April 15, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Okay, hello Katie How are you? | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| Not much. | ||
| Not much at all? | ||
| This is very uneventful for you. | ||
| It's funny that you're nervous to do this, but yet you're not nervous to row a boat. | ||
| Well, you might have been nervous. | ||
| Were you nervous to row across the Atlantic? | ||
| I definitely was nervous, and I think that is a good thing to be able to channel that energy to make sure bad things don't happen, but that was definitely more my comfort zone than doing something like this. | ||
| Is that the craziest thing you've ever done, right? | ||
| I shouldn't say obviously. | ||
| Well I think that like the last endurance challenge it was like running 33 hours straight and I think that hit my physical limit more than the row did like after the row I felt like my body could probably continue going but it was just yeah more mentally challenging. | ||
| How did you get started doing these kind of things? | ||
| So I would definitely consider myself more like an accidental adventurer. | ||
| So I had to take a gym class to get my high school diploma. | ||
| And through process of elimination, I wanted to find like the easiest A because at that point I was like a bench warmer and I didn't really excel in those team sports. | ||
| The Easy A was a walking running class, and I signed up just trying to do the bare minimum, and it was during that class where I was like, okay, I'm already forced to be here. | ||
| I might as well try to run, and I set that target of running one mile straight. | ||
| And I never thought I could do that. | ||
| And so when I did run one mile straight, it was probably equivalent to people who run a marathon, you know? | ||
| Just feeling like really elated and that's the seed that planted all the adventures to come. | ||
| It's really just that one mile and realizing that I was limiting myself by what what I thought was possible and one mile turned into two, two into three and that was really how I did my first marathon and every every event was like started from really that place that one mile. | ||
| So you were sort of an athletic underachiever or a not interested in athletics person? | ||
| So, in middle school, I, like most people, did all the sports, all the team sports, and the focus was like, oh, hey, let's hang out, let's make friends. | ||
| And my priority was definitely just hanging out with friends. | ||
| I didn't have that competitive sense about it. | ||
| And once it got too competitive, I kind of checked out because I was like, why are you guys making a big deal about this? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like... | ||
| You see it when the parents are more invested and you're like, settle down. | ||
| So when it became stressful and not fun, that's when I checked out and I didn't really have interest in that. | ||
| And so when it became my own, when it became something that was very internally driven and not... | ||
| Anything other than the pure curiosity. | ||
| I would say that people who do athletic things, they could be driven by many things. | ||
| And I would say at the core, one of the driving factors is just a kid-like wonder of, can I climb a tree? | ||
| Can I do this? | ||
| Can I do that? | ||
| And I think curiosity is very underrated in that it could really propel you to see what's possible. | ||
| Curiosity time and time and again has like brought me to do things that I never imagined doing. | ||
| Do you still think back to that first mile like completing that first mile and that elation the feeling of elation where you were like oh my god like a new doors opened. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Like, some of my friends, now that, like, I'm more in ultra running, it's like, we'll hear ourselves. | ||
| I mean, I'm not exempt from this, but saying things like, oh, it's just a mile or just five mile or just a marathon or just whatever you want to adjust it. | ||
| But, like, I still don't feel like I've lost sight of that because, I mean, I know this is kind of harsh, but, like, sometimes I say to my friends, like, well, tell that to someone who can't walk. | ||
| Like, It really is worthy of celebrating every step, every mile. | ||
| And so, I mean, yeah, I think there's like... | ||
| It's just one achievement opens the door to other ones and so yeah I definitely don't feel like I've lost that sense and I think that's important to keep just so I don't know it keeps you in that humble state rather than expecting that just because you did it you can. | ||
| Yeah, it really is interesting how people are limited by their previous experiences and what they've sort of established as their boundaries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you see them expand past those boundaries and it changes them. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It changes who you are. | ||
| I mean, like, one of the things that I'll get now is, like... | ||
| Oh, I could never run a marathon. | ||
| And my first thing is like, oh, which ones have you tried? | ||
| And of course they're like, no, I've never tried. | ||
| And I'm like, well, there you go. | ||
| You actually have to try. | ||
| And if you haven't tried, then you really don't know if that's truthful that you can't run a marathon. | ||
| So, yeah, I think we get in our own ways more than than anything else. | ||
| And I'm not saying like you know there it was my first mile running was very like not graceful it was like basically I was like I want to get this over with as fast as possible so I was completely winded I didn't know how to pace myself and like I don't know the whole like reason behind it but it's like you have that metal mouth you know about that yeah it's like when something I don't do you know the science behind that | ||
| I don't. | ||
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But I know it's like there's like a metallic thing in your mouth. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, it almost tastes – and it's because like you're pushing almost like too hard and it's like bursting something in your lungs. | ||
| But yeah, so clearly – Really? | ||
| It's bursting something in your lungs? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Maybe it's blood? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because blood does have sort of a metallic copper-like taste to it? | ||
| Anyways, I didn't know how to pace myself because stuff like that would happen and be like, oh, okay. | ||
| So you went too hard too fast. | ||
| Yeah, and that's not what endurance is about, so... | ||
| No, it's about steady. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Yeah, like understanding aerobic and anaerobic and just basically being able to talk the whole time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you start off with this first mile, and then you eventually work your way up to all these challenges. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| And then eventually you decide, I am going to row across the Atlantic Ocean by myself. | ||
| Yeah, so, okay, so the row. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was on a bus, right? | ||
| And I was like talking to someone sitting next to me. | ||
| And we were talking about endurance challenges. | ||
| And I was a stubborn know-it-all 19 year old. | ||
| So of course, I was like, Oh, I've heard it all. | ||
| I know people climb Mount Everest. | ||
| I know people sail around the world. | ||
| I know about all these things and Then he mentioned his friend rode across the Atlantic, and that was, like, that just stopped me in my tracks. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Like, people can do that? | ||
| Like, I never, it was so far beyond anything I ever imagined. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| I think, like, with endurance, what's so cool about endurance is, like, at a certain point, everyone's body hurts, right? | ||
| So what makes endurance, like, a really cool experience is seeing how the human will and how, like, determination, how a strong mind, like, it's a requirement because everyone, no matter how fast or slow you are, is going through that mental wall. | ||
| And so, yeah, I found out about ocean rowing, and I was really captivated not only by that mental component, because, like, if you do a marathon, you go home, you take your shower, you have people cheering you on, but ocean rowing, you're stripped raw of that. | ||
| And something about that... | ||
| Was intriguing to me because it's like, okay, how can you dig deep internally when you don't have the, you know, the finish line, you know, whatever party and like the swag and the people and the nice cozy bed. | ||
| And I just kind of I liked that idea of like, being so stripped raw that you have to dig deeper than you ever would, if you didn't have all those other externals. | ||
| So yeah, I found out about it on a bus. | ||
| I went home and went and Googled everything I could about ocean rowing. | ||
| And it was at a time where I did my first ultramarathon. | ||
| So it was like a hundred kilometer run. | ||
| We're 62 miles. | ||
| And it was, again, one of those moments where I was like, I never thought I could do that. | ||
| And my body proved otherwise. | ||
| So what are all the other things that I'm saying I can't do, but maybe I can? | ||
| So it was really that information. | ||
| At that particular time, where I was really open to the idea of, wow, maybe it is possible, but it was a matter of researching everything. | ||
| It wasn't like, oh, I got to do this. | ||
| It was, oh, I got to find out everything. | ||
| Because, I mean, if someone told you someone rode across the Atlantic, wouldn't the first thing be like, is that really true? | ||
| So, I mean, that was the first place I looked. | ||
| Are people legitimately doing that? | ||
| How much time was it between you finding out about it and you actually doing it? | ||
| Two years. | ||
| That's not that long. | ||
| No. | ||
| What kind of training did you do? | ||
| So, like, physical training, like, compared to doing, like, I've trained for, like, Ironmans and then trained for adventures, like, purely physical to, like, these more adventure-type things. | ||
| And, like, training for an Ironman, 90% is, like, what you're doing in the gym. | ||
| For ocean rowing and for the more adventure-type athletic pursuits, I would say that 90% was the logistics. | ||
| You could be the most fit person in the world, but if you don't have a boat, what does it matter? | ||
| So I spent most of my time just sorting out through all the logistics, the sponsorship, getting the gear, training with the gear, but... | ||
| Yeah, like my training priorities for rowing and ocean were injury prevention. | ||
| So I did a lot with like strengthening my core and my lower back. | ||
| And then on the weekends is when I would do like a six to eight hour row, training row, just to get more, to get used to the boat and the equipment more than anything else. | ||
| And you would go on a lake? | ||
| Lake Erie, yeah. | ||
| Now, how fast do you go on this boat? | ||
| Maybe I would go like 30 miles a day? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| How fast per hour? | ||
| Two or three miles. | ||
| Two or three miles per hour. | ||
| So basically like the speed of walking. | ||
| Yeah, so my boat was a 19-foot rowboat. | ||
| It was like 400 pounds, but once it was fully loaded, it was a thousand pounds. | ||
| So it did have like a sliding seat. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| I had a sliding seat, so that meant that, like, my legs and my back were the main source of, like, power, but I think the best, like... | ||
| You mean a sliding seat like a rowing machine? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, like... | ||
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So that helps you? | |
| It means that the power was coming from the most powerful parts of my body, not my arms. | ||
| So some people assume like, oh, it's just your upper body, it's just your arms. | ||
| But in fact, it's more your legs and back. | ||
| So this thing's going two or three miles an hour. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And how many miles is the Atlantic Ocean? | ||
| How many miles across? | ||
| 3,000. | ||
| Yeah, 3,000. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Don't think about it. | ||
| Just don't even think about it. | ||
| Oh my God, that's so far. | ||
| That's so far. | ||
| It was the worst reaching the halfway point just because like... | ||
| How long did it take you the whole trip? | ||
| 70 days. | ||
| 70 days. | ||
| That's not that bad when you think about it, how far you went. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| Yeah, I anticipated it would be 70 or 100 days. | ||
| Oh my god, that's a big gap. | ||
| I had 30 days of extra food. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was anybody monitoring you? | ||
| I had like a tracker so people could like look online and see where I was. | ||
| But there wasn't like a follow boat or anything like that. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| What are those nights like? | ||
| It was pretty amazing, yeah. | ||
| So of course the stars were amazing, like shooting stars and just like, yeah, breathtaking. | ||
| And then what surprised me, like I thought it was like, wait, is this real? | ||
| Am I hallucinating? | ||
| But I think the most stunning part was actually looking in the water because they had like this type of glowing plankton. | ||
| So it was like a phosphorescence. | ||
| Sometimes I would see things glowing in the distance, and then all around my boat, anytime my oar hit the water, I would see all of that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was so busy planning the trip and the logistics that I didn't know what wildlife I'd see. | ||
| So that was definitely a pleasant surprise to see that. | ||
| That must have been really crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever seen... | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I've seen it on video. | ||
| See if you can find a video of it. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| It's bioluminescence, but there are, like, Puerto Rico is probably the closest place to here that has really good bioluminescence, too. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it really looked like that? | ||
| Yeah, around my boat, yes. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Very trippy. | ||
| That is so wild. | ||
| Wow, look at that. | ||
| So I could put my hand in the water and... | ||
| Did you take any photos or film anything? | ||
| I did have some film and... | ||
| Of this? | ||
| Sometimes I... No, like you can't really take good... | ||
| I mean, yeah, I didn't have really good... | ||
| Bioluminescence photos? | ||
| God, look at that shore. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Now, you said the stars. | ||
| The stars were amazing, yes. | ||
| Like, how amazing? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| There's no light pollution at all, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, in some ways it felt like I was just, like, living this National Geographic experience of, like, you know, I had dolphins come right up to my boat. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, I think it was, like, the fourth way mark. | ||
| I was like, I want to celebrate. | ||
| And my way of celebrating was very limited. | ||
| It was like, oh, am I going to have two Snickers bars? | ||
| Like... | ||
| There's not really anything other than what I had, but this pod of dolphins surrounded my boat and we're doing like flips and tricks. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Right at that moment that I was reaching it. | ||
| So yeah, the dolphins and sharks and birds and I even had like Fish following right underneath my boat like because barnacles would grow it was like I on on the side of my boat I would scrub them off but sometimes they would just keep following my boat so every time I I named them Ed Ed and Eddie but I had like three Dorados that would keep following and birds that came on my boat | ||
| and wow yeah I didn't think that there would be that many birds out there but I Yeah, how are they getting out there? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't ask. | ||
| I think some birds can actually fly right across the ocean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is pretty amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the Dorado, that's a dolphin fish, right? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| They were hanging out under your boat? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those are delicious. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a mahi-mahi. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then I had a lot of flying fish. | ||
| That was another unexpected thing, like to constantly be hit by them. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Especially like morning and like, yeah. | ||
| Did they wind up inside your boat? | ||
| You had to chuck them back in? | ||
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Oh yeah, yeah. | |
| And I would wake up just because they would fly into the cabin and like, yeah. | ||
| Flying fish. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Have you seen flying fish? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen them in the wild. | ||
| It's kind of cool. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| What did you eat? | ||
| So everything had to be light just because I was pushing it. | ||
| So I had like freeze-dried meals, which aren't like the MREs that have liquid in it. | ||
| So I had a desalinator, so I would convert the salt water into drinking water. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, which is crazy because I was doing that journey to raise money for clean water, and yet I had a better source of water than a billion people, so that was just like, yeah. | ||
| So this desalinator, I did not know that they had a portable desalinator that's that small. | ||
| So I had the main desalinator, which works by reverse osmosis, and there were two solar panels that powered all the electronics. | ||
| And I had a handheld one, which fortunately I didn't have to use that, but that would take two hours to pump the water that I'd need. | ||
| For the whole day? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And then as my third option, I did also have ballast water that I could refill with salt water. | ||
| So it would help maintain the self-riding capability because that was another thing. | ||
| This rowboat wasn't like something you could get in Dick's Sporting Good. | ||
| It was like self-riding. | ||
| So that meant that even if I had big waves that it could flip and it would flip back over again because of the design of the boat. | ||
| And then the ballast water helped with that self-riding capability. | ||
| So your ballast water was fresh water just in case of a chance that you needed water, you can get that and replace it with salt water. | ||
| And then like the last week of my journey, I started just using the ballast water because it was easier and I knew I was about to finish. | ||
| When you say you replace it with salt water, did you have containers that you would take the ballast water out and put it into some sort of a drinkable container? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because you would have to get it all out and then put the salt water. | ||
| You can't mix it, right? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So I had my own like water containers, but they were in these like, I think it was like a platypus type water containers. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So who planned this stuff out for you as far as the construction of the boat and the ballast water and all that jazz? | ||
| Did you have to design all this yourself? | ||
| So I was fortunate because I was able to buy it used. | ||
| So there was another... | ||
| Somebody quit? | ||
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No, but he made it. | |
| His name's Paul Ridley and he did it a year before me. | ||
| Oh, so he actually did it. | ||
| How many people have done it? | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I know there's more people that have been to the moon. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There's not a lot of Americans. | ||
| Most of the ocean rowers are from the UK. But for solos, I don't know, a few hundred. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| A few hundred people have been to the moon. | ||
| 450? | ||
| To the moon? | ||
| No. | ||
| In space. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know there's not a lot. | ||
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It's a small handful that have been to the moon. | |
| Allegedly. | ||
| Are you next? | ||
| Now, when you're getting this from this guy who's done it, did he look at you and go, Katie, don't I think he was so excited to have someone lined up to buy it because there's not many people who want to buy it. | ||
| Imagine you put that on eBay! | ||
| Hey, who wants to go across the fucking ocean by yourself? | ||
| I did it. | ||
| Want to buy my boat? | ||
| You'd have to be a fan of his, maybe. | ||
| Would you ever row across an ocean? | ||
| No, I would not, Katie. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Thank you for asking. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| No, I don't have that kind of time. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But there's, like, you have your whole life in front of you. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| What's one thing that you do want to do before? | ||
| That's not appealing to me. | ||
