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Joe Rogan Experience #2266 - Brian Simpson
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joe rogan
Train by day.
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Joe Rogan Podcast by night.
All day.
Little thing you say.
brian simpson
Like, imagine having to be that measured in everything you say all the time.
Just stick to the talking points.
joe rogan
Bro, that's my whole life.
brian simpson
That's stressful.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's super stressful.
Especially if you're a little intoxicated.
You know, you get a couple of whiskeys in you and you start talking shit.
You got to be responsible for every word that comes out of your mouth, even if it's stupid.
But, you know, I think people get it.
They get that people are human beings and they can stumble.
Like people, they forgave a lot of Biden stumbles until they were like, what the fuck?
You know, a lot of people like in 2020 were like, there's no way.
There's no way he's going to do it.
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He was too old to run when it was 2016. He's kind of always been known for the gaffes.
brian simpson
Because I remember when Obama was...
Picked him.
That was the number one concern was like, sometimes he's been saying shit.
joe rogan
He was famous to quote as Joe as, don't worry, Joe will find a way to fuck things up.
brian simpson
I never heard that.
joe rogan
Supposedly, it's hard to know what the quote was.
unidentified
But he got out of all of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's because the machine was behind him, right?
So he gets into office and you saw that Mike Johnson guy, the Speaker of the House.
He said that he had talked to him.
It took a year to have a meeting, and he finally had this meeting with him, and he wanted to talk to him about something.
And he said, why did you sign this executive order?
And it had something to do with liquid and natural gas.
He said, I didn't sign that.
He said, yes, you did, sir.
You signed it.
Can we get it?
And so he has the secretary print it up.
He brings it in.
He had never read it.
So he was just signing executive orders that he didn't even know.
He didn't know what it was about.
He thought it was about research, and it was about shutting it down.
So there's a bunch of people behind him that want to do things, and they think it's for the best interest of the country, and they're all acting as a big group that's like the puppeteer of the president.
And that's not how it's supposed to be.
It's not supposed to be that way.
brian simpson
But isn't it like that with every president?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Because I think when a president brings in a new cabinet, and the new cabinet starts doing different things, then you see what's happening right now.
Right?
So they've already found thousands of criminals that had snuck in here and had committed multiple crimes while they were here.
And the Biden administration had left them here.
And they allowed them to stay in these sanctuary cities and sanctuary states.
And Trump's just yanking them out and flying them back to Colombia and flying them back to Mexico and flying them back to wherever they're from.
Get the fuck out of here.
Exporting them in planes.
The Biden administration could have done this too.
brian simpson
Yeah, but I think they...
Every president to get in there, they do little shit different than the other side.
But at the end of the day, the big major shit that would help out the average people, that shit, it always just falls short a couple of votes.
joe rogan
Trump is talking about getting rid of income tax and replacing it with tariffs.
I asked him about that on the podcast.
I thought he was joking around.
Yeah, exactly.
He was saying that it would be better for the economy.
We'd have way more money.
If instead of you paying tax, these companies should be paying tax.
Like, why are they making such a killing off the American people?
brian simpson
But the companies would just charge us bigger prices, wouldn't they?
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
Could they, if we had American manufacturing that can make the same products?
No.
So the whole reason why...
brian simpson
You can't make the same products for the same price.
joe rogan
But if you have other countries charge tariffs, and I think we've charged tariffs in the past...
And it's an interesting thing.
It's like you make a trade agreement.
It's essentially a trade agreement.
And his position has always been that one side of the trade agreement was unbalanced and America does a stupid job at negotiating its trade agreements.
So he wants tariffs and everything.
That's what he threatened the guy from Colombia with.
He said – because they didn't want to take the prisoners.
The flights were coming over and he didn't want to give them approval to land.
He said, we're going to tax you.
We're going to tariff you 25 percent.
And then like in a week, we're going to jack it up to 50 percent.
And this guy wrote a poem to Trump.
It was the most ridiculous thing ever.
The guy's a wild dude.
brian simpson
That's the thing.
If you bring in the tariffs, you have to make them so high that the American goods were cheaper by comparison.
joe rogan
Well, you'd have to really ramp up American manufacturing in a lot of places.
We don't make phones.
That's one of the craziest things about America.
We can't make a phone.
We can't even make a phone.
brian simpson
We make mistakes.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, maybe we could make a phone.
Isn't there one phone that is made in America?
Is there one phone that's manufactured here?
I think there is.
brian simpson
I mean, even if it's assembled here...
joe rogan
Is it the nothing phone?
Is that it?
jamie vernon
I think it might be assembled here.
joe rogan
They still have to get shit from China.
They have to get shit from Taiwan.
They have to get shit from India.
Everybody gets their shit from somewhere.
brian simpson
The problem with American manufacturing is you can't do it for as cheap as you have to pay people.
joe rogan
No, our problem is, first of all, we're addicted to buying new shit all the time.
I have a bunch of phone lines, and one of my phone lines, I have an iPhone 11. It's like five years old.
I don't notice when I'm using it.
As long as it still works.
You don't notice on a normal experience.
What do I do with my phone?
I'm not fucking...
Making complex video rendering.
You know, what am I doing?
I'm watching YouTube videos.
I'm text messaging people.
You don't notice, right?
But we're force-fed this idea that you're supposed to get a new one every year.
It's one of the weirdest things.
You get a new TV every year?
You get a new computer every year?
Why the fuck do you get a new phone every year?
But every year they keep pushing us to get a new phone.
If you make a phone that's American-made more durable and lasts more than a year...
It would be worth a premium, and I wouldn't have to feel bad about, like, slaves in China making it.
brian simpson
Like, he makes it, like, the only phone.
They need to bring back the Nokia phones.
Remember those brick phones?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, don't do that.
Make it dope.
Make it a dope phone.
But, you know.
brian simpson
I don't know, man.
I think those days are long gone.
joe rogan
The days of American manufacturing?
Well, I think with incentives, with government incentives and...
People understanding that this competition that we're having is all technologically based.
And if all of our technology is getting made in another country, that's essentially a national security issue.
brian simpson
See, you know what I realize is like, why?
Because sometimes, you know, politics comes up in the green room and I just, I always separate myself from the conversation because I realize what everybody has, regardless of what size of issues they're on, is they, y'all have hope.
I'm cynical.
I'm cynical than a motherfucker.
I'm like, this shit was old.
This shit bit...
You know, it's like, for me, I'm like, I see the asteroid coming.
And I'm like, ain't nothing we gonna be able to do about that.
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brian simpson
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm interested to see.
Look, if Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gets approved, I'm interested to see.
If they start removing pesticides and herbicides and all these things that are killing people, if people's health improves, if we remove things from the human diet, if just start educating people on the importance of diet and exercise, I would love to see that.
brian simpson
But, you know, the problem with that is we live in a society where, like, none of that shit's going to happen unless they make more money than what we already doing.
joe rogan
That's not necessarily true because you can motivate people.
There's a real power in free motivation.
And having a government that's, like, promoting health in that way would cause a bunch of people to take that step that they've been thinking about taking.
So a lot of times motivation doesn't catch you flat.
Motivation catches you looking for motivation, right?
Like, you want to get your shit together?
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Be like, God, I just fucking need to get to the gym.
joe rogan
I just need something.
And then one day the government...
It announces that we are going to turn the health of America around and we are going to promote a national fitness regime.
We're going to start bringing it to schools and kids to get people healthier.
We're going to bring in organic food and start feeding kids when you feed them in public schools.
brian simpson
Didn't Michelle Obama try to do something like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, she did.
She got shut down.
brian simpson
Immediately.
joe rogan
They shut her right the fuck down.
brian simpson
They're like, sit down.
joe rogan
You're going to fucking kill our profits.
Fuck this healthy shit.
brian simpson
Because that's the other thing.
But what's different now than what's happening back then is we're so divided.
If somebody in the government suggested anything was the best, the healthiest thing, at least half the country would be like, I'm not fucking with it for that very reason.
You're so right.
It's like they attached Obama to Obamacare, even though it was not a bad thing.
If Trump was literally like, hey, every American, jumping jacks is the best exercise.
People were like, you don't know Trump jacks.
That's your president's exercise.
So it's like, we so divided, nothing's gonna stick.
joe rogan
I also think that the problem with healthcare and all these things where people are getting paid, you're dealing with a bunch of different games that are being played inside a game that has a function.
And that function is healthcare.
Like, it provides healthcare in a kind of shifty, shitty way.
But the game it's playing is make the most money.
That's the game it's playing.
It's playing a financial game.
That's why it's coming up with reasons to deny people, and it's using AI to figure out how to deny people, and they deny a large amount of claims.
So you gotta look at it like what it actually is.
It's not that it's all bad, but that there's a bunch of different games.
Each person in that game is playing their own game.
You have thousands of employees.
You have thousands of people trying to climb the corporate ladder and make more money and get promotions and make more money for the company and impress the board.
They want a fucking yacht, bro.
brian simpson
I'm talking about how much we're divided, but it's weird.
That's the one thing they couldn't divide people on.
I remember after the CEO got popped, on CNN and MSNBC and Fox, the narrative was like, How dare people be excited?
Because at first they try to do what they do with everything and they say, oh, look at these liberals fucking laughing to death.
And then they realize, oh, the insurance industry has fucked over everybody.
joe rogan
Everybody.
brian simpson
They don't give a fuck who you voted for.
joe rogan
That might be the one.
Healthcare might be the one thing that we can come to a bipartisan agreement on that health insurance and insurance companies in general.
They're just captivated by what a corporation is.
A corporation has a responsibility to its shareholders to make the most money.
And that's a problem with the whole structure of it, is that no matter what the business is, they find a way to make money more than they find a way to do the thing that they're supposed to be doing well as a service to people.
brian simpson
If Trump actually fixed healthcare, he would go down as one of the greatest presidents.
I think it would be a whole different...
If he actually did viable, real change to the healthcare system that made it work for everybody...
joe rogan
It used to be that there was no social media.
So if you wanted to make a big change, the government could gaslight you on TV in these press conferences and bring out experts, and they could gaslight you and tell you what to do, and that was all the information you had.
That doesn't work anymore.
It doesn't work anymore.
So this is one of the reasons why this is the best time ever to kind of revamp healthcare and revamp the way people think about what is healthy.
What is healthy?
brian simpson
How are you going to revamp it in a way that still makes money?
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't have to.
First of all, you're going to lose money.
The country's going to lose money.
It's like, who's going to get the money?
There's an exchange of money, right?
So if a lot of people are sick all the time...
And a lot of people are on Medicaid and a lot of people are on health insurance.
The country's going to spend more money that's going to go to pharmaceutical drug companies, but it doesn't have to go there.
We can't commit to giving it to them every year just because they've figured out a way to keep getting it.
That's dumb.
The right way to say is we have to look at the collective money of the country.
Wouldn't it be way better if we spent way less on health care because people got healthier because they figured out there's no easy way to do it.
You have to have diet and exercise.
It's the most important foundation for any healthy human being.
It doesn't matter what kind of exercise.
It probably doesn't even matter what kind of diet as long as you're like committed to eating healthy real food.
The whole thing is just diet and exercise and movement.
That would fucking cure 70% of the problems we have in this country with healthcare.
Because people would be healthy.
And so then you wouldn't be as susceptible to getting sick.
You wouldn't be as susceptible to getting injured.
There's a bunch of things that would probably likely stack up financially in our favor.
So that's how you make money out of it.
You make money out of it because everybody makes more money.
You make more money if you're healthy.
Make more money if you're active.
If you're in the bed all the time because you have back surgery constantly or if you've got this and that, you've got a lot of interruptions in your life.
They're going to hiccup your career.
They're going to hiccup whatever you're trying to accomplish in your life if you're dealing with being sick all the time.
brian simpson
So you think if people were healthier, they would deny less people?
joe rogan
I think if people were healthier, first of all, you would need way less health care.
First, that's the number one thing.
If people were fit and they took care of themselves, there's a giant part.
If you looked at all of the healthcare issues that we have in this country, there's a giant chunk of it that's connected to diet.
It's connected to the standard American diet.
It's connected to eating too much calories, garbage food, obesity.
All that is possible to shift that in a different direction.
You just have to change the way people eat.
And that, you would see other people getting results, and then you would want those results.
If you hear RFK Jr. on TV trying to motivate people to do this, and you see him working out, like, maybe that's the thing you need that takes you from, man, I gotta go to the gym one day.
Fuck it, I'm going to the gym.
This is it.
And then if more people do that, there's more healthy people.
If there's more healthy people, there's less losers.
If there's less losers, the country makes more money.
The whole GDP goes up.
Everybody, you're gonna do better.
You're gonna do better with whatever you're doing in life if you're healthy.
Because health is energy.
brian simpson
But how do you make people want, like...
joe rogan
You don't make them do it, but you inspire.
And the government has never done that before.
Why not try it?
Why not try that?
Why not try that?
Why not try to, like, fucking gaslight people until you gotta wear a mask in your car or you're gonna die?
Instead of that gaslighting, how about pump them up?
They scared the fuck out of everybody with COVID. How about they pump everybody the fuck up with health?
brian simpson
If the government wanted everybody to do anything, They have to pay him.
joe rogan
You know another problem with my theory?
brian simpson
I give you a tax break if you lose 40 pounds.
joe rogan
Here's another problem with my theory.
Trump eats nothing but McDonald's.
Drinks Diet Cokes.
Sharp as a tack, 78 years old.
Like, okay.
I don't know what to tell you.
brian simpson
If he came back, if he disappeared for like six months and came back just jacked.
joe rogan
Jacked.
Shaved his head.
Did you see him play tennis with Serena Williams?
brian simpson
Nah.
joe rogan
He took his shoes off.
He was playing tennis with Serena Williams.
brian simpson
I mean, playing, playing?
joe rogan
Not playing like as good as she can play.
brian simpson
She's not going to embarrass him.
joe rogan
They're volleying back and forth.
brian simpson
And he's playing.
Is he running?
joe rogan
He plays tennis, man.
He can play tennis.
Like, the guy plays tennis.
I mean, I don't know how to play tennis, so I don't know if it looks good.
But I'm looking at him hitting the ball.
It looks like he's doing it the right...
He doesn't look like me.
If I was doing it, I'd be a fucking spaz.
I don't know how to play tennis.
brian simpson
Completely lost.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, let's see it.
It's because...
jamie vernon
It was in 2015. Oh, it was?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, God damn it.
I got lied to by the reels.
I thought it just happened.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
2015. But check out the tennis.
Check this out.
She could clearly fuck him up.
Oh, that's a nice, gentle serve.
Look at it.
But look at dude.
He's firing back.
jamie vernon
Both of his shots are out of bounds.
joe rogan
Ah, he's old.
brian simpson
I mean, but he is doing better than I would do.
joe rogan
Oh, way better than me.
I mean, he plays tennis.
There's video of him playing tennis.
There's, like, photos of him playing tennis.
So he does do some things.
It's like, there's a lot of guys that are too...
They can't go to a gym.
They need a purpose or they need something that occupies their brain so they play golf or they play tennis or they play games.
They play a little pick-up basketball.
They do that for their health because they just can't do the gym thing.
I just don't want to do it.
So they do something that keeps them active.
brian simpson
I mean, most of the people I know do shit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's active.
brian simpson
Pick up basketball or soccer.
joe rogan
But that dude just eats cheeseburgers and shit all day long.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, I don't know what to say.
brian simpson
But he probably also has zero stress.
joe rogan
Well, he has a way of letting shit roll off his back.
I mean, he had to have some stress when that guy shot at him.
But even then, he gets hit in the ear and he stands up and yells, fight, fight, fight.
It's like, is this a movie?
Are we in a movie?
Is this like a simulation?
brian simpson
And then his ear healed up like Wolverine.
joe rogan
Bro.
It healed up pretty quick.
You can see a little mark on it.
If you look at it, like when he was right there, I go, let me see it.
And he leaned in.
You could kind of see.
The ear's filled with blood vessels.
That's why I bleed so much.
brian simpson
Nobody talks about it anymore.
joe rogan
No.
You know what else nobody talks about?
The guy who blew up the cyber truck in front of Trump Tower?
What happened to that guy?
brian simpson
I don't even know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
You don't know that story?
brian simpson
Nah, I see.
I don't follow any of the political stuff.
joe rogan
Well, this isn't even political.
This is a weird story.
It's a guy who was like, now, has it been confirmed that that's him?
Let's pull up the story because I don't want to do it any misjustice.
But this was after the election, correct?
Yes, definitely.
It was real recent.
jamie vernon
New Year's Day.
joe rogan
Okay, New Year's Day.
That's how crazy the news cycle is.
You forget what day things happen.
Was that a year ago?
No, it was last week.
Oh, all right.
There's like something constantly bombarding you all the time.
So this dude...
brian simpson
That dude?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is the story behind him?
He was a Special Forces guy, right?
And he was in...
I think he was in a television show with Tim Kennedy.
They had like a Special Forces TV show where they did something.
So this guy's like, you know, he's an operator.
He's like a serious soldier.
brian simpson
Why a Cybertruck?
joe rogan
And he allegedly committed suicide...
With a large handgun, a Desert Eagle.
brian simpson
He rinsed it, okay.
joe rogan
Large handgun and blew up this thing.
It says self-inflicted gunshot wound.
The whole thing's weird, man.
Nobody could imagine him doing this.
Everybody's saying it doesn't make sense.
Why would he...
This guy knew how to make bombs.
