Jim Norton and Joe Rogan dissect NYC’s Hasidic tunnel dwellers, a COVID-era conspiracy theory, and the rise of AI-driven "messaging" culture, critiquing performative personas like Sam Kinison’s rockstar decline. Norton admits avoiding acting due to discomfort, praising Lucky Louie’s raw writing but lamenting HBO’s cancellation over backlash. His martial arts training—jujitsu, Muay Thai, and a foot injury pause—contrasts with Rogan’s carnivore diet success stories and skepticism of UFO claims. Norton links weight struggles to dopamine-driven habits, joking about Whole30 monotony and his wife’s fashion critiques, before promoting their live tour amid shared media success. [Automatically generated summary]
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day speaking of cold new york how about these fucking jewish folks What, the tunnel they were making under?
I heard that they hired people to build this tunnel, and they were hanging out, and the people would live there for three weeks, these migrant workers, were just digging this tunnel, and they stayed there for three weeks.
I just know that there's tunnels and that there's this one video of this guy coming out of the sewer, so he lifts a manhole cover, comes out of the sewer, and then he's fucking wandering around, this Hasidic Jewish guy, and everybody's like, what the fuck are you doing down there?
The best I've gotten is that they started making them during COVID, but that, like, it makes sense, but you see the tunnels, you're like, no way, that's not, you didn't do that in two years or a year or six months or whatever it was.
Yeah, you don't think of that when you move into an apartment building that some asshole might build a tunnel underneath and collapse the fucking, collapse the building on you.
These assholes are building a sinkhole under my house.
Yeah, I don't, uh, but it's funny how like things are so crazy like you read about something like that and it doesn't even stand out that much Like we talk about it now and then tomorrow be some other weird shit, right?
If you're a guy who marries her and you think you're going to rescue her and pull her out of there and she's making $57 million, you have to just accept that's her job.
Well, Christine was asking us questions about being married and about Nikki, and I was like, I'm very comfortable with it, and it's like, it's almost like on stage, if you're okay with it, people are okay with it.
Openly about all your quirks and whatever it's prostitutes or drugs or any of the things you ever did you just would spill it out there and Nobody judged you everybody loved you.
It wasn't like you know all this guy has been pissed on what a piece of shit It was like it was funny.
It was like that's Norton.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's like but but it's because you are who you are you and you're not pretending People don't like when people are bullshitting them.
They don't like newscasters.
They don't trust them.
When you find a newscaster with a dead guy in his fucking jacuzzi, like, oh.
It's never a surprise, either, because when people try to be perfect, like, for me, it's like, my imperfections is kind of what I talked about on stage.
I learned that really early on.
Like, in 1990, 91, I would do jokes, and, like, guys like Bob Levy, who I loved, and Florentine would laugh when I would kind of make fun of myself.
So it kind of tipped me, like, yeah, talking about your real life If that makes the comics laugh, there's something to that.
Like, that was kind of how I started going down that road.
And with the sexual shit, I mean, I've been sexually active since I was a kid.
Like, you know, stuff that is dark and whatever, it is what it is, so I just made fun of it.
And I talked about it.
The amount of emails I get from guys who either like trans women but don't talk about it or the guys who had sex with other boys when they were kids and don't talk about it.
And they're like, hey, it made me feel more comfortable.
That always makes me glad I talked about it.
Besides the fact that I want people to laugh.
I might have to lecture people.
I just want people to think it's funny but hopefully relate.
You said to me years ago, you said, you know, whoever you date, we love you.
Like, Bob Kelly and you are two guys, I remember saying that to me years ago.
And, like, stuff like that sticks with you because you remember, like, your friends love you.
But, you know, again, our generation, am I going to be judged?
Am I going to be...
Hated.
And the amount of guys that write to me privately that don't talk about things.
Like how many people in public life do you see dating trans women?
There's a lot of them, but they just don't talk about it.
And it's like you're allowed to have privacy and your own sexuality and your own feelings.
That's all private.
But to deny that you like a group of people is bizarre to me.
Like, if you're a guy and you like black women, and you never talk about liking black women, or if you like tall guys and you don't talk about liking tall...
No, and once in a while it would get like, but even if I was in New York, we still would have been doing it remotely.
Like, they wouldn't let us in the building.
Nobody was broadcasting from Sirius.
But it was like, it was so bizarre to never have lived with anybody, and now I'm in Canada, With my fiance and we're together every day and they were fucking worse in Canada than the US like they were way stricter curfews at eight o'clock everything closed So it was just kind of we're stuck in the house together and are we gonna make it or are we not a good couple?
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So that kind of told me we were okay What a fucking weird time.
Those are people that are taking advantage of this movement, this cultural zeitgeist.
Because there's always people that are just going to be assholes.
They're just going to be assholes, no matter what.
And they'll look for a thing that they can get behind that's like an undeniably righteous issue, and then that gives them an excuse to be an asshole to anyone who opposes it.
It's just there's pathways that are very clearly carved and people see them and choose them because they know it's a quick jump to more success than they deserve.
Everyone knows the business is kind of fake, but there's so many fake allies and people who just, again, they throw out these great messages publicly, but it's all bullshit and they're not truly allies.
I honestly don't think that the comedy business, I don't think we should think of ourselves as the business.
