Aug. 16, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Oh, hello, Seth. | ||
| Hey, Joe. | ||
| Nice to meet you. | ||
| Nice to meet you in person, finally. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| What has this been like for you? | ||
| The Babylon Bee rise and attack and all the chaos. | ||
| When did you guys start? | ||
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2016. 2016. What was the impetus? | |
| The impetus was nobody was doing it. | ||
| There's nobody that's doing satirical comedy from a conservative perspective, I guess. | ||
| Adam Ford's the guy that founded it. | ||
| And it just, I mean, I don't know, there was a void there. | ||
| Nobody was filling that void. | ||
| So he's like, he publishes this site using like a WordPress template and like puts out some articles and they go viral so quick, like within two months he's getting millions of visits. | ||
| So, I don't know, he just had a sense that like somebody, you know, there's so much comedy, like the left dominated comedy. | ||
| They were just dominating it. | ||
| There was no answer to that. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| So everything, like all of these institutions, like, you know, the media, education institutions, corporations, all these things, they're all dominated by the left. | ||
| So comedians, though, I mean, as you know, there's been this opportunity, this big opportunity to kind of like step in and provide comedy that makes jokes that the left isn't willing to make. | ||
| And so they were dominating for a while, but now I think things have shifted because you've got all these rules about what you can and can't joke about. | ||
| And the people who are willing to make jokes that kind of like sidestep those rules, they're, you know, they're meeting a demand. | ||
| Yeah, the meme space though has always been very right-wing in a lot of ways because it's like the thing to make fun of because since the media has been so dominated by the left whenever there's like a narrative that just gets pushed with like that Sort of ignores logic and ignores reality. | ||
| There's a thing that happens where someone goes, yeah, but what about this? | ||
| And that has been the meme space. | ||
| Memes have always been very funny. | ||
| Some of the really funny Trump memes and some of the very funny anti-Biden memes and COVID memes, they were kind of on that vein. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, yeah, when you've got a narrative that's being advanced and it's being pushed on everybody, you know, like, I don't know. | ||
| My personal take on it is that a comedian's job is to, like, poke holes in it, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Try to, like, find its weak spots. | ||
| Try to find, like, the hypocrisy. | ||
| Try to expose whatever absurdity is there. | ||
| Like, the narrative, you can't just buy the narrative as it is. | ||
| You've got to challenge it some way. | ||
| Comedy is a great way to do that. | ||
| So, I don't know, I think comedy that challenges the narrative is key, and it's like, that's what people are gonna find funny, because it's like, you're trying to hold people in positions of power accountable. | ||
| That is punching up, right? | ||
| That's what comedy's supposed to do, we're told, allegedly. | ||
| Comedy's supposed to be funny. | ||
| This whole punching up, you know, when people, cheers, by the way. | ||
| Cheers, salute. | ||
| Cheers, dude. | ||
| My favorite far-right extremist. | ||
| Who's never voted Republican? | ||
| This um the that It's like this whole idea of like punching up or punching down things Things are just supposed to be funny. | ||
| One of the best bits of all time is Sam Kennison's bit about starving people in Africa. | ||
| And it's the most punching down bit in the history of comedy. | ||
| He's literally talking about starving children. | ||
| About him sitting at home, you know, trying to enjoy his dinner, and Sally Fields is on TV asking him to donate money to starving kids. | ||
| And he's like, why don't you? | ||
| You're right there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, it's the whole bit. | ||
| Why don't you send someone like me who says, hey, we just came 5,000 miles with your food. | ||
| It occurred to us that there wouldn't be world hunger if you people would live where the food is. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| You live in a fucking desert! | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's a great bit, and it's totally punching down. | ||
| Well, I mean, so when I said that, when I said, you know, we're supposed to be punching up, I'm saying that's what they say. | ||
| I'm not saying I agree with that. | ||
| They don't even say that, though. | ||
| Comics don't even say that. | ||
| No, comics don't say that. | ||
| A few of them. | ||
| The people who are critical of us say that, you know, because that's, I mean, that's the reason we're in Twitter jail right now. | ||
| Supposedly, we punch down. | ||
| You know, like we made a joke about somebody who's in a marginalized or oppressed class, and it's considered hateful conduct. | ||
| Well, you called Rachel Levine the man of the year. | ||
| Did she win the man of the year? | ||
| That's like, what a rigged game. | ||
| Like when Caitlyn Jenner, she was a woman for six months, and she got woman of the year. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Imagine if you're a woman for 40 fucking years. | ||
| Dave Chappelle has an amazing joke about that. | ||
| But it's just, the whole thing is, these narratives that get pushed, they're... | ||
| They're bizarre in that they force compliance. | ||
| You can't have a nuanced perspective. | ||
| You can't look at it. | ||
| If you can't make fun of this idea that someone could be a woman for six months and then win Women of the Year, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| You have to be able to make fun. | ||
| I mean, so what happened was USA Today did a story about how they named several women of the year and Rachel Levine was one of them. | ||
| So Rachel Levine was named, you know, a transgender health admiral in the Biden administration. | ||
| And they named Rachel Levine one of their picks for women of the year. | ||
| They had several that they picked for women of the year. | ||
| So there were women and then there was, you know, a transgender. | ||
| And we did a joke about how Rachel Levine was our pick for man of the year. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, that was considered misgendering by Twitter's policy, which is hateful conduct under their policy. | ||
| And so unless you delete that, you guys are in Twitter jail. | ||
| Unless and until we click delete on that tweet, yeah, we're in Twitter jail. | ||
| And this is the problem. | ||
| It's like the delete button says, you know, you acknowledge that you engaged in hateful conduct when you click delete. | ||
| And the reason I refuse to click the button is because I don't agree that I engaged in it. | ||
| Well, first of all, I agree with you. | ||
| You know, going back to what you said a moment ago, like... | ||
| Comedy should be funny, right? | ||
| When we're sitting there trying to think of jokes, the thing that should be going through our head is, is this funny? | ||
| That's the question we should be asking ourselves. | ||
| Is this funny? | ||
| Not, is it targeted at somebody who views themselves as marginalized or oppressed and they're going to come after me and try to destroy my life and career? | ||
| Because if I'm trying to think in those terms, or if I'm thinking in the terms of... | ||
| I'm up here. | ||
| They're down here. | ||
| I shouldn't joke about those people. | ||
| They're beneath me. | ||
| That's so condescending to have that thought. | ||
| And if I was in a marginalized community, if I try to put myself in the shoes of somebody who's considered marginalized today, I wouldn't want anybody trying to protect me from jokes like I can't handle it, like my skin is too thin to handle a joke. | ||
| That's condescending, too. | ||
| But it's that thing where my friend Morgan Murphy has kicked off Twitter forever, too. | ||
| Because she got in some sort of a debate. | ||
| I think, I don't remember who it was about, but she was basically, she's a feminist and her problem was that transgender women are entering into these female spaces and sort of dominating them with these almost like male perspectives on female issues. | ||
| And it pisses her off. | ||
| She's like, we have to acknowledge that women are a real thing. | ||
| And then people were like, you know, but this is a real woman. | ||
| And she's like, a man is never a woman. | ||
| And she posted that on Twitter and they said, you know, this is hate speech. | ||
| This is your whatever you're doing. | ||
| You're misgendering. | ||
| And so they banned her for life forever. | ||
| For that, which is crazy. | ||
| The fucking Taliban is still on Twitter. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, there's so many things that you can say. | ||
| And this is where it's weird. | ||
| The content moderation conversation is a big conversation that needs to be had. | ||
| When you're talking about, like, what should these platforms be concerned with when they're talking about content moderation? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, in my mind, and when you think of, like, Section 230 and its provisions and language that's in there, and, you know, like, what they get immunity for when they're engaging in content moderation, it's like, what's in view there is, like, lewd and indecent content, you know, like, things that wouldn't be appropriate in the actual physical town square. | ||
| Death threats and things like that. | ||
| Stuff that's not even lawful speech. | ||
| I mean, obviously, there's a place for taking that kind of stuff down. | ||
| Terrible harassment where you're sending somebody to somebody's address and telling them to go kill that person. | ||
| I mean, there's obviously things that should be moderated. | ||
| But what you see is so much of that stays in place, especially if it's aimed at the targets that are acceptable to harass. | ||
| Yeah, if it's aimed at the right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So much of that remains in place, but then opinions like, okay, you see a family-friendly drag show that kids are tipping these dancers and stuff like that, and you call that grooming behavior. | ||
| Now all of a sudden you're banned for that. | ||
| Now the family-friendly drag show isn't considered lewd and indecent. | ||
| That's not moderated. | ||
| It's the criticism of it that gets moderated. | ||
| That's a little wild. | ||
| But yeah, that's the forced conformity. | ||
| It's the forced affirmation. | ||
| This idea, why... | ||
| Twitter can have whatever policy they want for content moderation. | ||
| Delete my tweet if you don't like it. | ||
| Take it down. | ||
| They can delete it. | ||
| Why do I have to delete it and say that I acknowledge that I engage in hateful conduct? | ||
| Doesn't that go like a step beyond just content moderation or censorship? | ||
| I think their idea is that if you delete it, they're giving you the power to come back. | ||
| Like, just follow the rules and you can come back and they're giving you a doorway instead of just banning you forever. | ||
| They're saying, look, we have an option for you to come back. | ||
| I mean, but they could easily do that. | ||
| They could delete the tweet and say, just don't do it again. | ||
| Or they'd give me a warning and say, okay, we've deleted your tweet. | ||
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Why don't you guys just delete it? | |
| It's already up. | ||
| You already said what you wanted to say. | ||
| And this way you could say more shit now. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't think we would last much. | ||
| I think it'd be only a matter of time before we had another one. | ||
| Or a permanent suspension or something like that. | ||
| Well, did you see what happened with Alex Berenson? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got reinstated. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's kind of a new... | ||
| He won in court. | ||
| That's a new precedent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fascinating because he was correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now when you look at the data... | ||
| Because basically what he was saying has all been proven in terms of studies and scientific whatever data that has been accumulated over the course of the last two years on COVID vaccines and lockdowns and all these different things. | ||
| He was correct. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it's been found out now that the White House actively contacted Twitter and tried to get him banned. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now he's going to sue the White House. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is wild. | ||
| Which is one of the arguments that people on the right make that these are not private companies just engaging in regular – these are like – they become state actors. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When you have the government behind them saying, okay, it would be unconstitutional for us to block this speech ourselves, but we can outsource it to this privately owned third party and they can do it. | ||
| They can't do that. | ||
| That's still considered government censorship. | ||
| That's where it becomes like a First Amendment issue beyond just saying these are private companies that can do whatever they want. | ||
| Right, like what happened with the Hunter Biden laptop thing. | ||
| That is an egregious assault on reality. | ||
| We deserve to have all the information at our disposal in terms of what is actually going on, what has been done, is there evidence of corruption? | ||
| And if there's evidence of corruption and it's censored by a company that is obviously not just in contact With the current administration and the previous Democratic Party. | ||
| But also, what they're doing is working with them. | ||
| They're doing their bidding. | ||
| And that's where it gets really weird, because it is so biased in one perspective. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they're not just objectively disseminating information based on whether or not it's been proven to be true. | ||
| No, they're suppressing information that's true because it fucks with what their desired result was, get Trump out of office. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that collusion between the government and these private companies, ultimately that's going to end up coming back to bite them because they're not going to be able to moderate. | ||
| There's going to be some kind of pushback on that. | ||
| There's going to be some kind of legal change or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean like to answer more directly that question like why we haven't deleted that joke. | ||
| We haven't tweeted since March. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We have 1.5 million followers. | ||
| We can't reach on Twitter. | ||
| We haven't tweeted since March. | ||
| Why not just delete the joke? | ||
| Well, for one thing I said we wouldn't but I mean the main reason is because I don't believe... | ||
| That the truth is hate speech. | ||
| I don't want to play along with this game that like, you know, they bake. | ||
| If you go to the hateful conduct policy on Twitter's website, you pull up the hateful conduct policy, it starts out with like this ringing tribute to free expression, right? | ||
| They say that Twitter is supposed to be a platform for free expression without barriers. | ||
| Those are exact words. | ||
| They say without barriers. | ||
| And then you like scroll down in the hateful conduct policy and it's talking about like misgendering and dead naming and all these things. | ||
| The deadnaming one's wild. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| I mean, you've got to go back and rewrite history. | ||
| Bruce Jenner won the Olympics. | ||
| Like, if you say Bruce Jenner, that's deadnaming. | ||
| Well, now, if you go to the Wikipedia page about that, it probably says Caitlyn, right? | ||
| It says Caitlyn won it. | ||
| You've got to go back and rewrite that. | ||
| But I just don't want to go along with a system where, you know, we're... | ||
| They say on what they offer you as a platform for free expression. | ||
| But then in reality, and it's supposed to be without barriers, but then in reality, they have these ideological terms that you have to agree to. | ||
| And so they're making it, especially from like a comedian's perspective, you know, when I talk about like poking holes in the popular narrative, they're rigging the system so you can only affirm the narrative. | ||
| You have to affirm it. | ||
| Like we try to poke, we try to speak a truth there. | ||
| We try to basically say, hey, look, this is a male person. | ||
| And if you consult your dictionary today, it might change tomorrow. | ||
| But if you consult your dictionary today, a man is an adult human male. | ||
| This joke has a grain of truth to it, and you're not allowed to say that on Twitter? | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I feel like it's a protest. | ||
| It's like, look, I think you should be able to say that two and two make four, and you shouldn't fake into your terms that two and two make five, and you have to say that, or else you can't tweet on this platform. | ||
| It's like, I don't want to be on a platform like that. | ||
| I'd rather stand up and say, you know, look, we're not going along with that. | ||
| And did you guys have the same post on Instagram? | ||
| We did, yeah. | ||
| Didn't hit us on Instagram. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And Facebook? | ||
| Yeah, we didn't get hit on Facebook for that one either. | ||
| It's just Twitter. | ||
| So is Twitter the worst with that stuff then? | ||
| No. | ||
| Twitter's the one that's forcing us to delete something ourselves. | ||
| I mean, like, Instagram is, you know, Instagram, Facebook, we've had plenty of issues with them with, like, getting flagged for, like, inciting violence with a stupid joke or misinformation. | ||
| What did you incite violence with? | ||
| What was the joke? | ||
| We did a joke about how during Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation hearings, we did a Monty Python joke about how she was being compared to a duck to determine whether or not she was a witch. | ||
| And then the caption said, like, we must burn her. | ||
| And that was like, we said we must burn her. | ||
| So like the automated system flagged that as like a threat. | ||
| And then we appealed it and somebody manually reviewed it and upheld the ruling that it was incitement to violence. | ||
| We're like, this is a Monty Python joke. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| But we've had that stuff happen on all those. | ||
| It happens everywhere. | ||
| It's just Twitter is the one that's like going a step beyond and saying you have to acknowledge you did something wrong and delete this and that's where it's like a little bit different. | ||
| I think you guys getting banned from Twitter was one of the influences that led Elon to want to purchase Twitter. | ||
| He hasn't talked about it publicly, but I know he had a real issue with it. | ||
| I mean, I think it's one of them, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't say, and I've never taken credit for it, like, oh, we are the reason that Musk... | ||
| Because some people have said that, you know, like, oh, he did this to save the Babylon Bee. | ||
| I don't think Elon Musk is putting tens of billions of dollars on the line to try to save the Babylon Bee. | ||
| But I think he's genuinely concerned about speech. | ||
| You know, he's called Twitter the de facto town square. | ||
| I think he's right. | ||
| I mean, I think these platforms are the town square. | ||
| And if free speech doesn't exist in the town square, then... | ||
| Something's got to be done about that. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I think that it factored in. | ||
| It's one of those things. | ||
| It's like, okay, the Babylon Bee can't even make jokes on this platform. | ||
| Like, this is not a free speech platform. | ||
| Well, it's not as simple as a private company anymore. | ||
| It used to be it's a private company. | ||
| They have their own rules. | ||
| But when it's the number one platform for distributing information by average citizens, which is what it is, it's a little bigger than that. | ||
| And I don't know what the response to that is. | ||
| I don't think the response to that is, let's get the government involved and regulate it. | ||
| But I think there's a responsibility that they have, and this is what Elon believes, that they have a responsibility to... | ||
| He's a free speech absolutist. | ||
| He said, if this is what you guys are, because it is what they are, they are the town square, you have a responsibility to allow everyone to communicate. | ||
| Otherwise, you create this divisive... | ||
| Environment where it just divides the country even further without the ability to discuss things like Without the ability for people to criticize that post that you guys made about Rachel Levine or Laugh about it or make other memes or all these different things without that ability Then you're gonna get more people angry more people to feel isolated disenfranchised and it creates A problem that we already have, it accelerates. | ||
| It throws gasoline on a problem we already have. | ||
| And that problem is this country is divided in a lot of ways. | ||
| And it's divided in a lot of ways because of the narratives that the media pushes, the fact that the vast majority of mainstream news and media is leaning to the left, and the ones that are on the right It's like, what do they have? | ||
| They had OAN News and Newsmax, and they're just not that effective. | ||
| They're just too goofy. | ||
| And so they were too easily criticized. | ||
| They're goofy. | ||
| The people that were on there were not the best representations. | ||
| We're not talking about Ben Shapiro. | ||
| We're not talking about intelligent right-wing pundits. | ||
| Matt Walsh, these guys who are intelligent right-wing pundits and influencers. | ||
| That's not what it was. | ||
| These guys were goofy. | ||
| And, you know, it's easy to criticize. | ||
| It's easy to say, oh, we need to shut that down. | ||
| That's the worst thing you can do for everybody. | ||
| The worst thing you do for everybody is to make an echo chamber. | ||
| And that's essentially what their policies are doing. | ||
| Well, and you end up with echo chambers on both sides. | ||
| Because you have the people who leave and go to, like, another platform... | ||
| They're just talking amongst themselves because nobody left of center came with them. | ||
| They're not interested in a free speech platform where conservatives can speak freely and give their opinions and say the word groomer. | ||
| They don't want to be on a platform where that's allowed. | ||
| Now, if they ban groomer? | ||
| Yeah, they banned it. | ||
| Who's banned it? | ||
| All the all the big tech companies in concert all at the same time it started I think it started on reddit so like reddit stopped allowing you to say call this behavior grooming and the other ones kind of didn't we discuss this Jamie was it it's not is it in certain rooms they did they've banned the term groomer because what about Heterosexual groomers what about men who go after like really young girls and befriend them and groom them because that's real yeah, | ||
| that's real and it's always been disgusting well, it's all real but I mean the The term itself is now designated a slur. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| I just don't understand why you would throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| The band OK Groomer Guy, James... | ||
| Oh, that's James Lindsay. | ||
| Twitter has a ban on calling transgender people groomers. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But what about groomers that are transgender? | ||
| What if they're real? | ||
| I mean, there are people that groom people. | ||
| That's a thing. | ||
| Well, okay, so if we're talking about like a family-friendly drag show, right? | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| How do those terms even work together? | ||
| You know, it's a family friendly porn theater. | ||
| But it's not a transgender person that's performing. | ||
| It's usually like a drag queen is typically a gay man who's dressed as a woman. | ||
| He's not necessarily transgender. | ||
| He doesn't identify as a woman. | ||
| He's just that's the show is to dress like a woman. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what drag is. | ||
| It's not it's not transgender. | ||
| Yeah, but sometimes they are. | ||
| Sometimes they do consider themselves. | ||
| Sometimes they do. | ||
| But how would you know? | ||
| If you're just watching this on Twitter and you see it and you say, I think that's grooming, you're not necessarily targeting a transgender person. | ||
| You don't even know if they're transgender. | ||
| For all you know, it's a straight man who's been hired to do this drag performance. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| But it seems like a piece of duct tape over a leaky dam to say that you have to ban the word groomer. | ||
| It seems so crazy. | ||
| I just can't, because that term, to not ever use that term for trans people, but what about a trans person that is engaging in grooming behavior? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Look, I'm sure that the vast majority of trans people do not support pedophilia, right? | ||
| So if someone is a pedophile but also trans, wouldn't it behoove them, wouldn't it help their cause to say, like, this is not good, this is bad, this is not what we want. | ||
| We don't want people like this connected with us. | ||
| Yeah, you'd think so. | ||
| Yeah, you would think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, as far as, like, taking it to the point where you ban this language, it's not the answer. | ||
| I think the answer is, okay, look, you know, if there's a huge swath of the population who has a problem with this behavior, and look, I can speak for myself. | ||
| I can tell you why I think, when I use the word groomer, if I use it in a tweet, I'm referring to behavior, okay? | ||
| I'm like, it's a criticism about somebody's behavior around kids, right? | ||
| It has nothing to do with that person's identity or who they sleep with or the color of their skin. | ||
| It's not targeted at a person for their identity. | ||
| And we conflate these things. | ||
| I think so much with the left's kind of heavy-handed censorship, they do a lot of this conflating where they take criticism of behaviors and treat it as criticism of identities and people. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not the same thing. | ||
| And you have to be allowed to criticize behavior because there genuinely is, like you said, real bad behavior that actually harms people and we're not allowed to talk about it. | ||
| Well, that's the problem also when they have this sort of blanket free pass for people who are trans where you're finding people that are... | ||
| Sexual abusers with a long history of being sexual abusers, like people that have literally been incarcerated for various sexual offenses, sexual assault, and these people are going into women's locker rooms and saying that they're trans now and pulling their dicks out. | ||
| And, you know, there are a lot of people that just genuinely are transgender people that would like to use a woman's locker room. | ||
| But there's also people that are, they're sick. | ||
