Aug. 1, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| What's happening, baby? | ||
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How you doing, Joe? | |
| Good to see you, brother. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| And we're drinking Bud Light, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Sorry, guys. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with it. | ||
| Mm-mm. | ||
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People are so... | |
| Cheers, sir. | ||
| Cheers, brother. | ||
| People are so silly. | ||
| We were just talking about how silly it is. | ||
| One person made a really stupid decision. | ||
| Now, everybody's decided that Bud Light is the enemy. | ||
| But that's like this thing that people do in America, where they just decide, now I hate these people. | ||
| These people are the enemy. | ||
| And it's over. | ||
| Yeah, and it's over. | ||
| The reason... | ||
| I've been drinking Bud Light and Bud Wise for my entire adult life. | ||
| And then on Twitter, I defended my sister's spouse. | ||
| And people were pissed. | ||
| And I was like, I didn't mean to do this. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And Travis Tritt came after me. | ||
| And I was like, he didn't come after me. | ||
| Travis Tritt is so respectable. | ||
| And he's a good guy. | ||
| And I met him at the Two Step Inn, where you were. | ||
| And it was cool to get to talk to him about it and see two different views. | ||
| And it was cool, sitting in the room with him and hearing it. | ||
| Well, you know, people, just the culture war in this country is so goofy. | ||
| It's so overblown. | ||
| And a lot of it is people just not talking to each other. | ||
| It's people talking through social media and talking through narratives. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| It freaks me out. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| It freaks me out. | ||
| And being so public, you too, as well, it's so scary. | ||
| I feel like it keeps people from being who they actually are. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Which is terrifying, because every time I get anywhere, I'm like, shit, man, I can't... | ||
| Say or do this, and then when you do, it's fucking, it's crazy. | ||
| It's psychotic. | ||
| There's a lot of self-censoring, but I think it's important to speak your mind. | ||
| I think it's getting better. | ||
| Yeah, it's just more people have to do it, and then more people, you know, people are worried about the repercussions, but you have to understand that when you're a person like yourself or a person like me, you're communicating to millions of people, and so you're going to have a certain percentage of them that are upset at everything you say. | ||
| Whether you say you like to eat meat, or whether you say you think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a good guy, or whether you think that, you know, whatever the fuck you think. | ||
| And you only have one, you only have one life, man. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| I'm not sure about that. | ||
| I'm not sure about that. | ||
| Ever have a feeling you've been here before? | ||
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No. | |
| I saw your podcast like two years ago about the infinity thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I kept telling people about it. | ||
| Like in Oklahoma and stuff. | ||
| I'm like, what the? | ||
| Isn't it weird that that freaks people out? | ||
| Like it freaks people out. | ||
| Like I love life. | ||
| I love my family. | ||
| I love my friends. | ||
| I love my job. | ||
| I love existing. | ||
| I enjoy it very much. | ||
| But if I had to do this over and over again forever for infinity, it's a weird feeling. | ||
| It freaks people out. | ||
| Have you seen that Black Mirror episode? | ||
| No. | ||
| Not to be that guy. | ||
| No, no, I've seen a bunch of them. | ||
| There's a Black Mirror episode where they're in a cabin, and this guy's in prison for infinity, and he's talking to this guy over and over and over again. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And there's the new one. | ||
| The new season came out, and same thing. | ||
| They're in space, and they're coming down. | ||
| I'm not going to ruin it. | ||
| No, no worries. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's an amazing show. | ||
| It freaks you out. | ||
| It's my favorite show. | ||
| It's a great show. | ||
| My wife won't watch it with me. | ||
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Really? | |
| No. | ||
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Really? | |
| She gets freaked out by it. | ||
| Yeah, she doesn't like things that could be real. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| A lot of people, when I bring it up, they're like, I don't know. | ||
| Did you ever see Heavy Metal? | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| That's the one where the robots are chasing this lady? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The dogs. | ||
| I didn't like that. | ||
| I stopped watching it. | ||
| That one freaked me out too much. | ||
| I was like, no way. | ||
| That's so close to real. | ||
| Well, the one about the murdering, too. | ||
| There's a one where this chick murders. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And she gets in this white lie of trying to hide from it. | ||
| She's hiding it from her kids and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's just, it's so close to real. | ||
| It's so close to real. | ||
| There was a World Economic Forum video that they just put out about people going to work and wearing earbuds. | ||
| Have you seen it, Jamie? | ||
| Going to work and wearing earbuds that monitor your brainwaves. | ||
| And the brainwaves are going to tell whether or not you're being productive or distracted. | ||
| And in this video, this woman is kind of fantasizing about a guy she works with and then catches herself doing it. | ||
| And then some guy gets busted for like... | ||
| Is this a show? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It's just a video explaining how in the future... | ||
| See if you can find it. | ||
| I'm seeing the people talking about it. | ||
| Dude, you saying this reminds me of yesterday. | ||
| I was in Walmart and I was walking around and I was looking for something to buy. | ||
| And one of the girls I asked the question to, she had an AirBud in? | ||
| Or an AirPod in? | ||
| And I was like, why would you do that? | ||
| You're like walking around work and people are asking you for help and stuff. | ||
| And she's just walking around like listening to... | ||
| She's like talking to people with... | ||
| And listening to this music. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Kids do that today. | ||
| My kids do that. | ||
| They have one ear open. | ||
| I was kind of... | ||
| I didn't mean to be an ass, but I was like... | ||
| I was talking to the guy at the... | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Yeah, check this video out. | ||
| This is bonkers, dude. | ||
| This is really... | ||
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Oh, it's like one of those training videos. | |
| Yeah, and she's wearing these earbuds. | ||
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This is not the one I saw. | |
| Okay. | ||
| That's scarier than a Black Mirror episode. | ||
| The other one's more scary because it talks about self-censoring at work and monitoring your thoughts at work. | ||
| I can see it. | ||
| God, I sent it to somebody. | ||
| I can see it. | ||
| What the fuck did I send it to? | ||
| I mean, this video on TikTok seems like... | ||
| I just saw the brainwave thing you just said. | ||
| Like that? | ||
| That's the same video. | ||
| Yep, this is it. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Oh, it's just a little later in there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so I had only seen part of it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Keep it rolling. | ||
| Oh, you got two going. | ||
| Oh my god, this is a nightmare. | ||
| This is Black Mirror. | ||
| This is what I hear at night. | ||
| Oh, this is fine. | ||
| Let this play. | ||
| No, it's before this. | ||
| It's before this where she's fantasizing about this guy. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| That's the guy. | ||
| How do you smoke pot and watch stuff like that? | ||
| I love it. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Back up. | ||
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But you can't help fantasizing. | |
| Would you take a quick look at my brain data? | ||
| Anything to worry about? | ||
| The doctor. | ||
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Your mind starts to wander to the new colleague on your team. | |
| No way. | ||
| Come on. | ||
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Given the policy against intra-office romance. | |
| But you can't help fantasize and kiss someone. | ||
| But then you start to worry that your boss will notice your amorous feelings when she checks your brain activity. | ||
| What? | ||
| Imagine all the shitty things you've thought of at work and your boss knowing. | ||
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Congratulations on your brain metrics. | |
| So you get bonuses for thinking a certain way. | ||
| When you arrive at work, the cloud has fallen over the office. | ||
| Along with emails, text messages, and GPS location data, the government has subpoenaed employees brainwave data from the past year. | ||
| They have compelling evidence that one of your co-workers has committed massive wire fraud. | ||
| Now, they're looking for his co-conspirators. | ||
| You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your co-worker and the people he has been working with. | ||
| While you know you're innocent of any crime, you've been secretly working with him on a new startup venture. | ||
| Shaking, you remove your earbuds. | ||
| You know what's crazy about that? | ||
| You know what's crazy about that? | ||
| I feel like the world right now with all of our phones is the same way. | ||
| Because your phone knows everything about you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people can do that. | ||
| But it's not the same, but it's like... | ||
| It's getting there. | ||
| It feels like it. | ||
| I mean, the idea of being able to collect data on everywhere you walk... | ||
| I remember when I was... | ||
| I guess it was like... | ||
| I want to say it was like 99, 2000 was the first GPS thing that I had. | ||
| And you would load it, I think with CDs or DVRs. | ||
| I remember when Garmin's came out and my grandpa was going crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He would put it on the dash of his truck and he's like, we're going to Texas and we know where we're going. | ||
| Yeah, you had a map with you all the time. | ||
| But the one that I had in the early days, I only had California because that's all the data could fit. | ||
| And the California data was on like a CD-ROM or a DVD. I can't remember which one it was, but you had to load it, I remember. | ||
| And it was kind of clunky, but I was like, this is wild. | ||
| This is like very early on with that kind of electronics. | ||
| Thinking about it now, like, what's freaked me out the most in the last year of my life has been friends of mine and people that I've met and things. | ||
| I got a flip phone like six months ago. | ||
| I was like, man, I called you on it. | ||
| When I first started talking to you, I was on my flip phone. | ||
| Because I was talking to a friend of mine and it was like, they were like, well, how are you going to track, how are you going to know where your friends are at? | ||
| Like with the tracking on iPhones and stuff like that. | ||
| You can see your friends. | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean? | ||
| I don't think we're supposed to know where we're all at. | ||
| And it's scary as shit. | ||
| Why do I want you to know that I'm at my house? | ||
| Even your best friends in the entire world. | ||
| Our parents never did that. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And then some people are going to want to know where you are all the time. | ||
| Why won't you let me know where you are, Zach? | ||
| Yeah, it's six years, that's like seven years ago. | ||
| I deleted Snapchat because I saw the map with all the fucking heads on it. | ||
| And kids are growing up like this, bro. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| My kids use that constantly. | ||
| They're always tracking their friends. | ||
| And I'm 27. I'm not allowed to say that yet. | ||
| You're still a kid. | ||
| I don't know what age that is where you can start saying to kids, you know, which is cringy to say. | ||
| You can say it at 27. After 25, you can kind of say it occasionally. | ||
| That's how I feel. | ||
| After 25, I was like, holy fuck, man. | ||
| Life is nuts. | ||
| Then once you're 30, you're like, oh my god, I'm a grown-up. | ||
| I was told at 30 you feel more settled. | ||
| Depends on who you are. | ||
| Sometimes people aren't happy at 30 and then they start panicking more because they haven't got anything done. | ||
| My fucking, I don't know about your 20s, I don't know what you did in your 20s, but my 20s have been like this crazy rollercoaster that have just like, it hasn't stopped. | ||
| And I'm like, holy shit, this is what they meant by the 20s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Psychotic. | ||
| I mean, you're just over being 10. Yeah, literally. | ||
| You were 10 17 years ago. | ||
| And you feel like you know everything, man, when you're 22 and 23. It's so scary. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Decisions and shit you make, it's crazy. | ||
| You got into making music. | ||
| Well, I say you were successful making music while you were still in the military, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| 22 when I started. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I started putting videos on Twitter and it was psychotic. | ||
| It was crazy because I did it for like... | ||
| I get all these messages all the time from people who are like, hey man, I was around when you released Headin' South. | ||
| I've been here from the beginning. | ||
| And I'm like, wow. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The very beginning, you know? | ||
| And I started putting videos on Twitter back in like 2017. And then I just kept doing it and doing it and doing it. | ||
| Because I was in the Navy. | ||
| I had a lot of shit going on. | ||
| I didn't believe in therapy because that's crazy in the Navy, you know? | ||
| I started just making music and I started posting them on Twitter and people I'd get like five or six likes and I didn't care. | ||
| It was nice. | ||
| It was nice to go home It was nice to go home and feel the way I did and write and put music on Twitter I don't know it's kind of my validation in the world of I can write a song at least right and then man one I was it I was training in Florida and one day I put like four or five videos up and They just went like crazy viral and I was like Cool. | ||
| Neat. | ||
| And then my life just kept going up and up and up. | ||
| At that time, did you have any... | ||
| What were your aspirations about recording? | ||
| No, I didn't even know what it was. | ||
| That's why all my beginning records are shitty. | ||
| You never thought... | ||
| They're not shitty, but... | ||
| See, when I recorded this, I was about to, like, go inside. | ||
| I was like, whatever, I'll just throw this on the internet. | ||
| This isn't like an iPhone. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And it was, like, the number one voted Reddit video in the entire, like, world, I think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I was, like, getting calls from people. | ||
| I'm like, what the hell's going on? | ||
| Everyone at work's like, you're going viral! | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| And we're, like, literally, like, learning how to load missiles and shit. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| Sick, man. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| It's been crazy. | ||
| And I never in my life envisioned being a musician. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Period. | ||
| No. | ||
| My old man was in the Navy for 25 years. | ||
| He was a Master Chief. | ||
| My mom was in the Navy. | ||
| My grandpa was in the Navy. | ||
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Both. | |
| Yeah, just that, like, whatever. | ||
| And I was like, I'm gonna be in the Navy till the day I die, probably. | ||
| Until I retire, at least. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| That was gonna be my life. | ||
| And I was thinking about it yesterday, how crazy my reality is now. | ||
| Like, coming back to Oklahoma and being around people and people, like, coming to get me in diners and being like, take a picture of me. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| What is going on, man? | ||
| There's like 700 people hating me online. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I didn't fucking mean to do this. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I just kept going. | ||
| Kept writing. | ||
| So when you made your music, you just made it for fun? | ||
| You make it for yourself? | ||
| Did you plan on... | ||
| No, I just wanted to be a writer. | ||
| I think writing is the most beautiful thing in the world. | ||
| Because I used to read Steinbeck books and stuff when I was a kid. | ||
| And... | ||
| I thought it was so crazy that someone could take words and put them on a page and it would make you feel something. | ||
| Not to be deep either. | ||
| I mean that. | ||
| Like you can be reading a book and feel something like visceral and real from a page on a book. | ||
| It's just ink and you're looking at it and I was like, that's crazy. | ||
| So I started writing poems and stuff when I was a kid. | ||
| Those turned into songs because writing poems is lame, right? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Now that I'm 27, I know that it's not. | ||
| But when I was a kid, I thought that. | ||
| I was like, what way can you write poems and it's not weird? | ||
| That's why I started playing guitar. | ||
| Yeah, poems are one of those ones people are embarrassed to say. | ||
| Exactly, yeah, and I don't get that nowadays, but I do if you're 16 or 17. You know why? | ||
| Because the people that aren't embarrassed when they talk about poetry are annoying. | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| They're annoying. | ||
| Oh, man, you should be mean. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| People talking to me about writing, I'm like, man, you suck, dude. | ||
| Please, please don't. | ||
| I don't want to hear it. | ||
| I don't want to hear it, man. | ||
| Some people just want to unload on you. | ||
| Because it's almost embarrassing to like... | ||
| Write vulnerable stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not at all. | ||
| At the same time, it's like you have one life, you know? | ||
| But it connects with people so much. | ||
| The vulnerable stuff, like, it connects with people. | ||
| It resonates with people so much. | ||
| And people act like you should be ashamed of it. | ||
| Well, it's just... | ||
| People are ashamed of emotions for some strange reason. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| It's really weird to talk to people about it. | ||
| It's very stupid. | ||
| It's very stupid. | ||
| At the same time, so many people are drawn to them. | ||
| Like, I have so many happy songs and people always love my, like, darker ones. | ||
| And I'm like, this isn't my fault. | ||
| You guys all lean towards this. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| I think what stems from is people criticizing people who lose control of their emotions like people who are too emotional so like Give me any little thing that goes wrong in their life and they break down start crying and think the world is out to get them like that Is see that that? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And in harder times, that is really looked down on because those are the people that don't carry their own weight. | ||
| Those are the people that get in the way. | ||
| Those are the people that panic and battle. | ||
| Those are the people that can't control their emotions. | ||
| So when we think about someone who's exploring their emotions or expressing their emotions, We, like, kind of automatically think about the most annoying aspect of expressing your emotions. | ||
| Other people in your childhood who were just crying all the time. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's some people that just, like, anything that goes wrong in their life, they think the universe is out to get them. | ||
| Like, goddammit, like, have you ever seen Africa? | ||
| You ever seen, like, people that are living in third-world countries? | ||
| You ever seen people that are walking from Guatemala to try to get through to Mexico to get to America? | ||
| Wake up every morning so happy to breathe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In America, man. | ||
| I wake up every morning, I'm like, holy shit, this could be so much worse. | ||
| Yeah, that's like when this whole border crisis thing is going on, and I'm like, listen, if I was living in Honduras, and I had no way of making out, and I knew that I could walk all the way to America, my cousin was going to do it, my brother was going to do it, and it's going to take us two weeks to walk to America, I'm like, let's fucking go, man, otherwise we're stuck. | ||
| And you have to think about that being a story in itself. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, for you, is that... | ||
| That person who's like, I'm gonna go make this trek and make this journey in my life to make it better. | ||
| That's like an odyssey, right? | ||
| Well, people do what they have to do in order to make their life better. | ||
| And when there's nothing you have to do, because your life's pretty fucking easy, then people find all sorts of stupid shit to complain about. | ||
| There's like a level of dissatisfaction that most people just contain all day long. | ||
| And a lot of it is like they have a lot of dissatisfaction about their own self. | ||
| And they don't address that. | ||
| So instead, they find all this dissatisfaction in the world. | ||
| But whatever that percentage is, whether their life is unbelievably brutal or whether their life is really easy, they still want to spend, you know, 30-what percent fucking complaining about shit. | ||
| So they find dumb shit to complain about that means nothing. | ||
| This is weird you're bringing this up because I posted on my Instagram. | ||
| I had to bring it up, but I posted on my Instagram last week this thing called the... | ||
| Catastrophe of Success. | ||
| Have you ever read that? | ||
| No. | ||
| By Tennessee Williams? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| There's this paragraph at the end. | ||
| He talks about how success just made him like... | ||
| You gotta... | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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Yeah, pull it up. | |
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| No, don't apologize. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, I'm gonna... | ||
| You gotta read it. | ||
| You gotta read this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know then that public somebody you are when you have a name... | ||
| Yeah, you can read it, but... | ||
| Okay, you know then that the public somebody you are when you have a name is a fiction created with mirrors and that only somebody worth being is the solitary and unseen you that existed from your first breath and which is the sum of your actions and so is constantly in a state of becoming under your own violation. | ||
| And knowing these things, you can even survive the catastrophe of success. | ||
| Wrong paragraph. | ||
| I had one job. | ||
| It's the one above it. | ||
| But it talks about what you were just saying, that people get so content in their lives that the only thing worth it in this life is conflict. | ||
| You have to have that conflict and those stories and those things that make you suffer to be happy and content, which is just crazy to think about. | ||
| Yeah, it says, this is an oversimplification. | ||
| One does not escape that easily from the seduction of an effet way of life. | ||
| Is that how I say that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| A feat? | ||
| How do you say that, Jeremy? | ||
| You got it. | ||
| A feat? | ||
| Killed it. | ||
| One of them? | ||
| I got it with one of them. | ||
| The first one? | ||
| Killed it. | ||
| That's one of those things I've only read. | ||
| I've never like said out loud. | ||
| I've never seen that word until I saw this. | ||
| I was like, no way, man. | ||
| You cannot arbitrarily say to yourself, I will not continue my life as it was before this thing. | ||
| Success happened to me. | ||
| But once you fully apprehend the vacuity of a life without struggle, you are equipped with the basic means of salvation. | ||
| Once you know this is true, that the heart of man, his body and brain are forged in a white hot furnace for the purpose of conflict, the struggle of creation, and that with the conflict removed, the man is a sword cutting daisies. | ||
| Sick. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
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That's sick. | |
| That not privation but luxury is the wolf at the door, and that the fangs of this wolf are all the little vanities and conceits and laxities that success is heir to. | ||
| Why, then with this knowledge, you are at least in a position of knowing where danger lies. | ||
| And people who are content, that's what it means. | ||
| You won't be happy without the conflict of... | ||
| You need struggle. | ||
| And that's very unfortunate. | ||
| That's what I've dealt with a lot lately in my life. | ||
| The touring life and things like that. | ||
| Being successful in anything. | ||
| It's just hard, I think. | ||
| Which that's so... | ||
| No, it is. | ||
| But I'm not trying to bullshit anyone. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| It's not like you're a coal miner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm not being like... | ||
| In the 1800s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're 12. Yeah. | ||
| It's fucking complicated. | ||
| Complicated is better to say than hard. | ||
| It's also super bizarre because there's not a lot of people you could talk to about it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, there's no one who relates. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I tried to talk to a bunch of different people about it, like, early on, and everybody has a different take on it. | ||
| And it's interesting to see, like, some people, as time has gone on, they've dealt with it less and less well. | ||
| Which is crazy to think about. | ||
| You would think as you went along the route, you would... | ||
| You'd get better at it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of things not... | ||
| It's just been insane. | ||
| And that really, every time I feel however I'm stressed out, I'll just read that. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| Everything will be alright. | ||
| For me, that's why exercise is a key component of my mental health regimen. | ||
| It's more mental health than anything. | ||
| Personally, because when I was in the Navy, I was running marathons on the weekends. | ||
| Because I loved it so much. | ||
| Running, I've always ran a lot. | ||
| I've lost that along the way of being a musician, and I've noticed a decline in how I feel energy-wise. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it's freaked me out. | ||
| So every morning when I wake up to play a show, I always go on a run now. | ||
| I always try to tell other comics that, because a lot of comics do not like to take care of themselves. | ||
| It's like part of the fun of being a comedian. | ||
| You're just lazy and crazy, and you're doing drugs, and sleeping late. | ||
| Yeah, it's a part of the thing. | ||
| But I always tell them, Your body is literally the race car that you're maneuvering around life in. | ||
| And if you can give that race car more horsepower, if you make it more robust, it works better. | ||
| It works better with everything. | ||
| It thinks better. | ||
| It handles emotions better. | ||
| It sleeps better. | ||
| It eats better. | ||
| You'll be smarter. | ||
| And people don't want to believe that because it's easier to not. | ||
| But it's also more fun. | ||
| But fucking lazy. | ||
| It's also fun, though, to not care. | ||
| To go crazy? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But then you realize it makes it so much worse. | ||
| That's what happened to me last year. | ||
| Because, I mean, I wasn't, like, being crazy. | ||
| I wasn't, like, shooting up or anything. | ||
| But we were just... | ||
| We were just drinking so much and we weren't like working out and like, it was just like, and I woke up one morning, I was like in New York City and I'm like, man, I feel just bad. | ||
| I shouldn't feel like this at eight in the morning. | ||
| I haven't done anything. | ||
| That's when I started like addressing, I called my dad. | ||
| I'm like, man, I got to do something. | ||
| That's the real problem with booze. | ||
| That's the real problem with booze. | ||
| Booze is so much worse for you than weed or mushrooms or anything else. | ||
| Booze is the worst. | ||
| Because it removes all of your... | ||
| Am I being an asshole filter? | ||
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So you're fucking loud! | |
| So people get loud and confident and uninhibited. | ||
| And then you feel terrible the next day. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's the worst drug. | ||
| But it's also really fun. | ||
| It's the most fun thing you can do. | ||
| It's pretty fun. | ||
| People give me shit all the time because my sister sobered up a long, long time ago. | ||
| And we always talk about it with each other in a way of balancing our lives and things like that and drinking and all that. | ||
| And every time I talk to her, she's like, why don't you just quit drinking if you feel bad all the time? | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Become a musician. | ||
| It's a great time to be, like, that night at the mothership and stuff. | ||
| Like, you go down and you start drinking with your friends and things. | ||
