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Oct. 8, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #1363 - Dakota Meyer

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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Ta-da!
		What's up, Dakota?
		What's going on?
		We finally did this.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Finally, we've been talking about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I feel super connected to you, man, because all day I've been listening to you on Jocko's podcast.
		First of all, anybody who really wants to know you in depth, in your element, talking with a fellow warrior, I strongly recommend that podcast.
		For people who don't...
		What number is it?
		Do you know which number?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what number it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's...
		Jocko Podcast 115, Into the Fire, and Beyond the Call of Duty.
		Jocko is a fucking beast, and you two together, talking about...
		The incidents that happen with you overseas, it's insane.
		I mean, I had to call a buddy of mine.
		I had to stop the podcast and call my friend Brendan just to talk to him.
		I was like, this is so intense.
		It's like I was driving.
		I was getting nervous, right?
		Driving in my fucking Tesla, my little electric car.
		I'm driving, my hands are sweating, and I'm breathing heavy.
		I'm like, fuck!
		Yeah, it was...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you hear all those, like, you know, when you're listening to that podcast, that was by far the most...
		I mean, he, like, Jocko just pulled it out of me, like, right?
		Like, you know, most everybody hits, like, the high points of it, but, you know, me and Jocko just made that connection.
		It was the first time we'd ever met.
		Oh, really?
		Face-to-face, yeah.
		We just went, like, you know, he actually picked me up from the airport, and we went there, and we sat down and did the podcast, and...
		I don't know.
		I think he knew the questions to ask because I think it was good for both of us.
		Because, you know, if you got to the point kind of in the middle of it, if you start hearing those silences, it was both of us trying to keep from tears falling, right?
		It was like that moment you're trying to...
		We really connected and it was a tough podcast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could tell because for Jocko, I mean, I listen to a lot of Jocko's podcasts, but that was one where he was really in his element.
		First of all, it's very obvious he has a deep respect for you and who you are and what you stand for.
		And then two, it brought him back to his own experiences and more.
		And so the whole thing is just, it's one of the most intense podcasts I've ever listened to, if not the most intense.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking heavy, man.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was heavy.
		It was a hard one.
		Like you said, I think we both...
		I think Jocko was getting as much out of it as I was, right?
		And I have the utmost respect for Jocko.
		The guy is just...
		He's the epitome of a warrior all around, from day in and day out.
		I mean, he wakes up every day and lives...
		The things that he says.
		I mean, you know, he does what he says, and he lives it, and he puts people first, and he's just, I mean, he's one of the greatest guys I've ever met.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I couldn't have said it better.
		And Tim Kennedy as well.
		You know, we're both friends with Tim, and that's the same thing.
		It's a rare, rare human being, both of those guys.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It is, you know, and I think that's what, like, you know, that's what I'm so fortunate about.
		It's like, I'm just...
		I'm surrounded by just people like that, right?
		I'm so fortunate to have a circle like that.
		I think that that's what makes us who we are.
		It's true.
		The epitome is iron sharpens iron.
		When you're surrounded by guys like Jocko and Tim Kennedy, you have no option.
		Even if you're last in that group, you're still above average.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a cliche, you know, that comes up when people talk about military, you know, that, you know, people will say things and sometimes it's hard to understand whether or not they grasp exactly what they're saying, but that people make sacrifices so that you could be free.
		It's hard to truly internalize that without having experienced what you've experienced, what Jocko and Tim Kennedy have experienced.
		When I'm listening to it, I know that it's correct.
		I know that it's true.
		I support it 100%, but it's almost like an alien thing to me because I've never experienced it.
		So when hearing you guys talk about it and climbing inside your head for a bit and listening to you describe it, That cliché, the land of the free because of the brave, it gets highlighted where you understand, like, this is why America's not like it is in other places because of this strong military.
		And one of the things you guys talked about in that podcast was this idea of us invading Afghanistan.
		You were fighting alongside Afghans.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And most people who talk about war will have this peripheral, sort of cursory understanding about what they would like the world to be like.
		You know, that they would like no war, and that, oh, this is terrible, we shouldn't be over there.
		They don't truly understand what you understand.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, they don't.
		And I think, you know, the perspective that I get to come back, and I think all these guys telling their stories, you know, from Rob O'Neill to Marks Latrell, like, I think every warrior out there has to tell their story To make people understand, right?
		Like, it's so important for that because we've got a perspective of the world that a lot of people don't get.
		And, you know, I mean, I stood next to people that we couldn't, like, you talk about not believing, not being raised, not coming from the same place, not having, you know, we could have found every reason not to be on the same ground, but we stood next to each other and were willing to die for each other.
		We found, we chose to find the common denominator.
		And that was because there's only two types of people in this world.
		There's good and evil.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It really comes down to that.
		Like, war is so simple.
		Life is so simple.
		When you try to complicate it, there's other reasons.
		And it's like, this whole thing, we were all over there fighting for the belief to be free.
		This belief of democracy.
		This belief of what we all live for.
		And you can't see it.
		But we live it every day, and we were willing to give our lives for people we didn't even know, people we didn't even meet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One of the things you talked about with Jocko, you said you didn't just lose four brothers that day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You lost ten because you lost six Afghani brothers as well.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, the Afghans were as close to me as the Marines were.
		You know, my team of Afghan soldiers, you know, I lived on a base.
		It was four U.S. and 80 Afghans.
		And every day I went out on patrol and I'm patrolling with them.
		And they're no different than me and you.
		You know, they just want a place I'll never forget that really hit home to me.
		Is I had an afghan.
		We were sitting up on the mountain.
		Actually, the cover of my book, it was that day.
		We were sitting on that mountain because we had chased some Taliban up that hill.
		And we were sitting up there, and this afghan looked at me and he just said, I hope that someday you can bring your family here on vacation.
		I hope that we can get it to that point.
unidentified		Wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And it really hit home to me.
		It's like, you know...
		We're all just alike.
		You know, we're all just alike.
		We all just want to live a great life, and we all just want to get along.
		I mean, if you don't get along, it's because you choose not to get along.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For people who don't understand the conflict in Afghanistan, explain what is happening and why we're over there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so, you know, basically Afghanistan, and it was the same thing in Iraq, too.
		I mean, you know, that's where these terrorist organizations were, right?
		And, you know, we're over there fighting alongside Afghanistan.
		We're over there fighting alongside Iraq.
		We're not fighting Iraq and fighting Afghanistan.
		We're fighting alongside both of those countries and trying to rebuild it up and trying to get rid of these terrorist cells that are inside those countries, you know?
		Like you said, I mean, everybody thinks that, you know, we're fighting Iraq and we're fighting Afghanistan, and it's not the case.
		We're alongside them, helping them rebuild their countries.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you go to Black Rifle Coffee in Salt Lake, you know, those guys are awesome.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They brought a bunch of former Afghani troops over, and they work for them over there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like a lot of the guys working in the factory.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're like, oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These guys are so close to these people, they brought them back and gave them jobs.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I just think most people don't really have a full picture of what's at stake and why it's even happening.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just don't want war, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They just don't want war, but it's like, you know, I mean, there's no way.
		I mean, you can go in your house and lock your doors and sit there and try to pretend that the evil that we fight doesn't exist, but it exists.
		It exists.
		It's there.
		It's there.
		And if we don't go fight it over there, it's going to come here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's another cliche that seems alien to people.
		It's a true statement.
		It's always been true throughout human history.
		But when you live in a country like America, we're so fortunate.
		It's so awesome here.
		Even when it sucks, it's awesome.
		In comparison to the rest of the world, a It's very rare that you have a place where you really can start at the bottom and make your way up to be a successful person.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, literally, you can start here and come from nothing and within your generation be the president of the United States.
		You could literally start from that.
		And it's the only country on the face of the planet.
		And I tell people all the time, like, you know, just because, you know, we get so caught up.
		Like right now is like an emotional time for America.
		Right.
		It's getting ready.
		I call it the draining time.
		You know, from now until, you know, November, you know, until the election time, it's going to be draining.
		Right.
		And everybody's getting so emotional and fired up.
		And, you know, and it's like, you know, like it's going to be whatever.
		But the cool part is, is that this country, like from all of us in the military, from all our first responders, our police officers, you know, we're the only country on the face of the planet that doesn't swear allegiance to a person We swear allegiance to a document to a piece of paper and And that's what allows us to be us.
		That's what allows us to not have one person come in and be able to change up this idea that we have of democracy, of freedom.
		And that's something that's just, it's incredible.
		That's what keeps our country the way it is, right?
		Like, there's not, you know, the people will always be in charge here.
		And you know what?
		Most of America, most, 99% of America is incredible.
		It's incredible.
		And you know what?
		They're stopping and they're helping people and it's just the loud ones that make it look like it's all chaotic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, people love to point out the horrible aspects and they love to ignore the good aspects.
		They love to dwell on the bad parts.
		And I think ultimately that's going to prove to be good for everybody because those people that are Highlighting all these bad things, then everybody else has to think about it, and we'll slowly but surely evolve and come to an understanding and make the world a better place.
		It's a way better place now than it was 100 years ago or 200 years ago, and I think this is a – I mean, Steven Pinker talks about this all the time in his books, and he's criticized for it because a lot of people don't like the idea that things are getting better.
		They want to I think the most important focal point if we want to have a good world is concentrate on the good aspects and how amazing it really is that we have this incredible ability to express ourselves, this incredible ability to prosper.
		I mean, people don't get the same share or the same stake in life.
		A lot of people get a terrible opening hand of cards.
		But you can improve.
		And this is one of the rare places in the world where you can, if you're so inclined, if you have the discipline, if you can figure it out emotionally, if you can figure it out in terms of what you want to do in your life, you can live a healthy and successful life in this country.
		It's possible.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's 100%.
		100%.
		Like, nobody's holding you down, right?
		Like, you have the choice to be able to do that.
		You have the choice to go out.
		Every opportunity is here.
		Like, there's no other country that has more opportunities than the United States of America.
		Especially, I mean, for anybody.
		And I agree with you.
		I think that this society has gotten into this place of where we're trying to out-victimize each other.
		Like, who can be the bigger victim?
		Who's had it harder?
		Yeah.
		And, you know, it's – the thing that I also believe is that with technology and all this is the empathy, like suffering has became normal for people, right?
		Like it's became entertainment.
		Look at reality TV. People's messed up lives.
		That's entertainment for people now.
		Video games.
		I talk about this all the time about war.
		We came back and war has now been romanticized.
		It's been romanticized that it's this cool image of like, I hear people say, I just want to go kick in doors and shoot people in the face.
		And it's like, well, you've probably never done it then.
		And it's like, we've got our kids playing video games of the stuff that keeps me awake at night.
		And it's like, you know, at what point do we start humanizing these things?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you see one of those crazy video games, those first-person shooters involved in war, does that bring back memories?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, does it irritate you?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		You know, I think that what's not put out there is, you know, I hear kids talking about, hey, you know, did you use this or did you use this or did, you know, you hear people say, well, did you kill somebody, right?
		It's like kids.
		To me, that bothers me.
		Because there's nothing cool about taking another human's life.
		And when you're playing video games and it's like, oh, I got this many kills.
		These kids are just watching this screen over and over.
		And the more graphic it gets, the less desensitized that we have to another human being suffering.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, the more desensitized.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, desensitized, right?
		Like, the more desensitized, and then you start, you know, the more the movies go, and the more, I mean, you know, I think that, like, we've just, like, we've pushed ourselves away from, you know, from being empathetic to, hey, these are real people.
		These are real people's lives.
		We've stopped looking at people and saying, this is someone's child.
		This is someone's mother.
		This is someone's son.
		We've gotten away from that.
		The old art that I was always told to live by is treat someone as you'd want to be treated yourself.
		And if you were in those shoes, and every time I pass somebody, every time I see somebody suffering, I always look at that and be like, well, what would I want somebody to do if they see my daughter suffering?
		Or my son suffering, right?
		I mean, look at all these times that I see these people holding their video cameras up in their video and somebody, like, getting just beat.
		And it's like, how do you do that and not help?
		How does that not just suck everything out of you to not want to do something?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that happens to people in crowds, unfortunately.
		And it's also the same thing that I think when you're filming something that's happening in real life is the same thing that you've seen in these video games and on television shows.
		I mean, we have never had more violence in film form and in video game form ever.
unidentified		Ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But yet we've never had less violence violence.
		Like, how many people who play these games and have seen people get shot over and over and over and over again have never seen a body?
		Never seen anybody get severely wounded or shot.
		And so to them, getting shot and shooting people is always...
		It's...
		It's almost like empty.
		It's like bang, bang, bang.
		There's the guy.
		He comes out of the budges.
		Bang, bang, bang.
		You shoot him.
		Here comes this guy.
unidentified		Bang, bang, bang.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You shoot him.
		And it doesn't feel like anything.
		And then you shut it off and you have a sandwich and you turn it on again.
		You do it again.
		So you're experiencing this thing that's empty.
		It's like you're pretending to drink water, but there's nothing in the glass.
		You just keep doing it over and over again.
