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May 7, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1471 - Tony Hinchcliffe
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
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tony hinchcliffe
50:19
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joe rogan
Three, two, one.
unidentified
Tony motherfucking Hinchcliffe.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good to see you, buddy.
tony hinchcliffe
Good to see you.
joe rogan
Every time comics come here that I usually spend multiple nights a week with, like...
So nice to be semi-normal again.
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
For fucking sure.
joe rogan
The restrictions are supposed to be lifting up here in Los Angeles on Friday, which means nothing for us, for comedians.
It means something for some retail, some other stuff, but they're doing it nice and slow.
Did you see the list of shit that the governor's office put out of stuff you're allowed to do?
You should pull that up, Jamie, because it is...
It's quite hilarious.
First of all, it's kind of condescending.
It's like treating you like you're a moron.
Like, here's things you're allowed to do.
One of them that I thought was hilarious, it said soft martial arts.
Yeah, it said Tai Chi.
You're allowed to do this outside.
Soft martial arts.
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Why can't you shadow box?
Can you do that?
Or it's only okay if you do things that don't work?
You're saying martial.
Martial art.
That's an art of war.
Right?
And Tai Chi is...
It is a...
It's much more of a meditation than it is an art of war.
I think it's very beneficial.
But look what it says.
Athletics, number one.
What does that mean?
Badminton, singles, singles, throwing a ball, a baseball, softball, stop.
Here's the problem with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're throwing a baseball, you're basically shaking hands.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
And you're doing it with an organic skin, right?
Baseball, the outside of it is cow skin.
jamie vernon
You could throw a ball by yourself, but...
joe rogan
But that's not what they're saying, right?
tony hinchcliffe
That's just sad.
joe rogan
Are you going to throw it and go pick it up?
tony hinchcliffe
Throwing fly balls to yourself in the park?
joe rogan
BMX biking.
Okay, thank you.
You're allowed to canoe.
Singles!
It specifies.
Singles.
tony hinchcliffe
Are they talking about crabbing like crab walk?
joe rogan
No, like catching crabs.
You can go crabbing like fishing.
No, that's what it means.
You can go crabbing.
jamie vernon
People do it all the time?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, in California.
Not here, but in Northern California, it's a big deal.
Yeah, I've done it before.
You catch blue crabs, I think they are.
I think they're blue.
I don't know what species they are.
But you catch them off the piers.
There's a lot of areas around San Francisco where people catch crabs.
It's really big in like Maryland and you know like those guys love crabbing.
Oh and in Alaska too.
They do a lot of crabbing.
jamie vernon
I know it's a thing.
It was just a California list.
That's why I was like I didn't...
joe rogan
They must have them.
I mean the ocean's right here.
Gardening not in groups.
Oh you can explore rock pools.
Thank you.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh wow.
Where can we do that at?
joe rogan
Malibu but you can't get to the beach.
unidentified
It's closed.
joe rogan
Cycling, golf, singles, walking, no cart, Tony!
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
You can't have a cart.
Why can't I have a cart?
What if it's my cart?
I can't take the cart?
tony hinchcliffe
It's electric.
joe rogan
It doesn't even hurt the environment.
Why can't I take the cart?
tony hinchcliffe
Or why can't they clean it?
Wipe it down.
joe rogan
Is there a logic to that?
Let's stop.
I mean, if it's your cart, is there a logic to that?
And how is it any different than the cart at the supermarket?
Like, that motherfucker's getting passed around like a cheap ho!
jamie vernon
I think it's because they have to have people clean it and whatnot, and they don't want to have to have staff on whatever, because they've opened up...
joe rogan
Right, but they have it at the supermarket.
jamie vernon
No, I know, but, well...
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
It's like it's real squirrely.
It's like the places where you absolutely have to go, they're allowed to stay open.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And even the shopping cart.
I was shopping the other day and I opened up the kiddie part, you know, to put other stuff in.
And I'm like, they didn't.
There's no way they wiped that part well.
There's just no way.
If it was on here, I got it.
joe rogan
After a while, I'm sure the people that work in those places, the kids especially, like 18-year-olds, they're going to slack off.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, no one's dead.
They don't see it.
You know, they're not going to the hospital.
Hold on.
Don't scroll down yet.
There's a lot more we missed.
Go back up.
So, yeah, so we were at no-cart, golf, hiking, trails, paths, allowing distancing.
How is it okay when you're running?
Because if you're running past people that are walking, this is gonna come in time when you're right there.
Is that alright?
I don't know.
tony hinchcliffe
This is all very bizarre.
joe rogan
Well, it really is like we're dealing with multiple different diseases, too.
jamie vernon
Are the trails open?
I thought they were still closed.
Are they opening those up?
joe rogan
I think they opened them up again.
We'll find that out next.
Oh, you can kiteboard.
Okay.
Oh, meditation's allowed.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, we're allowed to meditate.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
Outdoor photography.
Oh, I didn't know.
I thought that if I was hiking, I couldn't take pictures of what I was hiking with.
Thank you.
Thank you for allowing me to do outdoor photography.
Picnics with your stay-at-home household members only.
Can't meet up with other people that aren't sick.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Quad biking, rock climbing, roller skating, roller blading?
It's weird.
It's because we're asking people to be extra super responsible with this, right?
But we don't ask the same thing about car accidents.
Look at this.
Stop.
Go back.
Soft martial arts.
Look at that.
Tai Chi, Qigong.
tony hinchcliffe
What's Qigong?
joe rogan
Well, I know what Qigong is.
It's like a type of breathing exercise.
Pretty sure.
And you know what Tai Chi is.
It's almost like a series of rhythmic movements.
But why are you calling that a soft martial art?
It's such a weird definition and not in groups.
It's just so specific.
Like if a person wants to go outside and they have a shadow boxing routine they do and they like to practice Muay Thai, why can't they go practice Muay Thai?
They can't just go outside.
Like imagine like you're pent up in your apartment and you can go on the beach and just like...
Spark up a little and just throw some combinations under the sun and the sand.
You can't do that?
Is that threatening to people?
But you're allowed to do all this jazz?
That's not even a martial art.
Let's just be honest.
It's great.
People that do it, they find it very therapeutic and it's good for the body.
You know, you're doing these slow poses so it gives you, you know, you're exercising control over your body.
But it's not really a martial art.
It's weird.
It's like you wouldn't fight with it.
So what is it?
You know what I'm saying?
You're not going to fight with Tai Chi.
tony hinchcliffe
I've never heard the terminology before.
Is there such thing as soft and hard martial arts?
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess you could kind of define it like that.
Some people would say that Tai Chi is a soft martial art.
I guess they would kind of say it, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
It's not a martial art.
A martial art is something that you would use in a fight.
If you're trying to have a thing with...
There's rules to martial arts, though.
So you could say, like, well, how come boxing is just boxing?
How come they're not allowed to kick you or take you down?
Like, is that a full martial art?
Like, what is a martial art?
Martial art is like doing the best shit to do.
When you're in war with a person, hand-to-hand combat.
But for so long, we didn't know what the best shit was.
So they branched off into all these different groups.
So there's the people that only concentrated on judo, and they were convinced it is the best thing you could do.
I remember I was really foolish when I was doing Taekwondo, and I worked out with my friend Walter.
He used to teach at this university, and he was a bad motherfucker, and I used to go down and train with him.
And there was this guy, there was this judo guy who was there, and they were practicing judo, and this guy was a gorilla.
He probably could have broke me in half and stuffed me up his ass.
I mean, really, he was a big guy.
But I thought, God, that's so useless.
This is what I thought.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
I was like, why would you want to do that when you could learn how to punch and kick?
Why would you want to learn how to do that?
tony hinchcliffe
Did you do any wrestling?
joe rogan
Yes, one year in high school.
But man, until I started doing jiu-jitsu, I didn't realize how vulnerable I really was.
I hadn't done real martial arts in a long time because I had a knee surgery and it took me a long time to recover, like more than a year.
I fucked my knee up and I didn't get it fixed for like six months and then I got it fixed.
It took like a year to rehab.
So for like a year and a half plus, I wasn't doing any martial arts.
And then I started doing a little bit of kickboxing when I came to L.A. I went to this legendary place in Van Nuys.
It's one of the things that I wanted to go to.
Other than going to the Comedy Store, I wanted to go to Benny the Jets Jet Center.
The Jet Center in Van Nuys.
Benny Urquidez is like a legendary kickboxer from L.A. And him and his, I believe Blinky Rodriguez is his brother-in-law, but he was another beast.
He's a guy who knocked out one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.
Jean-Yves Theriot knocked him out with a left hook.
I mean, so this was a gym, a legendary gym.
And I came here, and right when I came here, I started going there, and they had earthquake damage.
So when it rained, their place got fucked up, like really fucked up, and they had to close down.
And then he moved to a place in North Hollywood for a while.
But it just wasn't the same once that legendary gym was gone.
unidentified
But those were one of the number one places that I wanted to come to when I came to LA. Has anyone ever claimed Tai Chi or Qigong as any of their UFC skill set?
joe rogan
Yeah, they make stuff up for fun.
Look, look, the greatest fighter of all time, Jon Jones.
What's his style?
It says, look, see, do.
That's his style.
Literally, go look up what Jon Jones fights under his style.
He writes, look, see, do.
You want to talk about a dude thinking for himself?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This guy's like, look, listen...
Fuck, I know what I knew.
I know what I know.
I know what I can do.
I'm just gonna call it look-see-do.
I look at people see things.
I look at people do something.
I see it and I do it.
One of the first fights ever in the UFC the guy tries to throw this wild spinning elbow just out of nowhere fights Shogun for the title opens up with a flying knee just wild Opens up on a legend Shogun was a legend UFC light heavyweight champion the guy who's knocked out Chuck Liddell but was fucking killing people in pride I mean when we were coming up Mauricio Shogun Hua was a legend Jon Jones fights him Wins the title,
the youngest guy ever to win a title in the UFC with a flying knee.
That's what he opens up with.
tony hinchcliffe
He's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Just wild, man.
Just wild.
But anyway, my point was, I didn't realize how vulnerable I was until I first started doing jujitsu.
Or wrestling, it would have been the same with wrestling.
Like anybody who's like a real grappler, like you can get really delusional about how much you can keep a person off you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Without anyone who's a real grappler, like a real division one wrestler...
Dude.
tony hinchcliffe
What's frightening is how, and then once you realize how hard it is, but then you see the people who make it look so damn easy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
There were these wrestlers, I think they were called the Hurley Twins or something from another school, and these guys were really, really high level, and we were in high school, but they were high level freestyle wrestlers, like they would go to the nationals every year.
It appeared as though they would dangle guys by an angle and just keep getting points.
They would release and they would make it look like it was nothing.
The other guy's wrestling for his life and they would just seamlessly grab their ankle and push them back.
joe rogan
There's an underappreciated skill level for the real elite of the elite.
If you watch Jordan Burroughs wrestle, who's currently, right now, today, widely considered to be the best wrestler in the world.
One of them.
I mean there's a bunch of like really insanely good wrestlers out there.
tony hinchcliffe
I have a bunch of pairs of his shoes.
joe rogan
He's the lead of the elite.
When you watch him how good he is and how well he moves through these takedowns and transitions and chains takedown attacks together and the power and the drive and the just the fucking explosiveness all of it together the insane desire to compete and win You know, you don't even know what that's like.
That guy manhandled Ben Askren, who manhandles most people.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
And they all know what he's gonna do.
They all know what to defend, that he's going to shoot low on a double leg takedown, and there's nothing they can do.
joe rogan
So good.
I mean, Askren was quite a bit past his wrestling prime.
I don't think you can be elite at both.
I think most of these elite wrestlers, who are really, really good wrestlers, once they get into the UFC and they realize how much striking they have to do, how much submissions they have to do, I think most of them would admit that they're probably not getting the same kind of focus on pure wrestling that allows them to stay at their highest level.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
And to put it all together, that's why Look-See-Do is such a great name for a style.
Because he's not doing one thing.
Yes, very good wrestler.
Yes, very good striker.
Yes, very good submission artist.
Excellent at all those things.
But he just throws them all together with whatever's there.
What's open?
What's open?
How about I never try to take you to the ground?
I just kick the fuck out of your legs.
I just get close to you, beat you up in knees and elbows.
It's such a...
So when someone says martial art, it's not a martial art.
It's a style of fighting.
It's like a game you're playing.
You know, if you're playing boxing, you're playing boxing, it is definitely a fight, but it is a martial art.
But it's not a complete one.
Like now that we know, like all those little schools like the Judo people and the Taekwondo people, they were all like real biased about their own style, like I definitely was.
Now you know.
This is one style.
It's mixed martial arts.
It's that look-see-do thing that Jon Jones does.
He does everything.
He's kicking you, he's punching you, he's trying to take you down, he's smashing you on the ground, he strangles you if he can.
Like, however I can beat you.
That's what they're trying to do.
Which is real martial arts.
That's a real martial art.
Like as close as you can get without eye gouging and going for the nuts, because we all agree that's just too much.
Even if they're teaching you self-defense as the only time they step up with the eye gouge and the nut shots.
But those are like the most effective moves.
Eye gouging and nut shots are the most effective moves.
We just collectively decide that they're too destructive.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It's weird seeing actual street fight videos.
I saw one where the guy, uh, actual fight video where the guy does grab the other guy's nuts.
It's like they're like in the army or something, too.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
tony hinchcliffe
He's begging, please.
Like, it's actually really funny.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tony hinchcliffe
Please.
Please, God.
No, please.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Someone can crush your nuts and take away your manhood.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I've heard of dudes getting their nuts exploded.
Nuts exploded from a kick.
One guy who was sparring, just like, I think they said it was like his last round of sparring.
He said, ah, fucking, I don't need a cup.
Just go light.
Boom!
Takes a shot to the nuts, and one of his balls explodes.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, no.
joe rogan
No, they had to remove it.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, imagine the force of someone hitting you with a kick.
Like imagine the force of someone who's like Tyron Woodley, who's an excellent leg kicker.
He's got vicious power in his leg kicks.
The force of that hitting you're nuts.
Your nuts are not designed.
You need a cup, man.
Your nuts are not designed to survive that with no help.
That's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
That's why they gave us two.
Just in case.
joe rogan
Just in case.
tony hinchcliffe
Because there's no kick that could blast through two at once.
joe rogan
There's a lot of kicks that'll blast through two nuts.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
Pedro Hizzo, if he kicked your nuts, you would have no nuts.
They would be all smashed up like gravy.
It got kicked so hard.
jamie vernon
I was looking at a hard and soft martial arts.
Judo, like that's judo, the ju of judo and jujitsu is soft.
So it's like not blocking with a block, like blocking an attack with a block.
joe rogan
Oh, I see, I see.
Like a redirection.
jamie vernon
Intercepting it, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, then you can't, I don't know, maybe I'm looking at the word soft incorrectly.
tony hinchcliffe
Soft martial arts just has a picture of CM Punk next to it.
joe rogan
Oh, you son of a bitch!
You would never call judo a soft martial art, though.
I mean, maybe it's technically that, but I mean, amongst the circles that I travel in, when you're talking to, and I'm not a judo expert, obviously, but I know a lot of people that are.
I've talked to a lot of judo experts.
I bet they wouldn't think it's soft martial art.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I wouldn't agree with that.
joe rogan
Judo guys are brutal.
tony hinchcliffe
They're brutal.
joe rogan
They're some of the most...
Look, if you watch world-class judo, there's...
Some great footage of Hector Lombard.
Hector Lombard, when he was doing judo, was a motherfucker.
I mean, just smashing people.
He's so fucking strong.
When you watch really good judo with really good technique, there's nothing soft about that, man.
That is wild shit, man.
tony hinchcliffe
It's basically the art of throwing people.
joe rogan
It's the art of throwing people on your fucking head and grabbing you by your clothes.
And you're both grabbing each other by your clothes.
And when you get to a super elite level...
When you watch those Olympians go at it, man, it's wild.
It's so hard.
It's so fucking hard.
I mean, it's super brilliant and technical, and it's very strategic, and there's all these transitions, and it's very technical in terms of being able to execute a high-level throw on someone who's also an expert in high-level throws.
It's amazing, but it's also very hard.
They're strong as shit.
I've only rolled with a few really good judo guys ever, and it's like rolling with a chimpanzee.
They're too strong.
Wrestlers, judo guys, you guys are too fucking strong.
We were still going over this list.
That's how good this marijuana is.
I forgot what we were talking about.
Oh, you can go tree climbing.
Go climb a tree, you fuck.
tony hinchcliffe
I did.
I did the other day.
I climbed a tree.
joe rogan
Hey, Tony.
tony hinchcliffe
I got excited.
joe rogan
Good news.
You can wash your car.
The government thinks it's okay for you to wash your car.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
Oh, you can walk the dog.
unidentified
Yay!
joe rogan
I didn't know I could walk the dog.
I've just been letting him shit in my mouth for two months.
You can watch the sunrise or the sunset.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow, both of them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
We're so lucky.
joe rogan
You can do yoga.
tony hinchcliffe
My goodness.
joe rogan
I would just let us be responsible.
tony hinchcliffe
Silly list.
joe rogan
Just, you know, that list is silly.
Just, first of all, that's a first draft.
Edit.
Take out Sunrise and Sunset.
That's a big duh.
You know?
Take out all the duhs.
You like writing lists.
Anybody writes a list like that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Sweden's looking at that list and laughing all the way to the bank, literally.
joe rogan
Answer me this.
How come you can play badminton?
When you're playing badminton, sometimes you're right up on each other.
Aren't you?
It's not that far away.
tony hinchcliffe
You can get close, I think.
joe rogan
No, you don't, right?
unidentified
You'd be in the distance.
No.
joe rogan
Do you spike it?
jamie vernon
It did say volleyball is on the list and they're spiking a volleyball.
joe rogan
Oh, well, volleyball, it has to be singles.
It has to be one...
I think they said singles.
jamie vernon
I don't know how you can play a singles volleyball.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
You're still touching this ball.
So it's like touching someone's hands.
It's the same thing.
If you have this and it's on the ball, it's going to get on the ball.
When the person catches the ball, it's going to get on their hands.
They're going to touch their eyes.
They're going to throw the ball again.
And you're going to do this for hours.
You're going to get each other's cooties.
You might as well just make out.
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
Plus their sweat.
joe rogan
Yeah, they sweat.
You're breathing hard.
You definitely get close to each other when you get real close to them.
If you're like, I've seen dudes kiss.
They jumped up and as they were...
tony hinchcliffe
That's one of the main moves in volleyball.
joe rogan
They give each other a kiss and they try to swat that ball down.
I mean, they might as well be kissing.
tony hinchcliffe
That's how you start the game in West Hollywood.
joe rogan
That would be a great way to fuck with your opponent.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
As he's reaching up to get that ball, you give him a smoocher.
Right on the lips.
And like in a movie, you guys peek up together.
Imagine if that's all it took to turn you gay.
If there was a move.
But imagine if a guy could make you gay.
How weird is it that you can get knocked out?
Getting knocked out is crazy.
The idea that you just get smacked on the face and you go unconscious and everything just shuts off.
tony hinchcliffe
That would be hilarious.
joe rogan
Imagine if there was like a button that you had.
Like if someone touched a button right on your taint.
It's like a reset button on an electrical outlet.
The circuit blows.
He's gonna push it back in.
Pop!
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That volleyball scene.
