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Joe Rogan Experience #2087 - Ron White
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The Joe Rogan Experience Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Ron White has brought a wandering puppy into this studio and she's tangling the wires all day Ron White has brought a wandering puppy into this Yeah, you know what, we can just put her out there, they got new puppies out there, let's just put her outside She doesn't need to be around these wires Let's have her do that and play with the puppy Yeah, she'll do that.
joe rogan
How old is she?
Six months?
ron white
Six months.
joe rogan
She's adorable.
What's her name again?
ron white
Maddie.
She's like a rug that shits.
That's what she is, man.
unidentified
She's a little adorable little cutie pie.
ron white
She's a golden doodle.
Micro golden doodle is what they're calling them.
joe rogan
Micro golden doodle.
ron white
Yeah, so that's about how big she's supposed to be.
unidentified
That's it?
joe rogan
That's as big as they get?
ron white
That one's supposed to.
I hope so.
joe rogan
Isn't it weird?
ron white
I still got to cram them on planes and shit when I would travel.
joe rogan
Those things all came from wolves.
ron white
Did they really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ron white
I don't know anything about where she came from.
I got it from a breeder.
joe rogan
All dogs came from wolves.
ron white
They did?
joe rogan
It's just incredible that they can get a dog down to that.
I mean, even a German Shepherd.
Imagine turning a German Shepherd into a Chihuahua.
ron white
How?
joe rogan
How'd they do that?
ron white
I'm glad I'm not the one they're asking how to do it because I would have to say, I have no idea, dude.
joe rogan
I don't even think they know how people did it.
ron white
You get two Chihuahuas and let them bang.
That's the only...
joe rogan
That's the new way.
What if you can go back up to a wolf?
What if you can take chihuahuas?
ron white
And get back, just reverse DNA those things back into a creature?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make it harder for them to live.
ron white
Is it hot in here?
joe rogan
No.
ron white
It's not?
joe rogan
No.
ron white
Oh, no.
Then I miscalculated something.
I got a miscalculation going on in my head.
joe rogan
No, we're good.
It's like, what is it in here?
70?
It's cold as shit outside.
ron white
Yeah, it is.
I'm up in the air on the 22nd floor.
I'm still living in the condo.
It is breezy up there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Boy, you open up that sliding glass door, you had a taste of reality.
ron white
A couple days ago, we could barely shut it or open it.
It was just so much pressure against it.
We were in Midland on Thursday night to do a show.
Thanks to you.
If you'd have just let me retire, I wouldn't have been in Midland.
I'm sitting on my bus, my 60,000 pound tour bus, and it is shaking in the wind.
It is blowing so hard.
And I've owned that bus 17 years.
I've never felt anything like this.
And just shaking.
And the bus driver had to drive it from there to Houston for the next night's show.
He got up ten hours later just wrestling that steering wheel trying to keep that thing on the road.
unidentified
Oh my God.
ron white
His shoulders were killing him.
His back was sore.
It looked like he'd been in a fight all night long.
Ten hours.
joe rogan
What a bus is such a big target for wind, too.
There's so much surface area.
ron white
Like a big old sail.
Yeah.
But luckily, they weigh a lot.
So they're 60,000 pounds.
So it's pretty stable compared to a trailer that somebody's pulling.
There's no weight in that.
All that weight's right here.
That stuff really blows around worse than we do.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would imagine.
ron white
We have got weight distribution.
joe rogan
Just the whole trailer thing being connected.
ron white
I know all about this shit.
If you want to know any of it, just ask me questions.
joe rogan
Okay.
The hinge between the two trailers, if something goes sideways, I would imagine that would be a lot harder to get back on track.
ron white
I don't know jack shit about that.
In fact, I've owned my bus for 17 years.
I've never driven it one foot.
And if you held a gun to my head and said, I'm going to kill you if you don't move this bus, I'd say, you're going to have to kill me, dude, because I don't even know how to start it.
I've never been curious.
I'm not that kind of person.
I owned a jet for years.
I never went in the cockpit.
I couldn't tell you what goes on up there.
I'm sure the people up there knew how to fly a plane.
But I've never started it.
I've never moved it.
I've had cops bang on it.
You've got to move it.
You're blocking an alley.
I'm sorry, dude.
You've got the wrong guy.
And the guy that says the driver is asleep right now because he's got to drive tomorrow night.
So it's kind of sitting where it's sitting unless you guys want to tow it.
joe rogan
You've had that happen?
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh.
ron white
Yeah, I had...
joe rogan
Yeah, because drivers can only drive so long.
ron white
Yeah, well, you drive 500 miles and then they go on overdrive.
So they make the same for the next couple hours that they made for the whole day.
So they like that.
But there are laws against how much they can run without needing some rest.
And we run that bus at night, so they've got to sleep during the day.
joe rogan
You're banking on people being able to stay awake.
People fall asleep at the wheel sometimes.
ron white
Yeah, you've got to go with super pros and pay them well.
Because those guys understand how important it is.
You've got everything on this thing.
My life, my friends' lives, and my family.
That's who I've spent the most time with in the last Whatever, 30 years.
So you get a pro that knows how to sleep, knows how to do it, knows how to work it, knows how to work those hours.
I got a great guy now that I just picked up named Steve, who used to work for Prevost fixing them.
And Fred the Patz, who built the bus.
So I got the bus covered, man.
joe rogan
That's nice.
Because you got like a little traveling apartment.
ron white
Yeah, it's the greatest.
You ought to get one.
In fact, I was looking at them the other day for you.
Dude!
joe rogan
I'm not getting one of those.
ron white
You ought to.
unidentified
No.
ron white
You got a place to store it.
joe rogan
No.
ron white
Park it in one of your gyms.
joe rogan
No, just the thought of traveling around on highways while you're just kind of...
You're hoping all these other people around you can keep their shit together.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
You just have regular people, not pilots, regular people driving multi-thousand pound machines on rubber tires, weaving in and out of lanes.
ron white
Yeah, you can't ever come on my bus with thoughts like that, spewing them out there.
I'll never sleep again.
joe rogan
You're ruining it for everybody.
Some guy just caught in front of me the other day, didn't see me on the highway, I don't think.
I think he just caught right in front of me, and I was like, wow.
ron white
Never saw you.
joe rogan
I don't think he saw me.
I think he just turned in my lane.
I think, you know, it was a left lane thing.
He was going into the left lane.
I just don't think he saw me.
ron white
You know, the problem with that bus is that you get so used to it and you're so used to living on it when it's moving.
And you kind of forget that you're standing there, but you're really going 70 miles an hour.
So if something happens, and this happened one time we were in Orlando...
And it was actually a cop that did it.
Cut in front of the bus.
I'm standing there washing dishes or whatever I was doing.
And then Pat's got to hit the brakes and turn to the left from going for...
Now I'm going 70 miles an hour.
I'm still going 70 miles an hour.
But he's going 52 and going that way.
And I'm going 70 miles an hour this way.
And I landed on this chair, which looks padded, but it doesn't feel padded when you hit it.
And...
I thought I would never walk again or breathe again after I just walked away from it.
I wouldn't even hurt.
But you got to sit down and remember, hey, this thing's moving, right?
So if something happens, you got to be ready for it to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
And I sleep like a baby on it.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ron white
In fact, if I spend too much time on it, I've got to hire somebody to shake my bed when I'm at home just a little bit so I feel like I'm moving down the road.
joe rogan
If we wanted to look at the bright side of human beings, highways are a pretty good indicator that people, for the most part, keep it together.
For the most part.
ron white
I think that's really how you can really tell when you're back in America and how good we are at putting a country together, you know, is how good our roads are compared to, you know...
It's really funny, if you cross the bridge from Reynos, Mexico to Macau in Texas, which I used to do all the time, it was a joint project.
So the U.S. built half the bridge, Mexico built half the bridge.
And I'm not being a racist, and I love Mexican people.
I just got back from Mexico City.
But our side of the bridge is smooth as silk, and as soon as you hit that river, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
But that just goes to what you just said.
It's a mark of what you've achieved as a civilization, the kind of road work that you've got.
And you get back to Texas where we got those U-turn lanes on the freeway.
We got it figured out here in Texas, man.
We got the best roads ever.
Best roads ever.
joe rogan
It's just counting on all those people to keep their shit together all the time while you're driving on the highway.
And most people do it.
Most people, the vast majority of us, keep our shit together.
ron white
That's why I think bus drivers should make more than pilots.
Because there's way more shit to run into.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, way more.
And way more things that can make mistakes that are all around you.
ron white
Right, you're right.
Things that are completely out of your control.
That isn't going on up in the sky there.
joe rogan
There's also people play stupid road games.
I'm sure you've seen those.
People get aggressive with each other on the road.
When you're in a car, and this was explained to me, I forget who told us, who told us this with the reason why road rage really exists at such a hyper level is because you're really tuned in because you're driving the car.
It's an extraordinary thing.
You're really, you know, you know things are happening fast, your mind's tuned in.
So any little thing like, what the What the fuck?
ron white
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Because you're already at, like, seven.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
And so when you're already at seven and something happens, it just freaks you out.
ron white
You know, it's amazing how even-headed I think I am, but what really little it takes to set me off.
You know, I like to think I'm a step above all that stuff, but...
I was in Mexico City the other day, and this guy, I needed to find something, a pharmacy, and so this guy was in the nice Beverly Hills part of Mexico City, and this guy's walking, he's got a business suit on, and I literally, I don't look that great, my hair's all over the place, and And I said, can you tell me where a pharmacy is?
And the guy didn't even look at me.
He just kept on running.
I said, please, could you just tell me where a pharmacy is?
And the guy didn't even look at me.
I said, fuck!
You know, I went off on the fucking guy.
You know, he just tried to get where he was going and didn't want to be stopped by some big, hairy, drug-addicted-looking thing, you know, that was coming at him.
joe rogan
You do look a little sketchy.
Like, if you're asking for where the pharmacy is and I don't know who you are, I can see some suspicious thoughts.
ron white
And I'm basically wearing pajamas and, you know, the wind's blowing.
But that's how far I am away from really snapping.
I'm not hovering above anything, I don't think.
joe rogan
There was always the joke that you'd go to pharmacies in Mexico and just buy anything.
Is that true?
Because people would always say that.
They would call them like Mexicans.
I was always calling them Mexican supplements.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like steroids and things that people could buy over there.
ron white
Is it true?
There are some things that you can get like Valium and stuff like that, but you can't go down there and get like opioids or...
joe rogan
Oh, no?
ron white
I don't think so.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm just...
jamie vernon
I mean, according to a few TikTok videos I've seen, you can walk in and get lots of, like, steroid-type stuff, for sure.
I'm looking on, like, for some...
ron white
Yeah, you can get HGH and stuff like that, but that's not what you're talking about.
joe rogan
I'm talking about everything.
Like, what can you get?
ron white
Yeah, yeah.
No, I don't think it's really that open a book.
I know you can get cheap dental care down there.
joe rogan
But I think they decriminalized a lot of things in Mexico fairly recently.
jamie vernon
This isn't anything that crazy.
You can get that stuff here.
joe rogan
Lexapro.
So you can just go in with no prescription and buy...
jamie vernon
Viagra.
joe rogan
But the weird ones, like Lexapro, that's like an antidepressant, right?
ron white
I have no idea what that is.
joe rogan
You could just go buy penicillin.
ron white
Yeah, and why not?
I mean, why should you have to go through it?
If you know if you need penicillin, your dick's dripping, you know, get something for it.
You know, go down there and patch it up.
You don't want to admit it to anybody.
jamie vernon
That thing is a Viagra.
It's a blue pill itself.
joe rogan
Ah, that's hilarious.
ron white
Look at the dick on that.
joe rogan
What does it say?
Macho Caliente?
ron white
Very hot.
That's what that means.
Very hot.
joe rogan
It's a pharmacy with a dude with a boner.
ron white
He's got abs, too.
He's got a little gut, but it's like a mix between me and Rogan.
He's got a big old fucking upper body and a gut hanging down there.
joe rogan
It's a human Viagra pill with a boner at a pharmacy.
ron white
And a Sobrero.
joe rogan
And a Sobrero.
ron white
Yeah, it's too bad you can't see this.
Oh, I guess some people watch this on television, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, some of them do, yeah.
jamie vernon
Isn't that that thing from, like, the ancient times?
joe rogan
Yes, it is, but it's also, I think it's a sleeping pill.
ron white
Right, but it's right next to a bottle of shampoo, right?
Or that's lotion, body lotion.
joe rogan
Isn't it kind of ironic that Soma, is it sleeping medication?
I don't know what it is.
Because the original Soma was like...
jamie vernon
Muscle relaxer.
joe rogan
Muscle relaxer.
So the original Soma, they don't even know what it was.
There's all sorts of questions as to what it was.
They think it had something to do with mushrooms, perhaps, but it might have been a bunch of other psychedelics, too.
They don't know what it was.
ron white
I still don't know what it is.
joe rogan
Have you heard the term?
ron white
No.
joe rogan
You've never heard the term Soma?
ron white
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
It's like an ancient term for some sort of a magical elixir.
Am I saying that right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, when I Google it, it says that it itself is also a god, so I don't even...
joe rogan
Some drink is most famous.
ron white
I want some.
joe rogan
Yeah, ancient Indian drug, Soma.
ron white
Oh, this is right down my alley.
joe rogan
Made from a plant called Soma is a god and a drink that was used as an offering to the gods in some Vedic rituals.
Soma was celebrated at an early period as shown in the hymns of the Rig Veda.
Wow.
ron white
From when?
joe rogan
They don't really...
Oh, fucking thousands of years ago.
When was that?
ron white
And they still use this today?
joe rogan
No, it's just, you know, it's used as like a term, as like a Soma, as like a thing that cures all.
A Soma is a thing that clears minds.
You know, there's various interpretations of what it does.
But it's kind of crazy that they named a muscle relaxant that.
Like, how brazen.
How brazen!
ron white
I bet you do feel better, though, overall.
joe rogan
I bet you feel great.
ron white
Yeah, my muscles are pretty relaxed all the time.
Yours aren't.
You need the muscle relaxant.
joe rogan
What do those do to you?
They just conk you out?
ron white
They make me play better golf because it takes the tension out of my shoulders and my swing.
Yeah, a lot of golfers use all kinds of meds to get loose.
Or they actually go down to Stretch Lab and And get those muscles all stretched out so you can play.
joe rogan
I've heard with pool players, Percocets is a big one.
ron white
Well that's all nerves, right?
I mean if you can't...
joe rogan
Is that what Percocets do?
ron white
Well, yeah, I think so.
You know, calm your nerves or deaden them or whatever, you know?
joe rogan
I've never taken it.
ron white
I've been watching this.
There's a pool player that comes up on my feed now, and he's like an old, kind of chubby, fat, Mexican-looking guy.
And he's like the greatest pool player that ever lived, you know?
joe rogan
Efren Reyes.
ron white
Is that who it is?
joe rogan
From the Philippines.
ron white
Fuck, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
ron white
I've been watching that guy play a little bit.
Once it gets on my TikTok, it starts feeding to me if I know I eat it.
Oh, here, have another one.
Have another one.
But I like watching this guy play fucking pool.
I'm just like, God, he's fearless.
He's got ice water just pumping through his veins.
joe rogan
He's a wizard, man.
Like a real wizard.
He does things on a pool table.
There he is.
ron white
Yeah, that guy right there.
That guy's all over my TikTok feed now.
I can't get him off.
joe rogan
He does things on a pool table that are like magical.
ron white
How old is he?
joe rogan
Well, he's older now.
You know, he's probably in his late, yeah, like 69 says.
ron white
That's old for a pool player.
joe rogan
He still plays all the time.
They live stream videos of him playing people down in the Philippines.
ron white
That's what I'm getting, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they have these setups.
Efren Reyes is really arguably the greatest pool player in the history of pool players.
And he's now still playing all the time online.
And he plays online.
And he's not as good as he was when he was in his prime because he's 69 years old.
He's a young man's game.
ron white
I played pool my whole life.
We had a pool table at my house when I was a kid.
So I always liked watching trick players and people that could run the table and do weird shots and stuff like that.
joe rogan
This guy changed the way people stroke the ball.
He came along and he had this very loose and relaxed hand grip on the cue.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
Where some of the American players, they were a little too tight with their hand on the cue.
And Effred came along and it was like this flowing sort of like almost like he was playing a musical instrument.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
And the way he did it is so relaxed that his stroke Like, the way the cue ball would dance around the table was wild to watch, man.
unidentified
Wild to watch.
ron white
Maybe that's what I'm so intrigued about, because I don't know exactly what I'm seeing, but I was watching it on that, and you could see he does have a different motion into the ball, it even looks like, you know, with that...
joe rogan
Well, you've played pool before.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
So if you've played pool before, you know, like, when someone looks like they're good.
Like, oh, that guy looks like he can play pool.
You watch that guy, and you're like, oh, this is like a completely different kind of thing.
ron white
And then you would guess that...
That I would guess if I saw him on the street that I could beat him at pool.
And then he would have all my money and I would go, what the fuck happened to me just now?
joe rogan
They brought him over to America under a fake name to hustle with them.
They brought him over as Cesar Morales.
So these backers, they came from the Philippines, these dudes with big money, they came to America and they brought that dude.
ron white
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's their killer.
And they brought him, the pool world is so sneaky.
They brought him in under a fake name, because they didn't want people to ask around back to the Philippines, like people to make calls to the Philippines, hey, who's this Efrem Reyes guy?
And then everybody would just say, oh, he's the best, he's the best.
So instead, they just came up with a name, Cesar Morales.
And he won this giant tournament as Cesar Morales.
It's like a famous...
ron white
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have it on a t-shirt, that.
Morales stuns field at Reds So they just bring him in like the biggest pool tournament in the country and this guy's just robbing everybody Just robbing everybody just just getting out in ways that people like oh my god Like his stroke his knowledge of where the balls going the creativity Just a genius genius genius a virtuoso.
ron white
Yeah Well, I actually knew nothing about him, except my phone figured out that I liked watching him.
joe rogan
Right.
But you could still tell.
Yeah.
Even though you don't play a lot of pool, you look at that, you could tell.
You're like, wow.
That's wild.
ron white
Yeah, I never played a lot of pool.
I was never good.
I never had a good eye for the game.
I played a lot, so I could play.
You know, I could beat my friends.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
But if somebody came in, it was like ping pong.
I could beat it.
I beat the guys on my block pretty bad, but if somebody came in that was a player, they could just...
Push me around and shove me out of the door.
joe rogan
I've had a couple fun opportunities to play like real pros here.
Like this guy, Fedor Gorst.
He's probably number two or number three in the world.
Incredible player.
And me and him played for hours here.
And we're playing.
It's wild just to watch him up close do things.
You go, what the fuck?
Like, how are you doing that so effortlessly?
ron white
Yeah.
It's like watching a professional golfer when you play golf, you know?
joe rogan
The smoothness and the precision, it's just like, fuck, man.
ron white
Yeah, that's why I watch pro golfers, and I get to play with them every once in a while, and it's actually kind of like that guy's loose thing, you know?
That's how that golf swing is.
It's really loose, and nothing's really connected hard to anything, just the way it comes through the ball, something magic happens.
I'm trying to strangle the club and beat it to death and it doesn't work at all.
I'm writing a book right now, 50 years of bad golf, how I did it.
I had a plan to do it this bad for so long.
joe rogan
Tony says you play good.
ron white
You know what?
I'm back like I was at anything.
I can beat guys my age.
If you don't know me and we're playing golf together, I'll kick your ass.
But am I a player?
No.
There are guys 10 years older than me that can beat me to death on a golf course.
Any of those old pro guys that I hook up with every once in a while.
Daily can still beat me like a drum.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting?
It's like there's a control of a game like that.
What an extraordinary talent because it's so variable.
There's so many things going on.
ron white
You literally do never do the same thing twice the whole time you play golf your whole life because something's going to be different.
About the wind and the way and where you went, the kind of lie you got on the ground, what club you need to get to that.
It's all a game of questions.
And you rarely have the answer.
Even Ben Hogan, who is arguably the best ball striker ever, said that in an average day of golf, he hits two shots the way he wanted to, exactly.
And the rest of them are close to that.
So his misses are really good.
So if I hit one shot a month about, then I'll go, that was perfect.
And that's about how often I can do it.
Everything else is pretty good.
joe rogan
It's such a fascinating game.
ron white
Yeah, you don't have the time.
You don't have the time.
joe rogan
Nope, nope, I don't.
I'm scared of it.
I'm scared I'd love it.
ron white
You would, but you've always had that position, right?
You've always kind of looked at golf.
That's what people that want to get into golf, they think about starting.
It's a waste of time and money.
You need to understand that going into it.
More time than you can ever imagine.
You have to settle with how good you want to be, because to be better than that, you've got to spend hours and hours doing it.
But if you want to just rake it around and gamble with your friends, you don't have to practice all that much.
joe rogan
I knew quite a few comic buddies that I think lost a little inspiration in their career because they were spending so much time playing golf.
ron white
Well, that's how I killed my days, and I still do to this day.
When I was on the road like you were, I don't know what you were doing during the day, but I was trading tickets for free golf, schmoozing it wherever I could.
joe rogan
So you just play everywhere you go.
ron white
Yeah, we still do.
That's nice.
We travel at night, wake up at a golf course, crawl out, you're in the parking lot.