		And then you get some real water and you're like, oh, this is different.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		This is different.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not even a good analogy.
		That's a terrible analogy.
		But the analogy of numbing, that people are numbed to this fake violence and have no experience with the real stuff.
		So they think of the real stuff the same way they think of the fake stuff.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They do.
		And sometimes when they see it, they still are numb.
		They still can't act, right?
		Right.
		It's kind of like, imagine, the way I look at it is, you look at all these simulators, like flight simulators.
		I mean, there's all this virtual reality, right, that people are using this for actually training.
		And so, like, you don't think that it's the same way when you're doing this?
		And then you've got games that come out like Grand Theft Auto.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, where you're just running around and you're...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shooting hookers, running people over.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Shooting hookers and running.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, how does that...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		How has anything positive come from that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		How is anything positive?
		Yeah.
		It's...
		We're a weird culture.
		And then...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could see all the violence you want.
		Like, I watched John Wick 3 last night.
		I finally finished it.
		Jesus Christ.
		Three quarters of the way through, I'm like, how many fucking people have they killed?
		This is so ridiculous.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just a murder fest.
		It's murder porn.
		That's what it's like.
unidentified		It's murder porn.
		Isn't it?
		Kinda?
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the crazy thing is, like, that kind of violence is unheard of.
		But yet...
		You don't show sex.
		Like, you could show people's brains exploding.
		But if you showed a girl's pussy and a penis going inside of it, people would...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Get that off the air!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		To one thing that doesn't hurt anybody and that everybody wants.
		That would be horrific to show.
		Like, if you had a film with Brad Pitt and...
		Give me a hot woman actress.
		Jamie, you know hot women actresses.
		Who's the one?
		Scarlett Johansson.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Scarlett Johansson and Brad Pitt have a sex scene and they actually fucking get after it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you see it and you see her feet up in the air and you'd be like, what are we watching?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		This is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But yet you could see Brad Pitt, spoiler alert, if you see that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, is that the name of it?
		He beats a woman to death, smashing her face against a mantle of a fucking fireplace.
		And you're like, holy fuck!
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
unidentified		But just fuck it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, whoa!
		That's fine.
		But if you fucked Scarlett Johansson, you saw her asshole.
		You'd be like, what?
		I see her actual asshole.
		This is crazy.
		Get this up.
		You should go to jail.
		It's weird.
		Things that everybody wants to do.
		Like, we all want sex.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Everybody likes sex.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nobody likes beating someone to death with their fucking head off a mantle.
		I mean, that's a daughter, too.
		That's somebody's daughter.
		Fucking we're weird, bro.
		We're so weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		We are weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when you look at it like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		We are so weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how outrageous it would be if Scarlett Johansson and Brad Pitt had an actual sex scene in a movie?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If they just fucked.
		They said, listen, I like her.
		She likes me.
		Let's do this.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she was like, let's do it.
		Fuck it.
		I'm ready.
		I'm ready to method act that actually happened in a movie called brown bunny It was a long time ago.
		There was a movie with Vincent Gallo and there was an actress her name is Chloe I forget how you say her name Svenji.
		How do you say it?
		Svenji, it's really good actress and he's a really good actor and for whatever reason they decided to do a sex scene where she gives him a real blowjob.
		Yeah, and And everybody who saw it in the theater was angry.
		All these critics were angry.
		They're like, this is fucking outrageous!
unidentified		This is terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it really killed his career.
		I mean, it killed her career a little bit too, I think.
		Definitely derailed it, but it fucking killed his career.
		Everybody thought he's a creep after that.
		It's weird!
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		A creep for something that everybody's done.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, everybody loves Keanu Reeves.
		And he's like...
		He's shooting people in the neck, in the asshole, in the face, in the eyeballs, in the mouth.
		He's cutting them up and stabbing them and throwing them off motorcycles like, fuck!
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's okay, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
		That's okay.
		But Vincent Gallo actually getting a legitimate blowjob.
		That's outrageous.
		That guy should be pulled out of Hollywood forever.
unidentified		Done.
unidentified		Done.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		He's terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who wants a blowjob?
		It's weird.
		We get freaked out about watching people do something that everybody wants to do.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's super weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you got, Jamie?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He produced, edited, directed cinematography of the video.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was his idea to get his dick sucked.
unidentified		He made the whole thing.
unidentified		I know!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He did make the whole thing.
		Like a self-produced sex tape.
		Try getting somebody else to do it.
		Try getting somebody, like, hey, in this scene, how about she actually sucks my dick for real?
		Oh, Vincent.
		No, no, no, really.
		Let's do this.
unidentified		For real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody would be like, get the fuck out of here.
		He probably had to film it and not let anybody know what was happening until after it was over.
		The crazy thing is he talked her into it.
		You imagine she'd be like, wait, what the fuck did you just say?
		But he talked her into it and she went with it.
		But that would be fine.
		But, you know, there's a scene in Apocalypse Now...
		Where there's a water buffalo and they kill the water buffalo with a machete.
		They used a real water buffalo and a real machete.
		They really killed the water buffalo for that scene.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and people went nuts, I bet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They went nuts.
		And they go nuts now.
		When people find out about it now, they freak out.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't even post anything on my Instagram of hunting because PETA would just, like, people would just tell you, like, oh, we should hunt you.
		We should shoot you with a bow and arrow.
		I mean, you know, but they can go watch people get killed.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No problem.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		No problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I very rarely post things.
		I posted the first elk I ever shot with a bow.
		I posted a picture of that because it's hard work, man.
		It was hard for me to do.
		I was proud of it.
		It was difficult, and I was going to eat that elk for a year, and I did eat it.
		And to me, that meant a lot to me.
		This is how I'm getting my meat now.
		This is my nutrition.
		I'm going to feed my family with this.
		But yeah, the comments are just ridiculous.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They're ridiculous, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just go crazy.
		But hey, you know...
		That's their trip.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		This is part of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, their trip is save the animals.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's got their own, it's interesting, like their own thing that gives them a sense of purpose that makes them feel like they're doing something that makes a difference and makes a change.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That matters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and for a lot of people it's that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, stop eating eggs.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, stop eating eggs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Good luck with that.
		My favorite is when they're rabid, fucking vicious, nasty vegans, and then like eight years later they give up.
		They start eating fish, and the next thing you know they get hard-ons again.
		It doesn't last.
		It's so fucking hard to just eat only plants.
		It's not the healthiest move for most people.
		I mean, everybody varies biologically, but for most people, it's not the healthiest move.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		But you know, you gotta give respect.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a vegan, that's discipline.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's discipline.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		100%.
		And I have friends that are vegan.
		My friend John Joseph, he's legit as fuck.
		He's been plant-based for more than 20 years.
		I think more than that, right?
		30 maybe even.
		20 years.
		Maybe 30 years.
		He's an animal.
		But for him, it's part of his discipline that helped him clean up.
		He was addicted to drugs.
		It helped him.
		He's done 10 Ironmans, and then a bunch of half Ironmans as well.
		So it's part of who he is as a man, his discipline.
		And part of his discipline applies to his diet.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, being a vegan, that's something I couldn't do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could do it.
		I'm sure you could.
		You don't want to do it.
		What you've done, you can probably do anything that people can do.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, the way I justify it is, I'm a vegetarian through secondhand sores.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, you're eating vegetarians.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So let's just do a secondhand source.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they count that.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		You know, it's, I don't know, man.
		It's one of those things where...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Even when I drink, it's from corn, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Anthony Bourdain used to get really angry about this.
		And one of the things that he said was, this is a first world problem.
		He's like, we are so fortunate that we have this problem.
		And in other countries, they're just trying to get enough protein to feed their family.
		They're just trying to get enough food to feed people.
		You know, and he was, it wasn't like he was indifferent to animals, but he was deeply concerned about people.
		You know, because of all his traveling, he had like a great deal of empathy for all these different people in these different cultures and their cuisine, and he had a tremendous amount of respect for it.
		Like, he would talk about it like it was religious to him almost, you know?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, you know, when we would go into villages and eat, I mean, if they had meat, like, that was a big deal.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, if they brought meat out to you, then they, you know, that was a huge deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you look at it, and it's just like, gosh, you know, we...
		We're over here complaining about stuff that most countries wish they had those problems.
		90% of the stuff we're complaining about, most countries wish they had those problems, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I get it.
		The people don't want those problems to exist, too.
		They want those problems to go away.
		They want a utopia.
		And the only way to build towards a utopia is to improve upon the problems that we have.
		And we do have problems across the board.
		But in comparison...
		I would just love some perspective from people.
		I would just love some...
		And I think that would go a long way to help people have more happiness.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		How do you wake up when all you do is focus on problems, right?
		It's kind of like...
		When you're working or you're at a job or you own a company, you're always just fixing, I call it putting out fires.
		And if that's all you do is constantly put out fires, at what point do you become grateful?
		At what point of the day do people stop and look around and they're grateful for what they have and they're appreciative of...
		I had a guy tell me, when I was going through my divorce, I was a train wreck.
		Just call Tim Kennedy and he'll tell you.
		You know, I'll never forget a guy sat me down.
		I was talking about all these problems and just nitpicking and fighting over the small stuff.
		And I mean, literally just, well, she worded it this way and she needs to do it this way.
		Like literally just every little thing.
		And a guy finally sat me down and he looked at me and he goes, look, Dakota, he said, if you can make choices or decisions to change it, Then it's not a problem.
		It's an inconvenience.
		The day that you can't make a choice, you've got cancer, your kid's sick, or something like that, he goes, that's the day you've got problems.
		Until then, you've just got inconveniences.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a great way to look at it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Until then, you just got inconveniences, and I was like, you're right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a great way to look at it because there's levels of problems, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's insurmountable problems, cancer, injuries, things of that nature, car accidents, insurmountable.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, I think I'm so fortunate to have gone through the experiences that I have because each one of them...
		It's all perspective.
		It changes my perspective on the way I look at things.
		It changes the things that are important to me.
		I always call it, everybody's got their lens of life.
		And that lens of life, your lens of life looks different than mine.
		Mine looks different than yours.
		We all have our own lens of life.
		And at the point, we get so focused and get into autopilot And it'll focus on, you know, it's kind of like your camera.
		You pull it up and you got it on autofocus.
		It never focuses on what you want it focused on, right?
		Until you go back to the manual focus and you push where it's at.
		And I feel like all these problems that we have are just made to, hey, we need to tighten our lens back up to focus on what really, really, really matters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I think sometimes people need to hear it from someone like you, or someone like Jocko.
		The beautiful thing about these podcasts is that you get to hear people's perspective, and a lot of them are eye-opening.
		They literally can change the world because they change the way you behave and you interact with people when you listen to it.
		And that podcast that you did with Jocko when I was listening to it, it changed my whole day.
		It changed how I was going to look at my day.
		Instead of looking at my day like, oh, it's a normal day, I was thinking, God damn, I'm lucky.
		God damn, I'm lucky.
		And God damn, imagine experiencing what you...
		And how old were you at the time?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I was 21. 21 years old.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And experiencing what you experienced in that insane firefight being locked down and...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how many guys did you wind up engaging with?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You know, I don't know.
		I mean, every one day I got an opportunity with, right?
		And it just, you know, it was just a...
		It was so chaotic.
		I think about it all the time, obviously.
		It's something I could have never experienced.
		I trained for war every single day when I was in the Marine Corps.
		It was what my job was.
		I still could have never imagined that day the way it was or anything to turn out.
		I could have never pictured it.
		I think every day it goes by, I think there's a reckoning of it.
		The way that I've seen it that day is not the way I see it today.
		And, um, I think that comes with, you know, just, just sharpening and just your body, you know, you change and you, you see different things in perspective, but yeah, I mean, you know, I, I, I, you know, that day, I mean, it's still, I mean,
		it's still, it's just, you know, just, it's just, there's so many lessons that come from that day that, that, you know, I look at people complaining about stuff here in America and it's like, I've seen him one day, the best of humans, the worst of humans, and nobody thought they were wrong.
		It's just one of those deals.
		That day was just...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's an important point, what you just said.
		Nobody thought they were wrong.
		Not them, not you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I... And it changed me that day.
		Like, I walked in there that day, and I was the guy who was cocky, who would tell you, you know, I love fighting.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, I... Like, I just want to go fight.
		Like, you know, but every fight I had before that, it was like, you know, I always had airplanes sitting, you know, or helicopters sitting around.
		I always had, you know, it was like, I'm going to go in there and start the fight and then I'm going to call in all this other stuff to win, right?
		And that day it wasn't there and literally I walked out of there and I just think about all the time today, I just think about all the time of how many generations just that day were changed.
		How many generations of people's lives were changed.
		You know, all my teammates died, so they'll never have kids.
		That generation stopped.
		Their families forever existed.
		So many lives were changed that day by that piece.
		And guess what?
		Everybody in America had no clue what was going on.
		Like right now, there are US troops.
		Somebody wondering if they're going to be able to come home and see their family again.
		That's reality.
		Whether you want to ignore it or not, that's reality.
