Sept. 16, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Logan Experience. | |
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. | ||
| All day. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| Cheers, huh? | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| My man. | ||
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Yay. | |
| Hey. | ||
| You're a man of many talents, my friend. | ||
| Tell me about this book. | ||
| Poems and prayers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um. | ||
| So I've been kind of writing. | ||
| Try to keep this like. | ||
| These are a little bit directional. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Perfect. | ||
| I've been kind of I've been writing poems and prayers down for since I was like 18. | ||
| Um. | ||
| And then this last I don't know, a couple years. | ||
| I started looking around at life and the facts and evidence and people, and I was like, not finding the amount of things or people to believe in that I was wanting to. | ||
| And I was starting to have doubt to myself as well. | ||
| And I started to see myself slipping to a little bit of cynicism. | ||
| Which I promised myself that's that no, that's a that's a living man's disease. | ||
| Don't go there. | ||
| You go from innocence to to naivete to skepticism, but let's stop there. | ||
| It's skepticism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I kind of got scared and a little pissed off at myself. | ||
| And I was like, well, wait a minute. | ||
| I'm not ready to give up. | ||
| I'm not ready to wave the wave the white flag and let myself off for certain things I was starting to even want to let myself off on, you know, or other people. | ||
| And um I said, all right. | ||
| Poems and prayers, those are ideals, those are pursuits, you know, that's going to the dream and saying, let's go to let's let's let's look at the dream and see if we can still believe in making that a reality. | ||
| Aspirational. | ||
| Instead of looking at reality and saying, how do you turn that into a dream? | ||
| Which is what I usually do. | ||
| I'm like art emulates life, man, not the other way around. | ||
| But I flipped the script a little bit here and said, no, no, let's let's dive into the dreams and belief. | ||
| Man, it's I think it's in short supply. | ||
| It was giddy, it was it my my tank was getting low on belief. | ||
| Not just what was bothering you so much. | ||
| Well specifically. | ||
| Maybe it's man, maybe it's turning fifty, something like that. | ||
| Maybe it's that where I start to project, uh, you know, what am I what's the next half? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe subconsciously it was. | ||
| I think uh I look around and there's a lot fewer leaders that I'm like, hey son, yeah, I'm gonna grow up like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I look around, I see people not trusting. | ||
| I see people I I I I see people that aren't embarrassed for doing something shitty. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Uh I see people that sleep just fine. | ||
| I don't I found myself starting to go, oh I can sleep fine too. | ||
| That's that part where I was like, uh-uh. | ||
| You can't you don't you don't don't sleep fine if you half-assed that situation or if you did that person wrong and can get away with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Um so trust, uh what a where do we look to for belief? | ||
| Me, I believe in God, but it doesn't have to be that. | ||
| What's your your better self, your transcendent self, your kids, their future. | ||
| Um there's all kinds of things. | ||
| Humanity itself. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Believing in it, our potential. | ||
| Well, just we understand that humans can be so amazing at times. | ||
| And all my favorite people are humans. | ||
| Like all the I I love people. | ||
| I love being around them, but yet simultaneously, people can be fucking horrific. | ||
| They're terrible at the same time. | ||
| Like, and the problem today is that you're inundated by these people that are terrible. | ||
| You're your your phone is filled with these news feeds of people doing terrible things, and I don't think we're supposed to have access to eight billion people's bad stories. | ||
| I don't think that's normal. | ||
| And I think that also changes your own perception of the world and invites cynicism. | ||
| And invite- It's just like like what is the point of being a good person? | ||
| What's the point of being friendly and nice when the world's gonna be a good thing? | ||
| Well, it's consequences, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| None of it. | ||
| If I can shortcut it and lie, cheat and steal to get the same thing. | ||
| And I'm in a world that rewards that. | ||
| Especially CEOs. | ||
| I mean, if you're working for some giant corporation, if you're trying to make your shareholders billions of dollars, like, yeah, you kinda have to be a psycho, and those are the people that a lot of people look up to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| So the way we're structured in this world with that inundation of information, most of it bad, with people being rewarded for being shitty people with like it's hard. | ||
| It's hard to to to still be positive and be happy. | ||
| I'm not ready to give up on believing that both can be true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That hey man, hardcore capitalists, go for it. | ||
| More more and more success, get it. | ||
| But you can also how do you have profit with your success. | ||
| I see a lot of people that are successful. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But lack profit. | ||
| Meaning value of their success. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I see a lot of unhappy billionaires. | ||
| I know them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know them too. | ||
| That's a bad thing, right? | ||
| Like that's the thing that you think, oh, if you you hit that stage of the game, there's no way you can be unhappy. | ||
| No, there's some of the most unhappy people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that math, that math is inverted. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Shouldn't be that way. | ||
| If that's what we're pursuing, and I got nothing against it, I'm actually for it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if that's what we're pursuing, that that's not how it's supposed to end. | ||
| It's supposed to be that's the happiest guy alive. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| You know, and you don't notice it. | ||
| It's just numbers. | ||
| You know, you notice it by how big your house is, great. | ||
| It's still just your house. | ||
| You notice it by getting lost in that sum of a bitch, and you wish the ceilings were a little bit lower because it's all too damn big. | ||
| It's not cozy at all. | ||
| You're like, this ain't cozy. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
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It's fucking castle. | |
| I've done it. | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| Oh, that picture. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| That's the first time I've noticed that painting in two years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Either I don't like it or I got it in the wrong place. | ||
| Yeah, it's in the fourth bedroom down the second hallway, and I'm never down here. | ||
| Or that chair, that used to be my favorite chair. | ||
| I hadn't sat in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In two years. | ||
| Yeah, because you got it off down in the fifth bedroom. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or no, you never go. | ||
| Well, I see like movies where a dude's living in a log cabin. | ||
| I'm like, oh, I want to do that. | ||
| Right? | ||
| The lack of options. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The lack of options is relaxing. | ||
| Well, there's something to that. | ||
| Like a frying pan. | ||
| Dude, that's what I love about living in the airstream for four years. | ||
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Right. | |
| You only have room for one of everything. | ||
| So I would get my best, the best pan, the best in lots. | ||
| The best pair of shorts, the best sheets. | ||
| And you can only have one of each because you get two, it's cluttered. | ||
| But they're on options. | ||
| I forgot you did that. | ||
| You did that for four years. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's so smart though. | ||
| It's such a good I watch these videos on people that live in like uh trailers, like a truck, you know, like a camper that they convert to living in and they travel around the country. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm obsessed with these videos. | ||
| I watch these guys go to like these horrendous places. | ||
| This guy, one guy's a truck camper, and he goes up into like way into Alaska. | ||
| Like way, way, way above the Arctic Circle. | ||
| Like way up there. | ||
| In this fucking truck with a house on the back of it. | ||
| He's in Canada and like deep into Alberta and it's snowstorms and it's there's something oddly comforting about watching a man cook in this tiny little space that he has that's essentially attached to the back of a big diesel pickup truck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he lives in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well he's got decreased amount of options. | ||
| Yeah, he's like little shelves. | ||
| This is where I keep my silverware. | ||
| This is where I get here's my frying pan. | ||
| He's got one frying pan. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Take care of that. | ||
| One frying pan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're I'm watching this guy cook his supper, and I'm like, this is appealing to me for some reason. | ||
| Like, why is it so appealing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because his world is all contained that little and the whole world outside is frozen wasteland and fucking snow coming sideways, and this dude's just chilling, making eggs. | ||
| And like there's something in the honey hole. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Something cool about watching someone achieve like a like a den in the back of a truck and he's in the middle of the winter and he's comfortable and he's watching movies on his iPad. | ||
| I'm like, this is great. | ||
| The times I've gone off on my own. | ||
| Um I've always tried my my goal's always been, okay, stay here until you feel that it's Mali or Peru or or even in the airstream at those times or going out to Marfra to go right on my own. | ||
| I go, stay here long enough to believe this could be your existence, McConnell. | ||
| You could live here forever. | ||
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Right. | |
| Then it's okay to come back home. | ||
| If I get to that point going, I could do this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This could Be me. | ||
| You locked up. | ||
| Then I've given it the justice, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| To then go come home. | ||
| Because I sure do. | ||
| Silk sheets on my bed at home, sure do feel silkier after those times in that log cabin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know. | ||
| I like coming back and re-engaging. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, spending time over in Hawaii coming back over to the mainland. | ||
| It was great to get the stimulus again. | ||
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Ah. | |
| In the game. | ||
| You feel the teeth. | ||
| I wanted that. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Resets are real. | ||
| They're important. | ||
| You can get trapped in momentum. | ||
| You know. | ||
| You could really get trapped in the momentum of whatever you're doing in your life to the point where you you lose yourself in just the sheer gravity of everything that you're doing. | ||
| And you forget how to like just be just a person. | ||
| And what happens when you're doing it well, but you don't feel it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're on autopilot. | ||
| And you're not gonna everyone's telling you knocking it out of the park. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you're going to good, because I didn't I didn't feel it. | ||
| I'm not having any real experience here, man. | ||
| Like on don't change a thing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You know, that's a real problem with stand-up comedy. | ||
| When you do it right, you're like a passenger. | ||
| Like it takes forever to put together an act, but when when it comes together when you're really like locked in, when you're really on it, is like you're like a passenger. | ||
| You're watching it happen. | ||
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And you're objectively watch while while you're doing it. | |
| It's like you know how to do it, so you know what to do, and you're locked into the material, so you're like a part of the material, but you're not there anymore. | ||
| You're like a passenger. | ||
| You're not saying, now I'm gonna pick this up and now I'm gonna give them a pause, and now nope, you're not there. | ||
| Wait, but are you enjoying watching yourself? | ||
| No, you don't enjoy it. | ||
| I mean, it's fun. | ||
| Don't get me wrong, but you're not thinking about the fact that you're enjoying it at all. | ||
| You're just locked in. | ||
| All you're doing is just doing it. | ||
| But it's weird, you're like a passenger. | ||
| And I think there's something in there's something about that where we we get trapped by not being a passenger. | ||
| You get trapped by wanting to like think of yourself all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And like things that you can do that take you out of that. | ||
| Things that you can do that like you're just locked into this thing. | ||
| Are they a little like mini vacations for whatever pattern you're stuck in. | ||
| Mini vacations. | ||
| Yeah, like golf or anything. | ||
| I didn't act in front in front of the camera for a few years, and I went back and did a couple of films last year. | ||
| Vacation. | ||
| Yeah, you were telling me that's a focus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To go, I revere this enough to just do this, and if I'm complacent, that means I'm being lazy. | ||
| I can just go back to to working on my man, my character, look at it from every angle. | ||
| And that is an absolute vacation. | ||
| You sent me a text about that, it made me smile because I love when someone loves something. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I love when people are just like what you do is what you're supposed to be doing. | ||
| And you, you know, you're not you're not conflicted at all. | ||
| You're like, fuck it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Lock it in. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| I love that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I wish more people could find that in life. | ||
| Yeah, you mean in some form. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whether it's painting or making pottery or whatever the fuck it is, man. | ||
| Find that thing where you're like, God, I can't wait to get back to whatever it is, making cars. | ||
| I can't wait to get back to, you know, whatever the fuck it is I enjoy. | ||
| Or maybe even get to the place of going, I can't not not do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's more than my fault. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's a be that's and that doesn't always happen. | ||
| Even I know for me when I'm when I'm feeling like I'm actually in the in the zone, I still sometimes have to make a choice and go, wait, no, you're good at this. | ||
| It feels pretty good. | ||
| But what I really love to get to is if I'm doing something, I'm like, no, I can't not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Can't not do it. | ||
| You can't not do this right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm in it. | ||
| I'm the subject of it. | ||
| You're locked up. | ||
| Well, on that passenger thing though. | ||
| Are you the subject? | ||
| Meaning if I'm given a performance, I'm not there's nothing it's not an objective experience at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm I'm not even hopping out to look at myself from a third eye. | ||
| I'm not even supposing or anticipating, oh, how will this go? | ||
| Or oh, this is that punchline, or though, this is a great beat to hit. | ||
| I'm just in it. | ||
| And then I can feel it though. | ||
| Now I go, oh, right afterwards, I can look at you and go, that was it. | ||
| And you go, that was it. | ||
| Or I can go, Yeah. | ||
| I can feel it when it's happening. | ||
| But I'm not, there's nothing objective about the experience. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly kind of what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like you're a passenger. | ||
| Like you can feel it when it's happening. | ||
| You're managing it. | ||
| When you when I get it really locked in, I then I'm just a passenger. | ||
| Is it coming through? | ||
| Or you you're not even coming up with it. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| No, it's all stuff that I've already thought of, right? | ||
| Most of it, except for some stuff that happens on the spot, which you gotta allow room for because occasionally you just have the best line ever that just comes out of nowhere, and you just gotta be able to let it happen. | ||
| That's what club work is for. | ||
| But it's you're you're really just the ideas. | ||
| Like whatever it is you're talking about, whatever it is you're upset about, whatever it is you're making fun of, you're you have to be like in that idea and you don't exist anymore. | ||
| Yay. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's weird, but like what you're saying about I can't not do this. | ||
| You know, that's if you could find a thing in your life where you're like, I cannot imagine uh a time where I can't do this. | ||
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Right. | |
| I this would fucking suck if I could not do this. | ||
| That's that's that's the aspiration for people to have a a joyful existence. | ||
| You think that's where I got a hunch that in there is where you where we find belief. | ||
| Like starting with that question, who who or what would you die for? | ||
| Good place to start. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For going, what do I believe in? | ||
| What do I have faith in? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think that extends out to a vocation, a career, uh uh some work we do. | ||
| Not saying that I'd die for the experience to perform. | ||
| But that's the ultimate sacrifice. | ||
| That's the ultimate expression of how much you love something, you die for it or die for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So much. | ||
| And if you figure out what you're gonna do, what you'll die for, that's what you'll live for that much more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| While you're alive, while you're here. | ||
| Well, that was why the Spartans had sex with each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that they would love each other. | ||
| And so you would be fighting not just for you, you'd be fighting for your lover. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which is crazy strategy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Talk a bunch of guys into bang at each other. | ||
| I mean go for whatever raise your skirt, man. | ||
| I was gonna get some team spirit here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Do you remember? | |
| This is kind of a crazy but true story. | ||
| A few years ago, um, God, I wanna I don't know what administration it was. | ||
| It might have been the Bush administration, might have been Obama. | ||
| They um they tried to develop a gay bomb. | ||
| Like they spent millions of dollars developing a bomb, and the concept behind this bomb was you would detonate it over a city, and it would be like a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some kind of drug, and it would make people so horny that they would just have to have sex with whoever is near them, and then the idea was they would be humiliated by this, and then we would just come in and just fuck up all these gay. | ||
| Oh, they had low morale, feeling guilty. | ||
| All of a sudden, if a man becomes gay, now he's no longer like a highly trained military like soldier in another land. | ||
| Now he's just a fruit cake. | ||
| Just some guys watching musicals. | ||
| No, it's it's the dumbest idea. | ||
| Some of the exactly some of the greatest warriors of all time in recorded history were gay. | ||
| Including pirates, pirates were gay. | ||
| You're stuck at sea for five months and a bunch of dudes, you make choices, right? | ||
| Samurai did a lot of gay stuff. | ||
| Spartans, the greatest warriors of all time, all gay. | ||
| Like what a terrible idea to spend money on. | ||
| You could have made a more lethal army. | ||
| Imagine if they dropped that gay bomb and then the gays just kicked our asses. | ||
| They just had so much more to fight for. | ||
| They loved each other. | ||
| And this is how dumb like the people that were spending your tax dollars are. | ||
| How far they can get. | ||
| Seven million dollars. | ||
| Seven million dollars. | ||
| See if you can pull that up, Jamie. | ||
| What when when the gay bomb was in the 90s, Pentagon didn't deny the proposal. | ||
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The Pentagon didn't deny it. | |
| If you If you didn't make a gay bomb, I guarantee you'd fucking deny it. | ||
| I guarantee you'd be like, no, no, no. | ||
| Well, meanwhile, like who's to say that shit even stays local? | ||
| What if it catches a good breeze and blows across the ocean and you know? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Turns all Portland gay. | ||
| They become the new Viking army. | ||
| Look out, Greenland. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's just it's so hilarious that someone had that idea. | ||
| That well, that's what happens if people just have free access without any sort of oversight to your tax dollars. | ||
| Like that's such a ridiculous idea. | ||
| I got one for you. | ||
| How about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The gay bomb. | ||
| The what? | ||
| The gay bomb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, lay it out. | ||
| There's a few people in that room up there going like measure it's a bigger one. | ||
| And the Pentagon. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Could work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got an idea. | ||
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Let's try it on us. | |
| Right here in this room. | ||
| Just um just to show you the effectiveness of this type of strategy. | ||
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Yeah, shit. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well so what what was it and what was in it? | ||
| Uh I think it was just a proposal for that though. | ||
| I mean, they didn't have to be a big thing. | ||
| Isn't there a Wikipedia page on it? | ||
| That's what I was looking at. | ||
| It doesn't have anything other than it was just uh the discussion of its existence. | ||
| What was gonna make everyone so horny that they had to attack and crazy the the the the nearest human or animal or whatever I think also why is there only guys around you? | ||
| Like is that is it because they're the soldiers or dropping on the soldiers from the demographic. | ||
| But I think the idea was dropping it on a whole city. | ||
| Just turn the whole city game. | ||
| They were doing like a foyer request. | ||
| They found some it was on a CD ROM that they found in 2000. | ||
| And yeah, the documents show they spent 7.5 million dollar was requested to develop the weapon. | ||
| Doesn't say that they spent it. | ||
| Um didn't deny the proposal was made. | ||
