Joe Rogan and Derek Fitness explore Canada’s authoritarian crackdown—Trudeau’s government labeling truckers as racist, freezing bank accounts, and pushing bills to block foreign news—while Rogan jokes about potential podcast bans. They contrast modern fitness extremes (Gordon Ryan’s steroid-driven training vs. functional martial arts) with athletes like Conor McGregor’s post-surgery transformation, debating whether his 10-day half-life gains or BPC-157’s untested recovery benefits signal doping’s normalization. Rogan’s low-key podcast setup and Austin comedy club success highlight organic growth over manufactured trends, while sports’ shifting stance on PEDs—from Bonds-era stigma to science-backed acceptance—undermines old "cheater" narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
What they've done up there, what they did with the trucker rally and what Trudeau's doing with guns and what they're trying to clamp down on censorship on the internet, that guy can eat shit.
That place needs 100% an overhaul of government.
They're sliding down that dangerous road of communism that scares the shit out of me.
Yeah, it's funny because even though I'm in Canada, it seems like the prevalence of political information and media is so much lesser than what goes on in the States because it's just far more interesting.
But even the alternatives that I'm aware of on the political side of things that are trying to...
You know, get Trudeau out and replace him.
Not much better, from my understanding.
It seems like everyone's...
Every time I go on Twitter, I see Jordan Peterson shitting on some other guy who's, like, the next best option, apparently.
I wonder what the consensus is of, like, the average Canadian if they think it's, well, this guy's legit, or if they're like, this guy doesn't care about us at all.
Have you seen the The ban of news in Canada to where if you're located in Canada, you can't access news outlets now because the news outlets or the social media platforms featuring the news outlets refuse to pay Canada their own fee, essentially.
So if I'm in Canada and I go on Instagram and try to go to a news page that's outside of Canadian media, it'll literally say, can't view, unavailable in Canada.
The bills, it seems like every couple of weeks there's some new gong show of a bill that everyone says is going to wipe out creators off social media or force you to make Canadian content only, which is like this super nebulous thing that you have no idea.
Am I only going to be able to talk about maple syrup and beavers and shit?
Or what's it going to be?
You don't know.
So that's a concern as somebody on YouTube especially.
That's a concern, that this could be used in that manner to stop people from accessing podcasts, especially if I'm openly critical of that shithole communist government.
I was a little kid and you could play a game on the television and it was nuts.
Nobody could believe it.
And you had like this little dot that would go doot doot and you would like with your little scroll wheel you would roll your paddle up to hit the dot doot doot.
And me and my sister would play Pong and we were like, this is crazy!
Jamie and I and Jeff a few years back, we had a local area network room in our old studio in LA. And it got to be a real problem, where it's just too much fun.
So we would get out of a podcast at, you know, three-ish, and I would be playing until six, seven at night, and then I'd go home, and I didn't feel good.
I'd get out of there, I'd be frazzled, your adrenaline's frying, like, Jesus Christ, I feel fucking terrible.
So, I played it, and it's probably the most addictive thing in my life right now.
So, I need to...
I'm highly considering just...
Getting rid of it and getting it out of my house.
It's almost like junk food where you have to keep it out of the house to not go ham on it.
With the games, it's the same thing, dude.
And the graphics now and all the colors and the vibrancy and everything, compared to Pong back in the day, I can just imagine what it does to your expectation of dopamine hits and then what other stuff in life...
Feels like, reward-wise, like proportionally to it, it's probably like fucking night and day compared to the Pong days.
And this is a game that you play, you have headphones on, and you can hear sounds behind you.
You can hear them to the right, to the left.
Super sophisticated.
When you're running through the water, you hear splashing sounds, you have immersive graphics, you're running through these tunnels and rockets are flying over your head and it lights the wall as the rockets are missing you.
And there's a I don't know how many characters like almost a hundred or something and it's essentially the main or the most sought-after characters or protagonists and antagonists or whatever from major video games So you're basically getting to play with every most popular character of every game ever essentially So even if you win a game The amount of iterations of maps and players and different things you can do,
it never really gets stale.
So you're just sitting there over and over grinding through this thing with no end in sight.
And the wild thing, too, is oftentimes I'm just playing against a computer, but I'll actually get pissed off when I lose.
Like, I have to avenge myself and go beat the computer.
So I'll be like, I'm going to stay here until I beat this fucking guy, even though it's not even a human.
And then I'll burn an hour, and I'll be like...
And that was my mentally sharp, you know, one of however many hours.
It's a game about, like, some science experiment gone wrong that opens up some portal, and aliens come out, and you gotta fight them, and it's in this laboratory, and it's...
These games are so immersive.
It's like you're playing a movie that you're participating in with insane graphics, and they're really well mapped out and planned out, and they make them really challenging and exciting.
If you're a person that's into those things, fuck all your free time, it's gone.
The thing that's wild to me, and obviously people enjoy doing this, so I'm not, you know, shitting on it necessarily, but I can't fathom doing this myself, is sitting there and watching somebody play for hours, but this is literally how it supports them as a creator, is watching the live stream.
So this means that there's thousands of people at home Eating dinner or just sitting there and watching a guy play rather than playing themselves.
Yeah, because it's oftentimes when you're playing too, your commentary is surface level because you're trying to focus, especially if you're really good.
So you're just watching a guy concentrate and play and not really engage with you in any meaningful way and you're just sitting there as an observer.
And somehow finding it worthwhile to chuck money at the guy, sit there and watch him for hours.
It's a platform I'm so not familiar with, but I should for, you know, to understand what's going on with the gaming market.
But...
It's like hot tub streamers or inflatable pool streamers.
And these chicks just put on a live stream and then get in a bathing suit and sit in an inflatable pool in their house and just wait around and talk to you, I guess.
Like, you never get past this thing where, you know, you try to, like...
Manage how to hang out with each other.
Because, you know, when you're dating, everyone has a different personality.
And some things that some people love, other people are like, hey, don't do that.
And you're like, oh, alright.
I didn't know.
I thought you liked it when I opened up the door.
You know, like, whatever it is.
It's like, there's always gonna be a thing that someone doesn't like.
And everyone has so many options today.
If you're an attractive person, a woman or a man, and you have a dating app today, the chances of you finding someone that makes you put away all those other options, because those options in a dating app are just as addictive, I would imagine, as some video games.
You could have a 6 out of 10 who would, 20 years ago or whatever, not get that much attention if it weren't for social media and everything, going through her Tinder and it's like...
Match, match, match, no match, match, match.
Whereas for dudes, it's like nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.
There's a lot of chicks that promote their OnlyFans and social media on Tinder too and that's how they're going about it.
So they're not even looking to date, they're just looking to pump their socials or like get a new OnlyFans subscriber from some simp that thought they were interested.
So if you're a woman, let's say you're a woman and you're making, you know, some of these women are making $100,000 a month just showing their feet and whatever.
I think you'd probably know immediately that she has an OnlyFans.
I don't think it would take long.
I think if you waited a long time, like, if you're dating six to eight months, like, how do you have all these shoes?
Like, where'd you get this car?
Like, what do you do for work?
If it was one of those things, you know, and then you, oh, you have an OnlyFans, and then you were already in love with this woman?
That would be an issue, I guess.
Or maybe you just, like, shift gears and go, okay, I guess this is what I accept.
I mean, it's possible, it's feasible for a woman to have a completely disconnected approach to what her OnlyFans is and think about only as a, this is just a business thing.
I'm just making, I don't want to work at Wendy's and so I'm doing this and I am making extraordinary amounts of money and I'm gonna invest this money in real estate and Smart.