| There's something wrong with them. | ||
| And these people do harass women and sexually assault women, and you're giving them access to women in a very vulnerable place where there's no protection for them at all. | ||
| And that was, you know, that LA case where the massage was the massage place? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was the case. | ||
| That person had a history. | ||
| Pull up that story. | ||
| They were just exposing themselves, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think there was a mother in there with like a teenage daughter. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, and it was in LA, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Was it Envy massage, Paul, or is that what it's called? | ||
| But that person who did it had a record. | ||
| I mean, it was pretty clear that this person had already engaged in some seriously problematic behavior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, but even if they haven't in a context like that, where you've got, like, a biologically male person in a women's space like that, and a mother's in there with her child, it's like, you know, regardless of how that person identifies, it's not an attack on them to say, hey, look, you know, like, I don't want my daughter seeing a naked man's body in the locker room. | ||
| And so that's, you know... | ||
| It's a tough conversation. | ||
| When you're talking about, like, that person may not be an offender of some kind. | ||
| They may not be trying to put anyone in an uncomfortable situation. | ||
| But, you know, you still have the concerns. | ||
| It's the same thing, like, with sports, too. | ||
| Well, some people might not be, but some people definitely are. | ||
| And some people have a history of it. | ||
| Indecent exposure charges filed against trans women over LA spy incident. | ||
| Okay, so now this is 2021, but the person did something in the past. | ||
| They have a history of this. | ||
| See if we can find that. | ||
| This person, I'm 99% sure. | ||
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| Police said she has a criminal history. | ||
| Yeah, she's a registered sex offender. | ||
| Okay, Marager has been a registered sex offender since 2006. So that's 16 fucking years of being a registered sex offender as a result of convictions for indecent exposure in 2002 and 2003. So 20 fucking years. | ||
| This is crazy because you're giving someone who is a sex offender access to women where they can do the exact same thing where they were arrested for and now they're celebrated and you're going to have people protest for them. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| Waiting trial on seven counts of indecent exposure that were first filed in 2019, according to court records. | ||
| After the video alleging someone exposed himself went viral, the spa became the target of right-wing demonstrations. | ||
| Well, I bet a lot of those people weren't right-wing. | ||
| They're probably just fucking parents, which many chided as transphobic. | ||
| Many did. | ||
| Oh, you got sources? | ||
| Many. | ||
| Look how they write these things. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| LA Times. | ||
| fucking of course became the target of right-wing demonstrations with many childers transphobic after extremist groups such as Proud Boys see what they're doing here They're shitting the punch bowl by saying transphobic, extremist groups, Proud Boys. | ||
| They're connecting them all together. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The recording which surfaced in late June showed an irate customer arguing with employees after she said she had seen a customer with a penis in an area that's reserved for women. | ||
| The Wilshire Boulevard facility has some gender separated areas with changing rooms and jacuzzis. | ||
| Now, what they'll try to do, and this is the thing, it all goes back to this punching down conversation with comedy. | ||
| It's like, we can't joke about this situation. | ||
| You can't joke about it because it'll be perceived as the target of the joke is a marginalized person. | ||
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Right. | |
| In truth. | ||
| And this is the truth. | ||
| This is the reality. | ||
| And we all need to start recognizing it. | ||
| The people that you're not allowed to joke about or else you lose your career, you get canceled, you get banned from the public square. | ||
| Those people have tremendous amounts of power. | ||
| They have tremendous... | ||
| It's scary power, honestly. | ||
| If you can't even joke about somebody or you get penalized and punished and you could potentially lose your job, then who's marginalized? | ||
| Who's oppressed? | ||
| Like, who's on the outside there? | ||
| Who's having to, like... | ||
| think and feel and silence themselves and like do the tyrants work for him by doing by engaging in self-censorship you actually have a situation where it's the exact opposite of what they say the people who are have to have a problem with this are the ones who in the people who are supposedly in the position of power are the ones who are most vulnerable and the ones who are most likely to have all the powers that be destroying their lives I think we're in the middle of the fog of war | ||
| It's like a fog of war in this culture war and there's so much chaos going on and so many people are trying to score a victory for their perspective and their ideology that they're missing the big picture on this. | ||
| That free speech and freedom of speech and free expression have always been very important for sorting out what's right and what's wrong. | ||
| And it's not good for anybody when you silence that. | ||
| If someone makes a joke on Twitter, like if you guys did something that was truly offensive, you would lose audience members. | ||
| Some people who supported you would not support you anymore. | ||
| Happens with every joke. | ||
| But that's supposed to be the free market. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's supposed to be the free market of ideas. | ||
| Like if your ideas suck, people go, oh, I don't like them. | ||
| And they can mute you too, by the way. | ||
| If we put out jokes that you don't like and they're offending you, you can block me. | ||
| You can mute me. | ||
| The platforms have given you the power to decide who you listen to. | ||
| Why do you have to de-platform me and take me down? | ||
| They'll say that you're encouraging harassment. | ||
| And so it's not just you. | ||
| This is the escape clause, right? | ||
| Not just you, but by doing what you're doing, you're encouraging others to attack, which is crazy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's considered harmful. | ||
| Well, I would take issue with that idea, too. | ||
| I would say that, you know, so much of like this effort, I think a lot of what these policies come down to is safety. | ||
| You know, you're saying it would be harassment. | ||
| It would be intimidation. | ||
| It would be a call to violence or people could perceive it as a call to violence. | ||
| And these are, you know, these people might get attacked. | ||
| They might face some kind of, you know. | ||
| physical intimidation in the streets as a result of whatever so it's a it comes back to safety in it and I don't know I in my in my view in my thinking you know I think it's healthy to be willing to laugh at yourself I think it's healthy to be exposed to ideas that challenge you even harsh criticism I think it's healthy to be exposed to harsh criticism jokes at your expense all of these things like build character in a person | ||
| We have all of these methods in place now to insulate people and keep them safe from ideas that might hurt them or jokes that might offend them. | ||
| Is that really better for people? | ||
| There was an interesting study that was done. | ||
| Well, let me push back on that because the problem with the transgender thing is, this is the elephant in the room, is that It's easy to make fun of a very obvious male that wants to be a woman. | ||
| If you attack them, or I shouldn't say attack, if you mock them and belittle them, there's nothing they can do that turns them into the physical form of a female. | ||
| If Rachel Levine was attacked in jokes, or someone criticized her or mocked her in jokes, It's not like fat shaming, right? | ||
| There's an argument like fat shaming, like the reason why you're upset is because you've eaten yourself into this position. | ||
| This is your own doing, and you can actually not eat yourself out of it. | ||
| You can exercise your way out of it, and many, many, many people have done that, where they've actually become smaller again. | ||
| It's almost the same argument you would say about people who are handicapped. | ||
| Like, if you mock a handicapped person, they're not going to go, you know what, I shouldn't be handicapped anymore. | ||
| This criticism is really getting me to the point where I'm going to be mobile. | ||
| They can't do anything about it, right? | ||
| So she can't necessarily do anything about her physical appearance, and, you know, that's the argument. | ||
| But it's a slippery slope. | ||
| I'm just speaking in general terms about this idea that, like, Doing everything that you can in your power to moderate speech to keep people safe from ideas or jokes that might hurt them is not necessarily helping them. | ||
| In fact, I think it can be harmful. | ||
| I was going to mention a study that was done by this nonprofit group in New York. | ||
| And they were taking a look at the playgrounds in New York. | ||
| And they were studying like whether or not they were trying to answer the question whether or not the playgrounds have been made too safe. | ||
| And they actually determined that they had. | ||
| It was this weird thing, like, all these playgrounds had been, like, redone so that they had really cushy, soft flooring, and you couldn't really fall from any heights or get hurt on these playgrounds. | ||
| And what they found was that it was actually teaching kids that, like, falling on the ground doesn't hurt you. | ||
| And, like, that doesn't help kids. | ||
| You know, they learn on the playground that they don't get hurt when they fall, and then they go climb a tree over a sidewalk and fall, and it does hurt, and it shocks them, and they're learning the hard way. | ||
| You know, now they've got a broken arm. | ||
| I think that some of the efforts, it's one of these things that's just like a self-defeating thing. | ||
| You know, you try to create a safe space, a safe environment. | ||
| In some cases, I think you actually do more harm because you're protecting people from what? | ||
| You know, like I said before, I mean, like being the target of a joke, like... | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't want anybody telling me that, like, oh, you can't joke about me because you might hurt me. | ||
| Like, I think that's offensive. | ||
| That's more offensive than any joke you could tell to my face. | ||
| Well, the other argument in your case with the Rachel Levine thing is that we're being forced to say something that some people don't agree with. | ||
| This is not like they're forcing this opinion as fact. | ||
| And there's a narrative that a transgender person is a woman. | ||
| And a lot of people support that, but a lot of people don't support that. | ||
| So there's a debate. | ||
| There should be a debate. | ||
| There's not a debate. | ||
| You can't have a debate. | ||
| And if you want to say that that's the woman of the year, well then it accelerates the debate. | ||
| Because you're not, you're like, you're kinging your checker piece, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're doing something where you're not just saying that this is... | ||
| A woman. | ||
| But this is the best woman we have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is kind of wild. | ||
| That is kind of wild. | ||
| That a male that becomes a female or becomes a woman is the best woman we have. | ||
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Right. | |
| How offensive is that to women? | ||
| It's almost like you better not criticize. | ||
| We're going to go even further and further and further. | ||
| And we're going to take this to this crazy place where these are the best women we have. | ||
| There's just such a tremendous distinction and difference between somebody going on Twitter and tweeting something like, all trans people should die. | ||
| Someone's going to take that clip out of context, by the way, and say that I said that. | ||
| I'm sure they are. | ||
| But if somebody went on Twitter and said that, I think that's wrong. | ||
| You shouldn't say that. | ||
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Of course. | |
| You shouldn't say that about everybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Every single group. | ||
| But if you target some group out and say these people deserve to die, they should be put in gas chambers or something like that, right? | ||
| That's horrible. | ||
| But if you make a joke, a motorcyclist identifies as bicyclist and sets world record. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You're making a joke to make a point. | ||
| It's a funny joke. | ||
| It's a funny joke. | ||
| It went viral. | ||
| It got shared millions of times. | ||
| And we're criticized for being, like, antagonistic towards these communities by making jokes like that. | ||
| And it's not the same thing as saying, like, it's not okay to be trans. | ||
| What it's saying is... | ||
| It's not fair to the bicyclists to have a motorcyclist competing against them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so what you're doing is... | ||
| Are you comparing that to transgender athletes versus biological females? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Which most people do. | ||
| Which is a valid point. | ||
| Most logical people. | ||
| It's a valid point that's not rooted in hate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At all. | ||
| In fact, it's rooted in concern and compassion. | ||
| When you try to say that this is a hateful position, I turn it around and I say, well, look, what about women? | ||
| Who's showing compassion and concern? | ||
| Who's trying to protect women and keep their sports their sports? | ||
| Well, not only that, what is the percentage of people that are upsetting the far larger percentage that are biological females that are competing against this person to protect one person's feelings by affirming them as a woman? | ||
| You're making all these other people victims of unfair athletic events, because that's what it is. | ||
| Somebody just sent me this study. | ||
| They've done studies on the performance of various people, whether it's trans people or not. | ||
| Someone just sent me this. | ||
| I'm going to send it to you, Jamie. | ||
| There's clearly some kind of advantage for some sports. | ||
| And to say that any differently after you see what happens with Leah Thomas or Whoever the bicycle is and some other athletes that have started to dominate in those spaces. | ||
| It freaks biological females out. | ||
| Because if you're a male and you've had testosterone pumping through your body most of your life, all of your life, until like a couple of years ago, and then you transition, that's not the same as being someone who's never gone through puberty. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| And that's why the swimming organization changed the threshold for transgender athletes, people that have not transitioned after 13 or 12. So avoiding males going through puberty, where it would give the minimal amount of biological advantage. | ||
| When people talk about outliers, they always want to talk about outliers. | ||
| They always want to talk about someone who is like the elite of the elite of female athletes, the freak of the freaks. | ||
| There's a giant difference between the elite and the elite of females and the elite and the elite of males. | ||
| Like, if you're gonna do this thing where you're going to the far ends of the spectrum, you gotta go all the way. | ||
| Because I don't give a fuck what the elite of the elite female boxer is. | ||
| She will never be Mike Tyson. | ||
| Mike Tyson in his prime was the elite of males at the far end of masculine. | ||
| The elite of females at the far end of feminine. | ||
| We have to look at the full spectrum. | ||
| The elite of females, the full end, can't compete with non-elite males. | ||
| It's a giant difference. | ||
| And when you add in someone who's the elite of males, you get a chance to see the actual spectrum. | ||
| Didn't we have a boys team beat the US women's soccer team? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Listen, you can take ten high school boys in this country That are competing in track and field, and they will be the greatest female athletes of all time. | ||
| These aren't Olympians. | ||
| These aren't world-class runners that are in the world championships. | ||
| These are just five to ten high school boys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not fair, and that's all we're saying. | ||
| It doesn't mean that you're not a woman. | ||
| It doesn't mean I won't call you a her. | ||
| It doesn't mean I won't say whatever name you want, because I will. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I want you to be happy. | ||
| The crazy thing is when women... | ||
| If you say your name is no longer, it's Sethina now, and you want to be a woman and you really believe it, I'm like, okay, I don't give a fuck, dude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think it's crazy, though, when women defend it. | ||
| And I just saw a woman on Twitter the other day, she was saying, look, I'm 6'4 and 240 pounds. | ||
| I would destroy other women in rugby. | ||
| I guess she's, you know, in a country where rugby's popular. | ||
| She wouldn't destroy a 180-pound man. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| No, I think she was 6'2". | ||
| She's 6'2". | ||
| She's not 6'4". | ||
| 6'2", 240. And saying that she would dominate these women, I'm like, well, okay. | ||
| I mean, anybody who has a size advantage in contact sports, whether it's men against men or women against women, you have a size advantage, that's an advantage. | ||
| It's literally what I just said. | ||
| It's the outlier. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's the outlier. | ||
| And she's using herself as an example of that. | ||
| She's probably just humble bragging. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how you use that as a justification for saying, well, therefore, it follows that we should allow men to come into women's sports and dominate them all, including the 6'2", 240 women. | ||
| They're making a rational argument. | ||
| They just haven't played it out to the end. | ||
| The rational argument is that there are outliers in female spaces. | ||
| There's outliers. | ||
| There's athletic outliers. | ||
| There's outliers in everything. | ||
| Intelligence, hand-eye coordination. | ||
| There's outliers. | ||
| But there's outliers in males that far exceed the outliers of females. | ||
| Kamala Harris just said, we all have the same capacity. | ||
| Did you see her say that? | ||
| We all have the same capacity. | ||
| We just haven't realized it because, you know, equity. | ||
| To anything she says, unless I'm mocking. | ||
| Was she talking about economics or was she talking about life success? | ||
| She was talking about, yeah, life success, opportunity. | ||
| You know, we don't all start on equal footing, but we all have the same capacity. | ||
| So if we put ourselves on equal footing, we'll all reach the same result. | ||
| It'll be equity. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't work. | ||
| But what we should do is make it so that it's not so hard for people who live in disenfranchised communities. | ||
| That's a real concern that we're not addressing. | ||
| And I think if you wanted to really give people the best chance in life, don't give them a fucked up childhood. | ||
| Figure out a way to somehow or another revive communities and give them a sustainable future where you don't have a long history of gang violence and crime and drug sales and violence. | ||
| We cannot deny that it's a big difference growing up in the suburbs of, you know, fucking the Hamptons versus growing up in Baltimore. | ||
| It's a fucking giant difference. | ||
| It's a huge difference, but you don't level the playing field by, like, if someone can't see over the fence... | ||
| You don't level the playing field by cutting out the legs of the person who can, so that they both can't see. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| You're talking about a funny meme. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a great meme. | ||
| It is a good meme. | ||
| But we can do the other thing and make... | ||
| This is what I always say about America. | ||
| Wouldn't it be better if we had less losers? | ||
| Right? | ||
| It'd be better for everybody. | ||
| Well, what's the best way to get less losers? | ||
| The best way to get less losers is to help people get the fuck out of where they're at. | ||
| And there's some people that just got a shit roll of the dice. | ||
| And a lot of conservative people don't want to recognize that. | ||
| They don't want to talk about that. | ||
| There's this narrative, this pull yourself up by your bootstraps. | ||
| There's people that don't have fucking shoes. | ||
| There's these people that they got a terrible roll of the dice and by the time they're working and integrated into a system, they're 18 years old or whatever they are, that's 18 years of a fucked life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that can be fixed. | ||
| That can be fixed just like we have enough money to send 40 billion dollars to Ukraine and 87,000 new IRS agents. | ||
| You know what else we have money for? | ||
| We have money to revitalize cities that are fucked. | ||
| And we've never done it. | ||
| We ignore it. | ||
| But should that be done by the government or privately? | ||
| And I would think that, you know, with a lot of conservatives who are often criticized for that mentality that, oh yeah, equality is just making sure everybody has the same opportunity. | ||
| Nobody needs a leg up. | ||
| These people should pull them up by their bootstraps. | ||
| I do think that people, generally speaking, Christian conservatives are very compassionate and do a lot of charity work. | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| A ton of charity work. | ||
| And so they're willing to put their own time volunteering and donating money towards causes that help with those things. | ||
| You know, you look at like crisis pregnancy centers, for example, which Elizabeth Warren wants to shut down for some reason. | ||
| I mean, these are helping women in need and she wants to shut them down. | ||
| These are people who are volunteering their time, their resources, their money to help people who are in a tough spot. | ||
| And it's completely charity. | ||
| It's kindness. | ||
| It's love and compassion. | ||
| But it's always painted with a brush of, oh yeah, you're on your own. | ||
| We only care about children before they're born, not after they're born. | ||
| But I do think, honestly, an argument can be made that conservative Christians are the most charitable people there are. | ||
| They're very charitable people. | ||
| I think the problem with someone like Elizabeth Warren's idea that you should shut down a place that has an ideology that millions and millions of people believe in, that life is sacred, and that this is somehow an assault on a woman's right to choose whatever her decision may be. | ||
| They're worried about other influencers. | ||
| They're worried about pressure. | ||
| You're not even allowing for choice. | ||
| If you shut down the alternative, what's the choice? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm pretty absolute when it comes to that. | ||
| Not just free speech amongst every subject. | ||
| Not just amongst a woman's right to choose or abortion laws. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this idea that you can't have someone who is a Christian who talks to another person who's a Christian and maybe they were on the fence about something and you convince them to have a child and it's the best decision they have ever made in their life and they love their kids so much they couldn't imagine they were thinking about getting an abortion. | ||
| That's real, too. | ||
| That's real, too. | ||
| There's also women who have been raped, who should not have to fucking carry some rapist baby. | ||
| There's women who have been sexually assaulted before the age of 14. Hold on, though. | ||
| Don't stop me. | ||
| That's real, too. | ||
| And we all have to agree. | ||
| We have to agree on both of those things. | ||
| There are also, though, I'm not going to argue with you on that point, but I will say there are people who have been born of rape and are alive right now and are pro-life. | ||
| And they go around speaking, talking about how I had a right to live. | ||
| And they will go out there and make an argument, a pro-life case. | ||
| And they're born of a rape. | ||
| You don't have a right to tell a 14-year-old girl she has to carry a rapist baby. | ||
| I'm just saying that. | ||
| I'm just saying that's real, too. | ||
| Do you understand what you're saying? | ||
| Yeah, I understand what you're saying. | ||
| Do you understand what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, you don't have the right to tell my 14-year-old daughter she has to carry her rapist baby. | ||
| You understand that? | ||
| To look that woman in the eye who was the born of a rape. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| That's a 14-year-old child. | ||
| I know. | ||
| If a 14-year-old child gets raped, you say that they have to carry that baby? | ||
| I don't think two wrongs make a right. | ||
| I don't think murder is an answer to... | ||
| I don't think murder fixes a rape. | ||
| What if we're talking about an abortion when the fetus, literally, it's like six weeks, four weeks, three days. | ||
| What if she just turned positive, just now? | ||
| Positive for pregnancy? | ||
| Well, I just disagree. | ||
| What if it just happened today? | ||
| You can, like, draw a line on when, like, once life has begun, I don't think you draw lines. | ||
| At the very moment. | ||
| Like, if you can, if someone came inside of someone, and they cracked the egg, and then, bam, they took plan B, you shouldn't do that. | ||
| Well, I mean, if it's preventing the pregnancy from occurring, that's different. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's an abortion. | ||
| That's what Plan B is. | ||
| It makes your body abort the conceived pregnancy. | ||
| That's what it does. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| I mean, I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Let's Google it. | ||
| I know that women used to do something similar. | ||
| They would take like a shit ton of birth control pills. | ||
| If it prevents the conception, it's different than if it's terminating. | ||
| No, no, it's terminating. | ||
| I'm 90% sure it's terminating. | ||
| I think it's after conception. | ||
| That's the whole idea of it. | ||
| That's why it's plan B. Plan A is don't get pregnant. | ||
| All I'm saying is it's real. | ||
| What you're saying is real, and those are tough situations. | ||
| It's also real that sometimes these babies are born, and they grow up to be real people with feelings. | ||
| They're alive, they're humans, and they're pro-life. | ||
| Can we click on that so I get the full sentence? | ||
| Because it seems like it keeps going. | ||
| Alright, here it is. | ||
| The morning after pill is a type of emergency birth control contraception. | ||