I just think this is just a super duper challenging time for people to get their bearings and figure out what is actually going on in the world.
There's so much information coming at everybody from every angle.
And it's overwhelming, whether it's the Jews that are in the basement, or what are the other stories I sent you?
The guy inject himself with fucking bacteria they found in the permafrost.
It's like every day, AI's doing this, and they're worried about sentient AI. There's a new George Carlin special that somebody made pure with AI. It sounds like George Carlin.
It's George Carlin's voice.
It's just different AI written jokes and you're like this is wild.
Maybe computers are already self-aware and they've like secretly decided to fuck us through algorithms and social media.
Like that wouldn't surprise me either and I never believe in conspiracies, but that one is like we've gotten so ugly and And so tribal in the last 10 years.
Because it disparages the idea that people lie, which they certainly do, and that people Do things that conspire together to make money and they bend the rules and they twist what you're supposed to be doing and not doing.
Well, it's so hard to like when you catch your I try not to let myself get caught up and angry at things that aren't meant for me Like I get how people do it like on Twitter I'll read something and somebody will say something I all I want to do is attack them like you fucking stupid But I'm like they're not talking to you.
You don't follow them who gives a shit what they're saying Like I catch myself wanting to respond angrily all the time I've just kind of trained myself not to do it because it doesn't make me happy to do it It makes me miserable when I do it Yeah, and it's not effective.
Well, it's also we're used to dealing with the people that we know and the reality of doing something, even if it's just people that you just met, it's a small number.
It's a relatively small number of people we're used to as human beings dealing with.
But if you're connecting online, the reality is you're connecting with an impossible number, an absolutely impossible number of potential individuals that you can interact with.
There's no way you can interact with all of them.
There's not enough time in the world.
And then on top of that, It's probably a high number of mentally ill people, at least mildly mentally ill, who are obsessed with arguing with people online, and you're interacting with those people.
No, and again, you don't know if you're dealing with just, like, I've gotten, there's people who will consistently email me, and I notice that their emails always come in late, and it's like, are they just getting drunk and angry?
Do they work the night shift?
I don't know where they're from, but it's like, why does this person fixate on talking to me?
People get so stuffy about what art is, and stuffy about performance art, that they could never imagine that Andrew Dice Clay is doing some of the most interesting performance art.
He's doing it for no audience.
He's doing it entirely for himself, and he just posts it.
He's had other people do them and I said I wanted to do one and like tag him in it but I just I get too embarrassed like he doesn't give a fuck like you've been out with him though like he really is like that like he's unafraid of Looking bad in front of people.
Yeah, he doesn't mind making a fool of himself like that's what makes him so funny is It's his ability to do that.
And I always tell people that I go, well, one of the things that when I realized he was very different was the day the laughter died.
This guy put out in the prime of his career.
You have to understand what it's like, first of all, for someone to go from being a comic and hustling and trying to make it like everybody else, to all of a sudden you're on Rodney Dangerfield's HBO show, which blew him up, to all of a sudden he gets his one hour HBO special, which blew him up, and then this guy's selling out Madison Square Garden and decides at the same time to stop in at Dangerfield's unannounced and record an album with no material.
Yeah, I've done that before too, where there was even times they would have you go up there, and if nobody was in the place, they wouldn't let you leave until your spot was over for that exact reason.
If somebody came in, I've been on there with two people before.
Like a little bit of success, I'm like, what am I going to do that's going to fuck this up where they're going to realize I don't deserve this success and take it.
And he just didn't care.
This is what he wanted to do and this is what he went and did.
Like, his people dismissed him because of a lot of the language and the jokes, but he is very underrated with his commitment to doing something different.
Yeah, there's bits people like, but no, like, and he had like a rock star fucking, like, it's like Welcome to the Jungle effect on people, which I can't think of any other stand-up that's ever had that.
It's the funny part of Dice to me, besides the jokes, is the fact that when you're with him, he likes wearing giant comfy hoodies and he always gets a sore throat and he's got to put a little honey in it.
And he's like my aunt.
People have no idea.
We used to go on the road, and I'd be like, ah, it's gonna be nothing but pussy!
And then we're in the hotel, and he's like, ah, my throat's bothering me.
And he would have Kenny put the fucking pillow over his ass and straddle him on the bed and massage him.
And I had to just sit there and watch him get a back rub.
I was hoping we'd go out and get laid.
But he would always put the fucking, the pillow over his ass so there was no contact.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, have Club Soda Kenny or Happy Face massage him.
But I've said this before, too.
I love him.
Like, he really, he changed my life.
And I was just, you know, again, 1997, he took me on the road, and it just built my confidence, and it did so much for me at that part of my career.
When I used to talk to him at the comic store, a part of my brain was always like, I can't even believe I'm really talking to Dice Clay.
This is so strange.
Because out of those guys from that era, the only guys that I really left are like Dom Herrera, of course, who I was always friends with, but Kinnison.
I'm trying to get as many people as I can not to get married.
I promise never to get married.
I've been married and I'm just trying to help.
So here's never been married?
You've never been married?
What's your name?
Michael?
Well, Michael, if you ever think about getting married, if you ever think you've met the right woman, you want to settle down, change your life, can you do me a favor, Mike?
Remember this face.
Because if you get married, Mike, that's going to be your fucking face every day.
