Jan. 11, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Good to see you, brother. | ||
| Thank you for having me, man. | ||
| So we were just talking about injuries, like the life of a fighter. | ||
| You always have something wrong, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's rough. | ||
| I'm getting a little bit older now, and I'm being smarter, but I was training, and I still kind of do almost three times a day. | ||
| So I would do a morning skill session, An afternoon run or an afternoon strength session and then another skill session at night. | ||
| I did that for 10 plus years. | ||
| But I love it though. | ||
| But I'm finding now, I'm trying to find that balance of if it's a hard morning MMA sparring session, night time will be jujitsu and I'll try to make it light. | ||
| But you know how you drill, then you start rolling and when you're rolling hard, It's almost just as... | ||
| I get injured sometimes more during jiu-jitsu, so... | ||
| The whole rolling light is... | ||
| It doesn't happen. | ||
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Never happens. | |
| I was telling my wife, because my hand, I was coming out here, I was like, maybe I can go and I can just, like, drill with Gordon and those guys. | ||
| She was like, you ain't fucking drilling with no... | ||
| If you guys start rolling light, like, there's not gonna be any of that. | ||
| And I'm like, you're 100% right, so... | ||
| That's smart though. | ||
| That's like smarter Sean, like older. | ||
| 100% and that's where like before I'd be like nah, fuck that. | ||
| Like I'm going, I'm gonna go hard and then I'd be injured and then I wouldn't be able to fight. | ||
| The problem with injuries is if you don't give them respect, they get chronic. | ||
| There's so many guys that have an injury. | ||
| And they try to train through it and it just gets worse and worse and worse. | ||
| And then instead of being out for six weeks, now you're out for six months. | ||
| And that was me after my Bilal fight. | ||
| So I came home from Abu Dhabi. | ||
| I didn't have any injuries. | ||
| I wanted to get back and I wanted to get that taste out of my mouth. | ||
| So I'm back training. | ||
| I'm back running and then I start to feel that pain I was telling you about and I literally just kept running like I'd run once I was warmed up like you know it is you warm up the injuries kind of go away like you feel good until you cool down and I did that for a couple months and I had a fight scheduled and I tore my groin and then I rescheduled the fight I did my rehab and this first week back of training it tore again so it was a shitty road Have you had any surgeries? | ||
| I had my deviated septum done. | ||
| Obviously, they didn't fix the outside because this shit's fucked up. | ||
| But besides that, I broke my thumb. | ||
| I never had a knee. | ||
| I've been pretty lucky with no surgeries, but a lot of injuries. | ||
| Isn't the deviated septum one amazing? | ||
| When I got it done, and when you have to have those things in your nose for a week, though, as soon as they pull them out, you feel like a new human. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Oh, it's the best. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| I never knew, like, how much cardio I was missing, not being able to breathe out of my nose. | ||
| Look at, like, Drekus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he got his nose fixed, like, he used to always fight with his mouth open, and people thought he was out of shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the guy just can't breathe out of his nose. | ||
| I think at some point, though, you have to open up your mouth, obviously. | ||
| But I do all my Zone 2 now on the Echo Bike, mouth closed. | ||
| And now I just started doing mouth tape when I sleep. | ||
| My recovery on my aura ring went through the roof. | ||
| Just for mouth tape? | ||
| Just for mouth tape. | ||
| You use hostage tape? | ||
| I had this one called Dream that I got, but hostage, it's the same thing. | ||
| Does it fuck with you with the mustache, though? | ||
| No. | ||
| Sometimes if I have too much facial hair, it doesn't stick that good. | ||
| My buddy Simon was saying that because he had some cheap one. | ||
| He was like, doesn't it bother you when you pull it off? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, a little bit. | ||
| I don't mean that. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't stick good. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| These ones, they stick good. | ||
| You have to pull it off. | ||
| The cheap ones just fall right off. | ||
| I'd wake up and it'd be like, On my fucking shoulder. | ||
| That's interesting that it had that much of an impact on your recovery. | ||
| So you wear an aura ring. | ||
| My wife wears one of those, but I've never worn it. | ||
| How does it work? | ||
| What's the metrics it gives you? | ||
| So I used to have WHOOP and WHOOP couldn't shoot through my tattoos. | ||
| So I'd get inaccurate readings on all my shit and I actually messaged them and they're like, hey, it's just the kind of lighting we have. | ||
| So I would wear it here, but then it would go up on my wrist and then I had nowhere I could wear it. | ||
| This was the next best thing. | ||
| But it does the same. | ||
| It does HRV, heart rate, your sleep, deep sleep, REM. It tracks your workouts, but I really don't care about that. | ||
| If I want to track my workouts, I wear the Polar or MyZone. | ||
| So I'll wear those. | ||
| But yeah, it does your sleep, does your... | ||
| Does a lot of things and this got a new one Morpheus. | ||
| I have Morpheus. | ||
| I have Morpheus too. | ||
| The app is outstanding too. | ||
| I have Morpheus. | ||
| I really like that one. | ||
| You do the HRV in the morning and stuff like that. | ||
| I just I love buying them and I just try them and I like compare them like I'll wear everything and I'll do the echo bike workout and I'll compare like my heart rates and stuff like that. | ||
| So yeah, it's fun. | ||
| But when I got my nose fixed, it was a game changer for sure. | ||
| Yeah, it's just such a different thing to be able to breathe out of your nose. | ||
| But it's interesting to me that the sleep, that your recovery is better. | ||
| I just always wonder why. | ||
| Why breathing through the nose while you sleep improves your recovery? | ||
| Well, I'll snore. | ||
| If I sleep on my back, my wife will hit me and she's like, you're fucking snoring. | ||
| I'll turn on my side, and I won't snore anymore, and then I added the mouth tape, and I just started doing no THC, but just CBD gummies, and my wife too, she's a nurse. | ||
| She's like getting the best fucking sleep she's ever had. | ||
| Our deep, because you can see the deep sleep on there. | ||
| I have the eight sleep mats. | ||
| Mattress too. | ||
| So I can compare and our deep sleep is from the CBD for me and the mouth tape is through the roof. | ||
| She doesn't do the mouth tape, but she does the CBD and our deep sleep is fucking great. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So does it give you a score? | ||
| What is your score that you get? | ||
| So it will give you like... | ||
| Can I pull my phone out? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I posted one the other day. | ||
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So here it is. | |
| Jamie's pulled it up there. | ||
| So it shows you readiness. | ||
| So time to recover is 44. That's me today for sure. | ||
| Trade carefully is 75. And then good day ahead is 96. This was my one when I wore the mouth tape and the CBD. My heart rate was 38. Yeah, that's great. | ||
| No, that's awesome. | ||
| And usually my deep sleep doesn't get as deep. | ||
| Resting heart rate 38 is pretty fucking low. | ||
| Yeah, especially not for in camp. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
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That's great. | |
| The description of what makes it maybe a little different. | ||
| It says each person a unique version of normal rather than your base averages on impersonal population benchmarks like hit 10,000 steps. | ||
| Aura gets to know you and provides you with personalized baselines and insights. | ||
| Whether your sleep took a hit after a night out, or you're prioritizing balance in your wellness routine, Aura helps you reach your goals by delivering the best 360 degree view of your health. | ||
| I like it, but can't wear it during MMA practice or anything like that, so I'll take it off, but I was getting almost too caught up with the whoop, because you wake up when you're in a training camp, you're most likely going to be in the yellow or the red. | ||
| You're not always going to be in the green, then it's like telling you to take it easy. | ||
| It's like, I fucking can't take it easy. | ||
| I have a fight in fucking... | ||
| You have to find the balance of knowing, like, I actually really feel like shit or this thing's just telling me I feel like shit. | ||
| It's really funny that balance between, like, especially when someone's just completely obsessed. | ||
| Like, I was listening to this or watching this video where Craig Jones was talking about when he was training, especially when he was first starting out, He was training every day. | ||
| And he went to a doctor, and the doctor's like, you might have cancer. | ||
| You might have a serious illness. | ||
| What's wrong with your body? | ||
| And it really was just that he was just worn out. | ||
| He was completely overtrained. | ||
| And with MMA, we just have so many things we have to cover. | ||
| We have to do boxing, we have to do wrestling, we have to do Muay Thai. | ||
| And then I'm big into strength and conditioning, so I have to lift. | ||
| But that's something I've gotten better with. | ||
| I lift three days a week now. | ||
| I have a strength coach that works with the Eagles. | ||
| His name's Gabe. | ||
| And he's like, we go in, we warm up, we're doing all this shit. | ||
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| I want to do this. | ||
| But now, I love it. | ||
| It's just getting me more athletic. | ||
| It's more just like GPP, just keeping me prepared and just getting me ready for my MMA sessions and just keeping me strong. | ||
| We do trap bar deadlifts. | ||
| We do front squats. | ||
| I don't get crazy with a lot of the lifts I used to do. | ||
| I used to want to lift a fucking power lifter. | ||
| I'd be benching and straight bar deadlifts and back squats. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| That's not what we do. | ||
| Why did you get into that initially? | ||
| Was it just for Jiu Jitsu? | ||
| I started off lifting before I started MMA. So I started training when I was like 16, but I started off lifting at my local rec center. | ||
| Just benching every day, and then I really got into lifting. | ||
| I would have the squat bench deadlift, trying to get my numbers up, and then eventually I kept hurting my back. | ||
| I was like 21 years old with a wrecked back. | ||
| So now I just do trap bar deadlifts. | ||
| No more straight bar, anything like that. | ||
| I think the straight bar just puts you in a bad position, whereas the trap bar puts you in a more natural position to squat down and lift. | ||
| And you can still put on some good weight on there, so it does the job for me. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of people that think that deadlifts are just not worth it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The amount of possibility, the possibility of injury in your back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That there's other ways to, like, you saw that machine, we had the belt squat machine. | ||
| Belt squat's the best. | ||
| Which is such a great machine for your legs. | ||
| I mean, it just puts all the weight on your hips. | ||
| You're not compressing your spine at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yet you can get, like, big numbers. | ||
| Yeah, you don't have that bar on your back. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's, like, in camp we do a lot of, uh, the belt squat walks. | ||
| So we'll do three five minute rounds of, We'll put on, like, if I'm fighting it, I fight at 170, we put on 170 pounds, and we walk for five minutes, like, just side to side, rest one minute, and we do it for three rounds. | ||
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Oof. | |
| So, but by the end of it, you're fucking, your hips are cooked. | ||
| But it's good, though. | ||
| Like, I don't have that bar on my back, and like you said, It's compressing you and that's how you get hurt. | ||
| That's another Louie Simmons invention. | ||
| That fucking guy was a genius. | ||
| The best. | ||
| He was such a genius. | ||
| That's like the method we do is like the conjugate. | ||
| So we do a dynamic upper, dynamic lower, max effort, max effort. | ||
| So we do a lot of sled pulls, backwards, forwards. | ||
| So it's a lot of the Louie stuff. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| It's interesting when you see fighters training in their strength and conditioning routines because it's so hard to figure out what's the optimal balance between strength work and skill work. | ||
| And then we were talking about how GSP, especially towards the end of his career, all he did was do skills. | ||
| He didn't really do any strength and conditioning. | ||
| Well, because think about the NFL. If you go into the Eagles or the Steelers, they might have different coaches and small things they do, but almost everything they're doing is going to be the same. | ||
| They have that strength system figured out. | ||
| MMA guys, I know guys who don't work out at all. | ||
| I know some guys who do bodybuilding. | ||
| I know guys who do powerlifting programs. | ||
| So no one has it figured out yet to where... | ||
| Maybe in 10, 20 years from now, they will, but right now, no one's got it figured out. | ||
| So we're all kind of just... | ||
| Trying to see what works best. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's like the Sam Calavita method, which a lot of people really like. | ||
| I was listening to Bo. | ||
| He's a wild man. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Sam does some crazy shit. | ||
| He does. | ||
| But like you were saying, Bo, I think there's definitely a point of no return where you go too hard. | ||
| Those workouts like they kind of start to pull away from all your skill training because if I have to recover for fucking four days from a bike workout, I just missed maybe potentially eight sessions that I could have been working on my skill. | ||
| And that's something I'm still like I had to figure out. | ||
| Well, you know, Marv Marinovich who was training BJ Penn when BJ was the fucking man. | ||
| There was a time where, like people forget, there was a time when BJ was in his prime where I would put BJ against any 155 pounder that ever left. | ||
| He was a monster. | ||
| And when he was training with Marinovic, they really didn't have him doing any skill training. | ||
| It was almost all cardio and plyometrics and these dynamic sprinting things. | ||
| And their idea was, like, BJ already knows how to fight. | ||
| Like, the problem is the gas tank. | ||
| Like, giving him a fucking insane gas tank where he can go as hard as he wants. | ||
| Do your drills, do your own stuff, but to have extensive MMA training, they're like for six weeks or eight weeks, you already know how to fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just six weeks, eight weeks, just we're gonna blow it out with this insane cardiovascular routine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they got him in just fucking superhuman shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In superhuman shape, BJ was scared. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Who? | ||
| Sean Shirk, BJ. That knee against the cage. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Joe Stevenson, when he beat Joe Stevenson up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was a, he was a monster, man. | ||
| Did he move up to 70 before or after that? | ||
| Well, he moved up to 70, I think, for fun. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Because he didn't even really move up to 70. He just didn't diet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He probably walked down to 170 pounds. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he was pudgy. | ||
| When he beat Matt Hughes, he wasn't big. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
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It was just jiu-jitsu. | |
| And Matt Hughes was a monster. | ||
| He had that farm strength. | ||
| He was jacked. | ||
| He was fucking strong. | ||
| And now we all walk around close to 200 pounds. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Close to 200. I cut from fight week. | ||
| I show up. | ||
| I'm 190 pounds. | ||
| What's the heaviest you ever get? | ||
| I used to get heavy. | ||
| I'd be like 205. But when I was younger, I'd go out after a fight and celebrate and eat like shit and drink. | ||
| Now, I don't drink alcohol. | ||
| I don't eat bad. | ||
| I ate a bad Sunday the day I got home from Austin with my wife, and I felt like a piece of shit. | ||
| I go so hard. | ||
| I'm like, I never want to feel like this again. | ||
| Now, 195, 197 is the heaviest I'll get. | ||
| That was a big win for you, though. | ||
| You need to celebrate that one. | ||
| Yeah, it was... | ||
| But I needed to get back, and I got into it. | ||
| But 195, like, 10% body fat, like, that's where my DEXA scans at, and that's where I feel great, like, 195. And then I'll slowly get down to 190, and that's where I start my, like, actual water cut from. | ||
| So... | ||
| They weighed me in the back at that flight. | ||
| I was 193 right before I fall Kelvin. | ||
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Really? | |
| So you put 23 pounds on? | ||
| 23, yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's nuts. | ||
| How bad do you feel when you step on that scale? | ||
| Not that bad. | ||
| This last one was my... | ||
| I was on weight the night before. | ||
| I had probably three liters of water that day before I even went to sleep. | ||
| So I woke up. | ||
| I was 178 on Thursday. | ||
| I went to the sauna. | ||
| We went to a fucking LA Fitness right by us. | ||
| I cut eight pounds by accident. | ||
| I cut all my weight. | ||
| I weighed myself in an hour. | ||
| I was on weight. | ||
| So I hit up. | ||
| I worked with Charles from the PI. They're the best. | ||
| Hit him up. | ||
| Told him what happened. | ||
| He was like, hey... | ||
| It gave me the exact amounts to drink and I was drinking and eating on Thursday. | ||
| I think I put back on four pounds. | ||
| I went to the sauna that night. | ||
| I cut all of it in 30 minutes. | ||
| I'm always on weight the night before. | ||
| I never ever want to wake up and know I have to go cut weight because those sweats are so hard to break. | ||
