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Joe Rogan Experience #1852 - Sam Tripoli
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joe rogan
Comedy Crime Fighter.
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sam tripoli
Here, there we go.
Bam.
joe rogan
Bam.
sam tripoli
Yeah, we're in it.
joe rogan
We even have a cough button.
sam tripoli
Damn.
joe rogan
It's like a real radio show.
sam tripoli
Damn, professional, Joe.
joe rogan
If you have to blow your nose or anything, you press that red button.
sam tripoli
Not anymore, dawg.
joe rogan
What's happening, my brother?
sam tripoli
I don't do any of that stuff anymore.
joe rogan
Oh, that stuff.
How long has it been since you did that stuff?
sam tripoli
A year and eight months almost.
joe rogan
Oh, so you go back, you go forth.
sam tripoli
No, no, no, dude.
I'm clean as a whistle, dude.
joe rogan
Done.
sam tripoli
Nothing.
joe rogan
How many times you quit in the past?
sam tripoli
Well, I went five years sober, and then I went ten years just running and gunning, and now I'm back to a year and eight months, man.
joe rogan
Ten years of running and gunning?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
White-knuckling it, dude.
White-knuckling it.
joe rogan
Literally.
sam tripoli
Survive in advance.
That's what I was doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tripoli
Thanks for having me, bro.
I love you.
joe rogan
I love you, too.
sam tripoli
Yeah, man.
Good to be here.
joe rogan
What the fuck's going on?
sam tripoli
Just, you know...
joe rogan
Are we ready to go to war with China?
sam tripoli
Manifesting, bro.
joe rogan
You see what's going on?
sam tripoli
Happy World War III day, everybody.
joe rogan
Nancy Pelosi's in China.
They're rolling tanks around.
sam tripoli
Have you seen this?
jamie vernon
I heard they threatened.
They're not a direct threat, but they said if anything happens with those jets, you might fire back.
Keep your jets out of our area.
They said something like that.
joe rogan
Our jets?
jamie vernon
Yeah, there was some...
I'll look it up.
But then they were saying, this is not a direct threat.
We're not taking this as a direct threat.
This is not a threat.
And I was like, there's a lot of threats being said a lot.
sam tripoli
Her and those 80-year-old sloppy tits of hers are going to get us in trouble.
joe rogan
Why is she there?
sam tripoli
I don't...
Well, there's a whole bunch to that, like has to do something with some processing chips that she has some like illegal insider trading on or something like that.
joe rogan
Look at this.
In a banned tweet, a top state media commentator reportedly said that China could forcibly dispel Pelosi's plane and shoot it down if it flies to Taiwan.
Could you fucking imagine?
If they blow her out of the sky...
sam tripoli
It'd be crazy, dude.
And you see everybody on Twitter just telling China, you know, hey, if it happens, we understand.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if they fucking execute her?
sam tripoli
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
Because, like, I guess Russia's not happening, so they're like, who else can we go poke...
joe rogan
Russia is happening, though.
sam tripoli
But, I mean, like, in terms of, like...
I don't know, man.
It just seems like the Ukraine is just a complete failed state.
joe rogan
Well, Russia is ramping up, and the real fear is that what's going on right now is all happening while the roads are moist.
You can only travel on the road.
You can't drive on the ground in Ukraine.
So, like, they're very limited.
So their tactics are very limited because when they move the tanks in, the Ukrainians are shooting at them from the side of the road.
But once the winter comes, you could drive anywhere.
sam tripoli
Oh, man.
Winter is coming.
joe rogan
Literally.
Yeah.
Literally, winter's coming.
So we're headed towards September, right?
We're in August now.
Next month is September.
And then once it gets cold in Ukraine, I don't know when it gets cold in Ukraine exactly, but once it gets cold, that ground gets hard.
Once that ground gets hard, they can roll tanks anywhere.
They can't go off the side of the road.
They get bogged down now.
sam tripoli
You think World War III is coming?
joe rogan
I'm very scared.
sam tripoli
I am too.
joe rogan
I don't trust that anyone has got a really good plan to prevent it.
It doesn't seem like anybody expected Russia to do what they did in Ukraine.
And then once it happens, it's still happening.
So it's like, how do we get out of that?
How does Ukraine survive it?
How does the rest of the world handle it?
What happens if Russia takes over Ukraine and then wants to push further?
Scary shit, dude.
sam tripoli
It is scary shit.
joe rogan
Because it's like a hot war in...
I mean, it's not technically Europe.
It's technically Asia, right?
But we think of Russia.
Russia is like partially Europe and partially Asia.
Is that how it is?
jamie vernon
Ukraine is definitely in Europe.
And I don't know about Russia.
joe rogan
Like some parts of Russia are considered to be...
sam tripoli
Yeah, like Eastern Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So Europe and part of Russia is in Asia, right?
sam tripoli
Well, I'm Armenian.
jamie vernon
It's a transcontinental country.
sam tripoli
Armenia is a part of Asia, but I have, like, Eastern European Armenian in me, right?
So it's kind of, so it's like that weird kind of gray space in there, right there.
joe rogan
Fuck, dude.
sam tripoli
What a wild world we live in.
Ukraine reminds me a lot of Afghanistan.
And what we did there, which was like, you know, like supplying weapons and funding to like extremists there and then drawing Russia into like a prolonged war to try to weaken them.
And then eventually the people we gave the weapons to and the money to, we make them the bad guys now.
And we're like, we got to go solve that problem, too, with like Al Qaeda and stuff that was in the Taliban and all that stuff.
And it seems like the exact same playbook that they run over and over and over and over again.
joe rogan
The difference is they're making the Ukrainians look like the greatest people ever.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
Like Zelensky and his wife are on the cover of Vogue.
sam tripoli
Unbelievable, yeah.
joe rogan
It's very strange to do that in the middle of a war, to have like a photo shoot, like a glamorous photo shoot.
sam tripoli
While you're like bombing POW camps and stuff like that.
Killing off your own...
joe rogan
What do you mean bombing POW camps?
sam tripoli
Didn't they just bomb like a giant...
Didn't Ukraine just bomb like a giant POW camp I was reading and that killed a bunch of people?
joe rogan
A bunch of Ukrainians?
sam tripoli
Yeah, their own people.
I don't know if it was done by accident.
And you see that a lot.
So basically they blacked out the Ukraine.
It was very hard to get anything out of the Ukraine.
joe rogan
Explosion kills Ukrainian POWs held by Russian-backed forces.
Moscow and Kyiv accuse each other of targeting Ukrainian prisoners held in Russian-controlled territory.
So it's not clear who did it.
sam tripoli
Yeah, which side?
joe rogan
Imagine being a fucking prisoner in Russia, like this Brittany Griner situation.
Imagine being a fucking prisoner in Russia.
sam tripoli
And you are basically caught in a war.
You are a pawn in the war.
joe rogan
You're a pawn.
Yeah.
sam tripoli
It's crazy.
I feel for any of those people.
I feel really bad for her.
I feel really bad for Julian Assange.
I feel really bad for anybody in America that's in a prison for drugs, in particular, marijuana.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, it's ridiculous.
And how about Edward Snowden?
Like, he's still stuck in Russia.
And now Russia is, like, technically our enemy.
You know, he goes over to Russia to escape the grips of the United States criminal justice system because he reveals that the NSA has been spying on every fucking American.
sam tripoli
Yep.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no good guys.
sam tripoli
Who are the good guys?
Most of us don't even want to fight with each other.
Everybody just wants to raise their family, laugh at a good fart joke, drink a little beer, have a little fun, get laid once in a while, and it's like these power elites that all get us all to fight with each other.
joe rogan
No, it's crazy.
sam tripoli
It is crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
sam tripoli
The spectrum of life, 5%, 5% on each end are the crazy people.
Everybody in the middle just wants to be...
I used to do...
I used to go entertain the troops and we went to Afghanistan and you met the locals.
They were the nicest people.
You know, I would do tours in China.
I would do stand-up in China.
Nicest people.
Like, everybody is so more alike than we are different.
But we highlight these little things that gets everybody to fight with each other.
joe rogan
Well, it's other people that, you know, they orchestrate it.
It's not the people that are just regular folks living their life.
It's the elites.
It's the people that are in charge of government, the people that are in charge of military, the people that are in charge of massive corporations that seek to consolidate power and control resources.
Regular people, most people just want to live their life and raise their family and have fun with their friends and do their job.
sam tripoli
Get laid once in a while.
joe rogan
It's such a small percentage of people that are cunts trying to start wars and cause trouble.
With such a small percentage of people.
And the thing they're most terrified of is everyone being united.
If there was like a way where everyone could communicate very easily with everyone else.
There's language barriers and cultural barriers, but if those dissolve because of the internet and because of software that lets people translate languages quickly, that's going to help.
And it's just people are going to realize after a while that we have way more in common than we do apart.
That's easy to hide when there's language barriers and cultural barriers and distance barriers.
sam tripoli
And the control of information.
Like if you're getting pumped certain things and that's all you're hearing all the time, that's all you're going to believe.
But thanks to the internet, now we realize that there's like a whole other side of the story that we were never told.
And if you take a look at religions, man, you look at like Christianity, Islam, Judaism.
They're all almost saying the exact same thing.
It's like almost where they power rank Jesus, right?
It's like where the fight's over, right?
Is he the top guy?
Is he like ranked fifth?
joe rogan
Or is he just a regular dude?
sam tripoli
Yeah, right?
What is he?
joe rogan
Is he just a prophet?
sam tripoli
Is he mystic man, wizard dude?
unidentified
Who knows?
joe rogan
Or was he the son of God?
sam tripoli
Or was he the son of God?
What do you think?
joe rogan
Do you think there was really a Jesus?
sam tripoli
Listen, man, it's very weird to be a guy who used to do blow and raw dog strippers and be like, I love Jesus, but I'm really cool with the guy.
It's a really weird thing to say.
Sometimes you pump the brakes a little bit, but man, a big journey for me has been this spiritual thing that I've been on.
I think Jesus was just like a starseed.
What do you mean by that?
unidentified
Should I smoke weed before you talk?
sam tripoli
Go for it, dude.
Please, light it up, bro.
joe rogan
I feel like we're going to get deep into the conspiracy hole.
sam tripoli
Well, I was talking to young Jamie about that.
He's very much into it.
joe rogan
Young Jamie is a connoisseur of the conspiracies.
sam tripoli
Gets it, dude.
Gets it.
joe rogan
He gets it.
sam tripoli
I think that the universe sends people down to help send humanity and to help direct people and humanity in certain way and directions.
And I think that's what he was.
And whether he was born at this time or born way back, you know when they had that one movie that was like, the story of Jesus is told 28 different times and 20 different...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's called The God Who Wasn't There.
That's the documentary.
sam tripoli
For me, that doesn't mean that someone existed and they're just telling the same story in their own language, in their own way, but it's all the same story.
And whoever that was, whenever he was here, was very special.
And organized religion, which I have no problems with, but I think there's, you know, especially like the Vatican and Rome, hardened religion, taken out all the kind of mysticism of it and made us take it literal.
And that's not what I'm into.
I'm into a spiritual thing and the universe and energy.
I'm trying to become a wizard.
joe rogan
Trying to become a wizard?
sam tripoli
Dude, I'm trying to manipulate energy.
That's the whole thing right now.
joe rogan
How are you doing this?
sam tripoli
There is no reality.
There's only perception.
That's what I'm all about.
I really have worked on changing the way I look at the world.
joe rogan
There's no reality.
There's only perception.
sam tripoli
Yeah, that's my belief.
joe rogan
How's that work?
sam tripoli
How you perceive things becomes your reality.
joe rogan
But what about things that are tangible, like games?
Like a game of basketball.
If you throw a ball and it does not go into the hoop, then it does not go into the hoop.
sam tripoli
That's not a perception thing.
unidentified
Those are little things.
Right, right.
sam tripoli
Those are little things.
But overall...
Overall, you could be like, okay, is that a good shot or was that a garbage shot?
Well, I tried to take my shot and that could be a good part of that.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
The interpretation of the energy.
That's what I'm all about.
joe rogan
The interpretation of the energy.
sam tripoli
So my whole thing is when we take a look at everything going on in the world, which is like, is there a small group of people that are running everything, right?
joe rogan
It seems like there is.
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
What is that World Economic Forum?
What is Davos?
sam tripoli
Have you ever gotten into that?
joe rogan
Did you see that post?
There was a post that...
Fuck, who made it?
Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.
But I pulled it aside just because I'm like, wait a minute.
Did you really fucking say this?
It was a Klaus Schwab quote.
It was attributed to Klaus Schwab saying that we need to get rid of private vehicles.
sam tripoli
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Was that real?
Did he really say that?
sam tripoli
Oh, I mean they put out that video that says, you know, in the 2030, you'll own nothing and love it!
joe rogan
I'll send it to you, Jamie.
Yeah, I did see that.
sam tripoli
And some guy from Central Casting is just smiling.
joe rogan
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
That's what it said.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
Well, then someone's got to own it because they're renting it to me.
sam tripoli
No, you'll own nothing.
Well, not you.
Me, I won't own nothing, but they'll own everything.
joe rogan
World Economic Forum urges public to eliminate ownership of private vehicles.
unidentified
Do you think he is rising the bus?
sam tripoli
How about his dad, bro?
joe rogan
That's from someone, Gateway Pundit.
World Economic Forum urges public to eliminate ownership of private vehicles.
Did he really say that?
That seems like a crazy thing to say.
sam tripoli
Well, you know, it's super interesting, man, who they are and what they represent.
jamie vernon
This paper they put out on July 18th, which...
joe rogan
Three circular economy approaches to reduce demand for critical metals.
Oh, wow.
And this is...
Who put this out?
jamie vernon
This is on the World Economic Forum.
joe rogan
The World Economic Forum.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shifting from fossil fuels to renewables...
Requires huge amounts of critical metals, which is true.
Recycling alone won't be enough to sustain them.
Oh, I get it.
They fucking played the old switcheroo on us.
You got to get an electric car.
So actually, now that we've got you off the fossil fuels, that's not enough.
sam tripoli
Not even cars.
joe rogan
No, you don't need a car.
Recycling is not going to be enough to sustain the amount of materials needed.
So we need to increase sharing, reuse, and a preference for longevity to reduce demand.
What does that even mean?
sam tripoli
Who's gonna own the Ubers?
joe rogan
Interpret that, please.
We need to increase sharing, reuse, and a preference for longevity to reduce demand.
What does that mean?
Why is that so ambiguous?
I get reduced in sharing, I get reusing, but a preference for longevity to reduce demand?
What does that mean?
Do you know what that means?
jamie vernon
Don't buy new cars a lot.
joe rogan
But preference for longevity.
So preferring older cars?
Is that what it's saying?
jamie vernon
To prefer to own it over a longer period of time.
unidentified
Like Cuba?
joe rogan
Like communist Cuba?
They have the dopest old cars.
sam tripoli
You can't own anything.
That's basically what they're saying.
Buy our shit.
joe rogan
Use our shit.
They have cars in Cuba.
They have dope old cars.
sam tripoli
Which I love old cars.
joe rogan
Oh my god have you ever seen like those photographs of because what they've done is they've maintained them and taken care of them and like Reap you know like refix them and refinish them.
They're fucking amazing.
Yeah, they have like 1950s dope-ass cars So if you can find like I know there's articles have been written on the cars of Cuba Poverty makes you find ways to thrive, right?
sam tripoli
You have to figure out a way to play the game and win the game with limited resources and that would be taking an old car and learning how to make it look amazing.
That is kind of the game, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, that's always been like a prideful thing for people.
If you can afford a car, you know, fix it up.
Like, look at that Cars in Cuba photo gallery where the green car is in the center.
The top, yeah, right there.
One more over.
No, you missed it.
sam tripoli
That's a gorgeous car.
joe rogan
Right there, yeah.
Look at that.
Look at those cars, man.
That's incredible.
So they do have a few modern cars.
You can see that car is pretty modern.
But I think part of the issue is, we could find this out, I think part of the issue is that it's hard to get cars over there.
Why is Cuba filled with classic cars?
Let's see what it says.
The story of classic cars in Cuba is full of political and historical significance.
Cuba has never had a car manufacturing industry, so they relied solely on automotive imports to populate the island's roads.
During the Cuban-Spanish-American War, the first car ever imported to Cuba was...
How do you say that?
La Parisin?
sam tripoli
I'm illiterate, bro.
joe rogan
From a little-known French manufacturer in 1898. However, the turn of the century, Cuba's primary source of cars and parts was the United States.
So that's what it is.
Okay, 20th century...
By 1956, there were more than 140,000 cars in Cuba.
Okay, and then the Cuban Revolution and the embargo is 59...
And it says, saw a change in the island's automotive industry as old friends became foes.
Fidel Castro placed an embargo on the US and foreign imports.
Oh, you couldn't get cars in there.
sam tripoli
Any cars!
joe rogan
Which meant no American cars were exported to the island.
The embargo even extended to include car parts, which had serious implications for Cuban car owners.
With no new cars coming into the country and no parts available to make repairs, car owners had to make a choice.
Either let their cars rust in the garage or use what parts they had available and make repairs themselves.
Wow.
So they just started figuring out how to make parts, I guess.
sam tripoli
How to make their own parts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They needed to become a mechanic and created innovative ways to keep their cars running.
Unfortunately, as the ban on American cars included American car parts, Cuban locals were forced to make repairs and restorations using parts gleaned from Russian and Chinese vehicles.
Primaria, the plethora of...
Oh, that's right.
I'd heard a lot of these cars have different engines in them.
Like, they don't have the original engine in them.
unidentified
Ah!
sam tripoli
But aren't there places in, like, China that make old car parts?
Like, let's say you own, like, a fancy old car and you need a new part.
They don't make them in the regular car manufacturers, so there's places in China that make old car parts.
joe rogan
I'm sure they probably do.
I mean, they definitely do in America.
There's a company called Year One.
It's a really dope company.
And Year One makes classic car parts.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, say if you have a 1969 Camaro, you can get a 1969 Camaro Fender.
Yeah.
A full-on replica Fender.
Make sure that's true.
Because I know they have a lot of stuff.
sam tripoli
Sounds true.
joe rogan
Go to Year One.
It's like Year One auto stuff.
But basically, because so many people in America love classic cars, they've developed this industry where they can, you know, give you replaceable parts.
And then there's companies that, like, make you a brand new classic car.
So this is, uh, yeah.
So it's all stuff that they'll make, like, A-body, 1962 to 1976 Dodge Duster.
Let's go to that, because that's pretty obscure.
Well, actually, go to the Barracuda.
Go to the Barracuda.
Okay, so 1970, 1974, eBody, Barracuda, what do they sell?
jamie vernon
Might not have a lot of stuff in stock right now.
joe rogan
New or selling items?
Does it say anything?
Does it have anything?
jamie vernon
That would come up.
joe rogan
Okay, but what...
sam tripoli
None of that stuff down there?
joe rogan
All that stuff down there?
What is all that stuff?
jamie vernon
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
So those are...
Oh, see, step one section.
jamie vernon
This is a website.
joe rogan
Right, it's a little clunky, right?
The website's a little clunky.
So go to engine.
Yeah, let's just go to engine.
So click on that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
sam tripoli
Ah, there we go.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
sam tripoli
It's like you, how dare you question me?
joe rogan
Oh my God, they have so much for sale.
They have everything.
Look at all this shit.
jamie vernon
That's a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, alternators and 500 wedge crate engine.
Oh, go back, please.
500 wedge crate engine.
505 horsepower.
They have...
Oh, look at all these different engine mounts.
Oh, they have all kinds of shit.
They have different blocks.
Yeah.
sam tripoli
You can build your own classic new car, basically.
joe rogan
Basically a classic new car.
And then there's other companies that will do it for you from scratch.
There's this company called Revology.
I think he only does Mustangs, but dude, these cars are insane.
He makes a Mustang, he takes like, I don't know what of the old car you even have to have, because it's not the old car.
It's a fucking completely brand new Mustang.
sam tripoli
I want one of those so bad.
joe rogan
That's a 67. That's a GT350, I think.
That is a wicked car, man.
And this guy will make you a new one of them.
Look at the inside of it.
It's incredible.
sam tripoli
What's that cost you?
joe rogan
A shitload of money.
I don't know, but it's worth it if you have it.
It's a shitload of money.
But see, the difference is, people, no, it's not worth it.
You're right.
Nothing's worth that amount of money.
Go back up to that first image, the blue one.
Yeah, right there.
Nothing's worth the amount of money.
Like if you're talking like hundreds of thousands of dollars for a car.
But that thing is a fucking rolling work of art.
And it might be one of the only reasons why you would want to have that kind of money.
sam tripoli
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Look at that thing, man.
sam tripoli
If you can afford it, I mean...
joe rogan
Bro, look at that thing.
sam tripoli
That's art right there.
unidentified
That is art.
joe rogan
And maybe some people don't get it.
I get it.
Like, some people think my...
You know, I have classic cars.
Some people think they look stupid.
I was like, I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
They're loud, and they're fucking noisy, and they're bumpy, and they don't handle as good, but there's a difference in what's going on.
You're looking at it like a Yugo.
You're looking at it like a thing that gets you from point A to point B. You're looking at it like a Prius.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is not a Prius.
sam tripoli
No, no, no, no, no.
That is American ingenuity and it's a powerhouse.
joe rogan
It's American art.
sam tripoli
How can you look at that and think that looks stupid?
joe rogan
Bro, that thing is so sick.
That's a 1968. That's the same car from Steve McQueen and Bullitt.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Does it make it a little smaller?
sam tripoli
Like, that looks stupid?
A Prius looks stupid.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that thing is sexy.
sam tripoli
That is gorgeous.
joe rogan
Look how sexy that car is.
They just knew how to make cars back then, man.
It's the weirdest thing that a country, an industry, can figure out this insanely compelling shape and then lose it.
It was like, it just vanished.
What they had versus what it became.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those things became gross.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
You look at Mustangs from like the 80s.
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
Like, yuck.
I used to drive one of those.
I was in a high-speed car chase with a tow truck driver and a police helicopter driving one of those, like the 80s, 90s Mustang that Pablo Francisco gave me in a card game that he won and Rita Piazza was like, I fucking hate this car.
unidentified
Shut the fuck up.
Really?
sam tripoli
And I needed a car and she gave it to me.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
sam tripoli
I was at a Laker game and me and my buddy Scott Ross, who owns 10th Planet in Ventura, we were going to a Laker game.
We got done.
I might have been partying that night a little bit, but I go and I go to the 7-Eleven.
I buy some stuff.
I get back in my car and I back up and I don't see this tow truck driver had parked illegally and I hit his car.
And I was like, what should I do?
And a voice inside my head says, go!
And I'm like, bro!
And I just go, right?
So we're just driving and I'm just driving.
Suddenly I hear, I look back, this tow truck driver is chasing me.
And we're just, and then all of a sudden we get into like this Robert De Niro Ronin like car chase scene through West Hollywood, all through West Hollywood.
And we get on Santa Monica and this car was like a beat up car.
It was like a junk car.
This guy's so crazy, this tow truck driver.
He drives up on the sidewalk and blocks all of the traffic from going.
And I had nowhere to go.
So I was like, fuck it, bro.
I back it up and I shoot the intersection.
I jump the intersection.
Boom!
And I take off.
And the way I got away was I valet parked my car at the Standard Hotel.
And Maz Jabani took me and we went down and did our weekend at La Jolla.
That's a true story, dude.
joe rogan
I just valley parked your car.
I was like, not mine.
sam tripoli
Yeah, yeah, take it, dude.
And I got out of there, dude.
joe rogan
What year was this?
sam tripoli
This had to be early 2000s.
And I didn't have a car, and he gave me a car.
joe rogan
Could you imagine what it was like if you got arrested in the 60s and there was no computers?
Like, how did they know?
sam tripoli
You could get away with a lot more shit back then.
joe rogan
I can imagine.
If you're a bank robber and you're fleeing the state.
sam tripoli
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
How the fuck would they know?
If you got like two, three states away, how the fuck would they know it was you?
sam tripoli
I think you just gotta get on one off-ramp and you are gone.
joe rogan
I mean, did they have significantly less crime?
sam tripoli
Well, I mean, there were less laws, right?
So there were probably less criminals.
I mean, every day there's a new law.
You're like, I'm going to jail for what now?
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
Well, if they start making laws about this stuff, like what you can and can't own, that's when people are going to wake up.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tripoli
Have you ever looked into Klaus Schwab's, like, dad?
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
Have you ever heard of New Schwabenland?
joe rogan
New Schwabenland?
sam tripoli
You've never heard of New Schwabenland?
