April 26, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:38:13
| 
| Speaker | Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
|
unidentified
|
Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight? | |
| No, not really. | ||
| I mean, we try to go up like early, that's why. | ||
| So the first two days is whatever, but after that we're all good. | ||
| Where's the furthest that you had to fly to to fight? | ||
| I think so, Abu Dhabi, Fight Island. | ||
| So how long does that take to adjust? | ||
| Brother, that one was weird because then you remember they had us fighting at weird times? | ||
| So we had to sleep during the day and then train during the night. | ||
| I remember going to sleep around 8 or 9 o'clock a.m. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah, because we was fighting around that time, early in the morning. | ||
| So that was insane. | ||
| So you had to get your body acclimated to that? | ||
| Acclimated, yep. | ||
| Whew. | ||
| That's got to play a factor, right? | ||
| Like if you live in Abu Dhabi, that would be a big advantage. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, did you not just see the July card that got announced in UK? 3 a.m., brother. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Is the main card start. | ||
| So they're saying whoever's main headline is fighting at 6 a.m.? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| You know how drunk that audience is going to be. | ||
| You know what is funny? | ||
| I saw a clip, a meme of a video of a UK fan living in the UK. He watched our fight. | ||
| Our fight just got done. | ||
| Mine's in Justin. | ||
| He played our clip. | ||
| And then he was like, great. | ||
| Now I can start my morning. | ||
| He opened the door. | ||
| It's light out and stuff. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, they have to deal with different... | ||
| I mean, it's funny. | ||
| The American pay-per-view time schedule just trumps everything. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, crazy. | ||
| I guess we're the ones who buy it the most. | ||
| I wonder what the numbers are in the rest of the world. | ||
| I think U.K. is another hot spot, right? | ||
| And U.K. is big. | ||
| I mean, there are some fight fans to be doing that every, you know, once a month. | ||
| They're planning, there's a pay-per-view card and they're like, look, honey, 3 a.m. | ||
| I'm probably going to be screaming, so please don't, you know, don't divorce me. | ||
| So, it's pretty awesome. | ||
| Yeah, you just got to get one tolerant wife and have everybody go over to that house. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be like, hey guys. | ||
| Or you get the single friend. | ||
| You know, one of the guys, he's just single. | ||
| You don't have nothing going on. | ||
| He's like, yeah, you come to my house. | ||
| Yeah, that's perfect. | ||
| So what has it been like for you after 300? | ||
| I mean, it seems like... | ||
| I think for whatever reason... | ||
| People go through phases of their career, and with some fighters, if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter has started to decline. | ||
| Uh-huh, uh-huh. | ||
| And with you, I think some people had written you off for some strange reason. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| Oh, brother. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I heard the noise. | ||
| I heard it. | ||
| I heard the noise. | ||
| I'm like, listen, he's only 32. Right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
32, right? | |
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's only 32. That's... | ||
| Athletic prime. | ||
| I'm like, there's no beatings. | ||
| There's no knockouts. | ||
| There's no decline in the expression of skills inside the octagon. | ||
| Everything looks the same and better every fight. | ||
| You know what the problem is? | ||
| The problem is that these guys got to see me grow up. | ||
| I got in the UFC when I was 20. 20 years old. | ||
| And a lot of people think I'm DC's old ass. | ||
| Like 42 years old or something, you know what I mean? | ||
| And then I'm like, brother, I'm not DC. I've been calling out DC, but I'm a young guy, you know? | ||
| Just because I've been harassing his potato-looking butt. | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| His bag of potato-looking ass? | ||
| You two together are hilarious. | ||
| Brother, I love that guy. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Everybody loves that guy. | |
| He's the best. | ||
| A lot of guys just think I'm old because I've been fighting since I was 20. And it's not like I've been fighting 20. I've been fighting since I was 20 and I fought a who's who in my division. | ||
| You've been fighting the best in the world since you were 20 years old. | ||
| Just past teenager. | ||
| Yeah, especially with the Vogue fights. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| The first two fights was alright, and the third fight is what made everybody go, oh, he's done for. | ||
| I'm like, brother, that was just Vogue's night. | ||
| He was on. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Everybody's like, oh, yeah, look. | ||
| Look at Max. | ||
| Vogue just did this, and now they're doing MMA math because Ilya did that to Vogue. | ||
| Even with Ilya doing MMA math, I beat a guy that beat you. | ||
| I'm like, brother, this is not how it works. | ||
| I lost to Dustin. | ||
| Dustin just got knocked out from Justin. | ||
| And now what? | ||
| Now can I say I beat Dustin now? | ||
| No. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| Yeah, you know, styles make fights. | ||
| It's also, like, what happens in camp? | ||
| What kind of condition are you coming into the fight in? | ||
| Are you fighting injured? | ||
| How did... | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Did you just fight Islam Makachev and get head kicked? | ||
| I mean, that's a big factor, man. | ||
| Brother, that was crazy. | ||
| You know, a lot of people was giving me a shit when... | ||
| Because Islam talked about our fight, about me and Justin saying it was a useless fight or whatever, and I'm like... | ||
| Bro, like, if you took the fight in February when, like, you should have because you came out clean, I think so, Justin would have fought you, you know? | ||
| But, like, how the hell is someone that you just knocked, like, that was a scary knockout, brother. | ||
| Like, that was a scary knockout, ass knockout. | ||
| And that guy turning around in a couple months, like, bro, you're not even supposed to get hit for that long. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then now you're doing a camp. | ||
| Even if you're... | ||
| Okay, say you do a camp. | ||
| You don't support our camp, right? | ||
| But then you're still training hard or whatever. | ||
| And like, maybe you just accidentally fall over, bump your head on something, you know? | ||
| Or like, you're scratching your head, you know? | ||
| Or you're screaming or something because you're stressing out, you know? | ||
| I'm like, I don't know what could happen, but... | ||
| You got it. | ||
| You have to have a long time. | ||
| Yeah, chill it. | ||
| I mean, look at Justin. | ||
| I just saw Justin finally doing interviews after this fight, and he just said, like, I'm not doing nothing for six months. | ||
| Like, nothing. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, that's smart, you know? | ||
| When Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao, Freddie Roach made him wait a year. | ||
| One year? | ||
| One year. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So you got to really heal up. | ||
| That was a bad knockout. | ||
| Bro, you only got... | ||
| I remember it was you that talked about it, that talked about our brain. | ||
| This is like a long time ago. | ||
| When you're talking about the cotton candy thing in your brain and how once that disappears, that shit don't grow back, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I remember watching that. | ||
| That was a long time ago. | ||
| I don't even know how many years that was ago. | ||
| And that really meant a lot. | ||
| And everybody keep telling me, like, oh, Max, you get hit so much and blah, blah, blah, this and that. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, okay. | ||
| In the fight, you might see me get hit, but I'm not sparring. | ||
| You know, like, I'm not sparring. | ||
| I'm being sparring. | ||
| This Justin Gaethje one, brother, I'm just going to the gates of hell. | ||
| We have to bring back sparring. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I was ready to be a crash dummy again. | ||
| I told my coaches, look, this is a man that is very dangerous. | ||
| We need to get into the thick of it and get it done. | ||
| So we bring back sparring for this one, but it still wasn't crazy. | ||
| We had our hard days far outside of camp, and then we kind of toned it out. | ||
| Getting ready for a Justin Gaethje, you had to, but then with your brain health, you need to protect your brain. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's so much movies like on concussions and the movie concussion and we have so much... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and help the brain out. | ||
| So why not use that? | ||
| You know, a lot of people call me crazy. | ||
| A lot of people... | ||
| I keep hearing the talk about his chin gotta go this time. | ||
| His chin... | ||
| Like, when the hell is my chin... | ||
| My chin was supposed to go the last 20 fights. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What are you guys talking about, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's ridiculous. | ||
| Someone either has a good chin or they don't have a good chin. | ||
| But you're not getting hit clean a lot. | ||
| One of the things that you do a lot is you roll with shots. | ||
| You're very good at rolling with shots. | ||
| When you're getting hit, you're getting hit and I see you turning your face. | ||
| I see you taking some steam off of a lot of shots. | ||
| And your style is so... | ||
| it's a fun style to watch, but it's also a nightmare to deal with. | ||
| You're switching stances, you're constantly cutting angles, like the volume that you put on Justin. | ||
| Like when Justin was having a hard time catching to you, it was very evident early on that you were on it. | ||
| But it was one of those fights where it's like, damn, Justin with one punch can fuck people up. | ||
| It's just like avoiding that one punch. | ||
| And then we start tuning him up. | ||
| Then he dropped you. | ||
| He dropped you in what round was that? | ||
| Second? | ||
| Third. | ||
| I think third or fourth round. | ||
| I forget. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Fourth round. | |
| I think it was the fourth round. | ||
| It didn't count as a drop, which is crazy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like a lot of people... | ||
| It didn't count? | ||
| No, it didn't. | ||
| ESPN is like... | ||
| Posting it and saying like in however many fights I'm with the UFC, right? | ||
| I stayed there and get dropped. | ||
| I'm like, that's some bullshit. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Get Justin down with you. | ||
| I'll take it, you know what I mean? | ||
| But I'm not... | ||
| I'll be a man to sit here and be... | ||
| I wouldn't be a man sitting here and telling you that I did. | ||
| Bro, he... | ||
| Bro, all I remember getting hit by that punch and then like I sat and then I came back up. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| What the fuck did he just hit me with? | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know what I mean? | |
| I was like, holy shit! | ||
| I was like, that was a good punch. | ||
| And then when I rewatched it, he hit me like right on the top of my dome. | ||
| I was like, holy smack, brother. | ||
| This guy smacks. | ||
| And then I was fine as soon as I got it. | ||
| It was one of those like, boom, you know? | ||
| Like the legs just give out. | ||
| The legs just give out. | ||
| Like I was there. | ||
| Even when I was standing, I was looking at him. | ||
| But I don't know how that didn't count as a drop. | ||
| But I don't know what they count as a drop because... | ||
| That has to count. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| Yeah, that was crazy. | ||
| No, that's 100% a knockdown. | ||
| Somebody just made a mistake. | ||
| But, like, did you ever see Ilya Toporia when he fought Jai Herbert? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| What's funny, I never saw the fight, but then when people was, when he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying, and he was, he said something about dropping me or KOing me, and then I see the comments of him getting, that hit, that left thigh kick getting dropped. | ||
| So I was like, oh, yeah. | ||
| I didn't see the fight, but I saw that part happen. | ||
| It was an amazing comeback because he knocked him out in the second round, but man, he could take a shot because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side, right chin to the chin, just perfect. | ||
| I mean, it was just whack! | ||
| And then his whole body just goes out and then he grabbed ahold of a single. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, dude, watch the head snap back. | ||
| Look at the head snap back. | ||
| I mean, that is just shin to the chin. | ||
| That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick. | ||
| But he grabbed ahold of him, and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round, and actually was winning the rest of the round. | ||
| That was early, too. | ||
| Look, four minutes. | ||
| He did a lot of wrestling. | ||
| Did a lot of wrestling. | ||
| He's a very complete fighter. | ||
| Yeah, he's very good, bro. | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| And his fucking boxing, man. | ||
| His boxing is terrifying. | ||
| I was shocked that Volk wanted to take that fight so quickly after the Makachev fight. | ||
| If I was his friend, I would have not recommended that. | ||
| But I don't know if you could talk to him. | ||
| I mean, he's a champion. | ||
| He's him, you know? | ||
| Yeah, dudes like that are like, mate, we can do it, mate. | ||
| We're gonna go to war. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He's a fucking animal. | |
| No, he's an animal, by the way. | ||
| He's an animal, but the human body... | ||
| The vulnerabilities of the human body are real, despite the spirit of the man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Despite the spirit of the man. | ||
| You got damage, no matter your spirit, you still have something, your brain, your muscles are still hurting, so it's going to only protect itself when you feel something. | ||
| When there's a warning sign going off, like, oh man, warning, did it shut off? | ||
| Because it's like, look, I'm going to save me from myself. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| Like when Connor fought Dustin the last time. | ||
| He had a broken shin. | ||
| Yeah, his leg was broken already. | ||
| It was a stress factor, right? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yep. | |
| He had a fracture going into that fight. | ||
| And he knew it. | ||
| And the body's just gonna... | ||
| Your body's gonna give up, you know, no matter how strong the will is. | ||
| And think about, like, what that cost him. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Two years. | ||
| And who knows where he could have been if he hadn't taken that fight. | ||
| Look, it's only eight weeks. | ||
| You got a stress fracture like that? | ||
| It's like eight weeks. | ||
| And it's healed. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because it's not all the way through. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It could have healed it. | ||
| And then, you know. | ||
| And UFC would move mountains for that, man. | ||
| So why not, right? | ||
| I don't know if they knew it was a fracture, though. | ||
| It definitely was. | ||
| But I think they had done MRIs on it. | ||
| It was inconclusive. | ||
| Turned out. | ||
| But it was badly hurt. | ||
| You know, you've had bone bruises before where you're like, I don't know if this is broken. | ||
| You've got to get it looked at. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They suck. | ||
| No, they hurt, bro. | ||
| How was your left shin? | ||
| Brother, my left shin, it's alright now, but they hurt, bro. | ||
| That's what I was about to talk about. | ||
| I'm like, bro, this guy kick hard as shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his bones, I don't know what it was made out of, bro. | ||
| I think it's a titanium. | ||
| Like, I like to say my chin is made out of vibranium, brother. | ||
| He had a vibranium leg, bro. | ||
| I was like, he went to Wakanda too? | ||
| I was thinking to myself, like, how? | ||
| I thought I only got to go to Wakanda. | ||
| I guess he went too, you know? | ||
| But, you know, at the end of the day, bro, it hurt. | ||
| Like, my shin still bruised. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| I can move it, whatever. | ||
| It was, like, stiff after the fight. | ||
| In there, a lot of people always, I always hear you talk about it in there and be like, oh, yeah, it hurts. | ||
| I don't really feel it. | ||
| Like, I don't pay too much mind to it in the fight. | ||
| I can feel when he hits it and it's like, oh, I'm telling myself that's going to hurt later. | ||
| But you got 25 minutes, you know, we got to stay in here, you know, and What's interesting is it doesn't seem to compromise your movement that much. | ||
| It depends entirely upon the person. | ||
| Like some people get calf kicked once real hard and it swells up and you see immediately they're walking fucked up and they're trying to switch southpaw. | ||
| They're trying to switch stances. | ||
| But you don't seem to have as much of a problem with it. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't really a problem. | ||
| I know it hurts. | ||
| I know it's going to be hurt after the fight. | ||
| But then even that, switching stances is the most craziest thing to me. | ||
| While after getting completely landed nicely there. | ||
| Because if I switch stances, he screwed up two of my legs. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| Crawl over to him? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'd rather have one leg than two legs messed up, you know? | ||
| Again, though, I think that's you. | ||
| I think you're particularly durable. | ||
| Because some guys, like, you've seen what happens with Pajeda. | ||
| He kicks you a couple of times in that leg, and that leg's fucked up, man. | ||
| Messed up, bro. | ||
| Everybody, even Jan Blachowicz. | ||
| Who's made out of rocks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jan's, like, his bones are made out of stone. | ||
| Remember when he was going with Uncle Liev? | ||
| He went shin to shin with him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was just cracking shins with him and fucking his leg up. | ||
| Yeah, and then a guy like, bro, did you see the picture of me and Alex? | ||
| Alex, did you guys see the picture of me and Alex? | ||
| They face swapped him? | ||
| No. | ||
| They put my face on Alex Ferrara? | ||
| Try to look it up, brother. | ||
| He looked like Thanos, bro. | ||
| And Money Moikano, bro. | ||
| Money Moikano is like, yeah, fuck this guy. | ||
| You know Money Moikano is like, yeah, fuck that guy, bro. | ||
| You got to kill that man. | ||
| Money Moikano is the funniest guy, bro. | ||
| He's so funny, man. | ||
| I saw Twitter. | ||
| He was like, yeah, people asking me to fight Max because he's 9 and I'm 10 or 8 and 9 or something like that. | ||
| Are you fucking crazy? | ||
| He's like, I'll fight him if we have one rule. | ||
| No punching. | ||
| I love Monty McConnell, bro. | ||
| He's a funny dude. | ||
| Man, he almost lost that Jalen Turner fight. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| What happened there? | ||
| Jalen Turner tried to look cool and get a walk-off KO, and it didn't happen. | ||
| It didn't happen. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You gotta follow up. | ||
| That was the fight. | ||
| Like, if he beat Moicano, man. | ||
| And Jalen had him! | ||
| He had him! | ||
| I was at the hotel room still watching that fight. | ||
| We was watching it. | ||
| We was watching it, and... | ||
| Yeah, I was tripping out. | ||
| And you know what's funny? | ||
| As soon as that happened, I told my coach, I was like, you know what would be funny? | ||
| If Money Wakanda comes out and reenickes him the next round. | ||
| And he finishes him the next round. | ||
| I was like, damn. | ||
| It wasn't funny, but it was like, damn, that's amazing. | ||
| Well, Jalen is so long. | ||
| He's so dangerous, too. | ||
| His knockout power, like, at length, he catches guys on the end of shots. | ||
| You can't even come close to him, and he's cracking you, and he's got nasty power. | ||
| And, you know, that Moicano dude, he... | ||
| It's tough, bro. | ||
| It's very tough. | ||
| The fact that he figured it out, he's like, fuck all this standing. | ||
| I'm gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground. | ||
| Smart, bro. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| IQ. Let's fight IQ, bro. | ||
| What a card that was. | ||
| What a card. | ||
| From the first one, bro, I had family and friends that came to the fight, and they went to the first fight. | ||
| Cody Garbrandt and Davidson Figueroa! | ||
| You had to, bro. | ||
| Imagine you got two former world champions going at it in the first fight. | ||
| Yeah, that's insane. | ||
| And two guys that are still awesome. | ||
| And there was fighting. | ||
| It was a fight, bro. | ||
| It was a really good fight. | ||
| It was a fight. | ||
| How crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick? | ||
| Imagine he landed that kick on Stuff's face when Stuff went for the handstand and then he just went for a regular leg kick and almost kicked him in the head. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Yeah, those cartwheel kicks are ridiculous. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| You gotta set them up, brother. | ||
| You can't be just throwing them freely like that, you know? | ||
| Well, Justin tried rolling thunder on you in like the last round, right? | ||
| I knew. | ||
| I knew he was gonna try it. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| That's what Justin's known for, you know? | ||
| So I knew he was gonna do it. | ||
| We knew he was gonna do a couple stuff. | ||
| We knew power punches, leg kicks. | ||
| I was thinking if we got later in the rounds or if he was getting comfortable, he's going to try and do the rolling thunder kick. | ||
| So we was ready for it. | ||
| He's got this weird ability to kick your legs in a clinch. | ||
| Close, bro. | ||
| Close, bro. | ||
| I heard you talking about how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick. | ||
| Bro, it was almost like... | ||
| It wasn't a high kick, of course, but you know what his late kick reminded me of? | ||
| It reminded me of Yair's high kick. | ||
| Me and Yair could be nose to nose and a fucking kick comes up. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit! | ||
| He did it to me one time. | ||
| And I was like, why are you guys so flexible? | ||
| And even with... | ||
| With Justin, with his leg kick, bro, some of them, even his angles that he takes on his kick, I'm like, you're not hitting me with this. | ||
| And he cracks me, his whole shin across my knee. | ||
| I'm like, what is going on? | ||
| How are you landing this? | ||
| His angle is weird, bro. | ||
| He has some weird angles for it, for sure. | ||
| Well, he's very unique in a lot of ways. | ||
| He's a very unique style, very unique mentality. | ||
| He's a unique guy. | ||
| But the leg kicks in the clinch, was it still PFL back then? | ||
| It was PFL. I know which one you were talking about. | ||
| The one that he was in the clinch. | ||
| In the clinch! | ||
| Just kicking and full power leg kicks. | ||
| I think he TKO'd that guy. | ||
| He TKO'd that guy with leg kicks. | ||
| It's horrible to watch because you're dealing with the clinch. | ||
| And you're thinking, oh, we're just clinching here. | ||
| And he's just killing your legs. | ||
| No, he's like, we're not clinching here. | ||
| Like no one can. | ||
| Like no one can. | ||
| I don't know anybody else who kicks the legs from the clinch like Justin Gaethje does. | ||
| Full power clinching. | ||
| You know how you do that heel kick? | ||
| That's what people do. | ||
| They usually grab that heel and they hit it or whatever. | ||
| But this guy is like straight Jose Aldo running leg kicking to you in the clinch. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I know, right? | |
| You know, it's insane. | ||
| Think about all the guys you fought, Max. | ||
| I mean, you have fought the best of the best. | ||
| You fought everybody. | ||
| Except Makhachev, there's like everybody of your era, you fought. | ||
| Yeah, well, the Makhachev fight is not too far off, so, you know, never say never. | ||
| I got a couple more years in me for sure. | ||
| What do you think, like, if you had to plan it out, okay, so here we got Poirier and Makhachev are fighting, they're fighting next, and that's gonna be, what is that, New Jersey? | ||
| New Jersey. | ||
| New Jersey. | ||
| So let's say Makachev wins. | ||
| If Makachev wins... | ||
| Well, even if Poirier wins. | ||
| If Poirier wins... | ||
| Bro, if Poirier wins, that'd be a fun fight. | ||
| It's a great rematch. | ||
| We have history, you know? | ||
| Especially at 55... | ||
| We have 45. And make it a double belt. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| I would love that, brother. | ||
|
unidentified
|
The double belt. | |
| Yeah, that'd be crazy. | ||
| The double belt. | ||
| The double belt. | ||
| First time ever. | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
| BMF and the lightweight title on the line. | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
| Wow, that would be wild. | ||
| But even if... | ||
| Whoever wins. | ||
| But then, I really like... | ||
| No, here's the thing. | ||
| At 55, you look fantastic. | ||
| You look bigger. | ||
| You look stronger. | ||
| I'm sure it felt better. | ||
