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Joe Rogan Experience #2018 - Post Malone
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
02:16:02
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post malone
01:58:53
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colter wall
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joe rogan
What's happening, my buddy?
post malone
I'm hanging out.
joe rogan
Dude, you look fucking great.
I told you that when I saw you, but I want to tell you on air.
You look fucking great, man.
You said you lost 60?
post malone
Like 60. I was like 240. Now I'm like 185. That's amazing.
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
And you did it just by cutting out soda.
post malone
Yeah, I don't drink.
joe rogan
A lot of shows.
post malone
Yeah, like shows, soda.
Soda's so bad.
joe rogan
It's so bad.
post malone
It's so bad.
But it's so good.
I'll have a soda.
I'm a bad boy.
And I have a monster energy.
But Celsius is so good, too.
Have you had one of those?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have.
They're good.
post malone
It's so good.
joe rogan
The key to those things is just every now and then.
That's the thing.
You know, every now and then you reward yourself with a Coca-Cola.
You're like, ah, this is nice.
post malone
On these hot Texas days, I've been here.
We did Dallas.
Two days yesterday, back to back.
Yesterday and the night before.
joe rogan
I'm coming to see you tomorrow night.
post malone
Let's go.
joe rogan
I'm coming to Houston.
post malone
Let's go.
joe rogan
Let's go.
post malone
Did you buy tickets?
colter wall
Yeah.
post malone
Aw, Joe, you didn't have to do that.
Because if you said we hooked you up, I'd be like, what the hell?
unidentified
I didn't know.
post malone
But since you said you bought, thank you so much for coming, Joe Rogan.
unidentified
My pleasure.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
I'm excited.
post malone
Me too, man.
I'm excited, man.
But yeah, especially out in this heat, dude.
Just like...
You know what?
I had a great show.
You know what?
I'm feeling a little bit naughty.
I'm going to have myself coke on ice.
colter wall
Yeah.
post malone
So good.
joe rogan
Reward yourself.
The problem is when people do it all day, every day.
Yeah.
Your body doesn't know what to do with that kind of sugar because it's so unnatural.
Your body never gets sugar like that in the wild.
You get sugar in fruit.
When you have a glass of sugar water, it's just pouring right into your bloodstream.
Your body's like, what the fuck is this?
post malone
I like guarana.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's good stuff.
post malone
That is crazy stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
It's naturally caffeinated or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, the berries.
post malone
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's acai.
That's the same thing as when you get an acai bowl.
That's guarana.
That's the berries.
post malone
Man, I remember going to Brazil the first time.
And I was like, oh, this soda's so good.
And also, I was like bouncing off the wall fucking like, I'm like, oh my god, dude, I feel crazy right now.
unidentified
It's delicious, though.
It's so good.
joe rogan
What is that called?
Guarana?
What is the name of that soda?
post malone
I think that's what it's called by Antarctica.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
post malone
I think it's an Antarctica brand.
Not from Antarctica.
joe rogan
Super legit.
They know how to eat over there, too.
post malone
In Antarctica?
joe rogan
No, in Brazil.
Yeah, Guana Antarctica.
Yeah, there it is.
That stuff's the shit.
post malone
Dude, and they give you a beer.
You go down to the beach, and they give you a beer in this rock that's ice cold.
Well, I don't know if it's a rock, but whatever it is.
joe rogan
Ceramic?
post malone
I don't know, but it's really cold.
And the beer is the coldest beer I've ever had, and it was so good.
unidentified
On the beach.
post malone
It was so good.
joe rogan
They don't have a party down there on the beach in Brazil.
post malone
It's so fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's great.
Great country.
post malone
We're going down there for tour.
joe rogan
Nice.
post malone
So we got a lot of tours.
So we're doing this U.S. tour.
Then we're doing seven days off.
Then we go to South America, I think.
So I'm excited.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Have you performed in South America before?
post malone
Yes, sir.
Rock in Rio and stuff.
It's so much fun, man.
They love music.
It's so much fun.
There's not an ounce of hate in the whole crowd.
Everybody's just having such a great time.
And that makes me...
More excited, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
Because, like, you know, sometimes I'll go do these shows, like, a lot of, like, more corporate shows where I'm just like, hey, do you guys even really like me or know who I am?
But it's like everybody there is just having so much fun.
joe rogan
Right.
The corporate ones are weird, right?
post malone
It's so—I have fun, but a lot of the time it's like you can't read the crowd because everybody's, you know— I feel like more like a jazz band or like a lounge band at a restaurant or something, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
Which is weird.
post malone
It's weird!
joe rogan
It's weird that they want to pay that much money to have someone come and then it's just that you're a big name and it's like, look, we got Post Malone, but, you know, I'm over here talking to somebody, not paying attention.
post malone
And yeah, I don't know.
You know, people who pay to come to the show...
I'm like, okay, you guys paid.
You guys at least know who I am for sure.
But yeah, I'm not sure.
I can't read the crowd.
joe rogan
I went to my friend Dana White and he had a birthday party when he was 40 and they hired Stone Temple pilots.
post malone
Sick.
joe rogan
It was sick.
Sick.
First of all, those motherfuckers performed like there was 80,000 people there.
And it was one of those things where we had to get people to stop and pay attention.
Guys, fucking Stone Temple Pilots is here.
post malone
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
They went hard.
I mean, they did a, like, full energy show.
It was very impressive.
It was, like, very inspirational.
It's like, wow, these guys are at a birthday party.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're giving them fucking Stone Temple Pilots.
post malone
Yeah, that's badass.
joe rogan
It was badass.
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
post malone
I don't know if I could, like, you just hear fucking Interstate, what, Interstate Love Song?
And you're like, how do you talk?
How do you not just like...
unidentified
Right.
post malone
How are you like, what the...
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, just, you know, hobnobbing.
That's the thing.
post malone
Hobnobbing.
joe rogan
And you go to those things and everybody's already hobnobbing.
So people are like social networking and there's people with motives and they're trying to be more friendly with the guy at the top and this kind of shit.
And then all of a sudden...
Yeah.
But they fucking went hard.
They went hard like they had the best fans in the world, and there was like 80,000 of them.
It was a fucking amazing show.
It was so impressive, man.
It was so impressive.
post malone
Another band with Stone, Queens of the Stone Age.
Oh, those guys are great.
I want to see them.
joe rogan
I have not seen them live, but I had Josh on the show.
post malone
How was he?
joe rogan
Very cool guy.
We had a good friend in Bourdain.
He was good friends with Bourdain, too.
He's a fucking interesting dude, though.
Very interesting dude, and their music is fucking...
post malone
It's so smart.
joe rogan
It's so interesting.
post malone
Yeah, it's so smart.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so distinctive.
Like, their music is so distinctive.
Like, you hear a song, it sounds like them.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
post malone
He's got a voice, man.
And he can write a hell of a song.
joe rogan
Hell of a song.
post malone
Yeah, it's just, I don't know.
Like, some of the stuff they do, I'm like, how do you even think of that?
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
There's so many artists like that, but I'm like, in that setting, and then...
That first record with Dave, like, just banging on.
Dude, oh my god.
It's so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so good.
Well, we're at an amazing time for art, for both music and a lot of other things, too.
There's just so much good shit out there now.
post malone
That's true.
But I figured, you know, that the way things are moving, I got like four or five months before people like the robot songs more than my songs.
joe rogan
I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
unidentified
I hear some of them, and I'm like, aw man, that's so good, dude!
post malone
Who wrote that?
unidentified
That's a great song.
joe rogan
It is a great song, but people will know.
People will know.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, there's women that do not want diamonds that were made in a lab.
post malone
Sure.
unidentified
Which is crazy, because it's just a diamond.
joe rogan
Like, they have an ability now to man-make diamonds.
They have some crazy machine and they compress carbon and they can make diamonds.
But women only like them if they're coming out of the ground.
post malone
Well, I know how to make gold.
unidentified
Really?
post malone
Yeah.
I can turn anything into gold.
I watched a video on it.
You watch YouTube?
joe rogan
Alchemy?
post malone
Yeah, I was watching a little alchemy video.
So all you need to do is ferment your piss for like a year or so, and then you're good.
And then eat it.
Then eat it, by the way.
joe rogan
You gotta eat your piss?
That's how you make gold?
post malone
Yeah, I think so.
That's what they were saying.
joe rogan
People used to try to make gold.
They used to try to figure out a way to make gold.
post malone
Isaac Newton.
joe rogan
Did he really?
post malone
Yeah, he was super into alchemy.
Like, one of the smartest dudes ever.
joe rogan
Well, if you could figure out...
I mean, I guess back then they probably thought...
I wonder if you can.
I wonder if there is some way to do it with a certain amount of energy that we don't currently possess, where you can take other metals and turn them into different metals.
post malone
I mean, diamonds.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a pressure thing.
post malone
Spray paint?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
You can make anything gold, really.
I love gold!
joe rogan
Fool's gold.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have a friend who lives up in Alaska, and he owns a gold mine.
Have you ever seen the Boneyard Instagram page?
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
It's insane.
He's got this area in Alaska that apparently there was a mass die-off there that probably had something to do with a comet impact, somewhere around the Younger Dryas period, and there's Tons of woolly mammoth bones there.
He has warehouses filled with them, and it's all his land, and he's a gold miner.
So it's like, and he's wealthy, and he doesn't give a fuck.
This guy Johnny comes on here smoking cigarettes, telling the story of his life, and he's got warehouses full of priceless stone bones, these fucking ancient Like cave bear heads and step bisons.
post malone
That's a junk drawer.
joe rogan
This is the most valuable shit in the world.
That's crazy.
He's got warehouses filled with it.
post malone
Was that an ariok?
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck that is.
post malone
It's like a horn stem.
joe rogan
He's got teeth and horns and they found certain cats.
post malone
What is that?
joe rogan
They don't know what that is yet.
They found that.
It's mummified.
It's a tiny little mummified creature.
post malone
Oh, that's one of them Alaskan chupacabras.
unidentified
Yeah, they have to get that examined.
joe rogan
He has so much shit.
I mean, he's kind of an expert on it now, but he kind of has to bring people in to tell them, hey, what the fuck is this?
post malone
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
They just hose the side of this cliff.
They just hose down the permafrost, and then bones start poking up.
And then they go in further, and they've just been doing this for years now.
It's insane.
post malone
That's so cool.
joe rogan
It's fucking cool.
post malone
You never know what you're going to get.
They find dinosaurs and stuff over there?
joe rogan
They haven't found dinosaurs.
It's all stuff from like 12,000 to 60,000.
No, a woolly mammoth is an ancient elephant.
post malone
Right.
So how long did they exist for?
Did they hang out with dinosaurs?
unidentified
No.
post malone
Okay, so they were never hanging out with dinos.
You never saw like a T-Rex or a Spinosaurus and a Wooly Mammoth hanging out.
joe rogan
I'd like to go to that party though.
I think the T-Rex would have ate them all.
You know what I just found out?
This is fucking crazy.
Sharks are older than trees.
Sharks have existed before trees existed.
post malone
I get what...
joe rogan
Like 50 million years before trees, there were sharks.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
post malone
So, I mean, I don't know.
Maybe it makes sense since...
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
Here it goes.
So, trees...
unidentified
It's so weird to just talk about trees as like, did you hear sharks was older than trees?
post malone
Like they're two people?
joe rogan
So, trees as we familiarly know them.
A primary trunk, large height, and a crown of leaves and fronds.
Didn't appear on the planet until the Devonian period, some 360 million years ago.
You might be surprised to learn that sharks are older than trees.
They've been around for at least 400 million years.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking bonkers.
post malone
So, I mean, did life come from the water?
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely.
post malone
So, I mean, it kind of makes sense, I guess.
But imagine just, like, what shark went up onto the land and became a tree?
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I don't think it worked that way.
post malone
Well, I don't know how it worked.
I wasn't there.
But there must have been, like, some kind of amoeba or life form that...
Slid up onto land and was like, I'm gonna be...
joe rogan
I'm gonna be a plant.
post malone
I'm gonna be a tree.
And then another guy's like, you can fucking be a tree.
I'm being this fucking massive aquatic creature that can just bite anything in half.
joe rogan
What's bizarre is when you think of the variety, just the sheer variety of life forms that exist on this planet.
Both plants and animals and mushrooms, which breathe air.
Mushrooms breathe air like we do.
post malone
That's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't do the photosynthesis thing.
post malone
Well, now I feel bad.
joe rogan
They don't...
Well, don't.
post malone
I just ate.
joe rogan
I think they want you to.
I have a theory.
He does.
They're trying to get in there.
post malone
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
post malone
You should do an experiment and have a mushroom.
You know how they do, like, how trees go towards the light?
They end up growing more towards where there's the most light?
If, like, the shroom grows towards a human.
Like, eat me.
joe rogan
I don't think they grow towards humans, but one of the...
Have you ever heard of the stoned ape theory?
No, sir.
The stoned ape theory is there's this guy who's this...
He's an ethnobotanist and like a psychedelic guru.
His name is Terence McKenna.
And Terence McKenna had this theory, and it coincides with...
There's a lot of interesting things about it, but it's about the doubling of the human brain size.
Apparently, the doubling of the human brain size is the biggest mystery in the entire fossil record.
Because it happened fairly quickly.
It happened over a period of like two million years.
post malone
I missed that boat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't think you did, dude.
I don't think you did.
You're smart as fuck.
unidentified
Shut the fuck up.
post malone
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
joe rogan
But this time period was when lower...
So what happened was that the climate changed and the rainforest receded into grasslands.
And so a lot of these hominids came out of the trees and they started experimenting with different food sources.
Oh, there's like a whole video about it.
So these mushrooms grew on cow shit.
So they've observed all these different primates flipping over cow patties and eating beetles and grubs on them.
And they would probably experiment with the mushrooms that grow on them.
And his thought was that mushrooms in low doses increase visual acuity, so it makes you a better hunter.
It emphasizes a sense of community, so it would make you have better tribal interactions.
That would benefit.
It makes people horny.
That would benefit breeding.
And then there's also, like, his brother Dennis McKenna, he explained it to me, but I'll fuck it up if I try to recall it.
But it's essentially that some of the elements that how psilocybin interacts with your mind, it helps the facilitation of language.
And he thinks that all those things coincided with climate change.
So as these rainforests receded, these lower hominids came out, tried mushrooms, started eating them and kept eating them for millions of years.
And that was a part of the diet.
And as they did this and as they understood what to get and what to eat, they looked for it and they ate it all the time.
And it probably gave them a lot of ideas for how to make tools.
It probably gave them ideas like how to harness fire.
And he thinks it's the source of human evolution.
post malone
Shroomies.
joe rogan
Shrooms.
post malone
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing.
post malone
I believe it.
joe rogan
And they're illegal, which is hilarious.
Are they?
unidentified
Imagine that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't really leave the house.
Yeah.
They grow whether you like them or not.
post malone
Not that I have them there.
joe rogan
My buddy Duncan lived in Asheville, North Carolina, and they had so many shrooms that were growing on cow shit that they started giving the cows a certain kind of feed to discourage the fungus growth.
They put chemicals in their feed to kill the fucking fungus, the most natural thing.
post malone
Can you get in trouble?
Say you have a bunch of cattle, right?
Can you get in trouble and then someone from the DEA shows up and starts flipping over your patties?
joe rogan
It would be a hard thing.
I mean, they'd have to really be going after you because obviously that shit just grows naturally.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
And it's not like, you don't have to do anything.
They're everywhere.
They're everywhere.
Like Duncan said, it's like there's – because the way mushrooms work is there's spores, right?
But then there's the most of the – what you see that pops out of the ground is like the fruit of the actual mushroom.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The real mushroom is underground.
The real mushroom is the mycelium, the spore, all the stuff that connects all of the vegetable life – all the vegetation life form together.
unidentified
Sure.
post malone
Does that have psilocybin?
Some of it does.
joe rogan
I think just the fruiting bodies probably do.
Just the ones that come out of the earth are probably the ones.
I don't know though.
I don't know that.
post malone
I wonder if there's like worms down there getting high as fuck.
unidentified
They're probably connecting.
joe rogan
They're probably connecting in some very weird way.
post malone
They get to the roots and just take like a big...
And then they're like, oh my fucking god.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
I'm so high right now.
joe rogan
Just absorbing it.
Absorbing it through the soil.
They're just absorbing it.
post malone
Oh, the sea?
That's good.
unidentified
Maybe...
post malone
Ooh, imagine it's all just in there and then you get some shroom corn.
So you can just eat like an ear of corn and get super fucking rocked.
joe rogan
Well, you know, they used to accidentally get high because they would get ergot would poison their wheat and their barley.
So it's like a certain fungus that grows on wheat and it gives you an LSD like effect.
And they think that that might have been the source of the Salem witch trials.
post malone
Wow!
joe rogan
Because at the time where this was taking place, they had apparently had a late frost, or an early frost, rather.
And apparently when they have an early frost, it makes these plants more subject to ergot poisoning.
And then they did some samples, some soil samples, and they did find ergot.
I think they might have even, like, tested some things and found ergot in them.
So what they think was happening was these people were getting bad wheat that had ergot poisoning.
And so a lot of them would die.
Because, like, there was a big one, a big breakout of ergot poisoning in France a few years back.
Not a few years back, quite a while back.
But it was the same kind of thing.
Like, a bunch of people died from ergot.
And other people were just tripping balls.
post malone
I was going to make an ergot joke, but I was going to say, didn't Hugh Jackman win an ergot?
Does he have an EGOT, though?
Sorry to go off topic.
What is an EGOT? It's like an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony, I think is what it is.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is, right.
Yeah, he's probably got all those, right?
post malone
He's so talented.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy can do everything.
jamie vernon
He's missing an Oscar for that guy.
post malone
Aw, come on, Hugh.
joe rogan
How does he not have an Oscar for Wolverine?
post malone
I know, what the fuck?
joe rogan
What are they, communist?
What the fuck's going on?
That guy's awesome.
post malone
He's amazing.
He was jacked, man.
joe rogan
He got jacked for Wolverine.
He got fucking jacked.
post malone
He's amazing.
He does it all?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
He's like, Will Smith can do everything.
It's so cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's people out there like Jamie Foxx.
He can do anything.
post malone
Anything.
joe rogan
Anything.
post malone
Bieber can do anything.
joe rogan
Anything.
post malone
It's crazy.
I'm like, that's like...
Just much like the...
Double brain size thing.
I miss the boat on those jeans.
joe rogan
But you didn't miss it for making music.
It's like your brain is designed specifically for what you do.
It's what's beautiful.
It's like you found the thing that your brain works perfectly for.
Everybody's brains differ, man.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
post malone
Autotune really unlocked a whole lot of opportunity for me.
So thank you, Antares, our inventor of said...
unidentified
Program.
joe rogan
Don't you think that as ChatGPT can make Post Malone songs, people are still gonna want to know it came from you?
That's gonna be more valuable to people.
There's people that love your songs just because they sound good.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
But there's also people that love your songs because they come from you.
post malone
Yes, sir.
I understand that.
I guess the thing that I'm concerned is Pretty soon, you can still tell if it's an AI song, right?
Now.
But the way that it's moving, like, I don't know, my buddy, Lou, Louis Bell, he produces a bunch of my stuff and we write together and he's the most talented, smart dude ever.
But he taught me about epochs and how many epochs a better AI template is.
And pretty soon, dude, it's going to be really, really good.
It's just going so fast.
So I don't know.
Yeah, but then they'll just do a video and be like, guys, I made this song.
It's so emotional.
This really comes from my heart.
But it's just a robot talking.
I don't know.
Not a robot.
More like a deepfake or something.
Like, guys, I wrote this song crazy, and it's just an AI song, and I'm like, well, fuck, that's better than anything I could have ever made.
So, I don't know.
joe rogan
It's not gonna be better.
It's not.
I think there's a thing about something coming from an artist.
You know, like, as they're doing all these amazing, you know, AI images, they're very cool to look at.
But to me, it's cooler if I know a person made it.
post malone
Right.
It definitely is cooler.
I don't know the...
It's just like...
I feel like we look at it different...
I feel like the attention span is getting so short now, with short-form content and stuff like that, and it's super instant gratification, so it's like...
Why, as a fan of someone, right, even as a fan in a couple of years, I don't see why they're like, hey, I want Post Malone to make a song about this thing that specifically happened to me with the specific person's name in it, with this stuff, and this is super relatable to me, and that's what I want.
So then you can just type in the prompt, all this shit, and it'll just shit you out a song, and it'll be the most personalized experience for you.
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
That's fucking weird.
post malone
But that's exactly where it's going.
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
100%.
There's a ton of fake advertisements online right now of me selling products.
post malone
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's just my voice.
post malone
This is the most amazing thing ever.
Yeah, and I got suckered out of it figuring out you never bought those boner pills.
You never endorsed those boner pills.
And I was like, oh, they're good enough for Joe.
I mean, fuck.
joe rogan
There's so many things that are selling.
They're selling so many things.
I found like 10 of them.
post malone
It's weird.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's pretty close.
You can kind of tell when you listen.
Something's off.
There's the uncanny valley, I guess.
There's something off, but it's pretty close.
post malone
You do a podcast.
So talking about like epochs.
So I guess you know epochs in like AI. Yeah.
So you have so many because your job is literally just talking to silence.
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
You know what I mean?
There's no music.
There's no background noise.
There's no nothing.
You're just having a conversation.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
And so they can take...
All of your episodes and just run it through this thing.
And so it's all your nuance and intricacies in the way you talk and shit like that.
You know, your breasts, all that stuff.
They have all of it because it's uninterrupted by, you know, music or background.
joe rogan
They'll probably even be able to figure out a way to get you to make noises you've never made just by knowing the range that you have that's possible.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
Yeah, like some kind of weird scream or something.
Now they got that one.
They'll be able to just know what the shape of your vocal box was.
I think that's one of the ways that when they look at ancient primates, they test the size of the opening of the mouth and what kind of sounds they could make and what that shit would sound like.
post malone
Yeah, that's so weird how were they wrong about The noises that dinosaurs make?
joe rogan
I don't think they know.
I don't think they know.
I mean, if you watch Jurassic Park, it's just whatever sounds cool.
post malone
Because if you ask someone to make a dinosaur noise...
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
They're gonna do like...
joe rogan
Right, but what benefit would it be for a dinosaur to make noise?
The thing is that no lizards make noise.
Komodo dragons don't make noise.
Crocodiles don't make noise.
No reptiles make noise.
No snakes make noise.
So why would we ever think that dinosaurs would be so stupid that they'd just be yelling?
post malone
Well, rattlesnakes...
Exactly.
They just run around...
unidentified
Like scaring off everything they're trying to...
jamie vernon
It's an alligator growl.
They do growl.
joe rogan
Oh, they growl a little.
post malone
Okay, alligators growl?
joe rogan
They don't roar.
jamie vernon
They don't bark or anything.
joe rogan
Right.
That's a cool sound, for sure.
post malone
It's certainly- It sounds like a- It's probably a burp.
joe rogan
He's probably eating someone's foot right now.
Swallowing someone's fucking sneaker.
Look at that creep.
Fucking creeps.
They're such creeps.
They've been around longer than dinosaurs, too.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Or during the time of dinosaurs.
post malone
They used to be so big, man.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
post malone
They used to be so big.
I like that noise.
unidentified
That's a pretty dope noise.
post malone
It sounds like a fucking nasty growler.
It literally sounds like it's being amplified by a porcelain bowl there.
It's just like a long day.
Long day eating fucking shrooms.
unidentified
Yeah, sloppy joes and a couple of beers.
post malone
Not the sloppy joes.
joe rogan
Sloppy joes will get you, son.
They will get you.
I mean, it's almost like they come pre-digested, you know?
post malone
Yeah, perfect.
joe rogan
It's just going to slip right through the whole system.
There's zero resistance with a sloppy joe.
post malone
It goes out the exact same way it came in.
So fucked up.
joe rogan
Just lubed up and ready to go.
post malone
Mixed with bread.
I'm never gonna eat another one again.
joe rogan
They're delicious.
post malone
They are so good.
joe rogan
They're delicious.
At a fucking barbecue, a good solid sloppy joe.
Damn.
post malone
Well, there's nothing solid about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, nothing solid.
unidentified
Yeah, good one.
post malone
You've been eating Terry Black's?
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
Yeah, we get it delivered to the club a lot, too.
They're amazing.
It's just like, you can't have bad barbecue and survive out here.
post malone
I'm interested about the move.
Have you had, like, you found your, like, this place is amazing.
joe rogan
Thank you.
post malone
But the move here, because last time I was on, we were talking, it's been three years, and that was right before you moved, you said.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And I don't know.
I love...
Whenever I moved here, it was amazing.
Like, the food fucking just blew me away.
joe rogan
The people are so cool.
It's just great being out of L.A. Look, there's a lot of cool people in L.A. I loved it.
I lived there for a long time.
But it's so tense.
There's so many people.
And I don't think people are supposed to live that jammed up like that.
I just don't think it's good for you.
b-real
I mean, maybe it's different for other people.
joe rogan
Maybe they like that feeling.
I have friends that live in New York City.
They fucking love the beep beep.
Fuck you.
They love it.
They love it.
They love that crime is up.
These people are maniacs.
They feel like they're real.
They feel like it's dangerous.
Sure.
They're out there in the street.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
But me?
I like to be...
I like to relax.
post malone
Me too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
I mean, that's like...
Being on tour too and being in the hotels and going to...
Because I lived in L.A. for like five years.
But being on tour and being in the hotels, like New York and Boston, and it is so noisy.
And then you go back to Utah and you're like, oh my God, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
post malone
It's like, it's night and day.
And you never really, if you live in those environments, you never really notice it.
You never really notice, like...
A helicopter going by every 30 seconds or whatever.
But then you're out in Utah and you're like, oh my god, this is so much quieter.
joe rogan
I think people give off something that probably we can't put on a scale.
But there's like an energy that people give off.
That's one of the reasons why people like crowds.
I think people, when they're around a bunch of other people, they give off a kind of energy.
And I think when there's too much of that, like a place like L.A. or New York in particular, because New York is just jammed.
Everybody's stacked on top of each other.
I think there's this buzz that's always there that some people really enjoy.
post malone
It scares me.
It's an anxious feeling for me.
Whenever I was out there, I had my baby, and my doctor was out there, so whenever her mom...
Was, you know, towards the end of her pregnancy.
And we were like, okay, we're getting ready.
We had the baby in LA. And so, like, we were there so we could see the doctor and, you know, she can go into labor or whatever at any minute.
So we were there for a couple months and stuff.
unidentified
And...
post malone
I would go outside at night, and I'm like, oh my god.
It felt like impending doom for some reason.
Helicopters, fucking...
And there's just noise, noise, noise.
And I'm like, it was so thick.
And I was like, where is it all coming from?
I don't know.
It just gave...
It's such an anxious feeling for me to go outside, and I'm like, it's so...
It sounded like...
I know it didn't happen, and I don't know what this sounds like, but just like...
It felt like the aliens could invade at any time, you know?
unidentified
It was just like, I was like, oh, I know something's coming, man.
post malone
It's scary.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's a thing that happens when there's too many people where people don't interact with each other, too.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Which feels weird because then you feel like all these people that you're running into, like, their potential problems or their potential threats or their potential annoyances...
Like, let me get away from these people.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
And it's just...
That's not how it is when there's a few people.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
Like, when you're walking down the street in a small town...
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
...and you see somebody, like, what's up, dude?
How you doing, man?
post malone
No shit, there's a person there.
joe rogan
What's up?
Yeah, a person.
unidentified
Yeah, what's up?
joe rogan
My other person.
It's just when it's thousands of them and they're all around you.
Nobody talks to anybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you don't...
Strike up a casual conversation when you're in a crowded line filled with people walking down the street.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
People don't talk.
post malone
Everybody's got their own shit to do.
And it's so weird.
You look at even a hundred years ago, people would sit down on a bench and just be like, what's up?
How are you?
And have conversations.
And I don't remember exactly where I was, but I think I was in...
New York doing something and there was a guy I was doing like a show and we were in this building and there was like a smoking area outside and there was this guy playing chess with himself and my buddy goes up and he's like hey And I play chess with you.
And I was like, yeah, and it's just like how shit would have gone like a hundred years ago.
But now it's just like, I don't want to talk to anybody.
Like, you know, it's so fucking weird, man.
unidentified
It is.
post malone
It's just like, we don't have like that interaction because we got so much shit to do.
joe rogan
Everybody got kind of hoodwinked into this idea that the key to a successful life is working more than you should.
It is kind of the way to get ahead.
I mean, it is a competition and there are people out there that are going to hustle harder than you.
But if you're not enjoying yourself, if you don't balance it out with enjoying yourself, you're gonna have a shitty existence.
And the whole point is to have a good existence.
Have a fun existence.
It's not just about success, but everybody's so driven to just get ahead that it's hard for them to separate those two and realize there's a balance.
Like, you can't drink Coca-Cola all day.
There's a balance.
You drink it occasionally.
And that balance, you can achieve it.
But it's very hard to when you've got your eyes on the prize.
post malone
Finding that balance is the hardest part.
I'm by no means the most talented person or anything like that, but I did work really hard.
And auto-tune fucking saved my ass.
Once again, shout out.
Work hard and get auto-tuned, but not too hard.
Taking the time and having this baby was so cool, man.
It is so cool to be a dad.
And you're like, this is what I was missing out.
This is a magical thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a bunch of my friends who don't ever want kids.
I'm like, dude, I get it, but you're missing something.
You are.
You don't have to.
And I do not like that pressure that people put on people, especially once they have kids.
post malone
Well, it's mostly grandparents or like your grandmars.
It's like, when are you gonna have a baby?
joe rogan
But there's also a bunch of people that want you to stop being like Peter Pan.
They want you to settle down.
post malone
Never stop being like Peter Pan.
Ever.
I don't remember who I was talking to, but I was like, the goal of life is to be a kid forever.
joe rogan
For sure.
post malone
I mean, and now with everything that we have in place right now, it's almost impossible.
It's almost impossible, but that's the goal.
The goal is to have as much money as you need to never have to worry about it.
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
So you can actually go and...
Live life as a fucking kid and just eat fucking chicken nuggets and fucking go run around in the desert and go eat worms and shit.
Well, I don't do that.
joe rogan
But have fun.
post malone
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, have fun.
And people, when they are serious about something, especially like we're talking about, people have their eyes on the prize and they're trying to get ahead, it's hard for them to disconnect and have fun.
My wife taught me how to do it.
I really used to have a hard time with it.
I used to have a hard time with vacations because I always felt like I was missing work, like stuff I should be doing.
But it's just a mindset that I learned how to slide into.
And I learned how to chill at the end of the days, too.