He gets a lot of heat because I don't know if this is actually what he did, but what people are saying is he would type on behalf of the girls, which is like, I don't know, some people say it's kind of gay.
Yeah.
Because it's like you're talking to a dude about, you know, what you'd want to do with him and this and that.
And speaking on behalf of the girl as if you are her, which presumably a lot of girls outsource to whoever they can get to do it or have, I don't know, some cookie cutter scripts or something.
But also, you gotta think of what a person like that is trying to do when they're first getting attention.
You're trying to be as outrageous as possible to get as much people to think about what you're saying and talk about what you're saying and engage with it.
And the best way to do that is to be...
Like a character, an over-the-top, completely arrogant guy who's shirtless with sunglasses on, smoking a cigar, talking about hoes, you know, and pimping hoes.
It's like, is it a character, or is it really you?
And then when you find out, oh, well, no, he actually does run these campsites, and he does have these girls working for him.
Okay.
But then some of the girls talk and go, actually, he's really nice, and he was kind, and he gave me this business opportunity.
And how much of this is, like, if it's your real feelings that, you know, these women are subhuman little robot flesh creatures that you just extract money from.
There's this thing that's going on where men do not feel like there's anyone that represents men in popular culture.
Like what men actually talk about when they're alone, when men are just hanging out with men and not trying to impress women or trying to not get yelled at.
The wild shit they talk about.
And, you know, if you can be the most exaggerated form of that, this world champion kickboxer who's sitting there smoking a cigar, making fun of simps, and, you know, that's very appealing because it doesn't exist.
Young guys who don't want to be like their parents.
They don't want to be like their teachers.
They don't want to be like any of these people they see around them that seem neutered and pot-bellied and fucking depressing and talking about equity and inclusiveness.
I think a lot of naivety around business operations, though, would definitely drive girls to think, I don't want to deal with accounting, I don't want to deal with this, and I don't even know how.
So, yeah, by all means, take 50. Especially if someone can come to you with a pitch that says, look, you can do this and you can make $3,000 a month, or you can do this with us and you can make $150,000 a month.
So, yeah, you'll get 50%, we'll get 50%, but it's a much higher number that you're going to be dealing with.
And you're not gonna get there on your own, and we have this vast network, and we can also introduce you through other girls.
Like, other girls are like, this is my friend Cindy.
Like, you'll see them do that on their Instagram page.
Follow her!
And then, you know, they're just, like, pumping each other up like comics would do.
I've only heard, there's a guy that's on The Challenge, his name is Devin, this TV show on MTV, and he makes a lot of money doing that, but I think he said, yeah, it's all guys.
I feel like unless there is full-blown porn for gay dudes to buy, I would be very skeptical of $20 million, even if he's like an A-list celeb, like that seems insane.
I was gonna like introduce him to trainers and I just wanted to he asked he just wanted to talk to me about it I did not know what he wanted to talk about and so then when I got there I was like hmm Okay What's your lifestyle?
How committed are you?
How much can you train?
How much time do you think you need to prepare?
Do you have any experience at all in combat sports?
Do you just think you're going to kick his ass because you hate him?
Kid Rock, I don't put my money on that motherfucker.
He seems like a guy who's hit people in the head with a rock before.
I think in the beginning, he thought that he would be able to stuff takedowns and he would kick my ass, and then he found out, no, I'm a Taekwondo champion.
I'm a kickboxer.
I'm way better at standing up than I am on the ground.
And then I don't know what happened, but there was a bunch of different demands.
At first it was going to be 50-50, and then he wanted it to be 60-40, and I'd agreed to everything.
And then finally it was like, okay, give me just this amount of money and give him whatever the fuck else you want.
I'm like, I'm going to fucking strangle that guy.
Let me get a hold of him.
And it never happened.
This would be a perfect thing to do.
He's never fought in MMA before.
I've never done it before.
This would be fun and it'll make a lot of money.
The idea of this guy who'd never had any competitive fights at all, ever.
That he thought he could do that like okay like you're not gonna know what that feels like like I might have done it a long time ago, but I've done it I know what that feels like when the referees looking at you.
Are you ready?
And then that's a Moment that if you've never experienced that moment ever in your life and the bell goes ding and you're like oh shit Is this real?
Federal judges sentence Lawrence Hill to three months in prison and three more in house arrest for failing to pay taxes on close to a million dollars in earnings.
So how do you vet, because obviously you have some of the financial advising people that will tell you weird tax strategies and things that are sketchy.
How do you vet that dude 25 years ago who has been great?
You know, he does everything by the book, you know, and they're really good and they've been around forever.
It's like, that's what you need.
It's like you would think athletes at the highest level of the game wouldn't be involved in shady gym bros that might be handing them stuff that's getting popped for USADA. But yet it happens all the time.
All the time.
There's a lot of weird guys that wind up being sycophants and hang out in camp.
That could tell you, you know, this stuff, they're using it in Holland and no one can test for it in America.
My understanding, without getting too into details, is that once these players, not graduate, but when they retire, They're still afforded some sort of...
But they would also need someone that they would be willing to listen to, right?
Because a lot of these people are also very headstrong, you know, strong egos.
They've been doing it their own way.
They've become champions that way.
And to, like, adjust that shift in the way you think and say, oh, I'm kind of a fuck-up.
I'm...
I need someone to invest my money.
And then find someone who's willing to do it when your career is already at this point where, hey, in three years from now, you're going to be making zero money.
Like, if you're a 36-year-old fighter, for example, and you're competing in the UFC, the odds of you being competing in the UFC in three years are so low.
There's only a few guys.
There's guys like Jan Blachowicz, who's a world champion in his 40s.
Glover Teixeira, world champion in his 40s.
Most fighters, by the time 40 rolls around, like Daniel Cormier is another example, rare.
Very rare to be elite at that age.
Most of those guys are done.
And when I see a fighter, and I see like...
A guy who's on the way up 28, and he's fighting a guy who is established at 36. I'm like, ooh, this might be the one.
Because this might be the time when the wheels fall off.
Because all those years of punishment on the body, you never know what's going on with injuries.
It could be a neck, a back, a hip.
A knee, something that fucks with them, it's not enabling them to train properly.
They can't make specific movements when they want to because it's painful.
So even though they look good and they're fighting, they might be compromised, like, pretty significantly.
There's guys that fight and they have fucking bulging discs in their neck.
That are giving them, like, nerve pains in their hands.
And if they get caught in a guillotine, they're fucked.
Shane just went down to Tijuana to the CPI, which is a great place to get stem cells in Mexico.
He went down there and they told him, once you have this procedure, so he got a bunch of injections directly into the discs of his back to mitigate disc degeneration disease, which is just essentially like compression of your body, smashing down the discs.
They told him, you're not doing anything for eight weeks.
So for a guy like him, that's like super fit and very active, is like, what can I do?
You can walk.
You have to give these cells time to actually do their work.
And if you're constantly putting stress on those joints after they've had stem cells, you're just completely aggravating all these pre-existing injuries and conditions.
Stem cells are never going to get a chance to do their job.
You've got to give this tissue a chance to re-proliferate.
You've got to give your body a chance to heal.
They have to go to work.
And if you're constantly beating your body up during that process, it's not going to work.
Yeah, if you're doing something that you have a pretty significant injury, I would imagine this is the longest I've heard anybody be asked to take off, and that's, I think, because they're going into his discs.
But I had a torn MCL on my left knee.
And I got stem cells in it.
And then a few weeks later, I was training hard again.
Like kicking the bag and doing Muay Thai and kicking pads.
And it just kept getting...
It kept flaring up.
And then I said, okay.
I see what the fuck is going on here, and I know how hard-headed I am.
