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June 26, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1318 - Hotep Jesus
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joe rogan
Two, one, boom.
Hotep Jesus.
How are you, sir?
I always wanted to say that.
I wanted to call somebody that.
hotep jesus
I need that drop.
joe rogan
How the fuck do you get a name like Hotep Jesus?
How'd that come about?
hotep jesus
It wasn't my idea.
I had just went through my spiritual awakening.
I just left the hip-hop industry, and I went through that mace thing.
joe rogan
What are you doing with the headgear?
We got a lot going on up there.
hotep jesus
I had to tie my hair down.
It's a black thing, man.
I gotta screw you up.
joe rogan
So you have a spiritual awakening.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I had this spiritual awakening.
And I'm, you know, tweeting on Twitter like I do.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
And somebody said, what do you think you are?
Some kind of hotep Jesus?
joe rogan
Ooh, that's good.
hotep jesus
And I was just like, ooh, that's sexy.
Yes, I do think I'm hotep Jesus.
joe rogan
That's perfect.
And now you own it.
hotep jesus
Now I own it.
joe rogan
That person is probably like, fuck!
God damn it, that was a great name I gave that dude.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I don't know who that person is or was or where they are now.
joe rogan
Shout out to whoever you are.
Exactly.
And Vibe High, your Twitter, why didn't you switch it to Hotep Jesus?
Can you switch it?
Does anybody own Hotep Jesus?
hotep jesus
I do.
joe rogan
So you have Hotep Jesus on Twitter too?
hotep jesus
Yeah, I reserved it.
joe rogan
Oh dude, I think they could probably swap.
Do you have one of them cute little blue check marks yet?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
How do you get one of those?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
There's some people that have those that have like a thousand followers.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are you getting it?
Like if you work for the New York Times or some shit?
hotep jesus
I thought you had the hookup.
I'll do Joe and then I get verified.
joe rogan
I don't know how Twitter feels about me.
I mean, I think Jack likes me.
He's been in a couple of times, but I think the whole...
They're weird, man.
They want...
I mean, I think all social media, all tech companies want you to toe a line right now.
And if you're not toeing that line and you're bringing on forbidden guests and you have people that have controversial ideas, you know, they have that finger on the button of getting rid of you.
They don't know what to do.
hotep jesus
It's just like radio, you know?
Like radio...
A lot of people don't know, but radio has to play happy songs because happy people buy things.
unidentified
Really?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
Well, that's what the studies say, allegedly.
The marketing studies and advertising studies say people who are in a good mood tend to buy things, right?
So the radio is supposed to play happy songs all day long.
And the radio works for the advertisers, kind of like media and so on and so forth.
So social media is no different.
They have advertisers.
So if there's people on the platform who are creating disgruntled crowds, it could be hurting the bottom line.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Facebook's algorithm actually favors that.
The way Facebook has it set up, like say if you get into debates with people on abortion or something very controversial, they will start sending that shit to your feed.
They will sort of steer it in your direction.
Because the more you engage, the more clicks they get, the more money they get, the more advertising dollars they get.
hotep jesus
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
The Facebook algorithm is quite unique in the way that things can go viral there.
Twitter, I feel like the Twitter Safety and Counsel Board.
joe rogan
Yeah, what do they call it?
Trust and Safety?
hotep jesus
Yeah, is that what it's called?
joe rogan
Yeah, something like that.
hotep jesus
Yeah, so when I go and look at the entities that contribute to that board, I kind of start saying, oh, okay, I see why certain topics are taboo.
When there's a board...
Those people on the board are the voice.
They're the ones that have the opinion.
So if your group isn't represented, maybe you need to figure out how to get on that board.
You know what I mean?
Right.
joe rogan
I don't know if anybody's getting on that board.
hotep jesus
Nah, it's not going to happen.
joe rogan
And you better be left wing if you're going to get on that board.
unidentified
I don't think there's any right wing people on that board.
hotep jesus
I think Jack's more like in the middle.
Yes.
I think he's closer to the middle.
I don't think it's Jack.
I think it's...
Jack's working on a bunch of different projects.
But I think it's probably whoever else is in the office making the day-to-day decisions.
joe rogan
Yeah, I like Jack a lot.
But I think Jack is in the middle of a gigantic corporation.
And there's so many people with so many ideas.
Essentially...
The founding fathers of our country had a great idea when it comes to freedom of expression.
They felt like it was very important that you have free speech.
And you can't be silenced, you can't be...
You can't be undermined by people who disagree with you because it's dangerous.
It's dangerous when someone can just decide that you can't have a voice anymore and only their voice can be heard.
We're kind of seeing that with Twitter and we're kind of seeing that with Facebook and with Google and they're deciding what could be heard and what not could be heard.
They think they're doing it for good reasons.
They think they're doing it to preserve our culture and our civilization and they want to protect people from the election.
Do you know Reddit shut down the Donald Trump support Reddit page?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not a good idea.
hotep jesus
Right before the Dem debate.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right before the Democratic debate.
And, you know, that is like where all the funny memes come from.
And look, man, you can't do that.
I mean, just because if you have some people that are saying some shit that's bad on there, get rid of those people.
Get rid of that.
But you can't just shut down a whole forum.
Like, it seems, that seems insane.
Yeah.
Is there a reason for it?
jamie vernon
It's not shut down.
It says it's quarantined.
joe rogan
What the fuck does that mean?
Does it have a disease?
jamie vernon
It's sort of like temporary suspension.
joe rogan
It's got Ebola?
jamie vernon
It happens to people.
They've got to do something.
It says there's violent threats.
I'm looking to see what happens.
Repeated misbehavior.
joe rogan
Violent threats.
jamie vernon
We'll see.
unidentified
Skeptical?
hotep jesus
Very.
joe rogan
Seems weird, right?
I feel like all of this stuff is...
We're seeing what the First Amendment is really all about, why it exists.
We're seeing it play out with all these social media sites.
hotep jesus
I really think that.
My thing is with the Reddit thing, right?
It's very easy to create an actor.
The left can create a right-wing actor online to pretend like it's something else.
They can go into Reddit...
Do something malicious to get the whole Reddit banned, right?
joe rogan
Like an agent provocateur.
hotep jesus
Yeah, exactly.
And I never leave that off the table when I look at instances like this.
When I say, oh, somebody was...
It's the internet.
Everybody's anonymous.
You know, how are you tracking this back to who it is?
You know what I mean?
Do you know it's conservative?
Do you know it's a Republican?
Are you sure?
So, you know, I take these things, these pieces of information with a grain of salt.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should.
hotep jesus
But is this election meddling?
joe rogan
It kind of is, right?
It's what it feels like.
If you're killing a whole sub...
Well, it depends.
That would be really interesting if it turns out that it was someone from the left that was posing as someone from the right.
In order to shut down a forum and pretend there's death threats.
hotep jesus
I mean, you look at YouTube, right, and what's been happening with YouTube, even just the algorithm.
I'm pretty good with keywords.
I do SEO and marketing.
So when I type in certain keywords to find certain things, I know what's going to come up or what type of content comes up.
Now when I type in those keywords, it's like ABC, NBC, ABC, CNN, and I'm like, that's not what I want.
They don't even talk about these keywords.
What are you talking about?
So when you start seeing that, you start thinking about Ingsoc and Orwell in 1984 and socialism and communism and fascism and the degradation of society and a lot of control coming down.
In some ways, it's like Was the internet created for freedom or was it created for control?
Right?
So it's two different pathways.
We could probably look at that.
But it seems like in many ways, they set us up to be controlled.
And they're doing it through monopolies.
Google controls search through YouTube and Google.
And by what you search, you can think it's the truth, but what did Kanye say?
Kanye say, Google lied to you.
joe rogan
Kanye says a lot of crazy shit, though.
You gotta really think about that.
unidentified
He does.
hotep jesus
And I like crazy.
joe rogan
I do too.
I'm a big fan of crazy.
hotep jesus
I'm a little crazy.
A lot of crazy sometimes.
So I appreciate his crazy side more than his calm side.
joe rogan
Well, great things come from wild thoughts.
hotep jesus
Right.
Exactly.
joe rogan
I think the internet was initially created to exchange information and then when it got loose to the general public, they realized what a crazy idea that was.
What I think we're seeing right now with the algorithms is that these corporations are influencing these companies to say, hey, When someone's looking for these things, how about you send them over to ABC? How about you send them over to NBC? We want to be able to get the first views on these things.
So if someone's searching for that, I don't know how they do it.
I don't know whether they have agreements with them.
I mean, there's also a lot of copywritten shit that's on there that could get YouTube in some significant trouble if they ever really decided to pursue it.
How many videos are on YouTube?
YouTube that people have on their channel that are just straight off of Fox News or NBC News.
There's a lot of copyright protected content that YouTube is essentially profiting off of.
hotep jesus
Oh yeah.