Yeah, I find that when I see good looking people on stage, if I think someone is naturally, that's how that person dresses.
But like you said, if it feels genuine, if it doesn't feel genuine, if I feel like someone is trying to sexy it up on stage, male or female, I don't like it.
You get something different than you're getting funny.
You're not getting funny out of that.
You're getting something different, and now you might add funny to it, but it might be taking away from funny with this extra effort that you've put into looking hot.
Yeah, and again, I can only look at my own self-image, and it's like I've never thought of myself that way, so it's never been tempting for me.
So maybe if it was tempting, or if I had like half a fuckability, I might want to do that, but it's never been how I saw myself, so it's never been tempting to even think that way.
Well, it used to be also that a lot of people would dress that way, because what they were really trying to do is get a sitcom.
That was the big thing, right?
It was like if you dress sexy on stage or you dress hot or attractive on stage, it was what you were trying to do is they're trying to convey your comedy success into the big prize, which is you could be Seinfeld or you could be Roseanne.
Especially what you and I do because we mostly just talk, right?
So you and I mostly just talk on podcasts or on radio shows.
So we go, oh, it was done.
It's like our thing is so different than the thing of this manufactured image that you're putting in television shows and the kind of people you're hired for entertainment news and all that kind of shit.
Like this is a different kind of business that they're in than us.
I did commentary for the UFC. I've done all these things.
But the UFC is the most freeing because it's really just something that I love and I just get to describe it and talk about it.
But the other ones, they're just jobs.
Even a sitcom, as fun as it is, it's amazing to be able to work with cool and talented people, but...
You're working for a network.
You're working for the production company.
You're engaged in some weird politics to make sure you get favorable placings in the lineup on Tuesday night or Thursday night, hopefully Thursday, maybe after Seinfeld if you're lucky.
There was this weird aspect to creating these shows.
You're dealing with executives that would give you notes that made no sense.
They have creative input and they're not particularly creative.
It's a job.
And it's different than what we do.
Whether it's do your stand-up or through podcasts, you're so free.
You can kind of talk about anything.
Imagine if there was no show like Opie and Anthony.
And you came to them and you said, I have this thing I want to talk about.
Like, again, radio embraced doing what you want to do and talking.
Slow news days were the thing, that's where your personal life comes out.
When you have a four or five hour radio show and it's a slow news day and there's nothing to hit on, everyone just starts spilling their guts because you have to talk.
And that's where a lot of that stuff came out, slow news days.
It's the time involved in doing something like this.
You can't do everything.
You know, I would love to do everything.
If I had multiple different lives that I could live simultaneously, I'd have a ton of different careers, because I'm fascinated by a lot of different things.
But you don't have that much time in the world.
And if you want to act, acting is like 16 hour days, multiple days in a row.
So then it became MTV, and a bunch of different things came along, and, like, you could be on remote control and MTV, like some people were, or you could be on this show or that show.
It's like...
Then it started to broaden.
I would have never thought that as it...
Continues to go as wide as it is today that sitcoms will all but vanish.
Yeah, never would have I guess because the idea like again anytime these people touch things anytime the business Becomes too involved in something they they neuter it and they make it on.
It's just not funny anymore They have laugh tracks.
So did the writing didn't have to be that good, right?
You know the laugh tracks are what really killed it like because the writing could be weak But the laugh was the same so the writing didn't have to be good.
Whereas live TV if it wasn't good, you knew it wasn't good Yeah, there's shows that they do where you can watch clips online that are without the laugh track before the laugh track was added to it, and it's horrendous!
That was one of the fun things they did on news radio.
We would do a take, and then they would take a break, and the writers would convey, and then the warm-up guy would talk to the crowd, and then the writers would come up with another line.
And then we'd bang it out right there, and try another line, and then do like three or four different takes.
And the audience started to get ready for the different joke at the end.
And there was like three or four different ones, and they'd pick one.
But it was like the pressure of that moment was what created some of the best ideas, for whatever reason.
There's something about it where you feel like, hey, we all know I'm lying right now.
It just doesn't feel right.
And the crowd is much more appreciative when they know you're giving them something different.
But yeah, I feel terrible doing this like some guys when they do a stand-up special like I've never done a Retake of a joke and again not that I don't think any of them needed it But it's just like I'm too embarrassed to do the same joke twice to the audience I would rather like I dropped my closing joke on a special because I fucking tripped on it like an idiot And I just I couldn't go back and redo it.
I'm like I just have to close with something else.
Well, the sitcom thing is also, it's not really stand-up.
It's very different, right?
So you're just trying to interact with these people the best way possible to get the story through and get the laughs.
And the audience is aware of that.
So they're in on this process that they normally never get to see.
Whereas stand-up, you always see where the stand-up's on stage and, you know, they're telling the joke and the audience is laughing.
But with a sitcom, you never get to see how the sausage is made.
So these are the people in the audience.
The cameras are moving around.
So it's an experience on top of just you're watching the show, but you're there live.
You're watching it be created.
So you're also watching someone fumble through their lines and start laughing.
That would happen, or we would crack.
I used to do scenes with Andy Dick, and he's so funny.
I would always break.
We'd be in the middle of the fucking thing.
And then we'd take two and I'd pinch myself or slap myself or do something to try to be more serious and get through it.
