Shane Dorian joins Joe Rogan to debunk NFTs as "physical digital" nonsense, then contrasts viral art with the disputed $450M Salvador Mondays painting. They pivot to Instagram’s Meta rebranding and podcast saturation, with Joe clarifying Spotify’s licensing issues. Dorian reveals his near-death shark bite survival at Banyans and extreme breath-holding (5:34 static, 1:45 under pressure), likening it to free diving. Frustrated by media bias, they dissect the Ghislaine Maxwell trial’s lack of transparency versus Epstein’s suspicious death, warning of potential witness murder cover-ups. Rogan slams Australia’s COVID policies—quarantine camps, vaccine mandates for kids—and systemic treatment disparities, exposing profit-driven health narratives and questioning immunity claims. Dorian’s wild-game diet and Rogan’s CBD habits cap a bizarre yet insightful three-hour dive into tech, health, and societal extremes. [Automatically generated summary]
It's NFT. Yeah, it's not the most expensive artwork, but it's the most expensive NFT. The most expensive artwork is well more than that.
The most expensive painting, I believe, is that really controversial painting that they're trying to credit it with being a Leonardo da Vinci, but I think it's in dispute, and then it's also in dispute as to how many people painted it.
Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are really good at faking.
Yeah.
Historical artists.
There was one documentary that I remember watching of this one guy who's an incredibly talented artist who can mimic the way Picasso painted, the way Rembrandt painted, and he would develop these fakes.
Yeah, there's a lot of people on there that are just speaking to the choir.
It's funny because you can tell based on someone's, you know, who they are, how people are going to respond to the things they write.
You know, like, if someone is politically, you know, very left-wing, if they get trolled a lot, though, that's what's interesting.
So, like, they'll post something, and if they don't control who comments, you'll see, like, whenever a politician posts something, you get a bunch of the people that oppose them on the other side just attacking them and mocking them and belittling them.
It's just a super unhealthy way to communicate, all of it.
And how the algorithm works, how it like creates an echo chamber in your feed, it allows you to think that the way you think is the way everybody thinks because everybody, you know, all this stuff like populates into your feed.
Like if you're, you know, whatever your political views are or your religious views are, you just end up having that's all in your feed.
So like you walk out of your Twitter world and you think everyone thinks like you and when they don't, you start hating those people instead of just having like a disagreement with their views and their ideology.
Well, that's what's going on clearly in the polarized parts of our country, whether it's polarized on the right or polarized on the left.
They think that everybody should think their way.
Oh, I should point this out while we're talking about this.
There's a bunch of people that have been saying that Peter McCullough, the doctor that was on the other day, Is complaining about being censored on the internet because the podcast has been removed from YouTube and some other places that he uploaded it.
I just talked to Peter and that's not him.
So it's someone imitating him.
Now whether or not it's someone on his team that's imitating him and he doesn't know about it, but the posts from his account that are complaining about being censored, he had no idea what I was talking about.
When I talked to him, he was like rattling off all those things, studies and this thing, and I've got this new study and this new data, and he's just being like how he was in the podcast, just like super nerded out on medical statistics, and he had no idea.
So yeah, the whole Twitter thing and social media is very confusing.
There's people pretending to be me, and I've tried to do something about it, but I don't know what to do with it.
There's multiple people pretending to be me and uploading things.
He goes, I was not aware that it has been Removed or even re-uploaded.
And I just don't have time for that.
I'm in the middle of a conference right now.
And I'm doing a conference right now.
I'm speaking to 100 doctors.
And he's like rattling off data to me.
And the dude's just a fucking freight train of information.
It's a good one, but I just want everybody to know it is not Dr. Peter McCullough that is complaining about censorship.
And if the podcast gets uploaded anywhere else, whether it's YouTube or Rumble and it gets taken down, it's not being taken down because of censorship.
It's being taken down because Spotify owns the podcast.
Spotify licensed the podcast for the years that I'm on Spotify, so you can't upload it anywhere else.
It doesn't mean it's being censored.
It means you gotta go to Spotify to watch it.
It's available for free for everybody, but, you know, Spotify's paying for it.
That's why you can't just fucking upload it to places.
There's a bunch of people that are saying that Spotify is in dispute with comedians and they're not paying comedians, so they're removing comedians off of their platform instead of paying them royalties.
It's quite a bit more complicated than that.
And here's what I know.
There's a company that is They're claiming they represent all these comedians, but they don't.
And they're reaching out to Spotify as representatives of these comedians.
How do I know this?
Because they're claiming to represent me.
And they don't.
They have no business with me.
And yet they were claiming to represent me.
So I don't know what the fuck is going on, but because of the complaints, I've reached out to Spotify to go, hey, what is this?
What's happening here?
Give me the real story.
And then I got from my managers that these people are actually claiming they represent you, which is 100% not true.
So there's some fuckery going on.
And most likely it's someone who's trying to do something and make it look like they're in business with all these high-profile people and then do something with the royalties and try to...
Get money for these people and maybe take a piece of it or something.
I don't know what the deal is.
But I do know whoever these people are, they're pretending that they represent me when they fucking for sure don't.
One of my really, really good friends has a podcast.
And he said, you know, we do my podcast.
And I said, no.
He's one of my really good friends.
He's all, what?
You go on Joe Rogan's podcast and you can't do mine?
And you're like, one of my best friends.
But he's the kind of guy, he's one of these guys who likes to start things, but doesn't follow through all the time.
So I told him, I said, I'll do your hundredth episode.
So you got to prove to me that you're serious about this whole podcast thing.
You know, a podcast can be easy to start, but you know, having like a track record, having like hundreds and hundreds of podcasts, a lot of people give up before then, right?
I was snowboarding in Mammoth, California with my son Jackson last winter and they had 10 feet of snow in 3 days.
10 feet of snow in 3 days.
We parked our car, went to sleep, woke up in the morning and our car was like a mound of snow.
It was like a 12 foot mound of snow and my car wasn't there.