| Oh yeah, it felt good, bro. | ||
| The cut was a cut, don't get me wrong, but it was beautiful, brother. | ||
| I was eating sushi all week. | ||
| I eat sushi when I go to 45 too, but I was eating more sushi all week, but I was loving it. | ||
| Do you think that that's better for you? | ||
| We see what happens. | ||
| I feel like I still have unfinished business at 45. I want to get the title. | ||
| I mean, before this fight, we only had a couple of options. | ||
| After this fight, the whole main goal with this fight was just have all the options. | ||
| That was my mentality going into this fight. | ||
| The mentality was, let's have all the options. | ||
| We go out there. | ||
| We do something spectacular. | ||
| I'm right up there with the top 55ers. | ||
| I still have my spot with the 45ers. | ||
| And then, to my surprise, after the fight, they announced a Conor vs Chandler fight. | ||
| Me and Conor have some history, so there's options. | ||
| And they're talking about doing something at 65. I know DC's been saying this. | ||
| I don't know what he knows. | ||
| I haven't pressed him. | ||
| I'm sure DC knows something. | ||
| That guy only talks about stuff when he knows. | ||
| Yeah, clever. | ||
| This is what DC asks, brother. | ||
| You know DC. You've caught a lot of fights with him. | ||
| You know him as a person. | ||
| He don't talk about nothing unless he knows something is going on, brother. | ||
| That's what I'm thinking. | ||
| It's either he knows something going on or he's just bullshitting. | ||
| So it's either, it's one or the other. | ||
| Yeah, I doubt he's bullshitting. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| With that, you know what I mean? | ||
| I know he doesn't bullshitting, but I know he sees other stuff. | ||
| It's like, it's crazy, like, because I saw him talking about the BMF. Did you see that one with that bit with RC? Yes. | ||
| When he told RC that he should, who else should fight for the BMF? And no disrespect to him, but like, come on, DC, what the hell is he? | ||
| Like, he's just so offline on that side, you know? | ||
| Did he say out of pocket? | ||
| Yeah, he's so out of pocket, like, calling that, you know? | ||
| Well, He's out of pocket because he's so biased towards wrestling. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's like, there's been no takedowns in the BMF fights. | ||
| I think that's what a BMF belt is, you know? | ||
| Well, it can be takedowns if it happens, but to have it just because you want takedowns, bring a wrestler in. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah. | |
| That belt is a special belt. | ||
| It's a wild belt. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| These are wild fights. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| Like a lot of them... | ||
| It's funny because I see a lot of these guys, these MMA guys, guys, some guys who's just like even doing MMA. I see everything, brother. | ||
| From like low-level MMA guys that's trying to come up to mid to high. | ||
| And before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF, whatever, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then now that I got it, I'm happy to see that it's actually getting its worth. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| At the end of the day, everybody's saying, oh, no undisputed. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I was an Undisputed Champion. | ||
| I have the BMF belt now. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Well, I'm fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these numbers and champions. | ||
| Now you tell me what it is. | ||
| At the end of the day, the belt is cool, and I always tell everybody, the belt is cool, but you guys got to understand what brings with the belt, what the emotions it brings, and what kind of fight it brings to a card. | ||
| Our fight, a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300, you know what I mean? | ||
| So it's insane, you know? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And the crazy thing is there was two insane fights after your fight. | ||
| Your fight was so good that two insane world title fights afterwards... | ||
| Had to happen after, yeah. | ||
| And still, people talk about your fight. | ||
| And I felt so bad for the girls because I was watching that fight in the back after doing my media. | ||
| And it was such a crazy fight, brother. | ||
| Amazing fight. | ||
| But I think people just had an adrenaline dump because of what happened in the last fight. | ||
| I lost my voice. | ||
| Bro, I lost my voice. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| I've never lost my voice ever in a UFC fight. | ||
| But when you dropped him, it was the first time I ever stood up. | ||
| I couldn't sit down. | ||
| I was standing up. | ||
| I was just like, oh! | ||
| I saw you stand up. | ||
| That was the first time I stood up. | ||
| It was just, what?! | ||
| Dana had the greatest quote in the post-fight press conference. | ||
| He said, I sell holy shit moments. | ||
| When people ask me, what do I do for a living? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| I couldn't even sit down. | ||
| I had to get up. | ||
| I had to hold on to those guys. | ||
| I'm holding on to them. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It's funny when they started putting cameras on us. | ||
| Because we've been doing that forever. | ||
| DC and I go crazy. | ||
| We hug each other. | ||
| We go nuts. | ||
| When something crazy happens, it's like, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| I'm glad they did. | ||
| Because to see fans and reactions to the fight is cool. | ||
| But they're fans. | ||
| But then when you see our peers and guys like you and other fighters and commentators of the sport, you've been around forever. | ||
| So, to see you do that, that brings a humangous-ass smile to my face. | ||
| Like, holy shit! | ||
| I just made Joe Rogan stand the hell out, you know? | ||
| I say, to this day, and I do it based on my reaction. | ||
| Obviously, this is personal. | ||
| I say it's the greatest knockout of all time. | ||
| The reason why I say it's the greatest knockout of all time is because everybody thought that Justin was going to be overpowering you. | ||
| He was a bigger guy. | ||
| He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier. | ||
| You had lost the last fight to Volkanovski. | ||
| You hadn't been in title contention since then. | ||
| You had a bunch of great wins, but here you're going to fight this bigger guy and all these people are writing you off. | ||
| All these people were saying that it did. | ||
| And you're tuning him up. | ||
| And you did have to overcome getting knocked down. | ||
| And you did have adversity. | ||
| You had to deal with that leg. | ||
| And then for you to stand, winning four rounds to one, in the middle of the octagon, point at the ground with ten seconds left, and then to knock him out with one second left? | ||
| The way I reacted? | ||
| The way I jumped up, I've never done that before. | ||
| Even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman, that was another crazy one. | ||
| Yeah, that was crazy. | ||
| Before that, I would have said, that was the greatest knockout of all time. | ||
| Because he was down. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| He was down four rounds, and John Anik just had the perfect call. | ||
| He said, that is not the cloth from which he is cut. | ||
| And it boomed. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| And it boomed. | ||
| He has his head kicked like it's a movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was number one before, but you are number one now. | ||
| Thank you brother. | ||
| That's number one. | ||
| Cause just, Impact, all time, like, complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt. | ||
| They don't think about it as a gimmick at all anymore. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Cause it was the wildest crazy fight with an undeniable number one contender in Justin versus you. | ||
| It's wild how it happened. | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| The whole thing was wild. | ||
| I mean, you're only as good as your last fight, right? | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| This sport, I like to tell everybody, this is not like basketball. | ||
| This is not like baseball or like hockey where you can just shit the bed on a Tuesday and then you come back out on a Friday and then you're just a man of the world again. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, shit like this stuff happened. | ||
| You have a bad fight like with Alex. | ||
| That fight don't get erased off until I have something great. | ||
| And even if you have a good fight, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I had a good fight with Arnold. | ||
| But they still were like, ah, Alex, he did that. | ||
| And then I did it with Korean Zombie. | ||
| And then I had a knockout over Korean Zombie. | ||
| And then they're like, yeah, but Korean is old and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then finally, now with this justice, now everybody forgets. | ||
| It takes us a while to maybe forget about your last fight. | ||
| It was amazing, bro. | ||
| To see everybody go crazy. | ||
| In my mind, a lot of people ask me, what's going through your mind when you're doing that? | ||
| You're up 4-1? | ||
| I'm like, brother, that was in my mind the whole time. | ||
| I'm like, bro, we're going to 10 seconds? | ||
| I was like, I remember it being a minute. | ||
| I remember my coach yelling, a minute, Max, stay clean! | ||
| And then I was like, a minute. | ||
| I was like, oh, hell yeah. | ||
| 15 seconds until we go to the center. | ||
| We're going to swing in my mind. | ||
| And then he's like, 40 seconds. | ||
| I was like, holy shit, this clock is slow. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm like, why is it taking forever? | ||
| And then he's like, 30 seconds. | ||
| And then he's like, okay, 20 seconds. | ||
| And then he does, and he goes, right after the 20 seconds mark, underneath, a couple seconds after, he does his Rolling Thunder. | ||
| And then it pushed me to the point to perfectly circle out, and that's when I said, I did the, like, oh, come here, you know, let's go here, let's throw it, because that was just, everybody's losing their mind, but to me, this is normal, you know? | ||
| This is the second time I did it, you know? | ||
| Of course, the second time I'm doing it, I heard you guys say, the first time I was with Ricardo, but this ain't no Justin Gaethje, you know? | ||
| But, you know, why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| If he was to put me out, then... | ||
| Then so be it, you know? | ||
| Live by the sword. | ||
| Well, it was a wild ending to the fight. | ||
| There's the Rolling Thunder. | ||
| Damn, that was a nice Rolling Thunder, too. | ||
| That was nice. | ||
| It was. | ||
| Close. | ||
| Now, right here. | ||
| Oh, this is so crazy, Max. | ||
| That was crazy, yeah. | ||
| It's the greatest. | ||
| It has to be the greatest knockout. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And then you flexing walking around. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| That's the greatest shotgun of all time. | ||
| They got the sickest picture of me, bro. | ||
| They had the sickest picture of me when I'm flexing and I'm over. | ||
| I love Justin, bro. | ||
| I freaking love the man. | ||
| But they have the Muhammad Ali picture? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they got a moment of me like that. | ||
| I got a painting for you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I told you I got it. | |
| Ross Baines, he's an amazing artist. | ||
| He made an incredible painting. | ||
| And it's on the way. | ||
| I had someone go back to my house and go grab it. | ||
| Sick. | ||
| It's on the way. | ||
| Sick. | ||
| Yeah, that was a wild moment, man. | ||
| It's a complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights. | ||
| Like, you are the fucking man now. | ||
| Like, whatever next pay-per-view you're in, holy shit, that's gonna be big. | ||
| And if it's you and Makachev, or if it's you and Ilya, you and Ilya would be crazy! | ||
| Brother, brother, so much fun. | ||
| So much fun, brother. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| Is that Spain? | ||
| Is that 305? | ||
| When is there going to be a UFC? Perth is 305, right? | ||
| I don't think they're going to go Spain this year. | ||
| I don't think they can. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Dana White said it in the 300 conference. | ||
| After Fight Conference, he said that we're going with Spain. | ||
| It just takes the time because you've got to book something and it's going to be like a year now. | ||
| Good. | ||
| That fight should be in Vegas. | ||
| Let's go Vegas. | ||
| I hope Vegas. | ||
| Or Madison Square Garden. | ||
| Or Vegas Legion Stadium. | ||
| 66,000. | ||
| Brother, that's what it is. | ||
| Did you use their 300 night? | ||
| Brother, did you not see all the Hawaiian flags? | ||
| They were everywhere. | ||
| Bro, that is the ninth island, brother. | ||
| Give me... | ||
| We can't go to UFC Hawaii. | ||
| Give me Allegiant Stadium and let's go crazy there. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| You could sell it. | ||
| Allegiant Stadium for a big UFC, 100% they could sell it. | ||
| I mean, every UFC sells out like that. | ||
| They sell out so quick. | ||
| There's so many scalp tickets. | ||
| In a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card, because you know they're doing the sphere, which is going to be wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's going to be wild. | ||
| Who do you think will be in the sphere? | ||
| That's a good question, right? | ||
| Because it's Mexican Independence Day? | ||
| Yes, it's September. | ||
| I don't think they have it set up. | ||
| Mexicans like to count me as their own, so I might even be in the spirit. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| They count you? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| For your style? | ||
| Yeah, yes sir. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| What a crazy night, Max. | ||
| What a crazy night. | ||
| And to have that happen, again, like where there's two amazing fights after yours. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And everybody's still just talking about your fight. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, even with the... | ||
| I remember as soon as the fight happened, you know, a couple minutes after, my agent Tim Simpson came in and he told me, hey, he was like, brother, they just put your knockout on top of Instagram and YouTube and everything. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| They never do that. | ||
| Yeah, they was like, they never do that. | ||
| They only did this for, they only did it for Suga. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| So we saw, I thought they was lying, you know, and they saw it was there. | ||
| Three different angles, and I reposted it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, if UFC's posting this, I'm posting this shit too. | ||
| Like, This is the craziest knockout of all time. | ||
| Bro, the craziest angle is the one when they pause me and then they do a 360 view and then they play it again. | ||
| I'm like, bro, that's... | ||
| That's insane, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What does it feel like when it's all over? | ||
| Does it feel like a dream? | ||
| Like, what does it feel like when it's over? | ||
| Brother, I still... | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| I still... | ||
| I'm still getting used to it. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| You know, I feel normal. | ||
| Life's still normal, but, like, I'm getting... | ||
| Brother, walking down 6th Street last night to get my dinner, I was getting harassed. | ||
| Like, not harassed. | ||
| Like, nicely harassed. | ||
| But, like, people like... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Like, you're getting... | ||
| I always get noticed, but, like, these guys, like... | ||
| It's out and about way more, you know? | ||
| And so... | ||
| It's just amazing, bro. | ||
| Even, like, guys who don't even look like they watch fighting. | ||
| You know, grandmas and grandpas at airports, like, hey, you're the guy, huh? | ||
| Yeah, I'm the guy. | ||
| Well, that clip got so viral, too. | ||
| You know, that clip was so viral. | ||
| It was everywhere. | ||
| It was TikTok and YouTube. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It was everywhere. | |
| Yeah, bro, my other agent on our team, Daniel, he's like a numbers guy or whatever. | ||
| And the Google search on me was, like, crazy, bro. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| It was in, like, the billions. | ||
| Like after, it was insane. | ||
| It was something stupid. | ||
| I was like, oh wow. | ||
| I didn't even know you could look that up. | ||
| I told him. | ||
| Yeah, that's what makes it very interesting for your next fight. | ||
| Because your next fight is going to be huge. | ||
| It's going to be huge. | ||
| Like, you're a fucking bonafide superstar now. | ||
| Like, your next fight's going to be nuts. | ||
| Can't wait, bro. | ||
| Can't wait. | ||
| I don't know who it is, who it was, what the UFC want to do. | ||
| But, like you said, that option, bro. | ||
| In this game, you're all about options. | ||
| There's so many options. | ||
| And there's so many options in your area, too, right? | ||
| Like, Sugar has been talking about fighting Teporia at 45. Well, if Sugar's willing to fight Teporia at 45, he's willing to fight Max at 45. Right? | ||
| That gets crazy. | ||
| There's crazy match-ups all over the place. | ||
| In a perfect world, you're actually in a perfect world. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a perfect world... | ||
| If I could have it my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight Conor. | ||
| You know, I think that Conor fight would be huge or whatever, but we don't know what he's going to do. | ||
| So, like, if that's out, in a perfect world to me, it would be fight Ilya, 45 title, get my hand raised, and whoever's the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ status, whatever it is. | ||
| Or even cheap belts, you know, like 45, the BMF, and then put the BMF and the 55 against whoever at 55, and that'd be... | ||
| That'd be surreal, you know. | ||
| I think that'd be crazy. | ||
| Well, there's another option too, if they really do this Conor 165 title. | ||
| There's an option of you being a three champ. | ||
| That'd be insane. | ||
| If they did the 165, it'd be fun. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| You'd have to cut any weight. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You could eat sushi every day. | ||
| I would eat sushi weight a day. | ||
| I would eat on the scale. | ||
| What is your walk around weight? | ||
| Like, what's right now? | ||
| Me right now, I walk around like, before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70, 75. Nothing crazy. | ||
| Oh, that's not too crazy. | ||
| Yeah, nothing crazy. | ||
| Nothing crazy. | ||
| I was in there against, they make us check our weight now. | ||
| And I was only 172 when we went in against Gaethje. | ||
| When you were fighting at featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought? | ||
| I'd be around like 65. I'd get a high 60s. | ||
| Maybe 68 at the highest. | ||
| So did you... | ||
| I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning. | ||
| Your YouTube channel is great, by the way. | ||
| Oh, thank you, by the way. | ||
| And it's really cool how you document pretty much everything. | ||
| You're showing all your training, all the different stuff. | ||
| So you did a lot of strength and conditioning. | ||
| We did a lot of strength. | ||
| We did a lot of strength. | ||
| So a lot of people is talking about matching Geechee's strength. | ||
| Our team didn't want to. | ||
| We wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast. | ||
| We knew we was faster than Gagey. | ||
| So our main focus, everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to, of course, endure his strikes. | ||
| But the main thing that we wanted to focus on was speed. | ||
| I knew I could outgun him. | ||
| In the fifth round, when we really hurt him, hurt him, I outgunned him with speed. | ||
| I hit him with five hits. | ||
| And the one that you don't see hurt you the most. | ||
| And the last right hand in that little combination early in the fifth round is what hurt him the most. | ||
| I stunned him a little bit. | ||
| We're just working on speed, brother. | ||
| We had 12 weeks. | ||
| I wasn't willing to put strength to give up conditioning. | ||
| So I was like, I'm going to be speed and conditioned. | ||
| That's the way I fight. | ||
| If you go look at it, a lot of people are looking at stats. | ||
| Reminds me his fight about how much he throws in strikes and how much I throw in strikes, how much he gets hit, which was less than how much I get hit. | ||
| And I was like, brother, that cannot be right. | ||
| And the stats is, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, no way. | ||
| And when you look at the stats, this guy had 12 fights and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC. That's what comes... | ||
| Our stats is so close to each other because I have so much more fights than his... | ||
| And then even that, I had a lot of time in the octagon. | ||
| And he just didn't because he would knock guys out. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He had that beautiful power. | ||
| At the end of the day, Some of the numbers that these guys are putting out there, I was like, brother, you guys need to do your homework. | ||
| Stop looking at the surface level. | ||
| Start digging deep into it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was interesting what you just said about strength and conditioning. | ||
| You're not willing to give up conditioning for strength. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So how do you approach that? | ||
| When you made a decision to go to 55, so the Poirier fight, you go to 55, but you did it on pretty short notice, right? | ||
| Yeah, we had like... | ||
| So the way we train is I always take two weeks off before the fight. | ||
| So it was like six weeks. | ||
| And then so we actually had four weeks to train for him. | ||
| And I was like, I mean, put up the picture of Poirier punching me in my face. | ||
| There's a famous picture of Poirier punching me in my face. | ||
| Explain that when you said you take two weeks off before the fight. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So like strength and conditioning. | ||
| So I don't do no strength and conditioning the week before the fight. | ||
| Maybe we do a little lift or whatever, but it's just something you maintain. | ||
| Because you can't get faster or stronger two weeks before a fight or even the week, right? | ||
| So even with cardio, anything I do the week before the fight is not going to help me. | ||
| And anything I do the week of the fight is not going to help me. | ||
| All the hard work is done. | ||
| And that's what these guys... | ||
| Look how fat I was. | ||
| Look at that top right one. | ||
| That top right one right there. | ||
| Look how fat I was. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Yeah, that's Muffin Top Max, brother. | ||
| And he zooms in. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Wow. | |
| Wow, you're an asshole, huh? | ||
| So you only had four weeks, and there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks. | ||
| Or anything, you know, and I was like, uh, and I didn't, uh, I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time, so, you know, Emile's was crazy before. | ||
| I ate out every night. | ||
| I was terrible. | ||
| Now she cooks me, now she keeps me clean, so it is what it is, you know. | ||
| I hate using excuses because, you know, Dustin, I came out there and fought hard, and we fought hard, and I ain't taking nothing away from Dustin, so whatever I did was on me, and, you know, if that fight, if we get a third one, then I think it would be a pretty fun one. | ||
| Oh, it'd be amazing. | ||
| That'd be wild. | ||
| A third fight between you guys would be wild. | ||
| Especially if he beats Islam. | ||
| If he beats Islam, that's a no-brainer. | ||
| That'd be crazy, yeah. | ||
| That's a no-brainer. | ||
| How much is the odds on betting on him dropping a ghillie? | ||
| He's gonna try. | ||
| You know, I didn't know that he was referencing William Montgomery, the comedian, when he, I ain't never gonna stop! | ||
| That's what he was doing. | ||
| He was doing William Montgomery from Kill Tony. | ||
| I didn't know, and I'm friends with William Montgomery. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| You're not a good friend, Ninja. | ||
| What the hell? | ||
| You know, I felt like a bad friend. | ||
| But really what it is, is like when I'm doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that, Interviews are complicated. | ||
| You're locked in, bro. | ||
| I'm trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible. | ||
| I'm trying to stay out of the way, but I'm also trying to ask questions, and so I didn't pick up on it. | ||
| Plus, I was like, no way. | ||
| Yeah, you're locked in, bro. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You're locked in. | |
| But Tony texted me. | ||
| He goes, did he just quote William Montgomery? | ||
| I'm like, no way, really? | ||
| Is that what that was? | ||
| And then Willie texted you, fuck you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right? | |
| No, they had been going back and forth. | ||
| He apparently, Dustin told him he was going to say it. | ||
| Oh, for real? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They've been DMing each other. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, it's hilarious. | ||
| Dustin's the man, bro. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| With his beautiful uppercut. | ||
| Now, he had been pressuring you. | ||
|
unidentified
|
There had been moments in the fight where you chose to jump to guard and try to grab a guillotine. | |