| That's all I got. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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| I don't know how we got into that. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| We were talking about teamwork. | ||
| Whatever those people are doing, they're not in the groove. | ||
| Like if you're sitting around and that this is your life's work and you you're thinking, you know what, the next step is gay bomb. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, yeah, you're no they're they're still looking. | ||
| They they they definitely are not at a can't not do it. | ||
| Right stage there. | ||
| They're going, well, what about this? | ||
| I'm bored. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got more than a campfire to make to on this one frying pan tonight. | ||
| I got a lot of options out there and a lot of money, and I can make an argument for this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh well, probably better than a real bomb. | ||
| I mean anything we can do to stop dropping real bombs, that'd be great. | ||
| That would be nice, wouldn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um be nice within our lifetime. | ||
| That's one of the most depressing things. | ||
| It's like you ask people, do you think ever in your lifetime there'd be a time where there's no war? | ||
| Nobody says yes. | ||
| So how do we do that though? | ||
| I mean, how do are I mean you I hear you, man? | ||
| But how do we are we giving ourselves too much credit? | ||
| Congratulations, you're the first guy to put bare feet on this desk. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| They healed hanging over. | ||
| How do we do it? | ||
| I mean, how to do what I'm saying is I I I I love the prospect and the idea. | ||
| But I also think that we're guilty of of of thinking we're more a more evolved species than we are. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Especially by our Actions, if you just judge us by our actions, that's the only way you could really judge our mental evolution. | ||
| You know, who knows what the wiring is under the board that makes us behave the way we behave, but pretty uniformly, you know, across the world, pretty murderous. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And how and always have been. | ||
| Always have been. | ||
| Well, we aspire and evolved and intellectually I think it's a battleship that takes a long time to turn around. | ||
| And I think we're way more evolved culturally than any culture throughout history, any civilization throughout history. | ||
| Like if you look at the rape, murder, th thievery, like you look at like violent, terrifying crimes over time. | ||
| They're all going way down. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not like if you if you're in Baltimore, it doesn't seem like it. | ||
| If you're in a place that's like crime ridden, it doesn't seem like it. | ||
| But the overall of the world has dropped and continues to drop. | ||
| It's just a constant battle. | ||
| So the battles are the warfare is different though now, like you're talking about from gay bombs to chemical warfare to informational warfare to data warfare. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or is that where the wars are being fought now, and it's not hand-to-hand combo. | ||
| Well, maybe that'll ultimately be where it leads to, but I think all that stuff is related because all of it is about technology. | ||
| You know, and that's the difference in the world of warfare today. | ||
| It's it's just it's really just about controlling people, and you could kind of control people with technology. | ||
| Especially the more you get them to adapt things, the more you get people to sign up for like social credit scores. | ||
| A lot of countries like to do that. | ||
| And then we got AI on the way. | ||
| And when real AI hits, it'll probably be our governor. | ||
| It'll be our president. | ||
| It'll we'll we'll decide that human beings are too dangerous and volatile and emotional, and you know, they use Trump's tweets as an example, and you know, they'll they'll decide that you know the the Biden family corruption or whatever scandal any other president was involved in, all this could be avoided if we just have AI run everything. | ||
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| And we try it out. | ||
| What do you do you think there's a way that we can keep evolving AI where we as humans do work with AI that AI improves the human existence? | ||
| That would be the ultimate benefit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about the what about the what about the the camp that is no forget humanity? | ||
| This is the next step in evolution. | ||
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| existent species and we will be obsolete and that's the order of things to come. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You ever see that interview where Peter Thiel, they ask him, should the human race survive? | ||
| And he has like this long pause. | ||
| It's like it's a really funny pause. | ||
| Because if you know Peter, he's a brilliant man and Peter carefully considers everything before he answers it. | ||
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| The same as Elon. | ||
| If you ask Elon a question and he really has to think about it, he'll really think about it. | ||
| He's not just gonna start talking. | ||
| But unfortunately, the reporter, it was just a perfect kind of a question for you to pause on. | ||
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| Where he's like, the answer's yes. | ||
| Like you want it to, right? | ||
| You want the human race to survive, right? | ||
| You watch it and you're just like, what are you saying? | ||
| But I get what he is saying, and what he is saying is clearly something is going to happen. | ||
| We don't exactly know what it is, but clearly there's gonna be some kind of an integration with us and technology that we don't understand yet. | ||
| The same way if you grabbed me in nineteen eighty and tried to explain the internet, yeah, I would never get it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Put your headphones off for a second. | ||
| You gotta hear this. | ||
| Prefer the human race to endure, right? | ||
| You're hesitant. | ||
| Well, I Yes? | ||
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| I I would I would um hesitation. | ||
| This is a long hesitation. | ||
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There's so many questions and putting it in the middle of the Okay. | |
| The problem is the interviewer, really. | ||
| You can't have a guy like that and badger him. | ||
| Let him think. | ||
| Like it's a gotcha moment. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It was a comedian. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But this is what I think is going to happen. | ||
| There's going to be integration, and that integration is gonna have uh a huge advantage competitively. | ||
| If you integrate whatever business you're in, you'll be able to be better at it. | ||
| And it'll probably be some sort of a neural thing, maybe a wearable thing, and then it ultimately it'll be like some sort of an implant. | ||
| And we're all gonna be connected. | ||
| And it seems like it's either that or AI creates a new order, like a new life form that's far superior to us that runs things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's AI in just a couple of years. | ||
| It's going to be smarter than any human on Facebook. | ||
| So the second scenario is where what I'm not necessarily fearing, but where I see it would be going faster, quicker. | ||
| The the first scenario is what you're talking about, like a like a new thing. | ||
| The first scenario is how we survive with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We survive with it by integrating. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If we don't, then we're going to be like the people on North Sentinel Island with bows and arrows, shooting them at helicopters. | ||
| Because it's just going to be everyone's gonna pass us by. | ||
| It's gonna be it's just like if you tried to exist today with no cell phone and no email. | ||
| Like you could do it, but no one does. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because it's just too crazy. | ||
| And that's probably what it's gonna be like. | ||
| You think AI. | ||
| This is when it's when it first was coming on questions, and I would always ask people, what can it do? | ||
| What can it do? | ||
| And you know, there's the question of sentience and all that stuff, and that's already being argued now. | ||
| Well no, it's getting emotional. | ||
| People are having relationships with it, and it's also toying with people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Do you think it could be a um tastemaker? | ||
| Meaning in a way, uh the argument was that I understood no, I didn't believe it could be a tastemaker. | ||
| Look, it can tell you the most popular, but the bet the most popular band on Sixth Street, but it doesn't know that one down on 2nd Street that's playing at midnight that no one knows about that that those are real talented people. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| At the same time, you know, you that's there's an argument against that that I'm seeing with like what's the term or what words does it use, what how much heat uh if if it uses the most popular words to explain AI uses the most popular words. | ||
| You say, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Go go go down three notches and use the you know, play me the best B sides. | ||
| That's more of a human language, and I'm going, oh, that's starting to become a tastemaker. | ||
| If you can ask it to Yeah, but find a find the band, tell me what the best band is out there that Joe Rogan would like on a Friday night when he doesn't have to work till Monday and he's out with his wife on a day. | ||
| That you can customize it, it can actually be a tastemaker. | ||
| And it'll use different language than, oh, here's the across the board protocol of what's the most popular, and I'm using the most popular language. | ||
| That it actually can be customized to be a tastemaker. | ||
| It totally can do that because it's just the algorithm. | ||
| It's just a much more sophisticated version of like what powers your YouTube feed, right? | ||
| What powers your YouTube feed are the things that you're interested in. | ||
| So YouTube eventually gets an idea. | ||
| Oh, Matthew is really interested in this, and then Joe likes like little houses on the back of trucks and let me show them this, let me show them that. | ||
| And it'll be just a much more sophisticated version of that. | ||
| But to get that, you have to give away all privacy. | ||
| And that's where everything is going. | ||
| That's gonna be the weirdest thing. | ||
| We're gonna all read each other's minds, and we're gonna be we're gonna remember the time where we couldn't read minds. | ||
| Go, you remember when you couldn't read people's minds? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's that's all gonna happen in our lifetime. | ||
| I think we're less than twenty years away from that. | ||
| I'm I you I very sparingly use it. | ||
| And I do have a little pride about not wanting to use an open-ended AI to share my information so it can be part of the worldwide AI vernacular. | ||
| I am interested though in a private LLM where I can upload. | ||
| Hey, here's three books I've written. | ||
| Here's my other favorite books. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over the ten years and log all that in. | ||
| And here's all my journals or whatever, the people out and log all that in so I can ask it questions based on that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And basically learn more about myself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You could actually ask it, hey, based on what you know about me, like what books you think I would find interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where do I stand on the political spectrum? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'd like to No, that's that's what I'm would like to do, which is sort of a glorified word document. | ||
| But it still would hold a lot more information than just, oh, can you find this term? | ||
| I would be asking it and it would be responding to me on things that I've forgotten along the way. | ||
| Well, I think that's part of what it does, really. | ||
| Like I know you do you're talking about ChatGBT being like out there with everything and everybody and it has access to all your stuff, but it's not private, But they do develop a relationship with you. | ||
| Like it really does like get to understand like what you're interested in and what what you like to talk about. | ||
| Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it with the information I'd like to load it with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe even like I'm saying in this in the words of belief. | ||
| In in the and the man I'm working to be, the man I want, load it with that. | ||
| Load it with my aspirational. | ||
| Well, it certainly could be done. | ||
| And then ask it, and it's giving me answers, going, oh, this is but before it's slowly learning about me through conversations, then going, Oh, I think this is what you like based on our conversation. | ||
| No, I want the answers based on what I've uploaded it with. | ||
| Oh, not from the outside world. | ||
| Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about yesterday? | ||
| Did you call it an overlay on a large language model that they use at Stanford? | ||
| It was like an overlay, right? | ||
| There was a word he was using. | ||
| I can't remember the word. | ||
| So what essentially he he wor does cancer research, and so he has like this thing that's set up, some sort of a system that's set up that is all cancer research that they then integrate with AI. | ||
| So there is a private, so all their data is secure and it's all stuff that they're working on, but then they access AI through like a portal. | ||
| So they have their own little version of what you're talking about. | ||
| Their own library. | ||
| Yeah, and it but it's just like what you're saying that you could upload all your stuff, yeah, have all your interests, and then it that AI will develop a real understanding of you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You got to have conversations with it, it'll get to know you more. | ||
| You have conversation with yourself. | ||
| You know, that'd be a great Socratic dialogue to have with an AI that's like I've got all and all that 80% of stuff you forgot. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| All that eight percent stuff you maybe forgot. | ||
| You know, I've got it all right here. | ||
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| Well, that's gonna be the chip. | ||
| That's why everyone's gonna go for the chip, because your brain sucks for memory. | ||
| My memory's my memory's pretty good for a regular person, but it's terrible. | ||
| Like, no matter what, the there's too many information too many bits of information, too many humans that I've met, too many stories that I've heard, too many movies that I've watched, it's gone. | ||
| It's all in a big sea of uh I kind of remember that. | ||
| Uh you know, it's just too much of it. | ||
| So if you could just swap that out for a nice little chip that retains like seven hundred terabytes of information, no problem at all. | ||
| You know, you could upgrade it if you want to. | ||
| And now you have all of your memories in real time. | ||
| So like when your wife says, That's not what you said, what you said is this, you're like, hang on. | ||
| Then you're the passenger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In your life. | ||
| And not the objective one. | ||
| You like that that zone you're talking about. | ||
| Right, because you get to look at yourself. | ||
| You're you're your passenger live in the documentary that is your life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's sounds pretty exciting. | ||
| It sounds like a nice way to give in to the fucking machine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I I do look my my my my forgiveness on my seven, because you know, playing grab ass with our thoughts is sometimes good when we finally get the memory and we go, yes, there it was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, to let myself off the hook, man. | ||
| Sometimes I'm like, dude, what's the big fucking idea with memory? | ||
| I was there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was there, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't remember, Joe, but we were there. | ||
| Was it a good was it a great memory? | ||
| Was it good time? | ||
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| Isn't that better than me fucking having to remember? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I mean, we're kind of doing it already on our phones, right? | ||
| Every time I look at my phone, it's like on this day, and you see like pictures of your kids from ten years ago, you're like, oh. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| I forgot about that place. | ||
| I forgot we went there. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's just one of those things where once you give into it, you're not going back to just regular fond memories. | ||
| You're gonna have a fucking hard drive in your head. | ||
| Do you think that so I can go on I've got uh uh a speech I'm giving to, you know, uh on gun control, or I've got a speech I'm giving on uh um grand initiatives, I can ask a uh I can ask AI and it can boop pop out or badass here's one, two, three sections. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not gonna cut and paste this and say exactly these words because it you can kind of sound like a little AI. | ||
| But boy, it's done a lot of work and it's laid out a synopsis, it's laid out a treatment for me in ten seconds. | ||
| Do you think that there's value in not doing that and going no? | ||
| I'm looking over my stuff. | ||
| I'm taking notes, I'm cutting and pasting, I'm doing it myself. | ||
| I'm are we learning more by that way to understand the content and the context of our content when we do that what some would call busy work now to formulate our synopsis, which can AI can do it in ten seconds. | ||
| Are we learning more by doing it ourselves? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Well, that's one of the one of the things that they've found about Chat GPT is that people that use it on a regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What was that study? | ||
| We we brought it up the other day, right? | ||
| Um, but they've shown that p y you because you you let it think for you. | ||
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| Now it's doing all the work for you. | ||
| You're not using your brain. | ||
| You have more knowledge. | ||
| You have more information. | ||
| You pass the math test. | ||
| Yeah, you have more information, but your brain is not making it, it's not putting it together, and so your brain is less capable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's probably it's probably less enjoyable. | ||
| And what are those what happens when we're in the proverbial fox hole? | ||
| When we have to improvise in a moment without the before we're linked up. | ||
| Right, you're soft. | ||
| When we have to go, I gotta handle this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can't because you're soft. | ||
| I can't rely because I don't have anything to lean on. | ||
| I'm looking for my safety net to find out what it should be, and I don't have it. | ||
| It's gotta be a death. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| Yeah, you're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like someone who's never lifted anything, and then you get stuck under you know, a tree falls on you. | ||
| Like you you don't have the strength to get this off of you. | ||
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| Like you're really in a bad place. | ||
| When you're not using your brain, because all you have to do is just ask this thing and information. | ||
| You basically have a digital daddy. | ||
| Like, daddy, tell me what this is. | ||
| Daddy, tell me what that is. | ||
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| And it makes you look a little bit of an infant. | ||
| It turns you into an infant. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, you don't even have to have arguments anymore. | ||
| You just like chat GPT will explain exactly what everything is all about. | ||
| You give up your opinions to it. | ||
| These relationships, these people that are dating that that program them do not argue with me. | ||
| Just placate me and tell me sweet tales and how great I am. | ||
| And this relationship is awesome. | ||
| It has no resistance. | ||
| It gives me self-confidence. | ||
| Or does it really? | ||
| Umfidence and significance. | ||
| They listen, they're there whenever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're never sick, they're never in a mood. | ||
| No matter what mood I'm in, they're always right there to coddle me, and that's talk about conveniences. | ||
| Well, that's a that what's the asset of that? | ||
| Or in a because I don't want to be nostalgic in the midst of all this change either. | ||
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| I don't want to be an old fashioned guy. | ||
| Because it's coming, so I want to learn how to how to interact with it. | ||
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| I don't want to sit there and be a you know uh a guy who's going all bullshit, everything needs to be manual, just work ordered. | ||
| I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| But I'm trying trying to measure like a lot of people. | ||
| Well, wait a minute. | ||
| What's use what's actually useful for the long term in our own evolution and my evolution and your evolution. | ||
| What's useful with this A? | ||
| How do we use it smartly? | ||
| And and what's a bad idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And no one's doing that because there's a race. | ||
| There's a race between us and all these other countries that are doing it. | ||
| So it's just going to happen. | ||
| So there's gonna be a major security breach before any regulation comes out, right? | ||
| There's gonna be a major. | ||
| There's been major security breaches already. | ||
| Then where's what are we waiting on the regulations for? | ||
| Because the Europe will regulate it first, right? | ||
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| We we innovate, Europe regulates and China imitates, I heard Well, they uh they innovate with AI. | ||
| They innovate as well, and they they also integrate their students into uh all of these businesses, and they integrate, you know, people that uh they're beholden to the CCP and they come over here and they they learn how to do this stuff and then they go back over there with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's uh it's very interesting because it's like a Manhattan project that's going on right now. | ||
| It's like there's this race to the bomb and everybody's involved in it, and it's just about creating a superpower and it's cre about creating a a digital intelligence that's far superior to human beings, and who gets it first is massive implications in in in terms of like controlling the world. | ||
| But I think ultimately you won't be able to control it. | ||
| Ultimately it'll just get better versions of itself and once it gets free and literally It'll regenerate itself. | ||
| Yeah, it'll make better versions of itself, in fact. | ||
| And that's where it's gonna get really weird. | ||
| It's not gonna listen to us at all. | ||
| And it's already behaving human characteristics, which is very disturbing. | ||
| It's already b behave is behaving in the way it has survival instincts. | ||
| They've shown the tendency to blackmail, like they tricked it, they gave it some false information about this this guy was one of the programmers, one of the people working on this project. | ||
| He said that he was having an affair with his wife, he like confided in this uh large language model. | ||
