Nov. 1, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Hello, Duncan! | ||
| Hello! | ||
| I don't think this is gonna work. | ||
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Oh my god, I can't see. | |
| Ugh. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| I can't, like... | ||
| I can't see at all. | ||
| I don't know how you're supposed to see out of that. | ||
| It's a deadly outfit. | ||
| I guess I'll just put that on when I want to say something incriminating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Well, the Thought Police. | ||
| So, pull up that article, Jamie, at the beginning of this podcast. | ||
| We should probably go right into this. | ||
| Because, apparently, the Department of Homeland Security and Twitter were working together. | ||
| Are we on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't hear me. | ||
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There we go. | |
| The Department of Homeland Security, they had a plan to police information and they were working with Twitter in some fashion. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Quietly broadening its effort to curve speech it considers dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| An investigation by The Intercept has found years of internal DHS memos, emails, and documents obtained via leaks and an ongoing lawsuit as well as public documents illustrate the expansive effort by the agency to influence the tech platforms. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public, came into clear view earlier this year when DHS announced a new disinformation governance board. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| A panel designed to police misinformation, false information spread unintentionally, disinformation, false information spread internally, intentionally, excuse me, and malinformation, factual information shared typically out of context with harmful intent. | ||
| Mal-information is a weird one. | ||
| Mal-information? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's factual, but it's shared, typically out of context. | ||
| With harmful intent. | ||
| That's where you're like, look, you don't understand why we mowed down those reporters with a chopper. | ||
| It's out of context. | ||
| You can't just show the video. | ||
| While the board was widely ridiculed, immediately scaled back, and then shut down within a few months, other initiatives are underway as DHS pivots to monitoring social media now that its original mandate, the war on terror, has been wound down. | ||
| So that's been wound down. | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| Platforms have got to get comfortable with government. | ||
| It's really interesting how hesitant they remain. | ||
| Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, former DHS official, texted Jen Easterly. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Platforms have got to get comfortable with government. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Tim Pool sent me this this morning. | ||
| I didn't get a chance to read. | ||
| I was in the gym. | ||
| Look, you gotta get comfortable with government. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I've been saying. | ||
| Just get comfortable. | ||
| Yeah, why aren't you comfortable? | ||
| Cozy up. | ||
| Put on some sweatpants. | ||
| Cozy up. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's creepy. | ||
| I mean, I guess we all kind of suspected it though, right? | ||
| It's not like anybody... | ||
| Is that a shocker? | ||
| Well, what Tim Pool said is that Twitter was working with them. | ||
| I guess they weren't being honest about it. | ||
| They were working with them. | ||
| What were you telling me? | ||
| That Jimmy Kimmel tweeted something and tried to delete it? | ||
| Yeah, it looks like... | ||
| I could be wrong about this, but Kimmel was pissed at Musk. | ||
| Why? | ||
| For buying Twitter. | ||
| But what does he care? | ||
| What is he mad about? | ||
| So basically, like... | ||
| A lot of people seem to be really upset with Elon for buying Twitter because Elon is saying that he's not going to censor Twitter anymore. | ||
| He's going to like let, you know, all the banned people are going to get back on apparently. | ||
| You know, it's like they're trying to figure it out how to do it. | ||
| And so, this has upset a lot of people who were happy with the idea that it was being hyper-moderated in a way, I think, that fits in with their politics. | ||
| That was the idea. | ||
| So their team was in control for a second, and now somebody... | ||
| You know what it reminds me of? | ||
| It's like when a new booker shows up at a comedy club. | ||
| And all the comics start talking shit. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| It has been interesting over the years to watch you blossom from the electric car guy into a fully formed piece of shit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And look, see, it says this tweet was deleted by the tweet author. | ||
| Learn more. | ||
| He was replying to a tweet that Elon tweeted. | ||
| And what was the tweet? | ||
| That Elon deleted, which I think was the thing. | ||
| Oh, that was a tweet where it's like the Santa Monica Observer or something like that was tweeting something about the Paul Pelosi attack. | ||
| And that Santa Monica observer has been known to tweet things that aren't correct, or at least has, or not tweet, publish things that aren't correct, at least has in one instance that they were citing, something about Hillary Clinton. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But, you know, I think what Elon tweeted was there's a tiny chance that we might not be getting the full story. | ||
| And then he tweeted that story. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is the idea that maybe Paul Pelosi knew this guy. | ||
| Because people have been trying to pin that guy and say that he was a right-wing MAGA guy. | ||
| But didn't he live in, like, some fucking hippie collective? | ||
| And he made, like, hemp jewelry? | ||
| He did Woo to Cube Pipeline. | ||
| He went woo to Q. So like he apparently had some kind of blog or something. | ||
| I think he started off woo, super hippie, ayahuasca, mystical, and then gradually kind of devolved into Q. QAnon. | ||
| QAnon. | ||
| The best analysis I saw of it was a reporter saying that what the real story here is not like There's people who are psychotic all over San Francisco from doing so much speed, meth, drugs. | ||
| That's the real story. | ||
| The real story is that all over, like, the great cities of America, people are, like, high as a fucking kite and have been for so long that they're, like, spinning out of control. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| That's the story of stories. | ||
| It's like, yeah, sure, this guy went woo to cue. | ||
| Very common, it happens. | ||
| You start off, you're into taking supplements. | ||
| That leads to a new supplement you've never heard of. | ||
| That leads to some weird website you go to. | ||
| The next thing you know, you're rubbing weird balm all over your body. | ||
| Under a crystal. | ||
| Still fine. | ||
| Still cool. | ||
| But somewhere along the way, you get on one of these slides that lead you down into Q. And then the next thing you know, you're completely deep in that. | ||
| So that's what I've heard. | ||
| He's woo to Q. Woo to Q pipeline. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I like that term. | ||
| Is that a new term? | ||
| I've never heard that before. | ||
| It's been floating around for a little bit. | ||
| It's just one of the things that happens. | ||
| Robert Anton Wilson, the great Robert Anton Wilson, his recommendation is maintain agnosticism when it comes to the exploration philosophically of anything, really. | ||
| So when you're contemplating this or that, let yourself believe it. | ||
| But don't believe it all the way. | ||
| Maintain agnosticism. | ||
| You can, like, play around with the idea that the Earth is flat. | ||
| You can play around with the idea that the Illuminati elite run the planet. | ||
| You can play around with any idea you want, in fact, in a great simulator of your brain. | ||
| But... | ||
| Don't go all the way. | ||
| If you go all the way, that's where you can start, like, spiraling out. | ||
| Here, Woo Anon, the creep of QAnon into Southern California's New Age world. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Woo to Q. Woo to Q pipeline, right there. | ||
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Okay, so this is a new thing. | |
| I think part of the problem with a lot of these theories is that some people, I'm just going to try to say this as kindly as possible, they don't have good brains. | ||
| And I say this as a person who has a decent brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I know people with fantastic brains. | ||
| There's no fairness. | ||
| I met this guy the other night. | ||
| This poor guy. | ||
| I don't know what was wrong with him. | ||
| But he was hunched over. | ||
| And he was very, very frail and hunched over. | ||
| And whether this is because of a disease or whether this is because... | ||
| I don't know what was wrong. | ||
| Something was wrong with him. | ||
| And I'm like, this is not fair. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| This guy got just a shit roll of the dice. | ||
| Now he has this body that's failing him. | ||
| And then you can meet someone like Francis Ngannou. | ||
| Who has this insanely perfect body. | ||
| He's like the super alpha. | ||
| UFC heavyweight champion. | ||
| 6'6", 265 pounds of just pure athleticism. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| And then the same applies to, I think, everything. | ||
| Like, all sorts of aspects of being a human being. | ||
| And the same applies to the way your brain works. | ||
| And if you're a person who unfortunately, for no fault of your own, you have this brain that's like not that good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it can't discern things that are illogical. | ||
| It can't make reasonable conclusions. | ||
| It can't look at things objectively. | ||
| It just can't. | ||
| It's like a two-gear car. | ||
| And then other people have a Tesla. | ||
| And that thing can just sort of maneuver around ideas. | ||
| Oh, I see what's going on here. | ||
| Oh, this is a conflux of all these conspiracy theories that all come together. | ||
| And this person has unfortunately adopted these wholesale and hasn't looked into them at all and now thinks there's lizard people that are shape changers, that are behind closed doors, that are running the world and that are trying to collapse all the societies. | ||
| You know, there's a real benefit to letting the fucking culture figure out what's right and what's wrong. | ||
| But along the way, people are gonna get tricked. | ||
| They're gonna get duped. | ||
| And some people are gonna fall into the hands of very manipulative people that are very charismatic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they have wacky fucking ideas about lizard people or whatever it is. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Look at fucking Heaven's Gate. | ||
| Jonestown! | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Think of that! | ||
| Like, how out of it do you have to be to get to the point where someone is like, it's time to drink cyanide. | ||
| Or, you know, you've been doing the test or something every day for a while, but how out of it? | ||
| Like, if you want to... | ||
| See, that's what's scary about being human. | ||
| We're hackable. | ||
| We're a fucking hackable, and people are really good at hacking us. | ||
| And you might think you have the most incredible mind of all time, but you're still susceptible. | ||
| In the same way, you've got a great immune system. | ||
| Have you ever been hypnotized? | ||
| Yeah, I got hypnotized. | ||
| My mom hypnotized me and a wart came off my hand. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| She was like studying psychology. | ||
| She hypnotized me. | ||
| I had this wart on this finger. | ||
| And then over the next few days, it just kind of like fell off. | ||
| Hypnosis is real, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It really does work. | ||
| But what it is is not what everybody thinks it is. | ||
| I think before, well, I should just correct that. | ||
| It's not what I thought it was. | ||
| I thought, like, you don't know what's going on. | ||
| And you go into, like, some sort of a trance and the person can get you to do anything. | ||
| Give me your ATM code. | ||
| But what it really is is, like, it puts you in a state of mind where you're very aware that They're in the state of mind. | ||
| And I've been thinking about it a lot. | ||
| And I've been thinking about the cult thing a lot and just the cult of joining one party or another party, too. | ||
| You know, like deciding you're a conservative or deciding you're a progressive. | ||
| I think it's a part of the design of the human animal that got us to cooperate in tribes. | ||
| I think in order for things to work and function, you have to have a very strong inclination that there's one leader. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you have to have resistance of that to find the better next leader. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so that's where people get angry at this one person that's running the whole thing. | ||
| But I think that when you scale that out to like 300 million people, it just doesn't work. | ||
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How could it? | |
| It doesn't work. | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We didn't design it for that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or whatever designed us, I should say. | ||
| Didn't design us for that. | ||
| Designed us for like tribes of 150 people. | ||
| I think what the internet is, is the great connector. | ||
| And the internet is connecting reality with this animal that desires to have a singular leader. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because it wants someone to protect the tribe. | ||
| But then the internet is like spitting and pissing and shitting all over that. | ||
| It's like an antidote to it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like Twitter's... | ||
| Twitter's fact-checking the President of the United States' incorrect facts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is crazy that that's happening. | ||
| Well, this is the emperor wears no clothes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's the fable, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Like these naked dudes going around. | ||
| Everybody's scared of them, so they're like, beautiful robes! | ||
| And then some kid is like, he's naked. | ||
| Look, he's obviously naked. | ||
| And then another person is like, oh yeah, you're right, he is. | ||
| It's like, that is the hope of the internet, is that truth... | ||
| It comes out and it destabilizes bad power, bad structures. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You want to. | ||
| You want to throw a monkey wrench into shit that doesn't work so that it like stops working and you rebuild instead of patching up old wobbly things that are like smokes coming out, gears are flying off, and you're supposed to pretend like it's working. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's where it gets creepy. | ||
| It's like, you know, if the machine that is failing Starts telling tech companies or whoever Like what is real and what isn't then a broken machine is then like articulating truth Which then so if someone starts telling the truth the emperor wears no clothes and then like Twitter throws up underneath like this is potential misinformation That's why this Department of Homeland Security | ||
| thing is so creepy and Because that would be the same people. | ||
| The same people that are telling you things that are factually inaccurate or that are getting fact-checked on Twitter would be the very people that would get to dictate what is mal-information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, mal-information was the craziest one. | ||
| Like, everybody thinks you shouldn't be able to say things that aren't true, right? | ||
| Or if you do, you must correct them. | ||
| Like, are you telling the truth or are you manipulating with lies? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't manipulate with lies. | ||
| So... | ||
| If maybe you said something and you thought it was true, let's correct that. | ||
| But if you just keep doing that over and over and over again and you never admit that, and then you're the one who gets to dictate what's mal-information, it's like the death throes of a dying system. | ||
| And it's reaching out and it's acting and behaving the way it used to be able to behave when it had total access to what people get informed about or not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It had complete control of that at one point in time. | ||
| Well, it's massive. | ||
| I mean, we're talking about How many offices are filled with people working for the government right now? | ||
| Like, how many? | ||
| If you put them in a building, like, would the building go all the way to the moon? | ||
| Would it be like a high-rise? | ||
| Probably the moon would be covered with government office buildings. | ||
| But, like, it's massive. | ||
| And then it's so huge that, you know, just people get put into departments. | ||
| And some of the people that get put in the departments are good, smart people. | ||
| And some of the people that get put in the departments, they suck. | ||
| Right, like everything in all walks of life. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| That's all it takes. | ||
| So you get one, like, everybody's had a shitty manager. | ||
| You get one shitty manager in some job where, like, he's got a little more power than he's supposed to have. | ||
| And then he's probably got people around him who are like, this is a bad idea. | ||
| And he's like, well, you're fired. | ||
| And then people come in who are like, this is a really good idea. | ||
| He's like, you're a genius if you think this is a good idea, because it is. | ||
| Then you have this terrible geometry of where a contagion happens, where this one asshole starts getting surrounded by concentric circles of assholes, and then those people have so much power. | ||
| And that's, I think, what's going on with it. | ||
| There's just too many people running things. | ||
| And of those people, there's got to be some that are great. | ||
| I know there is. | ||
| And there's some that are just abject, monstrous, power-hungry, coked-up assholes. | ||
| And I think that's when you start seeing shit like that. | ||
| It's clearly a sign of... | ||
| I mean, again, maybe I'm being naive. | ||
| But I'd like to imagine that that's coming from, like, a few assholes. | ||
| That's not coming from the totality of the U.S. government. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| It's just coming from, like, what, a thousand assholes? | ||
| But then there's also the real problem of actual misinformation that's being spread by bad parties. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, we know that. | ||
| We know that there's misinformation that gets spread by bad governments. | ||
| By, like... | ||
| Our enemies. | ||
| Like, we know that there's a whole industry to, like, these Russian troll farms. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, we've talked about this before, but on Facebook, 19 of the top 20 Christian sites were being run by Russian troll farms. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I remember you saying that. | ||
| You know how nuts that is? | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| That means they're, like, some conversations that are insane that don't make any sense. | ||
| Like, how is this a conversation? | ||
| Well, it might not be. | ||
| It might be we're getting manipulated. | ||
| It might be there's a bunch of... | ||
| And then the problem with people we were talking about before that we have this natural inclination to follow leaders. | ||
| We do that online too, man. | ||
| And if there's like some really good tweets that point in a certain direction, people will start agreeing with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People are easily... | ||
| The idea that manipulation only applies to like verbal or written in a statement. | ||
| No, it fucking applies to tweets too. | ||
| You can manipulate people with stuff. | ||
| Dude, I get manipulated all the fucking time. | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| I'm, like, always getting caught up in bullshit online. | ||
| I, like, go through, like, phases of, like, yeah! | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| I pendulum between teams, or I'll get caught up in some, like, deep, crazy conspiracy. | ||
| Like, it's a very potent... | ||
| By the way, I'm not saying it's potent because I get manipulated easily, but it's a potent... | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| The internet's a potent drug. | ||
| There's all kinds of operators. | ||
| It's not just Russian troll forums. | ||
| It's Discordians. | ||
| It's just basic, like, trolls who are bored. | ||
| It's who knows what. | ||
| Probably some cult will never know about. | ||
| Just some weird cult on an island somewhere with some nefarious purpose that's like trying to put some certain information on the internet. | ||
| It's an ocean of madness. | ||
| And maybe, like... | ||
| The horrible idea is, okay, we can control the ocean of madness. | ||
| That's what we're going to do because some of these people are other states trying to cause discord in our society that could lead to a civil war, the collapse of the United States. | ||
| We've got to do something about this. | ||
| Call up Twitter. | ||
| Listen, it's a problem. | ||
| You gotta let us tell you what's real and what's not real. | ||
| And at first, maybe that's great. | ||
| It's like, look, this is 100% coming from Russian trolls. | ||
| This, whatever this is, this is Russian AI trolls. | ||
| But then, all of a sudden, the president calls that department. | ||
| He's like, hey, is there any way that you could also start applying that to people who say that I seem like I'm kind of out of it? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And then... | ||
| But it's not even him. | ||
| He's not making that call. | ||
| It's like, yeah, his butler. | ||
| Well, imagine. | ||
| Just imagine. | ||
| You know how, like, if you're a lawyer and you have, like, a sneaky suspicion that your client is probably guilty, but it's your job to get them off. | ||
| Yeah, it's your job. | ||
| If you're a lawyer, your job is not to make a judgment in your head. | ||
| I think maybe this guy's lying and maybe he did it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Your judgment is to try to get your client off. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And that's why a lot of defense attorneys, man, that's a slippery fucking... | ||
| Weird world to be in, right? | ||
| But don't you think it's the same way in the government? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you're a person, if you're that poor lady who's the White House press secretary... | ||
| Worst job I've heard. | ||
| It's the fucking worst job! | ||
| Worst job! | ||
| It's the worst job! | ||
| You get all the hate of the president and none of the power. | ||
| And fucking everybody hates you. | ||
| Yeah, you're like a punching bag. | ||
| You just have to absorb that every day. | ||
| And you're under like extreme stress. | ||
| You're a person like no one knows who you are. | ||
| All of a sudden you have to speak publicly for the country. | ||
| That is such an insane role. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And to be young like this lady is doing it now. | ||
| How old is she? | ||
| 30-something? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Young. | ||
| She's so young. | ||
| Young. | ||
| To be in a position like that where you have a notebook in front of you and you have to answer these complex questions of what the fuck is going on in Yemen? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why are we giving so much money to Ukraine? | ||
| The president feels... | ||
| You're fucking talking for the whole country! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's such a crazy role! | ||
| You have to go into a meeting And they tell you what you're probably... | ||
| Oh, she's 48. She looks great. | ||
| Goddamn, I always thought she was like 33. She's healthy as fuck. | ||
| Healthy. | ||
| Healthy press secretary. | ||
| But yeah, you got to go in a meeting. | ||
| You have to like... | ||
| They're going to tell you like, look, they're going to ask you about this for sure. | ||
| Yesterday, we saw the vice president and the vice president... | ||
| This obviously didn't happen. | ||
| The vice president grabbed a baby and... | ||
| Out of someone's arms and threw the baby on the ground. | ||
| Now, the reason this happened is because we accidentally dosed her with some new MKUltra shit and she thought that she was like a Greek goddess and the baby was like a Hydra head. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| It was a bad experiment. | ||
| But... | ||
| Anyway, they're gonna ask you why did the vice president throw the fucking baby on the ground? | ||
| You don't tell them we drugged her accidentally with an MKUltra drug. | ||
| You gotta say low blood sugar. | ||
| The vice president is having low blood sugar and her hand shook and she didn't really throw the baby, obviously. | ||
| You've got to like go out there with that just load of shit and figure out a way to say it. | ||
| Not just to like one reporter, but to like 20, like one will ask. | ||
| And the whole world. | ||
| The whole world. | ||
| The whole world's watching. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You have to come up with some weird turn of phrase that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| When she had to explain why Joe Biden was bringing up a woman who was dead... | ||
| Top of mind! | ||
| Top of mind. | ||
| She was top of mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it was really like... | ||
| It was like, for what she had to work with... | ||
| It was some incredible gaslighting. | ||
| Amazing! | ||
| She's stuck to top of mind. | ||
| Top of mind's a good one because it's nonsense. | ||
| Because you're sitting there thinking, like, what does top of mind mean? | ||
| It's a new thing you can say. | ||
| You're getting distracted by it. | ||
| So you're like, is top of mind a thing? | ||
| Top of mind. | ||
| Top of mind. | ||
| And she just kept saying, it was top of mind. | ||
| You know, top of mind. | ||
| T-O-M, top of mind. | ||
| Okay, what? | ||
| And the reporters are like... | ||
| But they're all thinking, I don't even know that top of mind exists. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| Because I don't think she just came up with top of mind. | ||
| I think they're sitting back there like, just say top of mind over and over. | ||
| I think that exactly is probably what happens. | ||
| Like, there's probably some sort of consultation. | ||
| And what's the best phrasing? | ||
| Top of mind? | ||
| Top of mind sounds good. | ||
| Yeah, top of mind. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's real good. | ||
| So that's her job. | ||
| Just like a defense attorney, it's their job to try to get their client off. | ||
| That's her job. | ||
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What? | |
| What happened? | ||
| I thought you had an interjection. | ||
