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Joe Rogan Experience #2019 - Tim Dillon
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joe rogan
Hey, Tim!
tim dillon
Joe Rogan, thank you for having me.
joe rogan
What's up, my brother?
Always good to see you.
tim dillon
Good to be here.
andy stumpf
You escaped from L.A. before the massive strike.
tim dillon
Yeah, well, I think it didn't affect flights as much as I thought, but it was 11,000 city workers decided to strike.
And a lot of those are, but air traffic controllers are federal.
But the baggage claims all screwed up.
They canceled a bunch of stuff.
I don't know.
It's 11,000 city workers.
I don't know what they're...
I think it's a bunch of different groups of them that want stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is there specific demands?
Is it pay increase?
tim dillon
Maybe they want to stop getting killed by the homeless.
Maybe it's very reasonable.
Maybe it has nothing to do with money, and they're like, we just want to stop being like people flinging their excrement at us while we're cleaning the park.
joe rogan
Could be.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what the demands are.
Maybe they're scared they're going to be replaced by AI, like the actors and writers.
joe rogan
They might be.
tim dillon
Who knows?
joe rogan
You know what the sketchiest thing that I saw about the whole actor-writer thing was that for background players, when people work on a film, they wanted access to their image Forever.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
So they would take you and make a digital version of you.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you're like a background guy, instead of paying background people to hang around in some crowd scene, they will now just fill it in with you.
So the same background people, which is like one of the nuttiest fucking like fringe theories of any catastrophe is that you have these actors.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like what do they call them?
Crisis actors.
Crisis actors, right.
Right.
Where these people are hired by the federal government, and they appear in multiple different scenarios where they say that something happened to them, and the shooter entered into the building.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Well, they're striking next, the crisis actors.
They're going to go, I am worried that my likeness will be used at Sandy Hook in perpetuity without my...
Yeah, it's weird.
It's weird because it doesn't seem like there's a way to prevent it.
joe rogan
Prevent the digital use of your imagery?
tim dillon
Well, every business in the world is using AI, right?
These movie studios and streamers spent a lot of money investing in AI technology during the pandemic.
A lot of in-house AI projects.
And, you know, I imagine that they're going to utilize that technology to some degree.
I agree, though, that it's creepy and it will eliminate a lot of jobs.
And if there's a way to stop them, great.
But is there?
joe rogan
There's no way.
tim dillon
There doesn't seem to be a way.
joe rogan
No, that train is rolling and there's a lot of track in front of it and it has insane momentum and you're not going to put your hand out and stop it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
You might mitigate the effects.
Maybe the government would pass a law saying, listen, you can't replace more than 10% of your workforce with AI over the next five years.
I don't know if that would even be a feasible thing to do, but maybe they could do something like that.
joe rogan
The problem is, if you have a business and the business can be better run by AI, do you have a responsibility to hire human beings to do a lesser job?
tim dillon
Great question.
joe rogan
It's a real good question.
It's an ethical, moral question.
tim dillon
And if you listen to these Drake songs that they're coming out with, so Eminem's song that just came out with, they're good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They're good.
joe rogan
I was just having a conversation with Post Malone about it.
Because, you know, Post uses, like, auto-tune, but he writes all his own songs, you know, and he performs all his own songs.
And I think his fans...
Want to know that's him singing a song.
They would probably still enjoy a fake Post Malone song, but dude, I saw him live last night.
When you see these people singing along with him, It's something really powerful, man.
It's not just like a regular concert.
They fucking love that dude.
tim dillon
Well, look at the Taylor Swift thing, which I feel very left out of because I'm the only person that has not seen it.
And I don't get it.
She's clearly talented and God bless.
I just don't have that But you're not a girl.
joe rogan
That's all it is.
tim dillon
Yeah, but the dudes are there too.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dave Portnoy loves it.
tim dillon
A lot of people love it, and I don't get it, and I don't begrudge anyone else getting it.
joe rogan
But maybe if you go to one live, you'll get it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's supposed to be a spectacular show.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
Tons of dancers and visuals.
unidentified
Great.
tim dillon
That's phenomenal.
I grew up listening to people like Tina Turner and Janis Joplin.
So to me, it's like Taylor Swift.
It's different.
It's different.
That's all I'm going to say.
I don't want to be attacked.
I don't want people following me.
joe rogan
It's different.
You know what I mean?
This is like the same thing about the Barbie movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe it's not for you.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And if it's not for you and you're going and giving this scathing review of something that's clearly not for you.
Right.
Look, I get it if that's your business.
You're in the culture war business.
You're in the critique business.
You're in the reaction video business.
Right.
unidentified
I get it.
Right.
I get it.
joe rogan
But just as like a rational person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like imagine being mad that people like Taylor Swift.
tim dillon
No, there's no anger.
I actually, like most cultural things, I wish I got it.
My life would be easier if I got, like, I would be more included.
I would be able to participate in conversations easier.
I want to be in.
All these things that people like that I can't get into, I want to be in.
joe rogan
The Barbie movie is an interesting one.
Because it is clearly a movie that's made for girls and everybody else.
But also, it's a Barbie movie.
Barbie's appealed to girls.
It's like saying Commando was not just for guys.
tim dillon
There's a few people on the margins that will like it.
There's a few lesbians that go to see Commando and they're very into it.
A few gay men really love Barbie, but the vast majority, it is gender specific.
joe rogan
And there's like a tremendous amount of outrage about that movie.
And when I went to see it, apparently people are upset at my reaction to it.
I was genuinely surprised that anyone would be upset at the movie.
What they're mad about is talking about the patriarchy.
But first of all, it's a fucking parody movie.
It's a movie about a doll who comes to life.
And you have a doll who lives in that world where the doll's the most important thing.
It's all about Barbie and Barbie's world.
Of course, the men would be superficial.
Ken is superficial.
Right.
That's the plot.
How else are you going to make a Barbie movie where Barbie comes to life?
I mean, it's a great juxtaposition, like seeing the difference between the world of living human beings, where men are running everything, and the world of Barbie world, where the Barbies are the Supreme Court, and they all wear bikinis on the Supreme Court.
tim dillon
That's funny.
joe rogan
It's funny.
tim dillon
That's funny.
joe rogan
Dude, it's a funny movie, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, I just don't understand why people would get so upset at this movie that's just not made for them.
tim dillon
Well, because it's how you said it.
It's how you make money.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it's like this culture war aspect of it.
It's like, come on, people.
tim dillon
Well, there's, I think, an idea that...
You know that everything that's out right now, there's political implications to everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
tim dillon
And that's kind of exhausting, right?
It's tiring, right?
Figuring out if your yogurt is woke.
Like going through your grocery, opening your refrigerator and going, what's woke?
Is the mustard woke?
It's crazy.
I think people are a little sick of it.
And I think it's a little...
First of all, all the food's poison.
Let's start there.
That should make more sense.
It should be the barbecue sauce is liquid sugar poison, not does it want trans people to fucking take their tits out at the White House.
It's food.
And it shouldn't...
But it's a level of wild that I don't think people were prepared for.
I think Bud Light made a little bit of a mess, right?
They put Dylan Mulvaney out there.
And then I think people were kind of like, hey, what's going on?
And then it just became a firestorm.
And then everything else is like contagion.
So it spreads now.
And now it's like, well, what is Chick-fil-A doing?
Are they doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's kind of, it's just, it's getting tiring.
joe rogan
Conservatives are trying to find fake conservatives.
Yes.
Like, they're engaging in the same sort of behavioral that they accuse liberals doing of these liberal witch hunts.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They're doing it with conservatives.
Like, you could never be woke enough, you could never be conservative enough.
Some of them, like, want to call people closet, like, closet liberals.
Or, you know that term, rhino.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Republican in name only.
Yes, for sure.
The tribal war between human beings that seemingly will always exist.
tim dillon
It'll never end.
joe rogan
It's so fascinating how that mindset just takes new forms, you know, and has the same behavior, the thing that it hated decades earlier, like on the left, like this...
This want for war in Ukraine, this trust in the military-industrial complex in Ukraine.
What happened to you guys?
You guys are a totally different thing.
No one's discussing.
tim dillon
Every argument made against, rightly, the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war.
Like, what's the plan?
We're going to be in a quagmire.
The money would be better used at home.
All of those arguments were used ad nauseam by people on the left, and they were right.
And now if you bring up any of those arguments about the Ukraine, you're called heartless.
joe rogan
It's weird.
tim dillon
You're called a Putin apologist.
joe rogan
It's weird.
tim dillon
So it's weird.
joe rogan
And the best take on it was Trump.
Right.
When he was doing...
What is her name?
Caitlin Collins?
Is that what her name is?
The journalist that was...
Asking him and she was kind of like trying to say in a gotcha way, right?
tim dillon
Who do you want to win?
joe rogan
Do you want Ukraine to win this war?
tim dillon
He said I just want people to stop dying and that is somehow controversial Yeah, and that's because it's coming from him right anything that he says no matter how logical it is people are going to 100%.
And that was a very logical statement.
I just want people to stop dying.
By the way, that's the appropriate response to truly really every war out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Is that there's been no war that really hasn't been won with some type of agreement, treaty.
Most wars have some type of endgame where you can go, okay, we've got to split up territory, we've got to start a provisional government, whatever it is.
Now, this might be more difficult to do that, but at the end of the day, unending conflict only hurts the people in those countries fighting the wars and becoming victims of the wars.
They don't hurt the people here making a lot of money.
joe rogan
It's just so sketchy whenever money gets involved.
Yes.
Whenever you're realizing that people have an incentive to keep this rolling to the tune of who knows how many billions of dollars so far.
How much has been spent on that war so far?
tim dillon
Oh my God.
I mean, it's over a trillion probably.
You know, we spent a lot of money.
Well, what got me interested, what was why I started to read about it and, you know, was like overnight Overnight, the worst people in the world were absolutely in love with the Ukraine.
Like the people that, you know, again, the pro-Iraq War, pro-Guantanamo Bay, pro-torture, pro-preemptive war, they all were like very much across the board the idea that we have to support the Ukraine for as long as it takes and give them whatever it takes.
And I felt like that was crazy because we've seen that in the past, bite us in the ass, a lot of different places.
And they all, I mean, these are like the worst people in the world.
The people at Beverly Hills who were like, make valets cry, who were like, get my fucking car.
Like those people, they all had Ukrainian flags on the outside of their house.
But they didn't care about Yemen.
They don't care about what goes on in the Middle East in terms of like the Palestinians or, you know, what's happening over there.
They don't care about a lot of issues and a lot of places.
But they seem to really believe that we had to arm the Ukraine and engage in kind of this proxy war with Russia for an unending period of time, no matter how dangerous it got.
And Russia is a country with a lot of nuclear weapons.
So, I mean, what is the American national interest in that continued policy?
I don't know.
Go to any city in America, right?
And you see a lot of problems.
Homelessness, drug addiction, all of the money we're sending to the Ukraine probably could be used here.
joe rogan
Right.
And there was a long period where everybody knew that there should be something done to clean up the places that got hit by the riots, to deal with some of the homeless encampments.
There should be a way where reasonable people can come to some solution.
We need funding to fix these things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the fact they just all of a sudden have trillions of dollars for this.
Right.
It's like, where was all that money?
What about investing in cities?
tim dillon
Well, in the beginning it was, we want peace.
And Ukraine was invaded by Russia.
And I understand supporting Ukraine to a degree.
But now we're talking about the only acceptable outcome is regime change in Russia.
And then there was this guy, this hot dog warlord, this guy who sold hot dogs and then was chopping people's heads off, okay?
He did this fake coup that didn't work, and everybody in our media was like, he's going to be great.
Let's get rid of Putin, who, you know, his problems, his faults notwithstanding, and he's a murderer, he's done crazy things, but we've lived with him for 20 years in relative peace, meaning like, we've never had a war with him, right?
He's done things in his region, but he was the first leader after 9-11 to close and say, you know, like, hey, I'm sorry about that, da-da-da-da-da.
Whatever the case may be, we were ready to just get rid of him and throw in a dude who hours before was lobbing people's heads off in the street.
unidentified
Wild.
tim dillon
So that to me is like you start looking at foreign policy going, does anyone care about anything?
Like to anybody, like this guy's a mass murderer.
He's running the Wagner Group, which is like, you know, this group of like prisoners, ex-prisoners that he recruited from Soviet prisons, from Russian prison.
And these are like murderers and rapists.
He's going, let's go to the Ukraine and kill everybody.
And then everybody's like, no, he'd be great.
It doesn't make too much sense to me.
And then that doesn't happen and everyone goes, eh.
joe rogan
What the crazy thing is that it's been adopted wholesale by the left.
The people that are always the most skeptical about war.
tim dillon
Well, were, but I mean, if you look at a lot of wars, I guess in history, a lot of them have been started by Democrats.
It seems like the party in power likes war.
Seems like if you're the party in power in this country, you do like a war.
With the exception of Trump, and I know people get mad when I say this, but Trump wasn't in a ton of wars.
I mean, he did do some drone strikes, he did things, but, you know, the party in power- He died like a dog.
Right, right.
The party in power, they seem to like war.
And I get it, I would too.
I would too, because it gives you something to talk about and do.
joe rogan
Well, Trump was the first guy that I ever saw who was a sitting president who openly admitted that the military-industrial complex wants you to go to war.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when Eisenhower was resigning, he said it.
But Trump actually said that.
tim dillon
He said it.
joe rogan
In an interview, I think it was with Steve Hilton on Fox.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is just a wild thing to hear.
That they might be influenced to be more inclined.
Not wars when they're necessary, but like wars that they can justify for financial reasons.
tim dillon
And listen, we should treat the people that serve the military with the respect of being honest with them about what their mission is, right?
And why they're somewhere.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
If you're going to make the ultimate sacrifice for America, you're going to make that sacrifice.
You're going to put yourself in harm's way.
You might die.
You have a family and kids.
They're not getting paid millions of dollars.
We're not making them famous.
You know what I mean?
We should treat them with the respect of the things they do should be vital and necessary for our security.
They shouldn't just be out there making people money.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tim dillon
Which is why when I run for governor of California, which I should.
joe rogan
You could probably win.
tim dillon
I actually thought about it, maybe not seriously, but maybe I said, why not?
Why not?
joe rogan
You would really get a lot of votes.
tim dillon
There's something about it.
joe rogan
You were serious about it?
tim dillon
I might be serious about it because the only thing that's going to be against me is the hours and hours I have of me talking.
That's going to be tough because people are going to be able to isolate lots of things I've said and they're going to go, hey, this is crazy.
And I also might get bored with a job in a week and quit.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
tim dillon
I might just book like a comedy club in Des Moines.
Yeah, it's nowhere good.
And I might just leave and go, this is kind of boring.
Because I don't think, you know, I don't know, governing, running seems great.
Winning is great.
Governing seems terrible.
joe rogan
It doesn't seem like it's totally doable.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
It seems like whatever changes you make, first of all, imagine you're a guy or a gal or a non-binary person who just becomes the president.
You have to run in and fix everything.
All of the chaos.
You have to deal with everything involving foreign policy.
You're responsible for everything involving infrastructure, transportation, anything financial.
You're responsible for all the failures.
You get very little credit for the success.
They'll just name the innovators in each field that did this and you got lucky.
tim dillon
And it is a thankless job, and that's why they steal.
That is why they steal.
You got to give it to them.
The reason Pelosi and them steal is because she's like, listen, you motherfuckers didn't care about the student lunch program we did.
No one reported on that.
So the reality is we're going to have to take a little off the top.
joe rogan
You think that's what it is?
tim dillon
That's probably what it is.
joe rogan
I think they just get used to that job.
Yeah, I think people and I think that's how people who are relatively good people become politicians and get tainted by it.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I think when you get inside the machine and you realize that influence has a massive effect on all sorts of decisions that get made.
And that there's some sort of weird loophole that allows you to know about laws that are going to be passed in advance and then buy stock and accordingly.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
In accordance, rather, to what you know.
And it's not insider trading.
It's not illegal.
tim dillon
It should be.
joe rogan
And they all do it.
Like, if you look at the, like, the congressman, right and left, they're all doing it.
tim dillon
But it's got to suck to be the guy who goes to Washington who doesn't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You got to suck so much.
Like, if you get there and you're from some shit state, right?
Delaware.
unidentified
Something.
tim dillon
And you get there...
And you're going to ruin the party, you're going to blow the whistle.
Everybody's like, dude, this is how we make our money.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And you're the guy fucking that up.
That's got to be a lot of pressure.
joe rogan
They would kill you.
It's like New York City Cops.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like that movie, The 7-5.
Yeah.
You know, first day on the job, he sees a guy get thrown out of a window.
It's like, he jumped, right?
And they're like, yeah, definitely jumped.
You guys just killed somebody.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess there's so much pressure because...
You don't want to be on the outs with everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially when you are involved in this business.
It's very competitive, right?
You're getting elected all the time.
You're competing with other people.
You're trying to get your name out there, and you're in this world where all these people that are in this world are doing this thing.
You're going to do that thing, too, probably.
You'd have to be very vocal against it, and that would be a real problem.
tim dillon
Or you've got to be a guy like Bernie Sanders who gets nothing done.
People just like him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
He's liked, but he gets nothing done.
He's from Vermont.
He's like, you know, I'm cool.
I believe in shit.
Everybody's like, good for you.
And then nothing happened.
joe rogan
I think it would have been an interesting one-term president.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It would have been very...
tim dillon
Very interesting.
joe rogan
It would have been very interesting if there was no shenanigans, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If the DNC didn't rig the primaries.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they kind of did, right?
I don't know how they did it, but this is something that...
What's that woman's name?
Who wrote that book?
unidentified
Donna...
tim dillon
Brazile?
joe rogan
Donna Brazile, yeah.
She talked about it.
And she talked about being terrified after Seth Rich got murdered.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tim dillon
She was terrified for her own life?
joe rogan
Sure.
I mean...
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Look, just random violence.
tim dillon
House of Cards...
joe rogan
Not murder, but random violence is common in D.C. D.C. is a...
tim dillon
Right.
But also, that probably wasn't...
joe rogan
Probably wasn't random.
tim dillon
And that House of Cards, if you rewatch it, I rewatched it.
It is probably pretty close to the way things happen.
I mean, listen, do they make it fun to watch?
Absolutely.
But when everybody's being blackmailed and controlled and people disappear and die, that probably is close to the way it works.
joe rogan
Probably real close.
tim dillon
Probably real close.
But then you think, how else could it work?
Right?
Like, it's weird to envision...
It's almost weirder to think of it not working like that in a weird way.
Not to be too cynical about it, but like...
Like, just imagine people showing up in, like, good faith debating each other and being like, well, I see your point.
And, well, I have a point.
Like, it feels like that's a total fantasy.
That would be great and I'd love that to happen.
That feels more of a fantasy than House of Cards where they're like, oh, you don't want to vote on that bill?
Take a look at that envelope.
unidentified
And it's just...
joe rogan
Some you and some chick you're fucking walking out of a restaurant that seems to be more the way it happens Definitely more the way it happened in the past right and we know that so Probably more likely it happens like that now right imagine being in any other business Where when your friend drowns in front of your house, everybody's like, rise!
Any other business, like if you're a comic, like if you came over my house and drowned, no one would think I killed you.
tim dillon
No one.
joe rogan
They would just think you drowned.
tim dillon
Absolutely.
But if you're a politician, if I was the president- People would be very not shocked if I drowned.
It would be- It would be a very, like, believable...
You could drown me and there would be marks around my neck.
They'd be like, that fat idiot fell, choked himself and died.
Like, it would be easy.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
tim dillon
Any of our friends, for the most part, not all of them.
joe rogan
Pretty much everybody except for Alex Jones.
tim dillon
Most people we know could die and it would be a very believable story.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
Just some dumb thing they did or some...
unidentified
Sure.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It does happen.
tim dillon
But when a chef...
Is on a pond outside of your house.
By the way, when you're not there, like you're letting the chef use your estate when you're not there, doesn't that seem weird that the Obamas were like, oh, no, no, no, you go.
You go use it.
He had that $11 million house we have in Martha's Vineyard.
You use it.
Doesn't that seem odd?
joe rogan
Well, if the house is that big, though, it probably has a guest house.
tim dillon
If they were there, it makes sense.
He's cooking for them.
joe rogan
But weren't they on the island though?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think they're saying they were on the island.
The problem is we can't have access to the recordings.
The 9-11 calls, because you'll hear satanic sounds in the background.
tim dillon
Yeah, right, right.
joe rogan
You hear a scream.
tim dillon
There's weird stuff with the police log with that.
joe rogan
Gongs.
tim dillon
They didn't fill out immediately.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean, there's shady stuff.
But listen, here's the reality.
If you're the Obamas and you can't kill someone you want, what is the point?
Literally, what is the point?
joe rogan
But imagine if you're the Obamas and your friend just fucking drowns.
tim dillon
Yes.
And you didn't have anything to do with it.
joe rogan
Maybe he had a reaction to some medication.
tim dillon
Poison that you gave him.
joe rogan
Or maybe it's some medication that a lot of people took.
tim dillon
And he has a heart attack.
A lot of people near these people die.
That's my only thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Like, if you're like a dog walker for the Clintons, or you're like, if you're near either the Bush family, the Clinton family, a lot of these families, the people that are with them, they're Secret Service agents, they have accidents.
They hear a lot of stuff.
They overhear stuff, they're partying to things, they see things, and then a lot of them just, you know, they have accidents.
joe rogan
Yeah, whoopsies.
tim dillon
Bye.
joe rogan
Whoops.
tim dillon
Sorry.
joe rogan
All of a sudden, the guy's hanging from an extension cord and shoots himself in the chest with a shotgun.
tim dillon
That seems, you know, unlikely.
joe rogan
Where'd they find the shotgun?
How far away did they find it from his body?
Some very unusual distance.
tim dillon
I'd be so disappointed if we find out none of it's true.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
I would be so disappointed if we find out that all of them died of natural causes.
I would be so disappointed.
joe rogan
There's like 50 people that have died under suspicious circumstances.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
At least one of them.
Right?
It says the 12 gauge shotgun was 30 feet from his body when he was found dead.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Well, he shot himself and then threw it.
joe rogan
30 feet is very far.
That could be...
Here's the thing.
If you are actually holding a shotgun and shooting it in your chest, there's not going to be any resistance on the other end.
So it's essentially like a rocket.