I gotta take a year off of Muay Thai, and I took a whole year.
One year, I didn't kick at all.
And all I did is those knees over toes guys things, and stem cells, and now it's great.
But I had to give it that time.
I was just always re-aggravating the same injury.
It would get a little bit better to the point where it didn't hurt anymore.
And then when you're throwing kicks, the amount of torque that is on those joints, when you're going full power...
You're taking the mass of your body, which in my case is 200 pounds, you're exploding off the ground, and then you're slamming your shin into this hard pad over and over and over and over again.
It's just brutal punishment on your joints if you've got some sort of a compromise, if something's wrong there.
I had it done just a couple days ago because I have, I think what is overuse, I think it's probably like some sort of tendonitis in my lower back.
And it's from archery.
It's from, you know, when you're pulling a bow back, I have two bows.
One is 80 pounds to pull back and one is 90. And so I'm pulling 80 or 90 pounds 150 times a day.
Over and over and over again.
So it's this motion where my right arm pulls back and I'm anchoring in and then I'm locking it down.
And a lot of that stability and locking it down and like maintaining your posture Is in my right lower back.
That's where like everything sort of like balances out.
That's like the fulcrum or the point where all the stress of my upper back and my legs meet and that's what kind of keeps it stable and that was getting overused.
To the point where I would draw my bow back and I could do it a few times and then like on the 10th time, 11th time, it would start to flare up and it was becoming an issue.
Comedians and my security staff are the only ones who use it.
And so it's like...
You know, I've been doing these comedian workouts where I take these guys that, you know, they've been talking about it for a while.
They don't work out at all.
And I'm like, look, come down.
We'll have a fun time.
We'll laugh around a bit and we'll, I'll start you off real light.
I started them out with just body weight exercises like we're going to do.
I do like a series of 100 push-ups and 100 bodyweight squats every day.
And what I do is that's how I warm up from my cold plunge.
So I start the cold plunge.
That's the first thing I do.
And then I do, once I'm done with 100 bodyweight squats and 100 push-ups, then I can start working out.
Because I'm pretty warm by then.
And then I'll start doing my other stuff.
And so what I would do with these guys is I would start them out with the bodyweight squats and the push-ups.
And I'm like, you don't have to do sets of 20. I'm like, if you could do 5. If you could do 10, do 5. Because we're going to do five sets.
And so you'll wind up doing 25 push-ups, and you'll wind up doing 25 bodyweight squats, which is not a lot, but I'm just trying to build them on a base.
And then I had them doing very light kettlebells, you know, like 10 kilograms, and you're doing swings.
You know, I'm teaching them how to rack and cleans and presses, and then I worked them into windmills.
And then once I got them going for a little, and then one day the rock came, so we had a serious workout.
And I'm like, just, everybody try to keep up, but we're going to get after it today.
Because they're just fusing all those, you get a little space in between each spinal column, and then that goes away, that goes away, that goes away, so everything is compressed.
And then that creates all sorts of problems in your body, because everything's kind of out of a line now.
And then your back is one stiff rod, because everything's fused.
It's fucked.
But The Rock's avoided all that.
Like, he's in pretty good...
He's not that mobile.
Like, we had him doing, like, windmills.
You know what a windmill is?
You clean, press with a kettlebell, and then you go down like this with your hand all the way down to the ground, and then all the way back up.
Seems like every video he's in a gym that's been propped up somewhere, and it's still like all the equipment is there, but there's no one there, and it's like a mobile facility, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of it is you become very limited in your ability to do actual athletic maneuvers, too.
Like, even when I first started bodybuilding, I was teaching swimming lessons and was a lifeguard, and I would go to, I had to teach the kids certain different kinds of strokes and whatnot, and my backstroke in particular, the mobility of my shoulder, and actually being able to get it past my ear even, it was like I was smashing my head with my delt, and I couldn't even keep a straight arm because I was so inflexible.
And that was the first time I noticed, damn, this is really limiting.
You become athletic looking, and you could do things at a high level because you look good objectively, but the actual athletic performance capacity is dramatically hindered if you don't focus on that stuff.
Well, for supplementation, I've recently had Gary Brekka on the podcast, and I started taking all the different methylated vitamins and things that he recommends.
I just started doing it.
I can't tell.
I feel great, but I can't tell if it's been an improvement.
I also ordered one of his light beds, which seemed...
Dana White's face looks like he's 10 years younger.
There's a thing that happened to him that happens to everyone when you lose body fat I noticed when I get on the carnivore diet like your cheeks get kind of sucked in and you kind of look like shit Because it's like you don't have face fat anymore, which kind of fills your face out more So your face starts getting like kind of sunken in his face did that at first and then it plumped up again and And I'm like, what's going on with that?
And he's like, it's the red light bed.
Like, the red light bed increases collagen in your skin, and you use it every day.
And he uses it, he's got a routine that Gary Brecka does.
When I got on the carnivore diet, that's one of the things I know.
I lost a shitload of body fat.
Like, I got really ripped.
Like, pretty easily.
Like, this is kind of extraordinary.
And also, the thing that's the most beneficial to me is the mental focus and clarity.
Which...
I mean, I did it once before in like four or five years ago.
I did it for a month and I lost 12 pounds.
But I kind of always went off it on it, eat pizza, have pasta, you know, one or two days a week I'll fuck off.
But I've been really good at it for the last couple months.
Like I had a slice of pizza last night and then on Saturday night I had some sushi.
The majority of my diet though, and that's rare, I won't do that again for another month or so, the majority of my diet is all just meat and eggs and game meat and bacon and it's all just healthy fat.
I'll still eat avocados and avocado oil and I'll occasionally have a piece of fruit, but the vast majority of my diet is just animal based.
And when I do that, I have 100% It's recognition that there's an extra gear that I have mentally.
When I first started doing it again, I remember I came home once from my club and I was a little drunk and I was like, I can't drink every night at this fucking club.
It's too fun.
I'm hanging out with these comedians, we're at the bar, we're all laughing.
Anybody want to get a shot?
Alright, do a shot.
And then I get home and I'm like, god damn.
I gotta clean my act up.
And I'm like, you know what?
I really need to go back to that carnivore diet, because that's when I felt my best.
So I go back to it, and then within two weeks, I notice a clear difference in my mental clarity.
And this is someone with me who already takes...
I take this Alpha Brain Black Label.
I take NeuroGum.
I'm already taking things that enhance my focus.
But this is a difference, like a noticeable difference.
And so that's when I decided, okay, this is how I'm going to eat from now on.
Because this just seems to be for sure the way my body optimizes performance.
There's no other thing that I do that has that big of an impact.
Yeah, that's, uh, when you wake up, is it like your waking energy levels are heightened too, or is it just the stability of those that don't wildly fluctuate throughout the day and they stay constant?
Yeah, finding, uh, I would like to do sled, but public gyms, often, it's, uh, you're that guy when you're, like, walking through the fucking middle of the entire walkway.
Yeah, you kind of almost have to take the sled out into the parking lot or something or have a place to do it.
I used to do it in my yard.
I had one that I would do outside.
I would strap this weight thing around my waist, a weight belt, and clip the cord to the sled and then I would stack like 90 pounds on the sled and then just do a lot of it is doing it backwards.
So I'd pull it backwards, which is really good for your knees.
That's like what Ben Patrick, the knees over toes guy, what he recommends.
Apparently it's like, maybe it's not as good as this obviously, but it's like, I've had patellar tendonitis for years and I've kind of just like left it essentially.
And the knees over toes stuff, that's kind of like the next best alternative to sled work, it seems like.
But even him with his dialed-in practices and whatnot...
If the stuff is in his house, he will still go off the rails.