I never used to know how to chill at the end of the day.
I would just stay ramped up until I was tired, wake up, and go, let's fucking go.
And it's just not...
Sustainable.
It is sustainable.
I did it for a long time.
But I don't think it's mentally sustainable.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
I think the mind is the...
Your mind...
It's not a good headspace to be in all the time.
You need to be enjoying this shit.
unidentified
You need to be able to...
post malone
It's so timeless, but it's so true.
Stop and fucking smell the fucking roses.
joe rogan
Roses smell good, man.
post malone
They certainly do.
They're so cute, too.
My baby was like, we had flowers delivered to the room, and she would hold it up to my nose, and like, you smell this shit, because this shit is so cool.
And I'm like, oh, that's so cute.
joe rogan
It's cool that a baby knows that you can smell it, too.
She smells it, and she wants you to smell it.
post malone
Isn't that wild?
She got the double brain.
I got that.
Back to the vacation.
Sorry, I wanted to say something about that too.
Have you ever been, I don't know how your family is or how your buddies are, but have you ever been on a vacation and the people who plan the vacation are super militant about the itinerary and you can't even vacation?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
I do know what you're talking about, but fortunately I haven't experienced one of those.
post malone
It is cursed.
I've seen it.
joe rogan
I've seen people go through it.
post malone
You're in this, like, beautiful place, and they're like, alright guys, so 6am, tomorrow morning, you guys are up.
joe rogan
We're going kayaking.
post malone
It's like 3 o'clock, and you're all drunk, and everybody's like, alright, so you're gonna get up at 6, right?
You're gonna be up at 6. Oh.
To go fucking do something in the sun and it's the hottest of all time after three hours of sleep.
And I'm like, yep, I'll be there.
You don't want to be mean and be like, I'm not going.
unidentified
And then you also get FOMO. I don't think it's mean.
joe rogan
I don't think it's mean.
I think it's kind of mean to tell you what to do.
Especially if you're on vacation.
post malone
Yeah, Greg.
joe rogan
Yeah, Greg.
post malone
No, I don't know Greg.
joe rogan
But maybe it's some cool shit.
Like, we're going to go Marlin fishing.
We've got to be up at 5 a.m.
post malone
That sounds cool.
joe rogan
We all agreed to it, and we chartered the boat, so we've got to get up.
Okay, let's go.
post malone
I caught a shark in the Maldives.
joe rogan
Did you really?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
It was super random.
joe rogan
Yeah?
post malone
We went to the Maldives and we started throwing lines out on the boat.
And we caught grouper and all that stuff.
And we were using just little inch pieces of bait and regular line.
And I cast my line out and I started bringing it back.
And I was like, oh, I'm on a rock.
I'm on a rock.
But then the rock went...
I was like, okay, maybe this isn't a rock.
And so we sat and fought it for like 25 minutes and it was a nine-foot nurse shark.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
post malone
Yeah, totally on accident.
unidentified
Wow.
post malone
With this much bait and just a regular line.
joe rogan
Yeah, nurse sharks are...
That's sad because that's a sweet shark.
post malone
We let...
unidentified
Of course.
post malone
Yeah, yeah, of course.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
post malone
But I was like...
joe rogan
But she got a fucking hook in her face.
post malone
Yeah, I know.
It was so random.
I was like, I thought I caught a rock because that's usually all I catch whenever I go fishing.
joe rogan
You know what's fucking weird?
What's really weird about fishing is catch and release.
Catch and release fishing.
post malone
For sharks?
joe rogan
For any kind of fish.
It's kind of weird.
post malone
Why so?
joe rogan
Because you're just doing it for fun.
post malone
Right.
Sure.
joe rogan
You're not doing it for food.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
And you're essentially risking this animal's life with a hook.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Deep in its throat.
You're hoping it's going to survive.
What if you gilled it?
What if it got deep into the gills with a Rapala with the big old treble hooks and And it's bleeding internally.
post malone
Fuck, don't make me feel bad, man.
joe rogan
No, it's just a weird thing that people do.
post malone
It was an accident.
joe rogan
Not you, man.
I'm not even talking about that.
People specifically.
I've done it.
I'm a hypocrite.
I've done it before.
Where you go catch and release fishing just because it's fun.
post malone
And just toss them back.
joe rogan
Yeah, like people do that with fly fishing.
post malone
Yeah, or you catch something tiny and you throw it back.
joe rogan
With fly fishing, there's actually an argument that's not that big of a deal because fly fishermen, a lot of them, use barbless hooks so they can remove it very easily and then maybe the fish can even get it free if it jumps in the air.
But when they catch them, a lot of fly fishermen are just catching and releasing trout.
post malone
I've never been fly fishing, but my brother's super into it and he loves it.
joe rogan
It's very relaxing.
post malone
He loves it.
joe rogan
You need a lot of concentration.
It's kind of like archery in that respect.
It requires all of your concentration as you're casting the line and you've got to figure out how to get the perfect amount of whip so it rolls over and the fly.
It presents itself right in front of the waterhole and you creep it with your fingers.
You're doing everything with your hands.
You're not reeling in with a reel.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Everything is done with your hands.
Even when you're giving the fish line, like if it's really pulling and you already have a tiny leader, you've got to give them a little line.
You're kind of doing it with touch and feel.
It's very, like, tactile.
post malone
It's a dance.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very much a dance.
It's a dance.
You know, I love all kinds of fishing, but, like, if you go to, like, a creek where people are fly-fishing and you use, like, a spinner, like, on a, like, a regular rod, like a spinning rod, people will, like, look at you like you're a fucking idiot.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, what's wrong with you, you fucking barbarian?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're out here fly-fishing.
post malone
This is a dance.
joe rogan
This is a gentleman's dance.
post malone
Parrying Rod.
joe rogan
These dudes are over there listening to fucking AM Republican radio.
Fly fishing.
post malone
One of the crank ones.
Hold on.
Wait, what'd he say?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Dude, there's a lot of guys that still listen to those fucking political talk shows on AM talk radio.
post malone
Man, I haven't even turned on a radio in a long time.
joe rogan
A long time.
post malone
Yeah, it's been a long time.
A long time.
If I had to use the crank radio, I'd hope there was something on there, but I don't know.
joe rogan
Bro, when I was a kid, no one ever would have thought there would be a time where radio wasn't like a centerpiece in everyone's life.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because when I was a kid, like in high school, in the 80s, it was like, what station do you listen to?
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I was a BCN guy.
Rock of Boston.
post malone
And you got beat up by the KTMT's guys.
joe rogan
Well, there was the AAF guys that were a little more hardcore.
post malone
Those guys are crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
I know those fuckers.
They're crazy.
joe rogan
And then there's the KISS FM guys.
I love KISS FM. They were into, like, going out to clubs.
post malone
When did KISS FM start?
joe rogan
Well, there's been a lot of KISS FM's, right?
post malone
Because I'm 106.1 K-K-K-K-Kiss FM. Where's that one?
Dallas, Fort Worth.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there's a KISS FM all over the country.
I don't know if they're a Philly.
I don't know what that is.
Is that like a fucking chain?
post malone
I don't know.
Is it franchised?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
post malone
How do you get a franchise into it?
joe rogan
Because there's a whole lot of Kiss FM's.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why does that sound so good?
It does sound good.
post malone
It sounds so good.
joe rogan
Kiss FM sounds badass.
post malone
But they had the jingle.
The jingle, I remember, because I used to fall asleep to the radio and then wake up to Kid Craddock.
Rest in peace, Kid Craddock.
Like, such a legend.
And like, he got me through school.
He was just funny and amazing.
And like, I don't know.
It's just, I don't know.
There's something magical about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
But we lost that.
And even watching, like, Succession, because I just got into it.
Have you seen it?
joe rogan
Good show.
post malone
It's so good.
joe rogan
So good show.
Those actors are insane.
post malone
Insane.
joe rogan
They, like, become those fucked up people.
post malone
Insane.
Insane.
joe rogan
Well, you're buying it hook, line, and sinker.
The whole cast is insanely good.
post malone
It's a dance, much like fly fishing.
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
But, I mean, talking about legacy media and stuff like that and just how, like...
Logan, Joe Logan, that's a meme, wants to buy all these legacy media companies, but the kids are like, no, no, no, no, dad, you're so old.
This is not what's hot.
But he's still trying to hang on to it, and that's such an interesting thing with streaming and Spotify and Apple Music and stuff.
It's just like the radio, unless you really love the DJ, I haven't turned on a radio.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't turn on radios.
I don't even know how to work it in any of my cars.
Fuck, they're so confusing now!
One of my old muscle cars has an actual radio.
post malone
Does it have a CD player?
joe rogan
No, it doesn't.
I do have one car that has a CD player, though.
I have a BMW that has a CD player.
Or does it have a compact disc player?
post malone
Must be nice.
joe rogan
That's a 2005. Was it?
jamie vernon
A CD player in a compact display?
joe rogan
Oh, I meant cassette.
I meant cassette.
I was thinking cassette.
Yeah, it's got a CD player.
But I had a car that had a cassette player for a while.
post malone
Does it have the combo?
You remember that transition?
So they had to put both in?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
So you get the CDs and the cassettes?
joe rogan
You remember when they used to have a little handle and you could pull them out because people were stealing radios?
unidentified
Blaupunks?
joe rogan
No!
Literally, there was a handle.
So you'd go to the restaurant, hold it on to your stereo.
Your radio?
Yeah.
They would slide out.
post malone
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Because, bro, everybody stole radios.
They stole so many radios.
post malone
It's the Alpine.
You want the Alpine.
joe rogan
And people were always selling them, too.
Like, in a box at the fucking supermarket.
Like, hey, bro, you want some stereos?
post malone
Well, they'd sell them at the restaurant.
unidentified
Hey man, go flip my radio real quick.
post malone
Or if you can't, instead of doing dishes, if you can't pay, you just like, here, hold on to the radio for a little bit.
joe rogan
Weird how quick that went away.
post malone
And what happened to, uh, how come no one uses those, uh, steering wheel locks?
joe rogan
They don't really work.
post malone
They don't?
joe rogan
I mean, maybe some of them do.
I've seen people break them, though.
post malone
Well, you could break, you ever watch the Lockpick Lawyer?
unidentified
No.
post malone
On YouTube?
joe rogan
No.
post malone
I don't know anything about lockpicking.
I want to learn.
It seems like just a cool thing to learn, playing video games and stuff.
I want to lockpick shit.
joe rogan
Very James Bond.
post malone
It's badass.
Splinter Cell.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's cool.
unidentified
If you have a little lockpick tool in your box.
post malone
That's badass.
But to be able to pull that out is pretty cool.
But the lockpick lawyer, he can get into anything.
Yeah, dude, it's so cool, man.
See, this is the Lexus RX300. I love this lock.
You know locks?
No, sir.
But as you see here with this Toy 48, with the Toy 48, man, he'll get in here so quick.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you can get in anywhere.
post malone
And that's my favorite lock.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
Look how he's doing this.
That's your favorite lock.
Look how he's doing this.
This is nuts.
post malone
So they'll do challenges for him, and he'll just get in there no problem.
And I never was interested, but this shit is like ASMR. It is so fun to watch, and I'll just watch this all night.
joe rogan
This is wild how he's doing this, where he's literally figuring out where the key slots are and pushing it into place.
post malone
So these cards are pretty cool.
They make them for specific locks.
And you can just get in there and find all the grid and all the indicators and shit like that.
I don't know exactly how it works.
Don't listen to me about it.
joe rogan
And so is that a complicated...
Oh, so that's how it works.
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
So I'm explaining how bump block is in the same kind of thing.
You can get in anything with the right key.
Just bumping it hard enough.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
And they explained how that works.
post malone
Look at that.
Isn't that cool?
joe rogan
That is fucking crazy.
post malone
Who invented the lock?
John Locke?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
post malone
I believe his name was John Locke.
Thusly named.
unidentified
What was a lock before a lock?
post malone
So maybe it was his name.
Trust.
I don't know.
joe rogan
What would you say?
Would you lock something up?
What would that even mean?
post malone
Nothing.
joe rogan
Before locks?
post malone
Was there like...
joe rogan
Before locks, people used to have to put boards inside their house to keep people from opening their doors.
post malone
Or just like a nice, like, uh...
Ritualistic signal, a symbol on the front of their door.
They're like, don't come in here.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
post malone
Well, like they would do with, like, what's his name?
Krampus.
Put this dead goat and, like, paint the blood on your front door.
Like, don't come in here.
That would work.
I think that would work for some people.
unidentified
To this day.
post malone
No, to this day.
If someone comes up and tries to get into your house and you have, like, painted in blood, like, this crazy...
Like, Rune?
I don't think they're coming in.
joe rogan
Unless that's what you're into.
post malone
Maybe so.
You'd be like, bro, that's my Rune.
Maybe you just get the craziest robbers of all time and they're like, he's got some cool shit in there.
unidentified
Yeah, I like how you live.
post malone
He doesn't even want to hurt you.
He just wants to hang out.
He's like, hey, man.
joe rogan
Can you introduce me to Satan?
post malone
Yeah, exactly.
He's in the basement right now.
joe rogan
I can introduce you to Satan, bro.
post malone
It's no problem.
Yeah, come on in, man.
He's fine.
It's tea time.
The kettle's on, sir.
joe rogan
We're gonna call him.
post malone
Never call Satan after 3 a.m.
It's bad.
joe rogan
That's when he gets evil.
post malone
Never call the imposter from Among Us after 3 a.m.
joe rogan
The imposter from Among Us?
What is that?
post malone
You know the imposter from Among Us.
joe rogan
No, I don't.
post malone
You never played Among Us?
joe rogan
No.
post malone
No.
joe rogan
What is it?
post malone
It's like a game.
I don't know.
It's a game people used to play.
joe rogan
Oh, I never played it.
post malone
You know this guy.
You know this guy.
joe rogan
I don't.
post malone
Don't trust him.
joe rogan
I don't.
I never played that game.
post malone
Don't trust him.
joe rogan
The guy with the leaves on his head?
post malone
Any of them.
joe rogan
Any of them.
post malone
You can't trust...
So it's like...
You gotta guess who the killer is out of all of them.
I can't believe I'm talking about Among Us on Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
This is amazing.
You know what it is, Jamie?
You do?
I don't know what it is.
jamie vernon
It got big over the pandemic.
joe rogan
Oh, it did?
Oh, so it's recent?
jamie vernon
It was a game that you play with your friends.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
post malone
Some would debate it's for babies, but it's pretty fun.
I don't play it.
joe rogan
Why would they say it's for babies?
post malone
I don't know.
joe rogan
Because it's cartoony?
post malone
Babies play it sometimes.
Much like Fortnite.
Sorry, Fortnite.
joe rogan
Babies play a lot of things.
post malone
That's true.
joe rogan
They play cool shit, too.
post malone
But that's true.
They do rose smelling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
But it kind of got memed a little bit, the Among Us thing.
joe rogan
Interesting.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird that some people like things until they find out the type of other people that like it.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
And they're like, I don't like this thing anymore.
post malone
Well, dude, you remember how big, how big...
What is it?
The Facebook meta, the metaverse or whatever.
How big that was supposed to be.
The VR thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Right?
And so I just watched a thing.
By a guy named Jarvis Johnson.
And he went in and spent like a week playing like 14 hours a day in the metaverse.
And it's all just kids.
So they said it was going to be huge, huge, huge.
There's 900 people on it.
And they're all kids.
And he would go everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.
And it's all kids to the point where there was an 18 and up bar.
And you would have to hold your arms out.
And they would measure your arm length to make sure that you weren't a kid.
Isn't that crazy?
I don't know, man.
It's just like...
joe rogan
That's bizarre.
post malone
It's crazy.
But it's just like...
joe rogan
Well, that's weird.
If someone's...
Oh, wow.
post malone
Age verification.
joe rogan
What if someone's really tiny?
post malone
Right?
joe rogan
Like, what happens to little people?
post malone
Yeah, what if it's like, just a guy with a short wingspan?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you're fucked.
post malone
You can't get into the bar.
But that's alright, because there was two people in there.
joe rogan
The whole thing is, you're hanging out with kids?
That's bizarre.
post malone
It's weird, man!
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a different thing.
That's like an interactive thing.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
Not like if you're playing a video game and it's just you versus the computer.
unidentified
Right.
post malone
And these kids, well, these fucking kids at these multiplayer games are so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have no life.
post malone
It's crazy, dude.
joe rogan
No mortgage, no family.
I miss those days, man.
No aspirations.
They know when food is coming.
post malone
That's what I meant by whenever I said the goal of life is to be a kid, I meant, like, don't pay taxes.
So I haven't paid mine.
Just joking.
That's a joke, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go to Puerto Rico.
post malone
You don't have to pay taxes?
joe rogan
Well, there's a weird thing.
If you live in Puerto Rico, it's like 51% of the time or something like that.
I forget what the percentage is.
post malone
But you just roll the dice?
joe rogan
You don't pay federal taxes.
post malone
How do you do that?
joe rogan
Because if you claim Puerto Rico as your residence, I'm going to fuck this up, but Peter Schiff explained it to me.
But that's why Jake and Logan Paul, they live in Puerto Rico.
You don't have to pay taxes.
post malone
Do watch the fight.
joe rogan
I did.
post malone
What do you think?
joe rogan
It's a good fight.
Jake did a great job.
He's very talented.
post malone
He's big.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a big fella.
He's a big fella and Nate is definitely smaller than him, definitely doesn't hit as hard as him.
And Jake has a lot more experience in professional boxing now, for sure.
But he's legit.
He's a legit fighter.
post malone
I mean, yeah, he looks good.
I mean, I just love watching Nate fight.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
post malone
He is amazing.
He is, like, one of my favorites to watch.
And I was super pumped.
It came on after the show in Dallas the first night, like two nights ago.
joe rogan
They're talking about having an MMA fight, which would be a way different fight.
post malone
I want that fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a way different fight.
post malone
I want that fight.
joe rogan
That's a way different fight.
post malone
I feel like, and I've never been in a combat sport before, but, like...
It changes everything.
joe rogan
It changes everything.
post malone
Like, you see Nate kind of getting up against the rope because he wants the chain there, you know?
Right.
Like, because he's getting up against the rope, and I'm like, oh, and MMA or UFC or whatever, you can get up against...
joe rogan
You tie him up.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
But I don't know.
It's totally different.
joe rogan
It's totally different.
But Jake is a very good wrestler.
He's a great athlete.
Very good fighter.
And I know he's never done an MMA fight before.
But if he had one, I think he'd be good at it.
I think he'd be good at it just like he's good at boxing.
He'd figure it out.
post malone
He's built crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
Like, looking at him since his first fight.
joe rogan
He fucking trains hard.
post malone
He's big.
joe rogan
To go ten rounds like that with Nate constantly coming forward, you gotta be in some serious shape.
Serious shape.
That's also a lot of experience, too, because you gotta know when to hit the gas and when to back off.
Right.
You can't just fight full blast for ten rounds.
It's not possible.
post malone
I had to do...
I was just doing...
So we filmed a movie...
A scene in a movie, and I had to go in and do voiceover for the movie, for dubs, and they were telling me to throw fake punches.
And I did it for like 10, not even full on for 10 minutes.
And I was like, oh my god.
I was so fucking sore and I was sore for the next week.
I was like, yo.
And then you look at like 20 minutes?
How long are the rounds?
joe rogan
Well, it's 10 three-minute rounds.
post malone
10 three-minute rounds.
joe rogan
30 minutes of boxing.
post malone
That's insane.
joe rogan
It's insane.
That's insane.
That's hard.
That's hard to do.
You know what's a great workout?
The VR boxing games.
Have you ever fucked with any of those?
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
They're great.
post malone
I'm in the metaverse, man.
joe rogan
I'm playing Among Us in VR. They're great workouts that are in a game, because you actually are boxing the guy.
You have these handsets on.
The handsets are your gloves.
So you actually throw punches, and you move away from their punches, and it shows you when you hit them.
post malone
And it measures your goggles too, so it knows where your goggles are.
joe rogan
Yeah, it knows exactly where you're at.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
So as your head moves, the punches slip by, you can duck under them and hit them with uppercuts.
post malone
Is it like multiplayer?
joe rogan
No, it's single player.
post malone
Oh, I didn't know if you were fighting real people.
Because I was like, imagine like, oh fuck, I'm a 12-year-old at my house and I gotta box Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
You can do that in fencing.
I know in fencing you can have a fence-off with each other.
I bet they have a thing for boxing where you could do it against someone where you're both on opposite sides of the room and you're boxing each other.
post malone
Well, I didn't...
What's your...
If you...
Send me your gamertag so if I ever go up against you.
I don't have a gamertag.
Gamertag is also quite old, I think.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I used to be an Xbox guy.
Now I'm just a PC nerd.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Just PC? Yeah, man.
What do you play?
post malone
I'm playing Diablo right now.
unidentified
Diablo.
post malone
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That steals your life.
post malone
It steals my entire life.
On my days off, I go and I play and I'm like, oh, I'm good, man.
I only played for like 14 hours today.
You play?
joe rogan
No, I do not.
My friend Duncan is a full-on junkie.
So is my friend Brian.
And we were both watching video clips of it the other day.
I see it.
I get it.
I get how it rope you in.
post malone
It's that dopamine of seeing all the numbers pop up.
You're like, oh, I did nine million damage to a fucking demon.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's all the numbers and the graphics and the craziness, and you see them coming towards you.
There's a lot of anticipation.
unidentified
Yikes.
post malone
Yeah, it's good.
It's good.
joe rogan
It looks like fun.
post malone
Do you play anything?
joe rogan
Not anymore.
post malone
No?
joe rogan
No, I used to be a hardcore first-person shooter junkie.
I used to play a lot of Quake.
post malone
Modern Warfare 2?
unidentified
Quake.
post malone
No, Quake.
See, you're harder.
You're harder.
joe rogan
I used to be Quake Online.
post malone
I had a buddy that used to play Quake.
And the competitive scene for that in the early 2000s was crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, insane.
Insane.
post malone
You have to know all the map and you know where they're going.
It's like FPS chess.
It's pretty cool to watch.
joe rogan
It really is because you have to know when certain items are spawning.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Like a mega health, a rocket launcher.
You got to get to it before your opponent does.
post malone
Nerd.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
That's so cool.
Were you any good?
joe rogan
I was pretty good, yeah.
post malone
That's amazing.
That's so cool, dude.
joe rogan
We used to have a Quake land party set up here.
unidentified
This is crazy, dude.
joe rogan
That's Quake 3 Arena, right?
Quake Champions?
Quake Champions.
post malone
What was like...
unidentified
Unreal?
post malone
No, it's a Quake game.
It's like...
joe rogan
Boom.
post malone
Look at that.
joe rogan
This game is so fun.
post malone
I can't even react that fast.
How do you hit that guy?
joe rogan
Well, you're moving so fast in this game.
It's just constant juice for your brain.
Your brain is just constantly getting stimulus.
It's so fun.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy's good.
Whoever's playing this, this guy's good.
But look how, like, tuned in he is.
He's just...
In a trance.
post malone
He knows where he's coming from.
He knows exactly.
You gotta memorize these maps, dude.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Did he get him through the grate?
He got him as he was going down.
post malone
That was great.
joe rogan
Look at that.
This guy's insane.
This guy's so good, man.
So he's running around getting all the health and getting all the armor and shit.
post malone
See, he pre-shoots that in case he's coming down there.
Wow, he is rocking this guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy's a killer.
Whoever the fuck this guy is, this guy has no life.
Guarantee you, that motherfucker's playing that game all day.
post malone
Man, I only played for 14 hours today.
What do you mean?
joe rogan
The thing is, you could be, like, real successful in that game.
You get the same rush out of being successful in the real world.
post malone
It's true.
joe rogan
Yeah, more of a rush, really.
post malone
I don't...
Dude, it's so...
So, gaming for me is, like, like I mentioned before, I don't leave the house very much.
So, like, gaming for me is, like, me time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
You know, everybody likes, like, the multiplayer games and stuff, but I'm, like, a single-player guy because I'm, like...
Whenever I get to actually sit down, you know, by myself, you know, not on tour, and then the baby goes to bed and mama goes to bed and I can just go and sit and have a nice drink and a smoke in my game room and just fucking, like...
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
Just total get-austy time.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
You need austy time.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
You do.
Everybody does.
You really do.
It's good for your mind.
Again, like, why are we doing this?
unidentified
You're doing this to enjoy yourself.
post malone
Sure, yes, sir.
joe rogan
All this life is supposed to be, you're supposed to be enjoying yourself as much as you can.
post malone
I mean, it's a lot.
It's a lot.
Everybody's got a lot.
joe rogan
Everybody's got a lot.
post malone
You take that second.
Don't be fucking scared to take that second for yourself.
You deserve that fucking second.
joe rogan
But earn that second too.
post malone
Earn that second, but then you feel that second hit so much harder.
joe rogan
So much harder.
post malone
Whenever you're like, oh man, I'm fucking working my ass off.
joe rogan
Abstinence makes the heart grow fond.
post malone
Abstinence?
joe rogan
Yeah, just...
post malone
Yeah, I'm abstinent.
joe rogan
Having, you know, just a little break from things.
post malone
Well, how do you find time, Joe?
joe rogan
I make it.
Force it.
Just force it.
Give me one of them Bud Lights.
post malone
Fuck it.
unidentified
You got it.
joe rogan
Let's go.
post malone
They're cold, too.
joe rogan
We've been drinking Bud Light consistently on this show.
I'm sure the comments are afire with those folks that like to get riled up about stupid shit.
post malone
Well, that's what I said, you know.
Before the show, I was like, just back to the conversation we were just having.
There's not a lot of comfort in the modern world, man.
unidentified
And I've been drinking this forever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And I don't...
joe rogan
Gives you comfort.
post malone
I'm drinking my fucking...
I'm gonna...
God damn it, I'm gonna drink a fucking beer, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Yeah, a Bud Light, too.
post malone
I'm gonna drink a fucking Bud Light, and it's yummy.
joe rogan
Forget about everybody's outrage.
Settle down, everybody.
Relax.
They fucked up.
Just let them off the hook.
They fucked up this one thing.
It's not even that big a deal, but when Kid Rock shoots your fucking beer, it's game over.
post malone
It was a cool MP5, though.
joe rogan
It was.
post malone
It was a cool gun.
joe rogan
When Kid Rock shoots your beer.
post malone
First off, you've got to buy the beer, and you know how much ammo is nowadays.
joe rogan
It was an expensive publicity stunt, but I think it was well worth it.
Well, if you look at the impact that it did, that's what's crazy.
How many people are just looking for shit to get annoyed with lately?
post malone
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
It's...
It's interesting.
And I love watching the show because it's so...
You just talk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
You just talk and me and my friends, we say, you know, it's nice because you don't have any judgment and you listen to people talk and you actually have a conversation, which is really nice.
joe rogan
Well, in this age of short attention span, that shit doesn't appeal to everybody.
There's a lot of people that aren't interested in that.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
And they're interested in long-form conversations.
They're interested in reading books.
They're interested in just listening to music just for the sake of listening to music.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
You know, there's still people like that out there.
This idea that everyone's just short attention span dummy, that's crazy.
That's not true.
There's always going to be people that are interested in things and want to be stimulated.
post malone
Is that the popular...
Well, I mean, for you, yes.
You crush it.
You crush it.
joe rogan
Well, it works for me.
Yes, sir.
But it works for me because that's actually what I like.
Yes, sir.
There's no bridge between what I'm interested in and what I'm talking about.
post malone
Right.
It's just right there.
joe rogan
It's right there.
post malone
You love what you do.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's no executive.
There's no producer telling me what to do.
There's no network.
So it's just me and people, me and you.
And that's missing in this world.
We're getting too much of what we get is filtered down.
Even if it's the news, it's going through filters.
It's going through people.
It's getting approved.
What can you talk about?
What can you not talk about?
What do you highlight?
What do you not highlight?
What causes death that you pay attention to?
And what causes death that you ignore?
That's what the news is.
So it's just, we get it from everything.
And so we always have this uneasy feeling Like, whoever that person is that's telling us the news, they're not being 100% real with us.
Because they're not even talking real.
Today, at 5pm, we learned that there's a way they're talking where you know that it's not a fucking human.
That's not a human.
And when they're trying to be a human, it's even grosser.
post malone
It's a show.
joe rogan
Yeah, and when they're trying to be sincere, it's even grosser because it's like performative.
You've been performing as this news guy forever and now all of a sudden you're the real person.
Cut the shit, man.
What is that?
It's weird.
It makes us feel weird.
post malone
And that might not even be as human as they're even being.
It's not their fault, you know, because that's their job.
joe rogan
That's their job.
post malone
You know, that's their job to go up there.
So if you do show that human moment, it's like, and then you look at it and you're like, oh, is that actually real?
Everyone thinks that's fake, you know, but maybe, you know, they do feel sad, genuinely.
It's just so hard if you tell a sad story on the news.
And it's like you're reading off a teleprompter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
You know what I mean?
It's interesting.
joe rogan
It is.
It's weird that we still need people to do it, too.
Like, we want a Walter Cronkite-type person or some respected journalist, some Mike Wallace, some Barbara Walters, someone who, like, when they're talking...
post malone
There's one I know.
I know Barbara Walters.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's, well, you know, not when she's on The View, but the olden days.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
When she would do investigative journalism.
unidentified
What days?
What days?
I'm 95. I'm 95. Bro, she's pre-your time for sure.
joe rogan
She's pre-my time.
She was...
I think there's like some crazy thing where Barbara Walters, Anne Frank, and Martin Luther King Jr. were born in the same year.
Is that true?
Did I just make that up?
I think Anne Frank and Martin Luther King Jr. and then like one other...
jamie vernon
She was born in 1929. What?
joe rogan
Son.
jamie vernon
She passed away last year.
joe rogan
1929. Yeah.
Yeah.
That lady's seen some shit.
post malone
That's when people...
jamie vernon
She was born in 1929?
post malone
Played chess with each other.
joe rogan
And Frank was as well, right?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Born the same year.
post malone
See, you didn't make that up.
joe rogan
No.
Sometimes I'm wondering, though.
post malone
No, me too.
I fuck things up.
I definitely fuck things up.
joe rogan
The problem also, like, sometimes people tell me something and then I don't look it up.
And then I'll just repeat it.
post malone
Yeah, that's a whole other thing.
That's a whole other thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta, like, look things up.
post malone
Dick Clark.
Audrey Hepburn.
Arnold Palmer from 1929?
Let's go.
joe rogan
The golfer?
Wow, he was born in 1929?
post malone
I thought he was the drink guy.