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
Have you ever heard of Operation High Jump?
unidentified
I knew I was going to love this podcast.
joe rogan
No.
Dude, it's crazy.
What does that mean?
sam tripoli
Okay.
So, at one point, some people are like, what's going on with Antarctica?
Have you heard this?
Where they sent Admiral Byrd up?
joe rogan
What's going on in Antarctica?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
So, the U.S. government's like, something's going on with Antarctica.
There's some activity up there.
We want to find out what's going on.
So, they send this cat named Admiral Byrd up to investigate with a giant...
A fleet to go bang, bro.
joe rogan
When was this?
sam tripoli
I think this was in the...
When was Eisenhower in?
Was it the 50s?
Yeah, it was right around...
Either around World War II or right after it.
So they sent Avril Byrd up To go find out.
And according to his journal that they found much later, he basically met with UFOs.
Nazi UFOs.
joe rogan
What?
sam tripoli
Yes.
joe rogan
Nazi UFOs?
sam tripoli
The Nazis.
joe rogan
The Nazis had a flying saucer.
sam tripoli
Had made a deal, basically, working with...
What?
You've never heard this.
unidentified
No.
sam tripoli
It's the greatest story ever, bro.
It's the greatest story.
joe rogan
So the Nazis made a deal with the aliens?
sam tripoli
Yes.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
sam tripoli
For technology.
And the deal was they were going to work together, okay?
I know this sounds crazy.
So basically the aliens go down and Klaus Schwab's dad go down and meet Eisenhower.
He's going to be like, we can either do it one way or the other way.
We can do it nice or we can do it the wrong way.
And that's where they say Eisenhower made a deal.
With these aliens.
That they could kidnap people and do experiments, but they couldn't just do it anywhere.
They had specific places, which were our national forest.
unidentified
What?
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude!
You've never heard of this.
joe rogan
You're making this sound as if this is like a story that is commonplace.
sam tripoli
Well, for my people, it is.
joe rogan
Jamie, count me out here.
Have you heard the story?
jamie vernon
Honestly, brand new.
unidentified
You've never heard of this?
sam tripoli
You've never heard of Operation High Jump, bro?
jamie vernon
I feel like I've heard of that, but I haven't not in this context.
joe rogan
This sounds amazing.
Please keep going.
sam tripoli
And this is where the missing 411 come from.
joe rogan
The missing information?
What missing information?
sam tripoli
No, the missing 411. What do you mean by that?
Which is all these people have mysteriously disappeared in force.
joe rogan
Oh, you're not talking about the missing 411-like information?
sam tripoli
No, no, no.
joe rogan
So missing 411 is the number of people that have been abducted?
sam tripoli
Yeah, and it's all really weird because they all have a lot of similar characteristics.
German-born, German background, highly intelligent.
I don't know how weird you want to get, bro.
joe rogan
I want to get weird.
sam tripoli
Okay, bro.
They think this might be some time-traveling Nazi shit, bro.
I know you're going to think I'm crazy, but it's true, dude.
That's what they believe, and they made a deal.
joe rogan
Who is these they?
These they folk?
When you say they believe, who are these they?
sam tripoli
The conspiracy people.
joe rogan
Are they united?
sam tripoli
No, there's a whole different...
unidentified
There's a lot of warring clans, bro.
sam tripoli
There's a lot of warring clans, dude.
How deep do you want to go?
joe rogan
What is interesting is how advanced the engineering of the Germans was.
You know, it's really interesting.
When you think about car manufacturers like Audi and Volkswagen, Mercedes, it's all out of BMW. Didn't BMW make engines for Nazi fighter pilots?
I think that's what they first started off doing.
sam tripoli
They all did.
joe rogan
But I think that's what BMW did, right?
sam tripoli
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
And Audi made Hitler a car.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hitler had a race car.
sam tripoli
That was never part of their marketing plan, though.
That would have been a crazy campaign.
joe rogan
What does it say there?
jamie vernon
1939, BMW 801D, piston.
joe rogan
Piston, radial aircraft engine, and national origin is Germany.
jamie vernon
World War II planes.
joe rogan
In that year, they made World War II planes.
They made engines for World War II planes.
It's wild, man.
sam tripoli
I mean, IBM was making stuff for these camps, too, dude.
It's crazy.
IBM? Yeah.
They had computers?
jamie vernon
We've talked about that before.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What was that?
jamie vernon
There's a book.
joe rogan
What did they do?
jamie vernon
It was the precursor to actual computers.
It was like a filing system to keep track of stuff.
sam tripoli
Yeah, of who was where and what into these camps.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
I'm remembering this.
sam tripoli
And then, oh yeah, man.
It gets super weird.
joe rogan
But the place called IBM, right?
Was it called something else?
jamie vernon
I think it was IBM. Yeah, the book is called IBM and the Holocaust, the Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany.
sam tripoli
I mean, you ain't fucking around with that title, huh?
joe rogan
That title is rough.
Yeah.
If you're IBM, you gotta be like, fuck, did we do that?
Did we really do this?
The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's most powerful corporation expanded.
Interesting.
sam tripoli
So the area of Antarctica they went to was New Schwabenland.
joe rogan
New Schwabenland.
Do you think that's why he dresses with the space?
sam tripoli
100%.
joe rogan
So they're all in contact with the aliens.
sam tripoli
I think, well, dude, I mean, a lot of people think it's about power and money.
joe rogan
What do you think it's about?
sam tripoli
It's spiritual war, dude.
These people got all the money and all the power.
They got more than they could ever want.
joe rogan
I think they want complete control.
sam tripoli
But that gets into spirituality, not just complete control, but lowering your vibration and jacking your louche.
Your spirit energy.
joe rogan
You think they're doing that consciously or do you think they're doing it like they're chasing the economics and along the way it actually becomes a spiritual battle because everything is a spiritual battle?
sam tripoli
I think it's done purposely.
I think they're evil.
I think there's low frequency stuff going on and they've made deals with people and things and that's what I think is going on.
joe rogan
That was very ambiguous, but I understand where you're going with it.
sam tripoli
Okay.
I mean, if you want me, I just don't want to get too weird too fast, bro.
unidentified
Too fast?
joe rogan
We just opened up.
We're good.
sam tripoli
I 100% believe this is a spiritual war and that these people are working with dark entities, and that's what this is all about.
joe rogan
Let's imagine this.
If there was like an alien race that came here from another planet and gave just a random group of people technology.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gave them an understanding of things and how to do things.
How much of a record do you think they would keep of that?
Wouldn't that be something that people would want to talk about?
sam tripoli
Yeah, but that's the beauty of the internet, that we're now able to do that.
We could never do that before.
joe rogan
So you think that's what the story's about?
The story's about they went there and they met with aliens and the aliens gave them information?
sam tripoli
I mean, Hitler was really into the occult.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was.
sam tripoli
Like, he would send people all over the place.
joe rogan
He had a lot of bad ideas.
sam tripoli
Yeah, he had a lot of bad ideas.
But see, the occult has a negative connotation to it.
Not everything involved with the occult is negative.
What the occult really means is secret.
joe rogan
Secret.
sam tripoli
So there's not as much around.
joe rogan
That's what the word means?
sam tripoli
Yeah, it basically means like it's hidden.
joe rogan
I always associate it with people that believe in silly shit.
When someone starts talking about the occult, I'm always like, how do you feel about ghosts?
When people start talking about dark magic, I'm like, for real?
You sure?
sam tripoli
I believe in that there's some energy manipulation, but- I don't disbelieve.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't disbelieve.
sam tripoli
Listen, I don't know what's going on.
I just kind of read stuff and I'm like, how does this fit into the puzzle, right?
How does this fit into the jigsaw of life?
And you start looking around and you just start going, okay, man, this is interesting.
That is interesting.
This starts to make sense.
Because if you look at it from a power and money point of view, it doesn't make any sense.
Why would you want everybody to lose their jobs?
Why would you want everybody to be staying at home?
If nobody's making any money, then you don't make any money.
joe rogan
I don't think that's true.
I think you just got to keep people at like a constant level of consumerism and a constant level of work and you'll always make money.
But you control the money this way.
The way to control people is to control their access to food and goods and control their access to travel.
So if you could limit their travel, if you can tell them that traveling's bad, if you can tell them that if they have to travel, they have to travel with other people, and then if you could change their food and tell them they have to eat bugs.
You have to eat bugs.
They're literally pushing that you're eating bugs.
They're pushing, you gotta stop eating meat.
Are you sure that regenerative farming isn't real?
Because the people that run it are saying that they can literally get to a zero carbon state where they're not emitting any extra carbon.
They can do that with regenerative farming.
I just don't think they can do it for millions of people.
sam tripoli
Yeah, that is the problem.
joe rogan
That's the problem with regenerative farming to me.
The reason why they do factory farming, it's fucking gross and terrific.
sam tripoli
It is.
joe rogan
So many people are eating meat.
sam tripoli
How are you going to feed that many people?
joe rogan
I think that synthetic meat has a real shot.
It's not really synthetic.
I don't think that's the right word for it.
What is the word for the meat that they're making where they're basically like reproducing steak cells?
Like they're making a lab-grown steak, but it's actual meat.
This is interesting to me because I'm like, if they're doing like...
If they can figure out what the building blocks for an actual cell are and recreate it perfectly, and if they could do that in some sort of a form that makes it a stake, that would mean they could probably do that if someone gets their arm blown off.
That would mean they could probably do, you know what I mean?
sam tripoli
Yeah, for sure.
That'd be great.
joe rogan
Like, that might happen 50 years from now with the same kind of technology.
They might create meat.
I think now they're just making it's like mush, and they put it together with like fat, and they just- They're just not very presentable at this point.
What does it look like?
Cultured meat.
That's what they're calling it.
sam tripoli
Oh, I love the names they come up with for stuff.
It's such a great sell.
Cultured meat.
It's been around the world.
unidentified
It's cultured.
joe rogan
It's from France.
It's a meat produced by in vitro cell cultures of animal cells.
It's a form of cellular agriculture, which such agricultural methods being explored in the context of increased consumer demand for protein.
So what does it look like?
Let's see what a lab-grown steak looks like.
You think it looks delicious?
sam tripoli
Probably looks like a lab-grown vagina.
joe rogan
Shady as shit.
That's lab-grown?
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Oh, you know what that is?
That's tiger steak.
What that is is lab-grown tiger steak.
So they've reproduced other animals' tissue.
That looks like a fucking real steak, man.
sam tripoli
That does.
joe rogan
That's lab-grown steak?
Is that really lab-grown?
sam tripoli
Do you think there's not enough food, though, Joe?
Do you think that's an issue right now, that there's not enough?
joe rogan
I have not done any accounting on how much food there is.
Have you?
sam tripoli
Well, you know, we hear a lot of stories about, you know, we subsidize farmers not to grow, and it's just like, if it's an issue...
joe rogan
Well, you know why they do that, though?
sam tripoli
Why?
joe rogan
They started doing that because in World War...
I think it was World War II... And the reason why they started doing it is because they wanted to make sure they were never caught without grain and caught without food.
Because there was, you know, one of the scariest things about war, particularly in those days, was famine.
Like, if you were cut off to a supply of food and food couldn't come in.
I mean, obviously, everything about war is horrible.
Everything about it.
But famine is kind of crazy, and I think they were trying to avoid that by supplying, you know, making sure there was like a surplus.
And so they made some deals with farmers.
Make sure this is an accurate interpretation.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it was, though.
So that's why they started subsidizing farmers.
sam tripoli
To save the soil?
joe rogan
Well, because we're at war.
And then they just kept doing it.
Now, I don't know how much has changed.
I really don't know much about subsidies and how they work, but I do know that, you know, we make a shitload of corn that most of it is used for animal food.
The U.S. government created farm subsidies during the Great Depression to offset the surplus of crops and low prices of both crops and livestock.
sam tripoli
Okay.
joe rogan
Though the Great Depression ended nearly a century ago, subsidized farming persists.
Today, farmers make up less than 1% of the U.S. population.
Hmm.
So what was the food subsidies that took place during World War II? Was that World War I? Yeah.
Was that when the Great Depression was?
jamie vernon
It was in between them.
joe rogan
Okay, so maybe that's what I fucked up, the year of it.
So that's essentially...
They had to do it because we needed food.
We needed to make sure you didn't fucking starve.
Back then, people had to get together and work to help.
They would make things for the war effort.
You're supposed to donate tires, and people would donate...
Pots and pans and metals and shit and they would melt them down and make bullets out of them.
It was a crazy united time in a way that I don't think we really understand today.
sam tripoli
It was a crazy time.
Everybody came together and I just wonder if we could ever do that now today.
I feel like people are starting to wake up.
joe rogan
Maybe.
sam tripoli
And coming together a little bit more.
joe rogan
But the point is, that's the subsidy.
That's where it started.
It started for a good reason.
It started because they were really trying to feed people.
And they were in the middle of a war.
sam tripoli
Right.
But for me, and it's also that they said that it was also about controlling the price of Of product, right?
unidentified
That's right, for sure.
joe rogan
Definitely, too.
sam tripoli
Because if you flood the market, right, it's just everyone's buying it for pennies on the dollar.
They can get it everywhere, which is fine.
I'm totally great, but I'm very nervous about what's happening with these farmers right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is strange, right?
It's strange what they're doing in, is it the Netherlands?
sam tripoli
Netherlands, Canada?
joe rogan
Italy?
The Netherlands where they're having these, they're blocking streets and lighting things on fire because they're proposing these new things to farmers that's basically going to put farmers out of business in terms of like how much methane you produce, right?
sam tripoli
They can produce, right?
Which is how many cows they can own.
joe rogan
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
I think there is some feed that you can use that reduces the amount of methane a cow produces, but I mean, how are they doing that?
sam tripoli
And do we really think it's cows farting that's the problem, right?
joe rogan
It is a problem.
Really is a problem.
sam tripoli
But is it anything like what's going on in these giant cities that we live in?
joe rogan
Well, you would think it wouldn't be until you realize how big some of these farms are and how many cows they have.
And that's how they feed millions and millions and millions of people.
Most people are removed from the fucking horrific reality of meat farming and dairy farming.
But the reality is, there's a lot of those fucking animals.
There's a lot of them, and they're all farting, and it's really burping.
Burping's the real problem.
sam tripoli
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, burping's the big problem, more than farting.
You know, but the people that are the fans of regenerative agriculture, I'd love for them to sit down with someone who is like an economic realist who could tell us, like, can you do this everywhere?
Can you have animals just run free and shit, and then you have the chickens around, and then you have the pigs run, and they do everything they want to do, and the whole soil stays healthy from the manure and the way they eat it and everything, the way they eat the greens?
Or are you bullshitting me?
Like, is the only way to make McDonald's burgers for a billion people, is the only way to stuff these animals into these fucking cages and do that horrific shit that we see in those videos?
sam tripoli
Yes.
joe rogan
That's the question.
sam tripoli
It is a hard question, too, because there are so many people.
joe rogan
So this is where I get excited about lab-grown meat.
I think the best possible solution is those two things.
Regenerative agriculture, but you only can produce a certain amount.
Because realistically, it seems like you would not be able to produce as much.
You wouldn't have as much land.
I mean, if you're just gonna have cows everywhere, are we gonna just have cows everywhere?
sam tripoli
It's like India.
It's like fucking up traffic.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if we realized we have two choices?
unidentified
We have factory farming or cows just roaming, dude.
joe rogan
It's the only way we can keep up with all the steak houses and all the Five Guys burgers.
We just have fucking cows everywhere.
sam tripoli
Can't touch them on the street.
That's going to feed a family.
Let them enjoy his life, right?
joe rogan
Dude, that might be the solution.
Just keep it wild.
So it's one of those two things.
It's either factory-grown meat, lab-grown meat, cultured meat, or regenerative agriculture.
sam tripoli
What is the new one that they're putting out?
Near meat, or almost meat, or something meat?
joe rogan
I think McDonald's just bailed on their Beyond Burger thing.
sam tripoli
Yeah, that's it.
Beyond Meat, right?
And then it had an insane amount of...
Seed oils.
It's not good for you.
Yeah, not good for you.
joe rogan
You want to eat vegetarian, there's plenty of really healthy things you can eat.
If you want to eat vegetarian, you should eat real vegetarian food, not some fake fucking meat thing.
If you want to be a vegetarian, eat Indian food, it's delicious.
There was a place, I mean, there's a lot of delicious vegetarian food, but there was a place near my house back in L.A. And it was this total Indian joint.
Like, everybody spoke Hindi.
Is that what it is?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hindi?
sam tripoli
I'm cool with that.
joe rogan
Is that how you say it?
They spoke in their native language, and everything was in their native language, and it was all vegetarian.
It was this crazy, authentic place.
sam tripoli
I love that restaurants do that, too.
Like, you go into a certain ethnic restaurant, you want to see those people working there.
If it's a bunch of hipsters, you're like, oh, this is going to suck, right?
But you go in there and it's authentic, bro.
You're good to go.
joe rogan
It was literally like you were transported to a small shop in India.
That's what it's like.
And the food's legit.
That's my point.
It's like, eat real food.
Don't be eating that nonsense.
Unless you like it.
I don't give a fuck.
sam tripoli
Yeah, man.
I mean, like, I've lost some weight.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm happy fat, but I'm also happy in shape, too.
So it's like...
joe rogan
How'd you lose weight?
sam tripoli
I did intermediate fasting.
joe rogan
Intermediate?
sam tripoli
Or whatever it's called.
joe rogan
What's it called?
Intermittent.
sam tripoli
Yeah, that too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I've done that.
sam tripoli
Yeah, I did that.
I'm good for 48. 72, I'm ready to go on a killing spree.
joe rogan
You do 48-hour fasts?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
That's a long time.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
I was doing 22s mostly, but then I got to 48. And I liked it, man.
I was losing weight, but man, I was getting like...
joe rogan
I think we eat entirely too much food.
I mean, it's pretty evident when you look at the population.
And when I say we, I definitely include me.
I eat too much food.
I like it.
I'm a glutton.
But if you look at the rest of the population, most people don't eat like us.
sam tripoli
Well, they stretch us really thin, we're working more than we ever have, so sometimes we gotta stop, and the only thing open is that yellow arch, and you're like, oh man, I haven't ate that in a month, and then you eat it, and your body's like, go fuck yourself!
joe rogan
You just ate a preservative bomb.
You know what's the most amazing thing?
They take those burgers and they put them on a shelf and they never rot.
sam tripoli
It's great.
unidentified
You're like, this is not good for anybody.
joe rogan
Let's find out how much of that's true.
I know there's photographs of Big Macs that are on shelves that are just sitting there forever.
sam tripoli
Or you're looking like something you're drinking, you're like good for like 10, 15 years, you're like, this ain't healthy.
joe rogan
Not healthy.
sam tripoli
Not healthy at all?
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
I try to eat good, man, but I also like to eat like shit.
I like to have occasional...
unidentified
Of course!
sam tripoli
Right?
joe rogan
Everybody does.
sam tripoli
Oh, man.
joe rogan
There's like an extra thing to eating like shit, because you know you're giving your body a little treat.
sam tripoli
I go to McDonald's, get that vanilla ice cream, and every time I show up, there's like a race ride about to break out right there.
It's like some giant black trans about to fight Cholos on the other side of the fucking...
Every time I go to this one.
Which one are you going to?
It's on La Brea near Santa Monica.
joe rogan
So look at this.
Scroll back up so I can read the thing.
It said, found McDonald's cheeseburger looks exactly the same after five years.
I wonder if it's edible.
Can you imagine if someone just fucking ate that thing?
Five years.
He had to eat it.
sam tripoli
He had to try it.
joe rogan
Look at this.
She vowed to...
Megan Condry has vowed to ditch fast food altogether after she found the burger still looks exactly the same as the day she bought it back in 2017. Megan from Washington DC decided to conduct the experiment after noticing a forgotten burger in the back of her car had not started to rot after five days.
She said, it was untouched until around three weeks ago.
I was in the closet sorting out my Christmas stuff and I knocked the bag and the burger rolled out.
I'd forgotten about it.
It was rock hard, as hard as a hockey puck.
I could probably smash a window with it.
Everything is completely dry.
And it could start to crumble.
sam tripoli
She sounds like an alcoholic that hides bottles all over the place.
She's just like hiding fast food so no one knows she's eating it.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I mean, dude, you know it's not healthy when it's turn and burn that quickly.
But sometimes you just gotta, you know, people are spread thin, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tripoli
They gotta eat, dude, and it's like...
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I get it.
No, I'm not an anti-fast food person.
I mean, I'm a person that says, like, just don't eat it all the time.
Don't make that your whole diet.
sam tripoli
Anything too much, right?
Anything.
joe rogan
But that kind of stuff in specific.
It's like when you get in a habit of having, like, chocolate shakes and burgers and fries and, you know, those fucking...
Buns and all the sauces and everything you get in a habit of that and then You're just giving your body too much to get rid of your you know, it's that's not nutrients Yeah, you're giving your body like this just rush of sugar and there's a lot of protein and fats in there too So like by itself like what I like to do is go to in and out and get those.
How do they do it?
What is it called?
Flying Dutchman?
Is that what they call it?
sam tripoli
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
In-N-Out is the best.
But the Flying Dutchman is like they take a cheeseburger patty and they put a piece of cheese on it and that's it.
sam tripoli
Is that animal style?
joe rogan
No.
Animal style is when they pile a bunch of crazy shit on it.
See, that's the Flying Dutchman.
That's the Flying Dutchman with onions.
So no lettuce, no nothing, just the meat and the cheese.
So that's like the least guilt-free shit for me.
unidentified
Because I'm just getting ground beef, nothing cheese.
joe rogan
It's pretty fucking good.
sam tripoli
That's why the line is around the block every time.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's a flying Dutchman on french fries.
Animals.
Look at these fucking sandwiches.
sam tripoli
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Going hard.
sam tripoli
Dude, Carl's Jr. one time was just...
Whatever they could shove on a burger was their new burger.
It was like lettuce, tomato, a bike, an elephant.
It just was like...
It was just so ridiculous.
And it's like...
That's the most unhealthy shit I've ever seen in my life.
But it looked good and tastes good.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
The In-N-Out thing is like, what they've done is said, look, it's going to take longer because we're going to cook it right now, but it's going to be better.
So you have to wait.
And everybody's like, let's do it.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whereas everywhere else, you want it right now, which is so crazy that they already have a cheeseburger ready for you.
sam tripoli
Before you're even done ordering it, they're handing you your order.
joe rogan
It takes time to make a fucking cheeseburger.
The fact that you can get it so fast.
sam tripoli
Dude, I have the metabolism of a dead person.
I once gained weight driving.
I felt my pants getting tighter, so I had to take off my belt as I was driving to a gig.
joe rogan
You were eating in the car?
sam tripoli
Oh yeah, and I could just feel like I had to undo my pants just so I could breathe.
That's fast, dude.
So I have really bad...
My metabolism is super slow, so I can gain weight doing nothing.
joe rogan
Has the intermittent fasting helped that?
sam tripoli
Yeah, for sure.
So I had a show called Wild World of Spike on Spike TV. I remember that.
I was doing like stunts.
I didn't even know what the show was about when I got it because I just wanted to be on TV. Who was on that with you?
Me and Jason Ellis and Kit Cope.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
sam tripoli
Ellis is doing stand-up right now.
He's so funny, dude, because he's lived such a crazy life.
It's like fun watching someone starting to learn stand-up, and you kind of give them a couple tips here and there to lead them in their way.
So we were doing a show, and I discovered what a hematoma was.
I didn't know what that was before, and then I would get these stunts, and he's...
Giant hematomas on my leg, and I just gained this layer of permafat that I never lost.
I probably started to show around 175, and I ballooned up to almost 200 maybe, and I kept it forever.
And then doing this fasting helped me finally shed a lot of that fat that I had forever that I could never get rid of.
joe rogan
You must feel much better too, right?
sam tripoli
I love it, dude.
But sobriety and eating better, it's 180, dude.
joe rogan
Nice.
sam tripoli
I wake up every morning and I'm like, oh man, I feel so much better.
joe rogan
Do you have any vices now?
sam tripoli
I have all the vices, bro.
joe rogan
But I mean in terms of cigarettes, alcohol, no alcohol, right?
sam tripoli
No alcohol, no drugs.
joe rogan
No marijuana.
sam tripoli
No marijuana.
You know, I always question, like, at some point, will I ever be able to do shrooms again?
Because shrooms kind of changed my life.
joe rogan
What do you think?
sam tripoli
Maybe.
