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Dec. 22, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1750 - Ari Shaffir & Tony Hinchcliffe
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ari shaffir
48:39
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joe rogan
01:40:20
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tony hinchcliffe
17:42
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jamie vernon
02:49
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nancy pelosi
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unidentified
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joe rogan
That is the digital art of an NFT. What it is, is this guy Beeple.
Do you know who Beeple is?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Beeple is the king of the NFTs.
He's a digital artist, and he was on the podcast, and he does a piece of digital art every single day, and he has for 12 years.
You've never seen his stuff?
unidentified
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It's incredible.
But it's that kind of absurdist stuff, like that's a giant Elon Musk with Dogecoin.
tony hinchcliffe
Is that the guy that does the cool thing that had Hillary Clinton's head on a moving robot?
unidentified
Yes.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, I love that stuff.
joe rogan
Yes, that's him.
All of his stuff is real absurd and wild.
Yeah, it's awesome stuff.
Love it.
And that's Beeple.
That's all of his stuff.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
Is that a Burning Man thing?
Bottom right?
Oh, that's digital art?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
No, it's not Burning Man.
Damn, interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does all these, like, very strange, but it's really funny.
People, like, try to find the hidden meaning.
Well, what he's trying to say is, he goes, I don't know what the fuck I'm saying.
ari shaffir
Dude, I love when an artist has to try to sell their work, and they try to make it up, but it's like, the reality is I like flowers.
joe rogan
Well, he's not interested.
Look at that one.
The missile with the big cock.
unidentified
Love it.
joe rogan
He doesn't, none of his stuff.
He's the most unpretentious guy ever.
He's not pretentious at all.
ari shaffir
It was the first weed I smoked in over a week.
joe rogan
This is tobacco.
We're in Texas, you son of a bitch.
unidentified
Oh.
tony hinchcliffe
Really strong tobacco.
joe rogan
How come you're not smoking weed?
ari shaffir
I was in San Diego.
I was in Dominican Republic.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
We good?
Want more?
Cheers, gentlemen.
ari shaffir
Cheers.
It's a long life.
And fortitude.
Boners.
joe rogan
Good times.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
That's good shit, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's old stuff.
Good scotch.
It's interesting.
I think I prefer, like, American whiskey.
I prefer, like, Buffalo Trey-style whiskey.
But that's still good.
ari shaffir
It's interesting.
joe rogan
It's a different flavor.
ari shaffir
Is this Speyside Highland?
unidentified
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Interesting.
joe rogan
I just had Jeff go out and get some old.
I like the Petey kind, too.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's my favorite.
ari shaffir
Next time I'm here, I'm bringing you some.
joe rogan
What's the best stuff?
What's the best Petey kind?
ari shaffir
My favorite?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Kowalile.
joe rogan
Ooh.
ari shaffir
Some Scottish shit?
It's like Kowalile, but yeah.
unidentified
Kowalile.
ari shaffir
It's my favorite.
I love it.
You don't find it everywhere.
The 10 or the 12, I forget.
12. I'll bring you some next time.
joe rogan
You know who makes a damn good whiskey?
Josh Barnett.
Josh Barnett has his own War Master whiskey.
It's fucking good.
Josh Barnett is a genius.
He's a very intelligent guy.
And he's a connoisseur of great things.
Like, he's really into things.
And if he does something, he's gonna do it the right way.
Like, 100%.
He never does a bullshit thing.
And he's got this War Master whiskey.
I think it's like, I forget the brand he's working with.
jamie vernon
Warbringer.
joe rogan
Warbringer.
And his is called the War Master.
And I'm telling you, it's fucking good.
I wish I had the bottle here.
I mean, he gave it to me and I tried it out.
I was like, whoa.
I go, dude, this is some fucking great whiskey.
ari shaffir
I love these promos.
unidentified
Like he's in there in the factory fucking lugging bags every day.
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
You don't know.
He does.
He goes down there.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he goes down there.
Look, he's involved in every step of the way.
ari shaffir
Why did he stab that barrel?
joe rogan
Because he's an animal.
He's Josh Barnett.
He's the youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.
The youngest ever.
No one has beat his record.
He won the UFC heavyweight title, I think he was 24 years old.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
ari shaffir
And then he left, right?
joe rogan
Well, he went on to do a bunch of other organizations.
ari shaffir
And then came back eventually.
joe rogan
And he came back to the UFC eventually.
He's, uh, Josh Barnett's a fucking renaissance fan.
tony hinchcliffe
He made a special appearance on the pro wrestling event that we did at the Comedy Store.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
tony hinchcliffe
He smacked the hell out of Johnny Skortis' chest.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
That is not what you want.
tony hinchcliffe
You could have heard it from fucking La Cienega.
ari shaffir
Did Skortis sell it?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, he sold it so good.
He did a few steps like he was fine, and then he just, like, died.
So good.
joe rogan
I love Josh Barnett.
He's so interesting.
And he's a great example of someone that I could say.
If someone had these preconceived notions about what a cage fighter's like, and you think they're all brutes and they're all dumb people, sit down with Josh Barnett.
He's a world-class cage fighter, has been for many, many years.
He's an elite, high-level grappler.
And he's a brilliant guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Class act, gets it, doesn't seem like he's brain damaged.
ari shaffir
It's amazing when someone surprises you.
There's plenty of meatheads, but there's also some interesting ones.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a lot of them.
There's a lot of them.
It's a hard thing to do, man.
It's a hard thing to do, to be able to do that for a living.
ari shaffir
I talked to Keith Jardine.
The first time I talked to Keith Jardine, he looks scary.
Totally scary.
joe rogan
Fucked up ears.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And it was like, excuse me, it was new to the UFC, like first or second or third one.
And so I thought I was in the way constantly.
Excuse me.
And then I moved.
He's like, no, excuse me.
And he's looking at me.
He's like, uh, what?
He goes, I heard you like J.D. Salinger.
I'm like, oh, yeah.
I'm just reading this now.
It's quite good.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
Yeah.
He's one of the owners of Cayman Coffee.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Him and Tate.
And there's another woman as well.
Oh god, I forget her name.
ari shaffir
Lacey Mackie.
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
Lacey.
joe rogan
That's right, Lacey.
And they have the best cold brew.
The cold brews as shit.
You ever have their cold brew?
tony hinchcliffe
Nitro.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good stuff.
But Keith's super smart.
There's a lot of those guys, man.
A lot of fucking smart people in the UFC. It's shocking, you know, because it's such a crazy thing.
I mean, you're putting your brain in danger.
But a lot of people that excel at it.
Carlos Condit, very smart guy.
Very smart guy.
ari shaffir
You run for governor?
joe rogan
Or mayor?
No, his dad was a governor or something like that.
ari shaffir
Maybe that's it.
joe rogan
Dad was a mayor or a governor?
He was some politician.
What was he?
ari shaffir
He wasn't the one who had the chick disappear and then got...
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Let's not even spread that rumor, son of a bitch.
ari shaffir
No, who was that, though?
joe rogan
Which one is that?
ari shaffir
There was some chick disappeared, and his staff just disappeared, and they were all sort of investigating him until some other story came up and just buried him.
Any memory of this?
joe rogan
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
This is 9-11.
ari shaffir
9-11, let this guy go.
joe rogan
Gary, the guy's name was- Gary Condit.
That's right.
Gary Condit.
And there was a girl that he was apparently having an affair with or supposedly having an affair with.
ari shaffir
Living his life.
joe rogan
And she got murdered in a park.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like right after the affair was exposed.
And then 9-11 happened.
And so because 9-11 happened, everybody sort of forgot about it.
Because it was so crazy.
That's right.
ari shaffir
Chandra Levy.
Oh, Chandra Levy.
She would have been like the next Lewinsky.
joe rogan
It's those things like, the thing is about Washington, D.C., you have to think, there are real murders there.
Like that is an absolutely dangerous city.
ari shaffir
Would you not?
Oh, you're talking about actual murders.
joe rogan
But I'm saying, imagine though, if it wasn't the case, if he didn't have her whacked, if he just had an affair with her, and the affair got exposed, and then she just randomly got murdered.
And he's like, oh no.
ari shaffir
They're going to think that's me.
joe rogan
100%.
I'm not saying that that's the case.
I'm just saying, could you imagine if that did happen?
Because that's always the wonder.
When something coincidentally happens, that's always the wonder.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Was it a coincidence?
Was it a murder?
ari shaffir
Hillary Clinton says coincidence.
joe rogan
We were just watching this.
We were rather reading this statistic the other day about how many women listen to those true crime shows.
They're like 73% women or something.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they love it.
They love it.
joe rogan
Crazy.
ari shaffir
I heard something that it's making women a little bit fearful of doing things in the world because they're constantly...
Anyone who's walking behind them now because of those are like, shit, shit, that guy's up to something.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
ari shaffir
And they can't just be anymore.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You got to get off those chicks.
joe rogan
Well, I think that people are getting influenced by anything that gives them anxiety, whether it's anxiety about serial killers or anxiety about diseases or war with Russia or war with China.
We're all ramped up on all sides.
Everyone is freaking out.
ari shaffir
And for what?
For shit you can't control, almost always, doesn't it concern you, and you're just feeling fear over nothing.
joe rogan
It's interesting, right?
Because it's always been the way people have operated.
They always get together in a patch of land, and they choose a leader, and then they fuck everybody else!
This is it!
unidentified
This is us!
ari shaffir
This patch!
joe rogan
We are the fucking shit!
ari shaffir
Patch 72!
joe rogan
It's kind of funny, man.
It's like, what everyone would really be afraid of is if all of the people woke up and said, hey, we don't even really need a government.
If we just stop invading each other and we equally distribute all of the natural resources, instead of hoarding it, we treat it as one community.
One community, the community is planet Earth.
So if people need food in Africa, that's our community.
If people need gas in Argentina, that's our community.
And we all work together.
And there's no presidents.
ari shaffir
Why won't that happen?
joe rogan
Well, because people always want to take over.
ari shaffir
Dude, even to the poor people here, if you're like, yeah, everyone should split it up evenly.
That means with the whole world.
Even the poor people here would be like, oh, no, let's not do that.
joe rogan
We're so funny the way we have narratives from movies and from fiction, and we try to shoehorn them into real life.
And one of them is politicians aren't corrupt, and politicians are looking out for your best interest.
Yeah, no way.
If you see that in a movie, you're like, oh, that makes sense.
So in real life, if I say to you, do you think that some politicians are corrupt?
And you're like, yeah, definitely.
Do you think that politics in general is kind of tainted by influence and money?
Be like, oh, yeah, yeah, fuck yeah, for sure.
And you go, okay, was that happening right now?
No, I think right now I'm just doing a real good job.
ari shaffir
It's every other five-year period.
joe rogan
I don't think this guy's ties to the pharmaceutical companies are a big problem at all.
ari shaffir
They've been talking about it for 200 years.
joe rogan
Bro.
ari shaffir
The fucking government's always ripping people off.
And suddenly now, you're right.
They were like, no, not these people.
joe rogan
Did you see Nancy Pelosi defend insider trading?
unidentified
I was just about to ask you.
ari shaffir
What'd you say?
I don't know, guys.
I'm doing great at it.
unidentified
You guys should try it.
joe rogan
A bunch of people were freaking out about it.
I think it was Crystal and Sager.
I didn't watch it, but I did see the headline.
That she apparently...
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's incredible.
You have to watch it.
ari shaffir
She's just bypassing all the laws to make hella cash!
tony hinchcliffe
She looks so guilty.
It's like when they tell Robert Durst that they know that he did it and he starts burping and shit.
ari shaffir
Just deflect.
joe rogan
Think about how much money she's worth.
She makes how much a year?
How much does she make a year?
ari shaffir
She just funnels it to her husband and be like, no, he made the money.
Not me, technically.
joe rogan
How much money does she make a year?
tony hinchcliffe
From being a congresswoman or overall?
ari shaffir
Stuff she's getting now or stuff she's putting away somewhere where no one can see it?
joe rogan
She's the Speaker of the House, right?
ari shaffir
Oh, you mean salary?
tony hinchcliffe
Probably like a $200,000 job, right?
joe rogan
She's a big wig.
ari shaffir
$600,000.
Just on Speaker of the House money, you're saying?
tony hinchcliffe
No, it can't be $600,000.
joe rogan
No, I don't think it's that money.
Fauci's the highest paid government employee.
$223,000.
And Fauci is slightly less than a half a million dollars.
ari shaffir
Wow.
Yeah, they gotta make their money on the side.
joe rogan
But Fauci's like the highest paid government employee.
I think Fauci might even be...
ari shaffir
More than the president?
joe rogan
No, I think the president makes a little more than that.
ari shaffir
The president makes 400 grand.
They've got to start paying them or they get better people.
unidentified
They make their money when they get out.
joe rogan
What it is, it's like an investment.
If you get out, you will have money for speaking engagements with all the companies that you helped, all the companies that you like, hey, I like you, I like you, let's hang out, let's party.
They're like, hey, Mike, Mike, the former president, we'd love to have you come speak at our conference and we're willing to pay you a half a million dollars.
So there's these weird bribes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
When?
But I'm in office right now.
Right after you get out.
It's not that.
joe rogan
It's kind of genius.
It's a genius con game.
What it is, it's like a virus finds its way through the system.
ari shaffir
And they never tell on each other.
The left and the right side, just like, no, no, we're all in that game.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the game of making big money after you quit.
And then you can also sell books.
If you're a president and you write a book, that book is selling.
ari shaffir
For sure.
Do you remember when the UFC paid eight and eight?
They paid $8,000 to lose a fight, another $8,000 to win.
joe rogan
I think there's still times.
What is the entry-level fight pay?
ari shaffir
It can't still be $8,000.
joe rogan
Might be $10,000 and $10,000.
ari shaffir
Regardless, do you remember when that happened?
What did the fighters then do?
Did they accept just that salary?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Or they went out and got it another way?
That's what the fucking Congress is doing.
They're just getting paid.
joe rogan
Well, sort of.
Except the Congress people in doing that, they're playing a game that's illegal to play if you're not...
Like, if you know...
That's how they put Martha Stewart away, isn't it?
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Wasn't it insider trading?
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so what is insider trading?
It's like you know something, and because you know something, you can't make a move on the market because you have inside information?
Is that exactly what it is?
ari shaffir
Dude, I told everybody, yes, that's exactly right.
Because you're on the know, so of course you would buy all the stocks and rig the system.
joe rogan
Is that the most tempting, like, illegal thing to do ever?
If you fucking know something's about to happen, let's hear what she says.
ari shaffir
She looks like a vampire.
unidentified
Yeah, she's always looked that way too.
joe rogan
Hold on, I can't hear the question.
ari shaffir
Sorry.
unidentified
...the inside drain law. ...the five-month investigation finding that 49 members of Congress and 182 senior congressional staffers have violated the stock act, the inside drain law. I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that. And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks? No, I don't know to the second one.
ari shaffir
Pause, pause, pause, pause.
Hold on.
You can tell when she goes to her drink, she's like, oh, I'm going to be talking for a while.
Right now, I knew this was going to come up.
tony hinchcliffe
Let's sip a water from a professional speaker who's definitely hydrated enough for the day.
ari shaffir
She starts shaking.
It's like right there, like, oh boy.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Let me hear this.
Give me some volume.
Okay, go ahead.
unidentified
And the T-flake.
What?
We have a responsibility to report on the stock, but I'm not familiar with that five-month review.
But if people aren't reporting, they should be.
Because this is a free market and people...
We are a free market economy.
They should be able to participate in that.
ari shaffir
She's telling why her husband should be able to invest in stuff that she knows about.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a person look more nervous?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was the long sip, the gulp, afterwards, and the immediate shake.
Go back to like minute, like second, ten.
As soon as he starts.
tony hinchcliffe
She also licks her teeth before taking the sip.
joe rogan
Okay, let me see this.
unidentified
I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that?
And secondly, should members of Congress and their houses be banned from trading individual stocks while serving in Congress?
No, no to the second one.
nancy pelosi
We have a responsibility to report on the stock, but I'm not familiar with that five-month review.
unidentified
But if people aren't reporting, they should be.
joe rogan
Look at her eyes.
unidentified
Because this is a free market and people...
We're a free market economy that should be able to participate in that.
ari shaffir
She already thinks what she's doing is completely right.
She's like, no, this is how we make cash.
unidentified
I don't think so.
ari shaffir
No way.
We're doing it.
joe rogan
I think that's why she gave such a simplistic answer.
She's giving this very simplistic, almost vague answer.
Because should you be allowed...
To participate in the stock market when you're influencing the direction of the stock, or when you know which direction something's going to go in, or when you're going to pass a law to benefit these businesses that's going to force the stock to go up.
And you know that, so you invest a shit ton of money before it happens.
That seems...
ari shaffir
No one else is allowed to do that.
joe rogan
That seems like it's a problem.
Now, why is that not a problem?
Because we're fucking co-opted.
ari shaffir
Because I would also abuse it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's like the coach of a team.
ari shaffir
Of course they would.
joe rogan
What I was saying earlier, it's like the most tempting thing to do in a league.
ari shaffir
You wouldn't do it.
The rest of us would do it.
tony hinchcliffe
Like we found out Pete Rose was betting on and against his teams when he was playing for the team.
That's sort of the same thing.
joe rogan
Well, the against for sure is.
The against is the problem.
The against is the problem.
If you're betting on your team, I don't give a fuck.
I'm like, good, you should bet on your team.
When I hear like a fighter bets like a million dollars in like some sort of a side bet on himself, I'm like, fucking yeah, why not, man?
If he really thinks he can win that much, who gives a shit?
Makes it more exciting.
ari shaffir
The only problem with Pete Rose betting on his team is when we finally made it It was like he would throw in closers for no reason, wasting them for the next game.
So he'd finish off a six-run lead.
He was like, let fucking Mariano finish it out anyway.
People were like, oh, that's weird.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So he made decisions that weren't wise.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
To ensure one win over the others.
joe rogan
Right.
If you were just being a manager.
But I don't know.
Is that Monday morning quarterbacking, though?
ari shaffir
Borderline.
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
I'm all down for people betting on themselves.
But when you bet against yourself, that means you're going to not play hard because you want to win money.
You're going to do things on accident that are on purpose.
You're going to fuck up on purpose.
You can't do that.
That's illegal.
That should be illegal.
But that's so different.
That's like, you know, you've got to think of all the other people that are gambling, too.
You know, you're fucking over a lot of people.
Like, if all the people think that you're going to win, and you're like, for sure I'm not going to win.
ari shaffir
Everyone I know, don't think I'm going to win because for sure I'm not.
joe rogan
But how much can a baseball player or a coach really influence how a game goes?
They can definitely have a big impact on it.
ari shaffir
Percentages.
joe rogan
Percentages.
ari shaffir
Baseball less than most, right?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I don't know enough about it, but I would imagine if you were a coach and you have a roster of someone who's in the Yankees, pretty much they're all superstars, right?
I mean, if you get that far with the athletes of today, if you have whatever you have, 10, 15 players, I gotta think those guys are all animals.
You don't get to be a major league player unless you're a top flight athlete.
It's too lucrative of a job.
Too many guys want it.
So how much influence can a manager have?
How much do you think?
50%?
ari shaffir
40%?
joe rogan
30%?
ari shaffir
Football the most, would you say?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Baseball some, you're setting up a lineup, but if one guy's like, hey, I feel a little tight, instead of going like, alright, we'll want it, he's like, let's sit you out today.
tony hinchcliffe
You can also, they signal to the third base coach straight to the player to take a pitch, fucking, you know.
ari shaffir
So you do that a little more.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, definitely.
ari shaffir
It's not the only game you're gambling on.
It's over a season, you'll help them win a lot.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting?
It's like fighting has always been thought of as a sport where people throw fights.
It's always been an issue.
You know, that was always the thing that haunted Sonny Liston in the second fight he had with Muhammad Ali.
Because Muhammad Ali dropped him with this like Real short right hand and a lot of people they call it the phantom punch, but it definitely was a punch.
Like you see Liston's head sink in like a guy will sometimes when they get KO'd.
You definitely see it.
There's a thing that happens when a guy gets hit on a jaw where you see the way his head sort of sinks in and Liston's head definitely sinks in, which means that Ali connected.
But the acting after he went down was so ridiculous.
Like you could tell he wasn't really trying to get up.
He was like pretending he was trying to get up.
It was acting.
So it's like he definitely got hit with a punch, but in my opinion, he stayed down.
And I think there was probably a bet.
Because Liston was deep ties to the mob, wound up being a doorman at mob-owned casinos, and died on drugs.
It's a really sad story.
But at one point in time, Sonny Liston was like the scariest guy on the fucking planet until Ali beat him.
And then Ali, when he was fighting him a second time, he hit him with just one punch.
Watch it.
Let's play it.
So he's moving and he had just lit listing up in the first fight.
Look at this.
Right here.
Bam!
See that?
That's a real punch.
Back that up again.
People say that's a phantom punch.
No fucking way.
That's a real punch.
You can see it.
Watch.
Look at this.
Right hand over the top.
Boom!
unidentified
See that?
joe rogan
Perfect.
Perfect punch.
On the jaw.
But now here's where it gets weird.
Watch it again.
One more time.
So if you see Ali moving, I mean, Ali was a master.
Look at that timing.
Who the fuck else could do that in the heavyweight division before him?
tony hinchcliffe
He's got his opponent coming in and he's counter-punching.
joe rogan
But the way he did this is fucking beautiful, man.
If you can appreciate how hard it is to do that, the way he did that to Sonny...
No, no, no.
Play it back.
Hold on.
jamie vernon
That was just showing the punch.
That wasn't showing afterwards.
joe rogan
We need to see afterwards.
Because afterwards is when he's laying down and he's pretending he can't get up.
Maybe he couldn't get up.
But for me, I'm like, I don't know about this.
Like, I'm looking at him.
You see that?
Like, that seemed like acting.
Like, for sure he got hit.
But there's just something about it that just doesn't sit right with me.
It didn't seem like a guy normally looks.
ari shaffir
Wait, they didn't do the count?
joe rogan
No, the referee was trying to figure out what the fuck's happened and whether or not he stopped it.
ari shaffir
He said the corner said it was 10 seconds, but he didn't count them.
They just did it from the corner back then?
joe rogan
I don't know.
This is very confusing.
I forgot that that whole thing had happened after that.
ari shaffir
He did get up.
joe rogan
That Ali went after him again.
And Ali went after him again.
tony hinchcliffe
When the fighter goes down and the ref has trouble getting the guy to the neutral corner, the timekeeper is supposed to count.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're not supposed to go resume fighting again.
So that's why it's confusing.
tony hinchcliffe
I think he goes over.
He's going over to literally hear from the timekeeper that it was 10 seconds.
unidentified
I thought you got to count it out loud to give the guy a chance to get up if he wants to get up at 8. But look, Liston starts moving towards Ali, and Ali wrecks him.
joe rogan
And Liston doesn't fire at Ali at all.
There's something about it, man.
But the thing about it, the thing that makes me feel weird is watching him get up.
Do the part where you're watching him get up again.
See, I know this is a real punch.
Bam!
Look at it.
It's a beautiful punch.
But now watch this.
There's something about him laying there with his arms over his head and he's rolling around.
Now watch this.
Falls back down, that part right there?
I'm not buying that part right there.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, your hands don't naturally go that way above your head.
joe rogan
That's where I'm not buying it, where it goes all the way to his back again.
But it could be.
It could be.
Because he did get punched.
And he did get punched by one of the greatest fighters in the history of fighting.
It could be, but it's something about it.
It feels fishy.
And then the rumor was that he took a dive.
And so all the people that had bet on Liston, oh my god, it became chaos.
ari shaffir
That's like the only reason they lost.
joe rogan
And he also developed a reputation as a guy who threw a fight.
Because they called it the Phantom Punch.
But it wasn't a Phantom Punch.
It's a good fucking punch.
But it's like, there's something funky going on, and people know when something funky's going on.
Like, if you watch when George Foreman fought Floyd Patterson.
Watch that fight.
There's not a question in the world what the fuck happened.
George Foreman went out and destroyed Floyd Patterson.
Nobody thought, Floyd Patterson took a fucking dive.
Because you can tell the difference.