I prefer myself a John Daly.
joe rogan
Which is the John Daly?
post malone
That's vodka and Arnold Palmer.
joe rogan
John Daly's a wild boy.
post malone
Oh, man.
joe rogan
That fella.
What he can do is amazing.
He's known for being a dude who parties.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
And he's one of the best golfers ever.
post malone
Yeah, man.
I don't know.
That's why I like...
joe rogan
Look at him out there.
post malone
Dude, that's such a wave right there.
unidentified
Smoking a cigarette.
post malone
Smoking a stogie and just fucking...
joe rogan
Big gut.
Plays like a fucking wizard.
post malone
He looks like a wizard.
unidentified
He does.
post malone
He's giving me big wizard vibes on this one.
joe rogan
I mean, the guy's been doing it a long fucking time.
Many a man is in the ground that was thinking that John Daly was never going to make it.
post malone
I'd be pissed.
It's like, you ever play Mortal Kombat and Bo Raicho?
joe rogan
Who's Bo Reicho?
post malone
He's the guy that was always drunk and he would puke on you.
joe rogan
Oh.
post malone
And then he would always kick my ass in the game.
So imagine...
That's kind of like...
joe rogan
John Daly.
post malone
Not to compare John Daly to Bo Reicho from Mortal Kombat, but...
Just imagine you're out there and you go so hard and you go, you're like doing all the best training and all this shit and this guy just comes out with a...
joe rogan
Fat dude just fucks you up.
post malone
With a John Daly and then just fucking hits the craziest shot.
I mean, oh my god, man.
joe rogan
There's some guys that don't look like they should be pro athletes or pro anything with your body.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
And yet they're as good as anybody alive.
post malone
Yeah.
I mean, like...
Big country?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Roy Nelson?
Roy Nelson put people into neighboring dimensions.
That dude hit so hard.
And, by the way, he's like a legit Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.
He was an elite grappler.
I met him way back in the day, way before he had any MMA fights.
And he was just a really elite grappler.
But then he starts fighting in MMA and knocking people unconscious.
And can take a shot as good as anybody that's ever lived.
post malone
The beard is padding.
Have you thought...
Did we...
joe rogan
They used to say that with boxers.
They used to make them shave their beards.
post malone
Shave them off.
joe rogan
You couldn't have a big hairy beard because they really did think that it was padding.
post malone
Well, yeah.
Well, that's what I was talking to somebody and they were like, hey, do you think it's like way, way, way, way, way far down the line to where like men grew beards because they were fighting each other?
And they were like, okay, we'll get a little padding.
And it just grew over time.
joe rogan
No, I think they hadn't invented razors.
post malone
That's true.
No, but how evolutionary?
How did it grow?
How did it start growing?
joe rogan
It went away.
I think we had hair all the way up to the top of our face.
But why would it stay here?
post malone
Why do we have armpit hair, Joe Rogan?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Why do we have ball hair?
Yeah.
What's up with asshole hair?
post malone
So you can style it, of course.
joe rogan
Asshole hair is totally useless.
post malone
So you can braid it.
joe rogan
Keep your asshole warm.
post malone
Asshole hair is for catching dingleberries, and everyone knows that.
It's for a little snack for later.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
What it is is we used to be covered in hair.
It's pretty obvious.
And then when the aliens came down and manipulated our DNA, they turned us into this.
post malone
I wish they turned me into that.
I wish they turned me into that.
How did I get stuck with it?
I always miss the fucking cool shit, man.
joe rogan
Dude, I think if that is the case, if...
If we were really truly created by aliens, that would be the most bizarre of all the possibilities.
We're still the same thing.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if we knew that that's how we came about, that would be probably the most bizarre thing ever.
post malone
From creation or, like, crossbreeding?
joe rogan
Like crossbreeding.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or, like, some genetic manipulation.
You know?
post malone
It's so weird.
Who fucking knows?
But thinking about...
So why are the depictions of aliens, since recorded history, why are they always bipedal?
Why do they always have the same face and eyes as us?
Like, why?
joe rogan
Big giant eyes, right?
post malone
Why is that?
joe rogan
Why is that?
post malone
Because, I don't know.
And people are like, oh, you know, people would be like, Well, they're just like, you know, they made this up.
They look like humans, but what if we look like them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Or what if whatever we're being visited by now is just humans from the future or humans or another offshoot of humans from another dimension?
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people speculate on all those things.
post malone
At the risk of sounding crazy.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting about aliens, too?
Aliens, they always have eyes facing forward.
And in nature, things that have eyes facing forward are generally predators.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Things that have eyes on the side, like a deer or a pronghorn, they're looking for shit coming at them.
So they're looking left and right.
But when something has eyes going forward, it's looking to attack, generally.
Like cats and wolves, they have eyes facing forward.
Right.
Aliens have eyes facing forward, which is interesting.
post malone
I don't know.
Do you think if there is actually...
Who's to even fucking say what an alien even fucking looks like?
They could just be a blob of fucking energy or whatever the fuck.
But if we do personalize them like that, which we as humans tend to do, it makes it easier to...
Fathom, you know what I mean?
I couldn't fathom a being in here that's just a glob of dust or a cloud.
I'm like, whoa, this is insane.
But if I look at it from like, oh, you're like me, you know what I mean?
As far away in the galaxy as you might be from, you look kind of like me.
unidentified
Well, just think about the me when you say me.
joe rogan
It's very intangible, right?
It's not like my hand.
My hand is right here.
But my me, like who I am, my consciousness, like where the fuck is that?
Where's that?
Is that inside of me?
Is it a part of me?
Is it all of me together?
Whatever it is, it's like you, like your consciousness is like this very unique energy that's you.
And mine is me, and everybody has a different one.
And it's, what the fuck is that?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing.
post malone
It certainly is.
joe rogan
You know, whatever it is inside of your mind that's moving you around and responding to questions and finding what you're interested in and pursuing your goals like that, whatever the fuck that thing is inside of you, that energy is very strange.
post malone
And it is.
It's just super weird.
I remember you...
Asked me if I wanted to smoke and I can't I don't really smoke anymore And I actually talked it for the longest time in my whole life.
I couldn't really explain this I couldn't like really like Bring it to like Words and try to explain it to where I wasn't like where just cuz was It made no sense, but I talked to a couple of my buddies and they were like, oh, it's the same thing.
So a lot of my friends from smoking weed, it's almost like a depersonalization thing to where it feels like for the longest time since I smoked one bad joint.
And for the longest time ever since then, it's felt like I've been almost like watching my life happen instead of actually like living it.
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
It does.
If you had like an episode.
Like if you smoked one bad joint and you got way too high and you had like a break, like some sort of a schizophrenic break or some sort of strange episode.
post malone
And it just feels like a lot of the time it's like...
It's like...
I'm not doing it.
It's like almost as like...
I'm watching it happen.
joe rogan
Still, to this day?
post malone
To this day, a lot of the time, yeah.
joe rogan
And it happened because of that one violence?
post malone
I had never felt it in my life before that.
Wow.
And I talked to my friends, and they were like, oh, that's like depersonalization.
I don't exactly know what happens or what goes on, but it's a pretty common thing, I feel like.
For people who have had a negative experience with THC or something like that.
Or whatever the fuck was in that joint that I had in LA that one time.
joe rogan
Right, you don't know what was in it.
That's true too.
post malone
Maybe it was just fucking LSD or something and it totally just...
It caught me.
But I felt different.
To this day, I still feel different.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
But it could just be THC. This guy, Alex Berenson, wrote a book about it.
It's called Tell Your Children.
It's about how there's a certain percentage of people that, especially with high-dose THC, they can have a schizophrenic break or a psychotic break.
Something goes wrong.
post malone
I used to smoke crazy.
I should smuggle out, like do the volcanoes and all that shit.
That's so fun.
joe rogan
It was so fun.
One time.
post malone
One time.
joe rogan
Wow, that's crazy.
post malone
One time.
joe rogan
Maybe there was something in it.
post malone
I don't know.
joe rogan
You know, when you're just getting a joint from some dude, you don't know the chain of custody.
You don't know what the fuck is.
post malone
No idea.
joe rogan
Where was this cooked up?
post malone
No idea.
joe rogan
Ron White was in the green room at the club one night, and he pulled out this joint.
He goes, this joint cost $75.
I go, what the fuck is that?
He goes, got it from Beverly Hills.
I go, keep that shit the fuck away from me.
So all these other guys smoked it.
Brian Simpson smoked it.
Duncan Trussell smoked it.
And they went on stage.
And Duncan said he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.
He was like, what did you do to me?
I thought it was weed, but they get these joints now in these crazy dispensaries like in LA. It's legal now, so they're lacing them with THC. They got THC crystals in them and Keith in them.
These are not regular joints.
These are for dudes like Like, be real.
Like, the kind of shit that he smokes.
You know?
Shout out to my man Be Real from Cypress Hill.
post malone
This is explicitly for Be Real.
That is the only man who can smoke this drug.
joe rogan
That dude is stone cold, sober, no matter how high he gets.
post malone
That is crazy, man.
A lot of my buddies are like that, too, man.
You have to smoke a lot to...
I feel high.
joe rogan
I can't keep up with those fellas.
I can't keep up with those fellas.
I did a smoke box show where they get you super high and they put you in this dope car and they have cameras in the car and you sit there and just smoke each other.
post malone
You just hotbox the car?
joe rogan
Hotbox the car.
And it's ridiculous.
I was so high.
I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.
I was like, I gotta get out of here.
post malone
I gotta go to bed.
I'm convinced, too, I get secondhand high from my green room.
Oh, you definitely do.
Because my buddy's fucking blowed down.
joe rogan
You definitely do.
I've seen people get secondhand high from me in this room.
I've seen it where all of a sudden they have a hard time remembering what they're talking about.
I go, bro, you got high.
You got high whether you liked it or not.
post malone
Maybe I am high.
joe rogan
Maybe a little bit.
Maybe a touch.
post malone
It's nice.
I had a stint, too, where I tried to smoke, like, maybe two years ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And I was like, it's amazing.
But then, like, just shrooms is, like, for me, like, just so much more fun for me.
joe rogan
Shrooms should be legal.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Because, I mean, if you are, I mean, I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, and if you're vulnerable, there's something wrong with your mind, you probably shouldn't be doing any kind of psychedelics.
But that's the case with a lot of stuff.
But for everybody else, just a little bit, just a little bit every now and then would make your life a little better.
post malone
Well, it's interesting you said that too because now I talk to a bunch of my buddies, you know, who have served and they said, oh, they're giving them...
Psilocybin to help with, like, PTSD and shit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, this shirt that I'm wearing, this is a MAPS shirt, Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.
You know these guys?
And they are doing a lot of great work with that with MDMA, too.
MDMA for soldiers.
And so they're running these trials and these studies with MDMA and soldiers, and they're finding great results.
post malone
Yeah, it's really interesting.
And it's just like, this is literally eating cow shit.
joe rogan
It's nature.
And it's nature that human beings have utilized probably for thousands of years.
And we should get back to it.
post malone
You gotta wonder if that's, I mean, we know why it's not legal.
Because it's going to make people invent tools and have better communication with each other and be more, you know...
joe rogan
But the people that are...
They should listen to this.
The people that are trying to run the world.
You should be doing it too.
Because if you did, it would change your consciousness and it would change your focus and you would still be just as successful.
Don't think you won't be.
You'll still be successful.
You'll be successful under a different metric.
You'll probably feel better.
And you won't have this fucking guilt, this overwhelming guilt of living your life just constantly trying to acquire money by unscrupulous methods.
post malone
Spend your money on shrooms.
joe rogan
You don't even have to spend that much money.
post malone
You just go flip some fucking cow pairs.
joe rogan
They're not that expensive, and if you live in a good spot, they're readily available outside, which is wild.
I'm good, Ben.
Thank you, though.
It's just one of those things that I think nature put here, or we are, and maybe not even by design, but just by...
But whatever it is about us and whatever it is about that, when that chemical interacts with ours, and it's very similar to normal human neurochemistry, apparently, that psilocybin, when it interacts with us, it's very positive for the most part.
Again, unless you have psychological problems.
post malone
Well, that's, I think...
joe rogan
Or on certain medications.
post malone
It made me...
I was so fucking depressed and so fucking sad for so long.
And doing shrooms, it took me out of that.
It made me see shit in such a...
It's not all fucking shitty.
It's not all shitty.
joe rogan
But did it feel all shitty for you even while you were successful?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's weird, right?
post malone
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Because then you have it all, and yet you still feel like shit.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
That confuses a lot of folks.
post malone
Yes, sir.
And especially, I was fucking 18 whenever the shit popped off, and I was like, oh, fuck, man.
I don't know what the fuck to do.
Everybody's looking at me.
And I can't even imagine how a Bieber or a Culkin, or child actors or performers, how you even...
Even your parents...
And I don't want to say anything about those people's parents specifically, or in particular, but...
The parents even then are like, how much money can we make off of this kid?
And you see a lot of YouTube families doing that shit.
It's like, this kid doesn't know what the fuck is going on here.
He doesn't know what's going on here.
You're just monetizing your cute kid.
You know what I mean?
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It is weird.
post malone
And that's why even when I had my baby, you see a lot of the time people are like, first thing that happens, baby gets...
Baby fresh out of the coochie, right?
And then right to Instagram or Twitter or whatever, here's my new fucking baby!
Like, no shit.
And like, the kid doesn't know what the fuck is happening, so like, whenever they're older, they'll be like, oh, I saw your ass when you were a baby.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's like, it's just like, but I remember I pulled, I got to, I had the pleasure and the privilege to pull my baby out.
And I was like, oh, fuck.
This is like, like, had all, it's like, scrubbed up so, it was crazy.
And I'm like, you know what, you can, in this world that we live in right now, where everything is based off of a social currency and a like or a heart metric on Any platform, I'm going to let you fucking decide whenever you want to do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a great way to do it.
I feel like people are just so entrenched in this idea that you have to share every aspect of your life and use that aspect of your life as a thing to get likes.
That's what's weird.
When they invented likes...
Boy, did they fucking hotwire our brain.
They lockpicked our brain, son.
post malone
And they took away dislikes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did.
Isn't that wild?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's wild, too.
That's wild, too.
post malone
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
It is wild.
post malone
I think about that all the time.
I'm like, ha!
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
I don't know.
post malone
To be nice?
joe rogan
I don't think it's...
You know, look, you're going to get people that gang up on folks.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
You're going to get people that weaponize that.
But that's also a way to indicate whether or not people like it or don't like it.
post malone
I mean, that's the way to indicate whether people like it or don't like it.
joe rogan
Are you saying I can only like it?
unidentified
Yeah, wait.
joe rogan
I can like it or ignore it.
post malone
So, like, then you can, by that, you know, gauge, you can tell if people really like the video.
Say the video gets a hundred million, or let's just say a million views.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
And then, like, oh, a thousand people like this?
Oh, they didn't really like that.
joe rogan
Right, that's weird.
Right, why did it get so many views?
post malone
Then you can kind of just subtract the amount of likes versus the views and then be like, well...
joe rogan
Well, there's always hate-liking or hate-watching.
People do a lot of hate-watching.
They do a lot of watching shit they hate.
post malone
I'm a little guilty of that.
You've seen the new NPC trend?
joe rogan
What is the new NPC trend?
post malone
All right, so maybe...
Jamie, would you call it...
joe rogan
I know what an NPC is.
It is so...
post malone
It is crazy, dude.
joe rogan
Is it the memes?
post malone
It is the TikTok of people that will livestream for hours of doing and so they'll just stay in like a stance like this.
joe rogan
Oh, so they act like they're a video player.
post malone
And then whenever someone gives them money or something, like on TikTok, they'll react to it in like a way, and they'll do it for hours.
joe rogan
Oh, I saw this young, pretty girl that was doing that.
post malone
It is crazy.
joe rogan
And everybody was going, what is going on?
Like, what is this?
post malone
It is crazy.
Like, ice cream's so good.
Ice cream's so good.
Ice cream's so good.
And I'm like, wow.
This is kind of crazy.
joe rogan
What is that?
It's crazy.
Does she ever break character or does she just keep doing that?
jamie vernon
I don't remember her name.
I was trying to find her.
I was going through a few different things.
post malone
I think she only breaks character to like...
unidentified
I remember her kid came in on one of those streams and she was like, what are you doing?
Get out of here!
post malone
That's hilarious.
But now it's not just her.
It's like a thing.
joe rogan
Whoa.
post malone
And I went, thank you, sir.
jamie vernon
Here's the one that got viral first.
Pinky Doll is her name.
joe rogan
And she reveals staggering earnings.
post malone
And they're making cash.
joe rogan
Wow.
And this is the one.
unidentified
Gang gang.
Oh, special.
Gang gang.
Ra, ra, ra.
Gang gang.
Gang gang.
Wow.
post malone
It's crazy!
joe rogan
That's so strange.
post malone
It's crazy!
joe rogan
But she is really hot in that house.
That's why that works.
Let's not pretend.
If she was gross, that lady's beautiful.
So when she does that, people are like, what does she do?
Get her to lick her lips.
jamie vernon
$7,000 a day.
joe rogan
$7,000 a day.
That's pretty damn good.
post malone
How long did she do it for?
Did it say on there?
joe rogan
48 hours in a row.
unidentified
She's doing math.
joe rogan
This was a three-week binge.
post malone
She didn't sleep.
It's actually...
joe rogan
What is it?
post malone
The Russian sleep experiment or whatever the hell?
joe rogan
Oh, right, right, right.
post malone
But just some NPC streamers.
joe rogan
What did they figure out from that?
Like, what is the limit of the human body where you can go without sleep?
post malone
Well, I don't know if that experiment was real.
Because you hear the story about it.
Like, you know the one where they're like, I don't know if it's just like a creepypasta or whatever, when they did the sleep experiment.
What happened?
jamie vernon
Wiki says it's a creepypasta.
post malone
Yeah, it's a creepypasta.
joe rogan
What is a creepypasta?
post malone
It's like a creepy story.
Like a scary story.
joe rogan
Just a story that people tell, but it's not real.
post malone
But I wonder if...
joe rogan
Oh, isn't that like they murdered each other or something like that?
post malone
Yeah, they started murdering everybody.
So they say, in the story.
It's a story.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
That makes sense that it's not real.
post malone
Did they ever really push that?
If they did, they probably won't talk about it.
It's so inhumane.
Well, you think about, fuck, they're gonna kill me.
Like MKUltra and all that shit, man.
joe rogan
I was about to go there.
post malone
All that shit.
Yeah.
I'll let you talk about it.
I just know what it is, but I don't know anything about it.
joe rogan
It's a real program that the CIA was running where they were experimenting with people with LSD to find out what LSD did.
And they wanted to know, like, how can we use it?
Can we use it to interrogate our enemies?
Can we use it as a truth serum?
What can we do with it?
post malone
By the way, guys, I have no idea what this stuff is.
joe rogan
There you go.
And what they did was they started experimenting and not just the United States.
They did it with British soldiers, too, in the 1950s.
There's a video of these British soldiers that they gave them acid.
See if you can find that, because it's a wild video.
These dudes, they just dosed them up and had them running through the woods.
They're like...
post malone
How do you...
So do you have, like, manhunters on that?
You ever watch that show, Manhunter?
joe rogan
What is that?
post malone
He's like the guy that, like, he's like, alright, if you can hide, I'm the best tracker in the world.
If you can hide from me on my horse.
But how do they keep track of what they did in the woods?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
How do they, Jamie?
jamie vernon
What, in this case?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
They filmed them.
joe rogan
Right, so they just...
post malone
But what if they went super deep?
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
How do they keep track of them?
Keep them from just going on an acid marathon?
jamie vernon
He's brisket, I think.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, they didn't give a fuck about these dudes.
They were going to send these dudes in front of bullets.
I mean, this is the fucking right after storm on the beach at Normandy days.
You know, these are wild times, man.
People just ran into gunfire back then.
They were different men.
post malone
Are these guys all on acid right now?
jamie vernon
Yeah, watch them start laughing.
joe rogan
They can't stop laughing.
So they're soldiers and they're sitting there doing their job, but they can't stop laughing.
They're just tripping balls.
And then later, there's some footage of them in the woods.
They took them to the woods afterwards.
Or maybe there's...
I think this might be a different one, because I have not seen this one.
But I think they did it with a bunch of people.
And they did it at Harvard.
Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, he was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.
post malone
He was a participant.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
No shit.
joe rogan
They dosed that dude up with acid.
post malone
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, they dosed him up with acid.
And then he was, you know, he had a- Did that guy have a rifle?
unidentified
Yeah, so these are the guys- They can't give a dude with a rifle LSD. But yet they did.
joe rogan
Look at these dudes.
They got cameras and fucking- What is he?
He's holding onto his headphones.
They can't stop laughing.
post malone
He's trying to put the headphones on the tree.
joe rogan
They can't stop laughing.
Look, looks like a great drug.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And they were like, okay, this has no military purpose at all.
We cannot use this.
This is exactly the opposite of what we want.
post malone
What did they do?
Chop it?
They're chopping it?
joe rogan
Are they chopping a tree?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
This guy's climbing a fucking tree.
He's out of his mind.
post malone
Why do they have firearms?
joe rogan
Because they're army guys.
post malone
That's crazy, though!
joe rogan
Yeah, British Marines.
1964, that was.
What the CIA was doing is they were experimenting with prostitutes.
So what they would do is they would set up a brothel, and they would have these guys go in to try to get with the prostitute, and the prostitute was a CIA agent.
She would give them a drink that was laced with acid, and they would watch these guys through two-way mirrors.
post malone
That's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were just trying to figure out what does acid do?
post malone
And it was just totally unsuspecting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's mind control experiments.
There's definitely something going on with Charles Manson, and that's the Tom O'Neill book, Chaos.
It's a great book about MKUltra and the role that these guys that were running that program, that they interacted with Manson.
They interacted with him in prison, and they think that...
been the people that were supplying him with the acid, or he was using it to manipulate those kids.
And the whole thing was to discredit the anti-war movement.
They were trying to develop this attitude in America that hippies are dangerous and murderous.
And these people that are like, stop the war, these people are, they're a threat.
And so one of the ways they did it was this high profile guy, Charles Manson, and they take this guy and they taught him how to run a fucking cult when he was in prison, most likely.
post malone
What was he in prison for beforehand?
joe rogan
Oh, he's been in prison his whole life.
Where's he from?
That's a good question.
I don't know where Manson was from.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
But the book Chaos, I can't recommend it enough.
It's fucking incredible.
The guy worked on it for 20 years.
I've talked about it a hundred times in the podcast.
If you listened to it before, I'm sorry.
But that guy, who is my friend Greg's neighbor, my friend Greg Fitzsimmons, he was this guy's neighbor like 20 years ago when he was working on this.
And he got hired to write a story about the anniversary of the Tate-LaBianca murders.
And when he got hired to write that story, he started finding all these inconsistencies in the story.
And so he started doing, like, real journalism.
And it's just, like, he went on a deep dive, like, way too long.
And he wrote it for 20 fucking years.
And finally, they got together, they helped him with an editor, and they put it all together, and they put together this book.
This book is insane.
It's insane.
post malone
Yeah, dude.
It's...
I don't know.
That's such a crazy...
It's so crazy.
And the thing about...
I don't know if it's harder to pull the wool over people's eyes now rather than then.
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know either.
post malone
Because there's so many different...
Like, we were talking about the news.
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
You know, you go on the news and you get caught in this...
It's like a perpetual...
It's a wheel.
You know what I mean?
And you just keep getting...
Especially now, due to the algorithms that we have, you just keep getting fed the same information to, like, perpetuate what you want to learn about and what they want you to know about.
But back then...
It wasn't as accessible.
So I wonder if it was harder back then to like trick the populace into believing something than it is now.
joe rogan
I think it was probably easier.
Because I think they probably had more respect for institutions because they didn't have the access to them that we have now.
Like, think about what a president was like back then.
Presidents openly had affairs.
No one reported on it.
They were just revered figures.
It was a different thing.
Like, when Kennedy was the president, sure, definitely people hated him, especially Republicans.
A lot of people hated him for the Bay of Pigs, but the press didn't hate him.
You know, everybody knew who he was.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
That's not the case today.
The world is such a hostile place today.
We don't have respect for institutions anymore.
We don't have respect for mainstream media for a lot of fucking reasons.
We don't have respect for mainstream news.
We look at them like, alright, maybe this is real.
We don't look at it like this is the unbiased...
post malone
You take everything with that grain of salt.
Exactly.
joe rogan
And we know that there's deep political agendas in reporting any story, in the perspective, the editorializing of these perspectives.
It's just there's a lot of what humans are is what we're getting influenced by and When you're getting influenced by propaganda and horseshit all the time It has an effect on you whether you like it or not It might not be a hundred percent effective But it has some sort of an effect on you where you're willing to let these people who are just people They're no different than you and no different than me.
But you'll let them talk to you and talk to us as if they are in control of us.
And that is not supposed to be how America works.
And that's just a natural human power structure thing that we've had since we were tribal creatures.
It's a natural inclination to want to be that and want to do that.
But we have to protect against that at all costs.
Because just because it seems like you would like those things to be implemented because they fit your perspective and your worldview, the problem is now there's tools in place for tyrants.
And now there's tools in place for people who don't share your perspective and don't have a charitable view of human beings and are ruthless and maybe psychotic.
post malone
But that's the beginning of it all, too.
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
It's been happening.
Like Nero and fucking just...
joe rogan
Exactly.
post malone
Rome was super, like, everything.
You look at, like...
Everything, it was a republic, you know, like, everybody was, everybody had a vote, everybody had a say, everybody, but the guys who were running, well, everybody was drinking from lead, and everybody was like, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, they had lead drinking vessels, they didn't know about lead poisoning.
post malone
And this dude built this statue, like, fucking 100 feet tall of himself.
And then Rome set on fucking fire, and it's crazy.
And that's just been happening, and it's been repeating forever.
joe rogan
Forever.
post malone
And I don't know exactly how long, but history repeats itself, and then you look at a cycle of how civilizations come and...
And go this way, and it's just like, I don't know.
joe rogan
I know.
When I was a kid, I used to think about America that way.
When I was a kid, I was like, well, you know, you read about ancient Greece and ancient Rome and these great civilizations that they fell.
Like, what happened?
Did they see it coming?
And I was like, would I see it coming?
Would I know it was coming?
Is it going to happen to us?
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
We don't want to ever think it could happen to us, because we're on the top.
We're number eight.
unidentified
Come on!
joe rogan
We're fucking America!
post malone
But we're the youngest fucking country in the fucking world.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it can happen to us.
You've got to be real careful that we don't become just like all these ones that we talk about when we say, boy, be glad you're not living in that place.
Because places go through cycles.
Some places are amazing, and then they get invaded.
Some places, you know...
post malone
Well, look at Atlantis!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's probably...
That one's probably an ocean thing.
post malone
Yeah, that's probably...
That's Mama Nature coming in.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's probably an impact thing.
post malone
Do you believe in Atlantis, Joe Rogan?
unidentified
Yes, I do.
joe rogan
Yes, I do.
The thing was a real place.
post malone
You talked about the younger...
joe rogan
Dryas.
post malone
Dryas.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And I was watching a thing recently, actually, about...
How they think that the Egyptians just found the pyramids and the Sphinx and how you can see the Younger Dryas affecting the Sphinx and the pyramids like that and how that shit happened.
I'm not fully as encompassed as you, I'm sure, because I just now learned about the Younger Dryas.
joe rogan
Well, for sure.
This is what you can say for sure, because this gets people very upset.
post malone
Does it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
But I don't know why, but you have to kind of say a few things.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
One thing is that for sure the Egyptians made it because it was in Egypt.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, it's just different.
Yes, sir.
I think what we're saying is they're people from a different era.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
And this is the whole proposal that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have.
Yes, sir.
Like with that Younger Drives Impact Theory.
People get crazy about this and they think it's- Well, I didn't mean to offend anybody if I did.
No, you definitely didn't.
But there's people that call it a racist theory.
It's very strange.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's real weird.
And they've applied that to Graham Hancock and it's ridiculous.
It doesn't make any sense.
He's not saying anything about the race of the people that did it.
It's about time.
The whole issue is about time.
And what they believe is that somewhere around 11,800 years ago, and probably a couple other times, we got obliterated by comet impacts.
Comet fragments slammed into the Earth, and there's a lot of evidence of this.
Physical evidence of iridium, levels of iridium, nanodiamonds that happen on impact.
This shit is all over the world.
You could find giant craters in places, like Greenland, and there's places where 100% they got obliterated by a giant chunk of something.
What they believe is that this ended the Ice Age, and this is what caused all the melting of the ice caps that were above North America, and that's where all this massive flooding came from, and that's where the Great Lakes come from.
And he thinks that it was a civilization-ending event where very few people survived, and they essentially had to rebuild from there.
And so the amazing society that built the pyramids, whoever those people were, By the time this Younger Dryas Impact thing happens, who knows what kind of civilization they had at that point?
Sure.
But they might have been far more advanced than us.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Just in a different way.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
And for sure they knew how to move stone in a way we still don't understand.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We have no idea how the fuck they did that.
No idea how they made 2,300,000 stones meet perfectly at the top and then covered in smooth limestone.
It's fucking insane.
post malone
And channel energy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it feels...
post malone
And vibrate inside of the pyramid to channel fucking energy.
joe rogan
Who knows what they were doing when they built that?
post malone
It's crazy.
And I didn't mean to offend anyone.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
I shouldn't have said it the way I saw.
post malone
No, not at all.
joe rogan
I just wanted to clarify because it's a weird thing that people keep saying.
post malone
Because I just learned about this.
And watching videos about it and...
Learning about all this stuff, first off, take everything with a grain of salt, of course.
But then it's like, fuck, it's fucking actually crazy.
And now there's...
Is there xenon on Mars?
joe rogan
What is xenon?
post malone
The xenon...
There's a chemical that...
So the soil on Mars is supposedly...
Enriched with xenon enough to, like, it's like, don't let me, I'll just throw out an arbitrary number.
A thousand megatons of nuclear, it comes from nuclear explosions.
What?
That's where it comes from?
They said that the soil on Mars is super packed with it.
unidentified
Yo, imagine if Mars was like a war on Mars.
joe rogan
Imagine.
They just obliterated the whole planet.
post malone
How do you feel about the face?
joe rogan
The problem with the face is it was a very low resolution camera and it was convenient.
And then when they went over it a second time, it's weird in the shape of it, but it didn't look like a face anymore.
post malone
So how do you feel about NASA having its own photoshopping?
joe rogan
Do they?
post malone
There's people at NASA that photoshopped.
You look at a picture of Mars, what color do you think it is?
joe rogan
It's like a dusty tan.
post malone
It's like orange.
