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Dec. 21, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1749 - Shane Dorian
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joe rogan
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shane dorian
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day.
Joe Rogan Podcast by night.
All day.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen an NFT in the flesh?
Seen one?
That's an NFT. Oh, very cool.
Did you ever know?
jamie vernon
Sort of.
joe rogan
Sort of?
shane dorian
I've never seen a physical one.
joe rogan
That's a visual representation.
shane dorian
A physical digital one.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, the actual NFT, does that come with that?
Do I have to scan it?
shane dorian
Is that you and Marshall?
joe rogan
No, no, that's Elon.
It says GigaChad.
I don't know what GigaChad is.
shane dorian
Maybe we should save this for the podcast.
joe rogan
We are podcasting.
shane dorian
Are we?
joe rogan
It's rolling.
That's how we roll.
But it's this guy Beeple.
Do you know who Beeple is?
shane dorian
I do know who Beeple is.
joe rogan
Beeple was here the other day.
shane dorian
No way!
joe rogan
Yeah, he gave me that.
It's the shit.
He's cool as fuck.
He's a fun guy.
shane dorian
I can't wait to hear that one.
joe rogan
He's really fun.
shane dorian
His art is badass, dude.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
He puts out a piece every day.
shane dorian
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
One piece of artwork every day, and he's done that for 12 years.
shane dorian
Some of the stuff he did...
I follow him on Instagram.
After he sold that one for $60 million, I was like, who the hell is this dude, right?
So I did the full deep dive in his Instagram and stuff.
And above your normal feed, when you look at all the boxes, there's all the different things you can click on.
There's past stories and stuff.
He had this really neat digital moving art of these big...
Babies with like weird people's heads on them.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane dorian
Going through the streets and wild out there stuff.
But it was cool, man.
So creative and...
Insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, all of his stuff is like that.
It's all just really true.
But it's so funny when you talk to him.
He's like, people are trying to find hitting meaning.
I don't know what the fuck it means.
He goes, I just made it.
I don't know what it means.
He had one of them with a bunch of dicks on missile silos.
And there were dicks.
He goes, it's just a bunch of dicks.
I don't know what I'm doing.
There's no fucking hitting meaning.
It's just dicks.
Look at this.
Hillary and Trump and they're spraying milk as they walk down the street as a robot.
Look at this one.
God.
shane dorian
It's so insane.
joe rogan
But that's all of his stuff.
It's all like really bizarre.
shane dorian
Wow.
joe rogan
But so interesting.
shane dorian
Yeah.
This one is the one with Zuckerberg.
joe rogan
Yeah.
With tits.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a robot spider looking thing body.
shane dorian
I mean...
joe rogan
Look at this one.
shane dorian
It's intense, dude.
It's intense.
joe rogan
It's a Trump mask and it's spraying stuff out of its vagina hole and giving birth to Hillary Clinton.
It's like, what the hell, bro?
shane dorian
Yeah, it's kind of disturbing, but super creative and cool.
The art is incredible.
joe rogan
Look at this one.
Jesus Christ.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's way more palatable when you meet him.
You're like, oh, you're not a serial killer.
shane dorian
Seriously, right?
Where does he get his inspiration?
Is he just on acid all day long?
joe rogan
No, he's just an artist.
I mean, he actually was panicking when I gave him a glass of scotch.
I was like, oh, Jesus.
Oh, boy.
What are we doing here?
Like one glass of whiskey and he was a little nervous.
shane dorian
His mind.
joe rogan
Oh, his mind's brilliant.
shane dorian
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, he's just a great artist.
And he's also like super dedicated.
I mean, he puts out one of those every single day.
Christmas, New Year's, Halloween, doesn't matter.
Every day.
shane dorian
Isn't that weird if you asked 100 different people in America if they know what an NFT is and know how to explain it?
There'd be such a low percentage that actually would, and yet this dude named Beeple sold the most expensive artwork in history, right?
joe rogan
It's NFT. Yeah, it's not the most expensive artwork, but it's the most expensive NFT. The most expensive artwork is well more than that.
The most expensive painting, I believe, is that really controversial painting that they're trying to credit it with being a Leonardo da Vinci, but I think it's in dispute, and then it's also in dispute as to how many people painted it.
That it might be more than one.
unidentified
Salvador...
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's $450 million.
joe rogan
Yeah, $450 million.
Wow.
But the thing is, someone bought it and they bought it.
You don't know the history of this?
It's a crazy...
Salvador Monday.
This is a crazy story.
Someone bought it really cheap.
And when they had it, it was painted over.
And then they hired someone to do a restoration of it, which means like whatever the paint that was over it, they slowly, meticulously remove.
And as they did that, they discovered there was a spectacular painting underneath it.
So that's what it used to look like when it was all fucked up and there was paint all over it and shit.
Well, when they restored it and they realized what was underneath it, they started calling it the male Mona Lisa.
But it's really controversial because some people don't believe that it's a Leonardo da Vinci and some people believe that multiple people painted it.
Like, there's a different...
A different time period where the hand was painted versus the rest of the painting.
And they think that somebody might have painted it after the fact.
And so they were going to put it in the Louvre in Paris right next to the Mona Lisa.
That's what the guy who owns it wanted them to do.
And they were like, yeah, we don't know if this is real.
We can't do that.
shane dorian
And that's a huge problem.
joe rogan
That's a huge problem.
So he's got it on his fucking giganto yacht.
So it's in some sort of climate-controlled environment on a yacht.
A $450 million painting.
shane dorian
A $450 million painting that you don't even know if it's authentic or not.
It's real controversial.
joe rogan
Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are really good at faking.
Yeah.
Historical artists.
There was one documentary that I remember watching of this one guy who's an incredibly talented artist who can mimic the way Picasso painted, the way Rembrandt painted, and he would develop these fakes.
And they were so good.
And they would sell them as like a lost Picasso.
And they would be worth like a shitload of money.
shane dorian
And that's a problem.
joe rogan
A fucking big one.
shane dorian
And think about it.
That's a huge reason.
That's kind of the power of the NFT, right?
It's like verifiable authenticity.
That's never going to happen again in the art world like that.
When you look up that NFT, it's going to tell you exactly when it was created, exactly when it was sold, who it was sold from, who it was sold to.
It's verifiable, right?
Yeah.
Forever, in the future, you'll know exactly that NFT will explain everything when you look at it on the blockchain.
joe rogan
And it's got a QR code, which I don't know what happens if you scan it.
shane dorian
Sick trip.
joe rogan
What do you think happened?
shane dorian
I like it.
I like it.
Did you buy that?
joe rogan
No, no, he gave it to me for free.
unidentified
For free?
shane dorian
Is that something that...
jamie vernon
I was gonna say the uses go beyond art.
Art is the first use for an NFT. Right.
Contracts, receipts...
shane dorian
It's the most obvious one, right?
But like all like airplane, like your boarding pass and all this stuff in the future will be NFTs.
I've been kind of down a rabbit hole, like an NFT rabbit hole.
joe rogan
Have you?
Are you gonna start selling them?
shane dorian
No, but I have really good friends that live in the metaverse, and they buy and sell NFTs.
They're like NFT traders and stuff.
It's pretty interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jamie was explaining to me that the metaverse, the way fucking Zuckerberg has done it, he just capitalized the letter.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's different.
They're starting the brand of metaverse, but that's starting the brand of the internet right now.
You can't do that.
joe rogan
How do you do that?
How is he doing...
jamie vernon
Or they're trying to, you know?
joe rogan
But it was already a thing.
Like, the term metaverse was already a thing, and they own it now.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they took over someone's Instagram account.
Oh, they did?
joe rogan
Just took it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
Some girl, she's had it for a while, I guess.
joe rogan
And did she get pissed?
jamie vernon
I tried to look up what happened, like, if they gave her money or something, but I don't know.
They just took it.
joe rogan
They better give her money.
Imagine if they didn't.
Well, they own Instagram, though.
That's the problem.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
jamie vernon
They took hers and gave it back, but they took the metal one, which was run by a motorcycle bag.
joe rogan
But they own it.
See, they own Instagram, which is fucked.
shane dorian
So he's like, yeah, guess what?
I own it.
joe rogan
I own that.
shane dorian
This is my property.
joe rogan
That's a funny thing, Shane Dorian, because that's my name.
My name's Shane Dorian.
Just fucking steal your shit.
Yeah, it's odd, right?
shane dorian
It's very odd.
joe rogan
Some guy had Joe Rogan.
His actual name was Joe Rogan.
So I had to buy it from him.
I bought it from him like nine years ago or whatever.
Whenever I started Instagram, when I started Instagram.
jamie vernon
Yeah, didn't you have JoeRogan.net for a while or something like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, something like that.
I think I had Joe Rogan Experience.
jamie vernon
Okay.
joe rogan
I had like the name of the podcast.
And then...
I found him.
I got a hold of him.
And he wasn't even using it.
I forget what I gave him for it.
shane dorian
And was he cool?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nice guy.
shane dorian
Imagine the value inflation from the last nine years of what that would have cost for Instagram, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, also, Joe Rogan Experience didn't have that many followers when I did it.
I was pretty new to Instagram.
Everlast talked me into it.
Everlast from the House of Pain.
I was just on Twitter only.
And then he's like, man, you gotta get on this Instagram.
I'm like, what is this, just pictures?
Why is that a big deal?
And that's all I use now.
I barely, I don't even, I post things to Instagram that eventually go to Twitter.
I posted one time, maybe I repost things, like if someone has a cool article or something.
shane dorian
It's on Twitter.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll repost things.
Something's interesting.
shane dorian
Twitter's sketchy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I went to look at my Twitter and I looked like a crazy COVID person.
Because so many of the things I'm retweeting are about COVID. Right.
shane dorian
And it creates an echo chamber, right?
That's like the whole thing about Twitter.
joe rogan
It definitely does.
Yeah, there's a lot of people on there that are just speaking to the choir.
It's funny because you can tell based on someone's, you know, who they are, how people are going to respond to the things they write.
You know, like, if someone is politically, you know, very left-wing, if they get trolled a lot, though, that's what's interesting.
So, like, they'll post something, and if they don't control who comments, you'll see, like, whenever a politician posts something, you get a bunch of the people that oppose them on the other side just attacking them and mocking them and belittling them.
It's just a super unhealthy way to communicate, all of it.
shane dorian
It is.
joe rogan
And there's not that many people on it either.
That's the thing.
There's a lot of people, because there's a lot of people in the world, but in terms of most people in the country, Twitter's not the real world.
But the people on Twitter, it's their world.
It's the whole world.
It's like they're so obsessed, because Twitter's so addictive.
So many people who are on Twitter are on it all the fucking time, constantly checking.
And so anything negative or positive that happens on Twitter, they think spills over into the real world.
For sure.
You know, real measurable ways.
shane dorian
And how the algorithm works, how it like creates an echo chamber in your feed, it allows you to think that the way you think is the way everybody thinks because everybody, you know, all this stuff like populates into your feed.
Like if you're, you know, whatever your political views are or your religious views are, you just end up having that's all in your feed.
So like you walk out of your Twitter world and you think everyone thinks like you and when they don't, you start hating those people instead of just having like a disagreement with their views and their ideology.
joe rogan
Well, that's what's going on clearly in the polarized parts of our country, whether it's polarized on the right or polarized on the left.
They think that everybody should think their way.
Oh, I should point this out while we're talking about this.
There's a bunch of people that have been saying that Peter McCullough, the doctor that was on the other day, Is complaining about being censored on the internet because the podcast has been removed from YouTube and some other places that he uploaded it.
I just talked to Peter and that's not him.
So it's someone imitating him.
Now whether or not it's someone on his team that's imitating him and he doesn't know about it, but the posts from his account that are complaining about being censored, he had no idea what I was talking about.
When I talked to him, he was like rattling off all those things, studies and this thing, and I've got this new study and this new data, and he's just being like how he was in the podcast, just like super nerded out on medical statistics, and he had no idea.
So yeah, the whole Twitter thing and social media is very confusing.
There's people pretending to be me, and I've tried to do something about it, but I don't know what to do with it.
There's multiple people pretending to be me and uploading things.
He goes, I was not aware that it has been Removed or even re-uploaded.
And I just don't have time for that.
I'm in the middle of a conference right now.
And I'm doing a conference right now.
I'm speaking to 100 doctors.
And he's like rattling off data to me.
And the dude's just a fucking freight train of information.
shane dorian
I can't wait to listen to that one.
joe rogan
It's a good one.
shane dorian
I had about, I don't know, like six or eight people send me the link to it already.
joe rogan
It's a good one, but I just want everybody to know it is not Dr. Peter McCullough that is complaining about censorship.
And if the podcast gets uploaded anywhere else, whether it's YouTube or Rumble and it gets taken down, it's not being taken down because of censorship.
It's being taken down because Spotify owns the podcast.
Spotify licensed the podcast for the years that I'm on Spotify, so you can't upload it anywhere else.
It doesn't mean it's being censored.
It means you gotta go to Spotify to watch it.
It's available for free for everybody, but, you know, Spotify's paying for it.
That's why you can't just fucking upload it to places.
shane dorian
I feel like everybody has Spotify.
joe rogan
It's not hard to get.
It's very simple.
There's another thing that people need to know.
Here's another thing.
There's a bunch of people that are saying that Spotify is in dispute with comedians and they're not paying comedians, so they're removing comedians off of their platform instead of paying them royalties.
It's quite a bit more complicated than that.
And here's what I know.
There's a company that is They're claiming they represent all these comedians, but they don't.
And they're reaching out to Spotify as representatives of these comedians.
How do I know this?
Because they're claiming to represent me.
And they don't.
They have no business with me.
And yet they were claiming to represent me.
So I don't know what the fuck is going on, but because of the complaints, I've reached out to Spotify to go, hey, what is this?
What's happening here?
Give me the real story.
And then I got from my managers that these people are actually claiming they represent you, which is 100% not true.
So there's some fuckery going on.
And most likely it's someone who's trying to do something and make it look like they're in business with all these high-profile people and then do something with the royalties and try to...
Get money for these people and maybe take a piece of it or something.
I don't know what the deal is.
But I do know whoever these people are, they're pretending that they represent me when they fucking for sure don't.
So there's that.
shane dorian
There's a lot of misinformation out there these days.
joe rogan
There is.
shane dorian
And cutting through the bullshit is...
joe rogan
So hard.
shane dorian
It's difficult.
It's more complicated than ever.
I think it's by design.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if it's by design, it's just, the world is fucking confusing.
You know, this digital world that we live in is like, goddammit, there's so much going on.
There's so many platforms, and there's so much fucking material floating around, and NFTs, and NFTs, and everybody has a podcast.
Do you know there's two million goddamn podcasts now?
Two million.
Two million.
And, Jamie, wasn't there like one million at the start of the pandemic?
jamie vernon
I'll check now.
It's probably two and a half million or something.
joe rogan
It grows like a fucking weed.
shane dorian
Everybody has a podcast.
joe rogan
Everybody's got a podcast.
Yeah, everybody's got one.
I have people coming on my shows, to my comedy shows, yelling out, will you be on my podcast?
I'm like, what?
shane dorian
Who are you?
joe rogan
What is happening?
jamie vernon
April, there was two million, so...
joe rogan
Yeah, probably by now there's like way more.
May, June, July, August, September, October, November, oh my god, December, oh my god.
It's probably like another million.
jamie vernon
The same website, it didn't really update the sites.
joe rogan
I think it's kind of done by AI. But a year before that, it was only one million, or a year and a half before that.
When the pandemic started, I remember we were having a conversation, I was like, how many podcasts are there?
And then we Googled it and it was like 900-something thousand.
So it was like close to a million.
shane dorian
That's crazy.
That's already so many.
jamie vernon
Crazy.
This is 4.5 million total podcasts registered around the world according to podcastindex.org.
shane dorian
And Joe Rogan's number one!
That's crazy though.
Think about how nuts that is.
It's funny.
One of my really, really good friends has a podcast.
And he said, you know, we do my podcast.
And I said, no.
He's one of my really good friends.
He's all, what?
You go on Joe Rogan's podcast and you can't do mine?
And you're like, one of my best friends.
But he's the kind of guy, he's one of these guys who likes to start things, but doesn't follow through all the time.
So I told him, I said, I'll do your hundredth episode.
So you got to prove to me that you're serious about this whole podcast thing.
You know, a podcast can be easy to start, but you know, having like a track record, having like hundreds and hundreds of podcasts, a lot of people give up before then, right?
joe rogan
That's like everything, though.
That's like workouts, diets.
shane dorian
Well, I just figured it was important to get my message across that...
joe rogan
My time is serious, bitch.
unidentified
Yeah, dude!
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
I mean, you have a family.
You have work obligations.
You're a surfer.
Surfing must eat up a lot of fucking time.
shane dorian
Not enough.
I love surfing.
So, yeah, it doesn't eat up enough time, but it does.
unidentified
That's awesome.
shane dorian
It's time-consuming.
I mean, it's one of those things in my life that I wish I could do even more than I already do.
joe rogan
That is so awesome that that's what you do for a living.
I love hearing that because that's what everybody should strive for.
Something that you love doing, that you've been doing.
You've been surfing for how many years now?
shane dorian
I'm 49. I started when I was five.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
shane dorian
So a shit ton of time.
joe rogan
So 44 years of doing something and you can't get enough of it.
That's fucking amazing.
That's life right there.
If you can nail that, if you can find a thing that you love for 40 plus years and you can't get enough of it.
shane dorian
Think of that.
Four decades.
Four decades of something that I'm wildly passionate about still.
I'm insanely in love with surfing.
It's so...
It's...
It's like a massive part of my life.
You know how they say, this is what you do, but it's not who you are?
With surfing, I feel like it's who I am.
joe rogan
Well, you fucked your knee up pretty bad snowboarding.
Why don't you explain what happened?
shane dorian
That's a good way to say it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You really mangled that fucker, huh?
shane dorian
I fucked up my knee bad.
I was...
I was snowboarding in Mammoth, California with my son Jackson last winter and they had 10 feet of snow in 3 days.
10 feet of snow in 3 days.
We parked our car, went to sleep, woke up in the morning and our car was like a mound of snow.
It was like a 12 foot mound of snow and my car wasn't there.
Anyway, I was following him down the hill and he didn't realize how close I was behind him.
And we were flying, going super, super fast.
And then he just stopped on a dime to stop, to wait for me.
He thought I was like 100 yards behind him or whatever.
I was right behind him, which is my fault.
You should never do that, but I didn't really know that.
So I was right on top of him instantly.
And a snowboard's deadly, right?
Like super sharp edges.
And I just went...
I was on my toe edge so I just couldn't stop instantaneously and I was going to run right into him so I literally just tried to jump over him because I didn't want my board to hit him and kill him.
I had to make this choice super fast in a split second and so literally he just stopped and I was right on top of him and I jumped to get over him and he was standing next to a tree and my legs went right around the tree.
It was one of those like instantaneous like it all happened so quick but it was like almost in slow motion as I like fell into the snow and just went like the next year flashed before my eyes like holy shit.
All this fun shit that I really really wanted to do just evaporated into thin air.
joe rogan
And what was the damage?
shane dorian
I had full tears on my ACL and MCL. So it was proper fucked.
joe rogan
Meniscus as well?
shane dorian
My meniscus was fine.
joe rogan
Oh, that's lucky.
shane dorian
My cartilage is fine.
joe rogan
That's lucky.
That's the tough stuff.
shane dorian
I was lucky.
Super, super lucky in that way.
Incredibly fortunate.
And I'm grateful for that.
And it was super cool.
I... Got off the mountain.
The ski patrol came and got me.
It was funny.
My friend's like, man, maybe it's not that bad.
I'll just get you up and you can see what it feels like.
And I'm still strapped into my snowboard.
So he picks me up.
My buddy Chris, he picks me up.
And I'm like, it's screwed.
My knee's screwed.
And he's like, well, you don't know.
It just could be swollen.
And when you know, you know.
But I stood up and, you know, you're snowboarding.
So instantly I moved like an inch and my knee was just jelly.
There was nothing there.
And I just sat back and...
Ski patrol took me down the mountain.
And so I FaceTimed my buddy Warren Kramer, who's an incredible surgeon.
And I FaceTimed him and he goes, dude, get in your car tomorrow morning early, drive down here, we'll get you scanned, figure it out.
But for sure, it's bad by the sound of it.
And he had me move it all these different ways.
And as soon as I got on his table the next morning, he goes, you have a blown ACL and a blown MCL, complete tears.
And I was like, how would you know that?
He literally was just feeling it and like, you know, like manipulating my leg.
And he goes, I mean, thank God I was friends with him.
He goes, I'm going to squeeze you into my surgery schedule in the next two days.
So I was from like in the mountain wrapped around a tree to in surgery.
My wife Lisa got on a flight the next day or that day from Hawaii to fly out for my surgery and take care of me and all that.
But it sucked.
joe rogan
The ACL, did they use a cadaver?
shane dorian
They used my patellar tendon for both.
joe rogan
Oh, for both?
shane dorian
And they bored holes out of my...
I'm going to totally botch this, so I'm not going to try to explain it exactly right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a patellar tendograph.
They bore holes out of your knee and your shin.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they pull the piece of bone and they use that to screw it back in place as your ACL. And that's why it's so strong.
shane dorian
And your body accepts the patellar tendon as a ligament, correct?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it'll definitely accept it as a ligament.
What it actually works on, the same way the cadaver does, what happens is your body re-proliferates it.
So it probably accepts it easier because it's already a part of your body.
But when you get a cadaver graft, what happens is, so they put, with mine, they used a Achilles tendon.
I had both done.
So I had one done with a patella tendon graft and one done with a cadaver.
The cadaver was way easier to recover.
Way easier.
Way less invasive.
