Christopher Dunn, a former aerospace engineer, challenges mainstream Egyptology by arguing the Great Pyramid’s granite cores—spiral-drilled with precision 500x sharper than modern tools—prove advanced lost machining techniques, not primitive methods. His 1984 Analog article and 2018 re-examination of Petrie Core No. 7 debunked claims of horizontal grooves, while metrology tests on granite vases revealed tolerances within half a human hair’s thickness. Dunn’s speculative Giza Power Plant theory posits the pyramid as an Ice Age energy harvester: Queen’s Chamber shafts (8.4-inch width matching hydrogen wavelengths) generated atomic hydrogen via chemical reactions, while King’s Chamber shafts acted as microwave waveguides and antennas, possibly stimulated by the Freund effect in stressed rock. Criticizing "Scientists Against Myth" for flawed 2D analysis, he links these ideas to Göbekli Tepe’s unknown energy sources, suggesting ancient tech may have relied on wild plant-based animal agriculture or other undiscovered systems—raising questions about how we define early civilizations’ capabilities. [Automatically generated summary]
And worked through the apprenticeship, received my journeyman papers, worked for a couple more years in England, and then I was recruited by an aerospace company in America and emigrated to America.
The question really demands that you explore all methods that you are able to, when you satisfy the historical record, when you satisfy the historical record, say the archaeological record, and you say, okay, I'm going to try this.
Well, that's not going to work.
That won't work.
So we'll try this.
We'll keep improving our methods and tools until we arrive at a solution to explaining the artifact.
That's the important thing.
That's basically...
The demands on a manufacturing engineer, which I eventually became.
So, you know, if a customer comes in and they bring a part to the company and say, I want you to make one just like this, what do we do?
Well, we have to know what.
This is.
And to do that, you take measurements, you determine materials, how it was manufactured, you look for tool marks to see what processes may have been involved in it, whether there were dyes or Whether there's machining marks in areas.
You look at the welds.
Did they weld some parts?
Did they braze other parts?
And then, of course, the geometries.
And basically, that's your model.
Let's say, okay, I've got to make something just like this.
Right, but when you're making some—like, if you're looking at, say, some of the stone work that was done in the pyramid where there's—not in the pyramid, but in some of the quarries where you see these core drill holes.
And so when you look at the core, the drill holes, the vases are another very fascinating and Real gigantic mystery as to how those were constructed, and we'll talk about those as well.
Is that what it looks like?
That's a model of one?
But the core holes itself, we had a debate recently with Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble, and one of the things that Dibble had suggested was that they I've heard that theory about how they were done,
So these drills that they used in Egypt were capable of drilling, with each revolution, 500 times more than modern diamond drills that were used by people who cut into granite.
Sorry, but is this in multiple different drill holes, or is it one individual sample that they found that seems to operate at this depth per revolution?
And they're from Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt.
And essentially, what happened was, there was a book written, I think it was in 1999, it was by...
Chris Ogilvy-Herald and Ian Larson, and it's called Gieser the Truth.
And so what they did is they had contacted, or they had, associates that went into the Petrie Museum and examined the corps.
To see if it was actually a spiral.
So they took photographs of it and they examined those photographs and they said, no, they're horizontal.
Now there's a big difference when you talk about a horizontal groove and a spiral groove.
And so I was like, okay, I suspend all assertions as far as the methods that I proposed for how it may have been done.
I need to go and examine that item myself.
And so I booked a flight to England and a friend of mine in Cambridge picked me up at the airport, Nick Annis, and we went to the Peach Museum and I examined the corps.
The method I used was to just wrap a simple cotton thread around it.
Yes, I mean, they would say that I screwed it up, obviously.
But the thing is, Joe, is that, you know, when you're conducting research, anybody, whether you're a scientist or just a, you know, Joe Blow in the tool room, and you say, okay, this is what I found, and these are the methods I used, and these are the results, okay?
I don't think there is a really high quality scan that would be necessary.
I mean I've learned a little bit about scanning.
It was just being introduced into manufacturing When I retired, just before I retired, we started to look into it and we bought this white light scanning system.
So there's the drill holes, which are just absolutely fascinating, and then this pottery we'll talk about before we get to the whole what you think the pyramid is.
So the pottery, like these vases that you're seeing...
Because even if you just slowly and meticulously, with the finest of craftsmanship, spun this to a perfect accuracy, just with, like, high-grit sandpaper, you know, slowly over time, made it perfectly round, and you got so good at it that you get it within how much of a human hair again?
If you can't locate that drill, like the drill's real, the hole's real.
If you can't locate an ancient Egyptian drill, so there's a bunch of pieces of pottery, and all of them have the same sort of similar measurement to them in terms of their perfection?
And we rotated that on the row tab at Danville Metal Stamping.
And we staged it so that we were checking concentricity or run-out all around.
So we put an indicator in various places.
And then spun the rotary table to check the run out.
And that thing, that one spin of A's blew me away.
You know, when you're measuring a diameter, Right?
Just a straight diameter.
And you're checking the run out on a straight diameter.
