Sept. 4, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| The Joe Rogan experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day So a friend of mine, a giant boxing fan He sends me this text message He goes dude check this shit out And it's you, training with Rafael Cordero. | ||
| And I remember looking at him going, oh shit, what happened? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Because the last time you were in here, you were talking about how you didn't want to work out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it would ignite the ego. | ||
| Hey, let's talk about that, too. | ||
| So, I was discussing with my wife something about me being overweight. | ||
| You know, sometimes you want to complain about your wife, but you want to take her out of her in some kind of perspective. | ||
| And she said, well, why don't you just get on this treadmill for 15 minutes a day? | ||
| I said, ah, she said, yes, 15 minutes. | ||
| So it went from 15 minutes a day to two hours a day. | ||
| That's what you were worried about. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But I was complaining about my weight, and so... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess I tried on some clothes and it was disastrous. | ||
| And so I was worried about my weight. | ||
| And she told me the 15-minute route and it went two hours a day. | ||
| And I just started losing weight. | ||
| And then somebody came, my brother-in-law said, hey, Mike, man, I know you're not going to win, but somebody said, would you fight this guy for like 40 million or 30 million bucks? | ||
| I said, man, get the fuck. | ||
| I said, whoa. | ||
| I said, whoa. | ||
| That's not the thing. | ||
| I was just kidding. | ||
| I said, get the fuck. | ||
| I said, whoa. | ||
| And I said, well, who would they like me to fight? | ||
| And he said, one minute. | ||
| And then it's Bob Sapp. | ||
| I said, okay. | ||
| And so I'm saying to myself, well, I know Bob. | ||
| And I said, ho. | ||
| Because I know Bob is big and strong. | ||
| I said, ho. | ||
| One minute. | ||
| How would they like me to fight him? | ||
| Can I fight him under the Marcus of Queensberry rule? | ||
| And he said, one minute, Mike. | ||
| He asked the guy. | ||
| The guy said, yes. | ||
| I said, I'll fight him. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So it was Bob Sapp was the first one that was brought up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So for people who don't know Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was a giant fighter in pride. | ||
| At one time, he was like 375 pounds. | ||
| He was fighting all the kickboxers. | ||
| Solid muscle. | ||
| With abs. | ||
| It's incredible, right? | ||
| And it went from him to somebody else, then another guy, then MMA, then this guy, and then somehow, no, some other fighters, Vanda, then it went from, who else? | ||
| It was another heavyweight champion. | ||
| It was just a bunch of guys up here and fight, and next thing you know... | ||
| It came down to Roy. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know what the hell's going on. | ||
| And then he signed the contract. | ||
| I signed the contract. | ||
| Next thing you know, I'm in the gym again. | ||
| And it's disastrous. | ||
| I'm trying to get in the shape. | ||
| I'm saying, did I really do this shit? | ||
| You know, you would probably know. | ||
| Because if you're getting in shape and getting conditioned, they're two different animals. | ||
| They don't even belong in the same... | ||
| Work out the vision of working out. | ||
| Getting in shape is just being kind of fit, but then conditioned. | ||
| Getting in shape is able to fit your clothes. | ||
| That's getting in shape, being able just to fit your clothes. | ||
| Being in condition is being able to come outside of your soul. | ||
| You can't do that automatically. | ||
| You're talking about being in fighting condition. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a rare state, and you can't keep it for very long. | ||
| No, it is just... | ||
| People need to understand that, right? | ||
| The emotional state to prepare for that is mind-boggling. | ||
| Well, that's what I was seeing when I was seeing you hit the pads. | ||
| I'm like, this isn't just working out. | ||
| There was something going on, man. | ||
| When you were working out with Cordero and you were ripping to the body and throwing those hooks, I was like, this is a man who's preparing to go to combat. | ||
| This is not normal, getting ready to work out shit. | ||
| That's why when I saw that video, I was like, oh. | ||
| Want me to tell you something about that video? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I did that video and I was in bed for a week. | ||
| That was 30 seconds and I was in bed for a week. | ||
| And it's not funny because it made me realize that this is big boy shit, okay? | ||
| Big boy shit. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| That wasn't really cool. | ||
| That's in the gym. | ||
| That's now. | ||
| The thing is, though... | ||
| That's now. | ||
| That's now. | ||
| That's going for, you know, five, six rounds. | ||
| That's now. | ||
| But I'm talking about before that 30 seconds, the first time I ever did it, I caught... | ||
| What's the shit you kill when you can't work? | ||
| Oh, sciatica. | ||
| Sciatica, everything came in. | ||
| All that shit that came back that made me quit boxing, all the pain started coming back. | ||
| So when you started training again, did you start doing it slowly after that? | ||
| Extremely slowly. | ||
| And then I started... | ||
| Dabbing in an alternative stuff. | ||
| Like what kind of stuff? | ||
| Cryotherapy type shit? | ||
| Cryo, stem cell research and therapy and some other interesting stuff that I still know and it's just beautiful stuff. | ||
| Like what kind of stuff? | ||
| I don't know, hyperbaric chambers and just... | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything to help you recover. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Well, I saw you when you walked in today. | ||
| I was like, God damn, you look good. | ||
| You look good, dude. | ||
| Like, your muscles look good. | ||
| You look like you're vascular. | ||
| You look fit. | ||
| And I'm starting to feel fit. | ||
| That's what's interesting. | ||
| I know what they do and stuff. | ||
| I think I'm in shape and then the next thing you know, you think you're in shape and then you start having, like, Ralphie will start throwing punches at me. | ||
| It's like he'll fight and I can't punch back one. | ||
| I gotta avoid. | ||
| And then two rounds go by and he said, whoa, I'm not in shape. | ||
| I'm hitting the bag six rounds. | ||
| I'm doing this three or five rounds, six rounds. | ||
| I'm jumping rope. | ||
| And then I do two rounds with somebody. | ||
| It's a whole different psychological preparation. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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How much? | |
| How much time has gone since you first started exercising? | ||
| Like when did it start? | ||
| So here we are, it's like August 23rd or something like that? | ||
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22nd. | |
| 22nd? | ||
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Right. | |
| When did it start? | ||
| It had to start something like April. | ||
| April. | ||
| March, something like that. | ||
| In the middle of the lockdown. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you just started just training, and now here you are five months later, four months later, How far away do you think you are to being in, like, fighting shape? | ||
| Oh, fighting shape? | ||
| When the time comes by November 28th, yeah. | ||
| That's when you'll be ready. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now, why did you guys decide to move? | ||
| You were supposed to be in September, right? | ||
| It was supposed to be September 12th? | ||
| I believe it was a viewing situation. | ||
| The proper timing for more people. | ||
| For audiences? | ||
| Yeah, I believe it was something of that nature. | ||
| It's so exciting. | ||
| It's gonna be awesome because it's gonna be me and everyone else that's involved, Eros and anyone, Innovation, and we're going to start off the Legends Only League, and that's going to be really breathtaking, especially starting off with me and Roy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm looking forward to that. | ||
| It's going to have athletes from every generation. | ||
| It's an array of everybody who believes in someone. | ||
| They're all going to come back in all fields, and this is going to be something that me and the Eros Intervention created together, and I think this is going to be pretty awesome. | ||
| So Legends Only League would be like all sports, baseball, basketball, everything. | ||
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Everything, yeah. | |
| Tennis. | ||
| Yeah, I think, imagine if something crazy like we did with Billie Jean King did, had somebody, yesterday, Serena, somebody playing McEnroe and that kind of stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Exhibitions and stuff like that. | ||
| Or somebody like Man of War can play one-on-one with whoever, Iverson or somebody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Man of Peace. | ||
| Man of War is the horse. | ||
| Metta world peace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's an amazing idea. | ||
| But particularly for you. | ||
| Like seeing you hit the bag again and seeing you hit the pads and get excited about it was very, very interesting to me. | ||
| Because I knew that you had that thing in your head where you didn't want to ignite your ego. | ||
| And then you had this quote that the gods of war reignited your ego. | ||
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I read that I got so excited. | |
| Well, that's the excuse I can use. | ||
| That's a really great excuse that I can use. | ||
| But it was a great quote. | ||
| It made me excited. | ||
| And when I'm seeing you training, I mean, you know, some people that... | ||
| You know, everybody has opinions when something like this happens. | ||
| When a man is 53 now, you're 54? | ||
| Yeah, 54. And decides to fight again. | ||
| As fit as you look, like, why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| You can do whatever you want. | ||
| Why can't? | ||
| I mean, if you can go bungee jumping and ride a bull. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Listen, um... | ||
| Impossible is nothing to somebody that tries. | ||
| Everything that someone said was impossible has happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It certainly... | ||
| Well, listen, in 2020, with all the ways of recovering, all the things we know... | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Our limitations create impossible. | ||
| Well, it's different now. | ||
| Limitations are different now. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that video when you were ripping the pads and working out with Rafael Cordero, how long into that was that? | ||
| How quickly did you get your speed back? | ||
| Was it right away? | ||
| No speed, but that was our first day. | ||
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That was your first day? | |
| That was our first day. | ||
| Let's try this out. | ||
| That was our first day. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And after that day, I was in the bed. | ||
| I had to come and get the guy to do the fucking shots and electrocute me to get me back. | ||
| I had the sciatica hit me. | ||
| I couldn't walk. | ||
| I was crying to my wife. | ||
| And I was like, wow. | ||
| And I don't know why, after that I should've said, this is over, I'm not gonna do it, but that ego stuff said, hey, come on, please. | ||
| Did it, does it, do you feel like you felt in the old days? | ||
| Like when, I mean, in terms of your mind, like the enthusiasm about this? | ||
| Enthusiasm, yes. | ||
| Sometimes I'm, I feel, I say this is bullshit, I can't be feeling this good. | ||
| You know, and then, I don't know. | ||
| I think I really am. | ||
| I'm feeling good. | ||
| I know the bag is a bigger bag, 200 pounds. | ||
| I said, well, this bag wouldn't be moving like this if I'm not hitting it kind of decently, you know? | ||
| No, you look good. | ||
| I've seen guys come back, and you see them working out, and it looks sad. | ||
| And it doesn't look good. | ||
| What's exciting about you coming back is how good you look training. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| In this day and age? | ||
| But being a real fighter, this is what you know. | ||
| You see so many people that's in the gym. | ||
| Matter of fact, I've boxed people in the gym that kick my ass every day. | ||
| But they know what's different? | ||
| When you get them in the ring and there's a light on them and people are eating popcorn and drinking beer and they freak out. | ||
| So true. | ||
| Yeah, the pressure. | ||
| But you're Mike Tyson. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You understand that. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| If anybody knows how to deal with that pressure, it's you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But you know... | ||
| It's good, but if you don't have the doubt, you're going to have a lot of trouble. | ||
| You have to have that doubt. | ||
| Right, you have to have a little bit of that. | ||
| Now, this new phase of your life where all of a sudden you reignited and you want to compete again. | ||
| This has got to be fun. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
| Yeah, it is fun. | ||
| I do say it's fun, but it's still... | ||
| It's apprehensive stuff, you know, it's apprehensive, but it's still, like you said, it's fun. | ||
| But it seems so exciting. | ||
| Like, to watch you train and get ready, it's like, to me, I'm like, fuck yeah. | ||
| Like, what do you want a man to do? | ||
| What do you want a man to do? | ||
| Just sit around, do nothing, just wait, go for walks, do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| And if you could still do this the way you're doing it, why not? | ||
| Hey, um... | ||
| I don't understand it either, but I want to do it. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I just want to do it and, um... | ||
| I feel like I was born to do this stuff. | ||
| Well, you certainly were at one point in time in your life. | ||
| But you had moved on to a different chapter of your life. | ||
| You had completely stopped doing that. | ||
| You were doing a Tyson Ranch thing, smoking a lot of weed. | ||
| Have you stopped smoking weed totally? | ||
| Pretty much, yeah. | ||
| Pretty much stopped. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to stop. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's a big change right away. | ||
| But when you do something like this, it's all about change. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Listen, you can't continue being a comedian if you're not sharpening your psyche up. | ||
| Even when you're doing it right here, you're practicing your comedian act. | ||
| You have to continue to practice. | ||
| The more you practice it, say if you practice it for a year, you'd be better if you only practice it for a month. | ||
| The more you do it, the better you become. | ||
| Do you feel like that now, in this comeback, that you're only sort of scratching your potential? | ||
| Because you're just getting back into shape again. | ||
| A year from now, you'll be in even better shape, and you'll be more conditioned to do what you want to do. | ||
| God willing, yeah. | ||
| You're in this rebuilding stage now. | ||
| Now, that's exciting. | ||
| When you go to your doctor, these people who have this alternative stuff, and you see the development, you see the healing process, and you say, come on, tell me this. | ||
| Why is this happening to me? | ||
| Why a guy like me who just got off drugs, who just gave up his life and don't care about nothing, this is happening to him? | ||
| Since I married my wife, all this good stuff started happening. | ||
| I'm saying, wow, what is this stuff all about? | ||
| Whatever it's all about, it's good. | ||
| I'm like, take my money. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| I said, take my money. | ||
| I want to watch it. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| And it's not about money, because the money's going to be in charity. | ||
| And it's just about doing something good. | ||
| And from that perspective, I used to like feeling like I'm doing something good for somebody more than myself. | ||
| That's a beautiful part of it, yeah, that it is going to go to charity. | ||
| But it's also an exciting matchup. | ||
| And I'm watching Roy work out, too, and Roy looks fantastic. | ||
| Roy's going to always look fantastic. | ||
| If he was 100 pounds overweight, he was going to look good. | ||
| He just really looks good when he does this. | ||
| Roy Jones Jr. I mean, that's one of the things that makes this fight so exciting is that, you know, Roy is, like yourself, one of the all-time greats and still looks physically fantastic. | ||
| Like, you see him moving around and hitting the pads. | ||
| His hand speed looks great. | ||
| And you can't train with anybody that looks like him to do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, he always had such an unusual style, you know, with very few jabs. | ||
| He would throw left hooks instead of jabs. | ||
| You know, I mean, Roy always had, like, one of the strangest styles in all of boxing. | ||
| Well, it was strange, but it was very effective. | ||
| Super effective, yeah. | ||
| Very effective. | ||
| Just incredibly hard to prepare for, too, because try to find someone who... | ||
| No one's going to do that. | ||
| No one's going to do that. | ||
| No one can emulate him in the gym. | ||
| Now, when you decided on a fight and decided on a poem, were there other... | ||
| I heard that someone had offered you Shannon the Cannon Briggs for bare-knuckle boxing? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It was just Tyson Fury. | ||
| It was Tyson Fury and quite other guys, but certain things just happened, and it didn't happen. | ||
| And then it was Holyfield. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Shannon and some other guys from MMA and then Roy turned out to be the right guy. | ||
| I guess we did a survey and Roy popped up the winner. | ||
| Well, it's certainly a giant name. | ||
| Holyfield would be a great one too, but it's just having a guy like that that has that big name that is also an all-time great and that also wants to do it too and to get the public excited. | ||