| Emergency contraception is used to prevent pregnancy for women who've had unprotected sex or whose birth control method has failed. | ||
| The morning after pill is intended for backup contraception only not as a primary method of birth control. | ||
| Morning after pills contain either levonogestral Or eulipristal acetate. | ||
| Levonorgestrol. | ||
| You want to try it? | ||
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Try that. | |
| Try that word. | ||
| Levonorgestrol. | ||
| Levonorgestrol. | ||
| Is available over-the-counter without a prescription, but go to the part where we're reading in the synopsis. | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Keep in mind, the morning after pill isn't the same as blah, blah, blah, also known as RU486 or the abortion pill. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| Morning after pills do not end a pregnancy that has implanted. | ||
| They work primarily by delaying or preventing ovulation. | ||
| Yeah, we're talking about... | ||
| I was talking about the different thing then. | ||
| I was talking about RU486. This drug terminates an established pregnancy, one which the fertilized egg has attached to the uterine wall and has begun to develop. | ||
| Okay, so forget about Plan B. What about RU-486? | ||
| It's the same question. | ||
| The same question is if someone knows they're pregnant or if they test positive for pregnancy and they take a pill that can get rid of that like the day of. | ||
| You're against that. | ||
| I would say, I would lay it out like this. | ||
| I would say, it is wrong to intentionally kill an innocent human life. | ||
| Abortion intentionally kills an innocent human life. | ||
| Therefore, abortion is wrong. | ||
| And I don't think any of the examples of like, oh, well, how developed is it? | ||
| Can it think? | ||
| Is it conscious? | ||
| Can it dream? | ||
| Can it feel pain? | ||
| So for you, it's the moment of conception. | ||
| I think that if it's a human life, a distinct human life, then I think it's wrong to end its life. | ||
| So you think that once the conception happens, there's some sort of a miraculous event? | ||
| Like at the very moment? | ||
| Like you could literally get to the point where the sperm cracks the egg. | ||
| If you could scoop that egg out right there, would that be abortion? | ||
| Well, I mean, at some point you're gonna have to say there was a magic moment that happened because you believe that we eventually become valuable humans, right? | ||
| Well listen, where's the moment where you think the magic happens? | ||
| Let me tell you my perspective on this because I've said this multiple times, but it bears repeating. | ||
| I think abortion is a very human issue in that humans are, we're messy. | ||
| And it's a very messy issue. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| Bill Burr has a very good bit about it in his last comedy special. | ||
| Where he says, I agree with your right to choose, but it's also killing a baby. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, and it's a very well... | ||
| I like that bit. | ||
| It's a good bit. | ||
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It's fantastic. | |
| He's talking about the oven, you know, baking something in the oven. | ||
| When you talk about, like, someone who's at six months or nine months, that gets crazy. | ||
| That's like you're literally killing a baby. | ||
| You're killing a baby that could exist outside the womb. | ||
| What if rape produced it and it's eight months old in the womb? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| That's also what makes it a very, very messy conversation. | ||
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| You know, there was a story that came out recently that someone had said that this woman got in trouble for having an abortion because they got a hold of her Facebook messages. | ||
| And then my wife sent me the actual story. | ||
| The actual story was it was a late-term thing. | ||
| She was trying to poison the baby. | ||
| But the actual story is that she took medication online. | ||
| She had a miscarriage because of that medication. | ||
| She took stuff to kill her abortion. | ||
| To start the abortion, rather. | ||
| And then heard her mom buried the stillborn. | ||
| Investigators seeking a warrant said they later learned her mother had bought the oral medication online to end her daughter's pregnancy. | ||
| That information was gathered in part from... | ||
| But find out how far along she was. | ||
| Because I think she was far along. | ||
| And that's, you know, that's where it gets crazy. | ||
| 23 weeks. | ||
| Perhaps as long as 29 weeks. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Under Nebraska law, abortions are legal up to 20 weeks. | ||
| Yeah, she was past that threshold. | ||
| How many months is that? | ||
| Is that six months? | ||
| What's 29 weeks? | ||
| That's really long. | ||
| So that's where we're at. | ||
| That's that area we were talking about. | ||
| Where it's like, this is this weird place where it's like, okay, that's a baby. | ||
| This is not like a clump of cells. | ||
| That's an actual baby. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's why it makes it such a crazy issue. | ||
| I mean, when you start talking about harmful misinformation, I mean, as you can tell, I'm pro-life. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And like, so, you know, when we start talking about harmful misinformation and the types of things that are considered, like that I say or that we tweet or the jokes that we make that are considered harmful misinformation, I'm like, well, what about calling that baby a clump of cells? | ||
| I think that's harmful misinformation because then you're encouraging people to kill it like it's nothing when it's actually a human life. | ||
| It's a developing human life. | ||
| I think abortion is health care. | ||
| The way that rape is lovemaking, if we want to use rape as an example. | ||
| I think they're opposites, and these are euphemisms that we use. | ||
| You know, we use the word healthcare. | ||
| We're talking about a procedure that ends an innocent human life, and we're calling it healthcare? | ||
| That's like calling rape lovemaking. | ||
| And this is why it's such a human issue, because I see what you're saying. | ||
| And I think that if Christianity had been any other religion other than, you know, I mean, Christianity is the most mocked religion. | ||
| Like, we want to look at religions with respect and dignity, whether it's Islam or Hinduism. | ||
| We look at those with respect and dignity. | ||
| And even if they have practices that we don't agree with, we sort of give them this leeway that it's part of their religion. | ||
| Christianity is safe. | ||
| Christianity is the most openly, easily mocked of all religions. | ||
| It's the most derived. | ||
| For whatever reason... | ||
| Well, we tolerate a lot of it. | ||
| Plus, we also, you know, I think one of the things that was refreshing to me about the Babylon Bee before I got involved in the Bee when I saw it for the first time... | ||
| I liked the self-deprecating humor. | ||
| I liked the willingness to go after our own and make fun of ourselves. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| Because I think that's really healthy. | ||
| I think it's very healthy. | ||
| Look, if we were able to laugh at ourselves, we wouldn't have people breaking down crying on TikTok because one of their students used the wrong pronouns for them. | ||
| We're so sensitive. | ||
| We take ourselves so seriously. | ||
| We can't even laugh at ourselves anymore. | ||
| Isn't that kind of an audience capture thing? | ||
| We're running onto the stage and slapping comedians in the face when they tell jokes we don't like now. | ||
| That's a different story. | ||
| But I think with these people, the thing about if you go on TikTok or Twitter or any kind of social media, And you have a story like that, where it's really, you know, if you're a man with a beard and you have blue hair and you say you're a woman and your teacher calls you a man, or your student rather calls you a man, and then you want to cry on TikTok, can't you see why that's kind of an issue? | ||
| And I know you're going to get a shit ton of support from people that say you're right and that's why people do it. | ||
| They do it because they know that there's like a lot of love with that narrative. | ||
| There's a lot of love if you say that. | ||
| So if you put that out there, you will get a lot of people supporting you. | ||
| But then you also get a lot of people attacking you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then they have to smear those attackers and these hateful people, hateful comments and transphobic comments online because a male with a beard and blue hair who thinks he's a woman because he decides he's a woman and is just fully biologically male and is in a class and a kid A little kid, not me, who I would definitely call him a woman, whatever your name is, I'll call you whatever you want. | ||
| A fucking five-year-old doesn't understand this. | ||
| Especially if this five-year-old grows up in a Christian household. | ||
| Maybe they don't discuss these things. | ||
| But we don't respect our religion the way we respect other religions. | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| Because in this particular argument, and again, you and I are opposed in some ways about this, but I think what we agree with is that what you are trying to say is that all life is valuable. | ||
| All life is valuable. | ||
| The moment of conception is value. | ||
| It's all valuable, and it's so important that we be this loving Christian community. | ||
| I don't think you have to be a Christian to hold that view, by the way. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| There's plenty of pro-life atheists who would say, you know... | ||
| No, but I'm saying you guys, as Christians, that's how you think about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You guys, you follow your guidelines of your religion, and that's what's in your guidelines of your religion. | ||
| It's not like you're pushing it on other people, but this is what you're promoting, what's what you're saying. | ||
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| And it's... | ||
| The only thing that's fucked is the right to choose. | ||
| That's the only thing that's fucked. | ||
| To force that onto a kid is, to me, it's chaos. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But what you're saying other than that is, like, life is valuable. | ||
| Like, yes, and people have, almost were the victims of abortion, and they weren't. | ||
| They went on to become these amazing people, and we would have lost them. | ||
| Sometimes it's a failed abortion. | ||
| Like, there's people who've survived, like, a saline abortion, and they're damaged as a result of it, but they... | ||
| But they lived. | ||
| And now they're born. | ||
| They usually go on, ironically enough, to become pro-life activists. | ||
| Oh, well, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's wild. | ||
| But it makes sense. | ||
| I mean, if that's what made you, wouldn't you be a pro-life activist? | ||
| Probably would be. | ||
| Yeah, of course you would be. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy how that works, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just, human beings are a weird fucking creature, you know, and this is one of the battlegrounds of the two ideologies. | ||
| This is where they get together, it's with abortion. | ||
| It's one of the most heated battlegrounds because the people that are pro-life have this In many ways, it's a loving view that all life is sacred. | ||
| Right? | ||
| The best way to look. | ||
| And then the people at the other end of it, see where this is going if you tell a woman what she can and can't do. | ||
| And tell a woman what her decision is. | ||
| If she decides that at two weeks it's not a fetus, it's not a baby, it's not a life, it's a clump of cells. | ||
| Like if she makes that decision and she wants to move on with her life, I don't think we should have the ability to tell someone what they can and can't do like that. | ||
| But again, when it gets to like where it's six months, it gets kind of crazy. | ||
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| Like that's actually a baby. | ||
| And I appreciate that you distinguish the two because I would say, you know, when you talk about outliers in sports, for example, those outliers being used as examples to try to shove an argument through. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's done with abortion all the time. | ||
| You use the example of the teenage girl who gets raped. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like that. | ||
| I mean, that's tragic. | ||
| Genuinely tragic. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| Awful, terrible stuff. | ||
| Super small percentage of abortion. | ||
| I mean, most abortions are contraception. | ||
| It's like, you know, they're used as like late contraception. | ||
| It's I got pregnant. | ||
| I don't want a baby. | ||
| I'm getting rid of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is the vast majority of abortions. | ||
| And so but yes, I do think, though, what's interesting about this topic, because, you know, you go back to like the harassment, intimidation, content moderation, free speech, all of that stuff. | ||
| You know, depending on where you land on this issue, you can say almost whatever you want. | ||
| After Roe v. | ||
| Wade was overturned, the kind of stuff that people are saying about the Supreme Court justices and how they should never know peace again and harassment and intimidation, all of that's perfectly acceptable. | ||
| All of that's perfectly acceptable. | ||
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All that's evil. | |
| All that stuff is evil. | ||
| All that stuff is evil. | ||
| Showing up at their houses. | ||
| And essentially what they did was law is a complicated thing where you look at rulings and you go over decisions and you try to find out if it applies to what you're talking about right there. | ||
| I don't understand the argument. | ||
| Like, I would have to go deep, deep, deep into the argument. | ||
| But I think their position was that the way Roe v. | ||
| Wade was structured, it was not compliant with the law. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Is that a good way to describe it? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, they weren't saying. | ||
| I mean, it's a mischaracterization to say that they like banned abortion. | ||
| They didn't do that. | ||
| They basically just said, like, the states can determine this. | ||
| This is not like there's no there is no federal protection. | ||
| There was no constitutional right to it that's explicit in the Constitution that was inserted in there. | ||
| And so they're saying we're going to toss that out. | ||
| And put it back to – make your own abortion laws at the state level because this was imported into – imposed on the constitution, not derived from the constitution. | ||
| That's essentially – So for a conservative perspective, this would be a good thing because this would give people the ability to make their own decisions without having the federal government dictate something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And move to a state, you know, that has, you know, this way it's like not federally mandated. | ||
| You can live in a state that's pro-life, you can live in a state that's pro-choice, you know, like you can make your own. | ||
| That gives you more leeway, too, to decide where you want to live. | ||
| But the problem people have with that is if they're stuck in a state where it used to be legal, and now all of a sudden it's not, and there's no federal protection for it, so they can't get it. | ||
| And so then you have someone who's forced into keeping their baby. | ||
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| And it's the same sort of argument that we were talking about before. | ||
| Like if you're a young person, if you're a 20, you're 40, whatever. | ||
| If it's your body and it's your choice to decide whether or not you keep that baby. | ||
| If you take that away from them, they would have to move to another state. | ||
| You're giving people a very complex scenario. | ||
| It's a series of hoops that they have to jump through that they didn't have to jump through before. | ||
| I mean, laws are there to protect life. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| When you talk about your body, there's another body at stake at that point, right? | ||
| But you think there's another body at stake instantly. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's another form, a developing one. | ||
| Yeah, a developing one, yeah. | ||
| Its size and location and degree of development is different, obviously, but that's true of a two-year-old from a 30-year-old. | ||
| I mean, we go through development for a very long period of time. | ||
| Richard Dawkins once tweeted something about how a human embryo at whatever stage is indistinguishable from a pig embryo. | ||
| Richard Dawkins said that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| And I was like, that's crazy because the human embryo will become a person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, how can you even say that? | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| One is a human. | ||
| One's a human, a developing human, and the other is a developing pig. | ||
| Yeah, it's nonsense. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| It's not an alien. | ||
| It's not an animal. | ||
| He must have been drinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With respect to those meanings of human that are relevant to the morality of abortion, any fetus is less human than an adult pig. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's a human in development. | ||
| That's even worse than I thought it was. | ||
| I was more charitable with my description of that tweet. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Did you reply to it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I was having a disagreement with Frankie Boyle. | ||
| As I said initially, it's certainly more human than a pig that has zero potential to be a person. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| It's a ridiculous statement. | ||
| From a really smart guy. | ||
| And I would say, I would just argue that the, and we can move on to a different topic if you want to get off this one, but I would say that it's a person with potential, not a potential person. | ||
| I think you got it. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah, no, I see what you're saying, man. | ||
| And this is why people need to have, cheers again, sir. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| See what we just did? | ||
| We had a peaceful disagreement. | ||
| Yeah, we did. | ||
| That can be done. | ||
| Respectful disagreement. | ||
| But what we would agree on, I think 100%, is that we should be able to have that debate. | ||
| There should never be like terms of service on Twitter that say you can't criticize abortion. | ||
| You can't criticize transgender ideology. | ||
| You can't joke about these things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not that abortion is a funny topic. | ||
| It's not funny, but it is funny when Bill Burr talks about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's only funny because Bill is a genius at like carving out a perspective on things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He is. | ||
| Yeah, he's good. | ||
| But I think it's, you know, what we agree on 100% is that you should have a conversation. | ||
| I don't think this effort, the content moderation effort, which is not aimed at the lewd and the indecent, but it just opinions that the powers that be don't like. | ||
| That effort is limiting what information we have access to, limiting what we can talk about. | ||
| And we're supposed to be better informed as a result. | ||
| The arguments that they give are that somehow we're going to be better off because we don't have access to all this misinformation. | ||
| You're better informed by hashing it out and talking through it and saying, we might learn something. | ||
| We might change each other's minds by engaging in debate. | ||
| And you take that away from everybody. | ||
| And I think it's the most valuable thing in the world. | ||
| I think it's the reason that Musk got involved, not because of the B. | ||
| Musk got involved because he saw that threat to speech and the free exchange of ideas. | ||
| Because where else are you going to have it? | ||
| If you're not going to have it on Twitter or Facebook, where else are you going to have it? | ||
| I think Twitter is the problem in the format because think about what you and I just did. | ||
| This would be horribly frustrating to do through text. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You would have to think about the exact wording of your tweet. | ||
| You'd have to respond to what I said. | ||
| Character limitation. | ||
| And maybe you might insult me. | ||
| Get a little jab in on me. | ||
| Maybe I insult you back. | ||
| Get a little jab in on you. | ||
| And we're not in front of each other having a conversation like this. | ||
| The beautiful thing about having a conversation with someone is that you're right there with them. | ||
| And if you're a good person, you don't want to be in an argument with someone. | ||
| If you could have a conversation with someone without being in an argument with them, you can. | ||
| I mean, I supported my position. | ||
| You supported your position. | ||
| We just talked. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we can't be communicating. | ||
| You're going to have a really hard time doing that on Twitter. | ||
| Even someone who's a genuine, kind person. | ||
| I find myself to be a genuinely kind person. | ||
| I try very hard to be a genuinely kind person. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| And so if I'm engaging with people on Twitter, I don't want to get into one of those things. | ||
| I don't want to shit on them. | ||
| I don't want to fuck with them. | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
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| Dunk on them. | ||
| I could do that at a comic club if I have to shut someone up. | ||
| But I'm not engaged in that sport. | ||
| But some people do. | ||
| And the problem with that is that becomes sort of a way that you learn how to share ideas and communicate. | ||
| And it favors being mean. | ||
| It favors taking things out of context. | ||
| favors, dunking on people. | ||
| All of that wouldn't happen if you talked to that person in real life. | ||
| The problem is we're taking what's essentially a complex exchange of ideas and philosophies and interactions. | ||
| You're doing it with words. | ||
| You're also doing it with tone. | ||
| We're looking at each other. | ||
| Clearly, I respect you. | ||
| You're a really nice guy. | ||
| I think you're a very intelligent guy. | ||
| I like talking to you. | ||
| I don't want to get in an argument with you. | ||
| I don't want to hurt your feelings. | ||
| But I also want to say what I'm saying, and I want to see where we have middle ground and where we disagree. | ||
| But in person is the way to do that. | ||
| We're designed for it. | ||
| We're not designed for text. | ||
| It's bad for us. | ||
| Yeah, I get that. | ||
| Plus, now it's like a preserved written record of how mean you just were to somebody. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It doesn't fade away. | ||
| It's there forever. | ||
| It's not how we're designed to communicate. | ||
| If we say something in a heated argument, and I regret it, I can apologize to you, and it fades away. | ||
| It goes away. | ||
| It doesn't fade away when it's a written record on the internet. | ||
| Well, it's just like having a conversation, right? | ||
| Sometimes you say shit, and you're like, oh, why did I say it that way? | ||
| Because you're thinking out loud, and sometimes you're not good at it. | ||
| You're running with words, and you're trying to figure out how to structure them together. | ||
| It doesn't always work out well. | ||
| But when you do that on Twitter, the problem is now it's printed and published, and it's there forever. | ||
| Just like a dumb thing that you might have said yesterday in real life. | ||
| It's not like this is something that you're staking your intellectual reputation on. | ||
| I've researched this thoroughly and these are my opinions. | ||
| No, you're just fucking tweeting something. | ||
| But the problem with fucking tweeting something is it's a weird way to communicate. | ||
| It's permanent record that is casual thought. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a lot of it. | ||
| I mean, some people put more effort into it and they really like structure their tweets and those people are mentally ill and they should fucking go find actual physical hobbies that real human beings should engage in. | ||
| You don't spend an hour on each tweet thinking through it? | ||
| Well, I mean, if you had something important to say, yes. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| My point is that the problem is people do that all day long. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's their sport. | ||
| Their sport is like getting in arguments and virtue signaling on Twitter and I know people who have lost their fucking minds doing that. | ||
| And I recognize it the same way I recognized when I was in high school. | ||
| My cousin's friend started selling coke. | ||
| I noticed that guy was losing his fucking mind because he's doing coke all the time. | ||
| It's the same kind of thing. | ||
| I know people that I'm friends with and I'll go to their Twitter page and they're insane now. | ||
| All they're doing is tweeting about the Democrats, pro-Democrat this, pro... | ||
| They're talking about obscure congressmen in South Dakota. | ||
| It's wild shit. | ||
| And their career has completely fallen apart. | ||
| Their career has fallen apart. | ||
| There's very few of them that are really successful that engage in this kind of constant, all-day-long psycho behavior. | ||
| It's all people that are literally flailing. | ||
| They're mentally ill. | ||
| And they don't see it that way. | ||
| They see that somehow they're out there fighting a good fight, one tweet at a time. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's madness. | ||
| I do think that Engaging in those forums, if you have something to say on issues that you think are important, rather than keeping it in and holding it to yourself for fear of whatever backlash you might get or getting sucked into an argument, I do think there's benefit to that. | ||
| It's just, you know, in moderation, right? | ||
| Not taking it too far. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And making it like your thing. | ||
| It's like you're on Twitter all day, like debating people or like trying to beat people over the head. | ||
| With whatever your political ideas are or your moral ideas or whatever. | ||
| But I mean, advancing, trying to, you know, like the bee, it's interesting. | ||
| What we do with the bee, satire itself is like, on one hand, you're just trying to make people laugh, but you are also trying to make them think. | ||
| You're trying to engage the ideas of the day, right? | ||
| Like the way that the Onion defines satire in one of their encyclopedias or whatever is it's, It's being a smartass while saying it's for a higher purpose. | ||
| And that's funny because the satirists will tell you it's for a higher purpose, right? | ||