It's like you were FedExed over there.
joe rogan
That's great.
ron white
Crawl out of the box and play some golf, you know?
Kill another day.
Kill another day.
You're over here building an empire.
I'm killing another day.
joe rogan
Yeah, but killing another day is sweet.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
To be able to do it that way.
I mean, what is life?
What is life, if not enjoyment?
ron white
It's all about love.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
It's all about love.
How much do you love?
How much care you loved?
You know, outside of that, nothing really means much, but...
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
But that's, you know, it's a waste of time or whatever.
I can do charity events with golf.
People like to see me, you know, shake hands, and I like doing that kind of stuff, so, you know.
joe rogan
Well, you just love the game.
ron white
I do love the game.
joe rogan
You love talking about the game.
ron white
I watch it, you know, because I play it, you know, like you in fighting, you know, exactly, because you know exactly what that is that they're doing.
You can't even hardly explain it to me.
Even when you're trying to, to make me really understand what's going on exactly.
When two guys are on the ground and it looks like nothing's happening, then you're losing your mind because there's so many things happening.
joe rogan
That's a hard one to explain, too, because I'm trying to explain it while it's actually happening, so I have to have the path carved out in my head, especially on some transitions that guys do, when they go and mount to rear naked choke, and I'm trying to set up what he's going to do while not stepping on what they're doing, and then it's like this weird dance with a description of what's happening in real time.
ron white
Right, that's why nobody can ever take your job.
joe rogan
God, a lot of guys could do that.
ron white
No, that's not true.
joe rogan
A lot of guys could do that.
ron white
That's not true.
joe rogan
No, those guys are awesome at it.
ron white
If Rogan doesn't say it, it doesn't get said.
And that's true.
That's how people feel.
They sit around waiting for you to tell them what to think and do as far as fighting goes.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
No, there's guys that are better at it than me.
Like, Dominic Cruz is better at it from a technical standpoint than me.
He was a UFC champion.
He's had a shit ton of fights.
He knows a lot about the technical details.
ron white
But he's not Joe Rogan.
It's not as fun to hear.
joe rogan
For me, the fun, I get it.
But for me, the fun is the fight.
The fun is the who the fuck knows what's going to happen.
ron white
You can tell that.
You can see the joy in your face that it brings you with all these fucking events.
joe rogan
Well, you're getting to see literally the greatest Fist fighters of all time.
The greatest stand-up, ground-fighting, MMA-fighting warriors of all time.
They exist right now.
ron white
It's pretty exciting.
And I get that, and I get that it's the ultimate sport.
Okay, I'll fight you.
You know, that's how wars should be decided.
One guy and one guy.
Instead of, we're going to take our lower middle class, put them in a field with your lower middle class, they're going to kill each other.
You ought to just fight me in the fucking alley.
joe rogan
That's too difficult, rotten wife.
So they'd rather just fight you with narratives.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
Fight you with mandates, fight you with laws.
ron white
But you know me, I won't listen to their narratives.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
That's how I defend myself.
I'm really careful about what information I let in my head because I don't know what's going to stew around in there.
joe rogan
I hear you, man.
I hear you, especially in this day and age.
And also, there's so much to worry about.
Every fucking time I get on the news and I start reading what's happening in the world every day, it's something new that's insane that you have to worry about.
ron white
I know.
And that's why I'm just real careful about what news I let in my head.
joe rogan
Don't let it in.
ron white
And I've got news feeds on my phone.
These are news organizations that I trust that if something wacko in the world is going to happen, it's news, and they're going to pick it up.
But if it's something completely unverifiable that I don't even need to fucking know, they're not going to pick it up.
But I know when people go down that fucking dark road in the web, they come out on the other side, and sometimes you can't get them back.
You know, they're full-blown.
I got friends that came back full-blown QAnon.
They believed it.
There's Satan worshiping cabal of Democrats that eat babies.
I'm like, where are all the missing babies?
You know, how many babies does it take to feed all the Democrats if they're all drinking the blood of the babies?
There's going to be some missing babies, right, somewhere?
No.
No, yeah, they're from overseas.
They've got some answer to anything you throw at them.
Tom Hanks, like, that's not true!
Tom Hanks still making movies!
Tom Hanks didn't eat a baby?
Yeah, he did.
And they believe it.
joe rogan
Where did the Tom Hanks one come from?
ron white
I don't know.
joe rogan
Where did that one come from?
ron white
It's just straight out of QAnon.
It was their basic doctrine.
In the beginning was all this bizarre claims.
And I got a friend that's...
Well, you met her, and I'm not going to say her name, but...
I mean, she believes this with all of her heart.
joe rogan
Right.
ron white
All of her heart.
And there's nothing I can do to say, you know, nothing I can do.
Nothing I can do to change her mind.
joe rogan
Ron, I think at least a certain portion of that is other governments.
Fucking with people.
Absolutely it is!
ron white
And you can sway the uninformed.
They're not uninformed, they're misinformed.
They're informed, you know, they're taking in information, but it's just the wrong information.
You can be easily manipulated by that kind of stuff.
I mean, the human nature wants to go where it finds comfort, you know.
And if somebody's feeding you what you eat, you'll go that way, you know, even if it's not good for you.
joe rogan
And people have a very strong desire to uncover mysteries.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
You know, very strong desire to get to the truth.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because in important situations, there's something real going on.
That's a good quality.
It's a good quality to have.
But if it's, you know, they're eating babies, it's like, okay, what's the benefit of eating babies?
Like, why are they doing this?
ron white
It gives them some kind of superpower, you know.
It's so bizarre and so off of any, what I would consider, realm of possibility, even part of it being true.
But, you know, people go down there, and they'll see just a path of things that lead them, you know, some of it true, some of it not true, not true, not true, not true, and they'll head off down that direction.
They don't come back, you know.
It can separate families, man, that don't talk to Grandpa anymore.
He's gone off the fucking deep end.
joe rogan
And you know what's really insidious about that?
Is that the more crazy ones that are out there, and the more people start linking them all together, The more real conspiracies sneak through.
Because if you wanted to hide a real conspiracy, I would hide it in a bunch of other bullshit conspiracies.
I'd put a bunch of bullshit ones out there.
ron white
Sure.
joe rogan
I'd make it so that morons believe that Michelle Obama has a dick.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
I would just pump it out everywhere.
ron white
I'd make fake videos.
And that's exactly what's going on.
joe rogan
That's what's going on.
But if you did that, though, then you could sneak in some real conspiracies that otherwise people would think, well, that's outrageous.
That kind of corruption would be uncovered.
That kind of corruption would be prosecuted.
And you're like, wait, no one's going?
Anybody's getting busted for this?
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
What?
ron white
Right, and nobody is.
Right, so it's not really happening.
joe rogan
It's bananas!
ron white
And also, people want to, you know, I know somebody that has no formal education, right?
I don't have any formal education.
I didn't make it through high school.
My favorite joke that I ever wrote was, I do have a GED, and if you don't know what GED stands for, you've probably got one too.
That's one of my favorite jokes.
But, you know, they would love to have the answer to a question.
You know, they would love to be able to make a point of some kind.
You know, they would love to, but they can't, because they're just sitting around watching other people do it, and I wish I could think of something to say, and I can't think of anything to say.
Well, if there's somebody feeding them something to say, now they get real loud about it because they have a point to make even though they don't understand it at all.
They just know how to sound like they're making a point like Lauren Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene or whoever.
That's who they were.
And now they feel like they can make a point so they're being real fucking loud about it.
But if you've actually been around a while, you just sit around and shake your head and go, you're a goddamn idiot.
But All you gotta do is be the smartest person in your region, and boom, you're in Congress, you know?
They think she's smart as fuck down there in that one little section of Georgia where my tailors out of.
joe rogan
The problem with it is how many people that you know want to run the government?
How many people do you know?
How many people that you know that are really healthy, clear-thinking, business-minded people that have been successful that want to run the government?
Nobody.
So you're not getting any of those folks?
ron white
No.
What you're going to get is you're going to get their money.
To influence things in the direction they'd like to see it go without them having to be there.
Doing day-to-day stuff on it.
So they can have influence on it, but they don't want to.
Do they want to be the President of the United States?
joe rogan
Do they have it set up like a minor league?
Like they groom politicians, they get them to a position, and like, I like how you stand on this, but maybe if you stood a little bit further on this line, we could support you on this.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
And then they start grooming them.
Grooming them for the big stage.
Just like you would do with like regional plays, and all of a sudden you're on Broadway.
ron white
Right.
Well, you know, that's the religious right.
You know, they're You know, they wanted somebody, they wanted to get rid of abortion, so what are they going to do?
They got to stack those courts.
What are you going to do?
You're going to, okay, we got, there's a trillion of us, and we'll put you in office, and we'll be, but you got to, you got to put this judge here and this judge there, so what, our thing comes to pass, so that's just the way it works.
joe rogan
I'm even more cynical.
I just can't believe that human beings as a whole haven't resolved a bunch of different things.
There's a bunch that I don't believe are really coming back around.
I think people are making this argument that they're coming back around and they're highlighting moments where it's coming back around.
ron white
Coming back around to what?
joe rogan
I just don't.
I think this is one of the weirdest times ever for human beings to communicate.
And I think because there's so many of us, and there's so many people that are talking, and there's so many voices, and it's happening on everyone's phone.
And it's happening all over the fucking world, all at once.
ron white
Never been like this ever.
joe rogan
Ever.
ron white
In the history, and it makes you wonder where it's going.
joe rogan
I think it's short-circuiting everything.
ron white
I do too.
joe rogan
It's short-circuiting our government.
It's short-circuiting...
ron white
It makes me nervous.
And one of the things that makes me nervous, this government that we have, it's complicated.
It is complicated.
unidentified
It is complicated.
ron white
So you just can't be some douchebag on the side going, I want them out of there.
You got to have a plan because this thing's got to work.
You don't want separation of church and state?
Well, why don't you just move to Iran then?
Because that's what happened over there.
The religious right took over.
Now our laws are your laws.
That used to be a pretty normal place.
People don't believe that.
joe rogan
But Iran used to be fucking strawberry rivers and shit and normal people with jobs and Ron, there were people that were willing to laugh at people's deaths because they didn't want to get vaccinated for COVID. There were people like that at the same time thinking they're good people.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
All on the internet.
ron white
I know.
I know.
You know, when it came to all that stuff, you know me, I don't talk about politics on stage.
And I never knew, and I never will.
And it's not, oh, you just want to be able to sell tickets to both people.
But no, I want stand-up comedy to be a place where we can laugh.
And I'm going to do what I, you know, so I'm not going to take a position.
I never did.
If I was a political commentator before, okay, that's fine.
If I'm not Bill Maher.
So I don't bring it into my show because I want us all to come in and just be able to fucking laugh together and find out how much that matters.
And at the end of my shows now, I'm reminding people that no matter what our differences are, we just still came to this room and we all laughed at the same thing and we laughed hard and we loved each other and we had a great experience.
Let's remember that.
Let's try to get back to that.
joe rogan
Right.
ron white
You know, instead of all these stupid little things that makes it look like we have...
It's like fake rivalries almost.
It's not like Texas and Oklahoma, they're the same place.
There's no difference between those two places, and they act like, well, we're Oklahoma, and somebody put that in their head.
joe rogan
What I was getting at was that if they're willing to do that over just some issue of whether you want to or don't want to get a vaccine, what would they do if they really believed that God was on their side?
What would they do in a really bad...
Anything they could.
When things go really bad.
ron white
Anything they could.
joe rogan
When the power goes out for a while.
ron white
Anything they could.
joe rogan
Yeah, and justify it.
ron white
And that's what's dangerous, is they genuinely do believe that.
joe rogan
Yes.
ron white
That we would be better off if we did things like this, for sure, under these laws of God in this book.
By when Jesus would get back to his basic teachings that I really dug, you know, which is love each other.
Love, love, love.
And wait a minute, that was Lennon.
But still, Jesus was singing a similar song about, you know, with a good positive message.
And that message was always of love, you know, back when I went to church.
And, you know, my uncle's still a preacher to this day.
Dr. Charles Pollard's still preaching to the American Indians out in Farmington, New Mexico for no money, you know.
unidentified
Wow.
ron white
Has 23 people about at every service.
Then he goes to jails and...
And he's 90 years old, you know, still working to this day, still knocking it out for the Lord.
And he used to be the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, my uncle did.
So that was a very powerful position.
And then he fell out of favor with him because he just didn't believe in some of the doctrine.
And then he started, he showed up at my grandmother's birthday party on a Harley with no shirt on.
I'm like, oh no, Uncle Charlie's gone nuts.
So he went down to Corpus, I think it was, and he started this kind of gospel according to Charlie thing.
And then it was just kind of a phase he went through.
But now he still believes in that basic doctrine.
I love him to death.
He's one of my favorite people.
I'll talk to him all day long.
He's a treasure, really is.
And just a sweetheart of a guy, all about love and sweetness.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
ron white
His wife died and I asked him, I said, Knowledge of God and Jesus, and did that help you with her death?
And he goes, nope, not a bit.
It hurt, and it hurt, and I hated, and I didn't understand it.
I was like everybody else.
It didn't even help.
But that's just how honesty is.
unidentified
Wow.
ron white
Uncle Charlie!
joe rogan
Isn't it fascinating how much religion is practiced by so many different people in so many different ways?
And yet, if someone tried to start a new one right now, good fucking luck.
Good luck.
The feds would investigate you immediately.
If you start your own religion, if you bought some land out in Bastrop and the Ron White Church.
ron white
You're already thinking about doing this, aren't you?
You're just putting my name on it.
I know what you're doing.
joe rogan
I'm not interested in any of those activities.
ron white
I'm not either.
joe rogan
But if you did...
ron white
I would get my uncle to come run it.
joe rogan
But you would 100% get investigated.
ron white
Oh, yeah, I would.
joe rogan
But if you wanted to open up a Catholic church, if you said you converted to Catholicism, and you wanted to open up Ron White's Catholic church, they'd be like, oh, respectable position to take, Ron.
Good for you.
Congratulations on converting.
ron white
It's hard to get new money.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't be a startup in the religion world.
ron white
I think that's what Uncle Charlie found out.
You've got to be hooked to a brand of some sort.
joe rogan
You have to be in business with the big guys.
Like Scientology, you can get wild and go with them.
Or Mormons, you can get wild and go with them.
But if you just want to go straight Christian, there's a very acceptable pathway.
ron white
Yeah, and you...
And I can get along with you.
If you're Scientology, that one's really hard for me to swallow, but it is just difficult.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
Like, what are the standards?
Like, say if you wanted to start a church.
Like, if you were legitimately committed to the Bible and you became like a Bible scholar...
ron white
But all you've really done is write science fiction novels.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
That's that guy.
That's the Scientology guy.
But I'm saying if you wanted to start a church, like a Christian church, What would be the requirements?
If you just say, you know, I've been studying the Bible for 10 years.
I want to teach at a church.
Could you just open up a church?
How does that work?
ron white
You're asking me this like I've done it, but I haven't.
joe rogan
I'm trying to get you to do it.
That's the next thing I'm trying to get you to do.
ron white
Yeah, I know what you're up to.
That's how you manipulate people, Joe.
That's how he built his empire, by the way.
joe rogan
You look like a Jesus-type figure.
What are the requirements, Jamie, if you wanted to start the Church of Jamie?
jamie vernon
This is a perfect question for ChatGPT, I thought, so I asked ChatGPT and there are 12 steps they gave me.
joe rogan
12 steps.
Determine your purpose and beliefs.
Clearly define the purpose and beliefs of your church.
This includes your mission, vision, and core doctrines.
ron white
Okay.
joe rogan
Two, legal structure.
Choose a legal structure for your church.
Options may include becoming a non-profit organization, establishing a religious corporation, or forming a religious association.
Consult legal experts to determine the best structure for your situation.
Name it.
Okay.
So it seems like you just have to, like, get a legal thing, you know, like some sort of an LLC or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
ron white
What you want is the tax-exempt status, and the rest of it doesn't really matter.
You get that tax-exempt status, then you can start hoarding wealth in the name of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints or whatever, and you can hold all these billions of dollars in real estate holdings all under that tax-exempt status.
If they start, you know, this is the only thing that gets me going, is big church.
Big church.
We need to tax big church.
And those pastors, those mega churches, they need to be looked at under the biggest, brightest light you can look at.
Joel Osteen.
Fuck you, Osteen.
I tried.
He said it right here first.
Mattress Max makes a much better...
To me, if you want an example of how Christ wanted us to live, it would be Mattress Max and not Joel Osteen.
joe rogan
I don't know who Mattress Max is.
ron white
Well, he's the guy that bets 10 million bucks on the Astros every year and wins.
This is how he got famous.
That's Mattress Max right there.
During the big floods in Houston just a few years ago, Here's two things that happened.
Mattress Max, people were literally dying in the street.
Mattress Max owned huge furniture stores.
Come up here.
He opened them up.
Sleep on them couches.
I don't care, and I'll find a way to make food for you guys.
And, I mean, people bringing hot dogs and shit down there, making everybody food, slept.
Just make sure you're comfortable.
Make sure you're safe.
And look at it.
This is it.
All these people over at Mattress Max's furniture store, he brought in everybody he could.
But Joel Osteen wouldn't even let him in the door because they just had the carpets redone at his cathedral church, and he didn't want people tracking shit in there.
joe rogan
Didn't he eventually give in, though, and let people stay there?
ron white
I don't think so.
I thought he did.
Well, if he did, he did it for the wrong reason, right?
Mattress Max did that for the right reason.
These people needed to get in out of the cold and wet and whatever.
There he is.
There he is.
joe rogan
He defended not opening Lakewood Church in Houston to Harvey victims.
He defended it.
ron white
Yeah, because that carpet was just cleaned, and look at him.
joe rogan
Bro, that's so crazy.
ron white
First of all...
unidentified
Look at him.
It's so obvious.
joe rogan
Doing something like that is so obvious.
You have a private jet.
It's so obvious.
You have a mansion.
It's so obvious.
How much does that watch?
This is so obvious.
What are you doing?
It's so obvious.
This is not...
jamie vernon
It did eventually.
Correct.
unidentified
Correct.
jamie vernon
Wait, this is even weeks after that post.
joe rogan
The super-duper rich church guy.
It's a fucking crazy thing.
ron white
And you know that I could do it.
I could totally do it.
That would be my calling.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
You should do it.
ron white
That doesn't mean I should do it.
joe rogan
Yes, listen, if you do it, we'll all join.
We all get tax-free something.
We'll work something out.
ron white
Right, and it'll just be us.
Can we bring the 11 million people that listen to your show?
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody under one umbrella.
ron white
Come on, guys.
Come on, get behind this.
We don't even know what it is yet, but we're going to let you know.
joe rogan
That's the thing you can never do today.
Like, imagine trying to start a new country today.
Fuck you.
We would never let you.
ron white
No, uh-uh.
joe rogan
Never.
ron white
No, we'd thumb you.
joe rogan
Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
It's like, just like you trying to start a new religion.
Uh-uh.
Nope.
Nope.
No new countries, no new religions.
We're not hearing it.
Religions have to be old as fuck, so they might be true.
ron white
Right, or at least have some kind of connection to some really ancient text.
joe rogan
Yeah, or the Scientology one, they just threatened to sue.
That was a genius move.
What they did was amazing.
They threatened thousands of lawsuits.
Everyone was going to file a lawsuit.
ron white
They're all lawyers.
The same with the fucking Latter-day Saints guys.
You've got a bunch of lawyers.
joe rogan
You've got to give it up to them.
That's pretty ballsy.
And it worked.
ron white
And you're selling a...
Something that's not easy to sell.
You know, that story, I mean, none of it is.
You know, the stories I believed.
Well, that's why I wrote that beautiful joke that didn't work the other day about the Christians and the lions.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Let me break that down for your listeners.
Because I'm writing, apparently I'm writing my worst stuff right now.
Because now I can write stuff that nobody will laugh at out of 250 people.
250 people don't like it.
But when I was a kid, I was raised in the Baptist Church.
Uncle Charlie, my preacher, when I was little.
But there was a storybook Wasn't the Bible, but it was just something we got in Sunday school and depicted Christians being fed to the lions, which always stuck in my craw that that was a big story, a big deal.
I mean, you know, I know we've all been oppressed, but feeding them to the lions, that's a pretty big deal.
And I really thought it was universal knowledge.
So when they were looking for a new name for the Washington Commanders, I suggested the Christians.
And I thought about this joke for three days, and I thought about the buildup of laughter it was going to get.
It was going to work so well, and they were going to end up changing the name of the comedy club to Ron White's Mothership because of this one joke and how well it worked.
But the way it was going to start, the rumble was going to start, when Detroit comes to town, they're going to make the connections of Detroit, Lions, Lions, Christians, my storybook from my childhood.
And that's the rumble of the really hip laughter.
Because when the Lions get back to the...
That's the next laugh was going to be.
When the Lions meet the Christians on a pleaving playing field, we're, you know...
So...
None of it got a laugh.
None of it worked.
And they stared at me.
And there was a good crowd, too.
They were waiting for the next funny thing that I said.
And that was it.
And I really was expecting it.
And I was never been so wrong about a joke.
joe rogan
Do you think you're just old enough to where you're like over that curve where the Christians and the Lions were more recent than they were before?
ron white
Yeah, I just don't think everybody got that storybook.
joe rogan
Nobody gets that anymore.
ron white
No, I didn't.