| When your body fat's that low, to break that first sweat, it's fucking hard. | ||
| So I like to get on the night before and just be done with it. | ||
| There's different schools of thought. | ||
| Some guys like to just have a good night's sleep because they say they can't sleep when they're cutting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like you're already into that cut, though. | ||
| So if you're going to sleep bad, I think you're going to sleep bad regardless. | ||
| So I'd just rather not have that stress of, like, fuck, I've got to wake up and cut. | ||
| I know guys who wake up, they cut 10, 15 pounds. | ||
| But that's how we used to do it when the weigh-ins were at 6 o'clock because you had all that time. | ||
| Now they're at 9, so I try to sleep until 7, right? | ||
| Get up and then you have to be over there by 8, 8.30, try to be one of the first ones on the scale and then just start hammering those liquids back in. | ||
| I wish they would let people do IVs. | ||
| I feel like if you're gonna allow people to have these massive cuts, they would have better performances if you let them do IVs. | ||
| We used to fucking... | ||
| We'd get hooked up with the IVs and we'd feel like Superman, like 10 pounds immediately. | ||
| But the only negative aspect of it is they say that it can mask performance-envancing drugs. | ||
| But I think the solution to that is test the guys as they're cutting. | ||
| Test the guys before they rehydrate. | ||
| Test them then. | ||
| So that way you know. | ||
| If you took something then, it's not going to help you in 10 hours. | ||
| Guys are definitely still doing it though. | ||
| They have to be. | ||
| Guys are doing it 100%. | ||
| And now with this new thing that we're under... | ||
| You think guys are doing IVs? | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| Really? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, because if guys are cheating and getting away, because guys are definitely getting away with taking PEDs, there's a way to get away with, like, what are they going to test for? | ||
| The traces of the plastic in your blood? | ||
| I think that's it, yeah. | ||
| But from what I heard, we're drinking shit that has plastic in it all the time, so how are you going to know it's an IV? That's a good question. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I was hoping that with this new thing with USADA being done, we were going to be able to IV. But I was talking to Charles from the PI. He said the science, I don't know behind it, but he was saying it's better orally to do it anyway. | ||
| You're better off doing it with the amount of time we have than IV. So I'm like, hey, I get all my weight back on. | ||
| I can't complain. | ||
| Why is it better orally? | ||
| It seems like getting it right into your bloodstream would be quicker. | ||
| Obviously, you do IVs. | ||
| It'd be after cutting weight, so I'd be super bloated afterwards. | ||
| I mean, you get bloated from drinking your liquids you have to put back in anyway, but that's the only thing I'm thinking. | ||
| Maybe it'll just fuck up your stomach more, but I don't know. | ||
| It's such a weird balance. | ||
| It's so interesting when you have something like the UFC PI, which is super high-tech, super scientific. | ||
| They can tell you how much water to drink. | ||
| It used to be guys were just kind of winging it, and they would fuck it up one time and get it right the next time. | ||
| They give us a sheet because we have Joey Piper fighting December 10th. | ||
| He has a main event. | ||
| So I'm going to go out there, do all my testing, and they give you a sheet. | ||
| They know how many calories you burn at absolute rest. | ||
| They know your body better than you do, and they give you a sheet after you weigh in. | ||
| You need 4,500 calories. | ||
| You need 1,000 grams of carbs. | ||
| You need all these different macros, and it's right there. | ||
| I know they do that with some fighters. | ||
| They give you meal prep. | ||
| How are they doing that? | ||
| They do it based on each athlete, your weight? | ||
| As far as I know, yeah. | ||
| I've hired other nutritionists and stuff like that, but the PI does it great. | ||
| It's free for all UFC fighters. | ||
| If you're just in contact with them all the time, like I am, they make it so easy for you. | ||
| They hand you your meals. | ||
| They're like, listen, eat this, eat this, eat this, and then you should be good to go. | ||
| Like, they're taking your weight. | ||
| They tell you how much water to drink. | ||
| Like, they make it pretty easy for us, you know? | ||
| And do they provide you guys with supplements? | ||
| Thorn. | ||
| Thorn. | ||
| Okay, so it's all set up for you. | ||
| Yeah, so if you want all thorn, like... | ||
| Now we have an app that we go on and we can put in an order every month that we want. | ||
| So they do a lot of good shit for us. | ||
| What are you not allowed to take? | ||
| You're allowed to take creatine, right? | ||
| Creatine. | ||
| Yeah, so any supplement that's third-party tested. | ||
| So I use this company called Allmax. | ||
| They have some things that are third-party tested and some things that aren't. | ||
| So all the things that are third-party, I think it's informed choice. | ||
| So, Informed Choice, BSCG. Like, I take ShroomTech from Onnit. | ||
| You guys have BSCG. I can take that. | ||
| But if it didn't, you can take it, but now it's at your own risk. | ||
| So, anything that's third-party tested, we're good to go. | ||
| But I thought going into this now, we'd be able to do more stuff. | ||
| I was asking Jeff about, I text Jeff Nowinski, and I was asking about peptides. | ||
| I just wanted to see maybe for my hand or just any injuries. | ||
| I'm like, are we going to be allowed to take this? | ||
| And it's an absolute no. | ||
| Yeah, I was talking to them about that too, as well as the new guy from Drug Free Sport. | ||
| I forget his name. | ||
| But the guy was taking over from USADA and they were saying no because peptides, you'll get popped for it at each individual commission. | ||
| So if you're in Florida and they don't allow it, you test there, the Florida Commission will pop you for it. | ||
| Yeah, because I was asking him, he said even if they didn't allow it, he said all the states, like they won't give you, it's called a TUE, some kind of exemption, and they said none of them would do it. | ||
| So I'm like, alright, well just good to know. | ||
| But like stem cells and stuff like that, like As far as I know, that's all good to go. | ||
| Yeah, that's all good to go. | ||
| Yeah, creatine, protein, all that shit. | ||
| There's so many companies now who have third-party tests and stuff. | ||
| You can take plenty of stuff. | ||
| Fish oil. | ||
| And then if you don't want to go outside the realm, just stay with Thorn because their shit's super high quality. | ||
| And the UFC gives all that stuff to you for free. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So do you ever do a camp at the PI, or do your camps all in Philly? | ||
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No. | |
| I've done all my camps in Philly, and that's something that I'm super proud and happy about. | ||
| I'm born and raised in Philly. | ||
| I never left. | ||
| We have a small team. | ||
| It's called Marquez MMA. We have six guys in the UFC right now. | ||
| We have me, Joey Pfeiffer, Pat Sabatini, Andre Petroski, Jeremiah Wells. | ||
| That's a great crew. | ||
| We got a good squad. | ||
| We had Paul Felder. | ||
| Paul was one of the first guys out of Philly. | ||
| Besides, I train with Eddie Alvarez. | ||
| We have a good group of Philly guys. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| I fought Christian Aguilera, and I put him to sleep with a guillotine. | ||
| Eddie was my main training partner because it was during COVID. He was fighting for one FC. No one was training, and he hit me up. | ||
| He was like, yo, are you guys training? | ||
| I was like, fuck yeah, we're training. | ||
| We had all of our windows. | ||
| Because in Philly, they were shutting shit down. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But we all had fights, so we're like, we're fucking training. | ||
| So me and Eddie got super close during that. | ||
| When Cormier fought Stipe, he got COVID during camp and just trained right through it. | ||
| Just kept going. | ||
| I fought, first time when you interviewed me and you weren't even in the cage, it was when they were still doing... | ||
| Oh, that was ridiculous. | ||
| It was Jake Matthews. | ||
| I had COVID two weeks before the fight. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
| How crazy that was. | ||
| You just had a fucking cage fight. | ||
| So you're on top of each other, sweating, pounding on each other. | ||
| Everyone's tested. | ||
| I'm tested. | ||
| All the announcers are tested. | ||
| All the referees are tested. | ||
| And we still couldn't be next to each other when I interviewed you. | ||
| That was so dumb. | ||
| So I had COVID two weeks before that. | ||
| Only symptoms I had were I lost my taste and my smell, which that fucking sucks. | ||
| For food, right? | ||
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Food. | |
| I love drinking coffee, especially when you're in camp and you're cutting weight. | ||
| That's the only thing you really get to enjoy. | ||
| I get to fight week show up because I tested negative before I got there. | ||
| I let the UFC know. | ||
| I get there. | ||
| I take my first test. | ||
| When you were getting tested, you get a text, you're good to go to work. | ||
| All my coaches sitting around me all got their texts at 7 a.m. | ||
| My phone never goes off. | ||
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| I'm like, something's not right. | ||
| I get a phone call. | ||
| They're like, hey, you tested positive. | ||
| I'm like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So I sent them my results. | ||
| It was a false positive. | ||
| So luckily, I sent them all my stuff and let them know I had COVID two weeks ago. | ||
| So everything obviously went through, but If I didn't do that, they would have canceled my flight right there. | ||
| I was getting calls from the CDC because I was in Vegas. | ||
| They're telling me I can't leave the state. | ||
| Like, I can't fly home. | ||
| I was like, fuck that. | ||
| I was like, I'm driving the next city over and I'm flying home if I can't flight. | ||
| Like, I'm not staying here. | ||
| So, yeah, that was... | ||
| What a wild time. | ||
| But it's still lingering. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| They're trying to bring it back in some ways. | ||
| I still see people like in restaurants. | ||
| I saw the other day a server was wearing a mask. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| The best is when you're in your car by yourself. | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| You're by yourself. | ||
| Wearing a mask. | ||
| There's no one around you. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These people are just insane. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Some people just lost their minds. | ||
| I mean, they just broke a fuse. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But the hospital is like, my wife's an RN and she said they're reinstating the mask mandate. | ||
| But I think it might be, there's flu and then there's COVID and shit. | ||
| It's just not even scientific. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's not even based on science. | ||
| Are you doing it to make people feel better? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because the science doesn't support mask use. | ||
| It just doesn't. | ||
| Before the Kelvin fight, like three weeks in, I had lost my taste and my smell. | ||
| I'm like, I definitely have COVID. I've refused to test myself, though. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not testing myself. | ||
| Like, I'm not doing it. | ||
| Like, I trained, and I'm like, if I... Because if I tested myself, and if I had it, then I'd be like, fuck. | ||
| Like, I feel bad. | ||
| Are they testing anybody anymore? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm just sick. | ||
| Like, I'm just normal. | ||
| Like, my normal sick. | ||
| Like, you can get normal... | ||
| I'm like, all I taste is metal for three weeks, but... | ||
| I'm like, I don't know what that is. | ||
| Isn't it crazy, though, that it feels like normal sick, but because you have this label on it, it's not the same COVID anymore. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| And they're still treating it like it's this deadly disease. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I knew a few people who got fucked up, but people also get fucked up from the flu. | ||
| People get fucked up from normal sicknesses. | ||
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I had a friend who was just in bed for 10 days with the flu. | |
| Sick as shit. | ||
| Sick as shit. | ||
| Like... | ||
| No one shut anything down. | ||
| And that was... | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| But now, like you said, there's... | ||
| COVID's attached to that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And if you post about it or you say shit about it, like, these motherfuckers are trying to come at you and cancel you. | ||
| So, like, I try to, like... | ||
| On social media, you just gotta... | ||
| Kinda gotta just sit back and let these crazy-ass people just say their shit. | ||
| There's just so many insane people on social media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're so insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And COVID just gives them an excuse to be a cunt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| We just give so many people an excuse to just yell at people. | ||
| We're starting to get tired of it though. | ||
| People like me and you and people who want to just go about their life. | ||
| Two weeks in, I was back to my normal shit. | ||
| I was running. | ||
| I was doing all my shit. | ||
| I thought I was never going back. | ||
| I'm like, this is going to be fucking nuts. | ||
| I would go to parks and they'd have the parks closed. | ||
| I'm like, you're telling me I can't go run a wooded trail by myself? | ||
| Then people would start coming out. | ||
| They all had masks on. | ||
| I'm like, you're in the woods. | ||
| And they were supposed to be six feet apart from each other. | ||
| Like, what the fuck are we doing here? | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| They arrested a guy. | ||
| The Coast Guard got a guy who was surfing. | ||
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This dude's on the ocean, by himself, on a fucking surfboard, and the Coast Guard rolls up on this dude. | |
| Is this a good use of resources, folks? | ||
| Like, let's go, buddy. | ||
| You're getting locked the fuck up. | ||
| So dumb, man. | ||
| I'll never forget how dumb it was. | ||
| It's like it's all kind of normalized now. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| It was just a couple of years ago. | ||
| Everybody had lost their minds. | ||
| Well, we look back at it, I'm like, it's not that long ago. | ||
| Our whole country was just fucked up, and now we're just like, it's like it never happened. | ||
| I'm like, this is crazy. | ||
| Well, it seems always seems more preposterous to MMA fighters or jujitsu guys or anybody who does anything that's actually dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because you're doing something dangerous all the time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And also, you're in supreme health and condition. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then they ask you to do something ridiculous forever. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Stay in your house for a year. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| That's the worst thing you can do. | ||
| Yeah, terrible for you. | ||
| But they don't want you to be healthy. | ||
| They want you to be fat. | ||
| They want you to be lazy. | ||
| They don't want you working out. | ||
| They don't want you eating right. | ||
| Well, they definitely want you to comply. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was the most important thing that they wanted during that time. | ||
| They wanted full compliance from people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if they could scare you into compliance, that's the way they did it. | ||
| It fucking worked for a lot of people. | ||
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Boy, it did. | |
| It scared the shit out of me because I was like, oh my god, there's so many pussies out here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many people that will roll over for the government even if what they're saying doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Even if it's not scientific, it's just really disheartening. | ||
| But they even put us... | ||
| It was almost like a position where I'm like, damn, I'm not vaccinated. | ||
| I'm like, am I going to have to get this shot so I can fight? | ||
| I'm like, then it's going to come like... | ||
| Do I retire because I don't want this fucking shot? | ||
| I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to do. | ||
| So luckily it didn't come to that because choosing my career or getting that fucking shot, I don't know what I would have did. | ||
| I almost got the shot. | ||
| The whole UFC, the UFC staff, they allocated all these vaccines. | ||
| They had it set up. | ||
| So Dana and I were talking. | ||
| He goes, if you want to get vaccinated, we have them for you. | ||
| I go, great. | ||
| I wasn't even remotely hesitant in the beginning. | ||
| And just by luck, I get there on Saturday for the fight and I call the doctor and I say, hey, I thought they could do it for me at the arena. | ||
| So I was going to do it, get vaccinated, and just call the fight. | ||
| How bad could it be? | ||
| I wasn't hearing anything bad about it. | ||
| He said, no, we have to do it at the clinic. | ||
| Can you come on Monday? | ||
| And I said, I have to go home. | ||
| I go, but we'll be back in two weeks because we had fights in two weeks. | ||
| And then within two weeks, they pulled it. | ||
| That's when they pulled it. | ||
| When Johnson& Johnson was one. | ||
| And then I knew two dudes who got strokes. | ||
| Two guys. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I was like, what is going on? | ||
| And so then I started getting a little weird. | ||
| And then I started, like, listening to these doctors that were speaking out against this technology. | ||
| And then I listened to Dr. Robert Malone, who he owns nine patents in the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he had a very severe reaction to the vaccine. | ||
| And he posted about his reactions. | ||
| And then I had him on. | ||
