June 22, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| So, first of all, thanks for being here. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Great to see you again. | ||
| Thanks for having me, yeah. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| I watched Idiocracy this morning. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Dude, it fucking holds up. | ||
| It holds up. | ||
| Does it? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| It's nice to hear. | ||
| I never saw the whole thing before. | ||
| It was one of those movies that I just, for whatever reason, I just never saw the whole thing. | ||
| It was just... | ||
| Well, it kind of... | ||
| Yeah, it didn't have much of a release, so... | ||
| It didn't? | ||
| No, it was... | ||
| I mean, to be fair, it was a weird movie. | ||
| It was hard to mark it. | ||
| It's a funny fucking movie, man. | ||
| Oh, thanks. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| I mean, I watched it in the gym while I was working out. | ||
| I was cracking up. | ||
| Oh, nice to hear. | ||
| It was really good. | ||
| It was surprisingly funny. | ||
| There was some great stuff about it. | ||
| When... | ||
| It shows the very smart couple that's holding off and having children and the dumb people keep fucking. | ||
| I feel like I really made the whole movie just to make that sequence. | ||
| That was one of those rare times. | ||
| Patrick and Darlene, the two actors. | ||
| It was the only time I think this has ever happened. | ||
| I think they were auditioning them in pairs. | ||
| They auditioned and I kind of looked at like two or three more people and then said, okay, let's just cast them. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| That guy was so good. | ||
| Patrick Fisher, yeah. | ||
| It was such a good movie, man. | ||
| Oh, thanks. | ||
| And it's so interesting, like looking at the world in 2022, it's like the only thing you missed was social media. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I keep thinking about all the stuff I missed. | ||
| I... Yeah, I feel that movie was, I feel like it was cursed to begin with. | ||
| Everything that went wrong went wrong. | ||
| Everything that could go wrong went wrong. | ||
| And it was so many things. | ||
| Like, we shot it here in Austin. | ||
| It's supposed to take place in a drought, and it was like the rainiest summer. | ||
| We had to keep killing grass, which feels really awful to do. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You put a giant piece of tarp and cardboard over it for two nights or something. | ||
| But then sometimes I have to put gasoline on it or something. | ||
| It just feels horrible to kill grass. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| And then I feel like the curse of the movie kind of just spread out into the world or something. | ||
| But I was just thinking about this because I can't – I have a hard time watching it because it just brings back so many stressful memories. | ||
| Because it was difficult to make? | ||
| Yeah, just we were, you know, barely, had an impossible schedule. | ||
| And then in post, you know, they just cut, we had a bad test screening and they just cut the effects budget down. | ||
| But, I mean, you know, they did pay for the movie to get made, so I appreciate it. | ||
| But, yeah, I was just thinking that, so there was the wardrobe scene. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Costume designer is the official title. | ||
| She had a limited budget also. | ||
| And for the shoes – so we shot it in 2004. She goes – she tells me, OK, there's a startup. | ||
| And it was Crocs. | ||
| But they weren't out in the world yet. | ||
| But it was a small company. | ||
| And she goes, look at these. | ||
| They're these horrible plastic shoes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She said, we could really save a lot of money, just put everyone in these things. | ||
| And then I said, well, what if – but what if by the time the movie comes out, what if everyone's – what if these become popular and people are wearing them? | ||
| She said, oh, these are never going to become popular. | ||
| No one would ever wear these things. | ||
| They're horrible. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| But then it took two years for the movie to come out. | ||
| Then everyone's – but then people are going like, oh, that's pretty funny that you put everyone in Crocs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They did kind of become popular, right? | ||
| Yeah, and they're not around much anymore, but they were really popular. | ||
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They're really popular right now. | |
| Are they back? | ||
| They came back in the last two years all of a sudden. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Who's wearing them? | ||
| Post Malone had a deal with them. | ||
| I think Justin Bieber did too. | ||
| People are putting pins on them and stuff. | ||
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They're very popular right now. | |
| Pins? | ||
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Yeah, like little pins. | |
| Oh, like shirt pins? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I should stop talking shit. | ||
| I know people wear them, a lot of guys wear them, like, in camps. | ||
| You bring them to camp, like, they're camp shoes. | ||
| They wear Crocs around camp because they're light. | ||
| You know, if you're wearing, like, hiking boots all day and then you're camping, you wear Crocs at night when you're hanging around the campfire. | ||
| Oh, so this is a new thing? | ||
| I've only seen it popping up recently. | ||
| I'd heard they were in bankruptcy like five years ago or something. | ||
| Maybe I heard wrong. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Maybe they were. | ||
| Maybe somebody came in with funding. | ||
| Took a distressed property and... | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I was always confused. | ||
| Like, there's so many options for shoes. | ||
| Why would you ever buy those? | ||
| There's all kinds of slippers you could have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no need for those. | ||
| I don't get them for camping, though. | ||
| You're going to get, like, ticks all over your... | ||
| No, I think the idea is... | ||
| Do you put socks on? | ||
| Like, hunters wear them. | ||
| So, like, when you're in the woods and you're hiking, you're wearing these, like, very kind of rigid hiking boots. | ||
| And then when you're just around the campfire, they wear these little Crocs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because they weigh nothing. | ||
| You know, they're very light. | ||
| Yeah, they are light, yeah. | ||
| And they provide you with protection from sticks and shit. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And they wear them, like, you know, over socks. | ||
| I see. | ||
| So, they're horrific looking. | ||
| They don't look good. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| That's why I wanted them in the movie. | ||
| What the fuck is this? | ||
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These are $600 Crocs. | |
| These are fashion Crocs. | ||
| Cut the fucking shit. | ||
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I thought they were fake. | |
| They are not fake. | ||
| Those are real? | ||
| These are real. | ||
| $600 Crocs with some kind of a heel. | ||
| What does the bottom of that heel look like? | ||
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Is it a peg? | |
| Like a peg. | ||
| Like a nail. | ||
| It's like a nail is going through. | ||
| That is so strange. | ||
| You know what I don't get? | ||
| The strap. | ||
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What's the story with the strap on the top of the foot? | |
| Sport mode. | ||
| Do they all have straps? | ||
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When you need to run, you need to do some action. | |
| You ain't doing shit in those things. | ||
| Put it around your heel so it doesn't fall off. | ||
| Wait, $600? | ||
| Is that how much? | ||
| Yeah, they're real. | ||
| $600. | ||
| That's how dumb people are. | ||
| Put that in your new movie. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I wish I could remake that. | ||
| What would you do different? | ||
| Well, like you said, I probably would have had more staring at phones and stuff. | ||
| Nobody saw that coming, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is wild, right? | ||
| Because you filmed it. | ||
| It was released in, what, 2005? | ||
| 2006. We filmed it in 2004, yeah. | ||
| So if you think about phones, back then it was all flip phones. | ||
| Yeah, they were starting to come out with a Nokia. | ||
| But yeah, the iPhone I don't think was there. | ||
| That was seven. | ||
| Yeah, it was about to come out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And even then, everybody thought that was kind of like a novelty. | ||
| Nobody ever thought it would be like almost a requirement for life. | ||
| Yeah, and also I wrote it in – I started writing it in 2001 and then it's writer Eitan Cohen. | ||
| I wrote a draft with him. | ||
| I wrote an outline and then – so that was like 2002 I think or 2003 that we wrote it. | ||
| So it was like pretty far away from all this stuff happening. | ||
| That's the only thing you missed though. | ||
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I mean the dumbing down of people you nailed. | |
| Yeah, I was sort of... | ||
| I was thinking of it like... | ||
| So I had the idea in the 90s, but I remember when... | ||
| In 2001, in the summer... | ||
| Well, it was the year 2001. I'd seen the movie 2001 again and thought, wouldn't that have been funny if that movie, instead of everything being pristine, advanced civilization, it was like... | ||
| Giant Walmarts and the Jerry Springer show, and what if that movie made in the 70s was actually that accurate? | ||
| And I just kind of thought of a graph of everything from whenever that movie was made, like 71, to the year that it was, 2001, if you just kept that progression going, and just more crass, foul language in the mainstream, more just everybody getting dumber and dumber, and just advertising everywhere. | ||
| I don't know, it was just... | ||
| I also wrote it. | ||
| I owed Fox a screenplay and I pitched two or three different things and they said, oh, that's the commercial one. | ||
| That's one you should make. | ||
| I didn't think they would make it. | ||
| It was fun to write. | ||
| Why didn't you think they would make it? | ||
| It just seemed too weird. | ||
| But they saw it – anything in the future sounds fun and like a big broad comedy. | ||
| But yeah, then they – it just – it was more fun to write than it was to make. | ||
| I mean nothing against anybody involved. | ||
| It was just like a very difficult schedule and all. | ||
| A lot of stuff went wrong. | ||
| It had 65 speaking parts in it, which you don't even – when you're writing, you say, oh, and then there's this – and it's like, oh, yeah, you have to cast every one of those people. | ||
| Well, it's still funny. | ||
| It's still funny. | ||
| It really, really holds up. | ||
| It's excellent. | ||
| Well, thanks. | ||
| I remember moving to LA in 1994, and I got a... | ||
| I think someone I knew at MTV hooked me up, and they gave me a VHS tape of all the Beavis and Butthead episodes, and I didn't have cable hooked up yet. | ||
| So my TV was hooked up, but cable wasn't hooked up yet, and so I was watching VHS tapes of Beavis and Butthead, and I remember me and this girl that I was dating at the time laughing our fucking ass off. | ||
| I didn't even have furniture. | ||
| I just had a big TV, and we were sitting on the carpeted floor just crying laughing at Corn Julio. | ||
| Oh, okay, so you got to the good ones then. | ||
| Yeah, by that season, we started to find our stride. | ||
| Yeah, that was fun to do. | ||
| Wait, were you doing a... | ||
| Did you have a gig at MTV? No, well, I did at one point in time. | ||
| I did MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, and then I auditioned for another show at MTV. And the negotiations of that actually wound me getting up on a Fox show called Hardball, which got cancelled, then I got news radio. | ||
| So that was how I moved to LA. But I was still in contact with someone at MTV and they hooked me up. | ||
| Yeah, I thought I remembered some MTV association with you. | ||
| Yeah, that was what it was. | ||
| They were trying to do a thing with me, but MTV was insanely cheap back then. | ||
| I think they wanted to give me $500 for a pilot, and if the pilot went, I would be exclusive to them for several years. | ||
| They would own me for several years exclusively for $500, which is hilarious. | ||
| Well, I think the way Dan Cortez got out of his deal, I don't know this for sure. | ||
| Whatever happened to that guy? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| But he – but they had a deal with him that actually violated labor laws. | ||
| It was so – like it might have been the same thing you're talking about where it's actually – might have even been slavery laws. | ||
| Yeah, they were really egregious. | ||
| They just would – Well, you know why they did that? | ||
| They did that because they created a few stars. | ||
| They became huge stars, and they felt like those stars left, and they made these people stars, but they didn't profit off of it. | ||