Well, obviously.
joe rogan
We used to get it.
I got it.
I got Christians and Lions.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got that connection.
I don't think kids get that connection.
ron white
But you said you would have told me not to do it, which was a lie, because you would have told me to do it, because you want me to try new shit.
joe rogan
I always wanted to.
I was joking around when I said, I would have told you not to do it.
ron white
No, you would have told me to do it, and you would have been wrong.
joe rogan
But you told me it bombed before I ever found out about it.
ron white
It did bombed so bad.
I laughed so hard at how wrong I was.
unidentified
But that's how you fuck around and find out.
joe rogan
Bits are fascinating.
They change their structure on stage.
ron white
I could do five minutes now on why that joke didn't work.
But that would be way more entertaining than the joke ever was.
Show up Tuesday.
joe rogan
Dude, I was watching a video today of this lion gone wrong situation in a circus.
Oh my god.
These people, this lion attacked this dude and they're hitting it with a hose.
I mean, this guy's getting fucked up by this lion.
And they're spraying it with a hose to get it off.
That's how they get it off with a water hose.
And he gets away, and then the lion gets him again.
And the lion gets him again, and they're water-hosed in it, and they're beating it.
ron white
You got footage of this?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's footage of it.
It looks like it's Russian.
If you don't find it, Jamie, I'm 99% sure I saved it on my phone, because it's so fucked up.
But I'd have to go through it, and that would be some dead air.
ron white
Russian hose.
joe rogan
I forget who sent it to me.
ron white
You don't edit these things, do you?
joe rogan
The podcast?
Yeah.
No.
I want it to be like this.
ron white
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I like a little dead air.
This is it.
So, something happens.
ron white
Oh, it's a circus thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, something happens.
This line just decides, E-fucking-nuff.
ron white
Ooh.
joe rogan
I mean, this thing just jacks us, too.
ron white
Yeah, well, that's what happened to, you know.
joe rogan
See, they're spraying them with a hose to try to get them off.
I mean, this guy got fucked up.
I mean, he got fucked up by those lines.
That is so scary.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
To have a thing like that bite you.
Right.
ron white
What are you doing in there?
joe rogan
Are you fucking crazy?
ron white
That's what a Ziegfeld and Ziegfried and Roy.
Ziegfried and Roy.
I can't even think of them.
joe rogan
Ziegfried and Roy.
ron white
That happened in that room that I played at the Mirage.
That was their room, man.
That's where that whole thing went down.
joe rogan
Yeah, it dragged him off.
Bit him by the neck and dragged him off.
ron white
In front of a live audience.
joe rogan
There's all the speculation to why it did it.
All the speculation.
No one knows.
No one knows.
It just decided, I'm going to bite this guy's neck and drag him off.
There was a thought that it was afraid of some woman had feathers on her hat in the audience and that it threw him off.
And I'm like, you really think that fucking tiger's scared of a lady with feathers on her head?
That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, I think he just decided to bite that guy's neck.
But I'm not a tiger.
unidentified
Maybe that guy was being a prick.
ron white
You know, under the guise of being an animal lover, but at night he was like going, don't give him the expensive food and, you know, give him that cheap.
joe rogan
Well, maybe it was probably punishment.
It's probably what they do to the Tigers to get them to listen.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like, what did they do when they were training them?
You know, did they ever cross a line where the Tiger always remembered the time you heard it?
And then it lashes out at you.
Right.
ron white
Yeah, I'm gonna find a fucking opportunity.
I'm gonna sit here.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd think the Tigers won't have...
ron white
It's gonna be served cold, baby.
It's gonna be served cold.
joe rogan
It seems like, for the most part, they got along with those tigers for a long time, though.
That's what's weird.
ron white
They lived at their house, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
Siegfried and Roy, they lived at their house.
They were at one with them.
They fucking cuddled them and loved on them.
joe rogan
And they do say that tigers, when they protect their cubs, that's how they do it.
They grab them by the neck and they drag them off.
But he's just too frail for it to do that, too.
It just fucked him up.
ron white
Yeah, right.
Those were big men, big, strong men.
Yeah.
These guys were weightlifters and circus people, but nothing compared to that fucking lion.
joe rogan
You're not like a cub.
A lion cub, like the way a lion picks up the cub.
It has all the skin, so it grabs all that extra skin.
You don't have any skin, so it just grabs your fucking neck.
ron white
Yeah, it's all vital organs and shit.
It was a shame that he lived a long time as a crippled person.
joe rogan
Well, he did.
He lived several years, right?
It was just a horrible story, man, and that the show was shut down.
Because, like, that's the reality of having tigers on a stage in front of a bunch of people.
Like, you just don't know.
It's just for one reason or another, some crazy person could stand up and freak out and yell, and the thing could just launch itself out of them.
Is this it?
ron white
The question is...
joe rogan
Oh, don't you show it to me, son of a bitch.
jamie vernon
I've been trying to find it.
ron white
What could go wrong?
unidentified
Everything.
ron white
You've got to ask yourself that question.
What could go wrong?
Because that might...
joe rogan
Wait, he was saying something about his diminishing relationship with that lion?
jamie vernon
This is a video from four or five years ago.
I was trying to see if it had an answer to all the questions you guys were asking.
joe rogan
But it said something about his diminishing relationship with it.
Oh my god, he rode it like a horse?
jamie vernon
There's speculation from someone they asked on this.
ron white
Yeah, like an ex-employee or something.
I think I saw that.
He was going...
joe rogan
The tiger and him were not getting along?
jamie vernon
That's, again, it's a speculation.
It says new allegations about the attack, which would have been like 15 years after the attack even happened.
joe rogan
Dude, almost nothing scares me more than animals.
ron white
Right?
joe rogan
I'm so scared of them.
ron white
That's why you go out of your way to kill them when you can.
joe rogan
I'm not scared of those.
ron white
You should be.
Bores?
Don't you hunt boar?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
ron white
Yeah, those things can kill you, Joe.
joe rogan
They definitely can.
Yeah.
They can.
I'm thinking elk more.
The boar thing in Texas is fucking bananas.
ron white
I just love it when they catch them all in them cages.
And then what do they do with it?
Can you eat them?
Is it just pig meat, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pig meat.
ron white
It's just pork?
joe rogan
Oh, it's really good.
ron white
You make really good bacon and shit out of it?
Why are there any homeless, hungry people if we've got those wild boar all over the place?
joe rogan
Wild boar are very good.
Very good.
There's a guy in town, Jesse Griffiths, he owns Dai Due restaurant, and he's a real wild game cooking expert and an amazing chef.
And he has wild boar dishes at his place.
He even teaches people how to hunt wild boars, cook them, and how to hunt them down, how to fire a rifle, the whole deal.
Takes them through the whole thing.
Butcher them, cook them.
ron white
Skin them, eat them, shit them into their commode.
Fuck with me.
joe rogan
He's like, they're delicious.
ron white
Fuck with me.
joe rogan
But it's also, it's not just a renewable resource, but you really, we have an obligation to kill them.
There's too many.
ron white
Yeah, they're fucking up land.
joe rogan
Oh, there's an insane, there's millions and millions of them in Texas.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they keep, they have babies three times a year sometimes.
They can have babies when they're six months old.
ron white
Can I tell you a story about a frog?
Yeah.
I lived on a lake, Lake LBJ, in this house, and there was a frog, big bullfrog.
And he was, lived by my And I would go out there and I would see him and he'd always jump in the water.
and uh and but he was that's where he lived he was always a big old fat thing that this big biggest bullfrog i'd seen and i'd go down there and fish and then they'd come back there and then one night he didn't jump he stayed there and i'm like oh he's not afraid of me anymore the next night i brought a net down and i caught him and i killed him and ate him and i shit him into my toilet and uh and the other frogs went out and told other frogs don't go near there because that's what's going on he's He's just waiting for you to be still.
He's going to kill you and eat you and shit you into his toilet.
You think they figured that part out?
I think they did.
I didn't see any more frogs after that.
After the missing of that one frog.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I bet if you started feeding them, they'd be hanging around.
But if you start killing them...
ron white
Yeah, right.
It's not going to catch on.
joe rogan
Do you think they do a roll call?
They try to figure out where everybody is?
Because some animals do that.
ron white
Do they really?
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe that's what frogs are doing.
unidentified
Uh-oh, where's Toby?
joe rogan
Yeah, what are they doing when they're doing those noises?
Those noises are cool as fuck, by the way.
Have you ever by a lake at night and hear frogs making noises?
Oh, it's so cool.
ron white
I hate them.
unidentified
Really?
ron white
We had those little frogs.
When I lived in Atlanta, you know what we did?
That noise?
That's amazing.
They were bark with a mouth that big on a little frog, barely that big, making this big old loud noise that bugged the shit out of me.
And they were easy to catch.
There was a flashlight because they don't know that you can see them.
And they're making all that racket.
You can just pick them up, put them in a can, and then we would take them.
This guy I didn't like had a pond right behind the house, and we'd go dump them all over there.
And he's like, I don't know.
Frogs around here.
Get fucked.
Yeah, I don't know.
Not over at my house or not.
Yeah, that's one of those little...
joe rogan
This is night music, Ron.
ron white
No, this is not the ones we had.
We had ones where...
joe rogan
We just needed to put together a better band.
ron white
Yeah.
Well, they're going to put that band together over at that pond behind that guy's house, because that's where they all live now.
joe rogan
The thing about frogs, like, they're very predatory.
Like, frogs, have you ever seen frogs in, like, a cage with mice?
It's one of the most disturbing things you'll ever see in your life.
ron white
No, I've never seen that.
joe rogan
This is a giant Asian frog.
I had it on my Instagram.
It's on YouTube.
This is giant, some kind of Asian frog.
That one, the second one down.
The yellow, where he's yellow.
Watch this one.
This one is fucking insane.
This frog's insane.
So they put these little rats.
I can't tell if they're mice or rats.
Those are mice, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
ron white
They look like mice.
joe rogan
Okay, so they put these mice in this fucking...
No, those are rats, man.
Those are little rats.
Yeah, those are rats.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
And then they put this giant frog in there with them.
And I don't know why they're trying to jump and get out, and all of a sudden the frog just decided to start eating them.
ron white
I think...
joe rogan
I think they're just trying to get out.
But look what he does.
He's a monster.
This is like a Star Wars monster.
ron white
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh dude, he eats them all.
ron white
It's Jabba the Hutt!
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
ron white
He eats them all?
joe rogan
This one's not effective.
I think he's probably already full.
Look how fat he is!
They probably filmed these all day long.
ron white
God, how cruel.
unidentified
Is anybody trying to put a stop to this?
joe rogan
Nobody's putting a stop to it.
unidentified
Nobody cares about the rats and the frog world.
joe rogan
Rats or frogs.
Get no respect.
ron white
We'll make that part of our religion.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny, though?
If the rat was eating the frog, I'd be more disturbed.
ron white
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Look at how gross that thing is.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at it.
Look at how big it is.
ron white
I've never even seen a frog shaped like that.
joe rogan
Oh, look at it.
ron white
Slow motion.
Come on over here.
Yeah, let me tell you something.
I've got a little story for you.
joe rogan
It seemed like the rat ran right in there.
Like, fuck it, let's just get this over with.
Oh my god, what a way to die.
With your balls hanging on the chin of a thing that's swallowing you.
Look at those little balls.
ron white
Oh, the last dying quiver.
joe rogan
Oh, bro, he's going to stay alive inside of that thing's gut for quite a while.
ron white
Do not let your children watch this.
This is really, really gross.
joe rogan
So disturbing.
ron white
Yeah.
I'm trying to unsee it, and I can't do it.
I can't do it.
That's what happens.
joe rogan
That's nature, man.
ron white
That's part of the Joe Rogan experience right there.
joe rogan
That's nature.
That's why you shouldn't have crocodiles in the street.
That's why you shouldn't import wolves into your neighborhood.
ron white
That's right.
joe rogan
That's why you shouldn't bring grizzly bears back to California.
Slow down, everybody!
ron white
My mother wants a...
You know how low things got with mom.
Now, I want a cat!
And I'm like, no, mother, you can't have a cat.
Jeannie's allergic to cats.
No, I want one of those Bengal cats.
They're hypoallergenic.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
ron white
For my mother, my 90-year-old mother.
And, yeah, I think they're pretty good-sized cats, like 15, 20 pounds.
And I'm like, no.
She said, I want you to get me a Bengal cat for my 90th birthday.
And I said, Mother, number one, I'm not advancing you any more birthdays.
You've got to show me the number.
You've got to get to the number before you get your 90. I'm not fronting you any 90th birthday.
You have to get to that number to get that present, because you already got them.
You know, you're already advanced all you can.
So...
So if she lives to be 90, she might get them.
Wow.
It's just a few months away.
joe rogan
Am I thinking of the same kind of cat?
Like, which ones are Bengals?
ron white
It's a horrible idea.
joe rogan
There's some of them that are basically like a wild cat.
ron white
Yeah, well, they're not very many generations removed, I think, is the problem.
And I think they're perfectly good cats, but they're really big and they're really a lot of energy.
They're kind of different because you can take them out on a leash and stuff.
My mother doesn't want to do that.
Take your cat on a leash?
Or something.
A little lap dog.
unidentified
Am I fucking this up?
joe rogan
Is it the same thing?
Is a bangle the same thing as those other ones that like...
ron white
No, I think they're called bangle kittens, you know?
Yeah, that's it right there.
jamie vernon
That's just a regular bangle cat.
joe rogan
Okay, so that's a regular cat.
So I'm thinking of that.
I'm thinking of a serval.
ron white
Oh, yeah, no.
joe rogan
Okay, so what is...
A bangle cat's just a cat, right?
Is that just a cat?
ron white
Yeah, but it comes from the bangle tiger.
And, you know, they're just a handful.
You know, it's not like a big old floppy lap cat.
These cats, you know, they're big-time killers.
They've got to be involved in stuff.
They've got a lot of energy.
They're big and strong.
So they're up to like, you know, 15, 20 pounds, I think.
joe rogan
Look at the description.
The Bengal cat is a domesticated cat breed created from a hybrid of the Asian leopard cat with domestic cats, especially the spotted Egyptian mao.
Yeah, there you go.
In my head I was like, I think I fucked up and it's the wrong one.
That one is crazy.
I've seen people have that one as a pet.
You have?
Yeah, yeah.
Did John Jones have one of those as a pet?
ron white
That's just a lion.
joe rogan
Didn't he have a crazy cat?
What does he have?
ron white
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What kind is that?
ron white
That looks like that bingo cat.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it does look more like that than the serval cat.
joe rogan
It says serval, though, doesn't it?
jamie vernon
I typed that in.
I don't...
I was...
joe rogan
Oh.
What kind of fucking cat is that, man?
ron white
I don't know.
Does it have a jacket on?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's kind of like a fucking leash.
That's a big-ass cat.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, I would not...
Donald.
Careful, Donald.
ron white
Mother's 90. That's not what she wants.
She gets so stubborn.
joe rogan
I want a cat.
It could be awesome.
It could be the greatest cat of all time.
Or it could be it decides to fuck you up.
ron white
It could eat her.
She couldn't defend herself if it went nuts on her.
Look at what our story was earlier today in the episode.
People getting eaten by...
Tigers.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
First responders, when they find bodies after people have died in a house with cats, it doesn't take long before the cats start eating.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
They don't give you a whole lot of time before they start eating.
ron white
Oh, mama.
joe rogan
Dogs will wait.
ron white
They will?
joe rogan
Yeah, dogs will wait until they're starving to death.
They're dying.
They don't even associate you with you anymore.
You just meat, and they have to stay alive.
Cats are like, I'm hungry.
I'm gonna eat Ron's lips.
ron white
Right.
Get an eyeball, a nostril.
joe rogan
It's a fascinating relationship that we have to these small animals.
Like I was saying about your beautiful dog, that if you trace the lineage back of that thing, that used to be a wolf.
Somehow or another, they went from wolves to more of a floppy-eared animal to more of an animal that was smaller, and then they figured out how to breed them.
ron white
All the way to a rug that shits.
That's what I own.
That's a rug that shits.
joe rogan
How the fuck did they do that?
So if you die in a home that's locked with animals, those animals will eat you really fast, especially a cat.
Dogs will hold out until they have nothing left to eat, but a cat will remove your head in 24 hours.
unidentified
Wow!
Oh my god!
What kind of loyalty!
ron white
They got over all that love quick.
That cat never loved you.
unidentified
Oh my god!
ron white
If it can eat your head in 24 hours, that cat never loved you.
It was just, I need food, I'm gonna be nice.
jamie vernon
He had a coroner on his podcast.
ron white
Waiting for you to fucking die.
jamie vernon
I think I explained it to him.
joe rogan
Oh, the coroner was telling him?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
I think he asked him, what kind of fucked up shit have you seen?
He's like, animals.
joe rogan
Play that right where you're saying that.
It'll remove your head within 24 hours.
Back it up before that.
unidentified
So if you die in a home that's locked with animals, those animals will eat you really fast.
Especially a cat.
Dogs will hold out.
Until they have nothing left to eat, but a cat will remove your head in 24 hours.
And I'm not talking, I'm talking literally hair on the floor, no head, and nibbling into their chest.
theo von
Even cats that were loved by their owners, or is it just cats that you think had something with the owner, and they're going to say, this is my time?
unidentified
Yeah, no, they're absolutely feeding on you.
I don't care how much you love that cat, and that cat loved you, he's going to eat you.
And I just never imagined that they could do that much damage.
Smaller dogs.
Now, a lab won't.
Labs, for some reason, don't eat their owners.
Unless they're locked in for months, I guess they would.
But I find it more weenie dogs, small dogs, and cats.
Cats don't wait.
And how soon after?
ron white
I don't know.
I don't know if I believe the guy now.
joe rogan
Why?
ron white
Because I bet he has a lab, so he had to say labs wouldn't eat you.
I mean, what makes a lab different than my sweet little Matty?
He's saying Matty would go after you after a little while, but the lab...
Come on.
joe rogan
Yeah, why would they think that the little...
Maybe he means like chihuahuas or something like that.
Or the little Jack Russell Terriers.
They'll fuck you up quick.
But what's the data on that?
The labs really eat you when you're done?
jamie vernon
I think he's just going off of his experience.
I don't know.
I was trying to...
ron white
I don't know where he gets his expertise.
I'm not seeing this on NPR. It's not coming on on my news feed.
jamie vernon
I was also kind of making that point.
When I Googled that and typed it in, it gives me a TikTok fun fact.
That's the fact that Google gave me, which was a fact from Theo's podcast.
That's the top result.
ron white
And they're calling it a fact?
joe rogan
Well, I do know for a fact that cats eat people.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
ron white
Yeah, well, that makes sense.
I mean, people eat people.
joe rogan
I know people who have found people that, where they got, you know, where they're cops, where they found people that were partially eaten by the cats.
That's 100% real.
ron white
That was a fun show.
We did that show for the cops.
joe rogan
That was awesome.
ron white
That was so much fun.
joe rogan
That was awesome.
ron white
Three cops got thrown out.
That's right.
They came to party, folks.
They came to have a good time.
joe rogan
They did come to party.
That was a lot of fun.
That was a good fucking time.
Those people don't get appreciated enough.
ron white
No, and that's the truth.
joe rogan
They don't get appreciated enough.
And if things go south, they're going to be the first people you call and you've been disrespecting them for so long and not appreciating how hard it is what they do for so fucking long.
And that doesn't excuse the bad ones.
That's not...
ron white
No, it doesn't.
joe rogan
It's just you can't lump everybody in with that same group because most of them are great.
ron white
You've got to have these guys.
You have to have them.
You've got to have this team, man.
joe rogan
You have to have them.
ron white
And it ain't the greatest job in the goddamn world, and it sure is dangerous.
And some of them thrive on that kind of environment, and that's great.
I don't.
And so I need...
It was so cool to be able to make them laugh that hard because we had the death of that...
Cobb not too long ago, that's been a pretty dour place to work.
That's what the guy was telling me, the chief of police.
They hadn't been laughing.
That really got everybody down and kept them down.
joe rogan
Of course.
ron white
So that was cool.
That was so much fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was fun.
It was real fun to do.
Yeah, it's, you know...
ron white
We should have started a church that night.
We could have started.
We'd have a police force.
joe rogan
We've got to plant these seeds carefully.
ron white
That's right.
joe rogan
And this is what we're doing today on the podcast.
We're planting seeds.
You can't just go out there and just dig a trench.
Then the government starts getting involved quickly.
We've got to, like, slowly plant seeds.
ron white
Based on a story of love.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
And mutual respect.
joe rogan
It would be great if we could buy into a franchise like Chick-fil-A. You know what I mean?
ron white
In and out burgers.
joe rogan
Just buy into something.
It's pre-existing.
ron white
Our challenge is going to be to start it from scratch.
joe rogan
Yeah, just the Church of Ron White, just from scratch, it's going to be under a lot of scrutiny.
ron white
No, dude, it's a Joe Rogan, Ron White church.
I ain't doing this by myself, man.
joe rogan
But it's kind of funny.
It really is kind of funny that if we did just both of us become Christian and then open up a Christian church, no problems at all.
ron white
You know, I got like three million followers.
