Jeremy Corbell’s Bob Lazar documentary reignited Joe Rogan’s UFO fascination, sparking debates on military footage of cubes with translucent spheres—fired upon in war zones like Syria and the 2019 USS Omaha swarm—defying aerodynamics. Corbell dismisses claims these are balloons or drones, citing controlled flight and missing retrieval programs, while referencing Lazar’s gravity-defying tech and Russian reverse-engineering efforts. The 2023 National Defense Authorization Act’s whistleblower protections hint at suppressed breakthroughs, yet Corbell argues transparency is growing despite historical cover-ups like Project Blue Book. Global interest persists, from ancient depictions to modern satellite mysteries at Papoose Lake, but the core question remains: who operates these machines—and why? [Automatically generated summary]
So that was my introduction to Mickey, but he's got this voice that's like a fucking Tibetan monk, you know, like gravelly.
And I know because I had to take his audio.
And listen to it.
And it's just, it's so bizarre.
And I thought, who better to do this, like, controversial story than the controversial Mickey fucking Rourke talking poetry, you know, through the film.
So he was kind of that voice of our curiosity in the film.
So that's how I got him.
But basically, I just sent an offer, and he never responded.
So I went back to the tattoo shop randomly one day to see Mark.
In walks Mickey, and I made a joke.
It was like, oh, you just like to poke me with a stiletto, but you don't take my movie offer seriously.
And he goes, what offer?
And I'm like, I need a narrator.
In the next seven days, I have to deliver the film.
And he goes, I never got the offer.
The next fucking day, he came in, because I know Mark was telling him, help the kid out.
He came in, and he fucking recorded with me.
He saved my ass, man.
Otherwise, they'd have to hear my voice in the movie because I didn't have anybody.
The world, in my opinion, has really changed since we started talking about this.
So our history is, you know, you asked me to come in with Bob.
We did that.
Okay, the idea that there's craft, that maybe our government has some and been reverse engineering them.
And then came in with Fravor, and we talked about his personal military encounter.
And then our history goes to then George Knapp is here, who's like the godfather of the history of this.
Bam!
After that episode, man, things started really going crazy.
And this is where our Senate and Senate Intelligence Committee and our Congress and our Senate was like, we want a preliminary report.
We now know that there were these UFO programs, ASAP and AATIP. We want a report.
And remember that was like pending, that was looming, a report's coming.
So George and I made a little plan to poke the bear.
You know, we're like, what can we put out that is like good, solid evidence that shows we need to talk about this?
So that's when we took the opportunity to make those drops, right?
And those drops were nine pieces of visual evidence that were filmed by our military.
So if people were watching along that time, you'd see that in a series of a month, I think, we released images from an F-A-18 out the window where they're saying they're seeing these things every day, photographs from an iPhone.
I obtained and released video of That was confirmed by the Pentagon in a rare move the next day on some of these drops, that these are real unidentifieds, that they're being studied, and they were filmed by our military.
It's like, maybe someone just wants me to make a mis- Everybody would love for me to be wrong on shit, and make a misstep, and then they can discount everything else I've ever released.
Well, there's good video, and we should go through the pieces of footage, but the one on the left is what they're seeing every damn day on the East Coast.
That one would be considered one that has a payload or could have a payload.
So most are spheres.
Like...
With cubes in them.
That is the strangeness of it.
Most of them are cubes surrounded by a translucent sphere.
Most of them that are on the East Coast right now with increased frequency and also over war zones.
So right now, people went so fucking crazy when I said this, and I know we're jumping around.
That's okay.
Over active war zones right now, there is such an increased frequency of what they call UAP or UFO that they have these rules whether or not they fire upon them.
And people got so mad at me for saying publicly on the news that we do fire at UAP, UFOs, because we fucking do.
But why we do is not what people think.
So when you have an active war zone, specifically the area of the world that I'm talking about in the Middle East, anything within 27 to 30 miles of ground troops gets fired upon.
That's it.
But I was exposed to documents that tell me a little bit more precisely how you choose what to fire upon.
And what you fire upon is anything that appears that it could have a payload.
What do they do with, like, the cubes surrounded by these spheres?
Fucking nothing.
Because they don't look like they have a payload.
So they disregard.
They're not part of the mission.
So my point in saying that, kind of on the news, I don't need to prove to anybody it's true.
It is true.
I speak with people that are there right now.
It is true.
And there's been such an increased frequency since 2021 that it has been pushed up to kind of like critical, where they're like, okay, these things are in our airspace.
We could have collisions.
But more importantly, we see other countries firing on these.
That's one of the weirdest things about Commander David Fravor's account, is that when he was talking about being in radio communication with the Nimitz, and they were saying, we see these things every day.
And he was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You see this every day?
You see these tic-tac-shaped things that shoot off faster than you can see, and that literally can go from above 50,000 feet Above sea level.
I think there's something about the whole feeling of it that seems so weird.
It's almost like alternative timelines.
The whole feeling of it feels so weird.
It's also...
The problem is, all of it is so exciting and so interesting that you get lost in the excitement and it's very difficult to get an objective mindset, to achieve an objective mindset.
It's very hard for me to be objective, because I love it so much.
But we got a UFO there, we got a fucking alien up there.
We've got shooting stars in the ceiling.
It's so obsessed with it.
But I have this bizarre feeling that the more we understand about reality, the more we're going to realize that these physicists, these string theorists that create these models of the universe based on multiple dimensions that we can't Access.
I mean, there's, I think they think there's 11 dimensions, right?
Let's see if it's up to 26. There's 11, like, agreed upon, but there's, I've read that it goes up to, there could be up to 26. I don't even know what that means.
Does that mean that there are existences inside these dimensions like other universes and worlds?
They just exist in a different dimension?
And is that what it means?
I mean, this is like some Doctor Strange type shit.
I mean, are there, you know, the thought of alternative timelines, that there's consistently different timelines that are happening simultaneously, like an infinite number of them.
And that you accessed all of them depending upon your choices and how you live your life and what you do.
And that we think of this as being like a static state of existence, but it's actually not.
That we float back and forth between all these different potential timelines and existences.
I see those things, the way they travel and the way they move, and I wonder, like if there were interdimensional travelers that had access to technology that just violated all of our understanding of how you could travel, that's kind of what it would look like.
There's evidence to support that, and there's evidence to support the extraterrestrial thing, and there's also evidence to support that they're showing us whatever they want us to see.
So this idea that you could pop in to our timeline, that is consistent with what we see with these things, In that they seem to, it's like there's a bubble around an area, and they seem to kind of come in.
Some people can see it, some people can't.
Sometimes it's on radar, sometimes it's not.