Isn't there a thing where Quentin Tarantino breaks down how gay this movie is?
jamie vernon
That's what I thought of it, I think.
Speaking of Tom Cruise.
joe rogan
Like a video of it, right?
jamie vernon
He's gonna make a movie in space.
joe rogan
Of course he's gonna make a movie in space.
He's Tom fucking Cruise.
Yeah, this is a...
If I was into gay men, this would be awesome.
Right?
If you're a gay guy and you're like, damn, look at these guys.
This is a movie for you.
If you look at it that way...
jamie vernon
Well, whoever wore jeans on the beach to play volleyball, too.
joe rogan
Well, also, they slide into the sand and then miraculously, right after they slide into the sand, they are clean and shiny with glistening sweat and no sand on them.
jamie vernon
You just did the sand.
You just dove.
joe rogan
But watch.
They hit the sand all the time, but there's no sand on them.
Instead, they're perfectly glistening.
jamie vernon
It's magic sand.
tony hinchcliffe
This is a weird...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't think I've ever really watched Top Gun the whole way through.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Back that up.
Why does Tom Cruise walk like that?
Back that up.
Back that up.
Watch this walk.
Here we go.
That's very odd.
That's an odd walk.
Maybe he hurt himself out there.
tony hinchcliffe
Volleyball injury.
joe rogan
Bro, he does all his own stunts too.
Like motorcycle stunts.
He's probably hurt all the time.
tony hinchcliffe
He jumped out of a...
I watched the video.
They have video of him being videoed while jumping out of that plane in Mission Impossible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is that?
unidentified
Nuts.
joe rogan
What is that?
tony hinchcliffe
Nuts.
joe rogan
The video of him hanging on the plane.
What is he doing there?
Is he attached by a latch or something?
Have you seen that shit?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
There's a video of him and supposedly it's actual video of him hanging from the side of the plane.
He doesn't get enough credit for this.
He's a goddamn maniac.
This.
Look.
He's giving them the thumbs up, and so this fucking plane takes off, dude, and he's actually hanging off the edge of this.
Look at this.
unidentified
Watch.
joe rogan
He lets his legs go and everything.
This is nuts, man.
Look at this.
jamie vernon
It's the raw footage from the camera.
joe rogan
This is insane.
So he's really letting this plane take him in the air, and he's hanging on from the power of L. Ron Hubbard.
Look at this.
tony hinchcliffe
No, there it is.
You can see it.
joe rogan
What are you seeing?
tony hinchcliffe
There's a thing right there.
You see that rope?
jamie vernon
The rope.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, the rope is connecting him.
But still, that's him.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, that's nuts.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
I'm not saying this is the only thing keeping him up there.
I'm saying, what the fuck, man?
What the fuck, man?
He's strapped to the side of a plane, and he's Tom Cruise.
He's like a huge movie star.
What kind of insurance policy was involved in this scene?
jamie vernon
When he broke his ankle, they stopped for like six weeks, I think.
joe rogan
Bro, if I was the director, I'd say, look, we're going to shoot this scene last.
I would write in fake endings to the movie where Tom Cruise's character dies, and then his sister comes in.
I would have Scarlett Johansson on standby, ready to come avenge Tom Cruise, because we see him fly off the back of that plane.
And that would be a real controversy thing.
Like, should we actually show him falling off the plane to his death?
And they'd be like, look, Tom would want us to.
And so they leave it in there.
And we all get to watch like a Tom Cruise snuff film.
tony hinchcliffe
I'd love that.
We would love that.
People love that.
joe rogan
The thing is, I would watch it.
I don't want it to happen, but if I knew there was a video of Tom Cruise dying because he fell off the side of a plane, how do you not watch that?
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
How did he not watch that?
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, look at when Heath Ledger died basically from playing the Joker that whole time.
He's on the pills and everything.
He can't sleep.
Everybody went and watched that.
joe rogan
Is that why he died, you think?
Like, he got addicted to pills because of the Joker?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, no.
He just wasn't sleeping.
He wasn't taking care of himself through the entire filming of that movie.
joe rogan
Oh.
tony hinchcliffe
They didn't even finish it, right?
I don't think so.
I think he died right at the end of filming.
joe rogan
Oh.
tony hinchcliffe
Not positive on that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
I feel like he died during the process, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a bummer, man.
That guy can act his ass off.
You gotta assume, though, I always do, when someone's that good at something, they're probably just really chaotic.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, mentally chaotic.
And some of those people just need to calm that fucking demon down.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He was filming a different movie.
They had just finished that, The Dark Knight.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So he was done and he was on the next thing.
Like John Belushi, right?
Here's another one.
You see that guy.
He was so ferocious in some of his characters.
He was so wild.
They must have been demons.
Just demons!
tony hinchcliffe
I'll name another one right now.
Philip Seymour Hoffman.
joe rogan
Oh, he's brilliant.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Brilliant.
tony hinchcliffe
I just watched one I hadn't seen with him.
Nuts, man.
That was so good.
He did one with the guy that made There Will Be Blood, that director.
I can't remember the name of it.
joe rogan
He's in those Hunger Games.
unidentified
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, but I'm not.
joe rogan
He's good in those.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know those movies are silly.
tony hinchcliffe
Philip Seymour Hoffman's a freak.
joe rogan
He was really good.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he's got an impressive list.
If you look at the movies that he's done, you go over it and you go, oh, wow, I forgot about that one.
I forgot about that one.
tony hinchcliffe
And he makes, even the ones that look like they'd be lame.
I went down, this is when the quarantine started.
This is one of the big rabbit holes I went down.
It was a Philip Seymour Hoffman one.
And even the movies that look like they wouldn't be great are great.
There's a few actors that really, I think, read the scripts that they're offered and have a real take on them.
And they make everything good.
That Ben Mendelsohn guy, I don't know if you've ever saw Bloodline, but he's another one of those actors.
joe rogan
Is he that guy that was in 30 Days of Nights?
There's a guy who's in 30 Days of Nights, which is a really fun vampire movie while you're quarantined.
Good fuck.
Have you seen it?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
jamie vernon
No, he's the guy from The Outsider.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
The cop from The Outsider.
Show me.
Oh!
That guy's amazing!
tony hinchcliffe
You can look up anything he's done.
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was in Ready Player One.
He was the bad guy.
Remember?
He was great in that.
tony hinchcliffe
He's an unbelievable bad guy.
joe rogan
He's so good as the cop in The Outsider.
The Outsider is really fun.
I really enjoyed that.
I hope they make a part two of that.
That was creepy as fuck.
And that woman who played the savant...
She played sort of autistic savant.
That lady was amazing.
She was so good.
Like that whole cast, the guy who was her boyfriend in that, who was also from House of Cards, that guy's amazing.
So that was a great little fun supernatural series.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, incredible.
joe rogan
That lady who played the autistic one, like, I wonder what she's like in real life, because she's so good.
tony hinchcliffe
Completely different.
I actually found this out because I was...
joe rogan
What is her name?
jamie vernon
I forget.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
jamie vernon
She played Rosa Parks and, like, sung at the Oscars, too.
joe rogan
She's amazing.
She played it perfect.
Like, that's a weird read to play a super genius who's on the spectrum.
You know, that's a weird read, but also relatable and really likable.
She just figured out the perfect frequency.
You know, some people can play a psycho and you're like, God damn, that seems psycho.
Like the old lady.
On Ozark, the old lady who grows the heroin.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Holy shit is she good.
Holy shit is that lady good.
Who is that lady?
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
She's amazing.
She scares the fuck out of me.
jamie vernon
Cynthia Erivo, I believe is how you say that.
joe rogan
So Cynthia Erivo is the woman who plays the autistic lady on The Outsider.
Who is the lady now that plays the heroin lady in Ozark?
That lady is scary, man.
She's fucking terrified.
She's for sure the most terrifying person in a show filled with terrifying people.
She scares me more than the Navarro guy does.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, she's completely crazy.
She's so scary, dude!
She killed her own husband.
joe rogan
I know, but she's so believable.
That lady who's the actress is fucking brilliant.
What is her name?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Just go to cast.
tony hinchcliffe
That scene when she started banging the kid reminded me of, remember the scene in Kingpin where he has to have sex with a neighbor?
joe rogan
She plays Darlene.
That's her name, right?
Isn't it Darlene?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yes, that's the lady.
Lisa Emery.
jamie vernon
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Dude, she's incredible.
She's so scary!
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's so scary on that show.
And the other woman, the lawyer woman, she scares the fuck out of me too.
Helen.
Goddammit, who's that lady?
That lady's amazing as well.
jamie vernon
Janet.
joe rogan
She's terrifying.
They steal the show.
That's one of the interesting things about Ozark is you want to talk about a show that's like an equal opportunity show.
It's a terrifying show and the two scariest characters are women.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Mind-boggling.
joe rogan
It's a great show!
tony hinchcliffe
It's so good!
unidentified
One of my favorites.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's funny because, you know, it's written and directed by Jason Bateman.
And when I first visited California the first time, I just graduated high school and I was out here visiting my brother.
And we got lost.
We were in this SUV and we got lost going around the Hollywood Hills.
And at one point, my brother stops to ask for directions.
Somehow we got lost.
Like, it's like looking back on it, it's like you just go down the hill, right?
But we didn't know what side we were on.
Anyway, he stops to ask this guy that's walking on the side of the street, who's clearly on the cell phone, which way to get back down.
He's like, excuse me, sir.
Excuse me.
And this guy turns around, and it was Jason Bateman.
And Jason Bateman's on his phone, and he looks back at my brother, and he's looking at my brother like, can't you see?
He didn't say a word, but he looks at his phone like, can't you see I'm on the phone?
unidentified
Like, what are you, an idiot?
tony hinchcliffe
But he didn't say anything.
He just looked at his phone and looked at us like that and kept walking, went back on his phone call.
So after that, I'm like, you know what?
Screw that Jason Bateman guy.
I didn't really find none of that one sitcom he was on never really connected with me or whatever.
And so I always thought I was anti-Jason Bateman.
And then here we are so much later, almost 20 years later, and I realized that day that we were the assholes.
Stopping.
Of course we saw that he was on the phone.
In retrospect, if anybody did that to me or anyone I know, we would do the same.
Can't you see him on the phone?
joe rogan
It looks like Sebastian.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
joe rogan
Oh, you gotta pull up this video from Sebastian's Instagram.
He's walking and these people are walking up the hill behind him with water bottles on their heads.
It is the most Sebastian thing you'll ever see in your life.
It's brilliant.
If someone wanted to say, like, hey, that's Sebastian.
He's really funny, right?
What's this comedy like?
Watch this video.
Give me some volume.
Give me some volume.
Look at this.
tony hinchcliffe
You bother me.
Look at this.
unidentified
Oh, are you walking with bottles on your head?
You bother me.
joe rogan
See, that is so...
He's laughing while he's saying it.
benjamin jaffe
It's 100% his personality.
joe rogan
You bother me.
tony hinchcliffe
He kills me harder than almost anybody in the world.
joe rogan
He's very funny in a very unique way.
He's very funny in his own way.
He's like Theo in a lot of ways.
Like if someone said, like, how do you describe Theo's comedy?
I'm like, he's Theo Vaughn.
He knows how to be Theo Vaughn, and it's amazing.
And Sebastian is real similar in that way.
He knows how to be Sebastian.
He's got that...
He just is himself, and it just, oop, it works.
You couldn't write it down on paper.
That's one of the weirder things about comedy.
Some of those people that are like that, Harlan Williams.
Tell me what that is.
Explain that to me.
You can't explain it.
You just gotta see it, and then you'll be laughing.
Hey there, butternuts, flapjacks, peachy pie.
You're like, what the fuck?
tony hinchcliffe
I get nervous around Sebastian.
He's one of the only people.
I'm more comfortable around Chappelle than I am around Sebastian.
Like, it's literally, there's just something about his entire aura.
Like, I'm always afraid I'm gonna say something or do something stupid or trip.
unidentified
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're worried about that comedic observation.
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
What the f- He's so fucking funny to me.
unidentified
I think I was- Touch a nice guy, too.
joe rogan
Like, just such a sweetheart of a guy.
Always has been.
Always been a nice guy.
Always hustled.
tony hinchcliffe
Those Italian stories and delivery hit me.
I almost feel like I'm related to him, and he's just this funny guy.
joe rogan
Did I tell you what happened with his cousin?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Dude.
So somebody tells me, hey, I heard Sebastian's house got robbed.
And I'm like, what?
So I text him.
And he said, no, it's actually my cousin.
He has the exact same name as me.
And two guys broke into his house and he fought one of them on a security camera and then went inside and shot the other one.
Killed the guy.
Yeah, the guy pulled a gun on him in his fucking house.
And so the guy who he beat up gets charged for murder.
Because when you commit a crime and it causes someone to die, you get charged for the actual death.
Isn't that crazy?
jamie vernon
Wow.
joe rogan
Cousin of comics, Sebastian Manasako.
And there's video of these guys breaking into his door.
It's really crazy.
Like you can see the video of he comes storming out with the guy and he's fighting with this home invader guy.
And meanwhile, there's another guy inside his house with his family.
So here he is.
He's fighting with this guy.
He's got no shoes on, right?
That looks like he has no shoes on, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He's just beating the fuck out of this guy.
And apparently he practices martial arts.
He's a big look-see-do practitioner.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's not the Tai Chi.
joe rogan
So then he goes inside.
He beats the fuck out of that guy.
That guy runs off.
He goes inside and then he kills a guy.
I believe he took the guy's gun from him and shot him.
I think that's what happened.
I'm not sure though.
I believe somebody told me that.
How did the guy die?
Let's see if we can find it.
tony hinchcliffe
Did they think that it was Sebastian Maniscalco?
joe rogan
Well, somebody did.
That's why they contacted me and they said, hey, Sebastian's house got broken into.
I was like, what?
So I called him.
I texted him.
The whole thing's really crazy, though.
Okay.
Um, he followed the wife and the two children up to the second floor bedroom with his gun drawn, prosecutor said.
Um, the, the, the bad guy, Brodacks, broke through the bedroom door, pushed the children onto the bed and pointed the gun at Manasako's wife as she begged him not to shoot, prosecutor said.
After Manasako chased off the first guy, Finan, he retrieved his own gun and fatally shot Brodacks in the abdomen.
Wow.
Jesus Christ.
So the guy had a gun pointed at his family.
And he used his own gun.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, it's in Illinois, so that's where he's originally from.
They must have thought it was actually Sebastian Maniscalco, the comedian.
joe rogan
So the other guy has been captured and faces murder charges under an Illinois statute that allows for such crimes to be leveled against suspects if they take part in a felony offense that leads to another person's death.
unidentified
Man.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
You know, and that's why people have guns.
You know, and nobody wants to hear that story.
You don't want to hear that story, because that story's a pro-gun story.
You know, it's anti-gun because someone tried to rob the guy's house with a gun, but it's pro-gun, and if he didn't have a gun, what would have happened?
Yeah, it's anti-gun because someone used a gun in a robbery.
But it's pro, if he didn't have a gun, maybe his family would be dead.
You have to be able to see both sides.
Because the gun control argument is such a weird one.
People, like, they dig heels in.
Left people dig on this side.
They have, like, a set of beliefs that you're allowed to have.
And then the people on the right dig on another side.
You know, the Second Amendment is right.
It's not a privilege.
You know, we own this.
And this is...
tony hinchcliffe
And the media definitely doesn't cover it when it goes right with guns.
joe rogan
They did here because it's Sebastian's cousin.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
But it's not like, if it went the other way, you know, if some people got shot to death inside their home, it would be an anti-gun argument.
You know what I'm saying?
Which is interesting because if you have a gun like he did, the people broke into his house and he was able to protect his family.
That's the best case scenario for gun ownership.
Well, the best case scenario is never having to use it and the next best is being able to use it to protect your family because that's what it's there for.
So it's actually a pro-gun story.
It would be an anti-gun story if he didn't have a gun.
That's what's crazy.
If he didn't have a gun and the guy shot his family, it would be an anti-gun story.
But because he had a gun, it's a pro-gun story.
Isn't that interesting?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
You saw the one with the church where the guy went in for a mass shooting and the guy standing against the back wall of the church had a gun too and just got him right away.
joe rogan
Yeah, an armed trained man with a gun.
I know a guy in Vegas.
He got carjacked recently.
And he's like a competitive shooter.
I mean, he has videos of him practicing shooting with pistols.
He's a marksman, incredible fast draw, and he killed this guy in a gunfight.
That's a pro-gun story.
I pulled a gun on him.
And he could have lost his life.
Instead, he survived because he had a gun.
It's one of those things.
Guns are one of those things like being a person.
Being a person is weird.
It's not clear.
We're not numbers.
It fluctuates.
What we are, the way we live, fluctuates.
Right now, things are weird.
Almost all of our decisions that we have to make about everything.
I'm like, well, if we just open up the country, we're going to lose a lot of people.
You know, we should maybe hold it back.
And then the other argument, if we don't open up the country, we're going to lose a lot of people.
So what are we going to do?
We're going to let the people die because of despair and homelessness and suicide, drug addiction, because they've lost everything.
There's going to be those two.
It's like everything else, man.
All things involving people.
Well, there's this and that.
There's a lot of stuff like this that people want to have a definitive answer.
Like, you know, are we waiting too long to open up?
Is Florida jumping in too quick?
Who's right?
Who's wrong?
We don't fucking know!
These are educated guesses.
But it's just one of those things of being a person.
When things get started up again and no one knows what the future is going to be, there's just a lot of predicting.
We're not right all the time.
tony hinchcliffe
It's just especially scary because the news is so picky and choosy and weird about how they're covering things.
It seems like it's almost all bad news now on the cable news programs.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's where they get the most money.
It's like they're being rewarded for it.
But I mean, I understand from their perspective is that they only have an hour and there's a lot of fucking bad news.
You know, when you're getting all the bad news from seven billion people plus around the world, a lot of it's going to suck.
You only have an hour.
Things are happening 24 hours a day.
The news itself as like a show is really preposterous.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, oh, we're going to condense it all into an hour.
But isn't it the real stuff that's happening?
How can it be condensed at all?
And do you have to do that anymore?
Do you know when this guy has this show and that guy has that show and the show goes for an hour and they're going to cover these details and show you what went wrong?
There's so many things that went wrong.
If you just want to concentrate on things that went wrong, you could do it 24 hours a day and never run out of material.
But you gotta almost kind of, is that the world?
Is it things that went wrong?
Is that the world?
Or is the world like a lot of shit that went right?
Like when we're hearing the news, all they really want to discuss There's the things that are going to freak you the fuck out.
There's not a whole lot dedicated to making you feel good about our prospects.
It does control a lot of how the people who watch it think about things because they're really influential.
They're wearing makeup.
There's a spotlight on them.
tony hinchcliffe
And it says news and it has a ticker.
And we're meant to believe that we can trust them.
joe rogan
Good lord.
It's hard to trust anybody.
It's hard to trust anybody when things are weird.
You know, you don't know who's telling the truth.
Like, oh my god, there's so many different things that are going on all at once right now, right?
They're trying to figure out if the disease came from a lab, you know, did they accidentally release this thing?
China's mad at us, and we're mad at China, and all these countries are gonna sue China.
Like there's so many things that are bouncing around in sort of the global consciousness that you have to pay attention to.
I heard Kim Jong-un was sick.
Oh my god, he might die.
They flew in Chinese doctors.
His sister might take over.
And then we gotta pay attention to the sister.
