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April 16, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1636 - Colion Noir
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colion noir
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jamie vernon
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What's up?
How are you?
colion noir
What's here, man?
joe rogan
Dude, you're a resident gun nut.
unidentified
Hey, I take it.
joe rogan
Like, anytime there's a gun issue, you're my go-to guy.
colion noir
I'm not gonna argue with that.
joe rogan
Nobody knows more.
I don't know anybody.
I mean, there might be a dude out there, but he's probably dangerous.
colion noir
I mean, I probably learned a lot from him anyway, so.
joe rogan
So what's happening, man?
How's everything?
colion noir
Ah, nothing much, man.
I'm glad to have you so close now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, we're state residents now.
Yeah, you are.
How far is the drive from Dallas?
colion noir
The way I do it or the way no people do it.
joe rogan
You shouldn't say that on the air, man.
colion noir
There's a lot of cops out here.
I do it fast legally.
joe rogan
How do you do that?
colion noir
I mean, that's another story.
joe rogan
What do you have, a fucking jet?
colion noir
I mean...
Jet on land.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not legal.
colion noir
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
There's a speed limit, sir.
colion noir
I'm a lawyer, man.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, okay.
Let's leave it at that.
You know, Montana didn't have a speed limit for a long time.
They had no speed limit.
They were like, we don't give a fuck up here.
colion noir
Dude, that sounds like my place to be.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Montana's pretty badass, but I think they had to get a speed limit to get some federal funding or something like that.
colion noir
Sounds about right.
joe rogan
Yeah, the federal government's like, look, enough of this shit.
People are going up there to test cars.
colion noir
I mean, look, Jeremy, they have the Autobahn.
unidentified
I know.
colion noir
Right?
Just let me...
Look, it's getting ridiculous.
In my car right now, I have a radar detector that's built in.
And then I have a radar detector I keep on my little dash.
joe rogan
You have a double radar?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is this the Ferrari?
colion noir
No, no, no, no.
This is the Turbo S. I have a 2014 Turbo S. That's a ridiculously fast car.
joe rogan
And then the 2022 makes that thing seem like a goddamn Prius.
colion noir
It's stupid.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
colion noir
And that thing is so god awful.
joe rogan
2.5 seconds!
unidentified
2.5 seconds 0 to 60. I have to wonder, where do you go from there?
joe rogan
We're going.
Wherever it is, we're going.
Tesla is where we're going.
colion noir
This is true.
I remember we had this conversation before.
joe rogan
My Tesla is preposterous, man.
My Tesla is faster than the 2022 Turbo S. Faster.
2.4 seconds, zero to 60. So it's a tenth of a second faster, zero to 60. And it feels like it, dude.
colion noir
I'm still fighting it.
joe rogan
I know.
colion noir
I'm still fighting it.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I have a regular car, too.
I have a couple regular cars.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That sound, the sound of a real combustion engine is the shit.
colion noir
I'm still full of shit, though, because the Turbo S sounds like a damn Dyson vacuum.
joe rogan
That's true.
It does.
It does, right?
colion noir
It's like, so I'm kind of, yeah, I'm kind of contradicting myself in a lot of ways in that manner.
joe rogan
They said they're never going to make the 911 electric, though.
colion noir
That's good to know.
I mean, they just released the 992 GT3, which is naturally aspirated, rear-wheel drive.
joe rogan
Look at that.
colion noir
I just put in an order for it.
joe rogan
Did you?
unidentified
Yeah, I did.
joe rogan
Look at that.
I love the rear steering.
colion noir
The funny thing is, when they released it initially, I hated it.
joe rogan
The rear steering?
colion noir
No, the car.
joe rogan
Really?
How could you hate that?
colion noir
Because the 991 GT3, I loved...
How proportionate the wing was to the rest of the body.
It just seemed like it was part of it.
And when they went with the swan neck spoiler, I hated it because it seemed disjointed.
joe rogan
You got any other pictures of this, Jeremy, with that spoiler?
The thing's dope.
colion noir
Now I think it's beautiful.
joe rogan
It's a really amazing company if you think of Porsche.
They've taken this one car from the 1960s and they've just consistently updated it.
There's no other car company like it.
colion noir
Not at all.
joe rogan
Even Corvettes now are mid-engine, right?
Corvette looks like a Ferrari now.
colion noir
From what I understand, initially the design of Corvette was to be mid-engine.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah, from what I've learned.
joe rogan
Okay, that looks pretty dope.
colion noir
I think the 992, the rear end of the 992 is probably the best rear end on a vehicle out right now.
joe rogan
It's pretty sick.
colion noir
Especially with that uninterrupted light bar in the back.
It's just...
joe rogan
Pretty smart of them, too, to make them all wide-body, too.
It's like, nobody wants that narrow bitch.
Skinny bitch.
I'm not a fan of that front hood, though.
colion noir
Why?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It just looks...
colion noir
Somebody said it looks like a Mario's brother character.
joe rogan
It just doesn't look as good as, like, if you go with the 991 GT2 RS hood.
colion noir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
You know, like, that kind of hood is just...
I don't know.
It just seems better.
That seems...
It seems odd, those weird creases, but maybe I'll get used to it.
colion noir
The interior is spectacular.
They killed it on the interior.
Usually portion interiors are really Spartan in a kind of uninspiring way.
Now, it's a beautiful balance of practicality.
I can't say that word for someone.
joe rogan
What the hell is wrong with me?
colion noir
Practicality.
joe rogan
That's a weird one.
colion noir
But then also still feeling very luxurious without being ostentatious.
joe rogan
And it's a manual.
You can get a fucking manual.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
Look at that wheel, too.
colion noir
About that.
joe rogan
About that.
You're not into that?
colion noir
I am and I'm not.
I think sometimes people make much to do about nothing with respect to manuals.
I think it's kind of the cool thing to do is to be like, yeah, I got a manual.
joe rogan
Yeah, like a man.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's me.
colion noir
I feel you.
joe rogan
That's me, bro.
colion noir
But sometimes I wonder, because it's like, it could be synonymous to arguing about having a Nikkei flip phone.
joe rogan
No, no, no, it's not.
No, this is why.
Because it feels good to use.
A flip phone is goofy.
But I'll tell you what, I haven't used...
unidentified
Well, closing it feels good.
joe rogan
You're fired, Jetson!
Snap that thing shut.
colion noir
I think what it is for me, because I'm being a little facetious because I do love manuals.
The problem is, so I had a 2000...
15 Aston Martin Vantage.
That was a manual, six-speed manual, which I probably should have held onto now.
joe rogan
If you did, it'd probably be breaking down every five minutes.
colion noir
This is true.
This is true.
But it would have held its value a lot more than Aston Martin's typically do.
But I remember I used to love it because I would just run it through the gate and it had a really heavy clutch and a really high bite point.
So generally speaking, it's terrible.
But I got so used to it that I love it now.
And except for one, there was one day I was driving, I was coming back.
I think I was on 35. Everybody from Dallas knows 35 is trash.
And I'm on 35 during rush hour.
It took me two and a half hours to get home.
joe rogan
Oh.
colion noir
After that, I literally got home.
I put it up.
I was like, I'm selling this car.
I want nothing to do with it.
That's how bad that experience was.
joe rogan
That I can understand.
Yeah.
If you don't have another car and you live in a place with traffic, I get it.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not what you want.
unidentified
It's bad.
joe rogan
You want an automatic for that.
Yeah, it's the difference between just chilling and being super annoyed for two hours.
colion noir
For two hours straight.
joe rogan
And if you have a stiff clutch, then your left leg gets a little tired, then you feel like a real bitch.
You're like, I can't believe I'm getting sore.
I'm getting some lactic acid build up in my left leg by pushing on my clutch.
colion noir
Now, if I lived in Austin, I think I would have still had a manual.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The traffic here is a joke.
colion noir
Yeah.
But, I mean, at least I have somewhere to go to.
Like, you know, I can run off into the hills, hill country, and drive around those roads there.
Where in Dallas, I mean, I can't.
There's nowhere for me to really just drive for the sake of driving.
joe rogan
I got to tell you, though, there's a lot of cops out here.
colion noir
Oh, yeah, there are.
unidentified
There are.
joe rogan
A lot of cops waiting around the bus people.
colion noir
But the beautiful thing about having, for instance, like the really curvy roads, you know, the winds and twisty roads...
You have a great time going 40, 50 miles an hour.
joe rogan
Yes, that's true.
colion noir
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, you do.
colion noir
You feel it.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And in a car like that, that's what it's all about.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
I love driving manuals.
It's not just a meathead thing.
I have a 2005 E46 M3, and that's not even that fast.
colion noir
It's not.
But I love it.
That's classic.
joe rogan
I mean, that is when BMW was B and fucking W. Yeah, it's hard to describe to people that aren't car nuts, but there's an intangible feeling of connectedness to that car when I drive it.
I don't have to be going fast, but I do go fast sometimes.
But it's not even that, though.
It's the way the car gives you feedback.
And it gives you feedback in my GT3 RS. I have a 2007 GT3 RS. That car is basically like, you shouldn't be able to drive it on the street.
It's a preposterous car.
518 horsepower.
It's a Shark Works car.
It sounds like a dragon.
And it's so fast.
But it's much more rowdy.
It's got a real stiff clutch.
And that car, it's a thing.
You're doing a thing.
It's not really transportation.
The BMW is transportation, but it's like engaging transportation.
colion noir
I mean, it literally was the reason why, when I was looking at my 14 Turbo S now, I was going back and forth between the 14 or 15, or the 15, because 14 is when the engines were blowing up, but the 15 GT3 versus the Turbo S. And I was going back and forth, and I'm like, man, I love how...
The sensorial effects of the GT3 are just phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And then I got into the Turbo S and I realized for my lifestyle, living here in Dallas in the city, it makes more sense to get the Turbo S. Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's like a time machine.
The way it gets from point A to point B, it's...
colion noir
I may or may not have, with my business partner, launch controlled the son of a bitch.
joe rogan
May or may not have.
colion noir
I may or may not.
joe rogan
You probably did.
colion noir
No, I didn't.
joe rogan
I don't think you did.
colion noir
But he did mention something about feeling like he was on a roller coaster.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, that's what they do feel like when they push you back.
And what's crazy is it's a full second faster for the 2022. A full second zero to 60, which is so nuts.
Like, to anybody get in that car and say, this is not enough.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
Well, that's what Elon's done with the new Teslas.
My car goes 0-60 in 2.4 seconds.
I have a 2019 or something, 2020 P100D, right?
Model S, P100D, is that what they say it?
And the new one, the Plaid version, goes 0-60 in 1.9 seconds.
colion noir
That's the 2022. I mean, the only next step to go to is flight.
joe rogan
Well, I think he's going to get it to 1.5 in the Roadster.
colion noir
And then we'll do flying cars.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it'll probably get to one second, zero to 60 soon.
We will see that in our life.
colion noir
We'll see one second, zero to 60. Now, what is that going to do to the body?
The human body?
We're going to get to a point where the Gs start affecting the human body.
joe rogan
Right, people start throwing up.
Have you ever been in a jet, like a fighter jet?
colion noir
No, I refuse.
unidentified
You refuse?
joe rogan
But you like speed.
colion noir
I do.
That's a weird thing.
I am a walking contradiction.
joe rogan
At least you know it.
colion noir
Man, I will go...
I'm not saying I've done this, but theoretically speaking, I will go 135 down a freeway, right?
Balls to the wall.
Put me in a helicopter to hunt hogs.
Not happening to me.
joe rogan
You're not interested in that?
colion noir
Nope.
joe rogan
Because helicopters crash.
colion noir
I just know too much about helicopter crashes.
joe rogan
They do crash.
They do crash.
But if you're in a helicopter with someone who's a really good pilot, who knows they're doing it, it's well maintained, the odds are very low that you're going to crash.
colion noir
There's nothing rational about my fear.
It's dumb, unmitigated fear.
It just makes no sense.
joe rogan
There is a thing, though, that if you crash and die while hunting hogs, people will celebrate your death.
That is a fact.
There's a certain number of people out there.
If you crash going to bring water to Botswana, people are like, oh my god, he was an amazing person.
If you crash eradicating feral hogs in Texas, they're like, you piece of shit.
For sure, right?
This is true.
Even though they have to do it, and that's one of the most effective ways to do it.
colion noir
I mean, I'm celebrated and hated right now at the moment.
joe rogan
Well, tell me about this, because you did your first hunt.
You hunted a bison.
Ethical kill, beautiful big animal.
You'll have fantastic meat for a year.
You'll be able to give it to your friends and family.
What's the problem?
colion noir
I don't know.
Like, I've been a two-way advocate for what, 15, close 15, 16 years?
joe rogan
For you nerds out there, that's Second Amendment.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right to bear arms.
colion noir
Gun.
joe rogan
PPU. Jamie's got a gun.
colion noir
You got a gun, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I'm missing parts of it.
colion noir
Wait, how long have you been in Texas?
joe rogan
He got a gun with the first month.
Tim Kennedy gave him the first week.
Was that our first week?
colion noir
You should be about five or six right now.
We've got to bump those rookie numbers up.
joe rogan
I got three this week.
jamie vernon
Did you get one a week?
joe rogan
I did get three this week.
jamie vernon
I've got more shoes since I've been here.
joe rogan
Jamie's a sneakerhead.
colion noir
I'm a transient sneakerhead.
I'm a nostalgic sneakerhead.
joe rogan
Oh, you like the old school ones?
colion noir
Well, just the shoes that I couldn't buy when I was younger.
Now that I have a little bit of money, I'm like, okay, yeah, let me get these.
I just bought the Reebok Questions, the Allen Iversons.
joe rogan
Oh, those are good.
I'm generally not a Reebok fan, but those are pretty dope looking.
colion noir
I remember those.
I mean, I was obsessed with Iversons.
But yeah, man, I go on this hunt.
I've hunted hogs, but just a real hunt.
joe rogan
Real hunt.
colion noir
Real hunt.
Even though hunting hogs is a real hunt.
That's a real hunt.
I won't give people the misconception that it's not real.
joe rogan
There's a lot of them.
colion noir
Exactly.
In Texas, it's kind of like what you do because there are just so many of them and they're causing so much damage.
And so my ammo sponsor, Nosler, they were like, hey, look.
You want to come on a bison hunt?
We have an opportunity.
We have a spot for you to go on a bison hunt.
By the way, they have a rifle coming for you.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's number three for the week.
At the range right now.
It's hilarious.
colion noir
So it would literally be the same rifle that I used to hunt my buffalo with.
So we go there, and so I'm like, yeah, cool, let's do it, right?
I'm like, fine, let's go hunt a buffalo.
And I've always looked at buffaloes as being very majestic.
They're just majestic animals.
Like, I... They're beautiful.
Yeah, they're amazing.
And I also love bison burgers.
So for me, it just made sense.
I'm like, okay, so let me get this straight.
You have a guy who 90% of the time Uber eats his food.
joe rogan
That's what you do?
90% of the time?
colion noir
Yeah.
unidentified
90?
colion noir
It's bad, bro.
It's pretty bad.
joe rogan
Do you trust those dudes?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
They're going to pick your fries?
colion noir
I don't trust them at all.
joe rogan
I do it anyway?
colion noir
Yeah.
It's purely out of convenience.
It's a time thing for me.
unidentified
I get it.
colion noir
Because it's like my whole day is so filled.
It's literally the moment I wake up, I've got to make every aspect of my life as efficient as possible.
I get it.
But, you know, I've always said, you know, my dad was an executive chef.
And so for me, I've always said, you know what, I'm going to sit down and just really learn how to cook.
Right?
And so I was like, what better way to start than cooking my own bison meat?
Perfect.
Right?
So I had all the perfect justifications and reasons to go on a bison hunt.
So I go on a bison hunt.
And I remember we're driving.
So, like, the place is expansive.
Like, it's huge.
It was in Pueblo, Colorado.
And so it was freaking beautiful, man.
And so we're going and we're looking for the bison.
And we finally find there's like four of them, four older males that apparently they're no longer breeding or mating or anything like that.
They're just really honestly causing havoc.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
They're killing other buffalo and, you know, shit like that.
I learned really quickly that buffaloes are assholes.
joe rogan
Assholes.
unidentified
Assholes.
joe rogan
We'll get into that in a bit because it's a good part of your story.
colion noir
So we're sitting there and so we find buffalo.
So we got to figure out how to approach them, right?
Because we don't want to spook them, right?
And they're very skittish.
Very skittish.
And so what we did was we decided, because it was very hilly, and so we decided, all right, so we're going to walk around the hill, come up over the crest of the hill, and then take the shot from there.
So we walked, trekked around the hill, went up the hill, got situated.
joe rogan
You have a guide?
colion noir
Yeah, we have a guide.
And set the gun down.
And the guys, when we were on the way to the place where we were going to go hunt, he was like, look, you're going to get what they call buck fever.
You know what that is?
He's like, you're going to get buck fever.
You're going to get anxious.
Your part's going to start pounding, especially when you see the animal through your optics.
You're talking to somebody who's, for the better half of 10 years, been shooting at steel targets and paper.
So I was like, okay, good to know.
So we sat down, get the rifle up there.
I didn't get buck fever.
It was weird.
I got extremely calm.
Extremely calm.
It was extremely quiet.
And I remember looking through the optic and seeing the buffalo.
Because at this point it was broadside initially.
And then it turned.
And so literally he and I were looking at each other through the optic.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
colion noir
Yeah.
And so it was an interesting experience.
It was different.
Because in a weird way, I developed an insatiable amount of respect for the Buffalo during this whole process.
I don't even know really quite how to explain it.
You're more of 100 than I am, so maybe you can tell me.
But I remember taking the shot.
He did not go down instantly.
So I had to take another shot.
Here's where it got interesting.
Soon as you could see he starts bleeding a little bit, so you know he's getting ready to go down.
The three buffalo that he was with, these were supposed to be his friends.
At least that's what I thought.
Soon as they catch one of the fact that he's hurt, the three of them start chasing him.
And they start coming up to attack him.
I mean, they have their horns and they're trying to gore him.
And I'm like, what the hell's going on?
And guys are like, that's what they do.
The moment they sense weakness in a bigger buck, they attack him.
Almost as if to say...
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta call them bulls.
colion noir
Bulls, yeah, I get confused, yeah.
My bad, guys.
unidentified
Bulls, yeah.
colion noir
So they attack him, apparently.
Almost as if to say, finally, it's my turn now, right?
To be the big dog.
And so they start attacking.
So my bull takes off running.
And I'm like, uh, shit.
We gotta go after this thing now, right?
So now he takes off running, and I can't get another shot off because he's taking off running around another hill.
So now we have to dismount, get up, and start following him.
And so then we get closer.
If he comes back around the other side of the hill, they're still chasing him, and they're goring him the whole time.
And so finally, he drops, but he's still kind of on his hind legs a little bit.
So I was like, I've got to put this guy out of his misery, right?
And I think he's running off pure adrenaline at this point.
And so I get down, take the shot, he drops, he's done.
Now at this point, the smaller of the three bulls that remains, he's still with my buffalo, right?
Kind of like, get up.
I dare you.
I dare you.
And he's just kind of like, I'm like, what the hell?
And then the two bigger bulls are now going at it.
I mean, insanely.
They're just boom, boom, boom, boom.
So I'm like, what the hell?
So we can't do anything.
joe rogan
You have to wait.
colion noir
Yeah.
So I'm like, so we're like about...
70 yards away, just kind of on the top of the hill, just over the crust of the hill, just kind of waiting, because we don't want them to see us, because then their attention is going to turn to something else.
So now, at this point, they're going at it.
I mean, it's nuts.
I got it on video.
Oh, wow.
And they're just...
I'm like, they're going to kill each other.
joe rogan
Can you show us the video?
colion noir
I don't have it on me now, but yeah.
Yeah, my videographer.
Yeah, he has it.
So at this point, I'll send it to you if you want it.
unidentified
Okay.
colion noir
And at this point, they stop.
And then they do this.
I'm like, oh shit!
joe rogan
He turned and looked at you?
Oh no.
And you only have a tag for one buffalo, so it's not like you can shoot them if they run at you.
colion noir
And not only that, I only have one round in my rifle.
joe rogan
Oh no!
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not good.
colion noir
Yeah, but me being the gun guy that I am, I had a 10mm handgun with me.
joe rogan
Did you have a 10mm handgun in case?
unidentified
Yes.
colion noir
I'm not playing with you fools.
joe rogan
So just in case something goes wrong in the buffalo, do you think you could stop a buffalo with a 10mm handgun?
colion noir
You don't do an honest truth?
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
colion noir
But it's better than not having one.
And at bare minimum, I would at least hope that it would make it seem like the buffalo is like, I could keep running through this.
But this is harder than it needs to be.
So I'm just going to go the other direction.
joe rogan
I wonder what a 10mm...
Like, when guys hunt bear, or when they hunt in bear country, and they bring a gun, there's a lot of debate about what round to bring.
Like, a lot of guys bring a.45.
colion noir
See, I was going to bring a Ruger...
I have a Ruger Red Hawk Alaska and.454 Casull.