| I mean, I think it's a perfect fight to get the public excited. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, do you think that once you fight Roy, that that'll be it? | ||
| Or do you think this is just going to be the beginning of this new chapter in your life? | ||
| I believe this is just going to be the beginning of whatever happens, happens. | ||
| This is pretty interesting. | ||
| Being out here talking to you and knowing that... | ||
| The extent of the wavelength of people who are going to hear this stuff is pretty interesting because now this is true. | ||
| It's really no longer in my head and I'm stroking it. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| It's like, wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's wow. | ||
| Yeah, I can't wait, man. | ||
| I want to be there. | ||
| I want to see it. | ||
| Hey, down the street here. | ||
| I'll come back. | ||
| I forgot the name of the Dignity Center. | ||
| That's where it's going to be? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and is it going to be an audience? | ||
| It can't be an audience yet, right? | ||
| I don't believe audience. | ||
| I believe only, like, I don't know, what am I going to say? | ||
| Entourage? | ||
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Right. | |
| Small amount of people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Family fight group. | ||
| And this is going to be eight rounds? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| So how did you arrive on eight rounds? | ||
| Hey, listen, um, beats the hell out of me. | ||
| I wanted to do the exhibition. | ||
| I wanted to help the people. | ||
| I said, why do I got to eat fucking rounds? | ||
| But now I'm getting in a condition and we're going to do this stuff. | ||
| Well, 8 rounds gives you enough time to work. | ||
| Gives people enough time to get excited about it. | ||
| When you think about an 8 round fight, do you see yourself moving into 10 rounds and 12 rounds in the future? | ||
| We don't know what the future holds, but we're looking forward to just having fun and doing it for a purpose or reason. | ||
| Because people were talking about you literally fighting for the title again. | ||
| Hey, I'm not interested in it. | ||
| I'm just interested in fighting for the title of giving. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, just doing this for good. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, exciting for you, but also generates a lot of positivity. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| It feels soul-cleaning for some reason. | ||
| Because you're giving away charity, that you're doing something good? | ||
| Me doing it for myself, I just didn't do it for me no more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I didn't do it. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| So it's both things. | ||
| So you get to excite yourself, challenge yourself, but the good is all going to an excellent cause. | ||
| I won't have it in my mind or I'm getting paid. | ||
| I used to want to never have that in my mind again. | ||
| I never want to have, oh, I'm getting something for what I'm doing kind of attitude. | ||
| Somebody said, and this was kind of hilarious, someone said, hey, I heard that they're just going to mess around and that they're not going to go for the knockout. | ||
| I go, do you know who the fuck you're talking about? | ||
| I go, you're talking about Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. Do you really believe that? | ||
| That two of the all-time greats, once they start throwing hands, that it won't get crazy? | ||
| Well, of course it is, because both of us are who we are, and we're going to show our skills, and nobody's going to look stupid, and it's just going to be interesting, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you have any other people in mind? | ||
| Like, do you have a game plan in mind, like, after Roy, or are you just thinking only about Roy right now? | ||
| At this moment, only Roy, but it's just some interesting people that we have that I'm going to announce later. | ||
| Now there was some talk of you and Roy way back in the day when Roy fought John Ruiz and won the heavyweight title. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So what did you think about that fight back then? | ||
| I thought it was really interesting because I couldn't have used the money back then. | ||
| Me and Roy talked. | ||
| We were in Texas and we went to Houston. | ||
| We went to Houston. | ||
| We talked and after we talked we just went out and chilled out. | ||
| It was interesting. | ||
| It never happened. | ||
| I don't know what happened to me. | ||
| Something must have happened to me and it just didn't happen. | ||
| That's one of those things, right? | ||
| There's always all these potential fights that don't quite line up. | ||
| Do you have other fights in your head that were potential fights that didn't line up that you wish did? | ||
| No. | ||
| Everything happened for the reason that it's happening now. | ||
| I'm excited about this fight. | ||
| I'm excited about this fight stylistically, too, because I always liked that fight stylistically. | ||
| I always thought it was so interesting, you know, because you were just this unstoppable force and Roy was so fast and so slick. | ||
| I guess I'm just prepared to do a lot of running and chasing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, yeah, that was real difficult to get in condition for. | ||
| Like, chasing this fucking little guy around the ring. | ||
| So how many days a week are you training now? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| You don't have to send days off every day. | ||
| And what is a typical day for Mike Tyson right now? | ||
| The day starts as soon as it's daylight around 5.30. | ||
| I'll do the four mile run. | ||
| Come back. | ||
| What am I doing when I come back? | ||
| I'm back. | ||
| I'm in the shower. | ||
| From the shower. | ||
| I go downstairs, I let the birds out, fly the birds, come back in. | ||
| I have a machine where you do the twist for your abs. | ||
| And I'll do that probably 200 times on both sides. | ||
| And I just grab a bite. | ||
| You know, I may have some... | ||
| I'm eating meat first. | ||
| I may have some eggs instead of not eating eggs. | ||
| You were a vegan for a while, right? | ||
| How long were you a vegan for? | ||
| A couple of years. | ||
| For a couple of years? | ||
| Yeah, five years. | ||
| When did it stop? | ||
| When did you stop doing that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not too long ago. | ||
| So did you stop because of the training or did you stop before that? | ||
| Yeah, I did stop reading because of the training. | ||
| It was because of what I wanted my body to look like and the strength that I wanted to possess. | ||
| So you started eating meat, red meat, everything? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No red meat? | ||
| But only elk and bison. | ||
| Oh, red meat. | ||
| That's red meat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wild stuff. | ||
| You eat an elk and bite? | ||
| Dude, I want to give you some of my elk. | ||
| Yeah, see, really? | ||
| Would you please? | ||
| Fuck yeah, 100%. | ||
| Did you kill it? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Yeah, I would like for you to do that. | ||
| I'll give you some from that elk right there. | ||
| Yo, that would be so awesome. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| That would be so awesome, brother. | ||
| I have three commercial freezers in the back. | ||
| I would love that. | ||
| I would love that. | ||
| Like when I look at food, I don't look at food no like I used to look at it. | ||
| I look at it for what it's for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even what it's for. | ||
| To take care of the body. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, that's the best meat, too. | ||
| You know, I realize that there's things that are good for other people, like the kale and the vegetables and all this stuff, the blueberry, and then for me, it's really poisonous. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| That stuff's bad for you? | ||
| Yeah, that stuff's not good for my blood type and my health conditions and all that stuff. | ||
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Kale? | |
| All that stuff's bad for you? | ||
| Oh, kale will kill me! | ||
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Kale will kill me! | |
| No, actually dead. | ||
| Really? | ||
| For me, kale is toxic to my blood and everything. | ||
| So when you were a vegan, what were you eating? | ||
| Oh man, nothing. | ||
| My wife called me the miserable vegan. | ||
| She said, that's not veganism what you're doing, Mike. | ||
| Just being miserable. | ||
| No, I think it comes down to when... | ||
| And it's interesting because I've done it when I was with cuss. | ||
| I will sometimes just overdo it sometimes. | ||
| Like sometimes I go for religious fast for 30 days, I might overdo it. | ||
| Sometimes I might not eat for the whole day. | ||
| Instead of just for the daytime, not eating and eating. | ||
| And I might for a couple of days just not eat, period. | ||
| Don't you think? | ||
| But that's just your championship mentality, right? | ||
| Like you're always pushing yourself even when it comes to something like fasting. | ||
| It has something to do with suffering. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I can't put my feelings on it. | ||
| It's about how long can I suffer more than this person or that person? | ||
| Or could this person do what I did? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I remember you saying that, too, about training, that you would get up in the morning and train because you wanted an edge. | ||
| You wanted to know that you were training while they were asleep. | ||
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| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember thinking that back when I was doing martial arts. | ||
| I remember reading that. | ||
| I'm like, I want to do that, too. | ||
| I'd copy a lot of shit you did. | ||
| Well, you always have to have, and even if it's not so, you have to have, and that's where delusion comes in, because delusion is only delusional when you don't accomplish the goals of making your delusions a reality. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what is delusional. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're just enforcing your mindset. | ||
| Oh yeah, to allow those delusions to be the reality of your assessment. | ||
| Now, when you're doing this and you're getting up in the morning and running, do you feel like you felt in the old days? | ||
| I don't mean physically, I mean the mind, like you're preparing for war again. | ||
| Does this reignite those old thoughts the way you were when you were the champ, the way you were when you were on your way to the title? | ||
| This is a whole new way of life. | ||
| You know what's really interesting? | ||
| That sometimes... | ||
| Periodic, not real, but sometimes I struggle with the fact of, wow, there's a possibility I can really hurt somebody. | ||
| Like you don't want to hurt them. | ||
| What do you mean when you struggle with the possibility that you could hurt them? | ||
| That is sometimes... | ||
| It's orgasmic sometimes. | ||
| Like some fights, particularly like Tyrell Biggs, or someone that you had problems with, someone that you had animosity towards, so when you could finally get your hands on them. | ||
| Hey, what does it mean when fighting gets you erect? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| It means you're getting excited. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's going through your mind right now? | ||
| Well, that's how I get when I was a kid. | ||
| Sometimes I get the twinkle. | ||
| The twinkle? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like you reached a state as a human being, as a champion, as a ferocious fighter. | ||
| You reached a state of ability and of accomplishment that very few humans will ever touch and feel. | ||
| That's why I'm asking you, when you're running, when you're hitting the bag, when that heart's beating again, you know who you are. | ||
| You're Mike motherfucking Tyson. | ||
| So when you're doing all this shit again, you're still Mike Tyson. | ||
| Those thoughts have got to be burning inside you again. | ||
| It's got to be pretty wild. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's wild, but I believe it's rightfully so to be that way. | ||
| I don't think I'm massive, but I just know how to deal with it. | ||
| I don't let it overwhelm me. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, of course not. | ||
| But saying that gets you orgasmic, that's a strange thing to say. | ||
| Well, that's just what I wanted to find out because you're really bright. | ||
| No, I'm being very serious. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I know you're being serious, but I mean, no one will understand that other than you. | ||
| Like, that's your mindset. | ||
| But I think that like all the things we were talking about before, the way you drive yourself, the way you push yourself, the way you put yourself into that frame of mind, no one's gonna understand that other than you. | ||
| So no one's gonna understand you getting an erection from thinking about hurting someone. | ||
| More than you will. | ||
| There has to be fear based in somewhere. | ||
| Fear based? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or maybe just... | ||
| Maybe not fear-based, but maybe embracing the fact that you're going to go into this with everything that you have, the chaos of it all. | ||
| And the ultimate goal is to hurt somebody. | ||
| The ultimate goal is to be extremely successful. | ||
| The way you can be extremely successful, the thing you do great, is to crush people. | ||
| So to have that encompass everything. | ||
| This fighting is the only thing I don't ask Allah for. | ||
| I just don't ask them for help for that. | ||
| You don't ask him for help for fighting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you think you got it? | ||
| No, I just don't think... | ||
| You don't think you should ask? | ||
| I just don't want to be involved with that kind of mindset in our law. | ||
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| You know, people do, they go to... | ||
| I just don't. | ||
| I just don't because it's just... | ||
| I don't like the way I think and I don't want God to be, you know, involved with the way I think at that time. | ||
| Well, this is what's so interesting to me about you fighting again because of the conversation that we had the last time you were here that you didn't want to reignite your ego. | ||
| Clearly, your ego is blazing right now. | ||
| I mean, you're ready to go. | ||
| Well, maybe because I, um... | ||
| I'm an addict, a former addict, and I'm under a narcotic ring. | ||
| The camera's on me. | ||
| This is a big narcotic, and maybe that has something to do with it as well. | ||
| But I like to think it's under control until the night of the event. | ||
| Yeah, the night of the event. | ||
| So the addiction will get purged with the performance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's why, you know, I was doing, if you don't mind me to interrupt for a second, I was, the book that talks to you, what do they call it? | ||
| Audio book. | ||
| And it was called... | ||
| The Gene Key. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This book. | ||
| And the book was explaining about why that we are who we are in that perspective that most of the people like you and myself and people in general who is not at that level, even anyone that has a creative mind is victimized to depression. | ||
| And the reason is because when that creative, when that moment, whatever it is that causes that creativity is not Fit the proper information that is successful and that is accepted in whatever space of the brain and the mind that wants to be accepted and is not accepted, it crumbles. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Well, I feel like with someone like you, the highs that you reach in competing, the highs you reach in fighting, are so high that it's probably very difficult to just exist Outside of that. | ||
| And I know you love pot for that reason because it calmed you down and mellowed you out and chilled you out. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It made me like myself. | ||
| Do you understand that? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| It makes me like myself. | ||
| It gives you forgiveness of yourself. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I never thought about that. | ||
| I never wanted to be forgiven much because that's really powerful stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To have to accept forgiveness is really powerful. | ||
| And to forgive yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to forgive other people. | ||
| Sometimes it's harder to forgive yourself. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And marijuana makes you feel... | ||
| It makes me more compassionate. | ||
| It makes me more friendly. | ||
| It makes me want to hug people. | ||
| It gives me more of a sense of community. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It makes me like people who I believe did something wrong to me. | ||
| Yeah, you're like, oh, he didn't fuck me. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| He's a good nigga. | ||
| He's my man. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, he didn't mean it. | ||
| He's just all fucked up just like me. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| But if I'm drunk, I'm going to blow that bread. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Yeah, but the fighting thing, to feed that, that experience, it's a different experience. | ||
| And it's got to be so hard for a world championship fighter of your caliber to exist with, like, regular, normal, boring life. | ||
| You know, when you're training and you're ramping yourself up for a big fight, and then you have that big fight, and you knock out Spinks, In front of the whole world and you're walking around the ring and you're on the cover of every magazine, the highs of that, the accomplishment, the training, and then the competing itself, the experience is so alien to most people that when you walk around with regular folks in regular life, it's gotta be hard to exist. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's just that... | ||
| You have to know who you can be at certain times in your life. | ||
| No one knows who they are. | ||
| Because if you knew who you were right now, you'd be really limited. | ||
| You know, because life is about change. | ||