Why would he make a shitty bomb like that that doesn't even blow up the building?
It just blows him up in the car.
And why would he do it in a Cybertruck, which is like the most durable car you can buy?
Like that whole thing.
The Cybertruck...
You saw that video where I tried to shoot an arrow through it?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
My arrow exploded.
That thing's solid steel.
So why would you blow yourself up in a solid...
You would get a convertible and fuck everybody up.
Right?
If you were going to blow up yourself in a car and you wanted to do the most damage, you'd have a car that you'd want to blow apart.
Those Teslas contained the entire explosion.
brian simpson
Yeah.
I mean, did he leave some kind of manifesto?
joe rogan
I don't know if he left a note.
Did he leave a note?
jamie vernon
I think so.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
They probably found it, like, barely smoldering outside the car.
Look!
It's like, remember when they found the terrorist passports?
The planes went into the fucking World Trade Center, blew up in front of everybody's face, just a gigantic, enormous pile of fire, and yet this dude's passport.
Just barely singed on the outside like a Bugs Bunny cartoon falls to the ground.
jamie vernon
That's what the whole Sean Ryan thing was about, because they sent the email, and then it was, did the guy write the email?
joe rogan
Right, that's right.
That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right.
Now I remember.
God, I forgot.
Sean Ryan was involved in that.
And then people were saying that he didn't, that guy didn't send that to you, you got hoaxed, and then Sean Ryan proved that the guy did send that.
So, he was saying some stuff in there about drones and...
What was he saying?
Let's put up what he said.
brian simpson
You know what I've realized, man.
joe rogan
Shout out to Sean Ryan.
It said, in case I do not make it to my decision point...
Or onto the Mexico border.
I am sending this now.
Please do not release this until 1 Jan and keep my identity private until then.
First off, I am not under duress or hostile influence or control.
My first car was a 2006 black Ford Mustang V6 for verification.
First of all, that's not true.
That was not his first car.
brian simpson
No?
joe rogan
No, he had a different car.
We'll find that out in a second.
put a tab on that, Jamie.
What we have been seeing with drones is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history, the US.
Only we in China have this capability.
Our open location for this activity in the box is below.
China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up.
As of now, it is just a show of force, and they are using it similar to how they use the balloon for SIGINT and ISR, which are also part of the integrated comm systems.
There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time.
The so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned aircraft, they are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed.
They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted to.
It's checkmate.
U.S. government needs to give the history of this, how we're employing and weaponizing it, how China is employing them, and what the way forward is.
China is poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast.
I've been followed for over a week now, likely from Homeland or FBI, and they're looking to move on me and are unlikely to let me cross into Mexico, but I won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive VBIED. I think that's vehicle something.
Oh, you know, you're a military guy.
I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone, and they are definitely digitally tracking me.
I have knowledge of this program and also of war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in the Nimroz province, Afghanistan in 2019 by the admin, DOD, DEA, and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes of over 125 buildings.
65 were struck because of CIVCAS that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day.
USFORA continued strikes after spotting civilians on initial ISR. It was supposed to take six minutes and scramble all aircraft to CENTCOM. The UN basically called these war crimes, but the administration made them disappear.
I was part of that cover-up with USFORA, an agent redacted, they cut his name off, of the DEA. So I don't know if my abduction attempt is related to either.
I worked with generals...
General Miller's 10 staff on this as well as the response to Bala Murgab, AOBS commander at the time, redacted.
Okay, he said, you need to elevate this to media so we avoid a world war because this is a mutually assured destruction situation.
So he gave his LinkedIn for vetting.
Active duty, you know, he get his profile, the whole deal.
Now, the problem is that was not his first car, so Google what his first car was.
brian simpson
Why lie about that?
joe rogan
Because somebody might not have known.
Like, if you ask, like, there's a lot of people that say, what was your first car?
And a lot of people don't know.
I've said it publicly, but, like, how many people know what my first car was?
brian simpson
Right, right.
joe rogan
So if you're a dude and you're hanging out with other dudes, I don't know what your first car was.
brian simpson
Oh, so you're suggesting someone else wrote that?
unidentified
Yes.
Oh.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if they get the car wrong, yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, that's a hell of a detail to get wrong.
joe rogan
Here.
I had my first car was a 1973 Chevelle, but I only had it for like two days.
It broke down.
And the guy sold me a lemon, and I got my money back.
He came and got his car.
I think he knew he fucked me.
And then my next car after that was a 1968 Oldsmobile.
So I remember.
I know what my cars were.
Like, you're a kid, you get your first car, you know what your first car was.
brian simpson
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Bitch, if your first car was a 2007 Mustang, everyone's gonna know.
You're gonna tell everybody.
Right?
brian simpson
Yeah, you're not gonna forget what your first car was.
joe rogan
You're gonna know.
You're not gonna be confused.
You're not gonna be confused as to what...
It was your first car.
You'll pull it out right away.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
I mean, I've never seen anybody get that wrong.
joe rogan
Your car is like the first time you have freedom.
You can't believe you can just drive anywhere you want.
You go to your friend's house.
You're like, dude, I can drive.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of the wildest experiences.
I remember clearly just learning to drive.
And how wild it was.
You could just drive.
We're so used to it.
We're basically riding around in amusement park rides.
You would pay a lot of money to ride in.
Like your car?
That Audi?
Bro, that's like you're in a super capable sports sedan from 2024. So you're talking about like modern suspension and anti-lock braking system and everything's controlled electronically and you have a fucking super powerful engine.
unidentified
It's all...
joe rogan
It's hot and it moves differently based on how the fucking ground moves, like whether it's shitty surface or smooth surface.
They just adapt to everything.
That thing's glued.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, those things are crazy.
This world that we live in today is so fun.
You would remember your first car.
jamie vernon
I'm having a hard time.
This is one of the strangest searches I've had.
I'll add this to conspiracy.
I can't find anything that's coming up with a date before January 4th, which would only be a few days after.
I've done Google search and Twitter search.
Twitter search didn't show anything, and I hit latest and still not show me anything recent.
joe rogan
Damn, somebody wrote a whole article about how that was not his first car.
jamie vernon
I know, but it's just weird that it's blocking this stuff.
joe rogan
Can you try the Brave browser?
jamie vernon
I don't know that it would have a...
I'm on a website.
I'm on Twitter, and the search isn't giving me anything more recent than January 4th.
joe rogan
So, when they say about discrepancies, does anybody use the car as a discrepancy?
Because I definitely know I read that.
jamie vernon
No, that's not what I'm even bringing up.
I'm sort of saying, like, the search is...
Being manipulated right now.
Like, I can't search for this.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
That's what I'm trying to say.
joe rogan
Ew.
jamie vernon
Like, searching for his name in car, I don't get anything in the last three weeks.
That's weird that no one on Twitter is talking about it.
joe rogan
Let me imagine this.
Is it possible that if there was a story like this and you were trying to cover up discrepancies and you didn't want people talking about it, could you just flood the search with a bunch of other stories on it so that it takes so many pages to get to it that you would never get it?
jamie vernon
I would argue yes, you could, but I'm not seeing that.
I'm seeing the opposite.
I'm seeing no stories other than like...
Within the 48 hours of it happening, which means I find that odd.
That is weird.
Like, I'll go to page two.
brian simpson
Bro, this is how shocked that I am.
I didn't even know this happened.
jamie vernon
News isn't showing.
It's like four weeks ago.
joe rogan
How about just write, will you do me a favor and just write, Matthew Livilsberger, how do you say it?
Livis?
jamie vernon
Livilsberger?
joe rogan
Livilsberger's car was not, first car, just say first car.
jamie vernon
I did.
joe rogan
No, but let me ask you, just say first car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.
jamie vernon
That's too specific.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's too specific.
joe rogan
But just try it.
First car was not a 2006 Ford Mustang.
unidentified
I mean, I'm getting the same thing.
jamie vernon
That's not the best way to do a search.
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joe rogan
The other thing was that the gun that he used is a crazy gun.
That is a crazy gun to shoot yourself in the car.
And the question is like, when did he do it?
Because it looks like the guy in the video in the car...
Sits there, pulls up, and then the whole thing blows up.
So are you telling me that he's blowing himself up and shooting himself at the same time?
Like, does he have a button on his left hand that's the bomb detonator and then the trigger on his right?
brian simpson
I don't know, man.
That shit's highly advanced, man.
The Cybertruck might have shot him.
jamie vernon
When I take off the word car from my search on Twitter, I get tweets from two hours ago.
joe rogan
So they're still tweeting like crazy about it.
jamie vernon
But when I type in car...
Now it's old tweets.
joe rogan
You get January 16th.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I'm on latest.
joe rogan
That's weird.
You typed first car?
jamie vernon
I just typed in the word car.
brian simpson
It shouldn't matter.
joe rogan
Try first car.
jamie vernon
I already did that.
joe rogan
I know.
jamie vernon
I reduced it so that it was less specific.
brian simpson
But what's the rest of the conspiracy?
joe rogan
Incorrect after the first car discrepancies.
Click on that.
Show more.
Including incorrect reference for the first car Livelsberger owned.
According to public records, his first car was not a 2006 Ford, contrary to what is mentioned in the email.
This has led to skepticism on whether the email is real or fabricated.
That's it.
According to public records, that was not his first car.
unidentified
Well, show us the public records.
joe rogan
Let's see.
It was a BMW. 2008. One Series BMW. I would add, wouldn't this just be registered under his name?
jamie vernon
Maybe he borrowed one, maybe his parents registered it.
I think they checked his parents' cards, too.
brian simpson
Yeah, but what about that 1998?
It's a full Mustang.
jamie vernon
But it's 2006. It's a big difference.
joe rogan
See right here, why is Sean Ryan spreading an easily confirmed fake email?
If your first car was a 1998 Mustang, would you say your first car was a 2007 Mustang?
The dates don't even line up.
So he had a 98 Ford Mustang.
Why is the BMW circled?
brian simpson
Because, you see, the thing is, whenever weird shit happens, the first people to talk will be full of shit.
They're the worst people.
joe rogan
So it looks like he didn't have...
Scroll down back again.
So he had a 98 Mustang.
Not a 2007. That was his first car.
Then he had a 2008 BMW. And then he had a Jeep.
He never had a 2006 Mustang.
brian simpson
You can see right when he got divorced because he got a Mustang again.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm back, baby.
unidentified
2018. 2018, you got a Ford Mustang GT. That's their midlife crisis.
joe rogan
You got the GT, too.
Greg Fitzsimmons got it.
He got it with the EcoBoost.
He was telling me how much he loves it.
I was like, I know, but you didn't get the V8. He's like, oh, gas mileage.
I'm like, shut your mouth.
brian simpson
What you mean EcoBoost?
joe rogan
Oh, it's a great engine.
Don't get me wrong.
It's got plenty of power.
In comparison to old cars, it's way more powerful.
I mean, it's a fast fucking car.
But the EcoBoost is just more fuel efficient.
It doesn't have the same horsepower.
brian simpson
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
And the GT has the Coyote V8 that has that rumble.
Makes you feel alive.
You know, when you rumble, rumble.
You ever been in a red light with a guy in a Mustang and they take off and you hear that sound?
Especially if he's got a manual.
brian simpson
My homie, when I was in the service, he had this fucking blue Corvette.
I forget what year it was, but it was old and shit.
But he was obsessed with this motherfucking car.
And it was so fucking loud.
Yeah.
It was definitely like a 70-something.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
brian simpson
Or a 60-something.
It was like an old.
joe rogan
Oh, the cool ones.
brian simpson
Yeah, but it was like no modern technology in this motherfucker.
It was loud as shit.
joe rogan
Corvettes are the only cars that looked good into the 70s.
All the other American cars turned to dog shit.
They became boxes.
They became fuel-efficient boxes.
But Corvettes always had that.
And then eventually they fucked that up, too.
And they made Corvettes flat and looked like a wedge.
They looked so stupid for a while.
But now they're back.
They're better looking now, I think, like Tonys.
I think these new ones, the 2025s and 26s, they're better than any other car, ever.
Any American car.
Like the Corvette ZR1, it's the greatest American car that's ever been built.
brian simpson
Really?
joe rogan
It's 1,100 horsepower.
brian simpson
I don't know shit about it.
joe rogan
Oh, Brian Simpson, you ready to look at this?
brian simpson
You got one?
joe rogan
No, no, no, I don't have one.
But this is, um, Google this.
This is literally the greatest American car I ever produced.
Buy a long shot.
Corvette Z1. ZR1. It's got a giant wing on the back of it.
It's literally a race car that you can buy.
It has 1,100 horsepower.
Or, excuse me, 1,064 horsepower.
And this is not even tuned, right?
Guys are going to be able to do things with these things.
You're going to get these Hennessy guys.
brian simpson
Is this new?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're going to get these Hennessy guys that are going to jack up the boost and make them even faster.
These things are insanely fast.
Insanely fast.
And insanely capable.
I don't know if they've got Nürburgring times on them, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the fastest American car ever.
brian simpson
How much does that cost?
joe rogan
I think it's like $190,000.
Bro, this car is fucking insane.
It has carbon fiber wheels.
It's insane.
And it's beautiful.
Like, look at that thing.
I mean, it's just a piece of art and engineering, you know, together.
It's really, it looks like what you'd expect from a foreign supercar.
From, like, Ferrari or McLaren or something like that.
That's what it looks like.
It looks incredible.
I don't know how we get on the subject.
brian simpson
Oh, we were talking about how you remember your first car.
joe rogan
Oh, you remember your first car?
Fuck, imagine your first car's this thing.
Your first car should be a Miata.
Everybody should drive a stick shift Miata.
brian simpson
But you can't buy your...
Because some people get crazy and they buy their kids shit like that.
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's like motorcycles.
I was going to get a motorcycle license at one point in time, and one of my buddies was going to get it like a Ninja.
I was like, bro, we shouldn't do that.
We shouldn't just hop right on some crazy bike that...
You gotta get comfortable with the whole deal of riding a bike.
brian simpson
Bro, have I told you how many of my friends or family that I've had to talk out of getting a motorcycle?
Like, it's like that midlife crisis part where it's like, hey, bro, you never rode a motorcycle.
Like, you 40, you can't start now.
joe rogan
I got real close and then the universe gave me a whole bunch of signs.
brian simpson
Nah, bro, because even the best riders in the world will lay that bike down.
joe rogan
Yep.
brian simpson
So it's like, you out here, you haven't ridden a bike ever or in 25 years.
Like, you gon' get fucked up out there.
joe rogan
You ever see the one when the dude is flying down a country road and he hits a deer?
brian simpson
No.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
This dude is like on one of those race bikes.
Boom!
Flying through the air.
brian simpson
I saw one the other day where it was the other way around.
It was like the end of a parade or something.
And there were girls in the street in the sky.
A bunch of motorcycles went by, but only one girl got hit.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
brian simpson
But it was like...
joe rogan
Oh, God.
brian simpson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Vehicles.
brian simpson
Yeah, but you can't...
joe rogan
So you didn't see this thing today.
A Blackhawk helicopter collided with an American Airlines flight.
brian simpson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Over D.C. Yeah.
Over D.C.? Over D.C., yeah.
And they plunged into the Potomac, and everybody's dead.
And there's video of it.
There's a fireball in the sky.
The helicopter collides right with the plane.
It explodes in the sky.
Watch this.
Boom.
They explode and collide in the sky.
And then this is the plane.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And it's only, I mean, there's nothing fortunate about it, but it's fortunate that it landed in the river and that it didn't land on apartment buildings.
You know, and kill a bunch more people.
brian simpson
Man.
joe rogan
I don't even know how that happens.
I've never heard of something like that happening.
And then, where did the helicopter emanate from?
Where did it come from, Jamie?
brian simpson
Probably Andrews.
joe rogan
Because this is a military helicopter.
brian simpson
Andrews Air Force Base, I'm guessing.
joe rogan
I don't understand how that's possible.
I don't get it.
But I don't know anything about flying.
brian simpson
Man, you know what?
Honestly, man, it comes close to happening a lot.
joe rogan
Fuck.
That's so crazy that a military helicopter collides with an American Airlines jet.
brian simpson
And I don't think it was some kind of malfunction.
It probably was bad communication.
Somebody got wrong information.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
Unless we find out that someone was on that jet.
Like someone who has some gravity drive scientist.
Some fucking dude is at the forefront of quantum computing and he's got a laptop with him that he's trying to deliver to somebody in Saudi Arabia.
brian simpson
This is why I checked out, bro.
Because it's so hard to take everything serious because we live in such a ridiculous time.
The chances are more than zero that what you said is the case.
Just now.
joe rogan
Right, more than zero.
brian simpson
It's like, we live in a ridiculous, we don't trust anything.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
I don't.
So it's like, that could be somebody, because my next thought shouldn't be, I wonder if somebody important was on that jet.
joe rogan
The other thought was that you can control those helicopters remotely.
You don't have to have pilots.
brian simpson
No, bullshit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can.
brian simpson
You can fly a helicopter remotely.
joe rogan
Yes.
They use artificial intelligence now not just to fly helicopters, but also to fly jets.
And when they use jets that are controlled by artificial intelligence versus jets that are controlled by the best pilots we have, the jets can control by artificial intelligence win dogfights 100% of the time.
brian simpson
Yeah, but they're going to fuck some.
I mean, listen, because all I have to judge...
joe rogan
This is the tinfoil.
We're putting on some tinfoil.
brian simpson
Yeah, but all I have to judge my artificial intelligence is...