I mean, I'm just being honest with you, but right now I just enjoy being sober.
But, you know, the whole story about Bill W. at that one point where he had done acid and he wanted everybody to do the 12 steps and then trip balls, and that was going to be the spiritual experience.
And then he almost got ran out, so they're like, okay, no.
joe rogan
It's not interesting because, boy, what a much better organization it would have been.
sam tripoli
It would be interesting.
It would be really interesting.
joe rogan
If you could do that, if you could do the whole spiritual journey and then work yourself into a place where you're capable of doing the psychedelic experience.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
I just don't know if some people can do that.
joe rogan
The problem is, whenever you've got something like that, here's the problem.
It gets culty.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
If you're giving people psychedelics.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's already culty if you're giving them a guideline to live their life.
sam tripoli
Right, right.
joe rogan
Because it's very hard for a person to tell you how to live your life, because it's very hard for a person to live their life.
It's very hard for people to get it together.
So if you're giving advice, like, how good do you have it together, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So if you're telling me that I have to believe in a higher power, and I have to do this, and I have to do that, and this is the way, like, are you sure?
Or is that the way for you?
Maybe it is the way, but it could get culty.
And I'm not saying Alcoholics Anonymous is culty.
I'm saying any kind of organization that starts to tell you what you're supposed to be doing and how to do it, it could get culty.
sam tripoli
I think anything could get culty, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but then you add psychedelics.
sam tripoli
Yeah, then you get weird.
joe rogan
Then you could really get culty.
sam tripoli
If you had movie trivia night and you had psychedelics, it could get culty, right?
joe rogan
Well, I think most of those early cultures that got together, like these fucking circles of wisdom and shit, these motherfuckers are tripping.
sam tripoli
That's what I'm into, dude.
joe rogan
If you ever, there's a guy, Brian Mirorescu, he was on my podcast and he's got an amazing book and it's all about how the ancient Greeks and the ancient Romans were tripping.
It's called The Immortality Key.
It's an amazing book and it's actually opened up a field of study at Harvard now.
They're studying this part of the history of the ancient Greeks because they found these wine vessels And when they do a sample test on the wine vessels, they found ergot.
And ergot is a type of psychedelic.
It mimics like LSD. It's got LSD-like properties.
It's something like lysergic acid or it's related to lysergic acid.
So they definitely had at least that in their stuff.
And they found some other stuff, too.
I think they might have found psilocybin, too.
But that was what their wine was.
Their wine wasn't just wine.
It wasn't just...
So this is one of the things that he went into depth about.
Like, when we think of wine, the wine that we have today, like you get a nice Cabernet.
Oh, delicious.
Oh, I like it with a steak.
Their wine had shit in it.
unidentified
They were pouring weed in there.
joe rogan
They were roofing each other.
Psychedelic mushrooms and shit and fucking ergot.
You know, they think that ergot was responsible for the Salem witch trials.
sam tripoli
Oh, there's a whole bunch to get into that.
Like, schizophrenia, what is that?
And, like, people hearing voices.
Like, I mean, you read all these holy texts.
Everybody heard voices back in the day.
And, like, how we treat those people, it might not be the proper way.
Not saying, you know, they're any kind of, like, shaman or anything.
But there might be some stuff to that.
You know, I hear, I've heard voices.
Like, when I did shrooms at...
joe rogan
Yeah, but when you do shrooms, that's different.
When you do shrooms, it's like you're taking on an entity.
sam tripoli
That's interesting, man.
So when you get into what is alcohol?
Spirits, right?
There's something to that.
joe rogan
The thing I was telling you, though, about the Salem Witch Trials, we could look this up and make sure it's true, but I'm pretty sure it is.
What they did was they did a core sample.
They dig into the earth and through the core sample, I don't know how they make the calculation exactly, but they know where the years were as they go down.
And when they get to the years of the Salem witch trial, it turns out there's a late frost.
And when late frost happens, sometimes plants die and sometimes they get fungus.
And fungus grows on them.
That fungus is called ergot.
And so they found evidence of this stuff.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
In 1976, Linda Corporal offered the first evidence that Salem Witch Trials filed an outbreak of rye ergot.
Ergot is a fungus blight that forms hallucinogenic drugs in bread.
Its victims can appear bewitched.
When they're actually stoned, ergot thrives in a cold winter followed by a wet spring.
So they found evidence of that.
So if they had evidence of that, at least accidentally, they were tripping balls.
Because they were eating.
The bread was so important to them.
That was a big part of how they stayed alive.
They're probably all tripping their fucking balls off.
sam tripoli
Yeah, 100%.
What about the guy whose job it was to go around to determine whether somebody is a witch or not?
joe rogan
Look at this.
According to this theory, the abrupt end of the witch trials in May 1693 happened quite simply because Salem ran out of ergo-contaminated grain.
sam tripoli
Wow!
joe rogan
So the witch is over.
No more witches because we're not tripping balls anymore.
sam tripoli
Oh my god.
I never knew that.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
sam tripoli
That is crazy.
Everybody's on shrooms.
They're like, witch!
joe rogan
Yeah, you imagine you really would think you would be witched.
Like, why am I thinking like this?
Why do I feel this way?
Oh my god, I'm under a spell.
And if you believed in spells, in fucking the 1600s, they believed in spells.
sam tripoli
100%.
joe rogan
100%.
You know?
sam tripoli
That's crazy.
joe rogan
How nuts.
sam tripoli
I did shrooms at the K-Rock Acoustic Christmas about like...
joe rogan
Basically the same thing.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
And I heard a voice, and it's the last time I ever worried about my life.
unidentified
Really?
sam tripoli
It said, you're exactly where you need to be.
I heard it loud.
joe rogan
Wow.
sam tripoli
And I never worried, and then I just went and watched Prophets of Rage just annihilate, bro.
unidentified
Annihilate.
sam tripoli
And it was like, and my life has always been kind of on this nice path since then.
But yeah, shrooms were a big part of my recovery.
And just like all the stuff, having the kids and then this COVID thing forced me to like reevaluate a lot of shit.
And I'm on kind of the spiritual path right now, which is like, I really love it.
I really, it's a much better way of looking at the world.
joe rogan
So, you've made, it's not like you've made like big leaps, like big changes in the way you think about things.
sam tripoli
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huge ones.
sam tripoli
There's this video going around about me and Ari Shafir yelling at each other on my past punch drunk videos, you know, of us doing it.
And I watch and it's super cringy, right?
I watch, I go, but now I understand a lot of stuff, like how my energy was back in the day and how people received it.
And I get it.
I get it.
joe rogan
Was this the running and gunning days?
sam tripoli
This was running and gunning one, not running and gunning two.
This was the earlier days when it was just like blow and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Let me say one thing about you.
You always, even if you were on coke, you were always a cool guy to hang out with.
sam tripoli
Thank you, Joe.
It means a lot to me.
joe rogan
You always were.
You're not one of those guys who does coke and then becomes unmanageable.
sam tripoli
Well, you know what's interesting, Joe?
So, I saw you recently at Christina's party, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tripoli
And the truth of the matter is, is that I was talking about this on my Broken Simulation podcast.
I was...
I drove around that place like 30 times, because I have like really bad social anxiety, and I was just like, gotta go in, gotta go in, and then I was like defensive farting the whole time, right?
Just fair and farting, just blowing up my car.
joe rogan
It was just nerve farts.
sam tripoli
Yeah, nerve farts.
Really bad.
And then I finally went in, and I was like, okay, I'm okay.
But I have, like, really bad.
So, like, that's a big part of, like, why I was doing drugs, too.
Like, to be able to, like, be calm into my, to be into my, like, skin and being able to talk to people.
And, like, I wasn't a good drinker.
I never really liked drinking, but Coke was just like, every time I did blow, I felt like I was like Motley Crue in the Girls, Girls, Girls video, right?
unidentified
Just walking through, pointing the chicks, getting weird, dude, like fucking roll.
sam tripoli
Yeah, I felt like the man.
And then it just, it worked till it didn't work anymore.
And then, you know, just, I had a couple things happen and I fell back and then just like, you know, I had two girls and I said I had to change myself.
I'm somebody's dad, which is like the weirdest thing ever for me.
Like, I'll be with them at the park and I'll look at them and I go, I'm this person's dad, dude.
joe rogan
It's wild.
sam tripoli
It's like I'm going to teach them their moral compass and all that stuff.
It's just a weird feeling, and it's the best feeling I've ever had in my life.
But I sometimes have this out-of-body experience that I'm this person's dad.
It's so weird to me.
But I love it, and I didn't want to embarrass them.
So I decided I'm going to clean up my act.
Go on the spiritual journey and it's been it's been a really great time It's like life is so much easier now so than it was before and it's just You feel like there's less resistance the way you live your life now, right?
joe rogan
Yeah That's a one of the problems with people to get like stuck in patterns, you know You've always behaved a certain way.
I thought a certain way so you get stuck in that pattern You always live your life doing blow and getting crazy you get stuck And so then to create a new pattern, it requires a lot of effort.
You know, it's a big switch.
sam tripoli
I always wanted to set a high score in a game that nobody else was playing, right?
I just wanted to have these rock and roll stories.
I thought we're so important and then I look back like nobody cares it's almost to the point of embarrassment like all this stuff I used to do all this chaos I used to get involved in and but at the time I thought it was what it was super important and then I realized it wasn't and I was just like that's beautiful man that's beautiful for you that you figured that out that you made that adjustment the store and all the stuff like like I So I really enjoy the store.
It's one of my favorite places to go.
I miss the time when you were all there.
It's like I'm the last of one of the Mohegans in terms of the whole death squad crew and all that.
I miss that.
But I also used to love the dead period, too, when we would all go there and there would be like 30 people in the crowd and you could go up there and bomb in dignity and just work on your shit, dude.
joe rogan
It changed.
sam tripoli
It has changed.
joe rogan
It changed, you know, it changed when we came back in 2014. It stopped being...
It changed while I was gone, too.
Because when I came back, they had already started doing Roast Battle.
And I remember watching Roast Battle thinking, like, whoa, this is so creative and it's so important.
Because it was such a joke-writing show.
Like, you had to write jokes to fuck with each other.
And the way Moses does it, because he's such a nice guy, he makes them all hug.
He makes everybody hug at the end.
It's nice.
You're insulting each other, and he's a great host, too.
sam tripoli
That's me and Brian Callen's show.
Brian Callen and mine's show.
We just lay into each other, and then at the end we hug before we go.
joe rogan
But when I came back and I saw that that was happening at the store, I was like, oh, this is very interesting.
This is very interesting.
I'm like, this is a whole different thing.
And Kill Tony, too.
They were doing Kill Tony.
They were doing it in the belly room.
And I remember going in there going, man.
This is really interesting.
Like, this is a crazy show.
You're giving these people one minute, they do stand-up, and then you got Hinchcliffe, who's like the best roaster ever.
sam tripoli
Yeah, super fast.
joe rogan
He's the fastest, dude.
He's the best host of one of those shows I've ever seen.
sam tripoli
I took him on his first road gig.
joe rogan
Did you really?
sam tripoli
Yeah, it's the funniest story ever, dude.
So I'm like, hey, man, you want to do a gig with me?
I forget where it was.
It was like...
It was like Fresno or something like that.
So, you know, it's starting off bad.
And it was for a 7-Eleven Christmas party, right?
So, I'd bring him up and I would do this thing called pre-show, post-show.
Like, how you think you're gonna do, and then reaction to how you actually go.
And it was his first time ever.
And it was so fun to watch him try to figure it out in front of this all 7-Eleven Indian crowd.
It was so funny.
And yeah, it was his first road gig.
And from there he just kind of went boom!
And he's been crushing it ever since.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's killing it.
We just did a gig in Dallas.
sam tripoli
How was it?
joe rogan
It was awesome.
sam tripoli
Dallas is a great town.
joe rogan
It's a great town.
sam tripoli
I love Dallas.
joe rogan
It's a fun town.
sam tripoli
I love Dallas.
I love Houston.
They got futuristic black chicks that I love.
joe rogan
There's something about these big Texas cities.
They're just extra fun.
sam tripoli
And you remember back in the day when you would do stand-up, you'd go to some of the bluer states, and it was very interesting.
The crowds in L.A. now are tricky, I would say.
They're tricky.
You gotta kind of like...
Learn how to present to them.
So I just did a Jimmy Dore show.
He asked me to do stand-up in this tiny theater he does in the Valley.
They're the best crowds.
You can just tee off, right?
And then I'm like, okay, gotta go do stand-up in Hollywood, and now I'm gonna have to figure out what this crowd can handle and what they can't handle.
joe rogan
Right.
sam tripoli
It was never like that before.
unidentified
Right.
sam tripoli
Back in the old days, like, you would just sling dick and comedy dick in L.A., and then you'd have to go on the road and kind of, like, dumb it down a little bit.
It's kind of flipped now.
And it's like, in L.A., you gotta, like, can't say this, can't say that, can't say that, because they're going to shut down right on you.
On the road, you can just tee off.
Like, red states, like, used to be super conservative, right?
They were like...
joe rogan
When do you think that shift happened at the store?
How long ago have you been feeling this way?
sam tripoli
Since everybody started coming back from COVID. It's like a year, two years?
Yeah.
It's not the store.
The store is great.
It's crowds in LA, whether you're at the improv or wherever.
It's like they're everywhere.
Everywhere.
They're way more sensitive.
Like, sarcasm is violent, you know?
LAUGHTER Right?
joe rogan
Well, you know they're not like that here at all.
sam tripoli
I know.
That's why I like to do the road.
joe rogan
But the thing, this is not a red city.
This is a blue city.
The whole thing is not like a red-blue thing.
It's like people lost their fucking marbles versus people kind of went back to living their life and trying to just deal with the fact that it's a disease and hopefully you don't get it and if you get it, get treatment and you know.
sam tripoli
Oh, it's not about the science.
joe rogan
In California, it became a cult.
sam tripoli
It's not about science.
When the conspiracy theorists have been saying the same thing now that they said at the beginning, it's not about science.
They tried to bring that back.
They're like, we might bring it back in Long Beach, Beverly Hills, and who else was it?
Pasadena.
We're like, nope, we're not doing math.
And they're like, yeah, you know what?
The numbers aren't high enough.
We're not going to bring back the math.
It's like, no, dude.
Everybody says the emperor's got no clothes on.
That's what happened right there.
joe rogan
Biden survived it.
Can we end this?
I mean, Jesus Christ.
sam tripoli
I got a crazy story for you.
joe rogan
Crazier than the Nazis meeting with the aliens?
sam tripoli
No, it's right there, though.
joe rogan
Okay.
sam tripoli
So I do have this podcast called Broken Simulation, and I was interviewing a friend of mine named Jeff Hilliard.
And Jeff, it's going to drop this week.
And he used to be a sober companion.
joe rogan
What's that mean?
sam tripoli
Okay, that means when people are newly sober, either someone who loves them will send you in to knock the pipe out of your hand or just to make sure you don't use and abuse or do anything like that.
joe rogan
So someone who goes with you so you don't fuck up.
sam tripoli
Or if you're newly sober and you just want somebody there in case you start getting a little froggy, they stop you from doing stuff.
joe rogan
Got it.
sam tripoli
So he was a sober companion.
He used to go to all these hotels.
And one of his clients at the time was a high-end escort.
And this was like during the election.
And he was having a conversation with her.
And she was like, one of my people that I party with is Hunter Biden.
unidentified
Right?
sam tripoli
And he told her before the election, this is what Jeff says on my show, that they're going to get his dad in by the slimming some margins, and then they're going to figure out a reason to get him out, and they're going to put in Camel Toe Harris.
And that's who they're going to fuck in.
joe rogan
They're not going to do that.
Did you see that video the other day where she announced her pronouns and said she was wearing a blue suit?
They're not going to have her be the president.
sam tripoli
Well, I think she's so bad, but that seems to be...
joe rogan
Maybe they thought that way back in The Wiz End, but I think now, after they've seen how she gets reviewed by the public, she'd be like the most unpopular president by far.
She'd be more unpopular than Dan Quayle.
More unpopular than any of the presidents that we make fun of.
Or vice presidents, rather.
sam tripoli
Right.
She is...
joe rogan
Don't you think?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can't imagine that they would do that.
Can you imagine they would do that?
sam tripoli
Well, I mean, I'm surprised by it.
I mean, I can't really get surprised by anything they do right at this point.
joe rogan
I think they would try to put somebody else in to replace him.
They'd probably...
I mean, if he makes it to the four-year mark, do you think he's going to make it to the four-year mark?
sam tripoli
Not according to this hooker.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing about hookers.
They're always right.
They make good choices.
unidentified
They're psychic, bro.
joe rogan
They make good life choices.
So they're definitely not mentally ill.
And definitely not on drugs.
And definitely don't lie.
unidentified
So I don't know what to tell you.
sam tripoli
I think you already see the rumblings that nobody wants them to run again.
So I think it's going to be super interesting, but who else could they run?
I mean, are they going to run Gavin Newsom?
joe rogan
Do you think they're going to keep Kamala Harris?
Do you think they're going to have two totally new people?
Because if he doesn't run, if he's gone, she doesn't become the vice president, right?
Or she doesn't become the president?
sam tripoli
No.
I mean, if he steps down, yeah, she...
joe rogan
Like right before.
If he steps down right before, then she might be the president for a couple of days.
sam tripoli
Well, if she's in there for three days, she just starts passing all the waves.
unidentified
China's just going to start launching at us.
sam tripoli
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
So she becomes a candidate again.
It's not like, you know, they would definitely run her.
If he stepped down in 2024, and they have a real, you know, obviously it's going to be another election.
Somebody has to run with her.
sam tripoli
I mean, if he can't do it, she steps in, right?
joe rogan
Or maybe she gets a lucrative offer to do something else.
sam tripoli
From OnlyFans or something?
joe rogan
No, from fucking...
unidentified
From Klaus Schwab wants you to work at the World Economic Forum.
Oh, yeah.
Describe the future of transportation.
sam tripoli
Who knows, man?
joe rogan
Who knows what all these pieces that are getting moved around are for?
But, you know, it's interesting to see them try to figure out who's going to run.
And then seeing that Trump is probably going to run.
They're trying to put Trump in jail.
They're trying to figure out what shit they can arrest him for.
sam tripoli
Again!
joe rogan
Indict him on.
sam tripoli
And then Hillary Clinton, who just can't read a room, is like, I think I might run again.
Ah, that's hilarious.
unidentified
Right?
sam tripoli
She just, I mean, she obviously doesn't read any of her social media or anything like that.
joe rogan
Well, she can't.
Yeah.
I mean, that would be devastating.
sam tripoli
I was talking to young Jamie about that.
joe rogan
What do you think about the Clinton body count?
sam tripoli
Oh, dude, it's real, bro.
joe rogan
What do you think about that most recent guy?
sam tripoli
I mean, like...
joe rogan
This one's a wild one, folks.
If you don't know, this is a guy who let Epstein into the White House seven times.
They found him hanging from a tree 30 miles from his house from an extension cord with a shotgun wound to the chest, and they're calling that a suicide.
Are you sure?
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
What did this guy do for a living?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Who did he know?
sam tripoli
Who did he let in?
joe rogan
Where?
What happened?
sam tripoli
Isn't the most dangerous job in the world is a Clinton bodyguard?
joe rogan
Or a Clinton business associate.
sam tripoli
Yeah, right?
It's like 90% clipping or something like that.
joe rogan
But listen, we don't know whether or not the Clintons have killed people, but we do know for sure that people have assassinated their rivals.
That's been a thing throughout history.
sam tripoli
Well, her dad at one point was in charge of the Chicago mob.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Hillary Clinton's dad?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
When they took out Al Capone, he stepped in.
joe rogan
Well, that would make sense.
sam tripoli
Right?
And then you look at like, you want some real theater, dude?
joe rogan
Is that real, though?
Let's find out if that's real before.
unidentified
Let's look.
joe rogan
If we go any further, because that sounds so bananas.
Either way, she's extremely fortunate that her rivals and people who know things about her...
sam tripoli
Yeah, people who know something.
joe rogan
It's like, what the fuck, man?
One of the craziest ones I ever read about was a guy who shot himself in the head twice.
He was like an Enron whistleblower, and he pulled over to the side of the road and he shot himself in the head twice.
sam tripoli
Well, isn't that Gary Webb, too, who came out about the whole crack epidemic?
joe rogan
Did he shoot himself in the head twice, too?
jamie vernon
I found an article that says this, but it says, according to someone, and I don't know who this is.
sam tripoli
Sam Tripoli?
joe rogan
Solid source.
jamie vernon
It says, according to Larry Nichols, and it says Larry Nichols was a former trusted advisor to Bill and Hillary, but it's just an article on a website.
joe rogan
Okay, this is just an article on a website.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's a blog.
It says baseballs.
I don't know what it is, but I found a link from a tweet to this.
sam tripoli
It's pretty presentable.
joe rogan
It's very presentable.
It seems to prefer...
I might have made this, though.
So it might not be true.
So what it says, Hugh Rodman is Hillary Clinton's father.
He's pictured above daughter.
Hillary is sitting holding the doll.
Okay, what does that mean?
Nickel.
Okay.
After Al Capone, Hugh Rodman and Dan Rostenkowski took over and ran the Chicago mob, according to Larry Nichols.
Well, who's this Larry Nichols fellow?
jamie vernon
That's what I said.
joe rogan
Nichols is a former trusted advisor to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Nichols helped run Bill's political campaigns while Bill was president and governor of Arkansas.
Nichols called Matt Drudge to break the story of President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.
Whenever I hear Drudge, I hear like I think Drudge Report and I think Yeah.
Is that true?
jamie vernon
That's him.
joe rogan
But yeah, no, for sure.
I know.
But whenever I hear Drudge Report, I'm like, okay, is that slanted?
Drudge Report is like a heavily right-leaning website, right?
Isn't it?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
sam tripoli
Is it still?
I thought it's like one of those things where it might have gone the other way.
joe rogan
Might have went left?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
But I could have sworn like they were very- Yeah.
Like anti-Trump.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
Drudge Report.
sam tripoli
Oh.
joe rogan
Okay, so this is whether or not it's legit.
jamie vernon
No, it's the bias.
joe rogan
Media bias check.
So it says mixed.
sam tripoli
It could be a little bit of both.
jamie vernon
But this is also back in the 90s.
I don't know if it's changed since then.
joe rogan
But look how it says this.
So it's right of center.
It's not extreme right.
Right of center.
In terms of factual reporting, it's mixed.
It's like in between mostly factual and low.
So it might be a little...
So these media sources are slightly moderate, conservative, and biased.
They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words.
Okay, so that's why.
But you know, it's an interesting, like, you're always programmed to, like, when you see something's on one network or another, oh, what is this bullshit?
sam tripoli
To dismiss it, right?
joe rogan
You've seen a Vox article, oh, all this, man.
You know, it's a natural inclination that people have to, like, resist people they think might be ideologically driven.
sam tripoli
And that just means the information isn't real.
joe rogan
Right, or it might be biased, or it might be funky.
It's hard.
I know you're into the UFO thing, and the UFO thing is one of the ones...
I got Jeremy Corbell coming on soon.
The UFO thing is one of the ones that I keep going back and forth on.
Sometimes I think we are being visited by other galaxies or other creatures from some other world, and other times I'm going, why would they tell us?
Why would the Pentagon be telling us that these are crafts not made from this world?
Why would they tell us?
They wouldn't tell us.
I don't think they would tell us jack shit.
So if they are telling us, I think it's a smokescreen.
sam tripoli
I think anytime you see like a saucer or anything, I think that's man-made.
joe rogan
Do you think they're from China or Russia or the United States?
sam tripoli
All of them.
joe rogan
All of them.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
I think if there are entities, they're interdimensional, and they don't come here in a...
joe rogan
You don't think they come here in a metal craft?
sam tripoli
No, I think they walk through some portals or something.
joe rogan
And they're in your mind.
I think that's what's happening when you're eating mushrooms.
I think you're contacting other things.
The feeling that you have when you're in a high dose of a psychedelic, like a DMT-type trip, the feeling that you have of going to another place is unmistakable, right?
It feels like you're in another place.
That might be a place that's a real place, but you can only access it chemically.
Our idea that you have to access things physically for it to be real.
You don't have to open up a door to get in a room.
That's true.
But why do we think that way?
We only think that way because that's how we move around the earth.
But if you think about it, just experience itself.
The kind of experience that you get on a high-dose psychedelic, whatever the fuck that is, whatever is happening, it's an hallucination.