| So Dennis Leary was one of them, and Pauly Shore was another one. | ||
| Like, you know, they had Totally Pauly. | ||
| Yeah, he got away pretty well. | ||
| So he did Totally Pauly, and then Totally Pauly, he left that and wound up doing all these big movies. | ||
| And then Leary was sort of the same thing. | ||
| You know, he did those little snippets where he would, like, rant to the camera. | ||
| Yeah, those were really good. | ||
| Those were popular. | ||
| And he was on Remote Control, too. | ||
| Remember Remote Control? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember seeing him on, I think, Comedy... | ||
| Well, it was called the Comedy Channel. | ||
| And then it was about... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I think that was their overcorrection. | ||
| Their overcorrection from losing guys like Pauly Shore was to create something where they, you know... | ||
| Yeah, they overcorrected. | ||
| Overcorrected on me. | ||
| I forgot about that Dan Cortez guy. | ||
| That show was great. | ||
| MTV Sports. | ||
| MTV Sports, yeah. | ||
| He was a huge star for a while. | ||
| Yeah, what the fuck? | ||
| I don't know what happened to him. | ||
| How does that happen? | ||
| Where a guy just is everywhere and then... | ||
| Yeah, he was like the heartthrob. | ||
| It seems like it... | ||
| Yeah, he was... | ||
| I don't know when it fell off, like 95 or something? | ||
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He just... | |
| I don't know, maybe... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At some point he just disappeared. | ||
| I don't know what he does now. | ||
| I wonder what he does now. | ||
| Maybe he's got some great gig. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Find him. | ||
| Where's Dan Cortez? | ||
| I found his Instagram. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| He's hanging out. | ||
| Where's he at? | ||
| Let me see what he's at. | ||
| Is it Cortez with a... | ||
| There he is. | ||
| With an S. Just seems like a normal guy now. | ||
| Dude, hanging out. | ||
| Posting old stuff. | ||
| Oh, Bill Murray. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I wonder how you become that guy. | ||
| What was his... | ||
| How you become Dan Cortez? | ||
| I think he was working on a set or something like that. | ||
| And then someone had the idea to put him on the show. | ||
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He started acting after that. | |
| Well, I hope he's having fun. | ||
| So how did you guys wind up with Beavis and Butthead there? | ||
| So I was making these animated shorts in my house. | ||
| And... | ||
| Just mailing out VHS tapes of them. | ||
| And there was a show called Liquid Television. | ||
| Well, I had gotten... | ||
| I made three shorts before. | ||
| Beavis and Butted was the fourth one I'd made. | ||
| And the first three had gotten... | ||
| Like, the first one I made was on a show on comedy... | ||
| It was called the Comedy Channel. | ||
| Night After Night with Alan Havey. | ||
| Oh, I remember Alan Habe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I'd gotten in some animation festivals. | ||
| And so people were starting... | ||
| There was a show called Liquid Television on MTV that was on Sunday nights. | ||
| And they would license animated shorts. | ||
| So I got like three or four of mine on there. | ||
| It all happened very quickly. | ||
| Like I had... | ||
| They asked me to send my first three, and I said, I have a new one, and it was Beavis and Butthead. | ||
| So it got on that show. | ||
| And then there was a long, weird, cryptic negotiation where they said they want to buy it, and I said, what for? | ||
| And then I negotiated. | ||
| It was Colossal Pictures, liquid television. | ||
| And then finally they said, it's over. | ||
| Oh, it was a long, ugly show. | ||
| And then finally MTV came to me directly. | ||
| I still didn't know what they were going to do with it. | ||
| I thought those little station IDs or something. | ||
| I was elated. | ||
| I was like, this is amazing. | ||
| I'm just making these things in my house outside of Dallas and it's going to be on MTV. That's amazing. | ||
| And then I sold it. | ||
| I sold the whole thing to him for something like $18,000. | ||
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Really? | |
| The whole property? | ||
| Everything? | ||
| Yeah, I mean I retained something that you'd never see any money from. | ||
| But I was able to get it back later, years later. | ||
| How did you do that? | ||
| Just because they needed me to do it and I just, you know. | ||
| But it was, yeah, I sold it. | ||
| But this was after months of negotiating. | ||
| And I'm like, well, it takes me, I was animating everything by myself. | ||
| It would take me like six to eight weeks to make two minutes. | ||
| And after two Beavis and Butt-Head shorts, I was kind of out of ideas anyway. | ||
| So I thought like, okay, I'll just – this will be my admission fee to show business. | ||
| I'll just sell this off just to meet people and have them know about me and – I went to different lawyers and there was this mob lawyer in Dallas who was just like, don't sign it! | ||
| I said, well, then I just don't do this? | ||
| I mean, I don't regret it because I think they were ready to walk away. | ||
| It had been months, like five or six months, which I guess in show business isn't that long of a negotiation all the time. | ||
| But Yeah, and then they flew me up there and then they started talking about we're going to do 65 episodes and I was saying, okay, am I going to be involved? | ||
| And they said, of course, it's your baby. | ||
| But they didn't say any of that until they already owned it. | ||
| They didn't want to – maybe it was part of the whole Pauly Shore of it all and those people that had gotten out of there. | ||
| They did. | ||
| Their lawyer had all the bad intentions of a good lawyer, but she wasn't all that great and didn't know animation. | ||
| So there were some big holes in the contract that I was able to exploit later. | ||
| Yeah, she thought that I was going to be doing the entire, all the animation myself, so there was like a per minute fee that was like three seasons in. | ||
| I got, still my manager, Michael Rotenberg, who's also a lawyer, said, hey, this thing says they owe you a ton of money. | ||
| So yeah, we had, we were able to, I was able to get it back, and now I own it like 50-50 with them, so... | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That was after the movie, and they wanted a sequel and all that stuff. | ||
| And so this movie that you got coming out, when did this start getting developed? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| I had the idea for it a long time ago. | ||
| It was really about three years ago. | ||
| And then right before the lockdown, because it was Friday the 13th, March 2020, I had lunch with... | ||
| The Chris McCarthy and Kyes Hill-Edgart, the Paramount Plus guys, and just sealed the deal right then and then made the entire movie with everyone on Zoom and every cast. | ||
| So when you pitch a movie, like a Beavis and Butthead movie, are you pitching, are you just saying, look, I want to do a Beavis and Butthead movie? | ||
| Are you saying this is what happens with Beavis and Butthead? | ||
| Like, what's the process? | ||
| Well, with this one, with the sequel, they've been wanting a sequel for years, and I've pitched different, usually... | ||
| When did you make the first one? | ||
| First one came out in 96. So it was like a couple years? | ||
| So the show, the short first aired in 92. The series started in March of 93. So the show had been on a while before the movie came out, like three years. | ||
| They wanted it sooner. | ||
| And when did you stop doing the television show? | ||
| Fall of 98. Oh, wow. | ||
| So it was off for a while. | ||
| But yeah, I usually write an outline. | ||
| I think that's... | ||
| I pitched... | ||
| I don't think I pitched either of them. | ||
| I think I just started writing outlines. | ||
| Well, for the first one. | ||
| And for this one, too. | ||
| And there was almost a sequel... | ||
| I mean, sorry, in 2001. And then they violated another contract with me and I got really pissed and said, no movie. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, now I don't know what MTV even is. | ||
| Is it still there? | ||
| Yeah, the beginning of the movie, they have a whole thing with the astronaut and the flag. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So MTV is now mostly that, like, Rob Drydeck show, right? | ||
| That's basically the whole channel. | ||
| Oh, I don't even... | ||
| Like, every now and then a show comes along that's a hit. | ||
| Like, it was like, after Beavis, I don't know, it was like Tom Green, then Jackass, then Jersey Shore. | ||
| Like, there's always a show that... | ||
| Jackass started at MTV? Yeah. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That came along and saved them for a while. | ||
| Of course, Tom Green. | ||
| What was the... | ||
| Well, Jersey Shore was huge. | ||
| Was that MTV2? Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so they fucking gave up on music videos. | ||
| Oh, completely. | ||
| That's what it used to be. | ||
| It was the music video channel. | ||
| We would go there to watch... | ||
| Do you remember when they released Michael Jackson's Thriller? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And it was like the release of a movie. | ||
| Like, everybody watched it. | ||
| I want to know, like, how many people watched Michael Jackson's thriller the day it came out? | ||
| Because I want to say I was in high school at the time. | ||
| It was somewhere around that range. | ||
| And it was a thing that everybody was talking about. | ||
| Like, you have to watch it. | ||
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It was huge. | |
| And it was... | ||
| I remember being at an amusement park. | ||
| And seeing a guy who's just dressed up and had the hair of Michael Jackson and girls screaming, even knowing it wasn't Michael Jackson. | ||
| Just the way he looked. | ||
| Yeah, just that a guy looked like that. | ||
| Well, you had to have cable to watch it, right? | ||
| I don't think they wouldn't. | ||
| And then they played it on regular TV eventually, but it was so huge. | ||
| It was so huge it's hard to imagine. | ||
| I remember going over someone's house to watch it, yeah. | ||
| Because there wasn't that many channels back then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when something was on that was a big deal, everybody watched it. | ||
| So a good hit television show today, I don't know how many millions of views it gets, but it's not a lot. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It used to be... | ||
| Yeah, the numbers are way down. | ||
| When you had a network hit show, you'd get... | ||
| 10 to 20 million. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big show like Seinfeld or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Friends. | ||
| Yeah, they got shit tons of people watching them, which that just doesn't happen anymore now. | ||
| It has to be like the Super Bowl for something like that now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was a while where American Idol, I think, was getting those numbers, but I don't think anything any scripted show does. | ||
| But that was a big thing for MTV, was these videos that they would have. | ||
| And they would have video premieres. | ||
| So they'd have a premiere, you know? | ||
| Like David Bowie, video premiere. | ||
| And everybody would be like, oh, gotta be there for the premiere. | ||
| And there was no DVRs back then either. | ||
| So either you VCR'd it, either you recorded it, which most people didn't. | ||
| If you were a real wizard, you knew how to program your VCR. Yeah. | ||
| Remember those days? | ||
| Yeah, I briefly knew how to do that, but sometimes I'd just get a really long one and just leave it turned on right before. | ||
| Yeah, you'd do that, right? | ||
| Yeah, you'd do low resolution, like a six-hour recording. | ||
| If you unplugged them, the clock would go off. | ||
| You'd have to reset it. | ||
| Yep, everybody's clock was always flashing. | ||
| You'd go over to people's houses, the clock in the VCR was always flashing. | ||
| That was one of the gags I wanted to have in Idiocracy. | ||
| I don't think we did. | ||
| It's just that everywhere you see just 12. I wanted a big clock tower like Big Ben with just a 12. I don't know if I... I haven't even looked if that's even in there. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| When you make a movie like that and you're done, like, what is the feeling like? | ||
| Is it like, did we do enough? | ||
| Is it what you wanted? | ||
| Because I've got to imagine, like, vision and then execution and then when it's over, like, what does it feel like? | ||
| It's a very strange mixed feeling. | ||
| It's like, you know, like, the first one I did was a Beavis and Butt-Head movie and I... I remember when your whole life, like however many hours a day, is just fucking with it and editing it and making it in a sound mix and everything. | ||
| And I think the last final thing was the final mix. | ||
| And I remember walking out of that place just... | ||
| I should feel happy. | ||
| It's finally done, but it's just that, like, icky, like, oh, shit, I missed something. | ||