And, you know, you have it, okay, that's within 2000. You only have that one axis that is actually affecting the movement of that indicator that you're using.
On this bowl, When you're on the side of it, on the crown, not right to the top, but just below it, you're at a place where the movement's in two axes.
Two axes is affecting the indicator of reading.
So any error that you have vertically or horizontally...
Yeah, we seem to be stuck in a time warp where we're trying to come to terms with how the pyramids were built, with how all these artifacts were built.
We've got, on one side, you have practical engineers, practical scientists.
And they want to measure everything exactly exactly.
And regardless of what current theories prescribe, how they were made, they want to explore other methods.
However, on the other side, on the side of archaeologists or Egyptologists, they believe that if you're examining an ancient artifact and you're a modern engineer, that you have to work under the guidance of an archaeologist or an Egyptologist.
So they wouldn't be able to understand what's required to do that.
Now, the conventional explanation being some sort of copper and sand, if that's the conventional explanation, there's no evidence of any copper drills, correct?
If you go to the Cairo Museum, they have a—I think there's a tube that they describe—a small tube that they describe as a— But nothing that can carve those large holes out of ground.
Yeah, they're just going on the assumption that only copper existed during that period, and so that was the metal that was available to them, that was the metal that they used.
But the point is like they don't, you know, like they have a replica of an ancient boat.
They know they have boats, they know what the boats looked like.
They don't have the actual drill.
So whether it's something exotic that we didn't know that they had capability to create or whether it's what they think it is, neither one of those exist.
So what is the reluctance of the archaeologists to accept the findings of the engineers if the goal is the truth?
So if the goal is to figure out, instead of just having assumptions that you're going to cling to as dogma as to what was done, Wouldn't the goal be, let's find out what the truth is, what's capable of doing this?
If they talk to enough engineers, and especially enough people that actually carve into granite, then you would get an understanding of what we know today.
So the reluctance is they don't believe that the Egyptians had any more advanced technology than what we assume they had, which is pulleys and ropes and copper tools and sand and the like.
There's a tremendous kind of quiet revolution going on.
In Egypt, because you go where you feel like you're going to be welcome.
If you're not welcome somewhere, you find someone.
So when I put my work out, and I was talking to people in the 90s on message boards, and I could see that I wasn't getting anywhere there.
And I thought, well, okay.
Who has the most to gain, and who has the most to lose?
By opening this up and exposing everything, right?
And getting it out in the open.
Who has the most to gain?
If they come down on my side, and who has the most to lose?
And obviously, those who have the most to lose are the Western institutions who have written the history of the world, have written the history of Egypt.
And so I decided, well, I have to appeal to Egyptian engineers.
And so in my second book, Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, I put out a challenge to modern Egyptian engineers to go out and check the artifacts for themselves.
And that's what they did.
One man, one engineer, I don't know how many other engineers were involved, but also I'm talking to Egyptology tour guides, and the message I'm getting is that the Pyramid of Tomb theory is pretty much on the way out.
The young people are being energized and looking at their artifacts in a different way.
So the engineer that took up the challenge is called Ahmed Adly.
And he followed my path.
He went into the Serapium and checked those huge granite boxes.
He did a study of the statues.
He presented the Giza power plant theory to a physicist at Cairo University.
And it's like, wow, times are changing.
The Egyptian youth are taking hold of the reins, and they're excited about their future.
You know, just recently, there was like a STEM class.
It was put on by NARMA, American University.
It was held at the Grand Egyptian Museum and there were over 200 students that took place and the professors and teachers of these students got Ahmed Adli involved to design experiments to talk about pyramids as energy sources,
talk about The statues, symmetry, design projects that the kids could do.
And even to the point of taking a slab of copper and trying to cut a brick using the old method just so that they could get a hands-on feel for what it was like.
It's all very well to sit at home in your armchair and come up with a theory.
But, you know, if you don't go out and test it, then, you know, are you just going to buy it?
Right.
Okay, okay.
A respected professor tells me that this was done with copper.
A cup of chisels, a cup of slabs.
And, well, if he says it, then he's got to be right because that's what he's paid for.
Ferrous metallurgy began far back in prehistory, most likely with the use of iron from meteors.
There you go.
The smelting of iron bloomeries?
Is that it?
Bloomeries?
Is that what you said?
Began in the 12th century B.C. in India, Anatolia, or the Caucasus.
Iron use in smelting and forging for tools appeared in sub-Saharan Africa by 1200 B.C. So it could be that these pharaohs, the one that had the iron dagger made out of a meteorite, maybe that was later.
have been badly corroded and now far-expanded iron oxide.
Significant proportions of gold were found in one of the oxidized layers, and the plate may originally have been gold-plated.
New data coupled with the original archaeological information strongly suggests the iron plate is contemporary with the building of the pyramid and that it is, therefore, one of the oldest known pieces of iron.
I mean, there are demonstrations of crafting ancient vases.
But I think this recent research and the discovery of the precision of them, which had always been a question mark until just recently.
People would go through the Cairo Museum or any museum in the world and they'd see these beautiful, finely crafted artifacts made out of igneous rock and they looked extraordinarily precise.