Anyway, I was following him down the hill and he didn't realize how close I was behind him.
And we were flying, going super, super fast.
And then he just stopped on a dime to stop, to wait for me.
He thought I was like 100 yards behind him or whatever.
I was right behind him, which is my fault.
You should never do that, but I didn't really know that.
So I was right on top of him instantly.
And a snowboard's deadly, right?
Like super sharp edges.
And I just went...
I was on my toe edge so I just couldn't stop instantaneously and I was going to run right into him so I literally just tried to jump over him because I didn't want my board to hit him and kill him.
I had to make this choice super fast in a split second and so literally he just stopped and I was right on top of him and I jumped to get over him and he was standing next to a tree and my legs went right around the tree.
It was one of those like instantaneous like it all happened so quick but it was like almost in slow motion as I like fell into the snow and just went like the next year flashed before my eyes like holy shit.
All this fun shit that I really really wanted to do just evaporated into thin air.
And then your body re-proliferates it with its own cells and it takes like six to nine months for that to fully happen.
But the problem is you start feeling pretty good Like a couple months in and a lot of guys, especially a lot of fighters, they blow their knee out a second time.
I feel like there's some injuries where stem cells would be super effective, but it's not like, you know, like, Robitussin has that, like, put Robitussin on it.
So, like, I think there's some injuries that, like, stem cells may not do that much, but for, like, my knee or your rotator cuff, I mean, I'm, like, a true believer now.
There was so much friction in my knee before we did that that day.
It just felt so, I don't know, clicky and stiff and lots of friction, like I said, and then all of a sudden it just felt lubricated, like it was being supported from the inside.
It was pretty awesome.
For those who have never tried stem cells for anything, I'm baffled by it.
It was like, I forget what it's called, a frayed labrum, that's what it was, in her hip.
And she was really worried that she was going to have to have surgery because a friend of ours, his wife, had a very similar issue.
She was a dancer.
And she was all set up for surgery.
They were all set up for surgery and they said, let's just try stem cells before the surgery.
So they gave, not my wife, my friend's wife.
They gave her stem cells, and she was like scheduled for surgery.
They gave her stem cells, and then when they went in for surgery to look at it, like there's no injury here anymore.
So they did an invasive, non-invasive with, you know, they do like a little scope to go in there.
Like the injury's gone.
And she was already saying that the pain had stopped happening.
So all of the fray, all of the tear in the labrum had healed itself from stem cells.
And the same thing happened to my wife.
Like she had this frayed labrum and it was like really fucking with her.
She had one shot of stem cells in there and then like a couple months later there's no more pain.
It just healed itself.
It's amazing what they can do.
It's not everything.
You can't fix everything with it.
But you can most certainly fix things that you were fucked just five years ago or ten years ago.
And I think ten years from now, they'll probably have it even better.
And if you go to other countries, They can do wild shit.
Like, I have friends that go down to Colombia and to Peru and Panama, and they get stem cells down there, and holy jabezus, they can just do all kinds of crazy shit.
They just have you down there for three or four days and just keep shooting you up.
Well, there's some fishy stuff out there that people are hawking and there's some doctors that are, you know, like the stem cells thing, like I was saying this morning, is like a side hustle for some of these guys.
And so I was like pretty kind of skeptical.
And honestly, thank you for inviting me out here to do it.
My buddy, John Wolf, who's the head trainer over at the Honor Gym, he went down to Columbia for his back.
He went to the bioaccelerator people, and they shot stem cells into his discs in his spine, into all the discs that he was having issues with.
And he's like, my God.
They told me it was going to get worse before it got better because it'll be inflamed because of the treatment.
He goes, but honestly, it really didn't hurt that bad.
But within a couple of weeks, I started noticing I have more range of motion, more range of motion is back.
Conceivably, what they think they can do, whether they can do it now, it's hard to say what they're actually capable of doing in these other countries where they have way more leeway to try things out.
But conceivably in the future, They're going to be able to inject into the discs itself and you will grow more disc material.
So for people like me that have had like a lot of back trauma, like I've had from jujitsu in particular, everybody I know that does jujitsu has fucked up backs.
They all have fucked up discs because your discs shrink from just getting just smooshed all the time.
And they call it disc degeneration disease, but it's not really a disease.
And the problem is doctors want to just start fusing everything.
There's a lot of doctors.
Some doctors are more, they're looking at the body as a holistic unit and like, let's just keep everything healthy and let's see what we can do.
Alternative to surgery to try to help you.
But a lot of doctors are like, it's time to cut.
And I have friends that have had back surgery and the moment that they got Out of back surgery, other things started going wrong in their back, and then it was like a cascade.
It just kept happening, and they've had like three, four, five back surgeries where they have a bunch of discs that are fused together in their back, so their whole back is like this, and they're like a fucking...
A robot.
And then they have all sorts of weird problems.
Like I have one friend, one of his calves is atrophied because the nerves from the inflammation in his back surgery, there was an issue.
It went wrong.
And so his fucking calf is not getting the signals.
Think of all the shit, all the injuries that we've had and our friends have had that like 50, 60, 80 years ago, you basically would have just been like a cripple for the rest of your life.
Similar accident to what you had where someone was in front of me and I had I didn't want to hit them was some lady was skiing and she didn't know what she was doing and she sort of just slid backwards uncontrollably into the trail and I was coming around the corner I was like fuck And it was either hit this lady and wipe her out or find a way to fall.
And so I found a way, but it was not good because it was kind of icy.
And so my skis went out from under me, head first, banged my fucking head on the ground, fucked my leg up, wound up cracking my shin bone.
Yeah, there was definitely a lot of head trauma from that, but it was really more when I started kickboxing.
That's when I really started thinking about it.
Because in kickboxing, we were sparring a lot and you're getting hit in the head a lot.
And gym fights.
There's something that I just pulled up.
Jamie, see if you can find this.
I think I saved it, but they're essentially saying that...
Gym trauma, like trauma from getting punched.
Oh, go to the UG on Instagram.
