Nov. 12, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Boom. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, now that I'm the producer of the Don L. Rawlings podcast. | ||
| We already established that. | ||
| We established that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We've taken off the RZA. Sir, thank you for being here. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'm going to give him a beat. | ||
| Man! | ||
| He's going to be, you're going to have music. | ||
| It's going to be hip-hop. | ||
| From hip-hop world. | ||
| Yo, first off, when you said that, I'm saying, I got a button down too. | ||
| Don't just assume it's all hip-hop. | ||
| That was insulting. | ||
| Not hip-hop. | ||
| I would love any genre. | ||
| If you have a vision or you see or even connected to this at all, whatever you feel, I fucking got to feel it. | ||
| And I make it work. | ||
| I think your idea of driving around talking shit is a great one. | ||
| I like when Bill Burry did a podcast doing that. | ||
| He basically did these little video things doing that. | ||
| But driving with Donnell is a great idea. | ||
| Or even just, don't limit it. | ||
| Do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| If one day you want to drive, drive. | ||
| If one day you want to sit in your living room, just talk shit in your living room, do that. | ||
| The day was a good day for me because I knew it was coming to do your show. | ||
| And I've been ducking the question and evading it for so long. | ||
| When I see you, I can't even be real with you like I want to. | ||
| And I was like, I said, fuck, man, I'm doing Rogan in two hours. | ||
| I gotta go do a podcast. | ||
| What are you writing? | ||
| I was just writing podcasts cause I don't know if he was doing a podcast or a podcast. | ||
| P.O.D. P.O.D. I know, so I'm just kinda, you know, I'm just taking notes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yo, yo, it's just gonna be like, it's just gonna be, I wanted Joe to stop bullying me. | ||
| I didn't want him to talk shit cause every time I see him, every time I see him, he be like this, we have a regular conversation, then he just start doing like this. | ||
| I'm like, this nigga about to hit me, right? | ||
| Yo, he said, he said, what's up with the podcast? | ||
| We gonna shoot that shit to the moon! | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| He said, he started doing this? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's that high school, like, 3 o'clock. | ||
| I'm just trying to get him enthusiastic. | ||
| I'm like, you're too good. | ||
| You're too good to not have a podcast. | ||
| And I said, and I'm gonna tell you, I could go in front of thousands and thousands of people. | ||
| I ain't tripping off that shit. | ||
| But it was just something about me talking to myself. | ||
| Talking to myself. | ||
| I never did that. | ||
| 44 minutes. | ||
| Do you ever talk to yourself? | ||
| I never did that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I gotta admit, you gotta talk to yourself. | ||
| But I never did it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| You gotta start, bro. | ||
| Let me say, I gotta say this. | ||
| Yo, yo, no, the real talk. | ||
| Today, I've been talking to Joe, no bullshit. | ||
| I've been talking to Joe about this shit for five months. | ||
| We talked about it, people, his fans were talking about it. | ||
| And I ain't gonna front. | ||
| I was a little nervous about it. | ||
| And I was like, ah, ah, ah. | ||
| And then when I did it, today when I finished it, I felt good as shit, son. | ||
| See what I mean? | ||
| I felt like this. | ||
| I was like, oh, it's about to be on, son. | ||
| It's on. | ||
| See? | ||
| We just had to get moving. | ||
| That's all you needed. | ||
| You just needed a launch. | ||
| Who started their podcasts off with Joe Rogan, producer, and Ariza, producer? | ||
| And Jamie Vernon doing the technical difficulties. | ||
| Jamie was mad at me at first, though. | ||
| Jamie wasn't trying to help me at all, Joe. | ||
| I was trying to call. | ||
| I'm trying to talk like a white person, Joe. | ||
| I'm talking like a white person. | ||
| Yo, I didn't want to throw the child in. | ||
| He wanted me to say, fuck it then, right? | ||
| I was trying to figure it out. | ||
| And I said, okay, Jamie. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| I agree with you 100%. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I said, what can I do to help me and you? | ||
| We're going to make it happen. | ||
| And we worked it out. | ||
| We worked it out. | ||
| He didn't want to turn my internet on. | ||
| He didn't want to put me online or nothing, son. | ||
| There's a couple of companies that offer a turnkey sort of situation. | ||
| What is the one who does Eric Weinstein's podcast and... | ||
| It does... | ||
| You gotta Google that. | ||
| They have a service. | ||
| They have a company. | ||
| And they get all the ads for you and they take a certain percent. | ||
| And then they set up a studio for you. | ||
| You don't have to think about shit. | ||
| You just go in and be yourself. | ||
| We know it's crazy. | ||
| Not that I'm jumping on Donnell's bandwagon right here. | ||
| You can, though. | ||
| What's wrong with that? | ||
| You know, I'm not used to that. | ||
| I'm not used to jumping on bandwagons. | ||
| But let me just say, yo. | ||
| Nah, maybe for the last few months, since we started the Hulu, the American Saga series, people have been pushing me to do a podcast, right? | ||
| They would love listening to you. | ||
| I ended up not doing one, but we have one for the show, of course, that kind of does, you know, like after the show goes on, you can go and listen and hear, you know, more inside details of the story. | ||
| But still, during that process, it was like, you need to do a podcast, Rez, because... | ||
| Just the way you think. | ||
| You just need more people with that kind of thinking. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So when he just said that he talked to us, you know, he don't talk to himself. | ||
| But then after he was finished talking to himself for 44 minutes, he felt a weight come off him. | ||
| I was, son. | ||
| But there's a scripture on that, bro. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| The scripture is in the Bhagavad Gita. | ||
| Is that the Quran? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| The Koran is the Koran. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I just need to know. | ||
| So the Bhagavad Gita means the song of God. | ||
| Just pick G-I-T-A. Gita. | ||
| The Gita, right? | ||
| It's actually the words of Krishna. | ||
| And he says, contemplation with yourself, which is talking with yourself, will take you further than praying. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Okay? | ||
| And if a man is not contemplating... | ||
| Right? | ||
| If you're not, whether you're doing it verbally, like right now we're talking out loud. | ||
| We all got that voice in our head. | ||
| You had that voice, you was like, yo, I put the condom on and not. | ||
| You had that voice and you know, if you listen to it or you don't listen to it, but the bottom line is that According to Krishna, it's that contemplation that makes us better. | ||
| It's that reflection of what we did, what we're going to do. | ||
| And you verbalize it even out loud. | ||
| I mean, the spoken word is even more powerful. | ||
| You get it out. | ||
| That's how I felt. | ||
| But I'm telling you, part of it was like, I was not letting Joe talk shit to me. | ||
| I was like, fuck that, man. | ||
| He's not doing that. | ||
| But I'm glad I did it, man. | ||
| The Bhagavad Gita did not reach him. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta do a podcast, son. | ||
| You should. | ||
| I think, look. | ||
| Son, son, son. | ||
| People get mad at me. | ||
| Son, they get mad money too, son. | ||
| You can make money. | ||
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What? | |
| The most important thing is that you have a voice. | ||
| You're an interesting guy. | ||
| If you did a podcast, it would be interesting. | ||
| There's a lot of people. | ||
| It's good to have a bunch of different people doing it from all different styles of art, different walks of life. | ||
| If a person has already been involved, Interesting. | ||
| People want to keep getting different pieces of you. | ||
| How can you give it to them? | ||
| Dude, they would love to hear you just talk about life. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| That's a fucking... | ||
| Easy. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| That's a no-brainer. | ||
| You're here quoting the Bhagavad Gita. | ||
| It's you and Duncan Trussell, the only people who quote the Bhagavad Gita. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I love that book. | ||
| Oh, that's an amazing book, man. | ||
| That's what Oppenheimer quoted when he watched the first atomic bomb blow off. | ||
| He said, I am become death, destroyer of worlds. | ||
| A quote right from the Bhagavad Gita. | ||
| That's crazy shit. | ||
| Yeah, that is a fascinating book, man. | ||
| There's all sorts of allusions to UFOs and shit. | ||
| I was about to say that. | ||
| You talk about the Maharata, which is a longer version. | ||
| So the Bhagavad Gita is about 700 verses that's taken out of the Maharada, which is one of the longest It's not the longest poem, but it's in the top ten. | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Is it Mahabharata? | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Yeah, you might have... | ||
| That B is in there. | ||
| I don't know if that B is silent. | ||
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Yeah, that's the one with all B. I don't even know words that got a silent B. Mahabharata. | |
| What word has a silent B? I never even know those words existed. | ||
| Mahabharata. | ||
| A silent B? No, that's got a B in there. | ||
| That B makes noise. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But there's vimanas in that, right? | ||
| Where there's flying crafts. | ||
| There's a bunch of weird shit that people throughout history have tried to figure out what the fuck are they talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, that ancient civilization was measuring what they call coppers every 35,000 years, you know? | ||
| And they were saying, you know... | ||
| Measuring coppers? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| That's like K-A-P-P-A. Like Kappa Donna. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I got a tendency to... | ||
| I want to just make a disclaimer real quick. | ||
| I have a tendency to pronounce words the way I pronounce them. | ||
| I have a tendency to listen and understand the words the way you pronounce it, son. | ||
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Words are everything I love, my nigga. | |
| Yo, wait a minute. | ||
| Can I say this real quick? | ||
| I forgot this one. | ||
| I did my show earlier, right, son? | ||
| Joe said he never spent a 16, son. | ||
| Oh, you never spit a six? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| I'm very white. | ||
| Eight? | ||
| No! | ||
| No, man, I didn't even know what he was talking about. | ||
| I had to, like, go over it with him. | ||
| Tell him the bars you said you spit. | ||
| I said hip-hop. | ||
| Oh, he was in a classic. | ||
| He was asking me about Sugar Hill, and I said, yeah, I remember that, and then I started singing it. | ||
| I don't think I was actually about Sugar Hill, son. | ||
| I think we talked about it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I wish I could remember exactly. | ||
| Didn't he? | ||
| I think you did. | ||
| We went to Sugar Hill after a period of time. | ||
| Yeah, you asked me if I knew. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This is what I said. | ||
| You haven't spit 16. You was like, this is what you told me, Joe. | ||
| You said, I don't have time to spit 16. No, I don't have any time to rap. | ||
| This is what you said. | ||
| No, you said, I have much better things. | ||
| I said, I enjoy it. | ||
| You said, Joe. | ||
| I enjoy listening to it. | ||
| I don't have time to do it. | ||
| That's what Joe. | ||
| You said, I have much better things to do with my time than to spit 16. I don't think that's what I said. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's what you said. | ||
| What I said was, I'm too busy to do one more thing. | ||
| And I like rap, but I don't like to do it. | ||
| Maybe I would love it, but I'm not going to. | ||
| I don't have any time. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| That's all it means. | ||
| It's not your thing, yo. | ||
| Yeah, that's all it means. | ||
| Don't try to twist it. | ||
| I didn't twist it. | ||
| The tape speaks for itself. | ||
| I am the producer of your show. | ||
| And you are treating me like a terrible man. | ||
| I'm fired already. | ||
| Misquoting. | ||
| Edit it. | ||
| You're gonna edit it out. | ||
| Let's edit this. | ||
| We were talking about how few white rappers ever actually make it. | ||
| Like, the tiny percentage in comparison to the ones who try it. | ||
| Like, how many of them try it? | ||
| You gotta think there must be millions and millions that have tried it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There's like a small handful of guys. | ||
| Well, in all reality, it's a small handful... | ||
| Period. | ||
| That's true, too. | ||
| So if you look at the ratio, I'm a ratio guy. | ||
| So as we talk, you'll see I'm always pulling some numbers into things. | ||
| But if we look at the ratio, let's say one million white guys tried. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Five made it. | ||
| Let's say, 50 million blacks tried. | ||
| You see what I mean? | ||
| So it's usually the ratio. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Many more are doing it. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| But hip-hop, let me just say something about hip-hop, because I can say that, right? | ||
| It's dead? | ||
| No. | ||
| I thought you made me nervous. | ||
| I was just checking. | ||
| I was like, you killed it. | ||
| Tekashi tried to kill it, but go ahead. | ||
| No, the beautiful thing is that hip-hop is really one of those... | ||
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No, he did! | |
| Okay, I'm sorry. | ||
| No, no, it's all good. | ||
| I like this energy here. | ||
| But hip-hop is a pure American... | ||
| Creation? | ||
| Culture, yeah. | ||
| It's like, you know, people try to trace it. | ||
| Nah, man. | ||
| Trace it right here. | ||
| And when it was formed, right, it's definitely, you know, a lot of young black men, you know, you go back to Cool Hulk and Grandmaster Flash and And Melly Mel and Spoonie G, you know, you can go back to the classes, you know, Grandmaster Kaz, right? | ||
| But within Grandmaster Kaz crew, the Co-Crust brother, you got Charlie Chase, right? | ||
| So you got the Spanish brothers there. | ||
| But then our first hip-hop songs that we love, you know, LL Cool J, Rock the Bells. | ||
| Oh, guess who produced that? | ||
| Rick Rubin. | ||
| He got the white brother there. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| We was talking about that. | ||
| So the youth culture of America at that time, right? | ||
| Even with Fab Five Freddy going down... | ||
| You know, town to the CBGB crowd and all that, and Blondie and all these things was melding from our culture. | ||
| Now, whereas, of course, it's dominantly a black expression, right? | ||
| We could say we dominated the culture, but it took angles from every other part of New York. | ||
| To make it exist. | ||
| And that means it took our Spanish brothers and their culture. | ||
| It took our white brothers and their culture to all form it. | ||
| And then, of course, when Wu-Tang came, we brought the Asian culture in. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Wu-Tang, when you say that, it's like it came in like a thunderstorm. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So we should be proud and know that it's like an inclusive... | ||
| It is. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And look, Bruce Lee, who was an American, right? | ||
| He represents the Asian culture, but he was born in America, went back, made it big in Hong Kong, and came back to America and took it to the next level again. | ||
| And when you look at some of those breakdance moves and some of the philosophies that he brought to mixing more styles together, you know, Jeet Kune Do, which means the way of the intercepting fists, or also the way of he combined boxing with fencing with Wing Chun. | ||
| He put all those MMAs together before it was even that, right? | ||
| When it was taboo. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Hip-hop also is that same type of product. | ||
| Where you do have the soul of James Brown, the jazz of the loneliest monk. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The rock beat of Billy Squire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got a big beat. | ||
| Or Honky Tonk Walkin' by Rolling Stones. | ||
| Those are break beats. | ||
| But yet you also got the Latin feeling of the Mambo Kings. | ||
| And songs like Apache and The Mexican. | ||
| Do you think hip-hop is evolving and not just... | ||
| Because is it evolving... | ||
| In a sense of the creativity of it. | ||
| Because people, they got a situation now where it don't have to evolve. | ||
| People have found a way to make money off of something that people may not agree with. | ||
| It's like hot. | ||
| But do you think hip hop is evolving? | ||
| Yes, it always evolves, right? | ||
| So it's part of the evolution we're seeing now is whereas we, in my generation, we relied on music that was created before us because we came in a time when they took music programs out of school. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So you didn't learn how to play a guitar, a piano. | ||
| And your music equipment or your instrument became your turntables. | ||
| It became your drum machine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Eventually became our sampler. | ||
| And then we sampled a lot of songs, a lot of breaks from old records that already existed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But this generation, right... | ||
| They're not actually forced to sample. | ||
| They actually could take their keyboard, their drum machine, their laptop and just create. | ||
| And on their phone, too. | ||
| Yeah, and on their phone and just create the beat, right? | ||
| And so now the beat has no historical reference to it in the sense of, oh, that was a James Brown sample. | ||
| That was a Marvin Gaye sample. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's just that kid who, whether he did Fruity Loops and threw some chord progressions together, or whether he sat there on his garage band on his phone and hit the guitar program that comes with it, or whatever, the creativity of it is now having this form of originality. | ||
| Now, of course, once something like that happens, there's a formula. | ||
| So we keep hearing that same formula exists right now. | ||
| But I think one of the greatest evolution of hip-hop I'm going to use the word evolution loosely because when I think about the Cold Crush Brothers and the Force MDs, they did this anyway in the beginning. | ||
| But hip-hop has become more melodic. | ||
| Now than it did in the 90s, in the early 2000s, right? | ||
| So what I mean by that, you know, rappers now, you know, I'm just so D, like it's all melody, it's all, you know, it's all chanting, right? | ||
| It has the reggae chant vibe to it. | ||
| When we was doing it, I smoke on the mic like smoking Joe Frazier. | ||
| It was all aggressive chop rap, you know what I mean? | ||
| So to see that it evolves to this melodic form, and then you look at Kanye, he now took it to gospel. | ||
| It's melodic as hell right now. | ||
| Snoop took it to Snoop Lion. | ||
| But Snoop Lion, Snoop was really successful. | ||
| The Snoop Lion thing wasn't that successful, but the one he won, the gospel album, I think he was getting awards and nominated and stayed on top of Billboard for a while. | ||
| Yeah, and now Kanye is in that world. | ||
| So it's evolving, right? | ||
| But church is even different now. | ||
| You got fucking pussy-eating preachers now. | ||
| What you mean, now? | ||
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What? | |
| No, I'm just saying, like, viral. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, no, I'm sorry. | ||
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I didn't know. | |
| What's going on? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| They had this one... | ||
| You didn't hear pussy, son? | ||
| You didn't know what's going on? | ||
| No, I don't know exactly what's going on. | ||
| Say that again slow, brother. | ||
| The pussy-eating preacher. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| A pap? | ||
| Jamie, Google it! | ||
| Google it, son! | ||
| It was like, I'm pretty sure Preacher's been eating pussy for a while, but this one got caught on camera and he went viral, son. | ||
| On Pornhub? | ||
| It's not Pornhub. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Yeah, it looks like it. | ||
| Yo, it's real. | ||
| Women doing little signs like, if you was on a deserted island, who would you want to be? | ||
| And they got somebody else, they got somebody else, and they got the preceding preacher. | ||
| I know it's kind of disgusting. | ||
| Where's he from? | ||
| From New York? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He from down south. | ||
| They on guard hard down there. | ||
| They on guard hard? | ||
| They on guard hard. | ||
| They don't got hard, son. | ||
| They out of North Carolina, South Carolina. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| That's him right there. | ||
| They say he's speaking tongues. | ||
| I don't want to see that. | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
| That's the pussycats. | ||
| Yeah, they blocked it all out with pussycats so that you can't see your pussy. | ||
| I'm a little naive. | ||
| It's the internet, kids. | ||
| These wacky kids. | ||
| They love cats. | ||
| And this guy's conjugation is going up. | ||
| Yeah, it's going up. | ||
| People are dissonant. | ||
| They're like, look at God. | ||
| Won't he do it? | ||
| Girls like getting their pussy eaten. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| Listen, nothing wrong. | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