I wonder how far they would actually follow if I started leading...
joe rogan
You don't even want $3 million.
If you get $300,000 to move into a town that you've created in the middle of the desert.
ron white
Right, right.
joe rogan
I mean, that's that Portland movie, the Netflix series, Wild Wild Country.
They literally bought into a town.
ron white
And it wasn't that bad.
I think it was you that said that.
They always sound pretty good.
You're like, I can do this.
Then it gets soared.
Nobody can handle that kind of power and that kind of focus of energy.
Yeah, you're the guy.
It corrupts.
It just corrupts.
joe rogan
They're literally bestowing the Word of God and the meaning of life and the meaning of the universe in front of their loyal following.
unidentified
Right.
ron white
This guy's got 31 Rolls Royces, by the way.
And they're just happy when he gets another one.
joe rogan
He was funny, though.
He was the funny dude.
ron white
Oh, yeah.
He was.
I would have listened for a while, you know?
joe rogan
You ever hear that famous thing that he said about democracy?
You remember?
It's by people.
But the people are retarded.
unidentified
So you get this fucking guru.
You get this guru saying that everyone's retarded.
joe rogan
You gotta see this.
This was the dude.
This was the fucking dude.
unidentified
Because democracy basically means government By the people.
Of the people.
ron white
And he works slower than I do.
unidentified
Of the people.
joe rogan
He does.
He does, but it's good.
unidentified
People are retarded.
Yes, they are.
ron white
Yes, they are.
joe rogan
No, he goes on even further.
This is a small version of it.
He continues on.
Does the government...
Of the retarded, for the retarded.
Yeah, he goes into this whole thing.
And this is the guru that was running that town up there.
That was the guy.
ron white
And he was the guy with 31 Rolls Royces, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was balling out of control.
ron white
He was balling out of control.
joe rogan
He probably would have pulled it off if it wasn't for Sheila.
Sheila was so ruthless.
She's terrifying.
ron white
She was the one that got the guns out.
joe rogan
She was the one that poisoned the whole town.
ron white
I didn't know the town.
Oh, the city.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
Not them.
joe rogan
No, they poisoned like a salad bar or something, didn't they?
Didn't she do something like that?
ron white
They blew something up.
joe rogan
They did a bunch of shit.
They brought in homeless people for votes.
I mean, they went wild.
They went wild in the end.
They brought in homeless people and buses so the homeless people would become part of their community and they'd have more votes.
And then they took over the fucking town.
And then they're like, adios, homeless fucks.
And they kicked the homeless people out.
unidentified
Government by the retarded.
For the returnage of the returnage.
joe rogan
I mean, that dude believes what he's saying.
unidentified
Democracy cannot be...
ron white
I believe what he's saying.
unidentified
The highest possibility men can attain.
jamie vernon
He just blinked for the first time.
I was asking if he hasn't blinked.
ron white
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's probably the real deal.
He's probably the real deal.
He had Sheila behind him, and she just got crazy and started killing folks.
ron white
Too many Rolls Royces to keep it out of the news, you know.
You've got a couple of them, man.
31. But if you're the real deal...
joe rogan
If you really are a super guru and you want 30 Rolls Royces, I think you can do it in that space.
ron white
Yeah, in that space.
joe rogan
In the Christian space, I don't think so.
ron white
They're doing it!
They got Gulfstream 650s, you know, you can buy 30 Rolls Royces.
joe rogan
I'm just saying it's harder to connect with the message.
ron white
Cheaper, right.
joe rogan
There's something about that dude, the way he's willing to talk.
Like, that guy Osho, his book is really brilliant.
There's an audio version of one of his books that I got into.
It's interesting, man.
His thoughts are very interesting.
He had 93 cars.
It's only 93, Ron.
ron white
93?
joe rogan
He only had 93 cars.
He loved his Rolls Royces.
ron white
He did.
But right, you know, if he's the guy, you want him to have everything.
If you believe he's the guy...
joe rogan
This is what I believe.
I think you can be both.
I think you can be this crazy, 93 Rolls Royce-having fucking lunatic who lives in a castle that's made out of diamonds in the sky.
And you got money from your followers.
And also...
To be tuned into the real thing.
The real energy of the universe.
ron white
I think you can.
joe rogan
I think you can.
I think you can dance.
ron white
I think that power corrupts absolutely.
joe rogan
For most people.
For most people.
But if you're a real super guru.
Like a hedonist super guru.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
Because one of the things about a lot of those crazy super guru type characters, there's always some sexual aspect to it.
It's always some sexual freedom and sexual expressing.
And they fucking hook, line, and sink or believe in that shit.
ron white
Right, like that guy that owned that building that you almost bought for no reason.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ron white
Exactly.
joe rogan
The Ron White recommendation.
Ron White recommended that I buy a cult building and I listened to him.
ron white
Yeah.
See?
See?
joe rogan
It would have worked!
ron white
It would have worked.
That was a cool building, and it would have worked.
You would have made it work, that's for sure.
We'd all supported it, and it would have been fine.
joe rogan
It wouldn't have been as good, though.
Location-wise, it wouldn't have been as good.
ron white
This turned out to be heaven, so we can't second-guess anything that went down before it or after it or whatever.
joe rogan
I feel like it lined up in the exact correct order.
Like, the universe opened up all the doors in the exact correct order.
I feel like the failed experiment with that other place, or the frustration in having it not come together, was a good Like a lesson, a good lesson in how real estate deals can go and all the issues with property.
ron white
Right, how careful you need to be.
joe rogan
There's a lot of stuff going on when you're buying stuff.
And sometimes you've got to experience a failed deal and go, okay, that didn't work.
Maybe this is better.
ron white
And you were kind of impetuous, so you needed something to slow you down a little bit because you were going pretty nuts.
I mean, I talked to you one day, you were thinking about moving to Austin, and the next day you lived there, you had a house on the lake, you moved your studio, and I'm like, God damn, this guy moves!
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not interested in half-assing things.
ron white
No, no, no, no.
You moved right along with it.
joe rogan
That's the fun part about it.
A change like that is a big deal.
ron white
Well, if you look at it, and I'm pretty emotional about the mothership, but if you look at it, it was the only thing.
That could have got me where I am today.
No other vehicle would have worked.
Because I wouldn't have been interested in it.
I would have been interested in me being alone and isolating myself and all those things.
But the mothership was that thing that was so delicious and so perfect for what I needed.
At that point in my life, I think the universe used you just to get me...
Back out of this fucking hole that I was in.
You know where I was at.
I was in a shitty fucking place and I didn't know what to do.
I didn't know where to go.
I didn't know what to do with my emotions.
I didn't know what to do with my doubting everything about my talent and all this stuff.
So...
Nothing else would have got me where I am today.
No other combination of things.
There wouldn't have been an open mic night in Webster, wherever, that I would have gone to with any interest at all and really started to fall back in love with the art of doing stand-up and be able to do all those reps.
That doesn't exist anywhere else.
That's what happens at the mothership.
You can go in there and sharpen the fucking blade.
You want to see what I'm doing to these crowds on the road?
I'm beating the fuck out of them.
I'm having a blast, except I still hate to travel, but...
You know.
joe rogan
We're real lucky.
We're real lucky.
And like I said, I feel like the universe opened up all the right doors at all the right time.
ron white
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And put it all together in this perfect way.
And we all benefit from having all of us here together, for sure.
It 100% benefits your act.
100%.
Benefits your joke writing and the amount of fun that you have in life.
ron white
And how hard we laugh in that green room.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
The amount of fun you have in life.
It's the most fun.
ron white
And the best thing about the green room is how restrictive it is.
You just can't go in there.
You've got to earn that spot in the treehouse.
So anytime you open the door, you'll see...
You know, some of the best comics alive sitting there talking about stand-up comedy and writing jokes and laughing and having a good time, but that's our fuckin'...
Little space, man, and it is the greatest thing on earth.
joe rogan
One of the worst things that happens in green rooms, what Ron's talking about, is like, you'll be in a green room and a bunch of agents will walk in and start talking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Especially in LA, it used to happen all the time.
They all wanted to go in the green room.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they'd go in the green room, and I've done shows before, like at these big theaters, and there's people, I don't even know who they are.
They're all hanging around the green room.
unidentified
I'm like, okay, I don't even, who are you guys?
joe rogan
It doesn't happen so much anymore, but in the past, it was quite annoying.
ron white
I've played big venues out near California.
The guys I didn't even know from APA and CAA or whoever the fuck I was with.
And the people from my office that I didn't even know, they're all back there in the green room trying to prove to me that they're earning some kind of fucking money I'm sending them or whatever.
But that doesn't happen at the comedy mothership.
It's just us talking about it.
Really nobody knows much more about the business of this than we do.
We feed off each other.
joe rogan
It's like we 100% feed off each other.
ron white
And this wasn't designed to be a commercial for the mothership, but it sounds like one.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're both super lucky.
All of us are.
Not just us in this room, but all of us together that we're all in on this together.
Because that's what it is.
It's like we got a spot where we can all fuck around.
And we have a lot of other spots in Austin now because of that.
And along with that.
ron white
Right.
And basically it makes the mothership a very proper name for that place, for that club.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
Because everything else kind of feeds off of it.
joe rogan
That was the idea.
Well, there was a bunch of other names that I had for it, but that was the idea.
What I liked about that one is that we all do travel, and we're all stuck in this thing.
If you're a stand-up and you want to go on the road, you've got to go places.
ron white
But to have a place to go back to where you can keep your skills without traveling, that's what doesn't exist anywhere else.
joe rogan
Well, that's what made me realize what we were missing when we came here.
When we first came here, we were at the Vulcan.
It was great, but it was a great place.
I love Nick and everybody that worked there, but it wasn't set up perfect.
It was hard to get around.
You had to go downstairs to get on stage.
There was a lot of annoying shit about it that was kind of goofy, the way it was set up.
It's a great room to perform in.
The acoustics are fun.
ron white
It rattles.
joe rogan
But I was like, we need the setup to be correct.
And if we can get the setup completely correct, just do it absolutely the way a comic would want it to be done.
Just do everything the way the comic.
Make it everything so it's like the fucking easiest ride ever for the comics.
unidentified
They come in, we go to the back, hey, up to the stairs.
ron white
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just easy, fun.
Everybody's gonna have a good time.
Let's go have fun.
Let's have fun.
And that's what we needed, because we were on the road all the time.
And when you're on the road all the time, it's like you're in these places, you're only gonna be there for a couple of nights, you're doing your stand-up with a couple friends you came with, then you go back home, and then you wait until you go somewhere else again.
You don't have a home base.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
To touch in, like, Ron, why?
That was Cincinnati.
Right.
No, no, no.
Those Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the shit, man.
ron white
They are.
joe rogan
They're the shit.
ron white
They are.
You know, and it was kind of like it was at the store for a while.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
You know, when we were all supporting it at the same time and, you know, the crowds were, you know, it was always packed because they knew they were going to get a show they couldn't get any other time for any price.
That show doesn't exist anywhere else.
And the other night we did a show and it was me and you and Shane Gillis and Jim Norton.
That guy makes me laugh harder than anybody.
Theo Vaughn came in.
It was all in one night at the Comedy Mothership.
Crowd doesn't know.
We don't even know.
You don't even know who's all going to show up on the show.
Night, but there's always room.
If you're one of the big Kamaya Mayas, we'll make room.
We'll always make room for you.
joe rogan
And it's just fun.
It's just a real fun environment.
It's a real fun place to fuck around.
And now that we have that, It makes it easier for us.
It makes it easy for you to do this tour you're doing.
It makes it for all of us.
ron white
It's just a place to keep your chops.
And I don't care if you're doing short sets or long sets.
You need to be doing sets.
Because it keeps that familiarity with you and that audience.
And it keeps that all secondary.
It's something that you don't even think about.
It's what you do it every goddamn day.
And that's what you should do.
And it doesn't matter if you're on the stage for...
For 15 minutes or an hour and 15 minutes, it's just that you've got to get on stage and talk to those people, just so it's second nature to you.
Because if you don't do it for a while, it's not.
You think about it.
We don't think about sets before we walk on stage at the mothership.
It's just what we do all the time.
joe rogan
But you remember what it was like when we took all those months off for COVID, then you did stand up again.
ron white
Fuck, I was horrible!
I couldn't believe how bad I was, and I didn't even know.
That was the big question is, for me, was I didn't know what I was so good at that made it special to watch.
You know, I didn't, because I was just doing an impression of myself in that I didn't have...
That confidence and all those things that come from knowing what's going to happen when you walk on stage.
joe rogan
I saw your first setback at the Vulcan.
You fucking killed.
ron white
Fuck, it was awful.
joe rogan
You fucking killed.
You're out of your mind.
You're out of your mind.
You got big laughs.
I think it just didn't feel comfortable for you.
I think you didn't feel like you were killing because it didn't feel comfortable because you just haven't done it in so long.
I think that's all it is.
But for the audience member, you killed.
ron white
If you look at that set versus my 15-minute set that I'm doing now, what you were talking about the other night, that timing and all that stuff is back to sharp, you know, how I got here stuff, you know?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
ron white
And that's all growth that comes from fucking doing reps.
It's definitely a gem, that's for sure.
And if you work out, you see the results, and if you don't, you don't.
joe rogan
I think it's just like golf.
It's just like everything.
ron white
It's something I understand and I love.
And if you only played golf with idiots.
joe rogan
Right.
You'd never fucking really learn to play golf.
ron white
Yeah, and you'd be going, I'm so great.
It's better for you to hang out with guys that can hit the ball further than you.
That's fine.
That's fine.
Because you can still beat those guys.
joe rogan
If you're lucky.
ron white
If you're smart.
joe rogan
There's always in groups of guys, there's always the one guy who's the dominant golf player, right?
ron white
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that used to be me all the time, but now when I play, now I've got these friends that, you know, that are fucking pros.
joe rogan
Is that a reps thing?
Is that just a reps thing?
Or is there a certain characteristic that some people have that makes them, like, really good at golf?
ron white
I think that some people are born with an innate ability for athletics, you know, and some people aren't.
You can try to get to that place as hard as you want to.
Like John Daly.
He's a gifted athlete.
No matter what he had done, he would have been great at it.
But he chose to do it with golf.
His situation at home was real fucked up.
Abusive father.
Horrible shit.
Just horrible shit.
I know a lot about him.
I've spent a lot of nights drinking with him.
But he had these hands, man.
And this ability to turn his back to his target and just keep going.
And it generated literally no one had ever seen anybody do what John Daly did when he first came on the scene.
The other pros were going out to the driving range going, watch this!
And he's hitting the ball 75 yards past everybody and hitting the middle of the fairway with it.
But he was so self-destructive.
That he could manage it to some point.
I don't know.
And John doesn't know either, I'm sure.
But he won two majors, which most people that...
Play professional golf or never win one or never win a tournament.
Most people that have a card to play on the PGA Tour never win on the PGA Tour.
So he didn't do earth-shattering stuff like Tiger did as far as the numbers go, but he just had that natural ability, and his son is just like him, which is kind of a weird thing because that father-son thing doesn't mesh up.
And who knows if it ultimately will, but his son's got a pocket full of money, bets with everybody there.
He's about 16.
No, he's in college now, so he's quite a player, and he's got his dad's backswing.
Damn.
joe rogan
So it's genetic.
ron white
Well, some of it's got to be, you know.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Man, I would imagine.
ron white
Yeah, there he is, right there.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
ron white
That's who I play golf with.
joe rogan
With their fucking belts.
ron white
Yeah.
They won the Father-Son tournament.
They beat Tiger and his kid.
joe rogan
Bro, how great are John Daly's pants?
ron white
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at those pants.
Those are so classic.
ron white
Yep, and you can...
joe rogan
Little skulls all over them.
ron white
Those green alligator shoes.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
ron white
He's one of a kind, that's for sure.
joe rogan
One of a kind.
One of a kind.
How many Diet Cokes do you say he drinks a day?
ron white
Well, he drinks, oh boy, he just drinks so much.
But he drinks Diet Cokes and chocolate milk, and he doesn't really eat.
And then he drinks vodka by the Galabalans.
joe rogan
Diet Coke and chocolate milk.
ron white
Chocolate milk.
I've stayed in the same house with him before, and he's also, oddly enough, he's a neat freak.
He gets up in the morning and he'll make breakfast for everybody that's in the golf fucking complex there, like four rooms or whatever.
He's up in the morning vacuuming, shining stuff up.
It's not even his job to do it.
But he's a neat freak and he loves to cook for people.
And at night he'll sing songs and play guitar until you're so bored with it you can't stand yourself.
But it's a hoot.
It's a show.
But in the refrigerator, gallons of milk and a chocolate, a Hershey's chocolate squirt bottle.
He makes it up himself, you know.
unidentified
So he makes his own chocolate and he stirs it.
ron white
And then Diet Cokes and then cigarettes, you know, one after another.
joe rogan
Pull that back up, Jamie, with the statistics that you were showing.
The statistics he was just showing about how many cigarettes and Diet Cokes he drank in one game.
jamie vernon
This is a daily diet.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Yeah, but that one image that you had on the other page, you had...
There it is.
John Daly smoked 21 cigarettes and drank 12 cans of Coke and no water at a PGA Tour event.
John Daly once smoked 21 cigarettes and drank 12 cans of Coke at a Tour event with no water.
The controversial golfer is known among fans for a somewhat different style to...
Today's fitness-obsessed stars.
So if he drank 12 Coca-Colas, though, you do have to think, like, that is a lot of energy and a lot of sugar.
ron white
Yeah, and this guy doesn't practice...
Ever.
At golf.
Really?
No.
He'll go out there and he'll hit sand wedges.
And he'll hit maybe four of them.
And go straight to the tee box.
Whether he's playing a professional tour event or playing with everybody.
And he tells me, just hit some sand wedge.
You've got to hit that.
If you can hit that solid, you can hit them all solid.
Just do that.
There's no sense working your way through a bag and spending all goddamn day.
Because you're trying to get loose, not better.
We're playing, right?
You don't have time to get better.
You just got time to get loose.
Get loose with one club.
But that's just how much ability he's got.
Most of these guys, they take this shit serious every goddamn day of their life.
Hours and hours and hours a day go into nothing but preparing.
He spends no time at all.
And he doesn't win very much, but he makes a lot of noise, and he lives life the way he wants to, and he's so unapologetic.
joe rogan
And he's kind of a hero because of it.
ron white
Yeah, he's totally a hero, and he should be.
He is a living legend of athletic fucking superiority.
And there he is, Hooters.
There's his endorsement right there.
He loves Hooters.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
ron white
Yeah, for years and years I'd go to the Masters and I'd park my bus right next to his bus at the Hooters and go down and watch the game.
And he would make a fortune because people go to that tournament to see golf, right?
But those guys aren't available.
They don't stick around signing autographs and do shit like that.
John does.
So he's got a merch tent set up at the Hooters.
And he'll do $400,000 worth of business in a week.
Just sitting there signing stuff, flags, whatever, taking pictures.
He hustles that parking lot and does it every year.
He's always out there.
He's nice anyway.
And he likes fans.
And he'll talk to you about anything, anybody.
Wow.
And, you know, if he's in a good mood, if he's in a shitty mood, maybe not, but he still gets it, you know, because he gambles a lot, so he never has, I don't think he ever had a big surplus of money.
He had some big deals from Callaway, but I think, you know, he was playing slot machines, a thousand bucks a pull.
All the time.
So he's always had to hustle on the side, but he gets it done.
Now he's got a vodka drink, kind of like the Arnold Palmer, except it's got booze in it.
It's called John Daly.
Selling the shit out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, what is the John Daly?
What's the mixture?
Arnold Palmer is lemonade and iced tea, right?
jamie vernon
I think then you had some vodka, I would imagine.
Is that what it is?
ron white
Yeah, vodka.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
ron white
I quit drinking that about three years ago.
Kid Rock hangs out there all the time.
They're really good buddies and he plays golf.
It's just not a great golf course either.
It's just one we all go to.
It's got good greens and we have a fun time out there.
And they'll be banging on the door of my bus.
We're going to the teddy bar!
I'm like, dude, what part of I don't drink anymore do you not understand?
No, I'm not going to the teddy bar with you and Kid Rock and once you guys jacked with strippers till dawn.
jamie vernon
Hilarious.
ron white
So now they don't talk to me much.
joe rogan
Those fucking guys, when they sober up, the party's all gone.
ron white
Right, that's right.
Yeah, I read something the other day that said if you quit drinking That doesn't automatically Make you no fun.
That's a separate decision you have to make.
joe rogan
That's very well put.
ron white
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Very well put.
I know a lot of comics that stopped drinking.
Like, Dave Attell, I think, is the best example of a guy who stopped drinking and just got way better.
Like, he was always hilarious.
He was always an amazing comic.
He's always been fun.
But I think it was just taking a toll on his body.
And then when he quit, it's like all of a sudden he had energy again.
He was writing a shit ton of great material.
I think he's at, like, his highest level ever now, and he hasn't drank in a long time.
ron white
Yeah, a long time.
joe rogan
He just keeps getting better.
ron white
Years and years.
But, you know, he was out of control, though.
I mean, he was...
joe rogan
For a little bit.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he had that show.
ron white
Insomniacs, right?
And that was true.
I mean, that's what he would do every night.
I worked with him.
I ended up doing a bunch...
I went to the Montreal Comedy Festival, and he and I, we didn't know each other, and we were doing a bunch of shows at the...