There was an article, and I think they linked to the article, but they're saying that as much as 10 times the damage you get from fights, guys are getting from the gym.
Because they spar so hard in the gym, and you're doing it all the time.
There's a lot of guys, and I grew up at a time where people were not aware of CTE like they are now.
They thought people had brain damage if they were punch drunk, but they really thought it was after you got knocked out too many times.
They didn't realize that it's just from accumulation of sub-concussive blows.
So there it is.
This is the study.
A new study finding MMA fighters take 10 times more head trauma in training compared to fights.
10 times.
So think about all these fights that you see where people are in these crazy wild wars and now imagine that they get 10 times more of that trauma in the gym.
All the years of sparring, like how many times I got hit in the head and I'm like, what if one day I'm gone?
Like now I become this brain damaged guy.
Because there was guys that I knew from the gym that I knew them years ago and they were one way and now I know them and they're like slurring their words.
The reason I was asking you about that is because when I was listening about it this morning, I was thinking about I've had a lot of radical concussions from surfing and I had about five of them within like a four year period.
Like I became more fragile and more prone to concussions as time went on.
I was surfing big waves.
I was eating shit off like 50 foot waves, falling, you know, 30, 40 feet, 50 feet onto moving water.
Water that's moving super fast.
It feels like you're falling onto concrete.
And I was getting really horrible, horrible concussions where I was throwing up and like nauseous for 48 hours and like just really bad situations.
And I never really equated it to brain injury.
I don't know.
I just didn't really know that that's...
I didn't really know that concussions were bad for you.
I just figured they were bad.
They were like sore, and they're painful, and they're horribly, you know, they'd sucked when you're going through it, but then it was no big deal.
And then about two years ago, I was on a boat trip, and I met this guy, Fred, who's from California, and we started chatting about what we do, and he owns the Brain Treatment Center in California.
And he's like, this is what I do.
I have this brain treatment center.
And he's like, next time you're in California, you should come by and get an EEG, like get a reading of your brain.
And then you can just see what it looks like after all these concussions you're telling me about.
And so next time I was in California, I did that.
I got an EEG. And then it was really cool.
Like one of the scientists from the company, we did a rad Zoom call.
So he took me through my whole, like my scan report with all the data and all the charts and what it meant.
And it was so surreal.
He was telling me – I'd never met this guy in my life, this guy named Spencer.
And he goes – he was telling me specifically about myself, about stuff that was so detailed and so nuanced about my personality type and who I was that it was stuff my wife probably wouldn't even know.
Like your thought processes, like your strengths and how your brain works.
And here's where you for sure have all these really detailed things about like if I study a lot or read a lot, I get super exhausted.
At the time, I was getting like crazy exhausted, like brain fatigue and like...
I love to read.
When I read, I get horribly tired and fall asleep right away.
I couldn't read.
And I had a lot of ADHD-style symptoms like brain fog, mental clarity issues, forgetfulness, leaving things, just being a space case, but kind of really extreme.
I felt like it was getting worse as I got older.
And so the next time I was in San Diego I went to the clinic and I got this like a week's worth of brain treatments.
So like, you know, when they do that, they scan your teeth, they show you what your teeth look like now, and they show you what your teeth are going to look like in a year or six months or whatever it is.
And like week by week, it gets closer to this finished product.
It was kind of similar to that.
They go, here's your brain.
Here's what it looks like.
And basically, the back of your brain, the middle of your brain, and the front of your brain I don't know this stuff very well, right?
But they are three separate parts, but they work as one.
And you really want that alignment.
You want the back, the middle, and the front to have alignment.
Like all the energy and how you process information is all fucked up if the signals are crossed.
And if your brain is not aligned back, middle, and front, you're going to have issues, major issues.
In mine, the back was fine.
The middle was pretty good.
But the front, it was completely off.
And like this, like you want to see like basically on the chart, you want to see like this mountain range all in the middle in one.
And so they were like, look, here's where your problem is.
It's in the front of your brain and a little bit in the middle.
And over all these treatments, it's going to be like, here's where you are now.
Here's where your brain would be optimum.
And it's like my brain.
It wasn't like, here's the optimum brain.
It's like showing me my teeth all jacked up and where my teeth are going to be in six months when it's finished.
And so they use this personalized...
Like artificial intelligence reads through like hundreds of thousands of brain scans that they have.
So it's like if I have a certain type of brain, they have an optimum like artificial intelligence basically spits out like a program for my brain.
So I had like a USB. So they sent me this really cool in-home machine and like a little USB drive with my brain data on it.
So I click it in, I turn it on, I put the thing on for 30 minutes.
And after 30 days, I mean, well, after the first, I should say this, after the first week in the in-clinic stuff, I was 17% closer to the finished brain.
How I said it was like the brain activity on the chart from the scan, it should be all three, the front, back, front, middle, and back should have a steep, like a mountain range in the middle.
And my front was like dull and short and off to the side.
And after one week, I was 17% closer to where my brain would be when it was totally optimized and perfect.
Well, your brain is interesting because it's not like a muscle.
Like, say I started doing curls with, like, 30-pound dumbbells every day, and my muscles got jacked after six months, and then I put those things down and never did it again, my arms just go back to normal, right?
Your brain's not like that.
Your brain, once you, like, say you have a perfect brain, and you get punched in the head by Usman 100,000 times, and then your brain's all beat up.
That's going to stay beat up until you change it.
So if you have brain treatment and it works really well, it pulls your brain back in a more optimized type of situation.
And so for me, once my brain, after the 30 days, my brain was in a lot better shape.
Everything was aligned.
The first thing I noticed is I had a whole lot more energy in the afternoons.
I used to have to drink an energy drink or whatever it was.
I needed some sort of boost in the afternoon to stay super sharp.
And then I immediately had more energy.
I would get less brain fatigue from reading or doing research or, you know.
And then I was more clear, like more mental clarity.
My good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, he works with the Warrior Angel Foundation, which works with soldiers that have had traumatic brain injuries, and he's a TBI expert.