| That's one thing about sex. | ||
| Can I use a little more scientific word here? | ||
| Please. | ||
| Cunnilingus. | ||
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Ah. | |
| All right. | ||
| I feel you, but nah. | ||
| Listen, but just like you said earlier, you're going to speak the way you normally talk? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, condolingus. | ||
| I use condolingus in my daily conversation, okay? | ||
| No, but condolingus is, look, it's fellatio, whatever you guys want to do. | ||
| This is part of sex. | ||
| So, it is what it is, right? | ||
| And, of course, everybody likes it. | ||
| Everybody likes sex. | ||
| Listen, I don't think you're going to find a species that don't like sex. | ||
| You can see two flies on top of each other. | ||
| You ever see two flies? | ||
| They smash in the air. | ||
| Doing 360s, yo. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You know, doing verticals too. | ||
| You ever see eagles do it? | ||
| They have to fly through the air and they almost crash to the ground while they're fucking because they kind of like run out of space. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The guy's trying to nut on the way down. | ||
| If they don't make it, sometimes they'll bounce off trees and shit. | ||
| You ever seen it? | ||
| You should watch Eagles Fuck. | ||
| Jimmy Schubert used to have a great bit about it. | ||
| I don't know if he still has it, but he had a great bit about Eagles. | ||
| Eagles Fuck is not the name of a band. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A metal band. | ||
| Eagles Fuck. | ||
| Do they go to sleep afterwards? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know a whole lot about it, but I remember learning about it from a Jimmy Schubert bit. | ||
| Yeah, this is them fucking. | ||
| They fuck, and they just lock up until he gets it off. | ||
| She's like, no, let go. | ||
| You're not going to come. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to get it off. | ||
| Damn, he fuckers. | ||
| You know what I like about that? | ||
| Those are American eagles right there, brother. | ||
| Americans fuck, taking a big risk for cum. | ||
| I mean, this is bananas. | ||
| This is the real thing. | ||
| And then apparently they'll disjoin when they get too close to the ground. | ||
| With no emotions. | ||
| There are no emotions involved with this. | ||
| Look at his face, though. | ||
| He had that face like... | ||
| You saw what I did to that, wasn't it? | ||
| No emotion involved with that at all. | ||
| It's a terrible animal to have as our national animal. | ||
| It's a raptor. | ||
| A vicious raptor that doesn't give a fuck about anything. | ||
| But when that motherfucker spread his wings, that look is like... | ||
| That look and flying is what gives it that... | ||
| It's good if you want the world to be scared of you. | ||
| An eagle is a good one. | ||
| Man, one of the forms of kung fu that I had to learn is the eagle claw, which is a very good thing. | ||
| If you want me to show you... | ||
| Nah, man, you ain't got to do no moves on me, man. | ||
| I know you. | ||
| Wu-Tang forever. | ||
| Don't bitch me out of that. | ||
| When did you get into kung fu movies? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I got into those, like, I saw my first kung fu movie, I think, at the age of nine, right? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And, you know, that was probably only my third movie experience. | ||
| How? | ||
| Only because, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, nowadays, you know, you can see movies anywhere. | ||
| Back then in the early 70s. | ||
| You had to go somewhere. | ||
| You had to go somewhere. | ||
| And, listen. | ||
| Oh, you got to have a tape! | ||
| No, no, no, no tape. | ||
| No, no, this is before VHS. I'm talking about going to the movies. | ||
| Let me give you a little movie history for the RZA. First movie I ever saw was Huckleberry Finn. | ||
| Down south, my cousin took me to the movies. | ||
| I was maybe 6 or 7 years old. | ||
| Second time to the movie theater. | ||
| Second time, my Uncle Hollis took me. | ||
| It was a double feature. | ||
| It was Star Wars and The Swarm. | ||
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Right? | |
| And listen to how all this stuff affects my life. | ||
| The killer bees, the swarm, Wu-Tang killer bees. | ||
| Third time to the movie theater. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Or third or fourth time. | ||
| Because I saw Rocky and then I saw... | ||
| A double feature starring Bruce Lee, which is called Furia the Dragon, and another movie called Black Samurai starring Jim Kelly. | ||
| Oh man, that was the shit. | ||
| And once I saw that... | ||
| Yo, that nigga's fucking motherfuckers. | ||
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Oh, I'm sorry. | |
| He was a bad pre. | ||
| He was fucking bitches and everything. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Once I saw that, I was hooked on the action kung fu movies. | ||
|
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What? | |
| And then I saw... | ||
| As a double feature, you had to. | ||
| As a double feature. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That's like, bam, bam! | ||
| Ten to the age of nine. | ||
| And mind you... | ||
| That was the birth of Wu-Tang Clan. | ||
| And mind you, back then, to go to the movies, my family didn't have the $1.25. | ||
| Like, to get the money to go to the movies, it may take six months. | ||
| And when we got to the movies, I'm going to tell you this family, my family. | ||
| This is back when I was still eating meat, pork, swine. | ||
| You know, we used to kill the pig. | ||
| We used to raise him, name him. | ||
| Kill them, eat them. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| But, so now I'm in New York City living with my grandmother. | ||
| Send me the movies. | ||
| Rocky's playing. | ||
| Everybody's coming to see Rocky. | ||
| We gotta bring our Sunday dinner to the theater with us. | ||
| Oh, nigga! | ||
| And yo, and my grandma stuffed pig feats in there. | ||
| Collard greens, potato salad. | ||
| Joe, you would never know this, Joe. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| In the movies. | ||
| All the people who got popcorn, goobas. | ||
| They let you bring it in? | ||
| Back in those days, you could... | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| You were sneaking in, too. | ||
| Yeah, you had a big bag. | ||
| You knew what the big bag was. | ||
| Nobody was thirsty. | ||
| One motherfucker might get a soda. | ||
| They was like this. | ||
| They share it. | ||
| Like, yo, let me tell you something. | ||
| We walked for years. | ||
| I walked right past all the concessions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Popcorn, hot dogs, Twizzlers. | ||
| Never had no money for that shit. | ||
| I walked straight in the theater. | ||
| Yeah, I'm with them. | ||
| Because, listen, think about a dollar... | ||
| For a snicker. | ||
| You couldn't even get a snicker when it was $0.40. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| We used to ask our parents, hey mom, you got 25 cents? | ||
| What'd she say? | ||
| Boy, I ain't got good cents. | ||
| I ain't got no cents. | ||
| I ain't got good cents, boy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So we from that era. | ||
| But at the end of the day, though, those movie moments, you know what I mean? | ||
| They really inspired me, really took me to a world that was different from the project world that I lived in. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And once I started seeing movies like The Five Deadly Venoms and 36 Chambers and... | ||
| And Masked Avengers and Super Ninjas, all that. | ||
| When you start seeing those now, you're like in a period. | ||
| And you're seeing all this action and it's just, it starts resonating with me. | ||
| And maybe around the age of 14, I just ended right here. | ||
| I won't talk the whole show over it. | ||
| But around the age of 14, I'm watching... | ||
| Niggas want to listen. | ||
| Yeah, don't worry about it. | ||
| I'm watching... | ||
| Eating Tito's a tonic here? | ||
| Remember last time you gave me a drink, son? | ||
| Do you want a drink? | ||
| Yeah, I'll take Tito's. | ||
| You don't drink, right? | ||
| You don't drink. | ||
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You're a vegan. | |
| Y'all don't drink, right? | ||
| You say, I'm a vegan. | ||
| I don't drink. | ||
| Nah, just ask your question. | ||
| Vegan don't do shit, son. | ||
| Ain't no meat and vegan? | ||
| Ain't no meat and drinks? | ||
| I didn't know, but someone be like, what is the potato? | ||
| And then is it, I don't know how, you know, they be like, is it corn syrup? | ||
| Is this dehydrated? | ||
| What's the origin of it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a lot of wine that's not vegan, apparently. | ||
| Yeah, they put egg whites in a lot of wine. | ||
| Is that what they do? | ||
| Egg whites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even really, to be honest, I don't even really know what the fuck a real vegan is. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| Okay, what does that mean? | ||
|
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You can't eat any animal products. | |
| What is it? | ||
| It ain't that you can't, right? | ||
| Well, if you are claiming to be a vegan, a vegan diet is no animal products. | ||
| So do true vegans give a fuck about vegan for the health of it or for actually what it's doing to animals and shit? | ||
| Both. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you You give a fuck about how chickens are slaughtered and shit is the reason? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To be honest with you, bro, I just hit you with this right here. | ||
| The reality, how I feel, no animal needs to die for me to live. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| My son turned 14 this year, never had a piece of meat in his life, He's going to do eight pull-ups right now. | ||
| My oldest son, having to have meat in his life, he could bench over 200 pounds. | ||
| 6'2", 8-pack, played guitar, piano, Great memory. | ||
| He never had no hot dogs or nothing. | ||
| Never had a hot dog. | ||
| He never had a hot dog. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| He never had a hot dog. | ||
| He never had a hot dog. | ||
| You ain't never... | ||
| You think he never, ever had a hot dog. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| 18? | ||
| Listen. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| 18? | ||
| 21. 21. He never... | ||
| Son. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If he had a hot dog, it was a vegan hot dog. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Not at a grandma house or nothing? | ||
| Nah, nah. | ||
| Nah? | ||
| The whiskey? | ||
| But I'm not knocking it. | ||
| The point being made to you, right, bro, is that... | ||
| I'm only saying that to say that I can look at my household as a living example that you don't need... | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| That to live. | ||
| I ain't mad. | ||
| I'm not arguing whatever, especially so now. | ||
| I talk shit about vegans and shit. | ||
| I talk shit about plant-based motherfuckers. | ||
| But I know now, the way people cook it, And the more options, there's more options to eat like that than it was when I was coming up. | ||
| When I was coming up, it was just like that sunrise patty. | ||
| That's the only vegetarian. | ||
| And they can tell you to eat some broccoli or carrots or something. | ||
| But it wasn't no options. | ||
| And it wasn't so many people doing it where you wouldn't find no vegan restaurant. | ||
| It would be one spot. | ||
| You got to go way over there. | ||
| You go to a Jamaican spot in Brooklyn, if you was a vegetarian, you had that one steamed pie and they had the mixed vegetables. | ||
| That's the only thing you was going to get that didn't have no meat in it. | ||
| Yeah, I became vegetarian. | ||
| So me and ODB, right? | ||
| Yeah, man, why you switch on me? | ||
| But I'll do it. | ||
| You can have that? | ||
| Yeah, Tito's. | ||
| Jamie went to get the Tito's. | ||
| You're a Tito's man? | ||
| I got to change my flight. | ||
| I ain't going. | ||
| We got him. | ||
| We got him. | ||
| We got him in first class. | ||
| What I got to do, what I got to do, I could like, and plus I ain't really see my son that much. | ||
| What I got to do, I could do it anytime tomorrow. | ||
| I'm going to see somebody. | ||
| I could be there four hours later. | ||
| I need to get some time with my son and I'm chilling here. | ||
| So, I know I ain't get invited, but. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Have a seat. | ||
| You're here. | ||
| So, did you, when did you stop eating meat? | ||
| How many years has it been? | ||
| I haven't had a piece of red meat Since 1995. Wow. | ||
| And what about fish? | ||
| I haven't had a piece of poetry since 1996. After we finished the Liquid Sword album, I guess. | ||
| And I haven't had fish. | ||
| I stopped eating fish in 1997. Damn. | ||
| I feel the average motherfucker feel good if he can hold on to fish. | ||
| You feel good, like a Presbyterian? | ||
| Cheers, my man. | ||
| Oh, you got squash? | ||
| He's got turmeric coffee. | ||
| Yo, you got squash, son? | ||
| Yeah, I'm drinking vegan. | ||
| Do you not drink any alcohol? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I got some vegan Kool-Aid. | ||
| Would you like a glass? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Yeah, I had a good weekend of drinking, so I'm going to take the weekdays. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I respect that, son. | ||
| I respect that, son. | ||
| I like to drink, but if I have a heavy weekend, I gotta take some chill pills. | ||
| Do you monitor your nutrition and make sure you get all your bases covered, your amino acids and your proteins? | ||
| Are you mostly a whole food diet or do you supplement? | ||
| No, I don't really monitor, yo. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I don't eat a lot, personally. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, on a good day, if I'm on my best, the best riser, I'm eating once a day anyway. | ||
| Once a day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's a typical meal? | ||
| I haven't eaten today. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I got something. | ||
| You're going to love this. | ||
| I got some lettuce wraps. | ||
| Yo, you give him that shit you tried to give me, son. | ||
| That I want to eat after I might finish this. | ||
| Yo, why you act like I'm against being a vegan? | ||
| I'm not against it, man. | ||
| I'm not saying you're against. | ||
| I'm just saying you're going to love this. | ||
| I know, but I never said I wouldn't love it, son. | ||
| I'm not mad at your diet, man. | ||
| Only thing I'm saying is, you know, I don't know a lot of vegans. | ||
| Yeah, this is something that you would eat, right? | ||
| F-bombs. | ||
| You would eat one of those, right? | ||
| What's this? | ||
| The weeds, right? | ||
| It's nut butter. | ||
| No, it's just nut butter. | ||
| Nut bomb. | ||
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I don't like how that sounds. | |
| I told you, son! | ||
| You gotta rename this one. | ||
| Yo, that's the first thing I said, y'all. | ||
| Fat bomb. | ||
| That you can't lead in with nuts. | ||
| You can't lead in with nuts. | ||
| Healthy oils. | ||
| You can't lead in with nuts. | ||
| Yeah, nuts. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Crunched up nuts. | ||
| Can I say crunched up nuts? | ||
| Is that alright? | ||
| Yeah, you can't lead in with nuts. | ||
| There's no butter in it anyway. | ||
| Like, you just try to say everything nut related. | ||
| But I eat a lot of those. | ||
| It makes sense, but I'm just not used to a liquid diet. | ||
| Some people are cool with a liquid diet. | ||
| I'm just not comfortable with it. | ||
| It tastes good, and if I just need nutrition, real quick. | ||
| There's no bullshit. | ||
| I take one of these with me. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta... | ||
| I'm not mad at your... | ||
| I'll get them to send you some. | ||
| I'll get them to send you some. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's great shit, man. | ||
| Well, I like me. | ||
| Just reading it, it makes so much sense. | ||
| Very healthy. | ||
| It's basically just protein and organic dark chocolate. | ||
| I'm going to say this to you, brother. | ||
| No offense on this. | ||
| Man, why you keep... | ||
| Why you keep... | ||
| Because... | ||
| Man, but everything you... | ||
| Only if we don't say this to you because it won't go to him. | ||
| This don't work on him. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But every time you say something to me, you say it like, before you start tripping out, I'm not... | ||
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Nah, nah, don't do that. | |
| Yes, you are. | ||
| You're like, let me do it. | ||
| Go ahead, go ahead. | ||
| I'm going to say something to you, gentlemen, but this is for you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It has dark chocolate in it, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So dark chocolate is known to reduce high blood pressure. | ||
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Right. | |
| And us as black men... | ||
| We're, you know, they say we have high blood pressure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Based on us being in America, not getting that real natural sun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And having a high sodium diet. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| High blood pressure. | ||
| Dark chocolate helps reduce it. | ||
| So this is... | ||
| Good for me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's good for everybody. | ||
| But why you got to just direct it at me? | ||
| Like, I need dark chocolate. | ||
| Well, brother... | ||
| I'm just saying, I don't even know why you felt like I needed the dark chocolate. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I had to... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I just... | ||
| No, I'm just saying, you keep pointing at me and shit. | ||
| I'm sorry, I like dark chocolate like everybody else like dark chocolate. | ||
| You like milk chocolate or dark chocolate? | ||
| I like dark chocolate. | ||
| You know what's great? | ||
| What? | ||
| Watch this shit on TV. This is my shit. | ||
| Watch what on TV? The Food That Made America. | ||
| Anybody watch that yet? | ||
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No. | |
| What is it? | ||
| Food Channel? | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe it's a History Channel or one of them stations. | ||
| But they go into the Hershey Company, the Mars. | ||
| Oh, is that the same people that did The Men That Made America? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an A&E docuseries. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I didn't see that one. | ||
| But that one about the men that made America? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got to watch it. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Did they cover Kellogg's? | ||
| They covered Kellogg's, yo. | ||
| Check out how Kellogg's start, yo. | ||
| I got a story for you to know. | ||
| Tell the story about how here it is. | ||
| I got a story for you to know why black people like Pepsi. | ||
| But hold on, let him tell the Kellogg's story because you're not even going to believe this. | ||
| Okay, Kellogg's start because he's just a doctor with a little, they call it sanitary, what they call it? | ||
| Sanitarium. | ||
| Yeah, is it sanitary? | ||
| Is that what we had? | ||
| I pronounce the words wrong sometimes. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| But anyway, he's a doctor, right? | ||
| No, sanitarium. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Battle Creek Sanitarium. | ||
| Yeah, so he's there, right? | ||
| Nigga, I never knew that motherfucker, that Kellogg, yo. | ||
| He's a real man. | ||
| I didn't know he was a real motherfucker. | ||
| I did not know Kellogg was a motherfucker. | ||
| Dude, he invented cereal to keep people from having sex and beating off. | ||
| He invented cereal. | ||
| Ever! | ||
| He invented cereal to calm people's sexual desire. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And their diet. | ||
| Because they were sick there and he thought the best way to get the nutrients, he would bake all this grain together and then break it up and serve it to him. | ||
| No, he didn't pour milk. | ||
| His brother actually was the one that was like, put some milk in it. | ||
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Oh, it's always somebody trying to fuck this. | |
| He's like, nah, I need something. | ||
| It needs something. | ||
| Pour some milk in it. | ||
| Well, he was right. | ||
| It's the truth. | ||
| Oh, that's the best shit. | ||
| After sex? | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Oh yeah, after sex. | ||
| Yo, you gotta have after sex, son. | ||
| Golden grams. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| Now check out the punchline of the story, right? | ||
| So Kellogg's is doing this shit and his brother's like, yo, listen, man. | ||
| There's money in this. | ||
| We can sell this. | ||
| But Kellogg's, he's a doctor. | ||
| He's already making money. | ||
| He's like, nah, man, look. | ||
| His brother's a little dyslexia. | ||
| He ain't really kind of got it together. | ||
| He's telling his brother, look, we ain't doing all that, son. | ||
| Just go to work and do what I tell you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's going to work and do what he tells him. | ||
| And then one guy comes over to the sanatorium. | ||
| No money. | ||
| He can't afford to pay. | ||
| He has to work it off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they let him work it off, right? | ||
| He's working. | ||
| He's eating the cereal every morning. | ||
| And he's just checking out the sanatorium. | ||
| And he looks around. | ||
| His name is Mr. Post. | ||
| Mr. Post? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He leaves the sanatorium. | ||
| And before Kellogg's starts Kellogg's cereal, Mr. Post started post cereal, homie. | ||
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He came out with Post and blew up. | |
