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May 12, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1472 - Michael Yo
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joe rogan
Michael Yeo.
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
Back from the brink.
michael yo
It's crazy.
joe rogan
You are the first guy that I've...
Well, my friend Sturgill got it, and I talked to him, but he didn't get it real bad.
michael yo
Like how bad is not real bad?
unidentified
He didn't get it bad.
michael yo
Okay.
joe rogan
He was like a little fatigued.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So give me the full rundown.
For people who don't know what we're talking about, you got coronavirus.
You were one of the first to get it that I know.
You got it right after you were on this podcast.
You were on this podcast.
You flew to New York.
michael yo
Did Gotham for four shows.
joe rogan
Little rundown.
michael yo
Yeah, a little rundown.
As soon as I landed, I did Wendy Williams on Monday, and then I flew back and went to Vegas for a day as soon as I got back, and then I had three auditions.
So I was rundown, and that weekend...
joe rogan
Were you feeling sick already?
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
Just tired.
michael yo
Just tired.
Tired.
But, I mean, we're always tired, really.
joe rogan
The road.
The road gets you.
michael yo
Yeah, and I was moving all the time, and very stressful.
You know, you're trying to perform.
You're trying to learn lines for an audition.
So I was very stressed out.
I was traveling a lot, and that was like my third weekend in a row.
joe rogan
You didn't sleep?
Much sleep?
michael yo
Yeah, I get great sleep, but, you know, with two kids, like, they're both at the age where, you know, you have to have both eyes on them.
joe rogan
Do you ever wear a sleep monitoring device or anything that...
michael yo
I have, but I... Like a whoop strap?
No, I've never worn that.
But I get eight to nine hours of sleep every night.
I'm a great sleeper.
I sleep through anything.
So it wasn't a sleep thing.
I was just tired, overworked maybe.
But that Saturday, I didn't feel right.
joe rogan
My temperature went up to like 101. You flew to New York what day?
michael yo
It was, I performed, I was there Wednesday, which would have been, I'm guessing, a date's May 4th.
I mean, yeah, March 4th.
March 4th.
I performed the 6th and 7th, stayed the 8th, did Wendy Williams on the 9th, flew back that Monday, went to Vegas Tuesday morning, came back that same day, then...
joe rogan
What'd you do in Vegas, besides heroin?
michael yo
We were visiting her parents, my wife's parents, with the kids.
joe rogan
So no partying?
michael yo
No partying.
It was drive-in and drive-out.
But that's exhausting.
joe rogan
That's exhausting.
michael yo
That's 10 hours on the road.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
And then dealing with two kids in a car.
And then the three auditions, and then that Saturday, I didn't feel right.
And you've got to remember, when I performed in New York, there was only 11 deaths, and it was like 3,000 cases.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
michael yo
That's how much this thing has changed.
But Saturday, I didn't feel right.
101, it went.
I said, I should isolate myself.
Because in New York, that's all you heard about.
So I was like, let me just be safe and isolate myself.
joe rogan
So let's break this down.
So you leave Wednesday, you go to New York, you do a couple of different TV things, then you do the weekend at Gotham, and then you fly home, and then you go to Vegas on Tuesday, and then you drive home on Wednesday.
michael yo
Drive back Tuesday night.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
So in and out in one day?
michael yo
In and out in one day.
And then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, audition.
Then Saturday, I was like, Okay, this is my rest day.
And then I woke up and something just didn't feel right.
So I was going, okay, it's probably the road.
You know, I'm stressed road.
So it's about during the day, I hang out, I isolate myself, but I'm between 100 and 101. Second day, I'm like 101, 102. But I'm still like, look, I'm gonna beat this thing.
They say stay at home, because at that time, they said if you have symptoms, stay at home, because they're taking the more serious cases.
So, the Sunday, Sunday came around, I kind of went down a little.
I was taking aspirin, a lot of aspirin, because one doctor at the time said take it every four hours.
And I was also taking aspirin and something else to bring your temperature down.
I forgot what it was.
But, oh, yeah.
Aspirin and...
joe rogan
But you said when you started taking ibuprofen, that's when it fucked you up.
michael yo
That's when I felt it did.
So Sunday, I started getting this massive headache.
So that's when I really started popping the aspirin.
Three every three hours.
joe rogan
But aspirin or ibuprofen?
michael yo
It was ibuprofen.
joe rogan
That's a big difference between aspirin and ibuprofen.
Ibuprofen is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory.
michael yo
I was taking Advil.
joe rogan
Yes, that is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory.
This is what I keep hearing, and I don't know if this has been substantiated, that you shouldn't take ibuprofen while you have this, for whatever reason.
I don't know what that is.
michael yo
I don't know if that's been discredited, or is that real?
joe rogan
I don't know either.
michael yo
So I was taking a lot of Advil.
A lot of Advil and Tylenol to bring the fever down.
So I got it down on Sunday, but then I had a massive headache.
So then they said, well, your temperature's going down.
This was our doctor friend.
Your temperature's going down.
Just hit the Advil.
So I hit the Advil.
Monday at noon, I couldn't breathe.
Like gasping for air.
And my wife had to call 911 to the house to come get me.
So I'm gasping for air.
911 shows up.
They bring me outside.
They throw me on this huge, this oxygen machine right away.
joe rogan
What kind of an oxygen?
A ventilator?
michael yo
Not a ventilator.
No, just a normal oxygen machine.
They say, we got to get oxygen in you.
Okay.
And it's almost like a movie.
The neighbors are all out.
Ambulance is overlooking me.
You know, the ambulance is there.
All the neighbors are looking.
I can't breathe.
My son is in the window.
This is the worst.
My son is in the window.
He doesn't know what's going on, but he knows it's not good.
And he's only three and he's crying.
And I'm watching him cry.
And I can't do anything.
I can't breathe.
And literally when they pick me up to carry me to the ambulance because they need to get me to the hospital right away, it was the whole window thing.
He put his hand up.
Oh, Jesus.
It really hurt me really bad.
So I get into the ambulance and they take me as soon as I get to the hospital.
The doctor goes, you got corona.
So they take...
joe rogan
But did they do a test or did you just know?
unidentified
Yes.
michael yo
The first thing they do is they do a chest x-ray.
And they go, you got double pneumonia and corona.
joe rogan
What's double pneumonia?
michael yo
When it's in both lungs.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael yo
So double pneumonia and you have corona, we believe.
But we got to test you.
So they swabbed me and stuff.
But they took all the precautions like I had corona.
I was the first corona patient at this hospital.
This is how early it was.
You know, so they took me to ICU, and the doctor came in, and I go, hey, this is escalating real quick, and I still can't breathe.
I go, am I going to make it?
And he goes, we'll know in two days.
It's going to go really good or really bad, and we'll know in two days.
And every nurse or doctor that came in, when they can't tell you if you're going to make it or not, They try to comfort you, but they can't really say you're going to make it.
And I was in the worst pain I've ever felt in my life, too.
joe rogan
Where?
michael yo
Head.
I mean, just think about the worst migraine you've ever had times 100. My body was hot and cold.
It would get so hot.
My temperature got up to 103.8.
And they had to bring it down.
And then it would go up to 103.8 again.
I couldn't move.
My body was aching.
Literally, the second night I was there, and I know this is the wrong thing to think, but if they had an eject button on life, I may have hit it.
I was in that much pain.
I couldn't even think clearly.
I can't put into words how bad it was for me.
joe rogan
So your head, your body, everything?
michael yo
Everything.
Where you just want it to be over.
unidentified
Wow.
michael yo
It's either you're going to make it, you're like, and it was so bad where you want to think about your family, but I was in so much pain.
You know, I thought about them, but it was, I can't make it.
This is the end, and I can't see my family because they already told me that no one can come into the hospital.
And I'm texting my wife, lying to her, saying, hey babe, I'm going to make it through, I'm going to make it through, where I'm talking to my parents, going, this may not go well.
And my parents, the first thing I texted my parents is, I'm scared.
I've never texted them something like that.
And they knew how serious it was.
And I said, look, Claire, my wife Claire, is at home with the two kids.
I can't let her worry about this.
She was already stressed out enough.
She saw enough.
You know, so I'm in there and the doctor says that no one can come see you.
So I'm going, if these are the last two days of my life, I'm going to die alone in this hospital.
And it just broke me up so bad that, you know, I've taken care of myself.
I've done everything I can, you know, to take care of myself.
And why am I lying in this bed right now?
You know, and it was a thing where When I did think about my wife, it was, I will never see my wife and two kids again.
You know, that's all that went through my mind.
joe rogan
Did they put you on a ventilator?
michael yo
No.
My doctor saved my life.
My doctor said, if we put you on a ventilator, he said, because a nurse brought her up, should we put him on a ventilator?
And he goes, no way.
If we put him on a ventilator, he's going to die.
Because his body is going to say, okay, this machine is breathing for us, we don't need to work anymore.
And your body shuts down.
If you've heard in New York, 80% of people put on ventilators die.
joe rogan
And that's why you think?
michael yo
I think that's why I survived.
joe rogan
I've heard that.
I've heard that being speculated by other doctors as well.
And it's very controversial because so many doctors put people on ventilators.
And the last thing they want to hear is another doctor saying, you've put someone on a ventilator, they'll die.
michael yo
Well, my doctor said that straight up in the room in front of me to the nurses.
Like, if we put him on it, he's going to die.
Because his thing was, it just makes sense why he would.
Because now, this machine is going to breathe for him, so his body's not going to...
It's like working out.
You don't work out a muscle, it gets weak.
This machine is doing all your lifting.
So why would we want to put him on that?
Unless it's just we have to put them on it.
But you've heard doctors were putting on people so fast because their oxygen levels were so low.
They're like, this is not normal.
So we need to do something to get their oxygen level up.
joe rogan
I think doctors are like everything else, right?
There's really good ones, then there's ones that aren't as good.
michael yo
No, it's true.
joe rogan
With everything else, with everything.
Carpenters, plumbers, everything.
Everything.
michael yo
And it's really, I look back, I'm still, now I've become very close to them.
And the dude saved my life.
Because if I went on a ventilator, bro, I may not be here.
joe rogan
Because if you go on a ventilator, they kind of knock you out.
michael yo
Yeah, you're unconscious.
Literally, that machine is doing all your breathing.
joe rogan
So what did they give you?
What kind of medication did they give you while you were out?
michael yo
I'm healthy.
Don't drink.
Don't do drugs.
I was the perfect test subject.
joe rogan
Maybe that's a problem.
Your body's not used to fighting all bullshit.
unidentified
Maybe if you're a guy who partied all the time, your body's like, well, we know how to recover.
joe rogan
This motherfucker went on a bender.
michael yo
Listen to this.
I gave it to my mom.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
michael yo
Okay, so she gets home.
She didn't tell me why I was in the hospital.
She beat it in one day, and she talks shit to me now.
Oh, see?
I beat it in one day.
I have one fever.
You take eight days in ICU! And then she tells me, oh, it's because you're too healthy.
You need carbs.
joe rogan
You need carbs?
That's hilarious.
michael yo
Now she's a doctor.
Now she's a doctor.
But I gave it to my mom.
She beat it in one day.
joe rogan
Well, she probably wasn't run down.
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
Dude, rundown is the thing, man.
Look, I'm a guy.
I take a lot of vitamins.
I work out a lot.
I get in the sauna every day, but I just flew back from Florida.
michael yo
I saw you.
joe rogan
I flew to Florida and came back.
Yesterday, I felt like dog shit.
And just from the flight, man.
And it's one day.
So I scheduled an IV vitamin drip.
I had the vitamin drip people come to my house, hit me with glutathione, zinc, vitamin C, everything, and I felt better almost immediately.
michael yo
Yeah, you got to take care of yourself.
joe rogan
You got to.
michael yo
I don't want to get off me, but how was that spacing at this venue for you during the fight?
Because it sounded like y'all were next to each other, and then I heard in a story y'all were separated.
joe rogan
We were about as far as...
Jamie is about as far as John Anik was, and then DC was a little further than that because there was a separation.
There was the octagon post, and so for him to get a better angle, he couldn't be sitting right in front of the post.
So they moved his table.
He was probably 15, 20 feet from me, somewhere around that range.
michael yo
I feel like fighters are tough, and I feel like the audience is tough, too, and the people associated with it is tough.
Did they move around freely, or was it really like, oh, I need to stay away from you?
joe rogan
Here's the deal.
Everyone was tested.
Everyone.
In fact, one guy tested positive.
He was asymptomatic, Jacare Souza, who was on the card.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
And he had an inkling that he might test positive because he had a family member that had it.
And he was super healthy, ready to fight, but had it in his system.
And so they removed him from the card, and he had been wearing a mask and gloves the entire time he was there.
And everyone else had wristbands on.
The wristbands showed that you'd been tested.
They had temperature monitors.
They had all these different things.
But everybody had been tested thoroughly.
Tested for antibodies.
I got the swab up the nose.
I got everything done.
And then when I got home, I immediately got swabbed again.
I got a swab yesterday.
And then I got the vitamin drip and everything like that.
But I didn't get much sleep.
Saturday night because I was flying back 8 o'clock in the morning.
Fights were done.
I was back in my hotel around 2.30.
So I crashed, woke up early, got to the airport, took off, landed, and then just kind of took it easy yesterday.
But until I got the vitamin drip, I was dragging.
I was feeling...
And that's what happens when you fly.
And you had flown a couple of times in a short period of time.
And then that drive to Vegas.
All that stuff...
You have to think of your immune system like troops.
You really do.
If there's a battle to be fought, look, if your body was like your mom's, where you had a good night's sleep every night, no traveling, you can fight off a lot more shit.
But when you do those trips, especially, this is one thing that I'm getting out of this quarantine, is man, I feel so much better when I don't travel.
michael yo
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
So much better.
michael yo
When I wasn't dying, I feel great now.
I feel great now.
I feel great now.
Yeah, rest is a big thing.
joe rogan
It's everything.
michael yo
It's everything.
joe rogan
And, you know, I'm going to change my travel schedule in the future.
Because even this trip, this trip I wanted to just get in and get the fuck out of Florida and get back home and, you know.
But then after I did it, I was like, it would have been wiser if I left at like 6 p.m.
or something like that.
michael yo
Just kind of chill out.
joe rogan
Give myself plenty of time to sleep, sleep so I'm fully recovered, and then have some breakfast, then go to the airport, take a 3 p.m.
flight or some shit.
michael yo
How was it with nobody in there?
Did you enjoy the experience?
joe rogan
Well, I wanted to do it because I've never done that before.
And I watched the one card from Brazil.
They had Kevin Lee versus Charles Oliveira fought in Brazil.
And I watched it on TV, and I was like, God, that's so strange.
Because, like, Gilbert Burns, he knocked out Damien Maia, and then he yells out, Poha!
You know, like, something Brazilians say.
And he yells out, Poha!
And you hear it, like, echo in this empty arena.
And while I was watching, I'm like, that's so strange.
He's screaming and there's no one there.
There's no audience reaction.
I'm like, wow.
So I decided, like, I gotta do one.
So when Dana White asked me if I wanted to do it, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want to do one.
I definitely want to do one.
michael yo
Do you feel like the fighters were listening to y'all?
joe rogan
They 100% were.
They made adjustments because of things that DC said.
So Cormier, you know, we're all right next to each other.
michael yo
So y'all were that close?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
We're at the octagon.
We're still at the octagon.
We're right in front of the octagon.
I could reach up and touch the octagon.
It's actually a little bit further than we usually are, but still, empty arena.
Like where that wall is.
That's where the octagon is.
Pretty close.
And, you know, DC's giving them points.
He's like, pointers.
He's saying, you know, he's got to check those leg kicks.
Making adjustments.
Like he was talking about Carla Esparza.
And Carla Esparza backstage gave DC credit for, like, what the advice that he was saying in the commentary was the adjustments that she'd made.
michael yo
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was weird, you know?
michael yo
I loved watching, like, I watched the prelims, but I loved it because you could hear everything.
Because normally it's so loud, but when somebody hits somebody, it's in the face, you could hear it, but especially the body.
It was like a thump, and then you hear the other person...
It changed the game for me on UFC where I think a lot of people appreciated more not having a crowd yell, where you really get to feel the pain.
Because when it's loud, you see somebody fall, but you don't really, okay.
joe rogan
But when you hear it, There's different things going on, right?
There's the energy of the crowd.
That's a factor.
That's a real thing.
There's something magical about a wild finish in front of a packed house at the T-Mobile Arena.
Everybody's screaming and cheering like, wow.
Or when Conor McGregor walks to the octagon and everybody's going crazy.
There's something to that.
It's valuable.
But there's also something to just the spectacle of Tony Ferguson and Justin Gaethje just going at it.
I mean like wild five-round slugfest with no audience.
michael yo
Do you think that fight would have been different if a crowd was there?
unidentified
No.
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
Maybe, but I don't think so.
It's possible.
I think Justin had a game plan and he executed it brilliantly and I think Ferguson, he's always going to be Tony Ferguson.
He's one of the toughest men that's ever walked the face of the earth.
But I think he was preparing for a grappler.
He's preparing for Khabib Nurmagomedov, and that fight didn't take place.
It was supposed to take place in April.
So he had been training for Khabib.
By the way, this is the fifth time that fight was cancelled.
The fifth time the fight with Tony and Khabib was cancelled.
Tony's been training for Khabib for fucking years, right?
So he's ready for this elite grappler who takes everybody down and smashes him.
He's thinking of cutting him from the bottom.
He's thinking of submitting him and scrambling and getting leg locks and all these different things that he's thinking of.
And then he's fighting an all-American wrestler who does not want to go to the ground and who has nasty striking.
So it's a totally different game plan and he has to make an adjustment over a period of just a few weeks.
Justin always fights the same way.
Justin's adjustments weren't nearly as big as Tony's.
Tony had to make some big adjustments, but Justin just fought a masterpiece.
The way he fought was just magnificent, and he listened to his coaches so well.
There's a point during the fight where Trevor Whitman is telling him, you're hitting him too hard.
You're swinging for the bleachers.
He's just take about 10% off your punches hit him with good clean shots and he immediately made that adjustment and then his cardio leveled out because he was getting tired towards the end of the second and Because he was just throwing just bombs every every shot of trying to take Tony Ferguson's head off But you can't knock Tony out with one shot.
He's inhumanly tough inhumanly tough so Justin backs it off a little bit and just is throwing clean shots and then winds up just dominating him and then they stop it in the fifth round.
michael yo
What's the one thing you learned?
Was there something you took away from this experience that you didn't take away from any other fight?
joe rogan
It was interesting.
I felt very, very fortunate to be there.
Out of all the people that could be here to watch one of the greatest fights of all time, I felt super fortunate that I was one of those people that got to be there.
I felt real fortunate for that.
Everything about it, I was taken in the moment and really cherishing it.
This is amazing.
Not a lot of people get to do this.
Not a lot of people get to experience this.
Not a lot of people get to do commentary for the UFC, period.
But to do commentary for championship fights in this arena where there's no one there.
So we're in a 15,000 seat arena and there's maybe 10 people in the audience.
michael yo
So why did they need an arena that big?
joe rogan
We were talking about that.
We're like, why can't we do this?
We could have done this in the hotel.
We could have got a conference room and set up an octagon in there.
Like, literally.
michael yo
Yeah, I was wondering why they did that.
But is it a spectacle of having a big arena just to say you did it?
joe rogan
I think there's something to that to let everybody know, hey, these are strange, strange times.
You know, we're in the middle of this health crisis.
And so this is the response to this health crisis.
We're going to do this shit in this arena.
michael yo
Would you do it again?
Because you said you wanted to do one, but it seemed like you didn't mind it.
joe rogan
I love calling fights.
I think as long as I take the right precautions, I'm tested a lot, and I'm keeping my immune system in check and making sure that I don't do anything that wears me out.
And I did kind of fuck that up by flying home with just a few hours sleep on Saturday.
But I took care of myself on Sunday and just hung around with the family.
And we, you know, didn't do much.
Just went on a hike and hung out and enjoyed the summer and enjoyed the weather.
It's beautiful weather out here right now.
It's not quite summer yet, but spring.
But I think as long as you do that, I think you can be okay.
I think when you put yourself in a position like yourself, when you warn yourself out, or if you have a compromised immune system, this is my thought, and this is from talking to numerous doctors, including my own personal doctor, who's very critical.
My personal doctor is very critical about the way we're handling this crisis.
michael yo
What's he say?
joe rogan
What he's saying is the most important thing is education on how to keep your immune system healthy.