At the Dirty Show or whatever it was.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
ron white
There were like 12 shows in a week.
And so we met.
That's back when he drank and I drank.
And so we were fast friends.
And I thought he was funny as fuck.
You know, I had never seen any of it.
And I just fucking loved to tell.
And he's so much fun to hang out with.
joe rogan
He's one of the best of all time.
ron white
But he would come through town.
And boy, after the show, he's gone.
You know, he goes into a dark netherworld of, you know, whatever's going on down there.
He finds it.
And, you know, so...
But he didn't do anything.
I mean, he quit everything.
He got sober.
When people go, I heard you quit getting fucked up, I'm like, eh, you heard it wrong.
joe rogan
You just quit drinking.
ron white
There's more than one way to skin a cat is the way I look at it.
joe rogan
I think the way you're skinning it right now is the best way.
ron white
Fuck yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
It's the best way.
It makes for the most fun.
ron white
I feel really good about all the decisions I made that got me to where I am right this minute as far as liquor goes.
I didn't...
joe rogan
It makes for the most fun.
The situation we're in right now makes for the most fun.
If they would just hurry up and decriminalize mushrooms and things along those lines.
ron white
Yeah, because then we'd start doing mushrooms.
But as long as they're against the law, we don't do them.
unidentified
Exactly.
ron white
We're against it.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
ron white
We put a stop to it.
In fact, we're part of the mechanism.
joe rogan
Imagine if it's the only thing that can really get us out of this, but we're all so dismissive of it.
Sounds like Looney Tunes, right?
But if you could give mushrooms to every living human being on this planet all in one day, we could sort a lot of shit out.
ron white
That's what Hicks said.
It was our accelerator pad to our evolution, you know.
joe rogan
But he was a big Terence McKenna fan, and he quoted Terence McKenna in his act.
And Terence McKenna was the guy who came up with that theory that the reason why human beings evolved is from mushrooms.
ron white
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
It's called the stoned ape theory.
It's a crazy theory.
What is it?
Feral scientists recommending easing restrictions on marijuana.
Oh, I did see that.
Yeah.
They want to make it Schedule 3, so it has some medicinal uses.
ron white
Shrooms or weed?
joe rogan
That's just weed.
That's weed first.
They're never going to give it to you all at once.
It's just too revolutionary.
ron white
Well, Texas, you know, we still don't even have Mercy weed.
joe rogan
You can't get weed if you have cancer, if you're dying of cancer?
ron white
I don't think so.
Not in Texas.
joe rogan
There's no medical weed in Texas at all?
jamie vernon
It's like 0.3% you could get if you're dying next week or something.
ron white
Right, which is kind of weird because, you know, not that I... I mean, you would buy...
The edibles that you can buy are THC edibles.
But that law passed because they didn't understand the law because they were going by weight of something.
But they didn't realize that they're saying, okay, these gummies are 14%.
So they're trying to fight it now.
But right now it's legal to buy that.
And then something that's just light pot, like one milligram or whatever off, they sell that.
Delta 9. Delta 9. I don't smoke it because, you know, it's classified as marijuana and I would never do anything illegal.
Good for you.
joe rogan
Well, I witnessed Brian Simpson take a few of those gummies.
ron white
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
And they were supposed to be very mild.
And he was very upset at how fucked up he was.
He was very upset.
He was like, this is outrageous.
ron white
He was shocked.
He couldn't.
jamie vernon
Does smelling salts wake anybody up out of that?
I've never tried.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a good question.
That's a solid question, Jamie.
What was the question?
He said smelling salts wakes someone up out of like a weed stupor.
unidentified
Of stupor.
ron white
Yeah, it will because I've used those ones that are on the table in the green room.
unidentified
Did you?
ron white
Yeah, have you ever get too stoned to do a set and then you just pick up one of those salts and just jerk you right out of it for a minute?
joe rogan
You've only taken the ones that we have at the mothership then.
ron white
The what?
joe rogan
You've never had the smelling salts here.
ron white
No.
joe rogan
Oh, this is significantly stronger.
ron white
Here at the...
joe rogan
The stuff that we have here in the studio versus the stuff that we have in the green room.
The stuff we have in the green room is kind of old.
So when you open it, you've really got to get your nose in there.
Really dig in.
This motherfucker will knock your dick into the dirt.
ron white
What makes you think I want my...
joe rogan
Nah, I wouldn't say you do.
ron white
Dick knocked into the dirt.
joe rogan
It's worth experiencing because it's so potent.
It's shocking.
ron white
Wait a minute.
Let me get ready.
joe rogan
You got any freshies?
jamie vernon
There's still four, I think, fresh ones here.
joe rogan
Well, let me see how bad...
Do we have these in any chronological order?
All right.
Let me grab one.
I'll see what we got.
jamie vernon
I'd say probably that one.
I'm sure that's definitely going to do the job.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
We'll see what's up.
ron white
He's got frogs in here.
joe rogan
Let me see what's up.
Here we go.
jamie vernon
You'll know which one's stronger right away.
unidentified
Oh, that's probably pretty good then.
jamie vernon
That works.
joe rogan
This one's very legit.
unidentified
Okay.
ron white
Yeah, I'm not going to do it.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
You need to.
joe rogan
You need to now.
ron white
I don't want whatever caused you to look like you just looked like you were about to...
joe rogan
I feel great.
I feel great now.
ron white
Give me...
All right.
Let me...
joe rogan
Right now, I feel great.
I don't know if that would...
I think it would help.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
ron white
Yeah, we don't have any...
This is the glove.
joe rogan
I'm talking about...
Oh!
ron white
Yeah!
joe rogan
That's what...
I don't like when people talk shit about how easy smelling salts are.
I'm like, oh, you've never had real smelling salts.
ron white
I've never been this awake in my life.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm talking about.
ron white
Oh, man, I'm going to do one up on the other side.
joe rogan
Shout out to that dude, Juju Mufu, right?
Am I saying it right?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Shout out to him for creating the greatest smelling salts in the history of the world.
Did you go in for a second?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, you fucking animal.
jamie vernon
He only got it in one side.
unidentified
He's an animal.
ron white
He only went up one side if I had to get that other side.
joe rogan
I thought he was going to leave the show.
ron white
Oh, man, I was...
joe rogan
I was worried you were going to get mad and leave the show.
ron white
That was like meth.
joe rogan
That's very potent.
ron white
That's what it feels like going down.
joe rogan
Well, this guy who created this is like this crazy power-lifted dude.
ron white
But there's no after-effect of it, is there?
joe rogan
No.
I don't think you should do it too often.
ron white
I just did it once every 10 seconds.
joe rogan
It's not making me any smarter.
ron white
Yeah, okay.
unidentified
All right.
ron white
Well, I don't have anywhere to go but fucking up.
joe rogan
All of us have nowhere to go but up.
That's what AI is all about.
But I think it's probably not good.
That's that guy.
He created it.
Look at the body on that son of a bitch.
Look at the crazy shit he can do.
Full splits in between chairs while holding up.
ron white
It looks like Josh Blue.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
Not in that picture.
joe rogan
Dude's a crazy athlete.
That is absolutely ridiculous strength to be able to do that, and that's preposterous.
So a lot of those powerlifter dudes, they take a big blast of this shit before they lift.
ron white
Okay, let's say I want to look like that, but I'm 67, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
ron white
How many hours a day would I have to dedicate of my life No bullshit.
I mean, of course, I could never get to that.
joe rogan
No, you couldn't get to that.
But no bullshit.
You could change your entire body with weightlifting and steroids in a year.
We would get you to a Russian scientist, and they'd hook you up with the latest fucking greatest top shelf.
Like, if we had a project.
Like, did you ever see that documentary, Icarus?
It's a great...
ron white
Icarus.
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Brian Fogel's...
It's his, right?
Brian Fogel's...
Why did I freeze there?
Brian, who also did Dissident, which is another amazing documentary, but Brian did this race.
He did it completely clean, and then he was going to get this Russian doping guy to tell him what to take, and then he was going to do the same race the next year juiced up.
He was doing it for a documentary to show what the difference is.
He's not competitive like he could win.
He's a very good cyclist, though.
So in the middle of this process of going through this thing with this Russian guy, it comes out that the Russians cheated in the Sochi Olympics.
And so when they cheated in the Olympics, they used piss that was like fake piss.
They like smuggled piss through a hole in the wall.
And this guy was a part of the whole program and he's in this documentary.
unidentified
And these were cyclists?
joe rogan
No.
He's a cyclist.
He gets doped up for this documentary.
This is what he's doing.
So in getting doped up with steroids and EPO, he's talking to this guy who's the head of this Russian anti-doping agency, who's really just...
They're just Russian doping.
Everyone's doped.
And this guy tells him everything.
He spills the beans on the whole program.
And now the guy's in the fucking witness protection plan.
They've got him, like, shuttle all around the country to keep him alive.
Russia wants them dead.
They juiced the whole Olympic team.
And this guy, Brian, got very lucky and caught it in the middle of it happening.
So it's just dumb luck that the Russians get busted for doping while he's doing a documentary on doping with the guy who did the fucking doping.
ron white
And he didn't have anything to do with them getting exposed.
joe rogan
No, not at all.
What happened was they used these jars that were supposed to be impregnable, right?
So there's these jars, you would urinate into the jar, and then once they had your sample, it would be sealed in a way that no one could open.
Well, they found these micro-scratches that are all over the inside of these supposedly sealed jars that led them to believe that someone had figured out a way to hack into that and open these things.
And they realized that the Russians had figured out a way, with a new piece of equipment, they engineered, they got their own bottles, and they engineered a tool that would allow them to open it up, and then they would put it back on.
So they would go, and they would take the piss out, and they would bring it in with a new bottle.
And the new bottle was filled with clean piss.
And so there's literally, they had a hole in the wall, literally had a hole in the wall where they were swapping out the clean piss for the dirty piss.
Look at this, they have an official urine sample room, hole in storage space, and in the storage space is where they had all the clean urine.
And they got busted while this guy was doing it.
So if we got that guy, that Russian, to turn you into a fucking stud, we need about 16 months.
We need about 16 months.
ron white
But do we really need a Ron White that's all amped up on that?
joe rogan
We don't need that.
No.
We don't need that.
But if you ever want to go that way.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You don't need that.
But just like, you know, you don't need to play golf.
ron white
Yeah.
Well, I'm the one that asked the question.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's a fair question.
It's like, how long would it take?
I mean, you're not obese.
You're fit because you walk around a lot.
You're doing a lot of golf.
You're playing a sport all the time.
So you're active.
ron white
I stretch for that game, so I'm pretty limber for a 67-year-old.
joe rogan
That game looks like it would really benefit from rotational work.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you ever do it with a trainer or do you do cables?
ron white
No.
Everything I do in my golf swing right now I do to avoid two tears I've got in my shoulders.
But for the most part, it doesn't hurt to make that, because everything stays connected.
It's when I do like this that they really hurt.
joe rogan
Have you ever done stem cells?
ron white
Yeah, well, with the same guys with Ways to Well folks.
And it's better than it was, because before, I couldn't do that at all, and now I can.
And it doesn't really hurt that bad.
But before, if I got it to there and just pushed it back a little bit, it not only hurt, it hurt when I quit doing it.
And still, it's not exactly right.
joe rogan
It's not exactly right.
I have a plan that can help you tremendously that I use for my shoulders.
I have no affiliation with this company.
It's called Crossover Symmetry.
I bought it.
I bought it online.
I think I bought it on Amazon.
I had one at home and one at the gym.
It's a bunch of different cords.
They attach to posts.
And they have these cables, and some of them are like 10 pounds, some of them are 15 pounds, some of them are 25 pounds.
And they give you a plaque, and the plaque has a series of different exercises for your shoulders, all for shoulder strength.
It makes a giant difference.
A giant difference.
So you use these cables and it's not hard work.
You're not like lifting heavy weight or anything like this.
This is like rehabilitation and strength work.
So on the last ones, you are getting like a good pump, but it's very controlled.
It's very controllable.
And in the process, you're strengthening your shoulders.
You're strengthening all the things that are not that strong, which is why you're probably getting injured in the first place.
Unless it's some sort of a catastrophic situation.
For the most part, people get injured because their shoulders just aren't in good condition.
ron white
No, I fell when I was I was young off a cliff into a pool that was 78 feet.
Hamilton's Pool, right over here in Austin, Texas.
And I landed not like you should land.
joe rogan
Okay, so it was catastrophic.
ron white
And it ripped everything.
It sprained both wrists and my shoulders.
But I never had it looked at.
It was just bad for a long time.
Then I had it just a few years ago in Beverly Hills.
I had them do a CAT scan or whatever the fuck.
joe rogan
MRI, probably.
What'd they say?
ron white
It said he got tears in both of them.
There.
That's where I fell, right here.
It was 78 feet.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
ron white
And I was standing at the top where people were jumping off and I was really drunk.
And I didn't really jump off.
I kind of tripped and stumbled and then just went, oh well, I'm going with it and fell off.
joe rogan
Oh shit.
ron white
And I just landed like I was sitting down with my arms kind of back.
Oh, God.
unidentified
How deep is the water?
ron white
Well, it turned out I wasn't very deep into it.
It's a pretty deep pool, but I don't even know.
But I was this far underwater because that's how flat I landed.
I didn't even go underwater.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
That must have sucked.
ron white
It knocked the breath out of me and people were like, are you okay?
And I'm like, which they took that to me and I'm fine.
Yeah, don't do a thing.
joe rogan
Even if you have damage to your shoulders, that shoulder strengthening program will help you.
It'll help you retain range of motion because you're doing it kind of slowly.
And if you just stay persistent with it and consistent and just do it every day, And if you're doing it every day, you're not even doing it, like, that hard.
It's not like a thing where you're, like, killing yourself.
But you're doing, like, I's, Y's, and T's with, like, little dumbbells.
Do things like that.
And just do, like, easy things that strengthen your shoulder.
You'd be amazed at how much more shoulder mobility and strength you'd have if you just strengthened all the connective stuff.
ron white
Yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure that doing anything would be more than I'm doing now, which is absolutely nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah, get a fucking trainer, Ron.
Get some...
ron white
You know what?
I tried to get...
I used to have...
joe rogan
Sassy young lady that's gonna crack you into shape.
ron white
I used to have my yoga instructor would come over my house every day or five days a week and she was beautiful and smart and funny and she was great and it was basically a yoga nap.
nap it was so easy breathing and then you know with smells and she was all mystical and shit and i like it and uh But my girlfriend was like, eh.
Good calling her part.
She was all over me.
She's never wrong.
She's got this intuition and she's never been wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't want that around your man.
That's them yoga freaks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're a little bit more in tune to sexuality.
They're in a room that's 94 degrees and they're all sweating on top of each other.
ron white
Yeah, it has a lasting impression.
joe rogan
Sticking their crotches up in the air.
I mean, everybody's a little bit more free after a yoga class.
ron white
But it was still good for me.
It was a good way to start the day.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it's a great way to start the day.
I used to love doing it that way when I lived in California.
I used to do the Bikram style.
They changed the name after he got busted a bunch of times, but it was Bikram's when I first started.
It was that series of poses, which I think he just popularized.
I don't believe any of them.
I don't even know if he put them in that order, if they were already in that order that people do them, but whatever it is.
That order.
Forget what you think about him, as gross as that guy is.
That guy, he's very funny.
ron white
He wasn't all that gross.
unidentified
People will pay one million dollars for one drop of my sperm.
joe rogan
You ever see him say that?
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see him say that?
A million dollars for it.
I mean, he's a psychopath.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wild man.
But that guy...
ron white
That's why you really can't start fucking your followers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
Because it's just gonna...
Even though it seems like a good idea at the time, but yeah, he was getting a lot of...
joe rogan
He's a cult leader.
I mean, I think it's just like any other cult, even though it does provide the benefit of the yoga.
The thing is, whatever it is, you take him out of the equation, because they're not his exercises, and I don't think they're his order.
Can you find out if that's true, if you put it in that order?
If he invented the order.
But whatever it is, if you just follow those exercises in that order, it's awesome.
And you do it every day.
And there's no variation.
I love variation in a yoga class.
I love to be able to go in a yoga class and doing different stuff.
It's fun.
But I also love going to this class where it's a 90-minute class and there's a specific number of movements and you know what they are because you've done this over and over and over and over again and it's a fucking challenge and you're all in there gutting it out together.
Like, that's a real human struggle.
I know it sounds ridiculous.
ron white
My experience was nothing like that.
This was Kai.
I'm on a little thing stretching my back while I'm laying there breathing in some incense.
joe rogan
That's good, too, though.
ron white
Yeah, doing some breath work.
joe rogan
Listen, that's good, too.
ron white
Just breathing and no grunting.
joe rogan
Well, with the 90-minute one, you got to be hydrated.
You got to be prepared for that.
You got to get some electrolytes in your system.
ron white
Yeah, I went to a hot yoga one time, and I literally threw up in the parking lot.
I was in there.
It made me sick, and I'd eaten, you know, whatever.
I guess you shouldn't eat.
joe rogan
I think they do it at 104. I think it's 104 degrees.
Buker Muga also follows a sequence of 26 postures.
Students improve flexibility and circulation through this sequence with the high temperatures allow them to enter each pose posture more easily.
The poses were chosen from Chudhuri, from classic Hatha poses designed to systematically move fresh oxygenated blood to 100% of your body to each organ and fiber.
So it was him?
He came up with this sequence?
ron white
I think he hacked it, right?
jamie vernon
I think.
ron white
I think he hacked it.
jamie vernon
I'm not finding anything that says he thinks.
ron white
Because he made a bunch of claims about winning yoga tournaments in this country, and they're like, we don't have yoga tournaments in this country.
joe rogan
It's a yoga kumite.
They meet in the woods.
It's a yoga to death.
Okay, Hathi Yoga Studio practice different types of yoga.
Most studios try to keep their hot yoga classes anywhere from a balmy 75 degrees to a steamy 95 degrees.
Elevated temperature.
I think they do 104. Let's just explain this place, yeah.
Since we practice Beakam yoga, our goal is to replicate the environment found in southern India.
Our yoga teachers set the thermostats from 103 to 108 degrees.
Let's go!
Now that's hot yoga.
ron white
That's what Tony does, right?
He does that every week.
It's a Pete Floyd music.
joe rogan
Yeah, he says it's a really good class.
But he loves doing that hot yoga.
It keeps Tony normal.
It helps him with his evil brain.
His evil brain needs a touch of the divine.
He needs to be connected.
ron white
I love him to death.
joe rogan
He's the best.
ron white
You sold out to fucking Madison Square Garden in three hours.
joe rogan
Two Madison Square Gardens.
They're killing the game.
They deserve everything they're getting.
ron white
It's a fantastic show.
When he came up with that idea...
I don't think.
But it's such an engaging, amazingly great idea.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is?
It's an idea that was developed entirely by Tony and Red Band together over years.
So Tony comes up with the idea.
He partners together with Red Band.
They figure out how to do this slowly over years.
So they're doing it in the belly room.
Of the comedy store in front of like 50 fucking people.
There's no one there in the beginning.
They're doing from that to selling out Madison Square Garden in three hours in like 10 years.
Right.
ron white
Yeah, you can question it all you want to.
joe rogan
If you leave a great comic alone and let him come up with his own thing and figure out...
No one's better at hosting a show than that guy.
ron white
Oh, nobody.
Because he's into wrestling.
So everything he announces, it's hard to follow the fucking credits that he gives you when he brings you on stage in that thing.
If you're one of his regulars, you're going to think, this guy sold out three nights at fucking Madison Square Garden.
You've got to go follow that intro.
But, you know, nobody could do it.
Nobody else could do it but him.
joe rogan
He's so quick.
He's so quick with, like, roast lines.
Like, when him and David Lucas go at it, I swear, I don't think I ever laugh harder in life.
There's some videos of him and David Lucas going at it where...
I'm red like a grape and I can't breathe because I haven't taken in a breath in 30 seconds.
I'm just laughing.
I'm just dying.
They're so good at going back and forth with each other.
They're so good.
There's a shit ton of videos.
We don't have to play any of them.
If people are interested, there's a shit ton of videos online of Tony and David Lucas.
I've been telling these fucking dudes since the beginning of time.
Not like Tony needs anything else now.
But if you wanted to do another podcast, the podcast is him and David Lucas just talking shit and reading the news.
I'm like, you two get together and just talk shit about the news and start ragging on each other.
It would be immensely popular.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
Immensely popular.
Those two dudes have magic together.
There's something about those two characters when they get together and start talking shit to each other and they're both laughing when they get each other.
There's no hard feelings at all.
ron white
Right.
None.
None at all.
None at all.
joe rogan
When Tony gets David hard, David is the hardest laugher in the room.
He's laughing harder than anybody, and he's enjoying it.
He doesn't feel bad at all.
Not even a smidgen.
And neither does Tony.
When David gets Tony and Tony goes, you son of a bitch.
ron white
Yeah, you son of a bitch.
You got me.
You son of a bitch.
They start talking about his bald spot.
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
ron white
Son of a bitch.
joe rogan
They have so much fun.
It's amazing because it's just such a well-oiled machine.
It's just been running so smooth for so long.
And then the New Year shows just took them to a totally different level.
You know, having Jelly Roll come out there and sing to open up the show.
What the fuck, man?