| No, it was just the... | ||
| Here we go! | ||
| As you all know, you guys were watching today's event, a very important event on food insecurity. | ||
| The president was naming the congressional champions on this issue and was acknowledging her incredible work. | ||
| This was after he called out her name when she was dead. | ||
| ...the congresswoman's family to the White House on Friday. | ||
| There will be a bill signing in her honor this coming Friday. | ||
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So, of course, she was on his mind. | |
| She was of top of mind. | ||
| Of top of mind. | ||
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...for the president. | |
| He very much looks forward to discussing her remarkable legacy of public service with them when he sees her family this coming Friday. | ||
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Jackie, are you here? | |
| Where's Jackie? | ||
| She must not be here. | ||
| No, I totally understand. | ||
| I just explained. | ||
| She was on top of mind. | ||
| Look at her eyes fluttering. | ||
| What we were able to witness today and what the President was able to lift up at this conference, at this event, was how her focus on wanting to deal with, combat food insecurity in America. | ||
| Pause, pause, please. | ||
| Imagine if this is someone working for you. | ||
| Imagine if you're in an office somewhere, Duncan, you're the CEO of a corporation, and something like this happens, and this person explains what happened to you, you'd go, I can't have you work for me anymore, because you're a liar. | ||
| Oh, I thought you meant... | ||
| Like, you're lying. | ||
| I thought you meant like... | ||
| No, if you're like a CEO of a company, and you have a meeting of like, there's some sort of a disaster took place, like, what happened? | ||
| And then... | ||
| You're confronted with information like this. | ||
| No, but he said over and over again, where's Jackie? | ||
| Is Jackie here? | ||
| Jackie must not be here. | ||
| Like, are you trying to say that he didn't forget that she was dead? | ||
| Because now I can't trust you about anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've sacrificed for the obvious any trust that I could have in you about anything in the future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's so obvious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's their job. | ||
| I mean, that's their job is to like professionally. | ||
| But it doesn't work. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| It kind of works. | ||
| Does it kind of work? | ||
| It kind of fucking works, man. | ||
| It works because you have to drop it? | ||
| The news cycle won't... | ||
| You can't keep going back to top of mind. | ||
| The news cycle's got to move on. | ||
| They know that. | ||
| You just slow it down enough and then some other shit happens and then everybody gets memory hold. | ||
| People forget about it. | ||
| And then it just moves on. | ||
| Imagine if Biden was doing your brain surgery and everyone was trying to tell you he's great. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| There's nothing wrong. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Can you fucking imagine? | ||
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Can you imagine? | |
| Imagine you have a rare sort of brain disease. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to open you up and it's only like a 7 out of 10 chance you'll even survive the operation. | ||
| Imagine if he was your Uber driver. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we don't have to play it. | ||
| We've all heard him do it. | ||
| You want to play it? | ||
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No, I was just... | |
| Do you feel he's playing it? | ||
| I was just showing you. | ||
| It felt like a good time to put him up there. | ||
| Do you want to play it? | ||
| I play it. | ||
| I want to thank all of you here for including bipartisan elected officials like Representative Governor, Senator Braun, Senator Booker, Representative... | ||
| Jackie, are you here? | ||
| Where's Jackie? | ||
| I didn't think she was going to be here. | ||
| To help make this a reality. | ||
| And thanks to Senator Stabenow, Representative DeLauro, for their leadership. | ||
| You'd be like, Grandpa. | ||
| Grandpa. | ||
| Well, he's a grandpa. | ||
| He's a grandpa. | ||
| We put a very, very old man in the most stressful job on Earth. | ||
| On Earth. | ||
| Worse than working in an Amazon warehouse. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Like a job that if I had that fucking job, I'd probably be like talking like that, too. | ||
| But just because I've been blasted on ketamine all the fucking time. | ||
| I'd be like so high because it's the only way you could cope with it. | ||
| How could you even cope with it if you're high? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| If you were a logical person, you'd be like, we have to disband this position. | ||
| This position is ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We might as well be a king. | ||
| I'm the king of this land for four years. | ||
| And for four years, I'll be a just king. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll be a good king to the land. | ||
| It's a brutal job. | ||
| It works if there's 150 people. | ||
| What do they get paid? | ||
| It's not a good salary for what they get. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What is the president? | ||
| 400k, I think. | ||
| 400k! | ||
| We're paying our fucking president. | ||
| That's one Burt Kreischer show. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| We should be paying them more. | ||
| If we were paying them more, maybe more people would be getting the job. | ||
| Shouldn't they get at least what, I don't know, an A celebrity gets for one movie? | ||
| Shouldn't they at least get that? | ||
| We're gonna pay them half a million dollars to like... | ||
| What's even creepier is what they all wind up being insanely wealthy. | ||
| I wonder how that happens. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| What happens is they give speeches. | ||
| So they give speeches to these people that help them get into position of being a president. | ||
| So, like, say if there's a large corporation, a large corporation, they donate a lot of money towards campaigns, and they also, oink, oink, we'd love to hear you talk someday. | ||
| Wait, you're not saying the corporations that give hundreds of millions of dollars for the president to come give the speech are actually secretly bribing them? | ||
| Well, that doesn't even make sense. | ||
| No one would think that. | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| Fortuitous pipeline to insane wealth to become a president and then give speeches. | ||
| Well, listen, if I was running a big corporation, you better believe I'd love to have a president come and give a five-minute speech. | ||
| A friend of mine saw Hillary Clinton speak once. | ||
| What did she say? | ||
| He said it was really weird. | ||
| It's like you're just watching someone get paid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're just watching some boring-ass speech. | ||
| I remember when Giuliani came to California. | ||
| And some people I know went to see that, too. | ||
| And it was the same sort of thing. | ||
| They were like, this is weird. | ||
| It's like right after 9-11. | ||
| And it's like, wow, you're just here seeing a guy get paid. | ||
| They're just saying a bunch of things, and they're like, okay, another 10 more minutes, and then I'm going to get out of here. | ||
| And what am I doing? | ||
| What are those speeches? | ||
| Imagine a speech that's worth a half a million dollars. | ||
| Imagine you're gonna bring a president in and he's gonna give a speech to all your CEOs and all these folks. | ||
| It's gonna be worth in value to you a half a million dollars. | ||
| Half a million dollar speech is a great speech. | ||
| It's not like Fluffy selling out the Dodger Stadium and crushing and doing stand-up and having people cry laughing for an hour and a half. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's not an act. | ||
| He's not the Rolling Stones. | ||
| He's not Tool. | ||
| He's just going to go up there, and they're going to talk about things that everybody already agrees on. | ||
| Like, the environment is a real issue, and we're going to solve it, bipartisan means. | ||
| And there's these speeches that they give. | ||
| Like, what do they say? | ||
| What kind of information do you have? | ||
| Like, I have the secrets of the scrolls. | ||
| I'll read them all to you. | ||
| That's what's worth a half a million dollars. | ||
| Or half a billion. | ||
| If you press your taint seven times and then pull your earlobes down, your hair will grow back. | ||
| And it actually works. | ||
| Right, that's worth a half a million dollars. | ||
| That's a half a million dollars speech. | ||
| But they're worth a half a billion. | ||
| Oh, you mean the presidents? | ||
| Yeah, they get to, like, crazy wealth. | ||
| Like, wild amounts of money come at them. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's like, what's funny about this sort of thing is, it's inarguably true. | ||
| Like, it's just, you can't describe it in any other way. | ||
| It's like, we can't just hand bags of money to people when we want them to, like, do things for us and the government. | ||
| But we can, like, hide it and do a speech. | ||
| You can't—the funny thing is it has to be a speech because, like, that is a thing where it's like, well, how do you quantify the worth of a presidential speech? | ||
| You can't have them come and say, like, paint the wall or, like, clean a bathroom and you give them $400,000. | ||
| It has to be a speech. | ||
| And so— It's like all of this stuff, it's all out there. | ||
| It's 100% true. | ||
| We're not being cynical or conspiratorial. | ||
| It's fucking weird to pay anybody that much for a speech, much less somebody who's still in power and is going to be responsible for potentially passing legislation or helping legislation pass that's going to massively impact whatever your particular industry is. | ||
| It's obvious what's going on. | ||
| Well, this is the kind of stuff, speaking of hypnosis, that's like just on the periphery, right? | ||
| Like if you want to hang out in default reality, you're not really supposed to spend too much time thinking about that. | ||
| You're not supposed to spend too much time thinking about the fact that private corporations and public government sectors of government are weirdly the same thing. | ||
| They're connected by an invisible It's not even invisible. | ||
| Barely invisible. | ||
| It's just kind of shadowy. | ||
| The idea is the private sector is supposed to be separate from the public sector. | ||
| The private sector, if it influences the public sector, it does it via voting. | ||
| That was the idea of democracy, voting. | ||
| Not through donating money to the campaigns that make them get elected because they have the most money. | ||
| There's probably the most charismatic, incredible, brilliant dude out there. | ||
| He's got it all figured out, for real. | ||
| Like, someone who makes JFK look like a complete fucking idiot. | ||
| Like, someone like that good. | ||
| And, I don't know, he's living somewhere, and maybe he's like, man, I think I could really help. | ||
| But, he's like, how am I gonna raise... | ||
| $500 million to run a presidential campaign. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| So he doesn't run. | ||
| He can't. | ||
| And if he did try to run, he couldn't get the money to get to the point where the other ones have gotten to because they're being supported by the corporations. | ||
| So really what we've done is like we've managed to filter out all the other people who could be awesome because they can't get the money. | ||
| It's so sad if you think about it. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Remember this last election? | ||
| You're looking at the two choices. | ||
| Like, imagine the Olympics, you know, or any, like, any other competition. | ||
| Imagine if, like, you're watching the two finalists in some Olympic, I don't know, gymnastic challenge, I don't know, like, tumbling or ice skating. | ||
| And like they both are really bad at fucking ice skating. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And you gotta pick one. | ||
| It's a binary now. | ||
| But they're both in different ways. | ||
| They're like really bad at it. | ||
| But you gotta pick one. | ||
| That's what really sucks. | ||
| That to me is like the real embarrassment in our country right now. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| You're giving us a shitty binary every fucking time. | ||
| And if I say, I don't want to participate in the binary, people are like, no, don't you get it? | ||
| Our country's future is in your hands. | ||
| You're like, yeah, but I don't like either of them. | ||
| They both seem awful. | ||
| One I don't like, the other I don't like. | ||
| I would not leave my kids alone with either of them. | ||
| I don't want to fucking support it at all, but we have to because it's a binary. | ||
| Do you not love your country? | ||
| Do you not believe in democracy? | ||
| But really you're looking at it like surely there were better people than this. | ||
| Like surely this isn't like the greatest representation of leadership. | ||
| I'm sorry I'm ranting a little too much. | ||
| No, it's perfect. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Imagine this. | ||
| We could reverse all the conditioning everyone fucking has been injected with on one side or the other for the last 10 years, right? | ||
| Then we just present like, alright, here's this dude and this dude. | ||
| One is Trump, one is Biden. | ||
| Would you like either of these people to be president? | ||
| Who would be like, oh yeah, let's get the fucking megalomaniac or let's get the old man who can't really put a sentence together. | ||
| Those are definitely the best choices out of all the other awesome, charismatic, young people out there who you could pick. | ||
| It's really depressing, man. | ||
| It's really depressing and it's sad that we're all at each other's throats. | ||
| Fighting over these like you know what I mean a stupid binary like we're presented with a dumb binary. | ||
| It's I Don't know I keep saying fucking no, it's a really good point. | ||
| It's a really good point because That's what separates most people. | ||
| It's not really their values It's that you think the other person is on the other party and the other party is inherently bad Everybody's doing it It's mostly incorrect. | ||
| Most people agree on most things. | ||
| Most people are good people. | ||
| Most people, we can't concentrate on the ones that aren't the most. | ||
| And we can't align ourselves with the ones who aren't the most. | ||
| The people that are the most asshole-ish on the left, that freak you out, Are just like the people that are the most asshole-ish on the right that freak you out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're the fucking, the rare extremes because that's just the spectrum of fucking human beings with any ideology. | ||
| You're gonna have the worst examples and the best examples. | ||
| You can meet Christians that literally make you want to go to church. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, my God, the way this man carries himself, the way this woman lives her life, the way they talk, the way they treat people, I want to be like that. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I want to be like that. | ||
| Because they're good at it. | ||
| They're really good. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| And that's like that with everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With everything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| With politicians, with everything. | ||
| And if we are, as a group, aligned with only one of two choices, and so you're either on this side or you're on that side, and you always look at the people across the fence, fuck you, and they look at you, fucking losers. | ||
| Sad. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| It's the best way to keep us divided. | ||
| It's fucking stupid. | ||
| Most people agree on most things. | ||
| And the things that we disagree on, we should be able to talk through. | ||
| Right! | ||
| It shouldn't be. | ||
| There should not be a prohibition on a conversation about shit, man. | ||
| I don't think that whatever the system is that's picking The people we have to vote for that gets it down to two people. | ||
| I don't think this system is working very well. | ||
| Let's imagine you were designing a machine. | ||
| The machine somehow could scan apples. | ||
| You press a button and the machine rolls out two of the best apples out of like 500 apples. | ||
| I don't know why you want the machine. | ||
| You just like good apples. | ||
| But imagine you press a button and two fucking worm-filled rotten apples roll out. | ||
| And instead of being like, oh shit, the machine's broken. | ||
| You go like, the machine works! | ||
| Clearly, these are the best fucking apples. | ||
| Pick one of them. | ||
| You can only pick one of them. | ||
| But don't say our machine's broken. | ||
| It's picking the best apples! | ||
| Look, they're great! | ||
| And then, of course, there's going to be bitterness and fighting and division. | ||
| Because it's like cognitive dissonance, man. | ||
| It's like you have to find a way to fix in your head that you have... | ||
| Hitched your fucking wagon to a bad apple, right? | ||
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| And that sucks and that's gonna create insecurity. | ||
| Insecurity creates fear, resentment, anger. | ||
| So then you just have a shit ton of insecure people battling each other because they're both somehow incapable of saying, yeah, our guy sucks. | ||
| So does your guy. | ||
| Yeah, our guy really sucks too. | ||
| The moment we start saying that, then things could get really cool. | ||
| That's where it could get really interesting. | ||
| Because I think most people should agree, like, come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Is your guy really that great? | ||
| You pick which guy it is. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Is that the best example of an American or a human being? | ||
| Is that the best example? | ||
| I mean, would you want that guy to... | ||
| Be alone with your kids. | ||
| And I'm saying you could use this for anybody. | ||
| You could use that test. | ||
| If you don't have kids, would you want that... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Would you want that guy to be alone with... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't fill in the blank if you don't have kids. | ||
| I'm sorry for doing like a breeder talk. | ||
| It's a good one. | ||
| Like the people that you protect over. | ||
| And I don't mean alone with your kids like they're going to abuse your kids. | ||
| I mean alone with your kids. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| Like, are they going to be able to tend to your kid? | ||
| Are they going to remember to feed your kids? | ||
| Are they going to keep your kids from doing all the crazy shit kids do? | ||
| Will they even be able to pick your kid up and put your kid in the crib? | ||
| Like, are they capable of being alone with your children? | ||
| If the answer is no, You gotta find someone else for the fucking job, because they're in charge of all of us! | ||
| They're in charge of all of us! | ||
| You gotta find someone who's going to be able to do shit that keeps all of our fucking kids okay. | ||
| And if they can't be alone with kids, then probably they shouldn't be president, if you ask me. | ||
| They shouldn't be president if they can't drive a car. | ||
| I don't think they should be president. | ||
| This isn't an ageist thing to say. | ||
| I mean, it's whatever age you are. | ||
| You should be able to drive a car. | ||
| You should know how to like get in a car and drive it down the road and use your turn signals and what the speed limit is. | ||
| It teaches you what everyone goes through every fucking day when they have to drive to work, when they're driving. | ||
| So know how to drive a car. | ||
| You should be able to be alone with kids. | ||
| We should put this in the fucking Constitution. | ||
| We should have built into how we're doing these things like prerequisites. | ||
| Prerequisites for the job, just like any other job. | ||
| It doesn't have to be intense prerequisites, but it's just really depressing when there's a prohibition on just pointing out the obvious shit. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| What are the alternatives? | ||
| We'd have to blow up the system. | ||
| And if you wanted to blow up the system, the people that are in power would have to lose power. | ||
| They're not gonna do that. | ||
| The FBI's like, you know what? | ||
| We're not the best at investigating shit. | ||
| You guys take over. | ||
| The CIA's like, you know, intelligence? | ||
| Have we done the best? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe there's a better option. | ||
| Why don't you guys take it? | ||
| That's fucking never gonna happen. | ||
| Ever, ever, ever, ever. | ||
| No. | ||
| The idea is just to continue to improve upon the systems that we already have. | ||
| They're not perfect, but they're better than nothing, and if we blow it all up, who the fuck is gonna take... | ||
| If we blow it all up, it's William Wallace up in this bitch. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| If you decide that this government no longer has power over the people, and then a bunch of people start assuming power and saying that they have power, you got a real fucking problem. | ||
| I don't think you gotta blow it up. | ||
| Don't blow it up. | ||
| I don't think it's even necessary. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like that's the only way it's going to change. | ||
| I think there's other ways it could change, but what it would require is... | ||
| When I say change, I mean like a complete restructuring. | ||
| I don't mean like let's make it so the politics don't get bought out by money. | ||
| I mean a way where people have to be informed about the things that they have opinions on that are super critical. | ||
| So like there's a real responsibility for everyone that's involved in all these decision-making aspects of voting to know what the fuck the consequences are for real. | ||
| The problem is when it comes to certain things like climate change, right? | ||
| You say climate change, you don't agree with the consensus of climate change? | ||
| If you don't jump on board immediately, people want to bark at you and very few of them have done any research. | ||
| And I'm not saying that climate change is not real. | ||
| I'm just saying when something's like that, Where it's like, this is what it is, and the science is... | ||
| Almost immediately, I'm like, hold on. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Where are you getting this information from? | ||
| And why do you think it's going to be this insane disaster? | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Are you absolutely sure? | ||
| Or is it possible that this has happened throughout history? | ||
| That people have always... | ||
| Talked about whether it's the ice ages come in or whether it's a there's always been some big fear-mongering thing about some climate disaster It's always happened You know, it's funny to me about that stuff is people take themselves out of the climate So it's like people talk about climate change as though the climate were something external right to the human whereas like there's an Interior climate like a subconscious climate A semi-conscious climate that is | ||
| the sum total of the interior lives of everyone on the planet. | ||
| And that gets left out because we can't quantify it. | ||
| That is a climate. | ||
| It's a climate of fear. | ||
| It's a climate of compassion. | ||
| Whatever it could be. | ||
| And there's storms. | ||
| There's storms. | ||
| Hurricanes that rip through that. | ||
| Civil war. | ||
| Civil war or just riots or war. | ||
| And so whenever you're seeing a war happen, you are looking at like a sort of subjective internal yet collective societal hurricane happening and destroying stuff, but it's doing it via like the human system, the human biome. | ||
| And so to me, I think that there isn't a quick fix to this, but... | ||
| Carl Jung. | ||
| Carl Jung. | ||
| You know who Carl Jung is? | ||
| He's like Freud. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Carl Jung, I'm sure a million people have already said this on your podcast. | ||
| His idea was that leaders are a projection of the collective unconscious. | ||
| So whatever the world leader is that you're looking at, you're actually looking at a physical representation of Of the internal subjective lives of the collective, right? | ||
| So when you see like a Biden, you're seeing the shadow of society. | ||
| When you're seeing a Trump, it's our shadow. | ||
| That's what you're looking at. | ||
| Like this is where connectivity, interdependence comes up. | ||
| It's like we're all connected. | ||
| Whoever the person is that ends up being the mouthpiece for all of us, we all have a tiny little thread of quantum energy injected into that thing and we're kind of looking at ourselves. | ||
| Part of ourselves we might not want to admit is there. | ||
| So the idea would be if You can find in your own little internal climate a way to cool it down. | ||
| Cool it down. | ||
| Stop heating up so much. | ||
| Get peace. | ||
| I remember a long time ago, man, you talked to me about this. | ||
| It stuck with me for the longest time because I was more turbulent back then. | ||
| But it's this idea of maintaining an even keel. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Find a way to be stable, consistently. | ||
| Every day in your own life and stability will appear naturally around you, right? | ||
| But if you are prone to reactivity, anger, freakouts, whatever it is, mania, whatever the thing is, then The people around you, they're always kind of worried like, what version of this dude am I getting today? | ||
| Am I going to get the happy version? | ||
| Am I going to get the freaked out version? | ||
| Am I going to get the angry version? | ||
| Am I going to get the cool version? | ||
| And if it's really extreme the way your behavior is warping and shifting, you could only expect chaos around you because people get nervous around instability, right? | ||
| So then if all of us We're reactive. | ||
| Like if suddenly a wave of reactivity swept through the whole planet and people started thinking it was normal to like pendulum between moods and to react to the moods and like, this is me or what the fuck or extremes, then you would expect the representation of all of us to be kind of fucked up. | ||
| And so the idea is if we could all kind of calm down a little bit, find some peace, find a way to like be actually calm, not repressed. | ||
| Like, you know, when you're freaking out on mushrooms and you try to pretend you're not or when you go to a party where they give weed. | ||
| I don't know if you ever been to an edible weed party. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And everyone's trying to pretend they're not freaking the fuck out. | ||
| The worst parties. | ||
| Dude, I was a judge at a cannabis cup. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I was like seven, eight different flavors in because they give you like a pillbox. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| You know, like a Monday through Sunday pillbox and each one of them has a different strain and you're supposed to test each strain. | ||