Sometimes you can see it in thermal, but you can't see it in the IR. A lot of military guys see that when they track these things on radar.
Can't see it visually, but it's fucking there.
So this idea, there's consistency with the idea that they kind of pop into place right there.
There's also data that would suggest that these are extraterrestrial and that our satellites pick these up.
Now, head of, I don't remember what, John Ratcliffe, who was the deputy director of defense, I think, he talked about that.
He mentioned that.
So all these admissions from people now, we're catching these on satellites.
We're catching these, so that's space, in our airspace and then undersea as well, a USO or whatever.
Nothing public yet that I know of, but I am hyper aware of footage, sonar-based evidence undersea.
If you noticed in the congressional hearings on UFOs, first time in 50 fucking years, by the way, When they brought that up, the undersea thing, they said close session.
Couldn't say it fast enough.
Like, we're not gonna talk about that public session.
Yeah, and that was the thing that really flipped my script is the idea of like when I heard him say that when I was a kid instead of pushing to get somewhere because look the argument has been Of course, there's life out in the universe.
Look at the fucking web, you know, photograph.
Of course, there's gotta be life homogeneously out there, but they're never coming here.
I feel like I'm doing a horrible job of getting people up to date with what's happening in the UFO, because so much has happened, it's like overwhelming, but yes.
So what's happened is, if we follow the steps, All of a sudden, George and I release all this content.
People go kind of crazy over it.
Then, they put out this preliminary report and say we had 143 cases and we solved one of them.
And these are like military cases where there's extraordinary movements with these crap.
Then all of a sudden Congress is like, well shit, you know, we had ASAP, we had ATIP, who's studying this?
Let's get a hold of it.
And they got real interested.
So they started saying, hey, we need to start a program.
Then the Department of Defense came up with some crazy ass acronym names that nobody could ever make out.
AIMSOG and shit like that.
And Congress got even more pissed as the way I read it.
I mean, I know some of the people involved and their minds have been blown by what they've seen in these classified briefings.
It changed their whole way of thought and they realized that there are programs being hidden, illegal programs being hidden from congressional oversight related to UFOs.
So their language now is It wasn't created in a void.
When you read in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2023, UAP. It is UFO whistleblower language.
If you've ever signed an NDA relating to one of these illegal programs without oversight dealing with UFOs, not only can you come forward, but they have changed it so that if there's any reprisal on you for coming forward, like let's say you work at Lockheed and you've been tinkering with some fucking UFO, and there's any reprisal on you, You have ways to defend yourself.
They took away the cap of $300,000 of what has to be awarded to you if there's reprisal.
Holy shit!
All of a sudden, and I know why, because I know some of the people involved in this, they're going to let people...
They're demanding that if you have this information, you can ignore your NDAs.
I think it's a perfect storm and I'm just gonna, this is just, you know, I'm not part of Congress and shit, so I'm gonna make an assumption from people I've talked with, right?
I think what's happening here is the world has kind of become aware that UFOs are not fantasy, that there is a technological aspect, and that they fly within our skies with impunity.
And I think that this was stigmatized before, and I think we're talking about it now.
And I think having that conversation has really made people say, hey, I want to fucking find out if it's true.
And then when you read classified briefings and you see the data, even the preliminary shit, I think it changes your worldview.
So what's happening is, let's say Lockheed, because Senator Harry Reid has said in his interviews with George publicly, I heard for decades that they had, you know, Kraft at Lockheed.
And he goes, I asked, Senator Harry Reid, I asked to get in there and to see it.
And he goes, they wouldn't give me the clearance.
So he just straight said it.
They wouldn't give him the clearance.
So that kind of thing infuriates people, right?
Now, imagine this.
Imagine that you get people take action against you for talking about this stuff like Lou Elizondo.
You know, people, you know, Lou's a straight guy.
Straightforward.
You know, I've gotten to know him.
There were actions taken against him.
Kind of like what Lazar said happened to him, but this is much more public.
They're saying he never worked in these programs.
Harry Reid had to go defend him in a letter.
There's other people that are not public, that also have had their careers try to be squashed because they're poking around on this stuff too much.
They have gone internally to say, this has happened to me.
Here's what I discovered.
These are the programs.
And then what's occurred is the investigatory branches that are looking into this, they're like, holy shit, this is real?
I mean, it was within a hundred mile radius because all the ships that were in this area were experiencing most of them simultaneously what they call swarming.
But the thing is, is that I know for sure we don't know yet whose these were.
Do they have a protocol for what to do in those situations?
Like if you do encounter a UAP or UFO or whatever you want to call it, and they think it might be from an alien planet or whatever the fuck they think it's from, do they have a protocol?
I know I know spend your goddamn camera money on but do you understand that this is why I could release it is because this is an unclassified Platform that's being filmed otherwise that would not be cool of me to release it So there it looks like it just went into the water.
Right.
And so the thing is that there were many that were doing this.
One of the people that was involved with these ships fighting the ships, I was like, dude, where did they come from?
Because you've got great radars and you have all the data.
And he goes, I'm going to really regret saying this, but they just seem to appear.
Which is so hard for someone who's, like, their job is to, you know, deal with the ship.
Yeah, he said that there was one that they had spoken about at S4 that they said they had recovered from an archaeological dig and they said it was a long time ago and it's really old.
I think people need to not feel like they have to believe one thing to believe the whole thing.
I think there's a cumulative weight here, and I think that we're prying open the doors.
If you read this language in Congress and Senate about the UFO immunity, Our world is about to change if we stick to our guns, if we push to get these answers.
That's the other thing that Bob said that I thought was really fascinating was that there was some documentation that they were showing him that claimed that we are the product of accelerated evolution.
Explain the element 115 to people because people who don't know what we're talking about that haven't seen the documentary or haven't seen the podcast we did together.
You know, even like aerospace people are like, Well, it's the most ingenious thing, is the way he described it, powered.
People are impressed by it.
I'm like, maybe that's just what he saw.
But anyway, so the 115 was the power source, he said.
And basically, you put it in, and it releases antimatter and creates a gravity propulsion, a gravitational field, and then you had three-directional emitters.
Look, that's how they think these things operate.
Traveling faster than the speed of sound with no sonic boom, transmedium, all domain.
These things seem to defy typical propulsion.
It's not outside of the realm of what we understand.
It's outside of the realm of what we can replicate now.
