Brigham Buhler exposes Big Pharma’s manipulation of peptide regulations, like Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk’s FDA warning letters for manufacturing issues and lawsuits against telemedicine to block cheaper alternatives. Texas’s Ibogaine and food bills reveal industry lobbying stifling ethical reforms, while CRISPR advancements in China hint at genetic transcendence. Rogan links pharmaceutical control to AI surveillance—like Palantir’s data collection—and UAP whistleblowers’ claims of transmedium craft defying physics. Together, they argue systemic corruption distracts from humanity’s potential evolution, urging decentralized tech to prevent authoritarian misuse. [Automatically generated summary]
This is, to me, this is one of the most exciting moments in terms of like politics, in terms of like who's in control.
Like having RFK Jr. at the helm of the HHS and having him like really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this bullshit that's been going on and seeing all these fucking roaches coming running out when the lights come on.
And for anyone who doesn't know my background, because if they haven't heard our previous podcast, you know, I started out as a drug rep for Eli Lilly and I did that for three years.
So I saw behind the curtain.
This was right out of college.
And then I was a med device rep. And then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs, pharmacogenetic labs.
I tried to go educate clinicians on all this preventative care stuff within the insurance framework, within the system.
And I was, I've been blowing the, you and I did, I think the first one four years ago, where I was trying to blow the whistle on there is a lot of corruption, collusion, and corporate capture throughout every one of these organizations, top to bottom.
Every alphabet organization, whether we're talking the EPA, the CDC, the NIH, the NHS.
The problem is, as you like systematically walk through these systems in the history of each one of these organizations, I can show you time and time again.
And I went from, you know, coming on this podcast and trying to educate people on the importance of taking themselves out of that system, doing blood work, getting proactive and predictive, preventing chronic disease.
Don't put your hands in the fate of these broken systems.
And that led to getting to meet RFK and being a part of the Maha movement, testifying in front of the Senate.
And then I've testified at the state level.
And Joe, the fucking level of fuckery and shady shit that I've seen now behind the scenes, getting line of sight into the government side, because I was on the outside in the periphery, somewhat aware of the government stuff.
But now having got behind the curtain, dude, it runs so much deeper and it's so much darker and it's so much more controlled than I ever realized.
Oh, I think HHS and even HHS, which all falls under Secretary Kennedy now, I think it's between 70 and 80,000 people, right?
And so when people are asking, why aren't we moving faster?
Why aren't we doing this?
Why aren't we doing that?
It's like, you're trying to move the Titanic.
There's all these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and it's whack-a-mole.
And every day a new fire pops up.
And every day you've got industry lobbying, politicking, and moving chess pieces to obstruct, delay, deny, depose, and prevent any sort of change.
And you've got legacy employees.
There's literally, there is literally a memo at the NIH that's being circulated around about how to subvert and ignore President Trump and Secretary Kennedy's mandates, which isn't President Trump and Secretary Tenney.
I believe that the Maha moms and this healthcare movement and the frustration with the broken healthcare system was a deciding factor in Trump winning this election.
And my fear is if we don't keep the pressure up at these midterms, it doesn't matter Republican or Democrats.
Historically, both sides have been corrupted.
And both sides have made catastrophic mistakes.
And if we walk through like each one of these organizations, like back to the, even the FDA.
Okay, so most recently, I'm in Europe and I've got eyes and ears everywhere.
Or you tell me where the best place to start is because I want to, there's so much ground to cover.
Okay, so.
Secretary Kennedy set up a meeting for me with the FDA back in January.
And he said, I want you to come with an open mind, open heart.
They're going to do the same.
And I want you to just sit down and lay out for these folks what you've seen, what you've experienced, and help them understand what compounders, telemedicine companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash pay practices across the country are experiencing because of the FDA's choices and decisions made in a vacuum.
And so I went to this meeting, flew to DC, sat down with all these folks.
They're taking notes.
They all seemed really friendly.
There was probably eight or nine people in the room.
And I left there.
And a day later, and everyone's like, how do you think it went?
I said, they seem very receptive.
Like everyone was nice.
Everyone smiled and everyone just seemed friendly.
Hand of God, I get a call from a person at the FDA.
And they say, I want you to know they're going to smile, fuck you.
And I said, what?
And this person said, they're going to smile, fuck you.
And I go, what do you mean?
They're going to smile to your face and they're going to ramrod all the things that you went in to talk to them about.
So like one of the things that I wanted to talk to them about was the GLP1s.
Forget whether good or bad.
Let's just shelf that for the moment.
GLP-1s have their origination at the National Institute for Health.
But it's bigger than them being a weight loss peptide.
They fall under the category of peptides.
And it's a slippery slope because if we allow the pharmaceutical industry to capture peptides, it will shut down all future innovation of peptides for compounding pharmacies, for telemedicine, for any of these things.
All the things I was telling you, I have now confirmed, having gone to meetings with the FDA.
I said in that meeting and I said, so what happened is Eli Lilly is now one of the largest makers of this weight loss peptide.
It's essentially Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly.
They have lobbied hard with the FDA to say, we can meet the needs of the American people.
There is no reason why anybody should be compounding any of these peptides.
They're dangerous.
You guys don't inspect compounding pharmacies.
There's no FDA oversight.
These products are made in garages and there's no FDA ingredients in them.
They're not the same product.
XYZ, just go down the list of all those narratives that they're spinning to the FDA.
And when the FDA is only hearing one side of the story and 60% of their funding comes from industry, what you will see is time and time again, they side with industry.
So the FDA defaulted right before to their generic answer, right before Secretary Kennedy and Donald Trump took control.
They expired the exemption that was allowing compounding pharmacies to make cost-effective alternatives that patients could utilize.
And this is crucial.
The reason that you're seeing side effects, the reason you're seeing this cascade effect of issues is because they are not treating patients with the most efficacious dose for that patient.
They're treating patients with a dosage that reimburses the highest reimbursement rate on the insurance formulary.
And I can prove this.
They are overdosing people under, like literally, they're not taking the time to do the consult to educate the patient on diet, lifestyle, and nutrition.
There is zero doubt that GLP1s are overutilized in America.
There's zero doubt that they should not be a frontline defense.
There is zero doubt that they don't come with some sort of risk factors.
But most of those risk factors are found in higher dosages.
So why would you start a patient on a higher dosage?
Why would you rapidly titrate them up to a higher dosage where you're causing catastrophic muscle loss?
It's because it reimburses more.
It's not because it's what's better for the patient.
So GLP-1, the weight loss and IGF, insulin growth factor, LR3, time-released insulin growth factor.
And the reason being, IGF preserves lean muscle mass.
IGF preserves bone mineral density.
IGF helps reduce visceral fat.
IGF has a cascade of benefits that allow us to micro-dose a GLP-1 at a much lower dosage where you don't get the muscle wasting.
And so this compound in trials right now is showing 20% body fat loss or 20% loss relative to the GLP-1s, but all of it's body fat.
Almost all of it is fat.
You're not losing the muscle.
And compounders are already making this stuff, right?
And so where I'm going with this is Lilly lobbies the FDA and Novo Nordisk, and they say these drugs are dangerous.
Let's look into that.
Step one, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk both have warning letters from the FDA for their manufacturing facilities.
Novo Nordisk was cited as having cat hair and pest activity.
I don't know if it's rats, if it's roaches in their sterile rooms.
This is the FDA's own inspection.
Eli Lilly has been cited time and time again for his egregious actions, destroying records, hiding clinical data, a barefoot woman in their sterile room.
The FDA uncovered all of this through whistleblowers.
Furthermore, there's over 2,000 major pharmaceutical manufacturing facilities that have not been investigated in five or more fucking years.
And so my message to the FDA was, one, you're wrong.
You've inspected me three times in 18 months.
Two, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk are not making a safer product.
They're not at a higher level of manufacturing specs.
You guys look at them less often than you do compounders, and they don't make dosages unique to patients.
So we're titrating dosages down, allowing patients to optimize the benefits, minimize the side effects.
Not a one-size-fits-all approach.
And then last but not least, it's cash pay.
We aren't billing insurance carriers.
We aren't billing Medicare Medicaid.
And we're not charging $1,300 a month average wholesale price.
We're able to ship these products for a couple hundred bucks to your doorstep with a nutritional consult.
And so it's a better mousetrap.
And what you'll see time and time again is if industry's getting beat, if big pharma is getting beat, they just change the rules to the game.
And so where this is going, though, is so much bigger and grander, Joe.
So I asked the FDA, what made you think that this is no longer on a backlogs list?
Because it was an emergency backlogs list.
So the FDA provides a list every year where they tell compounders, we can't get these drugs.
We need you to compound these drugs.
Think of it like the bat signal.
That signal goes off.
We jump to it.
We start compounding those drugs.
The exemption expired under Biden right before Secretary Kennedy and Trump took control.
The old regime at the FDA ramrodded it through.
Now it's not exempt.
Now 503B pharmacies cannot compound it because they don't make patient specific, which means a lot of those products are no longer available.
But they did that decision based off the fact that these crucial diabetic patients would be able to get the drugs they need.
This is where the plot thickens.
We called over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months.
I turned all of this into the FDA.
Less than 6% of the lower dosages were available for patients, which meant what?
They had to go to the higher dosages, which meant what?
All of these programs get billed a higher reimbursement rate, a higher billable rate.
Eli Lilly and Novo aren't mad that compounders are making the product.
They're mad that they're getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our healthcare institutions time and time again.
And it's going to get 10 times worse as I lay this out for you, but I'll pause.
I said, you do understand that a GLP-1 is a peptide.
Insulin is a peptide.
There are over 150 peptides that big pharma is attempting to patent right now because the future of medicine is peptides.
And here's why.
We aren't compounding a drug.
We're taking something found naturally in nature, a signaling cell found in your body, just like stem cells, just like amnion, just like all of these crucial building blocks to our health and longevity that are deficient in our foods, deficient in our diet, deficient in our lifestyle.
We don't get enough sun.
We have too much screen time.
We're inactive.
And all of that shit's tanking in our bodies.
Shocker, right?
And as we age, there's a precipitous decline in peptides, in building blocks.
One example, GHK, copper peptide.
We know we have roughly 30 to 40% of the level of GHK in our bloodstream in our 40s that we had in our teens.
Why is that important?
It's an important signaling cell that tells your body that you're young.
Your cells are young.
Your skin's elastic.
Heal this injury, heal this wound, reduce this inflammation, right?
It's safe.
It's benign.
It's found in nature.
We're synthesizing that.
That's what peptides are.
And big pharma got beat to the punch by compounding pharmacies.
And compounding pharmacies have an array of peptides in their tool belt.