| Then five years from now, you'd be a different person, won't be this person. | ||
| So we're going to have to have... | ||
| Develop some kind of emotional intelligence and just learn, as time goes on, grasp what's ever going on and just form with it. | ||
| As it changes, you change with it. | ||
| Because it's very difficult when times change to change with the times. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you have to be conscious of that. | ||
| And the times is not the people around you. | ||
| The time is the development and time you have left on this planet that you have to develop who you are. | ||
| How difficult is it to make that change, though, to become a different person other than a world championship fighter? | ||
| Like, when you decided to stop, was it difficult? | ||
| Well, time will make you that person. | ||
| Time will. | ||
| Yeah, time will make you that person. | ||
| What is time, I don't know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But time has also made you that person again now, though. | ||
| Now it's reignited. | ||
| Now new time has come, and now you're training again. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I think this is done mostly for my health. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For my mortality more than anything. | ||
| Subconsciously, I think. | ||
| That's the reason why I did it, just to be healthy. | ||
| This stuff goes on, then this, and then I meet a doctor and say, hey, you know, you should do this and this, and you should try a stem cell. | ||
| I'm like, you never tried a stem cell? | ||
| But this is what really got me interested in this stuff. | ||
| I interviewed, which I like to do you as well, On my podcast, if you're licensed to do it, it's your contract won't let you do it. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| So I had the opportunity to talk to Ken Shamrock. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so he came in and I looked at him and I said, fuck, he looks incredible. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Hey, what are you doing right now? | ||
| Why you look like that? | ||
| How's that happen? | ||
| And he said it was in Columbia and I said, where? | ||
| I'm going tomorrow. | ||
| But I had some people nearby that I happened to be introduced to, and they were on the top. | ||
| Is that that bio-accelerator place down in Colombia? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| I didn't go there. | ||
| Is that where Henry Cejudo went? | ||
| I have no idea who went there. | ||
| I have no idea where it's at. | ||
| I used to know it was in Colombia. | ||
| And I met some other people who were just on top of their game with this anti-aging, all this stuff that's going on with this alternative stuff also. | ||
| I met these people, and it was just amazing stuff. | ||
| So you're able to now train all these days a week. | ||
| You have, like, how many months in now? | ||
| You're solid since April. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you attribute that mostly to all these different alternative methods of healing and recovery? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Especially this gentleman that we call, his name is Brad Rowe. | ||
| We call him the mechanic. | ||
| The electrician, that is. | ||
| And he works through... | ||
| Current forces and that was just... | ||
| Oh, electro-muscular stimulation, those things? | ||
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| It's totally different. | ||
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It's different? | |
| It's in that family, but just totally superior than that. | ||
| That's just so antiquated compared to this stuff, you know? | ||
| So, you were talking about your ability to... | ||
| You run in the morning, and now what's the afternoons like? | ||
| What are you doing in the afternoons? | ||
| That's when I'm training. | ||
| Around 1 o'clock, I'm in the gym, I'm doing the training. | ||
| 2.30, I'm probably talking on the phone, and... | ||
| Flipping some deals, making arrangements probably to do other shows, the commercial or else some ads and just stuff. | ||
| Business stuff. | ||
| How did you get hooked up with Rafael Cordero? | ||
| Because for folks who don't know, he's a legendary trainer in MMA. He's from Shoot the Box in Brazil. | ||
| He was one of the top guys back when Shoot the Box was the number one MMA camp in Brazil where Anderson Silva and Vanderlei Silva. | ||
| I found this out later, but this is how this happened. | ||
| The two of us met. | ||
| I said, hey, you know, I like to hit the mitts. | ||
| You think I can hit the mitts with somebody? | ||
| You think you got somebody around to hit the mitts? | ||
| I was getting ready to go to Freddie's gym. | ||
| Freddie Roach? | ||
| Yeah, and then someone said they had Rafael. | ||
| And I said, okay, let me check him out. | ||
| And she was just perfect. | ||
| Is he near you? | ||
| Does he live near you or something? | ||
| He lives in Laguna. | ||
| I'm in Newport. | ||
| What is the name of this? | ||
| Laguna... | ||
| Close enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's close. | ||
| That's real close. | ||
| So he's there, I believe, and yeah. | ||
| He's a great trainer. | ||
| We just came from Vegas and stuff. | ||
| We just hanging out, you know, had to go someplace. | ||
| And he's just cool, cool. | ||
| I met him before the pandemic, but that's what I mean. | ||
| We came before the pandemic. | ||
| We were in Vegas, and we met, I guess, at one of the UFC fights. | ||
| And then I met him over here, and I was saying, I want to hit the Mets, and then that's how... | ||
| We got back together. | ||
| He's a great man, like a good person. | ||
| No, the reason why I kept him up, not necessarily because he was awesome, but because he put so much peace and love and stuff to the whole family, the whole camp. | ||
| He's a beautiful man. | ||
| His image, his energy is just awesome. | ||
| Yeah, he's got great energy. | ||
| He's beloved. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like in the MMA world and all the people that he trains with, everyone loves Rafael Cordero. | ||
| Oh, he's the best. | ||
| You can't find a person to say a bad word about that man. | ||
| Oh man, he's so awesome. | ||
| And he's a very good trainer. | ||
| And he also was a guy, that style, that shoot box style, they were very aggressive. | ||
| And I was like, oh, that actually makes sense, him and you together. | ||
| Yeah, when we do drills, the drills are what's going on. | ||
| When we're hitting the mitts, it's no just, hey, hit the mitts, pop, pop, pop, boom, we're moving, it's action, boom, heart beating, heart beating, heart breathing, and we're just working at it. | ||
| Yeah, I'm watching and I'm saying it's interesting because he's got you doing a lot of like side to side and angles. | ||
| Oh yeah, listen, I do eight rounds on the bag and I do four rounds with me and I'm moving around. | ||
| Oh, whoo! | ||
| You feel how I go? | ||
| That bag worked. | ||
| What was that bag? | ||
| Was that even really work out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he said, was that really even a workout? | ||
| What was that, the warming up for this? | ||
| What was that about? | ||
| You don't even know that existed after you did those four or five rounds. | ||
| So when you go from April, when you first started doing it again, to now, how much better do you feel? | ||
| Listen, that was just a joke at the beginning. | ||
| You know, right now it's really perking up. | ||
| It feels like real training. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| It's taking that deep breath. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| Do you feel like you could train as hard as you did back when you were in your prime? | ||
| Well, listen, you have a tape here, don't you, that we could look at? | ||
| Is there a film that someone... | ||
| Do you have a film of my tape of me hitting the mitts in my prime and see me hitting the mitts now? | ||
| I bet we do. | ||
| I bet you can find it. | ||
| Somebody must have... | ||
| Hit the mitts in 88 and let me hit the mitts from last weekend. | ||
| You tell me. | ||
| No, listen, I'll tell you. | ||
| You look fucking fantastic. | ||
| That's what's interesting about it. | ||
| I said, wow, that's me. | ||
| I said, look at this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just I had more endurance back then than that, but now I'm catching up. | ||
| Well, that's what's interesting about it. | ||
| It's not like watching an old fighter that has lost it that's just trying to compete. | ||
| It's like watching an old fighter regain those old skills. | ||
| Like, you look great, man. | ||
| That's what's crazy about it. | ||
| I'm just gonna work on this and work off it and keep working on it and see where this goes. | ||
| It's so exciting. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Listen, this is Johnny Ryan, the guy that works with us in Aeros and stuff. | ||
| When we announced the fights, we got in 2.5 billion hits. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| No, this is going to be a huge fight. | ||
| I mean, this fight is probably going to be one of the biggest fights of all time in terms of pay-per-view, in terms of people buying it and watching it. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| There's a great video. | ||
| In terms of helping people as well. | ||
| Of Roy and you training together. | ||
| There's a compilation. | ||
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| It looks like somebody speeded my goddamn film. | ||
| My mother-in-law said they speed that up and my wife said they speed that up. | ||
| I said, no, I think they did not. | ||
| That's the electrician. | ||
| Oh, the electrical muscular stimulation shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it doesn't look like it's sped up. | ||
| It looks like you still have the speed. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| That's what's so exciting about it. | ||
| With a King's MMA shirt on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so exciting! | ||
| It's so exciting, man. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| I'm 100% into this, and I can't wait for the fight to go down. | ||
| It's going to be November 18th now, right? | ||
| I believe that's it. | ||
| 28th. | ||
| 28th? | ||
| November 28th. | ||
| It was enough time for fans and everybody in Thanksgiving to be home and to be able to view it for the holidays and just be able to help more people, the more people that view it. | ||
| This is so exciting, man. | ||
| Now, are you doing weightlifting? | ||
| Are you doing any swimming? | ||
| Like, what are the kind of exercises you're doing? | ||
| The only swim I did was win that shark commercial. | ||
| That was the only swim I was going to ask you about that. | ||
| And we're doing little weights with just a lot of reps and just doing a lot of... | ||
| So you have a strength and conditioning coach? | ||
| Yeah, Brad Rowe. | ||
| Okay, so he's doing... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Brad Rowe. | ||
| I've heard that name before. | ||
| Weightlifting champ, trained weightlifting champs and all that stuff. | ||
| And he's just an awesome person. | ||
| To me, it's kicking butt. | ||
| And how many days a week are you doing strength and conditioning along with your running and your boxing training? | ||
| I think from Monday to Friday. | ||
| I think we do Saturdays, too. | ||
| I say, hey, I'm bored. | ||
| Let's just go Saturday and work, too. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| How good does it feel to get back in shape again, man, and to look great? | ||
| Hey, it feels awesome, but listen, there's nothing easy about it. | ||
| You know, getting in shape is not easy. | ||
| It's just continuous stuff. | ||
| It's consistency. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Big ol' Brad! | ||
| So how the fuck did they talk you into getting in the ocean with sharks? | ||
| What was that all about? | ||
| Listen, I don't know how they did this. | ||
| The money wasn't really that great and stuff. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I'm sorry, Shark World. | ||
| Your guys underpaid me. | ||
| And they had me out there. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| It was really interesting, man. | ||
| It was really interesting. | ||
| I'm just saying, how did these guys get me in here? | ||
| Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. | ||
| And listen, Dana thought he was doing me. | ||
| I don't want Mike to fail. | ||
| I think Mike do a couple of gigs with these guys. | ||
| And I'm saying, thanks a lot, Dana. | ||
| You really like me. | ||
| Dana really like me. | ||
| I'm saying, Dana really cares about me. | ||
| He said, forget the fight. | ||
| I don't want to see Mike fight. | ||
| I want to see Mike go fuck with some sharks. | ||
| Yeah, I would say fighting is probably safer. | ||
| Dana didn't want you to fight, right? | ||
| Yeah, but then he wants me to go with sharks, though! | ||
| Why didn't he want you to fight? | ||
| Did you talk to him about it? | ||
| No. | ||
| He has never seen it until he's seen it and watched me. | ||
| Once he saw you, then he changed his mind? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think once someone sees the dedication that you have, that you're actually fit, that you're actually moving fast, and you actually can compete at a very high level. | ||
| I just had to realize that... | ||
| I'm not going to rush in there like that no more. | ||
| I got to move around. | ||
| I got to do it in a different way. | ||
| Because I tried to go in there the first time sparring, and it was a disaster. | ||
| So I went in there thinking, using my head, moving, and things went the way I wanted it to go. | ||
| How long in training was the first time you sparred? | ||
| First time I sparred? | ||
| 15 years. | ||
| First time you sparred in 15 years. | ||
| And how many months into training was that? | ||
| You started in April. | ||
| So when did you start sparring? | ||
| The really boxing stuff, boxing stuff, is when I did that stuff with... | ||
| I did the stuff with Raphael. | ||
| First time. | ||
| Right, but you mean first sparring. | ||
| First sparring rounds. | ||
| Yeah, it was really weird and stuff. | ||
| But I realized when I was getting hit, boom, boom, boom, I got hit a couple of times. | ||
| I didn't go like, what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| I said, wait, I belong here. | ||
| It brought it back. | ||
| Yeah, I said, I belong here. | ||
| I got rock, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| I got rock and I heard the ring. | ||
| I said, boom, I didn't panic. | ||
| I said, oh, I belong here. | ||
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| I said, I belong here. | ||
| I started moving and started talking about it. | ||
| I said, whoa, I belong here. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| I never said, what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| This shit is crazy. | ||
| It just never happened. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| I was expecting that. | ||
| You were expecting the what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Fuck this shit. | ||
| Hey, hey, stop. | ||
| Fuck this shit, nigga. | ||
| I ain't doing this shit. | ||
| But that's what I was expecting, really. | ||
| But I said, whoa. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| Whoa, I belong here. | ||
| Then you felt it and you readjusted. | ||
| First thing I said, I said, whoa, I belong here. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| How long did it take before you started feeling comfortable sparring? | ||
| The next time I sparred again. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the next time you sparred again, you just could get back into the mindset of what it's like to be competing and moving with another person. | ||
| Yeah, and you can't go for the kill because your body's not moving for the kill now. | ||
| You have to develop the relationship. | ||
| Ooh, this is going to be interesting when you hear this. | ||
| And the fighter probably doesn't understand that, but as he gets older, you have to develop Reacquaint a relationship with your mind and your body. | ||
| Your legs go here before your body's ready to go with it sometimes. | ||
| So you have to... | ||
| They have to sync up. | ||
| Yeah, they have to sync up. | ||
| Now you have to talk. | ||
| Hey, before it was like, wing, wing, wing. | ||
| Before it was like, let's do it. | ||
| Bing, bing, bing. | ||
| Now it's like, hey, let's move here. | ||
| Let's move here. | ||
| You have to talk. | ||
| You lose that tenth of a second when you talk to yourself. | ||
| So you're doing it instantly. | ||
| So do you think eventually you'll get back to automatic? | ||
| Well, we're gonna see. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Yeah, I'd like that, too. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It's exciting, though, man. | ||
| It's very exciting to see you sparring again, to see all that. | ||
| Now, when you're sparring, are you sparring technically? | ||
| Are you sparring hard? | ||
| The first time I went back to sparring, I tried to go all out, and that was disastrous. | ||
| My body wasn't listening. | ||
| And so, like you said, I had to develop that relationship. | ||
| And the second time I sparred, that was so much better. | ||
| I wasn't rushing and trying to hurt nobody, kill nobody. | ||
| I was just trying to accomplish stuff. | ||
| Just get working. | ||
| And how often do you sparring a week? | ||
| When I go back to sparring, I like sparring every day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Every day? | ||
| Yeah, because the more you do it, the better it is. | ||
| Right, the more your timing is, the better you feel. | ||
| What are your thoughts on, like, some people think that you could spar too much and then you leave too much in the gym because you get hit too much in camp? | ||
| Well, that's the whole thing you learn in camp, not to get hit. | ||
| That's the art of boxing, learning not to get hit in the fight, and you have to do that by trying to get hit in the gym real seriously and avoiding that. | ||
| And then it turns out in a fight. | ||
| So you shouldn't be in the gym saying, I've been hit too much because you shouldn't get hit because that should be the objective of fighting, not to get hit as much as you believe you are. | ||
| What do you say to a fighter that sees themselves getting hit too much though in sparring? | ||
| Do you tell them to take some time off or do you say... | ||
| You know what I say? | ||