So they put it in there and then you have a dead guy's Achilles tendon inside your knee.
shane dorian
So you're a part dead guy.
joe rogan
And then your body re-proliferates it with its own cells and it takes like six to nine months for that to fully happen.
But the problem is you start feeling pretty good Like a couple months in and a lot of guys, especially a lot of fighters, they blow their knee out a second time.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they go too soon.
They practice too soon.
shane dorian
Yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm older now or whatever, but it's taken a long time.
It's been about 10 months.
joe rogan
It takes a long time.
My left knee, which I did with a patella tendin graph, it was about a year before it felt right.
Like a year.
And then even after that, when I would kneel on something, like if I'm doing jujitsu and I'm on my knees, it hurts.
Just like the surface of it hurts.
shane dorian
Well, and a couple months ago, I was expecting it to already be pretty good by that point.
You know, say like eight months in or seven months in, but it didn't feel right.
It just did not feel right.
I could never imagine it ever being back to 100%.
That's when I talked to you and you were like, hey, get to Austin.
And I was coming here anyway, you know, with my son to go surfing in the wave pool.
And you said, let's get some stem cells in that thing.
It was like night and day.
In about a week, it was a whole lot better.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got you into Ways to Well.
And my boy Brigham, he's awesome.
shane dorian
He's awesome.
joe rogan
And Denise.
And they got you a gang of stem cells and shot them in there.
I knew it was going to help.
It just helps.
You know, it's...
The technology and where medicine is at now with biologics, like stem cell recovery, it's all been, like, people that are skeptical about it.
There's a guy named Dr. Neil Reardon.
He's written many books on it, and there's many papers written on the effects of it.
It's not nonsense.
It's real.
I had a full-length rotator cuff tear in my right shoulder.
It's completely gone.
No surgery.
It just completely disappeared.
Completely healed back up because of stem cells.
shane dorian
I feel like there's some injuries where stem cells would be super effective, but it's not like, you know, like, Robitussin has that, like, put Robitussin on it.
joe rogan
That's an old Eddie Murphy bit, yeah.
shane dorian
So, like, I think there's some injuries that, like, stem cells may not do that much, but for, like, my knee or your rotator cuff, I mean, I'm, like, a true believer now.
There was so much friction in my knee before we did that that day.
It just felt so, I don't know, clicky and stiff and lots of friction, like I said, and then all of a sudden it just felt lubricated, like it was being supported from the inside.
It was pretty awesome.
For those who have never tried stem cells for anything, I'm baffled by it.
joe rogan
No, it's amazing.
My wife had a labrum, like a worn labrum.
It was like, I forget what it's called, a frayed labrum, that's what it was, in her hip.
And she was really worried that she was going to have to have surgery because a friend of ours, his wife, had a very similar issue.
She was a dancer.
And she was all set up for surgery.
They were all set up for surgery and they said, let's just try stem cells before the surgery.
So they gave, not my wife, my friend's wife.
They gave her stem cells, and she was like scheduled for surgery.
They gave her stem cells, and then when they went in for surgery to look at it, like there's no injury here anymore.
So they did an invasive, non-invasive with, you know, they do like a little scope to go in there.
Like the injury's gone.
And she was already saying that the pain had stopped happening.
So all of the fray, all of the tear in the labrum had healed itself from stem cells.
And the same thing happened to my wife.
Like she had this frayed labrum and it was like really fucking with her.
She had one shot of stem cells in there and then like a couple months later there's no more pain.
It just healed itself.
It's amazing what they can do.
It's not everything.
You can't fix everything with it.
But you can most certainly fix things that you were fucked just five years ago or ten years ago.
And I think ten years from now, they'll probably have it even better.
And if you go to other countries, They can do wild shit.
Like, I have friends that go down to Colombia and to Peru and Panama, and they get stem cells down there, and holy jabezus, they can just do all kinds of crazy shit.
They just have you down there for three or four days and just keep shooting you up.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I don't know if it's dangerous.
I mean, I don't know why they can't do it in America.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure, like, what the rub is, but the FDA gets in the way and cock blocks the stem cells.
shane dorian
Well, there's some fishy stuff out there that people are hawking and there's some doctors that are, you know, like the stem cells thing, like I was saying this morning, is like a side hustle for some of these guys.
And so I was like pretty kind of skeptical.
And honestly, thank you for inviting me out here to do it.
joe rogan
Oh, my pleasure.
shane dorian
Because I probably wouldn't have done it if you hadn't.
And I actually went and met with a couple of doctors about my back years ago.
About stem cells.
And the guys were sketch.
And you could tell it was like a lucrative side hustle for them.
And so I was so psyched to, you know, like meet the ways to well guys.
They're so legit and so super professional and just like talking to them.
And I just like my personal experience has been insane.
So thank you.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
My buddy, John Wolf, who's the head trainer over at the Honor Gym, he went down to Columbia for his back.
He went to the bioaccelerator people, and they shot stem cells into his discs in his spine, into all the discs that he was having issues with.
And he's like, my God.
They told me it was going to get worse before it got better because it'll be inflamed because of the treatment.
He goes, but honestly, it really didn't hurt that bad.
But within a couple of weeks, I started noticing I have more range of motion, more range of motion is back.
Conceivably, what they think they can do, whether they can do it now, it's hard to say what they're actually capable of doing in these other countries where they have way more leeway to try things out.
But conceivably in the future, They're going to be able to inject into the discs itself and you will grow more disc material.
So for people like me that have had like a lot of back trauma, like I've had from jujitsu in particular, everybody I know that does jujitsu has fucked up backs.
They all have fucked up discs because your discs shrink from just getting just smooshed all the time.
And they call it disc degeneration disease, but it's not really a disease.
It's not like you have tuberculosis.
shane dorian
It's more wear and tear.
joe rogan
It's just tear.
And your discs shrink.
And the problem is doctors want to just start fusing everything.
There's a lot of doctors.
Some doctors are more, they're looking at the body as a holistic unit and like, let's just keep everything healthy and let's see what we can do.
Alternative to surgery to try to help you.
But a lot of doctors are like, it's time to cut.
And I have friends that have had back surgery and the moment that they got Out of back surgery, other things started going wrong in their back, and then it was like a cascade.
It just kept happening, and they've had like three, four, five back surgeries where they have a bunch of discs that are fused together in their back, so their whole back is like this, and they're like a fucking...
A robot.
And then they have all sorts of weird problems.
Like I have one friend, one of his calves is atrophied because the nerves from the inflammation in his back surgery, there was an issue.
It went wrong.
And so his fucking calf is not getting the signals.
So his calf like shriveled up like a bone.
So one of his calves is like a fucking bone.
Oh, geez.
And he's a big fucking burly dude.
He's only got this one bullshit leg.
It's crazy.
shane dorian
Well, I'm grateful for...
I'm back.
I'm surfing.
I'm back in the water.
And I'm so happy.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
shane dorian
Pretty gnarly.
The whole surgery sucked.
I had an amazing surgeon and a really good experience with that.
But it hurt like a bastard.
I mean, horribly sore.
Remember that scene in...
Remember Kathy Bates?
Oh, yes.
Misery.
Misery.
Remember when he wakes up and she has a sledgehammer?
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
She goes whack to his leg.
That's what I felt like.
That's what my knee felt like.
I felt like someone took a sledgehammer to it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
shane dorian
When I woke up back in my buddy's house after surgery, the pain was excruciating.
Then they had me in on...
Percocets, I think.
And, um, I got off them as soon as I could, but ugh, ugh, just hate pain medication, all that shit.
It's just gross.
And now I'm, like, back surfing, my knee's feeling better.
I got a really, really, really great, um...
Like a killer, custom knee brace that I wear surfing.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it doesn't impede your movement?
shane dorian
No, not really.
joe rogan
Not at all.
That's great.
So it's fit to the size of your knee and everything.
shane dorian
Yeah, it's totally customized to the size of my leg, the size of my knee, the bones and everything.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
So you can do stuff while it's healing and it protects it.
shane dorian
Yeah.
And I wear it hunting and everything.
joe rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
shane dorian
So I can hunt in, you know, gnarlier terrain and walk up and down steep mountains.
And if I fall and eat crap, I don't hurt my knees.
joe rogan
And so, like, right now, there's no pain in it?
Does it feel weaker?
shane dorian
A little bit of weakness, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
A little bit of weakness?
shane dorian
Yeah, I mean, the size of my thigh went down, like...
I think I lost like an inch of the circumference of my thigh muscle and just my leg right there by about an inch.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild how quick that happens?
shane dorian
In the first like three weeks.
joe rogan
Like immediately.
shane dorian
It's like your brain turns off the signal to your muscles like, okay, I want to shut this thing off.
joe rogan
Well, that was what was happening to my friend's calf.
shane dorian
Yeah.
Weird.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I don't want to shy people completely away from back surgery.
Like my buddy Eddie Bravo, his back was fucked.
He had no disc tissue.
There was nothing in between the two.
It was just bone on bone on his back.
He was excruciating pain all the time.
And then they replaced it with a titanium disc.
They put an artificial disc and it works.
It means he doesn't have any real issues.
It was a little sore for a while and, you know, took a while to rehab it, but it works.
shane dorian
Think of all the shit, all the injuries that we've had and our friends have had that like 50, 60, 80 years ago, you basically would have just been like a cripple for the rest of your life.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
shane dorian
And now they're just like, oh, yeah, just...
I'm feeling great.
I'm back to snowboarding.
joe rogan
You would have no fucking knees.
shane dorian
I'm going to snowboarding next month.
I can't wait.
I'm so excited.
joe rogan
Why are you doing that again?
shane dorian
Because snowboarding rules.
It's amazingly awesome.
My kid is obsessed with it now.
I'm going to take my wife.
My wife loves snowboarding.
We're going to go to Colorado.
I'm going to just chill.
No more trees.
joe rogan
Everybody says that.
shane dorian
No more aerials.
joe rogan
And then you start having fun.
You start fucking coasting and you just, yeah.
shane dorian
I'm going to keep my snowboard on the snow.
No airs, no cliffs, no trees.
I'm going to snowboard with my daughter, Charlie.
So, keeping it chill.
unidentified
I had a similar...
joe rogan
Similar accident to what you had where someone was in front of me and I had I didn't want to hit them was some lady was skiing and she didn't know what she was doing and she sort of just slid backwards uncontrollably into the trail and I was coming around the corner I was like fuck And it was either hit this lady and wipe her out or find a way to fall.
And so I found a way, but it was not good because it was kind of icy.
And so my skis went out from under me, head first, banged my fucking head on the ground, fucked my leg up, wound up cracking my shin bone.
shane dorian
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I got a concussion.
And I was like delirious all day.
I went to sit on the chair comes around.
I went to sit on it and I timed it wrong and I just fell down.
And I couldn't figure out how to get up.
I was so loopy from being KO'd almost.
I mean, I was awake.
I never went out cold, but I was definitely concussed.
And so this lady had to help me get up like a dork.
I couldn't get up with skis on.
I was struggling, and I was holding up the line.
shane dorian
I'm going to keep doing all the stuff I love to do.
joe rogan
I don't love skiing.
shane dorian
I don't care how dangerous it is.
I mean, I do, to a point, but I just, I don't know.
I'm at the point in my life where I'm like, if I like to do it, I'm going to do it.
joe rogan
I get it.
I get that.
I just have never gotten skiing.
To me, it's like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt.
Didn't get hurt.
Try it again.
And the only reason why I go at all is because my family likes it.
My kids love it.
shane dorian
I've been snowboarding for decades and never really had a serious injury at all.
joe rogan
Well, maybe that one could have been prevented if you just were a little bit more cautious, right?
shane dorian
Yes, for sure, 100%.
And I'm very chill these days.
I know it's dangerous, so I snowboard safely.
You can always get taken out by a big lady sliding into you, though.
joe rogan
Well, she wasn't a big lady.
That was part of the problem.
She was a small lady.
I did not want to kill her.
I mean, I was coming around the corner, and this lady just was like, Backwards, sliding right into the trail.
I'm like, fuck!
shane dorian
I'm always terrified when you go from one run to the other.
unidentified
That's when you get taken out.
joe rogan
That's why people are sliding down and you're trying to merge.
I've seen some gnarly ones.
But injuries like that, man, they're wake-up calls of how fragile your body is.
You don't really pay that much attention to it until something gets injured.
And you're like, God, everything is so soft and mushy.
shane dorian
I was listening to a podcast with you and Sanjay Gupta this morning when I was in the gym.
And you guys started, I didn't get to that part, but you guys started talking about how you did Taekwondo, is that right?
joe rogan
Yes.
shane dorian
And then you stopped doing it because you were fearful about your brain being injured?
joe rogan
Yeah, there was definitely a lot of head trauma from that, but it was really more when I started kickboxing.
That's when I really started thinking about it.
Because in kickboxing, we were sparring a lot and you're getting hit in the head a lot.
And gym fights.
There's something that I just pulled up.
Jamie, see if you can find this.
I think I saved it, but they're essentially saying that...
Gym trauma, like trauma from getting punched.
Oh, go to the UG on Instagram.
There was an article, and I think they linked to the article, but they're saying that as much as 10 times the damage you get from fights, guys are getting from the gym.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
shane dorian
From the gym.
joe rogan
Because they spar so hard in the gym, and you're doing it all the time.
There's a lot of guys, and I grew up at a time where people were not aware of CTE like they are now.
They thought people had brain damage if they were punch drunk, but they really thought it was after you got knocked out too many times.
They didn't realize that it's just from accumulation of sub-concussive blows.
So there it is.
This is the study.
A new study finding MMA fighters take 10 times more head trauma in training compared to fights.
10 times.
So think about all these fights that you see where people are in these crazy wild wars and now imagine that they get 10 times more of that trauma in the gym.
There's Cub Swanson just fucking winding up.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
So did you have some brain injuries that you were spooked by?
Or you just were like, hey, this is sketchy going forward.
I need to mellow out on this stuff?
joe rogan
I had a lot of headaches.
Bad headaches after sparring.
I remember one time I was lying in bed.
There's this guy that I used to spar with all the time.
It's kind of crazy.
He's a crazy story.
I knew him when he was younger.
And we were both the same age.
And then he went to jail.
And then four or five years later, he got out of jail.
And he was like a totally different person.
He got out of jail.
He was like really jacked and then just super wild, like crazy.
And he was telling me stories of jail, like having to fight guys and fight guys.
Like he got a mop stick and took on three guys with like a mop handle.
shane dorian
You need to get him on the podcast.
joe rogan
He's dead.
shane dorian
Oh, geez.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's like, dude, I was fighting for my fucking life.
It was crazy.
But he had become like feral while he was in prison.
He was a different guy.
And when we would spar, we were going to war.
shane dorian
Dude, prison's like a jungle.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, he was also in prison for like heavy shit, like selling drugs and having guns.
It was heavy duty stuff.
And when we would spar, and he was like a training partner I sparred with a lot.
We would not spar like it was touching each other.
You're supposed to spar light.
We went full blast all the time.
And I would be lying in bed sometimes.
I remember very specifically this one time.
I was lying in bed.
I was broke.
I was like 20 years old and I'm lying in bed.
My head's pounding.
Just boom, boom, boom.
And I don't have any money.
I don't have any health insurance.
I don't know what my future is.
I'm like, what am I doing with my life?
And I'm like, I am here getting fucking brain damage.
This is definitely going to give me brain damage.
My head is killing me.
And it's just from being punched in the head.
shane dorian
That's scary.
That is really scary.
joe rogan
All the years of sparring, like how many times I got hit in the head and I'm like, what if one day I'm gone?
Like now I become this brain damaged guy.
Because there was guys that I knew from the gym that I knew them years ago and they were one way and now I know them and they're like slurring their words.
shane dorian
Yeah.
And I feel like there's like this kind of slow buildup where you don't notice it and then all of a sudden it's too late.
It's like a slippery slope.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
shane dorian
The reason I was asking you about that is because when I was listening about it this morning, I was thinking about I've had a lot of radical concussions from surfing and I had about five of them within like a four year period.
unidentified
Really?
shane dorian
And they become successively easier to get.
Like I became more fragile and more prone to concussions as time went on.
I was surfing big waves.
I was eating shit off like 50 foot waves, falling, you know, 30, 40 feet, 50 feet onto moving water.
Water that's moving super fast.
It feels like you're falling onto concrete.
And I was getting really horrible, horrible concussions where I was throwing up and like nauseous for 48 hours and like just really bad situations.
And I never really equated it to brain injury.
I don't know.
I just didn't really know that that's...
I didn't really know that concussions were bad for you.
I just figured they were bad.
They were like sore, and they're painful, and they're horribly, you know, they'd sucked when you're going through it, but then it was no big deal.
And then about two years ago, I was on a boat trip, and I met this guy, Fred, who's from California, and we started chatting about what we do, and he owns the Brain Treatment Center in California.
And he's like, this is what I do.
I have this brain treatment center.
And he's like, next time you're in California, you should come by and get an EEG, like get a reading of your brain.
And then you can just see what it looks like after all these concussions you're telling me about.
And so next time I was in California, I did that.
I got an EEG. And then it was really cool.
Like one of the scientists from the company, we did a rad Zoom call.
So he took me through my whole, like my scan report with all the data and all the charts and what it meant.
And it was so surreal.
He was telling me – I'd never met this guy in my life, this guy named Spencer.
And he goes – he was telling me specifically about myself, about stuff that was so detailed and so nuanced about my personality type and who I was that it was stuff my wife probably wouldn't even know.
It was that.
joe rogan
He could read that from your brain scan?
shane dorian
You're like this.
Like your thought processes, like your strengths and how your brain works.
And here's where you for sure have all these really detailed things about like if I study a lot or read a lot, I get super exhausted.
At the time, I was getting like crazy exhausted, like brain fatigue and like...
I love to read.
When I read, I get horribly tired and fall asleep right away.
I couldn't read.
And I had a lot of ADHD-style symptoms like brain fog, mental clarity issues, forgetfulness, leaving things, just being a space case, but kind of really extreme.
I felt like it was getting worse as I got older.
And so the next time I was in San Diego I went to the clinic and I got this like a week's worth of brain treatments.
Have you ever done brain treatment?
joe rogan
No.
shane dorian
It was a trip.
joe rogan
So the San Diego, is that the place where they use magnets?
Yeah.
My friend Kat Zingano went there.
She's a fighter for the UFC. She had this wild fight with Amanda Nunes and she won the fight.
She stopped Amanda, but in the first round she took so much trauma.
That it fucked up the cortisol levels of her brain.
Her hormones were all out of whack.
She was gaining weight.
She was depressed.
And her body wouldn't move right.
Her coordination was all fucked up.
And she got all of her movement back from this magnetic training.
I know they do it with a lot of soldiers as well.
shane dorian
Yeah.
So I guess the reason I was telling you about mine is because my experience has been super good.
It's helped me a ton.
joe rogan
What was the effect of it?
shane dorian
So I had a week's worth of in-clinic brain treatments, which are like, I think they were like 45 minutes long each time.
I did a week's worth of that every morning in San Diego.
And then they sent me an in-home unit that I did for 30 days.
It was really cool.
So based off my EEG, like my brain scan, They do like, it's almost like I'm doing like those invisible teeth aligners right now, like braces.
joe rogan
Invisalign?
shane dorian
Yeah.
So like, you know, when they do that, they scan your teeth, they show you what your teeth look like now, and they show you what your teeth are going to look like in a year or six months or whatever it is.
And like week by week, it gets closer to this finished product.
It was kind of similar to that.
They go, here's your brain.
Here's what it looks like.
And basically, the back of your brain, the middle of your brain, and the front of your brain I don't know this stuff very well, right?
But they are three separate parts, but they work as one.
And you really want that alignment.
You want the back, the middle, and the front to have alignment.
Like all the energy and how you process information is all fucked up if the signals are crossed.
And if your brain is not aligned back, middle, and front, you're going to have issues, major issues.
In mine, the back was fine.
The middle was pretty good.
But the front, it was completely off.
And like this, like you want to see like basically on the chart, you want to see like this mountain range all in the middle in one.
Mountain range.
Real steep, like a chart.
joe rogan
And what is it representing?
Is it representing brain function?
shane dorian
Brain function.
Yeah.
And how you process information.
And so they were like, look, here's where your problem is.
It's in the front of your brain and a little bit in the middle.
And over all these treatments, it's going to be like, here's where you are now.
Here's where your brain would be optimum.
And it's like my brain.
It wasn't like, here's the optimum brain.
It's like showing me my teeth all jacked up and where my teeth are going to be in six months when it's finished.
And so they use this personalized...
Like artificial intelligence reads through like hundreds of thousands of brain scans that they have.
So it's like if I have a certain type of brain, they have an optimum like artificial intelligence basically spits out like a program for my brain.
So I had like a USB. So they sent me this really cool in-home machine and like a little USB drive with my brain data on it.
So I click it in, I turn it on, I put the thing on for 30 minutes.
And after 30 days, I mean, well, after the first, I should say this, after the first week in the in-clinic stuff, I was 17% closer to the finished brain.
unidentified
Wow.
shane dorian
Yeah, and I could see it.
How I said it was like the brain activity on the chart from the scan, it should be all three, the front, back, front, middle, and back should have a steep, like a mountain range in the middle.
And my front was like dull and short and off to the side.
And after one week, I was 17% closer to where my brain would be when it was totally optimized and perfect.
joe rogan
In a perfect world, how often would you do it?
shane dorian
Well, your brain is interesting because it's not like a muscle.
Like, say I started doing curls with, like, 30-pound dumbbells every day, and my muscles got jacked after six months, and then I put those things down and never did it again, my arms just go back to normal, right?
Your brain's not like that.
Your brain, once you, like, say you have a perfect brain, and you get punched in the head by Usman 100,000 times, and then your brain's all beat up.
That's going to stay beat up until you change it.