He's like, this is something that you're not hearing.
Everything is social distancing.
Everything is cover your mouth.
Everything is use hand sanitizer.
He goes, that's wonderful.
He goes, that's all good stuff.
But we need education on how to keep your immune system strong.
We need education.
I have Dr. Rhonda Patrick coming in later this week to try to school people on what the actual clinical tests, the actual real knowledge, what we really understand about the immune system and supplementation and heat shock proteins, cold shock proteins, all the different various methods that we know are actually legitimately provably effective.
michael yo
I think it's interesting how all these different facts are coming out.
Because when I was at the beginning of it, I've heard from so many, after I went through this, and big shout out to your fan base, because they reached out to me and showed me so much love when I was in the hospital and I just got out.
And that means so much to me.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
michael yo
When they reached out, it was really all love.
But so many doctors reached out to me too and said there's so much misinformation out there.
And I texted you about one that people should know about.
When people get out of the hospital, With Corona?
Like, there's no magical time.
They're saying 14 days.
Literally, when I got out to the hospital, I was in the hospital for eight days.
The last three days, I didn't have a fever, so they let me go.
They said six days after that, I would be fine.
But another doctor told me, look, after you're cleared, after 14 days, people still have corona.
They're taking the chance that it's not contagious.
And that's why hospitals don't test people.
And he said that this is why hospitals don't test people before they let them go, is because they know they still got corona, but hopefully it's not contagious.
So that's why they never test.
Because if they did, that means people got to stay there two to three weeks longer.
And that's the real reason.
He says we would never...
Can you imagine when New York was going through that really bad?
I mean, they're still going through it, but when it was at its peak, if they tested everybody that left, most of those people would still have corona, so that would back up the system even more.
And then insurance has to pay for an extra three weeks.
So I learned that.
I learned that my other doctor said this whole pre-existing conditions is bullshit.
He goes, you came in.
He says, this is how much bullshit it is.
You came in.
If I would have died in a hospital, they would have said my pre-existing condition was migraines.
They would have gone down.
joe rogan
Right, but there are some pre-existing conditions that weaken your immune system, like obesity, diabetes.
There's a bunch of them that they're saying in New York are the primary factors of the people that wind up having a really hard time with this.
michael yo
Well, he's saying, though, they're using that pre-existing conditions, and I say it in quotes, to let healthy or other people almost like, oh, well, if you don't have this...
Pre-existing conditions, you're going to be fine, but it's not true.
He's like, they're using it to calm people down.
He goes, it's not true at all.
He says, I see people that are fine, just like you, Mike.
I see people that do have pre-existing conditions.
I see the whole gamut.
It's not just people with pre-existing conditions, but they're finding those people and highlighting those, and they're even adding deaths to that pre-existing conditions total.
Because they need some...
joe rogan
What do you mean deaths to the pre-existing?
michael yo
For instance, like mine.
If my pre-existing condition, he said, if I were to die in that hospital, he says, oh, well, he had migraines in his past.
So they would have put that down as a pre-existing condition.
joe rogan
Well, how often do you get migraines?
michael yo
I mean, ever since I was a kid, but...
joe rogan
Really?
michael yo
Well, I played college football for University of Arkansas.
I got so many concussions, I couldn't play anymore.
And this was before the whole concussion thing.
So my mom made me quit.
She was like, you're not playing anymore.
So it was a thing where...
But it wasn't a condition.
I have one every five, six months, maybe.
But he says...
Would you come in with, since I had migraines, and they didn't know my history of migraines, but he goes, we would have had to say that was a pre-existing condition.
joe rogan
I haven't heard that, pre-existing condition being migraines, but I have heard diabetes is a giant factor, obesity is a giant factor, emphysema, people who smoke cigarettes.
But then there was an article recently, something I got super suspicious, and I didn't even read the article.
It was an article that said that nicotine may help people with coronavirus, and I was like, that's the fucking cigarette industry.
Did you ever see the documentary, Merchants of Doubt?
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
It's a great documentary.
michael yo
What's it about?
joe rogan
It's about people that are hired to go on shows and put doubt into people's minds about certain things that would benefit an industry.
So these guys, they originally started out, the documentary shows the same people would go on these talk shows and talk about cigarettes.
Cigarettes are not addictive.
This is not the Marble Man guy.
These are people that are posing like experts.
And they're on these stupid fucking talk shows on CNN and stuff where you have three windows.
And then there's Anderson Cooper and there's a person to his left and a person to his right.
And the guy on the right is like, Cigarettes are not addictive!
It's been proven!
And he's just rattling it off.
And then you see that same guy later in the documentary, many years later, talking about climate change.
david grusch
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
Talking about climate change is a myth.
It's just a natural cycle of the earth.
Human beings have nothing to do with it.
And it's literally the same human being doing the same thing.
michael yo
But we see that in politics.
It's all spin.
joe rogan
Right, but this is what I'm saying when I read something about nicotine being good for people that have the coronavirus.
I'm like, come on, cigarette industry.
Are you motherfuckers involved in this?
Who's running tests on...
Let's try morphine.
Let's see how heroin works on these people.
What about coke?
Give them cocaine.
michael yo
You know what's crazy about morphine is my migraine was so bad in the hospital, they came in and go, we're going to give you morphine and we'll knock it right out.
joe rogan
While you had corona?
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
michael yo
Like I said, they gave me everything, dude.
joe rogan
They gave you morphine while you had corona?
michael yo
So they gave it to me because my head was so bad.
joe rogan
It really felt like I was going to- It accentuated your migraines.
So the coronavirus accentuated those migraines.
michael yo
It was so bad, Joe.
I can't even put it into words.
joe rogan
So when you're talking about the pain that you had, you had body pain and then your migraines on top of that.
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
So you're just in agony.
michael yo
And hot, cold, everything.
So they gave me morphine.
They go, this knocks out any headache.
It worked for five seconds.
joe rogan
Five seconds.
michael yo
Five seconds.
And they looked at me and they go, how you feel now?
I was like, terrible.
It feels the same.
Then about two hours later, they came back and gave me more because I think they only can do it every two hours.
joe rogan
And then you see elves.
unidentified
No, but I got really hot.
michael yo
I was like, I can't do this anymore.
So they had to stop giving it to me.
This is how I was a test subject, and I don't mind because I'm living.
But hydroxychloroquine, that was big at the time.
I'm watching this on the news.
Literally, the president says try hydroxychloroquine.
All the doctors are yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.
They come in with it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
michael yo
You're in bed.
I'm in bed.
This is my first day.
They come in with it.
I'm watching news and they're talking about it.
They come in and it's like, what are you giving me?
Oh, hydroxychloroquine.
So they give it to me.
Then two hours later they come in and I go, what are you giving me?
Oh, the HIV drug.
So now they put two drugs in me and then they're pumping all kinds of shit in me.
I don't even know what they're giving me.
joe rogan
So they're trying things.
michael yo
They're trying things on me because they don't know.
They don't know!
joe rogan
That's what's so crazy, right?
This is not like pneumonia where people have had it for a hundred years or a thousand years.
michael yo
They don't know.
joe rogan
This is a new thing.
michael yo
So a day and a half goes by.
I'm in probably worse pain.
They take me off of hydroxychloroquine.
And I go, this is after, like weeks after I got out of the hospital.
I go, why'd you take me off?
He goes, where your body was at that time.
It couldn't handle it.
It was not a good fit.
So we had to take you off.
So I must have got worse overnight.
And I'm just guessing here.
But they must have saw something get worse.
My lungs were still filling up with fluid.
So they kept me on the HIV drug and whatever else they were giving to me.
But it was...
It's like I still have fluid in my lungs.
They said it would take 12 weeks.
joe rogan
Still?
michael yo
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many weeks have you been out now?
michael yo
Eight.
Wow.
And I'm so weak.
Literally, they just approved me to start working out last week.
So I did my first Lift Society class online, and usually I could do 10 to 15 pull-ups each set.
I could do two.
joe rogan
Two pull-ups.
michael yo
And I'm just weak.
I still...
Get winded.
Like when I talk a lot, I'll get winded and I'll just have to catch my breath.
joe rogan
Wow, like an old man.
michael yo
I'm telling you.
Wow.
For me, people win it real bad.
It's just not, oh, you're over it and you can move on.
You got to build back into it.
It's like rebuilding your body and your mind.
joe rogan
Did they recommend anything as far as supplements or anything along those lines?
michael yo
No, nothing.
He says it's just rest.
joe rogan
Well, he's basically done his job, right?
He's like, motherfucker, you're alive.
Figure this shit out on your own.
michael yo
Right?
joe rogan
Go get strong.
michael yo
And literally, I was the first person there, and then by the time I left, eight days later, that place was filled with people.
That's how fast it happened.
Wow.
That's how fast it happened.
And I saw people, like, tapping out.
You know, I didn't see it, but I saw, you know, the bodies pass the line, and I'm like, wow.
joe rogan
How many people died while you were there?
michael yo
I saw one.
And that's when it really hit me that.
And I got close to a nurse.
I go, did they get to see you?
He goes, no.
They died in there alone.
They tried to FaceTime.
Can you imagine?
unidentified
Oof.
michael yo
Yeah.
And then, like, you see the stories, walkie-talkies.
They're talking about walkie-talkies.
They're talking about phone.
They're talking, trying to FaceTime.
Like, I don't care if I like you or if I like you.
Like, that's no way to die by yourself.
You know, not today.
And it's a thing where I just want people to know, look, They're opening up the country.
And I get it.
I get the other side, too.
That's why I get that people got to work.
People got to get their lives back.
But you need to be safe.
You need to be safe.
Because it's a thing like, if President Trump comes out and goes, hey, we're going to do herd immunity, you're prepared for that.
But right now, we don't know what to expect.
We've gone from 60,000 deaths, now they're saying it's going to be 137,000.
Like, what's going on?
We only know what they tell us.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
michael yo
But I'm finding out there's so much more stuff we don't know because they don't know.
Now you're finding out that kids, like a very small amount of kids, are getting it.
And I don't understand the whole thing about just not being careful or safe because it's not about you.
It's about other people.
Like the whole thing about, well, you know, a lot of blacks and Hispanics are getting it.
Yeah, because they're working at all these essential jobs.
They're at your grocery stores.
They're doing the jobs that a lot of people don't do.
joe rogan
Well, anybody that's in poverty as well, you're working those essential jobs, but on top of that, you're probably not eating well.
michael yo
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a real problem.
michael yo
It goes hand in hand.
Oh, yeah.
Their whole thing, if you can get a whole meal, two burgers and two fries and two cokes for $3.99, it's a problem with that food.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
Right.
joe rogan
Good point.
michael yo
It's making you sick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Good point.
michael yo
But that's all you can afford.
unidentified
Right.
michael yo
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it is crazy that the cheapest food is the worst for you and the most fattening.
michael yo
But that's the one that you go to because you can't afford anything else.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael yo
You know, I'm getting stories about, you know, like, I have a bunch of Asian friends, and they're getting bullied.
Like, it's so terrible.
Like, there was a story in Texas.
A dude stabbed a guy and his two kids.
Two and six.
unidentified
What?
michael yo
Yes, it happened a couple months ago.
joe rogan
He stabbed a two-year-old?
michael yo
Two-year-old, six-year-old, and the guy, because he thought they were Chinese.
joe rogan
Wait, this was in Texas?
michael yo
In Texas at a Sam's wholesale club.
Yes.
People are going nuts over this thing.
We're all in this together, but you don't need to take it just because even if he was Chinese, he's an American probably.
He didn't bring it over here.
joe rogan
Even if he was Chinese from China, he's not the person who made the fucking disease happen.
And a two-year-old and a six-year-old?
michael yo
Yeah, a two-year-old and a six-year-old.
I just feel like this whole time right now is giving people—and it's a very small group of people.
And that's why I hate when certain people go, white people.
Like, no, no, no, no.
It's a very small number of white people doing it.
I hate when people generalize a group.
Like, even the whole Michigan thing.
It's an open carry state.
They showed up at this lady's office.
joe rogan
The governor's office.
michael yo
The governor's office.
They were carrying the rifles.
They were protesting, which they had every right to.
And people go, I'll hear people are, you see it at social media.
Well, these white people, no, no, no, no, no.
There's 356 million people in the United States.
joe rogan
Is there that many now?
michael yo
Isn't it?
I believe so.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
michael yo
I believe so.
There's only 700 people there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
You know, and probably a third of them just wanted to protest to get their jobs back, just to go back to work.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
So you can't generalize people and you can't hate on people because of where they're from.
joe rogan
Well, you can hate on people that are so fucking dumb they bring guns to the governor's house.
That is ridiculous.
What are you doing?
michael yo
I agree.
joe rogan
Are you trying to take over the governor?
What are you doing?
Why are you bringing guns?
Are you expecting a war?
Are you going hunting?
What are you doing?
Why are you bringing fucking guns?
That's some weird shit when people do that, when they protest with fucking Kalashnikovs and shit.
What are you doing?
Why do you have a rifle?
michael yo
There was a guy, it was a clip I saw.
A guy was like, a white guy to a white guy was like, hey, I want my job back too, but why the gun?
And the guy was like, it just walked away.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about the Second Amendment.
I'm a pro-Second Amendment man.
I believe in it.
I think it's important.
But there's a lot of dumb motherfuckers out there.
There's a lot of dumb, dumb motherfuckers out there.
And they get to have guns, too.
I mean, I support that in a lot of ways.
I have to support that if I support the Second Amendment.
But at a certain point in time, you gotta go, why the fuck are you bringing a gun to Sam's Club?
Why do you have a fucking AK around your waist when you're walking through the aisles looking for toilet paper?
Like, what are you doing?
michael yo
It's amazing how...
But let's be honest, they're giving a pass.
You got a USA pass right now to act like that.
Sort of.
Well, no, I mean, you do.
What do you mean?
Well, because the president's like, those are fine people.
joe rogan
Is that what he's saying, though?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When is he saying that?
michael yo
He said that the other day.
He goes, those are good people that were protesting.
joe rogan
With the guns?
michael yo
With the guns!
Those are good people.
joe rogan
It's a stupid thing to protest with guns.
One of the nice things about this country is that we can protest.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That's a nice thing.
It's beautiful.
It's important.
This is one of the things that's been infringed upon by this whole lockdown thing where people, you know, they're being told they're not allowed to assemble.
It's a gigantic part of who we are, the ability to assemble, the ability to protest.
But I don't think that's just what they're doing.
When you're showing up with guns, you're letting them know that you're ready to take over.
You're ready to do something.
You might shoot somebody.
If you're threatened, you might use these guns.
It's like, okay, if we're in that way, you're escalating way past where we're at.
You know, if you're in a situation where someone's saying, hey, your family has to starve to death, hey, you have to stay home, hey, I don't give a fuck about you, okay, then I understand why you want to show that you have guns.
And you get to get a bunch of people together and go, hey, we need to stay alive here, and our rights are being infringed upon.
But that's not what's going on.
michael yo
But if you go back to the backstory, you find out, like, I don't know all the facts, but I know these people that showed up to this rally, they didn't put on that rally.
It was by another organization through Facebook or through some social media outlet that put it together.
joe rogan
And they told people to bring their guns?
michael yo
No, they just told people to protest.
joe rogan
To show up?
michael yo
To show up.
So we're all pawns at some point to this political game.
This is what's amazing to me.
We're in a place where they can put wearing a mask and make that political.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
Like, that's where we are today.
80,000 deaths, and now it's political if you wear a mask.
I don't understand.
joe rogan
What do you mean it's political if you wear a mask?
michael yo
Well, I mean, most of the people that don't wear masks are these, oh, I'm a Trumper.
Like, this is what we're seeing on TV. What I'm saying is what we're being shown on TV. And that's where most of the people get their information.
You know, like from the news or, oh, so these people are not wearing their mask.
Oh, they got to be Republican, not wearing their mask.
Oh, we need more testing.
If you hear, we need more testing, oh, they must be liberal.
They want to test.
Like, we've made a disease that's killing thousands, thousands, 80,000 and could be way over 120,000.
Political.
Instead of it being about, hey, let's all get through this, now it's political.
joe rogan
Well, we do that with everything.
michael yo
We do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
And that's a problem.
joe rogan
Well, we like to – I mean, that's one of the problems with having just two parties in this country and having liberal and conservative, which is crazy because there's a lot of people, myself included, that float in between both of those.
michael yo
I do, too.
joe rogan
I'm very liberal, but I'm also very pro-gun.
Mm-hmm.
michael yo
But why can't you be liberal and pro-gun?
joe rogan
You can be, and I am.
michael yo
But I don't understand why, like, if a Democrat says something nice about a Republican, oh, he's not a Democrat.
If a Republican says something nice about a Democrat, oh, I agree with what they said.
Oh, no, you can't be a Republican.
joe rogan
Well, if you go on Fox News and you're a liberal, people will shame you and get angry at you for using that platform.
And I've seen it, even with presidential candidates like Tulsi Gabbard and even Bernie Sanders.
I think that we're in a weird place in this country where it's easy to adopt a predetermined pattern of behavior, a conglomeration of ideas, whether those ideas be conservative or liberal.
And the real problem is these people that adopt these ideas, oftentimes they sink into these ideas because they're comfortable.
It's easy to get, if you, like, say if you decide people in your neighborhood are conservative, I'm going to be conservative too because that's going to make them like me more and I'm going to say the things they want to hear and, you know, I trust in God, I trust in God too.
And you say these things so that people will like you more and you'll fit in your community better.
And it just, it's a signal to the people around you that you're complying with the group ideology.
And that is more of...
That's more the case than people simply rationally and objectively going over these ideas.
You know, there's certain people that decide they don't want gay folks to be married simply because people around them have decided that they don't want gay folks to be married, and marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, and you can't tell me any different, and the Bible says, and this and that, and I agree.
And if you agree, well, that community will accept you.
But if you're a person who goes...
Hey, Bob, why do you give a fuck?
You know, if two men are in love with each other, like, they clearly, they're not pretending.
Like, I don't care if, like, obviously I have tattoos everywhere, right?
I don't care if you want to get tattooed.
If you want to get tattooed, get tattooed.
If you want to be like fucking Takeshi69, that dipshit, and cover your face with flowers, I don't care.
You do what you want to do.
michael yo
And let's be honest, 20 years ago, tattoos, that was like, oh, you're a bad boy or you're some kind of bad person.
joe rogan
Right, you're like some crazy sailor or something.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But some people will look at other people's choices that don't affect them at all and decide that somehow or another it's an affront to their values.
Like if two men are in love with each other and they decide to get married, somehow or another that affects you.
I don't understand how it affects you any more than I understand someone wearing shorts versus pants affects you or someone driving a red car versus a black car.
It's nonsense.
It's not your life.
If somehow or another people being in a man being in love with a man and marrying a man or being with a man and living and you know having a relationship if somehow or another that like killed all the trees You know I'm saying and like cause gas prices to spike Then you have a case.
unidentified
Yeah, and fucking all of a sudden there was something wrong.
joe rogan
But that's not the case.
No.
So what the fuck do you care?
So as a person who believes in liberty, I feel like you hear all these Republicans that talk about liberty and, you know, I believe in liberty and I believe in...
Well, that's liberty, motherfucker.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Motherfucker, letting someone do what they want to do, that's liberty.
It's not like...
Gay is this idea that somehow or another it's not a real thing.
michael yo
Two things on God and religion.
I think religion is looking really bad right now.
You know, if you believe, that's great.
But it's looking really bad because you're contradicting yourself all over the place.
joe rogan
Let me stop you right there.
This is the same as you saying white people.
When you say religion is looking really bad, that's the same as saying white people look really bad.
It's a giant generalization.
michael yo
You're true.
Very true.
And I take that back.
Some religious people are looking very bad right now.
joe rogan
But do you know why?
Because they're scared.
michael yo
But how can you look?
joe rogan
How are they looking bad?
In what way?
michael yo
Well, I'm saying, for instance, God, I hate to make this political because I'm not that dude.
I stay away from it.
unidentified
Too late.
michael yo
Too late.
But Trump, for instance.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael yo
Let's look at his past.
There's proof of him lying pretty much every day.
So for religious groups to support this man, you're contradicting your whole...
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that falls into what we were talking about earlier, this political ideology that he is with us.
He is against abortion.
He is against certain things.
He's actually pro-gay.
