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May 13, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1473 - Tom Papa
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joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
So, what were you just saying, Jamie?
jamie vernon
We have LA's stay-at-home order will likely remain in place for the next three months unless there is a, quote, dramatic change to the virus and tools at hand, officials say.
joe rogan
How are people supposed to feed themselves?
Like, really?
Realistically?
How do they expect this to work?
tom papa
You go out to work, and then you skitter back home.
joe rogan
That's not what they're saying.
That's not what stay at home means.
Stay at home means you don't go to work.
tom papa
Yeah, but at the same time, they're opening up businesses.
joe rogan
They're opening up very few businesses, and you have to get curbside for retail.
tom papa
I heard our governor in the state of California say that 70% of businesses are open now.
joe rogan
Well, if that's the case, even if that was the case, let's say 30% of people are out of work.
That's catastrophic.
tom papa
Yeah, it's a lot.
joe rogan
And I don't think it's true.
I don't think 70% of the places are open.
tom papa
That's what he said, 70% of businesses.
joe rogan
Even if they're open, they're not open at 100% capacity.
tom papa
Or they're probably working from home, like offices.
He's probably counting offices.
And those people are still working and getting paid, but they're doing it from home.
unidentified
So this is just L.A.? LA County.
joe rogan
So that means like Comedy Store has no chance.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I believe it's for the county.
Yeah, so it's the biggest county.
joe rogan
This is the same fuck-up who thought it would be a good idea to have people rat on people for money.
jamie vernon
Technically, this was not coming from the mayor.
This is coming from a health...
someone in the health department talking at a supervisor meeting or something.
tom papa
So it was a suggestion.
It wasn't a...
jamie vernon
Not an official order, but it's coming, yeah.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So it's not an official order.
tom papa
Not an official order, but LA is the densest county in America.
How about that?
joe rogan
Is it really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
More than New York?
tom papa
Yeah.
As a county.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
That seems odd, doesn't it?
tom papa
It does seem odd.
joe rogan
Seems like a lot of people.
New York City's denser.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
New York City's...
The thing about New York City that makes it great is that everybody sort of mingles together.
Everybody gets on the subway together.
Everybody walks together on the streets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's also the reason why everybody's getting sick together.
tom papa
Yeah, but I saw an interesting thing, that the highest, this guy wrote an editorial about the reasons for New York, and he lives in New York, and he said Staten Island had the highest number.
This was written before, I think Brooklyn has now edged it, but at the time, that Staten Island was the highest and it was the least densely populated, and Manhattan, which is the most densely populated, had the fewer number of cases.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Well, I wonder if that is similar to what they're finding with people that work together, or in prisons in particular.
They're finding that there was this one prison they did a study on, 98% of the people were asymptomatic.
tom papa
Really?
Yeah.
98%?
joe rogan
Yeah, 98%.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
tom papa
That's weird.
joe rogan
So I was bringing it up with a friend of mine, and I was like, do you think this is because my friend Kyle Kalinske, and he was like, I think it's because their immune systems are strong, because they're just interacting with each other constantly.
And I was like, oh, that kind of makes sense, because I was thinking, if you're in prison, you're probably stressed out, and you're getting bad food.
tom papa
Yeah, and horrible sleep.
joe rogan
And yet your immune system's strong.
tom papa
Right.
Because you're just being bombarded all the time?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're being bombarded all the time by stinky, dirty people.
tom papa
Where if you live in an isolated, fancy place with purified air and all this...
joe rogan
You're in a wonderful community in Brentwood.
You don't see your neighbors ever.
You don't go anywhere.
tom papa
You're very fragile.
joe rogan
Yeah, you go to the store, you come home, and now our immune systems are, I would imagine, this is just pure speculation, but I would imagine that your immune system is like all the other systems of your body, that when it gets tested, it gets stronger, right?
tom papa
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
So your immune system right now is being put into a state of atrophy, because it's not being exposed to anything new.
tom papa
It's in a lounge chair.
joe rogan
It's just chilling.
tom papa
It's got sunglasses on.
Hasn't worked in years.
joe rogan
It's got soft legs that cramp up when it goes upstairs.
tom papa
And all of a sudden, it gets called to go to work, and it's just like, dude, what?
joe rogan
Wouldn't you imagine that's the case?
tom papa
It seems like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can imagine we're setting ourselves up to get really sick if something comes down the pipe.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that was what was very strange in the beginning of all this, when people were saying that people just spout out, you can't do anything for your immune system.
You can't make it stronger.
joe rogan
That's nonsense.
tom papa
And it was like...
joe rogan
Who was saying that?
tom papa
Just online.
I did a thing with people spouting off.
joe rogan
It's crazy because online, it's written.
And when you're seeing things written, you're like, wow, this must make sense.
tom papa
It's written.
joe rogan
It's got 150,000 likes.
This has got to be real.
tom papa
It's just Bob said it.
It's just a matter of a guy walking down the street.
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
I don't understand how we could take three more months off.
I really don't.
tom papa
Well, it depends what they mean.
When you hear the governor talk, it's...
He's moving it along and he's in these phases and pushing it through.
I don't think it's going to be, as I'm stammering at the realization of it, I don't think it's going to be like what it was in April, in May.
joe rogan
Why not?
tom papa
In July.
Because I... Do you want to go outside?
joe rogan
I think so, too.
L.A. County beaches reopen May 13th.
tom papa
Yes, but you can't hang out on your lounge.
You can't hang out on your towel.
You've got to go in.
joe rogan
Make that larger, please.
Go back to where it was.
tom papa
You can do water sports.
joe rogan
No lying or sitting on the sand.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Canopies, coolers, or picnicking.
tom papa
Right.
You can be active.
You can go swim.
joe rogan
Parking lots are closed.
So where do they expect you to park?
tom papa
They don't want you to go.
joe rogan
Individual family activities and exercise only.
tom papa
Yeah, so you can go down, you can swim, you can ride the waves, and then get out of the ocean and get back in your car.
joe rogan
Look at this, no picnicking.
You can't picnic.
jamie vernon
No biking.
tom papa
No biking.
joe rogan
Now why can't you bike?
tom papa
I have to say...
joe rogan
No volleyball?
tom papa
You see that round circle with the slash through it with the giant canopies?
Those should be banned all year.
Have you ever been next to one of those on the beach?
joe rogan
Oh, those are disgusting.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Why are you allowed to set up camp?
tom papa
Building a house.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're basically saying this is my area of the sand.
Yeah.
tom papa
Blocking everyone's view.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can get a fucking towel.
That's what you can get.
You get a towel and that's it.
That's how it's always been.
tom papa
I know.
These people come down there, they've got...
Coolers and tables higher than this.
joe rogan
You see they have fences now?
People are setting up beach fences?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're selling beach fences.
You set it up, you stick it in the sand, and you mark off your area.
tom papa
Oh my god.
unidentified
Social distancing!
joe rogan
We're creating dorks.
tom papa
This is all before social distancing.
These are just people making camps there and bringing 25 people.
Ugh, I hate it.
joe rogan
So reopens tomorrow is what they're saying.
tom papa
Yeah, baby.
joe rogan
Well, that's good.
That's a start.
I think we need to move in the other direction.
I think we need to quarantine people that are at risk.
That's what I think, really.
And then let people make their own choices.
The idea that these hospitals are going to be overwhelmed is not true.
It's not correct.
Luckily, we're very fortunate.
And the idea that we're going to run out of ventilators, that's not true either.
Right.
And then also, that doctor that worked with Michael Yeo was telling you this before we started.
The doctor said that if he put him on a ventilator, he would die.
Because his body would stop trying to breathe, and it would just sort of give up.
And this is what Michael Yeo's doctor told him, and he survived.
And then we're finding out that a lot of people they put on ventilators don't make it.
And I wonder if what he's saying applies to those people.
tom papa
Right.
Was he a special case of why they didn't want him on the ventilator?
joe rogan
No, his doctor's just a wise guy.
He's just smart and just figured it out.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, look...
tom papa
I mean, it's a weird thing to think, you know, what if we hadn't done all of these measures?
Would the hospitals have...
I mean, because the hospitals for a beat were...
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Depends on where you are.
tom papa
Yeah, like if you weren't in Queens, it was insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, this place is where it's horrible.
tom papa
Yeah.
So like if we hadn't done these things, what would have the result have been?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
You know, I mean, would we have achieved herd immunity?
Or would we have achieved it quicker?
Because herd immunity is like 60% of the people have been infected and then the virus sort of dies off.
tom papa
Right.
You know, when you look at the Spanish flu, when you look at the history of that, and the places that did something, Fared much better than the places that didn't.
The end result was, you know, all these people died.
It goes through the same amount of time, but just you have a lot more fatalities, you know?
And it's always been this kind of calculation, like, you know, people are doing the math.
I feel like people are doing the math and they're saying, okay, X amount will die, but we've got to get back to work and get these people to work.
And they're trying to figure out that equation.
Is the suffering of the people that are probably going to survive even if they get it?
Is that suffering going to be greater than the suffering for families who lose people, right?
So that's that balancing act.
And you can see where people are coming out on it.
Certain places are like, no, it's just time to go.
And yeah, there'll be casualties, but we'll deal.
And other people are saying, save lives at all costs.
joe rogan
Well, if we say save lives at all costs, we should all stop driving.
tom papa
I don't want to do that, too.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
tom papa
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
tom papa
There's things that are risk.
joe rogan
This is one of those things that's a uniquely human problem because there's no real answer for it.
Because most human problems are like, whoa, it's...
You know what I mean?
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
No, right.
You don't...
You kind of...
We're all isolated on this one thing.
And then you stop thinking, well, we live at risk all day long.
joe rogan
Well, not only do we live at risk all day long, but we make decisions that could put ourselves at risk and we're allowed to make those decisions.
But with this, you're not allowed to make those decisions.
And the idea is, well, because you put others at risk.
Okay.
But who and why and when do we decide?
How long can we go on with this?
If we don't have any new tools in July, what is going to be the difference between July and now?
tom papa
Well, that's what Fauci is saying about the fall.
He's saying that there's going to be a resurgence of it in the fall.
You're going to have more because it's the flu season.
And you need to be prepared with testing and stuff to deal with this in the right way or else you're back to what we were dealing with in April and May.
And that you've got to learn from it and be prepared.
It's the testing, the testing, the testing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just seems Elon just opened up his factory in California, the Tesla factory, and said, come arrest me.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Basically saying what you're doing is a violation of civil liberties.
You're telling people that they're not allowed to go to work and that this has become a fascist state.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
See how that goes.
tom papa
Yeah, I kind of feel like they know that they'll save lives this way.
But I mean, look, if you're the governor, right?
joe rogan
What do you do?
tom papa
What do you do?
I mean, you want people to be safe, but you also are looking at the books every day and realizing that your state is in need of a trillion dollars to survive.
joe rogan
I mean, if that's it.
It might be a lot more than that.
That's just based on what we know is active and the businesses that are open right now.
A friend of mine was saying, how many people are unemployed right now and they don't even know it?
Their business is just never going to make it.
And then also there's going to be less people with money, so there's going to be less spending, so these economies are going to need some sort of a resurgence.
tom papa
So if you're the governor, you're not out there just to control people and take away their civil liberties because you're screwing yourself on the other end with people being broke and the economy falling apart.
So you're in this spot.
I do not envy it.
joe rogan
It's also when you start telling people what to do, it's very difficult to stop.
So once you have the ability to tell people what to do, it's very difficult to just turn that off and go, go ahead, go back to normal, do whatever you want to do now.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
Which is what we used to do just four months ago, right?
Do whatever you want to do.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But now all of a sudden, do you see that goofy fucking list that they put out of all the stuff you can and can't do?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
It's even goofier than the list that we saw about the beaches.
It's fucking preposterous.
It's a really long list that California put out of things you're allowed to do outside.
You can meditate.
You can do soft martial arts.
You can watch the sunrise or the sunset.
unidentified
I mean, it's...
joe rogan
It's so asinine.
You're getting people, in this case, you're getting people that have no business telling people what to do.
And all of a sudden they've been assigned this ability to tell people what they're allowed to do and not to do.
And so they make this gigantic stupid fucking list.
And it's really offensive.
tom papa
It is a weird thing.
joe rogan
It's fucking dumb.
Dan Crenshaw put something up on his Instagram, see if you can find it, where he shows what you can and can't do in this one particular list and how preposterous it is.
There's a bunch of lists that different states are putting up and different states have different approaches.
One thing that I do like about the fact that we are the United States of America is that different states do have different approaches and we get to watch how that experiment plays out.
tom papa
It is an experiment, isn't it?
I'm just like, so how's Georgia?
Every day I sit down and I'm like, what's going on down there?
joe rogan
Permitted.
Walking, running, exercising, surfing, fishing, no chairs.
Prohibited.
Sunbathing, sitting in chairs.
Group sports, groups of people, swimming.
And here's what he says, for your daily dose of things that are stupid, here you go.
How many geniuses sat around and deliberated over these particulars?
Okay, they can fish, but we don't want them getting any sun while they fish, and no chairs, because we are saving lives!
High fives all around.
He's so right.
I guess this is New Jersey.
OCNJ, that's New Jersey, right?
tom papa
Yeah, Ocean County, New Jersey.
joe rogan
Fuck off.
Fuck off with that group.
tom papa
So what do you think?
At this point, let's just let it rip?
joe rogan
I don't think it'll let it rip.
I think education is imperative.
I think, first of all...
There has to be some education on how to strengthen your immune system.
There are experts that understand.
I mean, I'm having Dr. Rhonda Patrick on tomorrow to talk about this.
I think it's very important to talk about supplementation, to talk about hermetic effects of heat shock proteins, cold shock proteins, what we can do as far as mitigating the stresses that you get from not having enough sleep, meditation, all sorts of different things that we need to teach people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
How to strengthen your immune system.
tom papa
Okay.
joe rogan
How to keep your body healthy.
tom papa
I'm with you 100%.
I'm doing all that stuff, learning about it as I go through life and I meditate, I take vitamins, I exercise, all that.
joe rogan
Eat a lot of bread.
tom papa
Eat a lot of bread.
Oh, this bread is so much better.
joe rogan
I bet it's good.
Better than the last one?
tom papa
It might be the best ones I've ever made.
joe rogan
How is it possible?
tom papa
I swear to God.
joe rogan
The last one was perfection.
tom papa
I'm home.
I just keep getting better.
unidentified
How do you get better at bread?
tom papa
You get better.
There's so many things that go into it every day.
joe rogan
I don't understand how you get better at bread.
tom papa
I'm telling you.
Wait till you see it.
joe rogan
I'm glad you're around, man.
I'm eating bread right now.
You're agreeing, but.
tom papa
All that stuff is great, but that list you just said about heat proteins that's in it, that is so much more complicated than no chairs at the beach, dummy.
joe rogan
Yes, it is.
tom papa
Honestly, when you talk to people just out there shopping, doing stuff, going to the beach, the guy who's setting up his tent with his poles and he's got his thing, that guy's not going to know shit about...
joe rogan
I got my beach fence.
Don't spit in my area.
tom papa
He's not going to know anything about his immune system or any of the protein.
joe rogan
But don't...
tom papa
You can, with the herd...
You've got to tell them, no dummy, fish no chair.
joe rogan
Why can't you fucking sit down and fish?
tom papa
I mean...
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
Like, when you cast out to the surf and you have bait, you sit down.
You put your fucking pole in a pole holder so it's standing there, and you sit back and you watch your line.
tom papa
Because there's going to be some jackass who's going to...
They're going to come up and say, Sir, they said no chairs.
I got my pole.
I'm fishing.
We're all fishing, right, honey?
We all got a pole.
joe rogan
Fishing, but no chairs.
Chairs are dangerous.
unidentified
If you stay put, it could come get you.
joe rogan
It's preposterous.
tom papa
It is preposterous.
But the other part of the United States of America, and then we all get to make our own rules and see this experiment, is like...
The information flow is so confusing.
It's been so...
I mean, from the first time we heard about it in January, there's this thing.
I have been looking at my phone every day going, is that true?
Is this right?
Is this true?
unidentified
Wait.
tom papa
I read it on Twitter.
No masks.
Now a mask.
Now not a mask.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Even Fauci.
I posted something from 60 Minutes yesterday.
tom papa
I read that.
I saw that.
joe rogan
Fauci was saying you don't need to wear a mask.
This was like two months ago.
tom papa
That was early, right?
That was early.
joe rogan
March is not that early, man.
tom papa
I know, but that's when they were saying no masks because they didn't have masks.
unidentified
Is that why?
tom papa
I think so.
joe rogan
Well, maybe.
But he was saying specifically you don't need a mask.
But look, there's people out there wearing masks while they're driving in their cars.
That's why I put it up.
But I see these fucking dorks.
I'm like, come on, man.
Who's in your car blowing germs in your face?
tom papa
I know, by yourself.
joe rogan
And by the way, those things are not going to keep the air from coming in your mouth.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
And it's in the air.
If it's in the air, it's going to get in your mouth.
It's going to keep you from spitting it out, maybe, and getting it on somebody.
Maybe it'll stem the flow a little bit.
And yeah, if you're out in public, particularly if you're going around a lot of people and you think you might have something, wear a mask.
tom papa
I'm in the supermarket wearing my mask, wearing this.
Just pull this up on my thing.
joe rogan
You're a bandit.
tom papa
I go with the bandit.
joe rogan
All of a sudden, everyone's a bandit.
tom papa
Everyone's a bandit.
Everyone's robbing a bank.
I can't wait for the first time someone robs something and they've all got their mask on.
joe rogan
I'm sure it's already happened.
tom papa
Absolutely.
I'm in there with this stupid ass mask.
It's hot.
It fogs up my glasses.
I'm itchy.
My eyes are running.
I'm like, I'm trying not to touch my face with all this stuff.
This is not helping me.
joe rogan
No.
Yeah.
Well, that was the thing Fauci said in the video that when you wear a mask, people start messing with their face.
tom papa
Yes!
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Now I'm rubbing my eyeballs.
joe rogan
I think we need to concentrate on people getting their immune system stronger.
I think the government has the time to put up these fucking stupid lists of not, don't use a chair, put up a list of how important it is to take vitamin C, supplement your diet with vitamin C, supplement your diet with vitamin D. Elderberry.
Yeah, take zinc.
Take all sorts of things that have proven to be very good for your immune system.
tom papa
I know.
Why wouldn't you do it?
Why wouldn't you do it?
joe rogan
Anger.
Anger.
Frustration.
unidentified
Instead, you could just put it off till July!
And then it's gonna magically be better!
joe rogan
It's not gonna be better in July.
It's still gonna exist.
The only thing that's going to be different is going to be hot as fuck out.
Maybe that's better.
Maybe the virus can't survive when it's hot as fuck out and when it untouched things.
tom papa
It'll go down, but then it's going to get cold.
And that's what happened in 1918, right?
1919. The fall spike was much worse than the spring spike.
joe rogan
Is that what they said?
tom papa
Yeah, it came back and the numbers were much higher.
And this is what I keep trying to figure out.
I'm reading all about the history of that, and it was a two-year thing before it just went through the population and eventually died out.
And I keep thinking, are we going to be different?
Are we more advanced?
Are we going to be able to change that story in modern day?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, it's a different disease.
It's a very different disease.
This is not the Spanish flu.
The Spanish flu was way worse.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It was way worse.
tom papa
It was killing everybody.
joe rogan
Particularly, it attacked young people and healthy people very quickly.
You want to kill Cliff?
Have some CBD. Very good for you.
Doesn't even get you high.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
Very good.
It's a mango flavor.
It's delicious.
Yeah, this is a different disease, and it's also a disease where a significant number of people, in fact, more people than not, are asymptomatic.
It's good, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
25 milligrams of CBD. I'm tasting childhood.
joe rogan
That's a thing of CBD. Are you taking CBD at all?
tom papa
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
You need to.
Do I? Yeah, it's so good for inflammation, man.
Just for everything.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
It alleviates anxiety.
A lot of anxiety comes from like, ah, like your body's got inflammation.
For whatever reason, CBD seems to alleviate anxiety in a significant amount of people.
tom papa
With THC or without?
joe rogan
Without.
You don't need it.
You don't need THC. I like with.
I like both.
tom papa
The benefits will be the same with or without.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
It's great stuff.
tom papa
That's really good.
It's tasty.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a small amount of CBD. That's 25 milligrams.
But I'm addicted to these things.
I drink them all the time.
tom papa
Alright, I'm on it.
joe rogan
I also take CBD. I use...
tom papa
I drop.
I had those for a while.
joe rogan
CBD, MD. I get that stuff.
And I put the tincture.
tom papa
Yeah.
They help me sleep.
joe rogan
Oh, it's great.
It's really good for your body, too.
It's just great for people with arthritis and stiff joints and things along those lines, you know?
So that's what I wanted.
That's what I want to get people into.
tom papa
Get people healthier.
joe rogan
Recognizing, like, hey, here's a time where you can understand that it's important to have a healthy body, and this is why.
Because, you know, you look at who this is hitting, the people that are dying.
We went over it yesterday.
Significant increase in likelihood of death when you're older.
tom papa
Older or obese or diabetic?
joe rogan
Obese is huge.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
In New York, that's the number one thing.
tom papa
Oh, is it really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were saying the number one thing that led to mortality.
tom papa
Wow.
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, you see, like, I know.
joe rogan
Imagine being fat as fuck and you're like, God damn, I wish I had a little warning.
I'd like to get healthy, but it's all of a sudden.
tom papa
I know.
Out of nowhere?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out of nowhere I can kill you.
Before, it just was tough going upstairs.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
I just had to buy bigger pants.
I just felt shitty about myself when I looked in the mirror.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just avoided mirrors.
tom papa
Now my life is being threatened.
joe rogan
Yeah, literally.
tom papa
Yeah, literally.
joe rogan
People are dying.
tom papa
I know.
You gotta be strong.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's terrible for the people that lost people.
It's terrible for people who die.
I'm with you on all this stuff, but I just do not think this is the way to handle it.
I think quarantining the people that are at risk is a far better option, far smarter option.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, better testing.
tom papa
If you have older people in your family, they stay in their place.
You don't go see them until we get, you know, the vaccine or get through it.
I mean, there aren't numbers.
I mean, if we're just going by the science, you're going by the hard numbers.
The majority of the workforce could probably go out and work.
joe rogan
The majority.
The vast majority, yeah.
And there should be some sort of a waiver for people who can't or don't want to or have anxiety about it.
Yeah, okay.
But I think most people want to go back to work.
tom papa
I know.
I got an offer to go do shows in a club in a couple weeks.
joe rogan
Addison Improv's opened back up.
Apparently they're opening back up this weekend.