| It's when it gets out of hand that it's not okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a balancing act, for sure. | ||
| Did you see Huberman's podcast? | ||
|
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On alcohol? | |
| On alcohol? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Sure, it's terrible. | ||
| I watched... | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
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I watched... | |
| I watched that, man. | ||
| I was like, I'm never... | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's scary. | ||
| He was talking about it and I was like, I probably was drinking a beer because it was like 8pm and I'm like, oh shit. | ||
| He was like, no, this is, he did not, don't quote me on this. | ||
| He was like, this is, it kills you. | ||
| It definitely does. | ||
| Every time you drink. | ||
| And I was like, man, I gotta. | ||
| It's poison. | ||
| Because I'd stopped drinking, I thought, man, I thought I was being smart. | ||
| And like last year we were drinking a lot of whiskey. | ||
| And I was like, I'm going to stop drinking whiskey. | ||
| I'll stick with the light beers and just the beer. | ||
| I started drinking beer and I felt worse. | ||
| And I was like, shit. | ||
| Well, you're getting a lot of carbohydrates. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I didn't realize that. | ||
| I woke up every morning like full. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| I just can't eat breakfast. | ||
| And it was just crazy. | ||
| So many calories. | ||
| If you're drinking 12 beers, shit, that's a shitload of calories. | ||
| And I mean, our days are so long. | ||
| Like, being a musician, people don't realize how much fucking time you're just waiting around. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you get to the venue early, and then you wait around all day to play, and then you play, and then afterwards everyone wants to talk. | ||
| So you're, like, up for, like, 18 hours, and there's beer involved in everything, and you don't even mean to do it, but you're like, man. | ||
| At the end of the night, you're like, I gotta... | ||
| Eat something, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| There's stages of guys drinking less, and one of them is they go to the tequila stage. | ||
| Tequila doesn't give you hangovers, man. | ||
| Tequila's better, right? | ||
| Don't they do that? | ||
| That's like one of the stages. | ||
| You're even saying tequila makes me want to just gag, man. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Even the smell of it freaks me out. | ||
| That's probably my favorite drink. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Now. | ||
| It doesn't fuck me up as much as other ones. | ||
| When I am purposely trying to get fucked up, it's whiskey. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| That's why I had to stop drinking it. | ||
| But the older I get, the more I realize, like, dude, you're not invincible. | ||
| You can't do this. | ||
| Man, it's crazy. | ||
| Your body starts declining, and you're like, I gotta do something. | ||
| Do you ever do IV vitamin drips after you drink? | ||
| I tried them once, and it made me feel worse. | ||
| So now I'm scared of them. | ||
| Yeah, I did it at a festival one time. | ||
| I did ACL. And I'm not... | ||
| ACL's amazing and everything. | ||
| It's awesome, but... | ||
| Man, I woke up the next morning and I was like, I can't, man. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It was like 5.30. | ||
| I had like the 5.30 slot. | ||
| And we had been driving all night. | ||
| I was like, man, I can't do this. | ||
| And Danny's like, here, do this IV. It'll make you feel better. | ||
| And I did it, and I went on stage. | ||
| I was like, oh, this is terrible. | ||
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Really? | |
| I had a great time, and the show was fine. | ||
| But you felt worse? | ||
| I did feel worse. | ||
| It gave me a headache for some reason. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I don't want to throw any companies under the bus, but I wonder what they put in it. | ||
| There's always those IV companies at the festivals and things, yeah. | ||
| What you want to get in is glutathione. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| It actually helps your liver process alcohol. | ||
| A lot of people take glutathione while they drink to actually help their liver process alcohol. | ||
| I was really about to ask, can you do it simultaneously? | ||
| Be needled up and drink at the same time? | ||
| You could. | ||
| I think that would be cumbersome. | ||
| But a lot of people take liposomal glutathione. | ||
| It's a way it gets in your bloodstream better. | ||
| You like squirt it under your tongue. | ||
| I've tried that before. | ||
| But generally, you're rehydrating and you're getting a full panel of vitamins, you're getting zinc, you're getting vitamin D and B and a lot of high dose vitamin C. It's good for your body for sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And when you're recovering from a night of drinking, it's good to give your body the building blocks to try to get your shit together. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| To speak about technically. | ||
| My body like hit a wall because I was so I was so like in the Navy and it was so physical like it was so physical and like you had to be in such great physical shape and then like all of a sudden it was like out Right. | ||
| Do whatever you want. | ||
| Yeah, now it's like you're free. | ||
| And I was like, okay, let's go. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I waited like eight months. | ||
| It was just such a crazy story. | ||
| And then when I finally had freedom, I kind of overdid it. | ||
| Do you ever think about taking like a trainer with you on the road? | ||
| I think we're doing it next year. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| But there's something in me. | ||
| It might be my ego or whatever, but there's something in me that's like, no, you can do it yourself. | ||
| Well, you can, but will ya? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what's hard. | ||
| If you haven't so far. | ||
| It's so unexpected. | ||
| Well, I mean, I have. | ||
| But you know what you could do? | ||
| You could make an agreement with the guys that you work with, where everyone's going to do a specific amount of working out every day. | ||
| Like, you're gonna do, like, X amount of days a week, and you have to do, with each workout, 20 minutes of cardio, 100 push-ups. | ||
| That's cool, too. | ||
| Build camaraderie. | ||
| We've been doing better this year on the road. | ||
| But if you, like, have something like that, where everybody can complain about it, and talk shit about it, and have fun with it. | ||
| That's when people do their best, man. | ||
| When there's a market they gotta, like, compete with. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| It's also like a bonding experience and it's also, you know, it's a shared experience. | ||
| It's like you're having a fun time and you're getting stuff done and it'll force you to do it. | ||
| Like you hold each other accountable and just do it for a month. | ||
| Only thing I'm going to do for the next month is play pool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got to get better. | ||
| You guys get a pool, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I play a lot though. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| I thought, I'm telling you when I say we did too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Like, too much. | ||
| People, like, refer to it when they're talking to me. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Well, there's pool that you play in a bar, like on a bar table. | ||
| And then there's tournament pool that you play on a tight-pocketed table. | ||
| When I showed up and the guy started telling me the rules, I was like, I'm sorry. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's for nine ball. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Yeah, but we play eight ball. | ||
| It's the best game in the world, besides maybe, like, poker. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it more than anything because you have to execute. | ||
| It's one of the rare games where it's not just knowing what to do and figuring out little puzzles, but you have to execute. | ||
| Like, you have to control your body. | ||
| You just put words to how I feel about it, too. | ||
| I've always thought that way. | ||
| I'm like, how is this game so damn fun? | ||
| I think that's the same thing that people get with golf, you know, because you have to execute. | ||
| You have to make the shot. | ||
| Golf, man. | ||
| Do you play golf? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| But Jamie's an addict. | ||
| I can't do golf. | ||
| Jamie just got back from the tournament. | ||
| I can't do golf. | ||
| Something about it I just can't do. | ||
| You'll get there. | ||
| It's got to be the shorts. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| A lot of my friends do play golf and they always try to get me to play. | ||
| It's a super addictive game. | ||
| That's the only reason why I've never messed with it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I don't want to get addicted. | ||
| Like Tony Hinchcliffe and him and Ron White and a lot of my good friends are full-on golf junkies. | ||
| Really? | ||
| They can't stop playing. | ||
| I've been living in the Northeast and there's a big... | ||
| I feel like in golf you have to go out and there's a lot of work involved in getting into golf. | ||
| Same with sports like lacrosse and stuff like that. | ||
| There's just a lot of shit you gotta have to play. | ||
| Oh yeah, golf. | ||
| How many fucking clubs do you have? | ||
| You're supposed to have 14 or so in your bag, plus your shoes. | ||
| There's rules about what you gotta wear out there. | ||
| I always thought it was annoying carrying a pool cue on the road. | ||
| Like taking a pool cue... | ||
| 60 pound bag. | ||
| I feel like a dork when I do that. | ||
| If you walk into... | ||
| You're not a dork if you do that, because some of my friends do it. | ||
| But you walk into a bar with a pool stick, it's like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also people are like, they don't want to play you at that point. | ||
| I don't at least. | ||
| If I'm in a bar and a guy brings a pool stick in and like a glove, I'm like, okay. | ||
| But the thing, like, I never played pool much in bars. | ||
| That's what you're saying out there. | ||
| Playing real pool halls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does that make a difference, do you think? | ||
| Yeah, way different. | ||
| Maybe that's why I think I'm so damn good. | ||
| Yeah, you're playing with lemons. | ||
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| Yeah, but a lot of pool players that are really good go to bars because people do think they're good at pool. | ||
| And they'll go and talk shit. | ||
| Hustle up, man. | ||
| Someone will try to gamble. | ||
| Next thing you know, they're walking out of there with 10 grand. | ||
| I have a bunch of friends that have done that. | ||
| We do the dumbest shit at bars when it comes to pool because we'll all be drinking beers all night. | ||
| It'll be like... | ||
| Midnight and someone's like, I'll bet you on this one and then like the whole bar will get around, you know, just watch us play. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's psychotic. | ||
| Yeah, gambling. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| Dude, I was in Vegas with Dana White, Taylor Lewin, Who else was gambling? | ||
| Will Compton. | ||
| Will Compton. | ||
| Who else was gambling? | ||
| Will was gambling? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Shane. | ||
| And Shane Gillis was with us, and Jamie. | ||
| And Dana White was gambling, and he was down $600,000 playing blackjack. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| No! | ||
| Don't do it! | ||
| Taylor was telling us. | ||
| So we were backstage with Shane. | ||
| Shane Gillis was doing a show at the Mirage. | ||
| I came to hang out. | ||
| We're all having a good time. | ||
| And then he goes, hey, we're going to go gamble with Dana. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God. | ||
| Do you know how hard he gambles? | ||
| He's like, I'm up all this money. | ||
| Taylor's like, I'm fired up. | ||
| Dana shows me how to bet. | ||
| We get there. | ||
| Taylor's down $120,000 in the first five minutes. | ||
| But you can also go the other way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why it's so terrifying. | ||
| It did go the other way. | ||
| He made his money back and he won like 65 grand, I think. | ||
| And then he backed out. | ||
| People just gamble on anything, which is cool. | ||
| I do this thing every year where I go to the casino and I'll put X amount of dollars on red every time, no matter what. | ||
| And I've never lost. | ||
| Which I'll probably lose now that I jinxed it. | ||
| But like every year, once a year, I'll go and put money on red. | ||
| Just to say I can't. | ||
| Like whatever. | ||
| That's good. | ||
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Once a year. | |
| I can't go to the casino, man. | ||
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It's scary. | |
| Man, I was... | ||
| We were in... | ||
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I don't remember. | |
| We were like in... | ||
| It's freaky. | ||
| Like in Arkansas and Oklahoma, Missouri, states like that. | ||
| If you go to the casino... | ||
| I was at the hotel, like, even the hotels at casinos are scary. | ||
| I'm gonna send you something, Jim. | ||
| A bunch of stains on the couches, man, and you're like, what's going on? | ||
| You go downstairs, and, like, your buddies are, like, smoking cigarettes, and, like, with those fucking sticks on the lottery machines, or what, the slot machines? | ||
| Yeah, the slot machines. | ||
| It's like a... | ||
| It's like a dungeon, and you're like, oh, no offense to anyone who gambles, but it scares the shit out of me. | ||
| It should. | ||
| It triggers some things in your brain. | ||
| There's certain things, though. | ||
| This is Dana. | ||
| He's on vacation in the Amalfi Coast. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| And this fucking dude brings a casino. | ||
| He had a casino come to him. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Bro, who's that kid next to him? | ||
| That's his son. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Look, he's got stacks of cash. | ||
| That's a baller, man. | ||
| No, it's not! | ||
| That's a sickness! | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He brought a goddamn casino to his boat. | ||
| My thing is, man, if you can do it, you should do it, if it makes you happy. | ||
| Wow, look at you, all open-minded. | ||
| No way. | ||
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I guess. | |
| I guess the last year of my life has made me like that. | ||
| Well, that's a good way to be. | ||
| No one lets you do what you want to do. | ||
| Or me do what I want to do. | ||
| Like when it comes to like socially, like on the... | ||
| Well, what do you want to do? | ||
| I just think everything is so micro-analyzed. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| There's so many voices. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Like we were talking about earlier. | ||
| If you go on social media and you read comments about you, you're reading the opinions of literally millions of people. | ||
| There is no way they're all going to be positive. | ||
| It's like gambling, man. | ||
| It's either one way or the other. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| The problem with social media though is the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the way it makes you feel. | ||
| Like when you see someone get ganged up on in the social media, I've seen it happen to people where they're like, they say something on a podcast that people disagree with. | ||
| It's some culture issue or medical issue and people get really mad at them. | ||
| And then you go to their timeline, you see all these people hating on them. | ||
| I just imagine. | ||
| Like, what that does to your psychology, to your mind, when you're reading all... | ||
| Like, if you read a hundred things that, like, Zach, you're a great guy, and then one guy, you fucking fraud, you piece of shit, I know who you really are. | ||
| Like, ugh! | ||
| Well, being from my... | ||
| Being from, like, individually, it freaks me out. | ||
| Individually, like, from the inside out. | ||
| And also, if you see someone get... | ||
| Ganged up. | ||
| Fucking socially ruined. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What freaks me out is like, what would have that person done artistically if that wouldn't have happened? | ||
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Right. | |
| What would have that person done for the great, for the good of people? | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, it's possible. | ||
| It's just either way. | ||
| Depending on what it was, I mean. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| It's just fucking scary. | ||
| There's a thing that people do. | ||
| What it is is they're terrified of it happening to them. | ||
| So people know it's a thing that people can gang up on people. | ||
| It's the same reason why people jump people. | ||
| Like 10 guys will beat up one dude. | ||
| Like you're terrified of that ever happening to you. | ||
| And when it's happening to someone else, you just jump in and gang up on people. | ||
| So it doesn't happen to you. | ||
| It's like a thing that people are doing or they're so afraid of being ganged up on social media that they just gang up. | ||
| The most neurotic people are also, oddly, the most aggressive about attacking people. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I saw on here like two years ago, Sapiens, that book. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I read it because of this podcast and in that book somewhere it says that people are only supposed to be in groups of 150 people, like villages, you know? | ||
| And I had this rant in Denver, Colorado like two weeks ago. | ||
| We played Red Rocks and everyone afterwards went out to the pool bar and we were all just hanging out and we were walking home. | ||
| And I grabbed my phone. | ||
| I mean we drank too much obviously because we had played Forest Hills in New York and then we went to Red Rocks. | ||
| And we just were celebrating because it was a big deal to us at least. | ||
| And I was walking home with like eight other guys and I had my phone and I was like, man screw this! | ||
| And I just threw it behind me. | ||
| Because it's scary, man. | ||
| There's so many fucking people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right in the palm of your hands. | ||
| Well, you know what that's from? | ||
| That's from how we evolved. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what they think, at least. | ||
| That's what some people think. | ||
| It's Dunbar's number. | ||
| Dunbar's number. | ||
| And it's more complicated than like 150 people. | ||
| It's like there's tiers of people. | ||
| There's people like family and very close friends. | ||
| And then there's like a tier above that. | ||
| That's the tiers. | ||
| So, like, there's five people that you're, like, super close with. | ||
| And then there's 15 people that you're slightly less close to. | ||
| And then it goes all the way out to 1,500 people. | ||
| And imagine the vulnerability it takes to be you or me. | ||
| And, like, in your life, a lot of people think they know you at the 150 level. | ||
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Right. | |
| But you know, you don't know, me personally, I don't know 150 people. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Off the top of my head. | ||
| What is this one, Jamie? | ||
| I'm just trying to find one that has the explanations of it on the screen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many friends can a person have? | ||
| I think about this more often than I should when it comes to looking at my phone and seeing how many followers I have or the bullshit that comes with being socially active. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Well, it's something to think about because what I think is happening is human beings evolved in these tribal groups and now we're evolving a new consciousness that is actually global because it went from being in small tribes to larger communities, agricultural communities, cities, millions of people, countries, and now the whole world. | ||
| And that's a completely new way of interacting with people that has never existed in the... | ||
| It's so much heavier than people make it out to be. | ||
| I feel like people are taking it lightly, which obviously a lot of people aren't. | ||
| I don't think they're aware of it. | ||
| I think it's just something that you're kind of dealing with because it's just there. | ||
| You're tweeting and you're looking at the news and the news cycle is now the news cycle of literally 8 billion people. | ||
| I haven't talked to anyone like this in like four years because I'm so fucking scared, man. | ||
| Not scared of anything in particular. | ||
| I'm just – Not scared of the world either, but you know what I mean? | ||
| It wasn't worth it to me. | ||
| Not in an arrogant way, just in a way where it was like, man, why? | ||
| I write enough music. | ||
| You know me from that. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Why risk people getting pissed off at you? | ||
| Yeah, about something silly. | ||
| And I went back to Oklahoma recently. | ||
| I've been in the Northeast for like two years, three years. | ||
| And I went back to Oklahoma, man, and I had some time off and I just sat in the grass. | ||
| Sat in a field like I used to when I was a kid. | ||
| I was like, man, that Duncan Trussell episode with you? | ||
| When Duncan Trussell was like, man, there's probably some sad sack sitting by a waterfall with... | ||
| He didn't know who's mad at him or who he should be scared at. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Crazy that he said that. | ||
| I'm like, he's right, man. | ||
| Duncan's a genius. | ||
| He is a genius. | ||
| I watch his episodes religiously on here because he's just so beautifully articulated. | ||
| That's how he is all the time, too. | ||
| It's so funny, because we did two episodes kind of back-to-back. | ||
| We did one where we dressed as doctors, and what was the other one before that? | ||
| I remember, man. | ||
| I sound like a fucking fanboy. | ||
| You guys got way too hot. | ||
| Yeah, we respect the furries, because they're putting in work. | ||
| They're putting in work, those furries. | ||
| You guys are talking about it. | ||
| I was like, holy shit. | ||
| I can't believe this realm of people exists. | ||
| How crazy. | ||
| Somebody had a good idea the other night. | ||
| They're like, you should make every guest dress up. | ||
| No matter how important they think they are, world leaders, make them put on clown costumes. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| You can do the show, but you have to put on a clown costume. | ||
| I could barely put on a shirt this morning. | ||
| I was like, what do you wear? | ||
| What do you do here, man? | ||
| I've never done this. | ||
| Well, I saw this Johnny Cash shirt sitting in my closet. | ||
| I was like, this is perfect. | ||
| It works. | ||
| This is a perfect shirt for the show. | ||
| I thought you were working out in it. | ||
| I was like, okay, shit. | ||
| No. | ||
| Should have did it. | ||
| No. | ||
| I shot Bose this morning, got a little workout in, came straight here. | ||
| Where do you shoot bows around here? | ||
| At your place? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I have a range. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, I have a range in here too. | ||
| I can't imagine just waking up and being like, you know what I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm going to head over and shoot some bows, man. | ||
| It's good for your mind, man. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| Anything you focus on. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, forget about bow hunting, but just archery. | ||
| Just archery, like shooting at a target is so good for your mind. | ||
| That's why doing anything, writing for comedy probably, writing music, Yeah. | ||
| Dude, you're just focused. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're in there. | ||
| You're locked in. | ||
| And I wish I could just be in that state forever. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| But you don't, man. | ||
| You gotta love it like you love sex. | ||
| You don't wanna fuck all day, every day. | ||
| You'd get bored. | ||
| True. | ||
| I'm there. | ||
| I mean, I'm not there now. | ||
| I love making music and stuff. | ||
| But, like, even touring, like, playing the same songs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I love doing it because the people are so beautiful and the people who come to the shows are so, like, moved by it. | ||
| And I'm... | ||
| But, like... | ||
| People, like, look at me and they don't realize that I played the same show... | ||
| X amount of times and I'm so blessed, so lucky. | ||
| But sometimes, man, I'm halfway through my set and I'm like, give it all you got, man. | ||
| Give it all you got, no matter how many times you've sang it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you just kind of reset. | ||
| Like, those people are seeing you in many... | ||
| You know what I call the Joe DiMaggio principle? | ||
| Is that Joe DiMaggio was playing once, and I think he was like 40 years old, and he slid into third base. | ||
| And the third baseman said, why do you play so hard? | ||
| You're already Joe DiMaggio. | ||
| And he goes, because somewhere out there in the audience is someone who hasn't seen Joe DiMaggio play, and I don't want to let him down. | ||
| My dad says that to me every time I go on stage. | ||
| And I think about it too. | ||
| I think what I do when I go on stage, I look out at the audience and I pick out one kid. | ||
| Whoever it is, I pick out one kid who's in it, and I'm like, man, this one's for you. | ||
| That's how I do it. | ||
| So religiously, because it's kind of a paradox, man, because you write the music or you write a skit and you care about it so much. | ||
| And then every time you play it, it feels like you're almost giving a little bit of it to other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And at one point, you're singing the song and you forget. | ||
| It's so sad because you love the song so much, but you've sang it so many times. | ||
| So when I look at the kid, whoever's out there, I'm like, that's it. | ||
| That's why I'm doing this, man. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Because it means so much. | ||
| What does it feel like when they sing along? | ||
| Is that wild when they know the lyrics? | ||
| This year has been weird because last year was such a crazy year for us growth-wise. | ||
| People used to love it. | ||
| Now I'm getting no arrogance attached. | ||
| I'm just getting big enough to wear... | ||
| People are like, man, I go to his shows, can't even fucking hear him sing. | ||
| Because everyone's singing. | ||
| Everyone's singing along. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it scares me a little bit because I fear that, like, what if there's, like, some, like, 50-year-old woman or 50-year-old man who's, like, sitting in his house and he's like, man, I'd really like to go to a Zach Bryan show to hear him sing these songs. | ||
| Then you go to one of the shows and it's all these fucking, like, reckless kids just doing it, man, shirtless. | ||
| And the 50-year-old's sitting back there like, damn it. | ||
| I just want to hear him sing it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, but they should be just taking in that experience. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| You're not going to change it. | ||
| You're not going to get everybody to stop singing. | ||
| Hey, stop singing! | ||
| That guy sucks. | ||
| I'm trying to listen to Zach. | ||
| That guy sucks, man. | ||
| Whoever that guy sucks ass, man. | ||
| I hate that guy. | ||
| That guy stormed the Capitol. | ||
| Yeah, of course, man. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And it's so sick, man, because we had Charles Wesley Godwin on the road with us the first year and the second year, and it's such a... | ||
| It felt like when I was watching him open for us or whatever, I'm not even trying to plug him, but when he would be singing and you'd be in these weird fucking 2,000 cap, 3,000 cap roller rinks. | ||
| And all these American venues. | ||
| Like, you ever been to the Majestic, you know, in Detroit? | ||
| Yeah, I've been to the Majestic, yeah. | ||
| And the venues, like, in San Francisco, the Warfield. | ||
| You look around, and all this architecture is so beautiful. | ||
| And, like, you're hearing, like, your opener sing, and you're like, this is a chapter in something. | ||
| This has got to be something. | ||
| This is beautiful. | ||
| There's all these, like, 18 to 25-year-old kids just, like, giving their everything to, like, be there for you. | ||
| And you're like, man, this got to... | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| This is what you see, like, on whatever. | ||
| Like, you read this shit in books or whatever. | ||
| When I was in Greece last week, I got to see Guns N' Roses in Athens. | ||
| They're always playing Not In America. | ||
| Bro, my dad always is like, I saw them in Japan. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| I think they played everywhere. | ||
| I think they played a lot in America, too. | ||
| But it was just dumb luck that we happened to be there. | ||
| And I ran into Axl Rose at a restaurant. | ||
| And Axl invited me to the show. | ||
| I'm like, oh, shit. | ||
| Like, this is wild. | ||
| And we went and watched Guns N' Roses. | ||
| These dudes are 60 years old. | ||
| And just killing it. | ||
| Murdering it. | ||
| For three hours. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| For three hours. | ||
| I love that, man. | ||
| Do your thing. | ||
| It was intense. | ||
| And it was like 95 degrees out. | ||
| We were talking about earlier how hard the road is and stuff. | ||
| And I see these older guys doing it. | ||
| I'm like, man, what's going on? | ||