So it's not, because of the way you would have to do it to shoot yourself in the chest with a shotgun, it's possible.
tim dillon
It is.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's possible that it would go flying.
tim dillon
And then it would fly out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would go flying.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
So maybe he was just super troubled and that is what he did.
tim dillon
You just gotta think about it, if you're at that, if you occupy that level of society and somebody's threatening you, how do you deal with it?
If you have the, you know, whatever you want to call it, the ambition, the ruthless to get there, And somebody's trying to take that from you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
What do you do?
How do you handle it?
You try to blacken their name in the press.
You try to besmirch them.
And if that doesn't work, what do you do?
Do you just say, okay, I guess we're just going to get taken down by a scandal?
Or do you just say, hey, we got to take care of this?
joe rogan
I think it really depends on who you are and what kind of accents to people you have.
tim dillon
I can't imagine anybody getting to that level of society and letting themselves get taken down by someone far below them.
Usually when those families get taken out, they're taken out by like an equal.
Someone at their level, right?
But when someone far below you that you could get rid of or, you know, it's like that guy outside of that restaurant in LA, Austria Moza and Melrose and Highland whose car just went into a...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Things like that happen, and of course, yeah, maybe he was drunk and just decided to go 150 miles an hour.
joe rogan
We're talking about that journalist.
tim dillon
Michael Hastings, yeah.
Things like that happen, and they're weird, and you say to yourself, like, did you piss the wrong person off?
joe rogan
And he certainly did.
tim dillon
Yeah, and then how do people at that level deal with it?
It makes a lot of sense to me.
That people like that would use violence to deal with their enemies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
To silence their enemies forever.
Like, that makes sense to me.
But maybe I'm too cynical and maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know.
But it would make a lot of sense to me that they would...
There'd be a meeting.
The people would meet and they'd go, yeah, we gotta take care of this.
We can't allow this to become a thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
And that's how they've done it throughout history.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, that's what they did when they got her to JFK. That's what Lizzo should have done with those bitches.
tim dillon
But those bitches who turned on her because she was trying to help them.
First of all, that's not even a character.
You don't get to be a fat backup dancer.
That doesn't exist.
It's not real.
Lizzo made that category of person.
She made it.
And then they turned on her.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
She made it.
What is she accused of?
tim dillon
Fat shaming them, making them rehearse, making them stand up.
That's what their version of fat shaming is.
Making them stand up and walk onto the stage.
Making them rehearse, taking them to a sex club in Amsterdam where the performers are shooting bananas out of their pussies because this is what happens.
And Lizzo's like forcing them to touch the nude performers and force one of them to eat a banana that came out of the vagina of a sex work.
A performer, dancer in the sex club, Lizzo makes the girl, she's like, eat the banana, eat the banana.
And then the girl gets really angry at that.
But supposedly, Lizzo was just abusing her power.
This is what they're all saying.
But I don't know if I buy that.
I think it's bitter people, maybe, that are angry.
Because they all look like Lizzo.
This is what's going to drive them nuts.
They look exactly like her.
And she's worth $40 million.
And they're probably getting paid shit.
So they're in the background every night, dancing, and it ain't easy.
It's fun to be on that TV show that she had, but then you have to do it every night.
They're icing their joints.
You know it's hard.
They're in the trailer.
It's fucking tough.
Lizzo had to start getting on some of them, going like, you gotta tone it down.
You know, it's becoming a problem, you know?
The weight is becoming a problem.
And then Lizzo's response was she's like, I would never fire any of them because of their weight.
It's like, what a weird statement.
They're dancers.
How fat can they get?
How fucking big can they get?
If I wanted to be a dancer for Taylor Swift, and she came up to me and went, you're too fat to do this, I'd go, that makes sense.
And I'd leave with some dignity.
But these women, Lizzo has them on stage, she has them dancing, and then all of a sudden, she's abusing or making them do weird shit, and they all are now suing her, and her streaming has slowed down big time.
joe rogan
The ads.
tim dillon
You know how it is.
It's a big cancellation.
joe rogan
So did she...
So this show, were these girls dancers before they got on her show?
tim dillon
No, because you can't be a dancer at a certain...
Let's just be very honest here.
They're not at the ballet.
You know how the ballerinas are on the tippy toes?
That's not happening.
These women...
It's a fetish dancing.
These are larger women.
And I don't mean like...
Well, I had a cheesecake.
I mean like...
These are big, big, big ladies.
And they're dancing because Lizzo's whole thing.
Lizzo's like, I'm not getting enough attention just being the fatty up front.
I want everyone on stage to be fat.
So I can get more praise.
Because the media will be like, not only is she fat, everyone's fat.
The whole stage looks like shit.
How good of a person is she?
That's what they wanted.
I think that's what she wanted.
She wanted it wasn't enough that it was her.
It had to be everybody.
And that's what's bitter in the ass.
joe rogan
But the question was, these gals, how often did they have to dance?
Was it like every night?
How often was that show?
Was it a once a week show?
What was it?
tim dillon
I don't know, but they're on tour, so you'd figure when you're on tour.
joe rogan
Okay, so they're doing regular shows.
Regular shows.
Now, this is my question.
When you're a big girl and you're not exercising, then all of a sudden someone hires you for a dance show because they want big girls.
And then you have to do that kind of shit every day.
It's tough.
Your body's not prepared for that.
Your joints are weak.
Very hard.
You could get really fucked up doing it.
It's like asking someone to go into some crazy cardiovascular workout.
tim dillon
Right.
And they get mad at Lizzo because Lizzo doesn't have to do anything.
She just pulls out the flute.
joe rogan
Can I see what it looked like?
Can you show me what that show was like?
tim dillon
Can you show us the big girls?
Here Come the Big Girls is the show.
But I think they're also angry at Lizzo because they're like, we're dancing and rehearsing.
She doesn't have to rehearse.
Lizzo just kind of walks out on stage and sings her songs and does a little, but then pulls out the flute.
These girls have to like dance through the whole thing.
So it's difficult.
It's hard.
joe rogan
It sounds hard.
tim dillon
It's not easy.
jamie vernon
Here's the TV show.
joe rogan
It's hard for a dancer.
tim dillon
Here we go.
joe rogan
Okay, so there's Lizzo.
It's on Amazon Prime Video.
unidentified
What's up, y'all?
It's Lizzo.
I'm looking for dancers to join me on my tour.
Girls that look like me don't get representation.
Time to pull up my sleeves and find them myself.
We think and we pretty and we know what we about.
It's the battle of the big girls.
joe rogan
Ugh.
tim dillon
You could tell how badly this was going to go, by the way.
unidentified
Hey, ladies!
What do we have in store?
joe rogan
This is the fun part.
unidentified
I was always doubting myself, and I feel like that has been detrimental in how I approach dance.
I'm realizing that I do deserve a spot on that stage.
It's hard to love yourself in a world that doesn't love you bad.
You were created specially in your image for you to enjoy.
You don't have to be light-skinned.
You don't have to be skinny.
You're just beautiful the way you are.
I need to challenge myself and step outside my comfort zone.
joe rogan
Now I'm going into competition.
unidentified
Some people are not at the same level that I am.
I'ma call you little sis.
She's trying to demean me.
She's not understanding how to read the room.
You might not make it into the show.
I see a lot of...
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
So what was that one that we just passed through?
There was one that like...
Was that a transgender person?
tim dillon
Yes, I believe that is a transgender person.
joe rogan
Yeah, even in like a quick glance.
tim dillon
Yes, it was a quick.
That wasn't...
I'll say they didn't do a great job at the, you know, fully going to the other gender there.
You know what I mean?
They kind of stopped.
And that's fine.
Not everyone does a great job all the time at everything.
I brought my car in to get washed and it comes out and you go, meh!
And that's kind of what that was.
joe rogan
So the show is basically, she's hiring these girls.
tim dillon
These girls, listen.
joe rogan
And then they're going on tour together.
tim dillon
I've had drug addictions.
I've had eating things.
When you are not in a good mental state, which is a lot of the reason people act out with different things, right?
With substances, with food, with whatever.
Listen, if you have people that are emotionally that have issues, You know?
And Lizzo might have them as well.
It's a toxic soup of maybe that becomes a problem on tour.
unidentified
Everybody...
tim dillon
The idea of a judge having to adjudicate this to me is the funniest thing I've ever...
The idea of a judge in a room having to go, who called who fat?
Looking at Lizzo's on one side and he's staring at everybody going, wait, who's who?
Who's what?
Who's fat?
It's crazy, but it's unfortunate because they're coming for her career.
They're coming for her career big time.
joe rogan
The show itself seems like it would be a health risk.
It seems like it would be, right?
To force people to work out.
jamie vernon
Part of the lawsuit has to do with the recording that one of the dancers made, and I'm reading this article.
It's interesting if you guys would want to read it.
It's pretty fun.
tim dillon
The suit also describes an alleged meeting with dancers on April 27th, in which Lizzo repeatedly referenced William's termination.
Allegedly telling her that she had, quote, eyes and ears everywhere.
Davis recorded this meeting because she suffers from an eye condition that can make her, quote, disoriented in stressful situations, according to the suit.
Days later, Lizzo allegedly held an emergency meeting where she discovered that the previous meeting had been recorded, the suit says.
Hurling expletives at the group and stating that she was going to go around the room person by person until somebody told Lizzo, who made the recording, according to the lawsuit.
The suit says Davis confirmed that she had recorded the meeting, allegedly told Lizzo that she hadn't meant any harm, and had deleted the video.
Lizzo allegedly responded, there is nothing you can say to make me believe you.
So it's kind of like mafia shit.
joe rogan
All right.
Well, someone did.
Here's what I want to know.
When it says, God, I hope she refers to herself in the third turn.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Third person.
tim dillon
Somebody better tell Lizzo.
joe rogan
I hope that's how she says it.
That would be amazing if she said someone better tell Lizzo.
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean, she brought all these women on tour probably to abuse them, you know?
joe rogan
I don't think they thought it through.
That's what I'm saying.
tim dillon
When you have a bunch of fatty boom baddies on the tour, she's probably having a little fun going, You know, she's probably...
joe rogan
Eat some pussy out of banana.
tim dillon
Yeah, eat the pussy banana.
And also, bitch, do it, because where else are you going to dance?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
You're not getting hired anywhere else.
Like, unfortunately or fortunately, you're not working.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So you were given this really weird, unique opportunity that only exists with this one woman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It doesn't exist anywhere else.
joe rogan
This is not to body shame anybody, but there's been a weird shift in just the way society looks at these things.
Because it used to be that women that were representing clothes and things had ideal shapes.
That's what they used for advertisement.
And then something changed and they decided to...
tim dillon
Well, society used to really prioritize people who could breathe on their own.
And listen, as a person, I've struggled with my weight.
But I know that fat is not good.
Eating the wrong thing isn't good.
We shouldn't turn it into good.
It's crazy to turn it into good.
That's a horrible idea.
joe rogan
There's people that could be encouraged in this exact same state.
They could either be encouraged that you're perfect on your own and don't you worry about anything.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And don't you even worry about what food is.
Just eat to your heart's content.
tim dillon
Right.
Well, there were things that LA, they put this weird story out where it was like, the LA school district was like, let's stop telling kids that fruits and vegetables are good and that junk food is bad because the reality is that's racist.
I don't know how.
joe rogan
I don't know how either, but I saw that.
tim dillon
Yeah, they were like, it's racist if you tell a kid there's a difference between an Oreo and an orange.
That is racist.
Recently, they had a thing where Lizzo lost a few pounds.
I don't know how, but she moves around a lot, so she shaved a couple off.
Maybe lost a little bit in the face.
Don't know how it happened.
They started attacking her.
The fat activist people started saying, how dare you?
You're losing weight.
You're the symbol of fat.
And she should never have let them put that crown on her.
She should have said, hey, I'm an artist.
I'm a singer.
This is what I do.
Not, I'm the symbol of all fat people.
Because now you own them.
Now you own the fatties.
And you have to stay fat.
And you've got to stay fat.
So Lizzo loses a few pounds.
And then people started attacking her going, how dare you lose the weight?
And Lizzo literally made a statement.
She said, I move around a lot for my job.
I mean, look at how insane this world is.
Lizzo goes, I move around a lot for my job.
I lost a little bit of weight.
I'm not trying to be thin.
I don't even want to be thin.
This was an accident.
unidentified
To keep this rapid...
tim dillon
Fanbase of crazy people.
unidentified
My health was an accident.
tim dillon
My health was an accident.
I'm sorry I didn't mean it.
joe rogan
I didn't mean to improve.
tim dillon
It won't happen again.
So it's, we've gone so far.
joe rogan
Can I just tell you this?
Kevin James had a manager that told him once, when you're losing weight, you're losing roles.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Well, if you're an actor, and you're used to that certain thing, you know, people gotta get used to you another way, whatever.
But like, you gotta remember, with somebody like Lizzo, right?
You couldn't lose a lot of weight.
You're a Still a problem.
Like, that's the whole thing.
It's like...
She could lose a lot of weight and it's still...
Like...
It's such a luxury concern when people are like, well, how's the world going to relate to me with a six-pack?
It's like, just stand up by yourself first, and then get to there.
But it's crazy.
We've shifted the goalposts.
We're like, let's not abuse people.
Let's not be nasty to people, especially if you don't know them.
Or if you know them, if they're your kids or your friends, it's completely appropriate to go, hey, what's going on here?
But if you don't know people shitting on them on the internet or whatever, that's a shitty thing to do.
But saying that there's no difference health-wise between the big girls on that show and then thinner dancers is crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
tim dillon
And we can't live in a world that's crazy.
We can't live in a world where we remove all sense of reality.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Because then it's like the only fun of eating a cupcake or a little scoop of ice cream is knowing it's bad.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
That's the point.
Not because it's good.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
When you eat a little something you shouldn't eat, you go, I did the wrong thing.
joe rogan
I'm a bad boy.
tim dillon
And you should feel ashamed a little bit.
There should be a little shame there.
joe rogan
And it's worth the shame because it tastes so fucking good.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's just worth the shame.
Like, you know, if you've ever been...
I walked out of a frozen yogurt shop once and someone recognized me.
I don't get recognized all the time.
But somebody recognizes you.
You should be ashamed of that.
If someone goes, hey man, I like your stuff, and you're holding frozen yogurt at 2 p.m., you should be ashamed of that.
That should be a shameful moment in your life.
You should be like, ugh, walking out of an ice cream shop in the mid-afternoon with Sam Talent in Austin, walking out of Amy's Ice Cream with Sam Talent, and then somebody goes, oh, Tim Dillon, and you go, you spin around, you look at it, and the only other people in the thing are children.
Because it's a fucking ice cream shop.
The only people there are fucking kids.
They're nine years old, right?
And then these rich B-Cave moms, there should be a moment where we go, oh, this isn't good.
This isn't right.
Divorcing yourself from that, that's when I think comedy gets weird.
That's when I think everything gets weird.
When you stop saying what is real or true to you and when you start adopting this idea that up is down and down is up and it's just a matter of how you look at it, that's when everything starts to get crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's where we are.
tim dillon
That's kind of where we are.
joe rogan
There's a certain percentage of the population that is questioning everything right now.
I mean, mathematics.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're talking about mathematics being racist and subjective or somehow.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was the argument?
tim dillon
I don't know.
Because it was designed, anything designed by white people, like I said, is inherently potentially You just gotta...
joe rogan
So dumb.
tim dillon
Yeah, well now it's important to like...
Local stuff's important now, right?
Like your family.
You can't really rely on institutions.
You can try to improve them, but the local stuff's important.
Like your family, your community, the values that people have, right?
And...
The schools you send your kids to, like, the context you provide your kids now, so when they come home and go, well, the teacher said this, and you go, yeah, yeah, but let me...
You can't outsource it anymore and trust that your kids are going to get, like, a good education.
You have to get involved and go, okay, your teacher might have some points, but also there's also a whole other world here.
Like, I don't think we could send kids...
To school and have them go, like, no, your teacher's right about everything.
Which I never believed.
I never believed that somebody driving a Toyota Camry was correct.
joe rogan
Well, you also have to think that those adults are with your children more than you are during the day.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
They're there for hours and hours with the undivided attention of your kids.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And some of them are...
Fucking loons some of them think that they have a job to do to like remove the Programming of the parents that they don't agree with right?
So they could not agree with the parents and tell the kids that the parents are wrong and they're right like right Which is a real creepy thing because yes, I don't know who's right and who's wrong which is a made-up scenario, right?
But just that someone would decide that That they are right and the parents are wrong and they want to convince this child of something.
Whether it's they have political leanings, whether it's their attitude on whatever the fuck it is.
Whatever it is.
That someone would get into your kid's head and have some very questionable and debatable ideas that they're trying to push.
As doctrine.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that does happen.
I've had some shitty fucking teachers that will just tell you, you know, tell you that they are right about certain things.
tim dillon
Yes.
I used to do cocaine with the substitutes at my school, and that was kind of the level of teacher we had.
But we had some great teachers, and then we had some teachers that were not great, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know, we all know those teachers, right?
We all know those teachers who had...
Kind of an agenda.
They went in and they were like, they were teachers because nobody would listen to them.
So now they had this captive audience and they were like, well, I'm going to talk.
We had a health teacher like that in high school that had an agenda.
Not even like...
A sexuality agenda or whatever.
She would just complain about her own miserable life to us.
Like, she would just tell us about her husband and everything like that.
She was going through a divorce.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
And you're like, oh, this woman just wants people to talk to.
joe rogan
And that's how she taught class?
tim dillon
Yeah, she just would complain about, like, she had just gone through a divorce and, you know, like the husband.
joe rogan
And what was the subject?
tim dillon
It was health.
It's like a fake class anyway, kind of.
And this bitch would just get up and like, literally she said to one kid once, she goes, you're like a really effeminate kid.
He was like, well, if I get married, she goes, you're gay.
unidentified
And then the class was like, what?
And then she's like, she goes, and he goes, excuse me.
tim dillon
And she goes, no, you're gay.
And then just moved on.
Like she was wacky.
I think she ended up getting fired.
But she clearly used her classroom as like a therapy session.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Where she wasn't like going over, you know, this was just like her.
I think that my grandmother was a teacher.
She was an amazing teacher.
But yeah, I don't think it's appropriate.
You can have opinions, obviously, as a teacher, but you've got to understand that there's certain things that...
But then there's overreaction, too, where I think they banned the book in Florida because it had two penguins that were dudes, but the penguins weren't fucking...
What?
They unbanned the book.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
DeSantis gets a little wild.
Well, he's probably got some really wild people that are supporting him.
tim dillon
Yeah, so he gets a little wild.
joe rogan
You get into those religious groups.
tim dillon
He gets a little cult-like.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Gets a little cult-like.
But as somebody who's been out of the closet for years and years and don't hide anything, I don't think six-year-olds should be taught about any sexuality.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
It has nothing to do with their lives.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
They should be taught reading, math, the alphabet.
Anybody going like, boys in this line, girls in this line, and this line is for my special people.
Like, out.
That's what I feel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And that's what most gay people over a certain age feel.
It's like, it's silly.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Tango makes three recounts the true story of two male penguins who were devoted to each other at the Central Park Zoo in New York.
A zookeeper saw them building a nest and trying to incubate an egg-shaped rock, gave them an egg from a different penguin pair with two eggs after they were having difficulty hatching more than one egg at a time.
The chick cared for by the male penguins was named Tango.
So male Tango had two gay dads.
tim dillon
Is that...
Yeah, I'm trying to...
joe rogan
That's what they're saying.
tim dillon
But they unbanned this, I think.
They banned it and then...
I don't know why they unbanned it.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tim dillon
The ban was lifted because I guess it wasn't explicit.
joe rogan
What is wrong with gay penguins?
tim dillon
I don't know.
I think it's an overreaction because it's like...
joe rogan
But there were books where they were showing explicit oral sex.
They were showing illustrations of oral sex.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
No, it's insane.
joe rogan
And talking about lust and wanting someone.
It's essentially cartoon pornography.
tim dillon
No, that's crazy.
And it's also crazy to introduce the concept of gender theory to children.
joe rogan
It's not fair.
tim dillon
It's not fair.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Kids are so fucking malleable, man.
tim dillon
They're malleable, and if they hear like, oh, there's boys and girls, and then there's this guy.
If you're transgender, you'll know.
You'll know.
If you're gay, you'll know.
You don't need to be told that you're transgender or gay or lesbian, whatever.
You don't need to be told that by anybody.
joe rogan
Another thing that really scares me is there does not seem to be a lot of attention paid made to de-transitioners.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You know, when you're celebrating this one thing...
tim dillon
There's another side.
joe rogan
...I feel like you have a responsibility to look at...
tim dillon
Except Ben Shapiro's doing the new musical, The De-Transitioners.
That would be very good.
joe rogan
He apparently hated Barbie.
tim dillon
On his platform, where it's going to be a bunch of trans people who've DJed.
Well, the funniest thing now is some of the people that are critical of the trans stuff are trans people that have detransitioned, so they look wild, and then they're on Twitter or whatever it's called now fighting with...
The other people.
And you're like, it's like the Liz O'Fat thing where you go, wait, who's what?
Like, I don't even know what's happening.
But yeah, there's a lot of people that went through that stuff and went back.
So to me, it's like...
joe rogan
One of the guests of this podcast did.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kristen Beck.
She was a Navy SEAL. Became...
His name's Chris Beck, right?
And then he became Kristen and then went back to being a guy.
tim dillon
That's why you can't make those decisions when you're young.
You got to see what happens.
joe rogan
Well, you also got to realize that there is some very strange spectrum of human being.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And everybody, like, looks for some reason.
We try to find what is like us out there.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you just can't just accept whatever...
tim dillon
See, it's so weird because I'm the opposite where it's like, I'm fascinated by people not like me.
Like, I see these comedy shows in New York City where it's like, they'll be like the all brown comedy show or the all gay comedy show.
And I'm like, you're living in New York City.
This is the most diverse place on earth.
And you want to hang out with seven people that look exactly like you?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
It's the weirdest thing in our culture now that everybody needs to be around people like them.
joe rogan
Well, it's social media echo chambers amplified into the real world.
That's what it is.
And the thing about wanting everybody to be like you, the problem with that is like, what if you go up last?
All those fucking dudes have all the material.
tim dillon
They've taken every bit, every observation.
Oh, your dad wanted you to be a doctor too.
I understand community.
I understand having shared experiences with people.
But I also think some of the most adventurous parts of life and the most interesting and the most exciting How many cool stories start with somebody went on a trip and met a bunch of people that had no idea from different cultures?
And they said, I had the most epic trip ever.
And they'll describe every person that ended up on this backpacking thing with them, and not one of them is like another one.