You can see the difference.
The thing is, you don't always see the difference.
ari shaffir
If they're good.
joe rogan
There's moments where a guy cracks a guy and it doesn't even make sense.
Maybe the guy has a previous injury.
Maybe he got knocked out in training and he got hit and knocked out way too easy.
But you see things that don't seem real sometimes, but they definitely are.
tony hinchcliffe
Like dehydrated?
joe rogan
There was a guy named Marvin Eastman.
Marvin Eastman was a tank.
Oh my god.
Just a fucking specimen.
And he fought Travis Luter.
And he fought Travis Luter.
And Travis Luter knocked him out with a punch.
But when you watch the knockout, it almost kind of doesn't make sense.
Like he hit him.
He hit him for sure.
He hit him clean.
But the way he hit him, he just went completely unconscious, like instantly.
And it turned out the word was that he had gotten knocked out in training, which happens all the time.
I think he was sparring Tito Ortiz was the rumor.
I'm sorry if I got this wrong.
But if you watch the fight and you watch the KO, you're like, wow, that's weird.
It's not that Travis can't punch.
He definitely can punch.
It's just the way it happened.
Show that fight.
There's things that look odd.
And you go, well, is that odd because it's just some weird moment where a guy had been injured already?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I never thought Connor punching out Aldo seemed like it was that vicious a punch.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that was perfect.
ari shaffir
But it didn't seem like brutal strength.
tony hinchcliffe
When someone's coming in, it just doesn't get any better than that.
Which is what's interesting about that.
Muhammad Ali takes two big steps back and he's bringing him in and then he counter punches.
So he's bringing him in sort of double.
joe rogan
Not only that, he's bringing him in like this.
He's got his hand like this and he goes around his hand.
And he punches him in the chin.
He's moving around and as Liston comes at him, he brings his hand up and around Liston's hand before Liston can even withdraw his hand and cover and cracks him on the chin.
It was a beautiful punch.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Connor Aldo, same thing.
It's like right to left, just straight across while he's coming forward.
Makes his head spin.
joe rogan
The fact that Aldo was so hell-bent on destroying Connor.
He just was hell-bent.
And Connor took advantage of that.
tony hinchcliffe
It was immediate.
ari shaffir
Remember that?
It was like, here we go, big fight.
And they were like, what?
It's over immediately?
unidentified
Smart.
tony hinchcliffe
It's like when Nate slaps somebody and then...
joe rogan
It was genius.
But this was a powerful punch.
Look at that.
Boom!
Bang!
Bang!
First of all, you've got to realize it's perfectly placed.
The accuracy is impeccable.
Second of all, some people can just crack.
And if you look at Conor's build, there's a lot of guys built like that that can fucking crack.
ari shaffir
I want to see it in slow motion still.
joe rogan
He's got real wide shoulders.
He's real fast.
And he's got big hands.
Like all those things together.
He's just got that freakish punch.
There's just people that just have that kind of punch, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
joe rogan
I mean, that's just genius.
ari shaffir
Left foot gets hit afterwards, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a little bit of a cut over his right eyebrow.
ari shaffir
From that punch?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
From Aldo's one hook.
ari shaffir
Fall down punch?
joe rogan
Look how genius this is.
Look at this.
Bam!
That's so genius.
unidentified
You know what's even more genius?
joe rogan
He worked on the exact thing and he mimicked what he was going to do in the green room.
There's video of him.
ari shaffir
Of who?
joe rogan
Connor.
Connor pretending to be Aldo and then him showing what he's going to do in counter.
He does the exact move in the green room, in the dressing room, knowing that that's going to be the fight.
tony hinchcliffe
Reminds me of Masvidal Askren.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Same thing.
He practiced that step off to the side.
ari shaffir
It was a great one.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, it really is when you factor in that it gave his career a total.
joe rogan
Look on the left.
That's Conor pretending to be Aldo, and this is him.
Bam.
Look, see?
He's literally saying how it's going to go down.
He's walking how Aldo does, and boom.
ari shaffir
I want to see both sides now.
Wait, let me see.
Okay.
joe rogan
Look at this.
I mean, it's literally what he did.
He practiced it.
He predicted it was happening.
He knew Aldo's movements.
He had it timed down, and he's like much more light on the foot, and as Aldo moves forward, he times it perfectly.
Bam!
Look at that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, with the right?
joe rogan
Dude, that left hand is a missile too.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
That left hand's a missile.
He's one of the most spectacular punchers in the history of the sport.
He has some punch KO victories.
ari shaffir
Who?
unidentified
Conor.
joe rogan
His one when he beat Eddie Alvarez.
Show that.
You want to see fucking genius striking with the hands?
It's genius shit.
Like, you can see, Eddie Alvarez just got bewildered by it.
I mean, the combinations he hit him with, while just subtly avoiding Alvarez's punches, genius shit.
Genius.
ari shaffir
Dude, I used to love rooting against him.
He was such a good heel, too.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
ari shaffir
He used to cheer for Diaz.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, totally.
ari shaffir
Fuck that guy!
joe rogan
He's the best heel ever.
ari shaffir
He got everybody into it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the best heel ever.
unidentified
Fuck.
ari shaffir
We were like, fuck, I hope you got your comeuppance.
He just never would.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you, when you watch this combination, it's fucking, watch the, it's, look at the sidekick to the body.
I mean, he's hitting him with all kinds of shit, and he's so light on his feet.
Like, this is prime Conor, in my opinion.
Just so light on his feet.
Look at these combinations.
Watch this.
Just getting just out of the way.
Like, Eddie can't touch him.
He hit him there, though.
But it's Conor just looking for the opening.
Boom!
unidentified
Clips him.
joe rogan
That's one.
Clips him.
Knees of the body.
You know, people get all wrapped up in all the personality and the flash and the money and all the Rolls Royces and everything.
That motherfucker could fight!
He could fight!
And guys have beat them, but you gotta be like an elite of the elite.
You gotta be like a Khabib or a Poirier.
You got to be top of the food chain to beat him.
unidentified
Let's fight in Irish.
joe rogan
Go towards the end of this.
I just wanted the final combo.
unidentified
This is what I wanted.
joe rogan
Because the finish of this fight is legendary.
It's like in highlight reels all over the place.
Look at this.
Look at that combo.
Look at that combo.
Show me that again.
Watch this.
Look at this.
unidentified
He just slides in on him.
joe rogan
Boom, boom, boom.
I mean, come on, man.
She slides just out of the way of the punch.
Lands.
Four, five ruthless punches.
Perfectly placed.
Let me see it one more time.
Look at this.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
It actually touches his chin.
He doesn't even flinch.
One, two.
Three.
The accuracy.
tony hinchcliffe
Full punches.
joe rogan
Four.
And just swarms on them.
And perfect placement, right?
There's no extra wind-up that would have made a miss.
Look at this.
Bing, bing, bing, bang.
Look at me.
That's fucking...
That's amazing.
unidentified
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
He goes from fine to cut up.
joe rogan
Bro, that's an amazing combination.
That's an amazing combination.
ari shaffir
What happened to him?
joe rogan
Got fucking fights, man.
Fights happened to him.
And then also a shit ton of money.
And then also some time out of the game while he was doing the Floyd Mayweather thing.
He trained for quite a while for Floyd Mayweather, which he was, I'm sure, just doing boxing.
If you're going to train for a giant $100 million fight, you're most likely not going to do any MMA sparring or anything.
He probably just did that for a while.
And then you get that money.
What's that Marvin Hagler quote about it's hard to get up at 5 in the morning and go running when you're sleeping in silk sheets?
I think that's him now.
He's super jacked.
USADA's got to take it.
Wait, that's Connor?
tony hinchcliffe
Right now?
unidentified
Oh, dude, he looks like he's about to go WWF. Yeah, he looks like a bodybuilder from the 70s.
joe rogan
It's a weird picture, honestly.
I mean, he's definitely jacked, but it looks to me like he's in the middle of lifting.
And if you see a guy's body in the middle of lifting, it's a little deceptive.
See, that's what he looks like now.
He's still jacked.
He still looks great.
But when you lift weights, like as you do it, like those bodybuilders that go on stage before those big Mr. Olympio things, they all get pumped.
ari shaffir
Olympioid.
That's a great term for it.
joe rogan
Look at him.
He looks good though.
tony hinchcliffe
Whoa.
ari shaffir
He looks so old now.
tony hinchcliffe
He looks different.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got that crazy beard.
That beard's crazy.
But he looks fit.
ari shaffir
Is he tucking up his shorts to let his dick come out?
joe rogan
He's got a hog, I bet.
ari shaffir
I bet.
joe rogan
I bet he's got a hog.
ari shaffir
Why are you talking about shorts?
joe rogan
He looks like he's walking around on that shin.
I wonder what percentage healed it is.
You've got to feel like if a bone breaks in half like that, and then you get a metal plate to hold it in place, and all these screws and shit, that's got to take a while.
tony hinchcliffe
Tiger Woods is back.
He's hitting golf balls again.
He just posted on Instagram him smashing the ball.
I heard.
He talked about how his leg almost got amputated.
ari shaffir
Amputated.
What happened to him?
tony hinchcliffe
A car accident.
A massive car accident.
joe rogan
Didn't he go off a cliff or some shit?
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
unidentified
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Not really like a cliff cliff, but like a...
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Like a...
What's that called?
joe rogan
Like a ravine.
tony hinchcliffe
Ditch.
joe rogan
When was this?
ari shaffir
How long ago was this?
tony hinchcliffe
February?
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Serious accident.
ari shaffir
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like there's this car at the bottom of this ditch.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Damn!
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And he almost lost his legs?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And the bottom left one was for the cheating.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the bottom left one's the cheating one, yeah.
joe rogan
That was different.
Different kind of accident.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Different kind of accident.
Which one cost him more?
joe rogan
This accident, they think, was a result of him actually just losing control of the vehicle.
Maybe he was going too fast.
Is that what they think?
ari shaffir
Was he with anybody?
tony hinchcliffe
It seems like he lost consciousness is the overall report that I think I read.
There was no skid marks.
He could have been tired.
He could have had low blood sugar.
He just golfed in Florida.
It was hot.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
ari shaffir
What does he say?
I heard after a concussion you can lose like a minute or two of your memory.
Or like right before something happens.
You don't have it anymore.
joe rogan
Huh.
Well, if he actually fell asleep at the wheel, like, oh, fuck.
That can happen to people, man, though.
That's unfortunate.
Like, fainting's a real thing.
ari shaffir
You think you're trying to commit suicide?
Not high enough.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Not high enough.
No.
Guys like that don't try to kill themselves.
ari shaffir
They just do better.
joe rogan
They come back and say, fuck you.
They show you.
They win everything.
tony hinchcliffe
And I think that's what he's going to do.
ari shaffir
He's not going to do it.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's going to be crazy.
ari shaffir
He's already said, I'm not.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's what he says.
He also said that after the...
Everything.
He's been through everything, and this freak keeps coming back.
joe rogan
My buddy Kyle Kalinske is a serious Tiger Woods fan, and he sent me these stats.
He goes, look at this.
Look at the winning stats.
Have you seen the winning stats?
jamie vernon
I mean, it depends on which stat you want to look at.
joe rogan
I'll show you the thing that he sent me because it's just so crazy.
ari shaffir
He was unstoppable.
I used to have a bet him against the field in every major, and I was behind at some point, and I was ahead, but it was anybody's game.
Him or everybody else combined.
tony hinchcliffe
On any given day.
ari shaffir
Remember when you thought there was no way he wouldn't break Nicholas's record?
tony hinchcliffe
Like he was done.
Not only was he beating people, but the way the golf scores he was beating people, it would be the equivalent if a basketball team won like 500 to 45. He could moonwalk the entire back nine.
ari shaffir
It was so far ahead.
joe rogan
Alright, here it is.
I found it, Jamie.
I'm going to send it to you right now.
tony hinchcliffe
You watch that crazy documentary HBO made about him?
ari shaffir
No.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, jeez Louise.
First, it's a two-part documentary.
The first part, they just talk about what a freak he is and how great he is and how much better than everybody that's ever done it he is and how he changed the game forever.
And the second one just talks about how he loves pussy.
I mean, he just can't get enough.
joe rogan
Look at that win percentage.
ari shaffir
Of what?
Highest percentage?
joe rogan
Isn't that insane?
ari shaffir
Wait, he won every five?
joe rogan
Look how much better he is than everybody.
ari shaffir
God damn!
joe rogan
He's so much better than everybody.
That is proof, right?
If there's ever a proof of who's the best.
That's proof.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the best proof you're ever going to see.
ari shaffir
Oh, 1983 to 2021. How wild is that?
What was Nicholas' winning record in Palmer's?
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
Let me check.
ari shaffir
Interesting.
joe rogan
You could be fairly out of shape and win at that.
ari shaffir
He made people care about golf.
Nobody cared about it besides golfers before.
joe rogan
But he was never out of shape.
He was like the first guy that I remember seeing where I looked at him like, well, that guy could probably do any sport.
tony hinchcliffe
Well...
joe rogan
Are there other guys like that?
ari shaffir
He wasn't Big Big.
joe rogan
I don't follow the game.
So if someone makes it onto TV, it's usually like Jack Nicklaus.
tony hinchcliffe
It's extremely mental.
It's a ridiculously mental game.
Like John Daly is, you know, a big guy, drinks, has fun, smokes cigarettes, drinks Diet Coke while playing, and he, you know...
joe rogan
So Tiger has the most wins by far.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
By almost 20. But Ben Hogan has 64. He's tied with Sam Snead.
jamie vernon
The wins aren't in order.
It's a win percentage.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
But Hogan's still pretty good, man.
Look at that.
Hogan won 21% of the time.
ari shaffir
Damn.
But these are all-time greats ever.
joe rogan
Oh, all-time greats.
I obviously have never played golf, but all my friends who play golf and pool all say golf is harder.
Really?
Yeah, golf is way harder.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's crazy.
ari shaffir
You're playing against so many other people.
tony hinchcliffe
And so many different things.
The elements, sand, wind, grass.
joe rogan
You have to factor in this feel thing.
I see when these guys are making these shots, and they're sitting there on their knees and trying to figure out which way the ground rolls, and they have to figure that out and time it perfectly.
Why is that so satisfying?
Someone was trying to bring that up, whether that was a hunting thing.
Who brought that up?
tony hinchcliffe
I can tell you.
It's like a hike, but you have something to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, but someone was saying there's something about the accuracy.
We are obsessed with accuracy.
We're obsessed with getting a ball into a net, or a ball into a hole, or an arrow into the center of the target.
We're obsessed with accuracy.
And they think it has something to do with hunting.
ari shaffir
I like it.
tony hinchcliffe
That makes sense.
joe rogan
It totally does, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Envisioning hitting a target and then hitting it and you feed your family.
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Totally makes sense.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why else would we be so invested in someone who could throw a ball over a plate?
ari shaffir
Knock down some pins.
Knock down some pheasants or whatever.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow, I never thought of it that way.
That makes total sense.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They think that's one of the factors that led to us becoming people, from lower hominids to people.
They think the throwing arm was one of the major factors.
They're always trying to pin it on one thing, like the mushroom people want to think it's one thing, and the meat people want to think it's like cooking meat over fire, but I have a feeling it was all those things.
I think it was a bunch of shit together that turned us into people, but one of them, they think for sure, was we figured out our ability to throw things.
tony hinchcliffe
Do you ever throw things?
I can't even picture you.
I can picture you kicking, but I can't picture you throwing anything.
joe rogan
No, I mean, I never was like a pitcher or anything.
tony hinchcliffe
You shoot like paper balls into trash cans sometimes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Kobe.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm not good.
Like, I lose at horse to my kids.
I play basketball.
I lose a horse to my kids with an 11-year-old sticks in my face, like, ha-ha!
I'm like, shit!
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
It's fun, though.
tony hinchcliffe
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
I'm terrible at basketball.
Yeah.
But I don't practice it.
If I play basketball three times a year.
But the thing is, they don't like to play with me after an hour and a half, because then I start to get a feel for it.
unidentified
Now I know where that ball is.
tony hinchcliffe
Adjustments have It's been made.
joe rogan
And they start finding out where that hole is.
ari shaffir
They're like, alright, second half.
We'll see.
joe rogan
We'll see what happens.
tony hinchcliffe
I do that with my wrist.
It seems to be more accurate.
joe rogan
But imagine doing that and then moving and someone's trying to block you and then you're shooting at the same time.
Jesus Christ.
But we're obsessed with that.
ari shaffir
Golf scene's impossible.
When you break it down, there's a small ball there.
I'm going to take a stick.
No.
Zero chance to ever make that.
joe rogan
Crazy.
What a wacky game.
tony hinchcliffe
And you also, you know, the more you find out about it, the crazier it gets, because you have to do your backswing, and then everything falls into motion.
It's not even like you're hitting the ball with a stick.
Your hips are turning first, your arms are coming second, your wrists are coming third.
You have to remember to follow through.
You have to keep your head exactly where it was when you started, or else you're going to hit below the ball or above the ball, which is a freaking embarrassing nightmare.
joe rogan
It's like when you mess up a break shot on pool, right?
That can happen.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, and it can be completely embarrassing.
There's so many funny golf Instagram pages and stuff.
ari shaffir
They're the best.
tony hinchcliffe
They really are, and you can almost guarantee that...
Everyone's a hit.
joe rogan
What is this?
unidentified
Michael Jordan talking about.
For a competitive person like me, this is what keeps me sane, you know, because when I walk away from the game of basketball, you know, that was enough to keep my competitive juices working.
Absolutely.
Now when I don't have that game, this game, and it even drives me crazy then.
Now I go fishing in between my golf because I got to show patience in fishing that's going to be relative to golf.
joe rogan
So he just plays golf like that's his life now.
ari shaffir
That's what he loves.
joe rogan
That's his competitive life.
Are you texting people while the show's going?
ari shaffir
I'm sending this to Jamie.
tony hinchcliffe
Son of a bitch, he's texting.
joe rogan
He's been on that phone for five minutes.
I'm finally going to check his Instagram likes.
Did Instagram ban you?
ari shaffir
Instagram did ban me.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
ari shaffir
Hate speech.
Too much hate speech, they said.
tony hinchcliffe
They're changing what hate speech is.
joe rogan
Tell everybody what happened.
ari shaffir
One of them was my tour posters.
I let my fans do.
Rename my tour, if it makes me laugh.
tony hinchcliffe
Genius, by the way.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really- Rules are rules.
ari shaffir
Bet's a bet.
joe rogan
It's a great idea.
ari shaffir
Thanks.
joe rogan
You post them, and they're funny, and you allow people to get their name out there, like people do graphic art.
ari shaffir
One of them was the Wrong Side of History tour.
unidentified
Great, okay.
ari shaffir
I can name it.
That's a good, solid tour name.
The next one was the Hitler Gave Me Gonorrhea tour.
And it's just a picture of Hitler with his hand over me.
joe rogan
Was that a problem?
They had a problem with that one?
unidentified
Hate speech!
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
They're both hate speech?
ari shaffir
That was hate speech.
joe rogan
The first one was too?
ari shaffir
The first one was not hate speech.
The first one was okay.
joe rogan
But that one was hate speech.
ari shaffir
Hate speech.
They don't like Hitler.
They don't like mentions of Hitler.
joe rogan
But if you're a Jew, shouldn't you get a pass?
ari shaffir
Joe, you're asking a great question.
I think you should.
joe rogan
I think you should get a pass.
It's like if I make Guinea jokes, if I make jokes about Italian people, I get a pass on that.
Those are my people.
ari shaffir
I think also, even if you're not, if you said, Hitler gave me gonorrhea, you're clearly the shit-on person in that joke.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
No matter what you are.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's funny.
ari shaffir
You could be a German and it would still apply.
joe rogan
Yeah, Hitler gave me gonorrhea is a funny thing to say.
ari shaffir
I'm not saying the Holocaust was good?
No, exactly.
tony hinchcliffe
And you're not saying that you gave Hitler gonorrhea.
You're not saying that you performed a sexual act on him.
ari shaffir
I'm the one who got gonorrhea.
joe rogan
I'll do you one better.
He's not even saying Hitler gave me gonorrhea.
He's saying it's funny to say Hitler gave me gonorrhea.
ari shaffir
That's the second level of it.
I'm forced to say this bad thing.
joe rogan
Don't you understand that this is just fun and this is not a real thing?
You can't say this is hate speech.
This is a silly nonsense thing to say.
It has nothing to do with hate.
ari shaffir
It's not true.
It's funny to name your tour after this ridiculous thing.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
Now I have to.
So the idea that everyone would think, oh, that's your tour name now?
joe rogan
Calling that hate speech is so uncreative.
It's so...
ari shaffir
I don't even know what the rules are anymore!
tony hinchcliffe
I'm right on the line.
I'm right about to be there.
ari shaffir
You feel it.
You got some warnings.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, big, big warnings.
They're literally like, this is your last.
But not my main account, but the Kill Tony account.
Literally only because of the word kill.
Because it says Kill Tony.
ari shaffir
And you can't reach anybody.
You'll be like, hey, just mark this as safe, please.
tony hinchcliffe
The name of the show.
Of a comedy show.
Because there might be a Tony out there that feels like they're threatened.
ari shaffir
Wow.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Someone's saying that doctors are leaving cards.
There was some example of a card on the desk saying you can opt out if you don't want to be weighed.
ari shaffir
Weighed?
What do you mean?
joe rogan
If you have to get weighed at the doctor's office, they weigh you.
unidentified
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
You can opt out if you're embarrassed about it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
My.
God.
joe rogan
Imagine a doctor is going to do an exam on you.
One of the most important things.
ari shaffir
Your weight?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Whether or not you're obese.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, they should tell you.
They're in charge of your health.
ari shaffir
They really should.
Is it privileged that you get to go in there and, like, that's your moment?
Like, no, I get to see exactly what I weigh.
I'm always like, sweet.
For the next, like, few weeks, I can tell people precisely.
joe rogan
Yeah, you move that little scale, you get it right on there.
ari shaffir
The real one, there's no, like, this might be off.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like you're in wrestling class.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no fucking reason why that.
You would ever stop doing that.
You have to weigh people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's how you know progress.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if someone's on a diet and they're cleaning up their life and they're getting healthy, what's one of the best indicators?
You can weigh them.
I mean, you shouldn't be obsessed on any one thing.
Yeah, you should just try to be healthy.
But if you used to be 500 pounds and now you're 400 pounds, that's a good thing.
ari shaffir
And vice versa means something you should concentrate on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wait.
ari shaffir
Kill.
Every time.
unidentified
Kill.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Kill Tony.
Just calling it the name is a problem.
ari shaffir
And they're going to ban the thing.
You're going to have to call it KT. K-Tony.
tony hinchcliffe
Basically, yeah.
Those are the adjustments that we have to make to the post.
joe rogan
The KC show.
ari shaffir
That sounds so much lamer.
Oh, my God.
That sounds like morning radio.
unidentified
We're so lost.
tony hinchcliffe
One thing we've realized is that if you just turn the eye into an exclamation point or like little dumb things that is just, you have to show some effort, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's weird and creepy.
unidentified
Sigh.
ari shaffir
It's an effort to be like, no one who follows you or sees this is going to get it wrong.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And that's another thing, is these people are following you.
So it's like, you should be entrusted with whatever, you could lose followers.
That should be the punishment.
ari shaffir
That's what I always thought when I posted my, first time I got banned, posted a dump.
And they're like, you're gone.
And I'm like, let them unfollow me.
They're doing it in droves.
Let them do it.
It's disgusting.
But don't take me away from the people who are like, I don't mind.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is you could show up in their algorithm.
I'm still just a dump.
And then you get suggested.
Now you love dumps.
ari shaffir
Now you're just getting dump pictures?
joe rogan
Do you ever look into when you're searching and you just find things?
ari shaffir
There should be a way to mark, yeah, there should be a way to mark, say, this is only for people on my feed.
This one's not, this one's sensitive.
joe rogan
That's good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would be a good way.
ari shaffir
Don't let it out.
joe rogan
That would be a good way to do it.
ari shaffir
You ever see one of those, like, bomb videos going off and it's always, like, blurry?
And you're like, hey, careful.
And so you click on it.