So last time I talked to him, he was mentioning how him and his wife were having an argument about keeping drumsticks in the freezer for their kids because when it's there, he just slams three of them and it pisses him off.
So now he has this deal where he just takes his kids to ice cream whenever they want ice cream rather than having it physically in the house.
My youngest daughter has really gotten into fitness, and it's kind of this strange shift where she gets up in the morning and hits the gym before she goes to school.
Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest reasons for using those trackers and whatnot, like gamifying it, is, I think for some people, kind of the thing they need to make it interesting enough to follow and want to beat personal records and whatnot.
As much as you could point to the results of it, and it would show an outcome that reflects a rate of aging that is potentially slower than what your normal chronological aging would be, which is one year equals one year.
You could be 0.6 per year if you were doing everything amazingly, potentially.
But still, that is highly manipulatable via, like, very, very acute changes.
So if you do something, for example, if you're super healthy for even one or a few days, you could change the result of that plus minus, like, 10 years.
So often, like, I think there was one study where the same guys tried multiple different tests, and each test had a different result based on just what they were doing at the time.
So it was like, obviously if it was a legit tracker, your age biologically would not shift 10 years every day.
So anyway, this leaderboard though, although the science is kind of, you know, not necessarily founded, It's cool to see the gamification of it where people are at least trending with things that are improving their state of quality of life, performance, etc.
So, as much as the whole...
Like the problem with it, obviously, is when people start to monetize the age clocks and start to sell you supplements and shit around it to try and help your biological age drop faster or whatever.
But overall, people are tracking this stuff and getting meticulous about trying to beat each other.
They're competing to get as healthy as possible, doing all the right things.
So, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
And he's constantly talking about how he's like top ranked and fill in the blank metric.
Yeah, which is really interesting because like some of the stuff he does I think is great.
He's putting out good information, but then sometimes it's like I think his total calorie intake is like 2,250.
His protein is like barely 100 grams, which for your body weight is not that great.
And then obviously the value of the protein from the vegan diet is questionable, depending where you're getting it.
And then on top of that, he's using testosterone to maintain his hormones as they're suppressed via the diet model he's on.
So he has all these metrics that he touts as, you know, check out my improvements in these biomarkers, and he'll say, I'm top 0.01% in grip strength for my age, or top 1% in, you know, liver markers, or what have you.
But then he'll be like, I'm top 1% in testosterone, and it's like...
Because if he's so meticulous about monitoring his nutrition, his supplement intake, he's got to know that the most nutrient-dense form of food is meat.
So, like, my understanding is based on whoever he has on his team interpreting nutrition literature and drug literature as well will dictate his choices of what he's doing.
And I think he also has, like, an ethical stance on meat consumption to some extent.
But he also claims that every calorie he eats has intent behind it to where it's deriving, like, the highest value from a longevity perspective, which is questionable, obviously, when you're looking at, like, what the fuck are some of these meals, right?
He intermittent fasts for a big chunk of the day, and then he compresses it and makes sure it's far enough away from going to sleep to not mess with his sleep quality.
And then he has, apparently, one of the best whoop sleep scores on earth, supposedly, is what he claims.
Which, you know, I wouldn't doubt is legit, but I mean, that's an example, too, of gamification, which is...
It's cool, in my opinion, is when you can track trends in, oh, last night my heart rate elevated by X amount, which is abnormal.
Why did it happen?
Oh, maybe it was that I ate this snack that's shitty for me five minutes before I went to sleep, and then my body temperature elevated, it was harder to get to sleep, and my heart rate's trying to I'm metabolizing food while I'm literally trying to sleep at the same time.
There's stuff you can see in the feedback, which is cool, because you wouldn't dig into it yourself otherwise, necessarily.
So when you have it in this nice, laid-out, visually-friendly format, too, and it's giving you notifications, hey, tonight you should probably...
Stop eating two hours before sleep.
Or what happened yesterday?
Your HRV is lower and perhaps focus more on recovery.
It is cool and that is one of the aspects of these fitness trackers that some people have said can be an issue because they have the same sort of addictive qualities that video games do because you're chasing numbers.
Isn't it weird how sometimes common sense stuff totally escapes you, and then all of a sudden you realize one day, I could have been fucking listening to music when I'm in the cold plunge or something?
So one of the most wild things I've seen, and maybe this is more common than I know, but Ben Greenfield, the longevity biohacking dude, you've had him on a couple times, I think.
Essentially every time he's doing a podcast he's walking on like a treadmill with his desk in front of him or walking outside so the guy is literally never not in motion essentially like he is I don't know how many steps he gets in a day but a lot of people maybe in that space like the biohacking niche are literally like raising their desks shoving a treadmill underneath it and then like making sure they're getting steps while doing emails or while podcasting which is pretty wild I think that makes sense.
If you have two phones, and one phone, if you have an iPhone, and one phone, the iMessage is hooked up to your number, and the other one, the iMessage is hooked up to your email account, you still get all the text messages from the old number, because they're going to the iMessage email account.
So that's how this phone is set up.
So you really can't call me, but you can send me text messages.
And the text message will go there.
But I also found that if someone calls me on the other one and I have this phone hanged up to the email account, the phone with the email account will ring.
So there's famous photos of him in my studio firing off this fucking flamethrower with 17 feet of fire coming off the end of this in the middle of our lobby.
And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
He's just wild, but I guess when you have that much money you're not you really have zero concerns Like you could just be if you're that guy you could just be kind of a silly guy.
He's just fun.
He just likes to have a good time and On the podcast though, it took a while to loosen him up.
I think the There's also like that there's a thing that happens to people when they come on podcasts at least this one where the scale of it is Yeah, it's like the UFC championship of podcasting, essentially.
Yeah, it's like just the numbers of people that will be paying attention.
But once we started drinking, we had a couple glasses of whiskey, and then things got loose, and then we were having a good time.
Yeah, one thing that's really good about this, I'm sure you've heard this a million times, but how chill the setup is with you guys, it's like, I've been on podcasts where it's like, I feel like I'm on a, I don't know, like the news or something, or it's some big production, and it's pretty intimidating when you have seven camera crew guys running around you every two seconds, and there's seven different camera angles that you're thinking about, and Oh, don't shift this way too much.
Oh, don't do that.
Yeah, and here it's...
I think a lot of people would be surprised how chill and laid back the whole setup is.
I think a lot of people, and I'm not a pro podcaster by any means, but I think they're of the opinion that higher production value...
Consistently, no matter how high it gets, equals better, without thinking about the detriment it has to the actual conversation, it becomes very manufactured.
Well, I think particularly with this kind of podcast, you have to be aware of what are you making.
Well, what you're making is a conversation that you want to be as easy to listen to as possible.
So you want the person who's the guest to be as comfortable as possible.
You want to give them as much space.
You don't want to interrupt.
You want them to feel good.
You want everybody to be having fun and be friendly.
And have them be the most relaxed so you can have an enjoyable conversation that you would digest if you're on a road trip or you're on a treadmill.
That's what I'm trying to do.
And the only way to do that is to make people comfortable.
And the only way to make people comfortable is to not distract them.
So when I do some people's podcasts and they have like literally a glass wall and there's a control room And you see people running back and forth, and they're holding up pieces of paper, and they're timing things, and there's five different people on the keyboards, and I don't know why they wanna do that.
I don't understand, like, obviously not everybody's Jamie, and one of the things about having a guy like Jamie It streamlines the process so well because Jamie does a job of three people, at least.
There should be three people doing what he does.
There should be one person that's Googling, one person that's switching the cameras, another person that's monitoring the sound levels and overseeing everything and making sure the lighting is good and everything's going smooth.