Yeah, they make a ton of money off of that stuff.
joe rogan
So they might have deals where they say, look, we'll send these people to, you know, this first.
hotep jesus
Yeah, and that's why I say, you know, that's where the control comes in.
You know, the advertisers.
The advertisers are the ones paying, you know, for the platform to be a thing.
It's not us, the users, that are paying for it.
YouTube's free.
So who's paying, right?
They're monetizing us.
They're monetizing us, the users and the viewers.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's where it gets tricky, right?
Because as soon as the advertisers get on board, they say, look, we want to give you money, but this content is not advertiser-friendly.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
And then they start moving stuff around and demonetizing things.
And with demonetization, the real thing that they're doing, in a lot of ways, whether it's intentional or not, is you're influencing what people post.
You're asking them to self-censor.
Because if you say, hey, you guys want to discuss...
Abortion rights or, you know, there's some things that you start discussing them and they will automatically demonetize you.
hotep jesus
Yeah, well, who was the girl that put out the abortion documentary, right?
And they snatched that down.
I forget what it's called.
I'm bad at memorizing these things, but there was basically an anti-abortion thing that exposed some things about abortion.
There was a documentary, and I believe the day it went up, it got shut down.
She had to re-upload it.
Was it Lauren Southern?
Might have been Lauren Southern.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's those two cute white chicks that everybody thinks are super racist.
Lauren Southern and Tammy.
What's the other one?
Tammy Lauren.
hotep jesus
Tommy Lauren.
joe rogan
Tommy Lauren.
hotep jesus
So she did a documentary, but then you have like the James O'Keefe thing where, you know, he put up the exposing YouTube and then that got, you know, obviously they're going to take it down.
joe rogan
The most recent one that exposed Google, right?
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've been asking people about that.
I'm like, okay, break this down for me.
Is there any way that this could have been deceptively advertised or deceptively edited?
It seems to me like they're saying that they're going to manipulate search results and they're going to manipulate the way people see things because of the 2016 election.
They don't want that happening again in 2020. That's what it seems when I'm looking at it.
hotep jesus
Absolutely.
That's exactly what it looks like.
Could it be doctored?
Of course it could.
That's always possible.
When you go and experience it for yourself, like what I was talking about with doing a keyword search, you start seeing the parallels.
And then Uncle Hotep, his channel was doing great, and then the algorithm flipped, and next thing you know, he wasn't making the same money anymore.
So it's like, I don't have to go to some doctor video or whatever video to understand this problem.
The people around me are being affected by it.
This is a primary source.
I don't have to look at somebody on the internet.
In a way, I don't like playing victim with the topic.
It's their platform.
Do what you want with it.
We choose to be there.
We don't have to be there.
joe rogan
There's not another game in town, though.
hotep jesus
It's not.
joe rogan
It's weird, right?
When you think about how big the internet is, there's only one YouTube.
Right.
Vimeo and all those other ones, they're great, but...
hotep jesus
Well, I always relate it to the black community.
The black community always say, oh, white people this, white people that, white people this, white people that.
They're not giving us opportunity.
And it's always like, well, is that the only opportunity?
Can you not create your own opportunity?
You know what I mean?
So I never want to take a victim mentality and say, oh, let's take Google to court, all this stuff.
It's like, if you want to do that, that's fine.
That's not how I'm looking at this.
I'm looking at it long term, like hooking up with Andrew Torb over at Gap.
You know what I mean?
And building tools.
So, you know, we do the coin bits app dot com and creators can actually it's it's based upon approval right now.
But creators can go on there and receive Bitcoin as a donation.
You know, so we're circumventing the things that happen like with the deep platforming at Patreon.
Right.
And the other payment platforms for creators.
So we're creating tools to circumvent these things.
So that's how I look at it.
I'm like, oh, Google's doing this?
Great!
This is a great opportunity here.
Let me seize it and let me build it and be the alternative.
I love to see that.
Is the alternative going to be YouTube and as popular?
Of course not.
It's just not.
But it's still a viable option.
You can still communicate with your people.
The number one communication tool for an influencer with their community is email.
Build your email list, right?
People still subscribe to your email list, right?
That's not YouTube.
That's not Google.
That's your email list.
That's your contact list.
So it's like you can complain about YouTube or Google, but you can build your audience almost anywhere.
It depends on how powerful you are.
Are you powerful enough to convince people to come to this other platform or to wherever you are?
A lot of people are powerful enough to pack a room at $2,000 a ticket.
You tell me you can't get somebody to go to another platform for free?
joe rogan
Who charges $2,000 a ticket?
hotep jesus
I mean, a lot of these speakers, you know, like the Tony Robbins type cats.
joe rogan
He charges $2,000?
hotep jesus
I think he charges like $10,000.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think some of his stuff is like 10. But he's doing like these week-long events where everybody gets together.
I'm going to change your life.
Doing karate kicks and shit.
hotep jesus
Well, that's how you get the bigger check.
You got to create a bigger experience.
So it's like, all right, so we'll do a one day 2K, right?
It's like, well, how do I get 10K? It's like, well, let's just extend it for the week and, you know, add like, you know, the kickboxing class and, you know, we'll chat in the sauna.
You just, you know, create that's part of marketing, you know?
But, yeah, I'm not complaining about these tech companies, man.
I'm not scared of these dudes, man.
The content is us.
joe rogan
The content is certainly us.
What I got from talking to Jack and Vidja was it's almost impossible to manage a site like that.
Just the influx of...
I used to have a message board on my website.
One of the things that I noticed before we shut it down was I was getting...
Thousands and thousands of Russian emails that were signing up for my website.
Remember that, Jamie?
This is years ago.
This is like three years ago.
I mean, fucking tens of thousands of Russian email addresses were signing up, like similar addresses.
It was something like the IRA, something like the Internet Research Agency, which does that, which is responsible for all those fake pages on Facebook and Google and Instagram and all that shit.
And they were signing up for websites that had message boards, and then they would jump on and pretend that they were whatever the fuck they were.
Pretend that they were a social justice warrior.
Pretend that they were with Black Lives Matter.
And they just start fights, start arguments.
And I was like, wow, this is fascinating.
And then when it also happened, and then it happened with Facebook, and it became a big part of the election, you realize, like, this is like concerted effort to use these platforms to wiggle.
So when you're Jack, or you're whoever runs Google, you have to look at that and go, okay, how the fuck do we manage that?
I mean, if we're into free speech, we should just let these people manipulate everybody.
hotep jesus
Right.
Yeah, let it be Wild Wild West.
joe rogan
I mean, it's...
When you have these people that are working for the Russians or even people that are working on the left that are trying...
I mean, if there really is someone that's doing that to the Donald subreddit on Reddit, if you're into free speech, you're supposed to allow that, right?
hotep jesus
You could just create a metric or some sort of mechanism that red flags an account publicly.
joe rogan
Right, but I think this is where it gets slippery, right?
Because then you're talking about an algorithm.
You're talking about manipulating search results.
You're talking about...
hotep jesus
No, not that route.
What I'm saying is...
joe rogan
I mean, not that route, but this is where it goes, right?
If you just keep managing the content.
Instead of just...
Like someone like Gab, where they just let the content flow free.
But obviously, you go there.
There's a lot of dumpster fires, man.
It's like fucking chaos when you do that.
hotep jesus
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Nothing's going to be perfect.
I think whenever you see bad, that's good.
Oh yeah.
Bad is a portal to good.
It is an opportunity.
To fix something.
Because at some point, that problem was going to emerge.
It just emerged now.
So it's like, oh, wow, okay, here's this problem.
The solution every problem lies within a problem.
So technically, there is no problem.
So let's just go ahead and solve this problem and move on to the next one.
I love problems.
I love solving problems.
I think it's really fun.
So when I see a problem, I go, hmm, okay, let's think about this.
And sometimes it's not a one-person job.
It's a whole committee and a whole bunch of minds have to get together.
So when I look at the conservative community, I think about, you have all these minds, but are your minds working to complain or are your minds working to solve the problem?
And it seems like the minds aren't working to solve the problem.
They're working to complain, right?
So, for example, during the early 20th century, early 1900s is due with this newspaper super popular in New York.
And he put some inflammatory things about a certain family in New York City and all the department stores boycott the newspapers.
He has no advertisers.
So they did that to put him out of business.
And this gentleman takes the space and gives it to the proletariat or the, you know, small business guys in the area.
unidentified
And he gives them full front page ads, right?
hotep jesus
Stuff that the department stores couldn't buy.
And then what happened was, after the newspaper got a circling like that, the department stores came back and they said, yo, alright, fine, fine.
We'll pay.
We'll come back.
And he said, no, I don't need you anymore.
I have people that can do this.
I can do this with the people.
And his newspaper was successful until the day he died.
So when I look at that example that was able to thrive in 1920 or something or 1910 or whatever it was, I look at it and I'm like, if this guy just stood on his laurels, And didn't bow, you know, then why can't we do it as a nation or as a team?