Have those, let me set it.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or animal attack videos or some shit.
ari shaffir
With my new fucking account.
How do you promote your thing without a fucking thing?
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's hard.
You gotta stop showing your shit, son.
ari shaffir
That wasn't this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then there was a Jesus fucking Christ door and it was a picture of me fucking me.
And they're like, yeah.
But no nudity.
joe rogan
It's just, you know, don't put them in the suggestion column.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, help us out.
joe rogan
You know, like suggested for you or whatever it is.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
tony hinchcliffe
But then again, if the people are into that type of thing, why can't they get it?
ari shaffir
Why can't they get it?
It's not hurting anybody.
Why can't they get that?
tony hinchcliffe
Why is one sense of humor better or different than another?
ari shaffir
It's not even a right-wing, left-wing thing.
joe rogan
I think there's certain people where if they had to look at your shit, it would not be a pleasant experience.
ari shaffir
That's fair.
Let's move on past the shit.
Because I admit some fault in that one.
It was a particularly bloody shit.
It wasn't just a normal shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it was?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
It was like gummy-like.
joe rogan
Ari has bloody shits.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was bad.
I'll find it for you later.
It was bad.
Like, it doesn't make sense.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there should be a...
I don't know why they don't, right?
Is it a financial decision?
Is it a social engineering decision?
ari shaffir
They want everyone to be the same.
They want one fucking...
Everyone the same so they can market the same to everyone with the least amount of effort.
Let us...
We're all different.
Let us have our different experiences.
joe rogan
But here's another thing that we have to make a concession about, or at least talk about.
It's like, who's responsible for when you hear about kids getting fucked up from social media, like particularly girls...
ari shaffir
This shouldn't be on there!
joe rogan
...how it fucks up their stuff, but they're gonna be.
Everybody's on there.
They're all gonna be on it.
Like, who's responsible?
And what do they do to stop things that could possibly bite them in the ass?
Like, are they making decisions that are financial decisions?
Like, are they looking at people putting up fucked up things like that and go, hey, we could get sued, or we can get taken down, or people could write articles about how we won't...
And then our stock could drop.
I mean, is that what they're doing?
ari shaffir
Some of it, because it's not one person.
It's a conglomerate of people who just want dividends.
That's why there's always forest fires here, because PG&E is like, eh, we've got to give shareholder dividends.
So, same thing here.
They won't do it.
But the reality is, if they know they're leading people to suicide, shut the whole thing down.
Until you figure out how to do it without that.
joe rogan
I have a friend who works for a big media company, and we were having this conversation, and she was saying that a lot of the people that work there also consider themselves activists.
ari shaffir
Because they're doing social change.
joe rogan
That's what they think.
ari shaffir
They're concentrating on their own good.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not just thinking about their job.
They're thinking about the fact that they could enact change in the world.
ari shaffir
You're making people upset about things all over the country and the world to do nothing.
You're just filling us up with anxiety and fear.
joe rogan
You're right.
ari shaffir
For nothing.
You're not an activist.
You're ruining everybody's life.
joe rogan
You understand why, if everybody accepts that definition, they actually think they are because they get involved in social issues and they spread emails and they have meetings.
ari shaffir
I get it, but you're doing it wrong.
You're doing it wrong.
Well, everyone's less happy.
Everybody out there is less happy.
And everybody feels it.
They're doing it wrong.
Make them do it right so we're not all fucking hating our brothers.
It's dumb.
It's clearly fucking us all up.
joe rogan
It is, but it's interesting.
ari shaffir
Everybody's at each other's throats.
It's terrible, and they're doing it.
unidentified
Stop it!
ari shaffir
You can't do that shit!
None of us signed up for that.
It's bullshit.
We all feel less happy.
joe rogan
All of us.
ari shaffir
Tell me I'm wrong.
From 10 years ago to now.
joe rogan
What do you suggest?
ari shaffir
I'm saying they're hurting all of us and we didn't give them permission to do that!
joe rogan
In what way?
ari shaffir
We're in there hating each other.
The way we turn against our neighbors now.
That's all new.
The way we're like, I don't talk to my mom anywhere because she voted this way.
That's crazy!
That was never a thing.
They're doing that to us!
And we signed up under the idea that we're sharing pictures of our fucking food and then they turned each other on each other!
unidentified
It's awful!
tony hinchcliffe
You eat your bloody shit?
ari shaffir
We never signed up for this.
I know you can't exist without Facebook.
joe rogan
You can't be a mom without that.
What do you think they're doing?
ari shaffir
We're unable to stop.
We're unable to stop.
So if you just put all chemicals in all food without labeling it and be like, well, they keep eating it.
It's like, yeah, you're putting additives in there.
You have to warn us on things like that.
They're testing us.
They're putting us forth the stuff that makes us angry on purpose.
Everybody knows that.
They make you see the stuff that makes you angry.
So then you're living in a world where you're constantly angry.
joe rogan
You, by your own admission...
Change your algorithm by looking at puppies.
ari shaffir
For a moment, because they also tell you, hey, just so you know, two years ago, you also looked at this thing.
So we're going to send you a few reminders there until you get sucked back in on it.
joe rogan
Until you get sucked back in on hate?
ari shaffir
Whatever it is that gets you in there all the time, and mostly, it's fucking anxiety and fear.
I mean, tell me if I'm wrong.
Tell me you don't feel the same way over how you were a while ago.
tony hinchcliffe
You're 100% right.
ari shaffir
We're all doing better.
joe rogan
You're 100% right, but here's my question.
Is it us?
Are we doing it to ourselves?
Is this a natural function of being a person with too much access to information and you only concentrate on the bad stuff?
Because you get all the news.
You get the whole planet's news.
ari shaffir
But you ever like somebody's picture and then suddenly you start seeing all their pictures way, way more?
They're like, oh, he shows interest in this.
Let's put it forth to him more.
It's the stuff that you're against.
It's the stuff that you're like, oh, I hate that guy.
He got his.
They're going to put that more towards us.
joe rogan
So that's your world.
But it's also because that's what we concentrate on.
ari shaffir
People in New York are fucking hating each other.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I was going to say, maybe they can measure if you're lingering on something.
unidentified
I know, I know.
ari shaffir
Well, fuck that was humans.
And they're using that to make us all less happy.
joe rogan
Right, but it's our own will.
Like, if we have will...
Then the will is we have to collectively agree to stop communicating like that.
ari shaffir
Sure.
I think they should.
But in the meantime, they're making sure you see – remember when Fox News and MSNBC said one-third anti-news and two-thirds pro-news and pro-war and then the other way for the other network?
Just to push people slightly into thinking the war is good or bad.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Right?
They're not showing us everything all at once.
It used to be you would just see your feed.
If you post it, I saw your thing.
If you post it 10 times, I see your 10 things in a row.
Now they don't show everybody everything.
And they're mostly showing you the stuff they know is gonna make you mad.
Jealousy about your friends doing shit.
Other people looking better than you.
So when these girls are looking online, they're seeing these girls that look hotter than them.
They're more showing them that than the normal pictures, which is just them sitting down with their brother.
joe rogan
Right, but Ari, it's because that's what people engage with.
It's not that they're trying to get you mad.
ari shaffir
And they're taking advantage of it.
joe rogan
I agree.
ari shaffir
They know they're doing it now.
Before Philip Morris knew about the cancer, they weren't doing anything wrong.
Once they knew about the cancer, and then they covered it up, at that point, you're killing people.
You're doing terrible things.
You're taking away our happiness.
joe rogan
Okay, so do you suggest— It's nuts!
ari shaffir
In New York, they're looking—they were all on the same liberal side, and everyone's looking for an enemy all the time.
It's like what you said about those girls who watch the fucking crime shows.
They think crime's all around them, and they're only showing us the fucking horrible things.
Way more percentage.
jamie vernon
This is the CEO of Instagram and what they said in a Senate subcommittee.
ari shaffir
About my banning?
joe rogan
Okay, it says, we want people to have meaningful control over their experience.
We've been experimenting with favorites, a way for you to decide whose posts you want to see higher up, and we're working on another option to see posts from people you follow in chronological order that don't take photos of their shit.
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
No, they left that part out.
ari shaffir
And we're working on another option.
joe rogan
I had a chance to talk about this briefly today.
It's important to me that people have meaningful control over their experience, and I believe a place where you can see everything from the accounts you follow in chronological order is an important thing.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And that's how it used to be.
ari shaffir
That's how it used to be.
tony hinchcliffe
Now they'll put something two days ago.
You know what I mean?
Two days ago?
Is something that will pop up?
And I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
All they're trying to do is encourage engagement, right?
Is it bad because it makes you more addicted?
What's bad about it?
ari shaffir
Listen, if their engagement is like, hey, this is a great service.
Come on all you want.
It's Netflix or if it's Spotify even or something like that.
It's like, do you like this service?
Well, it's here for you.
Use it as much as you want.
Use it more.
Fine.
But if they're pushing you to do stuff that's damaging to you in order to get that, then it's like, no, no.
Now it's not fine.
Now it's not just a better product that we're going for.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Now you're fucking experimenting to sell ads.
joe rogan
There's one thing if you can trick somebody eating food that's not healthy for them by a good commercial, but it's another thing.
ari shaffir
They're addicted.
You can't be a mother now without going on a mommy blog, without going on a mommy group to help raise your kid right.
joe rogan
I bet Duncan's wife doesn't.
ari shaffir
If you're not talking to your friends now online, you have to be to keep up as a parent.
Maybe that's true.
joe rogan
I bet Duncan's mom keeps it together.
ari shaffir
I bet she's on there.
It's not just that good stuff.
I bet she is.
joe rogan
I bet she's mommy blogging.
ari shaffir
The mommy blogging part's good.
They still do good stuff.
jamie vernon
I have a question, though.
What?
If they put out an Instagram 2 and said, like, we're going to make some new changes to this new app, do you think people would all migrate to the new app or just stay on the thing they've been using the whole time?
ari shaffir
They have to make it, like, not there anymore.
jamie vernon
Delete it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
Say you have a year to switch over or whatever.
jamie vernon
Six months.
Like, a video game can put out a new...
Like, people are addicted to the games, but the game dies until they put out a new version of it.
But you have to go buy the new version.
Everybody has to buy it again to get re-addicted.
They can't really put out new versions of these apps that everybody's addicted to.
They kind of just have to keep changing it while it's there, while people are still using it.
Yeah.
Or the business dies.
tony hinchcliffe
That idea could be smart, though, having a two, and if you sign up for two, everybody that signs up for Instagram two, that already followed you on Instagram one, just following you on Instagram two, or you could select starting from scratch, perhaps.
Maybe they could give you an option.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
The likes ended up, that's what makes everybody commit suicide, is not getting enough, comparing yourself to other people.
tony hinchcliffe
I also have a little bit of a conspiracy.
joe rogan
But let me ask you this.
Let's say I give Ari the reins to take over a social media platform.
What do you do different?
Do you get rid of all the algorithms?
ari shaffir
Get rid of the algorithms.
I hate being treated like a fucking wallet.
We all sort of hate saying something out loud, nice cigar, and then I know I'm going to get ads now for cigars.
That's all fine, I guess.
It's just for advertising, but you're not changing my mood to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to hear something even weirder?
Blair White told me that she had an app on her phone.
Was it TikTok?
I think it was TikTok.
So she met this girl at the gym.
They were talking at the gym.
They didn't exchange phone numbers.
They didn't exchange texts.
Then all of a sudden, that girl showed up in her feed.
And she said that girl had like 200 followers or something.
ari shaffir
They know you probably have proximity.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
tony hinchcliffe
If your location's on, they know.
jamie vernon
I read something wild about how this works.
Your phone, it's like a number.
It doesn't know who you are, but it knows this number you're attached to.
They can get the data from where your phone is at certain times.
So they assume where you're at from 1 to 4 a.m.
is probably at home.
So they find when you're at a place the most at 1 to 4 a.m.
and can find out exactly where you live.
So then they know who you are based on other data.
ari shaffir
And they know how to send you ads there for a sleep number mattress then.
Which is like bad but not terrible because it's not doing anything to you.
It's just treating you like a wallet you didn't sign up for.
joe rogan
But that's another level when it introduces you to someone that your phone was near.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
joe rogan
That's so creepy.
ari shaffir
You go to someone's profile, and then within a day, you're getting a text, hey, how you been, man?
Just thought about you.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
Our phones are talking to each other.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, this is what's happening.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's artificial intelligence involved, for sure.
But I want to go back to this question.
What else would you do differently?
So you would get rid of the algorithms, and I do think, as much as I like to think that the algorithms can be, you could have willpower, and just only look at interesting things, and you get only interesting things in your feed.
I also know that there's a lot of people that are susceptible to a lot of weird shit in life like that.
ari shaffir
Remember when they said you couldn't market cigarettes to minors anymore?
They stopped Joe Camel, who I know I resemble.
But they were like, hey, that's not fair.
The defense started up and you're going to dick them forever.
That's not fair.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Here's some issues, like teenage girls.
They have a lot of body image issues that come off of these Instagram pages.
So what would be the solution to that?
You can't stop them from posting their pictures, right?
And then girls are always going to compare.
And that's the thing about body types and especially with young girls, a lot of it is just a wild genetic roll of the dice.
You got lucky and you got this amazing body.
That does happen.
And for some girls, it's infuriating and it makes them so jealous and it fills them with anxiety and also gives them weird feelings about their own body.
ari shaffir
And you're supposed to leave that at school and then not think about it while you're at home after that for the next 16 hours.
No, now it's constantly.
joe rogan
Then there's the bullying.
They bully each other.
So, like, they'll pile onto one girl or another girl, and they'll go after each other, and they'll, you know, shame each other.
ari shaffir
Girls are exceptional bullying.
Way better than us.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So, like, if that doesn't stop, the emotional bullying, stop when you get, at least the guys, like, I can't beat you up online, but, like, the girls can do exactly what they do online for 16 hours a day.
joe rogan
But this is the problem with social media and children.
It's like children are not designed for that.
You're designed to learn how to communicate and make friends with a group of people that are around you.
But then when you're sniping at each other late at night with like these evil text messages.
unidentified
Yeah.
Group text messages.
ari shaffir
Do you let your kids have them?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a conversation we should have privately.
ari shaffir
I honestly, I'm not a parent.
joe rogan
I'll tell you how I regulate it, but I do.
ari shaffir
I talk to my siblings.
I talk to cousins.
I don't have kids.
I think you're crazy if you let anyone under 18 have one of those.
I think it's nuts to let them have access to that.
joe rogan
There's two arguments.
Yes, it's definitely dangerous.
And two, if they don't do it and all their friends do it, they feel like a fucking outcast and a weirdo.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I guess so.
joe rogan
And it's going to get into their lives anyway.
So what do you think we should suggest?
ari shaffir
Start talking to each other.
Get all the parents in a class to be like, guys, we've got to get them off.
You've all seen it.
What?
joe rogan
You also got to talk to the kids, too.
You can't keep them in the dark.
You got to talk to them about what's happening.
ari shaffir
Tell them, show them their studies and stuff.
Kids are smart now.
Way smarter than we were.
joe rogan
I played a documentary for them.
I played that Social Dilemma documentary.
ari shaffir
For who?
For your kids?
joe rogan
For my kids.
ari shaffir
I mean, it's pretty obvious after you see it.
They put it in real terms.
joe rogan
Yeah, it shows you what's going on.
It makes you think what the negative aspects of this are.
ari shaffir
You delete an app, and then it's back on, and suddenly you're like, I don't know when it got back on.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, people say that all the time.
I deleted Instagram, and then it's like, oh, I guess I have it again.
I'm not saying they put it back on.
They just started doing it because they got bored.
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Your phone came back on?
What are you saying?
ari shaffir
No, you take Instagram off your phone, so you don't fucking think about it all the time.
And then people are like, two months later, I guess I'm back on all the time.
joe rogan
Oh, and then they just put it back on.
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Here's the other thing.
You're in a fucking car and you're a passenger and you're driving somewhere and no one's talking.
It's nice to look at it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sure.
Absolutely.
It is that too.
joe rogan
It's just every time I check in on the cultural conversation, people are more off the rails.
tony hinchcliffe
I have a little bit of a conspiracy theory that the push by media...
Because I found it weird that media was covering that Instagram's causing mental health issues.
And I thought to myself, Facebook owns Instagram.
And if they make it look like Instagram's the naughty one that the kids shouldn't be on, and Facebook always plays to a little bit of an older crowd, it's an older app, right?
Then it makes it look like Facebook is the lesser of two evils.
But meanwhile, they own everything.
unidentified
It's just the same company.
tony hinchcliffe
So by making Instagram look, well, you could be on Facebook as long as you want, but Instagram only an hour a day.
joe rogan
You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, I'm just keeping an eye on it.
ari shaffir
I don't know, but they're not doing it right.
There needs to be some sort of regulation or something.
I don't know.
I don't know why he would let you have kids.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
I think we're moving in a general direction of connectivity that's going to be very uncomfortable.
And I don't think it's avoidable.
I think at this point we've passed any markers that would indicate to me that we have any indication that people are interested in slowing down.
That people are interested in reversing course.
Small groups of people.
It's almost like we're sliding towards the edge of a cliff.
And small groups of people are like, you know, I think I'm going to get off the raft and I'm going to go over here and I'm going to just plant tomatoes.
I'm not going to ride this thing off the rails.
But a lot of people are just going to ride it right off the cliff.
Most people are just going to ride it right off the cliff.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and the people that leave are like, why aren't you guys all getting off?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's bad.
It favors a world where you just speak a response without thinking.
It's like, come on, come on, you read the headline.
Weigh in.
So all conversation is almost meaningless.
It doesn't favor what you want to teach your children.
Think about stuff.
Make an informed decision.
Now it's like, I read this, here's my reaction.
tony hinchcliffe
It's a lot of virtue signaling.
One thing that I noticed during the chaos that I went through a few months ago is that the tweet that happened, there was more quote tweets than retweets.
So everybody's taking this thing that looks bad and giving their opinion on it.
ari shaffir
I can't believe anything like this.
tony hinchcliffe
There's no excuse in the world.
ari shaffir
And the ones everybody sees more, the negative ones.
So you see like, oh, I guess everybody hates- I should do it too.
tony hinchcliffe
If I don't say anything, they're going to think that I find this acceptable.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And then you're seeing everybody think somebody's terrible or the president's terrible or whatever's terrible.
joe rogan
We've been given this extraordinary ability to communicate with each other without any understanding of what the effects of it are and how to use it correctly, how to manage it.
ari shaffir
None.
joe rogan
I mean, other classes on- Like, what's the best way to communicate with people online where you can teach people?
What's the best way to interact?
ari shaffir
That should be, actually.
joe rogan
In schools.
ari shaffir
If that's the way it's gonna be, you gotta teach them how to operate online.
joe rogan
Deal with the anxiety of someone criticizing you online or the anxiety of someone embarrassing you online.
Because there's certain things that happen to kids like that that I think are fucking devastating.
My concern is that this is a cliff that we're flying on, but it's not just this part of it.
It's the nature of technology getting intertwined in your life in an inescapable manner, and it's happening.
It's happening to the point where we're going to be reliant completely on some kind of technology, and it's one step towards us integrating.
Biology and electronics, there's going to be a complete symbiosis.
That's going to happen in our lifetime.
ari shaffir
And the problem with that, obviously, is it's terrible.
You know how you're a different person in front of different people?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So the way we talk to each other is different than...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the most fun thing about having a comedian friend.
ari shaffir
Exactly.
You look around like, damn, I'm glad nobody heard that.
tony hinchcliffe
I ran into Ari today at the coffee shop that I go to every day here in Austin, coincidentally.
And I'm like, hey, dude, you know, this is what it would be like if we ran into each other.
If you lived here in Austin, and without any hesitation, he just tapped me right in the dick and balls.
Doubled him over.
And I immediately flopped down.
I immediately flopped down and sat next to him and noticed, you know, other people are looking like, wow, whatever that just was.
To us, completely natural.
I'm like, so what do you want?
You want a coffee or something?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're like, you're right to do it.
I left myself open to it.
joe rogan
I think that shitposting and all the mean stuff that people do online is almost inevitable with the human animal.
We're some kind of wild primate, right?
We're just a higher level of primate.
But I also think, unlike all the other animals, we can sort through things and see a problem and offer a solution.
And I think a solution that can be offered, you're not gonna stop people from using social media, you're not gonna stop people from using phones, but you can tell them how to do it.
You can tell people, like, look, The way people communicate online in such a mean, nasty way that you wouldn't do in person, that is a weakness.
It's a weakness.
ari shaffir
It doesn't mean what you think it means.
It doesn't mean what they're saying.
joe rogan
But it's a weakness.
If you're doing that, that's a weakness.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's not how human beings are supposed to communicate with each other.
It's a base.
It's a real quick-to-do thing.
A lot of the mean things that people say, I bet if you gave them time to think about it, they probably wouldn't say it.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, do you really mean that?
ari shaffir
Do you really mean that?
joe rogan
But in those impulsive moments where they just want to say something mean and nasty.
ari shaffir
And that's what it favors.
The quickest response.
So that's the nastiest, like...
joe rogan
But it's also us.
It's us being able to communicate without the normal boundaries of, like, the social intimacy of being so close that you can hear somebody.
If you're talking to somebody, you're supposed to be able to hear them talking to you back.
ari shaffir
So you're not allowed to have this, like, hey, this is just for some people.
joe rogan
You have to have real integrity to take the behavior that you only exhibit when people are around you and extend that to your digital life.
And most people don't do that.
Most people, they'll act like a real piece of shit in their digital life if you know that no one knows it's you.
ari shaffir
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
You know, like people love to do that and troll and make comments.
ari shaffir
And they also expose you to stuff that you would never, like the people mad at Chappelle's like, you don't even supposed to see this.
You guys are never the audience.
You weren't even supposed to be presented this in front of you.
joe rogan
There's definitely people that get mad and they have a point.
ari shaffir
They're only giving it to you because they know you're going to hate it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's people that never would have saw it otherwise and they can't fathom what comedy is.
joe rogan
That's not true.
He's one of the greatest comedians of all time.
ari shaffir
I know, but those people were just not comedy.
joe rogan
You don't think trans people want to watch comedy?
ari shaffir
Not trans people, those people that got mad.
joe rogan
The wokesters?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the people that got mad.
ari shaffir
Those specifically were never supposed to be the audience.
They were like, you guys are never going to get it.
Get out of here.
tony hinchcliffe
Stumbling on it themselves is different than being told by your own people that this is bad.
ari shaffir
Someone messed up.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, you're gonna hate this.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Like, that's your introduction for me?
Oh, it's not like, hey, it's a very funny comic.
Please welcome one of the greats.
Not that, just, you're gonna hate this.
joe rogan
What I was gonna say is there's definitely people that are gonna be upset, whether they're right or wrong.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they wanna have a conversation with it, that's great.
But there's also people that take advantage of a moment, and they're grifters.
And those people take advantage of the moment, they expand on whatever he said and make it sound way worse than it really was.
It was really kind of almost like a love letter to his friend who died.
You know, was it historically accurate?
He's trying to make it funny.
unidentified
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
Tell him jokes.
ari shaffir
Obviously.
Also, he's an artist and can do whatever the fuck he wants.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I'm sure, you know, I mean, it's funny.
It's a funny fucking story.
It's not transphobic.
It's not.
So if you say, like, having a conversation about someone, that's a phobia of that person?
Like, are we going to do that with everything or are we just going to do that with some things?
You know, are we going to do that with all genders and all races and all...
Is everything going to be off limits to talk about it?
So what is Off Limits?
What stuff?
What stuff specifically?
ari shaffir
Nothing.
Except the artist to figure out what he wants to talk about.
You can just not like it.
You can be like, I didn't like this version or whatever.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about this Chappelle special.
They don't really generally talk about what he actually said.
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
They're not quoting anything.
ari shaffir
They're quoting their memories of a headline that they already heard.
They've never even seen it.
joe rogan
Calling it transphobic, but there's not like a bit that gets singled out where people say, oh, that line.
And most of that would be out of context anyway, but there's not a bit.
Like, do you remember when Sam Kinison, there was a lot of controversy with Kinison when he was coming up, and Dice Clay in particular.