I'd always had this idea that I wanted to eventually get out of L.A. And as my youngest daughter started getting older, I was like, I do not want them growing up in this fucked up, materialistic, fame-driven, bizarro world of L.A. Because it's not conducive to becoming a healthy human being and developing discipline and being present and just having like...
A well-adjusted, well-balanced adult human being.
I'm like, this is a fucking mess over here.
Like, I see these people that are adults that are raising their kids.
These are grown-up babies raising babies.
I'm like, this is fucking madness.
I gotta get out of here.
And so when the pandemic hit, and then the riots were hitting, and then there was fucking zero police presence, and There were keeping all these businesses locked down and all these restaurants, these guys I knew that run restaurants, they were all going under.
The Comedy Store was fucked.
They weren't letting them host any shows.
There was no stand-up to be done.
And we came out here in May of 2020, and initially I was thinking, Maybe we'll get a vacation house and we can visit here and go.
And then my kids wanted to live here, like, right away.
Because when we were in L.A., everybody had a mask on and you couldn't go to a restaurant.
We came out here.
We're eating at a restaurant in May of 2020. And I remember my kids were like, I can't believe we can sit down in a restaurant.
We don't have to wear masks?
Like, they checked your forehead when you get in there, the temperature.
It was all nonsense.
Like, what's your temperature?
Make sure you're not...
And then you sit down and you eat.
And everybody was fine.
And then a few weeks later, they just let loose everything.
They're like, eh, no restrictions.
Go back to life.
And Gavin Newsom's like, everyone's gonna die.
What are you doing?
And they kept everything locked down forever.
Kept kids out of school forever.
So we came out here, and when we came out here, we started doing stand-up.
So I started doing stand-up with Dave Chappelle at Stubbs, which is an outdoor venue.
We did it very responsibly.
We tested the entire audience.
The audience had to get there an hour before the show.
Everybody got tested.
We really only wound up filtering a small handful of people out that tested positive for COVID over the course of, like, however many shows we did there.
And then we started doing shows indoors.
And when we started doing shows indoors, that's when I was realizing we really need a comedy club.
Like a real comedy club here.
Because comics from LA started moving to Austin before I even had a club.
Because they realized that I was doing shows here.
And that we could all do shows together.
So I'd be like, come down, do a couple shows.
So I'd fly them in.
They'd do the podcast.
They'd do a few shows at the club.
And they'd go, this is fucking amazing.
It's like, we're doing comedy again.
And then they started moving here.
And then the comedy store was shut down.
So because the comedy store was shut down, all of the best employees were unemployed.
So I contacted the talent manager.
I contacted the manager.
I contacted the bar manager.
I contacted all these people.
And I said, hey, I'm gonna open up a comedy club, but I want to hire you now.
And so I'm gonna pay you, you'll fly to Austin, I'll give you money to relocate, and then you'll get free money for like a year and a half.
You'll get paid a full salary.
Insurance, everything.
Just come here, and we're gonna build this club together.
And so everything aligned perfectly, so that when the club was open, we were dialed in, the people had already lived here, like Carrie, our bar manager, is amazing, and she literally recruited the best waitresses and bartenders, brought everybody in, we got up and running, and we were smooth within a week.
We would always hang out together and have drinks after a club.
She was just cool as shit.
And she was really disciplined, and she was really good at keeping creeps out of the comics bar and making sure that everybody wasn't being infringed on.
Because there was a comics bar at the Comedy Store.
And it's literally Mitzi's bar.
She has a bar from her home that is in the Comedy Store Comedians Bar.
And that was our place we'd go in between shows and after shows.
And we would all hang out there.
And it was just fun.
It was just laughs and this and that.
And I'm like...
That's gone now.
When we're in Austin, I'm like, I need to recreate that.
And I needed Kerry.
I needed Adam, who's a talent coordinator.
I needed all these different people that understood how to run a club and had been doing it at the highest level at the store.
And they were all available because they were unemployed.
So it was like everything was perfect.
Everything was perfect.
It was like all these doors just opened up and then bam!
And so when people say, how'd you put together this comedy club?
I'm like, I don't know if I could have done it any other way.
Because if I had to start from scratch and all these people were employed and they didn't want to move and LA was going great, I wouldn't be able to recruit them.
I wouldn't be able to say, hey, leave your whole life and all your friends and come to Texas.
So overseeing it all, is it kind of just like you have high-level people who take care of it and you can just focus on your comedy and the fun shit, essentially?
I mean, there's a few issues that I have to deal with.
There's some decisions that have to be made and there's problems that have arisen, but nothing major.
It's pretty manageable, but it's because the team is really good.
And if I didn't have good people, and also people that are legitimately my friends.
Like, if we never worked together again, I would still call them, we'd talk, we'd hang out.
They're all my friends.
So when we started working together, putting together this club, it was pretty easy.
It was like, again, it was like the universe set everything up.
Said, you know what the world needs is a new hub of comedy.
And I think you could do that.
So we're gonna like align all these things so you could do this thing that's completely separate from Hollywood.
Which was always the problem in California.
You would see these talented comics that would start watering down their material because they were starting to get television shows.
And so guys who were wild when they were younger, they would say hilarious, funny shit that was really risque.
They curbed that.
And they started becoming a little mediocre.
Just a little soft around the edges.
They nerfed all the hard parts of their act and...
Because they were connected to this machine, this fucking woke, bullshit, leftist machine that wants you to subscribe to a very predetermined pattern of ideas and notions.
And if you didn't, you were out.
And if you wanted to talk about Christianity or conservatives, you're gone.
They're not going to hire you.
They're going to hire another person.
You're not going to run The Daily Show if you're also running a right-wing website that uncovers political discrepancies in the Democratic Party.
I mean, if you go on The Tonight Show now, no one watches.
It's like...
It used to be...
When Johnny Carson was running The Tonight Show, if you were a comic and you got on The Tonight Show, you would be headlining clubs all across the country because 20 million people were watching.
And if you had a big splash with like a great routine and they'd go, hey, he's gonna be at the Charlotte Funny Bone tomorrow night and then people would go see you.
And it was the best way for comics to get discovered was The Tonight Show.
I mean, this guy I had on the other day, Ralph Barboza, very talented young comedian, just started putting some stuff out on TikTok, went from being a guy who was trying to get opening acts, like he was trying to middle for friends like my friend Brian Simpson, some other comics that were more established, to all of a sudden selling out five shows in a row on a weekend, and then doing theaters, and like that.
It went from struggling to killing it over the course of a couple of months.
There's guys that are really good at material and then something happens in the crowd and they fall apart.
You know, that's a crutch, too.
That's not good.
You don't want to be in that situation.
You want to be loose.
Or when something goes down, you can go, what?
What are you talking about, man?
And for the most part, one of the things that's really good at the club, we keep people from yelling out shit, and we keep people from interrupting.
The most important thing is the stand-up and the environment that the comics are Able to be comfortable in doing the material so it's the best show for everybody.
So if you get some loud person that just needs a lot of attention, they can distract from the show.
I've had guys yell things out and they completely interrupt a bit.
It's got a build point and they'll stop it right there and you can't really restart it.
So that bit's done now.
So you have to abandon it.
So you have to stop people from doing that and you got to kick them out.
I wonder how many people that are trying to come up create like Synthetically create crowd work situations tell their buddy like hey go to the show and yell at this fucking I'm sure I'm sure that's the case but the best guys don't need that like guys like Schultz he doesn't need that he doesn't do that he just he'll see some interesting couple and then he'll start talking to them and joking around he's super friendly and so it feels loose and they're enjoying everyone's smiling you know and he it's great
He also has a shitload of charisma, which also adds to that.