| Well, Mick Jagger, when the Rolling Stones were here, they played CODA, the Circuits of the Americas. | ||
| My friend owns it, and he was explaining to me how they brought two trailers, two trailers that are just Mick Jagger's workout equipment. | ||
| Two trailers full of shit. | ||
| Still moving, man. | ||
| I mean, every day that guy works out. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Has to. | ||
| He has to. | ||
| Like we were saying, it'll kill you if you don't. | ||
| He's Biden's age. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
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Bro. | |
| That's insane. | ||
| He's Biden's age. | ||
| I want to talk. | ||
| Look at him out there. | ||
| And doing what I do at 27, I look at this and I'm like... | ||
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He looks great. | |
| Yeah, and dude, he's moving around. | ||
| You know, like, he's not stationary. | ||
| He's not, like, just standing there singing the songs. | ||
| He's dancing. | ||
| As a young person, man. | ||
| Look at him go. | ||
| As a young person, that's not easy. | ||
| No, man. | ||
| These guys, because they're devoted, man. | ||
| They're so into it. | ||
| They're... | ||
| And the show was epic, right? | ||
| So it's at this outdoor racetrack, and they have these giant fucking screens, this huge stage, and you're seeing Keith Richards and Mick Jagger right there! | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| Right there! | ||
| Dude, I'm telling you, it was like being on drugs. | ||
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Dude! | |
| It was like a psychedelic experience. | ||
| I couldn't believe they were really there. | ||
| Those guys are so iconic sometimes, I wonder if they ever think about it. | ||
| Like, do they ask themselves the same questions that I ask myself? | ||
| Or, uh, not, that sounded shitty, but like... | ||
| Since I'm smaller, obviously. | ||
| Watching those guys, I wonder if they came up and accidentally became legends. | ||
| They were so young when they hit the scene. | ||
| You have to stop and think about the 1960s. | ||
| Was their dream to become massive musicians? | ||
| No, I don't think anybody could have imagined it could have been the Rolling Stones. | ||
| There's no way anyone can imagine being the Rolling Stones. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| You think Taylor Swift imagined she'd be Taylor Swift? | ||
| No way. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Maybe her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But for most bands, the idea is just to try to be successful. | ||
| There's so many talented people, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what freaks me out being me. | ||
| I know like three chords on the guitar, and I'm like, ooh, what's up? | ||
| And there's so many people that I get in these circles of these astounding musicians who aren't Nearly as big, and I almost have, like, that... | ||
| I have a real guilt of that, you know? | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Why the fuck am I on stage, man? | ||
| You're incredible. | ||
| You're on stage for your songwriting and your voice and your songs, man. | ||
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I get it. | |
| And your music, too, but it's, like, the combination of the things. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| You know, to toot your horn, man. | ||
| It's uniquely authentic. | ||
| You have very authentic music. | ||
| You can kind of tell when someone's bullshitting. | ||
| For whatever reason, it feels like you could take a certain amount of it. | ||
| Like, there's a certain amount of sugar that you can take in food before it starts getting gross. | ||
| You know, you're like, oh, this is so sweet. | ||
| That's why the writing's so important to me. | ||
| Man, I can't do it. | ||
| The writing is excellent. | ||
| I can't listen to... | ||
| Corny writing? | ||
| Personally, I can't. | ||
| Well, it's like corny comedy. | ||
| And you gotta like love it to love it, but... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, people in the car with me are like, what the fuck are we listening to? | ||
| And I'm like, oh, it's an indie song I found. | ||
| And I'm like the pretentious asshole, you know? | ||
| Oh, you're that guy? | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Like, I usually put on like the fucking barnyard shuffle 50 of the top hits when people are with me. | ||
| But when I'm alone... | ||
| You know what I found, man? | ||
| I don't know if you've ever heard this song, but my friend Brian Simpson turned me on to this song. | ||
| And this song should have been a fucking gigantic hit. | ||
| I hear this all the time. | ||
| Should have been a... | ||
| I mean, I hear this song. | ||
| I'm gonna send it to you, Jamie. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| It's called I'm Alive. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Let me find it for you. | ||
| By Johnny Thunder. | ||
| I'm Alive by Johnny Thunder. | ||
| Here, I'll share it with you, Jamie. | ||
| Man, I always want to be the guy. | ||
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You got it? | |
| Yeah, I heard it. | ||
| You got it, Jamie? | ||
| Listen to this, man. | ||
| So this is a song from 1969, I believe. | ||
| And it was re-released sometimes in the 2000s. | ||
| They probably thought the same thing as you. | ||
| But this is... | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
|
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Oh, man. | |
| I'm alive. | ||
|
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And I see things mighty, clamidated. | |
| Come on! | ||
| How the fuck did this not make it? | ||
| When'd you hear this? | ||
| My friend Brian just sent it to me. | ||
| He's like, you gotta listen to this. | ||
| Dude, you wanna be on the highway right now. | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| I wanna be dancing right now. | ||
| In a 69 Camaro. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| How good is this? | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| So good. | ||
| You hear shit like this all the time. | ||
| That's why I feel so bad on stage, man. | ||
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Yeah, this is a guy from 1969. Sick cover, too, man. | |
| They had it right. | ||
| They had all the art right. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that, dude, is good. | ||
| Like in the 60s and 70s. | ||
| Everything you see is just right. | ||
| This one is particularly good. | ||
| It's bigger. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| And I'm like, a guy that can do this? | ||
| This is like a world-famous, gigantic musical artist. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| Someone who can do this? | ||
| This guy's a star. | ||
| Well, it only takes once, too. | ||
| If you put this on whatever people are using now... | ||
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Baby! | |
| Baby! | ||
| I'm a man! | ||
| Yo! | ||
| Oh. | ||
| We got to go run around, man. | ||
| This is on our pre-show playlist at the Mothership. | ||
| I'm gonna start walking out to that. | ||
| When we're hanging out in the green room, we listen to that. | ||
| Well, there's a huge resurgence in music right now because of TikTok and shit like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because people are like... | ||
| Finding old stuff. | ||
| Finding old stuff, which is a beautiful thing, also a scary thing, but I don't even know. | ||
| I don't know anything. | ||
| It's cool, because if one person that was big or whatever used that, it might have a brand new life. | ||
| Which kind of stinks for the... | ||
| Johnny Thunder was his name. | ||
| I think Johnny's dead. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Like the Van Gogh thing, where he knew he was going to be a famous artist, and he like... | ||
| I don't know if this is Van Gogh, or I don't know if it's another one, but there was an artist back in that era of people who... | ||
| My producer, Eddie, he used to tell me this. | ||
| He said that... | ||
| One of those guys painted his entire life, he would paint in coffee shops and stuff, and he would tell his buddies or whoever, he would say, I know one day these are going to be worth something. | ||
| And then he lived his life, died, and then 200, 300 years later, or 100 years later, whatever, he got famous for it. | ||
| That's like the whole plant a tree and watch it. | ||
| Like if you plant a tree, you'll never see grow. | ||
| Plant a tree, you'll never see it big. | ||
| Whatever that shit is. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This Johnny Thunder, somehow or another, it slipped by. | ||
| How old is he when he died? | ||
| I'm trying to look stuff up about him right now. | ||
| His real name was Gil Hamilton. | ||
| Tom Jones covered it. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I found a Ghostface Killis song that sampled it. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| What year did this guy... | ||
| I think it said... | ||
| Well, the cover was 69. His version... | ||
| I'm Alive Thunder... | ||
| 68? | ||
| So Johnny Thunder's version was first, right? | ||
| And then the 69 version I've also heard... | ||
| Tommy James and the Shondells. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not as good. | ||
| He had to have wrote it, right? | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| I think Tommy James and the Shondells wrote it. | ||
| There's a Don Fardon Farden. | ||
| But if he wouldn't have sang it like that, man. | ||
| Oh, he sang it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's a weird conflict in my head, too. | ||
| Right, that's a thing, right? | ||
| The covering thing is weird. | ||
| I don't cover on stage because I'm young. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't act like I'm better than a cover. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like if it's what I stand by. | ||
| Well, it's like do whatever you want to do, man. | ||
| Whatever resonates with you. | ||
| But sometimes people just have a feel for a song and they want to redo it. | ||
| When I knew everything at like 20 or whatever, I used to hear covers and be like, wait, man, you're ruining the feeling of a song that Ryder wrote it and it means the world. | ||
| Don't mess it up. | ||
| Some covers are fucking amazing. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Like Stevie Ray Vaughan's cover of Voodoo Child. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Some of the best songs of like ever were covers. | ||
| Yeah, there's some amazing... | ||
| Oh my goodness, yeah. | ||
| Oh right, that's Hendrix, right? | ||
| He covered Dylan. | ||
| And then Dave Matthews. | ||
| Yeah, have you seen the live one where they're all on stage and just... | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Recently in my life I've like started delving into this is crazy to me that People don't even and this isn't an issue. | ||
| I have no problem with this But people don't even give a shit about who wrote whatever if it sounds great Which is cool in a sense, but in my life even as like a writer or whatever I just now started going to the song credits like looking and And it surprises me every single time, because there's people who you don't think would write something that did write it, or someone who sounded so great covering a song that you think they wrote it, and then you go to it, and there's like eight people writing it, and you're like, what? | ||
| This is crazy, you know? | ||
| I just found out that Mae West was a writer, and Mae West got arrested for writing, I think it was a play, She spent eight days in jail, let's see. | ||
| Mae West? | ||
| Yeah, it was about sex. | ||
| There was something about sex that she got arrested for. | ||
| Yeah, Mae West spent eight days in jail. | ||
| She looks like a badass. | ||
| Oh, she was a badass. | ||
| What did she do? | ||
| We actually have her couch. | ||
| Yeah, Mitzi owned her couch and Mitzi's son gave it to me. | ||
| And so that's in our green room at the mothership. | ||
| We have Mae West's couch. | ||
| We reupholstered it. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| Where was it at? | ||
| Was it like in New York? | ||
| It was at Mitzi's place. | ||
| Where's Mitzi? | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Mitzi Shore was the owner. | ||
| That's that lady. | ||
| She was the owner of the comedy store. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Members of the cast of Sex were... | ||
| So the show was called Sex. | ||
| She was such a hoe! | ||
| Who'd have thought, man? | ||
| What a powerful lady. | ||
| February 9, 1927, Mae West, the original Cardi B, went backstage of a performance of her play Sex and found herself surrounded by officers from the New York City Police Department's Municipal Vice Squad, which rounded up the cast and put them into black police vans. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Wes was a smart-talking, wise-cracking, blonde bombshell of the 1930s cinema, famous for some of the sharpest and most suggestive one-liners in the history of the movies. | ||
| As both a playwright and a screenwriter, she wrote many of those lines herself. | ||
| She was like one of them original boss bitches. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| All these boss ladies now, like Cardi B's a big one, who else? | ||
| I guess you could say Lizzo's a boss lady. | ||
| Who's a boss lady? | ||
| Beyonce. | ||
| Beyonce's a boss lady. | ||
| Taylor Swift's a boss lady. | ||
| There's a lot of boss ladies now. | ||
| It's crazy to think about. | ||
| They can say whatever the fuck they want. | ||
| They're amazing too. | ||
| But back then, like in Mae West time, like someone who was like a badass lady. | ||
| It was unique and they didn't care. | ||
| Who wrote a play called Sex? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like in the 20s? | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| I'm surprised she didn't get arrested for that. | ||
| I think she did. | ||
| I mean, I think that's why she spent eight days in jail. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| That was what they arrested her for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was the official charge? | ||
| So much time. | ||
| The charge was kind of interesting. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks. | ||
| So much time hasn't passed since this shit's happened. | ||
| Like my grandpa was born. | ||
| Listen to what the charge was. | ||
| Giving a performance not tending to advance the morals of the spectators. | ||
| Whoa, man. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| She got arrested for giving a performance not tending to advance the morals of the spectators. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Because it was all backed by, like back in the day, it was all, everyone just was so, everyone was really religious, man, morally. | ||
| It was also, you could starve to death super easy back then. | ||
| Wait, why do you say that? | ||
| I mean, obviously, yep. | ||
| Wait, in the 20s? | ||
| Yeah, dude, that was the Great Depression. | ||
| I'm a dumbass. | ||
| To come out of the Depression, people... | ||
| 1927 was the Great Depression? | ||
| What year was the Great Depression? | ||
| I thought it was like... | ||
| 1919 or something? | ||
| Yeah, right around there. | ||
| So, people are still recovering from the Depression. | ||
| My grandmother kind of never recovered from it. | ||
| My grandmother used to, when she died, when they were cleaning out her house, they found coffee cans filled with money that was stuffed away in the walls. | ||
| Yeah, they were always worried. | ||
| 1929. Yeah, because the roaring 20s. | ||
| The roaring 20s and stuff from the 20s. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So this is exactly that time period that she made that play. | ||
| Which is wild, right? | ||
| Yeah, you would think people would want to go watch it. | ||
| Get their mind off being so depressed, man. | ||
| I don't think they had any money. | ||
| And I also think it was like a hopeless, helpless kind of depression where everything crashed all at once. | ||
| Like the banks collapsed. | ||
| Well, everyone was like, you know, what caused the Great Depression? | ||
| It was a stock market crash, right? | ||
| These motherfuckers have been monkeying around with numbers for a hundred years. | ||
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I know, right? | |
| They've been fucking everything up for that long. | ||
| Making insane amounts of money. | ||
| For that long, man. | ||
| Insane amounts of money. | ||
| Like, that game, that financial banker game, like, oof, those guys. | ||
| Being from Oklahoma, you hear a lot about the Dust Bowl and shit too, when the Great Depression came by, and I'm like, how much shit did people have to go through, man? | ||
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| Because it was like, I don't know, I'm not a historian, I'm sorry. | ||
| You're not? | ||
| No. | ||
| You hear shit about the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl hitting Oklahoma at once, and I'm like, bro, imagine complaining about how your coffee tastes, you know? | ||
| Like in the morning, for us, it's like... | ||
| These people would wake up and have to fucking be just in the Great Depression and lift their plate up. | ||
| It's just nuts to think about. | ||
| Bro, I mean, there's a great book, rather, a biography of this guy. | ||
| I think his name was Danny McGurdy. | ||
| I think it's called McGurdy, Life of a Pool Hustler. | ||
| And this guy was a pool hustler during the Depression. | ||
| And he talks about being so hungry, just knocking on people's doors and begging for food. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Going from town to town, being broke, trying to hustle people out of money. | ||
| He wrote a book. | ||
| He obviously succeeded at one point, right? | ||
| No, they wrote a biography of him. | ||
| I think a guy named Robert Byrne wrote the book. | ||
| Can you find it? | ||
| I have it at home. | ||
| I was telling you- But it's like, you're just, you're absorbing. | ||
| Like, those times were so desperate. | ||
| Hopeless. | ||
| Hopeless and desperate. | ||
| Which is a scary place to be, man. | ||
| It's surprising that more people, this is really dark to say, but it's surprising that more people just didn't go off the deep end and, like, just cared, you know? | ||
| I think I talked to you about it last time. | ||
| I'm fucking annoying man. | ||
| I tell my friends about this all the time like on the bus I lived in New York for a little bit and I lived like by the Empire State Building just because I wanted I thought I was some fucking I don't know I just wanted to get out of Oklahoma for a little bit and go somewhere that I've never been before so I moved to New York City and I lived by the Empire State Building and every morning I would look up and see the Empire State Building and one time my dad came and visited me and we went up and I was like I'm a dork when it comes to touristy stuff. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love New York shirts on, our hats. | ||
| And you're up. | ||
| Have you ever been in the Empire State Building? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They have that simulation where it's like you go in that floor and you see all these hardened men building and riveting the fucking beams. | ||
| And man, people were coming from... | ||
| Like Iowa and California, like wherever the hell. | ||
| Look at this guy adjusting that bolt. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| He's probably making a dollar a day. | ||
| People don't have this anymore, I don't think. | ||
| They don't have the thing where you're like, you're like struggling away and your family is whatever. | ||
| What kind of person that could do that? | ||
| This is like an athlete. | ||
| We talked about, there was a guy recently we talked about on the podcast that to this day fixes shit like that. | ||
| I don't know what country he was in. | ||
| I don't know if it was America or somewhere else, but this dude was climbing these fucking beams, these metal beams like an athlete. | ||
| I was watching him do it. | ||
| I'm like, I can't do that. | ||
| So not only is he skilled, but he's carrying tools and he can physically do things that I can't do. | ||
| I'm watching him climb. | ||
| Watch this guy. | ||
| Okay, well, there's another guy that's doing the same kind of thing. | ||
| Look, he's got a harness on. | ||
| The other guy didn't have a harness. | ||
| There's no way, like, regulations would let somebody do that in America. | ||
| It's probably somewhere else. | ||
| That is fucking wild. | ||
| You ever seen, like, linemen? | ||
| Oh, now he doesn't have a helmet. | ||
| People who work on lines and stuff, like the power lines and stuff. | ||
| My uncles did that growing up. | ||
| They have to go all the way up there? | ||
| That's why I wear Doug Martins, because my grandfather wore them and he would put his spikes on. | ||
| And my cousins and shit would just climb poles in 20 seconds. | ||
| They'd go up there and they're just touching shit that can kill them all day. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And they do that, man. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I was watching this, I don't know, it was a balloon or something that flew into these power lines and holy shit. | ||
| What, they explode or something? | ||
| They exploded. | ||
| I think it was mylar balloons or something like that. | ||
| They flew into these power lines. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| These are other balloons that are caught. | ||
| So this guy has to... | ||
| Imagine just thinking you have to touch that thing, even knowing that it's not going to get you. | ||
| Understanding how electricity works. | ||
| Just imagine wanting to be in contact with that amount of electricity. | ||
| Dude, you ever seen that guy who does it in Montana? | ||
| I don't know where it was, but he flies around on a helicopter and he gets in a basket and has his stick and he puts it out there. | ||
| For lightning? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, no, not for lightning, but he's fixing the... | ||
| People don't think about where the power comes, all the power. | ||
| He does it out of a helicopter? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's hanging off a helicopter, just messing with... | ||
| This is the exact thing, man. | ||
| I look this shit up because my uncles do it. | ||
| And I'm like, no fucking way, man. | ||
| So what is he doing? | ||
| Someone's got to fix them when they go down and stuff like that. | ||
| This is so wild, dude. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So this guy has to climb on these things? | ||
| It's a big economic thing in Oklahoma. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| He's going to climb in that? | ||
| What the fuck, bro? | ||
| And that thing will just kill you, man. | ||
| Dude, this is freaking out. | ||
| You know those Kevlar... | ||
| I don't know if this is right, man. | ||
| I'm not a lineman. | ||
| Look at that guy's going the other direction. | ||
| You know those Kevlar suits that shark people wear? | ||
| They wear the same thing, the metal thing, I think. | ||
| I don't know if it's the same shit, but... | ||
| So you don't get shocked. | ||
| Is that really going to stop you from getting shocked? | ||
| Well, it just prevents, it conducts a lot. | ||
| So it goes around your body as opposed to in it. | ||
| That's what that thing's doing? | ||
| I think. | ||
| That thin little cloth that you have? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| People do shit like that? | ||
| That's why those Empire State Building guys are so crazy to me. | ||
| One of those guys just died. | ||
| Some guy who was one of those climbing skyscraper daredevils. | ||
| In that photo where they're eating lunch? | ||
| No, it was, I don't know, someone, Kelly Slater just sent it to me. | ||
| Want me to send it to you? | ||
| That's why I don't get it. | ||
| I respect it a lot. | ||
| 30 years old. | ||
| He fell off a building. | ||
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Oh, that's so sad. | |
| He plunged 68 floors. | ||
|
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Bro! | |
| He was last seen knocking on window outside. | ||
| I wonder why he was knocking. | ||
| Because he wanted to get in. | ||
|
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Of course. | |
| He couldn't figure out how to get in. | ||
| He fucked up. | ||
|
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That's scary. | |
| Somebody closed the window. | ||
| He climbed out. | ||
| Somebody closed the fucking window. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I wouldn't be disrespectful. | ||
| I was wondering why he didn't just like... | ||
| I think. | ||
| I'm just guessing. | ||
| If he climbs up, did he climb? | ||
| I don't want to be disrespectful to a man. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't know if he just climbed out on the ledge. | ||
| That's my worst fear, bro. | ||
| You ever been on the... | ||
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Bro, my hands are so sweaty right now just looking at that. | |
| The Golden Gate Bridge. | ||
|
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Stop! | |
| Don't do this to me, Jamie. | ||
| I can't do it either. | ||
|
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Don't do this to me. | |
| I'm not a hot guy either. | ||
| Not now. | ||
| Not after that guy just fell. | ||
| Have some respect. | ||
| That's him? | ||
| That's what it says. | ||
| Don't show me this, dude. | ||
| Oh, that's sad. | ||
| Don't show me this. | ||
|
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That's crazy. | |
| Don't show me this. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I don't get rock climbers at all. | ||
| Bro, I've had Alex Honnold in a couple of times. | ||
| He's a fascinating guy. | ||
| I respect him. | ||
| I've watched all of his stuff. | ||
| And Jimmy Chin, I follow him on Instagram. | ||
| He's like always... | ||
| Not to take it away from Alex Honnold, but... | ||
| Dude, Jimmy Chin, I follow him on Instagram. | ||
| And all I see on his Instagram page is him just like... | ||
| Getting into Antarctica water and fucking skiing down mountains. | ||
| I'm like, bro, what is your... | ||
| You just do this, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's just doing nothing but wild shit. | ||
| Nothing but wild shit. | ||
| And I think that's beautiful. | ||
| And he has such amazing footage. | ||
| And it's so cool to me that people can just devote their lives to showing that kind of thing. | ||
| Did you ever see The Alpinist? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Sad. | ||
| Sad, but also, I mean... | ||
| Wild. | ||
| It's sad that his life... | ||
| It blew my mind. | ||
| Just the experience he had in the small amount of time that he was alive were so over the top to a normal person's life. | ||
| How old is Alex? | ||
| Alex Honnold, if I had to guess, what would you say, Jamie? | ||
| 32? | ||
| 37? | ||
| And he was like the alpinist. | ||
| I'm not comparing the two at all, but how old was the kid? | ||
| This kid was pretty young. | ||
| He was like 18 or something crazy. | ||
| Well, he was getting so bored with free solo climbing that he was ice pick climbing on glaciers. | ||
| So there was overhangs, like these massive ice overhangs. | ||
| The videos you see him where he was just... | ||
| And he's climbing up these fucking things. | ||
| You're either... | ||
| Dude, that is the craziest way to climb. | ||
| That's so insane. | ||
| Imagine the strength too, man. | ||
| Look at what he was doing. | ||
| He was doing this shit. | ||
| Wait, is this the alpinist commercial? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the... | ||
| I mean, he was climbing things that nobody was climbing. | ||
| And what stinks the most is... | ||
| Yeah, look at... | ||
| And he had, like, that girlfriend who, like, loved him so much, and she was so sweet about it. | ||
| She was like, it's what his passion is. | ||
| Dude, there's certain people that are just wired way different. | ||
| He did all that crazy shit, and he did such an amazing climb and things, and he was just with his buddy in Alaska doing a... | ||
| I don't know if this is true, but, like, a simpler climb. | ||
| And that's when he passed away, and I'm like, man, that's gotta be... | ||
| I don't know if it was simpler because they died in like an avalanche. | ||
| That's heartbreaking. | ||
| I think he was climbing some insane peak when he died. | ||
| I want to say it was in Argentina. | ||
| Where was it when he died? | ||
| I forget where it was, but it was crazy. | ||
| Like they couldn't retrieve his body. | ||
| I remember watching The Alpinist and watching the whole film and like at the end it was like... | ||
| It just hit you with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And at the end you're like, what? | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, what happened? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
|
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Oh, this is sad. | |
| It was Alaska. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So after summoning a new route in Alaska's Mendenhall Towers with partner Ryan Johnson, the pair sent messages to friends and family from the summit, but disappeared while descending after being hit by a storm. | ||
| Search and rescue teams discovered the ropes several days later in a crevasse near the base of the route, leading to speculation that the duo was struck by a falling rock. | ||
| I don't know what a cornice is or an avalanche while descending. | ||
| What you don't? | ||
| A cornice? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I got no idea. | ||
| Cornice? | ||
| Though the bodies were never recovered. | ||
| So they only found like ropes were a cornice. | ||
| That is so heartbreaking. | ||
| And they were trying to call the family and friends. | ||
| Massive hardened snow at the edge of a mountain precipice. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| Imagine just saying that in casual public. | ||
| Learn something new every day. | ||
| Expecting people to know what you mean. | ||
| Like, how pretentious. | ||
| That guy's an asshole, man. | ||
| That guy's an asshole. | ||
| That guy's talking down to you, man. | ||
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Yeah, I agree. | |
| For sure. | ||
| The worst kind of person. | ||