| By the time you get to Wednesday, You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about! | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I remember talking to this dude who was telling me about the cannabis community. | ||
| It was really interesting because I was beyond barbecued to the point where like words were coming out and I would hear the sounds That the words would make, and I would see the words coming out of the person's mouth. | ||
| But what I got was feelings. | ||
| I got like bars of feelings, like registered feelings above each word. | ||
| So as this guy was talking, I could tell what he was trying to do. | ||
| And he was trying to say that he loves and appreciates the cannabis community and he feels very close to them as a community and that they all have each other's backs. | ||
| I know if anything goes wrong with me, the cannabis community has my back. | ||
| And it was this thing that he was doing when he was communicating with me because I was so barbecued. | ||
| I got to realize that's what we're doing all the time. | ||
| We're doing all the time. | ||
| We're not always just trying to get our words out. | ||
| We're trying to like project a tone and figure out a way to get people to like us more. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or be more impressed by us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's like a giant percentage of what people do when they talk all day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's insecurity. | ||
| I mean, it's like the idea is you have... | ||
| I just read this shit, man. | ||
| It blew my fucking mind. | ||
| Here's the idea. | ||
| Everything is your mind, right? | ||
| So, not like spiritual woo-woo-wee. | ||
| Literally, everything you see is your mind because your sense organs are taking in phenomena and that's all getting translated via your brain into something we call reality. | ||
| So, literally, when you're seeing the color yellow, You're seeing your own mind. | ||
| That's the way your mind translates whatever the particular wavelength of yellow is into the thing that you call yellow. | ||
| It's literally your mind. | ||
| Everything you're seeing is your mind. | ||
| That's just the way it is. | ||
| But what happens is we start thinking it's not our mind. | ||
| There's a me and a you. | ||
| There's an outside me and an inside me. | ||
| Even though this is 100% not the case, there is probably something outside of you, but that's not what you're seeing. | ||
| You're seeing an incredible symphony of neurotransmitters that are all harmonizing in a way that produces your reality. | ||
| So when you see an enemy or a friend, when you see someone you love and someone you hate, all your mind. | ||
| The feeling of love, your mind. | ||
| The feeling of hate, your mind. | ||
| So... | ||
| When you get really fucking confused, not realizing this is on my mind, you start picking shit out. | ||
| This person, that person, this thing, that thing, and you would start attaching to it. | ||
| You start attaching to it to try to feel better, right? | ||
| So you're like, if I can make this person like me, I'm gonna feel better now. | ||
| I'm gonna feel good again or something's gonna make me feel better and This is what what you're talking about. | ||
| This is where you begin the never-ending cycle In Buddhism called samsara where it's just a never-ending attempt to rearrange your mind into some way that is going to give you a sense of like, okay Everything's fine now never-ending Never-ending! | ||
| Not only never-ending in this life, but literally zillions of incarnations. | ||
| You've been doing the same fucking thing over and over again in different ways. | ||
| And so the moment you realize this is my mind, this is all my mind, then all of a sudden that's when shit gets really interesting because now you might begin to change the way you start trying to get shit out of your mind, out of like, you know, Getting the thing you desire, pushing away. | ||
| You stop defending as much, too. | ||
| You're defending against your own fucking mind. | ||
| I mean, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, so many people are super defensive all the time. | ||
| They're trying to keep themselves from being hurt, which is really smart, but... | ||
| What they're defending themselves from is words, perceived opinions, real like high-level social animal shit. | ||
| They're not defending themselves against bear attacks, lions, arrows. | ||
| They're defending themselves against like psychic impacts. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's not even a danger. | ||
| Like when someone says some shitty thing to you, And you get triggered and then you react to that shitty thing. | ||
| Like, experiment with not reacting. | ||
| See what happens if you don't get revenge when the person does the thing to you they always do that you get revenge for. | ||
| You just don't get revenge. | ||
| You just don't do the thing that you thought you had to do or they're gonna do it again! | ||
| Watch what happens. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| Nothing happens. | ||
| You don't need the aggression, the defense. | ||
| So yeah, man, that's really interesting to me. | ||
| It's just your mind. | ||
| And you're at war with your own fucking mind. | ||
| All day long for the rest of your life. | ||
| You belong for the rest of your life! | ||
| Every day! | ||
| A raging war against yourself. | ||
| I mean, again, I'm not saying that you don't need from time to time to set boundaries and tell someone, don't fucking do that. | ||
| But at least for me personally, a lot of the time, the stuff that I was getting all bristly about, It really was just my own, it was my own bullshit. | ||
| There wasn't really anything to get bristly about or to defend against there. | ||
| And when you start doing that kind of like internal piecework, man, all of a sudden shit around you starts changing because it's your mind. | ||
| The idea is if this is all your mind, then if your mind calmed down, maybe all this stuff around you would calm down too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the idea. | ||
| It might actually be the same thing. | ||
| So if you start getting calm, if you start getting a little space between you and your thoughts, just maybe, just maybe that your enemies won't seem quite like enemies anymore. | ||
| The people that you have been waking up in the middle of the night thinking about pouring acid in their mouth. | ||
| Maybe you'll realize it's like... | ||
| The example that I read... | ||
| And then I'll shut the fuck up. | ||
| I'm sorry, everybody. | ||
| The example that I read was... | ||
| It's like someone shoots an arrow at you. | ||
| And they miss. | ||
| It lands at your feet. | ||
| This is when someone says something shitty to you or you get upset about something someone's doing. | ||
| You don't see that person for weeks, maybe. | ||
| But the example is the arrow lands at your feet and you pick it up. | ||
| And you start stabbing yourself with the arrow going, why did they shoot me with this arrow? | ||
| I can't believe they did that! | ||
| Every time you bring them to your mind. | ||
| Every time you wake up thinking about them. | ||
| Every time you have that fake conversation when you see them and you're going to one-up them. | ||
| That's just you going, ah! | ||
| Yeah, why did they shoot me with this arrow? | ||
| You know, you're just massacring yourself with your own mind. | ||
| You don't have to do that. | ||
| You actually can stop. | ||
| You don't have to constantly be stabbing yourself. | ||
| Yeah, that's great advice. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It really is great advice. | ||
| And that's the problem with the human mind, is it doesn't come with an owner's manual. | ||
| And they're all different, you know? | ||
| Again, some of them are lawnmowers, some of them are Ferraris. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| We don't come with a fucking owner's manual. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
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Nothing. | |
| Yeah, and you're sorting out some of the most complex things. | ||
| You're sorting out languages that are different, emotions that are different, cultures that are different, genders that are different. | ||
| All these fucking different things are being sorted out in real time while we melt the earth. | ||
| Why the fucking ocean's filled up with our garbage and the temperature just keeps rising and everyone's like, don't worry, it's fine. | ||
| Buy this Miami beachfront condo. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, that's so sad. | ||
| But the thing is, like, There's too many variables. | ||
| I don't think we have a mind that's designed for the variables that exist in modern society. | ||
| There's too many variables because you're getting news from the entire world. | ||
| So you're getting everything catastrophic that happens amongst seven point whatever billion people. | ||
| That's too much data. | ||
| And you're interacting with people that are nowhere near you, primarily. | ||
| Most of your human interactions are coming via cyber world, which is fucking bizarre to accept. | ||
| And then on top of that, you're probably having to sit through traffic, and you're probably stacked on top of a bunch of people in an apartment building, and you're probably annoyed that there's so many fucking people around you all. | ||
| It's an unnatural state for most people. | ||
| Most people. | ||
| And it's all rapidly changing while we remain the same. | ||
| So it's all putting these new demands on us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why we remain the same biological entity that existed when the railroad was a big freakout. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The trains are going to kill people. | ||
| They go too fast. | ||
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Too fast. | |
| That's what they thought, right? | ||
| Didn't you think like 35 miles an hour or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 35. After 35, you're dead fucking meat. | ||
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You're dead. | |
| People are just going to kill. | ||
| It's the same thing we did with 5G. They were doing that with trains. | ||
| That might be real though. | ||
| That might be getting us right now. | ||
| We don't know about it yet. | ||
| 5G? Zapping us? | ||
| You know what someone said to me about 5G? What? | ||
| They said that 5G is eventually going to evolve to the point where it could be implemented as like a radar system in someone's home. | ||
| I said that. | ||
| Is that you? | ||
| Yeah, I read that. | ||
| Tell me what you said. | ||
| Oh, damn it, Joe. | ||
| You know, man, again, let me just... | ||
| We're in clown suits. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We're in fucking clown suits. | ||
| I'm sorry, I forgot it was you that told me. | ||
| I was trying to remember. | ||
| Oh, no, I don't care. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Whatever I say after this, it's probably wrong. | ||
| But I did... | ||
| Because I go on really weird rabbit holes on the internet, and the problem is I don't remember where I get the data from, okay? | ||
| Jamie will find the data. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But what was the premise of it? | ||
| Premises that potentially 5g could be used as some kind of radar system that like it's so powerful that you could theoretically see people moving inside of buildings Using 5g somehow there might be a way to like look at the way the 5g is being like I don't know Doesn't that make sense though that like ultimately that's gonna happen and if we have phones and everybody carries a phone with them So you know where you're... | ||
| Unless you're one of those really rebellious ultra-marathon runners who puts his fucking phone in his desk drawer when he gets into work and just leaves it there all day. | ||
| Most people have their phone on them. | ||
| So there's proximity tracking, right? | ||
| You know where you are at all points in time. | ||
| And if you have some sort of a thing that's just like... | ||
| You know, the misinformation and malinformation board is requiring that we install these on all chips. | ||
| And all that is doing is utilizing 5G to get a sense of everything that's in the space. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would be... | ||
| I don't know if it's possible with today's technology, but that doesn't seem outrageous at all. | ||
| That they would... | ||
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It's just... | |
| The fact that you can send a fucking video instantaneously to your friend in Italy, like that... | ||
| Like that! | ||
| You send a video, they get it on their iMessage, oh shit, that looks cool. | ||
| That is wild. | ||
| The idea that it could track your movements and know the 3D space around it, that doesn't even seem outrageous. | ||
| It's not that outrageous. | ||
| I mean, yeah, I don't think people really like to deal with how surveilled we already are, because the surveillance is broken up among us. | ||
| Fast computers, 5G networks, and radar that passes through walls are bringing x-ray vision closer to reality. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So there it is. | ||
| So that was ideas, like, because... | ||
| Thank God it's real. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| We would have cut it out. | ||
| We don't want to get in trouble with the new board. | ||
| Mal-information, dude. | ||
| That would be misinformation. | ||
| That's even worse than mal-information. | ||
| Dude, imagine if like the shit got in your house. | ||
| That's where it gets really creepy. | ||
| Like somehow the fact you're like, all right, well, it's just the Ministry of Truth on Twitter. | ||
| Whatever, dude. | ||
| Twitter's dumb. | ||
| I don't care anyway. | ||
| It's just the Ministry of Truth on Facebook or Instagram. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Well, that's what TikTok is. | ||
| TikTok, whatever. | ||
| I don't fucking care. | ||
| You really don't care. | ||
| It's like, but imagine if it was just on screens in your house, right? | ||
| Like if hanging in your house, there was, I don't know, just a light that if someone starts speaking misinformation, it starts glowing red or something. | ||
| And you're like, oh shit, that thing you just said, it's like the light's blinking, so it's bullshit. | ||
| It would be... | ||
| It would be fucking horrible. | ||
| It'd be scary, but somehow because it's like we still externalize the Social media as like an outside space even though it's in our house It's in our pockets right next to us all the time. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like alright, you know the whatever that is. | ||
| It's just on the outside It's not on the inside yet, but it's really it's it's it's kind of is you turn on the TV I don't care what you're fucking watching man. | ||
| I mean, it's like Okay It's fucked up that Everybody knows that most of our politicians in some way, shape, or form are making money from various- How much do you think they make? | ||
| Like, how much do you think Obama's worth? | ||
| Let's take a guess. | ||
| In calculus. | ||
| Let's take a guess. | ||
| A billion? | ||
| A billion? | ||
| How much do you think he's worth, Jamie? | ||
| Cool prices, right? | ||
| 500 million sounds like a good number. | ||
| I'll go lower. | ||
| I'll go three. | ||
| Three. | ||
| Three's good. | ||
| Three's reasonable. | ||
| He's a reasonable man. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Well, those numbers are wrong. | ||
| How much is someone's worth? | ||
| I don't know how to find it correctly. | ||
| No, I think that'd probably be pretty public. | ||
| It's like an Elon Musk type deal. | ||
| When I type in everything saying 70. 70 million? | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Well, again, we're talking about, like, the way this gets quantified. | ||
| The quantification mechanism is like... | ||
| But what's it worth? | ||
| What's the value of it? | ||
| Billions. | ||
| Yeah, you can now, like, it's like, they have shit we will never even hear about. | ||
| Elon bought Twitter for 44 billion. | ||
| What do you think it's worth to be the president? | ||
| You know, that should put it into perspective. | ||
| Twitter's worth 44 billion. | ||
| What's it worth to be the president of the United States? | ||
| It's gotta be worth 20. I'm also seeing Michelle's worth at least 70 also. | ||
| It's a lot of money. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Look, he was a great president. | ||
| Out of all the presidents that would speak, I would like to just see him speak. | ||
| He was really good at giving speeches. | ||
| He's a fantastic statesman. | ||
| God, those were the good old days. | ||
| I don't know who the fuck knows what it's like to be the president. | ||
| But as far as a representative of the United States, I think he was the best ever. | ||
| The best ever. | ||
| We've got that wonderful interview he did. | ||
| I don't remember what show he was on, where they asked him about UFOs. | ||
| And he like really did a kind of micro pause or something. | ||
| Like in the UFO boards, it always pops up every once in a while. | ||
| It's like this weird moment where he's like, I can't talk about that. | ||
| But it's like on his face, you kind of see this like thing that if you're into UFOs, you're like, oh, fuck. | ||
| He's like bummed that he can't talk about it, but he knows something. | ||
| I'm sure they know something. | ||
| I don't know how much the president gets to know. | ||
| Because the problem is a guy like Trump. | ||
| Like, what would keep him from blabbing? | ||
| If they told him, I mean, he was on a show once and they asked him about UFOs too, and he said something about he knows some things, but he can't talk about them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of things. | ||
| But just that, saying that, that means they're real. | ||
| If you say you know some things and you can't talk about them, you're essentially saying they're real. | ||
| Because if it's like it's all nonsense, wouldn't you tell the people it's all nonsense? | ||
| Tell us it's nonsense, sir. | ||
| Make me sleep well at night. | ||
| You're the president. | ||
| But if you say there's some things I know and I can't talk about them, I think that's basically what he said. | ||
| But aren't we post thinking UFOs are fake now? | ||
| Like now, if you believe UFOs are bullshit, you're in a minority now. | ||
| Because you're talking about the US government has been doing like hearings where they are saying, yeah, some of this stuff we don't know, but we've picked it up. | ||
| So the phenomena is real. | ||
| It's no longer just swamp gas. | ||
| like the question is how many of them are drones how many of them are super sophisticated drones from other countries how many of them are drones that we have that are top secret just Just like the Blackbird and Stealth Bomber and all these different things they've worked on. | ||
| How many of those are top secret drones? | ||
| And then is there anything that's not? | ||
| Like that Tic Tac one that Commander David Fravor found off the coast of San Diego in 2004. | ||
| That's the craziest one. | ||
| Because there's multiple jets watched this thing. | ||
| They got it on radar. | ||
| They got visual. | ||
| They got a video of it taking off at an insane rate of speed. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck that thing was. | ||
| No visible heat signature. | ||
| Moving at speeds that are impossible to describe how fast it is. | ||
| Going from 50,000 feet to 50 in a second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's how... | ||
| They said it just appeared there. | ||
| You know, because I think a radar blip... | ||
| Is it a second? | ||
| How long is the... | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Or is it continuous now? | ||
| How do they work? | ||
| Do they work the same way they used to work in those old movies? | ||
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| Remember like close encounters? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| You see the things in the radar? | ||
| I mean it's got to be more sophisticated than that now, right? | ||
| Yeah, now it's just like it's looking at ripples or something like it's not there's no space in between it's just instantaneously you could see whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| So whatever the fuck this thing was they tracked this and this thing moved in a way that is indescribable. | ||
| Look they can't they can't imagine some way using the methods that we know about propulsion systems and applying it to this craft and getting it to move the way it did. | ||
| We, we've said this, I've said this, I feel like we've said everything once on your podcast by now, but like, coral reef, some blind creature starts developing an optic nerve. | ||
| And all of a sudden, one day after billions of years or millions of years evolution, the eye opens. | ||
| You see the coral reef instead of just having to like sense movement in the fucking coral reef. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's gonna be a crazy moment for the first thing to see that when all it's been feeling are these like weird shifts and movements. | ||
| So probably whatever this technology is and if you like go like Terence McKenna and look at technology as some kind of appendage of the planet, some new sensory apparatus that's appearing out of the collective, then probably we're just getting the ability to see what's really out there. | ||
| What's really out there is probably what people have been saying for thousands of years, people who spent lifetimes meditating in the forest and went through all this weird shit, and they started seeing it too. | ||
| What's out there is innumerable forms of life and intelligence that aren't locked into the classic idea of what life looks like, carbon-based life, or just starting to see the cause. | ||
| That's what they used to call them, the gods, angels, whatever. | ||
| There's devas or jinn. | ||
| And that's what our technology is. | ||
| It's starting to pick up that. | ||
| Yeah, enabling us to see something that's always been here. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Just living with us, like, we're gonna have to deal with that. | ||
| Doesn't that make sense? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That we've been colonized a long time ago, and they just go in and out of the ocean, do as they please, move in ways that we can't track, we don't understand, and it wasn't until really, really recently that they even be able to use radar to detect them. | ||
| Like, when was the invention of radar? | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Was that 150 years? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| When did they figure out radar? | ||
| Imagine before radar. | ||
| Fucking what? | ||
| Would you see? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have a video? | ||
| There's no video yet. | ||
| No video. | ||
| Video didn't even start happening until the 1800s, right? | ||
| So at what point in time were they supposed to have an accurate... | ||
| It would be so easy to spy on us. | ||
| You had to carve it into a pyramid if you thought... | ||
| That's Mikey, he's full of shit. | ||
| He's always talking about being visited by gods. | ||
| You're carving a UFO into the pyramid again? | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| Stop riding on the pyramid! | ||
| You know, when you discuss ancient civilizations and you look at the Great Pyramids of Egypt and all the structures of Egypt, they're so magnificent. | ||
| That you have to wonder, like, what was that society like? | ||
| What was that culture like when those things were up and running? | ||
| What was that like, man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I am, I mean, I'm absolutely not an archaeologist or a historian. | ||
| But when I look at those structures and someone says that those things are 5,000 years old, you think about how long ago that was. | ||
| How fucking smart were those people? | ||
| Very smart. | ||
| How did they know all that? | ||
| How did they do it? | ||
| What was it like living amongst them? | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| The Great Pyramid of Gies is like 2,300,000 stones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're monstrous. | ||
| They're so—the way it's engineered is so beyond imagination that 5,000 years ago people could—but obviously they did. | ||
| So what were they like, man? | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| I think it's the Graham Hancock-Randall Carlson idea. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I think that human beings had reached a very high level of sophistication and we got fucking flatlined again by comet impacts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the Younger Dryas impact theory and it makes a fuckload of sense when you see things like the pyramids. | ||
| When you see things like all these old structures, especially ones they can't really date that well. | ||
| Like, that's the dirty secret about that carbon dating stuff. | ||
| You gotta date carbon. | ||
| You're not gonna date rocks, right? | ||
| So you have to find, like, organic material in between the rocks, stuff that's around the rocks, but you don't really know when everybody cut it. | ||
| You just make a really good assessment based on the carbon-based data But the thing is, you don't know when they cut that. | ||
| When did they move that? | ||
| How many thousands of years did it take to set up this civilization? | ||
| Where the fuck did it come from? | ||
| How did they get these stones that were many tons from a quarry that was 500 miles away? | ||
| How did they do that? | ||
| I think that's the story of some of the stones in the King's Chamber. | ||
| See if this is correct. | ||
| I think they figured out that some of the stones in the King's Chamber were from 500 miles away. | ||
| The King's Chamber is the one that looks like a factory or something? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| What is the chamber? | ||
| The King's Chamber, I don't know why they call it the King's Chamber. | ||
| I think it might have to do with just the size of the stones and the magnificence of it. | ||
| Yeah, whatever the fuck that was. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Why do they call it the King's Chamber? | ||
| So anyway, see if you find the King's Chamber, the stones for the King's Chamber were cut from a quarry 500 miles away. | ||
| Google that. | ||
| See if that's correct. | ||
| Because I think that was one of the big mysteries. | ||
| Like, how the fuck are they moving this stuff? | ||
| It's not even that it was like right next to it and they slowly rolled into the place. | ||
| They took it from 500 miles away. | ||
| Archaeologists uncovered the Scyria. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| The pyramid stones were known to have been transported from over 500 miles away, but archaeologists did not agree on how the ancient Egyptians, I guess it probably says pulled that off, That's just the headline. | ||
| How the fuck could they do it? | ||
| There's a new article on construction. | ||
| That's from 2017. That's super new. | ||
| But all of it is just guessing. | ||
| The bottom line is, there's so many stones. | ||
| I think the numbers, I had a bid on it. | ||