| Wow, I forgot about Post. | ||
| Yo, for real, was it beef? | ||
| Was it like cereal beef? | ||
| Oh, it was cereal beef for the whole, like, it's still good. | ||
| You know, that's why Pepsi-Cola, right? | ||
| You ask yourself, black people love Pepsi-Cola, right? | ||
| I was talking to this white dude one time, he said, you know why black people like Pepsi? | ||
| I was like, you're trying to be racist, right? | ||
| And he explained the story to me. | ||
| Back in like the 30s, when Coca-Cola and Pepsi was the two volume bottling companies, and Coca-Cola was smashing Pepsi on sales. | ||
| Like $125 million, like $3 million in sales per year, right? | ||
| Pepsi needed to do something to get a different audience. | ||
| So Pepsi painted basically Coke to be either racist or not really caring about the black community. | ||
| And Pepsi was the first corporation that started putting black people on the cover of the posters and being affluent, like doctors, nurses. | ||
| Because everything you saw was like Aunt Jemima shit. | ||
| But Pepsi was the first ones to start doing that. | ||
| And Pepsi hired... | ||
| an ad agency 12 black guys I think it was in Louisiana to go out and do juke joints and touch the black community and what Pepsi did was like quantity wise like say if you had 10 ounces of Pepsi 10 ounces of Coke Pepsi Coke would charge like 20 cents and Pepsi would charge like 10 cents but basically you're getting You give a nigga sugar, it don't matter, you can charge it up, right? | ||
| So that's the reason, and then if you think about that, through generation to generation, that's the reason why a person can be disconnected from a certain brand. | ||
| Think about it, if you at home, right, you got Pepsi and Coke, and then you hear somebody say, man, we don't drink that Coke, man, that's how white people sold it. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| You won't drink it anymore. | ||
| And that's what they did. | ||
| It's a book called The Real... | ||
| Jamie, pop it up. | ||
| The Real Pepsi Challenge. | ||
| The Real Pepsi Challenge. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I'm going to look into that. | ||
| I think this would be... | ||
| I looked into trying to get the rights to it some kind of way. | ||
| I got blocked early on. | ||
| Maybe I ain't had the right Jutane playing on my team to get it done. | ||
| But The Real Pepsi Challenge. | ||
| The Real Pepsi Challenge. | ||
| Read the synopsis. | ||
| How one pioneering company broke the color barrier in 1940s American businesses. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And see, you wouldn't see them back then. | ||
| You wasn't seeing posters of a working mom. | ||
| You were just seeing, like, serving and stuff. | ||
| And that's when... | ||
| Is that an audio version of that book? | ||
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I'll buy it the fuck out of it. | |
| I'm pretty sure it is. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it is. | ||
| But it's a great story. | ||
| You could just see... | ||
| You read it, you could just see the outfits they was wearing. | ||
| And, like, the Pepsi dudes, they was a Pepsi motherfucker. | ||
| They was a Pepsi niggas. | ||
| They were just... | ||
| They had money to go throw parties and shit. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| They was like... | ||
| Just pep it up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Pepsi it up. | ||
| Pep it up. | ||
| Do you know that Coca-Cola to this day is made with cocaine? | ||
| Not to this day. | ||
| I heard early on. | ||
| No, it's this day. | ||
| They make it with cocaine. | ||
| They use coca leaves, and then they extract medical cocaine from that, and then there's a company that makes... | ||
| Price does it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's a company that extracts it for them and makes medical cocaine, and they have coca leaves that are shipped to Coca-Cola to make Coca-Cola. | ||
| There's a certain flavor that those coca leaves give it. | ||
| No cocaine anymore. | ||
| I thought it was the sugar. | ||
| No, but there's a company that's connected to it that actually uses those coca leaves and extracts the medical... | ||
| There is medical cocaine, like lidocaine. | ||
| They use it for different surgeries and shit like that. | ||
| That's true, right? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| In the series, the food that made America, they go into Coca-Cola. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| I can't believe that. | ||
| They can still buy Coke. | ||
| And yo, he said... | ||
| But the inventor of Coca-Cola was hooked on... | ||
| Coke? | ||
| No, another drug. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| He was hooked on... | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| You can look it up, right? | ||
| He's hooked on... | ||
| What's the other... | ||
| Morphine. | ||
| He's hooked on morphine, right? | ||
| So he's trying to counter it. | ||
| He's trying to counter himself. | ||
| With cocaine. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Oh my God, he's speedballing. | ||
| But check it out. | ||
| But the cocoa... | ||
| The cocoa leaf, the cocoa plant, is actually an African plant. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We always think of it as being Colombian. | ||
| So it's like coffee? | ||
| How coffee all came from Ethiopia? | ||
| It's that kind of party. | ||
| And they go into it. | ||
| He makes cocoa, the cocoa plant, and a few other ingredients together. | ||
| And he made Coca-Cola. | ||
| So he made a cocktail to take off the morphine edge. | ||
| Yeah, and the original formula is still unknown. | ||
| For Coca-Cola? | ||
| Can you imagine what it'd be like to buy Coca-Cola when it had cocaine in it? | ||
| You're like, crack! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Running through the streets coked up on Coca-Cola. | ||
| This motherfucker's really thirsty. | ||
| Nah, he lit right now. | ||
| Can you imagine what that was? | ||
| What was the decision? | ||
| Like, when did they all get together and go, hey, we gotta take the fucking cocaine out of Coca-Cola? | ||
| When did they get together and take that out? | ||
| But I thought that they did it for people with dental issues with their mouth and stuff. | ||
| Like pain and shit? | ||
| Yeah, I thought that was the first one. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what, what? | ||
| Lidocaine. | ||
| Lidocaine. | ||
| They use it in surgeries. | ||
| Lidocaine. | ||
| Yeah, when I had my deviated septum fix, I had a broken nose, they straighten it out, and they flood it with lidocaine to numb it. | ||
| It's like a cousin of cocaine. | ||
| Higher dose. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't get you high, but it makes you feel like shit. | ||
| I said, what'd you do to do? | ||
| They flooded your nose with this. | ||
| Yeah, it makes you feel like shit. | ||
| It doesn't get you high, but you feel like disconnected and weird. | ||
| Like, they gave me a pretty good dose when they fixed my nose, and I remember I went to a restaurant Like, either that night or the day after. | ||
| I think it was that night, and I was feeling terrible. | ||
| Like, I'm like, I can't taste anything. | ||
| I feel all shaky and weird. | ||
| Like, I'm not on cocaine, but it's like a weird cousin to it. | ||
| Did it do anything to your appetite or anything? | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't that hungry. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it fucked with me. | ||
| It just made me feel shitty. | ||
| I just felt like, ugh. | ||
| It felt like my heart was beating too fast. | ||
| I felt weird. | ||
| It just felt like something was off. | ||
| It didn't make any sense. | ||
| But they use it just to numb you up for surgeries. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's real common. | ||
| I never had none of that shit. | ||
| Real common. | ||
| You've joint injuries and shit like that. | ||
| Shoot you up with lidocaine. | ||
| I knew some fighters. | ||
| Listen to the world again. | ||
| Lidocaine. | ||
| He's like lying. | ||
| It's the lying version of the whole game. | ||
|
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It's a liar cane. | |
| Sound like a Frank Ocean song. | ||
| Lidocaine, lidocaine. | ||
| He would shoot into his shins before fights. | ||
| For what? | ||
| The numb his shins up? | ||
| Numb the shit out of his shins. | ||
| And then start kneeing you? | ||
| Just fuck you up with his shins. | ||
| Just fuck, fuck, fuck. | ||
| Couldn't feel a goddamn thing. | ||
| It was all numbed up. | ||
| Well, there's no lidocaine in this. | ||
| This is strictly... | ||
| No. | ||
| Dry roasted macadamia nuts. | ||
| Organic dark chocolate. | ||
| See, the nuts part is better on the back than the front right on your face when you first opened it. | ||
| Yeah, at least... | ||
| Unsweetened chocolate. | ||
| Cain, syrup, cocoa powder, cocoa butter. | ||
| Good stuff, right? | ||
| Vanilla and sea salt. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| And dark chocolate. | ||
|
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Good stuff. | |
| Yeah, let's put this in my pocket. | ||
| I'm gonna take this. | ||
| Take it. | ||
| What'd you do? | ||
| Would you put it on top of something? | ||
| No, I just rip it open and chew it right out of there. | ||
| Yeah, he'd do it hard, so like after squat, he'd just... | ||
| And just like, just throw the thing, squeeze the thing and just throw that shit. | ||
| I noticed that you work out. | ||
| Are you working out? | ||
| I don't work out. | ||
| You can work out here too. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| We'll produce your show. | ||
| Man, I'm about to eat better. | ||
| I'm about to work out, son. | ||
| But I'm telling you, everything happens for a reason today. | ||
| Because I want to eat better because I'm tired of this motherfucker looking at me like I eat all fucked up. | ||
| You keep looking at me like, let me explain something to you. | ||
| Anyone who's disciplined with their diet, if you're disciplined with your diet, no matter what you're eating, you're going to do better than people or not. | ||
| Man, I could do it. | ||
| I could do it for every reason. | ||
| I could do vegan and everything for every reason. | ||
| The health reasons, every reason for it. | ||
| I'm not mad at it. | ||
| I'm not mad at vegan food. | ||
| I think it works for some people health-wise, but I think for other people it doesn't work. | ||
| I'm going to want a piece of fish, son. | ||
| If I was to advise on it, if I could take my advice, I'd say, look, Even if you include one day a week with a vegan diet. | ||
| Just one day, right? | ||
| Just like how some cultures, they have Saturday, they do this or Sunday, they do that. | ||
| If you include it one day. | ||
| Like vegan Friday? | ||
| Vegan Friday. | ||
| I can't give up vegan Friday for fish Friday. | ||
| Do you ever go to Indian restaurants that have vegetarian cuisine? | ||
| Indian restaurants, they know how to do it because they've been doing it for fucking hundreds of years. | ||
| I'm not mad at a vegetable diet. | ||
| I'm not mad at it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Especially, I like food, especially if it's the best of that. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I ain't ready for no vegan struggle plate. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Carrots with a little balsamic vinegar or something. | ||
| Some straight lettuce. | ||
| Oh, a struggle plate. | ||
| A struggle. | ||
| A struggle plate. | ||
| I don't want no vegan. | ||
| That restaurant that he has, he should have one of the plates. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| He should name one of the plates there vegan struggle. | ||
| Struggle plate. | ||
| Travis Parker's place. | ||
| He's got that Crossroads vegan restaurant. | ||
| He does? | ||
| I'm gonna contact him. | ||
| Ask him for a vegan struggle plate. | ||
| A vegan struggle plate. | ||
| It's like one carrot, like one banana, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| You need something hearty. | ||
| No extra sauces or nothing, just straight vegetables. | ||
| Struggle plate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You need something. | ||
| That's like mayonnaise sandwiches, but vegan. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Vegan version of that. | ||
| Vegan mayonnaise sandwiches. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You want something hearty. | ||
| You ever have a, sorry, you ever have a sugar sandwich? | ||
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No. | |
| What's a sugar sandwich? | ||
| I don't advise it. | ||
| Basically, what is it? | ||
| Wait, some of this stuff, sugar diet stuff, it's like the cheapest thing to get was a loaf of bread. | ||
| The cheapest thing you can get is a loaf of bread. | ||
| A loaf of bread was 25, 30, 40 cents or whatever. | ||
| Cheapest thing you can get a loaf of bread. | ||
| But everything else you put in it, it's not cheap. | ||
| The meat not cheap. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| The cheese could be free. | ||
| The cheese could be free. | ||
| But you want to create the whole sandwich. | ||
| Because it don't matter how big it is. | ||
| If it's meat or whatever, it's the same size. | ||
| Whether it's a jelly sandwich or whatever. | ||
| And then you would get anything in between two pieces of bread, whether it was butter and sugar. | ||
| I know this sounds so gross, Joe. | ||
| That sounds good, butter and sugar. | ||
| I know it sounds good, but it's going to fuck you up. | ||
| You're going to be asking for dark chocolate. | ||
| Butter and sugar. | ||
| That's not a bad sandwich. | ||
| You will die? | ||
| That shit ain't no good, but that shit is like, as a kid, nigga, you was like, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. | ||
| Well, that's what Peter Bear and Jelly does for you If you have like Skippy, if you have like one of the real delicious peanut butters and some grape jelly, that's a lot of sugar. | ||
| Those delicious peanut butters. | ||
| Yeah, well, instead of organic ones, the ones you have to stir yourself, those are good. | ||
| They're good for you. | ||
| They're much better for you because they don't have any sugar added to them. | ||
| But everybody loves, like, Jif or Skippy. | ||
| But the whole thing about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? | ||
| With Wonder Bread? | ||
| Everybody had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. | ||
| Everybody had it. | ||
| I hated peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. | ||
| You hated peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? | ||
| I wanted bologna and cheese, son. | ||
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I wanted bologna and cheese mayonnaise. | |
| I wanted the white bread. | ||
| I want you to do it horizontally. | ||
| I want to put it in a triangle, put it in a lunacy, and then on that field trip on the bus, I want to get that goddamn bus heat to melt it up a little bit. | ||
| Man, that was the best sandwich ever and we never got him. | ||
| I never got him. | ||
| Don't you hate when somebody show off to school lunch and they got a better sandwich than you? | ||
| You just got a cheese sandwich and man got... | ||
| He got lettuce, tomatoes, he got a little ranch dressing to put on there. | ||
| A cat's deli sandwich. | ||
| Anybody ever been to a cat's deli in New York? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Have you been to a cat's deli, brother? | ||
| I've been to... | ||
| Does that place still win those tickets? | ||
| He's in New York. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| No, you keep pointing at me like, this is how you just said it. | ||
| You said that. | ||
| It felt like you said this to me. | ||
| I know you ain't never been to Cats, but go ahead and lie to me. | ||
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Have you ever been to Cats Deli? | |
| I've been to Cats Deli. | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| What's your favorite thing in a Cats Deli? | ||
| I get a turkey and cheese. | ||
| I keep it simple. | ||
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Why turkey? | |
| I don't want to even talk about meat around you. | ||
| This is not going to end well. | ||
| Oh, you gotta get the pastrami. | ||
| Yo, you want the best pastrami of your life? | ||
| Slimans in Cleveland, Ohio. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Slimans in Cleveland. | ||
| You've been there? | ||
| That's in Greek, not Greektown. | ||
| It's over there by Slimans. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Germantown. | |
| They have a Germantown. | ||
| Probably so. | ||
| This sandwich. | ||
| You think that's better than Katz's? | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| This sandwich is the best thing they got in Cleveland. | ||
| It's LeBron and this sandwich, son. | ||
| Yo, Jamie, am I lying? | ||
| The sandwich is still there. | ||
| Is that legit? | ||
| They're famous for their... | ||
| They're famous. | ||
| And not only that, but it's like, you get this sandwich, like, you could just, you should, if you really, you could, like, the sandwich is like this big. | ||
| You could be like, give me a sandwich and then a half loaf of bread. | ||
| Go home with it. | ||
| Yo, you can go home. | ||
| This slimy shit, like if you want to smash a heavy chick in the Midwest, come back with one of the slimings. | ||
| That's sliming? | ||
| I know you ain't fuck with that, son. | ||
| But that sandwich? | ||
| That's hilarious how big that is. | ||
| But no, it's not just the size of it. | ||
| It's a really good sandwich. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| But I love when people do that. | ||
| When they make something that's just over the top. | ||
| Now what part of this pastrami is made? | ||
| Is that the cow's ass? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| I'm just asking, brother. | ||
| I'm asking. | ||
| A lot of meat is made from the ass. | ||
| A lot of meat is made from the legs, the rumps, you know? | ||
| A lot of roasts are made from the legs. | ||
| You ever eat Slim Jims? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It says right on it. | ||
| It says beef lips, beef ass, and beef heart. | ||
| Heart's good for you. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Lips and assholes. | ||
| I don't even want to talk about meat with you, man. | ||
| The real problem is really the preservatives and all the stuff they put in it to make sure you can roll it up in a fucking tube and stick it in a tray and let it sit there for weeks and months on end. | ||
| I mean, it's meat. | ||
| It's not supposed to just sit there. | ||
| Like, I don't care how you seal it. | ||
| Unless you're drying it out like beef jerky. | ||
| And then even beef jerky has got a shelf life. | ||
| I mean, it lasts as long as it can before bacteria takes it over. | ||
| But it's tissue. | ||
| That's why they would dry it. | ||
| They would dry meat so they can carry it with them on the road. | ||
| But they didn't even plan on it staying forever. | ||
| But it does. | ||
| It stays pretty long, but that's Slim Jims. | ||
| They add a bunch of stuff to those processed ones. | ||
| I had some turkey jerky from somewhere. | ||
| I thought it was whack, but it was pretty good. | ||
| Some turkey jerky. | ||
| I'm not a fan of turkey. | ||
| It's a weird choice for food. | ||
| It's like chicken tastes better. | ||
| Well, for black people, turkey anything feels like you just cleanse yourself. | ||
| Because you eat something good? | ||
| Yeah, you do anything. | ||
| When a black person order their first turkey burger, your first turkey burger, you're like, oh, I didn't even know this part of life existed, son. | ||
| Then you have people competing who makes the best turkey burger. | ||
| A good turkey burger can change your life. | ||
| It could get me on the road of being a vegetarian. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| That's the path I took. | ||
| I started first, I stopped red meat. | ||
| And then I went to actually turkey burgers, turkey pastrami, turkey chopped meat for my spaghetti. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And maybe chicken burgers. | ||
| And then one day I was eating, like when I was younger, I could knock out about 30 chicken wings. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, anybody can do that, right? | ||
| Man, you can't keep pointing at me like that. | ||
| Anybody can knock out. | ||
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What? | |
| 30 chicken wings, right Joe? | ||
| I can knock out 30 chicken wings, 100%. | ||
| Alright, so on the 29th chicken wing, my teeth hit the bone. | ||
| And my mind said, dead bird. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You're in New York City with all these pigeons flying around, and here you are, supposed to be an intelligent human being. | ||
| You're eating on a dead bird. | ||
| And I was like, that sounds pretty stupid to me. | ||
| And I never ate it again. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| It's funny that pigeons were actually brought here for food. | ||
| That's what's even ironic about it. | ||
| Listen, when Mama's fried chicken, Harlem fried chicken, Next Door fried chicken, Brooklyn fried chicken. | ||
| Remember we had the big chicken things in New York? | ||
| It was Crown Fried Chicken. | ||
| Double crowns fried chicken. | ||
| Queens fried chicken. | ||
| And you had to get the hot wings. | ||
| Because the hot wings, they had to make them right on the spot. | ||
| The other drink would be in the window for a long time. | ||
| No matter what you got, all of a sudden, pigeon population... | ||
| I pay attention to this type of shit. | ||
| Pigeon population in New York City dropped down. | ||
| We was doing the movie Ghost Dog. | ||
| We had to get pigeons from Jersey. | ||
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Because... | |
| Remember Ghost Dog? | ||
| Yo, the pigeon population dropped down, bro. | ||
| And I was like, yo, dead bird. | ||
| So I never ate chicken again after that. | ||
| But pigeons are edible. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| It's called squab. | ||
| That's what pigeon is. | ||
| That's the famous British name, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's pigeon. | ||
| On some menus, they just call it pigeon. | ||
| I just want to call it chicken. | ||