She looks mean, man.
The sister looks mean.
Like, that kind of stuff is, if you absorb what's in the media, that kind of stuff will literally change the way you view the world, and that will change the way you act in the world, and that will literally make things suck.
It'll make things suck more if you go out and only concentrate on things that are terrible.
tony hinchcliffe
Another show that's up there with Ozarks for me now is Succession.
And that is about a very rich family that owns their own cable news channel.
joe rogan
Oh God.
tony hinchcliffe
And very, very interesting to see from that perspective.
Not to say that it's completely accurate, but...
I mean, they have control if they want something promoted or left out.
It's just that easy, like you said.
They're smashing it all into an hour, even though it keeps running, but like an hour program.
It's so easy just to decide what you leave out.
It does so much for something, or a story, or a product, or a stock, or anything that you invest in, or own yourself, or anything like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, Succession's a really great one for sort of, it's almost like a House of Cards-esque view.
How they let you into the presidency, they let you into a cable news network.
Like, they had that one with Jeff Daniels, the newsroom or whatever, but that was sort of janky.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that was the one where he would go on these rants.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're pretty good, but a guy rants that well all the time, like, hey bro, you planning this?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what kind of human being do you want to hear go on these perfectly worded rants all the time?
You know?
Wasn't that weird?
Like, that was his thing.
Like, that was his soft kung fu.
His soft martial art was these rants.
He would bust them out like Tai Chi in the park.
And you'd be like, come on, no one talks like this.
You have conversations with people.
You don't just go on these crazy rants.
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting that they'll try that with a character?
When a guy's really good at rants, like, you should just do this all the time.
Like, every movie with Al Pacino has to have some kind of rant!
Right?
Always.
That's part of who he is.
He's the guy that has a monologue where everybody's standing around going...
And he'll start yelling at you because he's the devil or whatever.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I was going to say the devil's advocate is the best one of that because he literally just gets crazier and crazier.
joe rogan
I wish we could play it.
I wish we could play it.
Yeah.
He was a fucking wizard, man.
Who was better in his prime than Al Pacino?
Think about Scarface.
Goddamn.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Have you seen The Irishman?
joe rogan
No, I haven't seen it yet.
tony hinchcliffe
They got rough reviews, but I loved it, man.
I was shocked because I had super low expectations.
I actually put it on thinking I was going to fall asleep or something.
It was one of those where I'm like, I'm just going to throw this on.
I heard it wasn't that great.
Oh, and I was up the whole time.
I was amped, dude.
If you love Martin Scorsese, you're going to love this movie.
It's like Scorsese doing his, you know, it's just great.
Plus, Sebastian's in it.
Al Pacino destroys.
joe rogan
Is that Jerry Seinfeld's brother?
tony hinchcliffe
Look at this cast.
jamie vernon
Ray Romano.
tony hinchcliffe
Ray Romano.
joe rogan
Is that Ray?
tony hinchcliffe
Kills it.
joe rogan
He looks so weird with that outfit on.
I didn't even recognize him.
That's a weird picture and he's in the dark.
Alright, I didn't watch it.
I'll watch it.
I did hear some fucked up reviews.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, you know what?
I'm glad I heard bad reviews before watching this because it really lowered my expectations and I spent the whole time going, this is so great.
joe rogan
Why'd they say it was bad?
What were they saying was bad about it?
I just heard bad.
Isn't that funny how easy you are to convince?
I really didn't look into it.
I didn't ask my friends.
I was like, oh, someone said it's bad.
jamie vernon
I liked it.
It was good.
tony hinchcliffe
I loved it.
unidentified
Look at Sebastian.
tony hinchcliffe
He kills it in this movie.
jamie vernon
He plays the crazy Joe Gallo.
joe rogan
Oh, does he really?
jamie vernon
That's the opposite of the character you guys were saying.
He's such a nice guy.
unidentified
Exactly.
tony hinchcliffe
He's not so silly at all in this movie.
He plays a fucking badass, which is so cool.
I love it when comedians have those contrasting characters.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Jim Carrey did that a lot, right?
Jim Carrey played some crazy characters.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Well, the cable guy was still pretty funny.
joe rogan
It's still kind of funny, but it was real dark.
tony hinchcliffe
The Truman Show was a good one.
joe rogan
That's a good one.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a real good one.
That is everybody's life now.
Everybody with Instagram live.
That's their life now, you know?
tony hinchcliffe
That's a great movie to re-watch and look at all the little details, where all the little cameras are, why they're showing you things.
The Truman Show's a smart, cool movie.
jamie vernon
I just found out I was looking into the guy that wrote it.
He wrote some cool movies that we've talked almost similarly about.
Gattaca, like the topics of Gattaca.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
That really cool movie, if you've never seen it, called Lord of War with Nicolas Cage, where he plays like an arms dealer.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think I saw that.
Yeah.
No shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nicolas Cage is going to play Joe Exotic.
unidentified
Oh, I love it.
tony hinchcliffe
I love it.
They need to speed this up and just get it done.
Figure out a way.
joe rogan
Oh, please God.
Please God.
tony hinchcliffe
Put these cameramen in hazmat suits and film it.
joe rogan
I just want Joe Exotic to be let out of jail.
That's what I want.
We need a season two.
Come on, Trump.
tony hinchcliffe
Let's go.
joe rogan
Pardon that dude.
I'm not buying it.
I think they railroaded him!
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
The guy admits it.
That other zoo owner guy admits it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he said they railroaded him, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all weird, man.
Like, he definitely did a lot of stupid shit.
You know?
He definitely terrorized that lady.
But it seems like she might have killed her husband, too.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That seems like that's a possibility.
tony hinchcliffe
They need to open that case.
joe rogan
Well, it seems like...
tony hinchcliffe
It's the only thing everybody on that show agrees on.
joe rogan
Once someone just disappears like that, is that really the picture?
Well, that's hitting Nicolas Cage from a long time ago, son.
He doesn't look that good right now.
Yeah, that's probably 15, 20 years old.
That's crazy.
He's going to be perfect for that role.
Remember him in Raising Arizona?
Fucking great, man.
unidentified
So good.
joe rogan
He was great in that movie.
That is a great movie.
That's a fun fucking movie.
Raising Arizona.
jamie vernon
Is that Con Air, I think?
joe rogan
Was that what it's from?
Con Air.
The world of blockbuster movies.
What a weird world that must be, being one of them guys.
tony hinchcliffe
I can't wait to see that.
I wonder how they're going to play that.
Or write that.
joe rogan
It's not going to be as good as the real thing.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Let him out of jail!
Come on.
Get together all your Netflix money.
Hire a good lawyer.
Let him out of jail.
tony hinchcliffe
He was just impossible to stop watching.
joe rogan
He feels bad and he won't do it again.
tony hinchcliffe
Let him out.
joe rogan
Let him out and let's see what kind of straight guys he can convert.
That guy must be some sort of hypnotist.
tony hinchcliffe
Heck yeah.
He's like a gay guy and a homophobe at the same time.
He has a gun, toting a gun.
He's got his own zoo.
He's a tough guy in the middle of Oklahoma that is gay as hell.
joe rogan
Bro, he held it together when that cat was dragging him by his foot.
He pulled off his gun and he shot and didn't even shoot the cat.
He shot and shot away from the cat.
That is a person who knows how to handle shit under pressure.
tony hinchcliffe
In front of a camera.
joe rogan
In front of a camera.
tony hinchcliffe
You can almost hear him say, God damn line if they weren't filming this.
jamie vernon
He's got to be aware of how famous he is right now, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think he really, really knows.
He probably has an idea, but he's not out, right?
I bet the guards taunt him.
Hey bro, you're like the most famous guy in America.
And here's your fucking lunch.
He slides over some terrible meatloaf.
Got him in solitary.
I don't know, man.
She had a husband that just disappeared, and he conveniently left her the whole business, all the money, all of his documents had been altered previous to his death.
There's so much of it that you're like, what?
And she, oh, she has like 100 tigers.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
Whatever, whatever.
That's not even, I mean, the guy's missing and she's devastated.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine your wife chopping you up, feeding you to a fucking pit full of tigers?
Like a Conan movie.
tony hinchcliffe
What better way to get rid of a body, really?
joe rogan
Pigs.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, pigs who probably wouldn't leave any of it.
Maybe, you know, cats might do it too, eventually.
They might chew through the bones.
I wonder if they do that.
Wolves definitely do.
Wolves chew right through bones, which is really crazy if you think about it.
They're chewing through a moose bone.
jamie vernon
The Tiger Park reopened over the weekend.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
jamie vernon
Large crowds.
tony hinchcliffe
GW Zoo?
joe rogan
Of course!
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
joe rogan
It's fucking huge now.
It's a reality show.
tony hinchcliffe
I saw an article where the lady that got her arm bitten off in that documentary.
joe rogan
It's a man, you piece of shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it is?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, you just misgendered her.
tony hinchcliffe
I apologize to the zookeeper there.
joe rogan
Everyone, Tony's been under a lot of stress.
He's been trapped at home.
He hasn't done stand-up in six weeks.
He didn't mean it.
tony hinchcliffe
But I saw an article that just came out yesterday that said that she thinks the zoos shouldn't open because the tigers could give it to each other.
They don't have a way of distancing the tigers.
unidentified
LOL. Do they even know if it goes to tigers?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
There was one thing that said that it did, that one tested positive.
unidentified
I wonder how it affects them.
joe rogan
Maybe they just carry it and it doesn't affect them.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, I was telling you, Jamie, while we were talking about this before, the different groups of people that, in the weirdest, weirdest way, are asymptomatic.
That thing that I sent you, did I send that to you, Jamie?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Let me pull it up.
One of them was about, I think it was a meatpacking plant, and they had some insane number of employees tested positive, all of them asymptomatic.
I know I have it in here somewhere.
If you just give me a second, I'll find it.
jamie vernon
I got a pork plant in Missouri.
joe rogan
Yes, that's exactly where it is.
And that's the place Missouri just opened up concerts.
They're like, let's do it!
So here it is.
370 workers at a pork plant in Missouri tested positive for coronavirus.
All of them were asymptomatic.
All of them.
tony hinchcliffe
That is the work of a boss that gets everybody to work and tells them all to lie.
You never had any symptoms.
joe rogan
That could be true, huh?
tony hinchcliffe
Right?
joe rogan
That's possible.
That's totally possible.
That's totally possible.
Yeah, you gotta take that into consideration.
tony hinchcliffe
We're all getting trouble.
joe rogan
But if they were all there and they tested them, would they have been able to tell if any of them were exhibiting any symptoms?
Yeah, that might be a thing, right?
They might be influenced to not say it.
It's hard to say.
Yeah, you know, when you look at something that's that, that's a good point.
You nailed it there, dude.
When you look at something that's that wild, like all of you, no one felt anything and still worked?
tony hinchcliffe
If not, we all need to move to Missouri.
joe rogan
Right.
Huh.
Yeah, you can't tell, right?
You can't tell.
Like, you can't just say...
And the other one was prisoners.
There was a group of prisoners that...
I'll see if I can find you.
I'll pull that article up for you.
A group of prisoners, and they tested them, and some insane number, like 96% of them.
jamie vernon
98%?
Yeah.
98% tested.
joe rogan
98% were asymptomatic.
So...
Was thinking about this and God forget who I was talking to this about this they were talking about I think was Kyle Kulinski, and we're talking about Your immune system that your immune system when you're in a place like a prison is probably super strong Because there's so many people around you.
You're always interacting with all this different bacteria whereas if you just like Live by yourself in an apartment like you've quarantined for these five weeks and then you're gonna go back out into the world.
Your immune system is like your cardiovascular system.
It's like you don't use it.
So because you don't use it, it's weak.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Your cardiovascular system, if you're exercising all the time, you boost your capacity.
And he was thinking that like that's probably what it's like in prison, too.
I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.
Like we would think the prison would be really unhealthy.
And it probably is for your mind and your body because you're getting shitty food.
But for your immune system, it might actually be quite a workout, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
As long as you're getting enough nutrition, they probably have to feed them some sort of balanced diets, right?
I mean, I would imagine.
How bad do you think prison food is?
tony hinchcliffe
Pretty bad.
Pretty bad.
joe rogan
Like, are there requirements?
What kind of nutrition they have to provide to them?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
That's weird.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, how bad?
I mean, it must be terrible.
Who's complaining?
Like, if they're complaining, this food sucks.
Like, no one's hearing you, bro.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're inside a cage.
You don't get a cell phone.
You don't get nothing.
You get to go outside and make calls that last, like, seven minutes.
And then you get to put more coins in, do it again.
And you stand there in the hallway having these conversations.
These once-a-week conversations with your friends.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
Crazy.
joe rogan
What's fucked up about prison is, like, I don't think it works.
You know, it's like, I don't want to compare people to dogs, but I'm gonna.
We've talked about this before, that, like, if you get a dog, and I've rescued dogs that were just, they were older, and they'd seen too much shit, and by the time you get to them, they're all fucked up.
You know, they growl at people, they snap at people, like...
If you've got a rescue dog that wants to bite people, you can't.
You want a puppy, so that when you raise the puppy, you can teach the puppy that you love it, and this is family, and everybody's cool, and you've got to listen to the rules, though.
You can't shit in the house.
And then you teach it, and then it becomes like this...
I think, in a way, it's really hard to train an older dog.
I know some people are experts at it, but I think they just don't want to learn.
And...
Their life has just been fucked over by people and if you get a like a seven-year-old eight-year-old pound dog that's been abused like oh Fuck that poor dog.
They don't want and it's almost like with some humans the abuse that life throws at us from the time you're young You're kind of like trying to deal with it as you get older and maybe fix yourself and To try to like balance your own self out, but every now and then you'll forget How easy you have it in comparison to some people.
Like if you see some people's lives where it's just poverty and crime and like fucking everyone around them was either a criminal or on drugs and it's like fucking everywhere you look you see despair.
You don't see any happiness.
For someone to come through that, to have the same expectations as they have someone who came through even like my childhood, which was not that bad.
My childhood was a little weird, but it wasn't bad.
No one was, you know, no one was abusive to me.
When someone's abusive to you and then all of a sudden you find yourself, you're 32 and you're trying to get your shit together, but you just, you have visions of being raped or beaten by your uncles and, you know, whatever the fuck it is that's inside your head that just like all day defines you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so hard for people to turn gears.
It's so hard for people that have just said, you know what, I'm just going to numb myself with pills.
Those guys, I'm just going to numb myself.
It's so hard for those guys to get out of that.
It's so hard to go, no, I'm going to run every day and eat healthy food and I'm going to drink only water.
That's hard.
That's way harder than just taking oxys.
So, so many people just want to slide.
If you meet a guy and he's like 31 and he's taking oxy, he's like, how much can you change him?
You have to be so, so driven to change yourself.
And a lot of people just aren't.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's hard to do that stuff if you're not in the routine of doing that anyway.
Exercise and drink water.
joe rogan
Just be healthy.
Go to sleep early.
It's hard.
It's fucking hard to do.
It's hard to not be self-destructive.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But with people, the crazy thing is sometimes they can do it.
Sometimes you can get a guy who's 32, hooked on heroin, and then 10 years later he's running marathons and writing books and super positive, eating healthy, and now he has a family and he's a different person.
That does happen too.
That's the thing about people.
It's like some of us get through, like how many people run 100 miles?
Not many, but I know like three or four.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like it's not, it's not, there's not that many, but some people do it.
And I almost think, like, getting your shit together is a lot like running 100 miles.
Like, everyone can do it if you just force yourself to do it.
But it's fucking hard to run 100 miles.
I can only imagine how hard.
I've never done it.
I would imagine.
Fucking hard to run 100 miles.
Well, it's fucking hard to get your life together, too.
Both things are hard, but some people do.
Less people run 100 miles than get their shit together, though.
So it seems to be easier than running 100 miles by my measurements.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Still hard though.
It's fucking hard.
It's hard to run a mile.
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
joe rogan
Tell people to run a mile.
Most people are just like, what?
A mile?
No problem.
Bitch, go run a mile.
Go run a mile.
Not shuffle.
Not little.
No, I want you to move your body.
I want you to spring bounce, spring bounce.
Let's keep going one mile.
tony hinchcliffe
It's hard.
joe rogan
It's not easy.
tony hinchcliffe
And it changes depending on anything as easy as your last meal.
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Get a bowl of spaghetti and try to go for a run.
joe rogan
Especially like meatballs.
Those breaded meatballs.
Oh, my God.
tony hinchcliffe
That's another thing I've gotten better at during this quarantine.
Oh, dude.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
I gotta give you some elk.
tony hinchcliffe
Yes, absolutely.
Please do.
joe rogan
All I want is pictures.
Take pictures.
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
joe rogan
Take some food porn for me.
tony hinchcliffe
Absolutely.
Ready to go.
I actually fucking...
There's this farmer's market right by where I live.
The original LA farmer's market.
And so they have like multiple butcher shops.
And I was going to...
I was going to different ones when this whole thing first started and trying out different things and different combinations of basically remaking each week my mom's meat sauce, which is different than a regular sauce that has meatballs and this and that.
Anyway, and I kept testing out these different concoctions and one time I nailed it and it really tasted like hers.
And I went back to that butcher shop and did it again and I said to the guy, I go...
Yeah, that stuff I made last week came out just like my mom's.
And he goes, where are you from?
I said Youngstown.
And it turns out that that butcher shop was and is from originally there and that it is the same.
It's basically the same place.
It's all the same meat or cut or whatever they do or how they do it was the same thing.
joe rogan
What are you putting in your sauce?
How are you doing when you say meat sauce?
Are you using ground beef?
tony hinchcliffe
A percentage of ground beef, basically like 50% ground beef, 25% hot ground up Italian sausage, and 25% pork.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You have a formula.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, baby.
And it's been something that I've been tweaking here and there.
It comes out fucking good now.
joe rogan
So you're getting all the food, all the meat from this one place?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, now I get my sausage and my pork from there and the ground beef from the other place.
I have it all figured out now.
joe rogan
So you're like getting deep into this shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
What else are you cooking?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, I mean, really, I'm a big sucker for pasta.
So it's like a lot of different types of sauces and experimentations, like the vodka sauce with like a pinker sauce.
joe rogan
Do you think people hate you because you're so slim and beautiful and yet you eat pasta all day?
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, if they only knew how much pasta.
I eat so much pasta, it's crazy.
I eat pasta like one of those TLC shows where people can't get out of bed without eating pasta.
I am an 800-pound man in this fucking toothpick body.
joe rogan
You're a great eater.
When we do shows and then eat after shows, you eat like a motherfucker.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm always proud of myself when I take down more than you.
I'm always like, yeah, I'm a real fucking man.
I'm a man.
joe rogan
You know who could eat us both under the table, who could literally eat the same amount both of us would eat?
tony hinchcliffe
Who?
joe rogan
Ari Shafir.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
At Fogo de Chao.
Because it's not free.
You pay, but it's all you can eat.
tony hinchcliffe
All I need to get my money's worth.
joe rogan
Well, for him, I'm serious.
If the food keeps coming, he's going to keep eating it.
If it doesn't cost anything, because it's green when you want to go, like when you want to keep it, they come around with these plates full of all this crazy meats and sausages and chicken legs and all this different stuff, and they just keep coming, and you can just take as much as you want, and then when you've got to tap out, you flip your coin over to red.
tony hinchcliffe
He's so cheap, he takes that coin with him.
unidentified
Ari just eats.
joe rogan
He just eats.