I was going to bring that.
The only problem is, my host...
I ordered a chest holster for it.
It didn't come in fast enough, damn, shipping.
So it was already gone before it came in.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And so I would have carried that because that, I think, would have done a better job.
joe rogan
So you wanted to have it on you, not in a pack.
colion noir
Yeah, no, I wanted it on.
joe rogan
Even though you have the rifle, you want it just in case.
colion noir
So there's a...
I'm a...
I'm a tactical shooter, so to speak, for people who kind of send different types of shooters.
I'm not a hunter.
I hunt, but I wouldn't consider myself a hunter.
I'm more like a tactical shooter.
I have ARs, semi-automatic handguns, things of that nature.
So you can take the tactical shooter off of the range.
You can't take the tactical shooter out of the tactical shooter.
Right, right.
joe rogan
You think tactically.
colion noir
Exactly.
So I'm like, alright, I have my handgun.
And then I also, as soon as we, because the other guys were going to get their bull too, I switched out.
Instead of having the bolt action, I went and got an AR. And that's what I was carrying the rest of the hunt.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, how many guys were you with that were hunting?
colion noir
Three.
joe rogan
So, and they all went and got buffaloes as well?
colion noir
Yeah, well, it was me and on the day that I did it, two of us got buffalo.
I mean, his hunt was insane.
His hunt was freaking insane.
Because we spotted them, and so we tried the same thing.
We tried to ride around the hill to get up top to...
To shoot from there, from that position.
However, between us doing that, coming around the hill, they had actually come to the bottom of the hill.
So when we peeked over the crest, they caught wind of us and took off.
So now what would have been maybe a 100 or 200-yard shot has now turned into a 500-yard shot.
So the guy, Garrett, literally was already getting set up.
They took off running.
He didn't even hesitate.
He took off in a full sprint with his bolt-action rifle, takes off, gets in another position.
The guide has these binoculars that range find.
So he's yelling it out as the buffalo are running.
He's like, 300, 400. That's another thing.
I didn't know these things could move this fast.
joe rogan
They move quickly.
colion noir
They move quickly.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, people who have, like, see, look, all the people, all these city rats who are like me, because I'm a city rat, right?
I grew up in the city.
I don't know shit about animals like that, except for what I watch on Netflix when I get drunk.
So, these things move.
joe rogan
They move.
colion noir
And then they cover so much ground because they're so big.
So, it's not like their legs are moving that fast.
They just cover a lot of ground quickly.
And so, the guy's like, 300, 400, 500. And he's...
Boom.
Drops him.
Wow.
It gets up!
I was like, what in the world?
It gets up and starts running again.
So now he has to...
Now he's like, 560. Boom.
Drops him.
It gets up again.
So I'm like, gosh.
And we're not using bullshit rounds here.
So...
At this point, so now we dismount, we start walking up and getting closer.
So I have my little AR with me, and he was with, remember, this is the other two that were fighting before.
Because it took us almost three or four hours to find him again.
So this time, so after he tagged him, dropped him, now he's up again, his friend is now running back around towards us as we're walking towards him.
And so I'm like, oh, but they can't see it from their vantage point because I'm further back.
And so I'm just like, hey, his friend is coming!
Oh no.
joe rogan
Coming to attack?
colion noir
I don't know.
I'm a fish out of water here.
I just see a buffalo running and I just assume the worst.
And so now I'm like, hey!
So I start running up and I'm like, so I rack around into my AR. I don't know what the hell this thing's going to do.
I'm just preparing for the worst.
But long story short, he just kept running.
He didn't come to attack.
He just kept running.
He was kind of disoriented.
He's like, you know, where the danger is.
He's like, damn, they killed two of my homeboys already.
So he's gone.
And I remember the Buffalo now is on the ground.
And he's trying to stand up.
Jesus Christ.
And his hits were good.
But man, they are a tough son of bitches, man.
And he drops them.
joe rogan
That's an enormous apple.
colion noir
Oh my God, they're huge.
joe rogan
They're so big.
colion noir
They're huge.
And all I remember is he hits them again and he drops.
And then the buffalo does this.
So it's like he's facing this way, right?
Drops and the buffalo goes.
And just snarls at him.
Oh Jesus.
Yeah, and I'm like...
It's kind of a G. Oh, for sure.
I had so much respect for this thing, man.
And, you know, inevitably he ended up dying.
But that was my first buffalo hunt, right?
joe rogan
First hunt period, right?
First hunt.
colion noir
Pretty much, yeah.
And then after that, you know, we took the buffalo, got skinned, processed the meat, all that stuff.
I'm still waiting for the meat to get here.
Yeah, so then I put a video together about all of this that I just told you and put it up on my social media page.
That got interesting.
There are a lot of people who don't like hunting.
joe rogan
Now, do you think these people also ate meat?
colion noir
I'm pretty sure of it.
joe rogan
Some of them.
colion noir
I think there were some, because I even put up a question.
I said, honestly speaking, honest question, do vegans and anti-hunters get mad at lions?
And my whole thing was, I eat meat.
I respect people who don't, but I don't see what the problem with me killing my own food is.
I'm at a loss here.
joe rogan
Was there a common argument against what you were doing?
colion noir
Yeah, a lot of people were saying, some people were not saying that a lot, because the positive was actually overwhelmingly positive, but there was just a noticeable uptick in the negative comments.
joe rogan
Isn't that just social media in general, though?
unidentified
Pretty much.
colion noir
Yeah, but I mean, you told me not to read the comments.
You did.
unidentified
I did?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you have a fucking giant dead animal, and you're standing there with a rifle.
I'm like, bro.
colion noir
I never posted that.
Here's the crazy thing.
In the video.
joe rogan
Oh, that picture you sent me you never posted?
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
colion noir
No, in the video, you don't even see the actual buffalo get shot.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
colion noir
No!
You see me shoot the gun, but you don't see the buffalo get shot.
You don't even see the dead buffalo in the video.
joe rogan
That's going to make hunters mad.
I figured this much.
They want to see the hit.
colion noir
I might have to put it on Patreon or something.
joe rogan
Just put it on YouTube, man.
Just put it on YouTube.
Hunters will welcome you to the fold.
First of all, they'll love you because they're already a Second Amendment advocate, a lawyer.
colion noir
That's what happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
colion noir
That's definitely what happened.
And I welcomed it.
I really did.
joe rogan
Those are the people you want on your side, anyway.
They're logical about their food consumption and where it comes from.
If you're a meat eater that doesn't support hunting, I just don't know what to tell you.
colion noir
I don't either.
joe rogan
If you don't want to be responsible for your own food, that argument is not going to hold up.
You could say it if no one's going back and forth with you on social media, and that's what a lot of it is.
But it's just a lot of people that don't want to accept the reality of where food comes from.
They don't like it.
It's uncomfortable for them.
colion noir
And the thing about it is it's like, okay, I get it.
If you don't want to face the reality of it, but to judge me for doing the thing that you don't want to see, even though you benefit from it, from the standpoint of having to kill an animal in order to eat it, I think it's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Dude, whatever you do, there's going to be haters.
And as your profiles continue to rise, as you become more and more popular online, your hater count goes up too.
colion noir
Which is true.
And I don't account for that, I think.
I don't.
You have to.
And like I said, I did notice a difference.
When you told me to stop reading the comments, and I did.
I did notice a difference.
You feel better, right?
I'm like an addict though, right?
So it's like, I'll find myself just instinctively...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not healthy.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's not healthy.
colion noir
It's not.
joe rogan
Because you'll find one comment that's just ignorant and asshole-ish and it'll fuck with your head and then, you know, you'll be hanging out with your girlfriend or you're having a good time with your friend.
You'll be eating dinner and then just think about that one shitty comment.
I'm like, fuck that guy.
colion noir
The most dangerous is when I'm...
Because I go to bars by myself a lot.
And so I'll be at a bar eating, drinking and there'll be that one comment and I'm like, oh shit, it's coming.
Because at that point, my filter's off.
So I've already got like two drinks in me, and then it's just like...
joe rogan
And then you go back and forth with them?
colion noir
Oh, that's bad, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not wise.
colion noir
No, it's not.
joe rogan
You want harmony and peace in your life whenever possible.
And if you just seek out...
The thing about social media is these people are not in your life.
You can bring them in your life if you choose to.
When you put something online...
Those folks that comment, they're not really in your life.
They want to get in there by saying, fuck you, you piece of shit.
Shot that buffalo.
It's a majestic creature.
They're almost extinct.
We almost lost them all.
Which kind of is true.
It is true.
At one point in time.
colion noir
The whole point of what we're doing out there was to preserve.
I know it seems counterintuitive, but I mean, isn't that how conservation works?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, people need to understand where the money goes.
The money goes to habitat enhancement.
There's a thing called the Pittman-Robertson Act, or the Robert...
What is it?
Pittman-Robinson, I think it is.
And it's hunters agreed to it, and I believe it's 10%.
So 10% of sales of, whether it's ammunition, hunting licenses, gear, all that shit, goes to conservation.
So there's more money raised by hunters for conservation, preservation of wetlands for wild birds, and to pay for people to monitor populations and make sure that The correct amount of tags are allocated so that there's not an over-harvesting.
And then also that animals don't get out of control because if they get out of control, then diseases can spread and a lot of other shit and research about diseases.
All that stuff comes from hunting.
And it's not coming from wildlife advocates.
It's not coming from PETA or any of these people.
Way more money for conservation comes from hunting.
colion noir
I watched a video about why is it so hard to start a business in California.
And one of the problems that I think a lot of builders are running into, like real estate development, is you start running into these animal activist groups who will literally try to shut down your project with lawsuits.
On the grounds of, you know, this is a natural habitat for such and such and such.
But it really honestly is a revenue generating scheme.
It's kind of like their way of kind of poaching money from a project through legal means.
joe rogan
Yeah, getting you to donate.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Air quotes.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It does happen in some situations, especially with large swaths of land.
It's almost inevitable.
colion noir
I thought that was very interesting.
joe rogan
California's so fucked in so many ways with that.
colion noir
Which hurts my heart because the potential there is just amazing.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is, I hate to say it, but there's just too many people.
When you get too many people, two things happen.
One, everybody is liberal.
I don't know why that's the case.
colion noir
That is true.
joe rogan
It's the truth.
colion noir
That is very true.
joe rogan
New York, California, I think everybody's living together, and so they think they're being compassionate, and I get it.
Their heart's in the right place.
They think they're doing the right thing.
And it's also, whenever you have large populations, you have a large amount of universities.
You have people that are teaching at these universities that are almost predominantly liberal, and they're teaching all these people, and a lot of times they're teaching, and it's not from a place of experience in the real world.
Their experiences in academia, they went to school, they got out of school, they taught school, and that's their life.
And then they're teaching kids, and then they keep teaching kids Marxism, socialism, communist ideals, these ideas about this utopian version of society that can be created, but they don't even live in society.
They really don't.
colion noir
They literally live in a microcosm of academia, literally.
joe rogan
But that microcosm is currently infecting all these businesses because these people leave, and then they have these ideals that they want to inject into these businesses when they leave.
And in their early 20s, they're idealistic.
They want to change the world for the better.
They want to stomp out all the bad things in the world.
They want to reshape it in a more equitable way.
Boy, there's a lot of regulation that comes into that.
And then you've got a lot of businesses that can't handle all this regulation and they move out of state.
And then there's a lot of weird shit going on, man.
California is just...
And when it comes to wildlife, it's really crazy.
They've outlawed a lot of different kinds of hunting.
They almost outlawed bear hunting in California.
They came really close.
And then they got so much blowback from hunters because so many people are like, first of all, You have a lot of black bear in California.
A lot.
And they eat a lot of deer.
And this is one of the things where wildlife biologists are really important because they will monitor populations and they can estimate what amount of fawns are victims of predation because of mountain lions versus bears.
And bears and mountain lions, they kill a fucking staggering amount of deer.
Staggering amount of animals.
colion noir
What comes to mind is that one video of the guy who was hiking, and then he got attacked by the cougar.
joe rogan
Oh, the one that was running at him?
Yeah, that was running at him.
Well, that guy fucked up.
That is a scary video, man.
colion noir
That's why I carry a 10mm.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
For that, that's a good move.
colion noir
Because we have them in Texas.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
colion noir
So if I'm going hog hunting, I am worried about a mountain lion.
Oh, yeah.
And usually if they are hunting you, It's kind of too late.
joe rogan
See if you can find that video, because that video freaks me out.
colion noir
It really does.
joe rogan
I didn't know they moved like that.
colion noir
I didn't either.
I didn't either.
joe rogan
I think it was a female, and I think she had cubs, and I think she was trying to scare him off.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
I don't think she was trying to kill him, but when she's running with her arms out.
colion noir
Yeah, that's seared in my brain.
joe rogan
Like a demon.
colion noir
I mean, look, I give him this.
He handled it like a G. Yeah.
joe rogan
He was probably paralyzed with fear.
colion noir
Yeah, but it would have been a lot.
It probably would have ended a lot quicker.
With you.
I'm just saying.
I don't want to shoot if I don't have to.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you want to come home to your family.
I'm going home.
I'm going home too.
I hear you.
Yeah, I don't want to shoot.
I love mountain lions.
I think they're cool as fuck.
I love wolves too.
colion noir
My high school mascot was a cougar.
Right?
That was a pretty far reach.
But anyway.
That's a reach.
That's a reach.
joe rogan
Did you have a guy that...
Here it is.
Can you give me some volume?
I want to hear the volume.
unidentified
Shit.
Go away!
Go away!
They're just walking towards him.
You're good.
You're good, little keycat.
Oh.
Holy...
joe rogan
That thing's way too close right there.
colion noir
I think you're right, though.
I think it was a female.
joe rogan
Oh, it's 100% a female.
Because at the beginning of the video the Cubs That thing is so not worried about him, but it's moving so slow No.
unidentified
No.
I'm being scary.
joe rogan
It's too close.
It's already too close.
colion noir
You can tell he's paralyzed by fear because of what he's saying.
Initially it's funny, but I can tell that's pure fear.
joe rogan
Oh, back up, back up.
Here it is.
That's it.
unidentified
No, go away.
Go away.
No.
joe rogan
That shit is so scary.
No!
unidentified
Fuck you, dude.
Fuck you, dude.
joe rogan
But it's that thing running with the arms out of the sides like this.
I didn't know they did that.
But I think that's just a scare posture.
colion noir
And see, now that you say that and looking at it, that's what I think it was.
I think she really was trying to scare him away.
joe rogan
Yeah, she has cubs.
She didn't want him eating her babies.
colion noir
Which is understandable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
It's understandable.
I mean, that's what happens when you have the cross dynamic of...
Humans and animals.
joe rogan
If a bear was there and she was doing that, the bear would eat her cubs.
colion noir
Pretty much.
joe rogan
They eat cubs.
They eat bear cubs.
jamie vernon
You saw this, right?
joe rogan
What is that?
jamie vernon
This bear got really close to this group of skiers.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Where is this?
jamie vernon
Not in America.
unidentified
This bear was awesome.
jamie vernon
It started chasing him down the ski hill, and it's going fast.
colion noir
No, bears are fast!
joe rogan
Bro, that is terrifying.
jamie vernon
Very fast.
And it's all the way down the hill.
It gets far away, and then it catches back up because he can't go fast enough.
It gets so close.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's so dangerous.
That's a brown bear, too.
Those are the worst.
Look at all the skiers hanging around this bear.
colion noir
Look how fast it is!
joe rogan
That's a small bear.
colion noir
I was just going to say that, too.
jamie vernon
It seems like a little baby is just checking him out, but still.
unidentified
It's scary as fuck.
Whatever.
joe rogan
That'll kill you.
That baby's practicing on people.
jamie vernon
It's...
joe rogan
I told you the one time I saw a grizzly, it was only like six foot.
It wasn't a big bear.
It scared the shit out of me, though.
I've seen a lot of black bears.
I've only seen one grizzly.
colion noir
You just had a six foot grizzly.
joe rogan
They're not big.
A big grizzly is 12 feet.
colion noir
That's big to me.
joe rogan
It's big, but for a grizzly, it was a young grizzly.
But, dude, the look in that thing's eyes was so different than anything I've ever looked at before.
colion noir
It's primal.
joe rogan
It was trying to figure out if it's going to eat me.
It's so different than, like, a black bear looks at you and they're like, oh, what are you doing here?
Why aren't you here?
And they're looking at you like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.
Because they think of people as something that hunts them.
Because this is in Alberta.
And in Alberta, you can hunt black bear, you can't hunt grizzly bear.
And it's not wise, because there's a lot of them.
And they've overcome a lot of these areas that were traditional black bear areas.
Now, grizzlies are taking over.
And we were out in the woods, and I saw this grizzly bear just looking at me like this.
Like, looking you right in the eyes.
It's a different look.
And you're like, oh, fuck all this.
I remember thinking, imagine if this was like a big one, like an 11-footer or something like that.
We got the fuck out of Dodge.
colion noir
Dude, and look at it.
Is this how fast that thing was?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
colion noir
Like, I think we undervalue how fast these animals are.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, yeah.
colion noir
Because I literally, at one point, used to think that I could outrun them.
I was like, yeah, I just run.
unidentified
Just run.
colion noir
I'm pretty fast.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
colion noir
Yeah, no, that's not going to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, they run all day.
Yeah, that's true.
That's what they do.
colion noir
And they're fucking- And they cover ground, yeah.
joe rogan
Giant, man.
colion noir
Their shoulders and arms are- Honestly, after what I experienced with that buffalo hunt, My respect level for these animals is just tenfold.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
In terms of what they can do.
And I did see some people make comments about...
Look, I could be wrong about what I'm about to say here, but this is the way I see it.
Somebody was like, oh, you know, it's not really hunting.
You went out there with a gun and you shot a buffalo.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they say that about me when I hunt with a bow and arrow.
You will fucking go get him with a knife if you're tough.
colion noir
But see, somebody did say that.
And I was like, what do you want me to do?
You want me to run up there with a machete?
I can't catch him.
He's faster than me.
There's no way for me to do it.
joe rogan
Not only that, even if you did catch him, the machete wouldn't kill him.
Even if the thing didn't fight back.
You know how long it would take to kill a buffalo with a machete?
colion noir
I shot mine three times.
joe rogan
Yeah, with what round?
colion noir
The.28 Nozzler.
And that thing, I mean, it dropped.
It just kept getting up.
So I'm like, what do you want me to do?
And the thing is, when I made the lion analogy, some people were like, well, you know, a lion actually has to hunt its kill.
I'm like, a lion's also 500 pounds, can outrun me times three, and also has claws the size of my fucking head.
joe rogan
You can't listen to those people.
They're not making any sense.
They never make any sense.
It's either they don't want anybody to ever kill animals, or they just want to yell at you.
Those are the two reasons why they're doing that.
colion noir
This is true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you're going to eat meat, you're going to get people.
If you just post a steak, there's going to be a certain amount of people that go vegan to get mad at you.
colion noir
I ate the heart in a video.
Good for you?
Yeah.
unidentified
It's pretty good.
joe rogan
Delicious, right?
Did you eat the liver?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
The liver's really good.
It's really good for you, too.
colion noir
I didn't eat the liver, not because I didn't want to, just because we just didn't have the liver yet.
joe rogan
The Comanches used to take the liver and slice it and eat it raw, and they would season it with bile juice.
They would take the gallbladder juice and they would squirt it on the liver and eat it that way, because I guess it was kind of salty.
I've never tried it.
I've eaten raw liver before, which is not the best way to eat liver.
colion noir
I can imagine.
joe rogan
Yeah, liver is better when it's cooked.
colion noir
I mean, my heart was cooked.
joe rogan
Cooked heart is very good.
Yeah.
Heart is so chewy.
colion noir
It wasn't that bad.
I thought it was going to be worse.
joe rogan
Oh, did you?
colion noir
Yeah, I really did.
But when I say worse, even when I ate it, it wasn't bad at all.
It was good.
joe rogan
It's so good for you.
It's so rich in nutrients.
colion noir
Like I said, I love bison meat.
joe rogan
Did you take any of the meat home?
Did you cut any of it out?
Or did you get it all brought to a...
colion noir
I got it.
They're going to be shipping all of that over to me.
joe rogan
You're going to have hundreds of pounds of meat.
Do you have a big enough freezer?
colion noir
No.
That's why I'm going to be giving some to my friends.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're going to need...
I'll show you out there.
We have two commercial freezers that I keep elk in.
And it's amazing how much meat you get.
colion noir
Yeah.
I'm going to have to definitely...
The funny thing is they're not even sending it to me.
They're sending it to a friend of mine who has a freezer for it.
And then from there, I'm going to order a freezer, then put my portion of it, then give him some, give my mom some.
I told my mom about this and she was like, you did what?
joe rogan
Your mom didn't know you were going hunting.
unidentified
She didn't.
colion noir
She was just like, because I didn't even warn her.
I just sent her the picture afterwards.
unidentified
And so she called and she was like, you did that?
colion noir
And I was like, yeah, mom.
She's like, you had a buffalo?
I was like, yeah.