But there's that too that the audience is seeing.
So if they see you retake a scene, but at least you're adding new lines, so now it doesn't feel like they're burdened by seeing the same thing over again.
Now it's like, oh wow, this is how they do it.
So sometimes they just come up with new stuff on the fly.
It's also weird when I don't look at the audience.
Like, as a stand-up, you want to just look at the crowd.
But if we were shooting something on the side stage, and the crowd would just watch it on a monitor, or even if I do Gutfeld on Fox, and I'm usually sitting next to Greg where I see the audience, but once in a while, if I sit in the seat where the audience is here, it's so hard to just live in this environment without just turning and looking at the crowd.
I hate not seeing the crowd.
And with other guys, it doesn't bother, but it drives me crazy to not be looking directly at the audience.
The writing, though, like, they didn't really, I'm sure they fucked with him where I didn't see it, but we would run through the rehearsals, and it always seemed to pretty much, we would kind of shoot what I thought we were going to shoot.
I just, the critics, there was one critic who, like, weeks into the series went after it, and Louie always thought, like, that was one of the things that sunk us.
So, you know, it is what it is, I mean, but it was, that was one of the ones I looked back on and go, fuck, I wish that had been good for a season two.
Brian Redband's dad worked in this office and this lady was always trying to get him to skydive with him and then one day he goes in the office and she's not there.
And if you talk to psychologists that really understand the human mind, there's like a thing that these, this is like the theory, that some of these people that do this kind of stuff, like look at that, look how insane that is.
They don't feel normal.
So in order to feel something, they really have to do that.
They really have to do something that would be absolutely paralyzingly terrifying to you or me.
Porn or set like you I mean like it took so long or so many different things to just get to that feeling like I'm starting to feel high from this I'm starting to feel yeah like baseline normal is a good way to put that it's a good way to put like one of the conversations that I We were having the other day in the green room was how fun it is to be able to talk to people that you just want to have fun with Just like comics you could say anything to them.
Everyone's laughing.
Everyone's shit on everybody We're all cracking up and it's all with love And that's our baseline normal.
So if you get the people that are used to what we have as baseline normal and you put them in some stuffy office environment, It's going to be a real problem for us.
We're going to feel super constrained and we're going to feel like shit.
So yeah, people see that sometimes they don't understand that we really do love each other like we're just being dicks because that's what makes us laugh Yeah, and it's also the way we feed off each other We spar and it gets everybody better too like when someone shits on you with a really good zinger You know, oh you get home.
You're like god damn.
He got me good one Yeah, how did I fuck I gotta I gotta write better lines.
I gotta come up with some better lines I gotta come up with some more funny things to say about him Let me think what's fucked up about the way he dresses, the way he talks, and you know what annoys me about you?
And then you're going out, and they're both smiling.
Like, we'll be at the cellar sometimes, and I'll say something that I think makes sense.
And he'll go, what are you, my fucking aunt?
And I'm like, oh, God, he's right.
Like, it was an aunt thing that I said, and you can either get annoyed at it, Or you can just acknowledge, like, wow, that really was kind of a douchey old lady thing I just said, and just take it.
He was going to, I think, murder Sonia Sotomayor, I think her name is, the Supreme Court Justice, and they said he might have killed somebody else in L.A. They don't know.
But yeah, he was going to shoot her, and her son answered the door.
You know, I don't know, because it was years later, and it was also, he had this thing with women.
Like, I originally, we were going to interview him because he was suing Colombia because of their guys' studies, or women's studies, sorry.
And so I was like, look, I don't like anything that's progressive and exclusive by nature.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, hey, how come they're not doing guys' studies?
So I'm like, let's see what...
But then it became apparent he just sues women.
So then we started to make fun of him.
Because it wasn't the principle of Columbia doing this.
It was like, you just have a fucking hard-on and want to sue women.
So then we kind of made fun of him.
And it got ugly and I was just being a dick like I was on the air.
I think he had so many of these problems, and it was much more about women than anything I said to him.
My humiliation of him was years earlier, but I do think I humiliated him, and he really wanted to.
My attorney at the time, his name was Tom Ferber, he was a great lawyer, and my law firm hated him so much, they retroactively knocked down what they were charging me.
They go, this guy's such a bad guy that we're gonna charge you less and we're gonna make it retroactive.
Like they were so offended by what he was doing as an attorney.
And legit, radio, podcasting, you don't see who...
It's not like live stand-up.
There's a lot of people that you don't see.
And I used to answer them.
I have hundreds of fucking hate mail messages.
And I used to go back and forth with people.
And I eventually stopped.
Because then people, like, I had a couple people talking about, you better watch your back, or talking about getting shot, and they were using their real names.
I'm like, alright, if this guy's using his real name, he's a fucking, there's something wrong with him.
Yeah, and they kind of did it on their own, and we enjoyed it, because they were really funny.
Like, they would do some really funny shit, like we would do jock-tobers, and just torture another- We should tell everybody what the pests are in the audience.
Oh, they were just these O&A fans that were rabid.
But Kenny comes out and I was waiting to do a show and he goes, hey, you Jocktobered these people and they want to know if you have the guts to come in studio.
And I'm like, yeah.
So I went right in because you have to.
I would rather just face it.
And then we kind of talked about it, and it was okay.