And I've done that the same.
I mean, I look at them and I was like, wow, I'd like to get one of those in my shop and just check it out, you know, quality inspection.
And so for years, that was a, for me, it was like always a question.
I'd love to know how precise those vases are.
And then in 2018, the owner of that original vase, Adam Young, he came on the tour and he befriended my son Alex.
And they were talking about the vases, and Alex was a quality inspector, quality engineer, to the company that I worked at.
Since he worked at another company in Indianapolis, now I think he's working in the metrology lab at Rolls-Royce in Indianapolis.
And so he's like, well, we should scan them, or do an inspection.
So, Adam brought his vase down to Indianapolis to where Alex was working, and he got permission from the managers at the shop to do an inspection of them.
And it seemed like, you know, you talk to people, shop people, right?
People who are actually out there every day making quality parts.
That people's lives depend on.
You know, if you fly on an airplane and you...
And I told one of the...
There's another owner of Vase.
He's got a lot of them.
And I told him, you know, I said, you know, you're carrying in your hand an artifact that is more precise than some of the parts that were installed in the engine that was on the plane that you flew in.
That's crazy.
And he's like, wow.
Okay.
I mean, that's where you bring it home.
And so all these guys who are making these artifacts, right, and they're held to exacting standards every day, they can't slip up.
They can't make mistakes.
You know, there's no fudging or faking anything.
Otherwise, you'd be out on your ear, or people would be falling out of the skies, right?
I mean, there are parts in an airplane engine or aircraft engine that are more precise.
Features of the parts are more precise.
And that's where...
I want to explain something here, because I think it's a very, very important point.
And it has confused a lot of people.
It really confused a lot of people.
Any part that you have, whether it's something for your car, say a crankshaft or something like that, take a crankshaft, it's got very precise features on it, and then there are features that are not so precise.
Because they don't need to be.
It all depends on what the customer requirements are.
So they don't build precision or require precision in a product where it's not needed.
That just wastes the time.
It just makes it more expensive.
But now you have, you know, people who are looking at some of these artifacts, like the boxes in the Serapium, and they're finding imprecise areas of the boxes.
The photograph of me inside one of those boxes with a toolmaker's precision square, I mean, there's nothing simpler, right?
You take a square, you stick it out, and you check to see if it's square.
Are the surfaces flat?
Is it square?
Yeah, that's fine.
And now you've got guys going around on the outside of the box, And finding inaccuracies, some areas inside boxes that have inaccuracies, and now they're calling me a liar.
They say that I faked and fudged measurements.
It's like, I don't know, the cancel culture they want to get away from.
So when it comes to precision, like the precision of the faces, for instance, and some of the sculptures, what is the conventional explanation for how precise they are?
Because these are massive faces that were supposedly carved by hand, but the accuracy on either side of the face is so phenomenal.
But, I mean, as far as the methods that I used, which is like 2D photography and then comparing features in the computer for symmetry, you know, and some geometric features, nobody had done that before.
And so I come along, you know, I say, wow, this is...
Actually, it kind of hit me.
The first time I went to Egypt, and I was at Saqqara, and I was looking down the length of the statue of Ramses at the Open Air Museum there, and I said, well, the nostrils are extraordinarily symmetrical.
I mean, they match, right?
And most people's nostrils are different, if you look at them.
I've heard different ideas where you take a mirror and then you kind of match it when it guides your hand.
And another one where you take a pointer and you set a depth and then you transfer that from one side to the other.
And those are, you know, I mean...
I don't know anybody who is a precision manufacturer who would accept such an explanation.
And really, at the end of the day, you have to say, okay, well, show me and we'll match, you know, show me and we'll check yours and compare it to the original.
And so this is just one example of one of the mind-blowing mysteries involved in this culture, that they had some kind of capability of not just doing that, and not just making the vases, but also making the pyramids themselves, which are beyond comprehension.
I mean, you know, the thing is, is that you have, I don't think, not all engineers think alike, right?
But I've never been with an engineer who has examined this subject and been to Egypt that is not absolutely blown away by what they're seeing and are saying, no.
No, you can't do it by hand.
You can't hold those kind of tolerances by hand.
You look at the Ramsey statue and you look at the symmetry, it's not two-dimensional symmetry.
I mean, I was just measuring a two-dimensional photograph.
It's not two-dimensional, it's three-dimensional.
So that radius that you see going around the jawline is moving in three axes, right?
X, Y, Z. And you're still coming up with a radius, perfect radius.
Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in 1998, which was a power plant.
The book is then titled The Giza Power Plant.
My second book has evolved, and I describe it as an electron harvester.
So, you know, it's kind of like—you could describe it as both, but today, when you do—or, you know, people— In any decade, they think of a power plant and then they see these huge chimneys with, you know, smokestacks.
I think that actually when you look at a generator, that's an electron harvester because we don't create electrons.
We just harvest them.
It's just how we do it.
And so, you know, when you say...
An electron harvester, you could say that, you know, say a wind, you have a windmill, you have a generator inside it, and then you're collecting electrons off the commutator in a generator.