		And that was me, September 8, 2009. And it was just a chaotic day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing how you could have thousands of days in your life and one day changes the way you look at everything.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		One day changes the way you look at everything.
		And you know, the further I go on, I look at it different.
		I always talk about this story of...
		You know, whenever this guy came up behind me and I ended up killing him with a rock.
		And...
		I always remember just like I remember it like I see it every night like I remember like I just see his face and I got just because there was a point There's a point that I feel like that anybody that when they whether they're injured or Anything like they realize they're defeated like they like it like I don't know I just think there's a point when you look at somebody and they know they're gonna die and I'll never forget that and I you know now I look at it and I see it and I always think that like This
		guy is a son to somebody.
		His mother and father are gonna miss him.
		This guy...
		He believes in his cause as much as I do.
		He doesn't believe he's wrong.
		This guy...
		This guy...
		He...
		He could have had a wife or kids that are never going to see their father again.
		Just like, you know, my dad might have never seen me again if it was switched.
		And really, I don't even know.
		I don't hate him.
		I don't even know this guy.
		We're just here at this place right now because we were born in two different countries.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Were you out of weapons?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Were you out of ammo?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		No, he came up and he started choking me.
		I had shot him once before, and I was trying to pick my buddy Dada Ali.
		One of my closest Afghans, Dada Ali, had been shot.
		He had been killed, and I came around this terrace to get him, and I was on my knee, and this guy came up behind me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he didn't have a weapon either?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		No, he did.
		He had a weapon, and I ended up shooting him from the ground.
		I thought he was dead when he fell on the ground and I kind of moved down and got down with Dada Lee because we I was still getting shot at from this machine gun up on this hill and I was trying to make myself small as I could and This guy ends up coming up and choking me like I thought he was I thought he was dead and he ends up choking me out he starts trying to choke me out and Eventually let up a little bit and I end up getting around him and I just got we were fighting back and forth and I can remember all I was thinking about was like don't let his legs get on me
		like you know these guys their legs are I mean they've been crawling up mountains her whole life and he was a he was a pretty big dude and I I just remember getting on top of him finally got on top of him and I was rolling on top of him he didn't have all the gear on I did and I remember getting on top of him like I was straddling him and I'm just reaching up trying to grab for anything I can and I'm holding him and holding him down with my forearm and I'm just grabbing anything I can and finally I ended up grabbing a rock and I just
		started beating this dude's face in and I started beating and beating and beating and I remember just like Finally like after hitting him, you know, I don't know three or four times four or five times whatever I Remember him like finally just kind of looking at me and like just it's it's like he's like just I'm just looking him in the eyes like obviously closer than me to you right now and You just see all the you can tell like he knows where this is going And I always think about that, you know?
		Obviously, I would kill him a million times over again, right?
		He was the enemy.
		Like, I don't feel bad about that part of it.
		But I just think about, like, in that moment, if I can find a way to relate to him in that moment, a man I'm taking his life, we all in America can find a way to connect with each other.
		If we don't connect with each other, it's because we choose not to.
		I don't care what your differences are.
		Like, don't, like, find a reason of why we can get along, not why we should not get along.
		And I always think about that moment, you know, of this guy and, you know, he obviously ended up dying.
		And what it showed me was, is that no cause that you have that's built on hate will survive.
		I didn't hate this guy.
		I didn't even know him.
		But I was willing to take his life because of what I loved.
		And that's what we have to build our lives and our foundation on, is not being angry and hating each other, but because we love the cause that we believe in so much.
		Does that make sense?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It does make sense.
		I understand what you're saying.
		The way they look at it in Afghanistan, this...
		So it's...
		Is it Al-Qaeda or the Taliban?
unidentified		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So Al-Qaeda is mainly in...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So Al-Qaeda was in Iraq.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So Al-Qaeda is the issue that's in Iraq, and the Taliban is the issue that's in Afghanistan.
		And the Taliban, what are they trying to do?
		Are they trying to run a religious caliphate?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, they just want...
		They want to run it the way that they want to, right?
		Like, they want to...
		They don't want...
		They don't believe in, you know, women being educated.
		I mean, they don't believe in any...
		Like, they don't believe in, you know, they go back to their beliefs of, you know, it's driven by religion, of all that control.
		They want the control.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how much support do they have from the general population?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think, not necessarily the support, because I think that it's not necessarily the support, it's the power that they have, right?
		Like, they come in and they lead with a heavy hand, right?
		I mean, there's these, they don't, these, these, these, the locals run the place.
		But the Taliban is kind of like, look at it like a gang, right?
		Like kind of like a mob or like the Taliban is kind of like the cartel, right?
		And so that's where they come from and they try to lead with violence and same thing that you would see with the cartel.
		Taliban is kind of like a big cartel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so the general population, they would like that to not be the case.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They want a system of democracy similar to what we have?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know that they want that, but I don't think...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They want something better than what they have.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		I mean, I think they all see that they live in shitholes, right?
		They all see...
		I think that they know how it could be better and how life could be better, you know?
		Yeah.
		The cool thing about America is that we know what freedom is.
		And I promise you this, like, you want to have all the differences stop.
		If anybody ever invaded us, I mean, people don't want to give anything up.
		So they would all start fighting.
		Everybody would get on the same page and start fighting if anybody tried to come to America because nobody would want to give up their stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, post 9-11.
		Do you remember that?
		You were a younger guy.
		How old were you at 9-11?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I was in the 8th grade, and I always say I would never wish for another 9-11, but I would give anything for a 9-12.
unidentified		Hmm.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I would give anything for a 9-12.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was crazy.
		People were friendly.
		People were letting people in in traffic.
		American flags were everywhere.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Everywhere.
		Everywhere.
		People were proud of America.
		It was crazy.
		It was crazy how on NSYNC everybody was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard for people who weren't there on those days to understand the mood of the country.
		It was a different world.
		People were patriotic.
		Everybody was.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't necessarily remember what it was like before the day of 9-11, so I don't have much perspective on that, but I do remember 9-12.
		I remember...
		I mean, everybody was proud to be Americans.
		I mean, everybody was.
		Everybody was proud of our country and who we are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was like a switch had turned.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It was.
		And isn't that the way it goes, though?
		When something tragic happens, isn't that the way it goes?
		We refocus on what really matters.
		All these differences go away, but we come back to what matters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's something that a lot of people who experience war...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		have said that this is where they felt the most connected because their life was literally in danger and because they knew because they had lost loved ones to this thing they had lost brothers to this thing that this was real and that to this day that is the most exciting and happiest time of their life because they were so connected Sebastian Junger wrote about this in a movie book Tribe yeah have you read it?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I haven't read it.
		It's very good and it probably would speak to a lot of the exact same things that you say But you know, I find the same thing, not the same thing, obviously, because my life's not in danger.
		And I hope that I never have to go a day where my life's in danger again.
		And I find the same appreciation back here in a country that...
		That I love.
		I can...
		You know, I narrowed it down because I had to come up with a reason of, like, why, you know...
		I mean, it's hard to sit here and watch the valleys that you fought for and then the government go and give those valleys back to the Taliban, you know?
		There's this one video me and my buddy were laughing about the other day.
		A base that he had been on and he shows me this video and it's, like, literally the treadmills that were in the gym there.
		It's a Taliban guy running on our treadmills, right?
		Like, they had left it there.
		And we're just like...
		Whoa.
		And I always think about, because if you get down in the weeds of it, you'll get upset about that valley.
		Did my teammates' sacrifice really change your life?
		If they hadn't sacrificed that day, would your life be changed?
		Because that's what we're fighting for is America.
		I always looked at it like this, and I came to peace with it.
		All we were trying to do, anywhere we went when I served and I wore the nation's cloth, I got the best opportunity.
		When people thank me for my service, I'm like, don't thank me.
		I appreciate you letting me represent America, be the away team for the United States of America.
		I got to wear the nation's cloth in so many countries.
		But I always...
		I justify it as all we tried to do, no matter whether we were passing out soccer balls to kids, or we were going in and providing security for a whale, or we were taking out an enemy combatant, all we were trying to do was make that part of the world that we were in a better place.
		That's all we were trying to do.
		We're trying to leave it better than we found it that moment.
		And if we take that same concept and we apply it here, And we all go over and do it for the person on the left and the right of us.
		And if we use that same concept, you can apply it here in America every day.
		Every single day, you can make this world just a little bit better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people in this country that don't think we should be nation-building in other countries.
		Including people like Tulsi Gabbard, who served, but then you got people like Dan Crenshaw, who I've had on the podcast, who, his perspective is, you have to go over there.
		Like, you can't allow these groups to get more powerful and gain more control.
		You just can't.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You can't.
		You can't.
		And if not us, then who?
		And the thing is, is America's a beacon of hope across the world.
		America's a beacon of hope.
		And you can notice when America's strong, everybody hates us.
		When America's weak, the world suffers.
		And I'm not saying we need to go in and fight everybody's battle, obviously, right?
		But on the backside of it, you know, we're not necessarily going in and fighting for other countries, but we do have an obligation to go and help People.
		Like you take Syria when they are gassing.
		When they are gassing kids and women.
		If nobody else is going to go send rockets in there, if nobody else is going to go hold somebody accountable for it, there's nobody that's serving, that's wearing the uniform, that's not gladly gassing.
		Doing that and gonna go hold them accountable for it has nothing to do with anything other than good and evil and If we don't go fight the evil then who's gonna do it?
		Who's gonna do it?
		And we don't want the evil to get bigger You don't want the evil to get bigger You don't want the evil to to to progress and you don't want the evil to to think that they can I mean imagine you see what they're doing right now and and I think the world knows that that America will come and show up and And you see how they're still going.
		Imagine if they didn't have to worry about us doing it.
		Imagine what they would look like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think you can imagine better than most.
		That's part of the problem is that when you're in Catlabasus, You know, going to the mall, you know, getting yourself a fucking smoothie.
		It doesn't seem real.
		You know, and you can have all these opinions about what we should be doing, you know, and that we need to stop these warmongers, we need to stop this and stop that.
		And I've had those opinions myself in the past and gone back and forth.
		And the only thing that's changed my mind is I listen to people that actually know.
		I think it's one of the most important things you could ever do.
		And don't try to form an opinion if you don't really have any facts or any real understanding.
		I've done that in the past too.
		I've made those mistakes.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you this.
		You look at 9-11.
		Thousands of people died and none of them volunteered.
		To give their country for their life that day, except obviously the first responders.
		You look since 9-11, besides a couple attacks that's been in America, but you look since 9-11, everybody that's given their life overseas has volunteered to do that.
		They volunteered to go fight the evil.
		And for us to go over there and do that and keep it off the country, to keep it out of our country, to keep it to where our kids and our families and our mothers and fathers don't have to worry about this.
		I mean, obviously it could happen anywhere, but I can't think that us being over there and giving them a place to fight us Has not helped this country keep from being attacked multiple times if we had not gone over there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a hard pill for people to swallow, right?
		They don't want to think that.
		They want to think the reason why they would attack us is because we're over there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, you know what?
		I mean, why did we get attacked on 9-11?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		These people hate us just because they hate us.
		There was that one worker that said, oh, we should go over there and get them more jobs and more opportunities.
		No, these people don't care.
		These people wake up every day and try to think of a way to kill us.
		There's no negotiating with these people.
		These people are evil.
		These people will do nasty things to human beings that you couldn't even imagine, you couldn't make a video game about.
		You look at some of this ISIS stuff of what they're doing.
		I mean, putting somebody in a cage and burning them?
		You want to be empathetic to that?
		Throwing people because of their sexual preference off the top, tying their hands and legs together and throwing them off the top of a building?
		These are the type of people that, this is the type of evil that we're going after.
		And if we don't do it, who's going to do it?
		Who's going to do it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's possible that this all could be resolved someday?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe if it's not our children, our children's children, do you think it's possible?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everybody says that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the most disheartening things about any kind of conflict.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, if you look at any of the books that came before us, this is what you get.
		This is just part of any, at any point in time there's conflict going on.
		It'll never be resolved.
		It'll never be resolved.
		It will never be resolved.
		So it's like a maintenance program.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard for people to swallow, right?
		Because people want to think that the reason why it'll never be resolved is because the military-industrial complex wants to keep us at war and this is just a big money grab and that's all they're trying to do is the reason why they have us over there is they're sending people over there to die so they can make money.
		This is how people love to look at it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think it's just because everybody wants to find a reason.
		Everybody wants a reason that they can touch, feel, and blame.
		They want something to blame.
		And they...
		You know, there's nothing to blame except the people who are doing this.
		And it exists.
		And it's real.
		And these are real people.
		And you know what?
		We're just so lucky that we have an all-volunteer military with some of the greatest people that's ever walked the face of the planet who are willing to go do this.
		Who are willing to do it on mining your behalf.
		I mean, how cool is that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty wild when you think about it, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it's a complete volunteer army.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Volunteer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Complete volunteer military.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		These people are willing to raise their right hand to a piece of paper, to an idea of democracy.
		Go over.
		They put their whole life on hold.
		Their wives sacrifice.
		I mean, you take military spouses.