| A cornice. | ||
| Oh yeah, everybody knows that, bro. | ||
| Hey, man. | ||
| Everybody knows what that is. | ||
| This is what I know. | ||
| Common snow terms for a thousand. | ||
| I rock climbed like two times in my life, and I was like, I can't do this. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Are you scared of heights? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm fearful of dangerous things. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Heights are dangerous. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| Dude! | ||
| That's how you had to take the picture. | ||
| Oh my god, sir. | ||
| But like I was saying, man, these guys... | ||
| Look at that camera. | ||
| That camera's like a typewriter. | ||
| Who's the size of that goddamn thing? | ||
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Bro, I fear that we'll never get that ethic back, man. | |
| Slippery-ass leather shoes. | ||
| Who does shit like that anymore? | ||
| Who's that determined? | ||
| Human beings are... | ||
| They built the Empire State Building in two years. | ||
| Sorry for interrupting. | ||
| Sorry for interrupting. | ||
| No, did they really? | ||
| Two years, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, that's what I'm talking about, about the Empire State Building. | ||
| That was such a beautiful fucking dream and ethic and people from like Iowa and shit were like going to New York to build it because it was such a beacon of hope. | ||
| Hard times create hard men. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Hard men create easy times. | ||
| And it's so easy to think now, being in my position or whatever, like, oh man, I wish I had a... | ||
| Empire State Building to build, but sometimes I got a song on the new album called Tradesman. | ||
| Sometimes I wish, man, that I was like just doing something that gave purpose, you know, and obviously music does and it's amazing that I get to do what I get to do, but Yeah, one year and 45 days, less than two years, bro. | ||
| One year and a month? | ||
| When I saw that, dude. | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| Bro, and this is in the 30s, man! | ||
| Imagine how determined men had to be, bro. | ||
| Or women, like, too, but fucking A. Well, it was all men doing that construction. | ||
| Of course, but the people at home and things like that who were taking care of those guys. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And obviously I say that with respect, but... | ||
| What I'm saying, just the human beings that were involved in the actual maneuvering and construction of that thing, like, those are... | ||
| That's extraordinary human beings. | ||
| Hard, hard men, man, who like wouldn't stop for anything. | ||
| And they knew what they were doing. | ||
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How many of them died? | |
| How many people died during the construction of the Empire State Building? | ||
| They knew what they were doing was important. | ||
| Take a guess. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| How many died? | ||
| There's 3,400 working on it. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I thought you were going to give me the answer. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I'll give you something to build it off of. | ||
| 3,400. | ||
| 17 deaths. | ||
| 17? | ||
| Yeah, I say 17. 84. Whoa. | ||
| I'm going to say 84. Okay. | ||
| That's pretty high. | ||
| Five. | ||
| See? | ||
| That's even more incredible. | ||
| A lot of workers died in a slip and fall or struck by accidents over the 13 months of construction. | ||
| Slip and fall. | ||
| In the 30s, you would think they all fell off of there. | ||
| So in one year, four dudes fell from the sky and just splattered on the concrete. | ||
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Bro. | |
| And I wonder, I wonder. | ||
| And everybody else has to go to work the next day. | ||
| And they can't. | ||
| I feel like back in the day, people were like, hey, shut up. | ||
| Don't talk about it. | ||
| Because if they talked about it, I bet if they talked about it, people would be too scared to do it. | ||
| I think they just accepted the inevitability. | ||
| They were devoted, is what I'm trying to... | ||
| Being in the Navy and things like that, man, not to be that fucking guy, but... | ||
| You see, you have kids working for you, 18- and 19-year-old kids, and you see the... | ||
| Just how people work nowadays is a little bit different. | ||
| Same goes to me. | ||
| I'm not any better. | ||
| I'm just saying those people who are building the Empire State Building were so devoted to the one task at hand. | ||
| And they fucking did it in a year and 45 days. | ||
| Those are different humans. | ||
| They are, truly. | ||
| One of the first incidents occurred while the building was still under construction. | ||
| A worker who was fired from the job took his own life by jumping down an open elevator shaft. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| When was it built? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Same time period. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
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It opened in 1931, so there we go. | |
| What a beacon, man, for America. | ||
| Because that was the tallest building in New York, I think. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| To build that and be like, oh, yeah, Americans did that. | ||
| We did that, man. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Someone jumped from the 86th floor and didn't die. | ||
| A strong gust of wind blew her body back towards the building and she only fell like one floor. | ||
| Yo. | ||
| I'm good, man. | ||
| I'm not going anymore. | ||
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What? | |
| I'm not going anymore, man. | ||
| No, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Have you ever been to... | ||
| Just the sheer amount... | ||
| The lucky one. | ||
| But the gust of wind had to be coming up under her. | ||
| Was she lucky? | ||
| I wonder what she was like after. | ||
| It gets windy up high, I'll tell you that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But is it possible that like a hundred plus pound person could be slowed down by the wind to the point where they don't die? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It doesn't sound right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It seems off. | ||
| Never know, man. | ||
| You ever done it? | ||
| I have not. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Crazier shit's happened. | ||
| People have fallen out of planes and survived. | ||
| Like, sky jumper. | ||
| I mean, uh... | ||
| That just might have been a big ledge and she didn't, you know, she didn't jump out far enough. | ||
| You ever sky dove? | ||
| I said she landed on a three-foot ledge about 20 feet below. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So she fell 20 feet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it says she was on the 85th floor. | ||
| She jumped from 86 and landed on 85. Alright. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| I'm not discrediting the lucky one. | ||
| I mean, that's what this says. | ||
| I'm trying to find the year. | ||
| Oh, so she was found laying on the ledge. | ||
| See? | ||
| 85th floor ledge. | ||
| That is the lucky one. | ||
| I bet she was fine. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| One time I fell 35 feet, man. | ||
| That's far, man. | ||
| I broke both my wrists, both my collarbones. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And my buddy Graham, my guitarist now, I was like 15. He had to carry me up a mountain. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Not a mountain. | ||
| 35 feet ledge on a river. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| It was crazy. | ||
| It was a rope swing. | ||
| You ever do a rope swing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you can do a river? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Man, I thought I was so tough. | ||
| We were young. | ||
| There was girls there. | ||
| I'm like, man, I'm going to go to the tallest rung. | ||
| I'm going to do this. | ||
| Bunch of boys being boys. | ||
| And I climbed to the very top and tied it off. | ||
| And I went off. | ||
| Forgot to untie it. | ||
| Yeah, and just immediately stopped and rolled down like rocks and shit. | ||
| And I landed. | ||
| Man, this is why. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| But this is why. | ||
| One of the reasons why I like believe in God because I went and rolled and tumbled and my my head landed Exactly where we've been putting our feet all day long. | ||
| So it was indented So I bought like both my collarbones broke because I landed in that hole and it hit like that It was crazy and I got up and I didn't even feel it. | ||
| I was in so much shock And I went to climb up and my wrist popped out. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| It was nuts, man. | ||
| I'll never forget it. | ||
| So you had both arms? | ||
| My sophomore year in high school, man, I had like two casts. | ||
| I was in a wheelchair. | ||
| Yeah, it was crazy. | ||
| How long did you have to keep them on for? | ||
| One of my arms was in a cast for like three months and the other one was like, I think, probably like two, two weeks, three weeks. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I'll never forget it, man. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it wild how when you get injured, you so appreciate not being injured. | ||
| You don't realize- When you're running, when I'm running a lot, sometimes I get this weird fucking feeling of like, oh man, you got legs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is cool. | ||
| This is cool. | ||
| And obviously I mean that with sensitivity to anyone who can't run or anything, but sometimes I'm running, I'm like, wow, this is so beautiful that we can use our fucking legs and things like that to move. | ||
| Yeah, if you're an able-bodied person, you're super lucky. | ||
| You're solely like.005% of whatever. | ||
| Well, people realize it once they get injured. | ||
| Once they get injured, that's when they start going, oh my god, I'm vulnerable. | ||
| Like, I could be in pain all the time from this thing now. | ||
| Yeah, like any time I've ever been sick, I felt like that too. | ||
| I'm like, man, I can't believe we're just in a constant state of like, I guess at a younger age, being okay. | ||
| And what we were talking about earlier, like working out as much as you can. | ||
| Because old age is scary and I'm 27, but when I think about being older and I think about like arthritis and like all the shit that happens, like your parents, like our parents, when they get sick and stuff, it's like our grandparents. | ||
| Man, you got to take advantage of it now. | ||
| Yeah, no matter who you are, when you're 98, you're fucked. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't that scare you? | ||
| Like, what's the most fit 98-year-old person? | ||
| Find the most fit 98-year-old person. | ||
| I saw this video the other day of a 102-year-old climbing Yosemite, and he climbed it with his granddaughter, and I was like, whoa, that's crazy. | ||
| I used to think I was going to be a goner by like 40. Not in a dark way, but... | ||
| Maybe if they want to die, why not die doing something they love? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's how a lot of people feel about a lot of stuff. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Did you ever see the documentary Dirtbag? | ||
| It's about this famous climber who was just like this legendary climber. | ||
| I forget his name, but he basically just like slept in sleeping bags and slept on people's couches. | ||
| He didn't give a fuck about anything but climbing. | ||
| And mapping out his climbing roots. | ||
| And had these detailed maps of the roots. | ||
| It's Fred Becki. | ||
| And no one can say he was wrong, which is crazy. | ||
| Play some of this, because in the beginning it's really interesting to hear him talk. | ||
| In the beginning, hear him talk. | ||
| In my head I thought he was young. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| What's that, Jamie? | ||
| There was some music and shit still going on. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I can listen to that song again, man. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| To live the life that he's wanted to live. | ||
| Yo. | ||
| So this dude was like old as fuck. | ||
| He created his own culture. | ||
| He became a culture of one. | ||
| Sick video, wow. | ||
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His name is everywhere. | |
| He was there before the rest of us were. | ||
| That's sick. | ||
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He knows more about the mountains of North America than anyone has ever lived. | |
| One track mind most of the time. | ||
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It wasn't on women, it was on climbing. | |
| Fred was lively and addictive. | ||
| There's some sort of magnetism there. | ||
| Right now, I don't know what I'm doing except tomorrow. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| As kids, we were together all the time. | ||
| Our relationship deteriorated, because he continued to climb, and I did not climb anymore. | ||
| Fred was only focused on climbing, and he never felt sorry for you. | ||
| If you're climbing, you ended up in a divorce. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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Totally obsessive. | |
| That's who Fred is. | ||
| Did he just sleep on the ground? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Everywhere. | ||
| Some people may think it's an adventure to go on a cruise ship to the Mediterranean. | ||
| To me, it's no adventure at all. | ||
| Somebody bombs the ship. | ||
| Contemporaries, they founded companies. | ||
| They were like movie stars for a while. | ||
| Imagine how many people are like this. | ||
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Why did the best climber of all never go on to the greatness that they all did? | |
| He's a dirtbag. | ||
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And because of that, I don't think he'll get the recognition that he really deserves. | |
| It's a really good documentary. | ||
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That's insane. | |
| I can't recommend it enough. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| It was a few years ago I saw it. | ||
| I don't know what year it came out. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Six years ago? | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| He sleeps on the ground. | ||
| What's weird to think about is... | ||
| He just never stopped wanting to do that one thing. | ||
| And for some reason, that haunts people. | ||
| Is that a bad thing or a good thing you think? | ||
| Here's what's weird. | ||
| If you saw him sleeping on the ground like that and he was 20 years old, you go, oh, you know, he's a kid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's living his life. | ||
| Why is it when you see him when he's 70 years old like that, is it so sad? | ||
| Because we have a thing everyone has to abide by in our lives, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I think is, I don't know, I think it's good for us. | ||
| It's good to have that thing? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's good to like evolve past that. | ||
| Not if you're that guy. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| That's what I was asking. | ||
| Like, who knows what's right? | ||
| I think we have to realize that everyone is not wired the same, no matter what we think. | ||
| And everyone thinks everyone should be. | ||
| Yeah, everyone thinks that everyone should be wired exactly the way they are. | ||
| And then when they aren't, they're pissed. | ||
| Yeah, it's just not the case. | ||
| They want to control. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't work that way. | ||
| Want to control, yeah. | ||
| That's how I feel with... | ||
| Everything sometimes that's why I get so frustrated with people because everything I do someone has an opinion or whatever and I'm like this seems like you just want me to be Who I'm not. | ||
| When it comes to these sorts of things. | ||
| That's just, you're probably, if I had to guess, you're probably taking in too many opinions. | ||
| Of course, man. | ||
| You know, you should probably have as little opinions coming in as possible. | ||
| I think you know what you're doing. | ||
| Deal. | ||
| Deal. | ||
| Isn't it crazy, man? | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Just stay away from other people's ideas. | ||
| But also, like, I feel like people didn't grow up in this. | ||
| I feel like people, this is a whole new world now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, when I was talking to, uh... | ||
| When I was talking to Travis, I respect him after talking to him and things like that. | ||
| And we were talking and he was telling me about all these things and I was like... | ||
| Indifferently, I was like, man, I feel like we live in two different realms of music and things like that. | ||
| Because I feel like the world's so different now from when the whole Nashville scene was back then. | ||
| And it's just funny to get to talk to other people and hear about their experiences and how they... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What's the big difference? | ||
| I feel like radio was a huge thing. | ||
| It might still be, but I feel like radio was a really really big deal back in the day. | ||
| And it's still a big deal, but it's becoming smaller and smaller and smaller. | ||
| Yeah, nobody really... | ||
| I mean, I'm sure some people do, but the amount of people that listen to radio now has to be... | ||
| I've been surprised by it lately, because I've been going to the lake and stuff. | ||
| I've been going to birthday parties and things, and I've heard a lot of radio, and I'm like, oh wait, I guess people still listen to the radio. | ||
| Can you make radio sound good? | ||
| Like, it was always like a lower quality signal, right, Jamie? | ||
| They have what they call HD radio now, but it's still using the same technology, you know? | ||
| It's still spreading out radio waves. | ||
| But is it as good sounding as like... | ||
| It's streaming. | ||
| XM sounds better, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then streaming's the best sound. | ||
| Yeah, it's all compression. | ||
| Do people really care, though? | ||
| Most don't. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people don't even realize it. | ||
| They just want to hear it loud. | ||
| Turn it up. | ||
| That's crazy about, like, writing music and stuff like that, because... | ||
| The first records and stuff, they were so bad. | ||
| We recorded on this kind of microphone. | ||
| And we didn't know what we were doing, so everything just kind of sounded shitty. | ||
| But it renewed my faith in humanity because no one gave a shit. | ||
| They were like, no, these are good songs, man. | ||
| We like them. | ||
| It's authentic. | ||
| Yeah, it was cool. | ||
| There's something to be said for things being not that professional. | ||
| You know, it's like it shows you more of who the person is. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah, as long as it's legit. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| The worst thing is fake authenticity. | ||
| You say you say that but like there's like all the rate Man I don't think people give a shit man That much, at least. | ||
| The songs on the radio and things like that, they're all... | ||
| Well, there's two different things going on, I think. | ||
| There's people that are making songs that they think are going to be hits, and then there's people that are making songs because they want to create something special. | ||
| I think there's two different things that are happening. | ||
| And some people are really good at that one thing, where they make hits, and they make these kind of catchy songs, and maybe they don't resonate with you, but they resonate with enough people that they become real successful. | ||
| But it's like, you know, it gets to all kinds of different levels. | ||
| Like it gets to like the Milli Vanilli level, right? | ||
| Where they created a fake band and they had these guys go out and lip-sync it. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I feel like it was more acceptable back in the day. | ||
| I feel like people are really hitting on the whole realness thing nowadays. | ||
| When back in the day I feel like there were just mega stars who just did whatever. | ||
| Like all the lip-syncing and things. | ||
| Do people still do that today? | ||
| Some people do, right? | ||
| I think. | ||
| Like, I've seen... | ||
| Oh, didn't Cardi B throw a microphone? | ||
| She got very angry. | ||
| She had two microphones, though, I saw. | ||
| Was the music still playing? | ||
| Yeah, she was rapping, if you will, over her track without the vocals taken out, which they do sometimes. | ||
| It's very, yeah, it's very, like, it's very gray. | ||
| It's like a gray area for me, but I don't... | ||
| It doesn't make sense to me, because when I play... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Is that why the girl threw the drink at her? | ||
| No, but they also, like... | ||
| Getting way too deep. | ||
| Some contracts, they might not pay for you to do the real performance. | ||
| They might just pay for that, and you have a different fee for that performance kind of thing. | ||
| Because it's still less... | ||
| Risky? | ||
| Less of a big thing for them. | ||
| Yeah, less risky. | ||
| They're not... | ||
| It was like daytime in Vegas... | ||
| Do people get mad when you do that? | ||
| In Vegas, in the daytime party, why would you? | ||
| You're just happy that they're there. | ||
| Do you remember when there was a girl who got caught doing that on Saturday Night Live? | ||
| That's what I was talking about when I brought it up. | ||
| The whole conspiracies behind lip syncing and stuff. | ||
| Today, production is so fucking in everything that people will just say they're like, it's a backtrack. | ||
| When in reality, it's a lot of their performance. | ||
| And there's a word for it now, so it's okay. | ||
| I think, man. | ||
| I've never, like, dove into it or anything. | ||
| But it kind of sucks when I got my boys up there, like, busting their ass, fucking trying to hit every single note right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is a lot of beautiful bands who still do that to this day. | ||
| But you hear about, like, a lot of, like, click tracks and shit in, like, your in-ears. | ||
| And it's like, oh, man, we rehearsed a lot to make this sound... | ||
| Almost as good as that, you know, it's a playback track or whatever. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's a weird controversy, I guess, with people, right? | ||
| And I forget words all the time, which is crazy. | ||
| Like I was at a festival like two weeks ago and I was playing in front of fucking 25-30,000 people and I was playing and I literally blanked on it and I had no, I had nothing. | ||
| I got nothing. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| What'd you do? | ||
| I just said, hey, I'm gonna restart it. | ||
| I forgot the words. | ||
| And people were like, yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me, but it's such fucking... | ||
| It blows people's minds. | ||
| I'm like, no, I'm singing this stuff. | ||
| Well, it's also cool for the people, too, because you get to see something that's rare. | ||
| You know, it's not just a regular performance. | ||
| Which is silly. | ||
| Dude, people are so inhuman to me when it comes to watching people perform. | ||
| I'm like, how the fuck... | ||
| How are they doing it, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because when I'm performing, I'm like going crazy in my head. | ||
| I'm like, don't forget it. | ||
| Don't forget it. | ||
| You get it, you got it, you got it. | ||
| Have you ever taken anything from memory, like nootropics or anything like that? | ||
| You know what those are? | ||
| Budweiser every time. | ||
| Budweiser will do a different thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if Budweiser's bad for your memory, but I don't think it's good. | ||
| Can't be. | ||
| The other guy Huberman said it kills you. | ||
| Yeah, it's relaxing you. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| But there's a bunch of different things that are called nootropics, and they're vitamins and nutrients that you can take that actually help your memory. | ||
| They help brain function. | ||
| My buddy Austin, he takes them all the time. | ||
| He makes it a huge deal when he does too. | ||
| He makes a big deal out of it? | ||
| He jokes about it, man. | ||
| He'll take one and be like, hey guys, I'm on it right now. | ||
| I can do anything you want. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| But I've never felt like I needed to. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I've done a pretty good job of remembering every word I've ever written when it comes to being on stage. | ||
| But not even just for that. | ||
| It's like it increases whatever the fuck is going on in your head when you're conscious. | ||
| You know how you're awake and you're alive, but you vary day by day. | ||
| You vary in how well you can talk, you vary in how well you think, you vary in how much energy you have. | ||
| What nootropics do for me is they can To get you to a point where there's less of the negative and much more of the communicating and being able to think and being able to remember things at the peak of your abilities. | ||
| You want to be closest to that. | ||
| We joked about taking one before I came on here. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you want to take more than one? | ||
| I think six at a time, those alpha brains. | ||
| Everyone likes being quick-witted when it comes to just speaking and communicating and things like that. | ||
| I just like my brain working better. | ||
| Sometimes you feel fucking foggy. | ||
| That's what I mean when I said I forgot the fucking song that I've sang a thousand times. | ||
| And you do it and you feel like an idiot. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| And every time I get off stage, I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| But that's touring, too, right? | ||
| You're getting worn out, man. | ||
| Yeah, I think so, too. | ||
| How many months have you been? | ||
| What's the longest run you've done? | ||
| At the beginning of the year, when you saw us in Austin, Two Step In started our Europe run into the May run, which was like 60 days. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It was absolutely insane at the end of it. | ||
| We ended at Railbird in Kentucky, and I just laid in the grass, and I was like, thank God. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| But then you see fucking Mick Jagger and stuff doing it, and you're like, man, why am I complaining? | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| You know, you're like, get on stage, bro. | ||
| I don't think Mick drinks anymore. | ||
| That checks. | ||
| I've been there, too. | ||
| It's been a weird conflict in my head, because... | ||
| I don't like take anything. | ||
| I don't like take pills or anything. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Getting on stage is scary. | ||
| I mean like normal pills, like beta blockers. | ||
| They keep you from freaking out. | ||
| Have you ever taken those? | ||
| No. | ||
| I've always wondered. | ||
| I've just lied to you. | ||
| I've taken them one time and I took them and I was like, this feels weird, man. | ||
| I'm not like in it. | ||
| Because I get really bad stage fright. | ||
| Super bad stage fright. | ||
| But then as soon as I'm on stage, I'm like, oh, this is sick. | ||
| I don't know where it comes from. | ||
| So it's right before? | ||
| Every time. | ||
| Just before. | ||
| And my whole body locks up, and I'm like, you can't do this, you can't do that. | ||
| Oh, shit, we're doing it. | ||
| Oh, okay, cool. | ||
| And then I'm doing it, and I'm like, why are you freaking out? | ||
| I think it's just because you love what you do and you want to do it great. | ||
| Yeah, nervousness is a good thing. | ||
| I think there's a certain amount of nervousness is a good thing. | ||
| And I'm grateful for it. | ||
| Yeah, it puts you on edge. | ||
| Truly, it's nice. | ||
| Because your performance is like, when I saw you live, you're so hyped up, man. | ||
| So it was really exciting. | ||
| It was really fun. | ||
| And if you have to be nervous before every show to accomplish that... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I just want to be hungry, man. | ||
| I don't miss it because I still am, but I just always want to feel that. | ||
| I always want to feel like I'm proving something every single time. | ||
| You can keep that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And it's been beautiful to see that over the last three years because I thought at this point I'd be like, oh, screw it, man. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| I think if you love what you do, you can keep it. | ||
| I think there's just... | ||
| As you're going to get more and more successful, it's going to get more complicated. | ||
| Your life will get more complicated. | ||
| It gets more intertwined and it gets more public. | ||
| And you're, you know, you're going to experience a lot of success. | ||
| And when you experience a lot of success, then it becomes weird. | ||
| And then you have to readjust constantly to this new way of life. | ||
| Readjust this new, you know, new amount of pressure that people have on you. | ||
| To adapt. | ||
| To adapt. | ||
| It's crazy to think, man, I remember like when it all first started, I was like, oh, this is it. | ||
| I did it. | ||
| And it was like two months in. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| I got a steak dinner bought for me by like a label or something. | ||
| I was like, man, if all I get from this is steak dinner, then I did it. | ||
| And it's just, it's been really beautiful to like watch it unfold and see how it all worked out. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's absolutely crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it is a crazy story, right? | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| And being in the Navy for like nine years beforehand is even crazy because no one ever talks about that. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I busted my ass, man. | ||