Texas doesn't give a fuck.
I love it.
tom papa
Would you perform?
Would you go to a club?
joe rogan
I would book it.
Yeah.
tom papa
I want to do it.
joe rogan
I don't know what I'm going to do, man.
I mean, if July is legit, if that's really when we go back, that's too many months.
tom papa
That's a lot of months.
joe rogan
Too many months to not do stand-up.
tom papa
I know.
I start feeling a little weird.
joe rogan
Well, also, your stand-up's gonna suck, okay?
We're talking about how your cardiovascular system goes down.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about your stand-up system?
tom papa
I know.
We'll get that back quick, though.
joe rogan
We will.
Yeah, if you get there on Wednesday, by Friday, you'll have your system back.
tom papa
Yeah, you'll be good.
You'll be good to go.
joe rogan
Your voice will be sore.
My God, my throat is out of breath.
tom papa
You won't be thinking right.
unidentified
Yeah, your throat will be out of shape.
tom papa
It's really true.
joe rogan
It is true.
tom papa
I know.
I know.
But it looks like if you want, there's going to be clubs, but you'll have to fly to them.
You've got to go to Texas.
joe rogan
You've got to go to Addison.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I heard there's some other clubs around the country that are going to start opening up as well.
tom papa
How was the thing on the weekend?
Your thing.
joe rogan
Oh, the UFC? Yeah.
It was interesting.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Very weird.
tom papa
Was it weird?
joe rogan
Very weird.
Huge arena, no one in it.
tom papa
No one in it.
joe rogan
No one in it.
15,000 seat arena, maybe 10 people in the audience.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it was all people that worked for the UFC. Wow.
Yeah, like us, the three commentators, sound people, a few other folks.
tom papa
Like rehearsal.
Judges.
joe rogan
I guess more than 10 people because there was the judges and then the doctors and state officials, medical officials and athletic commission people.
tom papa
Okay.
And then they just come out and fight and you just hear them breathing and stuff?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Well, first of all, the main event was spectacular.
It was an incredible fight.
And it was a fucking war.
But it was a war where, unlike any other war, there's no crowd.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're hearing everything.
You're hearing every smack of the flesh, every deep breath.
You hear them breathing in the nostrils with broken noses.
You can hear the fluid as they're breathing in because their nose is broken and blood's pouring out of it.
tom papa
It was crazy.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
tom papa
Jeez, they should just play music over it or something.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
Play crowd music.
joe rogan
No.
No, that was part of the thing.
tom papa
Was it cool?
Was it cool?
That sounds kind of like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I didn't hate it.
I felt very fortunate.
Very fortunate to be there, one of the few people to be there live while this is going on.
That's how I felt.
tom papa
Yeah, the whole world.
joe rogan
Yeah, while it was happening, I was like, wow, I'm so lucky I get to be here.
That's how I felt.
Even if I have to fly to fucking Florida to do it.
It was odd.
It was all odd.
tom papa
That is weird.
What was it like going through, getting off the plane, taking the car to the thing?
joe rogan
It was all weird.
The driver's got a mouth covering on.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He was pretty cool about it.
I went to a restaurant.
tom papa
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I ate at a Morton Steakhouse.
tom papa
All open?
joe rogan
Yep.
Sat down, no mask.
The waiter had a mask on.
They made him wear masks.
Me and Eddie Bravo sat down, had steak, had a glass of wine.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
Geez.
People at the next tables?
joe rogan
There was one or two other couples.
There was an older couple.
Not that we were a couple.
unidentified
Excuse me.
joe rogan
There was one older couple and one younger couple.
And then there was maybe a couple other people at the bar.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
So it was fairly empty.
But also it was like 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
tom papa
Oh, okay.
Right.
Are they limiting how many people can come in?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think in a lot of places.
My friend Nick, he owns Gaetano's Restaurant in Vegas, and he showed me a diagram of what they're allowed to do.
They used a ruler to measure out the floor.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they put six feet in between tables.
And so, kind of like every other table, they put a black tablecloth over it, so you couldn't use that table.
So people were separated.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But I mean, how much of this is science?
I mean, how much of this is nonsense?
tom papa
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
Nobody knows!
I feel like every conversation we have about all of it, it always ends up with, who knows?
joe rogan
Right, because if you've got all these tables blocked off, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've got a black tablecloth on, you can't use that.
What if someone's coughing over there?
You cool eating your spaghetti while this guy's coughing 12 feet away from you?
tom papa
Who knows what's going on in the kitchen?
Who knows what the busboy putting their utensils out?
joe rogan
Right, who knows?
tom papa
All of it.
Doing our thing and being cautious with takeout.
Maybe we're playing the odds.
Maybe the odds are more in our favor if we can kind of cut down on some of the dumb stuff.
joe rogan
Or maybe our immune system is going to turn into a pile of goo.
A mushy, bitch-ass immune system that can't handle anything.
tom papa
Oh, man.
I don't know, man.
I really thought I had it.
I was so upset that I didn't.
joe rogan
I know.
Everybody thought that.
I think I had a sniffle back in January.
tom papa
Yeah, I know it.
I was in Seattle.
I was on the airplane.
I came home.
unidentified
I felt like shit.
joe rogan
Guarantee you I'm immune.
tom papa
I gotta be immune.
joe rogan
Everybody said that.
Tim Dillon was fucking convinced.
Dude, I was so sick.
I was sicker than I've ever been in December telling you I got it.
Nothing.
tom papa
And then I told my wife, and she's like, none of those tests are working anyway.
joe rogan
That's not true.
tom papa
It's like, you gotta believe in the testing at a certain point.
joe rogan
I've been swabbed.
tom papa
I saw you get the swabbed.
That did not look fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got it then.
tom papa
You were rocked.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just tickles.
It's like, ugh.
tom papa
You were messed up for like 15 minutes.
You were kind of like, oof.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
You looked weird.
joe rogan
No.
You're exaggerating.
Yes, you are.
tom papa
You were playing pool.
You were like, hmm, this felt weird.
joe rogan
No, I told you it irritates you for 15 minutes, but it's not that bad.
I wasn't acting weird.
tom papa
If it wasn't for the pandemic, I would have had to hold you as you cried.
joe rogan
I was weeping in the inside.
That makes you feel better.
I had it done again on Sunday, though, and it was way easier.
I think my right nostril is less sensitive than my less nostril, if that makes any sense.
tom papa
Well, she said as she was going in, I'm basically touching your brain.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But they did it again on my right nostril on Sunday, and it was nothing.
tom papa
Interesting.
joe rogan
It's weird.
I really think I have a sensitive nostril.
tom papa
Oh, that's weird.
joe rogan
Well, it's been broken.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
This fucking nose is useless.
tom papa
How many times?
joe rogan
Oh, who knows?
Broke it first when I was five.
Fell down to fly stairs when I was five.
tom papa
Ow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
I've had broken noses ever since then.
Like, no bullshit.
It's crazy.
Like, seriously.
tom papa
I've never broken my nose.
unidentified
Ever?
tom papa
Not once.
joe rogan
We can fix that.
Jamie can headbutt you.
We could film and make a great TikTok video.
tom papa
That'd be great.
We'll go viral.
joe rogan
Have you broken anything?
tom papa
The only thing I broke was I broke a collarbone, a rib once when I was surfing and learning to surf and it went right into my gut.
And then I broke the top of my foot, one of the bones on the top of my foot.
joe rogan
Those are weird, right?
Because you can't do shit about them.
tom papa
Can't do anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, I broke that before too.
tom papa
Except stop you from playing.
joe rogan
You just walk fucked up for a month and a half.
tom papa
It's true.
joe rogan
Did you break your collarbone or just your rib?
tom papa
Just a rib.
unidentified
Oh.
tom papa
Just a rib.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know a dude who had a fake collarbone.
He had a metal plate because his collarbone was so shattered in a motorcycle accident that they had to replace it.
So he had like a steel plate in place of his collarbone.
tom papa
That's weird.
joe rogan
He said it hurt like hell when it got cold out.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's a metal piece in your fucking shoulder.
tom papa
That's not good.
joe rogan
Collarbone's a weird one.
tom papa
It is a strange one.
joe rogan
You know what's weird?
I've never seen anybody break it in all the years I've seen fights.
tom papa
Wow, that's interesting because it's pretty delicate.
joe rogan
I would think so.
I remember someone saying that, like, if I was ever in a fight, I'd just punch someone in the collarbone.
I'm like, mm.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to work.
tom papa
I love how everybody walks around just with their one move in their head.
joe rogan
And when that goes south, the look of panic in their face when it doesn't work.
jamie vernon
Right.
tom papa
I'll just grab them by the balls and pull.
joe rogan
Dude, I woke up this morning and I spent the first hour of my day watching Russian slap fighting videos.
tom papa
Of course you did.
joe rogan
It might be the dumbest thing that's going on today.
tom papa
Slap fighting?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what it is?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
Oh, is that when the two guys, it looks like they're going to arm wrestle?
joe rogan
They just stand in front of each other and they let each other slap each other in the face.
And first of all, whoever goes first has such a monster advantage.
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Because they KO each other all the time.
These huge guys.
And they swing from the hip and the other guy doesn't even move.
And they open palm strike each other in the face.
I spent an hour today.
tom papa
Is this new?
Or was this like an old Russian tradition?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know how long it's been around for.
I think the first time I watched it was like about a year or two ago, maybe.
I don't remember.
But it was this morning.
It was the fucking...
tom papa
To slap you right in the head.
joe rogan
It was the thing du jour.
tom papa
It's funny.
What makes you, when you wake up, think, you know, I'm going to look up...
Like when you first pick up your device.
joe rogan
Because I remember there was this one video of a bunch of people standing around.
And this guy slapped this guy and KO'd him.
And all the people that were standing around were like, wah!
And they thought it was cool.
I was like, that might be the only time where people think it's cool to be right next to someone who got violent brain trauma.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I was trying to find that video because it was such a strange video.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because there was, I don't remember if there was a table or not.
That's weird.
All the people were standing around and they were laughing and smiling while this guy went unconscious.
And I was like, that's so odd.
Do they not know that this is really bad?
Did some terrible thing just happen to this guy?
They think it's funny and they're laughing.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
No idea.
joe rogan
Well, it's almost like it's not real because it's slapping, because it's not a punch.
Like, if he kicked him in the head, and the same thing happened, he goes unconscious and falls back, people are like, oh my god, oh my god, they'd be freaked out.
But instead, they slap each other, and everyone's like, ha ha!
tom papa
Ha ha!
joe rogan
Like, what the fuck is that?
tom papa
No sitting on the beach.
joe rogan
Ah!
tom papa
Those are the people you're talking to.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was one of those weird things.
I'm like, how did this become okay?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where you just...
Full brain trauma.
I mean, you can see their head snap.
You see their head wiggle and the brain sloshing around inside their noggin.
tom papa
Yeah.
Well, it's like in any fight, right?
If you're watching a fight.
joe rogan
What is this one here, Jamie?
Oh, here goes one.
jamie vernon
This guy's 6'7 on the left.
He's a former MMA fighter from Brazil, it says.
tom papa
Oh my god.
This is all Russia?
joe rogan
They put powder in their hands, too.
Oh my goodness.
tom papa
He didn't even move.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh my goodness.
tom papa
Oof.
joe rogan
They put a lot of fucking force into that too.
tom papa
He is a rock.
Look at the size of his neck though.
joe rogan
This guy's, why do they powder up their hands?
tom papa
He has no neck.
joe rogan
To show the mark?
tom papa
Take the sweat off?
joe rogan
Look at this, here we go.
jamie vernon
They're mic'd up too.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, he took it.
Why do they...
I don't understand why they're looking at the powder.
tom papa
I don't understand why they're doing it.
joe rogan
He's right.
He slid his ear down.
Hold on a second.
Back that up.
tom papa
There's rules.
joe rogan
Hold on.
He is right.
tom papa
He slid his ear down.
joe rogan
He slid his ear down.
tom papa
It was a foul.
joe rogan
It was a foul.
tom papa
He slid his...
Oh, because you can't mess with the guy's ear.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
You could probably say he moved his head down when he was in mid-swing.
tom papa
When I was a young slapper, one of the techniques would be get his ear and bring it down towards the chin.
joe rogan
Oh, they have rules.
Okay, let me see the rules here.
Okay, one more time.
tom papa
Wait, they're not barbarians.
joe rogan
He's going to smack them again.
Oh my goodness.
jamie vernon
They're also doing this in a prison, by the way.
joe rogan
Oh, of course they are.
tom papa
He looks fucked up there.
He's spitting a tooth out.
joe rogan
Is he?
tom papa
He looks like he's spitting something out.
joe rogan
Oh, he got rocked.
tom papa
Oh, do you need a doctor?
joe rogan
Do you need a doctor?
He asked him.
That's okay.
How do you ask someone?
And they shake hands.
Now we're cool.
tom papa
Shake hands.
Smelling salts.
joe rogan
He's got powdered sugar all over his face.
tom papa
And now he's coming in for another hit.
This is...
Oh, God.
This is without being stay-at-home.
This is how bored they are.
joe rogan
Look at the swing.
tom papa
He's a big dude.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Here it comes.
tom papa
One, two...
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
He got him in the ear.
Is that all right?
unidentified
Oh, God.
jamie vernon
What are the rules?
tom papa
The guy's holding on to the desk for dear life.
joe rogan
Is that legal?
jamie vernon
There's no rules.
tom papa
It's 30 minutes.
joe rogan
It was strong.
He punched him really good.
tom papa
He punched him really good.
These are the people you're going to explain.
jamie vernon
They're getting points for successful hits.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
jamie vernon
Really?
I said one versus two earlier.
joe rogan
No, I just think they're just doing this until one guy drops.
tom papa
Just a little chubby.
joe rogan
And I'm betting on the black eye.
He's taking these so much better.
The other guy seems like he's...
Oh, my God.
There's so much force to that.
Oh my god.
tom papa
This is so crazy.
joe rogan
It was good.
tom papa
It was good hit.
unidentified
It was good.
tom papa
Smacked you in the face.
joe rogan
I love the trend.
And they're shaking hands.
I like it, bro.
I like it.
Like what you did to me there.
Oh, look at the side of that guy's face.
Look, he's sweating.
tom papa
He's purple.
joe rogan
He's sweating.
He knows he's going out.
Look at him gripping the table.
Look at him gripping the table.
Watch this.
tom papa
He knows it's like a truck about to hit him in the head.
joe rogan
This is the rap right here.
He ain't gonna make this.
unidentified
Eee!
joe rogan
Wow, he's still there.
tom papa
He's holding on for dear life.
joe rogan
He's still there.
jamie vernon
Barely.
joe rogan
Thumbs up.
He's fine.
tom papa
Yes, okay.
I closed my eyes.
joe rogan
I closed my eyes.
tom papa
Fuck you, man.
joe rogan
You scared the shot out of me.
What?
Scared the shot out?
jamie vernon
It might be a bad translation.
joe rogan
No, it's perfect.
That's how you said it.
tom papa
It's 3-3.
That means there are three hits in each side.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
tom papa
They're like holding them up.
joe rogan
So you take three shots the same place.
Have you ever been slapped in the face before?
tom papa
Not like that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's horrible.
jamie vernon
Oh, this keeps going for a while.
joe rogan
How long?
Oh my god!
tom papa
This is a 30 minute video.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Someone's going out.
Keep going.
Scooch that up.
tom papa
His flight last...
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's where I was trying to get to the end.
I think that was it.
joe rogan
That's it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't think anyone went out.
joe rogan
They gave up?
unidentified
Wow!
tom papa
It was a great fight.
unidentified
It was a great fight.
joe rogan
And look how you slapped me, I slapped you.
unidentified
You slapped me, I slapped you.
We slapped very good.
tom papa
Good lord.
joe rogan
What does it say?
unidentified
I can't betray MMA. Oh, I'm so happy to take part in this show.
Interesting format, but I can't betray MMA. I am such a successful sportsman, and I know how to fight right.
Thank you so much for invitation.
It was an honor to fight against such a legend.
He is your champ.
I would love to come back.
joe rogan
So apparently...
tom papa
He flew in.
joe rogan
He flew in to smack the Russian guy, and the Russian guy smacked him back.
tom papa
And he earned respect.
unidentified
Respect!
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's so many of these videos, man.
You could do this all day.
You could just watch guys slap each other all day.
tom papa
Do they get knocked out a lot?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And when they do, it's spectacular.
Put up the one that I put on my Instagram today, because that one is a dude who has his eyeballs tattooed.
jamie vernon
I was trying to see if they got money for that.
They got a 150,000 ruble prize.
joe rogan
Oh, that's like $30.
jamie vernon
$2,000.
unidentified
I want to see.
joe rogan
Put up the one from my Instagram today.
There's one enormous guy and another guy looks like he might have lifted weights once in high school.
Once.
It's such a mismatch.
Whoever sanctioned this is a real asshole because they got this kid.
It's the same guy.
Yeah, back it up.
Back it up.
tom papa
Oh yeah, the same dude.
joe rogan
Okay, just play it again because watch this guy.
He has no force.
Look at this.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nothing.
tom papa
It's a drive-by.
joe rogan
Nothing.
So this guy apparently is the champ.
So he bitch slapped the champ.
They let him get the first slap.
tom papa
And that was like a little lady slap.
joe rogan
But watch what Homeboy does to him.
This is horrific.
This is horrific.
First of all, look how little that guy is.
He's so little.
Look at his neck.
tom papa
Why does he look so weird?
joe rogan
Because he's got tattoos everywhere and his eyeballs are tattooed.
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
So look at his eyeballs.
unidentified
Bro.
joe rogan
That guy doesn't remember anything about childhood now.
All that stuff's been erased.
tom papa
Oh my god!
joe rogan
He's like an etch-a-sketch that you shake.
You wanna clear the screen?
One more time.
Watch this again.
unidentified
Nothing.
tom papa
Little slap.
joe rogan
He slept me.
unidentified
I barely notice.
joe rogan
Slep.
unidentified
Now watch.
joe rogan
The fucking thunderous boom.
These guys know how to do it, too.
That guy hit it.
tom papa
Yeah, he really does.
joe rogan
He hit it with the fingers.
tom papa
He weighs like 500 pounds.
joe rogan
He's enormous.
He's slapping with the fingers, where the other guy is going to use the palm of his hand.
He's going to really catch him.
tom papa
Oh, God.
He's kidding.
joe rogan
It looks like his head came off.
tom papa
Yeah, it looks like he's shot.
It looks like he's been shot.
joe rogan
When his hat falls off, it's like his head just exploded.
tom papa
Oh, teeth are coming out.
unidentified
Oh, good Lord.
joe rogan
Imagine that guy.
First of all, that guy looks like he's never even punched someone.
The way he did it was so...
tom papa
Yeah, he's like a little kid.
He looks like a skater kid.
joe rogan
He's a sad guy.
That's why he's got all those fucked up tattoos on his face and everything.
He's probably emotionally disturbed.
And they talked him into it.
unidentified
My friend, you could be greatest slap fighter of all time.
You could be the one.
Did you see that Street Fight video going around the last two days?
tom papa
Good lord.
joe rogan
No, what you should see is my friend Robin Black's takedown of it.
Put up Robin Black's from his Instagram because he had some great lines in it.
tom papa
What is it?
joe rogan
This is fucking two dudes who look like they're all methed out.
They get in a street fight.
Here, play it.
Give me some volume on this.
unidentified
Robin Black, one minute breakdown.
Neighborhood karate.
Shirtless Steve versus street.
Steve, shirtless skip kick.
Toppa-toppa blocked.
Big, big, big five punch combination with a round kick chaser.
And now for the street elegance.
joe rogan
Watch this.
unidentified
Bink?
tom papa
What the fuck?
unidentified
Modified spinning crescent kick to a bevy of punches, including the gin fizz uppercut that stuns shirtless Steve.
And now, Bink.
Lay for damage for the win.
Shirtless Steve assumed the after-school Shodokan stance versus the Street Steve tournament karate special.
An unfocused entry brings Steve into range for the street surge and the acid reflux special.
Boop.
More knuckles plus a converse kick.
Now behold the spin.
Full rotation of the body.
He'll look over his shoulder, find the target, and fire off a spinning hook kick.
But years of meth and inactivity will bind the hips, so he'll settle for the crescent kick.
Another angle?
Okay.
joe rogan
There's two angles.
tom papa
Oh, years?
unidentified
The instincts are still strong in Steve.
tom papa
The guy gets kicked in the face, he's like, uh-oh.
unidentified
Christine Uppercut, and now the finisher.
No, wait.
False start.
Let's line this bastard up.
Last call for liver delivery.
Bink.
That's right, friends.
We're living in a world of total documentation.
We've got the overhead cam.
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
The street fight has two angles, but I love years of meth and inactivity behind the hips.
Because Robin Black, my friend who did this video, who did the narration, he does real breakdowns of actual fights.
He's a martial arts expert.
tom papa
He knows what he's doing.
joe rogan
Yeah, so the fact that he does this occasionally, he does them for everything.
He'll do it for like bugs fighting.
He does it for all kinds of shit.
But he'll also do it for like world-class fights.
He does them for Bellator.
Oh my god, it's hilarious.
Years of inactivity and meth will bind the hips.
jamie vernon
I was gonna ask if he did the murder hornet and praying mantis and he did do it.
unidentified
Did he?
He did?
joe rogan
Oh, put it on.
unidentified
I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
I haven't seen it.
tom papa
These murder hornets are bad news.
joe rogan
Praying mantises fuck up everything.
We're lucky they're little.
They would kill us all.
tom papa
It's gonna beat the murder hornet?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Pang Mantis has beat up everything.
tom papa
Really?
unidentified
They kill rats.
Kung Fu Mantis versus Murder Hornet.
joe rogan
Look how quickly.
tom papa
Whoa.
unidentified
Kung Fu Mantis will dominate by exploiting a structural truth of Murder Hornet's anatomical shape.
The connective path of Hornet's head, thorax, and abdomen create a curve with directional limitations for movement.
By gripping the outer curve, Kung Fu Mantis stays beyond and behind stinging distance.
Reach as he might, Murder Hornet simply cannot inject his venom into Kung Fu Mantis.
The Mantis just has him.
- Wow. - Free his head, but Mantis adjusts his grip, slicing with his tibial spines to regain his positional preeminence.
My friends, this is not for the faint of heart.
In nature, the flesh and tissues of one feeds the body of another.
Kung Fu Mantis is dining on Murder Hornet, eating him alive.
Mantis eats in a quest to simply continue his existence and Murder Hornet continues to thrash to preserve his.
Oh my god.
Even as his sentience leaves him, his instincts of self-preservation are powerful.