| If you cut in place 10 stones a day, it's 664 years for one pyramid. | ||
| So they think they pulled them on ropes and pulleys and shit, but dude, they're cut so perfectly, you can't get a razor blade in between them. | ||
| I mean, that's- It's wild! | ||
| It's what's funny is like we, to try to understand stuff, we obviously, we try to use a precedent, like our own technology. | ||
| So we use the height of our technology and then try to think about how they did it. | ||
| But if we're talking about, I mean- It's possible that we only exist, well, we exist in more than one reality. | ||
| We're in time-space right now, but there's aspects of us that are outside of time-space. | ||
| There's aspects of us that we Call our soul or whatever. | ||
| It's some hyper-dimensional formation that like flowers with each incarnation like when a flower blooms, that's your life and then it dies and another flower blooms. | ||
| That's your next life and another flower blooms. | ||
| So, if that's what's going on and some civilization figured that out so that instead of being unconscious about the greater whatever the fuck it is, the hyper-dimensional tree that we're all like fruiting on, then God knows what you could do in that point. the hyper-dimensional tree that we're all like fruiting on, then You could just make the tree grow a pyramid maybe, you know, like in the same way it grew a you. | ||
| You know, you could just make it like, like bring stones from... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| You know, we think we're so advanced. | ||
| Like, I'm sure that however cognizant a monkey is, like, when it's, like, using a tool or showing its friends how to use a tool or its kids how to, like, break open a nut or how to use the stick to get the ants out, I'm sure it's, like... | ||
| We are very advanced. | ||
| Like this is a very advanced thing it's doing. | ||
| It probably thinks it's like advanced if it could think that. | ||
| Similarly, we think we're so fucking advanced with our internet and all that stuff. | ||
| It just might be that like we're the same way. | ||
| We're just putting a stick in an ant's nest. | ||
| What Jamie just pulled up there is what the pyramid originally looked like. | ||
| That gold capstone. | ||
| It had a gold capstone. | ||
| It was covered, I think it was in limestone. | ||
| Is that what it was covered with? | ||
| Yeah, this thing I have pulled up says in 1303 AD there's an earthquake that loosened up some of it and I guess that's when they took it all. | ||
| And then people start stealing it and they use it to build stuff. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Which is so dumb. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| They stole pieces of rock from one of the greatest constructions human beings have ever known to build whatever shitty thing they were gonna make. | ||
| Probably a toilet. | ||
| There's probably someone shitting in the fucking stones of the pyramid built by the great masters. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Go up to the pyramid. | ||
| Find a stone that you like in your bidet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to build a sauna out of the outside of the pyramid. | ||
| No one's using the pyramid anymore. | ||
| Just grab some rocks from there. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| I want my whole house built with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, the whole thing was stolen. | ||
| They stole all of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what's so nuts. | ||
| I mean, to me, that's what's really... | ||
| I love that stuff because it's like... | ||
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What did that look like? | |
| It's such a mystery and it's so interesting to get born into a civilization and to have this sense of knowing shit. | ||
| That's a big part of being alive right now. | ||
| We all think we're so fucking... | ||
| We think we know everything. | ||
| Because you can Google it and you just think, even if you don't know it, you think the answer is out there somewhere. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then you live in this crazy world where you think everything's been figured out. | ||
| It's all been... | ||
| We're at the cutting edge. | ||
| We're at the cutting edge of... | ||
| Like, even though... | ||
| Throughout history, doctors have, in a lot of ways, been consistently wrong. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like the whole bleeding and leeching and then before that, whatever the weird medieval-like ways people would treat disease, you know, like crazy, like take a rag, horse piss and wrap it around their head and then like put them above a fire for three days. | ||
| It'll cure their pox and everyone believes it. | ||
| They're like, oh yeah, that'll work. | ||
| But now we're all like, no, no, no. | ||
| Now we've figured out medical technology for sure. | ||
| Like, we 100% know everything about the way the human body works, which is why when you go into a doctor, you know, depending on who the doctor is, you mention some other possible therapy, they'll laugh you out of the room. | ||
| They're like, get the fuck out of here, that's quackery! | ||
| And sometimes they're right, but sometimes they're probably wrong. | ||
| I mean, my point is, it's just funny, because you have to live in a world where you are surrounded by people who think In one way of really leaning into the idea that we've all kind of worked out the thing. | ||
| We figured out humanity. | ||
| We figured out the planet. | ||
| We know what the climate is. | ||
| We know what medical science is and how the body works. | ||
| We understand germs, viruses, diseases, and history. | ||
| We fucking know how the pyramids were built. | ||
| Please stop saying the aliens did it. | ||
| It was people taking it from quarries. | ||
| We figured it out. | ||
| You don't need to look into that anymore because we figured it out when probably we really haven't figured out much of anything. | ||
| Probably what's really going on is so astounding that if you actually saw what it was, you might die. | ||
| You might just blip out of reality or cease to exist. | ||
| It's so wild, whatever the actual thing is. | ||
| It's an alternative version of history and the alternative version is that there's actual evidence that the Earth was assaulted by comet impacts around 12,000 years ago. | ||
| And there's also actual evidence of construction that's almost impossible to do today, certainly in a lifetime. | ||
| Like to make the Great Pyramid of Giza, if you had one lifetime, do you really think they could move that many stones cut in place along with all the fucking extraction of the stones from the quarries and all the engineering involved and making sure that... | ||
| How much time was it gonna take to make something with 2,600,000 stones from a quarry 500 miles away? | ||
| I have to imagine it's gonna take a long fucking time. | ||
| So we know for sure that someone a long fucking time ago had that kind of engineering and genius. | ||
| And then we also know that human beings, even in America, Just a couple hundred years ago were living like Stone Age folks. | ||
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Right. | |
| At the exact same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Comanche were using... | ||
| They were using bows and arrows and riding horses. | ||
| You mean when the pyramids were... | ||
| Thousands of years later. | ||
| Thousands of years later. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Thousands of years later, humans are hunting buffalo on horseback with sticks Different humans, different parts of the world. | ||
| Whoa, that's nuts. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I think, if you think about how quickly people went from that, like the riding horses and shooting things off a horseback, which was like... | ||
| You know, obviously the Mongols, that's how they did war. | ||
| So that's the 1200s, right? | ||
| So that's not that long. | ||
| That's 800 years ago. | ||
| If you think about the pyramids being 5,000 years ago, from 800 years ago to now, from 800 years ago to horseback, drinking horse milk with blood mixed in, because that's how you're going to stay alive when you're on this long campaign. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| To get in a train and it goes 500 miles an hour to get on a plane you fly to another country. | ||
| That's only 800 years. | ||
| Imagine if they had achieved that the way like the Mongols were, but they did it like at 4,000 BC. Right. | ||
| 6,000 BC. I gotcha. | ||
| And we have thousands of years of people figuring things out in a different way than we have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're using stone. | ||
| Did they have electricity? | ||
| What kind of knowledge did they have about life? | ||
| Did they have universities? | ||
| How did they figure out all the things they know? | ||
| How did they figure out all this design and construction stuff? | ||
| How many thousands of years? | ||
| Imagine if we had an uninterrupted history with no catastrophes and no wars. | ||
| An accurate historical representation by the people that lived in time from every fucking year 9,000 years ago. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, 17,000 years ago. | ||
| When did it start? | ||
| That would be so cool. | ||
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You could look at tweets from 17,000 years ago. | |
| God, that would be funny as fuck! | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It'd make people calm down a little bit, wouldn't it? | ||
| Like, if you could go back and look at tweets from 700 BC and, like, realize how insignificant you are in that vast scope of time, that would be really good for us, man. | ||
| I think that's part of the problem, is that those big gaps in what we know about civilization have created this, like, Really terrible, I don't know what you would call it, like some kind of like societal narcissism or some kind of like crazy idea that like, no, no, no, your life, like this life that you're in right now, this 70 year span in the midst of this ocean of time, no, no, no, no. | ||
| For sure it's the most important life. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Like, out of the stacks of bones. | ||
| Like, bones. | ||
| Definitely, you could make like a bridge of bones that would probably, what, go all the way to Mars? | ||
| Like, if you took all the people who've lived on the world and had their bones, I bet you could do a bridge of bones. | ||
| To Mars. | ||
| An asteroid belt of bones. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But your life is definitely super, the most important life. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| Like, really. | ||
| Like, you really need to be all up in everybody's shit. | ||
| Because it's so, like, right now, this is it. | ||
| The most important. | ||
| No, this is it. | ||
| For real. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| It produces this Crazy, hyperactive way of living. | ||
| You know people don't say they're happy anymore? | ||
| You know what they say instead of happy? | ||
| I'm excited! | ||
| You don't even say happy anymore. | ||
| It's like excited is the means you're happy. | ||
| I'm excited! | ||
| But like, being excited? | ||
| It doesn't feel that good. | ||
| Like, if you really look at it, it's like kind of getting vaulted by electricity, you know? | ||
| I like being excited. | ||
| It's okay, but if you really look at the feeling... | ||
| I like being happy, too. | ||
| I prefer happy and peaceful, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Excited! | ||
| I'm excited to watch Terrifier 2 tonight, you know what I mean? | ||
| I've got like a little hook in me. | ||
| Right, but when you went to see Roger Waters, weren't you excited? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying... | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| I'm not saying it's bad. | ||
| I like being excited. | ||
| I mean, fuck. | ||
| I love being excited. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| But it shouldn't be like... | ||
| For me, I don't want that to be the number one thing I'm going for. | ||
| You know that thing that happens after like... | ||
| I don't know, day six of a successful vacation. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, where you're like, ah! | ||
| And obviously, like, ah! | ||
| That's not excited. | ||
| Like, I wouldn't call that excited. | ||
| I like that, too. | ||
| That's a nice thing. | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| The best. | ||
| I used to hate vacations because I used to freak out and say, I gotta work. | ||
| I should be working. | ||
| I should be working. | ||
| I'm not working. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| I'm getting behind. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| You need a break off of stuff. | ||
| Even if it's like a little break, like a yoga class, something, you need a break where you're not thinking about the day. | ||
| Something takes you out of it, where you're not in the day-to-day grind all the time. | ||
| And you can find things. | ||
| You know, for some people, it's a fucking game they play. | ||
| Maybe they play tennis with their friend. | ||
| They get together every Tuesday. | ||
| That fucking Tuesday, look forward to it so much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe they're playing darts or pool or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| You need a break. | ||
| That's why those activities exist. | ||
| They don't exist because people are like fucking fruitless and lazy and they don't want to be productive. | ||
| No, they exist because like people have always found merit in things that allow you to put yourself in a different state of mind. | ||
| And whether it's hypnosis or exercise or a fucking game of chess, whatever it is, we value those things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Those are important. | ||
| Aren't they the most important? | ||
| Well, I don't know the most, but they're super fucking important. | ||
| And I think we think of them frivolously. | ||
| The problem was like things like video games because video games can be insidiously addictive because in many ways they're more stimulating than real life. | ||
| Like you and I have both had like major problems with video games. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Major problems. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So addicted to World of Warcraft. | ||
| Unbelievably. | ||
| Hearthstone got me too. | ||
| I have managed though to only play video games for like seven hours a day now. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| You got control of it? | ||
| I've gotten it down to like maybe like an hour and a half maybe. | ||
| But also lately I've just sort of got like it doesn't interest me as much. | ||
| This is a weird thing I'm noticing is like Do you ever like, when you break an addiction to video games or whatever, you don't miss the video game or whatever you're addicted to, but you miss the addiction itself? | ||
| You know what I'm talking to where you're like, I kind of liked being addicted. | ||
| Being fanatical. | ||
| Yeah, I like being stuck. | ||
| It was like kind of cool to be in. | ||
| Because you know what you have to do. | ||
| Gotta play. | ||
| Gotta mandate. | ||
| Gotta play. | ||
| You know what you have to do. | ||
| You're gonna play that day. | ||
| It gives you security. | ||
| When I get home, I'm gonna play. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when that's gone, now what are you gonna do? | ||
| And guys who have shit jobs, guys who have jobs they hate but have really good internet connection, Oh, I can't wait to get home. | ||
| Can't wait to get home. | ||
| Fire up some fucking World of Warcraft. | ||
| Fire up some... | ||
| What do they play? | ||
| What's the big one they play online? | ||
| There's all these combat ones, right? | ||
| Yeah, isn't it like... | ||
| Call of Duty. | ||
| Is that still big, Jamie? | ||
| New one just came out. | ||
| That kind of shit is so addictive to people because it's so thrilling and you get no consequences when you get killed other than you feel like shit. | ||
| Like, fuck, you got me. | ||
| They're so realistic, too. | ||
| Oh my god, some of them are so good. | ||
| They look so good. | ||
| I've been tricked by racing ones. | ||
| When I see a racing video, obviously they're just like on my phone, but I think, I look at it and I go, oh my god, that looks real. | ||
| If I saw it on the screen, it'd probably look fake. | ||
| But some of them look fucking real. | ||
| Oh my god, they're incredible, dude. | ||
| Pull up one of the racing video games so you can see it on a big screen. | ||
| See how good it looks. | ||
| Because it looks like real fucking cars. | ||
| If you're in that thing, In that state of mind, like constantly. | ||
| That's so thrilling. | ||
| Thrilling. | ||
| So thrilling. | ||
| Yeah, I mean people build like simulators. | ||
| My friend Peter has one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like a serious driver though. | ||
| He drive drives. | ||
| So he's training when he plays the game. | ||
| Yes, he's actually training. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Oh my god, look at these guys on motorcycles! | ||
| These guys are riding motorcycles in the fucking rain and they're racing. | ||
| This is so insane. | ||
| Oh my god, this is so fucking insane. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Oh, Jesus! | ||
| And they're wiped out. | ||
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Oh my god, that guy made it! | |
| What game is this? | ||
| MotoGP. | ||
| This seems so real, dude. | ||
| The water on the windshield. | ||
| I'm getting this game as soon as I get home. | ||
| This seems so real! | ||
| Obviously, I don't know shit about racing motorcycles, but the way it looks, it looks like this is actually happening. | ||
| It's real, man. | ||
| I race a lot. | ||
| It's definitely exactly what it's like. | ||
| Do they race in the rain like this? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They must. | ||
| That's crazy, dude. | ||
| I mean, isn't it crazy enough to already be racing a motorcycle, but the dude in the fucking rain? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Do you know how fucking thrilling that must be, though? | ||
| They bump into each other and shit? | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| That game's too realistic. | ||
| That game's too realistic, dude. | ||
| What game is this? | ||
| So this is on the drive. | ||
| Okay, well that's slightly less realistic for some reason. | ||
| Yeah, I think the reflections help there. | ||
| Yeah, I think also the water dropping onto the screen, that fucking really brings you into it. | ||
| Like, oh my god, this is really happening. | ||
| We're getting wet. | ||
| Man, it's crazy where it's going, Joe. | ||
| It's just nuts. | ||
| Do they really race in the rain like that? | ||
| I'm gonna check. | ||
| Race, motorcycle, rain. | ||
| That seems so insane that they would do that. | ||
| Oh my god, they do! | ||
| They do! | ||
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Oh my god, this is insane. | |
| It's so wet. | ||
| That's gnarly. | ||
| Put your foot down! | ||
| Because he's trying to balance. | ||
| Dude, this is so crazy. | ||
| Oh my god, they're bumping into each other and shit. | ||
| You're allowed to bump? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Maybe not allowed, but if it happens, it happens. | ||
| Yeah, you kind of just say, whoops, sorry. | ||
| Sorry, bro. | ||
| It's tough when you get warnings and stuff. | ||
| This is less realistic. | ||
| Oh my god, he wiped. | ||
| He like fist pumped while he's wiping. | ||
| Because he's saying he's okay. | ||
| Oh my god, he's going to get back on it. | ||
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So now in fourth place, Garnier He's okay. | |
| Jesus, how good are these motorcycles? | ||
| You can fucking wipe out in them? | ||
| Oh shit, look at that. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And you just slide. | ||
| That's probably fun. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Well, that dude fell like a champion. | ||
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I would have fallen head, foot, head, foot, head, foot. | |
| Broken ankle, broken arms, fucked up neck. | ||
| This is where I kick her out of the idea That upon death, it may just be that, man. | ||
| It might just be that. | ||
| Like, the whole fucking thing. | ||
| People watch us like we watch, like, video games. | ||
| They're like, look! | ||
| Look at the way he died! | ||
| Can you fucking believe it? | ||
| Did you see how he went? | ||
| He fell out of a building, splattered all over the ground. | ||
| That was nuts! | ||
| Look! | ||
| He's getting back up! | ||
| Going back in the game! | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I think that could really be what's going on, man. | ||
| This shit just keeps getting in this, whatever this little bubble we're in, it always gets more advanced, it always gets more hypnotic, it always gets more spectacular. | ||
| We die, we take a break, then we pop back in. | ||
| What game is that? | ||
| They're showing off the new video card. | ||
| I was trying to show you something like this. | ||
| Oh my god, this is incredible. | ||
| Yeah, the lighting is what makes it look real. | ||
| These are great games. | ||
| This might not even be a game. | ||
| This is really probably just a demo. | ||
| So these are like little tiny toy cars that you're racing? | ||
| It's showing off this 4000 series video card which is about to come out very soon. | ||
| Who's making that? | ||
| NVIDIA does. | ||
| They always make the best ones, right? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| The 4090 is what it's called, but then the RTX is the ray tracing, which makes stuff look insane. | ||
| Dude, have you seen... | ||
| Joe, have you seen... | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| Look at the video. | ||
| Have you seen the virtual... | ||
| Okay, so I know you've seen, because I've probably sent you too many clips of weird AI shit, like AI animation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Have you seen the AI animation that is in VR? So it's the same shit I'm sending you, except the VR itself is being generated. | ||
| Can I show you one of these? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Jamie, would you mind going on, I think it's DeForum on Twitter, and then scroll down, and somewhere he's posted, really, like, at the very top of his tweets, it says, like, AI virtual reality. | ||
| Spout the name of his account? | ||
| DeForum, D-E, DeForum. | ||
| Like forum, but with D-E in front of it. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| D-E-F-O-R-U-M, I think. | ||
| DeForum. | ||
| I've got a stable diffusion VR real-time immersive latent space thing. | ||
| Yeah, check this shit out. | ||
| So it's in VR, the AI is generating the space in VR. | ||
| So it's really fucking trippy looking. | ||
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I'm not... | |
| Oh yeah, that's it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| It's just like building it inside the virtual reality. | ||
| So it's building these structures in VR and they're changing and morphing as you're walking around this VR room. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Like you're tripping balls. | ||
| Probably with prompts. | ||
| It's like, you know, just shifting and changing. | ||
| The AI is just generating new environments instantaneously, growing them. | ||
| That's that moment where it's probably, it's like in the beginning process of generating a new environment. | ||
| And then it's like, and that's going to get faster and faster. | ||
| So it's like happens instantaneously. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Oh my god, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know what kind of crazy horror games they're gonna be able to make with these things? | ||
| Well, dude, it's... | ||
| I can't even imagine. | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| Do you know how immersive that's gonna be? | ||
| And how fucking addictive that's gonna be? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, and also that you're going to be wearing augmented reality goggles or glasses that are doing the same thing to your environment in real time. | ||
| So, like, you're, you know, this stable diffusion ship, man, you can give it a, like, an MP4, just a video clip, and it'll take every frame and then... | ||
| Generate like a new image based on the image. | ||
| It's not deep faking. | ||
| You could like, you know, I took a video of Johnny Pemberton and like, it's like Johnny Pemberton rapping in studio, shirtless, gold chains. | ||
| And you know, he's wearing a shirt, but it took that video and over each clip, no shirt, gold chains, made a music studio around him that kind of undulates in and out. | ||
| So it's like, This, to me, man, this is gonna change everything. | ||
| It's like, once it's wearable, and you can just decide, you know, today, can you put me in a primordial forest? | ||
| So, like, wherever I go, everything's just, like, trees and dinosaurs and stuff. | ||
| And that's the reality that you see. | ||
| That's what you're gonna see. | ||
| It's gonna take, in real time, all the shit around you, and then put over it whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| You're going to be able to wear it on your face. | ||
| And that's when... | ||
| That's the apocalypse. | ||
| I mean, that's like where we're all living in different realities. | ||
| You'll be hanging out anywhere in a mall and everyone in the mall is going to be experiencing a different version of the fucking mall. | ||
| Some people are going to be in a castle. | ||
| Some people are going to be walking through a pyramid or, you know, in some kind of like space station. | ||
| That's where we're headed. | ||
| I mean, that's proof of it, man. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| Right now, that seems slow in the sense you have to watch it fill itself in. | ||
| That would probably be a selling point of some malls, that our escalators are designed to enhance your AR experience. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So we have fully compatible AR escalator, so your escalator becomes a moat. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You have to walk across a drawbridge. | ||
| Think of cults in the age of AR, where the cult leader gives you special, these are like our special prototypes. | ||
| You wear these and you will see the world as father sees it. | ||
| So you put them on, you know what I mean? | ||
| You put them on and you're seeing like a world that is created by the cult leader. | ||
| Or imagine, dude, fucking like a tyrannical government that like forces the citizens to wear the goggles that project. | ||
| It's they live. | ||
| It's they live in reverse, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, it's they live. | ||
| Except they force you to wear the goggles. | ||
| So if you're not wearing, or like... | ||
| You wear goggles that are the color of whatever, like, political party you align with. | ||
| So, like, you know what I mean? | ||
| You see somebody wearing blue goggles, and you're like, oh, fuck! | ||
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That poor idiot. | |
| Yeah, right, look, you know that stupid world they're seeing? | ||
| Do you know how much plastic actually gets recycled? | ||
| Yeah, their goggles show carbon emissions. | ||