| They'll tell you, like, we're trying to, like, speak truth through these jokes. | ||
| We're trying to, like, tear down bad ideas and address them. | ||
| And I think that's true. | ||
| I think there's a benefit to that. | ||
| I think it's why we want to be in the conversation. | ||
| We don't have a mission statement at the Babylon Bee, but if we did, I would say it's to ridicule bad ideas. | ||
| Ridicule them. | ||
| They deserve mockery. | ||
| Do you know what a hayoka is? | ||
| Have you ever heard that term? | ||
| I do not. | ||
| It's a Lakota term for a sacred clown. | ||
| They had a character that was in their tribe that would make fun of everything. | ||
| He'd make fun of the chief. | ||
| He'd make fun of the best warriors. | ||
| He'd make fun of the women. | ||
| He'd make fun of the children. | ||
| He'd make fun of everything. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And the tribe, they had a philosophy that anything that could not be made fun of was bullshit. | ||
| You had to find the holes in things. | ||
| And one of the ways you would find the holes in things is to make fun of them. | ||
| And then there was an important part of the tribe. | ||
| And they were the sacred clown. | ||
| And that's Ahioka. | ||
| And that's a satirist. | ||
| That's the Babylon Bee. | ||
| That's a good stand-up. | ||
| That's a lot of comedy. | ||
| A lot of meme comedy is coming from that perspective. | ||
| They're mocking something that is available to be mocked. | ||
| There's some things that are not available to be mocked, right? | ||
| Like a horrific murder of a good person is not available to be mocked, right? | ||
| We all agree because we don't want that happening and this is not something we support as a society. | ||
| But when it gets down to debatable ideas, then you've got to find out how mockable is that debatable idea. | ||
| And when it comes to, like, Rachel Levine winning Woman of the Year, that's pretty fucking mockable. | ||
| It's mockable. | ||
| It's mockable. | ||
| It's not just funny, though. | ||
| And to say it's not mockable doesn't, you know, like, to say it's hateful to mock it. | ||
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| Like, that's a mockable idea. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I also think that there's a moral obligation to mock some of these things. | ||
| A moral obligation? | ||
| Moral obligation. | ||
| How so? | ||
| The absurd has only become sacred because it hasn't been sufficiently mocked. | ||
| I think we have crazy ideas, crazy ideas that comedians to some extent bear the responsibility for becoming popular because they were too afraid to mock them. | ||
| They were too afraid they would get canceled. | ||
| They didn't want to make fun of it. | ||
| You know, like kids, kids are so impressionable. | ||
| Kids don't have like, kids don't have like a theological foundation or a philosophical foundation. | ||
| They can't ward off bad ideas. | ||
| Like they just absorb whatever you throw at them. | ||
| But let me stop you there because you're talking about My tribe now. | ||
| Here's the thing about comedians. | ||
| We make fun of things we think are funny. | ||
| So we don't have an obligation to decide that something's funny. | ||
| And if you say that we have an obligation, who is our representative that has that obligation? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| They're individual artists. | ||
| Some of them are absurdists. | ||
| Some of them are guys like Zach Galifianakis or like Mitch Hedberg that just write non sequitur jokes. | ||
| They're not responsible for anything. | ||
| The idea that comedians are responsible for mocking something. | ||
| Well, if there's a comedian who sees something there and he wants to talk about it on stage, then he's responsible for making it funny and it's an important subject and it's something that you can mock. | ||
| Just do a good job on it. | ||
| Make sure it works good. | ||
| That's the responsibility of the individual. | ||
| But it's not like we have a committee. | ||
| We're not like a government organization. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We're not like the FDA. We approve bad drugs. | ||
| We're not that. | ||
| We're a group of artists. | ||
| But we have an obligation as comedians to be funny. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So when you said, okay, so you were talking to Gina Carano recently, and you talked about how woke shit is the funniest shit. | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| Woke shit's the funniest shit. | ||
| And we make fun of that stuff. | ||
| Because it's so ridiculous. | ||
| So ridiculous. | ||
| And somebody's got to make fun of it. | ||
| I think, at a minimum, the comedian has an obligation to be funny and not dance around those things that deserve mockery. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so you can look at it from two perspectives. | ||
| If you want to be funny, you've got to go after the stuff that's really funny and you shouldn't try to avoid that just to not ruffle feathers. | ||
| But the key is just whether or not you think it's funny. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's the key. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's like some people don't have a joke on something. | ||
| Like I don't have an abortion joke, right? | ||
| But Bill Burr had a great one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I didn't think the idea of it, like it didn't pop into my head as good subject matter. | ||
| It popped into my head as a problematic human situation. | ||
| So when I look at comedy, like I have to decide what I want to talk about based on what I think is funny. | ||
| It can't be any other thing. | ||
| Now, if I look at something like Rachel Levine winning Woman of the Year and think it's hilarious, I would probably do a bit about that, but Chappelle had already done that bit about Caitlyn Jenner winning Woman of the Year and compared it to Eminem, and it was hilarious. | ||
| It's a brilliant bit. | ||
| So that subject's dead to me now. | ||
| So I move on. | ||
| But that's how we do it. | ||
| So if there's a thing that I think is funny, And I decide to talk about it on stage, then I agree with you. | ||
| Then I have an obligation to see it through. | ||
| So I would put satire in a different category than just generic comedy. | ||
| Just jokes for the sake of jokes. | ||
| I, you know, the Onions thing about, you know, it's being a smart ass and saying it's for a higher purpose. | ||
| Generally, throughout the history of satire in particular, especially like political satire, right? | ||
| That's dealing with the issues of the day in the culture. | ||
| The idea is to, I heard somebody define it as, you know, satire weds wit with moral concern. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So you're taking, you're looking at what are the social cancers? | ||
| What are the things that are bad for society? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And you're finding a witty way to excise them, to cut them out before the cancer can kill the host, right? | ||
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Sort of. | |
| Also, a lot of times you're just mocking things. | ||
| You are. | ||
| You are. | ||
| A lot of times you're just mocking the mundane and the silly and the deserving of it. | ||
| But you're also finding those things that are dangerous, that are harmful, the social cancers, and you're saying, okay, look, we're not running around. | ||
| We're not an attacker with a knife trying to stab and hurt somebody. | ||
| We're more like a surgeon with a scalpel trying to cut out something harmful so healing can happen. | ||
| And so there is like the satirist still has like this mission that goes beyond just I want to make people laugh. | ||
| And abortion is a great example of this because abortion is not a funny topic. | ||
| But we've done satirical jokes like Bill Cosby claims sexual assault is only 3% of what he does. | ||
| And Planned Parenthood defends him for that reason. | ||
| Because Planned Parenthood claims that abortion is only 3% of what they do, right? | ||
| So we'll do an abortion joke like that to show the absurdity of Planned Parenthood trying to get off the hook by saying this is only 3% of what we do by saying, okay, what if Bill Cosby said sexual assault is only 3% of what I do? | ||
| So we're making a point there that's not just like going for laughs. | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| And what you guys are doing is trying to speak to a voice you don't think is being heard. | ||
| And that's why it's being very successful. | ||
| Because there's not a balance in narratives when it comes to left or right in this country. | ||
| It's becoming more imbalanced because now we're banned. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there's unspoken stuff that you can't talk about that a lot of people wish they could talk about. | ||
| And those are the things that you could poke fun at. | ||
| And they get a big response. | ||
| And they get shared a lot. | ||
| I mean, obviously you guys are still on Instagram. | ||
| You have a lot of people on Instagram and you're still on Facebook. | ||
| And I think there's some sort of... | ||
| We got banned on TikTok recently. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's probably good. | ||
| You should be off TikTok anyway. | ||
| No appeal, permanently banned. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what I was saying. | ||
| I was like, I don't even know that we want to talk about that that much. | ||
| We don't even like it. | ||
| We're not even making a big deal that we got banned on TikTok because maybe we shouldn't have been in the first place. | ||
| Do you ever read the terms of service? | ||
| No, not in detail, but I've read about people who've... | ||
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We read it on the podcast. | |
| We read it at me and Theo Vaughn read it out on the podcast. | ||
| It was bonkers. | ||
| Frightening, huh? | ||
| It's bonkers. | ||
| They get access to your microphone. | ||
| They get access to all your keystrokes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They get access to other computers that aren't connected to your phone. | ||
| Why does Apple allow that in the App Store? | ||
| I have no idea, but that is one circumstance where Trump was correct when he was talking about banning that. | ||
| Look, that is Chinese spyware that's dressed up as the most addictive social media app ever. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's a Trojan horse. | ||
| Yeah, when they back-engineer that shit and find out exactly what's in there, they're freaking out. | ||
| They're like, this is the most invasive app we've ever discovered. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's so crazy, and it's so addictive. | ||
| It's fucking genius. | ||
| I say to China, well played. | ||
| You got us. | ||
| And now they're trying to turn Instagram into TikTok, basically. | ||
| Essentially just morph it into that to compete with it. | ||
| Well, you know, I mean, that's what they always do, right? | ||
| That's where stories came from. | ||
| It came from Snapchat. | ||
| They always find the best features that some other application has. | ||
| They all do that. | ||
| Twitter did it for a while. | ||
| Remember Fleets? | ||
| They did Fleets for like a minute. | ||
| Well, they're doing Substack on Twitter, right? | ||
| They're allowing people to pay, which is interesting. | ||
| Pay to be like a super tweeter or something like that. | ||
| Super supporter, super follower, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, hello. | ||
| It's like they all do that. | ||
| I guess that's what you have to do. | ||
| The thing about these companies is that these are all companies that have stakeholders. | ||
| They're stockholders. | ||
| It's a lot of responsibility. | ||
| If a CEO doesn't capitalize on some opportunity where there's a really popular thing that keeps happening, Like, that's why Instagram is always pushing the videos. | ||
| They're so... | ||
| The reels. | ||
| They want Instagram reels to be, like, the most important thing on Instagram. | ||
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Right. | |
| The other things don't get nearly as much traction. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now I go to make a new post, and the first thing that's an option is reel. | ||
| Like, I don't want to just post a reel every time, you know? | ||
| Well, they know. | ||
| They know what's going on. | ||
| They know that the TikTokers, they got them. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| TikTok got them. | ||
| They came along out of nowhere with the most addictive app ever that's also spyware and no one cares. | ||
| It's not good for teens either. | ||
| Not healthy. | ||
| Well, all that stuff is bad for kids. | ||
| Do you keep your kids off it? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I don't think my children should not be exposed to things that are in the world. | ||
| I think the more you protect them from certain... | ||
| I think you have to have communications with them about it. | ||
| I talk about it openly. | ||
| I've described... | ||
| One of my friends... | ||
| My daughter came home the other day. | ||
| She goes, one of my friends is so mad at you because her mom watched a video of you talking about the terms of service on TikTok and she made him delete it off his phone. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| I go, good, you should delete it off your phone too. | ||
| I'm like, they're listening to me right now, honey. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| But that's how I deal with it with my kids. | ||
| I give them the opportunity to make their own decisions. | ||
| I think it's very important. | ||
| And I don't think in this world, I think this world, keeping your kids off social media, you might think that's good, and it's probably good to regulate it, and it's probably good to have discussions with them. | ||
| But everyone's on social media. | ||
| This is a new world. | ||
| This is keeping kids from listening to rock and roll. | ||
| That's what this is. | ||
| This is keeping kids from wearing skirts. | ||
| We're in a new world. | ||
| The new world involves social media with most people. | ||
| The key is gonna be, how do you engage with people? | ||
| And how do you treat people on social media the way you would treat people if you were in front of them? | ||
| If they were a genuinely nice person and you're being genuinely nice to them. | ||
| We should discourage cuntiness everywhere, including cuntiness in comments, cuntiness on tweets, cuntiness in Facebook. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| And to encourage that kind of communication, that shit is gonna come back on you. | ||
| You're setting a tone, and you see it with so many people that these attack dogs, they develop like a fan base of other attack dogs, and then someone goes after them. | ||
| They go after them, they start attacking them, and they hate it. | ||
| Because everybody hates that. | ||
| It's a shit way to talk. | ||
| If you were having a fucking dinner conversation at your house with a couple of buddies, and one guy brought his friend, and his friend is just an insulting asshole, he just wants to mock everything you do and shit all over you, talk about shit you did in seventh grade, and you're like, get this fucking guy out of here! | ||
| Sounds like a good time. | ||
| He'd be like, get this fucking guy out of here, this guy's rude. | ||
| That leaves room for mockery, leaves room for comedy, but I think what we have to be really careful with is we're setting a tone for communication. | ||
| Because most of the communication that people do today, where it's with other folks that they don't know, a lot of people are like, the majority of their communication is on social media. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It is scary though the teens are like suicidal because of like what they see on social media I mean like I don't think rock and roll ever had that kind of like you know like expo letting your kids listen to rock and roll you know there was a lot of that was a debate at one time right but I don't know social media has like It has the ability to put kids into very unhealthy mental states. | ||
| That's what they thought about rock and roll. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just the exact same thing they thought when they wouldn't let Elvis shake his pelvis on television. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the same exact thought. | ||
| They're like, oh my god, rock and roll's gonna ruin my children. | ||
| Raka, this is the world your children are living in. | ||
| Your children are young human beings. | ||
| This is the world they live in. | ||
| Give them a strong set of morals and ethics. | ||
| Show them by the way you talk to people, by the way you behave, that you're kind and thoughtful. | ||
| Show them that you work hard, that you have discipline, and that you admit your faults, and that you're always trying to do better. | ||
| Show them that! | ||
| Show them that and they can apply that to all things in life. | ||
| That's crucial. | ||
| But to try to pretend that we should all live in a world that is completely alien to the world that we currently live in seems to me to be ridiculous. | ||
| That doesn't mean you should be on Chinese spyware. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if my kids want to do that, that's what they're going to fucking do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they enjoy the fun of doing TikToks and shit. | ||
| You know, there's a real world that we live in, and that real world is fucking complicated. | ||
| I think the most important thing is to let your kids understand that this shit is complicated. | ||
| Let them understand that there's a lot of games afoot. | ||
| There's a lot of things going on. | ||
| There's moving pieces. | ||
| There's a lot of narratives that are being projected that aren't accurate, and they do it on purpose, and these are people that are in the fucking highest echelons of media. | ||
| And they're putting out lies and nonsense. | ||
| They're acting as propagandists for the state. | ||
| They're doing what administrations want them to do versus what their journalistic ethics should compel them to do. | ||
| And this is happening left and right. | ||
| And we know that 75% of all advertisements on television are pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| That's fucking wild. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| That the vast majority of what people see on television has to be in line with the hugest advertising budget that the world has ever known. | ||
| That's some wild shit right there. | ||
| And that's the pharmaceutical companies? | ||
| Really? | ||
| And we're all cool with that. | ||
| Equipping kids, though, to deal with this stuff, I absolutely agree with you. | ||
| I totally agree with you. | ||
| And it also goes back to the point about mockery. | ||
| I think that kids should see you modeling good behavior. | ||
| They should also see you mocking ideas that deserve to be mocked. | ||
| Because otherwise, they're going to take those ideas seriously. | ||
| They're going to think that there is such a thing as a transgender three-year-old. | ||
| You know, just because the boy picked up a Barbie for two seconds. | ||
| Well, there's so many stories of people who were, when they were younger, thought they were a boy and then they grew up and just became a tomboy and then became a regular woman. | ||
| And they're like, oh, what if I had lived today? | ||
| Oh, and what a crazy time for gays and lesbians, like lesbian women who are a little bit more masculine in how they dress and how they feel, but they don't identify as male. | ||
| You know? | ||
| They're attracted to women. | ||
| They are themselves women. | ||
| They identify as women. | ||
| But they're not, like, girly, you know? | ||
| How crazy is that term that you just said? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| They identify as women. | ||
| That's like a normal term now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| What is a woman, Joe? | ||
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What is a woman? | |
| That documentary was fantastic. | ||
| It was. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I would encourage everybody on the left, on the right, in the center, libertarians, watch that documentary. | ||
| What is a woman? | ||
| It's very interesting because he does the best job I've ever seen of having like a poker face through the entire thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just asking questions. | ||
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Very dry. | |
| Asking questions. | ||
| Not be adversarial. | ||
| Not challenging them at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's letting them go, what? | ||
| And you notice how, like, there's a couple of conversations in that documentary, too, where there were just questions, just simply questioning, like, what do you believe and why do you believe it? | ||
| Like, what's the truth here? | ||
| And it actually got people irritated to the point where they wanted to kick him out of their office. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I'm like, you know, this is how you react, like, when you've spent your entire life and your current job is to suppress the truth. | ||
| The mere question about what is true... | ||
| Is enough to upset you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| He wasn't being adversarial. | ||
| The one politician that ended the conversation quickly? | ||
| Shut it down, yeah. | ||
| I don't remember what his question was, but it was... | ||
| Pretty innocuous. | ||
| It wasn't a sniping question. | ||
| There was nothing nasty about it. | ||
| It was just asking questions. | ||
| You should be able to have answers to those questions. | ||
| You should be able to have answers to those questions to people who agree with you. | ||
| If you hold that idea in your head, and you're a politician, And you might actually vote on these things, and you might have to actually have a say on these things, and you might be able to promote these ideas. | ||
| You should tell me what you think about everything, about crosswalks. | ||
| I want to know what you think about stop signs. | ||
| I want to know what you think about everything. | ||
| You should be able to tell me. | ||
| If this is something that you have an actual... | ||
| You're a professional politician. | ||
| You're supposed to have a fucking opinion on these very important issues. | ||
| So this is an important issue. | ||
| And somebody brings it up and they just... | ||
| Maybe they oppose you? | ||
| You can't talk to someone who opposes you? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's preposterous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have to be able to. | ||
| But that should just immediately disqualify you from being a politician. | ||
| Someone should just say, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| You can't say we're not going to talk about this. | ||
| If you wanted to talk, and then this comes up, and you don't want to talk about this? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I'm interested in what you think about the question that I get all the time. | ||
| This, you know... | ||
| Oh, isn't your job easier now because this is such a target-rich environment? | ||
| We can't even decide what a woman is. | ||
| A Supreme Court justice nominee was asked, what is a woman? | ||
| And she is a woman, by the way. | ||
| And she refused to answer that and said, I'm not a biologist. | ||
| It's like, you can't make it up. | ||
| You can't make it up. | ||
| And we're doing satire and comedy. | ||
| I think, in my opinion, when people say it's a target-rich environment, yeah, of course. | ||
| Some of these things are easy to make fun of. | ||
| Biden's easy to make fun of. | ||
| A lot of these things are easy to make fun of. | ||
| But you could literally just publish what he says verbatim, and it's funny. | ||
| It's hard to exaggerate it. | ||
| It's a Mike Judge movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's like idiocracy. | ||
| It's making comedy harder. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen... | ||
| Did you see the spreadsheet that I shared that has our 70... | ||
| It's now 76. 76 jokes we made that came true. | ||
| No. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We tell... | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| It was on my... | ||
| That's got to be somewhere. | ||
| It's on my Twitter. | ||
| I don't know how to directly... | ||
| It was a spreadsheet. | ||
| A Google sheet that I shared. | ||
| Jamie is the wizard of Google. | ||
| He will find it. | ||
| 76 jokes we've made that have come true. | ||
| And it's things like, you know, Gavin Newsom named U-Haul salesperson of the year. | ||
| And then Fox News puts out a story that like U-Haul's running out of trucks so fast because people are fleeing for Texas that they can't keep up with the demand, you know? | ||
| And so it's like, But you did this way before it actually happened. | ||
| We did it a month before they actually published it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That was quick. | ||
| So the left column is the joke, and then the right column is a real story. | ||
| Let's see what they are. | ||
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You can't zoom anymore from here? | |
| There we go. | ||
| Blind boy. | ||
| Whoa, that's huge. | ||
| Whoa, look at those pop-up windows. | ||
| They fucking occupy everything. | ||
| Okay, scroll up a little so I can read this. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Oh, it just keeps going? | ||
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Oh. | |
| What is going on with these pop-up windows, you fucks? | ||
| Make that a little lower. | ||
| A little smaller, rather. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| New York Times praises Soviet Union for unprecedented gender equality in labor camps. | ||
| Click on that. | ||
| How is that? | ||
| How well that's our article and then the and then the right story is like over in the right column Is that it? | ||
|
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Yeah? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, click on that. | ||
| Biden's pick for banking regulator once praised Soviet Union for having no gender pay gap. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's not in camps, but it's pretty goddamn close. | ||
| It's close. | ||
| So I think some of these are like, we call it a partial fulfillment of a prophecy. | ||
| It comes half true, and then sometimes it comes totally true, and then sometimes it comes even more true, then it's even more exaggerated. | ||
| Look at what it says there. | ||
| Say what you will about the old USSR. There was no gender pay gap there. | ||
| Market doesn't always know best. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And here's the thing that's gross about that, the grossest part. | ||
| She knows the gender pay gap is not as simple as you're a carpenter, she's a carpenter. | ||
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Right. | |
| You both do the exact same quality work. | ||
| She makes $100 an hour, you make $150. | ||
| That's not what it is. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, what it is is men choose different jobs. | ||
| Yeah, like welders and architects and whatever. | ||
| And they work more hours and women get pregnant and they have babies and they can't work. | ||
| They make decisions because they're mothers that they don't want to be... | ||