A mighty reach with his weapon and a search for leverage or texture wherever it may exist.
joe rogan
He's going right through the head.
tom papa
He's just eating his head.
unidentified
Life leaves one to strengthen the other.
Crazy.
joe rogan
Eyeball first.
tom papa
He's ate his whole head.
unidentified
But meanwhile the bee's still alive.
tom papa
It's eating like a corn on the cob.
unidentified
Like an apple.
I don't know if I feel good that murder hornets can get schooled or that prey mantises exist.
joe rogan
I love both things.
I love it.
We need to just make more mantises and release them on these fucking pussy-ass murder hornets.
tom papa
Yeah.
Holy cow.
joe rogan
Dude, praying mantises are goddamn terrifying.
They get everything.
They get everything.
You ever seen them get hummingbirds?
tom papa
He didn't even think for a second.
He just got it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like, bitch, what?
tom papa
Yeah, it was one move.
joe rogan
They have so much leverage in those claws, those weird fucking shaped things.
Those weird shaped things are just designed to hold shit so they can cut it in half.
tom papa
And eat its head.
It eats hummingbirds?
joe rogan
They eat hummingbirds.
tom papa
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Here, watch this.
So this hummingbird doesn't know what that is.
It just sings, oh, I'm bigger than you and I'm just hanging out.
And this thing's on the bird feeder, but I'm sure it's nothing.
Nothing to worry about.
And watch how it moves.
Watch how quick it is.
tom papa
The praying mantis is just arms cocked.
joe rogan
But the movement.
Watch this.
unidentified
Yeah!
Oh!
tom papa
It got a hummingbird by its head!
joe rogan
It doesn't give a fuck.
They're so strong.
tom papa
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Praying mantises are so strong.
tom papa
His back legs are just hanging on the bird feeder and his front is eating a bird.
joe rogan
Yeah, and just drop down with it.
Now, here's the thing.
If you had arms, like proportionate arms, like look how small the arms are.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You would imagine like, God, they can't be strong.
They have to be weak.
tom papa
They're levers.
joe rogan
They're levers and also they're insect levers with an exoskeleton.
And they have preposterous amounts of strength relative to their size.
Like, have you ever seen ants carry things off?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's ridiculous.
They're so much stronger proportionately than we are.
And we are so lucky.
Do you remember Starship Troopers?
Look at this guy.
This guy's getting involved in the action.
tom papa
Yeah, the guy saved the hummingbird's life.
jamie vernon
The little points of contact for its little legs to be holding on to that.
joe rogan
Crazy.
jamie vernon
Plus the bird's trying to fly away and it's like, you're staying here.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, no bitch.
tom papa
Good lord.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
They're so strong.
tom papa
That is insanity!
joe rogan
You don't realize how strong they are until, you see, we have this thing in our head where we see something and we think of ourselves and we think of like size, oh that's probably weaker than the other thing that's its size.
Because we would compare ourselves.
But have you ever been around a chimpanzee?
Have you ever like had a chimp, touch a chimp, like a baby?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
On news radio once, we had a baby chimp, and it had diapers.
It was like two years old, and it was there for some scene that we wind up not even using.
But I played with this chimp, and so I'm holding him, and it's really heavy, like this little thing, but feels like it's made out of wood.
Like, it's so dense.
unidentified
Solid, yeah.
joe rogan
And that's where I had it in my head, and then it was hitting me in the back, and I was like, oh my god.
You know, it was playing with me, but I was like, this is so strong.
And this is a baby, a little baby.
But it gives you this understanding, like, oh, I have a distorted idea of what it is.
Because I think it's like me, but little.
tom papa
What strong is.
unidentified
But it's not.
joe rogan
It's a totally different kind of thing.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like the density of its tissue.
tom papa
It's made of monkey parts.
joe rogan
It's made of preposterously strong material.
tom papa
Jeez Louise.
joe rogan
And that ain't shit compared to a praying mantis.
If a praying mantis was the size of a chimp, the chimp would be fucked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's weird about them.
We're lucky they're little.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember Starship Troopers?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were like giant praying mantises that killed everybody.
tom papa
Wait, what?
joe rogan
Remember the bugs?
tom papa
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Those giant bugs that came out of the ground.
They basically were like a giant praying mantis or a beetle or some shit.
What were the bugs like?
I don't remember what they looked like.
I just remember them being giant.
Yeah, look at that.
Bro, it literally is a giant mantis.
tom papa
Yeah, he's got levers.
joe rogan
Oh, so different kinds of bugs.
tom papa
Yeah, they're like beetles.
joe rogan
They had all kinds.
This was a movie in the 90s or something, right?
tom papa
Yeah, 97. Yeah.
joe rogan
Whatever happened to that dude who was the head guy?
jamie vernon
Casper Vendium, I think so.
joe rogan
He's maybe one of the most handsome people that ever walked to face the earth.
He's so perfect.
tom papa
What happened to him?
joe rogan
He's beautiful.
Yeah, look at him.
tom papa
Oh yeah, I remember that dude.
joe rogan
That's him now, even now, today, at age 51. Starship Troopers 2017. There was a Starship Troopers 2017?
tom papa
Look at how many there are.
joe rogan
There was Starship Troopers 3?
jamie vernon
There's a lot of them, I think.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Come on!
jamie vernon
How is that possible?
tom papa
And he was in all of them.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Show me a video from Starship Troopers 2017. I need to see that.
Is there a video?
jamie vernon
Traitor of Mars.
joe rogan
Go to videos.
Oh, here we go.
Oh boy, it's in Mars.
jamie vernon
Oh no, it's a cartoon.
joe rogan
Oh, it's fake.
You fake fucks.
Oh, is it a video game?
jamie vernon
No, I don't think so.
unidentified
I think it's just a CGI. Oh, it's just a CGI movie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
tom papa
Oh, the whole movie.
Oh, it's like the beginning of a video game.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that a CGI movie now is actually cheaper than doing a movie with CGI? You can do the whole thing in CGI now?
Like that.
tom papa
That's how they're making movies right now, because you can't go into production.
joe rogan
Oh, that's going to be the death of all actors.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many actors are losing their fucking minds now?
They're so fragile as it is.
tom papa
It's got to be weird.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were dating a crazy actress, and she was hot, but you stuck around, but even though you knew she was a mess, and now the quarantine, there's no auditions, she's just going crazy.
tom papa
All the real hair colors coming out.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
Hey, thanks for signing my book, Joe.
joe rogan
I didn't sign your book, Joe.
tom papa
I mean, no, but you put a quote on the back.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right, I did.
And it comes out today, right?
tom papa
It comes out today.
joe rogan
You just segued into book sales, did you?
tom papa
I did.
I did.
It means a lot.
It means a lot that you did this.
joe rogan
Oh, please, I love you.
It says you're doing great?
tom papa
Yep, you're doing great.
And other reasons to stay alive.
Yeah, you are.
It's just relative.
joe rogan
Some people are doing great.
tom papa
Well, not everybody.
And other reasons to stay alive.
I had no idea how relevant it was going to be when I wrote it.
joe rogan
I'm in lofty company here on the book.
Patton Oswalt, Matt Damon, and Whitney Cummings.
unidentified
Ooh.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have some powerful friends.
tom papa
All good people.
joe rogan
Dude, this is a real long book.
How long did it take you to write this bitch?
tom papa
A year and a half.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah, about that.
unidentified
How many pages?
tom papa
About 300. Wow.
Yeah.
You're doing great and other reasons to stay alive.
I had to do the audiobook.
I had to sneak in during quarantine.
joe rogan
How'd you sneak in?
tom papa
It was like the first week, and I had to drive to a secret location and go in and read the book, and I had my Apple Watch on.
joe rogan
Did you do it illegally?
tom papa
I guess technically.
joe rogan
You had an Apple Watch on?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
What happened then?
tom papa
It alerted me when I got there.
joe rogan
That what?
tom papa
That I should be staying home.
unidentified
What?!
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Cut the shit!
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
What'd it say?
tom papa
It said, uh, reminder, stay-at-home order.
Everybody stay at home.
joe rogan
So your watch is kind of ratting you out.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Time to switch to Samsung.
tom papa
I know.
As soon as I got there, because I felt weird going anyway, but I had to get the audio book done.
It was just going to be me and the producer with a mask on.
And I got to the spot, and I was driving, and it was like, you know, the first couple of days, so it was really quiet out there.
There was nobody...
And I'm just cruising along and park in the parking lot, go into the thing, and bling on my watch.
Reminder, stay at home order.
joe rogan
If you were in your car, Tesla would have argued with it.
Shut up, person.
We're trying to make America great.
tom papa
We challenge you.
You're infringing on my civil liberties.
Let me out.
joe rogan
I don't like that.
tom papa
But it was weird, because I was reading the book.
You know, you have to read your whole book in, like, two days.
Sorry to go back.
And there were parts of the book that were, like, so on point of what's going on.
Like, I talk about this thing about animals coming to attack us.
Like, I always run into animals that are attacking me.
And then I get the whole last...
I don't want to start talking about germs.
E. coli, Ebola, all these germs we haven't heard of yet coming for us that we don't have antibiotics for.
Stuff like that.
I do this whole run on cruise ships.
You're never going to get me on one of those cruise ships.
They're filled with disease and I'm reading the book in pandemic.
unidentified
That's crazy!
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Tim Dillon was here a couple weeks ago and had an epic rant on cruise ships.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
We found out while he was here that it costs $25 a week to be on one of those cruise ships.
tom papa
What does that mean?
joe rogan
It costs $25 a week.
tom papa
For someone to be on?
joe rogan
Isn't that what it was?
jamie vernon
It was like $100 for a four-day cruise.
It was like $25 a day.
Normally it was like $1,000 or $2,000 or something crazy.
joe rogan
That's right.
It was like $100.
It was more than a four-day cruise.
It was like five to seven.
jamie vernon
It's like Mexico or wherever it was.
joe rogan
So, okay, we broke it down to how many dollars it was a day.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So it was like...
tom papa
I'm confused, though.
joe rogan
It was less than $20 a day, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
What the cost of what you do?
joe rogan
To be on a cruise ship.
It's better than being homeless.
We're like, how many homeless people just go on a cruise ship because it's all you can eat?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You could really get fat.
You could go crazy and get fat.
Because apparently, I bet, if I had to guess, I've never been on a cruise ship, but I think that the way they make their money is the booze, right?
tom papa
Yeah, I'm sure.
joe rogan
So they trick you into going.
tom papa
Oh, and you have to pay for the booze?
joe rogan
I think so.
I don't think they can give you free booze.
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
You probably get like one drink for free.
tom papa
Right, like a drink ticket.
Yeah.
And then you're just on...
joe rogan
Once you start going on a bender, you just rack up that credit card.
tom papa
Oh my god.
They're disgusting without a pandemic.
joe rogan
I've never been on one.
I've never had a desire to be on one.
My kids wanted to go on one.
There's a Disney cruise.
I'm like, fuck off!
You don't know shit.
You're six.
We're not going on a goddamn Disney cruise.
I go to Disneyland and you can leave when you want.
You go on a cruise and you're stuck in the middle of the ocean with a bunch of wackos?
tom papa
Did you ever hear that comedian that came on the boat after the last entertainer molested somebody, sexually assaulted someone up on deck, so they wouldn't let the performers up on deck?
joe rogan
What?
tom papa
An entertainer, some other comic or somebody got a little handsy.
It was locked down.
So this guy shows up.
I forget who it was.
A comedian shows up on the boat and he's told, you can't go above deck.
You've got to stay down in the quarters with the crew.
So he has to stay in his room, in his quarters, and his room opened up and the stage door was across the hallway.
So he was just sitting down there for days.
Then they came, knocked on the door, time to perform.
He walks out onto stage in front of a thousand people.
Good night, everybody.
It's over.
He goes back into his hole like a hamster.
Like a rodeo.
joe rogan
Oh my god, what comic was that?
tom papa
I forget who it was.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's awful.
tom papa
Oh, so brutal.
I would never, ever, ever, couldn't do it.
joe rogan
The only person I know who enjoys those is Alonzo.
But Alonzo Bowden does jazz cruises.
tom papa
Yes, I know.
joe rogan
It's different.
tom papa
It's totally, and he hangs out with the musicians.
joe rogan
Yes, he loves jazz.
tom papa
Loves it.
joe rogan
So for him, it's like, you know, like if you went on a bacon cruise.
unidentified
That's different.
joe rogan
If you went on a bread cruise, it's all just the best bread makers in the world.
tom papa
I would do that.
unidentified
Would you?
tom papa
I probably would.
joe rogan
How many great bread makers are there?
Could you fill up a cruise ship?
tom papa
You couldn't, but you could fill it up with the people who want to learn.
You definitely could do that.
joe rogan
Right, so it could be like baking lessons and then just the bakers.
tom papa
Yeah.
My social media has just been bread tutorials since the pandemic.
Really?
All my whole feed.
Because I just, before it happened, this is a plug for my YouTube, I put all my videos on YouTube showing people how to bake bread.
Because from doing this show, everybody was like, considers me this bread maker.
joe rogan
You're the bread guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
So I put up this, I just put up these tutorials of how to make it.
And then the pandemic hit and people couldn't get yeast.
So they just started flooding to my YouTube and sending pictures.
Now every day I get pictures.
Thanks, Tom.
Here's my first effort.
People like one-on-one like, why do you come out flat?
And I feel like I should answer them.
So I changed my whole podcast.
My whole podcast now is Breaking Bread with Tom.
I talked to you about this.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
You've got to come on it.
joe rogan
I would love to.
tom papa
I used Segura was the first one.
joe rogan
Was he?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
tom papa
And it just went up.
joe rogan
So are you filming at the All Things Comedy Place?
tom papa
We're going to.
joe rogan
Where are you filming at now?
tom papa
Well, right now, Tom and I did it remotely.
We had cameras on both of us.
That's bullshit.
joe rogan
You need to get together.
tom papa
I know.
unidentified
Who's the pussy?
tom papa
I did Alonzo.
joe rogan
Who's scared of germs?
tom papa
Tom.
I think it was a scheduling thing.
unidentified
Hmm.
tom papa
Yeah.
Maybe it's Tom.
I would have done it.
I had just gotten tested by you.
joe rogan
Yes, thank God.
tom papa
Yeah.
And Alonzo had also.
So Alonzo and I did one.
That's going to come out next week.
And I'm just going to create a set.
You know, remember Billy Crystal on Saturday Night Live, the You Look Marvelous guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom papa
And he's just in that Italian booth at Musso and Frank's.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
That's going to be my set.
I'm just going to...
Because it's breaking bread.
It's just sitting like an old Italian restaurant.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And we sit with food and wine.
Yeah.
unidentified
Look at that.
tom papa
It's going to be like...
joe rogan
You look marvelous.
tom papa
I think I'm going to do it like that.
joe rogan
I forgot how fun that was, that you look marvelous thing.
tom papa
It was so good.
He was so funny.
joe rogan
That was like when I was a child.
tom papa
Yes.
We were kids.
Remember when he had Howard Cosell on?
In the 80s.
81, maybe?
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Was it really?
tom papa
I think so.
He had Howard Cosell as a great one.
I just love that set.
I love that...
joe rogan
85. So that's the year I graduated high school.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
Right before me.
joe rogan
17 years old.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
Little baby.
joe rogan
You look marvelous.
tom papa
You look marvelous.
joe rogan
Billy Crystal.
He was a handsome little fellow when he was young, wasn't he?
tom papa
He was.
joe rogan
Look at that face.
tom papa
He really was.
joe rogan
Remember that movie he did about the really depressing comedian, Mr. Saturday Night?
tom papa
Oh, Mr. Saturday Night, yes.
joe rogan
I hated it.
I remember I went to see it.
I was on the road, and I went to see it during the daytime before the show by myself.
I remember leaving going, this is not how comedians are.
Like, what the fuck are you hanging out with, Billy?
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Most of my friends are comedians.
Like, this is the thing.
That was the movie.
There's a thing about comedians that people always want to think that we're depressed and angry in real life.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
That's not true.
tom papa
Very dark people.
joe rogan
But isn't that a weird stereotype?
tom papa
It is weird.
joe rogan
Think about all the people that we know.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's think about Segura and Alonzo.
Okay, you and I, if we were talking with no camera, we would talk just like this.
tom papa
No different.
joe rogan
We would be talking shit.
We would be laughing.
tom papa
Absolutely no different.
We're not brooding.
joe rogan
I'm not a brooding guy.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
And I know there are a few, but I think they're the minority.
tom papa
I think so, too.
I'm thinking about the guys that I hang with in New York, like Colin and Norton and Robert Kelly and those guys.
And they're a little darker, but I would say what people think is that everyone's brooding and dark.
But I mean, they're the most joyful people.
When I hang with them, it's nothing but laughs.
They're complicated, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Norton's very complicated.
tom papa
Comedians are complicated, right?
They're busy heads.
joe rogan
Well, Norton is complicated, and Norton also spent a long time on the Opie and Anthony show, which was the whole thing about that show was being a wreck.
tom papa
That was the hook.
joe rogan
It was talking shit.
It was a shit-talking fest.
I mean, people said the most preposterous things just to get a reaction.
Yeah.
There's something about those days where, you know, especially the early 2000s and the late 90s, I guess, people said the most awful things to make other comics laugh.
And if you took that stuff out of context...
That's a gross thing that people do, that little gotcha thing where people like to take things that someone said on one of those shows out of context.
I'm sure Norton has said a bunch of horrific things that he wished he never said, but he said them so that when you or I or Patrice or Bill Burr or Anthony, we would all be laughing.
But it's not because he means it.
There's a real grossness to that sort of going after people for old, ridiculous things they said on radio shows like that.
tom papa
Especially comedians.
Especially that kind of culture, like you're saying.
The whole thing was, it was like a roast every night.
Like a classic roast every night.
Which is, these are the hardest, these are the funniest people on the planet.
The only thing that's going to make them laugh is surprise.
And the only way to surprise them is to say something no one would say.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom papa
No one!
joe rogan
You gotta go super hard.
tom papa
Yeah, to surprise people.
Patrice O'Neill with something comedically, you've got to reach deep.
joe rogan
You want to shock Norton?
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
joe rogan
Good lord.
tom papa
And the other offensive part of that got you kind of thing, which I don't think these guys have had to...
I don't think they've come after them so much.
But anyway, I think...
When you hung with them, when you were there, it was love.
It was just pure love.
These guys cared about each other so deeply and would say the most horrible...
You would say something to Rich Voss that was like, what are you doing?
joe rogan
He was the guy that was always the nail.
Some people were the hammer.
Voss was almost always the nail.
But he relished it.
tom papa
Talk about a naturally funny human being.
He is so quick.
joe rogan
So quick, so naturally funny, and also takes a joke as good as anybody that's ever lived.
Takes it right on the chin like those slap-fighting guys.
tom papa
And I don't know friends that loved each other more than Norton to Voss to Colin to Robert.
joe rogan
No.
That was a special time, the O.B. and Anthony Davis.
It was really special.
tom papa
Yeah.
It definitely dipped into stuff.
Like, if you just rolled into that show out of context in your car when it was on terrestrial radio...
I'm sure it must have spun people's heads around.
joe rogan
Well, some people came in as guests and didn't understand it.
And I was there for a few of those.
And it was horrendous for them.
I remember watching these sort of sitcom-y actors who didn't know it was coming.
tom papa
Hey!
On their press tour.
joe rogan
Especially once they had gotten over to Sirius XM and it was just like fucking no-holes barred, language, everything.
tom papa
And then there were people that would come on who were surprisingly cool, like Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer would come on.
joe rogan
Yes!
tom papa
So cool, roll with the punches kind of guys.
joe rogan
I'm really good friends with Dr. Phil's son.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Dr. Phil is great.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
I would have never imagined.
He is the easiest going, nicest guy.
I had him on the podcast.
He's fucking great.
tom papa
Yeah, that's the vibe.
He's great.
I was on the show with him, like in the later years.
And yeah, he seemed like a very cool guy.
joe rogan
He's a lot of fun.
tom papa
What did he catch with the beginning of the Corona stuff?
There was a lot of...
They were saying that he was one of the guys that they were saying isn't a scientist, and he made some comments.
joe rogan
What did he say?
tom papa
I don't know.
He said something...
Maybe he was about that on the side of this isn't a...
We shouldn't be overreacting, I think is the gist of it.
joe rogan
Well, he's a psychologist, right?
tom papa
Yeah, which is probably the mental health maybe of what the lockdown would cause, something like that.
joe rogan
I think if you want to look at things from a psychologist's perspective, I want to talk to a psychologist about the mindset of people that panic in pandemics.
Because this is, I mean, when it comes to pandemics, this is a fairly mild one.
I mean, I hate to say that to anybody that lost loved ones or anybody that's currently sick.
It's not to be...
Insensitive about that.
But the reality of the past, when you look at the Black Plague or the Spanish Flu or any of the horrendous ones that people went through before, this one's fairly mild in comparison.
tom papa
If unchecked, would this be as dangerous as the Spanish Flu?
joe rogan
No.
Look at the number of people that are asymptomatic.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
This is unchecked.
Like 78% of the people that contact this are asymptomatic.
tom papa
That's one of the shocking stats that I see on Katie Couric.
Instagram, she puts just this fact sheet up every day, and it's really just useful, just numbers.
The shocking number is the number of people who beat it, who had it, were hospitalized, and are fine from it.
It's a huge number.
joe rogan
I have eight friends that have got it.
The only one that was hospitalized is Michael Yeo.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Michael Yeo got it pretty bad.
I think he beat himself up.
I think his body was beaten down.
And I think it's a wake-up call to us.
One of the things that I'm noticing from not traveling is I feel so much better.
tom papa
Dude, I can't tell you.
I've been thinking, like, I can't believe what I was doing for the last 20 years.
I can.
joe rogan
No!
tom papa
Hardcore, up at 4 a.m., on the plane, flying in, connecting, getting on stage, pounding out two hours of material, get up 4 o'clock the next day, next city, boom, boom, for 20 years.
joe rogan
Yep, doing radio.
unidentified
Can't...
tom papa
I'm starting to think about...
I used to ride a motorcycle.
And when you're in it and riding the bike all the time, it makes perfect sense.
It's safe.
It seems like you're manageable.
You stay off that bike for two years.
You're like, I'm never getting on a bike again.
That's the most insane.
unidentified
What was wrong with me?
tom papa
What was wrong with me?
I'm starting to think that with travel for stand-up.
I'm like, was I insane?
Yeah.
I mean, I will go back to it.
joe rogan
I'm kind of thinking it a little, too.
I've actually talked to a couple of my friends about this.