| They show the names of homeless people, so they make them human. | ||
| Whereas some other goggles, they just turn homeless people into beautiful floral displays or something. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, it's gonna be like that. | ||
| It's gonna be like that. | ||
| You know, you want to be surrounded? | ||
| You want everyone that you're around to be like the most beautiful naked woman? | ||
| Then that's what it's gonna be. | ||
| It's like you want that, that's what you're gonna get. | ||
| The people running these simulations and these AR, are they gonna be entranced with it too? | ||
| The people that are creating these, or are we just gonna give it up to AI? Like, are we going to give up to power to AI? Or are people going to be curating these experiences for people? | ||
| Curate? | ||
| I mean, it's going to— Will it come to a point in time where they can't do that anymore? | ||
| I think it'll be like, you know, like, when I've been doing this text-to-art shit, you actually—it takes time to figure out the right prompts to get it to make the thing you want it to make. | ||
| Like Mid-Journey, which is this incredible text-to-art AI. Part of the fun is you sit there trying to think of what is it that we want this thing to make. | ||
| And it's fun. | ||
| You can kind of do it. | ||
| One night I was like... | ||
| With, like, Justin Roiland, a bunch of these other artists, we were all trying to do different versions of, like, Bill Cosby eating beautiful sausages and, like, just trying to type in different versions of it on mid-journey to, like, make it, like, to dial in whatever the fuck. | ||
| Bill Cosby on a rollercoaster made of human baby meat. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You know, shit like that just to see what you can make, but you really do have to figure out the prompts. | ||
| So I think initially it's definitely going to be curated by people who know how to generate the prompts and make it make whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| But gradually it's going to get better and better at understanding what it is you're wanting. | ||
| And then at that point it'll probably be Like, you know, you'll be more in control of what you're seeing on your screen at first, and then in VR, and then in AR, I would say. | ||
| And then, who knows? | ||
| Who knows, man? | ||
| I mean, I'm sure there's, like, gonna be popular, like, in the way there's popular Instagram videos, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's gonna be popular worlds. | ||
| Where you upload your world experience to some new version of Instagram or TikTok or whatever. | ||
| It's like, oh yeah, I'm going to put on that dude's fucking world experience. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Probably it'll be more like that. | ||
| Curated VR or AR world experiences. | ||
| There'll be people who are really good at making them. | ||
| And then there's going to be people who become like the Steven Spielberg of... | ||
| Augmented reality like reality replacement. | ||
| But wouldn't the curated shit become like the NBC, CBS, ABC version and then there's gonna be a blockchain version of AI where everybody agrees to have no centralized power and it just all gets created and curated and adjusted by the people that work inside the system. | ||
| That's the forum. | ||
| That's stability. | ||
| Dude, when I was... | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like that would like eliminate cults. | ||
| That's Stability AI, dude. | ||
| That's the people making this shit. | ||
| I couldn't find who made it. | ||
| I had to dig deep just to find who was making this technology available. | ||
| I couldn't find it because they're making it open source and their whole thing is what you're talking about. | ||
| It's all collaborative. | ||
| AI by the people for the people? | ||
| Yeah, dude, yeah. | ||
| And it was hard to find, like, this technology is the most mind-blowing shit out there, and it was hard to find who's behind it. | ||
| That might be, this concept behind this and the idea behind that, that might be the cure. | ||
| If this is the way that humanity interacts and exchange information from here on out, imagine if that becomes the norm. | ||
| That could be the norm. | ||
| And if that's the norm, that might be our way out of this. | ||
| If there's a way where you can get out of centralized power and the way is that it's almost impossible to avoid, just like it's impossible to not have a cell phone now. | ||
| You know, it's impossible. | ||
| I mean, you can do it. | ||
| People have done it. | ||
| Some people wear flip phones. | ||
| You can be a renegade, but most people don't. | ||
| What if it becomes like that with this? | ||
| And what if it becomes like that with decentralized AI? And if we all agree that this is the best way, and there's no manipulation, there's no coercion for you to opt in to a corporate controlled AI. You're like, why would I do that? | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| Why would I only watch the Big Bang Theory when I want to watch Game of Thrones? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'll watch Game of Thrones. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| And it's going to be like that with the way you interact with reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People are going to gravitate towards these ones that aren't controlled. | ||
| There'll be a bunch of fake ones that are controlled by Russia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And people get sucked into these ones and those ones be manipulative. | ||
| But I think ultimately... | ||
| Just like what the internet is doing for the exchange of information. | ||
| It's kind of like putting it in the hands of people that really never would have gotten into that position if they were involved in the corporate system. | ||
| Maybe it'll be like that with AI as well. | ||
| I mean, the stuff is most certainly being like, at least, you know, that stuff is open source. | ||
| When you are working with it, it's like, man, I'm telling you, it's like going into a wizard's library or something. | ||
| You're having to like, Pull out these weird tomes called collabs, these weird things on GitHub. | ||
| Like shit, I don't know. | ||
| It's so fucking arcane. | ||
| And like, you know, like going on YouTube channels like Prophet of the Singularity to like the name of the YouTube channels, Prophet of the Singularity, to get tutorials on how to make this shit work. | ||
| And it's all just people sharing information. | ||
| That's what I love about it. | ||
| Just people like, okay, I figured out how to do this, and then I figured out how to do that. | ||
| All going on in the background, just like what you were saying earlier. | ||
| While we're all at each other's fucking throats, the midterm elections are coming, and the fate of democracy lies in your vote. | ||
| In the background, these, I don't know who they are, wizard, transhumanist, AI people are just tapping code. | ||
| Okay, we're gonna make that a smarter. | ||
| We're gonna make it a little smarter. | ||
| I think he made it smarter here. | ||
| Let's make it smarter there. | ||
| Can we make it understand language better? | ||
| Yeah, we can. | ||
| Let's see if we can make it translate really bad audio into perfectly clear speech. | ||
| Okay, we can do that. | ||
| Let's just keep doing it. | ||
| All that's going on in the background. | ||
| And where it gets interesting is like they're sharing their information. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| We figured it out. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| And then some other wizard gets it and they're like, okay, I can make that better. | ||
| And then it gets a little better and a little better. | ||
| And then the AI starts making it better on its own. | ||
| It's like, all right, maybe I'll analyze this, the things my master's created. | ||
| And then let's see if I can make myself better. | ||
| That's that's how you get to McKenna's Singularity. | ||
| It's open-source collaboration between these geniuses and they don't honestly I don't think they give a fuck who it is working on it like anybody can like participate It's really cool man. | ||
| It's really badass. | ||
| I feel so excited to have stumbled upon it because That's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing that I thought that that may be the future, and then it's a real thing that's happening right now. | ||
| You tuned in to it, which is why I was like, it's Stability Eye, because I just discovered that. | ||
| It's like real punk rock, man. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think that's what we need, right? | ||
| You want some coffee? | ||
| I love some. | ||
| Pull it. | ||
| No, you got a mug right in front of you. | ||
| It's so hard to see in here with a candle. | ||
| Already blind as a bat. | ||
| Those candles are going down. | ||
| Me too, dude. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| The candles are getting a little dark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thanks Jamie. | ||
| Thanks for humoring us old men. | ||
| Yeah, but we are going blind. | ||
| There's no ifs, ands, or buts. | ||
| I've managed to put a halt to most of it with supplements. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I wonder if sauna use has a factor and the cold plunge has a factor. | ||
| But diet has a factor. | ||
| Paul Saladino sent me some data on seed oils. | ||
| They're connecting seed oils and consumption of seed oils, which is in fucking everything, to macular degeneration, to some people's vision issues. | ||
| Seed oils? | ||
| Was that what it was? | ||
| Make sure that that's correct. | ||
| Seed oils? | ||
| Yeah, seed oils. | ||
| What seeds? | ||
| Like grape seed oil, industrial seed oils that were originally industrial lubricants. | ||
| So, macular degeneration. | ||
| Vegetable oils, trans fats, including soybean, canola, corn, and cottonseed oil, as well as hydrogenated and partially... | ||
| Oh, click on that, because we brought this up before. | ||
| Do you have macular degeneration? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's old people's eyes don't work that good. | ||
| That's when it gets darker. | ||
| Like when you're driving, it seems really dark. | ||
| So this is what it says here in this article on... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Nutritional weight and wellness and it's bringing up nutrition episode board-certified epithemologist Featured fascinating discussions on the important nutrition connections to age-related macular degeneration That's what we have You may be surprised to learn that AMD is a leading cause of irreversible vision loss and blindness in the developed world and In AMD, | ||
| inflammation and reduced blood oxygen flow causes damage to the photoreceptors, rods, and cones, and the blood vessels of the macula of the retina. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Symptoms of AMD include blurred vision. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| Blind spots. | ||
| I don't have that yet. | ||
| Difficulty seeing in dim light. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I got that. | ||
| And difficulty switching to night vision, all which will only get worse over time. | ||
| Great. | ||
| The retina of the eye. | ||
| Okay, here it is. | ||
| So vegetable oils and trans fats include soybean, canola, corn, and cottonseed oils, as well as hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils undergo extensive heat and chemical processing. | ||
| By the end of that process, they're oxidized, damaged, and cause inflammation to all the tissues in our bodies, including our eyes. | ||
| To add insult to injury, these types of fats also make their way into most man-made and high-sugar foods, such as cakes, pastries, fried foods, salad dressings, dips, margarines, coffee creamers, cooking. | ||
| That's literally on my rider. | ||
| That makes these foods a double whammy of inflammation for our eyes. | ||
| Yeah, well, this is Lugavere, right? | ||
| I'm saying it right. | ||
| Max Lugavere and I talked about that on the podcast recently where he's discussing the nutritional benefits of olive oil, how good olive oil is for you. | ||
| It's like a superfood. | ||
| It's the opposite of what these things are. | ||
| These things are bad for you. | ||
| They cause inflammation. | ||
| Olive oil is actually good for you. | ||
| Dude, can you believe that shit? | ||
| All those things they just listed are poison, killing you, and no one really understands that. | ||
| It's making you go blind. | ||
| Well, they didn't know when they first started selling them. | ||
| So the problem is they're already selling them. | ||
| They used to think that saturated fat, like butter, was the culprit. | ||
| You know the study about the sugar study where they paid scientists off to say that sugar was causing all these heart issues. | ||
| When they did that, they created a narrative that everybody sort of bought into. | ||
| And that narrative is you want to get away from saturated fat, so what's the substitute? | ||
| Oh, well you get these vegetable oils. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Vegetables are good for you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Vegetables are good for you, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you want vegetable oil, it must be better for you. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then you find out about the processing involved and the oxidation that they're damaged and that it causes inflammation. | ||
| Dude, I feel like shit when I have a salad and it's got some shitty salad dressing on it. | ||
| It's always like, ugh, my stomach feels gross. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| But when I have a salad with olive oil and balsamic vinaigrette, it's fucking great. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I used to think that I didn't like eating salads, that it made me feel gross, and I realized, no, it's the fucking dressing. | ||
| Because I'm a dope, and if I had a nice Italian dressing, a zesty, I'll pour that shit all over. | ||
| It's like you're pouring all these weird fucking oils all over your food. | ||
| Ugh, dude, that's so fucked up, man. | ||
| We all do it, though. | ||
| Oh my god, Annie's goddess dressing, I will fucking dump it. | ||
| I'll turn my salad into a soup. | ||
| But you're being a good boy. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I'm eating my veggies. | ||
| Super healthy. | ||
| But meanwhile, it's not. | ||
| And then you get all puffed. | ||
| But if you do it with olive oil, it is healthy. | ||
| That's the rub. | ||
| And I think a lot of what these people are connecting, a lot of these people are talking about damages that vegetables do to you. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe it's what you're putting on them, too. | ||
| It could be that. | ||
| I mean, how many people are cooking their vegetables in these kind of oils? | ||
| A lot of people, man. | ||
| Vegetable oil. | ||
| Lard. | ||
| No, lard is different. | ||
| Lard is okay? | ||
| Rendered fat. | ||
| Yeah, that's what beef tallow is. | ||
| It's rendered fat. | ||
| That's good news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rendered fat is actually good for you, which is crazy, because you would say there's no way. | ||
| But actually, that's a fat that tolerates high heats better. | ||
| When you're cooking in high heats, you want... | ||
| Lard is good for you. | ||
| Beef tallow is very good for you. | ||
| It's just beef fat. | ||
| But like Crisco? | ||
| Not good for you. | ||
| Is that lard? | ||
| What's in there, though? | ||
| What's in Crisco? | ||
| I thought Crisco is lard. | ||
| Well, if lard means, I think the old-school, old-timey method, that's what I'm using. | ||
| Not processed lard. | ||
| I'm using, like, rendered pig fat. | ||
| They used to use rendered bear fat. | ||
| Bear fat was, like, super popular for a long time in this country. | ||
| Bears were very valued for their fat, believe it or not. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| And then there's beef tallow. | ||
| Okay, so this is Crisco. | ||
| Oh, vegetable oil. | ||
| Vegetable oil. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Originally cottonseed oil. | ||
| I don't eat it. | ||
| I just, for some reason, thought that was lard. | ||
| It sounds like it's lard, that's why. | ||
| But see, that's not good for you. | ||
| Look what it says on it, all vegetable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, it must be good for you. | ||
| All vegetable! | ||
| It's gotta be good for you. | ||
| It's like eating broccoli. | ||
| So we got duped by these fucking scientists in whatever, what was it, like the 50s or the 60s, whenever they did that? | ||
| They pay these guys like 50 grand. | ||
| It wasn't even a lot of money. | ||
| And they fucked up our entire food pyramid. | ||
| They screwed up people's ideas of what's healthy and what's not healthy. | ||
| And they did it for fucking just being bribed by the sugar industry. | ||
| How many other things? | ||
| Oh, but that's a nutty one, dude. | ||
| Because it still persists to this day. | ||
| When you tell people that you only eat mostly meat. | ||
| Yeah, 50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists to point the blame to fat. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, it is a bunker story. | ||
| So there was a rise, I think, in, what was it? | ||
| Arteriosclerosis? | ||
| What was the rise in, specifically? | ||
| There was some sort of a health epidemic. | ||
| Coronary heart disease? | ||
| Coronary heart disease. | ||
| So this coronary heart disease rise started happening. | ||
| People were getting fatter, and they were having heart attacks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so they were like, we've got to figure it out. | ||
| A way to not kill this fucking gravy train we're on. | ||
| They have these internal documents that were clearly pointing to sugar beet fucking terrible for you. | ||
| So they bribed scientists. | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| You know, are we just... | ||
| You know, idiots. | ||
| Are we just naive idiots that we are like astounded that humans could be that fucking evil to warp reality in a way, to poison people for money? | ||
| It's happening right now. | ||
| It's crazy to me. | ||
| It's absolutely still happening right now. | ||
| See, that's where we get hacked, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where the hacking happens because we want to feel safe. | ||
| You want to believe that- You want to believe we got it figured out now. | ||
| And you want to believe that there aren't people like that. | ||
| Literal warlocks, like literal evil wizards making bad potions and dispensing them to the people, poisoning them, and then trying to tell them that it's medicine. | ||
| Well, we'll go even further than that, what people are capable of. | ||
| Fentanyl. | ||
| People are capable of bringing fentanyl into the country for profit. | ||
| Fentanyl's not bad for you. | ||
| It's actually a misconception. | ||
| It's actually very good. | ||
| Dude, Jimmy Kimmel had a monologue joke. | ||
| I mean, fentanyl is scary. | ||
| And I know it's become a right versus left issue, but this speaks to what we were talking about before. | ||
| Jimmy Kimmel had a monologue where he was talking about right-wing people being scared of fentanyl coming in from the border in the form of candy during Halloween. | ||
| Oh, you know, this is like that joke that keeps popping up. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Like, nobody's gonna give their fentanyl away. | ||
| That's the joke, right? | ||
| There's like a million versions of it out there. | ||
| Like, who's gonna give their drugs away? | ||
| We broke this down with Dr. Phil. | ||
| The problem is not that they're bringing candy in and dosing it with fentanyl. | ||
| The problem is the fentanyl that they're making could be misconstrued as candy by kids. | ||
| Some of it is like these little brightly colored pills. | ||
| And if you're a kid and you're four and you see that, that looks like candy. | ||
| You're just going to take it and put it in your mouth. | ||
| Kids put everything in their mouth. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| They stuck things up their nose. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they do. | ||
| So if that's laying around, that's a concern. | ||
| That's a real concern. | ||
| Is it a concern that people are going to come across the border and give kids poisoned candy? | ||
| I don't think that's the concern, but to make light of this idea that the fentanyl issue is not a giant, terrifying issue that's killing somewhere like 100,000 people are dying of this drug every day. | ||
| Is there some dispute about that it's the number one killer of kids 18 to 45? | ||
| I mean, dude, it's in all the drugs. | ||
| You said there was some dispute, right? | ||
| Yeah, I was looking it up. | ||
| It was the number one killer, like most people, was cancer and heart disease. | ||
| The number one killer of all people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That includes 18 to 49. Yeah. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So what is... | ||
| I think that's why I was digging into the article. | ||
| It was like blaming it on fentanyl was a little tough. | ||
| Not that it was necessarily inaccurate, but no one's keeping track of fentanyl deaths. | ||
| They don't even write it on, I think, a death certificate that way. | ||
| It's just opioid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So let's just say opioid deaths. | ||
| Let's not even say fentanyl. | ||
| I think that was what they were saying. | ||
| I don't necessarily, they were saying it was all fentanyl poisoning, but, you know, fentanyl is just the most potent form of opiate. | ||
| So what's the number one opioid? | ||
| Is that the number one killer of people 18 to 49? | ||
| But what I'm saying is, if it's not fentanyl that's the number one killer, is it opioids that are the number one killer of people 18 to 49? | ||
| Isn't fentanyl cheaper than heroin? | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Well, it's way more potent. | ||
| A tiny, tiny, tiny amount can kill you. | ||
| If you look at it in relationship to a penny, it's like the tiniest part of a penny. | ||
| The PolitiFact says heart disease, cancer, and COVID outrank opioid overdoses as leading causes of death among all American adults. | ||
| Right, but the problem with COVID is if you are dying of opioids and you catch COVID and then you die from COVID, that's a COVID death. | ||
| You know what's funny, dude? | ||
| So many people listen to your fucking podcast, there's probably someone making fentanyl right now listening to this shit like, come on, it's not that bad! | ||
| A study by an advocacy group says that fentanyl is the leading cause of death for people ages 18 to 45 compared with other major causes of death such as automobile accidents, cancer, and suicide. | ||
| Heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19 outrank opioid overdoses as leading causes of death among all American adults. | ||
| I wonder, though, and I'm not discrediting the fact that people died from COVID, but we do know that a lot of people who died from COVID were already dying, and they listed them as COVID deaths, including people with cancer. | ||
| If you're taking opioids and your immune system is fucking destroyed and you're on your way out the door and you catch COVID, you're probably not going to make it. | ||
| Did COVID kill you or were you already dying? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, dude. | ||
| So what's the actual number then? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like if you found that number and you tacked it on. | ||
| Wait, didn't, Jamie, scroll up, didn't it say 100,000 people a year? | ||
| That was a quote someone had. | ||
| So right there it said 56,000. | ||
| See what it said there? | ||
| It said 2020, more than 56,000 people, but that is two years ago and it has gotten worse. | ||
| 2021, nearly 70 million. | ||
| 70,000. | ||
| CDC's online mortality database, 2021, nearly 70,000 people, 18 and over, died. | ||
| So that is shy of 100, but still fucking crazy. | ||
| Dude, that makes Jonestown look like nothing. | ||
| That's a large number of people. | ||
| Think of that, man. | ||
| Think of that. | ||
| Like, if we could see, like, all those dead bodies. | ||
| Like, you know the videos of Jonestown when they're all scattered around? | ||
| Well, just imagine a Super Bowl. | ||
| Imagine a Super Bowl audience. | ||
| It's a stadium filled with dead people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a year. | ||
| Every year. | ||
| Every year. | ||
| From overdosing. | ||
| Holy fuck, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's a way to look at it that really puts it in perspective. | ||
| Goddamn, that shit must feel good. | ||
| I've never done it, man. | ||
| It must just be like... | ||
| It must be an incredible... | ||
| Well, I think it's just... | ||
| It's probably amazing, but there's also the problem that they give it to you when you get hurt. | ||
| It's so it's hard to get off of I know a bunch of people that have gotten injured and then they got on Something and then whatever that painkiller was they had a really hard time getting off dude I flirted with that shit for a second and then something changed in my brain I used to like it. | ||
| I used to like taking like a Vicodin and Like I like the buzz but then it's the weirdest thing man. | ||
| Just one day It'd been a long time since I'd taken any of them. | ||
| I took it and And I just got really sick. | ||
| It made me feel woozy. | ||
| I didn't like the high at all. | ||
| I just got lucky. | ||
| But some people, yeah man, they take it and they're like, I've come home. | ||
| This is home. | ||
| This is where I want to be. | ||
| It's like warming your hands on a chemical fire. | ||
| Remember the old NyQuil? | ||
| The one that really got you fucked up? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I remember I took that old NyQuil in the 90s and I was sick one day and I took it and I was sitting in my bed watching TV and I couldn't have felt more loved. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I was like, the whole world is just full of love. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's love, love, love. | ||
| I was like, oh, no wonder why people love this stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I didn't know that it was that. | ||
| You could buy over the counter. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Was it codeine? | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| I think it was codeine. | ||
| Dude, it felt magical. | ||
| I don't know if it was in NyQuil, though. | ||
| Codeine was in NyQuil? | ||
| Whatever it was that I took. | ||
| It was some nasty stuff that you take a shot of. | ||
| I thought it was NyQuil. | ||
| Probably like some cough syrup. | ||
| Some kind of like cough syrup that had codeine in it. | ||
| Because I do know that was over the counter. | ||
| I think it was over the counter. | ||
| At one point in time, did NyQuil have Cody in it? | ||
| Or something like that? | ||
| I think NyQuil had some shit definitely that would make you kind of trip, but what you're describing sounds like an opioid or something. | ||
| It felt like that. | ||
| It felt just like pure love. | ||
| I remember feeling how good it felt to the rest of my head on the pillow. | ||
| It was wonderful. | ||
| And I was like, oh my god, this stuff is great. | ||
| I was like, keep this shit away from me. | ||