| People like you are appealing to me. | ||
| People that do things like that. | ||
| You're very appealing. | ||
| I like talking to you. | ||
| I don't want to do it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I know it's got to be mind-bending and very, very difficult. | ||
| I'm very aware of that. | ||
| That's an enormous amount of time. | ||
| 70 days? | ||
| I have three jobs. | ||
| I have no desire to take 70 days off of any of them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| But I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| I guess that makes sense. | ||
| But you, you're interesting because when you said that to me, would you do it, and all of a sudden you're like probing. | ||
| You're like looking into my brain. | ||
| You wanted to see what's going on in my soul. | ||
| I could tell. | ||
| You're like, would you do it? | ||
| Maybe you're a quitter. | ||
| No, it's just like... | ||
| Maybe you wouldn't do it because you don't have the courage. | ||
| That is definitely not true because most people who do want to do these things, do you know what the limiting factor is? | ||
| What? | ||
| The perceived limiting factor because there's always a way or there's always... | ||
| A limit, right? | ||
| So money can be a limiting factor for a lot of adventurous things. | ||
| And I hope that when people see some of the things I've done, they are encouraged to know you can do things on a shoestring. | ||
| You don't have to, you know, but that's just, yeah. | ||
| Well, there's also taking 70 days off work. | ||
| That's very difficult for a lot of people to pull off. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's hard for people to get a week off work. | ||
| Yeah, but you could look at it a different way. | ||
| How old are you, Katie? | ||
| 33. How old were you when you did it? | ||
| 22. So when you were young, what were you doing for a job when you did this? | ||
| So I just graduated from college and I was working for a non-profit for a year beforehand. | ||
| So I was planning this during my senior year. | ||
| So did you stack some money aside? | ||
| So there's no way I would have been able to do it without sponsors. | ||
| So there were some Cleveland companies that were able to partner up. | ||
| The purpose behind it, there's definitely a purpose behind why I do what I do, and that's always been water. | ||
| And so there were also some companies that shared the vision and passion that, you know, everyone on our planet should have clean water and there's ways to do that. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| We do some work with Fight for the Forgotten. | ||
| It's my friend Justin Wren's organization. | ||
| Do you know where they are? | ||
| They build wells for the pygmies. | ||
| Yeah, he's a pretty amazing guy. | ||
| He's been going over there for years, and he spends months every year over there in Africa building wells. | ||
| And he's immeasurably helped the lives of countless people over there. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| It's just something that we just take for granted. | ||
| Like, here, water. | ||
| It's right there on the table. | ||
| You might drink it, you might not. | ||
| We might throw it in the sink. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I... I mean, that is one thing that is very universal. | ||
| It's crazy that some people don't even drink it. | ||
| You know John Daly, the golfer? | ||
| I was watching an interview. | ||
| You know who he is? | ||
| I don't golf, but he's a famous golfer. | ||
| Famous for being a guy who just gets hammered all the time. | ||
| He smokes cigarettes, but he's a really good golfer. | ||
| Just a big, fat guy who doesn't take care of himself. | ||
| But he does not drink any water at all. | ||
| And they did an interview with him, and they said, how much Diet Coke do you drink a day? | ||
| And he said, somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 large Diet Cokes a day. | ||
| So he goes to McDonald's, and he gets those extra large things at Diet Coke. | ||
| He says, McDonald's has the best fountain drinks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he says he hates water. | ||
| He doesn't drink any water. | ||
| I'm like, wow. | ||
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If you're thirsty, what is it? | |
| 26 to 28 cans of Diet Coke a day. | ||
| Now I have 10 to 12 at most. | ||
| I only smoke two packs of cigarettes a day, not three, so I'll be alright. | ||
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17 terrible pieces of health advice from John Daly. | |
| He's quite a character. | ||
| Like, what about his teeth? | ||
| His teeth can't be good. | ||
| Oh, well, I don't know. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| Look, he's out there with a cigarette in his mouth. | ||
| Look at his stomach. | ||
| Dentist. | ||
| 1991 to 2017. He's fat now, but still a really good golfer. | ||
| Golf is such a strange game. | ||
| You can make a living as an athlete and not even be remotely athletic or in shape or even healthy. | ||
| You just have to be able to do a few moves. | ||
| Yeah, there's some sports you can get away with. | ||
| Not rowing across the ocean, Katie. | ||
| Yeah, well... | ||
| How many cigarettes did you smoke while you were rowing across the ocean? | ||
| I definitely did not smoke any cigarettes. | ||
| But water. | ||
| So water is... | ||
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Water, yes. | |
| That's what you were doing it for. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You were doing it to raise money. | ||
| Correct, yep. | ||
| What's the organization? | ||
| Right now I'm working with an organization called H20 for Life, and they partner with schools here in the United States to help schools get clean water all around the world. | ||
| And what's also really cool about them is they create service learning opportunities for schools here. | ||
| And I think that, you know, sometimes when I'm involved with clean water, it's like, well, what are you doing here? | ||
| And H2O for Life does do things here to help kids feel part of something bigger, to help kids develop empathy and concern and care for other people. | ||
| So I think what they do is pretty unique in that they can both help others outside the United States and both help fill that need for kids here to feel part of something. | ||
| So the row raised $150,000 for water projects. | ||
| And then through all the different adventures, it's been about $400,000. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is really cool to, like, see the impact. | ||
| And I keep tabs on the different projects. | ||
| And right now it's 20,000 people that have gotten clean water through water. | ||
| Adventures. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, it really doesn't take much to help with clean water. | ||
| And yeah, you could support, I mean, there's so many great causes to get behind. | ||
| What's also encouraging about clean water is there are solutions. | ||
| It's not this unknown. | ||
| It's not this We're putting money into research to figure out if it will work. | ||
| There are wells, boreholes, rainwater harvesting. | ||
| There's so many different solutions tailored to the communities that work. | ||
| So what made it, like when you were thinking about doing this, what made Clean Water, what made that the thing that you chose to have as your main charitable organization? | ||
| So I was living in Australia and they were experiencing a pretty significant drought. | ||
| And Australia is very developed and to see the major headlines, to see the rules like Oh, you can't water your grass right now. | ||
| You can't wash your car right now. | ||
| And just to see that happening and somewhere so developed, it had it in the back of my mind. | ||
| Like, wow, water isn't something that should be taken for granted and it isn't just this unlimited resource. | ||
| And so I was studying environmental science and I remember one of my professors mentioned that the wars of the future would be on water. | ||
| And in some countries it's already the case. | ||
| To me, that was kind of like that one sentence that I couldn't unlearn, I couldn't stop thinking about. | ||
| And it just hit me at a core of like, that is so wrong. | ||
| And I, yeah, I was 19 or 20. And at that point, I felt like I had like a little bit because of traveling, like I had a little bit of a sense of what was going on in the world. | ||
| But to know at that point one in six people didn't have clean water, I was like, wow, I didn't even know about one-sixth of our planet and what their daily struggle is. | ||
| The fact that it's a problem that has a solution and it's something that... | ||
| Like, I don't know what cause could have as big an impact as water because you think, like, okay, what can you live without? | ||
| You can't even survive three days without water. | ||
| And just, like, thinking about health, half of the hospital beds are filled because of unsafe drinking water. | ||
| If you think about environment, if you think about education. | ||
| Half of the hospital beds in the world? | ||
| Is that what you mean? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Half? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For children in the world, the greatest killer is diarrheal disease, and that is because of unsafe drinking water. | ||
| There's this documentary that came out within the last year called, I think it's Brave Blue World, and Matt Damon shared something at the beginning about, like, imagine that right now we find the cure for all childhood cancers. | ||
| And then imagine in 50 years from now, these kids are still dying from this very cancer that we have a cure for, and that is what's happening with clean water. | ||
| I mean, if you, it just, I don't know, it still boils my blood just like thinking about like how wrong it is. | ||
| And when you see how wrong it is, I mean, I feel like of course I would want to support that and do something. | ||
| When I first started learning about it, the first water project I was able to fund was in Haiti, and I was learning about how some places they don't even give their kids a name until they're five years old because... | ||
| Okay, so who's affected by the water crisis? | ||
| Women and children. | ||
| Children, their bodies aren't strong enough to withstand and to fight back all the bacteria and viruses and all the things. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So they won't even give their kids names until they think they'll be able to live. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So, like, just thinking about that is, like, these are real people. | ||
| Like, these are, I don't know. | ||
| The real people today. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| This is not real people 5,000 years ago. | ||
| And, like, just the idea of not even giving your child a name because of that fear of, like, they might not even live, so you don't even want to get, like... | ||
| My friend Lex, Lex Friedman, he's a scientist that works with artificial intelligence. | ||
| He posted something on his Instagram yesterday. | ||
| It's a crazy statistic about children and infant mortality from, I believe it was 200 years ago. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| In 1,800, 43% died before the age of 5. Today it's 4%. | ||
| Just imagine that. | ||
| And that was all over the world. | ||
| 43%. | ||
| But that's not the case everywhere. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| If you're not naming your kids, that's probably where the gap is. | ||
| Because it's not 5% of American children die before that age. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, water has always been something that has given me hope, just seeing that there's definitely real changes possible. | ||
| It also seems like it's financially possible. | ||
| You're not talking about giving everybody diamonds. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| I mean, with these water projects, it's not just clean water. | ||
| That's the pretty part. | ||
| But they also need latrines. | ||
| And so most of these charities that are working to solve the water crisis are not just They're doing sanitation and hygiene education. | ||
| So on average, it depends. | ||
| Rainwater harvesting is a lot cheaper than building wells. | ||
| But on average, it's like $50 for one person to get clean water. | ||
| For their life? | ||
| Depending. | ||
| It's hard to... | ||
| At least 10 years, though, for most of the water projects. | ||
| God, that seems like a hurdle that's so easy to get over. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's just not a financial incentive for people to do it. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like, it's not because there's a lack, like, the solution is there. | ||
| It's just, like, the motivation to, you know, put resources and energy towards it. | ||
| But I've definitely felt very encouraged just seeing how many people have been supportive. | ||
| And, yeah, I mean, just... | ||
| Yeah, you could say, like, I raised this much, but truthfully, it's I witnessed the generosity of others who believed in a similar thing that I did. | ||
| When you say that, obviously, children, but why are women more affected by it than men? | ||
| Because it's their responsibility to go and collect the water. | ||
| So on average, it's like four miles every single day that they have to go. | ||
| And it's not just the fact that it's a long walk, but when you're coming back, you're carrying the jerry cans, which could be 40 pounds. | ||
| It could also be dangerous. | ||
| They could be attacked. | ||
| There could be wild animals. | ||
| So they are the ones who are responsible for collecting it. | ||
| And the men are out hunting or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also like for females, if there aren't any like latrines, like once they hit puberty and they're having their menstrual cycle, they will just not go to school anymore because they don't have a way to, you know, take care of themselves. | ||
| So women and children are definitely the ones who are affected the most. | ||
| Well, all in all, it's poor people. | ||
| And this organization has been around for how long doing this? | ||
| H2O for Life, over a decade, yeah. | ||
| So they have partners in the field building all the different projects and there's been maybe 40 or 50 projects that were funded through all the different adventures and then I have been able to visit some of them in Kenya and South Africa after the fact, after the projects were built and yeah. | ||
| How do you get connected with them and how does it work? | ||
| Do your sponsors pay X amount per what happens when you complete this? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| So for The Row, there were corporate sponsors that helped pay for the cost of the event. | ||
| And then I did things like sponsor a mile. | ||
| Sometimes I'll do work with Rotary Clubs. | ||
| They've been super supportive and a good partner on hosting different events. | ||
| I don't even know what a Rotary Club is, but I know that word. | ||
| Okay, so there's 30,000 Rotary Clubs all around the world. | ||
| What's a Rotary Club? | ||
| My dad used to be in one, but it's like a group of guys that meets and hangs. | ||
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It doesn't have to be guys. | |
| It's a group of people that meets, have lunch, talk about business sort of stuff. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| In a neighborhood sort of like community. | ||
| Until this moment in my life, I've never even thought, what's a Rotary Club? | ||
| Oh, well, let me tell you. | ||
| Yeah, she knows more probably than... | ||
| So, Rotary Clubs, you probably have seen their signs like, oh, we're meeting every Tuesday at 8. So it's usually like leaders in the community get together once a week and they do local and global service projects. | ||
| So it's a service organization. | ||
| So there's your local one, then there's districts, and then they meet for like global conferences. | ||
| But basically, yeah, their focus is how can we make our community better locally and globally. | ||
| And so we've partnered on different like fundraisers and And then, so there's partnering with schools, partnering with Rotary Clubs, and then part of like whenever I do speaking, I do it in return for donations to the cause. | ||
| And then finally, some corporate sponsors will do like a matching fund challenge. | ||
| So whatever other individuals raise, they'll match that. | ||
| So it's definitely like... | ||
| Seeing who's interested and who's also passionate about it, but there's definitely never been like this is how it's always been. | ||
| It's kind of working with what interests of others that also want to do something. | ||
| So you had a series of sponsors and you have a series of sponsors for all your adventures. | ||
| Usually, yes. | ||
| Some of my smaller adventures were more on a shoestring. | ||
| How do you go about acquiring these sponsors? | ||
| So, a lot, like, because, especially for my first adventures, I didn't, that wasn't my network. | ||
| It was a lot of, like, cold, cold calling and just looking for companies that I thought would also share that, the same vision. | ||
| But, Yeah, really just sending emails or asking to set up meetings. | ||
| So you do it all yourself? | ||
| I do, but of course no one ever does anything by themselves. | ||
| Everyone's always supported. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But no, I don't have an agent or anything like that. | ||
| Seems like you should. | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it seems like these things that you're doing, especially the rowing across the ocean, it's pretty high profile, right? | ||
| It feels like someone can get involved and sort of boost your signal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm open. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Are you going to do something else crazy? | ||
| Um, I definitely feel called to do like, so with ocean rowing, most people go from like one island to another because you're right within the trade winds. | ||
| So it takes about 100 miles offshore until you're right in those trade winds. | ||
| And so I was very intentional about the row in going mainland to mainland. | ||
| And the reason behind that is just because I've always thought it would be so cool to go around the whole world by human power. | ||
| And when that idea came or whatever, I basically said, okay, so what's the hardest part? | ||
| What's the part you're most likely to fail? | ||
| And if you're going around the whole world... | ||
| The row is the part that you're most likely to fail. | ||
| Half of the people do. | ||
| And it's the most expensive. | ||
| And I would never want to go on this around the world trip and then fail at the last leg. | ||
| And so that was always the original vision of just like, Going completely around the world by human power. | ||
| And I think realistically it would be done in legs. | ||
| So I would like to do the next leg, which would be cycling from where I landed in South America. | ||
| So I landed in Georgetown, Guyana. | ||
| And then cycling from South America to North America. | ||
| And that would take probably about a year. | ||
| But yeah, so that was always like something. | ||
| But it's not, the reason I haven't done it is because I have a lot of other things that I've done and am doing that I'm interested in. | ||
| And I always thought a journey like that is something that you could do much older. | ||
| Because there's a certain kind of fitness you need for an Ironman versus cycle touring. | ||
| You really... | ||
| You're not racing. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And I kind of wanted my 20s to be more racing and more pushing. | ||
| I really enjoyed doing Ironman after Ironman after Ironman and just feeling fast. | ||
| And the more I do endurance, the... | ||
| I'm losing that speed. | ||
| And so it's kind of like a balance. | ||
| And so I, yeah, I think the around the world trip certainly would be something I'd love to explore doing. | ||
| I am also aware that like, for endurance, being in my 30s is probably the best for recovery. | ||
| So although I think people could cycle around the world in their 60s and 70s, I think I would enjoy it more now just because of that ability to recover and like sleeping in a tent and dealing with all like the climate and just kind of living wild like that. | ||
| Yeah, that would be one of the challenges that I could see pursuing probably in legs rather than just doing the whole thing because it would be like three years. | ||
| Now when you think about doing something like that, do you get concerned about your safety? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I don't do these things because I don't have concern. | ||
| I definitely was concerned about the ocean and I think that's why I spent so much time researching it and asking all those questions and looking at what were the backups. | ||
| I definitely took it very seriously and took those risks very seriously, but I don't know, like... | ||
| Did you encounter any hairy moments while you were out there? | ||
| Yeah, I had like 30 foot waves at... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yes, but... | ||
| 30 feet is a lot. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| What's this roof? | ||
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Maybe... | |
| Maybe 10. 10? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| 10. Okay. | ||
| Three times the size of this roof. | ||
| But let me... | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Okay, but here's the thing about that... | ||
| You're in a little rowboat. | ||
| 30-foot waves is crazy. | ||