		And they sacrifice, if not more than the veterans and the service members.
		And they're willing to go over and fight for mining your freedom.
		They've never met us, but they're willing to give their lives for it.
		Think about this.
		I challenge people who are listening to this.
		Can you name one thing right now that you're willing to give your life for?
		Think about that.
		What would you give your life for right now?
		Somebody pulled a gun out.
		You know you're going to die.
		What would you give your life for?
		I mean, these people are willing to go do it on the idea of democracy, on the idea of me and you, on the idea of good.
		It's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you signed up, how old were you?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		17. You were 17. Wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I had my 18th birthday in boot camp.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you can do that?
unidentified		I thought you had to be 18. No.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I graduated high school at 17 and my dad signed for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, someone can sign for you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And did you have any other aspirations or was that something that you knew you were going to do?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, a Marine recruiter told me I'd never make it as a Marine.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Boy, was he fucking wrong.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		He told me I was walking through my lunchroom.
		I don't have any cool stories like, oh, I woke up and knew I was going to be a Marine.
		I was walking through the lunchroom and this Marine recruiter was there.
		I started asking him a lot of smart-aleck questions and just being a typical high school student.
		And he's like, look, you're wasting my time.
		You'd never make it as a Marine.
		And, you know, look, I was up for the challenge, so I signed up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So him saying that was what really stirred him?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was it.
unidentified		Wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even really know what the Marine Corps was before that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you think you were signing up for?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, I just told him I wanted to go fight.
unidentified		Wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, holy smokes.
		You know, but you think about that.
		Like, our whole life is built off decisions.
		You know, our decisions, our control.
		We are today where we deserve to be because we made the decisions up to this point.
		And that's a hard pill to swallow, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's variable, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's some things that are out of your control.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		There are, but...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		But a lot of it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You can't control situations and circumstances, but you can control how you take it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can control your response.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You can control your response.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Growing up like that, I mean, you're growing up in combat.
		You're growing up at 18 years old.
		I mean, I was a fucking baby when I was 18. You're growing up in combat.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I did, yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I guess if you look at it like that, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you are here now 10 years after what we were talking about.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you said it still keeps you up.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I wake up, you know, a couple nights a month and just, you know, an anxiety attack, throwing up.
		I was actually speaking last week.
		I was on the road.
		It's the first time, you know, I always, like, I'm always nervous.
		Like, if in the middle of the night my daughter gets scared or she, you know, she comes down and gets in my bed, like, I'm always really, like, nervous about that because, like, I don't, I would, like, I was so nervous about it because I was just, gosh, I never want them to see me in that state, right?
		The other day we were on the road.
		I was speaking out in North Carolina.
		We were in a hotel, so she was staying with me.
		I don't know.
		I didn't feel good that night, so what I did is I put a pillow between us.
		Gosh, I had one.
		I knocked my tooth off.
		I knocked my veneer off.
		It was so terrible.
		She just looked at me.
		She's three.
		She just looked at me and said, It's okay, Daddy.
		You're not a bad dad.
		At three.
		At three.
		And I was like, gosh, you know?
		But yeah, I mean, you still...
		I mean, this is...
		That's why you look at it and I see these people who play these video games and they get nothing from it.
		Like, there's no emotional attachment to it.
		And it's like...
		This stuff's real.
		There's nobody who...
		I would go out on a limb and say there's nobody who sees this stuff and you don't come back and deal with it.
		It's a normal process to being part of not normal situations.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What kind of resources are available to you when you do come back?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do they treat people that are suffering from PTSD and Well, you've got to be careful with it, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Because, I mean, the last track you want to get on is all the pharmaceutical drugs, right?
		Like the pills and stuff.
		And you'll get on that real quick.
		The VA is notorious for it.
		So, you know, we...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do they try to give you?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I... Cullodopin, Xanax.
		I've been on tons of blood pressure medicine.
		I mean, you go down the list, right?
		And...
		I went down that road and it got me nowhere.
		But now, there's tons of non-profits out there who are doing a lot of great stuff, trying to help out.
		One thing that we found out, and actually studies are starting to show that this helps, is it's called a stellagangling block.
		It's called SGB. It's a stellagangling block.
		You get a shot.
		It goes in your neck.
		I'll tell you this.
		When I got that shot...
		Before the needle came out of my neck, Dr. Sean Mulvaney is the guy that's putting all this together.
		When the needle came out of my neck, it instantly took me from being like my whole life was downtown New York City in rush hour traffic, 15 minutes late to a meeting that my life depended on, to instantly being driving down a quiet country road with nowhere to be.
		Really?
		Instantly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is it doing?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So basically what it does is, this is how it was described to me, and you have like two systems.
		You have like your automatic nervous system and then you have your manual, right?
		So your automatic is like your eyes blinking, breathing, things like that.
		Your manual is like, hey, I need to reach over here and grab this bottle of water.
		And what happens is, is fight or flight gets stuck in your automated, like there's no longer do you say, I recognize this as a threat and now I go into fight or flight.
		So what it does is you've been in that so long that it gets put over into the automatic side.
		And so what this does is it's kind of like a restart.
		There's nothing that lasts long in it.
		It goes in and it basically, I think it gets on, it's called the sciatic nerve, and it basically gives you a restart.
		And it just took away all my anxiety.
		I mean, it just instantly...
		Like, just melted it away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long does it last?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So it comes down to, I mean, sometimes I get one a year, one every six months, but it just comes down to, do you go back and expose yourself to these chaotic situations, right?
		Like, do you go keep making bad decisions?
		But for me, I look at it as a solution to...
		I call it the flashbang of anxiety.
		So it's that flashbang that gives you the moment, the separation, to where now I can make decisions that I don't feel like I'm out of control.
		Now I can make decisions to get things back together.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is the actual chemical that they're using?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I would have to look.
unidentified		He's got an article about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy that it's so effective.
		Using stellate ganglion block to treat post-traumatic stress disorder.
		Make that a little bigger, Jamie.
		Post-traumatic stress disorder develops in response to being exposed to extreme stress.
		The sympathetic nervous system, fight or flight, has been known to play a part in PTSD. It's believed that extra nerves of the system sprout or grow after extreme trauma.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Leading to elevated levels of Norepinephrine, an adrenaline-like substance which in turn over activates the amygdala, the fear center of the brain.
		This chain of events results in PTSD symptoms that may persist for years.
		So, part of the sympathetic nervous system called the stellate ganglion, a collective of nerves in the neck, seems to control the activation of the amygdala.
		A recent innovation offers potential in rapidly treating symptoms of PTSD for a prolonged period of time, placing an anesthetic agent on the stellate ganglion in an anesthetic procedure called the stellate ganglion block.
		Wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Before the needle is out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And lasts for years.
		The SGB reboots the sympathetic nervous system to its pre-trauma state, similar to a computer reboot in the brain.
		Norepinephrine levels are rapidly reduced, and the extra nerve growth is removed.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		SGB is an anesthetic procedure that has been performed since 1925 and is considered a low-risk pain procedure done under x-ray guidance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So Dr. Sean Mulvaney is the guy.
		I've been to other doctors, and Dr. Mulvaney is the only guy I would go to who does it the way...
		He's got the whole procedure set up.
		He was a Navy SEAL. He's a doctor.
		He does it out of D.C. Most people hadn't heard of this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of this.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I went in and he called me the next day and he was like, so how do you feel?
		I said, man, I caught myself singing in the shower this morning.
		Like, I caught myself singing in the shower.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What were you singing?
unidentified		I don't know.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember.
		But I was like, man, I caught myself singing in the shower.
		Like, I actually...
		Like, I walked out of there and I... And to me, you know, I got to a point...
		At that point, like...
		I got to a low point.
		And I just...
		There's nothing in my life I can complain about.
		This country has given me a life that I could have never dreamed to ever have.
		I have no problems.
		Zero.
		And I just woke up every day and I was just like, I just don't want to wake up feeling like this.
		And so he's like, come do this.
		Come do this.
		And I came out there and did it and it changed my whole life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That sounds infinitely better than therapy or talking through it or any of the other methods I've ever heard of.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, I think all that matters.
		I think the therapy, like if you want to go do talk therapy, that's good.
		Like you should do that.
		But I always tell people who go do talk therapy, like go in there with a plan of where you want your life to be.
		Like, it's like going to a nutrition coach or a workout coach and not giving them goals.
		Right.
		You know, don't go in there just to go in there.
		Like, go in there with a plan.
		You know, and have them help you get to that plan.
		But this, this is instantly just like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
		Now, do they try to do that in conjunction with medication?
		Is it just a standalone thing?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Standalone thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Standalone thing.
		You know, the only thing I do to help mine and my anxiety is like, it can get bad.
		Like, I'm talking bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you say that, what happens?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the process?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I usually feel it building up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Over days?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, days.
		It's almost like it'll come and it just builds up.
		You'll have a little bit of an anxiety attack or whatever.
		You'll start feeling anxiety or anxious.
		That becomes your new baseline.
		Then it keeps building.
		People don't recognize it.
		And for a long time, I used to drink a lot, because I didn't know what anxiety was.
		I mean, what do you mean?
		This is how I feel all the time.
		And then what usually happens is at night, when I go to sleep, it'll rock me.
		It'll rock me.
		I'll start throwing up.
		I'll be sweating.
		I'll be crying.
		Like, I mean, I'll be in the floor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, are you thinking things when this is happening?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or is it just an overwhelming sense of anxiety just all-encompassing?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I just, I don't know where it comes from.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously, I know where it comes from.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But are you thinking about war while this is happening?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, I think it just in my subconscious, I think, you know, obviously your brain is always trying to Like when you're asleep trying to file things and process things and I think that's what happens is like consciously you know You know consciously it doesn't bother me to talk about it Like yeah,
		I went back and I was in another gunfight four days later and I mean literally I was Packing up all my teammates stuff and getting ready to go back to fight again and I got into another gunfight and I think that, you know, coming home, your brain's still trying to process all that stuff.
		And I think it happens to anybody.
		You don't have to go to war.
		You could be in a car wreck.
		I mean, you look at the October 1st shooting in Vegas.
		You know, you can go through anything, right?
		Like, whatever.
		I think that's what people are dealing with, and it's just...
		I think that's why you see so much anxiety across the world is because of all this desensitization consciously and people are processing it subconsciously.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		That really makes sense, that they're taking in all this information.
		They think it's not affecting them at all, but it really is.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I think that's why you see all these people feeling like their lives are out of control.
		And it's because, consciously, like, we're not sitting here talking about it.
		Like, well, yeah, yeah, you know, I seen a car wreck the other day, or, you know, so-and-so died, or, you know what I mean?
		And it's like, they're not ever processing it consciously, but their body will, like, your body will, I always say, you can either exorcise your demons, or they're going to exorcise you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a great way to put it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do they recommend when you, I mean, do they check on you to see if you are having anxiety or do you have to come to them and explain it?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you just, you go to them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does anybody get through it without anxiety?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I, like, I would worry about the people that got through it without it.
		I mean, you know what I mean?
		Right.
		I mean, if you can go kill people and not get through it without nightmares or anything, you know.
		But I think some people do.
		I mean, I think people just deal with it different ways.
unidentified		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		But me, you know, I used to drink a lot, but I was doing it not because I was an alcoholic.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I was doing it as a, I just, I had rather, I could regulate my drinking better than I could the effects of what medicine would do to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, do the Marines have a system that they, will they check on you and make sure you're okay or guide you into a specific type of treatment when they know there's something wrong?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, but you know the problem is for all these war fighters is like they don't want to go talk about it or tell the Marine Corps because then they're, you know, or the military, I'll just say military-wide, you know, they look at you as, well, now this person can't operate.
		Everybody's too worried to talk about this because they're afraid of not being able to do their job because they're afraid that somebody will look at them and say, oh, well, you got PTSD, so you don't need a gun.
		And it's like, you know, Most people that have PTSD are car wreck victims.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the biggest source of PTSD? Yeah, you can Google it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		See, the biggest source of PTSD is car wreck victims.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's probably a lot of those, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Tons of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So when you do have an issue, how do you go from having an issue to getting treatment?
		What's the process?
unidentified		Okay.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		If you tell your command, there's all types of resources there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you have to speak out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
		Nobody wants to talk out because if you start talking, then how quick is your job going to be gone?
		I got out.
		I was out so fast after all this happened.
		I was out seven or eight months afterwards.
		I didn't realize what was going on until I probably never started dealing with my PTSD until 2016. I thought this was just normal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What made you change?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		My daughters.
		My daughter, Sailor.
		I can remember the day I was actually in the floor just having an anxiety attack like crazy.
		And I was like, I gotta do something.
		I've gotta do something because my daughters, they deserve the best father possible.
		They had no choice in coming in this world.
		I might not want to deal with it and face it for myself, but they deserve for me to wake up every single day and give them the best father that they could possibly have.
		That is my responsibility to them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that when you first got this shot, this block?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So I ended up getting it in 2017. Yeah, 2017, I think.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And I didn't know anything about it until, you know, once I found out about it, I did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you find out about it?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Just another warrior that had gotten it, and it worked for them.