You know, I think it's very possible to.
So, for example, like when we look at Gap, right, there's a new competitor.
I'm not going to mention a name, but it's like they whoever was the establishment created this alternative platform to compete with Gap.
joe rogan
There's another purpose.
Yeah, you don't want to mention the name?
hotep jesus
No, screw them.
joe rogan
Really?
hotep jesus
Yeah, fuck them.
joe rogan
What's bad about them?
hotep jesus
They're establishment, right?
joe rogan
Oh.
So when I look at- So establishment has created another free speech platform?
hotep jesus
Allegedly.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
hotep jesus
They're just going to collect the data on these people and then sell it off.
joe rogan
What makes you think that?
hotep jesus
Intuition.
Hotep's been told you.
joe rogan
You should make a shirt.
That should be a shirt.
hotep jesus
Oh, we got a shirt.
joe rogan
Hotep's been told you?
hotep jesus
Yeah, that's our show.
unidentified
Oh.
Yeah, yeah.
hotep jesus
Me and Uncle Hotep, that's our show every Thursday, 8 p.m.
Eastern time.
So, yeah.
I've been calling a lot of these shots and a lot of these things.
And there's just certain things that...
I'm a tech startup founder, right?
Right.
It's certain things I can see within a business that the average person can't see.
And I'm like, ah, that doesn't make sense.
That doesn't look right.
And when you see, you know, as a tech startup, it's really hard to get going, right?
At first.
But when you see like MSNBC, and it's just like, how'd you get all this coverage that fast?
Who do you know?
You know what I mean?
And then you start seeing the influencers that are going over there and pushing them like, oh, these are all the establishments.
I see what's going on.
What you didn't want, you didn't want an alternative platform.
That you didn't control.
joe rogan
Okay.
So they're creating an alternative platform that they can control.
hotep jesus
That they can control.
joe rogan
Air quotes alternative.
hotep jesus
Correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think the writing is on the wall, right?
If they look at the...
There's only one Twitter.
There's only one Instagram.
There's only one YouTube.
And those are giant.
And Facebook is basically the only thing like that, right?
I mean, there's really no competitor to Facebook in that space.
I mean, there's four of them.
hotep jesus
They're all trash.
Let's be honest.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
hotep jesus
It's all trash.
joe rogan
Hotep is going off.
hotep jesus
Facebook trash.
I've been saying that for like the past decade.
Facebook's trash.
I stopped using Facebook a decade ago, right?
If I used it, it was just like forced.
joe rogan
I use it as a publishing outlet.
When I put tour dates or something like that, I put it on Facebook.
I don't engage.
hotep jesus
Right, exactly.
So, you know, I can respect that.
I don't use Instagram.
I left it months ago when Farrakhan got kicked off the platform.
A bunch of conservatives got kicked off the platform.
I'm like, I don't need this shit neither.
So I left.
joe rogan
Did you keep your account just in case?
hotep jesus
Yeah, absolutely.
It's bookmarked.
I got an automated bot I'm going to set up and all that stuff.
So F these platforms.
We don't need them.
They're not that great.
If you look at the story on Instagram, Instagram was a...
A lucky project.
It was serendipitous, right?
Basically, what happened was some kids built a project.
It was called Instagram.
They were working on a whole bunch of other things.
Some popular kids started using the platform.
It blew up, and then they passed it on to Facebook.
From the very inception, I said this is a very trash product.
It's just horrible.
Horribly curated, right?
It's so horribly curated that Facebook can't even monetize the platform properly, right?
But that's a whole other story.
But the platform itself and its functionality is stupid.
It's just popular.
joe rogan
Well, you know what's weird is, like, replying to people and reading replies, like, in the comments.
Like, you can't even keep up with anything.
hotep jesus
No, no.
And you can't get all your notifications.
The notifications aren't curated properly.
It's just, it's like as if they don't care, right?
They don't care, right?
joe rogan
Is it that they don't care or is it that it got so big so quick and it's stuck in this format?
You'd have to kind of reformat the way it's...
hotep jesus
They don't care.
joe rogan
Don't think so?
hotep jesus
They don't care.
They don't care.
If you want to build a product for your user, you can do that.
If you want to build a product for advertisers, you can do that.
They built the product for advertisers and not for users.
If they built it for users, you and I will be able to have a conversation on that.
joe rogan
Well, isn't it originally, wasn't it Text America?
Was that the same thing?
Was Text America the original one?
That's the one where I have the picture of the prostitute in the bathroom.
jamie vernon
You mean like where you would text something to...
joe rogan
You'd send a photo.
You'd send a photo and a text message and it would go up to an internet website.
jamie vernon
It would be like on a site like Imgur or something, not like a feed where people would follow you like that, was it?
joe rogan
No, there was a thing that you would follow.
That's where that picture came from.
jamie vernon
I know that, but I didn't remember it being like a website or anything like that.
joe rogan
That was back when there was no applications, man, because I took that from a flip phone.
jamie vernon
Oh, then that's the big deal.
That's the difference.
We're on a phone or like a smartphone.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was no smartphones back then.
And then you would have to go to a website to see all your photos.
So you have a young Jamie Page on Text America and all the pictures that you had taken.
jamie vernon
The first photos on Instagram, a lot of people were, you'd be like, as a photographer, you'd be kind of like shit on if you weren't taking it with your iPhone only.
And you were uploading...
DSLR photos, you'd be like, oh, you're fucking cheating.
Look at you, like that kind of shit.
joe rogan
Right, but now it filters.
Like, some of these girls, they look like cartoons.
They don't even look like humans.
hotep jesus
You know, what comes down to is like, you know, what shit kahunas, right?
So, you know, a lot of people told me, they was like, yo, you missing out on a lot of money on Facebook.
You missing out on a lot of Instagram, money on Instagram.
My homie's a millionaire off of Instagram and Facebook advertising.
And he told me about it.
I'm like, yo, I'm not in this for money, bro.
I got a message to get across, and I can't get it across on these platforms.
They suck, right?
But are you going to have the cojones to come and say, I'm choosing my laurels over, I'm choosing my morals over the money?
Because there's a lot of people out here that are on the Facebook platform just for money.
I spoke to a conservative influencer and brother basically said, I'm trying to feed my daughter.
But the stuff he's putting out on Facebook, he doesn't believe in.
joe rogan
So he's just doing it for profit.
hotep jesus
He's doing it for profit.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's where it gets weird, right?
Because then people are not going to believe you once you say, well, I was doing that for money, but now I'm telling you the truth.
hotep jesus
These I'm talking about this.
These are the people that everybody believes.
These are the ones that have captured a large audience.
I mean, talking about, you know, type of money you can pull in on Facebook.
But, you know, he literally says, you know, I'll go on Twitter.
I'll make one tweet and then I get like 2000 retweets.
And then, you know, you know, you know, it's his brand just blows up like that.
But it's because he knows the buzzwords.
Right.
He knows what to say to get the people going.
I don't go that route.
You know what I mean?
If I don't like Facebook, I'm not going to use it.
If I don't like Facebook, I'm not going to use Instagram.
You know, I'm just going to, you know, stick with what I like.
I like Twitter and I told people in 2009 when I go to that, I'm Twitter, you know, I deal in marketing.
So I always say focus on one channel when it comes to social media, just one channel, unless you have the staff to manage.
joe rogan
Well, Twitter's how I found out about you, and that's how I found out about your videos, and I found out about you, and I watched your videos, and if that didn't exist, and the portal for the video, you're putting your videos on YouTube, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I mean, how else would someone get their message out?
If you think that these platforms are all trash, if they didn't exist, I wouldn't find out about you.
hotep jesus
Twitter's great.
joe rogan
Twitter's great.
hotep jesus
Remember, I've never mentioned Twitter, and I think you said all of them are trash.
All of them except for Twitter.
Twitter's my baby, man.
I love Twitter.
joe rogan
What do you like so much about Twitter?
hotep jesus
It's a perfect platform to crowdsource information, number one.
Like you said, without Twitter, I wouldn't be sitting here right now.
I could have never got to you on Facebook or Instagram.
That would have never happened.
joe rogan
Maybe Instagram.
Most of it is like, hey, one of my friends says, check out this guy.
This guy's cool.
This guy's interesting.
Maybe you should talk to this guy.
That's how it usually happens.
And then I'll go to your page, and I checked it out, and I saw a lot of interesting conversations you were having, and saw some videos.
hotep jesus
Well, the thing is, Instagram doesn't allow you to see in my heart.
They don't allow you to see in the soul.
Twitter, I can really connect with people.
joe rogan
How come you can't do that in Instagram?
hotep jesus
The algorithm, man.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean because it hides stuff?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
But once you develop a good following, it doesn't really matter.
People will go to your page, they'll go look for you.
hotep jesus
But how often can you post?
joe rogan
On Instagram?
How often can you post?