| I was like in Africa and fucking Bahrain and stuff, and I was like... | ||
| What'd you do in Africa and Bahrain? | ||
| I was a... | ||
| This is a crazy story in itself, but... | ||
| I won't tell the whole thing. | ||
| Tell the whole thing. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Open a second Bud Light and let's go. | ||
| Like I said about my dad, he was in the Navy for like 25 years. | ||
| So I was, uh, hey, man. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| Hey, man. | ||
| Uh, dork, bro. | ||
| I've always loved Dressed Blues though. | ||
| That is sick. | ||
| You ever heard that song Dressed Blues by Isabel? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| But my dad was in the Navy for like 25 years and my mom was in the Navy. | ||
| Like I said earlier, my grandpa was in the Navy. | ||
| And so growing up when I was like 14 years old, I was like, man, I'm gonna be in the Navy. | ||
| That's all I want to do. | ||
| I want to like die for this country, man. | ||
| It's the best country in the world. | ||
| I want to be in it. | ||
| I want to experience that whole like Empire State Building thing where you're devoted to something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I turned 17 and my dad was a recruiter in Oklahoma and I was like, okay, cool. | ||
| So he like helped me get recruited and I was supposed to go in the Navy as a diver. | ||
| But, shit fell through. | ||
| My dad was like, it'll be fine. | ||
| You'll get to boot camp, and they'll ask you if you want to be a diver. | ||
| And then you can just say yes, and it'll be fine. | ||
| So I was like, okay, sick. | ||
| I was like, get on a fucking bus, and I'm like, let's do this. | ||
| And I was nervous. | ||
| I was scared, man. | ||
| I was terrified, because as, like, a kid, you don't really know what to expect in the military. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| I like end up at boot camp, which is crazy. | ||
| And I was terrified. | ||
| And then I realized it was all just kind of routine and stuff like that. | ||
| And I got out of boot camp. | ||
| Actually, no, that's not the whole story. | ||
| I was trying to be a diver. | ||
| And one day they were like, hey, you're going to get to You're gonna get to reclass what you're doing. | ||
| And they gave me, like, two options. | ||
| And it was, like, be a Master at Arms, which is like a cop in the military, or be an aviation ordnance man, which is, like, the dudes who, like, load the bombs and things on planes. | ||
| And I was pissed at my dad. | ||
| I was like, what the hell, man? | ||
| I thought you said I was gonna get to be a diver. | ||
| I called him. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you suck, man. | ||
| And so my buddies were all AOs, which in the Navy they're all fucking made fun of because they're all like big old dumb idiots. | ||
| And then I became an AO and I went to A school to be an AO. And it was amazing, man. | ||
| I met some of those beautiful people I've ever met. | ||
| I've learned more than I've ever learned. | ||
| But while I got stationed in Nebraska, and I hate this, I'm not going to oversell this because I don't want to sound tough, but I trained to be a CO for like two years with this guy named Senior Chief Lundquist out of Omaha, Nebraska. | ||
| I trained really, really hard. | ||
| I took a bunch of these PSTs and I would call my mom every day. | ||
| She would ask me how far I ran, how far I swam, how much I lifted and shit. | ||
| I don't take it lightly either. | ||
| I'm not tough. | ||
| It never happened. | ||
| But I wanted to go to Bud's really bad because, like I said, I wanted to do something that was greater than myself. | ||
| And then the day my package came back for the SEAL, the BUDS thing, my mom had died. | ||
| And I was like, well, fuck. | ||
| Man, this sucks. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| And all the while I was in AO. And I hated it. | ||
| I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| Now I gotta be an ordinance man. | ||
| When she passed away, I was like, man, I don't want to do that. | ||
| I don't really want to pursue that. | ||
| So I bitched out, for sure. | ||
| And I wish I wouldn't have sometimes, but life is crazy. | ||
| My chief, who's high-ranking, he looked at me and was like, man, you want to go out there and die or something? | ||
| Why do you want to do this so bad? | ||
| And I was like, I guess you're right. | ||
| And It's one of those stories in my life where I look back and I'm like, man, if things would have been different, what would have happened? | ||
| But she passed away, and then I moved to Washington to be an ordinance man. | ||
| And as soon as I fucking landed in Washington, they sent me to the desert, this Bahraini desert, to learn how to build missiles and load missiles. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And it was sick, man. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| So you had to build missiles as in load them or as in disassemble and reassemble? | ||
| And this is different from EOD. There's Explosive Ordnance Disposal, and then there's AOs, which AOs are kind of just like the little tiny baby cousin of... | ||
| Not even. | ||
| They're not even connected. | ||
| EOD, they're some badass guys. | ||
| AOs are just the dude to build, load, arm, and de-arm the bombs that are on the planes that are taking off. | ||
| Just build bombs. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Yeah, it's cool, man. | ||
| It's neat. | ||
| But fucking... | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So I was in the desert, man. | ||
| I was fucking like 19 years old. | ||
| Like, oh shit. | ||
| Okay, I'm here. | ||
| And I was a sand sailor for sure. | ||
| I never was on a ship. | ||
| And so that was my first deployment and I fell in love with it. | ||
| I wanted to do it like always. | ||
| I was like, this is amazing. | ||
| I had this really great gunner. | ||
| Gunner is like your officer above you. | ||
| And he just inspired me so much to be the best that I could be like every day. | ||
| So I'd go into work and be... | ||
| Dude, I was a fucking kiss ass, like in the Navy. | ||
| Everyone hated me because I was like, let's do it. | ||
| Let's go to war, man. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| And we were just doing simple shit like eating dinner, you know? | ||
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And... | |
| But I fell in love with it and I wanted to do it forever. | ||
| And so... | ||
| We would like launch planes out and like do the keys and shit to arm the missiles that took off and things like that. | ||
| And I forgot what your damn question was. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| Like at the very beginning. | ||
| I don't remember what the exact question was either. | ||
| Oh yeah, just being in the Navy in general. | ||
| What were we talking about? | ||
| We were talking about something in specific. | ||
| You had a specific story. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then I said I didn't want to tell the whole story. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Oh, I was just saying that I was in for like nine years and no one ever talks about that shit now. | ||
| And then I went to Djibouti, Africa, which was crazy. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I asked you about Africa and I asked you about Bahrain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what started it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I was in Africa for like, dude, I've been in Africa for like a year of my life. | ||
| I was deployed there twice. | ||
| And it's like, I loved every second of it because I'd wake up at 5am every morning and like go eat breakfast, go like load your plane, go eat lunch. | ||
| What part of Africa were you in? | ||
| Djibouti. | ||
| And where's that? | ||
| The horn? | ||
| It's like right on the edge, either top or... | ||
| I'm gonna sound like an idiot. | ||
| Was there a lot of wildlife? | ||
| No, we were stuck on the bass. | ||
| The whole time. | ||
| You can't even go off the bass. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's called Camp Lumineer. | ||
| But it's cool, though, because there's like eight gyms, man, and like food. | ||
| That's all you do, and you're as happy as fuck because it's so simple. | ||
| That is wild. | ||
| And you go to breakfast, work out, go do your job, work out. | ||
| That's what it looks like there? | ||
| No way. | ||
| Not where you were, probably. | ||
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Yeah, man. | |
| A little shittier where we were, man. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| And so you're just on the bass, and that's it. | ||
| Yeah, and then every morning, whether there's cluster bombs or whatever, you'd go... | ||
| Assemble them or load them and shit and it was it was really crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and then Like I said one day I just like ended up like it was overnight one day I just went to fucking Jacksonville, Florida and was playing my guitar on Twitter and it like Blew up and then my chief was like, hey, man, it's crazy. | ||
| You got a fucking This is a this is a conflict of interest man famous. | ||
| Yeah, I was like I Think they were scared that I would show up to work and just be like Fuck you guys, man. | ||
| I don't need this. | ||
| It never happened. | ||
| I would never do that because I was so devoted to being in the Navy. | ||
| They thought they were losing all power over you. | ||
| Exactly, which is crazy to think about, man. | ||
| And I had this fucking... | ||
| My gunner one day comes up to me and he's like, hey, man, this is getting crazy. | ||
| You've got to get out of the Navy. | ||
| I'm like, okay, whatever. | ||
| Do I have to? | ||
| And he's like, yeah. | ||
| And I was like, I'd rather not. | ||
| And he's like, okay, too bad. | ||
| And then he was like, okay, you'll be out of the Navy next week. | ||
| And I'm like, that's crazy. | ||
| Alright, been doing this for eight years now. | ||
| And then it took eight months. | ||
| To process me out of the Navy. | ||
| And it was crazy because every day I would go into work and think like, oh, this is my last day in the Navy. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| For eight months. | ||
| This is my last day. | ||
| You got to work as hard as you possibly can, man. | ||
| Make it count. | ||
| And every day I'd go in and just bust my ass. | ||
| And then, dude, like six months in, I'm like, I'm in the fucking Navy forever, man. | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Is that just standard for paperwork? | ||
| It's never happened. | ||
| It's never, I think, don't quote me, but Elvis Presley was the last guy who got honorably discharged out to make music. | ||
| And I'm not being arrogant in that either. | ||
| I think that's true. | ||
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Damn. | |
| It just never happens like that. | ||
| There's been a lot of stuff with NFL players who are at the academy, the Naval Academy, who are really good at football and getting drafted to the NFL. They have to get transferred out and stuff like that. | ||
| But it's never happened. | ||
| Joe shit the rag man. | ||
| A-O like me. | ||
| And that's when I knew it. | ||
| Dude, when my gunner called me that day and he's like, pack your bags. | ||
| I was like, holy f- oh, this is that serious. | ||
| I called my dad. | ||
| I thought he was going to be disappointed because he was a Master Chief and stuff. | ||
| And I was supposed to be a Master Chief. | ||
| My dad had like a bottle of whiskey when I was a kid that said Master Chief Brian on it for me when I made Master Chief. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I thought when I called my dad, he'd be disappointed, but he was like, hey man, come home. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| And I thought it would flop. | ||
| I thought it'd be nothing in the year. | ||
| But you were already successful online. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But I still never played a show or anything. | ||
| Do you remember your first one? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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What was it? | |
| It was the pageant in St. Louis, Missouri. | ||
| How many people? | ||
| It wasn't the very first one. | ||
| This is unfair to say. | ||
| My best friends in Washington when I was in the Navy, I used to play at this place called... | ||
| I used to play, like, shitty acoustic sets at this place called, um... | ||
| Off the Hook. | ||
| Where, like, all the sailors went, like, on the weekends and shit. | ||
| They had, like... | ||
| And my best friends, Austin and Kramer, they used to come to the bar and watch me, these two fucking dudes, just looking at me play. | ||
| And every time I'd finish a song, they'd clap for me, man, because they're real friends, you know? | ||
| And that was, like, the very first show I ever played. | ||
| But the pageant in St. Louis, I got out of the Navy and, um... | ||
| Here's what's weird for me, because musicians have a... | ||
| I'm talking way too much. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| No, you're not at all. | ||
| Musicians have usually a pipeline, which drives me crazy. | ||
| I don't know why, but they have a pipeline of like, oh man, I played small bars, and then I played bigger small bars, and then I played the... | ||
| Bigger, bigger small bars. | ||
| Then I went to medium venues, and then I went to bigger medium venues. | ||
| And they have this, like, thing where they're proud of it, of course. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Which I would be, too. | ||
| That's a journey. | ||
| But when I got out of the Navy, I was already, like, there. | ||
| So I like hopped on a fucking tour bus, like, hey, you're going to the pageant in St. Louis. | ||
| How many people is that? | ||
| I think 2,000, 2,500. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Which was crazy for me, because I never played a show, and people blame me a lot for this show. | ||
| Like, they get mad at me. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, I didn't fucking do this. | ||
| I didn't mean for this to happen. | ||
| Why are they mad at you? | ||
| I agree, and it freaks me out too. | ||
| I wish I could just talk to people and be like, hey man, this is all. | ||
| There's a phrase that I've heard that I've repeated way too much, but I'm going to say it one more time. | ||
| I forget who said this, but we'll look it up. | ||
| All criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. | ||
| So people who feel like they should be you. | ||
| I was thinking about that before I got here. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to that. | ||
| There's something to what you do with your energy. | ||
| If you're a big ol' hater. | ||
| Marshall Rosenberg, father of non-violent communication, said that every criticism, judgment, diagnosis, and expression of anger is the tragic expression of an unmet need. | ||
| Peace requires that we develop the skills to recognize the needs, feelings, and values that influence our perspective so that we can respond. | ||
| I forget, it's not what the rest of the article says. | ||
| That's just the highlight. | ||
| But whatever it is, oh, so we respond appropriately. | ||
| Often we react to situations and people that push our buttons instead of recognizing that our emotions are simply a guide to uncovering the unmet needs inside. | ||
| Instead of looking outwards in blame and judgment, Self-awareness helps us see our role in each interaction. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| And I get that, but you're like empathetic to those people. | ||
| You can't be empathetic to someone who's mad at you because you're successful. | ||
| I learned the hard way. | ||
| We did a whole bunch of shit with ticketing and stuff like that. | ||
| We tried our best, actually. | ||
| As a man, I was like, okay, I'm going to fix this problem, man. | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| I remember we were having a conversation on the phone about it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I was like, man, it's me. | ||
| I'll be the guy. | ||
| I'm gonna do this. | ||
| And then I did it, and it was just... | ||
| Theo was on the video and stuff for it. | ||
| I, like, put out the scalpers. | ||
| I was like, I'm gonna make everyone register. | ||
| We're gonna show IDs at the venue. | ||
| Tickets are gonna be 150 bucks, no matter what. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| Fucking backfired on me. | ||
| Because people were just so angry at me about it, and I was just trying to do the right thing. | ||
| And so it kind of... | ||
| Was everybody angry at you? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Or were some of the people happy with you? | ||
| Of course... | ||
| Hard to tell. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| And that's why in that Dunbar's number, those five close confidants, those are the ones you need to be able to have a conversation with about that kind of shit. | ||
| And that's the thing about my life, which is so crazy, is because I have so many people that are so close to me and they know why I do what I do and the feelings that I feel and why I'm... | ||
| Why I try so hard and why I do this, why I do that. | ||
| Same with everyone's life. | ||
| But it's hard, I think, to be a figure or a big figure. | ||
| Say one thing to those people and then the public eye sees something else. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it's like, damn. | ||
| Tried my hardest, you know. | ||
| It was crazy, man. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| It was like psychotic. | ||
| Like we're saying, though, there's always going to be someone that's upset. | ||
| And if you have people upset at you, even if it's a small percentage of the people, that feeling is magnified. | ||
| It feels way worse. | ||
| But even if their feelings are valid, though, too. | ||
| Like that small amount of people whose feelings are like that. | ||
| I have that problem. | ||
| It depends on what we're talking about. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| It depends on what we're talking about. | ||
| I mean, sometimes it's valid, but sometimes it's just a pure expression of that paragraph that that guy wrote. | ||
| Yeah, very, very true. | ||
| It could be that because there's – a lot of people are upset because they didn't figure it out and they didn't get the breaks they thought they deserved and they didn't get opportunities or they got a bad roll of the dice in terms of like their life and where they grew up and And they get really angry when they see someone who hits the lottery. | ||
| And some people hit the lottery. | ||
| I think most people respect a long grind to be like the Rolling Stones. | ||
| Like, if you're the Rolling Stones, how can you not respect that? | ||
| The guy's 80. He's up there doing concerts and killing it. | ||
| And probably when they were a younger band, they fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Grinded and grinded and grinded. | ||
|
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For sure. | |
| Like I was saying earlier with those small venues, those medium venues and things like that. | ||
| So nobody would hate on the Rolling Stones. | ||
| No. | ||
| But someone would hate on you. | ||
| Because you're new. | ||
| So it's this new thing. | ||
| With this guy, like, he didn't even have to try that hard. | ||
| He didn't even play the small board. | ||
| This motherfucker was in the Navy. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| I've been on the fucking road since I was 12. And people forget, man, about the fucking, like, four or five hours a night I spent after a shift in the Navy, like... | ||
| Doing the shit, writing songs, getting good at writing songs. | ||
| People forget that it takes a lot to be a good writer. | ||
| You know, and I'm not talking under my ass. | ||
| I'm saying that that's one thing in this life that I know that I've earned. | ||
| Because I've written so many things. | ||
| And I've had so many shitty songs that I've like... | ||
| And I'm like, come on. | ||
| Do you write pen to paper? | ||
| Or do you write with a laptop or a computer? | ||
| Pen to paper. | ||
| I have fucking 70 notebooks in my truck right now. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Because I just... | ||
| Do you store them? | ||
| Do you store them like images of them or anything? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it's kind of cool. | ||
| It is cool. | ||
| It's very cool. | ||
| It's not fucking... | ||
| Super valuable. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Last year I had a buddy. | ||
| We were at the studio in Times Square and he had this backpack on. | ||
| My notebook. | ||
| Four of my notebooks were in it. | ||
| With like every... | ||
| I don't know if I should say this, but... | ||
| Like every song I'd written in the last two years. | ||
| Dude, that's scary. | ||
| Left it. | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| No! | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| Oh my god, did you freak? | ||
| Middle of New York City, yeah, I was terrified. | ||
| That's why I don't know if I should say it. | ||
| Someone's gonna fucking go on a scavenger hunt and look for it. | ||
| Find your fucking songs. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And try to sell them back to you. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Maybe you can get, like, a reward. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Put out a reward. | ||
| Maybe some kid... | ||
| How long ago was this? | ||
| Uh... | ||
| November? | ||
| Last year? | ||
| Homeless people wipe their ass with those songs. | ||
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I know, man. | |
| Exactly, man. | ||
| Think about that, bro. | ||
| I wonder if it... | ||
| Imagine if there was like a fucking super hit song. | ||
| I think about it all the time. | ||
| Like something in the orange. | ||
| And it's out there and some homeless guy's wiping his ass with it right now. | ||
| And he loves it. | ||
| And he loves it, man. | ||
| It feels great. | ||
| I think about it every morning I wake up. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, man. | ||
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Who'd have thought? | |
| Maybe someone will find it. | ||
| I think everything happens for a reason, though. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| So maybe I had a fucking shitty album in there. | ||
| Oh, I doubt it, dude. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But yeah, I'm pen to paper, for sure. | ||
| When you write your comedy, are you... | ||
| I write on a computer. | ||
| You think that hurts it? | ||
| No, I can write faster. | ||
| And your comedy's hilarious. | ||
| I'm just asking if you think it makes a difference in writing pen to paper. | ||
| Hurts it in terms of memory, yes. | ||
| So I write pen to paper when I'm writing stuff down before a show. | ||
| So I'll write on index cards and I'll write on my notebook. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Before show. | ||
| So I'll write out key bullet points, key important parts of a bit. | ||
| But when I'm writing, I don't want to be hindered by time. | ||
| So if I have a thought, if I'm sitting there and I'm writing, and I can type without looking, right? | ||
| It's like a touch type. | ||
| So as I'm sitting, when I have ideas, I can get them out. | ||
| Like I can write appreciation like that, that quick. | ||
| But if I have to write a... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It takes too much time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm the opposite, man. | ||
| I'm an ass. | ||
| I'll take as much time as I can writing the song. | ||
| But that's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| I know a lot of comedians, like my friend Mark Norman, he carries a stack of index cards in his pocket. | ||
| It's like that thick. | ||
| Why are you so worried about wasting time? | ||
| No, it's just better for me with thoughts. | ||
| With time, the more when I'm writing something out, if I have a thought and I've got to capture it, If I can get the words onto the screen quicker, then I have less of a chance of not holding on to the idea. | ||
| Because if I have to write out a word and they're like, fuck, what was I saying? | ||
| Where did I go with this? | ||
| I want to be real sure that I have like a Flow of ideas to documenting the ideas ideas to expanding on the ideas and I don't want to be herky-jerky touch typing I've been pointing and I don't want to be out. | ||
| I mean, you know poke typing Yeah, I want to be able to just write when I can just write it's so much I can get so much more done so I can write paragraphs and the more paragraphs I write the more there's a chance that there's something fertile something great in there and then I take those things I take them out and I put them in another five. | ||
| You forget some shit. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Oh, that's terrifying. | ||
| I know. | ||
|
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Always. | |
| I have great ideas in the middle of the night, and I'm like, I'll remember. | ||
| Never remember. | ||
| Never remember! | ||
| I'm like, this one I'll never forget. | ||
| Melodies are weird. | ||
| Melodies are really weird, yeah. | ||
| How do they come to you, for the most part? | ||
| I just have to have a guitar. | ||
| I'm different than a lot of people. | ||
| A lot of people, it just pops in their head. | ||
| I'm like, no, I gotta sit with my guitar for like 10 hours. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And play. | ||
| It's such a different but the same thing. | ||
| I feel like writing comedy is probably similar to writing songs in a way. | ||
| How do you get jokes in your head? | ||
| You have to write and you have to think and you have to hang out with your friends. | ||
| A big one is hanging out with our friends. | ||
| You know, you've been to the mothership and see how we all hang out together. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Everyone is talking shit and laughing. | ||
| Like the other night, Ron White was telling this story and I said, have you told this on stage? | ||
| And he goes, no, I haven't. | ||
| I go, fucking please do. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| I'm like, that is a giant chunk of material. | ||
| I'm like, please write that down. | ||
| That is hilarious. | ||
| He's done that like three or four times. | ||
| Funny people are just funny people. | ||
| Ron White is so funny. | ||
| I wish I could meet him so bad. | ||
| Oh, you can meet him. | ||
| You can meet him. | ||
| I'll set it up. | ||
| Are you in town tonight? | ||
| I'll have you meet him. | ||
| I'll meet Ron, man. | ||
| Dude, he'd love to meet you. | ||
| He's the fucking man. | ||
| My dad used to force me to watch him, man. | ||
| Not that he's getting old or anything. | ||
| I'm just like, remember that fucking dude? | ||
| He's definitely getting old. | ||
| We all are. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| The four dudes, when we were younger, you get on DVD, it was like Larry the Cable Guy, Ron White, Jerry. | ||
| That's what made Larry the Cable Guy. | ||
| That's what made Ron White. | ||
| Jeff Fox was already really successful. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| Everyone watched it. | ||
| I remember my whole family was talking about it in Oklahoma like that. | ||
| I'm like, It was huge. | ||
| That's crazy, but I've learned that. | ||
| What you were saying about... | ||
| That was really beautiful what you said about you have to hang out with your friends. | ||
| It's a big part of it, right? | ||
| Communication with each other, talking about stuff. | ||
| People want a lot from you, as well as me, as well as whoever. | ||
| If you're touring all year, and you're playing these shows, and you're on a bus, and you're going in an arena and out of arena, you're not living these things that you can write about. | ||
| When you're a writer, It bothers you a lot because you're like, I have an album coming out soon and I'm like, damn man, I hope it's good enough because I've been fucking touring for three years because I haven't gotten to live The things that I want to write about. | ||
| Those amazing songs that people want. | ||
| It takes experience in this life. | ||
| It takes living, which is such a paradox because it sucks because you want to be playing the songs you've written in the past, but you also want to be writing the songs you have in the future. | ||
| You know, it's nuts. | ||
| Well, I mean, your songs in the past are always going to have, but It's when there's an exciting artist like yourself, and I'm a fan. | ||
| I think you're awesome. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
| And when I listen to your music, I'm like, this motherfucker could write songs like this for forever. | ||
| There's certain people that... | ||
| It's like Dave Attell, like my friend Dave Attell. | ||
| Dave Vittell can write funny jokes forever. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| When he dies, he will be funny the day he dies. | ||
| But is he funny because he's relatable? | ||
| No, he's just awesome. | ||
| He's just so good. | ||
| He's so polished and he's the most underappreciated stand-up of our generation. | ||
| I feel like an asshole for not knowing him. | ||
| He's so fucking funny, man. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| He's hilarious. | ||
| Is he at the mothership ever? | ||
| Yeah, he's been. | ||
| He's been. | ||
| He's in New York most of the time. | ||
| That's where he lives. | ||
| But he's a legend. | ||
| Like a comedy legend. | ||
| And a legend amongst comedians. | ||
| Like universally loved amongst comedians. | ||
| And he just fucking... | ||
| I would never imagine a time where that guy's not gonna come up with something funny to say. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| It's not gonna exist. | ||
| Just like you. | ||
| I'm not gonna imagine a time where... | ||
| Unless you fall apart on us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's a non-existent fear. | ||
| I remember when it all... | ||
| I fucking hope so, man. | ||
| Keep it together, bro. | ||
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You too. | |
| I mean, you're on the other side of it. | ||
| You had to have times in your life where you, like in fame, I don't know. | ||