And the war on peptides has gone beyond the GLP1s.
And this is what I wanted to explain.
So it's very complicated.
I got to make sure I nail this right because it's important for President Trump to understand this.
President Trump, the art of the deal, the master negotiator, is attempting to play hardball with big pharma.
And he is going to negotiate a deal for best in class, best in the world drug pricing for the American people.
And that's very admirable.
And I respect the hell out of him for trying to get it done.
But the devil is in the details.
And my fear is historically, big government has been co-opted and colluded by pharma.
And when they're not able to pull a lever and move a chess piece, they outmaneuver them.
And it's already happening.
Eli Lilly's CEO announced he's going to raise the prices of drugs in Europe to offset the price reduction in America.
But what that really means is we're not going to get the price concession that Donald Trump, President Trump is working for, right?
Because what he's doing is the same thing we already see with the pharmacy benefit managers that I've explained on this podcast before.
The PBMs artificially inflate the price because they get a rebate on the back end from the big pharmaceutical companies that's hidden, that's not disclosed to the public.
Then when they negotiate a deal with Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, they tell the government, we're giving you 30% off.
You're giving us 30% off a bullshit price that you created because you set the market.
And if we give these people a monopoly, we already know where it goes.
We can see it time and time again.
Eli Lilly's price of production on insulin became one tenth of what it used to be.
And they charge 10 times the dollar amount of the retail price of insulin.
And also, Jamie, on any of this stuff on the Ways to Well website, I did the JRE experience links again because I'm referencing so many things that people are going to say, no way.
President Trump is attempting to negotiate these pricing.
This is wrong.
Industry's already moving the needle.
That's just one piece of it, though, Joe.
Here's where it gets even more fucked up.
This is how crazy this shit is.
It just happened with thyroid medicines, okay?
Animal-derived thyroid has been around since 1890.
We have compounded it for over a decade.
I have had not one adverse event in a day, not fucking one.
We ship 6,000 bottles of medication a day at my pharmacy revive.
We have had minimal side effects in literally over a decade.
Big Pharma has lobbied the FDA to say these thyroid medicines are dangerous.
We need you to shut down animal-derived thyroids.
Why?
Because they're attempting to launch a thyroid medicine and they want the thyroid labeled as a biologic.
Why would you label it as a biologic?
Because by labeling it as a biologic, you subvert President Trump's mission to reduce the price of a drug because it's not a drug.
I'm selling you a biologic.
So now I can bin you over the barrel and screw you again on the price.
Here's where it runs even deeper.
This is where it gets crazy.
A patent on a drug is usually five years.
Do you know what the patent life is on a biologic?
12 fucking years.
So Eli Lilly, all of the Novo Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to put pressure on the FDA to reclassify drugs as biologics.
They want GLP1s as biologics.
They want HCG as biologics.
They want all of these amazing compounds that we've been providing for people for over a decade to all be reclassified as a biologic.
And that is the fucking straw that will break the camel's back, the final death blow to telemedicine and compounding pharmacies.
Because the third part of the equation is you cannot compound a biologic.
The FDA's stance is it is illegal for me as a compounder to compound a biologic.
So now you give a monopoly to big pharma.
You get rid of all price competition in a market where the president's main goal is to reduce the price of drug costs.
If you want to reduce the price of drug costs, the way you do it is through competition.
And we saw it with the GLP1s.
The only price concession that any of these motherfuckers have given the American people in the last 20 fucking years is because the pressure of an open market.
People quit going and buying these retail drugs at $1,300 a month because they couldn't get the dosage they wanted.
They're getting titrated up to these mega dosages that are causing muscle wasting, bone mineral density loss, loss of vision.
There's a $2 billion lawsuit against these scumbags right now.
And I'm sorry, I've bit my tongue historically and tried to be like politically correct to an extent on here, but I can't do it.
Like this is insane.
And I go back to if RFK and this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened.
So I texted the secretary and his team and I said, I have to ring the bell on something.
And I've educated them on what's happening and all the moves that are being made.
And the FDA was reviewing in a court document that nobody knew about.
This is the problem with having 70,000 employees.
There are legacy employees that have tight collusion relationships with industry that have been there 20 fucking years that they're going to do what you let them do.
And their offense is you run the big pharma offense.
We're going to obstruct compounders.
We're going to prevent telemedicine.
We're going to push people back to sick care.
We're going to launch drugs into the marketplace.
And let's look at the history of safety, Joe.
If we look at, again, I'm going to keep hammering on Lily.
Lilly in a lawsuit against Mochi Health last week at a federal judge is suing Mochi for using GLP1s for weight loss.
And their claim is you are violating our patent, which you're not because it's patient unique.
You are, and it's a peptide, which is naturally found in the human body.
And you didn't create the peptide.
The NIH did, our taxpayer dollars, because we fund the NIH.
That's where all of these originated.
Out of the last, there's so much, but out of the last 210 blockbuster drugs between 2010 and I think 2016, 210 blockbuster drugs.
How many of those do you think Big Pharma started at Big Pharma versus started at the NIH?
And my argument to the FDA in this meeting was these compounds are safe.
One, they're safe.
They're naturally occurring in nature.
They're prescribed under the supervision of a board-certified clinician.
They're compounded at a compounding pharmacy that is inspected by the FDA, right?
That you've inspected me three times in 18 months.
All of our API and ingredients are sourced from the same exact suppliers as Novo and Lilly and all of the big pharmaceutical cartels.
We all buy the ingredients from the same places.
The only difference is, and this is what I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and me and Eli Lilly is I actually manufacture and produce my product here on American soil and employ over 500 hardworking American people.
Ask Big Pharma why they're moving all their facilities to India and Ireland to escape the scrutiny of the FDA.
They don't want you in their factories.
They don't want you able to challenge them or stifle their ability to print cash, right?
I can't play by those rules.
I can't jockey that.
The state of Texas is currently suing Eli Lilly.
This came out.
Kim Paxton sued Eli Lilly like three weeks ago because of fraudulent activity where they were providing kickbacks to providers.
And this is important too.
If you have a clinician and you go to your doctor and they will not prescribe you a medication, you need to understand you, the patient, get to decide where that prescription goes.
Not your doctor.
That is not your doctor's decision.
So when a doctor says, I'm not going to let you go to a compounding pharmacy, you need to fire that fucking doctor.
That is not their choice.
They cannot force you to go pay $1,300 at CVS.
That is not their choice.
And there are academic institutions like Methodist Hospital that have policies that say, we're not going to prescribe compounded medicines on GLP1s.
You've got to go to the retail drug because we think compounds are dangerous.
Where is this coming from?
In this court document I was going to that just came out last week, Eli Lilly sued Mochi Health, claiming that they're violating the corporate practice of medicine.
So they're not just attacking the compounding process.
They're also trying to obstruct via the FDA and they're now suing everybody in their mom in this industry who compounds or runs a telemedicine practice.
And Lilly is challenging that telemedicine is legal.
Eli Lilly is literally challenging that telemedicine is legal because one of the ways that so many patients are getting accessibility to cost-effective care is telemedicine.
And Lilly thinks if we can shut down the pathway of telemedicine, we can force them to our own company, which Lilly launched their own little telemedicine branch that you can call in.
But in the meantime, they're claiming that these companies are violating the corporate practice of medicine.
I get that message from this individual at the FDA and I thought, I'm going to wait and see.
I hope this person's wrong.
Let's see what happens.
And when we were in Europe, I get a call from another source that said, hey, they're doing it.
In a court document, the FDA is going to make a stance that says there is no medical necessity for peptides, which would ineffectively, in effect, ban over 50 peptides that have been being compounded.
Now, remember, they already put, I think, over a dozen peptides on a bulks list a year ago.
That's all separate from the GLP-1.
Why did they do that?
Because of the lobby of Big Pharma.
You have people at the FDA who are legacy employees of the FDA, who have legacy relationships with big pharma.
We've already gone over how many heads of the FDA have gone to work for industry and then come back to work for the FDA and then gone.
It's a revolving door.
They're swapping spit.
They're lobbying together.
They're going to dinners together.
They're spending time together.
And the CEO of Lilly is up Trump's ass.
I was with another high, high, high level person at HHS.
And their phone kept ringing.
I swear to God, kept ringing.
And they looked at their phone and they go, God, man, these people from Eli Lilly are aggressive.
And all of this was happening in the dark.
And so what we can do is what we're doing.
This podcast, getting President Trump's attention, gaining the attention of Secretary Kennedy and the team at the FDA.
And Secretary Kennedy and his team are playing whack-a-mole, you know, because it's, you got to think, it's not just the FDA.
It's the CDC.
It's the NIH, 80,000 employees.
I think they have 200 appointees from the new administration.
You got, you're literally, it's like the Spartans versus the Persians.
You got 200 hard hitters trying to fight 80,000 people that have been co-opted.
And I'm not there to say all those people are bad.
There's a lot of good things that have been done at all of these organizations.
But there's also a natural innate bias when a big chunk of your funding pivoted in the 90s, where over 60% of the FDA's funding is based off fee schedules.
And those fee schedules generate the revenue that create your jobs.
And you have an open door policy to meet with the FDA, but you're not meeting with compounders and you're not reading the emails from compounders, right?
And so when I told the FDA, what made you decide this backlog was over, they said, well, industry told us they could meet the need.
And I said, okay, well, did you see the email I sent you where we contacted over 30,000 pharmacies for 12 months and they can't meet the need?
Less than 6% of prescriptions were available.
They cannot meet the need.
They're going to force people to higher dosages and it's going to cause a catastrophic health consequence to the American people and it's going to bankrupt our systems.
Did you not see these emails?
And they just sat there dead quiet.
And so jump forward.
I get when that in a court document and it's all in, it's all in secret, right?
All this shit happens in the shadows and then they play dumb.
Oh, we didn't know.
What do you mean?
We didn't understand.
That's just a court document, Secretary Kennedy.
Bullshit.
It's a court document that sets precedent.
And that precedent says that peptides have no medical necessity while at the same time, you have big pharma trying to patent 140 fucking peptides as biologics that we were already making for the last decade.
Because all of the adverse events that have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events, which aren't even that many, came from black market peptides.
And that's what Lily's, Lily in the court case two weeks ago presented to the judge all the adverse events and the judge said where are they and Lily said right here in this Reddit forum I swear to God and the judge said are you really telling me that your documentation of adverse events is coming from a Reddit forum you should send them to the flat earth reddit forum let's see what else is going on so that's just like a sliver Joe like a fucking sliver of
I've been living with one of my favorite narratives is that they're trying to do good That's one of my favorite narratives one of my favorite narratives whenever there's any sort of a large-scale government Organization is that we are trying to protect people from harm.