| It's a really weird feeling, and sometimes it's better than others. | ||
| Sometimes it's sick to your stomach. | ||
| But... | ||
| Yeah, it's always – that's the other reason I think I don't always like to watch something after it's done because I'm going to go, oh shit, I should have changed that or done that better. | ||
| But yeah, it's a very odd feeling. | ||
| I mean it's good to be done but so many – it's just like icky. | ||
| Well, it just seems like it's such an enormous amount of time of your life gets put into it, and it's got to be hard to see what it actually looks like. | ||
| Because you're going over the minutia of it, you're editing it, you wrote the lines, you edited them, you watched people do it, cut, let's take two, take three. | ||
| Yeah, you've seen a hundred people audition for each part. | ||
| You've heard the dialogue over and over again. | ||
| You don't know if it's funny anymore, you can't tell, you can't... | ||
| And also all those hours you're spending on it are to change things. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| You're just constantly tweaking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so to say it's done, you get – what it is, it's like a feeling of withdrawal really. | ||
| Like it's sort of a – even if you're really happy with it, it's like – it's sort of like you're just so used to doing that and to stop suddenly is just a – you kind of want to do it more. | ||
| You just want to go back and keep editing. | ||
| I mean I like editing and it's fun to do. | ||
| But finishing editing is the hard part. | ||
| Yeah, to just let it go and, you know, not know if... | ||
| If you have a good test screening, that helps, but you don't always do that. | ||
| Like with a TV show, you don't... | ||
| Just like whoever's in the... | ||
| And if the sound mixers don't think it's funny, if people working on it aren't laughing... | ||
| And with animation, like especially when I was doing the shorts, like the first short I did... | ||
| You record the sound first, and I remember thinking, okay, that's a pretty funny take. | ||
| I think I got something good here. | ||
| But then you have to, the way I read the track, with a stopwatch, you'd find every syllable and put it on exposure sheets. | ||
| So you're listening to it about two or three times as many syllables as there are in it, just before you even start drawing. | ||
| And so by the time you're done, you have no idea if it's funny. | ||
| I would just have to keep remembering there was a time when I knew this was funny. | ||
| And just keep going back to that. | ||
| Do you ever, like, take a few days off and then try to watch it fresh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that helps if you can afford to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've gotten more used to, I don't know, just trusting if there was ever a moment where something was good, interesting, or funny and... | ||
| If it doesn't seem like it now, just knowing, okay, that did hit me that way at one point, there must be something to it. | ||
| Dude, I laughed so hard today watching the chart of the people and all the babies that they had. | ||
| For whatever reason, that scene killed me. | ||
| And then the smash cut to the intelligent people that still weren't having kids and still putting around. | ||
| And then they start bickering about whose fault it is as they're getting older. | ||
| Yeah, we can't have a child now. | ||
| Not with the market the way it is. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| It's so funny. | ||
| Because that's real. | ||
| Elon Musk warns about that all the time. | ||
| He's like, we are in a very dangerous moment where people don't realize that they're not having enough children. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Now it's sort of... | ||
| Melinda Gates had written something about this, or maybe I read a quote about it. | ||
| As countries go from third world to first world, I guess they don't have kids as much. | ||
| Well, women have careers, and they don't want to have children as often. | ||
| And they also don't need children to help them with the family business. | ||
| So it's not like... | ||
| In some countries, people are having children because they need a workforce. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I had a... | ||
| We were at some point making that movie. | ||
| I mean, a lot of the people playing dumbasses were just my friends. | ||
| Like, I have a lot of dumb-looking friends, I guess. | ||
| But... | ||
| At some point, we were location scouting this place, and it was, I guess it was a reform school of some kind, like a juvenile delinquent, something or other. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're not allowed to call them reform schools anymore. | ||
| You're not? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was called, like, the Institute of Technological, and it had, like, some fancy names, kind of down by, you know, maybe I won't dox the place. | ||
| It was outside of Austin, just outside of Austin, but I didn't know what it was, and I thought, I was just looking around saying, oh, these people would be good extras, like, when we're... | ||
| You know, and we had a couple scenes with, I don't know, 250 extras, and one was that ass movie, which we actually had to shoot the ass. | ||
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How much footage did you get of that guy's ass? | |
| Too much. | ||
| But I wanted just a nondescript ass, by the way. | ||
| I had to look at Polaroids. | ||
| A crazy thing happened actually. | ||
| So the dude is like, okay, let's get this over with. | ||
| We just like set up the camera, shoot the guy's ass. | ||
| And my cinematographer and I are just kind of going, okay, that's good. | ||
| Let's just – I know we shot like 10 minutes probably. | ||
| But anyway, the – Years later, the guy... | ||
| I'm introduced to this guy and his fiancée, and I'm looking at him and I go, oh, hey, um... | ||
| And he kind of looks at me like, uh-uh, uh-uh. | ||
| And I realize who it is and I go, oh, because I started to say, I think I've met you. | ||
| And then later he goes, yeah, she doesn't know. | ||
| Why would she care? | ||
| I think she does now. | ||
| That's a bad start to a relationship. | ||
| If you're about to get married to a lady and you can't tell her, hey, they filmed my ass for 10 minutes for idiocracy. | ||
| Why do I even want to not tell that? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I think he eventually did, but at that point he was kind of giving me the – maybe it was like early on in the relationship. | ||
| He was trying to be taken seriously? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe he had like a real job. | ||
| Oh, he did, yeah. | ||
| What was he? | ||
| It works in some kind of, like, finance. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably it. | ||
| Who's Mr. Serious? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What a bummer that must be. | ||
| We played that movie, though, and, like, I was... | ||
| We had all those, you know, the juvenile delinquents, whatever, and they might have been, like... | ||
| I don't know how old they were, but we put it up there and I'm thinking like, okay, I got to somehow get everyone to laugh, like just laughing hysterically. | ||
| We start playing it and they're just laughing hysterically. | ||
| Like it's nothing but that guy's butt on the screen. | ||
| And I was just thinking, we should just release ass and stop writing a script and everything. | ||
| I think we're already there. | ||
| Just release this thing. | ||
| But yeah, anyway. | ||
| There was just so many moments like that in that movie. | ||
| Where it's like, it's... | ||
| I wish I saw it when it came out. | ||
| Because I was wondering, like, how's it going to hold up? | ||
| Because there's some movies that just don't hold up that good. | ||
| But it held up magically. | ||
| That's nice to hear. | ||
| It was very, very funny. | ||
| The 10-year anniversary in 2016, there were a few screenings. | ||
| And I still... | ||
| I watched pieces of it. | ||
| But... | ||
| But yeah, I mean, I was standing outside the theater at a couple of them and I could hear people laughing. | ||
| People seemed to, I mean, they sold out whatever these, the two ones that I went to, so that was nice. | ||
| That's got to be a good feeling to just sit there and watch after all that work, after all the editing and all the weirdness of trying to figure out if it's still good to watch people that have never seen it before, have no idea what's coming, laugh hysterically. | ||
| Yeah, it's a really—I mean, especially something like that that was—both that and Office Space were so difficult to make and didn't do well right away, you know? | ||
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So it's just like, oh, God, like all that work— Office Space didn't do well right away either? | |
| No. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| I need a—well, the Beavis and Butthead movie was a hit right away, but— How the fuck was Office Space not a hit right away? | ||
| I mean, it was low budget, but it kind of basically made back its $10 million over its time in the theater. | ||
| But yeah, it came in like eighth place. | ||
| Was that in the same time period? | ||
| When was Office Space released? | ||
| 99 it came out. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| Okay, so it was earlier. | ||
| But then two years after, it was in, back when they did Blockbuster home video charts, it was like in the top 10 around Christmas. | ||
| It was in the top 20 off and on for a while, which was really nice. | ||
| It's a great fucking movie. | ||
| It's a great fucking movie. | ||
| I love how you use a lot of the same people over and over again, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you worked with Steven Root. | ||
| Oh, he's the best. | ||
| He's incredible, yeah. | ||
| Steven Root was the guy that was the only guy on set that was 100% completely different human being than who he was on television. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy when someone... | ||
| And Steven Root, like, when he played Milton, just completely different. | ||
| Like, I've... | ||
| I've told – I remember years I was talking to Ben Stiller and he said, who played Milton? | ||
| And I said, that's Steven Root. | ||
| He was like, what? | ||
| He'd seen the whole thing and I had no idea that was him and he had met him and everything. | ||
| He does that in every movie he's in. | ||
| But he's a different human hanging out on the set. | ||
| He's a regular guy. | ||
| And then he'd become Jimmy James. | ||
| And he would become Jimmy James. | ||
| I mean, it was a character that he developed. | ||
| I mean, Jimmy James had tendencies. | ||
| He had opinions. | ||
| He had a whole fucking biography for this guy. | ||
| Such a strong character. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I saw that you weren't in the pilot, right? | ||
| You came in the second or third episode? | ||
| Ray Romano was the original me from the pilot. | ||
| And Ray got fired, and then they brought in a second guy, luckily, and then that guy got fired. | ||
| Because I didn't want to take the job from Ray, so I took the job from the guy who took the job from Ray. | ||
| Which is good. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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Better. | |
| Because Ray was my friend, who would suck. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Like, if Ray... | ||
| Oh, I didn't know that backstory. | ||
| Yeah, so obviously it worked out fantastic for Ray, because Everybody Loves Raymond, he did right after that. | ||
| So right after he got fired, then he's doing Everybody Loves Raymond. | ||
| I'm trying to think when that came out. | ||
| I remember I had met Paul Sims in 94, and I was writing the King of the Hill pilot, and I was... | ||
| Or no, I guess 95 or 96, but I was... | ||
| Or I'd met him before. | ||
| Anyway, he had just – he sent me a VHS of the pilot of News Radio and I immediately called and said, who's the guy playing Jimmy James? | ||
| That guy is incredible. | ||
| I've never seen him in anything. | ||
| And yeah, then that led to him – well, he auditioned for King of the Hill and he was just clearly just – Really amazing. | ||
| No, he's amazing in everything. | ||
| You know, he did one of the most incredible things I've ever seen him do. | ||
| We had a table read and Troy Aikman was going to do a guest appearance in King of the Hill, which he did, I think. | ||
| But he couldn't do the first table read. | ||
| Just at the last minute, I understand why Stephen was a little pissed. | ||
| He's like, someone said, okay, can you read Troy Aikman? | ||
| And he's like, I don't know what Troy Aikman talks like. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You're just springing me on this? | ||
| And he proceeded to do the best version of an athlete, pro athlete who can't act at a table read. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I wish I had a tape of it. | ||
| It was so genius. | ||
| The levels of it, it was like, he's doing a guy who can't act, but he's doing a good job acting, and he's throwing in an accent that sounds like a football player from Texas, and it was just amazing. | ||
| He was great, and did you see that Cowboy movie? | ||
