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July 22, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1686 - Ari Shaffir
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You decided to shake your head now, huh?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I like it.
joe rogan
It's better, right?
ari shaffir
It's smoother and it's easier.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So much better.
Imagine going to a barbershop now.
ari shaffir
God took care of a lot of it.
joe rogan
God took care of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
God cursed you.
Too much scalp.
ari shaffir
I want it back.
joe rogan
Do you?
ari shaffir
I really want to do a Mohawk correctly.
And I want it for a little bit.
Remember how much fun I'd have in my hair?
joe rogan
Well, you could do stuff with your hair to get it back that's not as dangerous as the...
ari shaffir
Staples?
joe rogan
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
There's a guy named Derek.
He's got a website called More Plates, More Dates.
And he talks a lot about...
Hormone optimization, all kinds of stuff, but also recovering hair loss.
And there's a bunch of different things you can do.
There's topical shampoos that remove DHT from the scalp that help bring your hair back.
ari shaffir
But it'll get back?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
You're pretty far gone.
ari shaffir
There's this Amazonian treatment for it.
joe rogan
Amazonian?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then I found this lady who was like, there's a lot of fake shit on the market there.
Can I curse on this?
I'm so sorry.
Sorry, I won't do it again.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
ari shaffir
And so she could smell it and tell that's real.
Oh, no way.
That's a lot of corn oil.
And I was like, see this botanist guy?
I was like, will it work?
And he was like, yes.
And then he looks up and he goes...
Unless you're too far gone, then it will not work.
But he goes, none of those people on the Amazon have hair loss.
Really?
And that's why.
Yeah, all those fucking...
We talked about all those...
joe rogan
Mostly it's genetic, though.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Mostly it's genetic.
If a lot of people on the Amazon don't have it, I doubt it's because they're all rubbing leaves on their head.
ari shaffir
I get what you're saying.
joe rogan
Because it's not a common thing amongst Native Americans that are pure blood.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
People that are pure Native American, it's not a very common thing.
ari shaffir
Everyone talks about how hard it is to be Native American, but the full locks of hair.
joe rogan
Well, you do have to realize that 95% of them died from the plague.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And then there's a litter also, which they never liked.
joe rogan
Litter?
ari shaffir
You know.
joe rogan
Oh, the Indian that cried?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
The pollution?
The last 5% was like, come on, guys!
There's 5% of us left, and you're chucking shit in our yard.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was listening to this thing where these settlers, post-smallpox, were arriving in towns, and there would be no one in the town.
It would be ghosts, and they thought the people had abandoned the town.
They hadn't figured it out yet, but it would literally look like the entire town was wiped out.
ari shaffir
From the plague?
joe rogan
From the plague, yeah.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
That was a really common thing.
They think that's what happened to South America.
They think that's what happened to the Amazon.
They think that the lost city of Z, the lost city of Zed, however you want to say it, they think that that was a massive civilization that existed in the Amazon, and then the European settlers came down, and just like they did with the Mayans, just like they did with the Native Americans, just like they did with it, they brought horrible fucking diseases and everybody died.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
That's the number one theory.
Because, like, people are thinking about what's going on right now, right?
You know, like, see how even a disease that doesn't kill, you know, a high percentage of people can spread throughout this entire country.
And hundreds of, I mean, I don't know how many people have been infected by COVID now.
It's got to be in the millions, right?
We've got it and recovered.
Now, imagine if that was smallpox.
ari shaffir
Then they're all dead.
joe rogan
They're all dead.
ari shaffir
Wow, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Most of them are dead.
Like, it's a high percentage.
ari shaffir
Especially back then.
joe rogan
And the people that survive, you're horribly scarred forever.
You have these horrible pockmarks all over your face.
ari shaffir
And they had no antibodies for that shit, right?
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
Nope.
ari shaffir
For whatever the settlers came with?
joe rogan
Well, even the Europeans...
Had a rough time with that, but for the Native Americans, everything the Europeans brought over, all their diseases.
ari shaffir
Was all new.
joe rogan
All of it was new.
No one had any immunity to it, and so these people who, the Europeans who were surviving with these diseases, came in and infected untold numbers of people.
They don't even know how many people died from the plague in the Native American populations.
They just think the estimate is somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 plus percent of all the people who are dead.
ari shaffir
How many Indians were there?
joe rogan
That's what they think.
They think there was millions.
But when, you know, by the time like the 1800s came around and they started trying to round them up and put them in reservations and all that horrible shit, there was way less.
ari shaffir
But like in 1550, in 1492, whatever, like how many, do they have any estimate of how many there were?
joe rogan
They think there were millions.
Two millions?
ari shaffir
A hundred?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
It's hard to say, right?
Because they have, like...
One of the things that happens is, like, you have the first wave of people that come in, like, 14-whatever.
ari shaffir
East Coast?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They land, and then who knows how many fucking people they infect?
ari shaffir
Right away.
And they spread it, spread it, spread it.
joe rogan
So if another wave comes back in 50 years, how many people are left?
How many people died from the initial infection?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But all these books about Native Americans talk about just a wave through people.
60 million?
What is that?
ari shaffir
60 million in 1492. Damn, that's a bright...
joe rogan
Look at that TV. By combining all published estimates from populations throughout the Americas, we find a probable indigenous population of 60 million in 1492. Europe's population at the time was 70 to 88 million.
See, scroll down there.
What killed 90% of the Native American population between 50 and 160 smallpox?
When the New Europeans arrived, carrying germs which thrived in dense semi-urban populations, the indigenous people, the Americans, were effectively doomed.
That is amazing, man.
90%.
It's a scary fucking number, man.
ari shaffir
Is that a flat screen?
That's really nice.
joe rogan
Of course it's flat screen.
What are you living in the past?
ari shaffir
Damn, bro.
joe rogan
What are you saying, man?
ari shaffir
Can you swear on TV? The big boxes still out there.
joe rogan
People still have those?
ari shaffir
You see it and you realize, that's somebody old just to touch.
For sure.
Or got put in a home.
Where you're like, who would still have it?
joe rogan
My grandpa had one of them cabinet ones.
Where you open up the cabinet, and the TV was like a part of the furniture.
It was so classy.
ari shaffir
And then underneath was where all the VHS tapes went?
joe rogan
There was no VHS tapes when he had it.
No, it was none of that.
And then a lot of times what would happen, that TV would die, and they would put a new TV on top of the cabinet.
ari shaffir
That's right.
joe rogan
That would be the move.
ari shaffir
That's right.
Because you can't throw away the cabinet.
joe rogan
It's a nice cabinet.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
It's a beautiful piece of furniture.
It was like ornately designed and the whole deal.
And you open up the cabinet to watch TV and you slide the doors into the sides.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, the thing would come out too.
You put the slider.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Classy.
Old tubes.
ari shaffir
They have black and white TV. There's people doing art stuff with them now.
They're picking them out and putting flowers in there or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's art you don't really want.
Right?
Like, okay, I see what you did.
I appreciate that you're not just trying to throw it out, but who wants that in their house?
ari shaffir
Yeah, but you're like, it's got no swords in it.
This art sucks.
joe rogan
You'd be like, look at this stupid old cabinet.
It's kind of cool, though, but so are old computers, right?
ari shaffir
Like, if you have, like, an Apple II. Remember the colorful apples?
Oh, yeah.
The iMacs.
Uh-huh.
You could see the inside, too.
That was like, damn!
joe rogan
They could bring a new version of that back, but now the iMacs are, like, thin as that pad you have.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
They just did that.
They're, like, they're all colors now.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
The first time in 15 years.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they got gold.
But not crazy colors.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that's right.
What do they look like?
jamie vernon
It's just, like, the flat screen with the colored back and...
joe rogan
Let me see what it looks like.
They're so thin now.
It's really amazing.
Ooh, like that.
Look, you've got a plastic protector on your laptop.
unidentified
How can you protect your laptop and not everything else in your laptop?
ari shaffir
You mean condoms?
Because this doesn't feel worse.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh, they're sweet.
ari shaffir
Oh, like a real iMac.
joe rogan
That's so thin.
Like an iPad.
That's how thin they are.
That's amazing.
And that's like all you need, right?
That does everything you need.
ari shaffir
You definitely can't play this on sound because they bought the rights to this, some fucking hip music to play behind it, right?
joe rogan
I'm sure they did.
unidentified
They fucking robbed the Beatles or whatever.
joe rogan
It's pretty beautiful though.
Those look fucking clutch.
ari shaffir
Is that Ally McCoskey in that fucking commercial?
joe rogan
Ally's trying to get paid.
Leave her alone, bro.
11.5 millimeters thin.
Holy shit.
That's tiny.
ari shaffir
Is that real size?
That sounds awesome until you realize you don't know what a millimeter is.
joe rogan
I know what it is.
How dare you.
I just found out how much a kilogram is.
Found out I'm 90.7 kilograms.
ari shaffir
Kilograms?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Heavy?
joe rogan
That's a...
Kilograms in Celsius.
Like, get the fuck out of here with that.
Like, on the wall up there, oh, we've changed it to Fahrenheit.
Thank the baby Jesus.
It was Celsius for a while.
ari shaffir
It's the only way to learn.
joe rogan
So confusing.
Yeah, you have to leave it at Celsius.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you have to leave it and, like, slowly start to learn.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you look at 24 Celsius, you're like, that ain't shit.
Meanwhile, you're gonna die.
ari shaffir
No, 24 Celsius is not bad.
joe rogan
Isn't it like 100 degrees?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
It's 34 Celsius.
ari shaffir
Yeah, 34, 35 is a lot.
joe rogan
I'm thinking 34. I was in Vegas last weekend, and it was 117 degrees.
117, dude.
It was so hot.
We got off the plane.
It was like, holy shit.
It was like a hair dryer just blowing in your face.
ari shaffir
It's dry, but it's like, it beats down on you sometimes there.
There in Phoenix would get you like, fuck!
joe rogan
Exactly, exactly.
There in Phoenix.
ari shaffir
I was walking on this ship in Vegas a long time ago, and my Chuck Taylors on the cement, so walking like 30-40 minutes, started to melt.
It started to feel like I stepped in gum on both shoes.
joe rogan
Whoa!
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, too hot.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's not made for that.
joe rogan
You can melt your sneakers?
It can get that hot?
What temperature do sneakers melt that?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Redame this podcast.
Let's look it up with Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Yeah, you would need work shoes.
You would need like fucking heavy duty work boots to walk.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Like something fucking really thick.
ari shaffir
You couldn't have steel toe because they'll burn your toes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got some dress shoes from David August that are, they have leather on the bottom of them.
I never owned a pair of shoes that have leather soles.
ari shaffir
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you have to scuff them up.
So I haven't scuffed them up.
Otherwise, they're real slippery.
That's why I would never wear them.
I'm like, these things, you're like, you're putting yourself at a significant handicap just walking around.
ari shaffir
Shabbat shoes.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
jamie vernon
It was so hot in Texas a couple years ago.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at that.
That is really melting.
Oh, so the glue was melting.
ari shaffir
Maybe, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
But that's only 106 degrees.
jamie vernon
It takes 250 to melt rubber, so.
joe rogan
Huh.
Well, I guess it's just...
ari shaffir
Well, the cement takes more.
jamie vernon
Yeah, so I was looking up how hot it gets.
ari shaffir
I'm glad you found that, because when I said it was melting, and then we were like, how hot does that have to be?
I'm like, could this be a false memory?
If it looked like you're dead wrong.
joe rogan
There was a thought at one point in time, like there was a suggestion to paint all the roads white.
To try to eliminate some of the heat that comes in cities, which really makes sense.
You look at all the streets, they're all black.
Black is the worst in terms of reflecting the sun.
It makes it very hot.
And they were going to paint everything white.
ari shaffir
What happened?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think they probably realized that cost a lot of money.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good idea.
Who's going to do that?
joe rogan
So, did you go back to New York?
You're in New York.
ari shaffir
Back to New York.
Got a new place.
joe rogan
You were in South America for how many months?
ari shaffir
Ces meses.
Six months.
joe rogan
How do you say that?
ari shaffir
Ces.
joe rogan
Ces meses?
ari shaffir
Meses.
joe rogan
Is meses a month?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Plural.
joe rogan
How good are you at speaking Spanish?
ari shaffir
It got a lot better, for sure, for sure.
joe rogan
Because you can have conversations with people?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I mean, okay, so if you put me in, like, legal situation, I'm like, oh, I don't come across these words much.
Or like the dentist.
I'm like, this is all new.
joe rogan
What if you say, how do I buy marijuana?
ari shaffir
It's already dropped a little bit.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
To purchase.
Fuck, I forgot that word.
joe rogan
You lived with a family.
Mota.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mota marijuana?
ari shaffir
No, mota is marijuana.
joe rogan
Oh, mota.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is funny.
Marijuana is a Mexican word.
ari shaffir
You'd be like Tienes Mota?
unidentified
Tienes Mota.
ari shaffir
Do you have mota?
joe rogan
Why is it mota?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
Instead of marijuana?
joe rogan
Well, marijuana is...
ari shaffir
I think they call it marijuana, though.
joe rogan
That word comes from a Mexican word for wild tobacco.
It's a slang for wild tobacco.
That's why they used it during the scare days.
During the Harry Anslinger...
ari shaffir
The wild, like, black guys are going to fuck your wives if you smoke weed.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's what they did to try to scare people.
They called it marijuana because if they called it cannabis, people knew that that was used for hemp.
And that was already used as textile and it was already a commodity.
And so to ban it, they had to make sure that they made it something exotic.
So they called it marijuana and all these people freaked out.
It's funny that they don't even use that term in Mexico.
ari shaffir
Really?
It was just stolen from them?
joe rogan
You're saying mota.
ari shaffir
You could find it there, but it was difficult.
I don't know if it was COVID stuff.
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
ari shaffir
Because the nightclubs weren't open, and that's where people were like, go to the nightclubs, but that's where I'd get it, but they're not really open right now.
joe rogan
Interesting.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so when we found some, we found some, and we were like, it took like a week and a half, two weeks, and we're like, fuck, we might not get some.
We kept looking at people that were smoking, like, can we go up to them and say, can I buy some off you?
But that's so weird.
Like, if you were smoking with me and someone's like, can I buy some weed?
You'd be like, no.
Even if it was legal, I'd be like, this is mine.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, you have to worry about organized crime, right?
You have to worry about getting wrapped up with the wrong humans.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I wasn't a worry there.
joe rogan
You weren't in a bad spot?
ari shaffir
That's just Guayaquil.
The rest was all pretty cool.
That's just where?
Guayaquil.
That's where the gangs are.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ari shaffir
It's the biggest city.
joe rogan
This is in Ecuador?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
But then when we found some, we were like, do you have?
And he was like, yeah, I can get some tomorrow.
I can make my buddy to a head shop.
He's like, I'll bring it back tomorrow.
So he did.
And he goes, how much do you want?
And we're like...
joe rogan
A pound.
ari shaffir
Well, yeah.
So I go, how much is it?
He goes, it's like a dollar a gram, so I can get 30 grams for 30 bucks.
And I was like, oh, I don't know if we want like an ounce, maybe just like a quarter ounce.
And my partner was like, no, we're going to take an ounce.
It's $30, even if it's terrible.
And it's so strong.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
So strong.
joe rogan
Like California weed.
ari shaffir
No.
Stronger.
Okay.
Not as strong.
More psychedelic.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
I was sitting smoking in the Amazon and I started seeing lines.
Like lines in the horizon.
Like you know when you're like tripping a little?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was like that.
It wasn't that it would obliterate me the way like heavy like I don't know Blue Dream would do.
But like, yeah, you would get these psychedelic waves.
joe rogan
You think it was laced?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
For sure.
joe rogan
With what?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
People said they put acid on it, but I don't think you can like smoke acid.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
ari shaffir
So, Jamie.
joe rogan
Can you smoke acid?
ari shaffir
Next on Looking It Up with Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
I'm thinking about the lines.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was weird.
And we were like, oh, maybe I just haven't smoked in a while.
And then both of us were like, no, we're potheads.
So there's no like, we know what this is.
joe rogan
Something different.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huh.
ari shaffir
It was wild.
And then we went back and we're like, do you have anything not so strong?
And he goes, I can get some fluffier flour.
And it was 30 bucks for one gram.
joe rogan
Oh.
ari shaffir
And it wasn't as strong.
Their whole system was fucked.
joe rogan
Wasn't as strong, but it's more pure, so they're giving you some shit that's...
ari shaffir
I don't know.
It was all mushed down, like, you know, it's wet and like smushed.
joe rogan
I bet it had a little acid.
ari shaffir
It had to have something in it.
It had to.
We thought about it over and over again.
joe rogan
You've done acid many times.
You know what acid feels like.
Did it feel like acid?
ari shaffir
It felt a little bit like that.
joe rogan
Interesting.
But doesn't edibles feel a little bit like acid?
At times?
ari shaffir
Do you think so?
joe rogan
I think when you close your eyes...
How many times have you done that?
ari shaffir
Yeah, maybe when you start seeing stuff when your eyes are closed.
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Edibles get pretty psychedelic at high doses when you're closing your eyes and it's dark out.
ari shaffir
They just bury me.
joe rogan
Yeah, but when you close your eyes, you see wild shit.
ari shaffir
And you start seeing stuff?
joe rogan
I remember I was on a plane once and I saw these neon cartoons fucking.
It was just all these neon cartoons just fucking and making more neon cartoons.
They were just constantly making...
But they were like neon, like really bright.
ari shaffir
Humanoids?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Sort of humanoid, but some of them were like Goofy or Donald Duck-ish.
You know, just like cartoonish.
But they were all trying to fuck.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And they were all like made out of neon.
They were almost like...
No.
Well, I was awake, yeah, but I had my eyes completely closed.
I was obliterated.
Obliterated.
ari shaffir
There's no way to fly.
joe rogan
I was just closing my eyes, and I was just watching these things happen.
They were just almost like fractal.
They were giving birth and making new cartoons and fucking each other.
ari shaffir
Damn.
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was wild.
ari shaffir
I've never had that on edibles.
That's cool.
joe rogan
I was so blasted.
I think that was one of the trips with Joey, where he would give you those chibichus and...
You didn't know what you're doing.
ari shaffir
You don't know what you're doing.
joe rogan
Until halfway in.
ari shaffir
See him smiling and you're like, fuck!
joe rogan
I can't get out of this.
ari shaffir
You can't get out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And his ability to absorb them is insane.
It's just so stunning how much he can put in his body and tolerate.
ari shaffir
He's like, I saw him the other day, and he's like, I barely even do any intervals.
I get high, and I'm like, I forgot the number he gave me, like 100 milligrams.
I'm like, that's massive still!
That's way more than anyone!
joe rogan
100 milligrams is a good dose.
ari shaffir
People take five, people take 30, and that's like a pro.
You're on dad's level.
joe rogan
My favorite thing to do with air travel is a 200 milligram dose.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
If you know you've got to be in a plane for six hours, if you know you've got to be in a plane for six hours, you know you could just curl up in that chair and just be obliterated for five hours.
ari shaffir
The old breast strip days would get me, 25 would get me that for six hours.
joe rogan
Those were so inconsistent.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they were.
Sometimes they would get you nothing.
joe rogan
And sometimes you'd be fucked.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You never knew.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Never knew.
unidentified
It sounds like you cannot smoke LST. Interesting.
ari shaffir
What can you lace weed with?
jamie vernon
Fentanyl, I've heard of a lot.
ari shaffir
Hell yeah, I'm a huge fentanyl fan now then.
Or PCP. Oh, maybe that.
jamie vernon
But like they would have had to spray it on there or something.
joe rogan
I bet you had PCP. I don't know how you would have done that.
Do you know that PCP is essentially the same thing as ketamine?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't know that.
ari shaffir
Interesting.
I wouldn't know that, no.
joe rogan
Dr. Carl Hart explained that to me.
Wild, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Would never think.
Although, like, PCP is the crazy drug.
You run through walls and fight the cops.
ari shaffir
Yeah, right?
Yeah, jump out of a building and get right back up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't give a fuck.
Run through a glass window.
ari shaffir
Well, they mislabel a lot of drugs sometimes where they're like, this guy was on, like...
They had marijuana systems.
You're like, no, no, no, no, no.
It was bath salts.
Or they call it something and you find out later what it actually is because they're too much of a nerd to actually know there's a new drug in the market.
joe rogan
The bath salt days were hilarious.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember those days?
unidentified
Eating face?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
The eating face guy.
joe rogan
That guy ate some dude's face.
ari shaffir
And a cop was like, lost it.
He was like, I don't know what to do.
He was like, stop eating his fucking face.
And he just shot the guy.
He was like, stop eating his face immediately.
joe rogan
Bro, have you ever talked to cops about some of the things they've seen?
ari shaffir
I like dark stuff.
I should now from now on.
joe rogan
I had a conversation recently with a cop who's telling me some horrible shit.
He caught a guy as he murdered his wife in front of their kids.
He was there as he murdered her on top of her strangling her.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They got there.
She was already dead.
They tried to revive her.
But the kids were screaming at the guy.
He got out of jail and was telling everybody- Got out of jail?
Telling everybody when he gets out of jail he's going to kill her.
So he got out of jail.
ari shaffir
And then killed her.
joe rogan
And then killed her.
But they got there right as- Her last breath.
He was on top of her.
He had been choking her for who knows how many minutes.
And the kids had been screaming for who knows how long.
ari shaffir
What did they do?
Did they shoot him?
Did they push him off?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I didn't ask.
I didn't ask.
ari shaffir
There's that moment too where you bust in and you have to see it and analyze the situation and then run and push.
joe rogan
I guess they'd known of the guy and they knew the situation, people in the neighborhood.
ari shaffir
Damn!
joe rogan
That's why when people say defund the police and use social workers to deal with domestic violence cases, I'm like, you're out of your fucking mind.
You're out of your fucking mind.
First of all, they're the most dangerous cases for cops.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And they would just be as dangerous for a social worker, but they wouldn't be equipped to handle that in terms of building the use force.
ari shaffir
The ones in Oz were always getting fucked up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Oz.
ari shaffir
I was like, I'm not equipped with this.
Remember in the movies when every cop was like, I'm not seeing a shrink!
And now you're like, why wouldn't you?
Are you crazy after seeing a man murder his wife in front of his kids?
For sure see a shrink.
unidentified
Yeah, that was just one of many things this guy told me.
joe rogan
He's seen a lot of horrible shit.
He's seen a lot of horrible shit.
And, you know, those guys, every time they go on a call, they could run into that.
Look, I'm not defending bad cops ever, you know?
Bad cops are like bad everything else.
There's just bad people.
There's people that suck.
They suck at everything.
They suck at being a waiter.
They suck at being a garbage man.
But when you suck at being a cop and you're a piece of shit who turns out to be a cop, it's horrible for everybody.
But I think...
ari shaffir
Those are the guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are the problems.
ari shaffir
But those are the ones also you should befriend.
Because they can bend the rules for you.
You know what I mean?
It's dangerous when they're not on your side, so get them on your side.
joe rogan
There's guys that just like the power.
ari shaffir
Everyone does.
You give someone a gun?
I mean, immediately you've got to be like, people are scared of me now.
joe rogan
Not just that, but you're always worried that someone's going to shoot you, and you've got to be ready.
There's another thing I've been watching a lot lately, is cops pulling people over and then getting shot.
ari shaffir
Damn.
That's your algorithm?
joe rogan
There's a lot of those videos.
There's a lot of those videos you can watch where cops are pulling people over and they say, license, and they're getting shot at before they even have a chance.
ari shaffir
The guy was just ready for him to come up.
joe rogan
Guy in the backseat shooting out the window, tinted windows.
That's why every time they go up to a car that has tinted windows, they're freaking the fuck out.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Especially if there's tinted back windows, right?
They're rolling up to the front and the back's all tinted.
They don't know who's in there.
Fuck.
This video that I was watching, this cop was getting shot at through the backseat.
ari shaffir
They gotta have, um, what's that shit you can see through into the...
joe rogan
Infrared or something?
Infrared, yeah.
ari shaffir
The stuff they use in Predator.
joe rogan
Oh, that kind of shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
See who's there, see what they carry.
It's probably illegal, but...
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what the fuck the solution to that is.
Because, like, you're...
You're gonna pull over criminals.
ari shaffir
You gotta pull people over for driving, though.
Too fast.
You gotta be like, hey, stop.
I have to give you some repercussions.
joe rogan
Or, you know, what if you pull over someone and you, you know, because you read their plate and maybe they're driving erratically and the guy reads their plate and he goes, oh, this is a wanted felon.
So now you gotta hit the lights and maybe it's just you and your partner.
And then, you know, you got a car with maybe four criminals in it who have guns.
Who the fuck knows?
ari shaffir
Why would you do it?
Why would that even be a job?
joe rogan
It's a crazy job.
But someone's got to do it, right?
Because you see what's going on right now in New York City, where they've defunded the police, and they've got shootings all over the place, and their homicide rate is way up.
ari shaffir
Well, not all over the place.
joe rogan
Well, not in the East Village, right?
ari shaffir
No, maybe it's up there.
It ain't around me.
It's a utopia where I live.
joe rogan
Is it?
ari shaffir
Oh, it's great.
unidentified
Utopia?
ari shaffir
I mean, you have some people pissing in the streets, but like...
joe rogan
Bumsmen?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And adults.
Drinking, dude.
You can drink on the street still.
joe rogan
Oh, because it's changed.
The change, the law changed.
ari shaffir
2 p.m., you're carrying a fucking...
You're bombed.
You're wearing a suit.
You just piss.
joe rogan
Is the whole law changed?
Like, it used to be you can't have an open container on the street.
ari shaffir
I mean, when you talk about defund the police and the dangers of what they want to crack down on, can you imagine them cracking down on a Budweiser?
joe rogan
Not after all this shit.
ari shaffir
No way.
Not after this year.
That's the lightest of their concerns.
I mean, before we got legalized last year, you'd walk right up to them with a joint and a beer.
Like, which way is whatever?
And they would just be like, you're taking a chance, dude.
It's that way.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
They wouldn't care.
joe rogan
They didn't care.
ari shaffir
Also, they wanted people outside.
Everyone was like, during all that fucking craziness, it was like, just be outside.
I don't know.
Don't murder.
joe rogan
Isn't it wild how much the world's changed in a year and a half?
It's wild.
I don't think everybody's totally realized how much the world's changed.
ari shaffir
It happens in little increments, and so you sort of keep accepting the small increments.
And you've already forgotten the go outside with ski gloves and a ski mask on, like March 15th of the year before.
We're like, fuck, fuck, get away from me, you're too close.
That seems like, no.
But that was a real thing?
Buying canned kale?
Because you're like, are the trucks going to stop coming in?
We need calories in the house.
joe rogan
Yeah, and people didn't know how long it stayed on surfaces.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh, wiping it down.
joe rogan
Remember there was that one cruise ship?
And the cruise ship, a bunch of people got it and they got stuck on the boat.
ari shaffir
You scared the shit out of me on that.
Because it was like, you were like, dude, 17 days after every...
That's your impression.
unidentified
17 days after everyone was off, they were still coming out that way.
joe rogan
Does anybody do a good impression of me where it actually sounds like me?
There's a lot of really good Jordan Peterson impressions.