The Google Gemini and ChatGBT and they be fucking shit up.
Yeah, but this is just consumer grade.
joe rogan
This is consumer grade shit that didn't exist a while ago.
You want some coffee?
brian simpson
No, I'm good.
joe rogan
And exists now.
So here it is.
Blackhawk remote-controlled demos have been performed by Sikorsky Aircraft and Lockheed Martin to demonstrate the ability to remotely control a Blackhawk helicopter.
These demos have shown the potential for autonomous flight and the ability to perform missions without a pilot.
brian simpson
Okay, but here's the other thing now.
joe rogan
But this is the thing.
If it's such a super sophisticated piece of equipment, how is it not, if it is being piloted by a person?
How do they not have sensors that detect where the planes are?
How is that even possible?
That you could be in a place where planes are flying 500 miles an hour, left and right, all over the place, landing and taking off, and you're going to fly through that and you don't know where the planes are?
That seems insane.
That doesn't even seem possible, because how could you exist as a military aircraft if you don't have a comprehensive analysis of everything that's around you all the time?
We have sensors.
We put them on jets.
Why wouldn't we put sensors on the helicopter?
brian simpson
They probably do have them.
joe rogan
So why didn't it work?
brian simpson
We're going to find out pretty soon.
joe rogan
Or we'll never find out.
But everybody's dead, right?
So how do you know when everybody's dead?
They think the pilots are dead of the helicopter.
Was there supposed to be two people in the helicopter?
Four?
Three?
Three people in the helicopter?
And was it like 60 or 70 people?
60 people in the plane are dead.
brian simpson
Only 60 people on a flight?
joe rogan
Small flight.
jamie vernon
Mostly a figure skating team?
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
Because that's the thing.
I was like, it would have to be a group of people.
Because if they just wanted to take out one person, why waste a helicopter?
Like, there's better ways to kill one person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, also, you want, like, the worst press possible.
Kill a plane filled with young figure skaters.
The sweetest, most delicate people.
Like, twirling around on the ice.
I mean, we think of them like they're almost like superhumans.
That's why when that Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan shit went down, nobody would want to believe it's possible.
The figure skating community's got thugs!
Remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The figure skating community tries to take out people by breaking their knees?
brian simpson
And that shit was ripe for comedy for like five years.
Yeah.
People get vicious about shit, man.
joe rogan
People get vicious.
brian simpson
But here's the other thing.
It might just be incompetence.
joe rogan
Most likely it's incompetence.
brian simpson
Somebody was just fucked up.
joe rogan
Most likely someone made a mistake.
Most likely.
But in this day and age, when you know about things that have happened, you know about false flags, you know about all kinds of shit that happens, you always got to wonder.
And if we do find out, here's the worst case scenario.
What if a foreign government has figured out a way to hack into our equipment?
And they can get a helicopter to fly right into a plane.
brian simpson
Oh, like this was a test run?
joe rogan
What if this is like proof of concept?
brian simpson
See, I think a better conspiracy would be if we found out that it was like Delta was behind it.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Delta was trying to take out American Airlines?
brian simpson
Or like Alaska was like, yo, we're going to fucking ruin their reputation.
joe rogan
But if you were a foreign country and you wanted to demonstrate that you have technical superiority over people, how would you do it?
First of all, you'd lay the groundwork, right?
This is one thing they definitely did, right?
Where's that lighter, bro?
unidentified
Got that?
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
You lay the groundwork, and the groundwork is sell them all the shit they need.
Sell them all the shit they need.
And some of the shit you sell them, put a little backdoor in there.
Put a little backdoor in there.
And they've been doing that.
That's a fact.
That's why Huawei was banned from the United States.
They banned Huawei phones.
They were the most sophisticated phones.
They were coming out of China.
They were awesome.
They were so good.
brian simpson
They were great.
joe rogan
I've taught this before.
Forgive me if you've heard it before, but I tried to buy a Porsche design Huawei phone.
It was an amazing phone.
It was so much more advanced than iPhones.
It had a bigger battery.
It had a 100 megapixel camera.
And then right before it was coming out, they put the ban.
And then there's all these national security concerns and Huawei is like spying on Americans and something about their routers and their systems.
They figured out there's like backdoor possibilities that were engineered into these things.
So they've sold us cell phone towers and computer chips and all this stuff and all the components that you need to run your AI. So wouldn't it make sense that if they're a part of it, they're integrated into it?
unidentified
Physically.
joe rogan
And we know they've put back doors on things.
Wouldn't you put back doors on the stuff that you're putting into jets?
Wouldn't you pack...
Who's making that stuff?
Who's making all those electronics that are inside the jets?
brian simpson
I think we make those.
joe rogan
Do you think we make the chips?
Do you think we make the chips?
Do you think we make...
What do we make?
Do we make the hard drives?
Are you sure?
I don't know.
brian simpson
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do we make the processors?
brian simpson
It just seems like it would be the smart thing to do.
joe rogan
It would be a very smart thing to do.
But do we make the processors?
Or have there been installed some sort of electronical backdoor into almost everything that we have?
Almost everything we have.
Anything could be taken over.
brian simpson
I think that it probably is the case, but it's definitely our government doing it.
joe rogan
You know the Michael Hastings story, right?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
You don't know that story?
No.
This was a guy who was a journalist who was writing for Rolling Stone, and he goes over to Afghanistan?
Was it Afghanistan?
Goes over to Afghanistan and gets stuck there because of the volcano.
So the volcano in Iceland, I think?
So this volcano blows up and the sky is covered with dirt.
You can't see for like weeks, so you can't fly.
So he can't leave there.
So he gets stuck with his troop.
He's embedded with these troops.
And they get loose.
They get loose.
They start saying things.
They start talking shit about Obama.
The general talks shit about Obama.
And then this guy puts all this in the story.
And he puts all this in the story.
And they thought he was like one of their homies.
We're just hanging out.
We're just boys.
He's not going to write about that.
I mean, by the way, I wrote about all that shit.
You get these 20-year-old kids.
They're deployed at war.
And of course they're going to talk shit.
They're kids.
You get the generals hanging out with these guys.
They're going to talk shit.
They're a bunch of men out there doing war.
So he has to step down.
And he, the general, is one of the most beloved generals in the military.
And then this guy is terrified for his life.
The reporter?
The reporter's terrified for his life.
Because he's been threatened.
So then he dies on, was it Laurel Canyon?
jamie vernon
La Brea.
joe rogan
La Brea.
He dies on La Brea.
jamie vernon
Melrose and Highland, sorry.
joe rogan
Oh, Melrose and Highland?
unidentified
I'm watching the video right now, but that's...
joe rogan
Either way.
Either way.
Point is, he's in LA. He's going like 120 miles an hour and he goes straight into a tree and the car explodes.
The car explodes and watch how fast it goes.
Look at this.
He just hits the gas and boom!
Runs into a tree and explodes.
Had said, you know, if anything happens, I didn't kill myself.
And then the question was, back then, so was this 2005?
2013. So back then the question was, do they have the technology to take over vehicles?
And if you ask people that are honest, the answer is yes.
Yeah, they do.
There's a way to do it.
It's not impossible.
It's not like, you know, breathing underwater.
It can be done.
Whether you have to get access to the actual car itself and put something in there, I don't know.
But it can be done.
brian simpson
That's why people...
Like, it's gonna be a couple generations before people will be down with it being fully autonomous cars.
Like, you know, we see all these driverless cars around this motherfucker all the time.
But it's like, I ain't getting one of them motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
brian simpson
No way.
But...
Because if they wanted to kill you...
I mean, we saw that in the old...
The new Total Recall.
They did that.
Where it's like...
All the cars drive themselves.
But when they want to find you, they fucking stop your car, pull you over.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, everybody's terrified about that, you know?
And there's cars right now that they could shut off if there's a police chase.
That's what OnStar does, right?
So, like, if you're in one of those Corvettes, I bet that Corvette has OnStar.
Does that Corvette have OnStar?
So the way they sell you OnStar is they say, well, Brian, if someone steals your car, We can just shut it off.
And you're like, oh, that would be good.
I don't want anybody stealing my beautiful car.
But the other side of that is, we could also just shut it off for other reasons.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
We can shut it off because we don't like you.
And we just decided to shut your car off.
brian simpson
But don't worry.
It says right here that that's illegal.
joe rogan
You could have the wrong political opinion depending on who's in power.
You know, you want to give these people power because you don't want the other side to win.
But then the problem is now you've established that the government, which is not always you, is going to have power.
And they're going to just be able to shut your fucking car off.
Stolen C7 Corvette disabled remotely by police using OnStar.
Yeah, they just shut them off.
See?
That's a happy moment.
Look at that.
The sad moment is you got a trunk load of meth and you're making a run for it.
They just shut your car off.
brian simpson
Right.
But imagine being a drug runner and getting all the features.
joe rogan
Well, the drug runners always get caught going too fast.
It's the dumbest fucking thing you'll ever hear.
They always get busted going like 16 miles an hour over the speed limit.
What does it say, Jamie?
Mandatory.
It comes with mandatory OnStar subscription.
There's no way around it.
brian simpson
One of my favorite online lawyers, his name is Bruce Rivers.
But he's always saying, never commit a misdemeanor while you're committing a felony.
If you're moving cocaine, don't break the speed limit.
Put on your seatbelt.
joe rogan
It's just the dumbest.
But you get these kids that are willing to do these drug runs, and they're cocky, and they're probably using, right?
So they're probably taking a little amphetamines while they're driving to stay sharp, right?
Can't get sleepy behind the wheel.
And they're probably not the most reliable people anyway.
They're literal drug runners.
Like, what they're doing could get them locked up for the rest of their fucking life, and they're probably going to make $2,000 for doing this.
brian simpson
Yeah, and they'll have some cool stories.
joe rogan
I mean, who's going to make the money?
They're probably doing it for somebody else, right?
They're probably moving it for somebody.
And they have to sell it, and then they get a piece, and then, you know, and then they keep doing it, and that's, they just have to hope they don't get arrested.
And then they do it a few times, you get a little cocky.
I mean, someone's bringing all this shit in.
Like, how's it getting in?
How many cars, if you're a cop and you're just out there looking around, how many of these moving trucks have fentanyl in them?
brian simpson
I think the CIA is bringing most of it.
joe rogan
A bit of it, for sure.
brian simpson
Because who stops selling drugs when they get away with it?
Nobody.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Why would they stop doing that?
Right.
Now they just know how to not get caught.
joe rogan
Well, maybe they probably work with people.
brian simpson
Because please believe, if we really, really wanted to stop drugs, it would be extreme, but we could.
But we don't want to.
joe rogan
It would be too hard.
You'd have to take away too much freedom from people.
They wouldn't stand for it, and they'd vote you out of office.
brian simpson
I'm talking about to stop it from coming in the country.
joe rogan
Yes.
You could stop it from coming in the country, but you're not going to stop a demand.
The real problem is, just like the prohibition of alcohol, and I'm not comparing meth with alcohol, because I think most people that I know responsibly use alcohol.
They take a few drinks.
I mean, I know a bunch of people who have abused it.
I know a bunch of people who had to stop drinking.
But most guys that we're friends with, you have a drink.
You guys want to do a shot?
Let's do a shot.
And then you go do your show, and no one's getting drunk every night.
brian simpson
Right.
I rarely see anybody drunk.
joe rogan
But if you're out there doing meth...
There's a chance you're not engaging in, like, responsible meth use.
There's a good chance if you're using meth, you're going hard.
brian simpson
You're just microdosing meth?
joe rogan
Nah, no one ain't microdosing meth.
They're going hard.
I think meth gets you to go hard.
You're listening to fucking Slayer in your car, and you're fired up, and you're making bad decisions.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, you're definitely just not thinking.
You're just doing.
joe rogan
But what is Adderall?
Adderall's super close to meth.
Super close.
brian simpson
It's an amphetamine, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not the same, but it's in the hunt.
brian simpson
People do wild shit on that shit, too.
joe rogan
Especially if you take a lot of it.
If you take a lot of it, it might as well be meth.
And people abuse the shit out of everything.
You tell them to take one, they're going to take five or six.
brian simpson
I think the biggest problem is most people's lives suck so bad that drugs is their only...
joe rogan
That's true, too.
brian simpson
That's true, too.
That's instant happiness.
That's true.
You know what's so funny?
I think a lot of people assume that most of the homeless people on the street are homeless because they had a drug problem.
But it's usually the other way around.
They usually are fine when they hit the street.
They start using drugs.
Because, like, what else the fuck are you going to do?
Where else are you going to get happiness from?
You're not warm.
You're not safe.
joe rogan
Well, there's probably a bunch of different scenarios there, but a lot of it has to do with drug use.
And a lot of it has to do with self-medicating.
A lot of those people are just, like, severely mentally ill and really should be in some sort of an institution.
brian simpson
People are never going to stop getting high.
joe rogan
No, they're not going to.
I'm smoking a cigar right now.
brian simpson
And I don't know what the solution is, oh, just legalize everything.
joe rogan
I don't know that either.
brian simpson
I would have said that five years ago, but...
And maybe that is the ultimate solution, but the way it's implemented...
Because I think they tried that in Seattle or Portland or somewhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had to stop it.
brian simpson
Yeah, and so it's like...
But they also just went from what we're doing now to just...
Everything's legal.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, but they also, it's Portland.
They're ridiculous.
Those people are ridiculous.
That was Seattle, right?
No.
Was it Portland or Seattle?
Which one was it?
It was Oregon that legalized everything, right?
brian simpson
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think it was Oregon.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was Oregon.
So it was Portland.
Portland's ridiculous.
They're ridiculous.
So if you just say you can just do drugs wherever you want, just do whatever you want, everything's legal now, everyone's just going to be brazen about it.
You've got a culture that was demonized for so long, and you have a culture of mental illness where people are looking for something to get them out of this rut that they're in, and the only thing that makes them feel good is fentanyl or oxycodone or whatever the fuck they're taking.
Whatever that shit that makes you lean over.
What's that stuff?
brian simpson
It's a lot of shit to do that.
joe rogan
The stuff that, well, they're doing yoga in the street.
Trank.
Whatever the fuck they're doing, these people, they're trying to escape, right?
And the idea that you just, like, leave them, they're obviously, like, severely mentally ill.
Like, if we spend money on people with illness, why don't we spend money on people with mental illness?
It seems like if you want to support Medicaid, shouldn't you support, like, mass...
Medical assistance to most of these people?
Because a lot of them are probably severely mentally ill and unmedicated.
And maybe they can be helped.
Maybe someone can take them into an institution.
brian simpson
There's somebody calling you a socialist right now in the comments.
joe rogan
I am in a lot of ways.
I am.
With some things.
Like the fire department.
I think the fire department is a very socialist idea.
We're all going to put our money into this.
This one group of people that's going to act in the best interest of the entire community and put out fires everywhere, regardless of who's got money or doesn't.
Like, if you're a poor person and you live on this block and your house catches on fire, they don't say, we're not going to put that fire out.
We're only going to put the big guys fire out.
No, the fucking house gets on fire.
Everybody...
That fire needs to get put out so the fire people move.
You spend your tax dollars on that.
brian simpson
See, that's how I feel about health care.
joe rogan
It's true.
That's a good way to look at it.
brian simpson
Imagine if the fire department could deny you when your house was burning.
joe rogan
See, the problem is they're already making so much money doing it the way they're doing it now.
And they've got a really good system.
If I was a business person involved in that system, not just a human being with ethics and morals, I would say this is the way to do it because this is the way we're going to make the most money.
Yeah.
But people are tired of it.
That's why people were cheering when that guy got shot, which is kind of fucked up.
brian simpson
Here's the truth of the matter.
Some shit just can't be for profit.
If we want it to be for the best, some stuff can't be for profit.
joe rogan
The thing about that guy shooting that person that's the most disturbing wasn't just that a lot of people cheered for it, but the most disturbing was that people weren't mad.
They weren't outraged.
They didn't treat it like a regular assassination.
It was like an assassination where he deserved it.
It didn't seem like a bad...
Even though people are like, that was horrible.
It didn't seem like as bad a thing as if someone shot John Lennon.
Not even a famous person.
If someone just randomly shot some executive as he was walking out.
brian simpson
You know how I reacted?
The same way when they got Osama Bin Laden.
I was like, it's the same to me.
joe rogan
Really?
You feel like that insurance guy was Osama Bin Laden?
brian simpson
No, but I mean, they both...
They both are indirectly responsible for the death of how many Americans?
Except he was doing it for profit.
Osama was doing it for the love of the game or whatever.
joe rogan
I do think it's a corporate capture issue.
Because I think the culture of the corporation is to make as much money as possible and deny more people than the other insurance companies do.
They had a higher rate of denying.
brian simpson
You can't let people's grandmas die.
Let them stay in pain and expect them to have empathy for you.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that one video?
I think we played it on the podcast where this woman talked about how she made a decision to deny someone care that they definitely needed and she was thanked by the company and then the guy wound up dying and she knows that she could have given him the life-saving care.
She could have approved it.
And she was rewarded for not approving it.
They were like, you did the right thing.
So that's like the culture.
It's not about...
See what we were talking about earlier?
It's not really about healthcare.
Healthcare is the arena in which they're playing their game.
But the real game is the people behind the scenes that are trying to make money.
Especially if you're doing something that is not...
It doesn't give you a lot of meaning to deny people healthcare.
It doesn't give you a lot of meaning.
You don't feel like you have a meaningful life.