I might do a residency in LA. Wow.
unidentified
Smart.
joe rogan
Like, get a theater.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get a theater, like a 500-seat theater, and just bang out weekends there.
tom papa
Yeah.
That's a good idea.
Might not be a bad idea.
It's a really good idea.
I mean, Seinfeld did that at the Beacon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
He would just do like two weekends a month.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You can do it.
tom papa
Yeah, you can.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You can do it.
tom papa
Oh, please.
With the amount of people that live in this area?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And people fly in.
Look, we get that at the comedy store all the time.
I've run into people all the time at the comedy store.
Wow, we flew in from Australia.
We flew in from Ireland.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
People, they fly in from all over the world because they know that the comedy store is there.
And you can go there on a Tuesday night and see some insane lineups.
tom papa
Insane.
And this is, I mean, that's the one thing about our economy locally that's really devastating is tourists.
I didn't realize how, I always think just show business here, it's tourism.
The people that come here every single, millions of people every year.
I know, then you could have a residency, you don't have to bang it.
And I'm also thinking, Tour a little more.
I mean, I'm talking out of my ass because when people call and give me an offer, I go.
But I think if I could tour like a band and be like, I'm going out in the fall.
I'm going September through Thanksgiving.
That's my tour.
And then I'm home.
joe rogan
Have you ramped up touring over the last few years at all?
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah?
When did you start ramping it up?
tom papa
I would say the last five years.
The last five years.
When I started selling bigger places and starting to do theaters.
joe rogan
Started getting that cheddar, baby.
tom papa
Yeah, it was like you fight your whole life to be able to play a theater.
And then once that started happening, I was just, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I remember the first time I ever sold out a theater.
It was the craziest feeling ever.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I remember pulling into the parking lot.
This is not even a comedy club.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a theater.
Like there's bands come here.
tom papa
Surreal.
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tom papa
You see the people on the walls.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then you see all these people that don't work with comedy clubs like, you know, the security people and the sound guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, hey, what's up, man?
How you doing?
Dan, Joe.
Nice to meet you.
Blah, blah, blah.
Do you need anything?
Nope.
Nope.
Just a stool?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Okay, cool.
joe rogan
They're so happy.
tom papa
They're so used to people coming in with real demands.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And you're used to being treated like shit for years.
You're just like...
joe rogan
And they're all there to see you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird.
tom papa
It's special.
It makes it a show.
It makes it feel like a real show.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It feels...
The most surreal arenas.
That's the most surreal.
tom papa
Yeah, I can't imagine.
joe rogan
You should come with me in one.
tom papa
I would love to.
joe rogan
If we ever get allowed to do it again.
tom papa
Oh, I'm sure we could do one in Florida this weekend if we wanted to.
joe rogan
Well, you can in Kansas City.
tom papa
You can?
joe rogan
Yeah, Missouri's allowing concerts.
tom papa
Concerts?
joe rogan
Right now.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Let's go!
tom papa
And are they going?
Are people buying tickets?
joe rogan
I have no idea, but apparently Missouri just passed a thing.
I saw it through a trusted source, Lil Duvall's Instagram page.
tom papa
That's a trusted source for sure.
joe rogan
But yeah, it said that Missouri's allowing concerts.
tom papa
Yeah.
I mean, it's all going to come back.
It is going to come back.
joe rogan
It will.
But you've got to wonder how many people like you or I who are looking at our life now going, okay, well, what am I doing?
Am I going to keep doing this and beat myself up?
Because I just did it Saturday, right?
I flew to Florida Saturday, and then I flew back home first flight Sunday morning.
So I was back home at like 10 a.m.
on Sunday.
But then I got an IV bag.
I got a vitamin bag of IV. Smart.
Yeah.
And I got another COVID test.
I said, just give me a test.
I know everyone was tested at the UFC. They were very stringent with the testing.
You have to have a wristband to get there.
I go, but just fucking hit me with another test.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Not that bad.
Yeah.
But I was thinking before the IV bag, because the IV bag made me feel pretty good.
I was like, what am I doing?
Am I going to keep doing this?
Why am I going to keep doing this?
tom papa
Well, because we love performing and people want to see you and it's what we do.
joe rogan
Fly to LA, bitch.
I'm going to be at a theater.
tom papa
I know.
I know.
joe rogan
I still do some.
tom papa
I'll still do a bunch.
I'm still going to go.
I know I'm going to go, but I don't know.
And it sounds so...
The only reason I hesitate is because my kids are a little older.
And, I mean, I didn't have the freedom to do it early when they were little.
I'm saying, like, I should have stayed home when they were little, but that's when I was coming up and, you know, had to go.
And I do love it.
I have to say, when you're in the rhythm of...
It's only, again, it's the motorcycle.
It's the distance of it that makes it seem crazy.
When I was in the middle of it, It was just what I did.
joe rogan
Maybe you could do it Ron White style if you had your own Tom Papa jet.
tom papa
You say what he does?
joe rogan
He's got his own jet.
Ron White's got a jet.
tom papa
There was that great scene, I think I've mentioned this on the show, the Ray Charles movie with Jamie Foxx.
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Maybe I did and I forgot.
tom papa
And when he redoes his contract, he puts a jet in it as part of the contract because the phrasing was somewhat conveying that because the travel's going to kill you.
That's the thing that kills you.
joe rogan
Is the travel on your own jet going to kill you less?
tom papa
Oh yeah.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Ask Ron.
tom papa
You're cutting down days.
When I would tour with Seinfeld, I would be home after doing a gig in Atlanta.
I would be home in New York earlier than the guys doing sets at the Cellar and coming home.
joe rogan
Because you'd fly that night.
tom papa
Fly that night!
You're home.
joe rogan
You're home.
Sleep in your own bed.
tom papa
Yes.
It's a home.
Now you're not staying in the hotel.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
You're not having shitty sleep.
You're not going.
unidentified
Yes.
tom papa
Of course you're going to live longer.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
But, you know, it's so fun to go though.
It's so great.
I love, I do, I'm in my yard and I, you know, there's not that many planes.
Going to Burbank now, which is...
unidentified
Almost none.
tom papa
Almost none.
It's like several a day kind of thing.
And they're like a little burst at night.
But when I hear them and I look up and I see the bottom of Alaska air, it looks like a whale's belly.
I'm like, oh, where are they going?
Are you going to go tell jokes?
I'll be with you guys soon.
joe rogan
How did the airline survive this?
How are they going to make it?
tom papa
Well, they got a lot of dough.
I don't know how you...
Yeah, they did.
joe rogan
How much do they have?
tom papa
I don't...
No, they got a...
The government helped them.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
But I don't know...
joe rogan
Where's the government getting that money?
tom papa
They just make it.
joe rogan
Well, why didn't they make it to fix the fucking impoverished neighborhoods?
Why didn't they fix all that?
tom papa
They're not important.
joe rogan
They've been in quarantine.
tom papa
That's not...
That's...
We're talking about...
Poor people?
unidentified
No!
No!
tom papa
I don't know how you get back to operating an airline.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
An airport.
joe rogan
How do we get back to?
tom papa
Six feet apart at TSA. How is that going to happen?
The line's going to be up to San Francisco.
joe rogan
It's going to be insane.
It's going to be insane.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
I didn't even think of that.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when they're at full capacity.
tom papa
How do you get through security?
joe rogan
When is it going to happen?
tom papa
Are you going to have to go six hours before your flight to get through?
joe rogan
When can it happen?
tom papa
I don't know, that part.
joe rogan
When can you do that again, like that?
tom papa
Either vaccine or it ravaged the population, I guess.
joe rogan
Future air travel, four-hour process, self-check-in, disinfection, immunity passes.
Oh, fuck off.
Look at those outfits.
tom papa
Four-hour process.
joe rogan
Four-hour process.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Come on.
joe rogan
Four hours?
Once airports borders open again, people are able to fly freely, a process already in play as airports of all sizes around the world Ready strategies to ensure healthy air travel.
How much are you ready to change your flying habits?
Oh my god, it's going to be terrible.
jamie vernon
It could get a little bit less because this also then at the end says this might cause less people to then fly, which brings the lines down a little bit.
joe rogan
Right, but that's going to fuck everybody up because there's going to be less flights available.
jamie vernon
Oh yeah, there already are.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, right now, but this is in the middle of the quarantine.
Once the quarantine's lifted, when can you fly to Bozeman, Montana?
You know what I mean?
tom papa
Yeah, no, exactly.
Travel's going to be...
My sister sent me an article of some guy had to take a flight for work, and everyone was saying, Oh, I'm so jealous you're getting to fly for work, and it's going to be empty, and it's going to be great.
And he said it was horrible, because...
People were tense and nervous on flights before and putting their things in the overhead and trying to get ahead of you in line.
Now people's nerves are so – it was like they didn't want to be near other people.
They once saw everyone else as a contagion and just like, get away from me.
The nervous energy of the experience was a real drag for them.
joe rogan
My friend Lex, he flew from Boston to do the show.
He was the only person on the plane.
It was a private plane just for him.
Whole plane.
He had a mask on.
tom papa
One guy.
joe rogan
The stewardesses didn't even talk to him.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There was no water, no nothing.
You don't get shit.
They don't even make contact to you.
They stay the fuck away from you.
tom papa
Now, listen.
If it means that fewer people are going to be flying and we can go back to flying like it's in the 80s, that wouldn't be such a bad thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you want to travel to places, you have to have a viable...
The airline has to have a reason to schedule a flight.
They have to be people traveling.
tom papa
But don't you think it was a little maxed out before things got like...
Every flight.
When I started my career, there were empty seats on planes.
It wasn't a mad rush of humanity.
joe rogan
Are you prepared to pay more for plane tickets?
Yes.
tom papa
I used to have a joke in my act because of the crowd and stuff.
People say the airlines are expensive.
People say it's too expensive to fly.
I say, not expensive enough.
Let's keep it to business travel, and the family of six, they vacation locally.
joe rogan
It's time to ramp up your life.
I hope you're doing great, sells a lot, and you can get one of them run white jets.
tom papa
Oh man, I hope so.
joe rogan
Tell you what, that's how I travel, son.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got fucking smoking cigars, drinking tequila, just flying around.
tom papa
Flying around.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Getting on a bus, doing it.
joe rogan
When I flew with Chappelle, he smokes on planes, smokes cigarettes.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
And I'm like, this is outrageous.
He doesn't even ask if the people around him are okay with it.
He just sparks up.
tom papa
God.
It's like his thing.
joe rogan
Well, you can smoke on a private jet, I guess.
I guess.
unidentified
I guess.
joe rogan
You must have to have some sort of an agreement with the pilots.
tom papa
Yeah, that can't be.
joe rogan
Look, you're in a fucking tube flying around.
It's like, that air is going to get to everybody.
tom papa
There's only one guy that can do that.
joe rogan
How much filtration is in that airplane?
tom papa
Yeah.
Well, that's what they keep putting out reports.
I keep getting notes from the airlines.
Do you get those in your email?
joe rogan
I don't read them.
tom papa
The little videos and stuff from the owner of United.
joe rogan
I'm wearing a mask.
tom papa
Yeah, we're all disinfecting and all our air is 98% fresh and all this kind of stuff.
joe rogan
What are you, Rotten Tomatoes?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Their air has got only 30%.
Yeah, but no, it's going to be...
I do feel like it's recalibrating how you look at everything.
But once it all gets opened up and you have an opportunity to go to all these places, you probably go back to what we were doing.
joe rogan
When I was in Florida, I was walking down the hallway in my hotel and some guy in his room was coughing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I fucking panicked.
I panicked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, oh no, I walked faster.
Quickly, get through the hallway.
I remember thinking like, wow, is this how I'm going to be from now on?
I hear a cough and I'm going to freak out.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Something that didn't mean jack shit.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Three months ago, now I was like...
tom papa
Yeah, uh-oh.
joe rogan
Is it coughing?
tom papa
And it's going through the vent and it's coming into my room.
joe rogan
Little particles are in the air.
tom papa
My last gig was in Pennsylvania.
And it was the Keswick Theater just north of Philadelphia.
And it was all just starting.
It was like March 7th.
So it was all starting to really stop.
And I get on the flight and I'm wondering, is this going to be my last gig for a while?
And I was really kind of bummed out about it.
And then Paula Poundstone came on the plane.
And I know Paula from Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.
And she's just great.
And she comes on and she's just like, we're fucked.
I go, really?
You think so?
I go, oh yeah.
And then she goes to sit in the back and she has an asthmatic condition.
joe rogan
Oh no.
tom papa
The whole flight, she's just coughing in the back.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Like a violent, heavy cough at periods, and she comes up to go to the bathroom at some point, and she's like, I'm real popular today.
And she was just freaking the entire plane out.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
She's so damn funny.
Has she ever been on?
joe rogan
No.
She's got asthma?
tom papa
Yeah, she has some asthma thing, yeah.
joe rogan
That would make it really terrifying.
tom papa
Yeah, she can get it.
Right.
That kind of thing.
I know.
I know.
God, is she funny, though.
So dry and just a road warrior.
Talk about travel.
She just pounded out for years.
Years.
joe rogan
She was really popular at one point in time.
What happened?
tom papa
Really popular.
She had a drinking thing.
She had a little kerfuffle.
She had something with people said stuff about her as a mom and stuff and it was all cleared up and It took a little bit of a hit.
And then she came back and she just went on the road and just kept going and she was cleared of everything.
There was no problems and she just took every gig she could take and just played it, played it, played it.
And she's been on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me for 30 years straight.
And she's just...
joe rogan
What is, wait, wait, don't tell me, it's a podcast?
tom papa
That's the NPR show.
It's Peter Sagal and it's like a news quiz and it's just they have three comedians on.
I do it with Alonzo a lot.
joe rogan
It's a podcast though, right?
tom papa
Is that what it is?
No, it's an NPR radio show and a podcast.
But it was a radio show first.
And then it runs as a podcast.
And it's all current events.
It's all like, you know, stuff that's happening in the week.
And Paula is known as just the, her crowd work is like her real, she's so in the moment, off the cuff.
Brilliant.
Probably one of the best of all time.
And so in that format for the show, she's just a killer.
So she did that for 30 years and she's still...
Her audience is a little older, but she's super...
She sells out all these places.
She does not have to do radio for tickets.
She has a real, real strong base.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's so many people that made a living on the road and kind of counted on it.
So, like, their bills every month were kind of high, you know?
And now they're in this situation where they're like, holy shit, like, when can I work?
tom papa
Yeah, no kidding.
No kidding.
I mean, that's the thing, like, in entertainment, even when there were recessions, entertainment always did okay.
joe rogan
Right.
Not this one.
tom papa
There was a thing in The Sopranos where, like...
One of the characters says, you know, in a recession, entertainment and our thing, we're okay.
joe rogan
And our thing!
tom papa
And they're recession-proof, but this one, live performance, holy shit.
joe rogan
Well, Live Nation almost went under.
tom papa
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Live Nation got a giant chunk bought out by the Saudi Empire.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Did you hear about that?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Everybody was like, what the fuck?
They bought a sizable chunk of Live Nation.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You know, because it's an open, it's a public company.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So they were hurting.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
See, you can find that article.
tom papa
So they bought, so now they controlled part of it.
joe rogan
Saudi Arabia purchases $500 million stake in Live Nation.
tom papa
Because that $500 million was probably worth a couple billion before this?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't know.
tom papa
Is that what that means?
joe rogan
I mean, what is it worth now?
I mean, they're really taking a chance.
5.7% stake in Live...
Wow, how much is Live Nation worth?
tom papa
Yeah, billions.
joe rogan
5.7%?
tom papa
$500 million gets you 5%.
joe rogan
Right.
Saudi Public Investment Fund disclosed the stake, compromising 12,337,569 shares in a filing with the Securities Exchange Commission on Monday.
They're taking a big chance, too, though, because, like, when is that going to be happening again?
tom papa
In Missouri this weekend.
joe rogan
Just Missouri, though.
jamie vernon
Maybe Texas.
tom papa
Yeah.
It'll come back.
I mean, it'll be back, but can you sustain the downside of it long enough?
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
unidentified
Hold on a second.
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
It's the Missouri thing.
joe rogan
Okay.
Missouri Governor Mike Parson unveiled a state reopening plan April 27th and included a note that live contras can resume starting Monday, May 4th.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Billboard reports Missouri is the first state in the U.S. to reopen live events amid the coronavirus pandemic.
The plan dictates that seating shall be spaced out according to social distancing requirements, which is a bullshit, nonsensical requirement.
You're all stuck together in a room screaming.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the concertgoers must remain at least six feet apart.
Well, that won't happen when people are peeing.
The mayors of Missouri, major cities, St. Louis, Springfield, and Kansas City have revealed that live concerts and large gatherings will not return as the city's stay-home orders will remain intact.
tom papa
Ah, the mayors overriding the governor?
joe rogan
Yes, it says we will continue to be guided by data, not dates.
St. Louis Mayor Lita Crewson.
Someone sounds like a liberal.
tom papa
So now we can't do concerts in St. Louis either.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it looks like it's not going to happen in St. Louis.
tom papa
It'll be a bit.
joe rogan
Maybe Kansas City.
Maybe they'll let you go there.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somewhere.
Someone's going to do it.
tom papa
Yeah.
Who's gonna be the first concert?
joe rogan
The idea of staying six feet apart, like, how many seats do you have to give up?
Like, we're about six feet apart.
How many seats is between you and me?
Three?
Maybe three?
One, two, three.
tom papa
Yeah, four.
joe rogan
Four?
So you'd have to give up four seats, so you'd have one quarter if you're lucky.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everyone else spaced out.
tom papa
The economics of that doesn't really work.
joe rogan
What if you're on a date?
tom papa
Ooh, yeah.
joe rogan
Can you, if you take your lady friend, can they sit next to each other?
unidentified
What?
tom papa
You do that trick with the popcorn.
joe rogan
Well, here's the other thing, what about the people behind you?
tom papa
You cut the hole in the bottom of the popcorn, put your junk in it, then she goes for the popcorn.
joe rogan
The diner, Mickey Rourke scene.
What about the people behind you?
Where the fuck are they going to go?
We're going to have to stagger people?
tom papa
They're not right behind you, they're over here behind you.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck off.
Because then they're going to be too close to the people that are close to you.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That won't work.
tom papa
Broadway just said they're not opening until Labor Day.
joe rogan
Well, thank God I don't like Broadway.
tom papa
And their audience is all 65 plus.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are people that really should be terrified.
Even when they open.
When did they say they were going to open?
tom papa
Labor Day.
joe rogan
Labor Day.
tom papa
September.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
Yeah.
Originally said June, now it's Labor Day.
joe rogan
I don't buy that.
tom papa
Labor Day?
joe rogan
I'm supposed to do Madison Square Garden October 3rd.
tom papa
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
New York City Marathon.
joe rogan
How's that going to happen?
tom papa
November.
I don't know.
joe rogan
How's that going to happen?
tom papa
Isn't it amazing how the months seem so close now?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
When you're doing the math of, like, will I be able to go out?
We're sitting here in May, and all of a sudden October looks like it's next week.
joe rogan
Well, November 1st, I'm at the Forum, the Great Western Forum, out here.
tom papa
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Oh, would that be sweet?
I don't even know if I could do that.
Imagine if you were, though.
Imagine if you make it.
Imagine if something happens between now and then where you're able to go do the garden.
Wouldn't that be great?
Weekend shows at the Houston Improv.
joe rogan
Brian Callen's already there.
Thursday, May 28th.
jamie vernon
At the end of the month, they have a show booked right now.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
Well, my shows are still on sale in San Francisco right now.
jamie vernon
Look at this motherfucker.
joe rogan
Alan Adams steps in Saturday, May 16th.
I salute you, Alan, and your wonderful mustache.
jamie vernon
All the Texas Improvs, it looks like, are doing stuff this week.
joe rogan
Good for them.
jamie vernon
Different rules everywhere.
tom papa
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
You know, if everyone acts cool, and if they do some precautions, clean the place, and it's going to be young people, no, it'll be half the...
Say it seats 400, maybe they'll have 150. I don't know if that's what they're doing there, though.
joe rogan
They might just be sitting down.
tom papa
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Texas is buck wild, bro.
You can bring a gun.
tom papa
I like that Callan's going.
joe rogan
Hey, I might move to Texas.
Callan and I and Shob have actually talked about this.
tom papa
Getting a ranch together?
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
If California continues to be this restrictive, I don't know if this is a good place to live.
First of all, it's extremely expensive.
The taxes here are ridiculous.
And if they really say that we can't do stand-up until 2022 or some shit like that...
I might jet.
I'm not kidding.
I'm not kidding.
This is silly.
I don't need to be here.
The only reason why I'm here is that I'm close to people like you.
A lot of my friends live here.
The store's here.
But if they won't let us do the store, but we could do stand-up other places, why would we stay here?
tom papa
Where in Texas, though?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Hmm.
Austin.
I like Austin a lot.
I like Dallas a lot.
I like Houston, but...
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if I'd live in Houston.
I would definitely live in...
tom papa
It's very humid there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The summer's a motherfucker.
tom papa
Oh, God.
Brutal.
joe rogan
Dallas is great.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to read through this.
I think they're starting with 25% of listed occupancy.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
At the improv?
tom papa
Yeah, they're gonna do it smart.
joe rogan
Is that what it says?
jamie vernon
It says they're not doing it to make money, they're doing it for the audiences.
Like it says it's not a money-making opportunity.
joe rogan
Tell that to Brian Callen, Brennan Chob, we're gonna demand their money.
tom papa
The other thing is, they make most of their money off of alcohol.
And if people have to wear masks, how does that work?
joe rogan
Should we call Callen right now?
tom papa
Everyone's got a sippy straw?
jamie vernon
Let's call Callum right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, find out what's going on.
Since he's the one who's actually doing it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it says operating at 25% will not be a money-making exercise, nor will be 50% when that point is reached.
So they're not there yet.
tom papa
I've got to...
I'm supposed to do Portland.
unidentified
What's up, bud?
joe rogan
Hey, buddy, you're on the air, so don't say anything crazy.
Okay.
When are you doing the improv in Houston?
You're a savage.
How many people are allowed to be in the audience?
unidentified
That's because that's all they could sell?
joe rogan
200 people in the crowd.
What is the normal capacity?
unidentified
Yeah, I believe that's the number.
That's Texas.
Now, I just read in the New York Times, I mean, I'm sorry, Brendan Chubb has called me and said that the shutdown in Los Angeles is being considered till July?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, that's what he said.
So normally the Houston Improv seats 450 people, it says.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they'll allow 200 people?
Is that what it is?
unidentified
That's correct.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, LA is July.
How crazy is that?
unidentified
Well, how do we fight that?