| Yeah, I'll do it. | ||
| And I'll never stop doing it. | ||
| And I'll never stop doing it. | ||
| Dustin's one of the good guys in our sport. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I love Dustin. | ||
| I love Dustin. | ||
| And I was glad for him to get that win over Benoit Saint-Denis. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| A killer, bro. | ||
| He's a killer, bro. | ||
| And that's another fight, right? | ||
| Saint-Denis gets staph. | ||
| So he's got staph on his forehead. | ||
| He's got to take antibiotics. | ||
| Have you ever had staph? | ||
| No, bro. | ||
| Knock on wood. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| How have you avoided staph? | ||
| Yeah, brother. | ||
| I'm clean, I guess. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I guess. | |
| You're doing something, right? | ||
| Some guys are some dirty mother effers, I think, you know? | ||
| Well, you can get staff easy. | ||
| You can get staff easy. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I know some guys, once it's in your system, you just got to get reawakened, right? | ||
| One of our friends, he's pretty bad. | ||
| He's always got staff every other week, feels like. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, it's terrible. | ||
| Does he take showers? | ||
| Brother, he does. | ||
| He does everything. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| It's just bad luck, I think. | ||
| Another thing is, like, people mistakenly use antibacterial soap. | ||
| Like, you don't want antibacterial soap. | ||
| You want to keep your healthy gut floor. | ||
| I tell everybody, I know the guy owns the company, I have no affiliation with it, but defense soap. | ||
| If you're a grappler, it's the shit. | ||
| Defense soap is all natural. | ||
| It's like tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil, and he has all kinds of products. | ||
| Everything from stuff to clean, like wipes. | ||
| If you can't get to a shower quick enough, if you're training in a place that's kind of dingy and doesn't have a shower, they have wipes until you get home. | ||
| They have soaps and ointments. | ||
| That's the most crazy thing, bro, right? | ||
| When people, like, I see people, like, we train, and then we have a shower at the gym, and some of them just, like, change their clothes and, like, I gotta go. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| What the hell? | ||
| Did you shower? | ||
| I said, no, no, I gotta leave. | ||
| I was like, the hell? | ||
| No way, you know? | ||
| I live like 45 minutes. | ||
| Some of them live like maybe 15 minutes. | ||
| But 15 minutes is enough for a ringworm or something to fucking wake up, you know? | ||
| So it's like, brother, just jump in there and get a rinse off. | ||
| Yeah, I've had ringworm. | ||
| I've had staph twice. | ||
| I've had ringworm a couple of times. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| Oh, ringworm is irritating. | ||
| The defense soap is the shit. | ||
| I tell everybody, get on that. | ||
| And it doesn't mess up, because it's all natural. | ||
| It's like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil, and it smells good, but it doesn't fuck up your skin floor. | ||
| I knew this dude who had ringworm, and so he started using antibacterial soap, and then he got it everywhere. | ||
| It spread all over his chest. | ||
| And then what it does too, it burns your skin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So like when you use that kind of stuff with ringworm, I remember people used to like bleach them. | ||
| And then you'd be bleached, you'd have a bleach circle. | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, like a burn. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's insane. | |
| Yeah, a lot of psycho dudes use bleach. | ||
| That's a crazy move, to pour bleach on an open wound. | ||
| Like what the fuck are you, what are you doing, man? | ||
| So, for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were going to fight at 55 and that you were going to fight Justin? | ||
| Brother, so there is an idea of maybe. | ||
| Maybe it was going to happen for a while. | ||
| But we didn't know. | ||
| And then we got confirmed. | ||
| I think it was like 10 to 12 weeks. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, I don't know what it was. | ||
| So it was like 10 to 12 weeks. | ||
| So it was like more than enough time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Plenty of time. | |
| Yeah, we had so much time, brother. | ||
| We was planning. | ||
| I got to train. | ||
| I got to lift. | ||
| I was already... | ||
| We was training a lot. | ||
| My last fight was in August. | ||
| So I was in the gym training, getting ready. | ||
| Brother, after the Voke and... | ||
| Is them to fight? | ||
| I was like, there is no way they're letting this guy turn around. | ||
| So I really thought they was going to try and ask me to go fight Ilya in January or something. | ||
| I went to Toronto. | ||
| I fought in Toronto twice. | ||
| I won an interim. | ||
| I defended the belt there. | ||
| I have a following in Toronto. | ||
| I call it the 10th Island. | ||
| I like to call it... | ||
| I love the Canadians. | ||
| They're literally the best. | ||
| So I was thinking, man, we're going to get caught. | ||
| There's no way that he's going to fight. | ||
| And then... | ||
| They did. | ||
| They just moved it from January to February. | ||
| They put the other card, whatever. | ||
| They switched it around. | ||
| I was already training and then, yeah. | ||
| I couldn't tell you when, but I knew we had at least 12 weeks. | ||
| At least 12 weeks. | ||
| When did you know that it was going to be 55 and when did you know it was going to be for the BMF belt? | ||
| That was 12 weeks. | ||
| 12 weeks. | ||
| So, had you already had a plan to put weight on? | ||
| Had you already had a plan, like strength and conditioning plan? | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| As soon as the talks of maybe we might even fight Gaethje at all, was like, we just gotta... | ||
| Our plan was, what I said, was like, we gotta put on size to endure damage, but then let's not lose this speed. | ||
| That was my head coach, Darren Yap, the tactical strength, the best strength and conditioning in all of Hawaii. | ||
| And if somebody got a problem, then they can meet me somewhere, anywhere. | ||
| But all jokes aside, he's the man, bro. | ||
| And he's the one that was like, yeah, look, I know you want to get strong, Max. | ||
| He's the one that came up with it. | ||
| He's like, I know you want to get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro. | ||
| We still need your speed, and we got to outwork this guy. | ||
| He always weaponized my cardio. | ||
| He was like, brother, whoever we fight, you're going to outwork him. | ||
| So let's just get your speed up, stay fast, get a little bit bigger without being too much to get to... | ||
| He was the main one. | ||
| He's like, I don't want to give up strength. | ||
| I don't want to give up conditioning for strength, brother. | ||
| Because the idea is the more muscle you have, the more endurance it's going to require. | ||
| Yeah, and especially even with everybody. | ||
| I train with bigger guys here and there, and I never ever once felt like, holy shit. | ||
| This guy is so much stronger than me. | ||
| Like, I never ever once felt that way. | ||
| You know, you hear these talks of some people saying, oh, this guy's really strong. | ||
| So, I tried to go with him. | ||
| I was like, ah, he's alright. | ||
| You know, it's not like, oh my god, he's gonna be strong. | ||
| So, I felt like, I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess. | ||
| Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know? | ||
| And that's what it is, you know? | ||
| I keep telling a lot of these MMA guys or just people coming up, or even our amateur fighters that's coming up, I just keep telling them, like, brother, there's no difference between me and you. | ||
| The only difference is my experience. | ||
| Even with UFC fighters, the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset. | ||
| Top 10 to 5, experience, mindset. | ||
| 5 to the championship, same thing. | ||
| And then the champion and maybe the top 3 guys after that. | ||
| It's just a mind thing, brother. | ||
| This shit is easy. | ||
| Most of these things that is hard is because you make it hard. | ||
| A lot of guys make it hard for themselves. | ||
| I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| You're beating yourself up for what? | ||
| This is just fucking practice. | ||
| Get better. | ||
| That's all you got to do. | ||
| Stop beating yourself up. | ||
| But you have a great mentality for that. | ||
| You're able to go past losses easily. | ||
| It is what it is, and you keep moving, and you're on the path. | ||
| But for some people, losses are devastating because their whole identity is based on success. | ||
| And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser. | ||
| But even with that, the whole identity thing, that's what it is. | ||
| Like, even when, like, you see guys retiring from other sports or our sport, like, they have that identity crisis because they're so known for one thing. | ||
| And that's why I tell them, like, that's why I love doing other stuff. | ||
| Like, people, bro, oh, my God. | ||
| I stream. | ||
| I stream on Kik now. | ||
| I stream on Kik.com. | ||
| And, brother, during the whole fight, I'm streaming. | ||
| They're like, yup! | ||
| Thank you for this, Max. | ||
| I'm putting my house on Gaethje now. | ||
| He's training while you're playing fucking video games. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| I'm like, bro, I need to be training for 24 hours of the day? | ||
| Like a fucking cyborg or something? | ||
| What the hell? | ||
| Like, yup, yup, yup, you, yup. | ||
| Look at you over here. | ||
| I freaking, I do slots in there, you know, I gamble. | ||
| Like, we play fun. | ||
| Yup, look at you doing this shit, losing money. | ||
| You're going to lose your fight too? | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| Like, bro, you can't catch a break, bro. | ||
| Those are just losers. | ||
| Unfortunately, I don't mean anything bad to you guys out there, but if you're commenting to a guy like that, you're a loser. | ||
| There's no way you're a winner. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| It's not possible that you're excelling at whatever you do. | ||
| No one comes to you like, that's Mike, he's the best. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No one. | |
| No chance. | ||
| If you're commenting like that on people, you're just, you're a loser. | ||
| And that's unfortunate. | ||
| I've been a loser in my life, you know? | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's common. | ||
| It's common, but you're a loser. | ||
| And winners don't think that way. | ||
| The idea that a guy can't play some video games and unwind while he's in the middle of camp, you're out of your fucking mind. | ||
| You don't understand. | ||
| You don't understand what you're talking about. | ||
| I like talking to Mighty, because me and Mighty did an interview. | ||
| Mighty's the best. | ||
| Yeah, he's the man, and he was just telling me, It's so funny because every time I tell everybody fighting is easy, a lot of people look at me crazy. | ||
| They're like, what do you mean it's easy? | ||
| I was like, bro, anything you do in life is easy. | ||
| It's just that you make it hard. | ||
| A lot of assholes make it hard for themselves. | ||
| It's actually pretty easy. | ||
| If you look at the steps, these are the steps. | ||
| Yeah, you might fall down. | ||
| In the sense of actually getting it done, it's going to be hard work. | ||
| But it's easy because you know what you got to do, right? | ||
| And I told Mighty, when I told Mighty about fighting, Mighty was the first guy ever that said like... | ||
| Bro, that's what I tell everybody. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I tell fighting is easy. | |
| I was like, holy shit, if the MMA GOAT is telling you fighting is easy, stop harassing me. | ||
| Go harass him. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Go tell him. | ||
| He said it too. | ||
| I think it's easy for you and I think it's easy for Mighty because you guys are real champions. | ||
| You have this champion mindset and that's what people need to learn. | ||
| They need to learn a mindset for improvement, a mindset for getting better at things, and a mindset for staying positive. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| That's what it's about. | ||
| You can apply that to anything in life. | ||
| So a guy like you that's a champion in MMA, you can do anything, man. | ||
| All you need is just, like, whatever that thing is, focus on that thing, and if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| As I told everybody, I told... | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Me and my wife, I was like, you're so lucky I wasn't a surfer. | ||
| I would have been a world champion surfer. | ||
|
unidentified
|
She always said, I'm bad at surfing, okay? | |
| I'm bad, but I thought, but you're lucky that I don't put my effort into it because I want to be badass. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure, and that's a fact. | ||
| How did you get so good at that jump spinning back kick? | ||
| Brother, just practice, bro. | ||
| Did anybody show you the... | ||
| No, do you remember? | ||
| Do you remember me telling you? | ||
| It was here. | ||
| It's a viral clip about me learning strikes in the game. | ||
| That was one of the strikes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one of the strikes, brother. | ||
| I saw the strikes in the game. | ||
| I was like, Hen and Baral. | ||
| Hen and Baral threw it. | ||
| Threw it nice. | ||
| I was like, with Dustin Kimura, I told him, brother... | ||
| We need to do this spinning back kick shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just so good and it's a secret weapon. | ||
| And the thing is funny because in the game, I was throwing it close. | ||
| Like a lot of people throw it from distance, but I throw it real close, like almost in clinch. | ||
| That's why I asked. | ||
| Yeah, and I told him like, bro, this is going to be a secret weapon. | ||
| I remember Dustin Kimura, he was in the UFC for a little bit. | ||
| And I was trying to make him practice it with me. | ||
| I remember him saying one time like, Fuck this kick. | ||
| This kick is stupid as hell. | ||
| And then we kept practicing, kept practicing. | ||
| Another guy, a big guy came down, trained us, and he dropped him when it was being back, kicked from the clinch, right? | ||
| And I was like, what I told you, brother, I told you this fucking kick is a secret weapon. | ||
| How were you practicing it close up? | ||
| What's the drill? | ||
| He would just stand close. | ||
| I was like, bro, I'd get my timing from it being a distance first, and then we'd be like, live it closer and be like, bro, all we got to focus on is bringing our knee up and then pushing it out at the last second. | ||
| The main thing was just bringing your knee up and snapping your head around. | ||
| Snap your head around first, see where you're going to land so you don't kick each other in the freaking groin area because it happened a couple times to me and him. | ||
| But yeah, it was like bringing you up high, look, and then push it. | ||
| Do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag? | ||
| Yeah, I practice on the bag. | ||
| Like, touch the bag with your shoulder? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Try to. | ||
| And just jumps back and... | ||
| I create my distance from me jumping away from the bag and then stabbing. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| If you can develop that, that is a secret weapon. | ||
| Because it's one of those techniques that's like... | ||
| You remember when the calf kick came along? | ||
| Everybody's got to throw a calf kick. | ||
| If you could develop that... | ||
| Yair has it. | ||
| Yair does it really well. | ||
| But this was a giant moment in the beginning of the fight. | ||
| Look how close you are. | ||
| Look how close you are. | ||
| To be able to get that off from there and to hit him in the nose, his nose was gone. | ||
| Yeah, it was broken, bro. | ||
| I mean, you shattered his nose at the very end of the first round and from then on. | ||
| What a fucking fight, man. | ||
| I watched that fight at least 10 times. | ||
| No bullshit. | ||
| At least. | ||
| I watched it over and over again in the gym. | ||
| I would lie to tell you if I didn't watch it that much. | ||
| Dude, I always pause. | ||
| I always pause. | ||
| No matter what I'm doing. | ||
| If I'm at the gym, I pause for that last 10 seconds. | ||
| Just like this. | ||
| Like, how is this real? | ||
| How is this real? | ||
| You got that jump spinning back kick down, dude. | ||
| You got it down in the most unusual way, which is the hop back and then throw it. | ||
| Raymond Daniels does that really good. | ||
| Yeah, even you. | ||
| Back in the day, it was a video game, and I started looking at spinning back kicks. | ||
| There was a clip of you hitting a fucking kill in the bag, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Jorogi can fight? | ||
| I was like, what the hell is going on? | ||
| He's going to kill you with a spinning back kick. | ||
| There's only one clip of me in a Taekwondo fight, and it's me knocking a dude out with a spinning back kick. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And I sent him flying. | ||
| But it's the same exact move. | ||
| The guy's moving forward, and I just jump and spin at the same time. | ||
| It was the same move, because I was in the air when I landed it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That was my favorite thing to do. | ||
| So when I see a guy like you doing it from up close, and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games, which is so crazy. | ||
| When you told me that the first time, I was like, what? | ||
| I thought, oh, we went to a traditional karate school, and then he started studying Muay Thai when he was 10. No. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I saw cool stuff happening in the game. | ||
| I was like, oh, bro, we could put this together in real life. | ||
| And, bro, Dustin, we never have a striking coach. | ||
| You know, I didn't have Ivan yet. | ||
| And then after the corner fight is when Ivan Flores joined my camp, so... | ||
| And then with him, bro, Ivan is a genius. | ||
| He loves the basic stuff, but then when I try to tell him or show him fancy stuff or I see Muay Thai doing shit like sweep the leg and elbow and stuff or whatever, it's crazy. | ||
| Even this fight week, bro, if you watch the fight, a bunch of times I'm doing this right kick. | ||
| I do this right kick, and then I just step over on my right hand against Gaethje. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I just saw... | ||
| We saw that... | ||
| I practiced that. | ||
| I threw that a bunch of times in other fights. | ||
| But then, like, two weeks before the fight, he sent me a clip on Instagram. | ||
| Like, oh, look at this. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| And was... | ||
| I forget who it was, but the guy... | ||
| The way that guy was right kicking, he set up with a right low kick. | ||
| Next one, right low kick, right overhand. | ||
| And, like, hurt and kills guys. | ||
| But he was, like, downing guys with it. | ||
| And then I was like... | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| We know Justin likes to stay there after kicks to throw. | ||
| So I was like, brother, this is going to work on Justin. | ||
| So we just kind of added it in our game. | ||
| I told him, bro, I think I'm going to throw this in the fight. | ||
| He's like, yeah, let's practice it. | ||
| So Ivan Flores is the man, bro. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| You have an amazing camp. | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| All my coaches are the man, bro. | ||
| You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people. | ||
| But you also, it's the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp... | ||
| is maybe better for some athletes because there's a lot of guys who want to go to like att but you know the guy like i talked to jim miller about this and he said that he really started improving much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching yeah and at the end of the day these big camps you know like even even in vegas bro like i hear everybody going to vegas and training training and and like bro like one of the guys out there was telling me it's like the wild wild west so like how do you get better every day you're going to train | ||
| and just knowing i might fight this guy you know i mean i might i might have to fight this guy you know like i have i have guys my weight some some guys my weight in my in my class and and i told him brother like like i would tell him like if we ever got to the point where we're both in the ufc we're fighting for freaking a lot of money Like, you better sign that damn contract. | ||
| We done kill each other here. | ||
| But you, my brother, you know, we done kill each other and stuff for free. | ||
| You'd be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever. | ||
| But that's different from going to a big gym and like, and actually being worried. | ||
| Like, I'm not worried. | ||
| You know, if we fight, we fight. | ||
| But like some of these guys, you go in there and fighting your life. | ||
| It's like a fight every day of the week. | ||
| And that shit is going to fucking, like, mentally, brother, that is going to beat you down. | ||
| Every day going like, oh my god, I'm fighting for my life here. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Bro, I feel like everybody can call me a liar and whatever, but bro, in the fight, I'm nervous as hell. | ||
| In the back, bro, with the Justin fight, this last one, I was telling people, I was like, what the fuck am I doing here? | ||
| Why am I fighting Justin? | ||
| What the hell are you doing, Max? | ||
| Bro, I'm not even lying. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I'm in the back. | |
| I'm in the back thinking like, what are we doing? | ||
| You told me this is the last time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
What the hell? | |
| It's like, now you're on USC 300. You'd be a million people going to buy this pay-per-view. | ||
| What the hell are you doing? | ||
| As soon as the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that's when it changes. | ||
| It's go time. | ||
| It's like, nah, Max, you can't be fucking working at McDonald's making this much money. | ||
| Let's go get this paper. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know what I mean? | |
| You got to own McDonald's if you're making this much money, brother. | ||
| You don't own shit, so let's go get it. | ||
| Bro, you can own multiple McDonald's with your next one. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| After that fight? | ||
| So that was it, you know? | ||
| So you got to flip the switch and then... | ||
| A lot of my coaches, they didn't know my walkout song was funny because they was like, is he going to do it? | ||
| Because they was waiting for me to walk out to an Israel song, right? | ||
| Come out and people are like, is he going to do it? | ||
| Is he going to do it? | ||
| And then... | ||
| We walked up to Hawaiian Superman, Maui, Hawaiian Superman. | ||
| I loved it, bro. | ||
| I think it was perfect. | ||
| You was out there in the crowd. | ||
| I don't know if you could see it on your screen. | ||
| They made it look like the ocean, bro. | ||
| They made me look like it was the ocean. | ||
| We had to turn in our song so early, bro. | ||
| Usually, I can turn in my song the week of the fight or the week before the fight. | ||
| But Heidi hit us up six weeks out. | ||
| He's like, hey, we need your guys' walkout song now because we're trying to do something. | ||
| And then that was what they did. | ||
| The lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had, they made it go to the song. | ||
| They made mine look like the ocean so it was wavy. | ||
| But then Justin's one was sick because every time the beat hit, the lights on the stuff went up. | ||
| I was like, whoa, that's cool. | ||
| What was Justin's Walkout song? | ||
| I forget, but it was a really good song, bro. | ||
| I liked it. | ||
| It was a really good song. | ||
| Yeah, that's some banger walkout songs, man. | ||
| But Polaton, when that motherfucker walks out... | ||
| I didn't even hear it. | ||
| Is it crazy? | ||
| Bro, he's the scariest motherfucker when he walks out, because he stands there. | ||
| He walks out like this, and then he stands there and draws the bow back and goes... | ||
| And then he throws a couple punches. | ||
| Bro, so you know what is funny? | ||
| I don't know if you ever watched that kid. | ||
| He mimics fights, or fighters. | ||
| He had a kid, so he was at the press conference, bro. | ||
| And the whole fucking press conference, I've seen him, and he's trying the one, two, three. | ||
| One, two, three, bro, the whole time. | ||
| He got busted from a security guard to sit down, but the whole time that I watched him, he was throwing it. | ||
| I was like, bro, that kid is crazy. | ||
| Have you seen Mighty Mouse do everybody? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Mighty Mouse. | ||
| There's a video of Mighty Mouse where they face swap him. | ||
| I called him on. | ||
| I said, why didn't you make mine? | ||
| He's like, oh, bro, I got you. | ||
| I got your next one. | ||
| Yeah, he can do everybody. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he's good. | ||
| But he mimics everyone's style. | ||
| He does Khabib, he does Conor, he does Sohudo, he does everybody. | ||
| Bro, he's a beast, bro. | ||
| Mighty Mouse is the goat. | ||
| He's a man, bro. | ||
| When I say the best martial artist I've ever seen in terms of the expression of martial arts, he's my favorite. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's him. | |
| It's him. | ||
| If you don't have him on top of your... | ||
| Your MMA Rush Mount War, whatever it is. | ||
| Yeah, Mount Rushmore. | ||
| Mount Rushmore, yeah. | ||