What the fuck?
ron white
Everybody wants to participate, you know?
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's so special.
It's fucking awesome.
And it's, I tell everybody, it's the cornerstone of stand-up comedy in Austin.
It's the cornerstone.
Because it's a place where people can get their first time ever on stage and you can do it in front of a million fucking people.
ron white
Yeah, I don't know.
I was pretty nervous, and it was like 85 people.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's okay.
Do you want to do this or not?
unidentified
Right.
ron white
You know what?
joe rogan
Not you.
ron white
It's the most amazing thing.
joe rogan
People coming up.
ron white
Because it does send a net out there to find talented people that they might not have seen that avenue to get to where we are another way.
But they're fans of that.
They're like, I could do that.
And then they do what it takes to get in it.
joe rogan
And also, it encourages the spread of other rooms around town.
You've got enough talent that they get together, and then a guy says, hey, I have a room.
Do you guys want to book a room?
And then you always get that from the more industrious of the comics.
They'll figure, oh, we've got a bar over here, Tuesday night, comedy night.
And so the amount of work that folks can get around here is crazy right now.
ron white
You know what I used to do?
I used to go to hotels that had a restaurant in them.
And I'd set up a comedy competition where you won $25 and a meal for two people.
And then I would only invite comics I knew I could beat because I wanted that money.
I needed that $25 and that free dinner for two.
Me and Lori, Marshall's mom, would go down there just happy as we could be eating our free food.
I won another one, you know.
Why didn't John McDonnell eat?
Well, yeah, I couldn't get a hold of him.
joe rogan
That's smart.
ron white
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What a great way to...
ron white
A little stage time.
joe rogan
Nice.
That's a good scam.
ron white
Free food?
joe rogan
That's a solid scam.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, when I lived in Boston, we were real lucky.
There were so many road gigs.
There were so many gigs you could do on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
You could almost work seven days a week if you knew enough booking agents and you were willing to drive.
You had a reliable car.
You could go to New Hampshire one night.
Next night, you're in Bill Ricca.
Next night, you're in Rhode Island.
Like, you're moving around.
ron white
Well, you know what I did, which was pretty smart, and I never accuse myself of being smart very often, but I noticed that really you're a master of ceremonies, you're not the opening act.
Your biggest job as the opener was to be the MC. I noticed everybody was doing a really shitty job.
They had crinkled up notes in their pocket, next week at the thing.
I'm like, I'm going to get good at that.
My act too, but I'm going to do a really good job.
I'm going to study the notes.
I'm going to know them.
I'm going to make it look like a show.
I'm going to do a better job at being a host.
Then those guys are.
And then there were four clubs in the Dallas area.
I worked one of them once a month as the opening act.
So I worked every goddamn night, nine shows a week.
But you know why?
Because I was a better fucking host, not because I was funnier.
I made it look like showbiz.
joe rogan
That's nice.
ron white
Make it look like a slick fucking deal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
That's what Tony does.
He makes it look like the right kind of package.
It's done the right way.
joe rogan
But it's also wild, too.
That show's wild.
Some of the shit they say is so wild.
They so go for it.
ron white
Well, that's what I love about it, because you don't know.
You don't know.
That deck ain't stacked, folks.
Let me tell you something.
I tried to stack it one time, because my banker wanted to do stand-up, and I thought I could just slide him in.
They were like, no fucking way.
Those come out of a hat.
We don't know who they are.
joe rogan
It's the only way to do it.
ron white
And you guys explained to me, and I'm like, of course that's right.
joe rogan
It has to be like biblical law.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like you have to just really reach in there and really get a piece, otherwise you're lying about the whole thing.
ron white
Right, right.
And I'm telling you folks, I tried, and I was shot down.
joe rogan
No, the show crackles.
It crackles.
ron white
I had to go back to my banker and go, uh, yeah, I can't do anything really to help you.
joe rogan
That's hilarious, your banker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's going to give you an interest rate decrease.
ron white
I'm sure he's hilarious.
The world's missing out on something big.
joe rogan
Maybe it'd be fun to watch them all.
ron white
But you know what?
The thing is, you can come up there with a recommendation from me.
You can do three minutes on Monday night.
Sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can do open mic night.
ron white
Open mic night.
And that's what he did.
joe rogan
Well, that's a great way to start.
That's how you want to start.
You don't want to start on Kill Tony, but a lot of people have.
ron white
Well, yeah, right.
That's what I mean.
That would be a hard place to start.
Insane.
Especially if you know it's a million fucking people.
joe rogan
But also, like, amazing thing to document if that really was the first time and you actually wound up running on from there and having a career.
ron white
Yeah, and you'd have good footage of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, look, it can be done.
It can be done if you're funny.
There's people out there that are, we all know people that are so funny that for whatever reason never decided to stand up.
For me, it was my boss.
I was working for a private investigator at one point in time.
And he lost his license drinking and driving, and he put in an ad for a private investigator's assistant.
It was really just someone to drive him around because he didn't have a license.
And so I was looking for unconventional ways to make money while I was doing martial arts.
So that was what I decided to do.
I started working for this guy.
When I was doing stand-up comedy.
When I had just started.
I was just like one open mic, two open mics in.
Like I had just started.
And I met this dude.
And he was absolutely the funniest dude I had ever met in my life.
I couldn't believe how funny he was.
Funnier than any of the comedians at the clubs.
Totally natural, laughing about everything.
And the guy fucking went cold turkey.
No AA, no programs, no nothing.
Crashed his car, ran from the cops, got busted, and is like, you know what?
I'm fucking done.
I'm fucking done.
This guy was a character, man.
He was a fucking character.
His name is Dave Dolan.
He used to call himself Dynamite Dickless Dave Dolan.
He's one of the funniest fucking human beings I've ever met.
ron white
And you just drove him around?
joe rogan
I drove him around for months.
Because I forget how long he lost his license for.
I don't know what it is, you know, when your license gets suspended for DUI. But he lost it for quite an amount of time.
And during that time, I was making my transition from stand-up, from fighting, to stand-up.
Because I was in the middle of both worlds.
And it was while I was working for him that I had my last fights.
ron white
Were you still playing pool at the same time?
joe rogan
No, I wasn't playing pool at all.
No, I wasn't playing pool at all.
I didn't start playing pool until I hurt my knee.
I mean, I played a couple of times here and there with friends, but I wasn't really into it until I tore my ACL. You know, if you have an ACL injury, it has to be diagnosed, then you have to schedule an appointment, you have to get surgery.
So it was a long time where I couldn't do any martial arts.
It was just too unstable, and it was really fucked up.
I badly tore my ACL and tore my meniscus.
It was like real wobbly.
So I really couldn't do martial arts.
So it was only just like lifting weights and I was looking for something challenging to do.
And me and my friend would go.
He got a job.
My friend John got a job working at this pool hall.
And he and I would just go there and just knock balls around for free during the day because he was working there.
So he'd be like working behind the counter.
And I just got obsessed with it, man.
And I just happened to be around all these people that were like really good players, like high-level professionals would come in from the road because it was a gambling pool hall.
It's called Executive Billiards in White Plains.
ron white
Is this Boston?
joe rogan
No, this was New York.
ron white
Okay.
joe rogan
So I didn't really get into pool until I was like 23?
24?
23 or 24. That's when I really started getting into pool.
ron white
Before stand-up?
joe rogan
No, I was in the middle of stand-up.
It was a problem where my manager said to me, he goes, I think you care more about pool than you do your career.
I was like, oh shit.
ron white
It was like golf.
It was like your golf.
joe rogan
I was playing every day.
Eight, ten hours a day.
Every day.
Every day.
I was traveling to go play in tournaments.
I was going to tournaments many nights of the week that I could have easily been doing stand-up.
I was going to play in tournaments.
I'd go to Connecticut to play.
I'd go to Jersey to play.
I go to West End Billiards and watch the Killers play.
ron white
Wow.
joe rogan
West End Billiards was this place in a real sketchy part of New Jersey.
Ooh, it was sketchy.
And it was this place where it was world-renowned as being like a player's pool hall.
Like Hawaiian Rodney Morris was there, and fucking Mike Siegel played there.
Like, the greats of all time had played in that place.
unidentified
Did they even have places like that around here?
joe rogan
It's not that many of them.
There's hard times in Sacramento.
That's still a big one.
That's a big one.
They stream big tournaments from there.
Yeah.
That one's legit.
That's a legit, like, real player's pool hall.
But there's not a lot of them left in the country, unfortunately.
Because the game is not very publicized, except it's got more of a following now because of the internet, because people are watching those clips.
And they realize, real high-level pool, you know, like Joshua Filler, watch that guy play.
My favorite is this guy from Taiwan.
His name is Ko Ping Chung.
He's my favorite.
He's so smooth.
When you watch that guy move the ball around the table, it's so effortless and precise.
And his cue ball control is just magical.
Magical.
He played in the U.S. Open and won 11 games in a row on a four-inch pocketed table.
If you knew how crazy that is to run those kind of racks...
On a four inch pocketed table.
It's like almost unheard of.
ron white
So what is a four?
I don't even know.
joe rogan
Okay, so if you buy a Brunswick gold crown stock from the factory, it probably has five inch pockets.
If you buy a diamond, it has four and a half, but you can get it all the way down to four.
And they got it all the way down to four.
Four inch pockets are fucking small.
They're small.
And this fucking dude ran 11 games with four inch pockets.
unidentified
With four inch pockets.
ron white
So he ran 11 games?
I mean like the other guy didn't get a shot for 11 games?
joe rogan
Either the guy had a shot and missed and then he ran out or he had a safety.
He made a safety and the guy had a kick and then he got the ball back.
But whatever he did, he just played like perfect pool for a number of games.
See, if you watch the guy play, man, if you really know how to play, it's just effortless.
There's something about the style.
He just keeps getting better, too.
Every time you see him in each tournament, he just gets a little bit better.
These guys all stopped playing because of the pandemic.
So for a couple of years, they couldn't play internationally.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
So they kind of fell off a little bit.
And only the guys who were in certain tours where you were allowed to still play, guys were playing with masks on.
It got like real weird for a while.
And some of the guys, since international travel was limited, they didn't get that high pressure, you know, going to the U.S. Open in Atlantic City.
That was the big one where he was at.
ron white
That's where he was while that was being shot.
joe rogan
That's all the killers from all around the world gather up in Atlantic City.
ron white
Do they know who's going to win before they go into it?
joe rogan
You can't know who's going to win.
ron white
They're too good.
So there's not a number one that's significantly better than everybody else, like there was in golf for years with Tiger Woods?
joe rogan
There's a guy named Shane Van Boning, and he's won more than anyone, and he's won the U.S. Open.
He's tied with Earl Strickland, who's another one of the all-time greats.
I think maybe Strickland has more.
Strickland might have more.
Who won the most U.S. Open, Shane Van Boning or Strickland?
Either way, this guy wins everything.
He's won World 90. He's won the US Open multiple times.
He's favored to beat most people, but that doesn't mean he's going to win.
Because a guy like Ko Ping Chung could just run out, and you might never get a chance.
ron white
And you don't even get a shot at it, right?
joe rogan
Okay, Earl Strickland and Shane Van Boning, both from the US, share the record for winning the US Open nine ball championship at the most time.
Five.
Strickland at 84, 87, 93, 97, and 2000. And Van Boning at 2007, 12, 13, 14, and 16. He's evil.
He's evil on the table.
And when he plays, he shuts his hearing aids off.
He's got hearing aids.
He shuts those bitches off, and he's in a world of his own, man.
He doesn't hear any jeering.
ron white
Pinball wizard.
joe rogan
He's the pinball wizard.
He's the pinball wizard.
Yeah, he's a monster, man.
He's a monster.
One of the greatest players of all time.
If you have a list of the top five greatest players of all time, and you have Shane Van Boning on that list, we're not having a conversation.
You're a silly person.
ron white
And what's his mothership?
Where does he go to hang out and play pool?
joe rogan
Well, South Dakota is where he started out.
They call him a South Dakota kid.
He had a table in the basement that had really tight pockets.
And he would practice his break on it so much that the center of the table was just white from being compressed from the cue ball, smashing into the rack and then slapping down the same spot over and over.
He broke so much that he created like a white cloud around where you rack the balls.
ron white
Wow.
joe rogan
Because he's just obsessed.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And, like, universally regarded as one of the greatest breakers of all time, if not the greatest.
ron white
So these guys are on some spectrum.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
ron white
Yeah, right, because it's got to matter.
joe rogan
You have to be.
ron white
Yeah, you got to.
joe rogan
You have to be.
You want to compete?
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go get vaccinated.
We need you.
We need you in a fucking different realm.
No, there's a lot of guys that are like super normal that are high-level competitors that are like normal guys.
Like you could hang out with them.
They're cool as fuck.
It's just an obsession that they could have been doing that with anything else.
It could have been disc golf.
It could have been frisbee.
ron white
Carpentry.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
These are just obsessive people that are fascinated by the game.
jamie vernon
It's a crazy Tiger stat I just saw over the weekend.
joe rogan
Over a 10-year stretch from 1999 to 2009, Tiger was more likely to win 34% than finish 9th or worse, 32%, for 10 years.
That's insane.
Yeah, he's a monster.
ron white
Yeah, nobody ever racks up those kinds of numbers.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a monster.
ron white
You've got 150 people every week, so you should win one...
One out of 152, you know, instead of 25% of the ones that you fucking enter, it's just crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, you have to be a mad genius to pull that off.
joe rogan
And a mad genius raised by his dad to be that from the time he was really young.
You know?
ron white
Yeah, you'd have to have a springboard.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, I mean, that's what he was.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
And also, like, if your dad plays golf, man, if someone in your family plays...
I really, really wonder this.
If you...
Are you transferring some of your comedy into your kids?
Are you transferring some of your...
They've said that even bad ideas, like even racism, can be inherited.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
This is like a speculation.
I forget how they ran that study.
But they think that there's some aspect of thinking and of life and of experiences that somehow or another gets transferred to your kid.
Which makes sense because the big ones do.
Like fear of spiders.
Fear of monsters in the basement.
Those fears that kids have?
ron white
You think they come...
joe rogan
They come from memories of being eaten by cats almost entirely.
It's thousands of years of proto-hominids being slaughtered by cats.
ron white
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why we're scared of monsters.
ron white
It just doesn't bother me, I guess.
joe rogan
Well, it would if we were outside, Ron.
ron white
Yeah, I feel safe in here.
I feel safe in here with your big frog burps.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Big frog burps.
We have to have protection from the animals, folks.
Don't get cocky.
People are getting cocky right now.
They're getting cocky, talking about bringing grizzly bears back.
Shut your fucking dirty mouth.
Do you want grizzly bears in Beverly Hills?
If they're gonna be fully protected and you can't do anything about it, are you gonna count on the wildlife people to be able to get the grizzly bear?
ron white
Yeah, and you gotta...
joe rogan
Before it eats you?
ron white
I'm gonna tell you right now, if that grizzly wants to fuck you, just let him fuck you.
joe rogan
Let him fuck you.
That's the best case scenario.
ron white
Don't fight back.
Don't argue.
joe rogan
Push back.
Push back.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Push back.
Make all the right noises.
Do whatever it takes.
ron white
Pretend like you love it.
joe rogan
You love it.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking love it.
ron white
That's what I would do.
joe rogan
If you love living, let that bear fuck you.
Yeah.
Imagine the kind of VD you get from a grizzly bear.
Oh my God.
ron white
You think that's what's going on out there?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
Well, I think we tried to make that connection with syphilis.
I don't think we did.
I think someone had told me that there was a fucking really smart guy.
I forget who it was.
But if someone told me that there was two different strains of syphilis, and one of them seems to have definitely come from North America.
So, like, sailors came over in the 1400s with, like, the Pinta and the Santa Maria and shit.
When they went back, they brought syphilis with them.
Because it seems like there was a different strain of syphilis that ran through Europe during that time period.
The same place where these people had just got back from North America.
ron white
So they picked it up from our locals?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
And took it back with them?
joe rogan
Well, that's what we did.
We gave them horrible diseases.
They gave us a few.
unidentified
Make fucking holes in your face.
The syphilis one was a wild one.
joe rogan
That's a wild one.
ron white
I got a lot of guys, man.
joe rogan
Killed a lot of people.
ron white
Killed Al Capone.
Slow, brain rotting, fucking nothing you can do about it.
joe rogan
Isn't it scary that diseases like that come from sex?
So weird.
So weird that nature is so concerned that we're going to overpopulate that it gives you diseases that you only get from sex.
ron white
You have to live in fear.
joe rogan
This is the scariest one, syphilis and AIDS. What scares you more than syphilis and AIDS? If you get a...
Doc, I'm not feeling so good.
Syphilis or AIDS. Either one, like, oh, shit.
unidentified
Syphilis, I guess?
joe rogan
I don't know.
This is a fucking problem.
ron white
Magic Dawson's doing okay.
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
As much shit as people talk about, like, pharmaceutical drug companies or medical science in general, I am so thankful they exist.
Because if it wasn't for them, if there was no penicillin, Do you know how fucked we'd be?
And I know people are saying, oh, people are abusing antibiotics.
They are.
They are.
That's true.
But isn't it great that we have antibiotics?
unidentified
Because if it wasn't, half the fucking people would be dead.
joe rogan
Not half, but you know what it's like.
Back in the day, if you got a staph infection, that was a wrap.
That was it, buddy.
ron white
That's right.
joe rogan
It's going systemic.
It's taking over your blood.
ron white
Yeah, and if you had breast cancer, you were done.
That's just pure death sentence.
joe rogan
Bone breaks.
That's a wrap.
You're losing that leg.
ron white
Teeth gone.
joe rogan
Done.
You don't eat.
You starve.
You can't keep up.
There was this tribe that I was reading about.
unidentified
I forget whose book was it.
joe rogan
But it was about what happens with the older women in this tribe.
It's horrible that the younger males, when they realize the older women aren't keeping up anymore, they'll sneak behind them and bludgeon them over the head.
ron white
What's not keeping up?
joe rogan
They don't keep up because they're nomadic tribal people.
ron white
Oh, you mean they're like lagging behind the group as it moves?
joe rogan
Exactly.
ron white
And then what happens to them?
joe rogan
They get killed by the younger males.
So they have a fear of the young males.
A natural, healthy fear of them.
It's supposedly accepted in the tribe because it's understood that at a certain time you're putting them in danger.
You're putting them in danger by slowing them down.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
It's really dark.
It's really dark.
Was it Malcolm Gladwell?
I don't remember who...
No, Killers of the Flower Moon was the...
jamie vernon
I know.
I googled tribe young males kill older women book, and that's what's popping up.
joe rogan
They did that as well?
jamie vernon
It's just that book is popping up.
They might have talked about it.
joe rogan
They might have talked about it.
I didn't see that movie yet.
I heard it's awesome, though.
Have you seen it?
Killers of the Flower Moon?
ron white
No, I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
You see it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I didn't watch it last night.
I just didn't.
joe rogan
Well, Jamie, where's your report?
Please.
ron white
Watch it on.
jamie vernon
It's really good.
It's still available for rent.
It'll be on something Apple or something next month.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think it's on iMovie right now.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's on everything to rent and buy.
It's just not available for free streaming.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
ron white
I got money.
joe rogan
He's got money.
unidentified
What are you saying?
joe rogan
Why are you trying to save Ronald?
ron white
$3.99?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's $3.99.
Do you want to buy it?
Do you want to rent it?
ron white
Rent it!
I don't have that kind of money.
I'm not going to buy it.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't it weird they give you an option to watch it over for the rest of your life?
ron white
Right.
jamie vernon
Well, sometimes they take that shit away.
joe rogan
They do?
jamie vernon
It's happened.
joe rogan
Even if you buy it?
Do they refund your money?
jamie vernon
No, no.
I mean, if you don't buy it.
joe rogan
Oh, then you can't get it again.
jamie vernon
You can't get it when you want it.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's interesting.
So is that like they have long-term deals, like Apple would have a deal?
ron white
But I thought I was buying stuff on iTunes, and it's just disappeared.
I mean, things I bought are just gone on iTunes.
Now it says they're not available in the country that you're in.
I'm like, this is the country I bought them in.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's weird.
That might be a glitch.
I don't know how that works.
ron white
I don't know.
joe rogan
But I was reading something very bizarre about Google and their terms of service and what they're going to do to adjust something for a sensitive event.
Did you see that?
I could send you the article, but it was one of those ones where I read it and I was like, I read one paragraph into it and I was like, Jesus Christ, this is starting to make me angry.
I don't want to read into this.
ron white
I don't know where my phone is, but I wanted to ask because it's something, literally, I go to Allman Brothers and I want to listen to a song.
It says, no longer available in the country you're in.
And that's iTunes.
But I can push the button and say, play...
The Allman Brothers Band, and it'll play it.
It'll play it, but I don't have it at my command on iTunes like I did.
I don't know where it went.
I thought I was buying that stuff.
That's what I meant.
But apparently I wasn't buying it.
joe rogan
Right.
ron white
I just thought I was buying it because it isn't there anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know how that works.
They must have some different licensing deals with certain songs.
Jamie, that's not it.
It's something that was real recent.
And they were talking about what they would do for a significant cultural event.