| Anything outside chicken, I feel like you'd be calling it anything but chicken. | ||
| Do you know that some birds are actually red meat? | ||
| Like sandhill crane. | ||
| You ever see the sand? | ||
| They call it ribeye in the sky. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| You said it's... | ||
| They eat it? | ||
| No, it's like a red meat. | ||
| The breast is a red meat. | ||
| It looks like a steak. | ||
| From a crane? | ||
| From a crane. | ||
| It's like a bird that flies in the sky. | ||
| Giant ass fucking white bird flies in the sky. | ||
| So this is on a menu? | ||
| Yeah, you could get it on some menus in Texas, I believe, but it's a wild game animal. | ||
| I would try wild game. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| It looks like steak. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It looks like steak. | ||
| That's sous-vide, my friend. | ||
| That's your style. | ||
| Sous-vide. | ||
| You don't know nothing about that. | ||
| You don't know nothing about no sous-vide! | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
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That's the animal. | |
| The crane actually is a good example of relationships. | ||
| You see the crane? | ||
| A crane will fly across the country or the world, whatever, go to the mating place where the other homies are at, meet somebody. | ||
| Fly home and when of age, fly back to marry that dude and stay married for the whole life, kid. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Unless somebody shoot him down and cook him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They stay together. | ||
| They don't try to reproduce for nobody else. | ||
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Nah, man. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| They go back and find each other. | ||
| They go back. | ||
| Oh, but they don't look like they have a good life either, son. | ||
|
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Who? | |
| A crane. | ||
| You ain't never seen a happy-looking crane. | ||
| Son, your cranes look like I was forced into this crane shit. | ||
| You ain't never seen a crane go... | ||
| Like a puppy. | ||
| Well, the one on Kung Fu Panda looked kind of happy to me. | ||
| Yeah, but cranes look like... | ||
| They look like they're looking to be with somebody for that long. | ||
| They want to get shot. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| They just want to be delicious. | ||
| So you said the heart of that thing is red meat? | ||
| No, the breasts. | ||
| That's what those images are? | ||
| Pull that image out? | ||
| That's all Sand Hill Crane breasts. | ||
| Their breast is like a beef. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That on the right, too. | ||
| That don't look bad. | ||
| It looks like a ribeye steak. | ||
|
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It's delicious. | |
| The grill marks? | ||
| George Foreman grill style? | ||
| Grill marks. | ||
| You said grill marks. | ||
| Like George Foreman grill. | ||
| You put grill marks on tofu, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So that's the two breasts. | ||
| Grill marks on tofu. | ||
| They sell tofu with grill marks now. | ||
| Don't tell me that. | ||
| Grill tofu. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Even though I go to vegan restaurants, they'd be like... | ||
| Vegan fish. | ||
| Don't call it vegan fish, homie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not fish. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just food. | ||
| It's temperate or whatever it is. | ||
| If you want to say flavored, like barbecue flavored chips or something like that, you could say flavored, artificially flavored fish. | ||
| But then you know the mind is not going to respond like that. | ||
| They got to do something to the mind that makes it still enticing. | ||
| A guy said, yo, that's vegan fur. | ||
| Ain't no such thing as vegan fur. | ||
| But it's not such thing as vegan fur. | ||
| But if you're a vegan motherfucker, you're going to buy that because you heard the word vegan fur. | ||
| How about vegan leather? | ||
| A real... | ||
| It would work. | ||
| Like that veather? | ||
| It would work. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Vether. | ||
| Vether. | ||
| Like fleather. | ||
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Vether. | |
| Instead of fur. | ||
| Yo, you do know that's going to sell, right? | ||
| How about that ver? | ||
| Like, that's a ver jacket. | ||
| Right, you remember pleather? | ||
| Ver is good. | ||
| Yeah, pleather with plastic leather. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yo, I'm telling you, that shit will blow up. | ||
| Put the V on anything. | ||
| Put the V on it. | ||
| And they're going to buy it. | ||
| They'll buy it. | ||
| Vic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Instead of chicken, you put the V in there. | ||
| Like, wait, how you do? | ||
| That makes it Russian, right? | ||
| You can tell a chick, you want this Vic? | ||
| You want this Vic? | ||
| I put the V in it. | ||
| Take the word vegan and make something else out of it. | ||
| Don't tell me that you're giving me a vegan steak. | ||
| It ain't a steak. | ||
| Homie, steak is a particular part of the animal. | ||
| That's why we call it a steak. | ||
| The ham is a particular part of the animal. | ||
| That's why it's called the ham. | ||
| But I don't think they care about you. | ||
| I don't think they care about you a professional at being a vegan. | ||
| I don't think they care about you as much as the dumb vegan. | ||
| He said I'm a professional. | ||
| I'm an educated vegan. | ||
| They want to draw people in. | ||
| They want the dumb motherfucker. | ||
| They want somebody fresh off of a hamburger. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They don't want you. | ||
| You got years. | ||
| Get them with that Impossible Burger. | ||
| Close enough. | ||
| You like the Impossible Burger? | ||
| I've never had it, but the good... | ||
| If you were trying to trick someone into being a vegan, that would be the way to do it. | ||
| You give them that and go, look, you could just start with this. | ||
| You know, it tastes a lot like a burger. | ||
| You miss burgers. | ||
| Just go to this when you need a burger. | ||
| Have you ever had one? | ||
| No. | ||
| I had one. | ||
| The problem is it's a lot of oils. | ||
| It's very processed. | ||
| I think if you're going to eat vegan, you should eat whole foods. | ||
| Like real foods. | ||
| But they don't want you, Joe. | ||
| They want a motherfucker like me. | ||
| They don't want you. | ||
| See, now he's doing it to himself. | ||
| No, it's the truth. | ||
| He's doing it to himself. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Let me do it to myself. | ||
| Let me do it to myself. | ||
|
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That's exactly what you're accusing him of. | |
| Exactly, but I want to do it to myself. | ||
| You're just defensive, man. | ||
|
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You're just defensive. | |
| Let me do it. | ||
| I was like, me? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I am not going to think about saturated fats. | ||
| I'm not going to think about that shit. | ||
| You know all that. | ||
| Y'all read that shit. | ||
| But if you tell a motherfucker, this burger is impossible because there's no meat in it and it's close to meat. | ||
| It's like even close. | ||
| And I've had that burger. | ||
| And I know it's probably got all the fats you talk about, but for a person that eats meat, and you'll be like this, you keep telling yourself, hold on, nah, that shit tastes like meat. | ||
| Do you know what someone told me? | ||
| It's like a cafeteria, a high school cafeteria burger. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| And you know what, Joe? | ||
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Is that what it was like? | |
| Joe, Joe, guess what? | ||
| That was disgusting to you. | ||
| I wanted that burger so bad, Sam. | ||
| I miss high school cafeteria burgers occasionally. | ||
| The high school burger, that's what it... | ||
| Squirt that ketchup in there, close back that bun. | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| That's what you said. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| It does... | ||
| It does. | ||
| Now that I think about it, it is like a cafeteria junk. | ||
| Well, cafeteria burgers weren't 100% meat, right? | ||
| They had some fillers. | ||
| They make soy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even the early McDonald's burgers make soy. | ||
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Right. | |
| They're just trying to fill you up. | ||
| They're trying to save money and fill you up. | ||
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But it was good. | |
| But another thing that it did for me... | ||
| When I ate the burger, it made me feel good eating a burger that I thought was all plant-based. | ||
| Mentally, I was like, oh shit. | ||
| Damn, I could fuck with that fruit and vegetable, them fruit and vegetable motherfuckers, right? | ||
| But I don't want to go hard-bodied with them. | ||
| I don't want to go in. | ||
| I go to Red's house. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| His wife can pull out one of them motherfucking Impossible Burgers or Beyond Burger. | ||
| Yeah, the Beyond or the Beyond? | ||
| Above and Beyond. | ||
| What's better, the Impossible or the Beyond? | ||
| They're both brands. | ||
| If you don't want to eat meat. | ||
| They're both brands. | ||
| But is it the same thing? | ||
| It's the same concept, but it's different titles. | ||
| What's more delicious? | ||
| Is it one more delicious? | ||
| You got to ask different people. | ||
| Well, let me speak on it. | ||
| The Impossible Burger is only available in restaurants, right? | ||
| So you can't really get it in your crib. | ||
| But the Beyond Burger, you actually can get it home. | ||
| Because the Beyond Burger, they have products. | ||
| They got a line of shit. | ||
| You go to Gelson's, you can get Beyond Sauces, you can get Beyond whatever. | ||
| What do you think about lab-created meats? | ||
| They're on the verge, and they've already created some. | ||
| They're on the verge of being able to mass-produce full meat that has never been in an animal. | ||
| Well, that's weird. | ||
| That's the matrix, baby. | ||
| What is a meat that's never been an animal? | ||
| It's basically they've taken all the building blocks for meat, and they've somehow or another... | ||
| Let's Google how they do it before I butcher the actual explanation. | ||
| I'm sitting here going to make up... | ||
| But that's the Matrix. | ||
| Remember in the Matrix movie? | ||
| He was like, yo... | ||
| Oh, he's eating a steak? | ||
| He's like, I just want to be an important person? | ||
| But it wasn't. | ||
| He was like, it's not a real steak. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Right, but this is a real steak. | ||
| This has all the nutrition of a real steak. | ||
| But it's not a real steak. | ||
| Right, but it is actual flesh. | ||
| It just was never connected to a living organism. | ||
| You mean on paper? | ||
| No, it's actual flesh. | ||
| It has the essential amino acid profile of steak. | ||
| But it has nothing to do with an actual organism. | ||
| Like, it's never been alive. | ||
| It's not like you killed it to make it. | ||
| There's some process by which they are able to create this that I don't understand. | ||
| And we're trying to figure out whether it's cloning or what they're doing. | ||
| Man, if you can understand that process to me... | ||
| Yeah, but they... | ||
| I'm not even... | ||
| You got a good point. | ||
| You got a good point, because we don't know what the fuck is going to happen to people. | ||
| But KFC, Joe, all that shit is, man. | ||
| They doing that shit already. | ||
| Well, think about it this way. | ||
| Not on that level, but they're doing it already. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| This is a different thing. | ||
| This is a different thing. | ||
| What this is is meat without death. | ||
| And I don't know if it's real. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I know it's real in the sense that they've done it. | ||
| But I don't know if they can mass produce it. | ||
| I don't know if it's viable. | ||
| And I don't know where they get it. | ||
| I don't understand how the process starts. | ||
| I'm so motherfucking confused. | ||
| But if you could have it... | ||
| With no ethical, moral, or health consideration. | ||
| If they figure out how to do it, because meat essentially is a bunch of molecules, it's a bunch of particles, it's a bunch of things put together. | ||
| As people get more and more intelligent, and they have more and more control over their environment, they're going to get to a point where they can recreate all life. | ||
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Right. | |
| And meat is a step in that direction. | ||
| But the thing is, how much can you charge for it? | ||
| Well, I don't know, but it's like cell phones. | ||
| Cell phones used to be that Michael Douglas thing on the fucking beach. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| They had a big old brick. | ||
| It was probably a lot of money. | ||
| I had one. | ||
| Now, everybody's got a goddamn phone. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Yeah, but how much would they pay? | ||
| But a shitty phone now, a $200 phone now, is a goddamn world changer 13 years ago. | ||
| You'd freak people the fuck out if you had the cheapest mass-produced Android phone, you brought it to the past, you showed people, they'd freak the fuck out. | ||
| I think that's the same with everything. | ||
| And there's the technology to create viable options for people who are healthier when they eat meat, but don't want to be a part of animal agriculture and slaughter. | ||
| I just heard some study where they said that, like, maybe, this was about three months ago, and it was big about how red meat does not... | ||
| Digest well. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They was reversing it. | ||
| They was basically saying, after all these years well, scientists would figure out... | ||
| It's not bad for you. | ||
| It's not bad for you. | ||
| That was a... | ||
| They go both... | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| Let me get one minute here. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Look, it goes both ways, right? | ||
| First they'll say it's good for you. | ||
| Then they say it's bad for you. | ||
| And then you got an individual say, you know what? | ||
| It's good for me. | ||
| It's bad for her, right? | ||
| But I will say that if there's a way to... | ||
| Create something that will save other lives, yeah, create it. | ||
| That's the evolution of man. | ||
| Man should be able to say, yo, you know what? | ||
| We have to kill all these animals to get a coat. | ||
| Now we don't have to do that. | ||
| We have a formula to make a coat that's going to keep you just as warm, keep you just as serve the purpose and needs, and nothing has to die for it. | ||
| You got to re-educate people then. | ||
| Well, you could do that. | ||
| It's the same way with human work, right? | ||
| Not to go back to historical, right? | ||
| But machines come and replace the mandatoryness of human physical labor in certain industries, right? | ||
| Okay, that's better, right? | ||
| So now you don't have to subjugate somebody to do that. | ||
| It's more cost-effective, right? | ||
| It's more cost-effective. | ||
| It's more humane in all reality, right? | ||
| So we support that. | ||
| But the Catch-22 that we've got to be conscious of in your own lifetime, right? | ||
| If somebody's telling me, like, look, you could do this, and I'm still going to have my, let's say, 70 years on the planet, Then yeah, do it. | ||
| But if I'm doing it and you want to turn my 70 years to 50 years, I don't want to make that bet. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| And I think that's what we watch out for with anything. | ||
| Even with the vegan diet or the Pelotonian diet, all these different things. | ||
| If it's going to enhance your life, that's the biggest equity you got is your time in your life. | ||
| Yeah, then lean towards it. | ||
| But if there's a chance it's gonna... | ||
| Bully. | ||
| Take away your life? | ||
| Bully. | ||
| Bully. | ||
| Bad hustle. | ||
| Bully. | ||
| And you was bullying me. | ||
| Oh, this way? | ||
| Do you know what he just did? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You know what he did do? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I already know. | ||
| I'm saying everything you just said, I agree with. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| But you talk to me like, you already heard this a million times. | ||
| Here he go. | ||
| Fuck these. | ||
| I'm sick of these niggas with this bullshit. | ||
| I'm trying to save this nigga life. | ||
| You don't want me to save this life. | ||
|
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He called it Pelotonian. | |
| That's the wrongest shit. | ||
|
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It's Paleolithic, but we were talking about Joey Diaz calling, what did he call you? | |
| Joey Diaz called me Rondale Darlings. | ||
| He said, this is my dude. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I love this guy. | ||
| We fucking hang around. | ||
| He got a special coming out. | ||
| He said, get up for my homeboy. | ||
| He said, give it up for Rondale Darlings. | ||
| He switched every letter of my name. | ||
| Joey does that with everybody. | ||
| Known for 20 years. | ||
| Yeah, yo, I'm letting you know he got my sister pregnant, but he's here right now. | ||
| And then he hit that shit. | ||
| I was like, thank you. | ||
| You gave me a segue to my next fucking joke. | ||
| But I knew it was out of disrespect. | ||
| It was never that. | ||
| I know what you're saying, though, about diets. | ||
| And here's the thing about diets. | ||
| Everybody's different. | ||
| Everybody's body's different. | ||
| Some people respond better to a vegan diet than others. | ||
| Some people respond better to a carnivore diet than others. | ||
| Everybody's got a different... | ||
| Like we were talking earlier about people being allergic to peanuts. | ||
| People have to make adjustments. | ||
| There's some people that are allergic to certain green vegetables. | ||
| There's some people that have weird reactions to kale and all kinds of other things with oxalates in them, spinach. | ||
| And for some reason, man, I hate motherfuckers that are allergic to healthy shit. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I was like, how are you allergic to beans? | ||
| One of my friends told me one time, Joe, he said, yo, I'm allergic to pretty much all salads. | ||
| I'm like, that's the first segue into being healthy, is ordering a motherfucking salad. | ||
| How are people allergic to beans? | ||
| Basically, he was saying, I'm allergic to vegetables. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Some people are, though. | ||
| Some girls are allergic to cum. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| How did I know that? | ||
| Some girls are allergic to jizz. | ||
| They're allergic to their man's cum. | ||
| Inside their vagina? | ||
| All over the place. | ||
| No matter where it goes. | ||
| You can carve your name on their belly. | ||
| They start breaking out or something or they start wet. | ||
| They get red. | ||
| It fucking sucks. | ||
| There was one girl told me that she don't like water. | ||
| I can only drink 7-Up. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| 7-Up. | ||
| I don't like water. | ||
| She don't drink water. | ||
| But did she not like it because it makes her feel bad? | ||
| Or did she not like it because she prefers flavor? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That's a good point because some people like water. | ||
| Some people like this. | ||
| I don't like water. | ||
| Some people like I don't like water. | ||
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Why? | |
| Because it tastes like water. | ||
| Some people like I don't like water because it don't taste like sugar or anything is in it. | ||
| Let me tell you something, man. | ||
| I do hot yoga. | ||
| I do it a couple days a week. | ||
| I do 90-minute classes, and water is delicious. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| When you are sweating, and it's 105 degrees in that room, you're holding these poses, and sweat is dripping off your forehead, and you got a 64-ounce jug filled with ice and water. | ||
| You want that water. | ||
| It could be a Diet Coke or a fucking glass of milk. | ||
| I wouldn't touch those things. | ||
| I'd go right for that water when I'm dying. | ||
| I'm from an era, Joe. | ||
| I'm from an era. | ||
| I remember... | ||
| It going from... | ||
| Only time you got water was at a water fountain, water faucet, water hose. | ||
| Yeah, nobody had bottled water. | ||
| And when they started... | ||
| My mother thought it was the devil. | ||
| When they started charging motherfuckers for water... | ||
| That was the devil. | ||
| Yo, listen. | ||
| When they started charging people for water, my mother was like... | ||
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No. | |
| Ain't no. | ||
| I could go right home and get water. | ||
| And I saw it go from charging like at McDonald's, like extra for water. | ||
| I saw it change from that to bottling and having a tag saying 99 cents for a bottle of water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you're paying for the bottle, though. | ||
| Not the water. | ||
| But whatever it is. | ||
| We've got to stop having bottled water in the studio. | ||
| So many people have complained and they're all right. | ||
| Everyone's right. | ||
| I listen to the complain. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've got other things to think about. | ||
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But do I? What can we figure out? | |
| What can we do about that? | ||
| After we're done producing Donnell's podcast, can we figure out a bottle of water? | ||
| This is just to bring the conundrum into a good full place. | ||
| Conundrum. | ||
| I fell back off of that. | ||
| Washing everybody's cup every time is going to waste more water potentially than... | ||
| This. | ||