		And I also use, so I use three methods to maintain all of it.
		I use the stellar ganglion block, which is kind of, when it gets real bad, I'll go get that.
		That's like the whole reboot, right?
		For maintenance, I usually use, it's called an alpha stem, and so it goes on your earlobes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People quit smoking with that, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		It's usually for pain, anxiety, depression.
		But I use an alpha stem, and I clip it on my ears, and I usually do it every day, and it melts it away as well.
		And then the last piece is, and this is not obviously in our community, it's probably not the popular side of it, is using a pen at night.
		A big pen?
		Yeah.
		Do you use CBD? It's the indica.
		And that pretty much eliminated all my drinking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why is that not popular?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I think it's kind of still like the taboo, right?
		Like the town I come from, they just made alcohol legal in it a few years ago.
		What town are you from, man?
		Columbia, Kentucky.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just made alcohol legal?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's a good place to study.
		That's like an uncontacted tribe.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, look, if you make it legal, the bootleggers will go out of business.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		It's Dukes of Hazzard style.
		That's crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They just made alcohol legal.
		Holy shit.
		So, yeah, vape pens are out of the question.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Show up with a pot leaf t-shirt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They'll shoot you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so crazy.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a weird taboo, but that...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That combination, particularly indica, it helps a lot of veterans.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the indica, you take two or three puffs of that and you're asleep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Makes you conk out.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You're asleep.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And you don't wake up with a hangover.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's the cool part of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a different kind of sleep.
		And CBD has some great benefits for people as well in alleviating anxiety.
		A lot of people like to use the two of them in conjunction.
		But at least it's good that that's available to you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where are you living these days?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I live in Austin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you can get it there, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Even if it's legal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not legal, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
unidentified		No.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's still there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's still there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Austin's filled with hippies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's the weirdest place in off Texas, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They are keeping it weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They definitely keep it weird, but it's a weird combination because it's like hippies, but there's also a lot of guns.
		You know what I mean?
		It's like a hunting culture and a Second Amendment culture, and there's like a lot going on there, and then hippies.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's like people wearing fanny packs with guns in them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah, yeah.
		Yeah, man.
		Yeah, you see a guy with a fanny pack in Texas.
		Assume.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, assume he's carrying.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a different animal.
		And Arizona's even weird.
		Arizona's one of those open carry states, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could just have it on your hip and go to the supermarket.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You know, when you carry it on your hip and go to the supermarket, I mean, that's obviously the first person that they would shoot.
		They should shoot, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, okay, well, I know he's armed, so let's go ahead and make sure we...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think people think of it as a deterrent, but sometimes deterrents are also attractants.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, at least you can get a vape pen there, you know?
		While you're in town, I suggest you stock up.
		This place is ridiculous.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		California's got it everywhere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		California's got too much, you know?
unidentified		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jamie, what did you just read about the company that's got a bunch of fucking pesticides and shit in their stuff?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Pesticides?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just tested it.
		They just tested some shit that we used to have in the studio, but Jamie went and threw it out.
		That's the real problem with this.
		It's wild, wild west out here.
		Unless you're testing things on a regular basis, you might be selling something.
		I had a guy named John Norris who wrote a book called The Hidden War, and the book is all about how he was a game warden, and during his normal dunies, like making sure that people aren't overfishing or hunting without a license, that kind of stuff, they started finding these cartel grow-ops.
		And these cartel grow-ops are extremely—the weed that they're putting out is extremely dangerous because it's got these super-toxic pesticides to keep animals away and to keep bugs away.
		And so they're putting this shit on weed, then that stuff winds up getting to the hands of people, particularly in other parts of the country where it's illegal, and it's just filled with pesticides.
		And, you know, you can get sick from that stuff, and people can get real sick from it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you find it, Jamie?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so they had a petrosolvent extraction.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Let me see.
unidentified		I'll just let you read it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So, California vape maker Cushy Punch caught making illegal products.
		This is in, what is the website here?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Leafly, so it's like a weed website.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Weed websites.
		So what does it say?
		The tip what?
		Consumer Affairs served a warrant.
		Prompted by a tip.
		Investigators at the California Department of Consumer Affairs served a search warrant Thursday, October the 3rd in a light industrial space, Northwest Los Angeles Canoga Park District.
		That's over here.
		They found an illegal cannabis product manufacturing operation apparently operated by Cushy Punch.
		A legal state licensed company, authorities seized a number of finished products including gummies in the Cushy Punch packaging and disposable vaporizers in Cushy vape packaging.
		In photos obtained by Leafly, the facility appeared to be performing Petrosolvent extractions where a technician concentrates the active ingredients in cannabis, THC. Petrosolvent extracting is legal with a permit in California.
		The extraction method can sometimes have the effect of concentrating pesticides along with the THC. But it says it's legal.
		Hold on.
		Scroll back up, Jamie.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that part did say it was legal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it said it's legal with a permit in California.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So the problem was that they didn't have a permit?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think maybe this place that they went to didn't have a permit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Edibles and vape cartridges seized.
		Dun, dun, dun.
		San Fernando Valley facility appeared to be in the business of putting those extracts into professional-looking THC foods as well as disposable vape pen cartridges.
		Tall file cabinets held, thousands of boxes of cushy vape pens and cushy punch edibles.
		I don't understand this because it says if it's legal, a source familiar with cushy punch accused the adult use licensee of maintaining two facilities, one licensed and one black market.
		Okay.
		Leafly is granting the source's request for anonymity.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They could have actually been using the packaging, maybe, too, to package some stuff that was black market.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like they have one license at one place and the other place not.
		A source alleges that the cannabis that tested clean went through Cushy Punch's license facility and into the license supply chain.
		A source also says the cannabis might fail the state's stringent pesticide standards, went to the illicit extraction lab pen factory.
		Okay, so some of it, but it doesn't say it did fail.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It says they're using untested black market oil that is heavy in pesticide.
unidentified		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think something got tested and they didn't know what was up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Federal legalization.
		Solve all this shit.
		That's what they should do.
		Federal legalization and nationwide standards.
		Make it so it's stupid to grow shit illegally.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Make it to where it's not a...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a great South Park episode I was watching about this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was fucking hilarious.
unidentified		The new one?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, with the Mexican Joker.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See that one?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I heard their new episodes are really good this year.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking hilarious.
		This guy gets pissed because other people are growing weed.
		He's got a weed operation and he's giving people weed and everybody's happy and selling weed and doing great.
		But then people start growing their own weed and he gets furious.
		He's like, you stole my fucking idea!
		He's like, you can't grow weed!
		I thought I was gardening!
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like, fuck you!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, that is the problem, man.
		It's fucking, it's easy to grow weed.
		Yeah, there's the Mexican Joker.
		The problem is, that was a different part of the episode.
		The B story was that Cartman called Ice on his friends because he just, like, he found out that you could just call Ice and, like, have people suspected.
		So he called it on Kyle and had Kyle fucking arrested and his whole family arrested.
		It's such a fucking...
		Look at him there, lying there mad at Cartman.
		And then Cartman got arrested himself.
		It was so ridiculous.
		What they were worried about was one of the Mexican kids growing up to become the Mexican Joker and killing everybody.
		So they had an ICE agent.
		I'm giving away a lot of spoilers.
		It's worth seeing, though.
		It's fucking hilarious.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's so funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just so ridiculous.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just so ridiculous.
		When you find out, like...
		But you can grow your own weed.
		That's the point.
		But you can't legally, federally.
		And you should be able to.
		It's fucking stupid.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's stupid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, especially when it helps cops and firemen and first responders and soldiers.
		It helps a lot of people, man.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Look at how much money we spend trying to fight it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		That's the problem, though.
		There's a business in trying to fight it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Particularly like the prison guard unions.
		They always fight against it.
		There's a lot of people who actually fight against legalization, which is...
		It's a pretty un-American thing to do.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		We've got that restaurant that just opened up in Hollywood you can smoke weed at now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That restaurant can go fuck itself.
		I'm not going anywhere near that place.
		Listen, smoke a little weed at home, go to a regular goddamn restaurant.
		I don't want to go to a restaurant where people zoned out of their fucking mind.
unidentified		They're taking gravity bomb hits at the table.
unidentified		Fuck that!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine?
unidentified		I can.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's freaking out.
unidentified		I can't imagine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The conversations are probably real stupid.
		Everybody forgets what they're talking about.
		These are rookies.
		You can't be smoking that much weed with rookies.
		Showing up at these buildings where you've got restaurants filled with people smoking weed, that's a recipe for a disaster.
unidentified		They have to make you order before you smoke, too.
		Oh my god, yeah!
		You'll never get out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But not only that, after you smoke, you're like, who the fuck ordered pizza?
		Bitch, you ordered pizza!
		It's so high you don't remember what you ordered 10 minutes ago.
		Yeah.
		All those public places, like, people are used to getting drunk in public.
		They're used to go to a bar, you can have a couple of drinks, you're fine, right?
		Two, three drinks, you're fine.
		You're just you with a little tipsy, you're fine.
		But you can have a fucking psychotic spiral if you have a pot edible at some establishment.
		We've all seen people lose their marbles.
		Especially if you've got some rookie from out of town, like, comes over from South Dakota, I can't believe you guys have free weed!
		What is that?
		What is that, a Chibichu?
		And they chew that thing, and an hour later, you're trying to peel them off the ceiling.
unidentified		Like, what happened to Jake?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Ah, the fucking guy's still high.
		It's 48 hours later.
		I don't know what to do.
unidentified		Just make a room for that in the back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, big padded room.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like the drunk tank at jail, but you have the same thing.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Same thing in the back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		With soft music.
		They just play the carpenters.
		And they'll just burn incense for you and just try to bring you down.
		Slow down.
		You're going to be fine.
		But I'm not!
		Yeah, it's too risky.
		Like, I want restaurants where people are straight.
		Everybody's fine.
		You just order a steak.
		Regular restaurant.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		People are getting loaded in those, too, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, before they go.
		No, getting drunk.
		Yeah, getting wasted.
		For some reason, I feel like that doesn't bother me as much.
unidentified		Because we're used to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
unidentified		Just used to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Do you remember when you were a kid, when you first got drunk?
		How old were you when you first got drunk?
		Were you in the military or when you got out?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I was young.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Long before.
		Yeah.
		But you remember when you first try it, you don't...
		First of all, no one's there with you.
		It's not like your dad or your uncle's going, here, you have two shots, that's it.
		No, you're drinking with your friends, and you don't know how far to go.
		And so I remember throwing up in the cab.
		I was drinking Jack Daniels with my friends.
		We were listening to music, and I remember I was laying...
		I was in a beanbag.
		I was 14. I was laying in this beanbag, looking up, and the whole fucking world was spinning.
		I was like, this is ridiculous.
		I gotta get out of here.
		And I... I called a cab to take me home and I threw up in the cab.
		I was like, oh my god.
		I didn't know how to do it.
		I didn't know how to do it.
		Nobody taught you how to do it.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just wind up figuring out with your friends.
		And you're just lucky if you don't drink yourself to death.
		It's just luck.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's pure luck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I was 14. Probably weighed 134 pounds.
		Drinking like a fish.
		Had no idea what I was doing.
		You know, probably had five, six drinks.
		Plastered.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Plastered?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's terrible.
		But we're used to that by the time we're...
		Yeah, but you go out with someone in their 28 if they don't know how to drink.
		Get rid of them.
		Don't hang out with them.
		You know?
		I remember when I first moved to LA. I was like 27. I went on a date with this gal.
		First date was great.
		Second date, I met her at a bar.
		And when I met her there, she was sh-sh-shit-faced.
		Just shit-faced.
		Stumbling off the fucking, like, off the stool.
		Couldn't keep her shit together.
		Dropped the glass.
		Broke it.
		I was like...
		I'm out of here.
		I left her at the bar.
		I was like, fuck this.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So you ghosted her?
unidentified		Yes!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hell yeah!
		Those were the glorious days when no one had cell phones.
		Ah, beautiful time to be alive.
		Yeah.
		She had to call my house.
		Good luck, bitch.
		She didn't have a cell phone.
		Very few people had cell phones in 94. You know?
		Very few people.
		I mean, I had one.
		I had a Motorola StarTAC.
		It was like a big fat boy.
		You could talk on it for 13 minutes before it ran out of batteries.
		It had an antenna.
		You pulled the antenna up.
		Click, click.
		You remember those things?
		Dude, you thought you were Captain Kirk with those bad boys.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I was six.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, man.
		In 94?
		Were you six?
unidentified		I was six.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's when I first moved here.
		Click, click.
		Hello.
		You hold it up to your ear like the detachable battery.
		You get the fat battery.
		You get an extra 40 minutes of talking.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you keep it at?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		How'd you carry it around?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember.
		I probably had one of them holsters on the side.
		Because it's too thick for your pocket.
		You can't keep that fucking fat bastard in your pocket.
		I remember when the Razor phone came out, everybody was like, holy shit, we're in the future!
		It's a credit card!
		You're talking on a credit card!
		That was the shit!
		That little thing was so small!