They're fucking never No one is trying to protect you everyone at every level of the government whether it is about climate change whether it's about Geopolitical relationships, whatever the fuck it is.
It is all about money.
There's not a single thing that you could point to Well, the government really cares here This is the one.
This one is a large, huge, corrupted organization that really cares.
And that's why peptides don't have any of these things.
Again, we're synthesizing short-chain amino acids found in our body that we're deficient in.
And so as we begin to see a precipitous decline in all of these raw elements that allow our bodies to heal and recover, we can bring you back to a state of homeostasis through the utilization of peptides.
And Big Pharma is realizing they got beat to the punch and they're scrambling to capitalize and monopolize this entire sector.
And the only way they can do that is to try and horse trade with President Trump and the administration and pretend like they're going to play the game, but they're not going to play the game.
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So the message that Secretary Kennedy gave me, and this is where I'm like, it isn't woo-woo.
It isn't bullshit.
I can tell you, I've texted that guy two times in my life, and both times he's called me within 10 minutes.
And I texted him, I said, I have an emergency.
This is a big deal.
I want to make you aware of something that's happening at the FDA.
And he called me and said, what's going on?
And I laid it out for him.
And he said, what the fuck are you talking about?
Basically, I had no idea.
And it's not.
Again, he's playing whack-a-mole.
He's got 500 fires.
You've got some legacy employee at the FDA that's going to try and make this statement in a court document that's flying under the radar because it's not an overarching policy, right?
And then even in the subsequent meeting, so RFK said, give me 10 minutes.
10 minutes later, I'm on calls with the FDA.
Then he's like, how soon can you come meet with the FDA again?
So we said an emergency conference call.
I do a call with the FDA.
He said, again, Secretary Kennedy's team said, they're going to approach this with an open mind and an open heart.
And it's going to be a different tone than the last meeting.
And I'm going to try and attend that call or have one of my staffers attend that call.
Okay.
The call went down at like eight in the morning when he was in Alaska.
And then another mole leaked to me because I have moles.
I'm playing the game they play now.
I'm not going to fuck around.
And my mole called me and said they scheduled the meeting early because they knew he'd be in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be on it.
And that call did not go well.
It was a bunch of legacy FDA employees basically saying, we're going to stay the course.
We're not opening peptides up to the American people.
And so I had to text his team and go, hey, I call it and go well.
And then they're like, R Intel's telling us the same thing.
And so he stepped in and said, this is a mandate.
We are not going to dictate to the American people that they can or cannot use preventative care and peptides.
This is a mandate.
You need to figure this out and we need to open accessibility and we need to bring peptides back for the American people through safe, compliant, compounding pharmacies, not black market, which is springing up everywhere.
We're going to have another opioid crisis.
I explained this to them too.
Everywhere out there, there are peptides that you can buy online now with no checks and balances, with no FDA inspection, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any contamination, cross-contamination.
They're even doing it right now, making it look like the world's turning.
I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders tweeted, RFK's got to go.
All these people.
But the truth is, last week they announced the approval ratings and RFK is up seven points in the approval rate, the highest rating of any elected official.
The American people are not turning on RFK.
Even the CDC debacle that people are turning into the news is making out to be a debacle.
You lost legacy employees.
You lost this dude wearing sex gear and shit on covers of magazines who wants everyone to get Hep B. Nobody's saying you can't vaccinate kids.
So do you know that the CDC, this is these are just, there's so many fucking crazy stories.
The CDC was created in World War II to stop the malaria spread.
Okay.
And the first thing they did was ink a deal with a little chemical company called Monsanto, where they began to dump DDT into all of these countries to try and kill malaria.
And they spread an array of health issues that lasted generations and gave immunity and did all these things.
That was the foundation of the CDC.
And where it gets even crazier is guess how nobody talks about this shit.
Do you know where the CDC's headquarters is?
Their headquarters in Atlanta was gifted to them by Coca-Cola.
The CDC to this day is in a fucking giant building that was given to them by Coca-Cola.
And in a FOIA request, there is a fucking email from one of the executives at the CDC.
I don't remember like the 70s or 80s, where they're literally going back and forth with Coca-Cola and saying they're going to do all they can to shut down this bad information on sugar.
It runs so deep.
And then you go to the EPA.
You go to the EPA in its relationships with Monsanto.
The EPA in a FOIA request.
One of the heads of the EPA with regards to glyphosate in disclosure documents literally sent an email saying, if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a fucking medal.
All of this shit's out there.
I put all of it on the website.
You can go find all of this stuff.
It is there.
And so systematically, FDA, CDC, EPA, NIH, every one of these systems have been built, co-opted, corrupted, and developed alongside industry.
And even when you talk about chronic disease, so many people, there's a big podcast that dropped that if anyone, it gets into antidepressants.
And a lot of people don't know this because I want to quantify peptides because you're going to have academia go, well, the difference is drugs are investigated and peptides aren't.
And there's no placebo-controlled double-blind studies.
One, there are.
There's a lot.
And we can systematically break that down too.
They just haven't gone through an FDA approval process because that costs $2 billion.
Well, who established $2 billion to bring a drug to market?
Big Pharma told the FDA, let's build this model, right?
So then they capture the molecule at the NIH level, bring it to phase two and three trials, bring it into human trials.
The cost of doing that is not what they make it out to be.
And then it's a pay-to-play system and it's an obstructionist system that stifles and prevents innovation because if I'm a biotech startup or a compounding pharmacy or a stem cell company or a peptide company or anybody who wants to get into that space, I am going to be forced to sell my company at some point to Eli Lilly or Pfizer or one of these big conglomerates in order to get it through the FDA approval process.
I can't afford $2 billion.
And so what you've given Big Pharma is the keys to the Ferrari.
And they control all the Ferraris that hit the marketplace.
But then they co-opt and corrupt the data.
So here's an example.
When we talk about science, follow the science, follow the evidence.
I worked for Eli Lilly.
That was my first job out of college.
We sold antipsychotic drugs Iprexa.
Patients would come in and doctors would say, Brigham, I don't know what's going on, dude.
This lady put on 30 fucking pounds in like literally a month.
This is not good.
There's something going on here.
And so when we go back to the main goal, safety, where was safety on that drug?
Out of 12 blockbuster drugs in the last, I think, 15 years of Eli Lilly's history, 10 of them have black box warnings.
Black box, the harshest warning you can get.
The studies oftentimes don't represent long-term data.
And the studies oftentimes aren't looking at all of the multi-faceted aspects of human nature and life, like comorbidities and what other medications are these people taking and how do all these impact each other.
Average Americans on four or more prescription drugs.
All right, so I want to lay out for the antidepressant because this one's crazy.
How do you think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health disorders?
And I'm not, I want to be clear.
I'm not saying that these disorders don't exist.
And I'm not saying that there is not a medical issue with patients.
Eli Lilly, Pfizer, everyone's launching antidepressants into the marketplace under the guise that these serotonin, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs, are going to fix your chemical imbalance in your brain.
The measuring stick to decide whether you're depressed or not was a questionnaire developed by a consultant for Pfizer.
A doctor who worked for Pfizer developed that test, and the goal of the test was to simplify depression so simplistically that any primary care in America could prescribe an antidepressant through a simple questionnaire.
They set the rules, they set the protocols, they set everything, but there's no quantifiable data that says that that actually is.
If you follow depression, when did we skyrocket in depression?
When did depression skyrocket?
It skyrocketed in the 80s.
What happened in the 80s?
We moved to an ultra-processed food diet.
There is more compelling evidence that most depression is tracked back to insulin response and eating ultra-processed foods and sugary foods than any other aspect.
We're all going to go through highs and lows.
We're all going to have tough times.
But when we're systematically, chronically inflamed and poisoning our bodies through our food systems.
When I was a lily rep and they're talking about Prozac and we're going to cure depression.
And depression's caused by a serotonin chemical imbalance in the brain.
We now know all that's hogwash.
We don't really know what was causing the depression, the anxiety, and all these cascade effects.
In their own retrospective studies of every SSRI on the market, what we now see is on a 52-point depression scale, SSRIs score two points higher than placebo.
Two points higher.
It's not statistically relevant.
It fails to differentiate statistically from placebo.
There are two things that do differentiate from placebo.
Exercise is five times more potent than placebo or an antidepressant in studies.
Red light therapy is even higher, two times higher than any antidepressant that's ever hit the market.
But now you've put a person in a chemical straitjacket where you have wrecked their system.
You have now created more harm than good.
And so step one in medicine, do no harm, right?
Step one for the FDA, make sure these drugs are safe.
They're not safe.
Even there were lawsuits in the early days of suicidal ideation and violent thoughts because a lot of the pharmaceutical companies tried to hide that they were seeing in trials that children were having suicidal and violent thoughts in the early days of being on SSRIs.
Because it numbs the emotions.
It shuts down the emotional response.
It damages relationships.
These are catastrophic things that you're giving these people for what?
You would think that if there's something that correlates, if there's a correlation, if there's like some statistical thing that you can look at, it's like, oh, wow, this is kind of crazy that this one particular medication is involved in almost every mass shooting.
And when you say mass shootings, like here's the thing that gets thrown around about when we talk about like mass shootings.
Mass shootings, the problem with the statistics is it connects gangs.
You have gang, like what happens in Chicago every weekend.
Like last weekend in Chicago, 54 people got shot.
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People say, Trump is doing a terrible thing bringing the National Guard.
But when you're talking about school shootings, that's a different thing.
So school shootings get you find almost all mentally ill people.
And whatever Phil, we don't, you know, you don't have to politicize it, but it's all mentally ill people who are almost all of them on psychiatric medication.
I mean, every single one of them, all the way back to Columbine.
But yet no one brings that up.
That seems insane.
And that seems completely co-opted.
If you have an industry that is literally sponsoring the fucking news on CNN, literally proudly, not even hiding it, right?
Brought to you.
They want everyone to know that they're sponsoring the news.
And, you know, the way it's been described to me, God, who was it, Callie Means?
Yeah.
Was saying, this is not so that they can sell more drugs on the news.
This is so that the news doesn't criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies, and they don't.
They avoid them.
They avoid it like the plague.
If there was like a similar situation with any other thing that was not sponsoring the news, like let's say cannabis.
Let's imagine that if cannabis was connected somehow or another to every mass shooting.
Do you don't think that that would be brought up?
Like fucking full court press in the front page of the New York Post and the New York Times and all over CNN and MSNBC, they would start talking about it.
If it was some masculine thing, like if it was testosterone, if it was like testosterone therapy.
So testosterone replacement therapy is involved in 100% of school shooters.
Jesus Christ.
They would be feminizing the world.