Well, you can't do it like Twitter where you can just do it every couple minutes.
hotep jesus
You see what I'm saying?
So if I wanted to, I could go from deep to where my middle-aged white women at.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
In 15 minutes time.
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
You know, I can take you deep and then I can make you laugh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
You know what I mean?
And I can share, you know, something else.
I can share my video.
joe rogan
And you can have photos on Twitter just like you could have on Instagram if you really wanted to.
hotep jesus
I can go live.
And so Twitter is great at how they curate the live feature, right?
It lands at the top of your phone on mobile, right?
It's beautiful.
Like they get product.
I don't feel like Instagram gets product.
But Twitter is...
Matter of fact, this is a great time.
I brought you my book.
joe rogan
I thought that was McDonald's or Burger King.
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
I was like, what is he eating that garbage from?
unidentified
This is your book?
hotep jesus
This is my book right here, Twitter Marketing.
I brought that for you.
It retails on...
joe rogan
How to build a cult-like following.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
And that's basically all my secrets on how I got on the Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan
I'm trying to remember who told me about you.
I want to give someone the credit.
hotep jesus
Well, you know, people said to me, you know, you should go on Joe Rogan.
So I retweeted it and then it started this firestorm in your mentions and then you followed me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
And then I retweeted it again.
joe rogan
I followed you because someone told me, though.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
I'm trying to remember who the fuck it is.
hotep jesus
Oh, it was somebody you knew?
joe rogan
Yeah, somebody I knew.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I think it was like a serendipitous thing.
I don't even know if they had seen you post that you're trying to get on the podcast.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
I think someone had just contacted me and said, hey, check out this guy's shit.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I watched some of the YouTube conversations.
It just looked like you were having a good time, but you were talking about serious shit.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
It's, you know, so I got kids, so...
When I teach my kids, it's always through edutainment.
If I can't make my kids laugh while I'm doing my lecture, every day when they come home from school, or I try to do every day, there's a lecture waiting for them.
I'm going to talk about something real in life.
joe rogan
How many kids do you have?
hotep jesus
Three.
My daughter's 16 and my boys are 10. I have twin boys.
Dallas, Phoenix, and Sydney.
They're all named after cities.
So every day they come home, I have a lecture waiting for them.
But when I prepare my lectures for them, I always figure, how am I going to make them laugh?
Because my son Dallas, he's very linear in thinking.
I could lecture, and he'll sit there and listen to every single word.
The other two are like me, though, just like zone out.
joe rogan
So your twins, are they identical twins?
hotep jesus
Fraternal.
unidentified
Fraternal.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So his brother and his sister, just like me, will all tune out and go into La La Land and start dating.
joe rogan
It's got to be weird when you have two kids that were born at the exact same time.
They're twins, but yet they're totally different.
hotep jesus
Yeah, and they look different.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
hotep jesus
One's brown skin, one's light skin.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Both come out of the box at the same time, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
You know, it's a crazy dynamic.
joe rogan
Genetics are nuts, man.
hotep jesus
Yeah, their personalities are very different.
joe rogan
That is one of the things that tripped me out the most about having kids.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's how does they are their own little person out of the fucking box.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You influence them a little.
You teach them.
You can give them morals and ethics, and you can set a good example.
But, boy, they come with their own unique set of ingredients.
hotep jesus
Yeah, they do.
Yeah, they do.
And, you know, I don't try to change that.
All I try to do is push them in that direction.
Like, whichever way you're going, I'm just going to try and assist that.
You know, I don't try to, like, bring you back this way.
So my son Dallas, he likes to draw, you know, and I'm like, all right, well, here's some YouTube videos, tutorials, do it every day.
My son, Phoenix, is like, I want to have my own comic book.
I'm like, well, start writing it.
And he starts writing his comic book.
And then he comes and he asks me questions and I help him.
We share in the Google Doc and we just do the damn thing.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's cool.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
They're little startups.
So you kind of just got to feed them.
joe rogan
That's a good way of looking at it.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
You just got to water them, man, and just let them grow.
I think sometimes we try to prune them too much.
joe rogan
Well, you definitely see that a lot with people that are too, they're just way too heavy-handed with their kids, and the kids are just always resisting.
hotep jesus
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They're just constantly, just get the fuck away from me, man.
That shit's unnecessary.
It's unnecessary, it's unproductive, and you're gonna develop a rift between you and your kids.
hotep jesus
Yeah, so this story I always tell is, you know, when you're black and you go in the supermarket, you get that talk like, you better not go in here, you better not touch that, don't ask for nothing, right?
So, you know, that's how I grew up.
A lot of us grew up.
So when I go into the supermarket or I went to the supermarket this one time and my son is Phoenix, my twin, he's running around in the supermarket.
And, you know, I try not to yell at my kids and all that stuff, right?
So I just tap his brother and sister on the shoulder and I said, look at him, look at him, look at him.
And they look, and then we just start laughing at him.
So he turns around and goes, like, why are y'all laughing at me?
So then I start imitating, doing all that type stuff.
And so I put the mirror in front of him.
I call it the mirror.
And when he does that, never again.
It's not a problem again.
I didn't have to yell at him.
I didn't have to hit him.
I didn't have to cuss him out.
I didn't have to threaten him.
It's just basic psychology.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of the hardest things for people to do, to see how other people see them.
When someone sees you with humor and you look like a fool, like, oh shit, that's me?
Damn, that is me.
hotep jesus
Yeah, exactly.
So you just got to put your mirror up.
But, you know, Twitter, you know, I handle everything.
You know, I figure you can't change culture through lecture.
You change culture through entertainment.
joe rogan
What do you think about all this talk, like Elizabeth Warren's talked about it and some other candidates have talked about it, some other politicians have talked about breaking up these big companies, breaking up Facebook, it's too big, break up Google, break up Twitter.
What do you think about that?
hotep jesus
Well, I think we have to study what happened to Standard Oil.
joe rogan
What happened to Standard Oil?
hotep jesus
Standard Oil, they broke it up and it became...
Exxon, Chevron, Texaco, I think BP. Don't quote me on that one.
unidentified
Does anybody have brand loyalty to gas?
joe rogan
Is anybody like, dude, I'm a Chevron man?
hotep jesus
They create those cards, right?
joe rogan
Oh, loyalty cards?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
hotep jesus
So that's how they create a loyalty program.
joe rogan
Here it is.
The evolution of Standard Oil.
Jamie pulled it up on the screen.
hotep jesus
Yeah, there you go.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So Standard Oil was too big.
Yeah.
Like, fuck this place.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
We have to move it around a little bit.
1911. Standard Oil of...
In 1911 they did this.
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
So if you look at it, it's broken up into...
I think it says 34, right?
34 companies, right?
So you see Stardom on the left, right?
And then as you go, what do you see?
You see a consolidation, don't you?
joe rogan
Merged.
hotep jesus
You see these merges?
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
So when you break up a monopoly...
You're not really breaking up a monopoly.
What you're doing is you're creating a divide and conquer dynamic.
So it's like, okay, I'll let my brother control this one, my sister control that one, my cousin control this one, and you actually corner the market.
unidentified
So breaking up a monopoly isn't exactly a good thing.
joe rogan
In that case.
Yeah.
hotep jesus
In that case.
And I think we'll see the same thing with Google.
If we break up Google, what you're going to do is just have little subsidiaries or little satellite things that will just control a certain segment under a different name, which will make it harder to track back to its source.
So, you know, when I say, you know, breakup monopoly, I think that the establishment's like, yeah, come on, break me up, baby.
joe rogan
Do you think so?
unidentified
Do you think they want it?
joe rogan
I don't think they want to lose any control.
I certainly don't think Facebook does.
hotep jesus
It's not losing control, though.
unidentified
They're trying to get rid of Zuckerberg forever.
joe rogan
Right?
Aren't they trying to get rid of him?
The board members are like...
hotep jesus
That's what they claim, but...
joe rogan
Get that robot out of here.
Look at the way he drinks water.
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
He does look like a robot.
joe rogan
The way he drinks water in front of Congress.
hotep jesus
But isn't that socialism?
That's socialism.
When the government comes in and tells you what you can do with your corporation, that's socialism.
So what I feel is like the powers that be are pushing socialism are like, we can use this as an excuse to infiltrate corporations and start controlling this internet space.
So the internet space is now communist.
joe rogan
I'm of the opinion, though, that if we believe in freedom of speech and you create something that's so big that it's essentially a town square, which is what I think these platforms are, if you ban people, especially if you ban people for shit like Learn to Code, Like things that don't make any sense.
There's people that are getting banned for some pretty ridiculous ideas.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
That as soon as you start doing something like that, you are going against the fundamental ideas this country has found on.
hotep jesus
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Freedom of speech.
I think it's incredibly important that if you have someone saying something that you think is wrong or is hurtful, there should be an avenue where people can examine that and talk about it and combat it.
it with good speech.
Yeah.