So if you have brain treatment and it works really well, it pulls your brain back in a more optimized type of situation.
And so for me, once my brain, after the 30 days, my brain was in a lot better shape.
Everything was aligned.
The first thing I noticed is I had a whole lot more energy in the afternoons.
I used to have to drink an energy drink or whatever it was.
I needed some sort of boost in the afternoon to stay super sharp.
And then I immediately had more energy.
I would get less brain fatigue from reading or doing research or, you know.
And then I was more clear, like more mental clarity.
I just felt way sharper.
joe rogan
That's fucking awesome.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so cool that they have that now because for the longest time there was no real treatments.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
My good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, he works with the Warrior Angel Foundation, which works with soldiers that have had traumatic brain injuries, and he's a TBI expert.
And he says that people can get TBI from a lot of things that you would assume are innocuous.
One of them, he said, is jet skis.
I go, really?
He goes, yeah, man.
He goes, this thing where you go, bang, bang, bang.
He goes, every time you're doing that, when you're riding waves and bouncing up and down, he's like, your brain is sloshing around inside your head.
I go, no way.
That can give you brain.
He goes, oh, yeah.
He goes, soccer?
He goes, when you're headbutting that ball, that can give you CBI or TBI? You would never think with surfing.
No.
shane dorian
I never thought that.
And then I'm really good friends with a bunch of big wave surfers, and a lot of them are starting to have brain issues.
Really bad.
Because you're having these huge wipeouts where you're free falling for stories, right?
And then you get smashed and the wave rattles the shit out of you like really crazy.
And your brain is like inside of fluid inside of your skull and it's just like rattling back and forth like crazy.
joe rogan
What was the gentleman's name that came in, the big giant football player guy with the iron neck?
Is it Mike Jolly?
He developed this piece of equipment called the Iron Neck to strengthen your neck that will help prevent a lot of brain injury because a lot of brain injury is having a weak neck and your head just gets fucking whipped around.
And so he has this...
Do you know what an Iron Neck is?
shane dorian
I don't.
joe rogan
It's like a halo that you put on and you tighten it down and then it has a bungee cord on the back of it.
So you pull against the bungee cord and then you rotate your neck back and forth and you can adjust the tension on how hard...
Look, I have a video.
I'll show this to you, Jamie.
This is a video of what it looks like when you're doing it.
I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.
shane dorian
I was watching...
How good was...
joe rogan
Here, Jim, I just sent you a video.
Oh, there's one.
There's a video.
shane dorian
Wow, what a trip.
joe rogan
So he was a football player who played in the NFL, and so he developed this thing.
And so you back up on this bungee cord, and then you turn...
He was teaching me how to do it there.
And then he was trying to...
You keep your shoulders straight, and you turn your head side to side...
And I don't know if you can see the difference in my neck then and now, but my neck is way stronger now.
shane dorian
Your neck is stronger.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
It's bigger.
I sent you a video.
The video is me using it the other day.
My neck is way stronger now because I do it all the time.
So I've got all this meat now in my neck that I never had before.
For jujitsu, it's gigantic.
So this is what it looks like now.
You can see my neck is way bigger than it ever was before.
shane dorian
Good luck getting a suit, like a shirt that's going to fit.
joe rogan
No, I wear custom suits.
I have them made for this fucking chimp body.
shane dorian
For that neck.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at my neck.
Isn't that crazy?
unidentified
Yeah, it is crazy.
joe rogan
Look at how much bigger it is.
You can see in that old video versus now how much bigger my neck is.
It's way bigger.
So I'm doing this at least once a week, usually twice a week.
And I have a series of exercises that I do.
shane dorian
Oh, it's working.
I can tell you that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it works, man.
shane dorian
It's working.
joe rogan
But for jujitsu, it's gigantic.
To have a strong neck is gigantic.
But for anything, I think when your head gets whipped around, my head is not going to get whipped around like that.
It's stabilized more.
It protects you.
shane dorian
I'll throw you over the falls on an 80-foot wave.
joe rogan
That's not going to help.
That amount of force, when I watch you go down these crazy waves and I see what's behind you, it's so terrifying.
Just the idea that that can come smashing down on your head at any moment.
shane dorian
And it does.
It not only might come down on you, it does.
It's only a matter of time it's going to happen for sure.
joe rogan
Fuck.
shane dorian
It's something that you have to train for and expect.
joe rogan
When it hits you, what is the protocol?
What are you supposed to do when you get hit?
shane dorian
Well, I mean, it's more like before.
It's like when you get hit.
joe rogan
When you know it's happening.
When you know the wave is about to collapse on you.
What do you do?
shane dorian
I mean, you just execute your plan that you have.
Like for me, it was more...
And I don't do as much big wave stuff as I once did.
I'm 49 now and trying to mellow out.
I still love big waves, but it was my life for a while.
And at the time, I was training like a madman, like super physically fit, working out six days a week, super high, like crazy intense.
And I was working with like breath coaches to do like breath work and stuff.
So as soon as I would paddle into the lineup when I was surfing big waves, I was breathing to where I was oxygenating my lungs.
Did I say that right?
And so you basically try to get as much air into your lungs as possible when you know you're about to eat shit or go under a really huge wave.
And then it's just a matter of holding your breath.
joe rogan
So you just take a giant deep breath right before you go in there?
shane dorian
Yeah, like crazy.
And you stuff your lungs everywhere else as much as you can.
You pack your lungs with as much air as you can.
Is that you?
joe rogan
Oh my god, Shane Dorian!
What the fuck?!
Jesus Christ, that's scary!
shane dorian
And that's me eating shit.
joe rogan
Wow, but look at this.
Oh my God, that's so wild, dude.
And when you eat shit that hard, and it comes down on you that hard, like, how much time does it take before you can get up to the surface?
shane dorian
It really depends.
I mean, in a really bad situation, I had one wipeout off the coast of Northern California in Half Moon Bay at this wave called Mavericks, where This chick was on a boat filming and she filmed me eating shit much like that.
And I was underwater.
She was filming my board and it was tombstoning, meaning she could only see the top half of my surfboard.
The bottom half was underwater and I was at the end of like a 15-foot leash to my surfboard.
My board is about 10 and a half feet long.
My leash was 15 feet long.
And then I was at the very bottom of that leash.
And I was underwater for a minute and about 8 seconds.
A long time.
It doesn't sound like that long, right?
joe rogan
Fucking sounds like a long ass time.
shane dorian
But I did a lot of breath training.
Or I didn't do a lot of breath training.
But I did some breath training.
And like...
Basically, your static breath hold, like whatever you can do in a pool with a calm heart rate, you can basically, under pressure, like if your heart rate's going crazy, you can hold your breath for a quarter of your static breath hold.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
shane dorian
So like when I do my static, but when I, yeah, isn't that scary?
joe rogan
It's terrifying.
shane dorian
But it's powerful because if you know that you have, say hypothetically, you have a four minute breath hold static, then that means under pressure, like in a situation like that, where your heart rate's really high and you're getting the shit kicked out of you, you should be able to hold your breath for one minute.
And survive.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I can't hold my breath for four minutes.
I think when we did that thing with David Blaine...
How long do you think you can do it?
jamie vernon
We didn't finish it, but you did it for quite a long time.
And he was about to teach us how to do it longer, but we didn't get that far.
shane dorian
They can teach you how to do it longer.
joe rogan
Well, I did it longer than everybody else, but I still didn't think it was that long.
jamie vernon
Over two minutes, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not that long.
jamie vernon
But I don't think it was four, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was like two and a half minutes.
But Vasily Lomachenko, one of the things he does for every fight is he tries to make his ability to hold his breath longer.
And for this last one, he got to four minutes and 30 seconds, which is like two seconds longer than his previous run.
shane dorian
Those are rookie numbers.
unidentified
No, I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
I would imagine for a free surfer or a free diver, right?
shane dorian
It's got to be so good for him, right?
It's a huge advantage.
That lung capacity is massive with fighting.
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
I think he does it also just for mental toughness, just the ability to steal his mind.
shane dorian
A lot of it is just being...
For me, it was great because I had that...
If you don't know that, if you don't know the science behind holding your breath for a long time under pressure with a high heart rate, then you just go into these wipeouts like, fuck, I hope I survive.
I need to hold my breath!
And when you have that hope type of mindset, then your heart rate goes higher and you start burning more oxygen.
But if you don't have that hope, if that's not a part of your mindset and you're just like, shit, I've done the training, I know how long I can hold my breath with a high heart rate.
And knowing that number and knowing that you're pretty much never going to be held underwater for that long.
Like I could hold my breath.
The longest I held my breath during the breath training thing that I did was five minutes and 34 seconds.
joe rogan
Well, hope is not a good thing for any skill.
shane dorian
No.
joe rogan
Like, I hope the ball goes in the net.
It's not going in.
I hope I make this shot.
I'm not making the shot.
Like, in archery, you can't hope you hit the vitals.
You have to know you're going to hit the vitals.
When you release that arrow, that arrow...
You have to have fucking...
Hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of training.
shane dorian
If you're hoping, you're toast.
joe rogan
You're hoping you're fucked.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're fucked.
shane dorian
And it's like that with big waves.
So for me, I was like, okay, I can hold my breath for five minutes and 34 seconds.
And so I can, so 25% of that, I can do that with a high heart rate.
joe rogan
That's your record is 534?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When those free divers get to like seven, eight minutes, like what are they doing different?
shane dorian
They're just- Well, and I only did one three-day course of, like, breath training or four-day course.
So they teach you the science behind breath holding.
And they help you with, like, things to think about to get your static higher and higher and higher.
joe rogan
Well, give us the cliff notes.
Like, what are they...
shane dorian
Essentially, they have you hold your breath right at the start, see what your static breath hold is.
And then they teach you how to hold it for longer.
And so it's almost like meditation.
For me, you don't think of time.
You don't count the seconds.
You think about things that have...
They were like, okay, think about something that's super detailed and go through that process while you're holding your breath.
So I was in the pool, and a guy's timing me, and I'm in a wetsuit, and I go underwater, and I packed my bags to go hunting on lanai.
Yeah.
So I was like, hey...
So I started holding my breath, I went underwater, and I was like, okay, what do I need for my hunting trip on Lanai?
I need, how many arrows do I need?
Three dozen.
And then I was like, okay, I got my broadheads, then I gotta get my boots, okay, now I gotta get my waterproof boots, now I gotta get my, like, sneaking shoes, okay, what socks do I need?
Like, super detailed...
Super boring stuff that you know really well and I went through that whole packing thing and then I like literally I got in my truck in my mind drove down to the airport got on the plane flew there got off the plane it was like all this stuff was happening and then I didn't know how much time had passed and then after and then you know you have that involuntary urge to breathe you know have you ever hold hold your breath for a long time and all of a sudden you go Yeah.
Your stomach starts doing this thing where it's like telling your brain you need to breathe now or else you're gonna die.
It's not true.
So when you do these breath holding classes it's really neat because they tell you like when that urge to breathe that tells you you need to breathe right now or you're gonna black out or die or whatever it is especially if you're underwater it's really scary right?
And so they teach you to go okay you need to hold through these big contractions.
And so like these contractions are happening and you're not paying attention to them when you're like in this meditative type of mindset and that's how you can hold your breath for a super long time.
joe rogan
So when you go through them, does it ever get easier when you hit those things or is it just something you learn how to deal with?
shane dorian
It's super uncomfortable, right?
And so you learn to deal with it.
You learn to go, okay, this is totally normal.
I know I can hold through multiple minutes of these contractions.
joe rogan
This urge.
shane dorian
Yeah.
So then you end up like not even paying attention to them.
joe rogan
Really?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's still uncomfortable.
shane dorian
But you need to at the end because you get really like spacey and relaxed like super in this meditative state to where like at the end because they start speeding up.
Those contractions start speeding up and when they get to a certain when they get to a certain you know when they start happening fast enough you black out.
So when I was doing this underwater training, you know, you do it with a partner.
There's a guy watching you all the time.
So you don't have a shallow water blackout and you don't drown.
joe rogan
Jesus.
shane dorian
Yeah.
But it was great because when I would go surfing after that, I was like, shit, I can hold my breath for like, I forget what it was, like a minute and 45 seconds under pressure and they tested you.
They would make you do squats or run in the field and then run back and do squats with your eyes closed.
And then someone would push you as fast as they could from the back.
And so you'd try to get that air.
You'd be doing squats with your eyes closed.
You never knew when they were going to push you.
And they would push you.
And then as you were falling into the pool, in one second you had to try and get as much air as you could.
It was very similar to a wipeout serving.
So from the moment that you realized you were going in, you had to go...
As fast as you could.
And then as soon as you hit the water, there was two divers in the water.
They would hold you underwater and like spin you around like you're in a washing machine.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane dorian
And then they would let you go.
And then right before you got to the surface, they'd pull you back down and pull you back down.
And they had watches.
So they would be like, okay, Shane can hold his breath for a minute and 45 seconds under stress.
And so they would do it until you blacked out.
joe rogan
And did you black out?
unidentified
And they'd bring you up.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
shane dorian
A couple different times.
joe rogan
Fuck that!
shane dorian
Yeah, it was horrible.
And I felt like I had like concussion type symptoms after it.
So for two days we did this kind of training and every single night I went home and like threw up and felt gross.
joe rogan
Maybe you were getting concussions.
shane dorian
Yeah, but it was worth it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would imagine.
shane dorian
Yeah, it was great training.
joe rogan
The knowledge.
shane dorian
It made me more confident, made me stronger, and it helped me feel safer serving big waves.
joe rogan
I would imagine for someone that does what you do, that's a prerequisite.
You have to have that ability to hold your breath that long.
shane dorian
There's some guys who do what I do, and they just roll up on the boat or roll up on the cliff and check the surf.
Oh, it's 60 feet, and they're like, I'm out there, spark a dirt, just start smoking a cigarette.
We're out there, dude.
Yeah.
I mean, some of them don't train at all, smoke cigarettes, like have big nights right before surfing, and you really, at that point, you're hoping for the best.
You know, you're playing with fire.
joe rogan
Yeah, what happens when one of those guys gets sucked under?
shane dorian
Yeah.
And there's been a bunch of guys who died that I've known, you know?
Really close friends who passed waves serving big waves.
So it's nothing to mess with.
joe rogan
Have you known anybody that got bit by a shark?
shane dorian
Yes.
joe rogan
How many guys?
shane dorian
One of my friends got bit by a shark less than a week ago.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How is he?
shane dorian
He was almost positive he was a great white shark.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus!
shane dorian
And how's this?
It was in Hawaii.
joe rogan
Really?
shane dorian
It was at my home break.
That's crazy.
Banyans in Kona on the Big Island.
joe rogan
Isn't that rare?
shane dorian
They had been seeing a great white for three weeks in that area.
A lot of like the...
A lot of like...
They have like manta ray boats and dolphin boats and like whale watching boats go out.
And I'm buddies with some of these guys and they've been seeing a great white.
They've been filming it on the surface.
This big, big like a 12 of a great white.
And this guy...
His name is Jared Williford and he's a crazy fisherman.
He catches like full-size massive blue marlin off the coast of Kona in his kayak.
He's like a dude with dreads.
He's like real stony baloney.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
How does he catch him off a kayak?
shane dorian
He catches him with his fishing pole with a kayak.
Like he's on a boat, but he just goes with his kayak.
And he'll hook up with a marlin or a big tuna, and it'll pull him miles out to sea on his kayak.
I've had multiple friends who fish for a living.
They're like, dude, I saw Jared with a marlin on his kayak.
I'm dead serious.
He's crazy.
unidentified
That's so wild.
shane dorian
So he had a run-in with a great white a couple weeks before.
He was telling guys at the beach, I had a run-in with a great white when I was on my kayak and everyone just figured he was full of shit.
There's no way.
I should pull it up on my phone.
So there's webcams at a lot of these surf breaks now.
And at my home break at Banyans, there's a webcam now.
It's a surf line webcam.
So 24 hours a day there's a camera.
And so his attack is on camera.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is it.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Video of a surfer being attacked and dragged underwater by a shark at Banyons on Hawaii's Big Island.
Wham!
Nails him right there.
He's down.
Now he's gonna pop up and swim to that guy.
shane dorian
Yeah.
So there's a video.
This is the video right here.
joe rogan
Oh, play this.
Sweet baby Jesus.
shane dorian
This is where I grew up surfing.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Where's the video?
shane dorian
There it is.
Click on that.
So this is my home break.
I've been surfing this since I was five years old.
He's underwater.
unidentified
So that was a girl next to him.
joe rogan
Whoa.
shane dorian
A girl was paddling out next to him.
Shark comes up, grabs him, takes him underwater, and he comes up and hangs onto that girl's surfboard.
His board's gone.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
shane dorian
You can see the size of the shark's huge, too.
joe rogan
You don't see it much.
shane dorian
No, you see the fin, though, come up.
joe rogan
So it grabbed the board and him, and how badly did he get bit?
shane dorian
It shredded his forearm pretty much completely.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
shane dorian
And so my wife was just, just the other day, my wife was talking to the girl who was there in that video, who was next to him.
So Shark comes up, just nails him, takes him underwater, and she's just sitting there like, holy shit, this guy's toast, he's dead, for sure.
And she was thinking she was dead too.
And all of a sudden he pops up right next to her.
And the shark's still right there.
And she said it was moving like crazy slow, like a big, slow submarine.
You know how scary that is?
And it's shallow there.
It's like four feet deep where they were.
This massive tank of a shark is in four feet of water.
joe rogan
And just sucked him under.
And it shredded his arm.
shane dorian
It didn't suck him under, dude.
It grabbed him with his freaking jaws and pulled him under.
joe rogan
And did he get his arm fixed?
shane dorian
Yeah, so he is still in the ICU. Or he's still in the hospital.
unidentified
Wow.
shane dorian
Still.
And so I haven't talked to him personally, but it shredded his arm like horribly bad.
I think he might have lost function in some of his fingers.
And anyway, this girl who was right next to him, so his board is gone and he was gushing blood like crazy, like hemorrhaging blood.
And so she was on top of her board paddling.
He swam under her board and held onto her board and she tried to paddle him to the beach.
She took off her leash, which is like, you know, your leash to your board and cord and wrapped it super tightly around his arm as a tourniquet.
And fully saved his life.
And then when he was on the way in, another guy swam out and did another tourniquet on his arm and saved his life.
But I guess he lost tons and tons of blood.
joe rogan
The guy's lucky.
shane dorian
Yeah.
Extremely lucky.
joe rogan
Unlucky and lucky at the same time.
shane dorian
Could have been so much worse.
joe rogan
Have you ever had an encounter?
shane dorian
I have.
I've had encounters.
I've seen a bunch of sharks and seen some big sharks.
joe rogan
What a wild creature, right?
Just a clean-up crew of the ocean.
shane dorian
They're terrifying.
The heavy thing is, like, if you have a run-in with a great white shark, there's a really good chance that they're not gonna eat you, right?
They chill a lot of times.
But if they're hungry, if they haven't eaten in a, I don't know, how often do great whites eat, Jamie?
joe rogan
Let's guess.
I say they have to eat once a week.
shane dorian
Yeah, I'd say four days, maybe?
Let's see.
unidentified
Dun-dun-dun.
shane dorian
Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.
jamie vernon
It pops up.
It says the amount of energy required by great white sharks was equivalent to eating a seal pup every three days.
joe rogan
Oh.
shane dorian
Yeah, so if you run into a white shark and it sees you, it's not going to eat unless it's really hungry, but if it's starving, you're toast.
That's it.
Bad luck.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, they eat shoes sometimes.
They eat all kinds of things.
shane dorian
Yeah, especially, like, by my house, there's a lot of tiger sharks, and tiger sharks are, like, they bite first, ask questions later.
Like, they'll fish out a tiger shark and cut its stomach open.
There's, like, license plates and shoes and shit, like a lot of stuff.
joe rogan
So they're more aggressive.
shane dorian
Yeah, they're more aggressive.
They'll just bite anything.
jamie vernon
According to this research, they need about 66 pounds of blubber to survive for no more than 15 days.
shane dorian
Wow.
jamie vernon
So I'm trying to do the math in my head for like two weeks.
unidentified
That's a lot.
jamie vernon
30 pounds a week.
joe rogan
So if he's really hungry, he might just eat you.
But even if he just bites you, you're probably dead.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your guy got lucky.
shane dorian
Yeah, my friend was incredibly lucky.
joe rogan
I mean, unlucky and lucky at the same time.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
So when you've had encounters, have they swam up to you?
shane dorian
Swam under me.
A bunch of times, I was like right before I was going over a wave and I would see them in the wave.
Because a lot of times, if they're underwater next to you, most likely you're not going to see them because of the glare, because of the angle.
Yeah, so that was the great white that had been in Kona, like where I live.
That's a proper great white shark right there.
And they think that's the shark that hit him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So this one shark is just rare?
shane dorian
Yeah.
Well, in Hawaii, great whites, you know, no one really, you know, like a long time ago, people didn't think that white sharks were in Hawaii because the water was too warm.
joe rogan
But why do they think that it's this shark that bit him is great white?
Why do they think that?
shane dorian
Well, because this shark was in that area for about two or three weeks beforehand, and he had a run-in with that shark.
He's seen multiple.
He's had a lot of run-ins with sharks because he fishes off a kayak.
So he's always racing the sharks with his fish to his kayak.
And he said the shark that bit him had a super pointy nose.
It was massive and had a super pointy nose, which the only other man-eating shark where we live is a tiger shark.
And they have a really blunt snout where, like, a great white has a super pointy...
It's really difficult to kind of get that confused.
joe rogan
They've been finding a lot of them off the coast of California, apparently.
shane dorian
Yeah, there's so many.
joe rogan
Yeah, more than they ever thought.
shane dorian
But California's cold and Hawaii's warm, so, you know, great white sticks out like dog's balls where I live.
joe rogan
Like, why is it there?
shane dorian
I don't know.
joe rogan
Can we blame people?