| I try to teach them how not to avoid those punches. | ||
| And if he doesn't, I don't really want to have much to do with somebody, because I don't want to be involved with somebody getting hit and getting hurt and stuff like that. | ||
| Well, I know you were doing a lot of coaching of just even little small sessions with different fighters, and there's a bunch of stuff on the internet. | ||
| Did you think about doing that in the future? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, not at this moment. | ||
| It just takes a really special person to do that. | ||
| You gotta be a mother, a father, a psychiatrist, a dietitian. | ||
| It's just so many hats you have to wear in being a trainer. | ||
| A good trainer, a true trainer to yourself and your fighters. | ||
| It's just a lot of hats that's really overwhelming for me and my personality. | ||
| I totally can understand that, but I would also imagine that in your mind, there's some knowledge that I would love to see passed on to other fighters in a way like a trainer. | ||
| Only a trainer can do. | ||
| Yeah, I'm the kind of guy, if you want to know from me, you got to learn from a distance. | ||
| Let me talk to you or something. | ||
| I'm not like Cuss. | ||
| Cuss would never get tired answering questions. | ||
| Sometimes my son asked me, so I said, why are these guys answering me? | ||
| Because that's the way I was with Cuss. | ||
| But I'm not Cuss. | ||
| Cuss would love to answer all my questions because Cuss wanted the perception that he knew everything and you should listen to him and take his advice because he knew everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that's what it's like. | ||
| If you was his friend, you always came to him for advice. | ||
| He always wanted advice, wanted to give his advice and let you know that he was a superior thinker and that you should come to him and he'll settle your problems. | ||
| That's just what he was. | ||
| You know, do you ever think back on your life, like, your life with Cuss and just the story, the origin story, is almost like a movie. | ||
| It's almost too crazy. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Let me tell you what happened, man. | ||
| I'm in spot fit detention for boys. | ||
| And Muhammad Ali, they showed the movie The Greatest. | ||
| It's like 77, 76, I'm 11 years old. | ||
| They played Ali. | ||
| And then Ali walks in and talks to the kids. | ||
| And I saw him and I saw everybody going crazy. | ||
| I said, I want to be like him. | ||
| And from there, I go upstate New York. | ||
| There's a guy that used to be a professional boxer named Bobby Stewart. | ||
| Mr. Stewart taught me how to box. | ||
| And eventually he said, I want to introduce you. | ||
| And he took me upstate and met Custom Auto. | ||
| This is all in a couple of months since I've seen Ali. | ||
| And now I'm training to be a boxer. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| And you were 13, right? | ||
| No, I think I was 13, yeah. | ||
| Look, that's like a movie. | ||
| No, I knew I was going to be successful. | ||
| I knew everything was going to go right. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| It was in my blood. | ||
| I was only a kid, but I say, I want to be like that guy. | ||
| And it just started working. | ||
| And it's such an amazing... | ||
| Listen, not even three or four months after I saw Ali, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| I met him. | ||
| I'm in one place. | ||
| I had a fight, trying to stab a guy that I did with a pencil or something. | ||
| I go from there, and I go over to this bad place called Elmwood, this cottage. | ||
| That's where Bobby Stewart, because he's a fighter, and he had to take care of these... | ||
| All the staff there, big strongmen, because they have to take care of these very interesting kids, you know, like... | ||
| Homicidal kids. | ||
| These are kids, but they're really wild. | ||
| And so... | ||
| That's the job. | ||
| We're in the wild. | ||
| We're in the bad college, the lock-up college, Elwood. | ||
| And so we have the bad memories. | ||
| That's the crazy kid college. | ||
| It gets locked down. | ||
| No one can go outside like we. | ||
| They got to be handcuffed when they leave the cottage and stuff. | ||
| And so that's where I've gotten my tutelage. | ||
| That's where I learned to go to school. | ||
| That's where I've learned everything in this bad boy place, this place where all the bad kids at. | ||
| Since they had to have extreme kind of guard, steer, security, Mr. Stewart was a professional boxer, and he would teach the kids how to box if they behaved themselves and got on a certain level in which you can go back there and box. | ||
| And guys were coming back to their dorms. | ||
| I was locked up. | ||
| I wasn't on the level to go because I had just got there, so they put me in the back to lock you up to see what kind of person you are, so they put you in the group. | ||
| And I see these guys coming back with their eyes busted, teeth knocked out of the ribs, but they were happy and they're laughing about this. | ||
| Yo, he fucked you up! | ||
| Yo, baby, you almost got him! | ||
| And I say, yo, what's going on and what's happening? | ||
| They say, yo, we're fighting Mr. Stewart, we're boxing Mr. Stewart, and stuff, and they're happy with them bleeding, tooth knocked out the head. | ||
| But they were happy and there was enthusiasm. | ||
| I said, I wanted to do that too because I wanted to be tough. | ||
| And so Mr. Stewart, I talked to him. | ||
| He didn't want to teach me. | ||
| So I started cleaning and being a real nice kid to everybody because I wanted to learn how to box because all the kids were happy. | ||
| And he started teaching me how to box. | ||
| It's crazy that you met Cuss, too, because out of all the people that you could meet, no one was better at the psychological game. | ||
| Oh, I would never have been the champ if I wasn't from Cuss, because he put stuff in my mind. | ||
| I started thinking about myself being these people, visualizing myself being, I don't know, great or somebody. | ||
| I've never done that in my life. | ||
| I've never heard, not even in the ghetto, somebody say this. | ||
| Like, I said, wow, he's great. | ||
| I'm talking about, like, Holmes. | ||
| I said, wow, he's incredible. | ||
| I said, why is he incredible? | ||
| I don't think it's that incredible. | ||
| Why shouldn't you have that? | ||
| Why should he have that and not you? | ||
| I've never heard Smythe say that to me. | ||
| But Cuss was a master at the psychological game. | ||
| Master. | ||
| You would hear him talk about things, just reading the things that he's written about the psychology of fighting. | ||
| He was the perfect guy for you. | ||
| It was almost like the stars aligned. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It really is like a movie. | ||
| It really is like it all lined up. | ||
| And plus, physically, you were so unusual. | ||
| You were so unusual, so gifted. | ||
| I mean, even when you were really young. | ||
| Everybody told him that he can't be able to be too small. | ||
| No, I'm too short. | ||
| No way in the world he can be too short, Cuss. | ||
| He's too small. | ||
| He's got the 225, 230. Well, obviously they were wrong. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| But it was also... | ||
| You might have been short, but you had the best style, and Cuss developed that with you, the best style to deal with the fact that you were shorter. | ||
| The bobbing and the weaving, the constant pressure. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I believe... | ||
| Style is relevant. | ||
| I believe it's the morale behind the style. | ||
| I think success in fighting in life is about desire and the will. | ||
| How bad do you want it? | ||
| Is it worth dying for? | ||
| That's the true greatness is the willingness to die. | ||
| So is this thing worth greatness? | ||
| The mindset that he instilled in you and the way he gave you the tools in order to think about things in a way that fueled that mindset. | ||
| Yeah, but that doesn't do good in the real world though. | ||
| It's really disastrous in the real world. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That is true, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| It's like the very thing that made you special could fuck you in the real world with regular people. | ||
| Oh, the real world. | ||
| Guys like that go to prison. | ||
| They don't exist in the real world. | ||
| They gotta take them out of there. | ||
| They have to remove them from the real world, those kind of people like myself. | ||
| Isn't that what's crazy? | ||
| Like, that's where the crazy adjustment has to come in, where you have to learn how to be, and that's where cannabis helped you a lot, too. | ||
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Yeah, a lot. | |
| Oh, man, forget it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But now you're not smoking any weed getting ready for this fight. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Do you miss it? | ||
| Well, I understand the discipline of this stuff. | ||
| But what I don't like about it is just that without cannabis, it doesn't matter. | ||
| I just get mean. | ||
| I don't like the mean stuff. | ||
| I don't like I might snap at my wife or my kids. | ||
| That's what I don't like. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Well, I see the sparkle in your eye again. | ||
| It's a little different right now than the last time I was talking to you. | ||
| There's a little more intensity going on. | ||
| But it's also, you're ramping up. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I'm just always, um... | ||
| I'm sometimes, um... | ||
| I get beside myself and I forget that I have to be grateful for what God did in general. | ||
| Sometimes I get caught up into my ego. | ||
| It's just a struggle, but I'm working on it. | ||
| I never worked on it before, so that's a start. | ||
| I never considered working on it before. | ||
| But that is the thing, right? | ||
| What gets you to be a championship-level fighter can really fuck you up in the rest of your life. | ||
| Oh, I can't believe it. | ||
| I'm so happy my wife is still with me. | ||
| I'm just very grateful because I'm just useless and stuff. | ||
| I have to learn how to live life. | ||
| Life, I'm disastrous in living life. | ||
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Oh, fuck. | |
| Fucking joke. | ||
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I get it, man. | |
| You would never believe, you know, I'm using these nice words and I'm conducting myself. | ||
| You come to my nice house and you would say, this guy is just an uncool Neanderthal. | ||
| You know, so I just listen to my wife. | ||
| People think it's stupid. | ||
| I listen to this right. | ||
| So she told me before I came in. | ||
| Be kind and be nice to everyone. | ||
| Be kind and nice. | ||
| Because I don't eat most of the time. | ||
| I only eat after we eat. | ||
| And if I don't eat enough, she says she's going to get angry. | ||
| Can you please eat? | ||
| So she's forcing me to eat this stuff for Friday. | ||
| Goodness. | ||
| And so I said, okay, I eat. | ||
| But she's right. | ||
| Because we've been married 11 years. | ||
| Well, you got a good one then, man. | ||
| You got someone who balances you out. | ||
| Someone who understands you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Listen, I was talking to her. | ||
| Sometimes I think about we're together and this is going to be over soon and we're going to die. | ||
| One of us is going to die before the other one is going to say, I would not know what to do if you died first. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I had to take care of these kids because her whole life is me and all my kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Her life is me and not only the two kids that we have, but her life is me and all my kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And... | ||
| I would just love her and marry her just for that alone. | ||
| No pussy, no passion, no sex, that alone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's beautiful, man. | ||
| Find someone who balances you out like that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But that, what we were talking about, where the very fire that gets you to be Mike Tyson, that turns you into this destroyer inside the ring, will, if you don't learn how to control it, will fuck you up in every other aspect. | ||
| No, listen to him. | ||
| For instance, after my one-round fights, Some of them calls me lawsuits because right after that, you think I'm calmed down. | ||
| You think after 30 seconds or 45 seconds, hey, he's cool. | ||
| After one round, everything's cool. | ||
| He's happy. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| It's still ringing. | ||
| It's revving up. | ||
| It's still revved. | ||
| It's not finished. | ||
| It's not dead. | ||
| The energy's not dead. | ||
| Not the energy that you jet. | ||
| The energy of hurting somebody or continuing to hit somebody. | ||
| It's revved up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the first thing you hear that indicates altercation. | ||
| It's not, hey, what? | ||
| It's just off. | ||
| You have no control over it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's almost like you're insane. | ||
| Like, why can I stop this? | ||
| Why is this happening to me? | ||
| Why am I in jail right now? | ||
| And you're Mike Tyson, so it's not like anybody can tell you not to do it, or anybody can tell you to shut up or calm down. | ||
| You're not going to listen to anybody. | ||
| You're the fucking king of the world. | ||
| But it just gets crazy when the people in the jail and prison know you real well, you know? | ||
| They're familiar with you. | ||
| When they see you, they're not excited now, right? | ||
| They get really familiar with you. | ||
| Jamie Foxx is going to play you in a movie. | ||
| That's going to be interesting. | ||
| That's going to be interesting. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| If anybody can do it, Jamie Foxx can do it. | ||
| That's a talented man. | ||
| He's really good at what he's done. | ||
| He's fucking talented. | ||
| That guy can do anything. | ||
| He's one of those dudes, you listen to him sing, you hear him play music, you see him do stand-up comedy, then you see him act, you're like, this fucking guy can do anything. | ||
| He's just one of those dudes that can just lock in on something and he can do anything. | ||
| Yo listen, when the light is on you, when the universe put the light on you, there's nothing stronger than a person whose time has come. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all about the light, man. | ||
| All of us get it. | ||
| You may not think the homeless man in the corner, the blind and paralyzed guy that's begging with the cup. | ||
| We all get that moment of shine. | ||
| We all get it. | ||
| Feelings, performance, whatever it is, we all get it. | ||
| Now when Jamie is playing you, I know Michael Jai White played you once. | ||
| Did you talk to him about that? | ||
| No, I didn't know him or anything. | ||
| I was in jail when this guy was doing this stuff. | ||
| Do you know Michael Jai? | ||
| I met him a few times. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He appears to be. | ||
| Very, very nice guy. | ||
| I've known him for a long time. | ||
| And very respectful guy, too. | ||
| But was it weird watching someone play you? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| That ego shit kicks in, so I'm watching it. | ||
| And he had some good qualities in it. | ||
| He did some really good stuff that I thought... | ||
| But the stuff that he did that represented me, I don't think people even picked up on it. | ||
| Like what kind of stuff? | ||
| It's the way he moved his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People don't know. | ||
| I crack my neck all the time. | ||
| Yeah, what was that about? | ||
| You were always doing that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what had happened. | ||
| When I had fought... | ||
| Bone Crusher Smith's head hit me, and the next thing I know, I don't know how to crick him out. | ||
| I couldn't stop. | ||
| My neck was messed up, so I had to go to a chiropractor. | ||
| I don't know what the heck was wrong with it. | ||
| It was a nerve. | ||
| It was a nerve. | ||
| So it was from the Bone Crusher Smith's head? | ||
| Well, that's when I started doing it. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| I had some nerves. | ||
| It was a nerve that was... | ||
| Did you ever have neck problems like you needed surgery? | ||
| Yeah, I had surgery in my neck. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| You remember when I used to do those rolls on my head? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The football roll? | ||
| They destroyed me. | ||
| They destroyed your neck. | ||
| I would do them for three minutes and stop a minute and do them for three minutes. | ||
| I'd do it for five or six or eight rounds. | ||
| And as time went on, they just beat me up. | ||
| That gave you a crazy fucking neck, though, man. | ||
| Your neck used to start at your temples and just go straight down. | ||
| For fighting, you need a good neck. | ||
| Are you doing anything to strengthen your neck down? | ||
| Yes, I have the weight stuff. | ||
| You ever use an iron neck? | ||
| Tell me about that. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a halo. | ||
| I'll give you one. | ||
| I have one in the back. | ||
| It's a halo. | ||
| You put it on. | ||
| You pump it up. | ||
| It fits around your head. | ||
| And then it's got a bungee cord on it. | ||
| So you back up like this. | ||
| The bungee cord's 50 pounds. | ||
| And then you do these. | ||
| And because it doesn't do this with your neck, it doesn't put pressure on the discs. | ||
| So it doesn't move the discs in an unnatural way with weight. | ||
| Yeah, because you can do all these different exercises on it. | ||
| But it doesn't ever bend your disc. | ||
| So it strengthens the neck without doing damage to your discs. | ||
| That sounds interesting. | ||
| You know what I have? | ||
| I would love that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| I have a treadmill that you have to put on some shorts first, and then you zip it. | ||
| Oh, in the water? | ||
| No, it's not water. | ||
| You put on some shorts, you zip the shorts with the plastic that covers the machine, and you start running. | ||
| And then you can run as fast as you can, you won't feel anything. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| But it's not water inside of it? | ||
| No, it's running a treadmill. | ||