It's great.
We're stunned afterwards.
Everyone's sitting around.
Joey Diaz is done.
I'm done.
Duncan's done.
We're staring at him.
He's like, I'm not going to stop.
Why should I stop?
They're going to keep bringing it.
If you keep bringing it, I'm going to keep eating it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so good.
joe rogan
He just kept chowing.
Like a wolf.
Yeah.
Like he was filling himself up.
tony hinchcliffe
That's the food.
I'll feel more of an impact by eating a couple pounds of meat like that than I will from all the pasta in the world.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
tony hinchcliffe
Fogo de Chão slows me down for the evening.
I've learned that if I have Fogo de Chão for lunch, I don't do it on a night where I have to work, which is obviously most nights.
But now, not.
But anyway, that's the one that would affect me, is just a lot of meat.
joe rogan
See, for me, it's totally the opposite.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
For whatever reason, like, when I... I love pasta, too, man.
I love it.
It's so good.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
It's so good.
tony hinchcliffe
There's so many different kinds, too, and they all do different things.
Like, angel hair is great for some things.
joe rogan
You know what I like?
There's this twisty pasta.
It's, like, long like spaghetti.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's thicker.
Like, the tube's thicker, and it's, like, spirally.
tony hinchcliffe
It's long?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's long like a spaghetti.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
I wish I knew the name of it.
But twirly like a rotini?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But twirly all the way down.
Like spaghetti that's twirly.
It's so good.
tony hinchcliffe
How long?
Like that long?
joe rogan
Like a real piece of spaghetti.
Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, dude, it's actually probably a little longer.
I get it from Italy.
So I bought like a couple of cases of it off Amazon.
unidentified
I'm so addicted.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I want to know what that is.
The world needs long...
joe rogan
I'll send you a photo of it afterwards.
tony hinchcliffe
Long rotini.
joe rogan
It comes in like this yellow package.
That's exactly what it looks like.
Fusili longi.
So it's long fusili.
It's so good, dude.
So what I like to do...
If I eat domestic animals, particularly, this is how I like to, a lot of times if I have ribeye with spaghetti, I'll cook the ribeye and get it like, you know, like just about medium rare and then I slice that bitch up and drop it into the tomato sauce.
Just a couple more minutes.
Oh, just get it all in there.
Get all that juicy in there and then and then dump these big thick slices of ribeye with tomato sauce on that Italian pasta.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, I can get fat.
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
unidentified
It gets so fat.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's beautiful.
Sometimes you can put the pasta, you know, you make your pasta.
Some pastas are better put in the sauce directly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And some are better, obviously, keeping them separated.
And some absorb the sauce.
And some of them you cook longer in the sauce and some of them you don't.
joe rogan
See, this resonates with everybody.
Delicious pasta resonates with everybody.
That's why so many women were mad when Adele lost all that weight.
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, no, bitch, I don't want to give up on this fucking pasta.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was with you when you were big.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, there's a new photo of her?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, no, I saw it this morning.
Did you see the controversy?
And the first thing I knew, literally the first thing that I thought of the second my eyes laid on that picture, I'm like, this is going to be crazy because people are going to say in these comments that she's beautiful.
And that's going to be hilarious because you're basically saying that she wasn't beautiful before by saying that she's beautiful now in a weird way.
It's sort of insinuated.
And I didn't even realize until two hours or an hour later after I had woken up that it became like this like news story.
So it's just funny to me because like it's like Is her voice the same?
Right?
Because that's what matters.
joe rogan
Well, it's funny in that why wouldn't you...
Want to applaud someone who did something that's really difficult to do and is now healthier.
If you are an Adele fan, wouldn't you want her to be healthier?
Wouldn't you?
I mean, you want her to be able to keep singing for longer, right?
You love her.
You want her to be healthier.
You don't want her to get...
One of the main things they found in New York City about people that caught COVID-19 that was a real problem was obesity.
Big problem.
She was, at one point in time, much larger, and now she's really slim.
And people are mad...
And saying...
This is what they're saying.
I don't want her to be applauded for losing weight as if it's some wording like this.
Like that I don't want to adhere to these beauty standards.
That she's better looking because she lost weight.
But she is!
And you know that.
The only reason why anybody would want to fight against that when so many people overwhelmingly think she looks better...
It's because they don't want to look at themselves.
It's that simple.
They don't want to change.
And they're trying to bully you in deciding they're beautiful if they're 210 pounds.
That's really what it is.
We're redefining beauty standards.
You can't do that.
You can't decide that the way you look is what everybody should like.
That's crazy.
You can't do that.
And if people have decided worldwide that fitter, healthier bodies are more attractive...
That's just what it is.
It's not redefining beauty standards.
The beauty standards come from what people are attracted to.
Yeah, it's not fair.
You're right, it's not fair.
A lot of shit in life's not fair.
That's just how it is.
If you choose to stay big, that is your choice.
I know it's a difficult choice to try to move your body down and lose weight and get healthy.
We really talked about that.
We were just talking about it.
But you can't say that it's unattractive when someone has a good body, because it is.
So if someone has a better body than they used to have, it looks better.
So that's what a beauty standard is.
This is what people are attracted to when it comes to bodies.
They're attracted to fit bodies.
That's not a shame.
That's not a bad thing.
The idea that this is somehow or another something we need to avoid and putting undue pressure on people, it's nonsense.
It looks great.
If it's pressure on you because other people look great, well what do you do with that pressure?
Do you decide to be better?
Better yourself?
Take care of yourself better?
Do you decide that it's not worth as much to you to worry about what your body looks like and you're more concentrated on maybe art or whatever the fuck else?
That's fine too.
But you can't be mad at people that put a lot of energy in that direction and look better.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Because she looks better.
It's not a bad thing.
tony hinchcliffe
And isn't saying that everybody's body is beautiful no matter what, doesn't that make it like worse for the people with ugly faces?
You know what I mean?
Because like then they're more part of just a smaller group.
Like if there's some lady that has like her eyes are on like the side of her head.
joe rogan
But she has a banging body.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
She still gets action.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I guess.
joe rogan
No problem at all.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Of course, she's hot.
tony hinchcliffe
Well.
joe rogan
Dude, men don't care that much.
tony hinchcliffe
where your eyes are.
joe rogan
Beauty standards are just what are people attracted to.
And people are generally attracted to people that are healthier.
That's just a physical thing that's a part of...
And we're only talking about attractive, like sexual attraction, right?
We're not saying...
If you're 20 or 30 pounds overweight, you look horrible and I don't want to look at you.
I have a lot of friends that are fat.
But it is what it is.
It is what it is.
tony hinchcliffe
And maybe they'll find somebody that's into that.
joe rogan
But you can't decide that people are going to change what they're attracted to.
That's silly.
You can't do that.
They are attracted to people that put out more effort.
They're attracted to people that have the strength to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning and go to the gym before work.
There's something really hot about that.
It's attractive.
It's attractive to someone who takes care of themselves.
It is.
It just is.
Now, it might not be to you, but that's why the world's beautiful.
Because we can all have different things we like and different things we don't like.
But when a giant chunk of people are into this one thing, like nice bodies, it doesn't mean that it's all shallow or terrible or it's somehow or another demeaning to people that don't adhere to those standards.
No, it's a competition.
There's some sort of a physiological competition between males and females in terms of trying to be attractive.
And that's one of the things they do.
They make their body look better.
Another thing they do is dress nice.
They wear jewelry.
They do stuff to make themselves look better.
The idea that making your body look better is somehow or another, this is a bad standard to adhere to when you take your big body that you're not taking care of and you wrap it up in all these crazy clothes and all these ribbons and bows and you show your bare midriff because you're brave and you got your big old ass and these jeans.
It still looks pretty good.
Don't get me wrong.
Still look great.
tony hinchcliffe
Honestly, I thought Adele looked a little, I thought she looked cuter, a little bit thicker.
Now she sort of looks, I mean, granted she looks healthier, but she looks a little bit more just basic, you know what I mean?
Sort of just like all the other pop stars.
joe rogan
Well, in every movie where there's a guy who's kind of a fuck-up, who's going to get in trouble, it's a guy who's built like you with a woman who's like 250 pounds, and she tells him what to do.
So maybe it's like a thing.
Hasn't David Spade played a character like that?
He's got a big wife or a big girl, right?
There's always a few of those.
tony hinchcliffe
I think so.
joe rogan
Maybe that's your thing.
Maybe you liked Adele when she was...
jamie vernon
Shallow Howl.
joe rogan
Shallow Howl, yes!
That's right.
Yeah, dude.
Maybe that's your thing.
tony hinchcliffe
His what?
joe rogan
Big ones.
You're like, I'm big.
So when Adele was big, you're like, yes!
Control me!
Hold me down!
tony hinchcliffe
Maybe.
I don't know.
I want to know what her voice sounds like.
What if she sounds horrible now?
Because she had that operatic...
Right?
Powerful, powerful voice.
joe rogan
I was having a conversation with a buddy who told me he liked to have a ball gag put in his mouth.
I was like, really?
tony hinchcliffe
What was he talking about?
Was he talking about during sex?
joe rogan
I think, yeah, exactly.
tony hinchcliffe
Is this a podcast?
unidentified
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
During sex.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what people are into, I'm saying.
You know, I'm not saying that people can't be into big girls.
There's a lot of people into big girls, but a lot of people are into everything, you know?
But that's okay, too.
Like, a lot of people are into weird stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
You gotta try out different things, I think.
If you can get it, it's fun.
joe rogan
Dude, people's brains are not the same.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
The idea that what you like, I'm supposed to like, or what I like, you're supposed to like.
You spend so much time watching pro wrestling.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I watch it every now and then.
I'm like, ah, that's a crazy move.
I can't.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you can.
We're different.
tony hinchcliffe
You can too.
You just haven't yet.
I'll never give up on that.
unidentified
I knew I was going to push his buttons.
tony hinchcliffe
You have to do a fight companion with a wrestling event sometime.
joe rogan
Well, as a comic, you're probably the greatest wrestling in terms of who's a real evangelist.
You're a wrestling evangelist.
You're always trying to get people to watch pro wrestling.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't think it's for everybody, but I think...
I think you would love it.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
jamie vernon
The one without the Wrestlemania event?
The Undertaker's match?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's a sell to him?
joe rogan
I like the girls.
The girls wrestling.
Seems more realistic.
tony hinchcliffe
Wrestlemania was great.
What about the Undertaker?
You didn't like it?
It was very cinematic.
They've been doing things more like a movie as of late because they don't have an audience.
unidentified
That's a great way to put it.
jamie vernon
Cinematic.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I enjoyed Ronda Rousey.
She made a great transition to WWE. She really did.
She really did.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, she's great at it.
joe rogan
Well, she's a pro.
That's why she was a medalist in Judo in the Olympics.
That's why she was a beast in MMA. She's a pro, and she took to that like a pro.
She really played the heel well.
She played mean well.
It was great.
Physically, she can do so much with her judo.
There's so much shit.
The way, how strong she is, the way she can throw women around.
It's pretty crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
And because of that, that's what really works, is when it looks like she messed something up, sort of, is the best stuff.
That's what you sort of want.
joe rogan
So it makes it feel real to you.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Why don't you just watch real shit?
The fuck is wrong with you?
tony hinchcliffe
I do.
I watch real stuff, too.
There's a huge crossover of people that...
joe rogan
Enormous.
tony hinchcliffe
Our MMA and pro wrestling fans.
joe rogan
Even, like, really respected journalists in MMA. Oh, yeah.
Big time.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, they were all going crazy over WrestleMania.
I couldn't believe it.
Ariel Helwani and Brett Okamoto, all of them were talking about...
I could not believe it because I follow...
I don't follow many people on Twitter, but I follow those guys.
And I'm like, these?
And sure enough, the one, like, wrestling journalist that I followed on at...
It was like, this is crap.
This is the worst Wrestlemania ever.
I'm like, oh my god, this is nuts.
joe rogan
But isn't that always the case?
Someone's going to say it's fucking terrible and someone's going to say it was the best thing I've ever seen.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
With fucking everything.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
Everything.
joe rogan
God damn it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
That's why The Irishman shocked me.
Granted, it's not like Parasite where it's like, wow, what a crazy work of art, but it was a great Scorsese movie to me.
There's a bad critic for everything now, and whoever got that out there, that The Irishman bad, made it better for me.
Because it lowered my expectations.
joe rogan
Dude, I saw people commenting about Ozark.
Yeah.
Negatively commenting about Ozark.
I'm like, okay, this is just proof of my thing.
That show's masterpiece.
It's a masterpiece.
If you're into a dramatic thriller where you don't know where the fuck they're going, that show is a goddamn masterpiece.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Every show leaves you hanging on the edge.
You can't wait to find out what the fuck happened.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a masterpiece!
And I was reading all these dismissive comments.
I was like, oh my god, thank you.
It just puts it all into perspective.
Who are we listening to?
Who's writing that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Jason Bateman's a monster.
unidentified
Monster!
tony hinchcliffe
The fact that he's directing that is insane.
That's a great transition to directing.
joe rogan
One time, though, his daughter had a cell phone.
She had an Android phone.
And she was making a text to him.
And he was making a text to her, and they would see the dot, dot, dots, dot, dot, dots.
But you don't get those on an Android phone.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, very interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get those if you've got an iPhone, bitch.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Right?
That's why Ian Edwards keeps an Android.
It's like, son, I don't want anybody to know what I'm texting from a fucking computer.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
He goes, you tell me you could be texting some shit and someone's reading it on a computer?
unidentified
Why is it even on there?
tony hinchcliffe
He's like, he's right!
joe rogan
You ever get a text message on your laptop and you just feel violated?
Like, what is this?
Why are you texting me here?
Why is it showing up here?
I'm trying to get away from my phone!
I'm working over here!
That's annoying, right?
tony hinchcliffe
I just got a new laptop and I can't figure out how to shut that off.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, you got to go in your settings.
tony hinchcliffe
I couldn't find it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can shut it off, but sometimes it turns itself on again.
tony hinchcliffe
It's super annoying.
joe rogan
It's weird, too, because Apple figured out that the blue bubble looks better.
It's really simple.
And so if a text message comes in, it doesn't just say text message instead of iMessage.
No, no, no.
You'll also get a different color, bitch.
tony hinchcliffe
Imagine if it was black.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
It's like, oh, black with white letters is pretty dope.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that'd be the best.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Well, you could do that, too.
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
joe rogan
You know, you get a nighttime mode.
tony hinchcliffe
I gotta do that.
joe rogan
You don't know about that?
jamie vernon
No.
I know I've mentioned this before, but the thing that really bothers me about it is that the color for the app is green.
They fucked it by putting the mail app blue, and you can't just have another blue app, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, but when you do get a green bubble with a black screen, it's not as bad.
The color combination of green on black is not as bad as green on white.
Green on white is kind of offensive.
It just looks wrong.
It doesn't belong with it.
It's like they tricked us.
It's very wise, because all text used to be green.
And then they realize blue looks better.
unidentified
Shh!
Quickly!
Quickly take the blue!
They just took blue.
joe rogan
They just took it.
But here's the thing.
If you have an Android phone and you send it through their messages app, you know, their little client that they use to send text messages, you can have it all kinds of colors.
You could actually change it.
You could make it red.
You could make it black.
You could do a bunch of shit.
It's all customizable.
That's why they like it.
But Apple keeps you locked into their little system.
jamie vernon
I've updated my Windows PC recently, and they're trying to do something like that.
I'm not letting my phone and computer buy into it, but it's like, hey, by the way, you know you can connect your phone when you sign in now and have all of this shit here.
I'm like, no.
joe rogan
Whenever I think about, I see those messages, I read them back to myself in the same voice as the demon trying to convince Bruce Jenner to be a woman.
Remember that bit that I used to do?
That's how I read them.
You can connect your phone.
Come on.
Join the Matrix.
jamie vernon
You would know a little bit about this.
There's something I discovered last night, but there's a new popular game that's out, and the anti-cheat program that runs in the background of your computer goes all the way down to the kernels of your computer, which is something different.
Don't be a pussy.
Nothing wrong with pain in your kernels.
The company that owns this and runs it is based in China, and that is a potential spyware or something like that.
unidentified
Don't be a racist.
Nothing wrong with Chinese stuffing your kernels.
We lie.
joe rogan
Lock into the matrix.
How long before the first person gets in the matrix?
Do we have five years even?
I don't think so.
I don't think we have five years before we have bolts in the back of our head that we tie into a clamp.
Big old hose.
jamie vernon
Thing right here.
I was looking around.
This is a potential...
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ!
jamie vernon
...from Northwestern University, a COVID tracking thing that...
They're tested with less than 30 people.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so crazy.
jamie vernon
It was used to track stroke patients and changes in your breathing and lungs or something, and sounds in there that connect to a device, which is your phone, and let you know if something's up.
joe rogan
What better way to get integrated with the grid than to create a virus that makes you wear a mask, takes away your humanity, can't touch each other, Gotta stay away.
No social contact.
So you're getting more and more addicted to your TV and your phone.
More and more addicted to your laptop.
unidentified
I'll free you.
joe rogan
But you gotta take a test.
And then I gotta put a tracking thing on you.
Because I want to make sure that you're a good boy, Tony.
You're a good boy.
You don't go catching no COVID and spreading it around.
So I gotta know where you are.
So I can chart out the health of the public.
tony hinchcliffe
Frightening.
joe rogan
Can't give that up, folks.
Five-stage reopening process based on risk.
jamie vernon
Los Angeles announced within the hour.
joe rogan
Stage one.
Safer at home order.
Planning for recovery.
Stage two, which we're about to go into.
That's now, right?
jamie vernon
This is as of Friday.
joe rogan
This Friday.
Florists.
Some retailers.
Car dealerships.
Golf courses.
And trails.
Soon.
Other low risk businesses.
Manufacturers.
Office.
Retail.
Essential healthcare.
Outdoor recreation.
And libraries.
I thought we already could.
Outdoor recreation.
jamie vernon
Sort of what we were talking about earlier.
But you have to wear.
They say here.
It's on this screen.
You have to wear face covering.
When you go out there on the trails.
joe rogan
So are they making runners wear face masks while they're running?
unidentified
No.
jamie vernon
Not out on the streets, I don't think, but if you're in a trail, you could probably get stopped.
joe rogan
Find out if that's true because I've been reading all these things that say that there's, you know, we joked around about it before, like if someone passes you when they're running, like how close are they to you?
But it doesn't seem like there's any sort of science to say that it spreads that way.
jamie vernon
I've read that and didn't think that that was true too, but I texted Brendan Schaub.
He said he got a ticket for being on that trail.
I don't know what the ticket was for.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
I was like, did you really get a ticket?
He said, yeah.
joe rogan
Did he get a ticket for just being there or did he get a ticket for not wearing a mask?
jamie vernon
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
So, museums, cultural centers, and galleries.
Thank God they can open up LACMA and you can stare at a plexiglass box at some fucking dipshit glued together.
tony hinchcliffe
Look at that, stage three.
joe rogan
Separated with velvet ropes.
Stage three, high-risk businesses, body art, massage bars, nightclubs.
Movie theaters and bowling alleys.
So we have to wait.
We have to wait for the next stage.
And then stage four, higher risk businesses, entertainment venues.
Oh, wait a minute.
That might be us.
But wait a minute.
Yeah, like what is an entertainment venue?