She was like, how was it?
I was like, it was good.
It was fun.
It was, you know, it was an experience.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So she just accepted it.
colion noir
Yeah.
I mean, my mom eats meat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Like, I mean, she didn't feel anywhere about it.
joe rogan
For people who don't hunt, it is a weird thing to say that you're going to go hunting.
It's like you're like one step closer to a primal person.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're going primal.
colion noir
I mean, her shock was more so because she knows I'm a city rat.
She knows me.
She knows I order my food 90% of the time.
She's like, you went hunting?
Like, yeah.
But see, the funny thing is, it's like that is the experience.
A lot of the stuff I'm experiencing, the catalyst for it was a gun, right?
And so a lot of things I ended up doing I probably wouldn't have done but for me getting into firearms the way that I did.
And so it allowed me to kind of branch out into so many aspects of life that I otherwise wouldn't have.
joe rogan
Well, you have a big advantage and you have extreme proficiency with a firearm.
colion noir
True.
joe rogan
You know, if you want to start hunting, that's a giant advantage over most people because you're obviously very good with guns.
colion noir
Well, I will say this.
I think the reason why I didn't get buck fever as I was on the gun is everything became more instinctive.
For me, when I'm not thinking, I'm a better shooter.
And so because sensorially everything was so overwhelming, the smell, the sounds, seeing the live animal in my optic, I think everything just went...
And I'm already a scatterbrain.
So anything that can force me to hyper-focus is ideal.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not.
You're also very smart.
And a smart person understands what's happening when nerves start taking over.
If you're aware of how your body works.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're not aware and then you just let it overrun you and go into full panic mode.
Yeah, your body, you know, the human body and adrenaline, it's a weird little mixture of stuff.
Very weird.
You would think that that adrenaline is supposed to benefit you.
colion noir
I think it can if you know how to use it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a wild animal.
colion noir
Because I've had panic attacks.
I've suffered from panic attacks before.
joe rogan
When was the last time you had one?
colion noir
Years.
joe rogan
What do you get them over?
colion noir
You know, sometimes they...
Some of the ones...
Well, you know what?
I say they came out of nowhere...
But because of the way my mind works and some of the things that I think about that I just used to routinely, it could have been caused by that.
But I will say, for instance, one of my major panic attacks I had actually was smoking.
joe rogan
Weed?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's normal.
colion noir
No, I know.
Well, now I know that.
I didn't know that then.
joe rogan
Those are standard parents.
colion noir
I was like, yeah.
The funny thing is, everybody has the same response when I tell them that shit.
They're like, oh, you were just smoking the wrong shit.
I was like...
joe rogan
It's not probably the right shit.
colion noir
Yeah, no, same shit I don't want.
joe rogan
Too much of it.
colion noir
I fight the high.
That's the problem.
I'm a control freak in that way.
joe rogan
Of course.
colion noir
Yeah.
So for me, I don't like the feeling of being high.
I get it.
Yeah, I don't like it.
So I think that's what caused me to kind of go, like, I need to gain control of what's going on right now.
joe rogan
That's my favorite part of weed, the panic.
colion noir
See, I remember you told me that.
I like it.
joe rogan
Like, Joe's crazy.
I like that.
colion noir
I just like...
joe rogan
I know.
I think it's because when I first started getting high, it used to freak me out.
And then I realized eventually that there's great benefit in those moments because any weird thing that I'm trying to avoid in my head, it gets brought up to the surface.
You can't avoid anything.
Pot is like a bright light that gets shined on the things you're avoiding.
So it keeps me honest.
It keeps me in check.
colion noir
You know what?
I'm still not smoking.
But yeah, I can definitely see.
I can definitely agree with you on that.
joe rogan
It makes me nicer.
It really does.
colion noir
But I mean, for me, once I understood what was going on biologically, then I was able to kind of...
To be honest, what would end up happening is, because I didn't get them frequently, but when they would come, they would be terrifying.
And then at a certain point, I almost wanted them to come because of the calm after the storm.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
colion noir
It's like, yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about with weed, too.
There's a great feeling after you get too high.
colion noir
Yeah, that is true.
Because, I mean, it's adrenaline.
It comes back down no matter what.
So, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's the weird spike of adrenaline when you're in a primal situation like hunting.
I guess it's supposed to be because you're in this sort of life or death situation and your body probably thinks you're going to go into battle.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But really, you're just staying calm and slowly squeezing off around.
colion noir
So I didn't get the heightened sense of adrenaline until after the fact.
And then you're boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Then you're like, holy shit.
colion noir
Because now I was brought back.
I'm focused on it.
And so from that perspective, I will say what did happen too was it made me, for a short period of time, kind of overanalyze my sense of morality.
You know what I mean?
Because I'm like, this buffalo woke up that morning and didn't know that Koi on the wire was going to come and hunt him and shoot him.
And I think to me, that's just my overanalytical aspect of my brain.
joe rogan
Well, it's a wise perspective because there is something to that.
That's life and death of being a buffalo or a human being.
colion noir
Human, yeah, because that's really what it did for me.
I was like, what makes me so different?
joe rogan
What does make you so different, yeah.
Well, the only thing that makes us different is the fact that we have houses and cars and bullets and guns and the fact that we're not out there getting eaten by fucking mountain lines and shit.
colion noir
Or getting attacked by homeboys when somebody else is trying to hunt us.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
There's a video, there's a great documentary called Relentless Enemies, and it's all about lions and buffalo.
And these lions in Africa, there's this one area where the river changed courses.
It changed course and it's stranded.
All these cats on this one island.
And it stranded them with nothing to eat but water buffalo.
So these cats got huge.
It's a crazy documentary.
Because the female lions in this one area are as big as male lions anywhere else.
They're fucking enormous.
And they look like cartoon lions.
Like they're jacked!
Like super jacked because all they're doing is eating water buffalo and because the females are the ones that hunt.
So these females got way bigger and way stronger because those are the only ones that survived.
And in this video, these female lions attack this water buffalo And they get it down, and then they're trying to fight this water buffalo, and the other buffalo's come along, and then at this one moment where it looks like the buffalo's going to get away, another buffalo runs up and gores him and knocks him over, and then the lions get him.
So right when it looks like this buffalo is going to survive, this other bitch-ass buffalo comes over and just jacks one of his homies, just jacks him from the side and knocks him over.
That's just a part of their nature, man.
Yeah, it really is.
Bullying like that is built in nature.
Turning on the weak is built in in nature.
colion noir
They're visceral, man.
Talk about Machiavellian.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's horrible.
It's a horrible system.
It's a horrible system that's designed to make sure that only the very strong survive.
That's it.
Even though there's no morals or ethics in the Buffalo community.
colion noir
Nothing.
joe rogan
At all.
colion noir
It just is what it is.
joe rogan
There's no us versus them.
There is with elephants, though.
Elephants save other elephants.
colion noir
You know, I think I saw that in a couple of documentaries I watch again on my nights watching Netflix drunk.
joe rogan
That's why people are like really attached to elephants.
We get real attached to things that are a little smarter.
You know when you find out that like elephants, when an elephant gets separated from its young or from a family member and they get reunited, years later they remember each other and they run up to each other and they wrap their nose, their trunk around each other and they rub each other.
colion noir
It's the fact that they're that smart, or we just have a lowered expectation of them as animals.
They're smart.
They can paint.
No, that's what I'm getting at.
Like, do you think, like, the reason why we're so fascinated, why we're so attached to elephants, is that we have a lowered expectation of their intelligence, and when they demonstrate something that seems remotely intelligent, we're, like, surprised.
Like, oh my gosh!
joe rogan
Well, we just assume that anything that can't drive a car or send an email is an idiot.
You know, we kind of know that dolphins are smart now, but it still doesn't stop SeaWorld from keeping them locked up in cages.
colion noir
Dolphins are fucking assholes.
joe rogan
Are they?
colion noir
What?
joe rogan
Assholes?
colion noir
Dolphins are...
They're the frat boys of the sea.
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely a lot of ruthless shit that goes on in the dolphin world.
colion noir
Yeah, they rape other female dolphins.
joe rogan
They also commit infanticide on a regular basis.
They kill.
colion noir
They kill for fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, they kill baby dolphins.
If a female has a baby dolphin, apparently the female won't breed for like seven years.
She'll just take care of those dolphins.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
So what females wind up doing is being sluts.
They fuck as many male dolphins as they can so that when she has a baby, the male's like, oh, I fucked her.
That might be my kid.
So they don't kill the baby.
Because otherwise, if a male comes up on a female that he hasn't had sex with and he sees her with babies, he'll just kill the baby so that he can fuck her.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's common in the bear world.
That's common in a lot of animal worlds.
They'll kill cubs in order to force the female into estrus.
It's dark.
Nature's dark.
It's evil.
It's the only way that things survive.
And to be strong, you can't have any compassion or empathy in nature.
colion noir
And then you look at us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And then I go...
joe rogan
We're getting weak.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you know what?
It's also...
unidentified
I'm worried about comments on Instagram.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But that's what leads to innovation, though.
Innovation is created in a safety vacuum, right?
You have to have people that are safe, and they don't have to worry about primal shit, and then they start thinking about, like, you know...
colion noir
I think Aristotle spoke to something like this, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
You know, like, being, having...
Having essentially the money gives you the time to be innovative.
joe rogan
Not having to worry about starving to death, not having to worry about being killed gives you time to think about things and that's how we improve.
But in improving society, we also make a lot of really soft people that reap the benefits of that without having any discipline and those are the ones that comment on social media.
That's the kind of people that you're getting.
You're getting these people that think that Their comments and their points are so important.
And shutting down others and yelling at others, it's so important.
They're just soft people.
colion noir
It boggles my mind.
It really does.
I see certain comments, I'm like, you really wrote this?
joe rogan
Well, it might be like a 15-year-old kid, and I would have written that too when I was 15. I was a fucking moron.
colion noir
I do forget sometimes that there are really young people on social media.
joe rogan
Bro, all these kids have phones.
Every kid has a phone now.
colion noir
I mean, they're so common.
Yeah, because I can think to a time where I never had a phone.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
colion noir
I never had a phone.
joe rogan
I didn't have a phone until I was in my 20s, you know?
colion noir
I don't even know how I got around without GPS. Right.
I'm like, how did I know where things were?
And I think it's just, my mind is just kind of chunked out all of...
joe rogan
When I used to do gigs back in the day, I would get a phone call.
I would have to call Mike Clark, who's a booking agent, and he would give me directions over the phone, and I would write them down.
Like, 495 North, to this, to 101. And that's how you would get places.
I'd have a piece of paper.
And then I'd be like, alright, five miles, here it is.
Then take the exit, go two miles, and I'd have to look at my little thing.
It says, two miles, okay, take a right here.
There's the street.
Like, today, nobody fucking does that anymore.
unidentified
Dude, you have to do all that.
colion noir
My ass still gets mad at my navigation when it doesn't tell me exactly, specifically, which exit to take.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
I'm like, is it this one?
And I still get lost.
joe rogan
Well, especially in Texas.
Dude, the highway system out here is ridonkulous.
colion noir
In Austin.
In Austin, it's terrible.
joe rogan
Is it better in Dallas?
colion noir
It's better in Dallas, because Austin is that bad.
joe rogan
Why is it so bad here?
colion noir
I've heard stories about why it's bad.
Trying to keep people from moving here?
No, revolving around the guy who designed them.
Personally, I think the guy that designed the freeway system here in Austin literally took an Etch-A-Sketch, gave it to his son, told him to draw some shit, and that's what he used as his base plan.
Because the system here, I think the freeways here are designed to kill you.
joe rogan
You know what it seems like to me?
It seems like as if we still use Windows 95 and they just kept patching it.
But it doesn't work for modern graphics cards and modern motherboards.
It's all fucked up.
It seems like a highway system was invented when there was a really low population.
And then they just started adding layers and roofs.
colion noir
But there was no really...
It wasn't built with the understanding that this place was going to expand.
joe rogan
Especially not the way it's expanding now.
colion noir
It's getting nuts, man.
joe rogan
I was reading something about some new highway system they're trying to tack on top of another one.
On one of the roads, they're going to put a second layer on top of it.
colion noir
So it's going to be like three layers?
joe rogan
No, a second one.
A second layer.
Because it's a flat road.
colion noir
Oh, so it's flat.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to put one above it.
Because they have to do that in some places where they realize, like, oh, there's too many cars.
colion noir
Dallas is getting like that, too.
Dallas is getting really, really, really congested as far as traffic.
Traffic really wasn't a big deal in Dallas.
Now, like, I'm starting to...
It's starting to feel like being in L.A. almost.
joe rogan
How many people live in Dallas now?
colion noir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Take a guess.
Let's guess.
colion noir
I'm going to be way off.
joe rogan
What do you think?
colion noir
Too many.
joe rogan
What's your number?
colion noir
I couldn't even give you a number.
Let me see.
joe rogan
Seven million?
unidentified
Seven million?
colion noir
I'd say now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I'd say about 8 to 9. 8 to 9. Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm going to agree with you.
I was going to go higher.
I was going to say 10. But Jamie said, you were talking about LA proper.
The city was only 10 million, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it depends on what you're defining as, because when you look it up, they'd use official definitions.
Like, I think sometimes when you're looking up Los Angeles population, Burbank isn't counted because it's a separate city, but it's within it.
joe rogan
It's all connected.
jamie vernon
So it's like it's all the same place.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all the same place, for sure.
All right, I'm saying seven.
colion noir
Seven.
joe rogan
Seven million.
jamie vernon
It says the Dallas metro population area, which includes Fort Worth, so like the whole area, is 6.3, but I see estimates of 7.5.
joe rogan
Hmm.
That's a lot.
jamie vernon
Somewhere in there.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
Is that the biggest city in Texas?
colion noir
In Texas?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
No, I think Houston is.
joe rogan
Houston's bigger?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Houston's the fourth in the country.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
What's Houston got?
jamie vernon
It's probably closer to nine.
Let's see.
colion noir
Yeah, I would give that to Houston.
joe rogan
Houston has some pretty ridiculous traffic, too.
colion noir
Yeah, but Houston's always had traffic.
jamie vernon
Just a little bit more.
Just a little bit more.
It's just around seven, too.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
They're very close.
joe rogan
So close.
colion noir
Houston just doesn't have enough freeways.
That's the problem.
joe rogan
Well, they go underwater sometimes.
colion noir
I mean, this is true, but they always come back up.
unidentified
They do.
joe rogan
We were talking before about when I used to work at the Laugh Factory, or the Laugh Stop in River Oaks.
The hotel we used to stay at, it doesn't exist anymore because it got flooded.
The water went up to the second floor.
colion noir
Funny, because I'm born and raised in Houston.
I live in Dallas now, but I pretty much grew up in Houston.
We just get used to it.
It's crazy, because literally, I remember there were times where you'd wake up, the entire city will be underwater, and then by noon, it looked like nothing happened.
joe rogan
It just drains away?
colion noir
It just...
joe rogan
Well, where does it go?
unidentified
I lived there close to 30 years and I never asked that question.
joe rogan
I think I read something about it after the last crazy flood and they were describing how the hardscape, like all the streets and everything like that, it's not good for the drainage.
colion noir
No, it's terrible.
That's the problem.
The reason why Houston floods is because the drainage system is terrible.
Right.
Yes, sure, we're below sea level, etc., etc., but the draining system in Houston is just bad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So if we get a lot of rain in a short period of time, it'll flood.
The draining system will inevitably work, but you're going to have to wait.
joe rogan
But they weren't just saying the draining system is bad.
They were saying just the fact that there's so many roads and highways because the water doesn't go through in those areas.
colion noir
Gotcha.
joe rogan
So the way that Houston used to be before people came was the water would rise up through the rain, but it would go into the ground and it wouldn't really flood.
colion noir
Gotcha.
unidentified
Gotcha.
joe rogan
But because of all the highways and the roads and the streets and all the houses and all this hard stuff where the water can't get through, the water doesn't get it in the ground until it does.
And then, you know, it stacks up for a while before it drains back down.
colion noir
See, and the funny thing is being in Dallas, I don't...
I haven't experienced the flood since I've been in Dallas.
But the one thing I had to readjust to was the cold and the snow or the ice.
That's different.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
colion noir
Even though it's only four hours away, at least the way normal people drive.
unidentified
But...
colion noir
Like, I... I remember my first winter in Dallas, and I was like, what the hell is this?
Because in Houston, we get the extremes of everything, but we never really get the extremes of snow or ice.
joe rogan
Did they get snow this last storm, though?
colion noir
Yeah, they did.
joe rogan
They did, right?
colion noir
Yeah, that's why it was so crazy.
Because Dallas, I could see, even though it was still crazy, I mean, I was out there driving around, you know.
Because I've spun out on ice before, so I know how to drive.
joe rogan
Do you know how to drive in snow?
colion noir
Now I do.
Three, four years ago, I didn't know.
Yeah, because I learned the hard way.
I literally spun out.
I remember I had to go to Oklahoma with a co-worker, and we were driving, and so there was an ice storm.
Oklahoma gets real winter.
joe rogan
Right, they get real winter.
colion noir
And so we were like, we can stay in a shitty hotel.
Or we can just drive back to Dallas.
And I was like...
joe rogan
How far does that drive?
colion noir
Like three hours.
Normally?
Normally.
Took us ten.
Because...
Because I'm like, I want to be back.
I don't want to be in Oklahoma.
Much love to Oklahoma, but I'm not fucking staying in Oklahoma.
unidentified
So I was like...
joe rogan
Much love to Oklahoma, but fuck you.
colion noir
So I was like, all right, let's just drive, right?
So me and a coworker, we're driving back.
And I remember the lady gave us this warning.
She was just like...
She's like, be careful because, you know, they shut down some of the highways, so that means it's pretty bad.
They're like, oh, we're fine.
We'll take the back roads.
That's the worst thing you could do.
joe rogan
What kind of car are you driving?
colion noir
I was in a 2007 Range Rover.
Oh, Jesus.
Yeah.
And that's another thing, a false sense of security.
I didn't know shit.
I was like, oh, we'll be fine.
You know, we're good.
joe rogan
Range Rovers are pretty good in snow.
colion noir
Yeah, not with freaking street tires.
joe rogan
Ice, yeah, not with street tires.
colion noir
But nothing saves you from ice, though.
joe rogan
Nothing.
colion noir
Unless you have chains on your bikes or something like that.
So we took the back roads, like you pointed out, dumbest idea you can do because they don't sand them or de-ice them or anything like that.
We're literally, we skated from Oklahoma to Dallas.
We skated because literally we would, I would drive like maybe 9, 10 miles an hour and then I would, like if there was a car ahead of me, I would have to gauge how long it would take me to slow down because I'm going to slide to a stop.
So literally, and at some point you would think two smart individuals, and the guy, my coworker, he was even smarter, just exceptionally smart guy, would have thought, turn your ass around and go back to the hotel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Once you're on our way.
colion noir
So we get to this back portion, and it's like there's a bit of an embankment.
And I'm like, all right, cool.
All I'll do is I'll just drive real slow and get across that.
I didn't think much of it.
So I'm driving.
I can feel the back kind of jiggle a little bit.
I'm like, oh, okay, you know, just slow down a little bit more.
Back jiggles a little bit.
I'm like, oh, that's not good.
Back starts kind of doing this and then breaks.
And so now we're doing a 360 on this embankment right into a ditch.
In the middle of nowhere, Oklahoma.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
colion noir
So now I'm like, so we're literally sitting there and we just kind of look at each other and I'm like, we're back in into the ditch.
unidentified
And I'm like, fuck.
colion noir
And luck would have it, there was a couple farmers comes driving on by in the tractor.
joe rogan
They pulled you out?
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
colion noir
He goes up to the window and he's like, boy, seem to be in a little bit of trouble.
I was like, yep, yep, yep.
We kind of spun out.
He's like, yeah, I've seen several of these today.
And he's like, I'll get you out in about five minutes.
unidentified
And then he goes...
colion noir
Fancy little truck you got here.
Isn't this thing four-wheel drive?
joe rogan
I was like, yeah, but shit, what the hell is that going to do against ICE? Well, not only that, it's four-wheel drive, but it might not be all-time four-wheel drive.
You might have to turn that on.
Did you turn it on?
colion noir
The Range Rovers, I think Range Rovers are full-time.
joe rogan
Are they really?
Full-time four-wheel drive?
I drove one in Utah a couple weeks ago.
They're pretty fucking sweet, man.
colion noir
I don't like them now.
joe rogan
I liked it a lot, but I know they break.
colion noir
Yeah, I'm a douche.
I like G-Wagons.
joe rogan
G-wagons are great.
They're great.
But Range Rovers are great, man.
Like I said, I drove one in Utah.
colion noir
No, they're great.
Great vehicles.
They're just not my thing.
joe rogan
They break too much.
colion noir
Yeah, because they're really complicated, especially with the airbags, the air suspension, and all of that.
At least I know with the model I had.
I had the OG model.
But I don't know what the new ones are like now.
I mean, those were literally set to fail.
Like, they're gonna go out.
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
So you would have to replace those airbags.
joe rogan
It's not just that.