Okay, whatever it is, it's real.
sam tripoli
I agree.
joe rogan
While it's happening, that is real as fuck.
There's nothing more real.
It's not like you can end it any time you win.
You can't just stop it.
sam tripoli
You got a ride.
joe rogan
You can't just hop off the ride.
No, whatever the fuck that is, is as real as anything you ever encounter in life.
Maybe real-er because you have no control.
You have zero control.
And it's one of the most terrifying things about it is people are scared.
You're giving your consciousness up to the psychedelic.
I feel like you're in another place when you're doing that, man.
And if that is another place that can only be accessed chemically, maybe we should think about it that way.
Don't think about it like it's not really there because I'm still here.
Yeah, but that's just like tissue and bone and what about your mind?
What about whatever the fuck it is that is you inside your head, your thoughts?
They're not there.
They're going to this fucking other dimension and they're seeing pharaohs floating in gold chariots.
sam tripoli
100%.
joe rogan
And Buddhas and aliens and jokers and...
They're seeing all kinds of wild shit.
sam tripoli
Tin elves and shit.
joe rogan
And everything is changing constantly around you and moving.
And if you play music, it dances to the music.
That's the wildest thing about some psychedelics, like particularly DMT. If you play those South American Icaros, those songs that they play when they do the ayahuasca ceremonies, when you do that, the fucking psychedelic imagery dances to the music.
It changes and syncs up with the music.
sam tripoli
Have you done ayahuasca?
joe rogan
No, I haven't done ayahuasca.
I've only done DMT with those Icaros.
I would love to do ayahuasca.
sam tripoli
I would too, down the line at some point.
joe rogan
I just got to make sure I do it with legit people.
It's like one of those things, man.
It should be fucking legal.
And if it was legal, then you'd know who was legit and where to go and what's good.
sam tripoli
I think that's why they don't want you to do it.
And it is weird, right?
joe rogan
I don't think they know.
I don't think any of those people have experienced it.
If they did, they wouldn't make it illegal.
They would immediately want to change their tune.
Because if you did DMT and then you didn't think that that was the most profound thing that's ever happened to you in your life, other than the birth of your children, You, you didn't do enough.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
sam tripoli
I would love if we, just like every politician, once they win an election, they have to have douche room day or do a psychedelic day where they just have to hit it hard, heroic doses, and then go into office.
joe rogan
They should have a series of ceremonies.
They should probably have a series of them.
They should probably do some peyote.
They should probably do some mushrooms.
They should probably do some DMT. They should probably do a series of things.
But the problem is there's not enough people that are doing that.
There's not enough people that are looking at their life Saying I want to have like a spiritual journey where I can sort of correct my path and make sure that I'm doing the right thing and I'm true to myself and I'm I'm on like a soulful pathway and It's because that's not encouraged in our culture.
That's all it is.
And some people seek it out, and those people become, you know, they become different people when they've had those journeys.
And I don't think it's for everybody.
I used to think it's for everybody, but I don't think it's for everybody now.
I've realized that when I thought it was for everybody, I was being foolish.
Some people are having a hard time with regular reality.
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
And that shit's maybe not good for them.
I would say probably not good for them, but I'm not a doctor.
sam tripoli
Well, you know, for me, man, it's just like, I think people, there's so much information out there that could help people change their life 180 degrees, and they're just, they don't know how to find it.
No one's pointed it out to them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's also, they don't know whether it's legit.
They don't know who's running it.
Am I going to go to jail?
You know, there's like weird shit involved.
sam tripoli
That is a weird thing, right?
Whether legal versus illegal.
Like if something's legal, they're like, oh, man, I can do it.
And if it's illegal, like, oh, I would never...
joe rogan
Well, that's what's really weird about these ketamine centers.
You know, they're doing IV ketamine therapy.
I've never done ketamine, but the friends that have done it, like Neil Brennan, says he was tripping his fucking balls off.
sam tripoli
I heard.
joe rogan
He grabbed me at the comedy store and was telling me about it, and I was like, what is it like?
He's like, dude, I'm tripping.
I mean, I am fucking tripping.
sam tripoli
Oh, he's still tripping?
unidentified
He was?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
He's saying, like, when he did it.
Like, when he's, he's like, thought, okay, I'm going to do this in a clinical setting.
It'll probably be, like, pretty mild.
He's like, no.
He goes, I was fucking tripping balls.
And those are legal.
So you can go and get, like, if you're depressed, if you've got anxiety, there's a bunch of different reasons why they do it, and they give people ketamine therapy.
I don't know what the...
What are the...
What's the basic...
Like, what's the requirements to get ketamine therapy?
What do you have to have wrong with you?
It's got to be like an off-label thing.
It's not like the fucking...
Your insurance is paying for that.
sam tripoli
Well, I like anything that helps you explore what you're feeling instead of numbing yourself out to it.
And I think that's a...
That's a big part of like I think what's wrong with a lot of our culture is like instead of trying to understand what you're feeling and why you're feeling it I think some people want to numb themselves out so they can continue down this path and I think we're all here on a path we're all here to learn something and sometimes the universe likes to tell us Hey, this isn't your path on it.
It makes you super uncomfortable.
And some people are depressed.
I think things like depression, anger, sadness is the universe talking to you about you need to change some stuff up.
You're not on the path you want to go.
joe rogan
Patients with depression, anxiety, PTSD, end-of-life distress, chronic pain, drug and alcohol problems, and other conditions may be eligible for psychedelic-assisted therapy with ketamine.
You're in, bro.
sam tripoli
That's why I'm telling you, man.
Enhance.
Enhance.
Like, don't run from it.
You know, I'm in a place right now where I think things happen for me, not to me.
I used to be like, really think everything was happening to me.
This is instead of like, okay, what's the universe trying to tell me?
What am I learning from this?
What is my role in where I am right now?
And that's like, that's a big power shift in how I see everything.
And I think we live in a society that runs away from that stuff.
Oh, I'm sad, I'm depressed, I'm all that.
Okay, why?
Why are you?
Why are you going to take these medications?
And I'm not saying all medication people got to do what they think is best for them and there's a lot of great positivity and all that stuff, but a lot of people don't want to ask themselves why do they feel this way and why are they going down that line and why they want to do...
Maybe they're meant to do something else and they just got to get the, you know, The ability to make changes in their life.
You gotta make change to get changed.
That was my biggest problem.
I wanted change, but I wasn't doing anything to get those changes.
joe rogan
Well...
I think so many people just get stuck, you know, living their life a certain way, you know, thinking about things a certain way.
And what you're saying, having the philosophy that things happen for you, and live your life like things happen for you, like, you're gonna make better choices.
Whether or not you really truly believe that everything is happening for a reason, if you think that way, you're going to make better choices.
You're going to feel better about it.
I think there's a lot of anxiety that gets alleviated in certain people when they put their trust in God.
They put their trust that God has a master plan for it all.
It's all out of my hands.
I'm just gonna trust God and that and people say well, that's a foolish notion You don't have to think that way but some people that some of my friends that are atheists are some of the most anxiety-ridden Miserable well, they're just so freaked out and then some of them become spiritual air quote spiritual you know and I think that I don't think it's necessary for people to believe in anything,
but I do think that people have structures that have been long established because they help people get through just the fucking existential angst of being a person.
And a good strategy for that is thinking that there's a great deity that's watching over everything and thinking that you have a very special role in life that this great deity wants you to fulfill.
And so everything is happening for you.
It's all God's plan.
And if you think like that, it can be very self-serving in a good way.
It can help you.
One of the things a lot of people are burdened with is negative thoughts.
sam tripoli
Yes.
joe rogan
People are burdened with negative thoughts and anxiety.
Negative thoughts are the motherfucker of motherfuckers because you can't really just turn them off.
Like if someone goes, well, think positive.
Like, well, fuck you.
When you have negative thoughts, it's hard to get away from those bitches.
But if you really program your mind to think that there is a God that's watching over you and everything's going to be fine and everything is God's will and God has a master plan for you and just keep showing up at church and keep praying and you're going to be good.
That'll alleviate enough anxiety for you to get a lot more shit done.
sam tripoli
I 100% believe in everything you're talking about.
joe rogan
How many friends do we have that are atheists that are just riddled with anxiety, just riddled, just angst?
sam tripoli
Well, they don't believe in a god or anything like that, but they have a faith, and that faith is in science, right?
They read stuff, they read an article, and they automatically have faith in what that article is telling them is real.
And I have zero problems with Science.
But like I said, I question everything.
It's free.
Might as well do it, right?
And ask questions.
joe rogan
As long as you're willing to do the research on whatever it is you're questioning.
sam tripoli
I agree.
joe rogan
Because there's some shit out there that's stupid to question.
And then there's some shit that you go, hey, how come no one's questioning this?
You know, there's plenty of weirdness in the world where anybody who doesn't think that some conspiracies are legitimate is naive.
You're a fool.
Because people have openly conspired.
People have gone to jail for conspiring.
It is a natural inclination of human beings.
It's not like, that doesn't even make sense to me.
A conspiracy where they make money and they gain power?
What?!
You expect me to believe that?
It's such a dumb attitude that people have.
And the problem is, that phrase, conspiracy theorist, is such a negative.
If that gets slapped on you, immediately people are like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Yeah, just a couple, like Enron, or like Operation Northwoods, or- Iran-Contra.
Yeah, Gulf of Tonkin incident, the goddess into Vietnam, you know, Kennedy's assassination.
You know, just a few.
Just a few.
Bay of Pigs.
Just a few.
Just a few.
Fuck you, man.
Fuck you.
You don't think some conspiracies are real?
Well, then they're gonna run another one on you.
sam tripoli
All the time.
joe rogan
Because you don't believe in them, because you're scared to say.
You've been tricked into not questioning the most questionable fucking people that have ever existed.
sam tripoli
We're all leaders.
unidentified
They're the only people, the reason why we go to war, it's those cunts.
sam tripoli
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
All of them.
sam tripoli
And they use the same playbook over and over and over and over and over again.
joe rogan
This is a new playbook, though.
They're turning us against each other for being non-binary and for saying spaz.
You see, they went after Beyonce.
sam tripoli
Unbelievable!
joe rogan
People are so fucking crazy with what they get outraged about.
Spaz is an ableist term.
She can't say spaz.
sam tripoli
But it's also like, what does the media choose to highlight, right?
It's like, there's a million people out there saying a million things.
What do you highlight?
And when you highlight it, it becomes like there's a trend when it's really just one crazy person that's just going, hey, Matt Spass is, I didn't even know that existed!
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I never thought that word was a bad word.
I thought that was someone who knocks over cans and spills.
That's me.
I'm spastic.
I fucking knock things over.
But there's an actual physical problem being spastic.
Like, it's an actual thing.
So that's the problem.
sam tripoli
That's a condition?
joe rogan
I guess so.
Like, let's find out what that means.
When we grew up, I didn't know anybody that had that condition, but I certainly knew that phrase.
Right.
sam tripoli
Stop acting like a spaz.
joe rogan
Yeah, or stop knocking shit over and being a fucking spaz.
Like, sit down.
Like, you know, you're knocking shit over.
sam tripoli
I didn't know that was, like, this kind of thing that is worth, like, protecting their feelings on.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
Okay, it's in the dictionary.
jamie vernon
It depends how you get here, but...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Okay.
Spaz.
Third person.
Spazes.
Past tense.
Spazed.
Past participle.
Spazed.
To lose physical or emotional control.
He offered a post-game assessment I spazzed out real bad.
sam tripoli
But still, there's nothing...
No disrespect to anybody, but I don't understand the connection between that and...
joe rogan
Okay, so here it is.
Spastic, often offensive, a person with cerebral palsy.
See, this is why.
Okay, so relating to or denoting a form of muscular weakness, spastic paralysis, typical of cerebral palsy caused by damage to the brain or spinal cord involving reflex resistance to passive movement of the limbs and difficulty in initiating and controlling muscular movement.
jamie vernon
It's also just defining what a spasm is, so it's a bit of a stretch to get there.
joe rogan
It is a bit of a stretch, because it says relating to or affected by muscle spasm, but they use that term sometimes for people with cerebral palsy.
sam tripoli
It says offensive, dated?
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
Here's the lyrics from how it was used.
It's right down here.
I haven't even heard the song.
joe rogan
It says, spazzing on that ass.
Spaz on that ass.
Fan me quick, girl.
I need my glass.
Bro, we need to start writing raps.
What are we doing?
sam tripoli
We're wasting our time with jokes.
Do you know who's even worse than that?
You ever read children's books?
They're like people who couldn't make it as rappers, so they write kids' books.
joe rogan
The Gruffalo.
sam tripoli
It's crazy.
I can't believe...
joe rogan
Let's read all those lyrics.
jamie vernon
It was better on top of that.
joe rogan
On top of it was good?
sam tripoli
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Tip, tip, tip on hardwood floors.
Ten, ten, ten across the board.
Is this a good song?
jamie vernon
I haven't heard it, so I don't even know the tempo.
joe rogan
The problem is you can't read lyrics.
It's bullshit.
You're an asshole.
If you read lyrics, I mean, she has a beautiful voice.
sam tripoli
But it's also like delivery, right?
joe rogan
Play it.
Let's hear it.
jamie vernon
The song's called Heated.
joe rogan
And did they beep the spaz part out?
Spaz on the ass?
jamie vernon
So I heard they're gonna go back and correct it.
sam tripoli
Oh, it's kind of like, let's get retarded in here.
Let's get it started in here.
unidentified
Archie Becker's rolling over his grave.
Just give us it any time I Yeah, I'm hearing it.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
sam tripoli
Not bad.
joe rogan
That's a catchy song.
Spazzing on that ass.
Have you ever thought that that would be an issue?
Go back and listen to some old NWA kids and get back to me.
Can you imagine thinking that that's a problem?
sam tripoli
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Spazzing on that ass, spazzing on that ass.
sam tripoli
And there's like a social movement going on.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
People are just looking for things to complain about, no matter what it is.
sam tripoli
I remember when I was younger, still old, but younger, and I didn't know what a hollaback girl meant.
And I went to this chick I was talking to.
I'm like, what?
You're not a hollerback girl?
She's like, fuck you, you fucking asshole.
What does it mean?
I think it's about a girl that hooks up with people.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
You holler at her, she hollers back.
sam tripoli
I ain't no hollerback girl.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Right.
You holler at her, she hollers right back.
sam tripoli
Yeah, right?
Something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
sam tripoli
So it's like, I don't even know what's offensive anymore.
I've tapped out all that shit.
joe rogan
The problem is everybody's got a fucking opinion, and there's always going to be someone out there that finds something you say offensive.
Because if you're talking shit like we do, being offensive is part of the thing.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not the whole thing, but occasionally it is.
Occasionally you're saying things because they are offensive, because it's funny to say something offensive sometimes.
sam tripoli
Yeah, and people can get offended.
I don't know when being offended became a felony, right?
joe rogan
But when it gets down to spazzing on that ass, and then you're like, I am not having this conversation, man.
This is bullshit.
This needs to stop.
Spazzing on that ass?
Spaz on that ass.
That's the end of society as we know it.
This is what we're dealing with.
Pretty catchy.
sam tripoli
I mean, it's catchy, but it's like, who is actually upset?
So, a while ago, like about five years ago, I'm an L.A. Clipper fan.
I love the basketball team.
And the Clippers were, I think, in Memphis.
And they were playing the Memphis Grizzlies.
And this Iranian center checked in.
And the announcers, one of the announcers who had been the announcer there for like 30 or 40 years, I think made a joke.
That the center could have auditioned for Borat, right?
One guy sent in an email, and this guy, who had been the announcer for 30 or 40 years, got suspended for two games.
One guy sent an email.
joe rogan
But did the guy look like Borat?
sam tripoli
Yeah!
joe rogan
So what's wrong with looking like Borat?
He's a fucking beloved character.
sam tripoli
I don't even know, but one guy got upset by it and emailed the television station and they suspended this guy for two years.
See, when they say cancel culture isn't real, this is somewhat what they're talking about.
joe rogan
That's so silly.
sam tripoli
Because what it is, is it's corporations that act quickly to make it seem like there's consequences.
joe rogan
Well, they're panicking.
They panic, you know?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But they don't all panic.
Some of them stand their ground.
And a lot of these companies are saying, get out of here.
This is nonsense.
Leave us alone.
sam tripoli
It is nonsense.
joe rogan
It is nonsense.
And especially nonsense in that context, because that was clearly humor.
The guy was cracking a joke.
The guy looks like Borat.
Borat's funny.
That's funny.
If he looks like Borat, you'll be like, ah!
If I was there and I saw it, I'd be like, ah, he does!
Why is that bad?
It's not negative towards Borat.
It's not negative towards him.
The fuck is wrong with people?
sam tripoli
But the point was that one person complained.
joe rogan
Borat is the shit.
sam tripoli
Yeah, it's a great movie.
unidentified
It's the shit.
joe rogan
Well, he's a great character.
Fucking Sacha Baron Cohen is the shit.
sam tripoli
One guy!
joe rogan
How is that negative?
sam tripoli
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
You can't even say that.
So silly.
sam tripoli
But why would a corporation shut down for one dude, which is getting into this?
joe rogan
I don't fucking know.
It doesn't have to make sense.
They're just panicking.
They're just scared.
They're scared of a boycott.
They're scared of their name getting out there.
They're scared of it being like they're the person who didn't respond and then a campaign of people come after them.
I get it.
I get it.
If I was a corporation and things were shifting this quickly, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
People are so sensitive now.
And then COVID was just gasoline.
Gasoline on the fire.
unidentified
Gasoline.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And now Monkey Box.
sam tripoli
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Did you know that 98% of the people who get Monkey Box get it from unprotected gay sex and the other 2% are liars?
That's just a joke, kids.
I'm neither a statistician, but I do think that that's most of it.
I really do.
Jokes aside.
I think...
unidentified
What is it?
sam tripoli
Poppers and ass juice?
Is that a bad combination?
unidentified
I think they're having sex.
sam tripoli
It's shingles.
joe rogan
But why can't bisexual men give it to women?
It seems like they could, right?
528 infections diagnosed between April 27th and June 24th, 2022 at 43 sites in 16 countries.
Overall, 98% of the persons with infection were gay or bisexual men.
75% were white and 41% had immunodeficiency virus infection, HIV infection.
The median age was 38 years old.
Transmission was suspected to have occurred through sexual activity and 95% of the persons with the infection.
Then again, it's 5% were liars.
This is case series.
Now, how bad is it like when you get it?
See what it says.
Common systemic features preceding the rash included fever, lethargy, myalgia, headache, lymphadenopathy.
I guess that's like swollen lymph nodes.
Is that what that is?
Committance sexually deserving.
So, okay.
jamie vernon
Rash lesions.
Mucosal lesions.
Genital lesions.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
sam tripoli
Man, you get polka dots on your face.
joe rogan
So, what do they do to cure it?
What do they do to cure that thing?
People are calling out for the vaccine.
They're trying to get a vaccine for it, I guess.
sam tripoli
Yeah, they're already waiting in line for it.
joe rogan
So they already have a vaccine for it?
sam tripoli
Well, there's lines in New York Sea.
You see it.
You can see pictures.
joe rogan
How long has monkeypox been around for?
sam tripoli
I don't even know.
I didn't even know there was monkeypox.
joe rogan
It's a problem.
sam tripoli
It is?
joe rogan
It's a problem.
LA's declaring a state of emergency.
sam tripoli
California.
Gavin Newsom's like...
unidentified
State of emergency.
joe rogan
I think they did.
sam tripoli
State of emergency.
I get to keep my emergency powers.
joe rogan
How many cases of monkeypox are there?
jamie vernon
That said 550?
71?
sam tripoli
In a state with what?
How many millions?
40?
jamie vernon
5,800.
joe rogan
5,800 people in California alone or nationwide?
jamie vernon
The map.
Sorry, the U.S. map.
joe rogan
5,800 people have it in the United States.
jamie vernon
One Florida case is listed here but included in the U.K. since he was tested in the U.K. So this is current, August 1st.
joe rogan
Right.
5,811 cases.
Wow.
Montana and Wyoming have zero cases.
Isn't that hilarious?
The fucking manliest people alive.
They're the manliest fucker since Yellowstone, bro.
That's fucking Kevin Costner.
What am I getting?
sam tripoli
Zero.
joe rogan
I ain't about to get fucking monkey box, Con.
sam tripoli
Or nobody's talking.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not getting monkey box.
jamie vernon
A couple states with just one case.
Then how did they get it?
joe rogan
You know, if a cowboy shows up on a ranch from Nebraska, and all of a sudden you see a blue spot in the middle of Wyoming.
sam tripoli
As we're watching, it slowly turns blue.
joe rogan
You know what happened?
This one badass gay cowboy fucks everybody.
He just shows up at these ranches slinging dick and riding ponies.
sam tripoli
How did he get one case?
Who gave it to him?
Did he give it to himself?
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
Who is case zero?
sam tripoli
Yeah!
joe rogan
Where did monkeypox originate from?
jamie vernon
23,600 worldwide according to Monday's numbers.
joe rogan
That's a really good Snoop Dogg concert.
Had Snoop Dogg at an arena.
23,600 worldwide according to Monday numbers from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
The outbreak first spotted in Europe in late April has reached 80 countries, the vast majority in nations that hadn't previously had significant caseloads of the rare viral infection.
So it's a rare viral infection.
And monkeypox originated, where did it originate from?
Is this like an old disease?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it?
So it's a zoonotic disease, isn't it?
sam tripoli
A zoonotic?
joe rogan
Yeah, a disease that came from animals.
I think it is.
I think most of the diseases that we have, like the avian flu, and this is another problem with factory farming.
That's one of the things that happens.
Like, they jump.
Like, pigs will get a disease and swine flu will jump and start infecting people.
sam tripoli
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, when I was at the Center for Disease Control with Duncan, we filmed an episode of Joe Rogan Questions, everything there.
They scared the fucking shit out of us.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Because this is the story.
sam tripoli
That's where every zombie movie starts, by the way.
joe rogan
Me and Duncan ate edibles, and we went to the airport, and we got so high we missed our flight, and not by a little.
It had taken off like a half an hour ago.
So we were stuck in this fucking airport, I mean, interdimensionally traveling, like so high.
And then we got a flight out in the morning.
So we basically stayed up all night till like 6 in the morning, flew into wherever, I guess it's Houston?
What's outside of Galveston?
Anyway, then got a rental car and then drove there.
So we were giddy.
We were silly.
We hadn't slept.
And then we were talking to this guy in this fucking laboratory where the walls are as thick as this building of plexiglass and inside there's people with spacesuits and they're manipulating these fucking viruses.
They have these big vacuum ducts in the ceiling that suck any air, any possible particle of an escaped virus out of them.
It is wild to see.
So this guy is showing me and he's like inside we have in this facility multiple diseases that could just wipe people out.
And so they're just trying to figure out what makes these viruses function, which gets really controversial, right?
And they're also trying to figure out how to develop vaccines for them and medications.
Like, how do you kill it in vitro in a cell culture?
They're doing all kinds of tests on them.
The scary stuff is when they try to make them better.
That's gain-of-function research.
That's wild shit.
And that's the shit that the Obama administration shut down.
I believe it was 2014 they shut it down.
Did they?
Supposedly.
But then, you know, the Trump administration came along, and according to Josh Rogin, Josh Rogin is a journalist, I think he's for the Washington Post, right?
He was on the podcast explaining it, that they restarted gain-of-function research.
sam tripoli
So Fauci wasn't doing that?
I thought Obama was part of that, and he was like visiting those...
joe rogan
I think when he visited, he was like, what the fuck are we doing?
unidentified
Really?
sam tripoli
Really?
joe rogan
I think he put the kibosh on it.
Let's Google that.
I'm pretty sure the Obama administration put the kibosh on gain-of-function research.
And then it became a question of what exactly is gain-of-function research, right?
And that was those arguments that Rand Paul had with Fauci when they were arguing.
You do not, with all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And they were going back and forth in this very fascinating way.
Because the problem is the term.
I almost wish they had abandoned the term that Rand Paul had said, okay, did you or did you not take viruses and make it so they were more effective in infecting human beings?
And did you or did you not develop them on human lung cultures?
Did you or did you not do that?
Did you not alter viruses to make them more infectious, capable of infecting human beings?
Did you do that?
What kind of stuff did you do to viruses?
Tell us what you did.
Don't call it gain-of-function research.
Let's call it abracadabra.
What abracadabra did you do to the virus?
sam tripoli
Perfect term.
joe rogan
Did someone do abracadabra?
Did you give someone money to do abracadabra?
Forget about gain-of-function.