| He's talking about wasting the water. | ||
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This guy works for Dick Cheney. | |
| What would we put that in? | ||
| How many containers do I need to have for cups and stuff? | ||
| I'm thinking like a glass bottle. | ||
| For every person that comes in? | ||
| Is that bad? | ||
| How many do I need? | ||
| I mean, we clean them. | ||
| Clean them after every show. | ||
| We have a giant jug. | ||
| We fill up a glass bottle. | ||
| So is that important to people? | ||
| What about if people know you're recycling? | ||
| Does that make a difference? | ||
| It makes me feel like a better person. | ||
| If they know you're recycling? | ||
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No. | |
| What makes me feel like a better person is if they think I'm a better person. | ||
| I'm like, I'm tricking them again. | ||
| Some people are just never going to give a fuck about plastic. | ||
| I'm one of them motherfuckers. | ||
| Let me get a punchline in here. | ||
| I'm just telling the truth, bro. | ||
| I'm like, you can do, you can bury shit, you can show me the animals, the turtles, whatever. | ||
| I'm just not going to give a fuck about plastic. | ||
| I want to go back to the hot yoga. | ||
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I love it. | |
| I did it today, 90 minutes. | ||
| The reason why I want to go back to that, because the idea of how water tastes, right? | ||
| And I want to, this goes back to, let me look this way. | ||
| Who's this guy here? | ||
| Oh, that's Brody Stevens. | ||
| What's up, bro? | ||
| He killed himself. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Great dude. | ||
| Now, I mean, I'm going to say that. | ||
| That's the only thing we know him by. | ||
| Everybody loves him. | ||
| One of the rare dudes that everybody loves. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Rare dude that everybody loves. | ||
| Respect. | ||
| Everybody loves. | ||
| And the only reason I said that in case, you know, I don't know. | ||
| I know you said you was going to do comedy, but I didn't know if he was going to crack a joke, so I just want to let you know, if you crack the joke, that dude killed himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not disrespecting my love deal. | ||
| No, no, no, that's beautiful. | ||
| Because I don't know how hard you go. | ||
| I don't know how hard you go. | ||
| So I was like this. | ||
| Before you just start beating it up. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Have some information. | ||
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I get it. | |
| I was going back to the idea of water tasting good, right? | ||
| And as well as... | ||
| Any type of food and drink, right? | ||
| All that tastes better after hard work. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So after you're doing your hot yoga and you're sweaty and you put that hard work in, now you understand, you appreciate the water. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So what I teach my children, right, is hard work. | ||
| When Adam, when the most hard told Adam, he said, man shall work to the sweat of his brow. | ||
| Now, Right. | ||
| But if you ain't working out or doing something physical to make your body physically yearn the reward of working out, which is the nutrients that you have to replenish after you have burned them out, you know what I mean? | ||
| Then you are not going to ever taste water. | ||
| You ain't going to be able to bite into a piece of celery. | ||
| And feel it. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| I know you don't think I respect celery. | ||
| - You don't think I'm saying. | ||
| - Yeah, I'm saying. - No, but Joe, I'm telling you, sir. | ||
| What you just said, I know that's the only thing that you gonna get that burst. | ||
| It is nothing like you get some celery that got that motherfucking pop with no string or nothing attached to it, just a clear bite. | ||
| So I know you, and I know you looked at me again, but the water that's inside celery, I know you don't think I respect it. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| Do you like celery with peanut butter? | ||
| I like celery with anything. | ||
| Celery with peanut butter. | ||
| I could just eat it. | ||
| I could just eat celery. | ||
| I like celery with peanut butter, like celery with hummus. | ||
| You don't know how good a peach tastes until you work out. | ||
| But you gotta get the right celery. | ||
| If you lift weights and then you eat a peach, a juicy cold peach, you bite into that fucking thing. | ||
| And this is not a sexual reference. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| A real peach fruit. | ||
| You said it. | ||
| You said you gotta... | ||
| Do something in your life to appreciate it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some people, there's drinking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like you. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| Like you? | ||
| Right now? | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| No, I'm not saying right now. | ||
| I'm not going to do this with you. | ||
| I'm not doing this. | ||
| We're both drinking. | ||
| We're both drinking. | ||
| I'm drinking too. | ||
| Something has to... | ||
| Like, you've been drinking. | ||
| Like, the best time you appreciate water is at night after heavy drinking. | ||
| Like, you've been, your palates and everything's been industrial to alcohol, alcohol. | ||
| You had that feeling where you had some drinks one night, the next day you drank some ice cold water, and you're like, God damn, who the fuck invented this? | ||
| Simple. | ||
| It's simple. | ||
| It's the same thing, right? | ||
| You need it. | ||
| Your body need it. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, you need it. | ||
| But your body was like... | ||
| Asking for it. | ||
| Asking for it. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But when you're drunk and you're drinking that water, you feel like an asshole. | ||
| You're like, God, what the fuck can I do with my body? | ||
| I'm so dehydrated. | ||
| But even drinking... | ||
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Only a person can appreciate drinking... | |
| Only a person can appreciate water when they drink it is a professional drinker. | ||
| Because in their mind, they'll be like this. | ||
| I can do this with one glass of water. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The average motherfucker that's drinking, they ain't giving a fuck about that ratio. | ||
| A buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme back in the day. | ||
| Professional? | ||
| Jean-Claude Van Damme was a pro. | ||
| He said he would have a drink and he brought a gallon of water with him. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| A gallon. | ||
| So he would have a drink and then get a big fucking chug of water. | ||
| That's the only way he rolled. | ||
| Just kept running to the bathroom, taking a piss and coming back. | ||
| When he drank, he drank with a gallon of water and whatever the fuck he was throwing down. | ||
| That's a professional. | ||
| Glug, glug, glug, glug. | ||
| Not to talk about... | ||
| I'm actually probably in the top Ten master drinkers. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Now, if you ever really want to get a crazy night of drinking and see if you can hang-hang... | ||
| Donnell just put his glass down and adjust his headphones. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, I don't even want to do this. | ||
| I don't really want to do this. | ||
| I'm definitely... | ||
| But, you know, so that's a challenge. | ||
| Anybody who ever catch me on the right day want to challenge me. | ||
| But my brother Devon said something that was really cool about drinking and smoking and everything, right? | ||
| Because at one point, you know, on hip-hop... | ||
| And I'm abusing it, right? | ||
| I'm just, you know, just whatever, yo. | ||
| Bong, bong, bong, bong, bong. | ||
| And he says, listen, God. | ||
| He said, listen, man. | ||
| Y'all getting high. | ||
| Y'all drinking for nothing. | ||
| No celebration? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said you drink after you complete something and then you celebrate. | ||
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Nigga! | |
| Yo, seriously. | ||
| Yo, did I say it though, son? | ||
| You said it. | ||
| You knew it. | ||
| No celebration, son. | ||
| We can't just do this on a Wednesday, nigga. | ||
| We can't just do this on a Wednesday. | ||
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Nah, nah. | |
| That's right, son. | ||
| And he said that. | ||
| I took that into consideration. | ||
| And I strive... | ||
| To give myself a reason. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| A reason to celebrate. | ||
| Yeah, a reason to celebrate. | ||
| That's a beautiful philosophy for life. | ||
| Give yourself a reason to celebrate. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Yo, you too early. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You too early. | ||
| Yo, you too early. | ||
| What are you celebrating? | ||
| Can we celebrate this? | ||
| So many people that are a fan of yours spill over to fans of mine. | ||
| And I get so many tweets saying, when are you going to go on the Joe Rogan show? | ||
| Let's celebrate that. | ||
| And that's what we're celebrating today. | ||
| I mean, I've been hearing about you, reading about you, listening to you with my friends and my peers for some years now. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| This is your first time on the show? | ||
| My first time. | ||
| But listen, to me, that's an honor. | ||
| Because to me, I've been listening to your music forever. | ||
| And so I appreciate you guys tremendously. | ||
| I respect you. | ||
| Spit 16, though, son. | ||
| I can't spit. | ||
| But I will tell you that your collaboration with Rage Against the Machine, Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the greatest collaboration in all of rap rock. | ||
| Look, second place may be Run DMC and Aerosmith, but to me, my generation, Rage Against the Machine, and Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the ultimate workout. | ||
| Can I have a Wu-Tang? | ||
| Can I have one Wu-Tang question? | ||
| That fucking song, man, if you're doing deadlifts and that song, Wu-Tang, Tiger Style, you're like fucking, and you hear Tom Morello's guitar, you're like, rawr! | ||
| You're ready to lift. | ||
| I got one Wu-Tang question. | ||
| Was Wu-Tang... | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I like the way you start the quest of this shit. | ||
| You did me, nigga. | ||
| You did like this. | ||
| And you syllabued that shit. | ||
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Yes, I did. | |
| Was... | ||
| Yo, look, listen. | ||
| Okay, okay, go. | ||
|
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Sorry, sorry. | |
| How the fuck with you? | ||
|
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Good. | |
| Okay, let me say. | ||
| Was Wu-Tang the vision... | ||
| In the design of Wu-Tang, was it designed to fall apart? | ||
| And when I say fall apart, was it designed where a group of individuals that were getting their equal due respect needed a bigger platform so everybody see them at one time? | ||
| What he's saying is, you were also talented, but together you were bigger. | ||
| Were you designed to elevate the profile of all the members? | ||
| And the reason why I say this, years ago, years ago, years ago, years ago, I had a sketch group years ago. | ||
| Years ago I had a sketch group. | ||
| It was 12 motherfuckers. | ||
| Everybody had different personalities. | ||
| Everybody was dope. | ||
| Everybody could be a star, they're different writers, whatever, but nobody had the plan to get the people to see that everybody is nice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would say this, right? | ||
| Wu-Tang was designed to come together for a common cause, right? | ||
| And that cause, of course, being to express our art, to rise ourselves out of poverty, and to feed our families. | ||
| So that was a foundation. | ||
| But it's not designed to fall apart. | ||
| In fact, Wu-Tang, that's why on our second album, it's called Wu-Tang Forever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Meaning no matter what we do, no matter if I go make movies or Method Man make movies or you go and write books. | ||
| You come back together. | ||
| Yeah, we always got to come back together because Wu-Tang is forever. | ||
| But hold on, let me finish the last thing. | ||
| But now to put us all on the same, like to expose it all to the world through one outlet, yes. | ||
| It had to be that. | ||
| It had to be that. | ||
| Yeah, it had to be that. | ||
| It had to be that. | ||
| And the reason why I said it because when I had my sketch group, I had my sketch group years ago. | ||
| It was called Secret Society when I was doing it. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I had this manager and she came. | ||
| This was before the Dave Chappelle show. | ||
| It was this thing. | ||
| I was like, I'm going to do these jokes on my plate. | ||
| I've been watching you, bro. | ||
| Look, and then I said, one of the managers I was working with, she was like, the name of my group was Secret Society. | ||
| She said, I had Mike Epps, I had Mark Thiel, I had Red Grant, I had some bad motherfuckers. | ||
| And she said, Donnell, I think Secret Society is falling apart. | ||
| I said, nigga, it was supposed to fall apart. | ||
| It was supposed to fall apart. | ||
| But would it fall? | ||
| Would it fall? | ||
| Does it land somewhere you could grow something else? | ||
| Like, I knew it was only three people that were going to be stars. | ||
| But it was four other people that were going to be writers. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It was two other motherfuckers that was going to be... | ||
| It was different shit, but we needed that. | ||
| Okay, I got you there. | ||
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You know what I'm saying? | |
| So fall apart, that word, when you said fall apart... | ||
| I didn't mean it in the next way. | ||
| I meant like... | ||
| You meant more like spread his wings. | ||
| Spread his wings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like even though like when I said that I mean it like even though like everybody for the most part everybody wanted to be a superstar. | ||
| Everybody had the chops. | ||
| Everybody wasn't a superstar. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's proven to this day some people's like this. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| This motherfucker wrote on eight different shows. | ||
| We won. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This dude is touring in Europe. | ||
| We won. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It was like, when I say fall apart, it was like, it was going to go there, and then it was just going to be like, it fall like this. | ||
| Yo, it was good. | ||
| We all got it. | ||
| That they're strong enough that they could exist independently. | ||
| In different areas. | ||
| But always come back together if they want to. | ||
| That's why we called ourselves, we was like Wu-Tang forums like Voltron. | ||
| So you watch Voltron, each of the lions can fuck some shit up. | ||
| But when you need the blazing sword, everybody got to come together and form Voltron. | ||
| So we took that philosophy and we knew that within all of our crew that any one of us... | ||
| First of all, Wu-Tang is a bunch of alphas. | ||
| It wasn't like... | ||
| It wasn't no sucker dude. | ||
| Nobody in Wu-Tang got genes that fit but you. | ||
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You the only one that got the jeans that's the size of you, son. | |
| I'm saying. | ||
| Niggas is 32, 38, son. | ||
| All day, son. | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| I got jeans that fit. | ||
| I've been saying. | ||
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But it's true. | |
| It's right. | ||
| It's true, though, son. | ||
| Everybody knows it. | ||
| Be like... | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| You already know this. | ||
| You know, Ghost, that nigga weighs a 32. He's like 42s all day. | ||
| And double up on his belt. | ||
| The 90s baggie, right? | ||
| Yes, yo. | ||
| That's my nigga. | ||
| Yo, you know, back in those days, man, you may have on three pair of pants. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the summer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But the main thing is that to be able to, you know what I mean, to have the alpha energy, right? | ||
| And then come to us and to an industry that was lacking that alpha energy. | ||
| I was in New York. | ||
| Well, you had mystical philosophy behind it too. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| But that was the thing about it is like Wu-Tang was inexorably connected to Kung Fu. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the Wu. | ||
| Yes, the ancient Chinese Kung Fu philosophy was a part of the music, man. | ||
| There was a thing about you guys that you were spiritual. | ||
| There was an intelligence. | ||
| And then, of course, you had ODB, who was off the rails. | ||
| What was beautiful about it is that you... | ||
| You guys all existed together. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And even though you had this sort of spiritual kung fu kind of energy to it, you also had people just off the rails partying, getting wild as fuck. | ||
| Yo, they had New York on fire. | ||
| Niggas used to have Fucking Wu-Tang sightings And there wasn't even No Wu person in there They just be like Who was there That was Wu-Wu Like oh shit I heard Wu-Wu was up there Like that Like I don't know If there's ever been a group That you could just Mention That anybody From Wu-Tang was there It was a whole bunch of not Wu-Tang motherfuckers getting a lot of pussy. | ||
| And still do. | ||
| Yo, it's to this day, son. | ||
| It's to this day. | ||
| And yo, there was a guy... | ||
| Yo, there was... | ||
| It's the truth, Joe. | ||
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It's the truth, son. | |
| There's a guy that went on tour... | ||
| I'm expecting Asian. | ||
| Like, oh, shit. | ||
| They can suck my dick. | ||
| We were all day. | ||
| And yo, there's a guy who went on... | ||
| He's stupid. | ||
| Have I told you the truth, son? | ||
| Yo. | ||
| There was a guy who went on tour... | ||
| Yo, check it out. | ||
| A guy who went on tour as the fake Cappadonna. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He didn't get caught till he got about 70 grand or something like that. | ||
| Where was that? | ||
| In Baltimore? | ||
| Atlanta, boy. | ||
| He just did a tour. | ||
| He just went out. | ||
| Because so many of us, you might not know how a motherfucker look. | ||
| You ain't going to know. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're not going to know when they start getting in. | ||
| And then you think about this. | ||
| This is how Wu is so dope. | ||
| You think about that. | ||
| Wu got kids. | ||
| Wu got kids. | ||
| We at the point now. | ||
| I'm old school. | ||
| Wu kids starting to have kids. | ||
| So it's baby woos! | ||
| It's everywhere! | ||
| But some people took advantage of it. | ||
| Well, the most beautiful thing though, that's the beauty of art, creativity, and being the spiritual aspect, the alpha aspect, all these aspects multiplied us to be a unique version of the American dream. | ||
| And when you look at, you know, we did the documentary of Mikes and Men on Showtime, and you can see that it's more like, it's like the lotus leaf grows out of mud, right? | ||
| But it's a symbol of Buddhism, which is all this peace and beauty, but it grows out of mud. | ||
| So we're like that which grew out of the mud. | ||
| And then when you go and watch our Hulu series, The American Saga, right? | ||
| You get to see, like, this... | ||
| Group of men weren't always on the same page, wasn't always trans with each other. | ||
| And I think the biggest thing that I learned by putting the TV show on Hulu is that there's other kids across America in a similar situation. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Right? | ||
| So there's a scene where... | ||
| It's the soundtrack to life. | ||
| Right, but not just that. | ||
| I'm talking about like... | ||
| But there's other kids that are hearing this, that they can resonate. | ||
| This makes sense to them. | ||
| Or living it, right? | ||
| So to get my first drum machine, I had to, you know, get it by illegal means, right? | ||
| And think about how many... | ||
| But think about how many people need something to do something but don't have the means to get it. | ||
| And some may cross the line. | ||
| At the end of the day, the way I really got my equipment, I definitely try to do any way to get it, but I didn't get it by stealing it. | ||
| I had the hustle. | ||
| But you wanted it, though. | ||
| You didn't just want to get it for saying, I got it. | ||
| You wanted it because you wanted to do something with it. | ||
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I wanted to use it. | |
| Right, exactly. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| I sold apples, oranges, newspapers, socks. | ||
| I'm one of those socks, guys. | ||
| Have you been to New York back in the days? | ||
| Socks. | ||
| Nipsey Hussle was a socks motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, you see dudes walking around selling socks. | ||
| He was a sock motherfucker. | ||
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No, seriously. | |
| You buy him? | ||
| That's the way you said it. | ||
| Yeah, he was. | ||
| I wanted to say he was a sock nigga. | ||
|
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I didn't say that. | |
| Riz was a sock nigga. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| Yo, socks. | ||
| Yo, whatever. | ||
| Because you bomb down on 25th Street. | ||
| You get maybe, you can get a dozen for $30, right? | ||
| And then you can sell them at $10 a pack. | ||
| So you get a dozen packs for $30 with six in a pack. | ||
| You go uptown, right? | ||
| And you sell them for $10 just for the whole pack of socks. | ||
| But you gotta find a neighborhood that needs socks. | ||
| You just can't go in a neighborhood that got a lot of socks. | ||
| But anybody... | ||
| You can't, sir. | ||
| But most people... | ||
| You can't go to a sock and fix the neighborhood. | ||