I mean, well, who is deciding that?
Some health official based on what data?
joe rogan
Yeah, and what's going to be different in July?
Nothing's going to be different in July.
unidentified
Well, nothing's going to be different, but also, is this about getting absentee voting in for those seats in Congress?
What's going on?
I don't understand.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Why would you think it would be about that?
unidentified
I talked to a Republican...
bryan callen
There's an article about homelessness and I wanted to speak to the scholar and the person who knows the person is a Republican strategist.
unidentified
I'll find out the information.
She was correlating it to that.
bryan callen
Now, maybe because she's a Republican strategist, there's not, I don't have any evidence on this, but absentee ballots in this state, I guess, favored Democrats, the incumbent Democrats for a number of reasons.
joe rogan
I'm not an expert on this, but that's what I heard and I'm wondering if there's anything That doesn't make any sense because this state is basically blue anyway.
It is, yeah.
That seems like a ridiculous thing to sink the economy for something you already have winning.
God, it can't be that.
tom papa
It can't be that.
They can't blow up the whole economy just for that.
joe rogan
I think it's probably more of a liability thing.
Like, they're worried about if they make a decision and somehow it gets connected to a larger amount of deaths.
You know, because these people get paid while this is all going on.
Like, they are not the people that own the small businesses.
They're not...
unidentified
Oh, I know.
joe rogan
Oh, I know.
unidentified
No, I'm aware.
This is what happens when politicians are protecting and doing this for our, quote-unquote, Can Brian hear me?
We live in a country where my government doesn't represent me.
I have no recourse here.
joe rogan
Where are we moving?
You want to go to Texas?
unidentified
I like Texas.
I've got to sit here like a cow chewing grass while Gavin Newsom has decided, for my own good, to shut down the entire state and the economy.
joe rogan
And I'm sorry to say this also, but from what I have read, and again, I may be wrong, but this is primarily a disease that Yes, we actually talked about it on the podcast that the average age that people die from this disease is older than the average age people die.
unidentified
Okay, so we've shut down everything.
Instead of having a targeted quarantine or a smarter way to do this, I just have to do like a cow chewing grass.
I have to listen to whatever my politician tells me.
I thought it was May 15th.
Now it's July.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I agree with you.
I agree with you in that way.
I think it's L.A. County is actually July.
The governor still has May 15th, and that they're moving forward with stages.
So the next stage will be gyms, and they're going to have certain disinfection salons, things like that.
They're going to have to have certain rules in place, hand sanitizer, things along those lines.
bryan callen
I'm just still so confused by this.
joe rogan
I think they should quarantine people that are higher at risk and quarantine people if they choose to be quarantined because they're still scared of it.
That's what I think.
tom papa
Can you ask him if I can open for him?
unidentified
And that would be called personal responsibility and all that stuff.
We're not dealing with that.
I don't know what Eric Garcetti is doing.
I just don't get it.
I don't understand the logic behind it.
joe rogan
I don't get it either, but Tom Papa wants to open for you.
He's here right now.
He wants to open for you in May.
unidentified
Tom, I'll throw you up for 10 minutes.
We'll get you moving around and see how you do.
tom papa
Thanks.
unidentified
Obviously, you've got to take my workshop first, but we'll go from there.
joe rogan
It's not comedy.
unidentified
It's mostly physical.
We get you stretching.
joe rogan
Your workshop.
I'll call you after I'm out of here.
I love you, buddy.
unidentified
Bye.
joe rogan
So there you go.
So it's basically a little bit less than half capacity.
tom papa
I have an offer to go do it in two weeks and then...
joe rogan
May?
tom papa
May.
joe rogan
Houston?
Improv?
Which one?
tom papa
Salt Lake City.
joe rogan
Oh, Wise Guys.
Love it there.
tom papa
I know.
Love those guys.
joe rogan
Take it.
How many people in the audience?
unidentified
150. Fill it up and let's test that immunity.
joe rogan
Come on, pussies!
I love Salt Lake, too.
tom papa
And then my Portland show is like two weeks after that.
joe rogan
I would live in Utah.
I like Utah.
Utah's a great state.
tom papa
Beautiful state.
joe rogan
People are scared of Mormons, so nobody moves there.
tom papa
Yeah, it's really true.
joe rogan
They're all scared.
Like, oh my god, you go there, you have to join the cult.
tom papa
Oh, they're so nice.
The whole city's so clean.
joe rogan
They're the best cult members in the world.
tom papa
Oh, I love it.
joe rogan
But a lot of people are not cult members that live in Utah.
There's a lot of non-Mormons that live there, and they're the nicest folks.
tom papa
So nice.
And it's, I think, the most beautiful state.
It's so diverse.
joe rogan
It's a very beautiful state.
tom papa
God, it's gorgeous.
The mountains and the canyon lands.
joe rogan
Preach!
Preach, Tom Papa.
tom papa
Oh, I love it.
joe rogan
You think you live there?
Could you live there?
tom papa
I could live anywhere.
Anywhere.
joe rogan
Well, Wise Guys is a great club to work out of, too.
If you needed a local club to practice, you could do Wise Guys.
tom papa
It's a good spot.
joe rogan
It's the most underrated club in the country, I think.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, it's great.
joe rogan
It's really great.
tom papa
It's so good.
joe rogan
Everybody knows how great Comedy Works in Denver is.
Everybody knows how great Zany's in Nashville is.
Most people don't...
tom papa
Yeah, they sleep on it.
joe rogan
On the short list of great clubs, Wise Guys in Salt Lake City is right up there, in my opinion.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Oh man.
Do you think kids will be back in school in September?
joe rogan
I don't know, but if they're not, it's going to be a mess.
My kids are mocking their teachers with their fucking computer on mute.
unidentified
I know!
joe rogan
My middle daughter, my 12-year-old, she's a savage.
She's ruthless.
She's a little predator.
And she just put them on mute.
Oh yeah!
unidentified
Is that what she wants to do?
joe rogan
It's like, oh, you're so smart.
How did you learn?
Did you learn through a computer?
And she thinks it's hilarious.
They wake up right before they go to school.
tom papa
I know.
unidentified
Okay?
joe rogan
School starts at 8. They wake up at 7.56.
They pee, they drink some water, and they fucking sit in front of their computer.
tom papa
My kids are up all night long, too.
I have no idea when they go to bed.
I get up to pee in the middle of the night, I still hear movies being played.
joe rogan
My daughter's just sitting on her computer, eating breakfast in bed.
They're in bed!
I know!
The teachers could not be less enthusiastic.
tom papa
It's horrible.
joe rogan
They're so phoning it in.
One of my daughters, my nine-year-old, the fucking teacher's always late.
She gets mad at them if they tune into the Zoom thing late.
But she'll be there 15 minutes late just sluggishly talking to them about their studies.
And it's so...
tom papa
BORING! It sounds so boring, I know.
unidentified
Oh, it's so boring.
joe rogan
I sat with her and just to walk, I go, let me be a fly on the wall and watch this nonsense.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, it's, regular school is deadening, right?
It's like, oh, it numbs you.
It's so, it's so frustrating, or it was for me.
tom papa
Me too.
joe rogan
And I think their school is better than my school, but the Zoom shit is like 75% more annoying than regular school.
tom papa
It doesn't work.
My friend's son stayed at school in Chicago and was like, you know, I could do classes from home or, you know, it's all going to be online for the end of the year.
So I could come home to LA or I could stay there and do anything.
Let me just stay there.
And be with my friends at least when we're off.
But he's a good student and he loves going to class.
He said it just doesn't compare.
You come out of class and you'd be like, I missed that part.
And you go sit with your buddy and have coffee and figure out the stuff that you missed and the whole other part of the experience.
It's not just about them spitting information into your brain in this two-dimensional space.
joe rogan
We're turning people into robots.
tom papa
It's really brutal.
joe rogan
You know, this is the thing that I talked about, and I was just joking around, but if you just sat down and broke it down this way, if you were an artificial intelligence, right, and you were trying to trick people into submitting to become some sort of a symbiotic creation, where you get people to join the matrix, how would you get them to do that?
Well, one good way to start out is make it so they don't want to go anywhere near each other.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Separate themselves.
Make them be accustomed to doing everything online virtually.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make them accustomed to being terrified to be around people's physical touch.
You can't shake hands.
You can't do anything.
tom papa
So who's controlling this matrix?
joe rogan
Well, this is the future.
The future is eventually we're going to be a part of this.
Look, Elon was on here talking about some neural link thing they're going to do.
tom papa
Were they put in your brain?
joe rogan
Yeah.
His literal words were, you're not going to have to talk to communicate.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
And I was like, what?
Well, this is it, right?
This is how you get into the Matrix.
This is how eventually...
We're gonna eventually submit because it's going to be more interesting than the fucking Mad Max wasteland that's left in the world as the temperature rises and the diseases mutate.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck!
tom papa
But...
First of all, we'll be protected by the praying mantis.
Second of all...
joe rogan
We need to breed them.
tom papa
The amazing thing that I've been observing during this, we are this living organism.
We are more linked than we knew.
Everybody seems to be in the same mood at the same time, the same frustrations, the same sadness, the same joys.
People are craving being with each other.
We are this organism that while we're individuals, we're also part of this bigger hive that feeds off of each other in profound ways.
And I don't care what you come up with.
We want to see and squeeze and be around and be face-to-face and touch each other.
And there is that...
That thing is not...
It's like asking fish not to swim.
We are not built for that.
You would have to give us a lobotomy for us to do that.
unidentified
Nah.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you see Ready Player One?
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Great movie.
tom papa
It was good.
joe rogan
But it's about that.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's about this sort of transition to a virtual world that's more...
It's more...
It's more exciting.
It's more captivating.
It's more...
tom papa
It doesn't have that thing.
It doesn't have that physical thing.
You can't satisfy that.
joe rogan
I don't know if you're right.
tom papa
Look how we're freaking out.
Look how people want to be around each other.
joe rogan
Right, but this is now.
tom papa
Yeah, well...
joe rogan
As things get better with the virtual world, I think there's a real potential.
I think that Ready Player One shit is real.
I mean, I think that is going to be the future, whether it's 50 years from now or 150 years from now.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
There's going to come a time where people can't wait to just plug into this thing and put a helmet on and go into a crazy world where you can skateboard through the fucking stars.
tom papa
Look, I love all that stuff.
I invite it.
I would love to be a part of it.
Yeah, I mean, all that stuff is very exciting, and I see how it's plausible.
But there is a biological dimension to this that I think is inescapable.
Like, you'd have to do something to the human being to break them down to just be satisfied with that.
There'd have to be some component that comes over and...
Makes you feel like a hug.
Hits that part of your brain that does that thing.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
That's what they can do in that.
Remember in Ready Player One, they had those haptic feedback suits.
The girl touches him and he can feel it all over his body.
tom papa
I don't remember that part.
joe rogan
I do.
I wonder if that's where it's all going to go to.
I mean, if you look at how connected we are now to computers and to phones and to your Tesla and all this electronic shit that we have, it's just a matter of time.
This stuff's going to accelerate.
It's going to get more entrenched in your life.
tom papa
Right.
So what's the Elon model?
They're creating that for what?
joe rogan
Well, first steps is going to be for people that have injuries, where paralysis, they're going to be able to make their body function again, and he actually said even better.
Your body would function even better than it did before your spinal cord was severed.
You're going to be able to see.
People with vision issues are going to be able to fix that.
Brain issues, brain trauma, they're going to be able to fix that.
That's what the first applications of it's going to be.
And then eventually it's going to lead to higher bandwidth access to information.
And the way he was saying it, people are going to be much more productive when they're on it.
They're going to have it.
And it's something you're going to drill a hole in your head and put a fucking cork in there with wires that go into different parts of your brain and fire it up.
tom papa
Will this be done before I'm old?
joe rogan
He says like five years.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That'd be pretty cool.
joe rogan
So the first people that try will be people that are injured or people that have ailments.
tom papa
Right.
What about people whose knees hurt slightly when he goes upstairs?
joe rogan
Stop eating bread.
That stuff's making...
tom papa
There's no way!
joe rogan
...causing inflammation.
You can never not eat bread?
You just bake it and smell it.
tom papa
I could do that.
joe rogan
Just only greens and meat.
tom papa
It's so good to eat though.
Especially my bread.
It's so delicious.
joe rogan
Do you think you could only eat bread once a week?
You could have a bread day?
tom papa
I could.
joe rogan
What if you found out that bread was really bad for you?
If you go to a doctor and the doctor says, Tom, here's what's going on.
This is where you could be and this is where you are and this is what's holding you back.
All this fucking gluten.
You're eating this bread and it's fucking with your joints.
It's causing arthritis.
It's causing your cartilage to break down.
You're going to be crippled when you're older.
Or you can just have bread.
A little bit of mouth pleasure and some butter.
unidentified
Oh, you can't live without it, can you?
tom papa
In this mythical world that you're talking about, this made-up place where bread is bad for you, I guess I could play around, but my bread is good for you.
joe rogan
How's it possible?
tom papa
Flour, water, salt, and yeast.
It's the only thing that breaks itself down.
It's not bad for you.
In moderation, it's not bad for you.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
Please.
Centuries.
All the people that made you and all the DNA that had to carry you before you came out.
joe rogan
Do you get heirloom wheat flour?
tom papa
On bread.
Yep.
joe rogan
Do you get heirloom wheat flour?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
From Utah.
unidentified
From Utah.
joe rogan
For real?
tom papa
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
Utah again.
I should just live in Utah.
joe rogan
You might have to.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I know when I was in Italy, the pasta you eat does not make you feel fucked up.
tom papa
No, it doesn't.
joe rogan
And Maynard, you know, Maynard from Tool?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
He was explaining to me that when, you know, because he uses heirloom wheat for his pasta.
You know, he owns a couple of restaurants.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And he was saying that when human beings started fucking around, particularly in America, with wheat and sort of engineering it for higher yield, they made more complex gluten.
There's more glutens in the wheat, and it's a higher yield.
So if they have an acre of the old wheat, it would only grow a certain amount of wheat, and it's much more now for an acre of this new wheat.
But the problem is our bodies don't know how to digest it properly.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
That's why people develop all these fucking weird gluten intolerance issues that no one had before.
Also, when you go over here, everyone's so fat, but if you go to Italy where they eat pasta every day, they're not fat.
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
And, you know, I've said this a thousand times, but the other stuff that's in our bread that you get from the supermarket is making you sick.
It shouldn't be 30 ingredients.
There should be four ingredients.
Flour, water, salt, and yeast.
Preservatives?
Preservatives, sugars, different variations of sugar.
joe rogan
I bought some bread from the farmer's market.
It was stale in a day.
I bought some bread from the supermarket.
I bought it three weeks ago.
I had a sandwich the other day.
It was great.
unidentified
I know.
tom papa
It's still good.
I know.
It's crazy.
I know.
joe rogan
That's not good.
tom papa
It's not good.
Well, they're doing all this great stuff.
All these farmers are growing wheat that was grown in the region where they farm throughout the centuries.
So they're repopulating it with the stuff that was indigenous to that region.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does that make it better?
tom papa
Yeah, it makes it better because it's natural.
It's just real.
unidentified
What are you doing?
Are you going to make me smell it?
tom papa
I'm just going to show it to you.
I mean, I've given you a lot of bread.
Isn't that the best bread I've ever given you?
joe rogan
It smells very good.
tom papa
It's really good.
joe rogan
When did you bake this?
tom papa
That came out last night.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
I can't wait to eat it.
Let's let it sit there.
tom papa
So beautiful.
joe rogan
It's a masterpiece.
Look at that.
tom papa
I mean, I'm getting better.
joe rogan
You are.
Now, how do you eat your bread?
Do you ever put a little Nutella on it?
Do you get crazy?
tom papa
No.
You know, I gave Ali Wong a loaf of bread during quarantine.
I've been bringing bread to my friends, just dropping it off.
And her husband put...
It looked like...
A block of Nutella on it.
It was like more Nutella than bread.
joe rogan
I have a picture that was going to send to you.
tom papa
So good.
joe rogan
Of your bread with Nutella on it.
tom papa
My favorite is...
My favorite thing, I like doing lots of different stuff with it, but my favorite is cream cheese and sardines with capers.
joe rogan
Goddamn, I like what you're saying right now.
unidentified
Keep talking.
tom papa
It is so good.
joe rogan
I'm going to get my pants off.
Cream cheese and sardines.
That sounds fantastic.
tom papa
Oh, it's so good.
And some capers on it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
Here you go.
That's your bread with Nutella.
Look at that.
tom papa
Oh, that was my bread.
joe rogan
Oh, that's Onnit fat butter, actually.
That is the Onnit.
It's got hazelnut.
It's got chocolate.
That's actually good.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Good for you, that stuff.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
That's right.
tom papa
I've got to get some of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Ooh, that looks good.
joe rogan
Why did I think it was Nutella?
That's it before.
I got pre and after.
unidentified
Ooh, yeah.
joe rogan
It looks so good there.
tom papa
It does look good.
It's really good.
joe rogan
What's in there?
Does it say?
Does it say in the post?
tom papa
In the post.
joe rogan
Jamie, scroll up.
Chocolate hazelnut fat butter.
Yeah, baby.
tom papa
Chocolate hazelnut fat butter.
That's good for you?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Chocolate hazelnut fat butter.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Don't be a pussy.
tom papa
There's not one word in that.
joe rogan
Chocolate hazelnut fat butter.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good stuff.
Onnit fat butter is a great way to get healthy fats.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I love that stuff.
I just scoop it out.
Not usually the chocolate stuff, but they're different.
We have a bunch of different fat butters.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I scoop it out with spoons.
tom papa
Ooh, that's good.
joe rogan
Because it's healthy calories.
If you want a snack and you don't want to feel like a loser, just eat some of that.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
Now, I think back to what you were saying originally, would I be able to stop if they told me?
I think, you know, you can't eat carbs all the time and feel good.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
You can't.
I can't.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe can.
Tony Hinchcliffe weighs 18 pounds.
He eats pasta all day.
He's like a hummingbird.
tom papa
He really is.
joe rogan
He just burns it off.
tom papa
Frank Mance is going to rip his head off.
joe rogan
When he was on the podcast, he was joking around about it.
People would be so angry at me if they saw how I eat.
tom papa
That's funny.
joe rogan
Because he's so slim.
tom papa
He's so tiny.
joe rogan
He doesn't even have a hint of a gut.
tom papa
No, nothing.
joe rogan
It's true, too.
I've eaten with him after shows.
That fucking kid can eat.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That's annoying.
joe rogan
Tony throws down.
tom papa
Oh, that's annoying.
joe rogan
That man has an appetite.
He's not fucking around.
Yeah, it is annoying because he's got a fantastic genetic makeup in terms of being able to lose weight.
Or not gain weight, I should say.
He's never had to lose any weight.
But on the other hand, he can't gain any weight either.
I brought him lifting weights and that's as hilarious as his diet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Okay, I'm sorry to bring up an old subject, which I'm sure you've talked about a ton, but I've been working out more during quarantine than I have in the last five years.
joe rogan
What have you been doing?
tom papa
And I've been doing the Peloton for cardio.
unidentified
Cool.
tom papa
Because I don't want to run around.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
tom papa
It's really good.
I really love it.
I haven't skipped.
It's really great.
And then I have these dumbbells, you know, the adjustable gnawless ones?
joe rogan
Sure, yeah, yeah.
tom papa
I've been using those and doing those weights in the middle.
But everything I see online is all kettlebell all the time.
Is it that much better?
I've never worked out with a kettlebell in my life.
joe rogan
Well, you certainly can get a great workout with dumbbells.
tom papa
You can.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
tom papa
I mean, it feels great.
joe rogan
But I can show you how to use a kettlebell and you can get an understanding of why so many people like it after the podcast.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're really versatile.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the fact that you're swinging them, you're using a lot of your whole body, you're using your legs, you're using your core, and when you're balancing them, you're You're tightening your core, you're using your spine and your shoulders and your arms.
I love them, but I've loved them for a long time.
I just think it's a great exercise for functional strength, meaning like when I lift a lot of kettlebells and I do it a lot, I feel like when I do martial arts, I have more strength.
I move better, my legs move better, my body moves better.
Because you have to use everything, like, say if you're doing what Steve Maxwell would call a man-maker, I think that's like clean, press, squat, it might have renegade rows in there as well, but the sequences of movements, right?
You do these, like, you could burn yourself out really quick on these sequences of movements.
tom papa
Right, because the dumbbells are isolating.
They're good.
joe rogan
No, you can do cleans and presses and stuff with dumbbells.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just not the best thing for windmills or for some other kind of exercise that you can do with the kettlebells.
Kettlebells are just really, really versatile.
But it's hard to get one right now.
Everybody sold out when the quarantine hit.
Onnit, we're still sold out.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, we have a big sale that's going on right now at Onnit, but we don't have a sale through the whole month.
But the kettlebell sale doesn't kick in until the last week of the month because we don't even have them in stock.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
They just sold out?
We sold out so quick and it's hard to get them right now because a lot of these places that manufacture them are shut down because of the quarantine.
So they couldn't restock them for us.
tom papa
I wonder if now that sporting good places are open in LA, you can probably get stuff there.
joe rogan
Maybe.
But where are they getting it from?
tom papa
Yeah.
Whatever they had in stock before.
joe rogan
All these companies are out.
I know Rogue hired another company stateside, I believe in Rhode Island, to start making their kettlebells because they were getting a lot of their kettlebells overseas.
And, you know, just like fucking everything's shutting down, man.
tom papa
Right, right, right.
Yeah, they got to open it up.
joe rogan
But once you get them, there's so many great workouts that you could find online.
Keith Weber is a great resource.
He's a guy that I've talked about.
He's been on the podcast before, but he's got this great extreme kettlebell cardio workout that you could just use one 35-pound kettlebell and you get an amazing, amazing workout.
tom papa
Wow.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
I mean, just to vary it up, because we've been doing it for like two months or something.
joe rogan
I want to go somewhere.
I want to go to a yoga class.
I miss that.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
I miss being in a class with people.
I miss jujitsu.
tom papa
Oh, that's got to be driving you crazy.
joe rogan
I miss everything.
tom papa
You can't wrestle around.
joe rogan
The biggest thing I miss is comedy.
tom papa
Oh, 100%.
It's such a weird thing.
I think I talked about this with you on the phone, that It's not even like, oh, I just miss being up.
You slowly start to change.
I slowly go inward.
I feel like when I'm writing a lot, I get more insulated.
I get more to myself.
I feel like that just socially.
When I'm not performing, I'm crawling inside.
joe rogan
You mean when you're writing, you're doing great, which is available right now?