And he says that people can get TBI from a lot of things that you would assume are innocuous.
One of them, he said, is jet skis.
I go, really?
He goes, yeah, man.
He goes, this thing where you go, bang, bang, bang.
He goes, every time you're doing that, when you're riding waves and bouncing up and down, he's like, your brain is sloshing around inside your head.
I go, no way.
That can give you brain.
He goes, oh, yeah.
He goes, soccer?
He goes, when you're headbutting that ball, that can give you CBI or TBI? You would never think with surfing.
What was the gentleman's name that came in, the big giant football player guy with the iron neck?
Is it Mike Jolly?
He developed this piece of equipment called the Iron Neck to strengthen your neck that will help prevent a lot of brain injury because a lot of brain injury is having a weak neck and your head just gets fucking whipped around.
I mean, in a really bad situation, I had one wipeout off the coast of Northern California in Half Moon Bay at this wave called Mavericks, where This chick was on a boat filming and she filmed me eating shit much like that.
And I was underwater.
She was filming my board and it was tombstoning, meaning she could only see the top half of my surfboard.
The bottom half was underwater and I was at the end of like a 15-foot leash to my surfboard.
My board is about 10 and a half feet long.
My leash was 15 feet long.
And then I was at the very bottom of that leash.
And I was underwater for a minute and about 8 seconds.
Basically, your static breath hold, like whatever you can do in a pool with a calm heart rate, you can basically, under pressure, like if your heart rate's going crazy, you can hold your breath for a quarter of your static breath hold.
But it's powerful because if you know that you have, say hypothetically, you have a four minute breath hold static, then that means under pressure, like in a situation like that, where your heart rate's really high and you're getting the shit kicked out of you, you should be able to hold your breath for one minute.
If you don't know that, if you don't know the science behind holding your breath for a long time under pressure with a high heart rate, then you just go into these wipeouts like, fuck, I hope I survive.
I need to hold my breath!
And when you have that hope type of mindset, then your heart rate goes higher and you start burning more oxygen.
But if you don't have that hope, if that's not a part of your mindset and you're just like, shit, I've done the training, I know how long I can hold my breath with a high heart rate.
And knowing that number and knowing that you're pretty much never going to be held underwater for that long.
Like I could hold my breath.
The longest I held my breath during the breath training thing that I did was five minutes and 34 seconds.
Essentially, they have you hold your breath right at the start, see what your static breath hold is.
And then they teach you how to hold it for longer.
And so it's almost like meditation.
For me, you don't think of time.
You don't count the seconds.
You think about things that have...
They were like, okay, think about something that's super detailed and go through that process while you're holding your breath.
So I was in the pool, and a guy's timing me, and I'm in a wetsuit, and I go underwater, and I packed my bags to go hunting on lanai.
Yeah.
So I was like, hey...
So I started holding my breath, I went underwater, and I was like, okay, what do I need for my hunting trip on Lanai?
I need, how many arrows do I need?
Three dozen.
And then I was like, okay, I got my broadheads, then I gotta get my boots, okay, now I gotta get my waterproof boots, now I gotta get my, like, sneaking shoes, okay, what socks do I need?
Like, super detailed...
Super boring stuff that you know really well and I went through that whole packing thing and then I like literally I got in my truck in my mind drove down to the airport got on the plane flew there got off the plane it was like all this stuff was happening and then I didn't know how much time had passed and then after and then you know you have that involuntary urge to breathe you know have you ever hold hold your breath for a long time and all of a sudden you go Yeah.
Your stomach starts doing this thing where it's like telling your brain you need to breathe now or else you're gonna die.
It's not true.
So when you do these breath holding classes it's really neat because they tell you like when that urge to breathe that tells you you need to breathe right now or you're gonna black out or die or whatever it is especially if you're underwater it's really scary right?
And so they teach you to go okay you need to hold through these big contractions.
And so like these contractions are happening and you're not paying attention to them when you're like in this meditative type of mindset and that's how you can hold your breath for a super long time.
But you need to at the end because you get really like spacey and relaxed like super in this meditative state to where like at the end because they start speeding up.
Those contractions start speeding up and when they get to a certain when they get to a certain you know when they start happening fast enough you black out.
So when I was doing this underwater training, you know, you do it with a partner.
There's a guy watching you all the time.
So you don't have a shallow water blackout and you don't drown.
But it was great because when I would go surfing after that, I was like, shit, I can hold my breath for like, I forget what it was, like a minute and 45 seconds under pressure and they tested you.
They would make you do squats or run in the field and then run back and do squats with your eyes closed.
And then someone would push you as fast as they could from the back.
And so you'd try to get that air.
You'd be doing squats with your eyes closed.
You never knew when they were going to push you.
And they would push you.
And then as you were falling into the pool, in one second you had to try and get as much air as you could.
It was very similar to a wipeout serving.
So from the moment that you realized you were going in, you had to go...
As fast as you could.
And then as soon as you hit the water, there was two divers in the water.
They would hold you underwater and like spin you around like you're in a washing machine.
There's some guys who do what I do, and they just roll up on the boat or roll up on the cliff and check the surf.
Oh, it's 60 feet, and they're like, I'm out there, spark a dirt, just start smoking a cigarette.
We're out there, dude.
Yeah.
I mean, some of them don't train at all, smoke cigarettes, like have big nights right before surfing, and you really, at that point, you're hoping for the best.
Well, in Hawaii, great whites, you know, no one really, you know, like a long time ago, people didn't think that white sharks were in Hawaii because the water was too warm.
The guy runs this website that does, like, you know, harnesses memes and curates them or whatever.
I don't know if he created or if he got a hold of it, an AI program that takes 100 million public meme captions and recreates new ones based off of the top 48 templates.
It's fascinating that like those troll farms you're talking about, it could be like a political situation, like say it's like some like political candidates thing, you know, we need this troll farm.
It could be that or it could be like who knows some huge corporation in America.
And then it also could be like Russia or like North Korea or some crazy thing, which is super weird that they're interested in our politics.