| I think of my son when I said Rush. | ||
| Mount Rushmore, but if you don't have him on it, you're just a hater. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be a hater. | ||
| Everybody keeps talking about, like, even that, like, everybody keeps talking about, like, oh, he's only 125. I was like, I've got the walkouts. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Here's Justin. | |
| Khabib! | ||
| Khabib! | ||
| See, see? | ||
| It blinks. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I don't understand those names on them. | |
| What is that? | ||
|
unidentified
|
I had this thing going too. | |
| Oh, so here's... | ||
| Show the Mighty Mouse one, because that's incredible. | ||
| So here's Mighty Mouse pretending to be Cejudo. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Strickland! | |
| So they switch them up. | ||
| Strickland. | ||
| Bro, it looks exactly like him. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
McGregor thought he was good, bro. | |
| Oh my god, it's amazing! | ||
| He does Adesanya too? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You hear Yuri Prohaska talking about going down to 85? | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Yeah, he apparently didn't cut any weight for that fight. | ||
| Yeah, me and him is managed by the same guy, and that's what I heard too. | ||
| He's a wild boy. | ||
| Bro, did you not see that he was outside of UFC 200? | ||
| Yeah, at 4 o'clock in the morning? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, outside of UFC 200 on T-Mobile, yeah. | ||
| And the fans are looking scared as hell to go. | ||
| That dude's real. | ||
| He's so cool, bro. | ||
| He's so cool. | ||
| Bro, did you not see? | ||
| He just freaking won. | ||
| He's the other one that won the 200 bonus, right? | ||
| And then his first post, I'm back home. | ||
| I'm in my hut. | ||
| How are we doing, guys? | ||
| Bro, he actually lives in that hut in the forest. | ||
| Does he really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bro, he works out punching trees. | ||
| Dude's out there throwing front kicks at trees and shit. | ||
| The guy is unreal, bro. | ||
| The guy is unreal, bro. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| Because Rakic was putting it on him, man. | ||
| And he was just melting Rakic. | ||
| They're some big dudes. | ||
| All fight week, when I went to the PI, Rakic was me, Rakic, and Heal. | ||
| And these, bro, these guys are some big guys, bro. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit, you guys are some big dudes. | ||
| Yeah, they're huge. | ||
| And Yuri at 185 would be terrifying. | ||
| He's got such a crazy style, man. | ||
| I mean, there's no one that fights like that guy. | ||
| Like, if you saw his silhouette, you'd be able to tell instantly, that's Pro Haska. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But he does have... | ||
| Hands down, chin forward, you know, the fucking crazy hair. | ||
| Yeah, he's nuts, bro. | ||
| The samurai bun. | ||
| Bro, he's... | ||
| He's just a samurai spirit, bro. | ||
| It's not a facade. | ||
| No, he really thinks that. | ||
| He's a real nice guy. | ||
| You ever talk story to him? | ||
| Yeah, I've talked to him. | ||
| He's so nice. | ||
| He's very quiet. | ||
| His tone is very, yeah, I'm good, brother. | ||
| Bro, he's almost like the guy that you call to go kill somebody for you. | ||
| Hitman, you know? | ||
| He's like, I need Hitman. | ||
| Okay, brother. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that fight was a wild fight, too. | ||
| It's like there's so many fights that got lost. | ||
| The fight, your fight, especially that knockout, was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked Justin up the first part of the fifth round. | ||
| Like, I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again. | ||
| I was like, oh, yeah. | ||
| He had him almost out. | ||
| Yeah, almost hurt him. | ||
| Almost hurt him, but, you know. | ||
| Oh, you hurt him. | ||
| Even when... | ||
| I called my dad, you know, and you're going to love this one. | ||
| But then I went like this, and when I was flooring him, in every round, every time I hurt him, I'd come in, I'd do a little bit, and if it didn't put him down or hurt him more, I just backed off. | ||
| Because everybody's like, why is he not attacking? | ||
| Why is he not attacking? | ||
| I'm like, brother, every time I hurt him, he had the craziest look in his eyes, brother. | ||
| And one time he said, let's get it on. | ||
| So I was okay, you know? | ||
| I was like, nah, I'm okay, brother. | ||
| I'm here. | ||
| I'm going to keep picking you, you know? | ||
| But he did, he did. | ||
| But all jokes inside, he did have the craziest look in his eyes, brother. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I was like, why are you even standing, bro? | ||
| And then I was just thinking, yeah, you're right. | ||
| You're Justin Gaethje. | ||
| You're a freaking highlight, you know? | ||
| Well, he said the wildest shit before the fight. | ||
| He said, I don't make plans after my fights because I don't plan on being alive. | ||
| Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Is this guy human? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| How the hell did he get led into Wakanda? | ||
| It's not a very Wakanda mindset, you know? | ||
| Oh, there's one thing that has come up that I think we probably should talk about. | ||
| And it's the Pajeda Jamal Hill knockout. | ||
| And it's an interesting thing that was brought up. | ||
| And I didn't think anything of it at the time. | ||
| And then I watched it again. | ||
| I was like, hmm, there's kind of a point there. | ||
| And the point is... | ||
| Jamal accidentally hits him low. | ||
| He like kicks him in the hip and Herb Dean comes in to stop it and then Pejera does the super gangster thing. | ||
| But in the meantime Jamal has stopped and relaxed after he threw the kick. | ||
| He gives him a thumbs up like you cool and then Pejera advances and And then Herb is to the left, so it's like he can't even move too much to the left, and all of a sudden he's on him and he hits him with that left hook. | ||
| And I think Jamal's saying, I would have never let him that close to me if it wasn't for that nut shot, and I didn't know exactly what was going on. | ||
| So Herb had stopped it. | ||
| Herb is out of his field of vision. | ||
| Herb is over here. | ||
| So when Herb's doing this, I don't know what he said. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Let's see if we can watch it. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| Because even there, he stands there and kind of like half touch gloves with him, right? | ||
| And Alex is like, you didn't touch gloves to step in, see it. | ||
| And then Alex throws the left hook, right? | ||
| Alex steps on his foot. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Steps on his foot. | ||
| That's the old boxing shirt, brother. | ||
| The old boxing shirt. | ||
| Southpaw and orthodox. | ||
| Yeah, I love that. | ||
| So he steps on his front foot and then hits him with that left hook from hell. | ||
| His left hook is a crazy weapon, man. | ||
| That thing doesn't even look hard. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Tell me not. | ||
| It just looks like... | ||
| Did you not see the jolt that it sent down his body? | ||
| Yeah, you see his eyes roll back. | ||
| He almost did a... | ||
| Was he the one that knocked out Johnny Walker? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He almost did the Johnny Walker. | ||
| His body kind of extended. | ||
| That was kind of crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And it was a glancing blow. | ||
| Glancing, brother. | ||
| And it wasn't even a hook. | ||
| It was like an uppercut hook. | ||
| Yeah, like a shovel hook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a Mexican hook. | ||
| The way he lands it, man. | ||
| He don't give a shit, bro. | ||
| The fight that he got before he fought in the UFC, did you ever see that one? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is the most vicious left hook knockout of all time. | ||
| For real? | ||
| He hits a dude with a high kick, the guy blocks it, he steps, the guy stabs, whack! | ||
| He just cleanly, you know, he's got that long frame, he's so long, and there's all this torque, and he just torques his whole body and whips across. | ||
| It sounds like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon. | ||
| Just whop! | ||
| And the dude just drops face plants. | ||
| How are people just have that kind of power, right? | ||
| His power is crazy. | ||
| He punched the machine. | ||
| The machine I saw! | ||
| 191. How much was your spinning back kick one? | ||
| You kicked it, right? | ||
| I never kicked it with spinning back kick. | ||
| But with a roundhouse kick, I got to 152. That's crazy. | ||
| But the difference between that and 190 with one punch? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Here it is. | ||
| Eclipse. | ||
| Now let's back it up again because let's make the argument. | ||
| Let's see what happens. | ||
| So go all the way to the nut shot. | ||
| So here's the nut shot. | ||
| So now, watch Jamal. | ||
| Jamal stops. | ||
| Watch his legs step. | ||
| His legs lock up. | ||
| He's relaxed. | ||
| He gives a thumbs up. | ||
| We cool? | ||
| We cool? | ||
| And he touches Herb. | ||
| So now they're back at it. | ||
| Yeah, but look at his stance. | ||
| He's ready. | ||
| Yeah, Pajeda has never relaxed. | ||
| So this time has gone on. | ||
| This is a little... | ||
| We're doing it in slow motion, right? | ||
| Let's do it in real speed. | ||
| So here we see this. | ||
| So... | ||
| You know, the fight had restarted. | ||
| The fight had restarted, but would that position have taken place if it wasn't for Jamal relaxing, giving him the thumbs up? | ||
| So, you know, like, not his fight. | ||
| So my fight, the number one thing when I was going with Justin was just be on all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, just fucking max. | ||
| I was just in the back of myself. | ||
| Mentally, physically, you need to be here every fucking second. | ||
| Every millisecond, brother. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| One millisecond off, lights can turn off, Max. | ||
| You need to be on. | ||
| So that was the main thing that I was telling myself the whole fight. | ||
| With that, if I was in a situation, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I would have told Herb Dink, motherfucker, are we going? | ||
| I would have been like, come on. | ||
| I still would have been ready. | ||
| Protect yourself at all times. | ||
| There is a weird millisecond where no one knows what's going on. | ||
| And when Pajeda is still moving forward... | ||
| But Pajeda is in... | ||
| Look at Pajeda. | ||
| He's... | ||
| That millisecond, he's still like... | ||
| He's gonna burn out your ass. | ||
| So watch it again. | ||
| Watch it again. | ||
| So the low kick. | ||
| And then as Jamal... | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Go all the way from the beginning. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| So when Jamal lands the kick... | ||
| He touches him, and then he makes... | ||
| Look at the distance he closes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah. | |
| Look how close he is. | ||
| He closed the distance, but back it up again. | ||
| So you see the distance that Jamal's maintaining initially. | ||
| Then he throws the kick. | ||
| Now watch this. | ||
| They pause. | ||
| Jamal thumbs up. | ||
| But Pajeda's closed the gap now. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Look how close he is. | ||
| He's closed the gap a lot more than Jamal probably would have let him. | ||
| Now, it's a mistake by Jamal, protect yourself at all times. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But also, it does seem like there's a moment of confusion. | ||
| There is, there is. | ||
| Because he does close that distance. | ||
| He does, bro. | ||
| Significantly. | ||
| It's like a double step. | ||
| Watch. | ||
| From here to there. | ||
| He hops into it. | ||
| Yeah, look. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Hop, hop. | ||
| Yeah, and now you're in the danger zone. | ||
| That's fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny Loggins. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Ha! | |
| Highway to the danger zone! | ||
| And so once he does that, that little hop in, he takes advantage of that moment to close the gap. | ||
| The left hook is so clean, bro. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| So he doesn't stop when Herb stops him. | ||
| When he puts Herb off, he closes the gap. | ||
| He closes the distance and then to Herb stop. | ||
| Or during the whole time. | ||
| So watch it. | ||
| It's this, so he touches it, he hops, closes the distance, while Jamal's legs are straight. | ||
| So Jamal gives him the thumbs up, and Pejeda had a double hop in that time. | ||
| And Jamal didn't know. | ||
| Yeah, this is a real moment. | ||
| Now, I'm not making any excuses for Jamal. | ||
| And Jamal can take a loss as good as anybody. | ||
| And after the Paul Craig fight, he's like, I fucked up, you got me, this is it. | ||
| But he's got a point here. | ||
| It's not a perfect point because they had engaged again, but Pajeda had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early. | ||
| But then again, playing devil advocate, nothing but love for Jamal, but fuck, bro, you need to be locked in there. | ||
| Who the fuck cares? | ||
| You're fighting another dangerous man, a man across from you that you know each other. | ||
| You guys land one good shot. | ||
| You guys both can put each other away. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I don't know, bro. | ||
| Because at the end of the day... | ||
| It's a mistake on his part. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, it is. | |
| Because you always have to be ready. | ||
| But with her, like, it sucks, you know? | ||
| Like, how much times do we hear a freaking judge or even a ref screwing up the fight? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's like, you need to, like, anybody, fighters, amateur level, pro level, the best fighters in the world, whatever it is, don't put it in these guys' hands, man. | ||
| I mean, it's easier said than done, but don't leave it, you know? | ||
| Be aware that's a factor. | ||
| Yeah, just be aware, you know? | ||
| Like, you do have a third man in there. | ||
| They are supposed to be looking out for you, but how much time do we see where sometimes that's just not the case? | ||
| Or it's just too early, you know? | ||
| So, at the end of the day... | ||
| Fuck, it sucks, but what are you going to do there? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, all we're going to do is we're going to have this kind of talks and arguments, and he's going to have arguments and stuff, and nothing's going to get changed. | ||
| But here's the question, like, what is the protocol? | ||
| When a referee steps in and says, stop, because there's a low... | ||
| Even with him telling them stop, the protocol should have been like, okay... | ||
| Separate. | ||
| Okay, whatever. | ||
| Go back to the middle. | ||
| Like, you pushed him against the cage, whatever, and we saw you hop... | ||
| Okay, you want me to stop? | ||
| Back up a little bit. | ||
| He needs to go in the middle of them and be like, okay, fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't be like, get stopped and then you move off to the side. | ||
| Okay, fight. | ||
| Fight to here because if what's his name, Jamal couldn't see him. | ||
| I can understand, like, in his peripherals, like, he's just focused, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then maybe stuff says fight, and I'm just focused on you. | ||
| Like, okay, what's going on, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's definitely an argument that if you're going to do that, and you're going to stop the fight momentarily, even if you're going to restart it, you have to understand that the momentum has stopped. | ||
| Things have changed. | ||
| And if one guy does this, and hops in during that time, you kind of... | ||
| Have to step and separate them and then engage. | ||
| So he does, the engage, he goes off to the side. | ||
| But now the argument against that that I've heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says, hold on, the fighter says, I'm fine, and then they let him keep going. | ||
| So, maybe that's a good argument, too, that Jamal should have been more prepared. | ||
| But it seems like he had actually told them to stop, and that's when Jamal did this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Excuse me, Alex did this. | ||
| So, is that... | ||
| What are the rules? | ||
| Yeah, what are the rules? | ||
| Like when the referee says stop, are the fighters allowed to say no, I'm fine, or are they supposed to address the referee and say I'm fine? | ||
| He said time? | ||
| Yeah, he says time, and he puts his hand up, and now where's Herb Dean? | ||
| Herb Dean moves away. | ||
| Jamal does not have eyes on him. | ||
| Yeah, he's looking at him because he's not trying to get cracked. | ||
| But Alex is much closer to him now. | ||
| Yeah, he's much closer, but look at the angle that he takes too. | ||
| Alex is cutting off the cage there, bro. | ||
| You're pushing him to his right to cut off the cage, bro. | ||
| And Herb is right to Jamal's left. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Yeah, it was beautiful. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| That guy's a monster. | ||
| I was telling everybody about that guy when he was in glory. | ||
| I remember. | ||
| When they were saying he was coming over to the UFC, I told DC, I go, dude, get ready for this motherfucker. | ||
| Because this motherfucker puts people into orbit. | ||
| He's got crazy power. | ||
| Wormholes, bro. | ||
| Universe. | ||
| Different universes. | ||
| You wake up on the other side of the galaxy. | ||
| Brother, he might have... | ||
| Actually, you know, since we're talking about Wakanda, he might be like a Doctor Strange guy. | ||
| He might have the ring on, brother. | ||
| Look underneath his glove or something. | ||
| That's what's happening, bro. | ||
| Well, what he is is a real Amazon warrior. | ||
| Like, that's his genius. | ||
| Yeah, you see him, bro. | ||
| You see him go back to his village? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, painted up and stuff like a leopard? | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| Bro, guy's a G, bro. | ||
| He's a G. He's the real deal. | ||
| He's a real deal. | ||
| He's a man. | ||
| How the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question. | ||
| And how much do you think that compromised his chin when he went down 185? | ||
| A lot, bro. | ||
| So the thing is, you know what is crazy? | ||
| Here's the walk. | ||
| Look at his foot. | ||
| Bro, that shit is terrifying. | ||
| Look at his eyes, man. | ||
| And everybody just... | ||
| And he told Jamal, when I make my walk-in, then you'll think about all these things you said. | ||
|
unidentified
|
said yeah he did ha ha And the whole audience yells out, Ha! | |
| with him! | ||
| Look at Jamal though. | ||
| He caught the, did you see the other angle? | ||
| He caught the arrow, he broke it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| That was cool. | ||
| Jamal was telling me, when I talked to him about it, he said he feels like he was winning that fight. | ||
| He said he was implementing his strategy, he landed that one good right hook in the first round, and he felt like he was on his way. | ||
| He felt like he was doing everything he wanted to do, not letting that dude get close, but that thing fucked him up. | ||
| There's a real moment there. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's a sport, right? | |
| That's a sport, right? | ||
| You know what is funny, brother? | ||
| Nothing to Jamal or whatever, but what is crazy is that when I see comments or I see people talking about our fight, And guys are bringing up like, oh yeah, just imagine if Justin didn't break his nose. | ||
| It would have been a whole different fight. | ||
| I'm like, well, thank the Lord I landed my spitting back kick because his nose was broken. | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know what I mean? | |
| Imagine if you didn't knock him out. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah. | |
| Or just imagine if I broke my ankle walking into the freaking octagon. | ||
| There's so much stuff. | ||
| I'm like, people are so crazy. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God, just enjoy it. | ||
| Why can't you guys enjoy it? | ||
| Why can't you guys let other people have stuff? | ||
| Why can't we have nice stuff? | ||
| This is why we can't have good things. | ||
| Again, it's just losers, you know? | ||
| You think Michael Jordan's leaving YouTube comments? | ||
|
unidentified
|
No. | |
| Oh brother, never. | ||
| It's winners don't have time for that shit, but that's also part of the game. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, it is. | |
| You're gonna have to deal with those people. | ||
| It is, it is. | ||
| How anybody can say, imagine if you didn't land something that you landed, that you planned for, that you executed. | ||
| That's very hard to pull off. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah. | |
| A spinning back kick where you literally ride in front of each other like that, and you land into his face. | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| We knew he was going to duck. | ||
| He was looking for a time, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it was perfect. | ||
| It was perfect. | ||
| And it was such a great moment on that night, because that night was magical. | ||
| Bro, UFC 300. My head is still not wrapped around it. | ||
| You know, like how you said, how do I feel? | ||
| I don't know how I feel yet. | ||
| Because it's still not wrapped around it. | ||
| To have that, to... | ||
| To be one of the guys to... | ||
| It started from all the way outside of fight, brother. | ||
| Somebody asked me to get the belt wrapped around Mark Coleman. | ||
| Like, when they asked me who, I think, and then I said Mark Coleman. | ||
| You know, I'm like, bro, he's the guy. | ||
| His house with his fires and stuff just happened. | ||
| So I was like, he's the man. | ||
| And then to it being UFC 300, to us getting asked, oh, what about the... | ||
| How much should the freaking bonuses be? | ||
|
unidentified
|
And I'm freaking screaming, 300K! 300K! 300K! 300k! | |
| And Dustin, and freaking Dana to be like, 300k! | ||
| I was like, holy shit! | ||
| And to win both the bonuses? | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| It was just crazy. | ||
| And then to have the, like you said, bro, that's a movie finish, bro. | ||
| To hit him with an over... | ||
| To hit... | ||
| It was like a David vs. | ||
| Goliath kind of story. | ||
| Going against him. | ||
| To hit him with that overhand is like me hitting him with the slingshot. | ||
| And The Rock at the perfect place, perfect time. | ||
| Bro, this is UFC 300. An event getting put together, this is not going to top nothing until 400. And we don't even know if 400 is going to top it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| It's going to be almost impossible to top that. | ||
| Like, every card after that, you look at the card, you're like, eh, it's okay. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| It's pretty good. | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That card was insane. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| And then a lot of people, and then, bro, Dana White is the, he's the ultimate troll, bro. | ||
| I love, I love Dana White, then when they troll people, when they, you saw the video. | ||
| When he made the video, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, brother, when he saw the video, he's calling out. | ||
| You know how much people on top of that video, too, also did videos of me talking about how I was, like, undergun and pillow all the way, pillow hands all the way, he's gonna get killed. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Amazing. | |
| I'm going to be the first Tony 2.0 or whatever. | ||
| I was like, brother, you guys just watch. | ||
| All their tones change and now they're making money off of me. | ||
| I should go write them all the money and be like, hey, brother, you owe me 10% of YouTube. | ||
| There's all these people that have these takes where they know what's going to happen. | ||
| It's such a stupid thing to do. | ||
| You don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| You can talk about someone's strengths. | ||
| Opinion, yeah. | ||
| You can have an opinion, but when people say stuff like that, I'm like, well, that's crazy. | ||
| It's just dumb. | ||
| It's just dumb. | ||
| You should talk about someone's skills and what they can do, and this could be a factor, and that could be a factor. | ||
| But to say, this is going to happen, that is folly. | ||
| That's a stupid way to look at things. | ||
| There's not a chance in hell that you know when two world-class martial artists fight. | ||
| There's no chance. | ||
| There's no chance you know. | ||
| I saw a lot of people doing that with the fight this past weekend with Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia. | ||
| Everybody was counting out Ryan Garcia. | ||
| So many people. | ||
| Did you see how much he bet himself? | ||
| Two million bucks. | ||
| Can we do that on ourselves? | ||
|
unidentified
|
What the hell? | |
| How much did he win? | ||
| Twelve million. | ||
| So he bet $2 million to win $12 million. | ||
| To win $12 million. | ||
| And he paid $2.1 million in fees. | ||
| So he won $10 million. | ||
| I think he paid $1.5 million in fees because he's three pounds over, right? | ||
| So he paid $1.5 million to Haney because he said $500 every weight, right? | ||
| Every pound. | ||
| And he had to pay the extra $600 or $500 to the commission. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So it was like $2.1 million he had, bro. | ||
| And he bet on himself, he's like, bro, I don't give a shit. | ||
| That's a wild boy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
I got a $2 million bet. | |