You boys need to eat more soy.
You need to get tofu into schools.
You know, we need, right?
We need to stop weightlifting.
No more weightlifting.
No more cold plunges because they increase testosterone as well.
No more, you know, no more fucking going outside in the sun.
Sunlight gives you vitamin D. Vitamin D increases testosterone.
And the challenge is that same level of money and power that they're feeding to the media is also happening in politics.
So like testifying here at the state level on these Maha bills.
Three bills got passed in the state of Texas, Joe.
I don't know if you've been following all that, but these bills, I mean, you would think, you would think we were asking to like, I don't even know.
Like the level of fuckery that went down with these bills was crazy.
So first off, industry didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell that we were going to get Maha bills passed in the state of Texas because it's so Republican intensive.
And a lot of these politicians have, you know, relationships and ties with industry.
And we're an industry-forward state.
And we always want to be an industry-forward state.
But we can make money without killing people.
We can make money without chronically and systematically poisoning people.
And, you know, we've talked about this a bunch of times, but it's a real issue.
I'm in favor of capitalism.
I think it's awesome.
I think communism sucks.
I think, you know, socialism is contrary to human behavior characteristics that we're all aware of, right?
I think we'd all agree on that.
However, when you have a system that's set up where it has to make more money all the time, there's only one way to do that.
You have to abandon ethics and morals or co-opt the fucking law, co-opt the rules, co-opt the regulations, make sure that you can continue to make more money whenever possible.
Big pharma is not really worried that compounders are going to take away their profits.
They're going to hurt their marketing on Wall Street, their shareholder pricing, right?
If there's competition, if they can shut down all competition and have a monopoly for 12 years on a compound, what does that mean for their shareholder price?
I'm not kidding because there's going to come a point in time where people realize there's got to be a way to abandon this ridiculous mindset that our country has been entrapped by.
Well, kudos to Rick Perry because him as a Republican former governor championing this is so huge because he has so many alliances with so many different people.
They'll go, well, God, Rick Perry is saying this.
And then on top of that, it's veterans that are being positively affected by this compound, by Ibogaine, by this psychedelic.
And to deny veterans is very un-American, right?
So if you're a Republican, good luck.
If you're doing something that fucks over veterans and they organize against you or people that support veterans organized against you, and not just veterans, anybody who's experienced violent crime, anybody who's experienced horrific things in their life, drug addicts, all these different things that can be fixed with this one thing.
And to me, all of this, all of this falls under one giant overarching theme.
Medical right to choose.
I don't think that the federal government should be shutting down people's ability, especially with compassionate use, like somebody who's terminally ill or who has nothing to lose.
And the data on mushrooms and psilocybin and its effects on depression astronomically show more compelling data than anything you're going to see in an SSRI or antidepressants.
And this is why all these fucking political hacks that are online saying he's dangerous.
This is why all these people are like tweeting and retweeting this stuff and thinking they're, some of them, I think, thinking they're being a good person.
Some of them are classically educated, you know, and they really don't pay attention to anything outside of mainstream news.
And they're lost.
And they think that they're doing the right thing while also playing ball.
Like you and I have covered testosterone and how that was a study in the 1930s that was debunked.
Then you had the Women's Health Initiative, which scared the hell out of women from estrogen and hormone replacement therapy, which led to them now getting on products that cause a cascade effect of other health issues.
Even if you look at, we covered depression, but now go to statins.
Nine out of the 10 folks who decided that were consultants for industry, industry, including Merck, who made Fossimax, which was an osteoporosis medication.
Over and over and over again, we can systematically go through every element of healthcare and break down how that system was captured and corrupted.
And I'm not saying doctors are bad.
Doctors are doing their best to navigate a system.
They're being taught in school systems that were built in this ecosystem.
And they look at it and go, there's even another person at the FDA that in a blog that they do talked about how basically preventative care is bullshit and that the only way is medicine.
And I'm like, if these are the people that are going to be controlling our accessibility and our healthcare system, it's terrifying.
And then he tweeted after we testified an image of like a 1950s Batman characters and was like, this is who they bring in front of Congress to testify.
And I saw that and I'm like, all the Joker and the penguin and all this.
So when I exposed him on the show, when I had that conversation with him about his own personal health, that was probably the most telling thing that he's ever been involved with because people got a chance to see, oh, these are the people that are telling you you have to take this medication.
People that eat junk food that don't work out, that are overweight and, you know, generally unhealthy.
When I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking about.
When I was testifying at the state level, okay, to remove ultra-processed foods and Cokes and soft drinks from food stamps because a large percentage of the money of our food stamps are spent on ultra-processed foods that are poisoning systematically these poverty-stricken communities.
We're just trying to reallocate the resources and change school lunches and mandate PE and mandate nutritional training and mandate that your doctor has to have nutritional training and mandate that in elementary school through junior high, you get nutritional training.
That's what these bills were about.
Okay.
While I'm in the middle of trying to explain to congressmen and congresswomen how detrimental a soft drink is, because they don't know.
I'm trying to just say, look, the difference between a very chronically ill diabetic patient and a healthy patient is literally about a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream.
Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar are in a Coke?
And as I'm in the middle of trying to say it, one of the congresswomen holds her Coke up in the microphone for effect.
And when you have a puppy, you realize like, oh, this is what kids are like.
Like, this puppy is insane.
So, I have Marshall who's out here today.
So, Marshall's almost nine, and Marshall's really chill.
I mean, he's got plenty of energy, super healthy, runs around, gets a lot of exercise in.
But this fucking puppy is off the rails.
I have videos of them playing.
Like, Marshall will pick up a toy, and then like Charlie will come over and try to grab the toy.
He's leaping at him, throwing himself through the air, diving underneath him, biting his face.
They're rolling around.
He's insane.
He can't sit down.
And then he crashes.
Then he wakes up, he pisses and shits, and then he wants to eat and then he wants to go at it again.
Take that, stick it in a classroom.
Yeah.
That's what you're doing with kids.
Kids are basically human puppies, and we're making them sit in these fucking classes.
And some of them, guess what, have more fucking energy than the other ones.
And they're more active and they're more physical, just like dogs, just like every other animal, every other organism.
And those ones will probably do great things if they find something that interests them because they have more energy and because they can blow off all the shit that doesn't mean anything to them, which is like a lot of the obligations weigh you down and take away your effectiveness of the thing that you actually enjoy.
If you have a bunch of things you're concentrating all of your time on that are basically bullshit, the thing that's really important to you, you don't have any resources to allocate to fix that thing.
So you're going to be less effective at it.
Whereas a retard like me can just fucking laser beam on things.
And I could just ignore every, I'll throw my clothes on the ground.
I don't give a fuck, dude.
I could live in a cave and I could just like lock down.
I think we're going to, you brought up lead, and I wanted to get into the one, the state of Texas stuff, which parallels and runs into the glyphosate shit.
If you want to talk about that, do you want to talk about that?
And so one of the things that's happening is at the federal level, they are looking to give big ag and big chemical immunity on all these chemicals they're spraying on our food.
And they're voting in secret.
This is another fuckery moment.
As part of one of the bills that's being reviewed by Congress, they are attempting to vote in secrecy where we don't know who cast their vote to cast unified immunity on any future lawsuit against glyphosate or atrazine.
And we do know, let's point this out, that the company, Monsanto, that manufactures glyphosate is the same company that created Agent Orange, is the same company that created DDT, is the same company that, with Bayer, tested their products on Nazi concentration camp victims, is the same company that pushed product into third world nations where they didn't have checks and balances and couldn't come after them.
And what's crazy is in Europe, in Europe, the allowable amount of glyphosate is literally almost one-fourth of what they're allowing in the United States.
And so the farmers and the lobbyist groups here in the state of Texas, when we tried to pass this food bill, okay, we shocked industry because candidly, it was the land of misfit toys.
It's literally me, and I don't mean that derogatory, but it's like, it's just a bunch of average Joes testifying against lobbyists.
And so it was me, an 18-year-old girl named Grace, who's a food advocate, my buddy Jason Karp, who owns like a food company, and then Dr. Hyman in the initial testimonies.
I think I texted you about it and then you talked about it on the podcast.
The American Heart Association came to testify against us because they didn't want Coke and Twinkies and soft drinks and ultra-processed foods removed from school lunches, SNAP programs.
People don't want to listen to their kids and they don't want to change the path that they're on because then they have to admit their whole life has been kind of stupid.
People don't want to admit that.
They don't want to admit that they're a buffoon.
People are so they cling so hard to their identity of being correct.
I know, but for people that are listening to this, if you find yourself in that little category, really that's the weakness.
The weakness is not in admitting that you're admitting you're wrong exposes that you are wrong and that's weakness.
No, the real weakness is not being able to admit that you're wrong.
That's the real weakness because then you'll look everybody's wrong sometimes.
Everybody does something wrong sometimes.
It's part of being a human.
Our brains are, it depends entirely on the interactions that you've had the day, how much taxes you owe that you don't think you're going to be able to pay your credit card statements.
You're fucking your wife hates you.
You think your friend might be fucking doing something shady in this business deal you guys got together.
You're all fucking stressed out all the time.
That's most of us.
People in these conditions are going to make mistakes.
You're going to not look at data that you assumed was correct and you're going to argue for something that was wrong.
And we found this a lot during the COVID days.
It was really hard for people that got shitty with me to come around and admit, like, oh, you kind of had a point.
There's a few of them that I lost forever and that have never admitted that they were wrong, never admitted that this whole thing was like they got caught up in a psyop.
You've referred me, not just you, just in general, people hearing this, but we have helped so many fucking people with long COVID vaccine-related COVID.
One of the people you, no, no, no, I honestly don't.
And one of the people you referred us, who's like a mega star, I didn't get his permission to talk about his, but so I won't say his name, but he literally sent me a long email saying thank you.
And you know, what's really funny is when people get mad at you, if you criticize the administration, like, well, this is what you voted for.
Like, no, listen.
Fuckface.
Nobody voted for people.
No, maybe a few people thought that some of the ICE raids, the way they're doing it, where they're showing up at Home Depot and just getting hardworking landscapers and just sending them back to Mexico.
Ed Calderon, who's an expert in the cartels, who was on the other day, he was explaining to me that they're getting kids that were brought over here when they were two and they've been here for 18 years.
So now they're 20 and they don't speak Spanish, but they're deporting them.
I certainly didn't think that they were going to do that.
If they said, this is what we're going to do, you know, all those kids that were brought over here when they were babies and been raised in America and have American friends and American jobs, we're going to send them to Mexico where they don't even speak the language.
Like, I don't control the, I can't control if Congress, and don't get it wrong, it is Republicans and Democrats, but it's going to take both of them colluding to pass this bill that will give immunity to chemical companies.