| These boats are designed for it. | ||
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I understand. | |
| So it's kind of like, what's the point of having this fancy boat if you don't get to see the full possibilities and capabilities of it? | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| I could have been in a rinky-dink kayak at that point if I didn't. | ||
| So when you row an ocean, you're not like, hey, what's... | ||
| Hurricane season, let's go. | ||
| I wasn't out there when... | ||
| So I worked with a weather guy, and we knew that it could be like that, so I had a backup place. | ||
| So here's what happened. | ||
| I was about to land. | ||
| I had these big waves. | ||
| And then I was like, oh no. | ||
| You're about to land. | ||
| So is it the end? | ||
| Yeah, correct. | ||
| And it's known because it's like the continental shelf. | ||
| So it jumps from being thousands of feet deep to pretty shallow. | ||
| So it's known to have these like waves and winds and it's just known for that kind of thing. | ||
| I had an option of landing there, but I would need a boat to tow me in because I could crash into cliffs or crash into something because it's so impossible to be precise when you have those big waves. | ||
| So that's where the detour happened. | ||
| So I ended up two countries west of my original destination because I didn't want to tow. | ||
| Like, how terrible would that be? | ||
| That would have sucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, oh, here I did it. | ||
| If you didn't have to get towed, would you go back and do it again? | ||
| You might have to, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't even want to think about that. | ||
| Like, so that's, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's not solo. | ||
| You got that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, see, I think you'd do it again. | ||
| Or I would just go from where they picked me up. | ||
| Hmm, that seems lame. | ||
| I know, but... | ||
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It doesn't seem... | |
| Says me, a guy who's not even willing to go across a lake. | ||
| Don't listen to me. | ||
| Maybe someday. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How many Iron Men have you done? | ||
| Five. | ||
| Does it bother you it's an Iron Man, not an Iron person? | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| Why is it Iron Man if you're doing it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems weird. | ||
| You should ask them. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems kind of weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not even one of those people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that complains about that kind of shit? | ||
| But why does it have to be Iron Man if, like, all sexists can do it? | ||
| I don't know, but, like... | ||
| What if you're asexual? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What if you're like a zur? | ||
| And you're like, I'm just an iron thing. | ||
| I'm an iron they. | ||
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Why don't they just call it iron they? | |
| No, doesn't sound good. | ||
| It's a problem, right? | ||
| If you're a woman, like if I was a guy and I was competing in an iron woman championship, I'm like, yeah, I took third place in iron woman. | ||
| They'd be like, why are you in a woman's contest? | ||
| Well, it's open for everybody. | ||
| They just call it iron woman. | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Wouldn't you? | ||
| I don't make these rules. | ||
| Now that you're thinking about it. | ||
| Someone should start attacking them on Twitter and they would change their name. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Well, they're changing so many names because of social justice warriors attacking people. | ||
| There was a recent one that they're changing the word man. | ||
| They're taking the word man out of something. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
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I forget what it is. | |
| I mean, what would we have to call it so we would call it... | ||
| It's not Iron Man or what? | ||
| Iron Human. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| What's wrong with Iron Human? | ||
| That has man in it, too, by the way. | ||
| Because it doesn't sound... | ||
| It's good? | ||
| No. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It sounds dope. | ||
| I like it better. | ||
| It's not as punchy. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Iron Man's more punchy? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, sometimes when things are shorter. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah, still. | ||
| I mean, there's things in this world that are definitely worth changing, and I would like to focus on water. | ||
| But if you want to take that one up, I'll focus on water, you focus on that one. | ||
| I'm going to row across the ocean to get rid of the name of Iron Man, change it to Iron Human. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many have you done? | ||
| Five. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know they make them longer, too. | ||
| There's like... | ||
| They, like, make them, I think, three times as long. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a thing. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The longest I've, like, biked once was, like, 375 miles in 24 hours. | ||
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| And the longest I've run is 138, and I think that's it. | ||
| Like, I don't think I would like to go any further. | ||
| My buddy Cam, he does a lot of them, Cam Haynes, he's done the Moab 240 and the Bigfoot, whatever it is, Bigfoot 2, it's like 205 or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Moab 240 is a three-day. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Three-day jam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're trying to do something even crazier. | ||
| Yeah, they, I believe it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, I have seen like 200 as the new 100. Yeah, these people are out of their fucking minds. | ||
| I mean. | ||
| He's got his son doing it now. | ||
| Yeah, he's crazy. | ||
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Son Truitt. | |
| I think Truitt's like... | ||
| He's in his early 20s. | ||
| He's the kid that broke Goggins' chin-up record. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, his son's a savage, too. | ||
| Was Goggins mad? | ||
| No, he loves it. | ||
| Is he going to try to break it again? | ||
| I'm sure he'll break it. | ||
| Who broke his? | ||
| Yeah, he has to. | ||
| I think another guy holds... | ||
| Goggins held the world record, and then Truitt broke Goggins' record, but I don't believe that was the world record anymore. | ||
| I think there was another guy who broke the world record. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So it's like a little hot potato. | ||
| It's an insane amount of chin-ups. | ||
| It's like thousands of chin-ups. | ||
| 54-year-old Mark Jordan. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| He's older than me. | ||
| 4,210. | ||
| Let me see what this savage looks like. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at the build on that man. | ||
| See, that's an even bigger problem, right? | ||
| Because that guy has to carry all that weight. | ||
| Like, he's heavier. | ||
| Because when you look at Goggins or Truett, they're smaller guys. | ||
| Like, Goggins is, is that Truett there? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
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No, it's not. | |
| No, this is 2017. Why is most pull-ups in one minute? | ||
| These savages keep breaking it. | ||
| I think what's impressive... | ||
| That guy's jacked, though. | ||
| That's what's nuts. | ||
| How thick that dude is. | ||
| 4,300, actually, it says. | ||
| That's so much! | ||
| 4,321 in 24 hours. | ||
| That's so much! | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| That is so much. | ||
| Texas man. | ||
| Yeah, Corpus Christi. | ||
| Mark Jordan. | ||
| Shout out to Mark. | ||
| Yeah, usually they're not that muscular. | ||
| Because he's carrying around, I'm sure he's got muscular legs too, carrying around a lot of weight. | ||
| It's easier for slimmer people to do chin-ups. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So since you meet all these people that do fit things, who is a person that you've met or a record that you admire or, I don't know, the coolest? | ||
| The coolest? | ||
| The coolest human feat. | ||
| The person who you have the most respect for doing, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe you, Katie. | ||
| No. | ||
| Might be. | ||
| No. | ||
| Can't be. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because there's so many cool things. | ||
| What you did is pretty cool. | ||
| By yourself, alone in the ocean, for fucking days and days and days and days and days and days with phospholuminescent water and the stars and dolphins are playing with you. | ||
| What you did is pretty fucking cool. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| Pretty cool. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's up there. | ||
| Okay, but what's, you know... | ||
| Eddie Izzard impressed me the most because what he did, he had zero training and he wasn't in shape and he's a comedian. | ||
| He just did it on pure will. | ||
| And he's done multiple ones of these. | ||
| But I shouldn't say he anymore because now he wants to be called a she. | ||
| She. | ||
| I'll just call him her, Eddie. | ||
| Eddie ran the entire length around the UK. Yeah, but with zero training. | ||
| And they documented it in a documentary. | ||
| I mean, Eddie's feet were falling off. | ||
| I mean, the skin was just completely removed. | ||
| It's horrific to watch when you see them trying to tape up the toes and deal with all the blisters and then running the next day. | ||
| Eddie's out there huffing it. | ||
| I mean, but not in shape. | ||
| Not like a person like you or like Cam Haynes or David Goggins. | ||
| A person that is just through sheer will decides they're gonna run around the entire length of the UK and do it all for charity. | ||
| And then since then, Eddie's done, she's run through Africa and did a recent one where They were doing it on Zoom. | ||
| That one was on a treadmill and did, what was it, like 26 marathons? | ||
| 31 and 32 days? | ||
| Yeah, something crazy. | ||
| Like that, 32 and 32 days? | ||
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| That's pretty damn impressive because he's not an athlete per se. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| It sounds like she sounds pretty athletic. | ||
| Yeah, she used to be called a he. | ||
| It's confusing because she still likes girls. | ||
| Or as Eddie says, fancies the ladies. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| When you're that badass, I don't give a fuck what you call yourself or who you are. | ||
| I'll say whatever you want. | ||
| What was the distance for the UK run? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
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| 43 marathons in 51 days. | ||
| 27 miles a day, at least. | ||
| You've got to understand that this is not an in-shape person. | ||
| I'm surprised that there was an injury to stop that. | ||
| I think, like, injury is definitely one of the biggest, like, you know, challenges. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| How old was Eddie at the time? | ||
| It was in 2009, so a little bit younger. | ||
| 40? | ||
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| Probably 40. Not young. | ||
| Only trained for five weeks right before it. | ||
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| That's really... | ||
| Yeah, it's not saying. | ||
| I'll check something else. | ||
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| Like, usually you taper two or three weeks. | ||
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| So that's like... | ||
| No, it's nuts. | ||
| Yeah, that's nuts. | ||
| And if you watch the documentary, you just see it's just sheer will. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was 47 at the time. | ||
| You could say he was 47 at the time because he was a he then. | ||
| 47-year-old actor was 47 at the time. | ||
| That's not young. | ||
| It's super impressive. | ||
| That's probably the most impressive thing. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be curious. | ||
| But just because of that, because I know, like, my friend Cam Haynes, he runs every day. | ||
| He's in great shape. | ||
| He just ran 100 miles like it was nothing. | ||
| Just did it, like, last weekend. | ||
| Did a 100-mile race. | ||
| And he doesn't even tell anybody. | ||
| He just goes and does them. | ||
| Because he does it so much. | ||
| He runs, literally when he prepares for these things, he runs a marathon a day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| So him doing that? | ||
| Not as impressive as Eddie doing it, just because Eddie's not in shape. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| I mean, like, even in Ironmans, like, of course, there's these people who finish in eight, nine hours, but sometimes the most impressive thing, like, one of the races I did, my friends and I, we stayed until the last person came. | ||
| And this person was out there for 17 hours, like... | ||
| And they made it just within like 20 more seconds to go. | ||
| And like, yeah, it's almost just as inspiring, if not more, to see that person who's just barely made it than the one who's just like, oh, I could do that again. | ||
| But there's not one person that's the most impressive. | ||
| One of the more interesting things about doing a podcast is that you can talk to people from all walks of life. | ||
| And so my understanding of human beings is very broad in a sense that, like, oh, I met someone like her. | ||
| Oh, I know a person like that. | ||
| Oh, that guy. | ||
| Yeah, that's like this person. | ||
| If you just live in the same place and communicate with the same people and you don't get out and you don't travel and you don't meet really unique and interesting people, you have an idea. | ||
| You have a little box that you look to put human beings in. | ||
| My box is enormous. | ||
| So what I think of what's possible with people is enormous. | ||
| So it's made me very, very open-minded in terms of what's possible, in terms of just the different kinds of people, different styles of human being. | ||
| Because that's kind of what it's like. | ||
| There's different styles of human being. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I think it means when you have an expertise in one subject, you grossly overestimate your understanding of other subjects. | ||
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Let's see if we can find the definition of that. | |
| I've never heard that. | ||
| You've never heard that? | ||
| It's a commonly used phrase because it's very common amongst really brilliant people, unfortunately. | ||
| There's brilliant people that dismiss other disciplines and other works and other fields of interest because it's not inside of the... | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| It's a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability... | ||
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Oh, psychological bias. | |
| Yeah, it would be an amateur chess player overestimating their performance in the upcoming chess tournament compared to their competent counterparts. | ||
| Hmm, I think I fucked that up then. | ||
| Because I thought that it had to do with someone being really good at something else, and that's why the Dunning-Kruger effect takes into position. | ||
| That's how I've always thought of it. | ||
| So the way I'm looking at it, I'm looking at the Dunning-Kruger effect based on people that are good at other things. | ||
| Maybe someone is a great mathematician, but they have a kind of funky view about religion. | ||
| Or maybe there's someone who is a brilliant psychologist, but they maybe have a dismissive view of martial arts or people that practice it. | ||
| I know people that are into athletics and they're athletic trainers and they dismiss yoga. | ||
| They have zero experience in yoga. | ||
| And I've had arguments with people about that. | ||
| Like guys who are professional trainers that train elite athletes and they dismiss yoga. | ||
| What do they have against yoga? | ||
| It's not that they have anything against it. | ||
| It's that they don't understand what they're talking about. | ||
| Because they believe that because they're so good at this one thing, maybe plyometrics, explosive training, that you talk to them about yoga and they'll be dismissive of it. | ||
| I'm like, well, how often are you doing it? | ||
| Listen, I've done a lot of shit. | ||
| Yoga's hard. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I don't think it's the only thing you should do. | ||
| I talked to this one lady. | ||
| She used to go to my yoga class and she was in her 50s and she was fucking shredded. | ||
| She had this crazy six-pack and super jacked. | ||
| And I go, you don't just do yoga. | ||
| And she goes, no, no, no. | ||
| I do a lot of weightlifting and I do a lot of CrossFit and stuff like that. | ||
| She goes, I don't think you should just do yoga. | ||
| She goes, but I think you should do yoga. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, I kind of agree. | ||
| Because I think just doing yoga, you get one of them weird guru bodies. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You're real bendy, but it doesn't seem like you can help anybody move a couch. | ||
| I think weightlifting, especially as you get older, I think it's imperative. | ||
| I really think it's important. | ||
| Some sort of resistance training just to keep your bone density and keep your muscles and tendons strong. | ||
| But yoga has some profound mental benefits, some psychological benefits. | ||
| And it's hard! | ||
| It's fucking hard. | ||
| Like, holding on to those... | ||
| I like to do hot yoga, too. | ||
| So holding on to those poses when it's 105 degrees and you're watching sweat pour off of you and your heart's pounding out of your chest. | ||
| Yes, but sometimes when you do those hot yoga classes, you would be sweating if you were just sitting there. | ||
| So I think sometimes... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, it is hard, but if you were sitting there, you probably would be sweating, too. | ||
| So it could be... | ||
| Well, that's because it's harder when it's hot. | ||
| Because it makes your body produce heat shock proteins, which makes it better. | ||
| See, this is another thing that people get screwed up. | ||
| They say, oh, no, no, it's not that hard. | ||
| It just seems hard because it's hot. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's fucking hard. | ||
| And it's harder because it's hot. | ||
| So your body has to work harder. | ||
| It feels harder because it is. | ||
| Because it's more difficult for your body. | ||
| So because it's more difficult for your body, your body has to produce these cytokines. | ||
| And that is massive. | ||
| It's massive for inflammation benefits. | ||
| And there's actually a study they're doing at Harvard right now about hot yoga. | ||
| And they're trying to find out if hot yoga has similar benefits to that... | ||
| Was it Finland that did that sauna study? | ||
| I keep fucking it up. | ||
| I always say Norway. | ||
| Finland, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a study that they did out of Finland that showed a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality for people that did sauna. | ||
| I think it's at 170 degrees, 20 minutes, four times a week. | ||
| 40% decrease of all-cause mortality, heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything across the board because of the heat shock protein benefit, because of the fact that your body is kind of freaking out because of that heat. | ||
| So it produces those cytokines and that has massive benefits for your health and psychological benefits. | ||
| So, one of the coaches I worked with for Ironman, like, I used to do hot yoga a lot, and his concern for me in doing that on top of Ironman training was just like, okay, so you are already so dehydrated. | ||
| Like, hydration is already so hard with training, whatever, 20 hours of sweating by running and biking and swimming. | ||
| So, that's the only thing that I've heard, like, I don't know, have you heard anything about that, like, You definitely can get dehydrated if you don't plan accordingly. | ||
| But what you really need is an electrolyte supplement. | ||
| So I use liquid IV. I'll do two of those in a day is generally what I do because I work out a lot. | ||
| But when I do the sauna, I do one after the sauna. | ||
| But if I do a hot yoga class, I'll do it before the yoga class. | ||
| So I'll do like an hour before the yoga class, I'll drink 32 ounces of water with liquid IV. The only problem is having to pee. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| We talked about that before the podcast. | ||
| You drink a lot of water. | ||
| My daughter, my 10-year-old, has decided to drink massive amounts of water now. | ||
| So she has this... | ||
| Oh, the jug. | ||
| It is so big. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| And she was laughing. | ||
| And I go, why are you doing this? | ||
| And she goes, well, water's really good for you. | ||
| And I just want to see if I can drink this every day. | ||
| And I go, well, you definitely can drink it every day. | ||
| So I go, how many times do you have to pee at class? | ||
| She goes, oh, every class. | ||
| I have to get up and pee multiple times. | ||