Let's just say this thing where you're manipulating viruses, let's just call it abracadabra.
Did we do that?
Did we spend money?
Did we spend taxpayers' money?
Okay, 2017. On December 19, 2017, the U.S. National Institutes of Health announced that they would resume funding gain-of-function experiments.
Right.
So this is during the Trump administration.
So the moratorium had been in place since October 2014. Right.
So that's it.
So during the Obama administration in October of 2014, they went, let's stop doing this.
At the time, the NIH had stated that the moratorium, in quotes, will be effective until a robust and broad deliberative process is completed that results in the adoption of a new US government gain-of-function research policy.
What?
That seems like, read that statement again, will be effective until a robust and broad deliberative process is completed that results in the adoption of a new US government game of function research policy.
So that means they were planning on restarting it no matter what.
That's what the NIH stated.
So they were like, until we meet again.
That's basically what they said.
sam tripoli
Just hold on.
We'll get the funding.
We're going to make it happen.
joe rogan
The crazy thing is now that they've done this and now that this virus has come out and infected the world, there's still the question of where it came from.
And there's still people saying it came from the wet market.
I just read an article recently and I was like, okay, who believes this and who thinks this is horseshit?
sam tripoli
Have you ever heard of the SPARS pandemic simulation?
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
It's kind of like Event 201. Have you heard of 201?
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
You've never heard of Event 201?
joe rogan
Does that have anything to do with New Jersey?
sam tripoli
No.
Well, I don't know.
unidentified
Where is John Hopkins located?
sam tripoli
So this is a very interesting one.
joe rogan
SARS pandemic scenario.
What is this?
Centerforhealthsecurity.org.
Is this a legitimate website?
Yes.
Okay.
sam tripoli
And this is a training exercise based on a fictional scenario.
Here's the problem.
It basically tells you the game plan that went down.
Before we get into this one, will you look up event?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
We were here.
sam tripoli
Let's just get to this.
Let's not jump.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
Let's not jump.
We're here.
Okay.
Hold on.
Hold on, but let me just establish this.
The center spars pandemic exercise narrative comprises a futuristic scenario that illustrates communication dilemmas concerning medical countermeasures that could plausibly emerge in the not-so-distant future.
Its purpose is to prompt users both individually and in discussion with others to imagine the dynamic and oftentimes conflicted circumstances in which communication around emergency, MCM development, distribution, and uptake takes place.
Well, that just makes sense.
Because in chaos, in any kind of an emergency, it's very difficult to get information out.
Okay, but all that's logical.
While engaged with a rigorous simulated health emergency scenario, readers have the opportunity to mentally rehearse responses while also weighing the implications of their actions.
At the same time, readers have a chance to consider what potential measures implemented in today's environment might avert comparable communication dilemmas or classes of dilemmas in the future.
Does that make sense that you would want to have something like that in place?
So where is it bad?
sam tripoli
So what basically it gets in is if you follow it, it's step by step exactly what happened.
joe rogan
Let's see what the steps are.
sam tripoli
You have to go through it.
Now, real quick, I know you don't want to jump, but if you get into this thing called- No, no, no, we're not jumping.
joe rogan
We'll go to that.
Okay.
But for this, so if they outlined it step-by-step, and this is the plan they had in case a pandemic broke out, so of course they outlined it step-by-step.
sam tripoli
Right, but there's also a notion that this is the game plan that they created to follow.
joe rogan
Okay.
sam tripoli
There is that argument.
joe rogan
The problem with that is it implies a grand conspiracy to release a virus into the world.
Right?
I think much more likely the virus accidentally got into the world and then what they had to do was figure out a way to manage people.
sam tripoli
Okay.
joe rogan
And they did it by the same ways that they had devised to handle a pandemic if one was to break out.
I think it's way more likely that someone did some sloppy shit, especially when you find out that the laboratory where they think it might have emerged from had safety violations in 2018. Like, they weren't.
These people are not happy doing what they're doing.
Like, I'm sure they're getting forced into working with fucking viruses.
And there's probably some fucking...
You know, I mean, you see the way they treat the Foxconn employees.
How are they treating the employees at the virus place?
Are they tip-top magoo?
Is it like Galveston where they're all in the spacesuits?
Or do they have like N95 masks on handling Ebola?
What the fuck are they doing?
Do we know?
sam tripoli
It's interesting.
It's interesting.
joe rogan
My guess, my guess, I'm obviously not an expert, is that it got out, and they tried to panic, and they tried to contain it, and then they tried to lie about it, and then there's a bunch of people that do not, under any circumstance, want to tie it to US-funded research.
And when you read stories about, oh, it definitely came from the wet market, they don't have an animal host.
They don't.
They don't.
sam tripoli
First patient zero, right?
joe rogan
They don't have that.
So if they don't have that, they don't really know.
There's a lot of guessing, and there are legitimate scientists that think it may have come from a wet market.
That's legitimate.
I just don't know if they're correct.
There's a lot of people that don't think so.
There's a lot of people that have examined the virus and think that it's been manipulated.
The problem is I'm too dumb to know.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
I mean, if you're too dumb, what does that make me?
Jesus Christ.
But my whole thing is...
Here's my whole thing with everything.
joe rogan
Your whole thing with everything by Sam Tripoli.
That should be the title of your book.
sam tripoli
That will be my next special.
It always just seems like this, if it's just some random event that got out of hand, how come it always seems to fall the same way where the same people get the money and get all the power all the time?
joe rogan
Because they're the people that already have the money and the power, and they keep expanding it.
It's a natural human instinct.
It's a natural human instinct when you're governing people to try to have as much control over them as possible because you can get shit done.
That's why people are so angry at Trudeau with that trucker rally because it's a natural human instinct to try to demean those people And to say that many of them are racist and misogynist, it was a crude way he did it.
It was very clunky.
If you're a leader, you're a leader and this is the way you treat people with no evidence.
Because he didn't have evidence that they were racist and misogynist.
How many of them?
There's hundreds of them.
sam tripoli
But that's kind of the gameplay.
Slur them.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
But with no evidence.
You're not supposed to do that.
If you're a person that people are supposed to look to as a leader, you should be offering evidence why this group is problematic.
And evidence with, like, real research.
And you know it for a fact.
And you can prove it in court.
If you want to say that, you want to say, hey, maybe you didn't know, but there's a bunch of Nazi truckers heading our way.
And they really are Nazis.
We should know that, too.
sam tripoli
Right, right.
joe rogan
But we're never going to believe you now.
So when you say that these people are terrible people just because they're protesting against mandates, it means you don't like protests.
That's what it means.
You don't want protests.
sam tripoli
You don't like questioning power.
joe rogan
That's a natural human instinct to try to stop the people that are the dissenters.
Stop the people that are questioning.
Stop the people that are opposing you.
Stop them in their tracks by whatever means we can.
Investigate them.
Find out what they're doing.
Cut them off at the pass.
You have to have an ability to talk about stuff that you don't like, and protests are a part of that.
We just have a different set of rules down here, man.
We have the First Amendment.
It's a totally different thing.
We have this ability to express ourselves that's pretty rare in terms of- It really is.
Yeah.
I mean, other countries are pretty free, but this place is- Really fucking free in terms of the most of the world and anyone denies that like I'm not a fan of drone strikes and Unnecessary wars and capitalist agendas that ruin environments.
I'm not a fan of any of these things.
Let's just be real clear But when you look at it, you've got to look at the big picture.
This is like the first time over the last couple of hundred years that people just generally got along.
When a boat shows up at your shore, most of the time you don't think they're trying to kill you.
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
It's only been a few hundred years or 400 years.
You know?
I mean, we all fucking Columbus.
Read about what Columbus did, bro.
Read about what Columbus did.
Read about what those people did.
It's horrific.
They were monsters.
They were barbarians.
They killed babies.
They cut people's arms off because they didn't bring back enough gold.
There was a priest that traveled with them and wrote a journal.
And they got a hold of this journal.
They're reading about this guy talking about what the Columbus's men did.
sam tripoli
Unbelievable.
It's scary.
joe rogan
There were like sanctioned monsters.
And that was most people back then, man.
Most of those fucking marauders and explorers, they did horrible shit, man.
Horrible shit.
You know, you read The Empire's Summer Moon and find out what the Comanches did to other Indians.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Horrible shit, man.
They would capture people, cut their arms and legs off, and then while they were alive, throw them on the fire.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And they would laugh and laugh, and they would always fight to the death.
Native Americans would fight to death because they didn't believe in...
Captives.
If you got captured, you're getting tortured and killed.
You might as well fight now.
They're not going to put you in a prison, take care of you, and try to fucking prisoner of war and give you back when the war is over.
No, you're getting murdered slowly and agonizingly.
sam tripoli
What they did to women was awful.
Cut their noses off.
joe rogan
One of the girls was in Empire of the Summer Moon.
She was kidnapped.
And then when they returned it, they returned it without her nose.
And they freaked out, went back and killed a bunch of people.
And they brought people to trial.
It was terrifying times, man, where just the ruthlessness of human nature was so awful.
And obviously the things that the Europeans did to the Native Americans is awful too.
But the most awful thing they did was give them smallpox.
Give them diseases.
sam tripoli
Yeah, blankets.
joe rogan
It wasn't even blankets, man.
That's apparently a myth, too.
They didn't really understand virology back then like that.
They just gave it to them.
They just gave it to them by being around them.
That's what killed everybody in North America.
Killed like 90% of the Native Americans.
When we talk about the genocide of North American Indians, it's real, 100%.
But it's also, disease did it too.
Disease killed most of them.
That's probably why the fucking Mayan pyramids were left there.
That's probably why when you go through the Amazon, when they do that LIDAR scan of the Amazon, they find these ancient pathways and structures that indicated grids where cities were.
They probably all died off from fucking smallpox.
It's wild shit, man.
sam tripoli
It is, man.
And the history of man is like, who knows what the real timeline is?
joe rogan
I think the timeline goes way back.
I think it goes back tens of thousands of years before the Younger Dryas impact.
That's what I think.
sam tripoli
100%.
joe rogan
I think it only makes sense when you see shit like the pyramids and you see some of the really ancient structures like Gobekli Tepe and you're like, what?
12,000 years ago they did this?
Who did this?
sam tripoli
And where these pyramids are located, ley lines, all that stuff.
joe rogan
Just the amazing way they have it due north, south, east, and west, and it comes to this perfect peak.
You can't make any fuck-ups when you're building a pyramid.
And they have some that are fucked up, some that are kind of bent and jacked.
But what Graham Hancock thinks is those are the ones where people were trying to imitate the older structures.
Just everybody died off.
They lost everybody.
They got to a very high level of sophistication, and then everybody died.
sam tripoli
It's almost like grizzly bears who move in the houses in Michigan.
They're like, this is my cave, dog!
joe rogan
Exactly!
Dude, it's exactly like that.
It's exactly like that.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I used to have a bit about it.
That we were the children of the idiot stoneworkers of Egypt and everybody else died.
My joke was that the dumb people outfucked the smart people.
But I think what it really probably was was some sort of cataclysmic event.
I think it happened all over the world.
And I only think this because of talking to Randall Carlson and all the physical evidence that he provides when they do the core samples and they find all that iridium at like 12,000 years ago and there's another moment too I think like 10,000 years ago.
I think we got fucking blasted with space rocks.
I think it killed most people.
And then people had to rebuild.
sam tripoli
Have you ever heard the Brock saga?
joe rogan
You were going to tell me about the 201 thing, though.
sam tripoli
Okay.
I mean, but it gets into that, what I was telling you before.
unidentified
That's okay.
joe rogan
I just felt like we had to, like...
sam tripoli
If you want to get into 201, we can get into that.
It was basically...
joe rogan
What is 201?
sam tripoli
Basically, 201 is a lot like what the thing I was telling you where these people got together and they just basically role-played out what happened if a giant pandemic came out and scenarios and it just...
Totally matched up to what happened.
Now, the only tiny pushback I put is that you see laws being passed for COVID before the pandemic actually happens.
What do you mean?
Certain laws passed to give the government certain powers.
joe rogan
And they literally talk about COVID. Sam, let's pause this right here because I've got to pee so bad.
sam tripoli
Oh yeah, can I pee too?
joe rogan
Yeah, let's pee because I drank two giant liquid IVs after getting out of the sauna.
All right, we'll be right back.
sam tripoli
You see that in LA, man.
joe rogan
This is a drought, though, in Texas.
This is unusual for Texas.
sam tripoli
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it usually rains a lot here, which is one of the things that I love.
Fire's dying down.
Okay.
It says Starflight has been contacted according to Austin Fire Department, which says the fire is dying down.
No evacuations have happened yet.
Oh, hold on.
Go back to that.
It says low fuels, mulch and bushes, fire dying down.
Okay, fire's dying down.
sam tripoli
Dude, the craziest thing I do a joke about, but the craziest thing is that in California, the fires...
We're like people like livestream driving through the murder fires.
joe rogan
I know.
sam tripoli
And you're like, what are you doing?
It's all for clicks and views.
joe rogan
I know.
sam tripoli
It's like you're gonna die stupid.
joe rogan
And people do die like that.
They died in not doing live streaming, but died in their cars trapped in fires in Northern California.
That one big giant fire.
A lot of people died from fires.
I think there was a very high number of people that got stuck on this one road.
Imagine, man, you're stuck in traffic and you watch the fire just evaporating the cars in front of you and you know you can't go backwards and you can't go forwards and you're stuck with your family.
That's one of the reasons why I had my Land Cruiser made.
sam tripoli
If you gotta get out.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wanted to get an apocalypse vehicle.
sam tripoli
Yeah, I respect that, bro.
joe rogan
Giant gas tank.
Giant gas tank that can drive over anything a car can drive over other than like one of them crazy Jeeps that can articulate.
sam tripoli
Get a militia going, bro.
Just a whole group of people, crossbows, guns.
joe rogan
I just think you should have something that can drive on a place where there's no road.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good thing to have in your stable.
sam tripoli
I think that's huge, bro.
joe rogan
Because when shit went down out here, I have a 1995 Land Cruiser.
And I don't know if you know about those, but the Land Cruisers are like some of the most dependable off-road vehicles that have ever been made.
And the 95s were one of the last models, the 80 series.
I have the FZJ80. What's it look like?
It's dope.
Icon built it for me.
It's silver.
It's sweet.
It's beautiful.
It's dope as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tripoli
Is this some Batman shit?
joe rogan
It looks like a 1995 Land Cruiser.
It's just got cool tires on it and great lights.
But it's got floodlights so I can see all kinds of shit with it.
But most importantly, these cars have solid axles, front and rear.
It's a real off-road vehicle.
Even though most people that bought them used them for mall crawling, they were using Afghanistan, they were using a lot of overseas military applications.
They're fucking durable as shit.
That's why a lot of those guys who came over, like Jack Carr, the guy who wrote The Terminalist, the reason why, if you watch that Television show, and in the book, Chris Pratt's driving a Land Cruiser.
He's driving a 60 series, a 62 series, which is a dope model year.
And he's got this souped-up one by the same company.
It's an icon one.
sam tripoli
You need something to get out.
I think about that in LA all the time, dude.
When shit's the fan, everyone's trying to get out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you've got a Corvette, you're not going over a hill.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've got to have something that can get you out of here.
sam tripoli
Or a dirt bike or something.
joe rogan
Most of the time, you're not going to need it.
I know.
I know.
Most of the time.
It's so silly to prepare like that and think like that.
But if you do, if you needed to drive over the ground, most people can't do it.
Your car can't do it.
And my car can only go to some places.
You can't go straight up a mountain.
Where there's no road, you're not going to go.
But the difference between being able to...
When the snow hit out here, I was having a great fucking day.
I was having that land cruise.
Fuck yeah, man.
That thing just drives so smooth over snow.
sam tripoli
I think about that all the time.
joe rogan
My truck was like, we got this, dude.
We got this.
sam tripoli
I think about, if shit's a fan in LA, how am I going to get my kids out?
joe rogan
It's too big.
There's too many people.
sam tripoli
I want to live right on the edge.
joe rogan
Of L.A.? Yeah.
That's when they flood right to you then.
They're going to leave in L.A., they're going to go right to you.
sam tripoli
I'd be like, we got to beat them out, bro.
joe rogan
You got to live a couple miles outside of a place like L.A. I mean, a couple hours outside of a place like L.A. to be able to have enough time to evacuate when the zombie apocalypse gets in.
sam tripoli
Do you think about that with Austin, where you're going to go if you had to?
joe rogan
I didn't think about that until COVID. I mean, I did think about that, but not really think about that until COVID. When COVID happened, I was like, what if this was way worse?
And what if the power grid went down?
And what if there was a solar flare that blacked out all communications?
And what if there's an asteroid impact that takes out Chicago and blows our grid to pieces?
And there's a nuclear winter because of the fucking- I think about that all the time.
That can happen, man.
Yellowstone can blow.
There's a lot of things that could go wrong.
But the asteroid impact one is one of the most likely.
sam tripoli
It's happened before, man.
joe rogan
It happens all the time.
We are getting at least little tiny ones that are flying through our atmosphere all the time.
I think there's an alarming number.
That enter into our atmosphere every day, but they're usually small.
Like, what is the number of meteorites that enter into our atmosphere?
Let's just guess.
sam tripoli
I must say...
joe rogan
I think it's like a hundred.
sam tripoli
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Who do you think?
sam tripoli
A thousand.
joe rogan
A thousand every day?
sam tripoli
Every day?
Oh, every day?
joe rogan
Every day.
sam tripoli
Gotta be a couple.
I mean...
Yeah, about 100 probably.
joe rogan
I'm lowballing saying 100, but I think it's probably just...
sam tripoli
I thought we'd get thousands over like a year.
joe rogan
I think maybe...
Well, let's find out.
I think it's more than 100. I think I'm super lowballing.
How many meteorites enter into our atmosphere?
jamie vernon
It added together a bunch.
So it added together meteoroids, micrometeoroids, and other space debris.
An estimated 25 million enter every day.
sam tripoli
25 mil every day?
unidentified
Whoa.
sam tripoli
It's just a space bukkake.
That's what that is.
joe rogan
Space bukkake, that should be the name of your next special.
unidentified
Space bukkake.
joe rogan
Dude, you should do a bit on this, and you should literally name it Space Bugaki.
Oh my god.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at that one.
It's estimated that probably 500 meteorites reach the surface of the Earth each year.
Okay.
But less than 10 are recovered.
That's interesting.
That is because most fall into the ocean, land in remote areas of the Earth, land in places that are not easily accessible, or just not seen to fall.
They fall during the day.
Interesting.
Do you know that they find a lot of chunks from the moon?
Meteorites that are apparently, they know they're from the moon.
They find them in Antarctica.
sam tripoli
The moon is really interesting, dude.
joe rogan
Really interesting.
sam tripoli
Because, like, it doesn't make sense, a lot of it.
What doesn't make sense?
People think, like...
Why it's there, how it works, what it represents.
There are cultures that remember when the moon wasn't there.
joe rogan
They're probably not right.
sam tripoli
Okay, hey man!
They're ancient, bro!
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not right.
They know how old the moon is.
They know how old the moon is.
That's one of them theories.
It's silly to go that far.
To think there's cultures that knew when there was no moon.
No, they don't.
sam tripoli
Dude, there's some weird energy with the moon.
joe rogan
It stabilizes our atmosphere.
It stabilizes a lot of things about...
The moon is...
What is it?
One quarter size of the Earth, right?
Isn't it?
sam tripoli
It's an energy collector, bro.
joe rogan
It's one sixth Earth's gravity.
Is it one quarter size of the Earth?
How big is the moon?
I think it's less than that.
sam tripoli
I think the moon's interesting, bro.
joe rogan
I think it's less than a quarter size.
sam tripoli
I think it's an energy collector.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
sam tripoli
And Pac-Man is about the moon.
jamie vernon
It's less than a third the width of Earth.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a lot bigger than I thought.
jamie vernon
A third?
joe rogan
A third the width of Earth, really?
jamie vernon
It gives back a lot of different answers for the way that you say how big is the moon.
joe rogan
So the prevailing theory, I believe, is that the moon was formed when Earth was hit by another planet.
A radius of 1,080 miles, the moon is less than a third of the width of Earth.
If Earth is the size of a nickel, the moon would be about as big as a coffee bean.
The moon is an average of 238,855 miles away.
Earth is four times bigger than the moon.
The moon is more than one quarter.
27% the size of the Earth.
Wow, so it's more than 25%.
A much larger ratio than any other planets and their moons.
So what they think is that Earth...
I think the theory is Earth-1 and Earth-2.
And that Earth-1 was the original Earth, and this was like the early formation of Earth.
And then Earth was hit by another planet.
Because back then, shit was wild.
sam tripoli
Yeah, it was wild out there.
joe rogan
By the way, that's not that long ago.
Earth is only like 4 point something billion years old, right?
And the universe is like 10 billion, almost 10 billion more than that, for what we know.
So it's crazy.
Like the universe is around for 10 billion fucking years.
sam tripoli
I can't even think about it.
Like what was that?
What happened the moment before the universe showed up?
What was there?
joe rogan
Right, what was there?
sam tripoli
Dude, these meat suits can't calculate that shit.
joe rogan
Well, that and the idea of infinity is too much.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We can't.
We can pretend that we can understand it, but it's not really...
sam tripoli
I think these are sumo meat suits, right?
Kind of like when you go to a party and you're doing those...
And they're meant to limit our ability to understand certain thoughts.
For a reason.
joe rogan
On purpose?
sam tripoli
Yeah, because we're here for karma.
joe rogan
Well, isn't it...
sam tripoli
What?
Yeah, dude.
We're here because of karma?
I believe we're here.
This is a realm of karma, and we're here to figure something out.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tripoli
Yes, that's my honest belief.
joe rogan
Huh.
sam tripoli
Dude, these meat suits are purposely made to limit our capacity to figure stuff out so we don't just superman this shit or the boys it.
So we have to go through and we have to learn this thing.
I think we live multiple lives.
It gets into this thing about abundance versus scarcity.
And I think we live multiple lives until we get it right.
joe rogan
I've heard that.
That thought is an old thought.
A lot of people believe that, including Elio Gracie, the grandfather of the Gracie clan.
sam tripoli
I do believe it.
joe rogan
He believed that.
He believed you live your life over and over again until you get it right.
sam tripoli
I think we're taught scarcity as children, that there's only limited this and limited that, and it puts fear into us.
Instead of that, there's enough for everybody.
And the more you give away, the more it comes back to you.
You only live once, blah, blah, blah, that's pounded into us.
So I think that we have multiple lives.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
You're kind of almost back-engineering it.
I try to look at it from ancient times to today.
What we know about ancient times versus today.
What is going on?
And I think people had...
I think if you look at the impact theory, and the concept is that people were super advanced, they built all these giant structures, and then something happened, and then they had to rebuild.
It almost kind of makes sense, because you have people that are super intelligent, but they're acting like fucking total psychos.
Like people would if it was like a Mad Max scenario and then it eventually evolved to be less of a Mad Max scenario.
And then, you know, it became just kings and monarchs and ruling over people and famine and disease and occasionally witches and...
But the reason why people are so fucking smart and why none of it makes sense is because we did have a certain level of sophistication at one point in time that we don't have anymore.
sam tripoli
Yep.
I think history is a giant lie.
I think we're told a lot of history that we know isn't exactly what went down.
I think there's a whole bunch of stuff.
When pieces start coming together, you're like, whoa.
joe rogan
How do these conversations go with Callan when you guys do?
sam tripoli
Oh, it's the best, bro.
Conspiracy Theory Social Club.
He doesn't believe in all.
But you know, he's a great guy.
I love him to death.
And I love him to pieces.
And it's a fun show.
I think if he believed in anything, it would just be another conspiracy show.
But the fact that I always used to love the old debate show, William F. Buckley, where they'd show up and And I always wanted to do that.
And so when, you know, Callan's like, let's do a show.
I'm like, okay, let's do it.
And that's the, it's the number one debate show between binary men.
unidentified
Okay.
sam tripoli
We just, we just kind of go at each other and it works.
And I just enjoy it.
He doesn't want, he believes in some stuff he doesn't want to believe, but that's why the show's great.
And I enjoy it.
I love hidden history.
I kind of started getting into it when this author, Matt LaCroix, came on my podcast.
He told me about all the pyramids and how all the pyramids around the world have such similar architecture and design and how they're on all these ley lines.
I had this woman who kind of helped change my life.
Her name's Von Galt.
unidentified
She's a Buddhist author.
sam tripoli
And she was saying the same thing, but in a spiritual way.