| Yeah, good for him. | ||
| That's a wild boy. | ||
| Dude, that left hook he has is a thing of beauty. | ||
| It's fast, bro. | ||
| It's so fast, bro. | ||
| It's so fast. | ||
| It's so fast. | ||
| Bro, and it's so fast and it hits so hard because even... | ||
| Did you see the way Haney, like... | ||
| Not only Haney, but every time he lands it on anybody, they're like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They go, whoa. | ||
| Yeah, they're getting like... | ||
| Shocked. | ||
| It comes at you so much faster than other punches. | ||
| It reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Like, Roy Jones Jr. in his prime barely threw jabs, which is so crazy that a guy would be so fast that he could hit you with a leaping left hook. | ||
| Yeah, because his jab was a leaping left hook. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Crazy. | |
| You ever seen his biceps, the difference? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| His left biceps twice the size of his right bicep. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| He might have been an arm wrestler then. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Who knows? | |
| Roy Jones had the craziest style of all time. | ||
| When he was in his prime, that dude was untouchable. | ||
| Every fight was an execution. | ||
| Bro, crazy. | ||
| Bodyhead bangers, bro. | ||
| He was a... | ||
| He was so fat. | ||
| He was the only guy in CompuBox history that didn't get a single punch landed on him in a round. | ||
| For real? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he fought Vinny Pazienza. | ||
| Didn't get a single punch. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Boom! | |
| Jump left hook in. | ||
| That's all he did. | ||
| And then he just put it on him. | ||
| And then he tried to stop the fight himself. | ||
| He looked at the referee. | ||
| He's like, stop this fight. | ||
| And the referee's like, keep fighting. | ||
| And he's like, all right. | ||
| And he goes like that. | ||
| He does like that. | ||
| And he just tunes him up and KOs him. | ||
| Bro, what a beast, bro. | ||
| What a beast. | ||
| But that left hook is a weapon. | ||
| If you got a left hook like Ryan Garcia, like, my God, that thing's fast. | ||
| Ryan? | ||
| Freaking Pereira? | ||
| How smart is Javante for making him go to 135 and then giving him a weight clause? | ||
| You can't rehydrate more than 10 pounds. | ||
| Who's behind him? | ||
| Who's behind him, brother? | ||
| Money Mayweather. | ||
| That guy is smart, bro. | ||
| That guy is a businessman. | ||
| These guys are businessmen. | ||
| Same thing that Floyd did to Canelo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Same exact thing. | ||
| And you know what's more funny? | ||
| Canelo then played into his game and said, no, you know what? | ||
| We'll come down to this weight. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He didn't ask. | |
| He was going to give them the extra five, but then with a weight clause. | ||
| And he said, oh, what? | ||
| You want to come here? | ||
| You can come here and a weight clause. | ||
| Bro, he's a businessman, bro. | ||
| And you got to respect it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, you have to. | ||
| And for Gervonta, that was perfect. | ||
| Because I would love to see Ryan Garcia, the one that we saw, fully hydrated against Devin Haney, against Gervonta. | ||
| He's a problem. | ||
| He's going to be a problem. | ||
| For everybody. | ||
| He's going to be a problem, bro. | ||
| That speed is bananas. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| You ever seen Shadowbox throw combinations? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah, bro. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Is this sped up? | ||
| How are you so fast? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| He might have one of the fastest left hooks I've ever seen. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, it's right up there with everybody, all the great left hookers of the past. | ||
| The crazy thing is like, bro, he don't even bring it out. | ||
| He just goes from right here. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Like a whip. | ||
| And just kills guys. | ||
| He has so much power from short distance. | ||
| Just nothing. | ||
| Just turns it over. | ||
| And he can hit you with multiple ones in a row. | ||
| He just keeps trolling the folks. | ||
| He doesn't even believe in jabs. | ||
| And the funny thing was the troll job. | ||
| Bro, when he talked about... | ||
| I just saw the interview the other night. | ||
| He did Patrick Bet David. | ||
| Yeah, when he did the... | ||
| He was like, you know that one interview? | ||
| I was like, doing all that stuff. | ||
| People thought I was crazy. | ||
| I was like, bro, I don't give a shit. | ||
| I was like, whoa. | ||
| I was like, wow. | ||
| I was like, this guy, bro, he should be an actor. | ||
| Yeah, he really had a smart strategy. | ||
| Act like he was crazy. | ||
| Act like he was crazy, come in three pounds heavy, and just, bro, he sold it all the way to getting into that, bro. | ||
| I bet him coming in three pounds heavy made the line move more towards Haney. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| Like, this guy's not training. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, he's out of shape. | |
| He didn't prepare. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| He's mentally unstable. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Joke's on you, brother. | ||
| He laughed straight to the back. | ||
| And there was some bad refereeing in that fight, too, because there was two knockdowns. | ||
| Yeah, two drops, and it didn't count. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Real bad. | ||
| Real bad. | ||
| Those were two legitimate knockdowns. | ||
| In a round where he already knocked him down once. | ||
| So he knocked him down three times in that fight. | ||
| Wouldn't that have been like a TKO already? | ||
| I don't know if they had a three knockdown rule. | ||
| It wasn't for the title, right? | ||
| Because Devin gets to keep the title. | ||
| So I think so, it was, yeah, yeah, he keep the title. | ||
| But even if he win, I think so, he would have had the, I mean, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, but fuck that title. | ||
| Like, that's crazy. | ||
| Keeping that title's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Bro, you know what's more crazy? | ||
| There's a post of him being like, yeah, I still got the title. | ||
| I'm like, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of crazy to think, yeah. | ||
| Well, I was just trying to come up with some sort of... | ||
| I mean, he got humiliated. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| I mean, he got humbled. | ||
| It sucks, bro. | ||
| This fight game is wild, bro. | ||
| It's a wild game. | ||
| It's the most craziest game ever, brother. | ||
| Most ruthless game. | ||
| You be on top of the world one day, and we'll fight like that, you're just... | ||
| No one even cares, you know, anymore. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, you could be Ben Askren, you know? | ||
| And boom, one shot, and then that's what everybody remembers. | ||
| He has an amazing career, dominates in Bellator, dominated in one FC, comes over to America, beats Robbie Lawler in a weird one. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah, he slammed him. | ||
| No, he had him in a headlock, and Robbie wasn't out. | ||
| Robbie was defending, and they thought, I don't know who made that call. | ||
| I forget who was the referee, but they thought he was out, and he wasn't out. | ||
| And Robbie's like, what the fuck? | ||
| I wasn't out? | ||
| And they called the fight. | ||
| And then Jorge hit, brother. | ||
| Street Jesus. | ||
| Street Jesus hits him with some fucking nuclear lightning. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| The sprint? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And then turn the angle. | ||
| Like, he cuts angles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that Ben, like, his instincts kick in. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Like, shoot for the takedown. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Runs right at him, and it just goes right into him, man. | ||
| And then he does the freaking three pin. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Tap, tap, tap. | |
| Yeah, he hits him in a couple of three-piece when he's down and then slaps the floor and lays next to him. | ||
| No, it's crazy, bro. | ||
| Yeah, it was wild. | ||
| That was one of the wildest knockouts, too. | ||
| That's another one. | ||
| That's another one, but the consequences are different than yours. | ||
| Yours is different, and it's the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last 10 seconds and that you had planned that out. | ||
| Did your corner know you were planning that out? | ||
| Oh, they know already. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| They know. | ||
| You ask any of them, and then you tell them, like, bro, did you guys think... | ||
| I never told them, but they already know who I am as a fighter. | ||
| I've been with these guys for, like, 15, 16 years of my life. | ||
| Like, half of my life, brother, I've been with these guys. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Actually, I think 14 years. | ||
| I think it's 14. A little bit under half of my life with these guys. | ||
| So they know me. | ||
| Do you have the corner? | ||
| She's in the corner. | ||
| Ryland is hiding because he knows it's happening already. | ||
| My striking coach already knows that it's going to go. | ||
| They know. | ||
| I asked them after. | ||
| They did interviews and they asked them, did you know Max was going to do that? | ||
| He didn't tell us, but we had a feeling that if you went to the last ten seconds, look, look, look, look, look, look right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Right? | |
| He's hiding. - Like, He's hiding under his eyes, brother. | ||
| Look at your guys. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Look at them screaming. | |
| Look at them screaming. | ||
| Bro, you know what is funny? | ||
| That guy, Michael, is like 5'3". | ||
| So he's like holding himself up on them, bro. | ||
| His legs is dangling and he's kicking in the air. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| I wish they had a full screen. | ||
| He's on top of them. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was wild, man. | ||
| And then, shout out to my best friend, Birdie Bird, Jordan Reed in the back, since the news didn't catch it at him. | ||
| They named every corner man except for him in the back. | ||
| So here's a question. | ||
| Jamal Hill loses that fight, and now he's going to fight Khalil Roundtree. | ||
| Bro, don't you think that's a fast turnaround? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a very fast turnaround. | ||
| It's only two months. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's two months, and he's fighting Khalil. | ||
|
unidentified
|
And you're fighting Khalil Roundtree is a savage. | |
| Brother, do you not see the TKO? He fights you like you owe him. | ||
| Yeah, money. | ||
| You owe him a lot of money. | ||
| You do owe him a lot of money. | ||
| That's how he fights you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He fights you like you stole something from him. | ||
| His contract is probably a sure win, so you owe him win money. | ||
| That sidekick that he did to the knee. | ||
| Oh, bro. | ||
| He was jumping into that thing. | ||
| Oh, horrible. | ||
| That's nasty, bro. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| Watch his knee bend backwards. | ||
| Khalil, I remember when Khalil fought Eric Anders. | ||
| He came back from Thailand. | ||
| So he fights Johnny Walker. | ||
| Johnny Walker catches him with an elbow in the clinch. | ||
| And he decides, like, I got to really learn Muay Thai, clinching, elbows. | ||
| He goes to Thailand. | ||
| And then he fights Eric Anders. | ||
| And he comes out looking like a Thai fighter. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Ha! | |
| Leg kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where did he fight? | ||
| I think I watched that fight. | ||
| What fight? | ||
| See if we can find Khalil Roundtree vs. | ||
| Eric Anders. | ||
| I think that was in Vegas. | ||
| I think that was on the Vogue 3 fight. | ||
| I believe it was in Vegas. | ||
| Yeah, I think that was on the Vogue 3 fight. | ||
| Me and DC were like, what happened? | ||
| He was always a very good fighter. | ||
| He was always a very good stand-up fighter, too. | ||
| But he went through this leap. | ||
| In this fight. | ||
| See if you get like early in the fight. | ||
| The leg kicks were insane. | ||
| And it's the way he's moving. | ||
| He's moving like a tie. | ||
|
unidentified
|
This whole thing was just a second. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He was moving like his front leg. | ||
| He's like tapping with the front leg. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Look, his front leg going already. | ||
| I mean, it was very Thai style adapted to MMA, but we were just like, my God, he's looked so much better than we've seen him before. | ||
| There was something about, like, he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches. | ||
| And now, you know, he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got KO'd Right? | ||
| Just got KO'd just two months ago. | ||
| So most people would say, hey, this is too soon. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| A lot of people would say this is too soon. | ||
| But I get it. | ||
| Jamal wants to get back in there. | ||
| He feels like that was a fuck up and he wants to erase it. | ||
| He says he's fine. | ||
| But this is a fucking scary cat, man. | ||
| Yeah, because even with the Jamal Hill incident, right? | ||
| How much shots did he take on the ground? | ||
| Took a few hard ones. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Hard hammer fists. | ||
| It was tough, so whatever. | ||
| It's the left hook that makes his eyes roll back. | ||
| But Khalil's a monster, man. | ||
| Bro, but imagine here, bro. | ||
| Imagine if you're in this situation, right? | ||
| You're in his shoes. | ||
| Like how you said, this guy just got knocked out, bro. | ||
| You go out there, you knock this guy out, guess what you're doing next fight? | ||
| You're fighting for a title. | ||
| You're fighting for a title, brother. | ||
| You are fighting Alex Pereira for a title. | ||
| Can you imagine Khalil and Alex Pereira? | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| It'd just be violence, bro. | ||
| Oh, crazy violence. | ||
| And, you know, Khalil's had moments in his career where he was, like, not totally focused. | ||
| And then he's had moments where he's really focused and you see it like in his endurance in the fight like this fights that he's lost where just like he wasn't really there but then you see him when he's really focused like it's like you got to pay attention to what he's capable of like you could look at a fighter sometimes and you could look at bad fight like some like a good example is Charles Oliveira if you go and watch Charles Oliveira some of his earlier fights it looks like he kind of like folded yeah and then something happened after the birth of his daughter where Charles Oliveira becomes this fucking assassin And | ||
| he just has no quit in him. | ||
| He's just an animal. | ||
| And it's just like, everybody just forgot about that old shit, and like, no, he's the fucking man. | ||
| And they forgot about the Cub Swanson fight. | ||
| They forgot about all these other fights. | ||
| They forgot about the Paul Felder fight. | ||
| They forgot about those fights. | ||
| Like, fuck all that fight. | ||
| What is he capable of when he's on? | ||
| And that's, I think, what you gotta do with Khalil. | ||
| That's why this is a dangerous fight. | ||
| Because Jamal's a bad man, and he's a dangerous dude, and he can knock out anybody, for sure. | ||
| Bro, it's gonna be... | ||
| But so is Khalil. | ||
| He's gonna be violent, bro. | ||
| Jamal gonna have to watch his kneecaps, bro. | ||
| She's gonna have to watch his legs, everything. | ||
| And Khalil is also Southpaw. | ||
| So Jamal standing Southpaw, you know, he likes... | ||
| Ooh, look at that. | ||
| Bro, that was horrific. | ||
| That was horrific. | ||
| I mean, he just sidekicked the shit out of his knee. | ||
| Just blew it apart, man. | ||
| And that's real controversial. | ||
| Because a lot of people are like, man, that ends your career. | ||
|
unidentified
|
But... | |
| It does. | ||
| He's back. | ||
| He's a fucking animal, man. | ||
| I mean, he's so skillful and so intelligent in his stand-up, and it's just like, it's super, super high-level, man. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Bro, look, he tried to truss-kick a guy in his body while he's gone. | |
| Yeah, well, he's done that before. | ||
| He's a body-kick guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I love body-kicking. | ||
| He stands up and body-kicks him. | ||
| In Hawaii, bro, I got into an argument with a ref because one of our fighters body kicked. | ||
| Someone was down. | ||
| And they stopped the fight to give the kid a time. | ||
| And I was like, what are you doing? | ||
| And he's like, you can't body kick on the ground. | ||
| I was like, you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head. | ||
| You can kick him to the body. | ||
| You just can't kick him to the head. | ||
| He's like, no, you can't do that. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| What are you watching? | ||
| You don't know the rules. | ||
| Unless they modified the rules. | ||
| Nah, bro. | ||
| The rules doesn't modify, bro. | ||
| So that's just bad referee. | ||
| Yeah, I almost got a fucking point deducted from one of my boys. | ||
| I was like, bro, I'm so sorry, bro, but that was supposed to be a TKO. Yeah. | ||
| You TKO'd this kid, bro. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| That's just bad referee. | ||
| I really think that the only problem with knees to the head on the ground and kicks to the ground is the cage. | ||
| If there was no cage, no place where you couldn't move and someone could stomp you, all that shit should be on the table. | ||
| Because these are valid techniques. | ||
| If you can knee someone to the head in a clinch, if you could scissor-knee someone like Pajeda did with Michelitis, if you could do that kind of shit, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? | ||
| And you know what it is, bro? | ||
| And if you do do that, you know how much more of this safe area of people's playing with their hand on the ground, hand up? | ||
| You know how much more people want to do that? | ||
| They're going to go all the way to the ground or they're going to fight intelligently? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead of going down and playing that game, bro. | ||
| Having a moment where you're safer because of a rule is never a good thing. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's terrible, bro. | ||
| It changes the whole way you compete. | ||
| You'll do that. | ||
| You'll let a guy have your back and you'll put your hand on the ground because you know his knee's right there. | ||
| When in reality, you got to get out of that spot. | ||
| You can't be there. | ||
|
unidentified
|
For sure! | |
| You're dead! | ||
| Same thing with being in a turtle. | ||
| If you're in a turtle and a guy's like Mark Coleman in Pride can just drop those knees on your head. | ||
| Remember they let him do that in Pride? | ||
| So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head. | ||
| Which is a perfect time to knee them in the head. | ||
| But then even that, because when they do turtle, right? | ||
| So say I'm fighting someone and I see someone turtle. | ||
| It's like half a second of them resting because I'm thinking like, shit, now I got to be smart of where I'm picking this and what I'm doing. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The back of the head rule, 100%. | ||
| But if I can soccer kick you because you're doing that, it's so easy to like, boom, boom, see you down there, I kick you right in your head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, bro. | ||
| And if you know that that's one of the options, you won't stay in that position. | ||
| You'll protect yourself. | ||
| The guy's not going to be turtled. | ||
| Even guys are taking knees down and they're like this on the ground already. | ||
| They know what they're doing. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what you're doing, bro. | ||
| And then if I come in and do something wrong, you get a takedown and you're on top now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why people are so mad at Aljamain when Aljamain won the title from Piotr Jan. | ||
| Piotr hits him with an illegal knee when he's down. | ||
| But that knee should be legal. | ||
| You shouldn't be able to be on your knees in a fight. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Are you able to move? | ||
| If they're not stopping the fight, that means you can move. | ||
| Even with what you said, you pulling at the elbow, the 12-6 elbow, I'm like, brother, I never know why they took it out, right? | ||
| And then you said, I think in one of the interviews a long time ago, you said they took it out because they saw a guy break ice with that, doing that, right? | ||
| Yeah, break bricks on ESPN at 12 in the morning. | ||
| Yeah, guess what? | ||
| That guy can break a brick with a headbutt? | ||
| That guy can break a brick with trying the elbow this way? | ||
| That guy can break a brick with trying the elbow upwards? | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| We can still throw that thing? | ||
| So why are you taking that away from on the ground? | ||
| Big John McCarthy told me that. | ||
| It was just the people at the athletic commissions back in the time. | ||
| Well, you know, Big John had this unenviable role where he had to go to these places and explain to them that there's rules involved in MMA. And then you get morons like, what about this? | ||
| I saw someone do that and break a break. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No 12 to 6 elbows. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's crazy. | |
| It was a dumbass rule. | ||
| And the only loss on Jon Jones' record is because of that. | ||
| And even when I'm on my back, the 12 to 6 follow you, right? | ||
| So I can't go like this from my back? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And then they're like, yeah, but you can't go like this. | ||
| But if you go like this, I'm like, that's the same exact... | ||
| This is the same exact thing as this. | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's so stupid. | |
| At the end, I'm twisting it, you know? | ||
|
unidentified
|
It's so stupid. | |
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Also, it's like, especially this elbow, I don't feel like this elbow is as hard as this elbow. | ||
| No way, bro. | ||
| This is not like... | ||
| Even if I mounted you, right? | ||
| Like, what you got to do? | ||
| You got to, like, crunch your abs to get over here? | ||
| This is like, I'm going... | ||
| My whole shoulder, my whole body is coming into it. | ||
| There's so much more in that one. | ||
| And you can't have a thing where a guy can protect himself by doing that, and then you can't throw that one technique. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| There's a bunch of dumb rules like that, but I think the cage provides this problem for soccer kicks and stomps and knees on the ground. | ||
| Yeah, because you're stuck. | ||
| It's like a wall, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like a wall, right? | ||
| And I understand that, but guess what? | ||
| Don't go to the fucking cage, dog. | ||
| You know the cage is there, brother. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Bro, the cage is my buddy. | ||
| I love the cage. | ||
| Maybe they can have a rule where they say no knees or stomps when a fighter's touching the cage. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be cool. | ||
| But then you can start seeing guys from the middle crawling their ass all the way to the cage now. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| Well, people are always going to try to game. | ||
| Yeah, as soon as you get a damn rule, people are going to game it all the time. | ||
| You know my thought. | ||
| My thought, they should have a basketball court. | ||
| My thoughts is guys should fight in the center of like an open flat place. | ||
| Just like what they do for basketball. | ||
| But just what they do even for grappling matches. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But guys are going to fall over and what's going to happen? | ||
| Well, they don't have multiple matches going on like they do with that. | ||
| Don't have it on a platform. | ||
| Just have it on the ground. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Just have it on the ground. | ||
| Like have guys. | ||
| I mean, you know how wild that would be? | ||
| We're all sitting there in the arena and there's no cage and these dudes just walk out in the center of this big open mat. | ||
| I mean, that'd be crazy. | ||
| Yeah, just have a warning zone. | ||
| It's up for me, though, because I love the cage, bro. | ||
| You would love no cage, too, though. | ||
| I just love the cage for takedown purposes. | ||
| Whenever somebody put me in, like, go to the cage. | ||
| Cage is your friend. | ||
| A lot of guys don't like it because they think you're losing the fight, but, like, ah. | ||
| It is what it is, but no cage would be smart, though, because what you said, I see what you're saying, but so much guys is going to get you to a point and they're going to shoot so low, like the Islams and the Khabibs, that kind of fighting stuff, they're going to shoot so low because you don't have a cage, and it's going to keep driving you to Forever land, you know, until you get hit and then you gotta restart or whatever. | ||
| Maybe, but it might stop a lot of takedowns because it's gonna have a much more realistic scenario. | ||