And one of the things I do want to point out, because again, line of sight in this, there's so many whack-a-moles and so much shit.
Donald Trump probably doesn't know this.
One of the things that I've been ringing the bell with with the FDA is that most of the ingredients in drugs are coming from China.
And if we're worried about China and the future of our relationship with China, we probably shouldn't be allowing all of our pharmaceutical companies to buy all of their ingredients from China.
But let's get into big chemical.
Glyphosate, we have banned, I don't remember the name of the Chinese company, but several states have banned this major Chinese agrochemical chemical company from spraying any of our crops because we don't want Chinese chemicals sprayed on our food.
Dirty little secret.
What percentage of Monsanto's chemicals do you think come from China?
So if you have a concern about national security, maybe we should stop letting Monsanto fucking systematically spray our food with a bunch of Chinese chemicals.
Not saying what he did in Ukraine was great, but for his country in that regard, like when you're a dictator, one of the things that's got to be great is you have the ability to go, oh, these people are fucking criminals.
Like, look what they're doing.
Oh, they're fucking over the health of all my people.
They're making it for their own profit.
They're making everyone else unhealthy.
And then they're gaslighting everybody.
And then they're in bed with all these fucking Congress people who they pay off because they fund their reelection campaigns and they fund their super patents.
What I was going to say is, this is where I was going earlier.
This is so crazy.
We, the land of misfit toys, a couple of us fucking every average day Joe's are going up against the American Art Association, HEB's lobbying group, Bucky's lobbying group, Coca-Cola, Pepsi.
They brought the fucking heat.
31 to nothing.
We got the vote through the Senate.
31 to nothing.
And then they said, holy shit, these assholes are going to pull this off in the state of Texas.
They descended upon Texas with lobbyists out the ass.
And I'm getting calls like, hey, can you come back to the Capitol?
Can you come talk to congressmen and congresswomen?
They're looking to kill the bill.
They're going to kill the bill.
It was the highest level of fuckery.
I had Senator Colehurst.
I had Lacey Hole, a representative calling and saying, they are pulling out all the stops, all the stops.
And they are telling congressmen and congresswomen, you're going to create food deserts.
And this is kind of, it was a little bit of a smart move by Lacey and Senator Colehurst.
We put glyphosate and natrazine in the bill to be listed as one of the substances that is known to cause harm.
Okay.
It isn't a food ingredient, so it was never going to make it through on the bill.
It was literally a smoke screen to provide ground coverage and a negotiation tool.
But it also allowed us to see who's against it and what politicians are going to support big chemical.
And these motherfuckers came out in the droves.
And one of the main guys from freaking a representative from Waco tried to kill the bill and turn the bill into a study.
He said, this shouldn't be a bill.
This should just be a long-term study.
And then industry came in and said, we should kill the bill at the state level and push it back to the feds.
We agree with you.
There needs to be reform, but let's push it back to the feds.
And so, but what people don't understand is we got the bills done.
We got three of these monumental bills done.
One of them require labels that disclose any banned substances in the state of Texas now have to be put on the front of a label, almost like a black box warning.
If your vaccines aren't causing damage, why are we giving you a blanket exemption?
It's yet another smokescreen from industry to protect their profits and shut down anybody from ever being able to go after them for the damages they cause.
Didn't I tell you that there was in they call them the Monsanto papers or whatever?
And in a FOIA request, there's this leaked document between the head of the EPA and Monsanto where he, this individual says, if I get this done for you guys, you owe me a medal.
So the problem, what I was getting at, is that I think we have set ourselves up or our population numbers in areas like Los Angeles and New York are so great that you almost need factory farming to provide those people with enough nutrition to stay alive.
Like it gets that weird.
Because if you get to numbers, right, if you get to 20 million humans that aren't growing food, all right, so they need to get somebody else, they've, you know, pushed off to someone else the responsibility of acquiring food.
All they have to do is give them currency to get that food.
That is a new thing with human beings.
This is a new thing.
It's a new thing where we do that with enormous populations.
And then, so what's the solution?
The solution is one of the most immoral and unethical solutions that anyone has ever come up with anything.
Stuff a bunch of animals into a fucking warehouse, have them piss and shit into a giant pond that you have outside that literally is probably poisoning the air around it for miles.
And then spray the fuck out of this monocrop agriculture because you've completely distorted what nature is and you've, you've got thousand acres of corn.
Like that never happens in the world.
All the animals and all the plants are supposed to kind of like intermingle in an ecosystem.
And for profit, you've decided to like set up this fucking Frankenstein lab where you just spray death juice all over the fucking corn and then you subsidize the farmers so that corn syrup is in goddamn everything, everything, including fucking salad dressing.
You know, and then you have canola oil, which is really just rapeseed oil.
And it's a disgusting fucking industrial lubricant that you're pretending is heart healthy.
And like, this is the system that we're in right now.
And most people want, you know, there's a giant percentage of people that have been educated by traditional media that think that everything that I'm saying is conspiracy theory nonsense from bro science guy, which I am bro science guy.
I have a degree in bro science.
But this is all just real, folks.
You're fucking poisoned.
And if you continue to eat that way, you're going to be doomed.
Your body's going to fall apart.
That's just a fact.
We know it.
We all know it.
Processed food diets are just, there's no one that can say they're good for you.
They're bad for you.
Here's the question.
Do we have enough stake in this?
Do we have enough people's understanding of the dire consequences where we can have a real conversation about how do we feed all these people ethically and morally?
Because right now we have ag gag laws where if someone, like I say, if you work at some slaughterhouse or someplace, you're not allowed to film the atrocities.
So if you show up at one of those horrible pig farms where they got these pigs like stuffed next to each other and shitting through grates, and then that, you ever seen that?
Yeah, if they're doing, if they're abusing the animals, like there's videos of guys that are working in slaughterhouse, like beating cows over the head and kicking them when they're down and slicing their throats and letting them squirm around.
Those kind of videos, you'll go to jail for filming them.
Really, what you're saying is, and we've talked about this, but I swear to God, like when Denise came on to WasteWell to help me start this thing almost 10 years ago, our conversation was, if we keep our moral compass, if we make this about people, this is the handica truth, man.
I can even have empathy for that because this is hard.
Like even running this company.
I'm under attack.
I mean, we have 500 employees.
I'm battling the FDA.
I'm battling the state of Texas.
We were worried about the DEA and it changing telemedicine law.
But then you still have competition.
And beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compounding pharmacies.
There's other telemedicine companies.
There's other telemedicine apps.
There's other AI driven.
And you're sitting here and I'm watching what the market's doing and I disagree with it.
And I've stood my ground.
And if I'm wrong, I let down 500 people.
If I get this wrong, I disappoint and let down 500 fucking people that believed in me, that took a leap of faith that have worked at these companies because I have refused to outsource care.
What I have seen when I came on this podcast, I guess almost four years ago now, the first time, we had this boom.
We had only managed like 7,000 patients.
I go on here and 20,000 people try to register in like a day.
And I'm like, holy shit.
And people are like, you guys suck.
And why can't you be in my state?
And I'm like, because to get into your state is a lot more complicated.
The way my competitors are doing it is they're just outsourcing to a telemedicine doc that has no training in this disease state.
And that to me is no different than big pharma.
If we're going to just push pills and one size fits all approach, how is that medicine?
That's not predictive, prevented, and personalized.
And the vision of this company was to be predictive, preventative, and personalized.
And I've had people try and buy us out.
And I've had people offer to buy us out.
And I could take a payday.
But I look at that and I go, we're barely scratching the surface.
And the day I sell, this thing is no longer what it is.
But, you know, I just, that's all I have to take now.
And I'm going to get my new blood work soon to see where everything's at.
I think I'm going to add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly niacin and then a bunch of other stuff that I was taking that really seems to have worked in terms of stopping macular degeneration, age-related macular degeneration.
I think that and the red light therapy has worked.
I don't use reading glasses anymore when I read my virtual money.
Well, it makes sense because all of these things are in an effort to refuel ATP and eyesight and ocular degeneration requires an immense amount of ATP.
And as our cells begin to degrade, those are the first cells that are going to go and begin to lose their functionality.
I asked him and his mom if I could talk about this, Jesse Michaels.
So Jesse's dad is older and he's suffering from dementia.
And they flew down here.
I said, just get him down here.
And again, it's very nuanced.
We did a lot of things.
He was here for three days.
They're academics.
Jesse's brilliant.
You can tell that kid's brilliant, but his parents are brilliant too.
They're psychologists.
And so both his parents are psychologists.
And his dad's battling dementia and has had a cognitive decline.
And they came in and his mom was a mega, mega skeptic.
And on day three, she came into the clinic with tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I got to thank the team that is here in Austin because those people are unbelievable.
We did, he was there for the three-day experience, which was like hyperbaric, cellular therapy, peptides, hit him with everything but the kitchen sink, like what we do with all these folks.
And we systematically red light, we did all of it.
But he's here for a three-day experience and we run him through these things just to see if we can launch him into like a healthier space going back home, reduce inflammation, help with all of these different aspects.
Hit him with GHK, hit him with BPC, hit him with stem cells, all of these different peptides and building blocks.
Anyways, she literally was in tears and hugged the team and said, for the first time in a long time, I had my husband back last night.
It was like the olden days.
Like we talked, we laughed, we hugged.
I had my husband back.
And she said, if it's just that, if all I get out of this is that one night, thank you.
Like, thank you.
And I talked to Jesse and he's like, my dad's doing the best he's done in months.
I'm not saying that these things are going to cure dementia.
Like, I understand the backlash against GLP-1s, but when titrated down and unique and proprietary to a dosage unique to that patient, and when stacked with things like hormone optimization and, you know, IGF, we can burn that fat off and maintain lean muscle mass.
And we're quantifying it because we have a DEXA at the clinic.
So anybody who comes in, we run them through a DEXA now.
We know their lean muscle mass, their body fat, and the goal is to preserve muscle.
Because I would argue more important than getting the body fat off, and this is the pivot that I've tried to get Jelly Roll to and other folks, the fat's going to come off.
Let's focus on building muscle.
If we can build muscle and help build leg strength and help put muscle on your frame, that is going to increase your metabolic burn rate.
That is going to put you in a better position for long-term health.
Don't make it all about the scale.
Make it about your body composition and how can we transition that composition to optimize lean muscle, minimize visceral and subcutaneous fat.
But we don't want to give up a pound of muscle.
Keep all, it's a motherfucker to put that muscle back on.
But whatever this thing is going on, first of all, from a material science perspective, which is what Gary was here for.
Well, Gary was here to talk about his cancer research, first of all, which is fascinating.