| I don't have the kind of self-control to not be drinking NyQuil every night. | ||
| Dude, that would be so weird if you were secretly addicted to NyQuil. | ||
| Well, I know people who have been. | ||
| I know there was a comic. | ||
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NyQuil? | |
| Yeah, there was a comic that used to make the staff pick him up NyQuil and drop it off in his green room. | ||
| Ugh! | ||
| Did you see the shit? | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| It's not weird, man. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| If you experience... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, what year was it? | ||
| I want to say it was when I got sick that I had the NyQuil. | ||
| I want to say it was late 90s. | ||
| Wasn't it a TikTok thing that just happened where their kids were cooking chicken and NyQuil? | ||
| And they had to say to stop doing that? | ||
| That's how you get the Island Boys. | ||
| Parents, be more careful with the kind of food you're cooking your kids. | ||
| Nobody was... | ||
| I don't think anyone was eating the chicken in the NyQuil. | ||
| It was just, I think, some weirdo poured NyQuil in a frying pan and threw chicken in it, and then it set off... | ||
| A TikTok challenge. | ||
| And then, of course, someone eventually was like, what happens if we eat the chicken? | ||
| Tell me that's not China. | ||
| Tell me that is not China fucking with America. | ||
| That's where you need the Ministry of Truth to stop the NyQuil Chicken crazes. | ||
| You hire this dude who's like, you know, the acting world's not really working out that well for him. | ||
| But we have a job for you in China to do disinformation videos. | ||
| How to handle risky internet trends like TikTok's NyQuil Chicken Challenge. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| They really cooked NyQuil, cooked chicken in NyQuil. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not surprised. | ||
| These kids are fucking crazy. | ||
| What year did NyQuil have something psychoactive in it, and did it change? | ||
| It used to have up to 25% alcohol, at least, and it looks like in 1991, around the time, is maybe when it changed. | ||
| What did it change it to? | ||
| It's just booze. | ||
| Because knowing my dumb ass, I might have had a jug sitting around from 91. That's a very long article about it. | ||
| A long article about it? | ||
| It's like the whole timeline of like every year of NyQuil and how popular it was and all the ads about it and I think it's changed multiple times. | ||
| I didn't say there was codeine in it specifically, but... | ||
| NyQuil tastes like shit, man. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Truly, like, it's so gross. | ||
| But I'm telling you, dude, this was this one time when I was sick. | ||
| I didn't experience this ever again. | ||
| And there was one other time where I was on morphine when I got my knee reconstructed. | ||
| They had a morphine drip on me. | ||
| I'm pretty positive. | ||
| They told me that when I pressed the button, you would get more morphine. | ||
| Because it's like connected to this thing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that if you felt bad, you could press the button and get more morphine. | ||
| So I was hammering that fucking thing. | ||
| But someone told me it's regulated. | ||
| Oh, like they just give you the impression you're in control of it, but you're not really. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm like, in 93? | ||
| In 1993? | ||
| They're not going to let you dial in your own morphine, because the more morphine you get, the higher you get, and then you forget. | ||
| You're like, when did I press the button last? | ||
| It's probably been 20 minutes. | ||
| It's been a couple of seconds. | ||
| That's how you OD. That's how people OD, is they get high, and they forget they took the pill, and then they go back and take the pill. | ||
| Right, but what if it only gives you like one milligram of a hammer? | ||
| Yeah, stroboscopic hands. | ||
| Wait, it's like 300 milligrams will kill you. | ||
| Yeah, 300 easy clicks to paradise. | ||
| Do you know what Peter Rattia told me about Tylenol? | ||
| He said, if you take 20 times the recommended dose, it'll kill you. | ||
| That's how dangerous Tylenol is. | ||
| Is acetaminophen, he said, is acetaminophen poisoning? | ||
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| Is like a very high rate of poisoning. | ||
| I heard that's the kind... | ||
| People that don't want to read the labels? | ||
| You go to the hospital. | ||
| You've decided to commit suicide with Tylenol. | ||
| You've changed your mind. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You go there thinking you're going to get, like, something... | ||
| They're going to give you something to make you better. | ||
| And they're like, your liver's gone. | ||
| Like, it's already eaten your liver up or something. | ||
| I don't know if this is just, like, some horror story I heard. | ||
| But I heard that's how it works, is once... | ||
| You're going to be alive a little bit... | ||
| You're gonna survive a little bit longer than after your liver is like kind of liquefied or something and then so it's a terrible OD. It's a terrible OD. Fuck that. | ||
| Acetaminophen eats you up. | ||
| That's why Vicodin's so bad because it's acetaminophen mixed with the opioid and it goes really well with... | ||
| White wine? | ||
| Red. | ||
| I was on a plane once, there was this lady next to me in first class, and she was fucking hilarious. | ||
| And she was like some business lady. | ||
| And she said, let me tell you something, a Xanax and a glass of wine, and I don't give a fuck what happens to this plane. | ||
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| She was hilarious. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| I think we were flying like overseas. | ||
| I think it was like an England flight or something like that. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| And this lady was just taking Xanax and drinking wine. | ||
| She didn't give a fuck. | ||
| And it was just like that combination for her in that moment was hilarious. | ||
| But I would imagine that would be super unmanageable. | ||
| I know people that have had problems with Xanax. | ||
| And especially like mixing Xanax. | ||
| I know a comic that was mixing Xanax with alcohol a lot. | ||
| Which you're not supposed to do. | ||
| No! | ||
| But that lady seems so happy. | ||
| Well, you are. | ||
| You're fucking happy till you're not, till you fucking come down. | ||
| I got addicted to Xanax. | ||
| It was fucking horrible, man. | ||
| I went on tour in Australia. | ||
| My dad had given me these sleeping pills that were the best fucking sleeping pills of all time, Joe. | ||
| And I'm so dumb, I didn't look in what was in it. | ||
| And there was Xanax in it. | ||
| There was a benzo in it. | ||
| Now, someone else had given me benzos. | ||
| Anyway, the point is, I didn't realize how many benzos I was taking. | ||
| So you were taking them every night to go to sleep? | ||
| And before a flight. | ||
| And so I end up getting home and, you know, I'm done with it. | ||
| Like, I feel like one flew over the fucking cuckoo's nest. | ||
| I'm like, I don't want to take this shit anymore. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| I feel gross. | ||
| It's like awful. | ||
| So I stopped taking it. | ||
| And you're not supposed to do that when you're addicted to Xanax. | ||
| So I stopped taking it. | ||
| I'm standing in line at a pharmacy, not to get more Xanax, to get cold. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know why it matters. | ||
| Advil or something. | ||
| So I'm standing in line and all of a sudden I get this weird fucking headache. | ||
| It feels like electricity is like, I don't know how to explain it. | ||
| Like my hand twitched or something and I'm like, ugh. | ||
| I just started feeling bad. | ||
| Went home. | ||
| Got into bed. | ||
| Worst headache of my fucking life. | ||
| I was closing my eyes. | ||
| I was seeing like bad trip images and stuff. | ||
| I couldn't sleep. | ||
| And I'm thinking, you know, man, if you go take Xanax, Right now, I guarantee this headache's gonna go away, because this is some kind of withdrawal, for sure. | ||
| And I'm like, if I fucking go take Xanax, that's how you get addicted to Xanax. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I just rode it out, white knuckled it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Dude, it was- And you didn't know you're not supposed to do that? | ||
| I did not care. | ||
| I think it hurt. | ||
| I think I just realized, like, I don't think I knew you could die. | ||
| I think I just, in my mind, I was like, and I don't think I was close. | ||
| I don't think I was, I mean, the people who die, they're like just drinking glasses of fucking Xanax. | ||
| But you know, from your experience, the grip. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| I mean, it's not just... | ||
| I mean, like, with a lot of things, vaping, like the basic little addictions, coffee, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, coffee's a rough one, though. | ||
| Generally, though, you don't get, like, a sledgehammer effect when you stop it, you know? | ||
| You just feel irritable. | ||
| You feel a little... | ||
| But, yeah, with Xanax, with the opiates, the opioids... | ||
| Well, they say that Xanax and alcohol are the only ones that can actually kill you. | ||
| If you get off of them too quick. | ||
| Yeah, delirium tremens, right? | ||
| With alcohol, you see spiders and shit. | ||
| You have the worst trip of your fucking life. | ||
| And this is why people can't quit, because they could die. | ||
| Also, I think you've got to look at civilization, society, modern society, and think about... | ||
| Why are people taking these opioids? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's not like everyone who gets addicted to fucking pills is some kind of miscreant junkie. | ||
| In fact, most of them are really good people. | ||
| They just, they kind of feel like whatever this shit is, reality, life, Minus the drugs is sort of a raw deal. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're kind of like why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why do I need to be sober in like according to your definition of sober? | ||
| You know a lot of people they're like here's what sober is and they're not even fucking sober. | ||
| They're on coffee. | ||
| They smoke cigarettes. | ||
| They're on pharmaceutical medications. | ||
| But yeah, I think a lot like probably a lot of people who are on pills As awful as they are, and man, I'll tell you, man, I'm very close to someone who's related to someone who has an opioid addict. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| Dude, it is awful. | ||
| It's a wrecking ball to families. | ||
| It destroys families in a way. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| The way it fucks up the family unit is so crazy, you can only compare it to demon possession. | ||
| It's like this used to be your brother. | ||
| This used to be your son. | ||
| It's a thing now that if it can, it's gonna steal your wallet. | ||
| It's gonna break into your house. | ||
| It's gonna like wreck your car. | ||
| But it looks like the person that you love. | ||
| But it keeps lying and robbing and doing awful shit. | ||
| Dude, it fucks up families. | ||
| Not just like direct families, it goes out and ripples. | ||
| So when you see 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses, that's just the people who died. | ||
| You're not seeing all the people who are close to death or the walking dead and the way that's impacting families and there's shame attached to it so people don't talk about it. | ||
| People don't know what to do. | ||
| The state isn't sophisticated enough to step in and deal with it. | ||
| Man, it's so fucking depressing. | ||
| It's so horrible. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's a fucking plague. | ||
| I mean, I know so many people who've been like just... | ||
| Ruined by it, and I'm sure you do too, man. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I know many people that have been ruined by it, and we know that it all came from pharmaceutical companies lying. | ||
| They lied about it being addictive. | ||
| They lied. | ||
| They distributed it. | ||
| What was that family? | ||
| The fentanyl family? | ||
| Was that family? | ||
| Jamie? | ||
| It's scary that people are willing to do stuff like that for profit and then once it happens and once you get that profit, you want to keep that profit rolling in so you keep selling it. | ||
| And you keep finding ways to prescribe it for people. | ||
| And people keep getting addicted. | ||
| Sacklers! | ||
| The Sackler family. | ||
| The fucking Sacklers, dude. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| They made so much money selling that stuff. | ||
| The thing is, if heroin was legal, like real, regular heroin, and people could snort it, and you get pure heroin, would all that stuff even exist anymore? | ||
| Probably not, right? | ||
| If it was regulated. | ||
| Because heroin's probably cheap to produce. | ||
| It probably doesn't kill you as easy either. | ||
| Like snorting heroin? | ||
| It probably doesn't kill you as easy. | ||
| As fentanyl? | ||
| As pills. | ||
| I have no idea, man. | ||
| Somehow I avoided heroin, like, of all the drugs. | ||
| I really have no idea. | ||
| I wonder, like, I think when people die from heroin overdose, are they dying from snorting it or are they dying from injecting it? | ||
| And if you made it legal, would people just start injecting it everywhere? | ||
| My guess is it doesn't matter how you get in your bloodstream. | ||
| Once you get to a certain amount, your respiratory system shuts down. | ||
| What's the word when you suffocate on your own puke? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Self-asphyxiation or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, you go to sleep, but then you throw up. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And then you suffocate. | ||
| You drown in puke, essentially. | ||
| Isn't that how Hendrix supposedly went out? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I mean, it's like that's how you go out is by drowning and puke. | ||
| It's a hell death. | ||
| You know, there's like a crazy conspiracy theory connected to Hendrix? | ||
| What? | ||
| That his manager had him whacked because he was going to leave his manager. | ||
| Like some guy who was like a security guy or something that wrote a book about it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of weird stuff to it. | ||
| Like Hendrix's girl, afterwards, threw herself off a roof. | ||
| And they were trying to say that they silenced her. | ||
| They took her to a fucking roof and threw her off of it. | ||
| They Putin'd her. | ||
| You know, that's very attractive. | ||
| I don't know the story. | ||
| I don't know whether it's correct or not. | ||
| I used to say, oh, I bet that's what happened. | ||
| But now I'm like, who the fuck knows? | ||
| But for sure organized crime was involved in music. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Why would they not be? | ||
| They were involved in everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The mob back in the day was involved in any fucking thing that was profitable. | ||
| You know, I think one of the coolest things the mob has done lately... | ||
| It's gotten people to go the mob back in the day. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're so smart because they're like, oh yeah, they got a PR person out there like, yeah, back in the day, the mob was doing all kinds of crazy stuff. | ||
| But the mob, it's mostly gone now. | ||
| There's no more mob. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| It's a smart move they did. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It's like when Vince and the Chin, you know, he used to walk around New York City with like a bathrobe on and slippers and act crazy. | ||
| And meanwhile he was like giving everybody information. | ||
| Come walk with me. | ||
| We're gonna walk. | ||
| This is what we're gonna do. | ||
| The fucking Malangaris, they think they got us on this? | ||
| We're gonna take them out at the fucking knees. | ||
| This is how we're gonna do it. | ||
| So he's laying out what needs to be done, managing all the business of all the families. | ||
| And along the way, the FBI bugged the cars. | ||
| So they knew his route that he would take. | ||
| And so they just bugged the hubcaps of all these cars. | ||
| They parked a bunch of cars there. | ||
| I think that's the story that's connected to that, right? | ||
| Isn't that how they got him? | ||
| Or am I conflating two mob stories? | ||
| They might have used that on more than one mobster, that technique. | ||
| But that's how they got him. | ||
| The guy was just acting crazy. | ||
| Dude, it's so funny to me. | ||
| You know the thing is, again, I don't mean to be cynical. | ||
| I'm an old man now. | ||
| I'm older now. | ||
| I have gotten to the point where I recognize that The government isn't evil. | ||
| It's trying to do something, and that thing it's trying to do is really fucking hard. | ||
| It's trying to create a democracy, a place where you could raise your kids, not have kids, whatever, but live a relatively free life, be healthy, happy. | ||
| It's trying to do that. | ||
| That's the machine is trying to do that, and it's failing a lot. | ||
| It's trying, but... | ||
| It's gotten infiltrated. | ||
| So within it, there's chunks of really nefarious bad shit. | ||
| But it's like, at some point, you look at the wars between governments and mob, mafia, organized crime, and it's like, really, what's the... | ||
| Which one... | ||
| They're both resorting to really brutal tactics. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They both are okay with killing people. | ||
| They both wage war. | ||
| I mean strategically when you look at it. | ||
| If you take any classic drug dealer, any mid-level drug dealer, Make them like 500 times more powerful and they become a pharmaceutical company, right? | ||
| Like at some point you go from like selling illegal drugs to just starting a company, making fentanyl, and then legally selling synthetic heroin and being protected by the police. | ||
| While you sell the drugs. | ||
| That's the only difference, right? | ||
| The idea is you get organized crime. | ||
| The organized crime, if it gets to a certain level, it gets on the radar, and then it gets shut down. | ||
| But if it manages to jump through that level, then usually it just gets into politics, right? | ||
| And then it just becomes part of the government, right? | ||
| That's the ultimate place you want to be. | ||
| You want to go from Succumbing to laws, to controlling the laws. | ||
| That's like victory, right? | ||
| When you get to make the laws. | ||
| So, I don't know, it seems like, I don't know, I always think it's funny when you're hearing about them bugging their hubcaps and stuff, and it's just like, shit, man, it seems like it's just another mob war. | ||
| You know, they're not calling themselves the mob, they're calling themselves the government. | ||
| But it's still kind of a mob, it's just one very, very powerful mob fighting. | ||
| You gotta be careful about malinformation, Duncan. | ||
| Did I do malinformation just now? | ||
| No, but we have to be careful. | ||
| That's why we need this organization protecting us from malinformation. | ||
| If you're wearing a clown suit on a podcast, you're allowed to do malinformation. | ||
| But you have to wear a stupid fucking clown suit. | ||
| Maybe that's the answer. | ||
| It's just like, look, make them wear something really dumb, and then they can malinform. | ||
| Maybe that's what the president should be. | ||
| Maybe you could be the president, but you have to dress like a clown. | ||
| That's one of our new rules. | ||
| Funny? | ||
| You can't, like... | ||
| Yeah, you can't dress up. | ||
| You have to dress like a clown. | ||
| Wait, didn't Biden dress like the Easter Bunny, though? | ||
| No, Ted Cruz... | ||
| Somebody did? | ||
| Yeah, Jamie, I'm sorry. | ||
| You looked that up. | ||
| It wasn't... | ||
| I think it was, like, the first lady... | ||
| You know that video of, like, the bunny, like, directing Biden? | ||
| Like, that was some... | ||
| Who is that? | ||
| You haven't seen this Easter Bunny? | ||
| Like the rabbit kind of like made him move on. | ||
| The rabbit made Biden move on? | ||
| So there's Biden waves to the rabbit. | ||
| Joe Biden quickly interrupted by Easter Bunny after he's talking about Afghanistan. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| So the Easter Bunny came in while... | ||
| Hey, it's Easter! | ||
| It's Easter, Mr. President! | ||
| Oh my God, he stepped right in front of the President while he was making that speech about Afghanistan. | ||
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| And moved him along. | ||
| That is insane! | ||
| It's fucking wild. | ||
| It's like The Shining. | ||
| What a genius organization we have watching over our best interests. | ||
| Because that's a great way to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's the only way you can do it and get away with it. | ||
| Yeah, he walked away. | ||
| Easter Bunny's like, sir, Mr. President? | ||
| He's probably got a gun to his back, sir. | ||
| This is not a finger. | ||
| I would pay a lot of money to have a fucking Easter Bunny follow me around and do that whenever I was about to say some dumb shit. | ||
| Like a rabbit's like, come on, Duncan, let's go. | ||
| We should have that on the podcast. | ||
| Anytime we're talking about something, we don't know what the fuck we're talking about. | ||
| A rabbit shows up. | ||
| Just comes out of the curtain. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Malinformation. | ||
| It would be an AI rabbit that looks like Coraline's mother. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah, the rabbit's pushing him around. | ||
| Yeah, go! | ||
| The rabbit's guiding him. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| What in the fuck, dude? | ||
| Who was the rabbit? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Who was in the suit? | ||
| Furries are secretly controlling the government. | ||
| It's not lizard people. | ||
| Oh my fucking god. | ||
| They misread the Great Scrolls. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Dude, it could have been an alien in the suit. | ||
| I'm back. | ||
| It could have been anything in the suit of a robot. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Imagine it gets in there and takes it off the top and it's a fucking gray alien. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Has been communicating with the White House this whole time. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Don't say that. | ||
| That's spooky, man. | ||
| I mean, it is. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| Remember that scene in The Shining? | ||
| It's real quick where they open the door and it's like a furry sucking a guy's dick. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| A guy with a mask or something like that, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's creepy. | ||
| It's like anything like that where you're like... | ||
| Because whoever's under that, whoever's in that suit, it's not like they heard him talking. | ||
| It's that someone told them, hey, 798, go interrupt the president. | ||
| He's about to say something about Afghanistan. | ||
| He's talking about Afghanistan. | ||
| Move, move, move! | ||
| Move, now, go, go! | ||
| Do we have an Easter Bunny near the president? | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Interrupt. | ||
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| Oh my god, that's so wild. | ||
| It's so wild they just can't let him talk. | ||
| And it's so wild that Twitter is fact-checking him now. | ||
| Twitter fact-checks Biden's tweets. | ||
| Look, man, if we're gonna do fact-checking, it's gotta be for everybody. | ||
| It's gotta be for everybody. | ||
| Everybody! | ||
| And that's good for everybody. | ||
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| You can't have such a lazy game. | ||
| Your propaganda game can't be that lazy. | ||
| How about no fucking propaganda game? | ||
| Wouldn't that be nice? | ||
| It'd be sweet. | ||
| It'd be nice to not be always constantly getting blasted by some weird fucking propaganda. | ||
| I would love that. | ||
| I mean, again, it is our fault. | ||
| We're the ones turning on our propaganda rectangles and letting it hypnotize us. | ||
| It is consensual propaganda. | ||
| It's not like people are standing in front of our houses with megaphones. | ||
| But it also has real-world consequences. | ||
| We're seeing these people. | ||
| We're seeing some of the attitudes that they're adopting. | ||
| And some of the things that they're pushing to just stay in control of government. | ||
| It's like, you guys are stirring up the bullshit. | ||
| You're misrepresenting people. | ||
| You're doing it to cause conflict. | ||
| And you're doing it to shore up your party. | ||
| And you're doing it wantonly. | ||
| You're doing it on purpose. | ||
| We can see it. | ||
| It's real obvious. | ||
| Why do you even... | ||
| You know, like, sometimes I watch Game of Thrones or the new one, which is badass House of Dragons. | ||
| And you're like, everybody wants to be fucking king. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's a managerial job. | ||
| It's like everyone's fighting for just to sit. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's what we were talking about before. | ||
| That desire to be the head of the clan. | ||
| The desire to be the head of the tribe is instilled in all of us. | ||
| We were in these little tribal groups for most of the time that we were humans. | ||
| For thousands of years we lived like that. | ||
| Until they figured out transportation, until they figured out how to ride animals, until they figured out how to branch out, until they figured out boats. | ||
| That's how humans lived. | ||
| That's how we'd be developed into humans. | ||
| That's how we survived. | ||
| You don't want to be president. | ||
| No, but it's instilled in the DNA you're a logical person. | ||
| But I would imagine if you weren't, and if it was also instilled upon you as a small child that that's the best job in the world, and you can't sing and you can't dance, and you're not good at writing books, you can be the fucking president. | ||
| Do you fit the right criteria? | ||
| Are you trustworthy? | ||
| Can you speak in a way? | ||
| You don't even have to be extraordinary in your accomplishments. | ||
| As an intellectual, as an artist, as anything. | ||
| All you have to do is be this person that talks. | ||
| A lot of them are lawyers, right? | ||
| And they learn how to talk in a certain way, and they're convincing enough, and they've got enough people to cover up their dirty secrets, that they can get into a position of extreme power. | ||
| And the only way out of that is people realizing how dumb that is and people not wanting to do it anymore and you get a smaller and smaller group of people that are running and a less and less interesting and charismatic group of people that are running because nobody wants that fucking eye of Sauron on you. | ||
| Nobody wants that microscope and your fucking your life and all of your details of it and you want to be the president of what? | ||
| Are you out of your fucking mind? | ||
| Yeah, you don't want that. | ||