| Instead of being able to charge up to a guy against a cage, get your hands up against his butt, lift him and take him down where he can't He can't go anywhere. | ||
| His backs against the cage. | ||
| Khabib took so many guys down up against the cage. | ||
| So many guys do that. | ||
| They take guys down off the cage. | ||
| And if you've got a guy who's going to keep moving and push you away and keep moving and then circle out, now you've got to take him down again, it could change the whole dynamic of fighting. | ||
| It could. | ||
| It could. | ||
| Getting up is going to be way harder. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be way harder. | ||
| I love the cage for get-ups. | ||
| I have another thought about that. | ||
| I think if a guy takes you down at the end of the round, you start in that same position from round two. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I'd be pretty gangster. | ||
| Because guys wouldn't be able to, guys wouldn't care. | ||
| You know, some guys just take it off like, whatever, you take me down, I'm only going to stand up anyway. | ||
| Well, you got to think it's a fight, right? | ||
| Or, like, even your rule, like, if you're getting hold down from that last round, then you start from getting hold down, right? | ||
| That's the same rule, right? | ||
| I think, say if a guy takes you down and he's got you mounted and it's the end of the first round, I feel like you start mounted in the second round. | ||
| That sounds crazy. | ||
| It sounds like you should start a fighting show. | ||
| It is a fight, right? | ||
| It's a fight. | ||
| It's not five individual fights. | ||
| So if you have a five-round fight and every fight starts standing up, for a guy like Pajeda, that's a massive advantage. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Especially after, imagine he got taken down and just took his ass beating for one round, you know? | ||
| Now imagine Pejeda fights Jon Jones. | ||
| And they fight Jon Jones for the light heavyweight title at, you know, five rounds. | ||
| Jon takes Pejeda down in the first round. | ||
| And at the end of the round, Jon's got him mounted and Pejeda rides out the bell. | ||
| Well, the round starts, round two, with Jon Jones mounting him. | ||
| Because it's one fight. | ||
| It's not five fights. | ||
| So if you start a new fight, now you're starting standing up again. | ||
| But you're not standing up. | ||
| The fight is still going on. | ||
| Put him back in the same spot. | ||
| Then they'll have to change the whole judging to the whole fight. | ||
| That's how it should be. | ||
| Yeah, it should be. | ||
| I feel like it should be that way. | ||
| Why are we fighting rounds? | ||
| I think Pride had it right. | ||
| Pride had it right. | ||
| They judged the fight as a whole and they judged the end of the fight. | ||
| It was more important. | ||
| Who's winning at the end? | ||
| Just like a schoolyard. | ||
| If you are outboxing a guy and there's no teachers around and then all of a sudden he takes you down and he starts beating your ass and you can't get up and then the teachers come and pull him off, everybody's going to think that guy won the fight. | ||
| They're not going to say yes. | ||
| Yeah, but he's getting his ass. | ||
| We'll be standing up. | ||
| Tom controlled him on the feet for three minutes. | ||
| He only took him down for 30 seconds. | ||
| Nobody gives a shit about that. | ||
| They give a shit about who's winning at the end of the fight. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Bro, that would be... | ||
| I mean, it's kind of cheap. | ||
| It's favoritism my ass that we stand on the feet every time. | ||
| But that's pretty cool, though. | ||
| That would be pretty cool because now you would see guys fight much harder to get up now. | ||
| So if I'm on my ground, I'm on my back, and the round, you see guys like, oh, 30 seconds. | ||
| Well, it's the best. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I just hold on to you for 30 seconds, and now, because I know in my mind, oh, I'm standing up. | ||
| We're going to come out standing. | ||
| But if you tell me 30 seconds, and holy shit, new round, I'm going to start on my back, I need to fucking get up. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I need to create a scramble or something, you know? | ||
| So it's not so indefinite that we start here. | ||
| I think, bro... | ||
| I think it changes the game. | ||
| I think that's pretty cool. | ||
| I like the idea, and what I like the idea about it, because it's much more like a real fight. | ||
| So this is supposed to be the sport of real fighting, right? | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| Like, what works the best? | ||
| That's what MMA is. | ||
| And if you have limited techniques, like you can't use a knee to a downed opponent, you can't do this to a downed opponent, that fucks things up. | ||
| And then if you have the cage where the guy can use the cage, That fucks things up, because a guy can use the cage to take guys down, they can use the cage to stand back up, so the cage becomes a factor. | ||
| And then you have the fact that every round starts standing up. | ||
| So if you busted your ass to take this guy down, you took damage to get a hold of this guy, you take him down the first round, you have 10 seconds to go in the first round, you mount him, you're on top of him, the horn blows. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Now you gotta start standing up again. | ||
| Now you gotta take him down, yeah. | ||
| Imagine if Chell against that Anderson fight, if he could've came back from the ground every time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| It changes it, you know? | ||
| It changes everything. | ||
| I mean, he could've got triangled sooner. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's true, too. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Or he could've finished the guy. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| This is a bunch of what-ifs, but that's crazy. | ||
| It's a bunch of what-ifs, but it's also taken into consideration that it is supposed to be one fight. | ||
| It's not supposed to be five fights. | ||
| To have every fight start in the advantageous position for the striker when he didn't earn a get-up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, after getting it. | ||
| I mean, they already kind of do that, right? | ||
| Like when you're against a cage or something or something happened and they break you, they put you right back into that situation. | ||
| So why would I... Fuck, it sucks for strikers. | ||
| You know, strikers worldwide, I'm sorry, but if this is the way to prove that you're the baddest man alive, sign me up for it, brother, because I'm here for it. | ||
| If you take my ass down and I use a bell to get a SPAC to stand up, that's kind of lame, bro. | ||
| You need to get your ass up. | ||
| You're not considered the baddest man. | ||
| You might not be able to get your ass up in a fight that you would have lost under the current rules. | ||
| Because you might start standing up in the second round and this dude says, alright, fuck this guy. | ||
| I'm not gonna clinch with him now. | ||
| I'm gonna kick his calves. | ||
| I'm gonna move around. | ||
| You need to talk to somebody, right? | ||
| That would be pretty cool. | ||
| Nobody listens to me. | ||
| Maybe USC 400, they do something. | ||
| Bro, I had all sorts of plans. | ||
| They don't listen to me. | ||
| And I wouldn't listen to me either. | ||
| They've got a great business that's real successful. | ||
| You can't make all these changes. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| My other thing that I would say is you got to get rid of weight cutting and you can do it. | ||
| It can be done with hydration tests and you got to give people more options for weight classes. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| They should have an option every 10 pounds minimum. | ||
| Every 10 pounds would be good. | ||
| I think with the weight cutting it would be fun without no weight cutting but then we see guys like other promotions and people are missing the hydration test anyway. | ||
| So like people are still trying to do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whatever you do, they're going to gain it. | ||
| Because somebody always is going to look for the advantage, no matter what it is. | ||
| But there's a way to do it where if you have a big organization like the UFC, think about what they do with drug-free sport now. | ||
| It used to be USADA. They'll find you wherever you are and give you a random drug test. | ||
| Well, why can't they find you and put you on a fucking scale and get a hydration read on you and go, Max, you're 172 pounds. | ||
| You're not 145 pounds, Max. | ||
| You're a 172 pound fighter. | ||
| So you could probably be healthy and fully hydrated at 165. That's probably where you should fight. | ||
| Unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot of weight. | ||
| Like actually lose a lot of weight. | ||
| Like go running every day for 100 miles. | ||
| Don't eat. | ||
| Don't eat. | ||
| It's funny because a lot of people always ask me, or even when I started dating my wife first, she's like, oh, you're that heavy. | ||
| Why did you fight this? | ||
| I'm like, I only do it because everybody else is doing this shit. | ||
| If we don't do it, if I don't do it, then I'll fight a 170er. | ||
| Imagine Maya stepping in there fighting like a George St. Pierre. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Bro, that guy is fucking huge, you know what I mean? | ||
|
unidentified
|
He's pretty big. | |
| Or Kamaru. | ||
| Kamaru, you know what I mean? | ||
| Leon is a big boy, too. | ||
| Leon's huge, yeah. | ||
| So it's like, bro, it's like, everybody just do it because everyone's doing it. | ||
| Exactly, they have to do it. | ||
| But all those guys are 200 pounds. | ||
| All those 170s. | ||
| 200 plus. | ||
| Yeah, they're 200 pounds. | ||
| Great, some of them, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, all those guys, like Hamzat's gigantic. | ||
| Hamzai's not even 170 anymore. | ||
| No. | ||
| I didn't even know how he made 170. You remember? | ||
| Bro, he's big, that's why. | ||
| I wonder if he could have made it when New York pulled his card. | ||
| Because the thing about New York is they've done stuff like that before. | ||
| They wouldn't let you cut the weight when you were supposed to be fighting Khabib. | ||
| An ally of Quinta took your place. | ||
| I'm telling you, bro. | ||
| That was unreal. | ||
| Unfortunate. | ||
| You could have made that weight, though, I bet. | ||
| Bro, 100%, bro. | ||
| But the thing is... | ||
| It was just... | ||
| It was just stupidity, you know? | ||
| It was 10 days. | ||
| I was with somebody doing my nutrition stuff at the end. | ||
| He did a freaking interview. | ||
| He said how much I was. | ||
| I was super heavy. | ||
| And the freaking commission saw it and they fucking was on my ass. | ||
| I was like, bro, if you didn't say shit... | ||
| We would have been fine, you know? | ||
| But that's what happened. | ||
| People open your mouth. | ||
| That's why I love a tight-knit, small team, you know? | ||
| It's like, nothing happens, nothing gets out. | ||
| Anything happens, it's like, motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, you can't say that. | ||
| Especially in New York. | ||
| You could say it in Vegas. | ||
| In New York, yeah. | ||
| Vegas don't give a shit. | ||
| And it was also New York when they just started having fights. | ||
| That's what I was saying. | ||
| New York was stood against MMA. They stood against MMA. And then that happened. | ||
| I remember, bro. | ||
| Fucking guy came in. | ||
| I looked sucked out of my life. | ||
| And they were like, yeah, you're not fighting. | ||
| How heavy were you? | ||
| I was like three pounds off, bro. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| I still think we had three hours left. | ||
| Oh, you could have made it. | ||
| Yeah, it was fine, you know? | ||
| I think Hamzat, they pulled him, I don't know what he was when they pulled him, then he started drinking water, and then he weighted 178, I believe. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, he was way over. | ||
| That's crazy, yeah. | ||
| But, I wasn't excited about that fight. | ||
| Who was he fighting? | ||
| Nate Diaz. | ||
| Oh, Nate? | ||
| Yeah, I was like, that is a... | ||
| Then what happened? | ||
| Who did he fight? | ||
| He fought somebody else, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nate fought Tony Ferguson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he fought Kevin Holland. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Which is also, Kevin Holland was preparing for someone else. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He was preparing for Daniel Rodriguez, who's a striker. | ||
| And then all of a sudden he's fighting this insane wrestler. | ||
| Yeah, and then that's what happened with the fake glove touch and he took him down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hamzat is, who's he fighting next? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Whitaker. | |
| Robert, bro. | ||
| That's right. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Robert, bro. | |
| I'm looking forward to that one. | ||
| If there is someone who can kind of neglect the wrestling, I think it's Whitaker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's Whitaker, bro. | ||
| And then, Komsad is strong, but that Burns fight showed a lot. | ||
| It showed a lot. | ||
| If you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, it's going to be a fun fight. | ||
| And Kamaru Usman fight, because Kamaru was winning the third round. | ||
| And he had 10 days to get ready for that fight. | ||
| And when I tell everybody, like against Akazmat, you know, like with Akazmat, with the wrestling, it's like, if you go pull up his fight, brother, if you go watch the Akazmat fight against Usman, The only time he takes down Usman is when Usman wrestles him back. | ||
| When Usman is like anti-wrestling, fighting his wrist, not letting him connect his hands, no takedowns. | ||
| But as soon as Usman was like, okay, I'm just going to wrestle back, and he starts to grab the stomach and stuff, you get taken down, you get picked down. | ||
| I'm like, brother, like... | ||
| You should've just anti-wrestled this guy. | ||
| He was beating him in the striking too. | ||
| But I think it was also, Kamaru didn't know what his cardio was like. | ||
| He didn't trust his conditioning. | ||
| He just wasn't prepared to go full out. | ||
| And Hamzat knew that, so Hamzat put that grappling pressure on him immediately to try to wear him out. | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| I don't like those 10-day fights, man. | ||
| It's shitty, because no one's going to talk about the 10 days. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Unless you're Tom Aspinall. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| So Tom Aspinall takes it on like 11 days and he knocks out Pavlovich and he becomes the interim title holder. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But then, even with that, they just can say the interim. | ||
| He won the interim. | ||
| They're not even talking about the day. | ||
| Everybody would bring up the 10s. | ||
| Even with the Vogue fight. | ||
| It's like, oh yeah, Vogue is this, Vogue is that. | ||
| But then, oh, he got knocked out from this guy and then he got knocked out again. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, but he got knocked out on 10 days, brother. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| People keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit. | ||
| Well, they forget about that also because if you go back before that second fight with Islam, Volk is considered to be the number one pound-for-pound guy in the world. | ||
| Yeah, and many believe that they thought he won the fight. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I thought he won the first fight. | ||
| I thought it was real close, but I watched it like three or four times. | ||
| I'm like, I think there was like one round where you, I think it's the second round, where it's up in the air. | ||
| You go like... | ||
| But again, at the end of the fight, he's on top of Islam and he's pounding on him. | ||
| Which was just nuts to see. | ||
| Crazy, bro. | ||
| Nuts to see. | ||
| To think a 45er who is going to come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his weight class. | ||
| It was insane, bro. | ||
| He's a legend, bro. | ||
| He's a legend, brother. | ||
| But that's why it sucks to take a 10-day fight and then you get KO'd. | ||
| One of the worst ways to get KO'd. | ||
| And then, bro, I'm in the back. | ||
| I don't know if you guys saw this clip, but I'm in the back. | ||
| And UFC is doing this promo thing, right? | ||
| I think it was before one of the fights, but they're doing the promo when I was warming up and I was watching the fight. | ||
| They did this clip and they're showing all the old clips. | ||
| They show Volk walking out. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| And then the next clip is side by side of him getting knocked out by two guys. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| I was like, damn, this game sucks. | ||
| What a shitty turn of events. | ||
| I was like, oh, look, Volk. | ||
| And then the fucking next two clips is side by side of him. | ||
| His only two is two knockout losses. | ||
| And I'm like, wow, this shit is heartless, bro. | ||
| This game ain't for the week, bro. | ||
| No, it's heartless. | ||
| This game is not for the week. | ||
| It's heartless how quickly your life can turn around if you're a guy like Volk. | ||
| You go from being the man to being dismissed. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| You know? | ||
| To being like, oh, yeah, we don't want to fight, bro. | ||
| Because, like, Ilya didn't want to grant him a rematch. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Ilya didn't want to fight nobody in the top fucking 15, brother. | |
| Well, who does he want to fight? | ||
| Brother. | ||
| Himself. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What the hell is going on, bro? | ||
| This guy, this guy, brother? | ||
| This is the man, bro. | ||
| This is the guy we're dealing with, bro. | ||
| This is the guy we're dealing with. | ||
| So we had a Bible verse off on Twitter. | ||
| Everybody's like saying freaking 10-8 Holloway because the verse I used against him. | ||
| And then he writes, and I don't say nothing. | ||
| That's all I said. | ||
| And he writes like a freaking paragraph, bro, to me. | ||
| Like, I didn't even read it. | ||
| That's how long it was. | ||
| He writes a paragraph to me, brother. | ||
| I didn't read it, and I was just tripping out. | ||
| I was like, it was like an angry girlfriend text, you know? | ||
| Like, my wife don't even text me like that. | ||
| So I was like, I read the first to say, I'm like, I'm not reading this, bro. | ||
| What the hell is going on with you? | ||
|
unidentified
|
You know? | |
| But I don't know what's going on. | ||
| I love that you didn't read it. | ||
| Brother, I don't know what's going on, bro. | ||
| I was like, I read the first to say, and then I saw you at the scroll. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Did I make my wife mad? | ||
| I had to make sure that wasn't her, you know? | ||
| Like, what the hell? | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know who he wants to fight next, but I mean, I guess he feels like he's the champ, he can call the shots. | ||
| But I know that he turned down the Perth one, the 3-0-5, the Volkanovski rematch. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The question is, like, if you're in Volkanovski's corner, let's say this now because we can say it now, right? | ||
| Because we couldn't say it after the first Islam fight, but you take a fight like the Islam fight, you get KO'd. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| Head kick. | ||
| You chill, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You chill for how long? | ||
| At least six months with no stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, maybe you could have... | ||
| No sparring. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, yeah. | |
| And then he could have came back on 300. Yeah. | ||
| He could have headlined 300, bro. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you could have been... | ||
| I would have told the UFC, like, hey, look, bro. | ||
| I did you guys a solid. | ||
| You did me solids very much. | ||
| Let me rest my head. | ||
| Let's save this tutorial, but maybe we're going 300. I feel like the UFC should tell him that, too. | ||
| Yeah, you know? | ||
| If I was a matchmaker, I think I would probably want. | ||
| I think there was. | ||
| I think there was. | ||
| And he wanted it. | ||
| Because then I was telling Tim to them, like, brother, if Eli needs somebody, let me know. | ||
| Tell the UFC to let them know. | ||
| And UFC came back and said, like... | ||
| This crazy mother ever wants to fight. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I think so. | ||
| I think it's him and his team and even with his team, like even with... | ||
| But he's such a property. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But he's so important. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| To risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Makachev. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then like you can mentally... | ||
| And physically say you're ready, right? | ||
| But then something wasn't right. | ||
| This guy's a rugby pair. | ||
| I played him three times. | ||
| And this guy's head is always head first. | ||
| I fought him three times, brother. | ||
| It's accidental. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| But he's like a rugby guy. | ||
| So his head is always coming in. | ||
| Me and him headbutted a couple of times. | ||
| Not big ones, not career changing ones. | ||
| But his head is forward. | ||
| He's a rugby guy. | ||
| He's in that huddle shit, right? | ||
| Tell me why when he fights this fight, he's like being uncharacteristic and like kind of throwing and then going back, you know? | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| It was just a different, you know, I don't want to... | ||
| He was compromised. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not taking nothing away from Ilya. | ||
| Like, it is what it is. | ||
| He fought Voke at a perfect time, but like... | ||
| If somebody can look me in the eyes and be like, bro, that was the same Volk that's been doing this thing at 45, I will call you a deadass liar, brother. | ||
| I'll be like, you're a serial killer because you're a psychopath if you think that's the same man. | ||
| You get compromised by knockouts. | ||
| There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| The question is, how much time do you give yourself to recover and can you get back to 100%? | ||
| I don't think you can get back to 100% from a head kick knockout in a few months. | ||
| No, bro. | ||
| And you have to do some sparring to get ready for it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| And city kickboxing is great, you know what I mean? | ||
| Eugene is a great coach. | ||
| Eugene's a genius. | ||
| And I'm sure Eugene was probably in his ear, you know what I mean, in Tylenol. | ||
| But then, again, it's just... | ||
| Well, he's a dominator. | ||
| He knows how to win. | ||
| But you can't run a race with a bad suspension. | ||
| You've got to let that thing heal up. | ||
| But then, sometimes you're your own enemy. | ||
| He probably wanted that race in his mind, thinking that, I'm going to come back here, I'm going to do this, and this is just going to be forgotten. | ||
| Take out this young buck, dominate my division, I'm still a GOAT. But it just happens. | ||
| Because what if he goes out there and he did get it done? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That would have been amazing, right? | ||
| And we all would have been wrong. | ||
| But then, for head injury rides, like I said earlier in our conversation with Justin, Justin's taking six months off of that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bro, like, six months at least no contact. | ||
| It's chill, but, like, this guy, like, you probably got a good frickin' nice payday for that second Islam fight, even the first Islam fight, you know? | ||
| So, you know, you do favors for UFC. They take care of you, you know? | ||
| At the end of the day, I've been with this company for a real long time, so I know this stuff, so it's like... | ||
| I feel like, selfishly, he should have just rested, bro. | ||
| I feel like you have to protect the champion from your own instincts. | ||
| Not even as a fighter, bro. | ||
| As a person. | ||
| I shared the octagon. | ||
| This guy, I like to call him my freaking arch nemesis. | ||
| People like to make things, but I like him as a person, brother. | ||
| He's a father to beautiful daughters, you know what I mean? | ||
| He got a family. | ||
| So, bro, just take your time off. | ||
| Enjoy. | ||
| Go with them. | ||
| Do that. | ||
| It happens though. | ||
| Sometimes we are our own worst enemies. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And being in his shoes, I couldn't say. | ||
| Because if that happened to me, I would want to be like that. | ||
| Like, fuck this. | ||
| I want to go kill this kid. | ||
| Let me go kill this kid and remind people. | ||
| But you have to have people close to you that can stop that. | ||
| And he does, bro. | ||
| But at the end of the day, maybe he just trumped him. | ||
| Maybe he had a trump card and he was like, look, I listened to you guys before, but trust me, I got this. | ||
| How do you not believe? | ||
| A guy like him, you know? | ||
| He had an iron chin before that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Iron chin. | ||
| Brother, you see the size of his head, brother? | ||
| He takes a shot. | ||
| But the fact that Tapuria put him out with one shot, part of me was like, damn. | ||
| And absolutely, Tapuria is a knockout striker. | ||
| He has beautiful boxing. | ||
| Beautiful form. | ||
| Nice boxing, bro. | ||
| His technique is outstanding. | ||
| His power is tremendous. | ||