Would you pull up the real pictures of Mars, what they actually look like without the fucking filter on them?
Am I crazy?
joe rogan
Check it out!
Well, isn't it like Earth where there's different spots that have different color ground?
post malone
I don't know.
So you look at pictures of Mars from like 20 to 30 years ago or whatever, and then you look at pictures of Mars now, they are drastically different because people caught on to like, why are you throwing a filter on Mars?
joe rogan
So they were changing the color of Mars?
post malone
It doesn't look like that, yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
I'll pull up the photos I'm seeing and you direct me to what it is.
post malone
Look at that one.
Look at that one.
jamie vernon
Like this one?
post malone
No, the first one.
This one?
No, the third one.
Sorry, sir.
jamie vernon
Oh, like on the ground.
joe rogan
The ground.
post malone
Look at the sky there.
Look at the ground there.
And then look at the second one even for in fact.
There's an orange tint to everything on every picture that we've ever seen of it.
But then if you look at it, look up maybe Mars without the orange filter.
joe rogan
But the lunar module doesn't look orange.
Look at the lunar module.
It's pure white.
post malone
It's just a filter.
It's not pure white.
joe rogan
Okay.
post malone
Look at that.
Like, that looks just like Earth.
It looks like a place on Earth.
That could be a place on Earth, totally.
joe rogan
Right.
Except for the sky is a little fucked up looking.
unidentified
Let's do NASA Photoshop.
post malone
I don't know.
What do you call like a...
I keep saying branch, but it's like...
jamie vernon
Well, I do know that just one way to explain some of it is that a lot of the photos they get from the telescopes are like not actual, you know, like with these cameras, it's not just taking a photo.
post malone
Sure.
jamie vernon
It's taking data that has to be compiled into a photo.
Sure.
post malone
Are these not from the rover though?
jamie vernon
They are.
post malone
I'm talking about like landscape photos.
joe rogan
But wouldn't it make sense that Mars looks different in different spots?
And wouldn't it make sense that it looks different with different conditions?
post malone
It certainly does.
joe rogan
Well, not that.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
A photo like that, for instance, can't be taken normally.
post malone
Right, right.
But like the landscape photos.
It looks like a space monkey.
joe rogan
It looks like a space monkey.
Look at that.
He's chill.
post malone
That dude's chill as fuck.
joe rogan
Is that a real photo, Jamie?
That picture looks like a space monkey.
The picture that you just had up?
unidentified
Look at that.
He's cool.
post malone
That's your new logo.
jamie vernon
It says, Photoshop NASA photos give new life to outer space imagery.
post malone
Yeah, they turn into a monkey.
That's not real, right?
jamie vernon
So if you were one of these NASA Photoshop people, you would manipulate the photos in a little bit of a way to make them look a little more extraordinary.
unidentified
Well, that seems like lying.
post malone
No, it's crazy.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to use the right words here because I can take a photo of you, Joe, and make it look, you know, or both of you.
post malone
Could you put the handsome filter on?
jamie vernon
You can make Photoshop make it look away.
It didn't really look to anybody's eyes in the room.
post malone
Right.
jamie vernon
But you can just tweak some things without adding really anything.
You're just tweaking...
The light off the sensors.
But there are ways you can go way further with it.
post malone
Alright, so I've been...
I mean, you can fucking trust YouTube as far as you can throw it.
But looking at photos of...
Recent photos of Mars...
And it could be camera.
It could be camera.
joe rogan
Well, if you look at a photo from, like, a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 versus a photo.
post malone
But it still doesn't change the color.
It does a little bit.
jamie vernon
Here's one, maybe.
So the first one on the left is unprocessed.
unidentified
That's what they, okay, all right, so then they take the, okay.
joe rogan
Oh, that's weird.
post malone
I don't even know.
jamie vernon
But this is also what you do for, like, filming a movie.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
jamie vernon
Out of the camera, it looks kind of like shit, and you have to...
joe rogan
But is it calibrated for accuracy?
post malone
But why are they trying to make it look like a movie?
joe rogan
Because they're bullshitting us, bro.
jamie vernon
That also could be what we're used to seeing, and it just gives it better context.
I'm not the one doing it, so I'm just trying to, like, think like them.
post malone
And is there xenon on Mars?
jamie vernon
There is xenon, but I couldn't figure out how much.
But there's definitely articles about evidence of xenon.
joe rogan
Look!
post malone
Evidence for NASA! Oh, that's fucking...
jamie vernon
Isotopes.
joe rogan
Evidence for large nuclear reactor on Mars past?
unidentified
I don't know what that is.
post malone
There's a lot of smart words here.
jamie vernon
I was skipping that.
post malone
Bro, that's NASA. Harvard.edu.
That sounds very smart.
NASA sounds really smart.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Evidence for large natural nuclear reactor in Mars past.
Why are they saying natural?
They're just guessing.
They don't want to say that maybe it was a civilization that nuked itself into oblivion.
post malone
Maybe so.
joe rogan
Yeah, but why else would they say natural?
jamie vernon
Compounding the mysteries to the fact that Mars is a surface layer of elevated levels of uranium and thorium.
I don't know what that means.
joe rogan
Bro, they nuked the whole planet.
post malone
Imagine.
joe rogan
They were fighting over some fucking border town, just like us, and they went fucking postal.
post malone
How crazy would that be?
How do you nuke a cloud of gas, though?
Because that's what aliens are.
No, I don't know.
joe rogan
You want to know something crazy?
You know how much a cloud weighs?
How much do you think of cloud weighs?
An average cloud.
post malone
What do you consider average?
joe rogan
Yeah, just a big pluff.
Just like a big fluffy one.
post malone
20 pounds.
joe rogan
A million.
post malone
Fuck.
I was way off.
joe rogan
A million pounds.
I just found that out.
I was like, that's insane.
I'd rather get paid a million pounds than 20. The density of the water that's in the clouds, if you actually could extract it and weigh it.
Yeah, look at that.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
A cubic kilometer cloud contains 1 billion cubic meters, doing the math, 1 billion times 0.5, 500 million grams of water droplets in our cloud.
That's about 500,000 kilograms or 1.1 million pounds.
post malone
Imagine it just fell.
joe rogan
Whoosh!
post malone
It just fell, like, hard.
It became solidified and just fucking fell.
joe rogan
A giant hailstone.
post malone
That'd be fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Bro, some hail was ridiculous.
Seeing people getting pelted by, like, golf balls.
Like, you ever seen that video of these people filming from their backyard?
And you see the hail hitting the pool?
And it's like they're getting attacked by aliens.
post malone
It's crazy.
This was...
They just...
We just had this in Utah.
jamie vernon
That's right.
joe rogan
A monsoon?
post malone
A monsoon in Utah!
joe rogan
Wow.
post malone
It's a great song name.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
post malone
That's a great song name.
joe rogan
Utah monsoon.
post malone
Yeah, that's a great song name.
joe rogan
Monsoon in Utah.
post malone
It was...
My dad...
I wasn't there, but my dad said it was like the craziest storm he's ever been in.
joe rogan
This is the monsoon?
jamie vernon
This was in Utah, though, but this was Tucson a couple weeks ago.
But here's the storm rolling in.
post malone
Arizona.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Look at that thing rolling in.
jamie vernon
It just dumps here in a second.
Covers the whole screen.
post malone
Those are the darkest, that's like fucking Mordor clouds.
joe rogan
Totally, that's Sauron.
Look at the rain coming down.
unidentified
Jesus Christ, dude.
joe rogan
Holy fuck, man.
That's insane.
post malone
That is insane.
joe rogan
That's insane.
post malone
If that's not fucking apocalyptic, dude, I don't know what the fuck is.
joe rogan
That's crazy, dude.
I was in Miami once.
post malone
This guy doesn't seem to care, though.
He doesn't mind.
He's like, whatever, this shit happens all the time.
joe rogan
He's acquiring data.
I was in Miami once and we were driving down the highway and the whole highway had to stop because the rain was so hard you couldn't see in front of you.
The whole highway just stopped dead.
Just dumped rain on us.
It lasted for like four minutes and then it went away.
But for four minutes the entire highway was stopped.
You couldn't see a foot in front of your windshield.
It was just...
It was fucking wild!
Like, this is crazy!
These people are dealing with some wild shit down here!
It never rains like that.
post malone
How long do you hang out on the side of the road for?
joe rogan
We were in the middle of the highway.
We had to stay there.
It was several minutes.
post malone
Oh, you just sat in your lane?
joe rogan
Yeah, you had to stay in your lane.
Everybody on the highway stopped.
Bro, you couldn't see jack shit.
You couldn't see the front of your car.
It was insane.
It just dumped and took off.
And you're like, okay.
And then it was back to normal.
But it gives you a little heads up, like, hey, you know, you ain't shit.
post malone
Not shit.
joe rogan
You ain't shit.
This fucking whole planet has some gigantic destructive forces that you could never stop.
So when you're on the highway and it rolls through, just be lucky you don't have a fucking convertible.
Shut your mouth and just sit there and deal.
post malone
Put that top on quick.
unidentified
You never put that top on.
joe rogan
Oh my god, your car would be filled with water.
You'd be in a fishbowl.
post malone
Hail, dude.
Moving to Texas, we had a lot of hail.
And it would just fucking come and fucking...
We had to go put a...
There was a baler, and so we would go use their parking garage whenever it would hail.
joe rogan
So your window's going to get smashed in.
post malone
Yeah, because it's crazy.
Yeah, fuck your car up.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
See if you can find the video, Jamie, of hailstorm in swimming pool.
It's bananas.
It's like they're getting attacked.
It's like missiles are coming in into their swimming pool.
It's fucking bananas.
post malone
Where is that?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
I want to say it was Ohio.
post malone
Jamie, why you pull that up?
Can I 10-1?
joe rogan
Texas.
post malone
Can I 10-1?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
post malone
Sorry, guys.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
Look at this, though.
This is fucking hail.
post malone
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
That poor cow.
joe rogan
That poor cow.
jamie vernon
That's pretty good though.
joe rogan
That cow's getting lit up.
That swimming pool is getting rocked.
post malone
That's insane.
joe rogan
We'll pause you real quick.
I'll tinkle too.
We'll be right back folks.
And we're back.
So you say you got into archery or you tried it?
post malone
I tried it.
I tried it.
Yes sir.
joe rogan
Where'd you go?
post malone
I was in France.
So I was in France working on the wine.
And we were at the vineyard, and we were like, let's shoot some bows.
So we had some French archers come out.
And they had, like, they had a compound, and they had, like, just another, like...
joe rogan
Recurve bow?
post malone
Like, traditional, like, yeah.
And...
Joe Rogan, that is hard to do.
joe rogan
It's not easy to do.
post malone
It is not easy to do at all.
And they want you to go forward.
Do you go forward when you shoot?
joe rogan
No.
They told you to go forward?
post malone
Yeah.
Maybe it was with like...
joe rogan
Was it a...
post malone
Like an old oak bow.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
A long bow?
post malone
Yeah.
So they like told you to go forward whenever.
To help your aim.
joe rogan
Interesting.
post malone
Which seems counterintuitive because you don't want to really move when you're...
joe rogan
Well, the whole thing about those old bows, whether it's a recurve or a long bow, is that it's much more of a feel thing.
You have to practice with them a lot, almost like throwing a rock.
If you throw a rock...
Or a baseball is a better example.
When you throw a baseball, you know how far, how much energy you have to put into that throw in order to get into that strike zone if you're throwing a pitch, right?
So that's like a knowledge of how much force and how you can aim.
This is the same thing applies to arrows.
You shoot enough arrows, you know like where you have to hold.
Thank you, sir.
At what distance when you're releasing an arrow because you know the arc of that It's feel.
It's feel.
Compound archery, what I do, is very different.
It's much more calculated.
I have a range finder.
It's on me 52 yards.
I dial it on my sight to 52 yards.
My pin moves up and down.
And then I'm holding...
post malone
So do you have Picatinny on your bow?
joe rogan
Oh, Picatinny rail in the front?
Yes, I do.
post malone
Cool.
So you put like an aim point on your bow or something?
joe rogan
That's where the sight comes out of.
The sight is slightly to the left.
post malone
What optic are you using?
joe rogan
Well, I don't use an optic.
It's just a clear hole, like a tube with a fiber optic pin in it.
post malone
Okay.
joe rogan
And that fiber optic pin is the indicator that tells you what yardage, like if it's up or down, right?
So if it's up, that means it's a close shot.
If it's down, very low, that means it's a long shot.
So it's the arc of the arrow over a course of time, and it's all calculated on this thing called Archer's Advantage, which is a computer program.
post malone
Okay.
joe rogan
So you put in the speed of the bow, the weight of the arrow, all these different factors, and you put it in and it'll give you a sight tape.
post malone
Nerd.
joe rogan
Yeah, super nerd.
And then you take this sight tape and you dial it into 20 yards.
Once you know where 20 yards is, you've got that indicator mark, you mark it off, and then you put the tape down.
And then once you put that tape down, you're good to go to like 100 yards, 110 yards, wherever you want.
post malone
You just do your hold there.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Just hold where that pin is.
It's a much easier way of shooting a bow than traditional.
post malone
But do you have a laser rangefinder?
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
Who makes a rangefinder?
joe rogan
Oh, a shit ton of companies.
post malone
Is it the same as like a like a firearm rangefinder on a bow?
joe rogan
Yes, very similar.
A lot of the same companies like, you know, Vortex, they make a great rangefinder.
I use a Leupold Full Draw 5 because it actually tells you, you put in the arrow speed and all these different factors, and it actually shows you the arc of the arrow in the rangefinder.
So like if I'm trying to shoot an elk, Through a pocket in the trees, it's like this big, and I'm 35 yards away.
I have to know that my arrow's not going to hit the upper branches.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
So I can, because at the height of the arrow, it's higher than when it's going to drop down.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So you're putting the pin where it wants to drop down.
But it might be like way up here when it's at 5 yards, 10 yards, 15 yards.
And then it's going to drop down into that spot exactly where you want it to go.
So this rangefinder.
unidentified
How big is it?
joe rogan
How big is what?
post malone
The rangefinder.
joe rogan
It's little.
It's like a phone.
Phone size.
So that's it right there.
So I have a, like I said, it's called a Leupold Full Draw 5. But I have a Vortex one that's great too, it just doesn't have that thing.
The reason why I use the Full Draw 5 is that line is gigantic if you're shooting through obstacles and through branches.
Because a lot of times an elk will be in an opening.
Like there's two trees, and they're like five feet wide, but there's like this one branch that's above him, and that's it.
See?
So that line right there, it shows you the height of the arrow.
So like right there, in my mind, I would think that could hit that branch.
post malone
And is that your hold there?
Are you aiming for that spot?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The hold is where the crosshairs are.
And what that's indicative, that line at the top, is indicative of the very height of your arrow when it's at its highest point.
So that was a long shot.
That's 78 yards.
It's a little unethical.
A little unethical.
It's a long poke for a deer, but real elite archers can do it.
If you're like a Cam Haines, that's a shot that he can take.
post malone
Unethical because you might hit him in the knee or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, I might fuck that shot up.
I wouldn't take that shot.
But I would on a big animal, like a buffalo or something like that.
The vitals are this big.
post malone
Have you ever shot or what do you call it?
Shooting?
joe rogan
Archery?
post malone
Like what do you say?
Shooting?
Have you ever shot under like night vision and nods and stuff?
joe rogan
No, that would be wild.
Do you have a pair?
I do.
You'd have a hard time seeing like you wouldn't hold see like the thing about archery is and it's one of the beautiful things about it is like everything's repeatable like you you have to have perfect form so like when I come to full draw My string touches the tip of my nose.
The D loop is in the corner of my mouth.
post malone
Does it ever fuck you up?
joe rogan
My knuckle is exactly where my jaw lines up.
That's where my knuckle sits.
It's a repeatable point.
If I have nods on, it's not gonna work.
You can't even do it with glasses.
I don't even like it with glasses on.
It feels weird.
I have to be lined up with that string.
And when I'm lined up with that string, I don't think about a fucking thing in the world.
All I think about is releasing a perfect arrow.
That's all I'm thinking about.
I'm not thinking about taxes.
I need gas.
I've got to fucking get my car inspected.
post malone
I've got to buy more arrows.
joe rogan
I'm not thinking about any of those things.
All I'm thinking of is that spot that I'm aiming at.
And I think there's a mind-cleansing thing that comes from that.
post malone
And the release of it.
It's gotta feel, like, so fucking good.
Like, because I tried...
The hardest part for me was getting that...
joe rogan
Bow back?
post malone
And holding it.
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
Holding that string.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Like, that was the hard...
It takes a lot of shoulder.
It takes a lot of arm.
joe rogan
My body's imbalanced.
The right side of my body is thicker.
Like, all the way down my lats, my upper delts.
Everything is much thicker on this side because I pull a bow back...
Fucking hundred times a day.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Every day.
It's like these muscles.
I really have to balance it out.
I feel it sometimes.
post malone
See, I have the same thing but from jacking off.
joe rogan
Just switch hands.
The stranger.
post malone
The old stranger.
It's hard, man.
After that experience, I was like, you know what?
And plus, the first couple times shooting, were you scared?
joe rogan
Of shooting a bow?
Yeah.
post malone
Because that is so snappy and when I was a kid I had like a little fake bow and that's why I get the wrist guard.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Because that shit comes and it blew my arm up.
post malone
It blew my arm up.
joe rogan
We should see what compound bows do.
Compound bow.
So if you're pulling back like an 80-pound bow and you have all this force on those cams, when that string comes and fucking slices against your forearm, people get some gnarly fucking bruises there.
It looks nasty.
post malone
Yeah, mine broke skin.
It was like bleed.
It was like, dude, it was...
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to learn proper form.
Proper form, proper stance.
That never happens to me anymore.
post malone
I couldn't think of a better teacher.
joe rogan
You gotta get a real archery coach.
post malone
He just turned me away.
Joe Rogan turned me away for archery lessons.
joe rogan
I would 100% give you archery lessons.
I have a range right here.
post malone
I do.
joe rogan
I have a fucking 40-yard range.
post malone
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Right here.
post malone
Who makes the best bow?
joe rogan
They're all really good at the highest level.
I shoot with a Hoyt, but there's a company called PSE. They make a great bow.
There's a company called Matthews.
They make a great bow.
Bear makes a great bow.
If you're going to survive in the archery world, the archery world is very unique in that there's yearly innovation.
So Hoyt puts out new bows every year.
post malone
It's like an iPhone.
joe rogan
Engineers that are constantly tweaking things and they have pro staff guys like Cam Haynes is a professional archer.
Those guys, they all work.
post malone
Sweet man too.
joe rogan
He's the best.
He's the nicest guy on earth, right?
But those guys give them feedback and talk about, this is what I like, this is what I want, can you change this, can you change that?
And then every year they get a little better.
Every fucking year they get like incrementally better.
post malone
Do you run like a weight on yours?
unidentified
Yes.
post malone
Is that what those long things are?
unidentified
Stabilizers.
post malone
Are the stabilizers on there?
joe rogan
When you have a weight out front, it keeps balance a little bit better.
post malone
And this is hard too.
Not to fucking mention pulling the string.
joe rogan
Keeping your arms straight.
post malone
It's heavy.
It's not light.
joe rogan
No.
You have to develop a certain amount of rigidity in your form.
Form is important.
Yeah, that comes from practice.
You just have to practice a lot.
Archery is one of those things where you really...
My friend John Dudley, who's one of the best archery coaches alive...
He practices hours every day.
He puts it up on his Instagram, puts his little lessons up on his YouTube.
He's shooting arrows out in his yard.
He's a giant range.
It goes out to like 150 yards or something.
And he's shooting out there every day.
Hours and hours and hours a day.
That's why he's so good.
There's no shortcuts to figuring out how to be good at that.
It just takes constant, repetitive practice over and over again, focus and technique.
post malone
So what do you think of those guys that can shoot like three arrows?
joe rogan
It's pretty wild.
post malone
It's cool.
joe rogan
It is fucking super cool.
post malone
It's cool.
Look, there's a guy that like- Lars Anderson.
Yeah, he's so sick!
joe rogan
I think he's revitalized that whole idea.
Because I think for a long time they thought that people carried arrows in their quiver and they pulled one out.
And he's like, no, there's a lot of ancient depictions.
post malone
The treatises.
joe rogan
In ancient times of guys holding three or four arrows in their hand.
And he thinks that's what they did.
post malone
I mean, that's what's so interesting.
You look at Hema.
Like, the European martial arts or whatever, and they get in the armor with the training swords and shit, and they're like, all they can do is interpret these treatises that they had, and the shit that they wrote down, like all the different guards and the way that they would actually fight.
Right.
Because there's no video.
There's no real tutorial on how to do it.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
You have to interpret this stuff.
joe rogan
Good luck finding a dude who's won a sword fight, too.
post malone
Yeah, exactly.
Who can teach you.
It's crazy.
I've never met a dude who's won a sword fight before.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
You know, with what's going on now with slap fighting, that's next.
post malone
Oh, that's next.
joe rogan
They'll do it in a dungeon in Germany somewhere.
post malone
The aliens are going to come back and look at YouTube videos like, how did they?
And then take it.
joe rogan
That'll be their NFL. I would not be surprised.
There's a lot of crazy underground fights that are happening now, which is really interesting.
They have these no-rules fights on concrete where people are fighting with sneakers on.
Yeah.
post malone
On which platform?
joe rogan
Well, they're just doing it online.
And it's like, it's gaining.
post malone
Because I remember like Worldstar fights and shit like that.
Yeah.
Like Kimbo Slice.
joe rogan
These are like people who fight for money.
That's crazy, dude.
Yeah, Kimbo Slice.
Like a Kimbo Slice thing, but with no rules.
But they're doing wild shit.
Like you get paid extra if you could bite a piece of the person off.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
You can eye gouge.
post malone
What website is this on?
joe rogan
It's just online.
These guys have won like multiple fights in a row by eye gouging.
So they get on top of guys and gouge their fucking eyeballs.
post malone
That's crazy.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
post malone
That's insane.
That's like 4chan shit.
unidentified
There's no rules.
joe rogan
You can bite people.
You can do whatever the fuck you want.
It's kind of crazy.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, really crazy.
post malone
And you get paid extra for eyes.
joe rogan
Brutal Fight Club Elias allows eye gouging with biting bonus and extra for eating the chunk.
Yeah.
Million subscribers.
post malone
Where are these guys?
It looks like a hockey rink or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're fighting.
That looks exactly like a hockey rink.
post malone
And they're fighting on ice?
joe rogan
I don't think they're fighting on ice, but I wouldn't be surprised.
post malone
That's the ice multiplier.
joe rogan
Well, also, would you be allowed to have spiked shoes?
And that would come into play.
post malone
That's crazy.
Maybe you get paid less for the spiked shoes.
It gives you too much of an advantage.
joe rogan
Or maybe everybody wears them.
Maybe it's just the thing you wear.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ice fights with spike shoes.
If someone goes down, they get stomped with spike shoes.
post malone
You remember.
jamie vernon
They changed the rules about eye gouging, apparently.
unidentified
Okay.
post malone
Thank God.
jamie vernon
One guy was to do it, but if you win, you don't get any prize money.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
post malone
Wait, eye gouging is a...
joe rogan
This don't include biting, it says.
post malone
Is an occurrence of victory?
That if you win by eye gouge...
joe rogan
But look, they still allow biting.
This don't include biting.
Even the way they wrote it, this don't include biting.
Eye gouging is still permitted, but you don't get paid.
Bro.
post malone
And I'll have you know, this don't include biting, guys, by the way.
joe rogan
Guys, biting is still cool.
What the fuck, man?
Biting.
post malone
That's fucking crazy.
That's fucking crazy.
So was UFC 1 and 2?
When did the gloves come in?
joe rogan
Well, some guys started wearing gloves on their own, like Vitor Belfort at UFC 12. What a beast.
Yeah, that was the first fight that I ever worked.
Vitor was one of the first guys to show up with gloves on.
He might have been the first.
No, no, Tank Abbott was the first.
I think Tank Abbott was the first guy to wear gloves.
Because he realized that those little tiny gloves are only protecting his hands.
Especially when he hit as hard as Tank Abbott.
And Tank Abbott just went out and flatlined people with those gloves on.
Because you can really crack someone.
If you have your hands taped up nice, and you have your wrists taped up nice, and you have padding over your knuckles, you can really fucking crack someone.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's hard to do that with just your hands.
post malone
Well, even doing...
I never...
I thought the tape was to look cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, here's Tank.
Which one?
UFC 6. So he's definitely the first.
Yeah, Tank was fucking- That dude's got a shirt on!
Bro, yeah, you could do whatever you want.
You had shoes on.
They had shoes.
Tank was fucking- This is one of the craziest knockouts ever.
Because look how he stiffens up.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And then Tank mocks him.
unidentified
He like- That's crazy, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, Tank was a beast.
post malone
He had no mouth guard in or anything.
joe rogan
Well, he might have.
He might have got knocked out, but- That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
And I never realized- I thought the tape was just to look cool.
joe rogan
Tape?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
On your hands?
Your wrists?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, it's to protect your hand, 100%.
post malone
Because I did a fight scene for an up-and-coming film, and I just was, my hands, and even pretending to hit, I had to fight a guy who was like massive, like big-ass buff dude, like 300 pounds, just pure fucking, and like hitting him, He was like, all right, give it to me.
Yeah.
And so I wouldn't punch him full force, but I would hit him like 20%.
And even then I was like, oh my fucking God, my wrist is like fucked.
And I'm not a fighter by any means, but we put the tape on and it just, it was so much more like stable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's the whole reason for it.
post malone
I just thought it looked cool.
It does look cool.
It does look cool.
joe rogan
It definitely looks cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, it's a hundred percent to protect your hand and your wrist.
Wrists are very fragile.
Canelo Alvarez just fucked his wrist up.
He had to get surgery on his wrist.
post malone
He's a beast.
He's a beast.
I'm talking more about Jake.
I want to see a UFC fight.
joe rogan
You want to see a UFC fight with Jake?
Well, he's not going to fight for the UFC. He's got a contract with the PFL, which is another organization.
They're throwing a lot of money around.
They just signed Francis Ngannou, and Jake has a contract with them.
So if he has an MMA fight, I think it has to be over there.
post malone
Where's that?
At PFL. PFL? Yeah.
I haven't watched the PFL. It's good.
joe rogan
Good fights.
Good fighters.
They got a lot of elite guys.
It's like, you know, a B-level organization in terms of, there's only really one A-level organization in America.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, that's the UFC. Right.
The other ones are just slightly below, but there's elite guys in all of those.
There's elite guys in Bellator that can compete in the UFC. Right.
post malone
There's elite guys in the PFL. And what is that, just contracting?
It's like your contract and shit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what happened with Francis Ngannou because he was the UFC heavyweight champion.
He didn't lose his title.
He relinquished his title due to contract negotiations and decided he was going to leave.
And so he vacated the title and they gave him a big chunk of money to go to the PFL. Right.
post malone
I gotta watch a PFL fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's good fights.
It's got a wacky point system that you're not gonna understand because I don't understand it.
post malone
I don't understand any points in UFC or boxing.
joe rogan
Oh, like when it's a 10-9 round, like that kind of thing?
post malone
Because I'm like, well, you watch, and I know, albeit I know nothing about fighting, but I'm like, that dude definitely won that round.
But it always seems...
To be so close, kind of, but it's always like unanimous decision is whenever the judges all agree.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
It's all the same.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
But I don't quite understand the whole deal.
I don't understand.
So what are they going off of?
Knockdowns is a big one.
joe rogan
Knockdowns is a big one.
post malone
Punches landed is a big one.
So what is the ratio?
So here, let's take a look at that.
What is the ratio between punches thrown and punches landed?
How does that affect points?
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't if you still land a lot and you miss a lot.
So if you're a highly active fighter that throws like 150 punches a round and you land 50 and your opponent only lands 10 but they only threw 30, you still won that round.
You just let a lot more volume, a lot more, but even though you're missing, what counts is how many you land.
You don't get penalized for missing.
post malone
For missing, okay.
joe rogan
Because if you're a guy who just throws a lot of fucking punches, you're gonna miss a lot of punches, too.
If you have some insane cardio and you can just go after a guy, throw insane volume at him.
post malone
Well, you take 100% of the shots you miss.
Isn't that the saying?
joe rogan
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
unidentified
But you do take 100% of the shots you miss, too.
post malone
That's a pessimistic version of that.
joe rogan
A little bit, but it is true.
100% of the times you missed, you took a shot.
That's true.
That's unavoidable.
post malone
My buddy told me that, and I was like, oh, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Nobody wants to think about that.
post malone
No one thinks about that.
joe rogan
You gotta go for it.
A lot of people go for it.
post malone
They said Michael Jordan said that.
joe rogan
Did he?
post malone
And then Michael Jordan didn't say that.
joe rogan
You might have said it and forgot.
You might have been in a competitive trance.
Oh, it's Wayne Gretzky.
unidentified
Wayne Gretzky, Michael Scott included in the quotes.
post malone
Michael Scott's probably one of the most legendary characters of all time.
joe rogan
How about the fact that that guy went on to play that creepy DuPont guy in that movie...
What was that movie?
The wrestling movie?
Foxcatcher.
Did you ever see that movie?
unidentified
No, sir.
colter wall
Bro.
joe rogan
It's a crazy movie, but he plays this really fucking creepy dude.
He did an incredible job.
post malone
The makeup is good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was really good.
Good movie.
Can't recommend it enough.
post malone
Channing Tatum?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
post malone
Young Channing Tatum?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
What year is that?
joe rogan
In 2014. Steve Carell kills it in that movie.
It's a really good movie, man.
There's some fucked up things about that movie, like historical inaccuracies, because it has to do with some real wrestlers and he took some liberties with the story.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
But Steve Carell nails it.
If you just want to see it as a movie and not think about it, whether it's accurate.
post malone
Yeah, because I'm totally clueless about it.
joe rogan
It's interesting.
It's just crazy that that's the guy from The Office.
post malone
He's so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
post malone
He's so good.
joe rogan
Crazy range.
post malone
Have you met Channing?
joe rogan
Mm-mm.
post malone
Oh my god.
He's the best.
joe rogan
Is he?
post malone
Yeah, he's the best fucking guy.
I remember I was working on the last album and...
We did a whole bunch of shroomies and just listened to it.
He's such a fucking cool motherfucker.
joe rogan
I like it when I hear about cool people.
post malone
Me too.
And you know, it's always scary because you never really know.
You never really know.
You feel like you know.
And that's kind of a whole thing with the way everything is today.
It's like, oh, I feel like I know.
I've seen you before.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
I see everything that you do.