		But then that was like six minutes of talking.
unidentified		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Razer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and nobody had a cord.
		It wasn't like today.
		Like, hey, you got a charger?
		Most people have iPhones or Androids.
		It's either USB-C or it's Lightning.
		Most people have a charger somewhere, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially iPhones in America.
		Back then, if you didn't have a charge, you're fucked.
		You can go to a restaurant.
		Nobody has a goddamn cable at a restaurant for your fucked up cell phone.
		It didn't exist.
		It didn't exist.
		Most people didn't even have cell phones until like 2000. When did you get a cell phone for the first time?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It was like 17 or 18, like my senior year of high school.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So like 2000. Yeah, like 2000-ish.
unidentified		Somewhere around there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had one in 94. Well, I actually had one in 88. I had one that was attached to my car.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It was like the box?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Like the little box that had the cord on it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, sort of.
		It was actually bolted into the car.
		It was in the center.
		Like, it looked dope.
		It looked like a fucking, like a pimp.
		You're driving around.
		I lit a Honda CRX. And it was like right there in the middle of the seats, like the phone.
		But it helped me because I used to get gigs because like booking agents, like if someone couldn't make a gig or somebody fell out or got sick, they would call me.
		I actually had a phone.
		So I was in my car.
		They'd call me up.
		And I got a number of gigs because I had this fucking cell phone.
		Were you in the right age where you had pager codes?
		Did you have pager codes?
		You know who had pager was Joey Diaz, forever, deep into the 2000s.
		And if he owed people money or if he didn't like talking to them, he'd just throw his pager away.
		Hey, I got a new pager, dawg.
unidentified		He would get a new pager.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just lose that pager.
		You can never get a hold of him.
		He had to call you back.
		So he would call you back from just random phone numbers.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to the pager.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The pager was the shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But then what happened was some people got pagers that could send text messages.
unidentified		I was going to say, at first they expanded it to you could get sports updates.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Everyone needed to get sports scores all day long.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They paid an extra five bucks a month.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I remember I was at the Comedy Store in the back kitchen area, and one of the people that worked there had a page, maybe it was a comic, I don't remember, but they had a pager with a keyboard.
		I was like, what the fuck is that?
		And they're like, you could send people messages.
		I'm like, no!
		I'm like, yeah, if you're at a club, you can send them a message, and they can know where you are.
		I was like, that is crazy!
		Like, that's great!
		You're sending messages?
		And I remember thinking, I should probably get one of those.
		But then I never got around to doing it.
		But people were, they had pagers.
		This is about before everybody had cell phones.
		They had pagers that you could type messages on.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That blood Venn diagram bleed over into the Nextel.
unidentified		Ding, ding.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Walkie-talkie to someone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Eddie Bravo had one of those.
unidentified		That's a very close time period.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would always give him shit.
		I'm like, you have a phone.
		Why the fuck would you put a walkie-talkie on a phone?
		A phone's better than a walkie-talkie.
		Like, why not put smoke screens on?
		How about, you know, have drum signals.
		This is so stupid.
		You can have smoke signals on your phone.
unidentified		It's a fucking phone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a phone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That sound would be everywhere.
unidentified		Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You don't have to say over.
		A phone's better.
		You don't have to say over.
		You know?
		I told things like you can only one person can talk at a time.
		And the other thing about the walkie-talkie was I was like, okay, can someone listen?
		Like, do you have to press the button or could someone just listen?
		That was the concern.
		Like, you know, like your girl could call you and just listen.
		You're talking shit with your friends.
unidentified		And she could just do-do-do.
unidentified		I had a thought the other day, too.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This was a 90s thing.
		You might remember this, too.
		When you would turn on your home wireless phone, sometimes you'd just hear your neighbors talking.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they couldn't hear you.
unidentified		Yes!
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		But you just listened to a half an hour conversation, like, randomly.
unidentified		Yes!
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So where I lived at, we didn't have neighbors close enough.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
		Clearly, when I was living in an apartment, I heard the neighbor talking to me like a sock, but I would hear their whole conversation.
		That was like you picked up on their frequency.
unidentified		Yeah, the wireless thing just got connected.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was no encryption back there.
		He didn't have to be a hacker.
		He just had to have a fucking antenna.
		Yeah.
		Those days.
		Simpler days.
		But at least people, for the most part, were talking to each other face to face.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Face to face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was the vast majority of communication was face to face.
		Now, I would venture to say it's flipped on its head.
		And the vast majority of communication is probably through text messages.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, 100%.
		I mean, text messages, emails.
		I mean, people can build their own reality now, right?
		You never have to look at me and I can build my own reality through Instagram, Facebook, through all the social media.
		I mean, literally, I can build my own filter.
		My life can be filtered.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And people don't want to look in the mirror of unfiltered realness.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just want to be in a bubble, communicate with people that have like-minded views.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Make their own reality.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is an extremely strange time when it comes to the way people communicate with each other.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And there's no accountability, right?
		You communicate through those things.
		You can say whatever you want and there's no accountability.
		There's no accountability for what you say to people, for the shit you talk to people.
		There's no accountability because I can just hide behind a computer screen.
		I can hide behind a screen.
		I can hide behind my Instagram profile.
		You can't find me.
		You can't see me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know how people can like your posts?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, put a little heart, they like your posts?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if they give you an electric shock.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, if people thought you were cunts, there's like a little lightning bolt next to the heart.
unidentified		Like, this guy's a dick.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad they don't, because in that, I'd probably get more of those.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We all would.
		I'd probably be dead.
		Probably shocked to death.
		I mean, imagine if someone could just reach out and shock you anytime they want.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that'd be terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It'd be fucking terrible.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That'd be terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, the emotional pain that people cause anytime they want, where they could just reach out and say something terrible to people, especially people doing it through anonymous accounts.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		That's the worst.
		You know what?
		And it's like people you're saying this to, they're real people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they're real people.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		The people that you're judging, the people that you're criticizing their lives, that the media chooses to put out there, they're real people going through real problems too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that you have, and this is going to be a crazy question, but do you think you have more of an appreciation for life because you've taken life?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think that I have more appreciation for people in life because I have seen what suffering looks like.
		I have felt suffering.
		Like, when I look at people and people have their problems and they come to me or they say, you know, hey, they tell me their experience.
		You know, I don't try to compare the experiences.
		Like, it's not a game.
		It's not a, you know, it's not a contest.
		I try to look at them and when they tell me their experience, I just instantly go to, well, gosh, like...
		I know this person is suffering.
		How can I help them get through it?
		Because I know what that feels like.
		And that's where I try to relate to people on that level.
		Not the experience because, look, I look at people...
		Yeah, my day, it sucked.
		People have gone through way, way worse.
		A million times worse.
		You look at sexual assault victims.
		You look at domestic violence victims.
		I feel like they've gone through way worse than I could ever experience, right?
		Like, they've gone through just this stuff, and their PTSD is astronomical.
		But it's like, we can all find a way to relate on that empathetic side of, gosh, you're going through something?
		Like, let me help you get through that.
		Like, if I can help you get through that, I want to help you get through that.
		And I think that I know what it's like to suffer, and I've seen suffering at such extreme levels that I appreciate.
		I just want to help people.
		I just want to change the world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you do with your days most of the time, these days?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So, I do a lot of public speaking.
		I work with Hiring Our Heroes, with helping veterans transition back, getting jobs in Toyota.
		And, you know, I'm also launching a website on Own The Dash.
		So, Own The Dash is kind of like my brand of what I believe in, of owning your dash.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dash?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by dash?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So, Linda Ellis wrote a poem.
		It's called The Dash.
		And so she talks about, you know, on your tombstone, you have the day you were born and the day you die, which are two of the most insignificant days of your life.
		They're both the only two days in your life that aren't 24 hours.
		But what matters is that dash in between.
		And you don't have control of the day you're born or the day you die, but you have control of what that dash looks like and how you made people feel and how they're going to remember you the day that you're gone.
		You have that control every day.
		And so I'm all about owning your dash.
		Own your dash.
		Be the best you.
		Don't try to be the best somebody else.
		Be the best you.
		Wake up every day and put it all on the table and put it into making people's lives better.
		And so I'm launching this site to where it's like it's helping people, empowering people to owning their dash, to being okay with being the best them.
		I think people want to be the best of them.
		I think people want to be positive.
		I just don't think people have anybody showing them how to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a lot of truth to that.
		I think there's a lot of people that are frustrated because they really don't know how to live life in a positive way.
		And they're spinning their wheels.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Too many people are out there.
		People are out there.
		They're out there surviving instead of succeeding.
		They're just surviving.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you said Toyota with Hire for Heroes?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Hire for Heroes.
		Yeah, so I teamed up with Toyota when I got out.
		I mean, Toyota has been...
		Everybody at Toyota has just been so incredible.
		But I teamed up with Toyota in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and so we built this platform.
		It's a resume engine, so basically it helps veterans translate what they did in the military to what corporations are looking for.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so Toyota just sponsors this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so that's most of your time is these speaking engagements?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And then I have a canvas company, Flipside Canvas.
		So we basically do digital art.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so that's why you're asking about these images that we have?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So we have Flipside Canvas.
		So we do digital art and we put it up on different media types.
		So we do infused metal.
		We do canvas and we also do floated paper.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did we order those things already?
unidentified		I was gonna, that's why I was asking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, perfect.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll do it through you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're getting a bunch of shit made, right, we're about to, just now.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it'd be awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll do it through you, 100%.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
unidentified		100%.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		We love it.
		You know, so I do that, and then also, you know, we just, I was telling you earlier, you know, we just launched, you know, Discipline Go with Jocko, right?
		I've got a signature flavor coming out called Dak Savage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this is Jocko's energy drink?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Jocko's energy drink.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We were just talking about this.
		Jocko should not have a goddamn energy drink.
		Keep that money.
		Dude, he drinks tea.
		He drinks like herb tea.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		If you could just bottle up Jocko's energy, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		If you could just bottle up Jocko's energy and pass it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He's an interesting dude, but the world's better that he's alive.
		People like that, first of all, they're a tremendous source of inspiration and information.
		But inspiration, particularly important, because he leads by example.
		And what he does with his life, what he does with his days.
		He took an image the other day on his Instagram of the sunset, and it's like, this is finite.
		Go get it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Go get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A few of these.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't get many.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And he does it so simple, too, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It ain't complicated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's simple.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's to the point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We played his video good.
		I played it probably 50 fucking times in this podcast because I love it so much.
		It's a video where he's talking about his response to anything that goes wrong.
		Good.
		Here's a chance to grow.
		Good.
		We learned.
		And there's this video, and it's so intense because there's great music and animation to it, and the video's on YouTube.
		I've literally watched it a hundred times.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when I get my hardest times out, that's what I watch.
		I watch that good video.
		It's done so much for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That video's amazing.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
		It just puts it in perspective.
		It's like, I don't know, what is it, two minutes long?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And that two minutes, if you're driving down the road, afterwards, you just want to kick your windshield out.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's fuel.
unidentified		Like, let's do this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fuel.
		It's inspiration.
		I mean, it makes your fucking hackles raise up.
		It gives you goosebumps.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It makes you want to go.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It makes you just want to...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It just makes you want to go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why guys like Jocko and Tim Kennedy and David Goggins and these fucking dudes that are out there that provide so much inspiration.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Iron Goggins.
		He said that he did the one the other day.
		He's out there running and he said...
		I don't know.
		I'll slaughter it.
		But he goes, you know, he goes, it's hot out here.
		And he goes, this guy pulled up to me.
		And he said something to him about, you know, why are you running?
		It's so hot.
		And he's like, you know, we need doctors.
		We need lawyers.
		And we also need hard motherfuckers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We need fucking savages.
unidentified		We need hot motherfuckers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He sends me random text messages out of nowhere.
		I'll read it to you because they're so ridiculous.
		He's so fucking savage, man.
		But he means it.
		He sends you these text messages and I get them just randomly.
		Here's one.
		No need to respond.
		Hope all's well, brother.
		Continue to live in the grip of life.
unidentified		As you know, nothing gets done by being a bitch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Stay hard, brother.
		It's a random David Goggins text message.
		It's Tuesday.
unidentified		I'm at home just watching TV or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I get this message.
		I'm like, what the fuck, Dave?
		Jesus Christ.
		And you know he's out there.
		It's probably 115 degrees outside.
		He's been running for 18 hours.
unidentified		Stay hard.
		Stay hard!
		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those guys are a massive source of inspiration.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They are.
		They are.
		And you know what?
		I just love them all so much because they're real.
		Yes.
		They're real.
		It's not an act.
		It's not a performance.
unidentified		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's not a show.
		They're just...
		They wake up every day, especially Jocko wakes up every day.
		Tim Kennedy.
		These guys just wake up every day and live everything that they say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Jocko wakes up every day and takes a picture of his fucking watch.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		He does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's 4.30, bitch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's not the way that somebody like me would do it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I would take 10 of them in one day, and then I would put them on HootSuite, and they would come out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One day you wake up at 4.30.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's just not, you know.
		But they crush it.