| No doubt about it, he can knock anybody out. | ||
| But it's the way it happened and the shying away that we were talking about earlier. | ||
| It was a perfect shot, bro. | ||
| He just hit him. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He did it, yeah. | |
| He put his head down. | ||
| He knew his head was going to be there. | ||
| He put his head down. | ||
| Swing. | ||
| And that's what Tapuya does, bro. | ||
| He swings. | ||
| When he swings, he swings all his might. | ||
| And it's nice technique. | ||
| It's not like wild swinging all his might. | ||
| He's swinging all his might technique-wise, knowing that, analyzing, like, your head is probably going to be here. | ||
| I'm just going to throw the throw. | ||
| The Jai Herbert one was amazing. | ||
| That was one after the head kick. | ||
| He knocked him out in the second round. | ||
| To come back after the head kick. | ||
| And that's 155. He's a small 155. That's not really the weight class for him. | ||
| 45, he's perfect. | ||
| But it's just, I mean, he could fight at 55, too, make no mistake about it, just like you did, go up correctly. | ||
| But Jai Herbert is a long, tall dude. | ||
| Long dude, yeah. | ||
| He's long. | ||
| Long, tall dude. | ||
| I feel like, for a fighter like Alexander Volkanovski, he's like a legacy fighter. | ||
| He's a guy that's like, he's a legend. | ||
| He's one of the most dominant champions in any division. | ||
| For a guy like that, you gotta kind of know the mindset, but don't let him do something. | ||
| Off the wall. | ||
| Off the wall, right? | ||
| Don't take a fight with Makachev on 10 days notice when you haven't been training, you've just been drinking. | ||
| Drinking, yeah. | ||
| And hanging out. | ||
| I know you think you can do it, and maybe you can do it, but you probably- Yeah, shooting, right? | ||
| You're not gonna be 100%. | ||
| And that's the tough thing, you know? | ||
| I hate when he said that and then things happen and then they talk about what's going on. | ||
| It's like, brother, skip the man his due. | ||
| You took the fight. | ||
| You know what you did. | ||
| Why the hell I got to tell you what I was doing this whole time? | ||
| At the end of the day, I'll just be like, well, he was just a better night. | ||
| With a lot of fighters, the most irritating thing... | ||
| There's two things that irritate me about fighters, bro. | ||
| Sore losers and sore winners, bro. | ||
| People that win instead talk like, oh, this, this, and this. | ||
| I'm like, you won the damn fight, so why are you telling us all this shit? | ||
| I hate guys that do that. | ||
| And I hate... | ||
| That's like whenever you see me lose or you see me win, bro, I give nothing but respect to the next guy because I don't know what they've been going through. | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| What kind of obstacles they had to do? | ||
| Because I know the obstacles I had to. | ||
| I'm not going to say shit, but if you want to say stuff, like, even Justin, like, Justin, he's saying, bro, he's finally doing, uh, uh, he's doing all kind of media now, and, bro, he's just saying, Max, a dog, you know? | ||
| Congrats to him, you know? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| We went out there to fight, like, even, even with him, people are trying to be like, oh, you lost your title shot, like, how do you feel? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That's a BMF, brother. | ||
| Justin is wired different. | ||
| We wired different. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| A lot of us fighters, even people tell me, why are you doing this? | ||
| Bro, I'm wired different, bro. | ||
| I want to fight the best guys. | ||
| That's just it. | ||
| I want to fight the best guys in the world. | ||
| If you guys think this is the best guy, why do you think I've been calling DC's fat ass out for so long? | ||
| He's the best guy, brother. | ||
| I didn't fight him. | ||
| And then DC had the audacity fight week to tell me if he made 45, I was like, brother, you make 45, I'm killing you. | ||
| Right now it's a fight. | ||
| But if DC, you try to make 45, I'm going to kill you, brother. | ||
| But right now it's a fair fight because you're so heavy. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He would have to chop both his legs off, but he still wouldn't make 45. Brother, he would have to do so much, but he looked like Mr. Potato Head. | |
| Can you pull your body apart like Mr. Potato Head? | ||
| I think DC could have made 85. I think he could've. | ||
| I think. | ||
| When he was 205, he was never lean. | ||
| Yeah, I think he could've. | ||
| If he really wanted to, but he loved food, bro. | ||
| I know. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He loves food, bro. | |
| Imagine that guy at 85. Good lord. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| That'd be his normal weight class. | ||
| That's his real weight class. | ||
| He'd actually be the height-wise of people at 85ers. | ||
| I mean, there is some tall 85ers, don't get me wrong, but he, bro, him in heavyweight, brother, he's like- I know. | ||
| He gets dwarfed. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Brother, he's dwarfed. | ||
| That's insane that he fought at heavyweight, you know? | ||
| I know, and he won. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He won. | |
| And he knocked out Stipe. | ||
| Stipe. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| The heavyweight that people consider, he knocked him out, bro. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| But then you see in the second fight, he's really not a heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you see in the third fight, it's not right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You can tell, bro. | ||
| He just loves to eat, bro. | ||
| He's a Louisiana boy, bro. | ||
| He loves those little... | ||
| When they make their pots, their crab boils and stuff, bro. | ||
| It's going to be interesting, though, to see someone at 85 that's that caliber of wrestler. | ||
| So if someone who's of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and then gets into the 185-pound division, It has the same kind of punching power. | ||
| Is there anyone that is there? | ||
| Not that weight class. | ||
| Not in the UFC. No. | ||
| There's some real good wrestlers like Johnny Eblen. | ||
| Is Bo Nickel like an Olympic wrestler too or no? | ||
| He's that caliber. | ||
| But Bo Nickel, you know, he'll tell you he's got a lot of work to do. | ||
| He was very upset. | ||
| That was his last fight. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| My brother, you did what you had to do, bro. | ||
| You won. | ||
| But, you know, Cody Bruns is good. | ||
| And he gave him some troubles. | ||
| And he gave him some trouble standing up. | ||
| You know, he's going to have a real hard time with the elite strikers at that weight class if they have good takedown defense. | ||
| But his wrestling is far above and beyond most people in that division. | ||
| Yeah, but that's the beauty of our sport, right? | ||
| That is the beauty of our sport. | ||
| I never did any type of wrestling. | ||
| And I feel like I could wrestle with the best of them in an MMA fight. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm even crazy enough to be like, bro, I'll go wrestle you at a wrestle practice. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| What's the worst you're going to do? | ||
| You're going to ragdoll me? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| That's what you're supposed to do. | ||
| But what happens when you don't? | ||
| And I make it a wrestling and you're like, holy fuck. | ||
| This guy's actually pretty good, you know? | ||
| So at the end of the day, that's why you just got to be great. | ||
| That's why I love MMA, bro. | ||
| And one punch, one kick, one knee, one elbow, one takedown, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like even takedown, like how much time you take someone down, your shoulder land in their stomach, change the whole fight. | ||
| They go, oh, oh, oh, you're breathing hard, brother? | ||
| What's going on there? | ||
| You know, you just, you start laying on guys. | ||
| That's why MMA is beautiful, bro. | ||
| You don't know what is going on. | ||
| You don't know what's going to go on. | ||
| And it's, so many different things can happen. | ||
| How about that Zhang, Wei Li, Yan Xiao Nan fight? | ||
| Oh, crazy, bro. | ||
| We was watching in the back. | ||
| They're good, bro. | ||
| Bro, when Yan Xiaonan decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round, like when the bell rang, and Zhang Weili lets go over, and she's like, what is happening? | ||
| And she goes right back to her corner and they're like, is that legal? | ||
|
unidentified
|
She's out! | |
| She was out cold at the end of the first round. | ||
| I didn't see that part. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Bro, she was out cold. | ||
| Can we see that clip? | ||
| Yeah, out cold. | ||
| I want to see that clip. | ||
|
unidentified
|
That's crazy. | |
| She was out cold. | ||
| But that's insane, right? | ||
| She wouldn't tap. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I just saw a lot of the... | ||
| I didn't see that part, but then I saw the second, maybe the third, running on, and they was battling, bro. | ||
| Oh, they were battling. | ||
| It was a crazy fight, man. | ||
| Yon Chow Non is a beast. | ||
| She's good, man. | ||
| And she's so gangster. | ||
| The fact she wouldn't tap... | ||
| Fully locked in, rear naked choke, goes to sleep. | ||
| These guys are like, I don't dishonor my family, bro. | ||
| They're next level, bro. | ||
| These guys are warriors, bro. | ||
| People don't understand. | ||
| A lot of these out-of-country fighters, bro, they're insane, bro. | ||
| It's insane when you see an outside fight, like an out-of-country fighter quit. | ||
| Because a lot of them don't. | ||
| They come from almost like, you know, like Charleston. | ||
| They come from the slums. | ||
| China, they come from places where it's like... | ||
| You almost get bred into being a fighter, you know? | ||
| Like, this is what you're gonna do. | ||
| This is it, you know? | ||
| Like Shopkot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Shopkot rocked one off. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That dude's a beast. | ||
| Crazy, bro. | ||
| Apparently, he fought that fight with, like, a broken foot or something. | ||
| He had something wrong with him, his last fight. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure. | ||
| With Wonderboy, that's why he took him down, submitted him. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Bro. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that guy, bro. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He's... | ||
| He couldn't strike because he had something wrong with him. | ||
| Even when he fought Neil? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bro, what is his name? | ||
| Jeff Neal. | ||
| Yeah, Jeff Neal, bro. | ||
| Who does that to him? | ||
| Bro, you know how strong you gotta be to do that to Jeff Neal? | ||
| Jeff Neal was 200 pounds that night, they said. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Holy shit. | |
| Jeff Neal's good, too, man. | ||
| He gained 30 pounds, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bro, that guy is weird strong, bro. | ||
| They just... | ||
| I know, it doesn't look it. | ||
|
unidentified
|
No! | |
| No, not at all, but to squeeze someone's neck off like that, bro, standing? | ||
| Standing. | ||
| That's like a... | ||
| One hook in. | ||
| That was like a... | ||
| That was almost like a bully. | ||
| Like a bully show, like, I got you. | ||
| Say uncle, you know? | ||
| Like, that's crazy, bro. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| In my mind, I was looking at it that way. | ||
| Like, that is insane. | ||
| And how you do it to Neo. | ||
| Neo's a tough son of a gun, bro. | ||
| And he punches hard. | ||
| And he landed hard shots. | ||
| And Chaga was like, boom, boom, okay. | ||
| Now I choke you. | ||
| It's a wild time for talent. | ||
| There's so many guys. | ||
| Brother, and you know what is cool? | ||
| It's a wild time for talent, and it's in every weight class. | ||
| You know how certain weight classes are like, ah, yeah, they got this and that, whatever, but it's like in almost every weight class. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| This is the end of the round. | ||
| So Yan Xiaonnan is fully out here. | ||
| Oh, yeah, she's out. | ||
| John Whaley's got, look it, it's a perfect rear naked. | ||
| She's fully out. | ||
| Like, out cold right now. | ||
| Bell rings. | ||
| Let's her go. | ||
| Out cold. | ||
| Lucky she woke up. | ||
| She don't know what the fuck's going on. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Yeah, she was out. | ||
| Out. | ||
| So if you watch the release... | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, she's dead! | |
| She's dead in like 12 seconds! | ||
| Yeah, if you watch the release... | ||
| I mean, that is a fully... | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Seven seconds, she go out. | ||
| Look at the palm placement, too. | ||
| The back of the head. | ||
| I mean, she's doing it perfectly. | ||
| Okay, five seconds. | ||
| Right there, out. | ||
|
unidentified
|
She's out. | |
| Out. | ||
| So look at her hands are completely limp. | ||
| So she's out. | ||
| And the referee puts his hands on her. | ||
| She gets up. | ||
| And she's like, what? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| She literally doesn't know where she's going. | ||
| To the death. | ||
| To the death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Woof! | ||
| Woof! | ||
| Imagine you gotta fight someone like that. | ||
| That's next level, bro. | ||
| That's a BMS. Yeah. | ||
| You know what's wild about the BMF? When somebody asked Dana, Dana was like, oh, what about the BMF? Are you going to make it for girls? | ||
| And Dana was like, the BMF is for whoever. | ||
| I was like, wait, what the fuck? | ||
| I was like, what, Dana? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's like, anybody can fight for the BMF. I was like, Dana. | ||
| Why does that mean? | ||
| You can't be telling me. | ||
| Kayla Harrison is going to try to challenge you for the BMF and let her fight at 55 again. | ||
| You can't be saying that shit, Dana. | ||
| What the hell is going on? | ||
| Yeah, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Don't say that. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Don't say that. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| They might have a female BMF one day. | ||
| I should, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's up there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| John, he's up there. | ||
| But you can't be a motherfucker if you're a girl. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah. | |
| What do you call the BDF? Well, I guess you could if it's a lesbian wins it. | ||
| Oh my god, that's terrible. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. | ||
| I mean, what are we saying? | ||
| I mean, obviously, a motherfucker is a different thing. | ||
| But if you didn't understand our language, and you said, the baddest motherfucker? | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| They'd be looking at you, what is this? | ||
| Right, other countries that have to translate the BMF, they're like, what are they saying? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Bro, I forgot we was fighting for the BMF too, you know? | ||
| When Bruce was... | ||
| I never ever got an N new, brother. | ||
| I don't know if you... | ||
| I think I told you before. | ||
| You never got an N new? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when I won the interim title, it was like, and now! | ||
| So when I beat Pettis, and then when I fought Aldo... | ||
| It was and now. | ||
| Again, I was like, bro, you owe me an and new, so I never ever got the and new. | ||
| I gave Bruce a hard time about it, and then I got my and new now, but I was tripping out when I was going there, and I was in there waiting. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is Bruce taking so long? | ||
| Didn't I just see the knockout? | ||
| Say I want her. | ||
| Get my hand raised, and then he was like, and new, undisputed BMF. I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| I was like, oh, yeah, finally got it. | ||
| But we need an undisputed end news. | ||
| So are you in a holding pattern now? | ||
| How does it work? | ||
| Like in terms of what happens for you in the future? | ||
| We see what happens, man. | ||
| We see what happens. | ||
| I mean, we're... | ||
| So you see what happens in New Jersey. | ||
| Yeah, we see what happens in New Jersey. | ||
| I couldn't tell you, to be honest. | ||
| All I know is Dana White pulled my ass after the fight and be like, brother, things are about to change, so I'm waiting. | ||
| I'm waiting for the change, Dana. | ||
| Let us know. | ||
| We'll be sitting. | ||
| We're waiting right now. | ||
| They gave me like a 30-day no-contact. | ||
| The normal thing that they do after a fight. | ||
| A lot of people don't know that. | ||
| Everybody's like, what does it mean? | ||
| 30 days. | ||
| Are you okay? | ||
| I'm like, brother, this is just regular stuff that we gotta rest after a fight. | ||
| I'm doing that right now. | ||
| Me and Tim, they didn't hit us about anything really. | ||
| Like I said, Ilya writing paragraphs over to us on Twitter. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Can I see what he said? | ||
| I didn't even know what he said. | ||
| I wanna see what he says. | ||
| I don't even think you're gonna read through the whole thing too, bro. | ||
| You might read half of it and just stop reading. | ||
| He's an interesting guy. | ||
| He says he gets drunk the week of the fight, like the night before the weigh-ins. | ||
| I saw that he drinks wine to make weight. | ||
| You get a buzz, you relax. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| If it works, he never missed a lead. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I guess you could do it. | ||
| Look, dehydrating yourself to make weight is horrible for you. | ||
| You're already doing that. | ||
| I don't think wine is going to fuck you up. | ||
| The only thing questionable about me is whether I finish you by KO or submission. | ||
| I just beat the guy that beat you. | ||
| I was doing math. | ||
| Not once, not twice, but three times. | ||
| You now have one thing that keeps you relevant and that would grant you a money fight, the BMF belt. | ||
| I no longer fight for money but for legacy. | ||
| Already? | ||
| He's already fighting for a legacy. | ||
| No longer fighting for money. | ||
| Brother, he got gifted an Ashton Morton or something that I saw. | ||
| Somebody told me. | ||
| Winning that belt while holding my title will cement me as the first. | ||
| The first to hold both belts. | ||
| The first to knock out Volk and what most certainly will happen when we fight. | ||
| The first one to put you to sleep. | ||
| Something to calm you down is this. | ||
| God doesn't shame anyone. | ||
| You will have a worthy defeat against a champion. | ||
| Wow, this is like Roman shit. | ||
| You will have a worthy defeat against a champion who will be remembered for eternity. | ||
| I decide who, when, and where. | ||
| If you don't like the terms, I'm sure Ortega will oblige. | ||
| Well, how are you calling Ortega, right? | ||
| Right now. | ||
| How is Ortega like... | ||
| Even ranked in the... | ||
| He just beat that year, right? | ||
| But he was away for like three years and I even see him calling for a shot. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, one fight against Yair when Yair just lost against Volk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yair is wild. | ||
| I love watching that dude fight. | ||
| Like, that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport. | ||
| Brother, if he... | ||
| They're like jabs. | ||
| Brother, he can... | ||
| There's like a switch, bro. | ||
| If he flips it, he's going to be like way more... | ||
| Like, he's a scary dude already, bro. | ||
| But there's a switch that he just needs to flip it and he's going to start figuring out and like... | ||
| It's gonna be problems, bro. | ||
| A lot of problems. | ||
| Bro, when I fought him- A long way. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| Because when I fought him, I think that was the best Yair that anybody ever saw when we fought in the Apex. | ||
| So there's fighters that I feel like when you go in front of a crowd, they're not fighting to a full capacity. | ||
| And there's some fighters when you fight Apex where it's like in the gym, they're just going to shine. | ||
| Yair is like when we fought there and I hit him with a couple of shots. | ||
| And before, you'd see him get hit a couple of shots in different fights and kind of like weather away and be like, oh yeah, whatever. | ||
| And like, The fight just, you know, kind of like get in there and then almost like gets finished because of the fight's not going his way or whatever, right? | ||
| And I was hitting him with seven shots and I was just thinking in there like, bro, just quit, bro. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Like, why are we making this so much harder, you know? | ||
| You're making this fight so hard. | ||
| I had to take his ass down. | ||
| I was like, what are we doing here, brother? | ||
| Where the hell did this fucking superhero year come out of, you know? | ||
| But, uh... | ||
| Well, you gotta remember, Yair, you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight, right? | ||
| So Yair gets dominated by Frankie Edgar on the ground. | ||
| And then you get Yair 2.0 after that. | ||
| And he's much better at takedown defense, really good at submitting guys off his back. | ||
| It's just like more of these fights. | ||
| And he's still a young guy. | ||
| He's young, bro. | ||
| Yeah, Yair still hasn't reached his potential yet. | ||
| But when it comes to kicks, that dude kicks like nobody else in the sport. | ||
| He's the best kicker in the sport, I think. | ||
| Like I said, bro, nose to nose, brother. | ||
| We're, like, right here? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Pow! | |
| I was like, whoa! | ||
| Bro, there's a clip of me, like, he kicks through my hand. | ||
| I was like, what the... | ||
| I never see him, too. | ||
| I was like, this motherfucker's so fast. | ||
| Bro, he hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick. | ||
| Brother, crazy, yeah. | ||
| Crazy, bro. | ||
| 360 roundhouse kick on a legend. | ||
| Crazy, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bro, I'm telling you, bro. | ||
| Like I said, bro, he's going to be a problem, bro. | ||
| There's one switch that he's going to flip. | ||
| It's going to see, and I'm going to... | ||
| And if you're a guy who likes to stay on the outside and you fight that guy, you gotta change everything. | ||
| His kicks is like jabs, like you said. | ||
| He got kicks, he got spinning shit. | ||
| He got hell elbows, bro. | ||
| He got everything. | ||
| Even when I was fighting him, bro, we knew he was gonna throw that stupid elbow at places, and I get fucking caught by him. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Like, why? | |
| I knew it was coming and it hit me. | ||
| I was like, bro, what is going on? | ||
| This guy is so freaking... | ||
| He's out of the box. | ||
| He's so dynamic. | ||
| He's out of the box, bro. | ||
| And you can't find a guy that's going to spar like him. | ||
| Bro, nobody's wild because nobody's willing to take chances. | ||
| It's good because when we were sparring for him, like I said, we wouldn't really hit guys. | ||
| Look at this guy, bro. | ||
| Josh Emmett. | ||
| And he does that too. | ||
| That left kick and then that right overhand punch. | ||
| Bro, those kicks are coming from everywhere. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| I mean, that left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Josh Emmett's a scary motherfucker, though. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| That knockout of Bryce. | ||
| Oh, Bryce Mitchell. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| That dude, he's got hammers for fists. | ||
| Oh, yeah, bro. | ||
| He's one of those guys, yeah. | ||
| But he's one of them load-up dudes. | ||
| Everything's coming for death. | ||
| Every shot's death. | ||
| It's death. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| My name and Jeremy fought the two hammer dudes, brother. | ||
| When they meet, they collided, you know? | ||
| That was a crazy fight. | ||
| That was a crazy fight. | ||
| Yeah, I saw somebody claim that... | ||
| That's why I talk about Jeremy, because I saw somebody claim that Josh was the hardest-hitting.45, and Jeremy was like, what? | ||
| Someone say something? | ||
| Jeremy's so funny. | ||
| I love that dude, bro. | ||
| Steven's the man, bro. | ||
| He's a bad man. | ||
| Steven's had some crazy knockouts this time. | ||
| Remember Rafael Dos Anjos? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| At 55? | ||
| Yeah, crazy, bro. | ||
| Yeah, Jeremy can crack. | ||
| He's a wild dude. | ||
| It's a crazy sport, man. | ||
| I mean, there's really nothing like it in terms of... | ||
| I mean, I know I'm biased, but... | ||
| But in terms of excitement, in terms of when you want to be entertained, go watch some fights. | ||
| Oh bro, for sure. | ||
| You know it's funny because a lot of people, they can almost put themselves in a fight because we all fought. | ||
| It is in our DNA. We all fought at some point in our life. | ||
| Even if it wasn't like a fight fight, you fought your siblings, you fought your cousin. | ||
| So everybody know that feeling like, oh, this is nuts. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| So you have that feeling in you of fighting. | ||
| To say that you didn't fight your cousin or even your friend, even if it was a little slap fight or whatever and you guys hugged it out after, you fought somebody. | ||
| At some moment in your life. | ||
| And that's what draws it. | ||
| And you can feel the emotion. | ||