Proven by a particle accelerator and Bob Lazar's claim was that they had a stable Amount of this element 115 that had come from this other place and did they know where this other place was where this Element 115 supposedly come from what another planet yeah,
I mean again, this is like what he was told so he's kind of allergic to but You know he said that the documents said zeta reticuli like you know I guess a binary star system or something that's what we're in the documents now if that's true or not look remember he thought it was the US he thought this vehicle was ours right and then he until he walked inside of it that's his whole thing it blew him away You know,
it's hard to buy what someone like Bob is telling you if you don't know the person.
Imagine being him and that actually happening to you and then you having to go back to reality and tell people or not tell people, just live your life And have the burden of this information, the burden of this thought.
He went out and he showed people a craft that didn't look like any normal craft, come up right when he said it would, over a base that wasn't even known then really well, and a sub-base, an area, not area 51 proper.
Again, he's the luckiest motherfucker in the world.
He did it three weekends in a row until he got caught.
The only thing that people have ever called bullshit on him is that he said he might have seen an actual alien.
But he said he was walking down a hallway and looked through one of those little tiny windows that's in a door.
You know, those little tiny, like, 12-inch square windows.
And he peered in it quickly as he was walking by and it seemed like there was a small thing that was sitting on a chair and there's people standing over it.
But he doesn't know if it was a doll.
He doesn't know if it was...
And so, in his mind, he's like, fuck, did I see an alien?
Like, what the fuck?
But he can't go back.
It's not...
Like, everything's...
If you work on top-secret stuff, apparently, everything's very compartmentalized.
Like, the people that work on metallurgy don't have access to the people that work on propulsion, that don't have access to the people that, if there is a biological entity, that they examine it.
And the deeper I got in, chilling with his mom, chilling with his family, chilling with friends that have known him forever, new friends, every single person.
And he doesn't talk to them about UFOs, by the way.
Because if he's telling the truth, that means that the government has been working on these things for decades and decades, and that they have gotten this They've gotten themselves in this pickle where they can't publicly disclose what they know and what they have access to because they've had all these people work on these things secretly and they sort of have a long history of Hiding information right now think about this right like I've been down this path myself mentally
It's not a joke, nor a hoax, nor a sign of mental instability, nor an attempt to drum up local tourism by drawing the curious the Soviet press agency TASS insisted today in discussions of what it called an extraterrestrial visit to southern Russia.
Residents of the city of, how do you say that, Voronezh, how do you say it?
Insisted today that lanky, three-eyed extraterrestrial creatures had indeed landed in a local park and gone for a stroll, and that a seemingly fantastic report about the event carried Monday by the official press agency TASS was absolutely true.
It was not an optical illusion, said Lieutenant Sergei A. Matveyev of the, however you say that, District Police Station, who said in a telephone interview that he saw the landing of the UFO on September 27th.
Lieutenant Matveyev confessed that he had not actually seen the aliens, but that he saw the spaceship, and there was certainly a body flying in the sky, moving noiselessly at a very high speed and a very low altitude.
He said, anything is possible.
To be honest, Lieutenant Matveev said he was a little skeptical himself when he first saw the object.
I thought I must be really tired, but I rubbed my eyes and it didn't go away, and then I figured in this day and age, anything is possible.
Isn't that funny?
1989, in this day and age.
Using the sensational tone that has lately infected the once-stayed task, the press agency today provided more details of the UFO landing in Voronezh, a city of some 300 miles southeast of Moscow.
We know they can do things that we're incapable of creating right now Like there's got to be somebody controlling them look at this look at this statement A three-eyed creature about nine feet tall and fashionably dressed in silvery overalls and bronze boots with a disc on its chest disappeared then landed and came out for a promenade with a companion and a robot.
The aliens seemed to communicate with each other producing the mysterious appearance of a shiny triangle and activated the robot with a touch.
Huh.
It's so hard, you know, you're dealing with like people, I saw this.
Yeah, I deal with a lot of the human aspect of this, you know, like talking to people about it.
You actually said something to me one time that really struck me about this.
We were talking on the phone, and I was frustrated.
And I said, I can't wrap my head around, if this is true, why there's so much content, why there's so many types of crafts.
Like, we could go map the moon.
You know with like one satellite in like two weeks if we decided to do it and you said to me Maybe it's fucking easy to get here You said that to me and it made me think if Maybe it is just easy to get here.
Whatever these things are, maybe they're not from far away.
He was back in the day working for the Stanford Research Institute studying remote viewing.
And this guy's always been kind of cutting edge.
Well, you know what?
That's kind of the funnest shit, right?
You get paid to study consciousness?
Yeah, I'll do it, you know?
So, but, you know, he's had access to a lot of information because of that, so it's one of the people, when he speaks, I listen, right?
What does he have to say about it?
He wrote this paper and it, well, he wrote it a long time ago and kind of worked on it, I guess, but it was published yesterday in a scientific journal, and it proposes This idea of the ultra terrestrial so like something that's been here a long time Maybe like aliens got here and got stuck or a civilization that was so advanced and there was some world catastrophe So it hit itself and now just kind of lives here with us and maybe they have investment that we don't fuck up the planet that we don't blow ourselves up,
you know, maybe that's hmm Maybe they have some investment other than your crop theory, you know the idea that we're just a commodity and Well, I don't think we're necessarily a commodity, but I don't think we would have a problem with going to a planet and planting life.
Like, imagine if we found a planet, and it's like Earth of three billion years ago, right?
There's like some plant life and some fungus, but there's no animal life, no marine life, and we just Planted life there and monitored it and watched it grow and evolve and maybe they have an understanding of there's a process Maybe there's a process that like I said process not process I kind of like that super fancy man Maybe there's some sort of process where they understand that all life takes a very specific path and And that is
a path of increasing complexity, right?
If you want to really simplify life on Earth, you would go back to the earliest form of life, which is single-celled organisms, right?
Well, why did single-celled organisms become multi-celled organisms?
Because they're complexifying.
They're becoming more complex and then they ultimately become hominids that create tools and they ultimately lead to the industrial age and they ultimately lead to the technological age that we find ourselves in right now.
The thing that they have that's clear is it's constantly a path of ever-increasing complexity.
Now, when you look at the work of Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Dr. Robert Shock and all the people that have studied ancient civilizations and the possibility that there's been a reset along the way, it seems that perhaps there's been some periods of great growth and then some sort of cataclysmic disasters, you know, asteroid impacts and the like that has...
Sent civilization back down and then it rebuilds back up again.
But it always rebuilds back up again.
It always seems to be on the path of ever increasing complexity and constant innovation, at least amongst the most sophisticated of creatures which we like to think of ourselves as.
Maybe that is just a course in the universe for life.
So he, you know, Stanford professor, he's, you know, been working for 10 years studying MRIs of the brains of people like pilots who have had close encounters.
And what they found over this 10 year study, there was a CIA study, but he just openly talks about it now.