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Sock and fix the neighborhood. | |
| You can't do it, sir. | ||
| You can't do it, sir. | ||
| Sock and fix the neighborhood. | ||
| But the opposite is this. | ||
| So usually... | ||
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He's stupid, yo. | |
| Usually uptown, right? | ||
| Usually people go uptown to buy their clothes, high-end clothes. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You go uptown to get... | ||
| No, you get drugs from uptown. | ||
| Oh, drugs. | ||
| Like, I could get $100 worth of drugs uptown, bring it back downtown, sell it for $200. | ||
| Yeah, it's just saying, like, in the heart of uptown, they had the best rates on any drug you ever needed. | ||
| So you could buy drugs? | ||
| Like, you could buy an ounce uptown. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And sell it downtown, or even take it back to Staten Island, you're gonna triple your money. | ||
| Triple. | ||
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Easy. | |
| Easy. | ||
| So Staten Island's three. | ||
| You can easily triple your money. | ||
| Like the Village is two? | ||
| Yeah, like that. | ||
| If you go out of state, you may five times it. | ||
| And that's when all the New York motherfuckers was coming down to D.C. and Virginia. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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But socks, you buy downtown. | |
| And take it uptown because the drug dealers are fly. | ||
| They got to have clean socks. | ||
| They got to have clean socks all day. | ||
| So now they're buying the socks for $10 that you paid $5 for. | ||
| That was my hustle. | ||
| Do you remember in New York when they had movies? | ||
| Remember they had VHS tapes where people would sit in the back of the movie theater and film the movie and make a VHS? They'd set up a camcorder, film it. | ||
| That was the worst. | ||
| The worst bootlegging shit ever. | ||
| The sound was so terrible. | ||
| But then that's the same time. | ||
| That's when VCR just came in, so it didn't matter the quality, you just had to have something to put in the fucking new technology. | ||
| You know what art form or whatever supports new technology, always deal with? | ||
| porno. | ||
| Whenever, when your son, it's true. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| What I'm saying is, whenever there's a new, whether it's from beta to VHS to CD, it's porno that gets people to explore the new technology. | ||
| They paved the way. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, because there's so many people that are jerking off. | ||
| It's an unsatisfiable quantity. | ||
| You always can count on them. | ||
| People are always going to jerk off to porn. | ||
| So how do you get it to them quicker? | ||
| How do you get it to them where you can make some money? | ||
| It went from rewinding to CD to a leak to... | ||
| Now all you need is tag words. | ||
| The only thing that's been explained to me though, the way we think about people stealing music or people stealing comedy, they think about stealing porn. | ||
| So if you go to certain sites where it's just free and you just watch porn, apparently the people that make it, they don't get a piece of that. | ||
| So someone's making a ton of money and the other people are stealing. | ||
| So you're saying if we make... | ||
| You can't negotiate too much if your pussy's wide open. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| I'm just saying, so it's like... | ||
| I know, like, this is not why we're doing your rights. | ||
| Yo, you can't be... | ||
| Like, you need to get somebody in between you making your argument. | ||
| I see what you're saying, but, I mean, isn't it... | ||
| It's a commodity. | ||
| It's a thing. | ||
| Just like a joke. | ||
| Poetry commodity? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| In a way. | ||
| I mean, if you create something. | ||
| If it's legal, and you hire a cameraman, you pay an actor, you pay an actress, you let him fuck, you give him a certain amount, you film it, and then that's yours. | ||
| And then someone takes that and then they put it up on their website and then you could watch it for free and they sell advertising space and they make money off something that they didn't buy. | ||
| They didn't buy it at all. | ||
| That's infringing. | ||
| Yeah, it's no different than if they downloaded a Wu-Tang album and then they started selling it. | ||
| They put it on a website and then put ads connected to that Wu-Tang album. | ||
| So then that means they need to get better lawyers, negotiate better stories, better contracts. | ||
| What happened to you guys with that one album, that drug pharmacy dude, Martin, what's his name? | ||
| Martin Scarelli. | ||
| Scarelli. | ||
| He actually got a hold... | ||
| Of one of your albums that's an unreleased Wu-Tang album. | ||
| I heard it was two of them. | ||
| The street said it was two. | ||
| What's the reality? | ||
| We have the man. | ||
| That was smart. | ||
| The reality of it is that it's now sitting in a temperature control room in the Department of Justice. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's his? | ||
| He owns it still? | ||
| Well, he's incarcerated right now. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so I think a lot of his assets have been seized by the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And include in that album. | ||
| So those songs have never been released? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Who the fuck figures out a way to make music into art? | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But is that beautiful or what? | ||
| That guy's gotta be broke. | ||
| Is there a way I could buy that off of him? | ||
| For real. | ||
| How dope would that look right here? | ||
| How dope would that look? | ||
| It'd be beautiful right here. | ||
| But I would release that online. | ||
| Or release it with you. | ||
| I'll buy it. | ||
| You made for free though. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Whatever you want. | ||
| But sitting there makes no sense to me. | ||
| And that box looks dope. | ||
| And I know that guy's in jail. | ||
| You figure out a way to make music art. | ||
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You get out, Martin. | |
| Holla at your boy. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| That's the phrase. | ||
| Wouldn't that be dope right here though? | ||
| It would. | ||
| I'll tell you one thing. | ||
| I did have a conversation with a gentleman, right? | ||
| With Martin? | ||
| Yeah, I said, listen, yo. | ||
| Because he had a lot of bad things going on for him. | ||
| I said, yo, if I was you, I would take this chance to do philanthropy. | ||
| And I would give this away to the public. | ||
| If I was him. | ||
| Based on how much he had talking from the public. | ||
| Like we talked about earlier, he wasn't a nice person. | ||
| He didn't want to give the impression that he was a nice person. | ||
| He wanted to be, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| And what you said was he was having too much fun, son. | ||
| It was just too much. | ||
| Like, whatever, bitch. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| I got this. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I don't think he understood consequences. | ||
| I think he was doing that. | ||
| No, of course he didn't. | ||
| He thought, look, he's a kid. | ||
| Wasn't he born into money? | ||
| No. | ||
| Where'd he make his money? | ||
| No, he made his money in the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| Yeah, he was immigrant parents who was like janitors. | ||
| But he wasn't born to this company? | ||
| No. | ||
| So he was a part of the company? | ||
| He was part of the company, but I think one thing that he had, he had tenacity more than anything. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Very smart dude. | ||
| But he probably never experienced a public eye like he did with this whole pharmaceutical crisis where he's overcharging for, was it AIDS medication? | ||
| No, I think he probably did, but I think that his point, he wanted to be known as that guy. | ||
| He was a smart dude. | ||
| He wanted to be known as that guy. | ||
| He didn't mind being a supervillain, let's put it that way. | ||
| More than Lex Luthor. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He didn't want to be on the low making money. | ||
| He tried to be on the podcast. | ||
| He did? | ||
| He reached out to me. | ||
| Oh, that would have been interesting. | ||
| But I did tell him, I mean, me, I'm the type of person, I'm always going to try to say some advice in a positive form. | ||
| That's just my personality. | ||
| I'm like, listen, bro. | ||
| They're talking shit about you in the world. | ||
| It don't look good for you. | ||
| Wu-Tang is good. | ||
| Wu-Tang forever? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I say, if I was you, I'll take this opportunity to do something good. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| How about this? | ||
| Maybe he sells me the box and then we release the music. | ||
| I'll buy the whole thing from him and then we'll release it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| If he's got it, he wants to sell it. | ||
| If that dude's got it, he wants to sell it. | ||
| The weird thing for me, I don't think there's ever... | ||
| He's locked up. | ||
| For how long, though? | ||
| He's just lost his appeal, so... | ||
| Oh. | ||
| The thing... | ||
| Can you sell shit while you're in jail? | ||
| You play Monopoly? | ||
| When I play Monopoly, don't you do that? | ||
| Yo, I just think like this. | ||
| I think like this. | ||
| Do you do that? | ||
| When you play Monopoly, and you're in jail, it's your turn. | ||
| Do you still be like, I want a house? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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It drives me crazy. | |
| I do that. | ||
| How many songs? | ||
| Like 25 songs. | ||
| That is ridiculous. | ||
| I think, me personally... | ||
| That needs to be released. | ||
| I think, I don't, my personal opinion, nobody in the history of music has been able to make an idea or a song that's never heard art. | ||
| Art! | ||
| Like, to be quite honest, there might not even be no motherfuckin' songs in there. | ||
| Don't you think he listens? | ||
| Don't you think he knows? | ||
| No, I'm not saying that. | ||
| What I'm saying is, the point I'm making is, it's more valuable, never being heard, never being cracked, than released. | ||
| You release it, then you set it up for people to be critical of it, kind of give their opinion. | ||
| The opinion is, there was something so dope that we could just break it down to one thing. | ||
| What was the thought process behind that? | ||
| From my point of view, music was being devalued. | ||
| Through streaming services? | ||
| By society, right? | ||
| How so? | ||
| Through streaming, of course. | ||
| Illegal downloads? | ||
| Illegal downloads. | ||
| Let's talk a little bit of business. | ||
| I won't go too deep. | ||
| I'll give you two minutes of business. | ||
| Let's just take Napster, who's the founder of this type of technology. | ||
| And he takes millions of songs and gives them away. | ||
| And now people are getting all these songs for free. | ||
| Now the music industry, like any other industry, has a certain quota of business it does every year. | ||
| Like every other industry, right? | ||
| Whether it's $4 billion a year or $5 billion a year, it's an industry of a group of people and that's their yearly quota. | ||
| So if Napster comes, right, and he takes all these songs where all these people who are waiting for their publishing checks, waiting for their economics to be created from music, now there's no publishing check. | ||
| All the numbers are now decreased because there's no physical sale of your music for us to accumulate a value to send you a check. | ||
| But then at the end of the day, after he does that... | ||
| He gets a billion dollars. | ||
| So now you're talking what belongs to, let's say there's a thousand artists that's worth value as far as, you know, that sell records that you could, say, accumulate money, right? | ||
| So we took the power of a thousand and put it in one man's hand, okay? | ||
| So that's one of the first mistakes as an industry we make. | ||
| And then the second mistake we make is that now there's services going and there's illegal downloads I think? | ||
| And you're using it for music. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| What's the best way? | ||
| Without your headphones, without music, your headphones is useless. | ||
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Right. | |
| So why would you not pay the 10, 20 hours for the music? | ||
| Because they don't have to, right? | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Because they can get it some other way. | ||
| But let me ask you this. | ||
| What is the best way to support artists? | ||
| What's the best way to buy it? | ||
| Well, the best way to buy it now. | ||
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Music? | |
| No. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Oh, no, no, now. | ||
| Your music. | ||
| Wu-Tang Clan, anybody's music. | ||
| What's the best way that you get the most out of it? | ||
| Well, the best way in the past was physical, but now the industry has figured out how to monetize the digital streaming. | ||
| So now, things are starting to rebalance. | ||
| But during this period of time, maybe within the last three, four years, it's starting to rebalance. | ||
| But you look at from 2000 to 2015, there's a total unbalance. | ||
| And a lot of artists have to stop making music because there's no economics in it. | ||
| Now, a group like the Wu-Tang Clan, right? | ||
| So let's just say... | ||
| Let's just say the average verse for a woo rapper, you know, let's say, yo, let me get 16. He might be like, yo, yeah, son. | ||
| Tell him, he don't know what 16 is, tell him. | ||
| Yeah, 16. I didn't know. | ||
| Let's say, yo, throw me 20 cents for that. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| 20,000, Joe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So now let's just say he got 10 verses on this album. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Let's say every other room member do the same. | ||
| So to get an album made, it may cost a million dollars. | ||
| A studio session is up to, let's say at the cheapest level, 100 bucks an hour. | ||
| You do a 12-hour block out. | ||
| That's another grand a day just to get into the studio. | ||
| Then you got your engineer. | ||
| So it costs money to create music, right? | ||
| But now you get all this done, and you want to sell it, and the world just takes it for free. | ||
| So now you can't recreate again. | ||
| Now even though the tools have gotten easier now, and you can do a lot with your laptop and all that, even a laptop is 2Gs, bro. | ||
| Even the download just... | ||
| Logic, right? | ||
| Which everybody used. | ||
| $200, man. | ||
| And so, you need a... | ||
| So, it's merchandise and brand now. | ||
| It's merchandise and brand. | ||
| It's merchandise and being able to take the idea of that brand and make it more money. | ||
| But if you're a fan, what's the best way to support you? | ||
| What's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan? | ||
| What's the best way to support... | ||
| Is it Apple Music? | ||
| What is the The best way? | ||
| iTunes? | ||
| No, now everything is found this way. | ||
| Otherwise, if you could stream it... | ||
| Streaming's good. | ||
| Yeah, you could stream it. | ||
| Spotify's good. | ||
| Spotify's good. | ||
| You could download it directly to your phone. | ||
| But if you're going to give directions to fans, like what's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan? | ||
| What's the best way to accumulate music, acquire music? | ||
| I mean, if I just put it in... | ||
| They're all good now? | ||
| Like streaming? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's balanced. | ||
| Let me just say this. | ||
| iTunes? | ||
| Amazon? | ||
| Look, music is... | ||
| The second thing, the catch-22 here, Joe, is this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, music is also made to be heard. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, while at one point I tried to prove a point by saying, look, I'm going to put a value on it so you know there's a value to it because there's a value to me. | ||
| But then on the other point, right, I put another album out called A Better Tomorrow, which is like, yo, do what you want with that. | ||
| You know how I come? | ||
| Because I don't make music for me to listen to. | ||
| I make it for the world to listen to it at the same time. | ||
| So, the best way to support your artist is just by listening to the music. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| So this is good though. | ||
| This is because I've always wanted to know this because I've always been like, what do I do? | ||
| Do I do iTunes? | ||
| Do I do Amazon? | ||
| Where do you get the most money back from? | ||
| Yeah, I think the system has found a way to balance itself. | ||
| Okay, so it's okay now. | ||
| Yeah, so Spotify is good. | ||
| Streaming. | ||
| I think even Taylor Swift is thinking about coming over to the streaming thing. | ||
| That dirty girl. | ||
| Everybody's going to come to the streaming show. | ||
| Yeah, because that's the way to listen now. | ||
| As long as she gets a good deal, right? | ||
| The only thing, like you said, just the whole thing at the end of the day is play fair. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, you know what? | ||
| You can say, I don't want this streaming service, but somebody has to have a platform for people to even come check for you. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| But the other thing is, fans need to know. | ||
| Fans need to know. | ||
| If I'm a fan and $14 is not too much money for me to spend, I need to know where to spend it. | ||
| If there's one place you could tell me, that's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan. | ||
| If I was a fan and I had the money to spend, I would buy the vinyl. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's tangible. | ||
| Yo, it's so funny because that makes sense. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's tangible. | ||
| Yeah, it's tangible. | ||
| I'm spending money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You get a physical object. | ||
| Yeah, physical for physical. | ||
| Especially a record. | ||
| Like, you buy the vinyl. | ||
| Yo, that's so funny that you said that because I know people of certain... | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| It's like this. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| They want audio rights to something so they can put it on vinyl. | ||
| And then the value is the history, the story. | ||
| Like, a motherfucker won a vinyl Wu-Tang because it's art. | ||
| Just like with the one joy, it's art. | ||
| It's art, brother. | ||
| And like you said, we talked about it earlier. | ||
| It's coming back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's coming back. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying it's going to go to clubs or anything like that and the DJs like that, but the act of collecting something and take home with you. | ||
| They're so tangible. | ||
| Remember CDs? | ||
| CDs is like... | ||
| This technology is about to die. | ||
| Why would I buy this CD? Because it has a booklet. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| The booklet? | ||
| Well, albums. | ||
| That was a big part of what albums were was the artwork. | ||
| Yeah, it was the artwork. | ||
| You could pitch a weed on it. | ||
| And those CDs, you break your weed up. | ||
| Big Bamboo, they gave you a giant piece of rolling paper. | ||
| And that was the last thing. | ||
| And I don't see what you did, but I don't see people doing that. | ||
| But I think it's going to go back. | ||
| Everybody's not going to have 1200s in their house or whatever, but some people, especially if it's a genre or something that you connect with, they're going to be like, I want to buy that. | ||
| Well, you know what's important, though, for fans? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| I got to pee, son. | ||
| Go pee, bro. | ||
| I've been here for a long time, son. | ||
| Go pee. | ||
| I got to pee. | ||
| It's okay, sir. | ||
| I'm going to wait for you. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| No, you're going to talk shit when I leave, son. | ||
| You'll be like, he probably wouldn't go eat some bacon or something. | ||
| Fuck this, son. | ||
| I'll be right back. | ||
| For a lot of fans, they don't know. | ||
| Like, they don't know what... | ||
| There's no clearly established what's the best way to support an artist. | ||
| Like, we don't know. | ||
| And it's more gray now than ever. | ||
| But like I said, if you... | ||
| Look, the physical act of going somewhere, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And buying something... | ||
| It's a give and take. | ||
| It's an act. | ||
| It's like going to a restaurant. | ||
| Look, the food is three times the price of cooking at home, but it's a physical act. | ||
| So if you really love an artist, it's just like I paid $100 for the soundtrack to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood soundtrack. | ||
| A hundred dollars? | ||
| Yeah, it was a hundred dollars for the sound. | ||
| It was a collector's. | ||
| They had like a collector's vinyl. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Down at the Grammy Museum. | ||
| I saw it. | ||
| I was like, I'm going to take this. | ||
| Some great songs on there. | ||
| What's the band that made Cherokee Nation? | ||
| Cherokee Nation. | ||
| What's the name of that band? | ||
| I won't have to go there now. | ||
| But anyway, point being made. | ||
| Cherokee people. | ||
| Yeah, Cherokee. | ||
| People, Cherokee pride. | ||
| Yeah, who made that one? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some love to live. | ||
| Yeah, who the fuck made that? | ||
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Cherokee people! | |
| What is it? | ||
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Cherokee pride! | |
| Who made that? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm finding a bunch. | ||