| I think it was a Coen Brothers film. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It was a weird film where it was like a bunch of different snippets. | ||
| Yes, and it's got Tim Blake Nelson in it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I saw that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I love that movie. | ||
| It was a great movie. | ||
| It's only one of the Coen Brothers, right? | ||
| Wasn't that the first one? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie? | ||
| Do you remember the film? | ||
| But it was like... | ||
| Not so good. | ||
| It was multiple tragedies. | ||
| He's been in a few. | ||
| It wasn't No Country for Old Men. | ||
| I typed in Coen Brothers, though, and I'm trying to... | ||
| Type in the Stephen Root cowboy movie. | ||
| It's only one of the brothers. | ||
| I think it's Tim Blake Nelson's in it. | ||
| Oh, Brother Ferratto? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's another great fucking movie. | ||
| Just type in Stephen Root cowboy film. | ||
| Oh, is that the one? | ||
| Well, go to his IMDB and we can find it. | ||
| He played some fucking... | ||
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He's got a lot of movies. | |
| His IMDB is... | ||
| Office Space is right at the top, though. | ||
| Wait, is that... | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
|
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These are all too new. | |
| It's fairly recent. | ||
| It's like 2019, I think, or something. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Go down there. | ||
| It'll be... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Where is this? | ||
|
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Here... | |
| I can't... | ||
| Hold on, you're going too fast. | ||
|
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I know, I'm... | |
| Ballad of Buster Scruggs? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
|
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There we go. | |
| Bam. | ||
| Am I wrong? | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Oh, it is both. | ||
| It is both Coen Brothers. | ||
| I thought it was one of the ones that just one of them did. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That is a really good one there. | ||
| Tim Blake Nelson is fucking awesome, too. | ||
| Yeah, he's so good. | ||
| You know what he's great in? | ||
| This movie is fucking really fun. | ||
| The Ballad of Buster Scruggs is so unusual, and Root's character is completely insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So good. | ||
| It's just like, it's one of those movies where you're like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| But that's all of their movies. | ||
| Their movies are so interesting. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're so weird. | ||
| They make so many, I haven't even seen them all. | ||
| Tim Blake Nelson's brother was a producer on Idiocracy, actually. | ||
| Tim Blake Nelson is in a great Western called Old Henry. | ||
| Have you seen Old Henry? | ||
| I haven't seen that one. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I don't want to give away, there's like a plot twist to it, and you go, what? | ||
| But it's a really interesting old western, but it's not funny at all. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Is it a recent one? | ||
| Yeah, I want to say it's like 2020. Last year? | ||
| I wonder if Westerns are going to come back. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's old Henry. | ||
| That's fucking good. | ||
| And that's one I just took a chance on. | ||
| I was home, and I was bored, and I was like, let me see what new movies are out. | ||
| And I looked in iTunes, and it was just there. | ||
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Oh, I think I saw it. | |
| And it was highly rated. | ||
| So I said, all right, let's take a different chance. | ||
| Is that Trace Adkins' in it? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Stephen Dorff's great in it, too. | ||
| I had no idea what the movie was about, so I'm like, okay, let's just give it a chance, and it was really fucking cool. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I love a good Western, though. | ||
| I'm a sucker for a Western. | ||
| Oh, me too. | ||
| I like... | ||
| Like Unforgiven. | ||
| Oh, Unforgiven's fucking fantastic. | ||
| It's like one of the greatest ever. | ||
| That was like, in my opinion, that was like Clint Eastwood doing like a clean-up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know I did all these films that were kind of unrealistic about Westerns and Cowboys. | ||
| Let me come back and show you what it was probably really like. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's what, like, I get, like, watching... | ||
| Like, that's probably what a... | ||
| A draw, like a shootout where people are actually screaming and freaking out that someone died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that was incredible. | ||
| And this one guy who can just keep it together and that's why he can kill everybody. | ||
| He just doesn't freak out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like the stylized ones too, but that one was just, that blew my mind. | ||
| That one holds up. | ||
| Oh, it's fantastic. | ||
| I mean, I love all of his old westerns. | ||
| I love Outlaw Josie Wales. | ||
| I love all the spaghetti westerns. | ||
| I had the box set of the DVDs. | ||
| I mean, any time one of those would come on, I would just be glued to the set. | ||
| It's really incredible that that moment in human history, like when people were making their way across the continental United States, became such a genre for film. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder... | ||
| Yeah, I guess... | ||
| There's not a lot of pioneer movies. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's a few, but it's nothing like the Westerns. | ||
| They say the Wild West only lasted like eight years or something, where it was really wild or something. | ||
| Is that really? | ||
| I guess it's all post-Civil War, right? | ||
| I shouldn't be talking. | ||
| I'm not a historian on it. | ||
| I just remember someone saying that, that it was like before it was really tamed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that makes sense. | ||
| I mean, I think a lot of it had to do with the gold rush, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, that was the reason why people were motivated to make their way out to those weird towns in, like, San Francisco and, like, all these places, Seattle. | ||
| They were miners. | ||
| Lay down railroad tracks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just a very unusual time in history, but as a genre for film... | ||
| It's such a rewarding genre because it's lawlessness. | ||
| So you can have this one person with morals and ethics who keeps the fucking town together and then this bad guy comes in and is trying to take over and just such a, you know, such a classic story. | ||
| Yeah, just pure writing, you know, about... | ||
| Yeah, there's also a bunch of... | ||
| Quentin Tarantino used to do a thing where he'd come to Austin and show... | ||
| He has just a collection of prints of movies that no one's ever seen. | ||
| Like, maybe now a lot of them are available, but like... | ||
| I remember around 2002, 2004, a couple Westerns that didn't even have people I had heard of in it hardly, like, that were just incredible. | ||
| I mean, like, I don't know, I won't even try to describe them, but they were, like, on par with all those, whatever, Sergio Leone spaghetti Westerns. | ||
| And just totally unknown? | ||
| Yeah, unknown. | ||
| I mean, some of them... | ||
| Yeah, I remember there was one where this guy, he goes to a town, he's like a gunslinger, and the bad guys are coming, and they just desperately need him to save the town, and the mayor promises the guy his daughter if he can defend the town. | ||
| You kind of forget about it and there's a big shootout and everybody's happy at the end and you think this is a happy ending and then the guy goes, no, I get the daughter. | ||
| Like he's like – at the end of it, like he's like – and you're like, whoa, this dude wasn't really all – they kind of make him not a hero at the end of it. | ||
| It was a really interesting dark movie. | ||
| I can't remember the name of it. | ||
| And probably what it was really like back then. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There probably were no real good guys. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, when you have a time in history where the morals are completely eroded and you see mass atrocities committed left and right, like even whatever the bar is for the good guys is probably quite a bit lower. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't take much to tip the scales into horrible anarchy. | ||
| No, it's just, it's so interesting how we romanticize those moments, though. | ||
| Those moments, like, that's, like, one of the big, I mean, when we were kids, we played cowboys and Indians. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, that was... | ||
| I don't know if that's allowed anymore, but that's what all... | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think you play an Indian unless you are one now. | ||
| We had the pop gun, and you watched Lone Ranger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, people forgot Johnny Depp played Tonto. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| He got in trouble. | ||
| Oh, he did? | ||
| He's not an Indian. | ||
| Yeah, people were angry. | ||
| Is he like 164th or something? | ||
| Is he? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, not enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's just such a... | ||
| I mean, so many shows. | ||
| Bodanza, so many different television shows. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if it's going to make a comeback. | ||
| Deadwood. | ||
| Wasn't there a Western recently? | ||
| Didn't? | ||
| No. | ||
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Yellowstone, kind of. | |
| Yellowstone is modern, though. | ||
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Yeah, I haven't seen that yet. | |
| 1883? | ||
| Yeah, the prequel, right? | ||
| Yeah, I haven't seen that. | ||
| Is that good? | ||
| I haven't watched it. | ||
| Yellowstone's fucking great. | ||
| I hear it's great. | ||
| I've got to watch it, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you do much consuming of films and stuff when you're not making them? | ||
| I went through a long phase where I wasn't at all. | ||
| And now I do. | ||
| Yeah, now I try to watch a lot of stuff. | ||
| But there's so much stuff I can't keep up. | ||
| Yeah, it's impossible. | ||
| People are always telling me about, oh, you've got to see Euphoria. | ||
| I'm like, how? | ||
| Where's my time? | ||
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You tell me how. | |
| How I can watch this. | ||
| You know the thing that I just saw that made me absolutely want to watch it is there's an entire series of Rowan Atkinson trying to kill a bee. | ||
| Have you seen that trailer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One bee? | ||
| I was laughing so hard at this thing. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| I think it's called something the bee or something like that. | ||
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What? | |
| We did a Beavis and Put-It episode where they try to kill a fly. | ||
| Mr. Bean? | ||
| Man versus bee. | ||
| Wow, look at that car he's got. | ||
| He just gradually fucks everything up more and more just trying to kill this one bee. | ||
| Is this a British film or it's a Netflix thing? | ||
| A Netflix, but it's a Simpsons. | ||
| A Netflix series? | ||
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I'm Trevor from House Sitters Deluxe. | |
| Hello, sweet pea. | ||
| It's Dad here. | ||
| I managed to get a job. | ||
| It means that we can still go on holiday together. | ||
| Danny, I'll call you back. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| This guy has been doing slapstick for a thousand years. | ||
| I guess I'm just like... | ||
| I haven't seen anything like this in so long. | ||
| It was so refreshing. | ||
| They're going to make an entire series on this premise. | ||
| I just got to see how... | ||
| I think he can pull it off. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
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I believe that. | |
| Where are you? | ||
| Man versus... | ||
| Bean. | ||
| Jesus, that's a series? | ||
| I haven't seen anything remotely like that. | ||
| He's an acquired taste. | ||
| Either you love that guy, or you're like, what the fuck is this Mr. Bean guy? | ||
| It took me a little while, and then I was all in. | ||
| Well, you can watch it in small, like when you're not, you just kind of need something dumb to fall asleep. | ||
| I would like to talk to him about his health. | ||
| Oh, is he? | ||
| No, because I have this Chevy Chase theory. | ||
| My Chevy Chase theory is like, everybody says Chevy Chase is an asshole. | ||
| I'm like, I bet Chevy Chase is in constant pain. | ||
| Because if you think about all the times that Chevy Chase would fall down for decades... | ||
| All of his comedy was him, like, doing something and falling into a pile of chairs and slipping off of a stage and landing on his neck, and he was constantly falling down. | ||