It's the electronics.
colion noir
All the electronics.
joe rogan
Like, you can't really give them a pass if they're complicated, because so is Lexuses.
colion noir
That wasn't a pass.
joe rogan
Lexuses are complicated, too, and they never break.
And they have all kinds of crazy shit in terms of, like, their off-road ability, like the LX570. This is true.
There's all sorts of shit you can do on those things, and they never break, man.
I've had three of those.
colion noir
Yeah, but they're pretty much...
joe rogan
It's a Toyota.
colion noir
Toyota 4Runners.
Essentially, that's what they are.
joe rogan
No, it's a Land Cruiser.
It's like a super juiced up Land Cruiser.
Yeah, I got you.
colion noir
Land Cruiser.
That's what I was looking for.
joe rogan
But still, it's like, why can't...
Range Rover do that?
Because it's such a beautiful car.
colion noir
Well, it's because the British make beautiful things.
They don't make great functioning things.
I will say that.
Like, look at Aston Martin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Beautiful cars.
colion noir
Beautiful.
But like you said, they break.
joe rogan
They break.
colion noir
They break.
joe rogan
That's how I feel about Ferraris.
I don't trust my people.
colion noir
You know what?
I got to say this because Lamborghinis would like that too.
joe rogan
They're better now, though, right?
colion noir
Because it's because of Adi.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they got bought by the Germans.
colion noir
Yeah, this is true.
joe rogan
They took them away from the Guineas.
They're like, give me that thing, man.
colion noir
You know what the fuck you're making?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
colion noir
Here's the problem, though.
joe rogan
This is missing a bolt.
colion noir
Here's the problem, though.
I think some of the passion is being sucked out.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
So they're making them sterile.
colion noir
Now, this is probably an unfair comparison, largely because...
This vehicle was designed to be the Porsche Cayenne for Lamborghini.
joe rogan
Oh, that four-wheel drive Urus thing?
colion noir
Oh, Urus, yeah.
joe rogan
Urus, did I say it?
colion noir
I think so.
I don't know.
I say it 12 different ways because I hear different people say it.
So I go, it's like, I started off by saying Urus and then I heard them say Urus.
joe rogan
Four-wheel drive.
colion noir
Yeah, basically.
Their SUV, right?
And that's supposed to be their moneymaker.
So that's why I think this might be a little unfair comparison, but essentially it's a Q8. It's a QRS8. A dope looking one.
Yeah.
I mean, depending on who you ask.
There are some people who can't stand the styling on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a little busy.
colion noir
It is.
But I think they had to do that because they had to separate it from the fact that it is essentially a QRS8. Is it?
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
They took a Q8. They put a body kit on it.
And changed the interior, made the interior more drastic, and then gave it a shit ton of power, and then said, put a Lamborghini badge on it and said, here you go.
Now, I understand why they did that, because it's designed to be their moneymaker so that they can put money towards their hyper car, their exotic cars.
joe rogan
Like Porsche did with the Cayenne.
colion noir
Exactly.
So it was kind of an unfair comparison.
However, when you look at, say, for instance, the Huracan.
Huracan, not withstanding the Huracan Evo, which now is the rear-wheel drive, everybody loves that one, but as good as it is, it's exceptionally good, but I think there's some of the passion lost because it is too good.
And I think there's something to be said about that.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
colion noir
This is also coming from the guy who was talking about the inadequacies of a manual transmission.
So, like I said, I'm a walking contradiction.
joe rogan
The thing about those Lamborghinis, though, it's like you're sending a very clear douche vibe when you drive one.
colion noir
How do you...
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, especially if you have like a Murcielago or...
colion noir
This is true.
joe rogan
You got those doors that pop up sideways.
colion noir
So the Huracan don't have the Lamborghini doors anymore.
unidentified
They have regular doors.
colion noir
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
But the Murcielago does.
What is the big Lamborghini?
What's the number one, the top of the food chain Lamborghini?
colion noir
It's the Ventador.
joe rogan
Ventador.
colion noir
Yeah, that's their...
joe rogan
That thing is ridiculous.
That seems like a spaceship.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Now, it is.
Because, damn it, it looks like one.
joe rogan
Yeah, it really does.
It looks like a stealth bomber or something.
colion noir
But I prefer the Huracan.
joe rogan
Yeah?
colion noir
Yeah.
I think the Huracan's beautiful.
I think the proportions on the Huracan are just dead-on.
joe rogan
It's pretty sleek.
It's different than a Ferrari, right?
Ferrari's like you've got money and you're a classy person who likes nice things.
colion noir
Depending on who you talk to.
Because some people, if you're in any of those badges, the Lamborghini, the Ferrari, what is the other one?
There's another one I'm missing.
Just those two, generally speaking.
joe rogan
It's really just those two.
colion noir
And maybe even McLaren.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe McLaren.
colion noir
You see those, you think automatically people think douchebag.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bugatti for sure.
colion noir
But see, Bugatti is so high in tier, it's kind of like...
joe rogan
The ultimate floss.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
Even though I'm not...
They don't really do anything for me.
joe rogan
You're driving a really nice house.
colion noir
Pretty...
Two houses.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But then the funny thing is...
You go down to the scale of a Porsche, for instance, and nobody even takes two looks at a Porsche.
joe rogan
Well, you can have a Porsche that's a daily driver, though, like a 911, like a Carrera 4S. Yeah.
They look kind of like they're nice-looking, but they blend in.
colion noir
They blend in.
joe rogan
They're low-key.
colion noir
Yeah.
I mean, I think the Turbo's the ultimate version of that.
joe rogan
Yes.
colion noir
Because, I mean, you can literally destroy pretty much anything on the road in a Turbo S, and then you could also take it and drive As far as...
You can take it on a road trip to freaking Las Vegas from Dallas if you wanted to.
joe rogan
That's really the ultimate daily driver supercar.
colion noir
That's why I got the one that I got.
Because I knew...
I mean, it's four-wheel drive.
Like, I remember the last time I was in Austin and I drove it here.
On a drive back, it was like a tsunami.
And I was just sitting here.
joe rogan
Four-wheel drive, yeah.
colion noir
Four-wheel drive.
I'm driving the speed limit.
joe rogan
It's also all the electronic stability systems and everything is so well designed.
colion noir
Because they just continue to evolve over, they just evolve the platform and they perfect it each time.
joe rogan
It's also super reliable.
There was a thing about the Porsche 911. I think that's true.
It was the most reliable car of 2020. Oh, really?
I think it was the 911. Yeah, there was some article about Porsche 911 being the most reliable car, which makes sense if you think about the evolution of the vehicle and it continued to evolve.
jamie vernon
Most dependable, maybe?
joe rogan
Most dependable.
Highest-ranked model for trouble-free ownership.
That's amazing.
You think about a car that is a fucking ridiculously fast, incredible car.
unidentified
It's a rocket ship, yeah.
joe rogan
9-11 is the highest ranked model for trouble-free ownership in the J.D. Power 2021 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study.
That's amazing.
colion noir
And guess what?
It has a lot of space.
joe rogan
It does?
colion noir
It deceptively does.
joe rogan
Well, the backseat's bullshit, unless you have tiny kids.
colion noir
Yeah, that's true.
It has a lot of space if you're a bachelor and you don't have kids and shit.
joe rogan
They really shouldn't upholster it like it's a seat, because you're lying.
colion noir
I've seen people back there before.
I'm dead serious.
Grown-ups.
joe rogan
I get it, but it's terribly uncomfortable.
colion noir
It's weird.
Even now, I brought a lot of stuff when I drove in now, and I was able to flip.
I can flip down a seat, and then I had my luggage, and then I had my duffel, my backpack, and then a bunch of other stuff that I had.
I put it in the frunk.
Yeah.
It was good to go.
joe rogan
That's true.
You can definitely get some stuff behind you, whereas if you have a real sports car like a Lamborghini, there's nothing behind you.
It's a mid-engine.
colion noir
It's uselessness.
joe rogan
Or even the Corvette.
The new Corvette, there's nothing back there.
colion noir
There really isn't.
joe rogan
There's no room.
And even the trunk's a joke.
It's this big.
You've got room for a bag of groceries.
colion noir
Which is weird, though, because the Corvette is actually a damn good daily driver car.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But from a functionality standpoint, in terms of living, From a space perspective, not so much.
joe rogan
It's going to be weird to see where cars go because I think they're all going to go electric.
colion noir
They are.
joe rogan
I think we've got maybe a decade or so.
colion noir
Which is why I think the new GT3 is such a big deal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
The antithesis of everything with respect to where the cars are going to be going.
joe rogan
Naturally aspirated, 500 horsepower.
colion noir
I mean, it screams up to 9,000 RPM. It's so fast, too.
joe rogan
And it handles so well.
It cut the Nürburgring time down by...
colion noir
It did it in seven minutes.
joe rogan
Yeah, seven minutes.
colion noir
No, under seven minutes.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's so fast.
What's the world record on the Nürburgring with a production car?
colion noir
Is it?
joe rogan
I wonder what it is.
colion noir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Because I think they said the 911 GT3 is as fast as the 918 supercar.
colion noir
Yeah, it did it faster than the 918. That's nuts.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
colion noir
And it did it 17 seconds faster than the previous GT3. That's nuts.
And then did it a couple seconds faster than the GT3 RS up current.
What?
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
colion noir
The only thing that beat it within the Porsche lineup is the GT2 RS. That thing is a Widowmaker.
joe rogan
Yeah, my buddy Brendan Schaub has one of those.
It's a ridiculous car.
Here, the 2021 Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series broke the Nürburgring production car record.
Let me see what that looks like.
colion noir
So I drove one of those on a track one.
Not that one in particular.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
You don't like it?
colion noir
No, I do.
joe rogan
That thing's beautiful.
My God, look at that thing.
Look at the vented fenders, the front fenders.
colion noir
I think it looks like a penis, though.
joe rogan
I like dicks.
I mean, I like my own.
I like big red ones.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What did I say?
That looks fucking great, man.
You think that looks like a dick?
Yeah.
I don't know what your dick looks like, but maybe you should go to a doctor.
colion noir
You got the balls in the back and then you got the...
joe rogan
That thing looks great, man.
colion noir
I think it's a good looking car.
I really do.
joe rogan
I think it looks fucking amazing.
colion noir
I mean, it's basically a muscle car.
joe rogan
Hit the fucking gas on that.
Woo!
Come on, man.
unidentified
That thing's fucking beautiful.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
colion noir
I'd still take a Porsche over it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I wouldn't hate it.
colion noir
Nah, I mean, yeah, we're splitting hairs at this point.
joe rogan
Look at the wing on that motherfucker.
That wing is ridiculous.
colion noir
What was the time they said they did Norberg ring on?
jamie vernon
Didn't say.
joe rogan
I'm generally not into red cars, but that's fucking gorgeous.
colion noir
Would you call that red or like an orange fire red or something like that?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't like that green.
I've seen that green version of it a few times.
Scroll back up, Jamie, to the top photo.
I guess that's red.
Is that red?
colion noir
That kind of gives me orange.
joe rogan
You don't think that's red?
jamie vernon
It's orange of some kind.
colion noir
It's like flame orange.
joe rogan
Whatever it is, it's dope.
jamie vernon
Infrared, maybe?
joe rogan
Infrared, ooh.
That's a fucking beautiful car, man.
I love that thing.
I like the flared fenders, too.
It's wider than the standard.
So what does it say with the...
jamie vernon
I didn't see a time anywhere.
joe rogan
Man, that's a sleek piece of engineering.
But it's weird because I would assume that a mid-engine car would be better at handling the Nurburgring.
colion noir
I think it's incredible considering...
unidentified
Damn, 643, that's so crazy.
joe rogan
Straight from the box.
Oh my god.
colion noir
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
colion noir
I mean, it's a good-looking car.
joe rogan
I'll give you that.
$389,000.
colion noir
Woo!
joe rogan
Someone's ballin'.
colion noir
Yeah.
I won't be saying that in my lifetime.
joe rogan
You never know.
YouTube monetizes you again.
Do they fuck with you?
Do they pull your shit down?
colion noir
Man, it's like in cycles.
It's really weird.
joe rogan
Yeah?
colion noir
Like, sometimes they'll leave me alone, and then other times it's just, like, bad.
joe rogan
I was wondering what was going to happen during the pandemic because all these liberals started buying up guns.
A lot of my liberal friends were buying guns and asking me about guns and this.
colion noir
Yeah, reality has a weird way of doing that.
joe rogan
Oh man, when you saw the lines, when there was lines at the gun stores, I was like, this is fascinating.
colion noir
What it was was a literal example, real world example of what I've been saying for the last 10, 15 years.
joe rogan
True.
colion noir
About, look, at the end of the day, the only person responsible for your safety is you.
Can't depend on the government.
They won't be there.
Not because they don't want to be.
They can't.
joe rogan
Especially when things go sideways.
When civilization goes sideways, and we, relatively speaking, got lucky with the pandemic because it was a fairly mild virus in comparison to if something killed 30% of the population.
colion noir
We got, like, Spanish flu version?
joe rogan
We got Mad Max.
Then it's madness.
And then, you know, fuck.
Then it can get real scary.
colion noir
Very much so.
joe rogan
It was scary already, man.
It was scary seeing all these fucking people lining up at the gun store.
Because I'm like, first of all, these people don't have any...
I would like to, like, raise of hands.
How many of you guys have ever shot a gun?
How many of you guys know how to shoot a gun?
How many of you know about just basic gun safety?
colion noir
None.
joe rogan
They just want to be protected.
colion noir
I think...
That is the biggest problem we have with respect to the conversation on a national level.
Because if you think about it, we have over 400 million guns in this country.
Why don't we have a bigger initiative to inform people, even people who don't own guns, about guns?
It's part of our life.
joe rogan
I think because they think it'll encourage people to buy guns and they don't want to encourage people to buy guns.
colion noir
Which is true.
Which is very true.
But it also speaks to how disingenuous the whole gun control thing is.
And I keep saying it.
Gun control is disingenuous.
Because if the goal is about saving lives, you would do the things that would actually save lives.
Instead, what you do is you grandstand.
And you do things that really honestly are designed to further restrict a right To take those guns away from people.
And a lot of people think that's very conspiratorial.
But I've been following this long enough to know what the end goal is.
Because if you follow the logical deduction of gun control, the only answer is to take all the guns.
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, there's too many of them now.
It's an insurmountable problem.
And I think it's a problem that if they really do try to say, we're going to take your guns, the blowback would be fucking crazy.
Like, just a blowback to people saying, we're going to do a vaccine passport.
People started freaking out.
colion noir
As they should.
joe rogan
And then the Biden administration was like, no, no, no, we're not doing that.
We have no plans for a vaccine passport.
But there was a lot of irresponsible people that were saying, this is what we need, a vaccine passport.
colion noir
And you see, that is...
Exactly why.
There's a lot of pessimistic thinking, especially in the gun community, where, like, I put out videos and I'm like, you know, you're just preaching to the choir.
And I'm not.
joe rogan
You're not.
colion noir
I'm not.
joe rogan
Because there's a lot of people that I know that are not even gun owners that will send me your video.
And say, hey, your friend made a great point about this.
And they'll go, I'm thinking about it now in a different way because of these videos.
You're not preaching to the choir.
You're making a lot of logical points.
And because of the fact that you're a lawyer, you understand all the sort of mechanisms of the way legislation gets passed and the way this could be a real problem down the line.
colion noir
Yeah, very much so.
But the thing about it, too, is it's...
I think a lot of people don't understand the actual power we have as people in this country in comparison with respect to the relationship we have with the government.
It's supposed to be a working relationship.
It's not supposed to be one of dominance.
And I think too many people just kind of throw their hands up and accept it.
It's like it's the government.
I mean, what are you going to do, right?
So we have to plead to them to give us things or do things that we know.
That's not necessarily the case like you pointed out with the passports.
You create enough issue with it, with enough people, they'll understand, shit, we can't do this.
And so I think that is the one thing that I try to implore a lot of people that watch my videos is like, no, you have the power to protect the rights that you deem to be important rights.
joe rogan
But you have to do it before they get changed.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Because once they get changed, we're fucked.
Because a lot of people don't remember, but...
During the Obama administration, there were some calls by that administration to regulate the internet.
They were talking about regulating the internet, and people freaked the fuck out.
People were like, what, the government is going to step in and tell people what they can and can't put online?
And then they backed off of it.
colion noir
But they're okay with the government telling you what gun you can own to protect your life.
joe rogan
See, they're only okay if it's not real, right?
In their world, it's not applicable.
They're not being attacked.
No one's breaking into their home.
They don't live in a neighborhood where they have to defend themselves all the time.
So they think it's not a factor until it is a factor.
And when it becomes a factor, it's too late.
What I'm worried about with all this talk about gun control is, first of all, I don't think people really understand that there are folks out there who have saved their loved ones lives and saved their lives because they had a gun.
All you hear about is some crazy fuck goes and shoots up a church or some crazy fuck goes and shoots up a school and we gotta take the guns away.
colion noir
You know what's crazy?
You know why you hear about that so much?
because it's rare.
With considering the number of people we have in this country and the amount of guns we have in this country, it's a rarity to see those things.
And so they get talked about the way they get talked about because they're like, holy crap, that happened.
But what doesn't get seen, too, is like you pointed out, like, CDC did a study.
I mean, it's a broad spectrum.
But on the low end, we're talking about 500,000 to 600,000 people every year use a gun to defend themselves.
And that was a number cited by an anti-gun organization.
joe rogan
What is the number?
colion noir
About 500,000 to 600,000 people.
joe rogan
Every year to defend themselves?
colion noir
Every year to defend themselves.
On the high end, it's like 2 million.
unidentified
What?
colion noir
Yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
So this is someone breaking into your house, trying to steal your car, that kind of shit.
colion noir
A lot of it, too, goes unreported.
So, for instance, if somebody tries to rob me and I pull out my gun to defend myself and they take off, I'm not necessarily going to call it cops.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Right?
But...
A lot of people don't hear about those things because where are you going to hear about it?
Except for platforms like mine.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And then I'm struggling every day because I'm getting shadow banned or, you know, some videos getting demonetized or taken down.
So it's hard for me to get that information out there.
joe rogan
Well, that's what I wanted to talk to you about.
One of the things, like, did anything shift when people started buying guns?
When there was this moment where, what was the number of gun sales went up?
Something crazy.
colion noir
Shit, it was crazy.
joe rogan
Like 40-something percent.
colion noir
It was higher than that.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, let's find it.
Let's guess.
I'm thinking it's like 40%.
Jamie, what do you think?
What's your guess?
What's the percentage?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that sounds right.
I have a different question.
joe rogan
Okay, go ahead.
jamie vernon
I'm looking that up because I see the statistic of 500,000 to 3 million.
But why would the Center for Disease Control be doing that?
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Because they want to make it a healthcare issue.
You hear them say it all the time.
They say this is a public health issue.
It's easier to sell gun control when you deem it a public.
It's no different than COVID and a vaccine.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't it be the ATF, though?
colion noir
Because it's easier to sell it as a public health issue.
joe rogan
I know, but firearms is literally in their title.
colion noir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And if you say it the way Biden says it, you switch firearms and tobacco.
unidentified
That AFT. But you got to...
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
They're very good.
The one thing I will say about them, and when I say them, I mean the gun control lobby, which generally speaking, and I got a lot of people who follow me who are more liberal, they hate when I bring up the Democrats.
They hate it because they think I'm just trying to push this one-sided...
Narrative with respect to the Republicans.
No.
It is what it is.
If you look at all the gun control legislation, you look at anybody who's pushing gun control, the vast majority of them, I'm talking 99% of the time, they are Democrats.
joe rogan
Why do you think that is?
colion noir
Because Democrats are, the Democratic ideology is based around bigger government.
Right?
And so you can't necessarily exact your control over a group of people if they have something as self-reliant as a firearm.
joe rogan
Do you really think that's what it is?
colion noir
I do think that to a degree that is it.
joe rogan
I think it's that the ideology behind being a left-wing person is you want less violence and I think maybe you're more reluctant to actually take into account real human nature and the real potential breakdown of society that would cause you to need a gun.
I think they're more idealistic, more utopian, and perhaps more delusional.
colion noir
I think the people who vote Democrat believe that.
I think the people in power have a different agenda.
And honestly, they are the proverbial hammer.
So when your fundamental ideologies are based around bigger government, you think the solution for everything is more government.
So if a shooting happens, right, and come on, do we really think government is the most efficient entity at solving problems in our country?
No.
People complain about the government all the time.
But when you are the government, Right.
Restrict that.
Take that.
So they take on a more apparent role as opposed to an entity designed to find true solutions to fix a problem.
So they say, OK, well, if this small number of people are killing people with guns, take the guns away.
It's an oversimplified approach to any problem that comes up because they're not really about getting to the true issue of the problem.
They just want to either look like they're doing something about it, and so they'll just take the easiest approach.
Or they'll try to scapegoat it on something because at the end of the day, they realize that their ineptitude with respect to leadership is going to be put on full blast.
More specifically, our inner cities.