| Paul Revere and the Raiders. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, Paul Revere and the Raiders. | ||
| That's a bold move. | ||
| George Washington, the dude's in the boat. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| But point being made is I wanted that vinyl. | ||
| Yes, the physical thing. | ||
| I wanted that. | ||
| And I paid my $100 for it. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I walked out the store with it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just like comic books, you know? | ||
| I just got a first issue of the new X-Men. | ||
| I actually bought it for meth. | ||
| So when I see him, I'm going to give it to him. | ||
| But because he loves comic books. | ||
| And I was in... | ||
| Well, I was at St. Louis. | ||
| After St. Louis, I was in... | ||
| Anyway, I was in that area. | ||
| And they had a comic book store there. | ||
| I went in there, and I was like, yo, they had the first issue of the new X-Men. | ||
| Bought that in plastic. | ||
| Pit that in my bag. | ||
| Now, of course, you could go online, but the physical, tangible thing, I think, is the best way to support artists. | ||
| And nowadays, the way artists actually make the most economics... | ||
| It's through live concerts. | ||
| So the only way that's going to work is if somebody hears your music. | ||
| So I always tell fans, look, just listen. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Listen, enjoy. | ||
| We're creating something for you to understand or for you to feel a vibe or for me to take you to my location, like Cash Rule, everything around me. | ||
| We're taking you back to New York, the New York crime side, you know what I mean? | ||
| And then when you come down and you get that song in your DNA and you come to a concert and you see us perform it, now we have a symbiotic relationship, you know what I mean? | ||
| So that's how I see it. | ||
| That's beautiful because you're giving them a physical object. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's important. | ||
| I think you're right, man. | ||
| That's why I want that goddamn box. | ||
| Where are you, Martin? | ||
| Get out of jail. | ||
| Sell me that box, bitch. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| How much do you think he'll sell it for? | ||
| If you had to guess. | ||
| How much did he buy it for? | ||
| He had it, I mean, I think they bought it, what, two million now? | ||
| Two million dollars. | ||
| But I think he had it on eBay. | ||
| Didn't even release it. | ||
| I think he had it on eBay. | ||
| I'm going to buy it and release it for free. | ||
| I'm going to release it, if that's okay with you. | ||
| If it's not, tell me and you guys can sell it. | ||
| But we need to have that. | ||
| That needs to be released. | ||
| Twenty-what? | ||
| Twenty-four? | ||
| Twenty-five. | ||
| Twenty-five songs? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Let's make this happen, man. | ||
| Martin where you at It'd be nice If he One of these calls You're like Collect call Fucking Jail call Collect call From Elmira Convectionals I hear the feds Martin, Martin, Martin, when you getting out, I need the box for the desk, Martin. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Did you, um, so, so, wow, so, so now that Donnell's gone, I can talk about him right now. | ||
| He's the best, man. | ||
| We finally got him to do a podcast. | ||
| I've shamed him into doing one episode that he already did, because he didn't want to come here and tell me that he hadn't done it yet. | ||
| So he did one, and then we're going to take that one. | ||
| Jamie's going to produce it and edit it. | ||
| He's over there shaking his head like... | ||
| We're going to do it together. | ||
| We'll promote it. | ||
| I'll promote it on Instagram. | ||
| I've just been trying to get him to do it forever. | ||
| He's a goddamn natural. | ||
| He's a natural. | ||
| He makes me cry. | ||
| He can't be stopped. | ||
| Now, you said you do hot yoga. | ||
| Are you into Zen? | ||
| Anything Zen? | ||
| Is it all physical with yoga for you or is it something spiritual? | ||
| No, it's a mind cleansing thing as much as it's a physical cleansing thing because it's all about concentrating on my breath and ignoring all the fucking ideas that keep darting in and out of my head. | ||
| It's just like meditation in the sense that I'm trying to calm myself down and center myself and I'm trying to cleanse myself. | ||
| So when I'm holding poses and I'm concentrating on my Breathing, what it does is it eliminates all of the stuff that I don't necessarily want in my head. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And allows me to manage my mind better. | ||
| And I think that's the thing that is misunderstood about yoga. | ||
| Because in my opinion, and I've done both, I've done regular meditation, I've done physical exercise. | ||
| I think there's a benefit, a great unrecognized benefit to physical meditation. | ||
| And I find that in yoga, I find that in martial arts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if you find that as well. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you have... | ||
| You have still meditation. | ||
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Those fucking stupid lights, man. | |
| We gotta fix them. | ||
| Jamie and I have been talking about it for three years. | ||
| What happened to the chest, son? | ||
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The what? | |
| The chest. | ||
| Oh, it's being refilled with terrifying concoctions. | ||
| So we're talking about physical meditation, right? | ||
| And still meditation. | ||
| So let's just say there's a meditation where you just sit still and you just breathe. | ||
| And actually, Wu-Tang, right? | ||
| So I'm going to give you a little Wu-Tang lore. | ||
| So Wu-Tang... | ||
| The story is there's a monk named Changseng Fei who leaves Shaolin Temple because he feels that the physical exercise is not the pure way to enlightenment. | ||
| He thought that the Kung Fu was too external. | ||
| Too many complications for the ego. | ||
| So he retreats to the mountain. | ||
| And he goes for internal Kung Fu. | ||
| But in the process of doing internal Kung Fu, such as Tai Chi, Zen Yi, Bakwa, right? | ||
| Like, these techniques, like, there's this thing called the Ace Piece Brocade, where you just sit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And you just do very small movements. | ||
| First, you bang on the back of your ears. | ||
| It's called banging on the heavenly drums to open up the back of your brain. | ||
| If you do that right now, if you cover your ears, right? | ||
| If you take the headphones off, right? | ||
| And you cover your ears like this. | ||
| You take your thumb like that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Of course it's louder, right? | ||
| You hear it, right? | ||
| Oh, it gives you like a little rhythm. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you do that first, right? | ||
| And that's just to open up your brain, like to open that up, right? | ||
| You do it while inhaling, exhaling, balancing again and yank. | ||
| That's one of the brocades. | ||
| So he made these eight pieces of brocade. | ||
| Brocade means something that's blocked. | ||
| So you want to open it up. | ||
| You want to open up your main vessels, you know what I mean? | ||
| Of course being your ears, your eyes, your nose, your mouth. | ||
| That goes back to Jesus saying, The seven churches. | ||
| What is the seven churches? | ||
| It says, Jesus spoke to the seven churches. | ||
| Well, he spoke to the two eyes, the two nose, two holes in your nose, your mouth, and your two ears. | ||
| So he's speaking to a man. | ||
| He said, out of his mouth came a double-edged sword. | ||
| The sword, of course, no sword can't come out of your mouth. | ||
| Your tongue is that sword. | ||
| Double-edged. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Shout out to all the preachers that are eating pussy, but go ahead. | ||
| Wait, that's P-E-P. You got to make that an acronym. | ||
| P-E-P. But anyway, before the Coneligas part of it comes, right? | ||
| Before we get to the Coneligas. | ||
| So Wu-Tang itself, right, this guy leaves the temple, goes to the mountain to meditate, and he's dealing with still meditation. | ||
| But in all reality, when you mix it together, Wu-Tang and Shaolin, you have the physical and the still meditation. | ||
| And it takes both to actually find this level of enlightenment you're looking for. | ||
| So when Bodhidharma came to Shaolin, he actually came from India. | ||
| So Bodhidharma was an Indian monk who was more of a yoga student. | ||
| He comes to Shaolin and he's trying to teach them the Indian way, but he realized that all the monks are too weak to sit there and they're still meditation. | ||
| And so he created something called the low hands, right? | ||
| Or the 18 low hands. | ||
| And these forms and these steps were made so that now they could do a physical movement To build their body up so now they can meditate longer. | ||
| Because you can have a strong mind. | ||
| What's the use of a strong mind without a strong body? | ||
| And what's the use of a strong body without a strong mind? | ||
| So that's the yin and yang must be balanced. | ||
| And so that's the Shaolin and Wu-Tang philosophy. | ||
| So when we made Wu-Tang Clan, and I'll go back to myself with this, we made Wu-Tang Clan as the name of our crew. | ||
| We took the verse from the Bible about the double-edged sword and Jesus speaking, right? | ||
| We said, okay, We're going to use our words and our wisdom and our spirituality to talk to the world through our music, right? | ||
| But we also took that in the Wu-Tang Law. | ||
| They said the Wu-Tang martial art monks, they developed the best sword style. | ||
| So we're like, well, we're the Wu-Tang. | ||
| We have the best sword style. | ||
| But we come from Shaolin because that's the well which springs forth, right? | ||
| And so we took the physical of Shaolin as our base, the spiritual, the meditative force of Wu-Tang, and we put it together. | ||
| And our album starts off, if what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous. | ||
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| Oh my god. | ||
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That's hip-hop history, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| I need a Wu name, son. | ||
| Yo, give me a Wu-Tang name, son. | ||
| What would it be? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You gotta go through that name generator, sir. | ||
| Yo, Jamie, can you name generate me? | ||
| No. | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| You can't change who you are. | ||
| The words won't change your essence. | ||
| Your essence is Donnell Rawlings. | ||
| There's no escaping that. | ||
| Joe, I respect what you're saying right now. | ||
| I respect that, and you sound very white right now, but I'm just saying, motherfucker, Riz is in here. | ||
| I want a woo name, son. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Yo, when I did that show, Hollyweed, with Kevin Smith, there was this part. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Wu-Tang Generator. | ||
| Arrogant Dreamer. | ||
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That ain't right. | |
| I don't want that. | ||
| I don't want that one. | ||
| Give me a new name, son. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Arrogant Dreamer is pretty dope. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Listen, when I was doing the Kevin Smith show, Holly Weed, there was a part where I own a dispensary. | ||
| I'm in there, right? | ||
| And I smoke weed. | ||
| And the only time I think I can spit is when I smoke weed. | ||
| So I'm smoking weed, and I just was doing these bars. | ||
| And at the end of everyone, I said, Wu-Tang. | ||
| At the end of every one, I say Wu-Tang and Kevin Smith know me. | ||
| Every time I text him, he's like, Wu-Tang forever. | ||
| Well, Dave says that shit all the time, too. | ||
| This is what I pitched to him for the Hollywood show. | ||
| Like, they know every time I write, it's like, yo, nigga, Wu-Tang forever. | ||
| What? | ||
| Wu-Tang forever. | ||
| So we had, I had pitched a scene where all I'm saying is Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang, and I'm in a dispensary, right? | ||
| And then you know how they had security cams and shit? | ||
| I'd be like, who is it? | ||
| And the motherfuckers say, it's Wu-Tang. | ||
| The actual Wu-Tang show up to the weed spot, and that's the thing I punctuate all my raps with. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Dave did have a lot of jokes with Wu-Tang in it, right? | ||
| And I really appreciate it. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| He's a really beautiful man. | ||
| Had us on the show. | ||
| But he did one Wu-Tang joke, right? | ||
| That fucked me up, man. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Can I talk about it real quick? | ||
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Yes, please. | |
| So I'm watching it. | ||
| So he did the three Netflix specials. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was the first one. | ||
| And so me and my wife, we excited. | ||
| Yo, dang, boom. | ||
| We put it on. | ||
| And we watching it. | ||
| And we dying laughing. | ||
| And then he goes into the scene where he's at a party and he had the transgender dude fall out and all that and everything. | ||
| And then he goes, you know, he don't understand how somebody do that. | ||
| Like, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, what does somebody do? | ||
| They just chop their dick off, Wu-Tang, bang! | ||
| And they just keep going. | ||
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And I was like, what the fuck was that? | |
| Hold on, hold on, let me finish this. | ||
| No, I'm sorry. | ||
| Me and my wife both was like, we both kind of didn't say nothing like for the first three minutes. | ||
| Like, you know, I just kept watching. | ||
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He was shocked. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And then it was like, what the fuck? | ||
| I said, I said, babe, what? | ||
| You get that? | ||
| I said, no, I didn't get it. | ||
| So we didn't get it, right? | ||
| Next fucking day, next fucking day, I'm somewhere at a meeting, an elevator, and boom, it hits me. | ||
| Because it stayed in my fucking mind. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I fucking started dying laughing. | ||
| It was a punctuate. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, so what was the difference with what you thought you didn't get, but what made you get it? | ||
| What made me get it was just... | ||
| I'm trying to... | ||
| Because Dave is a genius, yo. | ||
| Right. | ||
| His shit is crazy, right? | ||
| It's like a lyric. | ||
| You're going to get the rhyme when you get the rhyme, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what he was saying, he said he don't understand how a man chop his dick off. | ||
| So what a man do? | ||
| A man just goes... | ||
| That's the most case? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The reason this is... | ||
| Tell me what you got. | ||
| I'll tell you what I got. | ||
| What I got was the most gangster phrase you could say that describes the hardest shit you could do is Wu-Tang. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Cut your dick off. | ||
| Take it back. | ||
| That's thief, now. | ||
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It's true! | |
| Because one of your Wu-Tang mans did that shit. | ||
| Exactly, hold on. | ||
| They did it. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| Who did it? | ||
| Who did it? | ||
| Tell him. | ||
| There's a dude that was affiliated with us, right? | ||
| Don't say affiliated, motherfucker. | ||
| He was a Wu-Tang. | ||
| He was a Wu-Tang, say. | ||
| Hold on, listen, man. | ||
| He wasn't part of the Wu-Tang clan. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| Hold on, then I gotta give you a test before we go further. | ||
| I don't want to test you. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| From the slum to Shaolin, Wu-Tang clan strikes the game. | ||
| The RZA, the JZA. Old Dirty Bastard, Inspector Deck, Raekwon the Chef, U-Guard, Ghostface Killer, and Method Man. | ||
| Of course, and Master Killer and Cappadonna. | ||
| Method Man and Raekwon are in New York right now for the Jets-Giants game, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, that makes sense. | ||
| Of course, Cappadonna and Master Killer and a lot of mathematics and sometimes even Redman and Streetlight. | ||
| Method Man is following me. | ||
| But check it out. | ||
| But this, so we had other groups we signed. | ||
| North Star. | ||
| I actually signed North Star. | ||
| I signed the Black Knights. | ||
| Both West Coast groups, actually. | ||
| Some from Long Beach, some from Compton. | ||
| You know, made a lot of songs with them. | ||
| Talented Young Brothers. | ||
| So one of the members of the North Star zoned out. | ||
| He zoned out on some crazy... | ||
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Zoned out. | |
| One of them drugs you talking about, Joe. | ||
| Zoned out. | ||
| And what do they call it when you do it? | ||
| I don't... | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's a word for it, though. | ||
| What's the word when you do it? | ||
| Castrate yourself. | ||
| I had to get the word, brother. | ||
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So he castrates himself, right? | |
| So now, that's the punchline of his joke. | ||
| The punchline is like, because this dude, for no reason... | ||
| It was a callback, yeah. | ||
| So you got it in an elevator? | ||
| Yeah, I'm just walking on this elevator. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
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It's a delay! | |
| I'm serious. | ||
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It's a delay joke. | |
| It's a long fuse. | ||
| That's a genius joke when he hits you like 24 hours later, son. | ||
| Oh my God, that bit has a long fuse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Dave does got those kind of jokes. | ||
| Oh man, I remember when we were on the road when that actually was the news. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he was like, Wu-Tang punctuated so much in anything, whatever you do. | ||
| For fun anyway. | ||
| For anything, Wu-Tang forever. | ||
| So when a member, Or at least an affiliated member of the Wu-Tang cuts off his dick. | ||
| And then he doesn't think he says Wu-Tang. | ||
| He could have been like a nephew, a Wu-Fu. | ||
| Did he glue that on? | ||
| He could have been a Wu-Nephew or whatever. | ||
| You know what's so crazy about that incident? | ||
| First of all, that incident was very hurtful. | ||
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| I'm quite sure it's hurtful to him, but it was hurtful in a sense like when it happened, I was doing a TV show called Gang Mulated, right? | ||
| And so, you know, like I would go like, say it happened on the night it happened, the next night is a cast where the whole cast get together. | ||
| And this shit is the news. | ||
| This is like on every network, every TMZ. This is like, oh shit. | ||
| And I'll come in the room and everybody's like, What the fuck happened? | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Yeah, but I'm telling you, the thing about it is I don't know what you need to do to represent your gangster, but cutting your dick off is the most go-hard shit a motherfucker could do. | ||
| It's hard, right? | ||
| That's like next level. | ||
| Yeah, it's next level. | ||
| Now, homie, so I had a buddy with me at the time, Paul Banks from Interpol, and we was working on the album, and so he saw me, he's like, damn, Bobby, you look kind of fucking depressed. | ||
| I said, yo, man, Like, I don't like the way this shit sound, man. | ||
| It's like, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, the press, it feels, it don't feel right. | ||
| I said, first of all, I don't think I found in the history of me, of my study, I never heard of a man chopping his own shit off. | ||
| This shit is biblical. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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So, I'm already, even though some people may have done it, this shit is biblical. | |
| Do it to yourself, right? | ||
| And what he said to me, what he said, he's like, listen, He probably was really fucked up. | ||
| Probably! | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| Probably? | ||
| He said he was probably... | ||
| Yeah, nah, nigga. | ||
| He was fucked up. | ||
| He said he was probably really fucked up. | ||
| I said, yeah. | ||
| I said, but then, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Then they say he jumped out the window out of a two-story... | ||
| He jumped over the balcony of a two-story apartment building, but didn't die. | ||
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They said he jumped and kept moving. | |
| Yeah, after. | ||
| No, not... | ||
| So no disrespect to him, but... | ||
| Cut your dick off jumping over and then hit full stride when it hit down. | ||
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No, no. | |
| So my man Paul said this. | ||
| He said, I think he was sober when he jumped. | ||
| How can you get that high? | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| He said, I think he was sober when he jumped. | ||
| And he went on to give me this whole story about one of his friends that had a problem. | ||
| Because he had to console me. | ||
| Right now I'm kind of puzzled, so he's trying to console me. | ||
| And he told me, I said, yeah, but he didn't die. | ||
| He said, yeah, he didn't die. | ||
| Because he wasn't going to die. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it gave me a little metaphor in my head. | ||
| So he said, I had a friend who used to drink and shit. | ||
| And one night, he had a problem with it. | ||
| One night, he was in a hotel. | ||
| And he laid on the fucking balcony of a window, right? | ||
| And everybody said, yo, get the fuck off that. | ||
| And the window's open. | ||
| He said, if he fall this way, he's going down 10 stories. | ||
| But if he go this way, he's just hit the floor. | ||
| He's in the room. | ||
| And that's the whole thing. | ||
| He said that... | ||
| He went this way. | ||
| He went down 10 stories? | ||