Like, and Dice Clay got banned off of...
SNL. SNL. MTV. MTV, that's right.
Because didn't he do, like, period jokes or something?
ari shaffir
Pope.
joe rogan
The Pope?
ari shaffir
No, no, no, no, no.
Sorry, that was Sinead O'Connor did the Pope, and they didn't want her on.
Dice was, like, something terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Something awesome.
joe rogan
They banned him for life.
ari shaffir
Yeah, off MTV. I think he cursed.
I think he cursed.
No, because you could curse on MTV back then, right?
joe rogan
No.
It was like, what did...
ari shaffir
Fucking Rolling Stone.
joe rogan
Andrew Dice Clay banned for life.
1989. 1989. Okay, this is...
I was a year into comedy.
I had a point, but I've lost my point.
ari shaffir
He went ahead and debuted two of his famous Dirty Nursery Rhymes.
joe rogan
Oh!
ari shaffir
Including, Rockin' My Baby on the Treetop and Your Mother's a Whore, I Ain't Your Pop.
And said two of George Carlin's seven dirty words you can never say on television for good measure.
Oh, he went in with a fucking plan to piss these people off.
joe rogan
Of course.
unidentified
Nice!
joe rogan
He's Dice Clay.
ari shaffir
Let me ask you a question, though.
That Chappelle thing.
All those people thinking at Chappelle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Why do you think you heard so much about a tiny, tiny amount of people who were saying that?
joe rogan
Because it's an interesting conversation to everybody else.
It's gossip.
ari shaffir
It's almost nobody, and you hear tons about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's the most famous comic on the planet.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a red-hot social issue that's in the news every day, and there's a conflict.
ari shaffir
And so you're more interested in that than the 99% of people.
You hear more about that than 99% of people who go like, yep, another great fucking funny special.
You don't hear that.
They push this shit in front of you instead of that shit.
So now you're thinking there's this attack going on.
And then everyone's weighing in and everyone starts to feel something about something.
That's the shit that should be illegal.
Everything you see is curated to make you the maddest.
I see that Chappelle shit too and I'm like, what the fuck?
And I'm like, they got me again.
I shouldn't even know they're mad.
joe rogan
But they're doing things that'll get people to pay attention, right?
They're writing articles that'll get people to pay attention.
Their outrage is directed at getting people to pay attention because that's where the money is.
The more people read the article, the more money it generates.
ari shaffir
Gia Tolentano wrote Jezebel and she said people used to get mad at me for the articles I wrote not knowing I was instructed by my editor to write articles that would make people upset.
joe rogan
See, I would have issue with that.
This is why.
If you have a name, your name's Ari Shafir, and you write an article, and that article pisses me the fuck off, and then I read an article about you later, and this article is different.
This article is just you being you.
Like, you should almost do it under a different name.
ari shaffir
Or, like, there's a bubble of everything you do.
joe rogan
Well, if you, I mean, if you're gonna be, if it's just a little art project, because that's what it is.
ari shaffir
Well, like if Woody Allen plays music, like he does, a separate thing from his normal thing, he could still go by Woody Allen.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is totally different.
tony hinchcliffe
If it's something that you don't want your reputation associated with in an opinion, then maybe use a pen name.
ari shaffir
Oh, okay.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
ari shaffir
Totally.
Sure, sure, sure.
You should be allowed to be yourself somehow.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, but if you're being told, I want you to piss people off, but that's not what you would want to do.
So when you're writing it, you're not really writing it as you.
You're writing it as a job.
You're looking at it as a thing.
You're going to pretend you're a dick about something.
You're going to pretend you're outraged about something.
You're going to piss people off.
You're going to say something a little over-the-edge outrageous.
ari shaffir
Or just tell me about something outrageous someone else did.
You're reporting these stories like, oh, so-and-so is the worst.
Not just did something a little wrong.
So-and-so is the worst.
Because it's getting you mad.
It's getting you mad.
Isn't he terrible?
Here's what else he did, Brad.
Instead of like...
You know, the New York Times story, leaving out all the consensual stuff.
joe rogan
If you are a person who's a writer, and you have a name, like if your name's Ari Shaffir, and I know that when I read an Ari Shaffir column, I'm going to get his thoughts and his feelings.
But if you're bullshitting because your editor told you to, because you're being paid to, you should probably have an extra name from that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's bullshit.
It's not real journalism or anything, but like...
Yeah, it's gross.
joe rogan
Is it journalism?
It's editorialism, right?
Yeah, probably.
Journalism is stories.
Part of it is their take on things.
ari shaffir
But also, so those negative ones are what you and me are going to end up seeing more of.
So that we just get a version of the world that everybody's hateful and angry at each other.
You ever get mad at a comic?
You're like, what?
They took that stance online?
And then you go like, I haven't seen any of their joke jokes, though, in a long time.
So why are they showing me this one?
Because they're like, oh, that one pissed off Tony.
Let me show it to Ari and Jill.
I bet they'll be pissed off with it, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's definitely that, but there's also the network of people that you follow.
They'll start sharing things, and then you'll start finding things.
We gravitate towards disaster.
ari shaffir
Towards the negative, for sure.
Yeah, look at this.
Do you believe this person said this?
joe rogan
It is true.
ari shaffir
It gets pushed forward.
We live in that world now.
tony hinchcliffe
And lingering over something feels like it would be more of a negative thing sometimes than a positive thing, right?
You know what I mean?
Because you're staring at something Dumbfounded, like if a comedian who I'm not that close with says something stupid in some weird political take, I do find myself reading it like 15 times.
ari shaffir
I try to find it now by going, hey, that's a comedian.
I'm sure I can find something funny.
What were they meaning?
Maybe they weren't being...
Although the social stuff is like...
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, it really is a little weird, though.
You know both LA and New York.
I mean, you can admit, it is sort of crazier than ever what's going on out there, especially with the comedians.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's like, what are you doing here?
What are you weighing in on something?
You're a fucking top-shelf writer in the world, and you're weighing in seriously on a subject?
tony hinchcliffe
It's been freaking me out for a while.
joe rogan
Well, they feel like it's part of the job of having these conversations with the people in your tribe to let everybody know you should keep working with me because I am on the right page.
I am there with you and I am a proponent of social justice.
ari shaffir
Every agency in Hollywood sent letters to their fucking clients saying, hey, after George Floyd, we here at CAA, we here at William Morris, we here at ITM, we stand for social justice, that's why we've always had fucking black clients and shit like that.
You should know that if you're with us, you're on the right side of history.
They all fucking did that.
Because you have to at that moment go, oh, not me though, right?
joe rogan
Well, there was a fucking fever pitch in the air.
unidentified
God!
ari shaffir
And so everybody does that every once in a while.
You fall prey to it online and you post a tirade.
You ever see a multi-part tweet?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You're like, I can't get this all in.
Like, don't say it at all!
joe rogan
You know what we have to take into consideration?
We're really fortunate that we have podcasts.
Because in a podcast, you can express yourself in the exact way you would in any other way.
In real life.
ari shaffir
Still, it's rushed.
Yeah, you're right.
But still, it's rushed.
You ever see podcast clips where it's like six of the same story?
So-and-so and so-and-so were fighting.
And then you see, like, Schultz and Dylan and Godfrey and, like, a bunch of others.
Like, oh, you all have a reaction to this.
Because they're all trying to, like...
Let me get our reaction quick.
Nobody stops and thinks about it.
You know, Henry Rollins...
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's things to talk about.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
ari shaffir
But you know what Henry Rollins said, like, he takes six months before he starts writing about stuff?
He lets it set in his mind.
Right, right, right.
Valuing the opposite of that.
If you have a fucking, I don't know, Houston fucking whatever take now, it's like, now?
Who cares?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
He's like, well, I've had a month to think it out.
And you're like, nah, nobody cares anymore.
It values the quick response.
And that's the world we're in now.
That's what's getting to us all the time.
Quick response.
Don't take time.
tony hinchcliffe
Something about...
unidentified
Blech.
tony hinchcliffe
For some reason I'm wired that if you do it live or with friends or in front of a live audience, it's the opposite.
Because when we were at Skankfest when Astroworld happened, we were in this city that it happened in.
I was still in bed with one eye open reading about this tragedy that happened in the city that I'm in, realizing that it's a comedy festival and I have a show at noon.
And I am first.
Literally.
ari shaffir
You got the first crack at it?
Oh yeah, they're waiting for you.
tony hinchcliffe
And so I was working out these...
Astroworld jokes.
By 4 p.m., it's solid.
unidentified
See, that right there is the difference between a comedian and a regular person.
joe rogan
And that's one of the reasons why people hate us.
tony hinchcliffe
I hate us.
ari shaffir
And to everyone at Skankfest, they're like, yes!
tony hinchcliffe
I thought we did it!
ari shaffir
And they show it to people out of there, and they're like, too soon.
I'm like, yeah, for you!
It's not for you!
I do know my audience!
It ain't you!
tony hinchcliffe
Meanwhile, there at Skankfest, it is...
What are the odds of the tragedies down the street?
It's incredible.
It's like the lottery.
They felt so blessed because it's like, yeah, we are the people that laugh at tragedies, but joke about tragedies.
ari shaffir
Jamar was like, what's wrong with you guys that we haven't had one death here?
Taylor whatever, Swift dude, whatever, show us up.
joe rogan
Taylor Swift dude.
ari shaffir
Whatever his name is.
What's his name?
Travis Scott, yeah.
joe rogan
This is the worst take on Astroworld the world has ever known, for sure.
It was a tragedy.
How many people died?
ari shaffir
Nobody we know is the answer.
joe rogan
What if they were?
ari shaffir
We would have heard by now.
joe rogan
How many people died?
Died.
ari shaffir
You can't do that.
We're having a good time.
joe rogan
We're gonna put water on this fire right now.
jamie vernon
Ten.
joe rogan
Ten people died.
ari shaffir
I got double digits.
That's not bad.
That's a ruckus.
That guy brings the vibe.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that is truly a ruckus.
Drinks in the air, liquid spraying everywhere.
joe rogan
So what was the cause?
Did people get trampled?
Did people get pushed to the ground?
ari shaffir
People were being dosed, they said, also?
Was there a bunch of stuff they were saying?
tony hinchcliffe
This is Jamie's specialty.
jamie vernon
That was a lot, yeah.
joe rogan
That was a crazy rumor that someone was running around injecting people with drugs.
ari shaffir
Wow.
Yeah, I heard that.
But I was like, what did that have to do with the trampling?
jamie vernon
The rumor went far because I think the sheriffs actually reported that their security guard had to get an arc in.
joe rogan
Right, that he got a shot in the neck.
jamie vernon
But the security guard, when they asked him, they said, actually, I got punched or something like that.
ari shaffir
Oh, interesting.
I do know security guards often say when they're at festivals that somebody dosed them so they can get off work and they get to go join the concert.
joe rogan
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Hey, man, somebody sprayed acid on me.
I'm sorry, but let me see how I feel in 20 minutes just so you know.
And it's like, hey, get out of here.
Work tomorrow.
joe rogan
Security guard is a weird job because you're not a cop.
ari shaffir
But you want to be one.
joe rogan
You kind of want to be one.
And a lot of them act like that.
That's why I first understood the relationship that cops have often to other people.
Is that there's an us versus them thing.
Because the security guards all bonded together.
Because occasionally there were fights.
And occasionally things were physical.
Like real physical.
I watched quite a few.
Where?
UFC? Great Woods.
When I was a security guard.
I was a security guard for a few years.
At a mall?
At a performing arts center.
At a mall.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
What's happened?
joe rogan
It was a concert center.
ari shaffir
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
They hired all these black belts from my Taekwondo school.
So the security was like four or five black belts from my Taekwondo school, and then all these real professional security guys.
ari shaffir
Is that Joe Rogan running after hundreds of people?
joe rogan
I didn't chase after anybody.
jamie vernon
Disaster world.
joe rogan
Disaster world, people piling out.
jamie vernon
Oh, my God.
This was earlier in the day.
This happened in multiple places.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
The fence just crashes.
People are getting trampled.
Oh, my God.
This is hard.
ari shaffir
And no one knows in the back that they're pushing onto people.
joe rogan
Dude, this is horrible.
This is horrible.
jamie vernon
This led to like later in the night that there was too many people there.
Not enough people to like crowd control.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
Oh my god.
joe rogan
This is terrible.
jamie vernon
But this was just like earlier in it.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
People are just running over people.
They can't get up.
joe rogan
Fuck.
So what we used to do is we had to stop people from bringing in liquor.
So one of the things that we did was as we were waiting for people to come in, we would have to check their bags and they all were trying to stow away liquor.
So we'd find like bottles of expensive wine, we had to take it all.
So we had barrels of booze.
I'm not kidding.
ari shaffir
To go home with?
joe rogan
Like yeah, we all split it up.
All the security people, they gave it to us.
So you had like barrels of wine coolers and shit.
You know, who's that one guy, that famous singer?
jamie vernon
Dave Matthews.
joe rogan
Bald head, but all the women love him.
Older guy, goddammit.
unidentified
Did you just call out my name?
tony hinchcliffe
Neil Simon?
joe rogan
What the fuck is...
No.
tony hinchcliffe
No, John Denver.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Goddammit.
ari shaffir
Oh, James.
James Taylor.
Yes.
joe rogan
So he would play and girls would bring wine.
They would all bring wine and everything.
We'd steal their wine.
You can't take this in 1930. Sorry.
Sorry, you're not supposed to bring it.
And so they could either go home or they could give up the wine.
And then we'd have bottles.
Just giant dumpsters of these fucking booze.
tony hinchcliffe
Imagine how boring it is watching James Taylor live sober.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They're like, oh, I brought in just wine!
joe rogan
The other thing we used to have to do is we'd have to make sure that things didn't go haywire, and that's the day I quit.
The day I quit, there was a concert, a Neil Young concert, and they started fires.
And so there was a whole lawn area, and it was kind of cold out, so these people just decided to start fires.
And they were throwing, like, you know, they had, like, boxes and stuff, and throwing, they had gasoline.
It was wild.
There was fires.
So they stopped the concert.
They stopped the concert.
And there was like physical fist fights and I always carried a hoodie because I had my big security shirt on.
b-real
But as soon as shit went down, I'm like zipped up that hoodie.
joe rogan
I'm getting the fuck out of here.
ari shaffir
Gone.
I'm not putting out literal fires.
joe rogan
I'm not getting any street fights with you fucking for $20 an hour or whatever I'm getting.
I'm going to fight some drugged up Neil Young fan who's got a fucking motorcycle jacket on.
ari shaffir
Nah, who's got a knife.
No thanks.
joe rogan
What are we doing here?
I'm not doing this.
ari shaffir
He's not going to go at you by the rules of jujitsu.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not a cop.
I was like, I'm just supposed to steal people's booze.
ari shaffir
Dude, I was hanging out in Bonnaroo with one of the security guards for comedy and the promoter, Sam, and we were just like, oh, where can we get some Molly this hour?
He goes, oh, I'll see the security guards.
It was just like, go stock up on these drugs and go have a fucking great time.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
Security guards at those places probably all sell drugs.
ari shaffir
Oh!
unidentified
I'm off.
ari shaffir
I'm going to turn a profit.
tony hinchcliffe
Everybody sells drugs at those things.
joe rogan
I mean, like, I feel like that would be wasted, you know, money if you didn't do it.
Like, if anybody would sell drugs, like, especially good drugs.
ari shaffir
You ever get to take something taken to TSA? Something TSA and they're like, hey, we gotta take this knife.
And you're like, hey, it's a good one.
Can you please, like, use it?
I get it.
You have to take it.
But, like, I want you to use it.
Like, it's a good thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it depends on who's taking that knife, though.
You might look at one guy like, bitch, you're never going to use this.
Send it to my house.
ari shaffir
Come on, give it to the other one.
joe rogan
I'm going to take a later flight.
Give me my fucking knife back.
ari shaffir
Dude, one time me and Soder were going into, I think, Outside Lands, and he had these, just came from Denver, had these joints that were shaped like cigarettes with the brown tips in the bottom, so it looked like, I mean, it's just, and he puts it in a cigarette case, four joints.
joe rogan
Nice.
ari shaffir
Perfect.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Go in there, take your keys or whatever, and he goes, oh, no, you can't bring cigarettes in here.
And he's like, what?
And then I was like, right behind him, long security line.
unidentified
Hmm.
ari shaffir
And I was like, well, can we just smoke one before we go in?
And the guy's like, you have to wait in line again.
I'm like, fucking shit.
And Soda just gave up.
He was like, fine, no, I don't need the cigarettes.
joe rogan
How come you can't smoke cigarettes there?
ari shaffir
I guess it was a no cigarette rule there.
joe rogan
Oh.
It's outdoor though, right?
ari shaffir
Throws it in the garbage.
And I'm like, motherfucker.
And then he's searching me.
And I'm like, whatever.
I don't have anything.
We came right from Montreal.
He stopped by his house.
And then he's like, go ahead.
And I just walked by the trash can and just shoved my hand in it.
Picked up the fucking cigarettes.
I was like, make a fucking move.
He's not going to kick me out.
They'll tell me to, and it's fucking, and then Dan's like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
It was so perfect.
He saw it.
He was too far away.
And he was like, I was starting to hope you would.
And then right when he passed it, he's like, the guy wasn't looking anymore.
joe rogan
Ari, what's a clutch move?
ari shaffir
One of my greatest.
One of my greatest.
joe rogan
Clutch move.
ari shaffir
Saved it.
We both cried.
joe rogan
Very clutch.
I'm sure the word probably got out and people snuck stuff in somewhere.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you do it in your shoe.
joe rogan
You tape it right next to your dick.
ari shaffir
Bottom of your shoe.
joe rogan
Tape it on your dick.
You just got saran wrap.
You wrap your dick with the joints.
ari shaffir
That sheath underwear is actually quite good at smuggling joints in because it's got a ball pouch.
So you keep it in there and it won't fall through.
Boxers are the worst.
Sheath underwear is the best.
tony hinchcliffe
It really is.
It has a pocket there.
joe rogan
How many joints do you think you could wrap around your dick and then saran wrap it before it didn't feel like a dick anymore?
ari shaffir
Before people don't believe you.
That's not even, no way is that guy's that dick.
joe rogan
Before TSA Pre is like, no, no, no, no, no.
What's going on here?
ari shaffir
You start walking with your hands out.
joe rogan
Nothing, that's my dick!
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Ari, you have giant balls.
ari shaffir
I do have bad balls.
tony hinchcliffe
Does anybody ever like, do you have anything in your balls?
ari shaffir
Like, come on, sir, there's clearly something here.
It's obviously not just you.
joe rogan
What if you just explain that it's a splint to help enlarge your penis and that you wear it 24 hours a day and you have to?
ari shaffir
Or the process has to start over.
Don't do this to me, dude.
unidentified
Don't do this to me.
joe rogan
It's just a splint.
It's a penis splint if you ever look at it online.
Penis splint, they stretch your penis out, sir.
tony hinchcliffe
Nobody wants to Google that.
ari shaffir
No one's doing it in front of you.
joe rogan
Dudes do that, though.
There's dudes that stretch their dick out.
They literally grab the tip of their dick and a device and pull on it.
Or they put weights on their dick.
ari shaffir
To over time stretch it out?
joe rogan
Yes, to over time.
tony hinchcliffe
No, that doesn't work.
joe rogan
Well, if you go to Africa and you see those naked ladies and you see how their boobs are flapping and hanging low like that, that's what happens when things get pulled on, when gravity pulls on it.
That's why girls wear bras.
You get it?
That's why Ari's balls sag.
ari shaffir
They have been sinking lower and lower.
joe rogan
He doesn't have the proper underwear to support his shit.
So gravity keeps pulling on it.
Gravity can do that to your dick too, apparently.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know about that.
ari shaffir
Why would your dick not go all down also?
joe rogan
I am not bullshitting.
There are guys who have apparatuses strapped to their dick and they crank on it and it lengthens their dick.
ari shaffir
Is your dick bigger now than when you were like 16, 17?
When you were fully grown?
joe rogan
Good question.
ari shaffir
Mine is.
Over time, maybe it does.
joe rogan
Maybe it does.
All that pulling on it.
You're always pulling on the fucking thing.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Something about blood flow there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but also, what if you can increase the size of it by pulling on it?
tony hinchcliffe
But that doesn't change the amount of muscle and tendon on the inside and the tubes.
joe rogan
You got a muscle in your dick?
ari shaffir
True.
I get what you're saying.
But what about those necks?
It's the Karens who stretched our necks.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if there was a dick machine at Gold's Gym?
unidentified
There was a machine, you shove your dick in, you just fucking lift weights with your cock.
tony hinchcliffe
The line's just out the door.
ari shaffir
Hey dude, wipe it down before the sky.
tony hinchcliffe
Can we please get more than one of these machines?
joe rogan
That would be like the real question.
Are you so vain you use the dick machine?
ari shaffir
Everyone is.
joe rogan
Everyone's going to use the dick machine.
ari shaffir
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
Well, there's no line right now.
They just put in a new one.
joe rogan
Like, what is a machine that girls always use at the gym?
Oh, that donkey kick one, for sure.
When they have their butt up in the air and they throw kicks backwards.
You know, you push against a weight thing.
You ever seen that?
ari shaffir
Talking to the wrong guy.
joe rogan
You know, they do this kind of shit.
ari shaffir
To get their butts going?
joe rogan
Yeah, girls love that one, right?
That's when girls do.
ari shaffir
The last time I was at a gym was Sober October, three years ago.
joe rogan
Dude, you got ripped.
You should have kept it going.
I was hoping you were going to keep it going.
ari shaffir
It was a lot of work.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
It's called life.
ari shaffir
What a good answer.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I thought we talked you into a lifetime of fitness after that, but nope.
Right back to slovenly ways.
ari shaffir
Maybe it was a moment of like, maybe I should do that and just like, done.
No way.
So much easier to not do it.
unidentified
I get it.
joe rogan
It was funny though, because you were so competitive.
You were so into it while it was happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You are very formidable.
You put in some good time.
ari shaffir
I pushed you a little.
joe rogan
Put in some good numbers.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I would do it at night when everybody was asleep and they'd wake up to me fucking laughing.
joe rogan
Anxiety.
Look at this.
Penis stretcher.
See?
Top four.
Four of the best ten penis extender stretchers.
ari shaffir
Can I break in right now?
That photo on the left?
See that bottom left?
The cartoon?
I got flagged for sexuality.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Something like that.
A cartoon.
joe rogan
Look what this says.
4 out of 10 best penis extender stretchers that impressed me as a user.
tony hinchcliffe
This is a guy that definitely used a pen name.
joe rogan
It says Irvine Weekly.
So that's like that Irvine newspaper?
Oh my god.
That's hilarious.
unidentified
The Irvine Weekly is out there stretching dicks.
ari shaffir
How to find the best device for yourself.
Brand partner content.
That's a key one.
tony hinchcliffe
Finding the best penis extender can feel like navigating a puzzling maze.
ari shaffir
Don't say it like it's a given article.
No, none of us have thought about this before.
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
What'd you say?
ari shaffir
What'd you say?
joe rogan
In this penis extender review, you'll find a personal testimonial based on many years of experience using different penis enlargement devices.
This guy's a pervert.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Many years of experimenting on dick pulling?
joe rogan
How dare he?
How dare he write this article and just subtly throw that in there?
jamie vernon
What if you found once one worked, wouldn't that be it?
tony hinchcliffe
That would be it.
ari shaffir
I got one.
I'm seeing marketed improvement in my dick size with this product.
Why would I ever take a second without using it?
joe rogan
He's like, no, no, no.
Now we need a girth machine.
Oh, the Deluxe is $3.49.
Jamie, buy five.
ari shaffir
Can you please get one?
Can you please get one at half?
joe rogan
Please get Quick Extender Pro prices and find out the updated prices.
And maybe there's a coupon code on there.
jamie vernon
This one's the only FDA-approved one.
joe rogan
Oh, the FDA got involved.
They must be making money.
They're making money on dick size.
ari shaffir
The FDA approved this and not the vaccine.
joe rogan
Remember when Viagra first came out?
ari shaffir
It rocked the fucking country.
joe rogan
Changed the world.
tony hinchcliffe
Would you trust a German penis extender, Ari?
ari shaffir
I would if they didn't know it was going to me.
joe rogan
Look, is that thing to cup the balls?