Can we blame plastic straws or something?
How many fucking masks are making their way into the ocean?
I was thinking about that the other day.
Because if plastic straws are a problem in the ocean, people are throwing those goddamn masks out everywhere.
I see masks everywhere I go.
I see them floating around.
shane dorian
It's messed up.
joe rogan
Just laying in the gutter, laying in front of garbage cans.
They're in the ocean, guaranteed.
How many masks have been tossed?
shane dorian
Millions and millions.
jamie vernon
I got a statistic for you.
You want to guess?
shane dorian
It's a messed up statistic for sure.
joe rogan
Let me guess.
I'm going to say...
Is this a statistic about the ocean in particular?
jamie vernon
How many disposable masks entered the ocean in 2020?
joe rogan
Two billion.
jamie vernon
Eh, you're a little high.
1.6 estimate.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
I thought it was way...
I was just getting crazy.
I thought you were going to say 5 million.
jamie vernon
No, I said out of 52 billion produced disposable face masks, 1.6 made it into the ocean.
joe rogan
Holy shit, that's a lot.
shane dorian
The pandemic is producing an epidemic of masks going into the oceans.
joe rogan
That's a lot of fucking masks.
shane dorian
That's fucked up.
It's really messed up.
unidentified
And I don't even know if they work.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe they stop spittle from getting into someone, but...
shane dorian
We know it.
They don't work, dude.
joe rogan
I don't think they do.
shane dorian
They don't work.
joe rogan
They work.
If you can get your fingers in the side of it and air is coming out...
You ever seen that doctor that vapes and then he puts the mask on to show you they don't work?
shane dorian
I've seen the video.
joe rogan
It's wild.
jamie vernon
Alright, here's a...
This is almost crazier.
Styrofoam cup takes 50 years to biodegrade.
How long do you think a mask takes?
joe rogan
150. 450. Oh my god!
shane dorian
It's messed up to think that.
joe rogan
Masks are like the Democrats' MAGA hat.
shane dorian
And we do it to make each other feel better.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that makes sense to me.
That you wear it because it makes people feel comfortable.
And I know it's illogical and I'm fine wearing it if it relaxes people and it makes them feel better.
But if people want to actually argue that they do something, it just doesn't make any sense, man.
It doesn't make any sense.
Like, there's a great meme.
shane dorian
Oh, memes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm such a fan of memes.
But this is a very funny one about that.
Because I just feel like it's one of those things where we accepted it early on and now we're just pretending that it's somehow or another protective.
But at the end of the day, it's really just a piece of paper over your mouth and you're breathing perfectly through it.
So how does that work?
Here, Jamie.
shane dorian
I remember some of those scientists saying that the mask really was a reminder to wash your hands, be cleaner, stay six feet apart.
It was intended to be a mental reminder that we're in a pandemic.
joe rogan
That makes kind of sense.
But the washing the hand thing is nonsense.
This is my favorite.
Tell me more about how a virus can escape from a level four bio lab but can't get past a mask with little duckies on it.
It's Gene Wilder from Willy Wonka.
Memes are the best.
shane dorian
Memes are the best.
joe rogan
It's a new form of comedy.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
It didn't exist before the internet came around.
I'm very happy with the memes.
I'm a big meme fan.
You know a lot of memes are made by like troll farms and shit like to politically engage in arguments.
shane dorian
That stuff is so fascinating to me.
I'm sure you talk about this a lot on the podcast, but how everything is politicized and there's just a lot of weird shit out there.
joe rogan
And how many of the people that are politicized and how many people that are engaging aren't even real people.
They're employees of some troll farm in Macedonia or something.
shane dorian
With a strategy.
joe rogan
There's so many times where I'll look at...
I don't post on Twitter very often.
Very, very rarely I post, but I'll read things sometimes.
And when people are arguing about stuff, sometimes I'll read someone's comment.
I'm like, that's just a crazy thing to say.
And then you look at their Twitter name.
You're like, it has a bunch of numbers at the end of it.
You're like, what is this?
And then I click on them and they were like one follower and they've been around for like six months.
And then I look and it's all politically charged things and arguing with people.
I'm like, that's probably not even a real person.
It's either a burner account or this is like some person in a troll farm.
If I knew for a fact it was someone that's working in a troll farm, I'd be fascinated.
I'd be like, look, there's one right there.
That's like a little intruder, a little faker, a little virus, a little human virus.
jamie vernon
A lot of these probably are fake.
Not fake, but created by not a human person.
unidentified
Wow.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
AI generates absurdist memes that are funnier than what most real humans create.
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
The guy runs this website that does, like, you know, harnesses memes and curates them or whatever.
I don't know if he created or if he got a hold of it, an AI program that takes 100 million public meme captions and recreates new ones based off of the top 48 templates.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
Like, here's some examples of, like, ones that were created.
joe rogan
Coronavirus, everyone else, coronavirus, what?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I mean, this is just like a popular, these are the templates, and it's just filling in the words.
And some of them stick, some of them don't.
You know, if it tries a million times a day, it'll win.
joe rogan
So it's like the million monkeys?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
shane dorian
It's fascinating that like those troll farms you're talking about, it could be like a political situation, like say it's like some like political candidates thing, you know, we need this troll farm.
It could be that or it could be like who knows some huge corporation in America.
And then it also could be like Russia or like North Korea or some crazy thing, which is super weird that they're interested in our politics.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're interested in our politics and also we're interested in our politics.
So I guarantee you that political parties hire people to create memes and to go on and argue about things and to pretend that they're lunatic right-wing people or pretend that they're lunatic left-wing people to upset the people that are on the right or the left with their crazy...
Fake posts.
And they do it just to rile people up and get people arguing.
There's just so many of them.
And it just makes sense.
It's like, remember those Nigerian scammers?
You have won a million dollars.
All you have to do is contact us and give us your bank account number so that we can deposit the money.
Then they clean out your bank account.
It's basically the same kind of deal.
They found a loophole.
They found some weird thing that can allow them to do something.
It's just, what's the motivation behind it?
That's the question.
It's like, why would they do that?
Well, if you're from Russia or from another country that's an enemy of the United States, they're basically just trying to fuck with democracy.
They're trying to lessen our confidence in how things work.
shane dorian
And undermine what's happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, undermine everything that we do.
And it's doing it.
shane dorian
It's working.
unidentified
It's great.
joe rogan
They're doing an awesome job.
Congratulations.
shane dorian
Yeah.
That strategy is working.
joe rogan
We're so vulnerable.
We're so vulnerable because we're so politically polarized.
shane dorian
Well, and if you, like, you know, in the past, if I didn't agree with what you were saying or what you believed, We would still be friends.
These days, if I don't totally agree with everything that you say and everything you post on Instagram, then you're a bad guy.
I can't be friends with you anymore.
I have friends like that that are like, because we don't have the same beliefs...
joe rogan
Yeah, those people are idiots.
shane dorian
We're not friends anymore.
joe rogan
I don't...
shane dorian
That's really messed up.
joe rogan
I won't subscribe to that.
Those people can eat shit.
shane dorian
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
I have a lot of friends that I don't agree with.
That's fine.
shane dorian
That's totally cool.
jamie vernon
I don't have to agree with you.
shane dorian
Yeah, everybody's different, man.
joe rogan
You just have to be a nice person, be a good person, and be able to articulate your interests.
I feel like.
Articulate what your opinions are on things, and we can talk.
shane dorian
And have a conversation.
And at the end, if I don't talk you into what I believe, that's fine, man.
You know what I mean?
That's got to be fine.
I feel like we have this momentum towards if we don't agree, then something's wrong.
Nothing's wrong.
joe rogan
Well, everyone's tribal.
shane dorian
We just have different beliefs.
joe rogan
This is a weird time where everyone feels like they have to have allegiance to their tribe and they have to be steadfast in their set of belief systems in order to be accepted by the tribe.
It's fucking dumb, man.
It's dumb and it's confusing and I don't see it get any better.
I don't see it getting any better in our lifetime.
I think this is just how people are gonna be from now on.
shane dorian
Do you think it's a trend that's just gonna continue getting more...
joe rogan
It's gonna get worse.
shane dorian
I feel like it's accelerating.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's accelerating.
Yeah.
It's accelerating and it applies to everything.
It applies to sexual orientation, gender, politics, the way you feel about the environment, climate change, trans kids and sports.
Everything.
Everything's politicized and everything's polarized and everybody has these It takes every box.
Yeah.
shane dorian
On your side.
joe rogan
And contradictory things, too.
This is where it gets really weird.
Like, voter ID is racist.
It's racist to require someone to have a voter ID to register to vote.
But you have to have an ID because you need to have a vaccination.
So in order to use any facilities, you need to be vaccinated.
And if you're going to be vaccinated, I need to have an ID. And you have to have a vax card.
And that's okay.
But that is like, if you want to think of what's racist and not racist, if you look at the statistics, there's a large percentage of African Americans that are not vaccinated.
And they don't want it, and they don't trust it.
And there's good reason, historically.
If you look at, like, the Tuskegee experiment.
shane dorian
The government's done a lot of fucked up shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
The African American community.
joe rogan
Especially the Tuskegee experiment.
That one's the worst.
When they had these people with syphilis and they didn't treat them.
They pretended they were treating them.
They wanted to see what happens if syphilis goes untreated.
And they did that from 1930-something to 1970-something.
And while they were doing it, in the middle of doing it, the fucking cure for syphilis came out.
So all those people could have been cured easily.
They had penicillin.
And they chose not to give it to him.
unidentified
That is so messed up.
joe rogan
And they did it willingly.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's the fucking CDC, by the way.
That's the CDC did that.
It's crazy.
shane dorian
Crazy.
That's hard to believe in this day and age, you know what I mean?
Like, looking back at that and go, that was real?
joe rogan
Bro, they did it for almost 40 years.
shane dorian
And the agenda is different now, right?
I feel like it's so...
It was funny because I almost texted you the other day to see where that...
Ghislaine?
Is that her name?
joe rogan
Yeah, Ghislaine Maxwell.
shane dorian
I was going to ask you if you knew somewhere where I could get...
Because I was fascinated with that trial.
I really wanted to get updated, unbiased news about what was happening, what was being talked about, what was not able to be talked about, and what was, and what kind of information was going to come out.
And I could not find it.
And then that Lance Rittenhouse trial, I couldn't not find it.
joe rogan
Kyle Rittenhouse.
shane dorian
Yeah, Kyle Rittenhouse.
I couldn't look at anything without that coming up.
It was insane.
It was like...
joe rogan
That was everywhere.
shane dorian
Yeah, the Rittenhouse trial had the best marketing team in history.
Seriously.
joe rogan
Well, the Rittenhouse trial was public, right?
So you could see his testimony.
shane dorian
But it was public for a reason.
joe rogan
Well, it was not a federal case.
See, this is a federal case.
And the difference is, in these federal cases, they don't allow cameras into the courtrooms.
shane dorian
Gotcha.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure.
Make sure that's correct.
shane dorian
But it sure felt like the real reason.
joe rogan
Is that correct, do you think?
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure I would make sure.
joe rogan
I think that's correct.
shane dorian
I feel like the reason was because we were all supposed to get crazy angry about it and fight about it, you know?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
There's a little bit of that.
And it's a spectacle.
And I think they wanted to put it on parade.
And I think they had entirely too much faith in their prosecutors.
Their prosecutors who turned out to be, you know, not very good.
shane dorian
But the amount of misinformation with that trial was insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah, here it is.
Electronic media coverage of criminal proceedings in federal courts has been expressly prohibited under the federal rule of Criminal Procedure 53 since the criminal rules were adopted in 1946. So for all those years, there have been no cameras allowed in federal court.
shane dorian
So even if there's no cameras allowed, how much information is allowed to get out with the press in a federal case?
joe rogan
Well, that's a good question because they banned that Maxwell trial tracker from Twitter.
shane dorian
I saw that.
joe rogan
Is there a reason for that?
Yeah.
shane dorian
And Jack Dorsey stepped down the day that the trial started.
joe rogan
That's coincidental.
He was planning on stepping down for a while.
shane dorian
As far as you know.
joe rogan
I'm friends with that.
I'm joking.
shane dorian
I'm starting a conspiracy.
joe rogan
He was looking to get out a while ago.
He's happy to get out.
He wants to do other things.
shane dorian
But on the day that that...
You know, I'm just saying it's kind of trippy.
It's kind of trippy.
joe rogan
Maybe they started dropping the hammer after he left because he was probably the last firewall for free speech on Twitter.
Because he's a staunch advocate of free speech.
He really is.
And he's, I mean, it's hard to believe because you're like, oh my God, what are you saying?
You fucking shill.
Twitter is full of censorship.
Yes, it is.
But Twitter's not just Jack Dorsey.
Jack Dorsey actually advocated for two versions of Twitter.
One version of Twitter, his proposal was one version of Twitter would be censored and moderated the way you see it currently.
Another would be the Wild West.
It would be anything goes, anybody can post, enter at your own risk.
I think that would have been a fantastic idea.
You know, as long as people don't dox people or threaten people's lives and that kind of shit.
shane dorian
You can't say anything anymore without getting deplatformed.
joe rogan
It's very hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very hard.
shane dorian
It's crazy.
joe rogan
People are getting banned and they're getting videos taken down for fucking nothing.
Yeah, for nothing.
So what is the reason why the trial tracker was taken down?
jamie vernon
So, as I say this, I'll add a caveat.
This is the reason that was explained.
It doesn't mean that it's accurate, legit, or good reason, but they said that this account was being used in manipulating practices and spam ways.
It was used previously for other purposes on Twitter.
And they changed the name to like Maxwell Trial Account when this was happening.
So it was used in the past for like stock tips or something like that.
And they have other accounts there.
This person or whoever was controlling it was also linking back off of Twitter's website to a sub stack, which according to Twitter's rules is like they don't want that to happen.
They want to keep people on Twitter.
So they use those, you know, those things that's happening as a way to get it off.
joe rogan
Haven't people always done that?
Because I know Alex Berenson.
jamie vernon
Correct.
I don't think that that's a valid reason, but that's the reason I believe that they said.
So I've just looked now for an update.
Whoever was running it claims on their sub stack they weren't doing that, and they have tried to get an appeal, and I don't think they've gotten a response.
joe rogan
They could easily just be saying that someone used it for other reasons.
And here's the other thing, maybe you did use it for other reasons because that's why you set the Twitter account up, but then you had it, and then you decided, well, this is a valid reason to use my account, so I'm just going to repurpose my account that way.
Why is that wrong?
jamie vernon
Again, I don't know, but that's just what they said.
And what I'm looking up now is someone that runs another blog that was looking into this has reached out for a comment.
They haven't gotten a comment back.
shane dorian
Regardless, though, that Maxwell trial is fascinating.
joe rogan
It is fascinating.
shane dorian
Hundreds of millions, if not billions of people, are interested in the outcome and what's happening, the details of that trial.
joe rogan
And if someone could release data from that trial that was accurate...
Who gives a shit if they're repersonating?
jamie vernon
I'll add into that, though.
Someone I follow on Twitter got into, like, you can go there.
You can go to it.
It just can't be, you can't live tweet it, but you could go watch it if you want to go to New York and sit in there.
It's open, I believe.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
So, I mean, it's just like the Supreme Court.
You can go sit in the Supreme Court and watch.
You just can't live tweet it.
shane dorian
But in order to find out details about the trial, you have to follow some obscure writer on Substack.
You know what I mean?
Instead of just being able to check it out online real quick and get all the details right away, like you could with that Rittenhouse trial or something like that.
joe rogan
Dude, the whole thing is so wild.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
Alex Jones told me about this more than a decade ago.
More than a decade ago, and I thought he was crazy.
I'm pretty sure he told me about this before Epstein was even arrested the first time.
shane dorian
What'd he tell you about?
Like actual...
joe rogan
I didn't remember at the time that he told me until after he got arrested, and then I was reading that there was a campaign...
shane dorian
Wait, he told you about Epstein years before it happened?
joe rogan
Yes.
shane dorian
And the whole...
joe rogan
Before he got arrested.
shane dorian
The whole scene?
joe rogan
Yes.
It was well known that they would take...
He might not have even said Epstein by name, but he basically said that...
I forget who he was saying was doing it, but this is what he said.
What they do is they compromise these very powerful and wealthy politicians by they make friends with them, they get him in tight, and then they're friends with all these other famous people, right?
So they bring them to this party.
So if you're a guy like Epstein, like one of the things you notice about Epstein If you pay attention to like all the contacts that he had there was a lot of famous people a Lot of famous people flew with him and they would fly to do these charitable events and they would fly to like Bill Gates flew with them Bill Clinton flew with them all these people so if you were a celebrity and you got a chance to go hang out with some famous scientists and And some famous politicians.
And it's a dinner.
It's a dinner party.
You're invited.
And you're like, oh my god, this is amazing.
You go to this dinner party and he says, I would like to invite you to my island.
I have an island.
Was it in the Caribbean?
Is that where it was?
I have an island in the Caribbean and you can come down and we have this amazing place you can stay.
shane dorian
We'll fly you out.
joe rogan
And you talk to these guys who your friends are like, oh my god, you got to go.
It's the best time.
The food's amazing.
All these beautiful women are there.
You're like, wow, sounds great.
And if you're this fucking nerdy scientist guy or some celebrity that thinks, whoa, this is going to be awesome.
So he gets these people to do this, fly them to this island, make them feel like there's no rules.
Everything's fine here.
It's wild.
And meanwhile, they're filming these people.
And so they compromise them.
And they bring these girls that are maybe underage or close to it or they maybe look like they're not underage but they are.
And they would film them having sex with these people.
And so they always have this data and always have dirt on them.
And the thing that always freaked me out was the painting.
Epstein had a fucking painting of Bill Clinton in the foyer of his house.
It's Bill Clinton in a dress.
Bill Clinton with a blue dress on, pointing...
Have you seen it?
shane dorian
No!
joe rogan
Oh my god, you have to see this.
shane dorian
Jamie.
joe rogan
It's the wildest shit ever.
We want to get a copy of this?
I don't think the...
We might have to do it illegally.
I don't think the...
Was that like the artist does not want anybody making copies of that or something like that?
shane dorian
You should buy the NFT. I don't know about that.
joe rogan
Is it?
shane dorian
When's the NFT going to drop?
joe rogan
But look at this painting because it's so fucking ridiculous.
And this was, remember, this is in the foyer of his house.
Painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress hung in Jeffrey Epstein's home.
So when you went over Jeffrey Epstein's house in Manhattan.
shane dorian
Wow.
jamie vernon
Did you ever see that one was in there too?
joe rogan
He had that one in there too?
That's to make it look like George W. is a dumbass, but at least he didn't have him.
jamie vernon
There's two planes knocking over the bricks.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Oh, like the towers?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
jamie vernon
Wink, wink.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
But the Clinton one, he's basically saying, you're my bitch.
I got you, bro.
Because Clinton, according to these transcripts, the flight logs, flew with him 26 times.
Yeah.
And I'm like, dude, I haven't flown my mom 26 times in my whole life.
And I love my mom.
shane dorian
Well, and you could fly once, right?
Not know about the island and really like the details.
You could just be going for the, like the ribeyes and the, and like, you know, like bronzing by the pool.
You could, it could be not, you know, nothing like evil and creepy about it at all.
But 26 times, it's really difficult to keep those secrets for a long, long time.
joe rogan
What is that one in the trial?
It says Bill Clinton painting in Jeffrey Lower Middle Fox News bottom.
Yeah.
What is that?
jamie vernon
This is when he was still on trial.
joe rogan
It says, Holmes, it's a surprise to woman who painted President wearing blue dress.
jamie vernon
He bought it from an artist.
I remember reading about this.
That was a New York art student.
And someone else had already paid for it.
And Epstein came in as a donor to the school.
And they're like, no, you're going to sell this to him.
She didn't have a choice.
joe rogan
Oh, and he put it up in his house to say, you're my bitch.
shane dorian
Wow, that's fascinating.
joe rogan
Imagine if I go over to your house.
We're friends.
I go over to your house like, Shane, you got a beautiful...
Hey man, why the fuck do you have a painting of me in a dress?
shane dorian
Don't give me any ideas, bro.
I know, some good artists.
joe rogan
I would think it's funny.
But, I mean, if you had been inviting me to your island to fuck underage girls, and then I saw a painting in your house of me in a dress, I would be a little upset.
I'd be like, hey, what the fuck, bro?
shane dorian
That type of mindset's a little above my...
I'm just way too...
I don't know what that...
He was an evil freak, huh, dude?
joe rogan
What is this, James?
jamie vernon
This is about the art in his house.
joe rogan
He had a picture of himself behind barbed wire and between a guard station and a corrections officer.
It was described as one of the few people to ever see it, a specialist in public relations.
Yeah, but that's according to Business Insider.
You know, Business Insider is a bit New York Post-y in that...
New York Post is not saying that they're not accurate, because they are, but they're sensational.
And when someone says, according to Business Insider, like, somebody could have said that this is what they saw and it wasn't totally accurate.
Like, if you don't have a photo of it...
jamie vernon
That's what I was trying to look at.
I thought there was going to be more photos in this, but they're...
joe rogan
I'm sure he had some creepy art.
The crazy thing is he had that fucking building that a guy gave him.
A guy gave him this, like, $70 million house in Manhattan.
This gorgeous house.
Like, all these people gave him giant sums of money.
Like, there's a bunch of CEOs that had to retire, because it turns out they were giving him, like, $150 million.
It's like, why did you give him that much money?
Because he had you by the balls.
shane dorian
Yeah, he had to, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they had to.
He probably said, listen...