So those people guarantee you...
They get addicted to material stuff.
They get addicted to getting a nice Rolex.
I want to get the newest Rolex.
I want to get a fucking Ferrari.
brian simpson
And you also got to switch up your whole ethic.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
And you got to somehow or another placate yourself, whether it's with drugs or with buying a new purse, something.
You need new stuff.
You're not going to live in a fucking log hut in the woods if you're living like that.
You're not going to be interested in starting your own fire and reading books by candlelight.
Shut the fuck up.
You're doing cocaine and you're trying to buy a house.
brian simpson
And you're surrounded by people that, like, they're impressed by the shit you're doing, too.
joe rogan
And they're probably all medicated.
Everybody's on probably something that allows them to not freak out all the time.
Some sort of anti-anxiety medication because of what they're doing.
And then they don't feel fulfilled in life, you know?
You don't feel like that's a good relationship between you and the way you make money and the way you interact with people?
brian simpson
No, I don't think they feel guilty.
I mean, some people might feel guilty afterwards.
I don't think they feel bad.
joe rogan
I think they're medicated.
I bet.
Yeah, I bet you have anxiety when you're doing stuff like that.
You probably need an SSRI. You probably need a little something.
brian simpson
But it's like the easiest person to lie to is yourself.
So it's like, you probably feel like shit, you get that first paycheck, and you start twisting shit so you could justify it.
Like, well, you know, somebody would do this.
joe rogan
And you also realize, hey, the rest of the public, they don't know.
They don't know.
That's just the insurance business.
That's the business.
brian simpson
This is standard.
Standard is a word they use a lot when they're trying to fuck you.
joe rogan
People looked at it very differently than someone just shooting some other person.
They almost looked at it like he deserved it.
brian simpson
And it wasn't bipartisan, that's what I mean.
That was the...
Wildest thing about the whole thing.
It was like, you couldn't tell by any other information from anybody how they felt about it.
I just felt nothing, honestly.
joe rogan
It was weird, too, because it gave a lot of liberal grifters the opportunity to celebrate someone getting shot and murdered violently, which should be the complete opposite of the way they view violent crime.
They should think of violence as being the last resort.
Violence is abhorrent.
Violence is not a part of a civilized society.
We want kindness and compassion and we want people to be able to live their life.
You don't want violent murders on the street if you're a progressive.
But a lot of progressives were cheering when this guy got murdered.
Which just shows how many grifters and hypocrites there are.
brian simpson
Because for me, it just depends on who got murdered.
I'm not rooting for a murderer.
But if certain people die, I'm like, well, you know.
joe rogan
Well, I don't even know what this guy's relationship to that guy was.
I don't know why he wanted to kill him specifically.
brian simpson
And they haven't said specifically.
I mean, there's a lot of speculation about was it a family member or, like, he had a back surgery that screwed him up.
But, like I said, I only get the news that, like, rises.
That's like forced in my face because I don't watch any of the channels.
joe rogan
To me, it's different than like, let's say, some Iraq war veteran assassinated Dick Cheney.
Like, that to me makes more sense.
That one makes more sense.
Here's a guy who knows that this guy engineered this thing where they lied about weapons of mass destruction, led us into a war that ultimately wind up killing who knows how many people.
brian simpson
But I think Dick Cheney would have got a better reaction than this guy.
joe rogan
You think people would have been sad that Dick Cheney got shot?
Well, they would have thought it's very dangerous because whenever a vice president gets shot, everybody feels vulnerable.
brian simpson
I think that's something that you can partisanize.
Partisanize a word?
I think it's something you can make partisan.
But like I said, this was special.
That's what's special about this is...
joe rogan
Everybody got fucked over by interest.
brian simpson
Everybody got fucked over.
So there's people that love Dick Cheney, or there's people that still hold those politics from back then.
joe rogan
I don't know if anybody loved Dick Cheney.
That's why it was really crazy when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala, and they were all like, yeah, like, what?
That guy?
What?
brian simpson
You forgot?
Yeah, but I just mean, I don't think he is as hated as...
I mean, the truth is, nobody knew that CEO's name before this, but...
The whole business is hated.
He became the face of that.
It's definitely apolitical.
I don't know a single person that hasn't had an issue with health insurance.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well...
Again, it's a business.
It's a business designed to make money.
And all of them want to make, I mean, they have an obligation.
They need to make more money next quarter.
What can we do?
What can we do?
They start denying people.
And if you're using AI, like, specifically to deny people, like, let's make this more efficient.
brian simpson
Is that what's happening now?
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true, but I've read it.
I've read it that some insurance companies are using AI to deny more claims than ever.
See if that's true.
I wouldn't be shocked.
Would you be shocked?
If you're a company and you're trying to make the most money and you find out that there's software that will allow you to make more money and all you care about is making money, you're not really caring about health care.
You don't want people to feel...
If you did, you'd say, we should all make less money and give out more money to these people.
We could, you know, accept more claims and we would have a much healthier world and we would feel better karmically, right?
Wouldn't that be nice if they thought like that?
You'd have to own the company.
You'd have to be like a guru, like a really calm, peaceful guru, and you would own the company and just have an ethical insurance company and not give anybody's stake in it.
Don't let anybody try to juice the system because they want to make more money.
brian simpson
Oh, like not a public company.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Stay private.
Stay private.
brian simpson
Yeah, but don't you think the type of person that would even want to make an insurance company...
I think you would have to be a certain type.
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I should profit from suffering somehow.
joe rogan
Well, you're gambling, right?
You're gambling that something doesn't happen to you that's more expensive than all the payments you give me every month for 10 years.
brian simpson
Because I think if you start heading in that direction of ethical health care, eventually you're going to arrive at it.
There shouldn't be health insurance.
It should just cost what it costs.
joe rogan
Well, it should probably be the same way we treat the fire department.
But if we're going to do that and people say, what about all these people that are obese?
What about all these people that are eating bad food?
Yeah.
We've got to educate our society.
We have to think of ourselves as a community, as a collective community, educate ourselves, and healthcare should be something that's paid for by the government.
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Like, you're fucked.
Yeah, for most people, especially people that work all day and you're dealing with this shit, you're fucked.
jamie vernon
I think this is in California.
joe rogan
Landmark law prohibits health insurance companies from using AI to deny healthcare coverage.
All right.
That's great.
Especially like using it specifically to deny.
So that's California.
That's great law.
The whole country should adopt that.
brian simpson
Using AI to deny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I really think that the problem is that there's been a long history of profit for healthcare and that they go into it to profit.
And the real problem with that is you want, but you also want the best surgeons.
You want the best doctors, and they have to be motivated.
And most of them are motivated both by excelling in their practice and also by material possessions that reward them.
Doctors always have a Porsche.
Doctors have a Mercedes.
Doctors have a nice house.
You should be a doctor, Brian.
You should be a nice doctor.
Doctors make a lot of money.
But they also have a fuckload of bills, and they have a fuckload of insurance.
The problem with them is liability insurance.
Like, liability insurance for malpractice insurance for doctors is crazy expensive.
brian simpson
But don't doctors still make good money in countries?
joe rogan
They do, but they're constantly moving people in and out of their office because they got a fucking heavy nut to cover every month.
Yes, UnitedHealth is facing multiple class-action lawsuits over its use of algorithms, its investment practices, and its treatment of patients.
Algorithm used claim processing.
UnitedHealth is facing a class-action lawsuit over the algorithm it uses to process claims.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, monsters.
Monsters.
But this is also because we've set up a system of profit.
Now imagine if that system of profit existed for the fire department.
Imagine if you had to pay fire department fees every month.
And if you didn't and your house burned, they go, hey, Brian, we just checked and you don't have fire coverage.
And so now you're fucked.
That sounds crazy.
That's crazy, right?
brian simpson
Yeah.
I mean, I haven't seen it happen.
joe rogan
So we agree that the fire department should be kind of a socialist organization.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
Why not health care?
brian simpson
Yeah, that's how I feel.
joe rogan
But then the problem is, you know, Dr. fucking Grossman, he wants a Ferrari.
He's the baddest motherfucker for fixing knees.
He fixes everybody's knees on the Lakers.
He wants some money.
brian simpson
Give him a Ferrari.
joe rogan
He's the best!
Yeah, but the problem with that is, like, how much does everybody get paid?
Does the government just pay everybody the same way they're getting paid now?
Or does it become like a government job, like, you know...
Like, you're a state-appointed defense attorney.
brian simpson
It becomes like the NFL. You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like, not as motivated as some, like, super high-powered defense attorney that, you know, handles huge cases and knows the law inside.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, who's going to fix you now?
Because, like, my friends in Canada, they say, yeah, health care is free.
But, like, one of my friends, she had to wait, my friend Jen, she had to wait, like, a year plus to get an ACL surgery.
And it's all fucked up still.
So for this ACL surgery, she's waiting a whole year to get her knee fixed.
I hope I'm not speaking out of school.
I'm pretty sure it was close to a year.
And so she's got a bad knee for a year.
Whereas, like, in America, you're supposed to be able to go to the doctor.
The doctor says your health care is covered.
Oh, yep, you definitely tore your ACL, Brian.
Okay, well, good news is you're covered.
You know, you have a deductible, but this is your deductible.
Okay, we can schedule you for February 16th.
This is what we need you to do.
No aspirin, no this, no that.
You know, don't eat within eight hours you get here because you're going to go under.
They tell you they prep you for surgery.
brian simpson
Or they tell you all of that, and then they go, oh, actually, you're not covered.
Because you didn't tell us about this thing from...
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Okay, well I still need the surgery and I don't have $50,000.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
That's the shitty part.
Yeah, because there's some people that are healthy and they take care of themselves and they pay their insurance and then they get a tumor or something unforeseen.
joe rogan
Yes.
100%.
brian simpson
And they're completely fucked.
joe rogan
They're completely fucked.
brian simpson
And it's like, that shouldn't be possible.
joe rogan
Well, how about this fire insurance deal in California?
brian simpson
What happened?
joe rogan
A giant percentage of those people that lost their homes in that fire, they didn't have insurance.
These insurance companies pulled out a fire coverage.
brian simpson
Oh, bro, did you also know there's fucking, there's fires, the same thing's happening in South America and Africa.
Really?
Yeah, just whole places burning the fuck down.
I'm shocked that I'm not hearing more about that.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about the fires.
There's satellite video.
Of those fires, all three of them starting at the same time.
You ever seen it?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
It's super suspicious.
Super, super suspicious.
brian simpson
There's satellite footage of all the three fires starting at the same time.
joe rogan
Simultaneously.
Yeah.
You want to see it?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You need to see it because it's so creepy.
I think it was arson.
I think somebody did it.
Whether it was a schizophrenic person, a firebug.
There's a lot of those people that are firebugs, man.
There's people that are like actual arsonists.
And when you get into the conditions that happen in the Santa Ana winds when California's dry, like you remember when it was.
You were there in 2018 with that big crazy fire, right?
Did you see any of that on the 405?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was insane.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And I remember there being a big one probably like 2000. 7-2 or 2008?
joe rogan
The thing is, it doesn't have to be some crazy conspiracy.
People think it's a conspiracy, a land grab, this whole thing.
Maybe.
Maybe.
But also, people start fires.
It's a known crime.
In fact, one of the people that they arrested, he had a fake fire truck.
So this dude was a known arsonist, I believe from Oregon.
He bought a fire truck with a fireman's outfit and was going into these areas.
brian simpson
That's actually hilarious.
joe rogan
And he's an arsonist.
So he's probably starting fires.
brian simpson
He's an arsonist with a fire truck.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
But some people are just out of their fucking minds, man.
Including a lot of firemen.
That's a problem with firemen.
There's been firemen who have started fires.
brian simpson
But it's wild that you...
I feel like if you go to prison for arson...
Like, you purposely burnish it.
If they let you out, they should at least track you like they track pedos.
joe rogan
Well, you've killed a lot of people.
Like, if one of these, if someone, a human being, was caught that definitely lit these three fires that appear simultaneously...
If a human being did that, they're responsible for I don't know how many deaths.
How many people died?
I think it's 25 or something like that.
25 burned alive.
brian simpson
How much damage?
How many people are going to die later?
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The damage?
joe rogan
Sure.
Like, you're in jail for the rest of your life for everything.
For the damage.
You're in jail for the rest of your life.
You owe $350 billion and counting.
It's $350 billion of damage.
And then Altadena's gone.
brian simpson
And aren't they still having the Grammys or whatever?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
They probably are.
Well, we did the UFC there.
We did the UFC like in the middle of the fires.
brian simpson
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I didn't think we were going to do it.
I was like, are we going to do it here?
And Dana was like, we're going to do it.
The Clippers are going to play there on, I forget what day, but earlier in the week.
And if the Clippers play, we're going to do it.
Otherwise, they were going to do Vegas.
They were just going to move everybody to Vegas.
If it got worse.
Because they keep starting.
New ones start.
brian simpson
Oh, there's not over?
joe rogan
No.
There's one that's up in Santa Clarita.
Somebody started one up there or something started one up there.
The 2018 they know was an accident because they know there was a part, the part that cost one dollar.
That one part failed and it started a fire.
A one dollar part.
brian simpson
Yeah, I think we're going to see more and more of this.
joe rogan
Well, they have to fix it.
They have to fix it.
You have to clean up the brush.
You have to do what they did with the water where they opened up the water from the north to come flow freely down to the south and not divert it into the Pacific Ocean.
To fill up the reservoir that you had that was 11 million gallons that was empty, you fucking psychos.
Like, what are you doing?
You clearly...
Haven't taken the right steps if that can happen.
It can be at least mitigated.
You're always going to have those crazy wins.
You're always going to have arsonists.
You're always going to have things that fuck up where something starts a fire accidentally.
brian simpson
Don't they do all that shit every year?
Don't they do like controlled burns and all that stuff every year?
joe rogan
Fact check old satellite footage falsely linked to 2025 LA wildfires.
So what is that video of three fires starting simultaneously?
Because people were saying it was the California fires.
jamie vernon
Is this the video?
joe rogan
I don't know.
jamie vernon
This is just a picture, but this is from 2024's fires.
These fires are in a different spot than the ones that just happened.
joe rogan
So I don't know if that's the one.
It's hard to say.
jamie vernon
This is the caption from the post.
joe rogan
So it's miscaptioned.
So it's not true.
What about the one where it shows a person starting the fire?
Because there is one video where they think that they have an image, an actual image of a guy starting a fire.
jamie vernon
I think it was a person near it, but I'll double check.
joe rogan
Whoops, just happened to be near it with a blowtorch.
How about that guy?
They caught that one guy?
And he's like, I was just lighting my joint.
He had a blowtorch in his hand.
And they made it like a citizen's arrest.
brian simpson
Yeah, but he might have been telling the truth.
joe rogan
Nope.
Dude had been arrested like eight times.
He had vandalism, all kinds of shit on his resume.
Violent crimes, I believe.
brian simpson
That don't mean he was lying.
joe rogan
Well, he was running around in a fire with a blowtorch.
Hey, bro, put that down.
brian simpson
How you gonna light your shit?
joe rogan
A lighter?
He said he couldn't afford a lighter.
Bitch, a lighter is a quarter.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's wild.
I mean, it's wild just to carry a blowtorch around.
joe rogan
How much is a lighter?
How much is one of them little Bic lighters?
brian simpson
A dollar?
joe rogan
Is that a dollar?
brian simpson
Yeah, like a dollar.
Maybe it's probably a dollar twenty-something.
joe rogan
See, if it's made in America, it's going to cost more.
All right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Otherwise, China's going to chop off our fucking supply of Bix.
Who makes Bix?
Am I guessing?
brian simpson
See, in my head, I was thinking like...
You're in the house.
You can't find the lighter.
So you're like, I got a torch.
I'm going to just use that.
But you're saying he was like walking around outside.
joe rogan
They found him out where the fires were with a blowtorch.
And he said it was empty.
He said, Google, it's empty.
brian simpson
Even if you're telling the truth, your stupid ass deserves just the inconvenience.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a criminal.
What was I just going to ask you to Google?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find a picture of a satellite of a person near the fire when it started.
joe rogan
Huberman filmed people starting fires.
Andrew Huberman.
He was driving down the street and he caught these guys starting a fire and filmed it, put it on his phone.
It's like people are starting fires here.
Because you got all these homeless people and crazy people and people that want to burn it all down, man.
And while the fire is going on, they feel like, fuck it, man.
Let's help this fucking fire.
Fuck these rich people.
I mean, it's the Palisades.
They're like the richest people in all of L.A. You think that's their motivations?
Yeah, I think a lot of that for the arsonists.
I think it's a lot of it is like, fuck society, my life sucks.
I think a lot of people just, there's crazy people like the guy from Oregon that are almost like amateur firefighters, amateur arsonists.
That's their side project.
brian simpson
Did you see Chappelle talk about it on his SNL monologue?
joe rogan
I didn't.
brian simpson
Man, it's the best one ever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Easy.
joe rogan
I know, I need to sit down and watch it.
Everybody tells me it's awesome.
brian simpson
It's the best monologue I've ever seen on SNL. Well, he talked about Palestine.
joe rogan
He compares Palestine to...
brian simpson
Yeah, he pretty much went through all the major things that's going on.
joe rogan
The Palestine thing is nuts.
I watched a video yesterday of Gaza, and I don't know if you've seen flyover drone footage of what it looks like now.
brian simpson
Nope.
joe rogan
You want to see it?
brian simpson
Yeah, let's see it.
joe rogan
Or do you want to live your life with rose-colored glasses?
brian simpson
No, I want to see it.