Well, the outer surface of the Great Pyramid mostly is missing, but it has been described as, if it was finished, and depending on the polish that it received, yeah, it could reflect a lot of light.
Okay, so this is the image that you have here, and what this image shows us is the King's Chamber, the various shafts, the southern shaft, the northern shaft, and these shafts have been described as portals to stars because people have looked up through there, and you go through the shaft, you see stars, but what you're saying is something entirely different.
Because in the theory that I propose, which is, I don't know, it's a speculation, the whole process is kind of like a heuristic Process where you're grabbing information, you're moving...
It doesn't matter what source you're getting it from.
You know, I don't care for revisionist historians because, you know, you have to consider...
What people were doing, their mindset in the day.
And then I try to look on the bright side, right?
I don't look at it as a negative thing because if somebody hadn't opened up those shafts, we wouldn't know about them.
And it's the same with the chambers above the King's Chamber.
Without Howard Weiss and his military expedition blasting his way up into the pyramid, we wouldn't know about them either.
I mean, there's a lot there.
I think there's a lot there right now.
And it's been investigated now, but there's things that have been revealed through scanning, like Muography, the Scan Pyramid Project, and they found that large void above the Grand Gallery.
Actually, you know, the idea of a waveguide came to me from a guy...
We were talking about the pyramids, and I used to carry a schematic of the Great Pyramid in my back pocket.
Meet an engineer, and I go, hey, hey, come here.
I start going through.
So what do you think about this?
Because, you know, I was looking for answers, suggestions, brainstorming, anything, right?
And he's like, so these shafts right here, and he looks at it, and he was into electronics, electronic engineering, and he's like, hmm, they look like waveguides to me.
And I thought...
Well, that's interesting.
They look like waveguides.
Okay.
What if they are waveguides?
How do they function?
I mean, what were they used for?
What were they using waveguides for in, you know, ancient Egypt?
And so I started to go down that rabbit hole.
And that led me to the Queen's Chamber.
I said, okay, waveguides, you need a medium.
You need, you know, microwaves to go through a waveguide.
What frequency of microwave was it, right?
And you look at the dimensions and you come up with a match for hydrogen.
They had—we are bombarded with microwaves every day.
I mean, it's the signal from, they say, the Big Bang.
And, you know, it comes from atomic hydrogen out in the universe, in outer space.
So we're being bombarded, and you believe that these passages were collecting this— Yeah, so anyway, so then you say, okay, if we build a device and we want to energize hydrogen, we bring it to a higher energy state, and just like, you know, in a laser, where you have microwave amplification through stimulated emission, right?
So if we want to collect energy that is in a gaseous medium, say that it's hydrogen medium, and the electrons in the hydrogen are pumped up to a higher energy state and we want to collect the energy in that, Introduce a microwave signal, direct it through that gas, and stimulate the emission of the energy, collect that energy, and shoot it up the sun's shaft.
Well, to answer that question, I was having a chat with a A civil engineer who was putting in a septic system for me with a leach field, and he was doing a percolation test, right?
This is in Indiana, and Indiana is known for its fine limestone.
His name was Roland Dove, a city engineer, and I asked him, I said, well, what do you do?
How does this function?
If you are in an area where there's not much topsoil, you know, you scrape away maybe a foot of topsoil and then you're on the bedrock.
What do you do then?
And he said, well, if your limestone is permeable and basically you follow the same steps that you would as if you were digging into earth, you know, Just dirt.
You dig a hole, you cut a hole in the limestone, and you determine how quickly the water would disperse or would actually seep out.
How would you determine the flow rate of a column of water, right, going through limestone?
And he said, well, that would depend on the head pressure, how much pressure, what weight is pushing against the limestone, right?
And I go, uh-huh, okay, that's interesting.
So then I go back to the drawing boards, I go back to my Blueprints of the Great Pyramid, and I'm looking at the The southern northern shaft of the Queen's Chamber, and I see that both of these shafts go up to an area that nobody knows where it goes.
At that time, when I was doing research, nobody knew where they ended.
But I was thinking, well...
If they are feeding a chemical, they would need to be assured that they can maintain a particular head pressure.
That would be calculated, the weight of the column.
And essentially, as these are on an angle, you know, your calculations may get a little more complicated, but you would figure it out, or you could do it by trial and error.
But not all the evidence was in to really kind of solidify that theory, right?
It's like, okay, I've got this much data.
This is what I'm working with.
There's a lot of unknowns.
I don't know.
So what do we do?
And then in 1993, A German engineer, Rudolf Gantenbrink, he was invited to Egypt and he was working under the German the German mission in Cairo.
They wanted him to actually examine, get a robot, examine all those shafts, both the king's chamber and the queen's chamber.
Actually, no, mostly the King's Chamber.
They wanted to ventilate the pyramid, and so they wanted to make sure that the shafts were clear and that when they installed their fans that there wouldn't be any obstruction.
And so he built a robot to go through these, clean the shafts out, and then install fans in the King's Chamber.
But it had always been a mystery as far as the Queen's Chamber shafts.
Where did they end?
Nobody knew.