And it seems so cool that everybody brings a perspective that you don't have.
You know and now it's like people are like, oh I just want to be around People like myself all the time it to me.
I'm like, isn't that boring?
Isn't it boring to agree with all of your friends?
joe rogan
It is boring.
tim dillon
It's boring.
Yeah You want to you want people in your life that you detest You know?
Like you strongly dislike.
joe rogan
That think they're smart and are wrong.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Those are the funnest people.
Certainty is hilarious.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
People that have to reverse themselves all the time are hilarious.
I have to reverse myself a lot.
joe rogan
I do too.
tim dillon
I will do a whole thing and then people go, well, it's not like that.
And I go, well, then that's fine too.
And I'll just keep going like 100% because that's what keeps life fun.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
And, you know, and it's always interesting to try to figure out why someone strongly believes what they believe if you don't believe it.
It's always interesting.
Right.
Especially if they're smart.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's always interesting to like, okay, how did you come to that?
Like when really brilliant people are very religious.
I'm always interested.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And I, what's very interesting is like I, for me, my grandmother and grandfather was deeply religious.
My grandmother was a liberal.
My grandfather was a conservative.
So, politically, they were completely different.
But they each went to Mass every day, and they believed deeply in the Catholic faith, right?
And they had great lives.
And it was a very important thing for both of them.
But politically, they came out from completely different ways.
So he'd vote for Reagan, and she'd vote for whoever, right?
Mondo?
joe rogan
Wow.
A divided household.
tim dillon
Well, no, they were different.
My grandfather was my father's father.
My grandmother was my mother's mother.
But they got along.
They loved me.
They were great people.
They were very religious.
But my grandmother said, I, for example, don't believe women that want abortion should have to go to a back alley.
And my grandfather said, I believe that life starts at conception.
We should not have legal...
There was a big disagreement.
And to some people that would have disqualified my grandmother, they would have been like, well, she's not a real Christian.
But she was out teaching catechism, helping people, volunteering, doing all the stuff that Jesus probably would have done, you know?
So it was like they were completely different.
But yeah, it is interesting.
We have deeply religious...
I think it's a lot of like...
You know, without religion, it is difficult.
Without some idea of why we're here and what we're doing, it's a tough go of it for a lot of people.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a tough go of it as a pure intellectual.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You know, some of the smartest people I know are really freaked out about life.
tim dillon
Everything that's just chance and theories and going like, one guy gets in a car, another guy gets in a car, that guy makes it home, that guy doesn't.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Living with the reality of that every day is really tough.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It is.
tim dillon
So I think what, you know, these systems that, you know, are very comforting.
And it would be great if there was some version of it that was true.
Like if there was some omniscient being rewarding the good and punishing the bad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Phenomenal.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of that.
tim dillon
But maybe there's a third way, which you talk about a lot.
And that's from like the DMT and stuff like that.
Maybe we all just go to some peaceful energy field?
Isn't that kind of the game?
joe rogan
Who knows what we are?
We think of our consciousness as our consciousness coming out of our mouth through our words.
And what we do and where we go and what we see.
But what is that energy if it's unstrapped from the human body?
When it doesn't need to communicate with sound.
When it doesn't have a body.
Is there something in there that goes somewhere else?
If that's this idea of the soul, that's one of the ways that people describe DMT experiences.
That you're entering into a well of souls.
You know, that there's some process where that thing goes back into a body, and then a new body has that thing in it.
tim dillon
Interesting.
So it's kind of reincarnation.
joe rogan
Yeah, the reincarnation idea.
tim dillon
But I don't want that.
joe rogan
There's another one.
One other thought.
tim dillon
I don't like that one, so let's get to one I like.
joe rogan
The other one is that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right.
tim dillon
That I don't love either.
That I don't love either.
Then I have to take mega buses again and perform in bars in western Massachusetts.
joe rogan
I know, but would that be so horrible?
If you already did it.
tim dillon
What about past life regressive therapy?
Do you think there's anything to that?
Or do you think that's just a racket?
joe rogan
Passive regressive?
tim dillon
No, past life regression.
joe rogan
Oh, past life regression.
tim dillon
Where somebody would go, you were Napoleon.
joe rogan
Well, there's some real issues with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are very suggestible.
It depends entirely on who's providing the therapy.
There was a guy that did that.
His name was John Mack.
And he did that with UFO people.
All these people that claimed to have been abducted.
And he freaked out more at Tierney.
And she gave me a book, like, at work when we were doing news radio together.
She's like, you've got to read this.
This is crazy.
And it's all about these people that got abducted.
They all have the same fucking story.
And this guy did it all through hypnotic regression.
But there were some people that felt like he had made suggestive questions to them and that perhaps led them in a certain way to maybe even fabricate this kind of a memory.
I don't know though.
It's like I'm super suspicious.
I mean, I think that it's totally possible that someone could put you into hypnosis.
Right.
And in that hypnosis, you can recall something that was traumatic.
I also think it's totally possible for you to have false memories implanted in your head.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they know that you can do that.
They know they can do that with people.
They can give people false memories.
And so these people, they'll tell them about things that happened, and all these people will repeat this thing that happened.
unidentified
Remember it, yeah.
joe rogan
They remember it, but it never happened.
And then they have to tell them, that never happened.
tim dillon
Interesting.
My friend's mother was into...
Shirley MacLaine apparently is really into this stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, super into it.
tim dillon
She's super into it.
So my friend's mother was really into it too.
And my friend's mother was just a rich, Long Island wine drunk.
joe rogan
Nice!
tim dillon
And she just...
You know what I mean?
She didn't work or anything.
She was just a fun, crazy bitch that we'd drink martinis with and smoke cigarettes.
And it was so much fun.
And then after a few martinis, she'd start talking about...
Her past life and Shirley MacLaine and how she used to, you know, she was a man in her past life and she was like a general in a war.
unidentified
Of course.
tim dillon
Right, of course.
Of course.
Because she went shopping all day.
She went to the grocery store.
joe rogan
In the past, she was a winner.
tim dillon
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
I did my winning.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
In another life.
tim dillon
Yeah!
She was like, I was Napoleon.
joe rogan
Imagine bragging about a past life.
tim dillon
Well, that's what she would do.
She would get happy.
So it always turned me off to it because I was like, oh, this bitch seemed like...
And then Shirley MacLaine would have some workshop where all these crazy bitches would go in that, of course, had nothing to do during the day.
And they would sit there and then Shirley MacLaine would be like, and you were the Queen of England.
And you were Napoleon.
And you were a soldier who tried to kill Hitler.
You kept trying to kill him.
But you didn't get...
And it was this weird shit that, like, Shirley MacLaine would tell all these people that, like, they were like, I don't know, like...
joe rogan
It's just huckster stuff.
tim dillon
It feels...
A lot of it feels like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's tent church hustlers.
tim dillon
They sell crystals by Malibu.
You know, like you drive down to PCH, there's like a crystal truck on the side of the road.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
What is that?
joe rogan
What is that?
tim dillon
But that's the thing, LA, there's a lot of like those yoga people that just are, you know, but it's also very selfish, a lot of it.
joe rogan
The yoga stuff?
tim dillon
They always talk about themselves.
And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but everything's about them.
joe rogan
My favorite is learning to love yourself.
Oh, you're okay.
You don't?
tim dillon
But you talk about these people and they're like, well, the energy and this, that, and the other thing, but it always comes down to them.
They're never like, the energy was really good in the soup kitchen where I was giving the guy the food.
It's always like, I felt that I had to move to Marina Del Rey because I consulted and I went, I took ayahuasca, I went and my shaman led me on this journey and the journey resulted in that I should live in Marina Del Rey.
It's always like, you know, a very kind of like, it's about me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's like all those guys that go to Burning Man to take all those mushrooms and it's like, okay.
But it's like, they're not like, you know, it's not like this, you know, like the ethos isn't like, these are the same guys that are like designing like the types of systems that are like taking all your information and selling it to someone.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
So it's like they're taking a bunch of mushrooms and then realizing that like, oh, I can make a better Palantir.
joe rogan
I can sell more data.
tim dillon
Yeah, I can sell more data.
All those festivals have now been invaded by these tech guys.
Who just go there and they're like, dude, the world.
They're like, I just got to really get into myself.
And then they're designing stuff that the CIA is using.
So it's kind of wild to me the way that we appropriate anything.
We just take any spiritual experience we want and make it serve us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a fact.
That seems to be a human characteristic.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Like there's ayahuasca retreats are huge.
joe rogan
They are, but...
tim dillon
And they're good!
joe rogan
There's real good in them, but there's also like a certain type of person who gravitates towards those things to sort of spiritualize their existence.
And just by virtue of connecting yourself to the experience and having a few of those experiences, you have like a credit score.
Like a spiritual credit score.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
It's a very high spiritual credit score.
tim dillon
That's interesting.
joe rogan
And then you can be this guy who wears wooden beads.
tim dillon
Nobody says they're into the dark arts.
What I would like is somebody who goes, I got into all that stuff, but I'm a witch.
I'm like a warlock.
I'm into the dark side of it.
I'm into like...
I'm the other side.
I'm Voldemort.
No one does that.
joe rogan
Those are the guys who do the late night shift at Walmart.
tim dillon
Right.
Those are the guys at Chipotle chopping chicken.
joe rogan
Black fingernails.
tim dillon
Yeah.
It's weird to me.
I always try to get into it, but it just sounds like junk.
That's the problem, right?
When you hear people talk about this, it sounds like junk.
Because usually it's the most selfish person in the world.
And we'll tell you about an ayahuasca retreat.
It's never like a good person.
joe rogan
Amazing things get co-opted all the time by people's personalities.
tim dillon
People will be like, my shaman told me I shouldn't worry about being on The Tonight Show.
And you're like, is that what you're using the shaman for?
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, it's a thing that connects you to some form of spirituality that's non-denominational.
So it's just like being a Christian.
It has the exact same feeling as being in any other religious group.
And it's not just to disparage any religious group.
I think there's a slot in your brain where the rules fit in.
And I think that slot could be Islam.
That slot could be Mormonism.
But there's a slot in your brain, and we took that slot out.
We took that piece out.
We're like, hey, I've been reading this, and I never heard of anybody coming back to life after fucking three days.
Maybe this is horse shit.
Maybe he didn't make the fucking whole earth in six days.
Maybe this thing's really old.
tim dillon
That's why I always like Jerry Seinfeld, because he goes, I like things.
Like, he does this speech he did at the Clio, these advertising awards.
He got one of them.
And he just, he does this whole thing.
It's so brilliant.
And he goes, I like advertising because I like lying.
And he talks about, he goes, if things don't make you happy, you don't have the right things.
And you hear it.
It's so funny, right?
And people would be like, it's so disgusting.
Of course, it's, At the end of the day, people make you happy.
Love makes you happy.
Communities, family, all that makes you happy.
But when he talks about things making you happy, it's so funny and so him and the way he sells it.
The way Jerry Seinfeld sells it, he goes, there's nothing better than a pair of Levi's.
Or he goes, a Volkswagen Beetle or a Big Pen.
He's like, if things don't make you happy, you don't have the right things.
It's so funny and I feel like he does think a little bit like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Because that is a group of person, too, where they're almost spiritually connected to inanimate objects, you know?
And he said, this is all going to be in my new book, Soulful Materialism.
But it's just funny to me because it's like there are people you meet that when you talk to them, you go...
Yeah, like this does mean a lot to you.
joe rogan
That's a very funny premise though.
That's a very Jerry Seinfeld.
tim dillon
It's the best thing I've like I'm I think he's you know, I'm not familiar with all of his comedy shows brilliant Obviously his comedy is brilliant, but that award speech I saw it was like this very unique different thing that He goes, he goes, he goes, yeah, these awards, he goes, he goes, here's what they really are.
He goes, I know this award means nothing.
He goes, and I know that because the last, the last time we did this, you know, the last time they had this award show, they left a bunch of them up on stage and you all just came up here and grabbed them.
He goes, you didn't earn them, but he goes, you just brought them home because they prop up your meaningless lives.
It was the, it's the best thing I've seen from, it was my just favorite thing.
Because it does seem like he's totally raw.
And I feel like that is him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Like, he is being real in that moment where he's basically like, you know, this is what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah, here's the shiny thing.
He goes, it doesn't matter that it doesn't work when I get it home.
I want it now.
He goes, I want the thing on the commercial.
And there is something so deeply American about that.
It is disturbing on some level.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
But there's also a level where you gotta just recognize how powerful that stuff is, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Like, we are one of the only generations of people that have experienced this level of prosperity.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
Which is crazy.
joe rogan
And instant access to goods.
tim dillon
To everything.
joe rogan
You have an app on your phone, Amazon.
tim dillon
Anything.
joe rogan
And you can just buy whatever you want.
You can buy crazy shit on Amazon.
Very expensive things on Amazon.
You just have it sent to your house.
tim dillon
It's like my boomer parents were like...
The first heavily propagandized generation with regard to advertising.
That's why we all grew up eating shit.
Because they believed corporations.
Corporations were like, McDonald's is it.
Your kids are going to love it.
And you're like, alright.
Go to McDonald's.
Now, my cousin's two kids have never had McDonald's.
They're six and four.
She goes, I can't control them forever, but for right now, they'll never have McDonald's.
We grew up eating there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Because corporations were paramount.
My father loves commercials as much as TV shows.
He used to call me like the Budweiser frogs were his favorite thing in the world.
joe rogan
Remember those three frogs?
tim dillon
I do remember those frogs.
On the lily pants?
joe rogan
I do remember them.
tim dillon
Budweiser.
And my father loved them.
To him, that was art.
The boomers were one of the first generations where the advertising was art.
After 9-11, Budweiser did this commercial where all the Clydesdales took a knee and they said, from one American.
And they were doing it and you're like, where was it?
And they're doing it in Jersey and you're looking at where the towers used to be.
And it took you a minute to get it.
And then they all take a knee and Budweiser said, from one American icon to another.
And my father's like crying in the living room, going, this is the greatest thing I've seen.
The bodies were still, like, smoldering in my father.
Yeah, here it is.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
How did they go from that to what they did?
How did they go from that to this Dylan Mulvaney disaster?
tim dillon
Well, I think what they thought was going to happen, right?
Because I think what happens is you get, all you need is one nut.
This is all you need in any company.
Nobody's ever worked in a company.
Like the people that are curious about how this happened, a lot of them have never worked in a company where just one person has an inordinate amount of power and one motherfucker can go in there and go, no, this is the way it's going to be.
And usually that person doesn't get called out because usually the company's not Budweiser and usually it's not going to be, you know?
But we all see like one person in any organization can totally throw it on its head.
And I think they had a marketing director who said, We're going to have a little fun.
We're going to be a little edgy.
This is going to be cool.
And I don't think what they had imagined was that was kind of this straw that broke the camel's back.
People had felt like this new world was being shoved down their throat.
And then they were looking at Budweiser and they were going, we have to push back against this Because we feel like all of this is happening a little too quickly.
It's a little crazy.
And we don't understand it.
And they fought back.
But I think it was probably just one or two people.
joe rogan
That is wild.
tim dillon
That probably came in there.
And you know, you're not paying attention.
You go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here's a budget.
Go work with influencers.
You know?
joe rogan
But it was also the speech that she gave about wanting to do something to sort of upgrade the brand's image that it was a very fratty.
tim dillon
Oh yeah!
What's one bitch?
One bitch has to go in there and go, I don't...
She goes out to a bar one night.
She's a bunch of guys in fucking, you know, those pink salmon shorts and fucking loafers drinking Bud Light and she goes, I don't like this.
I gotta change this.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah, it's one person.
joe rogan
It's the whole group of people that buy it.
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's a shitty beer.
It's not the best beer.
I'm not a beer drinker.
I don't drink alcohol now.
joe rogan
It's not the best beer.
tim dillon
It's not the best beer, right?
It's okay.
unidentified
It's fine.
joe rogan
It's okay when it's cold.
tim dillon
It's not like a connoisseur's beer.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
No, this is a cooler beer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
This is a frat bro beer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And they were like, we're going to now do the Dylan Mulvaney thing.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I don't...
I never want...
People getting upset about it...
I understand to a degree.
I understand where it comes from.
But I've never looked at corporations and went, they're good.
You know what I mean?
I never thought that they were beacons of truth.
So I never thought that, like, I can't believe it's not butter had to have my political view.
Like, you know?
Because I'm like, oh, they're selling poison crap.
And fat people are going, no it's not butter!
joe rogan
You know how wild it is that they convinced people that margarine was better for you than butter?
tim dillon
Well, they came in and they said, frozen yogurt's better than ice cream.
And it's all, it's just chemicals.
Same thing.
Just chemicals, right?
Just sugar.
Margarine's better than butter.
This vegan stuff, these impossible burgers are better than burgers, and they're like fake, and they're loaded with sodium, and they have fake blood and stuff.
But that's what, I always viewed corporations like that.
I always came from that generation where we looked at corporations where we're like, oh, you're full of shit.
My parents looked at corporations crying at the commercials, going, they care about us.
Budweiser cares.
McDonald's cares.
They care about us.
When I was a child actor, I said to my parents, they brought me to some audition.
I didn't get it.
And I came out and I went, I didn't get it, but can we still go to McDonald's?
My dad used that as like, look what a good head he has on his shoulders.
He can handle rejection and he just wants to go to McDonald's.
And it's like, no, that's a toxic factory of horrible food that no kid should be eating.
But we grew up having birthday parties there.
Every kid in my class had a birthday party at Burger King or whatever.
It's just what it was.
Because our parents fundamentally trusted Corporate America and the government enough to go, well, if it was bad, the government would be regulating it.
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody thought of fast food as bad when we were kids.
unidentified
Nobody.
joe rogan
It was just food that wasn't the best food.
tim dillon
Right.
And nobody was like, this stuff's bad.
joe rogan
I think when Super Size Me came out, that was the first time where people actually really thought, okay, how bad is this?
tim dillon
Yeah, but then that guy was so annoying.
That guy that people were like, well, fuck him.
Like, he made a true point.
But people were like, but the corporations are smart.
They go, okay, but how about fast casual?
How about fast casual?
It's not fast food.
And you go, well, it's not fast food.
I have to stand on a line.
They give me a thing.
But it's the same thing.
Like, they just morph what they do.
So to me, I've never been like, these corporations will do what they can get away with.
And I think with the Mulvaney thing, they just want to step too far.
joe rogan
I think they just did it for that one person.
I don't think this is like a run of cans, right?
tim dillon
No, they just sent her a can and they were like...
But again, it's like, if you want to be the most famous person in the world, which like Andrew Tate wanted to be, right?
And then you get there and there's all these unintended consequences, right?
Then Dylan Mulvaney clearly wanted to be massively famous, right?
The whole thing is like, I want to be massively famous.
I want to work with all these brands and I want to...
joe rogan
Dylan had already interviewed Biden before that.
tim dillon
Yeah, yeah, they want to be...
joe rogan
But how does that happen?
tim dillon
They say...
joe rogan
How wild is that?
tim dillon
They say we had an effeminate gay man who didn't make it doing that.
Now she's a chick and she wants to interview Biden and the Biden goes, and they go, good, it's coming.
And then they just do an interview.
Biden doesn't know where he is or what's happening.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
No, he's just hanging on.
It's the least fun way to be president.
To be the most powerful person in the world and not know has got to suck a little.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
tim dillon
The best thing ever was when they go, the Biden family over in Nantucket in the holidays, they went to their Nantucket home and discussed whether Joe should run again and they all said he should.
And I'm like...
joe rogan
Is that recent?
tim dillon
Yeah, they had a meeting over the holidays where they're like, we're assessing...
joe rogan
July 4th holidays?
tim dillon
No, this was during the holidays holidays.
And they were like, the Biden family had this meeting, Jamie could look it up.
joe rogan
Oh, during December.
tim dillon
Yeah, where they were like, we're going to see if he's going to run again.
And Jill and Hunter and the rest of the crew met, and they decided it's a great idea for him to run again.
And I'm like, it's crazy sending a guy that old into battle...
Again, and I don't, you know, so...
joe rogan
There was some article, Jamie, about the accusations of how much money they received.
Like some new one came out today.
They were trying to figure out how much money the Biden family received during this whole Hunter Biden scandal thing.
Right.
tim dillon
Well, it's a big scandal.
People don't...
People are going like, well, his son's an addict and he stood by his son.
Number one...
Don't stand by it.
If a laptop came out where I had done what Hunter Biden was doing, my family would tell people I was dead.
And they're not even the president!
My dad sells wine!
And he wouldn't admit it.
There is a time you cannot support your kids, by the way.
What are we talking about?
People are like, well, he's a good father.
Is he?
Was he?
joe rogan
Do you think it was his Coke at the White House?
tim dillon
Whose coke is it outside?
It's definitely his coke!
But I don't like narcs and rats, so I think he should be a little- have a little- he can have a blast.
joe rogan
Yeah, what's the big deal?
You're at your fucking dad's house.
tim dillon
If your father's a president, you can't have a blast?
joe rogan
You can't do a little bump?
Comer releases the third bank memo detailing payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine.
What's the number?
20 million.
The committee has now identified over 20 million in payments for foreign sources to the Biden family and their business associates.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
I mean, listen, there's no way that they looked at him and what he should be the president unless they knew for a fact that he's controlled and being managed.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is all so wild.
tim dillon
This is no way he's...
joe rogan
So wild.
tim dillon
They want a guy who's...
He's been a company man forever.
He's, you know, he started his career letting, you know, people in Delaware, like these credit card companies, do whatever the fuck they wanted.
And he had that, you know, the architect of the crime bill where they sent a lot of nonviolent drug affairs.
But he's done...
He's a company man.
Like, he's a guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Joe Biden's been a guy.
It's why Obama had him as vice president.
He was never like an articulate guy.
He was never that great in it.
He was just a guy that would...
He's a solid Washington insider forever.
And that's what he is.
And now he's old, but that's what he is.
A guy that's just been in the system for a long time.
unidentified
And that's what he is.
joe rogan
Him running again in one more year from now?
tim dillon
There's no way.
joe rogan
How?
tim dillon
Newsome is coming up and trying to run.
There are other people that are circling.
I don't think he runs again.
I can't see it.
I don't see it.
joe rogan
How do you think they get Kamala Harris to step down?
Because she's rightfully, if he steps down, you know, until some...
tim dillon
Kamala Harris cannot say a sentence.
She's almost worse than him.