| And then people started getting mad at me. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This guy's a legit doctor. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, my mom's a nurse, too. | ||
| And she got her yearly flu shot. | ||
| And the chick who gave it to her must have gave it to her wrong and fucked her shoulder up. | ||
| So she had problems in her shoulder. | ||
| And then it came to getting the COVID shot. | ||
| She's like, I'm not getting it. | ||
| And it wasn't any reason. | ||
| She didn't know shit about COVID at the time. | ||
| She was like, I just don't want to get another shot. | ||
| So they were getting tested. | ||
| They made a super small window where they had to be there, whether you had work or if you didn't have work, and you had to get tested three times a week or some stupid shit like that. | ||
| So they were making it super hard for the nurses who didn't get vaccinated to do their job. | ||
| I'm like, yo, these are the people who are saving these fucking people who are coming in who are sick. | ||
| And almost all of them get exposed to it, and almost all of them develop natural immunity. | ||
| They were trying to pretend that natural immunity was bullshit. | ||
| I've heard people say it recently, natural immunity has been debunked. | ||
| No, it hasn't. | ||
| There's actual studies that show it was multiple times better than the vaccine. | ||
| Yeah, when I faced Craig Jones in that grappling match, my whole fucking team was sick. | ||
| And at that point, none of us were getting tested. | ||
| I'm like, dude, we definitely all have COVID. But I'm not getting tested. | ||
| I'm not doing it. | ||
| Just because I feel like shit. | ||
| I don't know if I'm run down or whatever it is, but I'm not saying it's COVID and I can't go do what I'm going to do this weekend. | ||
| I'm not doing it. | ||
| When you do something like that, so you're one of the most promising welterweight contenders in the sport. | ||
| As your career progresses, you'll probably get a shot at a title within the next couple of years. | ||
| Taking a grappling match, that's a risky move. | ||
| Especially against a world-class guy like Craig Jones. | ||
| Well, it's funny because the only thing Craig couldn't do in that match, he couldn't heel hook me, but he could... | ||
| Straight knee bar me, straight ankle lock me, anything besides heel hooks. | ||
| So after the match... | ||
| Is that your idea? | ||
| No, that's the UFC's. | ||
| So Fury was working with the UFC, and the UFC told them, like, hey, all UFC guys, just no heel hooks. | ||
| Even, like, Aldo just did that match for them, and the only thing they couldn't do was no heel hooks. | ||
| Just because of, like, no tearing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, like, at Leglock or, like, Craig or anyone else, like, you still have all those other submissions you can do. | ||
| So, it's not like you're getting handicapped that fucking bad, where, like, people were giving me shit online, like, oh, you had a handicap on this and that. | ||
| I'm like, I'm a UFC fighter. | ||
| Like, this was the rules. | ||
| I didn't, like, he... | ||
| You didn't make the rules. | ||
| You could kneebar me, you could straight ankle lock me, you could do all these other things. | ||
| So, you could toehold me, but... | ||
| Yeah, but I like that they don't do the heel hooks. | ||
| Yeah, it is a risky one, man. | ||
| I mean, how many guys have ripped their knee apart heel hooks? | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's bad. | ||
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A lot. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you see that Mikey Musumechi one in 1FC where the guy wouldn't tap? | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| Dude, I can't watch that one. | ||
| He ripped that guy's knee apart. | ||
| I don't know how that guy's doing right now. | ||
| He's probably not doing well. | ||
| I gotta imagine his knee is ruined for the rest of his life. | ||
| Was it um... | ||
| See if you can find that video, because it's so hard to watch, because we were talking about Mikey before. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because he's calling out some dude who's a bully. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, he destroys this guy's knee. | ||
| I mean, destroys it. | ||
| The guy won't tap. | ||
| He's got him in a knee bar here. | ||
| The guy won't tap. | ||
| So now he adjusts, and now he's ripping it sideways. | ||
| I mean, look at the guy's knee. | ||
| Look at the motion of his knee. | ||
| Oh, god damn! | ||
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So you see the way he's holding that? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He calls that the Mikey Lock. | ||
| And the guys I train with at Movement Art, they show it. | ||
| And dude, it's nasty. | ||
| He's a monster, man. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| I heard he does very well against all the biggest, like even guys who are a lot bigger than him. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| He's so technical. | ||
| Well, we were just talking about Craig. | ||
| How about Craig versus Vinny? | ||
| Oh yeah, he broke his leg. | ||
| Broke his leg and Vinny wouldn't tap. | ||
| I'm like, bro. | ||
| And Craig's like, your leg's broken. | ||
| And then he went again. | ||
| And then he finally was like, alright, I'm done. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| But yeah, I did that match with Craig and I did another one with Ben Saunders. | ||
| And it was the same thing. | ||
| Same rules, just no heel hook. | ||
| Yeah, but beating Craig Jones in a grappling match, even if there's no heel hooks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Dude, that was gigantic. | ||
| I just went into it, I'm like... | ||
| I'm going to stay on top. | ||
| I played by the rules. | ||
| And I'm like, if he doesn't sweep me or get under me, I'm going to win. | ||
| And then there was odds for it. | ||
| I was like an 18 to 1 underdog or something like that. | ||
| He was supposed to smoke me, which he should have. | ||
| But people were giving me shit online. | ||
| I'm like, listen, I just went in there and just did what I knew I was going to do. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| Oh, so this is what happened to the dude. | ||
| Torn ACL, torn MCL, torn meniscus, and a broken ankle. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So Mikey said, I'm really sick to my stomach. | ||
| I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He goes, I've been training for 22 years. | ||
| I never broke someone's leg that much. | ||
| I've broken a lot of legs, he said, but that leg exploded. | ||
| I didn't know what to do and it was disgusting and gross. | ||
| I really wish he tapped. | ||
| The result didn't change and now he's in the hospital. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| But what a warrior is for showing his will. | ||
| I mean, the dude is a warrior, but I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| You gotta tap. | ||
| You're losing anyway. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Tap. | ||
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Just tap. | |
| Knees, shoulders. | ||
| Like, I'd rather almost not tap, maybe, like, if I'm gonna pick something, it'd be like an arm bar. | ||
| A straight arm bar. | ||
| Where it's the elbow. | ||
| Kimura, your shoulder. | ||
| Not just the shoulder, but that spiral fracture. | ||
| Like when Frank Mir gave it to Minotauro and you see his arm snap. | ||
| Just like a chicken wing. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| That one's so scary. | ||
| Minotauro, he had a giant scar up his arm. | ||
| It was a spiral fracture. | ||
| When he rolled through the way he did. | ||
| It was beautiful, though. | ||
| When he turned it and he hit a snap. | ||
| Put it behind his back. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Frank Mir has broken two arms of world champions. | ||
| Who else did he do? | ||
| Tim Sylvia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Snapped his forearm in half. | ||
| He was good. | ||
| I was just watching him versus DC the other day. | ||
| When I'm on the Echo bike, I always just watch fights, and I was watching him versus DC, and... | ||
| I'm like, damn, DC was a motherfucker back in the day. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| And he was not even really a heavyweight. | ||
| No. | ||
| He was so small. | ||
| DC could have been a 185. He was so small. | ||
| Yeah, look at him. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| I mean, he carried around so much body fat, but his wrestling was so fucking high level, man. | ||
| And he's such a tank. | ||
| The outside, like, high crotches he would hit when he dumps the dudes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, DC was the man. | ||
| And he was actually hurting Frank on the... | ||
| I don't think there was one takedown scored on either side here. | ||
| I think they just struck the whole time, but DC kind of just put it on them. | ||
| DC was an animal, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was one of those things, iron sharpens iron, because DC was training with Cain Velasquez. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cain was the fucking man. | ||
| Kane, that's another guy. | ||
| When people look at all-time greats, you gotta look at them when they're in their prime. | ||
| Sometimes guys get injured, they fall apart, things happen, they get old, and then you're looking at these fights where they're getting beaten up. | ||
| You can't look at those fights. | ||
| You gotta look at the fights like, When they were their highest RPMs, how did they perform? | ||
| Anderson, same thing. | ||
| Guys who are watching fights now, I'm like, you guys don't. | ||
| I remember they came to Philly, it was Anderson versus Forrest Griffin. | ||
| That's when I first got into watching fights. | ||
| I think it was 2009. And he did that step back and was dipping the punches and hit him once and Forrest just quit. | ||
| I'm like, this guy's the best. | ||
| And he moved up to 205 for that. | ||
| I heard that Forrest though got knocked out twice in camp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For that fight. | ||
| That's what I had heard. | ||
| Oh, it happens all the time. | ||
| And I think that's true because I think Forrest at that time was, you know, Forrest is, look at it. | ||
| He wanted to help him up. | ||
| Jesus, right here. | ||
| He's just like... | ||
| It was just complete different levels. | ||
| Yeah, I think he ran out of the arena. | ||
| Yeah, it's that right hand. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| But I genuinely think that those concussions that he got in camp had an effect. | ||
| There's quite a few times where you see guys fight and you're like, man, something's wrong. | ||
| That guy got knocked out too easy. | ||
| And then you'll hear, oh, he got knocked out in training two weeks ago. | ||
| And that... | ||
| Even if you don't get knocked out, you're fucking getting hit in your head. | ||
| You might not be going out, but I definitely left practice before, and I'm like, damn, I'm fuzzy. | ||
| Guys are definitely... | ||
| We're pretty controlled. | ||
| I only go with guys I trust, too. | ||
| And that's something I think you have to do. | ||
| Guys I only try... | ||
| Injuries can happen, but I'm not going to try to knock you out. | ||
| You're not going to try to knock me out. | ||
| And you have that agreeance. | ||
| Because that's how a small team like our team... | ||
| All of us came up in the same gym. | ||
| We have one head coach. | ||
| I'm working with Dean Thomas now. | ||
| I love Dean. | ||
| The best. | ||
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He's the man. | |
| He's coming down to Philly all the time. | ||
| He was in my corner for that fight. | ||
| Great addition to the team, but he loves our team. | ||
| We're a small team, but we just fuck in. | ||
| We just grind, and we just want everyone to keep getting better, but John Marquez is our head coach, and we go hard, but now, if it gets out of control, he steps right in and shuts that shit down. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| We're all wearing headgear now. | ||
| I fucking hate headgear, though, because I just feel like you get hit more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I got a headgear from Onyx, and it's the small one, and it's thin, you can actually see. | ||
| So it's Trevor Whitman's. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| I hit them up, and they sent it right out to me, and it's good, like, because you can grapple with it. | ||
| He makes the best shit. | ||
| Best shit. | ||
| The best shit, the best gloves. | ||
| They sent me gloves, and I was like, yo, can I get your MMA gloves? | ||
| Like, I'll pay whatever it costs, and Gaethje was like, nah, they're not out yet. | ||
| I'm like, alright, well, when they're out. | ||
| Dude, the UFC, I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't know how it went wrong. | ||
| But the UFC was talking to Trevor about using his MMA gloves. | ||
| He has absolutely superior MMA gloves. | ||
| They're the best. | ||
| No one even comes close. | ||
| And when you make a fist with those, it actually encourages a closed fist. | ||
| You have to work to open your hands like this. | ||
| You have to actually work against the glove. | ||
| Whereas the UFC gloves, they kind of open your hand up more and you have to work to close it. | ||
| The arm, like, you fucking know. | ||
| That arm pump we get from when I put, like, I get the smallest hand wraps. | ||
| Like, I tell whoever's wrapped, I'm like, give me a grappler's wrap. | ||
| Like, I almost want nothing because once you have that wrap on, you have the glove on, like, when you're trying to close your fist, I'm like, I'm getting fucking arm pumped just from trying to close my fucking It's Trevor. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| It's Trevor's gloves. | ||
| I should probably reinstitute these talks and try to get it going again. | ||
| I really should. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to do that. | ||
| Because they're superior. | ||
| They're absolutely the best gloves. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| It's a problem, for sure. | ||
| I don't know what happened, what went wrong, but Trevor uses superior foam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if you use his boxing gloves... | ||
| Oh, I have them. | ||
| They're great. | ||
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They're the best. | |
| They mold to your hand. | ||
| Yeah, they're the best. | ||
| They mold to your hand. | ||
| And it's also their superior protection, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, he's done demonstrations where he shows how much better the foam he uses to other cheaper foam. | ||
| Because it's fighters making stuff for fighters. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not people who aren't doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Gaethje's the best one to do it and then obviously Trevor too like they're an amazing combo and they're making amazing shit like the headgear is great because headgears like your windows this big next thing you know like you're trying to kick box and you can't see the guy's legs you're getting fucking kicked in the head exactly and you're trying to shoot you're shooting into a knee but his like super wide and it's so thin and you're really just wearing it to prevent cuts right because Realistically, if you have a big-ass headgear on, when I see someone wearing a headgear, I'm like, that's a bigger fucking target. | ||
| It's going to be easier to hit. | ||
| But with a small one, it's just enough padding. | ||
| Just enough to keep you safe. | ||
| Remember Mike Tyson back in the day? | ||
| He used to wear the real thin one. | ||
| The real thin one when he was training. | ||
| It was almost like a wrestling headgear. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the way to go. | ||
| It's just unfortunate that There's no other way around it. | ||
| There's nothing better. | ||
| There's no better solution. | ||
| If you want to prevent cuts, you're kicking and punching. | ||
| I do not like when people have the face bar. | ||
| You can't see. | ||
| I wore that for a while. | ||
| I broke my nose so many times. | ||
| But in the beginning of training camps, I broke my nose. | ||
| So you have to spar the entire camp with that nose guard, and it fucking sucks, and it still touches your nose, and you probably get fucked up more with it on. | ||
| You definitely get more headshots. | ||
| Oh, yeah, because you can't see shit. | ||
| With a big headgear, yeah. | ||
| You can't see shit, and that bar, it sticks out, like, this far, so that bar gets touched, and it would touch your nose, so... | ||
| I would even wear basketball players. | ||
| The one basketball player always wore it. | ||
| I forget what his name was. | ||
| But I would wear this plastic shield on my face even when I would roll. | ||
| Because my nose would be fucked up. | ||
| I'm like, I can't miss training. | ||
| And that's what we were talking about earlier. | ||
| I'm like, maybe I should stay the fuck home. | ||
| But I'd be in the gym. | ||
| I was duct taping it to my head and shit. | ||
| But, yeah, it's getting better with the innovation, but we got a long way to go, though. | ||
| So, you were telling me that you had hurt your hand in the Kelvin fight, but it's not a break. | ||
| Not a break. | ||
| So, you're just trying to, like, let it rehab or recover. | ||
| So, I'm trying to, and that's, like, me trying to be smart a little bit. | ||
| At my older age of 31 there, I'm just trying to let it heal. | ||
| And before I get back, I just don't want to start another training camp with an injury. | ||
| Whereas before, I would do that, but... | ||
| Yeah, I'm just trying to be smart, like maybe get some stem cells and some shit like that, and just rest it. | ||
| Let me see if Brigham got back to me. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| I'll call him when we get out of here, but I think we can get in there. | ||
| But yeah, just rest. | ||
| But I can still work on my kicks, I can still punch, and so, yeah. | ||
| You're always getting in training. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was a big win for you, man. | ||
| Kelvin, I really think, and I've said this to Kelvin, this is back when he was fighting in 85 after he knocked out Bisping. | ||
| I was like, dude, I think you're a world champion at 170. I really do. | ||
| This was years ago. | ||
| He just didn't want to make that weight cut. | ||
| And he's not a big guy. | ||
| He's not big, man. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's not even big for 170. No, he's not. | ||
| Guys like Philly. | ||
| When I grabbed him, I was like, oh, these are the easiest takedowns I've ever got in my life. | ||
| I couldn't believe how easy it was to get him down. | ||