One of the weird things about Trump is before he ran for president, he was universally liked.
michael yo
Oh, rappers used to talk about him in their songs all the time?
joe rogan
Well, he was always on talk shows, and he would go on Letterman and shit, and he would even go on those talk shows and talk shit about Rosie O'Donnell, and people thought it was funny.
And now it's horrendous.
It's like the same things that he has always done.
Now, when you're in a position of being the president, you're supposed to be a different person.
michael yo
But you don't feel there's a contradiction?
With churches right now?
joe rogan
Oh, well, certainly with people that – look, there's a lot of – Some churches, excuse me, let me rephrase that.
michael yo
Some people at some churches.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that will support values that are contrary to what they supposedly believe in if that aids them politically, if it helps them.
Look, there's a lot of churches.
That make a lot of money, and then they don't pay taxes.
That, to me, is one of the most offensive things about religion.
The idea that Joel Osteen should have a giant arena and fly around in private jets and live in a castle, live in the mansions, or that...
What's that other guy?
The fucking...
COVID be gone!
What's that guy's name again?
jamie vernon
Kenneth Copeland.
joe rogan
That motherfucker.
That guy has got...
He bought Tyler Perry's private jet and shit.
He's a baller.
He's a baller for God.
The idea that that guy doesn't pay taxes is offensive.
And the idea that he really acts for God.
There should be not just an investigation, but there should be...
We should have a trial.
We should figure out, okay, is this a violation of the whole idea behind...
I don't agree with it at all, period.
I don't think that churches should be able to be exempt from taxes.
If they get services like we do, if they make exorbitant amounts of money, and we know they do, they should have to pay taxes, for sure.
michael yo
I agree with you 100%.
joe rogan
But there's real clear evidence that they don't even act in accordance to their own belief system.
There's real clear evidence that they're not even people that are really acting like a Christian.
So they're not even acting in their own religious ideology, and yet they still don't have to pay taxes.
michael yo
I agree with you 100%.
And now I was watching TV, and they can get a loan or get this tax exempt where they can get money from the government.
joe rogan
Because people aren't coming to the church, so they're not getting all that Even though they're not paying taxes anyway.
michael yo
My wife was like, we were watching TV, she goes, that's so horrible.
A lot of churches are going out of business because my wife is very religious.
And I go, why don't they use all the money they didn't pay on taxes to stay afloat?
joe rogan
Because they bought mansions and private chats.
They don't have any money left over, bro.
michael yo
Bro?
unidentified
Leave them alone.
joe rogan
They're working for Jesus.
Hustling for Jesus.
michael yo
Here's what's interesting to me, is my wife, when I made it, everybody reached out and they go, oh, God had your back.
And the first thing I thought was, so you're saying God didn't have all 80,000 people's back?
Like, that's messed up.
joe rogan
That is messed up.
michael yo
That's messed up.
Look, I'm a religious person, but I'm a religious person that asks questions.
joe rogan
So why are you a religious person if you're asking questions?
How far do you take it?
michael yo
Well, you should be able to ask questions.
joe rogan
Okay, how far do you take it?
You're Christian?
michael yo
I believe in God.
I don't know if I'm a Christian.
I go to a non-denomination church.
joe rogan
Oh, one of them hippie churches.
michael yo
No, it's not hippie.
joe rogan
Oh, I get it.
michael yo
No, no, no, no.
It's in Burbank.
It's called South Hills.
What's up?
joe rogan
Oh, Burbank.
Of course it's hippie.
It's in Burbank.
michael yo
But I go to a church where, look...
They don't believe in hate and all that, but it's a thing where certain people say certain things, and when I got all these messages, God had your back, God had your back, and I'm thinking about the dude I saw rolled out.
Why didn't God have their back?
joe rogan
He jerked off too much.
michael yo
Did he really?
joe rogan
That's what I heard.
I heard he jerked off thinking about guys, too.
God's like, fuck you.
michael yo
You're so wrong.
I have no comment on that one.
joe rogan
But it's true.
It's like, why would God, I mean, why does God let babies die?
Why'd God let that little kid get stabbed, the little Asian baby, that two-year-old kid get stabbed?
michael yo
Here's the question that nobody can answer for me, is that if God gets all the applause for something great happening, he should get all the blame for something bad happening.
Because, obviously, from what I'm told, Look, I'm not a scholar on the Bible, but if something great happens, we all praise Him.
But we never tend to not praise Him or say...
We never tend to criticize Him when a whole plane blows up.
And that's the only problem with the religion I have.
joe rogan
When you say you believe in God, what does that mean to you when you're saying that?
Do you say that because it makes you feel better?
michael yo
I feel...
This is what I feel, is I feel...
Every type of tribe before us, the ones that had religion or some type of thing they believed in, they survived.
The ones that didn't, they cannibalized each other.
I think what religion does...
Is it keeps people afloat and makes them feel like something better is on the other side.
And I think it kind of it's the rule of law.
It kind of keeps people on the right track.
If nobody had religion, I feel we would cannibalize each other just from the past.
We learned from the past.
It's the same thing.
Like tribes that didn't have anything to believe in.
They ate each other up.
joe rogan
Well, I feel like we live in a completely different world because the interconnectedness that we experience today didn't exist before.
So today we have access to information and to the vast body of work That people have written about philosophy and ethics and morals.
And I think we can understand why it's good to be a good person without having to invoke a higher power or some sort of divine spiritual entity that's watching over everything.
Before, that wasn't the case.
Before when we were establishing civilization and we were moving from primitive groups that live in tribes, which we all came from.
Look, the one thing that we have to take into consideration is that we are here because some people did some really violent shit and they made it through because some other people were trying to do some violent shit to them.
That is why we made it here.
We made it here to this day in 2020 because our ancestors were better at violence That's really the truth.
I mean, there's no getting around it.
We are a warlike race of beings that have consistently throughout history conquered each other and done awful terrible things to each other and took over land and took over resources and took over cities and took over women.
I mean, this is what people did that got them to this point and whatever we needed To get people to act in a more moral or ethical way, whether it's a higher power or whatever it is, to get people from just stopping, just raping and pillaging their way across the world without any repercussions whatsoever.
Whatever that is, I'm all for it.
And it was religion.
And I think many people probably successfully have.
I'm not really aware of it, but I would imagine, I'm not the first person to bring this up, that religion is in many ways sort of a natural creation of the human mind and the human psyche to try to move us past our primitive tribal monkey tendencies and move us towards some more cooperative way of existing.
michael yo
Yeah, I think religion gives order.
Some type of order.
And a lot of people don't want to believe it's over when it's over.
joe rogan
Well, you know what order exists when you don't have religion?
You have the order of might, and that's what you have in China.
Okay?
In China, you have a religion, and the religion is the state.
I mean, China, people have religion over there, but the reality is what's running China is a dictatorship.
It's a military dictatorship, and the king is the ruler.
This is what they look towards, and the state is the ruler, and the law of the state.
I mean, they do horrible shit to their people over there, and they do this horrible shit openly in front of everyone, and they still run a billion people.
michael yo
Yeah, I mean, that's just my take on religion, but I also know the other side.
Because anytime I support something, I also look at both sides.
I'm not just blindly.
I know religion has caused more wars than anything as well.
joe rogan
I think people have caused more wars.
unidentified
I think they use religion as a nice excuse.
michael yo
Okay, you're right.
People cause wars, but they're using religion to cause those wars.
joe rogan
Well, they're using religion to get—they have, in the past, used religion to get people to do horrible things.
And, you know, this is the argument against fundamentalism, you know, that it exists.
I mean, it existed in Christianity in the past, you know, the Inquisition.
You can go throughout the history of some horrific things that were done in the name of Christianity, some of the most horrific things ever.
But really, it's people doing these things.
And if they decide that their religion— Is enforcing this behavior, then they can justify these things.
And you see this, I mean, it's what you get with cults when, okay, forget about religion.
I mean, we cannot...
Whether or not a religion is a cult, I had a bit about it, where a cult is created by one guy, and that guy knows it's bullshit.
In a religion, that guy's dead.
That's the difference.
Remember the people, the Heaven's Gate cult?
They all wore purple Nikes, and they cut their balls off, and they killed themselves when the asteroid was coming, or whatever the comet was coming.
That is...
That was a way where someone used something, this crazy ideology, and got people to do ridiculous shit.
And you could say Jonestown was another example of that.
That was another cult, and it was where this guy, He figured out a way to talk these people into poisoning their brothers and sisters and then gunning down federal agents and killing people.
And they did it all because he had them convinced that this belief system that he was espousing was accurate and correct.
michael yo
What I don't understand, because like I said, I'm religious, but I ask a lot of questions and I don't believe the bullshit.
A lot of the bullshit.
joe rogan
What makes you religious then?
michael yo
I think I just want to believe there's something better and hopefully there's something guiding all of us to a better place after.
I want to believe that.
I want to believe that.
You know, if I were to die in that hospital bed, there's something or something.
I mean, something or someone looking over my family.
Yeah, I just want to believe in good.
Look, I'm all about positivity.
I'm all about love.
So it's a thing where why not believe in it?
It's not going to hurt me believing in it.
And if it does happen at the end.
Great.
If you go to a different place, great.
Now, I will ask questions along the way.
I will not blindly follow a church or religion.
You know, I do investigations.
I really look at the people that's involved with that church.
What I don't understand is the people that blindly fall into these cults or churches that you just talked about.
Like, I don't understand how your mind gets to a place where it's like no matter what they say, I'm down for it.
joe rogan
Well, other people would say, people that are more skeptical than yourself or not interested in religion at all, would say, well, we take it one step further.
Why would you believe that?
Like, why would you believe that there's some sort of a superpower that you've never seen any evidence of?
Some sort of a mythical, mystical power that's looking out for everybody.
Like, why would you think that when there's no evidence of that?
The evidence that we do have is evidence that people in community, in friendship and love, that there's a great benefit We're good to go.
That's real, you know, but the reality is, is there a God watching?
A doctor got killed by wild dogs yesterday in Georgia.
Did you hear about that story?
Yeah.
There's packs of wild dogs.
michael yo
Running through Georgia right now?
joe rogan
It's always been an issue when people let dogs loose and dogs become feral and they don't have food.
They stop being pets and they revert towards more wolf-like behavior.
I think it was Georgia.
I read it this morning.
Can you find that?
I'll send it to you if you want.
I certainly have it.
jamie vernon
The only problem I'm seeing is that the doctor was a doctor in Connecticut, I guess.
joe rogan
Was it?
jamie vernon
Well, it says Middle Georgia doctor found dead, and then former CT doctor, I'm sorry, so it's not Connecticut, yeah, sorry.
Middle Georgia, yeah.
joe rogan
Georgia doctor killed by a pack of wild dogs.
jamie vernon
You know, I saw CT and thought it was in Connecticut.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So this lady, it was a lady.
It's not the first time.
I was confusing this.
There was a man who was killed by wild dogs in Georgia a couple of years ago.
Dr. Nancy Shaw, who was a doctor in Connecticut.
And 3 a.m.
Thursday...
They found her body.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
She was on the wrong side of the road.
And fuck.
The engine was running.
The door was open.
They got out of the patrol car to investigate.
Found a female that was deceased.
The autopsy confirmed that she died after being attacked by animals.
Police confirmed to the station, which gave the further details.
Police are trying to find the roaming beasts.
Interesting that they phrased it that way.
michael yo
So roaming beasts?
joe rogan
Dogs.
Well, packs of dogs.
You know, that is...
When you just let dogs loose and they got a...
Have you ever had a feral animal?
I had a feral cat once.
And a friend of mine and her boyfriend were living in this apartment complex.
And there was like this...
Thing where these cats got underneath the building and they had kittens.
And so she rescued the kittens.
She goes, do you want one of these kittens?
Because she knew I had cats.
I was like, oh my god.
Let me see.
So I went to her house.
These little hissing little fucking balls of fur.
michael yo
I'm just laughing at the idea of you having a lot of cats.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
That's funny to me.
joe rogan
I have three cats.
I have two now.
But I had three at one point in time.
So I take this cat in and it was crazy, man.
It was a little baby cat.
But it was like...
Like wild.
I mean, fucking wild.
Like it thought I was definitely going to kill it and eat it.
And then I would pick the cat up and it would start purring.
Like immediately.
Like loud.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
Like so happy.
And then I'd put it down and it would hiss at me again.
This poor thing was wild.
And that cat was wild to the day it died.
I was the only one who could touch it.
michael yo
You kept the cat?
joe rogan
Yeah, I kept him for years.
michael yo
Wow.
joe rogan
My dog killed him.
Yeah, he talked some shit to my pit bull.
My dog was like, oh really?
michael yo
Excuse me?
joe rogan
Check this out.
Yeah, because he would hiss at the dog, and I guess he fucked with the dog one time.
The dog's like, why is this goddamn thing in the house?
And he kept pissing in the house.
He would piss in the house, especially if he was mad at the dog.
He would piss near where the dog slept.
One day, I wasn't home.
The dog just took it into his own hands.
michael yo
Where'd you find a cat?
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
I was home and he killed two cats.
That dog.
They were both cunty cats that got shitty with them.
Pitbulls.
This was in my 20s.
I was a different man.
But...
This cat, when I had him, I was the only one that could pet him.
I was the only one that could touch him.
I could go up to him, like, what's up, bro?
And I could give him a little pet, and then I could pick him up, and he would purr.
But I was the only one.
michael yo
But nobody else, huh?
joe rogan
Anyone else he saw, he was like, this motherfucker's gonna eat me.
And he just ran away from him.
Yeah, it was weird.
michael yo
Man.
joe rogan
But anyway, my point is, I had this other cat that's a ragdoll.
I have two ragdolls now.
They're like fluffballs, man.
You pick them up, they just go limp.
They're domesticated cats.
I have a domesticated dog.
I have a golden retriever.
You haven't met him yet.
I see the walks.
He's the best.
He's the sweetest.
I love him to death.
I wake up in the morning.
I made a video of it because it's so ridiculous how my morning starts.
He waits for me outside the door of my room.
I open the door and I go, Bro!
I go, what's up?
And he just runs around in circles.
He always grabs a toy.
He always has to bring a toy over to me.
And then I'm petting him.
He's always like, he's moaning in ecstasy, wagging his tail, runs around in circles.
He's domesticated.
He's just a love bug.
And he's like this with everybody.
If you come over my house, that's what he's going to do to you.
He's going to go, oh!
unidentified
Hello!
Hello!
joe rogan
He runs around in circles around you.
He wants you to touch him.
He'll drop to his belly.
He'll drop to his back, wants you to rub his belly.
michael yo
But that's because of you, too, though.
You domesticated him like that.
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
But he's also a golden retriever.
michael yo
Yeah, they're super nice.
joe rogan
They're the nicest dogs ever.
But he's domesticated, okay?
Wild cats.
Are so different than domesticated cats.
It's like a different thing, man.
They're so different.
He would hiss at anybody to come near him.
Anybody.
You come near him...
I had to bring him to the veterinarian to get him fixed.
He got to a certain point, he was spraying in the house.
I'm like, this motherfucker.
Because that's what happens to male cats.
Yeah.
So...
The way I got him, I had to lock me and him in the bathroom together, and then I had to throw...
I forget if it was a towel or a blanket or a bathrobe.
I forget what I threw on him.
michael yo
It's like a kidnapping, for real.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
This is 96, somewhere around then.
I throw this fucking blanket on this cat, and then I have to grab him and rest him.
And then I stuff him in a hamper.
And then I take him with a fucking duct taped hamper to Dr. Craig, my veterinarian.
michael yo
Okay, why didn't you just get rid of the cat?
I love him.
joe rogan
Because I loved him.
And I felt like he was like me in a lot of ways.
That, you know, he just didn't...
Didn't have anybody that looked out for him.
Like, he was abandoned.
I felt like, in a lot of ways, like, look, I don't know my dad.
And because of that, I have this weird thing about taking care of things, taking care of people.
I felt like I was abandoned.
I haven't spoken to my dad since I was seven years old.
And I knew him before that.
So, like, all my life, I've sort of had this thing like, hey, that can happen.
Well, you could be abandoned.
And it's one of the reasons why I've always had this very liberal and charitable outlook on things, even though a lot of people confuse me with being conservative.
I'm not very conservative with people, because I know that things can go wrong with people.
I also know that some people are lazy fucks.
And they need to go to work.
They need to get their ass in gear and stop making fucking excuses.
But these are like little mental traps that people have fallen into.
And oftentimes they just don't have the right tools.
They don't have the right information to sort of make these corrections and adjustments.
So...
I'm a hard-ass in some ways like that like some people need to just get their fucking shit together But I also I'm charitable in a way like I don't think they understand How to get their shit together when you see someone who's obese and smoking cigarettes like a lot of that is education and information and just the way their body has The way their life has gone the things that have happened to them outside of their control before they even became a fully formed adult and Just like this poor cat.
This poor cat didn't ask to be shit out under a fucking apartment building and then have this wild life where it's gotta eat rats and shit and try to take care of itself.
michael yo
Well, I also think that even people like me, I'll hear inspiring people.
And it kind of kickstarts you.
It kicks you in the ass and say, hey, you need to get it going.
I told you about David Goggins last time I was here.
I read his book and posted shit on my mirror and trying to make strides to...
But I think we all need that.
It's not just lazy people.
Even people that are out there hustling.
Sometimes you need that.
joe rogan
Oh, I need it.
I need it all the time.
I'm very fortunate to know people like David or my friend Jocko, Jocko Willink, who's very similar as well.
He's got a video that he put up today.
Go to Jocko's Instagram, and he puts these up all the time.
He gets up at 4.30 in the morning every day.
michael yo
It seems that's the time.
joe rogan
He takes a picture of his watch.
For him, it's the time.
michael yo
David Watkins, too.
joe rogan
430. Does he get up at 432?
michael yo
430 every morning, stretches for two hours, and then he hits his run.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
But play this.
This is Jocko.
unidentified
It's so easy.
michael yo
So easy to put things off.
joe rogan
Dripping with sweat.
unidentified
So easy to say, you're going to do it tomorrow.
jocko willink
Well, I want you to reprogram your brain and tell yourself that tomorrow is not a viable option.
unidentified
Tomorrow doesn't work!
michael yo
You do it today.
unidentified
You get it done today.
michael yo
That's what you do.
unidentified
Have a good Monday, y'all.
Go get some!
Out!
joe rogan
That's all you need.
You need people like that in the world.
michael yo
I'm gonna follow this dude.
joe rogan
You should follow that dude.
michael yo
Well, who is he?
joe rogan
That's Jocko Willink.
He's a former Navy SEAL who is one of the most inspirational people that I've ever met in my life.
And now he writes books on leadership.
And Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.
And, you know, every morning, he gets up at 4.30 in the morning, trains, takes a photo of his watch, takes an aftermath photo of puddles of sweat on the ground and the tools he used, and then takes pictures of the sunrise and the sunset, the beach that he earned.
He earned his right to go look at that.
unidentified
Wow.
michael yo
I wake up at 4.32 every morning.
joe rogan
Do you?
michael yo
Yeah, I do.
But mine would have been like, check out me drinking this matcha latte.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael yo
Get it, y'all!
joe rogan
Well, it takes every kind of people.
You remember that song?
Yeah, there's a song about that.
There's all kinds of people in this world, and it's okay.
It's okay to be a soft person.
It's okay to be a gentle person.
You don't have to be this fucking savage like Choco.
michael yo
But it's something about that Navy Seal.
They're just wired.
joe rogan
It's not for everybody.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Most people are going to ring that bell.
Most people are not going to do it.
michael yo
Could you have made it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I would tell you right now, if you asked me, yes.
But of course I would say that.
I don't know.
Unless you've done it, you don't know.
michael yo
In my early 20s, I would have loved...
Now, if I could go back, I would have loved to try to be a Navy SEAL. But I guess if you don't have it, if you didn't have that desire, but I just think that's...
It's challenging yourself.
joe rogan
Whether or not you can push yourself past the place that most people quit.
That's a big part of what it is.
A big part of anything.
It's being able to push, right?
When you get discomfort, people just want to back off.
They want to stop.
It's a thing that we have.
There's a natural inclination to seek comfort.
You have to have the mind to push past that.
michael yo
I don't know mentally.
I was working so hard, because those two days in the hospital, when I said if there was that eject button, and then your mind just like, no, keep pushing, keep pushing, keep pushing.
And after three and a half days, finally, everything started, my lungs and the fluid in my lungs started to settle.
But it's amazing what you learn when you come out of a situation like that.