It's all out in the open, which is cool.
There was damage.
Like, I've seen the images, some of them.
There's damage to the brain when people get close proximity to one of these power sources.
Yeah, fucking white matter damage to their brains from having close proximity to a UFO or UAP. Like, when you say close, are you talking like Commander David Fravor close?
Okay, now we're gonna get real fucking weird because check out what they discovered.
They discovered in doing these studies on damaged brains that there is a part of the brain that that in a lot of these UFO encounter people their neurodensity in that area of brain is like one in a hundred and they've found out through this study that that part of the brain that it deals with intuition impulse decision making so your intuition you know like hunters right they need like really good intuition to have so the
impulse just knowing when to do something They've studied it in, I guess he said, like a Japanese form of chess.
They found out that these people are way more likely...
To have a UFO encounter.
So it's the opposite of what you said.
The damage was caused by the close proximity to the propulsion system.
But what they found out is that these neural density area—I forget the name of the brain.
They call it the brain within the brain.
You could probably look it up.
It's just—now, even weirder than that.
I think Gary should tell you this, but even weirder than that, they found that couples are partnering who have these neurodense areas, like, more than would be random.
Well, what's interesting, I'm reading an interview with him about this, and as he was saying everything, I'm kind of reading along.
They get to this part where the brain scansor looked very similar to people that had the Havana syndrome, and so they were comparing people to that, and then he says he got locked out of the files because it's now a serious incident, and...
Yeah, he said there was a lot of crossover where people that were, because it's an intelligence community thing and military thing, and he said he saw a lot of patients with him.
Let's read this because this is pretty fascinating.
It said, there's the question asked him, did the people who claimed they'd had an encounter, especially the pilots, describe any perceivable decrease in neurological capacity?
Said, of the 100 or so patients that we looked into, about a quarter of them died from their injuries.
The majority of these patients had symptomology that's basically identical to what's now called Havana Syndrome.
We think amongst the bucket list of cases, we had the first Havana Syndrome patients.
Once this turned into a national security problem with Havana Syndrome, I was locked out of the access to the files because it's now a serious potential international incident if they ever figure out who's been doing it.
That still left individuals who had seen UAPs.
They didn't have Havana Syndrome.
They had a smorgasbord of other symptoms.
The next question is, how does the impact of electromagnetic frequencies factor into your hypothesis of what exactly transpired here?
One of the patients, it happened on Skinwalker Ranch, given how deep into their brain the damage went, we can actually estimate the amount of energy required in the electromagnetic wave someone aimed at them.
We don't think that has anything to do with UAPs.
We think that that's some sort of state actor.
And again, related to Havana Syndrome somehow.
So, Havana Syndrome was dismissed initially, right?
And then they're recognizing that, no, something is really going on and it might be some sort of microwave or targeted attack on people that they're experimenting on some new ability to disable people.
I mean, if that guy's telling the truth, or maybe it would be repaired because they took him aboard the craft and supposedly did some medical procedure to him.
The problem is I feel like Even though there's people that have sightings, and even though there's some kind of metallurgy evidence, there's so little stuff.
It's not like if I want to study sea turtles, I can go find the sea turtles and go study them.
That there was a way to bait every single time these UFOs would come in when they were transporting nuclear weapons or something like that.
Now, if that information is true, then you would have a method, you would have a way to study this, right?
See, I think we're reinventing the wheel so much, like Avi Loeb at Harvard and NASA just, I think this is true, NASA just announced they're gonna repurpose their satellites to look for UFOs.
I think that's a real article, Jamie, if you can find that.
Dr. Thomas Zurbuchen of NASA's Science Mission Directorate, who has been investigating whether satellites in space could be repurposed to give another view on strange aerial phenomena reported from Earth.
Speaking to journalists in London this week, Colonel Pam Melroy, the Deputy Administrator of NASA said, the team is going to be looking at questions like, do we have sensors that can see things?
You know, take another look at the evidence.
One of the big questions that Thomas asked is, we have a ton of satellites looking down at Earth.
Are any of them useful?
I mean, before you build a rover that's going to Mars, you ask yourself, what's a sensor I have to build to detect the most interesting things?
So they're really going to focus on that.
Wow.
Scroll up there.
How would you get the evidence you need to be able to determine if it's an optical phenomena or some other kind of phenomena?
Even the greatest scientists were ridiculed.
Bill Nelson, a NASA administrator, told journalists that he had read all the classified documents relating to UFOs and was convinced that nobody knew what they were.
Question as to why NASA was embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject, Nelson said that one of the space agency's remits was to hunt for life outside of Earth, and that in the past, even the greatest scientists have been disbelieved and ridiculed.
Remember that one of our missions is to reach out to see if there is life, he said.
That's why we're digging on Mars right now.
Is the possibility of life in something as big as the universe?
Of course, there's a chance in somewhere as big as that, conditions similar to Earth existed and some other kind of life form developed.
Yes, I am convinced that the National Reconnaissance Office And the Geospatial Intelligence Agency will analyze the data from the devices that the National Reconnaissance Office has, and that we have great data on UFOs, and that that is being suppressed even to NASA. But imagine if they did have that data.
So I wish to be wrong on this, but I don't see the evidence for what you just said that we have that technology yet, and I'm not told that, and that's never been what I've asked at the highest levels that I can ask at.
We wish we had that technology.
And here's the other thing.
Just one last thing about this is before the Pentagon existed, these things were occupying our reality.
They've been here.
So even if we did have a breakthrough and we got something...
Or are we being visited, like, you know, I mean, if you go to the Galapagos, there'll be people there from Turkey.
There'll be people there from China.
There'll be people there from the United States.
Like, people want to go and see it.
Like, perhaps, when you're talking about UFOs and the wide variety Like you're talking about this circle that exists, or the cube, rather, that exists in the translucent circle?
Yeah, right now, and for years, in war zones, it's like, I call them the jellyfish, the cube in a sphere that a lot of pilots talk about, and even, as I said, pyramids.
What I have seen imagery of really fucking supposedly really fucking big ones and they look pretty fucking big So when you said you've seen have they sent it to you they just allow you to look at people that I know have allowed me to see these images and I can't have them and They look impressive.
They're going, what, like 500 miles an hour, 300...
I don't know how fast they're going, trying to photograph something out a window.
But here's the deal.
It's not just somebody saying it anymore.
The radar systems, the new ASA radar systems, are picking these up.
You know how you just used to have somebody say, I saw something?
Now, you have people that say, I saw something.
There's multiple witnesses.
They're on a collective radar system.