| He was constantly slipping on a banana peel, feet first, up in the air, slams down on his head. | ||
| That guy fell hundreds of times. | ||
| He fell every night on Saturday Night Live, didn't he? | ||
| Constantly. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Well, I think he does have... | ||
| Injuries, right? | ||
| He has to. | ||
| Johnny Knoxville has so... | ||
| His dick's broken. | ||
| All of his dick's broken. | ||
| He's beat up all kinds of ways. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he did it to himself. | ||
| He did it in a different way. | ||
| He did it in a way where you're 100% going to get hurt. | ||
| There's no controlling it. | ||
| At least Chevy was responsible for his falls. | ||
| He's getting thrown in the air by bulls and shit. | ||
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Oh my god, that guy gives me anxiety. | |
| But the Chevy Chase one, I'm fascinated by because when I found out that Chevy Chase was considered an asshole by so many people, I'm like, what? | ||
| Fletch? | ||
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That guy? | |
| He seemed so cool. | ||
| I'm like, how could he be an asshole? | ||
| And then as I got older and I have this deep concern about brain damage and brain injuries from fighters and stuff, and then I was watching him like, how bad is he fucked up? | ||
| Like, I guarantee you he's thinking irrationally. | ||
| I guarantee you he's very impulsive. | ||
| I guarantee you he has CTE. 100%. | ||
| Oh, all that stuff gets your... | ||
| Even if it's not hitting your head, it can... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| It affects your impulse control. | ||
| You know, a lot of guys that do that wind up being heavy drinkers or gamblers. | ||
| They're like... | ||
| The way I describe it is, like, imagine if all day long you're, like, irritated. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you're going through life like that. | ||
| So you're going through life constantly and also impulse control is fucked because of CTE. I wonder, well, you know all those, it seems like the UFC guys, the MMA guys don't have that as bad as boxers or do they? | ||
| No, they have it bad. | ||
| They just haven't gotten old enough. | ||
| There's plenty of guys that have it pretty bad. | ||
| There's guys that get out, and in boxing there's guys that get out. | ||
| Andre Ward is my favorite example. | ||
| He's brilliant, eloquent, incredibly good at commentary and talking and explaining things. | ||
| And the guy was a two-division world champion and Olympic gold medalist, and he just decided, you know what? | ||
| I'm getting out while the getting's good. | ||
| I'm perfect. | ||
| I'm in my 30s. | ||
| He was in prime, the prime of his career, world champion. | ||
| He said, I think I could serve boxing better as an example of what's possible than as a guy who keeps fighting. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, he's brilliant. | ||
| Brilliant guy. | ||
| And one of the best commentators ever. | ||
| And that's rare, though. | ||
| Yeah, everyone wants to hang on too long. | ||
| Well, it's like the thrill of doing that is so much more exciting than the thrill of doing anything else in your life. | ||
| Imagine if you do this one thing that gets you to tens. | ||
| And you've got to remember with Andre, there was no real agony of defeat. | ||
| He was an undefeated world champion, an Olympic gold medalist. | ||
| He's handsome, so his pristine face didn't get busted up. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Really never, other than Kovalev, Kovalev was the only guy that really hurt him in a fight. | ||
| Never really got hurt bad. | ||
| And even in that fight, he wound up winning. | ||
| He didn't get knocked out? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, he won every fight. | ||
| He was undefeated. | ||
| Yeah, and if he had stayed in, probably would have... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I mean, they usually stay in until they get knocked out, don't they? | ||
| Well, until something goes bad. | ||
| Bernard Hopkins is a good example of that, but he was in his 50s when he finally started getting really... | ||
| when he lost to Joe Smith Jr. and he fell through the ropes. | ||
| But UFC fighters most certainly get brain damage. | ||
| You can get out without it. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| But, you know, we did a thing yesterday. | ||
| We were going over NBA players, or, excuse me, NFL players with CTE. And they said 99% of NFL players that have been tested have CTE. Oh, really? | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| So is that almost worse than fighting? | ||
| I think it's worse. | ||
| Because I think it's uncontrolled. | ||
| Because with fighting, like say if you're a skilled fighter, you can choose to engage or not to engage. | ||
| With MMA, I think it's better than boxing because you can choose to tie someone up and take them to the ground. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, there's options. | ||
| I guess that's what I had heard. | ||
| Yeah, there's options, but... | ||
| People get... | ||
| The thing is, you're getting hurt in sparring. | ||
| Sparring is hurting you almost as bad as the fights themselves. | ||
| There's a lot of people that wound up getting really bad brain damage that never even fought. | ||
| They just sparred a lot. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, sparring is hitting. | ||
| You're getting hit. | ||
| That's where the brain damage comes from. | ||
| Do you know people get CTE from jet skiing? | ||
| Really? | ||
| From hitting the water? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, you do hit the water pretty hard when you... | ||
| Yeah, we were on the lake the other day and I was watching these guys because there was a boat that was... | ||
| We were on jet skis too, but I don't fuck around like that. | ||
| I just ride. | ||
| They're fun to ride, right? | ||
| I don't need to jump in the air and shit. | ||
| And I had my daughter on my back. | ||
| The back of the jet ski, but we're behind this boat, and these guys are, you know, they're making waves with this boat, like it's a wake-surfing boat, you know those things, so people get behind them on the board. | ||
| And these guys were riding those waves on the jet skis, just... | ||
| And they have these super-powered jet skis now, they're so fucking fast. | ||
| So every time they land, it's like a car accident. | ||
| It's like, boom! | ||
| So the mush inside your brain is just slamming against the wall, and that soft tissue that keeps your brain in place is all getting jumbled up. | ||
| Is that going all night while you're... | ||
| You live right on the lake, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's not going at night. | ||
| Jet ski guys don't go at night. | ||
| The boat guys, though. | ||
| Occasionally you get a boat that goes out at night. | ||
| But, you know, a lot of the reasons why they do that is they go fishing at night. | ||
| They do catfish. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, or they bow fish, which is kind of cool. | ||
| They take a boat, like a fishing boat, with lights hanging over the sides, and the fish come near the light. | ||
| Oh, they just come for the lights? | ||
| They shoot it with bows and arrows. | ||
| I want to try that. | ||
| I haven't done that yet. | ||
| Yeah, so you got into archery, huh? | ||
| We were talking about you saw the range that we have here. | ||
| Yeah, it's really addictive. | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| Yeah, I started doing it in my backyard. | ||
| Well, then I have a place outside of town with lots of room. | ||
| But yeah, I still have never killed a mammal, but I figure I eat meat. | ||
| Also, there's a... | ||
| Really bad hog problem. | ||
| On your ranch? | ||
| Feral hogs everywhere. | ||
| How bad is your ranch? | ||
| Well, right now, I mean, I don't know, there's some people that they kind of come and go. | ||
| Like about 10 years ago, some friends of mine went out there and hunted a bunch of them. | ||
| But, I mean, they'll come through and it's just like a rototiller. | ||
| Like they'll just rip everything up. | ||
| It's kind of crazy. | ||
| A friend of mine said that he was raising sheep. | ||
| They killed like 20 lambs and one night hogs came through and just... | ||
| Yeah, that's something that people don't realize. | ||
| They're predatory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the first time I saw one, it's like big old tusks. | ||
| Like, they're crossed between, I guess, European wild boars that were brought over and escaped just domestic hogs, I guess, that the Spanish brought over. | ||
| And they get big, yeah. | ||
| Well, they're all the same animal, believe it or not. | ||
| Pigs are a weird animal. | ||
| This is one of the reasons why pigs are weird. | ||
| When you take a domestic pig, say a male domestic pig, and he's, you know, eating, feed, and whatever you give him, and then you open the gate and let him loose. | ||
| Within weeks, he starts to change. | ||
| And they'll grow tusks? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Just by the conditions that they're putting? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, okay, that makes sense. | ||
| Not just tusks, but their face changes. | ||
| Yeah, they have a different face when they grow. | ||
| Yeah, their nose extends. | ||
| Yeah, they get longer, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can find anything on this, because it's really fascinating. | ||
| I was just reading, yeah, there's a book, it's this author, Neil Stevenson, it's called, oh shit, what's it called? | ||
| Termination Shock. | ||
| It's set in the near future where hogs are just out of control. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| But he goes into the history of it. | ||
| So a regular hog would just start going wild if you I don't think there's another mammal like it, not that I've ever heard of, that when you release them into the wild, they have a physical transformation. | ||
| Like a cat could become a feral cat, right? | ||
| And then they act differently and they're afraid of people. | ||
| But hogs, their nose grows longer. | ||
| Yeah, they look different. | ||
| They look like a wild boar. | ||
| Their fur changes. | ||
| It gets thicker and bushier. | ||
| Their tusks grow. | ||
| So when you see those pigs, Yeah, see? | ||
| That's what they look like. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It changes their fucking face. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And it changes their nose. | ||
| I don't understand what causes it. | ||
| Well, I just Googled this, when domestic pigs change in the wild. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just check that. | ||
| Let me see that right there. | ||
| It didn't say much more than what you said, though. | ||
| But this is good right here. | ||
| It says domestic pigs can quickly revert to wild pigs, although domestic pigs as we know it today took hundreds of years to breed. | ||
| Just a few months in the wild is enough to make a domestic pig turn feral. | ||
| It will grow tusks, thick hair, and become more aggressive. | ||
| Just a few months. | ||
| And their nose changes, like it grows and extends their snout. | ||
| Yeah, they look more evil. | ||
| It's the same genus. | ||
| They're all called Sue Scroffa. | ||
| But obviously, it's just like dogs, right? | ||
| Even, say, a dog like a German Shepherd. | ||
| There's big German Shepherds and small German Shepherds. | ||
| If you breed the big ones, you make a big one. | ||
| And that's how it is with wild pigs, too. | ||
| But with domestic hogs and wild pigs, it's not like it's a hybrid. | ||
| They're literally the same animal. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I also heard – yeah, when you – well, the ones that my friends hunted out of my place, like you don't get the bacon off the – like when they're wild, there's like – They're still really good, but not as fatty. | ||
| Yeah, they're very lean. | ||
| And they're darker meat, too. | ||
| It's almost like a reddish meat. | ||
| Yeah, it looks different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, the ones that you get in the supermarket are essentially like veal. | ||
| They're just sitting there in a pen. | ||
| They've just been pampered. | ||
| Yeah, and they're fattening them up until they're ready to slaughter them. | ||
| I mean, that's really where you get bacon from. | ||
| Bacon is from obese pigs. | ||
| Yeah, it only comes... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have to be super obese to get that... | ||
| Yeah, it comes off... | ||
| Was it like off their rib cage or something? | ||
| I think it's like... | ||
| I don't know what the difference is between pork belly and bacon is. | ||
| Bacon is... | ||
| Pork belly... | ||
| I mean, I think bacon is almost like brisket. | ||
| I think it's similar... | ||
| There was a writer on The Simpsons, I forget who it was, he wanted to see, he loved bacon so much, he wanted to see if it was possible to ever, to eat so much bacon that he doesn't want anymore, so he did an experiment on a weekend and just woke up on Saturday, started making bacon, just eating bacon, and there's a ton of salt in it, and his tongue and his cheeks started swelling up, and he had to actually go to the hospital Because he's having trouble breathing while he was in the hospital. | ||