		And that's why, you know, the world needs them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The world does.
		And also, people with the kind of experiences that they've had.
		They're...
		Their inspiration means more.
		You know, there's a lot of people out there giving inspiration, but they haven't done shit.
		When you get inspiration from someone that you know is living it every goddamn day.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, pushing it every goddamn day.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Pushing it every day and, like, finding, like, you know, they got every reason to not do it, but they always find the reason to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jocko's recently gotten into bowhunting now, which is pretty exciting.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		How was that bowhunt with him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was great!
		Well, I wasn't hunting with him.
		I was in camp with him.
		He was hunting with my friend John Dudley, who coached me and has helped me, and he coached Jocko to his first elk.
		But we all got to share camp and talk.
		We did a podcast together.
		It's available on Knock On Archery, and it's also available on my brother Andy Stump's podcast, which is Cleared Hot.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I love Andy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love Andy, too.
		He's a shit.
		He was in camp as well.
		And we were there for five days in Utah.
		We had a great fucking time.
		It was awesome.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's gorgeous up there, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God, it's so beautiful.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And he's an awesome dude, too.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		He's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's legitimately crazy.
		I mean, anybody who has the world record for the longest flight suit in one of them flying squirrel fucking suits, that guy's out of his fucking mind.
		But he doesn't do the flying squirrel suit anymore.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
		No, he had a buddy die.
		Well, he's had several, but one too many, I believe.
		And then base jumping.
		He's had a bunch of friends dive doing that as well.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Did he quit base jumping?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		He's still skydiving.
		No more base jumping.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		We're supposed to skydive together.
		I skydive a lot, too, so I love it.
		I don't skydive.
		I mean, I'm nowhere near Andy Stump.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that looks like a ridiculous thing to do.
		I don't get it, but I was just in a hot air balloon recently.
		That was as close as I get to skydiving.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
		You wouldn't do it?
		Come on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I definitely would do it, but I don't want to.
		I don't want to jump out of a goddamn plane.
		I would do it.
		If I had to do it, I would do it.
		But I don't want to do it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't volunteer to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No!
		Just some crazy thrill.
		Look, we're almost going to die!
		And then we landed.
unidentified		Woo!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't you feel better that you didn't die?
		I can imagine that.
		I'll lie in bed and close my eyes and pretend I'm jumping out of a plane.
unidentified		I'm good.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You're good?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But Andy, like, that's not enough.
		He's got to get in that goddamn squirrel suit.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And then fly close to all those, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you can calculate that shit wrong if you don't know every goddamn nuance of the surface of the earth.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Or just, like, the wind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, how about that?
		I mean, there was one that we played on this podcast that's horrendous where a guy was trying to bridge the gap through the Golden Gate Bridge and he slams into the bridge while these people are watching.
		Oh, my God.
		Oh, my God.
		And the sound when it hits the bridge.
		It's like a car accident.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That sounds terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god, it's so terrible.
		Because you realize that people are realizing this guy's going to hit the bridge.
		Because he just, you know, you're floating.
		It's not like you have controls.
		You're just kind of guessing, and it's like you guess wrong.
		Slam right into the side of the bridge.
		It's horrific.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if it's all about guessing, then I'm not usually good at guessing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No!
		Not interested, man.
		One of the greatest jiu-jitsu guys of all time, Holis Gracie, he died skydiving.
		Really?
		Not skydiving.
		What's that called?
		What's it called when you're on the...
		Paragliding?
		Paragliding, yeah.
		You know, the triangle thing and flying around those things.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's how you died?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he died slamming into a mountain.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That would suck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But again, he's goddamn savages that can't get enough adrenaline.
		I like Andy.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
		I love it.
		Andy's like, I blame him for me getting into it.
		I was interested in it and I did it.
		I love it though.
		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, he's gotten a couple of friends of mine into it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Goddamn psycho.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He told me, though, that I can't...
		He said, no bass jumping.
		He did tell me that.
		He's like, no bass jumping.
		He's like, don't be bass jumping.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that one doesn't work out all the time.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't, does it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, there's times it doesn't work out.
		And when it doesn't work out, it's terrible.
		Yeah.
		I get it, but those things...
		Those cheap thrills, you know?
		It seems like a cheap thrill.
		I get it.
		I get it.
		I mean, I'm not telling anybody they shouldn't do it.
		It definitely should be legal.
		I'm not saying it should be illegal.
		You should be able to do it, for sure.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You should do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck that.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So you're not even on the fence.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not interested.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What else are you doing with your time these days?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Raising my daughters.
		You know, I got two and three year old.
		They're awesome.
		That's always fun.
		Yeah, man.
		Flying my helicopter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got a helicopter?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I got it.
unidentified		Holy shit.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		My buddy, Tim's introduced me to a guy named Shane Steiner.
		And he got me into flying, so I love it.
		Like, I'm addicted to it.
		I love it.
		It makes my life a lot easier.
		I mean, it also, whenever I, you know, if I go to Dallas or Houston, it's a difference in me getting home that day versus me staying another night and not being able to wake up, you know.
		In the same house as my kids, right?
		So, I love it.
		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty cool, man.
		I've been up in them before.
		I was in them in Hawaii.
		I've flown them in them when you do the tour of the volcanoes.
		And then recently, my friend Bill Burr, he's gotten really into flying helicopters, and he took me up, and we flew around downtown LA. It was crazy.
		We went around Malibu after the fires, too.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you see it from the sky, you get a totally different perspective of how bad the damage was.
		But yeah, he loves it.
		He flies all over the place.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It seems like a lot of fun.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you come to Austin, we'll go fly around.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck that.
		No, I'll fly with you for sure.
		How long have you been doing it for?
		A couple weeks.
unidentified		A few weeks.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		No, I should be taking my...
		I should be taking my...
		So, you know, if I do anything...
unidentified		Is this you?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is me right here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, did you buy this thing?
		You bought a plane?
		Holy shit.
		I mean, a helicopter?
		That's ultimate freedom though, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You go wherever the hell you want and you can land in a small area.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like sometimes you're flying over the lake, Lake Travis, and just like 8 to 10 feet off the water.
		Yeah, there's Shane right there.
		Today's his birthday, actually.
		Happy birthday, Shane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Happy birthday, Shane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty dope.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That was the day I did my first solo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		How far did you fly?
		So basically, you just go up and you do three takeoffs and landings.
		So that's his helicopter over there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The red one in the background?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're starting a helicopter club, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Helly's Angels.
unidentified		No, I'm just kidding.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been hella hunting?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I have.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I have pigs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you?
		Yeah.
		I've watched Ted Nugent.
		There's a show that they did called The Porkalypse Now.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		The Porkalypse.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where are you saying Ted Nugent hanging out of a helicopter gunning down these wild pigs?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For people who don't know, it's really actually a necessary evil because these wild pigs in Texas in particular, they've overrun the state.
		There it is.
		There's Uncle Ted.
		A porcalypse.
unidentified		Oh, God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is so ridiculous.
		And he's just taking them out.
		Tink, tink, tink.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's so many of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It has to be done.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It does have to be done.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so many.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking crazy.
		The video is goddamn crazy.
		You gotta see them doing reload!
		And they're just gunning these pigs down from the sky.
		And that's Brian Quacko's Pig Man.
		He's got a show called Pig Man.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's in the same type of helicopter.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think it's R-44.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a fucking crazy video, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy.
unidentified		It's so awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They shot, I think, something like 250 hogs in a day.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just flying around, gunning them down.
		That's a lot of bacon.
		A lot of barbecue.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just round them up and they actually feed the homeless with them.
		The thing about...
		Pigs, they're destructive and they're terrible and they're terrible for the ranches and they're terrible for these farms, but they're damn delicious.
		They are.
		Especially the wild ones actually taste better than domestic pigs.
		It's far superior meat.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times you get to them and they're all nasty.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They all eat up with stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That can happen too, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Infected.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, infected, because they eat everything.
		But they'll come in, like a pig will tear up.
		And it's crazy how fast they reproduce, right?
		I think it's like a pig's gestation.
		So I think after a pig is born, I don't know how long it is, but after they have their first litter, it's like every...
		Six months or if it's six weeks, I don't know what the period is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think they can have their first litter at six months.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, six months.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And then I think it only takes them, like, I don't know how it is, but usually after they have their litter, they're pregnant the next day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's like there's this whole gestation period of why they reproduce so much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And that's the problem with them.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They're everywhere in Texas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're everywhere in California now, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're in San Jose in people's front yards, chewing up their grass and stuff.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all over the place, man.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		What do they do about them out here in their front yards?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can hunt them.
		The place where I'm hunting elk, you can hunt pigs.
		That's Tejon Ranch.
		And there's, you know, in Northern California, I mean, it's a famous place where Hunter Thompson used to hunt them with AK-47s.
		He used to go out and hunt pigs.
		There's a famous picture of him with a pig hanging from a rope that he's quartering, you know, gutting.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's so awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were brought to California by William Randolph Hearst, believe it or not.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, he had Hearst Palace up there, or Hearst Castle, and he wanted to bring a bunch of wild animals up there.
		So he had all these wild animals running around on his lawn, and some of them were Russian boars.
		So he brought over these Russian boars and sows, and they bred, and now they're all over the place.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And here they are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Particularly Northern California.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They get about as far south as Bakersfield, the Bakersfield area, but eventually they're probably going to make their way to the San Fernando Valley.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They'll probably link up.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They'll probably just keep going and link up in Texas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
unidentified		Well, they're fucking everywhere, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you've never seen it before, people on the outside are like, oh, why would you want to shoot pigs?
		But if you just saw the kind of devastation and millions and millions of dollars worth of property damage every year for these farmers.
		And for farmers, they're on a tight margin as it is.
		If you're a farmer, a rancher, and you're trying to grow crops...
		It's tough to make a living.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And you've got to worry about weather and everything else, much less pigs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Millions of pigs, too.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Millions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, people are like, wait a minute, millions?
		Are you exaggerating?
		No.
		Millions.
		I think they estimate...
		Find out this.
		What's the number of wild hogs estimated in Texas?
		Just in Texas alone, I would bet...
		Let's take a guess.
		I'm going to say 4 million.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I'd go higher.
unidentified		I'd go 5. 5. What does it say, Jamie?
unidentified		1.5.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, they don't know shit, liberals.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Goddamn hippies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that real?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what it says?
unidentified		Texas government website.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Texas government.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're corrupt.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's government.
		You can't believe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can't believe the goddamn government.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were a little wrong.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we were a little off on that one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, Ted Nugent's out there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He'd probably be 15 million if it wasn't for him.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Ted Nugent.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		He's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's an interesting cat.
		I enjoyed talking to him.
		I had him on the podcast.
		He's a polarizing character.
		But I don't think people understand him.
		He talked to him.
		He's actually a very good man.
		He's a good guy.
		He's got this outrageous side to him.
		He says a bunch of outrageous shit.
		But that's also part of the way he gets attention for some of the things that he believes in.
		I don't think he's a bad guy at all.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You've got to make a statement to get people to pay attention, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and also, you've got to realize, like, this guy's been fighting the same fight for a long time in regards to hunting rights.
		For a long, long time.
		Back when people didn't really have the same information that they have today.
		Like, now today, people can understand, like, oh, conservation is actually very important.
		And it's important to remove certain numbers of the population of these animals.
		And also, the money that you spend on these tags and on...
		Hunting licenses and even on gear, a percentage of that goes towards protecting habitat and hiring game wardens.
		It's a very efficient system and it's a system that's actually managed by wildlife biologists.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a system that's very managed.
		Just like in Alaska, they're game wardens up there.
		It seems like if you killed a moose or you fished with the wrong thing, the wrong hook, it's more important than if somebody got killed or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what somebody told me, though?
		Which is interesting.
		You know they have that game wardens TV show?
		There's a show about game wardens.
		And somebody was telling me that game wardens are like some unscrupulous game wardens.
		They're actually setting guys up just so they could be on these shows.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're trying to set up stings and set up these things just so they could be on the shows.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They might even be entrapping people.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I know where I was from.
		They would put this deer out.
		You get in trouble if you can't shoot from the road.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And they put that fake deer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They put a robot deer, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They put the robot deer out there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		With a camera on it.
		I could film people trying to kill it.
		That's hilarious.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They'd get you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just had to watch out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Watch out for robo-deer.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Make sure it's a real deer.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It actually moves its head and shit.
		It does.
		I've seen that thing.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It'll move and stuff, and they put it out in the field where people drive by and they see it in the field.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, on one hand, I'm like, that's hilarious.
		On the other hand, fuck poachers.
		It's so good.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know?
		Good.
		If you're out there doing that.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		If you're out there doing that, it's not fair, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's crazy, too.
		And there's so many people out there that don't follow the rules, that are out there shooting animals they're not supposed to shoot.
		There's a reason why we have so many animals.
		It's because they have this stringent set of rules that they want you to follow.
		And if you can get a tag for two animals, great.
		That's what you're allowed to get.
		You get two animals.
		That's it.
		And if you get four or five and you store them in your freezer and not let anybody know, you're a criminal and you're part of the problem.