What's the thing in the bottom?
Is that the gripper?
ari shaffir
That's a speculum.
joe rogan
There's so much metal there.
That's bothering me.
ari shaffir
Oh, and then you slowly pull it out?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
That metal plus dick equals ouch.
ari shaffir
No reason to have that metal.
It looks like trappy places.
tony hinchcliffe
A girl finds that.
A new girlfriend finds that in a cabinet somewhere like, what is this?
unidentified
Oh, that's a soupster.
joe rogan
Go back right there.
That's how it works.
Look, that thing grabs the balls.
ari shaffir
And push it away.
That's gonna extend your balls, though!
joe rogan
No, everything.
Everything gets stretched out.
ari shaffir
Dude, you pump it up like a fucking barber chair.
unidentified
Ooh.
ari shaffir
You push down on it.
tony hinchcliffe
Whoa!
Look at that one.
unidentified
Yikes.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's...
tony hinchcliffe
New Year's Eve noisemaker right there.
jamie vernon
It's like a milking device.
joe rogan
It is a milking device.
ari shaffir
Jamie, can you order five of those for the next time I'm here?
joe rogan
Milking dicks.
Getting your dick to grow.
ari shaffir
Shane and Mark.
joe rogan
We're going to have a time in our lifetime where this, like, GigaChad, this thing...
unidentified
Drawbacks!
joe rogan
Oh, drawbacks.
ari shaffir
I waited too long for the results.
jamie vernon
Sorry, this is just for this particular one.
ari shaffir
Oh.
jamie vernon
Yeah, never mind.
joe rogan
What is this guy saying, though?
ari shaffir
It took me a pretty long time to figure out how to create a vacuum.
joe rogan
The Velocium Fort version is incredibly comfortable.
But such stretching of the penis with the help of a strap.
Which created tension in the structure, failed to achieve significant results.
Like, what a weird way to talk about stretching your dick.
tony hinchcliffe
Also, the next one's incredible.
I found the Phyllosyn Forte Plus construction somewhat uncomfortable and even unsafe if your penis is more than six inches wide.
It's like, dude, if your penis is more than six inches wide, what are you doing stretching it out?
ari shaffir
You already won.
tony hinchcliffe
I think you did it, dude.
joe rogan
Imagine if there's a group of guys out there with dicks just like those crazy stripper ladies with like triple F tits.
They just can't stop getting their boobs done bigger.
If there's guys like that with dicks.
ari shaffir
Yeah, just constantly.
You can safely use it while sleeping.
joe rogan
You can safely use it while sleeping.
What?
You're gonna sleep with a robot blowing you?
That's terrible.
This is awful.
This is the future.
This is our future.
Oh my god.
tony hinchcliffe
That looks like it makes a noise if you squeeze the little...
ari shaffir
It looks like one of those dipper things, the birds that dip down and drink for the cup.
joe rogan
You should just Google, do you cum when you use your penis extender?
ari shaffir
You should Google, how often do you cum when you...
tony hinchcliffe
Am I the only one that...
joe rogan
Google that phrase.
Let's see what happens.
This has got to be a bunch of guys on a forum dedicated to, well, the penis extender that makes you cum the hardest.
ari shaffir
Somebody from the industry leader is going to reach out to you.
joe rogan
The industry leader in penis extenders.
ari shaffir
Which one got FDA approved?
joe rogan
If there was something that could make your dick grow like that, my goodness.
ari shaffir
How would we not know about it?
joe rogan
Well, I remember that joke that I used to do about if dick pills were real, it'd take about 30 seconds after the event before the first guy died of an overdose.
ari shaffir
Just fill it up on it.
joe rogan
No one's going to just take one.
You go, how many give me a stroke?
How many?
I'm going to take one less than that.
ari shaffir
And then half less than one.
joe rogan
Fuck out of here.
ari shaffir
Guys carrying around their dick with shopping carts.
joe rogan
Yeah, the women evolved because the guy's dicks got so big, women's vaginas had to grow accordingly because guys wouldn't stop growing their dicks.
unidentified
Which one was that?
joe rogan
That was Shady Happy Jihad.
I said that guys with big dicks in shopping carts would chase women up to the top of cliffs and they would leap off the cliff like flying squirrel pussy people.
Because their vaginas would be so big from the giant thing.
Evolution!
This is basic science.
I mean, there's like weird Rolls of the dice in the world, but one of the weirdest rolls of the dice in the world for a guy is your dick size.
You can just have a tiny dick and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
ari shaffir
You know guys that are concerned about the smallness of their dick?
Like overly concerned?
They talk about it more than anybody?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's weird.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's a weird comedy thing, right?
tony hinchcliffe
There used to be a comedian, I'm not going to name his name, but he would close by saying, my name's, thanks so much, that's my time, I'm blah blah blah, I have a big dick.
ari shaffir
That's right.
tony hinchcliffe
And I always thought to myself, he must have the smallest dick.
ari shaffir
He must have a small dick.
joe rogan
Or he has a big dick and he's advertising out there.
ari shaffir
That's right.
I got a big dick.
joe rogan
Look, we have an answer.
And listen to how it's read.
Once again, oh, can I have an orgasm while using a penis pump?
Once again, this will depend on the person!
Exclamation point.
Why is there an exclamation point?
What the fuck are you doing?
tony hinchcliffe
Are you a cheerleader?
ari shaffir
He's answering his own questions emphatically.
joe rogan
You will certainly be able to have an orgasm once the penis pump has been removed, although it may take longer than usual due to your increased stamina.
tony hinchcliffe
Sure.
ari shaffir
You get stamina with the penis pump too?
joe rogan
They were able to cum while their penis pump is still in the tubes simply from the intense sucking, in quotes, sensation which they experience.
Whether or not you'll be able to do this depends on how pleasurable you find the experience of using the pump.
So go ahead and give it a try!
tony hinchcliffe
Should we do like a sober October thing and we all try to see which one of the three of us can extend our penises the most?
joe rogan
Oh my god, imagine if one of us ripped our dicks and we had to go to the emergency room.
ari shaffir
Oh my god, that'd be great.
That'd be great.
Next week.
joe rogan
These are grown adults.
These are grown adults.
Take them off Spotify.
Take that down.
ari shaffir
Hey, what ever happened to that walkout on Spotify, young fucking employees?
Did you go back to work?
Fucking idiots.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, if you're coming from the sucking of your penis enlarger, then you have bigger problems than your small penis.
joe rogan
Well, no.
What if you just say, okay, before I use this penis enlarger, I'm not even going to look at my dick for like six weeks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm not going to beat off at all.
I'm just going to pee and go to sleep and wash it when I have to and be honest about it.
No grabbing it and holding on to it.
ari shaffir
Before.
joe rogan
Before, and then use the penis pump.
ari shaffir
You'd want to measure in your icebox the first time.
tony hinchcliffe
Why would you do that?
joe rogan
If you didn't jerk off at all, or no sex, no jerking off for like six weeks, and then use the penis pump, you'd probably be so horny.
ari shaffir
Oh, you'd blow a crazy load in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe then you'd come.
tony hinchcliffe
Six weeks, I mean, Jesus.
unidentified
You put on your pants, and you're gonna look at me weird.
joe rogan
You ever see how when animals fuck, dude?
Animals fuck like this, ready?
And that's it.
And it's over.
That's how they do it.
We take our time.
We have lovemaking.
It's sensual.
We take in.
We enjoy it.
Animals are trying not to get eaten.
They just dive on each other, fuck real quick, and run from the top of the trees, right?
When you see monkeys fuck, they're not taking a lot of time.
tony hinchcliffe
They're not making love.
ari shaffir
They're not sticking a thumb in the butt.
joe rogan
And they're not...
tony hinchcliffe
There's no foreplay.
joe rogan
I think monkeys and chimps are the only ones who do it for fun, though.
ari shaffir
Is he a monkey spitting another monkey's mouth?
What did we just witness?
They're mimicking the humans.
They're evolving.
joe rogan
She smacks him in the face.
unidentified
He smiles while he's fucking her.
ari shaffir
That's one of these.
joe rogan
To me, the most disturbing thing in nature is when chimps eat monkeys.
That's the most disturbing.
Out of all the things I've ever seen in nature documentaries, I get all of them.
I get a lion killing a gazelle.
It all makes sense.
When the crocodile takes out the wildebeest, it makes sense.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when you see a chimp eating a monkey- Because they look too related.
tony hinchcliffe
Why?
joe rogan
They look so related.
They don't just look related.
They look like they know that that little monkey's screaming and looking at him, trying to push him away, and they're eating him alive.
They eat him alive.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
They don't give a fuck.
They don't give a fuck that the monkey's screaming.
They got him.
They got him, so they're going to eat him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Why?
ari shaffir
Just because they're food or because they're too close?
joe rogan
David Attenborough, I believe, was the first guy to catch that on film.
I think so.
See if that's true.
Back then, they used to think of chimps as being...
When we thought of chimps, we always thought of them as they eat fruit, they eat a banana, they swing around.
We never thought of them as being relentlessly violent.
ari shaffir
Drive limousines.
joe rogan
When you were kids, you never thought of a chip.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, you'd picture little bananas and stuff, like peeling a banana.
joe rogan
There were people's sidekicks on TV shows, right?
Yeah.
There was a show called BJ and the Bear.
ari shaffir
And the Bear was this.
joe rogan
Chim see baby monkeys brains first, a clue to human evolution.
Oh, God.
ari shaffir
Wait, is that a baby?
joe rogan
Is that a new one?
Look at that they're eating the baby monkey brain first.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
He goes right for the head to eat the brain.
ari shaffir
He looks so casual.
He's having such a good time.
joe rogan
So casual.
Just ripping it apart.
And the strength those things have is just preposterous.
The strength the chimp has, we want to think it's like relative to like their size.
ari shaffir
What's happening here?
What's happening here?
Who's doing what?
joe rogan
He's catching a baby monkey.
ari shaffir
And what's the other monkey?
What's the one on the left?
Is that his mom or something?
joe rogan
Running away.
That's the mom running away.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's like, sorry.
Does she have any more on her back?
joe rogan
No.
She's just running away, man.
ari shaffir
She'll get killed.
joe rogan
Look at the shape of her body.
I think that's her other foot, bro.
You got that thing in the way.
What happened?
Yeah, I think that's her other foot, isn't it?
What is that?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's her foot backwards.
It's like she just leapt.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's in the middle of a full leap.
That's what it is.
What the fuck, man?
That is so wild.
ari shaffir
Chimpanzee captures...
A chimpanzee captured a young colobus monkey during a hunt.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's always those colobus monkeys that you see the videos of.
ari shaffir
Is that squirrel monkeys?
joe rogan
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Those are so cute.
joe rogan
They're cute little monkeys.
And these chimps, they do it intelligently.
They corral them.
Like, they have them on the ground, and they run down on the ground, like, making a lot of noise.
And the other ones get up in the trees, and they, like, funnel them together.
And then they attack them.
They get them into, like, these...
ari shaffir
And they'll for sure get one.
joe rogan
Sometimes they throw them to the ground.
Is this David Attenborough?
ari shaffir
Young David.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So this, I believe this was, if I want to say, I want to say this was in the 90s.
ari shaffir
He's in there with them?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, he's in there with them.
ari shaffir
David Attenborough is the most beloved person in the world.
joe rogan
So he films these chimps and he's, you know, getting a chance to see them behave and act in the wild in a way that very few people ever do and photograph with beautiful cameras.
So here he is.
He got a chimp and he's like, they're just eating it alive.
You seen it screaming?
ari shaffir
And so he's like, ow, ow.
joe rogan
Back up so you see it screaming.
Like, look at it.
Oh, it looks like a person.
unidentified
Oh, the one in the back's eating it.
Oh.
Wow.
joe rogan
So all these chimps are excited that they caught a monkey.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's dead, it's dead.
No, it's not quite.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
It's dead now.
tony hinchcliffe
It's an organ.
joe rogan
By the time it's finally dead, but they're just eating it guts first.
Like, look at this.
And now they got another one.
They got a piece there of it.
Bro.
Bro.
That's us.
See?
This is the thing.
We came from that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so you can't let them have social media.
They'll be even worse to each other.
Dude, Nature's Metal just posted one of a grizzly bear killing a brown bear cub, chasing it down, and there's blood all over them just to have more mates.
joe rogan
Nature's so hard.
Well, it's not just that.
It's food.
They come out of the dens hungry.
And apparently they're pretty sure that some bears at least go looking for cubs as a food source.
So it's not just about breeding, it's just about eating cubs.
And then maybe also about forcing the female into estrus because she doesn't have to take care of the baby.
ari shaffir
To get back in.
Yeah, and the females, that's what Nature's Middle said.
It'll make the women go like, I'm just going to kill my son, but I need a fuck.
joe rogan
But bears are different in that they eat them.
They're looking to eat.
Like a lion kills cubs.
The lion's probably not going to eat the cubs, I don't think.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Okay.
At first I was like, oh, they're playing.
joe rogan
Oh, this is awful.
This is awful.
Kill the cubs.
Oh, my God.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
It's just a rug now.
joe rogan
It's so ruthless and he eats it.
Look at him.
He's eating it.
Just tearing it apart and eating it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's weird how we are taught as kids that these animals are cute.
Like Winnie the Pooh is a fucking bear and he walks around with a shirt on.
ari shaffir
Don't go anywhere near that thing in real life.
tony hinchcliffe
And no pants.
And oh, they like honey and oh, the Lion King.
Oh, lions are cool.
ari shaffir
What is that?
joe rogan
Someone got bit.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Someone got bit by another bear.
tony hinchcliffe
I think he's been using the penis extender.
unidentified
That's a black bear.
joe rogan
That's a black bear and he probably got attacked by a- what does it say there?
Oh, it's a Finnish brown bear, torn up by a rival bear.
Yeah.
Oh, it looks like a black bear and while the color might look very similar to one, Finland doesn't have black bears.
Interesting.
Even if they did, color and size can be misleading and not a reliable identifying features when trying to distinguish between a brown bear and a black bear.
This bear has a shoulder hump, a distinct brown bear feature.
Ah, interesting.
ari shaffir
They get warned all the time on Instagram, too.
Nature's metal.
But it's like, yeah, by design.
No one's seeing this.
Can I get access to this information?
Remember when all this was supposed to Arab Spring and change the world?
Say whatever.
Sow dissent.
Do it.
joe rogan
Also, that's life.
That's real life.
That's educational.
We shouldn't be shielded from that part of nature.
We can't have this distorted perception of what nature is.
ari shaffir
I mean, if you like cute things, you're just like, ooh, am I following that?
joe rogan
The thing that gets me about the bears is I kind of think that's how it has to be.
Because if you think about it, if bears could just breed like crazy and spread out all throughout the land, they would eat everything.
They're fucking huge.
If they just didn't have any competition at all and they didn't kill and eat each other, There are probably so many of them.
Because what's going to stop a bear?
All they have to do is catch things and eat things.
They're really good at it.
You can't fight back.
They catch moose.
They eat moose.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
They catch them.
They run up to them, they grab them, and they eat them.
They eat whatever the fuck they want.
So if there was an overwhelming number of bears, nature would be all out of balance.
So nature made the bears eat the bears.
That's what's so crazy.
There's a wild, beautiful balance to the whole thing.
And if you don't see those nature is metal type videos, then you don't see the whole thing.
We look at it as cruelty because we don't want that to happen to our loved ones or to our pets or to anything that's cute.
We don't want that to happen.
But then we'll buy a chicken sandwich.
We'll go to Chick-fil-A and get a spicy chicken.
It's delicious.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't want to see it.
ari shaffir
That's all.
But yeah, exactly.
tony hinchcliffe
If every animal in the world, if we had UFC 1 or UFC 2, if we did it bracket style, and every animal in the world had to fight, who do you have winning everything in the end?
joe rogan
Tigers.
tony hinchcliffe
Tiger?
Beats a grizzly bear?
ari shaffir
Wait, hold on, we're not talking about fish, because then it's home court advantage.
Like a whale and a tiger could never, depends where it is, unless it's on land.
joe rogan
And the orca would fuck up the shark.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a big cat.
ari shaffir
Tiger over bear?
joe rogan
Yeah, big cats.
tony hinchcliffe
And a tiger over a lion?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, bigger.
They're bigger.
A lot bigger.
Yeah, a large male tiger.
ari shaffir
That wasn't talked to us either.
joe rogan
Let's see what a large male tiger is.
tony hinchcliffe
King of the jungle.
joe rogan
I want to say a large male tiger borders on like 1,100, 1,200 pounds.
I don't think a large lion does.
I think a large lion is like 800, 900 pounds.
Maybe even smaller.
ari shaffir
Those ones you used to show us about the guys riding on the elephant and the lion knows the food is all the way up there.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's tiger.
ari shaffir
Tiger just jumps up over.
joe rogan
Tiger knows the man is up on top of the elephant.
So it leaps and tore the guy's arm apart.
The guy lost use of his arm, I believe.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Because the thing just slashed his fucking arm open.
I mean, they have razor blades for claws that are used to take out axis deer.
ari shaffir
Life getting worse, you're a fucking elephant herder in India.
And then it fucking just gets suddenly way worse.
joe rogan
I think they were probably hunters.
So the cat size.
Tigers are heavier, weighing up to 800 pounds.
The lion's 550. So yeah, tigers are bigger.
But the two cats aren't so different in size.
Here their profiles are superimposed.
Oh, interesting.
So they're similar size with the tigers, that much heavier, which must be muscles.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Go back up there.
You might remember from high school health cuts that muscle weighs more than fat, which helped explain the tiger's extra pounds.
So it seems a tiger would have a physical advantage over the lion.
ari shaffir
Have they ever fought?
For sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
For sure people have done that.
ari shaffir
In 2011, a tiger killed a lion with a single paw swipe, the Conor McGregor of the Ankara Zoo interview.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
It was a phantom punch.
joe rogan
Killed a lion with a single paw swipe.
ari shaffir
With a gap in the fence.
joe rogan
The tiger apparently found a gap in the fence and made its way to the lion's enclosure.
When they met, the tiger severed the lion's jugular vein in just one stroke.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Well, hold on.
What I've seen from tigers, they seem to be more aggressive.
They go for the throat.
They go for the kill.
Whereas lions are more, I'll just pound you and play with you.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because they're like kittens.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like the difference between a wolf and like my dog Marshall.
It's just, tigers are the kings.
That's the real king of the jungle.
It's not a lion.
tony hinchcliffe
And they're pissed.
joe rogan
Lions live in the savannas anyway, by the way, don't they?
Do they live in the jungle?
They call him the king of the jungle.
ari shaffir
They do call him the king of the jungle.
joe rogan
Are they actually in the jungle?
ari shaffir
Ask Joe Rogan about those.
joe rogan
I feel like lions are like, they're a grasslands animal, right?
Lions don't actually live in the jungle.
unidentified
Thank you!
joe rogan
Their real habitat is the open savanna, where they can hunt mammals such as gazelles, antelopes, and zebra.
They may also cooperate to catch larger mammals such as buffalo, giraffes, and even crocodiles.
Yeah, so that's a bullshit name.
The tiger is the king of the jungle, and they live in the fucking jungle.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a really interesting fun fact.
ari shaffir
Tiger is the king of the jungle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
That's like, I've never heard that before.
Oh, man.
ari shaffir
The tiger is the king of the jungle.
joe rogan
There's one documentary, if you're into lions, you have to watch.
It's called Relentless Enemies, and it's about a particular group of lions that got trapped on an island with one food source.
That food source was buffalo, what they call Black Death.
These wild Big fucking massive buffalo.
So all the lions grew.
So the female lions on this one island are as big as male lions everywhere else.
And they're jacked.
They look like superheroes.
ari shaffir
So it's the only way they could evolve to kill the buffalo.
joe rogan
They had to evolve to kill the buffalo.
So they're all super jacked.
And they're all eating buffalo.
So they're eating like the most dense protein meat in enormous quantities.
Because you kill one, it's like 1,800 pounds or something like that.
So these lions, when you look at them, they look off.
They look like a lion from a movie.
Like, what the fuck is going on here?
Because the females are fucking chocked.
The females look like Cyborg if she was a lion.
Just running around fucking chocked.
Just angry.
It's a wild documentary, man.
It shows you evolution.
It shows you natural selection.
tony hinchcliffe
What's it called?
joe rogan
Relentless Enemies.
See if you can find a little clip of it, we can see what the female lions looked like.
Because female lions are usually sleek.
Because they have to run down these gazelles and stuff and catch them and they're very clever.
They work together.
Look at the size of that girl!
Bro!
Look at her muscles!
Look at her fucking muscles!
She's super jacked!
So these lions in there.
It's a really good documentary too because it's explained.
Look at that picture right there.
That's a great picture.
The one your cursor's on, Jamie?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you get a sense.
Make that bigger.
ari shaffir
Look how fucking determined he is.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's a girl.
The fucking physical, the muscle in that thing.
ari shaffir
I jumped a little early, but still made the grab.
joe rogan
The whole thing is just get a hold of the back legs.
That's what they want.
They just want the back legs.
They want the back legs to trip you, and then they, you know, tear you apart.
Oh, yeah, they fight back hard.
They're the most dangerous animal to hunt in Africa, apparently.
ari shaffir
Because they come at you.
joe rogan
Because they come at you.
That's why they call them Black Death.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fuck people up, man.
Look at those fucking cool horns he has.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Africa has some awesome shit there, man.
ari shaffir
They keep going after each other.
Gotcha!
joe rogan
Those cats are incredible.
It's incredible, but it's incredible that this only happened...
God, I want to say it was like a hundred years ago.
See if it says, like, when the river changed.
Yeah, something happened.
There was probably like some rain event or something like that, and the river changed courses.
It changed its route, and it made this one area an island, and they got stuck there.
And so they all just figured out how to kill buffaloes.
Like, only buffalo.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
ari shaffir
I went to Galapagos, that's all I talked about in the evolution.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
Because swimming in iguanas, so the only ones that knew how to swim made it over here.
They made it with the other ones who knew how to swim over here.
The freaks in the iguana world.
And then all those freaks started mating and now they all swim.
Only there.
joe rogan
For sure, though, the Romans must have brought lions and tigers to fight to the death, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
ari shaffir
They'd be crazy not to.
joe rogan
Why would you not?
Yeah.
I mean, that'd be like Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis in their prime.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Why would you not?
joe rogan
You want to see the best of the best.
You want to see the best of the animal world.
We want to see the best of the best of the human world.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
unidentified
For sure.
ari shaffir
One drunken night talking.
Like, who would win against a tiger versus a lion?
You're like, oh!
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We've always wanted to see who's the best.
When you watch a UFC, you want to see who is the fucking best.
Who's the best?
For sure we feel like that with animals.
I mean, think about rooster fights.
People have rooster fights.
They want to see whose rooster fucks up the other rooster.
tony hinchcliffe
And they also want to see an upset.
Imagine if a rooster killed a lion.
ari shaffir
It would be very interesting to see an upset.
tony hinchcliffe
In a stunning, just accurate rooster pecking at its head.
ari shaffir
You see a snake swallowing something way bigger than him.
You're like, noister.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's another thing I got banned for on Instagram, they told me.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
I did an episode of Skeptis Hank with this guy who used to do rooster fights.
Went to one as a kid in Puerto Rico.
Just the title of the thing.
joe rogan
Rooster fight got you banned?
ari shaffir
Night of the cockfights or whatever, and they were promoting animal harm.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
My old gardener used to do it.
ari shaffir
Cockfighting.
joe rogan
Yeah, my old Gardner was in two.
ari shaffir
Bad.
I went to one and...
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was the thing, like, man, he lived in, like, there's parts of L.A. where you go there, and it's Mexico.
I mean, they're all Mexican immigrants, and they're all speaking Spanish, and there's fucking roosters everywhere, man.
It was crazy.
He had, I'm not bullshitting, like, a whole setup in his backyard where he had a ring, Where the roosters could fight in the ring.
I did not see the fights.
I saw him.
He got some roosters together for me to show me how they do it.
I didn't see where they're all throwing money down and betting.