And I go, wow, man, we got science over here saying this, and then spirituality saying this, maybe there's something to it.
And it's just about all kind of like the Anunnaki and stuff like that, whether you want to get into that.
But I believe we have a long, long history that we've been lied to about how really special we Have we been lied to or are we all trying to figure it all out?
joe rogan
This is the problem that I have with a lot of conspiracy theorists is that they want to think that someone in every Every facet of life, someone has it completely under control and knows exactly what it is and why we're here.
What's wrong with that is that everybody started off as a baby.
Everybody that's alive today started off as a baby.
And they started off as a baby fairly recently.
So I don't think they know.
I don't think it's possible.
I think you'd have to be alive back then to really know what the fuck is up.
And even if you believe, even if you 100% believe, you don't know for sure.
Even if you believe in some wacky skull and crossbones fucking scroll that they pull out where they tell you how the earth was formed and that the Anunnaki are coming, you gotta be prepared and you gotta suck a dick with a Polaroid because we have to have evidence on you.
sam tripoli
What do you mean it's not working the camera?
joe rogan
The only way we can do this is you gotta suck a dick on camera.
Even if you believe all that, I think you don't know.
And I think that's the reality of being a person.
I don't think there's any all-knowing, all-wise person that's evilly running the world through strings, like a puppeteer.
I think it's more likely a bunch of people that have amassed mass wealth And power.
And they're trying to maintain that in any way, shape possible.
And that doesn't leave a lot of time for exploring the origins of mankind and then conspiring to keep it from the plebs.
sam tripoli
I agree with a lot of that, okay?
The only pushback I have is when we take a look at, like, let's say how Canada treated the indigenous people, right?
So they went in there and they kind of made these deals with people.
And then what they did is they shipped their children off to schools away from the adults and the elders.
And that made a disconnect.
joe rogan
Well, they did that here, too.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
And it makes a disconnect from your heritage.
joe rogan
Yes.
sam tripoli
And I think that's a big, big issue with the black community that was done to them.
They never really were told how powerful they truly are.
And we mistake this thing, culture, for heritage.
And heritage isn't, your culture is not heritage.
Your heritage is much different.
And your heritage is your lineage through you, your people, through time.
And that allows you to get a running start in life.
joe rogan
Right.
And we're trying to erase their heritage.
That's what they did to the Native Americans, too.
sam tripoli
And they did to the black community as well.
joe rogan
That is a common theme in cultures when they take over another culture, right?
They make them assimilate to their laws and their gods and their way of living.
With the Native Americans, one of the things that's most demoralizing for the men was they cut all their hair off.
They would shave their heads.
They'd give them buzz cuts.
I was reading this book.
I think it's Black Elk Speaks.
I think it's that one.
About this guy going through that whole system and being alive during the time when the Native Americans roamed the plains.
And being right there when it all got taken down and destroyed.
And being alive when like Sitting Bull, like that whole...
Little Bighorn thing went down.
They killed Custer.
All those Americans fucked up and they came in.
There was a giant super camp of Native Americans that have come together in union for the first time ever and they slaughtered them.
This guy was alive when all that happened.
And then went on to be captured by the system and have to live on a reservation and the whole deal.
And these people that tell these stories about those times, it's no wonder why so many Native Americans are alcoholics and stuck on these reservations in horrible poverty.
The whole thing was atrocious.
It's a terrible moment in history when you think that that is how history was done over and over and over again.
This is like, what we're dealing with today, with everybody being woke and super sensitive and crazy, is still way better than living as a Plains Indian in the 1800s and having all this shit happen to you.
All the things that are happening in society, even if they're questionable and even if they're problematic, at least for most people, are moving in a better direction.
Most people, I mean, even people that want to be woke, why do they want to be woke?
What does that mean?
Well, they want to be the most sensitive, the most inclusive, the most kind.
So, like, their intentions are probably good.
And then they get crazy with it.
And then some people are, like, hyper-aggressive with it.
Like, you know, the few percentage on each side, whether it's the right-wing people that want to take down the Capitol, or the left-wing people that want to light the Capitol building on fire because, you know, you're not supporting trans women's rights to have babies in the bathroom at Kmart.
sam tripoli
You're not TikTok dancing for gay Ukrainians get pregnant or something like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, Ukrainian men.
sam tripoli
To have abortions?
No, 100%.
joe rogan
It's like we're moving in a good direction.
I don't really believe that there's a mastermind behind it all.
I think there's people that capitalize on weakness and vulnerability.
And during COVID, obviously, we were very vulnerable and the economy became very weak.
And those are very dangerous scenarios.
For people that are used to capitalizing on moments when society is weak and divided and moments of economic strife.
Moments when they can control markets and control industries and figure out how to profit the most and how to eliminate certain competitors.
You know, it's all scary shit, man, because economics does play a factor in how they make decisions that can affect the vast majority of us.
And the people that are profiting off of these decisions, it's a fucking relatively small amount of people.
sam tripoli
Small group of people, man.
joe rogan
Here's a question.
Who owns the fucking oil in the ocean, and why do you get it?
Who gets it?
Who gets the pump that's out?
Isn't that the world stuff?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do you own that?
You don't own that part of land.
You can't own the ocean, right?
The ocean is international waters, right?
How many yards from the shore are they allowed to pump and say, like, this is California's oil?
sam tripoli
No, that's a great point.
joe rogan
At what point in time, I mean, I'm sure there's probably a law, but at what point in time do they decide that someone can own that?
Because if you're going to sell oil that you got out of the ocean, first of all, you should give us a piece, because sometimes you guys fuck up and it ruins the beach.
sam tripoli
Well, I don't even know why when they fuck up, we got to pay for it.
That's like going to a restaurant and they're like, hey, the cook fucked up your chicken.
It's going to be another five bucks.
You're like, what?
joe rogan
Oil companies post record earnings a sky-high bracket.
unidentified
They're posting record earnings while the fucking...
joe rogan
That's weird that they would charge a lot for gas and make a lot of money.
sam tripoli
Yeah, it's crazy.
Wow, what business model is that?
joe rogan
8.5 billion dollar profit for BP as prices soared during the Russia-Ukraine war.
Wow.
The world is ablaze and the oil industry just posted record profits.
Is it us or them?
It's like, hey, is that a dick in my ass or a finger?
I just want to know what is happening.
sam tripoli
It's nuts.
I also don't think there's a limited supply of oil.
I think it replenishes itself and you make it seem like, oh, dude, we might run out.
We might run out.
We got to jack it up a little bit.
joe rogan
It doesn't take a long fucking time to replenish.
sam tripoli
I mean, it might, yeah.
joe rogan
I think the idea is that it replenishes itself, but the idea is that the supply might outstrip the demand.
I don't think anybody's questioning whether or not the world will make more oil.
I think the question is, how long does it take to make enough that we need to drive, you know, fucking one of them badass Mustangs?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
Well, isn't that why they called it fossil fuel forever?
Because it was like the notion that it was from dead dinosaurs, which was hilarious?
joe rogan
I think that's a misnomer.
I think they think it's more dead plant material.
I think it's decaying plant material, if I remember correctly.
See if that's the case.
I don't think there's enough dinosaurs.
I think that was just like a silly way of thinking about it.
I think it's a bunch of organic matter.
A natural fuel such as coal or gas formed in geological past from the remains of living organisms.
But what kind of organisms?
Is it mostly fossil fuel?
Just Google fossil fuel is mostly plants.
sam tripoli
Plants and animals.
joe rogan
And animals.
Dead plants and animals that is extracted.
sam tripoli
Dead dinosaurs.
joe rogan
I would imagine there's way more animals than plants.
sam tripoli
Yeah, what is the process of that?
joe rogan
I don't remember where I read that.
sam tripoli
But you remember it was like, peak oil's gonna come.
We're all in trouble.
You're like, what?
joe rogan
Decomposing.
Fuck, I was gonna tell you something.
I forgot it.
Decomposing plants and animals.
God damn it.
What was I gonna tell you?
It was a good one, too.
I'll probably remember it in a moment.
sam tripoli
I think it's interesting, dude.
I think...
I don't know if it's one...
I think there's a lot of people, but I think there is a push to not allow us to know how special we are, and that really is a big part of what's everything going on.
joe rogan
Do you think they really are doing that on purpose, or do you think they're not thinking about that?
sam tripoli
I think they are.
joe rogan
Do you think they're just thinking about trying to make a lot of money?
sam tripoli
Again, I think it's a spiritual war and it's being done purposefully.
I could be wrong.
I've been wrong about the first 48 years of my life.
joe rogan
Listen, it's an interesting theory.
We should explore it.
You don't have to have any...
I mean, I get it.
You could be wrong.
sam tripoli
Which I'm fine with.
You get used to it after a while.
When you study, there's this book called Murder by Injection, and it was talking about how the Rockefellers and what they did to the healthcare industry.
joe rogan
What the Rockefellers did to it?
Yeah.
sam tripoli
Well, they basically pumped all this money into the American Medical Association, which basically became this kind of like...
It became the standard for the government's policies on health, but in reality it was more like just an organized crime family.
joe rogan
What?
sam tripoli
Dude, study this stuff.
Dude, you know what the weirdest thing is?
Is they wage war on the chiropractic community.
joe rogan
Oh, but that's probably a good thing.
Let's go to this first.
Murder by Injection, the story of the medical conspiracy against America, paperback.
391 ratings and five stars.
The present work, result of some 40 years of investigative research, is a logical progression from my previous books, The Expose of International Control of Monetary...
Issues in banking practices the United States a later work revealing that the secret network of organizations through which these alien forces wield political power The secret committees foundations and political parties through which their hidden plans are implemented and now the most vital issue of all the manner in which these depredations affect the daily lives of Oh boy,
this is a run-on sentence from a guy that's on Adderall, son.
This guy's on the good shit.
He's on that, I need to write a book right now, Adderall.
This is crazy.
There's no breaks in there.
unidentified
It's a great book.
sam tripoli
So you get into that, and then the other book is, I'm sure you know about, is Tragedy and Hope.
joe rogan
But let's explore this.
So what do you think happened with the medical community?
sam tripoli
Basically, the Rockefellers created the basically funded the AMA to basically almost make it so it was impossible unless you played ball with them to get anything and get any funding going to be seen as legitimate.
And they controlled it through that.
And they ran out any holistic medicine or anything like that that wasn't involving a pill or pharmaceutical companies or anything like that.
Now, I'm going to be honest with you.
I'm not...
I'm not explaining it as well as it should be, but...
No.
joe rogan
Don't be hard on yourself.
You're doing an amazing job.
You should be in front of Yale right now.
sam tripoli
The only way I'm going to be at Yale is if I'm a custodian.
So, I mean, but basically, they basically took over everything.
What is that, Jamie?
joe rogan
You got something?
sam tripoli
That guy could be at Yale.
He's not super important.
joe rogan
He seemed very important.
Oh, okay.
sam tripoli
Is he nutty?
jamie vernon
I have no way of knowing yet.
sam tripoli
They basically took over and became the governing body of how the healthcare medical communities operated.
joe rogan
But doesn't somebody have to be the governing body?
Don't they have to make sure that people don't get sold snake oil and fake medicine?
sam tripoli
Which is really great.
joe rogan
Because people always had done that throughout history, right?
sam tripoli
100%.
But then that could easily be manipulated to go the other way so that you are buying snake oil and you are buying these things that maybe aren't the most healthiest for you when there's healthy options out there that maybe someone can't make as much money off of.
joe rogan
I will interject here.
jamie vernon
This is the author of the book.
I believe it.
joe rogan
I believe him.
Look at his face.
sam tripoli
Oh, here we go with anti-Semitism.
jamie vernon
I'm just saying this is what the Wikipedia says he is.
joe rogan
He's an American white supremacist, anti-Semitic, conspiracy theorist, propagandist, Holocaust denier, and writer.
A disciple of the poet Ezra Pound.
I don't know who that is, but hold on.
In which he alleges that several high-profile bankers had conspired to write the Federal Reserve Act for their own nefarious purposes and then included Congress to...
And then what?
No, not included.
Enacted into law.
Enacted into law.
The Southern Poverty Law Center described them as a one-man organization of hate.
The problem is the Southern Poverty Law Center, didn't they...
Have a similar designation for Sam Harris?
Wasn't there an issue where they called him an anti...
They called him something.
I don't want to put words in their mouth.
But there was a real issue with multiple people being accused of horrific offenses by them.
That they've been sued.
They've sued people.
Or people have sued them, rather.
sam tripoli
Well, if you look at ESG, right, which is environmental social governance, that is basically a new branding of what they call cultural Marxism.
And if you look up cultural Marxism, it would say it's anti-Semitic.
joe rogan
So here, hold on a second.
This guy wrote that he espoused anti-Semitic views and expressed the belief that America owed a debt to Hitler.
sam tripoli
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, you might want to look into these guys.
sam tripoli
But that doesn't change.
joe rogan
Sam, it does change.
It changes a lot.
It changes the only source that you have for this wacky fucking theory.
sam tripoli
No, I mean, there's other books.
I just haven't read them yet.
joe rogan
I know, but why is it so exciting for you to think that that's true?
That's the case.
Instead of that people are messy, and that the American Medical Association was trying to figure out a way to govern and figure out what's real and what's not real, and have high standards in terms of what medications they accept and what physicians they accept, and then along the way, money comes Compromises that.
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
And then people start denying the use of certain medications because they're not profitable and pushing and propagandizing towards other medications and maybe not even also being deceptive and inaccurate about test results because they want to achieve a desired result that will be more profitable.
Now that's been proven to be true.
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
That's been proven to be true with Vioxx.
sam tripoli
By who?
Like the CDC, right?
joe rogan
Well, I mean, this is like in court.
sam tripoli
The WHO. That's simply the same thing I'm saying, just a modern day version of it, whether you take the CDC or the AMA. Sort of.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is that the roots of it were not this nefarious plot to imprison Americans.
The roots of it were most likely that they were trying to figure out what is legitimate medicine and what is not legitimate medicine.
And that along the way, Then nefarious people can compromise the system that's already in place for profit if they have some sort of a power system that allows them to dictate who gets funded and who doesn't.
That is provable.
sam tripoli
Okay.
joe rogan
That's real stuff.
sam tripoli
And I totally agree with that, but I think that could be applied.
unidentified
Well, a broken clock could be right twice a day, right?
sam tripoli
I mean, like, somebody could say some stupid shit.
joe rogan
Or it might be he's out of his fucking mind.
sam tripoli
It can be, but I think there's a history that he just illustrates.
And I could be wrong, and I'll take an L on that for sure.
joe rogan
But why do you believe that there's a history of them manipulating stuff?
sam tripoli
Why do I believe that?
Because you could do research into it and see what they're doing.
I mean, if we just take a look at what's going on right now.
joe rogan
Right now, I think, goes back to what we were talking about before, that certain people do get compromised by the thoughts of profit.
And whether it's people that are the head of pharmaceutical companies that are pushing some...
New medication that's going to be very, very profitable or, you know, whether it's the people that decide to fund certain research and not fund other research or rig studies or also like throw out bad studies.
The thing is, it's not transparent.
You know, if they do like 10 studies and they can do 10 and throw out eight and find two of them that show a good result and they can say, we got a good result.
And the way they can describe these results is like really sneaky.
And this is what they get busted for.
And this is why we found out that they lied about opiates being addictive when they were pushing Oxycontin and Oxycodone and all that shit.
There's a direct paper trail.
It shows they were deceptive.
You know, and this is what they've done, like, big corporate agencies have done this forever.
sam tripoli
Have you seen, what is it called, Dope?
joe rogan
Dope Sick.
sam tripoli
Dope Sick.
joe rogan
I haven't seen it.
sam tripoli
You haven't seen it?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Everybody tells me it's sick.
sam tripoli
I have to watch it.
joe rogan
I mean, in a good way.
sam tripoli
Sick in a good way.
It is the exact playbook that they ran.
joe rogan
Well, that's about the opiates, right?
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's real.
sam tripoli
So that's my whole opinion.
Maybe that guy's an idiot and I hate anybody who is like, this group is doing this.
I don't think it's a born-in group or anything like that, but I do believe people conspire.
joe rogan
I think they do too.
This is where you and I... But I'm trying to look at it like objectively.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The problem with conspiracies and conspiracy theories is they're fucking fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love Bigfoot and UFOs and ghosts and Hitler.
unidentified
Hollow Earth.
joe rogan
I love hearing all this crazy shit like Hitler was conspiring with demons and- What?
sam tripoli
Cult magic, bro.
joe rogan
Also like that maybe Hitler lived and moved to Argentina.
How about that?
sam tripoli
You don't believe that?
unidentified
You know that one?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't know.
Tim Kennedy was the one who filled me in on that.
And everybody goes, that's crazy.
Do you folks know that there is a giant, thriving German community in Argentina?
And some of them have fucking, like, this is grandpappy.
Like, it's an SS soldier wearing his fucking uniform on the wall of their house.
Tim Kennedy described going to these places and seeing these people.
They have Oktoberfest down there.
Have you ever seen that?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, it is a fact that a bunch of Nazis escaped Nazi Germany and went to South America, right?
sam tripoli
I don't think the Nazis lost the war.
I think Germany lost the war.
joe rogan
This is Oktoberfest in Argentina.
How nuts is that?
sam tripoli
That is nuts.
joe rogan
Nuts.
There's that many Germans down there.
Look at these people.
They got the lederhosen.
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
They got the old school dress and the bagpipes and shit.
That's wild, dude.
sam tripoli
That is...
joe rogan
Secret German village in the middle of Argentina.
Like, bro.
Now, now Google this.
Did Nazis escape Germany and move to Argentina?
That whole...
Now, you gotta remember also, 1947, the way you get information is books and newspapers.
That's it, you know?
In Argentine haven for fugitive Nazis...
Jesus, one more time.
In Argentine haven for fugitive Nazis, April means chocolate eggs and Hitler parties.
Twenty years after the capture of Eric, how do you say his name?
Pribeke in some Bar-Aloche are trying to come to terms with the city's legacy of silence.
How do you say that word?
Bar-Aloche?
Summon Bar-Aloche?
So, most likely, that's what that is.
sam tripoli
Do you think that's crazy?
Have you ever seen- Whoa, whoa, whoa!
joe rogan
Go back up to the top.
Well, no, no, no.
Scroll through the first paragraph.
What does it say here?
A little boy, Hans Schultz, the blue-eyed son of a Hitler youth member, would walk uphill half a block each afternoon from the German school to his white stucco house in the Argentine ski resort.
A Baroloche.
Steps from an icy lake hugged by Andean peaks.
Inside he'd often find his dad, the president of the town's German-Argentinian Culture Association, sitting with his vice president and close friend, an austere, well-respected delicatessen owner named Eric Pribeke.
This is wild shit, man.
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Scroll down a little further.
Does it say anything else that's notable?
Yeah, it's very not.
Oh, hold on a second.
Here we go.
Last October, Prubiké died in Rome, where he spent his final years under house arrest, serving a life sentence for his role in carrying out the massacre of 335 civilians at the Ardietine Caves in 1944, when he was a captain in the Nazi SS. But from 1946,
when he was smuggled to Argentina, until 1994, when the TV journalist Sam Donaldson confronted him on a Barlow Street.
I hope I'm not fucking up that word.
Barlow Street, Pripyke lived a comfortable, if fabricated life in this Bavarian-styled city at the bottom of the world.
sam tripoli
Holy shit.
jamie vernon
When I looked into the Operation Paperclip, they didn't all come to America.
Some went to Russia.
Some went elsewhere.
sam tripoli
Have you ever looked into Huntsville, Alabama?
joe rogan
That's wild, though.
That's wild.
No, I haven't looked into Huntsville, Alabama.
What's Huntsville, Alabama?
What?
sam tripoli
Dude, they have...
joe rogan
Jamie's excited.
jamie vernon
I've seen it.
I know where he's going with this.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tell me.
sam tripoli
Dude, they have an arena named after a Nazi.
Von Braun.
unidentified
Von Braun.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean Wernher von Braun?
Yeah.
That's an interesting one, right?
sam tripoli
That's a really interesting one.
joe rogan
Wernher von Braun, who was the head of NASA. Can I do a joke for you real quick?
Yeah, please.
sam tripoli
A Nazi, a Scientologist, a pedophile, and a...
A Nazi, a satanist, a pedophile, and a Scientologist walk into a bar.
What do they do?
joe rogan
What do they do?
Invent NASA. The horrible story of NASA is that NASA was constructed with people from Operation Paperclip, which was Nazi scientists.
Like, not just people that were working under Nazi Germany, but people actively practiced as Nazis.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, Google this, make sure it's true because I keep saying it.
At one point in time, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, I believe, said that if Wernher von Braun was alive today, they would prosecute him for crimes against humanity.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Because people claimed that he had hung the five slowest Jews in front of his rocket factory in Berlin.
That's how they would encourage people to work faster.
sam tripoli
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Now that part, I don't know if it's true, so we should probably find that out or edit it out, but I've said it so many times.
I know I've read it.
I know I read it.
sam tripoli
Well, you're not pushing books by anti-smack, so you look good on this.
joe rogan
I know I watched a documentary where a guy who was a concentration camp survivor remembered seeing Wernher von Braun at the camps, or at the rocket factory.
But it's a fact that they used Jews as slave labor.
It's a fact, right?
sam tripoli
Yeah, and it's tragic.
joe rogan
And it's scary shit that they brought those people over, and they knew they were Nazis, and they also had those dueling scars on their face.
jamie vernon
This is the Wiesenthal Center's article about the U.S. Nazis.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
This was an interesting part of it.
joe rogan
The United States record on this issue can basically be divided into four periods.
During the first, which lasted from the end of the war in 1945 until approximately 1948, the U.S. government played a major role in the prosecution of senior Nazi officials at the Nuremberg trials and of other criminals in additional proceedings, some of which were held in former concentration camps during the second period from 1948 until approximately 1953. The exact opposite happened.
With the Cold War already underway, the US lost interest in actively pursuing Nazi war criminals, preferring to build up West Germany as a bulwark against communism and therefore adopting a far more lenient attitude towards former Nazis, some of whom were enlisted as intelligence sources or rocket scientists.
Their criminal Nazi pasts ignored.
Equally appalling, Was the fact that during these years US immigration authorities allowed entry into the United States as refuge to thousands of the worst of Hitler's East European henchmen.
It's true.
That's scary shit, dude.
sam tripoli
The Nuremberg trial.
joe rogan
Scroll up, scroll up.
Look at this.
Holocaust crimes, however, could not be prosecuted in the United States as they had been committed overseas, and their victims were not Americans at the time of the crimes were committed.
So instead, Nazi criminals were prosecuted for immigration and naturalization violations, that is, for concealing their wartime past.
Although this appeared to be a cop-out of sorts, when announced, the decision yielded relatively successful results.
The good news was that it was relatively easy to win such cases compared to war crimes prosecutions.
The downside was that the punishments, denaturalization and deportation, were often grotesquely incommensurate with the crimes.
Does it say anything about Wernher von Braun?
jamie vernon
I didn't get anything specifically about him.
joe rogan
But just Google Wernher von Braun was a Nazi.
Let's see that.
sam tripoli
Well, I mean they would talk about for like the longest time up until almost the 80s or early 90s like in Huntsville You weren't allowed to talk about how he was a Nazi You'd have to be because everyone was like convincing themselves like he didn't want to do it and stuff like that Think about those times man think about 47 where you know when they were doing all this or 48 when they're bringing all these guys over here How would anybody find out?
joe rogan
How would anybody find out that the head of NASA was a fucking Nazi?
His Nazi record was not widely known until after his death.
unidentified
Right.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
Oh, we did not know what he did.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
We had no idea.
Yeah.
Huntsville, Alabama.
Wernher von Braun received an unpleasant surprise.
A West German court asked him to testify in the trial of three former SS men from the Mittalbaudura concentration camp, which had supplied slave labor for the production of the V-2 ballistic missile.
Von Braun had been the technical director of that project and visited the associated Mittelwerk factory a dozen times.
Now the head of the center that managed the gigantic Saturn V moon rocket, he was afraid the attendant publicity would damage his reputation and that of NASA. He tried to beg off, but in the end spoke to the judge and the court and At the West German Consulate in New Orleans on February 7th,
1969. He denied any personal responsibility and put as much distance as he could between his, say that word, Pienemünde Rocket Development Center and the Middlework Complex.
Yeah, man.
sam tripoli
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That's wild shit, dude.
sam tripoli
Crazy.
joe rogan
The military did the same with von Braun's SS officer rank and Nazi records of more than 100 associates who had come to the U.S. with him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
I guess they felt like we were in the Cold War with Russia, and we have two choices.