And on their personal radar system, and these things are under intelligent control, and they're oftentimes maneuvering in ways that are incredible, but also their duration to sit out there, you know, 100 miles offshore.
Like, whose are these magical devices that, like, do this?
But is it because the distance they are, how far away they are, and the kind of equipment they're using to monitor these things in jets that all they have is cell phones?
And, by the way, Ryan Graves, this other pilot, he says sometimes we'd have him right there on radar, but we couldn't see him with our eyes.
Other times they wouldn't be on radar, and bam, these two went right, and this fucking cube in the sphere went right between two jets.
That's when they got, oh, this is serious, like, we're gonna have a collision.
So sometimes you get them on radar, And you don't see them.
And other times you see them, but they're not on radar.
It's crazy, man.
They call that like low observability.
The ability to...
That's one of the five things that you look at for UFOs.
Low observability, right?
This idea that it can cloak a signature.
So you can see something in thermal, but not in the night vision.
So there's five things that should be said.
These are the things people look for in UFOs.
See if I get it right.
So one is anti-gravity.
This idea of no control or flight, normal flight systems.
So like normally a cube is not an aerodynamic thing, but it has intelligent control.
The second thing is instantaneous velocity.
You've heard of people going, you know, these things going 90 degrees at like 10,000 miles an hour.
And we do have tracks of that.
We have, you know, recorded tracks of that kind of movement.
So we know these things exist.
The third one is hypersonic capability without signature, so like we talked about.
The fourth one is the ability to, I guess you'd say, cloak, or the ability to have a I don't know the exact words they used, but to not be seen, right?
Because sometimes it almost, it's like they want to be seen.
Like some of the people calls I get, they'll be like, okay, there's one guy.
I think it's fine.
There's a dude and he's at a secure facility, right?
And he sees over the power structure of this facility, a government facility.
First, he's walking outside, and he sees this star that's like an off-duty star.
It's acting kind of weird, right?
So he's walking to his car, and next thing he knows, it almost appears like it flashes, and then, bam, about 100 feet from him over this power source is what he described as two plates mashed together and this gold glow.
He'd never seen this color gold before.
It was just beautiful, right?
Totally fucking silent.
Big.
The tallness of it was two F-150s.
Is that a car?
A big car?
Two of those stacked up nose-to-nose is the height.
About three, four times the width.
And this is a dude who thinks, if I'm not wrapped so tight, you know, I'm gonna lose my position.
So the guard's gotta wait something like 30 days or 60 days for it to auto just delete itself.
So that guard had to sit in there.
For at least a month, thinking about the fact that there's footage here, I told my buddy, I was like, don't think for one second that guard didn't film that screen.
Yeah, I mean, I believe that it is going at a normal pace, but that movement is what's so unique, man.
And the pilots are freaking out.
They're like, you know, there's a whole fleet of them.
And the duration of these, like they would sit out there, and they do sit out there for these huge durations of time, like just the energy consumption it takes to do that.
He had, like, a Razor phone, like, back in, like...
2000 something and he's like a carpenter and he's like I don't know where he was I'm gonna say it wrong Brazil or something and he just Grabs his shitty ass razor phone and there's this fucking it looks like a disc that just goes Turns like its belly and shit available online.
But all of this goes away if we've been reverse engineering these things.
It's the silver bullet.
We can have this conversation.
Our UFO is real.
They're not real.
They're fucking real.
The bigger question is, have we actually been working on something?
If that gets revealed, if this UFO whistleblower thing works and the NDAs are just out the window, I have people that I can put forward, nominate them to go talk.
It's so fascinating that you're this lightning rod for this shit just by virtue of the fact that you're one of the most prominent UFO documentary guys.
That they're coming to you and wanting to discuss these things with you.
What's interesting too is like if you are a guy and you want to get out the information and you want to get it to someone who is going to leak it where people are going to follow them, you are that guy.
Right.
Right?
Because you're accessible and you clearly have already done it before and you made the great documentary.
Out of respect and responsibility have seen a lot more than I've ever put out that my point is never to put shit out We were poking the bear at that time me and George was just trying to get the conversation lit up man Because everybody always says we wish you know, it's always like one source especially civilian footage.
It's one video, right?
But with these military ones I gave people thermal radar Deck footage and within a classified briefing a slide that shows and reveals that they believe this thing to be transmedium.
It was like the perfect military case because it showed all these pieces of evidence.
So you can't say, oh, it's just a balloon because I gave you deck footage that shows it lit up like a Christmas tree.
So it had lights.
You can't say it was just an optical illusion of thermal because you have the radar.
So all these things together create a compelling case That we should know what's fucking flying in our restricted airspace and is doing things that we can't do.
My understanding is the people that kind of have been read in on some of this in the classified briefings, some of them, it completely fucking changed their lives.
The whole way they think about this stuff.
For two reasons, I think.
One is that what's extraordinary That this technology even exists and we've kind of ignored it up till now.
You know, whose is it?
And then the second thing is that when someone's fucking lied to and they feel like they should have oversight, like the Senate Intelligence Committee or whatever, they feel like they should have oversight and they find out there are programs they don't have oversight about, then you get like the Church Commission of 1975. Do you remember that?
They busted all the intelligence agencies for a whole bunch of shit, including MKUltra, testing drugs on civilians.
They said, real thing, Senate Intelligence Committee, I think it's called the Church Commission, and they fucking railed the intelligence agencies for doing terrible, hidden, illegal shit.
That's what we're seeing today about UFOs.
They are saying, if you have been hiding this shit, And it has been not in our oversight.
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The committee was a part of a series of investigations into intelligence abuses in 1975, dubbed the Year of Intelligence, including its House counterpart, the Pike Committee, and the Presidential Rockefeller Commission.
The committee's efforts led to the establishment of permanent U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
The most shocking revelations of the committee included Operation MKUltra involving the drugging and torture of unwitting US citizens as a part of human experimentation on mind control.
COINTELPRO involving the surveillance and infiltration of American political and civil rights organizations.
Family Jewels, a CIA program to covertly assassinate foreign leaders.
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I am extremely confident in making that statement that we have exploitation programs, which is just you got physical material and you've been working on it.
And I'm extremely confident in saying that there has been ongoing durational studies in every branch of our military about UFOs that don't have oversight.
And, you know, look, maybe I'm wrong, but I think we're about to find out.
As long as we keep pressing about this, I think we're going to find out because they're hot and bothered about it right now.
The Senate Intelligence Committee, Congress, Senate, they're really pushing to make it available that people can come forward and break their NDAs.
You have to imagine that someone like Bush Sr. who was head of CIA and then his son had some high-level understanding of this as a national security issue, right?
The thing is, even if he does have that understanding, what do you do with it?