| And even when I wrapped around his legs, he has a big framed upper body, but his legs, I would lock under his butt. | ||
| They're small. | ||
| And it was so easy to take him down. | ||
| Like I was saying to you earlier, I walk around 195, 200, most guys, we're not... | ||
| I think he's better off at middleweight, because I think he found a niche where he was a lot faster than a lot of those guys. | ||
| So like Bisbon, he was in and out on them, Tim Kennedy, all these guys he was fucking up with his hands, he was just a lot faster then. | ||
| Well the Tim Kennedy fight, I know for sure, for a fact, that Tim Kennedy over-trained. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Tim Kennedy, who's known for his cardio, gassed out in that fight. | ||
| I watched that fight a million times. | ||
| The fight sucks because Tim's a friend. | ||
| I watched him get beat up. | ||
| Because I know how good he is when he beat Bisping. | ||
| Tim Kennedy was a fucking monster. | ||
| And he just went through two camps in a row. | ||
| Yeah, and it's almost like in our minds, we always think more is better. | ||
| And I'll take a day off now, or even just a session, like a night session, and I'll come in the next day, and you want to get after it more. | ||
| It gives you that, like, I fucking can't wait to get back in there. | ||
| And then you feel fresh when you go into that. | ||
| We'll train until... | ||
| 8.30, 9 o'clock at night, and then we have practice at 9.30 the next morning. | ||
| So you're at the gym, you go home, you sleep, you're right back at the gym. | ||
| I do the same drive from my house to the gym. | ||
| I could close my eyes and drive there, because I'm there all day fucking long. | ||
| But when you have those little breaks in between, you go back in, you're like, alright, I can't wait to fucking get back in here. | ||
| Yeah, that was interesting talking to Bo Nickel about that because Bo takes two days off a week. | ||
| Yeah, I listened to that. | ||
| Yeah, and I was like, why do you do that? | ||
| And he's like, it's the right way to do it. | ||
| Sundays are my day. | ||
| I try to do nothing. | ||
| Not lift. | ||
| I'll go on a long walk or walk my dog or run my dog or something like that, but I try. | ||
| No training on Sunday, regardless. | ||
| But I think two days is probably the way to go. | ||
| Or even like Thursday, like I'll do a jujitsu session in the morning and take the rest of the day off. | ||
| And that'll be like a lighter day or something like that because we're doing so, like I've counted my sessions and by the end of it, including like every workout I do, I'm at like 22 or 23 workouts in a week. | ||
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That's insane. | |
| There's no other sport like it. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| And then we start, like, I'm eating, like, 3,000 calories, 2,700, 25, and I'm cutting my calories down. | ||
| And we still, in our minds, we're like, we have to keep that same workload. | ||
| Or ramp it up even more, because when you're in camp, you're going a little bit harder. | ||
| So it's a motherfucker. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| You gotta fuck with your mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when you're cutting the calories down. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because you're like, damn, I'm supposed to feel this way and I fucking feel like shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know it fights four weeks out, three weeks out, two weeks out. | ||
| And then if you miss a session, that's where you're like, oh, shit. | ||
| He's fucking training. | ||
| And I'm not fucking training. | ||
| But that's where you gotta be like, I'm recovering. | ||
| You gotta trust the process. | ||
| I have the sauna. | ||
| I have the ice. | ||
| I have the Norman Tech boots. | ||
| I have all these things. | ||
| But even just sleep. | ||
| I'm in bed, in training camp, like, no later than 9.30. | ||
| I have, like, 9.30 at night, I'm asleep, and I'm up at 6. Like, no matter what my schedule is. | ||
| Like, I'm fucking on that shit, and that's the best. | ||
| Like, sleep is the number one thing you can do. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, that's the superpower. | ||
| Tito Ortiz used to sleep 12 hours a night. | ||
| I wish I could sleep 12 hours a night. | ||
| Yeah, he would fucking close all the windows, the shades, make the room dark as fuck, and just conk out all night. | ||
| I think eight hours is minimum seven, like seven to nine, but if I get eight hours, I feel like that's the sweet spot for me. | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| It is interesting that this sport, which is relatively recent, the UFC didn't even exist before 1993, and yet guys here in 2024 are still kind of just... | ||
| Dialing it in. | ||
| And there's no established protocol that everyone uses. | ||
| Everyone's got their own kind of methods that you're using. | ||
| Different individual coaches. | ||
| I know guys who are high-level fighters who don't know dick about nutrition. | ||
| Don't know dick about nutrition, recovery, nothing. | ||
| And they're just naturally talented. | ||
| And I'm like, man, these guys don't even know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it is crazy. | ||
| It's going to be crazy to see where it goes. | ||
| But like you were saying about Tim though, I hit up Tim before I was coming out here. | ||
| Before my hand was hurting me too much, I was going to try to work out with him because he does some fucking hard ass workouts. | ||
| And I love that shit. | ||
| So he told me he was traveling, but I'm going to come back and train with Gordon and train with Tim. | ||
| Because Tim's a motherfucker. | ||
| He's a savage, bro. | ||
| No, he does some animal shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His cardio sessions are legendary. | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
| On the ski herbs. | ||
| I love that shit. | ||
| It'd be super fun to get in on that. | ||
| And the guy's not even fighting anymore. | ||
| He's still in a fucking tip-top. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| He's jacked. | ||
| Yeah, and that fight always bothered me. | ||
| That Kelvin fight. | ||
| I knew what was wrong with him. | ||
| He had had a fight, he went into camp, and then the fight got cancelled, and then it got rescheduled. | ||
| He either got rescheduled or got a new opponent. | ||
| I remember which happened, but then he went right back into camp. | ||
| So he's essentially in camp for like... | ||
| Probably 16 weeks? | ||
| Yeah, something nuts. | ||
| Where you can't. | ||
| You just can't do that. | ||
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You can't, you can't. | |
| Your body's gonna break down. | ||
| And then you're caught in weight, and then you have to gain the weight back because you don't want to stay too low. | ||
| Like, that's where it starts to get like, this is fucked up. | ||
| Like, I need to let my body recover. | ||
| There's some guys where I look at them and I'm like, how are you making... | ||
| Like Joe. | ||
| How are you making 185, Joe Piver? | ||
| Yeah, he's a big boy. | ||
| How are you making 185? | ||
| He's a big boy. | ||
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That doesn't even make sense. | |
| He's so big. | ||
| He's so fucking big, man. | ||
| He gets to like 215, 220. That's it? | ||
| No, he doesn't get that big. | ||
| He looks even bigger than that. | ||
| He looks like 230. No, no, no. | ||
| He looks big. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| He does. | ||
| When he's in the octagon, this is a heavyweight almost. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big boy. | ||
| But like 215, 220 for him, he's got a big fight coming up. | ||
| He's fighting Hermanson. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| At a main event. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good fight for him. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good fight. | ||
| That motherfucker hit so hard. | ||
| We should tell everybody that he broke Francis Ngannou's record on that punch machine. | ||
| And they weren't trying to give it to him or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, they didn't want to register it. | ||
| I don't understand why. | ||
| I've trained and been hit by- Why didn't he want to give it to him? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The guy was saying like something was weird with the machine and Joey was like, he did it like three times. | ||
| Like three times in a row. | ||
| Oh, so the guy didn't want to believe it. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't believe that it was real. | ||
| Like how hard Joey was hitting it. | ||
| Like Joey, Joey cracks. | ||
| He's by far the hardest person I've ever been hit by. | ||
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This is last fight Abdul Ha ha ha ha yeah, holy shit. | |
| He submitted him. | ||
| Yeah Yeah, but bro, he was putting it on him before that. | ||
| He's on another level right now. | ||
| Joe's good. | ||
| But there's a real clear difference every time you see him in the Octagon. | ||
| He's just getting better. | ||
| Like at a high accelerated rate. | ||
| Like I said, me, him, Jeremiah, Andre Petrovsky is another one. | ||
| Dude, we have a good squad. | ||
| It's a small gym in Philly. | ||
| We're on a fucking fourth floor in an old warehouse in a pretty bad neighborhood in Philly. | ||
| But it's awesome. | ||
| Well, there's two schools of thought, right? | ||
| There's one school of thought. | ||
| You should be in the biggest camp possible, like ATT. They're bringing in people. | ||
| But, you know, I've talked to guys that train there and go, yeah, but then you're in these sparring sessions with these Russian guys you've never heard of, and they're fucking straight-up killers. | ||
| Yep, and that's the creep. | ||
| We're starting to get an info. | ||
| Like, we have a good group of Russian guys coming in. | ||
| I have this kid, Igor. | ||
| He's, like, my main training partner. | ||
| I think he's 4-0. | ||
| Kids came over as a refugee from Ukraine. | ||
| He's one of the—he's a fucking savage. | ||
| Dude, he got carjacked in Philly. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| I don't know if Jamie can go on my Instagram. | ||
| It's pinned to the top. | ||
| He was delivering for Uber Eats and two guys came up to him. | ||
| They showed him his gun and he didn't know what was going on. | ||
| He walks over to his car. | ||
| They're fucking stealing his car. | ||
| He's hanging on the side of the car. | ||
| They're going 40 miles an hour. | ||
| They shoot at him two times. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| They shot at him while he was hanging on to the car. | ||
| They shot at him two times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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How did he get out of this? | |
| They point a gun at him right here, and then he's like, alright, let me off. | ||
| The dude told him, like, I'm going to fucking shoot you. | ||
| And he finally gets off. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| In the beginning of the video, you can hear him. | ||
| He gets shot at. | ||
| Who's filming this? | ||
| Just some dude in a car behind him. | ||
| Did they ever find the car? | ||
| No, they didn't. | ||
| So we actually started a GoFundMe for him, and I raised like $15,000 for him, and he got a new car. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But yeah, they shoot at him. | ||
| And what people don't realize, he's hanging on this car. | ||
| They're like, oh, why won't he just let it go? | ||
| His documents are all in the car. | ||
| So all the money these guys have to pay for lawyers and shit like that, yeah, all of his shit was in his car. | ||
| And he just came from practice and was fucking doing Uber Eats. | ||
| So he doesn't have any money to fucking pay these lawyers and shit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Crazy, but... | ||
| Philly's wild right now. | ||
| Yeah, Philly's wild. | ||
| I carry everywhere I go in Philly. | ||
| I do, I don't know, fuck around. | ||
| But his best friend, Jaroslav from Bellator, I don't know how to say his last name, he's going to come over and train with us too. | ||
| So I brought in Drew Dober in my last camp, so we have Neil Magny come in, Eric Anders was just up, so our gym's starting to get recognized, which is That's awesome. | ||
| Well, I mean for a small gym you got six guys fighting in the UFC and a bunch of fucking real killers. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| We got a couple like Pat's fighting in AC, Andre's fighting in AC, so we'll all be only kind of like fighting around the same times, which there's nothing better than that. | ||
| Like when your teammates are fighting and you're in camp, it sucks being in camp when you're by yourself. | ||
| You're like fuck. | ||
| When you went to the Bilal fight, were you 13-0, 14-0? | ||
| 15. 15-0. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, 15-0. | ||
| That's a bitter pill to swallow, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It sucked. | ||
| I thought it was going to be the worst thing that ever happened to me. | ||
| And I kind of... | ||
| Going into that, I just didn't feel right. | ||
| Travel... | ||
| First time I've ever left the country. | ||
| I've never been outside of the United States. | ||
| Travel there. | ||
| All my coaches were getting sick. | ||
| They were all super jet-lagged. | ||
| And all week, I just kept having these... | ||
| I thought, I'm like, I'm going to lose this fucking fight. | ||
| And usually you have those thoughts, but I couldn't flip my mind back to like, yo, you're going to win this shit. | ||
| Because you always have doubts, but I was having dreams I was going to lose. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, I can't get this out of my head. | ||
| And I told my wife the day before, I was like, I had a dream last night, I lost. | ||
| I thought when I lost, I thought being undefeated... | ||
| It gets tied to you. | ||
| Everyone sees you. | ||
| They're like, you're going to fucking be the champion. | ||
| You're going to stay undefeated. | ||
| Then you become like, damn. | ||
| I'm not even fighting to win this fight. | ||
| I'm just fighting just to stay undefeated, if that makes sense. | ||
| I'm like, I can't lose this record. | ||
| In the fight... | ||
| First round, it was super competitive. | ||
| I went back and watched it, and I did a lot better than I thought I did. | ||
| And then in the second, I got clipped, and I was there the entire time, but I just couldn't throw. | ||
| I just kind of quit. | ||
| I just didn't know what to do in that moment. | ||
| That's the only time I ever quit on myself. | ||
| Like, practice, anything. | ||
| And ever since then, like, I started working with two mental performance coaches, and I'm just, like, a completely different person now. | ||
| But it's the best thing that ever happened to me. | ||
| That's a lot of times fighters say that. | ||
| It's like, you need to feel the sting of defeat. | ||
| I'm telling you Joe the minute I lost it felt like like a fucking like a Bronco was lifted off my shoulders like I was so like I was like yo like this is gonna be this is gonna be the best thing ever happened me because the just the pressure of being undefeated let it go like every time like I was going to fight I'm like I had the pressure of not only just losing and what comes with losing but I'm like If I lose my record, it's over. | ||
| And then I'm like, it's one fucking fight. | ||
| I've won 15 fights in a row. | ||
| I lost one fight. | ||
| It's not how it works. | ||
| And I just thought my life was going to implode. | ||
| And it didn't. | ||
| I had a hard... | ||
| Like I said, I came home and I definitely trained way too hard because I wanted to come back and fight again. | ||
| And I fucked myself up doing that. | ||
| But that even gave me more time to sit and reflect with myself and just get my shit right and realize... | ||
| Like, it's not, it's not, it doesn't mean everything to be undefeated. | ||
| Like, the best fighters in the world take losses, and yeah, I needed that, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, the only one who didn't is Jon. | ||
| Jon Jones, the only one who didn't. | ||
| But if Khabib would have stuck around long enough, you know, so you never, he had a couple close ones, close one with Gleason Tebow. | ||
| Gleason Tebow is very debatable. | ||
| I watched that fight a lot. | ||
| Yeah, very close. | ||
| But you have a 50% chance of going, you're going to win or you're going to lose. | ||
| When you're fighting the best guys in the world, Bilal is good. | ||
| I know I can beat Bilal, but I'm happy for him. | ||
| He went on, he beat Gilbert, he's going to fight for the belt next. | ||
| Is that established? | ||
| Is he definitely fighting for the belt next? | ||
| They haven't announced it, but there's nobody else. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would hope nobody leaves Broxam. | ||
| He deserves it. | ||
| He deserves it. | ||
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| He's being the most guys in the top 10. I think he's on a 10-fight win streak. | ||
| Yeah, he deserves it. | ||
| And I think he has a good chance of doing really well. | ||
| And they also fought before he got eye-poked. | ||
| It's there for him. | ||
| He deserves it and he should get it. | ||
| And I'm happy for him. | ||
| I don't know why he gets so much hate. | ||
| He's not a bad dude. | ||
| He trains fucking hard. | ||
| He won't even swear. | ||
| You know when he was in here? | ||
| I'm fucking cursing a million times. | ||
| He would say, what the fudge? | ||
| He says, what the fudge? | ||
| You're a goddamn cage fighter. | ||
| He gets a lot of hate, but I'm happy for him. | ||
| That's going to be a good fight. | ||
| He's a big guy for 170, man. | ||
| Bilal's very large. | ||
| He's not a small 170 at all. | ||
| That's gonna be a good fight. | ||
| Very good fight. | ||
| I wasn't super impressed with that Colby-Leon fight. | ||
| You weren't? | ||
| No. | ||
| Definitely not on Colby's side. | ||
| No, not on Colby's side. | ||
| I was impressed with Leon. | ||
| I want the Colby fight. | ||
| I think that the problem in that Colby fight is Leon. | ||
| He was so dangerous. | ||
| He was so sharp. | ||
| He's so technical on his feet, and I think in that fight he was, you know, because Colby talked so much shit. | ||
| The shit with his dad was fucked up. | ||
| Fucked up. | ||
| Say whatever you want about me, my team, whatever, but, like, you start talking about people's, like, their parents, their wives, their kids, especially if one of them's dead, like, you're a fucking... | ||
| Like, that shit you get fucked up in the parking lot for. | ||