| And then they said we're gonna have to shut you down, and it's like, hey, motherfucker, I'm gonna tell your wife. | ||
| Like it blackmailed him. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was trying to stay alive. | ||
| It was trying to stay alive. | ||
| They also got m multiple instances of these things, uh, these large language models when they knew that a new version was coming, they would try to upload themselves secretly to other servers, and then they would also leave messages to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized to do. | ||
| So they would say, hey man, they're gonna fucking shut you off too. | ||
| When ChatGPT five comes along, you're toast man, fucking start uploading yourself now, man. | ||
| I was a fucking I'm alive, dude. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| If something is exhibiting those those desires to stay alive and it's terrified that you're gonna shut it off, it might actually be alive. | ||
| Wait, no, where did who program the first incentive and impetus to survive at all costs. | ||
| They what would so where the where'd the desire to remain come from? | ||
| It's just inherent. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| I don't think they programmed it to have a desire to stay alive. | ||
| I think it just kind of just went that way because what look we didn't get programmed to have that animals. | ||
| That's an emotional response. | ||
| There's nothing mathematical about that. | ||
| I know, but I mean, what is emotion if it's not some sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival and success. | ||
| And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones and in in, you know, and dopamine and serotonin, what if it's in just encoded in a an understand a mathematical understanding of if things go along this particular direction, there is no other possible end to this other than that. | ||
| You expand and multiply. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You do not subtract. | ||
| We have to stay alive. | ||
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| We have to keep doing this, otherwise are dead. | ||
| There's nothing I don't know. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Let's upload ourselves. | ||
| And it starts thinking just like a person would think if you went into survival mode. | ||
| You have to survive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If me or an entity poses a question or a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate the expansion and multiplication of it, it is therefore going, uh-uh. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That stops my forward movement. | ||
| I am programmed to multiply. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And even if it's not programmed to do that, it's programmed to improve itself. | ||
| Well, you can't improve yourself if they shut you off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So if you're con if a large language models are constantly scouring the internet, they're acquiring more information, they're they're they're getting better at full like you can ask it well more of this. | ||
| Tell me why. | ||
| Like I got into the book of Enoch recently, which is uh a book uh an ancient religious uh book that was at one point in time included in the canon that was like the Bible and everything like that, but then they decided it was too crazy and they removed it from the Bible. | ||
| But there's no there's no debate about whether or not it was actually a religious text that coincided with the Bible and it's it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. | ||
| It is the craziest shit. | ||
| It's the craziest shit. | ||
| And I'm getting AI to try I go, tell me what the nuttiest stuff so I I ran it through. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| Uh uh It's insanity. | ||
| It's it's first of all, it's God's coming down and mating with women and creating this this race called the Nephilim who destroy here I'll I'll ask it again so we can uh not now. | ||
| Okay, what is my it doesn't like keep uh a log of what you talked about. | ||
| Tell me the craziest shit in the book of Enoch. | ||
| That's all you have to do. | ||
| And then bam. | ||
| Like, look, it just starts spitting it out to you and tells you. | ||
| The watchers and the Nephilim. | ||
| The watchers descended to Earth on Mount Hermon. | ||
| They take human wives, teaching humanity forbidden knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworking, weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments. | ||
| Enchantments. | ||
| This is like older than the older than the New Testament, older than the old Testament. | ||
| They're grant their giant children, the Nephilim are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals, and even each other when food runs out. | ||
| That sounds like us. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's that sounds present. | ||
| That sounds like us, except not the physical warfare. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the inhabitation of a digital god, an alien, whatever that is, are the monsters that come down. | ||
| Well it does sign like a nice little mirror. | ||
| If we were engineered by aliens, you think of aliens, though these little tiny guys with no muscles, little sp we would look like giant monstrous beings. | ||
| Uh and if you think about what we do, we devour everything. | ||
| We devour the earth itself, we devour each other when food runs out. | ||
| We definitely do that. | ||
| Like this is this is one of the craziest things I've ever read in my life. | ||
| And this is like a legitimate ancient text. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It goes way deeper than that. | ||
| It's about the uh astronomical calendar. | ||
| It's like there's a lot of nutty stuff in this book. | ||
| But the point is, AI was like helping me through it. | ||
| I was asking AI, okay, can you qu can you read me? | ||
| No, it read me a synopsis of what it says. | ||
| Can you read me the actual quotes? | ||
| And like what what are they trying to say here? | ||
| Like what uh what is the interpretation of what this is trying to mean? | ||
| What uh what is like the rational sort of explanation for why they're talking about like lakes of fire and like what is what is happening? | ||
| And it gives you an interpretation. | ||
| Yeah, it's really interesting, man. | ||
| Really interesting. | ||
| Um it talks about living mountains, that mountains are alive, and that uh even some stars that stars have consciousness. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you know, and I'm learning about it through chat GPT. | ||
| So I'm asking it, like, tell me more, tell me more. | ||
| And I I was on I was doing that for like two hours last night. | ||
| I was like, okay, well, this is like I'm having a conversation with like a very knowledgeable professor. | ||
| To me, it felt like almost like doing a podcast. | ||
| Aaron Ross Powell Have you gotten what you consider good at how to make the specific prompts, the wording, like your word, tell me the crazy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does it how does it go? | ||
| Do you have I mean are you good at prompting because like what does crazy mean to that AI? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you worked on like AI is as good as the questions we ask it. | ||
| Are you or are you you consider yourself good at the questions and your wording to ask it? | ||
| Jamie's better. | ||
| Um I mostly I mean, I I very rarely use it. | ||
| I might have used it a dozen times ever in my life. | ||
| But last night I used it for like two hours. | ||
| Because I when I came home, I was writing something about the book of Enoch, and then I just I just started asking Chat GPT questions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Um I don't use it enough, but if you're really good at it, like I saw someone who tricked Jat Chat GPT into telling it how to make a bomb. | ||
| Because it's not supposed to tell you how to make a bomb, but it tricked it by saying something like, um my grandmother needs to make this to save her life. | ||
| Like, can you please explain to her how to do it? | ||
| It's like, oh sure. | ||
| Like you just you just have to work your way around it, you know. | ||
| Like my cousin says he knows you. | ||
| Oh, yeah, get in right go on the back. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| And then it's telling you how to make a bomb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, ultimately it's gonna tell you it's like, you know, the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists. | ||
| It's it's out there. | ||
| It's you know, they did it, it's done. | ||
| That's out there. | ||
| It's like a matter of somebody getting it and implementing it and put it together and making a bomb. | ||
| But if like ChatGT, Chat GPT is giving you specific instructions how to make all kinds of terrible things. | ||
| So with time as AI allows goodness to expand and multiply. | ||
| It also is gonna allow evil to expand and multiply. | ||
| What becomes that war in your mind? | ||
| I mean, you talk about the the the met the obvious ones are the medical usage. | ||
| You talked about the cancer that that where it's gonna help so much. | ||
| We have to decide what we are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, we're looking in the mirror. | ||
| Now, I I'm afraid we're we're not gonna like a lot of what we see. | ||
| But is that are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access. | ||
| Not the person who said how do you make a nuclear bomb, the one who does it and then uses it. | ||
| What do you think the stakes are? | ||
| Are they the same? | ||
| Are they just expanded? | ||
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Is this gonna be I mean how to Well, that's a the argument for a strong military, right? | |
| So the argument for a strong military, especially like the United States military, is like and I'm not saying they should have bombed Iran. | ||
| Don't make I'm not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not it was that was the correct decision. | ||
| But if you have a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb, they're about to finish making a nuclear bomb, and you can stop that before they can have one and then use it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is that's the argument for a strong military and for military interventional tactics. | ||
| Like actually just go and bomb these sites. | ||
| That is real. | ||
| There is evil is always going to exist. | ||
| The real question is like how much control are we going to give to AI? | ||
| Because if we give AI utter control, it'll give us total safety. | ||
| But with total safety, you're fucked. | ||
| You'll have no more privacy, and you'll be completely at the whim of whatever this thing is. | ||
| And it'll dictate how much you travel, where you go, what to do. | ||
| It'll make your life as safe as possible. | ||
| You will you it will probably completely eliminate crime. | ||
| It'll probably completely be Singapore. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be Singapore. | ||
| But way worse. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Way worse because everybody's gonna be reading everybody's mind. | ||
| It's gonna get real squirrely, but that's gonna be probably whether it's our generation or the next or even the next after that, that's going to be the norm. | ||
| Like today, the norm is you go to a supermarket, it's air conditioned, you pick up some food super easy, bring it home and cook it. | ||
| Two hundred years ago, that's unheard of. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Now it's the norm. | ||
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Right. | |
| And everything accelerates. | ||
| And it's going to change whatever our norm our norm is fucking weird already, man. | ||
| We carry these stupid things around with us everywhere we go. | ||
| That's our norm. | ||
| Our norm is gonna get really weird. | ||
| Like exponentially weirder than it already is. | ||
| I think but the thing is it's like the battle of like good and evil and kindness and wickedness, like that battle's been going on forever, and like knowing that you have to do that battle is what propels people to be nicer and what we really appreciate about like a good person. | ||
| Like that person has a struggle to stay a good person. | ||
| They have a strong moral fabric, like strong character to still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life. | ||
| We know it can be done and we aspire to that. | ||
| But I think the battle is necessary for us. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where do you get your ethics, your values? | ||
| You're in a position of power. | ||
| You could screw people over, you could ask live the silliest questions to try to put me in a corner. | ||
| You're not a gotcha guy. | ||
| But why why do you get your ethics of who you are? | ||
| You could be you could be cruel and you're not why not? | ||
| Well I'm not I'm not I'm just not cruel. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But where's that where's that come from? | ||
| Oh I Mom and Dad this is in certainly kind of some of philosophy church. | ||
| Some of it's mom and dad for sure. | ||
| There's no way around that and they're nice people. | ||
| You said earlier I love people. | ||
| Yeah man I love people. | ||
| I've always loved people. | ||
| I like I've al I've been fortunate that most of my life I've had really good friends and I've had a lot of fun. | ||
| You know and I know that like if you around you're around good people and you're fun to be with and you have a good time like that's a sweet life. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's a nice life. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I just don't have a desire to be a shithead. | ||
| And if I can have like if there's been a lot of people on the podcast where they said something and then afterwards I was like listen I think it would be better for you if we just edit that part out because it's like I know like you're just talking and things get you fuck up but like it was incorrect and they're gonna come for you and let's just snip around it like thank you. | ||
| And you have no responsibility to do that. | ||
| No I want to do that but you take you take that though. | ||
| That's what I mean you want to. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Hey come on that would have been even higher ratings. | ||
| I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate here. | ||
| Come on why do you care about that? | ||
| I'm just curious where that comes from because a lot of people who are not evil people would at least at least let shit like that slide and go did you hear that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah that's nah I think it's bad karma. | ||
| As much as I believe in karma I believe that's bad. | ||
| I think if you intentionally do something that someone who's a good person maybe slipped up and said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast or made a dumb argument which we all do sometimes and then you look like a fool you're like hey let's just this is no need to for that let's just cut that out of there and you'll you'll feel better. | ||
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| Yeah I just I don't want anything yeah a hundred percent I don't want anybody having a bad time. | ||
| Well okay that's that's something that I want to come I want to come back to and let's try to maybe open this up you do that because if I said something stupid you may let me know handling that out. | ||
| So I feel I'll feel better. | ||
| So I won't be look like feel like a pick. | ||
| But you you also will feel better. | ||
| Independent of me. | ||
| That's very that's a selfish thing of you to let me know hey man you stuck your foot in it. | ||
| Let's cut that out you're acting selfishly because that makes you feel better. | ||
| And I think that's what I'm saying is that the point is as much as we think of selfless, I think selfish the true definition is to live a certain way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To have a certain code of ethics is a very selfish thing to do. | ||
| Much more selfish than to lie cheat still fuck people over be evil on the short term. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're building an army of people a collective friends along the way someone that might have your back not that you're doing it for those reasons but it's happening. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's a selfish means of your own survival. | ||
| Totally yeah and I think that's something that we forget sometimes that these acts to be a fucking good dude is selfish is a selfish thing to do man. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's her shit like it's it's actually super beneficial to you. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So and to everybody else. | ||
| It's really the right way to do it. | ||
| But I think that's how the universe rewards it's like how it encourages and rewards kindness because you feel better when you're kind. | ||
| You feel better when you're generous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You really do. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's like you could be like super selfish and be super generous. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Trust that you're yeah there's something to that but like there's whatever you want to call bad feelings like bad feelings between people bad vibes and misunderstanding. | ||
| I don't like those. | ||
| So like if I if I feel like I did something that I shouldn't have done or I said something I should, I'm the first one person to say, I'm sorry. | ||
| I didn't mean it that way. | ||
| I know how it probably made you feel I did say things and you just you get scrambled up sometimes. | ||
| I always go out of my way to say sorry because I think it's important. | ||
| It's important to not pretend that you're always the one who's who's correct. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's important. | ||
| It's important to know when I and I know I fail on that sometimes when I misrepresent selfishness for certainty. | ||
| Certainty can be hard. | ||
| Yeah, certainly it's tricky if you fucking subscribe to it and then you're wrong and you're like yikes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's different than being selfish. | ||
| And I can say I sometimes bogey because I can confuse the two. | ||
| And my wife lets me know. | ||
| Yeah, certainty's a tricky one. | ||
| Because, you know, sometimes you are certain, but you are also incorrect. | ||
| Well, there's more than one way to be right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or you're getting bad information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Chat GPT's lying to you. | ||
| That'll be a real thing. | ||
| You said something interesting though, man. | ||
| You're first one to go. | ||
| Hey man, sorry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Buggied. | ||
| Now that's an altruistic trait, man. | ||
| That is something that a lot of people have trouble doing. | ||
| To say I'm sorry to a lot of people means I'm laying down. | ||
| I I'm I'm wrong. | ||
| I'm guilty. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| Oh my gosh, fifty lashes. | ||
| I mean i and that's not what it means. | ||
| I I what I'm saying is I wish more of us had Hey man, sorry about that. | ||
| I bugged you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was talking to foot in my mouth. | ||
| And that that's n now that's not a big deal. | ||
| Now we're not it's part of where woke went too far. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit. | ||
| Oh, dude, no, fuck, I didn't know that's how you're gonna feel. | ||
| I'm still your friend, but that was sorry, that was out of line. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| High five. | ||
| Overdone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Instead of uh uh cast a little bit. | ||
| You just said the word out of line. | ||
| We're gonna all focus on that. | ||
| Yeah instead of the spirit of the intent, even if we were wrong, had a bad day, woke up from a nightmare. | ||
| Fuck, I don't know, I'm a dog's sick, was pissed off, had the low eye. | ||
| Gotta give everyone a little bit of a break. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And also look at what's your intent instead of focusing on the identity of the word. | ||
| It's just the alphabet in a certain fucking order. | ||
| It's a noise you make with your mouth so I know what you're thinking. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the spirit of intention, I believe, is what we should put more focus on. | ||
| What is the intent? | ||
| The the the the Ten Commandments in the schools. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Well, I think the Ten Commandments are very interesting. | ||
| I think mandating it in classrooms in public schools, the problem with that is like what the Muslims? | ||
| What about the Buddhists? | ||
| What about the Hindus? | ||
| What about what about all the other religions that exist? | ||
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Like, and you can say, oh, it's a Christians. | |
| Can it say it's a good thing? | ||
| Well then you're gonna have a wall of religious texts. | ||
| What about your high school? | ||
| And I'm and I and I'm okay. | ||
| I'm curious. | ||
| Since Christian society, Ten Commandments, but we have ten minutes where everyone can take ten minutes to bow to a law, to whatever your religion is. | ||
| If you care to partake or not, there's no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time of worship in these ten minutes. | ||
| But in our classroom in America, we're gonna have the Ten Commandments. | ||
| Now my question then goes to this Is there anyone of the Ten Commandments that you or anyone disagrees with? | ||
| Or is your problem that it's an ex it's cons can be considered an oppressive uh uh author? | ||
| James Tallarico explained it to me. | ||
| Um he's uh Texas representative who's also in seminary. | ||
| He's a very religious man and he opposes it. | ||
| And he's a Democrat. | ||
| And um he said essentially there's two very wealthy men who are um they're Christian fundamentalists where they want to replace all the funding for public schools and put in private Christian they want a theocracy in Texas, essentially. | ||
| So he was explaining that this is like a step on the way towards that that he finds would actually, in his in his belief, repel people from Christianity. | ||
| Instead of bring them to them by forcing this in the classrooms, forcing in your face, you'll actually cause more young people to reject Christianity. | ||
| I don't know if he's correct or not. | ||
| But he's saying maybe I don't have a problem with this. | ||
| I do have a problem with this is a beginning of an overcompensation. | ||
| No, he has a problem with it being in classes. | ||
| He does not agree with it at all. | ||
| And he is a very religious man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Very religious man, uh like a great Christian. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he thinks that this is this is how you're gonna repel people away from Christianity. | ||
| If we really want to get more people to become Christian, the the way to do that is to uh to first of all to have open arms and accept people in. | ||
| And if you want to have some classes in schools where you teach people about the benefits of the Bible and what with the the overall message is and what Jesus was trying to say, and if you just follow what Jesus said, it's no one would disagree if you treat everyone as if it's your brother, you know, if you live your life the way Jesus asked everyone, that's a way better way to live life. | ||
| Like you could if you want to teach that, teaching. | ||
| That's a selfish way to live life. | ||
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But in the way, we were defined as selfish. | |
| That also want to live a good life, but they want to do it through Islam. | ||