Nobody had explored them that far.
So he proposed that they allow him to build another robot and examine The shafts in the Queen's Chamber, which he did that.
He had a robot, they called it Upoatu, which means the opening of the ways.
And so with his robot, he had a tether behind it and a camera, lights, and it crawled its way.
It was like a track vehicle.
And there was a mechanism for the upper track that caused it to grip the ceiling and it was able to climb up the shaft.
And they were looking for where it ended.
And they found where it ended, after a few kind of obstacles, one being what he called a tank trap, which was like a depression in the floor of the shaft, a drop of about two inches.
Which is another story entirely.
I don't think the full truth of why that is there has been figured out yet or explained, but they're working on it.
And so his robot got so far up the shaft and they discovered that there was a block at the end of the shaft and through the block are two metal fittings.
But I would say that if you are wanting to reach the end of where that southern shaft is, the shortest route that you could take would be through a horizontal passage that goes directly out to the outer surface of the Great Pyramid.
Because the Queen's Chamber was a reaction chamber, so that's where the hydrogen was produced.
The hydrogen filled the interior spaces of the Great Pyramid, which included the King's Chamber.
And then through the action, different actions, whether it be the Freund effect, which we can talk about, and that's the release of electrons from the lithosphere, or the accumulation of vibration, or the collection of vibration, and how it was centered or focused into the King's Chamber, it created a highly energized atmosphere.
And it kind of wraps around or is, you know, close to the northern shaft.
That's an interesting place for it to be too, which prompted my research associate, Eric Wilson, who's an aerospace engineer, to suggest that that actually feature, if it is what he thinks it is, would complete my theory because it would serve as a A preamp for the microwave.
He said that was the thing that was missing in my theory was that there was no preamp.
Oh yes, that is predetermined to make sure that they maintain the head pressure.
The fittings, or the metal fittings, I describe as switches, like fluid switches.
So when the fluid or the chemical was covering those metal fittings, I call them electrodes.
There would be a closed circuit.
When the fluid level dropped, it would open the circuit and signal the need for more chemicals to be pumped in, in order to maintain the head pressure, in order to make sure that there is an accurate supply of that chemical.
I mean, there's a lot that is missing from the Queen's Chamber.
You have a niche in the East Wall.
We don't know what that was for.
I suspect that it had something to do with It may have been an evaporation tower or something like that where the chemicals mixed and wicked up through some materials.
I would speculate that, and actually if you read Tesla and some of his writings, he suggests that with very little energy you could build a device that imparts energy or thrusts into a structure.
And if it is in harmony or the exact frequency with that structure, it could bring the structure down just by an accumulation of energy, of vibration.
The amplitude would keep.
And if you kept pounding it and pounding it and pounding it, eventually it would all come down.
I mean, that's why they instructed soldiers when they're on the march to break step, when they cross a bridge, because their footsteps might cause the bridge to oscillate and destroy.
He built a device that delivered thrusts and powers.
It was an electromagnetic earthquake machine, it's called, right?
You could do an electromechanical, you could do an electrohydraulic, or, you know, just anything.
But you have to be able to time the action.
And so, okay, you think of it like you've got a device, you've got a cylinder, you've got a shaft coming out of it, and you've got a hammer or you've got a copper pad or whatever at the end of it, and you design it so that that shaft is going to push out At a particular frequency.
What happens with the vibration of the pyramid through this thing that's connected to the earth and the subterranean chamber constantly hitting, boom, boom, boom, vibrating.
The hydrogen flows into the great chamber, the king's chamber, or the king's chamber is vibrating, and then you have these shafts that come from the outside of the king's chamber into it.
So Friedemann Freund did research on earthquake lights and his objective was to try to determine if we could detect or if we could have an early warning system for earthquakes.
And he was using NASA satellites to survey the Earth and to observe for when earthquake lights show up.
His theory, it's not really a theory, it's a scientific fact, is that in the minerals in igneous rock, you have these positive charge carriers that when they are stressed, they will shoot to the surface.
And the positive charge carriers, they call them holes, He describes it as a new physics, but it's kind of related to semiconductor physics, which is a little above my head.
But still, he's talking about releasing electrons from deep within the Earth.
And those electrons, when they're stimulated to move, they move very, very quickly through the pyramid.
I mean, no, through the Earth.
And they seek the highest point.
On the surface of the Earth.
So, you have Tesla on one side, and he's saying that if you could put a, like an earthquake machine and just drive, you know, a frequency into the planet, you might be able to release the stresses in the Earth's crust.
And also reduce the possibility of an earthquake.
I'm not saying eliminate it entirely, but at least...
And so, you know, with that, it becomes, you put in these little bits of disparate information together and you combine them and you say, oh, maybe there is something here.
I think, you know, the biggest discovery, which is not talked about very much, It's Friedemann Freund's discovery of the physics behind earthquake lights.
So, this King's Chamber, when it has the hydrogen in it, you have the electrons, you have the vibration of the thing, you have the microwaves coming in.
So, my first book, I didn't have a really accurate description of the northern shift.
Okay.