| that the husband can pay all the bills. | ||
| They make decisions within the household more regularly that They make less money overall with all humans. | ||
| But it's not the same people making the same job. | ||
| If they do the same work, why wouldn't you just hire all women? | ||
| Because they're just as good and you could pay them less. | ||
| That's so dumb. | ||
| But it's a lie. | ||
| It's not dumb. | ||
| It's a lie. | ||
| And a lot of people don't know this. | ||
| I had a friend who was arguing with me about it. | ||
| We were talking about divorce settlements, and he was saying that he thinks that maybe it's to make up for the fact that there's a gender pay gap. | ||
| I go, what is the gender pay gap? | ||
| We had a conversation about it. | ||
| He goes, well, women get paid 75 cents for every dollar a guy got. | ||
| I go, doing the same job? | ||
| He goes, yes. | ||
| I go, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| He goes, really? | ||
| I go, no, no. | ||
| It's different jobs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Now, if you can say that there's some sort of a gender bias within those jobs... | ||
| By the way, I would call that harmful misinformation. | ||
| You know why that's harmful? | ||
| Look at all the resentment it creates. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Look at all the strife. | ||
| Look at all the division it creates. | ||
| You end up with a political divide. | ||
| You end up with people like acting, acting like they're getting the short end of the stick and thinking of themselves as a victim when they're not. | ||
| It's just not true. | ||
| It's a misleading narrative. | ||
| Right, and it also flies in the face of real gender discrimination that probably does happen in some jobs. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So it fucks that up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it like paints this unrealistic narrative when there's, you could highlight an actual real case, like real gender discrimination, whether it's in with specific fields or specific companies where like there's an old boys network that controls Right. | ||
| Who succeeds and who doesn't succeed, and it's not based on merit, it's just based on, you know, cronyism, then it makes sense. | ||
| But if you're saying that, and you know it's not true, and you know it really is that women choose different jobs, and that men go into different fields of work, and sometimes they're more dangerous, and men are much... | ||
| Jordan Peterson talks about this so eloquently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that men are more likely to die, they're more likely to get murdered, they're more likely to commit suicide, the more... | ||
| There's more of them in prison. | ||
| Yeah, it just goes on and on. | ||
| But that this, specifically, when it comes to work, that this, they get killed at work more often. | ||
| They die on the job. | ||
| And they choose these paths based on, you know, a lot of traditional male characteristics. | ||
| I guarantee you, men fall off a roof more often than women. | ||
| Because they're roofing more often than women are. | ||
| Probably right. | ||
| But that's the whole point, is that he's saying these are dangerous jobs that these men gravitate towards to. | ||
| And also very physical jobs. | ||
| When was the last time you saw a female garbageman? | ||
| I'm sure they exist. | ||
| I'm sure there's a garbage woman out there. | ||
| I'm sure she's mad at me right now. | ||
| Motherfucker, I listened to you while I'm at work, and now I hate your ass. | ||
| She needs a transition. | ||
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I've been working in Tallahassee, Florida, slinging garbage for 16 fucking years. | |
| I'm sure there's a woman like that out there. | ||
| Probably got a cigarette hanging out of the corner of her mouth. | ||
| But for the most part, it's garbage men. | ||
| Masonry, heavy-duty construction jobs, the vast majority are men. | ||
| Walking up on those fucking beams at 30,000 feet in the sky. | ||
| They're not that high, but you know what I mean. | ||
| Like the skyscrapers. | ||
| That's like flying altitude. | ||
| A lot of those are men. | ||
| And a lot of people that gravitate towards certain fields that require extreme competitiveness in the work environment. | ||
| You know, 16-hour days, like lawyers and doctors and Oh, I've heard Jordan Peterson talk about that at length and the lack of appreciation that's there too. | ||
| You know, like men are like, men are making things work. | ||
| They're fixing things that break. | ||
| They're building things that we need, you know, and they're working themselves the bone to do it. | ||
| And there's like... | ||
| Very little appreciation for those types of jobs that they're doing that are just back-breaking labor. | ||
| There's very little appreciation in terms of what impact it would have on society if they didn't exist. | ||
| Imagine a world with no plumbers. | ||
| Imagine a world with no electricians. | ||
| You have no idea what the fuck is going on in that box. | ||
| You gotta call a guy. | ||
| Imagine a world with no carpenters. | ||
| How do we make a house? | ||
| We have to make our own house? | ||
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What? | |
| No framers? | ||
| What? | ||
| No cement guy? | ||
| I gotta figure out how to mix cement? | ||
| What the fuck is talking—I gotta run a toilet line? | ||
| No, we're gonna make an outhouse. | ||
| We're gonna shit in a hole in the ground. | ||
| I'm gonna keep moving every six months. | ||
| Yeah, go down real quick. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| But, you know, that's like teachers, right? | ||
| Teachers are—one of the most important parts of a child's development is the education they're exposed to when they're a child. | ||
| But we don't think about that As it being that valuable. | ||
| We don't pay them very much. | ||
| We treat them like shit. | ||
| It's not a great job in terms of the financial reward. | ||
| It's not very celebrated. | ||
| We only think about them when they suck. | ||
| We're only mad at them when they do something wrong. | ||
| Teachers are responsible. | ||
| I've had a lot of bad teachers. | ||
| Same with law enforcement, by the way. | ||
| Abso-fucking-lutely. | ||
| Well, I'm the opinion that most cops are good people. | ||
| That's why most interactions that people have with cops, I think cops are representative of human beings, and most human beings are good people. | ||
| Most. | ||
| The vast majority. | ||
| That's why you can go to the mall. | ||
| That's why, for the most part, without mass shootings, you can go to dinner at a restaurant, you can go, because most of the time, people are great. | ||
| Most of the time, even when they have disagreements, it's rare. | ||
| Unless you're hanging out in the wrong bars. | ||
| But most of the time, people are great. | ||
| And I think that's the case with everything. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I think that's the case with most things in life. | ||
| Do you think, though, going back to that, our jokes keep coming true and all this nonsense, do you think comedy's harder now or easier? | ||
| Is it a target-rich environment that's easier to make fun of, or do you think it's more challenging? | ||
| Well, you're going to get criticized more. | ||
| You know, but that's part of the job. | ||
| You know, this idea that comedy's under attack. | ||
| You know, it means... | ||
| It's just people's opinions. | ||
| They're expressing their opinions on something. | ||
| They think you suck or they think you're rude or they think this and that. | ||
| They're allowed to have opinions. | ||
| The problem is not that. | ||
| The problem is when you want to suppress a person's ability to say something that you would criticize. | ||
| That's where our problem lies. | ||
| Our problem doesn't lie in criticism of comedy. | ||
| I think that's important. | ||
| I think criticism in everything, and you might agree with it, you might disagree with it. | ||
| You might think that criticism is ridiculous. | ||
| It's completely out of context. | ||
| You're taking it out of line. | ||
| This is not what he's saying, and this is really what they're saying. | ||
| Or you could look at it and say, I agree. | ||
| It's valid. | ||
| I think that joke sucks. | ||
| I think that comedian's mean. | ||
| You're allowed to think that, too. | ||
| That's a part of being a person. | ||
| There's certain people that are so goddamn sensitive, they believe in microaggressions. | ||
| The slightest little look that someone can give you is, she's microaggressing me at work. | ||
| And you can go to your fucking human resources person and make a formal complaint that someone's enacting microaggressions. | ||
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Right. | |
| And there's where the debate lies. | ||
| Is it better? | ||
| Is it better for society? | ||
| Is it healthier for us? | ||
| Is it better for that person if we mock that or if we coddle it? | ||
| It's not good to coddle that. | ||
| Do we mock it or do we coddle it? | ||
| Microaggressions are the best example. | ||
| It's not that to coddle. | ||
| If you say something really fucking dumb to a guy at the office, he should be able to go... | ||
| Okay, and just walk away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That should be his right. | ||
| And if you want to go to Human Resources and say that, you know, you're going through a simulated pregnancy and he didn't support you, and you were telling him about how you're in the, you know, third trimester of your simulated pregnancy, and he's like, okay, and he just walks away, and you've got a beard, and you have blue hair, and your name is Alice now, and for the last six months you've been Alice, and you've been pregnant. | ||
| What am I supposed to do? | ||
| You tell me what I'm supposed to do there. | ||
| I can't go, okay. | ||
| If you tell me that you're a fucking psychic, and that you're an intuitive, and that you're tuned into the world, you're an empath, and you're telling me all this, and you're getting together with a bunch of people that don't believe in possessions, and they're all polyamorous, and I go, Okay. | ||
| And I walk away. | ||
| It's the same goddamn thing. | ||
| You're saying something that's outside of the norm. | ||
| You're talking cuckoo talk. | ||
| You would have so many people who would argue with you and say that you have a moral obligation to affirm. | ||
| Affirm, affirm, affirm. | ||
| It's the right thing to do. | ||
| It's the compassion thing to do. | ||
| It's the loving thing to do. | ||
| It's affirm, affirm, affirm. | ||
| It's compelled speech. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Compelled speech is always dangerous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's always dangerous. | ||
| It is akin to... | ||
| I mean, that's the problem with some people who have the Pledge of Allegiance. | ||
| They think that's compelled speech. | ||
| But I think that's patriotism. | ||
| And I think, you know, with a good pledge of allegiance and a good idea of what we represent as a person, it's like a mantra that we can chant. | ||
| I could see their argument, though. | ||
| But I think that the proponents of compelled speech only want their side to win. | ||
| But what if it comes back against you, man? | ||
| That's Hitler. | ||
| That's fucking Mao. | ||
| That's Stalin. | ||
| When it comes back on you, and there's a dictator saying something you disagree with, but they're compelling you to say it, they're compelling you to do it, just because you think that it's a kind thing to do to transgender people, if you allow that right to exist in modern society, it will go into other things. | ||
| And if we go south, if something goes bad, if there's a civil war or a nuclear war with another country, and only half of us survive, and we get some hardcore Really fucking authoritarian type dictator running this country, they will turn that shit on you. | ||
| And the idea that that's never going to happen is preposterous. | ||
| The idea that that can't happen. | ||
| It's happening right now in other parts of the world. | ||
| That shit could happen. | ||
| What's happening in China could happen here. | ||
| If we allow a centralized digital currency, and we allow a social credit score system, and shit goes south, and we have an uprising against the government, and so the government has to lock down and put more rules in place, and they decide whether you can and can't travel based on your tweets, that shit could happen right here. | ||
| And the same sort of compelled speech that you would think would be compassionate towards causes that you support, the problem with that is that could be applied to almost anything. | ||
| And in worst case scenario circumstances, which is what we always have to think about. | ||
| And if you set a precedent for it being okay for the powers that be to enforce those rules, then what if the powers change? | ||
| And suddenly it's somebody who disagrees with you. | ||
| Or this is the problem that the left has. | ||
| The left is redefining things every moment. | ||
| The goalposts are shifting. | ||
| The goalposts are always shifting for what's acceptable and what's not. | ||
| You know, conservatives tend to conserve, right? | ||
| At least that's what they should be doing is preserving what they believe is true and good, right? | ||
| And the left also is going after what they think is true and good, but it's a moving target all the time. | ||
| And so when the target changes, all of a sudden your view that you tweeted out like a year ago is bigoted today. | ||
| Don't you think that's a classic power struggle, though? | ||
| I think that's a classic power struggle between people who are in power and people who want to be in power, and between two opposing parties. | ||
| If you made one team, you made them wear a blue jersey, and the other team, you make them wear a yellow jersey, the fucking yellow ones kind of kick the shit out of the blue ones. | ||
| Those blue ones are all pussies, and the blue ones think the yellow ones are going to quit. | ||
| That's just how people operate, man. | ||
| And if you give people an ideology, a rigid ideology, they can follow. | ||
| And this is my problem with calling yourself left or right. | ||
| There's a lot of shit on both sides I agree with. | ||
| But when you give yourself a rigid ideology, then you subscribe to that ideology. | ||
| That becomes you. | ||
| And then you defend it because you're defending your identity, you're defending your way of life against all these mindless hord of idiots. | ||
| But if you think it's true, then what's wrong with defending it? | ||
| If you think it's true, then you should stand by it. | ||
| The problem is when you have, it's not rigid. | ||
| That's not my point. | ||
| My point is that people just do this. | ||
| They just do this. | ||
| They just decide, I'm a conservative Christian. | ||
| I'm an atheist liberal. | ||
| People just decide things. | ||
| And then they find ideas within there that they can sort of espouse. | ||
| And the more you do it, the more you get love from your community. | ||
| And the more it kind of rationally makes sense to you. | ||
| And the more you vehemently oppose to anything that's opposed to that. | ||
| And the more you find the sworn enemy of the GOP. And everybody's like, yay! | ||
| And you got a rainbow on your Twitter flag. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| You're doing a great job. | ||
| You're doing the right thing. | ||
| You're getting all the right... | ||
| Or, on the other side, whatever conservative ideas that you attach yourself to, you'll only hook, line, and sinker buy into those, whether it's First Amendment, whether it's Second Amendment, whether it's whatever different issues, border control, whatever different issues that people have. | ||
| And everyone loses all nuance. | ||
| Everyone is just fighting for one ideology or another ideology. | ||
| And then people switch. | ||
| How about those wild fucks? | ||
| They go, I've seen the error of my ways and I'm going to the other side. | ||
| And everyone's like, come on over, come on over. | ||
| And people get excited. | ||
| And then all of a sudden they have a completely different philosophy than they had just six or seven years ago. | ||
| Like you did when you went far right. | ||
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Yes. | |
| That's what they say. | ||
| If you even defend freedom, liberty, freedom of speech, you're far right. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm so left, it's hilarious. | ||
| To call me far right is preposterous. | ||
| You know, it's so dumb. | ||
| But I like guns. | ||
| You know, I believe that human beings should have the ability to defend their home and their property from bad people, because I think bad people are a real thing. | ||
| And I think this idea that you're going to somehow or another make the world a better place by getting rid of guns that are owned by law-abiding citizens and that the crime, the people that commit the crimes are going to follow those rules and they're not going to have guns anymore. | ||
| Well, you're talking about a population of guns that's larger than the population of humans. | ||
| That's a lot of guns to keep track of. | ||
| Do you guys have track of all the bullets? | ||
| You're still allowing people to make bullets? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| You want me to give up my guns for what reason? | ||
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And it's like, you fucking little dicks, you just want to keep your guns? | |
| No, I want to stay alive. | ||
| I want to stay alive. | ||
| If it's between a bad person or me, I want to be the person that makes that decision. | ||
| I want to be the person who's trained in firearms, who knows what the fuck he's doing, and I don't want to be helpless. | ||
| But if guns are banned, then the bad guys won't have them, and then you won't have to defend yourself with them. | ||
| Yeah, we already made that argument. | ||
| It's just too many people, but the problem is not guns. | ||
| The problem is mentally ill people. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| The vast majority of people who have guns are just like the vast majority of most people. | ||
| They're good people. | ||
| I think that's across the board. | ||
| Our problem is with mental health. | ||
| I wrote a tweet about that once, that we have a gun problem. | ||
| We have a mental health problem described as a gun problem. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| That is what it is. | ||
| It's a mental health problem. | ||
| And you've got to dig it. | ||
| What's the root of that? | ||
| Where are we generating all this? | ||
| Why do we have a mental health crisis on our hands? | ||
| What are the root causes of that? | ||
| And dig into that. | ||
| And nobody wants to. | ||
| Well, they do that with population densities. | ||
| Population density rat studies they do. | ||
| Mirrors human behavior. | ||
| When they have rats, and there's a lot of room for the rats to roam around, they behave normal. | ||
| They behave like rats. | ||
| But as soon as you get too many rats into an area, they start developing all these weird ticks. | ||
| Some of them sit in a corner and rock themselves back and forth. | ||
| They become way more aggressive, way more conflict. | ||
| They start caring about what pronouns you use? | ||
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Bah! | |
| There's too many different fucking opinions and ideas and humans. | ||
| That's what's causing a lot of what we're seeing right now. | ||
| And then it's compounded by social media because we're communicating in this ineffective way. | ||
| And also, a lot of people have been taught how to communicate in a kind way, in a friendly way. | ||
| How to have a conversation with someone that you disagree with and just talk to them like a genuine human being. | ||
| And try to see their perspective and try to find merit and steel man their perspective. | ||
| That's a very important thing for all human beings. | ||
| Like, if you're a person who's a liberal and you don't have any conservative friends, I feel bad for you. | ||
| If you're a person who's a conservative and you don't have any liberal friends, I feel bad for you. | ||
| Because you're not exposed to a variety of different people. | ||
| And there's some people that think ridiculous shit, but then they think really admirable shit. | ||
| And it might be the same person. | ||
| Well, and you may have some ideas that deserve to be challenged, that you should let go of, and they're never challenged because you never talk to anybody intelligent who has an opposing view that you might actually learn something from. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, this is a strange time because I think there's almost too much to keep track of. | ||
| You know, there's a fucking hundred million streaming television shows. | ||
| There's so much content to be absorbed from the internet. | ||
| There's so much content. | ||
| And people are constantly being distracted, whether it's by social media, whether it's by real life. | ||
| And to form like concise opinions, to have like a real understanding of why you believe something and what you believe, it takes a lot of time. | ||
| And it takes these kind of conversations, and the way we have this conversation, like you and I, put our phones off, sit across each other, and talk. | ||
| And it's weird, because we're doing it for a podcast, it's like a way that we probably wouldn't do in real life. | ||
| If we were doing this in real life, we'd probably go to dinner, we'd probably have some food, and talk, and we'd laugh, we'd talk some shit, but we probably wouldn't get heavy into something like that. | ||
| Like whether it's abortion, or, you know, we would probably see a different perspective and just let it go. | ||
| Yeah, well you don't want to get contentious at dinner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But the beautiful thing about the conversation we had was I don't even know if it was really considered contentious. | ||
| No. | ||
| We didn't see eye to eye on some aspects of it. | ||
| We do see eye to eye on other aspects of it. | ||
| That is what I think most of the country is on most things. | ||
| I think the problem is when people get rigid and they subscribe to only one ideology because they think they're supposed to. | ||
| And they don't formulate their own actual opinions on things. | ||
| And they don't want anyone else to be able to have a different opinion. | ||
| And that can happen on both sides, for sure. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And that's where I'm in full support of you guys. | ||
| And I think what Twitter did is wrong. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I think it's bad for them, too. | ||
| It's bad for their reputation. | ||
| It's bad for... | ||
| It's bad for goodwill. | ||
| You know, I think allowing conservative people to talk and joke around about stuff is just as important as allowing progressive people to make Trump memes. | ||
| I mean, you know, how many fucking hilarious comedy shit was made about Trump? | ||
| You know, it was great stuff. | ||
| You know, let me tell you, my favorite joke, actually, on that sheet that we were looking at for a moment was a Trump joke. | ||
| We did a joke about Trump in 2019. It said Trump. | ||
| And it was quoting him, I have done more for Christianity than Jesus himself. | ||
| And it's just like, you know, we're stuffing words in his mouth that he's never said. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| We're playing off his ego. | ||
| You know, he's claiming to have done more for Christianity than Jesus himself. | ||
| Didn't he say nobody loves the Bible more than me? | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| Didn't me and Whitney Cummings go over these things? | ||
| So, I mean, it was probably in the context of him saying that that we made this joke. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But anyway, this goes viral, right? | ||
| And people on the left are sharing it like crazy because they want to believe that he really said something like this. | ||
| They're just eating it up. | ||
| And so it goes mega viral, shared millions of times. | ||
| So Snopes gets involved and they fact check it and they made it false. | ||
| Like Trump never said this. | ||
| He did not claim to do more for Christianity than Jesus himself. | ||
| Then you fast forward to 2021. And he calls into some radio show, and he tells the host of this radio show that I've done more for Christianity and religion in general than any other person in history. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| So two years later, three years later, he's literally—and he took it a step further. | ||
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No! | |
| Yeah, because he didn't say, I've done more. | ||
| Our joke was he'd done more for Christianity than Jesus. | ||
| He actually said he's done more for Christianity and religion, all religions, than any other person in history. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He took it a step further. | ||
| So, I mean, I think it's a funny example for a couple reasons. | ||
| I mean, it got fact-checked. | ||
| You know, it was us making fun of Trump. | ||
| You know, we're always accused of being like, and I'm sure you're probably accused of being like a Trump supporter, even though you're like, you know, everybody, if you disagree with them on anything, they'll label you far right, they'll label you, they'll put you in Trump's camp, and there's no escaping that. | ||
| You know, you're aligned with him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we make these jokes about him, and... | ||
| They don't even realize we're joking about him because they think it's true. | ||
| And then it comes true. | ||
| It's just unbelievable. | ||
| Well, The Onion made a joke about Bernie Sanders supporting or accepting my endorsement that he shouldn't have done that because he shouldn't want to win. | ||
| Something was way better than what I just said. | ||
| I forget how it went, but it was hilarious. | ||
| Because that was the first thing that was canceled for, was saying I support Bernie Sanders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm like, how can you call me a Trump supporter when you say I support Bernie Sanders? | ||
| That's the dumbest fucking comparison ever. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I supported Bernie's idea about taking a little bit of stock speculation, taking a small percentage of that, and using it For healthcare and student loans and all that shit. | ||
| And public education. | ||
| I'm like, that would be a brilliant idea. | ||
| It's a brilliant idea. | ||
| Because it's a fraction of a penny from each transaction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's a great idea. | ||
| And he said it would generate an immense amount of money. | ||
| It wouldn't have an overall effect on the economy, he didn't believe. | ||
| I don't know if he's correct, because I'm not an economist. | ||
| I'd love to talk to an economist that would tell me that it's bullshit. | ||
| But it was a fascinating idea. | ||
| That's what I supported. | ||
| I'm like, that seems like a good idea. | ||
| Because in a lot of ways, I'm kind of a diehard hippie. | ||
| I really think that we could all get along together and do better. | ||
| But I'm also a realist when it comes to human nature and discipline and people's willingness to cave in to bad ideas and to self-loathing. | ||
| That's why I tell people, it seems like a trivial thing to exercise. | ||
| But I'm like, it's one of the most important things you're ever going to do. | ||