It's what you value.
I'm a changed person now from that.
I hate to be cliche, but you appreciate the little things.
I've always been a good guy, a hustler, but just opening my eyes in the morning, it's a different game now.
joe rogan
Right.
You have a gift.
michael yo
The gift of life.
I have a gift.
I have a gift.
And a lot of your fans was like, hey, it wasn't your time.
You got great things to accomplish.
And I really believe that because I see the death total going up and I go, oh, I'm here for a reason.
And I think when we go through life, you'll hit a down point, you know, but you need something to get you back on track and say, yo, you're lucky you're still here.
You need like I've always valued my family.
I'm a family guy.
But now it's like, oh, you want to go for a swim?
Let's go for a swim.
You to my son.
You want to do this?
Let's do this.
And I think it kind of lit a fire under my ass where I was I wasn't coasting.
I was doing well, but I just appreciate everything, and I appreciate people more.
You know, because, man, when I was laid up in the hospital, I saw comics and different people drop off shit to my house through the ring cam.
And I can't tell you how much that meant to me.
You know what I mean?
Like, just people going out of their way to make sure your family is okay.
And even the text, even the DMs, Those little things, when nothing tragic has happened in your life, I don't think you really appreciate it.
You're like, okay, that's great.
But then when something happens to you, and these people don't know you, but they're reaching out, giving you positive vibes, and then people you know really well give you those vibes, it means a lot.
You don't understand how much it meant when I was laying in that hospital bed.
Fighting for my life after I got over that hump to read all these positive messages from your fans, from comedians, from close friends.
I mean, it really pushes you to live.
You know?
The power of word is so much to me now.
joe rogan
It expresses something.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It expresses something that you understand how close you came to losing everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, comfort is wonderful, and civilization is wonderful, and love and friendship is all wonderful, but I think to really appreciate it, you almost have to at least almost have everything taken away, or know it can be taken away, or know how fortunate you are, know how lucky you are.
Look, man, all throughout human history, it was impossible to take a fucking shower.
You know?
I mean, to take a hot shower?
Who the fuck did that?
Like, when did that first start?
Was it 100 years ago?
When was it?
So people have been around for, what, hundreds of thousands of years in this relatively similar form?
And then, like, 100 years ago, someone figured out how to...
Turn that thing, hot shower.
michael yo
And now this is just the way it's supposed to be.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, I went camping with me and Brian Callen.
We went camping in Montana.
We did this hunting show back in 2012, and it was freezing out, fucking cold as shit.
Nine degrees at night and you're in a sleeping bag and huddled.
And then finally after like six or seven days, whatever it was, we got to Billings and it was the end of the trip.
We had a successful trip and then we got to a hotel.
I took a shower.
A hot shower.
And it was like, oh, it was a bullshit hotel, too.
Like wood panel walls, just a skanky fucking weirdo hotel.
Ordinarily, if I was a comic, like working in that town, I was like, oh, look at this shithole I'm staying at.
I'd be like, well, I guess I'm roughing it.
Here we go.
But for me, it was like heaven.
I was in that shower like, oh, it was so warm.
The water was so good.
And to feel the soap and to get the stink off me because I hadn't washed myself in seven days.
It's like, ah, you really appreciate it.
You don't appreciate it until you lose it, until it's gone.
It's something that too many people are missing.
You know, and I like to give myself my own struggle.
You know, it's one of the reasons why I work out so hard.
Because when I work out hard, not just because it calms me down and it does whatever vanquishes whatever demons are inside me through exercise, but also...
I appreciate peace because when I push myself, I push myself in a ferocious, horrific way where I'm fucking exhausted.
Like when I'm running hills or I'm hitting a bag or whatever I'm doing, I'm doing it hard, man.
So that when it's over, I mean, I'm hands on my knees, heaving, and then the rest of the day is beautiful.
Because I made my own bullshit.
Instead of dealing with fucking hordes of barbarians coming over the hills or starving to death or all the real problems that people have dealt with throughout history that have kind of balanced out their perspective, I created myself.
michael yo
I think today's society is taking away challenges.
It's not pushing people, because it's fine being fine today.
One thing interesting you said to me last podcast we did, you go, you know, yo, you really never, and you exactly said it, you never been through any struggle, because I was telling you, my life has been pretty good, and you go, what makes you is you would never take away your struggle when you were younger, because it made you who you are today.
And after going through something like what I went through, It's changed me so much that I know that struggle is going to change the rest of my life.
It's even the mentality of myself has already changed.
It's like, I'm going to take risk.
Because you never know how long you're going to be here.
I know that's cliche, but you really never know.
joe rogan
The key is to keep that mentality.
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
The problem is for a lot of people, they slip right back into comfort again.
They slip right back into the regular life because this close, The call you had with death, it slips away in your memory.
It becomes the thing of the past.
It was four years ago or five years ago, and you're like, oh, I'm having a hard time getting motivated.
Oh, I'm having a hard time getting to the gym.
Oh, I mean, I really like to get my career in order, but, God, I mean, sometimes I'm depressed.
Sometimes I just feel so blue.
I sit around the house.
michael yo
I'm buried.
joe rogan
You're not supposed to make it.
And no one wants to say that to those people, but that mentality literally is like if life is this wild rush to the finish line, and I'm not sure it is, but if it was, those people are not supposed to make it.
They're not supposed to cross the tape.
They're supposed to sit back at mile three and take a nap.
And it's also supposed to be a lesson to you, the person who keeps going, to see, like, See these lazy bitches that they ruin their life and wind up falling apart and they keep exhibiting this self-destructive behavior?
Don't do that.
You don't have to do that.
You see them do it?
Learn from them.
Learn from the people that cry for no reason.
Learn from the people that fall apart.
Learn from the people that don't know how to pick themselves up.
And keep Going.
michael yo
But you can't say that out loud today.
I can.
You can too.
joe rogan
More people need to say it.
michael yo
But you're so right.
joe rogan
Who's attacking?
Who's attacking?
Those people.
The people on the sidelines.
The people that sit down.
Who are you, Michael?
You don't even know, Michael Yo!
I get depressed!
michael yo
Look...
joe rogan
I think some people have real problems mentally.
michael yo
They have real issues, some people.
joe rogan
Some people.
michael yo
But some people...
joe rogan
A lazy fucks.
michael yo
Fucks and use it as an excuse.
joe rogan
A lot of people.
I think there's way more of those.
Because there's a natural inclination to do that.
And to deny that natural inclination to do that is to exhibit ridiculous...
Lack of understanding about human nature because that's what people do.
We know that.
It's either willful ignorance or you're purposely lying so that you fit in the group.
The same way we were talking about earlier about ideologies that people slip into because it gives you comfort.
This is like There was a video recently where Adele lost a lot of weight.
michael yo
Why did people celebrate that?
I was so pissed off about that.
People that celebrated her weight loss.
These are the same people who are like, you look good no matter what size you are.
joe rogan
That's an interesting perspective.
That's not what I was saying though.
michael yo
No, but what I'm saying is, to me, the celebrity audience that celebrated her losing the weight Was saying people that say you should feel great no matter what size you are.
I think it sent out the wrong message.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's great to lose weight because when you lose weight you get healthy.
But there was a lot of people that were saying that we shouldn't do that.
Because one thing that I read that was hilarious was saying that it's actually fat phobic to celebrate her weight loss because we don't know what she's going through.
She might actually be going through a hard time right now because she just got divorced and maybe that's why she's losing weight because she's not doing well and she's ill.
unidentified
Or she works out and doesn't eat cake!
michael yo
Like, my whole thing is, if you're gonna, I just hate who, I hate people, and this is a lot of celebrities, and this is a lot of, it's like, no matter what size you are, we love you, right?
And then a girl lose weight, and then you really see who they are.
Oh, you look great now, we love you.
Okay, but hold on.
I understand.
joe rogan
No matter what size you are, I do love you.
Like, I have friends that are fat, and I love them.
And I've talked to some of them and tried to get them to lose weight, but they don't want to lose weight.
But if they did lose weight, I'd be like, dude, you look great.
Congratulations.
michael yo
It's healthier.
joe rogan
Yes.
But I still love them no matter what size they are.
michael yo
I understand that.
joe rogan
I'm not going to hate someone because they're fat.
michael yo
But to me, it's a wrong message.
If you're going to say you love me no matter what size you are...
And I'm talking...
This is more celebrity-driven.
joe rogan
You got to stop listening to celebrities, bro.
michael yo
No, it's just...
No, this is more celebrity.
joe rogan
You listen to Katy Perry, How to Live Your Life.
You gotta run around in circles like a fucking dog chasing a tail.
michael yo
No, I'm not that dude.
I'm not that dude.
joe rogan
I know you're not.
michael yo
What I'm saying is, don't put out this message that body image doesn't really matter, and then when a girl loses weight, you're like, oh, it really does matter.
You're just contradicting yourself.
Yes.
Like me, I don't care if Adele's big or small.
joe rogan
I do.
I want her to look hot.
She looks good now.
I like it.
michael yo
As long as she can sing, that's all I care about.
joe rogan
Well, I do care about that, but I care when anybody loses weight because it gives people inspiration.
The same way that Jocko video, that gives people inspiration.
The same way Goggins, that gives people inspiration.
Those people are important.
And Adele's important.
Doing that, man, how many women that were overweight looked at her and were like, I'm gonna fucking get my shit together now?
What's that other girl?
Rebel?
michael yo
Rebel Wilson, when she did that movie?
joe rogan
She lost a ton of weight.
michael yo
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That girl looks really good now.
She's lost a ton of weight.
And then, same thing.
The lazy fatos that want to stay lazy fatos, they get mad.
Like, you're just defining beauty standards.
And she was amazing before.
And, you know, it's not good to be skinny.
And there's a bunch of people out there that will come up with any fucking reason why they can just eat cake.
And it's not real.
michael yo
Look, my thing is, as long as you're healthy.
Some people are healthier.
But, like, my thing is, if you go to a doctor and you're too big and they say, hey, you're not healthy right now.
You know, you need to change that?
That's terrible for you.
But if you're a little bigger and you're healthy, because I know some big people that are healthy.
joe rogan
I bet you don't.
michael yo
I do.
joe rogan
I bet you don't.
I bet you know big people that would be healthy if they lost weight, but they're not healthy if they're fat.
Obesity is one of the worst things.
michael yo
I'm not talking about obesity.
I mean, they're just big people.
joe rogan
Okay.
Like football players.
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, that's different.
unidentified
That's not obese.
michael yo
Yeah.
Well, that's what I'm talking about.
unidentified
Big people.
joe rogan
Well, they made it look a little better if they got six packs.
Yeah.
michael yo
That's what I meant.
I don't mean obese.
I thought you were talking about bigger people.
joe rogan
Like Rebel before she lost all the weight.
She was obese.
michael yo
Yeah, I'm just saying it's a thing where...
Ralphie Mae.
I know so many people Went to Ralphie Mae and was like, dude, you got to lose weight.
joe rogan
Oh, I was one of them.
michael yo
You have to, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he had an issue.
There was whatever, the wiring of his mind, it wasn't going to work.
He was going to eat and he was going to keep eating and whatever it was.
I don't know what the demon was, but whatever his demon was, maybe he could have shifted and changed and people have, but it didn't happen while he was alive.
michael yo
I tell you, one of the nicest men ever.
joe rogan
He was a great guy.
michael yo
He was a great guy.
I went to Nashville with Sarah Tiana, and he took us, and of course, we were like, oh, let's just hang out.
He goes, no, we're going to go to his breakfast place.
So he takes us to the best biscuit place in Nashville, you know, in Tennessee.
But it was just him, like, hearing about me and coming out and hanging out, just as a comic.
joe rogan
He was a sweetheart.
Yeah, he was the sweetheart of a guy.
It was a sad loss that no one was surprised by.
michael yo
Yes!
joe rogan
That's the problem, you know?
It's like if you have a friend and that friend is an alcoholic and they die of liver cancer, you gotta go, you know, I love them, he's a great guy, but no one's shocked that that was the result.
And that's the same thing with obesity.
It's like no one's shocked when you do that to your body and then you wind up dying.
It's not shocking.
Still sad.
michael yo
It comes with it.
I just think...
joe rogan
I know what you're saying about the celebrity thing, but I really think that it's along the lines of what we were talking about before with religion and political ideologies.
People that are celebrities feel like...
They're putting out this thing that helps their image.
And the thing is, you can't say anything even remotely controversial.
If they do, people come down on you.
And if you're going to say something controversial, it should be controversial that leans towards the side of being liberal and being open-minded and being compassionate.
I don't think that being dishonest about the real negative health consequences of being fat is positive.
I think it's negative.
I think ultimately, if you can...
Look, fat shaming is a real thing, right?
People get mad when people fat shame.
But let me tell you something.
When someone fat shames you and you feel bad, you lose weight.
If you want to act on that, a lot of people do.
It's a bad feeling.
That bad feeling makes you feel like shit and you go out and you do something about it.
The reason why they make you feel like shit is because it works.
michael yo
Or you got to take the other side of the coin on that.
Some people feel worse and then do awful things to themselves.
joe rogan
Well, those people need to get their shit together.
But look, when people make you feel bad and then you make a correction.
Look, if someone said to me right now, hey, you're fat, I'd be like, okay.
That doesn't work.
You can say whatever you want.
It's not going to get in there.
But if I was a little fat and I have been in the past, I've had a little bit of a gut before.
And someone says you're fat, I'm like, ooh, okay, I've got to lose weight.
But if I didn't for years, if I kept going for years, then I would be obese.
And that's what it is.
You get on a path.
michael yo
But it only pushes people that want to be pushed.
You see what I mean?
joe rogan
Sort of.
michael yo
It's not going to work on people that...
It goes back to the lazy thing.
It doesn't work on lazy people.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of things.
Look, neither does education.
Neither does anything.
I mean, lazy people.
The inclination towards laziness, it's a part of the spectrum of human behavior.
And it's a bad thing.
It doesn't do anybody any good.
It's so unattractive.
Like, have you ever had a girlfriend that was lazy?
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
Bro, see, look how you said that!
michael yo
Look how you said it!
joe rogan
It's so unattractive.
It's unattractive to girls, it's unattractive to guys.
Having a significant other that's lazy is offensive.
michael yo
I tell you what, if Twitter and Instagram, people going after people, if there was work involved with doing that, if you actually had to go through steps and work to do that, you would have no comments.
If people actually had to work To put a comment up?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
Oh, it would decrease by 90%.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of what comments are is lazy.
michael yo
It's people on their couch being lazy going, oh, let me comment about this person.
joe rogan
Fuck him or fuck her.
But people in your life that are lazy It's very unattractive and it makes you angry.
If you're not lazy and someone's lazy and they're dragging you down, like if you're in business with someone and that person's lazy, it's horrendous.
michael yo
Get away.
joe rogan
It's offensive.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you have a business together and this is your partner and your partner is fucking off and not doing the stuff they're supposed to do, when you tell them, hey, we got to take care of X, Y, and Z, and like, I don't want to do that.
Like, oh my God, I'm in business with this fucking lazy fuck.
That's a terrible feeling.
But if you're in business with someone and they're like, I'm on it.
Let's get this.
Let's do that.
Hey, maybe we can do that too.
Fuck yeah, let's push each other.
All right, let's go.
Let's get it together.
High five.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
And then you feed off each other.
michael yo
People don't want that though.
A lot of people don't want that.
joe rogan
Lazy people don't want it.
michael yo
Lazy people don't want it.
What's amazing to me, when my wife was pregnant, we were a second time with our girl.
That's five months now.
I was reading stories about mothers being shamed for losing weight so fast.
joe rogan
I've heard that.
Because other fatos get mad.
michael yo
If you're not big, now you're shaming people for being skinny.
Literally, people will get in shape after two months, three months after working out.
unidentified
And they're like, well, you're not spending any time with your kids since you're in shape now.
michael yo
You've been working out, showing all these videos.
It's like, that's an hour a day.
Your kid sleeps 18 hours a day when they're first born.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
You know, you're taking an hour for yourself, and you're getting...
Women get shamed for losing...
I'm like, now this is ridiculous.
We're just shaming people for no reason.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a bunch of people talking, and the problem is, it used to be you had to be around those people to hear it.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now, those dumb fucks, they put it on Facebook, and the whole world can read it, and then other fat fucks chime in, too.
Yeah, I agree.
There's nothing wrong with it.
unidentified
And if her husband's complaining, she should get rid of him.
joe rogan
Just stuffing their fat face with cake while they're writing it.
While they're typing it.
michael yo
I don't understand.
I just don't understand.
joe rogan
It's fun to be mean towards lazy people, too.
When you say things like that, it's fun.
I enjoyed that.
michael yo
Yeah, lazy people know they're lazy, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
And that's what's great about it.
joe rogan
They're coming up with excuses for why you're wrong.
michael yo
Guess what?
This whole segment right now about the lazy?
joe rogan
Yes.
michael yo
People are really mad that are lazy.
joe rogan
Only lazy people.
michael yo
Only lazy people.
joe rogan
Jocko approves this.
michael yo
Oh, David Goggins is like, that's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Cam Haynes approves.
All those people approve.
Look, I have my friend Cam Haynes.
That fucking dude works a full-time job.
He works for the Department of Water and Power in Oregon.
He gets up every morning.
He doesn't have a day where he doesn't run 16 miles.
Every day he's running 10 miles.
Oftentimes we'll run a marathon a day.
He runs ultra marathons.
He runs these fucking 240 mile races that take three days.
Works a full-time job.
Also one of the best bow hunters in the world.
And every day, you go to his Instagram, every day, it's him lifting weights, it's him running, it's him talking, it's him saying, have a great day, everybody.
He's got a different approach to Jocko.
He's not screaming, you know, failure's not an option!
He's got a different approach, but that motherfucker gets after it every single day.
So if you ever feel like, like, oh, you know, I think I do too much, go to Cam Haynes, go to his Instagram page, Cameron Haynes, Cameron R. Haynes on Instagram, and you'll go, oh, I don't fucking do anything.
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
I don't do shit.
This guy's got a full-time job and a family.
michael yo
You realize, when you think you do a lot, you'll find people that do way more than you, and you're like, oh, I'm fucking lazy compared to that person.
joe rogan
If you think you do a lot, David Goggins is running right now.
michael yo
Right now?
unidentified
Running.
michael yo
Screaming.
Stay hard, motherfucker!
Screaming while running into a pole.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, but those kind of people, they'll let you know that there's more on the table.
You can get more out of your life.
You can squeeze out more.
And it's not for everybody.
Like, that's not for everybody.
But for everybody, doing your best is something that you should strive for.
For everybody.
Whatever that best is.
I mean, man, if you want to just do yoga three or four days a week or something like that, that's all you like to do physically.
That's great, too.
You don't have to be that guy who runs 100 miles.
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
You don't have to be that guy that said, like Jocko, four o'clock in the morning, throwing kettlebells around like a savage.
You don't have to.
You don't have to.
But you should do something to push yourself.
And there's a great value in that.
There's a great reward in that.
And there's no reward in talking shit on moms who lose weight too quickly because they're dedicated and healthy and they work out well.
And also, first of all, there's a reality to that, too, with moms.
It's not fair.
I know...
Moms who are like fitness enthusiasts that gained a lot of weight during their pregnancy and they have a really hard time losing it.
Their body just doesn't bounce back like other people's bodies.
Some women are just savages.
Like two weeks later they got a flat stomach.
What?
Look at this bitch.
michael yo
But it's genetics as well.
joe rogan
It's genetics.
michael yo
So you can't blame a person because they got good genetics and they've been working out.
joe rogan
Right, and you also can't blame someone who has bad genetics either.
michael yo
And not lose it.
But I feel bad for women because if they're a little bit too big, they get criticized.
If they lose weight, now you're too skinny.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the skinny thing, you're only getting it from dumb, fat, lazy bitches.
Were they getting mad at you?
michael yo
Oh, I can't see it coming from dudes.
unidentified
I can't see a dude going, hey, she got too hot too quick.
joe rogan
Fucking whore.
That's not real.
michael yo
No dudes are doing that.
joe rogan
The anger is going to come from people that are unlucky genetically.
But you can't...
Point to them and be mad at them.
michael yo
No!
joe rogan
There was this one lady though that she took a whole lot of shit because she had a kid and she posted her being pregnant and then she posted what she looked like a couple months later working out and she was saying don't be lazy.
michael yo
I remember that and people got mad.
joe rogan
They lost their shit.
unidentified
Shit!
michael yo
And she was like, this is her thing.