And so since then, we got the CAD drawings of Rudolf Gantenbrink when he did an examination.
And he did a great, great job measuring everything, every angle, distance, all the way to the outside.
And so this is taken from his CAD drawing, and I just kind of, you know, made it a little more striking, clear, or people could understand the complexity of that shaft.
And also to point out some of the details that are...
Pretty mind-blowing.
You have four bends.
One, two, three, four.
Before it goes into the king's chamber.
Okay?
Now, where is that opening?
It is at the quarter wave location.
And in a resonant cavity, the highest amplitude could be found at a quarter wave.
So it's like if you've got a standing wave in a resonant cavity, it's the quarter wave.
It's the quarter of the distance along the length of the cavity.
That's where...
Your amplitude, that's where your energy is the highest.
But the other thing is, and this information, of course, is common.
I mean, I've talked to people who worked on waveguides.
Eric Wilson is very familiar with them.
And he did a study of Gantenbrink's drawings, and he said, yeah, this, this, this.
And he's pointing out Different unusual features in the shaft that seem to appear in the design of modern waveguides because you have changes in dimension, you have these steps, there is like a bump in an area, and it's all to kind of massage, manipulate the beam as it comes into the pyramid.
But then when it comes to entering into the king's chamber, it goes through four bends.
He said that's to be able to correct the beam so that when it does enter the pyramid, it is coherent and it goes in straight.
And the reason why they have those bends is for it to encircle the Grand Gallery so that it doesn't interfere with the Grand Gallery.
Okay.
Now, if you're just going to ventilate that place, you know, would you need that many bends?
But look at the distance between the Grand Gallery Wall and the North Shaft.
It is 13.6 feet.
If you take the level where the shaft enters the King's Chamber and you take it straight past the Grand Gallery, you're looking at dimension E, which is 41 inches.
So it would clear the Grand Gallery.
It didn't have to go through all those bends unless...
The wall blocks of the Grand Gallery were so large that they didn't want to interfere with them.
And so, does that suggest that the wall block thickness?
Because we don't know how thick they are.
We don't know how thick they are.
But that suggests that they are maybe just a little less than 13 feet thick.
So, the way it's set up here, especially when you're looking at it from this, it really does kind of make sense that this is a passageway for gases and energy.
The way I'm looking, I mean, it looks like, if you're looking at it like this, it looks like a system.
Yeah, I mean, they would have some system on the outside to collect them.
I mean, they may have a very large area actually collecting microwaves and feeding it to a reflector that is directed down the northern shaft.
I mean, you know that there are eight sides to the pyramid, right?
Each side, it dips in.
So it doesn't go straight across.
It dips in.
I don't know where that reflector would have been positioned, but they could have been reflecting microwaves off the surface of the Great Pyramid to a reflector at a distance away, and that reflector...
So either way, you believe that the northern shaft was somehow or another collecting microwave energy, and the southern shaft, what would they do with that energy?
I can only imagine if they can dream up how to build this system, how they machined those precision vases, how they built the boxes in the Serapium, how they created the statues, and knowing that there is so much missing from that culture.
Well, this is where you combine the Tesla's technology and also Freund's laboratory experiments.
And in the laboratory, what Freund did is he got a granite slab A few feet long.
And he put it in a hydraulic press in order to test his theory that if, you know, igneous rock is put under pressure, it releases electrons.
So he wanted to test that.
And he set the granite up in his concrete press.
I mean, concrete press.
Hydraulic press.
And then he ran a wire through an oscilloscope and then attached it to a copper cap.
On the other end of the granite.
So there has to be some kind of a connection.
So you've got electrons moving, you've got positive charge carriers shooting through the granite, and then they're handshaking at the end with the negative electrons.
Everybody does a happy dance and fires up their microwaves.
Just kidding.
But that is seriously.
And then you combine that with Tesla and his proposal to Build a system where you can transmit electricity wirelessly, without wires, through the earth.
And you built the Walden Cliff Tower, which was like a structure that would radiate that power.
So that's the inspiration for this image right here.
You know, I mean, and that is actually a key question because, you know, if you're an examiner or if you are pleading something or somebody is...
Challenging you.
What your state of mind was when something happened, an event happened, what was your state of mind at the time is important.
And my state of mind at the time was, the tomb theory is a dead theory.
I don't accept it.
The pyramid, because of its design, its features, its precision, it looked like a machine.
Perhaps it's a machine.
And if it is a machine, how did the machine operate?
So that's basically what my state of mind was, and the evidence that I was looking at was evidence of a level of sophistication and a structure that actually demonstrated the highest Or any culture.
Not only that, it's like, you know, if you're going to replicate...
I was asked that question when I was in Egypt in 2021. And I was with Hamada Anwar and Dr. Haney Hillel, who used to be the Minister of Science and Higher Education.
Both extremely, extremely good guys, and they are both on the Scam Pyramid mission team.
So I had a meeting with them, and I gave my book to Dr. Halal, and Hamada already had one.
He'd arranged a meeting.
I gave my book to Haney Halal, and I described it briefly.
And he asked me a question I never thought I would hear in Egypt.