I know where you are 24 hours a day.
I know you.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm looking at you on Snapchat map.
post malone
Exactly.
I'm looking at you on OnlyFans.
joe rogan
Imagine if OnlyFans had a map of where the girls are all the time.
post malone
That's fucked.
No way.
No, that'd be terrible.
It's so crazy how anyone knows where you are at all times.
joe rogan
Well, the government does.
post malone
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Someone does, if they're looking for you.
post malone
By the way, I'm a good boy.
You're a good boy.
I just want to let them know.
Joe's a good boy, too.
joe rogan
We pay our taxes.
post malone
We pay our taxes, and we are not kids, and we definitely pay our taxes.
joe rogan
We're only good.
Only good, not bad.
post malone
God bless America.
I don't know.
It's so crazy nowadays, the way that...
People feel so personal with people, but it's super unpersonal at the same time.
I remember whenever I started losing my weight, everybody was like, hey, this is what meth looks like.
And I started like dancing on stage and having fun and having more energy and just enjoying life again.
You know what I mean?
Like I mentioned, I was shitty for a long time, but I had my baby and I'm in a great fucking spot.
And then the first thing that happens is like, oh, he's on fucking drugs.
And I'm like, well, I know there's people that genuinely care.
joe rogan
Right, and they're concerned that maybe you are on drugs.
post malone
Right.
But there's also people that are just like, alright kids, this is what fucking meth looks like.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And definitely not on meth.
Definitely not on any fucking hard drugs, but you feel an inclination almost as...
As a public figure, to have to justify something that you don't need to justify.
First off, it's nobody's business.
Second off, don't just fucking assume everything.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So I was like, hey guys, not on fucking drugs.
And that's the crazy part is because I know there's people that really give a shit.
But there's also a lot of people that are just like...
Mean, you know, people are just mean in general online.
You never have to face repercussions.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're just not happy with their own life and they want you to fail.
And that's that's what you're reading.
You know, that's all that is.
It's just someone wants you to be.
And then there's, you know, an unusual thing, like all of a sudden you have this unusual amount of energy and joy for life.
I don't know.
post malone
Seems different.
joe rogan
I'm not buying it.
Can't be that love drug.
It's gotta be something else.
post malone
It's interesting to See it happen.
And I don't know how much you...
How much do you pay attention to social media?
joe rogan
Almost none.
I read other stuff about other things, but I don't pay attention to anything about me.
It's not healthy for you.
post malone
It's not.
A long time ago I got off, and that was like the best decision I've ever made.
joe rogan
But it is a good source of interesting shit.
There's a lot of interesting things to pay attention to in the world.
But you have to kind of be real careful how you curate it.
And I think with some people, what I see, and I follow quite a few people that I can tell that this is what's going on, it's their daily obsession is interacting on Twitter and saying things and arguing with people and getting in confrontations and dunking on people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They do it all day long.
It's like...
It's one of their main interactions that they have with human beings.
The amount of time they put into it, it probably dwarfs all the other time they put in with human beings.
post malone
Right.
And it's a crazy, crazy fucking thing too.
Who decides what is interesting too?
Because I tell you what, the submarine thing.
With the submarine that went to go see the Titanic, or not submarine, but the whole Titanic deal, the submersible thing.
Not once, Joe, in my entire life have I said, if I get on my phone and I'm like, hey, or if I'm not even on my phone, if I'm just like, hey, I want a jet ski.
I'm thinking about getting a jet ski.
And then the next time you get out your phone, you get an ad for a jet ski, right?
But not once in my life have I been like, oh, like, submersibles are very interesting to me.
Like, I want to go see the fucking Titanic.
How was that story everywhere?
joe rogan
Well, because the people that were involved were very wealthy, and when wealthy people do stupid shit, we have a certain sense of glee.
Like when some wealthy billionaire wants to take a rocket into space and it blows up, people would be like, ha ha.
There's a part of that.
post malone
Right.
joe rogan
There's definitely a part of ha-ha.
If you are a person who gets to watch people do something that you think is really fucking stupid, like get into an unproven watercraft.
post malone
With a GameCube controller.
joe rogan
That's been...
had people resign because of safety concerns.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's one of those things where when people die like that, people enjoy watching it.
They enjoy paying attention to it.
unidentified
Is that weird?
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's also fear.
It's the fear of the actual experience of being that person.
Because you could imagine it.
You could imagine if you had been talked into it somehow.
Everybody says, it's totally safe.
Don't worry.
And you're like, okay, let's do it.
Let's do it.
And then you're down there in the ocean.
And then you hear a crack.
Yeah.
post malone
Those guys, they died so fast.
joe rogan
Supposedly.
post malone
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, what I heard is that something failed and it plummeted, and that as it was plummeting, they probably knew they were dying as it was plummeting into the ocean.
post malone
Because the actual collapse would be a tenth of a second.
unidentified
Imagine the force behind that weight.
joe rogan
All that water.
If the clouds are a million pounds.
post malone
A cloud.
joe rogan
It's floating in the sky and it's a million pounds.
unidentified
Imagine you're 4,000 feet deep in the ocean.
post malone
That's fucking crazy.
Boom!
joe rogan
It's just pink mist.
post malone
Do you think that's never happened before?
joe rogan
I'm sure it's happened before.
It's definitely happened before.
post malone
And it's just so crazy.
Like, I don't know.
That's all anybody talked about for a week.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
And then now, no one fucking talks about it.
It just comes and goes.
joe rogan
Well, because we found out that they died and then there's not much more to say other than, you know, people go looking into the history of the safety concerns that...
These engineers had.
How did anybody ignore that?
How did they allow people to do this?
And, you know, the dude who ran it, you know, they're fascinated by him because he was actually in it.
It's not like he just put somebody in it.
He went in it himself.
So he believed in it.
He died with them.
post malone
He was on that trip.
joe rogan
Yes, which is wild, too.
So the whole story is...
It's a it's a thing when we see someone do something and die and we think it's unnecessary or stupid There's a part of us that like has to study it Because that's how you learned even if it's something you would never do that's you learn to never do that when you see some guy and he's taking a selfie on a skyscraper and he falls You're like, Jesus.
It just cements it in your head.
Don't fucking do that.
post malone
Don't do that.
joe rogan
Don't fucking do that.
post malone
But that's like, I don't know, that's like evolution.
It's like, you're kind of like, well, you don't want to be up that high.
That's okay.
I don't want to go anywhere fucking near that.
And my body says, don't fucking go anywhere near that high.
joe rogan
And some people are like, bro, I'm going to do chin-ups.
post malone
And then some, like down that low too.
Well, it's just, I don't know.
A lot of my buddies who served, they're like, oh yeah, I jumped on an airplane like a thousand fucking times.
How?
Why?
How?
Yo, yo, yo.
It's not right.
I'm a terrestrial being.
It's a terrible way to die.
I'm so happy being here.
I'm so happy being here.
joe rogan
Me too.
My friend Brian, his...
post malone
I'm like, no!
joe rogan
See, this is wrong!
unidentified
Don't show me this, Jamie.
Stop.
joe rogan
I get sweaty.
post malone
Jamie, that's wrong.
joe rogan
I get sweaty.
I get sweaty hands.
These motherfuckers drive me nuts.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
post malone
I'm not gonna lie to you.
Have you seen...
Oh, fuck.
There was a movie about this.
Like, Free Climber.
Oh.
joe rogan
Alex Honnold?
Or are you talking about The Alpinist?
post malone
It was a...
joe rogan
The Ice Climber?
post malone
It wasn't a non-fiction.
It was a fictional movie.
joe rogan
Oh, a fictional movie.
post malone
But she would...
She climbed up this cell phone tower.
Right before they were gonna tear it down.
And she gets like stuck up there.
joe rogan
Oh Jesus Christ.
post malone
And it was...
I was...
My feet were sweating.
And I watch like...
I love horror movies.
Like I love horror movies.
All this shit.
But watching that, I'm like...
Yeah, Fall.
joe rogan
Do not show me this.
Do not show me this.
Stop it.
Stop it, Jamie.
No, don't show me this, man.
I want to watch this.
Oh, God damn it.
post malone
It is so...
joe rogan
Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
post malone
I was so pumped because I was like, this movie scared the dog shit out of me.
And I love scary movies.
I love them.
I watch them like every fucking night, go to bed, all this shit.
But that movie scared the shit out of me.
joe rogan
There's a movie about a bunch of people that are in a ski resort.
And they're on like the last of the fucking, what are those things?
Gondola?
What are those things?
The ski thing.
What are the ski lifts?
What do they call them?
post malone
Ski lifts?
joe rogan
Ski lifts, it depends on where you are.
post malone
Gondola is like the fancy way.
joe rogan
Right, that's the indoor ones, right?
So they're on the ski lift and the fucking park shuts down.
Like they try to catch the last one and the park shuts down.
They get stuck.
And then they get hunted by wolves.
I think it's called Frozen.
post malone
Is it with Liam Neeson?
joe rogan
Is it called Frozen?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's called Frozen.
post malone
Frozen has Elsa in it.
joe rogan
That's a different Frozen.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to get the wrong one for your kid.
I've seen Frozen with Elsa about 30 times, man.
post malone
This isn't fucking Frozen.
Where's Elsa?
joe rogan
Daddy's an asshole.
Imagine, hey girls, you want to watch Frozen?
Yeah!
Look, it says Frozen!
Stop crying!
People used to get eaten by wolves!
It was normal!
You break your leg in the woods?
post malone
The wolf's name is Elsa.
She's so cute.
Check it out.
joe rogan
I think at one point in time, a guy tries to climb down, he falls, and then the wolves get him.
There's a bunch of scenes like that.
Spoiler alert.
post malone
It's that shit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is it.
So they get stuck.
post malone
Fuck that, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then the wolves come out.
post malone
That's such a good concept, though.
joe rogan
It was a good movie, man.
It was a good movie.
I love it.
See the walls are below them.
unidentified
Shut up, Jamie.
joe rogan
You're goofy!
Shut up, Jamie!
post malone
That's scary!
joe rogan
Bro, have you ever been on a ski lift and it stops?
jamie vernon
I'm just like, how would you be stuck though?
post malone
I like how they tried to add impact in the trailer to the word two.
joe rogan
I think what it was, if I remember...
unidentified
Two!
joe rogan
It was one of those deals where like someone knew somebody and they let them in and then no one knew that they were on the lift.
Because they were the last one.
They weren't supposed to be skiing.
But there were some kids, they snuck in, they got on the lift, and no one knew they were on the lift.
So when it stopped, no one knew.
No one knew there's people on it.
post malone
I just left.
That was my biggest fear too, getting lost in like the Walmart and my mom was gone.
Like she left me there and there was no one there.
But now that I'm older, I realize how Badass that would be to be stuck in a Walmart with no one there.
That would be like the funnest time ever.
joe rogan
If you could get over your anxiety, the fact that you were stuck in a Walmart.
post malone
Yeah, if I was just my age, I'm 28, and I told my 10-year-old self, I was like, good, you run away from your mom right now.
You get stuck in the fucking Walmart.
You stay under a shelf until everyone leaves, and then you can just fucking go run around.
And they always give you shit about playing with the balls.
The balls in the pen, not like your balls.
joe rogan
They do?
post malone
They give you shit about playing with your balls in Walmart, too.
Whenever you take the big balls out of the thing, you know what I'm talking about?
Now they close them up.
unidentified
Really?
post malone
Yeah, they close them up so the kids don't play with them.
Because you don't got to buy it.
You just take it out and play with it the whole time you're in Walmart.
joe rogan
Right.
And they don't want kids playing at Walmart?
They don't want kids playing at Walmart.
post malone
Are you kidding me?
I can't tell you how many times I walk into a Walmart and I see a bunch of kids fucking having fun and playing and I'm just like, I'm out.
joe rogan
Yeah, what would be the negative effect of kids playing at Walmart?
post malone
I have to fucking leave, man.
There's too many kids playing around here.
joe rogan
I guess the only negative would be if somebody wanted to buy the ball the kid was playing with.
post malone
Joe, you know there are people that would get pissed.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
post malone
Because these kids would throw them at the old lady and she'd freak out.
joe rogan
That's true.
post malone
We've seen the Karen montages.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's funny that that one name just took off.
post malone
Crazy.
I know a lot of beautiful Karens, like genuinely named Karen.
joe rogan
Really nice people, and they're stuck.
They're stuck with that.
post malone
It's crazy how names like that...
Now that we're in this phase, no one in this generation will name their daughter Karen.
joe rogan
Probably not.
Yeah, I would like to see how many people were named Karen in the year 2022. Probably like 10. Sub 10. We're talking sub 10s here.
I bet it was still thousands.
I bet there's thousands of 10s.
Sub 10. There's a woman out there named Karen, and Karen's the type of girl to name their daughter Karen too.
unidentified
She's Karen Jr. Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
Mind your business.
post malone
So there must have been a shitty...
So like the Karens of like a hundred years ago were probably Gertrude.
Because there's no Gertrudes anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, Gertrudes got phased out.
That's actually a beautiful name.
Gertrude.
post malone
It's lovely, but it's got such this bad rep.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's like eras of names.
post malone
The Karens are the Gertrudes of a hundred years ago.
They're like, let me speak to your manager.
And then they're like, aw, she's such a total Gertrude.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting that it's super common for men to name their son the same name as them?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
But it's not common for women to do that.
post malone
It's almost like never.
joe rogan
I'd never hear that.
post malone
I've never met a junior, like, lady.
Ever.
joe rogan
Yeah, that doesn't exist.
That's fascinating.
That is a really interesting point.
They show how much more fucked up men are than women.
post malone
That's fucking crazy.
This motherfucker is gonna be just like me.
joe rogan
He's my heir.
He will carry my name like it's me.
post malone
He is literally my cum.
joe rogan
That's my boy.
Yeah, he's my cum manifesting itself.
post malone
Yeah.
It's weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is weird.
It's a male thing.
post malone
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Did you see the Barbie movie?
post malone
No, I have not.
No, sir.
joe rogan
A lot of people are upset about the Barbie movie, and I left perplexed.
post malone
Did you see it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a fun movie.
post malone
Was it good?
joe rogan
Fun, silly movie about dolls who come to life.
But a lot of it is about the patriarchy.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
And it's a comedy.
It's a comedy about dolls.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
People are upset that it's this...
You know, like progressive metaphor for life that it's, you know, that they're pushing progressive politics in this.
I'm like, it's a fucking doll movie.
It's a doll movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a fun movie about dolls who come to life and try to interact with the real world.
And there's this lady in it who's this mom who, spoiler alert, who makes Barbie feel sad because she's playing with Barbie and she has sad feelings.
It's a fucking interesting movie.
Because I was like, wow, this is an original movie.
No one's ever done a movie like this before.
It's not like anything else you could say.
It was a bizarre movie, but it was a fun, silly movie.
I laughed.
But at the end of it, I was like, how did people get outraged at that?
I know some people personally who said it's anti-men.
unidentified
I'm like, no, it's making fun of dorks.
joe rogan
It's making fun.
It's fun.
You didn't think it was fun?
Like, if that was a real person, that happening to them, isn't that fun?
post malone
Well, Marco and Ryan are just like...
Amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing together in that movie, too.
post malone
I have to see it.
I want to see it.
It's fun.
joe rogan
I enjoyed it.
I just didn't understand why people were getting so upset.
Like, do you think that's you?
Are they making fun...
Are all men in this one...
unidentified
Directly making fun of me.
joe rogan
Are we going to do this thing where we put all men as men?
It's one category?
We're not going to judge people as individuals?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We're going to pretend that these individuals in this middle, who are clearly dorks, because they're designed...
It's fun.
Right.
That you don't think, like, what happens to them and the way it happens isn't, like, fun?
Like, I don't understand, like, why people think that represents all men.
It's the dumbest, the dumbest sort of...
post malone
How does it, like, what is, what was the, so the, you said it's, like, anti-men.
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
They think it's a super woke movie, and...
That's the way to make that movie.
unidentified
It's also a fucking movie.
joe rogan
But it's also a movie about how Barbies are the dolls that everyone cares about, and Ken is just a fucking accessory, which is real.
So when you bring these things into a movie, you make them real-life Barbie-land, that's how they have to be, because that's how it is in the real world.
That's the movie.
And in the movie, they go to the real world, and we're like, well, it sucks, and it's run by men.
And so this is what people are saying makes this an anti-men movie.
post malone
That's a good concept, though.
joe rogan
It's a fucking fun movie, man.
I don't get it.
I'm appalled at how easily outraged so many people are.
I could see if you don't like it.
I could see if it wasn't your kind of movie.
But that's anything that someone creates.
post malone
Well, to be honest, to be fair about that, it's also like...
You said it's not your kind of movie.
It's also the Barbie movie.
Right.
You have to kind of, you have to kind of like, you can't go in there walking so seriously about it.
joe rogan
Right.
Why would you go to see ACDC if you fucking hate ACDC? Yeah.
Yeah, if you're like into classical music.
post malone
It's just to make fun of Brian Johnson.
Be like, you're no Bon fucking Scott, man.
joe rogan
You know that.
post malone
I'm scared of that shit.
I'm scared that people buy tickets to come and make fun of me.
That's like my biggest fear.
joe rogan
That's my biggest fear.
post malone
I haven't seen it yet, and I hopefully don't do that.
But it's alright, because I still sold a ticket.
joe rogan
Go ahead, sit in the front with your frown on.
post malone
But it's actually really nice.
This tour has been really nice.
I feel like looking out at the crowd, it's not so phone-centric.
joe rogan
Mmm.
post malone
Which everything has become.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
It's really nice to be able to, like, interact with people.
Because you go and see a show and everybody and their dog has their phone out.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
I feel like this tour has been less phone-centric, which is a beautiful thing for me as a performer.
joe rogan
They're tuned in.
They're actually having a human experience.
A live performance experience.
post malone
Yeah, which I feel like, you know, everything is like, oh, Pixar didn't happen.
You know what I mean?
Right, right, right.
They used to tell crazy fucking stories.
Like, whoa, okay, this dude fought like six dudes and by himself, all this shit.
But you could just take someone's word that it was cool.
You could just be like, it was fun.
I had so much fun.
Oh, sick.
You got any pictures?
No, I just had a great fucking time.
joe rogan
Just enjoyed the concert.
post malone
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, just have a human experience.
But I get also why people want to say that they were there and say they love you.
And, you know, show was awesome.
We had a great fucking time.
Here's a photo of you on stage rocking out.
It's like it adds the experience for them.
post malone
Yeah, I mean, that's badass.
That's badass to take photos and videos and shit of your favorite moments.
joe rogan
Just don't get lost in your phone.
post malone
Well, that's the whole thing, because I don't want someone...
I don't want to go up on stage and have someone just playing fucking Candy Crush.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
That's the most expensive Candy Crush games of all time.
joe rogan
Maybe they just like Candy Crush with you in the background.
unidentified
This is great.
post malone
What an experience.
But then it's just like, oh, it's like Candy Crush with me in the background.
It'll be just like, oh, like I'm at home.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Just playing Candy Crush with a YouTube video on or something.
joe rogan
At home in an arena, staring at their phone, playing a game with you right behind them singing.
It sounds like a dream.
post malone
You could do like chameleon eyes.
You could play Candy Crush here and then just go fucking over.
So much stimuli.
joe rogan
I think that actually might be fun.
post malone
I think that might be.
I think I should just play Candy Crush on stage.
I think that's actually my new shit.
So I'll just go play Candy Crush.
Not an ad.
They're not a sponsor.
joe rogan
What is that?
Subway Surfers one?
unidentified
Is that the one?
joe rogan
That one is a dick.
post malone
That game is crack.
That game is...
joe rogan
That's a crack game.
post malone
It's so addictive.
unidentified
It's fucked.
joe rogan
My wife got into that one for a while.
So did one of my daughters.
So watching that game, it's like, get that fucking thing away from me.
post malone
I've been playing Marvel Snap.
Jamie, you play Marvel Snap?
joe rogan
What's that?
post malone
It's a Marvel card game.
jamie vernon
Speaking of cards, what about that cool card you just bought?
post malone
Oh yeah, fuck man.
joe rogan
What'd you buy?
You bought some wacky card, right?
post malone
I bought a crazy, crazy card.
Probably the dumbest thing.
Not dumbest, but like most irresponsible use of my money I've ever experienced.
I bought a two million dollar Magic the Gathering card.
joe rogan
Wow.
What kind of market is there for a $2 million?
Are you bidding against yourself?
Are there other people that are like, I'm in?
post malone
He was like, alright, well Posey said you can get $2.5 for it.
I said, fuck, $2.6.
But, man, I don't know.
So it's a Lord of the Rings, Magic the Gathering collab they did.
And...
There's only one of them.
joe rogan
There's only one card?
post malone
Mm-hmm.
There's only one of them.
So out of all the boosters, all the collectors' packs they sold, that was the one.
And a guy in Toronto, his name's Brook, he's an absolute fucking legend.
And he worked at Costco, and he went to his local game store, and...
I don't know exactly how much he wants me to share, but he went to his local game store and pulled it out of a pack, and it was a two million dollar card.
unidentified
Wow.
post malone
Isn't that crazy?
It literally is like Willy Wonka's fucking...
joe rogan
Golden ticket.
post malone
Yeah, man.
It's so fucking cool.
joe rogan
Well...
As long as it gives you joy.
post malone
Very much so.
joe rogan
I would give that away.
If somebody gave me one of those, I'd give it to you.
I'd be like, I don't know what to do with this.
post malone
Fuck, I wish you pulled it.
I wish you pulled it.
joe rogan
I would have just gave it to you.
100%, I would have just gave it to you.
post malone
But yeah, I don't know.
I love...
Have you ever played Magic the Galaxy?
joe rogan
No!
post malone
Joe Rogan?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
You would be a B. I don't think I would.
joe rogan
It's a card game?
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm out.
post malone
You don't play poker or nothing?
joe rogan
No.
I appreciate it.
I watched a bunch of people play blackjack in Vegas.
Dana White and a bunch of football players.
I love blackjack.
It's so scary.
They were betting so much money.
It was terrifying.
post malone
Isn't it fun?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I enjoy watching, but I have an addictive personality, particularly when it comes to games.
I get very addicted to games.
So I have to be very careful, because I'm at casinos all the time, because I'm at UFC fights, so I'm in Vegas all the time.
I cannot be that guy.
post malone
Well, magic's not a gambling game.
You don't bet for money, you just play.
And it's like, so there's over like...
Jamie, would you let me know how many Magic cards?
I think there's over 30,000 unique Magic cards right now.
joe rogan
And so, you're playing, and how does it work?
You get dealt a hand?
post malone
No, you draw from your deck.
So if you're playing Commander, it'll be you, me, and then two of our other buddies.
joe rogan
Okay.
post malone
Oh shit, there's 50,000 units.
joe rogan
49,998 total unique English language magic cards.
post malone
Isn't that fucking crazy?
So think about it, and the way that it works, it's like chess.
It's just very, it's a game of nuance, and it's just like, it's the best game ever, ever created.
unidentified
Really?
post malone
Ever created.
unidentified
Wow.
post malone
Yep, in history.
joe rogan
Wow.
I don't have time for that game.
post malone
If you don't have time for Diablo, don't get into magic.
Because this shit will eat your fucking life.
In a good way.
I enjoy playing.
Getting together with my buddies, and you just got three of your good friends, four including me.
And you're just sitting there smoking, drinking, talking shit, just like this.
But you're also fucking playing chess with over 50,000 different pieces you could utilize and create whatever the fuck you want with.
It's...
An amazing experience.
joe rogan
Okay.
I see it.
I see what you're saying.
Obviously, there's a large group of people that believe that as well, that agree with you.
I mean, it's a huge game.
post malone
It's huge.
It's the best game ever created.
joe rogan
What is the number one game that people are playing right now?
If you had to add in video games, chess, everything.
Right now?
What's the number one game?
post malone
Grand Theft Auto 5 or probably like Baldur's Gate is massive right now.
They had like 600,000 people right now.
But maybe Fortnite?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Fortnite's huge.
joe rogan
Still Fortnite's killing it.
Fortnite's been around a while now.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
post malone
Look up, like, most concurrent players, Jamie.
unidentified
Minecraft!
jamie vernon
Minecraft or Roblox, probably.
post malone
Roblox?
Roblox.
Wait, we didn't do it the same.
Minecraft.
unidentified
Roblox.
joe rogan
Yeah, Roblox is very popular with the kids.
post malone
Your kids play Roblox?
joe rogan
Yeah, they play Roblox.
post malone
How much money have you given to them for Robux?
Robux.
Yeah, for the Robux.
joe rogan
They're stealing Robux.
It's a fucking addictive game, though.
b-real
But all good games are very addictive.
joe rogan
That's the whole thing.
They're engaging.
And they're way more engaging than regular life.
If you're playing a game like Quake when you're running down these alleyways and people are shooting rockets at you, it's so stimulating.
But when I was done, I never felt good.
Like, I can play pool for hours, and when I'm done, I feel good.
I feel fine.
Like, I had fun.
But when I'm playing games, when it's over, I'm like, my body's all cracked out.
I'm like, yeah!
post malone
It's the same with beer pong.
Beer pong I can play forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fun, right?
It's a physical thing you're doing.
Yeah, like pool is a very, it's a physical mental thing that you're doing, but there's something about video games that just stimulate your brain at high revs, just your first-person shooters and rocket launchers, and you're running around the map, and you hear the guy behind you, and you're ducking this way, and jumping down, running, trying to get the health.
It's just so stimulating.
post malone
Yeah, it's right in your fucking face.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the visuals are so insane now.
The graphics are incredible.
post malone
Why do you think that VR isn't as big as it was...
joe rogan
I don't think you can force anything on people.
I don't think you can have some big marketing campaign and get people into something.
You just have to show that you have a product and find out how many people are interested in that product.
I mean, promote it for sure.
I don't think people want to wear that thing in their head.
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
And they also don't want to be, like, stuck in a house not knowing what's actually out there.
post malone
Oh, and, like, tripping over your dog?
joe rogan
Bumping the walls, stepping on your cat.
You know, like, you're just walking around there.
post malone
I think my baby tripped me on purpose the other day I was playing.
joe rogan
My friend Matt Serra, he plays a bunch of different games with VR, and, like, he had people over his house, and he was yelling and screaming in the other room, and his wife had to come in and say, shut the fuck up.
post malone
We have guests.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have guests.
And he's got this fucking helmet on and he's screaming and doing some wacky first-person shooter.
post malone
In VR? Yeah, in VR. I like to imagine that's a...
You hear stories about Prince's parties and how he'd have people over to his house but never see them.
Very, like, Great Gatsby style.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
post malone
And he would just buy, like, McDonald's fries for everybody and be like, check in on the intercom and be like...
I hope everybody's having fun.
That's so weird.
I like to imagine he had the first VR headset and he was just up in the fucking room cussing and yelling like that.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
post malone
At the end of the day, if you are exuberantly successful and you have that wealth, I can only imagine...
Like what some of these billionaire parties are like, you never see the fucker that throws it.
He's like, oh, I bought this house for this party.
I don't want to hang out with any of you motherfuckers.
I just want to show you that I can do this.
You know what I mean?
And how much joy does that...
Bring you!
You know what I mean?
It's weird!
Well, I've never been.
I've never been to a billionaire's party.
joe rogan
I've never been to a billionaire's party either.
post malone
Dana's gotta be getting up there, no?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's close.
He's probably worth half or more.
Maybe even more than that.
I don't know.
I don't know what his finances are, but he's very wealthy.
post malone
Wait, he doesn't tell you verbatim?
He doesn't send you tax statements?
joe rogan
I called him up the other day.
He didn't respond.
I asked him about his tax returns.
post malone
He is at a party.
joe rogan
But I know he fucking gambles a shitload, man.
He loves it.
But that's his thing.
He fucking loves it.
And he's good at it.
He wins a lot.
He loves it.
That's his fun.
He likes gambling.
He likes gambling high stakes.
post malone
For me, I'm not that rich.
But I've been lucky enough to experience wealth.
You know what I mean?
And be able to enjoy nicer stuff.
Yeah.
Going to, like, Vegas, at a certain point doing what you do, we talked about getting, like, you want to find...
It's kind of like a rush.
It's like you play for that kind of rush.
It's like, so you...
If you play...
Like, I go and I play, like...
Five dollar hands with my buddies and stuff.
But whenever, you know, all my friends leave and stuff, I wanna go and I wanna do like...
I want to play like $40,000 and spread it out across and I want to play.
You know what I mean?
Because it's so hard to get excited.
joe rogan
About five bucks.
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
You know what I mean?
And that's how they fucking get you.
They really play to that ego and they're like, oh, you're hot shit.
Okay, come play.
Come play.
We would love to play with you.
Yeah.
You want your nuts to fucking tingle.
And you want to be like, oh man, I need an extra chair for my nuts, man.
And then you want to let it all fucking ride out.
joe rogan
I get it.
I was watching it.
I was watching them bet $60,000 a hand.
And my hands got clammy.
I was like, this is...
post malone
But whenever you win that, that rush is like fucking nothing else.
I don't gamble anymore.
I went to Vegas recently and I lost a fuck ton of money.
And somehow my Vegas trips always end up with me on the foot of my bed and I'm like, oh fuck.
Dude, what an idiot.
What a fucking asshole.
I play blackjack.
joe rogan
Yeah?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you a risk taker?
Are you a hit on 17 kind of guy?
post malone
No, not 17. 16 is debatable.
You know, people are like, oh, you got to stay on the 16. But you want to let it ride sometimes.
I don't know.
I usually let a 16 ride.
I usually just let it go because I'm like, there's no way.
God is either really fucking funny and he's like...
Because whenever I hit, I always bust, and then the next time they'll flip over...
joe rogan
A five?
post malone
Yeah, yeah.
And it's just like...
It's a cosmic joke, but it's so much fun.
joe rogan
It's too much fun.
That's the problem.
post malone
Exactly.
That's why I don't go play.
joe rogan
It's this weird, artificial hijacking of your human reward system.
It puts you in this position where you can choose the amount of threat and danger and the amount of victory.
You can choose.
What to engage in that's dangerous, but it doesn't have any physical consequences.
You just lose money.
post malone
Yeah, like that's my doing fucking pull-ups on the fucking building that is too tall.
It's ungodly.
It's ungodly.
joe rogan
That's exactly what it's like.
It's that same kind of rush, I think, of doing a very dangerous thing, like a wild thing.
post malone
But I think it's good now.
I don't know, like...
You see all the deals in the casino like, hey, you can talk to me.
You know what I mean?
Like if you have a problem, you know, like if you want to reach out and talk to somebody about how much you gamble...