Yeah, they're interested in our politics and also we're interested in our politics.
So I guarantee you that political parties hire people to create memes and to go on and argue about things and to pretend that they're lunatic right-wing people or pretend that they're lunatic left-wing people to upset the people that are on the right or the left with their crazy...
Fake posts.
And they do it just to rile people up and get people arguing.
There's just so many of them.
And it just makes sense.
It's like, remember those Nigerian scammers?
You have won a million dollars.
All you have to do is contact us and give us your bank account number so that we can deposit the money.
Then they clean out your bank account.
It's basically the same kind of deal.
They found a loophole.
They found some weird thing that can allow them to do something.
It's just, what's the motivation behind it?
That's the question.
It's like, why would they do that?
Well, if you're from Russia or from another country that's an enemy of the United States, they're basically just trying to fuck with democracy.
They're trying to lessen our confidence in how things work.
This is a weird time where everyone feels like they have to have allegiance to their tribe and they have to be steadfast in their set of belief systems in order to be accepted by the tribe.
It's fucking dumb, man.
It's dumb and it's confusing and I don't see it get any better.
I don't see it getting any better in our lifetime.
I think this is just how people are gonna be from now on.
It's racist to require someone to have a voter ID to register to vote.
But you have to have an ID because you need to have a vaccination.
So in order to use any facilities, you need to be vaccinated.
And if you're going to be vaccinated, I need to have an ID. And you have to have a vax card.
And that's okay.
But that is like, if you want to think of what's racist and not racist, if you look at the statistics, there's a large percentage of African Americans that are not vaccinated.
I was going to ask you if you knew somewhere where I could get...
Because I was fascinated with that trial.
I really wanted to get updated, unbiased news about what was happening, what was being talked about, what was not able to be talked about, and what was, and what kind of information was going to come out.
And I could not find it.
And then that Lance Rittenhouse trial, I couldn't not find it.
Electronic media coverage of criminal proceedings in federal courts has been expressly prohibited under the federal rule of Criminal Procedure 53 since the criminal rules were adopted in 1946. So for all those years, there have been no cameras allowed in federal court.
It doesn't mean that it's accurate, legit, or good reason, but they said that this account was being used in manipulating practices and spam ways.
It was used previously for other purposes on Twitter.
And they changed the name to like Maxwell Trial Account when this was happening.
So it was used in the past for like stock tips or something like that.
And they have other accounts there.
This person or whoever was controlling it was also linking back off of Twitter's website to a sub stack, which according to Twitter's rules is like they don't want that to happen.
They want to keep people on Twitter.
So they use those, you know, those things that's happening as a way to get it off.
I don't think that that's a valid reason, but that's the reason I believe that they said.
So I've just looked now for an update.
Whoever was running it claims on their sub stack they weren't doing that, and they have tried to get an appeal, and I don't think they've gotten a response.
They could easily just be saying that someone used it for other reasons.
And here's the other thing, maybe you did use it for other reasons because that's why you set the Twitter account up, but then you had it, and then you decided, well, this is a valid reason to use my account, so I'm just going to repurpose my account that way.
But in order to find out details about the trial, you have to follow some obscure writer on Substack.
You know what I mean?
Instead of just being able to check it out online real quick and get all the details right away, like you could with that Rittenhouse trial or something like that.
He might not have even said Epstein by name, but he basically said that...
I forget who he was saying was doing it, but this is what he said.
What they do is they compromise these very powerful and wealthy politicians by they make friends with them, they get him in tight, and then they're friends with all these other famous people, right?
So they bring them to this party.
So if you're a guy like Epstein, like one of the things you notice about Epstein If you pay attention to like all the contacts that he had there was a lot of famous people a Lot of famous people flew with him and they would fly to do these charitable events and they would fly to like Bill Gates flew with them Bill Clinton flew with them all these people so if you were a celebrity and you got a chance to go hang out with some famous scientists and And some famous politicians.
And it's a dinner.
It's a dinner party.
You're invited.
And you're like, oh my god, this is amazing.
You go to this dinner party and he says, I would like to invite you to my island.
I have an island.
Was it in the Caribbean?
Is that where it was?
I have an island in the Caribbean and you can come down and we have this amazing place you can stay.
But, I mean, if you had been inviting me to your island to fuck underage girls, and then I saw a painting in your house of me in a dress, I would be a little upset.
Whatever he did, the injuries to his neck were not consistent with someone who has been hung.
They were consistent with someone who is strangled because there was fractures in the neck bones that are consistent with strangulation.
Somebody who wraps a fucking rope around your neck and chokes you to death versus someone who's like hanging.
Because when you're hanging, All the weight, apparently, according to this guy, Dr. Michael Badden, who's that famous autopsy guy who was on that autopsy show on HBO, he broke it down.
Let's see if we can find where he breaks it down.
But there's a fracture in one of the neck bones in Jeffrey Epstein that is inconsistent with hanging, but very consistent with strangulation.
So it's very common in people that have been, like, ligatures, where they fucking wrap a wire around your neck or a rope and just choke you to death.
And also...
The ligature marks were down on the lower part of the neck, which is what happens when someone chokes you.
Whereas if it was up here, that's what happens when you're hanging.
Because when you're hanging, it gets stuck by your jaw and it gets tight there and that's what gets you.
Well, and Epstein was in a category where it was a real risk that he would commit suicide, right?
Just because of the situation.
And a lot of times with people like him, I think that they have him in like a maximum security, like by themselves in a room that makes it really difficult to kill yourself, right?
And it was suggested at the time that he committed suicide by doing what?
At the time he was found allegedly hanging by a homemade ligature of sheets.
Are you saying you don't think it was suicide?
I think that the evidence points toward homicide rather than suicide.
Why?
Because there are multiple three fractures in the hyoid bone and the thyroid cartilage that are very unusual for suicide and more indicative of strangulation, homicidal strangulation.
Let's take a look at what the medical examiner stated.
So when I had Pinker on, Pinker was one of those guys that got sucked into that.