She talks in like gypsy curses.
unidentified
When they ask her something, she'll be like, my grandma said that a hive of bees is still bees if you bury it.
tim dillon
And you're like, what the fuck is this bitch saying?
That's how she speaks.
The woman has no idea what's going on.
But again, Washington, they're just like, you were a DA, you were a cop, you'll keep your mouth shut, don't you want to be the first whatever race you're pretending to be president today, Indian, black, whatever works?
And she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they got to get rid of her.
They got to get rid of her.
What they should have done, if they wanted to win, George Soros should have backed up the money truck to Michelle Obama and said, listen.
You are going to run because people like you.
They like you.
It doesn't matter, you know, about any of the conspiracies.
Maybe you are Big Mike.
Who cares?
joe rogan
What?
tim dillon
But you are going to run this goddamn country.
joe rogan
I can't believe you went there.
tim dillon
You're going to run this goddamn country.
joe rogan
That is the wackiest conspiracy.
tim dillon
It's a wacky conspiracy.
Can I make one point for the people that are on the side of it?
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
It is weird, but I don't think she's Big Mike.
joe rogan
Okay.
tim dillon
It is weird that there's not one photo of her pregnant, but maybe there is.
Is that not weird?
Maybe it's not weird.
I don't know.
joe rogan
She's a public person.
Why would you want photos of her pregnant out there?
tim dillon
I understand that, but maybe it is weird.
Maybe it's not weird.
Maybe it's not weird.
joe rogan
Well, also, when she had her kids, were they private or public?
Was that when he was a senator?
tim dillon
I don't know.
I just know that...
joe rogan
He was a senator, right?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Before he became president.
tim dillon
For sure.
joe rogan
So what, law school, senate?
tim dillon
I have no issue, because I want to live.
I have no issue with Big Mike.
I don't care that they killed that sex slave in Martha's Vineyard.
That's what happens to sex slaves.
They drown in ponds.
That's what happens.
You fuck the ruling class, you drown a pond.
That's what happens.
If you get your little mouthy, you go into the pond.
I don't have a problem with it.
I think it's good.
I actually think it's good.
I think it makes our country fun.
I think it makes us unique.
I think Putin and them are scared of that shit.
They do it all the time.
I think Putin and the Chinese are like, you know, you don't know what's going on there.
Because they got people that maybe they're men, maybe they're women.
We don't know.
I think if it's not real, make it real.
Put it out.
Would it be anything better than hurt the DNC, whip her cock out and go, and I'm Big Mike.
The Chinese would lose their mind.
The Chinese would give up.
They would give up.
If Michelle Obama took her cock out at the Democratic National Convention, the Chinese would go, we're thrown in the towel.
unidentified
We can't compete with them.
That's my...
tim dillon
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
Maybe I won't run for governor of California.
joe rogan
I don't think you can anymore.
tim dillon
Maybe it's a bad idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, not that state.
tim dillon
It's not a great idea.
joe rogan
But I bet you'd get in like Wyoming.
tim dillon
Yeah, I could definitely get in.
unidentified
You know, just fucking Jackson Hole, get yourself a nice spread.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Decide to become the governor of Wyoming.
tim dillon
There's definitely a small town that would elect me mayor.
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Clint Eastwood was mayor of Carmel, remember?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
A giant movie star became a mayor.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Of a small town in Northern California.
What?
tim dillon
That is very funny.
And it's just because all those rich people live there and they thought it was cool saying our mayor is Clint Eastwood.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a crazy enclave of rich people.
tim dillon
I'm getting so old now.
I'm 38. I don't want to know anymore.
I'm at this point where it's like the younger people coming up are going to have to figure it out.
I've got however many years I have left.
And it's like, do I want to know all the secrets at this point in the government?
It would be cool to know a few of them, but it's like, I don't know how many I want to know.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
You do get to a certain age where you go, you know what?
unidentified
Just...
tim dillon
You know, maybe you guys figured that out.
joe rogan
If you know too many of them, then there's too many battles to fight.
tim dillon
Too many?
joe rogan
Like, you can't pay attention to everything on the financial front.
tim dillon
No!
joe rogan
The environment front.
Fucking push for electric cars and...
There's too much to pay attention to.
tim dillon
It's too much.
joe rogan
And that's the thing about being a person today.
We're all overloaded with information.
tim dillon
And the natural world is like, you know, enjoy it while you got it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know what I mean?
Like, enjoy it.
There's sharks eating people left and right.
Shark ate a woman's leg in Rockaway Beach, Queens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
The other day, two days ago, shark woman lost 20 pounds of flesh.
Thresher or a bull, they said.
Maybe a juvenile white.
They thought if it was an adult white, it would have killed her.
Oh my god.
You know, life is, you don't know.
joe rogan
But that's the weird fucking thing about the goddamn ocean.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
Goddamn ocean, it's monster soup.
tim dillon
But it is beautiful and amazing to be in.
You do feel weirdly connected.
unidentified
But...
tim dillon
You feel weirdly connected to...
Like, that's a spiritual experience.
A float in the ocean.
There is something about that where you're like, this is wild.
joe rogan
There is something about it.
It's alive.
tim dillon
But she's fine.
joe rogan
65-year-old woman was standing in the water near Beach 59th Street and Rockaway Beach just before 6 p.m.
when she felt a sharp pain in her left leg causing her to fall backward into the water.
NYPD officers applied a life-saving tourniquet and she was taken to Jamaica Hospital in critical condition.
On Tuesday afternoon, she was upgraded and said to be stable.
However, her wound was so deep that she nearly bled to death.
tim dillon
She was identified as a Ukrainian immigrant living in Astoria.
This is a PSYOP. It's a PSYOP. This is a PSYOP. She's like, they literally interview her.
They're like, tell us about the shark attack.
unidentified
She's like, it is important we keep giving money to Azov Battalion.
They're like, how did the shark bite you?
tim dillon
A trillion is not enough.
We have more.
They need weapons.
They need tanks.
They need to bring the war to Moscow.
Yeah.
unidentified
Putin must go.
You're like, what?
tim dillon
Who is this bitch?
joe rogan
They kill two birds with one stone.
They open up shark fishing.
Shark fishing industry profits.
tim dillon
Well, I had Eli Roth, who's a really good director.
He directs horror movies.
And he's an actor.
He was in Inglourious Bastards.
He's on my podcast this week, and we debate sharks, because he's pro-shark, and don't fish them, and don't do anything to them.
And I'm like, no, we've got to start fucking them up a little.
Because they are, you know, they're getting loud.
They're out there.
And we've got to start hitting them back a little bit.
That's, you know, seems, you know.
joe rogan
There's quite a few videos now that you could watch of people getting killed by sharks.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
There's quite a few.
That recent one that was in Egypt is fucking horrible.
tim dillon
It's terrifying.
joe rogan
Horrifying.
tim dillon
But it's like people say, oh, you're sharing the ocean with sharks.
That's not sharing what they're doing.
joe rogan
No, they're eating you.
tim dillon
They are being very aggressive.
joe rogan
It's also, it's just...
That's where they live.
Like, don't go where they live.
If the forest was filled with werewolves, don't go in the forest.
tim dillon
Yeah, but you know what?
Why are we giving them the whole, like, that's, we are the kings.
We dominate the earth.
We don't have, like, this whole thing, we have to respect nature?
No.
We can fuck nature up.
joe rogan
So you think we should fuck up those sharks?
tim dillon
I think the Four Seasons should build a resort in a rainforest and slash and burn it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And I've always said that because I want to go to the rainforest, but I don't want to go in a hut.
And I don't want to go in one of these riverboats.
I want to go in a nice fucking luxury fucking four seasons in the goddamn rainforest.
Enough with this crap.
Stop respecting these fucking third world things.
Get rid of it.
Enough.
These ancient cultures, they need to step it up.
joe rogan
Ten foot shark beaten to death after tourists who screamed for Papa killed in Egypt.
tim dillon
Thank God it wasn't white people because white people would have been pussies and not done anything.
unidentified
The Egyptians clubbed it, treated it like a woman.
joe rogan
How do they know it's the same shark?
tim dillon
You know, let's not get lost in the weeds here.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
tim dillon
Yeah, of course.
There's a lot of sharks out there.
That is a good point.
joe rogan
Especially once there's the blood in the water after it killed that guy.
tim dillon
But war is war.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And I do think that the Egyptians were saying, a beast came at us, we're going to go at a beast.
It's not right, per se.
joe rogan
We tried to find out if this was true, but someone had said that there were people that made a practice of dumping sheep carcasses into the water near there.
Is that true, or is that horseshit?
tim dillon
Well, then get that, club that person too.
joe rogan
Because that sounds really spooky.
tim dillon
That's really spooky.
joe rogan
If someone did something that dumb and they'd like regularly dropped off the carcasses there so that they didn't have to deal with them.
tim dillon
That's not good.
joe rogan
And then you're literally attracting sharks to that area.
Like, holy fuck, man.
And then he has to watch that video.
tim dillon
Well, you just gotta be careful.
You know, I swim, but I don't go out too far.
I stay pretty close to the water.
And I always swim near either an elderly person or a child, someone that I could throw at the shark.
If the shark were to come at me, I would just try to push.
I always have it in my head who it'll be.
There was a bitch neck to me in Malibu.
I'm like, it could be her.
If it comes, I'll just throw him right in the mouth and then run away.
joe rogan
Do you think you'd have that much time?
tim dillon
I hope.
joe rogan
I have a feeling they're on you so quick.
tim dillon
They are, but a lot of them, the bites are an exploratory bite.
What the fuck?
Does that give you comfort?
No, they're just trying to see what's going on.
joe rogan
Did you see the video of the kayak getting hit by the tiger shark in Hawaii?
tim dillon
That's where you can have a gun and shoot it in the head.
Shoot it in the head.
We need to see videos to just get our morale back.
Of people in a fucking kayak going, oh that's fun, shoot it right in the head.
I'm sick of this environmentalist crap, and I'm sick of these pro-animal people.
jamie vernon
So the sheep stuff, the 2010 shark attacks were...
joe rogan
And that was in Egypt as well?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't know if it's the exact same area.
tim dillon
Didn't you used to run with something in case you saw a mountain lion?
joe rogan
Yeah, I ran with a knife.
Yeah.
Where are the dead sheep, why are dead sheep washing up on Egypt shores?
unidentified
That's from 2017. Okay, and what does it say?
joe rogan
Did it say that people are throwing them in the water?
Dead sheep are washed up in the Ras Garib in the Red Sea.
And Egypt raising fears of attracting frenzied sharks that pose a potential threat to tourism.
Okay, so what does it say?
Where do they find the sheep?
jamie vernon
They're washed up on the ocean?
joe rogan
Yeah, how many of them?
jamie vernon
The article I looked at from 2010 said, like a witness said, for sure I've seen it being dumped off of boats.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
The one that just happened, though, I didn't see a direct.
They had taken the shark to study it to find out why it had done it.
joe rogan
It also said the ship which dumped the sheep in the sea will be identified to punish its crew, adding that importing and exporting companies will also be punished.
So that's what happened.
People were dumping those fucking things in the water.
It probably helped.
That's what it is.
tim dillon
And then the sharks get excited.
And I understand you have to live with them, but it's also like, you know, we just gotta...
I don't know, the defending of them all the time.
People are like, whoa, it's the...
joe rogan
It's a weird narrative, right?
It's like all of a sudden sharks aren't Jaws anymore.
When we were a kid, Jaws was, if your grandfather went shark fishing, it was like, fuck yeah, Grandpa, go get one.
tim dillon
Right, but now Eli was saying, like, it's 12 people a year are bitten, it's not a lot, and that we have bigger problems.
We do.
We do, but I also think that, like, you know, I don't know, there's a weird thing that people do where they make, like, there's all these shark videos where these, like, women are biologists or whatever, they're, like, tapping these tiger sharks or, like, redirecting these tiger sharks.
Like Ocean Ramsey, all these people, and they go, like, we're educating you about sharks.
And, like, one day one of these sharks is going to get them.
It's the same thing.
If you saw a dude in the forest living with a bear, like that documentary, and then the bear ate him, you'd go, makes sense.
joe rogan
That's how it happens.
tim dillon
These are wild animals, and I think people just don't understand.
Yeah, what are we doing here?
unidentified
Bro, fuck off.
tim dillon
That's not respectful.
unidentified
Fuck off.
joe rogan
How does this guy have this relationship with a shark?
tim dillon
That's his friend.
joe rogan
How is this possible?
tim dillon
That's his friend.
joe rogan
This is insanity.
He's literally petting a demon.
But look at that thing again.
If that thing didn't exist and it was in a Dune movie, there was nothing like this that was real.
But this is something in a movie.
You'd be horrified.
Look at the mouth on that thing.
It's literally a giant killing machine with huge, razor-sharp teeth.
It's dummy shit.
tim dillon
There's this thing where people fetishize these monsters, and they try to give them souls.
And they don't care about human beings, by the way, and they never do this to people that they disagree with.
But they'll say that the monster at the bottom of the ocean with the teeth, who just swims around looking for things to eat all day, that's actually a cuddly, beautiful thing.
But the person who disagrees with me on taxes is a monster who should be jailed.
But the shark is good.
joe rogan
We have to save the monsters.
tim dillon
Yeah, so to me it is a little weird thing where it's like we have something in us that we will bring on our own.
But his point was like sharks eat algae and it keeps the ocean clean.
You know, going or something.
joe rogan
Well, no one's saying you should eradicate charts.
tim dillon
No one's saying we should eradicate, but I think they should feel the wrath a little bit.
joe rogan
They should probably move out of all the areas where the cities are.
tim dillon
We don't need them.
We don't need them in Malibu or the Hamptons or places where people spend a good amount of money to live and swim.
That's not cool.
joe rogan
Apparently, there was a...
Where was it that they...
Was it the Bay Area?
They found a disturbing number of great whites.
tim dillon
Yeah, but no one swims up there.
And you know what?
joe rogan
They do, though.
They swim all the way up.
tim dillon
In the Bay Area?
joe rogan
Yeah, the Alcatraz swim.
unidentified
Oh, that's interesting.
joe rogan
Those wild fuckers.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think Nick and Nate Diaz have both done it like five times.
tim dillon
Wow, that's interesting.
joe rogan
Maybe more than five.
Nick might have done it like seven times.
Yeah, it's miles, right?
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
Isn't it like a couple of miles?
In the ocean, freezing water, filled with sharks?
tim dillon
Filled.
joe rogan
Filled with sharks.
tim dillon
Well, you knew a guy, you said, who used to do like a serious swim.
Or I think somebody had been on your show.
joe rogan
Yes, Peter Atiyah.
tim dillon
And he did like serious, like he would swim like distances in the ocean.
joe rogan
Peter Atiyah swam the distances between all of the islands in Hawaii.
tim dillon
And you said he like saw some stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, bro.
Well, when he was preparing for it, it was right around the same time where there was a group of people that I think they were preparing for triathlons or something, and someone got eaten by a great white in that same water.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
So, like, there was a group of, like, a string of people?
tim dillon
I went to Australia, and we swam at, like, Bondi Beach.
It was a really cool beach, crazy riptides, but a week or earlier, a guy who was swimming far out got eaten.
It's a tough way to go.
joe rogan
Bro, you're just, like, taking the craziest chance.
tim dillon
Have you ever thought about, like, would you want to be mauled by an animal at the end?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
tim dillon
Because you love animals, and you always talk about how powerful these animals are.
joe rogan
I don't want to go on the fucking piss in my pants in fear.
tim dillon
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Getting eaten alive.
tim dillon
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Doesn't seem like fun.
tim dillon
That's probably not.
joe rogan
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
tim dillon
It's got to be interesting that moment.
You know that kid jumped off a cruise ship and was eaten by sharks.
He was like, high school graduation, showing off for his friends, being silly, at night, in the Bahamas.
Kid was from like Alabama.
Poor kid just had one stupid, you know, sometimes in life you just make one stupid decision.
joe rogan
Oh no.
tim dillon
So this is it.
joe rogan
I don't want to see this.
tim dillon
No, you don't see it.
You just see, like, he just jumps off.
He jumps off a cruise ship, and then he just disappears, and it's shark-infested waters.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tim dillon
And, you know, he was just a young guy just trying to show off.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tim dillon
And he just jumps off, and...
joe rogan
What a horrible way to go.
tim dillon
And you can see with these hyper-analyzed, you can see the shark kind of next to him, like a big, massive thing.
It's just like...
joe rogan
It's such a freaky animal because the only bones it has are that fucking thing in its mouth.
tim dillon
They were saying it's like older than trees?
joe rogan
Older than trees.
tim dillon
It's like one of the oldest things in the world.
It's an ancient evil.
joe rogan
How amazing is that?
It's older than trees by like 50 million years.
tim dillon
It's really crazy.
It is amazing.
And it'll probably be here after we're gone.
joe rogan
The ocean needs a clean up crew.
tim dillon
They're the garbage men of the ocean.
When we're done, all these things will thrive.
joe rogan
Well, who knows what damage we do if we're done.
tim dillon
That's a good point.
joe rogan
You know, like me and Post Malone were talking as if there's a better pair to be talking about what could go wrong in the thermonuclear war and what damage it can do to the environment.
It's me and Post Malone.
Because we were talking about Mars and there's some sort of strange evidence of a certain element that exists after nuclear bombs that's pretty common on Mars.
And so there was this article about Mars having some kind of a natural nuclear reactor.
But the idea was, like, imagine if there was a time where we did go have an all-out nuclear war with Russia and China.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And everybody nuked everybody.
The whole Earth would be just obliterated.
tim dillon
Uninhabitable.
joe rogan
Uninhabitable.
Obliterated.
And maybe we would blow out the atmosphere, too.
tim dillon
And that would last for years and years and years.
But eventually, I guess, it would wear off and...
joe rogan
Maybe, or maybe some super intelligent planet comes and visits, like we're planning on doing to Mars.
Like what we're planning on doing to Mars, like this is Elon Musk's whole SpaceX plan, right?
This Mars mission plan.
They want to go to Mars, set up colonies on Mars, and then eventually terraform it.
Right?
So figure out some way to generate oxygen, start up an environment there.
tim dillon
Biodome, Pauly Shore.
joe rogan
I don't know what they're going to say.
tim dillon
Something.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, who knows?
But the idea is that you could set up a living colony on Mars.
tim dillon
We'll probably need to eventually.
We've got to go somewhere.
joe rogan
But imagine if that's what happened here.
tim dillon
That's probably what happened here.
What do you think about all these UFO disclosures?
Are these things registering to you is legit?
joe rogan
I go back and forth every day.
The more I think about it, the more I talk to people about it, there's something about it that makes me say, at the very least, it's not all true.
tim dillon
There's got to be something, because it doesn't have the...
It doesn't pass the smell test.
There's something weird about it to me.
joe rogan
Well, my thought is that in almost everything that they tell you, everything involving, you know, international conflicts, everything involving the environment, everything, there's always some bullshit in it.
It's always, like, you have to figure out where's the bullshit.
There's always something.
Like, oh, well, why are you wanting people to take this specific medication?
You get all these campaign contributions from those people.
Oh, and then you own stock in that company.
It's so hard to know.
tim dillon
It's exactly what it is.
joe rogan
So hard to know.
tim dillon
It's very difficult.
joe rogan
So hard to know what's the motivation behind certain decisions that get made.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's almost impossible to know.
And then why are certain things come to light at certain times?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Why are certain things public that weren't public?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Are they trying to move people out?
Is this like some crazy game of crafty publicity chess?
tim dillon
And, you know, so to me, the way I've always felt about it is like...
Usually there is a ulterior motive for most things you hear.
Most things, not all of them, but a lot of things you hear The reason for it is a few subterranean layers down.
So I don't know what that could be.
I don't know why all this stuff is coming out.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is, and you're saying the same thing, you're never getting 100% the truth.
tim dillon
Never.
joe rogan
The government is never like, hey, this one time, I'm going to fucking lay it all out.
This is what's wrong, and you can't fix it.
tim dillon
We're taking an hour, we're going to let you know everything, and then we're going to move on.
joe rogan
These people are making billions of dollars with these decisions, and they're not going to change it for their morals, ever.
And you're not going to arrest them.
tim dillon
It's just what it is.
But every now and then they build a football stadium you like.
So, that's what it is.
joe rogan
They put their name on the arena, and we all back off.
tim dillon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's some weird version of a republic.
tim dillon
You'd have to remake society from the ground up again.
Because society isn't an accident, right?
Everything that you see happen...
As you get older, more things make sense.
When you're younger, nothing makes sense.
And you're angry about everything.
And everything's injustice.
And you're enraged about everything.
And then as you get older, there are still a lot of things to be angry at, for sure.
And a lot of things to say, this sucks.
But then a lot of things make sense.
Like in comedy in the beginning, you're like, there's so much injustice.
All these funny people, nobody, they choose that person?
And then as you get older, you start to realize there's reasons why people get successful.
There's reasons why some people get really successful.
There's some, you know, you look at like certain people go, that person's a genius.
That person's amazing.
And then you'll look at some people go, that person's really amazing, but they don't work hard.
Or they have a drug and alcohol thing or whatever, right?
Things start to make more sense.
And I think I look at society and I'm not saying right or wrong.
I'm not saying it's morally correct.
But the reason certain people occupy certain positions in society is logical to me now.
Doesn't mean it's good.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
But it's a lot.
I understand.
I'm like, oh yeah, if you're willing to do X, you get Y. Yeah.
And that, you know...
That makes sense.
joe rogan
You're also never going to get an all good result when you have competition.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
It's never going to be all good.
unidentified
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Because some people are going to be obsessed with only, you know, getting more successful.
Always constantly Gordon Gekko style.
tim dillon
Right.
Never enough.
joe rogan
They're corporate raiders.
They want to fuck everybody.
They love the deal.
They love fucking people over.
tim dillon
And that's where I think comedy people fuck up.
It's a competition against yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You gotta keep trying to be funny.
But people actually get more fans by working together.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Collaborating.
Doing cool stuff, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
Also, when someone's really good and you have that feeling of jealousy, you should get inspired and work harder.
tim dillon
That should inspire you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
But I think it's different when it comes to hedge funds.
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
And stuff like that, right?
joe rogan
Because that's just a pure numbers game.
tim dillon
It's a pure numbers game, and they like to see people get eaten.
Like, I don't want to see any comic I know do poorly.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
I just want everybody to do well, and then the people who do well, it will all be determined.
But, like, the hedge fund guys, they just want to crush people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're raiders.
tim dillon
It's weird.
Military.