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Jesus Christ! | |
| He said he still wanted more bacon while he was in the hospital. | ||
| He never found the point where he didn't want more bacon. | ||
| Oh my God! | ||
| I forget the guy's name. | ||
| That much salt? | ||
| There's really that much salt and bacon? | ||
| Yeah, I guess that's the, it's cured, salt cured. | ||
| Yeah, that's what makes it bacon. | ||
| Pork belly versus bacon, what's the difference? | ||
| The most basic difference between pork belly and bacon is the pork belly cut isn't smoked or cured, and it only comes from the belly of the pig, the softer meat that is interchangeable with most recipes that call for pork, whereas bacon can be derived from the belly and is cured and sometimes smoked. | ||
| Oh, so it is the same area, it's just turned into bacon. | ||
| So streaky pork bacon is pork belly, but pork belly isn't bacon. | ||
| Instead, pork belly is the whole slab cut from the fleshy underside of a pig. | ||
| Streaky pork bacon is cut from this slab, and pork belly is unsmoked and uncured. | ||
| Have you ever gone to Dai Due in town? | ||
| Have you ever eaten there? | ||
| Oh, that sounds familiar. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a fantastic restaurant made by... | ||
| The head chef is this guy, my friend Jesse Griffiths. | ||
| And Jesse, who's been a guest on the podcast before too, he runs a school. | ||
| What is his school called again? | ||
| He's got like... | ||
| It's basically a school where he teaches people from scratch and takes them. | ||
| He does it in very limited numbers. | ||
| This new school of traditional cookery. | ||
| So he takes people out from scratch. | ||
| This is how you shoot a gun. | ||
| This is how you pull a trigger. | ||
| This is how you sight a rifle. | ||
| This is how you kill a pig. | ||
| This is how you butcher the pig. | ||
| This is how you cook the pig. | ||
| And he's an incredible chef. | ||
| His restaurant, Dai Due, is one of my absolute favorite places in Austin. | ||
| I think I have heard of it. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| I want to say it's on Congress? | ||
| I think I have heard of this. | ||
| We'll pull it up. | ||
| Yeah, when I saw the... | ||
| Pull it up just to let them know. | ||
| What's it on? | ||
| Does it say what street's it on? | ||
| Oh, yeah, over there on... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's right by... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just give me a second so I can read out. | ||
| It's by Hoover's. | ||
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It's called Manor. | |
| It just disappeared when I got close. | ||
| Manor Road off of... | ||
| Manor Road. | ||
| Just east of Texas. | ||
| Manor? | ||
| Yeah, that's over by Hoover's. | ||
| Go to Hoover's all the time. | ||
| But the way you spell it is D-A-I-D-U-E, right? | ||
| Is that how you spell it? | ||
| It's fucking great. | ||
| He makes a ceviche with antelope, with Texas antelope. | ||
| It's a Nilgai ceviche. | ||
| So is the antelope raw then? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's like if you would imagine a version of tartare, like a beef tartare, because it's raw, but think more in terms of ceviche where it's cured with lime and he'll put it on chips. | ||
| You know, like, you'll serve it with tortilla chips. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| Well, I've never heard of ceviche that wasn't fish. | ||
| He has fish and chips from local Texas fish, like Texas redfish. | ||
| Oh, so it's all kind of... | ||
| All local. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, and a lot of it is wild, like wild game. | ||
| Well, antelope, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, nail guy antelope. | ||
| Texas is an interesting place in that you can serve wild game in restaurants commercially, which is not legal in a lot of other places. | ||
| Oh, it isn't legal? | ||
| Most places, like say if you go to a restaurant, say in like Michigan, I don't know about Michigan, like California, a good example, and you buy elk. | ||
| You're not getting elk from the United States. | ||
| You're getting elk most likely from New Zealand. | ||
| The law is just... | ||
| Yeah, they can... | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| You know, New Zealand is a weird place because New Zealand doesn't have any predators and almost all the big game mammals that are brought into New Zealand were brought into the, I believe it was the 1800s, they tried to create... | ||
| Yeah, there's not natives. | ||
| Elk aren't natives. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They have stag there, which is a very similar animal to elk, very similar tasting. | ||
| And they're similar looking too. | ||
| But they brought these animals over there to create like a wild game preserve for Europeans. | ||
| So the Europeans would come over, we've gone to New Zealand to hunt. | ||
| And they were hunting these animals that didn't have any predators. | ||
| And so the populations boom to the point where, unfortunately, they have to cull the populations of these incredibly nutritious, delicious, beautiful animals, and they shoot them and just leave them there. | ||
| Like, they'll gun them down with helicopters. | ||
| Oh, so they're not even going to waste? | ||
| There's so many of them. | ||
| There's no predators. | ||
| So you have these mountainous, beautiful landscapes filled with these animals, and it comes a time where they have to keep the populations in check. | ||
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Right. | |
| So they do farm them, and they do sell a lot of lamb. | ||
| A lot of lamb comes from New Zealand, and a lot of elk comes from New Zealand. | ||
| Did you ever see that cane toad documentary? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's another example of they brought these cane toads to... | ||
| Australia? | ||
| Yeah, to Australia to get beetles off the sugar canes. | ||
| And the sugar canes grow taller there, so they didn't even get the beetles. | ||
| And then they just reproduced. | ||
| No predator. | ||
| Oh, and then they brought in cats to deal with the cane toads, I think. | ||
| Oh, I think they did, yeah. | ||
| But this documentary, it's all these Australian hillbillies and just millions of cane toads. | ||
| It wasn't supposed to be funny, and then it became like a viral VHS hit in the... | ||
| Early 90s. | ||
| But yeah, anytime they bring up species, like nature is so delicate, you can't fuck with it. | ||
| Well, that is all of Australia, and that is all of New Zealand. | ||
| Australia is filled with non-native animals. | ||
| Jared Diamond writes a lot about, he wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like he writes a lot about, Australia is like a really interesting example of a lot of... | ||
| Just, yeah, humans wrecking everything. | ||
| Yeah, as is New Zealand. | ||
| New Zealand is, God, it's such a beautiful place. | ||
| I've never been. | ||
| I've never been either. | ||
| It looks incredible. | ||
| It looks incredible. | ||
| All the surf pictures from there. | ||
| Lord of the Rings was shot there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, which seems like it's perfect. | ||
| It's a very small population and fucking staggeringly beautiful landscape. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But that's a very big spot for hunters. | ||
| They go down there and they go to hunt these animals that don't have natural predators. | ||
| This guy who serves antelope, does he go hunt in West Texas? | ||
| He goes to South Texas, I believe, is where he gets the Neil guy. | ||
| He also will buy Neil guy. | ||
| You can buy Neil guy from ranches. | ||
| There's certain ranches that commercially sell Neil guy. | ||
| But the way they do it is they you know they have these wild free-range animals and they just they don't like have them in pens and they go out and they they hunt them commercially like long-range rifles and stuff like that they shoot them and then they collect them and then they'll sell like a whole Neil guy to a restaurant and then they'll like Jesse will part it up and you know make steaks and roasts and and all these different things from it, but His restaurant is so good. | ||
| But the point is, one of the things that he loves is wild hogs. | ||
| And he has all these different recipes for wild hogs. | ||
| He makes sausages and loins and all these different stews and all kinds of... | ||
| I don't know if he makes stews. | ||
| I might have made that up. | ||
| But he makes a bunch of different, really cool recipes with wild pigs. | ||
| Well, it's really... | ||
| I mean, it's really good, and there's... | ||
| I mean, like I say, I haven't hunted yet. | ||
| I think if I do it, I'll do it with a bow, but... | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Just, I don't know, something about a gun just, I don't know, doesn't seem as... | ||
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Sporting? | |
| Yeah, I guess just because I love shooting the bow so much. | ||
| It's fun to shoot a bow, but... | ||
| But I guess you're more likely to not... | ||
| Miss. | ||
| Yeah, that would feel bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is coming from someone who hunts with a bow almost exclusively. | ||
| But I did shoot a wild pig last year in California with a rifle. | ||
| Oh, with a rifle? | ||
| It's so much more effective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You just get it in your crosshair. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Yeah, I was working on it like 20 years ago. | ||
| It was going to be like a Caddyshack type movie about hunting guides and just hunting in general. | ||
| I started watching hunting videos and it's a funny world. | ||
| It's an interesting world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| There's different worlds though. | ||
| Yeah, there are. | ||
| Like there's the Texas people that sit over feeders. | ||
| They call it hunting, but it's really just harvesting. | ||
| You're just shooting. | ||
| You know, you just sit in a stand and you wait and then the feeders go off and the deer gravitate towards the feeders or the hogs gravitate towards and you just blow them away. | ||
| So there's that way. | ||
| And then there's big game hunting in the West, which is like, you really have to be an athlete. | ||
| Yeah, that's when I start, like some of these, like there's a guy with a traditional bow, kills a bear, and the bear almost jumps in the blind with him. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, that's actually pretty fair. | ||
| Like, you're taking a risk there. | ||
| I mean, not completely. | ||
| A little, tiny risk. | ||
| It's like 75-25. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is about as good as it ever gets for the bear, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're highly favored. | ||
| I mean, most of these... | ||
| A lot of these videos are just... | ||
| The ones that, like, 20 years ago, when you'd go to, like, Texas Trophy Hunter Convention or something, these videos are, like... | ||
| They have the rhythm and production quality of porn. | ||
| They're like deer snuff films or something. | ||
| It's kind of going along with cheesy, whatever needle drop music was back then. | ||
| And then it's just like, bam! | ||
| And then everyone's all kind of excited and adrenaline out and shaking hands too many times. | ||
| But most of those that we were looking at were just kind of for the... | ||
| The comedy of how easy it is, like the timed feeder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I said, there's totally different kinds of hunting. | ||
| I remember me and my friend Duncan once, we were doing this sci-fi show. | ||
| We were searching for Bigfoot. | ||
| And we were in the Pacific Northwest, and we went to this spot that was like this weird little diner. | ||
| And we ate lunch there, and they had a television on that was showing a compilation of all the kill shots on deer. | ||
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| So it was like an hour-long video. | ||
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| The deer getting shot in the ribcage and jumping up in the air and running to his death. | ||
| And it was like a cum shot compilation. | ||
| People are too lazy to watch the whole porn. | ||
| You just want to see people jizz. | ||
| That's what it was like. | ||
| There's something, like some of these videos, it's like there's one woman taking her kid who looks like he's 10, squirrel hunting, and... | ||
| The whole thing, like it's this happy music playing, and then he kills a squirrel. | ||
| I don't know, it looks like the Zabruder film or something. | ||
| It's really... | ||
| I mean, at the time, I wasn't used to hunting, and I was just like, oh, yuck, this is like... | ||
| But then, yeah, there's some of them that are just – there's a video for – it's an ad for something called the Barnes varmint grenade. | ||
| It's just like a bullet that just vaporizes groundhogs. | ||
| And in the Silicon Valley writers' room, I was just saying, you got to – like, I guarantee – like, there's vegans in the room. | ||
| It's like – and they were laughing. | ||
| It's like watching Monty Python. | ||
| It looks so silly. | ||