And then amazing stuff.
Like, very interesting.
Then we started talking about how this was sort of an accidental introduction.
Someone brought to him a piece of some kind of a craft supposedly that crashed and said, could you analyze this and find out what this is?
Probably.
I don't know.
One of them, a piece, was brought to the Art Bell show.
They said that was from a crash from like the 1940s.
But this piece that had a direct chain of evidence so people knew where it was from a crash from the 1960s in Brazil, it was made out of almost pure silica.
But the magnesium, the ratios, the isotope ratios and the magnesium had to be from a place that was experiencing what is the equivalent of a neutron bomb going off every two minutes for 900 years.
Right.
Like this is not like, this would be hyper difficult to make today.
And then there's this alloy that they found where there's layers at like an atomic level that this has been like a 3D printed alloy with like levels of these metals that don't occur organically.
And this is from 1970.
Like this isn't possible today with human beings in 2025.
No one's making that shit.
There's not a fact.
You would know.
Someone would have heard about it.
Unless there's some blacklisted military operation deep in the Nevada Mountains that no one knows about that's doing some crazy super funded shit that they lie to Congress about.
Okay, maybe.
But in 1970, were you doing that?
Did you have that alloy in 1970 that we can't make today?
And I was like, we didn't want to talk to me about this.
And we never even talked about it.
We never even got into the conversation.
But we got into aliens.
And we got into, which, you know, I think that good and evil are real things.
I think they're real things.
And I think there's this very big struggle, both on a micro and a macro scale.
I think internally, there's a battle of good and evil.
You know when you want to do something good, but you can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good thing.
And then you feel better because of it.
This is like a weird, it's not like it's impossible for you to go into evil.
If the situation was that you were, you know, in another time, in another part of the world, in a horrific war, and you had to raid a village because everyone else is raiding the village.
And you have to kill everybody because everybody else is killing everybody.
That's a part of us.
But there's a real struggle between figuring that out.
I wonder if that exists with some other beings from somewhere else.
And this is where you get into biblical depictions of gods and angels and demons.
And you go, well, what are we really talking about?
If these people were trying to write something down to represent a real event that took place, we're looking at it in the framework of a society that believes in aliens because we've experienced space travel.
We know how to fly in planes.
We know how to fly to the stars and we know where this goes.
We know where this goes.
This goes to a better place where you get really good at it when then you come visit us, right?
So we know that.
But back then, they didn't know that.
They didn't know anybody could fucking fly, right?
So if they're experiencing angels who literally fly and devils and these fucking things that they find, like the Brazilian one from Virginia smells like sulfur.
I think this is, I think we are in a stage of our society where the growth is experiencing this confrontation with our nature.
Like the growth of intelligence, the growth of awareness is experiencing this battle with the fact that wars are still going on.
I think this is why there's a lot of shock in some circles about the public's backlash against what's happening in Gaza.
Like almost like they can't understand it.
Like you can understand.
How is this possible that someone's upset?
You're fucking telling me this is the only way in 2025 human beings can behave where you can bomb women and children and any opposition to that is anti-Semitic.
That's not flying today.
You can't do that today because this is a world.
So we are evolving, but we're not there yet.
We're not at a place where we have no war.
We're not at a place where there's no more murder.
We're not at a place where you don't have to send the National Guard into Chicago because there's 54 fucking shootings in a weekend.
I don't remember who it was, but in my mind, I look at it as kind of like what Graham Hancock says.
What if we reached a level of knowledge and sophistication, but there's a reset button?
And I know the cataclysmic events and all those things, and we know that happens.
And we know it happens, I think, every 70,000 years.
There's that.
It's historically going to happen.
But separate from that, when we look at the cosmos and we say, once you have the ability to generate a certain, reach a level two society, and you reach that level two society, then you can create enough energy to bend space and time.
And in theory, you could fold time and traverse the cosmos.
What if the reason there's not an exorbitant amount of intelligent life in the universe or the cosmos is you have to reach a certain level of spiritual accountability and knowledge and maturity before the technologic advancement supersedes that or advances past it, right?
Because right now, if you gave us infinite power, we're going to be fucking dead.
Well, we kind of certainly in that situation when it comes to nuclear bombs.
We have enough nuclear bombs to kill everybody over, and yet we're still making them.
Everybody on the planet, we can kill, and we're still so stupid that we haven't pointed at each other.
Right.
So if I was an alien, I would wait.
I think that makes sense that you have to achieve some sort of a spiritual connection, but that is just assuming that you stay human and that human is the only way to go.
You know, there's this very highly criticized video of Peter Thiel, which is kind of funny.
And when I was asking him any question on the podcast, he has these long pauses before he answers.
Is it part of his speech pattern, part of his thinking?
Well, the problem is he did that with the question of should the human race survive?
Yeah.
This guy was like, the answer is they should, right?
So the guy was like pressing him, talking to him like he's a regular person, instead of just letting this air out.
Are you pressed for time?
You've got an hour and a half to talk to this guy.
Let him talk.
But the problem is we are awesome.
And I love all the things that we do.
I love how we create art and food and we create fun and comedy.
We're fun with each other.
I love human beings.
I love our creative ability.
I love all the things about us.
But this is not the only way that a life form can exist.
And the idea that we have to stay this forever, although I love us, seems kind of silly.
But this is like going back to Australia Pythagoras and go, bro, fucking sticks and stones for life, bro.
Fuck a house.
Okay, bro.
I'm down with all.
No, that's ridiculous.
That's crazy.
And what's the next logical step for an organism that is experiencing technological advancements far beyond anything that any other organism on the planet has come anywhere close to?
This comes from trying to acquire resources because you want to stay alive.
All those things have been hijacked.
All these human reward systems have been hijacked and monetized and then stuck into this corporate structure where you have to make more money every quarter.
When you do psychedelics, ego sheds and you go, there is no me.
Like, there's us.
We're in this together.
And every time I think I'm trying to be a good person, there's never a time I've done a big dose of psychedelics and not thought about something I didn't mean in third grade.
Or like, I got to be better.
I have to be more patient.
I can't lose my temper.
I'm like, God, man, I really wish I wouldn't have lost my temper over X. Damn.
Because what we're getting, what we're getting with humans is the blues.
We're getting Charlie Crockett.
We're getting Sturgil Simpson.
We're getting with humans.
We're getting beauty.
We're getting amazing voices.
We're getting paintings that make you go, fuck.
We're getting muscle cars like, dude, look at this thing.
We're getting with humans, we're getting all this amazing stuff, but we're also getting Gaza.
We're also getting Ukraine.
We're also getting the fucking banking, the housing scandal from 2008, the collapse.
We're getting evil shit.
We're getting demons.
We're getting, you know, the fucking, we could go down the line with medications and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals and pollutants and all the different fucking scams that are running out around in our education system.
All of this is because human beings are capable of deceit.
All of this is because human beings have these reward systems that are built in from us being territorial apes.
And we're all so attached to those things because they make great barbecue.
Because a chocolate milkshake is fucking delicious.
Because I do like pulling into P. Terry's and ordering a double bacon cheeseburger on a boat.
It doesn't mean that this is the only way to go.
And I think we have to abandon that.
Just like you have to abandon the idea of not having a cell phone anymore.
There's going to be something that happens in our lifetime that allows us to communicate with each other in a different way.
And I think it's going to be mind to mind.
And I think it's going to be through this interface.
And it gets really challenging.
It's going to get really challenging as to how do you know whether or not that interface is controlled?
Is there a decentralized system where we realize that the power structures that exist right now in terms of big tech, you cannot allow that?
We've shown that they're terrible with censorship.
We've shown that they're terrible with dictating narratives and with siding with corporate structures that are doing things that are absolutely detrimental to people's health and well-being.
And they're doing it and they're lying and they're using bots.
And so we know that that exists right now.
And if we have that controlling the mind, literally the hive mind of the world, that's not good.
Amanda already has fucking headphones that she brought to Europe where you speak in one language, you give the person the other headphone, it tells them in English in their language and then translates theirs to English.
So if you're a human being and you're telling a true story and you're telling it for centuries before it ever gets written down, right?
And then it gets written down in one language.
It gets translated into another language.
And then you get a couple of rabbis who decide way back, like what year was it where they took the book of Enoch out of the canon, right?
They decided because it was from a rival faction from the Qumran people.
Those are the ones who believed in Enoch.
Well, fuck those people.
Those guys are assholes.
Let's get it out.
So that one story that throws the whole thing, like they had to teach that in the Bible today.
If you went to Sunday church and they were talking about the watchers coming down and breeding with female humans and providing sorcery and metallurgy and teaching them agriculture, like, what are you saying?
Instead of this one very compelling story about Jesus Christ, which is very compelling because there's no human beings historically, like even like if you're a Muslim, some of the things that Muhammad did, a lot of people are like, hey, this is kind of crazy.
He married a nine-year-old.
Hey, this is kind of crazy.
Like, what are you, like, he's a warlord?
Hey, this is kind of crazy.
Like, with Jesus Christ, it's very weird.
Like, you have this insanely peaceful person in a time of ultimate chaos where the Romans are literally taking people that they don't like and pegging them to a fucking cross.
It is very fascinating because anybody who's Christian, like, that's bullshit and blasphemy, and you don't know the canon.
You're right.
But you got to throw the human being filter into the equation always.
Look, there's some things about the human being filter that are really fascinating.
Like one of the things that Wes Huff told us when he was on the podcast is explaining that the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls, which they didn't even know existed.
When they translated it, they found out it is 1,000 years older than the book of Isaiah that was thought to be the oldest version of it.
And they're identical, verbatim, word for word.
So that's where it gets crazy, right?
So there's something about once it's written down that the true devotees, and as long as you don't get some asshole rabbis aside, get that book of Isaiah out of there or get that book of Enoch out of there.
There's a few that we're humans.
The human cat shit filter gets in the way.
And you get human interaction with this and then you lose some of the story.
Over just a small amount of time, historically, when you compare all the other animals on the planet, no other animal experienced anything remotely like the doubling of the human brain size.
But we were already pretty fucking clever, pretty clever monkeys.
You know, monkeys have little languages.
They tell each other when hawks are nearby.
They scream.
You know, they've shown that some monkeys will trick other monkeys into getting away from the fruit.
They'll yell out that there's an eagle, and then those monkeys run to get away from the eagle, and then that monkey runs and gets the fruit.
Yeah.
So they have a language.
They have deception.
They're clever little fuckers, but they ain't shit compared to us.
You know, you go from monkey to Elon Musk and you're like, what happened?
Maybe that wheel within a wheel where this thing is coming out of the sky and you can't even understand what he's seeing.