Is that like a large arena?
jamie vernon
There might be more like 1,000 people more, like a concert venue.
joe rogan
Don't say 1,000.
Jamie gave him a bad idea.
Say 3,000.
3,000.
We want theaters.
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
joe rogan
We can do comedy in theaters.
If they shut down all the arenas and I just have to do 10 shows instead of one, we can do that.
jamie vernon
This is just Los Angeles.
joe rogan
I know, but these fucks, it doesn't matter.
This is...
jamie vernon
Also, Ohio just passed a law they said to change what the Department of Health is doing so that they're superseding the rules in their Congress.
They only have 14. I don't know.
joe rogan
Listen, I think ultimately, we're hating this with what California's doing.
Ultimately, there's way less people that got it here than got it anywhere else.
So it's probably a good idea.
But as a comedian, it fucking sucks.
unidentified
It sucks.
joe rogan
It's not in the highest of risks.
It's it sucks.
I know quite a few people that have had it and we're gonna actually have Michael Yo come on next week.
I'm really interested to talk to him because he had it real bad and he got it from New York and then there's been some speculation that the people who got it from New York they get it from Europe but the people that got it in California a lot of them got it from China which is really interesting because like I wonder if as it went through Europe it got worse.
Like, that's possible, right?
And wasn't that something that they speculated, that there's some sort of different strains?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but couldn't New York people just come to LA easier than people from China?
joe rogan
Yeah, they could.
But I think when they track the origin, I think that's the reason.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, because they can test it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I think there's...
Imagine a moron like me trying to even say this.
But I think there's some sort of a genetic tracing mechanism to what they're doing.
jamie vernon
Going back to November flu samples to see if they can track it to back then, right now.
joe rogan
So they found December though, right?
Is that confirmed or is that just speculated?
jamie vernon
What I saw last night this morning said that.
Early December.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Is that the one in Sweden?
Because I read something that Sweden has it back to November or December now.
joe rogan
Has what back?
tony hinchcliffe
They've traced COVID back to being in Sweden as far as November or December.
joe rogan
Oh, I thought you were saying in terms of their opening back up.
They're kind of opened up.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
In Sweden.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
You also got to realize that Sweden is not the United States.
It's a weird place.
It's really stretched out.
And there's not a lot of people there.
It's nothing like New York.
The thing about New York is...
That's like a house made out of hay and someone drops a cigar and that motherfucker just catches on fire and goes, wah!
There's so many people.
The viral load you must take in every day if you live in Manhattan, on the subway, fucking right next to people, breathing in everybody's air, everybody's coughing and it's getting in.
There's only so much air in that room.
tony hinchcliffe
Even if you talk about, forget about the subway and just talk about the entrance door to either their home or their workplace has hundreds of people, minimum, going through it every single day.
And those hundreds of people that go through that door every single day, they're on the subway or they're walking by people on the street.
It's just too much.
Way too much.
joe rogan
So many people.
unidentified
They're all breathing each other's funk.
joe rogan
Sweden says coronavirus was likely in the country as early as November 2019. That's what I read.
Wow, that's crazy.
jamie vernon
Because they found it in France in December.
He's like, it's most likely.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So they found it in France from that time, too?
jamie vernon
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
I appreciate their approach that they're going through.
And let it be known, Sweden's a smart frickin' place, man.
When I was there with you, Stockholm...
joe rogan
Wow.
So one had a patient in France who was infected with COVID-19 back in December, a month before the contagion was thought to have reached Europe.
Doctors retroactively tested the samples from when the man was admitted to the hospital near Paris on December 27th with a cough, a headache, and a fever.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It really does feel like more than one disease.
And apparently there's a strain in India, and there's some concern that even when they come up with a vaccine, this strain in India is going to be immune to it.
It's not going to work on this strain, because this strain is so different than what's going on right now.
tony hinchcliffe
Do you see COVID toes yet?
COVID toes is a new...
joe rogan
Oh, like you get funky toenails?
tony hinchcliffe
...serious symptom.
No, it's the actual toe-toe.
It turns bright red because of blood clotting, and it is a serious symptom of the coronavirus.
In fact, I saw one person get diagnosed just from that.
They had no other symptoms, so they diagnosed the person because of COVID toes.
Read a whole long thing about it.
joe rogan
Wow.
It's a fucking weird disease, man.
Some people seem to get it and just walk it off.
And other people get it and it's a death sentence.
It doesn't seem like anything else.
Maybe it's just like we just haven't been paying attention to.
You know, when I found out that there was 61,000 people that died from the flu a year ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
61,000?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
That's so many fucking people.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy!
Like, you would have never believed that.
And I know there's been more deaths from COVID. But the other thing we were trying to figure out, somebody tweeted that there was, because of the fact that there's so many COVID deaths, that there's actually a decrease in the amount of people that have died from heart disease.
And they're thinking, how many people are not being counted?
How many people have died of heart disease?
Like, how accurate is the count?
Because I think what they're doing is, if you have COVID... You die.
You died from COVID. They don't investigate to see if there were some other things that might have killed you and COVID just also was there.
Like maybe this is the cause.
Oh, he clearly had a heart attack.
Oh, this is the cause.
He clearly had this.
But now they're saying that COVID might even cause heart attacks in people, you know, and that might cause strokes and weird blood clots in people.
So it's like it's different in different people.
It's so strange.
And it almost feels like we're living like people lived in the past, where you get your information piecemeal.
unidentified
Like, what?
joe rogan
What's happening?
Because it's new, and they don't really know.
It's not like there's an established science about measles, right?
They know what the fuck it is.
They know how to make a vaccine.
They know.
This is not with this.
With this, it's like, what?
We haven't put all the pieces together yet.
So we're experiencing it in real time, along with the world's foremost medical experts.
tony hinchcliffe
Did you see the scientist from Pittsburgh that supposedly was close to a breakthrough that got murdered in a murder-suicide?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, I did see that.
tony hinchcliffe
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It is crazy.
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Like, what the hell?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm in the middle of this Jack Carter novel that's all about crazy espionage and murder and murder for hire and shit.
And, you know, of course, instantly, when I see something like this, I go, oh my god, what if they whacked him and they whacked this guy to cover up their tracks?
They didn't want him to find a cure because they're working on their own cure.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very significant findings.
According to the university.
tony hinchcliffe
That guy does not look like the guy that would get murdered for anything.
joe rogan
Gunshot wounds to the head.
You don't read Jack Carr books.
If you read Jack Carr books, you would totally think he looks like a guy that gets shot because everybody gets shot.
That guy's books are so violent, man.
Everybody's getting shot.
So it says they found him in his townhouse, and then the other person, the suspect they found, shot themselves in a car, right?
Is that what it is?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Returning to his car and taking his own life.
Wow.
See, that's the story.
Is that what happened?
So it could have been like a bad business deal, or maybe a love triangle.
Or...
Something.
Imagine if you were on your way to developing a vaccine for something and that vaccine was gonna net your company an estimated 1.9 billion dollars.
And then this fucking smarty pants dipshit, let's not even say that guy, some guy in Vancouver figures out a way to kill this stuff.
And he wants to publish it.
And you gotta get to him.
Gotta get to him before he publishes it.
Because if he does, if this super smart guy has figured something out about the structure of this virus, and he knows how to fix it, he knows how to fix this problem the world is facing, it's an easy fix.
And that guy winds up dead.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's possible.
That's in books.
I've read it in books.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I guarantee.
Actually, I've listened to it in audiobooks.
But the same thing.
tony hinchcliffe
I've become obsessed with this criminal psychology thing on YouTube called Jim Can't Swim.
And he breaks down interrogation videos.
joe rogan
Oh, I've heard of this guy.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so addictive.
I actually got on Patreon.
And he's the first person I've ever been a Patreon person of.
And I blasted through this stuff.
It is so cool.
And it's all criminal psychology and he talks about how these interrogators and he has great video somehow of these interrogations and how these people break through and he'll stop it and show you like here's what he's doing and here's why and how they get people and why people lie and how they lie and this and that.
It's so damn interesting.
Because you watch people, they cannot cover their tracks.
And then once you watch enough of them, once you're halfway through, you already know.
You're like, oh, they're guilty.
Oh, they just gave it away.
Before he even stops it, you know how it's crazy, that whole criminal world.
They can't lie.
You would think that...
You know, you would think like, oh, I could fool one of those guys.
Like, I could fool a detective if he was interrogating me.
And it's like, no, you cannot.
joe rogan
Well, you know what that's probably like?
Like, I'm gonna heckle this guy.
I'm gonna fuck up his act.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep, exactly.
joe rogan
And then the comedian tortures you.
tony hinchcliffe
I saw one where this lady killed her husband's wife, or killed her ex-boyfriend's wife, right?
Back in college at UCLA. Whoa.
Yep.
Killed her.
Got away with it.
Became an LAPD detective.
Right?
Get this.
25 years later.
Then...
They realize that this detective on their force could potentially be the murderer.
joe rogan
How did they figure out that she could be the murderer?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, they ended up interviewing some people from back then.
They had this cold case.
What's really ironic is that they did so good, all these detectives, that they ran out of basically stuff to do.
So they got to start going way back on cold cases and looking more into them.
And so they looked at some interviews and this and that, and they're like, this lady works on the force.
And then they ended up finding out more and more and more that she could have been attached.
So they kept it a secret.
And they kept it completely secret from her and they just brought her down to a break room saying that they had some questions about something.
Little did she know that the interrogation had begun.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tony hinchcliffe
And she was the worst liar ever.
She literally had 25 years of guilt, like, built up.
It's like a steaming teapot.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
So she's literally like, what is this?
What is this about?
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
You can watch this online.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What is it?
tony hinchcliffe
It's called Jim Can't Swim on YouTube.
joe rogan
That particular one, I want to know that one.
tony hinchcliffe
It begins with an L. The Lazarus Files.
Yep, Stephanie Lazarus.
joe rogan
Jamie, please send me that link.
tony hinchcliffe
Stephanie Lazarus.
joe rogan
See, that's one of those things where I wish we could play something on the show and listen to that.
I want to check that out.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so good.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
tony hinchcliffe
And they stop and they show you, like, little things, like, right from the beginning, you know?
They say the guy's name wrong, like, do you know John Hoover, or whatever it was?
And the guy's name was John Hover, and she goes, John Hoover?
John Hoover?
John...
And she takes way too long.
And then she goes, you mean maybe John Hover?
And then they stop it.
And he's like, you know, she thought of John Hover immediately.
She's pretending like she's searching through her brain.
Like they show you what they're showing you.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
She's pretending like this is no big deal.
tony hinchcliffe
And they have to put it out there.
joe rogan
She's not nervous that she murdered this fucking guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Everything that the person does is showing you what they're hiding.
joe rogan
Dude, this guy went to clean out his mom's apartment, she died, and he found a freezer, one of those chest freezers, with a dead decomposing body in it.
So the body had been there, the freezer was, I think it was in the basement.
See if you can find this.
I believe this was in New Jersey?
I think it was in New Jersey.
No, it was in Manhattan.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was in Manhattan.
It was one of those giant ass meat freezers.
And someone threw the body in there and duct taped it all shut so the stink couldn't get out.
And she wouldn't let anybody visit her building.
Man goes to clear out dead mom's house, finds body and freezer.
Police say a man found a decomposed body in his dead mother's freezer as she was cleared out of her New York City apartment.
Wow.
He found the body this week in a chest freezer that had been sealed with duct tape.
Investigators said the body appeared to have been stored for over 10 years.
Building Superintendent Asamir Basim told the newspaper on Friday's article the body was so decayed that authorities couldn't determine its sex.
Bastien said they wouldn't let, she wouldn't let them, there it is, the deceased tenant never gave permission for work to be done in the Hamilton Heights apartment.
That was what I thought was funny.
She's like, no, I'm good.
They're like, your plumbing's bad.
No, plumbing's perfect.
Is there a smell coming out of your place?
Not anymore.
No, not anymore.
No smell.
Thanks.
Click.
Bolt.
Shut.
Clip.
Two locks.
I just wouldn't let anybody in.
She had a fucking chest freezer with a dead body.
tony hinchcliffe
What's worse, cleaning your dead mom's place and finding a dead body or having her dildo hit you in the face off a shelf?
joe rogan
The body.
I don't care if my mom uses a dildo.
unidentified
That's her choice.
She's a free woman.
tony hinchcliffe
If her dildo fell off the top shelf and hit you in the head.
joe rogan
Get over it, pussy.
tony hinchcliffe
Doink.
joe rogan
Yeah, better than a body.
Your mother's a murderer.
Killed somebody ten fucking years ago and threw them in an ice chest and duct taped it shut.
What the fuck?
tony hinchcliffe
Didn't realize you supported your mother's use of dildos quite as much.
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
I support your mother's use of dildos too.
I love your mother.
I hope she's happy.
tony hinchcliffe
She is.
joe rogan
Your mother kills.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, she's the best.
joe rogan
If you write for your mother, your mother would be a world-class traveling stand-up.
When she did that Kill Tony and she went up and did stand-up with notes and had never done it before, murdered.
She murdered.
Murdered.
Your mother legitimately had great timing, great delivery.
She leaned into the punchline.
She was killing, man.
She was killing.
It was funny.
tony hinchcliffe
That was fun.
She listened to my few notes, you know, and she just did it.
She had fun.
I told her to smile, enjoy it, don't forget to smile, and leave spaces in between the jokes.
Those were the two things.
joe rogan
It was so cool to see, too.
It's like when someone does something like that they've never done before, and their son is a professional stand-up, and it was on your son's podcast, in a live audience, which is like every...
The biggest fear people have is fucking up in front of a large crowd.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whitney Cummings told me that that comes from when, in the past, when people were in front of large crowds, usually it's because you're being judged.
Like you did something wrong and the group is turning on you.
And I was like, oh, that makes sense.
That's where that fear comes from.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that makes total sense.
joe rogan
Total makes sense.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like that when we were evolving, you know, as we're going through the civilizations of the past, if it was a group of people that was staring at you and you're around all these people and you're down and they're all up, like, ah, that's fucking terrifying.
For sure.
tony hinchcliffe
Or perhaps even about to be executed, right?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
When there's one person and everyone's focusing on them, most of the time that's scary because most of the time it's bad.
Occasionally someone's performing, you know, but most of the time it's really bad.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a group of people trying to kill you.
The only time it's really good is when everything's going great.
There's plenty of food and booze.
Then the person like, we're going to listen to you because you're exceptional because you have a wonderful voice or you're really good with the musical instrument.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that is weird.
joe rogan
It's fucking real weird.
The fear that people get in going out there and performing and having people boo at them and hate them.
They're so scared of it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's interesting.
joe rogan
That's where booze comes in right?
If people, like, how many people have given speeches at their companies, like, you know, they get together and have a company Christmas party, and someone, unfortunately, leaves a microphone, and a bunch of people are boozing.
And someone goes up there and just ruins their fucking life.
How many times does that happen?
How many times does that happen?
Someone thought they could say something that Chris Rock would say.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
And they try out a bit.
unidentified
They try out a bit at their company party from then on.
joe rogan
You get brought into Human Resources on Monday.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tony, I want you to tell me about Saturday night.
Tell me from your perspective, why'd you say what you said?
Why'd you do what you did?
tony hinchcliffe
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Not only that, they're supplying you with booze, which is hilarious.
Like, if they had just coke and joints rolled up, laying around, people would never blame you.
They wouldn't blame you.
If you gave them coke and got them high as fuck, bong hits, and they were saying wacky shit, curled up in the corner, you wouldn't blame them.
But you got an open bar at your fucking Christmas party, and Mikey gets a little sauced up and says something stupid, and you're mad at him.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so funny to think about how real companies have Christmas parties with alcohol and all that.
Have you ever been to a comedy store Christmas party?
joe rogan
I don't like Christmas parties.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, that's why I'm asking.
I know everybody else is there, but I don't think I've ever seen you at one.
And it's probably a good thing.
Because it's complete chaos.
It's beyond...
Because obviously the comedy store has less than no HR. So it's...
Way, way, way, way over the top.
Like, it's absolutely ridiculous.
continuous continuous alcohol consumption like shots and shots and shots and shots and shots and shots and shots when is it coming back When do you think we'll move into that lovely phase three?
I think maybe my guess right now would be 8 to 12 weeks something starts.
joe rogan
8 to 12 weeks.
tony hinchcliffe
Perhaps the main room is spaced out with the OR. I wonder if they can hang in there that long.
joe rogan
That's a long time to hang in there.
tony hinchcliffe
I think so.
joe rogan
You think so?
tony hinchcliffe
I do.
I think that they've done really well as of late.
Like really well.
There's something about alcohol sales, which takes a business to a whole nother level.
And they've been slinging some drinks.
joe rogan
They certainly have, but look, it's hard for everybody.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's paid for, right?
They own the building.
That's true.
If they were paying rent, it would be rough.
joe rogan
But my God, are those shows back?
When we come back, my God, are those going to be fun?
Those are going to be fun.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Because you never thought it could be taken away from you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Taken away from everybody.
tony hinchcliffe
Honestly, I was mad at you the first day, because I had a show with you that night.
We performed the night before, and the next morning I wake up and I see your tweet saying, unfortunately I'm going to cancel my shows tonight at the Comedy Store, right?
And I'm literally like, come on Joe, you're falling for this fake disease.
I was more like, this is bullshit.
joe rogan
Well, it was actually an order.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh no, I know.
In retrospect, obviously, I was wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, they wanted 200 people or less.
They had gotten to this 200 people or less place, which I thought was really weird.
Like, it's okay if 200 people get sick?
Like, what is that?
400 is bad, 200 is good.
Like, it's the same environment.
It's just a larger number.
So they had an arbitrary 200 number.
And then I canceled the other shows too.
I was like, I'm just going to cancel.
I'm like, I think we should cancel.
Because there was some improv shows that we still had booked.
I'm like, we better cancel.
It just seems like a storm was coming.
tony hinchcliffe
It was.
It was changing, like, by the hour.
I was in constant negotiations with the comedy store.
When that started on that Thursday or Friday, I was still fighting for my Monday.
Like, I'm like, that's great.
They're allowing 200, then we can do 200. Two hours later, they're like, it's gotta be 100. And I'm like, okay, 100. And then they're like, well, the comedy store is closing indefinitely.
And I'm like, great.
Well, how about you just let us shoot in the main room with no audience and some staff?
And they're like, well, no, uh, At first they're like, yes.
And then they're like, no.
And then I had to renegotiate because they're like, no, we're closing the main room to quarantine it.
And I'm like, great.
We'll stream out of the original room with no staff and no comedians.
And they're like, that's good for literally for like four hours.
And then I got a call and look, we were closing the entire building.
We can't...
And they're like, if you want to do the basement, you can stream out of the basement.
I'm like, we definitely can't do the basement.
It's too small.
joe rogan
We should have stuffed it in the basement.
For the fuck of it.
tony hinchcliffe
What a great story.
joe rogan
How did we get into the basement?
Let me tell you how we got into the basement.
tony hinchcliffe
We're basically in the basement now over at Betterbox Studios.
But we ended up doing one in the empty ice house.
How cool is that?
That ended up being really cool.
We did like a Q&A session in the empty ice house.
Very interesting.
It was pouring down rain Monday night.
That's the part that made it like extra creepy.
joe rogan
I hope the ice house is okay too.
Improv, all these clubs.
We've got to do something to really get them juiced up once everything gets rolling again.