| It's under plastic, and it's zipped up around you. | ||
| This thing right here? | ||
| Zero gravity treadmill, is that it? | ||
| That's what it is, yeah. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| How's that working? | ||
| That's pretty awesome. | ||
| You don't feel anything, then you take the pants off. | ||
| You feel all the sex, you might fall to the floor. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's really cool. | ||
| So this way it doesn't beat up your joints? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But listen, this is what people don't understand. | ||
| Yeah, you have a machine that don't beat up, but when you're running outside... | ||
| The high of running outside is almost worth messing your joints up. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, the high you get from running outside. | ||
| What's the difference between the high you get from running outside? | ||
| I do, I do. | ||
| I do run outside, but what do you feel? | ||
| Man, it's just, I can't even articulate this. | ||
| Between being outside running and It's like night and day. | ||
| Being inside a house on a treadmill, being outside running, it's like night and day. | ||
| You can't even compare the two. | ||
| Is it because you're moving, you're traveling distance? | ||
| Is it because you're breathing in the fresh air? | ||
| It's a spiritual difference. | ||
| It's just a spiritual difference. | ||
| Running, hearing the birds, hearing the whatever it is the animals running through, breaking the sticks and the weeds. | ||
| You're just conscious of everything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's real running as opposed to just exercise on a machine. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Even if you have a headphone on, you're still conscious of everything out there. | ||
| Now, have you talked to Jamie Foxx? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| While he's getting ready to do this? | ||
| I talk to Jamie just periodically, all the time. | ||
| We don't even talk about the film. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, we don't talk about it. | ||
| Now, he's getting bulked up, too. | ||
| He's getting jacked. | ||
| He looks huge. | ||
| I just wait till he's finished. | ||
| When is this supposed to take place? | ||
| Hey, whenever he's ready, I guess. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| So when he gets ready to do it, is he going to hang out with you and try to take on your mannerisms? | ||
| Well, he's known for quite a long time, so he knows my mannerisms. | ||
| He's not going to... | ||
| If I died, he can do me. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Pretty much, you know, so he wouldn't have to be around me. | ||
| Do you want to help him? | ||
| Do you want to give him any pointers or anything? | ||
| Whatever he wants. | ||
| Whatever help and what areas and what direction he needs me to help him in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I'm capable of doing it, yeah. | ||
| If you're going to have someone play you, I think he's the perfect person. | ||
| He's just good. | ||
| And there's other guys too, but he's just... | ||
| He just knows the real... | ||
| He has been there. | ||
| It's hard to get a guy that's just... | ||
| 20 years old, and then we're going to have him portrayed as a 25. And he just never get it right. | ||
| When somebody understands the environment that they lived in at that particular time, and they create that environment again in their mind once they're under the influence of that person they're portraying, Jamie's going to just knock it out the park. | ||
| He'll knock it out the park, for sure. | ||
| He understands that environment and that chemistry he's going to reconnect. | ||
| Now, are you going to be a consultant on this move or anything to make sure that it's all legit? | ||
| Listen, Jamie will be around me. | ||
| He'll discuss it with me. | ||
| I'm sure we have that taken care of as well. | ||
| But, you know, we're just going to work this out the best way possible for both of us, I believe. | ||
| Now, is it supposed to follow you when you're a young man, or is it supposed to be you as a champion? | ||
| Well, we're not going to talk about that right now. | ||
| There's going to be a bunch of stuff, but you're going to really dig it. | ||
| I'm going to tell them some really interesting stuff. | ||
| So you're saying that running outside, it's worth it, just for the spiritual difference. | ||
| It's worth the beating up on the joints. | ||
| Does it fuck with your joints? | ||
| Do you have knee problems or ankle problems these days? | ||
| Yeah, I do, but the guys I work with, they take care of that right away. | ||
| You know, it's almost like it's like, I don't know. | ||
| It's like, I don't know. | ||
| I want to say healing like I'm 18, but it's almost like putting super glue on your joints. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know, like super glue and it gets stuck in your finger. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Get the super glue. | ||
| You know, remember that time you put it on your finger and you're stuck in your finger. | ||
| God, you can't get it off. | ||
| It's like super glue. | ||
| It is interesting what they can do today. | ||
| You could heal and recover way better than you ever could before. | ||
| There was no 54-year-old men that looked like you when we were kids. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Jack O'Lane was the only one. | ||
| Yeah, and even Jack Lane, I mean, he was kind of fit, but he was just fit because he was disciplined. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he continued to exercise deep into his 90s. | ||
| Well, discipline is what it's all about. | ||
| I don't care how good you are in anything, you don't have discipline, you ain't nobody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're nothing without discipline. | ||
| Because you give up on the slightest struggle without discipline. | ||
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| And that has to be something that you also learn from Cuss as well. | ||
| I don't know what discipline is. | ||
| I don't know what discipline is. | ||
| He told me discipline is doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it. | ||
| Doing what you hate to do, but do it like you love it. | ||
| That is a great quote. | ||
| And if you can do that, you can be successful in anything. | ||
| You normally are. | ||
| You'd be the best janitor in the history of janitors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I used to use that for a perspective, not just putting those janitors down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the best of it. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| When all is said and done, I would love it if someone sat down with you and made maybe a book of all the things that Cuss taught you. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All those things that Cuss taught me nowadays would not be cool. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Cuss was born in 1908. In 1908, they had a different opinion of people having opinions like women and stuff like that. | ||
| And Cuss... | ||
| Cuss believing... | ||
| That he cared for the downtrodden people and this and that for the blacks and Latinos and Irish people who were being abused by the Irish people of that time, which is crazy. | ||
| He really was that guy. | ||
| He was the guy that fought for the people that didn't have anyone to fight for them. | ||
| He was just that guy. | ||
| He wanted to be that person. | ||
| He wanted to be a person that people looked up to and he was the boss and stuff. | ||
| He just wanted to be that person. | ||
| And when I read his book and I found it about him, he was successful his whole life. | ||
| He was always the guy in the neighborhood that people came through to settle beefs and talk things over and loan people stuff and help people out. | ||
| And he liked being in that position of being able to teach people something, what he believed was teaching them something. | ||
| He knew so much about the human mind. | ||
| Well, when he died, this is very interesting. | ||
| We went and died, and Camille, I lived with him and Camille, and we went out and cleaned the room, and when I saw it in the room, I saw all books about psychiatry and the mind and everything, and mystic stuff and all that stuff. | ||
| And I said, this is what he was really about. | ||
| Yeah, he just, like, he believed he was a mystic believer as well. | ||
| He believed in Zen and the art of... | ||
| Archery and all of those books. | ||
| He was just a believer in more than what we saw. | ||
| You know, it was more than what we could physically articulate going on with us as human beings or what we are called. | ||
| When you sit back and you think about your career and how fortunate you were to run into that guy, I mean, how much did that play a part in your mind? | ||
| Like when you knocked out Trevor Burbick, became the youngest ever heavyweight champion, when you're thinking about that, did you ever stop and think like, man, how lucky am I that I ran into that man? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He said he summons me. | ||
| He summoned you. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Makes sense. | ||
| I mean, you think about a man whose life work involved psychiatry, involved the mind, boxing, hypnosis, training all these boxers, Floyd Patterson, had all these great fighters, and then he wants one great one before it's over, and he summoned you. | ||
| No, he wants an animal. | ||
| An animal. | ||
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He summoned you. | |
| What'd that feel like for you? | ||
| Does it make sense? | ||
| No, I believe what he told me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I don't know if I believe you could summon someone, but goddamn, that seems like it's real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That seems like it's real. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think you can do whatever you believe you can do. | ||
| If you really believe it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that was what I got out of all the things that I read about you and him together, and being able to talk to you about you and him, is that he gave you these tools to understand the way your mind worked, and you just ran with him. | ||
| I'm an extreme kind of person. | ||
| Yeah, so I get carried away. | ||
| If your confidence is not a delusional perspective, you have the right confidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You get so amped up, Mike. | ||
| Even he's sitting here talking to you about these things, I could see it in you. | ||
| You get amped up even just talking about achieving things, talking about success, talking about the mind. | ||
| You know, I could see it inside of you. | ||
| You get very fired up about these things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have to be serious about anything I want to accomplish. | ||
| Yeah, that intensity is what made you special. | ||
| I'm mean, Joe. | ||
| I can't have people. | ||
| This is the first time I had my wife and kids around me. | ||
| Normally, this can't happen. | ||
| I have to be away from them. | ||
| For camp? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I can tell, man. | ||
| You're different right now than the last time I saw you. | ||
| I can tell you're ramping up for this fight. | ||
| Yeah, it's just what it is. | ||
| I don't know if I like being who I am. | ||
| It's just who I am. | ||
| Are you planning on doing this and then seeing whether or not you're cool with it after it's over? | ||
| And then maybe going back to the way you were? | ||
| I just want to do it. | ||
| You just want to do it? | ||
| Yeah, let's just do it. | ||
| Only think about that for now and then let all the chips fall where they may after it's over? | ||
| I just do it. | ||
| I just want to do it. | ||
| I like doing it. | ||
| I don't think it's going to be disastrous enough that this is going to be awesome and we're going to do it. | ||
| I'm so glad you're doing it, man. | ||
| There's a lot of people that had negative opinions about it. | ||
| And I was like, listen. | ||
| No, this is interesting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's think about it. | ||
| How old are you? | ||
| You're not that old. | ||
| I'm 53. I'm a year younger than you. | ||
| Yeah, but listen, the fact is, like, when they said they can't get people on the moon, because they didn't want to believe it. | ||
| Because it's like, they don't want to believe it. | ||
| But what they're going to say when it happens. | ||
| I think there's a difference in today than there was in 20 years ago when you were dealing with a 54-year-old person, when you're talking about recovery, sports science, what they know about how to make the body work, what they know about training and conditioning. | ||
| People are just different now. | ||
| Yeah, but all you have to do, you could be on so many steroids and pills or whatever they got, health growth and all that stuff, but listen... | ||
| You could be the best physical shape in your right if you don't go out there with a good mental perspective. | ||
| It's going to turn out disastrous. | ||
| Yeah, if you're not mentally prepared. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be disastrous. | ||
| But that's the thing that I'm liking about talking to you. | ||
| You seem very mentally prepared. | ||
| You're ramped up, Mike. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if I am. | ||
| It's just that this is who I am. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I like fighting. | ||
| Well, that's why you were so fucking great at it. | ||
| And that's what's so exciting about this is that you're back into that mindset again. | ||
| I guess so, yeah. | ||
| I try to control it because I have to know. | ||
| I have people at home I have to just level my personality down for. | ||
| That's the problem, right? | ||
| The problem is living regular life. | ||
| Once you turn the switch on, just to keep... | ||
| You know, normally when I'm in this mode, I only want a slave. | ||
| I don't want a family member! | ||
| I have to cut stuff down and we all have to be from a humanity perspective. | ||
| You get in the conqueror's mindset. | ||
| It's just that I think everything should go my way while I'm going through this process. | ||
| I think no should be a foreign language for this next two months. | ||
| For what I need to prepare for what I need to prepare for. | ||
| Everything should go your way. | ||
| Yeah, from my perspective, from me knowing me, preparing for what I need to prepare for, yeah. | ||
| That's an alien thought process for most people. | ||
| They don't understand, like, to be Mike Tyson, to be who you were when you were at the top, you have to think like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think everyone thinks. | ||
| I think you think like that. | ||
| You think like that, too. | ||
| That's what I mean to fight. | ||
| I think the fight is the most extreme version of that, though. | ||
| For you to prepare for the... | ||
| Let's say you had Joe Biden in here. | ||
| For you to prepare for that, that's going to be very interesting, right? | ||
| You're not going to come at him like you came at somebody that you know that you're comfortable with. | ||
| You're going to look at him from a different perspective. | ||
| Let me hit him from this part and see where this comes from because he's going to look at you as just some sports jock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you're going to say, I'm going to surprise them and come at them from this direction. | ||
| That's just how we think, the competitive. | ||
| We don't want nobody to think what we are. | ||
| We want them to have a little bit of figuring out process of what we are. | ||
| If I had Joe Biden in here, I think I'd get really high before I talk to him. | ||
| Oh, that would be beautiful. | ||
| I think he would be high, too. | ||
| You can't tell me he's not a high guy. | ||
| He looks like he's a high guy. | ||
| He's going to be a high. | ||
| He definitely seems like he's on something. | ||
| Yeah, but I would get really high before I talk to a dude like that. | ||
| That would be awful. | ||
| You know how sometimes when you're real high, you feel energy from people, good or bad? | ||
| You feel. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you hunt some mushrooms, you got them pegged. | ||
| Whoa, baby! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When you hunt some mushrooms, you see who they really are behind the screen. | ||
| If my wife don't like me, there's no mushrooms. | ||
| She said, you're on shrooms again, huh? | ||
| Don't come in here with no damn shrooms. | ||
| Shrooms and DMT. Don't mess with shrooms and... | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Chunga. | ||
| Don't mess with no... | ||
| Chunga and shrooms. | ||
| That's a no-no for me at the house. | ||
| Don't bring that shit home. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's funny, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just even microdosing. | ||
| If you microdose mushrooms and you're around people, especially if someone's lying to you, especially if they're pretending they're something they're not... | ||
| Listen, I've done mushrooms alone. | ||
| Before, I used to do like a bag. | ||
| And then I stopped for like three months. | ||
| And I said, let me just do a little. | ||
| I'm looking at the tub and bang! | ||
| I'm God and you guys are just here for my entertainment laughing laughing laughing watching television and it's cool and then it starts sounding whoa it sounds good and then boom it hits you I know some dudes who train on it They like to train on mushrooms. | ||
| Listen, you know what I did? | ||
| I took some mushrooms and I did the bike for two hours, but it was like... | ||
| It was just like, I was in a zone... | ||
| But breathing heavy. | ||
| I can hear my breathing. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| I'm going to die. | ||
| I'm thinking you're going to die. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I don't stop rolling. | ||
| I'm thinking I'm dead. | ||
| Because that's what mushrooms do. | ||
| It makes you believe you're dead. | ||
| It gives you that feeling of fucking, like, boom. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm living dead. | ||
| You're feeling that your soul is separate from your physical body. | ||
| Listen, why can't they... | ||
| Listen, stop. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| No. | ||
| It's like you're in this room, right? | ||
| I'm in this room. | ||