There's a lot of really good...
ari shaffir
I'm trying to think if anyone does a good Joe Roe.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
ari shaffir
I just felt the vibe when I was saying it.
joe rogan
A little intense?
ari shaffir
Yeah, a little intense.
Oh my god!
unidentified
Some of this wood is chipped in from Tennessee!
ari shaffir
And you're like, oh wow, that's crazy.
I'm like, wait, that's not that much.
Yeah, but you were like, it's still alive on surfaces 17 days after everyone's off the fucking boat, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is true.
They found it on surfaces.
But the thing is, you can't really catch it off surfaces.
They didn't know that then.
They thought you were catching it from touching things, but you're really catching it from the air.
ari shaffir
Yeah, someone sneezes in your face.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, not just that, just breathing.
And apparently this new Delta variant, this new variant.
ari shaffir
I'm done with this thing.
unidentified
Are you?
ari shaffir
Done thinking about it.
joe rogan
You give a fuck?
ari shaffir
I had a mask ceremony.
As soon as I got my two weeks, I did it, told my mom, like, I'll perform outdoors until it's done.
As soon as I got back, the shot the next day.
Second that two-week thing was done, I think it was June 1st, I walked from my old apartment to my new apartment, stopped in the park, put some Palo Santo out, lit it up, burned a mask ceremoniously, and just said, I'm done with this.
joe rogan
Done.
ari shaffir
I'm not thinking about it.
joe rogan
Interesting.
ari shaffir
So, I'm on public policy.
joe rogan
Are you taking vitamins?
ari shaffir
Nah.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
I mean, you know, occasionally I take Barocas.
No, I'm done with it.
joe rogan
What's a Barocca?
Barocas?
ari shaffir
It's like a multi...
joe rogan
Oh.
ari shaffir
It's got all the shit in it.
joe rogan
But you should take vitamins just for your health.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
I mean, what are you talking about?
I don't have it in here.
joe rogan
You done?
You don't give a fuck?
ari shaffir
I don't give a fuck.
Wow.
It's just like, I'm not going to think about it.
Whatever.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
It's like, it's holding my life back to be thinking about.
joe rogan
That's true.
ari shaffir
To be arguing with people all the time.
joe rogan
That is true.
ari shaffir
I'm not changing anything.
So, when it's shut down, let me know.
joe rogan
That's true.
It does hold your life back.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and it's like I can't have an effect on it.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
But you can take care of your body.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Put your body in a better position that if something happens.
I know four people that have it right now.
ari shaffir
How are they, though?
joe rogan
One of them's not so good.
One of them feels like shit.
And one of them is just kind of coughing, and he got through it.
One of them just got it.
I haven't talked to her.
I don't know how bad she got it.
ari shaffir
Girls get it now?
joe rogan
Girls get it.
I know two people that are vaccinated that got it.
ari shaffir
Where the fuck is this Barocca?
I want you to look at it, actually.
Tell me if it's good stuff.
joe rogan
The vitamins?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Hey, Jamie, can you look at what's in a Barocca?
unidentified
Have you ever heard of that?
joe rogan
You ever heard of Barocca?
ari shaffir
This is Edinburgh Hangover Cure.
That's what they told me.
It's just full of fucking vitamins.
If you take two, your piss is neon.
joe rogan
My piss is always neon.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you take those things.
joe rogan
I take vitamins every day.
ari shaffir
It's a good idea.
I just don't do it.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
ari shaffir
The one on the left.
Yeah, what's in that?
joe rogan
Barocca.
Vitamin A. It's effervescent.
ari shaffir
That's right.
joe rogan
Does that mean you put it in water?
ari shaffir
Put it in water.
Hell of vitamin C. Thousand milligrams?
joe rogan
Eh, that's not that much.
ari shaffir
You're not that much.
Thiamine?
joe rogan
Oh my god, how weird.
ari shaffir
Sorry, I take it back.
This is your podcast.
joe rogan
B12? That's not a lot, dude.
There's not a lot of stuff in there.
unidentified
Oh.
ari shaffir
10 milligrams of zinc?
joe rogan
B6? 10 milligrams?
What kind of bullshit is that?
ari shaffir
It gets you better.
Where's the D? There's no D. So I would take this and a vitamin D during the height of everything.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ari shaffir
And a 5,000 vitamin D. Oh, it's got a guarana.
joe rogan
It's got guarana in there, so it's got caffeine.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
44 milligrams of caffeine.
ari shaffir
It said like one coffee cup.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's to make you feel good.
That's what the caffeine does.
It tricks you.
ari shaffir
Anyway, you're not hungover if you take that before and after.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Works?
ari shaffir
Pops you right back up.
joe rogan
Have you tried like, is that better than like emergency or one of those things?
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Way better than emergency.
Not quite as good as that liquid IV stuff.
joe rogan
Liquid IV's the shit.
ari shaffir
Liquid IV's great.
joe rogan
That's the shit.
ari shaffir
But those barocas are like, and it's not really available here in pharmacies, but all over Europe and Thailand too and like other places you can just get them.
And it's just like one before you drink, one the next morning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's this stuff called Athletic Greens.
That's a good way to go, too, because it's so easy and it tastes good.
You just pour it into a glass of water and mix it up or a bottle of water, shake it up.
That's easy.
ari shaffir
You ever drink that baby stuff?
joe rogan
Oh, um...
Pedialyte.
ari shaffir
Pedialyte, yeah.
And it's like...
But choke it down.
You're going to get fucking fucked up tonight.
Choke that shit down and feel better.
joe rogan
Just to hydrate your body?
unidentified
It's a party, dude.
joe rogan
Well, it's definitely good if people are really dehydrated.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think you're supposed to take that and water.
I don't think you're supposed to take it pure.
ari shaffir
No, Pedialyte?
joe rogan
You mix it.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
Or it comes bottled already.
It comes in a bottle.
joe rogan
So in the bottle one, you just drink that pure?
ari shaffir
But you're supposed to choke it all down.
Before you do a lot of drugs or music festivals, that's when you're like...
joe rogan
So you super hydrate up before you do it.
ari shaffir
You're gonna forget.
joe rogan
That's a good move, right?
Because, like, you don't wanna...
That's, like, the same thing they say about, like, hot yoga.
You don't wanna show up and then start drinking water.
ari shaffir
You wanna have it standard.
joe rogan
Yeah, you wanna be hydrated before you ever get through the door.
ari shaffir
In basketball, they say, like, drink water all through the day, so you should almost not have to drink during the game.
joe rogan
Ah.
ari shaffir
You know?
joe rogan
Makes sense.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but, like, no cramping and shit.
But, like, yeah, because you're not gonna remember.
You've done it where you're drinking, like, remember to drink a glass of water after every...
Drink, but you don't.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
My buddy partied once with Jean-Claude Van Damme.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He said Jean-Claude Van Damme brought a gallon of water with him.
And he would take a drink of his drink and then chug the water.
And he's like, whoa.
He goes, this guy's a fucking professional partier.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like he was a fit, you know, guy.
He was like this, like, you know, ripped, shredded guy who also wanted to party.
So he was taking care of his body and drinking at the same time.
Who the fuck does that?
ari shaffir
It's the best when you wake up.
I'll be drinking with DeRosa or something.
And then the next day he's like, I feel terrible.
Because you didn't drink the water.
I feel fine.
And you feel like you've accomplished something.
Knowing they have had hangovers and you don't.
joe rogan
You look like you really happen when people suffer.
ari shaffir
Their pain.
Their pain is my gain.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
That's really what hangovers are, right?
It's dehydrated.
It's the same feeling you get when you're severely dehydrated.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, your fucking head's hurting.
That's what it is.
ari shaffir
I need some water in me.
You can't even get to the fucking sink.
joe rogan
It's such a horrible feeling.
It's amazing that alcohol makes you feel like shit so bad and yet so many people drink it.
ari shaffir
It's so good during it.
joe rogan
During it, it's wonderful.
You feel so happy.
Like last night, we were all at dinner, drinking wine, laughing, having so much fun.
Fun times.
Those comedian dinners are fucking fun.
ari shaffir
I was with Shane the night before, and we left that show at the Vulcan Theater.
And I was like, all right, let's go back to Tim's place.
We stayed at Tim's place.
And I was like, well, let's fucking, let's go to a backyard bar around something, you know?
Let's do some Austin shit.
And he's like, no, I got Rogan tomorrow.
I was like, well, then fucking sit there and I'll drink.
But then, of course, he's like, well, let me have one or two.
And then I'm like, I'm just keep killing it.
You can't go for one or two.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Then it's like you're already there.
joe rogan
Especially what he drinks.
Bud Lights.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you can keep going.
joe rogan
Those are ridiculous.
We drank a bunch of those yesterday.
ari shaffir
He goes long.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Like, he can just stay.
He's also like a fucking big oaf, so it's like you can just keep pounding him down.
joe rogan
Well, he's got a strategy, too.
Like, his strategy is drink a low-alcohol beer and just drink them constantly.
We were talking yesterday about that's how people used to exist back in the day.
They drank beer all day.
Everybody did, even kids.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Little kids drank beer.
Yeah, you couldn't just drink water.
There was so much bad water back then.
ari shaffir
Yeah, beer saved the world, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, literally.
Yeah, because the alcohol in beer and wine, it kept it from getting toxic.
ari shaffir
It seems like that once you get beer in it, it doesn't give you the hydration anymore.
joe rogan
It does.
It just, the alcohol takes away some of it.
Alcohol is, it dehydrates you.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's so funny.
Kids are drinking beer.
joe rogan
That's what they drank.
Everybody drank beer.
At one point in time, everybody drank beer or wine.
And they drank water when they can get it, like if you're drinking out of a nice stream or something like that.
ari shaffir
It was like Waterworld.
joe rogan
So much stagnant water was fucking disgusting.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We live in great times.
joe rogan
We live in amazing times.
ari shaffir
I love how angry everybody gets.
You're like, guys, it's a fucking kill it here.
It's so fucking fun.
Everything's great.
joe rogan
Well, I've said this before, I'll say it again.
Someone told me this, and it's a brilliant thing.
The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, even if it's not that bad.
And that's the problem with everybody today.
ari shaffir
Well, yeah, you're pointing it at, I have this much anger, this much happiness, so you point it to whatever it is.
And even also, the opposite happens, where if you're like, I mean, we'd see these houses in the Amazon and it was like, fuck, this is dank.
But you're like, hey, we got a new, you know, chicken.
Everyone's like still partying on the same level as you party when you get a Miata.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's their life.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they shoot a monkey and they cook it and they're all happy.
unidentified
They're like, sweet!
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Steve Rinella went to, I guess it was Guyana, and they hunted monkeys.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
And they were eating monkeys, and he tried it.
He ate monkey.
He said it tasted like smoked turkey, the way they ate it.
But that was like their favorite meal.
They would kill all kinds of animals to stay alive.
I mean, they were a complete subsistence hunting.
Yeah, I'm trying to remember the name of the tribe.
I can't...
ari shaffir
In East Timor, they told me, this guy told me, some fucking gay guy was hitting on me hard.
joe rogan
Nice.
Still got it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I register as homo in East Timor for sure.
It was a few times.
I'm like, what am I putting out?
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you putting out?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Too friendly.
ari shaffir
But he was like, when I was a kid, we'd for sure hunt and eat monkey.
And then it became like out of favor.
joe rogan
Out of favor?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
ari shaffir
Maybe a disease or something?
joe rogan
I forget what the fucking tribe is.
It's a cool name for the tribe.
But he spent multiple weeks there.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they hunted monkeys and different birds and some deer.
They hunted all kinds of things, but what they really liked was monkeys.
It was like their favorite thing to eat, which is really crazy.
ari shaffir
Guinea pig.
I had that a lot.
joe rogan
David Cho said he went with the Hadza in Africa and they hunted baboons.
And he said when the arrow hits the baboons, they grab it.
ari shaffir
No way.
joe rogan
Like a person went like, ah!
It's like, it's fucked.
They don't have any game left, because there's been so much poaching.
The painter.
ari shaffir
The artist?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
He's got amazing photos.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's a wild, wild dude.
He's so interesting.
He's such a fucking intense person, and he just decided to, I mean, he's worth- Have some fun.
He's worth like a half a billion dollars or something crazy.
ari shaffir
Is he the one that did the Facebook thing?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
ari shaffir
He took it on like, Pay Me Later based on stocks?
Yeah.
The startup?
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
I'll just do a mural for you, whatever.
joe rogan
Some ungodly amount of money.
And you would never know.
ari shaffir
No.
And he wouldn't have known then, this is going to turn into blood money.
When Facebook turned into the most evil corporation.
Turning brother against brother.
Fucking ruining everybody in society.
joe rogan
It's crazy what they are now.
ari shaffir
It should be illegal.
joe rogan
Did you hear Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, said today that if you're banned from one social media platform, you should be banned from all of them?
ari shaffir
You should be banned from all of them.
joe rogan
Yes, and everybody's like, what the fuck?
Like, she's encouraging people to be banned from social media platforms?
ari shaffir
Also, what if you're just banned from, like, posting a dick or something?
joe rogan
She's talking about it as disinformation, if you're banned for disinformation or misinformation.
ari shaffir
Cut you out of the world.
Cut your ability.
joe rogan
All this talk scares the fuck out of me.
It is, because people are just using it to their benefit politically, and they don't understand this slippery slope.
Because if a Republican gets in power, and then they start doing that to liberals, you just don't understand.
You can't give anybody that kind of power.
ari shaffir
And what happens when the disinformation turns out to be true?
joe rogan
Like this whole lab leak theory.
The lab leak theory, you would get banned from Facebook just 10 months ago.
ari shaffir
The fucking, what's it called, medication?
joe rogan
Ivermectin?
ari shaffir
No, the one Trump was saying.
joe rogan
Hydroxychloroquine?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And people are like, you're an idiot.
And people are like, actually, I think it's starting to work, right?
Or am I wrong on that?
joe rogan
I think there's some evidence that there's some benefit to hydroxychloroquine.
Yeah, and because he said it, you couldn't even- It's so hard to tell with these things.
Because things like hydroxychloroquine, and particularly ivermectin, they are generic items.
It means they've been around so long that anybody can make them.
So if you owned a pharmaceutical company, you could compound ivermectin and sell it.
Which is crazy.
ari shaffir
I do, and I will.
joe rogan
You should.
And if you do that, you don't make much money because it's not that expensive because everybody can make it.
So this is like a problem when- For Pfizer.
For Pfizer.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Or for Moderna or whoever the fuck is making these things.
So if you're just- I'm not saying be cynical, but just be objective and understand that all of these companies, all of them, whether it's Pfizer or Moderna or Johnson& Johnson, they've all been in trouble for doing nefarious shit.
All of them.
You can Google it.
ari shaffir
It's an obvious thing.
joe rogan
You can Google how many times Pfizer's been sued.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Once you put money in there, it's like, then they're just incentivized.
You push the needle somewhat towards doing the wrong thing or telling a senator, like, come on.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
Get rid of the...
They don't want you just drinking more water.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
How's that helping them?
joe rogan
Right.
There's no incentive to tell people, this is what you should take as far as a vitamin protocol.
This is what you should do as far as exercise.
Everybody needs this amount of sleep to optimize your immune system.
This is how you can get rid of stress.
The White House is going to give you a planned meditation session, and we'll lead you through this.
We're going to guide you through this meditation session, and it's going to help everybody relax.
No, they're not doing that.
They're telling you they're going to ban people from misinformation, and you should be banned from everything.
ari shaffir
The social media gets you into an algorithm that gets you into looking at, let's just say it's false information.
It pushes you to seek out more and more of that false stuff, or like that side, or this side, or the right side, or the left side, or the upside.
joe rogan
Is that what Facebook does?
Yeah.
Different ones do different things, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, but they all, like, once you start searching something, it sees you're interested, pushes you further and further to that.
joe rogan
I always use your example of when you did that thing with puppies.
ari shaffir
The puppies?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That really worked.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Spend a week, click on nothing but puppy videos.
Search some puppy videos to start with, then it'll give you whatever.
Somebody who uploads to YouTube for me, to my YouTube account, she uses my account.
She's putting it in there.
And she's like, why are there so many dog relaxation videos?
I'm like, oh, that's from a fucking bandit, man.
But now she's watching them, so now it's gone over to her YouTube.
It's just popping up by suggestions.
Do you want 15 hours of dog relaxation?
joe rogan
Dog relaxation?
ari shaffir
It's when they have, like, fireworks.
You gotta drown it out.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
ari shaffir
The fireworks.
joe rogan
Oh, for dogs?
ari shaffir
So we're having a great time.
A great time.
And then one M80 or whatever goes off.
Ten blocks away.
Their tail goes down.
They start shivering.
joe rogan
Imagine what that must sound like to them.
ari shaffir
They don't know what it is.
joe rogan
Giant ass ears.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they don't know what it is.
joe rogan
Right.
But it also must hurt.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
Good point.
joe rogan
They have giant ears.
Right?
They can hear so much shit that you can never hear.
ari shaffir
Ugh.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
So, it must be deafening for them.
That's why I've always wondered, like, when hunting dogs, when they take dogs out, like, hunting birds and shit, and the dogs are out in the field, and they're just shooting shotguns off, like, what is that dog doing?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Muffle that shit.
joe rogan
When I went with Bourdain, we went pigeon hunting, or not pigeon hunting, pheasant hunting, and he shot at one too close to my head.
Like, I was right here, and he shot at one, like, right there, bang!
And I didn't know he was doing that, and it was like, oh, fuck!
ari shaffir
Yeah, damage.
Damn.
It's loud.
joe rogan
A 12-gauge shotgun or whatever it was.
I think it was a 12-gauge.
Boom!
Fuck.
Like, I didn't know he was going to do that.
I should have had ears on.
I should have had, like, you know, like...
ari shaffir
Plugs?
joe rogan
No, well, they have these things that allow you to hear everything outside, but when it hits a certain decibel, it cuts off.
ari shaffir
Whoa, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, you take them to the gun range.
Like, I wear them at the gun range.
They look like these, but they have, like, a switch on them.
And I turn the switch.
I can turn the volume up or down.
I can actually make it so that I can hear better.
ari shaffir
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can hear better.
I can hear things that I could never hear without them.
And then when the gun goes off, you hear it very low.
It cuts it off to a very low amount of decibels.
So it's totally tolerable.
ari shaffir
I remember at concerts now, and they'll have places like Webster Hall.
You just go to the bar for two bucks, you can get earplugs.
I think they might all have them now, but you forget you have them in, you really shove them in there.
And then when you come outside afterwards, you're still talking normal, and you pull it out, and you're just like, fuck, so many more levels.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that concerts are so loud you have to have earplugs?
Like, why are they doing that?
ari shaffir
You just sit up there.
Sit up there with a guitar.
You ever go to Ireland, and they're just like, a guy playing, you can barely hear it, two tables over.
And you're like, this is It's lovely.
It's great.
joe rogan
But those guys all go to death.
Like the lead singer from ACDC, he can't even fucking perform anymore.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
His ears are so fucked.
His head's so fucked.
Like, it blows their ears apart.
You know how you get in someone's car and they got shitty old speakers?
It's like...
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's this guy's head.
His speakers are blown.
Like, his internal ears are blown.
Yeah.
It happens to all of them.
ari shaffir
And for what?
Some jock rock?
joe rogan
ACDC? How dare you?
ari shaffir
I'll stay with it.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ari shaffir
I'll stick with it.
Fuckin' jock rock.
unidentified
It's a long way to the top if you wanna rock and roll.
ari shaffir
You say that with your knee, I'm a nerd.
joe rogan
They got some good fuckin' songs.
ari shaffir
I know.
joe rogan
They got some good fuckin' songs.
It's interesting that their music is so distinct.
Like, if you hear a song...
ari shaffir
It's his voice.
And the guitar.
joe rogan
Yeah, the guitar.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I love when you can hear a band just from the setup.
And you're like, oh, that sounds like a new whatever.
That sounds like new Black Keys.
That sounds like new whatever.
And you're like, yep.
You're just like, how?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, Black Keys, they have that quality, for sure.
They have that, like...
But their music varies so much.
They do so much experimenting, you know?
They have...
So many of their albums have, like, a very distinctive flavor.
Like, some of it's, like, real old-school blues sounding.
ari shaffir
For sure it's based on that.
joe rogan
Some of it's more experimental, you know?
Gold on the ceiling and that kind of shit, you know?
ari shaffir
That's still the bluesy stuff.
joe rogan
Kind of.
ari shaffir
Gold on the ceiling.
joe rogan
They have so many good songs, man.
Those guys, I mean, if you want just like a can't miss band, I've never listened to a bad Black Key song.
ari shaffir
Me and Jason in Ottawa, playing at a festival, they had to wait for so long because it was heavy, heavy winds, high winds.
It was like, I think it had destroyed a tent the day before somewhere.
And we kept looking at them, and one of the big clamps swung free and was just this massive, like...
Like an S-hook, this big, just swinging.
- Oh Jesus Christ. - They had to get it.
Yeah, and we were in the artist area.
I didn't know, this was one of my first festivals, Ottawa Blues Fest, but Jay went on the road with like, on the Korn tour and stuff.
So he knows we can go to the sound booth, and I'm like, that's just for artists.
He goes, we're artists.
I'm like, but they'll know we're not.
He goes, it's not that we're not, we are.
Just because we were doing comedy, we're artists in this festival.
I'm like, that doesn't make sense.
We went on stage.
He had it right.
But I saw them at Kraft Food and stuff, and I was like, you guys gonna go on?
It was like 20 minutes later after they're supposed to, and they just kind of looked, and then they didn't know me, but I was like, you can just say you don't know yet.
But eventually I did, and he got us in between Like, where the guys have to throw the mosh pitters back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He got us in that area.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
ari shaffir
Yeah, we're just watching it from like eight feet away.
As close as that fucking mushroom is.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and we're just like, this is fucking cool.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
It's just the two of them.
Or it was then, anyway.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, those guys are dope.
I've had them in, too.
They're cool people.
ari shaffir
You've had them in?
joe rogan
A couple times, yeah.
ari shaffir
Music videos are cool, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're cool as fuck.
Yeah, there's some music like that.
ari shaffir
What, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The reason why it's sound is not that loud.
I kind of knew the answer to this, so I was trying to pull up the answer.
When the Beatles played Shea Stadium in the 60s, the PA systems at that time weren't even loud enough to get louder than the crowd.
Wow.
According to this article, it says they stopped, not for that reason, but they stopped touring a year after that show.
ari shaffir
Because what?
They couldn't handle what they were putting out?
jamie vernon
Correct.
The PA systems couldn't get loud enough to play the venues that they were doing.
joe rogan
That's when they stopped?
ari shaffir
Because they were playing such big venues that we should be in a small club.
jamie vernon
Then in the 70s, touring sound systems became a thing.
That's sort of when DJs became a big thing.
And they could play parties out on the street corner and stuff.
joe rogan
There's a crowd of 42,000 screaming girls and they completely drowned out the PA system.
It's estimated the noise coming from the crowd was 135 decibels, more than double the output coming from the Beatles sound equipment.
ari shaffir
Double what the Beatles were doing.
Double them screaming chicks.
jamie vernon
Yes, then you had to get the science of putting amplifiers out into the crowd and doing the mass so that it's not echoing in the wrong way and feedback.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
That became a science of its own.
ari shaffir
It is a science.
When you're leaving the main stage at a festival going to the side stage and it gets softer and softer, then you hear nothing, then you hear the other stage louder and louder.
It's really interesting how it just stops at a certain place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then sometimes you can hear both right in the middle for a second.
Yeah, it's crazy, those people.
They do a great job.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's an expert thing too, right?
Because some venues are better at echoing sound.
They're better at how they've got it set up.
They sound better.
Same thing with comedy too.
The worst thing is when you go to a comedy place and the volume's not loud enough.
ari shaffir
The outdoor stuff is so shitty.
joe rogan
Oh, outdoor stuff.
ari shaffir
And we all got used to it because it got taken away from us completely, right?
So then we were like, fuck, there's no comedy.
And then it's like, hey, I didn't do the Zoom shows.
I'm assuming you didn't either.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
But then it's like, hey, there's some comedy.
There's a front patio there.
Even though we all agreed outdoor sucks, but we're like, hey, this is so much better than no comedy.
joe rogan
They're still doing outdoor, the improv on Melrose, huh?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were showing on their Instagram.
They had outdoor comedy shows in that little parking lot area.
ari shaffir
So a lot of them, I think, the stand is doing the same thing in New York where they're like, well, we built this thing.
We can go back inside, but why don't we run two shows?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
If we're sold out, why don't we run...
Oh, just real quick.
Okay.
Audience, every comedy club in the country is searching for help.
They are having trouble opening.
The Denver Comedy Works specifically, but Magoo, all of them, they cannot find help because of unemployment, because of whatever, part-time work.
If you've ever wanted to work at a comedy club...
Now's your time.
Just go in there and get an application.
They are massively searching for work.
joe rogan
I know Denver is.
That's a big one.
ari shaffir
So many.
I've talked to all of them.
I share information.
I'm like, you guys are all in the same boat.
Cooks, especially.
Wait staff.
Door guys.
If you hear us talking about how fun it is to work at a comedy club, it is fun.
Not just a comedy store.
Across the country.
Go in, get an application, and be part of some fun shit.
The pay is pretty good.
joe rogan
Does the store have a problem, too?
Does the store have a problem getting people to wait stuff?
ari shaffir
I have a vague memory of maybe.
joe rogan
My friend who owns a restaurant was saying that it's hard to get people, or it was up until recently, because they were still getting unemployment, and they didn't want to come back to work.
ari shaffir
And also, comedy clubs is Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
You're not talking about full-time work.
You're giving up the 300 bonus for 10 hours of work a week.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You know?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
But if you're looking, that's the spot.
joe rogan
Anyway, all right, that's my PSA. It's interesting, isn't it?
I mean, I'm not exactly sure what I'm talking about here, so I might be wrong, but there's people that were making a pretty decent living.
Like, they were surviving with unemployment and plus the new checks, right?
What are they getting now?
ari shaffir
Oh, well, dude, when the Trump 600 kicked in, that's why New York was a party town.
joe rogan
Was it?
ari shaffir
Well, everybody hated Trump there more than anywhere.
Maybe.
It was such a bubble.
Right.
L.A. That's L.A. too.
But that's why people look for villains around them.
But I'm like, guys, none of us are.
We're all like super liberal.
So if someone's like slightly less liberal, then you're like, it's you!
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's like because at that same strife you need.
So you just look for villains.
I'm like, guys, we're all on the right side.
joe rogan
Who's looking for villains?
ari shaffir
The people who have the anger.
joe rogan
Those people.
ari shaffir
Do you remember when...
Maybe you don't remember.
Maybe you were there.
I don't know.
What?
joe rogan
Nerd rage.
ari shaffir
Nerd rage.
But gay marriage was legal in California for a little while.
And then some judge was like, hey, this is retarded.
We're not doing this anymore.
You're allowed to get married.
And then someone challenged it, and then the high court was like, hey, we'll put it on hold until we can go to the voters.
So it wasn't like they hadn't quite yet gotten married.
They got it, and they pulled it away.
And thousands of gays marched down sunset.
And it was pretty much with their sign saying, like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Wasn't that Proposition 8?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was where I came up with that bit about the Mormons.
ari shaffir
What was it?
unidentified
Which one was it?
joe rogan
Because Mormons were one of the people that donated.