| Because it's hard to do. | ||
| And you need more hard physical things to do in your life. | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
| It keeps you robust. | ||
| It keeps your mind working well. | ||
| Resilient. | ||
| It keeps you resilient. | ||
| But more importantly than that, it's great for your mental health. | ||
| Because if you do something really fucking hard, it could be a 90-minute yoga class, a hot yoga class. | ||
| Those are the best. | ||
| If you do that, that's so fucking hard to do that the rest of your life will seem easier. | ||
| And that's what it's all about with people. | ||
| If you think about people that come from a really bad childhood and they have this incredible willpower, where the fuck do you think they got that from? | ||
| They got that from being beaten down. | ||
| And you can do that to yourself. | ||
| It applies to yourself. | ||
| And there's too many sedentary people in this country. | ||
| And those people are upset by almost everything. | ||
| Because their body is awash With fucking chemicals and hormones and corn syrup. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck they are. | ||
| They have no real foundation for who they are as a human. | ||
| They don't understand their human potential. | ||
| They've never pushed themselves past the boundary of where their inner bitch wanted them to quit. | ||
| That's important for you. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| It's important for human beings. | ||
| For all human beings. | ||
| But you can't force that on anybody. | ||
| You can't force anyone to do it. | ||
| No, but you can encourage people to do it. | ||
| Right, you can incentivize it. | ||
| You can tell, well... | ||
| Incentivize it how? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not saying I offer a disincentive that would be a penalty if you don't do it, but incentivize it positively somehow. | ||
| A lot of workplaces are trying to incentivize getting healthy. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| They'll give you some kind of benefit for if you work out, if you use the gym. | ||
| And then the people that don't work out claim discrimination. | ||
| Like, you're fat shaming me. | ||
| I have a hormone problem. | ||
| Yeah, you probably do have a hormone problem if you fucking eat terrible food and get to be 600 pounds. | ||
| You're gonna have a hormone problem. | ||
| You're gonna have a lot of problems. | ||
| Your whole body's dying. | ||
| Cholesterol problem. | ||
| Yeah, you got a lot of issues. | ||
| How stupid, though, that you mentioned that was like the initial cancel attempt on you because you voted for Bernie Sanders or you supported, you endorsed him, right? | ||
| It's like, Imagine going to a comedy show and you see there's a comedian and you've heard of him and it's supposed to be a funny show. | ||
| So you go to buy tickets and then you want to know first off, wait a minute, who did this guy vote for? | ||
| How is that relevant to whether or not you're going to enjoy the show? | ||
| I want people to ask that question. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's important because if you want that answer, I don't want you showing up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I want that. | ||
| Ask that question, please. | ||
| Ask who I voted for. | ||
| I know, but it's just the stupidest question. | ||
| It's a great question. | ||
| Weed those people out, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, what a stupid thing to be like, what, you're not going to laugh at his jokes if he voted for someone that you don't like? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| His jokes are funny or not, you know? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They stand on their own. | ||
| They're funny or not. | ||
| And that is what we're supposed to be doing. | ||
| And this, who do you support? | ||
| I don't want to support who you support. | ||
| That was one of the crazy things after Biden won, where people were calling for blacklists of people who supported Trump, people who publicly endorsed Trump or talked about Trump. | ||
| They were talking about making them unhirable. | ||
| I'm like, do you know how crazy that is? | ||
| Accountability Project, they called it or something like that. | ||
| But you know how crazy that is to do to fellow Americans, to try to remove their livelihood? | ||
| You're coercing them into... | ||
| That's a disincentive. | ||
| You're penalizing them for not going along with what you want. | ||
| Where do you think this is going? | ||
| Do you think the children are going to suffer? | ||
| The person's going to lose their job? | ||
| What if they become homeless? | ||
| What is going to happen? | ||
| What kind of a physical abuse is going to happen to these people? | ||
| What horrible things are you enacting on people that are a part of that person? | ||
| Who knows what kind of devastating effect that's going to have on the rest of their family? | ||
| What if that person commits suicide? | ||
| What if because they lost their job, because they got canceled, because they supported Trump? | ||
| That's real shit. | ||
| People have killed themselves for very minor attacks on Twitter. | ||
| I mean, some people are very vulnerable, and if you want to be this super sensitive, woke, kind, compassionate person, you're supposed to apply that to everybody, okay? | ||
| You're not supposed to only apply that to people whose opinions agree and align perfectly with yours. | ||
| You're supposed to look at people that are Trump supporters or whatever supporter they are that you disagree with, DeSantis supporters, and you're supposed to find common ground with them and find out why do they like that person and And try to have a communication line with them where you're both being kind and friendly and just trying to talk about stuff. | ||
| Well, you're certainly going to have better success if your goal is to change their mind. | ||
| You're going to have a lot better success treating them as a person than vilifying them and calling them names. | ||
| Right, but punishing them by removing their livelihood. | ||
| Because they, maybe in your eyes, were incorrect about their political support. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That sounds more like fascism. | ||
| It is fascism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, pull up the definition of fascism. | ||
| Because a lot of times it gets equated to the right, but I don't think it's supposed to be. | ||
| I think it's supposed to be whoever's in charge. | ||
| Like if Mao was on the left. | ||
| State authority. | ||
| And it's going to have to do with state authority. | ||
| And so they're going to try to differentiate it from fascism by saying, well, you're just being held accountable for your actions by people who don't want, you know, it's the market working. | ||
| It's Right, but you're doing that at the benefit of the state. | ||
| You're an actor for the left-wing party. | ||
| That's what you're doing if you're penalizing people for—they're going to lose their job. | ||
| They need to show, by the way, the last date this definition was edited because they change these things all the time. | ||
| But look at this part. | ||
| A tendency towards or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Early instances of army fascism and brutality. | ||
| Forcible suppression of opposition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| I mean, that's part of the definition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A political philosophy, movement, or regime such as that of fascist... | ||
| Fascist-y? | ||
| Fascist-y? | ||
| Oh, goddamn these fucking problems. | ||
| They always get you. | ||
| They're like, ooh, not right now, bitch. | ||
| That exalts nation and often race above the individual. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| It stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. | ||
| That easily could be the leader of a fucking social media platform. | ||
| Severe economic and social regimentation. | ||
| Equality of outcome and forcible suppression of opposition. | ||
| Banning you from social media for disagreeing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Banning you and forcing you out of your job for disagreeing. | ||
| It's aligned with that type of thinking. | ||
| It's a control-based, problematic thing that we've always agreed leads to horrible results. | ||
| It doesn't lead to good results if it's applied to a good cause. | ||
| It's still a bad philosophy. | ||
| It's still a bad thing to completely discourage or attack opposition like that and make it so that they can't talk. | ||
| It's not good for anybody, and I know it's not dictatorial in terms of it's not actually the government, but god damn, they're so in line with them. | ||
| It's so obvious that they'll do things that benefit the side that they want to, and that's never been more clearly expressed than during the Hunter Biden time. | ||
| That's wild shit, man. | ||
| Leading up to an election, you're insulating your preferred candidate from criticism. | ||
| And it's the New York Post. | ||
| That's where it's wild. | ||
| It's one of the oldest newspapers in the country. | ||
| That is a long-established newspaper. | ||
| Yeah, they talk a lot of shit. | ||
| They have funny headlines. | ||
| But it's New York. | ||
| You kind of have to have funny headlines. | ||
| It's part of the charm of those papers. | ||
| Jack Dorsey came out and said they messed that up, right? | ||
| Didn't he make a statement and say Twitter messed that one up? | ||
| Jack Dorsey is a different animal than Twitter itself. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Jack Dorsey is an interesting guy, very thoughtful guy, and I think it's great that he stepped down, he stepped away from Twitter. | ||
| His philosophy is that it should be decentralized, and he's working towards doing something like that now. | ||
| Yeah, something new. | ||
| Yeah, he also wanted to... | ||
| I mean, he had an idea that wasn't popular amongst the other people at Twitter. | ||
| He wanted to have a Wild West Twitter. | ||
| He wanted to have a regular Twitter, and then they're like, whee, 4chan Twitter. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That would have been crazy. | ||
| I wonder which one would have been popular. | ||
| If there was no, like, suppression of Wild West Twitter, that would have been where everybody was fucking shooting guns. | ||
| I mean, are we talking, like, even unlawful speech? | ||
| No, I think they were always going to have no doxing. | ||
| Because Fortune has stuff like that. | ||
| No doxing, no calls to violence. | ||
| I mean, the First Amendment doesn't protect all speech. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's really in line with the First Amendment. | ||
| I think that was the idea behind it. | ||
| That they were going to have your ability to express yourself. | ||
| Regardless of the language you use. | ||
| What's wild about Twitter is you can show porn. | ||
| It's really wild. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| The content moderation should be – the idea behind giving them immunity to moderate content was to be able to take down things that are like objectively indecent or lewd or obscene. | ||
| You know, like content that like – Well, I think it was mostly to protect people first. | ||
| I think it was more about doxing and harassment. | ||
| I mean, it's all in there. | ||
| It's in the language of Section 230. Right, but that's where they started it. | ||
| They started it in response to doxing harassment. | ||
| They didn't respond to pornography. | ||
| But all that stuff is there. | ||
| Yeah, but they don't have a problem with that. | ||
| They don't have a problem with pornography. | ||
| It's very interesting because, like, I follow... | ||
| They don't have a problem with harassment either, by the way. | ||
| I mean, look at libs of TikTok. | ||
| And, like, libs of TikTok will simply showcase, like, what's happening. | ||
| They'll post a video of something. | ||
| They'll say, oh, there's this family-friendly drag show coming up, you know, like, and this is a flyer that's being publicly advertised, you know? | ||
| And then they will go hard like doxing and intimidating and trying to harass and shut up this account that's drawing negative attention to things that they don't want to receive negative attention. | ||
| It's like they're doing what they say you shouldn't be allowed to do, but it's justified when they do it because they don't like the activity or the speech of the person that's saying it. | ||
| See, the thing about Libs and TikTok is people look at it and then they make this defense. | ||
| And this defense is this is not indicative of the greater whole of educators or of liberals. | ||
| You found an egregious example of a far left loon and everybody is now going to attack everyone in that group. | ||
| But that's not, you can't, but it's not, it's not like what libs of TikToks is posting is fake. | ||
| Right, it's not. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| These are real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're much more prevalent than people realize. | ||
| Well, we're dealing with a lot of humans. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the other problem. | ||
| We're dealing with 330 whatever million people we have in this country. | ||
| You're gonna find a lot of really ridiculous people. | ||
| And if you highlight those really ridiculous people, it does have the unintended consequence of forcing people into thinking that's happening everywhere around them. | ||
| And then people who are not doing anything remotely like that get lumped into that same group. | ||
| That's what people are scared of. | ||
| And their overreach to do that is to ban the word groomers. | ||
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Right. | |
| Their overreach is to stop your ability to express yourself. | ||
| The overreach is to ban libs of TikTok. | ||
| That would be the overreach. | ||
| Well, the way that they lump themselves into the group, like libs of TikTok won't explicitly lump everyone into the group. | ||
| They'll just showcase the content. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But they will lump themselves into it by defending. | ||
| Those things. | ||
| They'll say, well, why can't a teacher talk to children about sex and gender? | ||
| Why can't they demand that they be addressed by certain pronouns? | ||
| Why can't they be the confidant that children come to because their parents won't accept them for who they are? | ||
| So they're the mom and dad now, and they're going to be loving and affirming of that child. | ||
| They defend it. | ||
| So they come and defend it. | ||
| So it's not like these are outliers that they're saying, oh, no, no, we want nothing to do with that. | ||
| We don't believe in that. | ||
| They actually defend it hard. | ||
| They go in hard defending it. | ||
| Media Matters, all these people, they go in hard. | ||
| And they suggest- And defend, what are they defending? | ||
| They're defending the insane videos and the behavior that's exhibited in insane videos. | ||
| I think we have to talk about that on a specific case-by-case basis because some of the videos, those people are insane. | ||
| Like the thing they are saying is insane. | ||
| I would like to see if they defended that. | ||
| I mean, I gave a couple examples. | ||
| They'll defend, for example, teachers coming out to their children and talking about sex and gender, talking to them about critical race theory and how white kids should – giving kids an assignment where the white kids have to move to the back of the room and the black kids move to the front to separate them and show how white kids are privileged. | ||
| Now we're going to have the blacks at the front and the white kids need to be quiet right now. | ||
| Are they doing that in classes? | ||
| Yes, they're doing that in classes. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| What classes are they doing that where they make all the white kids sit in the back of the room? | ||
| It was an assignment. | ||
| That seems like racial discrimination. | ||
| So it was one assignment for like one day? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But they defend this stuff. | ||
| And we did one. | ||
| We actually highlighted one of them. | ||
| Okay, but if you wanted a kid to feel like what it would feel like if you were a black child living in the early 60s, if you wanted to express how wrong that is, wouldn't you do it that way? | ||
| Like, for an exercise, you're not talking about, like, if this was like every day, I would say that is fucking crazy racial discrimination. | ||
| But for an exercise, to let kids, white kids, know what it would have been like, to let everybody know, even the black, hold on, even the black kids, to let them know what it would be like. | ||
| Let's imagine, if this was 1963, this is how we would have to do it. | ||
| Okay, so I want all the white kids to sit back there and all the black kids to sit here. | ||
| And then you would say, See how terrible that would be? | ||
| If I treated you only by something you have zero control over, what your ethnicity is, and not by the color of your skin or the content of your character, as Martin Luther King would want you to do it. | ||
| And then you could actually bring the kids together with an understanding that at one point in time, there was horrific racism, and it was prevalent all throughout America, and that people like Rosa Parks did have to sit at the front of the bus and get arrested so that people understood that this was going on, that people did have to sit at that counter. | ||
| And let people know that this is a real thing that's going on, and this is contrary to the way we should all feel about human beings. | ||
| I agree with that 100%. | ||
| If the lessons were ever framed in the context of the content of your character matters more than the color of your skin, then it would be totally different. | ||
| How do you know they're not, though? | ||
| Because we're looking at the lesson materials, like what's being exposed. | ||
| It's a lesson where it's talking about how white people are privileged. | ||
| It's all about white guilt. | ||
| It's all about whites are an oppressive race. | ||
| They're privileged. | ||
| And to acknowledge your privilege, you need to do it. | ||
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So they're teaching about a present issue. | |
| But a lot of it is about the history of slavery. | ||
| That's the reason why they're doing it that way. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| These are critical race theory lessons that are trying to say that you are – that currently in our current system, the current system privileges white people and not black people. | ||
| You're guilty just because of your skin color for being white and you need to be quiet right now. | ||
| But it's because of the history of slavery, right? | ||
| That's how they look at it. | ||
| Well, that's how they look at it. | ||
| This is the example. | ||
| But they're not suggesting that all that matters is your character, not your skin color. | ||
| They're suggesting your skin color matters very, very much. | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| But what I was saying was I could see how that exercise would work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why I was saying it that way. | ||
| If you had a really good teacher and they explained it in that way. | ||
| I think it'd be less objectionable for sure. | ||
| You would say, this shouldn't be the case with white people in the back. | ||
| It should be the case with no one. | ||
| You should be judged as an individual. | ||
| How about one Libs of TikTok did where kids... | ||
| Kindergarteners. | ||
| Kindergarteners. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Age five? | ||
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Kindergarteners. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Six? | ||
| Five, six. | ||
| Six first grade. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sent home with a masturbation assignment. | ||
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What? | |
| The masturbation assignment was to find a private place in your home where you can touch yourself without being disturbed. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Real. | ||
| Jesus fucking... | ||
| I might have retweeted that and I'm saying, what? | ||
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What? | |
| Masturbation assignment for kindergarteners. | ||
| I mean, this kind of stuff, it's like... | ||
| Shocked but not, because I did read this one thing where they were talking about kids that were preteens, and they were describing different ways that people have sex. | ||
| And I'm like, I just don't necessarily think that's your place. | ||
| It's a complex thing that I don't necessarily want taught by someone who I don't even know. | ||
| I don't know what you're like. | ||
| I don't know how you're going to say this. | ||
| Are you going to say this in a way that's promoting a certain thing? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Because children are very malleable, and most people want to be the ones, other than the world itself, but in terms of authority figures that are explaining things, you don't want someone explaining things to your kid that you absolutely don't agree with. | ||
| Right, or that you don't think they're ready for yet. | ||
| Yes, and you don't want that... | ||
| It should happen on your timing. | ||
| You want it to be, look, I've had some great teachers, but I also had some fucking dummies. | ||
| Some real dummies that said some stupid shit to me, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember, I mean, a teacher kicking me out of the room, telling the class, don't laugh, because he's never going to amount to anything. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Like, Mr. Rogan's never going to amount to anything. | ||
| And I remember like, why would you say that to a fucking eight-year-old? | ||
| Now, did you internalize that? | ||
| Is all of this, is this, your whole trajectory now in your career is to stick it to that teacher? | ||
| I definitely remember her. | ||
| I'd be like, ha ha. | ||
| But it was me cracking a joke in class. | ||
| But the whole point is like you shouldn't say that to kids. | ||
| If you're a fucking teacher, you shouldn't say to a kid, you're never gonna amount to anything. | ||
| That's a crazy thing to say to a kid. | ||
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Not your place. | |
| Not your place. | ||
| That's messed up. | ||
| Now that I think about it, I think I was 14. But it's not a thing that you should say to a kid. | ||
| It's a rude, shitty thing and if you're an adult and that's what they're gonna get from you, that's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy talk. | ||
| And that is a problem with And expressing any complex ideas that may have a very nuanced... | ||
| There's nuance to all of those conversations. | ||
| And you might not want this person who's not that bright, not that good at expressing themselves, and very biased, to explain something to your kid that's going to cause an argument at home. | ||
| Because then the kid's going to bring something up, and you're going to be like, where did you hear this from? | ||
| Or to tell your kid that, you know what, you don't have to confide in your parents about this. | ||
| Don't tell your parents about this. | ||
| Come to me about these issues. | ||
| That's where it gets crazy. | ||
| That is grooming behavior. | ||
| And you can't even call it that anymore. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| I mean, that follows right in the definition of it. | ||
| You're most certainly tutoring someone towards your perspective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're most certainly influencing them. | ||
| Well, and you're positioning yourself as a mentor and confidant. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, somebody that they can trust more than their own parents. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yes, and maybe their parents are dicks, right? | ||
| So maybe you can get a leg up on the parents. | ||
| They like you even more than the parents. | ||
| It's a weird thing because children are so influenced. | ||
| They're so easily influenced by their environment. | ||
| Children are so malleable, dependent upon the area they grow up in. | ||
| They'll have different personalities or different accents, rather. | ||
| They'll have different things that they gravitate towards, different sports because the community enjoys them. | ||
| Kids are so goddamn malleable with almost everything. | ||
| They're malleable with religion. | ||
| I think that's why this transgender craze, and it is a craze, it's legitimately a craze, the numbers are off the charts with all these young people that are now identifying as either non-binary or some other gender. | ||
| That's Abigail Schreier's position. | ||
| And it's just gone off the charts. | ||
| And Bill Maher was talking about this actually recently where he's like, what are all these kids, all of a sudden they're born in the wrong body? | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, is it really that we're just more accepting now and that's why, or are we actually influencing kids in this direction? | ||
| Well, the idea that we're not influencing kids is ridiculous because we influence them with everything, you know? | ||
| I mean, this is one of the arguments about violent movies, right? | ||
| Or violent video games. | ||
| We're influencing kids. | ||
| Violent songs. | ||
| Don't play Ozzy Osbourne backwards. | ||
| Remember all that shit? | ||
| The whole reason for like a parental guidance warning on a rap album from like the 1980s when Tipper Gore was promoting that shit, the whole reason is you're influencing kids. | ||
| That's the whole reason. | ||
| The whole reason is, like, if you're an adult, you can go to the R movie. | ||
| But I don't want a 17-year-old seeing it because it'll influence the kid. | ||
| It'll fuck with you. | ||
| You can go to R movies at 17. Oh, is it 16? | ||
| 16, you can. | ||
| 16? | ||
| Well, NC-17. | ||
| Fact check. | ||
| I'm thinking of NC-17, right? | ||
| NC-17, you have to be over 17 to go. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Yeah, it's, uh, the whole thing is, you know, it's just no one wants to look at both sides of it. | ||
| No one wants to look at both sides of it. | ||
| Everyone wants to think that you have to like buy wholesale all the ideas of either the left or the right Depending upon which group you align with which group you decide you align with that's where it gets weird with people because if you're like a progressive open-minded compassionate person and then you watch two professors having a conversation about kids under 13 should be forced to have sex and Because we force them to do a lot of other things. | ||
| We force them to clean their room. | ||
| They do a lot of things they don't do. | ||
| Why shouldn't we force them to have sex? | ||
| That's a real conversation I saw on Libs and TikTok. | ||
| That's fucking wild that they're trying to make an intellectual argument about whether or not children should be forced to have sex and about how they've been that way throughout human history. | ||
| Like this arbitrary age that we put on people. | ||
| I think it should concern us more than anything else, this effort to stamp out not just the dissent, not just the different opinions, but the jokes. | ||
| It's the jokes. | ||
| You know, like the fact that we can't joke about this stuff is really disconcerting. | ||
| And I know you can't. | ||