There's all these pamphlets and brochures and I've never met anyone who's had to call one or never called one.
But I don't know.
I think that's a good thing and I don't know how helpful they are.
Probably very not.
joe rogan
Unless they have a bag of mushrooms for you.
post malone
Unless they have a fat bag of mushrooms.
I'd actually rather go do some fucking mushrooms.
joe rogan
And you guys go in the forest and you find out why you're into gambling.
post malone
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
That's what it is.
post malone
Then you break it all fucking down.
joe rogan
And then you'll stop gambling.
post malone
Yeah, man.
It's so stupid.
I don't gamble anymore.
I haven't been to Vegas in like...
joe rogan
Three days.
post malone
I haven't been to Vegas in like fucking four days.
joe rogan
I've never...
I very, very, very rarely gamble.
I was there once for a show that a friend of mine was doing.
I was riding with my wife.
We played a little bit of blackjack.
We played for like an hour.
I was like, this is kind of stupid.
Let's get out of here.
It's just...
I get it.
I get the rush.
I don't want to be a part of it.
I don't have any time.
post malone
It's not worth it anymore.
It's not worth it anymore.
joe rogan
I got no time for that.
post malone
Have you...
Since moving to this new building...
I had a thought, Papa.
Have you experienced any hauntings?
joe rogan
I am so glad you brought that up.
post malone
See, I can read him!
I knew it!
joe rogan
It's not about this building, but it's about where my club is.
post malone
Okay.
joe rogan
My club, I bought the Ritz Theater, which is an ancient theater, well, an old theater, a historic theater.
post malone
It's like 2,000 years old.
joe rogan
It's 1927. So it's been a pool hall.
It was like a nudie bar at one point or a nudie movie theater.
It was a rock and roll club.
Jimi Hendrix performed there.
There's a photo as you're getting towards the stage is a framed photo of Hendrix, not Hendrix, excuse me, Steve Ray Vaughn.
Steve Ray Vaughn on that stage in 1983. Oh, dude.
post malone
It's my favorite.
He's like my favorite.
He's the best guitar player of all time.
Except for Brad Paisley.
joe rogan
And Hendrix.
post malone
Hendrix is good.
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you.
post malone
I know.
I'm so sorry.
joe rogan
He's the pioneer now.
unidentified
I know.
post malone
I know.
The shit that he did with sound.
But I guess I'm more of a control guy when it comes to tone.
His tone was impeccable.
But like I don't know like control is super like watching those like like Pat Metheny and like Eric Johnson and shit watch it.
Sorry to go off.
joe rogan
No, no, please I want to hear it because I mean I agree Steve Ray Vaughn was a master.
There's no ifs ands or buts about it.
He was amazing.
The point is there's a photo of him as you're walking towards the stage him on that stage in 1983 and Someone apparently I need to find this out fuck Google Murder at the Ritz Theater.
Because people that know the building are now telling me that at one point in time someone was murdered there on the second floor.
Supposedly.
I haven't even looked it up.
But I am bringing in Ghost Hunters.
post malone
To the building?
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
Who?
joe rogan
Sam and Colby.
Those guys on YouTube.
I've had them on the podcast before.
They're kids.
Well, they're your age.
They go to these houses.
I called you a kid.
You're a big old beard.
You're a man, son.
unidentified
I've been working.
It took me fucking 28 years to grow this goddammit joke, bro.
joe rogan
That's a serious fucking man beard, son.
That's a real beard.
post malone
I'm waiting for it to close up and then we're good.
joe rogan
But I'm going to have these guys bring in their equipment and go in there late at night and see what they find.
I haven't had anybody say that they've had anything weird happen yet.
But the building feels like it knows you're there.
post malone
It's like charged?
joe rogan
Well, it's old.
I think that things contain memories.
I think that's why people don't want to buy a house where someone was murdered in it.
post malone
It's a stone tape theory.
I'll show you a theory.
joe rogan
Give me it.
post malone
No, I mean, it's just that shit imprints with energy and history.
And I think that's totally true.
I mean, you can walk into a place...
You walk into a new house and it feels empty as fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
But you walk into an old house and you're like...
unidentified
And that could just be...
post malone
You know, this is an old house.
unidentified
Fuck.
post malone
There's got to be some history here.
This is a new house.
There's no history here.
This is completely Blake Slate.
But you feel it.
You feel it.
You're like, there's some shit that happened here, whether good or bad, or just families and families that had a natural family progression or a fucking house where the daughter, whatever, murdered everybody with an axe, whatever, you know?
But there's always, I don't know, you feel shit.
joe rogan
It's totally possible that things contain some kind of memory or some kind of feeling to them.
Something.
That's one of the interesting things about when you're in the woods is the indifference that you feel.
You feel nature's indifference to you.
That's one of the more humbling things.
post malone
That makes people feel uneasy.
joe rogan
Very uneasy.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's also because...
You stepped into a world that is just tooth and claw.
post malone
Fucking eats you a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're eating things around you all the time.
That's exactly how population is controlled.
There's predators around you all the time.
post malone
Eyes front.
joe rogan
Yeah, eyes front.
And there's an indifference when you're in the mountains.
There's this feeling of indifference that the mountains have to you that's very humbling.
It's very centering.
post malone
Dude, going to Utah and seeing the mountains, I'm like, fuck, dude.
I'm a fucking...
I'm a bug.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're a bug.
post malone
In the grand scheme of fucking everything, in the grand scheme of the universe, I'm an amoeba.
Yeah.
I'm so fucking small, and...
Try and be fucking as cool as you fucking can to people.
Be nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have control over that.
post malone
Exactly.
That's the only thing you have control over is how you treat other people.
joe rogan
It's the only thing.
Yeah.
post malone
And how you treat yourself.
joe rogan
That's a big one too.
Like some people, they treat other people so well and then they get someone in their life that really shouldn't be in their life and it's ruining it and they don't treat themselves well.
By extracting themselves from the situation.
There's that too.
unidentified
But those mountains.
post malone
The woods, the mountains.
It's just like, fuck, it makes you think about that shit.
That's why you see the tail of the fucking hermit that is the smartest person you'll ever fucking meet but never sees anyone.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, it's so...
joe rogan
There's a beauty to that...
That part of the world, especially mountains, for some reason.
There's a beauty, like when the sun is coming up, and the sun is shining through the trees, and you see the green pastures, and you just, you look at it and you go, my god, this is beautiful!
It's like a feeling that you have, it's not like any other art form.
It's nature's art form.
But it has the same kind of feeling when you see like a beautiful piece of art.
There's this feeling of appreciation that people have for things that are beautiful.
And I think it's one of the only creatures on earth that probably has that.
I don't think we have any other animals on this earth that appreciate beauty the way we do.
It gives us a feeling.
We stare at it.
We're entranced by it.
We're entranced by beauty, physical beauty, people that are beautiful, things that are beautiful, art that's beautiful.
We have this massive fascination With beautiful things.
And when you see the beauty of nature, it's the most humbling of all of them.
The stars are the most humbling of all.
post malone
It's crazy.
I hate space.
joe rogan
You hate it?
post malone
I hate space.
I hate the stars.
I hate everything.
unidentified
I know!
post malone
That's the fucking worst part.
That's the part that scares me.
That's the part that scares me.
You look at...
You look at, like...
unidentified
All...
post malone
The near misses and all that shit.
Who knows if it's even real?
The part that scares me is we know nothing about it.
There's one...
There's one...
Company, or not company, but one organization that knows about it.
We don't really know about it.
joe rogan
You mean in terms of asteroids in space?
post malone
Yeah, or like NASA. NASA knows about it.
We don't know about it.
We go off of what they tell us.
And I think that's the scariest fucking part and I'll look at a star or it might be Mercury or it might be fucking Mars or whatever and it's so bright and I'm like, oh fuck, it's over.
Okay, fuck.
And then I look at it for a little bit, for a couple minutes, and I'm like, okay, it's not moving, we're good.
That scares me.
I remember the whole 2012 deal.
joe rogan
Oh, December 21st, 2012?
post malone
I was in high school on the whole 2012 deal.
And I went to church for two weeks right before, because I was looking into all that shit.
And I was like, you know what?
I'm going to church.
Just in case that it fucking happens.
joe rogan
Just in case.
post malone
And I remember the day I was in school, and it was December 21st, 2012, and it started raining crazy.
And I was like, fuck, guys.
joe rogan
It's happening.
post malone
Yo, fuck, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
post malone
Fuck, dude.
But hey, I'm still here.
We're still here.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was surprised by that one.
I thought something was going to happen.
post malone
Did you buy into it?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I had a license plate in my car.
It said, I think it said December 2021. That was my license plate.
DEC 2021. Yeah.
Or 2012, rather.
What did you think was going to happen?
It was either DEC 2021 or DEC 2012. I think it was 2012. What did you think was gonna happen?
post malone
Like, what theory did you- How old were you?
unidentified
Um, how old was I in 2001?
joe rogan
I guess I was probably like 31 or 2 or something like that.
How old was I? I don't know.
post malone
You gotta go- I'd have to go back.
joe rogan
I'd have to do the math.
post malone
Jamie, how old was Joe Rogan in 2012?
joe rogan
Well, I'd have to think.
jamie vernon
It was 11 years ago.
joe rogan
There you go.
No, no, no, no.
2012. No, yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I'm thinking of 2001, because 2001 was another one.
post malone
Or 2000, Y2K. I got confused.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Let me back up.
December 21st, 2012 was the one that was the end of the Mayan calendar.
That was the long calendar.
I think it was DEC 2012 was my last display.
But I was really worried, even more so, about the one in 2000, the Y2K one.
That was a weird one, where people thought that all the clocks were going to stop and all the computers won't work.
post malone
Well, how did they justify that?
joe rogan
They were saying that the programs, the computer programs that were running everything...
post malone
They would switch to twos?
joe rogan
Well, it's when it goes from 19s to twos.
The whole thing, apparently they were worried that it was going to have this ripple effect across the country and the stock market would crash and banks would dissolve.
Wild shit would happen.
The fucking power grid would go down.
It was mostly bullshit.
But everybody was terrified.
And me too.
I was on the phone with a friend of mine from New York.
Like, dude, we're going to ride this out together.
And then, you know, we were drinking.
post malone
I'm getting into archery.
joe rogan
We were on the phone.
He was drinking in New York and I was drinking in California while we were talking on the phone.
We talked for like three hours.
And then, they ain't shit happening, man.
Everything still works.
The fucking internet works.
Computers work.
TV works.
Everything's fine.
post malone
Well, I don't understand the logic.
joe rogan
I don't get it either.
post malone
I don't get the logic.
But I was, because I was, I was 95, so I was like five reading about I would see the paper on the counter and it'd be like, oh, Y2K, everything's fucking ending.
And I was like, oh my fucking god, mom, everything's fucking ending, all this shit.
But then you look back and it's like, why would the year changing over affect computers?
Like, why would it change?
joe rogan
It's just the way they were coded.
It's very primitive coding.
When they first started, the computers that run the power grids and all this other...
post malone
It's all zero and ones, though.
joe rogan
I don't understand it, man.
You're talking to the wrong dude.
post malone
Me, fucking too.
But from my perspective, I'm like, it's all zero and ones.
Why would...
Just because you have the app that says...
Not an app, but...
joe rogan
Here, Jamie, explain it to us.
unidentified
Go on.
jamie vernon
I don't have an explanation, but it's, I mean, you're on it.
It's just other countries didn't do it, which I didn't know that.
joe rogan
They didn't have any precautions.
jamie vernon
They didn't talk about Y2K? No, they talked about it.
Everyone talked about it.
But they didn't do anything to do with it.
joe rogan
The U.S. spent a bunch of money.
It's probably a scam.
jamie vernon
That's what it sounds like to me.
joe rogan
It's monkey pox, bro.
post malone
Because it doesn't make sense.
It's literally a fucking widget.
It's a fucking widget on your fucking computer that tells you what year it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
The smartest people in the world can be like, well, we didn't change any of the fucking code on the fucking computer.
Why would it fuck anything up just because the widget says that it's 2000?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
What they were saying, I guess, further up with that, like power plants, for instance, have a whole bunch of automated things and those were in threat.
joe rogan
That's it.
unidentified
But for what?
post malone
Just take the date out of it.
It's zeros and ones.
It's zeros and ones.
It still is.
joe rogan
You're so smart.
You should work for them.
post malone
That's true.
joe rogan
Because they scared us all.
I wonder if it was all bullshit and they just wanted a reason why they could be.
post malone
It has to be.
It has to be.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be shocked if it was just something to sell newspapers and The media pumped it up and made it a big thing and talked to the biggest fear mongers and got everybody fucking terrified of it.
post malone
It has to be.
Because then I was so scared, but now I'm like, why?
It doesn't even make any sense.
joe rogan
So December 21st, 2012, I thought something was going to happen.
And maybe something did.
Maybe in the greater scheme of time, as we look back on the changing of the eras of humanity, maybe that's when we began our cultural slide.
post malone
Joe, I think about that a lot.
joe rogan
It might be a thing where like ancient civilizations have calculated – they sort of charted out the eras of civilizations and that civilizations would go through these periods and then they would have these rebuildings and then they would get soft and fall apart and then there was – That's that 400-year cycle.
Yeah, the Kali Yuga.
And that's where we're at now, the age of confusion.
It seems like that makes sense to me.
It seems like when you have people, like the World War II guys with the fucking guns on acid, it's a different breed of human.
Those trench warfare guys, that's a different breed of human being.
post malone
Naughty boys just fucking smoking cigarettes in the fucking trenches and if I see a motherfucker, I'm stabbing him.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Just living your life like that.
post malone
But now war's not even like that.
joe rogan
Well, it is in Ukraine.
post malone
War is so...
Well, now it's fucking drones.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's a lot of fucking actual gunfights in Ukraine that you can watch on Telegram now.
post malone
The crazy thing is the guns they're using.
The guns they're using are like...
World War II guns and they had a gun that was electronically operated that they soldered on a trigger and a grip to and a stock on so they could use that gun.
It's just crazy the resources that they're using right now.
unidentified
It's just scary that there's a ground war.
joe rogan
It's going on right now between two countries that used to be a part of the same union.
It's fucking scary, man.
post malone
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Because I think when people get through wars, when they get through like a civilization gets through an era, they have this feeling like a lesson was learned.
I don't think we learn our lessons, especially when there's a lot of money involved in continuing the same kind of behavior.
And I think that's where we find ourselves right now.
And that's where the people that are very alarmed by this and they're really scared by this, I think they're right.
This is the time to be very alarmed because it just seems people are way too casual about wanting this to happen and wanting us to fund this and beat Russia and all this whole craziness of war.
It's so complicated, too, with the UN and NATO. It's so complicated.
All of it is like there's so much going on.
post malone
Well, they're trying to play magic the fucking gathering.
unidentified
Right.
post malone
In the fucking world with real fucking people.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
And this doesn't just affect Ukraine or Russia.
This affects...
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
Everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
If they start nuking each other, oh my god.
post malone
Oh, it's over.
Joe, it's over.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
post malone
It's over.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
post malone
It's one nuke, it's over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
One nuke, it's over.
joe rogan
And the nukes that we have today, we saw what they did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Those are a fraction of the power that they have now.
These things are obliterators.
post malone
Not only a fraction of the power, but the amount that we have in this fucking world today.
joe rogan
And they have supersonic missiles now.
They have supersonic missiles that can change direction.
So they're going towards Miami and they hook a left.
post malone
Yeah, and then the fucking Poseidon, too.
The Poseidon missile will cause a tsunami.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
post malone
They'll shoot a missile that'll fucking...
joe rogan
The B-83, the largest deployed U.S. nuclear warhead, is equivalent to 80 Hiroshima-sized bombs.
post malone
Holy fuck.
That shit is crazy.
You can see if you hold your hand up.
joe rogan
Look at that number.
The U.S. nuclear arsenal has 5,244 nuclear weapons.
Had a total yield of 857.6 megatons or the equivalent of 57,173 Hiroshima-sized bombs.
post malone
By the way, that's like half of the explosion on Mars.
Allegedly.
Imagine if that's what happened.
Can you look up the Poseidon missile, Jamie, please?
joe rogan
Could you imagine if that is what we find out about Mars?
post malone
How crazy would that be?
joe rogan
And maybe that's why the aliens visit us.
post malone
How crazy would that be?
To warn us or whatever?
To try to halt it?
jamie vernon
The Russian one or...?
post malone
I don't know if it's Russian or Chinese, but...
jamie vernon
It says it's real.
joe rogan
A Poseidon.
Poseidon may exist only as a...
What is it?
Okay, so while some reports claim that Russia's Poseidon missile may exist only as a propaganda scheme, experts generally agree that the system is very real and has received significant resources from the Russian Armed Forces, although many details remain unknown.
So yeah, dude, if they decide to vaporize...
post malone
It's a U.S. Navy nuclear-armed submarine-launched ballistic missile system.
I don't know.
What is that?
That's Wikipedia.
jamie vernon
I was trying to see which one.
I think they're probably different with this one.
post malone
It shoots a wave out.
unidentified
Wow.
post malone
Intercontinental nuclear power, nuclear arm system, autonomous torpedoes.
joe rogan
It's very slow, but it's possibly unstoppable.
I don't like how that's in bold.
post malone
Possibly unstoppable.
joe rogan
As much as they lie to us, I think that's probably 100% unstoppable.
Russia maintains that it can be used as a tactical nuclear weapon against warships.
High-value targets would include aircraft carriers.
This is harder to rationalize than the second-strike nuclear deterrence role, but is a constant theme.
Ever since it was first revealed in November 2015, then known as Status 6, it's been described as a multi-role system.
post malone
That's a scary status six.
What the fuck does that mean?
joe rogan
Dude, there's people out there playing.
You just said it right.
There's people out there playing Magic the Gathering with real human beings.
That's what war is, man.
And that's the weird thing about war in this age where people are starting.
We're more connected now than we've ever been before.
And so we realize, like, it doesn't make any sense that we're being led by these leaders that have us...
Fighting over territorial swaths of land and control of resources.
It doesn't make sense.
post malone
Or just like, my religion's right, yours is not.
I'm right, you're wrong.
We're gonna fuck everything up or try to.
joe rogan
As the world becomes more globally oriented and realizing that there's just people, there's people in India, there's just people in China, there's people in Russia, the problem is who they're led by.
And when they lead you into this position and control the population to position where they can't do anything other than the will of the leaders.
Yeah, I'll take one.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
That's where...
I mean, that seems like...
The only positive direction that I see moving forward is that people think about the world as one place now more.
I don't think people are as nationally centric as they used to be.
We're paying attention to shit that's going on in Australia.
We're paying attention to shit that's going on in Hong Kong.
You know, people are really paying attention to the world now that I don't think they did as much in the 1950s or the 1960s.
I think with the internet, I think people are very tuned in to all kinds of weird shit that's happening everywhere.
post malone
And that's an interesting thing because, I don't know, would you ever consider living in another country?
joe rogan
I would have said Canada up until recently.
Now Canada's fucking falling apart.
All the shit that they did during COVID was just...
The total wrong direction.
The trucker convoy, when they froze people's bank assets.
post malone
You can't make honking your horns illegal.
joe rogan
Bro, they froze people's bank accounts that donated money to the convoy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Peaceful protest, which everybody's supposed to be all about.
These people that were protesting COVID vaccine mandates and the lockdowns.
And they...
They fucking went after the people that donated.
Which is crazy.
post malone
Yeah.
And you can track all that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Well, they track everything.
joe rogan
They shut their bank accounts down, man.
post malone
That's crazy, man.
You can't buy fucking a piece of toast.
joe rogan
That makes people self-censor.
And that's the terrifying aspect of that.
And that's the thing that people won't...
It's not that big of a deal.
They gave them their bank accounts back eventually.
Look, that's sending a very...
post malone
Eventually?
What does that even fucking mean?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
It's sending a very clear message.
That they can fuck with you in ways that you probably hadn't thought about before.
They can fuck with your money.
They can close your bank down.
post malone
Never even thought about it.
Never even thought about it.
So how do you feel about the government's digital currency that they're No fucking way.
joe rogan
No way.
That's what I think.
I think that's checkmate.
That's game over.
post malone
That is fucking checkmate.
joe rogan
Because if they apply that to a social credit score, if they decide somehow or another that you need some social credit score system and it's for the benefit of society, and they outline that they can track your behavior and your tweets and all your things, and you get a score.
post malone
Already doing that.
They just haven't released the fucking report cards.
They didn't send the report cards home to the parents yet.
Everything is already imprinted.
Everything is already tracked.
Everything is already there.
We just haven't given a denomination to it.
joe rogan
They just can't control you to the same extent that they would like.
And what they would like to do is to be able to strip you of your money.
And to be able to lock you down.
And then make sure that you comply so that all the other people also comply because they don't want to be stripped of their money.
They don't want everything they work for just be taken away instantly overnight and be powerless.
No one to call.
No one's going to answer your phone.
They just decided you fucked up and the rules are the rules.
And so then where does that money go?
Who takes your money?
And that's when people start profiting off of confiscating people's It's going to be a real fucking problem.
post malone
Well, it's not all fucking currency is digital.
b-real
Yeah, but the idea of them controlling all of the money.
post malone
And it's all unilateral.
It's all the same fucking thing.
It's all the same fucking thing.
That's a problem.
And here's the problem, I think, is that people are going to do it.
Due to convenience of it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
No one wants to carry around cash anymore.
Cash is gone.
No one wants to carry around cash anymore.
joe rogan
I saw a video of a lady paying for her groceries with her fingerprint at Whole Foods.
post malone
Can I see this?
joe rogan
Yeah, she used her handprint.
jamie vernon
You can do it here.
joe rogan
You can do it here?
post malone
You got it?
jamie vernon
Wait, Amazon controls it.
post malone
With your hand?
joe rogan
With your handprint.
jamie vernon
I've seen it at the cash out here.
I didn't do it.
joe rogan
You just walk up, your hand hovers over this thing, it takes a photo of your hand, and you pay.
post malone
Why?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
People want their handprint in a database just in case they murder somebody.
This is crazy!
post malone
This is crazy.
joe rogan
One scan does it all.
Amazon One simplifies everyday interactions.
It's a free contact service that lets you use your palm to pay, enter, or identify yourself.
post malone
Wow.
You remember it was microchips.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
So now you don't even need a fucking microchip.
You can just fucking use your pube hairs.
jamie vernon
They had a store in Ohio where I don't think you leave with stuff, but you just tell them what you want, and then they just send it to you.
post malone
Well, now they have like honor system stuff in airports and stuff.
unidentified
Really?
post malone
Where it's like you go and you pick up what you get and then you leave the money.
You swipe your card, all this shit.
There's no employees in the whole store.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
post malone
It's a little kiosk.
unidentified
You go pick up your chips, you pick up your drink, you pick up whatever you get.
joe rogan
They're just hoping people don't steal.
post malone
Your sandwich?
joe rogan
Yep.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That seems like it's not going to work out.
post malone
I don't know.
I don't know how these are working.
joe rogan
It's probably better to pay someone 15 bucks an hour to stand there and make sure you don't steal.
jamie vernon
Just one guy.
post malone
Just one guy at least.
joe rogan
One guy.
post malone
But now I guess you can't...
And I understand it completely because what if the employee gets hurt or what if someone gets hurt in the situation?
But shoplifting is huge because now all these companies have policies to where it's like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
If anything happens, you don't even say anything to the guy stealing.
joe rogan
You're not even allowed to stop them.
People get fired for trying to stop them.
post malone
Don't even say like, hey dude, don't fucking steal.
I see what's in your fucking shirt.
Don't even do that.
joe rogan
Wasn't there a story recently where a woman got beat up and then they fired her because she was trying to stop the shoplifters?
post malone
I mean, it's all a liability thing.
It's a liability issue.
The company doesn't want to be liable.
joe rogan
68-year-old woman has her job back after she was fired.
Public outrage works.
After she was fired last month for attempting to stop shoplifters at a Lowe's store in Georgia.
June 25th, three suspects loaded over $2,000 worth of merchandise into a shopping cart.
Left Lowe's store without paying, police said.
And I think she tried to stop him.
I think they beat her up, too.
Which is even sadder.
post malone
68-year-old lady.
joe rogan
Yeah, these guys are such pieces of shit.
They beat up an old lady, and then that lady got fired.
That's crazy.
post malone
I'm happy she got her job back.
joe rogan
Me too, but she probably doesn't want it.
post malone
I don't want to work at Lowe's anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, she should probably sue.
post malone
I want to work at corporate, goddammit.
joe rogan
It'd probably be better if they sued her, or if she sued them, right?
She would have got a nice, fat payday.
That's ridiculous.
post malone
And suing is getting crazy, too.
joe rogan
But in that situation, I'm kind of on her side.
unidentified
Look, I know it's not even your shit.
post malone
I know it's not your shit.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
But you have...
I don't know, if you enjoy your job or what you do just a little bit, if you have friends at the store, if you have anything, it's like, you don't gotta take that shit.
Like, don't take that shit.
I know it's not my shit.
I know it's, you know, the big head shit.
But it's like you have an inclination to kind of like protect it.
It's kind of like you do this every day.
joe rogan
It used to be what people always did.
post malone
It's every day.
joe rogan
It used to be someone would always stop someone from shoplifting.
There's always a security guard at a store to keep people from shoplifting.
It was normal.
Now people just run in in large groups and they just snatch everything and smash glass and steal all those fucking watches and everyone just has to stand there.
You just go out.
post malone
You walk out.
joe rogan
You can't do that because it literally encourages crime because there's very little repercussions.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy that people are going with that.
It's just, you know, if you wanted to be a full-on conspiracy theorist, you would say, this is someone trying to destabilize society.
And that's the way to do it.
The way to destabilize society is make things as lawless as possible.
And then people will do whatever they need to do in order to bring back some semblance of normalcy.
What do I have to do?
What rights do I have to give up?
What do I have to give up?
I'll do it.
post malone
Well, you've got to submit to the one-world currency.
Yeah.
And then...
joe rogan
For real?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That might...
Look, it's...
If you wanted to look at a long-term engineering product, you could...
A project, rather.
You could...
If you had enough resources, and you were clever enough, and you planned this out enough, you could engineer the downfall of a society.
And you would do it by infecting the universities and entrenching them in a ridiculous, unsupportable ideology and then have people go out in the world with that ideology and think this is a rational way To live life and to run the world.
And then while you're doing that, you're also setting it up so that you have less people get arrested for things, more people get released from prison for things.
There would be a bunch of different ways that you could destabilize society.
But one of the best ones would be to encourage crime.
If you wanted to somehow or another, you could do it under the guise of making it more fair for all these people that get arrested, making it more fair for, you know, nobody wants to be racist, you just say it's racial injustice and just let more violent criminals out onto the street.
If you wanted to destabilize society, it's not saying that prison reform isn't hugely necessary.
It is, for sure.
They need to do a way better job of trying to rehabilitate people as well instead of just incarcerating them.
Fuck yeah.
Letting people out that are violent criminals seems like what I would do if I was trying to destabilize society.
post malone
I think an easier way, here's what I would do.
joe rogan
What would you do if you were an evil dictator?
post malone
I would just say, I would just shut everybody's shit down and say it was an attack from another country.
If New York or LA collapses, the rest of the world follows suit.
So, talk about a lot.
Only, like, fucking 3% of your money is actually real.
The rest is fucking a digital number.
And we saw it with the banks collapsing, all these smaller banks.
unidentified
But the payout is $250,000.
post malone
You're insured.
Your money is insured.
You could have a billion dollars in this bank.
You're paid out $250,000.
joe rogan
And then where'd the rest of that money go?
post malone
Where the fuck did it go?
All you need to say is, if someone goes in or someone tries to order Postmates on their phone, just say, uh, your card's actually not working.
Your card's been declined.
Everyone's cards get declined at the same fucking time.
People are gonna fucking cannibalize themselves within a week.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And just say, it's not, I don't, we don't know who's doing it, but this was an outside attack.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
All it takes is, because everything is so digital now, it takes nothing, just like you mentioned in Canada, where they're like, okay, people who donated to these guys are getting their bank accounts shut off.
Imagine that happened to an entire major city.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, have you ever looked into how vulnerable- It would be anarchy everywhere.
joe rogan
Have you ever looked into how vulnerable the power grid is?
post malone
I know how vulnerable it is because in Utah, not even the power grid, but for internet.
So a disgruntled employee took an axe to a box and shut down the whole fucking place's fucking, like my whole entire side.
I live in Cottonwood Heights in Utah and The whole shit went out because some guy was just mad and he just took a fucking axe to a box!
joe rogan
That's crazy.
post malone
And shut everybody's internet off.
And it sucks.
unidentified
Wow.
post malone
It sucks, because I like internet.
I like having internet.
unidentified
I gotta watch the fucking Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan
Wow.
It's that vulnerable.
And it's crazy that he knew how to do it and not get electrocuted.
If you had a box and it's filled with wires and you got an axe, wouldn't you assume you're going to die?
post malone
I don't know how it goes.
joe rogan
I don't know how it goes either.
I mean...
post malone
All I know is I didn't have fucking Wi-Fi for fucking four days.
joe rogan
Do you think Wi-Fi's bad for you?
I don't know.
post malone
That's a good question.
I remember, uh-oh, COVID's caused by Wi-Fi, all this shit.
unidentified
5G. Yeah, 5G. 5G, yeah.
post malone
But I don't know.
What is interesting is seeing those little boxes pop up around everywhere disguised as palm trees in California and just kind of scattered around in New York.
joe rogan
The cell phone towers?
post malone
I don't know.
Are they cell phone towers?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They look like fake trees.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have these little square things on them or these rectangular things on them.
post malone
But...
Smaller, like, deployable variants of it, I guess.
Because how big is the cell phone tower?
It's big.
joe rogan
They're pretty big.
I think they probably vary in size, too, though.
They're probably like a lot of other things if it's dealing with a lot of...
You know what's really crazy about cell phones?
If you're in a place where too many people are using them, yours doesn't work.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever experience that?
post malone
At the concerts, they don't work.
joe rogan
That's wild.
That is wild.
post malone
Why is it?
joe rogan
Because there's not enough juice for everybody.
They're kind of overselling.
unidentified
Not enough bandwidth.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're overselling.
post malone
Are we running out of bandwidth?
joe rogan
Well, there is.
If you have a concert and you have 20,000 people in an arena and you try to get on your phone, like I experience it at the UFC all the time.
I can't get text messages.
They just don't come through sometimes.
It depends on the place.
post malone
Even if you're on the venue Wi-Fi or whatever.
joe rogan
You'd have to get on the venue Wi-Fi, then you'd probably be okay.