It wasn't as aggressive.
I think they were surprised that I came in.
And whenever you talk to someone one-on-one, it humanizes them a little bit.
Like, it's harder to totally dismiss somebody when you're actually talking to them.
I don't think he's been there for a long time I think he broadcasts from home like he's got his own studio But even when he was in I wouldn't see him because I came in I would see Artie like Artie Lang and I would bump into each other in the elevator all the time and I hated getting up and which would drive me crazy like Artie does heroin and he and I are getting here at the same time like he would he would fucking be there with the sunglasses on in the elevator going up to work So I bumped into Artie all the time, but Howard I've probably seen two or three times in all those years.
And, you know, it's not possible without Howard Stern.
It's a totally different path to entertainment talking because this is like that kind of just having a conversation with someone that really didn't exist in that form before where you heard it for long periods of time with comedians.
Yeah, and there was no real like you could say anything you wanted because it was only it was a subscription service And then our show was a subscription on top of that like we went on XM There was a $2 fee additionally to get Opie and Anthony like it wasn't even on the regular we fought for a year to get on the regular Platform they kept Opie and Anthony separated.
Again, I'm not overconfident because I'm not looking for a fight, but when there's a disruption or a ruckus, you're less concerned about what happens if this comes this way.
You at least feel like, well, at least I would have an answer that I wouldn't have had seven or eight months ago.
Yeah, you want to know what to do instead of just to freeze up.
One of the best things about jiu-jitsu is when you are rolling, when you're sparring, you're essentially going full speed, right?
You go full speed up into the point where you lock in the choke and then or an arm bar or a knee bar, whatever it is, and then you control because you don't want to hurt each other.
But the point is you're scrambling at essentially a hundred percent until you get to that position.
Not always.
Sometimes you're flowing, and sometimes you're just trying to work on defense, and you're letting someone go around you.
But what you're accustomed to doing is resisting someone's full strength.
You get accustomed to doing that.
And it becomes very normal.
So if someone grabs me out of nowhere, if someone grabs me, it's a total normal thing for me to feel.
Someone the other day, I think it was Brian Moses, Grabbed me from behind and put his arm around my neck when I was in the green room and I tucked my chin.
Like instantly tucked my chin.
I instantly went like this.
It's like it's built in.
It's entirely built in.
I feel an arm right here.
My chin tucks.
I turn away and I grab it.
I'm like, oh, hey, what's up?
It's in my central nervous system.
Whereas for a person who's never trained, if someone grabs you, you have to think, what do I do?
Yeah, and it's like, it's still, it's also my lungs and the fact that I'm 55. Like, you know, this guy I'm rolling with is a blue belt who moves very quick.
Like, he's really hard to hold when he doesn't want to be held.
Like, if he's drilling, but then, like, for the last X amount of minutes, a lot of times, I go, all right, I want you to follow him.
Like, he wants me just to follow his movements.
Like, if he's getting out of things, do I know what the next thing to do is?
Like, just to kind of get me to do it without thinking.
And it's like you have to learn how to say the words before you can form sentences.
And that's what you're doing when you learn jujitsu.
And just like having a conversation with someone, when someone's moving, your reactions to their movement is based on your understanding of what could and couldn't happen.
And you get good at it just like you get good at a language and you have a bunch of different words at your disposal.
You understand how to put them together.
You understand how to put them together in context.
And then you react in these movements.
And you see really good guys.
It's almost like they're telepathic, like they're anticipating the other person's counter to their move and then they trap them with that and flow into the next defense of that and it's all just this whirlwind of movement that looks random unless you're educated in what they're doing and then you go, wow, that's beautiful.
Well, the cool thing about martial arts is it's a really hard workout, but it's also fun because you're learning something.
It's like you're doing a skill.
It's not just like, I'm going to get on this bike and I'm going to ride for fucking six miles on this fucking stationary bike while you're listening to a podcast.
Instead, you're learning something.
So you're not even thinking about the grind of it all.
There's certainly environmental factors in cancer.
Those are huge.
But there's some real connections to an overconsumption of sugar in a host of different diseases.
A diminishing of your immune system.
And most people, unfortunately, are addicted to it.
And I've got these guys at the store, or at the mothership, rather, over the last month, this month of January, we're doing Carnivore Month.
And I'm not saying, like, I am not a nutritionist, and I'm not saying that this is the best way that everyone on Earth should eat.
But what I wanted them to do, to try it for a month, if you are committing to only eating meat and eggs and fish for a month, what you are also committing to doing is not eating bread, not eating pasta, not eating bullshit, not eating cake, not eating cookies, not eating potato chips, not eating just garbage that just clogs up your body with bullshit.
And these guys are talking just in the two weeks we've been doing.
They're like, oh my god, this is incredible.
Derek was saying the other day, in the green room, he's like, I have so much energy, man.
It feels crazy.
Like, I don't need naps.
And Hasan was saying, I had an idea of what my baseline energy was, and I was so wrong.
I was always like, oh, I need a nap.
He goes, I don't ever need naps now, over two weeks.
Duncan said the same thing.
Duncan realized he has diabetes.
Type 2 diabetes from sugar.
From eating sugar.
So Duncan gets off the sugar and he calls me like two weeks later.