You're worth $18 billion.
What do you give a fuck if you give me $150 million?
shane dorian
Let me show you this little video that I have on my phone.
If you want your problems.
joe rogan
A 14-year-old girl.
Heavy.
Heavy.
Well, this is shit that Alex Jones was telling me about a decade ago.
shane dorian
And this is shit that we're talking about, but I feel like this needs to be covered.
It's too fascinating with what's happening right now to have people not be able to learn about it.
joe rogan
They're keeping this trial as low-key as possible for a giant trafficking trial.
It's a sex trafficking trial.
And they're keeping it as low-profile as is humanly possible.
shane dorian
Well, and Maxwell's the fall guy.
She's the fall guy for everybody, by the looks of it.
And if she's not, it would be way better to be way more transparent.
joe rogan
It seems like she was heavily involved.
It seems like she was recruiting girls.
I don't think it was as simple as she's a fall guy.
shane dorian
No, I'm not saying that.
For sure she is, but I think there's way more people involved that are not being brought into it.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, maybe.
Well, also the question is, who is she?
What is she?
Is she intelligence?
Is she from a foreign country?
Is she Mossad?
That was the thing about Epstein.
Is he in the Mossad?
What is this?
Are they compromising people for a specific purpose?
What's their overall plan?
shane dorian
Right.
Was it all strategic in some way?
joe rogan
The people that think that he didn't get murdered are the confusing ones to me.
I had Steven Pinker in here, and he was trying to tell me that he thought that Epstein killed himself.
I go, what?
And Pinker had been photographed with him.
shane dorian
Wait, he thought he had killed himself?
joe rogan
He thought he killed himself.
And I'm like, no, someone killed that guy.
And he's like, oh, I think he killed himself.
shane dorian
Didn't he hang himself off a four-foot wall?
joe rogan
Whatever he did, the injuries to his neck were not consistent with someone who has been hung.
They were consistent with someone who is strangled because there was fractures in the neck bones that are consistent with strangulation.
Somebody who wraps a fucking rope around your neck and chokes you to death versus someone who's like hanging.
Because when you're hanging, All the weight, apparently, according to this guy, Dr. Michael Badden, who's that famous autopsy guy who was on that autopsy show on HBO, he broke it down.
Let's see if we can find where he breaks it down.
But there's a fracture in one of the neck bones in Jeffrey Epstein that is inconsistent with hanging, but very consistent with strangulation.
So it's very common in people that have been, like, ligatures, where they fucking wrap a wire around your neck or a rope and just choke you to death.
And also...
The ligature marks were down on the lower part of the neck, which is what happens when someone chokes you.
Whereas if it was up here, that's what happens when you're hanging.
Because when you're hanging, it gets stuck by your jaw and it gets tight there and that's what gets you.
shane dorian
Well, and Epstein was in a category where it was a real risk that he would commit suicide, right?
Just because of the situation.
And a lot of times with people like him, I think that they have him in like a maximum security, like by themselves in a room that makes it really difficult to kill yourself, right?
Everything is wrong.
Everything is wrong.
And there's a camera that wasn't on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You see, Michael Baden, Epstein evidence points to homicide.
Play it so we can hear what he says.
unidentified
The brother's been asking that from day one.
joe rogan
I like how that's music.
Is that that music or is it music from something else?
Can you go to the beginning?
Because in the beginning, I think, is where he explains that the Epstein family needed help.
unidentified
Well, I was asked by the brother, the next of kin, to be at the autopsy.
And at the autopsy, on day one, there were findings that were unusual for suicidal hanging and more consistent with ligature homicidal...
joe rogan
This is what I wanted.
unidentified
...which included...
And it was suggested at the time that he committed suicide by doing what?
At the time he was found allegedly hanging by a homemade ligature of sheets.
Are you saying you don't think it was suicide?
I think that the evidence points toward homicide rather than suicide.
Why?
Because there are multiple three fractures in the hyoid bone and the thyroid cartilage that are very unusual for suicide and more indicative of strangulation, homicidal strangulation.
Let's take a look at what the medical examiner stated.
joe rogan
That's all it was.
shane dorian
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So when I had Pinker on, Pinker was one of those guys that got sucked into that.
So he was photographed with Epstein and he was very sorry that he got mixed up with that, but like a lot of scientists, The guy donated money to science and he enjoyed scientists and they thought probably was a cool thing to do, to go hang out and party.
But he was like, oh, I think he killed himself.
I'm like, I don't fucking think he killed himself.
And that was one of the things that I was pointing to, was Baden pointing out that it was more consistent with strangulation than it was hanging.
shane dorian
If you look at all the factors that had to happen for there to be a question mark on his death...
There's no way you can be like someone who's thinking clearly and think that he killed himself.
joe rogan
He's one of the most important witnesses ever.
The most important defendant ever in a case that involves dozens of extremely powerful and extremely wealthy people that may have participated in sex crimes.
And there's no guards, and the cameras don't work, and he's hung, but the hanging doesn't match the evidence, which points to strangulation rather than hanging.
It's so fucking fishy.
shane dorian
Since when do prison guards...
In a situation like that, just happen to just be like both taking a nap.
Hey, let's both sleep right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
Let's do this.
joe rogan
Fuck out of here.
shane dorian
Those prison guards are either suicided by now or they're driving Lambos and living in like Beverly Hills and like monstrous mansions.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder what they do with those people.
shane dorian
Oh, they're toast.
joe rogan
But if you did want to kill the guards because the guards knew too much, how would you get away with that?
shane dorian
Well, and I feel like it's like a murder pyramid scheme.
unidentified
The more people you kill, the more people you have to kill.
Right?
Because those people tell people, yeah, it's fucked.
shane dorian
That's why.
joe rogan
Epstein guards to skirt jail time and deal with prosecutors.
Oh, how convenient.
They're fine.
shane dorian
Don't ask any questions.
It's all misinformation.
jamie vernon
They admitted to falsifying records, but will not go to jail for that.
joe rogan
Oh, they falsified records?
What did they say?
That was not correct.
jamie vernon
Willfully and knowingly lied on form stating that they made required rounds checking on inmates the night of Epstein's suicide.
joe rogan
Wow.
The guards were sleeping and surfing the web when they should have been monitoring the maximum security federal prisoner.
Hmm.
Maybe.
Maybe they were.
Either way, someone got in that fucking cell and likely strangled the shit out of them.
shane dorian
That's like one of the most interesting trials and situations of our lifetime.
And probably one of the most important.
And it's just crazy that nobody's...
I don't know.
It's just weird to me that we can't figure out the details.
joe rogan
They're not trying.
shane dorian
They're not trying.
They're actively trying to not let us find out anything about it.
joe rogan
It's so transparent now how the news has been manipulated, as opposed to, you know, when we were younger, we used to think, oh, this is the news.
But now, because of the internet, because of the amount of access that we have to all these different sources of information where, you know, you can read these stories about that, you can see Michael Badden talking about this, and there's so much available on the internet, you can get a much better sense of how much you're getting lied to.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's not good.
It's a lot.
shane dorian
If you actually want the real news, it actually kind of takes a lot of effort because there's so much bullshit out there to cut through.
And if you're getting your information very easily, it's probably all wrong.
joe rogan
Do you feel connected completely to America while you're living in Hawaii?
Because let's be honest, Hawaii is amazing, I love it, but it's really not America.
It's awesome, but it's five hours by plane in the middle of the ocean.
Should it be protected by America?
100%.
Should it be protected by the Constitution?
100%.
But let's be honest.
It's an island, and it's its own thing.
shane dorian
That's an interesting question, and I agree.
It's different for me because I was born in Hawaii.
So I just, I don't know.
I just know it as home and, you know, there's a lot of people in Hawaii who don't feel like it's part of America and kind of wish it wasn't, obviously.
It's nice to have the protection of America.
joe rogan
There's like quite a separatist movement right there, right?
Yeah.
shane dorian
But I feel like Hawaii is almost like its own country.
joe rogan
I think so.
shane dorian
Similar to Texas, even though you don't, there's no ocean separating Texas and I feel like Texas is its own country.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, at one point in time, it was.
shane dorian
It has its complete own culture, you know, and its own, like, you know, everything about it is, I don't know.
I feel like once you get to Texas, everything's totally different.
The people, the culture.
And Hawaii is much like that.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, it really is.
shane dorian
I mean, these days, it's harder to get into a restaurant in Honolulu than it is...
I flew back from Mexico, back to the States recently, and it was easier for me to get back into the country from Mexico than it was to go to dinner with my wife in Honolulu.
Really?
Yeah.
Got to show your vaccine passport and all that stuff to get into restaurants in Honolulu.
joe rogan
I wonder how long that's going to last.
That's the question.
It's like if the pandemic slowly dissipates and COVID is not a thing anymore, how much freedom can we really gain back and how much will they try to continue to find new ways?
people to bend their will to get them to do this fill out that have some sort of a passport system where you have to show that you've been up on all your vaccinations did you get your flu shot did you do like they're not going to just let everything go back to where it was in 2018 isn't that funny how they tell us that there is though This is like a temporary situation.
shane dorian
It's going to be two weeks to flatten the curve.
We've been told all of it.
And it's crazy because, I mean, there's a famous saying that's, how does it go?
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.
Yeah.
It's kind of true.
It feels like that.
In this point in time, in America, it feels like that.
It feels like all these temporary things, these things that are just for the next two weeks, or the next month, or until this happens, or that happens.
I just, I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you remember when there was no breakthrough cases?
They were saying it's extremely rare, extremely rare for someone to catch COVID after they've been vaccinated.
shane dorian
This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
joe rogan
Yes, it is.
And now it's completely flipped on its head.
I know someone who's been boosted and they just got COVID. Boosted?
shane dorian
Have you been boosted?
joe rogan
Double vaccinated and boosted and boosted just a few months ago, caught COVID. Sick as shit.
You know, it's like, what the fuck, man?
Like, and then the narrative changed for, it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, but it does make it much less like if you'd be hospitalized or die.
Like, oh, okay.
And then that became the narrative.
Like, that's not what the narrative was.
The narrative was, get vaccinated, you don't get COVID. And then it changed.
I'm wondering what it would take to go back to normal.
Like imagine, if something came along, like a pill or something, it's all gone.
There's no more COVID. Or it's a non-issue.
Would they let everything go back to the way it was?
I don't think so.
I definitely don't think they will in Australia.
I think Australia's fucked forever.
I think they're fucked forever.
The way they're treating their people and the way they're responding, the way, you know, all the madness of the lockdowns and what they're apparently doing to indigenous people where they're taking these folks and when they find out people have had contact or when they think that they have COVID, They're shipping them off to camps hundreds of kilometers away.
shane dorian
They're building those large COVID camps and arresting people, taking them away from their families, putting them in the camps.
It's messed up.
The people are under total control there.
I have a lot of good friends.
As you can imagine, I go to Australia a lot and I love the country and I have so many good friends there.
They're just baffled.
joe rogan
It's baffling because it's unrecognizable.
The country and the government is unrecognizable to what it was two years ago.
I have quite a few friends that live in Australia that are moving.
One of my buddies has moved to New Zealand.
He's like, I got to get the fuck out of here.
And that's like the easiest way for me to get out is go to New Zealand.
shane dorian
Yeah.
I have a lot of friends who moved to America from Australia because they're just too heavy what's happening in Australia.
And if you fly there as a resident, you fly back there, you're not leaving for a very long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have a two week quarantine, right?
shane dorian
And you can't get out of there.
joe rogan
And then there's this Omicron shit.
They're saying, oh, you need a booster, you need a booster.
You know what they found out about Omicron?
There's been virtually no deaths.
They might have attributed one death to Omicron.
All the people that got it, all the hysteria.
The cases are all mild.
They're all mild.
One person they attributed who died from it, and I want to know what was wrong with that person.
I want to know when they say one death attributed to it.
Say what they looked like.
Tell me how much they weighed.
How old were they?
What other comorbidities did they have?
This seems like fuckery.
You're telling people to get another shot for something that doesn't even...
It's not worse than a cold?
shane dorian
When you watch the news, Omicron is like the evil, just crazy...
It's terrifying, right?
If you watch the news and sit there, it's just, oh my god, we're screwed.
It's an Omicron thing.
It's taking over the world.
There's hundreds of millions of cases and all this stuff.
And you're never once told that...
It's way less deadly.
All you're told is it's way more...
joe rogan
Contagious.
shane dorian
Contagious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
It's crazy.
And we talked about this earlier this morning.
We're hanging.
But think of all the...
Like in my friend group, I know so many people that have been vaccinated.
And I'm friends with a lot of people that know that the best thing you can do...
To not die if you get COVID is to not be fat, not have diabetes.
There's certain things you control with lifestyle choices that can make you a whole lot healthier and a lot stronger against COVID. And I know a lot of people who are overweight, they haven't lost a single pound.
All they did is get vaccinated thinking they're completely healthy and healthy.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, if people pay attention to it, pull up that thing that shows what's wrong with obese people when it comes to COVID and antibodies.
There's actually a condition that happens with obese people and COVID where their body does not process or produce antibodies correctly.
I forget exactly what the term of it is.
We'll pull it up real quick and we'll find out.
shane dorian
I watch the news all the time and they never say, hey, by the way, It's extremely important that you lose weight.
America, let's get healthier.
What are you doing to...
Let's all make better lifestyle choices.
Let's get healthier.
joe rogan
That's not what the news's job is.
The news's job is to scare the fuck out of you so you keep tuning in.
The news's job is not to give you good advice so that you have a better, more prosperous and healthy life.
Do you find the thing on the...
shane dorian
Well, it also doesn't help that the news is subsidized and financed by the companies that are making these things.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is it.
Obesity increases likelihood of peak COVID-19 antibody levels after...
What?
What is this?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
When is this?
Oh, this is May of 2021. So that's saying they have more antibodies?
jamie vernon
Right, that's what I was trying...
joe rogan
That's not true.
The newest stuff that they found...
Obesity, COVID, antibodies...
What is that one right there?
The majority of SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies.
Click on that.
Is that it?
Scroll up.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of information in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think this is it.
The majority of SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies in COVID-19 patients with obesity are autoimmune and not neutralizing.
This is it.
So what it says is obesity decreases the secretion of SARS-CoV-2 specific antibodies in the blood of patients.
How obesity impacts the quality of the antibody secreted, however, is not understood.
Therefore, the objective of the study is to evaluate the presence of neutralizing versus autoimmune antibodies in COVID-19 patients with obesity.
So essentially what they're saying is one of the papers that I was reading about this was that...
People that are obese, their body just does not produce what's necessary to fight it off.
That's why all these folks that are hospitalized, at one point in time it was like 78% of the people in the ICU were obese.
jamie vernon
I thought this is what you were going to go after.
joe rogan
This is another one.
This is a new one.
The coronavirus attacks fat tissue, scientists find.
So this is another compounding issue.
So the research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at a higher risk of severe illness and death from COVID. So the coronavirus loves fatties.
That's what it's saying.
It's just two different things, but both of them compounding to say that it's just terrible to be overweight and to have COVID. And yet, no one's telling you that.
shane dorian
I feel like that information is extremely important, especially in America where we have such an obesity problem.
Half of our country in a lot of states is obese.
joe rogan
No one wants a fat shame.
They're scared.
shane dorian
Yeah, that's fucked up, though, because I feel like it's so important.
I mean, it's crazy that you can tell all these people that all you need is a vaccination and you're good to go.
But these people are, you know...
joe rogan
Most people eat like shit.
That's what the problem is.
It's too easy to eat like shit.
Like today, we were driving, remember we passed by McDonald's, like, man, it draws you in, you feel like it, maybe we should just go to McDonald's.
Slip in there and get a nice filet of fish and order a fries and a large Coke.
Ah, it'll be delicious.
shane dorian
Imagine when that fish was caught.
joe rogan
Years ago.
If it's even a fish.
It could be anything.
It could be a rat.
But the problem is that's where most people eat.
What's the percentage?
Okay, let's Google this.
What percentage of people's meals are from fast food?
The average American.
What percentage of their meals are fast food?
unidentified
I'm going to say 40. When's the last time you ate a McDonald's?
joe rogan
About a year ago, I think.
shane dorian
What'd you have?
joe rogan
Filet-O-Fish.
I love those.
They're delicious.
I think it was a podcast I did with Tim Dillon and Alex Jones.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the election one.
joe rogan
Yeah, during the election.
jamie vernon
That was a year ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, we ate a bunch of Filet-O-Fishes.
shane dorian
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
They were delicious.
Oh, that was Kyle Kalinske.
shane dorian
That was my go-to when I was a kid.
Filet-O-Fish whenever I would go to McDonald's, which wasn't super often, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, Filet-O-Fish is delicious.
It's straight garbage.
shane dorian
It's gnarly.
jamie vernon
So gnarly.
joe rogan
But let's take a guess.
What percentage of Americans, like the average American, what percentage of their meals comes from fast food?
shane dorian
20%.
joe rogan
I say 40%.
Jamie, what do you say?
jamie vernon
Well, I'm already looking at it.
joe rogan
But just take a guess.
jamie vernon
I can't.
joe rogan
Okay, you're cheating.
jamie vernon
I'm staring at the information.
joe rogan
If you weren't going to cheat, what would you say?
I don't know.
Okay, tell me what it is.
shane dorian
Jamie's like, what?
joe rogan
I'm like, what do you want me to just make up a lie?
He's honest.
shane dorian
It's a test.
joe rogan
You're an honest manager.
jamie vernon
I guess 37%.
Guess what?
It turns out 37% of Americans eat fast food every day.
shane dorian
Wow, yeah.
You were close, Joe.
joe rogan
That's pretty good.
shane dorian
That's way higher than I thought.
It's so crazy.
It's straight poison people are putting in their bodies.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
shane dorian
That's so messed up.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
shane dorian
I won't let my kids eat McDonald's.
joe rogan
It's a lot of meals, man.
It's a lot of meals.
shane dorian
I'm not only picking out McDonald's, but none of that shit.
joe rogan
We'll eat it occasionally for a goof, you know, like if maybe we're on a road trip or something like that and everyone's starving and we're like, pull in, daddy, pull in.
Like, okay, we'll pull in.
You know what I do like?
Popeyes fried chicken.
Oh my God, I love Popeyes.
shane dorian
I feel like that's still chicken and it's still normal.
It's just frozen, like, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, I guess.
shane dorian
It's gnarly though.
joe rogan
There was some...
Gnarly is a funny word.
There's some parts of it.
shane dorian
Some food is gnarly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Gnarly.
joe rogan
It's deep fried in some funky oil, for sure.
It's not healthy for me.
shane dorian
Wingstop's pretty good.
joe rogan
Is it?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
I will go Wingstop from time to time.
joe rogan
Popeye's red beans and rice, though, is pretty fucking good.
shane dorian
I was traveling with my kid and a couple of his buddies during COVID and it was like we had to be responsible and be locked down in our own little zone and we were doing a surf trip and we did a lot of DoorDash and we did some Wingstop.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Good stuff?
shane dorian
Yeah.
Lemon pepper 10 peas.
joe rogan
I think people's ability to get food that easy was a giant mistake.
And I think if you think about the obesity problem in this country, all right, let's guess this.
I kind of used to know the answer, but I forgot it.
I think it's more than 50% of Americans are obese.
shane dorian
That's crazy.
joe rogan
I think it's something like that.
shane dorian
Did you get fat at all during COVID? No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
I mean, I got maybe five pounds overweight at the most.
shane dorian
A lot of people got fat during COVID though, right?
joe rogan
Because- I have a gym.
shane dorian
A lot of people don't have home gyms.
joe rogan
Yeah, home gym is giant.
But also I'm like so accustomed to working out, whether it's running hills or- Keeps you sane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane dorian
Makes you a better person.
joe rogan
I have to work out.
shane dorian
How much of a dick are you if you don't exercise?
joe rogan
Well, I'm anxious, and I don't feel good, and I'm stressed, and even if I'm not a dick, I just don't feel good.
I feel like shit.
And when I work out, I feel so light and relaxed, you know?
I just feel so good.
But let's guess, what percentage...
I used to know the number, but I want to say it's more than 50% of Americans are obese.
jamie vernon
Make a delineation between obese and overweight, because there's two different numbers that I got for you.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, according to Body Mass Index, I'm obese.
shane dorian
Yeah, that's a weird thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, because I'm short, but I weigh 200 pounds.
So I'm supposed to be like 160 or something like that.
Isn't that weird?
shane dorian
It's such a bad way to measure somebody's health.
joe rogan
So stupid.
shane dorian
And that's like an important metric for like health insurance and all that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so dumb.
jamie vernon
Adults over the age of 20, 40% are obese.
Wow!
71.6% are at least overweight and obese.
joe rogan
71% are overweight.
Wow!
So essentially almost three-quarters of America is overweight.
shane dorian
That's just genetics, man.
You can't do anything about it.
unidentified
It's a disease.
joe rogan
It's like, it's not your fault.
Yeah, man.
shane dorian
It's not your fault, man.
joe rogan
It's not your fault.
shane dorian
It has nothing to do with you.
joe rogan
Hey, dude, if that many people are overweight, maybe it's just natural.
Yeah.
shane dorian
We are not meant to be obese.
Human beings were not meant to be obese.
We weren't.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a photo of the beach from like 1940?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Before processed food?
It's wild.
shane dorian
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
It's wild.
shane dorian
And before convenience and laziness, dude.
joe rogan
Everybody was so thin.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it was hard to get food back then.
shane dorian
Yeah.
It wasn't so convenient.
There was no DoorDash.
joe rogan
And I mean, when was McDonald's even invented?
I bet the first McDonald's burgers were fucking great.
Because I bet it was just a cheeseburger.
shane dorian
Probably really good, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably just fried a nice cheeseburger.
It was probably like In-N-Out.
shane dorian
In-N-Out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Right?