But when you're just trying to use straight cellular, a lot of times at those places, there's just too many people on the line.
post malone
But still, I notice how it works before everybody comes to the shows and I'm taking a shit.
joe rogan
And it works fine.
post malone
And it works great.
And then when everybody comes and I'm still on the Wi-Fi and I got to shit before the show because I don't want to shit my pants on stage...
It doesn't work as well.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Joe, I got a 10-1 real quick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you want to wrap this up, man?
We've been going for like three hours.
post malone
I'm good to go whenever you want.
joe rogan
Shall we wrap it up?
post malone
Sure.
joe rogan
How long are we going, Jamie?
Three and a half hours.
I'll let you get the fuck out of here.
post malone
I'm having a great time.
joe rogan
You want to keep going?
post malone
I would love to.
joe rogan
All right, let's keep going.
post malone
I would love to.
joe rogan
We'll pee and come back.
All right.
unidentified
Yay.
post malone
I'm having a great fucking time.
joe rogan
I am too.
post malone
I always had the best fucking time.
joe rogan
Look, I got the greatest jobs in the world.
This is one of the best ones, just to be able to hang out with people.
I don't think a lot of people do this anymore, where they just hang out and talk.
Everybody hangs out and talks and looks at their phone, hangs out and talks and talks to someone else.
But it's an interesting thing when you just hang out and just talk to someone for hours at a time.
You really get to see how they think.
It's nice.
It's a fun thing to do, man.
I enjoy the shit out of it.
post malone
Well, I enjoy being on your show.
joe rogan
I enjoy having you.
post malone
And I enjoy...
You have been so fucking kind to me.
This is my second time.
How many second timers you got?
joe rogan
Quite a few.
post malone
Cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Well, I want to go for three.
joe rogan
Bro, you can come on every month.
I don't give a fuck.
post malone
I'm actually sleeping in a mattress in the back of...
joe rogan
Come hang out.
Park that tour bus out back.
We're good, dude.
post malone
Yeah, thank you for letting me park that.
joe rogan
Oh, anytime.
It's dope.
I love that you have a tour bus.
post malone
It's actually...
joe rogan
And it doesn't have Bert Kreischer's face on it.
post malone
Who's that?
joe rogan
It's a joke.
My friend Bert Kreischer.
He's got a tour bus with his face on it.
post malone
It's very discreet.
joe rogan
He's a discreet kind of guy.
post malone
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Funny dude.
post malone
It's amazing because I was on...
Sorry, Travis, if you don't want me talking about this.
But I've been on Travis Barker's tour bus for a long time.
And, um, now I'm on...
She's an artist, and, uh, she let me use her tour bus this time.
And the difference between a dude's tour bus and a lady's tour bus is, like, fucking night and day.
I remember the first time I got on the tour bus, Travis's tour bus, and, um...
I go and lay back.
It was after the first show.
Because I went and checked it out before, and I was like, oh, this is really nice.
And then I go back the first day, or after the first show, and go lay down.
And then I close the door.
It's all like on the hydraulic doors.
And so it closes, and there's a mirror on the door, and there's a picture here.
And it looks like a guy, like, laying down Like a mermaid, like a mermaid pose, kind of like this, looking back on the bed.
unidentified
And I get up, and I'm like, what the fuck is that?
post malone
And I get up and I get up and I look closer and it's Tommy Lee butt ass naked on the bed.
And he says, enjoy the bus fucker.
And I'm like, yo, this is fucking crazy.
So that's how I kicked off a couple of my tours.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
post malone
But not on this bus.
The fridge is pink and works and everything.
Travis, your bus is absolutely beautiful.
But yeah, it's nice.
It's nice.
And for whenever the baby and the lady are on the bus...
There's like a nice vanity mirror out back for them.
joe rogan
My only fear of buses is that you're on the highway.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I see too many fucking accident videos.
post malone
It's fucking scary.
It's easy to flip those fuckers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I watched this crazy video the other day of this car, rear ends this car, And they stop in traffic, and then this semi rear-ends them.
It can't stop and it's trying to change lanes because these guys bumped into each other on the highway.
They decided to stop.
And then this semi comes through and obliterates them.
I'm like, Jesus!
post malone
It's so heavy.
unidentified
Whoo!
joe rogan
It's so much weight and force.
When you watch the semi hit the cars, the cars just disintegrate.
post malone
It's a big vehicle.
joe rogan
It's so massive.
And then it goes flipping off this fucking side of the guardrail and it's just, Jesus.
So that's the thing with me about the tour bus thing.
post malone
So you never take a tour bus?
unidentified
No.
post malone
Do you go on tour?
joe rogan
No.
I do weekends and I come back home.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
And I do like two weekends in a month.
I don't do nice.
It is nice.
It is nice.
I don't do it.
I just don't do it.
I do a lot of comedy.
I do it in town, and now I do it at my own club.
post malone
Where's your club?
joe rogan
Lots of fun on 6th Street.
It's the 1927 place.
The place that's haunted.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Perhaps.
I'll take you there tonight if you want to go.
post malone
Are you going?
joe rogan
Let's go.
post malone
Are you going?
joe rogan
I'll go with you.
I'll take you.
I'm not even supposed to be there.
unidentified
I would love that.
joe rogan
But tonight is Kill Tony, which is a fun thing to watch if you've never seen it.
post malone
No, it's Kill Tony.
joe rogan
It's a live comedy show.
Where they have stand-up comedians, some of them maybe for the first time ever, do one minute in front of a professional group of comics who talk shit and there's a live band.
It's really fun.
post malone
Is his name Tony?
joe rogan
His name's Tony Hinchcliffe.
He's the most evil host of one of those shows.
He's the best ever.
Of hosting a live comedy show, Tony's the best.
post malone
Let's go.
joe rogan
We'll go.
post malone
Yeah, that sounds amazing.
I would absolutely love that.
I would love that.
joe rogan
We'll go have fun.
unidentified
But, like, it's...
joe rogan
What are you going to say?
unidentified
Nothing.
post malone
Cheers, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Cheers, my brother.
post malone
Cheers, Joe Rogan.
Thank you for having us.
joe rogan
Thanks for being here, man.
post malone
No, man.
joe rogan
Thanks for being here.
I'm excited to see your show tomorrow night, too.
post malone
I'm excited for you to come.
unidentified
Wee!
post malone
I'm excited for you to come.
joe rogan
I am too.
post malone
Are you a pit guy or are you like a more...
joe rogan
It's a bit of a problem if I'm in the pit.
post malone
What can I say?
I'm like kind of hot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
I'm a bit of a hot kind of guy.
joe rogan
People like to grab my cock.
post malone
Is I sure?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Sick.
No.
joe rogan
I wonder how many people get into pits just to try to grab cocks.
post malone
Just to try to drive Joe Rogan's cock.
unidentified
Not zero.
joe rogan
Just to drive any cock.
Not zero.
post malone
Probably too many.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is not zero.
Pretty sure there's a guy out there that's like, I'm going to see how many dicks I can grab tonight.
unidentified
Last night I got 16. This guy just buys tickets to the pit.
joe rogan
Just everyone's bouncing around.
post malone
Is it deliberate or is it like a rub?
100%.
Keep the score.
joe rogan
That's his game.
unidentified
That's his Diablo.
joe rogan
How many dicks can I grab with him?
post malone
I only grabbed dicks for like 14 hours.
joe rogan
He's probably on a forum with a bunch of other dick grabbers and they're counting numbers.
post malone
Oh my god.
No, I hope it's none at my show.
joe rogan
There's some mosh pits where they just essentially are beating each other up.
I've seen a bunch of those.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
Mosh pits are crazy.
post malone
Mosh pits are crazy.
Crazy.
I was at a show outside of Gallinson's.
It's a gun shop in Utah.
I go and hang out, and Tim is the sweetest guy.
He owns it.
And they did a show right next door.
There's a t-shirt printing place and a sneaker place right next door.
So they did a show in the back alley parking lot deal.
And it was a drain show, and there was a bunch of MS Paint, some harder bands.
And there was this guy there, and he was so fucking big.
And you saw these skinny...
They looked like they were Metallica rockers in the 80s.
I remember the story about Metallica, they were like...
Oh, these guys are the ugliest motherfuckers I've ever seen.
I'm gonna sign them.
Like, that's how they got signed.
Like, shit like that.
And these guys were just, like, leather jacket, long hair, like, didn't give a fuck, just rocking and rolling.
And this dude would just fucking swing his fucking arm and, like, send him out of the pit, like, instantly.
Like, I watched him get rocked.
I was like, fuck, dude.
I felt so bad.
But they love it.
That guy that got sent out with a bloody nose, like fucking missing teeth and shit, came right fucking back in.
He's like, let's fucking go.
Like, yeah.
It's like, dude, those mosh pits get fucking nuts.
joe rogan
That's so nuts.
post malone
Gnarly.
joe rogan
It's not good for you.
post malone
They wouldn't let you in the pit.
joe rogan
I wouldn't go in the pit.
post malone
You'd just be fucking like scissor-kicking people.
joe rogan
I don't want to get head-butted.
What is this?
Is this a mosh pit?
post malone
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
They're doing it like 300 style.
post malone
Look at the dust come up and all that shit.
That is the battle of Thermopylae, isn't it?
joe rogan
Look at this cigarette.
Oh, he called for them to do it.
Who's in the middle?
post malone
Who's in the middle?
joe rogan
Oh, someone dead?
Look at that.
That is so insane.
post malone
Jesus Christ, dude.
joe rogan
How many blown ACLs out there right now?
post malone
It's like a big tug of war.
joe rogan
What are they doing?
Oh my god, this is the biggest mosh pit in the history of the world.
Totally dangerous mosh pits.
There's a YouTube video!
post malone
No, that's a great title.
joe rogan
That's a very dangerous mosh pit.
post malone
The circle pit is good.
The circle pits are good.
Circle pits are good.
joe rogan
That's safer.
post malone
You're just kind of running around in a circle.
joe rogan
God, look at the size of that.
post malone
Maybe you give someone on the right side of you a good pop, but that's about it.
joe rogan
Just a little jab of the nuts.
A subtle dick grab, as you were.
Wow.
These guys are just running into each other.
How many fucking headbutts are you counting?
post malone
Dude, it is like fucking medieval war.
joe rogan
It is.
Look at that guy.
What is he singing?
post malone
I think the word he was singing is like, ooh.
unidentified
Listen, listen.
joe rogan
Back that up a second.
Back it up earlier.
Exodus.
post malone
Exodus is amazing.
unidentified
Look, he's fucking...
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is hysterical.
post malone
Imagine a dystopian world where the president or your leader was a heavy metal vocalist.
What he could get you to do.
joe rogan
That guy could win.
That guy could run for president.
post malone
Just fucking run as fast as you can at that fucking guy.
joe rogan
I mean, that's the kind of shit I would listen to if I was behind a machine gun.
post malone
Yeah, fuck yeah.
That shit for me, like, as a kid, was like...
It's so soothing.
unidentified
What do you listen to?
Really?
post malone
You know what?
What do you listen to, Joe?
joe rogan
I have very varied music tastes.
post malone
Okay, fair enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, I really do.
I like to listen to a lot of old stuff.
I like to listen to a lot of classic rock, but I also like to listen to a lot of 90s hip-hop.
I like to listen to modern stuff.
I listen to a lot of modern country.
post malone
Who do you like?
joe rogan
I like Zach Bryan.
I love Sturgill.
post malone
I love Sturgill.
joe rogan
Zach Bryan is beautiful, too.
His voice is amazing.
I got a chance to see him live when he was in Austin, too.
And he was on the podcast recently.
He's a sweet guy, too.
Like, really genuine, genuine guy.
Just a super fucking talented singer, too, man.
Dude.
Jelly Roll, I love that dude.
post malone
Yeah, he's a boss.
I like him, man.
He's the best.
Yeah, I like him.
joe rogan
He's such a good dude.
post malone
He just seems like a sweet motherfucker.
I love him.
unidentified
He's so real.
post malone
I love it.
joe rogan
That guy's so real.
He's such an appreciative, happy, loving dude.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
I met him at my club.
He came to see Ron White.
And he was like on his way up and we're sending him to the VIP balcony and just came out to say hi and he just gave me this giant hug.
Just super fucking sweet dude.
post malone
That's probably a good hug.
joe rogan
Real hug.
post malone
A real one.
Yeah, he looks like he gives good hugs.
Gives you a real one.
Yeah, I love that.
joe rogan
Solid hug.
post malone
You like Tyler?
joe rogan
Genuinely happy dude.
post malone
Tyler Childers.
Yes, I love that guy.
And Coulter.
So it's Sturgill, Tyler, and Coulter right now for me.
joe rogan
I love all those guys very much.
I keep trying to get Coulter to do the podcast, but he doesn't do podcasts.
post malone
Well, that's what I... I hit up Coulter and...
He doesn't do mine, at least.
No, not at all.
Because I got the same thing with Coulter.
I hit up Coulter.
I was like, hey man, you want to come jam out sometime?
Let's make a song.
And he was like, you can come make a song on the ranch.
And I was like, okay, cool.
Amazing.
I'm going to make it up one of these days.
joe rogan
He's really on a ranch.
post malone
Yeah, I do.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wild.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
His styles are so different, too.
Like, you know, you go from, like, Kate McKinnon to some of the other newer stuff.
It's almost like it's a different guy.
It's very interesting.
post malone
I love his...
He came out of the womb smoking a fucking cigarette, and it was fucking, like, the coolest shit.
joe rogan
Kate McKinnon, the fact that he was 21 when he made that song.
post malone
It's insane!
joe rogan
That's an 80-year-old man's song.
post malone
It's insane.
joe rogan
It's insane.
post malone
I remember listening, and I was like, oh, this...
Because he's, like, a couple months, if not a year, younger than me.
And just the way...
Just the, like...
The heartbreak of that song.
How rich his voice is.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
post malone
He can, like...
It's insane.
It's insane.
joe rogan
When you see it coming out of his face...
post malone
Dude!
And watching that, what is it, the Sun King or whatever, the brewery shows that they do whenever he was there.
joe rogan
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
The acoustic shows.
post malone
Sleeping on the Blacktop or whatever he did over there.
Yeah.
He looks fucking so young.
joe rogan
He's so young.
post malone
And I'm like, where's that voice coming from?
joe rogan
That song is so haunting.
Kate McKinnon has a haunting song.
post malone
Green is a wicked bird.
joe rogan
It's so fucking good.
Play it for me, Jamie.
post malone
Yeah, come on, man.
joe rogan
Jamie's the one who told me about it.
Jamie came into the studio and goes, oh, I know a guy that you're going to love.
post malone
And you told me about that song.
Listening to that song, I've never wanted to swing a pickaxe so hard in my life.
And I play a lot of Minecraft, the number one game.
colter wall
Listen to this. Listen to this.
His wings are black as sin And he floats outside my prison window Marking those within And he sings to me real low He's held to where you go
For you didn't murder Kate McCannan Damn Damn When I first met...
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
When I first met Tom McKinnon I was...
Working in the mine.
joe rogan
Have you ever covered this?
post malone
No, I couldn't.
colter wall
There's no way I could.
I think you could do it.
post malone
His voice is just like...
joe rogan
It's so haunting.
post malone
It's insane.
Perfect amount of reverb.
It's perfectly recorded.
It's perfectly played.
And he's such a good guitar player too.
It's like perfectly played.
joe rogan
This is such a song.
unidentified
Prettiest girl in the whole town holler.
That ain't no lie Fuck, man.
post malone
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's so good.
He's got so many of them like this, too.
post malone
Well, that's the whole thing.
It's the whole Johnny Cash kind of like that.
It's like a crazy...
He always sang like murder ballads.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
You know what I mean?
So it's like super, like, it's like, oh, okay, I shot a fucking dude in Reno.
Okay, I shot the guy that my wife loves.
Like, all this shit.
Like, I don't know.
It's very, like...
joe rogan
It's the original gangster rap.
post malone
It's the whole...
It's the old school production.
It's the old school voice.
It's the old school...
And I find, like, a lot of the time in country now is, like, it's very overproduced.
And so what I love about like Coulter and Tyler and everything is it's just like kind of more traditional in that way where it's just like that same bounce.
You want that boom, boom, boom.
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I know what you're saying.
There's a thing where people are trying to make hits, right?
Instead of just trying to make something beautiful.
post malone
And it works.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess there's so much money in making hits that there's going to be people that are technicians.
post malone
Turns out.
unidentified
Turns out, bro.
Look at you buying $2 million Magic the Gathering cards.
post malone
That actually, the fun part, that wasn't my bank account.
That was actually my buddy's.
joe rogan
But a big part of your appeal is your authenticity.
That's a big part of why people love you.
And I think that what you're saying is that there's a lot of, like, overproduction of things that kind of takes away some of it.
post malone
Well, sure.
joe rogan
The grit of that kind of a song.
post malone
Yeah, and there's a lot of production in my...
Music as well.
unidentified
For sure.
post malone
And I have, like, some of them...
unidentified
Autotune.
post malone
Yeah, I mean, autotune in general.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And some of the most talented producers and instrumentalists and songwriters and shit, and...
I don't want to detract from people who write amazing songs.
That's just not...
Whenever I listen to folk or country, I go towards Coulter and Tyler and Sturgill every time.
Because...
I don't know.
That bounce.
There's something so magical about that classic fucking bounce.
You know, that cash bounce, that train bounce.
And I don't know.
And it's just like, there's a lot of songs that are Country, but it doesn't have that bounce that I love so much.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I do know what you mean.
post malone
And it's just like, at that point, it's a lot of pop mix-ups, you know what I mean?
And that's never been bad, because what I've always tried to do, and I'm sure people said the same thing about me, because I sit and play the guitar with 808s and all that shit.
I just, whenever I'm listening to that, that makes me feel like, it makes me feel like a hard ass.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
It makes me feel like...
joe rogan
Like you're on a ranch.
post malone
Exactly.
Listening to Kulture, I'm like, he does the acapella shit, and I'm like, oh man, I feel like I'm fucking out there with you, dude.
joe rogan
But it's also like the choice of music is like he's singing a song about despair and the regret and all of it and the ravens mocking him from outside of the prison window.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so good.
post malone
And I'd assume that he writes all his songs.
I would assume.
Because looking at the writer credits.
joe rogan
Bro, try getting someone to write that.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Try getting some studio guy to write that.
post malone
Dude, those guys in Nashville write fucking songs.
joe rogan
They write some fucking songs.
post malone
They write some fucking songs, dude.
joe rogan
They do.
They do.
post malone
I think what makes a good country song is the tag.
There's always a tag and like you look at like classic country and You know like George Strait.
It's like I've got oceanfront property in Arizona You know what I mean?
That's an amazing basis for a song you just think about like if you'll buy that I'll throw the Golden Gate fucking bridge in for free.
You know what I mean?
It's just like There's always a good fucking tag and Luke Luke, when he says, when it rains, it pours.
All that shit.
It's snappy.
It stays in your fucking head.
And you think about it.
And those songs are so well written.
joe rogan
Craftsmanship.
post malone
Off of one idea.
joe rogan
Right.
post malone
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
And Coulter does a lot of shit where it tells the story.
The story of it.
But that idea is always there.
And that's something that's so cool.
And it just stays with you.
And you think about it.
And then you go and look up the lyrics.
Once you look up the lyrics to a fucking country song, it's fucking crazy.
Like, have you ever looked up the lyrics to Clementine?
Like, Oh My Darling Clementine?
unidentified
No.
post malone
That is the saddest song of...
Oh, it's like a murder song, right?
No.
joe rogan
What's it about?
post malone
It's about a prospector or a miner, and his daughter goes...
She falls into a river, and he can't swim, so he can't save her, and she's gone.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
post malone
But how long have you known that song?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
This is terrible.
post malone
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Drove the horses to the water every morning just at nine.
Hit her foot against a splinter.
Fell into the foaming brine.
Ruby lips above the water.
Blowing bubbles soft and fine.
But alas, I was no swimmer.
So I lost my climbing time.
unidentified
Isn't that...
post malone
You gave me chills right there fucking reading it.
joe rogan
Oh.
Oh, God.
post malone
Isn't that crazy, dude?
joe rogan
Oh, God.
post malone
But you think, oh, my darling, oh, my darling.
It sounds so happy.
I don't know.
It's so cool.
I don't know.
You take those songs and you look at fucking what it's about.
It's crazy, man.
I love looking into that shit.
joe rogan
You know what I really like listening to?
When I really want to try to imagine a time.
I really like listening to Robert Johnson.
post malone
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Listen, Robert Johnson and I just imagine the time and what year was...
There's only one good, solid recordings of Robert Johnson.
It was like one session, I think.
I don't think he had more than one album that you can get, right?
But what year was that?
post malone
1936. That's crazy.
joe rogan
Bro.
And that guy was so good, they thought he sold his soul to the devil.
They're like, there's no way you can be that good.
No way.
1936 and 1937. Wow.
Most were first released on 78 RPM records in 1937. Wow.
post malone
So how did he become such a legend, you gotta wonder?
Did he just go around and everybody knew him?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
It's a good question.
I guess he was just like the Dave Chappelle of blues singers back then.
He was just this guy that was above everybody and everybody was like, Jesus Christ.
post malone
How?
joe rogan
How are you doing this?
post malone
He would play like just...
I love that Delta fucking sound.
joe rogan
It's so scrappy.
It's so scrappy.
But it's also, you've got to imagine the time.
People are just, this is like during the Great Depression, right?
People are starving.
They're fucked.
The world's fucked.
It's post-World War I, pre-World War II. Horrible time.
Just squalor and famine.
post malone
Hard stretch.
joe rogan
Hard to get real good food.
It's not like there's a Whole Foods in your fucking neighborhood.
Things were weird back then.
And this guy is in the deep south.
post malone
This is recording.
unidentified
record.
I went to the crossroad, fell down on my knees.
I went to the closet Fell out of my knee At the Lord above, I'm going to say
joe rogan
Say, poor Bob, if you please - What's crazy is all music, recorded music, has its roots in something from before.
All of it.
This emerged.
His creation.
When this got sold and entered into the zeitgeist of human consciousness, now they're aware that there's a guy out there that can do this.
Because before there wasn't anybody like this guy, right?
And then all of a sudden he comes along and hits this level that nobody had ever hit before.
post malone
Yeah, you gotta, like, that's crazy because, like, all these ideas, like...
Who invented a pinch harmonic?
Like on the guitar.
If I hold my pick just right and hit that fucking string, it's gonna sound this different and I'm gonna make that my signature sound and then you're just gonna blow up.
But that's just something that you do.
Like his vibrato on his voice and shit.
I think that's something, whenever I first started making music, that was something that really, like, if not propelled me, was something that was a little different.
Because I had a little...
I always tried to copy, like, Stevie Nicks, and there's a guy named Conor Oberst from Bright Eyes, and he would have this great, like...
Vibrato in his voice when he sang and Stevie would too and I think that that wasn't being done and that's just the way I naturally sang as a kid and it sounded like shit but as I got older that's just the way I sang so I think that kind of was a thing that I wouldn't say propelled me, but made me a little different.
You know what I mean?
Because everybody has their own unique style, and there's something to listen to for everybody, you know?
And I think that was something that really, like...
It's like, okay, this is...
He has a unique voice, if that makes sense, you know?
joe rogan
Yes.
post malone
It's like...
joe rogan
Authentic.
post malone
Very much so.
And that's just how I sang since I was a kid.
And I think if you, like, grow up doing something, and I'm in no way comparing it to anything, I'm just saying how that cuts through.
Like, he played his whole fucking life.
unidentified
Right.
post malone
Whoa, fuck.
If he did sell his soul, I mean, fuck.
joe rogan
I don't think he did.
post malone
He got a good gig.
joe rogan
But, you know, that's the whole...
post malone
The legend.
joe rogan
The fun legend.
post malone
The legend.
joe rogan
But that's also just when someone stands out like that, you're always going to have those kind of stories.
People love to bullshit.
post malone
You just keep going.
And especially like Stevie.
Stevie, you could tell when he's playing the guitar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it sounds like Stevie very hard.
post malone
You can tell, but that's just shit you grow up and you have like a little fucking quirk.
You know, like, there's a tone that you have whenever...
Even when you're first starting, like, you don't do something perfectly correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
But then it turns out to be your thing.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a sound when guys are playing where you know it's them.
It's interesting, right?
post malone
It's crazy.
Especially on a non-vocal...
joe rogan
Right.
A musical instrument.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Gary Clark Jr. is a great example of that too.
jamie vernon
He died the next year after recording his stuff.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He was 27. 27?!
Just like everybody else.
Just like Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Kurt Cobain.
27. It's fucking crazy, dude.
That age is nuts for rock stars.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a nutty age.
And it seems like if you get through that age, you live to be a million.
post malone
Well, that's...
unidentified
Rolling Stones on tour.
joe rogan
They're Biden's age.
They look great.
post malone
I remember there was a psychic that on my birthday said I was gonna die when I turned 27. Oh, what a cunt.
I don't know.
joe rogan
What a cunt.
She's just lying, making shit up.
That bitch isn't a psychic.
post malone
Well now, hindsight's always 20-27.
joe rogan
You lied!
But she put that shit in your head, man.
unidentified
That could've been a self-manifesting prophecy.
post malone
But as soon as I turn 28, I'm like, fuck it.
I'm getting on every fucking combine, every fucking helicopter, every fucking motor vehicle I see, I'm going.
Except for really high buildings.
joe rogan
Y2K, when it was all over.
post malone
Exactly, you'd be like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Everything's fine.
post malone
I'm not cursed.
It's crazy how that...
And also, Jim Morrison died when he was 27?
joe rogan
Yep.
post malone
How is he 27?
joe rogan
How is he that good?
post malone
How is he 27?
joe rogan
You know, his car is like a source of mystery.
There's like one guy claims he has his car, but apparently it's the wrong VIN number.
But his car, he had a 1967 Shelby GT500. Cool.
And he had it for only like a year or two, and then he sold it, and then there's a provenance of it where people are trying to track it.
unidentified
Cool.
That's evil.
post malone
He looks like Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
He does.
If Jesus Christ was here, he'd drive a 1967 Shelby GT500. If Jesus had to drive, I tell you what, he wouldn't be driving a minivan.
He'd be driving American Muscle.
That's why we would listen.
post malone
No, he'd be driving a Tesla.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He would drive a goddamn American Muscle car and realize, just plant more trees.
They'll eat the gas.
Or something.
post malone
Look at that, though.
He was so pumped to have that car.
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
To just run next to it.
How pumped are you to have that fucking car?
joe rogan
I think he filmed something with it.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I think he did some sort of a thing where he filmed himself with the car.
I don't remember what he did.
I remember it was something.
But there's people who have tried to track the car, and there's one gentleman on YouTube who says he owns it.
It's definitely the same exact car, but whether or not that's the one, I don't know.
post malone
The VIN number discrepancy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know, back then everything's just written down on paper.
Who knows what the fuck people...
And also if somebody might have changed the VINs because they were trying to...
Maybe someone stole it from somebody.
I don't fucking know.
You know, it's like you're dealing with like 50 plus years of shit going down.
Who knows what happened, but...
post malone
What's your favorite card?
joe rogan
I don't really have a favorite car, a favorite specific car, but if I had a favorite kind of car, it would be American Muscle cars.
Those are my favorite cars.
Because those cars, even though they're not the fastest cars, they don't handle the best, those cars are literally like a rolling piece of art.
You're driving around in this iconic time machine of art.
You know, someone created this shape, this beautiful shape, and you see that shape, and you go, oh!
You see a 69 Mustang, you just go, oh!
post malone
My dad's got a 69 Camaro.
Oh, yeah.
It's blue with the stripes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Beautiful car.
No, it is beautiful.
That's why I said, Dad, I'm waiting for you to kick the bucket so I can grab that.
joe rogan
Don't you have one of them six-wheel Hennessys?
post malone
Yeah, I did.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
That thing is so gigantic.
post malone
It's so fun.
Do you have a pickup out here?
joe rogan
I don't.
Yeah, I have one out here.
I don't have it here today.
Today I drove my Tesla.
Today I drove my electric car.
post malone
It's a Jesus Christ car.
joe rogan
That's what Jesus is.
No, Jesus would drive a fucking Shelby.
post malone
That's it!
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that thing.
That is so crazy.
A six-wheel drive car.
Now, all that extra weight with those extra two wheels and an extra axle in the back, like, is that fast still?
post malone
It's fast.
It's bumpy, but it's fast.
joe rogan
Oh, I imagine.
You could probably tow a fucking giant boat with that thing, man.
post malone
That's right.
joe rogan
All that traction.
post malone
It is so fun to drive.
It is inconvenient in Salt Lake City.
joe rogan
How so?
Because it stands out?
post malone
I can't get into any of the spots.
unidentified
Oh, parking spots.
post malone
It's so big.
I can't get into any of the spots.
joe rogan
You got an extra half a car out back.
post malone
I go to the Applebee's and I'm like, alright, well, I don't know if any...
I try to, like, get it perfect in because I don't want to be the dickhead that blocks any spots, but if I don't go in far enough...
It sticks out so fucking big out the back and I just gotta go in just a little bit into the next spot.
Just a tiny bit.
joe rogan
Just a smidge.
post malone
Just like the wench on the front.
joe rogan
Well, for most people that's fine if you have a regular car.
post malone
Yeah, you can get in there.
joe rogan
There's other spots.
post malone
I love the Applebee's, but it's not usually super full.
joe rogan
You're an Applebee's guy.
post malone
I love Applebee's.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
What's it about Applebee's?
post malone
I love the neighborhood, man.
joe rogan
I love the atmosphere.
post malone
I love the drink they give you that comes with a gummy shark.
joe rogan
Which one's that?
post malone
I don't know what it's called.
joe rogan
It's like one of them signature cocktails?
post malone
Yeah, but it's so good.
And they have a special Mountain Dew at Applebee's.
joe rogan
They do?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's special?
post malone
Yeah, it's special.
It's only at Applebee's.
joe rogan
What's this special?
post malone
You looking for another one of those?
joe rogan
No, I got this one right here.
post malone
It's like a raspberry flavor, I think.
It's called, like, Space Punch.
Darkberry Bash.
It's called, actually, NASA uses orange filters on Mars Bash.
I swear to God, check that shit out.
Look into it, guys.
joe rogan
I think what Jamie is saying about color correction, though, is accurate.
jamie vernon
Yeah, like when I was just looking at photos, they all come black and white, I think.
joe rogan
Right.
I think the thing is that they're just getting data.
They're getting data, and that data has to be interpreted into an image.
And it's a lot more complicated than you taking a picture on your iPhone and texting it to me, and I get it, and it's in full resolution.
post malone
Look up Mars copy and paste.
Look up NASA copy and paste.