With speech that makes sense.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
Well, you know, a couple of years ago, last year, I forget, no, it was about a couple of years ago, I was lambasted for defending white nationalists.
You know, when they first got deplatformed, some of them got deplatformed with just white nationalists, period.
I'm like, well, if this is how these people feel, let's listen to them.
Let's listen to their gripes.
What are they mad about?
Right?
These people are racist.
I don't care if they're racist.
That doesn't affect me.
I'm not asking them for a job so they can't be racist towards me.
You know what I mean?
But when you have these groups that people call fringe, I feel like the people that are fringe Are the test for freedom of speech.
It's not the people in the middle.
It's the fringe groups on the outside.
If they don't have freedom of speech, everybody in the middle is screwed.
So I stood up and I was like, yo, let these dudes talk.
Stop doing that.
I don't care if they're racist or whatever.
People call me names.
But then now you see it coming down.
And we lost Louis Farrakhan.
He got deplatformed.
He lost his verification.
joe rogan
Was there anything specifically that he said that allowed him to do that?
Did they just make a sweeping?
Because they got rid of Milo.
They got rid of Gavin McGinnis.
They got rid of a bunch of people that were on Instagram and Facebook that they hadn't deplatformed.
But it didn't seem like there was anything that happened that caused them to do that.
It seemed like they just made some sort of a decision that I think was probably based on preparing for the 2020 election.
hotep jesus
Absolutely.
So what I think what happened was the banning of Louis Farrakhan.
It's just a theory, but they were like, all right, if we ban these conservatives, the conservative crowd is going to just go apeshit, right?
But if we throw them Louis Farrakhan...
It'll kind of settle things down a little bit because it'll look like we're fair.
joe rogan
I think you're exactly right.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So I'm like, so that's what they did.
They're like, ah, let's throw them in there and smooth things over.
joe rogan
That's exactly what I thought when I saw it.
hotep jesus
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was like, this seems weird.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like they have to justify.
Like, no, we got rid of him too.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a strange time because even though there is Gab and there's Mines and there's a couple other startups that are trying to make their way, the Jordan Peterson one, there's nothing that really stands out.
And once a giant group of people starts using something, Unless it's like, what's hilarious is when one of them vanished, like MySpace.
How fucking badly did they manage MySpace?
Because MySpace had it all.
They had everybody.
And then it just fucking died.
And it's still around, but now it's like some fringe music publishing platform.
It's very weird.
It still exists.
But what Twitter is right now, and what Facebook is right now, and what Instagram is right now, It seems like there's no real competitors, specifically YouTube.
There's no real competitors to these people.
hotep jesus
Because when, you know, I don't want to, you know, dog pod on, you know, minds or gab or anything, but the problem is, when you build a social network, and this is why I will not build a social network, at least not into the next 10 years, you have to understand that you can't build a social network that mimics another one.
It has to be different.
That's why SNAP is still here.
SNAP is inside a certain demographic.
That's my daughter's generation.
That's them.
They're on SNAP. So when you build these things, You really have to sit down and say, like, you know, what are we going to focus on?
Like with minds, right?
You post videos, you post photos, and then how do the photos appear, right?
So when I look at minds, minds is my Instagram.
When you look at minds on mobile, the font's really small.
So it's like, I can't read this, so I'm just going to use this for photos.
When I put the photos, it pops up, right?
So it's like, is mine going to go that route?
Are they going to go the video route?
Are they going to go the tweet route?
You got to pick one and then grow from there.
If you look at Twitter, Twitter didn't have all these features in the beginning.
You just had tweet.
That's it.
There was no threads.
You know what I mean?
There's none of that.
So you have to start at your core.
But the other problem they do is they try to build these social networks.
Completely robust, right?
With all the bells and whistles of the giants.
Nah, bro.
You gotta start small and slim and then let your audience tell you what the next feature is.
joe rogan
So if you were going to start one up, what would it be?
hotep jesus
I don't know.
joe rogan
Or do you not want to give out that information?
hotep jesus
No, it's not I don't want to give it out information.
I think information should be free, but you know, I... I hate the idea that people want to create social networks.
I'm like, they exist.
Let's use the ones that exist, and let's just figure out how to make them better, right?
joe rogan
But when you do that, then those have so much power because they can dictate who's on and who's not on.
hotep jesus
Right.
So what you do is, when you have something like a Twitter, you use your Twitter to congregate your minds, right?
But then your bills of the world, your Andrew Torbers of the world have to listen to the community, right?
And then curate their product around what the community needs, right?
Andrew Tober figured out what the dissenter, when he found out, oh, the internet is blocking comments.
So he created, you know, you can comment on anywhere on the internet, and then Google Chrome smashed it, right?
I said, get that out of here.
joe rogan
Yeah, why do they do that?
What was the justification for getting rid of that?
hotep jesus
They want to censor information.
joe rogan
Is that what they want to do or they want to keep a competitor from using their platform and profiting off of it?
That's how I looked at it.
I looked at it from a marketing or a business perspective.
hotep jesus
Nah, I ain't worried about his name.
joe rogan
Because it could be, but if it becomes huge, I mean, anything can become huge if it's useful.
It seemed useful to me that they were going to be able to comment on anything.
You'll have like a little link, and if you use Gab, you can comment on anything that comes up.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you can look at it like that.
I don't.
I feel like their budgets are so huge, their cash reserves are so huge that they're not worried about competition at all.
You know, what they're worried about is controlling thought.
And that's their primary goal.
Control thought, right?
For the betterment of the ruling class.
And that's, to me, that's the end of it all.
But these people that create tech products, like when we create CoinBits app, or for example, my app Jiffetize.
You can only do one thing on Jifritize.
The only thing you can do is save a video or Jif from Twitter.
joe rogan
I always call it GIF. Is it Jif?
hotep jesus
I think it's Jif.
joe rogan
I don't think I ever hear anybody say it.
hotep jesus
GIF could be correct.
joe rogan
Could be correct.
Do you know what you call it, Jamie?
I call it GIF. GIF, GIF. GIF is peanut butter.
hotep jesus
GIF is peanut butter.
But our app does one thing, right?
And people love it.
When I first came on as a co-founder, this app did more than that.
And when it did more than that, it didn't do as well as it does now.
joe rogan
What did it used to do?
hotep jesus
It had incentives to share the app.
You could edit GIFs.
You could put text on them.
Crop them.
All types of like...
It had an editor in there.
So I was like, yo, take this editor, toss it out.
Oh, we had a keyboard.
You know, it still has a keyboard, but I was like, took some of the functionalities, and I just started taking stuff out.
Just like, get this out of here, get this out of here, get this out of here, and slim it down, right?
As soon as we slimmed it down, we gave it a new face.
Boom!
Our revenue quadruple.
joe rogan
What's it again?
Tell people to get it.
hotep jesus
Yeah, GIFITIZE. GIFITIZE. There it is.
joe rogan
Jamie's got it.
Yeah, GIFITIZE. The ultimate Twitter GIF downloader.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
And this thing's about to be super huge.
We have a gallery coming soon, and that's going to be awesome.
It's going to be perfectly curated.
I'll speak to my partner Simone this morning about that.
joe rogan
That's one of the fun things about Twitter.
When someone says something stupid and then you look at all the GIFs underneath it, all the memes and GIFs.
hotep jesus
Yeah, so we empower people.
Black Twitter is on our app.
So whenever there's a new video out, something funny happens and you use it as a reaction.
So on iOS there's no way to save it.
Now you can with our app.
But our app only does one thing.
Everybody and they love it, right?
unidentified
That's the core of the business.
hotep jesus
What's the core of minds?
What's the core of gap?
What's the core feature?
Does anybody know?
There is not a core feature.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would say just something as an alternative to traditional media.
hotep jesus
You see what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
So there is no uniqueness.
Where there is no uniqueness, you can't compete.
You have to first create uniqueness or fill a need.
There's no need for me to be on these other platforms.
joe rogan
The problem is when you get on those other platforms and there's no one there, you go, ah, let me go back to Twitter real quick.
hotep jesus
Yeah, and that's why I say when you build a social network, before you build a network, I mean, before you build the platform, you have to build a network.
joe rogan
Well, it's interesting if you go back to like 2003 when MySpace was king, and then you imagine what the world would be like 16 years later, no one would have saw this coming.
No one would have saw all these social media platforms and that it's used as a way of breaking news now.
I mean, especially in places that don't have real objective news.
So if you're in some country that's some war-torn country and some horrible shit is going down, You see the news breaking on Twitter before anywhere, which is really interesting.
hotep jesus
Oh, yeah.
That's why I tell people, like, screw Facebook and Instagram.
The news breaks on Twitter.
You know, by the time my friend shows me a video, I'm like, I saw that on Twitter like two weeks ago, bro.
Because he's on Facebook or he's on Instagram.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
So it's like, how do you market a product or market yourself when you're two weeks behind?
joe rogan
Is everything two weeks behind on Instagram, though?