Because it's like everyone's enjoying it.
It's like a good time.
And he's really...
He's kind-spirited, so he's not mean while he's doing this.
And even if he says something mean, he says it in a way that you're laughing.
And then he's like, I mean, I don't mean anything bad by it.
It's like, you gotta like him.
But what the comics at The Mothership are doing that's so interesting is that there is two nights of open mic nights.
So people that are just fucking rank amateurs that have never been on stage have an opportunity to perform there.
And they get a couple of minutes.
And if you're good and you come back and the talent coordinator sees you and says, how much material have you got?
How long have you been doing it?
And then maybe you'll get on Kill Tony.
And Kill Tony is the cornerstone of the stand-up community.
Because Kill Tony is this wild YouTube show where you have one minute.
And you have one minute to perform in front of a live audience, they pull your name out of a bucket, and then they read it, and they go, you know, Tommy Jones, come on down, and Tommy Jones gets on stage.
And people have careers from that now.
Guys like Hans Kim and David Lucas and William Montgomery, they're headlining on the road, selling out weekends.
And it all came out of this show.
And one of the things about the show is, You only have one minute.
So you don't have any time to be virtue signaling or to get clapped or woke or talk about your trauma.
Shut the fuck up and be funny.
You have one minute.
So it teaches you economy of words.
You got to get to the point quickly.
You got to edit your jokes well so they're not rambling.
And you'll see people that don't know how to do that, too, which is also awesome about the show.
Because Tony and the guests will just destroy that person.
Yeah, you write your name down, it goes in the bucket, they pull your name out, and then you're on.
Yeah, and every now and then you get a banger.
Every now and then someone will come up and they fucking kill and the audience loves them.
You're like, holy shit, man.
There's a guy with cerebral palsy that does stand up through his phone.
So he has his phone connected to a speaker, a Bluetooth speaker, and he sets the microphone by the Bluetooth speaker and he has his phone with talk to text.
So he will type very quick, and he can only use one hand.
Like, his other hand's fucked.
So he's using his one hand and typing out a response, and then it'll play out through the phone.
The thing that's so weird about plastic surgery is it's like, objectively, you couldn't really tell why the skin looks old, but it just does, even though there's no wrinkles at all.
Some of the celebrity stories about why some injury or something that resulted in them getting a surgery to look the way they did, though, is obviously manufactured and totally fabricated.
Well, it says he had a potentially life-threatening illness, a form of typhoid or similar bacterial infection, while filming the adventure series Killing Zac Efron in Papua New Guinea.
It's like actual mass accumulated, not just body fat loss, and it's not like his...
He's gained muscle for the recent role, but his face, even when he's out of prep for body-type roles, he still has...
Looks the same.
So, yeah, like Kumail, obviously, he lost a shit ton of fat and gained muscle around his face, so there is some development there, but this is, like, next level stuff, dude.
At least I think so, and I think a lot of people think the same.
It's weird because it's like I've seen some young, very attractive girls get plastic surgery and they almost end up looking like an older woman trying to look young even though they were young to begin with and looked young.
Well, if there was something available for women, like there is for men, like, so men can take steroids and they can get jacked, and you can get a guy that is just, you know, a fucking pretty normal-looking physique, and within 24 months, he looks like a fucking superhero.
But when you think about if there was a thing like that for women, so you could take a woman who has a twiggy body, just kind of long and thin and not voluptuous, and they could all of a sudden take a steroid that turns them into Jennifer Lopez.
Yeah, but I think it's less well-known and educated about at scale among women, nor do they care to learn about it.
They know plastic surgery, they know stuff they see in magazines, they know the celebrities they follow, but guys, we follow bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry and whatnot, and it's a bit of a different exposure, I feel like, but...
It's actually hard to convince women that getting a muscular ass is better than injecting like fake synthetic fucking blubber.
Because not only that, Father Time's fucking you, and then you're fucking yourself by trying to compete with Father Time, and now you're becoming a monster.
I suspect that he, similar to them, is like a more modern version of that and was castrated in his youth to preserve the angelic kind of like singing voice.
Probably a lot of that stuff was he was emotionally stunted.
They say that your emotional age is often wrapped up in the age that you became famous.
So if you're a child star, you're kind of fucked for life.
I don't know anyone that's made it through unscathed.
Every childhood star I've ever sat down and talked to, everyone I've ever met in the real world, they're always fucked.
I've met a lot of really cool actors.
Like Scott Eastwood, if you were hanging out with Scott Eastwood, he's like a regular guy.
You would not know that he's a movie star.
Chris Pratt, completely normal.
I've been around that guy...
A couple dozen times.
I'm in Mick's company.
I've been in elk hunting camp with him.
He's super normal.
Just a cool guy.
There's people that are like that, that make it through fame, and they're still cool.
They're fun to be around.
Matthew McConaughey.
Great guy.
Great guy to be around.
I mean, you know, wise and says a lot of cool shit.
He's very interesting, but you can hang with him.
He's not a weirdo.
And he got famous pretty young, but he's smart and he navigated those waters and turned out to be a really exemplary man.
But there's a lot that don't, man.
There's a lot that they become famous at a young age and they're just famous.
Fucking broken forever.
The Corey Feldman's of the world and the, you know, fill in the blank.
There's so many versions of childhood stars that are just destroyed as adults.
It's like someone made concrete, but they didn't put all the water in.
And so the concrete's just brittle.
It just doesn't have structure to it.
They didn't go through the normal process.
Of being a young person trying to figure out your way in the world and making mistakes and learning and seeing other people make mistakes and having good things happening and realize, oh, that's because I put in the work and I did this and then you develop this process and then you mature over the learning experiences and you become a person.
You become a fully adult woman or a fully adult man.
You don't go through that if you're famous when you're young.
Interaction capacity with a average Joe kind of thing yes Some of them they they'll do podcasts and you can tell that they're in like PR mode And they're putting together it's almost like they have a routine that they're doing yeah You know and with actors you never even know if it's Acting the whole fucking time anyway, right?
Yeah, I definitely think a lot of, now obviously this is just totally unfounded advice from a random guy, but a lot of these celebrities become so much more humanized when they do the podcast that they've been invited on, that it seems worthwhile to do once in a while, because it's like certain guys, they'll have like a weird mystique around them, and they have rumors that circulate and go fucking wild, like, I don't know, like Tom Cruise, for example.
Well, I know he did that Matt Lauer interview on the Today Show and it was a giant problem because he was telling Matt Lauer that you don't need psychiatric medicine and that, you know, that antidepressants are terrible for you.
And he was talking about Brooke Shields and You know, and then Matt Lauer was arguing about it and he seemed like a fucking complete kook.
It's pretty kooky, but at the end of it, they salute L. Ron Hubbard, and they say, to L.R.H., and they all point to his fucking photograph, and they salute it, which is one of my favorite.
Was not just a writer, not just a writer of fiction, but the single man who wrote the most fiction in human history.
He has the most published words of any human that has ever lived.
And if you ever read his stuff, this motherfucker never made a second draft in his life.
They are terrible books.
Terrible stories.
It's like the dumbest science fiction that you have ever read.
Like some person with a mental illness is just rambling and writing all this stuff down.
I think he initially wrote for those pulp magazines, like science fiction magazines back in the day, and then wound up writing Dianetics.
Lawrence Wright covered him and the whole movement pretty extensively in Going Clear.
I read the book, and there was an HBO documentary series on Going Clear, all about Scientology.
And, you know, a lot of it was like people that were former members of Scientology, like Leah Remini, that, you know, at a certain point in time, they were like, what the fuck am I doing?
Like, what is this?