I have a fucking false memory of going by once and not going in.
ari shaffir
I feel like I remember you telling me that I went but I didn't want to go in.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird memory.
That was the early days of my weed smoking too.
ari shaffir
You can't trust anything.
joe rogan
I oftentimes went over the edge.
I did not know how to balance out my weed.
I would think things in LA just get way too paranoid.
I probably did not want to go there.
Oh, more than a thousand cockfighting birds seized in LA Raid.
Well, thank God you're doing that and not stopping all those smashing grabs.
jamie vernon
This was three years ago.
joe rogan
Whatever.
ari shaffir
Come on, Jamie.
joe rogan
Fucking with my jokes.
ari shaffir
Dude, I went to two of them in East Timor.
I went to one and they went back.
unidentified
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
It's so fun.
They're all screaming out, holding up dollars.
Who wants to bet?
Who wants to bet?
I got white.
I got red.
And then you're just like, all right, let's go.
And then they just like, they kind of toss at each other a little bit just to hold them.
And then they get them riled up like, who the fuck is this coming at me?
And then they let them go.
They tie a razor blade to one claw.
And then they fly each other and put the claws out and go like this.
And they don't even know.
They've got a fucking slasher on their hand now.
joe rogan
And they're cutting each other up.
ari shaffir
But you don't even feel it.
And so the next one's like, all right, let's go again, let's go again.
And one of them will just suddenly go like, oh my.
Let's go.
And it'll just fall over.
joe rogan
It'll just bleed out.
Wow.
ari shaffir
And they're like, it's over.
And everyone changes money.
It's so fun.
Doesn't look brutal.
Sometimes you barely see blood.
joe rogan
The thing is, it's weird.
Like, why doesn't that bother me?
ari shaffir
Why doesn't it?
It bothers some people.
joe rogan
But here's my thing.
If it was dogs, it would bother me.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sure.
I don't want that.
I don't want to even see that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love dogs.
But I do know that some of those dogs that were raised to do that, like pit bulls, they're the best dogs.
Some of the best dogs.
unidentified
The breeds.
joe rogan
They are so loyal and so sweet and they love people.
They do it because they almost fight because they want people's approval.
They're trained to.
They're engineered to.
It's a strange dog.
They're super intelligent, man.
Pitbulls are really intelligent.
They connect with you.
They connect with you like they're your buddy in a weird way.
It's an intensity that you don't get from a lot of other dogs.
ari shaffir
They look you in the eye and their head is the same size as yours.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And they're just like...
joe rogan
And they're fucking sweet, man.
Like a good one that's raised well, that's, you know, you have it since it was a puppy.
They're so sweet to people.
You just got to exercise it.
ari shaffir
Their reputation's back.
joe rogan
The reputation is there for a reason.
unidentified
No one's scared of pipples anymore.
joe rogan
Oh, yes, they are.
They should be, man.
They should be.
They're an aggressive dog.
If someone does a bad job training them, and, you know, and they're accustomed to getting into fights, they can be real dangerous.
tony hinchcliffe
Or if someone in their bloodline right above...
It was like that.
ari shaffir
A rescued attack dog.
tony hinchcliffe
Even if it's just in their next generation up.
Some hate kids.
Some absolutely hate other dogs.
Some hate postal people.
joe rogan
They have no problem squabbling.
That's the problem.
They'll fight in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
What?
What, bitch?
joe rogan
And they'll just fucking knock over garbage cans and start going to war.
They're ready to fight at a drop of a hat.
And they're engineered that way.
ari shaffir
My dog is, we didn't teach her to, but is predisposed to just any chick and half the dudes on the street just going up to them and wagging her tail and then licking their hand.
Everyone thinks they're special.
unidentified
I'm like, she never does that for anybody.
ari shaffir
Just everybody.
joe rogan
What was my point about that, about dogs?
ari shaffir
That they're great.
Oh, no, no, I know.
You eat a rooster.
You don't mind a rooster.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to see a dog fight.
But it's weird.
If a fish kills a fish, it doesn't bother me at all.
ari shaffir
Not at all.
joe rogan
If I see a monkey get eaten by a chimp, it freaks me out.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It looks too human-like.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have favorites in the animal kingdom.
And a little monkey, a cute little monkey getting eaten alive by a chip.
ari shaffir
What is cow versus chicken?
Those are the two most common.
Who would you rather see get killed?
Who would you rather...
joe rogan
The chicken doesn't bother me at all.
ari shaffir
Me too.
I'd rather see a chicken.
joe rogan
I've been around chickens, and they're little dinosaurs, man.
They peck at your kids.
Like my daughter, she was two years old.
It was pecking at her feet.
And my wife was like, I think it thinks her feet is food.
I go, no, it's trying to eat her.
It's trying to eat it.
This is a little dinosaur.
It's taking a chance to see if it can eat you.
And if it can't eat you, it's going to try to eat a bug or a fucking mouse.
When I saw them with a mouse for the first time, I was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.
They're more aggressive than any cat, more aggressive.
They just chase after that fucking mouse that they can't believe it's in there, and they're tearing it out of each other's mouths.
Like a room full of cats would be way more civilized if one of them caught a mouse than a room full of chickens.
Chickens are wild.
So that one, if they die, they don't give a fuck about you.
But a dog gives a fuck about you.
And a cow kind of can give a fuck about you.
Like when you see people have pet cows and they have pet deer and shit, and the deer come right up to them and they eat out of their hands.
A chicken never does that.
Like, they don't have a connection with you.
Like, maybe they'll let you pick them up, but like, it's a robot.
It's a little, a meat robot.
A little They're just a little meat robot.
They're trying to eat worms and shit.
That's what they're doing.
They're fucking each other up, and they peck at each other and shit.
ari shaffir
Oh, a sick chicken will get pecked to death by the other ones.
joe rogan
It's called a pecking order.
They peck at each other, though.
That's what the pecking order's all about.
They have to establish who's the big bitch.
And the big bitch runs around, fucks up all the other chickens.
ari shaffir
Did not know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, it's a weird world.
Look at them fucking roosters.
ari shaffir
And that's no razors.
No, there is a razor.
I see one's taped up.
No, maybe not.
No, no razors.
joe rogan
That's just a feather, I think.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so now imagine a razor on the end of one of their claws and they're coming right trying to like slash them.
Boom.
joe rogan
It's weird.
I mean, they're beautiful though.
It's not like that.
I don't think they're great looking.
ari shaffir
No razors on these.
tony hinchcliffe
They're tied together on this one.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they tied their feet together.
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
joe rogan
They're just letting them fuck each other up.
That's even more ruthless.
ari shaffir
I saw a foot on the ground.
Just a chicken foot with a razor attached to it, just on the ground.
joe rogan
So do you think that should be legal?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Do whatever you want.
The fuck do I care?
I don't know, it's your chicken.
joe rogan
For real, no, for real.
Like, is it okay?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not in this country, but in other countries, it's like- I have no problem with it.
Tony Hinchcliffe.
ari shaffir
I have no problem.
You can have two betta fish and not that...
That's not...
I get why you wouldn't, right?
But to me, it's not over that long.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that razor they put on.
ari shaffir
The Futumanu.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Look at the size of that thing.
ari shaffir
God, it's so sharp.
Dude, I saw this guy.
They have a booklet.
Remember those old CD cases?
They have a booklet of razors.
And these guys, they're about to fight their razors.
Look through them and go, no, this one.
This guy pulled one out.
Goes like this with a razor.
Just not the sharp side on the side.
unidentified
It goes, This one.
ari shaffir
And it's so fucking frightening.
joe rogan
And he cuts his own tongue?
ari shaffir
No, he just, on the side, just slides it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
He licked it?
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
ari shaffir
They're wild.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
They're fun.
Yeah, you'd be okay with it, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a good place for me to go at this stage of my career.
ari shaffir
Into a cockfight promotion trying to get legalized here?
joe rogan
Well, I just don't think that that's the place where I should be hanging around.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not going to be the...
joe rogan
Doesn't seem like I'm going to have the best conversations.
If you're willing to take that chance.
So when I went to my gardener's place, he had this whole setup.
They had the whole ring and everything.
It was in the backyard.
It was either his house or his friend's house we went to that had the ring.
But anyway, he had all these chicken cages and shit.
And everybody had chickens.
You could hear them in the background.
You could hear them across the street.
You could hear them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everywhere.
joe rogan
Like the whole neighborhood.
It was interesting, man.
ari shaffir
They're fine with it?
They're not there going, what the fuck?
joe rogan
This one had 7,000 birds taken from it in 2017. Val Verde, illegal cockfighting bus, largest in U.S. history, 2017. I was like, who cares?
ari shaffir
Let him do it.
I just don't see the problem with it.
joe rogan
The Humane Society cares.
ari shaffir
It's not unusual to hear birds start to vomit or regurgitate blood.
Yeah, but don't go, Eric Sackett.
joe rogan
Where's the line outside of Kentucky Fried Chicken?
ari shaffir
It's like, what do you think?
I ain't losing any blood in that?
joe rogan
But at least then we're using it for a good thing, which is food.
You're allowed to use animals for food, not for pleasure.
ari shaffir
They eat the rooster.
The winner gets to eat the rooster of the loser.
joe rogan
That's how it is.
ari shaffir
They go home with them.
joe rogan
Do they?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
For real.
ari shaffir
That's one of your rewards is you get to go home with a loser.
joe rogan
I think the rooster, though, would be tough to eat.
I think they'd probably be like real sinewy.
ari shaffir
I saw a guy in that country eating parrots.
I think they're going to take a chance on a rooster.
joe rogan
He ate parrots?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
I saw him looking up in the trees, and I'm like, what are you doing?
He was looking for parrots.
I'm like, why?
I'm like, to kill them.
I'm like, what?
He goes, yeah, I eat them.
I'm like, have you gotten any?
He lifts up his shirt, four dead parrots hanging off his belt.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, they can't be good.
Anything that we don't eat can't be good.
You remember the one time that we had- So arrogant.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We would eat it instantly.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, we're the real kings of the jungle.
Remember that time we had...
joe rogan
We don't even live in the jungle.
We're like the lions.
We're fakers.
tony hinchcliffe
What's the unicorn of the sea?
Norwalk.
joe rogan
A norwalk?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, remember that time we ate that?
ari shaffir
Where?
In Iceland or something?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Someone gave us...
It was an indigenous guy in Canada.
If you're an indigenous guy in Canada, you're allowed to hunt a norwalk.
And it's kind of creepy.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
So we sat down at this restaurant.
We should probably not say the restaurant.
And the guy said, I'm going to bring you something over that's going to freak you out.
I was like, try this.
This is Norwal.
And we're like, what?
And by the way, not worth it.
unidentified
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
It was one of the best meals of my life.
unidentified
However...
joe rogan
The meal was amazing, but the Norwal...
tony hinchcliffe
It started, and I almost think that they gave it to us first to make everything else taste a thousand times better.
joe rogan
I don't think they gave it to us first.
It was in the middle of stuff.
He gave us a bunch of stuff.
ari shaffir
It wasn't good.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't good.
unidentified
Bland?
Blubbery?
What was it?
joe rogan
One of those things where you're like, okay, this is an odd thing.
Like, why does one eat this?
And I don't think you're allowed to sell it either.
I think it's one of those things where someone can serve it to you.
And if you're a native, you're allowed to hunt them.
You know, they call them First Peoples, I think.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that what they...
ari shaffir
Maybe.
joe rogan
What is the...
ari shaffir
Whatever.
joe rogan
What is their term for Native American in Canada?
tony hinchcliffe
The flavor.
unidentified
Indigenous?
tony hinchcliffe
It was like a homeless guy's foot.
joe rogan
I want to say it's like First People.
jamie vernon
This is calling it Inuit raw meat and fish.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
But I'm asking for the thing about people that live in Canada.
First Nations.
unidentified
First Nations.
joe rogan
That's it.
First Nations.
So First Nations people, they can, you know, if they lived in that area where they traditionally hunted whales.
ari shaffir
They're still allowed.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you can hunt a lot of stuff that we can't hunt, like seals.
ari shaffir
Cool.
joe rogan
I saw this Alaska show, and there was a husband and wife team.
ari shaffir
You can't tell me who to root for.
joe rogan
And the wife had to shoot the seal when they were going to eat a seal.
The wife had to shoot it.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was Eskimo.
ari shaffir
Oh, she had to be the one pulling the trigger.
joe rogan
She had to be the one pulling the trigger.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he couldn't pull the trigger.
He's not allowed to shoot it.
What is that?
Which is kind of wild.
That's the meat.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
How interesting looking.
joe rogan
Harvested by Inuit family near Yellowknife, Northwest Territories.
ari shaffir
I always see Yellowknife when you go to the airport in Canada and you see, like, taking off your Yellowknife.
It's like, who the fuck goes to Yellowknife?
Where is that place?
Has anyone ever done a show in Yellowknife?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I bet there's a lot of hunting up there.
Canadians hunt their ass off.
That's the meat.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
That's what it looked like.
Pass.
Plus the guilt.
You never get rid of the guilt.
You ate a whale.
ari shaffir
You guys forgot about it till now.
tony hinchcliffe
Is that the cutest thing you've ever eaten?
ari shaffir
I eat puffin.
In Iceland, I think, or Norway.
joe rogan
What was that like?
ari shaffir
Good, fatty, and then orca, I think.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Some sort of whale.
Whale burgers in Norway.
joe rogan
You ate a whale burger?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, you criminal.
ari shaffir
It might have been orca, but it was whale burgers.
It's totally illegal.
They have a lot of them.
joe rogan
They have a lot of whales?
ari shaffir
No shortage.
No shortage out there.
joe rogan
Oh, this is a troll.
He's trolling us.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
For real.
You're allowed to eat them.
They serve in a restaurant.
It's on the menu.
joe rogan
I smelled it.
ari shaffir
Jamie, this is the best thing about being a troll.
Sometimes you're telling the truth and people won't believe you.
joe rogan
Whale burger sounds weird.
ari shaffir
It was okay.
tony hinchcliffe
You sure this wasn't a wall burger?
Is it a chain?
joe rogan
Yeah, Marky Mark's place.
ari shaffir
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, people used to hunt whales all the time.
Look at that thing.
ari shaffir
Whale burger with fur lobster.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ari shaffir
Vegas.
Oh, it's happening in Vegas.
joe rogan
What?
No, that's just a burger.
They're calling it a whale.
That's just a bacon cheeseburger, bro.
ari shaffir
No, $100 whale burger with fried lobster, wagyu, and beef.
joe rogan
That whale burger?
That is not whale.
ari shaffir
Well, why would you call it a whale burger?
A whale of a burger?
joe rogan
It says Vegas.
ari shaffir
So?
joe rogan
It's Vegas.
Click on that.
Where's the whale?
jamie vernon
This place is also in Pasadena.
The 50-50 is the ground beef bacon burger they make.
joe rogan
Right, but why are they calling it a 100% whale burger?
ari shaffir
It might be the size of the whale.
Click on it or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the size of the burger.
They're just calling it a whale.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's the size of the burger.
unidentified
Yeah, look, it's just a cheeseburger, then it's got bacon.
joe rogan
What else is on it?
Lobster?
ari shaffir
Oh, it's right there.
joe rogan
What's that top thing on it?
ari shaffir
Wagyu beef.
tony hinchcliffe
That's bacon.
ari shaffir
Lobster.
Lobster.
joe rogan
Is it?
ari shaffir
Oh, the top top thing.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the top top thing.
jamie vernon
One pound of Wagyu beef.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
Gold dust of billionaire's bacon.
joe rogan
America's doomed.
jamie vernon
Fried lobster tail.
joe rogan
That's it.
So that white stuff is the lobster tail.
ari shaffir
Look up Norway whale burger.
joe rogan
Okay, but that's better.
ari shaffir
That is better.
unidentified
That's great.
ari shaffir
I mean, always order that one, but for one time, order the other one.
jamie vernon
There also is comedy in Yellowknife.
ari shaffir
Yellowknife?
unidentified
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
There's a lot of comedy shows.
I don't know how big it was, but there's comedy shows.
joe rogan
I might have been there once, man.
ari shaffir
I never went with you.
Maybe.
tony hinchcliffe
Where's that one place we performed in that hockey arena that one time?
joe rogan
Oh, that was fun.
ari shaffir
Saskatoon?
joe rogan
I forget.
Did we do that?
Did you do that with us?
tony hinchcliffe
It was Brian Callen.
joe rogan
Callen did?
The hockey rink?
Yeah, that one was the worst sound ever.
Norway's whale meat industry has gone to the dogs.
What?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
What does it got, like, hay on it and shit?
What the fuck's going on there?
tony hinchcliffe
Seasoning.
unidentified
Weird.
joe rogan
That's not seasoning, is it?
ari shaffir
Just dirt.
joe rogan
That looks like grass.
ari shaffir
Just fucking hay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's like someone dropped it before they took the photo and they were too lazy to pick all the hay off of it.
That's whale meat?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Is that real?
Where can I eat whale meat in Norway?
Imagine if you're one of those creeps that just wants to eat things that are exotic or endangered.
There's a whole group of people that do that.
Do you know that?
ari shaffir
I'm one of them.
I just don't enter it.
joe rogan
There was a guy who told me he had to go to a foreign country.
I don't want to say which one because I don't know.
ari shaffir
Where something's legal?
joe rogan
Well, you could do whatever you want there.
It's not a matter of whether or not it's legal.
He'd get away with it.
And there was a menu.
And all these very wealthy people would go to this place.
And they would have this annual dinner where they would cook things like tiger and chimpanzee and wild shit.
They'd cook all illegal stuff.
All stuff that you can't buy anywhere else.
Things like rhino.
They would serve rhino.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
My buddy ate monkey meat.
I don't know if it was India or China.
I feel like it was China.
tony hinchcliffe
Monkey meat?
ari shaffir
They take monkey brain.
They take the monkey and tie him down live.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
Shoot him so they fucking get paralyzed still.
tony hinchcliffe
Your friend at the Temple of Doom?
ari shaffir
That's what it felt like.
And they cut their fucking head open while they're still alive and everyone eats out of the brain.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's real?
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Look at that block.
It says fiction.
Oh, the monkey brain scene in Faces of Death.
That's what that was.
So your friend actually saw this happen?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Go back one, Jamie.
Where were you just before?
I was looking at a different image.
Look at the pile of brains in the corner.
The lower left hand corner.
ari shaffir
They're frying them up?
joe rogan
Is that a pile of monkey brains?
ari shaffir
Goddamn.
Depends how big that pot is.
joe rogan
Nine weird and interesting foods you'll find in China.
Are they really eating monkey brains?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But wouldn't you think that that would be dangerous?
Monkey brains.
unidentified
Oh my god, that's a bowl of monkey brains.
joe rogan
Monkey brains is a dish consisting of, at least partially, the brains of some species of monkey or ape.
However, this is a very rare dish that is considered extremely cruel by the vast majority of the Chinese.
Someone sounds woke.
Monkey brains have traditionally been eaten in parts of China and Southeast Asia because people believe they will be imbued with ancient wisdom.
ari shaffir
When I actually talked to a guy in each team where he goes, we ate him as a kid and now nobody kind of eats him anymore.
No more monkey brains.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Studies are out or whatever.
joe rogan
David Cho, you know, the artist, he went with the Hadza, he went hunting, and they hunted baboons.
And they hunt and kill baboons, because apparently the area that they're at, where they hunt at, has been so cleared out of animals that they've taken to, like, they primarily hunt these primates, and they hunt fucking baboons.
tony hinchcliffe
Guns?
joe rogan
Bows and arrows.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
He says it's wild.
He said when the baboon got hit with the arrow, he grabs it, like, Like a person.
I was trying to pull it out of him.
Baboons are a weird thing.
If a monkey fucked a dog, right?
They have these long faces and giant ass fucking teeth.
And baboons will steal people's babies.
ari shaffir
What's the one that ate those people's eyeballs out?
Chimps.
They're all fucking stay away.
joe rogan
But baboons, they'll steal your baby and eat it for sure.
Chimps will too.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Can you imagine losing your baby to a fucking chimp?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
Or seeing it about to get on there and you're like, that moment.
joe rogan
And they wouldn't even eat it out of your view.
ari shaffir
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
They would just huddle up and just hunch over it in the middle of the park and you'd be screaming while the scene eats your kid head first.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then if you fucking run up on them, they'll either beat the shit out of you or they'll just climb a tree and eat your kid in the tree.
ari shaffir
That would be a tough one to fucking deal with.
That's a therapy moment for sure.
joe rogan
Nature's so ruthless, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Imagine what they would be saying about us if they could talk.
Like, these assholes.
joe rogan
They just shoot people for purses.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
They eat everything that they wear.
ari shaffir
Just for the shoes.
They already have shoes on.
Why would you shoot that guy for shoes?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I just got new ostrich cowboy boots.
I'm not wearing them right now, but I gotta tell you, I never knew it would happen, but ostrich, it's fun to wear.
joe rogan
Ostrich is a weird animal too.
Ostrich is good, those burgers.
They're mean little fuckers.
They'll peck at you.
ari shaffir
Smash at you with your neck.
joe rogan
They can kick the shit out of you too.
Those big ass legs, they'll fuck you up.
tony hinchcliffe
That's why I wear them as boots is because I was trying to help the environment or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
ari shaffir
You bailed on that.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh no.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
What a mean face.
ari shaffir
God damn.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
If you saw that, like if you went to sleep and you woke up and that was looking at you like, ah!
That was cute.
No, that one's about to eat you.
ari shaffir
No, the one...
joe rogan
The one in the lower corner?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that one right there.
No, the one that you would just...
No, no, the one that you would just...
Yeah, that one.
That one's right about to bite your fucking nose off.
It looks cute for half a second.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I was gonna say, it looks like it smoked one of those snoop blunts we had last night.
ari shaffir
It looks like one of those birds from Madagascar.
joe rogan
If an ostrich attacks you, how do you think you respond?
Look at that thing.
That's so mean.
Look at the eyes on that thing.
That thing doesn't give a fuck about you.
Right?
Look at his eyes.
If an ostrich goes after you, what do you think your move is, Ari?
ari shaffir
I guess there's an ancient part you say in Hebrew, hero Israel, I am the Lord, I am God.
And if you say that, you go straight to heaven.
joe rogan
Oh, you have to say that while the ostrich is kicking you to death?
ari shaffir
Yeah, right before.
Yeah, say it quick.
unidentified
You're gone.
ari shaffir
Tony, you're a wrestler.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
How would you, if an ostrich comes at you?
tony hinchcliffe
How tall of an ostrich?
ari shaffir
Taller than you.
tony hinchcliffe
Taller than me?
joe rogan
Well, their neck will be taller than you, but their body won't be.
The thing you have to worry about is the legs.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm gonna keep my hands up and I'm gonna shoot low, double leg takedown, drive through, yep, drive through, it's sort of Khabib, put my legs under his, get full mount, and then beat the shit out of it.
That would be my approach.
joe rogan
So you would beat the shit out of it with you?
tony hinchcliffe
What?
joe rogan
Oh my god, the guy's riding an ostrich.
Tony, I want you to reconsider.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, no.
Now that I'm seeing what it's shaking.
joe rogan
Go back to that image.
tony hinchcliffe
Actually, no.
ari shaffir
That guy looks like he is the ostrich.
Like his legs are the ostrich's.
joe rogan
Jamie, go to the one in the middle up there with the red.
Yeah, look at the legs on that.
ari shaffir
They're racing them.
joe rogan
Jamie, you ain't doing jack shit to those legs.
jamie vernon
Tony said it.
ari shaffir
Don't put me on that argument.
tony hinchcliffe
Alright, I'm changing my mind.
I'm going to go full...
joe rogan
Tony, excuse me.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm going to go under.
I'm going to get under and fucking choke it.
I'm going to jump up like Oliveira.
I'm going to get full jump on and choke up.
joe rogan
So you're going to take its back.
ari shaffir
It's going to bite you from behind.
You're going to get a choke.
He's got so much neck, he's going to still bite you.
tony hinchcliffe
He's got so much neck, he's in trouble, dude.
He's in big trouble.
The question is, can you choke that?
It almost looks like it's like a palm tree or something.
joe rogan
I think I would be inclined to not rear naked choke, but instead to Kimura his neck.