| But it is an animal getting blown away, but it's so... | ||
| You got something? | ||
| You got the Barnes. | ||
| Not this one. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| What is this one? | ||
| You got to go to the ad, because the guy's voice is like, the Barnes varmint grenade. | ||
| Let me see what it is. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Go back up. | ||
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I can't tell which one. | |
| Go down. | ||
| The one... | ||
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Like this? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Try. | ||
| Is that the one? | ||
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Barnes doesn't make only all copper bullets. | |
| The varmint grenade is a new lead-free varmint bullet that gives explosive results. | ||
| Originally developed for military applications, the bullet has a copper-tin composite core. | ||
| This highly fragile core greatly reduces the chance of ricochets. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| ...hallow cavity bullet remains intact at ultra-high velocities, yet fragments instantly on impact. | ||
| Here's how a 36-grain, .22-caliber varmint grenade bullet reacts when hitting a grape. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
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Here's another view in slow motion. | |
| The varmint grenade bullet comes completely apart while it's still inside the grape. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Here's what happens when a 62-grain 6mm varmint grenade strikes a cherry tomato. | ||
| That's out of sync. | ||
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That's just over an inch in diameter. | |
| That's way out of sync. | ||
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Look again. | |
| Here's what's left of the bullet. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The varmint grenade with the spray horizon, ground squirrels and prairie dogs, Oh my god, Jesus. | ||
| They even have extended range. | ||
| Barns is a famous ammunition manufacturer. | ||
| They make copper bullets. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So they're a known... | ||
| This isn't like a fringe... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| They make great bullets. | ||
| And so I guess they branched out into the groundhog killing. | ||
| People hate those little fucking groundhogs and prairie dogs, rather. | ||
| Prairie dogs leave holes and a lot of horses and cows step in them and break their legs. | ||
| Yeah, people get... | ||
| Yeah, groundhogs are... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially prairie dogs. | ||
| There's a lot of videos of... | ||
| There's a video of a Brock Lesnar from the UFC shooting prairie dogs with a.50 caliber rifle. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is very similar. | ||
| Those are the bullets that are like a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're like your forearm. | ||
| Half a forearm. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's so crazy. | ||
| And these things just fucking explode. | ||
| Someone brought one of those out to my place. | ||
| Here it is, Prairie Dog Hunting with Brock Lesnar. | ||
| Every time that thing was fired, it was so loud. | ||
| There's like a shockwave you can see in the air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's an enormous round. | ||
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Oh, God! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not a.50 cal. | ||
| That's just a regular rifle. | ||
| He doesn't need a gun to kill. | ||
| He's like a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe I'm wrong. | ||
| Maybe it wasn't him with the.50 cal. | ||
| No, he's retired from fighting. | ||
| He went back to the WWE, and he does that, and I think that's all he does now. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| See if you find.50 cal. | ||
| Did you look up.50 caliber? | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| Yeah, Brock Lesnar, Prairie Dog, and then look up.50 caliber. | ||
| I might have conflated him with someone else who was shooting Prairie Dogs of.50 caliber. | ||
| There it is, Brock Lesnar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| They might have taken it down. | ||
| He might have gotten too much hit. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Oh, yeah, there it is. | ||
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It's the same day, just a different gun. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| No, that's a very different gun, though. | ||
| That's the.50 cal. | ||
| Yeah, that's the.50 cal. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Scroll back up so I can see what the title says there. | ||
| Brock Lesnar murdering Prairie dogs with.50 cal or sample rifle. | ||
| Where's PETA? Oh, God. | ||
| Where is PETA? What do you want to do, PETA? You want him to die with a regular rifle better? | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Is it ethical to shoot him with a.50 cal? | ||
| It's not unethical. | ||
| I was just at the beginning of the video. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Oh, he's not even bracing it. | ||
| No, he's huge. | ||
| That's not a normal human, man. | ||
| That's a Viking. | ||
| That's what Vikings used to be like. | ||
| I remember, yeah, he's got to be straight, pure Viking. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| Yeah, that's like, he had probably like a Viking grandma and a Viking grandpa. | ||
| He's from the upper, like, the Vikings all kind of, I mean, the Norwegians all settled in that area, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, my favorite example of Vikings is Iceland. | ||
| That's like more strong men come from Iceland. | ||
| Oh, in the strong men competitions? | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Vice did a whole piece on it. | ||
| Isn't that where you run like a... | ||
| Yeah, it's like... | ||
| No, it's mostly like they throw barrels over the top of goal posts and they pick up cars. | ||
| I'm thinking Iron Man or something. | ||
| Yeah, you're thinking of Iron Man. | ||
| Yeah, the strong man is the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they're just giants. | ||
| It's like that guy Thor from the Game of Thrones, the guy who was the mountain. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Perfect example. | ||
| Preposterously huge men. | ||
| And if you were alive 2,000 years ago and those guys showed up on your shore with animal skins over their dick holding a sword, it was over. | ||
| Yeah, they went up the rivers and just raped. | ||
| Your village was over. | ||
| Raped everybody. | ||
| Yeah, raped and murdered everybody. | ||
| Just a bunch of Brock Lesnar's coming. | ||
| Yeah, that's literally what it was. | ||
| Which is really crazy to imagine that we've come so far that now... | ||
| Now the result is this guy's out there shooting prairie dogs. | ||
| It's like, placate him. | ||
| Do whatever you can to keep him calm. | ||
| Give him a gun. | ||
| Let him shoot the prairie dog. | ||
| Yeah, there's a former Marine country singer here. | ||
| He's like a gun expert. | ||
| But he brought one of those out. | ||
| Me and my friend just started laughing every time someone fired. | ||
| It was so absurdly loud. | ||
| You can feel this wave go across your face. | ||
| And I guess those bullets go like two miles or something. | ||
| Didn't somebody in Afghanistan or somebody... | ||
| Is that a world record with a.50 caliber? | ||
| Was it a.50 cal? | ||
| Maybe it wasn't. | ||
| I know there's one video, find this video, where a guy shoots a deer with a.50 caliber and misses the deer but still kills it. | ||
| He kills it because the bullet passes right by the deer's head and the force of the bullet passing by the deer's head sucks its eyes out of its head and just immediately pulverizes his brain. | ||
| Okay, I don't feel like such a wuss then for being like... | ||
| No, it's crazy. | ||
| The shockwave that that thing... | ||
| And this is with, like, noise-canceling headphones and earplugs in. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| No, it's a preposterously loud round. | ||
| Also, like, yeah, and it looks like an Estes rocket or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it's a big round. | ||
| It looks like, yeah, like a Red Bull can. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is, yeah, that's how big it is. | ||
| Look at the size of that. | ||
| So see if you can find the deer. | ||
| The guy kills, that's it. | ||
| That's definitely it. | ||
| So he shoots, and the deer goes down, but then when he gets there, so he's sighting in on this deer, and watch this. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| He shoots it. | ||
| The round goes off. | ||
| And the deer goes down, right? | ||
| So you think he shot the deer, right? | ||
| So they go over, and there's no wound on the deer. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It didn't hit it at all. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Oh, that's kind of hideous. | ||
| Like, it sucked his eyes out of his head and his mouth. | ||
| Like, the deer's instantaneously dead, but with no impact. | ||
| I guess that wouldn't be a horrible way to go. | ||
| Watch this, though, when they show it. | ||
| See, it just passes by his head. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Watch this in slow motion. | ||
| It doesn't hit him. | ||
| Oh my god, I wonder what the range of just sucking eyeballs out is. | ||
| That's so awful. | ||
| I mean, it looks like he misses it by like an inch. | ||
| I mean, if you watch the vapor trail, I mean, it's just passing right by his head, or her head. | ||
| And then the deer's like, that's a wrap. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Just the force of it passing through the air. | ||
| I didn't grow up hunting. | ||
| I mean, even like my family on my dad's side did, but I didn't... | ||
| So it all just seems like... | ||
| Hideous to me, but then, I mean, you know, it's depending on, I mean, there's, well, like New Zealand, you know, it's like... | ||
| They have to do it. | ||
| It is our, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the thing about the wild pigs here. | ||
| I mean, Native Americans, like, that was their... | ||
| Yeah, and the wild pigs are really, actually, really bad for the environment. | ||
| Are you still connected on here? | ||
| We've got, like, a weird feedback. | ||
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You hear that? | |
| You don't hear that? | ||
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I hear a very low, low hum, but I mean, it's super quiet. | |
| I should probably go around 3 just to catch my flight. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| Where are you headed to? | ||
| I'm going to go back to LA. I'm in LA for the summer. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Too hot here? | ||
| Too hot. | ||
| Texas people like to do that. | ||
| They bail. | ||
| They either go to Colorado. | ||
| A lot of folks here go to Aspen. | ||
| Yeah, everyone goes to Colorado and they go to New Mexico too. | ||
| I grew up in Albuquerque and my dad was always griping about Texans coming in. | ||
| How long have you been here? | ||
| Well, in Texas since, wow, 88. But Austin, 94? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, moved. | ||
| I was in New York for Beavis and Butthead for like a year and a half, I guess. | ||
| I remember I came out here once for a UFC and you were backstage and I was surprised. | ||
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I was like, what? | |
| This guy likes the UFC? It's weird. | ||
| I'm not even a big sports fanatic, but for some reason I got really addicted to UFC. Yeah. | ||
| You're missing it. | ||
| It's here this weekend. | ||
| That's what I heard, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good one. | ||
| It's a big one. | ||
| Saturday night. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My friend was asking if I was going, and I got to get back, but... | ||
| Wait, who is it again? | ||
| Well, the main event... | ||
| Are you doing it? | ||
| No, I'm going to watch. | ||
| I haven't been in the audience of a UFC in 20 years. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, I get to just sit. | ||
| You're only there when you're... | ||
| I'm only going to watch, which is great. | ||
| I'm not working. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so the main event is Calvin Cater versus Josh Emmett, which is two, they're two featherweight contenders. | ||
| But there's Cowboy Cerrone is on the undercard, fighting Joe Lozon, just a bunch of very good fights. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Very exciting fights. | ||
| Cowboy Cerrone's from Texas, isn't he, or no? | ||
| No, he's from Colorado. | ||
| Yeah, Colorado, that's right. | ||
| Yeah, so here, Tim Means versus Kevin Holland, that's a great fight. | ||
| Joaquin Buckley versus, I don't know, Albert Duryev, but Joaquin Buckley is a fucking assassin. | ||
| There's great fights, really great fights. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Interesting, that guy Duryev is the favorite. | ||
| Ooh, interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Wait, he fought someone. | ||
| Didn't he beat somebody big? | ||
| Oh, Buckley? | ||