And he says, well, could the Great Pyramid be restored and function as you envisioned that it did?
And I was like, I'd pondered that question before, and I thought, I can't see that happening.
You know, I mean, if you were going to, you know, replicate it or create another one, I would do another one, you know, because of the political climate.
Right, of course.
There is so much focus on the Great Pyramid, and everybody who's focused on it is an expert.
And most of them have YouTube channels.
So you have hyper-focus on that area.
I mean, just a simple thing like, okay, we're going to recover the third pyramid.
Let's imagine we enter into a world where people say, you know what, it's better if we know, and there's only one way to know, and it's possible to do.
So let's cover that thing the way it was done before.
Let's put a gold cap on it.
Let's follow the plans as if this is a power plant.
Let's pretend there's some objective scientists that are not ideologically driven at all and they're in control of this AI and they utilize it the exact way we would like it to be utilized.
What I would love is for some PhD student to take on as a dissertation project the Acoustic modeling of the interior of the Great Pyramid.
Get all the dimensions, scan everything, find out all the dimensions, what they are, and then you start to simulate the behavior of the movement of sound within that space.
I mean, we're using human instruments.
To detect resonance and report on the vibrations and how they feel when they hear it.
There's a lot of magical experiences that are happening.
But the magic, I mean, if you've ever read Arthur C. Clarke, it's kind of like sufficiently advanced technology is first seen as magic, right?
So if you have an alien race and they have sufficiently advanced technology, you would look at it as magic.
And if this culture had something that's not where we are, but 500 years more advanced than us, which is why they were able to create something like that.
As an example, as an example of what is possible physically, because if you consider that, you know, those UAPs can descend from 80,000 feet to sea level in a few seconds, the G-forces that they would pull on a 90-degree turn would be like 1,000 Gs.
It would destroy any of our craft and the people inside it.
If it was even possible to make such a turn, which it's not.
We don't have anything to match it.
And then you see how they function.
You see what can we observe on how they are propelled.
You know, on F-16, they've got afterburners, and we see these afterburners kick on and fire belching out the back.
Those UAPs, they just...
They seem to have some kind of aura around them and they defeat gravity and move through space in a way that appears like magic.
But sufficiently advanced technology would be magical.
Well, if there's a time machine, if there was ever a time machine, I've always said if I could go back to one place, I'd go back to Africa when they were doing that.
I mean, I know the burning of the Library of Alexandria, they lost so much.
We have no idea what was in there and what knowledge they had preserved.
So now it's all lost.
And if you're correct, if they really did have some sort of a machine that makes electricity that to this day, I mean, if you want renewable electricity, there you go, kids.
It's right there.
And somehow or another, someone did it 4,500 years ago.
I'm digging through an article right now of some audio engineers that got access to the Great Pyramid.
Like they took in a bunch of high-powered speakers and whatnot.
Very first thing this guy recognized here, he says he noticed that there's a very specific precise frequency when the wind blows across some of the air shafts.
And there was a Dr. David Diemer who actually mapped the frequencies of DNA. As an engineer, I will note 16 hertz is just below the human threshold of hearing.
You would need, yeah, I mean, just a very, very subtle laser, which, you know, is like micro heat, expand the strings, and you would get, they would vibrate.
I think that fundamentally, perhaps the science of tapping into or harvesting electrons through stimulating movement in the lithosphere was probably known.
But if you have what this design, what you believe, the Great Pyramid, how it was used as a power plant, what do you think is going on with the other two pyramids that are near it?
Okay, so you design a project, you propose a project, you gather the resources to complete the project, you describe it to, you know, your investors.
I mean, ultimately it's about follow the money.
How much is it going to cost and what's the return on investment?
And so you have, okay, I want to build a great pyramid, and we're going to have all this, you know, we're going to have all this energy, and I'll build another few pyramids around it, and they'll just be tourist attractions?
No.
No.
No, I mean, if you've got the whole plateau and the lithosphere beneath it, I mean, Freund said that the lithosphere is actually a giant...
it could turn into a giant battery if it is stimulated.
And so if you've got that condition, you've got all that potential energy under your feet, all you've got to do is shake it a little bit, you know, and just go, hey, send me a few more electrons.
And you build a system on the surface.
Perhaps you survey the area, just like, you know, NASA satellites surveyed the area for Freedom of Freund.
And you build a pulse generator deep under the Giza Plateau.
And you start that system up and you survey the area and you look for the hot spots, right?
Where the maximum number of electrons are coming through from the lithosphere.
And then you say, okay, we'll build a pyramid there, build one there, we'll build one there.
It says, according to Judith Brewesque, the Marfa Lights of West Texas have been called many names over the years, such as Ghost Lights, Weird Lights, Strange Lights, Car Lights, Mystery Lights, or Chianti Lights.
My favorite place from which to view the lights is a widened shoulder on Highway 90, about nine miles east of Marfa.
The lights are almost...
Are most often reported at distant spots of brightness distinguishable from branch lights and automotive headlights on 67. So primarily distinguished by their aberrant movements.
So these things just sort of fly around.