It's one of the groups that donated a large sum of money to stop gay marriage.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
And my joke was, if someone could talk to me in a Mormon, they could probably talk to me in a second.
ari shaffir
Sorry, I remember that one.
Yeah.
But anyway, then they got it, right?
They got their gay marriage.
But the rage stayed, and they got to put it somewhere.
joe rogan
The rage stayed?
ari shaffir
Yeah, people didn't suddenly get, sweet, we're done, let's all be happy.
joe rogan
Do you think that's really what it's from?
ari shaffir
No.
The rage everyone has inside them is the same.
So if you don't have a Vietnam to protest, I'll point that to somewhere.
joe rogan
Right, the rage remains at a steady level.
But a lot of it is like, it's really misplaced anger at various things that have happened to you in your life.
ari shaffir
In your own fucking life.
Yeah.
Let me point instead of looking inwards.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Almost always.
ari shaffir
But, um, what were we talking about?
Oh, yeah, so he got that $600 from Trump, and for the first time, everybody in New York was like, I mean, I don't know, I hate that, but let's get a drink.
People got raises.
People were out of work and had like $100 a week more than they had before.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
It was sweet.
And nowhere to be.
joe rogan
I wonder if he'd figured out a way to give people $2,000 and really did that on a regular basis if he would have got re-elected.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You know how they always, like, gas prices come down before an election so that they'll have, like, better feelings about the president?
joe rogan
Not before Obama got into office.
Do you remember that?
ari shaffir
It stayed high?
joe rogan
No.
They raised the fuck out of it right before.
And people were like, this is so goddamn transparent.
It was like the last few weeks of the Bush administration, they fucking jacked the price of gas up.
ari shaffir
Wait, before the election or after?
joe rogan
After the election was over, Bush was out, and they knew they were out, so Obama was coming in, and they just jacked the fucking price of gas up.
unidentified
And they're like, well, you know, the negotiations and the pipeline and this and that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They always blame me on something.
joe rogan
Okay, sure.
ari shaffir
That happened with the vaccine, too.
Like, it was like...
Four days after the election, like, hey, we got the vaccine.
And everyone's like, there's no way they'd hold back the vaccine.
I'm like, yeah, but you might hold back announcing it.
Very fishy.
At least own up to the fact that it's fishy as fuck.
joe rogan
It seems fishy.
ari shaffir
It was like election on Tuesday and by Saturday they were like, hey, it's over.
joe rogan
Way more fishy was they waited a few months and then they go, you know, this lab leak theory actually has some legs.
This actually could be real.
Really probably did come from a lab in China.
ari shaffir
What's the difference?
Does it matter about research?
Is that the difference?
Yes.
joe rogan
Gain-of-function research, which Fauci funded.
The World Health Organization, they were all giving out bad information in the beginning about this.
ari shaffir
Does that mean gain-of-function?
joe rogan
Gain of function is they take a virus and they try to make the virus more deadly to understand it.
They try to make it more infectious.
They try to add things to it.
They do this stuff where they juice up a virus and it's very dangerous research.
And according to Josh Rogan from the Washington Post who was here, he explained it all to me and explained how Fauci was the guy that restarted all this shit.
During the Obama administration, they put the kibosh on that.
They're like, it's too dangerous.
And Josh Rogan's take on it was that during the Trump administration, it was so chaotic that Fauci got to restart it again.
They did it through a second organization that was run by this guy, Peter Datzik.
And he's one of the ones that has been saying, there is no way this came from a lab.
It's impossible.
Then the Fauci emails got leaked through the Freedom of Information Act.
And in those, it's very clear that they were very concerned that it came from the lab.
So they're pretending there's no evidence that it came from a lab.
In fact, there's a lot of evidence.
And in fact, there was three people that worked in that lab in November of 2019 who got really sick and one of them died, one of them's wife died rather, from coronavirus-like symptoms.
So these were probably the first people that got hit with it.
There was a lot of evidence that it came out of that lab.
ari shaffir
I had a cough in like January of 2019 that just wouldn't go away.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ari shaffir
And it was before...
I'm not saying...
I have no idea, but like...
joe rogan
Did you ever get tested for antibodies?
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
It was before it came, right?
We didn't know what corona was yet.
We heard about it in China.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You know, I talked to...
I was skiing in Park City in like early March, talking to somebody.
I got a ski lift with this woman from Hong Kong.
I was like, how's the revolution going?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
You got it from her.
ari shaffir
No, this was after that anyway.
joe rogan
The lady was coughing on you.
ari shaffir
And she goes, nobody's cared about the revolution anymore because they're worried about this corona thing.
I was like, oh yeah, is that like a real, do you think that's a real thing?
Like it was early, you know?
But this is a month and a half before that, that I just coughed.
Went to the doctor, said this cough won't, I don't know, it's bronchitis or what, won't go away.
And he goes, yeah, you and everybody else, I don't know.
unidentified
Whoa.
Damn.
joe rogan
Well, you already got the vaccine.
ari shaffir
That would have been a year and a half later.
joe rogan
But I'm saying it would show your antibodies from the vaccine if we gave you an antibody test.
ari shaffir
Right now, it wouldn't matter.
I wish I got to you before that.
By the time I was back in New York and July or August got tested for the vaccines, got antibodies, it would have been...
Five, six months later.
joe rogan
Jamie's got antibodies from nine months out.
ari shaffir
I know, but he's a superhuman.
unidentified
He's a freak.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Look at him over there.
ari shaffir
With his ponytail.
Keeps him fucking clear of anything.
joe rogan
The nurse keeps freaking out.
She's like, I can't believe it because he keeps getting tested every few months.
ari shaffir
It's called swooning because he's stunning.
joe rogan
Strong antibodies.
Strong.
He comes in with fat, thick lines.
I don't want to talk about COVID. Yeah, it's a very tired subject, that's for sure.
So you were doing the outside shows, and is New York doing full inside shows now?
ari shaffir
Full inside.
Some places maybe still going a little spaced out, but...
joe rogan
Not really?
ari shaffir
I think they were going by what the city was allowing at first, so they had two rules.
One at first was like, you can be spaced out six feet, or full vaccine and shove them all in.
joe rogan
So the seller was like, yeah, we're What are they going to do now that people are getting it even though they've been vaccinated?
Because there's quite a few people.
Like I said, I have two friends that have gotten it.
ari shaffir
I think if they're getting it and not getting sick, then they're going to still be like...
joe rogan
No, they're sick.
ari shaffir
But then I don't know.
joe rogan
They're sick.
ari shaffir
I don't believe anything anymore.
joe rogan
It's hard to believe it.
Because one of the things from Los Angeles, they were saying that all these bad cases are people who are unvaccinated.
And then some doctors were challenging that.
And they were saying, well, that's not true.
There's a lot of my own patients that have been vaccinated that were really sick.
And people have died that have been vaccinated.
So it's...
ari shaffir
I don't trust the news anymore at all.
joe rogan
The thing is, it's not...
It's not perfect.
If you have a really compromised immune system and your body is beaten up and you've been vaccinated, you still have a really compromised immune system.
You still have a body that's been beaten up.
If you've got a bunch of comorbidities and you're also vaccinated, you're probably still fucked, right?
If you're morbidly obese and you're still vaccinated, it's not that magically protected.
ari shaffir
If you catch a cold, you're fucked.
joe rogan
You're fucked, yeah.
ari shaffir
Not that fucked, but you know.
joe rogan
It's not good.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Ralphie didn't catch anything to die.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
It was a shock he was living that long.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You know?
joe rogan
That's true.
We were always shocked, right?
ari shaffir
I saw him at Bonnaroo Music Festival, next to a stage, on a chair, just asleep, next to a band fucking, with all those amps, better than the Beatles had.
joe rogan
He's out cold.
ari shaffir
Because he had a Snickers or something.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
He's just diabetic, fucking.
joe rogan
Snickers just put him out?
ari shaffir
I heard Patrice was the same way.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Eat two candy bars, and then 30 minutes later, back up.
That's so crazy.
Like, overwhelming your body.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
ari shaffir
I was talking to my friend at the House of Comedy, and we were talking about Patrice right when it happened.
And we were like, oh my god.
And I was like, can you believe it?
And she was like, oh no.
And we were both like, oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Of course you can believe it.
ari shaffir
An angry, fat black man, yeah, could have heart disease.
joe rogan
Diabetes.
He had diabetes.
And he didn't care, like, as far as what he ate.
He ate what he wanted to eat.
You know, Patrice didn't give a fuck about anything.
ari shaffir
That's why I want to live with this COVID thing.
I just don't want to think about it.
joe rogan
It's not bad, but you should, you know, you should just protect yourself with vitamins.
ari shaffir
I eat salads.
I eat pretty healthy.
Compared to a comic dude, I'm pretty healthy.
joe rogan
That's wonderful.
Salads are good.
But salads...
ari shaffir
Full stop.
Full stop.
Thank you.
Point made.
joe rogan
Don't have a lot of vitamins in them.
And you also don't get any vitamin D from salads.
ari shaffir
Joe, you have all these tips.
You need to talk to a normal person.
Forget the IV drips.
Like I told you yesterday...
joe rogan
Normal person?
unidentified
Yes.
ari shaffir
What alcohols can we drink to get the most vaccines possible?
joe rogan
Who the fuck was telling us that whiskey is actually pretty good for you?
Who was saying that?
Someone was saying that whiskey has...
It was some sort of...
ari shaffir
Whiskey promoter?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It was what...
ari shaffir
Jimmy Laphroaig?
joe rogan
Not resveratrol.
Maybe it was not resveratrol, but another kind of antioxidant.
jamie vernon
Polyphenols.
joe rogan
That's right.
Polyphenols.
ari shaffir
Remember when they were saying weed might stop COVID for a little bit?
And people were like, smoke all day...
And they were like, no, no.
It said some types of CBDs might help.
And they were like, smoke all weed.
joe rogan
Whiskey has high levels of polyphenols, plant-based antioxidants linked to lowering your risk of heart disease.
The polyphenols in whiskey have been shown to decrease bad cholesterol, LDL, and increase good cholesterol, HDL levels, and reduce triglycerides or fat in your blood.
ari shaffir
That's what I'm talking about, Joe.
This is how you stay accessible and do your fucking advice shit.
joe rogan
There you go.
ari shaffir
You gotta do it into our normal lives.
joe rogan
Health benefits of whiskey.
Normal lives.
ari shaffir
What foods can we eat?
We're already gluttonous.
You gotta say, like, this is our experience.
How can we guide that?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
I gained a lot of weight in Thailand, my first, like, trip to...
Me and Mark Tyler, all that shit.
And then I was gaining weight and I'm like, fuck, I'm more active or whatever.
And my friend was like, Chang weight.
It's beer weight.
And I was like, ah, I gotta quit drinking.
And she's like, hold it right there.
Absolutely not.
You gotta switch to gin and tonics.
You know what I mean?
You gotta give advice based on what their lifestyle is.
joe rogan
Did you do that?
ari shaffir
Yeah, and I lost a shitload of weight.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Wow.
joe rogan
That grain weight from that beer.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's just like...
joe rogan
Heavy calories.
I like a stout beer, too.
That's what I like.
I like a fucking heavy beer.
ari shaffir
That's gonna weigh you down.
joe rogan
Yeah, I like it.
That's what I like.
Thick foam.
I like a real beer.
I got Guinness.
A cold Guinness.
unidentified
I like that.
ari shaffir
That coffee taste to it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I like an amber ale, too.
Like a nice dark ale.
ari shaffir
Like a brown.
joe rogan
This is a lot of crazy little craft places out here.
I had this beer that tasted like kombucha the other day.
I was like, this is wild.
It's like kombucha type beer.
We still have that shit in the fridge?
That stuff from Form?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You just had the look that Mitzi always had.
When she had an employee, he was like, I don't want to get it.
So he's like, thinking of a way out of it.
And then he's like, no, I'll go get it.
joe rogan
We had Phil Demers.
He's the guy who's been running this lawsuit against Marineland.
He used to be an Orca trainer.
ari shaffir
Shamusha?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's horrible over there.
unidentified
Horrible.
joe rogan
Phil's been on a bunch of times.
I try to help him get that message out.
But he brought his friend who...
He has something to do with this company.
Whether he owns it or he's part of it or maybe his friend owns it.
I wish I remember, but I don't.
But they brought this really cool fucking beer.
It was really interesting.
It was like no beer I've ever had before.
It was like...
ari shaffir
The sours are really good and interesting.
joe rogan
But this didn't taste like regular beer, but it was delicious.
It was like very good tasting.
ari shaffir
Yeah, IPAs suck dick.
joe rogan
You don't like IPAs?
ari shaffir
No, they're garbage.
They're trash.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
And then I've done research.
joe rogan
But I like them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that makes sense.
unidentified
Now what happens?
ari shaffir
That makes sense.
You have no taste.
You have a lack of taste.
So if it makes sense, you would.
unidentified
I drink ACDC and I listen to ACDC and I drink IPAs.
ari shaffir
Put on your dumb fanny pack.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Pull out your IPAs and your fanny pack.
unidentified
Pull out my fanny pack and my IPA. With these headphones in public.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, and a cut-off t-shirt.
Cut-off sleeves.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, get your hyper color.
We need to get you some hyper color shit.
joe rogan
I think my wife threw away my tank tops.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
I think she did.
I don't even have any.
I'm trying to find tank tops.
ari shaffir
How dare she?
joe rogan
Yeah, she doesn't like me wearing tank tops.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
She thinks they're trash.
ari shaffir
She's not wrong.
joe rogan
Trash people wear tank tops.
ari shaffir
Oh, your wife is, I've met her, far classier than you.
I don't know why she's with you.
She must be embarrassed every time.
PTA meetings, she was like, come on, Joseph.
joe rogan
One of her friends said, you let him wear the fanny pack?
She said that to her.
You let him wear the fanny pack?
ari shaffir
Isn't that hilarious?
That's my favorite thing about marriage.
Am I allowed?
Will you let him?
I'm like, what are we talking?
Are you a warden?
joe rogan
What are we saying here?
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Let me.
joe rogan
That is what it's like.
It's like a parole officer.
Like, where are you going?
What time are you going to be home?
Are you going to check in?
Check in with your officer here?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You can be embarrassed by my behavior, but you can't stop me.
joe rogan
I need you to piss in this cup.
Imagine if your wife gave you a drug test.
She didn't believe you would.
Ari, you got to stop smoking pot.
We have a family now.
You're like, what?
ari shaffir
I've met people like that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
And the thing is, they met as party people.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
And then one can't anymore, so they're like, no, you can't either.
joe rogan
Well, it's not even just that one can't anymore.
There are some people, whether it's men or women, because there's both, who they pretend they're really into something until they get close, and then they slowly start to...
Are these cold at all?
jamie vernon
These are cold, but I don't think that's what you...
joe rogan
That's it.
Yeah, that's the shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's 100% it.
Can you get us some glasses?
unidentified
Haha, you have to do more work.
ari shaffir
Earn your salary.
Haha, fuck off.
He's not here.
joe rogan
But there's something that he could hear it out there.
ari shaffir
Oh no!
I remember that before.
I was talking about somebody.
joe rogan
No, there's a fucking giant screen out in the lobby.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
They can hear everything.
ari shaffir
And I just outed them out of the closet.
unidentified
Fuck!
ari shaffir
I should have done it.
unidentified
Oh no!
joe rogan
Oh no!
But when you get into the relationship, they pretend they like certain things.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you get deep in the relationship, and then all that shit's gone.
ari shaffir
I have no interest in this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And there's some, like, I used to be in it.
I'm not into it anymore.
I was like, sure, sure.
It's not worth talking about.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Have you ever had a friend like that where you're like, hey, you want to go see this movie?
I'm like, let me check in and see if I can.
joe rogan
And you're like, what?
Oh yeah, they have to check in.
Oh, they're all good, man.
Just crack that one.
Crack that one.
They're pretty easy.
Give it to me.
ari shaffir
No way.
It's not a twist-off.
joe rogan
No, it's not a twist-off.
unidentified
Oh.
ari shaffir
Can you let me cut my hand open?
joe rogan
Is it a twist-off?
ari shaffir
Remember when you said it would be so easy and then it wasn't so easy for you?
joe rogan
Oh, it's twisting.
ari shaffir
But Joe, do you remember when you were like, just give it to me and give me nothing?
joe rogan
Oh, it's a cork, Jamie.
That's what it is.
ari shaffir
Hey, Jamie.
Hey, Jamie.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
I was trying to remember.
ari shaffir
Get out there, dork.
unidentified
This guy is so mean.
joe rogan
What's that?
I believe so, yes.
ari shaffir
A bottle opener?
You'd have to have a bottle opener.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have to.
We opened these before.
It's not a bottle opener.
It's a cork.
We need a screw.
Yeah, a corkscrew.
Pretty sure we have one.
ari shaffir
Bottle of wine opener.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it's good.
It's going to be worth it when it's all done.
And this is from, I believe this is from Form.
ari shaffir
What is that?
Company?
joe rogan
Yeah, a company that makes this stuff.
It's really good.
I mean, it's like some of my favorites.
Yeah, there's this forum right here.
ari shaffir
You must get sent hella shit, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, hella shit.
A lot of whiskey.
I got a lot of whiskey from a bunch of different companies.
ari shaffir
Who was doing it, the one of the Vulcan?
He was like, I'll send you some stuff.
I was like, that's cool.
joe rogan
Whistlepig?
ari shaffir
Whistlepig.
joe rogan
Good shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
Whistlepig's fucking legit.
ari shaffir
That's very good.
You used to have these piles of dumb MMA shirts at your old place before the podcast.
And I was like, hey, can I have one?
You were like, take whatever you want.
They're going straight to goodwill without being unfolded.
joe rogan
That was the early days of MMA. Everybody wanted to make a t-shirt that had like a pit bull fucking a dragon in the ass.
unidentified
Yeah.
It was always like, yeah, I'm the hardest with the fucking hard.
ari shaffir
Last to die, first to live.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Like, some people are grapplers, some people are strikers.
I'm both.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
All caps.
ari shaffir
The one I wanted to make was Jesus on a cross, like that, and it goes, Jesus never tapped.
joe rogan
Give me that.
ari shaffir
I thought it'd be cool.
joe rogan
I think that exists.
ari shaffir
Hell yes.
joe rogan
Whoever did that, you're a genius.
I do think that exists.
Jesus never tapped.
I'm pretty sure.
See if you can find that, Jamie.
ari shaffir
He was ruled out.
joe rogan
Jesus never tapped.
ari shaffir
This has to be, right?
joe rogan
I'm very sure someone, and I think they were serious.
ari shaffir
It's from the Christians.
joe rogan
Look at this.
ari shaffir
Jesus never tapped out.
Yes, Christians!
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
ari shaffir
Keep performing for us.
joe rogan
See that one with the red and white, the baseball jersey looking one?
Please order me that.
ari shaffir
Jesus never tapped.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Order me that in a large.
Jesus never tapped out.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Please get me that.
Thank you.
ari shaffir
Jesus never tapped out.
joe rogan
Super important.
ari shaffir
Just be tapped.
Jesus never tapped out.
joe rogan
Told you.
It's like there's a hundred of those out there.
ari shaffir
And they're also stealing the fucking logo from Tap Out with that design.
That was just a fucking copyright.
Jesus didn't have copyright laws either.
joe rogan
You got a lot of foam in here, but you get the point.
Let's try this.
Cheers.
ari shaffir
Cheers, bro.
He didn't even get any.
joe rogan
Look at that ground and pound seven days a week.
Jesus is killing the devil.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Somebody made me a tour poster.
joe rogan
This is good?
ari shaffir
This is good.
This is sour, which is nice.
joe rogan
It's like an interesting flavor, right?
ari shaffir
Somebody made me a tour poster?
I've had my fans make them.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen them.
I've seen them.
They're great.
They're great.
Go to Ari's Instagram page.
He's got these fan-made tour posters.
They're fucking hilarious.
ari shaffir
They make me laugh so much.
joe rogan
Wrong side of history tour.
Do you have a name for your tour?
ari shaffir
No, I said I don't have a name yet.
If you guys want to come up with a name, you're more than welcome to.
joe rogan
I like the wrong side of history.
ari shaffir
That one I'm kind of leaning towards.
I like that.
That one keeps getting me.
joe rogan
I like that, and I like that picture that they used too.
ari shaffir
Jim Jones.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I like it.
ari shaffir
I'm the leader of it.
joe rogan
What else you got?
Stop the Steal Tour.
You with the MAGA hat.
ari shaffir
Look what it says under me.
joe rogan
Joe Biden didn't win the 2020 election.
I'm not joking.
This is what I actually believe.
ari shaffir
And I'm just like honor bound to be like, if you make something that makes me laugh, I'll fucking put it up.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
That's cool.
And you just tag them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I tag him and was like, that's fucking awful.
joe rogan
Nice.
ari shaffir
Suck my own dick to her.
Oh yeah.
The 16 city solution to her.
I've had a few taken down by Instagram.
joe rogan
Like what?
ari shaffir
What'd they say?
Go fly a kike.
They're like, hate speech.
The haul lol cost.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
ari shaffir
And this one stayed up, the Suck My Own Dick Tour.
joe rogan
The Sucking My Own Dick Tour is coming to a town near you.
It's you.
How come that's okay?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I guess there's no real nudity?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no real dick.
The dick is blurred out, I guess?
unidentified
I guess.
joe rogan
Or your dick is so small that you can't suck it from that position?
Is that...
ari shaffir
And they'll send me some.
This one was the Jesus fucking Christ tour.
And it was just, Jesus fucking another Jesus.
One was like, I've got herpes tour.
And it was a full cock with herpes scars of my face.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
And I'm like, I can't put this on Instagram.
I put it on my Patreon.
But anyone's is like, too much.
But Instagram...
joe rogan
It is...
Ari Shafir's I Love Jesus and Jesus Loves Me Tour.
Look at the face of you!
ari shaffir
Coming to Long Island.
joe rogan
Jesus is begging you.
And who is that in the picture?
The girl, though.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
The girl that put Ari's face.
It's a strange look.
It's like a cartoony nun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like anime or some shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah, exactly.
Someone added that already on top.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
ari shaffir
It's so dumb.
I'm having so much fun with it.
I'll walk to the dog park and I'll just start laughing in public.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of funny dudes out there that don't get a chance to be funny.
They're not comics, but they really have a great sense of humor.
ari shaffir
And I'm like, do whatever, man.
If it's funny.
Oh, writing Joe Rogan's coattails.
unidentified
Some of them, they're like, this fucking hurt, dude.
ari shaffir
I'm like, damn it.
joe rogan
Yikes.
There's a lot of funny dudes out there, man.
ari shaffir
Especially when you're talking about the internet is funnier than any comedian.
It's the version of 10,000 monkeys sitting in typewriters putting out the world's greatest novel.
The internet is that with humor.
joe rogan
A little bit.
And it's also like frustrated people that work shitty jobs and they have time because no one's looking.
And so they're in their cubicle and they're looking around and they're just like, oh my god.
ari shaffir
Noticing.
joe rogan
Just making this Ari Jaffir thing instead of working.
ari shaffir
What are you doing, Johnson?
joe rogan
It's giving something fun to do.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's so many people that have so much wasted time at work.
Unless your work monitors what you're doing on your computer every day.
ari shaffir
Some of them do.
joe rogan
Some of them do, but some of them don't.
Some of them let you bring your own computer from home, and if you're bringing your own laptop, you ain't getting shit done.
ari shaffir
Nah.
You know what I'm really loving about COVID? What?
The death.
No, no, no.
The people are reanalyzing what they want out of their lives.
It was a moment of clarity of like, I'm not going anywhere for a minute, and I have time to think.
You know, which people don't really get.
We don't, as comics, we're on the road unpacking, repacking, unpacking, repacking.
And then you never stop.
You're like, how much do I want to be on the road?
Everybody's whole experience, same sort of shit, you know?
How much do I want to be a doctor?
How much do I want to go to work?
And now people are like, what's a 40-hour work week?
When was that started?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is that horseshit?
ari shaffir
Way before the internet.
joe rogan
When did that start?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And so people are now going like, can I do two days a week?
Can I do five hours a day?
Like, why do we have to do this?
I know a few people that got lucky enough to have been home with their newborn child for this.
Couldn't have hit it at a better time.
They got to be there for the first few years.
Um...
And so it's like, what an opportunity, you know?
And they're like, why am I going back to work?
joe rogan
It also gets you in this position where when you're looking at your life and you're looking at your future and you realize your job can just get taken away like that, right?
If you're working at a restaurant or if you're working at a comedy club or somewhere where they just killed the business.
And you're sitting there going, okay, I didn't like this job anyway, and now it can all be taken away from me because I need my own thing.
I don't want to work for anybody anymore because so many companies went under during this COVID period.
A lot of people started their own businesses.
ari shaffir
I think it's awesome.
joe rogan
A lot of girls started showing their cooter.
ari shaffir
Oh, OnlyFans.
unidentified
Yes.
ari shaffir
Really thrive from this.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
A lot of independents.
You get those creeps to stare at your asshole, you can make a lot of money.
ari shaffir
I mean, I wouldn't call them creeps.
joe rogan
They're just gentlemen.
ari shaffir
They're just gentlemen doing the gentlemanly thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're just looking.
ari shaffir
I mean, I think it's implied consent when you go onto their website.
joe rogan
Yes.
Look, I think that's one of the interesting things that's going on in this pandemic as well, is that New York City has basically decriminalized prostitution.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
Oh, it's been that way for housewives.
There's this undercurrent, dude.
unidentified
Housewives?
ari shaffir
Regular chicks putting out for money a couple times a month.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
ari shaffir
There's a legit type of hooker out there that's not a street walker and they're not like madams.
They're just like extra money on the side.
The Uber driver of hookers.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
How do you know about this?
Well, without telling me who you fucked.
ari shaffir
I fuck a lot, dude.
joe rogan
Just tell me.
I know you do.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so anyway.
joe rogan
And I heard you fuck well.
ari shaffir
Thanks.
unidentified
Thanks.
ari shaffir
Jamie, please do not edit that.
Thank you.
unidentified
Enhance.
ari shaffir
Enhance volume on that, please.
unidentified
Well.
He fucks well.
ari shaffir
Echo thing.
Reverb, yeah.
A chick I hooked up with once in a while, you know, met her friend.
She goes, what did you think of her?
Did you like her?
I was like, oh yeah, she's cute and cool, whatever.
She's like, we should have a threesome.
And I was like, oh, for sure, maybe.
She goes, yeah, how much should you pay for it?
I was like, what?
She's like, yeah, I mean, you know.
And this is a chick I fucked once in a while.
They all just, then I started to notice it.
A lot of chicks, rich guys are like, I'll slide you a few hundred.
And then they go like, that's a possibility.
joe rogan
I knew a girl who was an artist.
ari shaffir
Yeah?
joe rogan
And she used to fuck old rich guys.
And she felt it was like a completely legitimate way to make money.
ari shaffir
Why wouldn't it be?
It's donating blood, right?
If you don't value giving away sex, if you don't think it's that bad, if you fuck a guy in a bathroom at a bar...
If you haven't hurt yourself in any way, then it's like, what's the difference?
joe rogan
She knew these people and she had semi-friendships with them.
ari shaffir
She's not being forced to fuck anybody.
She always was like, I don't want to.
joe rogan
I didn't know her well enough to ask her questions.