Like, what do you do if they come to you and they say, this is what we know?
I mean, do you feel like you have this obligation to release it to the public?
Because it's not going to change much.
They're not going to have any control over it.
The worst case scenario is people go crazy.
The best case scenario is it sort of prods these agencies to release more and we get more transparency and we get more of an understanding of what's real and not real.
And then perhaps more people will come forward with real stories.
Well, I mean, they've already kind of told basics now, but previous to this, I would say the one thing that I would say I would worry about is people losing their shit and society falling apart and maybe some people capitalizing on the fact that people have become very vulnerable.
It's gonna get in the way of understanding and examining these things because you're gonna have to somehow or another prepare some sort of talk where you have a slideshow and you show what we have and what we don't have and what we know and what we don't know.
And then also, if we're not the top dog, if we have to admit that there is something that's so superior to us that it can avoid detection, that it's here constantly, they've probably been here forever, and that these things, whatever they are, have the ability to shut down our nuclear weapons, they have the ability to control essentially whatever they want to.
They can shut down the power grid, they can do whatever they want.
Okay, so here's a lie that was propagated through the media and I watched like a slow-moving fucking train because I had the information, absolutely went against this.
People said a ship called the Bass Strait was what was launching these, it's like an international company or whatever, like, you know, these Chinese, you know, whatever, drones.
You know, that was kind of the lie that started spreading through the media.
Well, I'll tell you, man, there was an investigation of the Bass Strait in port.
It was in Long Beach.
Far before this activity subsided.
So this lie started being pushed through mainstream media that this was the source of these drones in 2019. It's like they're trying to just make it all go away.
The UAPTF, our government, did an investigation on that ship while it was in port the day after.
But I have talked to sailors who their job at the time of these swarms, I'll just say from the Paul Hamilton, another ship that was involved, they were watching the Bass Strait to make sure they were not the origin of these launches and landings.
But that lie has now been pushed.
It's weird to me.
It's weird people get away with that.
I've been calling out the Bass Strait, you know, on Twitter, whatever, being like, were you conducting espionage?
Our technology is better at picking them up, and there is a physical increase in frequency of these unidentifieds in areas they shouldn't be, from our operational standpoint.
And then the discussion, I think once you start thinking about this, it's so exciting that I think people like to talk about it because it opens worlds to us.
It's a unique time in history, right, that we can have this conversation and not be laughed out the room just because we're doing a thought puzzle here.
Oh yeah, to the point where part of the operation, like you read about that church committee, where they'll put people into communities to disrupt them.
The words would be to shape the emerging UFO narrative to this day.
Now, why do you want to shape it?
Why would an intelligence agency want to shape this?
Let's just get the information out there, right?
I guess there's power in controlling the UFO narrative.
Most, I think, politicians and people that get into great positions of power start to believe that they're better than the average person.
Some cops have that.
You know, they have an us versus them mentality.
And I definitely think that lawmakers and, you know...
And the like would have that as well, especially people involved in intelligence agencies.
I mean, that's part of the gig is that you have access to stuff that the average person does not because you can handle it.
And, you know, you're trained this way and this is how you behave.
And so that information comes along that's really fucking wild.
Like, there's this interdimensional spacecraft that can just appear over the ocean and disappear, and you go to fucking chase it faster than your eye can follow.
It disappears over the horizon.
Like, what do you say and do about that?
Like, what could possibly benefit them to release that information to people like you and me?
Yeah, there's policies in place, and the main thing is their security clearances are their jobs, even when they're out, right?
So if you lose that, even when you're out, it changes your fucking life.
You've had this whole career that you're doing, but people I know in these positions that have access to this information, whether we believe them or not, they're good people.
I think they want this information to be public, and they think it's bigger than themselves, but that's what we're seeing.
We're seeing Finally, representative government representing the public's interest to know about this.
Do you think that them releasing information and having these discussions is their way of preparing us for the inevitable?
That maybe this is the best way to do it.
To get some information out there and say, we have recovered off-world crafts and we're seeing things that are not ours and the propulsion systems are not based on any known physics that we have a grasp of.
That when they're telling us this, it's because they think that it's going to blow up in our face.
And so we've got to get some information out there to prepare people.
Otherwise, we're going to have a collapse of society.
We're going to have a UFO landing on the White House lawn and panic in the streets.
And that they think that somehow or another they can mitigate some of the more negative aspects of that by releasing some data now.
A lot of people have said that to me and even said, you know, maybe you're a part of that and don't even know and that's why you're getting videos and shit and all that.
The thing is that the reality though, if someone could just see that, you know, the reality is the people I know that are fighting for this inside and creating the language and trying to get this to happen, it's not organized from the diabolical or even like, it's not even organized in a way.
It's like pressure.
Like if they knew, you know what I mean?
It seems so mysterious.
That it almost looks like MacLevallian, like they're just getting the public ready.
But in fucking reality, dude, I don't think it's that organized.
Do you ever feel like some of the stuff that you've been shown that you're not supposed to show that it would really benefit society to release that stuff?
To the point where you almost feel compelled?
Like how much difference do you, how much different do you think the conversation would be about UFOs if people saw and knew what you know?
Well, I feel like that might have been motivated at least slightly by the fact that he smoked weed on my show and got in trouble with NASA. Oh, don't do that, huh?
That's what I was thinking.
When he was so quickly dismissing it, well, they sure are subtle, you know, when he was saying that.
I was like, well, wouldn't they be subtle?
Like, what would they be doing unless they're trying to freak us the fuck out?
But when he smoked weed on the podcast and got in trouble with NASA, I would imagine that you'd want to show yourself as a respectable ball player.
If they have any footage of those launches being observed by what we call UAP or UFOs, because I have a pilot and he gave me footage from he was in this lucky position during one of these launches where he was the closest plane. because I have a pilot and he gave me footage And he gave me footage of what looked like, you know, objects like lights up observing this.
Let's say this all goes well, and there is actually something under the hood with the UFO thing, and that this congressional language does bring forward people.
Like, fuck, you know, Bob's already said everything to George in 1980. But people that have security clearances, let's pretend this goes well.
I would like to sit down with Bob again because I wonder what the experience has been like for Bob with the documentary coming out and then being on the podcast.
Well, there's a lot of people that are paranoid schizophrenics that are just running around accusing everybody of being a spy and being part of government agencies and what have you.
It's such a complex subject because it seems foolish to spend any time thinking about it without anything really tangible.
It's like everything is speculative.
Everything is he said, she said, and here's some data, and there's a thing that's going faster than the speed of sound by a factor of 20 or something like that.