| No. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Let me see what his record is. | ||
| I kind of stopped watching for a little while and started getting back into it. | ||
| But I used to be addicted to it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Mmm. | |
| You were addicted to it. | ||
| Yeah, when I saw it when you were there, that was like 2011 or something in Austin. | ||
| Oh, he fought Anthony. | ||
| Oh, he's going to fight Anthony Hernandez. | ||
| That got canceled. | ||
| Now he's fighting Buckley. | ||
| So this is only his second fight in the UFC, and his favorite over Buckley, which is wild. | ||
| He must be talented. | ||
| I did not see his first fight, though. | ||
| Lausanne's been at it forever. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| This is kind of a retirement fight for both guys. | ||
| I mean, Donald Cerrone is in a new movie right now with Gina Carano, actually a Western, that's coming out soon. | ||
| Oh, he acts? | ||
| He's been... | ||
| Yeah, he's starting to act. | ||
| That's what he's going to transition to, I believe, out of fighting. | ||
| He's going to transition to acting. | ||
| He's perfect for that. | ||
| He's such a character. | ||
| A bunch of MMA people have gotten into acting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're casting films, that's got to be one of the weirdest parts of making a movie. | ||
| You have this idea, you write it out, and then you meet a bunch of people, and you've got to get them to try to become this thing that you've created on paper. | ||
| Yeah, it's my... | ||
| I mean, I actually am proud of who I've cast. | ||
| I think I'm pretty good at... | ||
| But it's my least favorite part of the process. | ||
| The audition part of it, like... | ||
| I mean, it's like going on some weird, horribly awkward date every five minutes for however many hours you're doing it because every person comes in and they're looking for any sign on your face of how they did. | ||
| A lot of times they're really great and you want to tell them they're great, but they may not just be the type for the part and you want to say that, but all they want to hear is that they got the part. | ||
| There's nothing you can say. | ||
| So you just kind of go, okay, thank you. | ||
| You know, you want to give the part to everybody, but you can only pick one. | ||
| It's just, it's such a, yeah, and also when you're, yeah, if you wrote everything and you're hearing it done horribly, sometimes that makes you, shakes your confidence in the material and I mean, usually though, like my first experience with it was... | ||
| I mean, doing animation, I was doing a lot of the voices myself for most of them. | ||
| But like with Office Space, when I did start having good people read for it, it makes the writing seem better. | ||
| Like actors can make the writings, make the dialogue seem better than it is sometimes, I think. | ||
| Like I remember thinking... | ||
| I mean, sometimes it doesn't work at all and it makes you think it's horrible, but I remember thinking, wow, I'm a pretty good writer. | ||
| But a lot of it's just because the actors are just making it seem so real. | ||
| Terry Crews was the perfect president for that movie. | ||
| Did you have him in mind? | ||
| Who did you have in mind when you wrote it? | ||
| No, I mean, I think maybe it's okay to say now. | ||
| I was sort of thinking Benicio Del Toro, actually. | ||
| Oh, he would have been great, too. | ||
| Yeah, and he turned it down, I think. | ||
| But I don't even know if it got that far. | ||
| When Terry auditioned, he just stole the part. | ||
| I was showing it to people. | ||
| It's one of those things where when something's that good, you just keep watching it, you know? | ||
| And I just kept watching it. | ||
| He's a rare, funny guy who's also jacked. | ||
| Yeah, I was just saying that. | ||
| Not many people can pull that off. | ||
| Very few. | ||
| He kind of has to be jacked. | ||
| He might be the only one. | ||
| He might be the only guy that's built like that, that is really funny. | ||
| There's something where it all works with his face. | ||
| And when he was doing that, I kept going like, wait, this is amazing. | ||
| He's the president and he's that jacked and he's making these puzzled faces. | ||
| He's got so much charisma. | ||
| And he was a porn star and a WWE champion. | ||
| Was the character a W? I mean, how many people are funny and they're built like that? | ||
| It was like fucking nobody. | ||
| I know, it's really rare. | ||
| So rare. | ||
| And you buy into it, like it makes you laugh. | ||
| And when you wrote it, did you write as a WWE Champion? | ||
| Was that already in there before Terry was there? | ||
| That was in there, yeah. | ||
| That was in there, and... | ||
| So, I guess, like, I actually auditioned, not for that part, for some of the other ones, a lot of WWE people, and something, a lot of them are decent actors, but there's something just that wasn't funny in the right way. | ||
| But they didn't read for that, but we had... | ||
| Yeah, we had, at one point, Tank Abbott read for, not for that part, but for, I think, the doctor in the hospital. | ||
| And he was actually pretty good. | ||
| He was pretty funny, actually. | ||
| Smart dude! | ||
| Yeah, like, he's... | ||
| He's a surprisingly smart guy who just likes to beat the shit out of people. | ||
| Yeah, he seemed smart. | ||
| He seemed like a funny... | ||
| I mean, I've heard he's scary or something, but I thought he was really funny. | ||
| Oh, he's a very nice guy. | ||
| Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy. | ||
| I've gotten hammered with him before. | ||
| He actually just came upon hard times, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, he had a liver transplant. | ||
| He had liver cancer. | ||
| He had a transplant? | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He had a liver donor, yeah. | ||
| He had some... | ||
| Which is not surprising if you know how hard that guy partied. | ||
| Well, I came close to casting him. | ||
| He'd read for a couple different things. | ||
| But he was a really, really nice guy. | ||
| But he'd say like, okay, you guys can call me. | ||
| I might be drunk. | ||
| He kept saying I might be drunk. | ||
| But he showed me it. | ||
| I guess all the fights, he would do these pit fights on the beach for the Hells Angels or something, and he just takes these teeth out and goes, yeah, see, I just finally got these so I can just take them out. | ||
| Because, I don't know, teeth kept getting knocked out or something. | ||
| But, yeah, what a legend. | ||
| Yeah, he was a real character in the early days of fighting. | ||
| And he was the first guy that I ever saw that figured out to put on gloves. | ||
| Oh, that was... | ||
| You didn't have to wear gloves back then. | ||
| When he first started fighting, gloves were optional and he did it to protect his hands. | ||
| Very smart. | ||
| Did he invent those kind? | ||
| Not full boxing gloves, but like the MMA gloves? | ||
| No, he definitely didn't invent them. | ||
| They were round. | ||
| I think Century might have had them as bag gloves at one point in time. | ||
| And he started wearing them. | ||
| It was him and Vitor Belfort. | ||
| Those were the two guys, the first guys that I ever saw wear those gloves. | ||
| But I think Tank was first. | ||
| And then they wound up being a thing where people would wear them. | ||
| And then it became standard. | ||
| Yeah, those old ones were great. | ||
| You know, John Crisfalusi, the Ren and Stimpy guy, was way into that. | ||
| And he claims to have given Spike TV the idea for the UFC reality show because he was saying, yeah, you guys got to follow Tank Abbott around when he's installing air conditioners. | ||
| You get to see what he's like during the day, you know. | ||
| He installed air conditioners? | ||
| I think that's what John said. | ||
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Really? | |
| He was doing back then, yeah. | ||
| He had a regular, some kind of... | ||
| 9 to 5. I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what John Criswell said. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if he came up with the idea. | ||
| But that kind of really boosted the UFC. Oh, that was it. | ||
| Yeah, that was 2005. Yeah. | ||
| That was right around the time Idiocracy came out. | ||
| Yeah, I was in the editing stages of it when I started watching that actually. | ||
| It got me hooked. | ||
| Yeah, it got everybody hooked. | ||
| The finals with Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin was this insane fight that, during the fight, the amount of people increased substantially. | ||
| That's what I've heard, yeah. | ||
| Which is like people were calling people up and going, oh my god, you've got to watch Spike TV. Yeah, I was watching it. | ||
| This fight is insane. | ||
| Yeah, it was live on Spike. | ||
| It wasn't a pay-per-view, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was live on Spike. | ||
| It wasn't a pay-per-view. | ||
| There's no, I mean, nobody was really watching the UFC. I mean, there was pay-per-views that were still on. | ||
| I think back then we were just on DirecTV. | ||
| I don't know if we had gotten back on cable yet, but it just wasn't that popular. | ||
| Were you commentating at that point? | ||
| I started commentating a couple years before that. | ||
| I was commentating in 2002. That's when I started. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Well, I actually started in 97. I was the post-fight interviewer. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, I did that for a couple years. | ||
| Way back then. | ||
| That was in, like, UFC 12 was the first one that I did. | ||
| It was in Dothan, Alabama. | ||
| We had a fly-in and a puddle jumper play. | ||
| Oh, I've seen that one, I think. | ||
| And that was Vitor Belfort made his debut, and he knocked out Trey Tellegman and Scott Ferrozo to win the tournament. | ||
| It was the early, early, early days. | ||
| You could wear shoes back then. | ||
| It was a completely different sport. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| You look at those old ones. | ||
| They're wearing shoes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could still pull clothes. | ||
| People are pulling ponytails. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| You used to be able to punch people in the nuts. | ||
| There was a lot of crazy shit that you could get away with back then. | ||
| But it was a different world. | ||
| And I did it for a little while, but I thought it was like a novelty. | ||
| And it was something that I... As a martial artist, the question was always, like, what would happen if a judo guy fought a karate guy? | ||
| So the UFC came along and they said, let's see. | ||
| And so for me, it was exciting just to be there and watch, and I was always a fan of it and a lot of the Japanese organizations. | ||
| And then it was just, I was losing money doing it, and so I quit. | ||
| And so then I got on Fear Factor, and I would go to, once the UFC was purchased by Zufa, the Fertitta brothers and Dana White, I would go to watch the fights in Vegas. | ||
| And I became friends with those guys, and they would get me ringside tickets, and I would say, hey, why don't you, do you know about this guy who's fighting in Japan? | ||
| Do you know about this guy from Russia? | ||
| And they would go... | ||
| Hey, you want to do commentary? | ||
| I was like, no, I don't want to do commentary. | ||
| I just want to watch fights. | ||
| Yeah, you're the voice of it now, though. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's all because of Dana. | ||
| Dana talked me into it 20 years ago. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that's the story. | ||
| Alright, so Beavis and Butthead, it's out when? | ||
| What is the date it's out? | ||
| Let me get this right. | ||
| June 23rd. | ||
| June 23rd. | ||
| Okay, so we'll release this. | ||
| Paramount Plus. | ||
| We'll release this the day comes out so that it juices it out. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Beavis and Butthead, do the universe. | ||
| I am fucking very excited. | ||
| Very excited to see this. | ||
| Streaming June 23rd and it is on. | ||
| What's it on? | ||
| Paramount Plus. | ||
| And then that's where Yellowstone is. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| And then the new episodes come right after that. | ||
| There's episodes where they're old. | ||
| Yeah, if you click on that one, we're doing a little spinoff where they're middle-aged. | ||
| How many episodes do you guys do? | ||
| There's going to be 24, but there's two in each half hour like it used to be. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
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They're going to be watching TikTok videos and music videos. | |
| And when is that going to come out? | ||
| When is the series due? | ||
| August. | ||
| I think first week of August. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mike, thank you very much for coming in here, man. | ||
| I'm a giant fan of everything you've done. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| You're awesome. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Anytime. | ||
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Alrighty. | |
| Alright. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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