Like, you're going to her to look at her page.
joe rogan
But that's a different thing, because she's clearly got a great genetic roll of the dice.
And she's shitting on those women that don't have that.
Don't be lazy.
Well, listen.
Some women are not lazy.
Some women, they get pregnant, and it takes months and months for them to lose weight.
And it's hard, and it's a struggle.
And other girls, they just bounce back like a rubber band.
It's crazy.
It's not fair.
But life's not fair.
Some dudes are seven feet tall with giant dicks.
There's not a goddamn thing you could do about that.
michael yo
Can you imagine being seven feet tall with no dick?
That'd be amazing.
That'd be horrible.
That'd be horrible.
The disappointment in a woman.
unidentified
I can't.
michael yo
Like, oh, I'm going to get it tonight.
It's like terrible.
joe rogan
Or even a regular dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just a regular dick.
michael yo
It would look weird.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
michael yo
I haven't thought about it that much, but that would be weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, like if Shaq had a regular dick.
Like, what in the hell is that doing on you?
Everything else is enormous, a size 40 shoe, a hand as big as this table, and a regular dick.
Like, what?
michael yo
Like, what just happened, man?
unidentified
That's outrageous!
joe rogan
Yeah, but life's not fair genetically.
It's not fair intellectually.
It's not fair genetically.
It's not fair with the parents.
You don't get, you know, there's some people that get extremely fortunate with their parents.
Oh, absolutely.
michael yo
My parents are great.
Still married.
And they love me.
And I love them.
And we talk all the time.
But I know a lot of friends that parents are divorced or had only one parent growing up.
And that's a struggle they had to deal with.
And my struggle was different.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
You know?
You're right.
joe rogan
Life is not fair.
michael yo
Life is not fair.
joe rogan
No, it's not fair.
michael yo
But people should be fair.
joe rogan
People should be nice and people should be fair.
But circumstances are not fair.
There's really good people that get hit by cars every day.
michael yo
100%.
joe rogan
There's wonderful people that get leukemia.
And this idea that somehow or another that it's not...
It's not supposed to happen that way.
There's something wrong.
Someone fucked up.
No, it's just the randomness of life is not fair.
unidentified
And also the fact that, look, you don't live that long, man.
No.
joe rogan
You're talking to a 52-year-old man.
I'm 52 years old.
Even saying that, I'm like, that can't be real.
It doesn't seem real.
michael yo
You ever wonder, like, I got another 25, 30 years.
joe rogan
No, I get up and I just do it.
I just get up and do it every day.
That's what I do.
I live in the moment, get up and do it every day.
I live in the moment as much as I can.
michael yo
I think my thing is to push me, because I always have goals every day too, is to push me.
It's like, yo, I'm halfway done.
I gotta get it.
You know, like that's just my motivation.
joe rogan
There's a difference between being 50 today and being 50 in the past.
There's a great picture of one of the Golden Girls that said, it says like 50 in 1985, and then it has a picture of J-Lo swinging on a pole.
It's like 50 in 2020. It's fucking different, man.
There's people exercise today, people take care of their bodies today, and they never didn't.
As long as you never went through this period where you slacked off and ate cake and slept all day, if you never went through that period of alcoholism and drug abuse where you wrecked your body, man, you could hold on a lot longer than anybody ever thought you could.
michael yo
What's crazy to me is when I was growing up, dads looked like dads.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had dad bods.
michael yo
Yeah, the body, but just physically.
They look like a dad, where today, you couldn't tell who's a dad, who's single.
Everybody's taking care of themselves.
joe rogan
It's a different world.
But it's education.
michael yo
It is.
joe rogan
People understand that now.
They understand, like, hey, you really do need to do something.
It's not an option, whether or not you exercise.
If you want to be a healthy person, it's a mandatory thing that you need to do.
michael yo
When you...
Speaking about healthy, when you were in Florida, I want to take it back.
When you were in Florida...
joe rogan
Speaking of healthy.
michael yo
Yeah, right.
Florida.
The most unhealthiest place in the world.
When you were going back and forth, did you kind of stay away from people in airports or...
joe rogan
No, I didn't stay away from people.
I mean, I took pictures with some people.
I was a little weirded out by it.
Like, maybe I probably shouldn't be doing this.
But my take on it was, you know, wash your hands.
Don't do anything stupid.
Don't let anybody cough on you or anything like that.
Like, everybody...
I was around for the most part, other than the people in the hotel.
Everyone was tested.
All the people at the UFC were tested.
All the fighters were tested.
michael yo
The workers in the hotel?
Okay.
joe rogan
Everyone was tested.
And, you know, in the hotel, everybody had masks on.
All the people, like, I ate at a Morton's Steakhouse.
It was very nice to sit down.
michael yo
They had masks on, too?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Me and my buddy, Eddie Bravo, were sitting there eating a meal like a grown-up.
It was amazing.
It's like the real world again.
michael yo
Was there anybody in the restaurant?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
There was a couple other people.
Yeah, there was one older couple, no mask, and some young people at the bar, no mask.
michael yo
I tell you, when I first got out, when they first cleared me in my neighborhood, because everybody knew, like literally I would walk outside and go for a walk.
They would scatter.
They would run inside their house.
If their kids were outside playing, they would call them in to go inside.
I went to my, I'm not going to say the name of the coffee place, but I went to my local coffee place.
And since I didn't post, I was cleared.
They, the manager of the store, sent me a nasty, on my Instagram, sent me a nasty message.
How could you endanger all our workers by coming in and you have corona?
This is after three weeks I've been cleared.
And it's almost like you're being...
joe rogan
So you've been tested and everything?
michael yo
I've been tested and everything.
I've been cleared.
And it's a thing.
I got tested.
joe rogan
The manager said that?
michael yo
The manager reached out to me personally on my Instagram.
joe rogan
Did you respond to them?
michael yo
Yeah, I called their district manager and goes, this is prejudice?
Like, I've been cleared for three weeks.
And I have a manager just because I didn't post that I was cleared on Instagram.
joe rogan
It's also shitty.
michael yo
It's very shitty.
joe rogan
Shitty way to approach someone who almost died.
michael yo
Yeah.
And I was so angry.
And they were scared I was going to sue.
joe rogan
And I just said- They send you free coffee?
michael yo
I didn't ask for shit.
joe rogan
But they scared you were going to sue.
michael yo
Yeah, they were scared.
It was really bad, and I was angry.
But then I saw it, like, on my street.
Like, I was a plague.
Like, people, like, literally would run inside.
joe rogan
Is that alleviated, or is that subsided?
michael yo
Oh, no, now it's fine.
Now it's fine.
Now me, I'm trying to stay away from people.
joe rogan
Because you don't want to catch your dad.
michael yo
No, I feel good because I took that immunity test, and they said I had the long immunity.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
michael yo
So, I don't know the term.
But there's a long immunity and a short immunity.
It's IG and I... It's some...
joe rogan
And this is the antibodies?
michael yo
There's an antibody test you can take at this place called NexHealth where...
It's not FDA approved, but it shows you, like, your strand.
Is it long immunity?
Is it short immunity?
Hmm.
And they said I had long immunity because it was so bad.
Usually...
joe rogan
It sounds like you went to a fortune teller, bro.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Look at your hand!
The gypsies looking at your hand!
michael yo
But it said, like, usually the people that get it the worst...
unidentified
This is your lifeline.
joe rogan
It's long.
michael yo
It's long.
unidentified
You will live long.
joe rogan
The people that get it the worst have long immunity?
michael yo
No.
Longer immunity.
But it works just like the flu.
All the mis-mess- wear a mask, don't wear a mask.
To me, it was all bullshit at the beginning.
It's like, why wouldn't you tell everybody to wear a mask?
joe rogan
I posted something on my Instagram today that was from 60 Minutes.
I guess it was like last month.
I think it was last month.
Dr. Fauci from March somewhere.
He was saying you don't have to wear a mask.
Unless you have something.
The mask is not necessarily going to protect you.
There's a cool mask that I saw that's advertised, though, that they set this mask up.
This mask like seals to your face.
They set this mask up in this tube, and they blew cigarette smoke into the tube.
And then on the other side of the mask, it was clear.
michael yo
It's pretty interesting.
But the whole mask thing is like, if you know, they knew people were asymptomatic back then.
So you're saying only the people with problems need to wear a mask?
But you know people are asymptomatic.
joe rogan
Well, they didn't know how many people were asymptomatic.
Now they realize as many as 78% of people who catch this are asymptomatic, which is really crazy.
michael yo
But even if you know, 3% is asymptomatic.
joe rogan
But they didn't know it back then.
michael yo
Yes, they did.
joe rogan
They didn't really...
When he was doing this?
michael yo
Oh yeah, they knew people were asymptomatic.
joe rogan
When did they know this?
michael yo
Oh, man.
I mean, who knows?
joe rogan
This was March, I think, that Fauci was on 60 Minutes, wasn't it?
michael yo
But they had reports that people, like in February, were asymptomatic.
This is what I'm hearing.
They knew in February that people were asymptomatic.
joe rogan
There's so much conflicting information, which is part of the problem.
michael yo
But regardless, if you know, okay, they did know this.
They knew people could get it by droplets in March.
They did know that.
So, if people can get it in droplets, why would you have the only people that are having symptoms wear a mask?
If you can get it in droplets, that means if I'm healthy, I can get it from your droplets.
joe rogan
You see what I mean?
That means everybody can give it to everybody.
Everybody can give it to everybody.
michael yo
So why wouldn't you just say everybody wear a mask?
joe rogan
Well, there was so much confusion.
You know, the World Health Organization in January tweeted that according to China, it cannot be transmitted from person to person.
That was in January.
michael yo
It's changing so much.
joe rogan
But the World Health Organization has been in bed with China from the beginning, and it's really a big part of the problem with this is that the disinformation that the Chinese government had put out to try to alleviate some of the blame, I mean, that's their game.
Their game is alleviate blame and take control of the narrative.
So the World Health Organization was in bed with them.
I mean, that's why Trump, although it's widely criticized that he stopped funding to the World Health Organization, this is his rationalization for that.
Like, they have done terrible things.
michael yo
What also fits his narrative, though, too.
joe rogan
But it's true, regardless of whether or not it fits his narrative.
unidentified
It is true.
michael yo
And it fits his narrative.
If it didn't fit his narrative, he wouldn't have took the money away.
joe rogan
The narrative of the World Health Organization?
michael yo
Yes, it's their fault.
joe rogan
It's the World Health Organization's fault.
michael yo
It's their fault that we're in this, even though we knew about it before it got here.
joe rogan
We did know about it before it got there, but the World Health Organization did say that in January.
michael yo
100%.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you seen the tweet?
Because it's pretty crazy when you read it today.
It's like, wow.
Like, this is just a few months ago.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is four and a half months ago that they said this, and then you're looking at it like, holy Christ.
michael yo
I mean, my thing is, just going back to March 6th, 11 deaths.
In just this short amount of time, over 80,000.
joe rogan
Montana only has one.
michael yo
We need to go to Montana.
joe rogan
I know, that's what I'm saying.
michael yo
I'm all up in Montana.
joe rogan
They just opened up the restaurants again.
michael yo
Do you...
If you had to guess, when...
I mean, you do, like, arenas, but for normal comedians like me to do, like, clubs, when do you think...
joe rogan
Well, I do clubs, too.
I'm hoping we can do clubs soon.
I mean, I'm really hoping we can get things going in California again, but...
Bill Maher had a great rant about it.
It was really good stuff.
If you go to Eddie Bravo's Instagram...
Well, we can't play it anyway.
But Bill Maher had a really good rant that the key to this is not going to be stay at home forever.
No, it's not.
This is not how the immune system works.
The key is having a healthy body.
And this idea that your body doesn't know what to do with this, your immune system has never experienced that.
Your immune system, if it's functioning correctly...
It will fight this off.
Your situation shows that your immune system was dragged down.
michael yo
But my doctor said my immune system, I was opposite.
My immune system was so strong, it caused problems.
It overreacted.
joe rogan
Well, this was the reason why they think hydroxychloroquine works, right?
Because it stops that cytokine storm that happens from your immune system overreacting?
michael yo
That's what they said at the time.
I don't know.
Like, I don't...
I don't know, but my doctor was like...
joe rogan
But you were run down, right?
michael yo
I was run down.
joe rogan
So that's your immune system running down.
michael yo
Yeah, but from what my doctor said is my immune system was in overdrive.
But like I said, I don't really know.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
There's no clear answer.
I go every four hours.
I go, oh, this is bullshit.
Everyone's going to be fine.
And then four hours later, we're all going to die.
That's what it was like in March.
In March, there was so much conflicting information.
I didn't know whether or not we're going to be okay or not.
michael yo
The doctor I talked to said he had a patient that was rolling at about 60% oxygen level.
And you're supposed to be between like 94 and 100. And the guy didn't even know his oxygen level.
He was just acting normal.
And they said that's the thing that's confusing doctors right now.
It could be like you're climbing a mountain, but you're not breathing hard.
You're just normal.
So that's what I believe.
joe rogan
Climbing a mountain?
So you could be exercising while that was happening?
michael yo
No.
Well, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is the same oxygen levels you would get from climbing a high mountain, like 60. Right.
joe rogan
I think the problem is so many people do so little with their body that even when, although we're saying asymptomatic, for a lot of these people, it's like they don't ever push themselves.
So they don't even know their body is operating so weakly.
michael yo
No, what they're saying is, on this part, is the oxygen level in a person that would come in with corona was at 60%.
Yes.
But they were...
They were functioning like it was at 94, 96, where they're supposed to be passed out.
joe rogan
Right, but they're not exercising.
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
But do you hear what I'm saying then?
What I'm saying is they don't push themselves to the point where they find out that their body's at 60%.
If you're a person who exercises all the time and you're used to, you're in tune with your body, and then you're working out, you're like, God, I'm fucking dragging ass.
That happened to my friend's son, and he had it.
And the way they found out, his mom had it, but he had it, and the way he found out, he was like, he's dragging ass when he's working out.
michael yo
Oh, I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying.
joe rogan
Because when you push yourself, that's when you find out.
If you're just kind of strolling through life, you don't really need 100% of your oxygen, right?
Because you never get to that point.
But when you do push yourself and you're like, wow, there's something wrong here.
I feel really fatigued and really shitty.
michael yo
Well, I mean, they must have felt it because they were in the hospital.
So, I mean, they were at 60% oxygen in the hospital.
joe rogan
So how are you saying they're asymptomatic if they were in the hospital?
michael yo
I never said they were asymptomatic.
I said these people were in the hospital knowing something's wrong.
joe rogan
I'm confused.
michael yo
Okay.
joe rogan
Because you're saying it like these people were running around like there was nothing wrong.
michael yo
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying the doctors are confused right now because the normal oxygen level is between 94 and 100. There are people checking in with corona that don't feel well, but they're at 60% oxygen level, which you shouldn't be able to function.
joe rogan
Why not?
michael yo
I don't know the technical, but this is what the doctor's saying where you could look it up, but you shouldn't be able to function, but they're texting, they're acting like nothing's wrong, but they're sick.
joe rogan
I think there's so many people that are so used to feeling like shit.
unidentified
I don't know, but that level is so low.
michael yo
Like they said they should be not even moving.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was reading something about that as well.
michael yo
But I'm not a doctor, so I don't know how to explain it right.
But that's what's confusing to them right now.
And then you hear the kid thing now.
The kids are getting a certain form of it.
Like 85 kids in New York.
joe rogan
85 kids?
michael yo
85 kids.
I mean, it's a small number, but...
joe rogan
What are they getting?
michael yo
It's attached to coronavirus.
It's inflammation inside, and it's not...
Like I said, I'm not a doctor, but I just read about it today.
joe rogan
I like how you have to keep saying I'm not a doctor.
michael yo
I do, because people will take your shit so seriously.
unidentified
Like, well, he went through corona, he must know everything about it.
michael yo
No, I know nothing.
joe rogan
I like how you gave it a southern accent right there.
michael yo
I know, I did.
joe rogan
I do that too.
unidentified
Why is that?
joe rogan
Because a lot of them are really dumb.
Do you know where that came from?
Do you know what that's from?
Honestly, hookworm.
michael yo
Hookworm?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really crazy.
The stereotype of the lazy, mouth-breathing southerner came from massive amounts of people that were infected with parasites.
And these parasites were extremely common, particularly when people walk around barefoot and they would get these worms.
These worms would get into their system and one of the side effects of these worms was a decreased brain function.
So that's a real stereotype that came from a real thing.
Wow!
Yeah, pull up a hookworm in the South and then stereotypes.
Because, yeah, I forget who told me this.
Then I wound up going on a deep dive one night and just reading article upon article about this where...
They didn't even find out that this was a thing until I think it was like the 1960s.
They found out about this hookworm parasite and this parasite that was extremely prevalent in the South.
This thing is many of like how hookworm gave the South a bad name.
Hookworms once sapped the American South of its health, yet few realize they continue to affect millions.
So this worm would infect people.
Make that a little larger, please.
For more than three centuries, a plague of unshakable lethargy blanketed the American South.
It began with ground itch, in quotes, a prickly tingling in the tender webs between the toes, which was soon followed by a dry cough.
Weeks later, victims succumbed to an insatiable exhaustion and an impenetrable haziness of the mind that some called stupidity.
Adults neglected their fields and children grew pale and listless.
Victims developed grossly distended bellies and angel wings, emaciated shoulder blades accentuated by the hunching, all gazed out dully from sunken sockets with a telltale fisheye stare.
The culprit behind the germ of laziness, as the South Affliction was sometimes called, was Nectar Americanus, the American murderer.
Wow.
Parasites lived, fed, multiplied, and died within the guts of up to 40% of the population stretching from southeastern Texas to West Virginia.
Hookworm stymied development throughout the region and bred stereotypes about lazy, moronic southerners.
That's why you do it.
That's why we all do it.
We do it because it was a real thing.
And it was a real thing because these poor people were sick with parasites.
Wow.
Wow.
michael yo
I learned some shit today, Joe.
joe rogan
Isn't that a nutty one?
That's a nutty one.
michael yo
And I'm from Texas.
joe rogan
That's when you go, oh, okay.
Well, shit, that makes sense.
I always used to think it was just hot there, and it's hard to think.
Like, you know?
michael yo
Well, now when people say, you don't sound like you're from Texas, I'm like, thank you.
joe rogan
You do a little bit.
I can hear a little bit.
michael yo
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a touch.
michael yo
I say y'all still.
joe rogan
There's a touch.
It's a touch.
You know?
michael yo
No, you didn't know that.
There's no touch.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Really?
Yeah, you have a touch of Southern, some Texan in there.
Just a touch.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you're definitely not from New York.
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you're not from Boston.
It's like you have something going on there.
michael yo
Boston Corona's really bad right now.
joe rogan
Oh, it's real bad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They believe that there's a different strain on the East Coast than on the West Coast.
michael yo
I agree with that 100%.
joe rogan
You got that East Coast strain.
michael yo
I know I did.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got that hot strain from New York.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Honestly, you did.
michael yo
I think my friend sent me a picture because I didn't do any meet and greets, but I had friends come.
So he sent me a picture two weeks after they know I survived or like three weeks ago.
You're fine.
You're feeling good.
You're all good.
So he sends me a picture.
It's me and four of his friends.
He goes, we all got it.
We must have gave it to you.
joe rogan
Whoa, so you were hanging around with the fucking patient zeroes in New York.
michael yo
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
What were you guys doing?
michael yo
Oh, you know how they come to the green room and just say, what's up, great show, and literally hug in, and it was one picture.
joe rogan
And they all got it.
michael yo
And everybody in that picture had it.
So, the comedian, I know...
joe rogan
Who'd you work with in Gotham?
michael yo
It was Tone Bell, and...
joe rogan
Did they get it?
michael yo
Joe, no.
unidentified
No.
michael yo
No.
Nobody I worked with in New York and flew back with got it.
joe rogan
So it was only the people that you were hanging out with in the green room?
michael yo
Because no comics were in the green room.
They came back, but then there was like five people, so they kind of...
joe rogan
So they're all coughing and digging into your fucking craft service.
michael yo
Literally, I tell you, it was like two minutes.
But it was a bunch of hugs, kisses.
joe rogan
That's all it took.
michael yo
That's all it took, man.
And he sent me the picture.
He says, now that we know you well...
joe rogan
And how did those people do it?