| And she's laughing. | ||
| I go, multiple times during class. | ||
| I go, what do your teachers think about this? | ||
| She goes, they laugh. | ||
| They think it's funny. | ||
| Because they know that I have this giant jug of water on my table. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| She might be going... | ||
| Overhydration! | ||
| Hyponatremia! | ||
| No, she's not doing that. | ||
| Because she's doing it through the entire day. | ||
| But that is a danger. | ||
| But that's when you're forcing water into your body. | ||
| People have died from that. | ||
| I've had hyponatremia. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Biking across America. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| It was, I mean, yeah, I've had, like, I mean, if you do endurance stuff, of course, some things happen. | ||
| Like, I've had rhabdo, I've had... | ||
| When you had rhabdo, would they have to, rhabdomyelosis, would you have to do to fix that? | ||
| So that was the thing. | ||
| This is going to sound so stupid, but I was like, but I don't feel like it. | ||
| And I've had internal bleeding. | ||
| I was like, I don't feel anything. | ||
| So they just give you IV. Just drink water? | ||
| They gave me like two liters of IV. And that's it? | ||
| That was all. | ||
| And then, yeah, I think I was just monitoring. | ||
| And rapto is your muscles start to break down. | ||
| Yeah, so whenever you're working out, you're ideally breaking down your muscles because that's how they grow stronger. | ||
| So from my understanding, I mean, I'm not like a... | ||
| But from my understanding is that it's like when your muscles are breaking down, it's in your bloodstream, and your kidneys are trying really hard to filter it out, filter out. | ||
| And if there's so much breakdown, it's beyond your kidneys' ability to filter, filter, filter, so it could cause kidney failure. | ||
| So it's clogging your pipes, basically. | ||
| I know that the stuff I do, no doctor would be like, yeah, that sounds great. | ||
| Go run 100 miles. | ||
| Doctors tell you not to do everything, though. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| They don't want the liability of being like... | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| When I got my first knee surgery, I remember my doctor saying, well, no more martial arts for you. | ||
| I was like, the fuck out of here. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Watch me. | ||
| At the time, I was 22 or something like that. | ||
| I'm like, you're fucking crazy. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Are you fixing my knee or not? | ||
| Is it fixed? | ||
| Well, it'll be more vulnerable now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when I get it fixed again, like in my mind, I was like, I don't even know what you're saying. | ||
| I'm gonna stop working out. | ||
| I can't do martial arts ever, ever again. | ||
| And then it happened again. | ||
| When I got my second knee surgery, I had a meniscus scope and the doctors, same thing. | ||
| They were like, well, you really need to stop this. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay. | ||
| I do? | ||
| Meanwhile, I don't. | ||
| Look, because here I'm still doing it 20 years later. | ||
| And I'm not in pain. | ||
| You guys are out of your fucking minds. | ||
| They're so risk-averse. | ||
| They just want to avoid any kind of real problems you're going to have with your body. | ||
| But I think your body is supposed to be used. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You gotta use that damn thing. | ||
| I mean, like, I'm really into rollerblading right now. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I could go on about the benefits of rollerblading. | ||
| I think Raven was talking to people before this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Rollerblading is so great. | ||
| And some people are like, oh, my balance is so terrible. | ||
| I'm like, well, you should probably rollerblade. | ||
| Because how do you improve your balance by doing things that are challenging your balance? | ||
| You don't get better by avoiding it. | ||
| But that's what people say. | ||
| Oh, I can't rollerblade because of that. | ||
| No, you should rollerblade. | ||
| Just wear your helmet. | ||
| Knee pads, elbow pads. | ||
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Do what you gotta do. | |
| Do you have the hand things too? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I just have the helmet. | ||
| What about your hands? | ||
| Don't you worry about the soft tissue in your fingers? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| I rode across the Atlantic. | ||
| Like, I'm used to the, you know, having calf kills. | ||
| Rough stuff, yeah. | ||
| But running, and I think most endurance athletes end up doing the same repetitive thing, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what most weaknesses are your hips. | ||
| Like... | ||
| And a lot of people have knee issues, which is because of weak hips. | ||
| And so I think what's really great about rollerblading is it targets the very areas that are often very, like, underdeveloped with running and biking and repetitive... | ||
| And then I think there's the stabilizing muscles. | ||
| And, like, you'll get that with, like, the Pilates and things like, you know, one-legged type drills. | ||
| And I don't necessarily think the stabilizers, like... | ||
| From my experience, if my quads are really strong and I'm trying to run, I'm going to rely on my quads. | ||
| And I'm not going to be like, hamstrings work really hard because I already know my quads are really strong. | ||
| But with rollerblading, I think it gets into all these little stabilizing muscles. | ||
| So the areas that I'm really sore from rollerblading is my low back. | ||
| And that's another area that matters a lot with running because... | ||
| Like, I think running, you could definitely think about, like, your strength and your muscle. | ||
| But what's also, from my understanding, is, like, 30% of your run efficiency happens, like, because of your form. | ||
| And, yeah, low back definitely helps with form and... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was just thinking about what sports are fun, and I don't think you could be in a bad mood while rollerblading. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like it's a good time. | ||
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It looks festive. | |
| You can't be angry while you're rollerblading. | ||
| No, and you could listen to music and jam out, have fun. | ||
| I jam out. | ||
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That's what my friend and I are doing every weekend now. | |
| So that's your thing? | ||
| For now. | ||
| You're going to rollerblade across America? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you thinking about it? | ||
| No, I thought about it. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| It's really... | ||
| Okay, so I have the three-wheeled rollerblades. | ||
| There's four wheels, which is what most people probably have used, but three wheels are a lot faster, and it's really hard to stop. | ||
| Is the two in the front or in the back? | ||
| no it's it's it's not skating it's like oh yeah like a blade yes oh so i cannot stop very well well that sucks and so i would not want to go across america if i didn't know how to stop why don't you go roller skating is that too easy oh no i don't i i feel like it's for babies oh you want to go fast i mean it does feel like ricky bobby Well, I mean, who wants to go slow? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Like, so, I think rollerblading's really fun and people should try it if they haven't. | ||
| Seems like a good time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there are certain things that like, so like gymnastics, it like, it's very artistic and fun to watch. | ||
| But I'm sure for the gymnasts, it's not actually fun and artistic to do. | ||
| But I think like ice skating and rollerblading, like it's fun for the person and for the person watching. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I think gymnastics are fun. | ||
| My middle daughter does gymnastics. | ||
| She's really good at it. | ||
| She loves it. | ||
| We have to stop her from doing it in the house. | ||
| She does like back handsprings in the hallway. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Hey, hey, hey. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| She loves it. | ||
| She gets on the trampoline, does flips and all kinds of shit. | ||
| She goes bananas. | ||
| You can't stop her. | ||
| She loves it. | ||
| I've never really been. | ||
| I always assumed that because it just looks so hard. | ||
| I think a lot of things that look hard when you finish them is a feeling of elation. | ||
| Does that sound familiar? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think when you don't think you could ever do a backflip and then all of a sudden you can hit two in a row or do a tuck and do a forward one and you start doing it and then you get better and your form gets better. | ||
| It's like everything else. | ||
| It's like martial arts. | ||
| Martial arts are really hard. | ||
| But when you get good at it, it's like, wow, it feels like you're in a real live video game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you have anything that you're like, you know, like my little thing is like the splits. | ||
| I've never worked my way into that. | ||
| Oh, you should be able to do that. | ||
| You're an athlete. | ||
| My hamstrings are really tight. | ||
| Yeah, you could do it. | ||
| I mean, it would take time. | ||
| I think it's fascinating when I talk to someone like you that is willing to row across the fucking ocean and you're saying it would take time to do the splits. | ||
| Because my body, yeah, because I trained it to do one thing. | ||
| Yeah, no, I understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but it's just a matter of stretching. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| I mean, it's patience. | ||
| It's just consistency. | ||
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That's true. | |
| I've been doing it my whole life. | ||
| I've been stretching my whole life. | ||
| So, even though I'm a meathead, I'm very flexible. | ||
| Do you do any of the yin yoga? | ||
| Yin yoga? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So that's the one where you're just holding things for three minutes. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| From my understanding, it's one of the best types of yoga for runners because it's the least muscular. | ||
| So it would be like nappy time yoga. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Mostly on the floor? | ||
| Yeah, but it's probably the best stretching yoga. | ||
| Yeah, just stretch. | ||
| Just make yourself stretch. | ||
| Just decide, I have an hour and a half right now that I'm going to do nothing but stretch. | ||
| You'd be amazed at how much tension you carry in your muscles, too. | ||
| Whenever I have a show, a comedy show, and I'm a little tense, I stretch. | ||
| I feel way better afterwards. | ||
| It's like all this... | ||
| And then just like, ugh. | ||
| You have more mobility. | ||
| Everything moves better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I definitely like the tennis ball, too, for my back. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, we have these things. | ||
| Have you tried those fucking hyper ice balls? | ||
| They're these things. | ||
| They're hard, and they vibrate like crazy. | ||
| And you roll on them, and it just... | ||
| Well, try it afterwards. | ||
| It's one of our sponsors, which you get on it and... | ||
| Roll around on it. | ||
| It just loosens everything up. | ||
| It's so much better than a tennis ball. | ||
| I was using lacrosse balls for a while. | ||
| Those are nice. | ||
| This is like that times 100. It's awesome. | ||
| The vibration is crazy. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck is in here that makes this thing vibrate like that? | ||
| They have a roller that does the same thing. | ||
| I'll show you later. | ||
| My friend has the wand one that she uses. | ||
| It's some kind of... | ||
| Alex Honnold was here the other day. | ||
| You know who he is? | ||
| The free solo climber. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| And we were talking about flexibility. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I'm not really that flexible. | ||
| And I'm like, but wouldn't it help you to be flexible? | ||
| He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you definitely would. | ||
| And I'm like, why aren't you fucking stretching? | ||
| And he's like, well, it's really hard. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I'm like, no, it's not. | ||
| Like, you fucking climb El Cap with no ropes. | ||
| It's the same thing with you. | ||
| It's like people are crazy. | ||
| People have this thing that they do that's really difficult that they don't think is difficult, and then they look at something else, and they'll be like, I can never play piano. | ||
| It's kind of the same thing. | ||
| We put limitations on ourselves. | ||
| You say, I would like to be able to do the splits. | ||
| I swear to God, if you lived in Austin, I could get you to do the splits in 30 days. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Depending on how fucked up you are. | ||
| How much time would this... | ||
| You need an hour and a half a day. | ||
| To do the splits? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| Like, you could run... | ||
| 70 days across the fucking ocean? | ||
| No, it's not... | ||
| It's just like that would be 10 miles of running. | ||
| Yeah, well, you could do that, too. | ||
| It's not stopping you from doing that. | ||
| I mean, there's only so much time. | ||
| Yeah, it's 24 hours. | ||
| Yeah, you know how many times there is in a day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You just do it. | ||
| But if you wanted that, that's the thing that you keep saying. | ||
| You're saying you wish you could do the splits. | ||
| Well, it's just one of the, like, yeah, in the future. | ||
| Not right now. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| I do it every day. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| Stretch. | ||
| I'll let you know when I achieve my... | ||
| It's so important because it prevents injuries. | ||
| It allows you to have more range of motion. | ||
| And it's something that everybody loses as you get older. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I do do weights two or three times a week and then do yoga once a week. | ||
| But I would definitely be more on the cardio side of the fence. | ||
| Oh yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| Well, a lot of runners are real tight. | ||
| A lot of runners. | ||
| A lot of runners with very tight hamstrings. | ||
| When you're done with all that running, you don't want to fucking stretch. | ||
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You're like, I'm done. | |
| Let me have some Froot Loops or whatever. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Watermelon for me. | ||
| Watermelon, yeah. | ||
| You just want something. | ||
| You don't want to force yourself into it. | ||
| Goggins told me that he had such a problem with his psoas muscles that it was actually preventing him from running. | ||
| Like he was trying to figure out what was wrong with him. | ||
| And then he realized it was just tightness of his muscle. | ||
| And so then he started stretching and then he got obsessed with stretching. | ||
| And I think he told me he stretches two hours every day now. | ||
| Something bananas like that, but that's very Goggins-esque. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That he would do something that hard two hours a day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's just, it's everything. | ||
| Stretching's everything. | ||
| It's so important. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it sucks. | ||
| There's a thing about it, too, that sucks. | ||
| You know what one sucks for me the most? | ||
| Is when sitting down, grabbing my toes, and flattening my body to my thighs. | ||
| Because it's just, it sucks. | ||
| It sucks to breathe. | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| It's painful. | ||
| But once I do it, I'm like, I did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of those stretches, it's like really bad for the first 30 seconds and then sometimes it gets better. | ||
| Or not, but... | ||
| Yeah, you loosen up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, same thing with doing the splits. | ||
| The door one's really great, where you, like, lean into it and get your shoulders. | ||
| Which one is that? | ||
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How do you do it? | |
| You put your, like, in the door frame, and then you lean. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's great. | ||
| That one's really good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hanging is great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By your hands, on the chin-up bar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My God, that's so good for your shoulders. | ||
| It's like, so many people have shoulder pain, and a lot of it is just like, everything's sort of impacted and tightened up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's hard to stretch those things. | ||
| But just hanging from a chin-up bar, it's like everything sort of like stretches. | ||
| And it feels great for your lower back, too. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| One of my friends is really into the inversion cables and everything. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I love those. | ||
| You know what's the best one? | ||
| Teeter makes the ones that you hang by your ankles with. | ||
| They also make this thing called the Dex. | ||
| Do you know what that is? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| It's the shit. | ||
| You put your legs in it, almost like a leg curl thing, and then it hinges forward. | ||
| And so you're hanging just from your hips. | ||
| The thing about the inversion table is you're hanging by your ankles. | ||
| It's great, it does loosen everything up, but this specifically targets your back. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| It's phenomenal. | ||
| It reminds me of that ab crunch. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| And you can do back extensions on that thing too. | ||
| You can use it for that as well if you want to. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| No, it's okay. | ||
| This is definitely good for... | ||
| One of the things with ultra running that I noticed... | ||
| There's a lot of weird things that... | ||
| And one of them is the swollen hands and swollen feet. | ||
| Usually every time after a long run, I'm always putting my feet up above my head. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| Just to try to balance it out. | ||
| That thing though, you feel your back going like pop, pop, pop. | ||
| You feel everything just sort of loosening up and decompressing. | ||
| Love that thing. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| You know what's a great piece of equipment that I just started using recently? | ||
| Let me guess. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Give me a hint. | ||
| It's for your legs? | ||
| Is it... | ||
| Wait, is it the ones... | ||
| Sound like... | ||
| Is it like the ones that puff up and give you a massage? | ||
| No, those are great though. | ||
| Normatec? | ||
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| Those are the shit. | ||
| Yeah, those are great. | ||
| No, this is an actual weightlifting thing. | ||
| Maybe I never even heard of it then. | ||
| It's called monkey feet. | ||
| You know what monkey feet are? | ||
| I have yoga toes. | ||
| Totally different. | ||
| Yoga toes stretches your toes out. | ||
| That's great for your feet. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Those are legit. | ||
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I like that. | |
| I do too. | ||
| Monkey feet's a different thing. | ||
| It's actually a harness that you put onto the bottom of your sneaker or your shoe and then underneath it you can hold a dumbbell. | ||
| So it's almost like you can hold something with your foot because this thing grasps the dumbbell at the bottom. | ||
| I need to see this. | ||
| Yeah, and what it's great for is your hip flexors. | ||
| You can lift like this. | ||
| You're lifting weights up with your legs and doing leg curls with it. | ||
| It's phenomenal. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| And it's amazing how fucking weak your legs are. | ||
| In those ways. | ||
| Even if you do a lot of squats, I can squat and deadlift and put some pretty heavy weight on the rack, but this is like 25 pounds, it's difficult for me to do a leg curl. | ||
| I'm like, oh, this is shocking. | ||
| Because I was like, these dumbbells, like 25 pounds, they're probably not going to be enough. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| I'm probably going to have to curl like 75, 80 pounds. | ||
| No. | ||
| 25 pounds. | ||
| I'm like, five reps in. | ||
| I'm like, oh shit. | ||
| I'm falling apart here. | ||
| Seven, eight. | ||
| I'm like, that's crazy. | ||
| 25 pounds is nothing. | ||
| I thought, my legs carry me around all day. | ||
| But it's such an odd way for you to lift weights with your legs. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| So this is it. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, so you hook that thing onto your sneaker, and then the barbell, or the dumbbell rather, at the bottom hooks onto this thing, and it's easy to take on and off. | ||