Do you ever not want to do it, but you do need the money?
Does it fuck with your intimacy with guys that you want to be with?
Those are the real questions.
Does it ever become work?
ari shaffir
Right, because this is the problem with online articles.
You're like, how can Vulture say this?
Or how can The Atlantic say this?
And it boils down to the writer needs 300 bucks.
They don't really care.
They drop an article and move on.
And it's destroying your life, but they've just moved on because they need 300 bucks.
So the 300 is incentivizing them to just put something out.
So the 300 or 1,000 she's getting is like, I kind of want to stay home tonight, but I got to fuck this guy for...
But also, it's up to her.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, if they're friends with the dudes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I mean, you don't want to go work sometimes.
You have to.
joe rogan
Yeah, but imagine this guy's like some CEO at a hedge fund or some shit, and he's making, you know, $10 million a year or something crazy, and he'll throw her 2,500 bucks.
ari shaffir
Does it mean much to him?
It means a lot to her?
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
Remember a pretty woman?
I would have given you five.
She goes, I would have done it for one.
It's like, oh, okay.
I mean, who cares?
Who normal is still like, whoa, sex, it's the biggest thing.
You had sex with someone.
It's like, who gives anyone cool...
You're fucking, man.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You fuck some people you regret.
You fuck some people you don't regret.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
You got to fuck a celebrity here or there.
I know a chick that fucks some rapper.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
And she's like, Ari, I called you.
No one's going to understand.
I'm like, that's fucking awesome.
I know that rap.
I know that is.
Way to go.
Way to bet a good one.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, who cares?
joe rogan
We're in a bed, a good one.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I didn't use the words.
joe rogan
You're talking like an old grandma.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're out there bedding a goodie.
unidentified
That's fucking cool.
ari shaffir
Dude, if I fucked Joan Jett, you didn't think I'd tell you?
joe rogan
She's a lesbian.
That would be even more impressive.
unidentified
How dare she?
joe rogan
I love rock and roll.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But if I had told you something like that, you'd be like, you wouldn't be like, oh, I gotta go.
You'd be like, no, no, tell me all about it.
Right, for sure.
It's awesome, so why shouldn't I get it?
joe rogan
But here's the thing that makes it really weird.
Why is it okay if people have sex for free?
But it's not okay if people have sex for money.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's totally okay if you give massages for money.
ari shaffir
Which is also sort of sexual.
joe rogan
It's very sexual.
ari shaffir
Watch Pulp Fiction, you know that, right?
joe rogan
Or if it's very pleasurable, we should just say that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It may not be pleasurable to your genitals, but when someone's rubbing your back and you're like, oh.
ari shaffir
Or if you have sex and here's some money, wait, wait, now it got gross?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
But if you just came in and talked for a while, like, hey, here's some money, it's not as gross?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
It's strange.
joe rogan
It's strange.
It is strange.
Money is a weird thing.
It makes things very odd.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it really does.
joe rogan
It really does.
ari shaffir
Hey.
joe rogan
Because it incentivizes people to work harder.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
That's good.
And that's kind of good because everybody wants, like, this is a whole thought of, like, we need income equality.
Okay, but we also need effort equality.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And we don't have that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's not going to be an equality of effort, so there's not going to be a equality of money.
ari shaffir
But guys that are working all day long in a mine or something like that, they're working hard.
That's a different thing.
People who are willing to work hard but can't make.
joe rogan
That's a different thing.
That's a thing where you're taking advantage of someone because they don't have any other options.
ari shaffir
Did you notice when you went from young headliner to maybe even news radio, people treated you differently because you had money and they wanted to get some of it or to be around it?
joe rogan
I have had the most ridiculous requests for me to help people start their businesses.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, like asking me for a million dollars.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
I will pay you back within 10 years.
ari shaffir
I got to tip this waitress.
Like, wow!
joe rogan
I've had people ask me to invest in their business and they'll pay me back the money that I gave them and not even give me any extra money.
ari shaffir
Oh, just like it's a loan to help me out.
joe rogan
It's a loan but with no interest.
Like as if I just have free money laying around to give to people that I barely know because they want to start a business.
I guarantee that this business is not a risk to you.
I will pay you back.
And they're like, you are fucking insane.
ari shaffir
Okay, but it's the gall to do that.
But where does it come from?
Does it come from a place of like, you just happen to find this money, you don't deserve it?
joe rogan
Someone I barely know, barely know, just asked me for $30,000.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Barely know, met him once.
Maybe met him twice.
Yeah.
For some fucking project they're doing.
ari shaffir
And not like, can I put you on an investment?
Just like, can I borrow this or have it?
joe rogan
They just want me to give them the money, and even if I'm investing, I'm investing in some fucking thing that they're doing.
Like, come on.
People are crazy.
They're trying to figure out a way to get something done through channels other than traditional banks.
You know, banks are fucking smart.
They look at you, they go, how much money do you have in the bank?
Okay.
And how much do you want from us?
And how much do you make?
And what's your plan?
ari shaffir
Let me see your plan.
joe rogan
How are you going to make this money?
You've never done this before?
You have no success whatsoever in this endeavor?
Okay.
What am I doing?
You think I'm stupid?
How did I become Bank of America?
I didn't become Bank of America.
ari shaffir
This is what happened in 2008. We gave you these loans.
joe rogan
Now we're not doing it.
Giving away free money to dreamers.
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of that.
And there's a lot of people that you can absolutely tell try to get close to you.
They weasel their way in.
I found a lot of people lying to other friends.
This is where it gets really weird.
I'll get to know someone just barely, like a guy that I met at the gym or a guy that I met at the gun range or a guy that I met, like those kind of guys.
And then all of a sudden they're telling friends, like maybe I like...
I had like an internet exchange with them.
Like they sent me a DM. I sent him a DM back.
Yeah, that sounds cool, man.
Good luck with that.
And then all of a sudden they're telling people they're good friends with me and they can guarantee that I'll come to an event.
And then they're trying to get me to go to this event.
And then someone at the event says, hey man, just so you know, this guy is saying he's your good friend and he can guarantee that you'll come to that event if he gets X amount for this and X amount for that and access to this or access to that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, me and a buddy of mine just went through with that with a guy that I had met in California.
And then I found out out here that he was doing that.
And I was like, this is wild.
ari shaffir
Damn, you're not even going to that.
joe rogan
Don't even, barely know the guy.
Pretending we're really good friends.
Pretending that he can get me into events and using my name to try to get...
ari shaffir
It's a shitty place.
I mean, what we saw yesterday...
I looked at you after hearing someone trying to be around you.
joe rogan
Oh, that one lady?
Yeah.
How about when she started crying?
ari shaffir
She started crying to get your attention.
She went outside.
jamie vernon
I saw it from the beginning.
I didn't know what was happening.
ari shaffir
She went outside.
She did the tearing thing.
joe rogan
Don't be specific about this, please.
ari shaffir
But it looked like this.
You can leave it there.
It looked like she'd been dumped or something.
In her stress, she just picks up a piece of it and just goes...
Like, she was in real pain.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We were looking at her.
And then she did it so you would look at her.
jamie vernon
It almost worked, I feel like.
But like, not really.
joe rogan
Because we all turned to looking.
What's going on?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because we saw that the guy was still there, and then the girl went outside and she was crying outside on the street.
And our table was near the street.
It was very strange.
ari shaffir
I was like, I had to go to the bathroom, so I was like, I'm going to go ask her.
And Shane's like, you won't.
And I'm like, I'm going to go ask her right now.
But you won't, though.
joe rogan
What is he talking about?
Does he not know you?
ari shaffir
He was right, though.
I walked right past her.
joe rogan
Did you?
unidentified
You didn't do it?
ari shaffir
I'm not going to ask her why were you crying.
joe rogan
Oh, I would have asked her.
If I was you, you got nothing to lose.
ari shaffir
Nothing to lose.
unidentified
That's right.
ari shaffir
Guys, you can be like me, but I'm going to take it away, and you also will have nothing to lose.
unidentified
Nothing to lose.
Nothing to lose tour.
ari shaffir
The best place to be.
joe rogan
Nothing to lose tour.
ari shaffir
Yes.
unidentified
That's a good one.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's not bad.
ari shaffir
Get on it, internet.
unidentified
That's not bad.
joe rogan
Nothing to lose.
I like it.
Just you with, like, holding your pockets.
ari shaffir
That's right.
joe rogan
Pulled out pockets, empty, like, Nothing To Lose Tour.
ari shaffir
I like it.
Yeah, all my loved ones abandoning me.
Nothing To Lose Tour.
joe rogan
I like that.
ari shaffir
Tickets available at rshaffir.com with the Nothing To Lose Tour.
I like that name.
joe rogan
That's a good name.
That's a good name.
ari shaffir
That is a good name.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that kind of shit is weird.
It's like people get very obsessed with talking to someone that they've seen on television.
jamie vernon
You'll be on that in...
There it is!
joe rogan
Who's going to be Martin Lawrence?
ari shaffir
You will, Shorty!
joe rogan
How dare you!
How dare you!
Fits out pretty perfect.
ari shaffir
We're about the same heights as those two.
Pretty close.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
ari shaffir
Hilarious.
You also have this thing.
Oh, so I remember looking when we found out like, oh, she was just faking the cry to make you look at her.
joe rogan
We didn't realize that until way later.
ari shaffir
And I looked at you, and I was just like, what's your life now, man?
This is a weird place to be.
This is like...
joe rogan
It's weird, but I'm still the same person.
ari shaffir
You are.
Me and Shane were talking about it.
We're like, damn, for celebrity.
He's fucking Norm.
joe rogan
I can stay me.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know how to stay me.
ari shaffir
You gotta be mindful of it, though, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it takes work, but I work a lot.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm working at it.
You know, I get off the rails a little bit, but I bring myself back.
I bring myself back with, like, mostly exercise.
Ruthless exercise brings me back, because it's so humbling.
So humbling, man.
When you're so tired, and you got, like, five more sets to go, and you got a timer that's going off, and, like, you're doing rounds in the bag.
The shit that I do is so humbling.
I'm so tired.
I get so tired that after I'm done with that, I can't take myself seriously.
I don't take anything seriously.
ari shaffir
You can't be like...
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Do you ever see that...
Was it Hot Rod or one of those Lonely Island guys' movies?
And it was like he was a movie star or a music star, and he's playing basketball.
Me and Big Jay always talk about this.
He throws the basketball up over his head behind him, and he just goes, nothing but net!
And then it misses by like 40 feet.
But all his yes men go, oh!
Like it went in.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
ari shaffir
So he just can't keep a normal mind.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, hang around with comics.
They'll never let you do that.
ari shaffir
I mean, they'll shit on you for winning.
joe rogan
For everything.
ari shaffir
It doesn't matter.
unidentified
Even if you do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I get shit on all the time.
Constantly.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You ever try to fight a group shit?
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
And then you're like, no, no.
Just take it.
joe rogan
I take my shits.
I take it.
I take it right in the face.
ari shaffir
You were doing yesterday's making some dumb point, and then, like, Ecuadorian elections, and you're like, dude, I couldn't understand you normally.
Your mouth is full of food.
And I was like, my point's done.
I'm not even gonna go back into it.
You're right.
joe rogan
You're always mumbling, even without food in your mouth.
You're trying to talk with a mouthful of pasta.
ari shaffir
You're just like, time out.
What the fuck are you doing?
joe rogan
That's one of the beautiful things about comics is that we know that I can shit on you like that and we're all going to laugh.
And you can shit on me like that and I'm going to laugh.
We laugh when someone comes hard at you and we think it's funny.
ari shaffir
No, that one actually hurt.
I get what you're saying.
Normally that would apply, but no.
Dude, I got you a present.
This is from the largest indigenous market in South America.
Wild, in Otoval, the city.
Mountain town.
One of my best Airbnbs ever were up there.
But, like, I did all my yogas.
Yoga with Ari.
The first, like, ten of them were up there.
Dude, Nate, sidetracked, but, like, Nate Barganzi.
I was talking to him, and he was like, oh, hey, man, I gotta, like, apologize.
I can't do an impression.
He was like, I gotta apologize.
Like, I saw a clip of Yoga with Ari, and we were talking about a move, a Holocaust move, and it just hit me like you were joking.
I thought you were seriously just teaching serious yoga online.
I'm like, no, what?
joe rogan
He was apologizing?
ari shaffir
He was like, I took you as a non-comic for a minute.
I was like, oh, I guess Ari's just legitimately teaching yoga.
And I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
You can do both.
ari shaffir
No, I do.
They're real moves.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're real moves.
ari shaffir
I just don't nail them.
joe rogan
You do a good job.
Pretty good job.
ari shaffir
Pretty good job.
joe rogan
You got pretty good at yoga during that one month that we did the yoga challenge.
You got pretty good at it.
You can wrap your legs around.
You got long ass legs and they're skinny.
So you can do a lot of that wrap legs around shit.
ari shaffir
Whenever I did that with Yoga With Ari, I would always do it.
And I'd be like, by the way, my friends Joe Rogan and Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura cannot do this one.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
ari shaffir
And I can.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can't do that shit.
Yeah, but I have...
Thick fucking thighs.
Thick thighs save lives.
I can't wear regular underwear.
ari shaffir
Because of your penis?
joe rogan
My legs rub together.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
They rub together, yeah.
ari shaffir
I legitimately, my first couple years, had a joke about that for massively obese people.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's me.
My pants, I'm wearing barbell jeans right now.
They wear out in the crotch.
Like, if you felt my crotch, I would let you feel it if I trusted you more.
ari shaffir
I would feel it and I would love it.
I would get hard and let you look at it.
joe rogan
They wear holes through because my legs rub together.
So I wear these MeUndies that are boxer briefs.
I have to pull them down because if I don't pull them down then my legs will rub together when I have shorts on and they hurt.
Like I chaffed the inside of my legs out.
I'm not kidding.
I get red, like horrible.
Like if I have a workout and I don't wear these underwear, I get fucked up.
I took to wearing compression shorts in kickboxing class.
ari shaffir
Okay, man, they put their pants on one leg, just like everybody else, and it's like, no, they don't.
unidentified
Not me.
ari shaffir
That's so fucking funny to me.
joe rogan
I've been kicking things for 40 years, you know?
I mean, my legs, they've been doing squats and kicking things most of my life.
ari shaffir
So what, did they get chafed and red and burned up?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're too thick.
ari shaffir
That sucks, dude.
Sorry.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm short and I weigh 200 pounds, and most of it's in my legs.
So it's all this meat down here.
It's all this thick meat.
ari shaffir
I'm 175 and I'm two inches taller than you, at least.
So anyway, I'm in the largest indigenous market.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
South American.
I'm looking at this gorgeous stuff, handmade.
They're making it right there, a lot of them.
I mean, it's so fucking...
joe rogan
What is it?
What'd you get me?
ari shaffir
So I was like, what would...
I thought of some of my friends, you know?
Like, what would I get them?
joe rogan
Please don't let it be a dildo.
ari shaffir
It's not a dildo.
They don't make novelty items.
These are like, I mean, that's a tiny section of it, but mostly this is like cool, interesting products and tapestries and like these weird Inti Rami masks.
joe rogan
What's an Inti Rami mask?
ari shaffir
They're gorgeous.
What does it mean?
They're part of like the indigenous, it's just, it's, yeah, look it up.
You gotta see them.
They're beautiful.
And every one means something different.
jamie vernon
I'm just, this is the market.
ari shaffir
Yep, I have that.
Yeah, this is the market.
It's so fucking big.
unidentified
That's dope.
ari shaffir
You're not getting the scale of it.
joe rogan
And that's in Ecuador?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
How safe was it there?
Did you feel safe?
ari shaffir
Massively safe.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, outside of Waiake.
joe rogan
Wow, that fucking mountain's beautiful.
Were you living up in the mountains?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you gotta get a still shot of that Yoga With Ori, because the backdrop behind me is just like what I would see every morning.
I would make my schedule so I could wake up for sunset, sunrise.
unidentified
Ah, wow.
ari shaffir
I would set my alarm.
It's like, there's no reason not to.
I would just see it come up over the mountains.
joe rogan
So pretty.
ari shaffir
Just revealing a lake, and you're just like, Make some coffee and get ready and just see it.
It was just...
joe rogan
Look at you.
Yeah, look at that backdrop.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That is beautiful, man.
Ari, day three of 31, understanding January challenge.
ari shaffir
I didn't do those dumb fucking yoga with Adrian names.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look at you there with your head shaved like Kwai Chang Kane.
ari shaffir
So, dude...
unidentified
I like it.
ari shaffir
The people who were renting us the place, they were...
Oh, yeah, these...
joe rogan
Oh, you're doing like fake motivation.
It's amazing.
Enlighten.
Oh my god.
Bro, you can start a cult with this.
ari shaffir
Slow motion yoga, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, be?
ari shaffir
Just be.
joe rogan
What does it say?
Oh, just be.
Yeah, be yourself.
Just be, man.
Look at you.
I love your outfit.
Where'd you get that outfit?
ari shaffir
Otavalo, at the Otavalo market.
joe rogan
That's like a monk outfit or some shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so the people renting us the house, we stayed there for two weeks.
At the end, they were like, so are you like a yogi?
I had to tell them like, no, it's just a joke.
And they're like, but what are you, I mean, you're head shaved and you're wearing that, so how is it?
And I'm like, yeah, I'm doing all this for this dumb joke.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
ari shaffir
But I'm doing the moves!
joe rogan
Yeah, that's real.
You're doing it in a weird way, like someone's violating you.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm doing it the best I can.
joe rogan
You're doing it alright.
ari shaffir
Thank you.
joe rogan
I mean, you are doing, what is that, like, cat and it's like, what is it called?
ari shaffir
No, I call it dead cat, scared cat.
joe rogan
Oh, scared cat.
That's good.
I forget what they actually call it, but it's good enough.
Yeah, that's actually good for your back.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at you.
ari shaffir
That's the one!
unidentified
That's the one!
ari shaffir
That's the one that Joe Rogan can't do!
joe rogan
I can't do that one.
I can't wrap my leg around like that.
My fucking fat thighs do not allow that to take place.
ari shaffir
I've been trying to balance myself.
Guys, this is the most accessible yoga you're going to find.
It's on YouTube.com slash Ari Shavira.
100 classes.
joe rogan
And it's fun.
ari shaffir
It's fun.
joe rogan
Because you're doing actual yoga.
You could actually do the moves and it's real yoga.
ari shaffir
And we're laughing.
joe rogan
But you're having a good time.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why can't you have a good time and be spiritual, man?
ari shaffir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, why can't you be spiritual?
ari shaffir
So I'm like, what would Joe like here?
I thought of a few of my friends and like, what can I get them and stuff?
And I was like...
joe rogan
It's a lot of buildup.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and you're gone.
It's not going to be that crazy.
But I'm like, okay, what do you have?
You have a lack of taste, right?
So I can't get you anything artistic because you're disgusting.
But you also are into native cultures and things like that.
And then I found it.
I found it.
joe rogan
Oh, a native fanny pack.
ari shaffir
Handmade.
Bought it from the person who made it.
unidentified
Legit.
ari shaffir
Cannot think of anything that you would like more than that.
joe rogan
That's tight, dude.
I like that.
ari shaffir
That's not the sticker on The Office.
joe rogan
What are you laughing at, you fuck?
unidentified
It's tight.
joe rogan
How dare you?
It's nice.
ari shaffir
That's a Palo Santo.
joe rogan
What is that?
It's a piece of wood.
ari shaffir
You light it and it clears the air from all the bad spirits.
Oh, it smells good.
Oh, it smells great.
They would burn piles of it.
joe rogan
It's a wood, right?
ari shaffir
Palo Santo, yeah.
They dry it out.
It's everywhere in Ecuador.
joe rogan
It almost smells like a soap.
ari shaffir
They make soap out of it sometimes.
It smells great, right?
joe rogan
So should we clear the air?
ari shaffir
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
Because Shane was here yesterday, I'm sure.
ari shaffir
Yeah, let's clear the air.
Dude, that guy kept fucking...
We're staying at Shane.
We stayed at Tim's, but he kept fucking sneaking up behind me and staring at my dick.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
How weird would you be showing it to us?
ari shaffir
I was pissing and he swam underwater all the way across the pool.
joe rogan
That's not what he said.
ari shaffir
I just popped up to look at my cock.
joe rogan
That's not what he said.
He said that he said, I bet I can swim underneath this pool and hold my breath.
And you said, I bet you can't.
And then he did it.
And on the other end, you were waiting with your cock out.
ari shaffir
No, no, no, no.
He said he could do that.
And then later I was pissing and he swam under the water.
That wasn't then.
joe rogan
Wow, he lied.
jamie vernon
He did tweet it.
joe rogan
Ari Shafir is hot and his dick is delicious.
For real, I sucked it good.
ari shaffir
That's from Shane M. Gillis?
joe rogan
Imagine.
It says, you never give your phone to Ari.
Please know this.
Oh yeah, I gave my phone to Ari last night.
And he typed to Maynard.
What did I say to Maynard?
ari shaffir
Oh, the lead singer of Tool.
jamie vernon
Yes, my natural wine.
joe rogan
I asked him a question about natural wine, and then I gave him the phone to see Maynard's response, because Maynard wakes wines, and I get the phone back, and Ari had sent to Maynard, I suck cock.
ari shaffir
You just gotta go fast on these things.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
You just gotta go really fast.
Very quick.
But yeah, I mean, you're giving me an opportunity to fucking tell the lead singer of Tool who you really are.
joe rogan
He's also a winemaker.
Don't try to limit him.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Don't limit him.
ari shaffir
That's right.
joe rogan
This is a tight fanny pack.
This is very nice.
ari shaffir
Do you like it?
joe rogan
I like it.
It's very soft.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to bring it with me everywhere I go.
ari shaffir
Thanks.
I'm glad you like it.
I was thinking about you out there.
joe rogan
I think it's also even more disgusting than the one I have currently, so my wife will hate it more.
So there's a win there.
ari shaffir
Sometimes chicks like Indian stuff, though.
Native, well, not America.
joe rogan
This is like more South America than it is India.
But I guess if you didn't know, you could say this could be like Navajo or some shit or Pawnee.
Yeah, could be.
I like it.
Thank you very much.
ari shaffir
You're welcome, dude.
Appreciate it.
joe rogan
You still don't wear fanny packs.
ari shaffir
I will not know.
Interesting.
joe rogan
You seem to not care about fashion.
ari shaffir
I see what you're getting at.
Is it an obvious move what you're doing?
joe rogan
But you dress in a way that no one would dress if they cared about fashion.
ari shaffir
You're retarded.
That's a retarded thing to say.
joe rogan
Look at the shirt you're wearing.
ari shaffir
It's awesome.
unidentified
Is it?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
It screams of class and culture.
joe rogan
It's like a puppet that sells records.
ari shaffir
No, it's not.
It's a record store.
unidentified
Look at me.
joe rogan
I sell records.
ari shaffir
No, no.
It's a record store, dude.
joe rogan
The record store with a puppet.
Look at me.
ari shaffir
It's class.
It's culture.
It's coolness.
You're crazy.
I'm sorry.
I'm wearing a fucking free MMA shirt.
Fucking dork.
If I'm a hundred million dollars, you wear free shirts, you idiot.
joe rogan
I don't wear them anymore.
This is a Cam Haines shirt.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
How much do you pay for it?
Free.
ari shaffir
That's right!
joe rogan
He's my friend.
ari shaffir
I heard some American stereotypes.
joe rogan
It's sad, and then you shoot a bow and arrow, and then you get happy.
It's a real clear message.
ari shaffir
That's nice.
joe rogan
It's a nice message.
ari shaffir
I have been hearing some American stereotypes, my Scottish friend and some Ecuadorian friends, and they make me go like, oh no.
So we can't see it.
We're in the forest.
You can't see the trees.
Number one.
Yes.
Americans like to wear free bank t-shirts.
Free bank t-shirts?
MBNA. No other country will you promote a bank just because they gave you a free shirt.
Start looking around.
You'll see it.
Here's another one.
Americans love to comment on the beauty of a sunset while you're watching it.
Nobody else does that.
Everyone's watching it.
Man, it's beautiful.
And then they go, yeah, we know, dude.
Americans, shut up and enjoy it.
Here's the last one.
Americans rush in to assist in a situation that they have no experience with.
They'll see a bird hurt on the beach.
I'm like, get it in a box!
We have to take it!
And it's like, do you know anything about this?
joe rogan
Like sort of how Burt moved Tom's arm when he broke it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
He shouldn't have touched it.
ari shaffir
Did he really?
He was like, let me move it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he picked it up and put it over there.
Probably fucked it up for life.
ari shaffir
Oh, jelly legs.
Jelly legs to Segura.
Dude, it didn't even make sense.
He just came down.
He didn't even like...
It wasn't like...
You see NBA players.
They come down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Like Conor McGregor stepped wrong, you see it snap.
joe rogan
No, that's not what happened.
ari shaffir
Whatever.
Segura starts to jump, and then it was like he's cursed by a witch, and it just went jelly.
There was no impact.
joe rogan
No, he blew out his patella tendon.
ari shaffir
He blew out everything!
joe rogan
Everything.
ari shaffir
What is that?
joe rogan
His arm broke when he landed on his arm.
ari shaffir
And the legs, everything broke.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well what happened was, apparently he thinks he fucked it up the day before because he was jumping in his office.
They were trying to touch the ceiling in the office.
Like this ceiling.
Trying to touch the ceiling.
And he felt something weird in his knee.
But he didn't think too much of it.
And then the next day, they were playing basketball.
They were doing this dunk contest.
And he dunked a couple of times.
On a lower rim.
And then one time he really loaded up and his patella tendon just blew out.
So on the leap up, his leg just blew apart.
ari shaffir
It gave way.
joe rogan
Blew apart.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, his knee just went like this.
ari shaffir
It's so crazy looking.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's wild.
ari shaffir
He doesn't...
Yeah, it's always on the come down.
He went on the way up.
I heard a doctor say...
joe rogan
Is that him?
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
ari shaffir
That's great.
Of course he's making fucking merch on it.
Nobody cashes in more than Tom.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
ari shaffir
I heard a doctor once a long time ago say in your 40s is when you do explosive movements and you don't have explosive strength.
And that's where you get in trouble.
Still trying to make ski jumps.
You should have stopped at 31. But at 60, you're not trying to make those jumps anymore.
joe rogan
That's That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or you just keep lifting weights and don't be a pussy.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You're an outlier.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just gotta know what your body's capable of doing, and the only way you know is to make it do a lot of shit.
So you know what it could do all the time.
Most people just stop.
That's what happens.
unidentified
Completely, yeah.
joe rogan
It's the grind.
It's all about the grind.
Like, most people, like, they get to a point that, I don't want to lift any more weights.
I'm just gonna get on this elliptical machine, listen to a book on tape.
ari shaffir
Just go Buster Douglas.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Just be like...
joe rogan
Fatten up.
ari shaffir
Just fatten up.
joe rogan
Lay back.
That happens to a lot of fighters.
Ricky Hatton got huge.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my god, he got huge.
He might have lost weight now, but he got real big.
A lot of guys get real big when they just don't want to do anything anymore.
ari shaffir
I get it.
joe rogan
They don't want to be...
ari shaffir
I get it.
And you form a habit of that, and you just stay in it.