I get a lot of shit on Instagram, too.
hotep jesus
But you're Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Yeah, I am.
hotep jesus
So it's a bit different, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
I guess, yeah.
hotep jesus
And it depends on who you're surrounded by, right?
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
So when we talk about a network, it's like, you know, who are the people connected to you?
joe rogan
Who are you following?
Who are you interacting with?
Right.
But I get, like, well, that's not true.
I was going to say I get, like, most of the fucked up videos of news stories of bad things that are happening in the news come to me on Instagram.
hotep jesus
They send it to you.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I think it's even.
I think it's even with Instagram and Twitter, people sending me things.
hotep jesus
Well, when you're Joe Rogan, even if you're a Hotep Jesus, people will say to me, how do you know so much?
unidentified
I'm like, yo, my followers send me books and links and stuff like that.
hotep jesus
They're just sending it to me.
Sometimes I ask, sometimes I don't, but they're volunteering information.
you're in that position you know you can afford it but when so the key to marketing is this you know you got your four p's of marketing but the key to marketing is relevance if what you're talking about is irrelevant nobody's paying attention to you right yeah so the only thing that makes some of these platforms relevant is the juxtaposition to the big tech giants you remove the tech giants are you still relevant what makes you relevant right Right, right.
joe rogan
That's where a lot of people that do content, whether they're podcasters or whatever, they probably should be thinking about developing an email list and putting things on their website, having something available independently of these big platforms.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately.
hotep jesus
Doing what?
joe rogan
But something independent of these big platforms where like if – I mean you see all these people that have gotten deplatformed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I don't think I'm at the risk of that.
But if the – I didn't think these people were just a few years ago.
As the climate shifts and people get more and more radical with this idea of deplatforming, I think it becomes like a game of like shooting ducks.
People get excited about it.
They like taking people out, whether it makes sense or not.
And I think there's a lot of that going on, where people are calling for people to be deplatformed just because they disagree with them.
And so far, these big tech companies have resisted some of it, but not enough of it for my taste.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, you know, my boy Alex Jones, they got him out of here.
I think, you know, if I was Alex, my ego would be so huge after getting deplatformed.
joe rogan
Well, when we did a podcast together after he was deplatformed, it was one of the biggest podcasts of all time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What did they get, like, 16 million YouTube videos or something?
hotep jesus
Yeah, that's your highest one, yeah.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, YouTube did not demonetize that one.
We let them know in advance, just, heads up, Alex Jones is coming on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they just took that money.
It's interesting how it works, right?
Like, what they choose to deplatform, what they don't choose to.
You know, it's...
I mean, I don't like the argument that they're doing it for our good.
I don't think they are.
hotep jesus
Who made them God?
Who made them mom and said, this is good for you?
joe rogan
Do you think they should be forced to follow the First Amendment?
hotep jesus
No.
joe rogan
What do you think they should be forced to do?
Nothing?
hotep jesus
Nothing.
I think they should be...
Operating in a manner that doesn't hurt Earth.
It doesn't hurt nature, right?
If they're polluting or doing something that harms somebody specifically, then yes, right?
joe rogan
So if they become a giant monopoly just because they're better than everything else that's available like YouTube has become, then they run the show.
hotep jesus
But there's always the underground.
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Look at hip-hop, right?
There's always been an underground in hip-hop.
joe rogan
Comedy as well.
hotep jesus
Comedy as well.
You know, so you got dudes, you know, so I was talking to somebody the other day and we were talking about conscious hip-hop and dudes said, oh, there's no money in conscious hip-hop.
I'm like, what?
Pharoah Monch tours consistently.
joe rogan
Dead Prez.
Dead Prez tours consistently.
They've never had any mainstream attention at all.
The closest thing they had to mainstream was when Dave Chappelle's block party.
hotep jesus
Okay.
joe rogan
That was about it.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So it's like, you don't need mainstream.
We don't need mainstream.
Here's the thing with mainstream.
When you get mainstream, you're that bitch now.
You got to play by their rules.
You know?
And once you break those rules, you get deplatformed.
What you need to do is you need to focus on building your own platform.
So they can't touch you when you get to a certain place.
joe rogan
Say if you were helping me out.
I called you in Hotep Jesus.
I need some help.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
What do I do with this platform?
hotep jesus
This platform right here?
joe rogan
This platform right here.
hotep jesus
Oh, dang.
joe rogan
What if they come down on us?
hotep jesus
So you got to self-host it probably on blockchain.
I would definitely, BitChute just locked up.
joe rogan
How do I self-host it on blockchain?
hotep jesus
I don't know.
joe rogan
Blockchain is one of those words that I use that I don't really understand.
hotep jesus
Me too.
I just say it because it's a cool buzzword, right?
joe rogan
That's a great word.
It sounds like if some dude is a tech guy like yourself, is a tech startup, and you start talking about blockchain, I go, oh, yeah.
I just nod my head, yeah, blockchain.
jamie vernon
My friend uploaded MP3 to the BSV network, maybe.
hotep jesus
Okay.
jamie vernon
It's just very confusing.
And I was trying to ask him, now that it's on there, how are people going to get it?
And he wanted to just be the first on there, which he is.
It might not be BSV. I might be speaking wrong.
joe rogan
Is that your rapper friend?
jamie vernon
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie vernon
Hey, well, he's ahead of this.
He's just like him on some of this Bitcoin stuff.
But that's where it's at.
And I was talking to him for that.
He's almost my guinea pig.
Like, all right, you did it.
How you figured it out.
Now, how do I get a three-hour podcast on there?
And how are people going to get it?
And it's like, it's not figured out yet.
People are definitely working on it.
And every day there's been advances.
I just don't know how it's going to go.
hotep jesus
I mean, you could build your own cloud.
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
Build your own cloud and self-host.
You know what else you could do?
You could connect with all your other celebrity buddies, pool your resources together, and just build a competitor and then own this space and be like, I'm the new YouTube.
It's called Rogentube now.
You know what I mean?
You could do that and then everybody just runs to your platform.
I'd support it.
joe rogan
I'd have to have a way better name.
jamie vernon
How do you do that without using Google's cloud services?
joe rogan
What you need to do is buy Vimeo.
Vimeo's dying on the vine.
That bitch is barely alive.
hotep jesus
So these questions that you ask, right?
jamie vernon
They own the internet, kind of.
Right.
unidentified
Almost.
hotep jesus
So these questions that you ask, I don't know, I don't code, right?
So what we do is we get the best tech minds in the building and we ask them the questions.
Hey, answer this.
It's not like they can't answer them.
They're going to find solutions.
There's always a way.
You know, just got to put the right minds in the room.
joe rogan
The right minds in the room and the right people that are influencers that can get the word out.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you have to follow the drop on the napkin rule.
And, you know, when you put the drop on the napkin, it spreads out, right?
So you got to figure, you know, who's your network?
And then, you know, maybe build like 12 people around and make sure that these people are linked, you know, based upon interest, right?
So then it starts at those interest points or affinities.
And then the next tier grows out from there.
But as long as that tight-knit group...
Alright, so the problem with Gap, right?
It's all...
People say, oh, it's all Nazis, right?
unidentified
Well, that's that tight-knit group.
joe rogan
A tight-knit group of Nazis.
Gap should sell a shirt that says that.
It's not just that, though.
hotep jesus
It's not just that.
joe rogan
If you have a hundred regular folks and one Nazi, that Nazi becomes the defining factor of the group.
Like, oh, there's Nazis in there.
hotep jesus
Right.
So, you know, it's not that at all, but...
There is a strong white nationalist movement that first gravitated over there.
If he didn't have that, there would be no gab.
joe rogan
You think so?
hotep jesus
I mean, I don't think so at all.
joe rogan
Really?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
Like, who would go there?
joe rogan
People that got kicked off of Twitter.
hotep jesus
But the only people that got kicked off Twitter in the early days were the white nationalists.
joe rogan
Well, who was the first people?
If you go back to...
hotep jesus
Gavin McGinnis.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Gavin McGinnis is an interesting character.
He does not...
He doesn't identify as a white nationalist.
hotep jesus
No, he does not.
joe rogan
And his wife is actually Native American.
He's just made some stupid choices.
hotep jesus
Right.
Well, I mean, like Baked Alaska was kind of thrown into that conversation.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's just like a meme maker.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He's a guy who makes funny memes.
hotep jesus
Very funny, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Very entertaining.
But I think it comes down to who's dangerous or not.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, the Proud Boys became a dangerous idea because once you have a group and you don't control who joins the group, then assholes can join your group and then your group is made out of assholes.
And you're like, well, I didn't want it to be assholes, but you let anybody in.
If you let anybody in a group...
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I used to have a joke about vegans about that.
The problem with any group is the same.
Like, if you get any group of 100 people, if you're in a room with 100 people...
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's the odds that one of them is going to be a fucking idiot?
Well, it's 100%.
One of them is going to be a fucking idiot.