Well, see if you can find a beach photo from 1940. I'm looking for a good one.
Bro, it's wild.
Everyone's thin.
They're all thin.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one has a gut.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's fucking food, man.
It's food.
But you know how you can really tell it's food when you go to European countries?
You're like, hey, you guys are eating pasta every day.
Why do you weigh 150 pounds?
shane dorian
This hyper-convenience?
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's a great one.
That's a perfect example.
shane dorian
That's insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
Look at all these fucking people on the beach.
shane dorian
There's one overweight guy here on the right.
That's like the fattest guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but barely.
That guy would be fit.
He'd be like, Tom, you're looking great.
shane dorian
He'd be ripped these days.
joe rogan
Bert Kreisch would kill to have that body.
shane dorian
That's crazy.
Now, imagine recreating that now.
It's just like a general sample of the population.
joe rogan
Oh my God, everybody would be so fat.
Look, everyone's kind of ripped.
Look, all these guys have abs.
shane dorian
Let's go back to 1940. Imagine how stoked the ladies were back then.
They were just like, look at all these ripped dudes.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the ladies never worked out.
So they were hot for about five years.
And then it was a wrap.
shane dorian
Now they're hot forever.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Yeah, you can see a 50-year-old lady at the gym who's hot as fuck.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did not want to let it go.
They're there every morning with their fucking water bottle.
unidentified
Disciplined.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
My wife this morning, dude, I was hungover and tired and went to sleep at like 1.30 last night.
And the alarm went off at like 6.30 and she was like, bing, out of bed.
We gotta go to the gym.
It'll make us feel better.
unidentified
Wow.
shane dorian
Yeah.
I was like, you're kidding me, girl.
joe rogan
Your wife's a go for it.
shane dorian
Yeah, she is.
joe rogan
You got a good one.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at these ladies with their hats, too.
They all have those goofy hats.
Sun hats and shit.
shane dorian
Yeah, there was very little convenience at this point in America, right?
I feel like our...
I swear that's one of my biggest concerns these days is the hyper-convenience.
And I'm super guilty of it as well.
All this shit.
Our phones and being able to order anything we want and do everything from our phone and have everything delivered.
joe rogan
Get that photo of those girls at the beach right there.
That's what a woman's supposed to look like when they don't work out.
shane dorian
Wow, you're going to cop a lot of shit for this, Joe.
joe rogan
No, if a woman doesn't work out, like back then, how am I copping shit for that?
That's what they looked like.
shane dorian
Well, you're telling women what they're supposed to look like, right?
joe rogan
Well, before they had processed food, before they didn't work, it's not ideal.
shane dorian
I 100% agree.
joe rogan
But if you go back, it's not, go back to that photo.
shane dorian
Where was all the bad genetics back then, Joe?
joe rogan
It's the food, bro.
shane dorian
Yeah.
It's the choices.
It's the laziness in the food.
joe rogan
Also, those are models.
jamie vernon
I was going to say, they wouldn't waste photos on people back then.
joe rogan
I mean, those are very shapely young ladies.
I mean, they don't have bad genetics at all.
But I mean, the point is that...
unidentified
They had to look good, though, because all the dudes were ripped.
joe rogan
All the guys had to work for a living, right?
They had to carry logs and shit.
But those women were not built.
If you find women today at a gym, the body shape is so different than the bodies from the 1940s.
You go to a gym, especially a CrossFit gym, you see girls with abs, fucking shoulder muscles are toned, they've got big fucking asses.
Look at those guys, they're jacked.
Look at those guys.
All fit?
They're probably swimming for miles.
No one's fat.
It's crazy.
I guarantee you it's the food.
shane dorian
100% it was the food.
joe rogan
Because if you just ate salads and meat, salads and fish, there's no way you'd get fat.
You'd have to eat so much.
One of the things that I found, I did that carnivore diet, and I'm going to do it again in January.
January's World Carnivore Month.
And what I do is, for the entire month, I eat nothing but meat.
shane dorian
What do you mean nothing but meat?
Be specific.
unidentified
That's all.
joe rogan
Nothing but meat.
unidentified
Are you serious?
joe rogan
That's it.
Yeah.
You never heard of that?
shane dorian
I just figured like the carnivore diet meant like a lot of meat.
joe rogan
No, it means only meat.
shane dorian
For a month, 30 days.
joe rogan
Yep.
shane dorian
Only meat.
joe rogan
Only meat.
I ate mostly ribeye steaks and I ate elk meat with bacon because you need some fats because your body essentially goes into ketosis.
shane dorian
Because through all the meat you don't get enough fat?
joe rogan
No, you need fats.
shane dorian
That's kind of crazy, right?
You would think there'd be plenty of fat.
joe rogan
No, not in game, mate.
jamie vernon
I just added fat to the search we just did, and it brings up a bunch of comics about fat people from back then.
joe rogan
Well, they were pretending.
Imagine if someone was this fat.
shane dorian
And there was no such thing as fat shaming back then, right?
joe rogan
Right.
Because they would get mad at you.
You fat fuck.
shane dorian
People weren't so sensitive back then.
joe rogan
1940s fat women beach butt.
Huh.
So this was...
There were probably a few fat people back.
You probably had to look for them, though.
shane dorian
These days, people are all so sensitive, though.
We're a bunch of big pussies.
joe rogan
So my point is, when I ate this way, I lost 12 pounds in a month.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And I'm sure some of it is like water in your muscles because you're not taking in any carbohydrates.
So you're...
And my mental clarity was incredible.
Like, my energy levels was incredible.
shane dorian
Wow.
That's kind of surprising, right?
joe rogan
But my exercise energy was not incredible, not good.
Like, I don't know if there's an adaptation period.
Stamina?
It's terrible.
Like, when I would work out, like, hit the bag, I'd get tired really quick.
shane dorian
Huh.
joe rogan
Even lifting weights, I'd get tired pretty quick.
I just was not...
I didn't have the same enthusiasm, the same, like, gusto that I have when I have a lot of carbs.
And I know friends that have tried to do keto, and they've tried to, like fighters who are training on keto, and they did not like it.
They did not feel good.
They felt like really low energy and lackadaisical.
shane dorian
I can't believe people do keto.
I mean, I get it.
I totally get it.
I get what's behind it, but I have a lot of friends who, I don't know, I know a ton of people who have tried keto.
I don't know anybody who's made a lifestyle change to keto for good.
joe rogan
I do know one guy who's on keto all the time.
shane dorian
Freaking hard, man.
joe rogan
He's a scientist.
shane dorian
It's hard.
joe rogan
Dom D'Agostino.
But he's a keto scientist.
One of the things he does is study the effects of ketones, exogenous ketones, naturally occurring ketones from food, and what's the best foods to eat in combination.
My point is, what I was going to say is even though I lost weight, also my appetite shrank.
You can only eat so much steak.
shane dorian
Yeah, that's for sure.
joe rogan
The thing is, if you have steak and then you have pasta and potatoes and maybe some brussel sprouts or whatever, like you ate at Red Ash last night, right?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Did you guys have steak there?
shane dorian
We sure did.
unidentified
New York.
joe rogan
Steak's incredible, right?
shane dorian
We're out of New York.
joe rogan
They have that Argentine grill.
They have the wood fire.
That's why it's called Red Ash.
shane dorian
We went crazy.
joe rogan
It's all wood fire grill.
shane dorian
We had New York steak.
We had Red Snapper.
It was a crazy Red Snapper.
We had octopus.
We had...
Clams.
That place is a joke.
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's very good.
shane dorian
Thanks for getting us in there.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
shane dorian
We had a blast.
joe rogan
But my point is, if you were just eating steak, you'd get tired of it.
Your body gets satiated.
Satiety.
There's a high satiety level.
You get satisfied quickly.
And then you don't eat anymore.
But if you had the pasta next to it, you'd just start eating the pasta, too, even though you're done with the steak.
But if you just commit to eating steak, you'd be amazed when you get full, when you're full, when you're satisfied.
And then your body switches over to it, and it gets accustomed to it.
Like a couple weeks in, I was accustomed to it.
shane dorian
I feel like psychologically you just eat less because you're bored of eating the same thing too.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that, but I didn't really get bored of it.
I still enjoyed it.
Steak is so good to me that I still enjoyed it.
But like when I was trying to eat only wild game, I felt like it's probably important that I mix some fat in there.
So I was cooking it in beef tallow a lot and I was also adding bacon.
And I think adding bacon was a good factor because it's just not enough.
I mean, there's no fat in a piece of elk.
shane dorian
So are you doing this again soon?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm going to do it in January.
shane dorian
And what percentage of the meat that you're eating is wild game?
joe rogan
Well, during that time, I was doing more ribeyes than I was wild game, just for the fat.
Because I feel like you have to have fat.
You ever heard of rabbit starvation?
shane dorian
No.
joe rogan
If you eat an incredibly lean animal like a rabbit, rabbits are super lean, you could literally not have enough fat to survive even though you're eating.
shane dorian
You ever watch that show Alone?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had Jordan Jonas on the podcast.
shane dorian
He was the winner, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he won it.
shane dorian
Dude, that show is so good.
And you wouldn't like exactly what you said, that rabbit starvation thing.
I didn't know it by name, but I trip on that show because they're eating.
Some of them are badasses.
They kill a lot of rabbits.
They kill a lot of, you know, small game animals and they're eating a lot and they're losing weight like crazy because there's no fat.
joe rogan
So rabbit starvation.
So let's say protein poisoning.
The term rabbit starvation originates from the fact that rabbit meat is very lean, almost all of the caloric content from protein rather than fat.
And click on that from Wikipedia.
I guess you can go back.
Just go back real quick.
It was in that bottom thing.
There it goes.
Okay, so the body takes in too much protein, not enough fat and carbohydrate for a long period of time.
Other names for this are rabbit starvation or mal de caribou.
These terms come about to describe only consuming very lean proteins such as rabbit without consuming other nutrients.
So Jordan, the guy that was on the podcast who won it, he actually had a wolverine steal a bunch of his fat.
He shot a moose because he brought a bow and arrow, and he was a bow hunter.
And he had actually spent a bunch of time living in Siberia with a bunch of indigenous people that live up there, and they would actually ride caribou like a horse.
It's wild shit.
shane dorian
Crazy.
joe rogan
And he lived with those people.
So he kind of had a better understanding of how to survive outside than anybody.
And so he shot this moose and he had stored the fat from the moose, like the call fat and all the gut fat and all that stuff.
And then a wolverine came and stole it.
And so he killed the wolverine with a fucking axe.
So he went out and fought this wolverine who was like attacking his stash of food and hacked it to death.
And then he ate its liver and ate its heart, I think.
Wild.
shane dorian
And they eat everything, like the eyes and the cheek and everything.
joe rogan
The fat's in there.
There's a lot of fat in the eye.
shane dorian
Yeah, and then they were like boiling the bones to get the marrow out.
That show was so good.
joe rogan
Oh, did you have marrow at Red Ash?
shane dorian
I didn't.
joe rogan
I should have told you to.
shane dorian
I know.
It's the best.
joe rogan
I fucked up.
shane dorian
That's what Phil said too.
He's like, did you have the marrow?
And I was like, what?
joe rogan
Oh my god, you gotta have the marrow.
Their bone marrow, they deliver it on, it's like bone marrow's healthy, but we're gonna put it on garlic bread.
So it's like this thick, delicious bread covered with like butter and garlic.
shane dorian
Dude, I had that.
I didn't know there was bone marrow on it though.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a different, that's, that one didn't have bone marrow.
shane dorian
That shit was crazy good though.
joe rogan
There's that garlic bread, and then they take bone marrow and serve it with that garlic bread.
It's off the chain, son.
shane dorian
I gotta come back to Austin for that.
joe rogan
Off the chain.
Great staff there, too.
That place is incredible.
Everyone's so nice.
Everyone's so nice in Texas, right?
You notice the difference?
shane dorian
Yeah, it's epic.
I love it.
It's my wife's first time to Austin, and I've been coming here a little bit over the years, and I like it.
I love the city.
joe rogan
It is an amazing place.
Look at this shit somebody gave me.
This is a real one that they pulled out of the ground here.
jamie vernon
A real arrowhead.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
shane dorian
Very cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Real Native American destiny.
shane dorian
You know you're supposed to leave these where they lie, Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I heard.
Somebody gave it to me, though.
Look at that.
That's the red ash bone marrow.
shane dorian
That's bullshit.
You can bring it home, dude.
joe rogan
I know.
shane dorian
Enjoy it.
joe rogan
Isn't that stupid?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Leave them where they lie.
Why?
That's the red ash bone marrow.
Look at that.
jamie vernon
Sick.
shane dorian
Don't go there.
Anyone listening, come to Austin.
It's terrible.
Don't go to red ash.
joe rogan
I already fucked up.
I already fucked up.
Talked too much about it.
shane dorian
The place was popping last night.
joe rogan
But imagine like this is what you're relying on to get your food.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then a homemade arrow.
shane dorian
Badass.
joe rogan
You're like kind of just judging roughly how much it weighs.
shane dorian
No rangefinder.
joe rogan
Yeah, no rangefinder.
I mean, have you ever shot traditional?
Have you ever shot like a recurve or anything?
shane dorian
Only at Target.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Terrible.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's amazing anybody killed anything with those things.
shane dorian
Well, people were frickin' hungry back then, too.
I mean, it's like you become a lot better at something out of necessity and starvation.
joe rogan
I wonder what they practiced on.
Like, how did they practice getting good with a bow and arrow?
Did they have targets back then?
shane dorian
For sure they had targets, for sure.
joe rogan
They had to, right?
shane dorian
They probably made it out of, like, dirt and hay or something like that, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, must be.
shane dorian
Because that was, I mean, that was the only way they could kill something real that they could last, that would last for a long time, so.
And they were feeding whole villages, right, and groups of people.
So, you know, the people who were hunters, they had to get really, that's all they did.
They were, like, specialized in bow hunting, you know?
joe rogan
Well, there's a guy that I know online out here that's friends with a good buddy of mine.
I got introduced to him, and he has a ranch, and he finds arrowheads all the time.
He sifts through them.
Like, there's a fucking immense amount of arrowheads out here.
shane dorian
Think of all the shots that were missed back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, or even made it.
shane dorian
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
Broke off the arrow, and the arrowhead lay there.
But this guy finds them on his ranch, like, literally every week.
Like, a dozen.
So you gotta imagine, like, he does it, like, he has a whole method.
Like, they'll dig out a specific chunk of ground, and then they take the dirt, and they sift through it.
Like, he's like a professional arrowhead hunter.
And he finds some of them that are gorgeous, that they're see-through.
shane dorian
That one's insane!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's beautiful.
shane dorian
Think about the Native Americans back in the day.
That was their job, was hunting with bow and arrow.
They were blacking out the sky with arrows, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they were really good at shooting arrows while they were riding a horse, too, apparently.
How badass is that?
Yeah.
They were really good in motion.
Like, they had a timing thing.
They knew exactly how to let it go.
shane dorian
Crazy.
joe rogan
Just imagine having to feed your family with this, your kids.
Think of how much you love your kids and think about having to make a projectile point out of rocks and make it sharp enough so you could stick it through the ribcage of a deer so that you could eat.
shane dorian
With a bow that you've for sure made yourself with your hands.
joe rogan
You ain't buying it anywhere.
shane dorian
No.
unidentified
No.
shane dorian
Imagine the shame and the guilt of coming back to camp or coming back to the village with nothing.
All your arrows are gone.
joe rogan
And everyone's starving.
shane dorian
Your horse is starving and thirsty.
Your whole family's, what'd you get dad?
Didn't get anything.
joe rogan
They would oftentimes have to eat their horse.
shane dorian
Pretty heavy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, I've been reading so many books over the last few years about Native Americans.
And one of the books was about this specific area called Empire of the Summer Moon, and it's all about the Comanche and the Comanche, how they lived here.
Those people ate nothing but meat.
The Comanche ate all buffalo.
The majority of their diet was buffalo.
They occasionally eat bare.
shane dorian
How lean they were.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they were shredded.
shane dorian
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
They were shredded.
I mean, you didn't have a chance to get fat back then.
shane dorian
Working all day, eating nothing but buffalo.
Jeez, that's a dream.
joe rogan
Running around, soaking up that vitamin D. Their wives were stoked.
shane dorian
They were.
They were so shallow.
joe rogan
Trying to stay alive.
shane dorian
They're just like, look at my man.
Look at that rig.
joe rogan
So shredded.
shane dorian
Yeah.
unidentified
Shredded!
joe rogan
So shredded.
shane dorian
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a harder world than not that long ago.
shane dorian
When are you doing that all-meat month-long day?
joe rogan
January.
shane dorian
January.
That's like no-nut November.
joe rogan
Ha ha ha!
That's so stupid.
That doesn't make any sense.
But the carnivore diet, I know people that have been on it for years.
And some people supplement with fruit and with honey.
And some folks would just eat steak and apples.
That's a common one.
They'll get a little carbohydrates from apples.
And the idea is that fruit is a natural thing that humans eat.
It's unprocessed.
It's very simple.
And that you get some carbohydrates that way, and then you get most of your protein and your fats and everything else from meat.
shane dorian
What does the scientific health data say about that diet?
Like the non-biased, middle-of-the-road, like just strictly facts.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
shane dorian
If you ate like that for three months, say, or four months at the end, would there be any red flags in that diet?
joe rogan
There's a guy named Paul Saladino who's been on the podcast before who wrote a book about it.
I think it's called The Carnivore Code.
And he's actually an MD. And he eats nothing but meat.
And he's become a carnivore advocate.
And he absolutely believes that as long as you eat what they call nose to tail, so as long as you eat liver, heart, kidneys, and he supplements also with some fruit and some honey and some things like that,
but I think his position is to stay the fuck away from everything processed, everything with any kind of Like, preservatives or chemicals that allow it to sit on a shelf for years.
Like, all that shit is not good for you.
It's not good for your gut biome.
It's not really healthy for you.
I mean, it's better than starving, but it's not good food.
The best food is lean, healthy meat with, you know, natural fats.
Like, grass-fed fats are better for you.
It's like grass-fed ribeyes is really where it's at.
You know, where you get, like...
Just the natural fat from a healthy animal.
And then healthy, lean, red meat.
And then, you know, he'll eat some other stuff along with that, like some berries or something along those lines.
shane dorian
Does he eat fish, too, or no?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he's shredded.
He's real healthy.
He's been doing it for years.
And he was a vegan at one point in time.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
His body must have tripped.
Yeah, he said he was unhealthy as a vegan, and I don't know if he was doing it right.
I mean, some people...
And then it's also...
There's different people that can do a vegan diet, and they thrive on it.
They have zero problem.
And they look great.
And there's other people that have real fucking problems.
Like, I have a good buddy of mine who...
For ethical considerations, he decided that he wanted to try veganism.
Then he had to quit after a couple months because his fucking blood chart was so off.
He went and got his blood levels and his lipids were so fucked up.
And he's like, I have to stop doing this.
shane dorian
It's not for everybody.
joe rogan
No.
So he started eating fish.
He started eating salmon and salmon eggs.
You know, trying to get healthy fats.
And then he eventually went back to meat.
And he just felt like he feels better when he eats meat.
shane dorian
Have you ever tried the vegan thing?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I did vegetarian for six months back when I was fighting because I was trying to make weight.
And I had gone from this one weight class and the next weight class was 14 pounds heavier and I was trying not to go up in the weight class.
And I eventually had to give up.
And then I started eating meat again and I gained 10 pounds quickly.
shane dorian
Wow.
Did you get skinny from the vegetarian diet?
joe rogan
I was weak.
I was getting weak.
I was kind of starving myself.
It was not smart.
It was just I was the state champion at 140 pounds.
And I really wasn't 140 pounds.
I was in the 150 range and I would diet and starve myself and then I would dehydrate myself to get down to 140. And I would have to fight the day that I did it too.
You weigh in the day of.
And then I did it for one year.
I mean, I did it before I was 18. And then when I was 18, I did one year at 140. And then I went up to 154. And then I was at my best after that.
Like, my best performances in competition were definitely at 154 pounds.
shane dorian
It was way better.
Well, it probably helped for your, I don't know what your blood type is, but it probably, you know...
Maybe stronger, more power.
joe rogan
100%.
I was way more powerful.
Way faster.
And I had more energy.
I was just better.
I was better all around.
It was a 100% good decision.
shane dorian
I tried to be a vegan for three or four months just to check it out.
I read that book, The China Study.
Have you read that?
joe rogan
Yeah, but have you ever read the criticisms of that book?
shane dorian
No, I haven't.
But that book did its job and terrified the shit out of me for a little bit.
And I was like, I'm going to see how this goes and try it.
So I tried it, which for me is really difficult, right?
Because I was traveling a ton at that time, going to different countries.
So being a vegan was a challenge.
I didn't starve myself.
I definitely was eating a lot.
And I actually gained weight.
But I like immediately, it was like I took estrogen or something.
I immediately, this is gonna sound bad, like I'm sure my vegan friends out there are like shit talking on vegans.
But I lost any muscle.
I was working out like a beast at the time.
And I lost like the muscle that I had, like the muscle density went away, like very quickly.
And I continued working out.
My energy levels were high.
I was sleeping really well.
I felt like I was processing the things I was eating really well.
But I ended up gaining like 10 pounds.
In four months.
joe rogan
A lot of carbs.
shane dorian
Yeah.
Which is weird.
Everybody...
I mean, I thought I would lose weight.
I gained weight.
And then...
But I definitely did.
I lost...
My body liked it from the perspective of my sleep pattern was totally fine.
I felt like I had energy.
But my body hated it from like a vanity standpoint.
unidentified
I just...
shane dorian
I just...
joe rogan
Do you think maybe you're just doing it wrong?