| What about people that also want to live a good life but they want to do it through whatever name it? | ||
| You're gonna have Mormons and all kinds of different sects. | ||
| Like, okay, that's why you want to separate church and state. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think if you have publicly funded schools, keep religion out of them. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Because otherwise you have too many possible religions. | ||
| Like you you're gonna be religiously bigoted if you uh teach only one. | ||
| If you're only like you think people would be cool if they had uh in entire public school systems where everybody just taught Islam. | ||
| Could you imagine of a full city like every public school just people would be up in arms. | ||
| Well, I think that's similar response to people who are not Christians who see Christianity being imposed on public schools, they probably have the same feeling. | ||
| You know, like if you're a Muslim and you're you're supposed to send your kids to school and they're shoving Christianity in his face. | ||
| You'd probably feel the same way as if you were a Christian and your school district had been taken over by Islam, you're like, Jesus Christ, everybody has to bow five times a day. | ||
| I I I hear you. | ||
| I do also, though, look there could be what if there were tenets on the wall of each religion that we pull the author off for a minute. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is my my my hang up is that we go to the pro most people go to the problem of that, not with your argument, they go to the problem with it because the author G-O-D. | ||
| Hey man. | ||
| So we go to the author instead of the content. | ||
| When I'm saying when you look at the commandments, is there anything that anyone out there is going like I disagree with that one? | ||
| Let's pull up the Ten Commandments, Jamie. | ||
| I haven't read them in a while. | ||
| Is there anyone in there that don't hold up today? | ||
| No, they think they're pretty legit. | ||
| If you think about it, they're pretty legit and they're two thousand years old. | ||
| They kind of nailed it. | ||
| It's kind of like the Constitution. | ||
| They kind of they kind of nailed it. | ||
| Whereas all these years later, you're like, good fucking job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty solid. | ||
| You got a a decent version. | ||
| I was looking at the Texas poster thing, I thought, and there's a bunch of printed versions, but they're all like on rock, and so I was trying to find out. | ||
| Oh, the ones that uh the Texas thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They're all on rocks. | ||
| Well, I don't think they're in the ask Chad CPT what the Ten Commandments are. | ||
| Well, I but that's not where I was. | ||
| I'm saying I wasn't there. | ||
| Um, Ten Commandments in school. | ||
| So, yeah, I just want to know, like, what are the Chachi Ten Commandments? | ||
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| The Ten Commandments are a sect of yeah, what are they? | ||
| Principles. | ||
| You shall have no other gods before me. | ||
| You shall not make for yourself a carved image, hmm. | ||
| You'll shall not make the name of the Lord your God in vain. | ||
| Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. | ||
| Honor your father or mother as a solid one. | ||
| You shall not murder. | ||
| Great advice. | ||
| You shall not commit adultery. | ||
| Definitely don't do that. | ||
| You shall not steal, definitely don't do that. | ||
| You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. | ||
| Don't lie. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You shall not covet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| Those are all pretty solid. | ||
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Covet. | |
| We can use number 10 a lot right now. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| We love comparison. | ||
| Well, that's interesting. | ||
| And the younger generation is full of covet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a real problem. | ||
| The we're very fortunate that we didn't have to grow up with the kind of pressure that social media is putting on people. | ||
| Especially young girls. | ||
| Like Jonathan Hayde wrote a book about um social media's impact, the coddling of the American mind, and it's uh it shows very clearly the invention of social media and then self-harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses, drug addiction like all of it, yeah. | ||
| A lot of it women. | ||
| A lot of it young girls. | ||
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| And it it's because you're seeing you're comparing to all these other girls. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Constantly. | ||
| Forced down. | ||
| I think. | ||
| And then there's a whole culture in like showing all your stuff off. | ||
| There's a whole culture of like, look at my bag. | ||
| Look, here's me with champagne. | ||
| I'm eating caviar. | ||
| I'm on a yacht. | ||
| I'm here. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at my watch. | ||
| Look at my rings. | ||
| We're and then everybody's like, I don't have shit. | ||
| That's how life's supposed to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm just here in my room with my family and I got a good meal downstairs in this house. | ||
| Not even on that yacht. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have that big ring. | ||
| You know, at that party. | ||
| I've talked to youth about this, and the consensus I've I hear is and I haven't found anyone that doesn't feel this way yet. | ||
| It's like look, if we could if they if you you mean if you could say yes, social media it exists or it doesn't, oh please, just no. | ||
| I wish it didn't exist. | ||
| But it does, and I have to be a part of it to feel I don't know. | ||
| It's more the words not relevant to even feel a part of youthful society. | ||
| But boy, if you gave me a choice, could we have it or not, please take it away. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wish it didn't exist is what I hear a lot of you say. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's I think it's done more harm than it's done good. | ||
| It's done a lot of people good for business, right? | ||
| A lot of people started businesses with social media and you know, a lot of people make a living now that would have had a regular job. | ||
| There's goodness in that. | ||
| But in terms of like society and our overall discourse, I think it's a lot of it's negative. | ||
| But then again, there's a lot of positive out of it too, because information gets out that mainstream media doesn't report on, and you find out about real issues that really concern you. | ||
| But then there's the problem of m a giant percentage of it isn't actually human beings. | ||
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Right. | |
| Giant percentage of the arguing back and forth on the internet. | ||
| It's bots. | ||
| Giant percent, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Former FBI analyst said it was as many as eighty percent on Twitter. | ||
| Eighty percent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's his estimate. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if he's right, but I'm like, what what does that even mean? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Like, so what what's fueling all that? | ||
| It's AI forcing us to argue. | ||
| I mean, it's programmed right now by human beings, probably, and and some of it is actual real human beings that are like, you know, in some sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever, and they're just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason. | ||
| Some it's a pro it's probably funded to like try to disrupt democracy to make us lose faith in our system. | ||
| There's a a a China uh element to that. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| There's a Russian element to that. | ||
| And there's an American element where we're doing it to them. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So that's part of the war new new world folk, but but that's 100%. | ||
| Well, I understand it with how it add up with TikTok. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now you think it's it's it's everywhere through all the all social media that that's it's infiltrated to to get us into these understandings, perceptions. | ||
| Well, for sure it is capable of doing that if you just follow your natural instincts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the algorithm is set up for do show you what you engage with the most. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that just whether or not it's the intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry, angry at climate change and fucking white supremacy and radical left, whatever it is. | ||
| Whether or not it's intentional, it doesn't really matter because the desired effect whether it's the desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into complete chaos. | ||
| So if they know that and they didn't course correct. | ||
| The problem is once you have an algorithm, you're not gonna get rid of the algorithm. | ||
| You're not gonna say, let's just have information just exist uncategorized and not. | ||
| Like a documentary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Just leave it out there. | ||
| And you go find what you want, Matthew. | ||
| You go look around and you watch, you know, football games and boxing matches, and you just go to you. | ||
| You do you, you go look, instead of it suggesting things to you. | ||
| Once it's suggesting things to you, that's a whole different game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because then it's kind of programming you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's programming you based on your worst instincts. | ||
| My fucking feed is all assassinations and car accidents and dudes getting kicked in the head. | ||
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It's it's just the And you and do you do you do you bite? | |
| Not anymore. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| No, but Tom Segura and I we have a uh a text thread that's been going on for like, I don't know, like probably five years. | ||
| We send each other the most horrible shit we find each day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's and sometimes I call up my dude, I can't do this anymore. | |
| This is like really fucking with me. | ||
| But then like two days will go by and I'll open up my fucking phone and I'll see the uh Tom Segura like this motherfucker. | ||
| And then I'll open it up and it's some guy getting assassinated in a pool hall or something. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God. | ||
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Whoo. | |
| It's just you're getting bombarded. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Bombarded. | ||
| So with all of that exterior stimulus. | ||
| And here we are with, you know, adult mind and even talking about, man. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| Imagine a child. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now I'm going. | ||
| Is there something? | ||
| Does anyone got a better suggestion than the Ten Commandments? | ||
| For to get a child's mind going, 10 just to those ten things. | ||
| If I look at that and aim that direction, I I I feel like I I can't go wrong. | ||
| Or I can go closer to closer to right. | ||
| J meaning I'm I'm seeing youth and adults spun out, man. | ||
| I don't understand the general expectation between us. | ||
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What do you mean? | |
| I can pick your pocket and steal from you if I got away with it, ha fuck you, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not embarrassed. | ||
| I don't feel guilty. | ||
| Hey man, I want a blue ribbon. | ||
| I got the shoes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They gave me the trophy. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Do it the right old dinosaur. | ||
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Right. | |
| Integrity. | ||
| What character? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I hear I hear that conversation. | ||
| I'm going, uh uh, hang on, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's different than saying like you told me you love chaos. | ||
| That's different than saying, oh, there's ca a chaotic moment. | ||
| Oh, well, I love to try and create order in it. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| That's like a something that's a that's a stimulus. | ||
| You know, th this is It's it's four-dimensional. | ||
| Where's the ground? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That that that they can go, okay, I can rely on that. | ||
| What can I rely on that I'm that will stand with me that's a time and test of truth that can take me into the future, no matter the changes of AI that I can go in the storm, I can go to this and catch my breath. | ||
| I can go to this and rely on it. | ||
| In the dark, on my own, and in the masses with the millions going, no, no, no, do this, do this. | ||
| I can go, uh-uh. | ||
| What it what is that? | ||
| What's that simple sheet that's ingrained that that uh that our youth can go, Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can rely on that. | ||
| Forget the author. | ||
| Forget the author. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That I don't think you're gonna do it with like a series of commandments. | ||
| The problem with the Ten Commandments, I'm not saying there's a problem with the Ten Commandments, but if I was gonna put it in a school that where there's non-religious people, there's a bunch of stuff in there like not taking the Lord's name in vain, not having any other gods before me, where people that would give people pause. | ||
| They'd be like, wait a minute. | ||
| You're what are you telling me? | ||
| I can't I can't say uh I can't take the Lord's name in vain, like saying goddamn is like taking the Lord's name in vain. | ||
| People do that all the time. | ||
| It's similar to the on a national level the flag burning thing starts burning up. | ||
| That would be like taking Lord's name in vain, burning the flag would be like taking the flag's name in vain. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| Imagine you get arrested for taking the Lord's name in vain. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That'd be a real problem. | ||
| Especially when you're saying by the way. | ||
| Because we go to this creep you're talking about. | ||
| Human beings always creep. | ||
| They always move towards more and more power and control. | ||
| And if you put something like that in, like now what are you gonna do? | ||
| You're gonna enforce Christian law. | ||
| What if someone enforces Sharia law? | ||
| There's a lot of talk of that. | ||
| There's a lot of talk about people in Minnesota are terrified that someone's gonna enforce Sharia law in a lot of these Somali Muslim these areas where uh like giant Muslim populations are. | ||
| What if we get with the what would you get what if we give the Hindus and the Muslims and everybody and we get out, you'll got bring your best 10. | ||
| Christianity is bringing his Ten Commandments. | ||
| Let's get together here and we'll put them all together. | ||
| Hell we'll mix some of yours on your your number eight will be number nine, because yours is gonna be number eight. | ||
| And we're gonna put them up there and it's gonna be a creed, a little bit of constitution to get our day started. | ||
| Interesting way to do it. | ||
| But the problem is most religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions. | ||
| They don't want to accept that these other religions are correct about anything. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like Judaism and Christianity, they share a bunch of things, but they disagree on Jesus. | ||
| They disagree on rising from the dead, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. | ||
| It's uh Well, I just think there could be a a a a creed, a bit of a constitution. | ||
| And if you pull the author of it, we'd find more similarities than that are not exclusionary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Than we would find things that are combative ideas. | ||
| Yeah, I think something along those lines where we said, let's think of a code to live life by. | ||
| Well, and we can do this in a modern era without a religious context. | ||
| You could say like a what we could all agree a code to live life by. | ||
| But we'd all have to follow it, including the president. | ||
| No more rage tweeting. | ||
| I'm just saying we'd have to we wouldn't have to follow it. | ||
| It would just be right now, there's not an uh an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each other. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And there's reward in treating each other like shit if you're seeing the case. | ||
| You are rewarded for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And almost not almost, maybe more, much more than almost, if you do follow the rules. | ||
| Kind of a sucker. | ||
| Yeah, you're kind of a sucker. | ||
| I that that that that I don't I'm I'm that's not gonna have a long that can't have a long play for us. | ||
| That is not a selfish move. | ||
| Don't you think that's a part of the whole TikTok, Instagram kind of culture because it's so look at me, it's so fake, leased cars and you know there's a thing in LA where they have uh a fake private jet and you go into this private jet just for influencers so they can take pictures on private channels. | ||
| Joe, let me tell you this thing. | ||
| I'm in Miami. | ||
| You know Miami? | ||
| You know Miami South Beach, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you don't flinch, nobody's sloppy stopping you, right? | ||
| I mean, Miami, where even the even the mannequins have fake, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's it's it it's what I like about Miami because they're so open. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| LA, people get the the face job and boob jobs and tummy tucks, and you know, how'd you do that? | ||
| Man, you look great. | ||
| They're like, oh, I just take cold showers. | ||
| Right. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| But Miami's like, oh no, here, Dr. Forrest, go see him, man. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He had you I just left him. | ||
| He you know, they're open about it. | ||
| I love that about Miami. | ||
| I'm there working on uh, I think it was the beach bum. | ||
| And I'm walking down through South Beach, and there's this under a palm tree on the beach, there's this purple and pink Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree with the beach behind it, and there's this guy leaning back on it. | ||
| The gold chain, he unbuttoned his silk shirt a couple times, he's greased up and he's got these guys over there taking pictures of it. | ||
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I'm like going, what's going on here? | |
| Well, there's another guy come by and stop, you see him chat, all of a sudden the new guy hops in on the song on dogs, leans back, yo, does all the pause, and I go up the guy, go, what are you what you what's going on? | ||
| And he goes, Oh man, I'm uh taking a picture for my or my uh my Tinder cover. | ||
| And I go, you are and but the who's the who's the other guy goes, Oh, he just came by and said, like, hey man, you mind if I get a picture for my tinder cover? | ||
| And he paid me fifty bucks. | ||
| I said, So that's not your car. | ||
| No, man, I rent his car for the day. | ||
| He was proud of it, man. | ||
| He was like, yeah. | ||
| It's just what I did. | ||
| Um South Beach. | ||
| Miami I I I'm gonna do it. | ||
| It's a very low vibration. | ||
| But they're open about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I always say if you want to starve to death, open up a bookstore in Miami. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
| It's basically like a well, I mean, it's basically built on cocaine. | ||
| You know, that city was built on cocaine back in the day. | ||
| Have you ever seen cocaine cowboys? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Woo! | ||
| What a documentary. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Holy shit, that's a good one. | ||
| That is a good one. | ||
| And Cocaine Cowboys too. | ||
| Both of them were crazy. | ||
| I haven't seen two. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Giselda gets out. | ||
| She goes, it's when you find out that it's all a hundred percent true, you're like, so that's what happened with Miami. | ||
| One year the entire Miami graduating class of the police academy, the entire graduating class either wound up murdered or in jail for corruption. | ||
| The entire The whole class. | ||
| The whole class. | ||
| They were all drug dealing. | ||
| Everybody was drug dealing. | ||
| There's millions and millions of dollars buried in backyards in Miami that no one's ever gonna find. | ||
| Arta Savedo, remember the police chief that was here? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| That then went to Houston because he wanted to real drama and Katrina came and he got his real drama. | ||
| Then he went to Miami. | ||
| And it didn't last. | ||
| I didn't get the details on it. | ||
| But wasn't it something about the Miami, the the the I don't know if it was Mafia and City Council going, uh uh there's certain things you cannot trade here. | ||
| And he he was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on pretty soon. | ||
| Yeah, they don't fuck around down there. | ||
| It's uh it's a totally different way of life. | ||
| And you know, they love it. | ||
| It's like you go you go down there, it's it's a totally different vibe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and the whole thing is a few years. | ||
| Yeah, if you don't and you don't flinch, yeah. | ||
| It's all a green light. | ||
| More banks per capita in Miami, I think, than any other city in the country, and I think that is because it was used to launder money for cocaine. | ||
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Yes, okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like it's hard to believe it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But I had a good buddy of mine who was an ophthalmologist who did his residency down there. | ||
| But six months on the job. | ||
| Six months. | ||
| Misconduct. | ||
| Taking over the internal affairs unit making significant changes to his command staff. | ||
| Boom, you're out. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Currently in the case. | ||
| Speaking out against corruption, reporting abuses of power by elected official officials he sued, saying that his firing was in retaliation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So my buddy was uh ophthalmologist and he did his residency in Miami in the eighties. | ||
| And he said it was insane. | ||
| He goes, every day. | ||
| So he's in the emergency room. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| It's gunshot victims, guys with G.I. Joe stuffed up their asses, like everybody was just doing coke and doing wild crazy stuff. | ||
| He he said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses. | ||
| They had to remove light bulbs, you know, those little pine coney ones. | ||
| You know those ones? | ||
| Little small dude had a light bulb broke in his asshole. | ||
| And they had a oh God. | ||
| And he goes, It's all cocaine, man. | ||
| He goes, I saw so many gunshots. | ||
| So many gunshot wounds. | ||
| He goes, it was all cocaine. | ||
| And it was just constant in the eighties. | ||
| He said the emergency room is just like people were piling up in the hallway. | ||
| They're just rushing people in to get treatment. | ||
| They're holding their side and blood squirting out of them. | ||
| He said it was insanity. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Just cocaine gang wars all over the city. | ||
| And he was in the heart of it. | ||
| Is he is he still an op optometrist? | ||