| It's really well engineered. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| What if you just have ankle weights? | ||
| How is this better than ankle weights? | ||
| Oh, ankle weights are okay. | ||
| But it's hard to get ankle weights in 25, 35 pounds, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Most ankle weights are like 5'10". | ||
| This is better. | ||
| And I just think it's phenomenal. | ||
| I've been using it recently over the last few weeks. | ||
| And I'm very impressed. | ||
| And I'm impressed at how fucking sore my thighs are afterwards. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As I'm doing this thing, there's this guy, he's got a, it's called Knees Over Toes. | ||
| He's got this protocol for strengthening your knees. | ||
| And it's crazy what this guy can accomplish. | ||
| Physically, like what he's capable of, and this is a guy that's had a ton of different surgeries, and one of his key moves, like these kind of moves, where they would always tell you, don't ever have your knees over your toes when you squat. | ||
| And he's like, no, the reason why is because your knees aren't stable. | ||
| Build your way up to that, but then work those muscles, and you get phenomenal strength, what he calls dense strength, in your legs. | ||
| Look what he could do with his hamstrings. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Oh, it's wild. | ||
| He goes all the way down forward and then can lift himself up. | ||
| And he can also go all the way back. | ||
| So he can be on his knees and fall all the way back so his back touches the back of his heels. | ||
| And then, without using his hands, come back up. | ||
| Watch him do this, because this is fucking crazy. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| All the way down. | ||
| Now watch, he goes all the way to the bottom, and then comes all the way back up again. | ||
| That's incredibly difficult to do. | ||
| So I've been doing this guy's workouts, and he has them all available for free on his Instagram. | ||
| You can see how he's doing it, or you can sign up for their program. | ||
| What does ATG stand for? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Athletic Truth Group, I think? | ||
| Yeah, click on that. | ||
| On that one, click on that because there's a guy that's doing that guy in the middle. | ||
| Watch that guy. | ||
| Watch this because this is crazy. | ||
| Now this is what they'd hope you do. | ||
| Where you can go from your toes all the way down to your knees like that. | ||
| But watch. | ||
| He goes all the way to the bottom. | ||
| This is completely controlled. | ||
| Now watch. | ||
| He goes all the way down and back. | ||
| And then all the way back up. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I bet they have really good fail videos about this one. | ||
| Yeah, but it's a slow build. | ||
| That's why you need to follow the program. | ||
| But look what it says in his quote there, Jamie. | ||
| This is not an example of a training session of how I got here. | ||
| This is simply a test of what I've been working on for the past three years at Athletic Truth Group on Instagram. | ||
| Because I never worked through pain on this entire journey to get to this point, which is really amazing. | ||
| But as a person who's been doing athletics and stretching my whole life, I'm super impressed by that movement. | ||
| That's a very, very difficult movement to control, and that guy's doing it super slow. | ||
| They do a lot of split squats, and the idea of these split squats, and they're working their way to that place where you can put weight... | ||
| And as it goes lower and lower and lower, you're putting more and more pressure on the knee and on the surrounding stabilizing muscles. | ||
| But I've had a big improvement just from doing this. | ||
| I've been doing this, following this protocol for the past few months. | ||
| And just my knees just feel stronger. | ||
| Like everything around it feels more stable and stronger. | ||
| I think what's encouraging about that too is him saying he never felt pain through it. | ||
| And I think, I mean, that's so cliche, but like, no pain, no gain. | ||
| Like, that's a message that doesn't always apply and is actually... | ||
| Take it from a woman who rode across the entire fucking ocean, okay? | ||
| That no pain, no gain is for nonsense people. | ||
| I mean, pain is our body giving us a helpful message. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, hey dude, settle down. | ||
| Well, there's so many guys that, you know, especially guys, they just want to be the person who can take the most pain, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They want to pump each other up. | ||
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| I mean, pain tolerance is a helpful thing for, like, doing athletic things, for sure. | ||
| Especially for events, right? | ||
| Like, when you're doing these hundred-mile runs, you're going to experience discomfort. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I would say, like, even in a 100-mile run, I think what's hardest is the first 10 miles. | ||
| Because what I don't have is endorphins. | ||
| And endorphins give you energy. | ||
| Endorphins mask pain. | ||
| Endorphins, like, I think, yeah, what's, you know, some... | ||
| Yeah, like, you assume that the farther you go, the harder it is, but sometimes the farther I go, the easier it gets, which is kind of cool to experience. | ||
| That makes sense, I guess, up to a point. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But those, like, Moab 240s? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, after a while, I would imagine, like, Jesus... | ||
| I think anything after 24 hours is when things start getting weird just like hallucinating and like sometimes it's the blurred vision. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just because it's messing with your body's natural systems of like we need sleep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's cool to see how you can take these extreme things and make it tolerable for your body. | ||
| And, like, even liquids. | ||
| Like, I don't eat food when I do these things. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| No. | ||
| Just all sports drinks. | ||
| Gels? | ||
| Do you take any protein gels or glucose? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's mainly, like, sports drink. | ||
| One of them is called Perpetuum, which has a little bit of protein. | ||
| And then sometimes I get, like, this flavored-less sports drink and... | ||
| I don't know if this is true, but I've read certain things about 30% of what you consume is used to break down and use it. | ||
| If you're eating food, there's a percent that is used to be able to break down that food. | ||
| So I think it's really helpful to do liquid-based because you don't have to break that down. | ||
| So more energy can go to movement rather than food. | ||
| And is this something that you've experienced through trial and error? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've definitely... | ||
| I think the hardest thing is just, like, getting enough calories in. | ||
| And getting enough and not also having, like, GI issues. | ||
| Because I think that's common. | ||
| Just, like... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I know a lot of people do those little cheeseburgers and all kinds of stuff while they're running. | ||
| Yeah, I have done that for like Iron Man's, but the more I do it, the more I just kind of treat it like a little science experiment where it's like, okay, what's 30% of what I'm burning and what's like, yeah. | ||
| And if you adjust to the liquid only, I think it ends up being a lot better. | ||
| Less can go wrong. | ||
| Yeah, when you say not getting enough calories, when you have a drink, how many calories are in one of those drinks? | ||
| I want to say at least 300 calories. | ||
| It would seem like you need a lot more than that. | ||
| Well, I've heard that if you take in too much, your body can't even use it. | ||
| While you're running, you mean? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, that and bananas. | ||
| Bananas is a big one? | ||
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| Bananas and sports drink. | ||
| That's all I need. | ||
| Now, did you learn how to eat for these things? | ||
| Did you start off, did you have some bad ideas that you had to like flush out? | ||
| Um, one time I did do an Ironman and the coach that I was working with is like, it's like you went to the buffet and just had a little bit of everything and like, because I think I had like, like those, not like turkey jerky, but like, Just, like, that kind of thing, and then fruity things, and, um, yeah. | ||
| I think I was so nervous, and I was like, okay, I need to make sure I have sugar and salt and this, and so, um, that definitely, like, it's not that I had to stop, but it just was like, I didn't feel as good and, um, Yeah, I've definitely felt nauseous during some of these races, but it doesn't help with Ironman that you're kind of hunched over and it's hard to keep anything down. | ||
| A lot of people can't even keep things down when they're working out at that level. | ||
| Yeah, I can only imagine. | ||
| What is your diet like normally? | ||
| Um, right now I am vegetarian. | ||
| So, um, I mean, it's nothing special. | ||
| It's just kind of generally healthy. | ||
| So vegetarian. | ||
| So you include eggs? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you have chickens? | ||
| If you have chickens, it's the best move. | ||
| It's like your pets. | ||
| They give you food. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, I read something recently about, like, the conditions for people who are working at, like, animal processing plants and how, like, it kind of, like, animal processing plants and how, like, it kind of, like, there's a certain kind of, like, PTSD that they experience and how, like, how mentally it affects if your job is to kill animals all day. | ||
| Oh yeah How can you... | ||
| I just... | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can't imagine that being good for someone to kill all day long and, like, how that messes with them psychologically. | ||
| So, for me... | ||
| One of the first things they look for in serial killers. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Like, I was... | ||
| Torture animals. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, once I started reading stuff like that, I was like, that's okay. | ||
| I don't want to, like... | ||
| And I know I could, like, hunt and do those things, but being vegetarian is... | ||
| I bet you'd enjoy that, the hunting thing, because it's really difficult. | ||
| I bet you'd find that quite challenging, like an elk hunt. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like I would feel for the animal, though. | ||
| You would feel for the animal. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But you would eat it for a whole year. | ||
| Probably more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why large animals are the way to go. | ||
| Because it's one death, and you can eat it all year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of my friends just, uh, he got in the lottery, like in Maine, you have a lottery that you could, yeah. | ||
| And he got in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a hard tag to get in Maine. | ||
| So once in a lifetime tag, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's been trying to get on it for years and finally did. | ||
| Maine has some whopper moose, too. | ||
| Like, if you shoot a moose, you might eat it for two years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're talking about an animal that could be, you know, 1,500 pounds plus, and that's on the hoof, probably like 600 pounds of meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| It's a pound of meat almost every day for two years. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| It's wild, yeah. | ||
| It's the best meat in the world for you, too. | ||
| It's also just, you understand where meat comes from. | ||
| You have a much deeper connection to your food than if you're just going and buying Chick-fil-A. Totally. | ||
| Yeah, we're fucking weird. | ||
| What we're doing with animals is weird in this country. | ||
| And our solution might be even weirder. | ||
| There's two solutions, right? | ||
| One of them is to pretend that this slop that's pushed into a patty is some kind of a meat product when it's beyond meat. | ||
| It's beyond good for you. | ||
| That shit's terrible for you. | ||
| If you want to eat vegetarian, you should eat actual, real, whole food. | ||
| Eat real vegetables. | ||
| Vegetables are good for you. | ||
| That shit's not good for you. | ||
| They've done these studies on rats, and with one of those substitute meat burgers, they've shown increasing liver cancer and all these problems these rats are having. | ||
| The other one that's weird is lab-grown meat. | ||
| That's strange to me. | ||
| But sounds like it might be a way better alternative than factory farming if they can get it right. | ||
| But it just seems like, wow, we're moving so close to headless things that you just saw parts off of and they're twitching and trying to get away. | ||
| But it doesn't matter because they don't have a head. | ||
| So what are you worried about? | ||
| It's just nerves. | ||
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| The connection that you have to your food when you grow your own vegetables, when you harvest your own meat, that it's a different thing. | ||
| Food becomes a different thing. | ||
| It becomes a spiritual thing. | ||
| That sounds crazy for people to hear. | ||
| If I eat a piece of elk from an animal that I kill, I'm connected to that. | ||
| I remember the arrow hitting the animal. | ||
| I remember carrying it out. | ||
| I remember stalking it. | ||
| I remember everything. | ||
| And I eat it for a year! | ||
| I give it to my friends. | ||
| It's like the food is a different thing. | ||
| If you grow a garden and you have a salad that you pulled from your garden while you're eating that salad, you're connected to that. | ||
| You planted it. | ||
| You cleaned it. | ||
| You harvest it. | ||
| Like if a leaf drops on the ground, you pick it up and you wash it off. | ||
| You don't throw it away. | ||
| You grew that leaf. | ||
| There's something... | ||
| We're doing ourselves a severe disservice. | ||
| And I know most people can't be involved in all of the preparation or the harvesting of their food. | ||
| They just don't have the time. | ||
| They have a family, they have a job, they have this, they have that. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But if you can, if you can find the time to grow your own food, if you can find the time, if you eat meat to hunt, I highly recommend it. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Like the college that I went to actually was a farm school. | ||
| So we worked the farm and then we had like a community service component and like ran the school. | ||
| But we had our own plots of land and the cafeteria was all from like the cattle. | ||
| And so it was very crunchy granola. | ||
| But once you taste food, that's like that it's hard not to eat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eat that again. | ||
| Tastes better and you just feel better about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You appreciate it. | ||
| Yes, you appreciate it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're like some spoiled trust fund kids, their perception of money. | ||
| It's always there. | ||
| That's how we feel about meat and food. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's real recent. | ||
| Human beings have only been allowed to have this luxury over the last 100 years and not really even 100 years. | ||
| It's really been over the last 50 or 60. And correspondingly, we've gotten way fatter. | ||
| If you look at people from the 1930s and 1940s, my goodness, those people look slim. | ||
| I mean, they weren't healthy. | ||
| It was hard to get food back then. | ||
| It was difficult, right? | ||
| A lot of people were fucking starving in the 1800s, right? | ||
| But people now, it's like, this is not the better option to be eating so much that you're fat. | ||
| We're so weird that our poor people are fat. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| That's never happened before. | ||
| Usually, like, the cheaper food is the not healthy. | ||
| Like, it's harder to... | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| I mean, wouldn't you agree that, like, it's... | ||
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| Poor people having to be dealing with obesity is usually because of the, like, what is the, it's like called a food desert when there's places that they don't even have fresh foods. | ||
| So I think, yeah, like, if you lack financial resources, that's even more reason that you wouldn't be able to access that. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| Not only that, it's a terrible cycle to try to get out of. | ||
| If you grow up in that environment, you live in that environment, and you grow up eating that way, and your family eats that way, and the people around you eat that way, and everyone around you is poor, it's super hard to get out of that. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I mean, you kind of adjust to that. | ||
| I don't know, how certain fast foods have things that make it so that you're more addicted to... | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| A lot of sugar. | ||
| There's sugar and all that stuff. | ||
| It's also, you know, like we were talking about before that I've, from having all these conversations with people, my box, my understanding of human beings is way wider. | ||
| It's way different. | ||
| Because I've experienced all these people. | ||
| If you only experience a small number of people, your box would be very small that you put people in. | ||
| Well, if your environment is so important and if your environment is very limiting and if you're only experiencing bad food and shitty people and poverty and being in this weird crime-ridden area, that's your box. | ||
| It's very hard for a person like that to escape. | ||
| It's very hard for a person like that to recalibrate their view of the world. | ||
| And I don't understand why we don't put more effort into trying to expand the box that these people live in. | ||
| The perspective that these people have. | ||
| Because it would benefit everybody. | ||
| And I don't I've always said this, and I was saying this when Trump was in office and he was like, make America great again. | ||
| This is how you make America great again. | ||
| Make it so there's less losers. | ||
| Less people lose at life. | ||
| And I don't mean losers like there's something wrong with them. | ||
| I mean like they got a bad hand. | ||
| If you're playing poker, And you have four aces, and I have a one. | ||
| I'm fucked, right? | ||
| And that's a lot of people's lives. | ||
| Well, if you have more people who have better hands, then you have a better, stronger country because you have more competition, you have more opportunity, you have more exceptional people. | ||
| Through that competition, more people are going to rise, more people are going to innovate, more people are going to create businesses and chase their dreams, and it's going to inspire more people, you're going to have less crime. | ||
| It's great for everybody. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But for whatever reason, There's zero political emphasis on this. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| It's never a factor. | ||
| Whenever people are running for president, they're never saying, what we gotta do is take these impoverished communities and fucking fix that. | ||
| We need to fix that, because it can be fixed. | ||
| If we can go to Afghanistan and send thousands of troops and nuclear bombs, Tell me we can't fix Chicago. | ||
| Tell me we can't fix South Side of Chicago. | ||
| Tell me we can't fix Detroit or Baltimore. | ||
| Pick your impoverished neighborhood that's been crime ridden for decade after decade after decade with almost no federal emphasis on repair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if there's one area you think our country could improve the most and what change would you think? | ||
| Well, there's a bunch of errors, right? | ||
| But that's a big one. | ||
| A big one is the way people grow up and the environment they grow up in and the people that grow up without hope and what they're imitating. | ||
| Because people imitate their atmosphere when they're children, they grow up. | ||
| You're seeing people that are constantly going to jail, constantly involved in violence, constantly involved in crime, and you become acclimated to that. | ||
| That's what you're used to. | ||
| That needs to be fixed. | ||
| If you grow up in, you know, pick a nice place, you know, some Boulder, Colorado, or whatever, it's not like that, right? | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's kind people. | ||
| Everybody's friendly. | ||
| It's different, right? | ||
| Because you don't have the same pressure. | ||
| You don't have gangs in Boulder. | ||
| You don't have all the, you know, so these places, it's just literally a matter of, the universe gave you a shitty roll of the dice, and you were born into a bad neighborhood. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I guess one of my encouragements in that is like sometimes like when you have, like you said, Boulder, Colorado, everyone's friendly and do like the nice things, right? | ||
| Not everyone. | ||