		And if everybody did that, there would be no animals left.
		And that's really what this country had at the turn of the century.
		When market hunting was in full swing, they almost wiped out black bears, almost wiped out white-tailed deer, almost wiped out elk.
		To this day, elk in this country are only in a small percentage of the population, including grizzly bears, small percentage of the place where they used to be.
		California has a goddamn grizzly bear as its state flag.
		There's a grizzly bear on the flag.
		There's no fucking grizzlies here.
		They whacked them all.
		They killed every one of them.
		But they did that because they were killing people.
		The last guy to get killed by a grizzly bear was in, I think his name was Stephen Levesque, and there's a town named after him.
		When you're headed up north, if you're on the way to Bakersfield, there's a town called Levesque, and that's where that guy got whacked.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So they named a town after him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's the last place where a person got killed by a grizzly bear in California.
		And they just gunned them all down.
		Like, enough.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Got rid of all of them.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been around a grizzly bear in real life?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, not a grizzly bear.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I've seen brown bears, black bears.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, brown bear is a grizzly.
		It's the same thing.
		Unless it's a color fairy, it's black bear.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		But isn't there a little difference between them?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The difference is really their diet.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Grizzly bears are more aggressive because they're out there fucking up moose and deer and shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a hard knock life for a grizzly bear.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that, you know, so the brown bears, I mean, they're out there.
		I mean, they're out there crushing moose too, right?
		I mean, they're...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They are, but they're also eating a shitload of fish.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Brown bears are coastal bears.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And like, in like Alaska.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so that's where I was at is Alaska.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So that's where I was around them is in Alaska.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a crazy picture that went viral a couple days ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This couple of guys are fly fishing and they don't even realize that a bear is right behind them.
unidentified		Oh gosh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're standing there in the river and this is a fucking huge bear.
		See if you can find the picture.
		These guys are on the river.
		Viral image.
		Men don't know bears behind them.
		They're fishing around this river.
		This fucking huge bear is just right behind them, looking at them.
		They don't even know it's there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Bears are something else.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They are something else.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They are something else.
unidentified		Have you seen it?
unidentified		I thought you were...
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There's another video I was looking for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
		They don't even know.
		They're fishing.
		Like, hey, guys.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my gosh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They had no idea there's a fucking 900-pound bear right behind them.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, and then you're kind of screwed right there.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the guy's yelling at him as he's taking the photo or do you think he took the photo and then told him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The guy probably stayed there for hours taking pictures.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Never told him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He probably was hoping that the bear ate him and he'd get the best picture.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		There's one crazy video of these people riding these bikes down this trail.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the men in the photo were barely bothered when they realized the bear, oh, well they must be Alaskan natives.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Goddamn savages up there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They're crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These people don't give a fuck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a different breed of human up there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's like, they're hard people in Alaska.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hard people.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Hard people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Looked over his shoulder and continued fishing.
		The bears in the park regularly walk up and down the riverbank searching for food and will dive into the water dozens of times per day.
		See, the thing is, those bears have so much salmon.
		They get so much meat that they just think of salmon as food.
		Like, people are just a pain in the ass that might shoot them and kill them.
		They're not interested in that as much.
unidentified		That's what he said.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they probably would have jumped right over me or walked right past me to get the salmon.
		Yeah, I mean, that's why they're so big.
		They get so much protein.
		There's an insane amount of fish that come up that river, and that's why the salmon are there.
		There's a great video of this guy.
		He's got a camera set up and a bear walks right next to him and just sits down and it's like as close as where Jamie is.
		And it's fucking huge.
		It's so big.
		This guy's got a lawn chair there.
		He's like, hey bear, come on man, get out of here.
		The bear is like 900 pounds or something and sits down right next to where Jamie is.
		Just chilling.
		And they look out onto the river itself and it's filled with bears.
		It's like 40 bears in view because they're all just going through the salmon run.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is insane.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That is insane.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I lived up in Alaska for a year, and it was a whole different world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a different world.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It was a whole different world.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's barely America.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a really nice place to visit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love Anchorage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've only been once, but man, I really enjoy the shit out of it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		When did you go up there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I guess it was two, three years ago.
		My friend Ari Shafir and I, we did some salmon fishing.
		Then we did a couple shows up there.
		We had a great time, man.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think April to probably September is really awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to sleep, though.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, because it's...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've got to cover your eyes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you're tired, and it looks like it's 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, this is fucking strange.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty cool, though.
		Yeah.
		It doesn't get too warm up there, obviously.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But those mosquitoes are a gangster.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They should be, like, the state bird.
		Yeah.
		They're so big!
		They're terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're so big and so aggressive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't even make sense.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We got out of the car.
		We got to the river and you pull up the trailhead and we got out of the car and we hadn't sprayed the bug spray on.
		We opened up the door.
		I was thinking, well, we'll get out.
		I'll put my clothes on and then I'll spray myself with bug spray.
		The moment we opened the door, the car was filled with 100 mosquitoes.
		How the fuck did they even know we're here?
		They just found us so quick.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Fresh blood.
unidentified		Just open the door and it's like, Like fuck!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're swatting and we're spraying bug spray inside the truck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's so awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a crazy place to live, but it's also like when you're up there, you recognize like, oh, these people have a way closer relationship with the natural world than we do.
		It gets cold as fuck in the winter.
		They're surrounded by grizzly bears.
		Moose are everywhere.
		Deer are everywhere.
		It's just a different relationship with wildlife.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like, you know, and everything up there, like, the one thing I noticed is if whether you're going out to, there was a cabin, there was a cabin at Mount Denali, and so what we would do is we'd ride snow machines.
		You'd have to park, and then you'd have to ride snow machines out to it.
		And it's like everything you do up there is, it's like serious.
		You know what I mean?
		It's not, like, you better take it serious or you could die.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everything.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Everything, yeah.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you want to go fishing or, you know, on the river or whatever, like, it's all, it's all serious.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it seems like the people have a different attitude.
		What is this?
		The mosquitoes there?
		Oh my god!
		That's in Alaska?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They can kill baby caribou.
		Caribou calves?
		Literally mosquitoes will sting them around their eyeballs and their assholes until they die.
		Swarm engulfed scientists who recorded a god-awful phenomenon.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Man, that's nature, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what happens when you only get to live for a couple months.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just gotta go for it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Go all out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's why in LA there's fucking zero mosquitoes.
		They're just like chill.
		Oh my god, look at this.
		Legs are just covered.
		They'll bite you right through your fucking pants.
		They don't give a shit about your pants.
		Look at that guy's foot.
		Oh my god.
		Click on the foot covered in mosquitoes.
		That is crazy.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		That gives me the heebie-jeebies just looking at it.
		Why is that guy letting that happen?
		Backpacking with monster skeeters.
		Yeah, they're doing it for the gram.
		Imagine getting your feet lit up just for Instagram.
		It's not worth it, man.
		Keep your feet protected, bro.
		It's too crazy.
		They'll go right through your socks.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're terrible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't give a shit about clothes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Clothes are not going to protect you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Clothes.
		Nope.
		Not up there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you get a chance to do much hunting these days?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, I haven't hunted much.
		I haven't.
		It's not since I've been home.
		I used to.
		I grew up hunting.
		I grew up hunting.
		You know, we've got a farm in Kentucky.
		And so I grew up there hunting my whole life.
		And I haven't hunted the ton since I've been home.
		I've hunted...
		I killed a Neil guy down on the King Ranch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a big animal.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's an elk-sized animal.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It's like a horse with horns.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's beautiful.
		Apparently, unbelievably delicious.
		That's what I hear.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Beautiful.
		It's a beautiful animal.
		I killed a bear up in Alaska.
		I've killed some deer since I've been home on the farm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You killed a black bear?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I killed a black bear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		They're delicious, too.
		Oddly enough, right?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People don't know.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		They taste good.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That King Ranch is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many acres is that thing?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think it's almost a million.
		I think that's what it is, right?
		I think it's almost a million.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Texas is so strange.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think it's almost a million acres.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the largest land.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		1.225.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And the crazy thing is, is like, you're talking about, I got so fired up because, you know, I mean, I come from a farm and, you know, the deer there, it's not like they're, you know, they're not, we don't feed them, you know, we don't grow deer there, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		And so you're driving out and literally you're getting out to open the gate, leaving the King Ranch and you look over to your right, you know, 10 feet off the road and there's, you know, a non-typical huge deer right there and you're like, I'd give anything to have that on my wall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's a weird thing, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they do feed them.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like agriculture.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they put out food plots and stuff like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Food plots make sense.
		That's just plants that the animals eat.
		But feeders.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, feeders, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's where I draw the line.
		I'm like, okay, what are we doing here?
		Is this agriculture or is this hunting?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Is it killing or hunting?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Even if it's a million acres, if it's a million acres in every, you know, 800, 900 yards, you have a feeder, and all the animals gather in the feeder, so you've got a blind that you hang out by the feeder.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a Neil guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is this, the King Ranch?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's a Neil guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a Neil guy.
		Yeah.
		How good were those things?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They were good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hear they're better than elk.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		It was really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hear it's insanely delicious.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is so good.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I've never had elk, but...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can take care of that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long are you in town for?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I'll leave out tonight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'll give you some in the freezer bag.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can bring it home with you.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They were...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You know, so the thing about them is when you see them, they're running.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		As soon as...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they used to be around lions.
		That's what's so crazy about Texas.
		Like, they take all these African animals.
		Like, you can hunt a fucking zebra in Texas.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Zebra.
unidentified		What?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Zebra?
		What?
		Why is there a zebra here?
		And the zebras get out, too.
		That's what's really fucked up.
		They keep them in these high-fence ranches, but those fences break.
		And then you got zebras just running around.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Running around.
		Yeah, I got a buddy who has a farm who has elk down in Texas.
		He's got elk on his farm because they got out.
		They just came down the river.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a real common thing in West Texas now, is elk.
		There's quite a few of them.
		And you look at some of the ranges where they hunt them, and it looks like you might as well be in Colorado or something like that.
		It's weird.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I got a buddy who, he has giraffes on his farm.
		Two giraffes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is he doing with them?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		They're just there for...
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		You can go feed the giraffes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had a bit in my act a couple years ago in my triggered Netflix special, triggered, about Texas and about how there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than in all of the wild of the world.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		More tigers in dudes' backyards!
		In private collections, there's more tigers in Texas than all of the wilds of the world.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		So these giraffes, I think the story behind them was, and don't quote me on it, but I think the story behind them was the zoos couldn't afford to feed them anymore, and so they brought them in and let them run, and so they feed them.
		That makes sense.
		Yes, like the zoos, I guess they couldn't afford to keep up with them or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is something oddly perverse about bringing animals that are not supposed to be at a certain place to a certain place.
		You got something, Jamie?
		What do you got?
		In Texas, it's easier to own a tiger than a dog.
		Than a dog that's been labeled dangerous.
		It's estimated there could be from 2,000 to 5,000 tigers living in the southern state of the United States.
		Meaning Texas could have more tigers than roughly the 3,800 tigers living in the wild globally.
		globally the um the yeah if you have a dog that's dangerous people think you're an asshole if you got a tiger like oh you're just in the wildlife that's crazy that's crazy that is such a fucked up thing to have in your yard You got a fucking tiger?
		How much do you trust your fences?
		I mean, what kind of fence control do they have?
		Do they have fence regulations?
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Surely they have to, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
		It's pretty nuts.
		But there's a lot of them.
		A lot of them there.
		And, again, in so many people's backyard, no one really knows how many tigers there are.
		Some people put the United States tiger population around 7,000.
		Others say it's inflated by animal welfare activists to raise money.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course, that's what they would think.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Making money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of them there, though, man.
		I know a bunch of people that have seen tigers in people's yards in Texas.
		In fact, there was a crazy story about these kids were smoking weed.
		And they went into this abandoned house, and they go into the abandoned house, and inside the abandoned house is a tiger in a cage.
		And they're like, wait, what?
		So they walk into this fucking abandoned house trying to get high, and they find a tiger.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's almost like The Hangover, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes!
		Really similar.
		Yeah, I mean, did you find that story?
		Yeah, it's a fucking crazy story.
		These kids are just trying to smoke a little weed.
		Escape from life.
		Tiger found in an abandoned house by a person who just wanted to smoke pot.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's Tiger, baby.
		That's Tigers in Texas.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		That's so awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, listen, man.
		It's been an honor having you on.
		I appreciate you having me.
		I'm glad we finally got a chance to do it.
		And let's get you out.
		I want to get you out with John Dudley.
		Take you out on one of these hunts that we do.
		It'd be great.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to do so much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let everybody know if you have social media.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		I do, I do.
		I'm on Instagram, Dakota Meyer0317.
		I'm on Facebook, Dakota Meyer, so, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And all the information about all these things that you're involved with is all there?
unidentified		Yeah, everything's there.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, all of it's there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Beautiful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, brother.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, appreciate it.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Thanks so much, man.
unidentified		Thanks for being here.
dakota meyer ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate it.

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