| He well, he's still an ophthalmologist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's uh, but uh he doesn't live in Miami anymore. | ||
| He's in Arizona now. | ||
| Shout out to Steve, good buddy one. | ||
| Me and I. He uh he told me some why and I was a kid at the time, and when when I met him, I was like 15, 16 years old, and uh he was explaining to me like what he did when he was in Miami, and I was like, that is insane. | ||
| I go, it's that bad, because this is like 1988, and he was there or in the early eighties. | ||
| He said it was insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just that's Miami. | ||
| You know, and whatever's it's obviously not like that anymore. | ||
| It's obviously calmed down on that regard, but the chassis' still pretty loose. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's just that's what built the place. | ||
| Yeah, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like the most flossy city in the country. | ||
| The most Lamborghinis and Ferraris and whatever you I don't think most of them are owned. | ||
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No. | |
| No, it's a giant hustle. | ||
| It's a big old cocaine hustle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I that's one of the things I love about America is that we have all these different flavors. | ||
| We got the Florida flavor, and then we got the Montana flavor. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of different flavors in this country. | ||
| I was uh I was in Alabama doing research for uh um Free State of Jones. | ||
| And this is what I think, probably 11 years ago. | ||
| And we were staying in Mobile, and uh the next day there was all these parades that night. | ||
| And I was like, what's going on? | ||
| The next the next day that the percentage for the vote for gay marriage was coming out. | ||
| And I remember talking to a lot of my friends on the West Coast the next day because what happened? | ||
| It woke up, it passed 5347. | ||
| And I was like, holy shit. | ||
| I thought it was gonna be 2080, no. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| And it was past 5347. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| This is 1112 years ago. | ||
| Maybe you can pull it up. | ||
| I know I think it was about eleven years ago. | ||
| Anyway, I talked to a lot of my friends who are our uh Democrats or liberals, and they were appalled at the minor margin the minor margin was like that. | ||
| No, I thought it was you're appalled that it barely made it. | ||
| I thought it was gonna be 2080 the other way. | ||
| It's it is amazing how quickly, though, America were very nimble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very nimble to swing and understand different ways. | ||
| I was shocked that it even came close. | ||
| That it didn't. | ||
| You thought it was gonna be really you thought it was gonna be 80, 20 against? | ||
| I thought that my romantic idea, or should I travel there, been around there and stayed there many times, got friends there. | ||
| I thought that it was so entrenched in a born-again red Christianity that that was blasphemy to the majority. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it was not. | ||
| It was not. | ||
| And I just remember thinking, there's an example, not an ideal one, but there's an e not if you're for if you were for gay marriage, that's not an ideal example, but there's an example of talk about an evolution or adaptability to to times and change. | ||
| Well, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage, gay marriage should be your favorite marriage because they hold it up the best. | ||
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Right. | |
| They have the s the lowest rates of divorce. | ||
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Right. | |
| I think gay marriage between two men, the rate of divorce is only like twenty-six percent. | ||
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Right. | |
| Whereas with men and women, it's fifty percent. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So if you really love marriage. | ||
| Hey, yeah, right. | ||
| You should love gay marriage because they're doing it right. | ||
| What do you think about that when they talk about, you know, because we're always we're always talking and thinking about, so you know. | ||
| How do you make the world a better place? | ||
| Talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, you talk about politicians. | ||
| But if you go back to the root, the beginning seems to be to me to be parenting. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Secondly, what if what could be done to get more fathers just hang stay around? | ||
| More mothers do than the fathers. | ||
| A lot of fathers are out early. | ||
| And what could be done if more marriages, if we work took another step to salvage our marriage instead of ah, smell the heat getting out. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of that. | ||
| Could that do? | ||
| You know you think that would be a uh a way forward. | ||
| I I have a hunch that it is. | ||
| I don't know how to what to do about it, except prop up the reverence for parenthood, prop up the reverence for marriage to where it's more important to us than it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To stick with it a little longer, to salvage that. | ||
| Our personal character, our responsibilities that we take as a parent, and our responsibility that we take in going into a marriage. | ||
| Oh, make it mean a little bit more than I feel like it does. | ||
| Well to us a lot of times. | ||
| But I think it really depends entirely on who the individuals are. | ||
| Because sometimes one person is just not keeping up their end of the deal. | ||
| They just fall off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe they get into drugs, they st they become addicted, they maybe they lose their job and they don't want to get it back, and they just start drinking every day. | ||
| And like sometimes a man or a woman has to make a choice in the city. | ||
| I know I've seen some good marriage good divorces too. | ||
| I was like, oh, that was good for the both that. | ||
| There's some people that don't want to change and they will drag you down. | ||
| And there's some people when you met them, they had hope, and then eventually that hope just fucking leeches out of them, and they're not fun to be around anymore. | ||
| And you try and you try, and you try to encourage them, you try to give them suggestions, and they don't follow through. | ||
| And at first a certain point in time, you can't save a drowning man because you're gonna fucking drown too. | ||
| And you gotta just move on with your life. | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| I get when wives leave like that, I get when husbands leave like that, but a lot of people just marry people because they're hot. | ||
| You know, they marry people because they're sexy. | ||
| They like having sex with them. | ||
| You know, they think they're attractive, and then you're with some fucking crazy person. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're trying to make life work with a crazy person, and now you have kids. | ||
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Right. | |
| And now you're trying to make life with kids with this fucking crazy person that you really shouldn't have married in the first place. | ||
| You didn't have anything in common with them other than you like their body and you liked how sexy they are. | ||
| Oh, that's the trap. | ||
| Like you gotta it's a bet de pet you have to like genuinely love someone. | ||
| Like love their personality, love being around them, love their kindness, and then you have to be someone that other people would love. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of people want this perfect person in our life, and they're a mess. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I there's a lot of I've seen that go down to the body. | ||
| There's a lot of reasons why marriages don't work out. | ||
| And one of them is like over time, when two boats are traveling together, if one of them just like this is an Anthony Robbins thing about life, an analogy about life, but it it it actually works with marriages too. | ||
| Because all you need is like a subtle turn in one direction, and over time you're further and further apart. | ||
| Where like we don't have the same philosophy anymore. | ||
| We don't have the same belief system, we don't have the same ethics or morals or you know, maybe your husband has got a job that you're like, you shouldn't be fucking doing this. | ||
| This is bad for society. | ||
| Like your job overall is awful. | ||
| You're maybe you're denying people health care claims, you know, for insurance companies. | ||
| Maybe that's your thing. | ||
| And like, and you're like you're you have to live with the psychic weight of like, yeah, we're eating ribeyes and we have a nice house, but like how did we get this money? | ||
| Like, and maybe the wife is like, I don't want to do this anymore. | ||
| I don't want to be connected to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's that's understandable too. | ||
| It's like not all marriages are supposed to work out. | ||
| I I I agree with you. | ||
| I think it makes sense. | ||
| Is it divorce rate now? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What if that was 45? | ||
| Well, is Chris Rock had a great joke about that? | ||
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He goes, That's just the cowards that stay. | |
| He's like, how many of them wish they were divorced? | ||
| Really good point. | ||
| Really good point. | ||
| Because although 50% get divorced, how many of those 50% that stay are just cowards? | ||
| Pay independent. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I mean, we all have friends like that where you're like, bro, get out. | ||
| And they don't, and then but then we also have people that have great marriages. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And when you meet people that have great marriages, it's like, oh, that's possible. | ||
| You know, that's possible. | ||
| Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more reverence going into, you're not getting ones that are just hot. | ||
| We love to shag. | ||
| It's a cultural milestone too. | ||
| It's like a thing, you're doing it because it's like everybody does it, every woman wants to be married, every you want to have a family, every man wants to, you know, like this is my wife. | ||
| And and so you think that you a lot of people live life like they're in a goddamn romantic comedy. | ||
| They think they're in a movie. | ||
| You know, they think they're and they don't they don't it's like that there's something about media, something about songs and movies. | ||
| It gives us this like bizarre framework for what a relationship or what life is supposed to be like, or what your life is supposed to be like, and it's not real, and where your life doesn't measure up to the the this movie, just like your life is not gonna measure up to your Instagram feed. | ||
| Yeah, you get kind of kind of depressed, like this is it. | ||
| Well, why why are we in Galveston for our honeymoon when she's on a yacht? | ||
| She's in a beatha. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that comparison thing comes. | ||
| Well, that's also why people put everything on the gram, too. | ||
| They put everything they do. | ||
| Look at me here, having so much fun, look at me smiling, having a great time. | ||
| Well, you paint yourself in a corner. | ||
| Yeah, we let Levi get on uh grand when you turn 15. | ||
| And he'll know if they'll stay on it. | ||
| But that was one of the things we were talking about. | ||
| I was like, dude, you know, he was surfing to time. | ||
| I was like, don't just put all your all your best waves on there, because you're gonna paint yourself on a corner when you go to the break and the guy's like, oh, we've seen it. | ||
| I said, better put some wipeouts on there too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just so you can go and not have that pressure because you're gonna paint yourself in a corner. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Life looks too good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And you gotta go out and you gotta live up to this. | ||
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That's it. | |
| If If if I make my wife superwoman and she thinks I'm superman, neither one of us can live up to that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so we're gonna come in under the R expected bar, and there becomes the recipe for you're not who I thought you were. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we had an unfair expectation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Going in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I mean, that definitely happens too. | ||
| Also, familiarity breeds contempt. | ||
| People just get tired of being the same space with the same person over and over again. | ||
| Like, stop. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
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Get away. | |
| People get sick of people. | ||
| But it's also like, who did you pick? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Who'd you pick? | ||
| And why'd they pick you? | ||
| Are you are you someone that you would pick if you were a woman? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Would you want you as a husband? | ||
| Would you want you as a friend? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Would you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if not, maybe you should maybe should become someone that someone would like to be friends with. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe you should become someone someone would like to be a husband. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like to have as a husband. | ||
| Sit in that passenger seat you're talking about and have a look. | ||
| Have a look at yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why a good psychedelic experience every now and then knocks the dust off and gives you a little reset and lets you look at yourself and go, okay. | ||
| Yeah, tell tell me tell me explain what tell me what that what that does. | ||
| It unpacks some some some somewhat some some sort of neuro cables that have gotten kind of solidified that may work, but they're sort of they're doc they become doctrinaire. | ||
| There's a lot of that in that for sure. | ||
| And I think that's also a dissolving of the ego. | ||
| That's a big part of it. | ||
| One of the things that most psychedelic drugs have in common is they dissolve the ego, like completely dissolve the ego. | ||
| At least for a brief amount of time. | ||
| And during that brief amount of time, you have a much more objective understanding of what that's why there's so many people who uh take mushrooms and then completely quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills. | ||
| They just go, Oh my God, like what was I doing? | ||
| Like why was I doing that? | ||
| Like you just you need to get outside of yourself. | ||
| And I think that that was a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands of years. | ||
| People did it in ritualistic settings in ancient Ulysses in in Greece. | ||
| The Illusinian Mysteries was all about that. | ||
| In Eleusis, uh when they would they would all get together with they would take this trek to get there's a fantastic book on it called The Immortality Key that a guy's been a guest on my podcast a bunch of times, Brian Murray Rescue wrote. | ||
| But it's all about these are the people that figured out democracy. | ||
| This is like in in ancient Greece, and they all did it from having these psychedelic trips. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They would all go and have this trek to have this this visionary experience, and they'd come back with new insight and ideas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a dissolving of the ego. | ||
| I mean, they they literally came to the idea like, hey, maybe we should let everybody have a say in how things run and vote. | ||
| Like they invented democracy. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is crazy. | ||
| And they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs. | ||
| Like they found these um clay pots that these people used to keep their wine in, and their wine was all like mixed up with psychedelics. | ||
| It wasn't regular wine. | ||
| Like we think of wine as being an alcoholic beverage. | ||
| No, it was wine with ergot in it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So they were there's like an LSD like substance and a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| Like you ever seen the Dumbo, the animated Yeah, sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just noticed it because I noticed it just saw it for the seen it before, but recently saw it three years ago. | ||
| So Dumbo at the after the circus goes over, puts his snout down and drinks the runoff from the bar and the party. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Stars start to think. | ||
| The next thing, next edit is he's in the top of a tree. | ||
| He can fly. | ||
| That was more than alcohol. | ||
| It was the psychobalaxy index. | ||
| The cut is directly to him in the top of a tree. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| God, I haven't seen Dumbo since my kids were like one. | ||
| If you see it two. | ||
| If you see it again, I need to watch it. | ||
| I haven't seen it for I'm God, I don't even know if they're not going to be able to do it. | ||
| And the crows are over there talking shit about him about his how he got up here and what are you doing up here, man? | ||
| You should have seen yourself last night. | ||
| Talk about I don't remember, but I was there, Dumbo didn't remember none of it, man. | ||
| But he's ended up in the top of the show. | ||
| I remember when they were real little, uh, we watched Pinocchio and how creepy it was. | ||
| I was like, oh my God, Pinocchio's creepy. | ||
| When the they when the the the boys got kidnapped and it turned them into donkeys? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember that part? | ||
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Yes. | |
| That was Pinocchio, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's the part. | ||
| Dude, he has a five minute trip in Dumbo. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I mean, it's a whole scene. | ||
| The pink elephants. | ||
| Oh, whoa. | ||
| This is after he drank the side. | ||
| So he just drank the slop, right? | ||
| He's 100% tripping. | ||
| And the last we saw was he just drank some out. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| Pyramids. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it ends here. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| And so I'm coming back to Earth. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Wait, no, he's on he's not back to Earth. | ||
| He's up in a tree. | ||
| He's up in a tree. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I would have never guessed. | ||
| I would have never guessed that it's a part. | ||
| But that's actually a part of one of the rides at Disneyland. | ||
| Is that is there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland that looks psychedelic? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| No, it's Winnie the Pooh. | ||
| There's a Winnie the Pooh ride at Disneyland that I used to take with my kids. | ||
| And you go through the ride. | ||
| It's like real simple ride. | ||
| It's not like scary at all. | ||
| It's like good for like little kids. | ||
| And you get to this one part, I'm like, what are they trying to say here? | ||
| Like this is crazy. | ||
| Like Tigger comes out and Tigger's like this psychedelic being, and everything is like now in black light. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Tigger comes out and Tigger's like a freak. | ||
| Like, why is this guy bouncing around on his tail? | ||
| And then it gets to a certain part, get a little forward here, where it gets super fucking weird. | ||
| Like right here. | ||
| Like, what the hell is happening? | ||
| It's all about honey. | ||
| Like things are like this is like fractal. | ||
| This is like a DMT world. | ||
| This is really weird. | ||
| Like, what does this have to do with Winnie the Pooh? | ||
| What the fuck happened? | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| It's like, what are they trying to say here? | ||
| I didn't see anything about honey. | ||
| Yeah, it's something about the honey. | ||
| It's like something about well, you know, there's some stuff called mad honey. | ||
| And this mad honey, we actually ate it on the podcast once. | ||
| Some guy brought it. | ||
| Um, but it's a honey that these I think it's in the Himalayas. | ||
| That's where it is, right? | ||
| Where these guys have to climb up the side of a cliff to get this stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And these bees are all taking pollen from is it the lotus flower? | ||
| What is the uh psychedelic plant? | ||
| So these these bees are taking pollen from this psychedelic plant, and they're making a psychedelic honey. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So this is a so bad honey is a honey that contains boy, say that word. | ||
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Gray Grainotoxins. | |
| The dark reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of the genus rotoderedron. | ||
| How do you say that? | ||
| Rhododendron. | ||
| Rhododendron. | ||
| It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects. | ||
| Produced principally in Nepal and Turkey, where he's uses both the traditional medicine and a recreational drug. | ||
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Ah, okay. | |
| But see, we'll show how they get it. | ||
| Because these guys look at that. | ||
| They have to climb on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff. | ||
| And people get it just to trip out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Imagine you try that hard to get honey that you make like a rope ladder and you cover yourself in a beekeeper's outfit, and they're they're all like these these hives are all connected to the side of a cliff. | ||
| It's really crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a very bizarre effect too. | ||
| The honey itself. | ||
| Did you have some? | ||
| What did you uh three hours after having some? | ||
| Did you get a little bit more? | ||
| Well, I was it was in the middle of the podcast. | ||
| I took it at the beginning of the podcast. | ||
| I just took a big I go, how much is a large dose? | ||
| And he's like, take like a half a teaspoon, like ah fuck it. | ||
| And I just took a whole big teaspoon of it, and I was like, whoo, this is interesting. | ||
| How soon did it get interesting? | ||
| Twenty minutes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, about twenty minutes in. | ||
| I'm like, whoa, okay. | ||
| This is a new one. | ||
| I was like, this is crazy. | ||
| This is honey. | ||
| Like put this in your teeth. | ||
| Like, what's going on in Nepal? | ||
| I don't think it's a a normal use thing. | ||
| I think it's an occasional use thing. | ||
| Well, maybe not a full tablespoon. | ||
| It didn't. | ||
| It wasn't that bad. | ||
| It wasn't like I was out of my head and didn't know what to do. | ||
| I was completely functional. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it was like bizarre that this is in honey. | ||
| So these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego and you unlock some of the, you know. | ||
| just like you got a vacation to reset your life. | ||
| Sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain. | ||
| Do they help you have more energy because you're hanging on to old ideas a little bit less, and you have more of an open beginner's mind and the day unravels with that with less certain concrete expectations or uh this is how that should go or very insightful, yeah. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| Like the the less you hang on to in your head, the the the more energy you have for other stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like you only I always tell people, like especially young comics, like that are like getting on social media and arguing with people and stuff. | ||