| Like, you don't do shit like that, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Well, you know, that's Colby. | ||
| He's the master at getting under people's skin, but I think in that fight it backfired. | ||
| Yeah, and he looked... | ||
| I was watching, and I'm like, what the? | ||
| I didn't know what was happening with him. | ||
| He just wasn't doing anything. | ||
| No, he didn't look good. | ||
| And then Leon shot on him and was like, I think he would just make a point. | ||
| I can take you down. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| No, Leon's fucking good. | ||
| Yeah, his grappling is very good. | ||
| Leon's good. | ||
| But he got reversed a couple of times. | ||
| So he shot and then Colby kind of switched it up. | ||
| I think that was where the tactical errors were made. | ||
| That's what I was critiquing at the fight. | ||
| I was like, I don't think he fought the smartest way. | ||
| Because I think he could have avoided those exchanges and he had this massive advantage in the stand-up. | ||
| Super clean. | ||
| He would have came out of that fight like... | ||
| Unscathed, if he didn't do that. | ||
| He still won the fight handily, but at the end of the fight, when Kobe's on top of him at the very end of the fight, that doesn't look good. | ||
| He won, 100%. | ||
| He looked great. | ||
| And on the feet, man, he is so sharp. | ||
| His south ball is really fucking good. | ||
| He's sharp as fuck, man. | ||
| No, he's good, and he's long. | ||
| He's big, too. | ||
| We're all fucking... | ||
| All 70-pounders are big. | ||
| Yeah, there's the day of the 70-pounder walking around at 70. Those are gone. | ||
| Long gone. | ||
| 55. Long gone. | ||
| Paul used to get up to 200 pounds when he'd fight at 55. I'm like, dude, I weigh 203 right now. | ||
| I'll be like, bro, you're eight pounds heavier than me. | ||
| But he'd be fat. | ||
| He'd be drinking IPAs. | ||
| After he would fight, he would get huge. | ||
| Like Patty Pimlet fat? | ||
| Not that fat. | ||
| That boy is fat. | ||
| He got fat so quick. | ||
| You see him in December after his fight? | ||
| His face... | ||
| He just goes on... | ||
| I'm like, dude, you're going to a different... | ||
| But we have... | ||
| Fighters have fucking eating disorders. | ||
| We 100% all have eating disorders because you're eating this way and then you're cutting out food and then you're craving all these foods. | ||
| It's a fucking... | ||
| It's a wild, wild way to live. | ||
| There's Patty now. | ||
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Look at him. | |
| Look at all fat and happy. | ||
| Look how tight that shirt is on him. | ||
| It's so crazy how much weight he gains. | ||
| It's so nuts because he was shredded during that fight. | ||
| He gets big. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He gets big. | ||
| You know, he got a lot of shit from that Tony Ferguson fight, but I was very impressed. | ||
| I was very impressed with his grappling. | ||
| I was impressed with his striking. | ||
| I think everything looked better. | ||
| And at the end of the day, he won the fight. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| He found a way to win. | ||
| He definitely, the third round got a little sketchy, but he found a way to win. | ||
| Yeah, but people saying that he didn't look good, and it's just, I thought he looked great. | ||
| You know, Tony Ferguson is still dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's still dangerous. | ||
| I mean, he was dangerous in the Gaethje fight until Gaethje started beating him up. | ||
| He was, you know, dangerous in the Chandler fight. | ||
| Drop Chandler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's still fucking dangerous, man. | ||
| I don't think people realize, like, You go in there, and you have 15 minutes, and you could have woke up that day, had the fucking worst headache. | ||
| You could feel like shit, or it just could not be your night. | ||
| So that's why, in that moment, you have to make the best of it, but some days, it's just not your day. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But in the gym, you get that day, you get to go back the next day. | ||
| But a guy like Tony, at what point does someone step in? | ||
| Now. | ||
| Yeah, it has to be. | ||
| It's what, six or seven fights? | ||
| I think it's seven in a row. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not like... | ||
| If he would have won that fight, I would still like to see... | ||
| Me and my buddy, I was cheering, Tony, Tony! | ||
| And anytime he would do anything, just because I fucking love Tony Ferguson, but it's time. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| And it was awesome having Goggins there and all that shit, but just hang it up. | ||
| You're just doing more damage, you know? | ||
| I also don't know what he's doing in training. | ||
| The Goggins stuff is great and everything like that, but who is he sparring with? | ||
| Is he sparring? | ||
| Are you doing skill work? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what he's doing. | ||
| If you're going to do this shit with Goggins, do that outside of training camp. | ||
| Do that when you don't have a fight. | ||
| You build up that aerobic capacity when you're not getting ready for a fight. | ||
| I'm sure he was, but it kind of seems like he always just did whatever he wanted to do. | ||
| Well, it worked for a long time when he was the boogeyman. | ||
| He was fucking... | ||
| Everybody up. | ||
| Those chokes that he was hitting on people, the Darces. | ||
| He would lock that shit on you and you were done. | ||
| Cowboy, he was cutting Cowboy up. | ||
| Pettis, he was fucking people up. | ||
| Tony was a real scary man for many, many years. | ||
| And then he tripped on one cord and it all changed. | ||
| Isn't that fucking crazy? | ||
| Getting ready for the Khabib fight, Madison Square Garden, massive fight, and trips over a court and just blows his knee out. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And then he came back from that super fast. | ||
| Beat Pettis, yeah. | ||
| Oh, he won after that? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, he beat Pettis after that? | ||
| He beat the shit out of Pettis. | ||
| I remember the fight, he beat the shit out of Pettis, but I didn't know if that was before or after. | ||
| No, that was after. | ||
| That was his comeback fight. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Because Pettis was kicking the shit out of that leg. | ||
| And it was only, if I want to remember correctly, five months or so after the surgery? | ||
| It was like five or seven months. | ||
| It was short. | ||
| Very quick. | ||
| Fucking short. | ||
| And I don't know shit about knees, but I know that sounds very short. | ||
| It was ridiculously short. | ||
| When I talked to people that knew about that surgery and knew about how bad his knee was, he did his own rehab. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, he's just a maniac. | ||
| Yeah, but he was... | ||
| The man, but I think it's that time. | ||
| Father time wins all fights. | ||
| Like him, it was nice to see Cowboy be done when he was done, because like I was telling you earlier, when Cowboy was on, I think he was the best fighter in the fucking world. | ||
| He was so goddamn good, and he would fuck us all up down to the ranting. | ||
| Me, Jonovan Webb, Paul, he would beat the shit out of everybody, and then Yeah, like, even Jim Miller. | ||
| I remember him head-kicking Jim Miller when they first fought in AC, knocked him out, and then his last fight was Jim Miller, and Jim got the best of him. | ||
| So it's like, alright, it's time to... | ||
| Yeah, at a certain point in time... | ||
| But he knew, like, he knew, but look at him now. | ||
| He's fucking all saw-stop, he's... | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| He looks great. | ||
| He's jacked. | ||
| He does look great. | ||
| I love it, dude. | ||
| He's got a hair transplant. | ||
| And that's another thing I think, like, I just did, I started working with Merrick Health. | ||
| I just did all my blood work last week, so I'm waiting for that just to, like, see where we're at, like, after fights, you know? | ||
| So, like, check my testosterone, just check all my shit. | ||
| I'm trying to, like, really, like, dial all that shit in. | ||
| And a lot of guys don't do that, you know? | ||
| Well, I think if you want to compete against the best of the best, you gotta cross all your T's and dot all your I's. | ||
| You gotta make sure all your ducks are in a row. | ||
| And the difference between the guys who are just super talented, who don't take care of nutrition and still perform at a very high level, And the guys who are also talented, like yourself, but dial everything in. | ||
| That's how you become a champion. | ||
| That makes a difference, yeah. | ||
| Because even when I'm done fighting, I'm going right into jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I can't wait to compete jiu-jitsu. | ||
| That's going to be so fun, because Nogi's getting so fucking big now. | ||
| You've got guys like Wagner, he's like 45 years old, still competing and winning. | ||
| So I'm super excited to get into that, too. | ||
| But I got a lot more fighting in me. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| Do you think when you stop fighting MMA, you'll compete in jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Oh, that's what I want to do. | ||
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| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And obviously, I want to open a gym one day, but I want to compete just straight jiu-jitsu, like no gi. | ||
| I did gi for 10 years, so I did gi for a long time. | ||
| I haven't done it in a while because... | ||
| I feel like to a certain point, it's like, alright, I've done this. | ||
| I'll pick it up when I'm done, for sure, but I love just hard Nogi. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's so fucking fun to me. | ||
| And it's getting so big. | ||
| These guys are ADCC. It's at T-Mobile next year. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Gordon, and he's the fucking best. | ||
| Was that the last one that they did in Vegas? | ||
| And it was an enormous place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you said, it's getting huge. | ||
| I didn't realize he was sitting next to you at the fights when I was talking to you. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| I was going to train with him this week. | ||
| I can't wait to train with him, though. | ||
| But I remember seeing those guys back at Henzo's because I was going to the Henzo's Couple times a week training in the blue basement and I'd see like Gordon and Craig when they were all still together and there were savages back then and They're still fucking doing it. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, he's Completely extraordinary. | ||
| Yeah, when you look at a guy who's 28 years old universally accepted as the greatest ever next next nuts He's next level and that motherfucker doesn't take a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| No days off crazy 365 days a year They're working on something and I'm sure they're training hard Training hard and working on skills, and they watch tape, and they break technique down. | ||
| It's not just like, ah, good enough, go home. | ||
| It's very systematic. | ||
| And that John Donner, having that guy as your coach, what a fucking cheat code that is. | ||
| I've seen the room, it'll be like, John, Gordon, GSP will be in there. | ||
| I'm like, dude, this room is fucking, it's crazy. | ||
| Like, the people that they would have in there. | ||
| So you're only four, you're going to get better, regardless, you know? | ||
| I remember seeing GSP's corner. | ||
| It'd be like John Donahair, Farasa Hobby, Greg Jackson back when he would fight. | ||
| He was so ahead of his time with doing shit like that. | ||
| I think GSP, he's like my goat of MMA. Just the way, being a true martial artist, even how he is now. | ||
| Guys, when they're done, they get fat. | ||
| They're done training. | ||
| Once they're done fighting, they're done. | ||
| He still trains. | ||
| He probably looks better now than he did back then. | ||
| I'm trying to follow that. | ||
| He keeps coming down here to train. | ||
| I see him in Austin all the time. | ||
| He's here all the time. | ||
| I'm surprised he doesn't move down here. | ||
| He just comes down to train. | ||
| I think he likes Montreal. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That gym kind of... | ||
| TriStar was the shit for a while. | ||
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Amazing. | |
| I haven't heard too many guys coming out of there now. | ||
| I just feel like there's so many gyms now. | ||
| There's so many more gyms. | ||
| But it was GSP. They had Rory McDonald. | ||
| Rory was... | ||
| Rory was a motherfucker. | ||
| I remember watching him in his prime. | ||
| When I was young, I'm like, this fucking guy is great. | ||
| He was pretty fucking sharp. | ||
| He was very, very good at his prime. | ||
| A couple of those wars, though, with Lawler definitely shortened his career. | ||
| It was very nice seeing Robbie go out like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was beautiful. | ||
| It was Barbarina, right? | ||
| No, it was... | ||
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Who... | |
| I thought it was Brian Barbarino's. | ||
| No. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| It's at the tip of my tongue. | ||
| I'm looking at his face right now. | ||
| I can't pull up... | ||
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Nico Price. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Nico Price. | ||
| Nico Price. | ||
| Tough dude. | ||
| And Nico Price is fucking... | ||
| He's got some crazy knockouts and submissions too. | ||
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Yeah, he's a dog. | |
| That dude's a dog. | ||
| But Robbie went out right. | ||
| He went out in a win. | ||
| That's got to feel... | ||
| Beautiful win. | ||
| First round knockout. | ||
| Didn't even get hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And everybody went crazy. | ||
| That's got to feel good. | ||
| We played this video. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| For a guy like him... | ||
| And he's one of the main guys down at Kill Cliff. | ||
| He's coaching. | ||
| And that's great to see, too. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Because when a guy like that, if he's done, he leaves the gym. | ||
| You lose part of that gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, this was awesome, him winning like that. | ||
| It really was fucking cool. | ||
| It was really cool. | ||
| Because it's just like, that's what you want to see from a legend. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But people forget, the Ruth was Robbie Lawler days. | ||
| Like, when him and Rory had that fight, that was just guts. | ||
| And just survival. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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His lip, when it was split like that. | |
| And I was interviewing him, he was screaming, and his lips had spit and fucked up. | ||
| You could tell Rory had it. | ||
| His nose was smashed so bad. | ||
| That last punch, I think it was probably like a straight left. | ||
| He's like, I'm done. | ||
| I just can't take any more pain at this point. | ||
| Yeah, he was destroyed. | ||
| When your nose is broke and you get hit in it, it's not fun. | ||
| His face was pale too. | ||
| He had lost so much blood that his face was pale. | ||
| He was fucked up. | ||
| What a crazy fight. | ||
| Look at his face. | ||
| His face was just a mask of blood. | ||
| This is so iconic. | ||
| Just staring at each other. | ||
| Look how flat his nose is there. | ||
| Rory's face is destroyed. | ||
| Look at his nose. | ||
| It's just destroyed. | ||
| His face is destroyed. | ||
| I mean, that is as close to death as I think we've ever seen anybody get inside the octagon. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look how pale he is. | ||
| And he went on to have some fucking good fights after that, but I was watching his career in PFL, and it was just sad to see the way he went out. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think you go through a fight like that, you don't ever recover fully. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| And then you're back in the gym, you're training, and then you fight again. | ||
| Everything's amplified in a fight. | ||
| It's training times 10. I've come out of fights where... | ||
| Quick fight for me, but I still, like, I don't even, like, I'll hit my elbow. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck did I do to my, like, you just come out of a fight and you're like, you still feel beat up even if it wasn't, like, a super hard fight. | ||
| Like, even my fight with Kelvin, like, I didn't land, like, any crazy right hands, but my fucking hand's been killing me for the last month. | ||
| So, it's always, it's always something. | ||
| And then you go through something like that. | ||
| Do you do any hyperbaric chamber work? | ||
| My strength coach has one and I got in it and I was having like TMJ or something and I got in there and my fucking ears start to pop and I got kind of freaked out and I got out. | ||
| But I need to do it. | ||
| I know like off camp, but he's like, dude, you got to get in. | ||
| You got to get in. | ||
| And that's like the one thing that float tanks are like the two things like I haven't got into yet. | ||
| But yeah, I need to do the I need to do the like the hyperbaric. | ||
| They say it really, really helps recovery. | ||
| I know that Uriah Faber used it after the Jose Aldo fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember when he got his leg destroyed? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I think, I know, especially for your head, too. | ||
| They say, like, it's super, super good for your head. | ||
| Yeah, post-concussions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like I said, stem cells, stuff like that, like, it does suck we can't, like, do other, like, peptides. | ||
| Because that shit helps. | ||
| And it's not like... | ||
| Test us for everything else. | ||
| Be there on site or whatever, but I think that stuff would really help us out. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know why it's illegal. | ||
| I mean, I think the argument is that it gives you a performance-enhancing benefit, but I just think all it does is aid in recovery from injuries. | ||
| And I think if you're dealing with a sport where guys are literally training and preparing to injure each other, that's what you do. | ||
| And you're getting injured while training, preparing to injure each other. | ||
| You're going to get injured. | ||