How come so many people have these, just because I haven't had that experience doesn't mean that that's not a real thing that's happened over and over.
And there might be a reason why I haven't had that experience.
First of all, I have too big of a platform and a big fucking mouth.
And I'd probably ruin the whole party, but I wouldn't even because no one would believe me.
It would just be one more thing that you ridicule.
And when you ridicule people for these experiences that you haven't had yourself, you got to wonder, like, what if they're telling the truth?
I saw Jamie, Chris Ramsey, was doing all this crazy, fucking amazing magician illusion shit, and Jamie's like fucking calling him out on everything he could figure out.
He's done like these brain scans and tests on military personnel who are trying to qualify for disability, and every single one of them have this brain anomaly.
And his thing is, is the brain anomaly an antenna that makes you more receptive or able to pick up on these things?
I just look at it logically and say there's so many inhabitable planets now in the cosmos.
And if any of those planets ever had a head start on life a few million years ahead of Earth, then there's a statistical likelihood that that life would have evolved into intelligent life over time.
With a big enough head start if you don't destroy yourself.
But what if they catch is if you don't destroy yourself?
And what if the test is, does your society reach a level of consciousness that is non-destructive before you become an off-planet species?
Well, my fear is the only way to do that is through technology.
My fear is that the only way to do that is to integrate with this great machine that we're creating right now, artificial general superintelligence, and that we're going to either have to merge or perish and that we're going to choose to merge.
And one of the things that's probably going to happen to us is all of these things that we love that we create with all of our imperfect human behavior.
All those things have to go bye-bye.
That's my fear.
That's why the gray aliens all look uniform.
They look all the same and they don't use their lips.
They talk with their minds.
And that's probably the future of the human race.
That's probably why it's there.
When you see that iconic image from Close Encounters of the Third Con, there's something about that that makes sense, right?
Because that goes, oh, I guess that's where we're going.
Because it seems like where we're going.
If you go from, you know, ancient hominids covered in hair, short and fucking gnarled over and fighting off predators to some nerd who works at Google right now who's deciding, you know, whether or not trans fucking activists who are protesting this or that should show up in your Google feed.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, that's that's where, well, where's he going after that?
I think that's part of what's going on with like this confusion with gender and the fact that microplastics are killing everybody's reproductive systems, killing everybody's endocrine system, significant drop in testosterone from the 1970s, significant increase in miscarriages.
We're criticizing normal femininity, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are celebrating women who assume roles in society of toxic men, which is CEOs.
We're celebrating a woman becoming more manly.
We're celebrating men becoming feminists.
We're celebrating men who are wearing that fucking BDSM outfit that that shithead was wearing.
And it's like he was posing with that outfit on.
I'm like, look at me, I'm free.
This is how I behave.
And I want hepbeat shots for all the babies.
Oh, my God.
Like, we're a society that's lost its fucking way.
Clearly, we've lost our way.
And what better way to find our way than a little thing you slip on over your head and everybody's locked in and everybody's together in this.
But who's going to control that fucking thing?
It has to be decentralized.
It has to be literally like connected to some sort of a hive mind blockchain.
It's the only way it's going to work.
It's never going to work if you have a corporation like Google or Meta or any other corporation that has censorship.
Like even these chat bots, ask chat bots about like racial statistics for homicides and things like that.
They don't want to profile.
They don't want to do that.
They don't want to give you answers on things like that that are really inconvenient and that people don't like.
Yeah, it's tracking everything that people are messaging and DMing.
The way I understand it and the way they were saying it is they were celebrating it as a good thing, but I'm thinking anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority reports.
If you're saying something that could be crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or anywhere on the internet or in Instagram or in a private chat, supposedly this is combing all of the internet, social media, everything to begin to assess mental health and predict analytics of seeing like if you could be a threat.
And you should have been able to cat.
Yeah, I'm like, then what the fuck are we headed towards?
It's going to be like the statistical algorithm says that you have a 70% chance of committing a violent crime today.
Well, we should be real clear then because I feel like I was talking about Palantir earlier and we're going to get sued.
So this is a different thing.
Israeli military surveillance agencies use a vast collection of intercepted Palestinian communications to build a powerful artificial intelligence tool similar to ChatGPT that it hopes will transform its spying capabilities.
Wow.
Okay, according to sources familiar with the project, the unit began building the model to create a sophisticated chatbot-like tool capable of answering questions about people.
It is monitoring and providing insights into the massive volumes of surveillance data that it collects.
And I swear there was an article after that shooting that they're going to start using it and rolling it out here to proactively protect us against potential threats.
Gather personal data of American citizens from various federal agencies, sparking concerns over privacy and potential misuse of personal data.
So what is it doing?
How is it doing this?
Oh, I don't know.
Does it say how it works?
No.
Capabilities of data organization and analysis could potentially enable the merging of information from various agencies, thereby creating detailed profiles of American citizens.
The Trump administration, profiles curated by who?
I say, okay, access extensive citizen data from the government databases, including bank details, student debt, medical claims, claims, and disability status.
Oh, you might be faking your disability, Brigham.
We might have to come knock on your door.
We don't like your tweets.
Oh, by the way, Graham Linehan, the guy who was on the podcast, got arrested when he went back to the UK.
The guy who was on the podcast, who was a beloved comedy writer from the UK, who was talking about the trans issue and how insane it is, lost everything, lost his career, like getting sued constantly.
Went back to the UK and they arrested him.
They met armed police, met him at the airport, and arrested him for tweets, for three tweets.
No, I don't think anybody should be in control of this country.
Okay.
Any one person.
But believe me, I don't.
I don't think anybody's good at it.
But I don't think you should let the same party that was propping up a dead man and was secretly doing shit behind the scenes, like using AutoPen to sign off on all kinds of executive orders that he didn't even fucking know what the details of were, which is explained.
We had that conversation with Mike Johnson, and he literally didn't remember signing it or thought it was something other than what it was.
I'm not in favor of keeping that.
That's all it is, folks.
And I am in favor of R.F. Kennedy.
And I think a lot of the stuff Trump believes in, like making America a robust place where manufacturing booms bring back American jobs are positive.
Graham Linihan has been arrested at Heathrow by five police, five armed police officers.
His crime was these three posts.
Look at these three posts.
So click on it and we'll get to see.
This is what he says.
If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent abusive act.
Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.
Comedy writer, also his opinion.
Can't have that in the UK.
So this one says, a photo you can smell, and it's all these people that are protesting.
I don't know what the context of this is.
The other one is, I hate them, misogynists and homophobes.
Fuck them.
So these three tweets are a problem.
So the idea of misogynists and homophobes.
You go, wait a minute.
No, no, no.
These are people that are LBTGTQ2 plus.
I know a lot of gay people that think that the trans movement is homophobic because it's saying, you're not gay, you're a woman.
And you're attracted to men, but you're a woman.
Well, if you just leave those people alone and don't cut their dick off, they most likely will be gay.
And there's data to show that.
So a lot of gay people, including Tim Dylan, think of this movement as being homophobic.
I know that's so counterintuitive for other people.
The idea of it being misogynistic.
Well, how is it misogynistic?
Well, what better way to harm women than to allow male predators to just tell you they're a woman?
I'm not a wolf.
I'm a grandma.
Put on the bonnet.
And now you're in the chicken coop.
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
And to say that you're protecting women, including trans women, is like, that's a new thing.
That's a new thing that you invented without taking into account perverts.
You didn't take them into account at all.
You didn't take into account sex offenders and psychopaths and mentally ill people.
You just said all trans women are women.
Well, you just opened up the door and gave a fucking free pass to psychos to wear a dress.
And if you don't want to admit that, that's misogynistic because you're not really protecting women because you think you by protecting, well, we have to protect all women because trans women are women.
Bro, I don't know, man, but he had to go to the hospital because his blood pressure spiked.
He went fucking crazy.
He's a good guy, man.
He's a sweetheart of a guy and super successful in the UK.
And he's been attacked because a lot of these people that are, you know, trans-identified, a lot of these people, they have a lot of mental health issues.
And there have also been people that have been fucked over by the system, including that last school shooter who said that they were upset that they got tricked into becoming trans.
And they wanted to cut their hair off.
They have all this hair.
They wanted to cut it off, but they didn't want to give anyone the satisfaction of showing that they were right, that you weren't really a woman.
I think this is pure evidence that our interactions are being co-opted.
And it's great evidence that a lot, this is the success of the programs that like Yuri Besminoff talked about in the 1980s, where they were talking about demoralization.
The goal wasn't the Russian goal in terms of what they were doing to America wasn't, you know, let's make sure that Donald Trump wins or let's make sure that Hillary Clinton wins.
That was not the goal.
The goal is to make people lose faith in all of these institutions, lose faith completely, demoralize them, demoralize them, keep them at each other's back, convince them all that they're racists and that they're homophobes and they're transphobes and they're this and they're that and they're Nazis and this keep them at each other's throats.
That's why this thing has become so, but the problem is then kids get caught up in it because it becomes a part of the zeitgeist.
It becomes a part of the culture.
You know, kids wear bell bottoms.
Kids do this.
I'm non-binary.
They just jump in.
They jump in because they want to be a part of a group.
So this goes back to what I was saying is going to happen to us.
If I was, I mean, obviously, I got to say it, but I've already said it, but I just got to say it so you know I'm not Peter Thiel.
I love us.
I love humans.
I love Peter Thiel.
He's a nice guy.
My interactions with him.
I mean, I don't know if he's evil.
I don't think he is.
I think all of these factors that are destroying our endocrine system, making us less sexual, all these confusions, society and culture and chaos and war, all of it is leading us to this leap that the only way to escape all this awful stuff that's on this side is to transcend.
And you transcend by integrating with whatever the fuck we're creating right now.
This Manhattan project that's going on right now between Open AI and Grok and then they're fucking sabotaging each other and stealing data.
Do you hear about that guy that left Grok and he downloaded the entire Grok database and then fucking sold it to ChatGPT?
The sweet relief of P. But so that's what I think is happening to us.
I think we're becoming some new thing.
And I think it's going to happen way quicker than we'd like it to be.
While no engineer sold Grok to OpenAI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer, try saying that name, for allegedly stealing Grok's secrets before leaving XAI to join OpenAI.
So Elon tweeted that he downloaded, XAI accuses Lee of downloading a large amount of confidential information and the full code base for Grok shortly before and after his resignation.
Internal investigations revealed that Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code database to OpenAI servers.
So they're doing that.
And then also, I think OpenAI had a situation when they believe that Chinese, some Chinese scientists had access to their data.
Like something happened where there was some sort of a breach of security, and they're pretty sure that China got access to all the stuff that they're doing.