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
colion noir
So if the vast majority, I mean close to 80 percent of gun homicides in this country are coming from our inner cities and we have 400 million guns in this country.
joe rogan
Is it really 80%?
colion noir
Damn near yes.
It's high.
It's high.
I'm talking gun homicides.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Not like gun deaths.
Right.
And it's driven by gang and drug violence.
joe rogan
And with gun deaths, then you start including suicide.
colion noir
Exactly.
Yeah.
And so if you understand that, that means that we're having a high concentrated level of violence in very specific areas in this country.
And as a result of that, you look at that and you say, okay, well, we have high concentrated – we have an era of concentrated violence in specific areas, but yet we have guns all across the country that don't have this violence.
So clearly there's something else going on here other than the fact that there are guns.
And then predominantly these inner cities are led by Democrats.
It just is what it is.
It's not me playing politics.
joe rogan
And they have heavy gun control, which is even crazier.
colion noir
So it stands to reason you're not doing something in these places that you should be doing in order to deal with this violence.
And in my research and in my study, when I was reading this book, it's called, I think it's like Don't Shoot or something like that.
I can't remember the exact title of it.
So I was reading this book and it was talking about this program called Ceasefire.
There is a program currently now that's called ceasefire, but I don't think it's the same program, or it's a former shell of itself.
But this guy, this criminologist, he set out, and I think it was done in Boston, and they were dealing with a lot of violence in their inner cities.
And so what they did is they put together a program.
It was a very holistic approach to the violence.
And essentially, the cops came together along with the community leaders and so forth and so on, and they knew who the perpetrators were of this violence.
You got to think about it.
Do we really honestly believe that the vast majority of these kids in the inner city are killers?
No.
It takes a very specific type of person to be a killer.
So a lot of the killings that are taking place in these places are done by a very hyper-focused group of kids in these areas.
And the vast majority of the time, the police know who these kids are.
Police know who the perpetrators of this violence are.
And so what they did is they came together.
They said, all right, here's what we're going to do.
And they brought the leaders of the gangs and the kids who were out on the street, so forth and so on, came together and said, look, we're not going to say we're not going to arrest you for the drug dealing.
Because, I mean, whatever happens, happens with respect to that.
But if the bodies continue, we're going to make life incredibly hard for you on these streets.
Really hard.
And as time went on, the violence stopped.
The number went down.
Because at the end of the day, you got to think about a lot of these kids are carrying guns not because they want to go and kill someone.
They're carrying guns because they're scared.
They've grown up in an environment that has forced them to engage in the lifestyle that they're in, generally speaking.
So if I'm a kid, and even if I don't want to partake in this particular lifestyle, if that's the only thing that surrounds me, and I know at any given point my life could be threatened, I'm going to carry a gun too.
Or even if I'm a kid that's like, look, I just want to make some extra money.
I'm not justifying drug dealers.
I'm not justifying the selling of drugs.
But if I'm a kid who just says, you know what, I want to sell money because I grew up, the only form of success that I've seen were the drug dealers in my area, so I'm going to sell drugs.
Of course he's going to carry a firearm.
He's selling drugs.
There are going to be other people who are going to try to take his product, so forth and so on.
Doesn't necessarily mean he's a killer, right?
So when you focus entirely on the firearm and only on the firearm, It doesn't do anything to actually deal with the underlying issue that's happening in these places.
It's a socioeconomic issue.
When you grow up in poverty, I'm sorry, there's going to be a predisposition with respect to your area.
You're going to have more violence there because what is the natural economy there?
Drugs.
joe rogan
That's one of the weirder aspects of gun violence is the reluctance to address the violence in inner cities while focusing on the violence of the rare mass shooter.
Because the inner city, like if you look at the south side of Chicago, it's a regular basis.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's almost every weekend there's a bunch of homicides.
colion noir
I think the reason why is because, like, you actually touched on it.
How do you avoid inner city violence?
joe rogan
You're going to have to fix the crime.
colion noir
No, no, I mean just you.
How do you avoid being a victim?
joe rogan
Stay out of the inner city.
colion noir
Exactly.
However, when people feel like some random yo-yo can walk into a store and just start shooting people, it terrifies them, which is understandable.
It's totally understandable.
But none of these laws that they're proposing do anything to stop this.
They won't.
joe rogan
No.
colion noir
So it begs the question, is the goal really to try to save lives?
Or are they leveraging these shootings to get this specific agenda that they have passed?
joe rogan
You know, there's another thing.
There's a reluctance to ever accept the fact that in certain situations, like in Boulder, Colorado, when that guy walked in the supermarket and started shooting people, If there was a person there that was trained with a firearm that knew what was going on and knew how to use it, they could have taken that guy out.
colion noir
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That's a fact.
If someone was a Navy SEAL and they just happened to be in that place and they were carrying, that would have been over.
unidentified
I don't even think the person needs to be in ABC. But if it was.
joe rogan
That's an example of someone who's highly trained and knows exactly how to use a gun.
But if you have someone who's well-trained and has a gun in that situation, people don't want to admit that that is a factor, that someone can save lives.
It's happened before.
There's been mass shooters.
There was one that guy in a church, right?
colion noir
Literally.
And you know what?
Oh, this made me so mad.
After that shooting happened, I mean, we saw it on video.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
On video.
The guy walked in, shot two people.
Guy in the church got his gun out, shot him dead before he can kill anyone else.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Bloomberg gets a press conference and literally says, I don't think the regular person should be walking around with a firearm.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Bloomberg has armed guards, that motherfucker.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
He's a billionaire.
You don't think that guy's got train killers?
colion noir
And guess who is one of the biggest drivers financially for the gun control lobby in this country?
joe rogan
That guy.
colion noir
Bloomberg.
joe rogan
Why?
colion noir
I don't know.
He's made it his life mission to basically push gun control.
That's his thing.
joe rogan
But what do you think motivates someone like that?
colion noir
I think if you look at Bloomberg, considering who he is, I think a lot of it is there is a control power factor with respect to...
He just doesn't like...
Think about it.
If I'm a billionaire to the degree that Bloomberg is, right?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
I'm sitting here on Mount Olympus, right?
The only thing that brings me back down here to regular people is the fact that you mean any of these regular people can be walking around with a firearm and decided they want to kill me, they just can't?
It's a level of humility I don't think he wants to deal with.
Because that's what makes everyone equal.
I don't think he likes that.
I really don't.
And so in his mind, he's like, the more I can get the guns out of the hands of the people, the higher on how Mount Olympus I get to sit without worrying.
And I think this is the case for a lot of people who are considered the elite.
They don't like that idea.
They don't like the fact that the common man can have any gun he wants.
It just bothers them.
joe rogan
I wonder if that's true.
I think there's a thing in liberal orthodoxy, and liberal orthodoxy is we need gun control.
And if you argue against that and go, well, you know what?
Sometimes guns save lives.
People just blow a circuit.
They can't handle it because it's a narrative they don't like to accept.
colion noir
Well, I think because it's a lot easier to see yourself as a victim Of gun violence than it is to see you as a protector of your life.
It's a heavy thing to kind of accept.
Because it's so much more satisfying to think that if something happens, I can pick up the phone, call the cops, and somebody else will come deal with it.
joe rogan
But didn't everybody learn from this pandemic that, especially after the George Floyd protests, that cops aren't, they're not that effective.
colion noir
Yeah, we have short memories, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's so short.
I mean, it's happened, like, over the last few months, when people realize, like, when shit gets crazy and they start burning cop cars, like, cops aren't gonna come when you call them.
And that's all it would take.
All it takes is, like, one well-armed group of people to attack a police department, and they're done.
That's it.
unidentified
Done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
But our memories are short.
And, you know, and these politicians play on those memories.
Like, even if you take into account the laws they try to pass, because people get on me all the time, they call me a fearmonger, because I tell them, no, their ultimate goal is to take guns.
Yes, there are 400 million of them, but their ultimate goal is to take guns.
That's essentially what it is.
And the way I can prove it, and they literally leverage our short memory.
joe rogan
I think part of it too is that that's how you get elected, by saying that you're going to do something about guns.
Because those people that are a part of this sort of liberal orthodoxy, this liberal ideology...
They think that's a problem.
You need to get rid of guns.
We got gun violence.
You need to get rid of those guns.
So this guy says he's going to get rid of those guns.
That's what I want to hear.
And then this guy's saying, we need the Second Amendment to stay strong.
And no!
He's going to get more guns!
There was a cartoon that was released recently that someone put together that was showing Guns that are legal versus guns that are illegal and how confusing it is.
Because what was Biden trying to push?
There's something about stocks, about stabilizers for pistols.
Stabilizing pistols, yeah.
colion noir
Stabilizing pistol brace.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But then there's other ones that have a brace that are legal.
colion noir
So essentially, I could actually show you right now if you really wanted to.
joe rogan
Yeah, show me.
colion noir
Alright, so I have...
joe rogan
There's a video.
I'm going to see if I can find this video too.
What do you got?
You got guns on you?
Jesus Christ, how dare you?
Bring a gun into this place.
How dare you, sir?
I'm going to find this.
I think it's on...
I don't know if it's that one.
Is this it?
Yeah, this is it.
Jamie, go to...
Here, I'll send you this.
I'll send you this.
Because this is very bizarre.
It's on this Instagram page that I follow.
Okay, I just sent it to you.
It's this video from the underscore typical underscore liberal on Instagram.
But it's a cartoon.
This is a goddamn gun on television.
You're going to get us pulled off of...
Oh, you can't.
We're on Spotify.
unidentified
Ha ha.
colion noir
So this is the brace that Joe Biden wants to regulate that would make this.
joe rogan
Bring it out here so everyone can see what's going on here.
So that is technically a pistol?
colion noir
This is a pistol.
joe rogan
That does not look like a pistol.
That's something Chuck Norris would have.
colion noir
So the reason why this is considered a pistol is because there isn't a stock.
This is not a stock.
This is a brace.
And I know the guy.
I'm good friends with the guy who actually invented this.
So what the brace was designed to do is he had a friend who was a veteran who was injured.
And so it's hard to shoot a pistol of this size with one hand.
So what this is designed to do is you take this here, this opens up, you wrap it around your arm, and it allows you to stabilize the gun.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, so it's like a Velcro deal.
unidentified
Exactly.
colion noir
So the thing about it is, is what the people have a problem with, it's, sure, could I use this and put it on my shoulder to shoot?
Yes, I can.
That's not what it was designed for, though.
So you can't go just reclassify this because people are using this in a way that wasn't intended to be used for in the first place.
joe rogan
So it's just that it makes it more accurate?
Is that what it is?
colion noir
It just stabilizes it so you can shoot it more accurately, especially if I'm somebody who's injured and I can only shoot with one hand.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean, what's next?
We're going to get rid of red dots?
colion noir
I mean, that's where we're going.
joe rogan
We're going to go to only open sites because iron sites are less accurate?
colion noir
But I mean, isn't that the whole point of a firearm is to be as proficient as possible at stopping the thing that's attacking you?
But again, it boils down to the idea that you never see yourself as a defender, you see yourself as the victim.
And so you want to do everything in your power to make the person who you feel is going to attack you with these things less able to do that.
But not realizing that By doing that, all it does is it takes away the guns from the people who are good and need to have them to defend themselves against the people who are bad who are gonna break the laws anyway to get the very thing that you thought you were gonna keep them from getting.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's also like gun culture that people don't like.
The celebration of shooting things and blowing things up.
People get angry at that because they feel like it's glorifying it and they feel like you're gonna get those guns and put them in the hands of shitty toxic male people and they're gonna want to shoot people.
colion noir
If 400 million guns in this country, if we were a problem, you would know it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but...
colion noir
It's really that simple.
joe rogan
There's so many guns, right?
That's what's crazy.
There's more guns in people.
colion noir
And yet and still, we don't lead the world in gun deaths.
joe rogan
Who does?
colion noir
That's a good question.
I think we...
Because we came in like...
We were like right...
I think we're like at 12, number 12 or something like that.
unidentified
Really?
colion noir
Yeah, we're not.
joe rogan
I thought we were number one.
colion noir
No, we're not.
joe rogan
We need to work harder, boys.
colion noir
We're not.
joe rogan
We're number one.
colion noir
No, but even still, again, 65% of those are suicides.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And so I can hear people say all the time, they'll say, well, those suicides are more efficiently done because of guns.
So I was like, so what's the solution?
Bang guns.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make it harder to kill yourself?
colion noir
By banning guns.
But like I said at the beginning of this, the only logical conclusion is to ban guns.
jamie vernon
What's up?
United States is low if you're going per capita, but you take the top ten and you add them all up and it's not as many as it happened in the United States.
joe rogan
So we're number one.
jamie vernon
Number two behind Brazil.
colion noir
In terms of the actual total number?
jamie vernon
Total deaths, yeah.
colion noir
Total deaths.
Now what's the population of Brazil?
joe rogan
Brazil's got a lot of people.
Wow.
We're number one, number two by 14,000?
jamie vernon
But per 100,000, we're number 25, 20?
colion noir
Which I think is a more accurate assessment if you take into account the number.
What's the population of people in Brazil?
joe rogan
So per capita, we're number 20. Brazil has a lot of people.
Go back to the actual numbers again.
What are we at there?
This is of 2016. So there's 6,000-ish more in Brazil per year than the United States.
That's surprising.
But deaths per 100,000, they have 19, we have 10. That's a big jump.
It's almost double.
jamie vernon
There's way more people in India and they have way less.
joe rogan
Yeah, way more people, right?
They have like a billion people.
And then Mexico is surprisingly low.
Look at Mexico, that's really low.
I'm kind of shocked by that.
They have less than half of what we have.
Huh.
Interesting.
Deaths per 100,000.
colion noir
Are you talking about population?
joe rogan
No, the amount of deaths they have total.
colion noir
Yeah, but what's the population in Mexico?
joe rogan
Well, it says deaths per 100,000.
They have 11.8 deaths.
We have 10.6.
So wouldn't that make them more than us?
There's a total death.
colion noir
In terms of per capita.
joe rogan
Yeah, per capita they're higher.
colion noir
But as far as total numbers.
joe rogan
Bro, look at Venezuela.
38?
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Deaths per 100,000.
They have a lot more.
Holy shit, man.
jamie vernon
They're number one.
Or El Salvador.
El Salvador's 39. It's only 2,500 people died, just comparatively.
Still.
joe rogan
Super dangerous.
jamie vernon
13 in Greenland.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Yeah, but Greenland has a population of two people.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just killed each other and they jumped up to number one.
Yeah, it's...
Wow, Puerto Rico's that high on the list?
Go back up to that.
I'm going to have to call John Donahue.
jamie vernon
Why is it counted separately?
It's part of America.
joe rogan
Because it's not.
It is.
It is not America.
It's like, neither is Hawaii, you know?
I mean, Hawaii is America, but let's be honest, we stole that shit.
You know?
Not we, but somebody did.
It's five hours by plane in the middle of the ocean.
How the fuck is that America?
jamie vernon
It's true.
colion noir
It's kind of like all cities in Houston.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This chart is kind of surprising, seeing the death numbers.
That is surprising.
So number one all total deaths, though, is Brazil.
So we're number two for all total deaths.
But Brazil, I don't believe, has the same population as America.
What is Brazil's total population?
I want to say 100 million, rather.
That's my guess.
jamie vernon
211. 211?
colion noir
And we have 300 million?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Yeah.
Brazil's dangerous as fuck, though, in some areas, like the favelas.
You ever see City of God?
colion noir
Yes.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
What a crazy movie that is.
colion noir
In an eerily way, very beautiful at the same time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's a brilliant movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a brilliant movie.
Very much so.
Yeah, Brazil's got a strange situation.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
I mean, I think recently they just, I think the new president just kind of loosened the grip on the gun laws in Brazil.
But generally speaking, the gun laws in Brazil are very, very strict.
joe rogan
It is interesting that places with the highest gun laws in America are the places with the most amount of gun violence.
That's so strange.
colion noir
Well, I think because by and large, the attempted solution for the violence, because those places also have the highest concentrations of inner cities.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And so their solution for those things was always gun control.
And in response to it, it's always more gun control.
And if that doesn't work, add more gun control.
If that doesn't work, sprinkle a little bit more gun control.
And if that doesn't work, let's put just a little bit more gun control.
This time I promise this gun control will work.
And then it keeps happening, gun control.
Gun control, gun control, gun control.
That's the point that I'm making.
The answer was always going to be gun control.
joe rogan
So how did this last mass shooting that led to this call for getting rid of these stocks, these...
colion noir
It's a brace.
Pistol stabilizing brace, yeah.
joe rogan
Why did that...
Did that play a factor in that gun violence?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It wasn't a part of it at all?
colion noir
He had it on the gun.
joe rogan
Oh, he did?
colion noir
He did, but that didn't make him any more lethal.
joe rogan
It's just a random fact that he had that.
colion noir
Well, no, you can make it seem lethal because they did the same thing with bump stocks.
joe rogan
You know what's fucked up?
I don't even remember what the story was of this latest mass shooting.
colion noir
But here's the thing about it.
joe rogan
Was it because of Colorado?
Was it Boulder?
colion noir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
The one where Biden started calling for more gun control?
Was it Boulder?
colion noir
I think he used it as a catalyst.
I think he's already had these prepped.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
Because some of the things he was proposing have nothing to do with the shooting.
So from that standpoint, it's like he kind of used – like they don't ever let a tragedy go to waste.
Of course.
That's just – that's their MO. So from that perspective, it begs the question if – What is this here, Jeremy?
joe rogan
Biden said last month, following a mass shooting in Colorado, I don't need to wait another minute, let alone an hour, to take common sense steps that will save lives in the future.
He read that.
colion noir
Yeah, but his question, how long has he been in office?
joe rogan
Four months?
colion noir
Four months.
And how many executive actions or orders has he taken?
Did he take initially when he first got into office?
unidentified
I don't know.
colion noir
He did quite a few.
None of them were these.
joe rogan
What were they?
unidentified
Just a bunch of other executive orders that I didn't really pay attention to, honestly.
joe rogan
You just only pay attention to guns?
colion noir
No, I just was aware of them.
Do you know what's funny about that?
joe rogan
What?
colion noir
I purposely try to avoid paying attention to guns.
unidentified
Really?
colion noir
Because I've been doing it for so long and I do it so much.
joe rogan
It's overwhelming.
colion noir
Yeah, I got to step away sometimes because sometimes I think I get too close to it.
And so in order to kind of back away and make sure I keep my perspective and focus, I'll step away from it.
But the problem is, with respect to the gun stuff, too, that also means politics.
Because it always comes back around.
And so I have to add.
So honestly, within the last year, I've kind of stepped away further from politics.
And following the gun issues close, well, I got pulled back in when Spidey got elected.
But by and large, I try to minimize it just so that I can kind of recharge because it's heavy.
It's really heavy.
And then with social media, it's a constant bombardment with respect to, everyone's yelling at each other.
Everyone's yelling at each other.
And if you are someone who tries to make an attempt to be objective, yes, I have certain bias, but I still try to remain objective.
That takes a lot of work, especially when you have one side saying one thing, you have the other side saying one thing.
So I'll hear a side that I agree with say one thing, and then I'll hear someone else on the other side, and I have to literally grab myself by the neck and say, I know you want to believe this, but this makes sense.
And it could be anything down to a particular issue, a specific issue that's happened, or a complete policy.
And so that can get a little tiring, because you're constantly playing this balancing act, like, okay, am I being too biased?
Can I come back close to the center here?
Like, what's going on here?
Whereas if I was completely dogmatic in one direction, I would argue it's a little easier.
Now, somebody can make the argument, well, then that's what you are with guns.
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And to a degree, yes, only because every time I try to look at it objectively, I come back to the same answer.
I don't try to make myself come back to the same answer.
It's just the logic that's involved.
It's like, you can't tell me, like, for instance, take universal background checks, right?
People are like, oh, universal background checks, you should be fine, universal background checks.
I'm like, in theory, but in reality, what is a universal background check?
It's a law that says I can't have a gun and give it to you.
Who's going to stop me from doing that?
If they came out with a law right now and said, I can't sell you this gun right now that I have here, if I wanted to sell that to you, and they said it's legal for me to do that, who's going to stop me from doing that?
joe rogan
Well, Texas has an interesting perspective on that, right?
You just have to write a bill of sale.
colion noir
You don't have to write a bill of sale.
joe rogan
You just give it to me, right?
colion noir
As long as I know that you're not a prohibitive possessor, and you're a resident of Texas, I can sell you a gun.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's wild.
colion noir
I don't think so.
joe rogan
You don't have to go through an FFL or anything.
No.
Well, no, you don't think so because you're pro-gun.
colion noir
Well, here's the thing.
I can give you the reason why I don't think that's a problem.
So the reason why, one, I'm not in the business of selling firearms.
So this is my private property.
This is something I bought.
This is my personal property.
I can do it as I please.
If I want to sell it to you, I can sell it to you.
The idea of a universal background check is to regulate that transaction, is to say, well, no, you have to go get a background check to do this.
Now, the question then becomes, what's the big deal with that?