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
We're going to have a lot of creative juices.
joe rogan
I wonder what the stipulation is going to be as far as what has to take place.
Would it be an effective treatment?
What would it have to be where they would let us do comedy again?
I wonder what it would be.
Because they have some effective treatments that they're investigating.
I wonder if that would be enough.
If they knew there was a good supply of it, they'd get it to the hospitals.
I don't know.
They don't even know if you can catch it twice.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
They're thinking you might be able to catch it again.
It might wear off and then you can catch it again.
Which is like, what?
tony hinchcliffe
I sort of am not buying into that.
I think that's another one that the news wants us to think that you can catch it again.
You might be able to catch it again, but it's like a lot of the most recent things that I've read from health organizations are saying, good news, finally some good news, and you have to look deep to find good news now.
You have to dig.
Like with a shovel to find good news and literally like most of and of course a doctor doctor serious doctor I'll tell you well we really don't know don't know because that's what professional scientists say right until they officially know but right now most professionals are saying you can't get it twice I think in China they've found a small percentage of people that got it twice.
I don't trust anything coming out of China right now.
joe rogan
I can't believe you.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't trust their numbers, their scientists, their news, or their hornets.
joe rogan
Surely you're pro-fortune cookie.
tony hinchcliffe
Absolutely, 100%.
Those lucky numbers, I take it to the bank.
joe rogan
Imagine if China brought over the murder hornets on purpose just to fuck up our bee supply, just to fuck up our economy even further.
Could you imagine if we found out these motherfuckers brought over those murder hornets?
Imagine if that's the next thing.
Like, they're doing some old-school Genghis Khan shit.
They brought the plague.
They're bringing over murder hornets.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine.
We found out that's the kind of war that China is involved with in the United States, trying to weaken us from within.
tony hinchcliffe
Wouldn't it be wild if they're like, you know, pay us the money, you owe us, and we just kept ignoring them, and they're like, alright.
joe rogan
The relationship we have with China right now is more hostile than anything I can ever remember.
More hostile than we've ever felt with Russia, it seems.
More hostile than...
It's like, as hostile as...
tony hinchcliffe
Iran when we killed that Soleimani dude It's almost like as hostile with that all the time and it's a special kind right because we can't even acknowledge How mad we are at them yet until we have our own thing sort of figured out.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't know shit yet We don't know where it came from.
tony hinchcliffe
It's almost like when When you're mad at someone, but you don't want to make a big deal of it at the dinner table or something.
You want to talk to them one-on-one afterwards.
It's like we can't even acknowledge how mad we are at China for this until we have a vaccine.
And then we're going to be like, hey, by the way, what the fuck, dude?
You gave everybody the coronavirus.
You could have had it taken care of.
You did that.
joe rogan
They said if they had acted sooner, we could have stopped 95% Of its spread.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is nuts.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if it didn't start in the lab and everybody accused it of starting a lab and the people in the lab are like, you fucks, we didn't even do this.
This is just some normal shit.
Just some normal shit that it could have come from this lab, but it didn't.
It came from this fucking market.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But imagine the lab's just right there.
It's right near the market.
So close.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, what are the odds that a market that has had...
Humans and bats in it for a very long time, all of a sudden.
I'm getting lab vibes from this one.
joe rogan
Well, how about this?
Instead of lab vibes, maybe think about it this way.
Maybe, since they're doing these fucking experiments on bats, right?
They're doing coronavirus experiments on bats that are coming from the exact same caves as where this disease has originated.
What if someone is selling the bats?
After they do experiments with them.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if someone just says, as long as they cook it, it'll be fine.
Someone didn't cook it that good.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they caught corona from it.
Or maybe it's just hanging there.
You know, maybe they sold that bat and they just hung there with all the other bats.
And that stuff just got in the air.
And somebody got it next to them.
Working in a tight-spaced market.
All the people breathing.
And this funky-ass experimental bat is hanging from a meat hook.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
And they're probably like, as long as they make bat soup, they're gonna have to boil it.
It'll be fine.
This is $25 worth of bat.
tony hinchcliffe
And the one person that bought it liked bat sushi.
The rest is history.
joe rogan
I don't think they make bat sushi.
Bats are predators, right?
You have to cook those fuckers.
What is a bat worth?
How much does it cost to buy a bat to eat?
If you had to guess, like U.S. dollars, how much is a bat in a wet market?
tony hinchcliffe
In U.S. dollars?
joe rogan
In U.S. dollars.
If you're over there, you've got $100 in your pocket, Tony.
How much do you have left after you buy a bat for dinner?
tony hinchcliffe
Geez, I would say not much because so much food seems like it would be better than a bat.
It seems like a ratty animal, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you bought a bat in a restaurant...
How much do you think it costs?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, a restaurant's different.
joe rogan
Or a market, I'm sorry.
tony hinchcliffe
A market, I'm going to say three bucks.
joe rogan
Three dollars for a bat.
unidentified
So let's see if we can find this out.
tony hinchcliffe
What do you think?
You think it's more or less American?
joe rogan
Less.
unidentified
Less.
joe rogan
I think it's a dollar.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, probably.
joe rogan
I think it's like a dollar American for a bat.
They don't look like they're greedy.
That's the other thing.
People are like, oh my god, these fucking people, they're so greedy.
They're trying to make money selling rats.
Like, no, they're really, really poor.
Like, they're eating rats.
They're eating bats.
They're eating roaches.
They're eating every fucking thing they can eat that's gonna give them some protein.
They're not just eating, like, Canadian geese.
Oh, a stuffed goose.
Look, they got the recipe from Vanity Fair.
No.
They're eating bats, bro.
Flying rats.
tony hinchcliffe
Can you imagine?
Like, if bats were good at all, let's face it, we'd be eating them.
joe rogan
I read a terrible story about these two scientists that had decided they wanted to do some studies on these rats that lived in this very particular cave.
I believe it was in Africa.
And they set up these cameras to photograph these rats, these bats rather, that as the sundown would happen, that's when the bats would start flying out of the caves.
And they were going to be there to capture it.
Well, what they didn't understand, for whatever fucking reason, is that this is also where the bats defecate.
So the bats, as they were flying over, covered them with batshit.
Covered them.
And I believe they both died of some sort of a hemorrhagic virus.
Yeah.
We'll have Jamie find that out next.
tony hinchcliffe
That is batshit crazy.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
You son of a bitch!
Did you know that bat shit comes from the fact that bat shit used to be worth a lot of money?
Because the guano, bat guano, is actually really good fertilizer.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I bet bat shit crazy is probably like a disease that you get when you're hanging around all that bat guano.
tony hinchcliffe
Ah, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Because that stuff is valuable.
Like, people...
Apparently, really used to value it in terms of using it as fertilizer, using it when they're growing plants.
tony hinchcliffe
I just know it from Ace Ventura.
He tastes it.
Guano.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
That's an underrated movie.
Go back and watch that movie again, especially when you're high.
It's so ridiculous.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I've been watching so much shit.
It's been so fun, that part of it.
Just getting to absorb art.
joe rogan
I've watched every Adam Sandler movie ever except Little Nicky.
I didn't watch Little Nicky.
It's when he plays the devil's kid.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know about that one, but I've watched all of them.
tony hinchcliffe
You watched the one with the remote control?
joe rogan
Yes, I watched that one.
Click.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I watched all of them.
tony hinchcliffe
Huh.
joe rogan
Is that what it's called?
Is it called Click?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Happy Gilmore is a classic, man.
joe rogan
Dude, classic.
tony hinchcliffe
So funny.
joe rogan
Classic.
He's got a lot of classics, man.
tony hinchcliffe
A lot of them.
There's something about that one scene where he's talking with Chubbs and he just met Chubbs and this and that.
He's shooting cans into the trash can and he hits Chubbs' wooden hand out into the street.
And Chubbs says, it's alright.
Super durable.
Made of great wood.
unidentified
And crushes it.
tony hinchcliffe
Destroys me.
And then the next scene, it shows Chubbs missing fingers on his wooden hand.
Kills me.
You know, I'm not really that much into comedy movies now that I'm grown up, but one that destroys me at my spinal cord that I don't know when the last time you saw it, but it holds up great.
Kingpin.
joe rogan
Oh, Kingpin's amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Just the scene when Woody Harrelson's throwing up after he had sex with the lady.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And Bill Murray at the end, the entire flow of action with his hair and the comb over and how they capture it.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
It's a Farrelly Brothers movie, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And I did Punch-Up recently on a Farrelly Brothers project and I actually was talking with Peter Farrelly and I go, you know, Because it, like, came up.
Somehow Kingpin came up.
And I go, you know, I think Bill Murray should have been nominated for, you know, Best Comedic or Supporting or whatever.
You know, that category would have been.
And he actually goes, you know, it's funny.
I've always thought that in the back of my mind.
And it never happened.
But I completely agree with you there.
It's one of the greatest comedic performances anyone that I've ever worked with has done.
joe rogan
It really is.
Bill Murray's amazing too.
I watched Groundhog Day again.
I haven't seen that in forever.
It's fucking great.
It's a great movie.
It's really fun.
The Farrelly Brothers also made something about Mary.
That's another...
There's...
You know Steve Sharippa from The Sopranos?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever work for him when he was a booking guy?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
He used to book the Riviera.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
When I worked the Riviera, I used to get the gig through Steve Sharippa.
Steve Sharippa was a friend of mine before he did any acting.
Drew Carey got him on The Drew Carey Show, and then one time I worked for him, and he's telling me that Drew Carey had him on his TV show.
I go, oh, that's fucking awesome.
Next thing you know, the fucking Sopranos come out, and I'm working at TV... And Steve Sharip is on.
I can't remember if I found out, I think I found out beforehand, but I couldn't believe it.
When I was watching, I was like, I can't believe that's Steve Sharip.
And he's really fucking good.
tony hinchcliffe
Really good in that.
joe rogan
Really fucking good actor.
tony hinchcliffe
That is so weird that you knew that guy like that.
joe rogan
I do money at a regular job.
tony hinchcliffe
Him taking care of Uncle Junior on The Sopranos is masterful.
joe rogan
He's not that fat, by the way.
That's a fat suit.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They put a big old fat suit on him.
He's a huge guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
I was there with Steve Schrepp.
I was working.
Some guy lit a cigarette, smoked it, and then put it out on the floor of the carpet in the comedy store, in the comedy room in the Riviera.
unidentified
And I thought Steve Schrepp was going to kill this guy.
joe rogan
He's screaming at him, pointing at his face.
Pick it up, you fucking slob.
tony hinchcliffe
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
The first thing I got here is I was trying to find a menu for pricing from a wet market.
This is the closest I could get.
It's a tweet showing some sort of translation from it.
joe rogan
Okay.
Photo from the doban, what's that word mean?
Doban of a menu?
In Wuhan, Hunan Seafood Market.
Don't know when it was taken, but they sell all kinds of wild animals, including, oh my god, including live wolf pups and palm civets.
Holy shit, you could eat a wolf pup.
What the fuck, man?
Second photo taken after outbreak discovered shows this storefront, third left, covering the word for wild in its name.
jamie vernon
So I was trying to get some sort of translation of what's on there.
Koala meat, deer meat, they have live seca deer, that's 6,000, I don't know if it's yen or yuan, Y-U-A-N. It's about 850 bucks.
joe rogan
You can get a live Sitka deer.
jamie vernon
Crocodile tongue is about $45.
That's about $6, $6.50 or so.
joe rogan
Wow.
Camel meat, $25.
Oh my god.
Bull testicles, $12.
jamie vernon
I don't know the accuracy of all this translation, but that's what I just found in here.
joe rogan
This is what happens when you need to eat, man.
You gotta feed a fucking billion people.
jamie vernon
I will say, though, it also said that the wet markets are not actually that popular in big cities.
There's not even that many people that eat there.
So I don't know how prevalent it is there.
If it's something maybe in rural areas, I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Dude, that's even worse news.
Because that means the meat's gonna sit around for a while and cook.
It's all just going to funk in the sun and all the bacteria is going to jump from one fish to one frog to one cockroach.
tony hinchcliffe
Scary.
joe rogan
And on top of that, if you cough too much, the guys in hazmat suits will drag you away and no one will ever see you again.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
If you found out that China was taking people that were sick and dragging them away and they were never heard from again, would you believe that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
Journalists, you know that's true.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you complain too much about China, they drag you.
They drag you.
They put you in a cell somewhere.
They take you away.
Happens all the time.
Guys get prison sentences for talking shit about the people in charge.
It's a weird place, man.
Like, this is the people that we have an antagonistic relationship with.
Look at all these bats.
tony hinchcliffe
Rush is even weirder, though, because they don't even hide it.
They just keep saying people are falling out of windows in Russia, these doctors.
It's like, no.
I don't think a doctor fell out of a window, especially three in one week.
joe rogan
Yeah, three doctors fell out.
Whoops.
tony hinchcliffe
They're not even trying.
It's like they could make it look like it's a suicide.
joe rogan
What do you think the doctors did?
unidentified
I think they are cooking this lizard.
How weird is that?
joe rogan
Is that snake?
jamie vernon
It's python, yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, they're cooking it with a blowtorch and then they just give it to you in a bag?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Here.
Have some python.
You know what's weird?
Pythons are, they really want to get rid of them.
They're a huge problem, particularly in Florida where they're, oh my god, those are heads?
That's bat heads?
Look at the teeth and shit.
Yes.
Oh, Jesus.
What was I just talking about?
I got thrown off by that.
jamie vernon
Uh, pythons.
unidentified
Oh.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can't buy python skin products anymore, but yet they're trying to kill all the pythons in the Everglades.
Like, it's actually a resource.
Like, if you let people buy python skin in California, You would actually be contributing to getting rid of the pythons that are filling the whole Everglades as a giant problem in that these pythons, these wacky people in Florida got and then released.
They've become breeders and they were introduced into this environment that doesn't have any defense mechanisms for them.
There's nothing that knows what a python is.
They didn't evolve to get away from pythons or deal with pythons.
So because of that, everything's getting wiped out.
Everything.
They're down to no raccoons.
They have no bunnies anymore.
All the deer are missing.
They're starting to eat alligators.
They've caught a bunch of them.
Huge pythons with alligators inside.
They're eating alligators, bro!
They're the top of the food chain when it comes to Florida, and they're not even from there.
So they're eating everything.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
And they're huge.
They're huge predatory serpents.
And so people are catching them.
They're catching these 20-foot long ones just hanging out in the Everglades with a 20-foot long murderous python from another continent.
But you can't even buy, like, if you wanted to buy a python jacket.
You can't buy that, you piece of shit.
What, do you want to use python skin?
That's exotic.
You asshole.
tony hinchcliffe
But that's getting rid of the pythons if you buy it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And also, they're murderous little heartless reptiles.
It's okay to have sheepskin, but it's not okay to have python.
That's bananas.
That doesn't make any sense.
Like, it's okay to eat meat.
It's okay to wear leather.
Cows seem super peaceful.
Snakes will eat your baby.
Leave your baby in a field with a python.
You come back, you get a fat python and no baby.
They just eat things.
They'll eat your baby.
They don't give a fuck.
They don't say, well, I gotta deal with people.
Me and people have a pact.
I'm not gonna eat them at all.
tony hinchcliffe
They make Cobra condoms?
joe rogan
I think they're thick.
I don't think you want that on your dick.
tony hinchcliffe
It's true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't even understand their digestive system.
Like, what happens there?
I mean, it's all the same.
It's all just a tube.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's the heart?
jamie vernon
On their Florida website about removing pythons, there's three ways to do it, they tell you.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
Using a captive bolt gun.
joe rogan
A bolt gun?
jamie vernon
A firearm or decapitation.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
A firearm.
Bunch of fucking yeehaws out there in the swamps listening to Leonard Skinner music and shooting shotguns.
tony hinchcliffe
That actually sounds like fun.
joe rogan
That sounds like a new reality show.
tony hinchcliffe
God, does that sound like fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, Lizard King.
Snake King.
tony hinchcliffe
Go out there and shoot some snakes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they need a fucking snake master.
A snake show.
That's it.
tony hinchcliffe
For sure.
jamie vernon
The most humane way is immediate launch of consciousness and destruction of the brain.
joe rogan
How humane?
I'm trying to kill snakes.
Trying to kill them the best way I can.
jamie vernon
You can do it anytime you want on private lands, it says, with landowner permission.
joe rogan
What's interesting is I think if given enough time, they're gonna kill everything and then they're gonna run out of food and they're gonna die off.
Or they're gonna start invading their way into cities.
They kill kids all the time.
Like when people leave a python in a room with their baby, those horror stories, I've read a bunch of those.
The python drops down and kills a baby.
I've heard it even like a python comes from a neighboring apartment, drops down through the ceiling and kills a kid.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Bro!
Bro!
Imagine you're getting wrapped up by a python, and you see the face coming over your head, and you realize what's going on.
And it's clamping down on your head, and it detaches its jaw, and it's spreading around you like, oh my god, you can't move your arms, you think your shoulder's broken, you're getting squeezed as it's doing this, and it's got its mouth on your fucking head, and it's slowly starting to take you into its body.
tony hinchcliffe
I get scared of animals that aren't even threatening.
I get scared of squirrels and whatnot if they look at me the wrong way.
If they're right next to you in a tree, and some of those things pretend like, because I live right next to a really awesome park, and I run through there almost every day, and some of these squirrels, they're like people squirrels.
I guess they must get fed a lot or something from humans walking by, and they will pretend like they're going to, like they will just get right up in your face.
Aggressive squirrel.
I got scared at my chair in my hallway the other day.
I thought, this is so stupid, but I was coming out of the bathroom, it was the end of the night, and my chair, I have this one extra chair that sort of moves around the living room.
Anyway, it ended up across the end of the hallway, and it was just sort of hanging out.
And for some reason it sort of looked like there was a crazy person smiling.
joe rogan
You thought your chair was a person?
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
Super scared.
Like the type of scared.
Because I thought it was a person leaning back smiling.
And immediately my brain registered that as if there's someone leaning back smiling in your living room, you're completely fucked.
joe rogan
You've got real issues.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
So my heart literally felt like...
I'm like, fuck, here goes the next seven minutes.
joe rogan
Had you just watched The Joker?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
You thought some crazy person was in your house?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
No, I had not just watched The Joker, but I did watch that.
joe rogan
But you're scared of squirrels as well, you were saying?
unidentified
No.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I mean, they can be freaky.
They can act a fool, you know?
joe rogan
You know what it is, I think?
I think a lot of people feed squirrels.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a park in North Hollywood.
I remember going there once and watching this old dude on his back.
And he would just lay on his back and pick up peanuts and hold them.
And the squirrels would come over and put their hands on his hand and then take the peanut and run away with it.
They did it all the time.
And they wouldn't even go that far.
They'd go a few feet from him and just start eating their peanut.
And then other squirrels would come by.
And they apparently had some sort of a, they've been doing it so often, people know they could just, as long as you're not making much movement, you look safe and hold it out there, they'll come get it from you.
But, did you see the video of the fucking monkey riding a motorcycle?
Yes.
That pulls up and tries to steal a baby?
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
If you haven't seen this, this is the most 2020 video you will ever see.
It is 2020, encapsulated.
Like, this is how fucking mad the world's gone.
Here's a monkey on a motorcycle.
That goes zipping up the street, bails off the motorcycle, and tries to steal a baby.
tony hinchcliffe
My favorite part of it is I watched it like 20 times in a row, and I love how the guy taking the video from his top story apartment is laughing.