Let me see if I can...
jamie vernon
This is a new policy going to affect February 2024. It clearly defines what constitutes a, quote, sensitive event for purposes of prohibiting certain exploitative or insensitive ads and content.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
jamie vernon
While Google already had policies in place for ads and YouTube monetization, this expands the restrictions to Google's publisher network as well.
joe rogan
And so it was defined in a certain way.
See if you could pull up what it actually says.
Because the way it was defined, what disturbed me was that it's very blanket.
A sensitive event is defined as an unforeseen or unexpected situation that poses significant risk to Google's ability to provide high-quality, relevant information while reducing insensitive content.
I have a concern with that.
Insensitive content in prominent and monetized features.
Insensitive content.
ron white
Insensitive to who?
joe rogan
Exactly.
So open and subjective.
Now, listen to this, though.
Sensitive events include those with major social, cultural, or political impact, such as civil emergencies, natural disasters, public health crises, terrorism, conflict, or mass violence.
So what they're saying is you must be sensitive.
If you're going to discuss civil emergencies, natural disasters, public health crisises, anything with a major social, cultural, or political impact, terrorism, mass violence, you must now be sensitive.
The thing is, like, whatever they're trying to say, whatever they're trying to do to make the online world a nicer place, you've got to be really careful with saying things like that, because sensitive is a weird term.
If someone is violently opposed...
ron white
Sensitive to who?
joe rogan
Right.
Also, what if someone is violently opposed to something that's happening?
Like, think about one or many of the military conflicts around the world.
Don't pick a side.
What if someone is violently opposed to these people dying and losing their lives, and they're talking about it?
Is that an insensitive piece of content that can now be censored by a new policy?
Is that what it is?
Or is it just gonna demonetize it, which they've kind of always done?
jamie vernon
I think this was talking about people who are making ads using their platform, not people who are hosting content on their platforms.
joe rogan
Say it again.
ron white
I gotta admit I'm a little lost on this one.
So if any of the listeners out there are also a little confused.
joe rogan
No, it's about them having the ability to censor you.
So if you do the Ron White show on YouTube, which is owned by Google, If they decide that this something of whatever you're doing is in somehow or another offensive...
ron white
They would want to edit it.
joe rogan
I don't know what they're saying they can and can't do.
jamie vernon
I think it's making ads.
I don't know if it has to do with the content.
Again, that's on YouTube.
I think this policy content change is for people who use the Google Ads platform and create ads like this one I'm showing you right here so that you can't abuse it.
joe rogan
You can't monetize it.
But look how it's phrased, please.
Go back to the top sentence.
So look at...
It says, the updated policy provides practice including price gouging, misdirected traffic, and victim blaming during sensitive events.
I'm with the first ones.
Price gouging, misdirected traffic, I'm with those.
But victim blaming during sensitive events, that one gets touchy.
jamie vernon
It's just using the ads, though.
It's like making some weird ad to pop up to get you to click on something that's going to pop up on content that might be about that event or anything like that.
joe rogan
I understand.
But victim-blaming, the thing about victim-blaming is you can do it both ways, right?
Like victim-blaming, like with Hamas and Palestine and Israel, you could victim-blame on both sides.
You could say, the Israelis were doing this, and that's why Hamas had to attack, and you say, Hamas attacked, and that's why the Israelis are doing this, and you fucking people should have known better, and you fucking people should have known better.
That's victim-blaming.
ron white
Sure.
joe rogan
You've got to let people talk.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if talking looks like victim-blaming until people work it out, you can't just stop people from talking.
So what are we saying?
Are we saying that it's just they can't monetize that?
Well, then what happens is if you're not monetizing stuff, you let people know that unless they self-censor, it's going to cost them financially.
Even if the ads, like, say if it represents a company that is actually interested in this discussion and wants to know, like, what's the right perspective on this?
Who's most informed?
Who's looking at this the most correctly?
If you're a company and why wouldn't you want to advertise on something where people are just talking about what may or may not be happening in the world?
And if you're going to do that on YouTube, then you have to worry about you're losing your ability to make a living now.
It's like, ooh.
Is that what happens?
ron white
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I mean, is this just a blanket policy in case of the most egregious offenses that all people agree are terrible and should probably not be okay?
But then who gets to decide that?
unidentified
What happened to the frogs eating the mouse and shit like that?
joe rogan
Ron White, this is the future of people being able to talk shit.
ron white
That's what it is.
joe rogan
It's kind of the future of people being able to talk shit, because this is how it goes away.
It goes away through stuff like that.
It goes away through people deciding that something's insensitive, which is like 98% of all jokes.
ron white
Right.
Yeah, you don't want to come to my show.
That's what I'm saying.
jamie vernon
Here's their examples.
joe rogan
Okay, here's some examples.
Alright, violations...
Okay, what is an example?
Ads that claim victims of...
Oh, ads that claim victims of a sensitive event responsible for their own tragedy or similar instances of victim...
Okay, ads.
So it's just about ads.
jamie vernon
At least for now it is.
You know, maybe they could switch it and be like, now all content, but...
joe rogan
Well, that's completely reasonable.
If it's just about ads, that's completely reasonable.
Yeah.
I guess you should want to be able to control how fucked up the ads are.
Because that's kind of, well, is it?
jamie vernon
It's just that.
They're just like, you can still use other parts of the internet that can still do that.
joe rogan
But you can't use propaganda.
You can't lie.
jamie vernon
Yeah, you can't use Google Ads, which is the biggest part of the internet advertising world.
joe rogan
Right.
They shut you out.
jamie vernon
Do it somewhere else is all they're saying.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
That seems reasonable.
ron white
Yeah, that's pretty reasonable.
joe rogan
As long as they're not doing that with the actual content of the podcast.
Because I do know that they demonetize.
They demonetize people all the time if you talk about certain subjects.
It's always been a problem.
ron white
And they don't do that to you, do you?
joe rogan
They used to do it.
Yeah, they used to do it up until the time when we switched over to Spotify.
jamie vernon
On their website, this is specifically under advertising policies.
ron white
So now they don't do it to anybody?
joe rogan
No, no.
They do it to other people.
They do it to other people all the time.
But they stopped doing it to us for like three months.
Like where they didn't give us any dings.
We're doing the same show.
I don't know any other way to do this.
You gotta sit down and talk shit.
It's the only way to do it.
If I change that for somebody that's gonna censor something or I'm gonna lose money, like, what are you talking about?
Like, I can't change what I do.
I have zero interest in doing that.
And if I don't think it's offensive, then that's it.
That's the end of the conversation.
ron white
And I think you're pretty sensitive.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sensitive.
I try to be sensitive about these kind of things.
It's just you got to let people talk.
And just because people disagree with you, it doesn't mean there's something wrong with them.
Did you see that clip?
The way he was phrasing, it was actually kind of funny.
He was talking about white frailty or white anxiety, that it's a public health crisis, that white people who vote Republican, it's just like an opioid epidemic.
unidentified
This guy was comparing the two.
Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.
joe rogan
I don't know where this is.
I don't know where he said this.
I just saw it on Twitter.
And I'm like, man, you got to get out of the house.
You got to go hang out with some different folks because they don't have an opioid epidemic.
There's a lot of people that are the conservative people that are like really clear thinking people.
ron white
Absolutely.
joe rogan
They think this is a mess and they want things to change.
They want the rule of law put back into place.
It doesn't mean they're on opiates.
This is so crazy to say that everybody who doesn't agree with you is on drugs.
ron white
Well, you know, that gets fired back on both sides.
joe rogan
Now you're in a stupid war.
You're stupid.
No, you're stupid.
You people are on drugs.
ron white
Who brought back name-calling?
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
If you had been taught equality from the beginning, you wouldn't be flipping out.
But that's how hegemonic dominance works.
And so I think that's why it happens.
And we have to be willing to talk about that because it's really unhealthy.
This white anxiety is a public health crisis.
In that regard.
And that's why, you know, not only were we talking in the other room a minute ago before we came in here, you know, that it's not just the opioid crisis that we think about with folks killing themselves disproportionately, increasingly white working class folks who are, you know, using heroin or using over-the-counter opioids.
But they're political opioids.
Turning to a candidate who says, you vote for me and I will take away your pain.
I will bring back those jobs.
I will make your life better.
That's a form of an opiate as well.
So we got to be honest about the dysfunctionality and the real danger of the front lash, backlash, whatever we want to call it, even for the people who are thinking they're going to benefit from it.
joe rogan
What you see right there is a wild instance of someone that's used to being around like a certain type of people that think a certain type of way and think it's okay to say it out loud in a bigger forum.
And you put that out there to the world and the whole world is like, what the fuck are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
They're not on opioids?
What are you saying?
ron white
And why are you dressed like that?
You shouldn't even have an opinion.
joe rogan
That doesn't bother me at all.
ron white
He's dressed like Idi Amin.
Would dress in a casual setting.
joe rogan
Let me see it again.
I didn't even think about how he's dressed.
I just thought about what he was saying.
He just dressed like a regular guy.
ron white
It's paramilitary.
No.
Yeah, it is.
It's like a Qaddafi.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That guy doesn't look paramilitary at all.
Ron White.
ron white
Maybe I saw it in his eyes.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of a fascist perspective.
ron white
Very Fidel Castro.
Come on.
joe rogan
No, it's just a shirt with two buttons.
It's just a shirt with two buttons.
ron white
This guy's up to no good.
jamie vernon
Looks like the guys have suits on.
Why not wear a suit?
joe rogan
He's probably a casual guy.
Casual guy, tuned into the younger people.
Casual Friday?
That's a crazy thing to say.
And it's also not a nuanced perspective on the whole race issue in this country, in this world.
It's a silly thing to do.
To say that all people that are Republicans that are these white people are like on opioids and they want someone to rescue them.
It's so silly and so stupid to lump them all into white people, first of all, because there's a lot of people that are Republican that aren't white.
There's a shit ton of them, man.
Go down to Miami.
Those Cubans are all Republican.
ron white
Right?
joe rogan
They're all Republican.
There's so many Republicans down there.
It's a silly thing to say.
And it's also a silly thing to say that the people that oppose you politically are just wrong, so wrong, that they're looking for a drug to rescue them.
Like someone who comes along and says that they can do a better job is offering you heroin.
ron white
I think both sides have a really difficult time understanding the perspective of the other.
joe rogan
Yep.
ron white
You know, there's just a big swing and a miss, and you can butt heads all day and nothing budges.
unidentified
Yep.
ron white
And, you know, I know some real smart, wealthy guys that disagree with me 100%.
And so when we're around each other, guess what we don't do?
Talk about it.
Because there's so many connections that we do have.
Why let that political thing get in the way of friendship?
Because it sure can if you let it.
joe rogan
Here's the problem.
This is the number one problem.
People attach themselves to their ideas, and they attach themselves to a party that their ideas most likely have been adopted from.
Most people's opinions politically are a conglomeration of a group of people's opinions they've adopted.
Whether it's right-wing people, extreme right-wing, I mean, I'm saying most, what is it, 60%?
How many independent thinkers?
ron white
Environmental productivity.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that are not independent thinkers, is my point.
ron white
Everybody, almost.
joe rogan
Most people.
So when you get connected ideologically, very personally, to a group of opinions, and then someone opposes that group of opinions, they're attacking you.
They're attacking you.
You take it very personally, and people are deceptive about the way they phrase things in order to try to win, and it's entirely because their self-worth is connected to this verbal jousting that they're doing, which is both productive and unproductive at the same time because it lets you find out if things are bullshit.
ron white
I think it's fruitless.
joe rogan
But it does allow you sometimes to find out if things are bullshit.
But on the other hand, it's not smart.
It's not a smart way to communicate because most people are in the middle on everything.
Most people just want the world to be a safer place.
You want your kids to go to nice schools.
You want your neighborhood to be safe.
You want people to make money.
You want the economy to do well.
You don't want any war.
unidentified
Yay!
joe rogan
That's the most important shit.
ron white
And we want it to be balanced and we want it to work.
joe rogan
Right.
ron white
You know, for as many people as possible.
joe rogan
Leave me the fuck alone.
Don't tell me what to do.
You know, have laws in place to keep people from getting fucked over, but take your fucking hands-off approach.
But what people don't understand is as soon as you start developing all these different areas of business and of life that have to be adjusted, have to be adjusted.
And that's like putting DEI initiatives and doing these different things where you're not going to hire the most qualified people.
You want to hire a certain percentage of people from this part of the world and a certain percentage of people from that.
Even if you think you're doing better for the world, what you don't recognize is that this is a pattern of control.
And this pattern of control that can be used to manipulate people to thinking they're doing something good socially, which they may very well be.
What it really does is allows control of businesses in a new way and it allows control of public perception in a new way that can be manipulated to get you to do certain things and get you to allow certain legislation to get passed that It has the government have much more control over what you do or what you say and how much money they get and money for programs.
And you're locked into a system now.
And if you want to be a good person, you have to follow this pattern.
That's where things get squirrely.
And so as soon as people start telling people how they can and can't talk, this book's got to be gone, you can't say that, you can't teach this, as soon as that happens and the government steps in, we're fucked.
We're fucked.
Because if they step in, they're not going to do it within your best interest.
They're going to do it in whatever way makes them the most money or cost them the least.
ron white
Something's got to keep this herd going in the right direction, you know?
joe rogan
I think it's mushrooms.
unidentified
That's what I think.
ron white
Let's just go back to that answer.
joe rogan
One day.
One day, mushroom off for the whole world.
ron white
Oh, yeah.
Well, eventually that organism will just take over everything.
It really grows well, and it'll just get in your shoes, and it'll balance everything out.
Everything will make sense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what'll happen?
It'll get airborne.
The spores will get airborne.
ron white
It'll fix every problem we've ever had.
joe rogan
That's what we need.
That's what we need.
Ari Shafir created Shroomfest, and if he was more ambitious, that would be the number one festival in the world.
ron white
If he was more ambitious, I would have heard of it, for sure.
joe rogan
It's just an unofficial thing.
I'm joking around.
ron white
I'm all for it.
joe rogan
July of every year.
There's places now where you can go, it's actually legal.
ron white
Colorado, right?
joe rogan
I believe Colorado decriminalized it, and I think Portland essentially decriminalized almost everything.
Is it Oregon in total decriminalized almost everything, or is it just Portland?
ron white
I think the gloves are off in Portland.
You can do whatever you want to.
joe rogan
You can do whatever you want up there.
ron white
Yeah.
Beautiful town.
joe rogan
Some lady who was...
ron white
No sales tax.
joe rogan
She's either running for office or she's Oregon's first in nation law.
The decriminalized possession of small amounts of heroin, cocaine, and other illicit drugs in favor of an emphasis on addiction treatment is facing strong headwinds in the progressive state after an explosion of public drug use fueled by the proliferation of fentanyl.
Oh, my God.
They flooded the streets.
Yeah.
ron white
Yeah, it's got to be legal and free.
That's the only answer.
It's got to be completely legal and it's got to be no cost to you.
And that's the only thing that's going to make it less profitable, which is what drives the whole thing anyway.
You've got to give it away.
You've got to do what the Japanese did to us with television sets.
Flood the fucking market.
Choke them out.
That's what you got to do.
You want to die over it, a heroin over it, fucking go.
You go, buddy.
We got too many of us anyway.
You make the decision.
Not a lot of people make the decision to fucking do it.
joe rogan
You gonna run for president?
ron white
I'm not.
I'm not.
joe rogan
Listen, once you become a pastor, people believe you more.
ron white
Right.
I know.
I know I'd be good at it.
I know I could do it.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying, Ron.
Start pastor.
ron white
I got pastor hair.
joe rogan
You are a goddamn spring chicken compared to Biden.
We can trot you out in a couple of years of fine polishing.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
So we start the Christian church.
Start the church.
Get that all sorted out.
ron white
We haven't decided, Christian.
We just said we're going to hook to a big, I think, Scientology.
joe rogan
That's what I was going to say.
ron white
Ron?
joe rogan
Get him involved.
Look, I'm down with your craziness.
Just let's be friends.
ron white
I could be...
joe rogan
You rub my back, I'll rub yours.
ron white
Right.
Come on.
And that's the way it really works.
joe rogan
Comedic Tom Cruise.
I can hang in there for you.
I can say listen.
ron white
We're going to need celebrities.
That's for sure.
joe rogan
I know it sounds crazy on paper.
ron white
Because everybody believes it.
joe rogan
But once you experience it and you realize the thetans are real, have you ever seen the South Park animation of what Scientologists believe?
ron white
Yeah, I think I have.
You know, those guys just crank me up.
joe rogan
They're amazing.
ron white
Nobody makes me laugh like those guys.
joe rogan
They're the tip of the spear in the culture war.
South Park is the tip of the spear in the culture war.
They go after everybody forever and they can get away with it because it's a cartoon.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And it's a super unrealistic looking cartoon.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
And they're grandfathered in.
ron white
Yeah, there's no way you could ever think it was real.
joe rogan
And they're genius, and the characters never get old.
That's the most amazing thing.
ron white
I watch it all the time.
joe rogan
When you have a cartoon that doesn't even look remotely real, that character can be that forever.
There's no timeline.
They're in school for the rest of their fucking lives.
ron white
That's the only constant in my life is South Park, I can get 24 hours a day, and Fear Factor.
Fear Factor comes on my television.
Every time I turn it on, it automatically goes straight to Fear Factor.
And you have to turn it off before something happens that you go, oh, God!
unidentified
That's hilarious.
ron white
And I don't know why.
It's a deal they made with Samsung on these TVs, but that's what it goes to.
And no matter what you were watching before, whenever you turn it off, turn it back on.
Fear Factor.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a Samsung TV in the gym, and when I turn it on, it goes right to Hell's Kitchen every time.
It's always Hell's Kitchen.
ron white
I wonder why mine's...
joe rogan
I don't know.
Maybe it's like if you set it on a channel at one point in time, it just goes back to that channel.
ron white
Maybe that's what it is.
joe rogan
I don't know, but I'm on the Hell's Kitchen channel where Hell's Kitchen plays 24 hours a day on my Samsung TV as soon as I turn it on.
Before I go to ESPN Plus, it goes right to Hell's Kitchen.
ron white
No, that's what mine does, but it does it with fucking Fear Factor.
joe rogan
I would have, like, such a terrible opinion.
ron white
I'd just sit around thinking, oh, those girls were pretty hot.
But, I mean, it's the Fear Factor.
Do you jerk off while you're watching Fear Factor?
I don't.
I don't.
joe rogan
I don't want to be involved.
ron white
Not every time.
joe rogan
I don't want to be involved.
ron white
Not every time.
Something else had to have happened.
And then, you know, Fear Factor just got in the way.
joe rogan
Gordon Ramsay, if I didn't know any better, I'd think he's the meanest guy on earth.
Because every time I turn on the TV, he's yelling at somebody.
Every time.
Every time.
He's fucking screaming and yelling at people.
Because that's the shtick.
You could develop a very bad perception.
ron white
But he's not like that in real life.
Do you know him in real life?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Can't be.
So I'm going to beat the fuck out of him by now.
ron white
I think people have.
I think he's a prick.
I think that's the word on the street.
What's the word on the street?
He's a prick.
Kind of a prick.
joe rogan
I think to be great.
ron white
I've never met him either.
The guy could be the nicest guy like a plate of butter.
joe rogan
I bet he's a nice guy.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a great chef.
Great chefs are wild people.
People that create great food.
They're like great musicians or great comics.
They're wild artists.
They're a different kind of person.
It is an art.
I didn't really appreciate that until I met Bourdain.
When I started talking to him, especially after I watched his show, I think that's when I first realized it.
I was like, oh, this is an art form.
I was just to think of it as just good food.
ron white
You know, that was a guy.
I always thought I would be his friend someday.
joe rogan
You would have been his friend.
ron white
You know, I just always thought the guy, you know, I could watch that guy.
He just seemed so honest and genuine.
He just brought you into his life, you know, when you follow him around.
That was great.
joe rogan
I wish I could have set that up.
I wish I could have got you guys together.
He's a great guy.
ron white
Well, it's too late now, Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Do you know how I found out?
And Maynard from Tool texts me, and he goes, I guess the celebrity jiu-jitsu match is off.
And I was like, what?
Because he used to joke around about having a celebrity jiu-jitsu.
Maynard's really good.
By the way, Maynard just got his black belt, so congratulations.
Maynard Keenan from Tool, he's a legitimate black belt.
ron white
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, really good at jiu-jitsu.
I watched him train in here with John Donaher before we did a podcast.
He trained right next door at the gym.
But, you know, he's like a really legitimate jiu-jitsu guy.
There it is.
That's him.
ron white
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So, Ron White, that's your next move.
ron white
Jiu-Jitsu?
joe rogan
Jiu-Jitsu, Ron White.
You.
Ron White Jiu-Jitsu.
ron white
I want a band.
joe rogan
You want a band?
Do you?
ron white
No, I don't want a band.
No, you know what I want to do?
I want to, besides the religion.
joe rogan
Can I ask you, did you ever do the show in L.A., the Grand Bam Comedy Jam, whatever it is?
Goddamn, Goddamn Comedy Jam.
Josh Ademeyer's show?
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
What'd you sing?
ron white
Give Me Three Steps.
It was great.
You know, they had that electric violinist doing lead guitar stuff, and it was fun as shit.
And I think Bill Burr was that night playing drums.
joe rogan
Bill is a really good drummer.
ron white
Yeah, I was fucking shocked.
joe rogan
Bill Burr is a really dedicated drummer.
ron white
And I gotta tell you, I killed it.