You'll see them in the Hamptons, and they're just these skinny-looking, dorky guys eating a lobster roll sloppily.
And they get in an old car, and they drive to some mansion.
And then they get on the phone, and they're like, okay, kill them all.
unidentified
And...
tim dillon
And that's weird.
I've always been fascinated by the configurations of power in a society and how they're established.
It's just interesting to me.
When I was a little kid, or not little, but in my late teen years, we would go smoke weed and drive around these areas in Long Island and see all these big mansions and stuff and go, who lives here?
What did they do?
How did they get here?
Why are they here?
What did they figure out that my parents didn't figure out?
Not in a way that you want to be them or they're better or whatever, although there's some arguments, but really just looking at it and being amazed by it and being like, it is interesting that the way this all shook out, and it's very interesting to me, how certain people just are at the top of the food chain and certain people are not, and then it's always shifting up there too.
There's always new people coming in.
The Bezoses, the Musks, the Gates.
It shakes it up.
And then those old finance families kind of fall off.
And then there's a lot of new tech people.
And then the AI people will come up and then some of them will be at the table.
It's a weird shifting group up there.
joe rogan
The AI thing, I think, is going to be...
The most ground-changing, the most life-changing, the most groundbreaking.
I have a feeling we're just a year or two away from people formulating all their business models on AI models of what to do and then becoming insanely successful doing it.
tim dillon
It's going to be sooner than people think.
joe rogan
Yeah, if AI figures out how to manipulate things or make the most money doing a certain thing...
tim dillon
Do you think we'll have one of the last jobs affected because we have this thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, because I think personality is hard.
You would be very hard to replicate.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Because the way you take turns and where you go with it, you'd have to have a very specific...
Fucked up, cynical sense of humor in computer form.
It would be very difficult because yours aren't traditionally set up punchline jokes in the sense of like a Seinfeld.
tim dillon
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's different.
So maybe you'd be safe.
tim dillon
For five years.
That's coming.
joe rogan
Some dudes will get you.
Some dudes will be able to get you.
I bet they could write Mitch Hedberg.
tim dillon
It's so weird to me that it's here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Like, when we came out of the pandemic, it's funny to just come out of the pandemic and go, what's next?
And they're like, oh, the machines are here.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're alive.
tim dillon
Like, will there ever be a time when we're not in a war with something that's trying to eradicate us, whether it's our own government or the machines?
joe rogan
This one is the most particularly disturbing.
Right.
Because this one could signify the emergence of a new life form.
This is the beginning.
tim dillon
Sentient.
joe rogan
Also, it could be a physical form, eventually, if it so wanted to be.
Once it becomes sentient, and it could totally decide to improve upon its design, and make its design far better, like really quickly.
And then make better and better versions of itself, like within years.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Or probably not even, probably like weeks, I don't know.
But the point is, like, it could figure how to do things out way better than us.
And if it is sentient, and it figures out how to replicate itself, and it's just omnipresent, if it's all over the world, it's the new dominant species on Earth.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Before you know it.
If you have no restrictions on how many of them can be made, and whether or not they can make ones of their own, Yeah.
And whether or not they can all link brains, whether or not they can all link cameras.
Like if these things are seeing out of their eyes and recording it on some sort of a hard drive, what if they all have access to the same hard drive?
So they share this intelligence?
tim dillon
They're an army.
joe rogan
They're a god.
tim dillon
They're an army and a god.
joe rogan
They become a god because not only are they infinitely intelligent, they literally have all the information that's ever existed on Earth, but they have a sentient artificial intelligence and they're communicating with each other.
tim dillon
And why are we marching towards this without any...
Like, I know some people are calling out how much of an issue this will be.
joe rogan
People are dismissing it, too, and with good arguments.
Mark Andreessen was on.
He had a very good argument to dismiss it about how it was going to improve people's lives and how AI is going to...
Educate people in a different way and operate businesses and that it's just an improvement in technology and that there is some real truth to the fact that technological innovation is never ending with humans.
We are never happy.
No one ever looks at a phone and goes, this is it.
This is my last phone for the rest of my life.
We are fucking obsessed with the latest, greatest stuff.
Whenever you get people that are in extreme comfort, like the United States is, for the most part, right?
When you get people that are, you know, we're in the...
If you make $34,000 a year, believe it or not, you're in the top 1% of planet Earth.
So, whenever you get people like that, there's gonna be, like, things that people...
There's things that people are gonna be upset about.
Where they wouldn't be upset under normal circumstances.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tim dillon
Right.
They have the position to be upset about things that a lot of the needs, you know, have been removed.
The basic necessities have been met, and now they can be angry about all kinds of things.
That are not hunting for food.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I don't think this is connected to anything other than like a human need.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
And I think it plugs itself into social scenarios to justify its existence.
tim dillon
The scary thing is that it could become, you know, what it essentially is, is a rival brain.
It's another sentient thinking, plotting, scheming thing.
joe rogan
And while it's happening, we're getting dumber.
We're getting dumber and more isolated in echo chambers.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And then there's this thing that they're developing that may or may not already be alive.
tim dillon
Is it?
Right.
But maybe is there any chance it's good?
joe rogan
I don't think there's any chance it's good for us.
So here's the thing.
If we are evolving, and I think we are, I think evolution's real, but I do think it's limited by biology in a time span.
Like, we can't get that good that quick.
It's pretty remarkable how much things do evolve and how quickly they actually evolve.
Not enough to keep up with technology because our technology is in this crazy fever pitch where you're sending videos through the sky to people in New Zealand.
tim dillon
It's like wild shit.
joe rogan
It's wild.
And it's only getting better.
They've got that new Google headset that allows you to ask questions online just using your brain.
Have you seen that?
tim dillon
I've seen it.
joe rogan
This guy's operating a fucking computer just using his brain.
tim dillon
So it's gonna be the next 10 years is terrifying.
joe rogan
Or wild, just fun.
Or great.
I don't know if it's terrifying.
What's terrifying is to me the collapse of society.
What's terrifying is these homeless encampments.
What's terrifying is the mental health problems that people have.
tim dillon
But will AI help with that?
What if we gave the homeless people the Google glasses?
joe rogan
Yeah, and think they're in a better place.
tim dillon
Then they don't know they're homeless.
joe rogan
Those are the first people that could actually...
tim dillon
That's a lot cheaper than a house.
Boom!
And you're home.
unidentified
Now you're happy.
tim dillon
I do think we're going to need technological innovations to deal...
With the crumbling cities, and we might have to start getting creative.
joe rogan
Do you think aliens are real?
tim dillon
You know, probably, but I've never been super interested in it because I think they look at us like ants.
joe rogan
Right, but ants are interesting.
We do a lot of research on ants.
tim dillon
Every time I see one, I call someone the fat guy to come in and spray it.
joe rogan
I have leafcutter ants that are decimating.
tim dillon
The fire ants are tough here.
joe rogan
Ooh, they got me.
Wanna see my foot?
tim dillon
What happened?
Did it hurt you?
joe rogan
Oh, they fucked me up.
I stepped barefoot.
tim dillon
On a mound of fire ants?
joe rogan
Yeah, outside fucking around with kids.
tim dillon
Well, maybe AI could help this.
joe rogan
Yeah, nope.
This is...
tim dillon
If AI can regulate sharks, I'm fine with it.
joe rogan
This is LI. It's lesser intelligence.
When you're walking around barefoot in fire in a country like an asshole outside, and you don't realize that you're getting bit until, like, I probably got bit 15, 20 times.
My foot got fucked up, son.
And for me, for whatever reason, whenever I get bit by fire ants, my foot swells up.
Right.
Trying to find it.
Let me see what I got here.
Sorry.
tim dillon
No, no.
It's interesting to me that we're confronting all these things now, and it's going to be interesting because we really don't know what's going to happen.
joe rogan
No, we have no idea.
tim dillon
And it's exciting and it's fun and you just gotta kind of embrace it and roll with the punches.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of people working on that stuff.
A lot of people diligently working on that stuff.
tim dillon
It's coming.
They want it to happen.
Whatever it is.
joe rogan
I don't have too many goddamn photos.
tim dillon
You gotta just deal with the changing landscape of, you know, who will enslave you.
joe rogan
There it is.
Look at my foot.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
Fire ants?
joe rogan
It's like a balloon.
tim dillon
Crazy.
joe rogan
I had to play pool with my shoes off.
That's insane.
My foot was jammed in my shoe.
Then my healthcare professional told me to put on some Converse All-Stars where you can pull them tight, and actually it would help with the swelling, and it did.
It went away the next day.
I was fine.
I got nervous right there.
tim dillon
Maybe this AI thing is actually good.
Maybe this is actually going to be a good thing for everybody.
joe rogan
It could be good in the sense that it elevates us out of this fucking primal chimpanzee state that we're all in.
Yeah, this weird and tribal primitive human mindset that we still carry around with us.
unidentified
I'll advertise it, too.
tim dillon
I'll take money.
Like, if any of these companies want to advertise on my show...
Give me money and I'll tell people how good it's going to be.
I'll tell them how good it's going to be.
You don't need a job.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
tim dillon
You don't need a job.
In fact, once you don't have a job, you could really see what your potential is.
joe rogan
And the thing is, it's like the people who promoted the vaccine, even if it didn't work, nobody holds you accountable.
tim dillon
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter.
If you promoted it, you're allowed.
tim dillon
Here's what it did do.
It made people a trillion dollars.
That's not nothing.
joe rogan
It definitely worked there.
tim dillon
That's not nothing.
joe rogan
And with the robot things, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Humans aren't in control anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But look, there's zero crime.
tim dillon
Here's the reality.
If I was Pfizer, the CEO of Pfizer, I'd be like, do you people not like boats?
Because I got a banging boat.
So what the fuck's your problem?
joe rogan
I saw a boat today where they have a helicopter that folds down into the boat.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know how much money you have to have to have a helicopter that tucks away?
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
When you go, like if you ever take a trip to the Amalfi Coast, you see these fucking boats out there.
Steve Jobs' yacht was out there.
It's a giant Apple store.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
A giant floating apple store.
It's amazing.
Check this out.
Look at this helicopter.
tim dillon
This is crazy.
joe rogan
It stores away in his boat.
This dude literally has like a floating island.
tim dillon
I had Andrew Schultz.
I was texting him.
He was in the Amalfi Coast.
He goes on these amazing vacations and I had my family at my house on Long Island.
And then he would be at the Amalfi Coast and I would just send him a photo of my aunt complaining about the bugs.
There's so many bugs!
Why?
You know?
joe rogan
That's better for comedy, though.
tim dillon
It's better for comedy.
The Amalfi Coast is probably not funny, I guess.
I don't know, but I want to go.
joe rogan
Zero funny.
You have to completely restart your funny.
tim dillon
I do want to go.
joe rogan
It's so pretty.
tim dillon
Is it prettier than America?
No.
We gotta unite more because...
joe rogan
Listen, America is beautiful.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
But the best places of America, we shouldn't even talk about because I don't want people going there.
tim dillon
That's a good point.
Because, like, everybody got back from Italy.
All my friends from Italy got back, like, they went to Italy.
They're like, it's so much better than America.
I'm like, guys, shut up.
Like, start, like, maybe that's true, but also, like, lie.
joe rogan
It's not better than America, but what it is is fucking amazing.
It's like, it's a great place to visit.
I mean, what I want to live, Gore Vidal lived there.
Gore Vidal used to write up in this fucking amazing house.
tim dillon
Yeah, you gotta be a novelist.
The only way you could do it there is to be a novelist because we need like friction and we need audiences and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, he needs just peace.
tim dillon
This is stunningly amazing, I gotta be honest.
joe rogan
It's so pretty, man.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
The food is fucking sensational.
See if you can find Gore Vidal's house.
Oh, you can rent it?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You could stay in Gore Vidal's house.
tim dillon
That's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Look at his, that's him.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's a good life.
joe rogan
Dude.
tim dillon
It's not bad.
joe rogan
Did you ever watch that documentary of him and- Buckley?
Yeah, William F. Buckley.
tim dillon
Yeah, a while ago.
joe rogan
I rewatched it.
tim dillon
I should rewatch it.
joe rogan
I rewatched it recently.
It's really good, man.
I'll rewatch it.
It's so like what's going on today with the right and the left.
And with them, it was very transparent because people hadn't realized, like, to insult your, you know, to use ad hominems, to insult each other.
tim dillon
But they were much more intellectual, both of them.
joe rogan
They were very intellectual, but also very combative.
tim dillon
Compared to what we have now, I mean, they were much more intellectual.
joe rogan
And then, you know, William F. Buckley lost his cool.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And said something to him.
See if you can find it.
tim dillon
Didn't he smack him or something, William F. Buckley?
joe rogan
He said he would sock him.
tim dillon
Sock him or something?
joe rogan
Did he call him a queer?
I think he called him a queer or something like that.
tim dillon
Oh, you queer?
joe rogan
He didn't like that old English accent.
tim dillon
It was still very proper.
He's like, I'll sock you, you queer.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were insulting each other.
tim dillon
But it was like a high art when they did it.
joe rogan
Well, they were fucking...
It was very combative.
Crypto-Nazi.
Crypto-Nazi.
That's right.
Because Gore Vidal called him a Crypto-Nazi.
unidentified
...try to raise the Viet Cong flag in the park in the film we just saw.
Wouldn't that invite?
Raising a Nazi flag in World War II would have had similar consequences.
People in the United States happen to believe that the United States policy is wrong in Vietnam and the Viet Cong are correct in wanting to organize their country in their own way politically.
If it is a novelty in Chicago, that is too bad.
But I assume that the point of the American democracy is you can express any point of view you want.
Shut up a minute.
No, I won't.
Some people will follow Nazi, and the answer is that they were well treated by people who ostracized them.
And I'm for ostracizing people who egg on other people to shoot American marines and American soldiers.
I know you don't care because you don't feel any sense of identification.
As far as I'm concerned, the only sort of pro-crypto-nazi I can think of is yourself.
Failing that, I would only say that we can't have the right of assembly.
Let's not call names.
Now listen, you queer.
Stop calling me a crypto-nazi or I'll sock you in your goddamn face and you'll stay plastered.
Let's go back to his pornography and stop making any...
tim dillon
This is the most intellectual thing I've ever seen, though.
joe rogan
I'll sock you in your goddamn face and you'll stay plastered.
tim dillon
We haven't had a debate like that in a year.
Literally, our debates have degenerated into people on Twitter with the avatars of animals going, groomer, Nazi, groomer, Nazi, groomer.
I mean, this is like at least...
These people are at least like...
Functioning intellectuals.
joe rogan
There's zero likelihood that guy could throw a good right hand.
tim dillon
William F. Buckley?
joe rogan
You don't think so?
He lost his cool.
tim dillon
He lost his cool.
joe rogan
Lost his cool.
tim dillon
He lost his cool.
joe rogan
But they were, you know, they were insulting each other while disagreeing and interrupting each other.
tim dillon
Well, the debate was like an art form at that point.
joe rogan
It is.
You know, it's a thing, though, that I really feel like the way to...
Like, I've seen people do it in debates where they have three minutes to state a case.
Like, I watched the Monk debates recently.
I watched this one with Douglas Murray and Malcolm Gladwell and a couple other people.
Oh, Matt Taibbi was in it too.
And some woman, I forgot her name, sorry.
But you have like three minutes to say something.
And then there's a rebuttal.
And that's three minutes.
And then sometimes they interrupt each other.
Sometimes it broke out into a conversation.
But that's what I wanted.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I wanted a conversation.
Like, this idea that you should have three minutes.
Like, how about just give someone three minutes?
Like, if you just...
You don't want anybody to dominate the conversation, not let other people speak their point of view, but if you could just, like, agree...
To like a gentleman's agreement.
It's sort of like when people agree when they're sparring.
We're not going to wail at each other.
Let's just go in here and try with good faith.
Right.
You lay out what you think is correct and I'll lay out my beliefs and we'll try to figure out why I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe.
Detached as a human from that.
The problem is we don't do that.
We attach ourselves to every fucking idea we have.
Whether it's ideas about politics or ideas about social situations or money or capitalism.
We attach ourselves to these ideas, and we defend them, and they are a part of our identity.
That's where things get squirrely with people, because we're so fucking tribal.
We get attached to ideologies that support this thing that we think of as us, as our worldview.
And sometimes people switch.
You know, I'm those fucking lefties.
I got red-pilled during the pandemic and now I fucking have a frog flag in my living room.
tim dillon
It's people...
I think it's the desire for community.
It's the desire for, you know, some type of social standing and people want to...
You know, we're lucky enough to have a thing that we like doing, that which challenging, that we can do all the time, that there's never an end to it.
You can always get better at it.
You can always look at something and go, I wish that came out better and this was better.
And I think that's a lucky thing to have.
I don't think everybody has that.
I think, you know, there are people that are bored, very bored.
And I think out of extreme boredom can come a lot of problems.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know, idle time.
It's kind of like, that is a good quote.
It's like the devil's play thing.
Like, if you don't have something to do, into that vacuum can get thrown all kinds of...
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people during the pandemic used it for good, right?
They started a script.
They fucking decided to start a workout routine and change their diet.
They picked up skills.
They learned a language.
But not everybody has that mindset.
And some people wallowed in Twitter.
Wow.
Just fought with everybody and called unvaccinated people plague rats and just wild shit, man.
Everybody losing their fucking mind.
tim dillon
I just love them around today, like, you're a plague rat.
unidentified
You're a plague rat, you queer.
tim dillon
Plague rat queer.
joe rogan
I'll suck you in your mouth.
tim dillon
I'll suck you in your mouth.
Call me a rat.
Yeah, I mean, I... You know, I think that it's...
unidentified
Crypto Nazi.
tim dillon
Crypto Nazi.
But it's funny.
I mean, it's like two dudes that, like...
You know, you live during a time.
That's what's interesting.
It's like you know about all the other times, but you live in one particular time and you might experience like there's a lot of things that happen in the span of any lifetime.
For as long as it is, you know?
But like, the way I think now versus even the way I thought four years ago has changed dramatically, right?
Because like, so much happened in that period of time.
So many new, you know, ways to think about things.
So many new weird things happened that you were like, oh, the things that you thought were impossible became possible.
The horror movie scenarios in your head that you had cooked up became reality.
joe rogan
Right?
tim dillon
All these things.
So, you know, it's definitely weird that there are people that, you know, never lived during this time and had no idea that any of the things that we went through were even really possible.
And then kids, like, people will forget about it.
Like, people that were two will...
During the pandemic, might always trust the government because they never lived through this time of massive government overreach and really sloppy science and private and public fuckery, this weird unity between the private and the public sector and large profit-making institutions and all this stuff.
So if you didn't live through it, You'll never appreciate it for how wild it was and how insane it was.
joe rogan
Do you know that there is a lot of people that are saying that their children have impaired speech?
Because during the pandemic they made them wear masks all the time.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
There's like, even if it's a certain percentage of the time when you're talking to someone, when you're a child, Apparently.
We should Google this to make sure it's true.
But I believe what they think is that as you're talking to someone and you're reading their lips, there's like a thing going on where you see their expression and you get to read faces.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And you get to learn how to read people.
And that this is a very critical part of development when you're a child.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
And if you're exposed to even a small percentage, I would imagine, of your interactions or with people with shielded faces, you're not going to get any data from that.
You're going to get this weird thing.
Masks can be detrimental to baby speech and language development.
The good news is parents can take action to compensate.
Well, I hope that's true.
I hope you can compensate.
My fear would be that there's certain stages where babies learn things, where they're sort of developmental stages.
And if that's one of them, where like when they're really learning how to form their first words, And have conversations with parents that they're not seeing mouths.
Right.
That seems...
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And now that we find out that it didn't work, the whole thing is so insane.
There was a study recently, see if you can find this, because we brought this up the other day, but we never googled it, that wearing an N95 mask, you should never wear one for more than an hour a day.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Well, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's going to come out now that'll be the complete opposite of what we were told to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's apparently some other health risks that can come from wearing one of those all the time.
tim dillon
Of course.
unidentified
I would imagine if it's hot out, you're spitting into this fucking thing.
tim dillon
I mean, just like I remember during this whole thing, you had all those TikTok kids get really famous in LA and like...
It's amazing that TikTok, which is an app started by China, the people that started this app were very open about what they were going to do.
They were like, we're going to take 20 kids, make them famous, make them icons, because we think in the early stages of any social media app, having majorly famous people on it brings more people into it, right?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So these kids that were just running around L.A. got famous because somewhere in a room in like Shanghai or Beijing or whatever, they were choosing who would play to America, like the Charli D'Amelio girls, like the girl next door with brown hair and brown eyes, and they're just like, okay, we're going to make all these people famous.
This is a real interesting period of time to have lived through, where while you have all this government overreach and stuff like that, You have this landscape that's being completely curated in ways you don't know about.
You don't understand what's happening because, like, people are being chosen, you know, in rooms in China to be famous.
And, like, you know, nobody knew, you know, about, you know, Anthony Fauci really until he became the czar of public health.
Some people in the government knew who he was.
It was just a weird time.
It was a strange time where a lot of things were changing and all of the technology had...
And then they were like, wait a minute, is this good?
Is it good that we have this app that China has access to all of this information that we have?
So that was a huge thing during the pandemic, too.
TikTok exploded during the pandemic.
It's very interesting.
All these things that happened in that period of time are interesting things.
joe rogan
They're all interesting.
tim dillon
All interesting things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a new sort of era of human beings, like a totally new chapter.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a weird chapter where nobody trusts the government.
Nobody trusts the media.
Nobody trusts—there's a lot of people that don't trust election machines.
They don't trust politicians.
They don't trust congresspeople.
They don't trust the cops.
tim dillon
Nobody trusts anything.
joe rogan
And it's also, we're like at the verge.
We're about, like, how many years away from being able to read minds?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
How many years do we have before we're plugged into something?
tim dillon
I don't know.
Most people's minds I don't want to read.
joe rogan
Do you know how wild that's going to be?
tim dillon
They can keep their minds.
joe rogan
When you find out, they're like, imagine if you were married to someone and you found out they were plotting to kill you.
tim dillon
Well, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Imagine you just read their mind and all of a sudden you're like, wow.
unidentified
Right.
Why?
tim dillon
But also, how many husbands and wives have those thoughts that pass through their head, like, I should kill that motherfucker?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And then they never do.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just like to entertain those thoughts a little bit.
tim dillon
How many people just like to...
Yeah, some people probably have fantasies about killing their significant other.
Maybe that's good.
joe rogan
But what if you know they're plotting it?