Well, if you have 300 million people, you're going to have, by odds, 3 million fucking idiots.
And the joke was, a lot of them are vegans.
It's not that there's anything wrong with vegans.
It's with a group, and people just identify.
They get in that group, and this is my group, and I'm here to represent.
And then, it's just dummies.
hotep jesus
The thing with the Proud Boys is, the ruling elite are afraid of men.
It's a huge soy boy movement coming down the pipe.
Soy everywhere.
If anybody's listening right now, or everybody that's listening right now, soy is bad for you.
joe rogan
It's not good.
hotep jesus
It is very bad for you.
joe rogan
It's processed nonsense.
It gives you estrogen.
unidentified
Yes.
hotep jesus
Well, it activates the phytoestrogens.
It has active phytoestrogens that attack the endocrine gland system.
Now, when we look at the endocrine gland system, for people in the spiritual world, the endocrine gland system is the physical manifestation of the so-called chakras.
Now, at the heart chakra, what we have is called the thymus gland.
And the thymus gland is the one that controls your sexual maturity.
And when you have an endocrine gland disruptor, your sexual maturity is affected.
So a man who would ordinarily like women now likes, you see what I'm saying?
joe rogan
But wouldn't you have to have massive quantities of soy for that to take place?
hotep jesus
That's subjective based upon your biological structure.
joe rogan
I always think of it as more as like a fun thing to say.
I don't think, you know, eat too much tofu, you turn into a bitch.
hotep jesus
Well, here's the thing.
You can't go in a grocery store and find something that doesn't have soy.
When you go look at your Cheez-Its or your crackers, it always says soy lecithin.
Soy in everything.
Soy everywhere, right?
They use it as filler for some meats.
So the whole vegan movement, right?
You go and you go get your vegan burger.
A lot of these burgers are soy-based.
joe rogan
A lot of them are plant-based, for sure.
Plant-based oils.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
Which is not good for you.
hotep jesus
Right.
And then you also look at the links between soy and cancer, but that's a whole other story.
But when you have something that's disrupting your so-called chakras, you can see how you can start affecting an entire population of people, right?
You start affecting their development at an early age.
And then, you know, you got these men who are acting like women who can't even, you know, control their wives.
You got some men out here that let another man sleep with their girlfriend, right?
Out here?
I don't know about out here.
joe rogan
What are you saying out here?
hotep jesus
Well, when I say out here, I mean- That's everywhere.
joe rogan
Out in the world.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But- But isn't that just people are just kinky and the weird shit?
hotep jesus
Well, no.
No.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
hotep jesus
No.
joe rogan
What do you think it is?
hotep jesus
I think it's pushed.
I think debauchery is highly pushed, yeah.
joe rogan
By who?
hotep jesus
The ruling elite.
The ruling class.
I want to say elite because they're not elite.
joe rogan
They really have time to sit around and go, you know what we need to do?
We need to push debauchery.
hotep jesus
Well, when you look at the degradation of Russia, right, before the Bolshevik Revolution, what they do is they come in first with alcohol, right?
So they purchase your hops and your barley and they produce alcohol.
Then what they do is they sell the alcohol to the farmer on credit because he ain't got no money, right?
Because he's been drunk.
He hasn't been producing the crops like he should.
He falls into credit.
He falls into debt.
When he falls into debt, he's now a slave to the land he once owned.
Now I can sell whatever I want to this population or give this population whatever I want because they are now technically my slave.
But in order to rule a nation of people, you have to destroy morality.
You have to destroy integrity.
So you feed them drugs, alcohol, and sex.
And then tear apart the family.
joe rogan
But do you think that that's just a natural progression of people's slovenly instincts?
Or do you think that's some sort of a grand plan?
hotep jesus
Do you think people have a slovenly instinct?
joe rogan
Some people do.
I think some people are lazy, and some people are weak, and some people are greedy, and some people just...
They lean towards just pleasure without sacrifice and discipline because it's easy.
They just lay in bed and jerk off.
I don't think anybody's telling them.
I don't think there's any sinister government manipulating their strings that makes them watch porn all day.
hotep jesus
Well, yeah.
Actually, Instagram's a gateway to porn.
Instagram, you can't go on Instagram without looking at some booty.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's also a gateway to sunsets and people's kids and muscle cars and a lot of cool shit.
hotep jesus
Come on, Joe.
Anybody going on Instagram?
Look at that sunsets.
People are going on Instagram and look at booty.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
hotep jesus
The yoga community has went from, hey, check out my bakasana to check out my backside.
unidentified
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
hotep jesus
In these yoga pants, right?
joe rogan
A lot of yoga pants pics.
hotep jesus
Booty.
Just booty alone is an industry.
joe rogan
It is a giant industry.
hotep jesus
On Instagram.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
So what happens is you wake up in the morning, you check your notifications, then your homie tags you, yo, look at this chick.
Boom!
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
Now you have an erection.
What's the first thing you do?
You're like, ah, let me go to my browser, open an incognito browser and hit Pornhub.
Boom!
Now you out of here, right?
Now your day's done.
You just depleted your energy, right?
And this is coming out of my book where I talk about, you know, why you shouldn't jerk off and all that stuff.
joe rogan
You write that you shouldn't jerk off?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
Never?
Well, there's a calculation.
joe rogan
You have a jerk-off algorithm?
hotep jesus
Yeah, there's a jerk-off algorithm.
It's created by the Taoist sexology.
And I think it's your age times 2. No, your age divided by 2 times 100. I forget what it is.
It's in my book.
I can't remember it.
But I got it from the Tao, right?
Which is why I don't have it memorized.
Age times.2.
I think it's age times.2.
And then to tell you how many days, right?
So at my age, I'm 38 now, my age, it's about seven and a half days between ejaculation to maintain who I am.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damn.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So a man's strength is his balls, right?
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
So every time you deplete yourself, you're not the same man anymore.
You lose your superpowers.
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
Now, when you lose your superpowers to some, you know, IG model, it's not even worthy.
Your orgasm doesn't feel the same as a natural interaction with a woman.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
You know what I mean?
True so you're wasting your superpower on like a fictional fantasy so you're wasting a percentage of your vital energy Your vital energy, as well as the proteins and minerals and zinc and magnesium and all that stuff that, you know, is lost.
Yeah, you know, I think it's equivalent to like two New York strips, steaks, eggs, oranges and apples or something like that.
unidentified
Really?
hotep jesus
Oh yeah, it's a lot of vitamins.
joe rogan
Depends on the size of the loads you shoot though, no?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
hotep jesus
That's why ladies should swallow.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Jesus, ladies.
hotep jesus
I'm sorry.
That's why you should ingest it if the man is healthy because it's a full meal.
It's a full meal.
It's a full meal of nutrients that a man loses.
unidentified
Is it vial available that way?
joe rogan
I wonder if anyone's done studies.
I bet they have.
I bet people have done like nutrition slash load studies.
hotep jesus
There's probably a startup out there like trying to do this right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, like calculate it into an app.
hotep jesus
Where's this conversation gone now?
I totally forgot what we were talking about.
joe rogan
Well, we're talking about manipulating you, turning you into a soy boy, making people weak.
You think there's actual, this is where we differ.
You think there's actual manipulation taking place.
I think it's just natural instincts.
And then I think that people see it around them and then they cater to those natural instincts and then they support those natural instincts.
But I think people have a natural instinct to be undisciplined and lazy and Just gratuitous and, you know, dive into pleasure before sacrifice and commitment and discipline.
hotep jesus
So are we making excuses for it?
joe rogan
Not making excuses.
I think it's also the softness of the world we live in.
hotep jesus
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we live in this incredibly easy to get by in world.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
You know, where the poor people are fat.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's never been a time in history where poor people are fat.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
That comes down to what's in the actual food.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
So-called food.
joe rogan
It's certainly that.
It's certainly the food is garbage.
But it's also that there's this strange lack of discipline because it's not necessary.
All you have to do is just show up to your job, put in the least amount of effort you can without getting fired, and you can exist.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
That didn't happen in the wild world when people are hunters and gatherers.
If you didn't put 100% effort, if you didn't really struggle, you didn't make it.
You weren't a benefit to the tribe and they kicked your ass out and you got eaten.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how it's supposed to be.
hotep jesus
I do agree with that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
I do agree with that.
Discipline is what we have to demand from people.
But your culture has to recognize debauchery and shun it and ban it and say, hey, we don't want this here.
Porn is readily available on Twitter.
Watch it right in your feed.
unidentified
Sometimes I'm scrolling my feed and it's just like – That's a weird thing about Twitter, isn't it?
joe rogan
That it's a giant platform, but they allow porn.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when I had Jack on with Tim Pool, I think Tim Pool didn't even know that porn was legal on it.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw that, yeah.
jamie vernon
I found a little bit of information.