If they've done that with everything else, why would they not do that?
OpenAI takes down ChatGPT accounts linked to state-backed hacking and disinformation.
State-backed threat actors from a handful of countries are now using ChatGPT for illicit purposes ranging from malware refinement to employment scams and social media disinformation campaigns.
Go back to the, look at it, stirring the social media pot.
OpenAI said it banned dozens of accounts and saw using ChatGPT to bulk generate social media posts consistent with the activity of a covert influence campaign or operation.
Many of the China-based accounts issued prompts in Chinese and sought responses in English on a variety of topics, including the shutdown of USAID, various sides of divisive topics within U.S. political discourse, backlash towards Taiwan, Pakistani activist, say that name, who has publicly criticized China's investments in Balochistan.
Would you even have ever thought that that was a real country?
That seems like Pakistan.
That sounds like something that the Game of Thrones guy would write down.
The account sought to create social media comments in English, Chinese, and Urdu that were found being posted on TikTok, X, Reddit, Facebook, and other social media platforms.
Yeah, this is the point.
Like this, we know that this has been going on, right?
We know that China has AI, Russia has AI, we have competing, there's Meta AI, there's Google Gemini, there's Grok, which is XAI, there's ChatGPT, which is OpenAI.
There's a ton of them.
There's perplexity.
There's a whole bunch of different AIs that are constantly right now in competition to see who creates God.
Well, so what you were saying earlier about the evolution of humanity and the direction we're headed, AI and that component, and there's that technological component, but there's also all the shit we're unlocking with CRISPR and the direction we're headed.
And we can now edit your genes.
And I could edit your genes with CRISPR to change.
So essentially, we would take a male sperm, a female egg, we create a clone, and we literally replicate that clone multiple times down the chain.
And we can now edit in roughly 20 points of IQ.
So through CRISPR, you can edit somebody's intelligence by 20 IQ points.
That's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein.
Now, what if you do that three, four, five generations down?
This is in Hacking Darwin, the book Hacking Darwin, explains all this and the direction we're headed and how you would be able to essentially, and China's already doing this.
And so then the problem becomes, go back to like ADHD in schools and stuff in the 80s.
When everyone starts creating, you know, little superhumans and everyone's going to look back almost back to Demolition Man, what we were talking about.
You create a baby in a test tube because you can edit out all the gene defects and all the issues in your genetics and optimize that child's success at living a healthy, happy life and minimizing chronic disease.
But if we just add a little spice here, we can make them twice as smart.
And the thing, like, China is so advanced with so many different technologies right now that most people are just not aware.
They're not aware.
And someone was describing that about how, God, I wish I remembered the podcast it was on, but this guy was talking about how essentially what goes on in China is, say, if they want to get into solar panels, if like they start producing solar panels, the government will get involved and say, we want you guys to make the most awesome solar panels.
And then they have this shark tank of people competing to see who develops the best solar panel company.
And only the best ones are going to survive.
And it's all funded by the smart idea.
It's a very smart idea.
And through that, they've developed the best drones, definitely the best electric cars.
Out of nowhere, China has the best electric cars.
Like by a mile, like by a country mile, dude.
There's nothing in America, even if you have like one of those.
But when it comes to technological innovation, they're way ahead of us.
So if they're ahead of us with that, if they run the same game on AI while we're all battling it out with each other and stealing each other's data, they're probably running that same game over there.
And if they really did steal all the ChatGPT database, did China have access to ChatGPT to Open AI's database?
Was it speculated that there was some sort of a breach?
Not only that, they're running around on AI talking about the problem of climate change and we need to do this, we need to do that while they're making fucking shitloads of coal factories in China.
It's like they're playing this multi-level game and they're using all of our cultural hotspots, all the things that we like to argue about, gay marriage and this and that and prayer in schools.
And you think it's organic.
You think people are really fighting in the street for all these things, but it's not.
It's other countries want us doing this, including our own country.
One of the wild things that Representative Luna said when she was here, one of the wild things, she said, there's a lot of problems they don't want to solve so that they could fundraise against them.
The biggest thing that I think about is I see just in my sector of healthcare and compounding how much AI is going to impact workplace and infrastructure and just reality.
Like at our pharmacy, you know, we have almost 300 people and we were looking at this software.
I needed to expand and hire more people.
I needed 200 people.
We can't hire fast enough.
And I'm looking at this and we're going, if we implement this AI, we can reallocate 200 people and not have to go hire 200 people.
And then we just get to promote the people who are already with us.
But at what point does the AI just get to a point where it's doing all of our jobs?
Like all of our jobs.
And it will.
Even in his own blog, he's talking about eight years ago how we don't understand that this is going to replace almost all jobs in America and everywhere in the world.
So he was having a conversation with someone where he was saying that one of his friends, he knows someone who's like an AI guy, and privately, he talks very different than he does publicly.
Publicly, he's talking about, oh, it's going to be amazing.
But in private, he's like, this is going to be crazy, and no one's ready for it.
And once they figure out haptic feedback, like legitimate haptic feedback, especially if there's some sort of an interface, if it doesn't have to be even installed, it was something that just clamps to your forehead and gets a reading on your brain the same way like when you look at your phone, it opens up because you do that stupid thing, the face ID.
Where you program the image of your phone on an iPhone.
It just recognizes you.
Oh, hello, Brigham.
Like it knows your brain signals.
And it's like, close your eyes and count back from 10, 9, 8, and then you see the whole consciousness sink down.
It does sound fun as long as we don't all, you know, it's going to be very fun, but there's always going to be some cunt that's controlling the entire system.
And this is why you have to have everything that it's got to be decentralized.
Everything has got to be like a blockchain.
It's got to be like Bitcoin.
It has to be like that.
It can't be.
There's a group.
Once it gets to this insanely potent computing power where it's a life form, you can't have anybody in the middle of it.
You're fucked because regular life, like if you're a fucking, if you're working at a deli, you know, you're just making tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out with the boys and, you know.
Well, then you go back to like what a lot of the UAP whistleblowers are saying that because I've gotten to meet a lot of these guys too, and they start saying that grays are synthetic biologics that are almost like hive mind avatars.
And again, I'm not saying I believe it.
I'm just saying it's interesting.
And like a lot of the stuff that's been in folklore forever now starts to make more and more like theoretical framework sense for why and how you would navigate some new environment.
Especially why you'd leave bodies and not give a shit.
But it's mainly if I really self-diagnose its ego.
I get frustrated and I go, it's all bullshit if it was real.
But there is a lot of kinks in the armor.
And if just statistically, I'm not saying that little green men are visiting, but there's statistically like a high probability that there's intelligent life out there.
And then statistically, did that life have a head start?
And did it escape whatever the problems are with natural disasters that we experience?
Because one of the things, if there is a reset in our society, it's usually because of an asteroid impact or a supervolcano blows off or a tsunami wipes out a city.
The society has to have developed technological capabilities that help negate all those things.
And so wouldn't a society like that be able to live in the ocean?
And if that's the case, maybe that's what's going on.
Because it seems like there's a lot of activity that takes place in a place where we've only explored 5%.
And that's the oceans.
And there's so many sightings of these transmedium crafts, including video of things going into the water with no splash.
And especially videos that were generated at a time where they didn't have the sophisticated CGI that they have today.
So, you know, if I saw that today, I'd be like, well, if that's from 2025, who fucking knows who made that?
The craziest thing he said, though, which I don't, I didn't fully understand on the podcast, is when he kept saying it knew our set point, it knew our set point or whatever, that's not programmed in anywhere.
He said that the amount of force that it would take.
So this thing is, let's just say this thing weighs two tons, which is like a car.
You know, like a lot of cars are like 4,000 pounds.
So this thing weighs two tons and it went from sea level to 50,000 feet above sea level in less than a second.
So whether or not that's even physically possible, the amount of energy that it would take to generate to move 4,000 pounds that quickly would be more than the total energy generated by the United States in a year.
That's when you start seeing all these things and then you layer in the Jesse stuff and all the work Jesse's done and his deep dives into history and FOIA documents and disclosures.
I treat it like it's fun because I really don't know.
I love the tridactyl mummies.
I'm fascinated by it.
And I think Jesse's, I think he deserves, you know, If journalism was really what it could have been today, if they had just sort of accepted independent journalism and celebrated it instead of saying like only corporate sponsored, mainstream, gigantic journalism is real journalism, which is obviously the opposite of what's true, Jesse would get an award.
If the world was just, he would get an award.
He would get an award for that particular show that he did on those tridactyl mummies because that is crazy.
When they did those scans and you see the ligament and guys like Gary, who is a legitimate scientist, like published at Stanford, who's looking at that thing and saying, this doesn't make any sense.
Like, this looks like a real creature.
Everything is in place.
We don't know what it is.
Is that a genetic anomaly?
Like, we have to study that.
This is a crazy opportunity to study.
And these folks just have it in Peru.
Just have a few of them laying around in the fetal position.
These fucking aliens with three toes and three fingers.
And it seems to be a real body.
And Jesse stuck his neck out and went down to Peru and filmed these things.
And they did these medical scans on them so you could see what the actual, what's underneath all that, you know, white tissue looking stuff.
Yeah, you look at it and it seems too convenient and too crazy.
But then when you watch him systematically break down and all these thought leaders and all these experts and all these different people giving their lens and then you see these MRIs and you're like, you didn't make those hands.
If they do a DNA, if someone lets them do DNA tests on those things and there's DNA to extract and they run a sequence on it, I bet we find out that we are like them.
The weird thing about the Peru stuff is not just the mummies.
It's the ancient architecture.
It's Machu Picchu.
You know, it's all these like really unexplained, enormous stones that were placed in incredible ways where everything is like tongue and groove, like where it would respond well to earthquakes, like a technology to avoid earthquakes with massive monolithic stones.
When you're looking at them, you're like, how did you move this?
Like, who did this?
Why did you have all these art projects where you could only see them from the sky?
And why do you have ancient artwork of these three-fingered, three-toed creatures?
Well, you have artwork from a thousand years ago of these things.
Like, it seems like they were a real thing living in that area.
And they were probably flying around.
And they were probably building Pumapunku and Machu Picchu.
It probably were us.
It's probably a version of us.
Like, if Neanderthal was alive and then it wasn't, and then we're like, well, we didn't even know that Neanderthal was a thing until we discovered, oh, it looks like it interbred with us.
Oh, it was a part of us.
So now we know that there's a Neanderthal, but 500 years ago, no one had any idea.
No one had any idea that there was like an ancient man that was bigger than us, stronger than us.
I know that Corbel and Knapp are, they say they've got, I think, six witnesses, including, I thought, first-hand witnesses that are going to testify this time.
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