Because like I said, I never see shit like this.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
You shouldn't go looking for it.
Good.
I won't send it to you anymore.
brian simpson
No, I don't mind how people send me the news, but I just don't actively go seek it out.
joe rogan
This is so depressing.
brian simpson
Because I'm like, if it's something I need to know, somebody will tell me about it.
joe rogan
There's a lot of before and after videos where they show someone driving down a road before and they show what it all looks like now.
It's like the city doesn't exist anymore.
It's like if way bigger than downtown Austin wiped off the map.
Look at this.
This is crazy.
So this is flying drone footage over Gaza City, and it's just everything's destroyed.
Everything's destroyed.
It's like a, like a nuke went off.
Look at this.
From the sky, when you look at it, like, as far as the eye can see, just destruction.
Everything's got a missile hole in it.
Everything's collapsed.
Everything's fucked up.
Every now and then, like, one house or one building in between is untouched.
But most of it is fucking destroyed.
If I was the guy who lived next door to that house that's perfect, I'd be like, who did you pay, motherfucker?
Right?
He doesn't even get blown up once.
brian simpson
I mean, this is crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
And this is right now.
Right now.
And somehow we're being fed that this is the only way to do this.
And that somehow I know this is acceptable to get rid of Hamas, just to completely annihilate everybody.
I mean, the number of people that are dead now is off the charts.
They don't even know how many.
brian simpson
Bro, this looks insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
Insane.
It's insane.
And it's happening right now.
brian simpson
This is how it used to look?
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
This is what it used to look like.
Look at that.
Shops and cars.
And now it's just...
Just destroyed.
Everything destroyed.
They bombed the fuck out of everything.
brian simpson
Bro, this shit make you feel something.
joe rogan
Well, this is like...
This is never coming back.
Like, this is, like, they essentially, like, moved everybody out of there.
Like, who's going to stay there now?
brian simpson
What is all of this?
What is all of this?
What is that?
What is all of this?
joe rogan
Tents.
Tents where people have to, like, stay in tents.
And by the way, they might bomb those tents, too.
The whole thing is very scary, dude, because it's just at a level of destruction that's impossible to say.
That you support it.
It's like, this is insane.
These are human lives.
Like, how many people are dying here?
Is this the only way to do this?
Is this the only way to do this?
This seems crazy.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And how did you guys get to this point?
brian simpson
Damn.
See, man.
See, Joe, this is why I avoid the news.
It's because all the stupidest people I know are happy as shit.
So I'm like, I just need to know less.
And I can enjoy.
joe rogan
I think there's something to that.
But I think we kind of need to pay attention nowadays.
I think things are getting real weird.
Real weird.
brian simpson
Because you know what it is?
It's the death of truth.
It's hard to know what's true.
You hear something, it sounds true.
And then you hear something else, go, that's not true.
And then both can point you to links and studies.
And you're like, it's just stressful trying to figure out what's correct and what isn't.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's on purpose.
brian simpson
I know.
joe rogan
That's on purpose.
They're doing a real good job of confusing people.
And everybody thinks they're right.
Everybody thinks they're right, yeah.
And there's also a lot of stuff that's going on behind the scenes, like a lot of the way stories are amplified is to serve as a distraction from other things that are taking place at the same time.
Like, they love to do stuff like that, where they'll push out a story, like some inflammatory story.
Really, the design of that story is to get you distracted from other things that are going on simultaneously.
That's what I think a lot of this, when I think about the UFO stuff, I'm always like, man, if I wanted something to distract the shit out of people, this is a really good one.
Not saying that that's what they're doing, but it makes me...
brian simpson
Did you see the scientific discovery yesterday?
joe rogan
No, you were about to tell me at the beginning.
brian simpson
They found an asteroid.
joe rogan
Oh, I did see this.
brian simpson
And it had like...
Most of the ingredients for life.
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
Like all the amino acids.
Not all of them, but like all but three.
And then all of, I forget what the big ass word this lady used.
But I think this was a theory before, but it's becoming more and more likely that life was seeded by an asteroid or something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a theory called panspermia.
brian simpson
Panspermia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it also accounts for some things that don't fit in.
Like psilocybin mushrooms.
There's something very alien about them.
One of the things about spores is that spores can survive almost anything.
They can survive in a vacuum.
They can survive through space.
Spores are insanely durable.
If you have the potential for all of these amino acids and different minerals, and there was absolutely salt on that, right?
Wasn't there salt on that?
I don't know.
brian simpson
Let me see.
joe rogan
I think there was a bunch of different elements of life on that asteroid.
And why not spores?
And if, you know, some mushroom that grows on another planet where these human beings interact with nature through it, then it just lands here on Earth.
Did you find it?
brian simpson
Osiris Rex mission.
So they found amino acids, nucleotide bases, minerals from salt water, and more.
joe rogan
So that means it has all the building blocks of life, and it comes from salt water.
And a chunk of it comes flying off.
Isn't that nutty?
Like, that's how a lot of things...
They think that's, like, maybe how the water got here?
That's one of the theories.
Yeah, that, like, comets.
brian simpson
A comet, yeah.
joe rogan
That comets hit us, and that's where we got the water.
Is that a real theory still?
Because they change those.
You know, like, they look at them and they go, well, maybe.
Like, now they're wondering whether dark energy is real.
They think maybe time moves differently in between galaxies.
Like, they've got some, like, new theory.
brian simpson
Yeah, I've heard...
I think I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about that recently.
joe rogan
All of it is like, what are you even saying?
brian simpson
Or that gravity is different in different places?
Something like that?
joe rogan
They think that gravity and space-time moves differently in the voids in between galaxies and planets.
brian simpson
Wait a minute.
Who's saying that?
joe rogan
Who's saying that?
Like, what are you saying?
unidentified
I don't know.
brian simpson
Right.
That's what I'm saying, bro.
joe rogan
Are they thinking that's what accounts for the...
brian simpson
I just need to know less because it's breaking my brain.
joe rogan
That's why they're apart from each other.
It's not that dark energy is pushing them away from each other.
I don't know.
This is the theory of dark matter and dark energy.
It's like 90-something percent of the universe is this theory.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
So what does that mean?
So if it's not that, then is 90 percent of the universe what?
It's like just space-time moving in a different way?
What happened?
brian simpson
Yeah.
I mean, science has been kind of killing it.
joe rogan
Well...
They've got some new tools now, like that James Webb telescope.
That thing's crazy.
brian simpson
Remember when I first told you about it hadn't launched yet?
And I was like, that's going to change everything.
joe rogan
Well, I remember Duncan told me something about it a long time ago.
He said they found something that they think is at least 22 billion years old.
They found some star cluster or something that they think is 22 billion years old.
So it throws the whole Big Bang thing into a tizzy.
brian simpson
Is he talking about the Methuselah star?
joe rogan
No.
That's interesting, too, because the Methuselah star is actually older somehow than the entire universe, which doesn't make any sense.
It's like 14 plus billion years old, so it's like a little bit older than what they think was the Big Bang.
brian simpson
But then didn't somebody recently, well, not recently, but didn't someone say that it's still within the...
Margin of error?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's still within the margin.
The Methuselah star is.
But not this new discovery.
So the new discovery for the James Webb Telescope is they found galaxies that formed too quickly.
And they formed so long ago.
Like so far away because they could see bigger now.
That it's changing.
Like there's two things possible.
Maybe we were wrong about how quickly galaxies form.
Maybe they form way quicker.
Or maybe the universe is way older than we think it is.
So maybe the reason why these things exist, and then you could find them, and then although there's things that like blink in and that they exist at one point in time and don't exist anymore, they don't know what the fuck those are, these red lights, these red spots that they found in the universe, but they think that...
People are very reluctant to commit, right?
Because they don't really know.
But the potential is that the universe is not 14 or 13 point whatever billion years old, but maybe as old as 24 billion years old.
Or maybe...
brian simpson
The next time you come in here, I want to be in here the next time you have one of these motherfuckers.
These Lawrence Krausses.
joe rogan
You want to be in here with that?
brian simpson
Yeah!
Because I love...
I'm fascinated by this kind of shit.
joe rogan
The problem with two people talking is, like, I got to, like, lock in on these dudes.
brian simpson
I just want to listen.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'd want you to chime in, too.
With some of these people, you have to have one-on-one.
Because even if I do two guests, everybody always has something cool to say, right?
And then someone else is talking, and it's hard.
It's hard to work it.
When you've got someone who's talking about something very esoteric, very difficult to grasp, they're talking about quantum physics.
They're trying to explain to you.
The the these the dynamics of these subatomic particles like what?
You need like one person just locked on every time I hear quantum physicists talk.
I never understand everything they say Bro, I barely understand a fraction of what they're talking about even when they talking about other shit Yeah.
They're operating on a different level.
brian simpson
Let Eric Weinstein try to give you a fucking recipe.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Jesus Christ, man.
joe rogan
Weinstein's crazy smart in a spooky way.
brian simpson
I know, but he forgets how much smarter than...
joe rogan
Right.
He'll talk to you in a way that you're like, I don't even know what you're saying.
brian simpson
Yeah, but like, I don't have that degree, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he has a theory of everything.
I do not understand it at all.
I don't know how many people could follow it.
I don't understand it.
But that kind of person that would sit around and try to create a theory of everything, he's of the belief that potentially we're looking at US-made stuff that's like super advanced and that they've put a lid on it somehow.
brian simpson
But what would be the purpose of that?
joe rogan
Because I think if you develop something in secrecy, like they do all the time with like the stealth bomber, all these different things, even the Manhattan Project, you develop things in secrecy.
And then there comes a time where you test them, you use them, you have them, but then are you going to admit you have them?
Because then the enemy is going to infiltrate.
They're going to find out you have them.
There's espionage.
They're going to steal your information.
They've been doing that forever.
We talked about these back doors that China has and all our electronics, or potentially could have, right?
How many things are vulnerable because of AI now?
How many things are vulnerable because everything's attached to the internet?
How many things can be hacked?
Who fucking knows?
A very uniquely vulnerable position in terms of if someone did have that kind of technology that could take over AI systems, that could kill the power grid, that could fly things through the sky autonomously, that move at speeds that are impossible to imagine with conventional aircraft, and can really, like you said, park it over.
The White House.
Maybe part of what he's saying is true.
Maybe he really did write that.
Maybe someone wrote that and it's like some truth and some wacky shit to try to throw you off of the truth, which is also a strategy that gets used.
When you have something that's like a real conspiracy, you know what you do?
You attach it to a bunch of other shit like witchcraft, voodoo, fucking ghosts.
Attach it to stupid shit.
brian simpson
Make it sound crazy.
joe rogan
Make it sound crazy.
Yeah, these people came from...
Bigfoot is an interdimensional traveler who communicates with people telepathically.
Add some stuff to it that just makes it stupid, but inside of it have the truth.
They definitely do that.
They do that to make people's stories seem stupid when they go and tell them to the press.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, that's what I would do if it was in my interest to keep some kind of weird thing secret.
Tell people, you're just going to sound crazy?
joe rogan
Well, if you were, like, abducted by a UFO, you're going to sound crazy.
What are you going to do?
brian simpson
Like, you walk in the green room and you see me changing heads.
I turn around like, oh!
joe rogan
Have you been a robot this whole time?
brian simpson
Yeah, it's like, no one will leave you.
joe rogan
Yeah, the new alien Romulus.
Have you seen the new one?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, it was great.
Actually, I saw it.
That was the first time I actually enjoyed one of those, I don't know, they call them 4D or D-Box.
They got the smoke and all that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, you went to one of those places?
brian simpson
I saw that movie, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good move.
brian simpson
Yeah, and the thing is, it's not a consistent experience yet, but that was the best one I've had so far.
Especially when I realized you could turn the water off.
Because when the aliens spray, some of the shit get on you and shit.
It's like a spray from the ceiling.
And I was like, you know, I'm having a good time.
joe rogan
But I don't want to get wet.
brian simpson
But can I turn this fucking water off?
But you can.
I just didn't realize it for way too long.
joe rogan
It was the first of these alien movies since the original that captured the spirit of the original one.
Like the fear of going through the corridors, not knowing where that thing is, it hunting you, the way it got to those people.
That was a good Alien movie.
I think that was the best Alien movie since Alien 1. I think.
brian simpson
Alien 2 was like that, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Alien 2, they were too easy to kill.
I didn't like how they could just gun them down.
brian simpson
But you're right.
It was the same sort of...
I don't know.
Prometheus was kind of the same kind of spirit, too.
joe rogan
Prometheus was pretty good.
Covenant was better.
I liked Covenant.
Covenant was really good.
Michael Fassbender, he's the shit.
brian simpson
I didn't like Prometheus until the second time I watched it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
brian simpson
Yeah, because it wasn't what I was expecting, you know?
But once I saw it like on its own merit...
joe rogan
I think Covenant's better.
Prometheus is pretty good, but you know, they had this story to tell about like seeding DNA and fucking the operators.
brian simpson
Yeah, Covenant was the one where they landed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Okay, yeah, that was great.
joe rogan
The other one was the actual human-like aliens and their planet and they have some war and they all die and this one guy comes to...
Remember?
These guys.
Remember?
That's Prometheus.
brian simpson
I forget what they called them.
joe rogan
Did they call them the operators?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
But there was...
It said no xenomorphs.
brian simpson
They didn't have a war.
They were seeding other planets.
joe rogan
They're going to do a Prometheus 2. It says no xenomorphs in Prometheus 2. Oh, they're going to have a Prometheus 2. These could be old articles.
jamie vernon
I'm just...
joe rogan
I hope they do another one.
Because you have like a whole universe of alien possibilities now because they skip timelines and shit, you know?
Like this one is like right after the Nostromo gets blown up and they find it and they find the dude, you know, you saw it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking good.
brian simpson
Well, you know what was dope about Aliens 1 and...
What was the one?
The one...
joe rogan
Prometheus?
brian simpson
No, no.
joe rogan
Aliens 2?
brian simpson
The latest one.
joe rogan
Oh, uh...
God, what did I call it?
Romulus.
brian simpson
So what they had in common was like the protagonist didn't know what they were dealing with.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
So that made it more exciting.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Because it was right afterwards.
So people hadn't known yet.
brian simpson
Yeah, and all the other aliens after that was like...
Yeah.
We was like, I know exactly how to deal with these motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Exactly, right.
Get away from her, you bitch!
brian simpson
Please believe me!
joe rogan
Yeah, when she's got the fucking robot suit on.
I didn't like that either.
That thing would fuck her up in that robot suit.
brian simpson
Wasn't there one where she gave birth to one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sigourney Weaver was probably the first woman that was the badass in the lead of a science fiction action movie.
And it was 1979.
brian simpson
Bro, speaking of which, yo, Charlize Theron...
It's a movie on Netflix.
I have no idea why it wasn't bigger, but it's called, like, She's Immortal.
Can you look it up?
joe rogan
She's Immortal?
brian simpson
Yeah, she leads this team of immortals, and they're like mercenaries or whatever.
joe rogan
So it's like a superhero movie?
brian simpson
Kind of.
jamie vernon
Old Guard.
brian simpson
Old Guard.
It's good as shit.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
brian simpson
She's real good at playing like a badass.
You know, she played Furiosa?
She killed that shit.
joe rogan
Well, she also played Eileen Wuornos, that serial killer bitch.
brian simpson
Yeah, she don't fuck around.
joe rogan
She's a beautiful woman.
She gained like 50 fucking pounds to play that person.
brian simpson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she got fat, shaved her eyebrows off, looked disgusting.
Charlize Theron is beautiful.
She's stunningly good looking.
I've seen her in person.
And then you see what she looked like in that movie.
You know the kind of courage that it takes to do that?
brian simpson
Let me see it.
joe rogan
Oh, you never saw Monster?
brian simpson
Oh, okay, I've seen Monster.
joe rogan
Monster's a great fucking movie.
Shout out to my friend Patty Jenkins who made it.
But that movie was like...
No ladies do that.
Like, Robert De Niro did that.
You know?
Marky Mark's done that.
Stallone got fat for a movie.
They'll do that.
But, like, for her?
brian simpson
Wow.
joe rogan
Bro.
Crazy.
And she looks just like that lady.
brian simpson
No, but I didn't see this.
I was mixing this up with another movie called, like, I Pissed on Your Grave or something.
joe rogan
Oh.
brian simpson
Yeah, there's a revenge movie called I Pissed on Your Grave.
joe rogan
I was telling you before, you know what's good?
It's Nosferatu.
brian simpson
I'm going to go watch it right now.
I'm going to download it for the plane, actually.
joe rogan
I'm saying it right now.
It's the best vampire movie ever.
Ever.
The best vampire movie ever.
brian simpson
That's a big statement.
joe rogan
That's a big statement.
I'm saying it.
It's the best vampire movie ever.
It's the creepiest vampire movie ever.
brian simpson
So you're saying it's better than Blade.
joe rogan
Blade was awesome.
Blade was a superhero movie.
More than it was a...
brian simpson
So you don't count Blade as a vampire movie?
joe rogan
It was a vampire movie in that the superhero had to kill the vampires, but it's a Marvel comic guy.
I've known Blade since I was a teenager.
I was into Marvel comics.
brian simpson
So Blade's a vampire movie the way that Die Hard's a Christmas movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, Blade was a badass martial artist who was half vampire who was fucking up vampires.