Let me ask you a question somebody asked me that I really like.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
Because everybody's like, what was me?
They start complaining about...
There's so many things to complain about.
COVID, cancel, whatever.
And it's like...
And then when that conversation starts, how do you end that in normal conversation?
Not in a podcast, but in normal conversation, where it's going to politics, the most boring fucking subject, or race, or something, where you're like, oh, this is just gonna go...
joe rogan
Especially with some people.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't have an interesting perspective.
ari shaffir
Absolutely.
What's the point of this?
You agree with the people you agree with, it's dumb.
It's classless and dumb.
But for real, not the way I make fun of you, but for real, it's classless.
Stop.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
ari shaffir
So, what makes you hopeful?
That's what you ask people.
joe rogan
I think there's a trend in civilization period where people are trying to be nicer.
And I think one of the things that's going on with cancel culture that actually gives me hope is they're canceling people because they're saying those people are assholes.
Like all of it is catching people doing something that they shouldn't be doing.
Now, the bad part about it is that a lot of the people that are doing it are really fucked up people, and they're not compassionate, and they're not kind, and they're not forgiving.
ari shaffir
They're going against what Martin Luther King said.
You can't fight light with darkness.
You can't fight darkness with darkness, only with light.
And they're, nah, fight it with darkness.
joe rogan
There's a lot of fools who don't understand violence, and they don't understand conflict, and they're involved in a lot of this.
And also, they're doing it through this proxy.
You're doing it through social media, which is this really weird way to have conflict with people.
But then you see that conflict spill out into real world, like the Black Lives Matter protests, or the Antifa protests, or all these different...
You see real-world consequences for this kind of online rhetoric.
But overall, all of it, whether it's Black Lives Matter or whether it's even like the idea of Antifa, they're not trying to make the world a worse place.
I don't think they're right.
ari shaffir
Their intention is...
joe rogan
Yes, their intention is to get rid of a corrupt society, to get rid of a corrupt government.
I don't think they're doing it the right way.
I don't think they're educated.
I don't think they're intelligent.
I don't think they're responsible.
I think what they're doing is nonsense.
ari shaffir
They're the privates.
They shouldn't be choosing the war technique.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Well, a lot of them are grossly obese and fucking sloppy humans and shitty.
They've lived very undisciplined lives.
Then all of a sudden, they want to start telling people what to do.
Like, pull over!
We control these streets!
It's power.
ari shaffir
Exactly.
It's a power.
joe rogan
It's a lot of what that is.
Yeah.
But the intention behind it is almost all to do better, to have society be better.
I think even those MAGA shitheads, I think even those dummies that stormed the Capitol, they thought they were going to make the world a better place.
They're not trying to make the world a worse place.
They thought in their head that the election was stolen and they were going to storm the Capitol in a show of force and somehow or another was going to turn around and Trump's going to be president again.
Because they're dumb.
Because they're a bunch of dumb dudes who live in their basement and they wear buffalo helmets on.
ari shaffir
The thought behind that was like, hey, let's fucking take more of an active voice in our democracy.
joe rogan
Yes, but they're morons.
They're a bunch of QAnon dummies, and they're trying to make the world a better place.
But the trend...
What they're trying to do is all that.
When Hitler was trying to exterminate the Jews, there's not a fucking way you can spin that where he was trying to make the world a better place.
There's not a way you can spin that, where you're dehumanizing people to the point where you're turning the entire culture on one group of people that have a certain religious belief.
That's just pure evil.
You don't get that today.
What we're getting today is you think Some people are evil because of their ideology, their political ideology, or you think some people are foolish or short-sighted, but I think ultimately people are trying, they want- Pushing for the good.
Yeah, even the assholes that want to defund the police.
They think that the police are bad and they're causing problems, they want less problems, but they just don't know jack shit about law enforcement.
The guy that I was talking to, my friend who used to be a cop, was telling me about the guy strangling the guy.
Talk to that guy.
Talk to an actual cop and let him tell you all the crazy shit that they've seen.
All the kids that they've seen that got shot.
All the wild shit that they've seen.
Talk to them.
Then you get an understanding of what it means to be a police officer.
ari shaffir
Actually, like what you said, talk to them.
Like, hey, what can we do to make it better or to rule out the fucking shitty ones?
I don't know, but it's like that John Lennon song.
If you're talking about destruction, then like, I forget the lyrics, but then no, then I'm not interested.
joe rogan
You can count me out.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you can count me out.
But if you want to make it better, if you want to go give food to the homeless bank or something, then I'll go with you.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
ari shaffir
They're just the wrong technique.
But I get what you're saying, so that's what makes you hopeful?
joe rogan
Yeah, that makes me hopeful.
I think the tactics are incorrect and a lot of people are misled because they're trying to do things and they're trying to do things in this weird age of social media, in this weird age of these collective groups where people get together and they try to share a mindset and a philosophy and a lot of times it's dumb.
You know, a lot of times they're trying to rehash shit that's already been tried out in other countries like Marxism or socialism.
ari shaffir
They're vengeful.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of that too.
And there's a lot of nerd rage.
There's a lot of people that were...
One of the things that we were talking about yesterday was Shane.
We were talking about a lot of people that attack people online.
These people were really abused when they were young.
A lot of these people, they're abused by either their family, they're abused by bullies at school, or they're abused by relationships they had, whatever the fuck it is.
They have this anger in them and they want to take it out on other people.
And so there's sort of this exaggerated rage that's not necessarily indicative of what is actually going on.
ari shaffir
It's like a gamer rage.
It's like, are you guys even...
You know how they're like, I hope you get AIDS and your mom dies in front of you?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
ari shaffir
And then the regular people caught on with that?
And it was like...
Guys, you're not really...
joe rogan
Right, the gamer chats, when they say things in the chats.
It was like fun to say.
ari shaffir
I think all these e-rages are just like a couple people talking and then far, far more, like a hundred, two hundred, two thousand times that people weighing in on what the small, small amount of people actually...
No one's actually that upset about Aunt Jemima.
joe rogan
There's also a lot of cowards out there.
A lot of cowards.
And those cowards are the ones that virtue signal.
Because they want to make sure that they're on the right side of your rage.
They want to be with you while you attack other people.
And then when it turns on them, it's horrific.
Like this Christy Teigen shit.
When you see it turn on her, it's horrific.
ari shaffir
The whole Bon Appetit thing was my favorite of all the cancellations.
joe rogan
What's Bon Appetit?
ari shaffir
Bon Appetit is an online, not an online, a magazine for food.
Right.
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
What is the Bon Appetit thing?
What are you saying?
ari shaffir
It's so much happened with the...
joe rogan
Tell me.
I don't know.
Do you know?
Jamie, do you know?
ari shaffir
Don't you have a beer to get us?
No, I'm sorry.
unidentified
I will delete this whole thing.
ari shaffir
Sorry, Rory.
I lost it.
Good luck promoting your dumb shit.
So, Bon Appetit...
It was a culture...
What's it called?
joe rogan
It's a website, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, but it was a...
joe rogan
Magazine.
ari shaffir
No, no.
What are those things we used to grow that in science class?
A culture?
joe rogan
Petri dish?
ari shaffir
Yeah, Petri dish for anger and canceling.
That's where it all been.
unidentified
Oh, and Appetit was?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So, Alison Roman was there, and then she was at...
joe rogan
I don't know who that is.
ari shaffir
Austin Rome was a chef who was being sassy and was shitting on a couple other chefs.
Was like, oh, this chef doesn't even know what she's doing.
She's a fucking model.
One of them was Chrissy Teigen.
She's a model.
What the fuck does she know?
Another chef was like, uh...
unidentified
Dude, this is so fun.
ari shaffir
This is off-air and stuff, but this is so fun.
Another chef was somebody who talks about, like, minimalization.
And then, oh, but she has a book line, so you're supposed to order stuff.
She's being sassy.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
We've all kind of been that.
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've all been sassy.
ari shaffir
Interview comes out, it's like, just so you know, both those chefs you were talking about were Asian.
She was like, what?
She's like, they're both Asian.
And I'm like, no, I was shitting on them for the chef stuff.
unidentified
She's like, but they're both Asian, so we're going to write this up as your anti-Asian.
joe rogan
Whoa!
ari shaffir
Spins, spins, spins.
You know how it is.
Spins, spins.
Suddenly she's like, oh, I have to grow as a person, all that shit.
Whatever.
The guy who ran Bon Appetit, the editor-in-chief.
15 years earlier, went to a cholo party in LA. I don't know if you've ever been to one of those.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, all the time.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
There you go.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
You know what that is?
joe rogan
What is this?
Oh, wait a minute.
ari shaffir
That's brownface, dude.
That's brownface.
So he went into his office.
He went into the office.
The editor-in-chief, who turned the fucking magazine around and made it successful, and he goes, Hey, listen, I'm sorry about all that.
You don't have to read it.
I know the story.
I'm sorry about all that.
I'll try to be better, and I'm going to try to maximize the voices of the minorities.
joe rogan
Hold, please.
Let me read his exact quote.
Bring that back.
Because this is one of my favorite.
People apologize.
You know it's not their actual voice.
I spent my career celebrating black Latinx.
As soon as you say Latinx.
ari shaffir
That's not how you say it.
I'm done with you.
joe rogan
Because Latinos don't want to have anything to do with that.
Latinas don't want anything to do with that either.
ari shaffir
The language doesn't allow it.
joe rogan
Right.
White people.
That's white people.
Dopey white people.
Latinx, indigenous, Asian, and POC. People of color.
Voices in food.
And this feels like an erasure of that work.
ari shaffir
Oh, have you spent your entire career celebrating indigenous voices in food?
joe rogan
Imagine that.
That this feels like an erasure of that work because he was dressing like a Puerto Rican guy?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But let me go back to that thing.
Tell me that Luis Gomez wouldn't dress exactly like that.
ari shaffir
Luis Gomez would find it funny.
No, exactly.
It's dead on.
It's dead on.
It's a costume party.
And by the way, they found it on his Instagram, which means it wasn't a weird thing.
joe rogan
He wasn't hiding it.
ari shaffir
Brown face, they called it.
And he goes, hey guys, sorry about that.
I know this came up.
joe rogan
How is that brown face?
That's a guy with a tank top on.
unidentified
It's obviously dumb.
joe rogan
He doesn't even have something on his face.
ari shaffir
I know.
I know.
joe rogan
How do you call it brown face?
ari shaffir
Talk to San Francisco.
They invent all these words.
unidentified
Oh, San Francisco.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So he goes to his staff, says, hey guys, sorry about that.
Let me show this thing.
Whatever.
We'll move on.
But I'll try to be better.
Whatever.
Two of the lower level people go, that's not good enough.
We want your job.
You need to resign.
joe rogan
Two lower level people.
ari shaffir
It's always lower level people.
Of course.
26 year olds.
joe rogan
Because they want your job.
ari shaffir
Everyone else is frozen.
Going like, how do we say, you need to shut the fuck up.
This is the editor who turned our business around.
Then they start uncovering other stuff.
He didn't promote POCs enough.
And then it starts going, whatever.
Then they start doing the daily...
Report on Bon Appetit.
Now you see their promo.
It's all like gays, blacks.
It's all that.
It's all rainbow stuff.
And then all the fucking women who were reading it were like, what's my recipe?
I want some fusion food.
They're like, I don't want to fucking make chitlins.
Like, fucking come on.
Yeah.
And so then everyone's like, well, where were you?
So these gays are getting elevated into the editor.
And then somebody else is like, as a Vietnamese adoptee in America, I feel like you marginalized my voice, you fucking gay.
Because all it is, is if I don't take your story, you've marginalized me.
And so it's just attack, attack, attack, attack, attack.
And you have Alison Roman, who's fucking done, can't work in the New York Times anymore, living in northern New York, can't live in New York City anymore.
And then her accuser, Chrissy Teigen, who fucking says, kill yourself to a statutory rape victim.
There's none of that thing where it's like, if you kill the head vampire, you get off.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
So she's fucking out, but whoever she accused is also out.
joe rogan
But is Chrissy Teigen Asian?
ari shaffir
Slightly.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
What kind?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to say what kind?
She has strong features.
ari shaffir
To all the Spotify employees, I don't stand by Joe Rogan's comments in any way.
I would like to say that I still listen to Spotify and please do not delete my account.
I have playlists on there that I want to get to.
joe rogan
To all the Spotify employees, I say go through the rap catalog.
Music that I actually enjoy that celebrates murder and violence.
ari shaffir
And also take them down.
joe rogan
And go to that before you start talking about people who are comedians who are just talking shit.
ari shaffir
It's all so fun.
joe rogan
So she's part Asian.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Thai!
Okay, that makes sense.
She's got kind of a beautiful Thai face.
ari shaffir
Nobody hates Thai people.
joe rogan
Nobody.
Well, they made the best kickboxing style ever.
ari shaffir
Ask Hannibal Buress.
He's a fucking sweet-ass kickboxer.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was telling Ari that, uh, I don't know if I've ever told this on the podcast, I ran into Hannibal in Thailand a few years back.
I was there with my family, we went to Chiang Mai, and we just decided to go, you gonna piss in that?
ari shaffir
I am.
joe rogan
Ari's gonna piss in his water jug.
ari shaffir
I'm trying to make my modal water bottle.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
jamie vernon
I'm not even putting the camera up.
joe rogan
Okay, keep the camera on me.
ari shaffir
He's telling a story about Hannibal.
joe rogan
I don't know if you understand this, Ari.
ari shaffir
He's talking about Hannibal.
joe rogan
This is no longer the show that I used to have where back in the day when I was just doing it in my house and we were on a couch in my spare bedroom.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You could just pull your cock out.
ari shaffir
Sitting on the floor below you.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Floor below me?
We were all on the couch together.
ari shaffir
Yeah, because we had to crouch in.
We had to crouch in.
So it was like one on the couch, two below.
joe rogan
Oh, that one time.
Yeah, that's right.
Early, early, early time.
We didn't have enough room on the couch.
ari shaffir
That's right.
Because there was a laptop.
Joe, look away.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm looking at your cock.
I've seen your cock a hundred times.
Anyway, in those days, Ari, it was okay for you to just pull your dick out and pee on camera because no one was watching.
But now, millions of people are watching and yet you think it's okay to just fucking piss.
You think that's cool?
ari shaffir
It's a bodily function.
joe rogan
It's wrong.
You're peeing on my show.
It's rude.
Would you do that on the Jimmy Kimmel show?
You farted too?
Would you do that on the Jimmy Kimmel show?
ari shaffir
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do it on Corolla.
I wouldn't do it on Legion of Skanks.
Only you.
joe rogan
How come you don't like me?
ari shaffir
Because of lack of respect.
joe rogan
You have no respect for me.
ari shaffir
I don't.
joe rogan
So we talked about it on the podcast.
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
We did talk about it.
So Hannibal moved to Thailand for a while.
More than a month, I believe.
ari shaffir
That's nuts.
joe rogan
And he just decided he needed to stop drinking and wanted to lose weight and didn't know anybody out there and he just started doing Muay Thai.
And this is right after he canceled Bill Cosby.
Hey, look at the cock.
Did you show it?
ari shaffir
Don't let him get us in trouble.
joe rogan
We'll get in big trouble.
ari shaffir
I've only gotten people taken down off YouTube.
joe rogan
I don't know if Spotify even gives a shit if you pull your hair out.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
If anybody could do it, this show could do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, maybe.
You would be the...
joe rogan
Yeah, they spent a lot of money for this stupid fucking show.
ari shaffir
Spotify.
joe rogan
Hey, no, no, no.
ari shaffir
Appreciate the...
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Let's not test the waters.
A lot of people are already mad because of what you said about Vietnamese influencers or whatever.
ari shaffir
I said nobody hates Thai people.
Don't spit my words.
joe rogan
Someone says, I'm a Vietnamese refugee, you've rejected my work and you're minimalizing my contribution.
ari shaffir
Once you hear somebody say, as a, you're like, nah, not interested.
joe rogan
Identity politics is toxic.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
It's just toxic.
People are just...
ari shaffir
Do it?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
People are just people.
ari shaffir
I love the chance I had, finally, when Nick Cannon was like, ah, Jews made up the fucking Mount Sinai or whatever the fuck he said.
joe rogan
What did he say?
ari shaffir
I don't even...
I remember barely...
joe rogan
Wasn't he talking to Professor Griff from Public Enemy?
ari shaffir
Something like that.
He's a professor.
joe rogan
Who is he?
ari shaffir
You have to like the academics.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo had Professor Griff on his podcast way back in the day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He had a good time with him.
ari shaffir
It was finally my opportunity because they were like, of course you'd say this because of this.
It was finally my opportunity.
He goes, guys, I'm a Jew.
He's attacking Jews for the first time.
Let him say whatever the fuck he wants to say.
He might have some good points.
He might not.
Who gives a fuck?
Don't fire that guy over fucking whatever the fuck he wants to say.
It's not on America's Got Talent.
He's not like somebody's not juggling.
Everyone's like, that was amazing.
What do you think?
Nick Cannon's like, oh, oh.
Only 2,000 people died in the Holocaust.
Is that what he said?
No!
But if he did it on the fucking America's Got Talent, you'd be like, hey, dude, retake, reshoot.
joe rogan
Yeah, cut that part out.
ari shaffir
Any other normal time, say what the fuck you want!
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I hate this fucking world.
joe rogan
Did they fire him?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
They stopped wiling out for a while and they started up again.
jamie vernon
Some shit happened and then I think some things have been worked out.
ari shaffir
You know why?
Everybody defend him on Wild and Out.
They're like, we're not going to really work without him.
And they go, ah, fuck.
Alright, bring him back.
joe rogan
What is Wild and Out?
ari shaffir
What is that?
It's a show that's been on MTV for about 20 years.
joe rogan
Dude!
ari shaffir
It's crazy.
It's fake rap.
Fake battle rap.
joe rogan
Fake.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Is it fake?
jamie vernon
Well, what is real then?
I mean, because it's not like...
joe rogan
Well, Battle Rap is real.
jamie vernon
It's not improv.
ari shaffir
It's not improv in the moment.
They pre-write it for them, but they're like, okay, I'll go back and forth.
You know how like 8 Mile?
joe rogan
They write it for each other?
They're writers.
Oh, they have writers.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and the people come on there and like...
joe rogan
That is fake Battle Rap.
That's like fake stand-up.
That's like Tom Hanks in Punchline, right?
Somebody wrote that for him.
It's not a real comic.
ari shaffir
In Punchline they wrote it for him?
Yeah.
joe rogan
The writers.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Do you ever see that movie?
joe rogan
Sally Fields and Tom Hanks?
Terrible.
Terrible.
They have lockers.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's what always got me.
joe rogan
Lockers in the comedy club.
ari shaffir
That's why I can't watch movies about comedy because I'm like, you're going to get it wrong.
It's going to make me angrier than it should.
joe rogan
If comedy clubs had lockers, guys would steal the key and shit in your locker.
Yeah, look at this.
jamie vernon
This is wild and out.
They're doing dances and improv skits.
joe rogan
Okay, and people are actually watching this.
ari shaffir
They do dance a lot.
joe rogan
Is it popular?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look how popular.
Everybody's having a good time.
jamie vernon
It's on MTV. They don't show tons of shows, so...
joe rogan
Yeah, MTV doesn't have a lot of shows anymore, right?
What is MTV mostly these days?
Ridiculousness.
Ridiculousness.
Oh, that Rob Dreidek show?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That's literally the whole network?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
A lot of it.
joe rogan
It's a very popular thing, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they used to be great music, then they were interesting reality shows, and then they were just like...
joe rogan
So now it's not...
Do they have music videos at all anymore?
ari shaffir
Probably like an hour a day.
jamie vernon
On YouTube, for sure.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Oh, if you release a music video, you release it on YouTube.
joe rogan
Whatever happened to Yo!
MTV Raps?
ari shaffir
It was marginalized.
jamie vernon
I don't know, yeah.
It's a brand from the 80s now that they bring back I love her.
ari shaffir
It looks cool.
Yeah, it does look cool on shirts.
If you see a Yo Up TV rap shirt.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a dope shirt.
ari shaffir
80s has now made a massive comeback.
joe rogan
That's like a vintage Led Zeppelin shirt.
You look like a cool motherfucker with that.
ari shaffir
One of my favorites is a weasel shirt from then.
joe rogan
From Pauly?
ari shaffir
Yeah, from Pauly that he had from way back.
And it was like, with that wild 80s style.
joe rogan
Pauly's living in Vegas now.
I ran into him in Vegas.
unidentified
Great.
joe rogan
He was backstage at the Chappelle shows I did.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dave and I were doing the MGM and Paulie was there.
He lives there.
ari shaffir
It was in Vegas.
joe rogan
The MGM was amazing.
It was so fun.
Segura did it too.
ari shaffir
How was that Chappelle?
I heard.
joe rogan
Oh my god, we had so much fun.
It was so fun.
Everybody was so excited.
ari shaffir
Where do you put the...
We did it once, but it was like a very small part of the MGM. Right.
This is bigger now with Chappelle.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's the whole MGM. When we did it, it was only like 4,000 or 5,000 people.
ari shaffir
We pushed the stage right up to the audience and then went to there.
joe rogan
Bourdain came to see us there.
It was you, me, and Diaz.
ari shaffir
How's he do it?
He's dead.
joe rogan
He's dead.
Killed himself.
You didn't know?
Legitimately?
I didn't know about Bon Appetit and you don't know about Anthony Bourdain.
Who the fuck is out of touch?
ari shaffir
Wow.
I mean, I'm fucking with you, but like...
Yeah, it's just...
Wow.
Wow.
That's heavy, dude.
That's heavy.
joe rogan
That was one of the first times he came to see us do stand-up.
ari shaffir
You asked me about depression after he killed himself on this podcast.
joe rogan
I remember.
I was going along with it, dude.
ari shaffir
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
You don't think I know that you know?
I've been doing this the whole show.
ari shaffir
Damn it.
Damn it.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know legitimately about the Bon Appetit thing.
I did not know about that.
ari shaffir
It's so fun.
I gotta talk to you more about it.
joe rogan
Please do.
Keep going.
ari shaffir
Let me tell you the legitimately most scary part.
So that shit that happens at Bon Appetit, this is important.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
That shit that happens at Bon Appetit, but we're too...
25-year-olds, whatever, can go, that's not good enough.
You need to quit.
And everyone's frozen because you can't be like, shut up.
So there's a guy that goes, oh, okay, I... I guess I'll step down.
joe rogan
So he quit himself?
ari shaffir
He quit.
He had to step down.
Disgraced.
Did a great job before that.
joe rogan
Should've hung in there like Mario Cuomo.
ari shaffir
See him?
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Going good.
ari shaffir
No, that is what you should do.
joe rogan
Or Andre, what's his name?
ari shaffir
For sure that's a technique.
joe rogan
Andrew Cuomo?
Andrew.
jamie vernon
Him quitting is very high up in this long article, so there's a lot more to go.
ari shaffir
Oh, there's so much, dude.
There's so much?
joe rogan
Oh, the fucking editor-in-chief resigned, too?
jamie vernon
That was the guy in the picture.
joe rogan
Oh, that's him?
He looks good like that.
I think he shouldn't dress up like a Puerto Rican anymore.
I like his jacket.
Slick.
Handsome.
I like that stylish jacket with a V-neck t-shirt.
It's a good look.
ari shaffir
That sort of thing also happens at, used to happen at Comedy Central, where you have the people working there go, hey, why don't you hire some more of this, more of that?
unidentified
Of course.
ari shaffir
And they're frozen because they can't go, hey, this comic, I don't even see this shit, is really, I had, I was supposed to have Reggie Conquist's comic open for me in Baltimore a couple weeks ago.
He's black.
It has nothing to do with it.
He couldn't come for the last week.
He thought I was driving him.
I was already down there.
And then he was like, oh, fuck.
So I was like, hey, I need an opener.
He goes, well, do you need a specific?
I go, stop right there.
Find me the best opener you have in town.
Whatever you're going to say, I know what you're going to say.
Stop.
Get me a great opener.
I'm not interested.
I bring Adrian Appaluccio with me a lot.
And if she can't come, does it have to be a girl?
I'm like, I'm not thinking of that when I'm booking her.
joe rogan
Stop.
unidentified
Stop.
ari shaffir
Anyway, that sort of thing.
So Comedy Central, the head-ups back then, couldn't go, well, we just have this great comic because everyone else is looking at them.
So they're frozen.
Everyone's frozen by the 25, 26-year-olds who start accusing you of stuff.
Right.
Now, who chooses how people think about the world?
The media in general, right?
Social media, the New York Times makes a lot of public thought.
joe rogan
Podcasts have an impact.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Podcasts for sure.
Now, they're a little more free because you don't have Jamie pressuring you, but you have social pressure.
unidentified
No, this is a podcast.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You have social pressure of how to act, but it's not actually anyone on staff.
But that shit that happens at Comedy Central, the shit that happens at Bon Appetit, you also have that happening at the New York Times, which really legitimately does choose the way people think.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
So you have someone say, I want to run this story that says, this is what I found.
You have two 25, 26-year-olds who might go over your head on Slack.
Do you know what Slack is?
It's like a messaging service for just like work.
Go over your head to your boss, if you're their boss, and go, hey, he's doing something racially problematic or he's not hiring.
He's not sending our stories out because I'm a black person or because I'm an idiot.
Yeah, or I'm trans.
So now everyone at the New York Times has to cross-reference their stories with like, hey, you're a black reporter here.
Can you read this to make sure this is all okay?
And the black reporter's like, dude, I'm not fucking putting my name on that in case there's something you wrote wrong.
So they're all bending over backwards to make sure the 25-year-old is coddled, is okay.
And they're choosing how everyone thinks about the world.
So you'll see, even if they go a little bit more, let's say conservative leaning, or like, not even like, socially conservative leaning, they'll also finish it with, but you know, you also have to finish, you have to account for the other.
They can't just do that because they're afraid of those two girls.
They're afraid of them because they're running things.
We are fucked.
We are fucked as a society.
joe rogan
Or are they fucked?
Because I think we take over.
That's what I think.
I think rational people that are actual real human beings, they can have a conversation like we're having, where they're talking shit, but when we're serious, you can tell that we're being serious about these things.
ari shaffir
Well, we're in the in-between time, where we're still, we're raised thinking New York Times is the truth, so we're still like trying to, uh, uh, uh, and then now it's slowly shifting.
We're in the in-between, we're still looking to a place that's no longer giving us the truth for the truth.
And then soon we'll be like, we're ignoring you completely.
I get it.
Clickbait.
That's fine.
Keep getting it.
We're going here for actual real thought.
That's why Abby Martin quit, right?
She's like, you're not letting me do this stuff.
My friend Jake Hanrahan, who's like, I don't believe in the war stuff.
Barry Weiss.
joe rogan
Barry Weiss quit New York Times because they were too woke.
ari shaffir
I'd love to talk to her about that shit.
joe rogan
She would love to talk to you about it.
She'd talk to you about it.
Barry's awesome.
ari shaffir
She's looking right at you.
joe rogan
He's also a Jew.
ari shaffir
I do a podcast called, I would like to have you on it, about reporting in the problems at the New York Times.
I've already talked.
joe rogan
Tell her about your dad.
Holocaust survivor.
ari shaffir
My dad survived the Holocaust and actually helped kill Hitler.
He was like, I'm not sure I want to do this.