Right.
tim dillon
Well, look at the Gilgal Beach guy, right?
This woman slept next to this guy, lived in her house.
He's killing hookers and burying them on a Long Island beach.
He's like this regular Massapequa dad...
Walking around, going to bars, telling people about the murders because he wants to be cool, going, oh, I know about those Google murders.
You know how it probably happened?
It's like that OJ book he released, If I Did It.
This guy's going to bars in Long Island going, yeah, this is probably going to happen.
People are getting creeped out.
They're like, he seems to know a lot about this.
joe rogan
Oh, my gosh.
So they suspected him before that?
tim dillon
Yeah, they were watching him for a while.
joe rogan
Because he was always talking about it.
tim dillon
He was always talking about it.
Ugh.
They had a few other things, DNA, technological things.
He implicated himself with DNA on a pizza box or something, and then they got him.
But again, this was a guy who had two kids and a wife.
joe rogan
Didn't they find his wife's hair?
tim dillon
Something, I don't know.
joe rogan
I think one of his wife's hairs.
tim dillon
That's interesting.
I don't know.
joe rogan
See if you can find that, because I think that was one of the ways they found it.
tim dillon
But that's so weird that then she's like, oh, my husband's a Gilgo Beach murderer.
joe rogan
And you were sleeping with that guy.
You had kids with that guy.
tim dillon
Yeah, and then the daughter.
But my whole attitude is it kind of makes you cool a little bit.
It makes you important a little bit.
They won't even visit them.
And my whole thing is if my dad killed a bunch of hookers, I'd visit them every day.
I'd be like, you're so much more interesting than I thought.
Like, I love my dad.
But if my dad was like a serial killer, I'd be like, what is going on?
It'd be amazing.
I'd feel bad for the people he killed.
unidentified
Yes, for sure.
tim dillon
But you would be fascinated.
joe rogan
Fascinating to talk to him.
tim dillon
Dude, it would be amazing.
joe rogan
But if you could have a conversation with the Iceman.
tim dillon
Oh, my God.
He wasn't just talking.
My father wasn't just talking about his dog.
joe rogan
What were you saying, Jay?
jamie vernon
What were you trying to get me on the Google Beach thing?
joe rogan
Oh.
His wife's hair.
Whether or not his wife's hair was found at the scene of the crime, of one of the crimes.
I think it was.
tim dillon
But that's the thing about the suburbs.
People have these weird, hidden lives.
And his was that he was a murderer.
jamie vernon
It says it's hair believed.
tim dillon
In the suburbs, everybody looks, you know, it's very, there's a lot of conformity.
joe rogan
Hair believed to be from the Gilgo Beach suspect's wife found near victims.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
They already say once Rex Heuermann was identified in early 2022 as a suspect.
They watched him and his family collected DNA samples from items that were thrown away.
tim dillon
I'd love to hear why, like when these, you know, why did he do it?
But I guess it's just he was bored.
joe rogan
He's an evil fuck.
tim dillon
I'm an evil guy and I'm bored.
joe rogan
He's an evil fuck.
tim dillon
And I need something to do.
joe rogan
I think there's people that hate themselves.
They hate life.
And they want to do something awful.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
You know?
And they want to see if they can get away with it, too.
People steal things.
Like Winona Ryder was shoplifting things.
She was rich.
Why would she do that?
Because they want to get away with stuff.
tim dillon
It's a thrill.
joe rogan
It's like a crazy thrill.
tim dillon
It's a thrill.
joe rogan
It's a psychopathy.
tim dillon
It's a thrill.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a psychological disorder.
tim dillon
Well, Stranger Things got her back on a bike, huh?
joe rogan
She was great on that show.
tim dillon
She was really good.
joe rogan
She was great on it.
That show was fucking amazing.
tim dillon
Keep stealing.
Good for her.
Who's getting hurt by that?
joe rogan
CVS? It's probably like department stores.
tim dillon
But it is strange when somebody, you know, has a hidden life and it's crazy.
jamie vernon
I think this is where the N95 thing came from.
unidentified
I found a bunch of stuff Googling about N95. Well, you could feel when you wore those masks it wasn't good because you're breathing in your own carbon dioxide.
tim dillon
It's bad.
jamie vernon
It says that you can wear it up to about eight hours usually.
joe rogan
What was this one that was saying?
jamie vernon
I was trying to find specifically what it was.
This article before I get further into it says this blog is specifically about respirators and not face masks.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
But it does say here when the workers are working longer hours without a break while continuously wearing an N95 FFR. I don't know exactly what the FFR means.
The blood CO2 levels may increase past the one-hour mark.
joe rogan
Which could have significant physiological effects on the wearer.
Some of the known physiological effects of increased concentration of CO2 include headache, increased pressure inside the skull, nervous system changes, IG, increased pain threshold, reduction in cognition, altered judgment, decreased situational awareness, difficulty coordinating sensory or cognitive abilities, and motor activity, difficulty coordinating sensory or cognitive abilities, and motor activity, decreased visual acuity, widespread activism, sympathetic nervous system that can oppose the direct effects of CO2 on the heart and blood vessels, increased breathing frequency, increased work
increased breathing frequency, increased work of breathing, which is a result of breathing through a filter medium, cardiovascular effects, example, diminished cardiac contractility, vasodilation Reduced tolerance to lighter workloads.
So it's not good.
jamie vernon
That's just the known effects from breathing.
joe rogan
Yeah, increased concentrations of CO2, which can happen if you have a face mask on, like an N95, I guess.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, you know, the people wore those fuckers all day long.
How many people got really fucked up from those things?
There's people that were wearing them outside at the park.
It's crazy.
I saw so many people outside in LA wearing those things.
But they got fucking brainwashed.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
They got brainwashed and they didn't get good information on what can be done to make your body more resilient.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
But, you know, I mean, I think at the end of the day, it's like, I think people learned, even the people that are not, not disclosing that.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people.
tim dillon
A lot of people now are just kind of like.
jamie vernon
For reference, that FFR, when I just looked it up.
FFR means a filtering face piece respirator.
When I Google that, it's a giant face mask.
It's not just a face mask.
tim dillon
But people had those too.
joe rogan
That's insane.
Okay, that's a different story.
That's not an N95. That's a fucking Darth Vader mask.
tim dillon
Those are kind of cooler.
joe rogan
That's a lot different.
It's a lot different.
That probably does a way better job of keeping all the cooties out, but it probably fucks you up because that's why you're getting so much CO2. Because the thing about those N95s, not just N95s, but the thing about specifically like surgical masks.
Have you ever seen that doctor that does this test where he takes a vape pen?
And he takes a big hit and he blows it through the face mask and explains that the size of the vapor that's going through the face mask is far larger than the COVID virus.
So when you're breathing out, it's going right through that goddamn thing.
Like some of the aspects of those N95 or was it KN95? Maybe both of them.
There's sort of an electrical charge to that kind of fabric, right?
And it captures some of the stuff.
It stops some of it from getting in.
So they might have a beneficial effect.
tim dillon
It was a mess, right?
It was a big mess.
joe rogan
People were wearing bullshit.
They were wearing the same face diaper every day.
tim dillon
It was a big mess.
And you know what?
It'll be forgotten by people.
We'll remember it.
People our age will remember it and younger than us.
joe rogan
Did you know that they wore them in 1918 during the Spanish flu?
tim dillon
I did not.
joe rogan
Yeah, they wore them.
I didn't know either until this pandemic.
I saw these photos of the 1918s.
People walking on the streets with face masks on.
tim dillon
Hopefully we're done with pandemics for a while and we could just be killed by all the machines.
joe rogan
Well, Biden said there's going to be another pandemic.
tim dillon
Well, they want one, but...
joe rogan
I don't know if he spoke.
It was one of those, we need money.
There's gonna be another pandemic?
tim dillon
I want machines to kill us.
I'm bored with pandemics.
I'd rather the machines rise just to be more fun.
joe rogan
I don't think you have a choice.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I think it'd be more fun to just see a bunch of AI sentient robots trying to kill everybody.
If we're gonna go, let's just do full Terminator.
Let's go.
If it's gonna happen, the pandemics are boring.
We've done that as hack.
joe rogan
It's scary.
The pandemic's scary because it may have been started by people.
tim dillon
It probably was.
They were fucking around in that lab.
joe rogan
Most likely.
It got out.
tim dillon
Trying to get more money.
joe rogan
Some of the researchers got sick.
They all had COVID-like symptoms.
It seems like they know what happened.
tim dillon
They were trying to get more money, showing the government, going, look, what if this happened?
What if that happened?
joe rogan
And it's also funding.
tim dillon
If you can do this research- And it's probably fun.
That's what's fucked up about it.
If your job is to create diseases all day, you're probably like, let's create something fun where you don't know you have it for 12 days.
Then we go show the government that and go, look how scary this one is.
You better fund us now.
You better give us all the money because we have this crazy new disease.
Because that's all they do is they just manipulate these diseases to make them more dangerous so they can get more money.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
It's for funding.
And obviously, they didn't have a fucking cure, right?
So how long have you been working on this thing?
How long have you been fucking doing these weird science projects on bugs?
What is this mosquito thing I keep hearing about?
Where they're trying to figure out a way to have mosquitoes vaccinate people?
tim dillon
No bullshit.
Yeah, no, they're trying to have mosquitoes.
Bill Gates, I think, wants to own all the mosquitoes in the world.
And I don't know why, but I think it's good.
joe rogan
Could you fucking imagine if that's how they vaccinate people?
I think he's good.
tim dillon
He just wants to own all the farmland and all the mosquitoes.
joe rogan
Imagine if they genetically engineer mosquitoes to vaccinate people.
tim dillon
Is that what's happening?
joe rogan
No.
I mean, I'm just guessing.
I think I've heard that, but I don't know what forum.
See if that's real.
Have they genetically engineered mosquitoes?
Could they potentially?
tim dillon
Is Bill Gates trying to vaccinate me with a wasp?
joe rogan
Well, the first thought was like, we're going to genetically engineer mosquitoes that can't carry malaria.
That'll save so many lives.
Oh, we'll go right ahead.
C-Y-V-Z-I-K-V could replicate efficiently in mosquitoes and be secreted in saliva, they said.
By feeding mosquitoes blood that contained the C-Y-V-Z-I-K-V virus, the insects were transformed into a vaccine carrier.
tim dillon
Awesome.
joe rogan
Zhang's team then tested the effectiveness of their new vaccine on mice.
tim dillon
So every time you just hit your leg, you're like, I got a booster.
I'm getting boosted now.
joe rogan
Jeez Louise, what are these people doing?
That is the wildest thing that the world hasn't stepped in and just said...
Stop all this fucking gain-of-function shit, you assholes.
tim dillon
Because it makes a lot of money.
joe rogan
Scientists were able to genetically modify parasites to deliver malaria vaccines through mosquito bites.
Holy shit, dude.
We use the mosquitoes like there are a thousand small flying syringes, explains University of Washington, Seattle physician and scientist Dr. Sean Murphy, lead author of the paper.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Bro.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
Well, it's also crazy that Gates wants to own all the farmland and stuff.
People that make a billion dollars, a lot of them just don't want to chill with a billion dollars.
You know when you're a little kid?
joe rogan
He's got a hundred plus billion.
tim dillon
I know, but it doesn't matter anymore.
He wants people to do everything he says.
When you were a little kid, you're like, if I had money, I'd just put a water slide from my bedroom to the pool, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
That's what your little kid idea.
I'd have a fast car, and I'd have a fucking jungle gym in my, whatever it is.
Then as you grow older, you go, okay, I'll have a mansion and a couple of things.
Then you're like, I'll get to fuck all the hot bitches or whatever it is you think money's going to get, right?
But at that level, you're like, I want to own all the mosquitoes and I want them to vaccinate people on my command.
It goes so crazy.
You have so many resources.
That you are a big Batman villain.
You've become this like all power.
He's a country.
Bill Gates has the resources and not a small country.
He has the resources and the political power of a country.
joe rogan
If they release those vaccine carrying mosquitoes, there would be people out there that would be bug catchers where they're trying to go get stung up as much as possible so they can be free of any worry of diseases.
Well, there'd also be people standing there.
tim dillon
There'd also be like clinics in LA and Beverly Hills.
We could go and just get stung.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
tim dillon
And they would put it on your skin and you'd get stung.
joe rogan
Did you guys get stung?
tim dillon
Yeah, I got stung today.
Stung, stingers.
joe rogan
It's so itchy, but it works.
It doesn't work?
Out of 14 participants who were exposed to malaria, seven of them, including Reed, came down with the disease, meaning the vaccine was only 50% effective.
tim dillon
Oh, that's better than the COVID one.
unidentified
That's fine.
For the other seven, the COVID is fucking terrible.
tim dillon
You know, 50% they will...
Oh, that is successful for these people.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a lot.
tim dillon
50% is a home run.
joe rogan
For the other seven, protection didn't last more than a few months.
Oh, so...
tim dillon
Sounds like you gotta get stung every couple of months.
joe rogan
Every few months.
You need a new booster.
tim dillon
You need to get stung.
joe rogan
Booster stung.
I actually cried when they told me I had malaria because I had developed such a close relationship with the nurses, Reed said.
She wanted to continue through the trials, but her infection made her ineligible.
She was given a drug to clear her case of malaria and sent home.
I think we can obviously do better.
Oh my god, these guys want to keep going.
tim dillon
They want to get stung.
joe rogan
But isn't the real solution to malaria...
They need to...
Like, we had malaria in America one time.
It was a lot of standing water.
tim dillon
You know what the solution is?
Shopping malls.
Condos, buildings, roads.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
It's goodbye jungles.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Stop with this crap.
The real solution is famous Dave's.
Dave and Buster's.
KFC, that's the solution.
joe rogan
Hygiene.
tim dillon
Hygiene.
joe rogan
You know, running water.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
Sewage systems that are functional.
tim dillon
But, you know, you don't get malaria in a mall.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
You don't get it in a hotel.
You know, you get it in a forest or a swamp or whatever.
joe rogan
You get it from mosquitoes, right?
But how do mosquitoes get it?
tim dillon
They get it.
joe rogan
Because they don't all have it, right?
tim dillon
Well, they get it in a, you know, those really hot, swampy areas, a lot of stagnant water.
joe rogan
Right, but how are they getting it?
Like, how are the mosquitoes getting malaria?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
Because, like, it's not all mosquitoes.
unidentified
They carry it?
tim dillon
Some of them just carry it?
joe rogan
Right, so this is like, let's Google that.
Like, what's the origin of malaria?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they're carrying it.
tim dillon
They carry it.
joe rogan
Where do they get it from?
tim dillon
Where do they get it?
joe rogan
Like what?
Like a person or a thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, another person or an animal.
tim dillon
Or a hog.
Maybe one of those hogs.
joe rogan
Oh, those dirty pigs.
tim dillon
They spread a lot of stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of animals that have some funky ass diseases.
tim dillon
So those vaccinations are good when you're going.
I'm sure they're good in a lot of cases, but they're also good if you're going to some of those countries where it's bad.
jamie vernon
There's actually one kind of mosquito that can spread it.
joe rogan
Oh, malaria spread when an infected anophilus mosquito bites a person.
This is the only type of mosquito that can spread malaria.
The mosquito becomes infected by biting an infected person, drawing blood that contains the parasite.
When that mosquito bites another person, that person becomes infected.
My friend Justin got malaria three times.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's the guy for the fight for the forgotten with the well.
joe rogan
He got malaria and then it came back.
He was depleted and it came back.
tim dillon
He's trying to give people water, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah, well stop doing that.
That's the problem.
That's the issue.
No, good for him for doing it, but that's an occupational hazard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he got rocked with a bunch of different things.
Some sort of a parasite at one point in time really fucked him up for months and months.
A lot of people go over there and they get exotic things and they don't even exactly know what you got infected with.
tim dillon
Well, that's the thing.
I've always wanted to visit the Amazon rainforest in Brazil, but then there's some really wacky stuff you could just get and some people don't even know what it is.
Some people come back from that and five years later have an issue.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there was a case real recently of someone getting infected by a parasite or a bacteria that they had not identified before.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like a new one.
tim dillon
Well, that's the thing about those areas.
And that's what makes them so cool is that there's areas in the Brazilian Amazon that are uncontacted tribes and unexplored.
joe rogan
I had Paul Rosely on.
He's the guy that goes down there and he's working to try to preserve these areas and protect them.
And what they do is they wind up hiring loggers to now protect the forest.
Right.
Because they don't have any fucking jobs out there.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
So if they can hire them to do something good, that's what they want to do.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They'd much rather do that.
So they do that now, and they've protected a shitload of the Amazon rainforest.
tim dillon
There's regions of the Amazon that are just impenetrable or crazy.
joe rogan
He was talking about it, and he was talking about his encounters with some of the natives.
It's wild.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
At one point in time, he thinks they were hunting him.
tim dillon
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He peeked around.
He saw someone with face paint on.
With a bow and arrow.
He's like, oh my god.
He realized he was surrounded and he got out of there.
tim dillon
That's so crazy.
Whoa!
joe rogan
They just fucking kill people.
Right.
And they find people encroaching.
Because they've been killed.
I mean, there's been like war going on between people that are like...
tim dillon
But if you go down there, could you become their god?
Could you convince them you were a god?
joe rogan
If you had like sufficient fireworks.
tim dillon
That's the thing.
Like if you went down there and were like, I'm your god...
joe rogan
They would shoot arrows at you still.
They would try it out.
Yeah.
They wouldn't believe you.
They don't know your language.
You don't know theirs.
So good luck learning some Amazonian tribal language.
tim dillon
Yeah.
But if you went down there with some phones and crazy stuff, they might think you were a demon, too.
jamie vernon
You have floodlights.
For Columbus, you use the eclipse, supposedly.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, supposedly.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You told them the eclipse was coming.
They all bowed down.
jamie vernon
That's powerful if you know that shit's coming.
joe rogan
That's a dope move.
They knew shit back then.
tim dillon
It's a killer move.
joe rogan
And they were doing that little sextant in the sky thing.
That's how they fucking knew everything.
I mean, imagine making your way across the ocean, just looking at the stars through this thing.
tim dillon
And then just landing and going, hey, I know something's coming.
And then predicting it, and then having them go, oh, this guy must be...
A god.
He must be plugged in.
joe rogan
And you kind of can't do that anymore.
No.
Because the light from the planet, from all the cities and everything, it's like significant pollution stops you from seeing the stars unless you're like way the fuck out there.
tim dillon
Also, their immune systems have been exposed to very little, so they could die from like nothing, from like a cold, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
That's what killed most of the Native Americans.
90% of the Native Americans who died, died of like smallpox.
Smallpox.
tim dillon
So it wasn't us.
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
That's what got them stuck there.
tim dillon
Didn't we give them blankets of smallpox?
joe rogan
Marine worms got them stuck.
In 1504, Christopher Columbus on his fourth transatlantic voyage had been stranded with his men on the north coast of Jamaica, their last two ships riddled with marine worms.
So marine worms are worms that eat wood.
So, they eat through boats.
So, having said, a small party of the Spanish occupied Hispaniola, a hundred miles to the east paddling canoes hewn from local timber.
Yeah, they awaited rescue, but their food had run out, and the Jamaicans who had been pleased to provision them when they first arrived had tired of the trinkets the Spaniards could offer in exchange.
Luckily, Columbus had astronomical tables with him, which indicated that a lunar eclipse was due on February 29th.
Calling the local chiefs together, Columbus gravely told them that the God of the Christians was all-powerful and very displeased with the Jamaicans' refusal to keep them fed.
And as soon as a sign of his wrath As a sign of his wrath, the moon would be darkened and turn the color of blood that evening.
Many of the natives laughed, although others were not sure.
All were convinced when the eclipse began, as Columbus had told them it would.
But hold on for this.
You tell me they never saw an eclipse before?
Are you telling me they had no idea that that happened?
That seems unlikely.
jamie vernon
To know it was going to happen that night, though, on leap year two.
joe rogan
The fact that he was timing the eclipse with his sand glass re-emerging at the appropriate juncture.
The outcome was, as Columbus had anticipated, convinced of the power of this god, the Jamaicans fell to their knees begging forgiveness.
The stranded Europeans did not want for anything again before their rescue six months later.
tim dillon
That's cool.
joe rogan
It sounds a little like the UFO disclosure talk.
jamie vernon
I'd go if they've seen one, but they probably thought it was a god blocking it out for the night for some reason.
joe rogan
I'm sure he probably did convince some of them that he was really smart.
tim dillon
Yeah, I'm sure.
joe rogan
He should probably be the leader.
He knows when the eclipses are coming.
tim dillon
I've always wanted to see that area, but I'm not going to do it now.
That's always interested me, that type of the Amazon, that area.
joe rogan
Oh, the Amazon's got to be amazing.
tim dillon
It's got to be amazing, right?
joe rogan
It's got to be amazing.
tim dillon
Really cool wildlife down there and beautiful flora and fauna.
It's crazy.
It's like, but I just, you know, there's a lot of, that's where you get a lot of disease-carrying mosquitoes.
unidentified
He said he saw a jaguar walk right by him.
joe rogan
How far away did he say that jaguar was?
tim dillon
How beautiful, probably.
Who said that?
Columbus or Rosalie?
joe rogan
No, Paul Rosalie.
unidentified
Columbus.
Columbus said, I saw a jaguar walk right by me.
jamie vernon
I don't recall.
It was real close.
tim dillon
That's one of the most beautiful animals, you know?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
The sloth, the river dolphin, the bottlenose dolphin, like this crazy...
The anaconda.
joe rogan
The black caimans.
I didn't know they got to be 16 feet long.
tim dillon
The black caimans.
I mean, there's stuff dead.
There's spiders the size of garbage can.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's a wild place, man.
tim dillon
It's a wild place.
joe rogan
And most of it is just completely just dense forest where you can't even barely get to.
unidentified
I know.
tim dillon
But, you know, get some resorts.
Get people to work.
joe rogan
They tried to do that in the Congo.
tim dillon
And what happened?
joe rogan
People tried to let the jungle eat them.
tim dillon
The arrows came in?
joe rogan
The jungle ate them.
tim dillon
The jungle eats you.
joe rogan
It's just too much.
It's too much.
It'll grow around everything.
tim dillon
I still believe in the power of the Four Seasons.
Like if they went in there and just slashed and burned.
You gotta do a burn.
joe rogan
A big one.
tim dillon
You gotta do a big burn.
You gotta burn several acres of the rainforest.
joe rogan
Put a lot of concrete down.
tim dillon
A lot of concrete.