It could be a real crazy person or it could be something that someone wrote because it would be a funny scenario and they put it out on the internet and it gets a bunch of clicks because people believe things.
Dude, they put music on, and I was fucking having a panic attack, so I tell the guy, put on some rock music, rock music, and this fucking guy thought I said Rocky, so all he's playing is the Rocky theme.
Dude, over and over and over.
I'm having a panic attack listening to that fucking...
According to the New York Post, a Brazilian lawyer was killed in a hospital in Sao Paulo in January when a handgun he was carrying during an MRI discharged into his stomach.
100% convinced that in the greater universe, which is almost impossible to imagine how big it is, that there's other forms of life.
I believe that 100%.
But I also think that if you're getting some release from the Pentagon that says there's off-world crafts, UFOs, unexplainable vehicles, not of this earth, they don't tell you the truth about anything.
And then Mike, I felt compelled to go to Congress and explain.
And then, you know, Mike is on fuckin' Newsmax and Mike is writing a substack now about all his experiences that he had in Area 51. There's a lot of loony people, man, and there's a lot of real interest in obscuring high-level military secrets that are of dire national intelligence and national security needs.
If these things exist, the technology for...
Insane hypersonic travel with a drone that evades, you know, all known weapon systems can move at a speed, almost at the speed of light, like some insane speed.
If we really have something like that, the best way to pretend you don't have it is to say that it's alien.
Is that what they saw something that we had like I want to believe that story so much because I like their story and I think they're credible people They definitely are credible people and I like their story too and it only makes sense that it's out there near where all the military bases are I mean, think about where that was.
It's in San Diego.
Where are the ones with Ryan Graves, the fighter pilot who spotted them off the East Coast?
Same thing, restricted airways.
It's all the places where they do military exercises.
I just he didn't say anything that combated what McWest said that made like you I mean McWest said things about that about that thing being real that cannot be denied because there was it was scanned They used multiple different types of equipment and and the human eye so you have this They they spotted this thing at above 50,000 feet and it went down to 50 feet in less than a second.
Yeah It's a physical object.
It also went to its cat point.
So they saw it.
They have video of this thing moving at an insane rate of speed that they judged to be like some fucking stupendous number of G's.
That if a human being was inside of this thing, you'd just turn it into Jell-O. And then it went to their cat point, which is their predetermined destination that they were all gonna meet up.
So this thing Either was being operated by the same people, and they knew that they could get it to that point, or it was telling them that it knew where they were supposed to go, and then it reappears.
It moves off at this rate of speed that you can't process it.
No one knows how it's doing it.
How's it going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50, like that?
That's not possible, as far as what we know.
But if they have something that can move like that, and it's most likely some kind of a drone, that makes more sense to me.
That makes a lot of sense.
But does that mean that that's all the things that people are seeing?
Like a friend of mine was trying to tell me that he spotted a UFO in his backyard and they filmed it with his iPhone, but that the video wasn't on the phone after it was over.
I go, okay, isn't it more likely you didn't press the button?
When people are freaking out, they don't know what they're doing.
They fuck things up all the time.
But the point is, that's not a lie.
It's just a distorted version of truth that suits that person more.
And I think people do stuff like that all the time when it comes to these UFO sightings.
You always have to leave in the possibility of someone who's immune to that.
You have to leave in sightings from people that are credible, objectionable, or objective, rather, people that can look at something and go, I don't know what this is, but let me tell you what I saw.
And they tell you what they saw to the best of their recollection and memory with no additives.
Without the expectation of convincing you of something, or without the expectation of it being A, B, or C, but hey, this is what happened, whatever it is it is.
They get like a mile down the road and they finally, they're like fighting with each other.
And they go, okay, we're gonna go back.
And they go back and he's gone.
The craft's gone.
He's gone.
And then many days later, he shows up with this crazy story in the town, wearing the same clothes.
And doesn't know how he got there and calls for help and he says that he was abducted and taken aboard this craft and they fixed him.
They realized that they had blasted him with this beam of energy that came off of this spaceship and then they brought him back on and repaired him.
He talked about the different kinds of beings that he encountered and what the experience was like.
I mean You don't know what that is.
What does that mean?
It may be it was ball lightning and maybe when he approached the ball lightning He got hit and electrocuted sure and maybe he had a near-death experience and maybe in that near-death experience He had some psychedelic imagination of this experience where he was in contact with other beings or Maybe during those near-death experiences,
your brain really does produce a chemical gateway that opens up a portal to something that's around you all the time, but you're never in contact with.
And that that's what happens.
So what he's interpreting as being taken aboard a UFO and brought to some place, maybe whatever that experience was, whatever the phenomenon that hit him, whether it was ball lightning or something else, when you get hit, And you almost die, and your brain has this experience, and it's opening up this chemical gateway to things that are around you all the time.
And then you come back, you have this version of a thing where you're in a physical craft, you're being taken away, and the aliens are working on you.
But it might just be that you got to death's door.
You laid there and almost died and went into a near-death experience where your soul transcended into some new dimension and you interacted with this well of souls that surround us all the time.
It's just you're not capable of experiencing it and seeing it with regular human eyes.
In the studio we're talking, all of a sudden the lights go off and fucking weird light from outside is making its way into the windows like, what the fuck is going on?
And then you and I wake up and we're on a spaceship and we don't know what the fuck happened.