Either lose the war because the Russians get the Nazis, or we get the Nazis.
That's some shit that you have to do.
It sounds horrible.
It is horrible.
But so is war.
And so is losing a nuclear war to the Russians, right?
And if these motherfuckers are making Weapons and and and fucking superior jet engines and all kinds of crazy shit the Germans were doing and Making rockets they were very advanced with rocketry and Those crazy motherfuckers, they had to grab them.
That's what's sick.
What's sick is it was probably the thing to do.
Because if Russians got all of them, can you imagine if the Russians got all the Nazis?
Said, come on over here, we got you.
We got you, bro.
What do you want?
I want a palace?
Hey, you got a fucking palace.
sam tripoli
Set them up.
joe rogan
You want some hot Russian ladies to keep company with you while you're designing the next fucking apocalypse weapon that's going to destroy everything?
Let's get all the greatest fucking scientists that you got.
sam tripoli
Have you ever heard of Tartaria?
joe rogan
Tartaria?
sam tripoli
You've never heard of Tartaria?
Oh, it's like my favorite.
joe rogan
I love this.
Sam is always...
unidentified
I don't want to get too weird on you.
sam tripoli
I guess we already did, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, we're...
sam tripoli
Tartaria.
joe rogan
Three hours later, too weird, son.
sam tripoli
There's this belief that there's been a hidden empire wiped from our history books, and it's Tartaria.
joe rogan
When was it around?
sam tripoli
It was a shipping empire that was around up until maybe the 1800s.
joe rogan
What?
sam tripoli
Yeah, and that...
unidentified
Where was it?
sam tripoli
It was wiped out of the history books, and I love the...
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
Oh, that sounds exciting.
Where did they wipe it out of?
Where was it, supposedly?
sam tripoli
Out of Russia.
joe rogan
It was Russia?
sam tripoli
Yeah, it was out of Russia, and it was very advanced.
joe rogan
Have you looked into this?
sam tripoli
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
As much as you looked into that guy being a Nazi?
sam tripoli
Well, I didn't look into it.
I read his book.
joe rogan
Okay, here it is.
Something comes up.
Tatari.
sam tripoli
Look up Tartarian Empire.
unidentified
Tartaria.
joe rogan
There it is.
Asia, Tartaria.
sam tripoli
Well, before we get into that, have you ever looked into like...
unidentified
Oh, wait a minute.
joe rogan
They seem to say it's real.
That was a real place, Sam.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
Someone said like a UFC fighter said he was from Tartaria.
joe rogan
Maybe.
There's hard fucking people in that part of the world.
sam tripoli
Oh, yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Let's see what it says.
What is Tartaria about?
jamie vernon
It's talking about...
joe rogan
Is there an article that doesn't look like it?
The problem with Wikipedia is my eyes suck.
I can't read it.
jamie vernon
Can I go with the conspiracy theory?
joe rogan
Sure.
jamie vernon
Okay.
That's the fun shit.
joe rogan
Grand Tataria.
jamie vernon
Lost land or civilization originated in Russia.
joe rogan
With aspects first appearing in Anatoly Formenko's...
jamie vernon
New chronology and then popularized in the racial occult history of Nikolai Lavashov.
Russian pseudoscience, known for its nationalism.
Tartaria is presented as the real name for Russia, which was maliciously ignored in the West.
But it also says it's a deep...
Oh, shit.
sam tripoli
But it's basically that there is this shipping empire that went all over the world.
joe rogan
Imagine if you're on the beach in the Maldives and you see some hard-ass looking Russian gangster with Tartaria tattooed on his back.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, oh no.
sam tripoli
You're like, fuck, bro.
joe rogan
I gotta get out of here.
sam tripoli
But they're also known to be giants, dude.
jamie vernon
It says the Great Pyramids and the White House are remnants of Tatarian buildings.
sam tripoli
Dude, that's the crazy thing, man.
joe rogan
And the White House?
As long as it's the White House, too.
Now I believe.
jamie vernon
Also Penn Station.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about, Sam?
jamie vernon
Or the original Penn Station in New York.
sam tripoli
Have you ever looked into the conspiracies involving the World Fair, like the Chicago World Fair?
So they basically said they built this World Fair in like two years.
And if you ask actual architects, they would go, just the design would take 15 years.
And the build it would take forever.
And they said that they built it in two years and then knocked it all down.
Bang!
Gone.
joe rogan
What did it look like?
sam tripoli
It's like the conspiracies of the World Fair.
It looks like the Vatican.
joe rogan
So this is what they built, and then they knocked it all down?
sam tripoli
They said they built all this in two years.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
They built that in two years?
sam tripoli
That's what they said.
And then they knocked it all down.
What?
joe rogan
Okay, we're going to have to dive into this one.
Because did they really knock it all down?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why would they do that?
This is in Chicago?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
So they built all this and then they demolished it?
sam tripoli
Yep.
joe rogan
What remains of the 1893 Chicago World's Fair today.
unidentified
So why did they do that?
sam tripoli
Are you asking me?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tripoli
Because they're erasing history.
joe rogan
Why would they want to erase something they built?
sam tripoli
And that's a whole different thing, dude.
joe rogan
I feel like I'm providing a much-needed service with your thought process on these things.
sam tripoli
Thank you.
joe rogan
I think someone needs to go, wait, hold on.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The interesting thing about this World's Fair, I think this was the Tesla Edison one where they were about to, like, AC, DC power was a really big thing.
joe rogan
Right.
sam tripoli
Look at that.
They said they built that in two years, dude.
joe rogan
All the structures, the sculptures and everything?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many people?
Did they build all those buildings?
sam tripoli
That's what they're saying.
joe rogan
So why would they knock those down?
They knock those down?
Are those like sets, like when you go to Universal Studios and there's no building behind it?
sam tripoli
Not that I know of, man.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Why don't you Google why they demolished...
jamie vernon
I was hoping it would be in this thing.
joe rogan
Let's just Google that.
Let's Google, just if you could indulge me, please Google why did they demolish the Chicago World Fair.
What do you think?
What do you think it's going to say?
sam tripoli
I'll tell ya!
joe rogan
Some propaganda by them, right?
sam tripoli
It's to erase history, bro!
joe rogan
But why would they want to erase something that we know about?
But if we know that they did that, why would they want to erase that?
sam tripoli
Because the Tatarians had very advanced technology, like giant...
Organs that could heal you through sound.
Have you ever heard of that?
joe rogan
Organs, like musical organs?
sam tripoli
Yeah, like Phantom of the Opera shit.
joe rogan
It would heal you through sound?
sam tripoli
Through sound.
Free energy.
That's a big part of it.
Free energy.
joe rogan
Free energy.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you mean by free energy?
sam tripoli
That they could harness energy.
joe rogan
Oh, like Tesla type?
Yeah.
Like harness electricity through the air?
sam tripoli
Yep.
Yep.
joe rogan
You know, they had said that if he had done that, if Tesla had done that, it probably would have fucked the whole computer revolution.
sam tripoli
For good or bad?
joe rogan
For bad.
It wouldn't have worked.
All the electricity in the air would be frying all the devices.
But then I would think, like, wouldn't they be able to make...
Oh, so there was a fire.
jamie vernon
Giant fire.
unidentified
Convenient.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, convenient.
Fire licked up a large part of the...
Let's see, they were experimenting with electricity for the first time, and it causes a massive fire.
What a shocker.
Well, don't you think maybe they didn't know what the fuck they were doing, Sam?
For three hours, the flames raged along the past end of the Court of Honor until nothing was left but charred timbers and blackened plaster.
A shower of sparks fell upon the ice in the lagoon until it looked like a sea of fire.
They fell upon the adjacent buildings, threatening them with destruction.
It was a magnificent spectacle that drew ceaseless exclamations of wonder and awe from the spectators that crowded the grounds in the vicinity of the fire.
It was the greatest pyrotechnic display of the fair.
sam tripoli
Interesting words.
unidentified
Interesting words.
joe rogan
But the destruction did not end with the burning of these buildings.
Firebrands were carried to the roof of the manufacturer's building and the promenade around the crown of that enormous structure was soon on fire.
The wind was strong and the flames soon reached the immense wooden ventilators under the eaves.
They were soon burning fiercely.
The story under the roof was in a blaze.
It sounds like a horrible fire, Sam.
sam tripoli
Yeah!
joe rogan
But why would you think someone would start this on purpose?
sam tripoli
To destroy it.
joe rogan
But would you think that it would be possible that the winds were really strong and an actual accidental fire that happens all the time broke out and it destroyed those buildings?
Because they were experimenting with electricity.
What caused the fires?
Do they know what caused the fires?
Did they have like arson inspectors back then?
sam tripoli
It's very interesting, dude, because, you know, you go through a lot of these big cities and you kind of see this weird kind of ancient architecture, and then it's surrounded by modern architecture, and it just, the two don't match at all.
One is, like, very advanced.
Like stuff we don't see anymore, and now this new stuff.
And it's just like, it's really mind-blowing.
And you see a lot of this stuff, especially when you go to the smaller cities.
Like they went around and got rid of a lot of this stuff in the bigger cities, and they didn't...
Bother to deal with the smaller cities.
joe rogan
Listen to this.
The Panama-Pacific International Exposition proved so popular and profitable that long before its closing proposals were made to save all or part of it.
Architect Willis Polk in particular lobbied heavily for the preservation of the Palace of Fine Arts, the Palace of Horticulture, South and North Gardens, and the Avenue of Palms.
Louis Christian Molgart told the Commonwealth Club that when the exposition buildings are torn down, then will we have destroyed one of the greatest architectural units which has ever been created in the history of the world.
The influential club, like many others, passed a resolution pleading for the preservation Of as much of the fare as possible.
Speculative forces proved far stronger than the dream, however, and the arches and towers were brought down in clouds of colored plaster, revealing their fall, the underlying lath framework.
The South Gardens were scrapped clean of paintings, fountains, and sculpture, and small buildings were moved to the waterfront and barged throughout the Bay Area.
The North Gardens, Marina Green and Yacht Harbor remained a gift of the exposition along with the Column of Progress with its adventurous Bowman at the end of South Street until the 1920s.
It succumbed to automotive collisions and was pulled down.
jamie vernon
This was the 1915 World Fair in San Francisco.
A similar thing happened.
joe rogan
Would you do me a favor and hold on, go back to that and Google the adventurous Bowman at the end of South Street?
What is that?
So that was the last thing that remained?
What did that look like?
See if you like images.
So there it is.
So it's a statue.
And so too many people hit the guy with the bow and arrow, and that was the last thing remaining.
Now, it sounds fucked that they would tear that stuff down, but, you know, I'm open to the idea that some idiot owned the land, or someone wanted to do something else with it, and they decided to destroy it and build new shit there.
You don't think so?
Like after a fire, you think that they would have decided to preserve it?
What if preserving it would cost a shitload of money?
jamie vernon
These were two separate events.
joe rogan
Two separate events.
jamie vernon
The fires were in Chicago at the pre-1900.
joe rogan
Oh, what is that?
jamie vernon
This was 20 years later in the San Francisco World Fair.
joe rogan
That was what you were showing me right there?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Oh, I thought it was the same World Fair.
unidentified
Nope, nope.
joe rogan
So there's two World Fairs that caught fire.
jamie vernon
No, no.
joe rogan
One of them they just destroyed.
jamie vernon
This one, yeah, this one says they destroyed it.
joe rogan
For no reason.
jamie vernon
I don't, that's where, I don't, we didn't get there yet.
joe rogan
So you think they did it because they want to hide history?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're not even high.
Is it possible?
Tell me what you think of that.
sam tripoli
Which one is this?
joe rogan
That's the one that's got caffeine.
That's the Ignite.
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
That's 150 milligrams of clean caffeine, baby.
Spicy pineapple.
sam tripoli
It's good, dude.
joe rogan
That's my shit, son.
I helped design that one.
That's my idea.
Okay, so this remains.
That's pretty dope.
sam tripoli
See, here's the thing, Joe.
It's like this weird architecture that isn't surrounded by anything around it.
joe rogan
What do you mean it's not surrounded by anything around it?
sam tripoli
This gets into something you talk about, like mud floods, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this stuff has happened during modern history.
They know about this.
They know who built it.
Pretty amazing.
That's insane.
Okay, it's still there.
So look at that.
Scroll back down there.
It says, nine amazing examples of World's Fair architecture that still stand today.
And look how dope that looks.
Go back to that picture again.
sam tripoli
But they knocked down a lot.
joe rogan
I'm sure they did, but that's because people are assholes.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think there's a grand conspiracy to knock.
I mean, I could be wrong, but I'm looking at it.
sam tripoli
I'll take that as a win.
joe rogan
Take it as a win.
Take that W, Sam.
sam tripoli
The world is very interesting, brother.
joe rogan
Why would they try to hide their ability to create awesome structures?
sam tripoli
Because, if you're asking me, Joe, everything is about...
Try not to let us know how special we really are.
joe rogan
Keep going back to that.
I don't know what you mean.
sam tripoli
That we are powerful beings.
joe rogan
And the way they do that is by knocking down that.
sam tripoli
By not letting us know our history.
By rewriting history.
joe rogan
But who would do that?
sam tripoli
Low frequency shit.
joe rogan
Well, I think we flood ourselves with low frequency shit.
I think that's the problem.
Is that we gravitate towards low frequency shit.
And low frequency shit becomes profitable.
Right.
sam tripoli
Well, it just becomes like, before the internet, we only had a few different kind of ways to get stuff.
And these people controlled all that.
Just think about all the stuff that people were able to get away with before the internet was here, and people could do their own research and stuff like that.
And to control the church.
Dude, you look at the Vatican, that out of nowhere, it's like, what is that?
joe rogan
I went to the Vatican on an edible.
sam tripoli
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sam tripoli
The stuff you must have seen and felt.
joe rogan
Yeah, because edible is a good thing to do because it lasts a long time.
You smoke a joint, you're going to be normal in 20 minutes.
You don't want that.
You want to be riding that cannabis wave for a while and soaking in the history of that place.
sam tripoli
And what did you think while you were there?
joe rogan
It's wild.
It's so much art.
It's fucking insane.
You want to go, where did you get all this?
How is this all yours?
sam tripoli
Don't you want to get in that library?
Just like, let me see what's in there, dude.
joe rogan
What do they have?
sam tripoli
What is in there?
joe rogan
What do they have?
Did you ever read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross?
sam tripoli
No, I haven't.
joe rogan
You need to read that.
sam tripoli
I will.
joe rogan
It's a great book about this guy, John Marco Allegro, who deciphered the Dead Sea Scrolls.
He was on the committee for 14 years, worked in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and his conclusion was that the entire Bible was all a misunderstanding.
It was really about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility cults.
It's a wild book.
Supposedly, the Catholic Church bought it up, but it's in print again now.
sam tripoli
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tripoli
I love those dangerous books.
joe rogan
I got old copies of it.
I got used copies of it from when it was first released.
I have two copies of it.
sam tripoli
Okay.
joe rogan
It's a fascinating book, because if the guy was right...
The thing about it is that there's, for sure, in a lot of ancient religious artwork, there's depictions of mushrooms.
For sure.
And for sure they thought that if they ate a mushroom and tripped balls, they probably thought they'd stumbled upon some gift from God, some magic, something that reaffirmed all of their beliefs in the world.
Just like, you know, the people that thought witches were real.
They did the LSD bread and they fucking tripped balls and killed all the witches.
Those people probably, when they were consuming mushrooms, they probably thought that God had given them this fucking amazing gift to communicate with him.
And they had to hide that information in any way, shape, or form.
And so they did it in stories.
And they hid the meanings in allegories and in all these differences.
This was John Marco Allegro's belief in that he broke down the word Christ.
He traced it back to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.
sam tripoli
Really?
joe rogan
And what they believed is that when it...
You've got to remember.
Infant mortality back then is very high.
sam tripoli
Are we talking space pukaki right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, space pukaki.
Exactly.
But God's face bukkake, but infant mortality back then was really high, right?
And they wanted to make as many people as possible.
Otherwise, it wouldn't be any people.
Like these people were actively practicing fertility rituals and they were trying to get pregnant and it was like a really important thing.
So they had rituals they would do to try to get pregnant and they also had this ancient use of psychedelic mushrooms.
So when it rained All of a sudden, these mushrooms would appear.
Like, you know what it's like when you go out in your yard and it was raining and then you'll see mushrooms.
Like, they weren't there yesterday.
Well, they would go out and see these things and then they would eat them.
And they would trip their fucking balls on them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it made sense that they thought that God had given this, like, that God came upon the earth and that this mushroom would allow you to talk to God.
And they would try to hide this shit from conquering armies.
So they hid it in stories.
sam tripoli
I believe all that.
And I also think that, you know, the Vatican has a real interesting role in, like, the interpretation of the Bible and what the Bible represents and how they try to make it, like, literal instead of, like, a spiritual thing.
And, you know, I mean, if you kind of take a look at, like, St. Paddy's Day, right?
You ever study St. Paddy's Day?
joe rogan
No, I never have.
sam tripoli
And what it really is?
What is it?
So it's like, you know, St. Paddy's Day is basically St. Patrick is sent into Ireland to rid the snakes.
That is it, right?
But the truth is, like, I don't think there's snakes in Ireland.
And what they're actually talking about are pagans.
And it's actually a story of genocide, dog.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tripoli
Yeah!
That's what St. Paddy's Day is all about.
joe rogan
Maybe they used to be snakes.
St. Patrick's Day was successful.
sam tripoli
He just got them all out.
unidentified
Killed them all.
joe rogan
Killed all snakes.
sam tripoli
He's just going around killing gardener snakes.
joe rogan
Sorry, he's fucking snakes, man.
sam tripoli
Yeah, I think it had to do with pagans.
So then you get into something called Eagle vs.
Serpent.
Have you ever heard of that story?
joe rogan
No, but let's start with St. Patrick's Day and work our way to Eagle vs.
sam tripoli
Serpent.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
James was like, what about it?
sam tripoli
He can't follow this chaos.
joe rogan
No, I am.
jamie vernon
I'm like, well, what do you want me to look up?
joe rogan
Okay, St. Patrick's Day was really about pagans.
jamie vernon
That part is not, that'd be harder to find out, but there were not snakes there.
joe rogan
Okay, it says, did St. Patrick really drive snakes out of Ireland?
The stuff of legend, the reptiles never existed on the Emerald Isle.
St. Patrick's Day, oh, you son of a bitch.
Enter your email to continue reading.
You son of a bitch.
sam tripoli
Yeah, what are you doing?
joe rogan
Trying to get us.
It's your fucking mailing list.
sam tripoli
It's too cold.
joe rogan
It's too cold.
sam tripoli
For snakes.
joe rogan
For snakes.
Right, right.
So maybe it was just like a way they had to explain why there's no snakes there.
sam tripoli
Which gets into this thing called eagle versus serpent.
And we'll get into it, but those are symbolisms, right?
The eagle represents authority and power.
That's why you see it on all these flags.
The serpent represents knowledge.
And knowledge is power.
And ancient knowledge.
So like when they talk about serpents, they're talking about pagans.
And we have a negative connotation what pagan is in this country because we assume it's like witches and stuff like that.
joe rogan
We assume it's kids with asshole stepdads.
sam tripoli
Right, goth kids?
joe rogan
They're really into anime.
sam tripoli
Right, right, right.
Smoking cigarettes in high school, yelling at about...
That's what they think.
And it's not, man.
joe rogan
It's not?
sam tripoli
It's about basically a cult.
joe rogan
Well, paganism was the existing religion that Christianity kind of incorporated, right?
Didn't they incorporate a lot of their holidays coincided with pagan rituals?
sam tripoli
Yes.
joe rogan
Like Jesus's birthday and all that stuff.
sam tripoli
To bring people in.
joe rogan
Some modern pagans refuse to observe a day which honors the elimination of an old religion in favor of a new one and wear a snake symbol on St. Patrick's Day.
The idea that St. Patrick physically drove the pagans from Ireland is inaccurate.
What he did do was facilitate the spread of Christianity.
sam tripoli
That sounds like a very cleaned up version of it.
That sounds like somebody's PR person came in.
unidentified
It does.
sam tripoli
Well, read this often.
joe rogan
That's not quite what we did.
sam tripoli
Killed, drove, same thing.
unidentified
People have a distorted version of history, apparently.
joe rogan
We were trying to spread Christianity, which is, of course, the real true word of God.
sam tripoli
Right.
joe rogan
Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland, was born in Britain, not Ireland.
Near the end of the fourth century, at age 16, he was kidnapped by Irish raiders and sold as a slave to a Celtic priest in Northern Ireland.
Whoa!
After toiling for six years as a shepherd, he escaped back to Britain.
Yo!
So it's a real person in the fourth century?
Is that a real...
sam tripoli
Yeah.
Which now explains why he wanted to go back and whoop ass, right?
joe rogan
What?
There were no snakes.
Okay, we get that.
So snake was...
Okay.
Leprechauns are likely based on Celtic figures.
Leprechauns are based on mushrooms, and you can eat mushrooms and meet leprechauns.
sam tripoli
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
That's what the elves are.
I mean, everybody has their own version of it, but there's little things that you meet when you do mushrooms.
sam tripoli
No.
joe rogan
They must have had mushrooms.
They had cattle.
sam tripoli
They always had mushrooms.
joe rogan
And they had moisture, right?
They had a lot of moisture.
I know Europe had mushrooms.
Mexico has a lot of mushrooms.
That's where Gordon Wasson, I think his name was, who first started writing about psychedelic mushrooms.
I think it was in Life Magazine.
Gordon Wasson.
Google that.
And he was a guy that like sort of first started describing psychedelic mushroom effects in like modern publications.
This is back before it was illegal.
Mushrooms weren't even made illegal in America until 1970. It was cocaine was for the longest time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seeking the Magic Mushroom is a 1957 photo essay by amateur mycologist Robert Gordon Wasson describing his experiences taking psilocybin mushrooms in 1955 during a Mazatec ritual in, how do you say that?
Oaxaca, Mexico.
unidentified
Oaxaca.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful name.
sam tripoli
Yeah, that is a great name.
It's a dope name.
You want to get weird in Oaxaca.
joe rogan
So did he, didn't, he wrote it in the book, but didn't he do something in Life Magazine?
There was something that was in like a mainstream publication.
Yeah, Life, that's it.
Life Series of Great Adventures by R. Gordon Wasson.
Yeah, there it is.
Okay.
Interesting.
sam tripoli
Mushrooms are life changers, man.
joe rogan
And I think that human beings have been eating them forever.
And I think based on Brian Murrow Rescu's work with that book, The Immortality Key, which I can't recommend enough.
It's a wild book.
sam tripoli
The Immortality Key.
joe rogan
Yeah, you would love it.
sam tripoli
All right, I'll buy it.
joe rogan
It's wild.
sam tripoli
I got a thousand books to read.
I have them all at home.
joe rogan
It's also based on very hard evidence.
They have the vessels that these people drank wine out of, and they found ergot in these vessels.
The Liberty Cap and the Fly Argaric, which is, um, Fly Argaric is, uh, I think it's a type of Amanita muscaria mushroom, grow in Ireland and are both believed to produce visions of fairies and leprechauns.
unidentified
Ding, ding, ding.
joe rogan
We have a winner.
Along with a variety of other world creatures associated with Ireland.
Fairies and mushrooms have always been a big part of Irish culture and are deeply intertwined in culture.
In fact, the Gaelic slang for fairies and mushrooms is the same word. - Yeah.
I'll say that again.
The Gaelic slang for fairies and mushrooms is the same word.
The word is pookies.
Pookies.
That's what we should do, pookies.
sam tripoli
We're going to do pookies.
joe rogan
That's what we're going to call it from now on.
sam tripoli
Isn't that what they call like mad pipes and crack pipes or pookies?
joe rogan
Do they?
sam tripoli
Yeah, I think that's what they call them.
joe rogan
I don't know that.
sam tripoli
See, that's what they always do.
joe rogan
But hold on, before we do that, before we do that, we'll go to that, I promise.
In Ireland, the trip goes...
The trip one goes from magic mushrooms described as going away with the fairies, being off with the pixies.
In pagan times, imba furosni were psychedelic poets.
The poets spoke of eating the red flesh of a pig, dog, or cat, which is believed to be in reference to the fly augeric, because that mushroom is red with white.
It looks like Santa Claus, which is another fucking conspiracy.
sam tripoli
Oh yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
The poets chewed on this red flesh of a pig before lying in a dark room to seek out inspiration.