And he's like, do it, dude.
It's just a fucking, it's a weight loss pill.
Just take it.
joe rogan
I don't think that part's true.
But Barry had to leave New York Times.
She just couldn't do it anymore.
Is she still in New York?
I think she's got a substack now.
They're all realizing that you can make a lot of money on your own.
ari shaffir
But also what you can do is, if you're not driven by money, you can be artistically validated.
joe rogan
Yes.
But also, when you're at the New York Times for a certain amount of time, it validates you.
ari shaffir
You've already got your name.
joe rogan
Yeah, and people realize there's a lot of people that are former New York Times authors, and that's a part of their resume.
ari shaffir
You have used to write for New York Times.
My friend worked for South Park for two years, Brian Keith Edwards.
We did open mics together, great guy.
And then after two years, he asked his agent, I want to keep working there.
And they go, nah, dude, you're barely making any money.
That's a Comedy Central show.
Now you have that on your resume.
Three years or two years is the same.
joe rogan
Time to move.
ari shaffir
Let's go make you 20 grand a week.
joe rogan
Yeah, all these networks are just so saddled down.
I mean, if they got involved in the podcasting world, how quickly would they fuck it up?
Like, imagine if Comedy Central started producing podcasts.
Like, what if Comedy Central came in, swooped in, and all the executives from Comedy Central that were fucking with your show are fucking with all these different shows.
What exactly was the fallout with you and them?
I'm forgetting now why you wound up leaving that show.
What was it?
Do you remember?
ari shaffir
Yeah, no, I remember.
Before I start this, Ryan Moran was the only great person there.
He's still there.
He's a solid guy who always fought for me to say the real thing and be able to stop censorship as much as I can.
Everybody else there.
joe rogan
Kudos to you, sir.
ari shaffir
They lost their mind when I saw my special on Netflix.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
That's what it was.
You sold your special to Netflix instead of Comedy Central, and they were negotiating with you, as was Netflix, but Netflix paid a lot more money and it's a lot more exposure.
ari shaffir
Netflix didn't pay a lot more money.
joe rogan
They didn't?
ari shaffir
I made less than Netflix.
joe rogan
What are you, retarded?
ari shaffir
There's more exposure?
I want my stuff being seen.
What the fuck's wrong with you?
joe rogan
Take the loot.
I wish I was there.
ari shaffir
Also, it was a double special.
joe rogan
I wish I could go back and talk to you again.
ari shaffir
You know what I was going to do?
joe rogan
Tell you to keep the job?
Keep the money?
ari shaffir
You didn't.
You told me to walk away.
You gave me great advice.
You know what you said?
You know what Joe Rogan said?
He goes, I mean, I was crying on the phone with you.
Yeah, I remember that.
joe rogan
I was jerking off.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
When guys cry, I like to beat off.
ari shaffir
Didn't change it completely, but it alters.
Like, my thoughts on it now.
I'm gonna process that.
But, yeah, they were like, you're gonna have to walk away.
They said, we're gonna put all these people out of work on two weeks' notice.
Good luck to having them pay their rent.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right, yeah.
ari shaffir
And you go, well, I'll tell you what.
Why don't I host for you to keep going?
I'll do that for free.
He goes, don't pay me.
I'll do it for free.
Yeah, it was a tough time.
That's right.
joe rogan
I said I would step in for free to keep the show running so the people that work there got paid.
ari shaffir
They said, we're contractually obligated to 10 episodes.
We're going to do 20 so we can get your schedule so you can actually think about your stand-up all the time and not be editing constantly.
Do 20 at once and then we're going to put them out of work in no time.
And then it was like...
And then they start going out to other people to host.
joe rogan
And this was all just because you wouldn't do your special at Comedy Central?
ari shaffir
They were still in the place where they were thinking, like, we could compete with Netflix.
They weren't.
And we said, like, hey, more eyeballs will be on this not happening if I do a Netflix special.
And they said, these people are all fired now, but they said, like, what we see is we're adding more eyeballs to Netflix.
I was like...
joe rogan
I remember now.
I remember.
I completely forgot about it.
You know, I think the reason I forgot about it is it was so painfully stupid to me.
ari shaffir
It was so...
joe rogan
That when things like that happen, I swear to God, dude, I have like a file that I put that kind of stupid shit and I just shut the door and I just keep moving.
I've purposely blocked that out.
Now the moment you're saying it, now I'm getting angry again.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I remember that dumb fucking conversation where I just wanted to be in a room with these people.
And go, you idiots have no business dictating anything when it comes to art.
You don't know what the fuck you're doing.
You don't understand stand-up.
ari shaffir
They couldn't even show the thing I was showing.
I did a double special.
Not a two-part, a double special.
joe rogan
They wouldn't even be able to show it.
ari shaffir
And they're like, we're going to show one, we're not sure about the other.
I'm like, there is no other.
unidentified
They're together.
ari shaffir
It's a together.
They're both commenting on each other.
joe rogan
It's a child and adult special.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
On Netflix.
You can watch it now.
joe rogan
You can watch it now.
ari shaffir
What's it called?
Double Negative.
joe rogan
Double negative.
It's available now.
ari shaffir
Children, adulthood.
joe rogan
You can go watch it.
ari shaffir
You can watch it.
You should.
But like, it just isn't working.
I was so mad.
joe rogan
That's right.
unidentified
I remember.
ari shaffir
And then I was like, anyone I suggested to take over for me, I was like, how about I step away?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Let Burt host.
No, because he did his special on Showtime.
Let Big J host.
I'm like, I can still promote comics.
joe rogan
Why did they say no to me?
ari shaffir
That, oh, in the end it was because I suggested it.
I was so persona non grotto.
I suggested Henry Rollins, Ali Sadiq.
I'm like, this will fucking loft Ali Sadiq if you have him on.
He is of this show.
He's told multiple stories on this show.
My crowd knows him now.
Like, who's going to take over Chappelle's show?
Not some guy who's done one part Donnell and fucking...
Whatever his name is.
Dead fuck.
Charlie Murphy?
Charlie Murphy, yeah.
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
ari shaffir
Probably couldn't remember his name right away.
joe rogan
Dead fuck.
ari shaffir
The point is...
unidentified
Jesus Christ, dude.
ari shaffir
The point is...
All right.
joe rogan
He was my friend.
ari shaffir
That's a five-second rule.
unidentified
So...
So...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
You want a cigar?
You want a cigar?
I would love a cigar.
joe rogan
How about a cigar with my face on it?
unidentified
Ooh.
Look at that.
ari shaffir
What is this?
joe rogan
Foundation Cigars made special cigars.
ari shaffir
That's cool, dude.
joe rogan
Super legit cigars.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
With the JRE logo on it.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
By the way, everybody, I should stop and say this right now.
joe rogan
You're apologizing for dead fuck?
ari shaffir
No, I'm not apologizing for dead fuck.
I'll never apologize for anything fucking...
Oh, I didn't get the V cut.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's another lighter over there somewhere.
ari shaffir
Anytime I talk about this crazy shit that's happened in my life or whatever at all.
joe rogan
There's that little Stormtrooper one right there.
ari shaffir
Everything's great.
I'm smoking cigars.
unidentified
Yeah, you're great.
ari shaffir
The Joe Rogan experience.
unidentified
It's all good.
ari shaffir
I'm not complaining about life.
My life is fucking sick.
joe rogan
Ari and I have been friends forever.
We're tight.
ari shaffir
You know what I was going to do?
I wanted, I really wanted to pay the staff on my own.
I was gonna pay them, it was gonna be $750,000.
I figured it out.
By the line producer.
And I was gonna take all the money I made for the 10 episodes, that is gonna be about 300, something like that.
Have all my savings, and I was gonna, I didn't told you yet, but I was gonna borrow 400 grand from you.
joe rogan
You hadn't told me yet?
ari shaffir
I mean, I figured you would do it.
joe rogan
I would've given it to you.
ari shaffir
I know you would've.
joe rogan
100%.
ari shaffir
I know 100%.
That's why I was banking on it.
And I would've paid them, and I worked it off.
I would've paid you back, and I would've worked it off, and I would've said, hey everybody, Viacom has made it, so I am now broke, because I had to pay everybody, and I would've called their bluff, and they wouldn't, the other people wouldn't fucking do it.
We would've fucking won.
joe rogan
Yeah, those were nice.
ari shaffir
But Roy Wood stepped in.
He asked me.
joe rogan
Roy Wood's a shit, though.
ari shaffir
He is a shit.
He was like, hey, what's going on here?
He wasn't a cunt.
joe rogan
Luckily that he got it because he's such a cool motherfucker.
ari shaffir
Absolutely.
He was like, hey, shut this down.
What the fuck are they doing?
And I was like, hey, dude, if you don't take it, a lot of comics aren't getting an opportunity to fucking shine.
joe rogan
He's perfect.
ari shaffir
Someone has to.
He's perfect for that gig.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was perfect for that gig because you just want to help elevate that guy's signal.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's cool as fuck.
And he's really funny.
He's really smart too, man.
ari shaffir
One of the most underrated comics.
A definite crusher.
Like a crusher.
Like you have trouble following him kind of crusher.
Like it'll work you.
But like, doesn't quite get the credit that he deserves.
joe rogan
I'll tell you the most underrated comic in America.
Earthquake.
ari shaffir
Earthquake crushes.
joe rogan
He's one of the best comics alive.
ari shaffir
When you say the most, that makes an argument.
joe rogan
I think he's the best comic that he should be selling out arenas.
ari shaffir
And a long career, too.
When J.B. Smoove and him, when I started doing Black Rooms and stuff a little bit, when they were both crushing to the point of crying and choking, J.B. Smoove is not doing stand-up anymore.
He's not?
No, he went acting route.
It's fine.
He had a crushing career, but like...
Earthquake never stopped doing that.
joe rogan
Are you talking about a bombing story in front of J.B. Smooth?
ari shaffir
Bombed in front of him?
joe rogan
Ever tell you this story?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
That was a good one.
I was in New Jersey.
We had this gig at a college, and it was a weird gig.
The college was in the middle of New Jersey where bears live and shit.
People don't realize that New Jersey, you think of New Jersey, you think of like...
ari shaffir
Jersey Shore.
joe rogan
Yeah, or you think of Hackensack, like just out Hoboken.
ari shaffir
Literally nobody thinks of Hackensack.
joe rogan
Okay, Hoboken.
ari shaffir
Okay, I'll give you that.
joe rogan
Sorry.
I was really, I meant to say Hoboken, but I couldn't, didn't have it in the top of my head.
ari shaffir
Well, even with that Charlie Murphy thing now.
joe rogan
Anyway, this is in the 90s, okay?
So when you would get a gig for like a college, I would literally be on the phone with the booking agency, it was probably like Barry Katz Company, Boston Comedy, and I would have a pad and a pen of paper.
And they would go, okay, you take this highway, To this exit, exit 35. Remember those days?
And then you go five miles and you go down this road for six miles and you take the right-hand turn to this street.
Good cigars, right?
Legit.
Shout out to Foundation Cigars.
They're legit.
They made like a legit, very good cigar.
It's a very good cigar with my logo on it.
But he explained it to me like how they made it and everything.
Anyway, so this gig in Jersey is fucking hard to find, man.
It's hard to find.
It's confusing as shit.
And I went with my girlfriend at the time, right?
So we take this drive.
We go all the way down there.
And then we go to this place.
It's in the middle of fucking nowhere.
And it was hard to find.
And we were on time, barely.
But we got there and JB hadn't made it there yet.
JB was the opening act.
So I say, well, what do you guys want to do?
They said, well, we'll just give it some time.
We'll wait for him to get here.
In the meantime, here's like our little rec room.
You can sit here.
You can watch TV or something.
So I was like 24, something like that.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
23, 24. I was young and dumb and full of cum.
That's why my girlfriend was there.
And I was like...
ari shaffir
Can't bring your girlfriend to comedy shows.
Young Comics, stop bringing your girlfriend to comedy shows.
joe rogan
Well, if she's cool, you could bring her.
ari shaffir
Sit away from the other comics.
unidentified
It depends.
ari shaffir
Until they get to know her.
joe rogan
It depends.
It depends on the person.
It depends on the relationship.
Anyway, in this case, it was a college gig.
ari shaffir
Okay, that's fine.
joe rogan
You know, you'd show up like a mercenary, you'd do your job, and you'd drive two and a half hours home.
It was one of those gigs.
So, we're waiting.
And so I start watching TV, and I start watching this fucking show on the Malibu fires.
And it was so depressing.
It was so depressing.
There was this guy who was a fireman who was weeping, openly weeping, talking about how his house was just, like, miraculously spared, and then, like, maybe his neighbor's house was spared, and then, like, the guy across the street was gone, and five other houses were gone, and then two other houses.
You could see, like, this fire just, like, haphazard, just like the last fire.
They just, they jump, and embers land on roofs, and they light everything on fire, and then there's this little girl walking around, and she was calling out for her dog.
She's like, Rusty?
Where are you, Rusty?
Rusty?
And I'm sitting here so depressed.
And then the people walk in and go, well, JB isn't here, so we're just going to start with you.
Is that okay?
I go...
When do you want to start?
They go, we're going to start now.
I'm like, oh no.
So I went on stage.
ari shaffir
I have no respect this art form.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Well, they were kids.
They were kids.
They were my age or younger.
Younger.
Like I said, I was 23 or 24 and they were probably like 20. And they brought me in and they just, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Joe Rogan.
And I go on stage and just choke.
I was so depressed.
I was so bummed out and I was so dumb that I would watch something super depressing.
Not just watch something super depressing, but take it in.
Take in this guy crying.
This guy was weeping.
unidentified
This guy was like, I saved up all my money.
ari shaffir
You felt?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
This guy built this house with his bare hands.
And here's the thing about this guy that was so touching.
He didn't even lose his house.
He was sad that his neighbors lost his house.
He was sad that his house was still there and that he had survival guilt.
Because like three or four houses around him were gone.
And then this girl looking for her dog and I'm so bummed out.
unidentified
And I just choked on shit.
joe rogan
I bombed so hard, and I remember I could tell my girlfriend was so unattracted to me when I got off stage.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, you told me that early.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
For us, you can get lit.
You can just grab a girl like, you want to go?
unidentified
Let's go.
ari shaffir
But bomb, and your own girlfriend is like, hey, I gotta rethink this.
joe rogan
She was looking at me like, what was that?
I was like, what was that?
Jesus, I don't know.
I just choked.
I ate shit.
It was terrible.
I was saying the right jokes.
It's not like I forgot my jokes.
I just did not have any feeling.
And then, JB went up after me.
I go, is he here?
And I brought up JB Smooth and he murdered me.
ari shaffir
So you couldn't even be like, it's not a good crowd?
joe rogan
I mean, he murdered!
ari shaffir
He murdered!
unidentified
He was so loose.
ari shaffir
He used to crush.
joe rogan
And he was so late.
I mean, he showed up like 40 minutes.
Not everybody would have been late to this fucking ridiculous gig.
It was in the middle of the woods, man.
You couldn't get there.
It was so hard to find.
I don't remember what the university was, but it was...
Look, I was not getting like Rutgers.
I was getting like some shit universities.
I was a nobody.
I had no credits.
I had no credits.
I just did one NACA convention.
I got a few colleges, you know?
And so he went on afterwards and just murdered.
And I remember watching him going, God damn, he's funny.
ari shaffir
He's so funny.
He would do more with less words.
unidentified
He was like, you ever see a girl, her hair pulled back too tight?
ari shaffir
And then that was the setup.
And for the next four and a half minutes, five minutes, just go...
joe rogan
He was so likable.
He's so likable, like when he's doing his bits, you want to laugh at him.
ari shaffir
Most underrated comics?
joe rogan
Earthquake.
ari shaffir
Earthquake?
joe rogan
Number one.
ari shaffir
Okay, but let's do a top five or something, or many that we know.
joe rogan
Earthquake's, in my opinion, Earthquake's number one, because I've seen Earthquake murder at the Comedy Store one night.
ari shaffir
He never doesn't.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ari shaffir
He never doesn't.
joe rogan
But it was like thunderous.
No one got a break.
No pause.
ari shaffir
No pause.
joe rogan
Thunderous.
ari shaffir
I saw him do five at Kim Whitley and Buddy Lewis' Black Room at the Ha Ha.
And just do five.
And just like, came on.
He was already well known in the black community.
I didn't know him, you know?
I didn't know Paul Mooney.
So it's like, I never even know him.
And then he's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
He's just like that.
unidentified
Boom, boom, boom.
Earthquake.
Boom.
ari shaffir
Put the mic down on the stand and walked out.
Not even in the stand, on the stool.
Just go, boom, boom, boom.
Earthquake.
And it was like, blah!
It was so fucking cool!
joe rogan
Murderous.
ari shaffir
I was like, that's the line?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And it's like, I don't even know if anybody's seen anybody touch that line.
joe rogan
He can murder as much as Joey Diaz killing on like a Wednesday night when he's high as fuck at the comedy store.
unidentified
Earthquake's...
ari shaffir
Earthquake?
joe rogan
Number one, underrated.
ari shaffir
I get it.
We're talking about underrated.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Roy Wood, I agree.
joe rogan
Roy Wood's very underrated.
ari shaffir
I agree, those two.
I would say, even though he's known as a legend, I don't think he gets the respect that he deserves.
I think he's a number one comic in New York.
David Tell.
unidentified
Yes.
ari shaffir
He's respected high, but not as high as he is good.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He's respected amongst comics and amongst comedy fans.
ari shaffir
Crushes new material constantly.
joe rogan
Constantly.
ari shaffir
Watching him, I saw Eddie Griffin and Mark Curry in the back when I was an employee at the store, watching Paul Mooney.
And I remember hearing them.
I forgot which one was there already.
The other one walked up.
They know each other, like both celebrities at the time.
And I'm like, what you doing?
And the other just goes watching the legend.
And they both just turned and watched him for 20 minutes.
Because he was.
He was a legend.
That's what we do with the tell.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
We're just like, damn.
We learn how to, like, that's how you write a joke, okay?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Last time I worked with Attell was at the Improv, and it was not a big crowd.
It was a fairly small crowd.
I was doing a spot.
I don't remember.
I don't think it was my show.
I think it was somebody else's show.
But it was a late night spot.
You know, it's like probably like 11.45 Attell goes up and just murders.
And we were sitting in the back.
It was, oh, that's right.
It was me and my friend Tom.
Tommy Hershko was there.
And we were in the back and he was murdering.
I mean, just straight up murdering.
And I was just thinking like, God, I don't see this guy enough.
He's so good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So clever.
His joke writing is so on.
I don't even know how to describe it.
joe rogan
And he hates everything he does.
As soon as he does, like, oh, that joke's terrible.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
But like, that was a crushing set.
And he's on such a high level that he can analyze.
Like, if you're a fourth grader writing a paper, you're like, it's a pretty good paper.
But a college professor would be like, that would be a terrible paper for me.
So he's operating on a level that a fourth grader wouldn't understand.
So you're like, that was a good joke.
It was a dumb switch!
Like, he'll break it down as his two, like...
Minor for him or something?
joe rogan
Part of what makes him great is that he doesn't appreciate himself.
It sounds so crazy, but it is true.
ari shaffir
Makes him keep driving.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
That happens to a lot of people.
The more you don't appreciate yourself, the less you're likely to puff yourself up.
So the more you're likely to critique yourself, so the more you're likely to tighten everything up and make sure your bits are the best they could possibly be.
ari shaffir
Anywhere you see him on your lineup, you're going to have a great night if you go.
joe rogan
He's one of the best of all time.
ari shaffir
He's performing now.
But like, he'll do things too where like...
We're like, he'll tackle subjects that aren't, so a lot of comics, now that it's more easily able to film specials, they're like always forming your special, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Going towards a special.
But he's like, hey, here's a topical joke.
I got probably about a three-week run on this.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
Because what I take as his theory, I don't know.
But he goes, it's my job as a comic to tackle this for three weeks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Until it's done.
It won't be on anything.
joe rogan
Right, but if you go to the cellar right after that happens and you see a tell, he'll have a bid on it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's a guy that was the most imitated unconsciously.
I think some people did it consciously, but a lot of people were just doing it.
They didn't know why.
They just had a cadence that sounded like a tail.
ari shaffir
He came to visit the store one week every...
Two years, and for the next month after that, all my new jokes were in a tell cadence.
I couldn't help it.
It just came out.
joe rogan
There's a lot of guys like that.
I had a problem with Richard Jenny like that, and when I first started out, I was imitating Richard Jenny.
He's a dead fuck, too.
I didn't know him like I knew Charlie, so I could accept you saying that.
ari shaffir
Fair enough.
Yeah, that one.
Brody, for sure.
joe rogan
Brody, for sure.
Super underrated.
ari shaffir
No, Brody in terms of imitatable.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
So, yes!
ari shaffir
I'd have David Taylor from the back.
We would do this with each other.
Actually, he just did it for me.
If I started talking like Brody, he would interrupt me.
I'd ask him to.
Just go, you're doing Brody!
Like in the middle of a set.
Thank you.
And stop.
Who else is underrated?
It's a tough one because it's not like who's good.
joe rogan
There's so much media now.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Chappelle's not underrated, right?
joe rogan
Right, no.
ari shaffir
So it's like who's underrated.
joe rogan
How can you be underrated when people think you're the GOAT? Who's underrated?
ari shaffir
It's mostly low-level comics who don't have the name yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's mostly people on the come up.
Yeah, it's mostly people on the way up.
Yeah.
Well, if we find them, we'll broadcast them.
That's one of the cool things about our group, at least.
Like, when we find someone who's really good, we don't suppress a fucking thing.
That's one of the saddest things when you meet a comic who suppresses whether or not someone's good or not, and they try to pretend someone's not that good when you know they're a murderer.
ari shaffir
I try to post, I'm always looking for like, I have this problem with Instagram.
I'm off Twitter, but on Instagram, I'm like, I don't want to do anything serious.
I feel like it's lame.
It's a comic to do something serious.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
So I'm like, how can I promote those, those tour posters are a good way to promote and be funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
And so, like, how can I fill content on there?
And one way I figured it out is I'll just post funny comics clips on my Instagram.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
That's a good move.
ari shaffir
Takes up time.
People who follow me are like, oh, that's funny.
Thank you for this funny thing.
And then you can promote somebody.
joe rogan
I do a lot of that just to encourage people.
ari shaffir
Oh, you're the best at it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You're the best at it.
joe rogan
I like to encourage.
Well, I have a crazy platform.
You do?
I feel like I have an obligation.
I really do.
And it's weird, man.
The obligation's very weird.
The responsibilities that come with it are very strange.
ari shaffir
But you doing that?
You promoting comics and stuff?
I mean, it's a joke, writing Joe Rogan's coattails, but you've helped all of us a ton.
So it's like, that's your tithing.
That's your giving back to charity.
You don't believe in the Catholic Church.
You believe in the Catholic Church of comedy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
So, like, let me donate to comedy by having on Ali McCas.
Somebody new on this podcast would be like, let me push you up.
joe rogan
Brian Simpson the other day.
ari shaffir
Brian Simpson.
joe rogan
Brian Simpson was up and coming.
It was fantastic.
unidentified
Great.
ari shaffir
I've seen him.
He's funny.
joe rogan
He's funny as fuck, dude.
ari shaffir
Is he living here now or back in LA? He goes back and forth.
Okay, great.
joe rogan
Once we open up.
unidentified
Woo!
Woo!
ari shaffir
He's going to do the Netflix half hours the next year.
joe rogan
Yes.
He's very, very good.
He's got massive potential.
He's a 10-year guy.
So he's 10 years in.
ari shaffir
That's the exact time.
joe rogan
Yep, yep, yep.
Matured.
Got his act down.
Got his delivery down.
Got his confidence down.
ari shaffir
Those guys are the best when they're unfounded 10 years because you get to finish cooking.
The seven years when they get discovered too early, it's like, oh, you weren't done.
You got taken out of the oven too fast.
joe rogan
If you do a special at five years, you're fucked.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and then you think you're good.
joe rogan
Then people will watch that special and go, yuck.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, the first time I got on MTV, I think I'd been doing comedy for five years.
ari shaffir
And it was like...
joe rogan
It's not that good.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Somebody's got to find that.
joe rogan
It's out there.
ari shaffir
Can you find that?
joe rogan
People can find it.
ari shaffir
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
It's out there.
Yeah, it's not very good.
Oh, so cute, though.
ari shaffir
Full head of hair.
joe rogan
Full head of hair, 170 pounds.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, that's the old Joe Rogan headshot.
Can you bring that up?
It's so slim.
I mean, your face is completely different.
I don't know what makes a head grow that big, but something.
joe rogan
Testosterone.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
And a lot of lifting weights.
ari shaffir
I was going to say it, but yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of lifting weights.
And then a lot of just mass.
When I lost weight, though, when I... That's me.
ari shaffir
Wow, look at that.
The same size shirt you wear now.
joe rogan
Yeah, basically.
ari shaffir
It's just draping off you.
joe rogan
So you gotta realize, this is like 93?
Yeah.
92 or 93?
Yeah.
Don't give me any volume.
Shut that off.
Turn that off now.
I'll fucking projectile vomit on Ari's stupid shirt.
Dude, I have worse shit.
I have some shit that I found.
I have some VHS tapes for me just starting out.
I was like 1989. Oh, it's so bad.
It's so bad.
ari shaffir
The problem is if you put them up, it's going to be a lot of like, oh, you're awful, which is fine.
It'll hurt, but also you're right.
But then also, this is what'll hurt more.
You get like, I kind of liked it.
No!
It's the worst comment.
joe rogan
I had a couple good jokes.
I had a couple good bits.
ari shaffir
You were good enough to get on TV. It wasn't like you had nothing, nothing.
It's just you're looking back at it from where you are now to there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wasn't selling out arenas.
I wasn't even thinking I was ever going to.
ari shaffir
You were so small.
joe rogan
Well, that was when I was, you've got to realize, I was just retiring from fighting.
When I fought, I fought the last fights I had, the kickboxing fights, were at 160 pounds.
ari shaffir
160?
That's so svelte.
That's Burt Kreischer weight.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't lift any weights back then.
That's me when I was on Hardball.
That was the first year that I was on television.
ari shaffir
You had the first Joker tattoo already.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I got that when I was 20. 20 or 21. That's me in...
unidentified
God, I was going to say 93, I think.
joe rogan
That's around the same time.
Yeah.
There you go.
Say 93?
94. 1994. There you go.
ari shaffir
I was happy.
joe rogan
I was super happy.
Yeah, I like that tattoo.
That's dope.
unidentified
Thanks.
joe rogan
Who did that?
It's really good.
ari shaffir
This guy in Montanita.
This dude I saw, we just rented a car and just did loops around Ecuador.
There's Amazon, mountains, and beach.
Three very different regions run by different indigenous people and different cultures and stuff.
So I bought a t-shirt from him.
I'm like, oh, this t-shirt is really cool.
A bunch of Shuar warriors.
And he goes, I made it.
That's my t-shirt.
I designed it.
I was like, oh, fucking red.
Then later, I was like, listen, I thought I might be here a month.
I've been here five and a half months.
I should get a tattoo of this place, of this experience.
It was so freeing, dude.
Oh, man, I wish we could have.
It was so freeing.
joe rogan
Some people visited you.
ari shaffir
Joe List and Sarah visited me.