Well, one of the issues is it doesn't actually do anything.
Because if they made the law now and said, did you have to get a background check before I could sell you the gun and I just sold you the gun anyway, how would they know?
joe rogan
Yeah, how would they know?
colion noir
They wouldn't know.
joe rogan
Well, they would hope that you would obey the law.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
So they would hope that they would avoid at least some guns getting in the hands of some bad people.
colion noir
The problem is, one, we don't...
There's no track record that the vast majority of criminals are getting their firearms because of legal transactions where they didn't get a background check conducted.
However, we do have studies that show that the vast majority of criminals get their guns from the black market where they steal them.
Or they get them by way of straw purchases, which are illegal.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
So, from that perspective...
joe rogan
So, you're setting off your own...
colion noir
Yeah.
Well, it's yours anyway.
Oh, thank you.
Speaking of which, now you can keep all your guns in the...
joe rogan
I can't keep all my guns.
colion noir
Well, not all of them, but, you know, whenever you travel or you're at home and...
joe rogan
Yeah, no, this is dope.
And it's your own little...
colion noir
Yeah, so it's a new version.
Remember I gave you the one last time.
So people wanted a bigger version of the case.
joe rogan
It says, hashtag the pew pew life.
unidentified
Pew pew!
colion noir
You know what's funny about that thing?
So I made it.
I didn't make it, but the company who I collaborated with on it, it's more or less designed for travel, to travel with your firearms.
And so when I take it to the airport, I get so many questions about it from people.
They're like, wow, what is this?
And they're like, the pew-pew?
What does that mean?
And I'm like, oh, here we go.
joe rogan
Well, people don't like you making light, right?
You're making light of guns by going the pew-pew light.
It's kind of silly.
colion noir
For people who come across it...
Without knowing the genesis of the pew pew life.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
So what it is is that it's homage to our days when we were kids.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
Playing, you know, playing guns, playing pew pew.
joe rogan
But that's what I'm saying.
People look like you're making light of pew pew.
colion noir
Now we're adults.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And so now we have real guns to use to protect ourselves.
unidentified
Right.
colion noir
But then also it also doubles as an acronym for the people.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
Yeah, the PPL. So the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
joe rogan
I guess so, but it's spelled wrong.
colion noir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
P-E-W?
P-E-W?
Pew pew.
colion noir
T-U-P-E-W. Oh.
joe rogan
P-E-W.
Oh, okay.
I get it.
Okay, I get it.
Maybe.
It's pew pew.
You're talking about guns, man.
unidentified
Over here.
colion noir
For your ears, too.
So when you go shooting.
Those are my favorite over the ears.
unidentified
This is your favorite?
colion noir
Yeah.
They do a really good job.
With over the electronic ears, sometimes what you'll run into an issue is when the wind's blowing.
It makes it really hard to hear, even if you have the electronics on.
Those do a great job of mitigating that.
joe rogan
Why do my fucking Instagram keeps trying to sell me these in-ear buds that protect you with guns?
They're in-ear noise suppression guns or earbuds.
They can't be as good, right?
colion noir
Yeah, they can.
joe rogan
Really?
The ones that stick in your ear?
colion noir
Yeah, but I use double.
joe rogan
Oh.
colion noir
I double.
I double up.
Whenever I'm shooting a rifle, I used in-ear and over-the-ears with those.
joe rogan
Something big like a...
colion noir
Yeah, or just a rifle in general.
The reason why is because when you...
Not even necessarily that.
Just the AR. Because sometimes when you shoulder a rifle, the recoil can lift.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
So you have a backup.
colion noir
So now those, if you look, they have a little indention, which allows you to clear the stock, which will prevent that.
But in the event that it happens to happen without me...
Because you won't even realize it's happening most of the time.
joe rogan
And then you can get ear damage.
colion noir
You could.
It's possible.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
But then also, I have tinnitus.
Oh, you do?
Yeah.
So I go above and beyond to protect my hair with respect to shooting.
joe rogan
Did you get tinnitus from shooting?
colion noir
No.
I got tinnitus from all my clubbing days.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
colion noir
Really?
joe rogan
From loud music?
colion noir
Dude, I would come back and my ears would ring for three days straight.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
Yeah, yeah.
And then they'd be like...
joe rogan
So are these battery-powered?
colion noir
Yeah, they're battery-powered, yeah.
I don't think there's a battery in them yet, though.
There should be a battery in that box.
But yeah, those are my favorites.
And then, of course, I brought you an essential guns or essential hat.
joe rogan
If you walk around with this on, people will know that you're one of those.
colion noir
You know, I get a lot of people who message me...
It's great.
So the basis behind my brand is to serve as a kind of conversation starter.
So the never really, besides maybe, this is probably about as extreme as you get.
I will not comply.
Or, we did just come out with it.
Come and take it.
But by and large, the vast majority of it is designed to pique curiosity.
So like when I tell you I go to the airport with this and they go, what's the pew pew life?
It's a good catalyst to kind of have the conversation in a manner that doesn't start off as, oh, you're a pro-gun and I'm anti-gun.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Did you start this Pew Pew Life thing?
Is this all your invention?
Because I see Pew Pew or Pew Pew Life.
colion noir
Yeah, so what I did was I basically took, I mean, everybody was saying, I didn't do Pew Pew, right?
But to create a lifestyle around it and brand it, that's, yeah, that was me.
joe rogan
Now, we were talking before about whether or not, during the pandemic, when people started buying guns, if they relaxed any of the censorship that's on your channels or any of that.
Did any of that happen?
Or was it basically, it's been...
colion noir
Everybody I know that is in a gun space is shadow banned.
joe rogan
Shadow banned.
colion noir
Pretty much, yeah.
joe rogan
For sure?
colion noir
Yeah, I'm almost positive.
joe rogan
But...
Now, how does that work?
So if someone doesn't follow you, if they try to find you, they can't find you?
Jamie, do you follow him?
jamie vernon
On YouTube?
joe rogan
No, on Instagram.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
colion noir
Let's see if it happens now, because sometimes I run into an issue.
If I type my name up on Instagram, I have to type my entire name out before it'll pull up.
And then some people say it pulls right up, which would lead me to suspect that I'm shadowbanned.
joe rogan
When I tried to find you, I found you easy.
It pulled it up right away.
And that happens when a lot of people are complaining about being shadow bad.
colion noir
Here's the crazy thing.
jamie vernon
Yeah, he didn't come up when I typed in his first name.
colion noir
Yeah, and neither on my own goddamn phone.
jamie vernon
Which is very specific.
joe rogan
So mine came up right away.
colion noir
See, you're mine.
You still can't see mine at all.
joe rogan
So do you think they do it with some...
colion noir
That's what shadow banning is.
jamie vernon
You have to type the whole thing out for it to come up.
colion noir
For it to come up on Instagram.
You have to literally type my entire name out.
joe rogan
That's weird because with me, all I got is the C-O-L and it showed up right away.
colion noir
And keep in mind, if I type...
No, no.
My own page, it won't pull up.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
colion noir
Look, I have Coleon right now.
Nothing.
My car page will pull up.
But my gun page that has almost a million followers won't.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
You got one of them privacy shields in your phone.
colion noir
Oh, yeah.
My bad.
joe rogan
Oh, he's being sneaky.
colion noir
Good move.
unidentified
Very smart.
jamie vernon
There could be something to that, though.
But it could be a couple of things.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
The more you read about stuff and the more you see videos, like a lot of those Project Veritas videos where you see people getting busted when they do these secret videos.
Undercover videos.
They catch people talking about...
Look, man, you can nod your head all day, but that one on the CNN is pretty goddamn damning.
When that guy who's...
What was he?
A chief technical...
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
colion noir
But see, the weird thing is I posted that video in my group chat, and I was like, thoughts.
And I'm like, yeah, that's not surprising.
joe rogan
It's not surprising, but it's amazing to see it so blatant.
colion noir
I thought it was, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought it was amazing.
colion noir
But apparently, I was just being...
joe rogan
What is news now?
Is news propaganda?
Or is it just news?
jamie vernon
Is that surprising, the CNN information?
At least this story, this one in particular.
He's done other ones that are a little more surprising.
joe rogan
It is surprising how blatant that guy is describing it.
colion noir
Describing the way they went about it.
jamie vernon
If you went to someone from Fox News and took him on a Tinder date and he's trying to Look good in front of a girl and he's trying to say all the stuff they do, wouldn't he?
colion noir
Is that what it was?
jamie vernon
Was it a Tinder date?
That's what I heard it was.
There was like hidden cameras on a Tinder date.
unidentified
Oh, so...
jamie vernon
It tricked him to go on Tinder dates with chicks.
joe rogan
LOL. You fucking sap.
jamie vernon
That's why I'm like...
Wouldn't someone from Fox News or MSNBC say this similar stuff?
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
You work for CNN, you're on a date with a girl, and you're trying to impress her by telling her that you literally manipulate the news, and you create propaganda.
colion noir
Well, if she's a girl who's along the lines of that ideology, they'd be all for it.
jamie vernon
It depends on the situation, on how he gave this information.
colion noir
I've ruined a lot of interactions with girls by stating my ideologies.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
What?
You believe what?
You're allowing what?
You think it's okay to have what?
colion noir
I enjoy it.
joe rogan
How many guns?
How many guns?
You don't even know how many you have, right?
You're one of those guys?
Yeah, I don't know.
jamie vernon
That's just what I read happened.
I wasn't part of it.
joe rogan
That makes sense because he's kind of talking real open about it.
colion noir
In all fairness, my mind goes, okay, back when Obama was in office, If you got somebody from Fox and the same thing happened, would I be that surprised if they said something to the same degree?
joe rogan
See, the thing about Fox, though, is Fox is preaching to the choir.
There's a lot of fence riders that watch CNN because they thought they were getting unbiased information, and they're not.
colion noir
Which is why I stopped watching CNN. It's changed.
joe rogan
It's changed.
It used to be just the news, I think.
Maybe it's my perception's changed.
colion noir
The funny thing is, I'm like, oh, why is everybody not surprised by this?
But then at the same time, I'll say this.
They've gotten so blatant with their bias that it's like, it's almost, it's unwatchable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
So before I would literally just – I would watch CNN.
I would watch Fox.
And then I would avoid MSNBC like the plague because I felt that they were just – they were so biased and so blatant about it.
It was like just unwatchable.
Now CNN has crossed that line.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And they've become that.
So it's kind of like I can't even now – because really what you have to do these days is watch both sides and then come to your conclusion.
Right.
It's hard to do that now because the other side has gone so far.
Like what do I watch to get a more liberal perspective on my information that's not going to be so blatantly biased to the point of almost concocting scenarios and lying that – It's also like you see the people that they have who are their spokespeople, the people that are on television.
joe rogan
And you watch them talk and you're like, Jesus Christ.
You guys are like the weird liberal agents of propaganda.
They're not really news reporters.
There's not like a Walter Cronkite in the bunch.
jamie vernon
The former CIA director being like the talking head isn't a great look for CNN. I know.
joe rogan
It's crazy, right?
Isn't that weird?
colion noir
I mean, look at your homie Biden, who he just tried to...
joe rogan
He's not my homie.
jamie vernon
I know.
joe rogan
How dare you.
How dare you.
colion noir
The guy he wants to nominate to be the fucking director of the AFT. Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
You know, he's literally...
He sits...
He's literally part of a gun control lobby.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
colion noir
And he wants him to be the director of the AFT, a.k.a.
ATF. Yeah.
So...
It begs the question.
Like, I hate when people tell me, Biden's not anti-gun.
Are you fucking serious?
joe rogan
Well, he's also a knucklehead.
Like, his perspective on guns is so bizarre that you don't need an AR-15.
You need a double-barrel shotgun.
When someone's coming to your house, you shoot one in the air.
colion noir
Yeah, more people get killed by shotguns than they do with AR-15.
joe rogan
Well, it's also a dumb piece of advice.
Like, just get yourself a double-barrel shotgun.
colion noir
Yeah, I think that's right.
joe rogan
Do they?
colion noir
I believe so.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it's done.
colion noir
Put it like this.
It's either close or it's less.
But I do know more people get killed by hands and feet.
I know more people get stabbed to death.
So, I mean, it begs the question.
joe rogan
That's crazy that more people get killed by hands and feet.
Who's the lethal kung fu?
colion noir
By almost half.
joe rogan
That is nuts.
What are the numbers?
How many people get killed by hands and feet in the United States?
Take a guess, Jamie, before you say it.
Take a guess.
What do you think?
How many people get killed by hands and feet?
jamie vernon
Like 4,000 by hands and 10,000 by feet.
colion noir
No, it's lower than that.
joe rogan
More by feet?
No.
colion noir
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
Way more by hands.
It's hard to kill somebody with your feet.
colion noir
I think it's about 1,000.
joe rogan
1,000?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
By hands and feet?
colion noir
I think either stab, if I remember correctly, it might be 1,000 some odd for stabbing and then like, I can't remember.
What was the number?
I just know it was more.
joe rogan
More than stabbing.
jamie vernon
This is just the U.S., right?
Not world, correct?
joe rogan
Okay, I'm going to say 1,300 people get beaten to death per year.
That's my guess.
I'm just going out.
I have no information.
I'm just taking a wild one here.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find it.
joe rogan
What do you think, Jamie?
What did you guess, though?
jamie vernon
It's tough.
I'm not trying to think.
Like 5,000.
colion noir
Nah.
joe rogan
Just throw a number out.
colion noir
Nah, not even close.
joe rogan
Only it's that high.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's a couple of days.
joe rogan
Well, see, I feel like the big problem is people bouncing their heads off the ground.
That's when people die.
That's a lot of when people get knocked out and they fall and they hit their head and die.
colion noir
Yeah, I can imagine that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the big one.
And they would count that as hands and feet.
colion noir
Now more people die from falling down stairs.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
I'm sure that's the case.
colion noir
I did a video about that regarding Joe Biden.
joe rogan
Really?
colion noir
You know, when he fell down the stairs.
joe rogan
Oh my God, he fell up the stairs.
Three times.
What's weird is this...
Reluctance to admit that he's cognitively declining and that it's weird to have someone who's that old and frail and fragile mentally and cognitively as a president of the United States.
colion noir
Why would that be surprising to you?
Isn't somebody like that, wouldn't you be able to control somebody more like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not what's surprising.
What's surprising is the reluctance that people have who are left-wing people to admit that it's true.
colion noir
It's not reluctance.
It's hatred of the past president.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a little bit of that, but it's also a delusional perspective.
There's a delusional aspect to the way they communicate about it.
colion noir
I think if there was somebody else and not Trump, the lack of hatred would have allowed them to then acknowledge the mental deficiencies of Biden.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Well, the control thing makes sense that they went with Biden versus someone like Tulsi Gabbard, who they couldn't control, who is also left-wing, liberal, but also a veteran, also a congresswoman.
jamie vernon
I finally found a 2019 weapons used in murderers in the United States.
Put it up on the board.
660, but it says other weapons.
Personal weapons.
Hands, fists, and feet.
joe rogan
Hands, fists, and feet.
unidentified
I like how they call it personal weapons.
joe rogan
Because that's kneeing as well.
You can knee someone to death.
600 people every year get killed by hands, feet, and fists.
I like how they could...
Hands.
Who's getting bitch slapped to death?
Is it hands?
colion noir
I was wrong about the shotguns.
I thought I figured as much, but it was close.
So if you look at the rifles, we're at 364. Actually, I could be right, and here's why.
That includes every type of rifle, not just AR-15s.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, though.
Hold on a second.
Narcotics only kill 93 people a year?
Is that like murder?
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's murders.
joe rogan
Only 92 people get asphyxiated?
Blunt objects.
Hammers killed 397 people.
jamie vernon
It probably also goes into only half the murders every year are solved, so maybe double this.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Wow.
6,000 by handguns.
unidentified
That's a lot.
jamie vernon
And it also says firearms.
They don't know which kind of firearm here, so these could go up.
joe rogan
Yeah, who knows, right?
That's a lot that are not stated, 3,281.
But that's a crazy number of people getting killed just by people beating them to death.
600 every year.
It's low.
jamie vernon
Other weapons, like sticks?
joe rogan
Mm, sticks.
jamie vernon
Golf clubs?
joe rogan
Golf clubs, yeah.
Strangulation, 64. Oh, I was going to put that in the hands and feet.
jamie vernon
That's different.
joe rogan
That's what I was going to say about hands.
Strangulation.
jamie vernon
A couple more.
joe rogan
I wonder if it's like strangulation with solid technique.
jamie vernon
Other guns.
joe rogan
As long as they know what they're doing.
Drowning!
Wait a minute, go back down to drowning.
70 years, that's a dark way to kill somebody.
jamie vernon
Is there another gun besides a firearm?
joe rogan
Other guns?
Moskets?
colion noir
That is freaking weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, what is other guns?
Crossbow?
Is that another gun?
Too many people watch Walking Dead?
jamie vernon
Spear gun?
It's not a firearm, correct?
joe rogan
No.
I think a firearm has to have fire involved.
There's even other guns.
I always say a crossbow is just a shitty gun.
jamie vernon
Slayer gun?
joe rogan
People say, oh, I'm into archery.
I'm a bowman.
That was in the movie.
That got me angry when I was watching Walking Dead.
Oh, you're a bowman.
Bitch, you ain't a bowman.
colion noir
That used to piss me off.
joe rogan
That's a shitty gun.
colion noir
You're running around the zombie apocalypse with a fucking bow.
joe rogan
Yeah, not only that.
Crossbow is hard to reload.
When you reload a crossbow, you've got to put it on the ground.
You put your feet on it.
There's a thing at the bottom of a crossbow, especially a high-powered crossbow.
You put your feet in this thing, and then you pull on this motherfucker because it's like 100 pounds of pressure.
Then you lock it in place.
Then you put the ball.
It takes forever.
It takes so long.
Zombies are coming at you.
colion noir
That's what I was saying.
I did a whole video on it.
joe rogan
Not only that, how come it just goes through your head and it stops?
Like, why are you getting pass-throughs?
These people's heads are like melons.
They're all rotten.
unidentified
This is true.
jamie vernon
160-pound draw on his bow.
joe rogan
Whose bow?
jamie vernon
The bow he's got in the show.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
He found a sweet new striker crossbow in season three.
It's got 380 FPS and 160-pound draw.
joe rogan
Let me see.
Let me see what that looks like.
jamie vernon
Well, that's not a great picture of it.
joe rogan
Oh, you got a new one?
Meanwhile, who's fletching his fucking arrows and why does he have field tips on?
This is what drives me crazy.
He's got field tips.
He doesn't even have a fucking broadhead on that piece of shit.
This is nonsense.
One more reason why I got rid of that show.
Fuck off!
colion noir
Yeah, I haven't watched that show.
joe rogan
That show's murder porn.
You're just watching people beat each other to death with baseball bats.
Like, where are those zombies?
colion noir
I have a Negan bat.
joe rogan
You do?
With the barbed wire and shit?
Why?
unidentified
It's cool.
joe rogan
How many do you have?
Do you know how many of those you have, at least?
colion noir
One.
Somebody made a custom one for me with my logo on it.
unidentified
Okay.
It was pretty cool.
colion noir
I mean, I was a Walking Dead fan, so, you know.
joe rogan
I was a Walking Dead fan for season one, and then season two was pretty good, too.
But somewhere along the line, it just became murder porn.
When Negan came along...
colion noir
Yes, it did get...
Well, I mean, I think they had to keep upping the ante.
Because, I mean, they had so many seasons.
joe rogan
This thing would just put a hole in you like a pencil.
It wouldn't even kill you.
This is so stupid.
colion noir
Well, I think that's why it's specific for zombies.
jamie vernon
Yeah, you just gotta shoot them in the head.
joe rogan
But you don't.
Why?
jamie vernon
That's the rule.
joe rogan
This rule sucks.
unidentified
Silver bullets for werewolves and fucking garlic and crosses for vampires.
joe rogan
I know, but he points it at people, too.
If you pointed that thing at me, I'd let you shoot me in the hand and I'd fucking kill you.
It'd take you so long to reload that and I'd kill you with my other hand.
Fuck you with that stupid bow.
Oh, man.
I hate it.
It's so dumb.
colion noir
I hate it.
joe rogan
Daryl's crossbow is a secret name.
It's called piece of shit.
Your fucking field tips.
Why don't you have broadheads?
colion noir
Every time I would see him with a crossbow, I would just yell, we don't believe you.
joe rogan
But I'm telling you, those are a nightmare to reload.
You have to be strong as fuck, too.
colion noir
I did a whole video on crossbows.
joe rogan
Oh, did you really?
colion noir
And why it's such a stupid fucking thing to have during a zombie apocalypse.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What do you think is a good thing to have besides a gun?
colion noir
Besides a gun?
joe rogan
The lady with the samurai sword, that's the shit.
colion noir
Yes.
Something edge weapon.
You just gotta cut their heads off.
I need something to give me more leverage, so I'm thinking like a machete.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what?
unidentified
Something I can hack?
joe rogan
No, no.
You want a samurai sword.
She's right.
Because first of all, samurai sword, you can two-hand it.