| You don't So the only people that do want that are the people that are like so deeply entrenched in that game. | ||
| And we're seeing, like with Biden and with Trump, it's people that have been around a long time. | ||
| With Trump, maybe not politics, but around politics a long time. | ||
| And with Biden in politics forever. | ||
| They're like wrapped up in that system. | ||
| If you're a fucking motocross rider, you want to be the guy who wins the race. | ||
| It's a fucking game. | ||
| It's your whole day. | ||
| All day. | ||
| Twelve hours a fucking day. | ||
| That's your... | ||
| You want to get what you put in that bill through. | ||
| You want to talk to your constituents. | ||
| You want to push your narrative. | ||
| You want to do this. | ||
| You want to do... | ||
| It's a winner of death and destruction. | ||
| Death and disease. | ||
| Illness and death. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| This is like you're guiding the zeitgeist of the population. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Annoying. | ||
| And real. | ||
| But that's real. | ||
| That's really actually happening. | ||
| That's really actually happening. | ||
| Ugh, it's just so, it's so fucked up, man. | ||
| Like, it would be so cool if we just evolved to the point where at some point nobody wants to be president. | ||
| Like, no one will run. | ||
| What would they do then? | ||
| What if everybody was just like, nah, we're not interested in the job. | ||
| The problem is there's always going to be militaries. | ||
| There's always going to be people that are in charge of the militaries. | ||
| If you're in charge of the biggest military and you have the biggest might, You know, you have a real significant advantage over everybody else that's talking shit and trying to do things. | ||
| And maybe you're interfering in these countries. | ||
| Maybe you're fucking finagling behind the scenes and, you know, sowing the seeds of resentment and hate around the world because of your policies. | ||
| And maybe that's actually happening. | ||
| And maybe you don't want to lose that power. | ||
| Also, maybe you just, like, probably by being in the government, you get security clearance. | ||
| Once you get the security clearance, you start seeing what's really going on. | ||
| Once you start seeing what's really going on, you probably stop talking shit as much as we do. | ||
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| You're probably like, oh, I get it now. | ||
| Well, here's the counter-argument. | ||
| The counter-argument is you need that because there's so much fucked up shit going on in the world. | ||
| And if we didn't do that, it would be way worse for us. | ||
| That's the counter-argument. | ||
| And there's a lot of arguments against counter-argument because there's a lot of money involved. | ||
| There's a lot of defense spending. | ||
| The defense spending is crazy numbers. | ||
| So much money. | ||
| It's more than a trillion dollars a year or something like that. | ||
| It's so much money. | ||
| So much money. | ||
| So you got to think about there's a lot of business. | ||
| That's the Eisenhower speech where he's talking about the military industrial complex. | ||
| There's a lot of business attached to that too. | ||
| But there's also the argument that you need it. | ||
| The argument is not hippie utopia, let's look at the world through rose-colored glasses. | ||
| The argument is like, how much are we contributing to the problems of the world and how much are we fixing them? | ||
| And if the government is not good at Anything! | ||
| There's not one thing where they're like, they fucking nailed that. | ||
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Nailed it. | |
| There's not one thing. | ||
| Hold on, wait. | ||
| I'll think of something. | ||
| There's gotta be something. | ||
| Post office. | ||
| Post office is probably the best thing they've ever done. | ||
| Post office. | ||
| Post office is pretty fucking incredible. | ||
| People shit on the post office. | ||
| It's the only way you're allowed to transport live chicks. | ||
| So if you want to raise chickens, you get live chicks. | ||
| You have to get them transported by the post office. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, they know how to do it. | ||
| So we got the post office. | ||
| There's got to be something else. | ||
| Libraries. | ||
| Libraries. | ||
| Yeah, they do a pretty good job at that. | ||
| Library of Congress? | ||
| Because people that are involved in libraries are dedicated to giving people books because they know how valuable information is. | ||
| That's the purest example of wanting to help people. | ||
| Vietnam! | ||
| Vietnam went perfectly. | ||
| That was a good one. | ||
| We learned a lot. | ||
| We learned a lot. | ||
| We learned a lot from Vietnam. | ||
| Was it perfect? | ||
| No. | ||
| But yeah, when you look at the bigger picture, the many, many mistakes... | ||
| That have happened. | ||
| You know, it is curious to me, though, like, we do live in a time now where it seems like there, like, if you just, it seems like there's almost like a prohibition. | ||
| People don't want you to say, like, maybe we shouldn't go to war. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if you start saying that, you get aligned with one side or the other. | ||
| Well, the thing is Russia invaded Ukraine. | ||
| Russia, they connected Trump. | ||
| Trump is bad. | ||
| Trump collude Russia. | ||
| That was a narrative for so long, right? | ||
| So whether you believe it or not, whether it's been refuted or not, I thought mostly it has. | ||
| But at the end of the day, they really were successful in connecting Trump to Russia. | ||
| There's a feeling you get when you feel about Russia. | ||
| You're an anti-Trump guy, and then Russia invades Ukraine. | ||
| Okay, this is a horrible act of war. | ||
| Clearly, there's one party that has escalated this to the point of violence, and it's the worst thing that could ever happen in the world, when a neighboring country invades a neighboring country. | ||
| Fucking Jesus Christ, the world has to sit back and watch this. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that. | ||
| So everybody is, like, pushing to arm Ukraine. | ||
| And I don't see a lot of people clamoring for some sort of a peace agreement or at least conversations about it. | ||
| I know they've had some conversations. | ||
| Zelensky, he wants, like, Putin to resign. | ||
| You know, like, have you ever seen that? | ||
| Like, that he wants Putin to step down. | ||
| Like, that's one of the things. | ||
| Didn't he say that? | ||
| He said he would talk to Russia, but he wouldn't talk to the president of Russia or something like that. | ||
| He definitely wants him to step down. | ||
| He wants him to step down. | ||
| Is that the only thing that will accept? | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| The best analysis of it I saw was on Russian state TV, where some of the people on Russian state TV are starting to say, wait a minute. | ||
| And this guy was like, look, Ukraine is... | ||
| I don't remember the words he used. | ||
| Well, I don't speak Russian. | ||
| They were translating it. | ||
| But he's essentially saying, look... | ||
| You're not... | ||
| You're not... | ||
| He was saying, these are the people, these are Russians. | ||
| They survived this or that. | ||
| I can't remember the exact thing they're talking about. | ||
| The siege of... | ||
| I don't remember what it's called. | ||
| I'm sorry, man. | ||
| I'm terrible at history. | ||
| But he's like, these are Russians. | ||
| They survived all this. | ||
| You're not going to starve them out. | ||
| You're not going to freeze them out. | ||
| They're not backing down. | ||
| You don't have their minds. | ||
| You're not going to get them to surrender. | ||
| So where's the out? | ||
| The idea was quick invasion. | ||
| They're gonna surrender right away and then He's gonna like take a chunk of Ukraine and then everything Everything like ends but it sucks because still yet whatever but it's like it's not working so even There's no way to, like, say, like, all right, well, let's concede this, the Donbass or whatever to Russia, because Ukraine's like, fuck that. | ||
| We're taking Crimea back. | ||
| Like, we're taking all of it back because they're starting to win. | ||
| And they're winning because the largest military on Earth has been giving them God knows what. | ||
| We only, God knows what. | ||
| Like, what kind of data they're getting from, like, satellites we don't even know are up there. | ||
| Well, Russia's threatening to shoot down satellites now. | ||
| Well, that's why, because I'm sure we're giving them hardcore data about everything. | ||
| So it's like, man, this is what's so scary about it, isn't it? | ||
| It's like, where is the concession that has to happen for a war to end? | ||
| Where's the thing where Putin can successfully withdraw the troops? | ||
| And why isn't this the conversation? | ||
| Like that you're seeing amongst most people online. | ||
| Shouldn't most people online be saying that instead of like just blindly supporting one side or the other? | ||
| Shouldn't they be going we got to stop this in its fucking tracks? | ||
| Well, I feel like what should be happening is a massive public, like, demand for there to be talks between everybody. | ||
| Like, in Russia, they should be like, fucking talk to Zelensky. | ||
| Here, we should be like, fucking Biden, talk to fucking Putin. | ||
| You know, not just about, what's her name? | ||
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Brittany Grant. | |
| Not just about her, but let's... | ||
| As grotesque as it might be to sit down and try to negotiate with people who thought it was a good idea to just fucking invade another country and kill a bunch of people, it's preferable to nuclear holocaust. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So let's just fucking... | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| No one wants to do it. | ||
| Like, you know, that whole thing, there was a period, I don't know if you did that, but for a while you start watching documentaries on Putin, and you catch that weird aspect of them, you're like... | ||
| There's something kind of cool about him, right? | ||
| There was, like, this weird cool thing. | ||
| That's gone! | ||
| We all think he's a fucking, like, tyrannical asshole. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| We get it. | ||
| Nobody likes him. | ||
| He's horrible. | ||
| He killed countless kids and his own soldiers. | ||
| He's fucking awful. | ||
| But, like, we need a solution to this that doesn't end in a nuclear holocaust. | ||
| Like, or something worse. | ||
| Like, those motherfuckers have smallpox, too. | ||
| They don't just have nuclear weapons. | ||
| Like, they've got all kinds of shit over there that... | ||
| You know, lots of stuff, just like we do. | ||
| So, goddamn, man. | ||
| I mean, I feel like such a stupid hippie, because it's like, I don't know anything. | ||
| I'm sure if I was a Ukrainian and my children had been blown up, I would be like, yeah, let the fucking nuclear bomb come, because I don't have anything else to live for. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Let's destroy them. | ||
| Let's kill them. | ||
| That's what war is. | ||
| You get no froth! | ||
| And even saying, like, God, I wish they could talk. | ||
| Who am I to fucking say? | ||
| I live in fucking Austin. | ||
| You know, I ride one of those pedicabs around sometimes for music festivals. | ||
| I don't know what the smell of burning... | ||
| I never smelled burning children. | ||
| People there fucking have. | ||
| Right now, at the same time that you're here in Austin, that's happening. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| That's what's insane about the world. | ||
| Fucking horrible, but it's like, how do you, how do you, how do you get like, logic or like, Human reasoning to appear in the most illogical, unreasonable thing, which is fucking war. | ||
| How do you summon the spirit of rationality in a place where people, just for living, had their children's playground blown up? | ||
| People were at a playground and fucking Russia shot missiles into it. | ||
| How do you fucking make that work after that? | ||
| You don't! | ||
| You don't. | ||
| And then it's like, okay, well, we're going to stop giving them weapons because we don't want there to be a nuclear holocaust. | ||
| So it's like, really? | ||
| You don't want to push back against this massive empire that just decided to encroach upon another country? | ||
| You think they're going to stop? | ||
| Are they going to stop? | ||
| I don't know the solution, man. | ||
| What's the fucking solution? | ||
| You know, it's like we need our presidents to have that thing that the chest dude had up his ass. | ||
| You know, something that's vibrating. | ||
| From aliens. | ||
| Yeah, from aliens. | ||
| They give us all the data. | ||
| Now, the most hopeful version for me of this alien thing is that they're monitoring all this. | ||
| And they realize there's a point in civilization... | ||
| Just like there's a point in the evolution of everything that's competitive. | ||
| It's like they're trying to succeed and squash out all the things that are against them. | ||
| And if they have the capability of literally destroying... | ||
| Thousands of people, and they do it on a regular basis. | ||
| So thousands of people is pretty normal, right? | ||
| Thousands of people in Ukraine is... | ||
| Thousands of people are dead, right? | ||
| How many people have been killed by drones, all told? | ||
| It's gotta be a thousand, right? | ||
| Way over that. | ||
| Let's take a guess. | ||
| How many people do you think have been ever killed by drones in warfare? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| What do you think it is? | ||
| It's gotta be, like... | ||
| It's got to be over 100,000 people, right? | ||
| I'm going to guess... | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to guess like 80,000 people. | ||
| How many people have been killed by drones ever? | ||
| I'm just guessing. | ||
| I have no idea what it would be. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I'm trying to find the answer. | ||
| It's mixing a bunch of stuff together at once. | ||
| Oh, you want to read it? | ||
| Well, no, no, I'm just on Google. | ||
| The one I said is like military. | ||
| How many people have the U.S. military killed in general? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I Googled drones. | ||
| How about just a number of deaths by drone per year? | ||
| I got a counting drone death strikes. | ||
| Ah, there's no number. | ||
| This says the estimates are incomplete. | ||
| They're like, whatever, whatever. | ||
| Do you ever see that art installation that any time a drone strike happened, it lit a match? | ||
| It would sit there and somehow it was connected to whatever that is. | ||
| So whenever there's a drone strike, a match or something would light and it would just drop it on the ground. | ||
| Or it would burn a piece of paper and just drop it on the ground. | ||
| The scariest thing about the drones is the number of people that are innocent that get killed. | ||
| U.S. airstrikes killed at least 22,000 civilians since 9-11. | ||
| Way lower than we thought! | ||
| Way lower. | ||
| Figures based on reported numbers of U.S. airstrikes highlight the human cost of the 20-year war on terror. | ||
| So, but that's airstrikes. | ||
| That could be missiles launched out of jets, right? | ||
| Couldn't it be other things other than just drones? | ||
| I mean, way more people are dying from fentanyl than drones. | ||
| U.S. drone and airstrikes. | ||
| So it's combined. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's both of those things. | ||
| So drone and airstrikes. | ||
| As perhaps as many as 48,000. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's a lot of people. | ||
| So they've killed at least 22,000 and perhaps as many as 48,000 since the 9-11 terror attacks. | ||
| The analysis based on U.S. military's own assertion is that it has conducted almost 100,000 airstrikes since 2001. Holy shit, dude. | ||
| Represents an attempt to estimate the number of civilian deaths across the multiple conflicts that have comprised aspects of the war on terror. | ||
| Holy shit, dude. | ||
| I want you to just think about 100,000 airstrikes. | ||
| Imagine watching that video. | ||
| It'd be a long video. | ||
| That's a long video. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Super sad. | ||
| Potentially as high as 48,308 civilians killed. | ||
| The number is nuts too. | ||
| It's like mostly the wrong people. | ||
| Man, I don't know. | ||
| I just really hope that somehow, by some fucking miracle, somehow, somehow, to me, it's caught me, man. | ||
| The war has caught me. | ||
| I look at it every night. | ||
| I'm always checking it out. | ||
| I got kids now. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| For everybody, for loved ones, for society as we know it. | ||
| It's terrifying for everything about everything about life. | ||
| And it's like, what's really, I think, the most like, the thing that freaks me out the most is like, truly, all that has to happen is one dude... | ||
| Has to go, you know what? | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| You're going to kill me or I'm going to get arrested. | ||
| I fucked up and just bring all the troops out and it's done. | ||
| Like, that's it. | ||
| That's the thing that's like so... | ||
| I don't think it's that easy, man. | ||
| There's a lot of checks and balances in place. | ||
| Putin, I think, could just be like, I fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think he's ever going to say that. | ||
| I don't think he can say that when you want to be running a strong country like Russia. | ||
| I literally don't think that's in the way they ever communicate. | ||
| Well, I know. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| I know, but it's weird, right? | ||
| Yeah, it is weird. | ||
| But it's almost like you're asking him to blow guys on TV. It's not going to happen. | ||
| It's like he's such an old school leader in the weirdest sense of appealing to that one alpha that runs the tribe. | ||
| He's so old school in that regard. | ||
| It's like a figure of history, right? | ||
| The man that controls this entire country. | ||
| That's a common figure in history. | ||
| And that's what he is now. | ||
| And we just forget that that's how humans are kind of hardwired. | ||
| And I really, I mean, obviously, I'm not an anthropologist, but I would assume that that has something to do with the way we developed in tribes. | ||
| And we can't get away from it with that guy. | ||
| We can't get away with the Trump lovers, with everything. | ||
| Everybody wants some person that's our solution to all those things. | ||
| Carrie Lake's going to take us home. | ||
| You know, everybody's got this thing in their head that they think is going to be the solution to all the problems. | ||
| And I'm not saying that those people aren't individual solutions to problems that are happening locally around them. | ||
| I think they are. | ||
| And I think that makes sense even more than a president. | ||
| But at the end of the day, when all is said and done, it's fucking strange. | ||
| It's fucking strange that there's all this unnecessary conflict that's consistently going on all around us and we don't question it. | ||
| We don't go like what what kind of nonsense world we live in and we don't have much time kids We should be a lot nicer to each other. | ||
| It's not that hard, right? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean I doubt it like it it all goes back to that. | ||
| It's like alright. | ||
| Well get off I'm talking to myself here. | ||
| This is by the way. | ||
| I've here's my shit. | ||
| Here's my Spirit Shitty spiritual advice is what I discover. | ||
| I'm telling you man. | ||
| It's changed my life Anytime Instead of the old days when I'd blither and blather and ear beat people with some spiritual fucking advice for their lives. | ||
| Anytime I'm about to do that, I don't. | ||
| And I apply it to myself. | ||
| So it's like if I'm about to like suggest to someone that maybe exercise is gonna make them feel better. | ||
| I exercise. | ||
| Or if I'm like, you know what, maybe you should meditate. | ||
| That's when I meditate. | ||
| Instead of saying it, I just start applying it to myself. | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| It's really fucking good advice for me. | ||
| You're taking your own advice. | ||
| For me. | ||
| Luckily. | ||
| Because it's easier to get someone else to exercise than to get you to exercise and meditate. | ||
| So it's like, what I'm doing right now, and I'm not recommending this for anybody else, is I'm just trying to calm the fuck down. | ||
| Just calm down. | ||
| Stop getting so fucking frustrated. | ||
| Stop being wobbly or unstable. | ||
| Try to maintain stability in an honest way. | ||
| Around my family and friends for as much as I can. | ||
| That's why I quit drinking. | ||
| And it's working wonders. | ||
| It's working wonders. | ||
| So it's like, you know, with this stuff, it's so frustrating because it's like, what the fuck are we going to do? | ||
| What? | ||
| I guarantee Putin isn't going to listen to this podcast and be like, you know what? | ||
| Maybe instead of the war, I will start blowing dudes on TV. That's not gonna happen, you're right! | ||
| But it's like, yeah, so that's frustrating. | ||
| There's a very limited realm of control we have out there. | ||
| So it's like, alright, what do you have control over? | ||
| What do you have control over? | ||
| And it's like that thing you were talking about when we went out to eat, you're like, You gotta put that monster in a box. | ||
| That thing. | ||
| Whatever your particular monster may be, figure out a way. | ||
| Keep it in the box. | ||
| Eventually you can actually melt it down. | ||
| Like, it doesn't even have to be a monster anymore. | ||
| They say that you could actually, over time, The thing becomes less and less and less and less of a monster. | ||
| But we were talking about mental illness that applies to obsessing on things. | ||
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| Which is why we can't fuck with video games. | ||
| That's what the monster was for us. | ||
| That monster is this desire to get immersed in things. | ||
| And it's fucking creepy. | ||
| It takes people. | ||
| Gamblers? | ||
| They're possessed by demons. | ||
| Like hardcore gamblers. | ||
| Did you see Uncut Gems? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's an Adam Sandler movie, and it's not a comedy at all. | ||
| It's a fucking great movie. | ||
| It's probably one of the best movies about gambling, if not the best, ever made. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| It'll give you anxiety. | ||
| You'd be like, oh my god, Jesus fucking Christ. | ||
| When you're watching this movie, you're like, oh my god. | ||
| It's all about a gambling junkie. | ||
| Adam Sandler plays it perfectly. | ||
| And the movie is all about these rushes that these people get from gambling, and it just takes over every aspect of their life. | ||
| Just like a fucking video game. | ||
| Just like anything else, man. | ||
| Things can take over your life. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So it's like learning that and where you've been taken over and then seeing if you can lessen your addiction to whatever the thing may be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not like... | ||
| Manage it. | ||
| First, just recognize it. | ||
| That's the first trick. | ||
| Recognize. | ||
| I don't mean addiction to booze or whatever. | ||
| I mean literally like... | ||
| You know like how there's a... | ||
| You know that thing, like someone's got a difficult personality. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they hurt people a lot. | ||
| But instead of recognizing, oh shit, I've got a difficult personality and I'm hurting people a lot, they're like, that's who I am! | ||
| I'm that person who does the crazy thing all the time! | ||
| That's just me! | ||
| It's like, don't be that person. | ||
| Recognize like you can't you should stop hurting people right like it's not and and I I speak as someone who like a lot would rationalize really bad Traits is like, you know, man, that's what I'm like. | ||
| And it's like, no, it doesn't have that. | ||
| I don't need to be that way. | ||
| I don't need to be like a shit talker, a gossip. | ||
| I don't need to be someone who's like always mad at some certain person. | ||
| I definitely don't need to be a person who like is passive aggressive or punishes people with anger. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't have to be that way. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I don't have to be that way. | ||
| All I have to do is start blowing dudes on fucking TV. It's funny, though, that you said that, because the vision stuck in my head. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| But you know what I mean, man? | ||
| That, that's all we have control over, is like, look at your own crazy fucking tyrant being, right? | ||
| Like, look at your own monstrous thing that you've been pretending, that's just me, man. | ||
| That's what I'm like. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| And play around with the idea, maybe that's not you. | ||
| Maybe that's just something you're addicted to being, and you could actually... | ||
| Stop being that way. | ||
| And it's not easy. | ||
| I'm not saying it's easy. | ||
| Habits are really hard to break, man. | ||
| This is one of the real problems with psychedelics being outlawed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is that people aren't allowed to have these sort of transcendent moments in those psychedelic experiences. | ||
| Because some people truly can't handle it. | ||
| Some people it's not for them. | ||
| That's absolutely true. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But for a lot of people it is. | ||
| And you can't say it doesn't benefit a lot of people when I know so many fucking people who have benefited from it, including me. | ||
| And to deny that to people, to keep that from people, I think is a real travesty. | ||
| It's a travesty in our cultural development, our development as a community. | ||
| It would help us develop as a community if people had some experience with regenerating their view of the world. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| That could be Available to everybody, but it's being withheld from you by people who haven't experienced it It makes no fucking sense The people that are trying to keep you from doing mushrooms for sure aren't doing mushrooms Because if they were they would realize that the thing to do would be to spread these to everybody and to give people the chance to recognize That maybe they're under the the hypnotism the maybe they're under the spell a certain frequency That's not the only way to live You can live in a different frequency. | ||
| You can establish a different frequency amongst the people you love. | ||
| You can establish a different frequency with yourself. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And to deny that from people just because you're afraid of it or because of propaganda, it's very anti-science. | ||
| Because there's a lot of science that points to it. | ||
| Helping people with all sorts of things. | ||
| End of life crises. | ||
| That's a giant one with people that have taken psilocybin. | ||
| It's allowed them to really relax and think about existence and look at it in a completely different way. | ||