| But the nice things, like sometimes there's the diamond in the rough and sometimes under that pressure, something can be born that wouldn't be born without all the chaos and all the... | ||
| And so maybe those, while I would never wish poverty well, I would never wish crime and all those heartaches, I have seen the stories. | ||
| I have, you know, I think anyone can identify with, oh, this thing was really hard, but then this beautiful thing came from it. | ||
| So, yes, and I think some of the biggest redemption stories come from places where something is so broken that someone rises to do something about it or, I don't know. | ||
| You know what I mean, right? | ||
| I do know what you're saying, that through pressure you create diamonds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But I don't want everyone to have to do that. | ||
| I feel like you can make your own pressure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, look at you. | ||
| You've made your own pressure, right? | ||
| I think that challenges are very good for people, but I don't necessarily think the kind of challenges that you get if you're born in the south side of Chicago and you're watching people get shot all the time. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I don't think that's... | ||
| But out of those environments comes a pretty amazing exceptional people because they've risen through all these obstacles and through that adversity they've gained tremendous character. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You get amazing artists, right? | ||
| You get amazing musicians and comedians and those kinds of people that have come from these horrible environments. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| It's almost like you hear that more than you hear, like, oh, everything was perfect, this thing happened. | ||
| Like, this great... | ||
| From exceptional people, you mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say that's a common thread. | ||
| Do you want to have children someday? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| When you have children, one of the things that's ironic is, for me at least, all my favorite people came from a fucked up environment. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| All of them came from either crime-ridden neighborhoods or horrible upbringings or chaos. | ||
| And through that, they've developed this amazing character. | ||
| Because most of my favorite people are either... | ||
| Fighters, martial artists, or stand-up comedians. | ||
| That's most of the group that I hang around with. | ||
| And they're all from chaos. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| But through that, I'm just so lucky that I know these exceptional people that are just... | ||
| They're so... | ||
| They're so battle-tested. | ||
| And then some people are just made out of Jell-O. Some people, they're little bags, little skinny, fucking thin-walled, like, Ziploc bags of Jell-O. There's no character, no form, and they just don't have any ability to weather the storm. | ||
| Because they never have had to. | ||
| It's like the character has to be tested for it to... | ||
| So as a parent, it's so fucked up because I don't want my kids to struggle. | ||
| But it's like how else? | ||
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| I don't want them to have a hard time. | ||
| I want them to be happy and I want them to be loved and I want them to have good friends and I want them to pursue their dreams and have a good time. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| Everybody to have a good time. | ||
| But all my favorite people came from madness. | ||
| So it's weird. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So I think... | ||
| I encourage my kids to do difficult things. | ||
| And they do. | ||
| They do do difficult things. | ||
| They're interested in challenges. | ||
| And you develop character through those challenges. | ||
| And I think that's why sports are so important for people. | ||
| Because some of the most fucked up people that I know, in terms of psychologically and their ability to cope and adapt and form relationships, they never competed. | ||
| They don't know how to lose. | ||
| And they consider, because I think there's something in human beings where competing is an inherent, it's a part of your DNA in some strange way. | ||
| And I think, like, it comes from survival. | ||
| I think it comes from stealing and conquering and taking from one person because you don't have enough. | ||
| And there's this weird sort of thing that humans evolved doing when they were just scratching and scrounging before civilization came along. | ||
| And civilization came along and then it calmed down a little bit because it's like it's less important to do that and more important that everybody stick together and keep the wall strong to keep the invaders from coming in. | ||
| But if you don't know how to lose, if you don't know how to pick yourself back up and try again, you're not going to be good at relationships. | ||
| You're not going to be good at compromise. | ||
| You're not going to be good at understanding defeat. | ||
| You're not going to be good at understanding objective analysis of your own behavior, objective analysis of your skill set. | ||
| The people who can't do that are almost all people that have never had those super uncomfortable moments where you do lose. | ||
| I think those are hugely valuable lessons for people. | ||
| I was listening to a TED talk and it was about like this guy who set out on a quest to fail and like it at the end it was so hard for him to like or be rejected and like yeah it's almost like our society is so like all about success and like just kind of I know that TED talk you're talking about yeah and he had to try to go to the neighbors and he wanted to like plant a shrub in their front yard and they're Like, | ||
| no, but this lady down the street would love it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And she says no. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But, like, that is a beautiful thing. | ||
| And, like, I think, yeah, on any journey to be successful, it's like you have to really get comfortable being unsuccessful or failure. | ||
| Just being okay with failure. | ||
| Yeah, it's important. | ||
| You only get the peaks if you've experienced the valleys. | ||
| You don't get those peaks if you're just on a fucking peak all the time. | ||
| What's the biggest failure that was hard for you to bounce back from? | ||
| I've had a lot of them. | ||
| I don't know where to start. | ||
| As a comedian, you have a lot of them because you bomb a lot, especially in the beginning. | ||
| There's a lot of bombing. | ||
| And then before that, I was a martial artist. | ||
| I'm still a martial artist, but I used to fight, so I lost. | ||
| Losing in fights, that's the worst. | ||
| But not just losing in fights, but just losing in training because you're training and you get your ass kicked in the gym. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| I mean, when you lose, it hurts for you. | ||
| Like, when I lose, it doesn't have the same... | ||
| Even when you win, it hurts a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it just hurts everywhere. | ||
| Like, your arms hurt, and you realize, oh, I got kicked there. | ||
| Like, how come I can't pick something up with my left arm? | ||
| And then you realize, like, oh, yeah, I took a shin to my elbow. | ||
| Now my elbow's fucked up for a couple weeks. | ||
| Or I didn't tap out to this arm, and now I can't do a chin-up for a few weeks. | ||
| Because I decided I was going to try to be a meathead and muscle out of something instead of tapping. | ||
| And now I can't do a chin-up. | ||
| Like, and now my neck doesn't work so good because someone caught me in a guillotine. | ||
| Yeah, there's always that. | ||
| I think martial arts are a great vehicle for that. | ||
| What I always say is, and I learned this from my Taekwondo instructor when I was a kid, that martial arts is a vehicle for developing your human potential. | ||
| What you think you're doing is you're trying to win exchanges and fights and sparring rounds. | ||
| But what you're really trying to do is get better. | ||
| You're trying to get better and the problem is presenting itself in the form of this thinking, intelligent person that also can do all the things you can do. | ||
| So you're not kicking an inanimate object. | ||
| You're trying to kick a person who knows that you're trying to kick them. | ||
| And they know how to kick you and they're trying to kick you. | ||
| And so you're both doing it at the same time. | ||
| And it's this wild exchange of bones and technique. | ||
| And the consequences are terrible if you fuck up. | ||
| Do you have a lot of adrenaline when you go into all these fights? | ||
| Well, I haven't done it in a long time. | ||
| Now I just spar. | ||
| And I hardly ever... | ||
| I haven't kickbox sparred in more than a year. | ||
| And the jujitsu sparring is not as scary. | ||
| Because the jujitsu sparring is... | ||
| You're just trying to choke each other. | ||
| And you can always tap. | ||
| The consequences... | ||
| The scary thing about jujitsu is injuring yourself, right? | ||
| It's like you get an ankle rolls and then your knee pops or you get caught in a funny thing and your neck gets fucked up. | ||
| That's what's scary about jujitsu. | ||
| And what's scary for a lot of people that do jujitsu is the idea that you're going to get hurt and you're not going to be able to do it because people get so addicted to it. | ||
| Oh yeah, I feel like the hardest thing is not actually starting, it's stopping. | ||
| And for me, now I'm at a place where it's like, I'm not afraid of going, I'm afraid of going too far. | ||
| Going so far that, I mean, rhabda was the last one. | ||
| Just knowing the limit. | ||
| Have you ever tried any martial arts? | ||
| No. | ||
| You're really strong. | ||
| I'm sure you'd be great at jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| If you could fucking row across the entire... | ||
| I mean, my goodness! | ||
| What kind of core strength and leg strength and shoulder strength you must have. | ||
| You must be strong as fuck. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You have to be. | ||
| To do Ironmans, do all that stuff, and to have that kind of endurance, you'd probably be amazing at Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| You just gotta work on your flexibility. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| No, but you probably would love it. | ||
| I don't know about injury, though. | ||
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Eh. | |
| You know? | ||
| I don't want to... | ||
| You don't get injured all the time, you know? | ||
| It seems like you get more injured than ultra stuff. | ||
| I would imagine you guys get a lot of stress fractures and Goggins sent me some pictures of his fucking knees where he got his knees drained and it was like these three giant tubes of blood that were in his knees. | ||
| I mean giant fucking syringes of blood and pus in his knees. | ||
| Yeah, I've never experienced anything like that. | ||
| Well, he's crazy, though. | ||
| If he's hurt, you're never going to hear about it. | ||
| He's just going to keep going. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| Yeah, I said if he's hurt, you're never going to hear about it. | ||
| He's just going to keep going. | ||
| So he's got all this, you know, injuries compound and just has to get his knees drained. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My friend's a doctor who worked on him, and they sent me pictures of the pus and the blood. | ||
| But why? | ||
| Because his knees swole up from running because he's constantly running like ridiculous miles. | ||
| I know people who run ridiculous miles and do not have whatever that. | ||
| They should run with David Goggins. | ||
| He sends me text messages out of nowhere. | ||
| Stay hard! | ||
| Just out of nowhere. | ||
| Just tells you to stay hard. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Have you ever seen his videos online? | ||
| Well, okay, here's the thing. | ||
| You could have fun. | ||
| You could stay hard, but you could have fun. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| He doesn't have any fun. | ||
| He's not interested in having fun. | ||
| He does have fun. | ||
| I've had fun with him. | ||
| I've taken him to UFC fights. | ||
| We've had dinner together. | ||
| He's fun. | ||
| He's great to hang out with. | ||
| You could run 100 miles and have fun. | ||
| He's not interested in that. | ||
| He's interested in killing demons. | ||
| Some of these, even professional triathletes, like Christy Wellington, she always looks like she's having fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Huge smile. | ||
| David Goggins is interested in taking those demons inside of his head and making them his bitch. | ||
| He could have fun, too. | ||
| He's missing out on some fun. | ||
| Make those demons your bitch! | ||
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Those demons ain't going away! | |
| You ever seen his videos that he has on Instagram? | ||
| Yeah, I see. | ||
| I have seen some of his stuff. | ||
| Do they get you uncomfortable? | ||
|
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Well, I'm just like, we could have fun. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
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There's no fun! | |
| His fun is that. | ||
| That is his fun. | ||
| His fun is making demons his bitch. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I just mean like you could do the same thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you could do them in different ways. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I prefer doing it in a fun way. | ||
| This is a new one? | ||
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Pretty new one. | |
| Go to that one that I put up on my Instagram because it's hilarious. | ||
| I put a bunch of them up. | ||
| But one of the more recent ones that I put up where he was talking about making his demons his bitch. | ||
| That like, you know, he came from a place, I think what's encouraging for his story is like, he was like 300 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He developed this mindset because he was just embarrassed by how weak he felt. | ||
| He just felt like he was weak and he's soft and he allowed himself to get horribly out of shape. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| I think I've seen this one. | ||
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I'm training for life. | |
| 2020 was a perfect example of that. | ||
| A lot of people lost jobs, lost businesses, lost family members. | ||
| A lot of folks spent a lot of time in the hospital on ventilators. | ||
| That should have caused a lot of demons in your brain. | ||
| Folks see how much that work out and they think I'm running from demons. | ||
| It's not demons. | ||
| It's discipline. | ||
| And I'm a disciple of discipline. | ||
| You can't outrun your demons. | ||
| They'll always find you. | ||
| Only way to beat them motherfuckers is to look at them eye to eye and make them your bitch. | ||
| Mindset's the only thing that gets you through hard times. | ||
| Merry fucking Christmas! | ||
| You will not see a video like that. | ||
| I love that guy so much. | ||
| I love him so much. | ||
| I'm just so happy he's out there. | ||
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Make him your bitch! | |
| Look those demons in the eye! | ||
| While he's running! | ||
| And you know, he's really thinking those thoughts. | ||
| That is not insincere. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of people that have these hype-up, motivational things. | ||
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What you need to do with your life is you need to get everything together. | |
| You need to get out there and get motivated and get pumped up and have some positive energy and go out there and attack the world! | ||
| You know, they're full of shit. | ||
| These are empty promises. | ||
| This is a hollow vessel. | ||
| That dude is thinking that while he's saying it, while he's doing it. | ||
| He's in there, he's running, while he's saying those words, he's thinking, I'm making those demons my bitch. | ||
| And he's doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know how people saw that video and just said, fuck it, I'm going out. | ||
| And they just put the running shoes on, they just start running, or they hit the gym, they started doing chin-ups, they started doing something. | ||
| That guy, he is an engine of motivation. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| He makes things happen. | ||
| Just his life, leading by example, makes things happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| I know, but you're not that way. | ||
| But you don't have to be that way. | ||
| You can have a good time and smile through your trials and tribulations. | ||
| I mean, I think what is also underrated is habit. | ||
| There's motivation and then there's habit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Here's what I've experienced about motivation. | ||
| Most people think you have to be motivated before you run 100 miles or before you run a mile or before you do things. | ||
| But I find that motivation happens while or after you begin. | ||
| Like running one mile makes it easier to run the next mile. | ||
| Or like whatever it is, if you're writing a paper, it's a lot easier after you write the first page. | ||
| So like... | ||
| I don't even think motivation is that important. | ||
| Like, you don't need to wait to be motivated to do anything. | ||
| You just do it, and then motivation... | ||
| It's kind of like motivation equals movement, and it's easier to move once you kick the ball, and so the ball just keeps moving. | ||
| So even motivation, it's like, yes, of course, it's important, but if you just say, oh, I'm just going to do it, and motivation will eventually show up, it's kind of like you're... | ||
| I don't know if motivation... | ||
| Do you see what I mean? | ||
| I completely agree with you that motivation is not primary. | ||
| Discipline is primary. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Motivation is like feelings. | ||
| We don't say, oh, do I feel like brushing my teeth today? | ||
| Do I feel like doing this? | ||
| Sometimes it's just like you make a choice, and whether you feel or don't feel, you've already just made a commitment, and you just understand that sometimes you feel or don't feel, but eh. | ||
| I completely agree with you. | ||
| I feel like motivation is like, for me it's dessert. | ||
| What's important is the food. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I like dessert too. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So motivation is dessert. | ||
| So sometimes I just like motivation. | ||
| Sometimes I just want to listen to some fucking crazy music and watch fights on the TV and work out like a monster. | ||
| Just go crazy. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And I need motivation. | ||
| Like, that's my motivation. | ||
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Like, argh! | |
| And go crazy. | ||
| But the bulk of the work gets done where I, like, have a cup of coffee, I get up in the morning, and I don't want to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not feeling like, oh, I'm going to go work out like a fucking savage. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm not thinking that. | ||
| But I have a schedule. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so, like, especially, like, my kickboxing workout days, I know exactly what I have to do. | ||
| So I start the timer, and I have three rounds of shadowboxing with weights. | ||
| So I do the three rounds, and then I have six rounds on the Wrecking Ball bag, and then I have six rounds on the Thai bag. | ||
| And then by the time I'm done with the Wrecking Ball bag, I am nine rounds in, I'm soaked with sweat, music is playing, and now I'm going. | ||
| Now I'm going. | ||
| Now everything is super energetic. | ||
| But it's because I made myself do it. | ||
| Because in the beginning, I work out most of the time at 9 in the morning. | ||
| I want to work out at 9 in the morning. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| But I have to do that. | ||
| So I do that. | ||
| And just one foot in front of the other, and next thing you know, it's happening. | ||
| What I love about the kickboxing workout days, when I do those, is I have a timer. | ||
| I have this title. | ||
| There's a company that makes this boxing timer. | ||
| And it shows me a red light when I don't have to go and a green light when I go. | ||
| And the green light goes on. | ||
| It goes ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. | ||
| And then I have three rounds of savagery. | ||
| And then after that, it'll give me a whole minute where I can drink water and rest. | ||
| And I know it's coming. | ||
| Here it comes. | ||
| And ding, ding, ding! | ||
| Round starts again. | ||
| So I'm on a schedule. | ||
| I can't deviate. | ||
| The schedule's clear. | ||
| It's right in front of you. | ||
| You have to do it. | ||
| So that's like... | ||
| Like, schedules are really important. | ||
| Like, you can't say, oh, I'm going to work out. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| You know, fucking write it out, bitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Write down what you're going to do. | ||
| And then just go do that. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And then once you start doing it, once you're a couple steps in, three, four movements in, you know, you're on your third set, you're on your fifth set, then you're in it. | ||
| Then you're in it. | ||
| Then you're sweating. | ||