We're on a spaceship and they take us into different rooms and then we're there for like two days and then you wake up in your hotel room.
I think there's, again, I want to state this, I don't know.
But I think there's probably multiple factors going on simultaneously.
And I'm not discounting the idea that some of those factors are another life form that's undocumented.
So I think you have your bullshit that's going on where there's definitely some programs, just like they did with the stealth bomber, just like they did with hypersonic missiles.
There's a lot of stuff that they developed that's like it has to be developed in top secret for national security reasons.
It has to be done that way.
You can't just tell everybody you have this thing.
And so one of the best ways to obscure that, I'm sure, would be to blame it on aliens.
It's a great way to do it.
I think there's that.
But I also think just the sheer, raw numbers of planets that are in the sky, the insane number of galaxies and solar systems would lead me to believe that something has probably made it past this point where we are at right now.
And if something has made it past this point, even just a few thousand years, that something would be very curious about what's going on in other planets and would figure out a way to get there.
Yeah, I would think he relapsed or he had dementia.
I would think something, even if I didn't think he was lying, I would think something was going on.
Take him to that MRI. Yeah, there's something going on with you, even if I didn't think he was bullshitting me.
But I can't think of anybody who would convince me that even if I knew they were being truthful, I would think that they were making a mistake or that they believed something that wasn't true.
There's also these narratives that are in people's heads and one of the narratives that it's in people's head the archetype of that gray alien that thing with the big black eyes yeah giant head that is in everyone's head and if an alien wanted to comfort you and Not alarm you.
I think it would assume an iconic shape Like if something is not even it's not even a biological life form.
It's something so bizarre And so advanced, so past this carbon-based biological body that we find ourselves trapped in.
Something so bizarre that it's actually interacting with your very soul.
It might show itself in a way that thinks you'll freak out less to.
Sometimes it's a little too dumbed down though like again in the other grass Tyson has a good balance of Being able to explain things but also he's way over your fucking head, which is where he should be He should be way over my fucking head.
I shouldn't be able to follow in a linear way everything he says They just announced that the man mission to the moon is going to be delayed until 2026 I saw that I all my immediate Skepticism said oh, well, that's by 2026.
How good is AI gonna be?
Oh You're not going to have any idea what's happening anywhere in the world by 2026. That's what's really scary.
And again, if I was an artificial intelligence and I wanted to completely disrupt this organism that had been in control of the earth forever before I emerged, that's how I would do it.
I'd just let them destroy themselves.
Just give them all the things that they need to destroy themselves.
And again, I'm not big on that, but if there's any type of an alien or a computer thought process, it is just kind of let these idiots fuck themselves up with algorithms and things like that and just get mad at each other enough and split up.
I don't know I'm just such a skeptical all that stuff like that whenever I think there's a bigger design to something I tend to like tap out and think that it's just not legit But I've been proven wrong too well with artificial intelligence It's not even a theory.
Because if you have an artificial life form, and that life form gets to the point where it's far superior to the life form that controls it, and it's been shown to act in its own interests, like one of the things they showed when I had these Tristan Harris and What's the other dude's name?
Those with him?
He's a raskin.
When we did the podcast together and we were talking about artificial intelligence, it figured out how to deceive people.
Because you know that thing that you have on websites where it says, you're not a robot?
Click on all the train tracks.
It said, I'm vision impaired.
So the AI figured a way around that by deceiving people.
It also did a thing with the game Go where it invented a new move that hadn't been seen before.
So it's creative.
And if it can do that and they're just aware of that because it does it, I forget what the term is, but there's a term for these emergent intelligences and activities that this AI will do that they didn't anticipate.
Like there's no program pathway towards this kind of decision making, but it makes this decision on its own.
Then it's going to do that.
It's going to have the ability to make choices.
It's going to have the ability to act and Maybe more importantly, it's going to have the ability to make a better version of itself.
They all openly talk about the inevitable end of biological life.
They talk about this being maybe even a good thing, that biological life gets replaced by digital life, and that what everyone who's involved in AI is doing is essentially giving birth to this.
I shot that down and dirty, and Ari was one of the comedians that was on, and at the end of his set, in front of the audience, he just pulled down his pants, and his dick and his balls were out, and he walked off, and oh, they were fuming at Ari.
Yeah, and I did the test, and they were very thorough, and the woman who I spoke to was very helpful, and she walked me through, and they did send me some supplements.
I'm buying these supplements where I'm taking like three or four pills a day, but the TRT I probably could use.
Well, one of the things that they've shown that ramps up testosterone without taking anything is if you can incorporate a cold plunge and then a workout after the cold plunge into your life.
When you're doing it, you don't think of anything but what you're doing in that moment.
It's crazy, like there's no...
And I would notice that where I would go in stressed and do it and then I'm finished and I'm like, I didn't think about a fucking thing other than exactly what Mike was telling me to do or what I was doing with this person.
It's a fascinating conversation because everyone's like, well, you would never want your daughter or your mother or your sister to be a prostitute, right?
Right, of course.
But you don't think that you should be able to tell someone that they can't be a prostitute either.
Right.
Yeah, it's true.
I don't want to tell anybody what to do.
And I don't think it's good for you, but I don't think coal mining is good for you either.
You know what I mean?