He was the Daywalker.
It's a fun superhero movie, more than anything.
brian simpson
But the movie wasn't really about the vampire.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
It was like they were the enemy and he was the good guy.
That was the movie.
The movie was essentially, you know, revenge.
They killed Riddler.
Oh, shit.
brian simpson
So what about, like, what's the one, the teenage heartthrobby one?
That kind of ruined it.
joe rogan
Oh, Twilight?
Yeah, that's bullshit.
brian simpson
But do you consider those vampire movies?
joe rogan
Yeah, those are vampire movies.
They're fun.
They're fun.
If you're a girl, there's a lot of stuff that girls like that I don't like.
I don't have to like it for it to be good.
Obviously, it made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.
People love those movies.
brian simpson
But you know, I'm not one of those people that's like, it doesn't have to be good for me to like it.
Because there's a lot of people that like bad movies.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
I can't get with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not a fan of watching bad movies, but Nosferatu is good.
brian simpson
There's a trailer for Nosferatu?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's really good, dude.
It's really good.
Like, for real, if you like a good old-fashioned, hard vampire movie, and the dude who plays Count Orlok is the dude who played Pennywise in It.
brian simpson
Oh, wait.
joe rogan
And it's the best vampire ever.
They're probably not going to show you anything in the trailer, what he looked like.
But holy shit, dude, there's this one scene where you get to see his whole body naked when he rises up out of the coffin.
Spoiler alert, it's insane.
And not just creepy, but beautifully shot.
brian simpson
Oh, I remember seeing previews for this.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, it's good.
It's good.
It's good.
And they're not going to even show you.
Even in the trailer, they don't show you the vampire.
brian simpson
See, I like that.
joe rogan
When you do get to see the dude, It's incredible.
That's not real.
That is like some fan-made shit.
There's a video where you could see him.
Google Orlok.
brian simpson
So much of the shit on the internet is bullshit.
jamie vernon
I try not to spoil it for Brian.
joe rogan
What?
What he looks like?
jamie vernon
It's a big reveal in the movie.
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
But it's based on the image, the way he looks is based on the original Legend of Dracula, which was a guy named Vlad the Impaler.
brian simpson
Oh, he was real?
joe rogan
Yeah.
This is what he looks like in this.
But you gotta see it.
This is a very toned down version of it.
It's incredible.
If you like a good scary horror movie, it's the best vampire movie.
brian simpson
I love a reveal.
joe rogan
It's a great reveal.
It's really good.
And they drag it out.
You get to see him kind of in the beginning, and then eventually you get to really see him.
And you're like, oh my god.
brian simpson
And this isn't my take.
I've heard other people talk about it like this, but that's the other thing that made Alien great.
It's like you don't always show the monster.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
brian simpson
Because like horror is like seeing the monster and how much it's going to definitely kill you.
Yes.
But like terror is like knowing that there's some shit in here and I don't know what the fuck it is.
joe rogan
You need a little foreplay.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
It's like I walk in.
joe rogan
Before you get horrified.
brian simpson
Why is Johnson dead?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
I was just in here with it.
What the fuck?
Why the wall built it?
You know, that's the...
That's the shit that makes it good.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
And this movie does it perfect.
brian simpson
Jaws.
joe rogan
Jaws.
brian simpson
That's why Jaws was such a hit.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right.
That's right.
brian simpson
Jaws was great.
It still holds up.
unidentified
It still holds up.
brian simpson
You ever seen Predator?
joe rogan
Predator holds up.
brian simpson
That still holds up.
The first Predator?
joe rogan
If it bleeds, we can kill it.
brian simpson
No, no, no.
My favorite line is when...
joe rogan
Jesse Ventura?
brian simpson
No, no.
When they walk into the woods and the old boy keeps making noise, he goes, you bucking this motherfucker.
He'd tell them, if you keep making noise, I'm going to bleed you.
I'm going to leave you out here.
I forget what the word is he used, but he was like, you telling everybody where the fuck we at.
By the way, you moving, talking, tripping, sliding.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's something about that.
The idea that a sporting alien would come down and hunt people.
That's uniquely scary.
brian simpson
So many iconic scenes in there, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
The joint with a native dude is like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
I'm going to take off my shit.
I'm going to cut my chest.
That's a fucking dope one.
The one where Arnold and Apollo Creed, where they do this right here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
So this is what's wild.
That's a meme now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Right?
But just their arms.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
brian simpson
And a lot of people don't even know that it's from Predator.
They just see it like that's the meme.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
brian simpson
Yeah, I've tried to show that to one of my nephews.
He was like, oh, that's the cooperation meme or whatever the fuck they call it.
joe rogan
They started getting silly with Aliens vs.
Predator.
Remember that?
They were doing that for a while.
There it is.
brian simpson
I'm here for that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's an arm wrestling senior Predator.
Yeah, that's it.
brian simpson
They're like, this is how two badasses say hello.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have arm wrestling in the air.
It's so stupid.
It's so dumb.
brian simpson
No, this movie was...
the dialogue is crazy.
joe rogan
That's back when Carl Weathers was jacked!
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay, okay, okay.
You didn't know when to quit, huh?
brian simpson
You didn't know when to quit, huh?
unidentified
What is this fucking Thai business?
Oh, come on.
Forget about my Thai business.
joe rogan
The way they acted back then was like it was a different form of language.
It's like it seems so fake.
If that was like a director today, like the same director that did Nosferatu, he'd be like, cut, cut!
What are we doing?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you guys really meeting each other for the first time?
Or is this like a play?
brian simpson
Come on.
joe rogan
Convince me.
brian simpson
Bro, the run that Arnold had.
joe rogan
Oh, he did a gang of great movies.
brian simpson
Like, just action.
Like, he's the action star.
joe rogan
Conan, bro.
He did Conan.
brian simpson
Conan the Barbarian.
joe rogan
You know who was the best Conan, though?
brian simpson
What?
joe rogan
Jason Momoa.
Jason Momoa did a terrible Conan movie, but he was the best Conan.
Because he was the only Conan that looked like Conan really looked.
Like Conan was like super muscular, but he wasn't a bodybuilder.
He looked like a killer.
He looked like a UFC fighter.
He looked like Yuri Prohaska would be a good Conan.
Like that kind of build.
Like a big strong guy, but not a bodybuilder.
And also it's like the film was more stylistically appropriate to like the Conan lore.
brian simpson
What do you mean how Conan looked?
joe rogan
In the books.
brian simpson
Oh, I didn't know Conan was books.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I'm a super Conan nerd.
Super nerd.
brian simpson
So there was like a comic book before?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it was a book.
Robert E. Howard, he wrote books about Conan the Conqueror.
And he created this whole, like, world of Samaria, where he's from, and this whole lore of this one usurper who rises and kills everybody.
And that's Conan.
And he slays dragons and monsters and demons and, you know, I think he comes back from the dead at one point in time.
Like, he's the greatest warrior of all time.
brian simpson
You know what Conan was for me as a kid?
It was my first, like, John Wick.
Right, right, right.
Where it was like, oh, this dude gonna fuck everything up.
joe rogan
That's how the books were.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
The books were incredible.
The books were written by a guy who lived with his mom and committed suicide.
So the dude was like, he was getting, he wanted, his life sucked.
He was super depressed.
And he got thrill out of imagining him being Conan the Barbarian.
And conquering lands and having sex with all these beautiful women and killing sorcerers.
brian simpson
They came up after he died?
joe rogan
No, they were, this is like in the 19...
jamie vernon
The 30s?
joe rogan
The 30s is when he wrote it?
Yeah.
It was a long time ago he wrote these books.
And then they turned them into comic books in the 1960s?
When did they start making Conan comic books?
So then they had the comic books, and then they had illustrated books, and then I think that was the first Conan movie, was Arnold.
I think he was the first Conan movie.
And there's been a few attempts since then, but no one has really captured...
The books, like stylistically, except for like the Jason Momoa movie.
But the movie just wasn't that good.
It just wasn't a...
Someone needs to...
You need like a real...
Like a Robert Eggers, the guy who did this Nosferatu movie.
That's his name, right?
It's Robert Eggers, right?
The guy who did the Nosferatu movie?
That guy.
Like that guy did a Conan movie?
It would be sick.
But it has to be like...
A realistic movie.
It has to be a movie of this realistic warrior encountering these crazy things.
It can't be, like, cartoonish.
It can't be like, I just have to believe this dumb shit.
Too much suspension of disbelief.
It's got to be, like, a wild movie based...
jamie vernon
The Northman.
joe rogan
Oh, The Northman was amazing!
Did you see that?
brian simpson
Yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
This kind of movie is exactly what Conan would have to be.
That movie's fucking great.
That's like one of the best Viking movies.
It's not the best one ever.
brian simpson
It's actually dark as hell.
joe rogan
Really good movie.
Oh, there's no good guys in that movie.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That movie's crazy.
And probably representative of the real life of Vikings.
The way they really lived.
unidentified
Because they were fucking ruthless.
joe rogan
That movie's great.
But it's also got like supernatural in it.
There's a lot of cool shit in that movie.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
I mean, they believed in a lot of supernatural shit.
joe rogan
If that guy directed Conan, holy shit.
Then you would get to see the real books.
Because the Robert E. Howard books were great.
brian simpson
So the same guy did Nosferatu did Northman?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Bro, it's good.
It's fucking good.
Nosferatu's one of the best movies I've seen in a long time.
It's great.
And it's so beautiful.
Like, the way it's shot is so beautiful.
There's a scene when he's walking up to the castle.
It's the creepiest setup of all time.
It's so good.
I don't want to ruin it.
It's so good.
If you like those kind of movies, I love those kind of movies.
I grew up on monster movies.
I grew up on, like, you know, that's why I have that American Werewolf in London out there.
I grew up on all of that.
brian simpson
I'm here for monsters, action, revenge.
Yeah.
That's my kind of movies.
joe rogan
Nosferatu's cinematographer promises Robert Eggers' werewolf is unlike anything done before.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
A medieval werewolf movie.
Oh, boy.
And the primary candidate has never been used in a film.
What does that mean?
brian simpson
Maybe the guy they want to lead it.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
Perfect.
The subject, like the character.
brian simpson
Oh, wait a minute.
joe rogan
So it's a new character.
brian simpson
He did The Lighthouse 2?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian simpson
That shit was weird.
jamie vernon
And The Witch.
joe rogan
Wow, that guy's done some killer fucking movies.
I'm excited about this werewolf movie.
I've been saying that forever.
Someone needs to make another good werewolf movie.
Like that Benicio Del Toro one.
jamie vernon
Specific medieval image or tale of werewolfery that's being clipped close to their chest.
So it's like a story that hasn't been made into a movie yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, but medieval.
So like candlelight, spooky.
It's going to be awesome.
brian simpson
Remember the Jack Nicholson werewolf one?
What was that called?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that was terrible.
With Michelle Pfeiffer.
That was so stupid.
They were like, ah, it looked just like a person.
brian simpson
I went and saw that.
My family went and saw that, and I went and saw a different movie.
It was the first time that, because it was like a thing we did.
We'd go to the movies like every other week.
But my father, my father, I don't give a fuck about no age limit.
And they're like, you're going to see what we see.
And this was the first time I was like, I don't want to see that shit.
And I still end up going in there after because my movie was over before this.
I think I went and saw Short Circuit 2 or something.
joe rogan
Look, he's going and chasing after this deer.
Ah, I'm a wolf.
Look, he just looks like a regular guy.
It's so dopey.
It's so silly.
Like, look at this.
They decided to make a horror movie that wasn't that scary.
And he moves like the six million dollar man.
Look, slow motion jump, obviously a stuntman.
And he's gonna tackle this deer.
And I'm supposed to believe this.
I'm supposed to believe that this dude who just looks like a dude can run faster than a fucking deer.
Look at he's running.
It's so dumb.
He's flying through the air.
Like, how does becoming a human that's part wolf make you this fast when you look exactly the same?
He's on a tree.
He flies and he grabs the deer.
This is so stupid.
It's so stupid.
The owl's freaking out.
This is crazy.
This is crazy.
Did you ever see the Benicio Del Toro one?
There's one good scene.
One good scene when the doctors are examining him, and they're trying to tell him that he's out of his fucking mind, and the doctor's speaking in one of those medical theaters, like they used to do in the 1800s, and he's explaining that this person has delusions, and they think they're going to be a wolf, and so we're going to show him by having him tied to this chair while the moon turns full, and we're going to, like, cure him of whatever the fuck is wrong with his brain.
So they have him in this thing.
Give me some volume on this.
unidentified
And once Mr. Talbot has witnessed that the full moon holds no sway over him, that he remains a perfectly ordinary human being, he will have taken his first small step down the long road to mental he will have taken his first small step down the long I can just feel everybody in this room about to die.
joe rogan
Everybody's going to die.
It's great.
brian simpson
Oh, this is awesome.
unidentified
This young man, that able to accept it, created a fantastical truth that his father is to blame.
joe rogan
His father's a werewolf.
unidentified
yes give ahead a little bit
To him, it seems very real.
Come on, get the fuck out of there, man.
The more you need to see.
Dr. Hulliger.
The more you need to see.
Dr. Hulliger.
Sneeze!
Come on!
treated by myzekielra!
- - - - - - It seems to be locked, sir.
- -
brian simpson
- - - - Everything else is great.
joe rogan
It's not like American Werewolf in London.
It's too much like the Wolfman, which is what it was kind of based on, like an updated version of the Wolfman.
The same guy who did that makeup, by the way, did the American Werewolf in London.
That was Rick Baker.
brian simpson
It was like the Teen Wolf Wolf.
joe rogan
It was, right?
It was Rick Baker that did that, right?
Yeah, Rick Baker.
So the thing is, though, it was not CGI. And that's what they were trying to achieve.
Because, like, there's a difference between the way it looks.
When it's a dude with a mask on, it looks more realistic.
Like, it doesn't take you out of it.
And there's something about CGI that even if the wolf looks good, it takes you out of it.
Like, the American Werewolf in London, you didn't get to see shit for, like, a long time.
Like, it was deep into that movie, you saw flashes of the wolf.
Until it was in Piccadilly Square and started, like, killing people.
Remember that?
brian simpson
It's been a long time since I've seen that movie.
joe rogan
The guy turns into a werewolf in the movie theater.
He goes to a dirty movie theater.
So he's in this dirty movie theater and they're playing porno films.
And he's talking to his dead friend.
He's telling him he's got to kill himself.
He's going to become a wolf and kill people.
And his friend is like rotting.
It's hilarious.
It's very funny.
And he turns into the wolf in the movie theater, kills everybody, and then bursts out onto the street and starts killing people in traffic.
brian simpson
I do remember there's a scene with a subway scene, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
There's a subway scene where there's a businessman.
He's trying to get away and he sees it.
Like, creeping up on him.
That's a good scene, too, because you barely see the wolf.
You see this guy running, and you know that it's coming after him.
You see the terrified look on his face, and at the end of the scene, you see the wolf enter into the frame at the bottom of the escalator, where this guy's, like, completely exhausted and sliding down this escalator.
brian simpson
You know the scariest movie I've seen recently?
I guess maybe scary ain't the right word, but it was the sequel to X. The sequel to X? And I'm forgetting the name of it.
Yeah, not Malcolm X, but the same girl played in both movies.
You know what I'm talking about?
It's called...
Okay, yeah, so the sequel to this movie...
unidentified
So what is X? It's about...
joe rogan
It's a slasher film?
brian simpson
Yeah, it's a slasher film.
But the sequel to it...
Because I never saw that when I saw this.
unidentified
I still haven't seen X. So X... Maxine with two X's?
jamie vernon
Three X's?
brian simpson
No, no, that's not it.
It's not Maxine.
jamie vernon
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought I had to screen up shit.
My bad.
brian simpson
No, that's not it.
jamie vernon
That was the sequel right here.
brian simpson
No.
It's got that same girl in it.
Who's the star of this?
Pearl.
That's what I mean.
Oh, so Pearl was a prequel.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
brian simpson
I didn't realize.
Okay, so Pearl came out.
I saw Pearl before.
I haven't seen any of the rest of these.
This shit is...
I liked it.
joe rogan
And she's a serial killer?
brian simpson
She's insane.
But it's like, you kind of know she's the monster the whole time, but she doesn't become monstrous.
It's kind of the same thing.
joe rogan
And she's cute?
brian simpson
Yeah, she's cute.
She's adorable at first glance.
unidentified
I want to be special.
Dancing up on the screen like the pretty girls in the pictures.
I will not let you leave this farm again.
I'm worried there may be something real wrong with me.
Rumor has it they only take one gal per town.
We're looking for someone with X Factor.
It has to be me.
How about a film nobody else has seen?
Is it legal?
Will be eventually.
I know what I've done.
Bad thing.
I want to be loved from as many people as possible.
But truth is, I'm not really a good person.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
brian simpson
Yeah, bro.
You want to talk about like a...
joe rogan
This looks psychotic.
brian simpson
Like, this bitch is just slipping into insanity further and deeper and deeper and deeper.
joe rogan
I just don't think you should show this to America right now.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, after Luigi, after people celebrated Luigi, we don't want to, like, glorify people that just go on killing rampages.
brian simpson
It wasn't a rampage.
In fact, you know, that's the thing.
That's the thing I respect more is that, like, the people that, like, shoot up a place is like...
It's like, if you mad at somebody, go after them.
Why are you killing people that have got to do with your beef?
Right?
At least he was, like, specific.