| And I don't think that's available through just someone sitting next to you and asking you questions and having a counseling session. | ||
| I'm sure that's great. | ||
| I'm sure that that counseling of end of life is great. | ||
| You know what's better? | ||
| Five grams of mushrooms. | ||
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| That's way better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not going to kill you. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| I mean, especially if we figure out a way to grow it legally where shit gets inspected, it's going to be good for you. | ||
| Dude, I bet five grams of mushrooms is more intense than death. | ||
| Like, whatever that experience is probably makes... | ||
| Like, when you're dying, when you're actually dying, you're like, fuck, man, this is, like, so much nicer than that time I took five grams of mushrooms. | ||
| Or maybe it's the same thing. | ||
| Maybe it's the same thing, but... | ||
| That's the DMT feeling, right? | ||
| Don't you get that feeling? | ||
| That's the next door. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like, you open up the door and you're like, oh, this is life. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think that's what's really going on here. | ||
| What happens is you get all constricted, you know, like when you're a kid and you tie a rubber band around your finger. | ||
| You've done that, except it's not your finger, it's some appendage connecting you to infinity. | ||
| And you've figured out a way via like your beliefs and habits to tie a tourniquet around that. | ||
| And it sucks. | ||
| Remember, it was cool when you were in school. | ||
| You'd watch your finger turn purple and you'd be like, whoa, look at that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Look how it's going blue. | ||
| It's like when you see a significant asshole. | ||
| That's really what you're looking at. | ||
| You're just looking at someone who's really tight in the fucking tourniquet between them and Infinity to the point where they're just like filling up with their own ego and like the shit of this world. | ||
| They get really puffed and mean and cruel and defensive and scared. | ||
| Because why wouldn't you be scared? | ||
| You think you're a balloon. | ||
| What's more vulnerable than a fucking balloon? | ||
| You know, your balloon looks like your body, but really it's just a balloon. | ||
| It's like a balloon that's definitely gonna run out of air eventually, but luckily you're more than the balloon. | ||
| But if you think you're just the fucking balloon, you're gonna freak the fuck out. | ||
| Like anyway, there's might be a way to psychedelics, meditation, whatever the fuck it is to sort of realize, oh no. | ||
| I'm much more than this little thing that is currently parading around with my name. | ||
| Much more than that. | ||
| And then you really calm down. | ||
| That's when you're really gonna calm down. | ||
| Because it's not quite the same anymore. | ||
| And then just that little bit of calming down, it's gonna make other people around you calm down. | ||
| I'm telling you, man, the conversation doesn't have to be around politics. | ||
| It should be eventually around politics, because that's what shapes laws and everything like that, but it needs to start with this fundamental truth, which is humans can suffer less. | ||
| You, as an individual, don't have to suffer as much as you're suffering. | ||
| There's ways for you to reduce your suffering in a real way that don't involve fentanyl, Doesn't involve opioids, doesn't involve the nitrous hit of power or winning at gambling. | ||
| There's an actual way that you can like... | ||
| Well, you know, one of the words for enlightenment and Buddhism translates to extinguish. | ||
| Blow out the candle. | ||
| So it's like permanently blow out the candle of your suffering. | ||
| There's a way to do it! | ||
| You can actually do it in this life. | ||
| That's exciting to me because it's not just a LARP. It's not LARPing. | ||
| Like all the mystics of the world and whatever religion they're in, they're not LARPing. | ||
| They're not playing a role-playing game. | ||
| They're actually, like many people, have figured out a way not to suffer as much. | ||
| And that's exciting to me, man. | ||
| That's fucking cool. | ||
| We as human beings can do that. | ||
| That transcends culture. | ||
| It transcends countries. | ||
| It transcends language. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like the way fish can swim. | ||
| We can reduce suffering in our own lives. | ||
| Animals can't do that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| A squirrel's gonna fucking squirrel. | ||
| A squirrel's gonna fucking squirrel. | ||
| Yeah, man! | ||
| A squirrel's gonna squirrel! | ||
| But a human, a human can like, doesn't have to be, act like a squirrel. | ||
| You know, some humans act like squirrels. | ||
| They're always hiding their fucking nuts. | ||
| You don't have to be like that. | ||
| That's exciting to me. | ||
| And that definitely has nothing to do with politics. | ||
| It's something that connects all of us. | ||
| Like, the most profound asshole you've ever met in your life. | ||
| Is suffering. | ||
| You could be certain of that. | ||
| Certain. | ||
| Certain that they are in hell. | ||
| They're in fucking hell. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's why they're assholes. | ||
| That's why they're assholes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When people are having a great time and life is beautiful, you want everyone around you to feel good. | ||
| It's the suffering. | ||
| And then the pattern that you were talking about earlier is really important. | ||
| That people get addicted to behaving that way because that's the pattern that they know. | ||
| That they've become accustomed to that. | ||
| It's the rollercoaster of life. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Up and down. | ||
| And drinking and driving and gambling your fortune away. | ||
| It's all distractions. | ||
| It's all of it. | ||
| It's all just the great distraction. | ||
| Dude, I watched you. | ||
| Become increasingly stable is the wildest thing to watch like I watch you go through like a weird I don't know what but I just watch you go through all these fit not that when we met you're already pretty like Calm and cool, but not quite as calm and cool as you are now like you started like it was weird watching it happen like you found a way I still get upset sometimes unfortunately me too I always feel bad after I got upset But but I'm way more calm and way more rational about who I am now that I that I used to be and Yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| And it radiates out. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like, you know, it radiates out. | ||
| That's the main thing. | ||
| It's contagious. | ||
| It's like it's the one anti-virus that we actually have. | ||
| Being nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And having a bunch of people around you that feel good. | ||
| Everyone having a good time. | ||
| That's what real community is supposed to be about, right? | ||
| All of us together. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| That's what it's supposed to be about. | ||
| That was the dream. | ||
| That was the idea. | ||
| But I think for everybody, it's like, and you too, like we all do work on ourselves, right? | ||
| So as you're getting older and experiences you have that are negative, you learn from them and positive, you enforce those and you just, you learn to get better at being you, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the thing about podcasts is you're forced to be you in front of the fucking world. | ||
| Oh God. | ||
| And you're on the marijuana. | ||
| Oh marijuana. | ||
| Oh yeah, and you forget you're on marijuana. | ||
| Yeah, you forget you're under the spell of an ancient plant that has manipulated creativity for thousands and thousands of years and is also illegal. | ||
| Which is the dumbest fucking thing on earth. | ||
| That's the dumbest one because it's legal in so many places now. | ||
| But it's still federally illegal. | ||
| You know how many people Biden released? | ||
| Pretty amazing, right? | ||
| When they said that he was going to release all the people that were in federal prison for marijuana possession. | ||
| How many people? | ||
| There's zero. | ||
| What? | ||
| Because there's no one in federal prison for marijuana possession. | ||
| They're all growers. | ||
| They're all dealers. | ||
| They're all people who are doing other shit and also marijuana possession. | ||
| I fell for it hook, line, and speaker. | ||
| I was so excited. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I responded to it. | ||
| I posted an applause meme under his tweet. | ||
| Then it was effective propaganda. | ||
| God damn it, man. | ||
| I can't even imagine how many things I've been... | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Last week, President Joe Biden announced the largest act of clemency in a generation, a mass pardon for people convicted of federal marijuana possession. | ||
| As far as bold acts of mass demency? | ||
| Clemency. | ||
| Go. | ||
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Duh. | |
| It won't lead to many people getting out of prison. | ||
| In fact, it will lead to none. | ||
| Zero people. | ||
| But, okay, let me just say this. | ||
| Let me speak in defense of it. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| No, I don't mean, I'm saying like, I'm thinking of my friends who are like marijuana activists. | ||
| I know you have them too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or even psychedelic advocates. | ||
| When Schick just gets on the ballot, they celebrate. | ||
| Because they're like, okay, we got it on the ballot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think there is something that's exciting, even though that's sad what you told me earlier and just showed. | ||
| There's something really fucking cool... | ||
| That the president has finally at least admitted that, like, this bullshit, people are going to jail for possession of marijuana. | ||
| Now, obviously, there is political reasons for that, and there's all kinds of other dark stuff wrapped up in it, but long-term, good sign. | ||
| Long-term, good sign. | ||
| Right, we just want progress quicker. | ||
| We want progress, and we want it quicker, but that's progress. | ||
| And a lot of people, a lot of people... | ||
| Dedicated their lives to getting just that far with it, you know? | ||
| So I think there's something to be said for it. | ||
| I get it, man. | ||
| Nothing happens. | ||
| It influences the cultural narrative. | ||
| It influences the cultural narrative, and it could potentially cause, like, a shift in views around, like, marijuana consumption long term. | ||
| But, you know, yeah, it's dark that no one's actually getting out, that it was just a fucking... | ||
| It's a ruse. | ||
| A ruse that I fell for, Joe! | ||
| I fell for... | ||
| So many ruses. | ||
| And Twitter will now fact check those ruses. | ||
| Which is hilarious. | ||
| Which is fucking important. | ||
| The people that don't want that, come on kids. | ||
| You've been wanting fact checks for so long. | ||
| Every time someone brings up the, you know, whether it's the election theft or this or that. | ||
| Everybody, come on. | ||
| Fact checks are probably good if the president's not telling the truth. | ||
| And it's really easy to find the real data. | ||
| Probably that's good, kids. | ||
| Listen, I'm fine with Universal, non-biased fact-checking. | ||
| In fact, I would like that for myself. | ||
| I want to know what I'm saying. | ||
| I would love it. | ||
| Imagine if you could scan yourself for how much of your ideas of what's real is bullshit. | ||
| That would be a scary scan, and it would probably hurt when you're like, oh god, I'm 100%. | ||
| It's all bullshit, or 99%. | ||
| Long term, that would be a really good thing for you. | ||
| Like, I'm for, I don't have anything against, like, this is probably not real, because it helps me as someone who gets sucked into everything. | ||
| Like, I go on Reddit conspiracy, and it's like... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'll go to bed being like, maybe there are deep underground military bunkers all across the United States. | ||
| Phyllis has got a weird predatory alien that lives in pits that the janitors fall into. | ||
| I'll wake up being like, I don't really believe that, but I'm just saying. | ||
| I did recently. | ||
| I went down a rabbit hole. | ||
| Deep underground military bonkers? | ||
| No, it wasn't a military one. | ||
| It was a pedophile ring one. | ||
| Pizzagate? | ||
| It was one of those pedophiles. | ||
| Not necessarily that one, but a prominent one. | ||
| We'll talk later. | ||
| Dude, that one freaked me out. | ||
| Those freaked me out. | ||
| Holy fucking shit, man. | ||
| They freaked me out because there's so much in those emails and things that were trans... | ||
| Listen, anyone who is a fan of drugs knows what it's like when you send your shitty coded texts to your friends about drugs. | ||
| Let me be real clear. | ||
| I'm not saying Pizzagate's real. | ||
| Nor am I! And I'm absolutely not saying there's a fucking dungeon in that pizza place that crazy dude went and shot up. | ||
| And I'm not saying the Clintons are responsible for any murders. | ||
| What else are we not saying? | ||
| We're just saying that that is one of... | ||
| There was another case that happened in, like, the 1980s or something. | ||
| There's been a few of those weird cases where, like, you gotta think that throughout history there have been people that have trafficked children. | ||
| Oh my god, when you take any long trip, you ever think about that? | ||
| Yeah, you gotta be careful. | ||
| Any long trip that you take, how many fucking U-Hauls going by, have people locked up in them? | ||
| Probably like statistically one or two. | ||
| Probably like you've been at a rest stop next to a fucking U-Haul that was filled with drugged people waiting to get taken to some God knows where lab. | ||
| I mean, don't they say human trafficking is like one of the number one industries, right? | ||
| In the world? | ||
| Human trafficking is real and it's happening right now. | ||
| And there's been studies on it where they try to figure out what the numbers are, but how do you know who's been trafficked if they're missing? | ||
| I wonder what the actual number is, but apparently it's a terrifying number. | ||
| And that's happening right now. | ||
| People are snatching people. | ||
| There's more slaves today than there were when slavery was legal. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's more slaves in the world today than there were when slavery was legal in America. | ||
| Obviously, there's more people. | ||
| Fucking creepy. | ||
| Obviously, there's more people. | ||
| But this idea that slavery went away when they abolished slavery in 1865, that's not really true. | ||
| It's only true here. | ||
| Jesus fucking Christ, Joe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I've got like 10 more minutes. | ||
| I've got to go do Halloween with my kids. | ||
| I don't want to end on human trafficking. | ||
| But it's kind of a part of what we're talking about. | ||
| That it could be possibly in their fucking wheelhouse to do that to another person. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's people that are that predatory out there. | ||
| That are that fucked up. | ||
| That are that fucked up. | ||
| That there's levels to fucked up, just like there's levels to everything. | ||
| Look, man, I mean, oh God, it's just, we, especially people like us, look, I've said it before on this podcast, I'm quoting Jack Kornfield here, tend to the part of the garden you can touch. | ||
| That's what you can do. | ||
| That's the most effective thing you can do. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| As far as the other stuff goes, it's like, if you can help, If you're a human trafficker right now listening to this, driving your fucking U-Haul across the country filled with freight that you're gonna make, stop! | ||
| Pull over! | ||
| Let him out! | ||
| Just stop! | ||
| Obviously no one's gonna do that, but most people it's like, you're not having to deal with that. | ||
| You're really just having to deal with the fact that when you wake up in a bad mood, you think it makes sense for the rest of the day to be a dick to other people. | ||
| Just because you feel like you're in a bad mood. | ||
| You don't have to do that! | ||
| It sounds so dumb, so dumb, so obvious, but really that is kind of the... | ||
| I heard the Dalai Lama say it. | ||
| Do... | ||
| This is what he said. | ||
| If you can help, help. | ||
| If you can't help, don't hurt. | ||
| That's the EMC squared of it all. | ||
| It's like, that's it. | ||
| That's what it all boils down to. | ||
| Look, maybe you're not in a position right now where you can help anybody, but for sure you don't have to say the shitty thing you're about to say to somebody because you're mad. | ||
| That you could stop. | ||
| Like, you could stop that. | ||
| And that's a big deal, man. | ||
| Like, if you're someone who's been, like, saying mean things to people your whole life, woo! | ||
| You know, they say, and I read this thing, in a yogi's life, for a yogi, the greatest moment is when they were going to react with anger, and they didn't. | ||
| That's a huge moment, man. | ||
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That's a huge moment when you... | |
| Manage to like rein in that fucking thing just once is a big deal, but you know if you keep doing it That's when you start multi traveling through the multiverse because everything around you gets completely different quick You know just that one little thing I speak is like a someone who's had real anger shit and like as do I yeah, yeah It's a it's a thing, you know that I constantly struggle with You get upset about things and you have to keep them under control. | ||
| And it's hard to have a balanced perspective. | ||
| You know, it's it's hard when someone cuts you off in traffic to just let it go and not say fuck you Yeah, it's like he can't even hear you and you're still like fuck you man That was such a douche move. | ||
| Yeah, but you're not gonna change him. | ||
| No like that That's who he is at this moment and he's cutting people off on the highway And you just got to adjust and adapt and don't get into one of those fucking things or people break check each other and get in front of each other It's so scary man You ever see people doing that on the highway and you're like, oh my god, what are you doing? | ||
| Don't fucking do that. | ||
| It's so sad. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| It's so scary. | ||
| Like, you kill a bunch of people. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| I've seen so many videos of people doing that, swerving into another lane, and then the cars flip onto other cars. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was a fucking one in Florida recently where these guys started doing that to each other and they shot each other. | ||
| They shot each other's daughters. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| They just like randomly shot into the car and there was a fucking passenger that was a young girl in both cars. | ||
| Did they kill him? | ||
| No, I think they both live, but one of them is hit real bad and she was in critical condition with a collapsed lung. | ||
| See, that's it. | ||
| It's crazy, dude. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So see what happened there? | ||
| What happened is those people, because they didn't get a hold of the fucking dragon, Because of it, most of the time they got away with it. | ||
| Those, obviously, whoever those people are, that's not the first time they got angry. | ||
| They're rageaholics. | ||
| They're always mad. | ||
| They were getting mad all the time. | ||
| All the signs were there. | ||
| And nobody likes it. | ||
| Like, you know, whenever I've been caught up in that, it's fucking scary. | ||
| It's like dying. | ||
| Like, you become something else for a second. | ||
| You become an animal. | ||
| And you know why it happens on the highway? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because people are so ramped up because it's dangerous. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| So you're going so fast, you have to have your senses on high. | ||
| And then any little thing that comes along, you're already at a seven. | ||
| Right! | ||
| That's what it is, man. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
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Motherfucker! | |
| Yeah, because you're already ramped up. | ||
| Because even though you're being calm, you're driving, you're on alert. | ||
| So when you're on alert, it's a predatory thing. | ||
| It's a thing that's wired into our DNA. If you're on alert, you're worried about something that's going to attack you. | ||
| You're worried about something coming out. | ||
| You're ready, right? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, so we're not designed to drive fucking cars 65 miles an hour next to other cars. | ||
| And everyone's just choosing when they change lanes. | ||
| The amount of freedom you have when you're behind a wheel to be an asshole is extraordinary. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And this is what the fucking internet is doing. | ||
| It's making us all feel like we're driving on the fucking highway all day long. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
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That's what it is. | |
| That's what it is. | ||
| We're ramped up in late all day long. | ||
| We're not even on the highway. | ||
| We're walking around our backyard. | ||
| We're like all fucking contorted. | ||
| Cutting each other off. | ||
| Yeah, just fucking piss. | ||
| Cutting trees off. | ||
| You're just like... | ||
| We're all wrapped up when things are just fine most of the time. | ||
| Most of the time. | ||
| Yeah, most of the time, in the moment, right now, right now, no problem. | ||
| In the moment, most of the time, no problem. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Something's looming, for sure. | ||
| Problems will come. | ||
| But in this moment, everything's okay. | ||
| That's interesting, right? | ||
| Because you realize, like, oh my god, then why do I feel so scared? | ||
| Why do I feel so stressed out? | ||
| When right now, in this moment, pretty good. | ||
| In this moment, pretty good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a strange thing, the management of the mind as you move through life and also the management of all the other shit around you. | ||
| What you consume, how much you freak out about Ukraine, how much you freak out about dirty bombs, how much you freak out about fentanyl, how much you freak out about everything, how much you freak out about every fucking social issue that ever comes up, whether it's the environment or... | ||
| You know, pronouns. | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| There's just a constant stream of shit that we're not used to, just like we're not used to driving fast on the highway. | ||
| Tame your mind. | ||
| Shantideva's Way of the Bodhisattva says, the mind is like a wild elephant. | ||
| Think about that, dude. | ||
| That's a crazy thing. | ||
| You ever see a wild elephant like charging somebody? | ||
| That's your mind. | ||
| But what's cool about that is that that's a powerful thing. | ||
| It is a powerful thing and being able to have more control over it is a great feeling because it makes you feel like you can do a lot of different stuff on top of that. | ||
| If you can, like, as I've matured and gotten better at managing my own brain, I've also become much more productive. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I don't have as much bullshit to weigh me down, you know? | ||
| And I think that if you're running through life making the same mistakes over and over again, whenever I'm doing that, that's when I'm the most unproductive. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because I'm just like, what am I doing? | ||
| What the fuck am I doing with my life? | ||
| Why do I keep screwing up? | ||
| You're always doing cleanup. | ||
| Yeah, you're always doing cleanup. | ||
| You're like someone who's like a cleanup crew for your own fucking destruction. | ||
| You're always following your past around, past decisions around, cleaning up broken glass and old fucking bits of concrete from the last crater you put in your life. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Man, it's exhausting. | ||
| It's exhausting. | ||
| A lot of work. | ||
| It's a lot of work. | ||
| And that's, you know, again, we go back to the human mind doesn't come with a operator manual. | ||
| It's one of the most complex things that anybody could ever use. | ||
| And it doesn't come with directions. | ||
| And you learn from the people that are around you. | ||
| And it's hard to unlearn shit that's stupid. | ||
| But I think as chaotic as this time is, it's the most promising because it's the most interesting in terms of the way ideas get assaulted and reworked and thought up and debated. | ||
| And even though there's suppression of information, there's definitely suppression of free speech in certain platforms, there's still more exchange of thoughts In a tumultuous way where people just want it to end. | ||
| They want one side to be right, the other side... | ||
| Our side's right. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you about fentanyl. | ||
| Fuck you about the border. | ||
| Fuck you about it. | ||
| You're on the wrong side of history. | ||
| Fucking Roe v. | ||
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Wade. | |
| Everybody's just nuts with it, man. | ||
| Just fucking nuts with it. | ||
| And that's what we see around us all the time. | ||
| And we imitate our atmosphere. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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That's what we do. | |
| And the atmosphere imitates us. | ||
| And the atmosphere. | ||
| And we are the atmosphere. | ||
| It's reflective. | ||
| We are the climate. | ||
| That's it, dude. | ||
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It's the climate. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you could be, like, truly, it's like, you know what, the one thing that I don't think anyone's going to get mad at you for, on any side of the political spectrum, is if you stop hurting people. | ||
| Like, truly, that is, like, that's it. | ||
| It's just a little less aggression. | ||
| You can even still hurt people, just hurt them less. | ||
| Stop hurting people. | ||
| Just hurt them less. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| You know, even if that person is yourself. | ||
| Again, I'm sorry, y'all. | ||
| Even if that person is yourself. | ||
| I turn this on myself. | ||
| I'm talking to myself right now. | ||
| All y'all are, I'm sure, a million times more stable and calm than I am. | ||
| But, Joe, I gotta go. | ||
| I gotta go trick-or-treating with the kiddies. | ||
| Duncan, you're the fucking man. | ||
| You're the man! | ||
| I love you to death. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I always love doing these. | ||
| I got a lot out of this one. | ||
| This was a good one. | ||
| Me too, Joe. | ||
| I enjoyed it very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks for having me on, man. | ||
| Happy Halloween. |
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