Mm-hmm The first historical record of the Marfa Lights was 1883 when a young cowhand Robert Reed Ellison saw a flickering light while he was driving cattle through the Paisano Pass and wondered if it was a campfire of the Apache.
Other settlers told him they often saw the lights, but when they investigated they found no ashes or evidence of a campsite.
If you consider Freund's theory and the Freund effect, it's the release of positive charge carriers from the lithosphere shooting up to the surface and ionizing the air.
But it would sort of support this theory that if you could find places where that is happening naturally, like Marfa, and you established the pyramid there.
You had one other thing that you just said to me when we took a break, that there was some evidence that you knew about this Dibble-Hancock debate that had come to light?
A fellow researcher, Manu Saifadeh, he wrote the book Under the Sphinx.
He had posted on Facebook a paper that had been published.
I think the discussion was the existence of industrial activity during the Ice Age.
Right.
Okay.
And so I talked to him and he sent me several papers.
Where other studies have been done and that show the same kind of markers that you see in that period of time in the paper that he presented on the podcast.
So, you know, everybody should have a chance to fix their mistakes, right?
They are, could you pull them up, Jamie, and we could just go through them.
Okay, so what is wrong, so what you're saying is that, what he was saying is that the evidence of industrialization only occurs after a specific time in the core samples.
I'm just saying that if there is, you know, another body of evidence or other papers, That have been conducted, where research has been conducted, that go further back into the past, in the period of time that Nibble's paper deals with, then they should be introduced into the record.
So, the title of this is, for anybody who wants to find it, is Lead Pollution Recorded in Greenland Ice Indicates European Emissions Track Plagues, Wars, and Imperial Expansion During Antiquity.
Well, the real fascinating thing is if the Egyptians had figured out how to generate power without any damage to the environment, which is really wild.
But if they figured that out with that Great Pyramid, if that process is how they generated electricity, I mean, that's about as green as you're ever going to get.
With magnification and with the artifact in my hand.
So you've got best evidence in your hand and against evidence secondhand taken with photographs.
So what's wrong?
What is the problem with that?
And when I saw what method they used, I didn't take it seriously.
Perhaps I should, and then we won't be here talking about it.
But I didn't take it seriously, and it kind of failed on its face just after the first two pages.
Plus, it was very insulting and mocking, right?
Not very professional.
But basically, what they did is they...
I took a 2D photograph of a 3D cone.
Okay.
I want to show you two things.
This is a flat blank and this is a cone.
Okay?
So aerospace manufacturing engineers know all about how cones are made and they know how to measure them and they know how to transmit geometric data to the customer.
Right?
Our customers would never accept a 2D photograph of a 3D object as evidence of geometric accuracy or precision.
I mean, a 3D camera with, you know, like a scanner or something like that, but just a simple...
But it also describes the state of mind of the investigators who are working on this.
And that is, they are driving to a conclusion that is directly opposite to mine.
So they're not acting in good faith.
If you read a scientific paper or if you are working on a scientific project, if you're in school or if you're anywhere, and so you prepare your report, you publish your report, you describe the methods that you use and the tools that you use, how you did it, and then you publish your results.
I did that.
And then somebody comes along behind you and they say, well, I want to see that for myself.
That's what you call falsification process where, you know, a science has...
Any theory has to be falsifiable.
So somebody, if they confide anything wrong with what you did, then, you know, they have to follow the same steps you did.
Well, he probably was just respecting their work and thinking that your work is one of those alternative guys that's not a part of the system, not a part of the academic system.
The other thing that I thought of after the fact, and we actually kind of covered it, but I never connected the dots, was that one of the things that we were talking about when we were talking about Gobekli Tepe.
Gobekli Tepe was created by these people that didn't need agriculture because the place they lived was so bountiful.
But what if they just didn't What if agriculture to them wasn't plants?
What if agriculture was animal agriculture and they fed their animals with wild plants?
If the wild plants were in such abundance that they could just go out and chop down the wild plants and use them to feed their animals, that's still agriculture.
I forgot that while it was happening, and then afterwards I was like, ah, why didn't I connect those dots?
Because Gobekli Tepe, no one is disputing the time period of it.
It's 11,000 years ago, right?
That's when it was covered intentionally, 11,000 years ago.
So no one's disputing that, but that puts it into the term of pre-agriculture.
And so what he was saying was that maybe where they lived was so bountiful with food that they didn't need agriculture at the time.
Possible.
But also, are we only thinking of agriculture as plant agriculture?
And do we have to grow plants in an agricultural setting to feed animals?
Well, doesn't that entirely depend on how we're raising these animals?
Because if these animals are free-ranging and you have an enormous area, then no.
Then you could harvest them out free-ranging.
You could have agriculture in terms of animals.
And you could have these animals that you're farming.
You're just farming them with wild plants.
And if you could do that for Gobekli Tepe, which is what they're saying, at least they're saying that either they just hunted all the animals that were around there.
There were so many animals around them, they could hunt them very easily to feed everybody, so they'd have enough resources to build this thing.
Or maybe they had some kind of agriculture in terms of animal agriculture, but just hadn't planted things.