That things become really well known and then they become a thing that a person sort of formulates in their head when they have a questionable experience.
The mind fills in the blank.
You know like when they say one of the things that happens in the case of a disaster.
Or some sort of very traumatic event like a mass shooting or something like that.
People see things that didn't really happen or they have a very distorted memory of it because they're so in shock.
Like in times of war and things like that.
They see things that...
Weren't really there or that were inaccurate like their version of it that they when they recount it is all fucked up because the mind gets scrambled by period by moments of extremely high stress high adrenaline worried you're gonna die you know explosion like everybody has like fucked up stories and Yeah,
we try to explain these experiences that are so outside of our norm that how do you describe it?
You have to take things that you know in order to describe those things.
I'm trying to think of a good, concrete example of that.
It is my understanding when I listen to people that I do believe had these close encounters that they can't find the words to describe the experience because they've never had an experience like this before.
A lot of times when people describe psychedelic experiences, they sort of tend to describe them the way they've heard other people describe them because it makes it more comfortable and easy.
And I think that one of the more interesting things about this whole idea of UFOs happening or, excuse me, encounters happening to people while they sleep is Is that, you know, you could dismiss one aspect of it by saying that it's an endogenous dump of naturally produced psychedelic chemicals, which we know the mind creates.
It was interesting because they were like, fuck you.
Because I think what I was trying to do was maybe control my thoughts during the experience instead of just letting go.
And maybe I had some sort of an elevated idea of Bringing back my experience and telling other people and seeming profound and they were just like fuck you.
And it was it was interesting that these jokers and they were jesters like court jesters with the hats and everything.
And I think it was to sort of let me explain to me in some way that I have a very unique job and that part of my job is what's what's important is not take myself too seriously.
That's what a lot of people fall into when they get a lot of attention.
They start thinking of themselves in a very high regard.
They start thinking they're really important.
Instead of just thinking that what you do is probably a gift and you're very fortunate, so don't Don't take yourself very seriously, but you're just a very fortunate person that's in this unique position.
But it's not like that you're special.
Don't take yourself so seriously.
And also, if you do, it will fuck up your ability to do the job.
Yeah, it was like, it was the only time that I ever felt my body possessed by something other, you know, something else.
And then it, like, did a system check.
Like, imagine you have a billion drawers of number two pencils, all different colors at different lengths, and it opens each drawer and looks that you've used that, you know, one quarter amount, and they shut the drawer.
It was like, like, it just did a system check.
Wow.
Then it was like, okay, good job.
Now let's see if we can break something.
And it like tries to blow my fucking speakers out.
This was my subjective experience, right?
Tries to like blow my speakers out.
My body makes like, whoa, like it was weird.
And then it was like a slap on the ass.
It felt like...
Like, this experience of life is so fragile and momentary, and you could fuck up really easy.
If you just get a little off course, in ten years from now, you're gonna be way the fuck off course.
So it kind of was like, you'll know if you start going off course.
That's what I took from it.
Again, I only did it one time, but that's what I took from it.
Yeah, yeah, but these are indicators that like whatever it is the universe is giving you that you're not on the path that you're supposed to be on Yeah, man because our past like the minds been very varied I'm always finding my place my place in life in what I didn't think I would do you know I always thought I would you know train judo or boxing or you know that I would always do like a martial art or When I started making films, and I started making art, fine art, and then making films, I never thought I'd be in that.
I had a loss of identity, a loss of my spirit.
I was so off course, I got so sick from something called valley fever, I couldn't train anymore.
You inhale a fungus or a spore, and it attacks your lungs, and typically people could feel like they got a cold, or they fucking die, or something like that.
And what happened was I was overseas and I had been harboring it in my body for about two and a half months.
And I look at myself in the mirror and I'm fucking like skeleton.
And an emergency came home, went to special disease at UCLA, and they treated me for it, which is you take this whole body antifungal.
But the problem is it had gone into my lungs, my kidneys, near my heart, like it got into my bloodstream.
So I started getting like an abscess in my arm.
I was a really healthy athlete.
But when that happened, it took from me the ability to do what I thought I was, and I had to completely re-understand my life that I am not just the things that I do, that the things I do come from who I am, where my passion is.
So that was a learning lesson for me, is going through an illness that stopped me from doing what I loved to do and thought that's all I would ever do.
So the path is like curvy, but I accept that as long as I'm being true and I'm not feeling that anxiety and pain.
With your fascination of the UFO experience and then you having psychedelic experiences, did you feel like there's any sort of connection between psychedelic experiences and UFO experiences?
Did you think that those realms that you access through psychedelics in any way are related to extraterrestrial intelligence?
So we're by where I live, and we're just hanging out, and we're going on a walk, and it's just as the sun is kind of setting, just, you know, talking shit.
And he makes some fucking joke, and he's like...
Oh, coming out to see the UFO expert, I figured I'd see a UFO. I really wish we could see one.
I'm like, oh, you're funny.
You should be a comedian, asshole.
You know, it's like, we're just fucking with him.
He's fucking with me.
Not 45 seconds after he says that, I go, turn the fuck around.
I thought it would be super brief.
I thought it would be brief.
This big fucking glowing thing that comes in at 45 degrees and just goes like over this valley, right?
And I just thought it'd be a shooting star or something.
He also writes, I should point out the white lights at the front of the craft, assuming that it was moving forward, and those lights pulsated separately from the body of the craft, which also pulsated.
Almost like the uniqueness, the novelty of it, that it was so wild and that you knew you were seeing something unique to the point where it captivates you.
I'm the guy, you know, hunting UFOs, talk to all these people every day that have encounters that I believe, and I never saw shit.
I would always be the guy going in to get the night vision goggles to look at the sky and everybody starts screaming, oh my god, did you just see that?
Like, when you have an experience yourself, there's probably this pause where you don't really want to talk about it because you don't want everybody to think you're a loon.
I think that if it is what we think it is, if there is a presence, let's just call it non-human intelligence, and it is engaging humanity and has been for a long fucking time since the beginning of recorded human history, if not before, if any of this is true, it seems reasonable that in some way they want to be seen on a personal level.
If any of this is true, If you look up, man, just look the fuck up.
You know, I believe if you really want it and you look up, there's something to this UFO thing, man.
Do you think maybe one of the explanations would be that Catalina is off the coast of California and that they use the water as like a place where they have a base or where they meet or where they...
I was told a long time ago by an admiral that I trust, like family, that this is important to look into, that there's meat on the bone, And that every branch of our military studies this current day, and this was 10 years ago, having this conversation.
I was asking him, should I waste my time on this Lazar guy?
Specifically, because this is a person that would know.
Just leave it at that, right?