So he was photographed with Epstein and he was very sorry that he got mixed up with that, but like a lot of scientists, The guy donated money to science and he enjoyed scientists and they thought probably was a cool thing to do, to go hang out and party.
But he was like, oh, I think he killed himself.
I'm like, I don't fucking think he killed himself.
And that was one of the things that I was pointing to, was Baden pointing out that it was more consistent with strangulation than it was hanging.
The most important defendant ever in a case that involves dozens of extremely powerful and extremely wealthy people that may have participated in sex crimes.
And there's no guards, and the cameras don't work, and he's hung, but the hanging doesn't match the evidence, which points to strangulation rather than hanging.
It's so transparent now how the news has been manipulated, as opposed to, you know, when we were younger, we used to think, oh, this is the news.
But now, because of the internet, because of the amount of access that we have to all these different sources of information where, you know, you can read these stories about that, you can see Michael Badden talking about this, and there's so much available on the internet, you can get a much better sense of how much you're getting lied to.
It's different for me because I was born in Hawaii.
So I just, I don't know.
I just know it as home and, you know, there's a lot of people in Hawaii who don't feel like it's part of America and kind of wish it wasn't, obviously.
I mean, these days, it's harder to get into a restaurant in Honolulu than it is...
I flew back from Mexico, back to the States recently, and it was easier for me to get back into the country from Mexico than it was to go to dinner with my wife in Honolulu.
Really?
Yeah.
Got to show your vaccine passport and all that stuff to get into restaurants in Honolulu.
It's like if the pandemic slowly dissipates and COVID is not a thing anymore, how much freedom can we really gain back and how much will they try to continue to find new ways?
people to bend their will to get them to do this fill out that have some sort of a passport system where you have to show that you've been up on all your vaccinations did you get your flu shot did you do like they're not going to just let everything go back to where it was in 2018 isn't that funny how they tell us that there is though This is like a temporary situation.
And it's crazy because, I mean, there's a famous saying that's, how does it go?
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.
Yeah.
It's kind of true.
It feels like that.
In this point in time, in America, it feels like that.
It feels like all these temporary things, these things that are just for the next two weeks, or the next month, or until this happens, or that happens.
Double vaccinated and boosted and boosted just a few months ago, caught COVID. Sick as shit.
You know, it's like, what the fuck, man?
Like, and then the narrative changed for, it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, but it does make it much less like if you'd be hospitalized or die.
Like, oh, okay.
And then that became the narrative.
Like, that's not what the narrative was.
The narrative was, get vaccinated, you don't get COVID. And then it changed.
I'm wondering what it would take to go back to normal.
Like imagine, if something came along, like a pill or something, it's all gone.
There's no more COVID. Or it's a non-issue.
Would they let everything go back to the way it was?
I don't think so.
I definitely don't think they will in Australia.
I think Australia's fucked forever.
I think they're fucked forever.
The way they're treating their people and the way they're responding, the way, you know, all the madness of the lockdowns and what they're apparently doing to indigenous people where they're taking these folks and when they find out people have had contact or when they think that they have COVID, They're shipping them off to camps hundreds of kilometers away.
Like in my friend group, I know so many people that have been vaccinated.
And I'm friends with a lot of people that know that the best thing you can do...
To not die if you get COVID is to not be fat, not have diabetes.
There's certain things you control with lifestyle choices that can make you a whole lot healthier and a lot stronger against COVID. And I know a lot of people who are overweight, they haven't lost a single pound.
All they did is get vaccinated thinking they're completely healthy and healthy.
Well, not only that, if people pay attention to it, pull up that thing that shows what's wrong with obese people when it comes to COVID and antibodies.
There's actually a condition that happens with obese people and COVID where their body does not process or produce antibodies correctly.
The coronavirus attacks fat tissue, scientists find.
So this is another compounding issue.
So the research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at a higher risk of severe illness and death from COVID. So the coronavirus loves fatties.
That's what it's saying.
It's just two different things, but both of them compounding to say that it's just terrible to be overweight and to have COVID. And yet, no one's telling you that.
We'll eat it occasionally for a goof, you know, like if maybe we're on a road trip or something like that and everyone's starving and we're like, pull in, daddy, pull in.
I was traveling with my kid and a couple of his buddies during COVID and it was like we had to be responsible and be locked down in our own little zone and we were doing a surf trip and we did a lot of DoorDash and we did some Wingstop.
One of the things he does is study the effects of ketones, exogenous ketones, naturally occurring ketones from food, and what's the best foods to eat in combination.
My point is, what I was going to say is even though I lost weight, also my appetite shrank.
The thing is, if you have steak and then you have pasta and potatoes and maybe some brussel sprouts or whatever, like you ate at Red Ash last night, right?
If you eat an incredibly lean animal like a rabbit, rabbits are super lean, you could literally not have enough fat to survive even though you're eating.
The term rabbit starvation originates from the fact that rabbit meat is very lean, almost all of the caloric content from protein rather than fat.
And click on that from Wikipedia.
I guess you can go back.
Just go back real quick.
It was in that bottom thing.
There it goes.
Okay, so the body takes in too much protein, not enough fat and carbohydrate for a long period of time.
Other names for this are rabbit starvation or mal de caribou.
These terms come about to describe only consuming very lean proteins such as rabbit without consuming other nutrients.
So Jordan, the guy that was on the podcast who won it, he actually had a wolverine steal a bunch of his fat.
He shot a moose because he brought a bow and arrow, and he was a bow hunter.
And he had actually spent a bunch of time living in Siberia with a bunch of indigenous people that live up there, and they would actually ride caribou like a horse.
Just imagine having to feed your family with this, your kids.
Think of how much you love your kids and think about having to make a projectile point out of rocks and make it sharp enough so you could stick it through the ribcage of a deer so that you could eat.
Dude, I've been reading so many books over the last few years about Native Americans.
And one of the books was about this specific area called Empire of the Summer Moon, and it's all about the Comanche and the Comanche, how they lived here.