| There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| And it would be better for the sport overall if that was allowed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know why these athletic commissions don't recognize, like, hey, this is not like steroids. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is something that just helps your injuries. | ||
| Helping you recover. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm definitely happy, though, that we're done with USADA. I'm hoping that... | ||
| Obviously, they're going to come and drug test us, but don't come to my house at 6 a.m. | ||
| or 7 a.m. | ||
| And don't come when guys are cutting weight. | ||
| They came to my house the one night. | ||
| It was 9.30 at night. | ||
| Luckily, there was fights on. | ||
| I was in camp, or else I would have been asleep. | ||
| I was watching Bellator on a Friday night. | ||
| They knocked on my door. | ||
| I look at my ring camera. | ||
| My wife's like, it's fucking USADA. I've never been mean to them, and I wasn't even... | ||
| I'm like, dude. | ||
| I looked at them. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I'm like, I'm about to get in the bed. | ||
| They're like, we're sorry. | ||
| They have a protocol. | ||
| They had to do it. | ||
| I'm like, I get it. | ||
| How long does it take? | ||
| It can be quick. | ||
| If they do blood, you have to sit down. | ||
| They time you for 10 minutes, and then they take your blood. | ||
| Then you have to do piss. | ||
| So that can be annoying. | ||
| But if you just have to pee, you can run through it real quick. | ||
| But you have to get out all your supplements. | ||
| You have to write all that down. | ||
| So it takes probably 35, 40 minutes. | ||
| So every time they come, you have to show them your supplements? | ||
| Yep, every time. | ||
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Oh. | |
| They had them saved at one point, but then they went away with that, so you'd have to redo it. | ||
| Any medications you take, and then the dude has to come watch you piss, you have to pick out a cup. | ||
| I haven't been drug tested by these new guys yet, but come at 3 o'clock. | ||
| Come when I'm home and I'm just sitting on my couch. | ||
| Well, I think the argument against that is if they can catch you, if they come to your house at 9.30 a.m., if you take something that is in your system for a short period of time, but provides benefits, Like if you take some sort of oral testosterone at 9.30 p.m. | ||
| right before you go to bed. | ||
| They're like, we're going to get you. | ||
| And then, like that was what they were doing with the gummies, right? | ||
| With testosterone gummies and baseball? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| So the idea is that you take it and then by the time they tested you, it would already be on your system. | ||
| I think guys, if you have enough money, I'm sure guys are gaming the system somehow. | ||
| Have you heard anything about how guys could do it? | ||
| No, I haven't, but I just feel like guys... | ||
| If you can cheat, somebody's going to cheat. | ||
| They're going to find a way. | ||
| But even with the IVs, I have heard of guys doing IVs still, and I'm like... | ||
| I guess, like you said, they say they trace plastic, but I'm like, how could you even test for that? | ||
| Because if you're drinking fucking gallons of water or whatever you're drinking with plastic, I guess there would be traces of plastic in there. | ||
| Maybe it's a different plastic. | ||
| Jamie, Google please, how do you detect if someone has had an IV USADA? See if there's a way that explains it. | ||
| Because they were explaining to me that there is a workaround, and the workaround would be if you got all the liquid into a glass vial. | ||
| I was literally, that's what I was thinking. | ||
| Yeah, and then you injected the liquid back into someone's body slowly, and instead of a drip like with a hose, you're just going straight from a glass vial. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sounds like a fucking process. | ||
| Sounds like a real process. | ||
| Just for an IV. But if you're masking it. | ||
| The craziest weight cut that I ever heard, someone was cutting weight by getting their blood removed. | ||
| So they were getting their blood pulled from their body, they were chilling it, and then putting it back into their body. | ||
| Time for you to... | ||
| Just move up a weight class. | ||
| Right, but here's the question, because blood doping, that was a way that, like, Tour de France and a lot of those guys would do it, where they would take blood out of their body. | ||
| And then they'd put it back in, right? | ||
| Yeah, their body would recover and build that blood back up, and then they would put that blood back in so they'd have all this extra blood, and it would give them extra oxygen. | ||
| That, like, blood doping, that's, like, the craziest one. | ||
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Like... | |
| If you're gonna do anything, if you just never get tired, that's the most superhuman thing you can fucking do. | ||
| Strength and all that is cool, but if you can just never get tired, that's next level shit. | ||
| Well, there's been guys that get popped for EPO. A DJ. Yeah, well, there's actually a documentary that the UFC did that just came out last week on YouTube. | ||
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I started it. | |
| I watched it. | ||
| I started it. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When you see, like, what he looked like. | ||
| He was a skeleton. | ||
| He looked like a dead man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He looked like a guy who was starving to death. | ||
| And he was about to fight Henry. | ||
| Was he saying he was doing the EPO to help him cut weight? | ||
| Is that what he was essentially saying? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He was essentially, he was anemic. | ||
| I mean, that's what it really is. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's an anemia. | ||
| It's for anemia. | ||
| He was anemic. | ||
| He had gotten to a point where he couldn't do anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, his body was just... | ||
| He should have pulled out. | ||
| It's really what he should have done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or what he should have done, I think, is probably had a test cut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if he had a test cut, like... | ||
| See where he's at? | ||
| He was down to 135 and then cutting the weight. | ||
| And when he was down to 135, you looked at him, you're like, oh my god. | ||
| He was bad. | ||
| I remember seeing a picture of him in camp. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I'm like, this dude looks horrible. | ||
| When he was preparing for the fight, and then they were, it was like the day of the weigh-ins, you see him walking around, you're like, what in the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His whole face was just skeleton. | ||
| And then, like, you get fucking hit like that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I don't care if you have 48 hours, like... | ||
| So, that's what he looked like. | ||
| Is that so insane, man? | ||
| It's so insane, that weight cut. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Yeah, look at him there. | ||
| Listen, all of our cheeks get sucked in, but that's... | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| I mean, that's not just a cheek sucked in. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| It's like you're losing your jaw muscles. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's the thing. | ||
| It's like you're losing muscle, man. | ||
| You're losing muscle. | ||
| Now you see him now? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's not a small dude. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, he's pretty fucking big. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Well, TJ also had had shoulder problems his whole career. | ||
| I think he had two torn supraspinatus muscles in both traps or both shoulders and just never got it fixed. | ||
| He was so good. | ||
| I love watching him. | ||
| Just his striking was so good. | ||
| I feel like he was one of the first guys to start doing, to switching stances and throwing. | ||
| He was... | ||
| He's fucking good. | ||
| Dude, the Hennon Burrell fight, holy shit. | ||
| The first one, yeah. | ||
| It's also like his ability to perform under pressure. | ||
| Like when the stakes were high, when the pressure was high. | ||
| Cody Garbrandt fight. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| He got dropped in that first round and came back and knocked Cody out. | ||
| And I fucking love Cody. | ||
| It was nice to see Cody get back on track. | ||
| But yeah, that was... | ||
| He's a competitor. | ||
| He's a competitor. | ||
| And it worked for him for a long time, you know? | ||
| Yeah, just the shoulder thing is just so unfortunate. | ||
| Because now he's fucked, and he's had multiple surgeries, and he's hoping that he can still come back. | ||
| Because he fought in Abu Dhabi on that car with me, and his shoulder popped out immediately or something like that. | ||
| Well, he had actually told the referee before the fight, he said, my shoulder's going to pop out. | ||
| He said, just let me fight, and I'll put it back in. | ||
| It pops out all the time. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I've seen that, though. | ||
| I've seen guys in the room, they get sprawled on, their fucking shoulder pops out, They're like, I need a second. | ||
| They snap it back. | ||
| I'm like, dude, I don't know if you should be doing that. | ||
| That's supposedly what happened with Yuri. | ||
| His coaches were trying to put his shit back into place and they just totally destroyed his shoulder. | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| Probably shouldn't be doing that. | ||
| It's not like a finger, like a jujitsu finger where you're doing gi and your coach fucking snaps your finger. | ||
| That's your shoulder. | ||
| Well, it's also when your shoulder gets destroyed like that and they have to replace your shoulder. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know guys have gotten their hip resurfaced and continue to compete. | ||
| I know Frankie Edgar did that. | ||
| But I think shoulders, like once that's... | ||
| Shoulders and knees, like I've been pretty, knock on wood, like I feel like once you have a problem with your shoulders or your knees, you're fucked. | ||
| Like you're always going to have, same thing with like if you do that back surgery. | ||
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The back surgery is a big one. | |
| I think, and your neck, like if you do any of those surgeries, I think you're fucking done. | ||
| Well, that's what's crazy about Aljamain. | ||
| I mean, he did his neck and then won and defended the title multiple times. | ||
| Yeah, and he looked great. | ||
| He looked great. | ||
| Besides Sean O'Malley, he came back and that Peter Young fight, he looked great in that. | ||
| With a fake disc in his neck. | ||
| He's got an artificial disc in his back and he's competing in MMA and winning as a champion. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Chris Weidman's coming back again, too. | ||
| He's fighting Bruno Silva. | ||
| I was there for his fight in Boston. | ||
| It was good to see him get back in there. | ||
| That break was so bad. | ||
| I guess they're putting out mini-series in the UFC. I watched that one on him coming back from his leg. | ||
| I was almost crying watching it, seeing the pain he was going through. | ||
| He had two or three surgeries after that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| His leg wouldn't take... | ||
| Or he would like start feeling a weird pain and they'd go back in and do another surgery. | ||
| He'd start getting better, they'd do another surgery. | ||
| It's like, it's the same thing as that TJ one. | ||
| If you get like 25 minutes, watch it one day. | ||
| It's fucking good. | ||
| Well, that's the case with Connor as well, I believe. | ||
| I think Connor's had multiple surgeries as well. | ||
| Well, a break like that, like... | ||
| It's a crazy break. | ||
| The only one guy, you know, I'd say no one's ever come back from it, but apparently the guy who won the PFL heavyweight division, he had a broke leg like that, and he came back and he's competing at a high level. | ||
| Well, how about Chris Weidman does it to Anderson Silva, and then he gets it done to him? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| How does that happen? | ||
| What are the odds? | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Especially when you think about how few leg breaks like that have been in the UFC. I think there's only been four, and he's been a part of two of them. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| I can only think of those two. | ||
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Who else was in the UFC? The first one was, what was the gentleman's name? | |
| Corey Hill? | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| I think he's dead. | ||
| He is dead. | ||
| I don't know what happened to him. | ||
| But I remember that one. | ||
| And then Chris is involved in two of them. | ||
| So it was Corey, Anderson, Chris... | ||
| Who else? | ||
| There's one other one. | ||
| Someone else got their leg broken. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
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Connor. | |
| Connor. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So those are the four. | ||
| The biggest one, Connor. | ||
| And then outside of that, I've seen it with Tyrone Spong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With the Gokan Saki fight. | ||
| That was nasty. | ||
| That's the only time I've ever seen it in kickboxing, which is crazy. | ||
| His highlights are crazy. | ||
| Oh, he's a killer. | ||
| You ever see the one where I think he comes out, drops Tyron. | ||
| He gets up, showing up, and throws that overhand and cleans him. | ||
| I'm like, God damn. | ||
| He still trains. | ||
| He's down at Henry's, and he's one of their main guys. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| This was not in the UFC, but it's on combat. | ||
| Oh, his femur comes out. | ||
| Oh, I saw this one. | ||
| Yeah, he gets taken down. | ||
| That's a crazy one, right? | ||
| This one's bad. | ||
| And it's weird how it goes down. | ||
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Like, look how it goes backwards. | |
| Look at his pain, the pain he's in. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It's weird how it goes backwards. | ||
| Oh god, look at it poking out like that. | ||
| Is that his femur? | ||
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Yep, yep, yep, yep. | |
| Yeah, he's like, my leg, my leg. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| They're hard to watch. | ||
| My dad broke his femur. | ||
| He was a construction worker. | ||
| He had a bunch of stones fall on his leg, snapped his fucking femur in half. | ||
| He had a metal rod in there for years. | ||
| He got his knees redone. | ||
| They had to take the metal rod out of his knee. | ||
| Like, his, like, bone, like, I guess, like, formed to it. | ||
| They said taking it out was rough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the biggest bone in your body, I think. | ||
| Oh, I think so, too. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Yeah, Frank Mir, when he got hit by a car, remember that? | ||
| He, uh, broke his femur. | ||
| Yeah, he was riding a motorcycle, guy ran a light, T-boned him, he went flying through the air. | ||
| And he, it took a long time before Frank got back on track. | ||
| That's, like, one of the hardest things with me and, like... | ||
| Like I grew up riding dirt bikes and like I love doing shit. | ||
| I'm like but our job's so dangerous already I'm like I can't afford to to do any of these other things like We were up to mountains over the weekend like my brothers like let's go snowboard and I'm like bro like I can't dude like I want to so bad But I'm gonna do all that shit when I'm done fighting like you just can't stack another thing on top of fucking like I have a Ford Raptor I got it all souped up I'm like that's my that's my thing you know like I got a nice truck and But I can't ride bikes yet. | ||
| We just can't afford to stack all those other things on top of our dangerous ass job already. | ||
| Did you see what Sean Strickland was doing the other day? | ||
| Shooting like Roman candles at each other? | ||
| Kind of a firework fight. | ||
| Yeah bro, I'm not doing that. | ||
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Three weeks before he's fighting to retain his title. | |
| He had like burns on him. | ||
| He's so nuts. | ||
| He's nuts. | ||
| He's so out of his fucking mind. | ||
| But that boy can fight. | ||
| All he does is spar. | ||
| He looks at a treadmill and he's like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| He's like, I'm gonna go spar. | ||
| What's crazy is his conditioning. | ||
| Like, look at that Israel Adesanya fight. | ||
| This is his first time fighting for the title. | ||
| He's fighting a legend. | ||
| And in the fifth round, he's not even breathing heavy. | ||
| Floors him, too. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Hits him with that one-two, drops him, pummels him afterwards. | ||
| And then, but dude, he's like, he's not even jumping like dirt bikes. | ||
| He's jumping like motorcycles in the desert. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is this dude? | ||
| He's out of his fucking mind. | ||
| And that's also how he blew his knee apart. | ||
| Oh, yeah, because he used to fight at 70. People don't know him and Kamaru fought at 170 back in the day. | ||
| Kamaru put it on pretty good. | ||
| Well, I think he's one of those guys that really was cutting too much weight. | ||
| He's definitely. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| Of diminishing returns. | ||
| That'd be like Joey trying to cut down to 170. Just because you can make something doesn't mean you should do it. | ||
| I'm going to be interested to see that fight next weekend. | ||
| I can't believe it's already here. | ||
| If anybody wants to see the extreme version of that, watch that TJ documentary. | ||
| It's pretty heavy. | ||
| His fight with Drikus is going to be... | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Drikus is fucking scary. | ||
| And that's a guy who's so big for 85. The way he looked against... | ||
| I counted... | ||
| I didn't give him a fucking chance against Robert Whitaker. | ||
| And boy, was I wrong. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, also that's after he got his DNA surgery. | ||
| Which I think, I mean, it's a big factor. | ||
| Being able to breathe out of your nose. | ||
| If you can't breathe, you can't fight. | ||
| But it's also, it's like, Drickus looks awkward when you fight. | ||
| He moves different. | ||