| I mean, you know, your show is, you know, it's the censorship from these platforms that are hosting your content that you put them onto. | ||
| I think our ability to be able to laugh at these things that deserve to be laughed at, it's so vitally important for the health of society that we not stop that and shut that down. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think it's super important. | ||
| I couldn't agree more. | ||
| It's very important whether you agree with those people or not. | ||
| You've got to have discussions. | ||
| Oh, I mean, both sides deserve more mockery than they're currently receiving. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Both sides deserve more. | ||
| We need more Babylon Beasts. | ||
| We need more of them. | ||
| There should be more entering the space and feeling free to say what they want to say rather than everyone learning that, oh, if you follow in the Babylon Beasts footsteps, you're going to get shut up. | ||
| And I'm glad you guys mocked Trump, because if you didn't mock Trump, I mean, if you didn't mock some of the more ridiculous shit that guy says, you know, it's like... | ||
| We mock everybody. | ||
| He's well open for it, just as Biden is well open for it. | ||
| If you stop people from mocking Biden being old as being ageist, you're out of your fucking mind. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's the leader of the goddamn free world, and he's shaking hands with ghosts. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, this is wild. | ||
| This is wild shit we're seeing in real time. | ||
| And if you tell me that's off the table, you're out of your mind. | ||
| You're out of your mind. | ||
| Oh, you're a MAGA supporter if you talk about those things. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| How about you just see in reality? | ||
| This is fucking crazy. | ||
| If you see one of them Kamala Harris speeches, which is like, time is the passage of time based on seconds and then minutes. | ||
| The significance of the passage of time. | ||
| Significance in one day. | ||
| If you don't mock that, you're not paying attention. | ||
| Her comments she just made about the space telescope that we put out there. | ||
| She was like, I had a very intellectual response to these images when I first saw them. | ||
| And it was, wow. | ||
| An intellectual response she had. | ||
| Well, I think she's probably joking. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| She was dead serious. | ||
| She was dead serious. | ||
| She went on about how space is, you know, we've accomplished this, we've done something, and now we need to continue doing something, because space, we accomplished it, and now we need to also continue to accomplish it. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Does she not have a script that she can follow? | ||
| Can someone not write a speech out for her that she can just read? | ||
| Well, people keep quitting. | ||
| Hasn't she had, like, a shit ton of people quit? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like a nutty number, right? | ||
| How many people have quit? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've seen articles about staffers just, you know, dropping like flies. | ||
| Find out how many staffers. | ||
| Maybe they just let her make her own speeches. | ||
| Like, you go. | ||
| Go ahead, do your own thing. | ||
| She's got a teleprompter at all these events. | ||
| Maybe she doesn't want to. | ||
| She can just read it. | ||
| Maybe she wants a free ball. | ||
| Maybe she's working on her act. | ||
| It's awesome, though. | ||
| Well, what it is, is it shows you whether or not a person's real. | ||
| Because a real person has real ideas. | ||
| Like, if a person is actually just trying to be themselves and tell you this is my take on things, you'll get that from their words. | ||
| But when they just say nonsense, it's because they're not being real. | ||
| There's nothing there at all. | ||
| Staff Exodus continues as top advisor, speechwriter. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| She lost her speechwriter. | ||
| That's recently. | ||
| So how many people have left? | ||
| That's the answer. | ||
| Does it say? | ||
| Speech writer was also departing after fewer than four months on a job. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| You write this fucking groovy speech, make her look like a wizard, and she goes up there, the time that we're enjoying is different than the time of other times, where people were not enjoying their time. | ||
| 13 key staffers have left the VP's team in as many months, including chief of staff, chief spokesperson, deputy press secretary, deputy chief of staff, communications director, director of digital strategies, director of advanced, director of... | ||
| What is that? | ||
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Advanced... | |
| Director of Advance. | ||
| Oh, Director of Advance. | ||
| Deputy Director of Advance. | ||
| Director of Press Operations. | ||
| Deputy Director of Public Engagement. | ||
| Speechwriting Director. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| National Security Advisor. | ||
| Everybody's like, fuck this, I'm out of here. | ||
| Now, is that when it says they left, does that mean that they mean they resigned, all of them? | ||
| They got out of there. | ||
| Or were some of them let go? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I think when they say left, they meant quit. | ||
| Otherwise it would be fired. | ||
| She's like a female Trump. | ||
| You're fired, Jetson! | ||
| Right. | ||
| The whole thing is wild, man, because it's like that is the type of person that can't speak. | ||
| They can't just speak about their position on ideas. | ||
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No. | |
| They've got to kind of dance around with bullshit because they're bullshitting you, right? | ||
| Like if that was Tulsi Gabbard and you asked her to give her opinion. | ||
| She'd give you a thoughtful... | ||
| A very thoughtful, very well phrased response about any particular important issue because she actually thinks about them and she formulates her own independent opinion. | ||
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She's impressive. | |
| She's very impressive. | ||
| She formulates her own independent opinion of those things. | ||
| And that's what's terrifying to her, about her rather, that's what's terrifying about her to the government. | ||
| You can't control her. | ||
| You can't just tell her to play ball. | ||
| She actually has ethics. | ||
| And she actually has a very clear opinion on things. | ||
| And she's not willing to go along with the hive mind. | ||
| I gotta tell you another joke that came true. | ||
| It was about how Kamala's staff was hiring Hillary Clinton's staff as consultants to try to make Kamala more likable. | ||
| It's like the last person in the world you go to for likability is Hillary Clinton. | ||
| And then it came true. | ||
| A month later, a report came out that her staff had reached out to Hillary Clinton's staff to try to figure out how they could make Kamala Harris more likable. | ||
| It's a month later. | ||
| Well, imagine, though. | ||
| Why Hillary Clinton? | ||
| Who goes to Hillary Clinton for likability lessons? | ||
| This is why. | ||
| You don't go to Hillary Clinton. | ||
| You go to the people who made Hillary Clinton so likable that she could run for president. | ||
| Because imagine if you just let her go on her own. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, if she didn't get any public feedback, you'd just get her honest opinions about things. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It'd be a bloodbath. | ||
| Oh, she just don't tell you whatever the polls say she should say. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But then there's moments where you catch her. | ||
| Like, you remember that moment when she was being interviewed, and it was right after Libya killed, the rebels killed Gaddafi? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She's like, we came, we saw, he died. | ||
| And she laughed. | ||
| She had that comment about Benghazi, what possible difference does it make or something, what difference does it make? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The basket of deplorables or something, or redeemables or whatever, wasn't that her? | ||
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Deplorables. | |
| Yeah, absolutely it was her. | ||
| That's not that bad. | ||
| That's just stupid politically because you're mocking literally like half of the people in the country. | ||
| But the things about, like, mocking this guy who we kept in power being, like, ruthlessly murdered by those rebels. | ||
| Like, you can watch it. | ||
| Like, you can watch the video where this guy shoves a knife up Gaddafi's ass. | ||
| You can see his face while this guy runs up behind him with this knife and shoves it up his ass. | ||
| And he's in full shock. | ||
| He can't believe they have him. | ||
| He can't believe he's captured. | ||
| And he barely reacts when this guy shoves a knife up his ass. | ||
| I mean, you can see that. | ||
| You can see his dead body and the rebels. | ||
| Like, anybody that would think that's funny, that scares me that that person would be in any sort of position of power. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Because the thing that a person... | ||
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Something off. | |
| There's something off. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| To see it... | ||
| Look, if you're happy that that person's gone and you want to express that in a sober way, you want to say the world is better off without Muammar Gaddafi running Libya, okay. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| But if you're laughing, laughing about a person who got a bayonet up his asshole, I mean, it was like, you've seen it, right? | ||
| I mean, it's a big-ass knife. | ||
| It looks like one of those knives that's on the end of a rifle, and he just shoves it up his ass. | ||
| Like, that's not something that anybody should ever laugh at, even if it's to the worst person. | ||
| The worst person dying like that, like, that's not funny. | ||
| I mean, maybe it'll make you happy if that person's a killer and they've killed a bunch of people and someone runs up behind them and shoves a knife up their ass. | ||
| I'm glad that guy did that. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, but laughing is a crazy way to react. | ||
| It's a weird reaction. | ||
| To someone getting brutally murdered by a group of rebels. | ||
| Not very likable. | ||
| It doesn't make you very likable. | ||
| I feel like Kamala Harris' response to everything is laughter. | ||
| She throws her head back and cackles at the most serious thing. | ||
| Well, she doesn't do that anymore. | ||
| You notice that? | ||
| She's better about it. | ||
| She's learned how bad it was, how bad a look it was. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Constant. | ||
| It would be a serious topic she'd be challenged on and her initial response was to laugh nervously before she would reply. | ||
| Well, she's mocking things, right? | ||
| And she's mocking things knowing that she's got this army of supporters. | ||
| That's the thought process behind it, like mocking it. | ||
| Yeah, like Tucker Carlson throwing his head back and laughing at something. | ||
| But less... | ||
| His is less gross. | ||
| The way she does it is fake. | ||
| It's always fake. | ||
| There's no reason to be laughing in that moment. | ||
| It's just this strategy that she has to mock ideas that don't align with the ideas that she has. | ||
| It's just not good. | ||
| And then there's also to just portray this sort of persona of being a very happy, fun person who's laughing a lot. | ||
| That's good, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| But it's fake. | ||
| It's just a weird... | ||
| It's an act that a person could put on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she doesn't do it as much anymore, which shows you that it's fake. | ||
| Yeah, she's been reined in. | ||
| Well, she's been exposed. | ||
| Maybe it was Hillary's staffers. | ||
| Yeah, maybe they said, listen, we told Hillary, you've got to stop laughing about murder. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| What's in this? | ||
| Coffee. | ||
| You want some? | ||
| Coffee? | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| Get some of that. | ||
| Black rifle's finest. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand why we can't get more really good candidates, people that, whether it's congressmen or senators. | ||
| It's good, solid stuff, right? | ||
| It's good coffee. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's just hard to find people who want that job, you know? | ||
| I mean, who the fuck wants to have your life picked apart like that? | ||
| Who the fuck wants to be the target of at least half the country hating you? | ||
| A lot of people who want power are willing to put themselves through that for the power. | ||
| That's the problem, right? | ||
| And that's something we don't want to acknowledge. | ||
| The type of people that want those jobs are not really the type of people we want to have those jobs. | ||
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| Yeah, I remember in A Gladiator when Marcus Aurelius is going to make Maximus his successor, and he goes, I want you, not my son, to be my successor. | ||
| He goes, with all my heart, no. | ||
| And he's like, Maximus, that's why it must be you. | ||
| It's because you don't want it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen with Trump? | ||
| What do you know about the raid, the FBI raid? | ||
| I have no inside knowledge. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Come on, he calls you. | ||
| I think he did retweet us a couple times. | ||
| He retweeted me a couple times, too. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| I was laughing my ass off. | ||
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I was like, the fucking president retweeted me. | |
| I think that the people who are arguing that he's been given a ton of fuel, like they just poured rocket fuel in his engine, I think that's absolutely true. | ||
| I mean, if you just look at the fundraising he's done off the back of this already. | ||
| Right, but what did they- Absolutely the case. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't mean in terms of politically. | ||
| I mean, like, legally. | ||
| Like, what did they find? | ||
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Oh. | |
| And is he actually in trouble? | ||
| Because I think the goal was to try to knock him out of the 2024 elections, right? | ||
| By trying him for crimes. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do you know what he did, Jamie? | ||
| Has it been absolutely released, what they caught? | ||
| I don't know that yet, but holding onto boxes of documents... | ||
| Is it really about confidential information that he shouldn't have had in his home that was so important they couldn't just ask for it? | ||
| They had to go in there and get it? | ||
| Well, I think the problem is having it, right? | ||
| Because if you have it in an unsecure location, meaning unsecure in terms of the government's protection, It's not locked up in archives. | ||
| It's not in a place that's very difficult to access. | ||
| You have control personally over the access to something that's top secret. | ||
| If that's the case, then that's a problem because that safe could be open. | ||
| People can get in there. | ||
| People can get the code. | ||
| They can copy it. | ||
| They can send it to China. | ||
| Yeah, but do you think that's a genuine concern or is it they want to find something, anything that they can use to prevent him from running again? | ||
| I think both things are valid. | ||
| I think if they're just doing that and they're using the FBI in a way that they would never use it against Hillary Clinton and they're going after him in a way they would never go after Ghislaine Maxwell's client list. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| There's no interest in that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then we have a real conversation. | ||
| But it doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a real conversation about should someone have access. | ||
| Now, I don't know what the files were. | ||
| I have zero idea whether or not they were okay for him to have or declassify. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I think the argument would be if you're not supposed... | ||
| If there's a fucking whole chain of command about classified documents. | ||
| This is the law on classified documents. | ||
| And you decide to violate that law because... | ||
| You think you can. | ||
| I just wanted to keep them. | ||
| And you just keep them in your safe. | ||
| I don't know if that's what happened. | ||
| But if that is what happened, someone needs to be held accountable for that. | ||
| You're not supposed to do that, right? | ||
| You're not above the law and you can't decide that you're not going to follow the law because you know better. | ||
| And I don't know if that's the case. | ||
| I think where people lose, where they don't care about that, is because they're like, okay, you know, if you're going to be selectively enforcing laws like that, and just turn a blind eye to Hillary deleting emails that have been subpoenaed, and all of that, and the... | ||
| A blind eye to Hunter Biden trying to act like this is not a story until you're forced to admit that it is. | ||
| It's the double standard that makes everybody say this is persecution. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And so even if there was something that was done that was wrong, they're still choosing to be selective about going after him in a way that comes across as they're after him doing what they wouldn't normally do to someone on their own side. | ||
| If it was Hillary Clinton's home, they'd have no interest in what's in her safe. | ||
| Because she'll kill them. | ||
| Jokes. | ||
| Yeah, I see what you're saying. | ||
| I see both sides, though. | ||
| I see the side that if you're an anti-Trump person and you find out that he's doing something that's against the law, you'd want to prosecute it for it. | ||
| I see both sides. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I don't know the specifics of the Hillary Clinton email thing in terms of what those files were, but if they're the same classification, Of files as like he had you could make the argument they were more vulnerable because they were on a regular laptop Well, and it's still destroyed after a subpoena after a subpoena I mean imagine imagine if Trump was subpoenaed for this information instead of handing it over he burned it, right? | ||
| That is where shit gets really squirrely. | ||
| Yeah Gets really squirrely. | ||
| And it's like, what punishments are there for that? | ||
| Is it zero? | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Not a fucking thing. | ||
| And everybody's just like, you know what? | ||
| Didn't she have... | ||
| She has a hat for sale that says, but her emails. | ||
| But her emails. | ||
| She's capitalizing on it. | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| But her emails. | ||
| I wonder if amongst people that are on the right, now a black hat with white letters will get your ass kicked. | ||
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Because... | |
| You know, like the MAGA hat? | ||
| You could have a MAGA hat that said anything. | ||
| Like, I saw a lady get maced in the face, because she had a hat on that said, it was a red hat with white letters that said, Make Bitcoin Great Again. | ||
| And she was at one of those protests, there's a video of her. | ||
| People thought it was a MAGA hat. | ||
| Yeah, and some guy maced her in the face. | ||
| He pepper sprayed her in the face because she had a red hat with white letters about Bitcoin. | ||
| That's assault by the way. | ||
| It is assault. | ||
| Well that happened a lot at those fucking anti-Trump protests. | ||
| It's just the problem is that he was such a divisive character that he became a great enemy for the other side. | ||
| He wasn't like a statesman Who, like, you know, you could criticize his policies and his positions, you could say he's heartless, all you want, but he represents the United States in a statesmanly way, and, like, no, Trump's, you know, he's a wild guy that, like, encourages people to hate him. | ||
| Do you think DeSantis would demand or command more respect from the left? | ||
| The left still hates him, but they don't hate him the same way they hated Trump. | ||
| They try to, but he's more reasonable, he's very, like, level in the way he talks about things. | ||
| He's firm, though. | ||
| Yes, but you know what I'm saying? | ||
| He's not an insulting character. | ||
| Trump's a character. | ||
| Part of what he's doing is doing comedy. | ||
| It's like he's doing stand-up when he's up there. | ||
| When he makes fun of Biden and makes fun of other people, he's doing fucking stand-up. | ||
| He really is, and he kills. | ||
| It's, he's got this thing, you know, and that thing is, like, everybody who's with him is fucking really with him. | ||
| And everybody who's against him is really, really against him. | ||
| And he, like, encourages it. | ||
| You know, that is what I think is not good. | ||
| That part of it. | ||
| I get where he comes from, because that's what made him, fighting against the haters. | ||
| But when you're a president, that's a different role. | ||
| That's a different role than being the fucking host of The Apprentice. | ||
| And a lot of people hope that when he got in there, he was going to abandon that and just be common sense, get shit done. | ||
| But no, he's on Twitter calling his ex-girlfriend a horse face. | ||
| Saying about Kim Jong-un calling him Little Rocket Man. | ||
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He's fucking wild, dude. | |
| What else did he say about Rosie O'Donnell? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Didn't he call her a fat pig? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
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Something like that, yeah. | |
| I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was nasty. | ||
| Oh, he says horrible shit. | ||
| He calls her a loser all the time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people think it's hysterical. | ||
| They do? | ||
| And they do have something like the but her emails thing. | ||
| But his mean tweets. | ||
| You know, like he could sell shirts and stuff about that because it's like, you know, yeah, well, yeah, a lot of people will say, yeah, I don't approve of his tweets. | ||
| I don't like his tweets. | ||
| No, a lot of people would say that. | ||
| A lot of people on the right will say that. | ||
| This is where I think they have hope in DeSantis, that he wouldn't do the same kind of things. | ||
| He would never tweet things like that. | ||
| He would never call Kim Jong-un little rocket man. | ||
| All that shit was hilarious. | ||
| It was funny. | ||
| He would never call his ex-girlfriend horseface. | ||
| That kind of stuff is, in many people's eyes, in a lot of conservatives' eyes, it's unbecoming of the commander-in-chief. | ||
| Beneath the office, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's the argument against it. | ||
| You know, the argument for him was his economic policies that people think were better and if we didn't have COVID, didn't hit, we would have been in a better place financially. | ||
| And the argument is as the economy grows, it gives more opportunities for everybody and everybody sort of does better because the economy is doing better. | ||
| And this is like in the anti-Marxist, anti-socialist argument. | ||
| Is that a strong economy where these businesses are killing it is better for everybody because then there's more jobs, there's more opportunity, there's more... | ||
| And then other people say, well, no, because it's a small percentage of people that are getting the most benefit. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to get there. | ||
| They're playing a game, and this is the game. | ||
| It's like a giant game of Monopoly. | ||
| You're trying to get the most amount of resources. | ||
| That's what they're doing. | ||
| And if you want to cap that, you're not going to get people playing the same game with the same... | ||
| I'm not saying they should be able to steal. | ||
| But I'm saying competition. | ||
| If you want to be a Rupert Murdoch, maybe that's a bad example. | ||
| If you want to be someone who's head of some gigantic industry that's worth billions and billions of dollars, like Jeff Bezos, buying the biggest yachts and fucking flying around the biggest jets. | ||
| That guy played a game. | ||
| And he got to the highest level of the game. | ||
| And it's the same game that most people are playing. | ||
| That game is do the best for yourself financially. | ||
| Now you can say that he did it at the expense of unions. | ||
| You can make all these arguments that I would probably agree with. | ||
| You could say he did it in a way that undercut family businesses. | ||
| I'd go, hey, maybe, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good argument. | ||
| But at the end of the day, he's playing a game. | ||
| It's a legal game, and he got way ahead of that game. | ||
| And you could say, well, now he's at the head of the game. | ||
| He's got too much influence over the other players of the game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how the game works. | ||
| That's how the game works. | ||
| It's a fucked up game. | ||
| But it's way better than communism! | ||
| It's fucking way better than the Soviet Union! | ||
| It's way better than what's going on in China! | ||
| It's fucking way better than what's going on in North Korea! | ||
| It's way better this way! | ||
| Well, think about how convenient it is that anybody can order anything they want from Amazon at any time. | ||
| You know, have it delivered straight to their house. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not in any way, shape, or form an anti-Bezos guy or anti-industry guy. | ||
| There's a way to have ethical capitalism. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| You know, and it could be done by regulating things correctly. | ||
| It could be done by, you know, whatever. | ||
| Whether it's tax structure or whatever it is. | ||
| It could be done. | ||
| It could be done. | ||
| It's just like you're playing a very specific game. | ||
| And that very specific game is always going to encourage people to win. | ||
| And they're going to try to make more money every month. | ||
| They're going to try to make their fucking stock the biggest thing so they can get that bonus. | ||
| And that's what they're doing. | ||
| They have an obligation to that. | ||
| If you want to say that game sucks, you want to say you don't want to play in that game, that's fine. | ||
| But that is the game that this country runs on. | ||
| And to just throw the fucking board up in the air, I don't think is the solution. | ||
| Yeah, well, and I mean, usually the people who are saying that are people who aren't very good at playing the game. | ||
| Or they're early on in the game. | ||
| You know, maybe they're just out of college, which makes sense. | ||
| If you're just out of college and you're making $24,000 a year, and you're looking at people that are worth billions, and then you're seeing homeless people, and you're a kind, compassionate young person, and these professors are teaching about Leninism and Marxism, and you start to espouse these ideas, like, I get it. | ||
| I get all of it. | ||