Like if you had like...
shane dorian
Full Bill Gates rig.
joe rogan
Is he vegan?
shane dorian
I'm just joking, but his body...
joe rogan
Well, when he talks about global health, I'm like, how about personal health?
Look at you.
He's fat as fuck.
He's got this giant gut.
shane dorian
How good are those stories about Bill Gates?
Not to go off down a different road, but like all the stories...
I always just thought he was, like, this nerdy dude.
He had these interests in, like, computer software and, you know, whatever, gene therapies, whatever got going on now.
But, like, all the stories about him throwing, like, raging parties and he's, like, hammered drunk and he's, like, gnarly, like, womanizer guy.
joe rogan
Really?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hammered?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane dorian
Hammered drunk.
joe rogan
Where are you reading these studies?
Or these stories?
shane dorian
Jamie could probably pull it up.
joe rogan
Bill Gates hosted nude pool parties and got drunk pretty easily.
Let's go!
But again, listen to this.
Insiders say.
Oh, insiders.
Bill Gates went to a Seattle all-nude strip club and invited them to come swim in his pool, according to biographer James Wallace.
He's dead now.
James Wallace died in a strange strangulation...
Bill and Melinda Gates announced their divorce after 27 years of marriage.
Okay.
shane dorian
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Bill Gates womanizer.
shane dorian
He was not just the nerdy Bill Gates that we all have come to know.
joe rogan
The biographer said this.
How does his biographer find all this about him?
jamie vernon
Ask people.
joe rogan
Ask people.
unidentified
Notorious for throwing naked pool parties with strippers.
shane dorian
Bad Bill.
joe rogan
Imagine if you throw one party with strippers and then you're fucking notorious for it.
I mean, how many times did he do that?
I bet before the internet, though, he thought he could get buck wild.
Back when Windows 95 came out.
shane dorian
But like, as if it's a big deal.
It's only a big deal because it's Bill Gates, right?
unidentified
Right.
shane dorian
Like, it's not a big deal.
joe rogan
No.
shane dorian
So he likes strippers and naked pool parties.
Who doesn't?
unidentified
Who doesn't?
shane dorian
For real.
Like, that's normal.
jamie vernon
It's from a 1997 biography.
shane dorian
We need to normalize that.
It's not cool.
joe rogan
It seems normal to want to be around naked people.
unidentified
People do enjoy naked bodies.
shane dorian
Maybe his wife wasn't on board and that's why it's not cool.
But otherwise, I've seen no problem with it.
joe rogan
Maybe she was behind a fucking two-way mirror.
shane dorian
Maybe she had the tripod set up and was filming.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe she was blackmailing everybody just the way...
Melinda.
unidentified
Melinda behind the cab.
joe rogan
Yeah.
After a while, she had to tap out.
That's enough, Bill.
Good luck.
unidentified
See ya.
shane dorian
Bad, Bill.
That's funny.
joe rogan
But again, here's a guy who's concerned with vaccines and health.
He's got a giant gut.
Like, dude, you're overweight.
This is the worst thing you could ever be in this pandemic.
shane dorian
Have you ever seen the national health minister for, what is it?
unidentified
Yeah, Belgium.
shane dorian
I'm sure you guys have, Belgium.
joe rogan
Yeah, hilarious.
shane dorian
Yeah, it's a picture of health.
joe rogan
This saying that that's the national, well, it's just, what?
shane dorian
How do they- Who hired that person?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane dorian
And said the optics on this is totally fine.
joe rogan
She's fine.
Seems fine.
Only morbidly obese.
Jamie, you got a visual for us?
I mean, looks like she's seconds away from dead.
shane dorian
Yeah, it's not a good look.
Not to be...
joe rogan
Oh, Belgian health minister.
You know the one, right?
It's preposterous.
But in Belgium, what do they do?
They drink beer.
What else comes from Belgium?
shane dorian
Eat sticks of butter, by the looks of it.
joe rogan
I think it's a lot of sugar.
When someone's that big...
shane dorian
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it goes.
shane dorian
I mean, there's nothing wrong with her, but like National Health Minister, I just think the optics is...
joe rogan
Well, she's morbidly obese.
shane dorian
A little sketchy.
joe rogan
Absolutely morbidly obese.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, it's crazy.
Oh, she said, she was quoted as saying, vegan diet is unhealthy and dangerous for infants.
Well, that's true, probably for infants, but what are you eating?
Oh my God, look how big she is.
She's got back fat, like all the way up the back of her neck.
That's a large lady.
shane dorian
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe nobody else wanted the job.
But why do you think she would take it?
shane dorian
And who hired her?
joe rogan
Some asshole.
shane dorian
That's mean to say, but it's not right.
She had the wrong job.
joe rogan
It's accurate, is what it is.
It's kind of mean if she hears it.
shane dorian
It's bad hiring right there.
joe rogan
Oh, that's English.
20 stone.
I love that.
That's, I think, 20 stones.
230 pounds.
shane dorian
How many pounds in a stone?
joe rogan
Is a stone 13 or 14 pounds?
jamie vernon
14 sounds right, I think.
joe rogan
So what does that article say?
20 stone minister for public health is accused of being too big to be credible, but hits back saying it's what's inside that counts.
Oh, she hit back.
Is that a clap back?
She clapped back?
Fuck outta here.
shane dorian
Oh, man.
joe rogan
She hits back.
It's what's inside that counts.
Yeah.
Yeah, all that food.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
That counts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That counts against your health.
shane dorian
It really does count in a big way.
joe rogan
Well, also, it's a lack of discipline, for sure, but also a lack of awareness.
Why do you keep eating when you get that big?
At what point in time do you go, hey, I gotta put this in check.
I can't see my feet.
shane dorian
I wonder that all the time.
I mean, yeah.
And it's probably, I mean, it's, I don't know.
Like for me, I've never really had weight issues, right?
My body's normally probably supposed to be sort of similar to this.
It may be harder for her, maybe she has a thyroid issue, whatever it is, but regardless, there's lifestyle choices that you can She could lose 100 pounds in the next two years if she wanted to.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
Definitely be done.
shane dorian
Regardless of her thyroid, regardless of things that are making it look harder for her.
joe rogan
A lot of people have done it.
It's not easy.
To change your life like that, to go from where you are now to where you want to be, to make these massive adjustments and become a different person...
It's not easy.
It's not just hard.
It's really fucking hard.
shane dorian
Yeah, it's really hard.
joe rogan
But people have done it.
shane dorian
Isn't it crazy how people have discipline for some things but other things not?
I have a really good friend who's been struggling with his weight for a long time.
He's really big.
And he's super, super disciplined with working out.
Works out every day.
Hardcore.
He's always sending me pictures of him all sweaty, running upstairs.
But when it comes to food, he's totally undisciplined.
So he works out really hard, but he eats like terrible.
And so he's really, really huge.
And I feel so bad for the guy.
I'm like, you're so disciplined with your exercise.
joe rogan
He just loves it.
shane dorian
Just bring it over here to the food part.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's like people think that that's the reward for the exercise.
So they can go eat a large pizza.
shane dorian
And it is to a certain extent, right?
joe rogan
Once a week.
shane dorian
I eat sort of what I want.
And I feel like I justify it by working out a lot.
joe rogan
She's not the health minister anymore.
She's out as health minister in new Belgian government.
jamie vernon
Just for record.
joe rogan
It says, I will be a free woman from tomorrow, she said.
And I'm going to fucking eat cake and celebrate.
shane dorian
Hopefully she's free to get on the program.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it would be nice.
It would be nice if she was...
Healthy.
I love when people lose weight and get healthy.
Like my friend Lara, I was telling you about, she's a comedian, hilarious comedian.
I've taken her on the road a bunch of times.
During the pandemic, at the beginning of the pandemic, she was very overweight and she realized like, oh my God, this is like the highest risk for mortality is to be overweight.
So she started watching videos of people doing exercise routines, did some at home, and then got a trainer and lost a shitload of weight.
I think she does all her training with this lady online, like, you know, like a Zoom thing.
But I think it's one of her friends, too.
But anyway, she's lost, like, what has Laura lost, like 50 pounds?
At least.
shane dorian
Once you start seeing those results too, it's got to be so addicting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
To see that progress and feel better and like just way less, less impact.
And like for, you know, if someone's really big their whole lives and all of a sudden they lose 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, and they just feel better and it feels...
joe rogan
And they get momentum.
shane dorian
It's got to be exhilarating.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, she's had addiction problems in the past and now her new addiction is being healthy, which is a great addiction to have.
And so when we go out to dinner, like, she makes sure there's no sugar in anything she orders.
She'll ask them, is there any gluten?
shane dorian
Wow.
joe rogan
And she's, like, super strict.
Like, just vegetables and fish and meat and just no fucking around at all.
No dessert.
Drinks water.
shane dorian
Probably feels so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Like, she looks great.
I mean, she...
See if you can find out before or after.
We've shown it before, but...
It's worth celebrating because when someone can pull it together and have discipline and show results, it lets everybody know, oh, I look like her before.
I can do it.
I can be healthier.
And now, like, you would never imagine if you saw her, you just see, oh, look, that thin girl.
She looks like a healthy person, normal, you know, like a healthy, active person.
When we go to the gym, she's, oh, look at her.
unidentified
Wow!
shane dorian
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing?
shane dorian
That is so inspiring.
Imagine all the people that she knew is like, what?
joe rogan
I know.
If you saw her today, you hadn't seen her in a couple years.
shane dorian
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Wow.
shane dorian
I love that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing.
shane dorian
Think of how much better protected she is against all the shit that we're dealing with these days, being way healthier and stronger.
It's freaking awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, giant fucking difference.
Giant difference.
shane dorian
Am I spreading misinformation by saying that?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're going to go to jail, according to this new New York law.
You see that new New York law they're trying to pass, Jamie?
shane dorian
That's crazy talk.
joe rogan
There's wild bills that I put it on my Instagram stories because Chris Weidman sent it to me.
This is really crazy shit.
But on January 5th, the legislative session begins, and there's a snapshot of a few of the bills that are looking to be passed for New York State.
And one of them, Assembly Bill A8378, forced COVID shots mandated to attend school.
And then it gets down.
There's a couple other ones, but here's one.
Eliminates religious exemption for work and college.
And then here's the bottom.
Eliminates parents' consent to shots when a child reaches 14 years of age.
So your 14-year-old kid, you can't say that your kid doesn't get a COVID shot.
The school just gives them a shot.
The school just takes care of your kid's body.
Which is wild.
Eliminates a parent's right to consent to STD shots for children of any age.
So imagine your child is five and they give your kid like a...
What are the shots?
Like there's one for warts.
What is that?
What is that called?
Yeah, HPV. Which apparently has like some wild side effects for some people.
They could just give it to your five-year-old.
Here's another one.
This is the scariest one.
Assembly Bill A416 allows the governor to imprison without trial anyone she considers a threat to public health.
So I'm like, is that me?
Like, if I say, hey, I don't think you should get vaccinated, like, is that me?
If I said something like that, I mean, if I did say something like that, and I think I have in the past, if I said something like that, am I a threat to public health?
Like, is that, like, what is it?
The governor gets to choose that?
Like, that's unconstitutional.
Without trial?
In prison without trial?
That's so vague, a threat to public health?
What does that mean?
Well, if you're fat, and you're sick, and you're sneezing on the subway, you're a threat to public health.
Like, what's a threat to public health?
Like, that's pretty fucking vague.
shane dorian
Which is really effed up.
joe rogan
Dude, this is what's scary to me about this COVID thing, is that the government has gotten accustomed to having way more power over people.
Way more power to control people's lives.
And they like that shit.
They enjoy it.
shane dorian
Yeah.
I think it's human nature to crave that power.
And when they see that moment, it's like gaining momentum, too, right?
joe rogan
Also, they feel righteous.
They feel like it's a good cause.
They should be doing this.
Like, God, these fucking idiots.
shane dorian
We need to help them.
I'm on Oahu right now, hanging out surfing with my kid.
And the school there is doing these vaccine drives where they were staying with a family there and they have a couple little kids and that school is doing these vaccine drives where they have this like mobile vaccine bus that pulls up right in front of the school.
The parents can't go in there.
Parents got to drop off their kid on the perimeter of the school.
Kids go in.
The bus is in the school.
During school hours, doing this vaccine drive, in the classroom, the teachers are saying, who's getting vaccinated?
Raise your hand.
So there's like these...
joe rogan
So there's pressure on them.
shane dorian
There's heavy pressure on them.
And it's like they're shaming...
Some of the teachers are shaming the children that aren't getting vaccinated.
They're doing these vaccine drives.
You have to...
I forget what it was, but now you have to sign to opt out for your kid.
But before, if you didn't, they could go ahead and vaccinate your kid and that happened on Maui a few times.
But it's just heavy.
joe rogan
My friend's son got vaccinated and he has myocarditis.
And it hit him hard and he's really freaking out about it.
He has heart palpitations, his heart races.
He's not the only person I know that's had it from them.
One guy I know that's in his late 30s got it.
And, you know, he's been rushed to the emergency room twice because, like, his heart's just racing out of control and he's freaking out.
And so they took him to the emergency room twice.
Healthy guy.
Plays soccer.
Fit.
Decided to get vaccinated.
It just was one of the unlucky ones.
And it's not a lot of people, you know.
shane dorian
It is though.
joe rogan
It is.
shane dorian
It is.
joe rogan
Over time.
shane dorian
Yeah.
Because, I mean, my friend group is not that big.
And I know quite a few people who have had adverse effects from vaccinations.
I have a really good friend who's a lifeguard.
joe rogan
We should say COVID vaccinations.
shane dorian
Yeah, COVID vaccinations.
joe rogan
We're not talking about like regular vaccinations.
I don't know anybody who's had an adverse event to other vaccinations.
shane dorian
No, I don't either.
But I know a handful of people that have had really horrible adverse effects from the COVID vaccination, and long-lasting.
One of my friends is a lifeguard, and he got the first shot, and his heart immediately started racing like crazy, thought he was having a heart attack.
And that lasted for a very long time, and he was scheduled to get his second shot.
And he had to.
It was mandated in Hawaii for all the lifeguards, all the firefighters, all this stuff.
unidentified
And...
shane dorian
He ended up...
He was terrified to get the second shot.
He thought he was going to die.
Because the first shot, it was...
It just kept happening.
Like, his heart just was going crazy for so long.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
He was terrified.
It was really scary.
joe rogan
Did he get the second shot?
shane dorian
I think he did get the second shot.
joe rogan
How did he deal with it?
shane dorian
I think he's...
I mean, this guy is like...
I hate him.
He's ripped, dreamboat.
He's one of those guys, like just super crazy healthy, young.
I mean, he would be totally, I mean, almost guaranteed he'd be totally fine getting COVID. Well, he would be totally fine with the proper treatment.
joe rogan
I'm not advocating that everybody would be fine with no treatment.
What I am saying is with monoclonal antibodies, I think most people would be fine.
And if you talk to Dr. Peter McCullough, he says there's not a shortage of monoclonal antibodies.
What they have done is they made a concerted effort to make them very difficult to get because they want to encourage one thing, one singular thing, and that thing is vaccination.
And that's the thing that they're most profitable.
shane dorian
Nobody knows how to get monoclonal antibodies.
I mean, very few people.
joe rogan
A lot of people know now.
More people should know and should be more accessible.
shane dorian
In Hawaii, I have no idea how to get them.
joe rogan
You know what they've done in Texas?
You know what they're crazy?
A friend of mine went, and he's a white guy, and he went and they told him that they couldn't give it to him because of his age and his body mass because he's white, but if he was Hispanic or black, they would be able to give it to him.
shane dorian
That's so messed up.
joe rogan
And he went, what?
shane dorian
That's because our country is white supremacist.
Wait, what?
joe rogan
He said, if I looked exactly like my body now, but I had more melanin.
shane dorian
That's crazy.
Because of your skin tone.
joe rogan
Because you'd be in an at-risk group.
You're not in an at-risk group because you're a white guy.
And she goes, I'm so sorry.
I have no say in this.
shane dorian
That's seriously messed up.
joe rogan
And he was laughing.
He's like, wow, this is crazy.
shane dorian
That makes zero sense.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, it's a strange thing that we have going on in this country.
And it happened very quickly.
It's almost like if you woke up, if you were Rip Van Winkle, you know, and you maybe, let's say you got hit over the head in 2019 in September, and you went into a coma, and you woke up now, you'd be like, what?
shane dorian
You wouldn't even believe it.
joe rogan
What is happening?
shane dorian
It's a strange, strange world.
It's like a long, long episode of Black Mirror.
joe rogan
Fact check.
No policy denies white people antibody treatment, Texas Health Department says.
There's a video of it.
jamie vernon
I know, and the video says that...
So they talk about the video in this, and then they reached out to the Texas Health Department Yeah, but they absolutely did to this guy, I know.
joe rogan
Like, people are definitely doing that.
jamie vernon
That doesn't mean it's a policy.
It means that person is an asshole, maybe.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't think so.
You mean the person at the clinic is an asshole?
jamie vernon
Like the nurse, whoever said that they couldn't do it.
joe rogan
But she was saying she was sorry.
This was the way that they had to do it.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, this might be covering up for some fucking horse shit.
jamie vernon
Or it's not, but...
joe rogan
It's hard to say.
shane dorian
Pretty sure the fact checks is not exactly what we are told that fact checking is supposed to be like.
joe rogan
I have multiple friends that have been denied monoclonal antibodies at this place for being too thin, for being too fit.
Like, if you're healthy, they'd say your body mass is too much.
You have to, like, lie about your body mass.
You'd have to lie about your body fat.
shane dorian
So it'd be difficult for me to get the monoclonal arteries?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're too thin.
You're healthy.
You'd have to go and say, I have asthma.
You'd have to make some stuff up in some places.
In Florida, however, they've got it perfect.
shane dorian
This is saving people's lives.
joe rogan
100%.
shane dorian
It should be very easy to get.
joe rogan
Dude, there's some shenanigans going on.
And what those shenanigans are and why did it happen at that one place where there was a video?
Why did it happen to my friend?
Why did it happen to other friends who they've said that they're too healthy and too fit?
I don't know.
I know one guy who went to this place and they got him in there and then they said, no, we can't give it to you because your body mass is too low.
And then my friend Tim, who's overweight, went to the same place and he got him easy.
But he's overweight.
But meanwhile, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, there's millions and millions of available treatments, these monoclonal antibodies.
There's not a shortage of them.
He's like, there's a shitload of that stuff, and they ordered a lot of it, and you can get it, and it's not hard to make.
I'm like, is there a limited supply?
He's like, absolutely not.
I'm like, really?
He goes, no, this is about encouraging people to get vaccinated.
And that's it.
shane dorian
Yeah.
And it's working.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the thing is, when has there ever been just one single approved treatment for any disease?
When you know that there's other treatments that are available.
You know that it's possible.
This was never thought of that there was a thing that you could just do and you could get really much better, much quicker than if you didn't do anything.
That was never the case before when we were talking about COVID. It was if you got sick, you were kind of fucked and hopefully you made it and maybe you needed to get on a ventilator.
And then eventually it became like, what treatments are available?
What is available?
But if there was something like from the jump, like when COVID broke in March of 2020, when they locked down the country, if there was monoclonal antibodies widely distributed back then, and anytime someone's sick, they can go to a place, get shot monoclonal antibodies, and you're good to go.
Not only are you good to go, but you have antibodies now, and you're never going to catch it again.
Or if you do catch it again, it's highly unlikely.
That was the one thing that Peter McCullough said that I was really...
I didn't necessarily believe.
And he was saying that if you have COVID once, you can't catch it again.
And I was like, God, I think I know people that have caught it more than once.
I've heard of people that have caught it more than once.
And he goes, no.
He said they probably had the flu or something else and they had a negative or a false positive.
unidentified
I'm like, hmm.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
I don't know if that's...
I feel like this disease is too young for someone to say you can't get it twice.
Because if you got COVID in March of 2020, and then here we are heading into January of 2022, who the fuck is to say that in 2024 you can't get it?
Or 2025?
Maybe immunity is not that robust.
Maybe it's great for a couple of years and it dies off.
We don't know.
shane dorian
We know very little.
joe rogan
We know about SARS, the original SARS, that some people have antibodies 18 years later.
But what about some people don't?
shane dorian
That's crazy, right?
joe rogan
We don't know.
shane dorian
How long it can last.
joe rogan
Yeah, for that.
But that's with most things, right?
Like if you get chicken pox, you never get it again.
That's how it normally is.
And that's why there's vaccines, like normal vaccines, that when you get that vaccine, you never get that disease.
And I think they're trying to come up with one of those for COVID. I think there's one coming out that's going to be like an inert form of the virus.
And that's probably going to encourage a lot more people to get vaccinated because it doesn't seem so weird like an mRNA vaccine.
shane dorian
Well, it's kind of weird that they changed the definition of a vaccine, right?
joe rogan
Right.
It's gene therapy.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's pretty fishy.
shane dorian
Think about how fishy that is.
joe rogan
It's funky.
There's another thing.
With an anti-vaxxer, the definition includes someone who's against mandates.
Oh.
That's what it says.
shane dorian
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
That's the new definition of anti-vaxxer.
If you're against the government telling you that you have to take a shot...
shane dorian
That's bullshit is what that is.
joe rogan
...that has a very low, like, the amount of time that's been spent considering the safety, the safety profile, like, the amount of time they've been studying what happens to people over the years of taking it, that's not a lot of data.
If you are against a mandate of taking that, you're an anti-vaxxer.
Even with the monoclonal antibodies.
Even knowing that there's treatments out there that 100% fix your work.
shane dorian
That work, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fucking work.
They want to be in denial of it.
They don't want you to have a choice.
They want you to have one choice that's get vaccinated.