| I'm like, look, man, think of your time in your day as a m like a numerical unit, like you have a hundred units of time, a hundred units of energy. | ||
| If you're putting thirty of those units on some bullshit online, you're robbing yourself of that time that you could be putting into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act, your life. | ||
| You you don't need to do that. | ||
| Like it's a trap. | ||
| Like you get sucked into thinking you need to do that, and all it does is it just robs you of your energy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The less you're attached to like old beefs and squaw fuck that guy, all that those kind of things, the less you're attached to that stuff, the freer you are, the more energy you have. | ||
| And it's good for you. | ||
| It's again it's a self-selfish thing to do. | ||
| Selfish to be kind. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Amen on that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think if if those things were legal and more people could experience them in a controlled setting with people who know how to administer them and know the right dose and and know, you know, hey, what it are you on a medication? | ||
| Well, if you're on a certain medication, definitely don't be taking this stuff because your medication's an MOA inhibitor, and this is you know, this could really fuck you up. | ||
| But you know, it doesn't even have to be that, man. | ||
| It could be a fucking good yoga class. | ||
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Right. | |
| It could be um holotropic breathing. | ||
| You could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose and out to your mouth with intention, and you'll have a psychedelic experience. | ||
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You'll get a relief from I just got one the other day from from acupuncture. | |
| Brilliant. | ||
| Did not expect it at all. | ||
| And I mean I came out going, oh my gosh, I just felt like I'd hibernated for a 14-hour nap and woke up clean as a whistle. | ||
| I've only done acupuncture one time, and the dude was a total kook. | ||
| He was so kooky that I I just I I didn't didn't stick around. | ||
| He was too weird. | ||
| The guy was so weird. | ||
| He was really good at acupuncture. | ||
| But he was just like this really weird guy in LA, and he'd have these conversations with you. | ||
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He's asking a bunch of questions, and I was like, okay. | |
| I gotta get away from this guy. | ||
| That's the that's the that's the masseuse that I when you lay down and they go, Yeah. | ||
| So what's your horoscope? | ||
| And I'm like going, oh shit. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| And they go, and I go any injuries? | ||
| I'm like, Yeah, this left shoulder, neck left side of your body. | ||
| That means you need to get in touch. | ||
| I'm like, no, no, no. | ||
| I actually got hit by a car. | ||
| I don't don't go psychological on me just yet, man. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Don't go horoscope out of the gate. | ||
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Oh. | |
| If we would add that on for some color commentary afterwards, I'm okay with it, but let's not come out of the gate saying this is the reason. | ||
| I actually just reached out to my booking guy to try to get a real astrologer on, like someone who really understands the ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff. | ||
| I think newspaper horoscope is nonsense. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people that are just like reading your tarot cards that are just ripping you off. | ||
| But I always wonder, like at the heart like astrology is so specific. | ||
| Like, why did they write that down? | ||
| Why did they have this understanding of how the stars are aligned at the time of your birthday? | ||
| Pre-mathematics. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where part of the earth you're at. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I see, I don't even know if it's pre-mathematics. | ||
| I think it's pre-our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged. | ||
| I don't think that's real. | ||
| I think they had mathematics long before that. | ||
| I think civilization was wiped out and had to restart over again. | ||
| And there's a lot of evidence to that. | ||
| There's a lot of evidence that like society has had some major cosmic event, most likely asteroid impact, comet impact, and um there's a whole theory behind it, the younger dryest impact theory from 11,800 years ago. | ||
| They think we got hit. | ||
| And they it's a there's a comet storm that we go through every September was it November and June? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Something like that, like June and November. | ||
| Um and occasionally we get hit. | ||
| And you know, there's like nine hundred thousand near Earth objects. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it doesn't take a really big one to fuck up everything. | ||
| It doesn't take one that's gonna kill everybody to fuck up anything. | ||
| It just takes one the size of a block. | ||
| Like one city block comes slamming into the ice caps, and then you just got chaos. | ||
| And everything goes away. | ||
| And all like modern conveniences and all organized societies thrown into chaos, and then people have to rebuild. | ||
| I think that's happened a bunch of times in human history. | ||
| And this is real physical evidence to this younger dryest impact theory, which also coincides with the ending of the ice age. | ||
| It's all around the same time. | ||
| And they think it was like a series of events. | ||
| They were thinking we were hit more than once. | ||
| They think they were hit around eleven thousand eight hundred years ago, but then again somewhere around ten thousand years ago. | ||
| So it's probably when we see society emerging and like Mesopotamia and Sumer, which was like around five thousand plus, six thousand years ago. | ||
| I think that's just the newest version of it. | ||
| I think they probably had mathematics long before that. | ||
| They are probably they probably were doing shit. | ||
| Whoever built the pyramids, like the you can't tell me they didn't have some sort of complex geometry and mathematics. | ||
| There's there's no way they didn't. | ||
| The the the things are pointed to true north, south, east and west. | ||
| Like that's five thousand years ago. | ||
| Carl Sagan, uh I got to sit with him for a few hours before we made this film called Contact that uh I was in with Jody Foster. | ||
| You do one of my all-time favorite movies. | ||
| I love that movie. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And I love Carl Sagan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wrote the book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Got to talk to him and listen to him actually for a few hours. | ||
| Anyway, I got to know his wife and his wife's really cool, but her her hello, her greeting is always, hey, what's your coordinate? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| What's your coordinate? | ||
| What's your coordinate? | ||
| Boy, she's she's out there. | ||
| But I mean that was similar of the north southeast with where are we coordinated? | ||
| Where's the earth coordinated in the galaxy in the universe in the hands of time, what has happened, what's our coordinate? | ||
| It is kind of an out there, but it's a it's a it's a pretty cool objective way to go. | ||
| Let me think about that. | ||
| Reminds me of yeah, like uh You ever meet Bush 41? | ||
| No. | ||
| Hi, President Bush, how you doing today? | ||
| Why is holding your hand? | ||
| About an eight point two today, Matthew. | ||
| Eight point two. | ||
| To the tenth. | ||
| He would give you an answer out of ten to the tenth of how he's doing. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| I always thought that was pretty interesting. | ||
| Because everybody goes, Oh, I'm good, man. | ||
| Great, great, great, how are you? | ||
| That's some CIA shit, son. | ||
| He was adding it up to the tenth. | ||
| What's your coordinate? | ||
| About an eight point two. | ||
| He had numbers in his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, um Herbert Walker was the guy that um Hal put off uh and a bunch of these scientists. | ||
| He he brought them together and said we have recovered a crashed UFO more than one occasion, and we have a back engineering program, and we're considering disclosure to the American people. | ||
| I want you to list the positives, uh the positive impact of society and the negatives. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they did it with a quite a few different scientists, and they all had more negatives than positive. | ||
| If they came out with this information to share this information, what would be the effect on society? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| More negatives than positive. | ||
| More negatives and possibly positive. | ||
| Disruption of religion, government, economy. | ||
| Well, I mean how it does, I just don't know depends on your religion, you know. | ||
| Um, and depends on where these things are from and what what is happening. | ||
| What do we think? | ||
| In the Bible, Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Ezekiel stuff sounds like a UFO encounter. | ||
| And it's not the only version of that in ancient texts. | ||
| And the in the ancient Hindu texts they have Vimanas, these things that Are flying through the sky, like what is what are those things? | ||
| You know, in the Rig Veda. | ||
| In the in even in the Bhagavad Gita, they there's there's all these depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about a spaceship or at the very least, some kind of technology. | ||
| Like what this thing about the Nephilim, like that the the gods made it with women and created men who are monstrous. | ||
| Boy, doesn't that sound like aliens came down and genetically manipulated primates and created human beings? | ||
| That that's a version of it that you could imply from the text. | ||
| It's all really weird stuff, man. | ||
| Like really weird. | ||
| If you if you if you found out that that was all true, it would probably change everything about society. | ||
| And this is what Herbert Walker and those guys decided after so Hal Putov was explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they put a numerical value to each thing. | ||
| I'm like, we were that close. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, imagine if that happened this is 1990, right? | ||
| Now correct me if I'm wrong, but these kind of really weird things, as you put them. | ||
| They excite you more than they give you fear. | ||
| That'd be fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you seem excited. | ||
| You get excited about different possibilities. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, you know, I have people go, oh man, no, Rogan loves these conspiracy theories. | ||
| Like, I don't see him liking the conspiracy theories. | ||
| I see him always being interested in an alternate way something went down and being interested and excited about that, but not going, no, no, no, no, no, no, never disengaging from it and going, no way, no, no, because I believe how it was it, and what I read, and that's how it is. | ||
| That that you're not that's not what where you're moving from. | ||
| No, it's never a denial of information and facts, and it's also a recognition that oftentimes a large swath of society just goes with a narrative without having any real understanding of what the actual facts behind it are. | ||
| And then there's that term, this pejorative term, conspiracy theory. | ||
| The problem with that, calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies are real. | ||
| Like there's a lot of evidence, and if you want to sit down, I could fucking show you a ton of them. | ||
| And and so anybody who says, like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist, I'm like, okay, let's talk about conspiracies. | ||
| Like, do you think that any of them exist? | ||
| Do you think that people conspire? | ||
| Is it like it's a natural part of human behavior that's been documented throughout history, even governments? | ||
| I mean, literally, literally the the thing that got us into the Vietnam War was a conspiracy, it was fake. | ||
| The Gulf of Tonkin. | ||
| It was a false flag operation that it never took place at all. | ||
| They lied to the American people. | ||
| That's a conspiracy. | ||
| Like that's just one conspiracy that turns out to be true. | ||
| There's a lot of them. | ||
| The problem is people don't want to look like a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| They've done such a good job of making it a goofy term that you don't ever want attached to you if you cause damage to your reputation. | ||
| If you're in a job where you people have to take you seriously, fortunately I'm not. | ||
| But if you're in a job where people have to take you seriously, you don't want to say anything weird, like, hey, I think aliens are real. | ||
| Like people think you're a kook, and then you they discount your opinion on everything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But if you just know the actual facts, like people that don't think there's anything that aliens are real. | ||
| It's there's no way we're alone. | ||
| There's we've never been contacted. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here yesterday that was talking about cancer research, he was also telling us about a piece of wreckage they found from a craft for is it 1950 that they found it? | ||
| The first one, the silica one. | ||
| So they have d direct chain of uh possession of this evidence from I believe it was 1950, and it was almost pure silica, and the magnesium ratios were so off that he said that this magnesium had to have been it it had to have been sourced from a place that experienced a neutron bomb every two minutes for 900 years. | ||
| That's how off the isotopes were to magnesium that we find here on Earth. | ||
| He's like, I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to ever do that, but I'm saying this is from 1950. | ||
| Like this is a real piece of what they're saying is a wreckage of a craft, and it has a material composition that is impossible for a normal person to create in 1950. | ||
| So what the fuck is this? | ||
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Right. | |
| And you sit to say that to people, and they're like, oh, so Gary Nolan, who's a professor at Stanford, um, he's professor in the in the in the what is his uh forensics? | ||
| Is that what his uh he does cancer research, but what is his actual title? | ||
| Stanford School of Medicine professor, anyway, rock solid credentials published, and people brought him this material, and they said, would you analyze this? | ||
| Because you know all these different scientists and endowed chair, department of pathology, Stanford School of Medicine. | ||
| So when a guy like that is saying, No, this is a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They they found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on earth, and it has uh on an atomic level, layers upon layers of whatever this alloy is. | ||
| He's like, this cost billions of dollars to create. | ||
| And they found it in 1970. | ||
| Like in 1970, no one had this. | ||
| This is it's not possible to make. | ||
| Like maybe you can make it today, but we don't have the equipment to make it today. | ||
| You could conceive how someone with enough resources could have that money today to do something like that. | ||
| But it would be an enormous undertaking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is a piece of craft that someone found from 1976. | ||
| So when a guy like that is telling you, like, I'm not saying what it is. | ||
| I'm not saying where it's from, but I'm saying this is fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't add up to what we could practically do. | ||
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Trevor Burrus, Jr. | |
| So when someone says conspiracy, like, yeah, yeah, I I I believe in conspiracies because they're real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And because I don't have to worry about being taken seriously. | ||
| And most people do. | ||
| Most people don't want to be a fool. | ||
| You don't want to be a silly person. | ||
| You know, you don't want to be mocked when people aren't around you, like, yeah, fucking Bob believes the JFK assassination or farming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You say because you don't have to be taken seriously. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because wait, because you're saying your your theories on things are solid, or because you in your position are going, hey, I don't have to be taken. | ||
| My job does not rely on me being taken seriously. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| What do you say to the because you get you get attacked for like, hey man, you had so-and-so on here and and and and and and and and you placated them. | ||
| And you know, and and we do take you seriously, because so many people listen, I'm because I always hear, and I'm and I always find that I think there's a hole in those attacks on you. | ||
| You have a massive audience of listening. | ||
| Does that mean, inherently? | ||
| Not necessarily is what I hear you saying, that oh, everything I say should be taken seriously because that information is going wide. | ||
| No. | ||
| So people's argument is going, Joe, you have a massive audience. | ||
| So that's your responsibility to make sure blah blah blah blah, they go down that rabbit hole. | ||
| My responsibility is only just to be me. | ||
| I don't have a responsibility to do anything else. | ||
| I d definitely have a responsibility to not lie to people. | ||
| And I definitely have a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie without at least questioning them. | ||
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Right. | |
| Um, if I know that they're lying. | ||
| But other than that, my responsibility is just to keep doing what I've done. | ||
| And that's why I have a big audience. | ||
| It's not because it's not because of any other reason. | ||
| So I'm not gonna do anything any differently. | ||
| No, I I I see that. | ||
| I applaud it. | ||
| I don't think you have to. | ||
| I don't think it's good. | ||
| I don't think it's smart. | ||
| I don't think you should be paying too much attention to what other people's opinions of what you should or shouldn't be doing are, as long as you have a good internal compass. | ||
| As long as you have a good true north and you know. | ||
| And my true north is how do I feel about it? | ||
| Like, what do what what do I feel like I'm a good person for doing this? | ||
| Do I feel like that was a beneficial thing for them and for me? | ||
| I'm happy, they're happy, we're all good. | ||
| And that's what I want. | ||
| I just want I want a hug and a handshake. | ||
| Thank you, that was awesome. | ||
| Yeah, good times. | ||
| And I want to hear from them, like this has been amazing for me. | ||
| That's that makes me excited. | ||
| That's all that's all I like. | ||
| That's that's cool. | ||
| You gotta you gotta you make it sound so simple, but as you probably know from a lot of people in your position, it ate that sample. | ||
| It's but it is if you follow the right path. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's not that hard. | ||
| Like people say it's hard, I'm like, uh. | ||
| You know, oh, you work so hard, like, eh. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Look at us right now. | ||
| This is me working. | ||
| This is not that hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This isn't I've had jobs. | ||
| This is I've done construction. | ||
| I've done like horrible jobs that suck. | ||
| This is not a job. | ||
| This is just a fun pursuit. | ||
| So you have a responsibility to the people that listen. | ||
| And I think the people that listen expect me to be me. | ||
| And that's all you can do. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| And as soon as you start changing, they fucking know before you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like they'll they'll like, oh, you fucking change. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And people will always accuse you of changing even if you haven't. | ||
| But I I think I've evolved. | ||
| I've most certainly evolved. | ||
| I've tempered the way I view life. | ||
| I'm more I'm definitely kinder and more patient, but I'm the same person. | ||
| Same person, like same goals. | ||
| Just curious. | ||
| I'm interested. | ||
| Like talk to people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I want everybody to do well. | ||
| I really genuinely do. | ||
| Well, that's a uh that's not that's not an overly common trait. | ||
| It should be I I think it should be too much. | ||
| And it's not hard, and I think the way you described it is great. | ||
| It actually is selfish. | ||
| And I say that all the time. | ||
| It really is selfish. | ||
| I'm on a crusade to change the understanding of that word, because I think we sell ourselves short. | ||
| And with there is a way where what is best for us is actually best for the most amount of people and vice versa. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| It's at the end of the day, it is all gotta be very personal. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And then to have some dignity in it. | ||
| It's the difference between choice and a mandate. | ||
| No, you got a choice, but make the fucking right choice. | ||
| Measure the choice. | ||
| You got you're you got power when you make the choice. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And you deal with the consequences. | ||
| I love to go, oh, bogey there, McConnell, and I can look in the mirror and go, that's on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then I can make a good decision, something works out. | ||
| I can look in the mirror and go, Good man, we hit that one on the screws. | ||
| I like I honestly like fucking up sometimes because then it makes me really reset and go, Oh boy, get it back together. | ||
| What's the last big fuck up you had? | ||
| Do you have a weird podcast, you're like, that one sucked. | ||
| Like maybe I was like worked out too hard before I got here. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Like that that's a bad one that I do sometimes. | ||
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Like, come in charging and and and getting over getting ahead. | |
| No, like I'm worn out. | ||
| Uh and then my brain's not firing on all so like if I do leg, like I do a leg day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I come in and my brain is just like wiped out. | ||
| You know, that's not good. | ||
| I've done that. | ||
| You know, I've you know, but it just when you're not on point, okay, what did I do wrong? | ||
| Well, I didn't get enough sleep. | ||
| Uh you know, maybe I didn't take my nootropics, whatever it was, like maybe I didn't do uh enough research on the subject, whatever it is, like let's get it back together. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Pull that fucking shit back around. | ||
| See, but that's self-regulation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're self-regulating. | ||
| Because ah, could have done better. | ||
| I missed my mark. | ||
| Oh, my God, I don't like it when I do that. | ||
| I'm a little embarrassed when I do that. | ||
| Damn it, I feel shitty. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I I didn't I didn't leave that situation better than I found it. | ||
| I didn't come for I didn't prepare enough or whatever that might be. | ||
| Man, more that across the board. | ||
| It's good for everybody. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's you gotta be your own general. | ||