| Then everything's going. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But for someone who's maybe really thinking like, I gotta get my shit together. | ||
| I don't know what's wrong with me. | ||
| You watch a video like that. | ||
| That is where motivation comes in. | ||
| Motivation is like those embers. | ||
| Those very first few embers. | ||
| You can't heat your fucking house with embers. | ||
| You need logs. | ||
| You need a fire. | ||
| You need to chop the wood. | ||
| You need to do all that work. | ||
| But sometimes people just need a video. | ||
| They need something. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And just, I think, just seeing someone else do it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because then you're not the person, like, if you see someone else, then you're like, okay, if he's doing it, I can too. | ||
| But, yeah, I've watched videos like that when I was training to do, like, pull-ups and just seeing, because, yeah, I felt like that. | ||
| How many pull-ups can you do in a row? | ||
| Right now, I don't think I could do more than the couple. | ||
| What was at your best? | ||
| Like 10. That's pretty good. | ||
| Oh, cool. | ||
| Don't you think? | ||
| The most push-ups was like 50, and then the most... | ||
| Wow, that's a lot. | ||
| I was happy about that one. | ||
| That's pretty good. | ||
| Because it was for Coast Guard training, and that was the maximum that the females could do. | ||
| That's the maximum they let you do? | ||
| That you can get to get... | ||
| We get tested on... | ||
| For officer training, we were tested for running, sit-ups, and push-ups. | ||
| So push-ups, you're the top of the food chain. | ||
| Yeah, that's impressive. | ||
| That's 50s a lot. | ||
| But for a woman, 10 chin-ups is a lot. | ||
| That's, you know, strict chin-ups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| I was definitely training for that and, like, for a summer. | ||
| When I see those CrossFit, those kipping ones, I was like, I don't know if that's the way to do it. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, there's probably a benefit in that. | ||
| There's something to it. | ||
| It does look weird, though. | ||
| Well, you know, there's a guy named Fedor Melianenko. | ||
| He's probably one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time. | ||
| He used to be the heavyweight champion of Pride. | ||
| And I used to watch him do that. | ||
| He always did those kipping pull-ups. | ||
| I would probably have made fun of them if I didn't see Fedor doing them. | ||
| I'm like, maybe there's something to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But it seems like it's not as hard. | ||
| I mean, when I was, like, specifically trying to do it, I would definitely be, like, when I was going down, that was when I would try to take as much time versus even going up. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that seems like the way to do it. | ||
| Do you ever do CrossFit or anything like that? | ||
| I have done it in the, like, sometimes in the winters I'll do it, but I mainly like doing body weight. | ||
| Like, right now I'm doing a lot of barre, which, like you were saying earlier, like... | ||
| That's B-A-R-R-E, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For people at home? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, what does she mean? | ||
| She goes to the barre? | ||
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What the fuck does that mean? | |
| But some of these workouts, I'm only using five pound weights and I could totally blow out my muscle groups and stuff. | ||
| I have these egg weights that I shadow box with. | ||
| They're five pounds. | ||
| Five pounds in each hand. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Especially the ones where you're like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't need a lot of weight for a lot of extras. | ||
| Especially when your shoulders are extended with weight. | ||
| Like when you do I's, Y's, and T's. | ||
| You know those? | ||
| You don't need like 15 pounds. | ||
| It's a lot when you're doing those. | ||
| It seems like it shouldn't be, but it is. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Definitely the shoulder stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can tell, like, all you need is 5'10". | ||
| Yeah, a small amount of weight. | ||
| I use, do you know what club bells are? | ||
| You ever use those? | ||
| They're these, like, it's like a club. | ||
| Like a small baseball bat made out of steel. | ||
| And I do a crazy workout with them with 15 pounds. | ||
| Where it's called, you know what a shield cast is? | ||
| No, this is fancy stuff. | ||
| Shield cast is like, if you had it in your hand like this, like this, if this was the bar, you'd go like this, around, and then you hold it in front, and then you hold it in front like that. | ||
| And it's amazing for shoulder mobility and shoulder strength and endurance, and it's really good stuff. | ||
| And it's 15 pounds. | ||
| It's like if someone's like, alright, we're going to work out hard today, pick up the 15 pounds, people are like, get out of here, bitch. | ||
| He's doing a two-hander one. | ||
| So he's doing it with a, that looks like a heavier club. | ||
| That looks like probably maybe 25 or maybe even 35 pounds, which is a great way to work out, too, for the 35 pounds. | ||
| And again, people would say, 35 pounds? | ||
| I need shit, bro. | ||
| I need heavier. | ||
| Have you been able to do workouts with people on your show, like David Goggins? | ||
| I worked out with some people on the show. | ||
| Cam Haynes is a good buddy of mine. | ||
| We've worked out a bunch of times. | ||
| The runner? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's a bow hunter. | ||
| He's a weird guy in a good way. | ||
| He got into running so he could have more endurance for bow hunting because he hunts elk in the mountains. | ||
| He considers that the ultimate challenge. | ||
| Yeah, so all of his endurance and all of his 100-mile races and all that shit, he got into all that, all of his crazy workout routines and lifting weights routines. | ||
| He got into that entirely to be the best bowhunter on Earth, and he arguably is. | ||
| He's certainly in the top three. | ||
| This is a tight argument for who's number one. | ||
| I tend to think he's number one because there's no one else who could do the stuff that he does on top of that, the physical things he does on top of that. | ||
| So he can get to places that other people... | ||
| Sometimes you'll see an elk, they'll cross a ridge, and you have to get to them before they get to a valley where they'll be out in the open. | ||
| He can get there quicker than anybody can. | ||
| And he can get there and not be tired. | ||
| So he could literally run after this animal, and his heart rate will be at a totally manageable level. | ||
| Whereas if I went after it, I'd be fucking dead. | ||
| Or fat guys, fucked. | ||
| He can get to places quicker. | ||
| And so his idea was... | ||
| I need to be in the best possible shape that I can to be the most successful. | ||
| It's something that generally has a less than 10% success rate is bow hunting for elk. | ||
| For the average person. | ||
| Not for a person like him, but for the average person. | ||
| But even a person like him, he's never unsuccessful. | ||
| Like every year he's successful, which is just nuts. | ||
| Like most people, you know, every year or two you come up empty because it's hard. | ||
| It's a hard thing to do. | ||
| Even if you're really good at it and you practice all the time, it's a difficult pursuit. | ||
| So his thing is very different than other people's thing because he's not doing it just to test himself. | ||
| He is definitely doing that, but he's also doing it because he wants to be the best bow hunter on earth. | ||
| So is that common for bow hunters to also train with like doing running? | ||
| It is because of him. | ||
| He's changed the world, like literally. | ||
| The world of bow hunting is forever changed because of him, 100%. | ||
| Yeah, he's got countless people out there, men and women, that are training. | ||
| They're doing like rocking up hills with weights on their back. | ||
| They're doing all kinds of crazy different weightlifting workouts and running workouts and all these different things so that they can be fit. | ||
| In fact, since he started doing it, he's been doing it for decades, but they've actually developed these athletic contests that have to do with getting fit just for hunting. | ||
| So there's a bunch of different organizations that provide various workouts specifically designed for mountain hunters. | ||
| Because you're dealing with high altitude, very steep inclines, very difficult terrain. | ||
| You have to be fit. | ||
| It's the number one problem when I've talked to my friends that are guides that know the terrain and take people professionally to hunt. | ||
| I go, what's the number one problem? | ||
| It's like fitness. | ||
| The number one problem with the clients is fitness. | ||
| Because a lot of these people just can't keep up. | ||
| I wonder if they have similar workouts to firefighters and just carrying gear and stairs. | ||
| They say it's legs and lungs. | ||
| Those are the two most important things for an elk hunter to be successful. | ||
| Legs and lungs. | ||
| You have to have leg endurance and you have to have cardiovascular fitness. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And those are things that most men hate to work on. | ||
| You know, everybody just wants to be fucking jacked. | ||
| They don't want to look good. | ||
| But that's pretty easy. | ||
| It's like lifting weights, like that kind of lifting weights, like to be pumped, it's not easy. | ||
| You know, if it was easy, everybody would do it. | ||
| But it's way easier than running up hills. | ||
| Like running up hills is fucking terrible. | ||
| It is the worst. | ||
| But running down hills is really fun. | ||
| You like running down hills? | ||
| So I officiated my friend's wedding on Mount Rainier. | ||
| And the last three miles were like snow fields. | ||
| And we brought tarps and we were like luging down. | ||
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Oh wow. | |
| It was amazing. | ||
| That sounds fun. | ||
| But then the rest of it you could like run down. | ||
| It's, yeah, running down hills is really cool. | ||
| You should try. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You just feel like you're flying. | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| It seems like a lot of pounding though. | ||
| Is it pounding on your knees? | ||
| I think it's kind of like similar to if you were like jumping on a trampoline or very light and springy as long as you're not locking out your knees. | ||
| Yeah, I say yes, but like I'm also a midfoot runner, so I think that helps. | ||
| As opposed to a heel runner? | ||
| Yeah, heel striker. | ||
| I think like heel striking is like three times the impact. | ||
| Yeah, must be. | ||
| Terrible for you. | ||
| Isn't that amazing that that's all because of Nike? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then they made the running shoe and made the heel part fat so you could run on your heels and they changed people's gait. | ||
| Yeah, well, now shoes are different for sure. | ||
| But it's pretty bizarre that they did that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like people forever ran on the balls of their feet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, yeah, now looking back, it's like, well, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| It's where all the padding is and how we walk when we're not in shoes. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, what's crazy is that your foot is designed as a spring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it actually reduces the impact. | ||
| It actually catches you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And lets it, you know, lets it just decelerate. | ||
| They're definitely getting better with like the wider toe boxes too. | ||
| So that you can actually use your toes and splay them out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wider toe boxes are big. | ||
| I have wide feet. | ||
| So for me that's very important. | ||
| Like narrow running shoes. | ||
| I was running on those Vibrams for a while. | ||
| Those five toe shoes. | ||
| You don't like those? | ||
| You can... | ||
| Look at your face. | ||
| You don't like the way they look, or you don't like the way they feel? | ||
| Wait, are those those little toe jam ones? | ||
| Yeah, the toe shoes. | ||
| You don't like the way they look? | ||
| I don't like the way they feel. | ||
| Like, toe jam. | ||
| They're toe jam shoes. | ||
| Like, because they feel like something's stuck in between your toes. | ||
| Yeah, like, it's not supposed to be there. | ||
| But do you think there's any benefit to each toe being able to articulate? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Like, you're using different muscles in your feet and your legs. | ||
| And so, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Because if you don't have that, you know... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| Have you ever seen that image of, it's the early 1900s, Native American Thorpe? | ||
| Jim Thorpe. | ||
| Jim Thorpe. | ||
| Jim Thorpe when he won the Olympics. | ||
| He won the Olympics and someone had stolen his shoes. | ||
| So he found a pair of shoes in the garbage and they were mismatched and one of them was bigger than the other one. | ||
| So on one of them he wore two socks. | ||
| He had like extra socks on one of them and they're two different colors and he won the fucking gold medal with these shoes. | ||
| He needs an extra medal for that. | ||
| And they look like shoes that people wore when they would like work in an office or something. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| That is hilarious. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| When he won the fucking gold medal in the Olympics with those shoes on. | ||
| Been better off being barefoot though? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Looks like he's got spikes in them things. | ||
| See? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Doesn't that look like spikes in the front of both of them? | ||
| Totally does, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| I've definitely done like that. | ||
| 1912 Olympics. | ||
| Jim, pull that up a little. | ||
| Jim, an American Indian from Oklahoma, represented in the U.S. in track and field. | ||
| In the morning of his competitions, his shoes were stolen. | ||
| Probably by the fucking Russians. | ||
| Jim ended up finding two shoes in a garbage can. | ||
| That's the pair. | ||
| He's wearing this photo. | ||
| But one of the shoes was too big, so he had to wear an extra sock. | ||
| Wearing those shoes, Jim won two gold medals that day. | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a hard man right there. | ||
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So there you go. | |
| You're like, I don't know what to say to that. | ||
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But I mean, what people wore back then. | |
| But the other thing about shoes back then is they're basically minimalist shoes if you look at it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when Jesse Owens ran, if you look at his shoes, those were what you would consider a minimalist shoe today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like all the padding, all that jazz, that's kind of non-existent back then. | ||
| Yeah, I mean I know that people do the barefoot stuff and I think that just being on concrete, like the last ultra I did was like running across Maine and it was all concrete and even then I had edema which is like swelling of your ankles and stuff. | ||
| How bad? | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty bad. | ||
| Like, it was bruised. | ||
| What do you do when you get out of there, when something like that's over? | ||
| How do you recover from... | ||
| Um, so I, like, the first hundred miler I did, I remember waking up and, like, I had to go to the bathroom and I was like, okay, time to go to the bathroom. | ||
| And I remember, like, telling my legs to move and they didn't. | ||
| So I was, like, physically... | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't... | ||
| That was a first. | ||
| Um, so usually it takes, like, two days for me to be able to, like, walk again. | ||
| Um, Like, normally. | ||
| Stairs are usually really hard, but usually, like, for a lot of these events, I don't sleep well the first night just because I still have so much, like, adrenaline and so much, like, just really amped up. | ||
| But then, yeah, it's just a matter of, like, sleeping a lot and doing, like, light walks. | ||
| Do you use those Normatec boots? | ||
| I have. | ||
| There's a treadmill gym in Portland that I've used them after some of my... | ||
| You don't have a pair? | ||
| No. | ||
| Can we get you a pair? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Can you? | ||
| Yeah, I'll get you a pair. | ||
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Woo! | |
| I'm thinking of doing another running adventure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| It's a world. | ||
| A world record? | ||
| Yeah, I can't. | ||
| You can't tell anybody? | ||
| Can't tell. | ||
| Can we help? | ||
| Can we sponsor you or something? | ||
| Yeah, that'd be amazing. | ||
| All right, we're in. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's in June. | ||
| In June? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, well, we'll talk off air. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You can't spill the beans on the program. | ||
| But when you announce it, then can you spill the beans? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay, so you want to come back right before you do it? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Okay, let's do it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll pump it up. | ||
| Alright, sounds good. | ||
| We'll get Noma Tech to hook you up. | ||
| Okay, yeah. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| Yeah, you need those. | ||
| How do you not have those? | ||
| Well, I like... | ||
| I'm a little bit of like on a shoestring kind of adventurer sometimes, but... | ||
| We'll take care of it. | ||
| Oh my god, thank you so much. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| Yeah, so I have used those, but foam rolling and putting your legs up the wall is usually what I do. | ||
| But yeah, I'd say within a week. | ||
| Those rollers that I was telling you about? | ||
| Same company. | ||
| Hyperice, same company. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they make the Normatec boots. | ||
| They make those crazy rollers that vibrate. | ||
| You're going to throw those regular rollers out. | ||
| Wait till you try these things. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're like, yikes. | ||
| But, yeah, for, like, my last run, I like running too much to run for at least three weeks until afterwards. | ||
| So you run... | ||
| After running across Maine, I stopped running for three weeks until my body was completely healed. | ||
| When I say I love running too much to run immediately after, it's because I don't want to get burnt out. | ||
| I think three weeks is a respectable amount of time to give my body a chance to recover. | ||
| I know ice baths also help with recovery. | ||
| Do you do that? | ||
| For my run across Maine, I didn't just because I was in so much pain that just a little extra pain would have just put me over the edge. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you have sunburn and just someone touches it and you're just like, ah! | ||
| Do you think it would have maybe relieved some of that pain with the ice bath? | ||
| No, because of, like, chafing and, like, there's a lot of little injuries that happen that you might not be aware of until after the fact and, like, just little things like that. | ||
| So, yeah, really just sleeping and eating as you can tolerate it. | ||
| So you just chill for a while. | ||
| Chill, yeah. | ||
| Just decide, look, did something crazy, it's time to let it all come back together. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| Usually, I mean, that's what's amazing about our bodies is, like, I don't need to tell it what to do. | ||
| If you give it enough time, we'll figure out how to rebuild and how to, yeah, heal itself. | ||
| So when you think about doing something like this new thing that you can't talk about yet, when you plan—excuse me— When you plan something like this out, do you just say, okay, I need a wacky challenge. | ||
| I need something that really pushes me, something that's going to really get the fires going. | ||
| So sometimes I feel like the bus in Australia. | ||
| I do feel like sometimes these ideas find me when I least expect it. | ||
| I don't really have a bucket list, but I am driven by that curious, insatiable need to find out. | ||
| I don't think I'll run across Maine ever again in my life because I think what's beautiful about adventure is like... | ||
| And I don't think I'll row the Atlantic again because I came... | ||
| Because you did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I had a pure experience. | ||
| I didn't read about how everyone else did it and no one else had run across Maine. | ||
| So I didn't read about... | ||
| Who else ran this or that just because there's something so pure about doing something that hasn't been done before or like off the beaten path because you have no preconceived notion of what you are going to experience. | ||
| So one of the driving factors for me is just like the curiosity to find out. | ||