It starts, and you don't see the monkey, and then he sees the monkey on the motorcycle, and he starts laughing, and he's laughing more as it gets closer, and And he even laughs one more beat when the monkey grabs the kid, because he's like, haha, you know, like, he's like, huh.
joe rogan
Here it comes, watch.
Here's the monkey on the motorcycle, bails, grabs the kid, throws the kid to the ground, it's a little baby, and starts dragging him away, tries to steal him, because he wants to eat the baby.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's like a horror movie at that part.
joe rogan
Dude.
And that guy runs out chasing after the monkey.
Monkeys will kill you and eat you.
That's a fact.
If you're a baby in particular, monkey kills 12-day-old baby after snatching it from his breastfeeding mother and family home.
Bro, where is that at?
Where'd that take place?
jamie vernon
I was trying...
It just popped up while I was looking for that.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
What does it say there?
In India.
jamie vernon
Agri, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
The latest warning sign that primates are being forced into cities to search for food amid environmental destruction.
This is November of 2018. Oh, I know.
jamie vernon
I just...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I'm saying, imagine what they're like now.
I was going to say, because did you see that thing about what's going on in Thailand?
Where there was nobody in the street, so there was just like hordes of monkeys running through the street that are starving, that are used to tourists feeding them.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
So there's just hordes of monkeys running through.
Like, where the fuck is everybody?
Where's all the food?
Bro, it's crazy.
Watch this.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
It's so weird.
And then on top of that, rats in New York City.
Rats in New York City, there's no restaurants open anymore, right?
So the restaurants are not dropping off the normal amount of garbage, and these rats are accustomed to it.
Their whole ecosystem is dependent upon it.
Look at this.
Starving monkey gangs battle in Thailand as coronavirus keeps tourists away.
Look at that.
Look at that fucking picture.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh fuck.
joe rogan
The streets are filled with monkeys.
Dude, if you're a little kid and you go wandering into that, I guarantee you they will kill you and eat you.
Guarantee you.
If you're a four-year-old kid and you go stumble into that, you're dead.
They'll tear you apart.
You know, they don't have rules.
Such a strange animal.
Like, they're smart and they're sneaky.
Like, look at this video.
tony hinchcliffe
No social distancing whatsoever.
joe rogan
This is rats.
Those are like rats.
They're so dangerous.
They don't give a fuck about you and they look mean.
Some of them have mean faces.
Because they've been used to other monkeys being mean to them and everything trying to eat them and kill them.
Look at that fucking...
They're tearing this one apart.
Oh my god!
See, this is the thing about rats now.
Rats are cannibalizing each other.
For sure they're going to kill babies and eat babies.
These little crazy monkeys.
Oh, people are feeding them?
Good.
Better keep feeding them.
Better feed them poison.
There's too many of them.
See how many monkeys that was?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So rats in New York apparently are cannibalizing each other.
They're invading other rat territories, taking over and just fighting.
There's no fucking food for them.
tony hinchcliffe
That's great.
So we'll know when the next disease happens how it was made from rats eating each other in New York City.
joe rogan
Oh my god, imagine if that's what it is.
Imagine if that becomes the big Will Smith movie plotline.
Like this is how I Am Legend 2 begins.
The rats eat the other rats and they get some sort of mad rat disease.
Because that's where mad cow disease came from.
It came from cows eating cows.
Cows being fed cows.
Rats eat a bunch of rat brains.
They evolve.
Fuck!
tony hinchcliffe
Man.
joe rogan
In all honesty, I think we got a little too high before the show.
tony hinchcliffe
Probably.
joe rogan
Haven't done it in a while.
Because we went down all the rabbit holes that you go down when you're high.
Do you know anybody other than Michael Yeo who caught coronavirus?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
No, and it makes me mad.
Because, like, it just doesn't feel that real to me.
It seems like as many people as I know I should know more.
And I'm asking people that I know if they know anybody and they don't know anybody.
joe rogan
I know a few people.
tony hinchcliffe
You do?
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
I know three, four, five, six, seven.
Seven.
Yeah, Sturgill got it.
That's seven.
I know a bunch of people that got it.
Eight.
I know eight.
I know eight people that got it.
tony hinchcliffe
Do they know how they got it?
Just from hanging out or traveling?
joe rogan
Michael Yeo got it from New York.
He went and flew down after he did my podcast and did Gotham.
And I believe he was sick.
He's going to tell us next week.
I believe he was sick and then he caught Corona.
I'm pretty sure.
And worn out because he was flying.
Probably not much sleep.
tony hinchcliffe
That's the weird thing to me is because I traveled so much.
December, January, and February.
Pretty much continuously.
Almost every single weekend.
And then obviously back to LA. Nothing's that short of a flight except for Vancouver at the end of January.
And like...
You know, there's a lot of...
I have Chinese friends.
There was obviously Chinese people on the plane.
I helped one lady that seemed sick.
It was like my good deed that I was doing.
I was like being a nice guy.
She was sitting right next to me and she was sniffling and coughing.
And I got on the Wi-Fi on...
On my phone and she basically signaled to me like she pointed at the Wi-Fi signal at the top of my phone and was like pointing at her phone and I'm like all right I'll figure it out but it wasn't an iPhone so I had a lot of trouble and I was touching it more than I wanted to and then I couldn't get on her Wi-Fi and then she pulled out an iPad that wasn't an actual iPad it was another like whatever Motorola brand or whatever you know and I'm there I am touching that I'm like fuck this is not and she was like Yeah.
And it was stupid of me.
And again, this is like before Corona was mainstream news in January or whatever.
But like, I'm like, God damn it.
I just wanted to help this lady real quick.
Now it's taken forever.
And it wasn't even able to get her on the Wi-Fi.
But I thought to myself when this all came out, I'm like, I probably had it then and just blew through it because I don't really ever get the flu or get sick.
My body just like gets rid of everything in like a few hours normally.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
From all the pasta.
Study shows that the more pasta you eat, the better your body fights diseases.
joe rogan
People are so mad at you.
tony hinchcliffe
But then I found out from the test today that I've never had it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I thought I had it.
joe rogan
Well, everybody thinks they had it.
Everybody has this thing.
Oh yeah, I remember that time.
Here's the thing.
All those other colds are still around, folks.
This is one thing that people have to really pay attention to.
I almost hope they don't pay attention to it.
I hope there's some sort of a cure and everybody relaxes their grip on fear.
Because if they really start paying attention to all the things that are killing all the people all the time, it's a mess out there.
It's a mess.
And the big one's cigarettes.
That's the big one.
I was reading something today.
Cigarettes might actually kill coronavirus.
I'm like, propaganda!
Reefer madness!
I smell a rat!
I smell a rat!
Cigarettes might actually cure coronavirus.
tony hinchcliffe
Nicotine.
joe rogan
But there was a whole thing they were saying that people that smoke cigarettes and people that vape might be more vulnerable.
Remember that?
tony hinchcliffe
I ignore those ones because I vape.
I only read the pro-vaping ones.
But no, there are a few studies, and I read one very early on in this, that say nicotine is of assistance.
They're not pro-smoking or pro-vaping, but they are saying...
joe rogan
Nicotine itself, like chew, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Patches, chew...
joe rogan
That stuff gets you high as fuck.
tony hinchcliffe
Hell yeah, it does.
That was my first buzz ever in my life, and I'll never forget it.
I fell on my butt at a 90 degree angle.
My legs stayed locked up and my back was straight.
joe rogan
I lacked the knowledge of how to keep your dip in one place.
I'm not good at packing it and keeping it in one place.
It moves around in my mouth and I wind up swallowing a lot of it.
jamie vernon
I swallowed the whole thing.
I was like, where's he spitting?
And then you just realized at the same time...
joe rogan
I go, oh, I swallowed it.
tony hinchcliffe
You swallowed the actual tobacco?
joe rogan
Yeah, I took a big fucking plug of dip.
tony hinchcliffe
Did it feel like you were going to throw up after that?
joe rogan
No, fortunately.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was nothing.
It was no big deal.
I mean, maybe I had a little like, ugh, that feels weird.
But it's just plant matter.
My body just digested it.
tony hinchcliffe
Plant matter is one way of putting it.
I think a lot of people would probably throw up.
joe rogan
I was wondering if I was going to get extra high.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's the thing about, I remember the first time I ever smoked cigar, I was like, oh, you get high from this.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You guys are just on a different high.
You're on a high where you could definitely drive.
You definitely talk normal.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's pleasurable.
The tobacco pipe smoking or cigar smoking high, it's very pleasurable.
tony hinchcliffe
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
It is.
tony hinchcliffe
Cigarettes are my favorite thing I've ever done in my life.
It's been two years since I had one, but I can say without any hesitation, it is my favorite thing.
If I ever find out I have a month or two to live, I'm fucking...
I'm gonna smoke it.
I'm gonna smoke continuously.
I won't even breathe normal air.
joe rogan
I remember when Patrick Swayze was dying of pancreatic cancer.
tony hinchcliffe
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
And he kept smoking.
And people were like, what?
It's almost like they're mad at him.
Like, why would you do that when you're dying of cancer?
Well, why wouldn't you do it when you're dying of cancer?
That's the time when you should smoke.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn right.
joe rogan
You should have smoked up until the time you got cancer.
But now that you've got cancer, smoke them if you've got them, Pat.
tony hinchcliffe
Fuck yeah.
Coffee and a cigarette?
jamie vernon
How many cigars Michael Jordan smoking during that last dance throughout the height of the 90s in his career?
joe rogan
Smoked a lot of cigars.
jamie vernon
All of the time.
joe rogan
Constantly.
tony hinchcliffe
I know you're not a big basketball guy, but have you been watching that at all?
joe rogan
No, I heard it's amazing though.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's one where I literally thought of you during this last one and I'm like, I know Joe isn't watching this because of basketball, but you would fucking love it.
Because, especially this last one, their coach, Phil Jackson, and his brain and the way he can motivate people.
I mean, it is fucking shocking.
Never out of everything I've ever watched have I paused something and just thought about it for a few minutes and then hit play again and rewind again on a documentary.
It's insane.
joe rogan
Well, he's a super winner.
Those are always really interesting.
Anyone who's that driven to be such a winner, you stand out amongst winners as being so exceptional.
Who's the GOAT? Michael Jordan is always the first pick.
Wonder, like, how would LeBron, how would this, that?
But everybody always says Michael Jordan.
Like, to be that much of a super winner, you think about all the people that are playing basketball, all the people that are around him that are world-class athletes, professional athletes, and he stands out amongst them.
tony hinchcliffe
He's so wildly competitive that he will beat you in your own game.
He will ask you what you're playing.
If you were playing with something, you'd go, what is that?
And he will immediately start.
And his only goal is to beat you at what you love and what you think you're good at.
Whatever it is.
So it just happens to be that basketball is the one that...
He chose, but also then he got that way with shoes.
He's like, alright, well, if I'm going to sign a fucking shoe deal, then I'm going to do this the right way.
joe rogan
Doesn't he do that with golf, too?
Isn't he really into gambling with golf?
tony hinchcliffe
Everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
They throw coins against a wall and he's gambling with the security guards and he can't wait to take their money.
He cannot wait.
He's talking shit to these guys that are protecting him.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
That's so crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
In a game where you try to get the closest to the wall with a quarter.
joe rogan
He used to have a celebrity pool tournament in Chicago.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a pool tournament that he did all the time, like a charity pool tournament.
And I heard if you beat him at pool, he hates you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Everything that I'm gathering from this documentary is that.
joe rogan
If you're a super...
I mean, not just a regular winner, but just a super winner.
He's so off the charts as far as like...
To be that kind of an achiever, you have to have a madness about you that's probably intolerable for most people.
Just the desire to win...
Conquer.
In other days, man, those were gladiators.
In other days, those were generals.
There's a lot of people that get into pro sports that it's really, in a lot of ways, it moves them away from war in the best way that we know how possible.
But if we didn't have those, if there was no sports and people just conquered each other, Those would be the kings of the world.
The football players, that Thor guy who just deadlifted the world record, the Game of Thrones guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you see that shit?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Deadlifted 1,100 and something pounds, barefoot, looking barely like the same thing as you and I. Right.
Like, what is that?
That's a person?
That's a person too?
Okay.
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
So Bobby Lee's a person...
And that Thor guy's a person too.
They're the same thing?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
The same thing.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How the fuck?
tony hinchcliffe
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Did you watch the video of him lifting it?
Oh, the video of Tyson too?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Tyson apparently has decided that he wants to box in some charity boxing matches, so he put up some video of him hitting the pads.
Oh my god, please tell me if Vander Holyfield didn't say that he wants to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Look at this.
It says, are you ready?
The moment you've all been waiting for.
The champ is back.
I'd like to announce I'll be making a comeback to the ring.
I'm training to promote a charity that's very close to me.
Our Unite for Our Fight campaign aims to fill the void the pandemic has created on access to resources our youth needs for emotional development and education.
Can you imagine if Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield have a third fight when they're in their 50s?
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
jamie vernon
Even if it's for charity?
joe rogan
Even if it's for charity.
It might be.
jamie vernon
That's what it's sounding like.
joe rogan
Holy shit, you're right.
That is exactly what it's sounding like.
Look at the size of his traps.
How ridiculous are those?
They go right to his shoulders.
Hold on.
Go to that picture again.
His traps are ridiculous.
Just look at that.
Look at his traps.
They just go straight to his shoulder.
Evander Holyfield was the first guy in modern boxing who employed like a really rigorous weightlifting regime that allowed him to successfully go up.
Well, Michael Spinks did it too when he beat Larry Holmes, but then he got destroyed by Tyson.
I mean, he was really a light heavyweight that used his movement to outbox Larry Holmes when Larry Holmes was like sort of getting close to the twilight of his career, but That wasn't the case with Evander.
Evander became a heavyweight.
He was the cruiserweight champ, and he was like a slim guy when he fought Dwight Mohamed Kawi.
And then when he went to be a heavyweight, he thickened up, man.
He bulked up, purposely bulked up, had some amazing strength and conditioning videos that they showed of all the different shit that he was doing, preparing.
The way the guy worked out was insane.
jamie vernon
It came up in the Jordan documentary too.
He was like maybe 200 pounds for the first couple years of his career and then bulked up to 215, solid muscle.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard it was after playing the Pistons.
They were real physical.
jamie vernon
His trainer, he said, would go back after every game and count the number of steps he took with each foot and the direction he was taking so he would know how tired he should be and what he should be doing for him the next day and whatnot.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So he had left foot, right foot.
Left foot is back, right foot's forward.
jamie vernon
He would play, which they don't do today.
He played in all 82 games.
He was rarely ever hurt because he knew that people were coming, which was true, to see him play.
And if he didn't give them that performance, he felt like he was cheating everyone.
tony hinchcliffe
And every time he would play anyone for the first time, he needed to show, like, he could never, ever let anyone ever Make them feel like they got one over on him.
So not only each game for the audience that are seeing him for the first time in which he needs to dominate, but especially towards his opponent who literally thinks that maybe today will be my lucky day.
You know, I'm going up against Jordan.
This is, you know, it's the middle of the season.
He'll probably...
He's not gonna...
He puts up 60 points or whatever in your face, like embarrasses you.
You fall on the ground.
He crosses you over.
He does everything that, you know, you get embarrassed.
He would try to make a fool out of these people.
joe rogan
I remember the first time I saw a photo of him, it looked like he had leapt from center court, flying through the air to dunk.
And I'm like, how does a human even do that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
How does a 200 plus pound human fly through the air like that?
tony hinchcliffe
And even towards the end of his career, they just showed one where it's the all-star game.
So he got to go up against Kobe Bryant for the first time because they're in two different conferences that don't normally play.
And Kobe's this 18-year-old that just went straight from high school to the NBA, completely dominating his side of things, going up against Jordan for the first time ever.
And everybody on Kobe's side is saying, you know, Kobe asked us to let him have Jordan, and Jordan's on his side.
They have actual footage.
That's what's crazy about this documentary, is that somehow this fucking camera crew, Jordan let them come along in the ride in this green room for all this crazy exclusive content.
And he's saying to the guys, he goes, you guys all know, this is in the, not the green room, but the locker room before you guys, you guys all know this kid's coming after me, right?
Yeah.
Like, he's going to want me, so let me have him, blah, blah, blah, blah, because he wants to show the kid.
And sure enough, even though Kobe's 18 and peak, peak, peak physical condition, Jordan wins the MVP of that All-Star game, crushing it against a young Kobe Bryant.
joe rogan
Wow, how crazy was he?
He decided in the middle of all that, I'm just going to play baseball.
I'm just gonna be the best at baseball.
jamie vernon
They go deep into it, which is interesting, how the media and not a social media time period was fucking hammering him because they built him up to be this young guy out of North Carolina, Olympic superstar, Literally scored more points than anybody's ever scored as a rookie in the NBA. All this attention.
And now he's the man.
And they started beating him down with some of the gambling stuff he was doing.
It got leaked out and then just added attention.
And he's like, you know, fuck this.
I'm gonna quit.
I'm out.
See ya.
Quit.
joe rogan
Wow.
Because of all the negative attention.
jamie vernon
That's what they said.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Makes sense.
Well, that's what happens when you become that guy.
There's so much interest.
To be that guy, first of all, you have to have a fire burning inside you like most people will never be able to comprehend.
And a guy like that's going to be into other kinds of wild shit, too, like gambling.
He's going to want to have thrills.
He's going to drive fast cars.
He's a wild man.
A wild man at the peak of If you think about professional basketball, you watch an NBA game, and all the thought that's involved in which way you're going, and the ability to explode, and then the ability to, in the middle of all that, land a precision shot into a hole.
There's really not another sport like that.
I mean, baseball is you're trying to hit something that's coming at you like crazy.
You're swinging as fast as you can.
And there's a lot of skill to that as well, obviously.
And there's a lot of skill to pitching.
But there's something unique about basketball.
And that in all this chaos, you've got to find stillness.
In all this chaos, you've got to find the ability to stop.
And throw a perfect shot off.
So it's not just incredible physical ability.
It's incredible physical ability and then touch.
It's real weird.
It's a very interesting sport in that way.
It requires you to have your shit together.
To execute that shot, you have to have your shit together.
And you have to have mad practice.
One of the things that I used to love about growing up in Boston was Larry Bird stories.
Larry Bird was apparently just...
An insanely disciplined professional basketball player.
He would get there and practice before everybody, stay after everybody, practice things left and right.
And when they would have those three-point competitions, remember we would have those all-star three-point competitions, in the locker room he would just be like, which one of you guys is coming in second?
That's what he would do.
Just walk in.
They all knew.
But it was just because he...
First of all, he could execute under pressure.
And two, he was just better.
He could do things better than most people.
And even he said sometimes he thought it was God pretending to be Michael Jordan.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how good Michael Jordan was.
tony hinchcliffe
Every single legend is completely...
They have such good interviews with everybody.
They have such great stories.
It's crazy how, you know, I've always said a documentary has the potential to destroy...
Be better than any other type of story.
Whether it be a movie or a book.
Because if it's unbelievable...
It's like the Tiger King.
If it's fucking amazing and it's real, you can't beat it.
joe rogan
You can't beat it.
tony hinchcliffe
And that's what The Last Dance is doing.
It's crazy.
I don't know if you have a...
A VPN or not, but you can reset on Netflix.
It's around the world.