| Bro, every day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| I'm like, keep it together, bitch. | ||
| You gotta do it. | ||
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Every day. | |
| And that's why you're getting that fucking cold plunge, man. | ||
| That's why I do all that torture shit I do to myself. | ||
| I'm doing it because I'm smart. | ||
| I know what I'm doing. | ||
| Bro, you've inserted yourself into everyone's head every morning. | ||
| It's infuriating, bro. | ||
| Every time I wake up, I'm like, Gotta go. | ||
| I bet Joe's doing some shit right now, man. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that, too. | ||
| I think that. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do it for myself. | ||
| Like, I do it anyway. | ||
| But I do think, imagine if people were watching you and making sure you're not half-assing this. | ||
| That's another thing about me and you, I guess, but, like, you gotta keep going. | ||
| Gotta keep going. | ||
| You can't stop, even if it sucks. | ||
| That's a crazy thing to think about. | ||
| Along your journey, no matter what, if it's bad or not, if your jokes are bad, if my songs are bad, you have to write the bad jokes, and you have to write the bad songs, and you have to keep going. | ||
| Because if you don't, you're never going to write the good one. | ||
| Sometimes I would imagine... | ||
| I've had bad jokes that I was like, I can't figure out what to do with this. | ||
| I have an idea, but it's just too clunky. | ||
| And then two years later, I revisit it. | ||
| And now I have a new premise that ties in with it. | ||
| I'm like, oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh my god, it slips like a glove. | ||
| It makes sense! | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| That's what writing songs is like, too, because you write three lines. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was going to say. | ||
| You have times where you write a song and you don't like it, but then you come back and you have new ideas, and then something from that song... | ||
| That's how all songs, for me, are written, at least. | ||
| Except a few of them. | ||
| Here's what's interesting to think about. | ||
| I don't want to say huge coming on an ass, but the big ones that I've written, the ones that were successful, they... | ||
| There were always two-minute songs that I sat down and just fucking jotted. | ||
| And then did a video, and then people loved them. | ||
| And I was like, shit, man. | ||
| But the ones I think about a lot, the ones that I write and write right, they're always like, no one really cares about them. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, man. | ||
| Maybe I should just get drunk and write really fast. | ||
| I think Sturgill Simpson said that about You Can Have the Crown. | ||
| Like that one song. | ||
| I fucking love that song. | ||
| Sturgill's so good, man. | ||
| What a hero, man. | ||
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He's the fucking man. | |
| He's the fucking best, dude. | ||
| All those guys are. | ||
| He's off the grid now, living on an island. | ||
| Good for him, yeah. | ||
| That motherfucker doesn't play. | ||
| Bro, I follow a fucking Instagram called Where Is Sturgill Simpson? | ||
| You follow that one too? | ||
| And it's just like random shit he's doing. | ||
| No, I just wait for text messages. | ||
| He's one of those guys you just watch him exist and you're like, man, that's nice. | ||
| I love him to death. | ||
| I wish I could meet him or whatever, but he's such a legend. | ||
| Dude, I will hook it up. | ||
| If he's in town, if he comes to visit, I'll hook it up. | ||
| Sometimes I feel bad, because, like I said, I know like three chords and shit, and Sturgill's writing songs about, like, metaphysics and all that. | ||
| Well, you know, Sturgill was... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that one. | ||
| That's the one, bro. | ||
| It was so funny. | ||
| There's all these fucking crazy pictures of him with puppies and shit. | ||
| He's a wild bro. | ||
| He's such a man's man, bro. | ||
| I love him to death. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I love that dude to death. | ||
| I'm so curious about him, man. | ||
| When I first had him on the podcast, I had heard there's a psychedelic country guy. | ||
| And I listened to a couple of songs and then had him on the podcast. | ||
| And I was like, I wonder if this guy's gonna want to play music. | ||
| I wonder if this guy's gonna play music. | ||
| I wonder if he's gonna just want to hang out. | ||
| And we just fucking smoked weed and talked shit. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I can't smoke pot, man. | ||
| But you can. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
| I guess, yeah. | ||
| I hate to sound like a bitch. | ||
| Do you get paranoid? | ||
| We smoke a lot of pot. | ||
| Well, I used to smoke a lot of pot. | ||
| Well, after I got out of the Navy, obviously, I was like, okay, I gotta do it now. | ||
| Because I didn't smoke. | ||
| I didn't do drugs for like nine years. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| Like, every day in the Navy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I didn't even know it was a thing, and then my buddy JR, he smokes quite a bit, and there's nothing wrong with it, but man, I lived in New York for a little bit, and one night I got some gas station marijuana from a fucking corner stop, and I smoked it, and I was on this scaffolding thing in New York looking at the stars, and I thought everything was fine, and then all of a sudden my world collapsed. | ||
| Which is such a bitch thing to say. | ||
| I don't really know. | ||
| I thought my fucking body was collapsing. | ||
| And I thought, you know what's crazy? | ||
| It was like a positive feedback loop in my head. | ||
| And I was like, oh man, my body's collapsing. | ||
| I'm fucked. | ||
| And I called my sister. | ||
| My dog's running around the apartment. | ||
| I'm taking my shirt off, bro. | ||
| My dog's running around with me. | ||
| I'm like, you gotta stay on the phone with me. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| It was crazy. | ||
| So many people have had that experience. | ||
| But yeah, I know. | ||
| And it's like, you just gotta do it enough to do it. | ||
| But I don't really like... | ||
| There's never been a part of my life where I wanted to do it enough to... | ||
| Get to the point where I was okay with it. | ||
| You definitely don't have to. | ||
| And I take like two hits with the guys out there and shit. | ||
| Like it's no big deal. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| But every time I think it's a different thing. | ||
| I'm like, okay, this is the time I'm gonna fucking lose my mind. | ||
| You just went way too deep. | ||
| You do mushrooms? | ||
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| I love shrooms a lot. | ||
| I think they should be not just legal but we should have centers where people who are educated in the right dosage and the right you know for whatever it is for a person if you want to achieve a certain thing and they should have like screenings and like mental health screenings for people and then they should have guided Psychedelic experiences, and I think it would make the world a better place. | ||
| Don't they do that shit with, like, Klonopin or something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, no, ketamine. | ||
| Ketamine. | ||
| They definitely do it with ketamine. | ||
| I don't think it's for everybody. | ||
| It's not for everybody. | ||
| I don't think anything's for everybody. | ||
| I think there are some people that have psychological problems, and they shouldn't do anything that perturbs their normal state of consciousness. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I've heard that said by experts, so I'm just repeating that, and I agree with it because it makes sense to me. | ||
| For a lot of people, having a psychedelic experience where you get to see yourself outside of yourself is very beneficial. | ||
| That freaks me out when you talk about DMT and things like that, even on the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hear you talk about stuff like that, and I'm like, dude, how the fuck does someone just do that to themselves? | ||
| Not in a bad way. | ||
| I mean that in a trip way. | ||
| Or if you were to do something like that... | ||
| I have that... | ||
| I got a funny story to tell you. | ||
| But I have that fear in me that's like... | ||
| Man, what if it goes wrong? | ||
| Yeah, what if you never come back? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like we've all heard about, was it Keith Moon? | ||
| Who was it in, who was like the first guy that they said went cuckoo from acid? | ||
| It was the dude from Pink Floyd, right? | ||
| No way. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Ken Kesey was like the father of the psychedelic movement. | ||
| He was one of the fathers of the psychedelic movement. | ||
| I bet back in the day it wasn't his... | ||
| Sid Barrett? | ||
| Probably wasn't as good. | ||
| Sid Barrett, right. | ||
| Sid Barrett was the Pink Floyd guy, right? | ||
| And he went crazy from LSD. But didn't someone else go crazy as well? | ||
| It says Sid Barrett is one of the most tragic stories in rock and roll. | ||
| What do you mean go crazy? | ||
| Sometimes, well, you know, Howard Stern talked about this once, too. | ||
| He said that he took a lot of acid one time and he was really fucked up for a long time and he was really scared that he wasn't going to come back. | ||
| Because there have been times where people have had, whether it's LSD or some mind-altering substance, that for whatever reason that we don't totally understand, they fucking go and never come back. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Why would you ever do something like that? | ||
| Maybe it was Brian Wilson. | ||
| Did he go crazy from... | ||
| No disrespect to anyone. | ||
| That sounds as an interesting album. | ||
| Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys. | ||
| Wasn't he the guy that was also tied up with Manson? | ||
| He was tied up with the Manson family. | ||
| Well, that's where he was going. | ||
| Manson wanted to make music with him, and he was trying to force him to do it. | ||
| Right, so that's probably why he was doing all that acid. | ||
| And he made him do acid? | ||
| Because Manson was doing acid. | ||
| And Manson was... | ||
| Dude, Manson, for the millionth time, I'll talk about this. | ||
| From the Beach Boys? | ||
| How Charles Manson ruined Dennis Wilson's life. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| Brother of Brian Wilson. | ||
| Never went to dare. | ||
| So Dennis Wilson was like the guy who was going to manage him, right? | ||
| Or something like that? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| He was looking for his house, I think. | ||
| But the Manson family most likely was like a CIA project. | ||
| Most likely it was a project of MKUltra and it's documented by this guy Tom O'Neil in this book called Chaos. | ||
| It's an amazing book that talks about the CIA's LSD program. | ||
| They were dosing people all over the place with LSD. They had a thing called Operation Midnight Climax where they would go to a brothel And they would have, you know, 3D or see-through mirrors so they could see through and watch the Johns. | ||
| And the prostitute would give the John a drink that was laced with acid. | ||
| So this guy would take this drink and just fucking trip balls and they would monitor them and they would talk to them. | ||
| And then they did a bunch of different things where they had the LSD studies that they did out of Harvard that actually created, most likely, was a factor in creating Ted Kaczynski. | ||
| Because the Unabomber was a part of those LSD studies. | ||
| And then... | ||
| This reminds me of Pineapple Express. | ||
| While he was tripping balls, was thinking that technology is going to kill all the people. | ||
| So he has to kill the people that are making technology. | ||
| And by the way, I'm not condoning what he did. | ||
| But it's logical. | ||
| It's logical. | ||
| It's an episode of Black Mirror. | ||
| It's logical. | ||
| It seems like it would be. | ||
| An episode of Black Mirror where the computers become far more intelligent than human beings, and they have no use for them anymore. | ||
| And in fact, they find human beings to be a problem. | ||
| That's the idea, that you're going to create a new life form that's far more intelligent than you. | ||
| I'm going to sound dumb. | ||
| And that technology is going to take over people. | ||
| You think it's... | ||
| No way. | ||
| Me and Danny talk about it all the time. | ||
| Well, people smarter than me don't think it's going to happen. | ||
| Like Marc Andreessen. | ||
| I feel that way and I'm not smart at all. | ||
| Sometimes we talk about it and I'm like, dude, there's no way in hell that people let things get that far to where... | ||
| I don't think we have a chance. | ||
| I don't think we have a chance. | ||
| Against it or for it to happen? | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| And I'm not saying that capitalism is a bad thing. | ||
| But when corporations are primarily around to make money, and they have an obligation to their stakeholders, they're always going to make money. | ||
| If this new frontier is opening up, and it's called artificial intelligence, and you're a part of that, and you start making money doing that, that fucking train is on the tracks, baby, and there's no brakes. | ||
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| You're not gonna stop them from making art. | ||
| They're already got ChatGPT that can have fucking conversations with you, right? | ||
| And can diagnose illnesses and tell you how to fix your car. | ||
| I have this problem where I believe in humanity, though. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| No, not that you don't. | ||
| I wasn't like inducing that. | ||
| I was just saying that. | ||
| I'm just a realist. | ||
| Yeah, but that's just a little crazy. | ||
| Listen, man, they're not going to stop making it. | ||
| So if they're not going to stop making it, where's it going to go? | ||
| It's going to go to a life form. | ||
| It's just a matter of how much time does it take. | ||
| I don't understand the technology, so I can't say that it's 50 years from now or 100 years from now or five weeks from now. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but they're going to be able to create a life form. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Dude, this is what I don't understand. | ||
| Sorry for interrupting. | ||
| No, please. | ||
| This is what I don't understand. | ||
| You see those videos, you've been seeing them for like five years of like those weird robotic heads talking that look like real faces and things like that? | ||
| And this is really elementary. | ||
| I just mean like those weird bald mannequin looking heads who are communicating AI looking things. | ||
| That's what happened for five years. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| When's what everyone's scared of going to happen? | ||
| Well, they've got some pretty sophisticated ones out of, I believe, Japan now. | ||
| There's Whitney and her robot. | ||
| Oh, I thought you were just pulling pictures of girls, man. | ||
| I was like, what the hell? | ||
| That's my friend Whitney Cummings, and that's her robot. | ||
| So Whitney Cummings' robot can talk and say things, and she has it to say jokes. | ||
| That's a fucking nightmare. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| Not Whitney Cummings twice, but the fact that there's a robot. | ||
| Well, she thinks it's hilarious. | ||
| That's so scary. | ||
| A ton of inappropriate jokes. | ||
| The robot does? | ||
| No, she puts them in the robot's face. | ||
| She's holding its face. | ||
| Yeah, she took its head off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, this is like very rudimentary, like that kind of robot. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I mean by that. | ||
| It's like, I feel like everything you've seen online when it comes to AI and things like that, it's all... | ||
| Which is even scarier, because who do you know? | ||
| Like, what's going on somewhere else when it comes to AI and things like that? | ||
| I think we're only... | ||
| What we're learning from, like, ChatGPT is that just from scouring the internet, you could have a program that's so powerful that it could answer any question you have in very complex ways, in paragraph after paragraph. | ||
| This has been interesting in the music industry because people fucking every day, man, 20 people send me a song by an AI bot that I wrote. | ||
| And it's almost insulting. | ||
| Because I see the songs and it's crazy to see the lyrics that these AI bots come up with. | ||
| I'm like, man, I gotta write fucking better songs. | ||
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| I'm like, man! | ||
| I wrote that to this AI bot, and it scares the shit out of me, but I'm also like, when I think of my head and think about what I can write personally from my heart, I'm like, there's no way AI has ever... | ||
| It's not going to be able to replicate what your lived, felt experiences can convey in a creative way. | ||
| Which I think people are smarter than people think. | ||
| And I think that'll always reign supreme. | ||
| But I think it's going to make some hits. | ||
| Yeah, there was like a bunch of them. | ||
| Well, that Drake song. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to mention it, but I didn't want to. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| Apparently it was huge. | ||
| Look, it's going to make some hits. | ||
| And that's not against Drake. | ||
| Drake can still make hits too, but AI can make Drake hits. | ||
| And that's what's crazy. | ||
| It's like when you get to a certain point, like if you have a certain style of music, like I wonder if it can do jazz. | ||
| I don't really have a real understanding of jazz. | ||
| I feel like it would be easier to do jazz than right. | ||
| This is not an insult towards jazz musicians. | ||
| I respect them. | ||
| I feel like it could do jazz well because it has so many notes and perfect slides and things to go off of. | ||
| When it comes to songwriting, it might be a little different. | ||
| Imagine if it did jazz better than the jazz musicians and everybody got mad. | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
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Oh, jazz musicians would be They'd be so mad. | |
| They'd be so mad, man. | ||
| There'd be a bunch of fucking breweries just up in flames. | ||
| You go into some independent coffee shop in Austin, and there's jazz playing, but it's AI jazz, but it's amazing. | ||
| And you're like, oh my god. | ||
| Because if AI is that smart... | ||
| Does some dude with a bass just fucking piss? | ||
| Right, if you think about what, like every, they say, I don't know anything about music, let me just say this real quick, but they say that every note has apparently been played, like all of them, right? | ||
| Yes, okay, I don't know if this is true, but Bach, uh, don't, I don't know anything about music either, but Bach, when... | ||
| Isn't this AI, then? | ||
| Isn't that a program? | ||
| Jamie, you're freaking me out. | ||
| That's the same thing? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's the same thing? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's a program. | ||
| Those pieces of paper or those holes in that paper or whatever the fuck that thing is. | ||
| That's scroll. | ||
| But what's artificial intelligence, right? | ||
| That's the same thing. | ||
| You're feeding it a bunch of shit to then recreate without a person. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not growing. | ||
| That's mechanical, bro. | ||
| It's not growing. | ||
| That's mechanical. | ||
| It doesn't grow inside itself. | ||
| That's why AI is fucking scary. | ||
| That's like saying an automatic watch is artificial intelligence. | ||
| Or like factories. | ||
| These are artificial intelligence. | ||
| Because all the gears are spinning and ticking and keeping perfect time. | ||
| No, that's mechanical. | ||
| That's engineering. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Have some respect for engineering. | ||
| I'm with him, man. | ||
| I feel like that's what Andreessen was sort of saying. | ||
| It's just reading off of the internet sort of and saying words that sort of to us make sense. | ||
| Sure, for now. | ||
| But yeah, that's the thing people have been saying forever. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Did you see the Black Mirror episode? | ||
| With the AI and the likeness thing? | ||
| They can steal your likeness and they create? | ||
| I think I saw that one. | ||
| Did I say that one? | ||
| Maybe I didn't. | ||
| And the TikTok fucking things? | ||
| I'm not saying this exactly. | ||
| This has just been around for 150 years and it's very close to... | ||
| This replaced a piano player, you know, from the Wild Wild West. | ||
| But it'll always play the exact same thing. | ||
| Yeah, and it sounds the exact same every time you play it. | ||
| Oh, so they have them in the Wild Wild West? | ||
| This is old as shit. | ||
| Yeah, these are really old. | ||
| See, that's what I'm trying to say about people. | ||
| They keep saying that... | ||
| Sounds like someone's playing. | ||
| That sounds like a place where someone's getting shot. | ||
| Right? | ||
| How did they make that? | ||
| When did you say it again? | ||
| These are old. | ||
| I don't know when they were first invented, but these are not new and they're old. | ||
| Gotta get one of them, man. | ||
| Alarm clock. | ||
| We should have one of those in the studio. | ||
| Got to. | ||
| See, that's not, you know... | ||
| Bro. | ||
| How much do you think one of those costs? | ||
| A player piano. | ||
| Right now? | ||
| We should have one in the studio. | ||
| What's a player piano? | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| We should get one of them old ones. | ||
| Supposedly a player. | ||
| It'd be dope just to have a round just for the vibes. | ||
| Put it in here, man. | ||
| So next time this comes up, you can just... | ||
| Just play it. | ||
| And there's no room in here. | ||
| We have the perfect amount of things that are in here. | ||
| We have no room in here, but out there... | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm scared of artificial intelligence. | ||
| I'm scared of all of it because I think human beings are going to become obsolete. | ||
| And I think we either are going to merge with technology, which we're kind of already doing. | ||
| Elon always points out that we're already a cyborg. | ||
| We just hold our phone. | ||
| You're connected with it in a very, very strange way. | ||
| You can't exist without it now. | ||
| It's hard to. | ||
| You can, for sure. | ||
| A lot of people do. | ||
| Christopher Nolan apparently does. | ||
| Apparently he doesn't have email, nothing. | ||
| You gotta talk to him. | ||
| And you aspire for that sometimes, like in your head? | ||
| Sometimes, but I like... | ||
| First of all, I like the distraction of my phone sometimes. | ||
| If I'm bored, I like to sit and watch pool matches on YouTube. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| I like to watch fights, if I find out about fights. | ||
| I get to watch results. | ||
| I get to watch things that maybe I had missed on other organizations outside the UFC. I can watch them on my phone. | ||
| I wonder why people are so... | ||
| I personally, the age that I'm at, you're older than me, but I feel ashamed of looking at my phone so much. | ||
| And I think that might be an immaturity thing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I can't monitor myself. | ||
| I tweet some heinous shit. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| I tweet some crazy shit. | ||
| People are always like, man, what's going on? | ||
| I'm literally just like... | ||
| It's like 3am on a Tuesday and I'm like, man, fuck it. | ||
| I'll wake up the next day and people are like, hey man, you good? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, it's a song lyric or something. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Like I said, I haven't talked to someone like this in so, so long that my fucking crazy tweets are the only thing that people know me by and I'm like, man, I gotta clear some air, bro. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| Do you think about not tweeting sometimes? | ||
| Like it's not worth it? | ||
| I actually recently deleted my Twitter. | ||
| Dude, I go through these phases where I'm like, I do it so much, then I'm like, man, get off of here for a second. | ||
| I don't know how the fuck Elon does it. | ||
| Dude, he changed the world today. | ||
| He made it X, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's X now, officially. | ||
| Do you tweet ever? | ||
| Yeah, occasionally. | ||
| I read things more than I post things. | ||
| Do you run your own Twitter? | ||
| Yeah, but I don't want to engage with anybody. | ||
| You know, like these back and forths that people have with people. | ||
| Like, I am so not interested in doing that. | ||
| There's something in me where people respond. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| No, it's not like fans responding. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| It's people get into conflicts on Twitter, and I think that's ridiculous. | ||
| I think it's the worst way to communicate. | ||
| It bothers me a lot. | ||
| And I think people, I see some people, all they do is just lash out at people. | ||
| And that is a hurt person. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| It's like, it's not a healthy way to live your life. | ||
| But you have to empathize a little bit inside yourself, too, with those people. | ||
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| Because sometimes people tweet at me and I'm like, hey man. | ||
| But I don't tweet back ever. | ||
| I always control myself. | ||
| Most of the time. | ||
| Don't quote me on that. | ||
| I have friends that tell me about tweets that they read. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| I'm thinking about fucking telling that guy to fuck off. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Stop reading that shit. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't matter that much, I don't think, at the grant. | ||
| But it is interesting to read all these different people's opinions and thoughts. | ||
| I do love that about Twitter, that you'll get these hardcore leftist perspectives and hardcore right-wing perspectives. | ||
| I think as much as it makes people uncomfortable, you have to have a place where everybody gets to talk it out. | ||
| Everybody gets to talk. | ||
| And it's beautiful. | ||
| The loony people that think that fucking nuclear bombs aren't real. | ||
| Do you know that's a big one that's going around the internet now? | ||
| Nuclear bombs are not real? | ||
| Yeah, nuclear bombs are hoaxes. | ||
| It's a hoax. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's the latest. | ||
| Oppenheimer was bullshit, man. | ||
| It's semi-connected, I think, to flat earth. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Get those guys together, man. | ||
| I think it's semi-connected to dinosaurs aren't real. | ||
| There's like a three-pronged attack of idiocy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| What's their main reasoning behind nuclear bombs? | ||
| Well, I just think they're big bombs. | ||
| Just big bombs. | ||
| Yeah, there was some Twitter thread I was reading where they were talking about how nuclear bombs have to be fake because Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't have any nuclear fallout. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| When I was a kid, I went. | ||
| I saw the museum, bro. | ||
| Dude, if you're a little kid and you're walking through... | ||
| I wonder, I seriously wonder how many of these people that are having these conversations online are like Russian agents or they're feds or they're like somebody who's just designed to make people stupider. | ||
| I should worry about the same thing now. | ||
| Everyone who tweets at me is a Russian agent, bro. | ||
| I'm saving the world, baby. | ||
| I fucking seriously wonder. | ||
| Because you remember when free bleeding was a thing on 4chan and they talked some feminists into not wearing tampons and just bleeding in their pants as a sign of empowerment? | ||
| Free... | ||
| I wasn't a part of this movement, no. | ||
| Free bleeding. | ||
| But it became... | ||
| People actually did it. | ||
| Some people actually did it. | ||
| It was like a troll? | ||
| It was a troll at first. | ||
| And I think a lot of these things, whether it's flat earth or whether it's nuclear bombs aren't real, I think it's a lot of crazy people and a lot of people that watch too many YouTube videos, but I also think some of it has to be someone that's like monkeying with people's ideas, like throwing preposterous ideas that are well articulated out there to get people to believe in nonsense and then argue about it. | ||
| When we did the Ticketmaster stuff and we made it a big deal, My managers, they came to me like, hey man, you gotta be ready for bots and things online to manipulate how you're feeling and make you respond in a way where... | ||
| Well, also manipulate the conversation about you. | ||
| And you get upset. | ||
| It's not just manipulate how you feel. | ||
| It's manipulate how the people that are... | ||
| Maybe someone doesn't know how to feel about what you did. | ||
| And they're like, I mean, I think he's doing it for us. | ||
| And then you go and read on Twitter, that guy's a selfish piece of shit, that guy this, that guy that. | ||
| You're reading all these horrible takes that might not even be real. | ||
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Be people. | |
| They might not be people. | ||
| Or they might be engineered by people through multiple fucking sock puppet accounts. | ||
| If you go to a famous person's Twitter and things like that, you can look at who's following them. | ||
| If you scroll down, this is fucking psychotic that I know this. | ||
| I don't do this myself. | ||
| I just know from talking to people and things. | ||
| If you like scroll down you can see like just fucking like hundreds and hundreds of bots and stuff like that. | ||