He didn't, like...
joe rogan
That's another one that's been memory hold.
The New Orleans guy just ran over all those people.
brian simpson
What New Orleans guy?
joe rogan
You didn't hear about this?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
This was, uh, how long ago, Jamie?
jamie vernon
That's the thing.
New Year's Eve, they were, like, within eight hours of each other.
joe rogan
So this New Orleans guy turns down Bourbon Street and just runs people over.
Ran over, like, 200 people.
Bunch of people got fucked up.
Bunch of people died.
How many people died?
I think at least 14. I think like 200 people were injured.
brian simpson
Wow.
joe rogan
14 people dead.
brian simpson
Or more.
He was in a Cybertruck, too?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was also...
jamie vernon
Not a Cybertruck.
joe rogan
No, he was...
Yeah, sorry.
Not a Cybertruck.
But he was also one of the guys from Fort Bragg.
Like, we were talking about it yesterday with Metzger.
Metzger will get you to believe in conspiracies.
Bro, Metzger will take you down some rabbit holes.
brian simpson
He just hit you with so many, though.
joe rogan
So many in a row.
brian simpson
I can't even get it.
That's like his entertainment.
Oh, you didn't know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's his life.
brian simpson
And I'm on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian simpson
I like to hear people that's into it talk about it, but I'm never going to go look it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, luckily, you know, Kurt gets it.
If you're like, dude, I can't right now.
Like, he'll stop.
If you say, I can't.
I can't do this right now.
I got to go on stage in five minutes.
I can't hear how many people Hillary Clinton killed.
brian simpson
I think he probably is abreast at.
Every conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
Right, but he believes a bunch of them that are kooky.
He and I have had some conversations about ones.
I'm like, why do you believe that?
That one doesn't make any sense.
brian simpson
Because the primary belief is that the official story is bullshit.
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
Which is probably true a lot of the time.
brian simpson
But where you run into logical trouble is, just because they lying don't mean that the first alternative that people give you is the truth.
joe rogan
Right, like some kooky YouTube video.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's got it broken down.
brian simpson
So it's like, they don't want you to know.
I saw, bro, did you see this shit?
You know Godfrey?
joe rogan
The comic?
brian simpson
Yeah.
So he had, I forget the name of the scientist, but he had a scientist come on and debate Lord Jamar.
Lord Jamar's a flat earther.
And it didn't go well.
joe rogan
Of course it didn't.
That doesn't make any sense.
Was that that Professor Dave guy?
brian simpson
Yeah, Professor Dave.
joe rogan
Yeah, Professor Dave's done quite a few of those.
He's doing the world a nice favor.
brian simpson
Yeah, but bro, imagine that being your whole life.
It's just opposition.
joe rogan
Well, to what?
To bad science.
It's to people getting led down a bad road and believing something that's uniquely preposterous.
That the earth is flat.
brian simpson
You know Christopher Hitchens, right?
joe rogan
Sure.
brian simpson
He made his whole career like...
Debating Christians and Muslims.
He would go to their churches and debate their leaders.
And somebody asked him one time, like, hey, if you could snap your fingers and make all religion just go away, would you do that?
And he was like, honestly, no.
Because I just like arguing with them too much.
Or something to that effect.
That was one of his exact words, but it was like, I think you've got to be a special kind of person to be like, no, I want...
All the smoke.
I want to argue directly with people that I don't think...
joe rogan
Well, Christopher Hitches was uniquely brilliant, and he was so good at forming arguments and sentences, and his grasp of the language was so expert.
brian simpson
He was a great speaker.
joe rogan
Amazing.
Amazing speaker.
So that he would have these conversations with these people, and they'd be, like, woefully underprepared.
They just couldn't handle...
He also has an incredible amount of knowledge when it comes to religion.
Whether it's Christianity or Islam.
And he'll call out everything that has ever happened that's terrible that every one of them has done.
And he knows that information at the tip of his fingers at any given time.
brian simpson
I grew up religious and he was the one that made me be like, oh.
joe rogan
He makes some very, very, very compelling logical arguments.
There's also the problem with religion is that there's so many of them too and they're so different.
And they all think that they have the right one.
That's a real problem.
The desire for religion seems to be a part of the structure of our thinking.
It's like one of those things that reoccurs everywhere there's groups of people.
There's a desire for meaning, and then there's a connection to a higher power that we all seem to agree is not just likely, but you feel its presence every now and then.
brian simpson
But also it's like we're puzzle-solving creatures.
The need to have an answer.
To the puzzles.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
And also to have a daddy.
We always want someone who is above us, whether it's the president or the mayor or your father, whoever it is.
You want some person who's looking out for you and is watching over everything and has a plan for all of them.
brian simpson
Wait until your God gets home, young man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God is watching, you jerk-off.
brian simpson
Oh, man.
That fucked me up for a little while when I was like, you know...
joe rogan
That I was watching all the time?
brian simpson
Because we used to go, when I was little, there was a church that was also a school.
They were a Christian school, but on Sunday, they used the school buses to go pick up kids, just like school, but it was for church.
And we got sent to that.
It wasn't even the church my grandmother went to.
She just sent us to this one.
joe rogan
What is better, an overly religious childhood or a childhood filled with crime and violence?
Clearly overly religious, right?
That's better.
Because you can learn your way out of some stupid shit that they talked you into when you were young, depending on what the religion is.
But crime and violence gets you killed.
Someone else gets killed.
You go to jail.
It's not good.
Like, it's definitely better in terms of, like, what is more compatible with society to grow up very religious with very strict rules.
And then maybe as you get older, you sort of recognize that.
brian simpson
I mean, doesn't it depend on which religion?
joe rogan
It does.
It definitely does.
It definitely does.
I mean, you have some religions where you get a gang of wives.
unidentified
Woo!
That sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, that's the reason why the Mormons moved to Mexico.
brian simpson
They moved to Mexico?
What do you mean?
joe rogan
You don't know about that?
brian simpson
They're not in Utah no more?
joe rogan
Listen, when Mitch...
What's his name?
The fucking guy who ran for president?
brian simpson
Oh, um...
joe rogan
Mitt Romney.
brian simpson
Mitt Romney.
joe rogan
That's why I was fucking up.
Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico.
So his dad couldn't be president.
But Mitt was born in America.
Mitt Romney's family was Mormon.
And they moved to Mexico in the 1800s because of religious persecution.
And part of that was polygamy.
They made polygamy illegal.
So these guys, well, fuck it.
This is like the 1800s.
They're like, Mexico ain't no different than America in the 1800s.
Before cars, everyone's on a horse, you got a house, whatever.
Same shit.
Let's go to Mexico.
So they went to Mexico.
And to this day, they have giant Mormon compounds in Mexico.
And then recently, there was a situation, like, they're armed to protect themselves against the cartel.
It's like wild shit goes down.
And one of, I think it was like...
A family was killed.
I think it might have been an accident.
The cartel mistook them for someone else.
And there was like this real problem.
I don't know what happened.
I don't remember how the story went down.
But I remember it was a big international story.
And then everybody was like, wait, what's going on?
There's giant camps of armed Mormons in Mexico?
brian simpson
Yeah, they don't fuck around.
joe rogan
Like, why did they move to Mexico?
And that's why they moved to Mexico.
Because they have religious freedom.
brian simpson
They don't fuck around.
I bet you the Mormons got an app.
joe rogan
Oh, they probably have an app.
That's the story, right?
That they were killed by the cartel.
I think it was a woman and her child was killed by the cartel.
Six children.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Attack on a group of Mormon families in Mexico.
So nine women...
Scroll back up.
Nine women and children from a Mormon community in Mexico were killed while traveling in the three-car caravan south of the U.S.-Mexico border on Monday.
Three women and six children, all with dual U.S.-Mexican citizenship, were killed in the attack.
Security Minister Alfonso Durazo said in a news conference Tuesday, here's what we know about the attack.
The victims were all shot while in the vehicles while driving.
Investigators believe the three vehicles traveling between the Mexican states of Sonora and Chihuahua were ambushed by criminal groups Monday, Mexican authorities said.
Women and children between 14 years old and 10 months were massacred, burned alive.
LeBaron said mothers were screaming for the fire to stop.
They were driving together for safety reasons, said Kendrick Lee Miller, whose sister-in-law was killed in the attack.
The family was supposed to go to Miller's wedding next week in Lemora, she said.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
How'd she know they were screaming?
Was she there?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I don't think everybody died.
Five children who were hospitalized in Tucson will survive, while Jessup, whose son married Donna Langford's daughter, told CNN, Willie Jessup, excuse me, three of the children have very serious injuries, but two others could be discharged soon.
brian simpson
And they wasn't connected to that dope shit?
They got to be.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
They said it was a mistake of mistaken identity.
brian simpson
But they always say that.
Because this is why that don't make sense to me.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
joe rogan
They don't say that.
It says it's not clear if the attacks were specifically targeted or if the family was a case of mistaken identity.
brian simpson
You don't accidentally shoot the wrong caravan.
I mean, what's the chances that another caravan look just like yours?
joe rogan
Well, here's what it says.
It said Castaneda said there were longstanding tensions between the families and the cartels.
He said one of the women killed was an activist and there were frictions over water rights.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Oh, scary, dog.
brian simpson
I mean, it's scary for whoever lived down there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I feel pretty safe where I'm at.
joe rogan
Yeah, but imagine living in a place that's controlled by the cartel.
Like, you know, the government has its faults in the United States, but it's a superior system.
brian simpson
But hasn't the Mexican government, like, started cracking down on the cartel?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian simpson
They did that shit somewhere.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the dude is a dictator.
But he just locked everybody up.
joe rogan
Venezuela.
brian simpson
It's Venezuela?
joe rogan
Yeah, they literally imprisoned all the gang members.
brian simpson
They just locked every single...
Even if he was associated.
joe rogan
They made these giant prisons and they just filled the prisons up with gang members and the crime just stopped.
brian simpson
But that was the immediate effect.
Is that still the case now?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's a good question.
Is that what they're going to do forever?
They're just going to keep these guys in that cage for the rest of their lives?
brian simpson
That's expensive.
joe rogan
It is expensive, but is it less expensive than letting them wreak havoc and ruin your entire community?
I don't know.
It's a very totalitarian thing.
brian simpson
That depends on who you give a fuck about.
joe rogan
Well, it also depends on how many of those people were set up, how many of those people weren't actually in a gang, how many of those people were like, maybe somebody doesn't like you.
Probably a little bit of that going on, too.
brian simpson
In that type of situation where it's like a drastic change, and they rounding up hundreds of thousands of people, there's going to be a couple of revenge joints slipped in there.
Oh, damn, sorry, Jorge, I accidentally put...
joe rogan
Yeah, crazy.
Oh, El Salvador.
It's not Venezuela.
It's El Salvador.
Look at that.
Oh, my God.
They just said, fuck it.
We're just going to take crime down to zero.
brian simpson
So is this life in prison?
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
I mean, is this better?
It seems like it's better than having the criminals run society and kill everybody.
brian simpson
I mean, but at least, like, get them on some bicycles, provide free power or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
And what have they done, you know?
But also, if you grow up in that community, what are you going to do?
Like, if you grow up and your whole family's involved in the gangs, like, what do you do?
Like, you're literally guilty by birth.
You know?
If you grow up in those communities and that's all they've been doing forever, what do you do?
What do you do, you know?
brian simpson
How do you sustain that, too?
joe rogan
Right.
I guess if you have enough money, because now you don't have to fight crime anymore.
So now everybody's locked up.
It's dark.
brian simpson
Or it's just going to be new criminals.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What could fix the world, Brian Simpson?
Is it going to be technology?
Is it going to be mushrooms?
brian simpson
You know my stance.
We're done.
Nothing's gonna fix this shit, bro.
We're cooked.
We're past the point of no return.
joe rogan
But why do you think that, though?
Because people can exist in small groups together in harmony.
Why can't they exist together in large groups in harmony?
brian simpson
Because I think people are less intelligent in large groups.
The larger the group, the dumber the average IQ, I bet.
In terms of how people behave.
joe rogan
Well, I think also in larger groups, you don't have to think as much because things are set up for you.
brian simpson
And it's just because, you know how I know we're doomed?
Online gaming.
When you go play a team, I'm playing this Marvel rival shit everybody playing now, but it's like try to get matched up randomly with five other people and get everybody to cooperate.
And how often you come across people that are just completely selfish to the point where they'll lose on purpose.
And they take the penalty for losing too, but just to ruin your day.
joe rogan
Well, that's just randoms that you're meeting online, though.
brian simpson
Right, but I mean...
joe rogan
You've got to cultivate.
brian simpson
You see how people communicate?
And obviously, gaming is a certain demographic, but I just mean...
joe rogan
Incels.
brian simpson
It just reminds me...
No, it's not incels.
It's regular people out there that just act like assholes when they're anonymous, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
Because they can, yeah.
brian simpson
So people will do selfish...
Oh, you see these game shows where it's like, you know...
It's that whole, what's it called?
The prisoner's dilemma or whatever?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
We could all win or I could win.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And how often do you see people just go, fuck all of y'all?
joe rogan
And they probably encourage you to do it because it makes for good TV. And I know, look, there's good people.
brian simpson
I meet extraordinary people all the time.
Now, especially now that I live here.
I meet people all the time that's like, wow, you, like if it was more people like you, we would be good.
But it's so little people like you.
joe rogan
Right.
But how many people like that do you know now?
You know a lot, right?
You know a lot more.
brian simpson
Not enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know a lot more.
And the key is just to try to limit your associations with people who aren't exceptional.
Try to be exceptional, first of all, to attract exceptional people.
And then kind of, like, encourage other...
You've got to surround yourself with people that are cool.
Like, surround yourself with people that are interesting.
Surround yourself with people that are exceptional.
It gives you, like, energy in this life.
It gives you, like, motivation.
brian simpson
Yeah, but then you've got to make new friends.
I'm not with that either.
joe rogan
Some friends are worth making.
Some new friends are worth making.
But I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
It's hard.
brian simpson
I can make a new...
I'm very emotionally unavailable.
So I just need friends that don't need that.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's interesting you say that because you're very friendly.
I don't know why you think you're emotionally unavailable.
I think you just don't like to be bothered by nonsense that people could fix on their own.
brian simpson
There you go.
I'm very easily irritated.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're not emotionally unavailable.
When we talk about stuff, like everybody talks about stuff in the green room, you're one of the most honest people when you talk about things.
brian simpson
Maybe emotionally unavailable is not the right word, but I'm very...
I feel very much burdened by unexpected obligations.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
So, like, if you hit me with some last-minute shit, or you constantly need me, because I'll be there for you.
But if you're constantly needing stuff, and it's good to...
joe rogan
Exactly.
But you gotta realize that's a transactional situation.
brian simpson
I know.
joe rogan
That's a bad situation.
That's not a situation...
You haven't surrounded yourself with people that are, like, autonomous.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that aren't.
They, like, need friends for everything they do.
And they can't make decisions.
They don't get their shit together.
brian simpson
Bro, you know what?
I love being by myself.
I love going to a restaurant alone.
I love company too, but I'll go to the movies alone.
I like being alone.
I like shopping alone.
joe rogan
Well, you have a balance.
You spend enough time in front of like...
Thousands of people.
brian simpson
Because you know what I don't like?
I don't like variables.
It's like the more people that come, the more shit can switch up, the more shit can go wrong.
joe rogan
That's true.
And also you get all these social dynamics at play when there's a bunch of people together.
brian simpson
How many times have we eaten dinner?
What would you say is the perfect amount of people to bring to dinner?
joe rogan
It depends.
There was this one time, I don't want to say the time, but where there was a bunch of us and a bunch of other people and it really helped that there was a bunch of us because we all huddled up together.
brian simpson
Oh, right, right, right.
joe rogan
Remember that time?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, and don't forget, Vegas was great.
It was a lot of people at that table then.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But we knew all those people.
brian simpson
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
You know, those all people were like close friends.
It was a good time.
It wasn't like there was no social dynamics at play.
You know, when we're all hanging out, it's generally just fun.
There's no, like, one person's trying to get to the top.
brian simpson
Yeah, comics are different.
But I say, but just, but six is for me.
joe rogan
Six is a good number.
brian simpson
If I hear that it's going to be more than six, now it's like, it's going to be separate conversations, and it's going to be...
joe rogan
And what if Bob can't drink?
What if Bob starts drinking and he gets real loud?
unidentified
Right, man, you need vegan options.
joe rogan
Someone's non-gluten.
Gluten-free, please.
Do you have a gluten-free menu?
brian simpson
Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
I just, I don't like being in big groups.
joe rogan
Right.
I know what you mean.
I get it.
I get it.
It's like, you know, like when you're a group of people and then one person has a friend that they tell you is cool.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Don't worry, Bob's cool.
brian simpson
Like, bro, my middle name could be, who are we going to be there?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
You invite me to something?
Because even now, like Derek and them, they'll invite me to stuff even though they know I'm not coming.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Dude, come to the, nah, okay, I'm good.
joe rogan
But that's also like, A reflection on your sense of humor.
Because you're always finding things that are stupid in everything.
unidentified
Your act is essentially like, let me tell you about some stupid shit.
brian simpson
It's a gift of the curse.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a gift.
brian simpson
Ignorance is bliss.
When you notice too much, you can't be happy.
You can't possibly be happy.
Or you've got to distract yourself.
You can be happy for a second when you're...
On a drug or having a good time, but eventually you go, how did that fucking helicopter crash into a plane?
joe rogan
Yeah, you think about all these different variables.