And, like, especially when you get to the highest levels of knowledge, and then they allow you to go and read these scrolls that are just, like, so obviously crazy.
Like, the Thetans came down, and they're frozen souls, and they threw them in a volcano, and, you know, you're a container for this, like...
October 1984, an American judge issued a ruling, writing of Hubbard, that the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background, and achievements.
In private affirmations, Hubbard wrote to himself, you can tell all the romantic tales you wish.
You know which ones were lies.
You are gallant and dashing and need to tell no lies at all.
You have enough real experiences to make anecdotes forever.
Stick to your true adventures.
Or, if you wish, as you will, tell adventures which happen to others.
Back then, there was a galactic federation of planets, which was ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu.
Xenu thought his galaxy was overpopulated, and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets, and then had those aliens frozen.
This is actually what Scientologists believe.
Xenu didn't want their souls to return, and so he built giant soul-catchers in the sky.
The souls were taken to a huge soul-brainwashing facility, which Xenu had also built on Earth.
There, the souls were forced to watch days of brainwashing material, which tricked them into believing a false reality.
Xenu then released the alien souls, which roamed the Earth aimlessly in a fog of confusion.
At the dawn of man, the souls finally found bodies which they could grab onto.
They attached themselves to all mankind, which still to this day causes all our fears, our confusions, and our problems.
L. Ron Hubbard did an amazing thing telling the world this incredible truth.
Now all we're asking you to do is pick up where he left off But I don't know any of this stuff Neither did Elrond when he started he said he just closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind You can do the same just let it flow Okay, I'll try I just wish I could write my room but Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet I know we've sent Nicole Kidman up there to see if she can hear it *laughs* So that's the thing that they found out when they reached the highest levels of knowledge.
And they're so important because they're one of the few people out there that's willing to, in this day and age where you can't even make comedy movies anymore, there's so few comedy movies being made that you're never going to see a Tropic Thunder today.
Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies nowadays, but I can't recall the last time I've seen something that was worth mentioning in comedy for a movie, personally.
I went to Hawaii for the first time a couple weeks ago, and I saw the license plates, and that was the thing it reminded me of was the McLovin's fake idea.
I'm not fully in the know about updates on it, but my understanding is basically an organization that is trying to stand up against the proposed corruption that is in the IOC and the Olympic system.
Basically, you have these top-tier athletes who prepare their whole lives to compete at these events, and they get paid essentially fucking nothing, even though they're the best athlete in whatever category they're competing in.
And they'll be, like, essentially robbed and have less monetization capacity than the entire event that basically oversees and has, like, a monopoly on it.
And, you know, it's still highly sought after to compete in it, so people do it anyways to represent their country.
It's all a big pride thing.
We've talked about the people who said they would take years off their life to win a gold.
That's still very much a thing but it's like we've also seen massive corruption among you know the testing organization certain countries getting around like the Sochi Olympics for example Icarus great documentary to watch about that.
We're basically certain countries are depending on how risky they want to be or how.
you know, in depth, they want to get with their, you know, doping regimens, essentially get around the system, and there's protections in place, depending on which country they're in, and ways they basically finagled where the Olympics are seen as a corrupt organization to many people.
And they will, I don't know, selectively scrutinize certain people and athletes and whatnot.
And it's created this weird dynamic where, you know, you can't perform to the greatest capacity that you could, because you have to remain within their narrow confines of what's allowed and what's not allowed.
And then also, that could be at the detriment even of your recovery capacity.
Like, there's a lot of compounds that you should be able to use even for recovering from injuries that are on the water ban substance list that make no sense to be on there.
Like, even recently, BPC 157 was added, which is fucking crazy when it's like essentially bioidentical.
Um, But yeah, it's like this organization, the Enhanced Games, is essentially encouraging anyone who wants to compete at the highest level and use whatever they want and go sauce to the gills in their respective event to show up here and show what can be done with modern technology, performance enhancement to the max.
So it's like whenever we talk about Oh, this guy popped for whatever.
And then, you know, a lot of us will say, I don't give a fuck if they take shit.
I would just want to see what the highest level of performance could be.
Let them do what they want kind of thing.
This is that.
With doctor oversight, apparently, from high-level individuals.
And they tout that it's going to be as safe as it could be within the confines of, you know, pushing yourself to the limit, essentially.
So, it's basically like the anti-Olympics Olympics, and they're going to hold their first event, I've heard, at the same time as the Olympics, to basically cannibalize the watch time, and also show that people who are in their organization can beat the records of the Olympics, and they have cash bonuses available for people who beat world records and things of this nature to make sure...
Yeah, so they want people to actually make, they want the athletes to have actual money-earning potential that makes it worthwhile to compete as well, whereas the Olympics, you're kind of stuck within narrow confines of what you can monetize versus not.
But yeah, it'd be worth maybe going to their site for a better summary.
But essentially, it's like sauce to the gills Olympics versus, and they want to compete with the actual Olympics and have no testing, do whatever you want, but oversight from, you know, high-level doctors to keep you as safe as possible.
Because oftentimes in the Olympics...
People will argue, you know, the safety capacity of it, but it's like in the Olympics, a lot of times people are using drugs that are considered inferior from a safety profile simply so they can circumvent the testing.
So they'll end up using like Frankenstein drugs that are worse for you and are super liver toxic or terrible for your brain or what have you just to be able to use something that gives you a little bit of an edge in one vector.
Whereas here, you could use actual, you know, testosterone, however much you need or want, erythropeutin within the confines of whatever is safe for you.
You know, obviously there's risk for sure still, but it's, you know, a very interesting pivot that a lot of people have eyes on.
Yeah, like there's ways, again though, when you have, you know, no holds barred access to ancillary medications and doctor oversight, like there's ways to sustain.
Like we know now that you can sustain fertility on hormones.
So it's just something like, for example, when I first started taking gear, when I was, you know, like over 10 years ago at this point, no one was talking about how you could take HCG concurrently with your exogenous anabolics to sustain testicular volume.
And we were just told, if you want to get fertile again, at the time when you want to have a kid, just start taking the fertility drugs and then you'll be good.
Little did we know it's actually fairly important to sustain that testicular mass as you're exposing yourself to the drugs to actually smooth your transition to recovery.
Because it's like if the organ is literally atrophying, trying to expect the same recovery capacity of like a shrunken, atrophied, shriveled testicle versus something that's been the same size and function the entirety of your anabolic exposure, it's like night and day different.
There's new education around a lot of this stuff that you would ideally be getting if you were one of the guys competing, but...
Obviously, it's nuanced and up for interpretation.
No one, I don't think, would ever be a proponent of it being safe.
I wouldn't say it is at all.
Obviously, you're still putting your cardiovascular system at risk, brain, and yeah, your fertility could be impacted if you're not very careful about how you manage it and manipulate stuff.
There's going to be a diminishing return, and obviously when it's no holds barred, people are going to push it.
But my understanding is...
You know, the guy who runs it would speak better to it than me.
It might be worth connecting with him, but I think the doctors are going to oversee, and I don't know if they're going to put limits on what biomarkers can get to before they determine, like, okay, you're in unsafe territory, like, tone it back.
With Usain Bolt, too, it's like, of all the people who have broken 100-meter dash records, he's the only one who supposedly is natural, and he has the best record of...
All of them?
Like, I suppose it's in some alien genetic scenario, it's possible, but it's like, you know, what's the likelihood of he wasn't also, you know?
Well, UFC went through one of the starkest contrasts when they brought aboard USADA, and you got to see people's physiques melt.
Like, literally melt.
You got to see their shoulders shrink, and Vitor Belfort's the greatest example of it.