They survive it?
No problem?
michael yo
All of them survived.
One person, one girl got sick for like two weeks, but it wasn't bad.
joe rogan
Not like...
michael yo
You got it worse than anybody.
I haven't heard of any comics that I know have gotten it.
joe rogan
No, I haven't either.
I really think it had to do with you being so run down.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's the only thing that makes sense, because I know, man, me personally, I am a different human being when I travel too much.
I just get wrecked.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just get wrecked.
Like, my brain's foggy.
Like, my kids ask me questions.
I don't have the answers.
I don't have the will to do things.
Like, I'm a different person when I travel too much.
michael yo
Yeah.
Well, it's a thing where, after I beat this thing, it's that road to recovery.
Like, you know, now it's trying to get stronger.
Like, I have my energy still, but it's just, you know when your body's just not right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
michael yo
It's just like, oh, it's trying to catch up, you know?
And I just feel like I'm that dude just trying to catch up.
joe rogan
Are you a regular taker of vitamins?
michael yo
Yes.
joe rogan
Were you before this?
michael yo
I wouldn't say I'm a great vitamin taker even today, because I hear so much about vitamins.
I don't know.
If somebody said, this is what you need to take, then I would take it.
But I hear different things.
Oh, take catalan, take zinc, take this, take that.
joe rogan
What's catalan?
michael yo
It's some vitamin that my wife's father gave me.
unidentified
Catelyn?
joe rogan
I've never even heard of it.
michael yo
Catelyn, it's from...
I forgot the name of the...
It's these pills that are supposed to be all organic.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a company.
michael yo
No, no, no.
Catelyn is a pill from this company.
I don't know what it does.
He just said it's healthy.
My wife's been taking it all her life.
So I started taking it.
But I'm not sure.
It's supposed to be healthy.
joe rogan
I take every day.
I take 4,000 milligrams of vitamin C. I take 5,000 IUs of vitamin D. I take a bunch of other shit.
Fish oil.
I take glutathione.
I don't fuck around, man.
Especially when this started happening, I bore down.
Seriously.
michael yo
I feel like if somebody gave me, this is what you need to take in a day, I would take it right now.
I just don't have that person to say, hey, here's the list.
joe rogan
Well, Dr. Rhonda Patrick will be on this week, and when she's on this week, I'm going to put something out.
michael yo
Oh, please.
joe rogan
She talks about it.
I'll put it on my Instagram.
michael yo
No, I would love that.
joe rogan
Let people know what you should do to strengthen your immune system.
Do you have a sauna in your house?
michael yo
No.
joe rogan
You should get a sauna.
michael yo
Yeah, I used to go to a sauna place, but obviously they're closed.
But those are great.
joe rogan
If you go to one of them public ones, what kind of funk is going on?
I know a guy who actually thinks he got it in a sauna.
He went in a sauna and he's like, that seems to me where I got it.
I think there was a guy who was coughing in a sauna.
michael yo
Well, no, these were...
No, but the place I went to, it's your own booth, but they clean it really good.
joe rogan
Your own booth?
michael yo
Yeah.
It's these little hot boxes.
joe rogan
Is that an infrared one though?
michael yo
Yeah, infrared.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's really the way to go.
Laird Hamilton seems to think that it isn't and I listen to him a lot when it comes to these sort of things because he does a lot of sauna work and breath work and things like that and he said he developed some real skin issues from infrared saunas.
The studies that were done, is it Norway that did those studies on sauna use?
They did studies that showed a 40% decrease of all-cause mortality for people who regularly use the sauna, using the sauna four to five days a week.
They showed a 40%, so four to five days a week, I think it was 160 degree temperature.
For 20 minutes, and they showed a 40% decrease of all-cause mortality, cancer, stroke, heart attack, everything, all the different things, because of the body's production of heat shock proteins from regular sauna use.
So I have not skipped a day, not one day of sauna since this happened.
I'm very lucky that I have one in my house, and I have one here.
At the studio.
So I've been doing it every fucking day.
And I've talked some friends into getting ones where they didn't have room for it in their house.
Costco sells them.
You can get a fucking outdoor sauna, a barrel sauna, like a thousand bucks.
I'm like, think of all the shit you spend money on.
And if you can afford this, please get one.
Because I think it's massively contributed to my health.
And also, like, alleviation of aches and pains.
I just feel good.
I get it every fucking day, man.
michael yo
Every day.
When I was on my routine, I loved it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
Loved it, but then everything shut down, and I'm like, okay, maybe that's an investment.
joe rogan
Do you have room in your yard?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, get in one barrel saunas, bro.
Yeah.
michael yo
Definitely going to do that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I get in the sauna, I do 25 minutes at 180 degrees, and then I jump in the pool, and I do laps.
That's how I end it.
That's how I cool off.
michael yo
Speaking about health, after this is over, I was talking to my doctor.
I want to go back in.
You know, because we're saying it could be my immune, but this has really opened my eyes.
Maybe I do have something underlying.
You know, it makes me want to see, okay, what could have caused it besides my immune, if there is something.
Like, this is the first time I really want to get checked out.
joe rogan
But have you been a guy who gets colds on a regular basis?
michael yo
No, no.
joe rogan
How often do you get sick?
michael yo
This is my first time in the hospital, besides the concussion.
joe rogan
Really?
michael yo
Yeah.
So, no, I get one cold a year in December, about December 14th, every single year.
That's just the time it comes.
joe rogan
So do you start thinking around December 10th?
Oh, fuck, here it comes.
michael yo
Yeah, 100%.
I know it's coming.
joe rogan
Maybe mindfuck yourself.
michael yo
Maybe so.
But my wife knows it's coming.
She's like, oh, it's about your time.
And I get it.
joe rogan
Jesus, that's like a period.
A yearly period.
That's weird.
michael yo
Yeah.
So it's a thing where I just feel like, you know, I get that one cold.
But when I went to the doctor, now I'm like, okay, let me investigate and get a Full checkup from the dude that saved my life.
Like everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
To see if there's any underlying.
joe rogan
Let me know.
I'm very curious.
I have to think it's the travel.
I mean, especially listening to that schedule.
Flying to New York, doing all those shows, flying back.
And of course, every time you fly, you're tired.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, always.
You have to get up in the morning, get to flight, then fly back.
And the time zone's all fucked up.
And the fact that you went immediately to Vegas and drove four and back in the same day.
michael yo
Yeah.
And then this was at the time where people didn't even wear a mask in the plane.
Of course.
I wore one because my wife made me.
But it didn't help.
joe rogan
Well, it sounds like we know exactly where you got it.
michael yo
Yeah.
It was New York.
I got it.
joe rogan
And those guys that you were with.
michael yo
Yeah.
So a mask.
I didn't have a mask when I met my friends.
joe rogan
Or maybe you gave it to them.
michael yo
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Oh, you're going to blame them.
michael yo
Yeah, 100%.
I know I didn't have it.
This is why I know I didn't have it, is because the two comics didn't get it, and they were with me there, and then one flew back with me.
And the only time they weren't around me, and this was the last show of the whole weekend.
So I didn't see those comics the day after.
So I know I got it from them because the other comics didn't get it.
joe rogan
Well, my friend Sturgill got it when he was traveling to Europe.
Then when he came home, he was with his wife and kids.
No one got it.
Just him.
michael yo
See, I bet you if he tested his wife.
They did.
joe rogan
They all tested.
They didn't have it.
michael yo
At the same time they tested?
joe rogan
Everyone tested.
michael yo
Huh.
Because my wife thinks she got it.
We got the antibody test, so we're waiting to see.
joe rogan
Oh, she thinks she has the antibodies.
Wait a minute.
Why didn't the antibody test...
Why didn't it...
It's supposed to take like 15 minutes.
michael yo
Oh, we're not Joe Rogan.
We got the one where you got to go in and it takes two days.
joe rogan
The swab.
The nose swab or the finger prick?
michael yo
No, they draw your blood.
It's the FDA one, I guess.
So now that's available at some place down the street from our house.
So she went to go get it.
We couldn't find time because the kids love her around.
joe rogan
So when is it?
michael yo
We get the results tomorrow.
Oh, okay.
I've taken two corona tests.
I took one before I came here like three days ago.
joe rogan
Your wife just brushed it off.
You're never going to hear the end of it.
michael yo
I think she did.
She said, oh yeah, I had a fever for a day.
And the kids had one for half a day.
But I think I got that.
I know I got that strand from New York.
And it hit me hard, man.
joe rogan
Dude, I think it's travel.
I really do.
I'm talking to all my comedian friends.
Everybody that I've had here that hasn't been traveling, like, dude, I have never felt better in my life.
I feel great because we're not traveling every weekend.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that shit's terrible.
I think it's like drinking every weekend.
I really think it's similar.
I think it's like you're beating yourself up.
michael yo
And also, I'm the guy...
That will do the show, leave the club at 1, and then get on the 6 a.m.
And that's what I did, too.
Well, I did Wendy Williams, so I flew out that night, but usually the two weeks before that, I do the late show, first flight out, because I want to be with my family.
joe rogan
I did the exact same thing.
That's what I did in Florida.
michael yo
And then literally, you're laying around all day going, what the fuck did I do to myself?
joe rogan
Right.
michael yo
And you feel horrible the whole day.
joe rogan
Exactly.
michael yo
You can't even function.
joe rogan
Exactly.
michael yo
Where I think I'm on that new pattern when comedy picks up again.
It's like, yeah, I'm going to take the 3 or 4 o'clock out.
I'm going to take my time leaving.
Because I'm worn out.
And you don't recover until Monday or Tuesday sometimes when you do like four shows or whatever.
joe rogan
When you travel.
Yeah, I mean, if you can, get that IV vitamin drip too, man.
That's a big one.
I learned that trick from Chappelle.
michael yo
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
When I did gigs with him, we...
We'd be out late, and then the next day, he's got a nurse that comes to the hotel, and we're all sitting around talking shit with IVs.
Like, there was a tree.
Like, the bag was, like, branches of the tree.
It was like, Donnell's on one branch, I'm on another branch, and we're all getting IV vitamin drips in the hotel room.
Like, this is so weird.
But it's so effective.
After you get it, you're like, fuck, I feel amazing.
michael yo
Is that what got you into him?
Yes.
joe rogan
And then a few of my friends get into it.
They do vitamin drips.
I've heard about it before, but I never did it.
Yeah, I'm all for it.
Jamie and I do it every week.
We do it every Wednesday.
We have a nurse comes in here and they give us an NAD drip and an IV vitamin drip.
michael yo
Wait, is the NAD what we talked about last time?
joe rogan
NAD is that shit that lengthens your telomeres.
michael yo
Yeah.
Does that make you feel any different?
joe rogan
I feel great.
I'm 100% in belief that it's made a big difference.
You feel the same?
Yeah.
It works.
It does something.
Yeah, Dr. David Sinclair had been here from Harvard, and he explained it to us, what NAD does and NMN, which is a precursor to NAD. You could take that in pill form as well.
michael yo
Now, is the NAD a slow drip?
Does it take longer?
joe rogan
Well, you could do it slow, or you could do it fast, but if you do it fast, it's really painful.
michael yo
You do it fast, don't you?
joe rogan
I do it as fast as...
I do it wide open.
It takes 13 minutes.
It's usually supposed to take two hours.
michael yo
What kind of pain are you going through?
joe rogan
It's not good.
michael yo
Jamie, do you go wide open?
jamie vernon
Well, not wide, but I've been doing it like 35, 40 minutes.
It's uncomfortable.
michael yo
What does it feel like?
joe rogan
Like your guts.
Your guts are on fire.
It feels like you swallowed hot sauce or something.
Like you're in agony.
Yeah.
It doesn't feel good.
If you do it over a long period, you barely feel it at all.
The first time we did it, she goes, do you want to do it fast or slow?
I go, let's do it pretty fast.
And so she did it at one hour.
And I'm like, oh, it's kind of uncomfortable, but it's not that big a deal.
It's like everything else, man.
When people tell me about the swab, they're like, oh my god, the swab is so awful.
It's so awful.
It's not.
It's just, you get it in there, it's like, ah!
michael yo
It's weird.
For a second.
joe rogan
Not that big a deal.
Not that big a deal.
But the IVNAD, when you do it, what I do is I have them open it wide up.
So the bag drains in 13 minutes.
michael yo
Beast.
joe rogan
But it's 13 minutes versus whether you're an hour of feeling like shit or 13 minutes of really feeling like shit, I'll take the 13 minutes.
michael yo
Okay, after the 13 minutes though, is it done?
Like the pain just goes away.
As soon as the drip is done, it's done.
joe rogan
Exactly, exactly.
It lasts like an extra couple of minutes and then I do the IV vitamin bag after that and that's nothing.
That's nothing.
That literally feels like nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael yo
Dude, that's beast.
My friend was telling me about that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You should try it.
It feels real weird.
The people that told me about it, it feels like your guts are on fire.
I'm like, how is that possible?
But it's an IV? What is it?
But it's just like you feel it in your chest.
It just feels really uncomfortable.
This is what it feels like.
If I could show you.
Ready?
unidentified
Ready?
joe rogan
Just deal with it.
michael yo
For 13 minutes?
joe rogan
Yeah, just suck it up.
Open it wide up.
I tried it first.
I go, open that wide up.
Let me feel what that's like.
And I was like, I think I could take this.
michael yo
Is it instant?
As soon as they open it up, you felt it?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, right away.
Because the drip's going like this.
It's just flowing into your veins.
Yeah.
Uh-uh.
michael yo
No.
I would be the hour, hour and a half, dude.
I can't.
I'm not.
No.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Well, no, no.
When stuff goes in me, I'm scared.
joe rogan
I hear David Goggins going, stay hard, motherfucker!
michael yo
Don't be a pussy!
Don't be a pussy!
Open it up!
joe rogan
Open it up!
I would rather go to 13. I always mock Jamie, but Jamie goes pretty fast.
jamie vernon
My explanation of it is, a little exponentially, it goes up.
That 25-30 minute range sucks, but any faster than that, it sucks hard.
I start feeling it in my fingers.
joe rogan
It's a big suck.
jamie vernon
It sucked.
joe rogan
So when you open that bitch wide, And you do the 13-minute jammy?
13 minutes is as fast as I can do it.
And then I also put the tree, the fucking pole where the ivy's hanging, I put it on a table.
So it's more gravity.
michael yo
Oh, great.
joe rogan
So it'll go even faster.
michael yo
Is 13 minutes the fastest it can go?
joe rogan
As fast as it can go.
Yeah.
michael yo
You're crazy.
joe rogan
But it's just...
michael yo
It's just pain.
joe rogan
I want to feel it, too.
I want to know what it feels like.
Like, um...
I play a little mind game myself.
It's not, though.
unidentified
It is!
joe rogan
It's not.
michael yo
I mean, it's your thing.
joe rogan
I respect that.
I want to have control over what I assign to sensations.
michael yo
So, does the pain lessen every time you do it, or is it the same?
unidentified
No!
michael yo
No?
joe rogan
No.
michael yo
You don't build up a tolerance to the pain.
joe rogan
No, I get nervous every week.
Every week, right before I do it, I'm like, fuck, here we go.
And I just get myself in the mindset.
And then once it's happening, it's just happening.
michael yo
Okay.
joe rogan
I watched Jerry Seinfeld this time.
That distracted the shit out of me.
Tiger King distracted the shit out of me.
michael yo
Did you like Tiger King?
joe rogan
Yes, I did.
michael yo
I loved Tiger King.
joe rogan
Loved it, yeah.
michael yo
It's amazing to me how some people just live.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
Like, that's so disconnected.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a certain special type of...
Of person that is like really into those goddamn big cats too.
Like that was one thing that I got out of that.
Like there's a special type of person that's into like having big cats in their backyard and shit.
michael yo
Have you ever messed with a cat?
joe rogan
No.
The little cat that I had.
It's a little fucking baby cat.
I was scared as fuck of that thing.
I told you how I corralled that thing.
Threw a blanket over it or whatever it was.
michael yo
I just find when you give certain people lots of land, they'll do crazy shit to it.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you have ATV tracks and shit.
Gun range.
Yeah.
michael yo
My friend has this ranch in Austin, Texas.
In the middle of nowhere.
And he always asks me to go.
But they got guns.
They blow up cars.
They use dynamite.
joe rogan
That sounds very Texas.
michael yo
It's so Texas.
They ride horses.
And I'm like, no.
Because I can see myself, and I'm a worry rat, I can see myself going there and getting shot.
On accident.
They drink, they shoot guns.
joe rogan
They drink and then shoot guns?
michael yo
They're blowing up cars when they're drunk.
That's them.
He has a lot of money.
joe rogan
He's going to die.
michael yo
He just gets used cars.
joe rogan
No one's going to feel bad if he dies that way.
michael yo
Hey, he's a good friend.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
michael yo
He parties hard.
joe rogan
If you drink and shoot guns and something goes wrong, people are like, well, what did you think was going to happen?
michael yo
Yeah.
He has a helicopter.
Helicopter?
Helicopter.
joe rogan
What does this guy do for a living?
michael yo
I don't want to say.
joe rogan
You don't want to say.
michael yo
Well, now he's in oil business.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
Texas.
michael yo
So, like, I just see them in a copter drinking.
Like, this is on...
He sends me the video.
And then shooting a car and it blows up.
joe rogan
From a helicopter.
Oh, my God.
Texas is a special place.
It is.
That's real freedom.
They don't give a fuck down there.
michael yo
No, they don't.
joe rogan
Austin, Texas, where my friend Adam lives, Adam Curry, he's already eaten at restaurants.
This was before I went to Florida.
He sent me a message saying he went to a restaurant.
They didn't wear a mask.
Everybody's eating normal.
Isn't it crazy how quickly that went away?
michael yo
Oh, yeah.
Well, I think people now are just accepting people are going to die.
Like, if the president just came out and said, look, a lot of people are going to die, but for us to get back, we need to go out.
So it's almost like herd immunity.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you say something like that, people are going to go crazy.
Like, how callous are you to say it?
You can't say it that way.
michael yo
They won't go crazy.
You know why?
Because right now, in America, It's so divided, where no matter what Trump says, liberals are going to go nuts.
His base, fine with it.
You know, so it's going to be the same.
We would think people would go nuts.
joe rogan
Yeah, you say that, but if someone in your family does something and then goes out and dies because Donald Trump- But that's happening now.
michael yo
That's happening now.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
michael yo
People are going out with no mask and they're catching stuff and then 80,000 people are dead.
So that's somebody's families those people are in.
joe rogan
I want to know, out of those people that are dying, what are the extenuating circumstances?
How many of them are old?
So I read something, I need to know if this is true.
Someone said that the, Google this, the average age of people who've died from the coronavirus is older than the average age that people die.
michael yo
Hmm.
I haven't heard that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I read that.
michael yo
I've heard 60 and up.
joe rogan
I was on the way out the door.
I was like, God, I've got to remember to look at that.
michael yo
I've read stuff.
And like I said, there's so many different stories out there, but I've heard that corona are killing people a decade before they're supposed to die.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, when you say that, though, that's when you're that old, anything can kill you.
michael yo
Absolutely.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
When you're 75 years old and you get the flu, you have a very high likelihood you're going to die.
It's much higher than if you're 35 years old and you get the flu.
That's like with everything.
So what are we going to do when the flu comes around?
Are we going to change our behavior?
Are we going to isolate and social distance each other when the flu is around?
michael yo
But the difference with the flu, you have a vaccine.
joe rogan
You sometimes have a vaccine.
michael yo
Yeah, but at least there's comfort to people.
joe rogan
Yes, there's something to the flu shot.
michael yo
Exactly.
But with corona, you don't have that yet.
And the problem is, it just started.
So you have no answers.
And literally, a new strand could come out.
They don't even know if it mutates yet.
They're saying it doesn't.
joe rogan
Well, they think it does, actually.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
They think that in India they have a completely different strain that will, if they come up with a vaccine for the coronavirus that we have here, it won't be effective on the coronavirus that they have in India.
michael yo
See?
I mean, so, like, there's so many things that it's just not known, and that's what makes it scary to people, and that's why it's so misinformation.
joe rogan
So what does it say here?
jamie vernon
This is the table from the CDC's updated as of, I guess, this is last week.
joe rogan
Okay, but this is not what I'm looking for.
This is going to be too broad.
jamie vernon
No one's written that article, though.
I don't know how to find it, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No one wrote that article.