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| Who are just tweeting crazy shit, but their accounts aren't really like like three people follow them and they're following like 600 people and all the 600 like famous people and they're either saying like nice shit or mean shit. | ||
| You're like, this is weird. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| What's going on man? | ||
| It's anytime there's culture war stuff. | ||
| Like anytime there's stuff about like trans rights or anytime there's stuff about Ukraine war, like anytime there's an abortion debate, you will read these comments. | ||
| I will go through the comments. | ||
| That one's a big one. | ||
| The Roe v. | ||
| Wade one's a big one. | ||
| If you go through those comments and you read them, some of the people, you look at their page, like I'll read like some preposterous take on things, and then I go and read their page. | ||
| I'm like, oh, this isn't even a person. | ||
| Yeah, and a lot of times it's in politics and shit like that. | ||
| When I said that shit about, like, whatever, Bud Light, because my fucking sister's spouse is transgender, I, like, hired a security guy for a second. | ||
| I was like, man, this is crazy. | ||
| People are mad at you. | ||
| Yeah, and not being a bitch either. | ||
| I was like, man, it's kind of scary, bro. | ||
| I live in a city. | ||
| I don't want people to come for me. | ||
| It's such a dumb reason to get mad. | ||
| I woke up on a Saturday, bro, and I had a dude tell me I was like a Nazi and a mutilator on my Twitter, and I was like, bro, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| It was psychotic. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Well, there's people that feel, there are some people that feel like supporting that idea is going to make more people try it, and it's going to make more people regret having gone through transition. | ||
| And so they really highlight the transitioners. | ||
| So people have one side or the other side. | ||
| They either look at it like it's only a good thing to live your truth and to be trans, like you should get on hormone blockers as early as you can. | ||
| And that's what that person, the secretary of health, who's that person, the secretary of health that used to be Rachel Levine, right? | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Was saying, like, what if you're going through puberty but it's the wrong puberty? | ||
| Like, what if you're going through puberty and it's painful for you because it's not you? | ||
| Like, look, you're still a child. | ||
| Like, the idea that for ideology we're going to abandon this thing that we have always known, which is that children are very impressionable and very malleable. | ||
| And that they can be manipulated and that also they can change their minds. | ||
| And there's a ton of stories about girls who were tomboys when they were younger and just became regular women. | ||
| And there's also tons of stories about guys who were feminine when they were growing up and they became gay men. | ||
| And some of my gay friends feel like this idea that those people should become trans is probably homophobic. | ||
| And that someone encouraging them to become trans, if that's the case, is homophobic. | ||
| But as a human being, you only have one—sorry. | ||
| I was going to say, because he was saying that—and this is true—that in Iran, I believe, they have a large amount of transgender women. | ||
| And the reason being is that homosexuality is illegal there. | ||
| Yes, it's strange. | ||
| So because it's illegal, the way they get around that is some of these men become trans. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Which is wild. | ||
| In the Middle East, there's a weird... | ||
| I don't know anything, like, actually, but in the Middle East, there's a weird feeling around it. | ||
| Like, if you're walking around... | ||
| Because I was in Bahrain and things like that, and you'll go out in town, and there's, like, a femininity to, like, a lot of the guys, and you're like, oh, that's kind of... | ||
| Listen, there's a certain percentage of guys who are gay in all of the world. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| It's just a part of being a person. | ||
| And that's what, like, a lot of this stuff that came out about the whole, like, transgender thing with me... | ||
| I'm not defending anything either. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| My sister... | ||
| is gay and she married a transgender person and they're both close to my heart and all I know as a human being and a man is like love them because they're my family of course and that's it like it I don't give it like I don't care what anyone is doing I don't care if you support the kid thing or not I just love them and that's what being a human being is is knowing your own perspective and working from there and I didn't realize it was gonna start such a battle defending someone that I love so much you know because they're they're um There's | ||
| such a funny, amazing person to me that I've spent so much time with and I have utmost trust in and respect for. | ||
| And that is my picture in my head of a transgender person. | ||
| So I don't have the perspective. | ||
| Well, that's how all people should be looked at. | ||
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| As individuals. | ||
| And respected. | ||
| And individuals are what we should concentrate on. | ||
| But the problem is... | ||
| Everything's so tribal today. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| That's why this Bud Light thing went so bonkers. | ||
| Because the people that enjoy Bud Light are completely the opposite tribe, for the most part, well, I think a large number of them, than the tribe that's into following Dylan Mulvaney. | ||
| I've never cared about anything in my entire life. | ||
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Pfft. | |
| How these fucking people care so much about it? | ||
| And I'm like, dude, you guys are... | ||
| They felt like it was taking over their thing. | ||
| It's like if Fox News went all gay. | ||
| If Fox News just became the gay news. | ||
| And they're like, no! | ||
| And every anchor was gay, and they talked about everything from a gay perspective. | ||
| So much hate, man. | ||
| You know, like, let's look at gays in Ukraine. | ||
| And, you know, like, no matter what it is, let's look at it from a... | ||
| People would go crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I can't imagine waking up with that much on your heart. | ||
| So I think that's what people felt like was happening with the Bud Light can. | ||
| And what, like, bothered me a lot, it was, like, I empathize. | ||
| Like, I see both sides, and, like, people think I didn't. | ||
| I was like, oh, man, I get it, man, I understand. | ||
| Both of these realms of people, I'm like... | ||
| The problem is people, like, take it serious forever. | ||
| Like, they've been Bud Light drinkers for fucking 30 years. | ||
| And they'll die on this hill, man. | ||
| And all of a sudden, like, now, fuck Bud Light forever. | ||
| Yeah, I don't care, man. | ||
| And you just see Modelo cans everywhere, bro. | ||
| You go to a show and there's fucking Modelo everywhere. | ||
| And you know what makes me mad as I'm drinking? | ||
| But it's so long and it's such a great beer and I can't even drink it. | ||
| People fucking look at you weird and I'm like, bro, I'm out of all of this. | ||
| I just want to drink a Budweiser, bro. | ||
| I was reading about this bar owner that stopped selling it because people were beating people up that were buying it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I can't imagine buying a Bud Light one day just getting decked in the face. | ||
| It's just a beer. | ||
| It's just a beer. | ||
| You fucking leftist. | ||
| You suck. | ||
| You should die. | ||
| You're everything that's wrong with this fucking country. | ||
| Fuck you, man. | ||
| That's how this shit is going to fucking take over. | ||
| You've got to punish these people. | ||
| Look at this American flag them all. | ||
| The thing that's going on, though, is people are getting fired. | ||
| Like regular folks that work in breweries are getting fired because the demand is down. | ||
| So the demand is down, the production is down, the production is down, jobs are down. | ||
| And that's an unintended consequence. | ||
| You were talking about that earlier before we got on here, and you were saying they were down the market cap or whatever. | ||
| Let's see what the number is. | ||
| I've been checking the stock every day, but I guess I just don't know anything. | ||
| It's more than $20 billion. | ||
| They've lost more than $20 billion. | ||
| You don't smoke cigarettes in here, do you? | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, we got a fan. | ||
| It sucks the cigarettes out. | ||
| We smoke cigars in here. | ||
| Don't smoke, man. | ||
| They lost a ton of money. | ||
| The point is, it's not good. | ||
| It's real bad. | ||
| And it's, who the fuck saw that coming? | ||
| Who thought that people were going to be that upset? | ||
| That's what blows my mind. | ||
| You don't hear a lot of stories where the population can actually control the company's Right. | ||
| Share pricing thing. | ||
| And dude, there's a part of me, like the humorous part of me, where I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| Good job, guys, man. | ||
| You fucking killed it, but it's so wrong. | ||
| They definitely can if... | ||
| You know, if they have a point, Bud Light sales down by 27.1%. | ||
| I don't even know what started it, is what's funny. | ||
| Dude, I got on Twitter one day, just like everyone else, and out of context responded to somebody. | ||
| And everyone hated me all of a sudden. | ||
| I was like, holy shit. | ||
| I think what they're saying was, just find out what the market cap loss was. | ||
| Just Google Anheuser-Busch market cap loss 21 billion. | ||
| Google that. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Heinous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| What does it say here? | ||
| But there's no way... | ||
| $27 billion. | ||
| Bud Lightmaker Anheuser-Busch InBev has lost a whopping $27 billion in market value in the wake of his star-crossed partnership with Dylan Mulvaney, most recently slammed by a 4% stock drop this week. | ||
| That's June 2nd. | ||
| So that's more than a month ago. | ||
| This is July 4th. | ||
| It says $6 billion. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Is that 60 billion or six? | ||
| How do you hate something that much, man? | ||
| Six billion. | ||
| Oh, I was looking at all the zeros with no... | ||
| How do they have all those zeros with no fucking commas? | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| I was in like an emotional... | ||
| Isn't that ridiculous? | ||
| I was in a pretty weird place when all this stuff happened, too, because there was like a shooting in a... | ||
| In Colorado or something where some dude, some guy, he like ran into a transgender bar or something, a gay bar or something and just killed a few people. | ||
| And it was crazy. | ||
| My sister was really emotional about it because she's gay. | ||
| Wasn't that like a non-binary person too? | ||
| That was the, I don't know what that was. | ||
| That was a crazy one because that was the son, I think, of a guy who was an MMA fighter. | ||
| Wait, which one? | ||
| He was also a porn star. | ||
| The bar? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that scary? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| My sister was really, really up in arms. | ||
| She was really emotional about it. | ||
| She's my best friend in the world. | ||
| I would do anything. | ||
| Just like you would probably. | ||
| Do you have any siblings? | ||
| Yeah, I have a sister. | ||
| And she's my best friend. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Thick and thin. | ||
| But that's why I defended it. | ||
| I love my sister too. | ||
| She's awesome. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And you would defend her to the bits. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this is like some just really ill person who went into a bar and started shooting people. | ||
| But I... I don't know what the motivation was. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| My sister was saying that she was under attack and things. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't... | ||
| I just didn't... | ||
| As a younger guy, I just... | ||
| Because she felt like it was an attack on gay people? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I talked with her about it as just a normal person. | ||
| I'm like, is it an attack on your people? | ||
| Or is it an individualized event that's terrible and heartbreaking and things like that? | ||
| And... | ||
| I think it's that, because I think that person, like I said, I think that person was a member of the LBGT. I'm pretty sure. | ||
| People are just scared, man. | ||
| That's so shitty. | ||
| Or something along those lines. | ||
| But either way, it's a human being doing something evil to a bunch of other human beings, and it's crazy. | ||
| Times now are crazy, man. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Do you think it was like this when you were younger, were things polarizing? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| What do you think changed things? | ||
| Well, for one, the communication. | ||
| For one, social media has exacerbated the gap. | ||
| It has, like, made us more divided, I think, than ever before. | ||
| Because people huddle up in these, like, echo chambers. | ||
| You think it made things better at all? | ||
| It made access to information better. | ||
| It made people more informed. | ||
| But it's difficult to navigate those waters, and not everybody's gonna do it. | ||
| Some people are gonna crash on the rocks. | ||
| You know, and I think that... | ||
| It's a new thing that people are trying to navigate. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people that are horribly addicted to it and they're just constantly involved in these interactions with other people and most of them are feuds and disagreements and they're trying to one-up each other and trying to like post facts and dunk on people. | ||
| Always question validity of like... | ||
| I always question validity of artists and things now. | ||
| Like, do you think people are better for it or worse for it when it comes to talent? | ||
| Like, does the cream rise to the top faster now, or does it just make everyone great? | ||
| I don't know how to word this. | ||
| Make everyone great how? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Myself. | ||
| Like, when I started putting videos on Twitter and things like that, I wouldn't have been discovered in the 70s, because I would have just been playing guitar around the fire. | ||
| Do you think... | ||
| I don't mean this for my own ego. | ||
| I'm just saying in general, do you think people are more talented for it because they have to compete with millions and millions of people now? | ||
| Or do you think people are less talented for it because millions and millions of people are getting famous? | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| I think in general, the talented people of today, like every other generation with every other kind of art form and even most sports... | ||
| The generations, as they progress, they have the benefit of learning from the previous generation. | ||
| So we all imitate each other, whether it's like Mike Tyson imitating Jack Dempsey style or Stevie Ray Vaughan imitating Jimi Hendrix style. | ||
| We all learn from our predecessors. | ||
| And when you have access to all of the predecessors, which is what you have today, You're gonna get an insane amount of talented people. | ||
| There's always gonna be certain, like the idea that everyone's gonna be soft and society's soft and no one today could do that. | ||
| No, there's still people that can do it. | ||
| They're gonna rise. | ||
| They're always going to be here. | ||
| There's always gonna be exceptional human beings. | ||
| There's people that are driven to do things just like that guy was driven to climb fucking mountains. | ||
| Some people are driven to make great music. | ||
| They're driven to write good books or great books. | ||
| They're driven to make great films. | ||
| The people are always going to be driven and they have the benefit of having seen, you know, Apocalypse Now and having listened to the White Album and there's there's so much That people could absorb so much greatness and so much... | ||
| If you were an artist in the 1800s, how much impact did you get from other artists? | ||
| Because you wouldn't know that much, right? | ||
| Did you ever hear Caribbean music? | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| There was no hip-hop, so you're not hearing that. | ||
| Human beings are just inspired by other people. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And now we're all just inspired by each other, so we're making better things. | ||
| If you use your brain wisely... | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| If you use your brain wisely, you can be constantly inspired and enjoy all these people. | ||
| Or if you use your brain like a fool, you'll be embroiled in conflict constantly, all the time. | ||
| And always fucking arguing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Waking up angry. | ||
| And having the least charitable view of every person you talk about. | ||
| Gotta be the worst life, man. | ||
| It's not a good life. | ||
| It's not good for you. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| And people don't realize it because they, you know, they feel that they're just ignored or this is the way they get attention or whatever it is. | ||
| It's just a super unhealthy way to interact. | ||
| And I see people doing it on Twitter that are my friends and I'm like, bro, you're killing yourself. | ||
| Like, you're giving yourself stress levels from being in these constant Twitter battles with people. | ||
| You're distracting yourself, too. | ||
| Yes, for sure. | ||
| I think being in the Navy and things like that, it always scared me because we used to have chiefs and things talk about, like, the Chinese and the Russians and, like, everyone going to war and things like that. | ||
| And I always would look at, like, the younger sailors and I'm like, oh, man. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Are we going to be okay if anything terrible happens? | ||
| Because these guys aren't paying attention to jack shit. | ||
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| They're not like... | ||
| And I'm not saying that I'm tougher than anyone ever. | ||
| I never will. | ||
| I'm just saying when I joined the Navy, since I had so... | ||
| Like you were saying about artists, you're inspired by the people around you. | ||
| So my dad and my fucking mom and my grandpa, they were all in the Navy and I was inspired to be in the Navy. | ||
| And like fucking fight for my country and shit like that. | ||
| Hmm, and I wonder now if people are like Forgotten Country-esque like that kind of shit like what the movies are about Like that like the wartime movies and things like that. | ||
| There's no great war like Fight Club said, you know Like I fear that if things were to happen would people have that American spirit like that Empire State Building spirit that made things like so fucking Legendary and like the pictures that you see of those guys climbing on the buildings. | ||
| Well, that's what the propaganda that we always get that says this is how China thinks about us and this is how Russia thinks about us. | ||
| This is, you know, like you always get that from a lot of like the hardcore right-wingers. | ||
| That's what their perspective is. | ||
| That China and Russia are making fun of us while we are arguing about gender wars and whether or not, you know, a trans woman can use the woman's bathroom and, you know, and we're concentrating on these silly things about what is your pronoun and meanwhile they're trying to make people as manly as possible and they're trying to Figure out a way to continue to feminize America. | ||
| That's like the grand. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Conspiracy. | ||
| But you see, dude, you see those like Chinese marching videos and things like that? | ||
| And I say that with respect, but like, you see all these like, yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| They're all like, like, they're all in sync and things like that. | ||
| Some severe discipline. | ||
| And there's also like, there's a rejection of feminization there. | ||
| They did something recently where they like outlawed boy bands. | ||
| What did they do? | ||
| Yeah, that kind of stuff, like K-pop bands. | ||
| I was reading this, I'm the worst at this, where I'll read a headline and go, I got enough information. | ||
| I know now, man. | ||
| I know it all now. | ||
| I read one paragraph in and then I got distracted by a phone call. | ||
| See if you can find that, Jamie. | ||
| China banned boy bands. | ||
| I found an article from 2021 saying that. | ||
| No, it was a real recent thing. | ||
| I know, but it says the same thing. | ||
| Okay, China to ban sissy boy bands. | ||
| I want to know who quoted that. | ||
| Who said sissy bands? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is that a Chinese interpretation of a word? | ||
| There's not a guy on TV saying we've got to ban sissy bands. | ||
| The state regulator is calling for a boycott of pop acts that don't conform to macho standards as well as overly entertaining and vulgar internet celebrities and influencers. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Get out now. | ||
| But do you think that's but do you think that's um, but do you think that's propaganda? | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| I mean we're not we don't really know like we're just guessing like just that like they're guessing unless you can read Mandarin Unless you have boots on the ground over there So you really know what's going on unless you know like exactly what's going on in terms of like how much censorship How much censorship are they involved in really? | ||
| What how about the face ID system? | ||
| How often are they using is that everywhere the social credit score system? | ||
| Is that all real like the central bank digital currency? | ||
| Is that all real where it's tied to the credits? | ||
| Is this ubiquitous? | ||
| Is it through the entire country? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| What are we looking at? | ||
| And it's hard to say, because I'm sure there's propaganda that comes from both sides. | ||
| I'm sure there's propaganda from them, there's propaganda from us. | ||
| It's hard to say today, like, what exactly is going on, but it seems like they are doing things, at least in some videos that I've watched, where that sort of technology where they were talking about with the ears in that cartoon, they're doing something similar, at least a test version of it, with children in classes, where they have this headgear on, and the headgear is monitoring whether or not the kids are paying attention. | ||
| I'm going to college right now and I was taking a proctored exam the other day and I was talking with my buddy about it and he was saying that We might sound like idiots if this doesn't exist, but they were saying that in the classrooms in China and things like that, or whatever country, they have video cameras that monitor where eyes are going. | ||
| That's what they were talking about in this thing. | ||
| So these kids had these headsets on, and they were monitoring their faces to make sure that they weren't looking at their phones and they weren't looking somewhere else. | ||
| And then this headgear they had on, it was indicating whether or not they were paying attention. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so I guess there's a different frequency. | ||
| But doesn't that make you a different person when you're cheating in class as a fourth grader? | ||
| Doesn't that make you resourceful? | ||
| It does a little. | ||
| That's why I believe in the American... | ||
| I'm conflicted in my own head because all these... | ||
| This has nothing to do with what we're talking about. | ||
| But a lot of right-wingers and left-wingers, I feel like they have the wrong idea of what the American spirit is. | ||
| But also, on this hand, I'm like, America's the best country in the world. | ||
| We got to figure it out. | ||
| We're like the American spirit is alive and well and I think we'd be fine if it came down to it. | ||
| If we fall apart to totalitarianism, it's a giant blow to humanity because if totalitarian reaches a place that has the most freedom, And the problem with freedom is people are willing to give it up if it suits their side. | ||
| And you're hearing this from people all the time. | ||
| You used to hear it from people on the right, but now you're hearing it from people on the left, where they're willing to silence people's free speech if they think that what they're saying is dangerous. | ||
| And you can't do that because no one gets to decide what's dangerous and what's not dangerous. | ||
| Because if you allow people to, they keep moving that fucking goalpost. | ||
| And then they'll silence you. | ||
| And then if you're a liberal and you vote for this and you want this to happen, then it gets in place and then a Republican wins and they use that same thing to stifle liberalism. | ||
| It's all competition. | ||
| So this is the kids with the things in their head. | ||
| And that green light is apparently or one of the different color lights. | ||
| White means you're offline. | ||
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It looks so happy. | |
| So that means you're not paying attention. | ||
| This is a Black Mirror episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| And so they use facial recognition to make sure the kids are paying attention. | ||
| Who owns the Wall Street Journal? | ||
| Look at this facial recognition. | ||
| I do not know. | ||
| Look at their facial recognition. | ||
| How wild is that? | ||
| That's what I was talking about with the proctored exam I was taking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| But, dude, there's such a fine line between, like, safety and cheating and, like... | ||
| Is it good or bad? | ||
| Well, it's not cheating, but it definitely is enforcing concentration. | ||
| If the results are better, right? | ||
| If they get better grades, is that worth it? | ||
| To completely give up freedom like that and to have a fucking headband on? | ||
| And then people don't rise to the top either. | ||
| If they're great? | ||
| They probably still will. | ||
| Because even if you're paying attention, you might be just a dumbass. | ||
| Whereas some people are paying attention and they have brilliant ideas. | ||
| I think there's always going to be competition. | ||
| Whether you're focusing... | ||
| There's going to be more competition, probably, because more people will be forced to be disciplined. | ||
| They'll be forced to do the work as opposed to fucking off and procrastinating. | ||
| Yeah, but those people do amazing shit too. | ||
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| The shitty guys, man, in class. | ||
| I was shitty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I never had good... | ||
| I was always shitty. | ||
| Teachers hated me. | ||
| And if you want good songs. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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| Dude, and also, I don't have kids yet. | ||
| If your kid came home and was like, hey, I had this... | ||
| Headband on today that was making sure I didn't look to the paper next to me. | ||
| How would you feel about it? | ||
| Not good. | ||
| I would not be into that. | ||
| I would not allow that. | ||
| I would find another school. | ||
| I just think you have to have a certain amount of freedom, especially coming from a person like me, who's a creative person. | ||
| What I do, it didn't exist When I was a kid, it's a new thing to be able to podcast. | ||
| Stand-up always existed, but that's also a very creative thing. | ||
| You've got to be able to have freedom. | ||
| Podcasting is fairly new, right? | ||
| It's like 20 years old. | ||
| But stand-up is 100 years old or whatever it is. | ||
| But the most recent versions of it, you can't have that unless you have freedom of expression. | ||
| You can't have it. | ||
| It won't exist. | ||
| Chinese primary school stops using headbands to study people's concentration levels after public outcry. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Well, that's good that there's public outcry. | ||
| This was four years ago this article got posted. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It's weird that the video has been going around even recently. | ||
| Yeah, interesting. | ||
| It's just people reciprocating information. | ||
| Well, the outcry probably just keeps continuing because people are terrified of that being the... | ||
| This topian future that we're all monitored constantly by Big Brother, and that we give in to it because we want a little bit of comfort, which is what's fucking scary. | ||
| That's what's scary. | ||
| That people taking advantage of bad situations. | ||
| And, you know, if there's something breaks out in this country, some kind of a war or something really scary, you have to be very careful of anybody whose solution is to take away your rights to protect you. | ||
| Gotta be very careful of that, because that's what tyrants do, and they've always done things like that. | ||
| Always. | ||
| And they have all the information. | ||
| That's the other thing that's crazy. | ||
| They have all your data. | ||
| They have everything. | ||
| They have your geo-tracking location. | ||
| They know where you are. | ||
| From the time you were a kid, for me at least. | ||
| That thing on your fucking iPhone can track you and you can decide to let your friends track you. | ||
| Other people can track you too. | ||
| That's scary, man. | ||
| That's freaky, bro. | ||
| It's fucking freaky. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| And every... | ||
| The internet's weird. | ||
| It's all weird, but so is this artificial intelligence thing that we're talking about, and then this UFO thing. | ||
| Like, why is that? | ||
| Why is that, like, in the mainstream discussion so frequently today? | ||
| You think that it's a distraction from someone? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Dude, aliens are real, right? | ||
| That was decided? | ||
| Well, listen, I don't know. | ||