So you can watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
If you set your location, you can watch it without commercials.
joe rogan
Yeah, ExpressVPN is one of my sponsors.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
They show you that.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep, ours too.
joe rogan
So where are you getting it from?
tony hinchcliffe
I go to my ExpressVPN and I set my location for somewhere else.
joe rogan
What do you set it for?
tony hinchcliffe
Usually, I don't know, Germany or Switzerland or whatever.
joe rogan
You can just openly say that on the internet.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
You're a Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And then I go on Netflix, and no commercials.
Just binge it.
joe rogan
Why don't they have it on Netflix here?
jamie vernon
It's ESPN-Netflix co-presentation.
joe rogan
Oh!
tony hinchcliffe
It's literally such a great documentary that they had to work their own, like, first-ever super deal, ESPN and Netflix.
joe rogan
Does ESPN Plus have it on their app?
Okay, I have that.
jamie vernon
It's supposedly not even done yet.
I heard they're still editing the final episode or whatever.
Like, they had to rush it out...
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I don't...
joe rogan
It's interesting because like, do you want to be that guy?
First of all, you probably can't.
But second of all, even if you could, do you want to be that guy?
Do you want to be so driven and obsessed, maniacal in it?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
tony hinchcliffe
I think he's pretty happy.
joe rogan
Oh, he's pretty fucking amazing.
Don't get me wrong, but I'm saying like, first of all, you wouldn't be that guy.
Like, it's a special fire that burns in that guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most people just do not have.
You don't have it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
But would you trade it?
Would you trade, would you want to be the obsessed winner?
Is it too much pressure?
It's too weird to want to be that person who just wins, wins, wins, wins, just dunking on people.
The fucking, his logo is him flying through the air ready to dunk on people.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of times he was doing things specifically to shit on the general manager that was like, and control the team.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
They had like, bring in a new player and be like, oh watch what we're about to do to this fucking guy.
You think that, and he was just, they'd shit on him, all the bullying they said.
This is this little guy, Jerry Krause.
tony hinchcliffe
And they really fucking bully him.
And that's coming from me.
The way that he insults this GM is ruthless.
It is insane.
joe rogan
It's a ruthless man.
tony hinchcliffe
It's not even funny.
joe rogan
If you want to make money off that guy, that's what you want.
You want a guy who is not rational about it.
He's just insane.
But then again, okay?
Then you get a guy like Wayne Gretzky.
He's arguably one of the best hockey players of all time, yet almost universally treated as a really nice guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, well, he's Canadian.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is.
tony hinchcliffe
We don't count those kind in the nice department.
joe rogan
Do you see that Canada banned assault weapons?
They banned all assault weapons.
There's like a two-year grace period.
You got like two years, then you got to turn in your AR-15s.
That is not making the gun people here happy.
Very, very upset.
And people are pointing something out, too.
This is like a video of a Canadian sheriff discussing it.
And he said, out of all the shootings that I've ever been a part of where there's illegal activity like that and horrible crimes that are being committed, he goes, it's never with a licensed gun over.
These aren't licensed gun owners.
These are people that got these guns.
They're going to get these guns illegally anyway.
Just because they're not legal doesn't mean they're not...
They're going to do an illegal thing.
They don't need a legal gun to do an illegal thing.
And if you think that some...
All you're going to do is make it more difficult and more money for the gun runners.
It's going to, for sure, it's going to be something where it's more risky for them, but it's also going to be more profitable.
It's going to be hard to get a gun over there.
But people are still going to do it.
They bring coke in from South America.
They're going to bring guns into Canada.
It's going to happen, but only the criminals are going to have them now.
tony hinchcliffe
Getting an illegal assault weapon is the nicest thing anybody getting an assault weapon is doing.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
Perfectly put.
That's exactly what it is.
It's just, I wish there was a world where we didn't need guns.
I wish, for sure.
But that's not this world.
It doesn't mean you don't love people.
It just means, like, you gotta look at things practically.
You can't look at things the way you want them to be.
You gotta look at things the way they are.
The way they are is, there's more guns than there are people.
And to say you can't have a gun anymore, it's like, okay, well, who gets to have a gun?
And who's going to take the guns away?
And what are we going to do about the Constitution?
And why?
Can we vote on this?
Or should this be a part of the Bill of Rights, where this is how we are, and this is how this country is established, and this is the things we agree on?
We don't want to vote on whether or not we have free speech.
We need free speech.
Should we vote on whether or not we have the Second Amendment?
Some people say no.
Some people say what we're dealing with is a mental health problem.
We're not dealing with a gun problem.
The gun problem is that the mentally ill people get the guns.
It's not a gun problem.
And there's a lot of people that want to have guns to protect themselves from mentally ill people that are violent.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's also the news.
Again, a lot of this goes back to news for me.
And them glorifying these people.
This is what they say.
You know what I mean?
They know they're going to get the coverage.
They know that their name is going to get out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's not acceptable.
If we didn't do that, then they wouldn't do that.
Much more to me than the guns.
If we take away the guns, if we have the guns, if we cover it differently, things will be different.
Without a doubt.
joe rogan
It's true, but people want to know what the name of the guy who shot up the school is.
tony hinchcliffe
They don't get to know.
joe rogan
They broadcast it, people find it online.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't think they should.
Why would that be necessary?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I think it's just one of those things about human nature.
Like if there was a video of Tom Cruise falling off the back of a plane, you would watch it.
If he fell to his death, you'd watch that video.
Wouldn't you?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, yeah.
If it leaks, yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's kind of along the same lines.
Does that make sense?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, but I think that the government could help with that.
I think before restricting guns, I think they could step in and then maybe run it by some psychiatrists and scientists and whatnot and see what they think about the media part of a crime.
Because, again, these people want to be legends.
They want to be...
joe rogan
It certainly has an effect.
It certainly has an effect.
tony hinchcliffe
You know, I watched this Hitler documentary and it talked about how Eva Braun, this applies to what we're talking about, it mentioned Eva Braun didn't have to go to the bunker to die with Hitler.
And this person said that she did it because she knew that by doing that against Hitler's wishes, That she would inevitably die with Hitler and therefore because she was kept behind the scenes and on the back burner so much become a bigger part of history.
So she could have decided to live a normal life maybe get prosecuted later or whatever but sort of live or go to prison or whatever or go to the bunker and die with Hitler and be part of history forever and be represented as the woman that was with Hitler.
joe rogan
Have you ever paid attention to all of the information that's out there about how many Nazis fled Germany and went to South America?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Dude.
Tim Kennedy used to have a show called, was it Finding Hitler?
unidentified
I've seen it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep, I've watched all those.
joe rogan
Hunting Hitler?
They were operating under this premise.
The premise was Hitler never died in Germany.
He was snuck out of the country in a submarine or some shit and they brought him to South America.
Well, you know that there's no real evidence.
That's true.
But what there is evidence is a lot of fucking people that live in South America used to be Nazis including like Kennedy had he was on the show and he was talking about finding these people going into their homes and they have pictures of Of Nazi soldiers, like, lovingly framed on their wall.
Like, this is Grandpa, back in fucking Buchenwald, or wherever those places are.
Auschwitz.
What is the Buchenwald?
Is that how you say it?
Which one?
tony hinchcliffe
Buchenwald?
Buchenfeld?
No, Buchenwald.
joe rogan
Everybody always remembers Auschwitz.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I mean, imagine going into someone's house and you see a Nazi guard on the wall with an SS on his sleeve and you're like, holy shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a Nazi officer and this is your grandpa?
And then you realize like, oh my God, this community, I mean, they have Oktoberfest there where they're all German and they're all drinking beer and wearing Lederhosen and shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Mm-hmm.
It's wild how many times Germany almost won that.
Like a few different little tweaks of decisions.
And they win that war.
joe rogan
Well, they were being led by a madman.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he was doing things that they didn't expect.
One of the things that i had read about russia was when they had invaded russia they they knew that they were coming but they they estimated it was going to take a certain amount of time but they didn't think they were going to march 24 hours right they were not going to sleep they didn't take any rest they just took speed so they got there earlier than anybody expected yeah and also all going through france they went through uh They went through the forest instead of the plains.
tony hinchcliffe
They were waiting for them on both sides of the openings.
And they just fucking took their tanks and went right through.
Just found a way to trudge through the forest and trees.
Build their own path.
And they snuck up behind both of the other sides of their other armies.
It was wild.
joe rogan
Can you imagine the horror of experiencing that during World War II, where you were getting your newspapers, that's all you're getting for information, right?
Back then, World War II, I mean, how much stuff was on television?
Very few things on television, right?
jamie vernon
They had radio, though.
joe rogan
They had radio.
So you'd get your radio reports...
unidentified
From the front lines in Nazi Germany.
joe rogan
And you would get that kind of stuff.
And that's how your vision of the world would be.
And you imagine if you're over there and you see them coming through the forest with tanks.
You're like, holy shit, they're real.
unidentified
And here they come.
tony hinchcliffe
And the same thing then was that the news was bullshit.
You know what I mean?
They're feeding their people what they, A, want to hear, and B, will come back to hear more of, and C, make them feel good about what's happening.
One of the things that I saw was commercials.
A commercial...
Well, not really.
It's like a report, but it was also a commercial, basically, for their military.
For the German military.
It's two German soldiers in a bunker talking.
And they go, I can't wait to get back to my wife.
Yeah, I know.
I'm going to get back to my wife.
They're speaking German, but it's being translated.
In the end, the guy goes...
Yeah, you know what?
To be honest with you, I think the Russians are more scared of us than ever, and they're more scared of us than we are of them, that's for sure.
And that was released, like, the week or two before the end, when the Russians are literally in Berlin.
Like, they're coming full of thousands of tanks and all of this, you know, all of this war material.
They're about to hit the center of Germany.
And they're still, Germany's playing that on their radios and on their TVs or whatever.
That's what's out there.
It's literally, I think the Russians are more afraid of us than we are of them.
Meanwhile, Germany was done.
They were crippled.
At that point, they have their Hitler Youth as their last stand in the city.
Children.
Children.
Firing weapons for the first time.
Bazookas.
Little kids.
Firing fucking bazookas into the street.
Against some Russian tank by a professional Russian tank soldier.
Blowing everything up.
joe rogan
What's really crazy is that wasn't that long ago.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Wasn't even a hundred years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's people that survived that that are alive right now.
There's one guy.
He survived World War II and he survived COVID. Yikes.
They don't make people like that anymore.
That's...
I mean, when people think about war today, they only think about things that are happening somewhere else that are very small scale.
Like the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan.
That's our perspective for most people's lives.
Most people don't remember Vietnam.
They definitely, probably most people don't really remember the experience of having someone fight in World War II that you loved.
Some people maybe remember Korea.
But our experience of war is almost, unless you're a soldier who's served overseas, our experience is almost like abstract, right?
Like we know it happens, but it's just one of those things that's over there.
Sort of like pandemics.
Like we know it happens, but it's just, it's rare.
We don't have to worry about it right now.
But now we do.
That's how I feel about war.
Like if it breaks out, if war breaks out with China and all of a sudden there's like legitimate attacks on cities, and we're like, holy shit.
Like we didn't think this was real.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
We didn't think that this was a real possibility.
But all this time, maybe that's why when people like Obama get in office and they have a different perspective on the campaign trail than they do once they actually get in office.
Maybe they're presented with how many moving pieces are on the table and how all this can go wrong at any time and how...
This nation is trying to do this to this nation.
This nation has nukes.
And they're trying to get to us.
And this is how they're doing it.
And then we found that they're listening to our bathrooms.
And they've got devices here.
We found a new spy.
And like, fuck, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
tony hinchcliffe
War is a crazy thing.
I remember how bad everybody...
A lot of people were excited to go to war after 9-11, you know, and they built that storyline around it and everything.
joe rogan
Well, we were also excited in some ways because we just got through Operation Desert Storm, and that was a big hit.
You know, if that was...
If we were a band, that was our stairway to heaven, right?
It's a fucking giant hit, you know?
I mean, we lost one Scud missile, hit one barracks and killed a bunch of people, but that's it.
Most of it was just a decimation, right?
A destruction by the American troops.
So I think in some ways we might have had it in our head, this is something we're going to do like we did in Desert Storm, just wipe them out real quick and that'll be over.
Fuck.
Here we are, the longest war ever in the history of the country.
And we don't get out.
We're still in it.
And there's arguments that we should stay in it.
And some of them are good arguments.
And you're like, fuck!
Like, is that what the world we're dealing with is?
Like, we were talking about before when it comes to people.
There's so many things that's not, there's not one real clear answer of what you do that's going to determine the best future for everybody.
And you could listen to these experts tell you that you can listen to an expert tells you we don't want to be the policeman of the world.
We need to get out of everywhere now and concentrate on our own domestic issues and just use policy and diplomacy to deal with the rest of the world.
There's other people that say they will blow us the fuck up.
We have to monitor them.
We have to keep an eye on them.
There's a real hatred of the United...
First of all, maybe some of it earned some of the shit we did in the past.
Maybe there's some shady shit that's going on that you don't know about.
But the bottom line is we're going to need to keep these bases.
We need to keep this military presence.
And we don't want to go to war, but trust us.
You're like, fuck!
tony hinchcliffe
Isn't it wild that Sweden's been able to avoid all this the whole time?
What started out as basically Vikings, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Iceland too, right?
They're not invading anybody anymore.
unidentified
No.
tony hinchcliffe
They're neutral.
They stayed in.
joe rogan
They were able to avoid World War II. They just figured out how to do strongmen contests and appease those fucking gorillas.
tony hinchcliffe
Get it out of your system.
Lift some weights.
joe rogan
So many of the strongmen come from Iceland.
You know that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was a Vice documentary on it.
They showed all these gigantic dudes.
I'm like, oh look, Vikings.
Giants.
Imagine that giant with a battle axe storming through your fucking neighborhood.
tony hinchcliffe
That's where the Nordic track came from.
joe rogan
Every now and then you miss.
You're really good at this.
Some puns are left unsaid.
tony hinchcliffe
NordicTracker, right?
Remember that thing?
Is that still a thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
You do cross-country.
Nobody ever used those.
Out of all of the exercise equipment that nobody ever used, that was number one.
tony hinchcliffe
Was that the Chuck Norris one?
I think it was.
joe rogan
No.
Chuck Norris one was the total body system.
Remember that one where his cables and he's going, he pulls them down, his body goes up and goes down and up.
What was that called?
Was it called total body system?
It was him and Christy Brinkley, right?
unidentified
Yes.
jamie vernon
Total Body Jim, I think, or something like that.
joe rogan
One of them things.
Total Body something.
Him and Christy Brinkley, hanging on, still sexy, at an elevated age.
So that was the hook.
Like, I want to be like that.
They still got it.
Christy still got it.
Chuck Norris still got it.
Wasn't it Christy Brinkley?
Am I imagining that?
jamie vernon
No, I think you're right.
I'm deep into the history of the Nordic track right now.
It used to be, it started off called the Nordic Jock, which is, uh, I was trying to see where that was going.
tony hinchcliffe
It's just insulting.
joe rogan
That's just gross.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Nordic Jock.
unidentified
Total Body G. Yeah, Total Gym.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
All these companies have made similar things with each other.
joe rogan
But the one with Chuck Norris and...
jamie vernon
I thought it would come up.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure it was Chuck Norris and Christy Brinkley.
Just two hotties hanging on.
tony hinchcliffe
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
She's hung on better than anybody, right?
If you have to give the crown to...
Yeah, there it is.
Chuck Norris, looking good.
Oh, Olivia Newton-John was in it too.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, there she is.
joe rogan
Oh, and Christy Brinkley.
They got everybody.
All these hotties that are hanging on to it.
That's what they got.
And back then, she probably was only like 40. Yeah, so she used it for 14 years.
Hell yeah, she did.
And it works.
Look at her.
But like, out of all the people that are hanging in there, no one's hanging in there as good as Chrissy Brinkley.
I think she's 65. Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about J-Lo?
50. There's a great meme that shows J-Lo...
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
66. 66 Chrissy Brinkley.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
When we were kids, 66 was a dead person.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're dying.
You're gonna die any moment now.
You're not supposed to be hot.
How are you pulling hot off?
How do they do that?
There's a picture of J-Lo.
jamie vernon
Look at that.
joe rogan
That's her on a boat at 65. Jesus fucking Luizus.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Like, she's in the sun, right?
She's not in some crazy studio somewhere.
tony hinchcliffe
That's me sitting next to her.
You can't tell in that picture, but...
joe rogan
Bro, her body's amazing.
I guess it's one of those things.
If you just refuse.
If you just Michael Jordan the fuck out of your looks.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
With just regular gym and eating right.
Just hang in there.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
joe rogan
Like Tom Cruise on the side of that airplane.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hang in there.
tony hinchcliffe
Look-see-do.
joe rogan
Do you think you're gonna hang in there like that?
tony hinchcliffe
Probably not.
I mean, I'm made of pasta and tobacco.
Probably not.
Think squirrels are gonna kill me.
I see smiling chairs.
joe rogan
65. Damn.
How's that even possible?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That's insanity.
She's got a perfect body.
She's not hiding.
There's nowhere to hide.
That's not her in a dress.
And if you saw her naked, she'd be disgusting.
No, she looks amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow, that is some beautiful aged beef.
joe rogan
And that's probably what inspired Adele.
Get her fucking shit together.
tony hinchcliffe
That's it.
joe rogan
There's 65 year old ladies out there looking hot.
Why can't I do it?
Well, you can.
You can.
tony hinchcliffe
Just stopped rolling in the deep dish.
joe rogan
And on that note, let's wrap this up.
Tony Henscliffe, always a pleasure, my brother.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you, sir.
Great to be here.
Great to be out and about.
joe rogan
Great to have you.
Kill Tony, still streaming.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Mondays, YouTube.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
You're just doing a modified version of it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's a mellow, modern version of it.
I'm also starting a roast.
I'm doing a roast school.
I made a fake master class video.
joe rogan
I saw that.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And I got hit up by the MyBookie people who wanted to make it a real thing.
So I'm doing a real roast master class on...
I think that's going to be on my Patreon coming soon.
joe rogan
That actually sounds like a great tool for people that are tired of being picked on.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I can teach...
I'm going to show people...
I mean, it's a goof.
I'm taking myself way too seriously in it.
I've already shot one.
And...
I'm showing them how I go through the process.
First, I'm reviewing other roasts that I've done and I'm hitting pause and I'm showing them how I came up with that and how to kill your babies and write new stuff right before and this and that and how to change things based on what people are wearing or their appearance.
joe rogan
We should explain kill your babies.
When you have bits you don't like, I cut them loose.
People are like, what?
Tony Hinchcliffe advocates killing babies?
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of terms and everything.
joe rogan
That's a great term.
That's a great term though, isn't it?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And also I'm showing people how to put on their own roast with like their family or co-workers and how to book it and how to get help writing and how to set it up.
joe rogan
Oh, that's amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so when will that be available?
tony hinchcliffe
That actually starts next week.
joe rogan
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Patreon.com slash Hinchcliff.
joe rogan
Okay.
So, and is all that linked on your Instagram or your Twitter?
tony hinchcliffe
It's about to be.
I have all this stuff.
I just haven't released it yet.
joe rogan
And everything's Tony Henschliff, right?
Instagram, Twitter, all that stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
All right.
Thank you, my brother.
Always good to see you.
Always fun.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
That was fun, brother.
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