| And like now that I ran across Maine or did this or that, There's not that, like, ooh, I wonder. | ||
| So I think, yeah, I don't necessarily think I'll be doing the same of anything. | ||
| But with running, there's still, like cycling, I answered a lot of those questions already. | ||
| Swimming, I did like a 325-mile swim, so I feel like I answered those questions. | ||
| But I don't think that the questions have been answered about like the around the world trip because that has more to do with decision making on your feet and dealing with people finding out where to sleep finding out where like I don't know there's different challenges that aren't really as much physical like of course riding your bike 60 80 miles a day there's real physical challenges but For that adventure, | ||
| I'm driven by meeting people and seeing parts of the worlds that you never would and these chance encounters that you would never have had you not been on this road at this time. | ||
| So for running, I do feel like there are those questions of like, I've done, like, one really long run, but I'm curious to see how my body responds to doing one after another, | ||
| and, like, I think what I didn't experience in Maine is running on, like, fatigue the next day, and so that's kind of where, like, cycling across America, I've done that a couple times, and I've got to learn what that feels like, and also doing, like, 200 mile bike rides at one go. | ||
| And those are very different things. | ||
| But for running, I haven't experienced a multi-day running adventure. | ||
| So that's a hint. | ||
| That's a hint. | ||
| Why don't you talk to Eddie? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Eddie Izzard. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You should link up. | ||
| Find out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I've talked to people about, like, their experiences if they have done ultra, like, more of the multi-day events. | ||
| And what I've been encouraged by is, like, I've heard that the... | ||
| And from biking across America, like, there's only so much you can do to train. | ||
| And if anything, you might overtrain or, like, just be so burnt out that you don't even want to do it anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I from what I've heard is like the training happens almost during like your body adapts and you need kind of a basic level of fitness but um and will yeah oh yeah definitely yeah but yeah that's what you saw with Eddie Izzard in that documentary that there was no real serious fitness level yeah in the beginning yeah I mean like which is kind of crazy It is. | ||
| But, yeah, I definitely, like, after doing marathons and stuff, you see all walks of life. | ||
| And even myself, people would be like, I think in triathlon, if you're over 140 pounds for some of those races, you're considered Athena and, like, plus size. | ||
| Athena? | ||
| That means, like, bigger people. | ||
| Athena? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Have you heard of that before? | ||
| You said it was a normal thing. | ||
| You're considered Athena. | ||
| If you're over 140 pounds, some of these races you're considered plus size. | ||
| That's how tiny these people are. | ||
| So even myself, I wouldn't fit the box. | ||
| Like I'm not a twig and I probably, yeah, like, yes. | ||
| Why is the Athena category so useless? | ||
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Look at that. | |
| 140 pounds. | ||
| Fit is feminist. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm more than 140 pounds, so I am a plus-size triathlete. | ||
| Clydesdale. | ||
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How fucking rude. | |
| Clydesdale. | ||
| An attempt to equalize competition for non-elite running and multi-sport events between big and small people. | ||
| For men, Clydesdale is anyone over 200 pounds. | ||
| I'm a fucking Clydesdale fan. | ||
| I'm an Athena. | ||
| Minimum weight for Athena in the division runner is either 140 or 150. You're an Athena. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, I'm a plus size driver. | ||
| You're a sturdy gal. | ||
| That's what it means. | ||
| Well, that makes sense, too, because, like, Zach Bitter, you know, Zach won the world record for 24 hours or for running 100 miles. | ||
| He ran 100 miles in 11 hours on a track, which is crazy. | ||
| But Zach is a rail. | ||
| You know, he's a very small guy. | ||
| Like, if you had, like, a big, like, the dude who won the chin-up competition, if you had that guy try to do that, it's too big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think. | ||
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Who knows? | |
| If he can do that, maybe he can do anything. | ||
| Maybe it's a mime thing. | ||
| I mean, I think... | ||
| I don't know if he can do it the way Zach did it, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think what I have going for me is not getting injured. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Because you're sturdy. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not the fastest. | ||
| Is that a weird word for girls? | ||
| They don't like that word. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I... It's a weird one, right? | ||
| Like, I mean it in a complimentary way. | ||
| Like, you're a stout, strong woman. | ||
| Stout's bad, too. | ||
| Said that. | ||
| I fucked that up, too. | ||
| Sturdy and stout. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| A lot of chicks don't want to hear that. | ||
| That's why I like a gal. | ||
| I like them sturdy. | ||
| I've definitely heard, like, if I do speaking, some people are like, you don't look like you could do that. | ||
| I'm like, hmm, hmm, okay. | ||
| What is that supposed to mean? | ||
| I know, exactly. | ||
| Homegirl who won Moab 240, the one who'd been on the show? | ||
| Yeah, Courtney DeWalter. | ||
| She's very small. | ||
| Like, what does Courtney weigh about? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She's tiny. | ||
| She's a savage. | ||
| She's also experienced that thing you were talking about, like blurred vision, to the point where she had, I think it was corneal edema, I think it's called, where her eyes were bleeding, so she couldn't see. | ||
| And she tripped and fell and smashed her head on a rock, so blood was pouring down her head. | ||
| Couldn't see. | ||
| She could barely see her feet in front of her and still won. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Woo! | |
| I did watch her. | ||
| That lady's a savage. | ||
| She's cool. | ||
| She's savage. | ||
| And when we had her in here, I'm like, what do you eat? | ||
| She's like, candy. | ||
| She drinks beer. | ||
| She drinks beer, eats candy. | ||
| I mean, just need calories. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just need the calories. | ||
| Yeah, it's just that alone, that example, the fact that she was literally going blind, never considered stopping, fell, smashed her head. | ||
| So there's a picture of her running where she's kind of blind with blood pouring out of her forehead and still wins the race. | ||
| That is a tough person. | ||
| you know i think it's really cool also in ultra running you'll see it more that women are holding their own and like compared to men like one she fucking won she beat the first guy the the the guy who came in second place by 10 hours wow 10 hours imagine imagine you train so hard you're like i'm a beast i'm just going out there and kick ass yeah like well i came in first for men oh you came in first for men Oh, interesting. | ||
| What's first for a woman? | ||
| 10 hours quicker or whatever. | ||
| Do you know what that's called? | ||
| 10 hours? | ||
| Being chicked. | ||
| Oh, is that what they call it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who calls it that? | ||
| I don't know, but I've seen shirts that say, like, I was chicked and I liked it kind of stuff. | ||
| You guys are cucks. | ||
| They like it. | ||
| It's a little weird, right? | ||
| But that is a term. | ||
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Yeah, that's a guy trying to impress women, this femininity. | |
| He probably hates it. | ||
| Doesn't like it. | ||
| It's full of shit. | ||
| Can't trust that guy. | ||
| Guy's a liar, right? | ||
| Am I wrong? | ||
| There's no way he likes it. | ||
| Did you race because you want to lose? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| You like being chicked? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was chicked and I liked it? | ||
| Stay home. | ||
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Right? | |
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| Yeah, women can hold their own. | ||
| Hell yeah, they can. | ||
| Well, Courtney certainly fucking can. | ||
| She wins. | ||
| They say something about how females have a really high pain tolerance, so that's why it helps in ultras because of having babies and being able to handle that. | ||
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Yeah, most men do not have a high pain tolerance. | |
| But I think women, they probably experience pain differently because of the whole childbirth thing, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would guess. | ||
| If there was like a way where you could experience, like a microchip, experience what it's like to be a guy for a day, they could plug into a guy's brain, be a guy for a day, would you do it? | ||
| Why wouldn't I? That'd be interesting. | ||
| Wouldn't anyone want to do that? | ||
| Yeah, I would do it for a day. | ||
| I'd be a woman for a day. | ||
| I wouldn't want a guy having sex with me. | ||
| I'd be like, that's where I draw the line. | ||
| I don't want to like it. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| What are you curious to know? | ||
| I want to hear girls talk shit. | ||
| I want to know guys are around. | ||
| I want to hear what kind of things they say. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When girls talk about sex or girls talk about work or girls talk about life. | ||
| So you want to hear the girl talk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it would be interesting for a little while. | ||
| I'll probably get bored. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But maybe I wouldn't because I'd be a girl. | ||
| I just want to know how much... | ||
| I want to do pull-ups and stuff. | ||
| I want to run around and see what... | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
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You want to know what it's like to be a gorilla. | |
| Well, I just want to know... | ||
| If you were a guy for a day, you'd just be like... | ||
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Time to smash. | |
| I want to see... | ||
| That is the rarest. | ||
| Have you polled women? | ||
| What would you do if you were a man for a day? | ||
| I don't know what it's like to do fucking pull-ups and shit. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Well, it's true that you guys have more muscle. | ||
| You want to smash. | ||
| Smash things. | ||
| You want to punch a bag. | ||
| Fucking deadlift some serious weight. | ||
| It'd be interesting to see what the capability would be. | ||
| Because you could probably do more things. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't know what else I would be interested in doing. | ||
| I think it would be interesting to feel the difference in the hips. | ||
| Like men and women have a totally different hip structure, you know? | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why women have more ACL injuries and it's also more difficult for them to generate force, like kicking. | ||
| Like if you watch a really elite woman kick, even though you're carrying your body weight around versus a really elite man kick, there's a big difference in the amount of power that the men can generate. | ||
| And I'm sure a lot of that has to do with testosterone. | ||
| I'm sure there's a lot of variabilities. | ||
| But when I talked to a kinesiologist, he was explaining to me that it's also... | ||
| The way the hips are structured. | ||
| Because a woman's, especially if she has particularly wide hips, your bones angle in a different way, whereas a man's are straight. | ||
| It's better for generating force. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know I already said there was a TED Talk about this, but there was another TED Talk. | ||
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It's a lot of TED Talks. | |
| A lot of cool shit they talk about. | ||
| A man who became a woman. | ||
| So they could say what is better and worse being male and female. | ||
| How did he do that? | ||
| Like, it was... | ||
| Trans. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And, like, the one thing that was being joked about is, like, the hair is the same, but now that I'm a woman, it's like $100 to cut my hair when it was only $10. | ||
| Like, so there were... | ||
| I mean, that is interesting because they could say definitively what are the differences, and that was, yeah, one of them. | ||
| Mmm. | ||
| You could, but you couldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the chromosomes are different. | ||
| It's like your perception and how you identify is different, but... | ||
| Not necessarily different. | ||
| You can't get pregnant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have a menstrual cycle. | ||
| So not a physical sense, but just like societal, like how you are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to know what PMS is like. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| I want to know what that chaos is like because I've seen it before. | ||
| What the fuck is happening to you? | ||
| I think you could recreate that. | ||
| Just be hangry or something. | ||
| No way. | ||
| There's no way it's just hangry. | ||
| There's no fucking way. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Just be hangry for a few days. | ||
| If it's just hangry, then men are getting abused all across this country. | ||
| I think with some women, PMS is pretty radical. | ||
| I think it varies wildly. | ||
| I would agree. | ||
| Like, yeah, I'm sure everyone is different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't know if that's what you would want to experience. | ||
| Oh, yeah, for sure. | ||
| I want to know how nutty it gets. | ||
| Just feel what it feels like, you know? | ||
| It probably feels crazy to be pregnant, too. | ||
| Walking around with a baby inside of you, a little thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Growing inside of you, a little person. | ||
| Because having children as a man is an amazing thing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Probably my favorite thing about life, legitimately. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| Every time I hug them, every time I talk to them, part of me is going, I can't believe you're real. | ||
| You didn't exist, and now you exist, and now you're 10, and you and I are having a conversation about life, and we're talking about things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They didn't come out of my body. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think for a woman, it's exponentially crazier. | ||
| Because they literally developed inside of your body, and they came out of you. | ||
| And now here they are. | ||
| That's got to be crazy. | ||
| I would like to know what that feels like. | ||
| It must be nuts. | ||
| It must be nuts. | ||
| I would agree. | ||
| You don't want that, huh? | ||
| I mean, I feel so passionate about these upcoming, like, adventures. | ||
| Maybe after? | ||
| But, yeah, my vision is so, like, this and that that it's hard for me to see that. | ||
| At least right now. | ||
| I'm not one of those people who thinks everybody should have kids. | ||
| And not that I think some people shouldn't have kids. | ||
| That's not what I mean. | ||
| I mean, I used to get insulted by the idea that you couldn't live a fulfilled life without procreating. | ||
| I was always like, that seems like someone who's done something who thinks everybody should do something. | ||
| There's a thing that people do when they've done it, like, you're not even a man yet, unless you've had a kid. | ||
| And then, you know, you have kids, like, no, that's not... | ||
| Do people really say that? | ||
| Oh yeah, people are crazy. | ||
| But they only say it because they kind of want to have a leg up on people who haven't done something they've done. | ||
| Oh, I see that now. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also people are very... | ||
| They think about their life... | ||
| In a very biased way in that that's the only way to do it. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are really silly like that. | ||
| No matter what they're doing, they think that if you're not doing this, you're a fool or you're fucking up or you're missing something. | ||
| And there's a tremendous amount of pressure, I think more so on women, to procreate than men. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I definitely, like, am attached to my body, like, and what it can do. | ||
| And I think that, I mean, I have a lot of friends that are athletes and have had kids, and I've seen how they have been able to, like, balance that, like, kind of regaining their body and being able to incorporate fitness. | ||
| But I mean, yeah, I guess that would be one of my fears about it, is just, like, having to let go of what my body is capable of. | ||
| But by saying that, I also think that there might be an even greater appreciation for my body because it's a human, not an Iron Man. | ||
| Like, I'm pretty sure a human is a little bit more, like, but, yeah, from where I stand now, it's like, boop. | ||
| Will I be able to run? | ||
| So these feats and these adventures are incredibly important to you, obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, right now I am very aware that things change and I am very cause and charity and that is also a huge focus for me. | ||
| But, yeah, a big part of my identity is these challenges, and a big part of where I get joy and excitement is around my body's ability to do these things. | ||
| But, I mean, I have had injuries enough to know that I am more than just running or biking. | ||
| Do you have an idea of when you want to stop? | ||
| Or are you a lifer? | ||
| I might be a lifer. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I've been doing challenges for a decade now. | ||
| I think that, like, I've reached a limit in certain... | ||
| And I think what might be exciting to go back to is trying to get more speed. | ||
| Like, I've definitely lost speed and traded it for endurance. | ||
| And so, um, after doing a few more, I think it would be fun to kind of develop what I've put off because like training last year, I didn't do any speed work. | ||
| Um, it was all endurance. | ||
| It was basically like doing an ultra marathon every weekend and then recovering. | ||
| And then like, that's all you really. | ||
| So is this, the speed, uh, like a challenge that you haven't been addressing? | ||
| Is that why it's itching at you? | ||
| Well, you give up. | ||
| I feel like I'm too young to be saying I used to be that fast. | ||
| I should be able to go fast, but it's kind of like you pick your battle. | ||
| Do you want to be fast or do you want to go far? | ||
| Some people can do both. | ||
| But I think with my body, it's kind of like you choose. | ||
| I mean, there's like fast twitch and slow twitch. | ||
| And if you develop your slow twitch, then yeah. | ||
| So like, I think it's very empowering to at least like, most of my running is nine, 10 minute miles. | ||
| That's pretty... | ||
| Like, I mean, that's a chill. | ||
| I mean, I'm not, I can talk, everything, but still, like, I've been doing that pace so much that it's really hard to do seven and eights anymore, and it'd be nice to feel that again by doing less. | ||
| You seem like a person that will never find your limits. | ||
| You just always want to push. | ||
| You always want to try to figure it out. | ||
| Well, it's our body. | ||
| It has so many. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's cool. | ||
| I like your attitude. | ||
| I like the way you approach these things. | ||
| It's very cool. | ||
| I mean, our bodies are really amazing. | ||
| You made it all the way to the end without peeing, too. | ||
| Well, I thought about it for the last half hour. | ||
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I'm sure you have. | |
| It's a challenge. | ||
| Sometimes I can tell when people are kind of squirming a little bit and they got a look on their face and they're like, hmm, maybe not yet. | ||
| Hang in there. | ||
| Hang in there. | ||
| Could you tell? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| Was it? | ||
| No, not bad. | ||
| Most people would never be able to tell. | ||
| But I'm just assuming around two hours-ish, two and a half, you get this big jug of water. | ||
| You're an athlete. | ||
| I'm sure you drink a ton of water. | ||
| I'm like, you got to be ready. | ||
| You got any minute now. | ||
| You picked talking about going to the bathroom too early. | ||
| If you would have waited until the two-hour mark, I could have been like, oh, that reminds me. | ||
| Good thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, you made it, dude. | ||
| You did it. | ||
| So, let us know what this challenge is, when you can spill the beans, and we'd be happy to help you there. | ||
| Oh, that's so nice. | ||
| And it was really cool talking to you. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
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Yeah, me too. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. |
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