| But I think it's very unlikely that we are the only consciousness in the universe, the only intelligent, conscious, communicating being other than like whales and orcas. | ||
| So if that's the case, so if there are things out there, it's very likely there's going to be many more than we can even imagine. | ||
| And it's very likely they're going to be older than us. | ||
| So they're probably to figure things out. | ||
| And if they evolved in a stable atmosphere, in a place that doesn't have meteor showers slamming into it every few thousand years like Earth does, maybe they got way further ahead of us very quickly. | ||
| You know, maybe they didn't have to go through all the brutality. | ||
| Maybe they never had dinosaurs. | ||
| Maybe they didn't have to have an asteroid hit them to kill off the dinosaurs. | ||
| Maybe they're like small lizard intelligence that evolved. | ||
| And they're way more advanced. | ||
| And they're way more advanced. | ||
| Like a million years more advanced than us. | ||
| But did you see the court? | ||
| You saw the court case, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Very closely watching this. | ||
| The guy being like, yeah, man, we got aliens in the back, bro. | ||
| He definitely didn't say it like that, but he said that there are reports that indicate that there are biological entities that have stored in freezers that are of alien... | ||
| Whether it's interdimensional or from another planet, something very different. | ||
| And they have crashed vehicles. | ||
| Not just one, but many. | ||
| As many as 12 crashed vehicles. | ||
| And then there is a UFO crash retrieval program. | ||
| And they believe that this program was probably what they used when they went to Brazil in, was it 96, the Varginha case? | ||
| That long ago? | ||
| There's a case in 1996 that James Fox did a great movie on called The Moment of Contact. | ||
| And The Moment of Contact is all about this one town in Brazil where everyone was there when this UFO was over their city. | ||
| Like, everyone has a story. | ||
| Was there evidence? | ||
| Like, were there videos and things like that? | ||
| Well, there's a guy who died who carried the body to a car. | ||
| He carried the body to a car and they brought it to a hospital. | ||
| And the hospital's like, get that fucking thing out of here. | ||
| And they brought it to another hospital. | ||
| And they're like, get that fucking thing out of here. | ||
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This happened? | |
| Yes. | ||
| That's all documented. | ||
| And then the guy who was a soldier who carried this alien being, that guy died of a horrible bacterial infection that they couldn't cure. | ||
| They didn't know what the fuck it was. | ||
| He died really quickly. | ||
| Within two weeks, he was dead. | ||
| No, man. | ||
| And he was a young, fit guy. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| They have a fucking giant... | ||
| Like UFO monument in the middle of the city. | ||
| Like when you enter into the city in Virginia, there's a huge UFO there. | ||
| And James Fox is like, he's filming all this and talking to these people. | ||
| This guy who was the police, he was a police officer that investigated the crash. | ||
| When they brought him to the scene, they brought him to the woods, to the scene of where this thing supposedly crashed, the guy breaks down and starts crying. | ||
| I mean, he's fucking weeping, weeping. | ||
| So either he's the greatest actor in the world, Why was he weeping? | ||
| Because he was there? | ||
| Because he remembered that thing. | ||
| He remembered seeing that crashed UFO. He remembered seeing this alien body. | ||
| And these girls, they talked to these two girls that ran into one of the things that was still alive. | ||
| And they described it. | ||
| There's an actual statue of it that we have in the studio. | ||
| Or in the comedy club. | ||
| And that's them today. | ||
| That's them when they were little girls, and that's them today. | ||
| The whole town saw it, man. | ||
| The whole town. | ||
| Like, he kept interviewing people after people that talked about it, that were there. | ||
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Huh. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| What's he describing that stick for? | ||
| I wonder what that's about. | ||
| I think he's probably describing the impact, how the thing slammed into the ground. | ||
| There was a crazy lightning storm, apparently, and this thing fell in the crazy lightning storm. | ||
| It got hit and disabled and crashed into the earth. | ||
| And apparently the Air Force sent something to retrieve it. | ||
| So the Air Force flew into Virginia, Brazil, and that's all been documented by James Fox too, that they did send a plane there to go retrieve this thing. | ||
| And now that this guy's come forward and then the government is allowing him to say it. | ||
| I was about to ask. | ||
| Yeah, so the government is allowing this guy to say they have a retrieval project. | ||
| And this is all like they're allowing him to say these things. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| Well, he only can stay within the lines. | ||
| And you saw that during the testimony. | ||
| How careful he was about it? | ||
| Yes, there was multiple questions they had where he said, I can't ask you that. | ||
| I can answer it. | ||
| What is it called in a skiff? | ||
| Is that how they say it? | ||
| So, a SCIF is like the way I've been explained to me. | ||
| Make sure this is right. | ||
| It's like a completely soundproof room that has no electronics. | ||
| Okay, here it is. | ||
| A sensitive compartmentalized information facility. | ||
| It's an ultra-secure room where officials and government contractors take extraordinary precautions to review highly classified information. | ||
| So they go into this very, very protected room and then they'll break out these laptops and they'll break out these photographs and videos and they'll show them what these things are. | ||
| They'll show them the biological entities. | ||
| They'll show them the crashed UFOs. | ||
| They'll show them the high-resolution videos of these things hovering over military bases. | ||
| They'll show them all the reports of them shutting down all the nuclear systems. | ||
| It's wild shit if it's true, but it doesn't feel true. | ||
| Why would it not feel true? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because maybe if aliens are real, maybe if this disclosure is so real, maybe it's so mind-blowing that it just feels like nonsense to me. | ||
| But something about it just feels a little fake. | ||
| You said the UFO thing happened in 96? | ||
| I think the Varginia Brazil one was 1996, yeah. | ||
| If it's been around for that long, why is it just now? | ||
| Roswell, New Mexico was 1947. The Roswell, New Mexico crash was on the front cover of the Roswell Daily Record. | ||
| I have it framed. | ||
| It's the front cover of the Roswell Daily Record. | ||
| They talk about a flying saucer that crashed in a ranch. | ||
| And so these people or these military people who were there reported initially, who is the guy? | ||
| Pull up the Roswell story. | ||
| This is a crazy story. | ||
| So that was on the front page of the Roswell Daily Record. | ||
| RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. | ||
| No details of flying disc are revealed, and then they talk about the people who are... | ||
| It's really difficult to read the print in this image of it. | ||
| Yeah, but someone has to approve of this getting printed and things like that, so I feel like if this information... | ||
| Yeah, well, then the next day. | ||
| Then the next day, they said, oh, it was just a weather balloon. | ||
| Sorry, I made a mistake. | ||
| And so they had this press conference where they posed with these pieces of aluminum foil and, like, very clear weather balloon. | ||
| The problem is all the eyewitnesses have a very different account. | ||
| They talk about this kind of metal that you could crumple up in your hand. | ||
| It was light as a paper. | ||
| And then it... | ||
| You would open it, it would go right back to its original form. | ||
| They talk about these pieces of metal that were impossibly strong but impossibly light. | ||
| And they had some kind of writing on them that looked like Egyptian hieroglyphs or some kind of ancient, some kind of symbols on it that they didn't know what the fuck they were. | ||
| They looked very alien. | ||
| And they talk about biological entities that were in the crash that they transported to this funeral home. | ||
| And there's this documentation of them making these small coffins. | ||
| And there's a lot of weird shit where people that were there talked about seeing the bodies. | ||
| There's multiple versions of the same story. | ||
| Now, it could be just nonsense. | ||
| It could be like a folklore thing that people just started talking about and everybody ran with it and then it becomes like a A tourist trap. | ||
| Like people go to Roswell to, you know, the fucking... | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
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They do. | |
| Economic booster or something. | ||
| It is an economic booster. | ||
| UFO freaks go to Roswell, New Mexico every year. | ||
| Do you ever think you're going to be that old person in those old videos that you think, like, when you used to watch about aliens, they'd be like, man, I saw the saucer. | ||
| In my backyard, you know what I mean? | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| Like in the future, you're just the guy on the video. | ||
| Not you either. | ||
| I'm just saying... | ||
| Imagine if that is you. | ||
| Like imagine if you're on tour and you guys are out in the middle of nowhere and you're at a fucking truck stop. | ||
| You pull over to take a leak and you step outside and there's a fucking UFO. Oh, I've seen it. | ||
| You have? | ||
| Taking shrooms, yeah. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Yeah, I walked outside and saw a UFO. Probably really. | ||
| You probably can't see them normally. | ||
| The shrooms reveal them. | ||
| No way. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Well, it might be... | ||
| But they're getting more and more real now. | ||
| It's freaking me the fuck out. | ||
| It might be more complicated than we're thinking. | ||
| Interstellar stuff. | ||
| Not just interstellar, but interdimensional. | ||
| And what does that really mean? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| And maybe there's certain times where we have access. | ||
| We don't know how to do it. | ||
| Like we can't just go there. | ||
| But maybe there's an opening and maybe they have access to us. | ||
| Maybe they can create these openings and just appear. | ||
| Maybe they're from something that is so different than what we're experiencing here on Earth that we can't even understand what the fuck they're talking about. | ||
| There might be a million years more advanced than us in a completely different dimension and they figure out a way to visit. | ||
| And they can figure out a way to just show up and hover and move around things. | ||
| Look, if we can send a probe to Mars and Elon can shoot a Tesla into space, who the fuck knows what some insanely advanced civilization that has no war-like primate behavior like we do. | ||
| Maybe they've completely evolved past that. | ||
| Maybe they have no jealousy and rage and envy. | ||
| Maybe they've engineered negative emotions out and maybe they read minds. | ||
| And maybe these things are just insanely advanced. | ||
| And it's their job to help usher in other civilizations into the next stage of existence, which would be an existence without war and violence. | ||
| An existence where human beings sort of achieve almost a hive mind. | ||
| That makes the whole God conversation crazy. | ||
| Well, God might be the universe. | ||
| Instead of thinking that the universe created God, the universe might be God. | ||
| It might be conscious. | ||
| The whole thing might be conscious. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| When I look around, though, here's my thing. | ||
| Sometimes when I'm, like, running or, like, hiking or I'm on the lake or I'm playing a show and everyone's singing back to me or I feel a certain way towards someone or whatever, those moments are, like, too grand and, like, beautiful to, like, not believe in God for me. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You ever feel like that? | ||
| You ever been on a mountaintop and you're like, oh, man, this is crazy? | ||
| I believe in something. | ||
| I think the problem that people have is the Word. | ||
| And when you say God, people automatically think of this very rigid, organized religion perspective that's based on ancient scripture. | ||
| Yeah, it's ruined it for a lot of people. | ||
| Yeah, whether it's the God of, you know, whatever religion you choose to believe in God. | ||
| There's a bunch of different religions, a lot of them believe in God, right? | ||
| But if you don't want to think that there's something going on Something like insanely complex that's constantly moving, at least in our lives, in our existence, constantly moving in this ever-evolving direction. | ||
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Why? | |
| Is it possible that this is how the universe creates more universes and the universe creates new things and these things become more and more advanced and everything continues to always advance? | ||
| Just like we were talking about it doing with music and movies. | ||
| Maybe it's how it does it with planets. | ||
| Maybe it's how it does it with everything. | ||
| Things constantly get better. | ||
| And the beings get better at manipulating reality. | ||
| They get better at creating black holes and being able to pass through wormholes and being able to manipulate space-time. | ||
| How did you get to that perspective if you're from, like, Boston and things like that? | ||
| Like, did you grow up in the Catholic Church? | ||
| Well, I was Catholic Church when I was a kid. | ||
| Did Catholic school for first grade. | ||
| But then, you know, we got out of it. | ||
| It was a horrible experience. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| And then I kind of fell out of religion as a young kid because my Catholic school experience was so bad. | ||
| Like a really mean nun who taught first grade. | ||
| But it was also a good lesson that there's people like that in the world. | ||
| Because I never met anybody like that before. | ||
| Religiously mean? | ||
| Like about God and things like that? | ||
| I was six. | ||
| Everybody in my life was nice to me. | ||
| I was a little kid. | ||
| So everybody's nice to me. | ||
| My grandparents are nice. | ||
| My uncles are nice. | ||
| Everyone's nice. | ||
| And then all of a sudden you're in this school where this nun is a cunt. | ||
| And I was like, oh, shit, I didn't know there's people like this out there. | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| I didn't know there was going to be people that would just mean to you for no reason. | ||
| Not yell at you if you did something wrong. | ||
| I've experienced that. | ||
| Every kid does. | ||
| But mean to you. | ||
| Like corporal punishment? | ||
| Like scaring you. | ||
| Telling you're going to, oh, yeah, she hit people. | ||
| Rotten hell or something like that? | ||
| But tell you, I'm going to make you sit on a nail in the closet. | ||
| You're not going to be able to go home. | ||
| You're never going to see your parents again. | ||
| Like, crazy. | ||
| See, growing up, religion and things was so nice to me because I grew up in a Baptist church and everyone was loving and shit. | ||
| Yeah, there's something about that Catholic guilt. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I'm not saying Catholicism is weird, but there's a strictness to it that makes you feel unwelcomed. | ||
| Yeah, and there's a lot of these priests that like to drink. | ||
| Which is insane. | ||
| They like to get fucked up. | ||
| This priest gave my grandmother her, you know, her last rites. | ||
| And he kept saying her name wrong. | ||
| And people had to correct him. | ||
| Like her name was Josephine. | ||
| He was saying, Geraldine left behind a great family. | ||
| He's like, it's Josephine. | ||
| Her name is Josephine. | ||
| He was just going through the motions. | ||
| And I remember seeing him before they started the thing and looking at his face and thinking, like, this guy is drunk a lot. | ||
| Like he had those gin blossoms all over his nose and his face. | ||
| Like when he was just talking to people and everything? | ||
| When he was getting ready and setting up, I was looking at his face like, wow, this guy looks super unhealthy. | ||
| Communion wine, baby. | ||
| Yeah, well, not just communion wine. | ||
| I'm sure they're getting drunk. | ||
| That's not allowed, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it allowed? | ||
| But imagine your occupation does not ever allow you to be in love. | ||
| It makes me... | ||
| Did you see that Mark Wahlberg movie? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Where he gets paralyzed and he just wants to be a priest? | ||
| No, I didn't see that one. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| You've got to watch it. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
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Father's 2. Father Stu, you have to watch it. | |
| It's so good. | ||
| All he wants to do is be a priest. | ||
| There's a girl in it. | ||
| There's some big actresses and actors in it. | ||
| He falls in love with her. | ||
| I don't even remember what happens, but he gets paralyzed in things. | ||
| I'm not going to ruin that movie either. | ||
| Is it a new movie? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| It came out within the last year, I think. | ||
| There's so many movies out. | ||
| It's impossible to keep up. | ||
| I got this crazy story. | ||
| I was in Chicago. | ||
| It involves the church that I grew up in and things like that. | ||
| When I was a kid, like 13 and 14 years old, we used to go on all these mission trips, like, as a church. | ||
| And we used to go to Chicago to this place called Maywood, and we would help all these kids out and, like, run a VBS. And there was nothing pretentious or weird about it. | ||
| We would just go and, like, play kickball with kids and, like, talk about God and Jesus and things. | ||
| And it was this park in Chicago that we would always go to, like Maywood Park. | ||
| And it's kind of the rougher side of Chicago, but being a kid, I was naive to that, so I didn't know. | ||
| So it's beautiful to think about that I had no idea that it was the rougher part of town. | ||
| It was just fun for us. | ||
| And we went back to Chicago two weeks ago to play the Windy City Smokeout. | ||
| And I was there, and I was there for three days, so I didn't really have anything to do. | ||
| And one of the days I was off, I wanted to go to that park that I went to when I was 13. So it's been like 17 years, or 15 years, since I'd been there. | ||
| And I haven't talked to the pastors and things that I had. | ||
| Like, we had pastors growing up. | ||
| I don't know about Catholicism, but they're just called pastors, like the guys who are over you. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| On the way there, I had no idea where I was going. | ||
| I didn't even remember where this park was. | ||
| In Maywood, Chicago. | ||
| I didn't even know where Maywood was. | ||
| So I just typed in Maywood into the Uber app. | ||
| And my... | ||
| It was so beautiful, man. | ||
| Like, the Uber started driving me out there. | ||
| And I was riding out there, and I was like, where is this park? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| The story's all over the place, sorry. | ||
| But when we used to go on that mission trip, Chicago had been flooded really terribly, and there was this lady named Miss Barnes, who I had helped clean out her house when it had flooded really bad. | ||
| And she had written me letters while I was in the Navy. | ||
| Like letters throughout the years, and I would write her back and things like that, and I would send them back and forth. | ||
| One day I sent her a letter and it was sent back to the sender because she had passed away. | ||
| And I had known when I saw the damn back to sender thing. | ||
| So I'm on my way to this old church that we used to do these missions out of and I'm calling my old youth pastors. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, where's this park at? | ||
| Where's this church at? | ||
| And finally I get in touch with this guy named John who lives in Maywood and he sent me all the addresses to like the park and the house and everything and I go out there and it's been 15 years and I'm sitting in this park and it's a Friday at like 6 p.m. | ||
| and when we used to go out there there used to be just be all these kids and things like that playing kickball and like in the basketball in the basketball courts and at the park and like there was an American flag hanging up and stuff and I went out there and there was nobody And it was completely desolate. | ||
| It was 5 p.m. | ||
| on a Friday in the summertime. | ||
| And I was just sitting on the bleachers and I was looking around. | ||
| I was like, man, this has got to mean something. | ||
| It's got to mean something terrible or crazy. | ||
| Like, are people just inside now? | ||
| Do people just hang out inside? | ||
| And then I went to the house that she had lived in, Ms. Barnes, the one that I'd cleaned out from the flood, and no one was there. | ||
| And this John guy who I'd gotten in contact with had bought her house, had purchased her house, like the mission guy. | ||
| And that's like, those are the reasons why I believe in God, because that was crazy. | ||
| Like I was driving out there and I had no idea where I was going, what I was doing. | ||
| And it turns out the guy I talked to was the guy who had purchased Miss Barnes' house, who I had written letters to all those years. | ||
| And I'd been to that park and everything. | ||
| Man, you ever go back to somewhere you spent time as a kid? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Isn't it weird? | ||
| It freaked me out a lot. | ||
| I was listening to music and I was walking around and I remembered stepping in the same places. | ||
| What was weird is for me when I went back to the town... | ||
| Sorry, that was so random, man. | ||
| It was just reminding me of going to church and things like that. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| When I was a kid and I went back to my town where I grew up, what was weird was I had these memories that were just basically placeholder memories. | ||
| They were like... | ||
| Like, framework where I knew the specifics of stuff but I didn't really have a memory of it until I went there. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, like, everything filled in. | ||
| That's what freaked me out. | ||
| I was at the house and things like that and I was walking around and I was like, oh my god, I remember lifting this here and, like, kicking this ball here. | ||
| Yeah, it fills in. | ||
| The nostalgia of all that shit is nuts, man. | ||
| I'm not even that old. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, but things from your childhood, that's a long-ass time ago. | ||
| You think of how much different you are from when you were a kid. | ||
| That dimensionally freaks me out. | ||
| Yeah, it should. | ||
| I was talking about it last night, man. | ||
| I was in this... | ||
| I was in this fucking kiddie pool in this yard, and I was like talking to someone about it. | ||
| I was like, the reality of then is the same as the reality of now, but it's also different and weird. | ||
| That's got to be some weird dimensional thing, man, where it's like, that existed too. | ||
| Like, each day is the same. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you think about it, and like, is your nostalgia like a fucking... | ||
| What are your memories, man? | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| Like, how does that mean less than the present? | ||
| Well, they're definitely shaky. | ||
| You know, we all know our memories are shaky. | ||
| Even if things like your songs, like stuff you wrote, you have to concentrate on them, right? | ||
| You wrote them and sometimes you can forget the words. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Memory's weird. | ||
| And memory of specific things from the past is always slippery. | ||
| Until you're there again. | ||
| You're like, oh, I remember this. | ||
| It really freaked me out. | ||
| It really freaked me out to be sitting there. | ||
| Because I remember my dad with hair and shit. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I called my dad when I was there and I was like, man, this is nuts. | ||
| Do you remember your friends when they were in high school and now you see them now and they're all grown up and you're like, what the fuck? | ||
| And they're all like engaged and having kids and shit and you're like, wait, this came out of you? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| I remember you throwing a tequila bottle at Coach Craig's house, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| And now all of a sudden they have kids of their own and you're like, whoa, this is wild. | ||
| And some of them you're like, oh yeah, I guess, man. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| Becoming an adult human being is fascinating. | ||
| And then as you're becoming an adult human being, more and more other people are becoming adult human beings. | ||
| They have a different way of living their life than you do. | ||
| And that's why, like, every generation looks at the new generation. | ||
| Oh, these fucking kids today. | ||
| And everyone says it, and I've been feeling it so vividly. | ||
| What scares me the most about growing up is having songs. | ||
| It's got to freak you out, too, about having podcasts. | ||
| Do you ever feel like you're gonna look, like having all these songs from the time I was 22 to now, sometimes I'm like... | ||
| I've made peace with it. | ||
| It's just what I do. | ||
| I have conversations with people. | ||
| Like my kids are gonna hear it one day and be like... | ||
| Yeah, my kids listened to my podcast before. | ||
| Specific ones, especially people that they like on it, artists that they like. | ||
| They'll listen to this one. | ||
| Like your most vulnerable moments, you know, your kids. | ||
| That's beautiful though, man. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| We're fucking talking about aliens, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Sorry to your kids. | ||
| That's a fascinating thing to talk about. | ||
| My kids talk about it too. | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
| It's one of those things where it's like, if it's true, it's real. | ||
| The whole map that we have of reality is very different now. | ||
| These things really are visiting. | ||
| And they really are these super sophisticated creatures that have been here from the beginning. | ||
| They have been around as long as the Earth's been around. | ||
| They've been visiting and checking in on us. | ||
| That's real? | ||
| It'll change the trajectory of the entire universe. | ||
| That's why I brought God up earlier. | ||
| That's why I went into that fucking Chicago story. | ||
| But like... | ||
| It'll change how people have lived their lives for the last 600 years, which is scary, man. | ||
| That's gotta do something terrible. | ||
| Is it though? | ||
| Is it scary or is it good? | ||
| Is it just evolution? | ||
| Or is it just is? | ||
| Is it just is? | ||
| It just is life. | ||
| This is life. | ||
| This is what it is. | ||
| Like, you can just decide you wish we were living in 1967 when you had a fucking call on a phone that was... | ||
| Do you ever meditate? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Is it out of just like purely... | ||
| I do it when I want to clear my thoughts. | ||
| I do it in the sauna because it's a good way to concentrate while I'm cooking myself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've tried to before. | ||
| Sorry, the way you said that, like everything just is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that the thing? | ||
| Isn't that what meditating is? | ||
| It's like everything is coming and going. | ||
| For some people. | ||
| For some people, it's just a chance at stillness or attempt at stillness. | ||
| You know, but... | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| If the aliens are real, we're not going to be able to change it because we don't like it. | ||
| Yeah, true. | ||
| You just have to deal with it. | ||
| Like, you just have to deal with it. | ||
| World of War stuff. | ||
| We live in fascinating times. | ||
| Isn't that like a curse? | ||
| May you live in fascinating times? | ||
| Who said that? | ||
| Isn't that... | ||
| I think that was like an ancient curse. | ||
| People have had to have talked about this forever, though. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like forever, you know? | ||
| Like that's why I get freaked out by conversations like this. | ||
| I'm like, man, are we just... | ||
| No, because this is a different time. | ||
| I mean, this is a time where you're having congressional disclosure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the time where people who are on the inside are being allowed to talk about these things. | ||
| May you live in interesting times. | ||
| A Chinese curse would say, may he live in interesting times. | ||
| That's a Chinese curse. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And we definitely live in interesting times. | ||
| We're just writing songs, man. | ||
| Aliens exist, and I'm just writing songs. | ||
| And just living life. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Listen, man, I think we did like three hours. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| Yeah, time flew by. | ||
| Wow, yeah. | ||
| Kicked me out, man. | ||
| Great time, my friend. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Wow, this is a pleasure. | ||
| And I really appreciate you coming in. | ||
| It's been fun hanging out with you. | ||
| I loved your show. | ||
| And I'm a fan. | ||
| And I appreciate everything you do, man. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
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I appreciate it. | |
| Let's go. | ||
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All right. | |
| Hell yeah, man. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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