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Everywhere, wherever books are sold?
tom papa
It'll make you feel good.
It'll make you feel good.
Yeah, when I'm doing that, no joke, when I'm isolated and I'm in there cranking it out, I get a little different.
But then I could go out at night and be out and it resets it.
And this is now, being in quarantine is like I'm writing the book without having...
Any outlet.
joe rogan
Yeah, we miss that clubhouse environment.
I mean, the comedy store is a place where it's like all these comics that travel all over the country.
We get together and be with our own tribe, you know?
tom papa
Yeah, it's a big part of it.
I know.
joe rogan
It is a big part of it.
And now we're not even supposed to be...
I mean, people were at the beginning of this podcast like, why are you allowed to do that?
Like, they were saying I shouldn't even be allowed to do this.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Even if I was testing everybody.
I'm like, just look.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think it's also because people are out of work and they're like, why do you get to work?
Like, you know, it seems...
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
But why does anybody get to tell you you can't work?
That's what the real question should be.
tom papa
Yeah, no kidding.
joe rogan
That's the real question.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
I know.
You've got to get people back to work.
That's that thing.
That balance.
And it's like, I think we've gone pretty far that one way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And now you're going to really start hurting people.
joe rogan
Utah doesn't give a fuck.
They're like, let's go!
tom papa
Well, in controlled ways.
But, you know, they're not being mindless about it.
Texas, let's go!
They're not being irresponsible.
unidentified
Look at this.
tom papa
They're not saying, come out, old people.
joe rogan
California State University campuses to remain closed through fall semester.
You fucks.
They're gonna make California just a bunch of just veal.
We're gonna be veal over here.
The whole rest of the country is going to be out there getting that herd immunity.
tom papa
I wonder if they're going to charge you, like if you go to...
jamie vernon
All classes, 500,000 kids.
They're just students, I should say.
tom papa
Online?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom papa
Online, though.
joe rogan
Fuck off.
tom papa
I wonder if they'll still charge you full tuition and put it online.
joe rogan
Of course they will.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Of course they will.
Dude, fuck off with all this.
If I was going to college right now and I found out that this was California, I would switch.
I'd be like, I'm getting out of here.
100%.
tom papa
My daughter's not going to find out until July.
jamie vernon
You have to go move and play out-of-state tuition fees at another school now, because it's like state schools, so that's an option for a lot of people.
joe rogan
I would move.
tom papa
Oh, that's brutal.
joe rogan
Fuck it, I'm going to Texas.
Wouldn't you?
jamie vernon
I probably wouldn't be going to college right now.
unidentified
My daughter's going to go East Coast and she's not going to find out for a while.
joe rogan
For mental health, I think it's terrible for kids to be sitting in front of a fucking computer all day doing school with no friends around and not being able to mingle and have a good time.
tom papa
That's what my daughters call it.
School with no friends.
It's awful.
jamie vernon
This might lead to no football.
For the fall, because if these kids can't be on campus, then they're not going to be playing the games then.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, China, they're all spitting in each other's mouths and lifting weights.
They're getting ready to take over.
tom papa
Yeah, that's a good point, Jamie, because then...
They don't just play California schools.
They play the rest of the country.
jamie vernon
I was just looking up the Big Ten, which is where Ohio State plays.
There's a discussion of maybe just having an all-in-conference schedule so teams don't have to fly.
They can just drive buses.
joe rogan
I wonder how Vegas is going to handle it because, like I said, my friend Nick, his restaurant opened up at half capacity.
I have a show in Vegas that sold out at that park theater, whatever the fuck that is.
One next to the July.
tom papa
July?
joe rogan
First weekend in July.
jamie vernon
You've done outside comedy before.
Do you think that's a potential?
joe rogan
I don't enjoy it.
tom papa
The audience likes it, we don't like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's okay.
It's okay.
I mean, I did one in Mountain View in San Francisco this past year.
I did one in Salt Lake too.
This is not as good.
Dave and I did one in Salt Lake.
tom papa
The energy just goes up into the sky.
You don't get to really feel it.
It's not really that good.
jamie vernon
It's pretty good up in the sky.
tom papa
Oh jeez, there it goes.
jamie vernon
I've seen some drive-in things that have popped up in the last couple weeks.
I don't know how successful they've been.
tom papa
Music, right?
jamie vernon
EDM, and then I think a couple comedians have tried to do a parking lot comedy or something.
tom papa
Yeah.
My wife kept saying that I should do drive-in comedy.
She's like, do it before anyone else gets the idea.
joe rogan
She's like, yeah, you should go do drive-in comedy.
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
tom papa
I know.
She is kind of over me.
joe rogan
Yeah, people find out whether or not you really like somebody.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tom's not going to have anything.
tom papa
No, I'm okay.
joe rogan
He's terrified.
tom papa
I'm not terrified.
I love it.
joe rogan
A little horrified.
tom papa
I have to do two more things after this.
What are you going to do?
NPR, KPCC. Both those things.
joe rogan
Pot would help both of us.
tom papa
It's true.
Then I got to drive my car home.
joe rogan
Let the car drive yourself.
tom papa
It does drive itself.
It smells so good though.
joe rogan
Do you want some?
Little?
unidentified
Just a little baby.
tom papa
No.
No?
joe rogan
Okay.
Forget it.
The new driving option, the Tesla one that you have to pay for, have you done that?
tom papa
The what?
joe rogan
Self-driving thing.
This new update that came up that you actually pay for.
tom papa
No, I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a new one that came out.
tom papa
You have to pay for it?
joe rogan
Yeah, like $4,000.
tom papa
What?
Oh, maybe my car isn't equipped for it.
joe rogan
What year's your car?
tom papa
It's, what are we, 2020?
unidentified
It's probably 2015. Oh, it's a piece of shit.
joe rogan
It probably barely has any batteries.
tom papa
It's got great batteries.
joe rogan
It dies real quick, right?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Come on.
How fast does it go?
Slow as shit.
tom papa
Faster than I need it to.
unidentified
No.
tom papa
Yes!
joe rogan
Impossible.
tom papa
It's a killer.
joe rogan
You should have the new one.
tom papa
I should have the new one.
unidentified
This is ridiculous.
joe rogan
This is outrageous.
tom papa
You're right.
You're right.
I should update, but I think I'm probably missing some hardware, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
tom papa
For that.
What does it do?
joe rogan
I don't know if I haven't tried it yet.
Tesla's latest self-driving visualization comes to life in this impressive picture.
Oh, so it shows the cones.
That's interesting.
tom papa
Oh.
Yeah, because it's...
Oh, so it'll stop for things that...
joe rogan
Oh, so someone with a stop sign?
Wow, that's crazy.
It shows the stop sign.
It reads the stop sign.
tom papa
Will it stop for traffic lights?
That's the thing that mine does not do.
joe rogan
I don't think it does that yet.
tom papa
Well, then I'm not interested.
Then it's a lemon.
joe rogan
Tesla's autopilot...
Go back to that?
On V9, shows great improvements when it comes to rendering the surroundings on the screen, but I'm often getting these weird bugs when stopped or at low speeds.
Play that.
Let's see what that does.
What's the weird bug?
tom papa
Weird bugs.
joe rogan
Oh, people are just like moving around like ghosts and shit.
There's no one there.
Oh, that's weird.
Yeah.
Well, it's all electronics.
But then, have you heard of any viruses infecting Teslas?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Maybe I shouldn't have put that out there.
tom papa
Dude!
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
Have you heard?
tom papa
Dude!
joe rogan
I mean, I'm sure someone must have thought about it already.
tom papa
Yeah, I'm sure they've been trying to crack in.
joe rogan
I'm not the guy who's going to be the first one to think that up.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, I think...
Yeah, but there's certain things, there's like certain modes and stuff so that people don't mess with it.
Like a mode like to kind of shut off the computer.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's sentry mode too, right?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
How many people have caught keying in them?
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so weird, man.
People look around, no one's around, like, scratch the shit out of someone's car.
tom papa
Why would you do that?
joe rogan
Because they're angry.
tom papa
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
It's usually people that they don't even know the person.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They just decide this is a nice car.
They see this sweet Model 3 sitting there and just walk by with keys and scratch the shit out of it.
tom papa
What are they in Warriors, the movie?
joe rogan
I think that's why Elon made those Cybertrucks, like, bulletproof.
unidentified
It's got to be a way.
Got to fix this.
tom papa
Got to fix it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
And we're going to do it?
joe rogan
Make it all in a sheet metal steel.
jamie vernon
They do have some sort of hacking competition to look for bugs.
joe rogan
A group of hackers won a Tesla Model 3 and a $35,000 prize for hacking into its systems.
A Matt Kama and Richard Zhu, I hope I'm saying that right, of a team called Fluoroacetate.
Exposed to vulnerability in the vehicle system during the hacking competition.
The hackers targeted the infotainment.
That's a weird fake word.
Infotainment.
Which is it?
Is it information or is it entertainment?
tom papa
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
How about media system?
tom papa
How about the radio?
I don't like that infotainment word.
Infotainment.
joe rogan
It gets thrown around like a real word.
We have plenty of words that cover both of those things.
tom papa
No new word needed here.
joe rogan
We don't need to make hybrid words.
unidentified
It just seems like a weird time.
tom papa
How'd we get on the Tesla we were talking about?
joe rogan
Talking about your car driving itself if you got high.
tom papa
Oh, if I got high, right?
joe rogan
See, my memory's strong, even with the weed.
That's rare, though.
It's very unreliable.
My memory's super unreliable when I'm high.
tom papa
Yeah, no kidding, I know.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's great, though.
Sometimes I could pull things out of, you know...
tom papa
Out of the deep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
What's with all these old boxers coming back?
Evander Holyfield is coming back now, too.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yes.
Have you seen the Mike Tyson video?
He's like 65. Mike Tyson's coming back.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Yes.
You haven't seen?
Dude.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
Go to Mike Tyson's page for his most recent video on his Instagram.
Get ready for this.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Get ready for this, because he looks fucking sensational.
tom papa
What is he, 55?
53. I think.
Yeah?
joe rogan
I think he's a year older than I am.
I'm 52. But he looks fucking incredible.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
He was so terrible.
Was there anything more exciting than his fights?
joe rogan
They were a cultural event.
tom papa
Oh my God.
So exciting.
joe rogan
The only concern was that you were going to spend money and you weren't going to get it back.
unidentified
Look at this.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You needed volume so you can hear this too.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I mean, what in the fuck, dude?
tom papa
Oh my God.
unidentified
Dude, he looks like old...
tom papa
I'm back.
joe rogan
You know what's really funny?
He said on the podcast when he was in here, he said he didn't want to work out again because his ego would get fired up again.
And he's actually said that in his post that my ego had been reignited.
tom papa
Does that mean his rage?
joe rogan
No.
See if you can find it.
tom papa
That his ego would be...
Because he's like being Zen and doesn't want to...
joe rogan
He gave a statement about it saying that like his ego has been reignited.
tom papa
Good for him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Good for us.
joe rogan
He said something about how the gods of war have brought him out again.
It was like really heavy-duty shit.
I think it's real recent.
Real recent.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
See if you can find the quote.
But it was like, oh my god.
tom papa
When you were with him.
joe rogan
The gods of war have reignited my ego.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And I'm ready to go again.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jeez.
He's gonna fight.
tom papa
How do you think he'd fare against a 28-year-old?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It depends on the 28-year-old.
But I think that you for sure need a guy who's really good at fighting to keep him off you.
Even if you're in your 20s.
Here, Mike Tyson explains his desire to fight again.
I feel unstoppable now.
The gods of war have reawakened me.
And he said something about his ego firing up.
See if you can find that quote.
He was so deadly.
Because that was one of the things that he actually talked about in the podcast.
Yeah, the gods of war have awakened me.
They've reignited my ego and want me to go to war again.
tom papa
Holy shit, that's so terrifying!
joe rogan
That's so terrifying!
Here's the thing, man.
If they don't drug test them, They don't test him for hormones.
Things are way different.
What do you mean?
Because if he takes hormones, if he's taking testosterone and growth hormone, thyroid hormone, all the things that people do when they take hormone replacement therapy, your body functions way better at a way later age.
It's different.
It's very different.
If we're talking about being a 53-year-old man in 1985, there's no chance.
Everybody fell apart.
You'd have to be a really, really, really rare person who doesn't take hormones and can perform like a 30-year-old when you're in your 50s.
But when you're on hormones...
You can kind of do it.
There's a few guys that were in the UFC. One of the bigger examples is Vitor Belfort.
Vitor Belfort, who's a phenomenal fighter, a real legend.
He won the first tournament that I ever worked on.
That was at UFC 12 in 1997. So he was 19 years old back then.
And then when he was in his late 30s, he had a giant resurgence.
And it was when they made testosterone replacement therapy legal for fighters.
So there was a bunch of fighters that got on these testosterone replacement therapy exemptions.
So they're taking testosterone, but they had an old man's brain.
But their body moved like a younger man.
So it's basically they had all of the experience of a lifetime of fighting, but because of the hormones, their body actually performed like someone way, way younger than them.
tom papa
Like how much younger do you think?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It depends on the body.
It depends on what kind of damage you're dealing with, what's wrong with you, whether or not it can bring you back 10 years or five years or who knows.
But with these fighters, the thing is they were never really out of shape.
And some of them, there's quite a few of them, in fact, and I'm not going to name any names, but some of them needed those hormones because they had done steroids.
So when you do steroids, it shuts down your endocrine system.
Your endocrine system doesn't make the proper hormones anymore.
And so they needed...
It was a real weird sort of conundrum because everyone kind of knew this, but there was a weird loophole that went on for a few years.
It was a real gray area in MMA. And so say a fighter could go to the doctor and say, hey, I want to get a blood test and see what my testosterone levels are because I am feeling very tired.
And they look at it and they test.
They go, oh, look at this.
Your testosterone levels are low.
You could take this hormone and inject it into your body every week.
Now you're eligible for testosterone replacement therapy.
But the thing is...
They might have, like, the whole reason why they needed it in the first place might have been that they were using it illegally.
So it's a weird thing you're rewarding because the testing wasn't very good.
And some of these guys that are a part of this, were a part of this testosterone replacement therapy thing, they were ones that were kind of accused of possibly using performance-enhancing drugs in the past.
So then they get to use them legally.
tom papa
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
And Vitor, dude, I'm telling you, everyone in the MMA community would talk about TRT Vitor.
Because TRT Vitor was a guy who was in his 30s, he'd been fighting a long fucking time, but all of a sudden he was moving like a demon again and just smashing people.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You ever see him fight?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Do me a favor, pull up Vitor Belfort versus Luke Rockhold.
Because that was one of the perfect examples.
And they're fighting, I don't know if it was in Brazil or what, but Vitor had muscles on his teeth when he was weighing in for that fight.
It was crazy.
And he just blitzkrieged Luke Rockhold.
tom papa
And it was okay to do.
joe rogan
It was legal.
What he was doing was legal.
And then it took a while before everybody went, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
tom papa
What the fuck?
joe rogan
What's going on?
This is not...
We can't do this.
And so then the UFC went the whole other way.
And they brought in USADA. The US Anti-Doping Agency now handles everything.
And they randomly test fighters in the middle of the night.
And people get popped for stuff all the time.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're really strict, man.
tom papa
Do you think they should be?
joe rogan
Calvin Gaslam just got popped for marijuana.
They have a pretty liberal range.
It's a pretty generous range that you can have.
So watch this.
First of all, look at Vitor.
He's the one in the red.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just fucking shred it.
Now watch this wheel kick.
Check this out.
Set it up.
Bang!
Dude, dude, fucking Vitor, when he was on the TRT, was one of the scariest guys that ever lived.
tom papa
Look at his back, up into his traps.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at him.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, dudes avoided the fuck out of him.
unidentified
Look at this wheelchair.
tom papa
Oh god.
joe rogan
Dude.
tom papa
It's like a pit bull.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
He looked like a demon.
He looked like a demon back then.
There's a few of his fights from that era that were just absolutely terrifying.
tom papa
Do you think that it should be that strict against these drugs in the fighting?
Yes.
It should, yeah.
joe rogan
It's because it's competition.
tom papa
Keep it pure, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not for your health.
I mean, I take testosterone replacement.
I think for your health, it's a good move when you get older.
It makes your body work better.
But for fighting, there's a weird gray area.
Like, when should it be legal?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to let people take it after they're 45?
Right.
My point is, if they don't test Tyson and Holyfield and all these guys for testosterone replacement and growth, we might see some crazy shots.
tom papa
We might see some great fights.
Some fun pay-per-view.
joe rogan
I do not know.
Maybe he's not on anything, and maybe he's just a special athlete.
Lord knows, Herschel Walker was.
Herschel Walker was a guy who fought in Strikeforce after he played in the NFL and was really successful.
It was terrifying.
People were avoiding him.
People that were lifelong martial artists were like, fuck that guy.
Because he was a super athlete.
And obviously Mike Tyson was a super athlete when he was young.
No one when they're 20 usually can move like that.
And here he is, 53, moving like a world champ, throwing bombs.
Again, it's only on the pads.
We don't know what happens if he spars.
tom papa
But still, you're like the praying mantis if he makes the first move.
unidentified
You have to...
tom papa
He's going to rip your head off.
joe rogan
You have to look at that and go, look, look, look, look.
Let's not get crazy.
Look how fast he's going!
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Look how scary he is!
That's what makes us think of Mike Tyson when he was in his prom.
tom papa
Oh, when he'd come out, no socks.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom papa
Just those leathers.
joe rogan
Dude, my favorite ever was the Marvis Frazier fight because it was really like an execution.
Yeah.
Marvis Frazier also was a really good fighter and was Joe Frazier's son.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you knew what was going to happen.
tom papa
In like 20 seconds.
joe rogan
Tyson was just...
He was a different thing, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
He just came into the ring.
joe rogan
We'd never seen a boxer like him before.
No.
Where it was just like every fight was an execution.
tom papa
It was brutal.
unidentified
It was brutal.
tom papa
No frills, no nothing.
joe rogan
No socks, no robe most of the time.
tom papa
Just coming to the ring.
joe rogan
Sometimes he had a towel around his neck.
Sometimes he didn't even have that.
tom papa
God, he wasn't going to be there long.
joe rogan
No, man.
And you would see the look in the guy's eyes when you would see him across the ring like, oh my god, what the fuck did I sign up for?
tom papa
So exciting.
When you were with him when he was here, do you feel like this is still a menacing physical guy?
Or did you feel like...
joe rogan
Well, he's real nice.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
He's a real nice guy, but he's still...
tom papa
But you still have that, you know, guys that were tough in their youth, you still feel that thing.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, but he's terrifying.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who said it best?
What was the UFC fighter that was saying, like, it's like hanging out with a...
Oh, was it Kevin Lee?
I think it was Kevin Lee.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It sounds like something Kevin would say.
He goes, it's like you're next to a lion.
unidentified
And he's like, oh yeah, that's Mike Tyson.
joe rogan
Like, that way to describe it is the perfect way to describe being around him.
tom papa
That's perfect.
joe rogan
You just want him to like you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You want to be nice to him.
tom papa
Be cool, be cool.
joe rogan
And you can't believe he's here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he's here.
tom papa
No, it's like a mythical figure sitting next to you.
joe rogan
Dude, he asked me about fighting.
Like, what did I ever do?
And I've never felt more like a fraud in my life.
Just tell him about the stupid shit that I've done.
I did little Taekwondo tournaments and had a couple kickboxing fights.
I felt like such a bitch.
I could feel it.
I could feel it in the air.
He's a cultural icon.
If you stop and think about it, from our generation, to be around him is like, what?
Are you a real thing?
You're right here?
tom papa
It's like being with Thor or Zeus.
Really?
It's like, oh, you came out of the sky and you're talking to me now.
He was a legend.
joe rogan
He's going to fight someone and they don't have a fight scheduled, but also Evander Holyfield.
Go to Evander Holyfield's YouTube.
tom papa
I'm thinking he doesn't look as fast.
joe rogan
Nope, he doesn't, but he still looks good.
I'm sorry, his Instagram, not his YouTube.
His Instagram, he posted this video of him throwing punches, and he said, this is me at 60%.
Who wants to see 70%?
I've been doing this my whole life.
Yeah.
It was interesting because as a person who's a giant boxing fan, and I am, I see what Holyfield's doing.
What Holyfield's doing is he saw the Mike Tyson thing.
He saw Mike Tyson looking amazing, and then that fire just got Click!
Got turned on, and he's doing it slow and deliberate.
So here he is, like, running, shadowboxing, and then there's videos of him.
He's jumping rope again, doing sit-ups.
tom papa
He's in good shape.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, he was in great shape when he was here.
But look at this.
Shadowboxing, and then there's a video of him.
That looks pretty good.
Let me go to all the videos.
tom papa
Did I mention I've been doing the dumbbells?
joe rogan
I think it's that...
unidentified
That's not it.
joe rogan
Is that it?
I think it was before that.
I think it was before that.
tom papa
You think that'll be the fight?
joe rogan
That's the announcement, but there was another one of him where it said, this is me at 60%.
Who wants to see 70%?
tom papa
Jeez, look at him in the prime.
God.
joe rogan
Nope.
Nope.
What does it say there?
tom papa
Did you see him in his prime?
joe rogan
It was really recent.
It's him.
He's hitting the bag.
He's doing some other stuff.
tom papa
He was tough.
joe rogan
Oh, he was amazing.
He's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
Either way, that's okay.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
But he's basically him going through a workout.
He's throwing some punches, hitting the bag, throwing some uppercuts, and you're like, wow.
tom papa
What if it's a Tyson-Holyfield fight?
joe rogan
Dude, that's the fight.
If you were going to make a crazy fight of two 50-year-old guys, that's the fight.
tom papa
People would pay for that for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
Oh, fuck yeah, they would.
But here's the thing.
Do you just jump right into that?
tom papa
Yes, you do.
joe rogan
Do you let Tyson fight a bartender first?
tom papa
Just from a promo standpoint to get everyone excited?
joe rogan
Well there was a guy who's a rugby player who's I believe he's 7-0 in boxing.
I think they offered Tyson a fight to fight that guy and I think his thought is no he wants to fight a real boxer like not just a guy who's like a hobbyist.
tom papa
Right.
Yeah let him take down some tomato can.
I've been training lately, too.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness, 54-year-old Lennox Lewis.
Hey man, imagine if in this day and age the three of them have like a fucking fight-off, you know, like a Super 6 tournament.
tom papa
Fuck, that would be crazy!
They can take testosterone, these guys?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
Would that be okay?
In the Boxing Federation?
joe rogan
I don't know where they get it done.
I don't know who does the testing, what the rules are.
It would vary on the state athletic commissions.