But what if people have told me, oh, well, you've gotten over COVID. Now you should get a shot of the vaccine.
You'll be even more protected.
I'm like, bitch, I'm protected.
I'm more protected than you and you haven't gotten COVID. I'm like, I'm more protected.
There's an Israeli study of, I think it was 2.5 million people they did a study on and they found that people who have recovered from COVID have a six to 13 times better chance of not getting COVID again than someone who's been vaccinated.
shane dorian
But we never talk about that or hear about it.
joe rogan
You don't hear about it.
No, they don't want to include that.
They want you to get vaccinated.
So even if you've already recovered from COVID and you have better antibodies, they still want you to get vaccinated because it's like a cult.
Is it the cult of the vaccinated?
shane dorian
Well, we talked about this earlier, too.
And it's what nobody talks about, you know, it's really difficult to find this information out.
But if you've already had COVID, it's actually fairly, it's much more dangerous getting the vaccine.
joe rogan
It has a higher likelihood of adverse side effects.
shane dorian
And I think it's after having recovered from COVID. Yes, after having recovered from COVID. But if you tell somebody that they think you're spreading misinformation, it's simply not.
That is the truth.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
So for people who have already had COVID and recovered and they're totally fine, it's super justifiable that they would be...
Have a lot more fear about getting vaccinated, you know?
joe rogan
Yes, you should.
It doesn't make any sense.
It just doesn't make...
It's like everyone's in a fucking tizzy.
shane dorian
You're supposed to trust the science, but not that science.
Not that science.
joe rogan
Not that science.
That's a tricky science.
shane dorian
Yeah.
That is...
Yeah, it's fucked up.
joe rogan
Well, there's also when people get vaccinated, they want you to get vaccinated too.
I did it.
I took my shot.
I took one for the team.
You know, I did the thing that you're supposed to do and you're not doing the thing you're supposed to do.
There's that.
They want you to do it.
You should do it.
You should get vaccinated.
shane dorian
Like a tribal mentality, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you do get, like, really sick, like, God, you're only sick for a few days.
God, what are you worried about?
Like, I don't know, man.
My heart's racing fast.
You're fine.
Maybe you're just out of shape.
You're fine.
It's mild myocarditis.
We don't even know.
It's like this is the one time ever in our lives where we're supposed to trust the pharmaceutical companies.
All of our lives!
The pharmaceutical companies are a bunch of money-hungry monsters who don't give a fuck about you and they're just concerned about making profits.
Which is a fact.
That was then.
shane dorian
And they've been in trouble with the law for decades.
joe rogan
That was then.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was not during the pandemic.
shane dorian
Now we're supposed to not ask any questions and be involved without...
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you're not supposed to promote healthy lifestyles as an alternative to this.
And you're not even supposed to consider the fact that for most people that are fat and unhealthy...
Listen, man, you are fucked no matter what.
You're fucked no matter what.
Because even if you don't get COVID, you're going to have a heart attack, okay?
You're not going to make it anyway.
Like, I don't know what you're saying about, you know, like, we're in danger and you're not.
Like, bitch, please.
Bitch, please.
You can't, like, exonerate yourself from decades of being a slob and being a person who has no consideration about their health and about their obesity and about the kind of food they put in their body and their lack of vitamins and exercise.
And all of a sudden, you're health-righteous?
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
That's been my whole life.
My whole life is about being healthy.
I've been healthy forever.
I haven't been sick in 11 fucking years.
I got sick one time, it was with COVID, and it was only for a couple of days.
And you're telling me that you're the one who's doing the right thing and the smart thing, and you're the one who's healthy?
Get the fuck out of here.
That's straight nonsense.
And you've got to confront those people on it.
Because they run around all self-righteous.
Like, I got the shot.
unidentified
You're going to be in trouble if you get the COVID. Bitch, you're going to get COVID even after you get the shot.
shane dorian
And they are.
joe rogan
They're getting it like crazy.
Like my friend who got boosted.
Fucking boosted.
Double vaccinated, boosted two months ago.
shane dorian
COVID. And crazy sick from COVID. Not only got it, but like crazy sick.
joe rogan
Not good.
Feels like shit.
shane dorian
That's really why you're supposed to get the vaccination right is to, is so when you do, if and when you do get COVID, you have a much higher probability to not get really sick.
joe rogan
Well, it points to that study about obesity.
Like, it's a real problem.
They're not developing the proper antibodies.
And they're not going to recover well.
And these poor fucking people.
And they're going to have to probably get on monoclonal antibodies anyway.
I hope they do.
If they listen to this and they know.
Because if you get admitted to the hospital, by the way, they don't give you monoclonal antibodies once you get into the hospital.
They'll only do it before you're admitted.
I mean, that was another thing that Peter McCullough was discussing.
shane dorian
He did not want to go to the hospital for this.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good, man.
Or if you do, you want to go to a really good hospital.
It's fucking tricky.
But folks, please, just go take care of yourself.
Please.
Go walk around.
Get together with your friends.
Make a pact.
You got some fat friends?
Get together.
And it is a fat friend.
Okay, stop all this body positivity shit.
shane dorian
It is what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, just take care of yourselves.
Just make a pact.
Make a contest with your friends.
Let's see who can do the most fucking body weight, squats, push-ups, sit-ups, and who loses the most weight at the end of X amount of time and put a fucking pool together.
Like, everybody throwing a hundred bucks.
And, you know, one guy gets to win all the money.
And then you take photos for Instagram.
Motivate yourself.
shane dorian
And bragging rights, yeah.
Let's get healthy.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, you fucks.
shane dorian
Seriously.
unidentified
Yeah, you fucks.
shane dorian
I like that.
I like that idea.
joe rogan
How much of your diet is, like, wild game?
shane dorian
Um, you know, a lot, well, it's kind of, um, I, I, I consistently eat wild game.
I'd say for four days a week, I probably eat wild game.
And my, my, my, my wife loves it too.
My, both my kids love it.
Um, I pretty much only hunt deer and elk at this point.
And I kill a lot of deer in Hawaii.
I'm super lucky.
You can kill as many as you want with your bow.
Um, so this year I think I killed 13 deer.
joe rogan
Whoa.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, you must be eating nothing.
That's a lot of meat.
shane dorian
That's a lot of meat.
But I love to share them.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's nice too, isn't it?
shane dorian
It's different in Hawaii, right?
Because, you know, here in California, or you go to Utah, you go to Colorado, you go to Montana, you get your one deer tag, and you go and kill your deer, and that's your deer for the year.
Which is awesome, but it's based on like the population levels of the game.
In Hawaii, if a deer is on your property, that's your deer, you can kill it.
And there's no, we don't have any mountain lions, we don't have any wolves, we don't have any bears, we don't have, there's nothing killing these There's a need to control the population.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane dorian
So, you know, you're encouraged to kill as many as you possibly can.
So, it's awesome and delicious.
And so, to answer your question, I probably eat venison axis deer four days a week.
joe rogan
It's so good for you too.
shane dorian
For dinner.
joe rogan
My god.
shane dorian
It's amazingly good and delicious and just feels so good.
But I eat small portions.
I probably eat, just in general, I eat smaller than my palm.
joe rogan
Okay, so like four ounces, something like that.
shane dorian
Yeah.
So I consistently eat meat, but it's usually pretty small.
joe rogan
But if you look at a small four-ounce portion of that in comparison to a four-ounce portion of, say, domestic beef, the protein content is so much higher.
I mean, it's double.
shane dorian
Much more nutrient-dense, too.
So you get, I mean, I feel like you feel a lot different afterwards.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, I definitely think so.
unidentified
It feels amazing.
joe rogan
I definitely think that the amount of wild game that I have, that I've eaten, over the last few years has contributed to my vitality.
It just has to have.
It just doesn't make sense.
shane dorian
I think that's one of the choices that I've made in my life that has made the biggest health difference is Is eating more wild game in combination with healthy foods.
And then this was one of my New Year's resolutions, like I think the year before last, is eating one meal out of my blender each day.
joe rogan
Out of your blender?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you put in there?
shane dorian
That was from Kelly Slater.
He's a super health fanatic and does tons of research about his health.
But he eats a lot of his meals out of blenders.
And so that was one of my things I wanted to implement into my routine.
joe rogan
For digestion purposes?
shane dorian
Yeah, just for overall health.
joe rogan
Okay, when you say out of your blender, what are you putting in there?
shane dorian
Fruits, vegetables, fats.
Just in general, like say I'm going to make a smoothie basically essentially for lunch almost every day.
And I'll put bananas, frozen raspberries, frozen strawberries, acai.
You know acai.
I'll put in macadamia nut oil.
I'll put in almond butter.
And I'll put in like these...
Like a pulverized greens.
I forget what it's called off the top of my head, but essentially it's like this greens powder that's like allergies.
joe rogan
Athletic greens?
shane dorian
Yeah, like that.
Like algaes and grasses and stuff like that.
And so it's a bunch of greens in there, fats and vegetables, and it's good.
And some protein powder.
joe rogan
Are you supplementing with vitamins or anything as well?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
What kind of stuff do you take?
shane dorian
I take stuff that my wife gives me.
joe rogan
That's good.
shane dorian
But I normally take...
I really like that Garden of Eden.
They make a lot of really good stuff.
joe rogan
They do.
Oh, yeah.
shane dorian
But I basically take...
Like these days, I take a lot of vitamin C. I probably take, I think, like 3,000 milligrams of vitamin C. I take a lot of vitamin D, zinc, quercetin.
Is that how you pronounce that?
unidentified
Yeah.
shane dorian
Quercetin.
Yeah.
I take...
What is the root?
I'm drawing a blank.
joe rogan
Curcumin?
shane dorian
No.
Not ginger.
joe rogan
Turmeric?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
Turmeric.
Turmeric and curcumin I think is the same thing.
shane dorian
And I think how your body processes quercetin and maybe even zinc is really similar to turmeric.
joe rogan
Well, I think what quercetin and turmeric, what they have in common is that I think they're both ionophores.
shane dorian
That's right.
Who's the same thing?
joe rogan
Turmeric and curcumin.
Yeah.
shane dorian
Anyway, yeah.
So I take a lot of that stuff.
unidentified
The girl who did what?
shane dorian
Who's the girl?
The girl who did our nasal swabs today.
joe rogan
Oh, Mercy?
shane dorian
Yeah, Mercy.
She was explaining that.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
shane dorian
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane dorian
I mean, I take a lot of vitamins every day.
That's misinformation.
jamie vernon
Curcumin is a substance in turmeric.
joe rogan
Ah, there you go.
Alright, now we know.
shane dorian
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
So curcumin is like the active part of it, is that what it is?
jamie vernon
Turmeric is a common spice.
It comes from the curcuma lungo.
joe rogan
Have you had any of this turmeric coffee from Laird?
shane dorian
I have, yeah.
joe rogan
Laird Hamilton?
We had a machine back there.
shane dorian
It's good stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh my god, it makes me addicted.
I'm addicted to that coffee.
shane dorian
And the creamer is so good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking great, man.
shane dorian
It's good stuff.
joe rogan
And it's all really good for you.
Super healthy.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
I love turmeric, and you know what I really love?
CBD. Do you fuck with CBD at all?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'd take a lot of that shit.
shane dorian
I had a CBD massage yesterday.
I'm here at Austin on our 20th wedding anniversary.
So my wife and I are not only getting stem cells in my knee and doing Joe's podcast, but we're also celebrating and having a good time.
joe rogan
That's nice.
Multitasking.
shane dorian
So we did CBD massage yesterday.
So it's like CBD oil.
joe rogan
Well, that makes sense, because I use CBD... I'm a big fan of...
CBDMD has a bunch of great stuff, and one of the things they have is these rollers.
It's like a roll-on for CBD freeze and CBD recover.
If I have a sore muscle, I'll just get that roll-on right into the muscle and massage it in.
But for me, oral CBD is like drops, the shit, and gummies, the shit.
It's so good.
Because, like, I'm always, like, after I hit the bag, I'm always, like, my toes are sore just from, like, kicking and, like, pushing off the ground and stuff.
And just everything, aches and pains.
And, God, CBD is so good for that.
shane dorian
Do you use it to help you sleep?
Like the gummies or whatever?
joe rogan
I sleep like a brick, man.
shane dorian
Yeah, me too.
I don't have any sleeping issues.
That is a major...
Man, I feel so bad for people who have sleeping issues.
joe rogan
My wife has.
But she only has them when the kids are in school.
She's very responsible, so she has to think about things.
I'm irresponsible.
Luckily, my job is...
You know, you love surfing.
I love comedy.
I love it.
I never think, oh, I have to do comedy shit.
I love it.
It's fun.
And you love MMA? I love the UFC. When I show up for a UFC fight, when the fight starts, when the card starts, I'm never thinking, God, I wish I was somewhere else.
I'm always like, wow, I can't believe this is my job.
I always think that.
shane dorian
That's like me and surfing.
I don't see it as a job at all.
joe rogan
And even podcasting.
I love podcasts.
I fucking talk to you.
You and I could just sit down anywhere and talk.
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
So the fact that we're sitting down and people are listening, great.
I love it.
shane dorian
It's crazy that we somehow found something that we absolutely love to do and somehow it...
joe rogan
We're both very lucky.
We're both very, very lucky.
And I think one beautiful thing about having a podcast like this is that people get to hear that there are fortunate people out there that have figured out a thing that they love so much that they want to do it all the time.
And then those people need to know that you can find something like that too.
Whether it's writing books, maybe it's being a carpenter, whatever it is.
What is the thing that you love?
There's got to be a thing you love where when you go to work, you enjoy the shit out of it.
That's real life.
Because if you could do that, man, it's so much better.
shane dorian
And no matter what they have you believe, there's more people doing that Than ever right now.
joe rogan
I think so, because of the pandemic, a lot of people woke up and realized, like, hey, this could all be taken away from me at any point.
I should go for it.
Whatever the fuck I want to do, I really want to do, I should go for it.
shane dorian
And a lot of the tools that are in place to enable you to do that weren't in place a long time ago with, like, modern technology and, like, internet and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Like, only fans.
Like, there's a lot of girls being hoes that didn't have a chance.
shane dorian
Spreading that passion.
joe rogan
I love the fact that girls are making so much money.
I found a girl yesterday that's making $50,000 a week selling her farts.
Jamie, did I send that to you?
unidentified
What the hell?
joe rogan
Did I send it to you?
shane dorian
Alright, we need to get down to the bottom of this.
joe rogan
New York Post, here we go.
I'm going to send this to you right now, Jamie.
I'm sending you lots today.
jamie vernon
I got it, I got it, I got it.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Reality TV star says she makes $50,000 a week selling her farts.
shane dorian
She fart in a jar and sending it to people?
joe rogan
I sent you better, because I sent you a picture of the gal.
The difference is, she's so hot, you would want her farts.
shane dorian
Dude, I feel like this studio would really, really benefit from a jar of this chick's farts.
joe rogan
How much do you think she charges for a jar of farts?
shane dorian
There's only one way to find out.
jamie vernon
And open it.
joe rogan
Not open it?
jamie vernon
No, open it.
joe rogan
No, open it.
jamie vernon
You've got to sniff that fart like the salt, like the ammonium.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What we should do is buy it and throw a match in there and see if it's real.
jamie vernon
Dude.
joe rogan
So pull up.
Look at her.
So this lady's very pretty.
See?
So her farts would be worth something.
shane dorian
Wow.
unidentified
She's...
shane dorian
Wow.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
The only way you would know that she really farted in that jar is, like, you gotta have a video.
jamie vernon
Okay, NFT of it.
shane dorian
NFT video.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
Boom.
joe rogan
But then she could fake it and pretend that this is the one.
You'd have to see, like, Chain of Command.
Like, hold the jar, a full video, and watch her write your name on the package, boom, and seal it up with, like, packing tape, and then hold it up to the camera, and you're like, we're good.
shane dorian
With a notary public on site as a witness?
joe rogan
What is she saying?
Let me see this.
Let me see some volume.
jamie vernon
Wow!
shane dorian
Okay, for real, who are these people that are buying this?
I need to know.
joe rogan
Creeps?
Like me?
shane dorian
Well, for you, it wouldn't even be creepy.
It'd just be an awesome art piece.
jamie vernon
I hear you.
joe rogan
People judging me for selling my jarred farts.
shane dorian
Goals.
Look at the comment.
unidentified
Goals.
People...
Oh, yeah.
Well...
I don't mind.
As long as I get paid.
joe rogan
Oh, I think she's lip syncing something.
jamie vernon
Yeah, 100%.
She's a TikTok star.
joe rogan
So there it is.
unidentified
I made $45,000 in one week selling my jars of farts.
And ever since my last TikTok went viral, I've been getting a lot of questions such as how long do the farts last?
Did I really fart 97 times in two days?
Who buys my farts and why?
And what are some of my tips and tricks?
Wow!
So the first question I get asked a lot is, how long do the farts last?
And the smell is most prominent for the first two days, but as I like to say, one with makes memories that last a lifetime.
Now, why do people buy my farts in a jar?
shane dorian
Hey, this is what I'm talking about.
This job did not exist five years ago.
joe rogan
It's so much money.
unidentified
Yeah.
What are some of my selling tips and tricks?
Number one, don't eat fiber one bars.
You might think it's the easy way out, but there is nothing easy about it on its way out.
You know what I mean?
Don't push yourself too hard.
Literally.
I made...
jamie vernon
Probably continued in another video.
shane dorian
Fart tips and tricks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
shane dorian
That's what I'm saying though.
Modern technology, innovation, you know?
joe rogan
You know, there's out there, there's a girl that's probably a hater.
It's like, that bitch isn't even farting in those jars.
Those are empty jars.
She needs to go to jail.
She's a scam artist.
shane dorian
Do you have any male friends that are on OnlyFans?
joe rogan
No.
shane dorian
I do.
joe rogan
Do you?
shane dorian
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are they doing on there?
shane dorian
Shout out to my boy, Nathan Florence.
joe rogan
Is he showing his heart?
shane dorian
I don't know.
joe rogan
Nathan, what are you doing on OnlyFans, buddy?
shane dorian
He's selling farts in a jar.
No, he isn't, but he may be after this podcast.
joe rogan
Can you find out how much a fart costs?
jamie vernon
I was looking.
So I'm on our website.
It doesn't say, which I thought would be...
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
I'm also wondering, like, did she just do this once?
One guy paid her $45,000?
Right.
She said she did it 97 times, but I could have been one guy buying it.
shane dorian
$50,000 a week.
I feel like there's not that much of a demand for jarred farts.
joe rogan
I don't think you're correct.
jamie vernon
I'd review it for her if she wants to send one, but...
shane dorian
There's that many weird creeps?
joe rogan
You're so nice.
Jamie's so nice.
He would review her farts.
Meanwhile, her boyfriend's gonna fart in a jar.
Yeah, send this to fucking young Jamie.
unidentified
Well, if it started as a business, for sure, you start hiring little kids to fart in a jar.
joe rogan
Some horrible guy's burrito fart, and you gotta be like, oh, I'm gonna jerk off smelling her farts.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's no link to buy the farts.
I wonder if she's selling them.
shane dorian
I feel like she's a marketing genius, this girl.
I feel like she just pulled the wool for the first week, saying that she was jarring her farts and she was killing it.
And after that, people just were interested in how I am right now, that I want to buy you that as a gift.
joe rogan
A jar of farts?
That would be so sweet.
shane dorian
I don't know if anyone's creepy enough to actually do that in a creepy way, more like a fun art piece and kind of like a conversation starter.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
She should have like a special jar so you know it came from her.
Get some jars made.
Don't just use a regular mation jar.
You know what she should do?
She should have a jar where like Aladdin's genie jar with like the lip.
jamie vernon
Like people's box.
That box you had with all the lights and everything, you open it up, you get a thing that's going to make you shit.
You're going to shit your pants when you open this box.
joe rogan
That would be nice.
But what I was thinking of type of jar that you could fart in, where you could really seal it in there good.
So have a small opening, like a vase, right?
So in the bottom, it swells out like a tulip or some shit.
shane dorian
It's pressurized, like how you pressurize wine.
joe rogan
Just put it right up to your asshole.
So it covers the whole asshole and you blow into it.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And then put a thumb over the top quickly, stuff a cork in there, seal it up.
shane dorian
Dude, our society's officially getting way weird.
joe rogan
I had a girl on the podcast a long time ago that told me that guys would pay her for her shit.
She would shit in Tupperware and send it to guys.
shane dorian
Who comes up with this idea?
joe rogan
Sick dudes.
It's definitely guys.
It's not a girl going, hey, you want to buy my shit?
jamie vernon
$100.
joe rogan
She calls $100?
jamie vernon
They were $100.
There was a temporary.
She was like a sale she was doing.
shane dorian
Is that for the jarred farts?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
The sale was $100?
shane dorian
$100 a jarred fart?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like a...
joe rogan
That's a sale?
shane dorian
Is that like a Black Friday sale?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Order fart jars here.
shane dorian
I completely miss the Black Friday sale of this.
jamie vernon
It's running a special on Parchers.
All right.
joe rogan
I think this is a perfect way to end this podcast.
We're three hours in.
shane dorian
Are we really?
Jeez.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, it's fucking 416 already.
shane dorian
I got to piss really bad.
unidentified
Well, perfect time.
shane dorian
Maybe I should put it in a jar and sell it.
joe rogan
Whatever your name is.
What's her name?
What's her name?
jamie vernon
Stepanka.
joe rogan
Stepanka?
Congratulations, Stepanka.
shane dorian
Stepanka, I have three letters for you.
joe rogan
NFT. I salute your hustle.
shane dorian
Verify the authenticity.
joe rogan
Shane Dorian.
shane dorian
That was fun, man.
joe rogan
That was fun.
Always fun.
Always great to see you, my brother.
unidentified
Thank you.
All right.
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