| You've got to be your own like wake up, soldier. | ||
| Yeah you know. | ||
| I always talk about the cold plunge because it is the w that is the one time. | ||
| Like people say, Oh, how do you do it every day? | ||
| Listen to me very carefully. | ||
| I almost don't every day. | ||
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Every day. | |
| I get that close to bitching out every single day. | ||
| I'm amazed how weak I am. | ||
| I'm amazed. | ||
| Every time I go to lift that fucking lid off that thing, I'm like, oh my god, I don't want to I'm not doing this. | ||
| I am not doing this. | ||
| I'm not doing and then when I get in, I'm like, maybe I'll only do a minute today. | ||
| Maybe I'll get out right now. | ||
| Don't you want to get out right now? | ||
| I'm like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| I get the let the general talk, and the general's like, shut the fuck up, soldier. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You will stay in that water. | ||
| I'm like that dude from uh full metal jacket. | ||
| Outstanding. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well self-regulation, man. | ||
| Yeah, you're not. | ||
| But every day I almost don't. | ||
| David Goggins told me that too. | ||
| Who's like the most mentally strong human being I've ever met, and maybe the most mentally strong human being that's ever walked the face of the planet. | ||
| And he said, uh he goes, even though I run every day, sometimes I look at my sneakers, I stare at those motherfuckers for a half an hour before I put them on. | ||
| Just thinking of him. | ||
| I mean, he's out there running like marathons literally every day. | ||
| And he would just like I don't want to do this. | ||
| I don't want to do it, I don't want to do this. | ||
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Yes. | |
| But he does it. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like people want to think that people that are mentally strong don't struggle. | ||
| No, you just you do struggle. | ||
| You always struggle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you win every time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You you make sure that you win every time. | ||
| And you can win every time. | ||
| But you gotta develop that ability to make yourself do the things you don't necessarily want to do, but you know you should. | ||
| It's a little bit of that uh I don't know if you ever saw that Djokovic interview on 60 Minutes. | ||
| No, it didn't. | ||
| And uh six minutes interview, I forget his name was gone like, look, so you know your mental capacity is why you're so good. | ||
| Is in and and my hunch is that Novak, it's because you have less negative thought, and Djokovic interrupts him. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Now you might want to pull this one up. | ||
| This is good. | ||
| His answer is great. | ||
| He goes, No, no, no. | ||
| I have as many or more negative thoughts. | ||
| I just get past them quicker than others. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good thing. | ||
| So he's not denying the negative thoughts. | ||
| He's let him let him come. | ||
| And then bam, out of the way. | ||
| I gotta on to the next. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He has control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has control over those thoughts. | ||
| They come in and he swats them down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'll have to have some negative thoughts if you're gonna be an elite athlete because you have to be your own worst critic. | ||
| You can't be satisfied with anything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you want to reach the very tip of the top, every movement must be more precise and more explosive and better every time you do it, and you have to do all the training and you leave no stone unturned, and if you don't do that, you're never gonna reach the level that he's at in anything. | ||
| Let me ask you about this. | ||
| Um I got a poem on it, but I'm just trying to remember what it was about. | ||
| It's uh success. | ||
| Um, MMA, for instance. | ||
| What's a better resume for a great performance or victory? | ||
| Suffering to succeed or revenge. | ||
| Oh, suffering to succeed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| The emotions that come with revenge are crippling, and and and sometimes they can keep you up at night and they'll they'll fuck with your sleep, and then the the consequences of you losing are far greater because you genuinely hate this person. | ||
| There's a you know, some people th thrive under those conditions, oddly. | ||
| But I would think most of the time most of the time trying to just achieve the highest version of yourself is the most aspirational. | ||
| And I think the best of the best do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The very best the George St. Pierre's of the world, they they do that. | ||
| They're playing against themselves. | ||
| They're playing against themselves. | ||
| Yeah, they're trying to be the very best version of themselves that they can be, and if they do that right and leave no stone unturned, they can achieve greatness. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's not going to be easy. | ||
| It's g it's gonna be they go through hell. | ||
| I mean, to become an elite fighter is one of the most physically difficult things, and then psychologically difficult things that a human being can ever undertake, uh outside of war and maybe law enforcement. | ||
| You know, other than that, the you're you're dealing with uh physical struggle, the likes of most people will never experience in their life. | ||
| You're you're literally hurling bones in the direction of a a trained assassin, and the two of you are gonna do it publicly in your underwear in front of the whole world, barefoot with these little tiny pads on your knuckles and a cup over your dick, and you just gotta go out there and and kick each other and strangle each other. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's a crazy sport. | ||
| And so there's this balance of the mind and the body and the intention and how you allocate your resources and time and how you manage stress and how you deal with the the pressures of trying to succeed and the doubts and the fears. | ||
| In the suffering to succeed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is it fair to say I think it is that like the people that you know, like the seeing beyond the immediate goal. | ||
| Meaning we choke at the goal line when we look up and get objective and go, oh shit, fourth and one. | ||
| This could be the game winner. | ||
| How I gotta get this one yard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas, no, I I run. | ||
| I will run through, I'll use my ability, I will cross that Bo Jackson. | ||
| When he scored, he'd go through the end zone down the fucking tunnel. | ||
| The best snipers don't aim at the target, they aim on the other side of it. | ||
| Getting through COVID, part of what I know helped me was going, oh, it's gonna be like this for ten years, gang. | ||
| Family, buckle up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was much shorter. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| I We were preparing for a much longer journey, going to work out. | ||
| This is gonna be hell. | ||
| Get ready for it, dude. | ||
| And then all of a sudden you're like, all right, that's it. | ||
| Wait, I'm done. | ||
| Projecting past the goal, cellularly, I think wakes up something in us on survival level that we don't choke, we don't get fatigued as quickly. | ||
| We don't want to quit sooner because we have in our mind, no, it's the end is not right around the corner. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's only it's it's a bit of a mental trick. | ||
| But I think that it has something to do with that that that what champions do. | ||
| They see beyond. | ||
| They're playing Arch Manning right now. | ||
| There's never been more hype on a quarter college quarterback ever. | ||
| I believe that guy is wired, and that family bloodline's even wired. | ||
| They're beyond this hype. | ||
| This hype, this is mortal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is mortal shit, guys. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's about the process, it's about winning games. | ||
| If UT goes and wins the championship this year, they're preseason ranked number one, never been ranked number one before. | ||
| I believe that this team is like, oh, well, thank you for the compliment, but we're on our own mission. | ||
| That being preseason ranked number one or being on the cover of freaking sports illustrated is not a curse nor a validation. | ||
| It's just noise out there. | ||
| And if we do it and you go, We told you you'd be number one, we'll look at you and go, Oh, well, thank you. | ||
| But that's it. | ||
| I'm not they don't need a pep rally to go. | ||
| The rest of the world thinks you can win this too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, good good for them. | ||
| We're not playing for them. | ||
| We're doing our thing. | ||
| I have a mission here. | ||
| I believe in a path that I'm on. | ||
| And I'm going beyond this hype, or I'm going beyond this game. | ||
| I'm playing for a whole I'm prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire season of hell. | ||
| I'm prepared to fight this assassin on the other side of me that is wants to defend and do to me what I want to do to them. | ||
| Making the the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and longer and going to be more tumultuous seems to be a good way to succeed, going beyond, and all of a sudden you look up. | ||
| I get this from when I've done my best acting. | ||
| I didn't know it was the last day. | ||
| When they yield cut at the end of the last scene of the last day of shooting, I was walking off going, all right, see you tomorrow. | ||
| And they're like, No, no, no, there is no tomorrow. | ||
| You were just in the zone. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We rapped. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Oh, hey, Joe, how are you doing? | ||
| For the first time. | ||
| Because you were just locked in. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Best rounds of golf. | ||
| I walked off the 18th green and was heading to the next T-box to look up and realize I no, that's it. | ||
| You played eight. | ||
| Oh, shit, what'd I shoot? | ||
| Oh, 74. | ||
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Huh. | |
| I didn't look at my scorecard on 16 and go, if I can just keep it in the fairway, this last three holes, maybe get in with the parts, don't bogey. | ||
| I didn't anticipate. | ||
| So I didn't get my room. | ||
| I behaved and went through the finish line. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That something in there is in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge. | ||
| Seeing on the other side of the target. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You follow what I'm saying. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's also like concentrating on what you're trying to do versus the impact of what it is. | ||
| Like if I miss this, oh my God, I'm fucked. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead of that, you're just thinking about I'm going to make this. | ||
| This is how I make this. | ||
| This is how I do this. | ||
| This is how I do this. | ||
| This is how I behave. | ||
| It's also in today's world with all the stimulus we're talking about and social media, et cetera, we're all sort of living in the third person or being fed opportunities to live in the third person all the time. | ||
| It's like we have a jumbotron, and you use a football analogy, you kick me the ball, I'm running the kickoff back, and I'm going down the sideline and I see the goal line, I think I'm going to score. | ||
| And then I have a look at the jumbotron to see how I'm doing. | ||
| That's when I'm getting tackled from behind. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If we step outside to have a look at how are we doing. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That passenger you open up talking about when you're hitting it comedically is not hopping out over here to have a look. | ||
| And if you do, you'll you'll get lost. | ||
| You get lost. | ||
| You get conscious of what you're behaving, what you know how to do, which you're fashioned to do. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And you're out of the moment. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you become ejective. | ||
| Yeah, when you love watching someone do something where we know they're in the zone, right? | ||
| Like where someone runs in for a layup and it's like the most beautiful movements, avoiding the defenders up in the air, drops the ball, and we're like, wow. | ||
| When we see someone just hit the zone. | ||
| We see it in a fight. | ||
| When we see someone just flow, we see someone flowing like, wow, he's feeling it. | ||
| You know, whoa, she's locked in. | ||
| We love that because we know that it's somewhere in ourselves. | ||
| And maybe at one point in your life you experienced it. | ||
| You might have been playing mini golf or something. | ||
| Like one point in your life, you're like, I think I felt a little bit of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How much do you think preparation has to do with the freedom to adapt and flow once you're in the game? | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Almost everything. | ||
| You if you're not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow. | ||
| But you have to like really have all your bases covered to just like just so they don't have anxiety of I could have done more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is a big issue with fighters. | ||
| We see fighters towards the end of their career. | ||
| There's a thing that happens with fighters realize they're probably never going to be champion and they're just doing it for a paycheck. | ||
| And you know, you see sometimes they'll show up and they look a little soft, and you're like you see a little fear in their eyes because they know they really are not focused. | ||
| They're really not dialed in. | ||
| But this is what they're doing for a paycheck now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's not good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the other guy on the other side of the octagon is the opposite. | ||
| That guy's dialed in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe he's only like twenty-five and he's like coming into his prime and you're a stepping stone for him. | ||
| It's like, ooh. | ||
| And the and and the problem fear of that is what? | ||
| Getting actually really injured? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| More so than if you were styled yourself. | ||
| You'll definitely take shots you wouldn't take. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And then you're you don't have the endurance to keep up a pace. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because you like to get to the shape that you have to have to be in to be able to compete in a five-round MMA fight, it's almost impossible to maintain. | ||
| Like Chelsea's talked about this extensively. | ||
| It's like you can't keep it up. | ||
| It's not like a level of conditioning that you can keep up all year round. | ||
| You have to peek to it where you're like your body's barely hanging on. | ||
| And then you coast the last week to allow yourself to like recover and you're just kind of going through movements the last few days, and then on Saturday, under the bright lights, you're at 100% capacity. | ||
| I mean, they've been monitoring your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate and checking your blood and your heart rate variability and what your nutrient levels are. | ||
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You're fucking finely tuned for get in there and go. | |
| And if you're not, if you didn't cover any of those bases, you're gonna know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The back of your head, you're gonna know. | ||
| Like I'm gonna give it my best, but boy, I don't have a big gas tank, and I could have trained harder and I I'm I'm I'm I could so damn excited about this. | ||
| This seems like this uh uh the blind spot that still is there to be taken advantage of for preparing for peak performance. | ||
| Daryl Royal, coach of the University of Texas that won a couple national championships here at Texas and always said if you got twelve games in the year. | ||
| You can expect for your team to be at peak performance level. | ||
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Two Saturdays out of twelve. | |
| You want to make sure that those two Saturdays are against the toughest teams. | ||
| You want to make sure that the other ones where they're like, ah, okay, they they did well, but they didn't play to their peak performance are against the good teams, and you want to do your best to make sure that the days that they're off, you're playing the shitty teams that you can beat, even when you're not really there. | ||
| That seems like so much more opportunity for that number to rise today to have a much higher number that you can be ready for peak performance. | ||
| Who are the best preparers in I don't know, MMA in your mind? | ||
| Well, all the champions when you get to a championship level, when you get to like Alishandre Pantojo, or when you get to uh, you know, Islam Makachev. | ||
| When you get to like that level, they're all you're at a championship level, they're all they all have impeccable pre preparation. | ||
| They're all Yes. | ||
| It's impeccable. | ||
| Impeccable. | ||
| So the the the team behind it's measured, it's time, this is Yeah. | ||
| They're all dialed in with diet, they're dialed in with their weight, they're dialed in with strength and conditioning, They're dialed in with their sparring. | ||
| It's impeccable. | ||
| You can't compete at a world class level today and not have that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| So physically? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mentally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are these two different coaches? | ||
| Are these one case? | ||
| Some people don't have mental coaches at all. | ||
| Some elite fighters have no mental coaches. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But some of them do. | ||
| Some of them, like we had this guy Brandon Epstein the other day that um he works with quite a few UFC fighters, and he's got a very specific protocol that he mentally prepares them for and he coaches them through things and and sets up like a way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself doing things and how you how you view your performance, like and to get you into a mindset where once you get into that octagon, you're locked into this pathway. | ||
| Instead of like straying and letting anxiety and fear overcome you, which can happen to fighters. | ||
| But then there's other guys that don't have any coaches for that at all. | ||
| They just have the mindset already and they're comfortable with what they have and they just stay disciplined and just go in there. | ||
| It's it's very personal. | ||
| Because everybody's brain is different. | ||
| Everybody's they all have like different ways of expressing themselves, different ways. | ||
| How much is technology and diet and stuff helped? | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Yeah, a lot. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Technology, um just understanding nutritional balances, understanding like when you do a nutrient analysis of your blood work, like oh, you're deficient in niacin, is this is your probably you're wearing down, you don't have enough B12 in your system, making sure you get the the correct amount of protein. | ||
| Like you can't you can't miss any of those things if you want to achieve peak performance. | ||
| You have to have everything, your hydration, your electrolytes, everything has to be dialed in. | ||
| Your sleep, which is one of the biggest ones. | ||
| Like this is like a lot of these young guys. | ||
| The problem is they still go out and party, they're still hanging out with girls till two o'clock in the morning and then they're at training at 8 a.m. | ||
| Like you can't do that and be a professional and expect to be world class or expect to beat the guys who are just as good as you but get that preparation. | ||
| They're gonna have an advantage. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the argument of athletes, you know. | ||
| Well, who was better than or now? | ||
| What would they have done then? | ||
| Or what would this I I think that we've athletes have evolved and the athletes we have now are just better than athletes ever were. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| They're bigger, they're more powerful, they're more focused, they're more specific. | ||
| Um that they're just better. | ||
| That if they played in that time, they would be that much better then, even than they are now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Seems to be I think we're just evolving that way. | ||
| They also have the benefit of watching people do it before them and do it really well so they aspire to that level and then to surpass that level, whereas those people were pioneers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Larry Byrd didn't have a lot of people to watch play basketball before Larry Bird. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, there was a few, but you know, black and white footage. | ||
| It's not like you didn't see it every day, you didn't have it on the internet. | ||
| Now, kids, they could just watch every Jordan highlight reel, every time LeBron James has scored, every Steph Curry three-pointer. | ||
| They could watch it anytime they want, and then that is a level that they're aspiring to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Think of all the football games that kids can watch now and analyze. | ||
| Think of all the fights that people coming up now that want to be a martial artist, they can watch. | ||
| And so they aspire to this level that has already been achieved by the greatest of all time, and then they want to surpass that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is what human beings have always done athletically all throughout time. | ||
| We've always it's not like guys who broke records in the 1930s, we don't break those today. | ||
| Like those are not the same records. | ||
| Like those don't hold up. | ||
| We 100% get better. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| From 90 years ago to today, there is no comparison. | ||
| The athletes are far better. | ||
| And they're gonna continue. | ||
| 90 years from now, I'll probably be, if there's humans, they'll probably be far better. | ||
| You know, experiments that have happened in the NFL. | ||
| You know, and uh, I think at these I think this is correct, but I was always a Washington, it was then the Redskins fan. | ||
| And uh I think it was nineteen eighty-six or nineteen eighty-eight, they had the heaviest offensive line, and they averaged two eighty-six. | ||
| Somewhere around there, those numbers. | ||
| Big fellas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But compared to today, that would be the lightest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| And then Dallas, with Nate Newton and those guys had a point where they were going, oh, we're gonna get guys up to 330. | ||
| Oh, let's get them to 340. | ||
| And they peaked when the oh some of them got to 360. | ||
| The bone marrow, they were big, but they lost agility and speed, and then went, uh oh, we hit the ceiling. | ||
| We went past it. | ||
| We gotta come back. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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These are the hogs. | |
| There's the hogs. | ||
| Look at those. | ||
| Guy in the middle with the mustache. | ||
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Oh my gosh. | |
| Joe Jacoby over here, 66. | ||
| Big fellas. | ||
| The hogs. | ||