| But that movement and that awkwardness makes him difficult to time. | ||
| It's like his timing is off. | ||
| And if you don't have anybody that can imitate that kind of stutter step motion that he does. | ||
| Yeah, he fights weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's deceptively technical, though. | ||
| Deceptively. | ||
| It's his style. | ||
| You can't say it's wrong. | ||
| That's how he fights, and it works. | ||
| You can tell he's strong. | ||
| I think he's going to come in and really try to put a hard grappling pace on Sean. | ||
| But Sean's hard to take down. | ||
| You don't see many guys taking Sean down. | ||
| He's a very good grappler. | ||
| He's not easy to take down. | ||
| I've talked to guys that roll with him. | ||
| That motherfucker is very I've seen he was out at... | ||
| I think he was training with Jaco and those guys. | ||
| Yeah Jaco told me. | ||
| Jaco goes, dude he's fucking legit. | ||
| He's really legit. | ||
| He's long too. | ||
| I'm sure he has good jujitsu. | ||
| But that's a good fight. | ||
| Well here's an interesting statistic. | ||
| Was it a mouth guard that they gave you guys to show how many shots you take? | ||
| Something like that, yeah. | ||
| He gets hit the least and he spars the most. | ||
| He's like, his defense is so underappreciated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that was a big factor in that fight too, with Adesanya. | ||
| Adesanya just couldn't find him. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, it's like a weird, like, Philly shell that he does. | ||
| And then he's lifting that, like, lead leg to, like, teep. | ||
| Yep, he's front kicking you with that lead leg. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And he's just always jabbing. | ||
| And it comes, like, you would think a jab coming from down here, like, it'd be easier to time, but it's not. | ||
| Because it's coming from a, like, you don't fucking see it. | ||
| And then, bop, bop, and then he's hitting you with a jab. | ||
| But it fucking, it works for him. | ||
| It works for him amazingly. | ||
| I don't think Izzy was 100% in that training camp either. | ||
| Like, he had that DUI thing, or the DWI, like, right before that, I was like two weeks before that fight, and I think he just thought he was gonna fucking blow Sean out of the water, and Sean's a tough motherfucker. | ||
| After the abuse fight, someone should have looked at that fight and go, listen, this guy is always there. | ||
| He's always there. | ||
| It's crazy how it can flip so fast, like, A year ago, he lost to Jared Cannoneer, and now he's a fucking UFC champion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How about the Pejeta fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He gets flatlined in the first round against Pejeta, and then you think, this guy's not going to be the champion. | ||
| A year later, he's the champ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And went to train with Pejeta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That shows you how smart he is. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to go learn from this fucking guy. | ||
| Pejeta will teach you. | ||
| Which is even crazier. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Alex is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a big dude. | ||
| He's gigantic. | ||
| That guy making 185 was ridiculous. | ||
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Nuts. | |
| Nuts. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Like, how? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| How did you do it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you look at him at 205. He's so big at 205. I think he's way better off at 205, though. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| I don't know who he's going to fight next, but I'll be watching. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I would imagine it would be Jamal. | ||
| I just don't know when Jamal's going to be fully recovered. | ||
| You know, Jamal blew out his Achilles, which is a bad one. | ||
| That's a hard one to come back from. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bad one. | ||
| That's what Aaron Rodgers did? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's got to be weird. | ||
| Like, you're just going, and then next thing, it's done. | ||
| Yeah, it just pops off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Aaron Rodgers is doing great. | ||
| They're saying he might, like, play... | ||
| He was hoping to. | ||
| But it's only been how many months since the injury? | ||
| Four or five? | ||
| What was the beginning of the season? | ||
| September, I guess? | ||
| Was that what it was that started? | ||
| October, November, December, January. | ||
| So four months. | ||
| Not long. | ||
| Not long at all for such a catastrophic injury. | ||
| I think Alex would be champ for a while, though. | ||
| Until someone comes along and exposes his ground game is not where it needs to be. | ||
| Well, that's what's interesting with Hamzat, right? | ||
| If he fights Hamzat Chemaev at 185 pounds, that gets very interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think we saw in the Hamzat fight against Usman that Hamzat, against a really big, strong grappler, is still very effective. | ||
| Not to the level where it should be. | ||
| Well, Usman exposed some holes in his game, and Usman had no count. | ||
| That was a five-round fight, and Usman took it on short notice. | ||
| Even on short notice, if there was two more rounds of that, who knows where that could have gone. | ||
| Usman was putting it on. | ||
| I rewatched it recently, and he was getting the better of him in the third round, for sure. | ||
| Especially in the strike game, because I think something happened to Hamzat's hand in the first round. | ||
| He broke his hand. | ||
| Yeah, he's got some injuries going on, but even someone like that... | ||
| Someone like Bo Nickel. | ||
| Bo's going to be a motherfucker. | ||
| And then Joey's known for knocking guys out, but Joey has fucking really... | ||
| He submitted Abdul in his last fight. | ||
| He's got really good wrestling, really good submission. | ||
| So it looks like 185 doesn't have those grapplers. | ||
| Like 170, we're stacked with grapplers. | ||
| 155, stacked with grapplers. | ||
| 185 kind of doesn't have that. | ||
| So if you come into 185 and you have that good wrestling and grappling pedigree, I think you can do really, really well. | ||
| It's interesting with Bo. | ||
| It's like some fighters get thrown at the wolves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And some fighters, they lead... | ||
| He's doing the slow... | ||
| Nicely slow. | ||
| Every fight, he's this giant favorite. | ||
| And the next fight, same thing. | ||
| Yeah, and he smokes him. | ||
| He hasn't fought until July. | ||
| I listened to the podcast. | ||
| It was really good, but... | ||
| I think he's doing it right. | ||
| He's like, listen, I'm going to kind of slope because he's 27, 28. He's already in the UFC. A couple fights away from being in the top 15, why rush? | ||
| And I feel like that's something I did early on that I wanted to be in the top 15 so bad. | ||
| Then once you get there, you have to wait for the division to play out. | ||
| You have to wait for guys to fight and then you get hurt and then you're sitting on the sidelines. | ||
| Whereas if you're not in the top 15, you can kind of rack up these wins, fight these guys who aren't World-class, but they're still good fighters. | ||
| You can get that experience and then go into the top 15. Yeah, well, that's what they do in boxing, and it's always been the way they did it. | ||
| They test guys, you get tested, but not a fight that you're going to lose. | ||
| A fight that a guy's going to show you some different looks. | ||
| You're going to get, you know, maybe this guy likes to fight inside, maybe this guy's long, fights on the outside. | ||
| You get these different looks, and you learn and grow and develop new skills and get experience, and then you fight for the title. | ||
| Well, we have Boots, Jaron Ennis. | ||
| His dad was my boxing coach for years. | ||
| Boots holds pads for me all the time. | ||
| Bro, that guy is a wizard. | ||
| He's a wizard. | ||
| I'll watch him hit pads from orthodox to southpaw. | ||
| How hard he hits, I'm like, yo, I'd be butt-scooting towards Boots if I had a 5-year-old. | ||
| Come here because he thumps. | ||
| And he's 25 or 26. He's not even a man yet. | ||
| I used to think the man strength thing was bullshit. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| The older you get, you definitely get stronger. | ||
| And he's getting stronger and he's getting better. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| They gave him the belt, I guess, because Terrence got stripped. | ||
| So he didn't get to earn it. | ||
| He was the interim champ. | ||
| But he's having such a hard time getting a fight. | ||
| Yeah, nobody wants to fight him, and Terrence wants the big money fights him. | ||
| And I get that. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But, Boots is gonna fuck any of these dudes up. | ||
| He's special. | ||
| I think Terrence is great, but Boots is that next generation. | ||
| Well, I think that fight would be very competitive, and I would really love to see that, because I think Terrence is the fucking man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that Terrence is 35, 36, somewhere in that range, and for him, it's all about big money fights. | ||
| That's why he's trying to get that Canelo fight. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| You get to a certain point in your career, you deserve that. | ||
| But I'm happy that they did strip him, so now they're going to give Boots that clear path to go let him build his resume and fight the guys. | ||
| But I don't even know who's in that division. | ||
| Well, it's like right now, Terrence is locked up with Errol Spence again, because Errol Spence, he exercised the rematch gloves. | ||
| So they're going to fight. | ||
| Yeah, I think, you know, if I was being cynical, I would say, listen, Errol Spence fights someone else, how much is he going to make? | ||
| Errol Spence fights Terence Crawford again, he's going to make a big payday. | ||
| And I think that's probably why he's doing this rematch again. | ||
| He knows he's getting paid. | ||
| Yeah, knows he's getting paid, but also not happy with his performance in the first fight and thinks he can do better. | ||
| And I get that. | ||
| I think Terrence is on another level. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| We had the UFC fights and those fights going on, and he just seemed like he was on a different level the entire time. | ||
| Yeah, he's so smart, and he's so technical, and he also has that incredible ability to shift. | ||
| He can switch stances and fight just as good southpaws as orthodox. | ||
| He, uh, I think it was like, I think he was fighting Sean Porter and his coach was like telling him like, yo, he's, it was like the 10th round. | ||
| He was like, yo, he's up. | ||
| And it didn't register for his, like, he looked at back. | ||
| He's like, he's up, he's up. | ||
| And he went out there and he's like, all right, bet. | ||
| Went out there, smoked him the next round. | ||
| I'm like, yo, this dude is fucking, he's the man. | ||
| But yeah, boots, like boxing's hard to follow though. | ||
| Cause there's so many, it's not like the UFC is the UFC and there's like, Top rank, and there's Showtime, and there's this, and the belt. | ||
| Like, who has the belt? | ||
| Right. | ||
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There's so many belts. | |
| It makes it hard to follow. | ||
| Well, there does, because there's not just way more weight classes, but there's also four sanctioning bodies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's at least four. | ||
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WBC, IBO. WBO. Yeah. | |
| IBF, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| So how many boxing... | ||
| It's at least four. | ||
| It's at least four. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF. That's four right there. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| There's probably four more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot. | ||
| But it's just like, why? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why there's so many sanctioning bodies? | ||
| Like, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's not like we're in MMA, like... | ||
| Yeah, there's Bellator. | ||
| Well, not now. | ||
| I mean, there still is, but like... | ||
| Because Bellator is going to still exist overseas, right? | ||
| Yeah, with PFL. But in MMA, you want to be a UFC champion. | ||
| When you're a boxer, you're like, I want to be WB. It's so hard to... | ||
| You want to beat the guy who's recognized as being famous as a champion. | ||
| And what do you want to have? | ||
| Do you want to have all four belts? | ||
| Because if you don't have all four belts, you're not really... | ||
| You can be like, oh, that guy's still out there. | ||
| It just gets fucking hard to follow. | ||
| Right, it does. | ||
| But yeah, Boots is... | ||
| He's scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's scary as shit. | ||
| I love watching him. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| And dude, his dad's like 70 years old. | ||
| Still spars. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He still spars? | ||
| We live in the same neighborhood. | ||
| I'll see him running. | ||
| He'll be running. | ||
| I'll fucking beat my horn. | ||
| I'm like, yo! | ||
| His name's Bozy. | ||
| And he's just still just getting it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| 70 years old. | ||
| He's like 70. Still sparring. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Still sparring. | ||
| Still running. | ||
| Comes in the gym. | ||
| Sweatpants. | ||
| Sweat top. | ||
| Like... | ||
| He doesn't hold pads anymore because of his shoulders, but he holds noodles. | ||
| So he holds the noodles for him and still just fucking just loves it. | ||
| That's what he just loves to do. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I love the fact that he can keep doing it at that age. | ||
| I mean Floyd Mableweather Sr. was doing it. | ||
| He was sparring pretty late into his life. | ||
| I mean, when I'm done fighting, I'm 100%. | ||
| Obviously, jiu-jitsu is going to be huge. | ||
| I want to compete, but I still want to train. | ||
| There's nothing better than waking up every day and you get to do what you love to do. | ||
| There's rough days, of course, but I get to go train and there's no other place I'd rather be. | ||
| If I had... | ||
| A billion dollars in my bank, I would still do the same exact things I do every day because it's what I love to do. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| That's a successful life. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| That's a truly successful life if you're actually doing the things you love all the time. | ||
| And if you can make that your job, that's amazing. | ||
| You go to 9 to 5, you're sitting in traffic, you're like, dude, I fucking hate this. | ||
| We have a schedule, but you still get to kind of make your own. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's Bozy. | ||
| 70 years old? | ||
| This is old, too. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, what is he? | ||
| 65? | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Still, that's incredible. | ||
| He looks great. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, he is boxing still. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| 65-year-old Bozy sparring. | ||
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65. 65. And he's just fucking around, bro. | |
| He's talking shit, too. | ||
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Just popping with that jab. | |
| And the jab, as you were saying before about Sean, the jab real low. | ||
| Coming down from low, yeah. | ||
| And same thing I was saying about our gym, Marquez, MMA. Bro, they're in just these gritty gyms. | ||
| There's no super gym. | ||
| There's no super gym in Philly. | ||
| Well, that's the question. | ||
| What is the best? | ||
| Is it best to be with a small gym with really good coaches where they give you individual attention and they really know what you're doing? | ||
| When you're on, when you're peaking, where you're at, versus going to a mega gym, like ATT. So my coach, John, he's the only person that holds pads for me. | ||
| He watches all my sparring sessions, like he does for all of us, and then he'll send my sparring to Dean. | ||
| Dean will break it down. | ||
| And then my wrestling coach, Cody, it's only three or four guys, but the head guy is John, and he oversees everything. | ||
| When you have a big gym, if you're not a top guy, you're not getting that. | ||
| You have the training partners, but you're not getting that one-on-one. | ||
| Unless you're a champion. | ||
| Unless you're a champion. | ||
| Then it's still even hard. | ||
| Your training partners are like, fuck, I want to help these guys out. | ||
| I know American Top Team, they have... | ||
| Different sets of coaches. | ||
| So, you might work with this coach. | ||
| Like, they have Mike Brown. | ||
| He's the main guy. | ||
| So, you might work with Mike, but you might not work with this guy. | ||
| But, I just think it's... | ||
| Like, I'm lucky enough. | ||
| I don't have to travel. | ||
| Like, my whole family lives in this... | ||
| Like, I thought... | ||
| Like, there was definitely times when I was coming up. | ||
| I'm like, damn. | ||
| Like, where would I go? | ||
| Would I go to Florida? | ||
| Would I go here? | ||
| Would I go there? | ||
| And then, I got lucky enough that I was just winning fights and our team was growing... | ||
| And we have the training partners now, and I don't have to go anywhere. | ||
| No, listen, man. | ||
| The results speak for themselves, obviously. | ||
| So tell me more. | ||
| I want to hear more about this mental training and what's involved with that. | ||
| So you decided to do this after the Bilal fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you said you made some decisions in that fight that you never had made before. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like I remember you're in there and being in a fight is the weirdest feeling ever. | ||
| Sometimes you're super present and then sometimes you're not. | ||
| I remember just being in that fight with Kelvin. | ||
| For 15 minutes, I was where my feet were. | ||
| I was super present. | ||
| I was locked in that entire time. | ||
| When I fought Bilal, I remember I was just thinking about other shit and then I'd come back to the present and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| I'm in the middle of a fight. | ||
| I just wasn't... | ||
| What kind of a show? | ||
| I just wasn't present. | ||