You know, I used to say that to my students when they would fight because a lot of them that were really smart, I would notice they would be much more nervous than the dumb kids.
Martial arts.
What do you mean?
brian simpson
Of course it's martial arts, but my dumbass, my mind went to, like, you teaching in a classroom like a professor?
joe rogan
Oh, when they would fight?
No.
No, no, no.
I mean, I'd take them to tournaments.
So I had students that I would take to tournaments.
And the really smart ones would be the most scared.
And I would have to tell them, it's because you're smart.
The reason why you're scared is because you're aware of all the variables and you know you're vulnerable.
Whereas dumb people don't think that.
They're overconfident and they're not aware of all the variables.
But you can overcome this.
I'll be like, I did it too.
I have the same feeling.
I don't want to do it.
It's stupid.
Why am I doing this?
Why am I risking my health?
Why am I risking my safety?
You have all those thoughts that are going to go in your head, but you're going to learn something about yourself from doing this.
And you're smart and that's why you're nervous.
And you should be nervous because it'll help you.
It'll help you move faster.
I used to use Customato's expression.
Customato, this great thing that he told Mike Tyson.
He said, fear is like a fire.
It could cook your food if you can control it, or it could burn your house down.
That's what it's like.
But the intelligent people are the ones that are aware of it.
The intelligent people are the ones that oftentimes struggle the most with overcoming anxiety to compete.
Because they're aware of how fucking dangerous this actually is.
They're not blissfully unaware like a moron who's walking into a cage fight not knowing they might get knocked the fuck out.
You know, not gonna happen to me, bro.
There's a lot of those not gonna happen to me, bro, guys.
brian simpson
Yeah, but you can still be world champion and be that person.
joe rogan
Oh, well, if you're gifted.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
If you're gifted and if you're genetically gifted, you know, and if you're driven and you really work hard and you enjoy it, yeah, you could get pretty far.
brian simpson
You're not gonna talk well.
You're not going to speak well in, like, 20 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, at the end, it's going to be rough.
brian simpson
Because it's amazing to me.
Like, that's another thing.
We talk about legacy and stuff like that, but MMA-wise, Jon Jones is, like, the equivalent to Floyd Mayweather in terms of, like, how little damage he's taking over.
joe rogan
Yes, there was a few fights where they were real rough.
The Dominic Reyes fight was real rough.
He got hit a bunch of times in that fight.
brian simpson
The first Gustafson fight.
joe rogan
He got caught a few times by Lyoto Machida before he put him to sleep.
Lyoto was catching him.
He hit him with one big left hand.
Rashad Evans clipped him with a big right hand.
But for the most part, John is the very best at utilizing distance and also having a strategy.
brian simpson
He said that was the hardest he ever got hit, Rashad Evans.
joe rogan
Rashad?
Yeah.
Rashad knocked Chuck Liddell out cold with that punch.
Remember?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out cold.
One shot.
brian simpson
Was that the first time Chuck Liddell got knocked out?
joe rogan
No.
Chuck Liddell had gotten stopped by Rampage and Pride.
brian simpson
Okay.
joe rogan
And then Chuck Liddell, I mean, he'd been stopped a few times.
brian simpson
I think Shogun stopped him.
joe rogan
No, because Rampage stopped him during his rise.
Like, Rampage stopped him when he was a champ, or maybe he wasn't the champ, he was like...
The best guy.
Tito was the champ for a little before Chuck fought Tito, and everybody knew that Chuck was going to beat Tito.
It was one of those things where they're like, this is a bad matchup, because Chuck is a really good wrestler and just a ferocious striker.
Ferocious.
And so aggressive and just nasty power.
And just would throw himself into the wars.
Throw himself.
He had an iron chin.
So he'd just, fuck you.
He'd just throw himself.
And really skillful, too, man.
Like, underrated skills, but just a desire.
I admire for the firefight that was like nobody else.
But Rampage beat him.
Rampage stopped him in Pride.
So they had an exchange where they were going to send UFC fighters over to Pride to fight the best Pride guys.
And Chuck was one of the best UFC guys.
And Rampage stopped him.
And Chuck fought Alistair Overeem.
And Alistair Overeem was doing really well.
But Alistair...
brian simpson
Damn.
joe rogan
Chuck stopped Alistair.
brian simpson
Just that this, though.
Rampage used to have...
joe rogan
Oh, bro, this was when Chuck was Chuck, right?
This was not, like, past his prime Chuck.
This was, like, in his prime Chuck.
But Rampage was fucking ferocious.
He was so good.
And Pride had knees to the head on the ground, all this shit.
And Rampage eventually, I believe he stopped him with, like, body shots on the ground, if I remember correctly.
I remember he just beat him up and then they stopped the fight.
I think he just got on top of him at one point in time.
It was a grueling fucking fight though, but I think this is like the end of it right here.
He was just beating him down and eventually stopped the fight.
So these punches to the face and then just dig into the body.
brian simpson
Look how tiny that referee is.
joe rogan
I know.
And then it looks like he got on top of him.
Yeah, he got full mount and then they stopped the fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was Rampage in his prime.
Rampage in his prime was a motherfucker.
brian simpson
I saw a video of somebody talking shit to him.
One of the young fighters now talking shit to him.
joe rogan
Oh, it was Kevin Holland.
Yeah, Kevin Holland and him had some sort of a disagreement.
brian simpson
Yeah, so they don't get that?
He don't get, like, legend status?
Like, well, you gotta let it slide?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Young guys are, you know how they are.
brian simpson
Because that's like if Randy Couture say something out of pocket.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
brian simpson
And you're a fighter, like, you gotta let it slide.
joe rogan
He's a legend.
Rampage is a legend.
You know, it's like, there's a lot of guys.
You know, when you talk about BJ Penn, talk about him with respect.
brian simpson
Yeah, because also, like, it doesn't look good.
No.
joe rogan
Especially, like, I'll fight you right now, like that kind of shit.
brian simpson
Right.
That's not a good look, bro.
joe rogan
Especially the guy, like, paved the way.
Like, Rampage was, this was, like, when Rampage fought Chuck, what year was that?
Was that, like, 2003?
What year was that?
brian simpson
I'm gonna guess, I'm gonna guess 05. Was it 2007?
jamie vernon
The Pride fight was different.
joe rogan
Yeah, well Rampage knocked Chuck out.
brian simpson
It was like 05 probably.
joe rogan
In the UFC too.
Rampage caught Chuck with a right hook.
2003. So then they fought again in 2007. Is that what happened?
Show that one.
Yeah, Rampage knocked out Vanderlei Silva.
He lost to Vanderlei Silva twice though, brutally, in Pride.
One of the fights was fucking brutal.
Brutal.
Brutal knockout.
He got kneed in the face and went through the ropes unconscious.
So this is Chuck and Rampage in the UFC. This is when Rampage won the title.
And, you know, Chuck had already fought him once and got stopped, so he was wary.
brian simpson
And this was way past his pride trip, right?
joe rogan
No, he was in his prime, man.
He was still in his prime.
He was the champion.
Chuck was the champion at this point in time.
But Rampage was fucking good, man.
He was fucking good.
And just so dangerous.
Boom.
And I was saying he's the funniest guy in MMA. He's very funny.
I actually interviewed him on...
I did that UFC show for a while.
I forget what it's called.
But it was...
We hung out together.
We rolled.
We did jiu-jitsu.
Went and got something to eat.
But he's very funny, dude.
He used to have this crazy monster truck.
There it is.
Boom That's how he won the title Boom Yeah, it was awesome.
Chuck's confused, but that's what happens when you get knocked out.
You don't know what the fuck happened.
You think you're fine.
brian simpson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't know what happened.
You get shut off.
You're like, what happened?
Like, sometimes guys get shut off, and then they dive for the referee's legs, and they think they're still fighting, and they take the referee down.
brian simpson
I've seen a dude swinging at the ref.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They don't know what's happening.
I mean, a lot of these guys are on, like, full fight or flight after they get tagged.
They're just in—it's just chaos.
They don't know what they're seeing.
Referees get hit all the time.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's why I was like, look how tiny that, you see how tiny that motherfucker was?
Like, what you gonna do?
What are you, what are you stopping in there?
joe rogan
Right.
How are you gonna get a rampage off of Chuck Liddell?
brian simpson
I see like Herb Dean, like, dive at motherfuckers and move them.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Well, you need, you got, Herb's a big guy.
You know, that's what you want.
Or a strong person.
Like, you, you have to have, like, physical strength.
brian simpson
He's just gonna ask you politely.
joe rogan
Well, imagine if, like, Francis is fighting.
How are you going to get Francis off somebody?
How are you even going to move him?
brian simpson
There's no way that Herb Dean's stronger than Francis Ngannou.
joe rogan
Impossible.
brian simpson
But you've got to be strong enough that they feel you.
joe rogan
You can't be 125 pounds refereeing that fight.
brian simpson
I thought that was a woman at first.
joe rogan
Mark Goddard's good, too.
He's a big dude.
brian simpson
Mark Goddard?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's great for those big fights.
brian simpson
I don't think I've ever seen him in person.
I met Herb Dean.
joe rogan
He's one of the best referees.
There's quite a few of them.
That are really, really good.
But I always say the gold standard, Terb.
He's the gold standard.
And Big John, when he was doing it, he was the gold standard.
brian simpson
He stopped?
joe rogan
Yeah, he does commentary now.
John does commentary.
Well, he's doing it for Bellator, but I think Bellator is now no longer.
He also has a podcast with Josh Thompson that's really good.
brian simpson
Who's that one referee that Dana White hated?
joe rogan
Steve Mazzagotti.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
What happened to him?
Does he steal the referee?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I haven't seen him in a while.
I think I saw him at a kickboxing event many years later.
brian simpson
That dude's never going to work again.
Like, that's a wild shit to say and mean it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People make mistakes.
You know?
brian simpson
Yeah.
But what was his fuck up, though?
He fucked up bad, right?
joe rogan
He fucked up a few of them.
There's a few of those guys that fucked up a few too many fights.
And then they just, you know, you just can't after a while.
We need someone reliable.
When you got a guy like Mark Goddard who almost never fucks up, everybody is going to fuck up.
They have the second hardest job.
The first hardest job is the fighter.
Second hardest job is the referee.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
Third hardest job is probably the judge.
My job's easy.
brian simpson
And the ref, they can only see from one angle.
joe rogan
We miss shit all the time, and we have monitors.
At least the refs have, or excuse me, the...
The judges have monitors now.
They didn't used to have monitors.
In the early days, we had a fight to get them monitors.
We're like, we should be able to show them stuff in the replay that the crowd is seeing.
Because sometimes you think a guy got knocked down, but he didn't.
He just tripped.
And it looks like he got knocked down, but really he just got punched on the shoulder and they just fell down.
That happened in that fight with Islam Makachev and Moikano.
Moikano caught him with a right hand.
It looked like he hit him.
We thought he dropped him, but really what happened is he kind of hit him in the shoulder and they tripped legs together and Islam fell down.
We thought he was hurt.
So if you were judging that, I mean, Islam finished him in the first round, he subbed him in the first round, so it didn't matter.
But if you saw that fight, and if that went to the distance, and you said, oh my god, he's hurting him, he's rocking him on the feet, you would maybe score that round for Moicano, when if you saw the replay, you'd go, oh, he didn't rock him.
He just slipped.
So if you don't have a monitor...
brian simpson
Can they hear you all too?
joe rogan
No, they shouldn't be able to hear us because maybe...
brian simpson
It's bias.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe we frame it in a way that's different than the way they think it.
The whole reason to have three different point of views is to have three different expert perspectives.
You don't want them hearing what me and DC are saying.
brian simpson
Right, right, right, right.
joe rogan
You want them like watching the fight.
Because if we're on someone's nuts, you know, and then this guy's like, oh, he definitely is winning.
You know, and maybe the people at home are like, fuck you, the other guy was winning.
Like, there's a few of those fights.
brian simpson
Yeah, some were...
It's been a while.
No, it hasn't.
Since it was like a really questionable one.
joe rogan
You know what's an interesting one?
Not a questionable one.
But an interesting one is Marab versus Umar.
So Marab, Dvavishwili, and Umar Nurmagomedov, they go to the distance.
Five-round fight.
Marab winds up winning the decision.
brian simpson
Those on that same card.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Amazing fight.
Amazing fight.
Probably the best 135 pound title fight in the history of the sport.
It was incredible.
It was so well matched.
They went back and forth.
Umar apparently broke his hand in the first round.
Was still throwing it for the whole fight.
He wound up taking Murab down.
And nobody expected that.
He got Murab's back.
He won the first two rounds.
And the question is the third round.
And so I watched it a couple of times.
And me and John Anik and Daniel Cormier have been going back and forth with text about this.
I was like, man, that third round is so close.
It's so close.
I could see judges giving it to Umar.
He landed more strikes on the feet.
He did get one takedown.
Merab got a couple takedowns, but he didn't do much with the takedown.
But Daniel had a really good point that at the end of it, Merab's was accelerating, and it looked like Umar was starting to get tired.
brian simpson
See, I tuned in at that point.
I started that pay-per-view at that third round.
Yeah.
So I hadn't seen the previous two rounds.
joe rogan
But at the end of the third round, Umar has Murab's back.
He's behind him and he's controlling him against the cage.
And he had wound up taking Murab down at one point in time.
So it's like he landed a lot of strikes on the feet.
Like probably did more actual damage.
But Marab did take him down more, and Marab was pushing the pace, and Marab did also land shots.
Like, it was close.
It's the third round that's the real close one, because I gave the first two rounds to Umar, and then you get into the third, you're like, ooh, that's the one.
That one's close.
Because the fourth and the fifth were clearly Marab was coming on strong.
Marab was like, it was astonishing, his endurance.
Astonishing.
His fucking cardiovascular system's off the charts.
brian simpson
It was a good-ass fight.
joe rogan
His cardio is fucking insanity.
It's insanity.
brian simpson
It's like Michael Chandler.
joe rogan
But I would be very happy to see that fight again.
Very happy.
brian simpson
I never see Michael Chandler get tired.
joe rogan
Incredible.
brian simpson
Remember his last fight when he lost?
joe rogan
With Olivera, yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, but he's sitting there standing up with a motherfucker on his back in the last round.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Like, I never see him get tired.
joe rogan
No, he's an animal.
Well, he trains like nobody.
I mean, his strength and conditioning routines, you can watch them online.
They're fucking crazy.
Cam Haynes went and trained with him once.
He said the guy's a maniac.
But that's his weapon.
To have that kind of cardio, that kind of discipline, to have that kind of cardio, that work ethic.
It's also the work ethic, man.
You have to have that work ethic.
Because he's been doing it for a long time.
And to still have that work ethic.
brian simpson
That's what I mean.
Even the best people in the world, they get tired of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not tired of it, man.
He's definitely not tired of it.
He's still exciting.
I mean, Oliveira's one of the best in the world.
He had Oliveira hurt in that third round.
He had him hurt.
Like, he had some moments in that third round where you're like, holy shit.
Like, this is a real fight.
And Oliveira is as good as it gets.
He's one of the best submission artists in the history of the sport.
And he couldn't get him.
Got him in the first fight, though.
First fight, he KO'd him, remember?
He hit him with that clean left hook.
brian simpson
I don't remember.
joe rogan
Chandler had him real hurt in the first round.
unidentified
Rocked.
joe rogan
On his back, fighting him off in the first round.
And then starting the second round, Chandler moves straight to him and Olivera just pieces him up.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, I do remember that guy.
joe rogan
He hit him with a clean left hook.
It was clean.
brian simpson
I think I was there.
joe rogan
You might have been there.
brian simpson
Yeah, man.
We had some good-ass fights this year.
And now Crawford's about to fight.
unidentified
Yes, he's going to fight Canelo.
joe rogan
I just hope he's big enough.
I hope he's big enough to keep that dude off him because Canelo hits so hard, man.
brian simpson
That's one dude that I believe all the shit he be talking.
joe rogan
Crawford?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he's good.
brian simpson
He don't just be saying shit.
joe rogan
They tried to say that Errol Spence was damaged because of what Crawford did to him because he was damaged from the car accident.
I'm like, maybe.
Or maybe Crawford would have done that three years ago.
I think he's that good.
He's just so skillful.
He's so slick.
And he's also the best guy in the sport at switch hitting.
He'll go from southpaw to orthodox and be just as good and trip you up.
You think he's going to start southpaw, he starts orthodox.
You prepare for orthodox, he's fighting southpaw.
He feels like he's got you timed better orthodox, he'll switch it up.
He's super accurate.
He just knows so much about boxing, about where to be and what's coming.
brian simpson
He's a strategist that's also entertaining.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's an artist.
brian simpson
Remember like a young B-hop?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Just so sharp and made it look almost entertaining.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Roy Jones in his prime.
It was art.
You were watching art.
He's piecing up people.
It was an art form.
All right, Brian Simpson.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
Bring it home.
Let's do it.
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joe rogan
That's it.
Thank you, brother.
brian simpson
Later, man.
unidentified
Bye.
joe rogan
Thank you.
brian simpson
Oh, you know what?
One thing we've got to talk about.
unidentified
What?
brian simpson
I wanted to thank you for sending people to go watch that.
Clip of WAP on YouTube.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
I got a lot of...
joe rogan
One of the best videos, one of the best bits of all time.
I love that bit.
Alright, go see it.
unidentified
It's on YouTube.
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