Because Vitor, when they used to have a testosterone use exemption, which you would allow fighters to be on testosterone use therapy, but you're also self-administering.
I guess it depends how they document the positive test results, too.
Because it's like, back in the day...
Depending on the organization, sometimes they'll publish exactly what the person popped for, what happened, what, you know, scrutiny is happening to them in the moment, how it's being further reviewed.
And it was like, you know, very negative press even before they've actually confirmed and proved this guy cheated necessarily.
And then USADA kind of took this different angle where they would kind of be a little bit more vague about it.
And then they would get some scrutiny about if they're covering up for certain people.
But at the same time, they were like, you know, getting scrutiny for being hyper stringent where they'd like show up to guys places in the middle of the fucking night when they're trying to sleep.
Yeah.
And it's a very as far as the new organization, their level of scrutiny and how it's going to play out and how, I don't know, private they're going to keep the results.
It's to be determined.
But if they're following the same WADA banned substance list with the same kind of protocols, I imagine it's going to be similar, but with, from what I understand, more scrutinous testing on some of the endogenous bioidenticals.
So like EPO, I think Nowitzki said they're going to up their frequency of testing.
Because, you know, some of this stuff at the end of the day, there's only so much budget to allocate to where it's still a viable economic thing.
So it's like, are you going to EPO test like every fucking sample of every single athlete however many times a year?
Like some people are tested like, I don't know, I forgot what Yuri was tested.
It was like some insane amount of times per year.
Are you going to EPO test, HGH isoform test, carbon isotope ratio test?
Are you going to do that on every sample he's ever produced?
Probably not.
So you've got to have some reproducible, economically viable strategy.
It's really weird how they justify certain compounds that can be in and out of testing, because it's like, you could abuse the fucking of amphetamines out of competition, but then you can't use BPC. Like, how does that make any sense?
And then the question is going to be like, what kind of testing protocol are they going to use?
Is it going to be random?
You know, is it going to be something you can game?
Like, you know, I know, who was the athlete that was taking those testosterone gummies and they were in and out of your system in a short period of time?
As of now, and I stay pretty on top of the literature, it's still very, you can still circumvent the tests even with highest scrutiny.
So, you know, with things like test, EPO, I've seen upwards of 50% of subjects and studies getting around tests trying to find if they're doping.
Like, knowing that they're using guys in the study as subjects of, you're getting micro-dosed EPO and we're going to test you for it.
Rigorously and still passing even when they're trying to catch them, you know via the study parameters So I think a lot of people are gonna be doing the same shit.
They've been doing I think the scrutiny is gonna be similar probably but perhaps more Like at least Novitski's framing it like there's more budget being allocated to some of the more rigorous tests, but I don't know I imagine it'll be similar But I've also heard that this organization also works with the NBA and some other Pro sports, which are traditionally seen as pretty lax in contrast.
But one of the things that he said about the Dustin Poirier fight, the first one, the second fight, but the first one and the most recent ones where he got knocked out...
It's like I was inactive.
It caught up to me.
I could feel it.
I could feel it while I was in there.
My timing wasn't as good.
You need to be active to be at the highest levels of world-class mixed martial arts competition.
I just don't see how you can take two years off, multiple surgeries, get on juice, get off juice, and then jump in there against the best in the world.
Maybe he can do it, but if I was his coach and the option was available, I'd say let's get someone who's not even in the top 15. Let's get some guy who is beatable but a good test.
We'll call it a tune-up fight.
We get to see how you perform.
This guy gets an opportunity to beat Conor McGregor.
You get an opportunity to test your skills again and feel the lights and feel the pressure.
But then the thing is, like, here's a good question.
If you give someone an exemption, you let them get out of the pool, and they're taking some hardcore steroids to heal their shin break, how much gain do you maintain from that improvement in your performance?
No, I think a lot of it is also indirect through the time in the gym and skill acquisition, because a lot of people overlook the recovery capacity enhancing component.
So it's like if you're able to...
It's not just about how much muscle you've gained and objective measurements of, oh, your bench press went up by X amount.
It's also...
how many more hours were you able to train relative to your competition because of this and that's that many more hours working on x skill this skill that doing your endurance whatever you're able to do more things and have more bandwidth allocated to your you know skill uh i don't know sustaining or you know development so as far as the studies go for retention of what's called myonuclei like how much you can actually bank up from steroid use
it doesn't seem to be something that's going to sustain for i don't know in perpetuity like we once thought it's kind of finicky if that's actually something that happens or not like a lot of people will still shrink back down when they come off but He's competing pretty soon after being like what appeared to be pretty fucking full board.
Like the guy was essentially unrecognizable compared to traditional, you know, Conor.
So that's like, you know, three to three and a half times what a traditional TRT dose would be.
That would gain you, you know, a significant amount of lean mass and strength, and you would probably sustain that for, again, as the hormones work its way out of your system, even as they're residually leaving, you still have that bleed of hormone that's sustaining even during your training.
Subjecting yourself to, you know, even if you had poor sleep, heavy weight cutting, like you still have synthetic drug that is bleeding out of your system and holding at least non-fluctuating values other than the bleed-out time.
Yeah, I think that within the span of competing within a year, you're going to retain—it would take—depending on how fast the compound would work its way to your system depends on the ester chosen.
I'm sure you're familiar with your testosterone.
It's probably a testosterone cipionate, for example.
So that determines how long it will hold—take to metabolize out of your body.
So that one has close to a 10-day half-life.
So that would take 50 days, essentially, to clear out of your system.
So for him, if you cleared out something that took 50 days to get out, you would still have residual benefit for months thereafter, for sure.
And whether it's going to be 100% or 0%, I would speculate to be somewhere in the middle, you know?
Interesting.
You're going to lose a lot of the temporary weight fairly rapidly, though.
Like, a lot of that blood volume, water retention will dissipate within the first number of weeks, and then after that, you're kind of...
Whatever tissue you've accumulated will slowly go over the next months, which you'd probably retain, I don't know, I would say half by the time he...
Yeah, I think the stigma around it is largely media hype and like taboo discussion of like all this thing is not you know Europe It's like frowned upon if you're using it, but platforms that are Educational and provide insight into the realities of the pros and cons,
I think, are becoming more widespread and viewed, and the exposure is getting out there to actually bring to light the validity of certain use cases.
So, like, with a BPC-157, the only thing you'll hear from, you know, WADA is how it's banned, and it's performance enhancing.
But then you'll hear guys like us, who we talk about, hey, this is...
Literally, essentially a bioidentical compound that you produce naturally in the gut.
So it's not like some synthetic, you know, pharma sketch drug.
In addition, it's pretty well tolerated given the anecdotes we have.
There's not like human literature, but very impactful on recovery.
And it's, you know, we know tons of people who've used it with great success.
And then, you know, that's one of the most important things, I think, about your show and about a lot of shows like that is that you don't tiptoe around these things.
You're just completely open and honest about them.
And that encourages other people to do the same.
And then you're also really well read on these things.
So these discussions get had in a form.
And then when you're talking to guys like Huberman or Peter Attia, you're talking to these, you know, legitimate scientists that can back up this and explain what the pathways and the mechanisms behind all these things are.
So it gives people, I think right now, we have a much more balanced understanding of what these things are and what the benefits are.
And I hope more people continue to seek education.
And it's great to see, like, the more mainstream adoption from guys like Huberman and Atiyah, because, you know, it's also a big hurdle for traditional scientists to go against the mainstream narrative and kind of accept that there could be validity to a compound that's seen as, you know, for research purposes or things of that nature.
Or, you know, it's illegal in the US, so it must be bad.
It's like, well, maybe look at both sides of the equation.