Let's see if this works.
unidentified
I'll add Mars.
post malone
Just add Mars for a buzzword.
joe rogan
What do you think about all this UFO disclosure shit?
Are you paying attention to it?
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's...
post malone
I think it's pretty cool.
joe rogan
That's pretty interesting, right?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting?
Like, how little people seem to care.
post malone
Because we already know!
joe rogan
I know, but it's interesting that, like, there wasn't, like, some moment where people, like, were like, holy shit!
Aliens are real!
post malone
Pretty soon that's coming.
joe rogan
You think?
I think it's...
Because of this slow trickle, it's gonna be...
We just accept it.
post malone
Well, they try to normalize it with, like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Like, War of the Worlds, which is like...
Battle of Los Angeles and shit like that.
That was a real fucking thing that happened.
The pictures of Battle of Los Angeles is crazy.
joe rogan
What happened exactly in Battle of Los Angeles?
post malone
There's this big object in the sky and we're shooting machine guns at it.
We got spotlights.
unidentified
This is like in the 50s, maybe?
jamie vernon
I've never seen it.
It's this photo.
post malone
Look at this shit.
unidentified
Wow.
post malone
So we're putting fucking rounds on this fucking thing.
joe rogan
Spotlights on this thing in the sky.
post malone
Look at the rounds!
joe rogan
Right, but what is it that they see?
That's weird that all you can see is spotlights.
jamie vernon
1947 it says in the corner.
joe rogan
Boy, that looks like a fucking flying saucer.
post malone
Look at in the middle and look at...
But those things around it, those are fucking like ma deuce rounds.
Like, they're shooting at this fucking thing.
They don't know what it is.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's a famous story from the Soviet Union that these guys shot at a UFO and it turned them into stone.
post malone
Is it true?
joe rogan
I don't know.
The CIA investigated it.
Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.
Because I sent it to Jeremy Corbell, and that's what I asked him.
post malone
Fuck, I should have had links, Jamie.
God damn it.
joe rogan
Well, this is the only link I have.
It's, uh...
post malone
CIA UFO turned into STEM. You're definitely on a watch list, Jamie.
joe rogan
Yeah, so there's literally, like, a CIA document about it that these guys...
Supposedly shot at a low-flying spaceship.
According to the KGB materials, a quite low-flying spaceship in the shape of a saucer appeared above a military unit that was conducting routine training maneuvers.
For unknown reasons, somebody unexpectedly launched a surface-to-air missile and hit the UFO. It fell to Earth not far away, and five short humanoids with large heads and large black eyes emerged from it.
It is stated in the testimonies by the two soldiers who remained alive that after freeing themselves from the debris, the aliens came close together and then merged into a single object that acquired a spherical shape.
that object began to buzz and hiss sharply and then became brilliant white and a few seconds the spheres grew much bigger and Exploded by flaring up with an extremely blight bright light at that very instant 23 soldiers who had watched the phenomenon turned into stone poles poles Yeah, only two soldiers who stood in the shade and were less exposed to the luminous explosion survived.
post malone
No shit.
joe rogan
The KGB report goes on to say that the remains of the UFO and the petrified soldiers were transferred to a secret scientific research institution near Moscow.
Specialists assume that a source of energy that is still unknown to earthlings instantly changed the structure of the soldiers living organisms having transformed it into a substance whose molecular composition is no different from that of limestone.
post malone
It turned them into limestone.
joe rogan
Turned them literally into limestone.
post malone
And this is a CIA paperwork?
joe rogan
Well, this is, you know, they're reading from a KGB file, right?
So It's just, go to the very bottom of that again, Jamie, at the very bottom of that.
It's one of the things that says, the CIA representative stated, if the KGB file corresponds to reality, this is an extremely menacing case.
The aliens possess such weapons and technology that go beyond all our assumptions.
They can stand up for themselves if attacked.
The thing is, they're saying if the file corresponds to reality, that means there's a question.
post malone
If this is real, they're tough.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can fuck with you.
post malone
What year was this released?
joe rogan
I don't know.
jamie vernon
Source is a newspaper.
post malone
1991?
joe rogan
93. 93. So, there's all these disclosures that are going on right now, and they're very, very fascinating.
Because it's hard to know what's true and what's not true.
But it's interesting that they're talking about it.
But no one's showed me anything yet.
I'm waiting for them to show me things.
I've seen some things already, like those videos that they took off the FLIR video and the GO FAST video and these videos of these things where these jet fighter pilots are trying to track this thing and it's like zipping across the sky and they're like, what the fuck is that?
I've seen a few of those.
I've talked to two different fighter pilots that have had encounters.
post malone
And they're all in.
joe rogan
They're all in.
I think there's a real thing going on.
What that real thing is, is what's confusing to me.
I think some of it has to be ours.
I think some of it has to be like super advanced drone technology that we don't want everyone knowing about.
And it's probably some black op shit.
But I don't think that's all of it.
I think it's also possible that we've been visited.
It just makes sense.
It sounds so stupid.
That's part of the problem of even talking about it because it sounds dumb.
Because there's no evidence.
So you have to believe in something where there's no evidence of it other than some blurry photographs.
But then when you just think about the size of the universe itself and the fact that we exist.
We exist here on this planet.
We're real.
We know we're real.
post malone
What if it's fucking a Martha or whatever and they're from fucking the center of the earth and the holes in...
The polar, the poles or whatever, north and south, and that's where the holes are, and that's why Google Maps blocks it all out and all that shit.
joe rogan
Well, that would be a great theory before cell phones.
But it's not there.
post malone
You still can't see it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can with satellites.
And also flight patterns.
post malone
Copy and paste, by the way.
joe rogan
You know who doesn't think the world is flat?
Pilots.
post malone
True.
Or anyone who's been in an airplane.
joe rogan
They fly around these motherfuckers.
They know where they have to go.
They know the flight patterns.
post malone
You look at it.
joe rogan
You see it.
Also, by the way, everything's round.
Go out in the fucking sky and look at Mars, look at Jupiter, get a telescope, look at all the stars.
Notice how everything's round?
Seems like there's a pattern going on.
Why would this be different?
post malone
This ass is round.
I don't know.
It's so weird, man.
I don't know.
And you're talking about the oh shit moment.
I think we've been so normalized to it.
Like E.T. all this shit.
Growing up watching this shit.
To where it's like, yeah, no shit.
Everyone, no matter what the surveys say or anything, everyone thinks there's like...
Something going on.
joe rogan
Everyone.
Yeah.
There's a few people that still are very incredulous.
Elon, believe it or not, is incredulous.
unidentified
He's famously said, if aliens are real, they sure are subtle.
post malone
They're very subtle.
Bigfoot's subtle, too.
Doesn't mean he's not an interdimensional being that could teleport at will.
joe rogan
He knows where the cameras are.
post malone
He's an omniscient being.
joe rogan
He shuts down trail cams.
post malone
Bigfoot is just Jesus Christ, full beard, all over.
joe rogan
He's just Woods Jesus.
post malone
Yeah, that's what he is.
Y'all seen the Woods Jesus?
joe rogan
He's a mythical creature that's looking out for humanity.
unidentified
Our brothers and sisters, they need our help.
post malone
He's a benevolent, kind being.
He's got a big heart.
joe rogan
Bro, the biggest scam ever pulled in the American public is finding Bigfoot.
unidentified
That show, they did that show for like 50 years.
post malone
It is so good.
It's so good.
I like the Bigfoot Hunters.
joe rogan
I like all those shows.
I know they're not going to catch it, and I don't care.
post malone
Of course, I still watch it.
And you can tell, now, it's gotten to the point where it's all just...
Just actors.
They're just going out there.
This is so scripted, it's not even funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're pretending that they're encountering things and they're hearing things in the woods.
post malone
It's crazy.
I watch...
There's this whole...
On Discovery, I watch Discovery...
Or I have Discovery Plus.
And there's a show about vampires.
And they were talking to these two vampire hunters.
And they were like...
It was like, imagine like Blade, but like two blades and they were like acting like Blade.
unidentified
And I was like, this is not fucking, this is on Discovery.
post malone
This is on Discovery, dude.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
post malone
Dude, it was like two blades.
joe rogan
What if they go fucking kill somebody?
They're crazy.
post malone
That's what I'm saying.
They're like, we know, we know they're fucking out there, but it's all, it's all acting.
joe rogan
Bro, imagine if they were.
That opening scene to Blade, when that dude gets dragged into the vampire disco.
post malone
I don't like surprises.
Or he does like surprises, actually.
That shit's amazing.
joe rogan
Play that scene.
post malone
That is so good.
joe rogan
Play that scene.
I think that's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever.
post malone
It is so good.
joe rogan
And Tracy Lords is the one who takes him there.
unidentified
Dude.
post malone
The first two Blade movies were the fucking best shit ever.
The first one's legit as fuck.
And he cuts that guy's hand off with this fucking drawstring thing.
Oh man, that's so cool, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, those movies are the shit.
But the first one's the best.
This poor dork thinks he's gonna get to bang Tracy Lords and she drags him through this meat processing thing and while he's doing it, he kind of sees people.
He's like, what the fuck?
As he's going through all this hanging meat, they get to a point where people are rolling by.
He's looking at frozen people.
But this dumb motherfucker wants pussy so bad he keeps going.
post malone
If you see an elevator, or just a normal elevator with a bouncer and a trench coat...
joe rogan
He's ready to bail and she grabs him and kisses him.
And he's like, okay, cool.
This song is so hard.
post malone
This song is so hard.
joe rogan
Give me that, Jamie.
This fucking scene rules, dude.
post malone
She's great, too.
She's great, too.
Frost's, like, girlfriend in the movie.
joe rogan
Yes.
And that dude who plays the sidekick who gets his hand cut off.
That guy's the shit.
post malone
He's so good.
joe rogan
I fucking love this scene.
Because...
They all know he's meat and he doesn't know he's meat.
post malone
He's the only meat in there.
joe rogan
Only meat in there, man.
And they all recognize it.
post malone
And he's trying to get behind it.
He's like, woo!
unidentified
Woohoo!
colter wall
Let's go!
joe rogan
Yeah, he starts dancing out there.
Look at him.
unidentified
What's up, dude?
What's up, bro?
post malone
And then the blood.
joe rogan
It's so crazy because you don't know.
So far, you don't know what the fuck is going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
post malone
Did they stop the new Blade?
I heard they were making...
joe rogan
I think there's a series, right?
post malone
But I heard...
I thought it was a movie and they stopped making it.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Did they?
post malone
I don't know.
I hope not.
jamie vernon
It definitely got pushed back a few months.
post malone
It got pushed back.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, there's the writer's girl thing.
unidentified
I want to watch it.
joe rogan
There's the fucking actor's strike.
post malone
Whenever Blade comes in, Wesley's such a fucking hard-ass.
joe rogan
Oh, this scene's insane.
jamie vernon
Let's go ahead.
post malone
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Thank you, Jamie.
joe rogan
Yeah, here's the point where the blood starts dripping from the ceiling That's so good And they're all throwing their arms out in the air.
post malone
Why does no one do this?
This would be a crazy party.
unidentified
In, like, real life, this would be a crazy fucking party.
post malone
Not real blood, but, like, pretend blood.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to do pretend.
But then people would do one with real blood.
Just like they're having no-rules fights where you eye gouge.
post malone
Yeah, you win by eye gouging.
unidentified
What's wrong, baby?
Ah!
joe rogan
Now he's realizing it's all vampires around him.
He's about to get fucked up.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
unidentified
They're so good.
Oh, fuck. - Oh!
post malone
Oh my god, look how clean.
Blade is so clean right here too.
joe rogan
Look at that.
The daywalker.
post malone
Motherfuckers always trying to ice skate uphill is what he says to Frost right before he fucking kills him.
unidentified
That's the coolest thing.
post malone
Yo, let's go!
joe rogan
Come on That I think is like out of all the superhero movies that's the best Yeah, it is.
post malone
It's so good.
joe rogan
The best introduction of a superhero ever.
post malone
It's so good.
It starts in the...
It's so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's how you see Blade.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the first time.
post malone
That's why I was so disappointed.
They're still doing the 2020...
Because it's supposed to be this year, but I don't know if it's actually...
jamie vernon
There's a teaser trailer for it.
joe rogan
Hold on.
post malone
Because that was my favorite shit as a kid.
jamie vernon
Oh, it's a trailer?
unidentified
It is a hunt.
post malone
He's so good.
That actor they got to do Blade, he is so good.
unidentified
I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven.
We'd be at the bottom of the food chain up there, but down here, we could live like kings.
Sure you're ready for that, Mr. Whitman?
jamie vernon
Uh, this might...
What was that?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
post malone
I don't know.
jamie vernon
He didn't say that, so this could be a fake trailer.
post malone
He didn't see that.
He did not say that.
It could just be lagged.
joe rogan
How do you know he didn't say that?
post malone
Maybe it's just like a re-upload or something?
jamie vernon
His mount didn't move that way.
unidentified
Sure you're ready for that, Mr. Whip?
post malone
Yeah, not even close.
joe rogan
Let it go, though.
unidentified
I'm dating.
There are watchers behind the eyes all over the city.
joe rogan
That looked okay.
unidentified
He drinks human blood.
Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I will grant you the destiny you see.
Night is not a game.
It is a hunt.
jamie vernon
See, it looked weird.
post malone
Yeah, that wasn't a real trailer.
jamie vernon
It's like a fan-edited trailer.
joe rogan
You think so?
jamie vernon
I've seen a really good one recently where people were actually getting real jobs for making fan-edited trailers.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's smart, right?
And then you show it to the studio.
The studio's like, find that fucking guy.
post malone
They just take, what, from the teaser or whatever and put a song there?
You know what drives me crazy?
Who decided that that's how music for a trailer has to be?
Ba-dum!
joe rogan
Right.
Anticipation.
post malone
You know what?
It was the inception.
It was inception that was like...
unidentified
Right.
post malone
I don't know.
Every movie trailer soundtrack is exactly the same.
Every movie trailer soundtrack is exactly the same.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
It's true, though.
It's a pattern to get you jazzed up about something.
post malone
But see, it's starting to wear off because I'm like, okay, I hear it.
Now we need a trailer with no music.
joe rogan
Trailers used to be one of my favorite parts of going to the movies.
post malone
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
You got a good trailer.
A good solid trailer that sucks you in, you're like, oh shit!
That was how you found out about movies back then.
post malone
Right, right.
jamie vernon
Oh, you didn't see Oppenheimer yet, right?
post malone
No, no, no, no, no.
jamie vernon
They show a trailer for this before, and the sound, because you're in the IMAX theater with Oppenheimer, makes this movie...
I mean, it already looks good, but the trailer and the audio...
post malone
Is it the same soundtrack?
joe rogan
Oh, this is Killers of a Flower Moon.
jamie vernon
No, it's not at all, but, like, just...
They added...
Whoever added this together did a great job.
post malone
Oh, is this new?
jamie vernon
Yeah, this comes out later this year.
joe rogan
Killers of the Flower Moon.
post malone
Leo's a beast.
unidentified
My color.
jamie vernon
They used the same grave.
unidentified
The Osage.
They have the worst land possible.
But they outsmarted everybody.
post malone
The land had oil on it.
unidentified
Black gold.
Money flows freely here now.
jamie vernon
I do love that money, sir.
unidentified
This wealth should come to us.
Their time is over.
This is going to be another tragedy.
When this money started coming, we should have known it came to something else.
They're like buzzards circling our people.
We're still warriors.
I ought to kill these white men who killed my family.
We're still warriors.
I need you here.
I am right here.
You've got to take back control of your home.
I was sent down from Washington, D.C. to see about these murders.
See what about them?
We'll see who's doing it.
Expecting a miracle to make all this go away?
you You know they don't happen anymore.
joe rogan
Whoa.
post malone
It's a good trailer.
unidentified
Ooh.
post malone
That's a good fucking trailer.
joe rogan
That's an original trailer soundtrack, too.
post malone
That's a good fucking trailer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
I'm gonna see that fucking movie.
jamie vernon
Cut well.
post malone
I'm gonna see that fucking movie.
joe rogan
You ever watch an old movie with no soundtrack in it?
And you're like, wow, this is wild.
They have no music in this movie.
post malone
I'm trying to think of the last movie I watched with no soundtrack in it.
joe rogan
If you watch some old, like watch The Hustler with Paul Newman and Jackie Gleason, there's no music playing.
Unless there's music in the background of a bar or something where they're at.
There's no music that accompanies the scenes.
jamie vernon
No Country for Old Men.
unidentified
No Country for Old Men.
post malone
That's the best movie of all time.
I love that fucking movie.
Javier Bardum is like the best bad guy of all time.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's insane in that movie.
He's insane in that movie.
He's unhinged.
Thank you.
He really does appear to be that guy.
He feels like a psychotic guy that kills you with a cattle prod.
post malone
Even that scene where he's driving on the bridge.
And there's a bird on the bridge and he just goes and tries to kill it.
But misses.
That says so much about that character.
unidentified
It is so fucking good.
joe rogan
The way he kills people too is so crazy.
post malone
The fucking shower curtain.
unidentified
The shower curtain where he sees that motherfucker and he's like, man.
post malone
Just blasts him through the shower curtain.
I love that movie.
That movie has no music in it.
I love that.
I love that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird thing where you're listening to music in a scene and it's telling you how to think.
Right.
Where it kind of takes away a little bit of the suspension of disbelief that you're that character.
post malone
And that's why I love the contrast and the juxtaposition of Different music than you would expect.
Like, and a Django whenever he goes and fucking kills the whole house to Tupac.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
That shit is so hard because it's been Western music the whole time.
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
That's such a Tarantino move.
He always has amazing music choices.
post malone
For those big culmination scenes, what was the song in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Whenever everything was fucking going down.
Because it always builds up to that one scene with the contrasting music.
It is so fucking cool.
I love that.
I love that.
It's just like, oh, I'm gonna fucking be in a war scene to like fucking, like, where's my mind?
Like, even the where is my mind?
Like, that's great.
But like, it just, it's so, it's so fucking cool, dude.
unidentified
This scene is insane Music in the background Yeah, there's music.
post malone
There's music there.
jamie vernon
Doors?
No.
unidentified
Did you watch this movie?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
post malone
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
I Watched this movie Dave Chappelle and Donnell Rawlings in a movie theater that we had all rented out it There was no one in it but us.
All the comics and the dudes we work with went to see it at like 2 o'clock in the morning after our show.
post malone
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
unidentified
You get that build up for that fucking...
joe rogan
It's also such a Tarantino movie.
The violence in it is so egregious.
But only in that one deal!
Right, but it's enough.
unidentified
It's enough!
post malone
It's so good!
And then he goes, he's like, you know what?
I'm getting out the fucking flamethrower from my movie prop from a while ago.
That shit is so crazy, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, you're a home intruder?
I'm pulling out my fucking flamethrower.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
post malone
That shit is crazy, dude.
joe rogan
It's a crazy movie, man.
post malone
I love that movie.
joe rogan
It's such a fun movie too because it's like a reimagining of the Manson murders.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
post malone
Was it Manson?
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
Like actual?
Or was it like a play off of?
joe rogan
I think it was the Manson family coming after him.
But he happens to be there.
post malone
No, it was.
Yeah, it was.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
post malone
Because Tate's in the movie.
Everybody, the director.
jamie vernon
Manson's in the movie briefly.
post malone
The Italian...
Director that was with Sharon Tate.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, Manson was in that.
That's right.
post malone
That's crazy, dude.
And they go to that ranch.
They go to the ranch and they're looking for the owner of the ranch and he's sleeping.
He's like, he doesn't feel very good.
That's a crazy movie.
joe rogan
It is a crazy movie.
post malone
It's very good.
It's a very good movie.
joe rogan
And that's what they did too.
They whack people for Charlie.
post malone
And just...
Is the ranch story real?
I guess specifically is what I'm thinking about.
joe rogan
What is the actual story?
Like, what do they say?
That they killed the guy who owned the ranch and took it over or something?
post malone
Yeah, well, I guess in the movie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
He's super...
He's dead.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's based on a real story, but I bet it is.
I bet that's real.
post malone
Or at least if he's not dead, he's just fucking fucked up out of his mind.
They gave him all the drugs in the world.
joe rogan
But I think there were some cases of girls honeypotting dudes and then the other Manson family guys would come over and it would turn into a shit show.
I think that's what happened with Brian Wilson and Dennis Wilson, his manager.
They became entrenched with Charles Manson.
And I think Dennis, we brought up this the other day, right?
Dennis Wilson was his manager at one point or something, was going to produce a record for him or something like that.
And it went sour.
And, you know, then now you have the fucking head of the Manson family who hates you and he wants to kill you.
post malone
Same Brian Wilson?
joe rogan
Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys.
Yeah.
Yeah, his brother was a producer.
post malone
Have you listened to his music?
joe rogan
Sure.
Look at that.
His music is so...
Yeah, it's fucking weird.
post malone
It's weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, play some Charles Manson music.
post malone
It's weird listening to his voice, like, because we know, but that was, like, right before.
It's crazy, dude.
It's so, it fucking gives me fucking chills, dude.
It's so weird.
unidentified
Think you're loving, baby And all you're doing is crying Can you feel?
Are those feelings real?
Look at your game, girl Look at your game, girl What a mad delusion Living in that confusion Frustration and doubt Can you ever live without It makes sense that he could do that.
It's weird, man.
joe rogan
Because he's charismatic, right?
He was a cult leader.
He has charisma.
He knows how to captivate people's attention.
And that's what he's doing through his singing.
post malone
It's so weird, dude.
Weird.
unidentified
Weird.
post malone
It gave me chills, like, listening to that fucking come on and look at that fucking picture.
It's just so...
It's so strange.
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
It's strange.
joe rogan
It's strange.
Strange as a recording.
Charles Manson's song was out there.
post malone
It's crazy.
I think there's more.
I think there's more than that.
There's like a whole record now.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Did you ever see Searching for Sugar Man?
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
Do you know the story behind it?
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
Bro, this is a crazy story.
jamie vernon
That might have been him singing, just for record.
joe rogan
What's that?
post malone
That wasn't him?
joe rogan
Wasn't Charles Manson?
jamie vernon
It's fake.
No, no, no.
I'm reading that he wrote these songs.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
And someone else sung it?
jamie vernon
That might have been someone else's voice.
joe rogan
Might have been, or it is?
Trying to figure it out?
jamie vernon
The actual thing we just listened to, I don't know, but I'm like, here's a link that says, listen to these Charles Manson songs, and he's credited as the songwriter for them.
Like, he might have been trying to write Beach Boys songs.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Interesting.
post malone
I didn't know they had any...
Brian Wilson and...
joe rogan
Yeah.
post malone
They had any connection.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
This one says that these are performed by Steve Grogan.
post malone
Steve Grogan.
joe rogan
Ah, okay.
So he wrote it.
1970 recordings of Manson songs.
Whoa.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Jamie, Google searching for Sugar Man.
This is a movie that I think you would love.
So this movie is about this guy who made these albums.
He made an album in the 70s, made some recordings.
And nobody, they didn't take off over here in America.
But people were playing them in South Africa.
And in South Africa, this guy was gigantic.
And there was all these rumors about him being dead.
Meanwhile, the guy was in America doing construction work.
He was like a laborer.
post malone
Really?
joe rogan
Yes!
So then all of a sudden they find him.
What is his name?
It says it right there.
Just scroll up.
Rodriguez.
So this guy doesn't know that he's a fucking huge star in South Africa.
And they find him and then they bring him to South Africa to do a concert.
And it's fucking bananas.
Imagine having no idea that there's hundreds of thousands of people.
unidentified
How does that happen?
post malone
What year is this?
joe rogan
Well, the documentary was like...
jamie vernon
Ten years ago was when the movie came out.
joe rogan
Right.
And like, what was the event?
jamie vernon
98, it said on that tape, and they just showed up.
joe rogan
So 98. So no internet.
So that's how it happens.
This is the kind of shit that happened before the internet.
Somebody got ahold of his records.
post malone
And played it on the radio.
joe rogan
Some guy was an aficionado.
It was like, I love this song.
And he has some great songs.
It's some great music.
It's really interesting music.
And, you know, he was a fucking huge star in another country and he had no idea.
And this is the movie about him going on stage.
It brought me to tears, man.
Brought me to tears.
When he went on stage, it's like, holy shit, what is that like for him?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
This guy had no idea.
post malone
That's crazy.
It's like he's living in a dream.
How do you even go do a show?
How do you even go do a show?
joe rogan
How do you do a show?
post malone
I can't do a fucking show, and I know that there's people coming.
Like, I can't even fucking do a show.
joe rogan
He's believed to have sold more records in South Africa than Elvis Presley.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Insane.
jamie vernon
Sixto Rodriguez is his name.
joe rogan
Wow.
You ever heard of any of his stuff?
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
Let me pull up something.
Pull up some shit.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
He's got a great voice.
It's great stuff.
jamie vernon
Sugar Man, I guess?
joe rogan
Yes, Sugar Man's a good one.
post malone
Looking for...
joe rogan
Trying to find one.
unidentified
Here is a good one.
Won't you hurry?
Cause I'm tired of these scenes For a blue coin Won't you bring back All those colors to my dreams Silver magic ships you carry Jumpers,
Coke, Sweet Mary Jane On a lonely, dusty road.
Lost my heart when I found it.
It had turned to dead, black hole.
Silver magic ships you carry.
Jumpers, coke, It's a good fucking song, right?
post malone
It's so good.
unidentified
It's really good It's great writing It is.
post malone
It is really good.
It really breathes really fucking nice and his voice is insane.
joe rogan
Jamie, what year was this that this was recorded?
jamie vernon
I think 68. Wow.
post malone
He's one off.
He was almost in the good year.
joe rogan
69. This dude for 30 years thought he didn't make it.
post malone
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And then he goes over and he stands up in front of an arena filled with people.
jamie vernon
He quit music in 1976 and purchased a house in Detroit for $250, technically.
post malone
Wow.
$250?
joe rogan
And he lived there until 2013. Yeah, his house had like no heat, you know, like a fireplace.
It's weird shit, man.
post malone
What's a fireplace?
joe rogan
You know, where the fire is, in the corner.
post malone
That's fucking crazy.
I gotta look into fucking Rodriguez.
What a fucking legend.
joe rogan
I think the guy wound up giving all his money away, too.
He's kind of...
I mean, that might be one of them legend stories.
I tell a lot of those, unfortunately.
Don't turn out to be true.
I hear a lot of legends, and I just fucking repeat them ad nauseum.
But I think the thing about him was people said that he had given his money away.
And that he just kind of went back to a simple life and stopped performing.
Maybe he experienced it in the documentary and all the heat and all the attention.
He's like, yeah, you know what?
I'm an older man now and I'm not interested in this anymore.
I was interested in this when I was a young man.
post malone
I just want to chill.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he fucking knows he did it now.
He's like, wow, people enjoyed it.
And it's really good, man.
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy songs that can slip through.
You find out a song from 1969, and you're like, how is that not a fucking smash hit?
post malone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you ever heard of Johnny Thunder?
post malone
No, sir.
joe rogan
Play I'm Alive by Johnny Thunder.
My friend Brian Simpson told me about this the other day, and he goes, you gotta hear this song.
And we had to do the research.
When was this released?
We thought it was 2011. It's 1969. It was re-released.
But I want you to imagine a world where a dude who makes a song that's this fucking good isn't a superstar.
Listen to this shit.
unidentified
Sounds like the Black Keys.
1960.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
Damn.
post malone
It does sound modern because the way they cut records now is just like...
unidentified
They chase that retro vibe.
Yeah.
What year was this?
joe rogan
69, son.
post malone
His distortion is crazy on that guitar.
unidentified
that tone is amazing god damn this is good whoo I'm gonna get out my phone.
joe rogan
I'll send it to you.
post malone
All right, yeah, please.
Thank you.
joe rogan
I will not forget.
This is one of my favorite songs.
I fucking love this song.
post malone
Yeah, you gotta send that to me.
joe rogan
I listen to this song every night in my green room.
That's like mandatory listening.
post malone
Yeah, that shit is amazing.
joe rogan
I listen to Open the Gates.
That's the first song we listen to when I get in the room because it's a crazy song.
It's just a good way to get it going.
What is this?
This is the other version of it?
jamie vernon
He covered this version of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Their version sucks.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah?
unidentified
This version...
joe rogan
Listen to this.
jamie vernon
It's slower.
joe rogan
Listen to this, though.
post malone
They got good monthly listeners.
They got 1.7 million.
joe rogan
Well, it's Tommy James and the Shondells.
They're very famous.
post malone
I don't know them.
joe rogan
Really?
post malone
No.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They're a 1960s band.
post malone
I would like to see Joe Rogan with, like, a mod haircut.
Yeah, I'd go for it, bro.
You'd look cool.
joe rogan
Full of hair, I'd get mutton chops.
Cruzy, baby.
Let's go, baby.
Give me them fucking big collars, bitch.
Elvis collars.
post malone
Let's go.
Do I make you Randy?
jamie vernon
There's a country version of it, too, with Kenny Chesney and Dave Matthews.
post malone
Okay, let's hear a little bit of that.
Let's hear a little bit of that.
jamie vernon
Actually, it's called I'm Alive.
This could be a different song.
joe rogan
It sounds very different.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Alright, I'll just skip that.
joe rogan
It sounds very different.
Unless they completely whitened it up.
They brutalized it.
post malone
Kenny Chosney does not have the mod haircut, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that song, it's a perfect song.
It's like, just leave it alone.
post malone
Yeah, you get so much with it.
joe rogan
That song's perfect.
That song's so good, man.
It's got so much fucking feeling to it.
And nobody heard about it.
jamie vernon
It's not covered by them.
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
That's not the same song.
joe rogan
Oh, of course.
unidentified
Yeah, it didn't seem like it as you were playing it.
joe rogan
You'd have to have big balls to cover that song after Johnny Thunder.
It's just so good, man.
post malone
Great name, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, what a great name.
post malone
Not a porn star name at all.
joe rogan
Johnny Thunder.
post malone
Joe Rogan, I gotta pee.
joe rogan
All right, my brother.
Let's wrap this up.
post malone
I love you.
joe rogan
I love you, too.
I appreciate you very much, man.
post malone
Thank you for having me, sir.
joe rogan
It's always fun to talk to you.
Let's do it more often.
post malone
I would absolutely love to.
joe rogan
All right.
And I'll see you tomorrow night.
post malone
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Oh, we're going to go to the mothership tonight.
post malone
Yeah, no, we're fucking going to party.
colter wall
Let's go.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
post malone
Good night.
I love you guys.
Be safe.
Keep being amazing.
Have a great night, guys.
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