Yeah.
Bingo.
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
We have a winner.
They were tripper.
sam tripoli
Yep.
You eat mushrooms, go into some cave and just trip balls.
joe rogan
It's all about tripping.
Yeah.
Everybody tripped.
I think that was a giant part of most cultures until the power cultures eradicated it.
And that's the story of the immortality key.
Must be Southern California thing, but pookie means a tweak pipe.
Oh, wow.
Crap.
They're also called crack pipes.
sam tripoli
Wow.
joe rogan
Pookie.
Wow.
That's crazy.
sam tripoli
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
It went from being something that allows you to connect with leprechauns to a crack pipe.
sam tripoli
That's what they always do.
They take it and they invert it, dude, all the time.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's crazy.
sam tripoli
It is crazy, dude.
joe rogan
Or there was like a dude named Pookie who was a fucking crackhead.
sam tripoli
Who just got weird all the time.
joe rogan
He was such a crackhead.
They named the pipe after him.
sam tripoli
A legendary crackhead.
joe rogan
He was the best crackhead ever.
He was the Cheech and Chong of crackheads.
sam tripoli
I don't know in Austin if like...
Ma'am, this is how I know I'm old.
Like, I didn't do my drugs out in the public now.
I mean, dude, you drive around, people smoking meth.
I like to walk around Hollywood and just look for danger, right?
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Just so I could talk about it.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right, you're a crime fighter.
sam tripoli
Yeah, on my podcast, so I could just talk about what I saw.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
So you go to bad places just to walk around?
sam tripoli
Yeah, I'll walk around.
joe rogan
Damn.
sam tripoli
Just to see what I could find.
joe rogan
You're a fucking investigative journalist.
sam tripoli
I am.
I'm a dick joke comic investigative reporter.
And dude, I was on Hollywood Boulevard one day and like Hollywood Boulevard now is like straight out taxi driver, dude.
It's wild.
It's the same kind of, it's really like gritty, gritty, dark energy, man.
unidentified
Dangerous.
sam tripoli
And you just walk around.
joe rogan
And there's still tourists.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tripoli
And they're still touring.
So the tourist company that's in charge of the Hollywood Tourist Board was bragging that Hollywood Boulevard was voted top 100 tourist spots to go to.
But what they never told you, it was number 100 out of the 100 that they were talking about.
joe rogan
What was number 99?
sam tripoli
I have no clue, but it was voted number one.
joe rogan
Paul Revere's house.
sam tripoli
Yeah, something like that.
Dude, you ever hear about what Ben Franklin was?
Okay, that's a different story.
joe rogan
What did he do?
sam tripoli
You never heard that they found in his house?
joe rogan
No.
sam tripoli
Like, tons of bodies, bro!
joe rogan
What?
sam tripoli
Ben Franklin, they found tons of bodies in his- Ben Franklin was a serial killer?
No, he was like doing some weird shit, dude.
unidentified
Body stuff.
joe rogan
Like experimenting with bodies?
sam tripoli
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Is this real?
Everything I say- Was Ben Franklin's basement filled with skeletons?
Repairs on Franklin's old London house turned up 1,200 pieces of bone from at least 15 people.
sam tripoli
Holy shit!
joe rogan
For nearly two decades...
By the way, this is from the Smithsonian.
This is not some wacky conspiracy...
sam tripoli
This ain't SamEEE.com.
joe rogan
For nearly two decades leading up to the signing of the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Franklin lived...
In London, in a house on 36 Craven Street.
In 1776, Franklin left his English home to come back to America.
More than 200 years later, 15 bodies were found in the basement, buried in a secret windowless room beneath the garden.
In 1998, conservationists were doing repairs on 36 Craven, looking to turn Franklin's old haunt into a museum.
From a one-meter-wide, one-meter-deep pit, over 1,200 pieces of bone were retrieved.
Remnants of more than a dozen bodies, said Benjamin Franklin's house.
Six were children.
Forensic investigation showed that the bones dated to Franklin's day.
Holy shit!
The most plausible explanation is not mass murder but an anatomy school run by Benjamin's young friend and protege William Hewson.
Oh, just an anatomy school.
sam tripoli
Yeah, and we're just going to bury them downstairs.
joe rogan
Okay, anatomy was still in its infancy, but the day's social and ethical mores frowned upon it.
A steady supply of human bodies was hard to come by legally, so Houston, Hunter, and Fields' other pioneers had to turn to grave robbing, either paying professional resurrection men to procure cadavers or digging them up themselves to get their hands on either paying professional resurrection men to procure cadavers or digging them Researchers think 36 Craven was an irresistible spot for Houston to establish his own anatomy lab.
The tenant was a trusted friend, and the landlady was his mother-in-law, and he was flanked by convenient sources for corpses.
Bodies could be smuggled from graveyards and delivered to the wharf at one end of the street or snatched from the gallows at the other end.
When he was done with them, Houston simply buried whatever was left of the bodies in the basement rather than sneak them out for disposal elsewhere and risk getting caught and prosecuted for dissection and grave robbing.
Franklin was probably aware of the illegal studies going on in his building, says the Benjamin Franklin House, but it's doubtful that he was involved himself.
Still, we can't imagine that.
Curious man that he was, he didn't sneak down and check out the proceedings at least once or twice.
Of course he did.
Could you imagine if you're my friend and we live together and I say, Sam, what are you up to?
You're like, bro, we got to find out how people work and there's only one way to do it.
We got to look at bodies.
Whoa, how you gonna do that?
We gotta find a place where we can fucking legally or secretly look at bodies.
Well, I've got a basement.
Okay, so what do we do with the bodies?
We'll fucking bury them, bro.
But back then when they were studying medicine, isn't that what they did?
Like all those people that like studied anatomy back then, how did they, if it was illegal to study anatomy, if it was illegal to study bodies, how else would they find out?
How anatomy worked.
sam tripoli
That seems weird, but who knows?
They had weird laws back then, but...
joe rogan
It does seem weird, but it makes sense, right?
Because if they had never studied anatomy before, and then all of a sudden it came along, like, we've got to fuck up your grandpa.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We've got to carve grandpa up like a turkey to find out what makes people tick.
You know?
jamie vernon
So weird note to add in another article about this.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
Franklin's history as a Mason was one of the historian's initial points of inquiry.
Though shrouded in secrecy, Masonic rituals have dark known undercurrents which have at times gone horribly wrong.
For example, in a 2004 initiation ceremony, a new member was accidentally shot by a member who meant to fire an empty gun but instead fired a loaded one.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
They fake shot at each other?
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when historians dug deeper into what was going on in the Franklin home during the years, the bones dated back to, they discovered the real culprit behind the bones is one of William Houston.
They're basically saying the same thing.
sam tripoli
Crazy, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think they all were part of secret groups back then, right?
sam tripoli
So have you ever heard of the special deal that Ben Franklin supposedly was a part of?
And I'd love to hear if you could debunk this because I'd love to know.
joe rogan
A special deal.
sam tripoli
A special deal with basically the royal family of England that they would get a percentage of taxes, of all taxes.
joe rogan
So Benjamin Franklin made a deal that some of the taxes from the United States would go back to England?
sam tripoli
Still, to this day.
jamie vernon
I don't want to debunk that, but I do.
They just put out a special.
Who's that?
Ken Burns?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He made a Ben Franklin special, like maybe three, four episodes.
There was a time period he was going back and forth, which is what this other article was saying, where he lived there.
Whether it was in Germany or England, I don't remember specifically.
He lived there for a long time.
Like his wife, he abandoned his wife like 25, 30 years.
He had a kid, abandoned, never came back.
joe rogan
Benjamin Franklin did?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he was like the American representative living in England.
This was like right after the Revolutionary War.
There's a lot of stuff about taxation representation still going on after the fact.
So there might be some...
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
I'm trying to remember all the stuff about that documentary I just saw.
joe rogan
Maybe they're like, Benjamin, you get 80 people buried in your fucking house.
sam tripoli
How are we going to do this?
joe rogan
Let's make a fucking deal, son.
sam tripoli
We'll blame this kid or we'll blame you.
And then they supposedly that the Queen of England or the...
The royal family gets a percentage of our taxes.
joe rogan
What do you think is going on now that one day some assholes like you and I will be sitting doing a podcast talking about what the government is doing today?
Imagine?
Imagine.
Imagine.
30 years from now.
They're talking about how Nancy Pelosi went to Taiwan and started a war with China.
That we underestimated China's response and that was the initial start of World War III. Imagine if that's what it is.
If this is our Gulf of Tonkin or whatever.
This is our D-Day.
Not D-Day.
This is our...
What's D-Day?
D-Day is the world.
sam tripoli
Pearl Harbor?
joe rogan
Pearl Harbor.
Yeah.
This is the day.
The day that will live in infamy.
This is our day.
It's crazy.
Imagine.
Imagine.
Imagine if that's...
Because history is going to play out, right?
We are not there yet.
Whatever's going to happen hasn't happened.
sam tripoli
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a possibility.
sam tripoli
It is.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy, is that the Chinese government is saying that.
Did you know that...
Chris Williamson said that yesterday, that they had posted on their social media account, prepare for war.
sam tripoli
Yeah, that's what we're using now, social media, is to declare war.
joe rogan
Trump did that.
sam tripoli
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember?
He called Kim Jong-un, little rocket man.
And he's like, our rockets are bigger and better, I promise you.
We have the best rockets.
I'm the best at rockets.
No one loves rockets more than me.
sam tripoli
Yeah, dude.
I mean, she went over there and...
joe rogan
Is she there now?
sam tripoli
Yeah, she landed.
unidentified
She's in Taiwan.
sam tripoli
She landed.
joe rogan
What do you think that's all about?
Is that a dick waving contest?
sam tripoli
Well, it's also like, did...
joe rogan
Imagine if that's how they're trying to get rid of Nancy Pelosi.
They're like, this lady's making too much fucking money.
sam tripoli
It's too obvious.
unidentified
She's over here.
joe rogan
She's fucking up our whole scam.
sam tripoli
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Hey, but Nancy, you know, Taiwan would love for you to visit.
sam tripoli
Hey, we love Taiwan.
Let's go.
joe rogan
Maybe make a deal over there, find out about some chips, you know, bring the husband.
He's really good with numbers.
sam tripoli
And he won't have to drive there.
He can drink all he wants.
joe rogan
Bro, they made more money in the stock market.
They're better at the stock market than George Soros and Warren Buffett.
sam tripoli
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Two guys that that's all they do.
That's their thing.
Warren Buffett, that's his fucking thing.
sam tripoli
I get what she's like hitting at 80% or something.
She's so good.
joe rogan
He's a genius.
He's amazing.
sam tripoli
Just a wine drunk with big shiny tits.
joe rogan
When they asked her whether or not she gave information, she's like, certainly not.
And she pushes the microphone, okay.
Thank you.
sam tripoli
Dude, how long has she been there?
joe rogan
Forever.
sam tripoli
There's a picture of her with JFK at his inauguration.
That's insane to be there that long in power.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
sam tripoli
And it's just like, how do we not have term limits?
Like, that is too long to be there.
joe rogan
She keeps getting voted in.
What's amazing is one of my favorite images of her mock clapping Trump.
sam tripoli
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You don't like this one?
Whatever she's doing here.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Kyle Dunnigan's shit with...
sam tripoli
The funniest dude.
joe rogan
It's the craziest shit of all time.
It's so funny.
sam tripoli
He is so gifted.
joe rogan
So good.
That is so good.
That thing that they do?
Oh my god.
That web series that they do?
sam tripoli
It's him and I think Kurt Metzger.
joe rogan
Kurt Metzger is the fucking man.
He is so funny.
sam tripoli
Yeah, and he's a great writer.
joe rogan
He's so good.
He's so funny.
And the two of them together, the fucking sketches that they put together are so funny.
They're so ruthless.
sam tripoli
And it's just weird that we need those guys to do it on YouTube and we're not seeing Saturday Night Live do it and all these others because that's what should be done.
joe rogan
No one can go that hard unless you're on the internet.
sam tripoli
Right?
It's kind of crazy, but even just a little bit, it just seemed like when, and this is my kind of problem with comedy right now, and I love all comics, but there's a lot of comics who are like my generation who felt like the censorship from the religious right that still can't, that just don't understand that that censorship, yeah, there are crazy religious right people out there, but the censorship is now from the left.
joe rogan
There's a lot of censorship from the left, but if the left lets up, the right will pick it up.
sam tripoli
Well, you already see it.
You remember with the Roe vs.
Wade, you got the crazy people on, this is the end of hookup culture.
You're like, stop it, please.
The guys who are hating against gays while they're sucking trucker dick on the weekends.
joe rogan
Now, the real conspiracy theorists will say that this Roe vs.
Wade thing is to distract us from all the other stuff going on in the world, so that we'll fight over that, because it's such a hot-button topic for America.
People are so divided.
On abortion rights.
It's so important.
It's such a line in the sand for a lot of people, especially women.
A woman's right to choose is such a line in the sand that when they take that away, then people are going to be fighting so hard for that that they're going to ignore all the other shenanigans that are going on.
sam tripoli
Well, I think the biggest problem that the right to choose people messed up on is that so many of them were anti-right to choose when it came to getting the vaccine.
And you see it happen all the time.
My body, my choice.
joe rogan
It's different, they think.
It's different because it involves other people.
Having a pregnancy, as a woman, having autonomy over your body is your choice.
And a man telling you what you can and can't do, which is often the case, is what's so infuriating.
The difference is they thought the vaccine was going to stop the spread of the virus and stop the virus in its tracks.
sam tripoli
Well, it also was a public problem when it really wasn't if you take a look at the actual numbers of people who passed away from it.
It was like a 99% survival rate.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it still is a public problem if you have 100 friends and one of them dies from this fucking thing, especially people that are vulnerable, people with autoimmune diseases, older people, overweight people.
I get their perspective, and I get if it really did stop the spread of the virus that it totally makes sense.
The problem is, once it was recognized that it didn't, they stuck with the same game plan.
Instead of saying, hey, what are the other options?
What are the other things to do?
And how many people exactly are experiencing adverse symptoms and effects from this?
How many people are hospitalized because of it?
What's happening?
Like, really happening?
Instead of pretending that it's all good, Let's look at all of the good it does, and then also what's the bad it does, and let people make informed choices.
That's always been the case with medicine, especially when you're talking about something that may or may not help you, because it may or may not stop the spread.
It may help you if you encounter the virus within a certain period of time, but then, you know, a lot of places are saying if you were vaccinated and boosted a year ago, it doesn't count anymore.
sam tripoli
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Like, they're making you get boosters and more boosters, and even while the effects of the virus have diminished greatly, right?
It's still dangerous to a lot of people, no doubt about it.
But what percentage now?
And what are the numbers?
And can we be accurate about that so we can make an informed decision?
That's why people get upset, because they don't feel like they're able to make their own decisions about these kinds of things.
sam tripoli
But do you believe there was a manipulation of the numbers to make it presented as something?
So it all kicks off with these videos of Chinese people falling backwards, right?
They're like, oh, my God, this thing's going on in China.
And it's presented on the news as this crazy thing going on.
And even though we never saw it until when, vaccines hit.
And you see the comedian, what's-her-face in...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
sam tripoli
She just falls right back.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's certain people that, and Dr. Drew's talked about this, from the booster do have, and maybe even from the second shot, do have an adverse event.
I know people that have had it.
The question is, how many?
The question is also, when you're mass-vaccinating, right, when you're giving a medication to...
300 million people just in this country alone, right?
Or whatever it is, 260 million people, you're going to absolutely have some adverse effects.
The question is, is it worth it to risk that because the benefit is overall good?
That's where people should be making logical debates and logical conversations about it.
The problem is people get scared.
And when people get scared and they think that some people aren't doing the right thing when they did the right thing, then they get angry and emotional and then they start believing things that turn out to not necessarily be true because some of these people that have put out these results and studies, they have skewed the data.
And this has been proven, right?
This is just humans.
This is humans, and just because it lines up with what they thought the pandemic was going to be, that's because that was their game plan to what to do if something went down.
It doesn't mean they planned it.
I don't think they would have...
I mean, so many fucking powerful, important people died, man.
A lot of fucking people that were like...
You would think they were at the top of the food chain in terms of resources and knowledge and influence.
A lot of those fucking people died from COVID. I got COVID. COVID is fucking real.
It's fucking real.
But it's just, it's not good.
I'm not trying to diminish COVID. But I'm saying it's not the same for everybody.
That's a fact.
And taking into account different people, particularly children's immune systems and their responses to it.
I think, you know, we as a society, always when something goes down and it's scary, we have like sides that we pick, we have positions that we take, and we stand by them, and we defend them even when more data keeps coming out that shows you that it wasn't exactly accurate.
sam tripoli
So I always think, dude, this is my opinion, that, you know, you'll have the trust authority side, and then you'll have the conspiracy side.
And never is it one completely way or the other.
But for me, I think it tends to more lean towards the conspiracy side more often than not.
Now, not saying that's completely...
But it leans towards the conspiracy side more times than not.
Because, to be honest with you, Joe, I've been saying the same thing today that I'm saying when this whole thing came out.
So that's the only reason I go, there's nothing that's happened to me that has changed the way I look at this thing.
It just always is the same people that get the more the money, the more the power, the more...
And then you discuss, like, is this a move to get us into some kind of, like...
Thing on our phone where we have to have a vaccine pass on our phone and all that stuff.
And you can't go a certain place unless you got this vaccine pass and what that represents.
joe rogan
That's what scares people.
sam tripoli
And contact tracing and all that stuff that we start seeing that's happening in China.
Now, I don't know everything that's truthful that comes out of China because there's a military industrial complex.
joe rogan
Well, they definitely have that.
They definitely have that.
They definitely have a social credit system.
And, you know, that's been documented.
It's also been documented that people that didn't have enough points or did the wrong thing or said the wrong thing or whatever, they weren't allowed to travel.
They weren't allowed to purchase certain things.
There's parts of the world right now where you have to show your ID in order to get gas.
Like you have to- Sri Lanka.
Yeah, you have to scan your number to see if you're allowed to get gas.
sam tripoli
I mean, what happened in Canada with the truckers where they shut down people's bank accounts because they were associated with- Scary shit.
That's been something people have been talking about that is the scary part of moving to crypto, right?
joe rogan
Did they give them their money back?
Did they give the truckers in Canada their bank accounts back?
Whatever happened with that?
That's an interesting question, right?
sam tripoli
It's scary, man.
They took away their access to their funds to try to encourage them to quit Or somebody just, one woman just sent like a hundred bucks to it and the government shut down her bank account and didn't allow her to get into her bank.
That to me is super scary.
joe rogan
Canada unlocks vast majority of bank accounts frozen over support for trucker convoy.
So they unlocked the vast majority, but they kept some locked down.
sam tripoli
Do you think Trudeau's Castro's kid?
joe rogan
Boy, he looks like it, doesn't he?
sam tripoli
They have the exact same thing.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
That's the wildest conspiracy ever.
sam tripoli
You see that.
joe rogan
Is there a timeline where that actually makes sense, where his mom met Castro?
sam tripoli
I have an episode I did called Cuckapalooza, right?
It's basically all of these offsprings that don't look like their fathers, but they look like friends of the family.
And I have this whole theory that they all just like, everybody hooks up and it's hot potato.
Oh yeah, with Frank Sinatra.
joe rogan
Frank Sinatra looks exactly like him.
Here, Trudeau was born a little more than nine months after the marriage of his parents and more than four years before Margaret made a much-publicized trip to Cuba.
So that doesn't make sense.
Margaret was 22 when she married the 51-year-old Prime Minister and was a subject of intense media scrutiny.
I like that.
sam tripoli
Yeah, good for him.
joe rogan
Good for him.
unidentified
You go, boy.
joe rogan
Sort of.
Okay.
Subject of intense media scrutiny.
Back then that was normal though, right?
Experts say it would have been impossible for an earlier visit to Cuba to go unnoticed.
Experts say, as long as they say, Cuban media have been unusually open about the death of Castro's oldest son, Fidelito, describing it as a suicide after a long depression.
Neither state media nor independent reporters covering the death have reported the existence of a suicide note.
Okay, but that's just, we're going into a weird area here.
unidentified
But do me a favor, just for funsies.
jamie vernon
That's why it came out, because supposedly a suicide note said that.
joe rogan
Oh, the suicide note, but supposedly there's no suicide note.
sam tripoli
But look at their faces, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I wanted to do.
Okay, February 1, suicide of Castro's oldest son, Fidelito, spurred the most recent reports on several sites claiming that Fidelito left a suicide note referring to Justin Trudeau as his half-brother.
The theory was that Castro was Trudeau's father, was also shared wildly on social media.
Okay, just for funsies, and this is just funsies, let's Google.
Look at the two of them together.
sam tripoli
No, there's some that I like.
joe rogan
There's like multiple photos.
sam tripoli
Oh, right down there.
See that?
Six pictures right there?
There it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
That's wild.
That is wild.
That is fucking wild.
When you look at those, look at all of them.
The top.
Oh my god, look at the top one.
Bro, that is wild.
sam tripoli
But then you compare them to who they say is his father.
And he doesn't look anything like his dad.
joe rogan
But that is wild.
Hey, bro, you need a 23andMe right away, sir.
We need a, you know, it's wild how close he looks.
If it's not his dad, boy, if I was the father, I'd be fucking suspicious as shit.
Where's his real dad?
jamie vernon
I think that's what this is.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Well, let me say, hold on.
Okay, but his real dad, he looks like his real dad, too.
Yeah, he looks a lot like his real dad, dude.
A lot.
Okay, I give up.
It's just coincidence.
It looks a lot like his real dad, dude.
Have you ever looked into- Hold on, go back to that.
Go back to that.
Don't take that away.
Go to the top one.
That looks a lot like him, man.
He looks a lot like his real dad.
A lot.
sam tripoli
A lot.
unidentified
Don't fuck it.
sam tripoli
They're both men.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Look at the nose.
The shape.
That's not ridiculous at all.
He looks a lot like him, man.
A lot.
It's just a theory.
It's just fun.
unidentified
It's fun!
sam tripoli
Hey man, we're just having fun.
joe rogan
Because looking at it right there, he looks a lot like his dad.
sam tripoli
Have you ever seen like Prince...
Obviously we had the Frank Sinatra one, but...
joe rogan
Stop spreading the news.
That's the best one.
sam tripoli
Yeah, how about the...
joe rogan
That's Woody Allen's kid?
Fuck you.
sam tripoli
No, not even close.
unidentified
Fuck you.
sam tripoli
Not even close.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
sam tripoli
Have you ever looked into the Woody Allen case?
Dude, it's super...
joe rogan
Let's end this.
sam tripoli
Okay.
joe rogan
How long are we going?
Four hours?
jamie vernon
I'm getting close.
sam tripoli
Don't go too deep.
joe rogan
No, it's not that.
We've got a show in two hours.
sam tripoli
I've got to eat dinner.
I love you, buddy.
Hope it wasn't too weird.
joe rogan
It was awesome.
We've got to do this more often.
sam tripoli
Anytime.
I love you very much.
joe rogan
I miss the whole crew.
Thank you for everything.
You're the fucking man.
I appreciate you very much.
You're a fun dude.
sam tripoli
Thank you, dude.
joe rogan
And we've had fun gigging in the past, and we're going to do it tonight.
sam tripoli
I'm so excited to be back with the boys.
joe rogan
Bro, we haven't done a show together in fucking...
A few years now.
sam tripoli
Years, dude.
joe rogan
Yes, my friend.
sam tripoli
Love you, bud.
joe rogan
Love you, too.
Social media, tell everybody all your podcasts.
sam tripoli
I have seven, but...
joe rogan
You have really seven podcasts?
sam tripoli
I have seven podcasts.
Oh, my God.
Listen, it's either I could talk to myself...
Or just throw a camera and a microphone in front of me.
Timfall hat.
Broken Sim is my Grand Theft Auto one where I go around and I just look for danger and tell you what I see.
My spiritual podcast is called Zero.
I got a show with...
My good friend Brian Callen called Conspiracy Social Club.
Cash Daddies is my financial one.
And Punch Drunk Sports.
Just go to Fat Dragon Pro on Twitter or Sam Tripoli.
Everywhere else, go to samtripoli.com for all my dates.
I'm in San Francisco this weekend.
joe rogan
And he's a hilarious comic, too.
Very funny dude.
unidentified
I love you, man.
sam tripoli
I love you, buddy, so much.
joe rogan
Good night, everyone.
sam tripoli
I love you, too.
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