This is what I think I'm doing.
I take the back, and then I wrap my arm around his neck thusly, and get in here, and I connect it to my forearm.
So I have one hand on the base of his neck, I have my full arm wrapped around his forearm, and I figure out a way to snap his fucking neck.
That's what I think.
And I don't think I can, because honestly it's hard to strangle a chicken.
Look at that thing fucking that dude up.
ari shaffir
Oh, he's trying to wrangle it.
It's got to fuck it.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I don't know.
That thing's beating his ass.
ari shaffir
He's got a rope around her?
Oh, now they all turn to the guy.
joe rogan
Tony, that thing is going to beat your ass.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't think so.
This is what you said about David Lucas a couple weeks ago.
joe rogan
Let's leave poor David Lucas out of this.
We can't do that to him on this podcast.
unidentified
Yes, we can.
joe rogan
It's too sad.
tony hinchcliffe
He wanted it.
joe rogan
David Lucas fell apart, wrestling Tony.
David Lucas is 300 pounds.
Tony weighs 48 pounds.
And Tony Hinchcliffe out-wrestled David Lucas.
ari shaffir
Hey buddy, this is a good idea.
joe rogan
Oh, this guy climbed the fence.
What does he think he's gonna do?
Just push it around?
ari shaffir
Now he knows he's kinda fucked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's just trying to move away.
And the officer's like, not today, bitch.
Not today.
How does it approach?
Does it bite?
What's it gonna do?
Does it bite?
ari shaffir
He's like, come on, dude.
Come on, just walk away, please.
Please walk away.
Oh, my God.
tony hinchcliffe
Kicks.
joe rogan
Kicking.
jamie vernon
They probably got claws, too, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
He's gonna fucking get one.
joe rogan
They can scratch you up.
ari shaffir
He's gonna get one.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tony hinchcliffe
Ron.
ari shaffir
You're not gonna get over, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're getting over because it's just going to peck at you.
ari shaffir
You don't want to get caught on that fence.
joe rogan
They don't have much force on their beak.
You've got to worry about their legs.
unidentified
Fucking idiot.
joe rogan
Cool guy.
ari shaffir
Jackass is out in February.
joe rogan
I guarantee he's going to pay to see you do comedy.
That's one of your fucking core audience members.
He'd be like, fuck them, dude.
I loved your tweets.
I was his gang friends front row.
I was going to ask you to pee on me.
unidentified
Fucking dorks.
Ah.
ari shaffir
Please follow at R.I.P. Ari Shaffir.
jamie vernon
That's aggressive.
joe rogan
Oh, you hit it with a ruler?
unidentified
Is that a stick?
jamie vernon
This is a wiki how on how to survive.
joe rogan
How to survive.
ari shaffir
Hard.
jamie vernon
Hit it in the neck.
ari shaffir
Swing away.
joe rogan
Is that what you're supposed to do?
jamie vernon
I mean...
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta KO him.
Or, Kimora the neck.
I think I could Kimora that neck.
ari shaffir
Find a video of someone comoring the neck, please.
joe rogan
I think I could...
Oh!
jamie vernon
Go for the legs.
joe rogan
Oh, go for the legs.
ari shaffir
I like that idea, too.
Star Wars-like.
joe rogan
Good luck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good luck.
You're not going to hurt that thing.
ari shaffir
When you're 100 meters away, hide.
That's smart.
That's what I do.
For sure.
joe rogan
Three ways to survive an ostrich encounter or attack.
tony hinchcliffe
Okay.
joe rogan
I think you need a knife.
jamie vernon
Alright, you're fighting it.
ari shaffir
Use a long weapon.
tony hinchcliffe
Use your penis extender.
joe rogan
If you dive in with a knife, you're cutting the neck first, right?
You want to cut right where the dark...
ari shaffir
But also, counterpoint, don't you want to go to the body where you know you'd be more likely to hit it?
joe rogan
If you had a gun and need to use it, aim for the ostrich's main body to better ensure hitting your target.
ari shaffir
Boom.
joe rogan
Although they will be attacking with their legs and or beak, their legs and neck are very thin and easy to miss.
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
Ostriches can kick hard enough to kill a lion, that said.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I've heard that.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
Where?
tony hinchcliffe
Right in the second sound.
joe rogan
Oh no.
Keep out of reach of the legs as you can, since ostriches can kick hard enough to kill a lion.
tony hinchcliffe
This is a rough episode for lions here today.
You gotta be fucking getting me.
ari shaffir
Fucking big chickens now?
joe rogan
We had such an elevated opinion of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Dashed after today's.
joe rogan
You know what my favorite lion story was?
Remember when Cecil the lion got killed by that guy?
ari shaffir
This is one of the first things that make me understand internet rage.
joe rogan
And then they found out, after Cecil, that Cecil's brother, Jericho, might have already gotten shot as well, and they were so sad.
And then they came out with a news story that said, good news, the lion that got shot was not Jericho, so it wasn't Cecil's brother.
As if they're naming these fucking lions and making them...
ari shaffir
As if they have any memory of like, yeah, me and my brother play ball every Thursday.
joe rogan
Characters in a movie.
Like one lion has more power over the other lion in our hearts.
ari shaffir
It's still a dead lion, but it's like, we don't have a name.
It's fine.
joe rogan
We don't have a name.
ari shaffir
People are so fucking funny.
joe rogan
Dive into a thorn bush.
Opt for getting pricked by thorns instead of being disemboweled by the ostrich's razor-sharp talons.
ari shaffir
Never gonna happen.
joe rogan
If no other hiding spots are available, jump straight into a thorn bush.
Wait for the ostrich to leave before climbing out.
ari shaffir
Well, obviously on the last part.
joe rogan
Expect the ostrich to refrain from picking its head after you in order to protect its large eyes.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Lie on the ground.
Resist the urge to run for cover or elevation if it's too far away.
Instead, play dead.
This is why you need a knife.
You need a knife and a good rear naked choke.
Has anybody ever taken the back of an ostrich?
ari shaffir
What happened to JustMeet.com when you need it?
joe rogan
Yeah, people are now telling me because I'm an old man that LiveLeak is no longer around.
Stop saying it's not around anymore.
ari shaffir
Is that true?
joe rogan
I don't know.
ari shaffir
LiveLeak was the last place to put videos where they're like, you do whatever you want here.
joe rogan
Yeah, anything.
ari shaffir
Worldstar?
We did that back.
joe rogan
Is Worldstar still buck wild?
ari shaffir
Yeah, still crazy.
They did shut down the main McDonald's from Worldstar right near the Comedy Cellar.
joe rogan
Worldstar shut it down?
ari shaffir
No.
McDonald's shut it down.
joe rogan
Why?
ari shaffir
I think too many bad videos.
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was like every Saturday there was like five Worldstar videos there.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
People got turnt up.
joe rogan
That's a problem with social media too.
People want to do things like stunts so people will see them.
So they'll do wild stunts.
tony hinchcliffe
That happened by the cellar?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
That's the kind of stuff that happens on 6th Street all the time.
ari shaffir
Geography comic.
Taking over the reins from Brody as the geography comic.
unidentified
Yes!
tony hinchcliffe
6th Street.
joe rogan
818. Enjoy it.
unidentified
Red River.
joe rogan
I should wrap this up because it's boring.
ari shaffir
It was a fun fucking stopover.
joe rogan
Glad I ran into you last night.
That was fun.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
The show was already over.
I was like, ah, fuck.
I came over here.
joe rogan
Timing.
ari shaffir
Missed them.
Perfect.
The show was over and everybody was hanging out in the green room for another hour.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So you are headed to San Antonio?
ari shaffir
San Antonio now.
Yeah.
I'll be in- What are you doing?
joe rogan
What is it called?
The club called?
ari shaffir
LOL. LOL San Antonio.
joe rogan
What else are you doing?
ari shaffir
Let's see.
I got Cleveland and Phoenix in January.
I got Denver and maybe Vancouver in February.
joe rogan
Is it arithegreat.com still?
ari shaffir
arithegreat.com, arithegreat.com, yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't you make ari the great your new Twitter handle?
ari shaffir
Maybe.
That's not a bad idea.
Not Twitter.
I'm done with Twitter.
unidentified
Instagram.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
Try to get it canceled 100 times.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
Okay, all your shit is up on your website.
arithegreat.com.
ari shaffir
That should be your Twitter handle.
joe rogan
Or try a new Instagram.
Maybe we can get people to go there.
ari shaffir
I'll try arithegreat.com.
joe rogan
How many followers did you have?
ari shaffir
$450,000.
joe rogan
Well, you're never going to get those back.
unidentified
I just fucking lost like a third of my salary for the year.
ari shaffir
There's no way to promote shit.
joe rogan
Do you think your agency will, maybe they can make an exception where they let you go this time?
ari shaffir
Maybe.
They said they just went on Christmas break, so I was like, there's not even anyone to contact until January.
joe rogan
So in January they'll contact people?
ari shaffir
And then maybe, who knows?
Fuck!
Whatever.
You're better off for it.
joe rogan
I wish there was a place where you could go that's not censored like that.
You could just do whatever you want.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Or it should be a setting you should set if you want to avoid all this stuff.
joe rogan
But isn't it funny that the way they've set it up now, whether it's by accident or whether it's by design, is everywhere you go that's not Twitter, it gets immediately co-opted by right-wing people.
Because they don't have a place to go where they can get buck wild.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
They don't have a place they can go where they can post a bunch of Joe Biden memes and talk wild shit and talk about storming the Capitol again.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
What was it?
They banned the car racing term?
Because that newscaster misunderstood.
joe rogan
What car racing term is that?
ari shaffir
They were all screaming, what?
Russell Brandon?
joe rogan
No, let's go Brandon.
ari shaffir
Let's go Brandon, yeah.
Because they're all saying, fuck Joe Biden.
And the old, really nice guy, broadcaster, was interviewing him.
He was like, oh, they're saying, let's go Brandon.
joe rogan
I think it was a girl.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Wasn't it a girl that was interviewing?
Yeah, it was a girl.
ari shaffir
She just didn't know?
joe rogan
No.
Dude, she was trying to pretend.
They were saying, fuck Joe Biden.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Does that sound like...
She's like, they're saying, let's go Brandon.
Like, I think she was trying to cover.
ari shaffir
And then everyone started co-opting.
It was like, hey, that's my way of saying, fuck Joe Biden.
We all know the code.
And then Twitter was like, nah, not even that.
joe rogan
Unless she had earphones on.
unidentified
I want to see it.
joe rogan
She had, like, monitors in her ear and couldn't hear that good.
Maybe it was an honest mistake.
Let's hear it.
unidentified
Win.
Didn't look too rusty on those burnouts, Brandon.
Must be practicing somewhere.
Yeah, I mean, y'all could ask, like, my neighbors back at Coastal Carolina that, uh, I did plenty of burnouts, uh, to practice for this moment.
Um, oh, my God, this is a dream come true!
Wow, Talladega a winner in the next...
Oh, my God, Dad, we did it!
Let's go!
You told me before this race that if you were to win, it would be incredible.
How does the reality of this moment live up to the dream?
Oh my god, this is just...
Everything we've hoped and dreamed for.
I can't wait for it.
Everything I've ever wanted to do is take the trophy home to mom and dad.
joe rogan
I'm so happy.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
Thank you so much, Larry's Lemonade.
Thank you so much, Trade the Chain.
Thank you so much, Jabs Construction.
Thank you, Mid-Atlantic.
Thank you to all of our partners.
joe rogan
There it is.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
It's just such an unbelievable moment.
Brandon, you also told me, as you can hear the chants from the crowd, Let's go, Brandon.
Brandon, you told me you were going to kind of hang back those first two stages and just watch and learn.
What did you learn that helped you there in those closing laps?
Oh, my God.
It was learning how each line didn't stay to one, and everything shifted top to bottom so much that it was kind of like, okay, let's just stay patient.
That's the most absurd video.
joe rogan
He's just answering these questions if they're not screaming, fuck Joe Biden in the background.
ari shaffir
He's lost in it.
joe rogan
He was just talking about the lines he was cutting as he was racing.
ari shaffir
And then the right wing people said, let's just use that as code.
And they started going, let's go Brandon, as their way of saying, you know what I'm actually saying.
And Twitter's like, nah, I know what you're doing.
You can't say, that's all banned.
joe rogan
Is Twitter banning let's go Brandon?
ari shaffir
Didn't they take it down?
I heard that.
joe rogan
Why don't you post Let's Go, Brandon?
We'll sit and watch like this.
ari shaffir
Watch it.
It should blow up.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, right from what I understand, they just said that if you tweet that you can spread COVID with the vaccine, which is a fact that everyone admits and knows, they can ban you for that too.
I think happened yesterday with people.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what that is.
I did read that, but I didn't look into it, so I don't want to jump to conclusions, because oftentimes people look into something and then sort of exaggerate what it actually said.
But what they were trying to say is they'll punish people who post that you can spread COVID while vaccinated, which you definitely can.
ari shaffir
Because they're saying that slows down the vaccination rate, so like, well, aside, like, you can't know this truth.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's more likely what they're trying to say.
ari shaffir
No, Facebook isn't changing policies to ban the school brand.
joe rogan
Oh, so Facebook's not doing that?
We're talking about Twitter, though, Jeremy.
jamie vernon
I know, but this is the only thing that came up that said no one was being banned.
joe rogan
No one is?
ari shaffir
Debunked.
joe rogan
So Facebook won't either?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So good.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, this is bad.
joe rogan
Well, that's good.
No, you know how I know, because I saw someone's post the other day on Twitter, and it said, let's go, Brandon.
They probably won't let the hashtag go anymore.
They stopped certain hashtags.
ari shaffir
Because it overwhelms.
They stopped all the Justin Bieber hashtags.
They were just like, it's all the hashtags.
We're not doing it.
joe rogan
You know, hashtag fuck you is banned from Instagram.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I tried to write hashtag fuck you.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
ari shaffir
And what happened?
What came up?
joe rogan
Wouldn't do it.
Wouldn't do it.
And then I made a post about how hashtag fuck you is banned.
Because it was about the single bullet theory.
I was making a post about...
It's because I was having a conversation with someone on the JFK assassination.
And I wrote hashtag fuck you at the end of it.
Because they declined to release all the documents.
You know, they had a chance to release documents from 1963 about Kennedy's assassination.
And they decided to not release them to the general public.
Like, why?
Why?
Why won't you tell us what the fuck happened from 1963?
Do you have evidence that would piss everybody off?
Like, what is it?
ari shaffir
Hashtag fuck you is a way to express yourself.
joe rogan
I posted about the single bullet theory, about how stupid the theory is.
They found this bullet in Connelly's gurney that went through two guys, just mysteriously wound up in a semi-pristine state on a gurney just by accident.
Get the fuck out of here.
It's such an offensively stupid That's a single bullet theory.
And they only did it because they had to.
ari shaffir
They sold to everybody.
joe rogan
They did.
They sold to everybody.
That's a part of the Oliver Stone documentary, the new documentary on JFK. It's heavy, man.
It's really interesting.
ari shaffir
That same shit, they're like, no, what do you mean?
And it's like, obviously, it's the same thing with Nancy Pelosi.
He's like, no, I don't share that information with my husband.
Why would I? He just happened to make a lot of money in this thing, the only thing I knew about.
joe rogan
We should totally be allowed to participate.
ari shaffir
Dude, I made so many people mad when your deal came up, your Spotify deal.
And I was like, yeah, you told me about it before it went public.
And I put like 10, 20 grand into the stock market.
And I skirted by it.
People were like, that's clear insider trading!
Reported, reported.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
So that would be insider trading.
ari shaffir
For sure.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
For sure.
Using information.
Like, I know what players hurt.
Oh, let me bet against that team.
joe rogan
What if I gambled on Spotify?
Would that be insider information if I'm a part of it?
If it's about me?
ari shaffir
You had to get stock options, right?
unidentified
I know!
jamie vernon
I think you were supposed to wait for the announcement so it's fair for everyone.
I think that's the thing.
joe rogan
That's the rule?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's got to be fair.
ari shaffir
That makes sense.
joe rogan
So if I started negotiating with them like six months ago and then I started buying stock, what about that?
jamie vernon
That's the thing.
ari shaffir
So you'd have to wait for the announcement to buy it.
jamie vernon
I believe.
joe rogan
See, that brings me back to the Pete Rose thing.
I think it's okay to bet on yourself.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think so too.
Like, I'm going to increase the stock at this place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I could see how that would be, that's insider trading.
ari shaffir
But when I uploaded my podcast to Spotify, like, it didn't do anything to the stocks.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
So if I was like, I'm going to bet on myself to change the stock, even if I told them, they'd be like, no, that's not insider trading.
You're just guessing if you're going to do that.
Same as you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not really.
ari shaffir
You knew who would help them?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the whole plan.
ari shaffir
That's probably why they gave you a bunch of money.
joe rogan
That's why they gave me the money.
They don't like me.
ari shaffir
They don't care.
tony hinchcliffe
You mean it's all about business?
joe rogan
The head guy likes me.
I like him too.
He's great.
Yeah, it's business, man.
But this is the only time where the left is actively calling for people to be removed because they're saying things you don't like.
ari shaffir
It is wild.
It's like, it's not for you then.
Can't I just talk to my friends?
joe rogan
Well, there's some people that think you shouldn't be allowed to say things they disagree with.
And it's a thing that they say without thinking too deeply about it, and they say because other people around them say it as well.
And that's one of the reasons why people are so excited about deplatforming, because with some people, it works.
ari shaffir
Cool, they're gone now.
joe rogan
Yeah, like Milo.
Milo's a great example.
They removed him from the conversation.
He was always in the conversation.
He was always saying outrageous things.
ari shaffir
He wasn't going to anyone's account and spamming it or anything like that.
He was just saying shit on his own.
joe rogan
He just happened to be right wing.
And they didn't like it.
And they didn't like that he was right wing and that he was a gay guy.
Because then you give a little bit of leeway.
ari shaffir
He was one of the first ones that were like, can we turn into gay?
And then it was like, yeah, finally yes.
joe rogan
If you were an unscrupulous politician, if you were an unscrupulous politician, do you think that you would pretend to be gay so that you could fit right into the woke moment and perhaps maybe even be president?
ari shaffir
The only question I have is what do you mean by unscrupulous?
For sure I would do that.
joe rogan
Would you do it to be mayor?
ari shaffir
Yeah, if it's all retarded anyway, then like, yeah, I'm gonna fucking join in.
I'll be like, I'll use it.
unidentified
But I mean, it's, if you were- Yes, mayor, senator, anything, of course, of course.
ari shaffir
Oh, you're saying only mayor.
joe rogan
In this day, well, yeah, only mayor.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
What if it's like mayor of like a small town?
ari shaffir
If I want the office, yes, for sure.
Why not?
If it doesn't matter, we judge people based on who they are, not their fucking...
That's not true.
Then I'll say I'm this.
joe rogan
That's not true.
A lot of people lie people.
ari shaffir
The three of us.
joe rogan
We do.
ari shaffir
We're like, I don't care, so I'm like, what does it matter?
joe rogan
But my point is, there's some social clout to being a part, like if you want like...
ari shaffir
Villagrosa changed his name.
Same shit, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
It's like you're using...
Theismann changed his name to get a fucking Heismann.
joe rogan
Well, Villa La Grossa was Villar, right?
And then he married a lady, and they combined their two names, and that was Villa La Grossa.
ari shaffir
Ah, that's not as bad.
tony hinchcliffe
Same with Beto O'Rourke.
ari shaffir
What was he?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh, his name's not Beto.
It's like Robert or something, right?
joe rogan
Well, the craziest one is Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City.
That's not his name.
ari shaffir
What is his name?
joe rogan
Oh, it's like Wilhelm or something like that.
What is his name?
ari shaffir
Hmm.
joe rogan
It's a crazy name.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you said it last time I was here.
I remember.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a crazy name.
And you go, what?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, Beto made his Beto so that the Mexican people in Texas would vote for him.
ari shaffir
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Is Beto?
What does that mean?
tony hinchcliffe
O'Rourke is Irish.
Beto is...
joe rogan
Warren Wilheim Jr. Wilheim.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Bill de Blasio, Warren Wilheim Jr. What?
tony hinchcliffe
Sounds like a guy at the Nuremberg trial.
joe rogan
He changed everything about his name.
ari shaffir
Sure does.
Hate speech.
joe rogan
He changed everything about his name.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Like, everything.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm just Bill de Blasio.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was a while, I bet, where if you had a name like that, it could be a problem, right?
Like during the post-World War II times, when people still had a fear of Nazis.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Wilhelm Noeck.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a heavy German name.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We changed our name after the war.
It's very German-sounding.
joe rogan
What it used to be.
ari shaffir
Spitzer.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
You ever thought about going back to that just to fuck up your career?
ari shaffir
Not bad.
unidentified
Not bad.
ari shaffir
I am prone to doing things like that.
tony hinchcliffe
You had a German-sounding last name?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
That's wild.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of Italians did that.
They shortened their names.
They made it more digestible.
A lot of people did that.
I didn't think they thought it was a big deal to switch your name around a little bit.
tony hinchcliffe
What was your name?
Spitzer?
ari shaffir
Spitzer, yeah.
joe rogan
Spitzer?
ari shaffir
Spitzer.
tony hinchcliffe
Always took you as more of a shwallower.
joe rogan
He can't help himself.
ari shaffir
I didn't see it coming that time either.
joe rogan
You never see it coming.
unidentified
I do see it a lot.
tony hinchcliffe
The kid's an ace.
Aldo.
Aldo to my Connor.
joe rogan
Yeah, but changing your whole name like that, that's wild.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I mean, just like, and you're saying, oh yeah, the system is this dumb, and I'm going to join in with it, that I'll change my name.
It has anything to do with my policies.
joe rogan
Well, names could be an impediment, right?
If you have a funky name.
ari shaffir
It would be Goldberg.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good name.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's a good name.
ari shaffir
We should change it to that.
That ain't a Goldberg.
unidentified
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Tony Hinchcliffe's a horrible name.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a real name?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's a fit in Hollywood back then.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
What's her real name?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
Fucking...
joe rogan
That's wild.
Is that cultural appropriation?
jamie vernon
Karen Johnson.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, no way!
She's a Karen?
ari shaffir
She's a Karen!
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, my God!
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
ari shaffir
She's the number one black Karen!
unidentified
Oh, my God!
tony hinchcliffe
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
Wow.
ari shaffir
Whoopi Goldberg.
And she was getting into what run profession?
tony hinchcliffe
It was probably Mitzi that made her do it, too.
unidentified
Oh, it could be.
ari shaffir
You're right.
tony hinchcliffe
I'll bet you anything.
You should say you're Whoopi.
joe rogan
Wow.
Mitzi used to do that to everybody, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
But did she have that kind of influence on Whoopi's career?
ari shaffir
Early on.
She doesn't open mic or she gets her two years into comedy.
She's like, I'll take your word for it.
I don't know.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Dave Tyree, remember?
He was Dave Tyre, but no one could pronounce it.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
One E at the end, so people kept saying Tyre, so he was like, let me just throw another E so you can pronounce it right.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
ari shaffir
Love that old guy.
What happened to him?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I remember when Jamie Masada used to give guys advice.
She told my friend he should be Generation X guy.
You should be Generation X guy, buddy.
This is you when you go on stage.
ari shaffir
This is you now.
You're doing it.
You're doing it.
tony hinchcliffe
You know what he told me in my first year?
ari shaffir
I loved it.
unidentified
What?
tony hinchcliffe
You ready for this shit?
He said I should start dressing like a cowboy and wear a cowboy hat.
unidentified
What?
tony hinchcliffe
I swear to God.
joe rogan
So you could be like Woody from Toy Story.
tony hinchcliffe
And I spent the first 14 years of my career thinking it's the stupidest shit I ever heard in the last year living it up.
unidentified
Thanks, James.
joe rogan
A lot of times, I mean, he's got to get some good advice out there.
Like, has he ever given anybody good advice that they went with and turned out to be a good move?
ari shaffir
I never heard of one.
joe rogan
It has to be.
When you're around comedy that much.
ari shaffir
Mitzi gave me tons of good advice.
joe rogan
What did she say to you that was good advice?
ari shaffir
To hype her when I was an open-miker.