I do think that's the...
joe rogan
Steel water.
tim dillon
We're gonna have to start moving in that direction.
joe rogan
Steel water.
unidentified
Oh yeah!
joe rogan
Make a giant golf course.
Giant golf course.
tim dillon
You want a golf course.
Those Madison Club properties.
He should do it.
He should do it.
joe rogan
I mean, it's anaconda!
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's that?
tim dillon
But people would pay to see that.
jamie vernon
Brazil.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
tim dillon
Now what if it had drinks on it?
With a tray with drinks?
unidentified
It has a tray with drinks and people are taking the drinks on it.
tim dillon
There's money to be made!
joe rogan
Velcro it around its waist.
unidentified
Yeah!
Keep it stable.
tim dillon
There's money to be made!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Look at the size of that thing.
tim dillon
Yeah, they're big.
joe rogan
That thing is enormous.
Rosalie said he got on top of one of them, but he couldn't get his arms around.
He said it was 25 feet long.
tim dillon
Well, it probably just ate, because when they just eat, they...
joe rogan
No, he said the whole body was that big.
tim dillon
Interesting.
But a lot of times, when an anaconda eats, it expands.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he said it was like the whole thing.
It was going through his arms.
tim dillon
It was just massive.
joe rogan
He got on top of it like a crazy person and wrapped his arms around it.
He said it slid through his arms.
He said he couldn't touch his fingers.
tim dillon
Because it was so big.
joe rogan
It was that big.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Well, that's who's behind Lizzo on the tour now.
now because these bitches turned on her.
unidentified
There it is, Lizzo.
joe rogan
Oh, Lizzo.
tim dillon
God bless her.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, that's the business she's in.
tim dillon
People turn.
They turn.
It's life.
joe rogan
Well, it's also she's a part of that outrage business.
tim dillon
She's a part of that.
When you're in the machine, she made her money.
She made her money.
joe rogan
She'll be fine.
She'll be fine.
What's a little banana out of a pussy?
tim dillon
It's a little banana out of a pussy, folks.
joe rogan
So she got a little carried away.
That's how she likes to party.
tim dillon
That's how she gets down.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how she got down.
tim dillon
Could be worse.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, what the fuck?
She gave you a job.
tim dillon
Be grateful.
Be grateful.
joe rogan
As a person, as a human being that cares about people's joints, I would not ever advise a bunch of ladies who had not done any Real, like, rigorous physical activity.
You're gonna get fucking hurt.
You're gonna get, like, knee replacements.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, rip your fucking knees apart.
tim dillon
But it's like, be grateful, be happy, and just enjoy it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but maybe get those girls on...
Some sort of a rotation where they don't have to go on tour every day.
I don't know how many times they were doing it, but if you were a big girl and you had to do that kind of dancing every night, that's a lot of fucking work out of nowhere.
tim dillon
It was probably too much for them.
joe rogan
Imagine if Bert Kreischer offered you a tremendous deal to go on his crazy tour, but you have to do cartwheels every night.
That's part of the thing.
I feel like I would.
tim dillon
I would do cartwheels.
I would have to.
Um, yeah, it would be too much.
I would say, uh, no, thank you.
joe rogan
Wait, but Davis also claims the lawsuit she had once had to soil herself on stage during an excruciating re-audition, fearing the repercussions of excusing herself to go to the bathroom.
tim dillon
Yeah, but that's also, like, that's on you.
joe rogan
Okay.
tim dillon
No one told you.
joe rogan
That's a weird one.
tim dillon
You just shit yourself!
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a weird one.
tim dillon
You just shit yourself!
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's alright!
joe rogan
Also, if you weren't a big girl.
tim dillon
You shit yourself during rehearsal for the fat show.
joe rogan
Is there any truth to the rumor that bigger people shit themselves more often?
tim dillon
I don't shit myself, but I'm...
Ever?
No, I don't remember.
joe rogan
I have.
tim dillon
I'm remembering when I was drunk, when I was really drunk.
I don't think it's a common thing, but I think if I had to do Lizzo's dance routines every night, I would be shitting myself.
joe rogan
It happens.
tim dillon
You'd be shitting yourself and be grateful.
Be grateful you're on this tour, and you're shitting yourself.
joe rogan
You have to take a shit.
You have to tell people, I am so sorry, but I have to use the restroom.
tim dillon
But it would be so funny to me if one of them said, hey, I gotta use the bathroom, and Lizzo just went at them like a grizzly and said, fuck you, keep dancing.
joe rogan
Hold it in.
tim dillon
And they just danced and shit themselves.
joe rogan
Do you ever like about to go on stage and you're wondering if you should take a shit?
tim dillon
I always use the bathroom before I go on stage and I make it a point too because I know that that's a possibility.
joe rogan
But I've had moments where I wasn't sure if I should and then I just dump truck.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like a load of lumber.
tim dillon
There's like before you go on stage there's like anxiety sometimes your stomach a little bit and then that going you know going to the bathroom is...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe that was that girl.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let her take a shit.
Maybe she could perform better.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's a beautiful situation there when you have people that are really overweight dancing and shitting themselves on stage.
That's what progress is.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't think you can blame someone when you shit yourself.
You really can't.
You really can't.
tim dillon
Well, there's lawyers disagreeing with you.
There's a lot of lawyers.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
Because unless they specifically told you, you can't leave to take a shit.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unless they specifically told her that.
tim dillon
No, I think she internalized it and she decided to shit herself, which to me is like, guys, grow up.
joe rogan
Well, on the other hand, though, if they did discourage them from using the bathroom, human beings have to use the bathroom.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
Especially their rehearsing.
Like, let her take a shit in between takes.
tim dillon
Yeah, but also, like, I do respect if Lizzo was like, don't fucking use the bathroom on this tour.
joe rogan
If she was like a hard ass.
tim dillon
I do respect the idea of that of her just going like, all these girls being like, yeah, now we're finally going to get respected.
And Lizzo's like, you ain't shitting on my tour.
unidentified
Okay?
tim dillon
Also, there's something very funny about the idea of Lizzo walking around calling them all fat pigs.
It's just, I'm sorry, but that makes me happy.
joe rogan
Are we sure that's true?
tim dillon
I don't think it's true at all.
I don't know, but it makes me happy.
It makes me happy.
joe rogan
If it's true.
tim dillon
It's hilarious and very fun.
And a judge having to look at all these fat people in a courtroom and go, wait, who's what?
Who's the problem?
joe rogan
Is fat privilege?
Are fat people allowed to call other people fat?
unidentified
Is that okay?
tim dillon
It should be kind of okay, but if she's your boss, obviously it's like a problem.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
tim dillon
But it's just funny to me.
Let's take morality out of it.
There's nothing funnier than that.
Just Lizzo walking around stage calling people fat.
I mean, it's just so funny.
It's an absurd world.
joe rogan
Well, there's a thing that happens to people when they get their own show.
They've never had a show before.
Some of them go loony, right?
Roseanne talks about it real openly.
She went loony.
Brett Butler famously went loony.
You know, it happens.
All of a sudden, you're kind of a dictator.
tim dillon
And then you're like, here's the banana.
joe rogan
Eat it.
Yeah, I've heard quite a few sitcom stars went fucking bonkers when they had their own show.
I'll tell you a story afterwards.
I got a good one.
But it's just, there's these moments where you just decide that the rules don't apply.
You can just...
Fucking scream at everybody.
It's the Ellen thing.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're the one in control of everything.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You could just fire people on a whim.
You know, you want to be feared.
tim dillon
Well, I think it was like part of it was like Lizzo was like these girls were...
they're like her, too.
It's weird.
It's weird to have a bunch of people that are very much like you and that that might be another layer of weirdness, too.
joe rogan
Didn't you ever watch that New Jersey reality show?
What's that called?
tim dillon
Jersey Shore?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Can you watch that?
unidentified
Yeah, I've watched it, of course.
joe rogan
They're all real similar to each other.
unidentified
Yeah, they're a problem, too.
tim dillon
Would you want to go on the Jersey Shore tour?
joe rogan
One of those guys got nabbed for tax evasion, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he's fine.
He got out of it.
joe rogan
He got out of it.
tim dillon
He made a mistake.
People make mistakes.
joe rogan
It is a weird one like a lot of these folks.
tim dillon
You got a hair gel endorsement and you didn't disclose it.
joe rogan
A lot of these folks get wrapped up in like fraud schemes and shit.
tim dillon
A lot of reality star people.
You go from having no money to money and then you go, what the hell do I do with it and do I have to pay all of these taxes?
joe rogan
Didn't those folks on the New Jersey Housewives, didn't the Italian guy got deported?
Yes.
tim dillon
Yeah, because you didn't pay.
joe rogan
That was a tax thing too, right?
Wasn't it?
Yeah.
They don't play.
tim dillon
They don't play around.
The reality people get fucked over.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
Do reality show people end up getting fucked over?
joe rogan
Well, they become famous and they're not rich.
tim dillon
And then they go, oh, I have to pay?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They don't get it.
joe rogan
And then they try to figure out a way to keep the ball rolling.
tim dillon
Well, because they also got famous kind of a scam, right?
Reality TV is kind of a little bit of a scam.
It's not like they worked on a craft, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's kind of a scam.
So they're like, oh, let's apply that to everything in my life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Let's apply that to every single thing ever.
joe rogan
And they got through, right?
They actually made it on television.
Right.
So it becomes this like...
They made the shiny...
They touched the ring.
They were right there.
tim dillon
They were there.
They were close.
joe rogan
And then they got to figure out how to get on it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then maybe the real thing is like start their own.
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come up with their own concept.
tim dillon
It's the reality show economy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there was a bunch of those guys that went from one show to the next.
tim dillon
They did like a ton of- And then every now and then that bitch from the New York Housewives did that skinny girl margarita and made like 20, 30 million bucks.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So every now and then someone will like bank.
They'll like hit it.
joe rogan
And the Beverly Hills lady who owns the restaurant- She was rich forever.
Right.
tim dillon
She was rich forever.
joe rogan
She was already rich.
tim dillon
Already rich.
Those restaurants suck, by the way.
joe rogan
Just watching those ladies turn on each other and like, why is that so interesting to people?
tim dillon
Well, it's interesting because it's voyeurism, right?
joe rogan
It's fascinating.
tim dillon
It's fascinating.
The first season of that Real Housewives of Orange County was actually a real good primer on the mortgage crisis because you saw these people with these multiple houses, multiple cars.
One guy worked at the title company.
One woman was a realtor.
One woman was dating a mortgage guy.
And you saw how Southern California, Irvine, California, where a lot of those companies started, a lot of those housewives lived in that area and were making money In that sector of the economy that was about to collapse.
And then when it collapsed, you saw them go broke.
Like, some of those people went broke.
And, like, that became interesting to people.
Like, watching people ride high and then go low.
Try to, like, even out again.
You know?
joe rogan
When people have to downsize.
tim dillon
People had to downsize.
joe rogan
People like when watching people get humbled.
tim dillon
They like watching people get humbled for sure.
It's fascinating to watch the waves of...
Money is interesting because it does not make you happy.
It can make you happier.
It can alleviate the pressure on you.
But it doesn't fill your soul.
It's not a soulful thing per se.
But it is interesting watching it Affect people like watching wealthy people.
There's no reality.
There's very few reality shows about poor people.
You know?
It's usually about watching rich people.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
Yeah.
How many reality shows are about poor people?
Teen mom?
Cops?
Not a million.
joe rogan
Swamp people?
tim dillon
Yeah, but are they even poor?
Are they poor or are they just swampy?
Because, like, Duck Dynasty guys are rich.
joe rogan
Those guys already were rich.
tim dillon
They're rich.
joe rogan
Because they had duck calls.
tim dillon
They're just a different kind of rich.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They're a different culture, but it's like...
joe rogan
They're country millionaires.
tim dillon
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Hoarders?
tim dillon
Hoarders.
Hoarders is poor.
Hoarders is poor.
joe rogan
McMansions is...
You're doing okay.
What is McMansions?
jamie vernon
There's not a lot of mansions on hoarders, is what I was saying.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
tim dillon
They at least own a house.
joe rogan
No, those are crazy people.
Shane Gill has turned me on to the shit hoarder.
The lady was shitting in buckets and leaving him in our house.
tim dillon
Wouldn't you get really sick from the fumes?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know how she survived.
Her fucking biome must be insane.
tim dillon
My Strange Addiction is fun where they eat things that they shouldn't.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen this one with the shithoarder?
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
It's so insane.
tim dillon
I'll have to watch that.
joe rogan
I would play it for you right now, but we've already played it with Shane.
It's so insane.
This lady was just like buckets of shit, like milk jugs filled with shit.
She sealed them, left them in the corners.
tim dillon
People are odd!
jamie vernon
She wanted to go back at the end.
They got her to get out of the house.
She wanted to go back for one last hurrah.
joe rogan
One last hurrah of eating contaminated food.
tim dillon
Why waste a minute on someone like that?
If someone's like, I'm addicted to eating shit, it's almost like, hey man, today is not the...
joe rogan
Dude, you drive heave if you just watch the film.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's just so funny.
You're debating with her and she's like, why should I leave?
It's my home.
And you're like, well, it is full of shit.
joe rogan
The best part is at the end.
She's like, I'm not the worst one you guys ever covered.
And they're like, oh yeah.
tim dillon
They're like, you're absolutely the worst one.
joe rogan
You have literal shit in your house.
Her mother grew up storing her own shit, too.
tim dillon
Well, it's a family thing, then.
joe rogan
It's a family thing.
jamie vernon
It's just the end of it.
It's not showing all the shit.
I'll just be here to talk.
unidentified
I'm going to go ahead and eat some of the contaminated food and then the party's over.
I have to get it because when somebody goes on intervention, they want to get high one last time.
The party ends for me tomorrow.
tim dillon
I like her.
unidentified
I like her.
Listen, listen.
I've been eating poo for 12 years.
Out of thinking that you've got fecal matter in your food.
It's my last, it's my last place of glory.
Look at me.
This is the end of you pooping in a bucket.
tim dillon
No, it's not.
joe rogan
She's like, yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
tim dillon
I'm gonna watch that.
joe rogan
It's so hard for me to watch that and not dry heave.
tim dillon
I have to force it back.
It's very difficult, but you know, we live in a vibrant and diverse country where a lot of people, like this is my governor of California answer to that, people have a lot of different ways to live.
joe rogan
Do you know how haunted that space of land must be?
Like, they leveled her house.
tim dillon
It's bad.
joe rogan
But who's gonna rebuild?
tim dillon
It's bad.
joe rogan
Who's gonna rebuild?
Shane Gillis.
That's just his favorite episode of Horrors with Joe Rogan.
tim dillon
I gotta watch that.
I haven't seen that one.
joe rogan
Featuring Shanna the Shit Hoarder.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's wild.
tim dillon
That's wild.
So maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe there are more reality issues about poor people than I imagine.
joe rogan
I think they're funny, too.
tim dillon
I'm sure- No, they're great.
joe rogan
The moonshine people, aren't they poor?
jamie vernon
Cops.
joe rogan
Cops.
tim dillon
Cops, I said, of course.
joe rogan
Didn't they stop making cops?
jamie vernon
It's back.
tim dillon
It's back.
joe rogan
Fuck it.
Let's go.
No, they're like, it's back.
It's a moneymaker.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the pandemic, there's a lot of, you know- Cops is great natural humor.
tim dillon
You know, crackheads are naturally funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, and also, here's what's hilarious.
You have to get those people to sign releases.
tim dillon
Yeah, probably give them $5.
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing?
tim dillon
Here's a cigarette, sign.
joe rogan
Like, hey, yeah, I know you're on meth, but we sign right here, I'll give you $5?
tim dillon
There's no way that's hard.
jamie vernon
I have that other show, the live one, where they don't have to sign a waiver.
They get away with some loophole where it's live.
It's a live documentary of the cops, so the people in the background are like, they're just- Come on.
joe rogan
Even the people they arrest?
jamie vernon
I don't- It's all live, so I think there's a loophole with it being live.
unidentified
What?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can edit it?
How am I going to edit it?
unidentified
It's live!
tim dillon
Those are easy people to sign releases.
unidentified
How am I going to edit it?
joe rogan
It's live!
tim dillon
I could get a release, a minute signed over there.
joe rogan
Well, this place is like when they did Crank Yankers.
You could do Crank Yankers in Vegas because it was legal to record someone on the phone.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
Whereas in California, someone has to know.
You have to say, hey, Tim, I'm recording you.
tim dillon
Gotcha.
joe rogan
But when they're doing it in Vegas, you can kind of get away with a lot of shit.
tim dillon
That is interesting.
unidentified
Wow.
tim dillon
I never thought about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
As long as they're doing it from Vegas.
tim dillon
Yeah.
How do you prove that?
I guess his phone lines and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you'd be able to prove that.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guess.
But it's just, I mean, because especially if it's a television show on Comedy Central.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
That was a funny show.
tim dillon
It was a great show.
joe rogan
Comics used to call people up and prank them and they would have like little stuffed animals.
tim dillon
That's a great show.
joe rogan
It was like hand puppets that were talking for you.
tim dillon
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's weird legal loopholes, like where some states allow you to film people and they don't have to know about it, and other ones they don't.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And for sure your Amazon, your Electra and all that shit, or Alexa.
Those bitches are listening.
tim dillon
They're listening.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they've arrested people for murder and got the data on their Alexa.
tim dillon
You better catch them.
Catch them.
joe rogan
Catch them the normal way?
tim dillon
Catch them the normal way.
joe rogan
What if it's your sister and someone stabbed your sister?
jamie vernon
I stumbled across this earlier looking at something else you guys are talking about.
joe rogan
A Roomba.
Oh my God.
Recorded a woman on the toilet.
How did screenshots end up on Facebook?
Oh my god, she took photo?
The Roomba took photos of her pooping?
jamie vernon
Yeah, look, she's on the toilet.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's wild.
tim dillon
But how did it go to Facebook?
jamie vernon
It says it's not supposed to happen.
It got sold to some data company.
unidentified
Zuckerberg.
joe rogan
Bro, that fucking whole data mining thing is so insane that we never thought of this thing as a commodity and it's the most important commodity.
It's literally responsible for some of the biggest corporations that we know of.
tim dillon
People want data.
They want it.
They want to know what you're thinking about.
They want to sell you everything.
joe rogan
They want to sell you everything.
How many times have you been talking and you open up your phone and it shows you an ad for something that you're talking about?
unidentified
Always.
tim dillon
A lot of times it'll happen.
joe rogan
Doesn't that creep you the fuck out?
tim dillon
It'll happen a lot of times.
joe rogan
Doesn't that creep you the fuck out?
jamie vernon
I started to buy the stuff instead of me.
tim dillon
Yeah, why fight it?
joe rogan
It's going to be good shit, bro.
jamie vernon
Why fight that shit?
tim dillon
Why fight it?
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Why fight it?
tim dillon
You know?
El Pollo Loco used to do the keto burrito, and that would always be on my phone because I would always say things about keto.
And then the El Pollo Loco would be like, look at that.
joe rogan
They had a keto burrito?
tim dillon
It's fake, but they called it a keto burrito.
joe rogan
It's not ketogenic?
tim dillon
Well, it's El Pollo Loco.
I'm taking your word for it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'd have to have a low-carb burrito wrap, which they do make.
Yeah, they do.
tim dillon
I'm taking their word for it.
joe rogan
Just never taste right.
tim dillon
I'm taking their word for it.
I'll put a loco.
joe rogan
You know what it is?
It's a thing you were talking about when you're eating sugar, and you know you're not supposed to eat it.
unidentified
It's bad.
joe rogan
You have shame.
There's a thing about a real quesadilla with a flour tortilla.
tim dillon
During this movie, I did a small role in this movie, and everybody had to smoke fake cigarettes because of these dumb unions that are now on strike, solidarity.
But they were like, everyone in the movie, it was like, we had to smoke, and we had to smoke these herb cigarettes, and they all sucked.
joe rogan
Did they hurt your throat?
tim dillon
Except the star who was allowed to smoke the real cigarettes.
joe rogan
What?
Oh, yeah.
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, I know that movie.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You should go on strike for that.
tim dillon
The herb cigarettes, they hurt your throat and they suck.
joe rogan
Especially you really like them cigarettes.
tim dillon
Well, it's like, I don't like to, you know, I like an excuse to smoke.
So it's like, oh, it's my job.
joe rogan
Right, you have to.
tim dillon
If I'm like, if I have to do this today because of my job.
But then, so I was really excited because I hadn't smoked in a while.
The guy goes, oh, here's the herb cigarettes.
I go, what the fuck?
This sucks.
joe rogan
You didn't put your foot down?
tim dillon
No, I just did it.
I just did it.
But you'll see.
I don't know if I'm smoking in the scene, but I was just like, and then I just put it in the ash.
joe rogan
Did it burn your throat?
tim dillon
It sucks.
It's just not the real deal.
joe rogan
Right.
No buzz.
tim dillon
No buzz.
No one would get addicted to them.
Nobody would ever get addicted to herb cigarettes.
Nobody would die from an herb cigarette.
joe rogan
Just the gross feeling of smoking your mouth.
tim dillon
The things you get addicted to are the good things, and they're the bad things.
But there's a reason you get addicted to them because they are...
joe rogan
They give you something.
tim dillon
They give you something.
joe rogan
Give you a little juice.
tim dillon
They give you a little juice.
You know, when people end up in like the depths of a fentanyl, you see these people walking around like San Francisco or downtown LA, whatever it is, and go, how the fuck do you end up that bad?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
But it's the power of that drug.
The power of that drug makes you go, yeah, I live on the street.
Because they'll offer people rooms and then they go, no, I'm good.
I'm good.
I'll just turn tricks on the street.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
And you go, what is it?
That drug is so good and it affects them in such a way that living without that feeling is unimaginable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Even, I mean, they just become a drug at the end.
They're not even a human being.
It's really sad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
But you think about it, you're like, God.
And the rap at El Pollo Loco is not that.
The keto rap is not that.
But the power of drugs, whether it's sugar or booze or whatever it is, people throw their marriage and their life away because of alcohol, damaged relationships with their families.
It's amazing how powerful all that stuff is.
joe rogan
Yeah, and gambling.
We've been talking a lot about gambling on the show.
Amazing how that gets people.
tim dillon
But that one's good because you could win.
It's true.
You could win.
I mean, you could win.
joe rogan
You might win.
tim dillon
You might win.
But I stay far away from that because I can feel myself.
If I play a few hands in Vegas or whatever, I can feel myself.