And it took a while for this person to really answer me.
They let me into some cool places to check out just because I had fascination about this stuff, some military stuff.
They let me come see stuff because I had fascination.
Not UFO stuff, just general stuff.
And the person we're talking about ended up saying to me, it's worth your time, specifically, to look into Lazar.
It's worth your time.
And this is somebody that has stopped me from wasting my time on other ideas.
And this person also said to me that there's more activity under the water than there is in the air with these UFO things.
If that's true, If that's true, I said, well, I said, how the fuck am I gonna research that?
Because that opened up people's ideas to the idea, or opened up people's minds to the idea that there could be a spaceship in the water and aliens in the water.
And that, of course, you would have no idea that they were there.
Well, I think if you were an incredibly advanced being, you know, if you think about the human race, if the human race doesn't blow itself up and we move on and continue to advance for another million years, you would assume that we would have...
The ability to do all kinds of things that are just science fiction now.
And one of them might be interdimensional travel, access to realms that are previously unseen that we just don't understand because we're just too primitive.
See, that's my whole thing with this UFO thing is if this is just nature, if this is part of the ecosystem of the world we live in, We're just like, UFOs are part of our reality.
There's nothing we can do about that anymore.
That has been determined.
You've done been told.
Disclosure, in that sense, has already been done.
You've been told UFOs are real.
It's just like, What does that mean for us?
How large of an ecosystem is this that we're dealing with?
Isn't that just nature?
Like, before we thought there were monsters in the ocean.
You said that before.
We thought there was monsters in the ocean.
Now we got names for them.
Maybe what we're seeing is just a part of nature that we are just becoming aware of.
I mean, it's such an altruistic way of looking at it, but if I was this hyper-intelligent species, whether being here on Earth or just being here a long time, maybe I got stuck here, or I'm from somewhere else, bringing people, adapting people to your presence and helping an evolution, a technological evolution, these craft that crash, Like, maybe that's to inspire the next leap for us.
I mean, I don't know.
Defense people would be like, Jeremy, that's bullshit.
One of the first posts I ever did on my website is an image of a painting from pre-flight days, and it shows this fucking disc, and it's shooting down light onto John the Baptist or something.
I don't know.
Artists will sometimes paint what they have seen and put it in historical context.
This shit's haunting, man.
What we're seeing today has been seen before.
Again, I've got an article from 1960 where there's cubes and spears that fighter pilots see.
I mean if you believe the messaging that people talk about like that I'm friends with these two ladies.
They were at the aerial school And they you know were with that's where the craft landed and Like a bunch of kids 60 kids or something They see it John Mack went and studied it all this stuff so that the two Females that I know that were their closest proximity to what they said was a being that came out They're like We were mesmerized by it like looking in the eyes of this thing they were mesmerized by it was the words and
It put these images in their head which at the time Didn't mean anything much to them.
It was like destruction of the earth like this whole thing But talking to him now They're like maybe we're supposed to talk about this It's still with them like what they saw if you believe their story or not they believe it'll tell you that much and You know, that they got these visual messages, and I've heard this over and over and over.
I wonder what they're up to, these fucking weird things, man.
Virginia is where the being came out and someone got real sick from it all.
Yeah, look, but there have been crashes in many of the main countries that we'd consider...
technologically advanced or whatever.
So like Russia as well, like George Knapp, remember he obtained, I'll say obtained, and got out from Russia all the classified, a bunch of the classified documents from the Russian UFO program.
And he went and talked with people there.
He went twice during Glasnost and Perestroika.
And these are the people that ran the UFO programs.
And inside those documents, which he's had translated now, right, they tell that they were trying to reverse engineer laser technology, that they knew we had UFO retrieval programs, that they knew that some of our programs were doing UFOs.
Like, all of this is what...
George Knapp got that out of Russia at a time when he could have been arrested for bringing that shit out in the airport, right?
Every major country has interest and a stake in this because I think people want a technological advantage, man.
If they can ascertain anything from this, they got a fucking technological advantage.
If Russia had had anything, they'd be using it right now, too.
That's the thing.
If we had a really great weapon caused, you know, from the retrieval stuff.
But other...
Other legislative people from other countries have reached out to me, saying that they want to replicate what the U.S. is doing in their country.
I think anytime there's any kind of an organization, any kind of an organization, someone from the federal government infiltrates it and tries to get them to do something fucked up so that they can invade and then take people down and arrest them.
But it was kind of beautiful, though, to see people be able to get close to this, like, super secret gate that normally you'd be thrown on the ground in front of.
And what are you doing here?
And they were like, there was, like, a whole welcoming committee.
I've talked to a lot of employees, a lot, like former employees, current employees, and it's so compartmentalized.
But the one place, I don't think I should say this because then maybe they'll stop doing it, but the one place where the word on the wash is strong, as they say, is the bar at 51. There's a bar there?
Yeah, man.
It's a little secret I keep in, because I know the name, and I know, kind of, I can describe it, so if I get somebody...
But it's like, it's always the bar, right, where people talk, so that's where all the rumors go.
So Site 4, all that stuff, after talking maybe, you know, 30, 40 people, current, past, all that stuff, you know, people know that there's a facility at Papoose.
So, if you think that they moved everything out of there when Bob started opening his mouth in the late 80s, is there any speculation as to where they would have moved it?
Actually, somebody that I've spoken with on record has gone there because they had access to...
The second they hit Papoose Dry Lake, out of nowhere, civilian contractors with machine guns and black attire...
Put him face down, and he's a Navy guy.
He's a Navy guy with like a good access to the land of 51, because it's so compartmentalized, usually you couldn't run around, but what he was doing, which I... It's not important, but he had access to more of the land.
He got fucking thrown on the ground.
He became a believer that day.
He's like, there is an installation.
I just want you to know my story, because...
He goes, I didn't see the exact thing.
I didn't get that far.
He goes, but if there was nothing there, where the people come from?
So you get anecdotal...
I don't know, dude.
Bob, he's so gangster.
I don't know if people know this, but the U.S. would never sell satellite time to take photos of Papoose Lake in 1989, 1990. So he hired a Russian satellite to take photos.
And if you know what you're looking for when you fly in to Switzerland, you can see markings on the roads where the planes come out of hills that are completely disguised as foliage and that.
The planes come out, taxi onto the roads and take off.
Right, so it's just south of Area 51. Area 51 is the box, right?
So it is a designation within the Nellis base, and they're all numbered and labeled Papoose.
So there's Area 51 proper with the runway.
And then where Bob, you know, would get on the bus is from Area 51, and I have people that saw him get on a bus and drive south, and then, you know, drive down to Papoose Lake.