A lot of people said they would.
Joe List and Sarah visited me.
joe rogan
Who said they wouldn't but didn't?
Let's shame them.
ari shaffir
Shame is the right one.
It's Shame Gillis.
joe rogan
Shame Gillis.
ari shaffir
Why has that never crossed my mind before?
joe rogan
Shame Gillis.
ari shaffir
Shame Gillis.
joe rogan
Because he was drinking.
ari shaffir
Photoshoppers, start your work.
Shame Gillis.
joe rogan
He was drinking those Bud Lights and he got sleepy.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he said he was going to come and then he started getting a hell of road work.
joe rogan
Oh, well, it's hard to judge him on that.
I mean, the kid got canceled.
unidentified
That's fair.
ari shaffir
I'm the one who tipped off that reporter, too.
What if that's secretly just trying to get ahead by doing that?
joe rogan
It's for your own good, Shane.
SNL's not for you.
ari shaffir
Gillian Keeves.
Guys, go YouTube.
joe rogan
Gillian Keeves is one of the very best sketch shows that has ever existed.
unidentified
We watched them.
ari shaffir
Our friends.
joe rogan
They're so good.
ari shaffir
Even my Normcore friends.
joe rogan
So good.
ari shaffir
Even my Normcore friends.
There's a new Gillian Keeves.
I don't know what his schedule is.
joe rogan
The Trump speed dating thing is fucking brilliant.
The new one, the Sibian dad, the OnlyFans dad.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's a great one.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's good.
ari shaffir
Dude, you know in the Trump dating one?
Yeah.
The chick at the end, the Republican chick who really likes him?
That's my social media manager.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
unidentified
That's Kyla.
joe rogan
You know what's really funny, man?
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's just who she really is.
joe rogan
It's literally some of the best sketch comedy that I've ever seen in my life, and he's free.
ari shaffir
No rules, just right.
joe rogan
Because there's no rules.
He can say whatever he wants.
ari shaffir
Make him a bid.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's so good.
And SNL, I swear to God, it's better this way.
It's better.
It's better to do this.
It's going to take more time for people to see him, but you saw the pop that he got the other night at Vulcan when he went on?
Jesus Christ, they go crazy.
ari shaffir
It's better this way.
It would be nice if it's not like him deciding, hey, I don't want to do this.
It's unfair.
Like they say, he'll do great, but he could have taken over that show.
joe rogan
Did you see when Norm Macdonald went after SNL? Norm Macdonald went after SNL and he posted a clip of Gillian Keeves, a genius clip, and he said, this is better than anything that SNL's done.
And he put this up, you fucking idiots, you lost this guy.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, Norm Macdonald did that.
ari shaffir
I don't think Norm wanted to lose him.
joe rogan
Norm Macdonald, he didn't.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shane was talking about it.
Look, it was out of their hands.
unidentified
Everybody was going crazy.
ari shaffir
You're saying shame now casually.
joe rogan
He just said it.
ari shaffir
All they refer to him as Shane Gillis.
joe rogan
He's great.
ari shaffir
I love him.
Everybody loves Shay.
joe rogan
It kind of bummed me out, though, because there was a moment on the podcast where he said that he was hoping that I was going to come and save him.
He said, I was hoping I was going to come and have him on my podcast.
I was like, really?
ari shaffir
You know, why?
joe rogan
Why?
ari shaffir
Because this is a giant platform that people that start comics, starting comics, are like, this is the thing to get.
I mean, I told somebody, I saw one of my openers from Cap City a long time ago.
Might have opened for my special, I don't know, but like...
He was waiting in town for it.
I was like, I'm just hanging out.
I'm going to do Rogue.
He goes, congratulations.
I was like, oh.
That's funny.
joe rogan
I was on episode two.
ari shaffir
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
He was there back in 2009. You were on those ones that we used to do in the green room.
Remember when Joey Diaz would get mad at us?
ari shaffir
Shut the fucking laptop!
Shut the fucking thing off!
joe rogan
What are you doing, cocksucker?
ari shaffir
If we just knew then, all we had to do to calm Diaz down is just give him some coke.
We should've just brought coke with us.
joe rogan
Well, or edibles.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he was getting off the coke then.
Those days, the 2009 days were Joey Diaz coke days.
People see old clips of him and you go, why is he so angry?
You don't understand what it's like when someone's on coke or quitting coke.
ari shaffir
Quitting anything.
joe rogan
They're maniacs.
And Joey was just a beautiful soul trapped in the body of a person who's addicted to cocaine.
Joey's one of the nicest fucking people I've ever met in my life.
He's so nice.
ari shaffir
I visit him.
I love him.
joe rogan
I love him to death.
I love him.
And people, you know, they don't...
ari shaffir
Who doesn't?
joe rogan
I mean, maybe some people don't, but I think those people don't know him.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
He doesn't even get the backlash shit.
I don't even think he gets it.
joe rogan
He got a little of it when that bit came out, when a segment of the podcast where he was joking around about something.
They just don't understand his humor.
Like, he exaggerates.
Everything's an exaggeration and not real.
It's like gonzo journalism.
ari shaffir
They asked me, too, is that a real story sometimes with his stuff?
They're like, is that real?
I'm like, you're concentrating on the wrong thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
ari shaffir
You're fact-checking a novel.
Yeah.
Dude.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
ari shaffir
Just go enjoy it.
You're not going to enjoy it.
joe rogan
But the thing is, you don't know that if you're on the outside and you just see a clip.
You go, oh, that guy's a piece of shit.
And I'm a piece of shit for laughing at him.
Because the joke was...
ari shaffir
You could punch a tranny.
It's like, come on, dude.
He's never punched a transsexual.
All that stuff.
I know.
joe rogan
It was worse than that.
ari shaffir
Don't even.
Don't even.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It was genius.
His bit that he did about taking a Vicodin and a girl with one leg sucked his dick and he shot a nut in her eye and she got dizzy from the Vicodin...
ari shaffir
Oh, I didn't know it was that one.
That's a funny one.
unidentified
It's so ridiculous.
ari shaffir
That's a funny one.
joe rogan
He told that to Tom and Christina, and you can see, like, Christina's like, she's on your mom's house, and Tom is howling, laughing.
Tom looks like a cherry.
He's so red from laughing and holding his breath.
He looks like a cherry.
Joey's just a classic human being.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I tell the story a million times, but one of the reasons why I started taking three people on the road with me...
You gonna piss again?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
No, tell it, because this is how I got into the fuck...
Any help from you, I got from Joey Diaz's habits.
joe rogan
Yeah, Joey Diaz was so...
He was so crazy back then.
Do you need a new jug?
I don't want you pissing over my carpet.
ari shaffir
These mobile bottles, dude, they're fucking huge.
joe rogan
It's 64 ounces.
ari shaffir
It's great.
joe rogan
That's what I piss most times.
Oh, look, Ari's dick again.
Interesting.
Listen, can you hear it?
Spotify, does that offend you?
Well, then listen to those rap lyrics, which I love, by the way.
I don't hate the rap lyrics.
I love them.
But if you're playing NWA and you're mad at me, Anyway, Joey was unreliable.
Not always, but a certain percentage of the time.
We did a lot of gigs together.
ari shaffir
But he wouldn't give you notice.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I'll never forget the one time that I talked to him.
He was supposed to be in New Jersey, and he said he was going to be there the first day, but something happened.
He got fucked up.
He got lost, and something happened.
I'll be there tomorrow.
I'll see you tomorrow.
And then the next day, I'm on the phone with him.
Five minutes before the show, he goes, I'm not going to lie to you, dog.
I never left Vegas.
unidentified
You You've been lying to me!
joe rogan
He knew I loved him.
He knew I loved him.
So what I said was, okay, what I'm gonna do is...
ari shaffir
This is crazy what you're about to say.
As a boss, this is crazy.
joe rogan
I said, instead of having one opening act, I'll just have two opening acts.
That way, if Joey doesn't show up, I always have an opening act.
ari shaffir
You'll have at least one.
joe rogan
Well, I was like, I'm going to bring my friends because I've done the whole thing on the road before.
ari shaffir
In the business world, that would be like, hey, you're showing up drunk and I can't trust you.
I'm not going to fire you.
I'll hire another person so now I have two employees doing the same job.
joe rogan
No, he's a genius.
He's a genius and he taught me some very important things about comedy just from hanging around with him.
He taught me about economy of words.
And I knew about it as a concept, but I could see about it and just his understanding of how to tell a joke and how to tell a story.
He didn't have any...
There was no fluff.
He knew you had a short attention span.
ari shaffir
He wasn't doing moth stories.
He was doing does not happening stories.
joe rogan
He was coming at you guns blazing.
And also, he was so...
Some people say they don't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
Joey Diaz embodied it.
A fuck.
joe rogan
Embodied it.
Didn't give any fucks.
ari shaffir
Go with him or not.
It's up to you.
Enjoy it or get lost.
Either way, it's okay.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha!
joe rogan
When he would laugh like that.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
ari shaffir
He'd do something crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He'd stop.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
He was just so happy.
And happy that he was loved.
There's a thing about Joey and me is that Joey knew unconditionally that I love him.
And he knew it didn't matter.
No matter what crazy shit he did, I was never going to go, hey man, I can't fuck with you anymore.
There was never that possibility.
So he could always be free.
I always would try to help him.
ari shaffir
He would yell at you to your face.
He was one of the few people who relied on you for money.
Not relied on you, but you gave him money.
You gave all of us money.
If you're like, hey, let's go downstairs in 10 minutes.
Be down there in 10 minutes.
And you took your time.
Whatever.
It's not my favorite quality, but you took your time.
And then 30 minutes later, you weren't down there.
You're like, oh, sorry, I had to do this and this.
He goes, don't fucking leave me down there like an asshole!
You say 20, 10 minutes?
Be there in 10 minutes!
And I'm like, dude, he's not gonna...
But you would never not...
You would be like, sorry.
joe rogan
That wasn't cool.
ari shaffir
You're right.
joe rogan
He would get tense.
Yeah.
He always had a short fuse.
But when he said that, it's like, I know people like him.
He doesn't not love you.
And he knew that I always loved him.
That was part of our relationship.
So when Joey was unreliable, I was like, there's a couple of gigs where I didn't have an opening act.
And one of them was in Phoenix.
We hired that dude who was on Walking Dead.
Josh...
ari shaffir
McDermott.
joe rogan
Josh McDermott, who wound up being that guy on Walking Dead, who was a liar, remember?
Pretending to be a scientist?
Brilliant, brilliant.
Funny comic, too.
I don't know if he's still doing comedy anymore.
Did he stop?
Got a hit show, right?
ari shaffir
No, that's why you started bringing me.
I got that role.
joe rogan
So I said, okay, I'm going to start bringing two opening acts.
Which, at the time, I wasn't making that much money on the road.
ari shaffir
Nobody brings an emcee.
You bring just the feature.
And not everyone did that back then.
You gave us a raise?
You were giving us $150, which, I mean, I should be making $50 a show to MC. You were giving me $150, like, now you're a headliner, which I've tried to do myself for people.
You were like, hey, you're getting $150, you're a headliner, you should get headline money.
And then at some point, I was at Pink Dot when I got the call.
You go, hey, no, never asked for it.
You just go, hey, I realize that wasn't fair, you're getting $250 now.
So it's an extra fucking $500 a week for like...
I was already getting paid well.
joe rogan
Yeah, but when we were doing, like, Thursday through Sunday, it's nice you go home with a few grand.
ari shaffir
Dude, I wouldn't touch my wallet the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh, that was nice.
ari shaffir
Segura's first time coming.
He's like, let me pay you.
And I'm like, oh, no, Tom, you can try.
You're not going to be able to do it.
Like, if you go to Starbucks on your own, you can pay, and that's about it.
Well, it was great.
I tried to pass it down.
It was great.
joe rogan
It's a good quality, and I think Tom passes it down.
I think most guys who we took on the road, they did pass that down.
They do treat their opening acts very well.
And they do also try to pump each other up, like have funny people on their shows.
And that's one of the beautiful things about podcasts.
We've said this ad nauseum, but it's true.
We're not competitive with each other.
We help each other.
It's an organic network.
Everybody supports everybody.
ari shaffir
There's these guys who do Are You Garbage?
It's a podcast.
They just ask questions to find out if you're a garbage person or not.
It's a great theme because you end up telling stories like, have you ever microwaved eggs?
Shit like that where you wouldn't have told this story before.
It gets you thinking of new stuff.
And I'm like, fun thing.
I know my name carries some weight, so let me be on there.
And so did Sodor.
So did all these people.
Now they're bigger.
Now if I got to promote something, I now have just self-serving.
It wasn't the reason for it, but I'm like, I now have a big platform that I can go on.
Of course, helping each other just helps ourselves.
joe rogan
It helps everybody.
And it helps everybody if you have good people on because then people go, oh, I want to tune into Ari's show.
He has some great guests.
Right?
So it helps them because they get promoted by your podcast.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it helps you because your podcast looks good.
And that's my approach.
My approach was always, like, have the coolest, funniest, best people on and promote them.
ari shaffir
So did Seinfeld, so did Conan.
This is a way of success through raising other people up.
joe rogan
Yes.
And it feels good, man.
When other people do really well, it actually feels good.
ari shaffir
Because your...
Partially, like, that's my thing.
I made that.
No, you helped.
joe rogan
Helped!
unidentified
Helped is nice.
ari shaffir
So you get to take some of the...
It wasn't just like it happened completely without me.
It's like, your help's like, hey, some of the work I put in there, if you're a grip on a movie that wins an Oscar, you're like, I helped with that.
It's nice.
joe rogan
Okay, I guess that, yeah.
But the most I thought of it is just...
Look, I fucking love comedy, man.
I've always loved comedy.
ari shaffir
Did I tell you what I saw when I was on Ayahuasca?
Did I tell you about that?
joe rogan
What'd you say?
ari shaffir
I went to the jungle.
Did it fun.
It was weird and interesting.
Heard about it.
We were like, we're going to do it eventually, but let's wait until it's offered to us, I guess, or until it comes.
joe rogan
Until the universe calls you.
ari shaffir
Sort of, but we should do it here.
It's the Amazon.
We keep going to the Amazon every month or so.
It was interesting.
There was some shaman lady and a Far outside one of the main towns in the Amazon, about an hour and a half away.
Had to cross a bridge to get there.
Met this shaman.
Her son was training to be a shaman.
Just this fucking headdress with a monkey skull on it.
And a jaguar skin drum that they would beat.
joe rogan
Jaguar skin?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Who killed a jaguar?
His uncle.
The guy's training uncle.
So the shaman's brother.
Or brother-in-law.
So, you know, have you done it?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
It's interesting.
unidentified
Have you done regular DMT? Once and I didn't get there.
Oh.
ari shaffir
Which is, as I say it out loud, that's a moronic thing that I haven't done it more.
But, it's not that people haven't given it to me.
I just, I don't know.
I just always want to set aside time.
It's stupid.
I'm going to do it.
joe rogan
It's scary.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's scary.
joe rogan
It's part of what it is.
It's like you disappear.
ari shaffir
People ask me about mushrooms, because I promote mushrooms a lot.
Shroom Fest this year, August 21st to 23rd, it's an excuse to do mushrooms.
Anytime.
August 21st to 23rd.
joe rogan
Or it's a celebration of mushrooms.
ari shaffir
Celebration of mushrooms.
Absolutely.
People all over the world are doing it.
But people are like, I'm scared.
I'm like, I'm scared.
Like, what do you mean?
How many times have you done it?
I'm like, a hundred?
They're like, aren't you scared?
I'm scared every time.
joe rogan
Every time.
Every time.
ari shaffir
Anyway.
joe rogan
I've done DMT, I don't know, somewhere less than ten times.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
More than seven, less than ten.
I'm not sure.
But every time I do it, I'm white knuckled.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Fucking terrified.
Terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you can't escape.
ari shaffir
You're losing control.
joe rogan
You can't escape truth.
ari shaffir
It's taking you where you want.
So this guy, they have this familiar who like really loves the- Like a vampire familiar?
Like that.
That's what I call it, that.
So he's not that.
He's done ayahuasca in this community.
I'm not going to say names, but he's done it there.
And he just wants to spread the idea of it.
So he finds people, like, hey, come, and we'll do whatever.
So he's told me some stories.
He goes, his son took it, 19 years old.
Oh, let me actually say this one second.
They had a Sicario went and did it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Hitman.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Seeing whatever he's seeing on ayahuasca and just, he said, punching the ground.
Screaming.
Crying.
Because there's all this stress, this trauma to work out.
Why?
Why?
The lives that he's taken has hit him for the first time.
And then when he's finished, he comes back.
He goes, hey, I'm done with that life.
I'm not doing that anymore.
They won't let me leave, so I have to disappear.
That's a new life now, but I can't go back to it.
joe rogan
Fuck.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Another one was a guy was dating a woman.
The guy never wanted kids.
The woman did.
It was always a sticking point in their relationship.
They loved each other.
It was a sticking point.
Every six months or so would pop up.
You kind of know these arguments, right?
They're never going to go away because it's their butting heads.
But then he was like, oh, we're having a great time.
Put it back away.
Then every six months a year would pop up again.
Ayahuasca, he realized on this, he goes, oh, we're just not right for each other.
He goes, 10 years later, he and the girl with her new husband and kids are good friends.
They're fine.
He said his kid, this familiar, 19, took the ayahuasca, was just kind of like, he had no trauma to work out.
joe rogan
Wow.
Just had a good time.
ari shaffir
It was interesting.
They take you down there.
They say, don't eat for a day before.
We had a light dinner before.
Rice and a banana.
Nothing.
The morning, nothing.
They take you to a waterfall.
The waterfall is a spirit of cleansing.
These are Kichwa people.
So all waterfalls, but there's one nearby.
And so you feel the energy being taken away from you.
They say it washes away the bad, keeps the good, and the bad washes away down the river.
And then just kind of relax all day till it's sunset, till it's nightfall.
He asked us ahead of time, what drugs have you taken?
In like a broken Spanish.
My partner's Spanish.
I didn't.
But broken.
His Spanish wasn't that good.
What did he speak?
joe rogan
What does that sound like?
ari shaffir
It's different.
I don't know.
It's not based on any Spanish.
They have like a slang, which Spanish has come into it, but there's no written language in Quechua.
So anything written down is like, that's in the last hundred years.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
You know?
My name means yes in Spanish.
In Quechua.
Ari means yes.
Yes!
Every time they're like, what's your name?
Brody.
Like Ari.
joe rogan
Think of Brody.
ari shaffir
Ari?
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know.
I heard it.
So they lead you from a hut that you're staying down.
They stop.
They go, stop, listen to the insects in the river.
He goes, that's going to be amplified soon.
Okay.
He comes and the woman, the shaman, wears this headdress and she beats you with these leaves and rubs this...
Says whatever chant she says and rubs a stone all over you.
Gives you the ayahuasca.
Tastes like fucking ass.
Tastes like whatever's left in this ashtray.
And you just drink it down.
They say, your partner is on the other side of the fire.
You're on this side of the fire.
You don't talk.
He's having his trip.
You're having your trip.
That's it.
You might throw up because the ayahuasca doesn't make a trip.
The ayahuasca takes everything out of you.
And then the Chacruna was the...
joe rogan
Oh, it's a different drug.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So ayahuasca clears you unless a chacruna, in this case, do it.
They showed me where the ayahuasca came from.
Planted 80 years before they planted it.
So, drank it.
I'm laying there on a mat.
It's just like a thin, thin mat next to this fire in this like hut hut.
I'm a bit worried about like anacondas and jaguars and stuff, but like...
So she says, the shaman says, I'm your mother here.
The ayahuasca, the root, is your grandmother.
My son, who's training to be a shaman, he is your brother.
And the fire is your ancestors.
So I drank it.
He said, stare at the fire for about five minutes, then go lay down.
My partner started throwing up.
Ten minutes in.
Going to the edge.
There's two entrances to the thing.
Throw it up.
I just wasn't coming.
It wasn't coming.
A little bit of like a light cap and a stem mushroom feel.
For about...
I don't know, an hour and a half or so.
And then I started getting nauseous, but I'm trying to choke it down, like, don't, don't.
And then it hit me like, oh, I think I'm supposed to, like, supposed to throw up.
So I kind of, like, pitch black, I mean, away from the fire, went to the edge, and then, like, you know how you can, like, sort of, like, and then barfed, like, a little bit, and then just unloaded.
I was afraid it would be like retching and retching.
It wasn't that.
Just like unloaded.
And then he's right there, the shaman's like trainee son with a bowl of water.
He goes, swish around, don't drink it.
And he goes, are you having visions?
Dude, I don't know how he was...
I don't know how he was communicating with me, to be honest, because I barely speak Spanish, and he barely speaks Spanish.
joe rogan
Enough.
ari shaffir
I guess.
He was like, are you having visions?
And I was like, yeah, they're more kind of mental, like mental mushrooms.
And he goes, okay, go back, be strong.
I don't know how he was conveying this to me.
But he was like, okay, go be strong.
Go lay down there and you have to be strong.
So then it just opened up.
joe rogan
So more than an hour and a half in?
ari shaffir
More than an hour and a half in.
Of a seven hour trip.
Wow.
Yeah, it took a while.
The partner was going immediately.
But like...
I see these, like, fractals and, like, geometric shapes and occasional, like, splashes of...
And this is the thatch roof of the hut, right?
So nothing's there.
And an occasional, like, real splash of, like, vivid neon light And then I started seeing these like orbs kind of like going up into the fractals.
And then the more I look forward and back, I'm on my back, the more I look forward, backwards, side to side, there's just hundreds or thousands of these orbs, these small orbs going up into the fractals and just sort of like playing with each other.
These orbs, they were kind of like had a life to them.
So, like, and then at some point, from me comes this orb and sort of, like, goes up.
And then I started examining what the orbs are.
So, look, I don't know.
I don't know about any of this stuff.
But this is just what it gave me.
I don't know, you know, same as mushrooms.
I don't know if it's just scientific or if it's, like, another realm, whatever.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
The orbs were, I call it when you pure something, when you pure it.
To me, they were moments of pure artistic expression.
You ever have a set or a roll where you're like, I hit every fucking move?
joe rogan
You get in the zone.
ari shaffir
In the zone, sure.
You pureed it.
In golf, Jamie, you might know, it's like when you fucking hit one and you're just like fucking up, but you're like, I can't hit the green from here.
You do see it go perfectly and bounce.
And it's just a pure moment Of artistic expression.
And generally, when I see that, it makes me cry.
When I listen to Nevermind, I tear up.
You know?
You ever hear that album where you're like, oh, this is...
They nailed it.
They nailed it.
Cigar de Familia in Barcelona.
This church that's being built still.
It's a 200-year plan to build the perfect church.
joe rogan
St. Peter's Basilica in Rome.
ari shaffir
Okay.
And you see it.
joe rogan
Stunning.
ari shaffir
And I went in there and I just started weeping.
joe rogan
You started crying.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's like, I don't know.
It's just like, it's overwhelmingly perfect.
joe rogan
It's art.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Other moments, I was at the, it didn't have to be big moments.
It could be small moments.
I was at the Haunted Ride at Disney.
Back in LA. And I was with some chick, and I was like, some guy was like, right this way, sir.
He's playing the role, whatever.
And then he left to go greet the next car as we were slowly moving forward.
And then I was like, oh, that guy was creepy, right?
And then he was back on me, just going, what did you say?
Just frightened me.
And I'm like, that guy nailed it.
In that moment, we were both fucking jumped.
He fucking nailed it.
He pured it.
And what you want in those moments...
You did it, right?
You made this thing, and that's the orb.
And what you want is to make it, for sure.
What you also want is some recognition.
You want someone to say, like, if you hit that golf shot, you look around, like if you're playing by yourself, and somebody in the next seat is like, dude, fucking nice one.
You're like, yes, thank you.
You saw it.
You saw it.
And so, there's been two things I've gotten that way.
Two things that I've had that I'm like, I pured it.
One was that storytelling show.
This is not happening.
I just think it was like...
I mean, I don't want to talk about myself, but it was cool.
joe rogan
You nailed it.
ari shaffir
It was a way for other comics to show themselves.
No, you did.
joe rogan
I can express it for you.
You did an amazing thing.
And those opening sequences where you'd have these animated fight scenes and shit, they were awesome.
unidentified
They were cool.
ari shaffir
They just made it cool and fun to watch.
And let people go, hey, we're not going to censor you.
We want you to do your thing.
Your fucking strip club in the woods story is like these moments that I'm also allowing other people to like.
So I figured out my orbs, what I do is, Make stuff myself and then also give a chance for other people to make theirs.
It's one of my things I like making.
You have the same thing.
We like having other people make their things.
It's one of your art forms is allowing other people to make their art.
Another one was this last hour I did.
The Jew Hour.
It was good.
It was really fucking...
It was good.
And so it had bothered me at the time.
I wasn't able to make it as special.
But I was able in that moment to go...
But I made it.
It was good.
You know, I made a really fucking, really mindful, kind of perfect thing.
And yeah, maybe, whatever happened, like, I wasn't able to make, like, millions of people saw it, but like, thousands of people saw it.
Maybe 150,000 people saw it live, you know?
But like, I made it.
And I cried hard for that, for this not happening.
Not so much for the loss, but for like, For like when I was able to I was able to step back and go like it's done now I made it and it hit me like oh damn dude that was fucking good and I just kind of said goodbye to it and that orb went up and and played for eternity every time you do something like artistically pure like that and nail it you pure it those things are up there
in the heavens in the whatever They're playing with each other.
All the forms, the guy at Disney, the guy who made the Basilica, fucking Kurt Cobain, never mind, not Kurt Cobain, never mind, is up there playing with each other, enjoying each other's company forever.
And I saw myself in 50 years dead and the orbs are still playing.
And I'm decaying and the orbs are still playing.
They'll be there forever.
And I was able to sort of like put that behind me and say I'll move on to my next thing because what I want to do is I want to make things.
Right?
I want to make another orb.
And that's kind of all I want to do now.
Is just make another thing.
And I won't always get there.
But even if you fail, even if you're like, ah, that set was still still.
You know it's getting you closer to a fucking perfect set.
And sometimes it's just a 15 minute set at the fucking whatever club.
You know?
Governors or some shit.
Where it's like, oh, I fucking nailed it.
Sometimes it's a 10 minute pop in.
That earthquake thing that I saw at the Ha Ha, that was one.
Because there was some kid, some young one-year comic watching that going like, oh my god.
He fucking pured it in that moment.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But you wanted someone to fucking notice it once in a while.
You just, you do.
Cried, let that shit go, and then kind of came back a little bit.
That was probably a two-hour period.
And I was like, oh, fuck, I'm back a little in this wave, you know, still tripping.
And I was like, oh.
Okay, the fire's there.
I remember the shaman, she was like, well, that's their ancestors.
So I was like, let me see if I can...
Talk to the dead.
So I was like, my grandma, I'll talk to her.
So I went and I stared at the fire, like a log, like a, you know, chopped up log seat, you know.
I sat in it and stared.
I couldn't get her, my grandma.
I tried and tried, but I couldn't get her.
And then I was like my softer from fucking, my dad's mom from Israel, from Pertifo, who ran the family.
She'll have wisdom.
And I was like, stare at that fire.
And I just, I couldn't get her.