That's what you want.
You want something you can two-hand because you could use technique and it won't wear you out as much.
colion noir
Okay.
joe rogan
And two, you want something that's going to really slice through shit.
A machete.
You're not going to get off people's heads with a machete.
colion noir
Yeah, but are you going to be able to keep the edge on a fucking samurai sword?
joe rogan
Yes!
colion noir
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, the steel is insane.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like such a well-crafted steel.
unidentified
Because I'm thinking- Sorry, Hanzo, if you got one of those, you're set.
colion noir
Or I'd go an axe.
joe rogan
An axe?
No.
colion noir
I've been on some Viking shit lately, so you gotta- That's a dope show.
joe rogan
That's a dope show.
My wife stopped watching with me because it got too violent.
She's like, I can't do this anymore.
colion noir
It was violent from the moment the show started.
joe rogan
I know, but after a while, it wears on you.
You know?
colion noir
It does.
joe rogan
I enjoyed that show.
colion noir
I loved it, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good show.
colion noir
I absolutely loved it.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a complicated show, too.
There's a lot of shit going on.
colion noir
No, and I think it was beautifully handled.
I really do.
joe rogan
And probably kind of similar to what it was really like back then.
colion noir
Yeah, I can imagine.
They're rough-ass people.
I don't understand everybody's fascination with fucking Athelstan.
I don't get it.
Everyone loves him, and I'm like, dude, pick a religion.
Pick one.
I've never seen someone bounce back and forth like a yo-yo.
Like, you're either going to believe in pagan gods or you're going to believe in Jesus.
Pick one.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And he just bounces back and forth and we're supposed to develop some sense of what for him.
That didn't bother me.
And everybody loves him.
joe rogan
I always felt like that's just a plot tool.
colion noir
No, it was.
I'm being a little- I get it.
Yeah.
But I still don't understand why everybody loved him so much.
What was it?
What is he like, a pet dog?
Because what did he really do?
He didn't do anything.
Except fuck over his own people and then fuck over the Vikings and then fuck over his own people again.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
I just, I'm fascinated by, I mean, I would love to go back in time and see what it must have been like to live back then.
When, you know, people really did, they were pretty lawless.
And the people that did have law, they were ruthless dictators.
And they controlled their people in a horrible way.
colion noir
Sounds familiar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's the other thing, right?
History repeats itself over and over again.
It repeats itself in patterns.
colion noir
I think a lot of people think we've progressed so far that we can't ever find ourselves back in a situation like that.
And I think that's completely wrong.
It is.
Like you said, history is circular.
Like, you can and you will, you can progress yourself into fucking tyranny.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people don't want to believe that, though, right?
Like, the thing about things like Nazi Germany, for example, is that it was less than 100 years ago.
It's so hard to imagine.
And we would like to say, well, we are so far past a leader like Stalin or Mao or Hitler, but...
No, we're still people.
And today, on Earth, in 2021, you still have Kim Jong-un running North Korea.
And he's a ruthless fucking dictator.
colion noir
Here's the funny thing about that.
They'll look at that and make a distinction in the fact that, well, no, we're America.
We have things like our Constitution, so forth and so on.
Yet, when we talk about protecting the very elements of the fucking Constitution, they say it's outdated.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
colion noir
Like, how do you rationally keep those two thoughts in your head at the same time?
joe rogan
And it's always the first two amendments, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one and two.
colion noir
Because they're the most powerful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
And people understand that.
And so they'll do everything in their power to undermine it and usurp it.
joe rogan
It's also those are the ones that come up the most and the ones that are the most discussed and debated.
You know, when you get down to, like, women's rights to vote, that doesn't get debated.
But all the amendments that, you know, First Amendment and Second Amendment, those are the ones that are always in the news.
colion noir
But, I mean, I think there's inherently going to be people who...
I think there are a lot of people who want to put their safety in the hands of someone else.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
They do.
colion noir
For sure.
And then I think there are a lot of people who are like, nah, I got it.
And then I think there are a lot of people who just look at it from a realistic perspective.
Yeah, sure, it'd be nice to have somebody who could actually protect me all the time.
But I understand that sometimes in reality that's not the case.
Therefore, I'm going to get what I need to get in order to protect myself in the moments that they can't.
joe rogan
Well, if you watch the situation like what happened in Minnesota with that kid where the cop thought she had a taser in her hand, it turns out she had a pistol and shot him.
I'm not putting my safety in that lady's hands.
colion noir
No, I wouldn't either.
joe rogan
There's not a fucking chance in hell.
And that's the problem with a lot of police departments or a lot of police officers.
You are not getting, again, I hate to use the example, but it's a great example.
You're not getting Navy SEALs.
You're getting people that are willing to take this job, and they probably don't know how to handle pressure, and they're not getting paid a lot of money, and they're putting themselves in extreme danger, and they're terrified, and they panic.
colion noir
I said that in my group chat.
My group chat is consistent of left, right.
It's pretty evenly spread.
I was just like, you'll be surprised of the dumb shit you'll do when put under pressure.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, panic.
colion noir
You'll be completely surprised.
Now, it doesn't justify it considering this is your job.
Right?
Doesn't make it acceptable.
joe rogan
No.
colion noir
But, I can, because there were some people who were saying, I can't see how anybody can make that mistake.
I can.
I can.
I've taken courses where I was put under artificial pressure and I've made dumb decisions.
joe rogan
Meaning like tactical courses?
Yeah.
colion noir
And so I can only imagine in a situation like that.
joe rogan
Dude, people make terrible decisions playing pool for money, right?
I used to play in a lot of tournaments and I used to do a little bit of gambling, nothing serious, but I've seen a lot of people gamble that were good pool players and You know, a couple hundred bucks, and you can't make a ball.
You're missing.
Easy shots.
It's just because of pressure.
Now imagine there's a kid, and he's got warrants, and you're telling him to stop, and he's not stopping, and you think you've got a taser in your hand.
You've got a gun, and you see the video, and she's like, I fucking shot him!
colion noir
And the thing about it, what a lot of people don't realize, too, is I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first time she ever drew her gun.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
colion noir
I know people don't realize a lot of cops go their entire career and never pull their gun.
joe rogan
And they don't have a lot of practice either.
It's not like they have to go to the range and prove proficiency over and over again.
I don't know who put this on their Instagram.
It might have been Snoop, but it was a real good point.
It might have been D.L. Hughley.
But it was a real good point.
It was like, people are saying that we need to look at this and cut her some slack because she was acting under pressure.
But yet they want citizens to remain calm when they're being pulled over by a cop with a gun in their face.
colion noir
It's a very good point.
I think that's a ridiculous notion.
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
No, I think she should be held to a higher standard.
If you ask me.
Because that's something that you volunteered yourself to be in this position.
joe rogan
I think people just think they can do it.
Someone tells you they can do it.
Do you want to be a cop?
Okay.
colion noir
But that speaks to maybe we need to really reevaluate the level of training that we're providing.
And even then...
Even then, you can train all day long.
joe rogan
Until the real shit happens.
colion noir
When it happens, it happens.
You don't know what you're going to do.
In the gun community, they say when the pressure's put on, you're going to resort to the lowest level of your training.
That's what they say.
joe rogan
Same thing with fighting.
It's the same exact thing.
It has to be instinctive.
You can't think in the middle of a crazy battle.
colion noir
You can't.
It really does have to be instinctive.
The idea of training, especially with shooting, is to make as much of what you do Instinctive, but I don't even have to think about it.
So it almost leaves room for you to process other information.
So you're not thinking about fine motor skills stuff.
Because the whole notion of her, the weight of the gun versus the weight of the, under an adrenaline dump.
joe rogan
You don't know what the fuck's going on.
colion noir
Weight is weight.
Weight is weight.
Now, what that means in the grand scheme of things, I don't know.
joe rogan
That's why we were talking earlier when I was saying I like a heavy rifle.
If I was hunting, I like a heavy rifle because under adrenaline, it feels light as fuck and everything is crazy.
It's the same thing with bows.
A lot of people with bows, they prefer to weigh their bow down.
They have like a heavy back bar, heavy stabilizing bar.
They like a heavy aluminum riser because when you're nervous, that bow feels like it weighs nothing.
Adrenaline is crazy, man.
colion noir
There's no regulating how much of it.
It's just, here you go!
joe rogan
And then you're drowning in it.
Your hands are shaking.
Have you ever seen someone that has been in a street fight and then afterwards their whole body is shaking and convulsing?
colion noir
So I, and there's a video of it, and I did a, what they do, a sim training.
Where you use fake gun rounds.
But they hurt like hell.
Like rubber bullets?
Essentially you can call them rubber bullets to a degree.
But you shoot them out of what looks like a real gun.
They're actually real guns.
They're just modified to shoot these rounds.
And so they put me through a series of scenarios that I had to deal with.
So like I'm in bed laying down and there's a gun on here.
And then the guys break into my room and I have to deal with the threat.
And then a bunch of different scenarios like that.
And so Maybe this speaks to me, but the same thing happened then when it happened when I went on the hunt.
I was super calm.
Like when it happened, it was just like boom, boom, boom, bang.
Soon as I was done, the adrenal dump.
And I was just like this.
joe rogan
Shaken.
Yeah.
colion noir
Because it's largely too because there was a so basically what happened is they escalated it.
They kind of ramped it up each time until it was full bore five guys kicking in the door coming into my room and tagging me.
These things hurt.
joe rogan
Oh Jesus.
colion noir
They hurt.
So literally I was in a corner balled up in a ball like this while they were shooting me.
joe rogan
Did you get welts all over your body afterwards?
colion noir
Yeah.
Yeah, and so that adrenaline dump is real.
It's real.
It's truly real.
joe rogan
Yeah, adrenaline is a strange thing.
And most people don't experience it in terms of a life and death situation, but once or maybe twice in their life, if ever.
colion noir
And I think there's something to be said too, because we talked about this in the group chat, with respect to even the guy in the car who tried to lead, Dante.
I believe Dante, right?
joe rogan
The young man that got killed?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that was his name.
Is that his name?
unidentified
I think so.
colion noir
Yeah, so there's something to be said about the adrenaline dump there, too.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
colion noir
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
100%.
He thinks he's going to jail.
joe rogan
He had a warrant for something ridiculous, too.
colion noir
He had a warrant for attempted aggravated robbery.
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
Oh, I thought it was something.
colion noir
There was a number of things flying around about what it was.
I think some people were saying it was...
I forgot what it was.
joe rogan
Some people were saying it was weed.
colion noir
No, it wasn't weed.
That's what he told his mom.
But that's not what it was.
It was for aggravated robbery.
joe rogan
That's the problem with one of these stories.
The word gets out in so many different versions of the truth.
It's hard to...
colion noir
I mean, there's something to be said about the irrelevance of it.
Because I take these situations and I kind of break them down to the moment.
And I look at it and I say, in this moment, what happens here?
And I think with the larger discourse revolving around this particular shooting, I think people forget two things can be true at once.
joe rogan
To me, it's insane that people who become police officers aren't very highly trained, they aren't tested on a regular basis, and they aren't paid very well, and you don't select the best of the best.
colion noir
We wouldn't have enough cops.
joe rogan
Well, we would have more cops if we paid more money, and then it would probably be more effective.
colion noir
So where's that money going?
unidentified
I don't know.
Where is it going?
colion noir
Because I can tell you what they're going to say now.
Well, then raise the taxes!
joe rogan
Yeah.
colion noir
You mean you don't have enough money with the money you're already taking from me?
joe rogan
It's all so crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's also crazy.
And then, you know, when you look at what California's doing, California just allows people to steal things now.
colion noir
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
You can get a steal up to $900.
So people are just stealing $800 worth of shit all day long.
And you don't even get arrested.
It's nuts.
colion noir
It's insane.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
Dude, someone sent me a video.
You want to see the most bizarre video I've ever seen of Venice Beach?
I'm going to send it to you.
jamie vernon
I probably saw it.
The cut thing together, like the fighting on the boardwalk.
joe rogan
Do you have that?
jamie vernon
The Street People Los Angeles page, I think, had it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you need to see it.
jamie vernon
It's just a bunch of crazy people over and over again, right?
joe rogan
I know, but it's the number of people that are out there with tents now that's so nuts.
It keeps escalating.
It keeps getting higher and higher and higher.
colion noir
I mean, what do they expect to happen?
I mean, I did several documentaries in Seattle and in San Francisco.
I was freaking blown away, dude.
jamie vernon
This fight video?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the one.
That's the one.
Go full screen on this because it's so crazy.
Go full screen and back it up to the beginning.
colion noir
Are you sure that's not Austin Cesar Chavez?
joe rogan
That ain't shit.
Look at this.
The numbers.
These guys are just crazy homeless people duking it out and hitting each other and stuff.
And look at that poor guy jogging.
But at nighttime, you've got these Mad Max style shanty towns and people are getting in street fights and But there's so many tents, man, on the beach, right there, where people used to go and used to be tourists, and now it's just crazy homeless people, and people doing drugs, and people fighting in the streets.
colion noir
Yeah, but you, I mean, the policies in these places...
joe rogan
Did that guy just shoot that guy?
colion noir
No, it was like mace or something.
jamie vernon
Or bear spray, or I don't know, who knows.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it is bear spray.
Yeah, he bear sprayed him.
colion noir
Oh, he just sprayed him again.
joe rogan
That guy's a dick.
Look at these homeless people beating each other up and shit.
But I mean, this is...
And look at that guy walking by, just all casual with his Starbucks.
Oh my god, you fuck.
Like, where's the humanity?
You could just watch somebody beat the shit out of somebody else while you were strolling by and the dogs getting involved.
colion noir
Would you have jumped into that?
joe rogan
Look, the dog's biting people.
jamie vernon
I wouldn't.
joe rogan
I wouldn't either.
Yeah, I'm talking shit.
I wouldn't have done anything.
You're right.
Look at this lady dragging this other person.
Dragged, pulled his pants off.
This is madness.
But this is what Venice Beach has become.
Venice Beach has become this horrific place that I don't see a way out of this.
I don't understand how they're going to turn that around.
And the only way you stop that in the beginning is to have law and order.
You have to have a healthy respect for law and order.
colion noir
What are they trying to do away with that though?
joe rogan
Los Angeles is trying to do away with it more than any place I've ever seen.
That crazy new district attorney that they hired that wants to get rid of the gang unit?
I don't want to be the guy who puts on the tinfoil hat.
But you hear about all these people that are George Soros funded, and you're like, what is that guy up to?
colion noir
That's a good question.
I've said this before.
I've said this on national television.
I think in a lot of ways they leveraged the violence to push the gun control agenda and to push further dependence on the government.
joe rogan
You think they let this happen?
They want this to happen?
colion noir
I don't think they let it happen.
I know they do.
joe rogan
So you think that there's a solution that they should have used to try to end the homelessness situation?
colion noir
I think when you purposely put policies in place that...
Enable it, then I think there's something to be said.
joe rogan
By letting people camp.
colion noir
Yeah, because I mean, think about it.
This stuff wasn't happening before, so why is it happening?
Unless you're enabling a certain behavior.
joe rogan
Well, one thing is because the economy collapsed during COVID, and a massive amount of people were out of work.
colion noir
No, it was like that.
I was doing documentaries in places like San Francisco.
This shit was happening then, too.
joe rogan
San Francisco was.
Yeah, that's true.
San Francisco was pretty bad, but it's way worse now.
colion noir
It is worse now, but I will say there's something to be said about...
I mean, it just...
joe rogan
Do you bring it all to gun control?
Is that your thing?
colion noir
No, no, no.
I wasn't going to do...
I use gun control as an analogy for a lot of things because I've studied it so much.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
So my mindset goes...
And so a lot of it just runs parallel to each other as well.
Because if you think about it, Although those people essentially are dependent on the government, if we really want to think about it, because they're allowing it to happen, and if anything, they have to depend on the government to allow them to continue to do those things.
Those people still vote.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
They can.
So...
Allowing them to do that further incentivizes them to do what they need to do.
So now from that perspective, from a political paradigm, you have this issue where, at least when I was in San Francisco, there's a whole economy around homelessness where people are getting fucking rich.
joe rogan
In what way?
colion noir
So, I was doing a series of interviews in San Francisco, and what ends up happening is you get all this money designated for helping homeless people, helping people on the streets, so forth and so on.
But then none of that money finds its way to the people.
Where is the money going?
And the guy I was talking to, he's like, people are basically lining up their pockets with that money because there's no accountability for what the money's doing.
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
And so within these places, since you are in a position, for instance, it's like, who's not going to allot money to create housing for people who don't have houses?
I mean, is that something that you would have a problem with?
joe rogan
Well, most people would say, well, it would be nice if they had houses, so let's a lot of money to house them.
colion noir
So let's earmark money off to do that and give it to these programs that are designed to do that.
joe rogan
And you feel good about yourself.
colion noir
Exactly.
And then they'll do the bare minimum they need to do, and then the rest of that money goes where?
joe rogan
Goes where?
That's a good question.
colion noir
So that's what I mean by it.
joe rogan
Do you know the situation in New York City with the missing money for mental health?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
That the mayor's wife was involved with?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
Go to John Joseph Cromag's Instagram page.
He's got a story about it.
It's pretty nuts.
There's a shit ton of money missing that they can't account for that the mayor's wife was involved in some sort of a mental health program.
I mean, they gave this program to We'll find out how much money, but it's a staggering amount of money.
And so there's an investigation.
Where is $850 million gone?
Bill de Blasio's wife can't account for a staggering amount of taxpayer money that the New York mayor gave her for a mental health project.
That's a spectacular amount of money that's missing.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
How does that work?
What do they do?
They wait until he's out of office and then they prosecute?
I mean, how does that work?
Wow.
jamie vernon
I was just looking.
Los Angeles had about a $430 million budget last year for homelessness.
Up from $429 million.
colion noir
Where is the money going?
joe rogan
Where's that money going?
So do you think that there's an industry in maintaining a large homeless presence so that they always have money that's allocated to deal with the homeless situation and that money gets filtered off?
colion noir
It'd be the perfect ruse.
I, as a politician, can say, I allotted this money for homelessness.
This is what I'm doing to help the homeless people.
And I create an organization, leaders of these organizations can then take that money and say, we're an organization that's helping the poor people.
And then they're like, do bare minimum.
And then just, the rest of the money just...
joe rogan
Let's say, think about this.
If it's $430 million and there's only 100,000 people that are homeless, just give them that money and those motherfuckers are rich.
You know what I mean?
I mean, stop and think about it.
Have you just gave those 100?
I mean, I suck at math, but what is that?
430 million, you give it to 100,000 people.
What is that?
I mean, they certainly have a lot of money.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's a lot.
There's a story here that they, after a 12% spike in homelessness, the city opened up 39 tiny houses as temporary homes.
joe rogan
Those 39 tiny houses cost $39,000.
colion noir
Exactly.
joe rogan
Where's the rest of that money?
jamie vernon
Yeah, for 66,400 people proposed.
colion noir
Wow.
joe rogan
But that's an amazing amount of money.
colion noir
Here's the crazy thing.
Here's the crazy thing.
jamie vernon
$7,500 each unit costs.
colion noir
You know what's funny about that?
jamie vernon
And somehow it costs $5 million to do that.
colion noir
I did a...
Wow.
joe rogan
Wait.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Each unit cost $7,500, but the total cost of the project ended up being $5 million, with money spent on water, power, and sewer lines at the site.
But meanwhile, they don't even use these things, and they become lawless shantytowns.
colion noir
No, no.
Here's a crazy thing.
I did a documentary about Seattle.
I was talking with this young lady.
So they had the same kind of shanty towns in Seattle for all of the drug users, you know, heroin acts and stuff like that.
You can't shoot up in those communities.
You have to do it outside of the community.
So what they do, they'll do all the drugs on the streets.
Then when they go into the shanty towns, they can't do drugs.
joe rogan
Is there a police in the shanty towns to stop them from doing it?
colion noir
I don't know how it works, but this is how she explained it to me.
And she's like, that's why you see all the needles that you see in Seattle that are all over the place.
Now, part of that, too, is, you know, the needle exchange program, so forth and so on.
That's a whole other conversation.
joe rogan
I'm looking at things in a different way now because I didn't know there was that much money that was allocated towards homelessness and really no benefit.
Now I'm thinking about it like a business.
I think you might be right.
jamie vernon
They got a state grant that goes towards Los Angeles that would go maybe to another part of the state.
joe rogan
But bro, that's so much money.
$430 million is so crazy that you can't do anything to fix it and it keeps getting worse.
So is there anything that's written about the scandal of the $430 million allocated towards homeless people in Los Angeles?
Where does that money go?
There should be a where...
jamie vernon
This is before pandemic.
An article from the LA Times in 2019. LA spent $619 million on homelessness last year.
joe rogan
What?!
unidentified
$619?
$619 million on homelessness?
joe rogan
Bro, what in the fuck is that?
jamie vernon
The report would show likely little to no progress.
joe rogan
But this is $619 million in a year in 2019 when there was no pandemic.
colion noir
So imagine what that...
unidentified
That is crazy.
colion noir
And we're printing money at this point.