| And then when guys get into it, they're like, oh man, I would have did this, do that, do this. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, okay. | ||
| Then you get into a fight. | ||
| You see guys like this. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| What the hell is all this stuff you're talking about? | ||
| Yeah, most people like grossly underestimate their abilities. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| But that's the game, you know? | ||
| And that's why everybody loves it. | ||
| Because it's so entertaining. | ||
| Because it's like, oh my gosh. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But then it's like, almost sometimes some guys are just like, they're supposed to hope in themselves. | ||
| I'm like, brother, don't do that. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Don't be silly. | ||
| You know, like guys calling out Demetrius and then calling out Marimos and then they show that Marimos like rolled up that guy in his jiu-jitsu tournament. | ||
| I'm like, brother. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| And even when we talk about this fake, like, it's like, oh, in a street fight, when everybody's like, in a street fight, like, I'm whatever, 300 pounds, bro, in a street fight, I'll kick you right in the dick. | ||
| The first thing I'm doing, I'm going to kick you right in the baby maker. | ||
| I'm going to gouge your eyes. | ||
| I'll bite your ear off. | ||
| This is a street fight, brother. | ||
| I'll have a gun. | ||
| I'll shoot you. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I'm going to win in a street fight. | ||
| No rules, brother? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| The idea that if you give a guy no rules, all of a sudden it becomes lethal is so ridiculous. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What? | ||
| You're not going to scare me? | ||
| I was real angry when I would talk to karate guys. | ||
| They'd say, your stuff is good for sport, but what we do is for the street. | ||
| I'd be like, what are you talking about? | ||
| That is the dumbest thing you could ever say. | ||
| You're practicing street techniques? | ||
| Is that what you're practicing? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Did you not watch USC 1 Karate Matter? | |
| But there's so many people that just want to... | ||
| That's the beautiful thing about MMA as well and all martial arts is that the training humbles you. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The reality humbles you. | ||
| No, but you know what is the most hilarious ones is when it does it. | ||
| Like, you see these guys troll. | ||
| They come and they get their ass kicked and they're back on. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I still kick your ass. | ||
| That was just one day. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Watch when I start training. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Brother, but that wasn't it. | ||
| The conversation was saying, you could kill me now, you know? | ||
| That's just delusional. | ||
| It's just funny. | ||
| Some guys, they need to do some study on their brains. | ||
| It would be amazing. | ||
| Well, there's so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting, but when they get to a championship level, what I try to explain to people, do you understand the kind of human being that's capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all? | ||
| That's a rare person. | ||
| Yeah, that's insane. | ||
| A lot of things that had to fall into place to make a Max Holloway. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| A lot of things. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But you're just like this peace-loving, easy-going guy, real friendly. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| People get confused. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get confused. | ||
| There's a monster inside their head. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| This was a while back when we was training at our old gym. | ||
| Some guys would come visit my head coach, Ryan Lazar. | ||
| And I'm around wrestlers, so these guys are like... | ||
| You know, wrestler bodies. | ||
| They're just stacked. | ||
| Big, small, whatever. | ||
| And I'm just this little skinny kid. | ||
| This is when I was starting my UFC career. | ||
| I'm this skinny kid. | ||
| If you look at the pictures, like, no chest having ass. | ||
| I look like a dork next to this guy. | ||
| I had some tattoos. | ||
| And then they asked him, oh, he was like, if I told you you had to fight one of these guys, you had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym, who would you fight? | ||
| Who would you choose? | ||
| And then the guy chose me. | ||
| He's like, oh, you chose wrong because that guy would kill you. | ||
| He's like, all these other guys, you might have a chance because they might take you down, hold you down, maybe ground upon you, but that guy is going to just straight kill you in any way you can find. | ||
| So, yeah, looks can be deceiving, brother. | ||
| Like I said, I love harassing DC, but that guy looked like a bag of potatoes, brother. | ||
| And he was a double champ and number one pound for pound in the world, brother. | ||
| It's not looks, right? | ||
| It's a mindset and it's what you got to do. | ||
| Well, Fedor... | ||
| Fedor too, yeah, holy shit. | ||
| Best example of that. | ||
| They always had a muffin top. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Always just stood there, blank faced. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He could probably make 205. Oh yeah, easy. | |
| Easy bro. | ||
| He might be able to make 85. Fedor walked around about 235 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, I think so one time he was like 230, 225. Yeah, fat, fat. | ||
| Never was ripped. | ||
| Never was ripped. | ||
| Fucked everybody up. | ||
| Fucked everybody up. | ||
| Crazy, bro. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Crazy. | |
| And then it was crazy how Dan Hendel did him like that. | ||
| This is late, but for Dan Hendel to do that at any point in their career is insane, bro. | ||
| I know, insane. | ||
| Dan Hendel is a man. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, bro. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| If he was around during the bell, he'd be one of the guys fighting for bell, too, bro. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's a BMF, bro. | ||
| True and true. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| His logo, like how everybody's like, oh, your logo's so good. | ||
| His logo's so good, bro. | ||
| I love Bisping, but bro. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's iconic, bro. | ||
| It's iconic. | ||
| And that knockout of Fedor was iconic, too, because how is he fighting him at heavyweight? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| Why are you fighting Fedor at heavyweight? | ||
| Who the fuck... | ||
| He's on 85, bro. | ||
| And he KOs him. | ||
| What an underpunch, bro. | ||
| Snug out the back door, escaped on the ground, and hit him with an uppercut. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Bro. | |
| Yeah, he was a monster, man. | ||
| Dan Henderson was a bad man. | ||
| Bro, bad man. | ||
| In the early days, I mean, he's a pioneer. | ||
| I mean, that guy was fighting in MMA in the 90s. | ||
| Mother, what 90? | ||
| Because I was born in the one. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Yeah, he was fighting MMA before you were born. | ||
| Brother, crazy. | ||
| And you guys were in the same era. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That's insane, yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Holy, I never looked at it that way. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, man. | |
| Because your era started when you were 20 years old, right? | ||
| And while you're fighting, Dan Henderson was the man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Still fighting, yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And he was fighting before you were even conceived. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Years before you were conceived. | ||
| I wasn't even a thought. | ||
| Not even a thought. | ||
| You were in another dimension waiting. | ||
| Any day now. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| Come on, pops. | ||
| When the hell am I going to win this race? | ||
|
unidentified
|
Let's go. | |
| And now here you are. | ||
| Listen man, it's beautiful for me as a fan of you and as a friend to see this renaissance and to see people just giving you your due. | ||
| That's a thing that happens when a guy loses a couple of fights. | ||
| They sleep on him. | ||
| We were talking about it during the walk. | ||
| I'm like, Max is only 32 years old. | ||
| You have to understand, he's in his prime right now. | ||
| This is a guy who keeps getting better every time we see him. | ||
| And they counted you out, man, and you came up big. | ||
| As big as anybody ever has. | ||
| You had to do something, brother. | ||
| I was just, you know, I shout out to Dana, them, Dana, Hunter. | ||
| Shout out to Sean Shelby, bro. | ||
| Behind the scenes, Sean Shelby know what he did for this fight. | ||
| He's the man, bro. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| Those guys are great. | ||
| Him and Nick are the best. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't, bro. | ||
| Just wrapping your head around, bro, just to have that fight at UFC 300, bro. | ||
| UFC 300 is huge all around. | ||
| You know it's a big card. | ||
| And then to get that finish, like a lot of people are saying it's the movie-type finish against Justin Gaethje, a guy who's supposed to, you said it best, outgun me. | ||
| Too big, too strong. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Was supposed to fucking Tony 2.0 me, whatever the hell that means. | ||
| How much of a favorite was he at fight time? | ||
| Brother, at fight time, he still was 2-1, I believe. | ||
| It was like 2-1. | ||
| I think it opened at like 260. I think so he closed at like 230. I might be wrong. | ||
| Somewhere in that range. | ||
| People told me it was like 2-1. | ||
| I'm just happy, you know. | ||
| A lot of my fans, they don't really get me on the dog. | ||
| So, you know, thank you for rocking with me for many years, you know. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Well, it was the biggest challenge of your career, and it was the best performance. | ||
| I mean, you were on point, man. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you, brother. | |
| The strategy, the movement, everything, that jump, spinning, back kick. | ||
| Because DC kept saying, like, this is a new skill. | ||
| Like, the way he's laying here. | ||
| Yeah, DC's not my friend, bro. | ||
|
unidentified
|
He's not a real friend, bro. | |
| This motherfucker telling me a new skill. | ||
| I've been throwing this from my third UFC fight ever. | ||
| You have, but it was way better now. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's way better now. | ||
| It's like anything, right? | ||
| It's going to get better. | ||
| We kept practicing it, bro. | ||
| Like you said, bro, you know how devastating this kick is. | ||
| That kick can change. | ||
| Even if you land it on the liver, even if it doesn't hurt it, it's going to like longevity. | ||
| I like saying what Teddy Atlas say. | ||
| You know, you put water in the basement, bro. | ||
| If I land that good in your stomach, it doesn't feel nice, brother. | ||
| Even if you look normal, you're hurting. | ||
| And then I touch you there, it's just going to shock your whole body and it's going to hurt, bro. | ||
| It's going to hurt. | ||
| So that spinning back kick, brother, it's just... | ||
| Like I said, the video game, watching you bend the bag, brother, if you could put up that clip, bro, you was bending that bag and I was like... | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| This kick is strong as shit. | ||
| I was just thinking of breaking people's spleens with it. | ||
| That was my best one. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah, bro. | |
| That's me now as an old man, though. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The other one was a younger one, yeah. | ||
| But it's still, I still know how to do it right. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah, look at that bag. | ||
| The thing about old people today, like, that's what's interesting about this Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight. | ||
| Old people today have hormone replacement. | ||
| Hormone replacement's a game changer. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Oh, yeah. | |
| A 57-year-old man today, like Mike Tyson, it's like, that's not a 57-year-old man from 1994. Oh, this is the one, yes. | ||
| Oh, that's the 360. So the idea to explain that was that... | ||
| I forget who used to use that a lot. | ||
| Oh, Kung Lee. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Look at this, bro. | ||
| That's the clip I saw. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| I was like, what the hell is Joe Rogan? | ||
| Joe Rogan's on drugs. | ||
| Bro, look at that. | ||
| Look at your full extension. | ||
| Look at the hip, bro. | ||
| Pause it right when he brought the freaking landing on the bag, bro. | ||
| Look at the full extension, bro. | ||
| You hit some... | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| That's where you get the maximum amount of power. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's maximum amount of power. | ||
| Heel facing them, your head looking at it, and you're landing with your heel. | ||
| And I'm looking over my right shoulder so everything's turned away so I got full extension. | ||
| I'm pushing off the back leg, kicking with the front leg. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| It's crazy power and it's not utilized that much. | ||
| Dennis Seaver used to have a good one. | ||
| Oh, that shit was really good. | ||
| I liked him. | ||
| Yeah, he had a real good one. | ||
| And then, going back to what you were saying, brother, with Mike Tyson, did you see the clips of him moving, bro? | ||
| Yeah, he looks good. | ||
| He's got months to prepare. | ||
| Bro, imagine he go in there and just... | ||
| That would be crazy. | ||
| Clips a guy, bro? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| He's gonna be hell on wheels in the first round, for sure. | ||
| He's gonna be hell on wheels. | ||
| You know, because I don't know how long he can go. | ||
| I don't know what his joints feel like or his back feels like. | ||
| I don't know what's really going on. | ||
| When you're watching clips of a guy hitting the pads. | ||
| Yeah, let's hope he gets something crazy and then he say his back is broken. | ||
| That iconic speech. | ||
| Get another iconic speech from him. | ||
| It's gonna be interesting. | ||
| And it's the only time I could ever remember where I would be interested in watching a 57-year-old man fight a 27-year-old man. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Like you said, like, even, bro, like, because everybody saw him walking around the cane, right? | ||
| He's walking around. | ||
| What if he trolling everybody? | ||
| What if he knew, bro? | ||
| What if he knew something we didn't know? | ||
| What if he's wearing or seeing us all over, you know? | ||
| But even that, bro, they had the new video of him moving. | ||
| I'm like, this is not fair. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| Like, They're going to do everything to him. | ||
| They're going to give him all the hormones, all the recovery, everything. | ||
| They're going to do everything they can to get him ready for that. | ||
| There's a lot of money in this. | ||
| That's a lot of money, bro. | ||
| And it's only an exhibition, right? | ||
| It's not even a real fight, right? | ||
| And they have 16-ounce gloves, and they have to fight two minutes. | ||
| Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 16-ounce. | ||
| If you're Mike Tyson. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| If you're Mike Tyson, you know? | ||
| I mean, even Paul, bro. | ||
| Paul is not a small guy. | ||
| He's big. | ||
| A lot of guys think he's tiny. | ||
| He's a huge boy. | ||
| He's a big dude and he can crack. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| And I always say that people look at him like a guy who is a YouTuber and they're denying his skills. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Not anymore, bro. | ||
| Before, when he first was coming out, that's the way you should look at him. | ||
| But nah, bro. | ||
| He got like love in his corner. | ||
| Like love is his main trainer. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| John Love? | ||
| He's one of Floyd boys. | ||
| That guy, he was like a legit world champion at one point, so he knows the training that he has to be done. | ||
| Before, I was like, yeah, whatever, but when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he's training, getting ready for these guys, he's a businessman too, don't get me wrong, but he's training, bro. | ||
| He's not freaking cutting no corners, bro. | ||
| He got the right guys, he got the right team, training, conditioning, probably eating right, eating good. | ||
| Fighting on his terms, bro? | ||
| What did you think of Anthony Joshua and Francis Ngannou? | ||
| Oh, brother. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| Crazy, right? | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| I thought if Anthony was going to be able to really shock the world, I was like, give him Anthony Joshua first. | ||
| I was thinking that he could have Andy Ruiz. | ||
| Joshua is known for kind of getting caught and he gets rocked. | ||
| So I always thought that Anthony, not Anthony, but... | ||
| Nagano had the opportunity to be like, oh, you can probably strike him. | ||
| You can hurt him. | ||
| You can probably hurt him with a hand. | ||
| Especially because nobody knew anything about Nagano before the Tyson Fury fight. | ||
| Yeah, before the Tyson fight. | ||
| But I think the Tyson fight shook up the world. | ||
| And these guys, even like, what's his name? | ||
| Joshua was saying that there was a gimmick fight. | ||
| And he's the next guy. | ||
| How do you call Nagano a gimmick fight and you fight him next? | ||
| And he trained, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you could tell, bro. | ||
| He was, like, not, like, what he did to Tyson, brother. | ||
| Like, a lot of people, I thought he won, bro. | ||
| When I was watching it, I was like, bro, this guy won. | ||
| I thought he won a decision. | ||
| He won. | ||
| I was like, this guy's about to shake up the whole thing. | ||
| But, of course, it's boxing. | ||
| You know, it is what it is. | ||
| But, yeah, when Francis went out there, he was saying that, like, he was tired, the time, whatever, right? | ||
| Like, the thing. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Yeah. | |
| But Anthony Joshua looks so good. | ||
| He's so good, bro. | ||
| It's just a difference in skill. | ||
| You caught him with that right hand in the first round and rocked him. | ||
| It's just a difference in skill level. | ||
| Anthony Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist. | ||
| And you can see. | ||
| Look to Faint. | ||
| Look to Faint. | ||
| Look what he's doing. | ||
| He's already even dropping his hand, you know? | ||
| He's also shooting that jab to the body and looking for Francis to counter with that left hook. | ||
| Francis leans back and throws that left hook a lot. | ||
| Yeah, he goes like this. | ||
| Yeah, and that's what he caught Tyson Fury with. | ||
| Look, he leaned back there too. | ||
| Look, he stood back. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, it was a big win. | ||
| Bro, this guy is some big dudes. | ||
| Big win for boxing. | ||
| Look how big he is. | ||
| Yeah, big win for boxing. | ||
| Josh was so fast too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's so fast. | ||
| And he matches him strength-wise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is different than Tyson Fury. | ||
| Yeah, strength and speed, you know? | ||
| But much faster. | ||
| Look at that right hand. | ||
| Oh, right over. | ||
| That right hand over the top, he was fucked here. | ||
| Now he gets up. | ||
| He's in real trouble here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And boom! | ||
| I mean, that right hand was... | ||
| He didn't even move, bro. | ||
| He didn't even see it. | ||
| No. | ||
| He did not even see it, brother. | ||
| He was already out here. | ||
| Like, he's... | ||
| Boom! | ||
| But you saw how that set up? | ||
| Because then he was doing the jab to the body, like you said. | ||
| Jab to the body, jab... | ||
| So he just sat down and stuff kind of froze going back like this. | ||
| Got overhand, bro. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Beautiful boxing. | ||
| It was a boxing exhibition, man. | ||
| Beautiful boxing. | ||
| Do you ever think you're going to do any boxing matches? | ||
| I don't know, bro. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| It would be fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say who, you know, but like I said, we got a lot of... | ||
| It's not even worth calling out or doing anything because at the end of the day, I'm with the UFC. Right. | ||
| And if the UFC don't see it making money, they're not going to give it. | ||
| And then all I'm going to be is be one of these dumbasses on the internet calling out stupid fights for no reason. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So at the end of the day, it is what it is. | ||
| Personally, if you ask me, I would love to box, brother. | ||
| I would love to... | ||
| I have some boxing cousins that's coming up in the boxing world right now. | ||
| Even a friend, he just fought on the 20th. | ||
| He just won. | ||
| JJ Benito, he's the man. | ||
| And then my cousin, they're coming up. | ||
| They're fighting. | ||
| My cousin, them. | ||
| And I would love to box. | ||
| When I box with them, it's fun. | ||
| It's having fun. | ||
| I have a great... | ||
| To go in there and actually box someone to see the difference, I would love to see it. | ||
| Do you have, right now, at 32 years old, do you have a timeline for the rest of your career? | ||
| Do you have a thought? | ||
| I don't want to fight until I'm 40, for sure. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you know, I always thought like maybe 35, 36, we kind of look at it. | ||
| It all depends on where I'm at in my career. | ||
| You know, if I'm stood in the top five and, you know, or even championship level, if I'm stood here, I'm doing what I'm doing here. | ||
| At 35, 36, maybe we squeeze out a little bit, but then... | ||
| I tell you every time we talk, I want to retire the game. | ||
| I don't want the game to retire my ass, brother. | ||
| Because how much time we see, not only in our sports, but any sports, the greats, they just don't leave when they're supposed to leave. | ||
| They just kind of like... | ||
| Yeah, they have a great legacy, but it kind of hurts it at the end. | ||
| Even though you can talk about the great stuff that they did, it still kind of hurts them. | ||
| Like, oh, you kind of stayed. | ||
| You overstayed your welcome. | ||
| And that's why I got a bunch of other stuff that I'm trying to get into. | ||
| Like I said, with this new brew drink that you're drinking. | ||
| I'm a co-owner of that. | ||
| The streaming stuff, I know you love gaming. | ||
| I don't know if you've been gaming, but the streaming stuff, I love it now. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And I love playing games because at the end of the day, a lot of these guys that... | ||
| They identify themselves with their sport, and when they retire, they don't have nothing, so they come back anyway because they kind of lose themselves. | ||
| They feel like, oh, this is my identity, so I'm trying to build this stuff so I have another venture, so as soon as we go, I can try and attack this. | ||
| I would love to stream when I'm older, you know, even freaking... | ||
| Podcast or interview or do something. | ||
| These guys need to understand that they need something outside of their sport before they let go. | ||
| Kobe was doing it right. | ||
| Rest in peace to him. | ||
| But he did it right. | ||
| When he was getting rid of surfing, he started doing his podcast. | ||
| He started doing all kinds of other stuff. | ||
| He started getting more in hand with his daughter's basketball. | ||
| He was doing stuff to make himself forget about what he did. | ||
| And he was focusing on other stuff to make himself great in another way. | ||
| So... | ||
| That's the main thing. | ||
| As long as I can compete at an elite level, I don't want to be this guy that's just hanging on and everybody's like, oh man, it would sadden me the day that I'm fucking walking out to a fight and Joe Rogan would be like, yeah, Max did this, this, and this, but he's a little bit older now, I'd be fucking... | ||
| I'd be distraught. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'd be like, what the fuck? | ||
| I don't want fucking Joe Rogan talking my ass walking out of the fight like that, you know? | ||
| Retire on top, man. | ||
| Retire on top. | ||
| Listen, brother, it's been an amazing time as a person who loves the sport to watch you rise. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| It's been incredible. | ||
| To have seen you fight from the very first. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you were 20 years old, it's been incredible, man. | ||
| And just congratulations on the greatest knockout of all time. | ||
|
unidentified
|
Thank you, brother. | |
| Epic performance. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| And I can't wait to see you in there again. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Tell everybody how they can watch your streams, where they can find you, social media, all that shit. | ||
| Brother... | ||
| Instagram, Twitter, or X now, at BlessMMA. | ||
| And then we stream kick.com backslash Max Holloway. | ||
| We stream Gambo. | ||
| We stream first-person shooters. | ||
| I'm an Apex legend shooter, so come see me if you want to play. | ||
| Come see him. | ||
| Alright, beautiful. | ||
| Thank you, brother. |
Export Selection