| Well, you said that blew my mind yesterday. | ||
| I'm in the room, and all the room is like... | ||
| It could be like... | ||
| The whole room, this whole room is like... | ||
| Covered in like a... | ||
| Kind of like... | ||
| Shaded, visible, and I'm just covered. | ||
| And it's just me and everything. | ||
| The whole world is outside of me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like I'm gone and everything is just my entertainment. | ||
| I'm just looking in and no one sees me. | ||
| It's just, oh man, forget it. | ||
| I gotta run up and say, hey, baby, baby, baby, even though I've been hiding this stuff for my... | ||
| Baby, baby, I took some shrooms. | ||
| I'm not feeling good, baby. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm just not feeling good. | ||
| I'm seeing shit. | ||
| I'm not feeling good. | ||
| What does your wife say when you do that? | ||
| She says, I told you not to use that shit. | ||
| Stop doing it. | ||
| I learn things when I do them, though, too. | ||
| I learn things about myself. | ||
| Oh, do I? Yeah. | ||
| And I said, see, baby? | ||
| Because when I do learn, I tell my wife, she said, this is true. | ||
| I said, see, the shrooms. | ||
| The shrooms, mom, it's the shrooms. | ||
| It gives me that enlightenment. | ||
| But it's also, once I do shrooms sometimes, I know why I have to stop doing the shrooms, because I start doing it too much, and then I lose the concept of time. | ||
| I might have been, like you say, me and my wife's in the car. | ||
| We drop off the kid to a class that she goes once every week. | ||
| We drop her off, then we come back to the house, and I just say, Hey, where's Milan? | ||
| We just dropped off, Mike, and I lost that concept. | ||
| I lost that time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it makes regular life seem trivial. | ||
| Things like time, it doesn't mean anything anymore. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have to keep appointments. | ||
| Oh no, I'm not going to make that. | ||
| And if you go there and if your body, if the shrooms tell you, hey, you shouldn't really be here, this is not worth our time, this is not what we're vibing on to reach the higher level, this becomes disastrous. | ||
| This guy becomes the enemy now. | ||
| He's stopping my enlightening me now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, shrooms, I think there should be clinics all over the country. | ||
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Some of them do. | |
| They are cyberten, what's it called? | ||
| Supacibin. | ||
| Psilocybin? | ||
| Psilocybin, yeah. | ||
| But it's still a Schedule I drug, unfortunately, in this country, but I think there should be clinics where professionals... | ||
| Listen, have you heard about the White Cobra? | ||
| The white cobra? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, he should do a great psychedelic too. | ||
| What's another psychedelic? | ||
| Oh, the lizard's tail, the centipede. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Of course, you know the toe. | ||
| The centipede, what else? | ||
| The jellyfish, I believe it's one. | ||
| And they have quite a few animals that... | ||
| Possess that... | ||
| Psychedelic chemicals? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we're being fucked in this country because they keep that shit from us and they make it illegal. | ||
| And so many people have learned great things about themselves through mushrooms and through all kinds of different psychedelics, especially micro-dosing. | ||
| They learned how to stop us from drinking. | ||
| They gave us a rule to stop us from drinking by taking shrooms and LSD and stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stops people from smoking cigarettes. | ||
| I just think we abused them. | ||
| I think they've been using them since the beginning of time and we just People like us, we abuse them. | ||
| Yeah, but people abuse everything. | ||
| They abuse cheeseburgers and alcohol. | ||
| You should be able to take whatever you want as a grown man. | ||
| And the fact that this country keeps it from us and keeps it illegal, it's fucked up. | ||
| Because it could benefit so many people. | ||
| I think we would have a better society. | ||
| Well, it would benefit the people that they wanted to benefit. | ||
| The people who are hiding from us are the ones that are getting benefit. | ||
| I think the people that are hiding from us, they're protected pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| Well, listen, I don't know who they are, but I know they're somebody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's a lot of factors. | ||
| There's a lot of factors. | ||
| But for me personally, and for a lot of people that I know, they've gained great benefits from psychedelics. | ||
| What do you think about this world we live in? | ||
| What do you think about it? | ||
| How did it ever exist? | ||
| What is the origin of it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the world is a strange place and stranger right now because of COVID and because everyone's locked down, society's kind of fucked up. | ||
| I just think we as human beings, what we are, who we are, whatever we exist to be, we're fucking germs and we're the cause of everything that happens to us. | ||
| I just always think that people let out the virus. | ||
| We're viruses. | ||
| We're fungus. | ||
| That's what we are, fungus. | ||
| If we look at it from the perspective of consciousness, what do we do? | ||
| We get sick, we get other people sick, and we die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever heard of Terence McKenna? | ||
| You know who Terence McKenna is? | ||
| No, tell me about Terence. | ||
| Terence McKenna was a brilliant ethnobotanist. | ||
| He was a guy that worked with plants and he was into psychedelics and he had a theory called the stoned ape theory and he believed that human beings became human beings because of psychedelics. | ||
| He thinks that we developed into human beings when lower hominids, like ancient man, was experimenting with mushrooms. | ||
| That could be interesting. | ||
| So I think, well, let me not think that. | ||
| Let me say, I saw documentaries. | ||
| And from the documentaries, it appears to be that the world was created off of drugs. | ||
| Someone's taking some drugs and they're preaching that belief to be divine intervention from God. | ||
| This is how the world was discovered. | ||
| Have you ever done some research in the history of drugs? | ||
| Yeah, I've definitely done some research in the history of drugs. | ||
| Oh, so I'm sure you understand. | ||
| Well, drugs and human beings, for sure, it accelerates creativity, right? | ||
| It gives people ideas. | ||
| But the idea behind psilocybin is a bunch of ideas. | ||
| One of them is that it actually can make people think about things like language, and that language could have come about From people making these connections from psilocybin. | ||
| It also makes people a little bit more creative. | ||
| It makes people horny. | ||
| It increases visual acuity. | ||
| Makes them compassionate. | ||
| Makes them compassionate. | ||
| Would bond them in terms of community. | ||
| And love. | ||
| They have the love component as well. | ||
| And if you think about it, for long periods of time, if that became a part of the human diet, it would make sense that that was one of the things that made people better. | ||
| No, it would make sense because the diet has always been abused. | ||
| Our diet is being abused now because that's why we have the obesity. | ||
| Sure, now, but... | ||
| And that's what happens with all these... | ||
| Extreme drugs and alternative drugs, we abuse them. | ||
| We take them too much. | ||
| We smoke too much weed. | ||
| We smoke too many cigarettes. | ||
| We do too much of everything. | ||
| Yeah, we do abuse shit. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| But don't you think that that same abuse, that's also what makes people great at things too? | ||
| Because that same, almost the same mindset that allows someone to abuse drugs or abuse gambling and become obsessed with pornography also is the same mindset, if channeled the right way, that allows someone to become obsessed with boxing. | ||
| What prevents them from doing the right thing from the wrong thing with the same feeling? | ||
| The majority of the world is not even 50 years old. | ||
| So this is going to be a struggle for the next 100 years. | ||
| That's going to be until we get that. | ||
| That's going to have to be our main objective to develop that in order to succeed as human beings. | ||
| Yeah, no truer words have ever been said. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's emotional intelligence. | ||
| Because listen, our feelings are enslaved by our emotions and our emotions are enslaved by our feelings. | ||
| And sometimes we sort of placate those emotions by drowning it in food or in booze or in gambling or sex or anything that can distract you. | ||
| And then we turn that... | ||
| And to memories. | ||
| And then we become a slave to our memories and it never stops. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's who we are. | ||
| We are an alcoholic. | ||
| We are a gambling addict. | ||
| No, we allowed ourselves to become that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We could stop from coming that just like we learned Alcoholics Anonymous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we can learn from that. | ||
| So that's why they learned from that, so now it's not hopeless anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's why it's so hard for people, because they have a memory of all the things they've done that's wrong, and they do it all the time, and that becomes who they think they are. | ||
| So they start changing the picture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's all about changing the channel, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Change that channel in life. | ||
| Well, that's what's so exciting about you with this new chapter of your life. | ||
| You've just completely changed who you are. | ||
| You went from pot smoking Mike Tyson, who's running Tyson Ranch, who's this real nice guy to hang around with, doing hot boxing with Mike Tyson, fun to be with, everything's great, and all of a sudden, whoop, you shift right back into Mike Tyson, the murderer again. | ||
| Well, it's just that... | ||
| As I said earlier today, if we knew who we were, we'd be very limited. | ||
| We don't know who we are. | ||
| You don't know what you might do tomorrow when you wake up. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Are you married? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, listen, you might get married again. | ||
| You might go crazy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You might take out a new job. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Well, that's one of the exciting things about life, right? | ||
| I mean, this has to be an exciting time for you to make this big switch. | ||
| Yeah, I think about that too. | ||
| I think about a lot like, you know, I'm 54 and that I'm not going to be here much longer. | ||
| And when I go, am I going to see my wife and kids again, the friends that I've loved all my life, am I going to see them again? | ||
| I start thinking about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, when we think about it, this guy's book, what is it? | ||
| One Beat Away From Our Internal Journey. | ||
| Some guy sent me that book. | ||
| And I said, wow, this is pretty cool. | ||
| Because it's true. | ||
| We're only one heartbeat away from dying and going on that long ride of not knowing or feeling. | ||
| Because that's when I was on the told DMT, it's all about feeling. | ||
| The feel makes the reality. | ||
| How much did that change your perspective on life when you had those experiences? | ||
| It got me in shape. | ||
| It got me this. | ||
| This is what it had me do. | ||
| As soon as I did it, the first time I did it, it just blew my mind. | ||
| Then I did it again and said, hey, you better get in shape. | ||
| Let's get in shape. | ||
| Let's get in. | ||
| What the fuck's wrong with you? | ||
| Yeah, I'm listening and that's what I did. | ||
| I told you. | ||
| Hey, you're fucking up. | ||
| Especially when you think about it. | ||
| See, I'm not the guy you have to say, hey, Mike, man, you know, you gained a few pounds. | ||
| Let's kind of work it out, man. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| Hey, you big, fat, dumb nigga. | ||
| Get your shit together. | ||
| Look at you, big, fat motherfucker. | ||
| You're a fat, lazy motherfucker. | ||
| That motivates me. | ||
| You need to hear that. | ||
| And you need to tell it to yourself. | ||
| Yeah, no, anybody, the right person needs to tell it to me, too. | ||
| Who the fuck's going to say that to you? | ||
| They do. | ||
| Hey, hey. | ||
| Hey, I listened. | ||
| I was somewhere around Freddie. | ||
| I went somewhere to do something. | ||
| Then I saw one of Freddie Roach's trainers, Irish guy, European guy, and he knew me for years because I used to work with him. | ||
| He said, what the fuck is wrong with you? | ||
| Look at you, man. | ||
| This is not fucking right. | ||
| Look at, oh, Mike, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| And wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I felt this big. | ||
| And he sat around a bunch of people. | ||
| But he said, you know this is not right. | ||
| This is not right. | ||
| And I said, fuck. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| And I got right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people would call that fat shaming. | ||
| But I think fat shaming works. | ||
| For me. | ||
| Works for me, too. | ||
| If I got fat, I would want somebody to yell at me. | ||
| If somebody's not yelling at me and I found out and he thought that I was a fat motherfucker and he wouldn't tell me I wouldn't be a friend of him. | ||
| I wouldn't be cool with him no more. | ||
| If he's not telling me, yo, Mike, man, this is not right, man. | ||
| At least let me know. | ||
| I might not want to do it, but let me know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That I'm not looking good. | ||
| Shit ain't right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because the guy ain't going to tell you he's hanging around, let you stay eating and fucking hanging around, drinking. | ||
| That's the enemy, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the enemy. | ||
| So, you do the DMT trip, and then you have it in your head, like, hey, I gotta get in shape. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like, sometimes you say, like, body shaming doesn't hurt people. | ||
| It hurts some people. | ||
| To me, it makes me, hey, man, let me, it helps me. | ||
| That's the kind, I'm that guy. | ||
| Yeah, the only way it hurts people is if you don't listen. | ||
| If someone says you're fat and then it hurts your feelings but you don't work out, then it hurts you. | ||
| But if someone says you're fat and it hurts your feelings and you say, I'm going to use this as a motivator to get back in shape, then it helps you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Fat shaming is only bad if you don't stop being fat. | ||
| Yeah, I never looked at it as fat shaming. | ||
| That's what you said, like, who's going to say it to Mike? | ||
| Like, I don't respect that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The guy that thinks like that, I'm not going to tell him, oh, that's my enemy. | ||
| Right, he's not helping you. | ||
| He's my enemy. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He's my enemy. | ||
| So the DMT trip opened your eyes to that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's not something you want to do while you're in camp. | ||
| You know, I did it 16 times. | ||
| 17, 16 times, yeah. | ||
| Never regret doing it. | ||
| That would be good at doing it. | ||
| I think everybody should do it. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Not everybody, but everybody who wants to. | ||
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It's not for everybody. | |
| Yeah, it's not for everybody. | ||
| Not everybody who... | ||
| Everybody who needs it should do it. | ||
| I should say that. | ||
| Yeah, because some people believe this is all. | ||
| This is the real world out here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They really believe this is the reality. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Like, once you do it, you realize that that world is somewhere vivid than this world. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| We're going to be in that world longer than we're going to be in this world. | ||
| LAUGHTER Let me hurry up and die and get this shit over with. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but it's probably true. | ||
| Listen, this is what happens. | ||
| You do this toe stuff or any of those interesting narcotics, you have a different opinion about dying and the fear of dying. | ||
| You start to think, hey, maybe I'm living too long. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Well, maybe that's just another existence. | ||
| That's what made me think. | ||
| Maybe this is always there. | ||
| And maybe this life that we have, this temporary life that we're clinging on to that's so important to us. | ||
| Why is it even the guy that's age? | ||
| Why nobody wants to really stick on to the fact that after we die, it's over? | ||
| Why nobody wants to hold on to that? | ||
| Than saying, well, there's something more. | ||
| Than really being confident with saying, hey, there's something else after this. | ||
| Is that from scaring us from dying early or what? | ||
| Why do people stick with that? | ||
| Is that the softener I ride to their internal life of darkness or what? | ||
| It might be. | ||
| I mean, we don't know until we die, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the people that think that it's just over, when you die, it's over. | ||
| The world goes darkness and then that's it. | ||
| That might be right. | ||
| Or it might be that you go to that place where you go when you smoke DMT. It might be that. | ||
| You don't remember when you were born, do you? | ||
| You're not going to remember when you died. | ||
| I think if we're born again, we're not going to remember the life we had. | ||
| We're not going to remember this shit. | ||
| I've always said everybody's scared to die, but no one's scared to sleep. | ||
| You know, some people are. | ||
| Some people are afraid to sleep. | ||
| They get their moments, but sometimes you say, wait, I might not wake up this morning. | ||