Oh, this is...
You could get into that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
And they say that's the worst one, ironically, because there's no physical symptoms of withdrawal.
And you don't have any physicality associated with it, so you could just blow everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
tim dillon
Have you ever had a real gambling addict on?
joe rogan
Oh, have we...
jamie vernon
Well, David Cho was definitely one of his vices.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a real gambling vice.
Not an addict, in the sense that guys who just lose everything all the time.
I know guys who are pool players, who are some of the best pool players in the world, and they will play and win a tournament and win a check for like $10,000 and then gamble it all on the flip of a coin.
tim dillon
That's amazing.
joe rogan
I've seen that happen.
There's one guy who's famous for it.
And these guys just are always in action.
If they're not on the poker table, they're playing roulette.
If they're not playing roulette, they're gambling at pool.
If they're not gambling at pool, they're gambling at poker.
They're fucking gamblers.
They just gamble.
They want that juice all day long.
And money is just fun coupons.
tim dillon
It's how they live.
That's how they get their excitement.
joe rogan
There's a fucking great book about this guy from New Jersey.
His name is Kid Delicious.
And they wrote this book called Running the Table, I believe it is.
The guy's a really good author.
I think he wrote for Sports Illustrated.
John Wertheim, I believe it is.
Is that correct?
Am I saying his name right?
So anyway, it's about this guy who is this, like, really depressed, overweight pool player who happens to be one of the best pool players in the world.
And he's only happy, like, when he's in action.
And he travels around the country, and he documents him and his friend, this guy Bristol Bob from Connecticut, and they travel around the country playing these, like, high-stakes pool matches where he's worried about getting killed.
He's worried about, you know, getting out of the place.
He's worried about getting robbed.
Wild shit.
But this guy was only happy when he was in action.
He was only happy when he was gambling.
He was only happy.
tim dillon
That's amazing.
joe rogan
I mean, when he would win, he'd be on a fucking high.
And when he would lose, he would want to jump in front of a train.
He was only happy when he was gambling.
tim dillon
It's a binary existence, very similar to drugs.
It's only being happy when you are flying high, and then when you're not, you're being crushed, right?
I mean, that's a lot of, you know, there's comics, and it's easy to fall into that.
joe rogan
That's what happened to a lot of people when they weren't getting their juice during the pandemic.
tim dillon
They went nuts.
joe rogan
They were not going on stage.
Going on stage for a lot of comics is like therapy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's this brief moment of extreme happiness that you get.
This, like, 15 minutes of everybody having so much fun.
tim dillon
Yeah.
It's a real, you know, it's a challenge, I think, to not embrace, to not be manic.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
To not totally be manic.
And I think, you know, all these things are drugs, right?
Whether it's fame or money or anything that's associated with any type of performance.
Love.
Love.
People tend to get addicted to these things and they kind of...
They'll take something and they'll make it into something else.
They'll take a reaction from an audience and turn that into love.
When it's not love, per se.
You're doing a good job, but that's not love.
And I think people turn that into, okay, that's the love.
And that gets scary, and that's where people go off the rails.
joe rogan
It's positive energy, positive results, positive things.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's like people that live in Los Angeles for long enough, they tend to think their agents and managers care about them, like them, love them.
Give a shit, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's good to be dumped a few times.
tim dillon
The reality of the situation is...
You become a product.
They see you as a product.
They're effective at their job because they see you as a product.
They can't see you as a human being.
They might see a little bit of you as a human being, but their interactions with you are, can they sell you?
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
And, you know, sometimes people get pushed into doing weird shit.
They end up, like, you know, there's people that, like, you know, will bring their clients drugs and everything, just to keep them on that fucking...
joe rogan
100%.
tim dillon
On that hamster wheel, man, and it's unfortunate.
joe rogan
Listen, these relationships, they always bring you booze.
If you need booze...
tim dillon
They'll bring you anything.
joe rogan
If you need booze, that's in my fucking rider.
I got a bottle of fucking...
Yeah, they just they want you to print money and they don't you know, that's the whole thing so yeah, but if you request it So the thing is it's like they are feeding off of whatever look for sure Are you are you really gonna like go to Bert Kreischer and say hey no more drinking during shows?
tim dillon
Shut the fuck up, right?
joe rogan
Like come on party keeps rolling.
tim dillon
Yeah party.
joe rogan
You guys want to make money or not?
Check his blood pressure.
Let's go right right show must go on get him the tequila Let's go Bert.
Yeah And if you're a guy like Mitch Hedberg, somebody was probably getting him smack.
Somebody knew that he had a real problem.
He was getting gangrene from shooting into the same area.
It got spooky, and he did not want to kick it.
He had no interest in kicking it, and he was fucking brilliant.
That guy was brilliant.
And it's such a fucking weird, unique style.
tim dillon
So comedy is a weird thing to do.
And it attracts people from all manners of life.
But there's a lot of people that...
People are very sensitive.
They're sensitive to see different things in the world that they can make fun of.
They notice things a lot.
They have great observational...
And a lot of those people, very sensitive people that are taking everything in, sometimes drugs and alcohol, it goes along with that because it's a way to dull yourself from the pain of having these realizations or not being healthy enough to deal with the world as it is.
And music and art and comedy, they always have a lot of people that have...
Issues.
Being somebody who was using drugs and drinking, I haven't for 12 or 13 years, actually the things that make you a drug addict actually make you a good comedian too because the compulsion to do drugs is similar to the compulsion to keep doing comedy or to keep doing something when it's not working and getting it to work eventually.
And a lot of that type of, like, behavior that in a normal person's life is like, what are you doing on Tuesday night?
You're going to tell jokes?
Nobody cares.
Nobody's paying you.
You go, no, no, no, but they will in six years.
They go, what?
It's crazy to normal people.
But if you come from being a drug addict, where you're like, yeah, I used to go and do drugs.
And I would drive to get drugs.
And, you know, I would satiate myself like that.
It makes sense.
To do something over and over and over again.
And that inhibits a lot of normal people from being comedians or whatever they want to be.
Because when I started a podcast, no one cared.
I just keep fucking doing it.
And I was doing it myself.
And it was like, you're talking to no one.
And then there's a small audience that got bigger and bigger and bigger.
But what made me keep doing it is the same part of my brain that made me keep doing drugs.
It was the same type of compulsive thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah, that's your superpower.
Yeah, your ability to just bore down and keep doing something over and over and over again until you get better at it.
tim dillon
That's a lot of comics, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
A giant percentage of us.
tim dillon
A lot of comics.
joe rogan
And that's why a lot of comics get addicted to other things.
For sure.
A lot of comics get addicted to drugs and alcohol and a lot of comics get addicted to activities.
I'm certainly guilty of that.
Right.
Specifically, games get very, very, very addicted to games.
I think that there's something that happens to us where that pathway could be taken over by a positive thing.
tim dillon
Or a negative thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You could just be fully addicted to creating new material.
Right.
Just addicted.
I fucking can't wait to get upstage with this new stuff.
I'm fucking juiced up.
Or it can be, I can't wait to go bet my whole life savings.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Which is...
Right.
They fucking do it, man.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I was watching Dana White.
I told this story too many times, but I was watching Dana White.
He was down $600,000 playing blackjack.
And I'm like, what?
This is insanity.
You wind up winning.
You wind up being up like $600,000, which is even more insane.
But like, what the fuck, man?
When you're watching people get...
And he's super rich.
So for him to get his juices flowing, it's got to be crazy money.
tim dillon
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
tim dillon
That is crazy.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
That's a different level of that shit.
tim dillon
$1,600K would not be good.
joe rogan
And it's a different level when you have the financial means to do it.
To go hard all the time.
To do it, for sure.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Woo!
Unhealthy.
joe rogan
Super crazy.
unidentified
Unhealthy.
joe rogan
Well, I guess he likes it.
Here's the thing.
Some people like sports.
tim dillon
People do what they like.
When you look at life like that, it's kind of one of those things people say that sounds very, very simplistic, but then actually when you actually zoom out, people do what they like.
joe rogan
He seems to be pulling it off.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he has for a long time.
For people to say, you're going to lose everything.
He hasn't.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
So you're wrong.
tim dillon
Some people have a line.
AA and all these things are not for everyone, right?
Not everyone's an alcoholic.
Some people are problem drinkers, meaning if they stop drinking, they'll be okay, right?
Some people are hard drinkers.
Some people can recreationally use drugs.
There's all different types of people.
I'm not one of those people I can't recreationally use cocaine.
Some people can.
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
So it's like, I couldn't recreationally do comedy.
I had to do it to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Some people can.
Some people are able to give themselves that type of restriction.
joe rogan
Have you ever been to a Gamblers Anonymous meeting?
tim dillon
Never Gamblers Anonymous, but I know there's a lot of cross-pollination.
So I've been to AA where people are also gamblers.
joe rogan
Mm.
Multiple addictions.
tim dillon
Multiple addictions.
joe rogan
And so are they proclaiming their sobriety off of gambling and stuff?
tim dillon
Yeah.
You know, we're people that were just drinking to fucking like, you know, all the pain of having that addiction as well.
joe rogan
There's a lot of guys who got into comedy from AA in Boston.
They're really funny guys, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they would go on stage and tell these stories about being shit-faced and the crazy things that happened.
Of course.
And some of them were really funny.
tim dillon
Of course.
joe rogan
And quite a few of those guys wound up doing stand-up from learning how to do stand-up in AA meetings.
tim dillon
Yeah.
For sure.
joe rogan
Because they would just tell these stories.
Well, it's also takes away your inhibitions, right?
Yeah.
tim dillon
So, you know, if you've been a drunk and someone who's, like, lived, you know, that life, when you get into comedy, you can kind of, like...
Go out there and just go, yeah, and then put it all on the table and go, I'm a fuck up.
joe rogan
And almost all of them smoked cigarettes and drank coffee.
Like, all day.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's a big, well, because those are drugs, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, all day.
Smoked cigarettes and drank coffee.
tim dillon
Those are drugs, too.
Yeah, I mean, it's very hard to explain to someone who's not wired that way.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
How it works to be wired that way.
It's very difficult.
If someone isn't wired that way at all, and they have no addictive tendencies, and they don't do anything really passionately, and they have lots of different hobbies.
I have friends who are very happy, great people.
They have lots of different hobbies.
None of them take them over.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
None of them care that much about any one or two of them, you know?
They're just not wired that way.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim dillon
They go out to dinner.
They have two glasses of wine.
They don't finish the second one.
I go, how great.
They go, yeah, who cares?
I like drinking with food.
I like wine with food.
They go, they can have one cigarette occasionally.
They're just wired a different way.
Maybe they have more discipline, but also maybe they're just wired a different way because those are the same people who aren't trying to make millions of dollars.
They're fine.
I'm not saying they should, but like then I know people who they want to make a lot of money.
They are addicted to a lot of different things.
They switch to go from one addiction to another.
It's a problem.
It's very hard staying faithful to the wife or whatever.
There's a lot of people that deal with a lot of things.
People just wire differently.
And you can wire yourself in a positive way and use those addictive tendencies in a positive way too.
joe rogan
For sure.
I've seen people that literally can't drink.
They drink, they have one drink, and then all of a sudden they have gerbilize, and they're not there anymore.
There's a few people that I've met in my life that I've seen them drunk, and they have a couple of drinks, and then something shuts off, and they're not there anymore.
Tim's not there.
Who's this person?
Who's this fucking half robot just wandering around?
tim dillon
Well, it just became, for me, it was all I care about.
So if I was drinking, I'd be like, I am drinking.
Drinking is the thing that I want to do.
Partying and drinking.
So everything else in your life that you're supposed to care about disappears.
joe rogan
And some of it had to be fun.
tim dillon
Some of it, oh, it's a lot of fun.
Listen, I don't even regret it.
And when people say, you don't regret it, I go, not really, because there's a lot of fun.
But what happens is, you then look around and all your friends are drunks.
So you start to eventually, before you know it or not, every friend of yours is a drunk or has a problem with something.
And that's why you all relate to each other because nobody's calling the other person out and being a mess.
And then all your friends that are more successful tend to move away from you.
And you don't realize this is happening.
It's happening...
But you eventually, like, you take your head up and you're so fogged out by everything that you're not...
Then you, like, look at the landscape of your life and go, oh, all the successful people got out of here.
And then all the people that are left are fellow addicts.
And then you've got to cut the cord and move on, not only from your addiction, but in many cases from your social circle.
joe rogan
Was that the harder part?
tim dillon
That is a very hard part.
It's a hard part because you have to cut...
Certain people, places, and things out of your life.
You don't really have a choice.
joe rogan
And some of them you like.
tim dillon
You like the local bar.
You like your friends.
It's fun.
It's comfortable.
Going to the bar, being a drunk, being a funny drunk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
But then going, well, maybe I could be funny in another way and make money at it or whatever.
That's a whole...
joe rogan
But did you try to go to the bar sober?
Did you try to hang out there?
tim dillon
I never did.
If I showed you the bar I hung out, you would go, no, you don't do this sober.
No, you don't do it sober because, like, you know, it's not...
Fun sober.
It's fun drunk.
My mother used to say, she never drank, and she was like, oh, I used to go to bar sober, it was fun, and I'm like, right, but you're also a schizophrenic.
There's something weirder about the person in the bar sober having a lot of fun.
That's weirder.
joe rogan
That is weird.
tim dillon
The person who's like, ah, I'm sober, and they're drinking Diet Coke or water, they're more of a freak.
Just don't go.
You don't have to go.
There's other things.
This is part of our life where it's like, no, you can still do it.
You can still go to the bar.
You can still have all your friends.
You can't.
You can't.
They're not interesting when you're not drunk.
The bar's disgusting.
It smells like shit.
It's not cool.
If you're drunk, there's nothing better than hanging out.
Like I had this bar called Lisa's Lounge.
The owner named it after his daughter who was killed in a drunk driving accident.
Fact.
And her face was on the wall of the bar and people would toast her and go, Lisa, and then drink.
It was crazy.
But it was fun and it made sense when you were drunk.
Oh, this girl died in a car accident with a drunk driver and there's a bar named after her and we're all here.
Doing shots, toasting this dead person on a wall.
This makes a lot of sense.
This is fun.
Then you sober up and go, motherfucker.
What?
Like, none of it makes sense anymore.
joe rogan
Right.
How many people left that bar drunk driving?
tim dillon
Tons.
joe rogan
All?
tim dillon
A lot?
So it's like...
When you were hanging out in these places, when you're a real alcoholic, it's not trendy, fun, cool, hip bars.
It starts there, but it ends just proximity, right?
So if you're around a fucking bar, you're going to go to that bar, and that was a bar up the block from my house.
I could walk to it.
joe rogan
You remember Barfly?
tim dillon
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's like the most rosy depiction of bar culture.
tim dillon
Yeah, but it's the depiction that if you were drunk, it makes sense.
Everyone is your friend at the bar.
Everybody cares about you.
The bartender used to lend me your car if I needed to go get cigarettes.
I was hammered.
She goes, take my car.
I don't care.
Because she was drunk.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
She doesn't care.
The brakes probably didn't work anyway.
tim dillon
She doesn't care.
I remember one guy, I was sitting on a stool next to one guy once.
His wife brought his 14-year-old daughter in and she's like, look at your father.
He refuses to get off this bar.
He's a piece of shit.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tim dillon
And they both laughed.
And I was just sitting next to the guy and it was kind of awkward.
And he's like, you know, he goes, she's a real bitch, man.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tim dillon
I'm like, yeah, she seems pretty selfish.
unidentified
I'm like, you know, you deserve a couple of, you know, you come out, you have a couple of laughs with your friends.
tim dillon
But, like, this is a problem, right?
Like, there was this woman, Marge, who used to come and barge, like, shit herself.
She used to call everyone faggots.
joe rogan
She would shit herself?
tim dillon
She would, like, shit herself.
And they kicked her out once.
They're like, Marge, you're like, shit yourself.
She's like, you're all faggots!
You're a faggot!
So it's like these people are, you know, people are not well.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
They're not doing well there, but it's a great place to be for a minute in your life, to understand.
Like, if I was a person who could never understand how people get so fucked up, Because the next step after that bar is a fucking tent.
It's not that many steps.
You lose your apartment, you lose your thing.
So to understand how it is, didn't Bill Hicks have that great line, he's like, anyone can be, just takes the right bar, the right friends, the right girl, whatever it was.
It was a great Bill Hicks line.
It was about being homeless.
He's like, anyone can be homeless, takes this, this, this.
But to understand what it's like when you surrender, Your thoughtful, logical capacity in your brain to a fucking glass of alcohol and keep doing it?
joe rogan
Keep doing it.
tim dillon
I was in my early 20s just drinking these fucking bottles of vodka, right?
Gin and vodka, just clear alcohol over and over again, and then doing shots.
People start buying shots.
Jack Daniels and Gentleman's Jack and Makers and whatever.
And just drinking all the time, three or four days a week and then five days a week.
And then you're just really...
And then people think it's funny and then they start...
I tried to tell my dad about it.
I was trying to be like, I think I have a problem.
And I was telling him the bar hung out.
And instead of saying, oh, you should go to rehab, my dad's like, you know, a dirtbag bar has played a role in every Dylan's life.
And he's like, you know, then he started telling me about a bar he hung out in and a bar that my uncle hung out in.
And it was just like a lot of people, especially when you're Irish, it's just like, yeah, that's just part of it, son.
You just go to a place four nights a week and you drink all your paycheck.
That's just part of what we do.
And it gets dark really quickly.
And I think I sort it up at 25. But, you know, from 12 or 13, when you just start smoking weed and doing all that stuff till you get to 25, it's like you see these people, all these different stages of addiction.
Some people in the beginning, some people in the middle.
Some people at the end.
That woman, Marjorie, is the end.
She's like an old drunk, an old woman, who her whole system didn't work anymore.
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When she would just go, you're a fat ass, you're a fat ass, you're a fat ass, you're a fat ass.
tim dillon
Just shitting herself.
Shooting herself, pissing herself, just getting sloppy, and 4.30 her daughter would have to come in and take her off the stool.
This is what happens.
There's no good that comes out of...
There's a couple that used to hang out.
This guy owned the glass.
His wife would spit a pill into his drink that would just make him go to sleep so she could get him out of the bar.
She would just put a pill and she would drug him.
He wouldn't even know.
Then she would just drag him out of the bar because he was so fucked up.
This guy that owned a glass...
Oh my god.
A glass shop.
So it's really dark, and when you're in your early 20s, some of it's funny and goofy.
And you're like, it's fucking nuts that I'm hanging out here.
But then you start making fun of it, then you become it.
You become the thing you're making fun of.
You start going, you're ironically like, look at this fucking crazy...
And then you're like, oh, I'm one of the people now sitting on this bar stool.
It's not funny anymore.
It's not ironic.
I'm coming here to get drunk all the time.
joe rogan
And it's your social circle.
tim dillon
It becomes your social circle.
All these crazy people that live in the area and they're all fucking nuts and they all go to the bar.
And if you want coke, it's there.
And if you want weed, it's there.
And people, you know, it's like that's the type of bar it was.
You could just...
I still drive people by and they're like, I can't believe you hung out there.
And I'm like, yeah, was it fucking alcoholic?
I just had a problem.
They're like, you really hung out there.
People just don't understand alcoholism.
They're like, didn't you want to go to a club that was fun?
I'm like, no, no, no, I was a degenerate alcoholic.
I just wanted to be drunk.
I didn't care where I was.
It didn't matter.
I could walk to that bar.
And it was fun.
It was a dark place, and the people were fun.
joe rogan
It's still around?
tim dillon
Oh, it's still around.
It'll always be.
Here's the thing.
joe rogan
What's in the name?
tim dillon
Yeah, Lisa's Lounge.
There it is.
There it is.
joe rogan
That's it.
tim dillon
There it is.
Doesn't that look nice?
joe rogan
I forgot you already said the name.
tim dillon
That looks nice, huh?
joe rogan
That looks creepy.
tim dillon
It's creepy.
joe rogan
That someone lives above it?
tim dillon
Two people got shot outside.
They call it the double homicide.
Yeah, some guy lives above it.
The owner lived above it.
You know what he said to me once?
Where's the inside?
Let's see if you can find the inside.
I don't know if that's the...
There it is.
Lisa's Lounge added a new photo.
There you go.
Yeah, there it is, there it is.
And by the way, that's Boston, that's Long Island, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
If you went to a place...
joe rogan
Click on that one, Jamie, where your cursor is?
tim dillon
Yeah.
That's a different one, but it's a similar game.
It's like, you know, it's one of those things where...
A fan of mine had a Lisa's Lounge shirt made or something.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
tim dillon
But it's like, yeah, that's the type of bar where you realize you're in real trouble when you're hanging out there.
But it's also really fun because no one cares about anything.
So those environments where you can go in and go, got fired, and everybody's like...
jamie vernon
The four photos on Yelp are pretty fun.
tim dillon
I mean, that's...
Yeah, I mean, it's just what it is, man.
It's like...
joe rogan
Pool halls are like that.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
joe rogan
Similar in that way.
Everyone's not drunk, but there's a very similar thing when you walk in.
I got fired today.
Hey, what do you do?
Everybody was kind of like a misfit.
They were all misfits and weirdos.
tim dillon
And thank God I found comedy.
Thank God I found a way out because that stuff eats your life, right?
So like...
That will eat you if you don't get out of it.
joe rogan
We're very happy that you found comedy, Tim Tillman.
tim dillon
Well, thank you.
joe rogan
Are you coming to the club tonight?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
Beautiful.
tim dillon
You're doing a Joe Rogan and Friends?
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
tim dillon
I'll go.
joe rogan
8 o'clock?
7 and 10. Sorry.
tim dillon
7 and 10. Can I do 10?
joe rogan
You can do whatever you want.
I'm going to do 10. Do 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll tell you why that's a good one later.
tim dillon
Yeah.
The pool guy at my house, there's a leak, I think, we think.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
tim dillon
It's fucking hot.
joe rogan
We'll see.
Oh, no.
See Tim live.
Yes, please.
TimDillonComedy.com.
tim dillon
Yes, the American royalty tour is on sale.
And we're in Philly.
We're in Charlotte, North Carolina.
We're everywhere.
TimDillonComedy.com.
Go and grab tickets.
joe rogan
One of the best comics working in the country.
tim dillon
Well, thank you very much.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, brother.
joe rogan
You're the best ranter in the game, too.
tim dillon
Thank you so much for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
tim dillon
Appreciate it, brother.
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Appreciate you.
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