It's like you shouldn't hype yourself up that much.
Stop doing open mics.
You're getting bad habits.
tony hinchcliffe
We were just talking about this last night.
ari shaffir
They're great, but at some point it's like I'm only entertaining the most jaded people in the world.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's also a bit of a defense mechanism where you'll say things just to make the comics laugh, like inside jokes.
ari shaffir
Exactly, because that is your audience.
tony hinchcliffe
I had a real in-depth talk last night to one of my favorite young comedians about that, because he's a hustler, but he's hustling the wrong direction.
joe rogan
We were talking about how occasionally he finds himself in front of two people in the audience, and they're both comics.
ari shaffir
And then you train that way, the way you clearly come out of the Boston bar scene.
It's like, they're coming out of that, you gotta get away from it.
But I was like, well, why am I supposed to get up?
That's the only place I get up.
And you take a few months of less spots, and then your body will make you find the good spots.
joe rogan
It's amazing that an art form that is so well-regarded, where people love to go see it, and whenever a big comic has a special, it's always a big deal, and yet there's no real structure on how someone develops.
tony hinchcliffe
We were talking the other day on the road about how when I found out that open mics were free and that you could just go sign up and get better and you didn't have to pay anything.
It didn't make any sense comparing it to college, comparing it to Anything.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
You could get better at something for free.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Anyway, if you're on Comic and listening, I don't remember what I said anymore, but there's a video online of me talking about pretty much one and two year comics, giving advice.
I would think some of it would still hold up.
joe rogan
I don't remember anymore.
Yeah, you did that in Tempe, right?
ari shaffir
No, at the Comedy Store.
joe rogan
You did it at Tempe, too, though.
You did it maybe non-filmed.
You did it a couple of places.
ari shaffir
Maybe a class came by and said, do you want to talk to them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I was like, okay.
joe rogan
What you did was you said you were going to...
You did it a couple of times, and I thought it was really smart because you basically answered, like, how do you get a manager?
How do you go on the road?
ari shaffir
It's so unclear when you start.
You're like, I don't know about any of this.
joe rogan
Well, I was thinking that, like, everybody does it very differently.
You can't teach a person who does it, say, like Judah Freelander style, to start doing it like William Montgomery, right?
They both have totally different styles, and one's an absurdist in one way, and one's an absurdist in another way.
But there's some, like, universal truths.
ari shaffir
So that's what you tell them.
It's like, develop whatever jokes you want, but hey, these are your friends.
Don't forget to make friends with your friends.
They'll help you out.
Shit like that.
Yeah, how to do your taxes and to duck stuff.
joe rogan
There's way more of that friend stuff now than there ever has been before.
Everybody was rivals back then.
ari shaffir
Yeah, now it's great.
joe rogan
Now it's way better.
ari shaffir
We're not trying to get any roles for the most part.
So it's just like, hey, do you want to come to my podcast?
I'll promote you and you'll get better off and then my podcast will be better because you're here.
joe rogan
I feel like this is genuinely the only time where a large group of comics are completely independent.
ari shaffir
Independent.
How great is this?
joe rogan
Completely independent and mainstream at the same time.
So mainstream in the numbers that they hit, but like Tom Segura and Christina Pazitsky, I did your mom's house live, and I was like, this is crazy!
Like, this is the craziest thing anyone's doing on the internet.
They do a pay-per-view.
The things you see are fucking horrific, and disgusting, and insane, and hilarious, and the two of them are hilarious.
And I go, this is a genius thing to do.
You find videos that literally you can't get anywhere else.
Like, if you get...
ari shaffir
Couldn't put up on any platform.
joe rogan
No chance.
ari shaffir
Has to be pay-per-view.
What a smart, great idea.
joe rogan
Has to be pay-per-view.
And you watch, and you're like, what in the fuck?
ari shaffir
A guy stuck a peg in his ass and they played carnival style ring toss onto the fucking peg.
joe rogan
That's nothing.
Shit eating is what gets me.
When people start eating shit, I just...
I had to turn away three or four times.
ari shaffir
Oh my god, that's great.
joe rogan
Watching the live thing.
I can't watch people eat shit.
I don't know why.
ari shaffir
Just for one other thing, Baby Bird was close to that.
joe rogan
Baby Bird was close.
ari shaffir
Everyone eating their own vomit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
ari shaffir
In a small room.
That was king of radio series.
joe rogan
It was a guy vomiting in a guy's mouth.
ari shaffir
By the end.
First it started vomiting, gross, gross, gross.
Then somebody vomited into his Froot Loops and ate up his Froot Loops.
joe rogan
Yeah, with vomit in it.
But then the vomiting all over his mouth at the end.
When Pat Fumunaki vomited gallons of gallons of gallons of eggnog in this guy's face and mouth.
You've never seen it?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
ari shaffir
Who's in the room?
It's me, Joe Rogan, Bill Burr, Voss, I think?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And Opie and Anthony and Norton.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was an epic crowd of people.
And this kid, Pat Duffy, who's a fucking savage.
ari shaffir
Savage.
Savage.
Legend.
joe rogan
He would eat dog shit that he found on the ground that was dried up for a joke.
So here is Pat Fumunaku at the end of the eggnog challenge.
He's done.
ari shaffir
And he's eating like quarts.
The guy in the bottom was like, if you give me a job as an intern, I'm a racist.
unidentified
Pat, how are you?
joe rogan
So, he's lying there with his...
This is my idea, by the way.
When I was hosting Fear Factor, I was like, how about this?
We have this guy lean his head off the edge of the garbage can, and Paffermunaki throws up in his mouth.
ari shaffir
He's diabetic, Paffermunaki.
Just drank a hundred cups of eggnog.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
So he has to throw it up or he'll die.
unidentified
I got mine done.
Oh, mine's mine.
Wasn't that crazy?
joe rogan
It's Palpat 2.
It's so crazy, dude.
And he's an enormous fella.
So Pat is standing over him.
ari shaffir
74. 74 shots of eggnog.
joe rogan
He's getting another one.
And he's about to bust.
So he fills up again.
These are the good old days.
By the way, this show, doing this show, was one of the main reasons why I wound up doing stand-up.
unidentified
This was FM, too.
joe rogan
Excuse me.
ari shaffir
These were the good radio shows.
This was FM. This wasn't even the serious part.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
Okay, here it goes.
No, no, no, no.
You ain't seen shit.
That's just the first burst.
unidentified
He's got eight or nine more rounds in him.
joe rogan
Waiting for this?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
It gets worse.
It gets worse.
It's cartoon.
It's cartoonish.
Wow!
It's cartoonish.
ari shaffir
The visceral sounds.
It's like a champion's ace.
unidentified
And the final burst.
One more!
One more?
joe rogan
I think he's got one more in him.
unidentified
Oh, he's covered!
joe rogan
I think he's got one more in him.
unidentified
He looks like a mummy.
He thought it was done!
It's impossible!
joe rogan
It's impossible.
He might have one more!
ari shaffir
No way!
No way!
joe rogan
Oh my gosh!
Now, who named it a baby bird?
ari shaffir
You got credit for it and said that wasn't me.
It might have been Burr.
joe rogan
It sounds like a Burr thing.
ari shaffir
It might have been Voss.
joe rogan
We can't top that.
You can find that.
It's still available on YouTube for some strange reason.
ari shaffir
They took it down that night?
jamie vernon
It's not on YouTube, actually.
There's a version of it, but that's not the one I'm flying from.
ari shaffir
Look at the phone quality of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Whose phone was it?
ari shaffir
It's a fucking flip phone.
Whoever it was, I don't know.
joe rogan
Who was filming it?
unidentified
Was it me?
Maybe them.
ari shaffir
Might have been you.
You probably had the best technology then.
tony hinchcliffe
Actually, it looks like it's on a tripod or something.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
It's pretty still.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's not moving at all.
You're right, it is.
tony hinchcliffe
That's how long ago it was.
ari shaffir
It could have been a webcam.
It might have been a webcam.
They had to bring it in for this.
joe rogan
There was multiple versions.
Oh, this is a PalTalk Cap version.
ari shaffir
Oh, PalTalk.
Remember PalTalk?
joe rogan
PalTalk was the thing that only those guys used back then for the radio show.
They were the kings.
And they did it because you had to use Windows, too.
I remember that.
You couldn't get it on a Mac.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
But there's versions of it from someone's phone, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why there's a couple different...
jamie vernon
So there's this one, too.
But it was, like, not playing.
It was showing more of it.
And maybe this is...
ari shaffir
Clear.
jamie vernon
But it keeps stopping the video.
Like, it picks up.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, this is a different angle.
ari shaffir
They cut it.
Ew.
Ew.
unidentified
Come on.
Ugh.
ari shaffir
He opened his mouth.
joe rogan
Yeah, this might be me.
tony hinchcliffe
Ugh.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure I had a video of it back then.
And I think I had...
Oh, my God.
tony hinchcliffe
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah, because that looked better than the PalTalk version, which is like a webcam.
Webcams back then were pretty shit.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
When was that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
ari shaffir
2006. Oh shit, sorry.
joe rogan
I was going to guess.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it said from the side.
I was going to say 2005. God, that was fucking great.
I really felt like I was a belonging comic being there.
What a fucking fun time.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things that Opie and Anthony gave you.
Gave all of us.
You felt like you were in Third Angle.
ari shaffir
Third Angle.
There's a Pruder film.
unidentified
It's the grassy doll shot.
joe rogan
It seems like...
When you would get on that show and you would all bust balls, and Patrice was there, and Voss was there, and all these guys were there, and you would always generally have like four or five guys in a room.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And we learned to do podcasts.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's the start of a podcast with comics.
ari shaffir
Everyone's joking around.
joe rogan
And then when Anthony started doing his own shit from his basement and started streaming it, I remember thinking, oh, now I can do that.
ari shaffir
How'd you do that?
joe rogan
He was doing karaoke while holding a machine gun.
unidentified
So he's holding a machine gun and he's singing karaoke.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's got a green screen.
So he's like on a penthouse apartment in New York City.
There's an American flag behind him.
You could do all kinds of wild shit if you have a green screen.
unidentified
What's that?
jamie vernon
Fourth angle.
joe rogan
Enough, you son of a bitch.
It is on YouTube.
unidentified
It is on YouTube.
tony hinchcliffe
Jamie's going to come out with one that has a camera in the guy's mouth.
joe rogan
Can you see if you can find Anthony Cumia live from the compound?
See if any of that's available online.
So Anthony had this thing.
He set up a full professional thing for a goof.
Because Anthony is like a single guy, no kids, tons of loot.
Tons of loot, and he's wild.
He's a fun dude.
So he wanted to just get hammered all the time.
He had a keg with Guinness in it and shit.
ari shaffir
His pad was great.
joe rogan
Crazy!
ari shaffir
It was a good party pad.
joe rogan
He was a wild man because he was a really wealthy older bachelor who was a beloved radio host and in his spare time would do his own show.
And this own show that he did, he went out, man.
I mean, he got fucking like real broadcast desks and real microphones.
It was the first guy that ever did this.
This is his green screen in his fucking house doing live from the compound.
ari shaffir
Crazy gun guy.
They don't even know who it is.
joe rogan
He's that gun on his leg?
That's for real.
Like, that's not a prop.
ari shaffir
And the machine gun is?
joe rogan
He would walk around with a gun on him all over his...
Like, if someone broke into his house, he was ready.
ari shaffir
He was like, oh, thank you.
joe rogan
He was ready.
He's one of those guys.
jamie vernon
There's also this one, which is Live Carry.
ari shaffir
That's Pat.
joe rogan
What year is this?
jamie vernon
2011. Yeah, the one before it was 2010, it said.
So he was doing this for a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he started in like 2007 or 2008, if I remember correctly.
And I think there was a problem with either XM or Sirius, whichever one, didn't want him doing it.
And he's like, look, all this does is bring more people to the show.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
And they had an issue with him broadcasting on another platform.
But it was totally for free.
What year was it?
Did it say?
ari shaffir
Yeah, they were like, you're going to watch this instead of the other ones.
He's like, they're going to do both.
joe rogan
Yeah, so these are just a few videos.
I mean, he was doing it all the time.
What you're seeing is just like what somebody uploaded somewhere.
jamie vernon
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Is it Kunia's channel?
ari shaffir
Jesus!
tony hinchcliffe
Look at his guy!
ari shaffir
Oh my god!
Sniper?
joe rogan
It's a ridiculous crazy gun guy karaoke.
Let me hear what this is.
ari shaffir
Oh, this is his.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's gonna sing?
Why he's holding a giant gun.
unidentified
So I saw him doing this.
ari shaffir
One of a kind.
joe rogan
And me and Red Band were like, hey, man, we can do this.
And then we said, let's just start streaming something on Ustream.
But I guarantee you, he was a giant factor in me deciding to do a podcast.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Because I realized you don't have to have a studio.
You don't have to be on Sirius.
ari shaffir
Because we all wanted to do radio.
We don't want to wake up.
We don't have to have these dumb rules.
joe rogan
And I went to Adam Carolla's place, but Adam Carolla had a real professional setup.
Adam Carolla had a garage that he used to keep his cars in.
And Adam was the first rich guy to get into podcasting, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, he got thrown off the radio.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was doing really well on the radio.
ari shaffir
They changed format, and they said, you're all done, but you can still maintain your contract.
They went to Spanish, but you can't do any of the radio.
But he did the internet.
Right.
joe rogan
So he did it on the internet, and it was a loophole.
So he did his show, and I remember doing it at his place, thinking, wow, this is, like, unattainable.
Like, how would I get a building?
How would I get all these employees?
And I remember thinking, what is all these fucking people running the cameras and shit?
God, it's so many.
And I remember thinking, this is so much, like, God, I wish I could do this.
And then I saw Anthony, I'm like, oh, I could do that.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
ari shaffir
Very few just turn it on, turn it on.
joe rogan
Yeah, but even what he did, like what Anthony did, he had like a professional desk setup and like those big-ass broadcast cameras and he knew how to like, and he had employees, he had people working for him and shit.
ari shaffir
You had Redband.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Figure it out.
joe rogan
Well, we figured it out.
Well, you know what we figured out?
Like in the beginning was just simple, webcam.
And then add a few things.
Okay, now do another webcam and this one you can split angles.
So there's like one half of the screen is you, one half of the screen is me.
ari shaffir
It was a good example of how you just try something and it's like, you don't have to get it right.
Just start.
Just start.
You know?
It was Justin TV and just like, figure it out.
joe rogan
If I had an executive and I said, I need an investor in my project.
Well, what is it?
Well, come on over.
I'll show you what we're doing.
ari shaffir
No way.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
You guys are getting way too high.
You forget what you're talking about.
ari shaffir
When did you make your first dollar in it?
Besides ticket sales.
joe rogan
Years in.
ari shaffir
Years and years.
joe rogan
Yeah, years in.
But I didn't even think about it that way.
ari shaffir
Yeah, no, it was just fun.
It was fun.
joe rogan
And then when I got people like Graham Hancock on, I realized I can talk to really interesting people.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And then I met Aubrey for the Fleshlight, and that became our big sponsor.
ari shaffir
Fleshlight, that's right.
Aubrey, was that Fleshlight?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was the head guy over at Fleshlight.
ari shaffir
And then on his stuff?
Oh, interesting.
unidentified
That was back when he was Chris.
ari shaffir
Adam and Eve was a big one at first.
No, Fleshlight was your first one.
joe rogan
100%.
That was my first sponsor.
ari shaffir
And only for a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, because nobody else wanted to be on it.
We gave these horrendous fleshlight ads.
These ads were just so repulsive.
ari shaffir
They were so graphic and funny.
unidentified
And then we gave people free fleshlights if they were a guest.
joe rogan
A lot of people didn't want them.
ari shaffir
I never took one.
I was afraid of the road.
joe rogan
The road, just you with this flashlight.
ari shaffir
It was not going to be good.
joe rogan
Fucking it all the time.
tony hinchcliffe
They go through your bag at TSA. What's this?
ari shaffir
I'll show you.
joe rogan
It's kind of funny where podcasts came from and what it is now.
ari shaffir
A little more professional now.
joe rogan
Well, that's also, it's still like a big business, but we still do it kind of the same way we did it when we did it back then.
It's not much difference.
You act like how you would act if we were all hanging out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
If we were all hanging out acting stupid, this is exactly how we would talk.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But now a lot of people listen.
That's the difference.
ari shaffir
I still try to do it from weird places.
joe rogan
I know you do.
ari shaffir
I love it.
It's so fun.
joe rogan
You like to do them in other countries and shit.
Do them on lawn chairs.
ari shaffir
On top of the Great Wall of China.
I was like, let me record a podcast up here.
unidentified
It's a good move.
tony hinchcliffe
We did one in a car like nine years ago, me, you, and Matt Edgar.
ari shaffir
To try to drive it.
Did we do one out in Joshua Tree?
tony hinchcliffe
On our way there, or?
ari shaffir
Car ones are great.
unidentified
Me and Norman do a few of those.
joe rogan
I've done, I think, one from a car, but we did a bunch from a plane.
ari shaffir
Me and you.
We had a joint cost.
joe rogan
Tony and I as well.
We did a plane.
I think we did like four on planes.
I think I did one with Tommy on a plane once, too.
tony hinchcliffe
Me, you, and Dana White.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
Flying back from Australia, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, we did one in Australia.
It was such a long flight.
I just killed two hours.
joe rogan
You could write a book on that flight.
You can't even go over there now.
ari shaffir
Wow, yeah.
joe rogan
If you go over there, I think you have to quarantine for a long time.
And if you're not vaccinated, they won't even let you in.
It's a wrap, kids!
ari shaffir
One more date.
Me and Jay Oakerson and Bobby Kelly are doing two shows in Michigan, Grand Rapids and Detroit.
Presale starts January 5th at noon.
Use promo code ROGAN to get in the presale.
joe rogan
Is that AriTheGreat.com for that?
ari shaffir
Yeah, AriTheGreat.com for that.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tonys, every Monday.
Best live comedy show in the country.
ari shaffir
Best live comedy show in the country.
tony hinchcliffe
And I'm going back on tour, too.
It's funny you mention Michigan.
I'm doing a couple cities there, and Phoenix, and Philadelphia, Miami.
I just announced it.
It's all at TonyHinchcliffe.com.
ari shaffir
So fun to be back on the road in front of a live audience.
joe rogan
It is.
And now that you've already caught the cooties, you have bulletproof immunity.
ari shaffir
It's so hard for me not to be a full Republican on it.
joe rogan
Oh, I should say this again while I'm still talking about this because it's come up multiple times.
I'm going to say it again.
I've talked to more than one person who said they got COVID twice.
And I know Dr. Peter McCullough, who was on the podcast the other day, said you can't get it twice because it's 90% similar to the original SARS. And the original SARS, people have long-lasting immunity.
You mean the original COVID? Nope, SARS. SARS-CoV-2 is this.
ari shaffir
The original SARS. So many people test positive twice.
joe rogan
Yeah, so this guy said on the podcast, he said you can't get it again, but I know multiple people who said they've got it again, including Mo Amer, Steve Simone.
One of Tom Segura's relatives got it twice.
ari shaffir
Simone for sure.
joe rogan
Simone thinks he got it twice.
tony hinchcliffe
Wasn't the doctor talking specifically about Omicron?
joe rogan
No, no.
He was talking about COVID. He was saying that COVID-19 was 90% similar to SARS and that when people got over SARS from 18 years ago, they still have immunity, they test for it today.
Might be that it's not impossible to get it, but it's way, way, way harder for you to get it.
ari shaffir
I haven't heard anybody get it bad the second time.
joe rogan
Right.
Mo Hammer barely got anything the second time he got it.
But the thing is, if you had it a second time, you might be able to give it to somebody who doesn't have the immunity, and they might get fucked up.
It's all confusing.
So, my point is, this guy saying that you can't get it twice, I don't know if that's correct.
ari shaffir
Since the last time I was here, I had COVID. I don't know what does what, but just in the interest of being open, whatever, I immediately took Based on my weight, 18 milligrams of ivermectin, like as soon as I got it.
I was also vaccinated.
So these are two things.
And then another one, I took those monoclonal drips that are available everywhere in Florida.
They're begging people to come get it.
If you're exposed to COVID, like Simone was, they're like, you can get it.
He tested negative.
Like, you can go get that too.
And they're just like, they're there in Florida for everybody.
And they fucking, I don't know, whatever.
But Simone was saying goodbye to his mom.
What do you want me to tell your grandkids when they come?
You're not going to be around.
She was dying.
And then the monoclonal stuff in August got around.
She took that and it turned her around.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's better if you take it early.
ari shaffir
Right away, yeah.
It was a long road back, but...
joe rogan
It's better if you take it early, but there's been, you know, stories about people who take it many days into it and still have good results, but either way, it's an effective treatment that people need to know about, because even if you're vaccinated, this shouldn't be a vaccine, unvaccinated, like, fuck you, I'm not going to listen to you because you're not vaccinated.
Just listen about medicine to these people that take it and find substantial benefits from it.
ari shaffir
It works.
joe rogan
It works in everybody that I know that's taken it.
ari shaffir
I tested negative in three days from testing positive.
I took the monoclonal drips the second day.
joe rogan
So two days after that, I was testing negative for COVID. Everything's got so political that anything that you say that's anything other than the vaccine, people literally don't want to hear it, especially people that are pro-vaccine.
They just don't want to hear it.
ari shaffir
But if these things, they don't hurt you if you take them, right?
joe rogan
No, they don't.
ari shaffir
So even if it's not that, go ahead and get it.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe they hurt some people.
I mean, I think if you give enough people a thing, some people are going to get fucked up by it.
Just because of biodiversity.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Just because so many people...
People are so different.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's not one...
I mean, maybe there's like one medicine, maybe there's a few...
But people die from aspirin, man.
tony hinchcliffe
People are allergic to fucking peanuts.
joe rogan
A lot of people are allergic to peanuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
Meanwhile, peanut butter and jelly is like the lunch bag sandwich.
joe rogan
I am self-destructive and it's one o'clock in the morning.
I come home from a comedy show and I'm self-destructive.
I will have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and a big glass of milk.
ari shaffir
Joey Rose's, Joe DeRosa's new sandwich place, has a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Hold on.
joe rogan
Joe DeRosa has a sandwich place?
ari shaffir
Yeah, in like a Lower East Side.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Joey Rose's just opened it up.
What's he doing?
Sandwich and bar.
Sandwich place and bar.
tony hinchcliffe
No shit!
Good for him.
He did it, he bought it.
ari shaffir
He just opened it.
unidentified
Wow!
ari shaffir
It's great.
And that peanut butter and jelly sandwich is my favorite, but he's an artist with the sandwiches.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, they're so fucking high tech.
joe rogan
Joe DeRose is a sandwich artist.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is he getting bigger because he works there?
ari shaffir
It just opened.
I assume he will.
He's been drinking heavily for fucking 25 years, though.
joe rogan
If I opened a sandwich drop, that would be a real problem.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'd get fat so quick.
Look at that!
Joey Roses.
Wow.
Good for him.
ari shaffir
Peanut butter, grape jelly, ruffled potato chips.
joe rogan
How big is this place?
ari shaffir
It's a cool bar to hang out in.
Probably like 30, 40 people could be there, 50. Nice.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Is he still doing a lot of stand-up?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
How does he juggle the two of them?
ari shaffir
Look at that!
Joey Rose's.
joe rogan
He's got a fucking cool place.
ari shaffir
It's a cool bar.
It's a cool bar to hang out in.
joe rogan
Wow!
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
A bar and sandwiches.
What a great idea.
Good for him.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
He's a good dude too.
ari shaffir
Great dude.
Don't try to win the offer shots.
Say no.
joe rogan
Oh, why?
He gets fucked up?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And then he's like, come on, pussy, take it.
And then fucking an hour later, he's throwing up.
And it's like, fuck you.
joe rogan
That old trick.
ari shaffir
I know myself by now.
unidentified
A shot?
ari shaffir
What's that?
It's like, I know where I am.
unidentified
Okay.
ari shaffir
All right.
joe rogan
Let's wrap this up.
Goodbye, everybody.
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