| You hear and you know people that just go to sleep having a nice time with you, didn't do any drugs, and they just don't wake up. | ||
| That's true, too. | ||
| But the thing about sleep is you're pretty confident you're going to come back, so you're willing to shut off. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| But no one wants to shut off forever. | ||
| But listen, the belief that you're going to come back is magnificent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The belief to know that we're gonna wake up in the morning. | ||
| Imagine we went into life like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With that belief. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you think life is just temporary, and that when it's over, you're going to go to an even more magnificent place. | ||
| Well, we say life, what life? | ||
| Life is not over when we leave this place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's another form of life we haven't experienced yet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even if it's the black life where it's just all darkness, it's a part of life that we have to embrace in some kind of form or fashion. | ||
| Well, that's the weird thing about the toad, right, is that there's no visions. | ||
| But the feeling's so intense, you see, right? | ||
| The feeling's so intense, even makeup or whatever, you see it from... | ||
| That's why feeling is so important. | ||
| We just don't even understand the feelings, the eye. | ||
| We just don't understand they even lie to us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Our eyes lie to us. | ||
| I remember the first thing I felt is so insignificant. | ||
| Like, you're just a part of everything. | ||
| You're part of the whole universe. | ||
| And instead of looking at yourself as a center of the universe, when I did it, it just made me realize, like, no, you're part of this infinite thing. | ||
| And you're such a small part. | ||
| Everyone is such a small part. | ||
| The universe itself is what's big, and you're just a piece of it. | ||
| We're all just feeding each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're all just feeding each other. | ||
| Our bloods are just running through each other, feeding through the holes, the dirt, the mud, everything, the water, the ocean, the air. | ||
| We're just all feeding each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The bugs. | ||
| There's more, listen, there's more stars in the space than there are grains of sand in the desert. | ||
| Can you imagine that? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| What do you think about aliens, Mike? | ||
| I think we're aliens. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think we're descendants of aliens. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, that's the only thing I can come up with. | ||
| If you can't explain, if you can only tell me about Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with the aliens. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| If that's what you hit me with, Adam and Eve, I'm going to go with these alien guys. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of people that believe that we're the product of aliens, that aliens came down and did some experiments with lower hominids and did some accelerated genetic experiments and created people. | ||
| Well, listen, aliens... | ||
| Listen, when certain tribes of people... | ||
| I'm not saying Caucasians when they came to Africa. | ||
| Even before that, when people came to other people, the first time they'd seen them, they were aliens. | ||
| The first time... | ||
| An Asian man saw a Caucasian man that was an alien. | ||
| A black man saw an Asian man and a white man that was an alien. | ||
| Maybe they weren't aliens, but that's what they thought they were. | ||
| They were just a tribe of people that encountered them, and perhaps they were getting extinct, they were dying, and they had to breathe through the lower, whatever you were saying. | ||
| Lower hominage. | ||
| Lower hominage. | ||
| And maybe this is us. | ||
| Because they had certain, as you may know, because I know you do these kind of researches, They already discovered there were different forms of species that's working down to us, that came from us, and now we're at the degree of, I guess, we're the human species of our era. | ||
| Yeah, there was a bunch of different kinds of humans. | ||
| Yeah, there was many, many different kinds of humans. | ||
| And before, they were here millions of years before, millions of years before, After we were erectus, after we walked, they always been here. | ||
| It's very rare that you can find a human life that wasn't erectus. | ||
| They can find a skeleton of one that walked in all fours. | ||
| The oldest person they found is 4.4 million years old. | ||
| Lucy, I believe it is. | ||
| 4.4 million years old is nothing. | ||
| There's nothing in terms of the universe, right? | ||
| People were erected then. | ||
| People were walking on both feet then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, for years, four million years ago. | ||
| So they never found... | ||
| I don't believe they ever found the... | ||
| Skeleton of a human that wasn't erectus. | ||
| That's one of the things about life is that life is so short. | ||
| Oh, a twinkle of an eye. | ||
| If everything goes well, you live a hundred years, but that is nothing in terms of the life of the planet. | ||
| You know how long it took them to build the Great Wall of China? | ||
| Thousands of years. | ||
| Two thousand years. | ||
| Two thousand years. | ||
| Can you imagine that? | ||
| And that's nothing. | ||
| 2,000 years is less than what Christ has been around. | ||
| Christ is young. | ||
| You know how young Christ is? | ||
| You know how young he is? | ||
| In terms of the world, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how bad they wanted to keep the Mongols out. | ||
| They built a fucking wall. | ||
| It took them thousands of years. | ||
| You ever read about Genghis Khan? | ||
| Listen, um... | ||
| His real name is Timogen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he, um... | ||
| Let me tell you, what happened? | ||
| He's like 13, when he died, around 13, what, 14? | ||
| His real reign was like in the 12s and the early 1300s. | ||
| And first of all, he came from, he's real poor. | ||
| His mother, his father, they all came, they got beat up, they took out. | ||
| He had a woman, then they took his wife, but he got friendly with a real bad mother, a real, he was a criminal, but he was the baddest, oh, he was so bad. | ||
| And he loved Timogen. | ||
| He just became, you know how some guy, you see a guy and they just hit off. | ||
| One guy was, he was really weak at the time. | ||
| And this other gang had took his wife. | ||
| And this guy was making a lot of my raid and stuff, and he was just sad. | ||
| I said, what is wrong? | ||
| Because the guy really loved him. | ||
| He said, what is wrong? | ||
| He said, these people took my wife, and he said, don't worry, I got many a wife. | ||
| What are you worrying about that one wife? | ||
| But I really loved her, because he really loved her. | ||
| And so the guy said, listen, I'm going to help you get your wife back, but you don't ever tell nobody that we raided this city because of a woman, okay? | ||
| And so he went back, and the guy got his wife back. | ||
| And so the guy allowed... | ||
| Timogen to be number two because he loved him so much. | ||
| But he got jealous because the men started favoring Genghis because Genghis would let them raid everything and said, keep it all. | ||
| He wouldn't take nothing. | ||
| Keep it all. | ||
| Let the men have it all. | ||
| And they all started looking up to him and following him. | ||
| And then the other guy got jealous. | ||
| And eventually Genghis had to kill him. | ||
| But he said he wanted Genghis didn't want to do it, but he said, you have to kill me. | ||
| And so Genghis killed him, but he said, you're not going to spill any blood, so he crushed him in the rocks. | ||
| No blood, no cuts or nothing like that. | ||
| But that was his best friend, and after he died, that's how Genghis had the reputation. | ||
| So you followed him? | ||
| You paid attention to him? | ||
| You read a bunch of shit about him? | ||
| Yeah, and I named my dog after his favorite wife, Paley. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| So I know you've been into that kind of shit, like Alexander the Great and all the different conquerors. | ||
| Pippin, Chalamet, Clovis. | ||
| Now is this stuff that you just studied because you wanted to study conquerors? | ||
| Did it just interest you? | ||
| I wanted to study that mindset. | ||
| You know, and I found that the greatest conquerors that ever lived... | ||
| We're farmers. | ||
| You know, farmers, sheep herders. | ||
| Somebody that we don't think that's important and stuff. | ||
| And then, as they became great through that, they may have gave birth to great children who were born with greatness, like Alexander the Great and stuff. | ||
| Like Philip the Macedonian, that whole bloodline of Alexander, they were all kings, but they were all very small and insignificant. | ||
| It was one Alexander before him that was... | ||
| Pretty great and fought against the Persians, but eventually they lost and they pretty much kissed the Persians' ass. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The Persians put them in the position of power until Philip of Macedonia came, who had the nickname AKA Philip the Barbarian. | ||
| And he wanted to go across and enslave all the Persians and everybody after that, the world. | ||
| And Alexander the Great, mother, who was a really interesting woman, I'm trying to say Albanian, maybe? | ||
| And they had a different kind of study and worship and stuff back then, so he got caught up in that. | ||
| His family didn't like her for that, but she arranged for... | ||
| She arranged for Alexander's father, I think, to be killed, for Alexander could have the power, and her kids had the power she could lead to her kids while he was on campaigns, right? | ||
| And... | ||
| When he was on these campaigns, now that his father was gone, he just conquered everything. | ||
| But when he ran into the Afghani people, he fell in love with them. | ||
| He wanted to interbreed with them. | ||
| He wanted to create a new race of Afghani. | ||
| He just madly fell in love with them. | ||
| And that's pretty much why his family is. | ||
| Not family, but the Greeks. | ||
| They went mountainy on him because they were jealous that they were giving big positions to the Persians. | ||
| No, Afghanistan. | ||
| He loved them. | ||
| He even quote, Afghanistan is the most beautiful people in the world. | ||
| God must have loved them more than anybody. | ||
| He made them beautiful. | ||
| He really fell in love with them. | ||
| When did you start getting really into like conquerors? | ||
| When did you start really? | ||
| When you were 15. When you were 15? | ||
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| What introduced you to it? | ||
| I was at the table eating with Cuss and a friend of mine named Craig Walsh said a statement, which he was wrong, but it sounds really good to make me investigate. | ||
| He said Alexander the Great at his time was like 6'5", so at 6'5", 300 years before Christ, that was a giant, which was wrong. | ||
| He was very small. | ||
| The armor was too big for him. | ||
| He was a really small guy. | ||
| He wasn't big at all. | ||
| And so, just that alone, him saying that got you interested? | ||
| Yeah, I wanted him. | ||
| I'll tell you, he was a monster. | ||
| He was a massive guy, but I found that he's just a small man, average guy. | ||
| You know, he's not a monster at all. | ||
| Not a big man at all. | ||
| But you got interested in the mindset of the Conquerors? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, listen, this is what I want to know. | ||
| Why would one person think that he could fucking own the whole world? | ||
| One person. | ||
| Why would he have that mind? | ||
| Who would think like that? | ||
| That's not a fucking person. | ||
| That's just something when your ego just got so out of whack, where you just can't think rational. | ||
| How do you think like that? | ||
| And you're a nice person. | ||
| It was a guy before him, a couple of hundred years before him, named Cyrus the Great. | ||
| He was a conqueror, but he was a conqueror for liberty. | ||
| He wanted to conquer all the slaves and let them go. | ||
| Conquer all the slave masters, let them go. | ||
| He got killed for that too, but that sounds cool too, right? | ||
| That's a good thing. | ||
| But listen, think about it. | ||
| Who the fuck is here to take somebody else's property, take somebody else's stuff because he believes it's wrong, which it probably is wrong. | ||
| I think it's wrong, but who the fuck is he? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who is this guy to conquer you? | ||
| You don't bother nobody, but this is what they did back then. | ||
| Now you're killing everybody. | ||
| Back then, it was really legal. | ||
| It's almost in the Bible. | ||
| It's in the books. | ||
| It's in books. | ||
| Slavery. | ||
| It's in the books. | ||
| It's in the religious books that we need slaves. | ||
| And this guy's going to say, hey, no more slaves. | ||
| He's 500 B.C., so he's going to say, no more slaves. | ||
| No more. | ||
| Slavery is wrong through the whole world. | ||
| So he wants to conquer the world and free all the slaves. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that's just a different mindset. | ||
| Yeah, they're different kinds of mindsets that these conquerors have. | ||
| It's not universal. | ||
| But who do you think he is? | ||
| Who the hell is he? | ||
| He has his little town over here. | ||
| How are you going to go over the whole world? | ||
| His town is right here. | ||
| Well, forget his town. | ||
| His country is right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And he didn't even conquer this country, and now he's going to conquer the world and liberate freedom, make freedom. | ||
| What kind of guy? | ||
| Now, listen, if that's not somebody on drugs, you tell me. | ||
| No, you tell me. | ||
| Now, be honest. | ||
| If that's not somebody high, you tell me. | ||
| It could be coke. | ||
| No, it's something. | ||
| It's something. | ||
| I'm going to free everybody. | ||
| At 500 B.C., slavery is what it is. | ||
| This is the way of the world. | ||
| No, I'm going to free all the slaves. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| Everybody! | ||
| What did you get out of reading about their mindset? | ||
| like studying Temujin, studying Alexander the Great? | ||
| What did you get out of reading about their mindsets? | ||
| I found out that the greatest ones, the best, the most politic ones, were all mama's boys. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, afraid of their mother. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Napoleon, Alexander. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Genghis Khan too? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think that is? | ||
| What do you think that's all about? | ||
| I highly respect their mother. | ||
| I think their mothers were the first, especially Alexander the Great. | ||
| I think she was the first stage mother. | ||
| I think there were some before her, too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Cleopatra, that's just what they were. | ||
| They wanted to lead through their sons or their daughters or something like that. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Like that parent that takes their kids to athletic events and screams and cheers and pumps them up. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's the parent who... | ||
| Whose child's word is law, and I want to be able to have that word. | ||
| Do you get that? | ||
| My son is the king of this country, a couple of countries, but I want my thought to come out of his mouth. | ||
| Do you think the parents convinced the child that they were that special that they should run the world? | ||
| Some of them do, but as some kids get older, like Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible, they get older and then they realize these people weren't right to me and they start killing his sponsors or the people that were ribbing step-parents and stuff. | ||
| Some of the kings did it too. | ||
| So when you were studying this, when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors, you were trying to understand their mindsets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you were trying to apply that to your own life? | ||
| Pretty much, yeah. | ||
| Did you get anything out of it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did you get? | ||
| Like, how did it apply to your own life? | ||
| Well, at the end of the day, they all ask God for forgiveness. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| So when you're reading all these books about all these conquerors, when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion, and you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors, and you find out they all ask God for forgiveness, how did that affect you? | ||
| That was pretty cool. | ||
| Because by that, I learned greatness was the willingness to die. | ||
| By, you know, doing research on these particular individuals. | ||
| And that's what they were willing to do for greatness. | ||
| You know, you heard about Achilles and stuff. | ||
| What did he want? | ||
| A short life of greatness and a long life of obscurity. | ||
| So he took the short life. | ||
| And that's what Alexander did. | ||
| When you study these people and you take that conqueror's mindset, did you get anything out of that? | ||
| Did you apply that into your own pursuit as a champion? | ||
| Absolutely, because you have to... | ||
| listen Alexander the Great was 32 and he conquered the known world in 10 years and so thinking about that as a young man Absolutely. | ||
| I want my preeminence to vibe with the times that, you know, in the sands of time. | ||
| It's not rain with it. | ||
| I think everybody should want that, that are competitive in the art of, what do you say, immortality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I searched for it. | ||
| That's what he wanted. | ||
| He wanted immortality. | ||
| That's what he wanted. | ||
| He wanted to be known since, you know, till the end of time. | ||
| Did you ever think that maybe you were born in the wrong time? | ||
| That maybe if you were born in the times of Alexander the Great, you would also be a conqueror? | ||
| No. | ||
| I am a conqueror now because I've conquered myself and my demons. | ||
| You know, not because I'm at that time. | ||