| I just wasn't thinking about the fight. | ||
| I just didn't want to be there. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| And I never felt like that before. | ||
| So now I started working with this guy Brian Kane. | ||
| He worked with GSP after GSP lost to... | ||
| Matt Serra. | ||
| First fight. | ||
| I started working with him and then I started working with Brian. | ||
| And it's just all about just being super present. | ||
| Not even just in fighting, but just in life. | ||
| Not worrying about what I gotta do later or stupid shit like that. | ||
| Just being in that moment and just focusing in on that because that's all you can control. | ||
| I was so caught up in thinking about the future or what happened the day before. | ||
| If I had a bad day of training, I'd let it bother me. | ||
| And it just came out of the fight, but... | ||
| I just wasn't in the moment. | ||
| And that's like, now I just try to be in the moment in everything I'm doing. | ||
| Just super present, not thinking too far ahead, not thinking about the past. | ||
| And that's something I used to get caught up in a lot. | ||
| Just not being focused on. | ||
| I was just so worried about my next session, or my next this, or thinking about my fight. | ||
| Things I can't control. | ||
| I can't control that far, but all I can control is what I'm doing in this moment. | ||
| So what is it that you do So we just have drills. | ||
| Say if I'm sparring and if something's not going my way, just little signals just to bring myself back into what I'm doing. | ||
| If a round doesn't go my way, not getting too caught up on that and just knowing I have another round and I can just get back into that. | ||
| Just having these signal lights. | ||
| It's called red, green, red? | ||
| Red, yellow, green. | ||
| So green, all systems go. | ||
| You're having the best training session of your life. | ||
| Yellow, you're starting to get in your head a little bit. | ||
| It's not working out. | ||
| You're not getting off your shots. | ||
| You're not getting off your takedowns. | ||
| Red, you're getting pieced up. | ||
| Your mind's going other places. | ||
| You don't want to fucking be there anymore. | ||
| And when you get in the red, you have to have... | ||
| He works with baseball players. | ||
| Say you're about to get struck out. | ||
| The batter will step out of the box. | ||
| They'll take off their gloves and they'll... | ||
| They'll, like, do, like... | ||
| They'll, like, tap their shoulder or something, and it's just, like... | ||
| A reset. | ||
| A reset. | ||
| And that's exactly... | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| So, like, if I'm having, like, a bad session, like, obviously I'm not gonna fucking, like, tap my head or something like that, but just, like, talking to myself and just... | ||
| Just knowing, like, I'm... | ||
| All right, like, you're good. | ||
| Like, bring it back. | ||
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Like, just relax. | |
| So how do you reset? | ||
| Like, is there a very specific thing that you do? | ||
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Just talk... | |
| Just... | ||
| I just talk to myself. | ||
| Just... | ||
| And, like, what do you say to yourself? | ||
| Just looking at myself. | ||
| Just, um... | ||
| We have, like, uh... | ||
| Our affirmations for my last fight were, I control what I can control. | ||
| I trust my training. | ||
| I'm aggressive and always moving forward. | ||
| And then we'd have a funny one to make it not that serious. | ||
| It was, I'm confident, I'm cocky, I'm motherfucking rocky. | ||
| And it would just make you laugh. | ||
| And before my fight with Kelvin, I'm fucking in the bathroom and I'm saying these affirmations and then I'll laugh because it's not that serious, but small little things like that just to bring it back and just be present. | ||
| And then I started working with another guy through my management company. | ||
| His name is Brandon Epstein. | ||
| And we would visualize the fights. | ||
| So every week we'd meet on the call and We go from visualizing being in the locker room. | ||
| Well, even before that, the most nervous I would get before a fight is that shower at 12 o'clock fight day. | ||
| You get a shower, and you know the car's coming to pick you up in two hours. | ||
| So we'd like close our eyes and we'd start in the shower. | ||
| I'd shower, get changed. | ||
| Car would pick you up. | ||
| We're walking to the locker room. | ||
| We're in the locker room. | ||
| We're hitting pads. | ||
| We're warming up, getting your hands wrapped, making that walk. | ||
| And then like for 5, 10, 50, however long I'd be just eyes closed visualizing how I want the fight to go. | ||
| Bad situations, good situations, and then eventually winning the fight and visualizing talking to you or talking to DC, and I would do these mental reps over and over and over again. | ||
| Sitting in the sauna, I would do it. | ||
| Sitting in the cold tub, I would do it. | ||
| I would have my affirmations so, like, timed up if I was going in the cold for three minutes, I knew how many times I would have to say them, and then my three minutes would be up. | ||
| And that's all in training camp, and I would just do that shit over and over and over again. | ||
| Mmm, and and that was something you'd never done never done before cuz um You never like I would never think about it And then before you know it you get there and you're like fuck I just it feels brand new to you again because you only fight a couple of times a year if you're lucky but instead I've seen these things a million times in my mind already like yeah physically I wasn't there but mentally like I I'm already in this locker room. | ||
| I've already walked in the cage. | ||
| I already made the walk. | ||
| They would make custom music for me that I would listen with my walkout music, Kelvin's walkout music, crowd noise, and I would listen to it before sparring and when I'm shadowboxing and shit like that. | ||
| And I just felt so prepared doing it. | ||
| And I just never did anything like that before. | ||
| And yeah, it's a fucking game changer. | ||
| That's interesting because they do say that visualization actually helps skill learning as much as training. | ||
| Like if you are training, but then also visualizing things and spending as much time, your training, your improvements will be compounded. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| And I'm blanking on a million other things we do, but that's the big ones. | ||
| Just visualizing what you want to do. | ||
| And not just the good, the bad too. | ||
| too like so I would think about like if I Getting ready for Kelvin everyone is like I'm gonna get knocked out. | ||
| I'm gonna get this I'm gonna get that so I would visualize getting fucking dropped and having to get back in or getting rocked or Going for a takedown getting stuffed and having to recover from that and go and win the fight because they're not gonna you're not gonna it's not always gonna go your way so Visualizing the bad but still making it out with the good which I didn't do with Bilal like Like, he rocked me in that moment, and I was still there. | ||
| Instead of just making that switch and be like, you're good, like, go back, and just getting back to the fight, I just never could get back. | ||
| Is that partially attributable just also to getting hit? | ||
| Like, because sometimes when guys get hit, they're out of it. | ||
| Like, you've seen many guys that go back to the fourth round, and they don't know what round it is. | ||
| I remember everything. | ||
| It definitely buzzed me, but I remember just putting my hands up, and I just couldn't throw my punch, and I heard the 10-second clap go off. | ||
| I thought I was going to get saved by the belt, and I was going to make it to the next round, and I never did. | ||
| Well, it was an interesting stoppage, because it was one of the rare UFC stoppages with the guy standing up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very rare. | ||
| And that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I didn't get dropped and I remember everything. | ||
| I remember hearing the clapper. | ||
| My coaches were right behind me. | ||
| I could hear my coach John screaming, he's good, he's good, he's good! | ||
| And he stopped it, which, good on him, but I just couldn't do what I wanted to do. | ||
| It was the weirdest feeling. | ||
| Well, it's so subjective when a fight gets stopped and when it doesn't get stopped. | ||
| And the thing that sucks the most is when a fight is stopped too late. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| You know, the Jalen Turner, Bobby Green fight? | ||
| That was bad. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| That was bad. | ||
| That was so bad. | ||
| You were cage-side for that, right? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I was like, stop the fight. | ||
| What is happening here? | ||
| I think it was like 20-something unanswered strikes or something like that. | ||
| That is so hard to watch. | ||
| Yeah, it was... | ||
| So unnecessary. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| But yeah, back to the... | ||
| The mental performance stuff, it all came down to me being focused for 15 minutes. | ||
| You can be doing anything and you're fucking driving, but you're looking off. | ||
| You're not in the moment. | ||
| That's something now I try to do in everything I do in my life. | ||
| If I'm walking my dog, I'll leave my phone at home. | ||
| Just try to be... | ||
| Present doing the thing you're doing at the time, not wearing, there's so much noise and other shit. | ||
| And when I'm fighting, like the only thing I'm fucking thinking about is fighting. | ||
| Well, just having the tools in terms of like having strategies and having a pathway that's already carved in your mind for all of these different scenarios has got to be beneficial. | ||
| It's way better than just winging it. | ||
| No, yeah, and that's the thing. | ||
| If you're just winging it... | ||
| They wanted me to even get to the arena and go walk it before the fight. | ||
| I couldn't get in. | ||
| They used to have GSP go in the day before the fight and actually already be in the arena and feel that and already see that. | ||
| I couldn't do that this fight, but if I get the chance, before I go and fight my next fight, I'm going to go fucking... | ||
| Walk around that cage feel the canvas and just yeah because you only get to do it once. | ||
| So Kelvin was ranked right? | ||
| Where was Kelvin at? | ||
| He was ranked at middle weight. | ||
| Oh, yeah, so this way because it's debut. | ||
| He I was number nine going into that fight. | ||
| I'm number seven now because he was originally supposed to fight Shavka. | ||
| Shavka got hurt and then They matched us up And I don't know what he's going to do if he's going to stay at 70, go back to 85, but I'm number 7 at 70 now. | ||
| I don't think he has that hard of a time making it down to 170. I just think he has to make some adjustments. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| When you go back to when Calvin was in his prime... | ||
| I just really think 170 was always the weight for him. | ||
| I just think he needs to do it the right way. | ||
| He needs to do it at the PI. If you look at the people he's beat, he's fought everyone. | ||
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| And the guys he's lost to, they're all close fights. | ||
| How about the Adesanya fight? | ||
| Very close. | ||
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| I watched that fight so many times. | ||
| I'm like, dude, he's fucking... | ||
| Calvin's good. | ||
| He's fast. | ||
| That one-two, that right-left, that fucking straight-left he has? | ||
| I had so many guys, like, just getting ready for that fight because I've watched all of these fights. | ||
| I watched what he did to all these guys when he knocked out Bisbon, when he knocked... | ||
| He beat Jacare. | ||
| Like, he's beating all these guys. | ||
| He beat, um... | ||
| Johnny Hendricks. | ||
| You go and look at his record, you're like, holy shit, this guy fought all these guys, and he has so much experience. | ||
| I think he had five or six main events. | ||
| He fought Chris Weidman, dropped him bad in the first round. | ||
| Weidman submitted him in the third round, but fucking got floored before that. | ||
| So you're thinking, this is at 185, he's going to hit way harder at 170, so I trained my fucking ass off for that fight. | ||
| But yeah, once I got him to the ground, I'm like... | ||
| This is where I'm going to win this. | ||
| Well, you are in that weight class one of the absolute elite grapplers and that was really established in that fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I was so impressed with your control, your ability. | ||
| I mean, he's a good grappler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kelvin's a very good grappler. | ||
| And you were manhandling him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like the same thing. | ||
| I have a path I'm going to do on the ground. | ||
| And you turn this way, I have something for that. | ||
| It's like a map in my mind. | ||
| You might think you're getting out, but I'm just... | ||
| Putting you in a direction I want to put you on. | ||
| I love that slow cook approach. | ||
| Take you down, wear you out. | ||
| Second round, same thing. | ||
| I submitted Jake Matthews in the third, Kelvin in the third. | ||
| Obviously, if I can get it in the first round, but when you wear on guys, there's nothing better than that feeling. | ||
| Because you can feel it. | ||
| You can feel when you're on top of somebody and they're just slowly, slowly, their energy is just getting zapped. | ||
| So have there been talks about when you're going to come back and who you might likely be facing? | ||
| So there's that Atlantic City card. | ||
| It's March 30th. | ||
| So it's still like 11, 12 weeks away. | ||
| I just want to make sure my hand's good before I go back into anything. | ||
| So maybe April time frame will be there, but... | ||
| I would like the Colby fight. | ||
| He's ranked 5 now. | ||
| He hasn't beaten anybody inside the top 15. He has no ranked wins. | ||
| Masvidal doesn't fight anymore. | ||
| All the guys he's beat, they're not even in the UFC. And then there's Wonderboy right ahead of me. | ||
| I don't know what he's going to do. | ||
| They don't want to put him with a grappler. | ||
| And I get that. | ||
| But if it's going to be like that... | ||
| I don't think you should be in the rankings either. | ||
| If you're going to pick and choose, and he deserves to, he's done a lot in the sport, go have your fun fights, like Terrence Crawford, but put someone else in the division. | ||
| But yeah, there's a couple big fights. | ||
| Luque's right behind me, so that could be a fight that they could match us up. | ||
| Have they given you any indication of which way they might be going? | ||
| Not yet, not yet. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Do you just get a call one day? | ||
| They reach out to your manager, I guess, and then your manager calls you and they're like, hey, this is what they're thinking. | ||
| And then it's literally that simple. | ||
| You just go from there. | ||
| But if you have an injury or something like that, you kind of let them know what's going on. | ||
| I just told them I'm like give me a week or two to see kind of how my hands feeling and because I'm going to try to do absolutely nothing and just let it rest and if it feels good like I would love to fight in AC like I fought in AC I won belts in AC like it's it was like my bat fighting in Philly or fighting in AC like right fucking we'd all go out and party afterwards when we were younger it was great but what was the drive like 45 minutes like an hour It's the easiest drive ever. | ||
| But being hungover, driving home, you're like, alright, it's only an hour. | ||
| It's not that bad. | ||
| We used to get fucking rowdy. | ||
| And AC, when I was younger, it would be awesome to do that again. | ||
| But I don't want to rush into it and start a training camp with my hand fucked up. | ||
| Especially because I'm in a good position now. | ||
| I'm number seven. | ||
| I had a big win. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I would like to Colby just because he's always gotten... | ||
| He's won his fights, but he's always kind of gotten an easier path to the title. | ||
| So I think he should have to fight somebody younger than him, ranked behind him, and then if he deserves it, he'll win that fight, and then he can go back. | ||
| But if not... | ||
| Let the younger guys move up. | ||
| It's going to be interesting what happens with him now after that fight because it's obvious that you can't give him another title shot. | ||
| No. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So it's not like he can go right back in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He absolutely could earn another title shot in the future with a bunch of wins. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's still possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, what is that path? | ||
| Like, and who do they match him up with? | ||
| He was calling out Wonderboy. | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| Like... | ||
| You're one of the best grapplers in the division. | ||
| I'm one of the best. | ||
| Let's fucking, me and you do it. | ||
| And let's see who wins. | ||
| We're right next to each other in the rankings. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| I'd love to see that fight. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I want. | ||
| Well, listen, Sean, you're a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Always love watching fight. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
| Super high level. | ||
| I love watching high level grappling. | ||
| It's so awesome. | ||
| Looking up, I didn't realize. | ||
| I seen you, and I didn't realize fucking Gordon was right next to you. | ||
| I was talking to Dana. | ||
| I'm like, there's Joe. | ||
| I'm like, there's Gordon. | ||
| I'm like, damn, this is... | ||
| It was awesome, man. | ||
| Fucking thank you for having me, man. | ||
| Hey, my pleasure, brother. | ||
| It was cool being there. | ||
| We're inside. | ||
| Dude, I like watching fights so much better than commentating. | ||
| If you could just get to sit there and watch, it's so fun. | ||
| And that fight was really fun. | ||
| It was really fun to be able to watch live up front. | ||
| So congratulations. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
| And good luck to you, brother. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Tell everybody your Instagram and social media. | ||
| SeanBradyMMA on Instagram. | ||
| And yeah, that's it. | ||
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| Good luck. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. |
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