There's a guy named Paul Saladino who's been on the podcast before who wrote a book about it.
I think it's called The Carnivore Code.
And he's actually an MD. And he eats nothing but meat.
And he's become a carnivore advocate.
And he absolutely believes that as long as you eat what they call nose to tail, so as long as you eat liver, heart, kidneys, and he supplements also with some fruit and some honey and some things like that,
but I think his position is to stay the fuck away from everything processed, everything with any kind of Like, preservatives or chemicals that allow it to sit on a shelf for years.
Like, all that shit is not good for you.
It's not good for your gut biome.
It's not really healthy for you.
I mean, it's better than starving, but it's not good food.
The best food is lean, healthy meat with, you know, natural fats.
Like, grass-fed fats are better for you.
It's like grass-fed ribeyes is really where it's at.
You know, where you get, like...
Just the natural fat from a healthy animal.
And then healthy, lean, red meat.
And then, you know, he'll eat some other stuff along with that, like some berries or something along those lines.
It was just I was the state champion at 140 pounds.
And I really wasn't 140 pounds.
I was in the 150 range and I would diet and starve myself and then I would dehydrate myself to get down to 140. And I would have to fight the day that I did it too.
You weigh in the day of.
And then I did it for one year.
I mean, I did it before I was 18. And then when I was 18, I did one year at 140. And then I went up to 154. And then I was at my best after that.
Like, my best performances in competition were definitely at 154 pounds.
Like for me, I've never really had weight issues, right?
My body's normally probably supposed to be sort of similar to this.
It may be harder for her, maybe she has a thyroid issue, whatever it is, but regardless, there's lifestyle choices that you can She could lose 100 pounds in the next two years if she wanted to.
To change your life like that, to go from where you are now to where you want to be, to make these massive adjustments and become a different person...
Like my friend Lara, I was telling you about, she's a comedian, hilarious comedian.
I've taken her on the road a bunch of times.
During the pandemic, at the beginning of the pandemic, she was very overweight and she realized like, oh my God, this is like the highest risk for mortality is to be overweight.
So she started watching videos of people doing exercise routines, did some at home, and then got a trainer and lost a shitload of weight.
I think she does all her training with this lady online, like, you know, like a Zoom thing.
But I think it's one of her friends, too.
But anyway, she's lost, like, what has Laura lost, like 50 pounds?
To see that progress and feel better and like just way less, less impact.
And like for, you know, if someone's really big their whole lives and all of a sudden they lose 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, and they just feel better and it feels...
It's worth celebrating because when someone can pull it together and have discipline and show results, it lets everybody know, oh, I look like her before.
I can do it.
I can be healthier.
And now, like, you would never imagine if you saw her, you just see, oh, look, that thin girl.
She looks like a healthy person, normal, you know, like a healthy, active person.
There's wild bills that I put it on my Instagram stories because Chris Weidman sent it to me.
This is really crazy shit.
But on January 5th, the legislative session begins, and there's a snapshot of a few of the bills that are looking to be passed for New York State.
And one of them, Assembly Bill A8378, forced COVID shots mandated to attend school.
And then it gets down.
There's a couple other ones, but here's one.
Eliminates religious exemption for work and college.
And then here's the bottom.
Eliminates parents' consent to shots when a child reaches 14 years of age.
So your 14-year-old kid, you can't say that your kid doesn't get a COVID shot.
The school just gives them a shot.
The school just takes care of your kid's body.
Which is wild.
Eliminates a parent's right to consent to STD shots for children of any age.
So imagine your child is five and they give your kid like a...
What are the shots?
Like there's one for warts.
What is that?
What is that called?
Yeah, HPV. Which apparently has like some wild side effects for some people.
They could just give it to your five-year-old.
Here's another one.
This is the scariest one.
Assembly Bill A416 allows the governor to imprison without trial anyone she considers a threat to public health.
So I'm like, is that me?
Like, if I say, hey, I don't think you should get vaccinated, like, is that me?
If I said something like that, I mean, if I did say something like that, and I think I have in the past, if I said something like that, am I a threat to public health?
Like, is that, like, what is it?
The governor gets to choose that?
Like, that's unconstitutional.
Without trial?
In prison without trial?
That's so vague, a threat to public health?
What does that mean?
Well, if you're fat, and you're sick, and you're sneezing on the subway, you're a threat to public health.
I'm on Oahu right now, hanging out surfing with my kid.
And the school there is doing these vaccine drives where they were staying with a family there and they have a couple little kids and that school is doing these vaccine drives where they have this like mobile vaccine bus that pulls up right in front of the school.
The parents can't go in there.
Parents got to drop off their kid on the perimeter of the school.
Kids go in.
The bus is in the school.
During school hours, doing this vaccine drive, in the classroom, the teachers are saying, who's getting vaccinated?
But I know a handful of people that have had really horrible adverse effects from the COVID vaccination, and long-lasting.
One of my friends is a lifeguard, and he got the first shot, and his heart immediately started racing like crazy, thought he was having a heart attack.
And that lasted for a very long time, and he was scheduled to get his second shot.
And he had to.
It was mandated in Hawaii for all the lifeguards, all the firefighters, all this stuff.
I'm not advocating that everybody would be fine with no treatment.
What I am saying is with monoclonal antibodies, I think most people would be fine.
And if you talk to Dr. Peter McCullough, he says there's not a shortage of monoclonal antibodies.
What they have done is they made a concerted effort to make them very difficult to get because they want to encourage one thing, one singular thing, and that thing is vaccination.
And that's the thing that they're most profitable.
A friend of mine went, and he's a white guy, and he went and they told him that they couldn't give it to him because of his age and his body mass because he's white, but if he was Hispanic or black, they would be able to give it to him.
Yeah, it's a strange thing that we have going on in this country.
And it happened very quickly.
It's almost like if you woke up, if you were Rip Van Winkle, you know, and you maybe, let's say you got hit over the head in 2019 in September, and you went into a coma, and you woke up now, you'd be like, what?