| I understand how a young person... | ||
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I just don't get how... | |
| I don't get how... | ||
| Personally, I don't get how, as a young person, you look at someone like a Jeff Bezos and all the success he's had, and you're not inspired to go out there and work your butt off to, like, get to that level versus feeling envious or resentful and saying, oh, that's not fair that he did that. | ||
| But it's natural. | ||
| It's natural to feel envious or resentful. | ||
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| I never had those thoughts. | ||
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Well, congratulations. | |
| Never had those thoughts. | ||
| I always looked at successful people, and I'm like, you know, like, what was... | ||
| What did they... | ||
| How did... | ||
| How did they operate? | ||
| How did they think? | ||
| Did you get that from your parents? | ||
| What kind of books do they read? | ||
| What kind of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| My parents didn't instill in me a business mindset. | ||
| My dad was a pastor. | ||
| I grew up in a church. | ||
| Most of what they instilled in me was values. | ||
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| Most of what they instilled with me had to do with values and faith and doing the right thing, not getting ahead in the business world. | ||
| They were never like, oh, we want our son to go to the finest business school and become successful. | ||
| They judged success in much different terms in terms of how big your bank account is, which is great and important. | ||
| But as a young person when I was in college or before, looking at people who were successful, I never – and we weren't successful. | ||
| My dad said pastors don't make a lot of money unless you're the pastor of a big megachurch that's telling people to be healthy and wealthy if they just give you more money. | ||
| My dad didn't pastor a church like that, so he had a very meager salary, and we had a very middle class, lower middle class upbringing. | ||
| And so, I don't know, I always, but I always looked at wealthy, successful business people, entrepreneurs with, like, I had huge admiration for, like, what they were able to accomplish. | ||
| How brilliant they are, how hardworking they are, what they put into that. | ||
| Well, it's kind of interesting because we celebrate that in a lot of other areas. | ||
| We celebrate that in sports. | ||
| We celebrate that in art. | ||
| We celebrate the overachievers. | ||
| The problem is that comes in a lot of people's eyes with victims, right? | ||
| Like, the overachieving capitalist comes with victims. | ||
| Victims, the environment is a victim, the people are the, you know, the lower class is a victim, the mom, there's like a lot of bodies along the way in their eyes. | ||
| And also, We're talking about how malleable people are. | ||
| I mean, if you're in the university system of 2022, you're 100% at least being exposed to a lot of these socialist ideas and Marxist ideas and very progressive left-wing ideas. | ||
| And they're more popular than conservative ideas by a large margin. | ||
| You're going to have a lot more victims if you get rid of that system and do it a different way. | ||
| By a large margin, though, the university systems are leaning towards the left. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so these people, they're looking at this, they just left their parents' house, maybe they disagree with their parents, maybe their dad's an asshole, and now they're at this university. | ||
| And this professor, who's so eloquent and so interesting and so well-read and well-traveled, and they're saying these things that are so opposed to the way they grew up, but make so much sense. | ||
| Like, oh, I'm going to do the right thing now, and I'm going to fight for this right. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's tapping into people's sense of right and wrong. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And trying to say, look, you don't want to leave a trail of victims in your wake trying to climb to the top or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't get rich in business the way that Bezos did without offering something of value and employing a ton of people, which is a tremendous good. | ||
| And it's just like anything. | ||
| Like, when you look at... | ||
| There's trade-offs to everything. | ||
| Free will has trade-offs. | ||
| The fact that you have freedom to do whatever you want means that you can be loving, good, kind, and charitable. | ||
| But guess what it also means? | ||
| It means you can take the wrong turn, become a criminal, take advantage of people, be a scumbag, mistreat people, be cruel to people, mean to people. | ||
| That's the downside of free will. | ||
| But the upside... | ||
| The upside more than makes up for that. | ||
| The fact that any of this good stuff is possible makes up for the fact that the bad stuff is possible. | ||
| You're never going to have any system that you could possibly think of that doesn't have downsides that are offsetting to the positives that are worth having. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, I think you're correct. | ||
| And I think that looking at it the way you're looking at it... | ||
| To say that you grew up the way you grew up is very interesting because I think having a firm set of ethics and morals when you grow up is very advantageous because you realize like later in life if you do the right thing you'll feel better regardless of the result. | ||
| Like, you do the wrong thing, but you benefit, you feel guilty. | ||
| It's bad for people. | ||
| Like, if you're a person that has made your living in an institution where you're working at some sort of a corporation and you poison the environment in order to succeed and make more profit, but you hit your goal, but then you realize that there's a dead lake in Ecuador now and all these people are suffering and getting cancer. | ||
| That's happened before, right? | ||
| That's the bad side of it. | ||
| And you either become a callous sociopath, or you gotta find another line of work. | ||
| Because a lot of people just become callous sociopaths, and they continue that behavior. | ||
| So the way you grew up is so beneficial, because having a strong foundation of ethics and morals is what we should all strive for. | ||
| It doesn't mean you can't succeed. | ||
| It just means you shouldn't succeed at the expense of things that you know are evil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is the problem with unchecked capitalism. | ||
| That's the problem when they're allowed to go to third world countries, where there's no regulations, do wild shit, and pollute rivers, and fuck up the environment. | ||
| They do that, and they do that because it's profitable. | ||
| That's our problem, is that what you are saying, and what a lot of Christians are saying, that grew up in this way, is more important to do the right thing. | ||
| That's the most important thing. | ||
| I think we should all agree on that. | ||
| I think we should, yeah. | ||
| And it's going to benefit you in business, too, to some extent. | ||
| I mean, will you necessarily be as successful as somebody who's like cutthroat and doesn't care if their employees are underpaid or not well treated or you're taking advantage of somebody in a process or ripping somebody off? | ||
| I mean, you're not going to be as maybe successful as them, but you bring values. | ||
| You honor your word. | ||
| You know, you make good on your promises. | ||
| You do those types of things. | ||
| And that reciprocates in ways that are valuable in business. | ||
| And that comes back to help you. | ||
| I mean, if you leave enemies in your wake all over the place, like you cut off, you damage and destroy relationships because you're dishonest in business. | ||
| You take advantage of people or you poach from them in nasty and unethical ways. | ||
| Like, I mean, you're going to... | ||
| You're going to create more problems for yourself than you solve, even if you get ahead in the short term. | ||
| They think they can stay ahead of that. | ||
| Maybe not the best example, but if you have a really good product, you can stick by your ideas, is Chick-fil-A. A lot of people oppose Chick-fil-A for their anti-LBGTQ ideas and gay marriage and stuff, but they don't open on Sunday. | ||
| They're leaving billions of dollars on the table, and they're like, Sunday's the Lord's Day, which is crazy for a fast food place. | ||
| To have that take, but meanwhile, they're everywhere. | ||
| They're fucking killing it. | ||
| Every time I go buy Chick-fil-A, it's a giant-ass line. | ||
| Don't you always crave Chick-fil-A on a Sunday? | ||
| It's like the only time I think I want Chick-fil-A, it's Sunday, and I'm like, I can't go. | ||
| It's closed. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Jesus said don't eat. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You want what you can't have. | ||
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I don't know why it's bad if you still go to church and still work. | |
| It's still possible to keep Chick-fil-A open, but they don't want it. | ||
| So look, it's not that I align myself with Chick-fil-A's values, but I'm saying like if you have a great product, you can stick by your thoughts, even if they're not the best thoughts. | ||
| You can stick by your ethics and your morals and you can still be successful if you have a great product. | ||
| So that's where the idea of like ethical capitalism could come in. | ||
| You know, like moral, ethical capitalism. | ||
| Like, it's still okay to compete in the marketplace, but it's not okay to lie. | ||
| It's not okay to pollute environments. | ||
| It's not okay to do some of the shit that we know the corporations have done, lie about studies and do different things where they try to proclaim their innocence. | ||
| It's not okay to pretend that you're a free speech platform and then moderate political viewpoints that you don't like. | ||
| How about that one? | ||
| Let's put that one on the list. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is, a lot of people would think it's less consequential than corporations doing evil things, but it's still bad. | ||
| It's still not the optimal way to do things. | ||
| But I think part of the problem is, I'm going to keep coming back to this, but I think part of the problem is the format itself, the way people communicate in that text format It's just shitty. | ||
| It's just a shitty way to get thoughts across to people where you're going back and forth with them. | ||
| It just leaves too much to the imagination. | ||
| It's too many openings to be an asshole. | ||
| It's not a good way for human beings who are designed to communicate, look at each other in the eye, reading emotional cues, reading tone and the context of the conversation. | ||
| That's how people are supposed to talk. | ||
| In any other way, I don't think it's good for you. | ||
| It's the reality of the world we live in, though. | ||
| It's just like with your kids and social media. | ||
| There's never going to be a physical town square anymore where you go and have a debate about the issues of the day with your neighbors. | ||
| But you should at least encourage people to not engage with people like that. | ||
| I think that idea needs to get out there in a way that more people resonate. | ||
| That's not good for them either. | ||
| It's not good for anybody. | ||
| I have friends who do that Twitter beef back and forth shit with people. | ||
| And when they do it, they have anxiety all day. | ||
| I was talking to this one friend who's like, I couldn't walk down the street 10 feet without checking my phone to see who replied. | ||
| So I'm walking around almost bumping into people. | ||
| Just freaking out. | ||
| Because he's in some sort of a weird Twitter conflict. | ||
| I can raise your blood pressure, too. | ||
| You get all anxious. | ||
| He couldn't sleep. | ||
| You said he couldn't sleep. | ||
| Snap at people. | ||
| I've had that happen where I'm engaged in some Twitter spat with somebody, and my kid comes up to me. | ||
| My son will come up to me and ask me for something, and I'm like, not now, and dismissing him. | ||
| It's like, what did I just do? | ||
| I just treated this Twitter spat with more respect than my own son. | ||
| That's not healthy. | ||
| It's bad for you. | ||
| It's bad for you. | ||
| And I understand if you have a point, if someone's saying something that's not true, and you want to correct it, or you want to argue against it, or you want to say something about them, like, this is so hypocritical because of this. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I just think it's a shit way to communicate. | ||
| That's why I don't do it. | ||
| It definitely detracts from our ability to see other people as ends in themselves and not as means to ends or as an object to dunk on so that we can score some kind of points and generate more followers or likes. | ||
| People don't exist for that purpose. | ||
| No. | ||
| Shouldn't be abused for that purpose. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's one of the areas where I think a faith like the Christian faith comes into play in seeing people as more than just simply organisms. | ||
| Conscious organisms. | ||
| Everybody's made in the image of God and that we all have an inherent intrinsic value and we shouldn't be disrespected for that reason. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think instilling values like that is going to be a lot more beneficial in those kinds of arenas than trying to tell people what they can and can't say. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I think so too. | ||
| I just don't know how the two of them find common ground right now. | ||
| Because right now, the ideological battleground is so fucking rigid. | ||
| There's trenches dug in the center, and everybody's got guns pointed at the other side. | ||
| It's like, how do we make that thing where, like, the Germans and the Europeans played soccer? | ||
| Was it World War I where they broke the trench? | ||
| Did they do that? | ||
| Yeah, they played soccer and hung out. | ||
| It was a big deal because, you know, they had a truce and a ceasefire, and I think it lasted a few days, and they went back to shooting at each other. | ||
| Find out that story. | ||
| It's a crazy story. | ||
| I believe it's World War I. That's kind of profound, honestly. | ||
| Well, most people don't want to be engaged in a fucking gunfight with people they don't even know. | ||
| They're not even sure why they're doing this, and they're doing this because their leaders have told them to do it. | ||
| There's times where that's knowable to do, like Nazi Germany's sweeping across Europe. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| I'm not opposed to that, but I'm saying most of those people did not want to be there. | ||
| Most of those people did not want to shoot at some person. | ||
| They don't even know. | ||
| And most of those people don't even agree with the thing they're being forced to enforce. | ||
| Because they're fucking peasants. | ||
| They're just... | ||
| Some guy got pulled out of the fields, and they put him in a uniform and gave him a rifle, and they're sending him to the front line. | ||
| That's the reality of war to those people. | ||
| So when they got together and hung out for a couple days... | ||
| They became human. | ||
| It must have been so fucked when they started shooting at each other again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Did you find it yet? | ||
| The first story I found was about, like, myths on it, so I was trying to make sure some stuff was real, but I just... | ||
| I think there's photographs of it. | ||
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Yeah, it happened. | |
| It was just, there's some stories that have been, like... | ||
| Exaggerated. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Pull the story up, though, because we've got to end soon. | ||
| Let's see what we've got here. | ||
| Soccer in the trenches. | ||
| Remembering the World War I Christmas truce. | ||
| So it's real. | ||
| So, um, do-do-do. | ||
| German lieutenant in the first war. | ||
| He disappeared forever in the Soviet Union. | ||
| The second in 1999, his son Rudolf found his dad's diary in the attic. | ||
| This is what Zemich Sr. recorded for Christmas Day 1914. A couple of Britons brought a ball along from their trenches. | ||
| And a lively game began. | ||
| How fantastically wonderful and strange. | ||
| The English officers experienced it like that too. | ||
| That, thanks to soccer and Christmas, the feast of love, deadly enemies briefly came together as friends. | ||
| It was one of several impromptu soccer matches played between British and German soldiers in no man's land that Christmas. | ||
| For one day, and in some sectors of the line for several days, the enemies made a spontaneous peace. | ||
| A century on, these games transfix Europeans." We all grew up with the story of soldiers from both sides putting down their arms on Christmas Day, says Prince William, president of the English Football Association. | ||
| No wonder Because this extraordinary story suggests an alternative history of the 20th century. | ||
| Many people, including some veterans of the war, have doubted that these games were ever played. | ||
| The story seems too good to be true. | ||
| Indeed, Jeff Dyer in his 1994 book, The Missing of the Somme, dismisses it as myth. | ||
| Some historians believe the truth is somewhere in between. | ||
| Others contend that the impact of the games has been overstated as we witness the Premier League of FA and other organizations commemorate the moment. | ||
| So it happened. | ||
| Seems like it happened. | ||
| And that is a good story. | ||
| It's a horrible ending, but it's a good moment in a terrible story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's a great ending, I guess, in terms of the result of the war, but it's a horrible ending for those people that had to go back to shooting at each other when they realized they had common ground and they could just hang out together. | ||
| So you think the liberals and the conservatives can have a day of peace and come together on Twitter and lay down their arms? | ||
| I would hope they could do it individually, one-on-one in real life. | ||
| Yeah, I'd like to see more of that. | ||
| People would learn how to do that, but I think it's a learned skill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I think if... | ||
| A lot of people have a conversation about something that they disagree with, even in real life. | ||
| They're so used to communicating in this kind of shitty way that I think they would just engage in the standard and scream at each other. | ||
| I mean, those Karen videos that you see, people yelling at each other about wearing a mask or yelling at each other about, you know, you support Hitler, whatever it is. | ||
| Those crazy conflicts that people have in real life, that's not the way to do it either. | ||
| It's just human beings are in this weird stage of information overexposure and social media and just an incredibly volatile world right now. | ||
| I mean, there's so much uncertainty and there's so much anxiety that people have about international conflicts for the first time in a long time. | ||
| People are genuinely worried about our relationships with China and Russia. | ||
| Scary shit. | ||
| And so people are just ramped up with anxiety already. | ||
| And then, you know, even if you get them together in public, they might scream at each other. | ||
| But I think that if people could learn how to not do that, they could learn how to just communicate, I think we could get along a lot better and we could find common ground. | ||
| I think that's what we all want. | ||
| I don't think we're ever going to come to a time in this world where they're not conservative people and liberal people. | ||
| I like what you said earlier about steel manning your opponents instead of straw manning, you know, like actually giving them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they're actually a rational thinking person who's considered, you know, the evidence or whatever and has reached conclusions in good faith and respect that. | ||
| And even if it's different than what you believe, like respect that and be willing to have a dialogue with them about it. | ||
| Without the assumption that they came by their views in bad faith or that they're stupid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're ignorant. | ||
| They just haven't done enough research and just belittle them. | ||
| You're never going to get anywhere with that, with anybody. | ||
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Agreed. | |
| Agreed. | ||
| Well, listen, man, I appreciate you coming by here. | ||
| It was really fun to talk to you. | ||
| I appreciate your website. | ||
| You guys make hilarious memes. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It's fucking really funny shit. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| And I'm glad you're out there. | ||
| And I wish you'd get back on Twitter. | ||
| I really hope they let you back on. | ||
| You know, I was hoping that when Elon, if he bought it, and maybe he still will, maybe they'll force him to buy it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| If he, you know, opens that up a lot more and lets a lot more freedom of expression on both sides. | ||
| Yeah, we'll see. | ||
| I hope that that happens. | ||
| Or if that doesn't happen, there's got to be some other solution. | ||
| Because I think Elon is absolutely right. | ||
| This is the town square. | ||
| And if it is the town square, then we do have to have some consideration for First Amendment rights because otherwise we don't have free speech privileges in the town square. | ||
| Do you think there's any potential for real third party site, a second site, like something that mimics what Twitter does but has a better sort of open-minded approach that doesn't just get dominated by right-wing people or dominated by left-wing like something that mimics what Twitter does but has a better Open-minded approach that doesn't just get dominated by right-wing people or dominated by left-wing people. | ||
| I mean, there's been attempts. | ||
| A parlor was a great attempt initially, and then look what happened with, you know, Amazon and Apple and everybody. | ||
| What did happen? | ||
| They got deplatformed because they were blamed for January 6th. | ||
| It was this whole thing. | ||
| It's like, oh, all this hatred and all this planning was happening here. | ||
| So they're not on the App Store anymore? | ||
| They got back. | ||
| They got back. | ||
| But, you know, people moved on and went to other things. | ||
| You know, like, Parler's still there. | ||
| But the problem is this, and this is what I say over and over and over again when people ask me about alternative platforms. | ||
| There's a place for these platforms. | ||
| I think they should exist, and I think they should try to honor the free speech principle. | ||
| The problem is the left doesn't want free speech. | ||
| I say this all the time. | ||
| They don't have a problem with hate speech. | ||
| They just hate speech. | ||
| When they say misinformation, they mean opinions they don't like. | ||
| When they say hate speech, they mean opinions they don't like. | ||
| They mean bigots are people they don't like that have opinions they don't like. | ||
| So they're not going to want to be on a platform that honors free speech. | ||
| You have to force it on them, essentially. | ||
| It has to be by the law. | ||
| It can't just be, oh, here's a free speech platform. | ||
| Let's all go there. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| But I think one of the ways that that could happen and one of the only ways in terms of having a platform is if Elon buys Twitter. | ||
| Because if you really did open it up, I think most of the people that are addicted to Twitter, the progressives, the left-wing people, they're going to stay on it if they're not censored. | ||
| They're going to stay on it. | ||
| I think they'll stay on it. | ||
| And if they can develop these little environments where they can block everybody they don't like and limit comments to people who follow them, they can still sort of regulate their own feed. | ||
| Yeah, block who they want. | ||
| If you have 8 million followers on Twitter, where are you going to go? | ||
| I mean, you're going to leave Twitter to go to some other, start your own platform? | ||
| Right, that's the argument. | ||
| That's the problem that conservatives have had. | ||
| It's like, it's hard to build a platform, especially if it's going to be just for your own... | ||
| Like, they're not going to have 8 million followers if it's just for leftists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're going to have a lot less than that. | ||
| They've got followers from all sides. | ||
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| That's the value of Twitter. | ||
| Right, and that's the problem with something like Parler, is because the right-wing people go over there when they get kicked off Twitter, or they don't think Twitter's supportive of it, and then it becomes so right-leaning that the left-wing people don't want to go over there. | ||
| Right, and this is the thing. | ||
| I think that, you know... | ||
| There should be, like we're talking about, we're very idealistic in this conversation, talking about how people should behave and how they should treat each other, and it's, you know, is this really going to happen? | ||
| I would love to see more people. | ||
| I love when I hear people, like, when people ask me who my favorite comedians are, my favorite comedians are anybody who's, like, willing to make the jokes you're not supposed to make and speak the truth and stand up for free speech and this nonsense cancel culture stuff pushing back on that. | ||
| When Bill Maher is talking about, you know, the importance of free speech, you know, he's very hard on Twitter. | ||
| He talks about how they do need a new sheriff. | ||
| Like, it's been run poorly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Someone like Bill Maher would be happy, I think. | ||
| I don't even know if he knows what Parler is. | ||
| But he'd be happy to join a place like Parler and bring other people from the left with him because they could actually benefit that discussion. | ||
| They could provide a counter to those other arguments. | ||
| More people from the left should be willing to jump in the pool and swim with others. | ||
| Not the men in the women's pool, by the way. | ||
| But, you know, the ideological pool. | ||
| The ideological pool. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Thanks for the laugh. | ||
| I don't know where this is going to go, but I hope it goes in a good direction. | ||
| I think, like all things, this is a very disruptive technology. | ||
| It's shaking up the world. | ||
| And I think, well, hopefully, cooler heads will prevail. | ||
| We'll find a rational solution. | ||
| But I think a lot of it depends on these kind of conversations. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| So thank you very much. | ||
| The website is BabylonBee or TheBabylonBee.com? | ||
| Babylonbee.com. | ||
| Babylonbee.com. | ||
| Yeah, subscribe and support us. | ||
| I mean, we have, you know, we're getting deplatformed left and right. | ||
| And you guys have a podcast as well, right? | ||
| We got a podcast, YouTube channel, putting out a lot of video content. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Thank you very much, Seth. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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