Both my grandfathers, I wasn't even close to getting them.
And then I was like, huh, maybe there's a bust.
But, but then I go, let me try Mitzi.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And, I mean, I got her.
And I talked to her.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
So I didn't know what to ask her at first.
So I was like, I mean she was there.
I wasn't seeing her, I was just in my brain talking to her.
And she's like, what?
And I'm like, you know her, right?
And so I'm like, what do I ask her?
So I was like, First I thought, like, what's the meaning of life?
Or do you have any life advice?
And I was like, a fucking idiot.
So broad, you know?
And then I was like, maybe I'll ask, like, what do you think of me?
What I became?
But I was like, that's selfish.
It's dumb and selfish.
And so then I was like, So I was like, Mitzi, what you made, the comedy store, it was a place for me, Renizzisi, Duncan, and we were like lost souls.
Simone calls it the Island of Misfit Toys.
joe rogan
That's what she called it.
ari shaffir
That's what she called it?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Okay.
And I was like, this thing you made.
It hit me like that was her orb and she pured it.
I mean, people in Kansas know about that place.
It wasn't just a great place to go watch a show.
It wasn't just that it was a good place for comics to show up and find each other.
It was also she was making...
Her own orbs.
The store was her orb, and we were the result of it.
So my career was one of her orbs.
That's why she always said, when comics came in already developed, she goes, I'll use them, but what am I going to do with them?
I was like, wouldn't you work a really good comic?
She goes, I didn't make them.
And I realized what I wanted, and I realized then what she wanted.
And I was like, hey, Mitzi, I see what you made.
And I saw it.
I saw your shot.
And you nailed it.
Like, you nailed it.
And, yeah, she said she appreciated it, you know?
And then it hit me, like, all the time she was...
I had a showcase once.
I mean, I showcased a lot there.
And she was, no, no, no.
And there was once where, I mean, I crushed.
It was a crushing showcase, number 26 or something like that.
I went to go drive her home.
And I was like, Freddie was there.
I was like, already fucking crushed tonight, huh?
And she goes, you're almost ready.
It drove me crazy at the time.
But right then, I didn't understand until then what she meant by, you're not ready yet.
You're almost ready.
What she meant was, this business, in a lot of ways, sucks.
And the shit they're going to throw at you is debilitating.
To have like...
To be blackmailed into leaving your own show by people you know.
To have people turn against you publicly, you know?
And it's just like You wouldn't be able to deal with it, except for her toughening you up.
The drill sergeant metaphor.
You can't just go to war.
You need somebody beating you down first.
And she beat me down.
And when she's saying you're almost ready, she means if I send you out into the world now, you will bury yourself under this.
You will not survive this business.
You will not be able to go out and make new things.
You'll quit.
For sure you'll quit.
And I don't think she was wrong.
And it hit me, and my mouth was just a gape.
Like realizing what she had done to me and for me.
And I was just staring at the fire and just out loud just go, you fucking bitch.
unidentified
Like, are you?
ari shaffir
Oh, my God.
And I mean, I was just like, I mean, thank you for helping me survive this.
I'm 20 years in now, and I wouldn't have made it past any, like, you're not good enough for Montreal, you're not, it would have all crushed me too hard.
But she crushed me so hard that none of this, it doesn't seem like a lot to be like, you're not a paid regular, who cares, based on what we have now.
But it meant, the level of what it meant was as big as anything was.
And so then it hit me like one of my types of art is not just my things.
On This Is Not Happening, I had some good stories.
None of those were orbs for me.
I had good stories.
None of those were perfect expressions.
The show itself was.
And one of the ways was it got to elevate these other people and allowed them to make orbs.
Sean Patton doing his Cuman story on This Not Happening or Ali Sadiq with Messing Out on Boots, which is like my favorite one of all time.
Miss Pat, Kate Willett, Bert, Stigur, you with that strip club story.
It's like these were like really – somebody just told me the other day.
It was like I saw that Rogan strip club story.
It was crazy.
I'm like, yes.
So that feeling of like I helped with that.
I take a credit for that.
I don't mind taking, not all the credit, but like, I wanted to make this thing to allow people to come up.
So then I'm like, should I be difficult on people the way Mitzi was?
Should I be mean?
But then it's like, she was like, no.
She goes, oh, that's mine.
She was like, that's my way.
It's not your way.
Dude, this was wild.
It was a full conversation.
And so she's like, that's my way to get them going.
You have your own way to get them going.
The way Ozzy says the Beatles were one of his biggest influences, where I'm like, your music is nothing alike.
There are different ways of getting to the same thing.
Well, you like Earthquake, your comedy's not like his.
So then it's like...
Continue doing that.
Make orbs.
Anybody that got in your way before, it's okay.
Whatever.
Cut them out.
Getting revenge is not going to help you in any way.
Getting back to them is not going to help you in any way.
It's going to delay you from making a new great thing.
And it was...
It's just a freeing thing.
I felt like I got to work it out with her.
This woman who, more than a lot of people, I was so tied in with her.
She was like a mother slash grandmother.
joe rogan
We all were.
Yeah.
The most important figure in the history of comedy that's not a comedian.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Gave us the ability to be free.
Don't do it my way.
Do it your way.
If you suck, I'm going to tell you to your face.
But she did have moments of like, yellow suit.
joe rogan
She had some crazy shit.
ari shaffir
And when she's saying that, yeah.
All she's really saying is, I don't fucking know.
How about this?
Figure it out is my point.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
ari shaffir
And some of what she did by passing awful people while I was being driven.
Him?
He gets to do spots?
joe rogan
She passed people that had no talent.
ari shaffir
None.
joe rogan
None.
It was wild.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So you know what that did?
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
That made me work harder.
joe rogan
What was she thinking with them, though?
ari shaffir
I think what she was thinking is maybe there's a spark there that might come.
When I started opening for you, I wasn't that good.
You saw something in me.
I got laughs, but I wasn't like a developed.
It was easy.
joe rogan
No, you're selling yourself short.
ari shaffir
It was like you watching that.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
ari shaffir
There was something there.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe if I was watching that, if it wasn't me.
But you were a smart guy who had good points and you loved comedy.
ari shaffir
And I needed to develop a little more.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So you saw that spark and you're like, let me help this flourish.
Let me give it water and sun.
joe rogan
Yeah, my approach is very different than Mitzi's.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but you always, but it was also quite similar when he was like, figure it out.
I'm not going to tell you anything of what to do.
Don't be not dirty.
Do be dirty.
Don't be dirty.
I don't care.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
Crush.
I told you this a bunch of times.
I did 45 minutes at the Denver Comedy Works one time.
Didn't realize until Red Ben was like, hey, look at the tape, dude.
And I apologized.
It didn't matter.
I crushed after you.
I'm like, no, no, but that was way too much.
And he goes...
Listen to me.
It didn't matter.
You crushed.
I crushed.
There's no apology here.
That was great.
I didn't do it anymore.
But, like, the point was, like, figure it out, man.
I'm here to support you.
So that kind of shit.
joe rogan
Well, remember when I would get you so high you didn't know what you were saying?
ari shaffir
Goddamn.
That was not in my best interest.
unidentified
That was you being the devil.
ari shaffir
That was you being the devil.
unidentified
That was one of my favorite things to do was to take you into deep water.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You told me in Boston, you were like, I said something about how gross the Boston girls are.
Like, Jewish girls are ugly, but Boston girls are like, clear.
I forget what the joke was.
You're like, say that, say that.
And I said it, and they were all like, they were all so mad, and you were laughing.
You were my audience of one, and they were the audience of 400. But, hey, listen, I thought it was funny.
You thought it was funny, so we did it.
joe rogan
Well, I told you, no matter what, you can't get fired.
ari shaffir
I can't get fired.
So you freed me.
She freed us.
So when she passed, I'm not going to say any names, but you can picture seven people, ten people in your head.
It drove us way harder to work harder.
I said thank you.
I worked it out with her.
Led her back to the world that she's in.
joe rogan
What do you think that is?
Do you think you were really talking to her spirit?
Or do you think you were talking to the love that you had for her?
ari shaffir
I am aware of what it would sound like to say this but the next day when I was going over it and I was explaining it My partner and I were talking about our different Experiences vastly different I know what it sounds like but I talked to her man I talked to her, and she appreciated the fucking attaboy.
She appreciated somebody seeing that what she did was good.
And I told Peter, I ran into Peter recently, randomly at the Apple Store in fucking New York.
joe rogan
Peter Shore?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Randomly?
ari shaffir
Haven't seen him in 15 years.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
So I told the story to two other people, Simone and Renazizi.
That was it.
And then Peter, and now you.
I'm a partner.
But I told him that, and he goes, that's interesting, because she always kind of felt like when people referenced her, they didn't give her credit for the help.
They would say so-and-so, here or there, and let him be like, oh, Mitzi, remember her, whatever, how's she doing?
But she didn't feel like she ever got the, thank you for giving up your life to do this for us.
We know you didn't have a normal life, and you helped us be this thing.
And Yeah, man, I talked to her.
She was there and I talked to her.
For sure.
So, eventually was like, I'm ready to go.
Went to my hut.
Six in the morning, go take a cold shower.
And then don't eat pork or have sex for eight days.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
ari shaffir
I talked to her, man.
She appreciated it.
joe rogan
I'm sure you did.
unidentified
I mean, whether you did or you didn't, you still did.
joe rogan
You know, I made it a point to my 2018 special, Strange Times.
And I was like, I felt like at that point, like after Triggered, it was like the first time I felt like I'm a legit World-class comic.
unidentified
World-class.
joe rogan
I'm real now.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Everybody knows her as a comic.
joe rogan
And, you know, it was right after she had died.
And there was no way I wasn't going to thank her.
ari shaffir
So you put it on there?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was in loving memory of Pitsy Shore.
In that studio in LA, Taylor Bose made me a picture of her painting.
It was always in that studio.
It's still there.
I gotta go back and get it.
I'm going back next month just to get a bunch of shit out of there, and that's one of the things I'm getting out of here.
I'm gonna put it up in here somewhere.
unidentified
When you got there, you weren't...
ari shaffir
You were a headliner.
joe rogan
I wasn't a beginner.
ari shaffir
You weren't a beginner, but you definitely weren't here.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
She helped me tremendously.
Dude, I always knew I was going there.
That's what's crazy.
I swear to God, from the first time I ever got on stage, when I decided I was going to be a comic, it was like after the first time I ever got on stage.
Like, I thought about doing it.
I had to try it.
Let's see what it's like.
And after I did it the first time, I was like, this is what I do.
I'm a comedian now.
And I remember thinking, I gotta get to the Comedy Store.
It was like...
ari shaffir
It was Mecca.
joe rogan
It was Mecca.
It was a religious call.
I mean, if there was anything like that in my life, that was it.
When I came out to Hollywood, I didn't give a fuck about that TV show.
It was on that stupid baseball show.
I didn't give a fuck about that.
All I was thinking is, like, I gotta get to the Comedy Store.
And the comedy store was terrible.
It was terrible.
It was terrible.
There was a bunch of Bodax, and there was all these people that she passed that were like, I'm telling you, talentless.
And this is not a knock on them, and I would never name any names, but these people just weren't...
They would bomb, and they would bomb with impossible comedy.
ari shaffir
Was she not there every day anymore at that point?
joe rogan
She was there occasionally.
ari shaffir
She wasn't there every day.
She was losing her grip on everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, she had problems, but she could still tell you what you were doing wrong and doing right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She passed me as a non-paid regular after my first audition.
She let me go up at the end of the show.
And I was there every night.
I didn't have any friends.
I didn't know anybody.
ari shaffir
How much did that alter the course of your comedic career?
joe rogan
It's huge.
Everything.
Everything.
Who knows what kind of bullshit act I would have had if I didn't run into Mitzi, if I didn't get passed at the store.
But the moment I passed...
One of the reasons why she passed me is a trick that we all used to do.
I learned from the Todd.
The Todd who was on Pauly Shore's show on MTV. His name was The Todd.
And he would sit in the back of the room when someone was...
And he did it for me.
And he goes, you're going to do this for somebody else someday.
And he would sat next to Mitzi while Mitzi watched me.
And he would laugh hard.
And he'd laugh really hard.
I went up there and I did my set.
And he'd laugh really hard.
And then Mitzi just grabbed my arm.
She goes, you're really funny.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
She's like, call in for spots.
ari shaffir
And that's a woman who saw Pryor and Kinison.
joe rogan
She goes, call in for spots.
You're a paid regular.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
That was more important to me than any TV show.
The TV show was just a lot of money.
I was like, ooh, I got all this money.
You don't have to think about things.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but who cares about it?
joe rogan
But that was how I thought about it.
The TV show was like, ooh, I'm going to get all this money.
Like, ooh, I can buy an apartment.
I can fucking buy food.
I can get a nice car.
ari shaffir
That's right, but you weren't thinking about the show.
You were thinking about the money.
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
I mean, it was cool to be on a TV show.
I'm not going to lie about that, but it wasn't the thing.
I couldn't sleep that night.
ari shaffir
Really?
I was like, holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was like, I'm a paid regular.
Like, I'm a real comedian.
I'm a real comedian.
I'm a real comedian.
I'm at the store.
I'm a real comedian.
I'm at the comedy store.
Even though the comedy store is filled with It was just like every now and then Damon Wayans would show up or Martin Lawrence would show up or Dom Herrera or Dice.
They would come in and kill and you would see real comedy.
But then you'd see a lot of dog shit.
But it didn't matter.
I was getting up and it was better that way because it was like if I came there in like 2016 when I had come back for two years and it was packed every night.
ari shaffir
Yeah, we disagree on this.
You say it's an amazing time, that last time, you know?
joe rogan
It was amazing for me.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but my favorite was 2000 to 2010. When no one was there.
When no one was there.
He'd really develop and crush and be like, fuck, this will do nothing for me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Except make you a bit stronger every time.
joe rogan
It made you stronger, and there was a lot of hostility back then, though, especially the early 2000s.
There was so much bitterness.
There were so many comedians that didn't like other comedians.
There was a lot of people that were just so angry that other people were making it.
They were so angry that other people got television shows and it was still the remnants of the 90s where everybody was just trying to get on a sitcom and when somebody else got on a sitcom, the other comics, especially the mediocre ones, they took it like you took something from them.
ari shaffir
They weren't even up for it.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
It was like your success somehow or another diminished them.
It was really weird.
ari shaffir
We saw that from underneath it as a door guy.
We saw that like, what's going on up there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you also saw that those people were shitty to door guys.
Those people that had those attitudes, they were- A lot of them.
Yeah, they weren't kind.
They weren't like, they weren't a brotherhood or a sisterhood.
They were looking at everybody like, Yeah well like they weren't getting what they deserve they had this thought that they wouldn't they weren't getting the recognition that they deserved and that's why when established people would come there and Mitzi would go get rid of her Get rid of them.
Like, they would be so hurt.
ari shaffir
She was brutal.
joe rogan
Brutal.
You'd have someone who was on a sitcom who was doing really well, and they would go up there and do five solid minutes of stand-up.
Like, where I would say, hey, she's pretty good.
That's good comedy.
Get rid of her.
I've heard it all before.
Get rid of her.
ari shaffir
And you'd be like, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck off.
And then someone would go on after that person who she had passed who was dog shit.
And she didn't care.
She'd leave the room.
ari shaffir
And they'd be like, what is this?
joe rogan
What the fuck is this?
She didn't care.
She was just crazy.
But after things had gone really well for me, and after I was doing really well, I remember her and I had a conversation.
We're sitting in the back of the room, and again, she wasn't doing so well.
She was kind of shaking a lot.
And she put her hand on my arm, and she was talking to me.
And I was just thanking her for everything.
And, you know, I just told her that I would have never been the comic that I am without you.
And you just knew what to do.
You knew what to tell me.
You were always right.
Your criticisms were always valid.
And you always gave me hard spots.
You always gave me hard spots.
I was always going after Martin Lawrence.
ari shaffir
Can you just give me a better spot?
joe rogan
No, I didn't deserve those spots.
I deserved the spots I got.
It was perfect.
You know, I wanted a good spot.
I wanted to go on before them where I didn't have to deal with the pressure, but it made me better.
And then she looked at me and she goes, I always know where to put you.
She had like a big smile.
unidentified
She's like, I always know where to put you.
joe rogan
I thought it was fun.
Fun to watch me suffer.
unidentified
It was fun, but you knew that was what you needed.
joe rogan
You needed to go on after heavy artillery, big guns.
And in 1994, there was no bigger gun than Martin Lawrence, man.
ari shaffir
Jesus Christ.
Oh, that was his height.
joe rogan
That was like the Uso Crazy days.
ari shaffir
It was a leather outfit.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
unidentified
He would murder.
joe rogan
Like, people forgot.
ari shaffir
He's follow that.
joe rogan
Like, historically underappreciated.
Martin Lawrence was one of the most historically underappreciated guys ever.
Because, you know, he had a little bit of a time where he lost himself a little bit.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember he got arrested wearing a wetsuit with a gun and just, like, running down the street.
ari shaffir
Dehydration.
unidentified
Yeah, it was dehydrated.
ari shaffir
As the publicist said.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Um...
But before that, man, I'll tell you, those 90s, man.
ari shaffir
And you followed them all.
joe rogan
Every fucking time.
Anytime anybody was good.
ari shaffir
Did you figure out how to do it eventually?
joe rogan
Yeah, kinda.
I mean, I just had to get better.
I had to get better.
I had to get tighter.
I had to come out of the gate better.
I had to make fun of myself.
I had to figure out a way to make fun of the fact that everybody was leaving.
You know, I had to make fun of them.
Because I would go on stage and three quarters of the main room would just get up and leave.
ari shaffir
And yeah, in the first two minutes, you're like, yeah.
Talking on the way out.
Where's your car?
joe rogan
They saw Martin.
The show was done.
Martin was doing a long set, too.
It wasn't a short set.
He was killing.
ari shaffir
That had to prepare you for following Diaz later.
That's almost your comfort zone.
I tell people, you're definitely a product of Boston comedy.
Murderers.
Follow murderers.
Fuck, you're fucked, fucked.
This had to prepare you for...
It's almost like your safe space is to follow a killer.
joe rogan
It made me understand that that was important to do and that that's how you got better.
Because the whole thing was always getting better.
It's not just a show that night.
Like, do a good show that night.
If I did a good show that night, then I'd want someone who's mediocre so I could come in, back clean up, and make everybody look like I'm the hero.
Which we know a lot of comics do.
There's a lot of comics that bring really mediocre acts.
Not because they want to help them, because they don't want anybody to shine.
They want to be the only guy that stands out on the show.
But I took Diaz on the road he wants to Rascals.
And Diaz was loose as a goose and murdered.
I mean, he fucking murdered.
And I remember I had a really tough time following him.
And I remember this.
This is like 96, 97, something like that.
And I remember thinking to myself, this is good.
I need to take him with me everywhere.
That's what I remember thinking.
Like, this motherfucker is so good.
He's so fun.
When he gets loose, that was like when Diaz was just finding himself.
Because Diaz, for a while, there was like a year or two where Diaz was not...
ari shaffir
He was trying to be something?
joe rogan
He was trying to get recognized by agents.
He wanted to be in a movie.
He wanted to be in a sitcom.
He thought that's how it was going to happen.
And then somewhere along the line, he just sort of accepted the fact that he likes to do drugs.
He likes to get crazy.
He was living with a stripper.
It was madness.
He was a crazy person.
And he realized, like, fuck it.
This is who I am.
And he went on stage and talked to us, talked to the people on stage the way he would talk to us in the parking lot.
ari shaffir
He was the most like himself on stage.
Pauly was second most, to be honest.
It was weird, but no change.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know, he grew up there.
He figured out how to be himself there.
ari shaffir
But Diaz was that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he figured out how to do that, but it was so hard to follow that.
ari shaffir
Isn't it funny, though?
He was like, all right, fuck these movies and shit, I'll do it.
And now he's doing the Sopranos movie.
He went the other way and got to the same point.
joe rogan
Yeah, he went the other way.
It's like he became mainstream by going totally underground.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But also because the other people elevated his signal.
You know, like Joey became popular because of the love of his peers.
Like that's a big part of Joey.
Joey didn't become popular from a television show.
He didn't become popular from a movie.
He became popular from us.
ari shaffir
Everybody talking about him.
joe rogan
Yeah, all of us.
Tom, you, Bert, me, Duncan, everybody just talking about crazy moments that they had with Joey.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got real lucky, Ari Shafir.
ari shaffir
We did get very lucky.
joe rogan
We got very lucky.
ari shaffir
When I found that place, I don't know if it's fate or...
I didn't know about it when I found it.
I was looking for the Laugh Factory.
Legitimately, I passed by there.
I'm like, oh, I'll apply there too.
Duncan hired me.
Duncan trained me.
He didn't hire me.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Duncan and I became friends when he was the guy who would answer the phone to give you the dates.
I would call him up and I'd say, hey man, I'm in town Tuesday through Friday.
And they're like, hey dude, I was reading this thing, and we'd have these crazy conversations for like fucking hours.
ari shaffir
Phones ringing, not being answered.
unidentified
Hold on, man.
joe rogan
Someone's calling.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
And he would go on hold, and I'd just be, you know, I was a single guy.
Living at home with my feet up on my desk, talking and dunking on the phone.
And I had a headset back then with a cord.
You plug a cord into the bottom of the headset, and I had this like, I was a secretary.
ari shaffir
So that's one of the things you did, is make it so you could find each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, she made it so that we could find each other and my thing was always from martial arts You need a team you need training partners you need every you need people that are really good around you to inspire you and you need The people that are learning you need to help them because they're gonna get better and that'll make you better So my thought was that with everybody like door guys and parking lot attendants everybody was just us It was all the same.
ari shaffir
The store specifically has a lineage of door guys to Kinison.
He was a door guy.
Bobby Lee was a door guy.
Me, Ren and Zizi were door guys.
And then it's like, oh, so they're like, Duncan.
So it's like, oh, these are all the same.
So when you see a door guy, you're like, that's just me earlier.
It's not like, what are you, a waiter?
It's not that.
unidentified
It's not that.
joe rogan
Some comics didn't have that feeling with those people, and it drove me nuts, man.
I used to get really upset when I'd see comics being dismissive of door guys, or not giving them a pound, or not shaking hands, not saying, what's up?
What's up, guys?
What's up?
How you guys doing?
It's all love in that place.
ari shaffir
And it's like, yeah, you're just a lesser-developed comic.
joe rogan
Exactly.
We're all the same thing.
Well, you've been doing comedy a year, you've been doing comedy.
That would always drive me crazy, too.
Someone would say, that's not a comic.
You're a comic when you get paid.
You're a comic when you're on TV. You're a comic when you do this.
You're a comic when you do that.
No, no, no.
No, you're a comic.
ari shaffir
You're bleeding.
You're already bleeding.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
Of course you're a comic.
joe rogan
You're a comic.
If you are a white belt, you're a martial artist.
If you're trying to do comedy, you're a comic.
Doesn't mean you're great.
You're a comic, though.
And that's how I've always looked at it.
I've always looked at it like we're all on this fucking wacky ride together.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that lady was the captain of the ship.
She made the whole thing different.
She changed what a comedy club was.
There was no other comedy club like that.
Every other comedy club, you were working there, there was an opener, a middle, and a headliner.
You did your time, you didn't go over, you got your money, and you said thank you, and you got out of there.
And they didn't give you any advice.
If they did, it was terrible.
ari shaffir
She never got rid of drugs?
She embraced it as part of the world?
joe rogan
She did drugs.
ari shaffir
She did drugs.
I started a staff meeting once.
She was talking about how we all get paid in checks now.
She goes, you know, it used to be, in the old days, I would give them their $25, and the Coke dealers were there, and they'd fucking me.
I've spent so long, I'm losing the impression.
Immediately, I'd spend their own money on Coke.
She goes, now they just go home and watch TV. LAUGHTER Like mad that they're all doing below.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, she loved that it was wild.
ari shaffir
It was wild.
joe rogan
She was a wild woman.
She loved the fact that she created a wild place.
ari shaffir
And you see Kinison swinging on Letterman.
He's like, that's my time.
And Letterman bringing him up.
He's like, this guy is...
Just watch him.
I don't even, you guys just watch him.
And he finishes, I'm like, that's it, and then swings a thing.
And it's like...
joe rogan
It's a comedy store.
ari shaffir
What's Letterman compared to the fucking store?
He already had his fucking balls.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Anyway, I told her.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
ari shaffir
Can I promote one thing before I leave?
joe rogan
Promote the fuck out of it.
ari shaffir
Okay, everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, you wrote it down?
ari shaffir
Yes.
joe rogan
All professional.
ari shaffir
There are...
I'm not here to promote my podcast, Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank.
Please watch that.
joe rogan
How about say that in a way where people can understand a fucking word you just said?
ari shaffir
I have a podcast called Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Podcast.
unidentified
What is it again?
ari shaffir
Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank.
It is available on Google Play, Apple Podcasts, even the Spotification.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
And on YouTube now.
Not here to promote that.
There are three comedians in New York that are massively underappreciated.
Their names are Adrian Apollucci, Mike Vecchione, and Sean Patton.
For whatever reason, they have slipped through the cracks.
And they don't make the money they should, and they're not booked as much as they should.
But I am telling you, as someone who cares about stand-up comedy, that they are great.
Adrian opened for me in my whole last tour.
She's now on the road this weekend with fucking Louis C.K. She had the number one joke of 2019, a Parkland joke, the day after.
They cut it from Netflix, because whatever.
But...
If you want to see it, I put her album up on my YouTube page.
Baby Skeletons is her album.
She's great.
Sean Patton you might know from This Is Not Happening stories, the Cuman story, the fake gay passion.
Adrienne's awesome.
And Mike Vecchione, who's one of the best joke writers in New York.
He is someone who makes us all better joke writers by watching him.
He consistently crushes, doesn't have the networking skills to get ahead.
So, if I just tell you, I've thought this out, dude.
If I just tell you they're great, you might look him up.
Here's what I'm asking you to do, the listeners and the watchers of Joe Rogan Podcast.
I want you to call your comedy clubs, your local comedy clubs, and I want you to tell them, because they're not going to book them just based on a recommendation.
I want you to tell them, I will give you my email address, and you can use it only if Adrian Appalucci, Sean Patton, or Mike Vecchione are playing in your city.
I will give you my email address, which is what they want more than anything.
Everybody, call your local comedy club.
Tell them the city you live in.
Say, I live in this city.
I will give you my email address for this reason.
Comedy club owners, you can launch them.
Give them their bonuses, even if they get close.
Get loyal with these people because they should be stars and you can help make them stars.
You can also help them get to the point where for an Adrian's sake, she's not thinking of quitting comedy because she can't make her fucking rent.
You can help them Comedy Club fans, I have never lied to you about someone who has talent.
Call your local club, tell them where I live, and I will give you my address based on this alone.
That's what I'm doing here.
That's what I'm going to promote.
Go do it now.
You can make a clip.
I don't know how many clips you're allowed.
Please make one from this.
Go help these people.
They are great, great comics.
Adrian Appalucci, Sean Patton, Mike Vecchione.
unidentified
Okay.
ari shaffir
Sorry.
joe rogan
Sorry.
I think that was okay.
ari shaffir
Alright.
joe rogan
I agree.
Those people are all very funny.
Goodbye everybody.
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