| I'm never born until I'm born in the right time. | ||
| Most of them couldn't conquer their demons. | ||
| That's why they asked for forgiveness from God, all of them. | ||
| Because just like the gentleman that discovered Alcohol Anonymous, you know, he inspired. | ||
| Maybe he had a problem with alcohol at the end, but how many people have he inspired? | ||
| That is so much bigger than him succeeding or not with his problem. | ||
| You know what's interesting about him is he was interested in LSD. Bill Wilson, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was a big thing of his. | ||
| That's what instructed him to have the program, to develop the program. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're talking about they all would seek forgiveness from God, it's so interesting to me that you turned to cannabis and cannabis allowed you to forgive yourself. | ||
| Yeah, listen, the reason why they ask for forgiveness for God, this is why, this is interesting that you said that, it's because they believe they were God. | ||
| And they have had to, at the end of the day, realize and check themselves. | ||
| But they're not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're not God. | ||
| And they've done horrific things. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| At the end of his life, he was so forgiving and giving everything away and so sorry for everybody. | ||
| He didn't know how to forgive himself either. | ||
| He didn't know how... | ||
| How do you do that when you think you go? | ||
| How do you forgive yourself? | ||
| So at the end of the day, he said, look, the man who conquered the world... | ||
| Died with nothing in his hands. | ||
| He gave everything away, had no swords or nothing. | ||
| He was so freaked out about dying, being the rich guy and stuff, and having so much property and having the world like he possessed. | ||
| Because he had the world. | ||
| It's this gentleman that he... | ||
| Well, Eugenius? | ||
| The guy that they named Sloth after. | ||
| The animal sloth? | ||
| Eugenius. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But he was like, he's considered a homeless bum nowadays. | ||
| Today he would be called a bum, a homeless guy, whatever. | ||
| And Alexander had been watching him. | ||
| This is how keen he is. | ||
| He's watched this guy for years. | ||
| And he said, listen, before he became king of Greece, he's watched this guy. | ||
| This is when he was the king of Greece. | ||
| And he said, hey, listen, I watch you and I have everything. | ||
| And I'm unhappy and you don't have nothing, so what can I do to make you happy? | ||
| You know what he said? | ||
| You know what he had the balls to say? | ||
| He said, first of all, you can be kind enough to move out the way of the sun and then allow me to enjoy my day. | ||
| And he couldn't conceive of somebody to turn him down for riches and stuff. | ||
| He couldn't conceive of it. | ||
| It just blew his mind. | ||
| He was so blown away, he couldn't even kill the guy for disrespecting him. | ||
| He was just blown away. | ||
| He said, I have everything. | ||
| And he realized that he wasn't happy. | ||
| He had it all. | ||
| He's the king of Greece. | ||
| He didn't even know where he was getting ready to go. | ||
| He didn't ready to be king of the world, but he's the king of Greece and he's just not happy. | ||
| And he has everything. | ||
| So he thinks by conquering the world it's going to make him happy. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| And what happened? | ||
| He turned into a drug. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Imagine that? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's why he experienced a new drug. | ||
| Listen, when you went on a campaign, you know what I thought? | ||
| I thought when you went on a campaign, the movies lie. | ||
| They say you go on a campaign, it's just about 300 gladiators or what, 10,000 soldiers. | ||
| No, they bring their whole family with them. | ||
| It's like a party. | ||
| Their wives, their kids, everything. | ||
| They got the... | ||
| Surveyors are with them. | ||
| Housebuilders are with them. | ||
| The people who deal with agriculture for that time. | ||
| Everything is with them. | ||
| Wine, even before they can test everything when they conquer. | ||
| Conquering. | ||
| You know what conquering is? | ||
| We think that's glorious. | ||
| Conquering is glorious. | ||
| Know why it is? | ||
| Conquering, robbing, raping, illegally taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them. | ||
| That's conquering. | ||
| That's not good people. | ||
| All the people we like, we say, these guys, this guy, he conquered this, he conquered that. | ||
| They hurt people. | ||
| They did it for greed. | ||
| They didn't do it for, we're going to help our people. | ||
| They did it to take things because they could. | ||
| Now, when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquerors, you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights. | ||
| You studied all the old school champions. | ||
| Are you doing that now in this resurgence? | ||
| Are you studying films? | ||
| No, but I think I know everything about them already. | ||
| I did the research when I was a kid, so I started going to the other level. | ||
| So I go from the level of these guys that are fighters, the gladiators, all those guys, so I go from them to the generals, and from the generals to the guards. | ||
| But that occupied a lot of your time when you were training, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But what are you doing now? | ||
| Is there anything that's similar? | ||
| When you were watching those old school tapes, if you were watching Jack Dempsey or Harry Greb or any of these old school fighters, there was something about that that was providing you the inspiration. | ||
| You were learning from it, but it was also you were getting yourself into this mindset. | ||
| Yeah, because I know if I was like these, the customers tell you, the more you win, the more you beat these guys, the more the people applaud, the more you enjoy doing it. | ||
| And I wanted the people to have the same feeling towards me that I had towards the older fighters of yesterday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was madly in love with fighters. | ||
| And if I met a fighter... | ||
| Hard, they were just, hey, who's this kid? | ||
| Get this kid out of there. | ||
| We just bug him to death. | ||
| Want me to carry a bag? | ||
| Can I help you with this? | ||
| Can I do this? | ||
| You know, you'd think they were going to like you for being a woman. | ||
| Hey, get this fucking kid away. | ||
| Get help. | ||
| Yeah, I'm too extreme. | ||
| Carry a bag. | ||
| Can I help you with this? | ||
| Can I do this? | ||
| But you don't study films like that anymore? | ||
| Periodically. | ||
| But you know what I do? | ||
| Sometimes, because they have YouTube, I look at YouTube and they have a fight, Lomachenko. | ||
| I say, let me check him out. | ||
| Let me check him out. | ||
| Also, I may see some Ray Robbins and some Willie Pep stuff. | ||
| They have one there. | ||
| Let me check this out. | ||
| Lomachenko's a wild guy to watch, isn't he? | ||
| He's really... | ||
| He's really nice to watch. | ||
| Interesting, right? | ||
| Yeah, I like watching him. | ||
| The footwork is so extraordinary. | ||
| I like doing that. | ||
| I like watching him. | ||
| A lot of people hate on him, but that's how it is. | ||
| He got the light. | ||
| When people got the light, they go after you. | ||
| Who else gets you excited that's fighting today? | ||
| They got a couple of guys. | ||
| Haney's good. | ||
| The guy from Baltimore's good. | ||
| There's quite a few. | ||
| And they have a couple of guys... | ||
| That's under them that's pretty good. | ||
| That's going to come up and be really good with them. | ||
| Errol Spencer's really good. | ||
| Terrence Crawford. | ||
| Terrence Crawford is good. | ||
| There's a bunch of good fighters out there. | ||
| That little guy, Ryan Garcia, he's a little hot shit, right? | ||
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Yeah, he's a hot shit. | |
| He's got a crazy left hook. | ||
| He's talking shit. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| He's like a kid. | ||
| That baby's like talking shit. | ||
| He's so cute. | ||
| He's a handsome guy. | ||
| He's a little baby talking shit. | ||
| He's got a nasty left hook, though. | ||
| And all the fighters now, they're really into each other's face talking shit. | ||
| They're really friends, you can see, but they're talking shit. | ||
| And I'm saying I'm an insecure guy. | ||
| I'm hitting a punch right in the face. | ||
| Everybody might think I'm a punk and let them do that to me. | ||
| And these guys are friends that look so cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think of the heavyweight division nowadays? | ||
| Alright, Joshua, everybody's good for their time. | ||
| I don't think they're bums or anything like that. | ||
| Everybody wants to have something negative to say about somebody. | ||
| This is their time. | ||
| They're the best of their time. | ||
| You've got to give them that credit. | ||
| You can't compete with guys of the past or guys that are coming up now. | ||
| This is just their time. | ||
| This is what it is right now. | ||
| Yeah, this is what it is right now. | ||
| We're going to judge it from right here. | ||
| What do you think about it? | ||
| It's an interesting group at the very top of the heap, right? | ||
| Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua. | ||
| It's an interesting group at the top level right now. | ||
| No, it's not interesting. | ||
| They're all exciting fighters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're all going to make a great deal of money if they just need to fight each other. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just stop bullshitting. | ||
| Just all fight each other. | ||
| Fight each other a couple of times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when this stuff is over, your guys can say, hey, listen, we did it our way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, this is what happened to me. | ||
| I'm such an egomaniac. | ||
| I fell in love. | ||
| This is going to last forever. | ||
| I'm the king forever. | ||
| I'm always going to be the king. | ||
| This is the way it is. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I never think about tomorrow or nothing. | ||
| This is now. | ||
| I'm the king. | ||
| Just kiss my fucking ring. | ||
| This and that. | ||
| And the fact that I never listen to this work, I didn't listen to Cuss. | ||
| Cuss said, hey. | ||
| It's always real. | ||
| Don't take this personal. | ||
| I took fighting personal. | ||
| Because they don't take it personal. | ||
| It's not personal. | ||
| I took it personal. | ||
| The ego make me take it personal. | ||
| So when he said, don't take it personal, what did he mean by that? | ||
| Don't allow it to stop you from living your life in a happy perspective. | ||
| I lost a fight. | ||
| Don't commit suicide. | ||
| Start drinking it, doing cocaine. | ||
| Start fucking girls without rubbers that you don't know. | ||
| You met them 10 minutes ago. | ||
| Don't do these things when you lose a fight, Mike, okay? | ||
| Don't do these things. | ||
| You lose a fight, you shake the guy's hand, you go to the gym, you work harder, prepare for the fight, you win the fight, you don't win the fight, you prepare harder, wait for the next fight, you win the fight, you don't get to fight, fight some other guys, you win the fight, then fight them again. | ||
| The name of the game is that you stay busy, you keep working. | ||
| How much different would things have been if Kost stayed alive? | ||
| Yes, really different. | ||
| But it wasn't meant for that to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had to figure this stuff out. | ||
| He couldn't protect me my whole life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, I've always wondered. | ||
| I've always wondered what would have been different if he had stayed alive. | ||
| Because, I mean, he had guided you in such an amazing way. | ||
| You know, and you... | ||
| Cuss was just, listen, Cuss was just a hard guy to get along with. | ||
| Cus was just enemy prone. | ||
| If he didn't have an enemy, he would create one. | ||
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Really? | |
| One of those guys. | ||
| He loved fighting. | ||
| He wants to fight. | ||
| If he doesn't fight, he doesn't want to live. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He wants to fight. | ||
| He needs to have somebody to fight. | ||
| If he doesn't have somebody to fight, he'll find somebody to fight. | ||
| He must have loved having you as a pupil. | ||
| But I listened to everything he said. | ||
| I listened to him. | ||
| I was around him. | ||
| He loved people to listen to him. | ||
| I took him and said everything he said I would do. | ||
| If he told me to kill somebody, I would kill somebody. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Anything he said, I did it. | ||
| Do you think about him even today while you're training? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think about them all the time. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think about them all the time. | ||
| I wish he could have saw my kids. | ||
| I wish he could have probably seen, you know, what I did, how I did, and how my kids turned out, and how they all went to great schools, and they did cool things, and they're just kids, and they're really... | ||
| They're just really sweet kids that really don't understand life yet, and maybe because they didn't have a father like I had, things are different than it was for me. | ||
| You don't want your kids fighting. | ||
| No. | ||
| I did that. | ||
| That's why I did it. | ||
| They didn't have to. | ||
| I remember you were talking about your son hitting pads and him possibly fighting. | ||
| You don't want to fight an animal like me. | ||
| People don't have nothing to lose. | ||
| Their whole dream was if I beat this guy. | ||
| I'll get that new bike. | ||
| I might get this car. | ||
| That's how it was. | ||
| Because I said, if you win this tournament, I'm going to get you this. | ||
| If you win this tournament, I'll get you your gold teeth. | ||
| I was trying to save my money up for my gold teeth. | ||
| And if I win this tournament, he said, you win this tournament, I'll get you gold teeth. | ||
| Everything, everything, he always, um... | ||
| Dangle the carrot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You win this tournament, I do this. | ||
| But if I didn't win the tournament, I didn't get the shit. | ||
| You know, I thought he was gonna flip the side, I give it to you anyway. | ||
| Nah, I don't get it. | ||
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Nah. | |
| I don't get it. | ||
| Well, listen, Mike, I'm very excited about your comeback. | ||
| I am as well. | ||
| I'm very happy that you're doing it. | ||
| I'm happy you look fantastic. | ||
| It was real cool to be able to sit down and talk to you about it, and I'm 100% enthusiastic about it. | ||
| Listen, so I look forward to seeing you there, because I'm sure some people will be there, and we're excited about it. | ||
| I would try to be there live. | ||
| I would love to be there live, if it's possible, if I could be there. | ||
| I'm just going to love this shit. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I'm excited looking at you being fit and how enthusiastic you are, and I wish you nothing but the best, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much, man. | ||
| Same with you, man. | ||
| You had so much success in doing your little podcast here, man. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Who would you want to interview? | ||
| I don't have anybody in my head that I need to interview. | ||
| You wouldn't want to do Bill Clinton and none of those guys? | ||
| I'd like to do Bill Clinton. | ||
| I'd like to get high with Bill Clinton. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| You know, he has a brother named Roger. | ||
| He's just such an awesome guy. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I saw Roger before at my friend's house, and Roger's just a beautiful person. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't need to. | ||
| You know, I would. | ||
| If he wanted to do it, I would do it, but I don't need to. | ||
| I like talking to everybody, man. | ||
| I like talking to my friends. | ||
| I like talking to you. | ||
| I like talking to anybody. | ||
| You know what I did a couple of times? | ||
| I talked to some homeless people, and they're very interesting. | ||
| Sometimes I think I'm going to overwhelm them intellectually, and I get humbled sometimes. | ||
| Well, a lot of homeless people are really smart. | ||
| They just fucked up. | ||
| Whatever part of her head that couldn't keep it together. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| I think I know this guy's out and dirty and teeth fell out and this guy started enlightening me and shit and then he has to tell me to leave because I'm stuck there. | ||
| Tell me, get out of here. | ||
| Are you enjoying doing hot boxing? | ||
| Hey, listen, I haven't done it in a while since this stuff. | ||
| Since you started training? | ||
| Yeah, and that's cool too. | ||
| That's cool too. | ||
| I don't think I'm a good host while I'm under this kind of duration. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, like I said, I could see the intensity. | ||
| You're ramped up right now. | ||
| You're a different person than the last time I talked to you. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| But exciting. | ||
| It's exciting. | ||
| It's all my wife for. | ||
| She shouldn't have told me to get on that treadmill. | ||
| Really, she doesn't believe it. | ||
| You predicted it, man. | ||
| You predicted it on this show. | ||
| You said, I don't want to reignite my ego. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you did it. | ||
| But I'm excited that you did it. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I can't wait for November 28th. | ||
| Man, listen. | ||
| God, man. | ||
| I've been working. | ||
| I'm going to show you when I leave here then. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Show me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Love, brother. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Thank you very much, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Bye, everybody. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah, let me show you something, man. |
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