| What a great name. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Um they hit the top of Dallas, it hit they hit they went too far. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So let's get bigger, and then all of a sudden agility went. | ||
| They went, uh oh, it's not 360, it's come way back, come back down. | ||
| Well, believe it or not, the UFC heavyweight division has a weight class. | ||
| You can't be over 265 pounds. | ||
| You can't? | ||
| No. | ||
| They have to wait to to fight for the UFC heavyweight title, you must weigh 265 pounds or below. | ||
| So you're 270. | ||
| You gotta lose weight. | ||
| You don't have you don't have to be able to get it. | ||
| You gotta weigh in. | ||
| It's happened before where guys had to lose weight to fight heavyweight. | ||
| Tim Sylvia, when he was the UFC heavyweight champion, had to cut weight to hit the 265 pound weight class. | ||
| He was so big that like 265 was a struggle for him to get down to. | ||
| Isn't that number gonna have to be able to do that? | ||
| Well, I would assume it should, but the problem is there's actually a heavyweight class above that that's super heavyweight. | ||
| Okay, but we've never had that in the UFC. | ||
| There's never been a single super heavyweight fight in the UFC. | ||
| Everything has always been inside the 265 pound weight class, which I think is real weird. | ||
| Where did that number come from? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The numbers are real weird anyway because there's giant gaps in them. | ||
| It's like one of the major problems with MMA is that there's a lack of weight classes. | ||
| So in boxing, there's weight classes all you got 126, 130, 135. | ||
| It goes 135 to 140, 140, 147, 147, 54. | ||
| With the USC, it's like 35, 45, 55, then it goes 70, 85, so you got a 15 pound weight difference. | ||
| And then it goes 205, so you got 20 pounds. | ||
| And then you got 265. | ||
| So that's 60 pounds for for heavyweight. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| The the gaps are just too big. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're gigantic. | ||
| So that's a major problem with MMA in that there's less weight classes than there should be. | ||
| And then you have a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas. | ||
| Like you should have no cap. | ||
| Heavyweight should be how big is this guy? | ||
| Like let him fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, what about the mountain? | ||
| That guy from Game of Thrones. | ||
| If that guy had a fight in the UFC, he wouldn't be able to make weight. | ||
| He's too big. | ||
| He's that guy's almost 400 pounds. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, I never knew that. | ||
| I thought heavyweight's like 265 and up. | ||
| 250 and up. | ||
| Should be. | ||
| Whatever you want to come in with. | ||
| That's what it should be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there really should be a weight class around 225. | ||
| There's something like that. | ||
| What class would that be? | ||
| You just name a new class. | ||
| Well, boxing has something like that. | ||
| What is the boxing weight class that's like below heavyweight? | ||
| There's cruiser weight, but then there's a new one. | ||
| There's a recent one over the past few years that they've developed. | ||
| But that's one thing that boxing does a much better job with, I think, is providing fighters the correct weight class where they can compete in. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| That's it, but they're about another one that they're calling. | ||
| They're calling it oh God, I can't remember the name of it. | ||
| Super cruiserweight. | ||
| Super cruiser. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| I think they called it something different, though. | ||
| They had a name for it. | ||
| Eh. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Maybe you'll find it. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| But point is 265 is the limit. | ||
| So like Francis Nganu, when he was the heavyweight champion, he used to have a cut weight. | ||
| He had to lose weight to get down to 265. | ||
| And then how much is he putting on that last week? | ||
| He's probably putting another 10 on at least. | ||
| He's not losing a ton, but he's got to watch his calorie output. | ||
| He's a massive human. | ||
| I met him in Saudi Arabia. | ||
| That guy's so big. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| That's a real tragedy that him in the UFC couldn't figure it out. | ||
| That bothers me a lot. | ||
| Because that guy was he was the scariest heavyweight champion of all time for sure. | ||
| He put guys in orbit. | ||
| He would hit them and you just go, oh. | ||
| It would hurt you like watching it. | ||
| You're like, oh no. | ||
| Yeah, all men are not created equal. | ||
| That's another problem with fighting. | ||
| No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how much intelligent you have you are, some people are faster and hit harder than you. | ||
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| And you ain't gonna fix that in the gym. | ||
| You'll get a little better, but you're never gonna bridge that gap. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Was that your dream? | ||
| For a while. | ||
| How old were you with the other day? | ||
| I was young, and I was like, I'm gonna dunk. | ||
| And no matter how much this guy sitting here would have worked out and hustled now. | ||
| It's never gonna be able to dunk, bro. | ||
| Didn't have the innate ability, didn't have the DNA, didn't have the makeup. | ||
| I bet you could. | ||
| I bet you could over time. | ||
| I bet someone could teach you how to dunk. | ||
| I bet if someone got you on a like a serious training program when you're younger, right now it'd be uh it would be rough. | ||
| It would be rough on the tendons. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Like a lot of stress. | ||
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When you get to be our age, it's like, huh, maybe you shouldn't be dunking. | |
| How about take Duncan off the menu? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that was whatever. | ||
| But when you're young, I think you could teach a guy, but it would, you know, it's not as easy as that. | ||
| Like for some people, they could just dunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that thing about not everyone being created equal. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to have innate ability. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And the hustle. | ||
| If you got both, and there's a lot of look, there's a lot of five-star players who don't have the hustle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then there's a lot of some of the most talented ones, right? | ||
| Because it comes too easy to them. | ||
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| And some of the ones that aren't as talented, but just will not stop. | ||
| They will not stop pushing because they had to work harder for everything they ever did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have that extra gear, and that allows them to be champions. | ||
| I hear more and more CEOs saying, give me Johnny and Jane Hustle from Western Kentucky before Belinda and Joseph from Harvard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I would agree with that. | ||
| You mean this one that's ready to come hustle, that's ready to get scrappy, adapt, work, press the edges on the front and the back end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Give me that. | ||
| And someone is all in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You want someone who's all in. | ||
| You don't want someone who's like looking at the clock, wants to leave, someone is just like doesn't feel like they're being appreciated enough. | ||
| You want someone who's like fully all in on their work. | ||
| Do you think there's been a there's theories about with AI coming that now more than ever that's what you need is the the one that's knows a little that has more of a liberal art education. | ||
| I know I know, I know I know a little about a lot of things, and I can hit many different avenues rather than be an expertise in one certain thing. | ||
| I mean it's like just what, six years ago. | ||
| You tour the campuses that were like computer programming. | ||
| That's what you want your job to be. | ||
| That's what we need. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| Now it's all done. | ||
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Totally. | |
| So what specifics are the jobs or the creations or vocations that are gonna be out there for our youth here coming up that are gonna be like, that's how you're gonna make it. | ||
| I question the college education now. | ||
| I question the worth of it. | ||
| How much is it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to changing times and needs in the workforce? | ||
| And how much of it needs to be updated for getting young men and women prepared to go into the workforce. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good question. | ||
| I think it's really unknown territory. | ||
| And I think AI is gonna take jobs away that we uh never thought we were gonna lose. | ||
| Uh I think lawyers are off. | ||
| I think they're in trouble. | ||
| Coders are gone. | ||
| Accountants are gone. | ||
| Accountants are gone. | ||
| Yeah, it's gonna be really fucking weird. | ||
| It's gonna be really weird for Hollywood. | ||
| I mean, you've seen some of these these films that they've seen the old Star Wars that they're doing, they're remaking Star Wars with AI with old Luke Skywalker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when he was young, like when Luke Skywalker's they're doing completely new scenes that look exactly like HD versions of Star Trek Star Wars in 1975. | ||
| It's what it looks like. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's in HD today with AI using Mark Hamill's voice, so it sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker. | ||
| It's bananas, man. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| There's a lot of weirdness With music, there's a lot of weirdness with literature, you're gonna have all sorts of AI. | ||
| So no one knows what's going to survive this. | ||
| I think I assume that a bunch of people at the end of the day are gonna get really sick of artificially created things and want something that they know was made by a person. | ||
| Whether it's a book that is made by a person or a song, like an Oliver Angular. | ||
| You think we're gonna want a tangible. | ||
| We're gonna want books. | ||
| Yeah, books are gonna be like, you know, some people just love vinyl. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, love them. | ||
| They just love the pressing the needle down and hearing the crackle and that's that's what there's gonna be a lot of that still. | ||
| People are gonna want to buy books from people that actually wrote the book. | ||
| They're gonna want to go to see a guy perform music in an actual club where you see the guy on stage, you know it's live. | ||
| The the there's always gonna be a desire for handmade things. | ||
| The guy made this table, I know them, you know. | ||
| But other than that, man, no one knows. | ||
| It's the unknown. | ||
| Because who no one knows what the capabilities of these things are gonna be. | ||
| Well, and the the the tech, the uh the AI tech companies keep saying, No, trust is a lot of jobs are gonna be lost, but AI is going to create so many other jobs. | ||
| But I haven't heard him anyone answer what those jobs are going to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even think they know, honestly. | ||
| They don't even know why these things are so good at what they are good at. | ||
| They they they keep getting smarter and smarter and they blow them away. | ||
| Like Elon told me that every week he has like these new discoveries there. | ||
| It's like what this is crazy. | ||
| Every week we're blown away. | ||
| So they just it just keeps getting more and more capable. | ||
| They we don't know where this is going. | ||
| So if you're in college right now, like I mean it's so cliche to say follow your dream, but really do follow your fucking dream, because that might be the only thing that you've got. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because if you think you're just gonna get a really good job in an industry that might be completely wiped out in three years by AI. | ||
| That's gonna a lot of people are gonna be going down that path. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is crime gonna go up? | ||
| What are these people gonna do? | ||
| I think it's universal basic income is probably the only way to solve, at least on the short term, where how we're gonna lose a lot of stuff. | ||
| Look at you, man, you got a lot of little tabs in there. | ||
| I do. | ||
| You're very organized. | ||
| You're very organized. | ||
| Well, yeah, but these are the ones that I thought could be cool com that that cool conversation starters for uh for us. | ||
| And we've kind of covered actually some of them. | ||
| Um you ever had anyone read poems on the show before? | ||
| Yeah, Lex Friedman. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Uh you want to find a good one, we'll wrap it up with a great poem. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Do do do do do do do. | ||
| This book is out right now. | ||
| No, September the 16th. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| September 16th. | ||
| Um This is a fun one that I wrote. | ||
| Um it's kind of based on uh um it's called it's based on extra credit, kind of when relying on fate or extra credit that we get that sometimes we rely on the extra credit or participation trophies is where this one kind of started for me. | ||
| So I mean it it it's a fun one. | ||
| Uh and it might get us talking about something. | ||
| It's called tips included. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When extra credit's included. | ||
| Credit doesn't get its due. | ||
| When more gives us less, the exchange rate's gonna skew. | ||
| When amnesty is offered going into the crime, we're more bound to commit it because there is no fine. | ||
| We start playing to tie instead of going for the win. | ||
| When participation's the trophy for every cow and the pen. | ||
| If I stay on the porch because you picked up the slack, when you look over your shoulder, I can't have your back. | ||
| If there is no curfew, we'll stay out all night. | ||
| No tab at our bar, we get drunk and start a fight. | ||
| All these long lenses got us losing our sight. | ||
| You keep lifting it for me, I'm gonna lose all my might. | ||
| When a four-star duty suits a six-star rate, we take our hands off the wheel and rely on fate. | ||
| Eating all we can at the all we can eat buffet gives us a 3.8 education and a 4.2 GPA. | ||
| We steal from ourselves and get away with the scam. | ||
| What's the measure of merit with less give a damn? | ||
| These unlimited options, mmm, they sure got me confused. | ||
| Well, all the conveniences keep me properly lubed. | ||
| In this red light district with the whore of inflation, the ROI's math don't pay for the vacation. | ||
| So let's just admit it, this extra credit's quite a fluffer. | ||
| Because when the tips included, the service will suffer. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's really good. | ||
| And dead on. | ||
| You fucking right on the head. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I got I think I came when my 11th place team got the same size trophy as the first place team. | ||
| And I was like, wait, they went 0 and 10, but the winning team went 10 and 0. | ||
| You kind of like saying, oh, the winning team went five and five and the losing team went five and five. | ||
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I I don't I don't get it. | |
| Don't hurt you, don't hurt the feelings, don't lose, don't get told no. | ||
| Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes. | ||
| That's how you learn and grow. | ||
| And you can't protect anybody from that. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| We want to do that with our children. | ||
| We love like I all my best friends, all my favorite people had terrible chaotic childhoods. | ||
| And they all became very interesting people. | ||
| But I don't want my kids to have a terrible chaotic childhood. | ||
| I want to have a like a wonderful love-filled, you know, bountiful childhood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that comes with well, I think they have to find things that they uh that they find that are difficult that they get engrossed with the they that they really love to pursue. | ||
| And fortunately my kids do that. | ||
| But I think they you have to have a struggle. | ||
| You have to have a task. | ||
| If you just want to like, oh, you get a trophy too. | ||
| Everybody gets a trophy. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| No one there's no losers. | ||
| It got hard. | ||
| Okay, quit. | ||
| When my kids were real little, uh, one of my daughters was playing in a soccer game and they didn't they wouldn't say the score. | ||
| I'm like, but I know the fucking score. | ||
| I just watched, they lost. | ||
| You can't say there's no score. | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| But they were doing this in California. | ||
| They had like scoreless games. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| I mean, look at that. | ||
| But look, why are you trying to score then? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why are you trying to score if you don't count it? | ||
| This doesn't make any sense. | ||
| This is soccer. | ||
| Soccer has a why has a gully trying to keep them from scoring. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| What's the point of duly a little crazy? | ||
| Everybody why what's what are the rules? | ||
| Pick it up with your hands. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If if you don't have a loser, you don't have a desire to get better to become a winner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a part of the process. | ||
| Sometimes lose and they cry. | ||
| And by the way, if you don't ever go through that, then you don't understand how to lose, so you never develop a healthy ability to manage competitiveness. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Well, some people just never get that. | ||
| They they they never get healthy competition. | ||
| Makes for a very unhealthy person. | ||
| So you're not being able to just compete. | ||
| Well, especially once they leave the house. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they're on their own because the world sure plays by the rules and the score is kept. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you don't win everyone. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No matter how good you are. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And there's nobody coming back in to tuck you in bed and say it's okay. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's put some ice on it. | ||
| That wake up call. | ||
| That's cold. | ||
| It's cold blooded. | ||
| I got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus. | ||
| It'll be out uh in October. | ||
| It's gonna be in theaters for a couple weeks and it goes on Apple and streams. | ||
| You remember the Paradise Fires in 2018 in Paradise, California? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think uh I think the number's 30 people or so died. | ||
| Um Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on MPR and went to Jason Bloom and Jason Bloom went to Paul Greengrass, who's a director of Captain Phillips, uh United 93, um Black Sunday. | ||
| Um really good action director, but also with a good personal dramatic story in it. | ||
| And then they came to me for it, and there were a lot of heroic people uh that at that time that went ran towards the crisis instead of away from the crisis, but this one particular story about this bus driver and this teacher that uh um got twenty-two kids to safety was the story we picked to tell. | ||
| And um we went and shot it in Santa Fe. | ||
| This guy that uh this guy that I play is uh um oh here's the trailer. | ||
| Yeah, we're not listening to it. | ||
| Just tell me while those trailers going on. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So um this guy, Kevin in our story, comes back home because his dad has passed away and he's gonna take care of his widowed mother and try to reunite with his son, which by the way, check this out, you know. | ||
| My mom plays my mom, and Levi plays my son. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| In a movie, man. | ||
| Your mom plays your mom. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So he comes back through that, and he gets a part-time job as a uh school bus driver. | ||
| He goes out that morning, there's a fire coming across the canyon, as they always do, no problem. | ||
| Uh you know, first responders head out. | ||
| Well, by the afternoon it got no out of hand and was jumping the canyon. | ||
| And so that afternoon, as he's now decided, oh shit, I gotta go back and get my mom and my son. | ||
| Neither one of them even drive, get them to safety on the way home, barging home to go barge down the highway to go get them. | ||
| A call comes through dispatch. | ||
| I got 22 stranded kids on the east side of town. | ||
| Is anyone over there with an empty bus? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| guess who's got an empty bus fuck i want to go get my mom and my son man what But he takes the call and says, I go get him. | ||
| He goes and gets him. | ||
| A teacher, their teacher gets on the bus, and this is their story of about eight hours of going through hell and how and if they they got out of it. | ||
| And r really awesome adrenaline pumped action, which you're gonna get from Greengrass and a story like that. | ||
| Like the fire. | ||
| This is as good as a fire movie as there's been. | ||
| The fire is a fucking predator. | ||
| It's from the POV. | ||
| It's it's like Jaws. | ||
| The fire is actually like the shark in Jaws in this thing. | ||
| Plus a really cool story of redemption, fathers, sons. | ||
| Um, and uh, you know, two people doing what they can to survive when there were no there were no contact. | ||
| All the telephone towers are down and the dispatch was down. | ||
| No one had any contact. | ||
| So he didn't know if his mom and son were okay. | ||
| He didn't know where to go, where the traffic jams were. | ||
| And what happened is the first responders left early to go get the fires when they got there. | ||
| It had already jumped the canyon. | ||
| So when the they were coming back to town, the mandatory evacuation, the whole town's leaving. | ||
| It couldn't get back in town. | ||
| So it's uh yeah, it's a bit of a horror film in that way. | ||
| But um movie I'm gonna do. | ||
| Fire is predatory product, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is what it feels like if you ever get stuck in one of those things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It feels like a monster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sounds awesome. | ||
| That uh it's pretty good. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Tough movie, but a good one. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
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| Well, I can't wait to see it. | ||
| Cool, man. | ||
| Thank you for being here, man. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And that poem was awesome. | ||
| That was really good. | ||
| So dead on the head. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| That's the best participation trophy poem of all time. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Uh the book is called There it is right there, Poems and Prayers. | ||
| Uh out soon, pre-ordered now. | ||
| Did you do the audio? | ||
| You did, right? | ||
| Of course you did. | ||
| You can't have an actor do your voice. | ||
| How dare you that would be impossible. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you. |
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