What do you mean?
jamie vernon
I can't find that specific question.
joe rogan
Did you ask it that way?
The average age of people dying from coronavirus is older than the average age that people die?
jamie vernon
I'm going to type that in.
This is the article that comes up.
michael yo
So it says 85 years, 13,000.
75 to 84, 12,000.
65 to 74, 9,000.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The COVID deaths are in this column.
joe rogan
So the average age people die is somewhere in the range of 75. It says 78.54 and I typed it in.
So 78.54 is when people die.
So 75 to 84 years old would be the average age people die.
And that's 12,000 people.
Over 85 is 13,000 people.
So that's the vast majority of people.
The larger number of people is the 75 to 84 to 85-plus year old.
So that does make sense.
That is correct then.
michael yo
Wow, I keep staring at that 45 to 54 number.
joe rogan
It could have been 2263. Yeah, it's relatively small for the younger people.
And then when you get to 15 to 24, there's only 48 deaths.
5 to 14, 4 deaths.
1 to 4, 2 deaths.
Under 1, 4 deaths.
So, yeah.
So, I mean, it's not good when anybody dies of any disease, but it is interesting.
And it points to the immune system.
It points to whether or not your immune system can fight it off.
michael yo
Yeah.
Let me tell you, I'm staying, like I'm doing the drips.
I'm going to get a drip later this week.
I had one a couple weeks ago, because I've always been in the drips.
joe rogan
How do you eat?
Do you eat well?
Do you eat healthy?
michael yo
Oatmeal in the morning.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you eat?
michael yo
Well, I wake up, eat oatmeal in the morning.
joe rogan
Not really that good for you.
michael yo
Avocado.
joe rogan
Avocado's pretty good for you.
Oatmeal's just carbs.
michael yo
Okay.
And then, I'm just telling you what I eat.
And then, for lunch, I eat the same thing every day.
I have a turkey bowl.
It's just turkey, rice, and beans.
And then, for dinner, I'll have a salad.
joe rogan
Do you hate flavor?
michael yo
I'm not a foodie at all.
I'm like a robot.
I could eat the same thing every single day.
I do eat the same thing every single day.
unidentified
Really?
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe that's your problem.
michael yo
Eating the same thing?
joe rogan
Boring ass bullshit food.
michael yo
And then I eat a salad at night with fish or chicken or something like that.
unidentified
Boring.
michael yo
I am boring.
I am boring.
My wife is like, you want to order a pizza tonight?
Yeah, I'll switch it up when she wants to eat.
But as far as me, like in college, I did that.
You know, like you wake up in the morning, when you play college football, you eat this.
Afternoon, you eat this.
Like I was on creatine.
Like we were a testicle for creatine.
So they gave us that six times a day, but you had to stay on this certain diet.
I gained like almost 60 pounds.
In like a year.
joe rogan
Creatine put some weight on you.
Made my face fat.
michael yo
Yeah.
Oh, it was Samoan.
I turned Samoan.
joe rogan
Well, you retain so much water.
That's the interesting thing about when I did the carnivore diet.
I did the carnivore diet.
I wound up losing...
I think somewhere around 13 pounds in a month, and I got ripped.
I got really shredded.
But also, your muscles get smaller.
Everything got smaller.
My face got smaller.
Everything got smaller because your body's retaining less water because you don't have glucose in your system.
You don't have as much glycogen.
It's different.
You're not eating carbohydrates.
I wasn't eating any carbohydrates at all.
michael yo
Okay, so since I'm starting with oatmeal, what should I be starting with?
joe rogan
I mean, there's nothing wrong with oatmeal.
I mean, oatmeal's fine.
michael yo
You just shit on my oatmeal.
joe rogan
There's not a lot of nutrients in it.
It's okay.
It's good carbohydrates.
Oatmeals with blueberries is a good way to get started.
When do you like to work out?
Do you work out in the morning?
michael yo
As soon as I wake up.
joe rogan
As soon as you wake up.
Do you eat first and then work out?
michael yo
No, I drink three cups of water.
Work out.
I mean, three cups of water.
Then I have...
A little shake with that layered stuff.
The superfood.
So I have that and then I work out.
joe rogan
Well, that's good.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's a little something-something.
I've done both.
I do fasted exercise, so I'll not eat for 16 hours, and then I get up in the morning, and I'll either run, or I'll do yoga, or on a crazy day, I'll do both.
I'll run with the dog for an hour, and then I'll go and do a yoga class for an hour and a half.
No food.
But I'm pretty wrecked by the time the yoga class is over.
michael yo
Yeah, I... I sometimes do the fast thing too.
And I'll run and then I'll go work out.
And I feel great.
But if you get through it, you feel so good.
And you feel like you did something.
joe rogan
Yeah, you did something.
michael yo
You really did something.
unidentified
You overcame.
joe rogan
You struggled.
The struggle's real.
What I like is fruit before I work out.
It seems like that's the...
Like today I had some bananas and then I did some kickboxing.
I feel like there's something about fruit where it's not heavy.
If I'm working out really hard and I'm digesting food, it feels like shit.
It feels terrible.
But for me, oranges, apples, fruit, some blueberries, that's nice.
It gives me just a little bit of sugar, just to get me going.
I'll drink some coffee and then I can get a good workout in.
It's just enough fuel.
To power me through a workout.
I've tried both ways.
I definitely can work out harder when I have some fuel.
unidentified
I was watching TV. This happened a couple weeks ago.
michael yo
And I started laughing.
Because all that popped into my head was you.
When they released the footage of those UFOs.
unidentified
I was like, Joe Rogan is going to talk about this the next day.
joe rogan
I'm so happy.
I love it.
michael yo
But wasn't that released like a year ago?
joe rogan
Well, it was leaked.
michael yo
It was leaked.
joe rogan
But then the Pentagon finally, look, in the middle of the pandemic, what a great time to just admit there's UFOs.
Because one of the things that I said on my Instagram, I was like, in any other time in history, if the government came out and said there are flying saucers that defy our understanding of propulsion and physics, the world would go crazy.
But in 2020, people are like, eh.
michael yo
Has anybody seen those pilots?
joe rogan
Well, I've had one of them on here.
michael yo
Oh, so he's a believer.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dr. Commander David Fravor.
I had him on the podcast and he was explaining the whole thing to me.
Like his experience off the coast of San Diego, running into one of these things.
I mean, there's people that are debunkers, but they need to understand this is not just visual.
They had very specific, like, actual real data, including radar.
They tracked these things.
They used sophisticated military tracking.
These are real objects.
There's a lot of dummies out there that want to debunk everything.
And they're just as much of a religious person as someone who's a true believer.
They're a true believer that everything can be explained.
Well, not everything can be explained, and these things can't be explained.
When they're explaining how these things traveled, they went from like six feet off the ground to 60,000 feet in a matter of a couple of seconds.
They fly in some way that these military aircraft pilots can't explain.
They don't understand it, and they don't know what they are.
Now, whether they're from another planet, that's never been proven.
They might be interdimensional.
They might be something from here.
They might be some super sophisticated top of the food chain, top secret stuff that they're exposing these people to just so they freak out and, like, let's see if they can get an explanation for this.
Let's launch these things and have them fly past people at these preposterous rates of speed and see what the reaction is.
michael yo
Do you think those type of secrets, if there are, are higher than the president?
Do you think there's an organization that's above presidents?
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
Here's why.
Presidents come and go.
They come every four years.
We're going to trust some dipshit who wins a popularity contest.
Trump's a perfect example of that.
Here's a guy who's not even a politician.
Lifelong businessman who wins a popularity contest gets to be in the most powerful office, most powerful position really the world's ever known.
President of the United States, commander-in-chief of the greatest army this entire planet has ever seen.
You're going to tell him?
You're going to tell Trump?
I mean, he believes Obama's from Kenya.
A lot of people believe that.
But, you know, look, you see those birth certificates.
It's like, well, is this real?
Who knows?
And by the way, Obama's, when he was in college, his publicist for his whatever book he was publishing or whatever, I forget what it was, but wrote down in his bio, Born in Kenya.
So it wasn't just a couple of people.
It was literally somebody who was working with Obama wrote down that he was born in Kenya.
Does that mean he was born in Kenya?
No, it doesn't.
It might mean that the publicist thought it would be cool to say he was born in Kenya because it would make, wow, this guy's gone so far.
Look at him.
Now he's at Harvard and he was born in Kenya.
michael yo
It makes for a better story.
joe rogan
It makes for a better story.
So you have to take all the possibilities into consideration.
But anyway, Trump, that was his thing.
He was a birther, right?
So he believes a lot of wacky shit.
michael yo
And if you gave him access to that, he would have definitely told us stuff by now.
Of course he would!
joe rogan
Jimmy Carter said that he would, he said that he'd actually seen a UFO, and that if he got into the office, he would tell everybody.
And he got into the office and didn't say shit.
Didn't say shit.
michael yo
I really think when people go in there, man, like if you're a president, they say, this is what we can keep you alive on.
If you talk about this, we can't protect you.
I honestly think they have that conversation.
joe rogan
Well, if you look at what Obama said before he got into office versus what he did when he got into office, there's two possible scenarios.
One, he got into office and then he got compromised and he became corrupt and he became a part of the system.
Two, his understanding when he was running for president of how the world really works is vastly different than how the world actually works.
And then once you get in there, you realize that the huge spectrum of threats to the United States and to people that are coming from all around the world all the time and what needs to be done to mitigate these threats.
I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
I think it's more like that.
I think you have these idealistic perspectives that once you get into office, they get sort of dashed and you go, holy shit.
michael yo
You're like, oh, everybody wants...
joe rogan
That's why they all look old, too.
I think the pressure that they're like, what the fuck?
I think the whole world's barely keeping it together every day every day of the year barely keeping it together you got like this fucking Libya is a failed state and they're having Slave auctions on YouTube and you've got Isis is plotting these fucking These attacks here and this group and Boko Haram is doing this and fucking Al Qaeda is doing that and the Taliban and All day!
China's doing this and North Korea's got that!
I think every fucking president deals with a new series of potential terrorist attacks, a new series of religious fanatics that want to blow things up and kill people, and you've got white nationalists that are going to Christchurch in New Zealand and shooting people in a mosque.
It's like all day long you've got madness.
And if you're the one person that won the popularity contest and all of a sudden you're sitting in the fucking control room and they're explaining everything to you, you're like, the situation room with Wolf Witzer.
Come on, man.
michael yo
Breaking news every time they come up.
Breaking news!
Breaking news!
joe rogan
I think it's madness.
It's madness.
That's what I think.
I think all day long it's madness.
michael yo
Yeah, it's scary, man.
It's scary.
joe rogan
I think they keep Trump in the dark, they feed him Adderall, and let him watch Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
unidentified
And he just tweets about people he's mad at.
joe rogan
Don Lemon, you piece of shit, and he gets mad at people.
michael yo
I mean, how crazy is this that our president just tweets?
He tweeted, I think, over the weekend 126 times?
Or retweets?
joe rogan
Bro.
I don't even have time to tweet.
It's so rare that I tweet something.
Most of my tweets come from Instagram.
I'll post a picture on Instagram and that gets tweeted.
That's most of the time.
If I tweet once in a day, it's a lot.
That's a crazy day.
michael yo
I wonder if somebody runs...
Do you think somebody runs his account and do that?
You think it's actually him on it?
joe rogan
Yes, I do.
I don't see how you have that.
I'm positive.
Because...
I'm not positive, but I really believe that.
Because I think that if you look at his pattern before he was ever president, that's how he did things.
He always just talked shit.
It's the way he gets the word out.
And it's...
You know, it's real controversial, man.
I mean, because some of the things that he says, like, he's threatening people.
Like, he's threatening North Korea with missiles and shit.
michael yo
Did you think that Dictator was dead when that came out?
joe rogan
I was hoping.
I was hoping he was dead.
Because I wanted to see what happens if his sister takes over.
I thought that would be fun.
michael yo
She has my name, Yo.
That was pretty cool.
Because I am Korean.
So I was like, yo!
We got a yo in the house.
joe rogan
Got a yo in the house.
Yeah.
I was thinking, but apparently Jamie said that the story is that he faked his own death so that he could find out who the traitors were.
michael yo
Good plan.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
michael yo
Makes sense to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you look at him, like, he says heart attack, like, okay, look at him.
michael yo
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
The motherfucker looks like he's ready for a heart attack.
michael yo
Well, then that must also mean he's threatened in some way, too, where there's some...
joe rogan
Listen, when you're a fucking dictator, every day, it's like, think of the horrible shit he's done.
He killed his own uncle, right?
He had his own uncle killed.
michael yo
And his brother.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael yo
And his brother.
joe rogan
The uncle's brother, right?
Or his brother?
michael yo
No, his...
I believe he got a...
That's the airport one.
Where he killed his brother in an airport.
They gave him some poison or something.
Allegedly, I guess.
joe rogan
Really?
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
But didn't he...
He killed someone with a missile.
michael yo
Oh, yeah.
He blew him up.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael yo
I think it was his uncle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He shot his uncle with a missile.
Tied the dude to a pole and then fucking hid behind a rock.
unidentified
That's fucking crazy, man.
michael yo
Like, anyone, I guess, that could take power, or in the realm of taking power, he got rid of them.
They said that, I don't know their numbers, but let's say 13 people were like his father's crew.
Like, only two of them survived.
The other 11 disappeared.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to think, once he assumes power, and people realize, like, this guy's just born into power, and there's probably a lot of people plotting against him, a lot of military people plotting against him, and that's a dark country where they all plot against each other and they all rat on each other.
It's built into the system, you know, that they're all supposed to tattletale on each other.
michael yo
I just feel like, you know, this dude came in like a football coach.
He's like, I'm firing everybody.
I'm going to have my own team.
Instead of firing people, he just killed them.
joe rogan
I think that's what they do over there.
michael yo
Man, I don't know.
But my mom, she's from South Korea.
I always ask, oh, is North Korea ever going to do something to South Korea?
She's like, nah.
People from there, SEMA's no threat.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy.
It's a sad country.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's sad.
And a lot of the reason why it's the way it is is the United States' interference.
You know?
I mean, if you look at the history of North Korea, like how it got started and why they became this horrific military dictatorship, you can kind of trace a good chunk of it to American policy and what we did in Korea during the Korean War.
It's fucking crazy shit, man.
michael yo
Yeah.
This world...
It's just nuts.
I don't know if you saw the video of that kid that was jogging, Ahmad.
joe rogan
Yes.
michael yo
I mean, what is going on?
I'm not surprised.
I can say I'm not surprised.
It's horrific.
It's horrific.
joe rogan
You see that guy in the back of the pickup truck with a shotgun.
The other guy jumps out and he's trying to grab the shotgun from him.
They shoot him like, what?
michael yo
My thing is, how do we have laws?
That say that you could chase somebody with guns.
And here's the thing, if you notice in the video, the truck is in front of them.
So they chased them, got in front of them.
The guy that's running behind them, it's almost like Ahmaud was trapped.
A guy chasing you with a camera.
The truck was already pulled up.
joe rogan
It was certainly trapped.
I mean, they chased him down, and it's vigilantism.
Look, even if he did something...
I mean, I don't even know if he did anything.
michael yo
No, he didn't.
joe rogan
They said he was just running, but there's actually photographs.
michael yo
There's videos of him walking into a house being built.
Like, it's just wood inside.
joe rogan
Right.
michael yo
He looked at it.
joe rogan
I would do that shit when I was a kid.
michael yo
Me too.
I was telling my wife, we just did that the other day.
They're building a house and we just, oh, let's see where this is.
And then he jogs on.
Didn't steal anything.
Didn't have anything.
Just jogging.
Now, how do we come to a point in our country where two men can chase him down with guns and then get in a fight with him and then say it was self-defense?
joe rogan
Well, I think Georgia has some crazy laws in terms of, like, citizens' arrest.
And also, they have ties to law enforcement.
michael yo
Yes.
The father was with the DEA. And then the prosecutor, the local prosecutor, wrote this letter that said, basically, he burglarized.
The kid Ahmad burglarized something, which he didn't.
And they had every right to pull him over.
And when he didn't stop, they got in a fight.
And so they had every right to kill him.
So now the...
The government came in, like the big dogs came in, and then they arrested people in two days.
And it was just like, ah, we don't think so.
And here's the thing.
joe rogan
It took social media outcry.
michael yo
It did.
joe rogan
It took the outrage of people finding out about the case.
But when I found out that it happened months ago.
michael yo
Oh, 223. February 23rd.
joe rogan
For months, these guys were out and they knew that they had shot him.
Here's what's really crazy.
michael yo
They had the video.
joe rogan
Here's what's really crazy.
The video was released by their own lawyer.
michael yo
You know why?
joe rogan
He thought it showed that the guy tried to take the gun away.
Look, this is going to free you.
I'm doing the southern accent.
Hey, I got an idea.
unidentified
We're going to release the video and then everyone's going to know.
michael yo
That dude released a video and this is what I heard.
joe rogan
Thinking that it helped his clients.
michael yo
Helped him because the guy didn't stop when they tried to pull him over.
joe rogan
Imagine being a 25-year-old black man and two white guys in the back of a pickup truck with shotguns pull over and there's no one else around.
Holy fuck.
michael yo
What was the kid supposed to do?
Just stop and talk to two men with guns?
Exactly.
And then I was listening to reports like before this video even came out.
Here's what's crazy is the police had the video at the beginning and they still dismissed it.
They had this at the beginning.
They didn't release it.
The lawyer released it, like you said.
So they had it at the beginning.
unidentified
That is so cool.
joe rogan
It's crazy that the lawyer thought that that was going to help his clients.
michael yo
You know what I think?
And I don't know much about the person that shot it, but if I'm guessing, I think he shot the video, whoever this guy was.
It's almost like a hero video.
Look at this.
We caught a guy that burglarized.
joe rogan
And then the guns start going off.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy fuck.
michael yo
Yeah.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Vigilantism is scary, man, because people just decide that they're right, and they decide that this is the person, and no due process, no trial.
michael yo
None.
joe rogan
You're pulling up with shotguns drawn.
Cops don't even do that, man.
They turn the lights on first.
They pull you over.
They start talking to you.
They don't pull the gun out right away when you're just jogging.
michael yo
Well, some cops do.
I mean, it's happened before.
joe rogan
There's a lot of video of that, too.
michael yo
Video of that, too.
But I do think...
I mean, it's deep south.
joe rogan
Hookworm territory.
michael yo
Hookworm.
It's racism.
I think racism led it, too.
joe rogan
Well, it's very likely.
At the very least, it has to be considered as one of the main components of this sort of interaction.
michael yo
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I just feel that, you know, anytime you bring up race, you'll have the audience that goes, oh, you got to bring up race.
But this was a black guy that got shot by two white guys with shotguns.
Let's take away race.
Let's say the two guys shot a white guy that was jogging.
It's still wrong.
Yeah, it's still wrong.
It's still wrong.
joe rogan
Even if you take the potential racism out.
michael yo
Take it out.
joe rogan
If you've got a 25-year-old just kid who's out jogging and these guys pull out with shotguns and tell them to, you know, hey, we want to talk to you, like, fuck.
michael yo
Well, you've heard this.
Some people don't even think racism is real.
They're like, oh, there's no racism in America.
joe rogan
Well, who says that?
michael yo
I mean, I've heard...
Racist people?
joe rogan
But anybody who doesn't believe it, it's like saying sexism isn't real.
michael yo
But they don't think it's big as it is.
You said something at the Comedy Store, and it may have been in one of your specials, where you were talking about something, and you said, that's only four people ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, the United States, 1776. Yeah, that's only four people go.
Three people go.
michael yo
Three people go.
So, if you think about that, right?
joe rogan
Three people go, people own people.
michael yo
Own people.
So, you were racist, and then your kids were racist.
My dad is that third level, being black, had to go through racism.
So we're still in it.
It can't go away that fast.
joe rogan
It takes a long time to go away when you've got the roots of it that's still deeply embedded in these cities, right?
Like places like Baltimore where they had those red lines where you weren't even allowed to sell a home to someone who was black in certain districts.
It was illegal.
michael yo
Man, my dad has a PhD in nuclear physics and went to a college where he couldn't even eat at restaurants on campus.
Where was that?
He went to Oklahoma State.
joe rogan
He couldn't even eat at restaurants?
michael yo
At certain restaurants on campus.
What year is this?
Well, he's 75. So, 60s?
joe rogan
So during the civil rights, all the riots?
michael yo
Yeah.