But the thing is, when has there ever been just one single approved treatment for any disease?
When you know that there's other treatments that are available.
You know that it's possible.
This was never thought of that there was a thing that you could just do and you could get really much better, much quicker than if you didn't do anything.
That was never the case before when we were talking about COVID. It was if you got sick, you were kind of fucked and hopefully you made it and maybe you needed to get on a ventilator.
And then eventually it became like, what treatments are available?
What is available?
But if there was something like from the jump, like when COVID broke in March of 2020, when they locked down the country, if there was monoclonal antibodies widely distributed back then, and anytime someone's sick, they can go to a place, get shot monoclonal antibodies, and you're good to go.
Not only are you good to go, but you have antibodies now, and you're never going to catch it again.
Or if you do catch it again, it's highly unlikely.
That was the one thing that Peter McCullough said that I was really...
I didn't necessarily believe.
And he was saying that if you have COVID once, you can't catch it again.
And I was like, God, I think I know people that have caught it more than once.
I've heard of people that have caught it more than once.
And he goes, no.
He said they probably had the flu or something else and they had a negative or a false positive.
...that has a very low, like, the amount of time that's been spent considering the safety, the safety profile, like, the amount of time they've been studying what happens to people over the years of taking it, that's not a lot of data.
If you are against a mandate of taking that, you're an anti-vaxxer.
Even with the monoclonal antibodies.
Even knowing that there's treatments out there that 100% fix your work.
They want you to have one choice that's get vaccinated.
But what if people have told me, oh, well, you've gotten over COVID. Now you should get a shot of the vaccine.
You'll be even more protected.
I'm like, bitch, I'm protected.
I'm more protected than you and you haven't gotten COVID. I'm like, I'm more protected.
There's an Israeli study of, I think it was 2.5 million people they did a study on and they found that people who have recovered from COVID have a six to 13 times better chance of not getting COVID again than someone who's been vaccinated.
And I think it's after having recovered from COVID. Yes, after having recovered from COVID. But if you tell somebody that they think you're spreading misinformation, it's simply not.
And you're not supposed to promote healthy lifestyles as an alternative to this.
And you're not even supposed to consider the fact that for most people that are fat and unhealthy...
Listen, man, you are fucked no matter what.
You're fucked no matter what.
Because even if you don't get COVID, you're going to have a heart attack, okay?
You're not going to make it anyway.
Like, I don't know what you're saying about, you know, like, we're in danger and you're not.
Like, bitch, please.
Bitch, please.
You can't, like, exonerate yourself from decades of being a slob and being a person who has no consideration about their health and about their obesity and about the kind of food they put in their body and their lack of vitamins and exercise.
And all of a sudden, you're health-righteous?
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
That's been my whole life.
My whole life is about being healthy.
I've been healthy forever.
I haven't been sick in 11 fucking years.
I got sick one time, it was with COVID, and it was only for a couple of days.
And you're telling me that you're the one who's doing the right thing and the smart thing, and you're the one who's healthy?
Get the fuck out of here.
That's straight nonsense.
And you've got to confront those people on it.
Because they run around all self-righteous.
Like, I got the shot.
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You're going to be in trouble if you get the COVID. Bitch, you're going to get COVID even after you get the shot.
That's really why you're supposed to get the vaccination right is to, is so when you do, if and when you do get COVID, you have a much higher probability to not get really sick.
Let's see who can do the most fucking body weight, squats, push-ups, sit-ups, and who loses the most weight at the end of X amount of time and put a fucking pool together.
Because, you know, here in California, or you go to Utah, you go to Colorado, you go to Montana, you get your one deer tag, and you go and kill your deer, and that's your deer for the year.
Which is awesome, but it's based on like the population levels of the game.
In Hawaii, if a deer is on your property, that's your deer, you can kill it.
And there's no, we don't have any mountain lions, we don't have any wolves, we don't have any bears, we don't have, there's nothing killing these There's a need to control the population.
But if you look at a small four-ounce portion of that in comparison to a four-ounce portion of, say, domestic beef, the protein content is so much higher.
I think that's one of the choices that I've made in my life that has made the biggest health difference is Is eating more wild game in combination with healthy foods.
And then this was one of my New Year's resolutions, like I think the year before last, is eating one meal out of my blender each day.
Well, that makes sense, because I use CBD... I'm a big fan of...
CBDMD has a bunch of great stuff, and one of the things they have is these rollers.
It's like a roll-on for CBD freeze and CBD recover.
If I have a sore muscle, I'll just get that roll-on right into the muscle and massage it in.
But for me, oral CBD is like drops, the shit, and gummies, the shit.
It's so good.
Because, like, I'm always, like, after I hit the bag, I'm always, like, my toes are sore just from, like, kicking and, like, pushing off the ground and stuff.
But she only has them when the kids are in school.
She's very responsible, so she has to think about things.
I'm irresponsible.
Luckily, my job is...
You know, you love surfing.
I love comedy.
I love it.
I never think, oh, I have to do comedy shit.
I love it.
It's fun.
And you love MMA? I love the UFC. When I show up for a UFC fight, when the fight starts, when the card starts, I'm never thinking, God, I wish I was somewhere else.
I'm always like, wow, I can't believe this is my job.
And I think one beautiful thing about having a podcast like this is that people get to hear that there are fortunate people out there that have figured out a thing that they love so much that they want to do it all the time.
And then those people need to know that you can find something like that too.
Whether it's writing books, maybe it's being a carpenter, whatever it is.
What is the thing that you love?
There's got to be a thing you love where when you go to work, you enjoy the shit out of it.
That's real life.
Because if you could do that, man, it's so much better.
And a lot of the tools that are in place to enable you to do that weren't in place a long time ago with, like, modern technology and, like, internet and stuff like that.
But then she could fake it and pretend that this is the one.
You'd have to see, like, Chain of Command.
Like, hold the jar, a full video, and watch her write your name on the package, boom, and seal it up with, like, packing tape, and then hold it up to the camera, and you're like, we're good.