You could always do things on tribal land.
They have their own rules.
You could always make agreements, like the fighter can't take more than this or that, and you have to be within this level or that level.
Because you don't want guys juiced up on some psycho drugs.
tom papa
No, no.
joe rogan
Because also, if you're not going to drug test at all, there's other stuff that people could take.
People take Adderall and fight.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
Just for focus?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen people who actually were on Adderall who were told by the Athletic Commission that they couldn't take the Adderall.
They had to get off of it and then they had to wean themselves off and then come back and fight.
tom papa
Geez.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was quite a bit of an issue because there's guys who were prescribed it by the doctors.
You know, they have ADHD or something.
And they're on this Adderall and the Athletic Commission was like, no sir.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
You know, I did a baseball event.
It was the all-star game for softball.
The softball game before the all-star game the next day.
Celebrity legends thing.
And you get to play with all the baseball players.
And I hang out with the baseball players, and they were all talking about how in the 70s and 80s, When you were pitching, you would put amphetamines in the coffee because you wanted everybody to be super alert and be able to see stuff and you wanted everybody to play your best while you were pitching.
It was just common.
People were taking pills and stuff all the time.
joe rogan
And then focus for the batters as well, right?
tom papa
Yeah, so their team would win while you're pitching.
joe rogan
They would see the ball as a big...
Yeah, I've never done them.
tom papa
Me neither.
joe rogan
But I know a lot of pool players who really got into amphetamines during gambling events.
Because the pool culture is very strange when it comes to gambling.
One of the big things is they play until someone quits.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, you can win, like you can say, okay, we'll do a race to 10, and if you beat me, and if I want to play you a second race, and you just bail, you get a bad reputation in the world of gamblers.
The idea is, and this is very debatable, some guys don't feel bad about stopping early, and some guys do, but the old school hardcore guys would never quit.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That's like a scene in The Hustler with Jackie Gleason and Paul Newman.
tom papa
Swears them down.
joe rogan
They go all night, and then all through the next night.
tom papa
He has a breakdown.
He's just all sweaty.
And then...
joe rogan
His character cracks.
tom papa
And Fats starts putting himself together.
He's like, oh, it was better at the end.
joe rogan
Yep, he washes his hands.
tom papa
So great.
joe rogan
Yeah, he changes his suit.
tom papa
Tightens his tie.
joe rogan
Powdered his hands up.
tom papa
Like a baby, Fats.
joe rogan
And he goes...
Yeah.
He goes, uh, Fast Eddie, let's play some pool.
And then Paul Newman's drunk.
I mean, it's a classic scene.
tom papa
So great.
joe rogan
But it's a realistic scene in terms of, like, the culture of, like, hardcore gamblers in pool.
And in the 70s and the 80s, when gambling was a really big thing...
With pool players who travel all across the country.
There's all these great road stories.
There's one by David McCumber about my friend Tony Anagoni.
It's called Playing Off the Rail.
And it's all about them just traveling from town to town gambling.
tom papa
Wow, that's great.
joe rogan
But Tony would do it completely naturally.
Tony was just a strong-minded, really good pool player who would do it With no drugs.
But other guys would take hardcore amphetamines and be up for days.
It was famous that guys would have these sessions.
You would go home and go to bed.
And then you call a pool hall at noon, like, they're still going.
Like, what?
And they went all through the night, and they played all through the day.
So you would go down there, like, after lunch.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It'd be three in the afternoon, and these guys who'd been playing pool from 7 p.m.
the night before were still playing.
And still talking shit to each other, and they're all just gacked up on speed.
unidentified
Wow!
tom papa
Until somebody broke.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was speed guys and then there was the guys who were the natural guys who get mad at the speed guys.
He needs that shit in his system.
unidentified
He can't fucking play me like a man.
tom papa
Should I take testosterone?
Would it make me feel more?
joe rogan
You should go to a doctor and find out what your testosterone levels are.
tom papa
When I went for my physical, it wasn't low.
Oh, you're good to go.
It's got to be lower than it was when I was 17. I'm sure it is.
joe rogan
And there's some strategies to lift it up, and one of the best ones is stop eating bread.
Sorry.
tom papa
What?
unidentified
God damn it!
joe rogan
Some people think that's actually true.
Some people think that one of the best ways to keep your hormones strong is to have less inflammation in your body.
tom papa
Less.
joe rogan
And carnivore diet, like any diet where you're eating very little carbs.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably will boost it a little bit.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good for people that have autoimmune issues for some strange reason.
When people cut out bread and pasta and sugar and even vegetables, some people with psoriasis, it just goes away.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
That's weird, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
That's extreme.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I did it for a month.
It's a weird way to live your life.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You get tired of...
tom papa
It does feel great, though, to, you know, I'm not going to live that way, but when it's just, when you don't have any of that and just have some of your elk or whatever and vegetables and just eggs the next morning and just, even just for like two days, you feel like different.
Really, you feel different.
joe rogan
It's like a person who doesn't fly.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're eating healthy food, I mean, healthy food is the number one building block for your body.
You have to think about it like if you're making your body...
Your body is essentially building itself up all the time and regenerating tissue and regenerating cells, right?
We all know this.
If that's happening, what is it doing it with?
What are you providing?
What kind of protein?
What kind of vitamins?
tom papa
Cool Ranch Doritos!
Holy cow!
unidentified
We're going to have to build a house with this shit!
joe rogan
And it's got to build your body with this horrible foundation.
You should almost look at it that way.
tom papa
Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.
joe rogan
I don't think there's anything wrong with eating a little bit of bullshit every now and then.
tom papa
Sure.
joe rogan
But you're literally using it as fuel to power your body.
You want to give it the best fuel possible.
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
joe rogan
I know people like my friend Cam Haynes.
He pours water into cereal because he won't use dairy.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
What about a nut milk?
joe rogan
You'd never catch that motherfucker drinking nut milk.
tom papa
Nice little almond milk.
joe rogan
It's too hard.
tom papa
It's too hard of a man.
joe rogan
But he pours water onto cereal.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Just don't eat cereal, man.
tom papa
Don't eat cereal, yeah.
joe rogan
If he wants the cereal, he just doesn't want any dairy.
Some people just look at food as fuel.
unidentified
It's just fuel.
tom papa
I know, I know.
joe rogan
That's all it is.
tom papa
Yeah, and look, if you're living that way, that's fine.
joe rogan
Not me, baby.
tom papa
Not me, baby.
A bottle of wine, some nice bread, some nice cheese.
Once in a while, sit outside with your wife and just have a nice little moment.
That's not about fuel.
That's about something else.
It's about living your life.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's enjoyment.
There's pleasure in those meals.
tom papa
Yes, 100%.
joe rogan
Yeah, like pasta.
I was talking to Adam Perry Lang about food, what he calls comfort food.
I'm like, yeah, that's a good name for it, that expression that people love to use, comfort food.
tom papa
Comfort food.
joe rogan
Yeah, because that's kind of what's happening.
It's like giving you a hug in your mouth.
tom papa
It is, yeah.
It's a big cuddly grandma's boob.
joe rogan
Some real good mac and cheese.
tom papa
Right in between grandma's big boobs and her house dress.
joe rogan
Yes.
You smell the flower on her apron.
tom papa
Yeah, come on.
Oh, whatever you grew up with like that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It could just make you five again.
joe rogan
Especially like things that are like cheesy, like stews or, you know, like just pasta with melted cheese and soft, like lasagna.
tom papa
Oh, come on.
Come on.
joe rogan
Lasagna is such a great creation.
tom papa
Oh, it's so good.
joe rogan
Whatever wizard figured out how to put together that concoction.
Because think of what they're doing like, hold on, I got a fucking idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
We take some pasta on the bottom.
We took some pasta on the bottom.
unidentified
I'm going to put a pasta on the bottom.
I'm going to put a sauce.
I'm going to put a cheese.
More pasta.
tom papa
Don't forget the meat.
Don't forget the meat.
joe rogan
Oh, the fucking pork.
It's all about the pork.
tom papa
We are going to have three times meat.
Three times meat.
joe rogan
He just stacked it in there like this meat and pasta cheese sandwich.
tom papa
Another layer?
unidentified
Yeah, another layer!
joe rogan
And then the tomato sauce.
And you know there's no ifs, ands, or buts.
That's not good for you.
You don't give a fuck.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
No one's got nutritious pasta that's like lasagna.
tom papa
There has never been an athlete that was at the podium with a medal around his neck saying, I'd like to thank the people that made my lasagna.
joe rogan
There's something about it, though.
Like when you're eating it, you're like, I don't give a fuck.
I don't care if this is bad for me.
This is so good.
tom papa
I make that on Christmas Eve.
joe rogan
Oh, it's such a good thing to make.
tom papa
Oh, and it becomes like, you know, because it's a lot of work.
You're only doing that a couple times a year.
And when you do it, like now the kids all think of Christmas Eve as the time for the lasagna.
I mean, that's memories, that's love, that's all of that stuff wrapped into one.
joe rogan
My grandmother used to make her own pasta.
She did everything.
Everything was homemade.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was crazy.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
I grew up with that.
When I was a little kid, I remember when I was over at their house, my grandmother, she had the rolling pin, the flour, and she's making the dough, and she's pressing everything and pouring the flour on it and pressing it again.
tom papa
A master.
Where was this?
Where was she?
joe rogan
Jersey.
New Jersey.
She was reckless, this lady.
She would cut a loaf of bread towards her with a giant-ass knife.
Like this.
I'm like, your tits, Grandma!
Your tits are right there!
Don't cut yourself!
I kept thinking, she's gonna cut herself.
Never.
tom papa
She's been doing it every day for her whole life.
joe rogan
Yeah, her whole fucking life.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
Reckless lady.
tom papa
Oh, that's the best.
joe rogan
Cut towards your tit with a giant old knife.
tom papa
But you knew when you walked in there you were going to be fed.
joe rogan
The only thing they didn't make is bread.
We would get bread.
My grandfather had two places he would go in the neighborhood that we would go, and he would take me on a walk with him to get the bread.
It was only a couple of blocks away.
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
It was wild, man.
Italian immigrant cooking.
tom papa
That was my grandparents, too.
And what was amazing, too, is...
Even when they weren't going all out, if they just did something simple, it was like the most mind-blowing.
She used to make the escarole, which was just like this leafy, oh, just Tommy, just take this, take a little piece of bread, just have that.
And it was like, come on.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Come on, to your knees.
joe rogan
Yes.
She would make these little twists, these little pasta twists.
And it was all fresh pasta.
So when you bite into it, it was like it had this chew to it that was so satisfying.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
With the homemade tomato sauce.
Bro, it all came from my grandfather's tomatoes that he would grow in the backyard.
She would do the whole thing from scratch.
Boil the tomatoes and make the sauce and add the garlic.
The kitchen, you'd walk in and you'd be like, I'm fucking starving.
tom papa
What is happening in here?
I always said as soon as I got out of the car in the driveway, the smell would just carry you into the house.
joe rogan
Oh, the tomato sauce.
unidentified
The smell.
tom papa
So good.
joe rogan
The garlic.
tom papa
Good for your soul.
Good for your soul.
joe rogan
I'll never forget that, man.
I'll never forget watching her make things.
She wanted to make it for everybody.
She wanted everybody to eat her homemade pasta.
tom papa
Oh, she knew she was good at it.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
We would go crazy.
She would serve us and she'd just look at us and be like, oh my god, grandma.
tom papa
Was it a big family?
Did you have cousins and stuff?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody would come over.
Before she got sick, she had a stroke.
tom papa
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
It was horrible, man.
How old?
She wasn't that old and she lived for another 12 years.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
They thought that she had 48 hours to live.
The doctor was like, you know, she's got maybe 72 or something.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Say goodbye.
She's in bad shape.
tom papa
12 years.
joe rogan
She had a stroke, and no one knew.
She fell down outside.
She had a hemorrhage, and she fell down outside, and they didn't find her for a half hour or something.
No one knew that she'd been out there.
tom papa
That's the whole key with stroke is speed.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what they say, right?
tom papa
But we only learned that last week.
Oh, that's brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah, aneurysms are crazy, right?
Everything's fine, and then one day, just boom, things start bleeding.
tom papa
No, I don't like to think of those at all.
joe rogan
It's terrifying.
tom papa
God, but you got enough years in where she was cooking?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it was also, I did, but it was also just for life, for me, for a life lesson, to see someone who you knew was, you know, always like this larger-than-life character.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
My grandmother was, she was really fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She was really weird, too.
She would wear wigs and shit.
Yeah.
She was a strange lady, but a powerful lady.
And then to see her confined to a bed for the rest of the time that I saw her.
And then when I moved to New York, when I was 23 or 24, when I first moved to New York, I stayed with them because I didn't have any money.
And my grandparents lived in this neighborhood that was really deteriorating.
Their next door neighbor, like the fucking, the DEA broke down his front door with a battering ram.
He was sat on crack and shit.
tom papa
Shit.
Oh man.
joe rogan
Heavy.
The neighborhood got heavy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But to stay with them while, you know, they're in the twilight of their life, and my grandmother was in really bad shape.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So she would, like, moan all the time, make these horrible noises.
tom papa
Oh, really?
For years, kind of a thing?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It lasted a long time, man.
But it made me, the lesson was, okay, you have to really savor the moment because they can go away.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They can go away quick.
And also, you got to take care of your body.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you have to.
And no one from her generation did.
unidentified
Forget it.
joe rogan
They were just trying to survive, man.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
She was a kid during the depression.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So people that were kids during the depression, man, they were scared.
tom papa
Yeah, they didn't eat.
I mean, they had no joke.
Not like, now I'm starving.
Like, real starving.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, terrifying.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Terrifying times.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, and you saw how they treated food that whole generation.
Like, my grandmother wouldn't throw anything out.
There was no waste.
Because they always felt like a ride around the corner could be another time when you're not going to have it.
joe rogan
Also, you didn't cook anything new.
You just ate the leftovers.
You had to eat your fucking leftovers before you cooked some new shit.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
I know.
I know.
I always feel wasteful when I think of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's one thing that hunting does, for sure.
Like, you feel very differently about things that you don't use.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not the same.
It's like, if I don't use, you know, a piece of chicken, I don't feel as bad.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But if I don't use a piece of elk, I'm like, oh my god, I feel terrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm always erring in the side of cooking too little.
Or I make some so I can eat the next day.
But I eat it the next day.
Like, I like to eat it with...
Like, there's a chipotle lime mayonnaise that Primal Kitchen makes.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
It's like avocado oil mayonnaise, and it's got a little bit of kick to it.
I eat the elk in the morning with that.
tom papa
The cold elk?
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cold elk with this chipotle lime.
tom papa
Oh, that's good.
joe rogan
Mayo.
Oh, it's so good.
Yeah, it's avocado oil.
tom papa
Oh, man, oh, man.
Super good for you.
joe rogan
It tastes delicious.
tom papa
That's so good.
joe rogan
And it gives you the fats, too, because, you know, that elk's super lean.
tom papa
Yeah, that's so good.
That stuff is so good.
I mean, I've been living on it all during quarantine.
joe rogan
It's crazy, right?
tom papa
So good.
So good.
I mean, even like when I bought one steak during the time from the supermarket, and it just wasn't as good.
It's different.
Yeah, I can't even explain why.
joe rogan
It's just a different kind of meat.
tom papa
Yeah, it's just...
joe rogan
You've got to realize, those are warriors.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're eating warriors.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know them.
I snuck up on them.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
This is not conjecture.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is fact.
tom papa
This isn't from a pen.
joe rogan
I was actually there while they were screaming.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
You got to honor that.
joe rogan
There's not, it's a connection to it.
First of all, it's better for you, for sure.
Like, it feels better for you.
Like, God damn, this is good.
And also, there's a connection that just doesn't exist with your food in any other way.
It's even if you grow something.
Growing something is great.
Like, I've grown vegetables and fruit and stuff and eaten it.
It feels good that you're eating something new.
tom papa
Oh, 100%.
joe rogan
But when you eat a piece of elk from an animal that you stalked, shot with a bow and arrow, that's off the charts.
That connection's off the charts.
tom papa
It's gotta be.
I mean, because even just knowing you and knowing that you hunted for it has an effect on my eating it.
joe rogan
Dude, I can show you a video of that animal getting shot.
You can almost be there when it happened.
Yeah, it's heavy.
tom papa
It's different.
It's totally different.
joe rogan
Well, this is a thing that happened during this quarantine.
So many people got interested in hunting.
Big shift.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Giant shift.
Because people realize, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
This whole food supply chain, this might not be stable.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
Like, if you can't drive a truck because everybody's got the zombie plague.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like, how the fuck do I get a hamburger?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't get a hamburger.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Look at Wendy's is out of hamburgers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know about that?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Wendy's.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Fucking Wendy's.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They ran out of hamburgers.
unidentified
Shh.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't have any beef.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Right, so that's not everywhere, and they don't want people to fucking panic, and they think they can solve all this.
And in fact, I think, didn't the government step in and say they were going to start buying people's meat and milk to make sure that the supply chain doesn't get interrupted because of financial hardship?
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
And they want to make sure these farms don't fucking go under.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
We're not growing anything.
We're not...
Where are we getting our food?
So there's a lot of people that started thinking about hunting.
tom papa
A lot.
Isn't it funny?
Like all that stuff.
Cooking at home.
joe rogan
How about guns?
tom papa
The bread baking at home.
The hunting.
All those things that you had to do for centuries.
And then only in this brief moment have you not had to do any of that stuff.
You know what I mean?
Those food chains like Wendy's.
I mean that's a new thing that became that easy.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden it's back to being worried about where the food comes from.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like that.
tom papa
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Well, Wendy's says they have plenty of burgers, but they had a small problem at some stores because they deliver fresh beef and they want to keep it fresh.
joe rogan
Yeah, they ran out.
They ran out.
tom papa
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Nobody ever thought that would happen to some Wendy's places.
How many stores was it where they ran out of it?
jamie vernon
Some.
joe rogan
It's all of them, bitch.
Stop lying.
jamie vernon
You ran out of beef.
joe rogan
It's really ironic because remember their commercial?
tom papa
Where's the beef?
jamie vernon
That's literally the thing they put back out.
Like, where's the beef?
They're really good at Twitter.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what they said?
Since you've been asking.
tom papa
Funny.
joe rogan
Well, it's because that's why their burgers are delicious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you have a choice, like, 1 o'clock in the morning, that's my spot.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if there's nothing else open.
If I go to Wendy's, it's way better than most of those places.
tom papa
I never go there.
joe rogan
It's fresh!
tom papa
Eating the elk too, what's interesting is, and it might be what they add to it, but if I go to a steakhouse and have a steak, I can't sleep that night.
I'm having meat sweats in your gut.
Yeah, it feels weird.
I could eat the same amount of the elk, and I think I just digest it quicker.
joe rogan
I think all that bread bacteria in your stomach, it won't tolerate any incoming troops from other factories.
You son of a bitch.
You know, because you get the gut flora, I think.
You know how that happens?
Like if people that eat a lot of sugar, for instance, you eat a lot of candy, your body starts craving that shit, and your gut flora wants candy all the time.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
What is that candida?
That's what it's called, that type of...
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of the gut floras.
tom papa
Right.
No, I have really good gut flora.
joe rogan
Mouth of steak.
tom papa
But yeah, like if I eat a big steak at a steak, but it's also tons of butter and, you know, who knows what else you're eating with it.
But I think the elk is just lean.
I think it's just lean.
joe rogan
It's very different.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It has an energy to it, too.
Yeah.
Deer meat does as well.
Deer meat has an energy to it.
Yeah.
tom papa
That's what my brother-in-law and sister, he in Jersey from hunting.
They're just living on that.
joe rogan
Do you think you could ever hunt?
tom papa
I don't know.
I think probably.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what you should try?
tom papa
I could hunt.
joe rogan
You should try to go to Lanai.
tom papa
Lanai?
joe rogan
Yeah, because there's an animal there called an axis deer that we hunt, and it's really delicious.
It's also an invasive species.
They have way too many of them.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They hire snipers to come in and shoot the deer.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's not like anything you've ever seen.
Yeah.
Lanai has 3,000 people, super nice people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really cool place.
30,000 deer.
unidentified
Whew.
joe rogan
Dude, it's crazy.
These are just estimates.
Might be 20,000, might be 30,000.
They don't know.
There's so many, man.
tom papa
So does it even feel like hunting?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, for me, because I'm doing it with a bow and arrow, it's very difficult.
Very difficult.
But for a rifle hunter, it's 100% success rate.
tom papa
Right.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
But you will actually be doing good.
See, the thing is, you can look at it one way.
You can say, oh, is it even hunting?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, what's your goal?
Is your goal for it to be really difficult or is your goal to be successful in gathering meat in an ethical way?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So if your goal is just to get the meat in an ethical way, it's 100% successful.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And it's 100% a good thing to do because they have to do it anyway.
And the food is great for you.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, look, it's kind of similar to golf in a way.
Golf is a really great game.
It's thoughtful.
There's bonding with it.
It's challenging.
It's all that stuff.
And then there's a faction of it that's filled with douchebags.
Filled with guys who you don't want to talk to, you don't want to be friends with, who are just big blowhard douchebags.
joe rogan
Finance guys.
tom papa
Right.
And there's, I'm sure, in hunting and in everything else, there's that same thing.
It's people like, what you just described is like, I would do that in a second.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And then there's other people that just kind of like abuse it and have like, we're throwing our beer cans into the world.
joe rogan
There's way less of those people than you would imagine.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's way more people that respect it.
tom papa
That's good.
joe rogan
But there's also different kinds of hunting.
There's mountain hunting in Colorado or Utah or Wyoming or Montana.
That's the hardest shit.
tom papa
That's gorgeous, though.
joe rogan
There's a special level of hunter that's a fitness fanatic, backpacking.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That's the top of the food chain world.
It's like the bow hunter that lives off his back, that goes into public ground and hikes 9, 10, 10, 12 miles in, shoots it out, carries it out on his back.
Literally takes like eight trips to do.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Those are like athletes that get their food from hunting.
tom papa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are exceptional people.
tom papa
Yeah, I never thought of that.
Like, what happens when...
How do you get it out of the woods?
joe rogan
See, my friend Adam Greentree, he's the guy who shot that buffalo up there.
He went to Colorado.
He went to a couple different places where he was out in the woods for 28 days by himself, solo.
tom papa
28 days?
joe rogan
28 days until he finally got an elk.
And he put it all on his Instagram.
And then he had to pack the elk out.
But in those 28 days, he documented everything on his Instagram stories.
And one of them, he had a fucking encounter with a grizzly bear.
So a grizzly bear kept bluff charging him.