| 10 stories. | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| But during the fall, he sobered up. | ||
| But when he hit the ground, he didn't die. | ||
| He became quadriplegic. | ||
| The dick cut off, motherfucker? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| This is the alcohol dude that fell down. | ||
| Point being made is that you ain't going to go until it's time to go. | ||
| Right, 100%. | ||
| So you think you're killing yourself, it ain't happening. | ||
| But if you cut your dick off and you survived that, that's the time to go. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| So the idea is, was he sober when he jumped? | ||
| And I had the chance to speak to him. | ||
| I sent him a Quran. | ||
| I was like, I think you might have to get into some studies, brother. | ||
| So anyway, I sent him the Quran. | ||
| Can't nobody hold you down off of that. | ||
| And then I said, let me ask you a question. | ||
| And the question was, when you jumped, he said, yeah. | ||
| He's like, for that moment, everything else was whatever it was. | ||
| And you could read his story, and he says what happened in the story. | ||
| But when he jumped, that was the moment of sobriety. | ||
| And for me, that was like, now that's the... | ||
| When he jumped, when he cut his dick off, that wasn't the moment of sobriety? | ||
| It's after. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You ever do some shit? | ||
| You ever been fucked up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you do some shit and uh-oh. | ||
| Like, I had a really bad sexual thing. | ||
| It was one of those sex nights. | ||
| You know, I was covered up. | ||
| I kind of had like a blanket over me. | ||
| And we was going to room-to-room fucking girls. | ||
| It was one of them bad... | ||
| Sex, drug in your system. | ||
| I'm fucking everybody tonight. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| And you're just going room to room, room to room, room. | ||
| You don't give a fuck. | ||
| Condom, no condom, motherfucker. | ||
| I'm going hard body. | ||
| Against the grain. | ||
| Against the grain. | ||
| But then there's that moment. | ||
| Like, oh shit, I fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I knew I fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you get sober for about 30 seconds. | ||
| And then the high kick back in, you go knock on the door. | ||
| You're like, yo, yo, yo, I'm alright, the dick back, the dick is back, the dick is back. | ||
| You're like, I don't know where those loads went. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, that's it. | ||
| But Wu-Tang, bang! | ||
| But didn't he glue his dick back on? | ||
| He stitched it back on, right? | ||
| Did he? | ||
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Jamie? | |
| He fixed it? | ||
| It's all good? | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I stopped following the story after that. | ||
| Yeah, that was after... | ||
| I hope he's okay. | ||
| I was like, that... | ||
| That was just... | ||
| Thank God for surgeons. | ||
| Thank God for scientists. | ||
| Thank God for miracle-working medicine people. | ||
| But I'm telling you, that's like forever will be the most gangsta shit you can do. | ||
| Woo-Tang! | ||
| Chop your dick off and say, Woo-Tang? | ||
| That dude, Dave Chappelle, is ridiculous. | ||
| Don't say that because people are going to film it now. | ||
| They're going to world start hoping that Dave sees it. | ||
| So I'm getting a track today. | ||
| I'm getting a track today? | ||
| Getting a track. | ||
| Email it to me right now, son! | ||
| You're about to disappear, man. | ||
| Who? | ||
| You are. | ||
| No, no, give me an email. | ||
| You guilt-tripped the shit out of people. | ||
| He didn't say nothing. | ||
| He's been here for two fucking hours. | ||
| I said who? | ||
| Poof, I'm gone. | ||
| Nah, I went there. | ||
| I went there, and you said, and the thing about it was... | ||
| Donald guilted me into producing his show. | ||
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No, I didn't guilt you. | |
| I asked you. | ||
| He guilted Jamie into being the technical advisor. | ||
| That's not what I said. | ||
| He guilted you into the music, and then he tried to pretend like you were trying to run out of here. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| When you clearly weren't. | ||
| No, that's not what I said. | ||
| What I said was like, I'm sick of you talking shit to me. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| I said, could you just produce the first episode? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And get off the track. | ||
| And Jamie wasn't fucked with me at all. | ||
| He didn't know what to do. | ||
| No, he knew what to do. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| He knew to get me the fuck out of here. | ||
| He produces five shows a week. | ||
| I knew I had another show to do right now. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I didn't know he needed me to do it. | ||
| And I didn't know I was going to be here. | ||
| He does five shows a week. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Listen, with that said... | ||
| Sometimes more. | ||
| Joe, with that said... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I wasn't demanding... | ||
| The only thing I was doing was being cooperative. | ||
| In all honesty, I'm happy. | ||
| More than happy. | ||
| I'm ecstatic to help you. | ||
| I'm ecstatic to help you. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| I just want you to do it. | ||
| Now that you're doing it, I'll do whatever. | ||
| And look at the inspiration. | ||
| And we started this. | ||
| Write your email on here. | ||
| Yeah, I'm old school. | ||
| You gotta send it to me, man. | ||
| And I'll send you a track. | ||
| I'll send you two. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Two! | ||
| One would be, like, maybe kind of hip-hoppy, and one would be like... | ||
| Listen, don't even go with it. | ||
| Listen, the funny thing about... | ||
| We came with the idea of doing it in the car. | ||
| You know how I drive around? | ||
| I listen to classical music. | ||
| So, one would be classical? | ||
| What kind? | ||
| Beethoven. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| I got on some classical station. | ||
| Like, serious? | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| They'd be like this, and that was the works from NB Minors. | ||
| And so, I know that shit make my brain feel relaxed like a motherfucker. | ||
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You know? | |
| That does. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| I like listening to it while I write. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Don't tell people. | ||
| He had to read this shit back. | ||
| Don't know, we're going to have to edit that out. | ||
| You can't tell people what your goddamn email is. | ||
| Don't say that. | ||
| He just said Gmail. | ||
| I didn't say Gmail, son. | ||
| You just said Gmail. | ||
| Well, look how he wrote it. | ||
| Yo, that's so disrespectful, man. | ||
| If you show it, if you wouldn't have said it, nobody would have knew it. | ||
| Not even me, because... | ||
| Jamie, can you beep over that? | ||
| Some numbers in there that can't be seen. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Right? | ||
| No, you the one said it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we're going to add some numbers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's three or four. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Man, I'm telling you, my shit is gonna blow, son! | ||
| I'm ready, son! | ||
| Well, you can't spell the shit the way he spelled it. | ||
| I spelled it the way I spell it. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Stop, stop, stop, stop. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| Listen, people are going to get your email. | ||
| That's two N's. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| I thought it was two V's. | ||
| Please, Don. | ||
| Man, whatever it is. | ||
| V's. | ||
| The dicks are coming to you right now. | ||
| Dudes are loading up dicks in their email browser. | ||
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Don't do that. | |
| Sending them to you like a goddamn hurricane. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| A tsunami of dicks. | ||
| Why you can't do it right now? | ||
| Oh, because it's not in my phone, kid. | ||
| It's like I got a new phone. | ||
| Donnell, you gotta change your email. | ||
| I hate to tell you this. | ||
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He got me! | |
| You got me! | ||
| I got a new phone on the rail. | ||
| How much can we change this? | ||
| Alright, take my number down too. | ||
| It's fucked? | ||
| Can we beep it? | ||
| We're gonna beep over your email. | ||
| Cause this is ridiculous. | ||
| What'd I do? | ||
| We're gonna cut to me during the take so that you don't see your lips moving either. | ||
| Cause the scientists, they're out there. | ||
| They will? | ||
| We're all good. | ||
| Damn, what is this? | ||
| Jamie knows what he's doing. | ||
| Yo, what did this come out of? | ||
| The plug. | ||
| I know the plug. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's something underneath there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's something underneath there. | ||
| Where is it, Jimmy? | ||
| You can't hear me, but it's by his right foot. | ||
| By your right foot. | ||
| By your right foot. | ||
| On the floor. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Click. | ||
| We good? | ||
| Before I slip out and go catch this story before it closes, give me one serious visual question. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Well, tell me about the Hulu show. | ||
| I'm interested in the Hulu show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| I'm going to do that. | ||
| This is one thing. | ||
| I'm going to give you something to edit to. | ||
| That's why I was just... | ||
| No, we're good. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| Jamie's going to beep over Donald's description of his email. | ||
| People are mad right now. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| It was better when it was live. | ||
| I could send him a picture of my dick. | ||
| So the Hulu show was created by me, my partner Alex C., executive producer Brian Grazer. | ||
| I love Brian. | ||
| He was just here last week. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's great. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He's an interesting guy, man. | ||
| Yeah, very, very smart. | ||
| I really like talking to him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he, well, he's an entertainment icon and genius in what he do. | ||
| And he actually read my book, The Dial of Woo. | ||
| And that led to him having an interest in making this into a TV series, you know what I mean? | ||
| And so we partnered up with Alex C., Francie Calfo. | ||
| I wrote 10 episodes of this. | ||
| We got a writer's room. | ||
| Pitted on Hulu. | ||
| It's called Wu-Tang and the American Saga. | ||
| An American Saga. | ||
| And it follows us pre-Wu-Tang days in all reality. | ||
| So you get to see some of the things that happened in our neighborhoods and some of the things that molded us to the men that we became. | ||
| And it's not only because of like, you know, we have the liberty to fictionalize some things, right? | ||
| So for instance, there could be a character, you know, you think about Eric Garner. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That's like popular within the last three to five years, right? | ||
| Maybe a little longer. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But for us, that same thing happened when we was kids in our neighborhood. | ||
| In the same neighborhood, mind you. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So that happened on Staten Island. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And we was able to, through the show, kind of go back and look at some of the same problems that That we have as American citizens in our communities that we're still facing today. | ||
| For instance, in episode three, one of my favorite episodes, you see a black mother addressing a funeral. | ||
| About how so many of these kids are dying from gun violence over things that's not even valuable. | ||
| Things that could be replaced, whether it's sneakers or gold chain. | ||
| But the life can't be replaced. | ||
| And she goes on to say something that... | ||
| You know, as a mother, the pain of labor, you hear how painful that is, right? | ||
| I've seen how painful it is. | ||
| So imagine the pain a woman feels when their child is killed in cold blood. | ||
| I can't even imagine that. | ||
| And she goes on to say, we never see our children as thieves, gangsters, you know, criminals. | ||
| We see them as our babies. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And we're turning our community into a war zone. | ||
| And we got to realize that this is our community and these are our babies. | ||
| So the show gets a chance to tap into all of that because these things happen. | ||
| We were talking about it earlier. | ||
| We were talking about the same thing. | ||
| We were talking about guns. | ||
| I was like, a black person's perspective and their views and how they look at guns is totally different from someone that grew around where the NRA was strong, that grew around where they had gun laws. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| With an average black person, when you think about a gun, you think about something that could take somebody's life. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| And not only that, you also think about a gun in certain cases where it took a life of somebody that was innocent. | ||
| It was somebody with an authority. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So, like, most black people, their connection with guns is totally different from just, like, hunting and I want to protect my household. | ||
| Yeah, because... | ||
| And in our show, you know, we tap into that. | ||
| But at the same time, we also tap into that feeling when the kid gets a new drum machine, right? | ||
| Without the instruction manual. | ||
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And he's gonna stay up all night and figure it out. | |
| Try to figure it out. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And play on it and eventually make something. | ||
| You know, like for the case of me, that SP-1200, I made that beat for Bring the Pain, which was one of Method Man's first videos and one of his first charting songs. | ||
| And you need to think about... | ||
| Me trying to figure this thing out and figure it out and then make something... | ||
| And getting excited every time you figure it out. | ||
| And then make something that the world appreciates. | ||
| So you get that angle as well. | ||
| But then you also... | ||
| At the time, my mother was working for a man named Fat Larry. | ||
| And Fat Larry was a... | ||
| And she learned cousin. | ||
| No, he actually was an Italian guy who ran the number spots on Staten Island. | ||
| I used to go to Italian restaurants. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| It felt so illegal and fucked up, but it was so good. | ||
| It was like, oh shit, I ain't telling nobody I'm out here. | ||
| So we tap into that culture as well. | ||
| So anyway, it was an honor to work with Imagine TV. Brian Grazer, Ron Howard also blessed us on it as well. | ||
| And my partner, Alex C., who... | ||
| Just a good writer. | ||
| He wrote Superfly, the new Superfly. | ||
| He's just a good writer. | ||
| Our partnership led to these episodes. | ||
| It's invaluable right now. | ||
| How does it feel to be respected as a hip-hop pioneer, as someone that started some different shit? | ||
| You could rock with Wu-Tang forever, but you've still been able to be identified like you. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| How does it feel to go through the hip-hop thing and then being respected in the film world, in the writing world, like you are now? | ||
| I mean, it's a blessing, of course, right? | ||
| You can say that without no jokes, no strings attached. | ||
| That wasn't no joke, just real shit, son! | ||
| No, no, no, no, I'm with you. | ||
| It's a blessing. | ||
| And the beauty of it all, for me, for the RZA, is that every step that I take and every footprint I leave, I leave it for hip-hop. | ||
| So you think about, of course, Dr. Dre is in front of me. | ||
| He's ahead of me. | ||
| And so I had his records before I had a record. | ||
| And so I watched the NWA movie and I'm like, wow, it's a movie now. | ||
| It was an album now, it's a movie. | ||
| And now, you know, how do I take it to another level? | ||
| Well, now it's not a movie, it's a TV series. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You see? | ||
| And now somebody else in hip-hop could take a look at that and they could say, wow, what can we do now to take it to another level? | ||
| So the biggest blessing... | ||
| For me, the biggest reward is knowing that there's footprints being left by the abbot, as they call me the abbot. | ||
| But the abbot is leaving footprints on showing people in hip-hop you don't have to be crabs in the barrel or trying to say a rhyme or trying to make a beat. | ||
| I mean, you could take your art And put it in many forms because there's many outlets of art. | ||
| Even an editor is a style. | ||
| There's many outlets of hip-hop too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even a good editor, a hip-hop video editor, it's a certain style to his editing, right? | ||
| Because he has the hip-hop in him. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So even there's the outlet. | ||
| A lot of young people, you know, in many fields, we all sometimes strive towards the same... | ||
| Goal, not realizing how many people it takes to achieve the goal. | ||
| And through film, and with this, through film being one of the most collaborative art forms there is. | ||
| You watch a movie, you'll see, you know, hundreds of names go by. | ||
| When I did my movie, Man with the Iron Fist, I had... | ||
| Was that Tarantino? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yo, you know, the weird thing about it, like... | ||
| Man, like me being on the outside and seeing your career and everything, man, that connection felt so like it made so much sense, son. | ||
| Thank you, y'all. | ||
| It made so... | ||
| It's like... | ||
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Duh! | |
| And the Baddest Man Alive is like number two, right behind the Rage Against the Machine-Wu-Tang collaboration. | ||
| With the Black Keys. | ||
| Goddamn, that's a good song. | ||
| Goddamn! | ||
| Thank you, brother, thank you. | ||
| But point being made that 500 people was employed. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people. | ||
| A lot of moving parts. | ||
| So think about the young people out there who's trying to figure out where did their art fit in? | ||
| Where did their talent fit in? | ||
| And I'll say to them, look, it took 500 people to make that, okay? | ||
| And you never know where your talent is going to fall. | ||
| So, like, he told you to spit 16. You ain't got to spit 16. No, no, he got to spit 16. No, no, no. | ||
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He got to spit 16. Or two. | |
| But his talking, listen, his talking attract millions just like my spitting 16. Yo. | ||
| Man, only reason I did... | ||
| Only reason... | ||
| This is why I wanted him to spend 16. Because I knew he was going to say, where the fuck is your podcast, right? | ||
| So, yo, I was like this. | ||
| Before he gets to the podcast, I want to do the 16. Already know... | ||
| This motherfucker's voice is the voice of this whole shit. | ||
| And a motherfucker that can just sit there and talk to somebody forever. | ||
| And not only just talk to somebody forever, that's after doing comedy. | ||
| I was a comedy and then I got time to talk to somebody forever and I don't have to talk about none of the shit I did last night. | ||
| That's some crazy shit. | ||
| You could do it too. | ||
| Yo, I started 44 minutes with nobody. | ||
| Yo, I got two producers. | ||
| Y'all already said it. | ||
| Three producers. | ||
| We gonna do it. | ||
| You're on the road, man. | ||
| You got no worries. | ||
| Yo, we're just gonna leave with a verse. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| Hit me with it. | ||
| What's the logistics? | ||
| Is my egotistic personality part of my coexistence, or is it just a dangerous stranger paying me an uninvited visit, like an unwanted Christmas guest? | ||
| Or is it just a fragment of my lower self, envy, greed, and lust? | ||
| Or my higher self, goodwill, love, and trust? | ||
| Is this therapy too untherapeutic to discuss? | ||
| I was dangling in the dirt like a pair of loose shoestrings, but I was born in the USA like Bruce Springsteen, torn between the temptation of bringing the ruckus to maintaining the structure to keeping girls on my payroll that'll cut your nuts off after they fuck you before you rupture. | ||
| They try to put me in a quiet place where the words stop. | ||
| Or put me in a closed pen space, ruin life through a bird box. | ||
| But close the windows, shut the doors, scatter dirt on the floor so the sound of my footsteps are dampened and dissolved. | ||
| That's a metaphor to kill the noise. | ||
| While they walk around, we look blindfolded as they kill our boys. | ||
| And these crazy races roam with cold steel and they kill for joy. | ||
| Blood spills inside the church and outside the shopping store, inside the movie theater, school campus and church or the synagogues. | ||
| No location is omitted. | ||
| Most cases get acquitted by mental illness and no guns are prohibited. | ||
| Is it rational to think this is a national problem, therefore it's a threat to national security and the National Guard needs to solve it? | ||
| Or is it visible? | ||
| It's a problem of individuals who are not in accord with the principle of one nation under God indivisible. | ||
| Respect to my veterans. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, Donnell Rollins. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| That's it! | ||
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That's the way to end a fucking podcast! | |
| An honor, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. |
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