My dad was in marches to try to get the local restaurant to let him in.
So it's a thing where when people go, ah, racism isn't that bad.
My dad is only 75. Right, right, right.
And he went through it.
joe rogan
During his lifetime.
michael yo
During his lifetime.
joe rogan
He's alive right now.
michael yo
And this is when my dad was telling me when he was growing up, My dad said he didn't even know he was poor growing up because they never left the area.
They couldn't go anywhere.
He never knew they were poor.
He never saw white people because they weren't allowed to go anywhere anyway.
So he never knew they were in poverty.
joe rogan
You know, I was reading this horrible story about even after slavery was abolished, one of the things that they would do was they would capture black men for loitering and force them into going into labor camps.
So they would literally enforce slavery but do slavery by having them in prison and forcing them to do labor.
Now, the reason why I bring this up, right now, There was a garbage strike, garbage workers strike, and so they brought in prisoners.
They kicked, find out where this is.
They, this is, I don't remember where it was, but I was reading it.
I was like, what in the fuck?
So these guys, the garbage men made $10 an hour.
They fired all the striking garbage men and brought in prisoners to do this.
Here it is.
Prison labor replaces striking garbage workers in New Orleans.
Stop and think about that.
They said, you know what?
You want more than $10 an hour?
I got a better idea.
We'll get people to do it for free.
So they're essentially reigniting slavery in New Orleans when it comes to taking care of garbage.
michael yo
Yeah.
I mean, it's still around.
joe rogan
But the fact that they think that's okay, that this is like, well, I got a solution, and the fact that you don't think someone should get more than $10 an hour to fucking take care of people's garbage, it's insane.
It's insane.
And bringing in, literally, slaves.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they shouldn't have done that.
They'll be paid only 13% of what garbage makers, so the garbage workers, who are only making $10.25 an hour.
So they're gonna get 13% of that, which is, what is that?
jamie vernon
A dollar.
joe rogan
Is that like a buck fifty?
michael yo
It's lower than that.
It's like 75 cents, right?
jamie vernon
It's about a dollar, probably.
unidentified
Dollar?
joe rogan
Fuck.
jamie vernon
Maybe a dollar thirty.
joe rogan
Fuck.
michael yo
I mean, that's just modern day slavery.
joe rogan
It is slavery.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean giving them a dollar That's insane.
michael yo
But some people would say, you know, they're inmates.
They did wrong.
That's right.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Scroll back up there.
Listen to this.
Metro Services Group has long been an advocate of helping persons who have been incarcerated return to society in a meaningful and productive way, said the City Sanitation Services in a statement.
Metro makes no apologies for this policy as a core element of our commitment to being good corporate citizens.
Under state rules, prison inmates employed by metro services would be paid only 13% of what garbage workers make.
Fuck.
jamie vernon
What's a corporate citizen?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
michael yo
I have no idea.
joe rogan
But that is so crazy.
It's weird because there's no end of the quotation marks.
michael yo
I mean, did this actually, did it go through?
joe rogan
How long is this happening?
michael yo
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
This is happening.
Despite the use of inmates, garbage workers say they will continue to strike in New Orleans.
They have built widespread community spreads from unions and community groups, but still, that doesn't make any sense.
They have built widespread community spreads.
From unions and community groups, but still the city has refused to meet them and discuss their safety concerns.
michael yo
So they have a lot of support from unions in the community, but they won't meet with them still.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
They've built widespread community.
I think they want to say have built widespread community support from unions and community groups.
They wrote spreads instead of support, I think.
They aren't trying to hear us.
It says Woods.
They don't care about us.
They would let anything happen.
This is awful.
michael yo
See, I mean...
joe rogan
If they were sick, we don't care.
They don't care if we spread the disease.
They just don't care.
Yeah, I mean, just a human being making $10 an hour to do a full-time job is fucking insane.
It's insane.
And a grown man in a union that can't get more than $10 an hour?
How fucking crazy is that?
michael yo
This is what we're living in.
And I often wonder, you know, I always think about your three people will go, and I go, how long is it going to take?
How many people from us is it going to take?
You know, I'm like maybe five, maybe six, if the world is still around.
Because there will always be racism, some racism.
joe rogan
Not necessarily always, because we could get to a point where we're indistinguishable.
michael yo
Yes, I get you.
But they'll find another thing.
joe rogan
They'll find something else.
michael yo
It'll be classism.
joe rogan
Classism, or it'll be a financial thing or an intelligence thing.
Unless they get to genetic engineering, unless genetic engineering reaches a point where literally there is no disparity in human beings in terms of intelligence, looks, all those things.
But what is that going to be like?
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's always going to be competition.
There's always going to be weirdness, right?
There's always going to be those women that can bounce back from pregnancy quicker.
There's always going to be men like super geniuses where knuckleheads like us are scratching our head going, how the fuck did they even think of that?
I always think that every time I talk to Elon, every time I have that dude in here, I'm like, life isn't fair.
How's it fair?
I'm so much dumber than him.
And I sit down and talk to him.
It's like him talking to a chimp.
It's like he's talking to a toddler.
michael yo
But you can lift more weights.
joe rogan
Well, I'll fuck him up.
If we had to fight to death, I'm the one who's going to walk out of the room like...
michael yo
There you go.
joe rogan
Sorry I had to kill him.
But he's so much smarter than me.
Like, it's not even close.
He's a large man, too.
He's bigger than me, too.
He's...
The world's not fair, right?
And unless we figure out a way to make it fair, which is almost impossible, there's going to be prejudice, there's going to be disparity, there's going to be...
Look, one thing that I talked to him about, Elon, that I thought was really interesting, he's got this new thing that he's working on called Neuralink.
And this Neuralink is going to rapidly increase our ability to access information.
And he literally said, we're going to be able to communicate without talking.
And I had talked about this on the podcast before, that we're going to be able to read each other's minds.
And I've said this, stoned as a joke.
It's not a matter of what we want.
Do you think the chimps were like, one day we're going to have cars that pollute the earth.
The chimps are like, do we want that?
They didn't sit around and think that.
They're like, do I get a gun?
Fuck yeah!
I'm gonna go to the fucking Michigan Capitol!
And with my gun.
You know, I mean, this is just what happens.
Whether or not we want that, this is what happens.
And what he's saying is essentially that one day...
With this Neuralink, you're going to have incredibly boosted powers of cognition.
You're going to be a different thing than you are now.
So my take on it was, okay, well, what would be the difference?
He goes, well, you'd have so much more access to resources.
You would be able to get so much more done.
You'd be so much more productive.
But what I was saying is, but what about the people who can't afford this?
The people that can afford it would get so far ahead that the people, you know, like...
Before cell phones were around, do you remember the movie Wall Street?
michael yo
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Right.
Do you remember Michael Douglas walking around with that stupid brick?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
He was walking around with that big old brick.
And we're like, God, this guy's a baller.
He's on the beach and he's still talking.
Now everybody can do that.
But there was a long period of time, years, where only wealthy people had cell phones all the time.
Now everyone does.
But if Neuralink happens and some wealthy people have this insane access to resources and this insane bandwidth and this ability to communicate without words long before people like you or I get it, if those billionaires get it first, They'll be so far ahead of us.
michael yo
And who says they have to share it?
joe rogan
Right.
And then forget about us.
What about really poor people?
They're going to be fucked.
They're going to be like these goddamn garbage workers.
They're scratching, trying to get more than $10 an hour.
And people are like, fuck you.
We'll use slaves.
Literal slaves.
michael yo
Well, then that goes to your racism thing.
It becomes a classism thing.
joe rogan
Yes, it becomes a classism thing.
michael yo
So there's always going to be something.
You know what I mean?
But...
To me, when hate is involved with it, you know, I think that's where we should draw the line.
But that's more of where I'm going is, like, how many people from us, like, where it's just, you don't just kill random people jogging down the street, you know?
joe rogan
It's hard to imagine that that still goes on today, right?
But then when you hear about your dad and that your dad went to college in a place where he couldn't eat at the same places as white people, you're like, what, on campus?
michael yo
On campus, yeah.
joe rogan
On campus?
In his lifetime.
It's changing, it's getting better.
That doesn't exist today.
michael yo
And this is what I don't like.
And some black people, I don't want to say just black people, but some black people, when they go, ah, you know, my dad hears this, and he always gets mad about it.
He goes, when some black people go, it's no better than it was way back in the day.
When they go, excuse me?
You're 25 years old saying that?
I went through the shit.
It is a lot better.
unidentified
It's a lot better.
michael yo
I'm in my house...
I can go to any restaurant I want.
joe rogan
And an interracial relationship doesn't mean anything anymore.
No, it doesn't.
michael yo
To most people.
joe rogan
Most people don't care at all.
michael yo
And that's the whole thing, is that my dad is like...
Some black people discredit the whole journey because they try to just say, ah, it's just like it was before.
No, no.
joe rogan
Have you ever read any of Steven Pinker's work?
Steven Pinker is a really, really brilliant guy.
And one of the things that he gets criticized for is showing how much less violent the world is today, how much less crime there is, how much less rape, how much less murder.
This is essentially the safest place, the safest time ever in human history.
And people are like, you're discrediting all of the horrors that happen.
He's like, no, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
I'm not dismissing all the terrible things that happen in the world.
But we're saying, even though those things do exist, they exist at a far less frequently than did 100 years ago, 200 years ago, any time throughout human history.
There's a trend, and that trend is that society is getting safer, and people are getting nicer, and people are getting better.
We're growing and learning.
michael yo
Well, I also think now, like I'm from my family, my dad's side, I'm the first person that dealt with, like I would say I deal with racism, but not on the scale my dad dealt with it.
And my dad didn't deal with it on the scale his father, my grandfather dealt with it.
So it's kind of like, and I'm teaching my kids not to be that way.
So I feel like these kids that are young growing up, they're going to be so much more sensitive to Towards other people than we were.
joe rogan
For sure.
michael yo
Because we were still I wouldn't say like in it, in it, but we were in it like in my household.
You know what I mean?
Like my dad, you know, would tell me stories of what happened to him.
And I was like, wow, you went through that.
But I went to a school in Houston, Texas, where I stood out.
My parents were the only mixed couple.
I was the only mixed kid at our school.
I believe because I didn't it wasn't even a thing.
You know, like people go, you look different.
They're like, kids would come up to me and go, what are you?
And I was like, mom, what am I? My dad was like, tell them you're black and Asian.
It's what I was, but nobody on my block were interracial.
It was either black couples or white couples.
And my parents were like...
Like before the trend, you know, and it's a thing where I saw what happened to my mom didn't teach me to be, my mom didn't teach me anything about my Korean heritage, because people made fun of her accent.
So she didn't want me to go through that.
So she tried to Americanize me as fast as possible.
My dad, he's that I don't give a shit guy.
He's like, there's ignorant people.
I don't care.
They can say what they want.
His favorite word is the N-word.
You know what I mean?
So he loves to watch movies.
My dad is so crazy.
He loves to watch movies with the N-word in it.
Because he says, that's real.
That's how it really was.
I think that Leonardo DiCaprio movie with Samuel L. Jackson, The Band of Eight or something like that it was called.
joe rogan
Hateful Eight.
michael yo
Favorite movie.
He goes, because that's how you use the N-word.
They said it that normally.
He loves the realness of that.
He's just crazy.
He's 75 years old.
joe rogan
Well, he's gone through some shit.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a different world.
Different world that he went through.
This is one thing that I... When, you know, people complain about social justice warriors and the ridiculous calling out of everything being racist and everything being sexist.
I agree.
But...
The fact that that is the trend that a lot of these young people are going in, it's too far in a lot of ways, but it'll all balance out.
You've got to have that sort of overwhelming left-leaning ideology and then this overwhelming right-leaning ideology for people to say, what is rational?
What's rational?
But the trend seems to be In a positive way.
It seems to all be going in a positive way.
It seems to be like racism is way less tolerated amongst most of the people that are in the middle.
Most of the people that aren't crazy and aren't overly sensitive.
It seems like things are balancing out.
michael yo
Yeah, the problem is the older people.
joe rogan
We've got to kill them all.
michael yo
That's where coronavirus is.
joe rogan
But not because your mom just shook it off like nothing.
michael yo
And talking shit.
Like, literally, mom, I'm talking, like, you don't understand that conversation, Jeff.
joe rogan
I wish I was there.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
michael yo
Oh, man, she's talking mad.
joe rogan
And your dad didn't get it.
michael yo
No, he didn't get it.
joe rogan
And didn't get an antibody test?
michael yo
Nah, my dad had only been to the doctor once.
My dad went to the doctor.
Three years ago, I was having my son.
Me and my wife were having our son.
And I said, Dad, I want you around.
For my son, you need to go to the doctor and get a checkup.
He goes, every time I go to the doctor, all my friends go there.
If you go to the doctor, you die.
Like, he feels if you see a doctor, you're going to die.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
You know?
michael yo
So he's like, I'm 72 at that time.
I'm fine.
I'm not going to.
But he decides to go because I beg him to.
My mom's beat breast cancer twice, throat cancer, all types of cancers.
My mom goes, calls me after his checkup, after a doctor.
She goes, nothing's wrong with him.
Like she was mad about it.
She was mad about it.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
She was so mad.
She was upset.
michael yo
She was so mad.
joe rogan
How did your mom get throat cancer?
michael yo
Well, she had breast cancer and they, you know, they do the scan and they found like the second time I remember we having this big thing, because she beat it once, I was younger, and I didn't really understand it.
You know, I was like nine, so you don't grasp it.
But at 31, it really hurt me, and she's really into Jesus.
And I go, well, that's messed up.
joe rogan
A lot of Koreans.
Very, very Christian.
michael yo
I mean, she's super religious.
So I said, Mom, at that time, I was a different person.
I was like, your God gave you breast cancer again?
How's that good?
And she goes, well, if I wouldn't have got breast cancer, I wouldn't have known I had throat cancer.
So she found the positive of it.
So that's the only reason she knew she had throat cancer.
joe rogan
But wait a minute, God gave you that too?
What the fuck?
michael yo
She was in a hospital.
I don't want to argue with her.
joe rogan
I get it.
michael yo
But it's a thing where my mom calling me was so funny because she was so mad that my dad didn't have something.
joe rogan
That's so funny!
unidentified
She was so angry.
michael yo
And he's only been to, like, I'm 45 now.
In my 45 years, that's the first time he's gone to the doctor.
joe rogan
And is your dad active?
Does he exercise?
michael yo
He walks two hours every day.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
michael yo
On his treadmill, and he watches all these Netflix shows.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great way to do it, too.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because when you're on a treadmill, you don't even notice what's going on.
You know?
Like, if you're watching something, if you're watching something entertaining, like I was saying, I was watching Tiger King while I was getting an NAD drip.
You know?
You don't even notice?
As long as you're watching something.
I learned that when Ari and Tom and Bert and I did that Sober October thing, you could get so much more cardio done while you're watching a movie.
michael yo
Absolutely.
joe rogan
You don't even notice.
michael yo
So my dad walks at two, you know, the speed two, and he walks for two hours and watches shows.
So about six months ago, my mom calls me, your dad flew off the treadmill.
So he walks in his underwear.
I'm finding all this stuff.
He walks in his He walks in his underwear, and he accidentally wasn't paying attention, and he hit the one before the two.
joe rogan
It went 12. Oh no, that's so fast.
michael yo
So he's on here, and he flew off, and my dad's whole leg was just shredded like scars and everything.
unidentified
Oh my God.
michael yo
Oh my God.
You know me.
I started sending him emojis of people flying off.
But he's back on it.
I was like, Dad, you need to get a stepper or something.
He's like, no, I'm gonna walk.
So he's back on it.
joe rogan
Wow.
michael yo
He's crazy.
Like, my dad is a no shit type of guy.
joe rogan
Sounds like it.
michael yo
And he's that dude, like, when I die, I die.
You know, I don't care where you put me.
joe rogan
You should get your dad on a podcast.
michael yo
Oh, I'm gonna get my parents on mine.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Has your dad been on before?
michael yo
Not yet, but they talk so much shit to each other.
Like, it's amazing.
Like, on my Instagram, there's videos of them.
Like, they're in an argument.
My dad is telling my mom, that's Korean, that Asian people don't know how to drive.
And they're just arguing about it.
joe rogan
On the Instagram?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
On your Instagram?
Do you have that up there?
michael yo
It's somewhere on there.
It's probably deeper.
joe rogan
Tell people to find it.
michael yo
Yeah, it's on there.
But my mom is like, yeah, Asian people can't drive, but Korean people can't drive.
He's like, that's the same damn thing, you know?
So that's, ever since I was growing up, that's their relationship.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
michael yo
It's so fun.
joe rogan
So they've always been talking shit.
michael yo
One-uppers.
They're one-uppers, man.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
It's so funny that she was mad that you didn't have anything wrong with him.
michael yo
Oh, angry.
The way she said it, Joe, the way she said it, she goes, hey, so we got results.
Your dad not sick at all.
He had nothing wrong with him.
I'm like, mom, you should be happy about this.
unidentified
No.
michael yo
They're crazy.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
michael yo
They're crazy.
They're crazy.
But the world's crazy right now, but I just hope it gets better.
I just hope we can get...
I don't want to sound like Rodney King.
joe rogan
It's going to take some time.
It's going to take longer than everybody thinks.
I think everybody thinks it's going to all clean up real quick, and I don't think so.
I think we're in this for a couple years.
michael yo
The corona?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I think.
michael yo
Yeah, 100%.
But my thing about opening up the country is...
It's not about you opening up the country.
I just don't feel in a lot of places people are comfortable even going out.
Like, I wouldn't go to a restaurant in LA right now.
joe rogan
I would.
michael yo
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think people are going to get used to it.
I think people need to, for sure, need to take care of their immune system.
michael yo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very important.
And people need to educate themselves and need to understand the value of your health.
Because for the longest time, when we didn't have something like this, there's a lot of people that are barely hanging on health-wise.
Any little thing can set them off.
michael yo
But when I say go to a restaurant, I've got to go with a five-month-old and a three-year-old son.
That's a different animal.
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
I'm not talking about me.
michael yo
I'm talking about the whole family.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No way would I take a five-month-old.
I think your real concern, for sure, is people that have issues.
That's the real concern.
And the real concern is coming home, like, you know, your mom shook it off, but some moms not, you know?
Some older folks are not going to.
We've got to do our best to shield them and hopefully remdesivir, how do you say that shit?
michael yo
Yeah, they're testing that right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, apparently that is really helping.
People are recovering 31% faster.
michael yo
But it's not stopping you from dying.
If you're going to recover, it recovers you.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true.
michael yo
No, it's true.
joe rogan
What do you mean it's not stopping you from dying?
michael yo
It's basically helping people that would recover anyway.
Like, if you took 14 days of recovery, it changes it to 11. But what if they get it to you early before the virus has a chance to expand?
They're saying it's not stopping death.
It's just helping the people that would recover faster, which is great, because they can get back out.
That's the last I heard, but like I said, things change all the time.
joe rogan
What you said about...
What is this, Jay?
michael yo
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
I can't get it for you to see now.
joe rogan
Okay.
We'll end with this because we're three hours in.
I'm glad you're okay, brother.
michael yo
Thank you.
joe rogan
I'm glad to be alive.
I'm glad we got a chance to do this podcast and let people know.
And now we're going to show people how crazy your parents are.
michael yo
You don't have to play the whole thing.
unidentified
I was in a taxi.
That's careful.
They are dry.
I've been in a taxi.
joe rogan
Oh, don't tell me.
unidentified
I don't even know.
I didn't know.
How can you know?
I was there.
I was there, too.
michael yo
I was there.
I was in a taxi.
unidentified
I was in a taxi.
In Korea we was driving down in town.
michael yo
This taxi hit this other guy.
unidentified
In the other car and they kept going.
They didn't even stop.
Oh, don't tell me, boy.
joe rogan
That's all he needs to say.
That's such a generalization.
One taxi driver hit someone who didn't stop.
unidentified
Stop.
joe rogan
Don't tell me.
michael yo
Don't tell me.
joe rogan
Michael Yeo, thank you, brother.
michael yo
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
Tell people how to find you on Instagram, on Twitter.
michael yo
Instagram, at Michael Yeo.
Everything at Michael Yeo.
joe rogan
Michael Yeo.
And the podcast.
michael yo
Podcast Michael Yeo Show on iTunes.
So check it out.
joe rogan
All right.
Thanks, brother.
Appreciate you, man.
Bye, everybody.
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