And he had a pistol that had the wrong round in it.
So the pistol wasn't even effective.
So he's pointing a gun at the grizzly bear.
And if you're looking at it, you can tell that the gun is jammed.
Like the bullet isn't even in the, it's not even in the chamber.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
He gives the wrong round.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
So meanwhile he's pointing this dummy gun thinking he's going to stop this bear.
And the bear's just running at him.
And he didn't even realize it until after this was over that the gun didn't work.
He got the gun from somebody else to protect him from bears while he's out there.
tom papa
Oh my god.
28 days, that's a long time.
joe rogan
But dudes, there's videos of the bears, like, looking at them, standing up.
Watch this video.
tom papa
Right.
Oh, that's him?
joe rogan
That's him.
unidentified
She comes a third time.
joe rogan
But you see how the gun's jammed?
See that hole?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
See that opening?
That's because the round's not in the chamber.
So he's getting this pistol and she's standing up in the background.
tom papa
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
While she's going to drop down and then you realize, oh my god, that's a bear.
tom papa
Oh my god.
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
And she kept charging him.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
She bluff charged him three times.
tom papa
Oh, she must have had cubs around or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what he thinks.
And they just decide that you're a threat, and sometimes they follow you around, too.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
Where are you sleeping that night?
He sleeps in a tent.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Sleeping in a tent.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what else they do?
They put these little electric fences around their tents.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
To protect themselves, little battery-powered fences.
It gives the bear a little jolt.
tom papa
I never heard of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do that in grizzly country.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Is that new?
That sounds new.
joe rogan
No, they've been doing it for decades.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder when they invented that.
It's pretty cool, though.
unidentified
That is cool.
joe rogan
They stick it in the ground, and then they have a big car battery that powers the whole fucking thing.
tom papa
You get up to pee at night.
joe rogan
You piss on it.
Yikes!
Yeah, that's a different kind of connection to your food.
He takes it on a whole other level.
I don't do that.
I'm not good enough to do that.
tom papa
But there's something to all those kind of...
It's just being thoughtful about any stage of it.
Like your grandmother making the pasta.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom papa
That thing, that she's actually doing it.
That action, it changes it.
It changes her relation to it, the relation that she has in feeding somebody else.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
tom papa
There's something deep about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's something cool, too, about ethnic food that comes from the people that are the actual immigrants themselves.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they brought this food over.
I mean, my grandparents came over here when they were young.
It's not like they were actually driving the boat.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were just kids once they got to America.
But they carried with them this connection to the immigrants.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The ones who actually decided they were going to take their babies and get on a boat and go across the ocean with no job prospects.
Not really sure what was going to happen.
tom papa
Never been in the place before.
joe rogan
Didn't even have a picture of it, probably.
tom papa
Your first trip is I'm moving there.
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
Fuck.
And you've got kids.
So they came over.
They were young kids.
Both my grandparents.
tom papa
Yeah, mine too.
Same thing.
joe rogan
Crazy.
tom papa
Same thing.
joe rogan
Imagine being you, if you had no job prospects and you had two young children and you go, okay, this is what we're going to do.
We're going to put everybody in a boat.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we're going to go to the other side of the planet because I heard there's jobs there.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, no kidding.
Please.
joe rogan
Fuck.
tom papa
How about the people that are just walking with their kids, just walking, just going towards something else?
I mean, the desperation of people to be in that spot.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, well how about people before houses?
You know, you still have kids, you still have babies, but you can't even lock them in the house because you haven't invented houses yet.
unidentified
You're like, shit.
joe rogan
I mean, you really stop and think about the hardships that other human beings have faced.
tom papa
No, I know.
joe rogan
It makes our hardship seem so trivial.
And I think that's part of the problem that people are saying, like, hey, yeah, this isn't great, right?
This pandemic is not good for anybody, but I don't know if you guys are handling it the way I would handle it.
And I don't know if you should be able to tell me how I can handle it.
I don't know if this is logical anymore.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And that we have to accept these hard times.
And we have to figure out another way to do it other than just standing still and waiting for it to go away.
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah, it's very strange.
joe rogan
Because our society is kind of in place standing still.
tom papa
No.
And think about how short it's been that we've had to figure it out.
Real quick.
I mean, March, April, May, three months of trying to figure out how real the threat is and what we're going to do with it.
joe rogan
Dude, I was driving down the street today and I saw this lady walk across the street with a mask on.
And I was like, oh yeah, there's a pandemic going on.
You know what I'm saying?
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
For a moment, I got so used to how weird everything is.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
That I forgot, and then I see this lady walking across the street, and I was like, oh, yeah.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
We're in the middle of that.
joe rogan
This is happening.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is going to be one of those things where we look back.
We go, that's the moment where I realize that life doesn't follow a pattern like the movies.
That life is just weirdly random, and sometimes you find out that the people that are in charge of making the decisions for everybody else are no better at it than you or I. They just have the job of doing it.
tom papa
Making it up as they go along.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
I know, I know.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if it was up to you?
tom papa
No!
joe rogan
If you said, hey, Tom Papa, you're a funny guy.
Why don't you tell us how we should restart the economy?
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
Yeah, and one of your decisions...
People are going to be dying on your watch regardless of which way you go.
joe rogan
And we're going to blame you.
tom papa
Yeah, and you're going to be blamed for it.
I don't envy them at all.
joe rogan
Did you see that lady who got into it with Trump?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
This reporter, first of all, she was asking a question with a mask on, which was like, settle down.
That's so crazy.
jamie vernon
Everybody there had to have a mask on.
joe rogan
But he didn't have a mask on.
And she took it off when she got mad.
tom papa
Oh, she did?
joe rogan
Yeah, play it.
Play the video.
She took it off when she got mad.
tom papa
So this is what happened.
joe rogan
She was saying, why are you bragging about how many Americans have been tested and that the United States tests more people than anybody when 80,000 people have died?
Like, why is this a competition for you?
And so he says...
He said that you should ask China.
He said people are dying everywhere.
If you want to ask someone about that, you should ask China.
And she says, why did you say that specifically to me?
Because she's Asian.
And then he goes, thank you, next question to someone else.
And then this lady steps in, and she was like, I have a question.
And then she wanted to let her talk, was going to give her question to that lady.
So she'd ask again.
This is something that reporters are doing now.
It's adorable.
The president says, next person.
And he goes, sir?
He goes, yes, you.
He goes, I'd like to give my colleague this question.
And then they give it back to her.
So the reporters are forcing him to ask questions in a really sneaky way.
And it seems like they're all in on it.
So when one of them has some sort of a contentious exchange with the president, and the president says, next.
So they say, sir, over here.
He goes, you.
He goes, I'd like to give this question to my colleague.
tom papa
I'm giving it back to Bob.
joe rogan
It's some crazy keep-away game they're playing.
And she goes, why are you saying that specifically to me?
Because she's Asian.
And he goes, I'm not saying it specifically to anybody.
I'm just saying, you should ask China.
It's kind of crazy.
Watch this.
unidentified
The US is doing far better than any other country when it comes to testing.
Why does that matter?
Why is this a global competition to you if everyday Americans are still losing their lives and we're still seeing more cases every day?
donald j trump
Well, they're losing their lives everywhere in the world.
And maybe that's a question you should ask China.
Don't ask me.
Ask China that question, okay?
When you ask them that question, you may get a very unusual answer.
Yes, behind you, please.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Here it goes.
Watch when she gets masked off.
unidentified
Sir, why are you saying that to me specifically, that I should ask China?
I'm telling you.
donald j trump
I'm not saying it specifically to anybody.
I'm saying it to anybody who would ask a nasty question like that.
unidentified
That's not a nasty question.
Please go ahead.
donald j trump
Okay, anybody else?
Please, go ahead in the back, please.
unidentified
I have two questions.
donald j trump
No, it's okay.
unidentified
We'll go over here.
donald j trump
But you pointed to me.
unidentified
I have two questions, Mr. President.
Next.
donald j trump
Next, please.
tom papa
You called on me.
donald j trump
I did, and you didn't respond, and now I'm calling on the young lady in the back.
unidentified
Please.
I just wanted to let my colleague finish.
Okay.
donald j trump
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.
joe rogan
I just want to let my colleague finish.
They know how to do this.
They have this little sneaky move.
They've done it before.
It's been pretty interesting.
They've come up with ways to deal with...
tom papa
To get around the angry substitute teacher.
joe rogan
It's so strange to see a guy who's the president, regardless of whether or not you think he's handling anything well.
It's so strange to see that.
He's supposed to be the media guy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He's supposed to be the guy that's like...
tom papa
Savvy.
joe rogan
The savvy television performer guy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And to handle that that poorly.
tom papa
Yeah.
I know.
I don't understand why it would take so little for him to have...
His numbers would be through the roof.
joe rogan
But this is what happens.
They're playing a game, right?
And they just won that hand.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because the game is...
Talk condescending to you.
Why is it a competition to you when all these people are dying?
People are dying all over the world.
If you want to know why, you should ask China.
That's a good answer to a question that's a gotcha question, but then she makes it racial.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Because it wasn't necessarily racial.
tom papa
He did come in with a hard cha.
joe rogan
He did China, but he does that.
tom papa
China.
joe rogan
But that's still not racist.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
So if he was talking to a white man, and the white man said that to him, and he said, you should ask China, he would say the same thing.
tom papa
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
The worst case scenario that that question gets asked by a lady with a mask on who's Asian.
unidentified
China.
joe rogan
And then she gets mad and she takes the mask off.
Let motherfuckers know she's not even playing by the rules anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you racist?
tom papa
It is a beehive of an environment there.
joe rogan
It is, but I don't know if that's helping anybody to chastise him and to get him riled up, and I don't think it's helping anybody the way he's biting.
tom papa
No.
It's a complete breakdown of what that...
joe rogan
That used to be.
It's not what it used to be.
It's like this weird gotcha competition and then him getting pissy.
The fact that he stormed off like that.
tom papa
It's a TV show.
We're watching a TV show.
We're not watching the adult telling us if it's going to be okay.
joe rogan
You're so right.
And during a pandemic, that is the worst time for some shit like that.
tom papa
It's the worst.
You just want some consolidation of real information.
Just tell me how to feel.
joe rogan
Dude, I remember after 9-11, people hated Bush.
They thought he was really dumb and he couldn't spell.
And then that was Dan Quayle.
But that was his insurance policy, right?
Dan Quayle was so boring.
tom papa
No, but people hated Bush going into that.
joe rogan
They hated him.
But then after 9-11, he had some speeches that made, even people that I knew that were hardcore liberals, like, all right, I love this guy.
tom papa
I love what he's doing.
It's a moment when you rally.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he really rose to the occasion, too.
George Bush, after 9-11, he gave people a sense of comfort.
tom papa
That's right.
That's what you want.
You see people craving it.
We're craving it.
That's why when Cuomo and Newsom speak, and they just give you reassuring Very controlled.
People gravitate.
You're just like, okay, you just want to hear that.
Giuliani was the same way after 9-11.
It was like, okay, you're making me feel better.
joe rogan
That made Giuliani's reputation the way he handled it.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Like a leader.
100%.
tom papa
You don't pit people against each other in a tragedy.
joe rogan
But it's unfortunate that he can't see that, and he keeps getting caught.
It's like he's boxing with someone who's piecing him up.
These things keep happening, so he keeps having these exchanges where these heated exchanges and words get said.
unidentified
Bizarre.
tom papa
It's really strange.
joe rogan
The last one was the one where he went off the fucking script where he was talking about therapies.
Maybe we could get some disinfection.
It kills it in a minute.
tom papa
We'll put it in there.
joe rogan
A cleansing.
tom papa
You see the woman next to her eyes coming out of her head.
She's taking deep breaths so she doesn't pass out in the middle of it.
She was like...
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
So then after that, he responds that he was sarcastic.
The reporter's asking him, he said he was sarcastic.
He should have said, look, I'm not a doctor.
This is just an idea.
Because that's really what it was.
It was like, I might have done that on a podcast.
I'd have to be drunk.
tom papa
You'd have to be drunk.
You'd have to be out of your mind.
I've never seen you smoke that much weed.
joe rogan
I can get there if you leave me alone long enough.
I'll say something that dumb.
I've said the dumbest shit of my life on this podcast.
unidentified
Hi.
tom papa
Not that high.
joe rogan
But here's the thing that came out of it, which is really fascinating.
There was an actual publicly traded biotech company that came up with an idea to get, when intubated people, to get an ultraviolet light tube down through that into the lungs and illuminate.
Because using ultraviolet light, you can kill bacteria.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
You can kill viruses.
And that's one of the reasons why they have those things like SteriPens where you go backpacking.
You can get some water out of a creek and you just use this ultraviolet light.
It kills everything inside that water.
So they actually had this bio company, publicly traded company, put out this video on how this can be done.
Well, their account was banned from Twitter.
tom papa
Oh, really?
Is it a real company?
joe rogan
Yes, it's a real company.
And they let them back eventually.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this is how toxic this relationship with the president is.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Where the president says something on TV. Yeah.
And then people go, what the fuck did you say?
Get light into people?
And then this publicly traded biotech company is like, actually, we've already been working on that.
And this is the concept.
And this is the science behind it because UV light kills back.
Fuck you.
You're banned.
They banned They banned them.
They banned a biotech company from Twitter.
Now, they brought them back once it was explained to them.
But any other time in history, like say if this was going on 10 years ago, and there was a virus, and the virus is infecting people's respiratory systems, and someone said, while these people are being intubated, we can actually stick a light through the same tube that the ventilator uses, and we'll illuminate the lungs.
We could actually probably kill a good deal of this bacteria.
People are like, oh, medical breakthrough.
tom papa
Right.
But you've had a complete disintegration, right?
That's the result of a breakdown.
And that's why it doesn't work in communist countries.
You can't trust the source for your information.
That's what we're at in a democracy.
No one can trust the source.
We're all scrambling.
Does this one know?
joe rogan
But it's a direct result of his toxic relationship with the press.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Because people who are with him are so with him and people who are against him are so against him.
And it's almost like people with him, part of the reason why they're with him is because they're so against all these other fucking whiny, bitchy, liberal people that fucking, that side's just so annoying.
I'm going with Trump.
He tells him to fuck off.
That's my favorite part.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
He makes those people angry.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a terrible relationship.
It's bad for everybody.
tom papa
It's awful because if at any moment we should be uniting and taking care of each other, it's now.
joe rogan
It could make a big difference to us because it's like if someone could get on television and come up with something that was not just comforting but actually accurate and useful.
tom papa
Give us something to do.
Tell us what to do.
And if we could all act as one for the good of the country, we would come out of this stronger, better, ready to go.
Our whole life, we grew up thinking, we're Americans.
We can do anything.
We can do it.
Just give us a challenge.
We can do it.
And to now have this breakdown like, no, we're split apart and doing separate things.
joe rogan
Not only that, it's the only time in people's lives where things are failing, businesses are failing, and they did everything right.
tom papa
Right, I know.
joe rogan
They did all the right things.
tom papa
Right, working hard, doing the thing, busting ass.
joe rogan
They were smart.
They saved their money.
They invested.
They got a thing going.
It's getting going, and we got a successful business.
They developed a great relationship in the community, and then...
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
Shut down for months.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Rent's piling up.
No one's getting paid.
Your mortgage is due.
Your car payment's due.
Your credit cards are due.
You gotta buy food.
Fuck.
And you see how quick that goes away.
tom papa
So quick.
joe rogan
So when you hear shit like, stay at home until July, fuck.
tom papa
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
You can't just say that.
tom papa
No, you can't just say that.
Well, I think it's from a healthcare person who's making the suggestion, but I think the...
joe rogan
It's not the right decision.
There's other options.
I think a better option is quarantining the people that are sick.
I don't know if that's possible, because I'm a moron.
Sounds good to me.
But I think it's not even my idea.
It's an idea that everybody's had.
A lot of people have had.
tom papa
If you're really vulnerable, don't go.
If you've got a bad knee, you don't get to ski.
It's true.
unidentified
Right?
tom papa
It's true.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's true.
tom papa
We'll be all right, Joe.
We're going to be okay.
joe rogan
We better be Tom Papa.
tom papa
We're going to be all right.
joe rogan
I'm getting bored.
tom papa
I know, me too.
I can't wait.
Oh, I can't wait to be walking into the club, seeing you in the back, hearing the crowd out front.
joe rogan
I know.
tom papa
All that energy.
joe rogan
I'm looking forward to a lot of things.
tom papa
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
I'm looking forward to a lot of things.
tom papa
Musso and Franks.
joe rogan
I'm looking forward to not feeling bad.
Not about me, not at all.
About seeing all these stories.
I was reading this guy's Twitter page, this jujitsu guy that I follow, and there's this lady who owns this gym.
It's Tom DeBlass, T-O-M-D-E-B-L-A-S-S. On his Instagram, he had photos of this lady crying because her gym is going under and this gym that she's had for 10 years and that they can't survive it.
And so you see shit like that and you're like, this is another example, like someone who didn't do anything wrong.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
And then all their hard work just goes away.
This is the lady.
It's horrible, man.
tom papa
Yeah, that's terrible.
joe rogan
It's horrible.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
What is the name of the gym?
tom papa
She'll rally.
She's motivated.
If she could build that business, she'll be back.
joe rogan
Ironside Fitness Gym.
tom papa
She can do it.
She'll go into personal training.
joe rogan
Yeah, see at the bottom if you can find that.
Ironside.
What is the Instagram account?
It's not?
He didn't tag it?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know where that is.
I think he's a Jersey guy.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Just that kind of shit.
tom papa
I know.
Let's get out of this already.
joe rogan
And then, of course, the people that have lost their lives, that's way worse.
tom papa
Of course, of course.
joe rogan
Of course, that's way worse.
No one's saying it's not.
But this is fucking sad, too, man.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sad that people build up these incredible communities.
They build up this relationship with their customers and the people around them, and it all goes away.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, it's brutal.
I know, it's hard.
unidentified
From China!
tom papa
China.
joe rogan
All because of China.
Ask them.
tom papa
Just turn down the cha.
joe rogan
What bad luck he got that that lady was Asian.
If she said that, if he was talking to anyone else, and they said that they wouldn't be able to say, why are you saying that specifically to me?
Like if it was a black man asking her that question, or asking him that question.
tom papa
Why are you asking China?
joe rogan
Why are you saying that specifically to me?
tom papa
She pulls the mask down.
Why to me?
Oh no.
joe rogan
I know.
And also she's like yelling with no mask on now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you're violating all the rules.
You can't just get mad.
Like fuck everybody.
You're gonna die.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Spray her.
The worst.
joe rogan
Virus breath everywhere.
tom papa
Horrible environment.
joe rogan
What for him, man?
He must be like, I can't win.
tom papa
Horrible environment.
joe rogan
All I did in my life is win.
Win, win, win, win, win.
Rappers used to put me in their songs!
tom papa
When he came out and talked about the ratings that he was getting off of these, it was just like, alright, I can't.
joe rogan
He said the ratings were higher than the season final of The Bachelor.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
That's when I was like, this is not real.
tom papa
What are you talking?
joe rogan
This can't be real.
tom papa
What are you thinking?
joe rogan
This can't be real.
tom papa
Yeah, it's so crazy.
joe rogan
That's the opposite of what we're saying George Bush did after 9-11.
tom papa
Right.
Rally.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Be a leader.
That's what leadership is.
joe rogan
Say something that makes you get inspired.
Ronald Reagan was the best at that shit, man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Just rally you.
You made you feel like, oh, we can do it.
We could do anything.
joe rogan
Before people hated him, they didn't hate him really until like a second term though, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
By the end, people were really mad at him.
tom papa
Parts of the country always disliked him.
If you were poor, if you were a minority, you were never a fan.
joe rogan
But he would give a speech.
tom papa
Yeah.
Oh man.
joe rogan
With a powerful voice.
tom papa
He was an actor.
He was an actor.
He's a reality shit-stir.
That's what those, right?
That's what reality stars are.
They stir shit up.
Right.
Reagan was an actor.
He could give you the big monologue.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tom papa
It's a difference.
joe rogan
Do you remember when he's, I don't know if you ever saw this, but he was addressing the United Nations and he was talking about how quickly we would all join together if we were faced with a force from outside this world.
tom papa
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a crazy speech.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because all the UFO people went nuts.
unidentified
He knows!
joe rogan
He fucking knows!
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's a great speech, though.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's true.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's true.
Like, we would realize all our differences are bullshit.
Right.
If aliens had invaded us, we would all unite as human beings.
tom papa
Right.
That's what's weird about this.
You could kind of have that moment now.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
That's why I brought it up.
Someone could say that.
We need to unite.
Someone could say...
tom papa
This is us.
joe rogan
But they have to say it in a way...
tom papa
People of planet Earth.
joe rogan
It can't be self-congratulatory.
tom papa
Not at all.
You take yourself out of it.
joe rogan
But he does too much of that.
tom papa
You put it in the power of the people you're talking to.
That's the technique.
joe rogan
But imagine being him where your whole life you've gotten ahead because you're self-congratulatory.
That's his whole thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's his whole thing.
His whole thing is just letting everybody know you're the shit.
And then all of a sudden you can't do that anymore.
How much can you make an adjustment in your 70s while you're the president?
And you have to make an adjustment and be someone who you've never been.
tom papa
All of a sudden you're not the shit.
joe rogan
You can't even say you're the shit.
What a terrible job.
tom papa
So awful.
I'd much rather be a comedian.
joe rogan
Or you'd much rather be publishing.
Tom Popper, you're doing great.
It's available now everywhere.
Audiobook available now everywhere as well.
tom papa
Yeah, audiobook too, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Thanks for writing the blurb.
joe rogan
And other reasons to stay alive.
My pleasure, brother.
tom papa
Yeah, really cool.
joe rogan
Thanks to the bread.
I appreciate you, always.
tom papa
And have to come out on the podcast.
joe rogan
Yes, we'll do it.
Teach me your ways.
tom papa
Breaking bread, baby.
joe rogan
Wizard bread making.
And where is the podcast available, the Breaking Bread?
tom papa
Wherever your podcasts are, wherever you get them.
joe rogan
Visual as well.
tom papa
On YouTube, yeah.
joe rogan
YouTube.
tom papa
Yeah, me and Segura do the first one together.
unidentified
Beautiful, beautiful.
tom papa
And it was really great.
He told all these great stories about his grandmother, his mom making all these sweets.
I'm telling you, just once you start talking about food, we'll have to talk more about your grandparents and everything.
joe rogan
We'll do it, for sure.
tom papa
All right, cool.
joe rogan
I love you, buddy.
tom papa
You're the best.
Love you, too.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
tom papa
So good.
unidentified
That was fun.
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