I practiced it.
At the time I was with a singer, so she helped me get the beats on it.
Don't get outside of that, because you can't get outside of that.
You've got to sing it under this.
So I thought, you know.
joe rogan
Nice.
Nice.
ron white
I'd press the chicks, I think, that night.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, you did.
That's a great song, too.
Any Skynyrd song.
That's a wild band too, right?
Think about those dirty white dudes from Florida.
ron white
Yeah, I saw them on concert when I was a kid.
In fact, I think it's the same place that Olsteen preaches at now.
Really?
It was, what was it, the Houston, I can't even remember the name of it.
joe rogan
Something Dome or something.
ron white
Coliseum.
unidentified
Where's he at?
ron white
I can't think of the name of it.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild you bought that for Jesus?
What a giant...
ron white
How many seats is that?
It's like 16,000.
joe rogan
16,000 for Jesus.
ron white
But I don't know.
joe rogan
12 million.
Joel Osteen, Houston's Compact Center.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
ron white
No, this was another step.
joe rogan
Whoa, the church spent 90 million to renovate it.
They spent 90 on it.
They got it for 12 and they spent 90 on it.
How dope is it?
No wonder why they didn't want the fucking refugees in there.
ron white
I swear to God, they didn't let them in.
joe rogan
$90 million.
ron white
There's no way.
And he literally said something about it.
They had just...
Look at this.
joe rogan
That's why.
ron white
And he basically preaches it's okay to be rich.
And these people in that thing, they're like, that's what I want to hear.
I want to hear it's okay for me to have my hunk of the pie, and I don't have to feel guilty for it.
And by God, I'm white, and I don't...
Not that they're all white, but...
joe rogan
What are you saying, Ron?
ron white
I'm just saying that my religion is going to be different.
joe rogan
What are you going to do?
Are you going to be poor?
ron white
I'm not.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
ron white
No, no, no.
joe rogan
If you could be the guy with 90 cars, but still be delivering the real shit.
That's the thing.
ron white
Yeah.
I don't have 90 cars.
joe rogan
You don't need 90 cars.
ron white
I got three cars.
joe rogan
90 cars is like 90 cars you have to keep fixed.
Keep changing oil and...
ron white
Pay insurance on them.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
That's too many.
That's too many Rolls Royces.
But if you're just going to be some highballer guru type character that really is connected to the god force of the universe...
That guy used to give people orgasms by touching their foreheads.
Didn't he give people orgasms by touching their temples and shit?
He could do some wild shit.
ron white
If somebody could do that to me, I would follow him anywhere.
joe rogan
I think he could do it.
ron white
I don't care who it was.
If that frog could do it, I would follow that frog.
joe rogan
The cult that you made me by the building, that guy did that to people.
He gave them orgasms.
ron white
He did?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He was a hypnotist.
It's a great documentary.
It's called Holy Hell.
ron white
He hypnotized people.
joe rogan
Yeah, he hypnotized them.
He changed his name.
His name was Jaime Gomez.
But that was like...
ron white
Nobody's gonna go for that.
joe rogan
That sounds like a boxer on your card of a Canelo fight, right?
So he changed his name to Michelle.
And then he changed it again when he moved to Texas.
He moved to Texas because the Cult Awareness Network was- They were already on his ass.
Locking on them.
They were on his ass.
And after Waco, they were cracking down.
Like, eee, fucking enough of this shit.
After Waco, they were like, this is crazy.
These people have guns, they're just fucking everybody's wives, and they're stockpiling food, and preparing for a war, a Christian war, and shooting at cops.
ron white
Yeah.
Nothing scarier than that crowd.
joe rogan
That's scary.
When you get that apocalyptic preacher guy lying there with a bullet singing a song for everybody, he really believes.
That's a death cult.
He wants to go down in a blaze of glory.
He wants to be martyred.
ron white
That's the scariest.
joe rogan
There's a scariness to that for sure.
That's a weird thing, huh?
So many people go down that road.
Of either starting one or believing in one.
It's like a natural inclination that people have to just follow people.
ron white
All you have to do is look at what Jim Jones was able to pull off.
And there are people in complete, complete, complete control of all those people to the point where they kill themselves.
joe rogan
I thought that was the case.
I think some of the people were forced into it now.
Now that I read into it more, it seems like some of the people...
ron white
They weren't forced to go to Jonestown.
joe rogan
No, but they didn't know they were going to have to die.
I used to think they all just died on purpose, but now I think a bunch of them were forced into doing it.
When there's a mass death, there's probably going to be a few reluctant people.
ron white
Yeah, right at the end, going, yeah, I didn't know you were serious.
joe rogan
This dude, when the Cult Awareness Network was after him, he moves to Austin and then has his followers build him that theater so he could dance in front of him.
I know that.
The videos are incredible.
He's a really good dancer.
ron white
Better than me.
joe rogan
He's really good.
ron white
He's beautiful, too.
Yeah, good-looking guy until later when he had all the surgeries done.
That's when he got weird.
joe rogan
He started getting old and couldn't deal with it.
ron white
You gotta let age come, man.
joe rogan
Well, are you a guru or are you a dude who's hypnotizing people and butt-fucking them?
Well, this is how we find out.
What happens when you age?
ron white
Right, which is legal.
joe rogan
He was doing everything above ground.
I don't know if he had to pay taxes.
Like, that's the question.
Were they an established religion?
Because the only person that I know of that it's actually, I know people have done it, but the only person I personally know of is Alex Gray, the visionary artist from New York.
Do you know who he is?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
He actually put together a real church.
It's a church of his art.
Was he called the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors?
What does he call it again?
Is that it?
So he has this insane art structure that's in the woods in upstate New York.
And Alex, I know you've seen Alex Gray's work before.
ron white
I'm sure I have.
joe rogan
It's all visionary, psychedelic, DMT type things like that.
This is his work.
Show his building, Jamie.
No, I'm saying the outside of the building.
Because the outside of the building, like the front doors are all 3D printed works of his art.
That's the inside.
It's fucking incredible looking.
That's what it looks like.
That's what it looks like on the outside of it.
I mean...
This is also 3D. This is the...
Yeah, this is the CGI. But it does look like that now, right?
jamie vernon
This is a picture of that with that thing on top.
joe rogan
Right.
You see, I think there's some other perspectives.
Maybe there's some other photos that'll show different...
There it is.
Like, this is...
Oh, no, this is the bullshit version, too.
jamie vernon
It's just with the front of their website.
joe rogan
I think there is some imagery somewhere of the front.
But whatever it is, this guy has a legit church.
So he has actually gone through all the steps to create a church.
ron white
And they worship him?
unidentified
No, no, no.
ron white
They just worship his art?
joe rogan
I would be speaking out of turn if I said what they worship.
I think it's more of the psychedelic experience in its most...
Pure and loving form.
If I had to like boil it down to what they believe in, that's what Alex Gray believes in.
And all of his art, this is all like these sacred tryptamine type images.
I mean, he's like the only guy that I've ever seen that captures like certain aspects.
ron white
Do you know this guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, he's been on the podcast before.
He's really cool.
ron white
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, really cool guy.
And his wife is really cool too.
She's been on here as well.
And like, look at all of his work.
It's like...
It's amazing stuff.
But he's got a real church.
This is the only guy that I know that's actually made a real church.
I'm like, oh, I believe him.
I believe him.
That's not a guy who's trying to Joel Osteen in.
He's not trying to buy 98 Bentleys.
ron white
Right.
joe rogan
That's really who he is.
He's just a real fascinating artist.
There's a bunch of people that have Alex Gray tattoos.
It's probably one of the most common.
unidentified
The gray-haired guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, the gray-haired guy with the ponytail.
ron white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sweetheart of a guy.
ron white
Wow.
joe rogan
So that's an example of like...
ron white
What's his tax status down there at the Church of Art?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
I think he got it through.
I think it's a legitimate church.
A non-profit organization formed in 1996 to create a permanent public exhibition of the sacred mirrors.
But I think they got like a tax-exempt status.
Yeah.
No, established in 2008 as an interfaith church.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So from 2008, I guess, they established it as an actual church.
ron white
Don't you have to have a doctrine that...
joe rogan
Well, here it is.
I'm sure they do.
I just don't know what it is.
Provides unique creative events and workshops in a spiritual context.
Like, what is their...
What is it?
Do they say what they believe?
jamie vernon
I'm on their vision page and we're just...
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What is it?
Okay, scroll down.
What are we?
Scroll above that so I can read the text.
ron white
I mean, I would join just so I can hang out there.
joe rogan
It's a place of contemplation and worship for community honoring the practice of art as a spiritual path.
ron white
Wow.
joe rogan
Cosm's site and structure provides a living model of the ideals expressed through the inspiring artwork of the collection and the exhibitions, the writings of the founders and invited contributors.
So they just take cool artists and their art and they show it to people and their spirituality is based on creativity.
ron white
Ah!
joe rogan
And it's amazing art, man.
This stuff is fantastic.
ron white
And where is it?
joe rogan
New York.
Somewhere in New York.
Like New York State.
Wappinger.
Wappinger, New York.
ron white
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ron white
I think I'm in Syracuse.
I don't know if it's anywhere near that.
joe rogan
Just go there.
Maybe he's got a course, how to start a cult.
ron white
I got a bus.
joe rogan
Yeah, just go down there and go, look, I want to start my own thing.
You know, Chapel of Sacred Hees and Ha Ha's.
ron white
He may have classes.
joe rogan
Isn't, like, comedy kind of a form of religion in some way?
ron white
It is for us, Joe.
joe rogan
It is.
ron white
It is.
You know?
You find...
I mean, just making people laugh is a good thing to do.
joe rogan
It's a great thing to do.
ron white
It is.
joe rogan
It's fun.
ron white
And I can't tell you how grateful people are, you know, that...
Just how hard we make them laugh.
It's just so much fun to do.
If you can even remember to be somebody that wasn't a comedian watching a comedy show and how hard you can laugh at that experience.
I remember I saw Seinfeld one time in a comedy club.
He had full-blown chops and it was all never heard it before.
He beat me to death.
I mean to death at the...
Whatever, the improv in Dallas, Texas.
I had a table right off.
It was my birthday.
I'd only been doing stand-up for about six months.
I wasn't in the show.
I just gave him the chair.
He was making $25,000 for the week, and we were like, no fucking way!
Nobody makes that much money in the world.
joe rogan
Yeah, doing a stand-up at a club.
And this is the 90s, right?
ron white
What year is that?
joe rogan
It would have been 86. 86. I saw Seinfeld for the first time in 88 before I did stand-up.
Like right before I did stand-up.
I was probably maybe 87. It was at the Paradise, which was a comedy club.
It was a big place that was connected to Stitches.
So Stitches was the comedy club and that was small.
I think it would seat about 150 or so.
And then The Paradise, which is next door, was bigger.
But it only sat, like, maybe 500 people?
I'm just guessing.
400 or 500 people?
And so Seinfeld was there.
And I took him with this girl that I was dating and just fucking cried.
Couldn't believe how smooth he was.
So smooth.
So fun to see.
ron white
Back then, you know, he was doing All those sets, you know, all those sets every night.
He's the one that said, you know, a comic should be on stage.
I heard him say it every single day.
And that, you know...
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got crazy workouts.
ron white
That's the reason I tried to stay on stage every single day was because of what Seinfeld said.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's something to that, for sure.
But I remember back then, like, thinking about doing stand-up, like, oh my god, I could never do this.
And then going to an open mic and going, oh, I could do this.
Like, the difference between, like, watching crazy people bomb, you're like, oh.
Richard Jenny said it best.
He said, terrible comedy gives people inspiration to try comedy.
That's the purpose it serves.
ron white
Right, I can for sure do that.
joe rogan
He was the guy I got to see live quite a few times.
But I got to see him before, maybe I had just done an open mic or two, but I was sitting front row at Catch a Rising Star in Cambridge, and he was doing the weekend there.
God damn, he was good.
ron white
There was nobody better than him, I don't think, at his peak.
It was just so much power.
joe rogan
So much writing, so smooth, and so many tags, and just like, just a consummate professional.
Consummate professional.
He was just a joke-writing machine, man.
He could take any premise, any premise, and turn it into a closing bit.
ron white
Right.
It's crazy.
That's what it was like.
It was like watching somebody that had nothing but closing bits.
That's how hard you laughed at this show.
joe rogan
I've told this before, but I'll tell it again just because it's so crazy.
Eastside Comedy Club in Long Island.
I went there.
I don't know if I was there on Sunday.
I was there after Jenny's shows were done.
So when I got there, the fucking host was depressed.
And we were all talking.
We're like, what's the matter?
He goes, Jenny did a different hour every show.
He goes, he did two different hours on Friday and then two different hours on Saturday.
And he fucking killed.
And the guy was like, I want to quit comedy.
Like, what am I doing?
The fuck am I doing?
This guy just did four different hours and murdered.
ron white
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
ron white
I should quit.
joe rogan
You watch something like that.
People just forgot.
That's one of those ones.
I know Chris Rock gets it up to him a lot.
ron white
Some people, they inspire people to quit.
joe rogan
He definitely would raise the bar.
I saw him kill at the Comedy Works in Montreal.
Remember that little room?
That little tiny room upstairs?
I saw him kill up there talking about buying a Corvette.
How do you make that funny?
How do you make buying a Corvette funny?
ron white
I have no idea.
joe rogan
It was hilarious.
He was murdering.
He was a murderer.
Anything, any subject, he could find it.
He'd find the angle.
ron white
Yeah.
I remember the one thing he did.
It was just about a look in his eye that whenever he...
All he did was move his eyeball, and he'd show you how far he moved his eyeball, and that's how the fight started with his wife.
But it was just real insightful, and it was so subtle that it was just so expertly fucking done that it just killed me.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's one of the greats, man.
ron white
Just fucking killed me.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was one of the greats.
I've got to write something down before I forget.
Yeah.
It's just so interesting to think about the guys that inspired you when you first started doing stand-up.
You know, when you first started, like, what that was like to see someone who was really good at this thing that was just like, it was just a weird, foggy dream in the first couple times you go on stage.
Like, how does anyone ever really become a professional?
And then you watch a master go up in murder, and you're like, holy shit!
ron white
And then you realize he's nobody.
There are guys that make him look like he doesn't know what he's doing.
But you kind of have a realm of comedy of what you can see.
And in Boston, that would have been a much bigger...
in Arlington, Texas. - Oh yeah. - You got whatever head ladders came through the Funny Bone chain.
And they were all great.
You know, they all killed everybody.
And nobody really went on to do tremendous businesses like Foxworthy and me and Dan and the Blue Collar Boys.
There wasn't a lot of guys.
joe rogan
Well, you guys opened the door for a lot of new guys that came after you though.
A lot of guys were inspired by that for sure.
ron white
I hope so.
joe rogan
But it's like you need a community, you know, and Boston had a crazy community.
They had a community of assassins that were local guys and then new people were coming in every week that were like big national headliners.
So you'd have all these murderous local guys, and then Dom Herrera would fly in for a weekend.
Bill Hicks would fly in for a weekend.
They had all the road killers.
Whenever a big national act was killing it on the road, they would stop at Nick's Comedy Stop, and we'd all watch them.
So they had the whole thing.
It was like a perfect training ground for learning how to do stand-up.
ron white
Yeah, they never gave a fuck about me in Boston until I got bigger.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's always how it is.
There was too many people there.
ron white
Yeah, that's right.
They had guys.
It was like Denver.
Denver never gave a fuck about me, but I would look at their list of headliners and go, you know, we got Louis Anderson.
They got all these big-name fucking comics, and I wasn't a big-name fucking comic, and I didn't belong on that list.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is what it is.
But you have to have a scene like that.
That's where talent emerges from, and that's what's been really fucking cool about being able to do that here.
Is that to take this place that had a scene.
There was an Austin comedy scene.
The reason why I came here is there was already a club here.
It went under during the pandemic, but it still existed.
ron white
Sure.
joe rogan
And it was always a fun place to work.
And then to have all of us.
You were here first.
So you were the one.
Before the pandemic even hit, you were already here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you were telling me, I fucking love it.
I was like, damn it, Fran White loves it.
There's got to be something to it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you were like, it's the shit.
ron white
I'm reasonable.
I fucking love it.
joe rogan
I fucking love it.
It's not too big, not too small.
Everybody's cool.
I'm like, God damn it.
And I had already thought about it before because of Onnit, you know, because the business is here.
Because I'd have to come down to do stuff occasionally anyway.
And I was always coming down to do stand-up anyway.
And I always loved being down here.
But it wasn't until the pandemic.
And it wasn't until you getting on stage.
That one time when you get on stage, you hadn't got on stage in fucking forever.
And you grabbed me by the shoulder.
You grab me.
You go, we are going to fucking do this.
Whatever it takes, you can open up that club.
ron white
Right.
I meant it, too.
I know you did.
And still do to this fucking day.
I'm behind that 100%.
My effort.
I talk about that club on the road and my shows and just how much it means to me and how cool it is.
joe rogan
It means it to me, too.
It means it to me because you're there, too.
Everybody together in this is a really exciting camaraderie.
ron white
It's a great tribe.
It's fun.
We're blessed to have it.
Yeah, it's very cool.
Very cool.
joe rogan
But you saying that to me that day, I mean, I was going to do it anyway, for sure, but that was an extra fucking turbo gear.
That was an extra kick in the pants.
I was like, let's go.
I made some extra phone calls, tried to close it up, figure out what the problem was.
It was just we had a big adjustment for moving from the old place to the new place.
That was a big pain in the ass.
Because we had spent a considerable amount of time and effort, you know, architects were involved in drawing up plans and people had gone to look at it.
And when it all fell through, they're like, fuck, we gotta start from scratch.
Yeah.
ron white
And everybody blamed me.
joe rogan
Ah!
Well, people didn't believe it.
That's what was funny.
But that's also what makes it more fun when it does open.
Because people are like, he's never gonna do it.
Like, okay.
Just sit back.
I've got some crazy plans.
ron white
If I hear you say you're going to do something, how long is that going to be?
It's going to happen quick.
joe rogan
It would have happened quick.
We would have had this place open probably inside of a year.
ron white
It was perfect the way it did happen.
A lot of anticipation from all of us.
It made us all nervous.
joe rogan
The fact that even with all that anticipation, it still gets an A. Right.
It still gets an A. It sure does.
I know it's my place, but shut the fuck up.
That place is perfect.
ron white
Yeah, it's perfect.
joe rogan
That place is perfect.
We made it perfect.
And we got lucky that we got the right people and the right architect.
Shout out to Richard.
The people that put it together did an amazing job, and it's also like the vibe there is so strong.
It's very fun.
It's real positive.
ron white
Well, you know, we all feel like it's ours, even though you pay all the bills and shit.
joe rogan
Well, it pays the bills now.
ron white
And, you know, people don't know that.
80% of the door goes to the comics.
So there's also no opportunity for a comic to make money.
That kind of money in a local gig, at home, anywhere on the fucking planet Earth, that opportunity does not exist.
joe rogan
Well, I would never do it if I was going to do it for money.
I would never do it that way.
That's crazy.
ron white
It wouldn't make any sense.
joe rogan
You're making less money.
ron white
Yeah, I decided to get in the comedy club business.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I didn't get in the comedy club business.
I got in the business of making comedy and having a place for comedians.
My idea was set up the ideal spot.
And what's the ideal spot?
Well, the ideal spot was that the comedians would get the bulk of the money because the comedians are doing all of the work.
They're the ones who have to come up with the jokes.
If we don't have the comedians, we're just selling drinks.
This is nonsense.
So it's obvious what people are there for.
I knew that when I started getting a percentage of the door.
I knew how it works.
But that should be that way regardless.
That's the real relationship.
You're selling what we do.
You shouldn't be getting 80% of the money.
80% of the money should be going to the comedians.
That's crazy.
There's so much money from booze.
You sell money in alcohol.
You sell money in...
There's still money.
ron white
You can tell the guy that owns the place doesn't give a shit about him turning a profit.
joe rogan
My idea is just don't lose money.
ron white
Speak even.
You know, I'm...
I'm 100% on board.
It's great.
joe rogan
It's the greatest thing.
That's how it should be.
And if you do it that way, then it's really deeply...
There's a commitment to this idea.
We're all committed to this idea.
Just making the most fun possible.
The most comedy possible.
Do our best.
Have a great community.
Have a great tribe.
Have a great vibe.
We're all feeding off each other and talking shit to each other and having a good old time in the back.
And then it fuels us to go on stage.
We're watching each other from the balcony.
It's exciting.
ron white
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
It's very exciting.
ron white
It's fun.
joe rogan
It's very exciting.
ron white
It's the funnest thing ever.
joe rogan
I'm very happy you're a part of it, my brother.
ron white
Hey, brother, thank you.
Thank you.
It's great.
I love being part of the fucking team.
joe rogan
I love having you here, man.
I love everybody.
ron white
In fact, I'm going to headline the room Tuesday night, I think, the 10 o'clock show.
unidentified
Beautiful.
ron white
Are you doing the 7 o'clock show?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm doing the 7 o'clock show.
ron white
I'll come do it.
joe rogan
Okay, beautiful.
All right, man.
unidentified
I'll see you on Tuesday.
joe rogan
All right, love you, man.
ron white
Love you to you.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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