So could you imagine what that's going to be in, what, 2022?
joe rogan
Look at this.
LA homeless housing costs have risen to 530...
Go to the top one.
$531,000 a unit.
$531,000.
For that, you could buy them a dope condo.
$531,000?
Oh, you haven't subscribed to LA Times?
Yeah, but you can get it in Silmar.
jamie vernon
Just push them out.
joe rogan
Give them a nice place to live.
Say, hey, you can live here.
You have a free condo.
A $500,000 condo.
colion noir
I mean, I guess there is something to be said about maintenance and so forth and so on.
joe rogan
But look at this!
LA's $1.2 billion bond measure to combat homelessness.
colion noir
You telling me no one's getting rich off of this?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
colion noir
Come on, now.
joe rogan
I didn't know.
I just thought there was no money for it.
I'm so naive.
jamie vernon
There's definitely money for it.
colion noir
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
They text people to high hell in California.
joe rogan
I know, but I just thought that it was allocated to other shit, like making sure that trans people have a good bathroom.
colion noir
I mean, I'm pretty sure that happens, too.
joe rogan
But that's nuts, man.
The amount of money that's involved in that is fucking bananas.
jamie vernon
I just found an article that says, like, where is the money going?
Let me see if that's interesting.
joe rogan
That's a crazy scam.
That's crazy.
colion noir
I remember when I was sitting there across from it and I was sitting and I'm looking around and I'm like, this is crazy.
We were actually interviewing people who lived on the street.
And they were telling us, they were like, and funny thing is she was like, even affordable housing was too high for her to afford.
jamie vernon
I do remember one part that, like, this is a part of the problem, is that when we were still living there, I remember there was like some area, maybe in Fresno or something, we've talked about before, there's like a big area where a camp did set, like, sort of start, and there was a lot of fighting then where they would have a proposed new place to be built, and then the area would just, like, all the residents would fight.
colion noir
I think there's something we're not accounting for, though, too, is the drug use.
A lot of it is mental issues being exacerbated by drug use, and then you have the drug use aspect of it as well.
I think there is something to be said about the deterioration if you did create a certain environment for people who are homeless to go and live.
That being said, where the fuck is the money going?
joe rogan
Where the fuck is the money going?
Dude, where the fuck is the money going?
I didn't know.
I feel like a fool.
Up until this point, I never took into account the possibility of massive corruption.
I feel like I thought about it in terms of like, what are you going to do?
You know, because in Austin, they have like 2,000 homeless people.
It ain't shit.
It's a lot.
colion noir
We think it's a lot.
joe rogan
We think it's a lot, but it ain't shit.
And, you know, they think it's a problem they can fix, and they actually have some ideas on the table to fix it.
They've got some plans.
colion noir
I will say this.
The one mitigating factor...
It's Texas heat.
joe rogan
That's true.
colion noir
That's a huge mitigating factor.
Yeah, that's true.
Because that, I mean, you'll die.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know what they did in El Paso?
They had it set up where they had an outside area and an inside area.
And the inside area was heated and cooled.
But you could go in the outside area, but you didn't have to be clean.
But if you wanted to go in the inside area, they had to drug test you and you couldn't use.
And so they gave people an incentive to clean up, which kind of makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
colion noir
I mean, I live in downtown Dallas, and so I live about a block or two away from a homeless shelter.
Jesus.
Yeah, I deal with it.
I mean, it's not anywhere near what you get with...
joe rogan
No, I've been.
I've been.
I was there last year.
It's a joke in comparison.
colion noir
Yeah, sure, I wake up in the morning sometimes, there's a guy standing out my front door yelling and screaming to himself, but by and large...
joe rogan
But you're in a Porsche Turbo, and you're like...
See you later, crazy man.
colion noir
I talk back sometimes.
joe rogan
Is there an article written on the corruption of the money that's gone to L.A. homelessness?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'm digging.
joe rogan
Oh, look at Jamie.
jamie vernon
It's talking about how L.A. is just a cesspool of fuckery.
unidentified
I mean, look at what they did with...
colion noir
What's the name of that damn street?
The one...
Skid Row.
Skid Street.
I mean, that was purposely designed.
joe rogan
They designed it, yeah.
Did you see that movie, the Netflix thing on the Cecil Hotel?
colion noir
I watched a summary of it.
joe rogan
There's a guy who's a historian on Skid Row, and the most fascinating thing about that thing about the Cecil Hotel was the historian explaining how...
Skid Row became Skid Row.
They just pushed all the crazy people.
colion noir
They just stay here.
joe rogan
And they wouldn't let them leave.
Like, they have it boxed off.
It's nuts, man.
colion noir
Like, they had it down.
unidentified
And it's been like that for a long time.
Down to the color of the lights in order to prevent you from leaving.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
Dude, when I lived in L.A., rather, when I was doing Fear Factor, we did it in downtown L.A. in the early 2000s.
Skid Row was wild then.
Wild, man.
It's just strange to think that there's no solution.
They're not trying to fix it.
It's strange to think that they want to keep the homeless situation that way because then they get hundreds of millions of dollars of your tax money every year and then they're raising taxes.
There's proposals to raise it up to 16%.
colion noir
I mean, if you think about it, it just funnels through itself.
It's a self-contained system.
joe rogan
But how do they expect people to stay there?
That's what's nuts.
colion noir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Why do they expect people to stay in Los Angeles?
colion noir
I didn't say they were good at what they did.
joe rogan
No.
Right, they just take it now, fuck the city.
colion noir
Let somebody else do that later when I get my money and I'm out of here.
joe rogan
You literally changed my perspective on the homeless situation.
I didn't think of it that way.
colion noir
So when I was with the NRA, right, when I was doing the programs that I was doing with the NRA, because I was always saying, why don't we get to the root of the issues?
Fix the root of the issues, right?
So we said, okay, this season what we're going to do is we're going to travel to different cities that are problematic and see if we can get to the root of the issues.
We went to Seattle, San Francisco, the Bay Area...
We went to Compton.
We went to Southside Chicago.
I mean, we went everywhere.
And for me, it was incredibly eye-opening.
When you're feet on the ground and you're seeing this shit in real time, you're like, oh...
Holy shit.
I mean, we were in South Central and they had a full shootout on the next street over while we were filming.
joe rogan
You heard it and everything?
colion noir
Dude, we got the hell out of Dodge.
I mean, I wasn't caring because it's LA. Not that I would just run over and say, who's over here and start shooting?
But there's something to be said about the fact that while we were filming about the underlying issues in this place, there was literally a shootout that happens the next street over.
We have to stop filming, jump in the truck and get the hell out of Dodge.
So, yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck.
I just never would have imagined that it's that much money that goes to homelessness and that there's actually a vested interest in keeping the problem and even maybe possibly making the problem worse so that there's more money and then they don't have to account for that money.
colion noir
Who's going to question you about allocating money for homelessness?
joe rogan
Right.
colion noir
No one.
joe rogan
And who's going to question you about where, like, is there a spreadsheet?
Like, did they have to show you a breakdown analysis of...
I wonder...
colion noir
I mean, look, the government is notorious with wasting money, and they're notorious with throwing money at solutions.
Like, even within my brand, I have a design called Defund Gun Control, right?
Because people undervalue the amount of money that goes into gun control.
Like, you have places like Maryland.
Maryland in, like, I forgot, it was like 2016, I think, they implemented what they call micro-stamping.
Micro-stamping was their new, hot and fancy way of marking firearms.
Like, you have micro-stamping in California right now with guns.
You have to have a certain type of designator on the firing pin of a particular gun.
And it's a claim that's going to be utilized to stop crime, to be able to solve crimes and so forth and so on.
Fifteen million dollars later, guess how many crimes it solved?
joe rogan
Zero.
colion noir
Fifteen million dollars.
Just like that.
joe rogan
And they don't have to account for that.
So there's no one that says, hey...
colion noir
Because it's about gun safety.
joe rogan
So because it's about gun safety, it's a protected class.
colion noir
Then who's going to question it?
They're very good with language.
Very good with language.
That's why it went from gun control to reasonable gun control to...
Gun safety.
joe rogan
Gun safety.
colion noir
There's a progression.
And Nancy Pelosi is on record saying this.
Really?
Yes!
I forgot she was talking to a bunch of college students.
She was like, you know, they changed the name, they stopped saying gun control, and they started saying gun safety.
Because you can sell gun safety.
You can't sell gun control as well, because what does that designate?
It's control!
joe rogan
Do you hear what she said about the Capitol Hill rioters?
colion noir
No.
joe rogan
She would have fought them off?
colion noir
With what?
Her ice cream?
joe rogan
Headbutts.
She'd take that numb head.
She can't feel shit.
All that Botox in her forehead, she would just fucking thump.
colion noir
I didn't realize she was that rich.
joe rogan
Oh, she's so rich.
It doesn't make any sense.
How'd you make that money?
colion noir
Who wrote it?
joe rogan
Where'd you get that money?
You're a public servant.
Where are you getting that money?
unidentified
I'm not going to count people's pockets, but damn.
colion noir
Like, she's loaded.
joe rogan
Hundreds of millions, right?
colion noir
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
Where'd you get that money?
jamie vernon
A bunch of stuff with her.
Taxes this week, too.
Like, a million dollars on Roblox.
That game.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
She spent a million dollars on Roblox?
jamie vernon
What?
Yeah.
colion noir
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Bro, my 10-year-old plays that game.
That game is stupid as fuck.
jamie vernon
Speculation, like stock speculation.
joe rogan
Great for a 10-year-old.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
colion noir
What?
joe rogan
Stock speculation?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, well, Roblox makes a fuckload of money.
jamie vernon
There was something that happened too this week where Microsoft got a huge contract and she put some money in Microsoft and they were like, if she did this, like insider trading guys.
joe rogan
Oh, I did see that, yeah.
She seems immune to all that stuff for some strange reason.
She's very Teflon.
Because she should have...
That fucking whole beauty salon thing should have taken her down.
She's like, I think it was the setup.
unidentified
They set me up.
It was the setup.
joe rogan
The setup?
You didn't have a fucking mask on.
You know you're supposed to wear a mask.
You know the beauty salons are closed.
You know how I know you know?
Because I know, and I don't have any fucking hair.
You're a goddamn lawmaker and you didn't know that they were closed?
unidentified
It was a setup.
joe rogan
They set me up.
I think they should apologize.
unidentified
It was a setup.
I would have fought those Capitol Hill people off of my head.
joe rogan
What?
What are you talking about?
I would have taken my clothes off and run out of them.
Like, what?
What are you doing, lady?
She's got so much power.
colion noir
Dude, it's crazy, man.
joe rogan
And you know what?
It's like, for someone to fight that, you would have to get involved in politics so deeply.
You would have to become an elected official.
You'd have to get to Capitol Hill.
colion noir
That's assuming you get that far without being corrupted.
joe rogan
Right, and you'd have to get into that system.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
What a mess.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to compare LA's homeless problem to, let's say, New York.
They spend, it says, up from 2014 to 2019, $3.2 billion.
And there they have to provide a place.
joe rogan
$3 billion?
jamie vernon
And their numbers haven't gone down and it's still around 60,000 in the city?
joe rogan
They still haven't gone down!
There's 60,000 people in New York City that are homeless?
Jesus Christ.
colion noir
Oh my God.
joe rogan
It's a scam.
It has to be a scam.
It has to be.
jamie vernon
So it's grown over 10,000 since de Blasio took over?
joe rogan
De Blasio.
God damn, these people are gross.
jamie vernon
It says, a little known fact that the city of New York is legally obliged to provide housing for those without it.
But with the explosion of the city's homelessness population, you'd be forgiven for not knowing that.
joe rogan
How crazy is that money missing, though?
colion noir
That's bananas.
joe rogan
$820 million.
That's so much money!
God!
Even if you just took 10% of that.
82 million just sitting around.
Where'd it go?
Somewhere, whatever.
colion noir
I had a dead set policy about getting into running for office.
I think I might change that now.
joe rogan
I know, right?
colion noir
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
1% of that.
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
1% you got 8 million bucks.
1% is missing.
Whatever, whatever.
It's 1%.
What's 1%?
Why are you being so picky?
colion noir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm trying to stop.
What am I trying to stop?
Mental health-ness.
Mental health problems.
God, so we just...
And you know what, man?
It's like, who is going to fix us?
Who's going to help us?
Who's going to change anything?
Nobody.
There's no one on the horizon.
colion noir
I'm at a loss.
joe rogan
I'm at a loss, too.
And that's why we all need guns.
Bring it back around.
jamie vernon
Same thing in this city, too.
Not as much, but...
joe rogan
In Austin?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much in Austin?
jamie vernon
It says the city of Austin devoted $73.4 million in taxpayer funding and they've only spent 57% of it.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Millions yet...
What does it say?
Millions yet to be spent in the city of Austin funding for the homeless?
Wow.
colion noir
Good Lord.
joe rogan
That doesn't scare me as much though, but there's not that many people here.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's way less people here.
joe rogan
Way less.
Fuck, man.
We're gonna have to move to Montana where people freeze to death if they try to be homeless?
jamie vernon
Mars.
joe rogan
Mars, yeah.
Elon's gonna ship the homeless people to Mars.
Imagine if they're the first people to go to Mars.
Yeah, give them free housing on Mars.
You can live inside the dome.
Dude, this podcast is very important because you literally changed my opinion about homelessness.
I didn't think there was any money being allocated towards homelessness.
I looked at what was going on in LA and I was like, well clearly they don't have any money.
That's what I thought.
The fact that there's hundreds of millions of dollars.
colion noir
The way you are right now was the way I was when I was doing that documentary.
I was like, what?
joe rogan
I can't believe it.
I really can't believe it.
I can't believe how naive I am, too.
That I just thought it was just a money problem.
I'm like, well, maybe if we got more money, they would fix it.
No, it's a goddamn pilfering scheme.
colion noir
Yeah, it's perfect, too.
joe rogan
It's a Bernie Madoff, is what it is.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh, no, you wound?
jamie vernon
Let's see if this is correct.
joe rogan
What do you got?
jamie vernon
I'm reading through lamer.org.
So this is, you know, it sounds pretty official.
How LA is responding to this thing from Mayor Garcetti's office.
Five years ago, less than $20 million in the city budget was earmarked for homelessness.
Since then, it's gone up to $460 million.
joe rogan
And five years ago, there was no homeless people.
It was so small in comparison.
jamie vernon
So there's more and more money involved in it.
joe rogan
Mayor Garcetti also pushed for state funding to help accelerate the work of ending the homelessness crisis.
A successful effort that resulted in an additional $166 million in state funding in 2018 and $270 million in 2019 to Los Angeles for homelessness services and housing.
jamie vernon
Of which there is not much.
joe rogan
Which, there's not much homelessness service in housing, and the numbers of homeless people, more importantly, have radically increased.
Wow, it's an industry.
There's a homeless money industry.
And the more homeless people there are, the more money they can get to conquer the homeless problem.
What a fucking bummer way to end this podcast.
colion noir
Funneling money into the bank.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
colion noir
That's why we need more guns.
joe rogan
It is.
But it does seem like that really is what's going on.
I mean, otherwise, how else could it be that bad?
colion noir
It doesn't make any sense.
Any human being can look at that and say that something's not right here.
joe rogan
So what was the number 400 and what million this year?
60. Okay.
Divide 460 million by 100,000.
Let's just say 100,000.
Let's pretend.
jamie vernon
Well, that's 460,000 then.
You just take off those three zeros.
joe rogan
Oh.
So that's 460,000 a person for every homeless person.
unidentified
That's right.
jamie vernon
Let me do it again.
joe rogan
That can't be right.
jamie vernon
I can't simplify it that easy.
60,000, 1, 2, 3, divide it by, maybe it's all the zeros.
unidentified
1, 2, 3. 46,000?
jamie vernon
Yeah, 4,600.
Yeah, take off all this stuff.
joe rogan
4,600 per person?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I was doing, I missed 3 zeros there.
4,600, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Boy, you're way off.
jamie vernon
Well, I'm trying to do it quick.
I'm typing and doing things.
joe rogan
That's terrible.
Meanwhile, I couldn't do it either.
No, 4,600 is nothing.
unidentified
4,600.
joe rogan
That's nothing.
jamie vernon
That's nothing.
That's 100,000.
And you get back to 460 million.
Wow, that's 4,600.
joe rogan
4,600 per person ain't shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They ain't going to fix that.
jamie vernon
They have a proposed thing in here to- For a trillion dollars.
To subsidize.
joe rogan
Give every homeless person a ursus.
jamie vernon
They're going to use $800 million to subsidize rent for 18 months.
That's one plan.
And then once that 18 months is up- You kill them.
Then they have to pay for rent, I guess.
joe rogan
Good luck.
colion noir
I think the biggest problem is the biggest driver of the homelessness is drugs.
joe rogan
Yes, and mental illness, for sure.
Drugs and mental illness.
But they go hand in hand.
colion noir
Pretty much.
joe rogan
Sad.
Motherfucker.
That's crazy.
This whole thing is not...
And here's the thing.
What do you do to fix it?
You round them up and put them in jail?
What do you do?
colion noir
That's a good point.
joe rogan
There's nothing you can do.
And the way they've allowed it to spread and people are moving out of Venice in droves.
Venice is crazy because Venice used to be bulletproof.
You could always buy a home there in Venice and it would always be worth...
A good investment, but not anymore.
colion noir
Wow.
joe rogan
I have friends who live in Venice.
They're trying to get out.
They can't sell their house.
They're like, people used to be able to sell houses easy in Venice, and now people are just selling everything.
It's like, we're getting out.
colion noir
Wow.
joe rogan
And this is not that long ago.
I think Google started moving into Venice just a few years ago, and then housing went way up, and everybody who lived there was really pumped.
They were like, dude, it's a great place to live now for an investment.
I'm selling my house.
colion noir
I mean, last time I was in Venice, I was like, this place is weird as fuck.
unidentified
It's weird as fuck.
joe rogan
It's weird as fuck.
Well, that's where my favorite restaurant is.
There's a place called Felix on Abbot Kinney.
It's fucking amazing.
Shout out to Janet and Evan.
The people who own and the head chef there, it's incredible, but it's in a shithole.
It's like, you know, the place is, you're driving around there, man.
It's just all these weirdos and sketchy people and like walk quick, walk quick, get to the restaurant.
You know, like you park your car and you're like, I hope it's here when we get back.
And if it's not, guess what?
Nobody gives a shit.
And if somebody breaks into your car, don't even bother calling the police because unless they did more than $900 worth of damage.
colion noir
Yeah, they're allowed to.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
Like, People are breaking into cars and just stealing their shit.
Stealing people's grills out of their backyard.
jamie vernon
I haven't heard, because we haven't run out there, is there a hard line between Santa Monica and Venice now?
And you can tell?
joe rogan
No, there's a lot of homelessness in Santa Monica.
A lot.
I saw a lot last time I was there.
jamie vernon
Because I haven't been there in a while and I kind of forgot how close they are.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're close.
They're right next to each other.
Malibu is trying to do something about it.
That's where you get the Richie Riches.
They stop people from parking their caravans on the PCH. People that have those camper vans that they live in.
colion noir
Where the hell do they get those things?
joe rogan
I don't know, man, but there's a lot of them.
That's like classy homeless people.
They're homeless but they can drive around.
colion noir
Those are people who've made a lifestyle out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they've committed.
But I mean, you can live like that and you're kind of still living.
A lot of those things have potable water, you can take a shower.
You know, it's like you're kind of alive.
You just don't have an apartment.
It's better than...
colion noir
But I mean, you think about it though.
If your sole purpose is to get high...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
colion noir
All you need is bare minimums and then get high.
That's your revolving life.
joe rogan
And you don't even really have to drive it.
You just have to park it somewhere.
And if they're allowing you to park on a lot of these streets and keep it there, you got an apartment.
You can lock it and then you leave and everything.
Fuck, dude.
Is there a way to cheer me up before we wrap this up?
colion noir
You go shoot.
joe rogan
I wish I could.
I've got things to do, man.
I've got to get my kids.
Today's a rough day for that.
unidentified
No, no, you're good.
joe rogan
But we'll do it another day, for sure.
Yeah, we should go to the range, but we should go outside.
colion noir
No, I prefer shooting outside.
joe rogan
I know you took Shaub to one of them tactical courses with all the tires and stuff.
Where's that?
colion noir
Is that in Dallas?
That's in Dallas, yeah.
That's TVSA in Ferris, Texas.
joe rogan
Well, next time I do a gig in Dallas, I'll come a day early and take me to that and we'll make a video and have some fun.
colion noir
Yeah, we can do that for sure.
joe rogan
Well, listen, man, I appreciate that you're out there.
You're a very important voice.
You're a voice of reason and understanding and logic and information, and you know what the fuck you're talking about.
And in this world, that's a rare thing.
colion noir
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
And thank you.
colion noir
I'll keep at it.
Hopefully I'll stop reading the comments.
joe rogan
Definitely stop reading the comments.
colion noir
I'll read the comments.
joe rogan
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate you, man.
Thank you very much.
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