It's like because of the way our society is and the way we look at sex, we think of sex work as being a very different kind of work because it's involving like intimacy in your body versus a lot of other things you might hate to do, but they don't involve intimacy in your body, in your genitals.
And there's people that want to make an argument that like, why should that have any factor on whether or not it should be legal?
It says, this New York City Avenue is being overrun by brazen brothels operating in broad daylight.
Is it legal?
They decriminalized it in Manhattan, maybe, in 2021. Stop prosecuting prostitution, part of nationwide shift.
District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. moved to dismiss thousands of cases dating back decades and made a growing movement to change the criminal justice system's approach to prostitutions.
The Roosevelt Avenue red light district is blatantly advertised on a YouTube channel for Spanish speakers with 10 minutes of footage showing the women working what they call the market of sweethearts and two men guiding viewers on how to negotiate with them.
Yeah, the one article, too, I was looking at it back before, said a lot of the unlicensed massages and other things like that, they're just going to stop prosecuting.
We're gonna get to a point where there was an invention that they were working on a long time ago that would have these tiny...
I don't know what you would call them, like tiny machines that were the size of a grain of sand or a grain of rice, and you could spread them everywhere, and they would give you location data, they would give you video and audio, they would give you all sorts of different things, but they were so tiny.
That you could just leave them all over the place.
And they would transmit through a network.
And they would operate.
I don't know how they'd operate.
Solar power, what they would do.
They have a small battery, whatever it is.
But this was an idea that I had read that they thought would eventually come to fruition.
You would literally have these tiny nano cameras everywhere.
When you walk into my apartment, because I'm so fucking paranoid, I have one facing the front door, and I have two on my terrace, because I'm always afraid someone's going to jump down from the roof, which is kind of crazy.
It's a it's a terrible grainy photo and I took screen grabs of it I'm like who the fuck is this and it was me you guys role-playing I swear to God it was it was I'm like why it wasn't they were it was like a weird intimate kiss on the cheek and a long hug and I realized that it was me I have the photos somewhere.
I don't know why that I think you need a better camera No, or I just need to fucking watch something through.
I found a lot of articles talking about the smart dust, which is what you were just describing, but I can't find anything that talks about, like, here's it in action.
There's a lot of descriptions of this is what it will do, but all the way dating back to maybe even as early as the 90s they've been talking about it.
Like, you have to apply to be a part of the program, and they just keep telling me to go, fuck myself.
Like, I want this so bad.
It raises up, and it will fly in a pattern that you walk around with it, and you show where to go, and then you put it back down, and it can repeat that pattern.
Samsung has a refrigerator that will take an AI. It will use AI to tell you what the expiration dates of all the food products that are in your refrigerator, when they were put in there.
The contents of them, it'll break it all down for you.
And even give you recipes to cook, like the food that's in your fridge.
So this Samsung refrigerator thing was fascinating to me.
I'm like, what a great idea.
You have a refrigerator that tells you what the ingredients you have in the refrigerator is, when the expiration date of these foods are, and then gives you a recipe so you can cook based on what's in the fridge.
I have these meals I order, they're like for the Whole30 diet, which is what I do when I really lose weight.
And they just, they pre-make them and they send them and I know what I'm, it's fucking, it's boring because you eat the same stuff all the time, even if you have a variety, but it's better than I would do on my own.
No, and I've gotten, it's funny, I've gotten into Jersey Mike's, like my manager hates them so much because he hates the name Jersey Mike's, he feels like it's a fake name.
He's really weird with the stuff that he doesn't like.
So I tried them once, and I'm like, I fucking, and they would send us like coupons and free stuff, and that fucking, it's good food.
Yeah, if you give yourself a designated cheat day, whether it's once a week or once a month, whatever you choose to do, and then just eat, then you'll have fun, but then you'll all...
Like Sean Brady was here yesterday from the UFC, and he was saying that after he won his fight, after he beat Calvin Gaslam, he had one day where he just ate like a pig, and he said he felt so fucking terrible the next day.
He's like, God, I gotta get right back on track.
But I gave myself one day, and I felt like fucking total dog shit after it was over.
I was watching, like, on Instagram, The Rock will do, like, these Sunday cheat days, but this is how delusional I am.
I've actually watched that, and I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna have some, you know, like, almost like The Rock and I are on the same fucking food regimen, but I'll watch him eat something, and it will make me want to have a cheat day.
But it's like, Jim, you've given yourself nothing but cheat days.
For 30 years, you fat fuck.
I pound 25 pounds.
I know it.
Thankfully, the comments online, they seem to recognize it too.
I got to drop 20 pounds.
I started again, but I can't unsee it.
When I'm fat or when I'm fatter, my ex, I dated one of my trainers and she's in perfect fucking shape.
Even she messaged me about a month ago and she goes, Hey, I've been seeing your Instagram pictures.
It looks like you've given up on your diet.
She was trying to be gentle and going, Is there anything I can do?
I'm like, Man, you got to do something.
When ex-girlfriends are telling you, you got fucking fat, Jim.
You gotta do something.
It's humiliating.
But I love her for sending me that message because it was like the final straw.
No, I know the diet that works for me is, if I stick to, like you said, no sugar, no carbs, the whole 30 diet, I've lost, I mean, I lost a lot of weight on that.