I don't know how accurate it is.
joe rogan
About 10 pools Twitter use?
jamie vernon
No, on the ejaculation frequency.
unidentified
Okay, yes.
jamie vernon
Recommended by the Taos.
joe rogan
Yeah, here we go.
jamie vernon
It said, the most respected of the Tao theorists, Sun Simiao, quoted above, recommends ejaculation no more than once every 20 days for men over 50. Oh, Jesus.
And no more than once every 100 days for men over 60. I should be dead.
Okay.
joe rogan
Because I should have no energy.
How am I getting everything done?
jamie vernon
You're getting age retarding hormones as you're about to ejaculate and then there's a level you want to keep before you ejaculate.
So you've got to balance before you excrete the hormones.
That's what it's saying.
joe rogan
So tantra.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
You're supposed to come internally.
jamie vernon
There's a level you can optimize yourself.
hotep jesus
Injaculation.
joe rogan
Those people are out of their fucking minds.
I'm trying to get rid of this shit.
I've always said that it helps you think.
Because too many times with a man, your mind is clouded by sexual desire.
If you can just jerk off and then you can think clearly.
I always have a bit about it.
I say jerk off first, then think about it.
Like if you jerk off and then you want to call a girl, it's because you love her.
You're not just trying to fuck.
You actually like her as a human being.
You want to be around her.
You don't just want to be around her for sex.
You actually...
Really love her.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I think there's a level of discipline, right?
Yeah, if you're about to make that risky text message, you might want to shoot your load and reassess it.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
And you're like, what the fuck?
I'm going to watch a fucking documentary.
Put that phone down.
hotep jesus
But that's for an undisciplined man.
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
Right?
So a disciplined man is going to say, no, I'm not going to send this thirst trap, you know, this thirsty comment.
I'm going to stay disciplined in who I am because in order to get the woman, I have to stay away from the woman.
joe rogan
In order to get the woman, I have to stay away from the woman.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
And keeping your vital man energy, for me, keeps me on edge.
I'm always like an animal.
You know what I mean?
Because I want to release.
You see what I'm saying?
So what I do is I'll work up that energy and then channel it into work.
I'll just immediately pull my laptop out and just bang out because it's like that frustration there and then just you got to release it that way or I'll go running or I'll go work out.
But when I get around women with a full sack, I'm not the same as when I'm empty.
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
And you can see the difference in how they're attracted.
You sit up different.
Your chest pokes out.
When you're around other men, you're like a little bit more...
joe rogan
Edgy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
You know what I mean?
After you blow your load, you're kind of like...
joe rogan
Chilled out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Non-competitive.
hotep jesus
Non-competitive.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
hotep jesus
You hold on to that.
Like fighters.
You know how to fight a fighter.
joe rogan
Mike Tyson never did that.
unidentified
Mike Tyson said, no, I always like to come as much as possible if I'm not distracted.
joe rogan
He'd just shoot his loads and then beat the fuck out of everybody.
But I think Mike had a lot of extra loads.
I think if you had a guess...
His level, he was just an ultra man.
He was not a regular man.
It says, A research published by the U.S. National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health found that after seven days of not ejaculating, men's testosterone levels reached 145.7% of the baseline.
Bam!
The interesting thing is...
That they didn't observe significant fluctuations from the baseline on days 2 through 5. The research also showed that the peak levels were at day 7. Yeah.
Risks, Tao.
It's actually Tao, by the way.
It's T-A-O. You say it as Tao.
The Tao of Jeet Kune Do.
Risks of too frequent ejaculation when sex is performed with the recommended Tao frequency.
It becomes an inexhaustible source of energy, like a well that never runs dry.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
However, when ejaculation frequency exceeds the capacity of the body to fully replenish the semen, man can experience chronic fatigue, low resistance, loss of sex drive, loss of focus, and irritability.
Long-term excessive ejaculation can cause chronic low zinc conditions, which can cause chronic fatigue, mental confusion, and significant loss of sexual drive.
But what if you're with a freak like that girl Will Harris was talking about?
My friend Will Harris was in here the other day, and he was saying he...
He needs to meet these girls and go overseas.
Oh, it's also considered harmful to ejaculate when ill, drunk, or gorged with food.
hotep jesus
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Here's the next line.
joe rogan
Oh, which one?
Ejaculation control and discipline is not to be confused with the frequency of sex.
There are significant physiologic...
Phys...
What's that word?
jamie vernon
Physiological?
I don't think there's supposed to be a period there.
joe rogan
Oh, physiologic and therapeutic benefits to having sex.
Frequent sex and decourse maintains a man's interest in the acts as well as his capacity to continue indefinitely until his partner is fully satisfied.
So they're saying fuck but don't cum.
hotep jesus
Yes.
joe rogan
Those people are out of their fucking mind.
I cum every time I fuck.
hotep jesus
Yo, I used to...
joe rogan
Trying to get rid of this stuff.
hotep jesus
I used to fuck with girls.
I used to fuck with girls' heads like that.
joe rogan
We would not come?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
hotep jesus
They start crying.
jamie vernon
Wow.
hotep jesus
I had a girl straight down and break up crying.
I can't please you.
Is it me?
Is it not?
I'm just like, no.
I just wanted you to be happy.
How do you feel?
I feel good.
Good.
Then I go and I hit the laptop and it just turns them on.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
hotep jesus
They love that.
unidentified
They love that.
Right.
joe rogan
Because nature wants them to get you to come.
hotep jesus
Yes.
Women only respect a disciplined man.
That's true.
Once a woman can drop your defenses, she's no longer attracted to you.
If she can control you, she's not attracted to you.
A woman wants a man she can chase.
In my book, I talk about how women are the apex predator.
They're the ones that chase after sex.
I mean, they can have sex endlessly, right?
Once we're not, it's like we're pretty much done.
Like, give me a couple of minutes to recharge.
But it could keep going.
You know what I'm saying?
So they're, you know, technically like, you know, freaks or whatever.
But just because she's undisciplined in her sexual energy doesn't mean you have to be.
And if she feels like she has to go outside of the relationship to go get her fix, that's on her.
That has nothing to do with you.
Your aspirations as a man are higher than sex.
A woman's role is to create life and support the man.
The man's role is to create or forge in the future of humanity, building things and innovating.
joe rogan
It is true that a woman is not attracted to a guy without discipline.
Correct.
Men who are lazy and weak, that is a giant turn off to a woman.
But if a woman is hot, she could be pretty lazy.
Right.
hotep jesus
Absolutely.
They are the laziest people of us.
joe rogan
But we don't care.
Men don't care.
I don't care if a girl's lazy.
She's hot.
As long as her body holds up.
Unless she can get to the gym.
hotep jesus
I used to make girls work to get me, man.
unidentified
Really?
hotep jesus
Yeah, like, you know, I would say, you know, I'm working on this project, you know, I'm going to send you a spreadsheet over.
I need you to go organize it.
And if she'd say no, I'd just be like, all right, well, you're worthless to my life.
I need somebody that's going to build with me.
joe rogan
What if she's building on her own shit?
hotep jesus
Fuck her shit.
Go build your shit.
If you need help, I'll help you.
So you want a partner.
joe rogan
You don't want just a lover.
That's what you're saying.
hotep jesus
No.
No.
joe rogan
You want someone to help you?
hotep jesus
No.
I want her to prove her worth.
unidentified
Whoa.
hotep jesus
She got to be worthy to get me.
Like, you know, it's easy to get a girl.
It ain't easy to get a good man.
You're only going to find one hotel Jesus in your life.
I could find a ton of you, shorty.
joe rogan
Wow.
hotep jesus
You everywhere on Instagram.
After Joe Rogan, they're going to be everywhere.
joe rogan
Now, some would say that that's a sexist generalization.
unidentified
Sure.
hotep jesus
Sure.
I don't care.
We can have that conversation.
Bring me on your platform.
We can talk.
If you want to call it sexist, it is what it is.
joe rogan
Have you ever had a conversation with a radical feminist about this kind of thinking?
hotep jesus
No.
They won't talk to me.
They all block me.
joe rogan
They block you?
hotep jesus
Yeah, they all block me.
The whole black left feminist.
The reason why they block me is because they can't beat me.
When we have conversations, I'm so objective that it's too dangerous for them to engage with me.
joe rogan
How so?
hotep jesus
Because I'll be like, it's sexist.
Yes.
And?
So let's continue the conversation.
And then that's where they don't want to go.
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
Because then they're going to have to provide reinforcement and evidence and they're dealing with an educated man and I'm going to come with my evidence and facts.
joe rogan
So you don't have a problem being sexist.
That's what the problem is.
Because if someone calls you sexist and you go, yeah, yeah, I'm sexist.
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Yeah, it is what it is.
It's like if somebody called me racist, sure, whatever.
I don't care what your opinion is.
I don't care about these isms that you create.
I understand nature.
I understand myself.
joe rogan
That's an interesting thing that I see today that I find really strange, is that people that are denying evolutionary biology, I mean, there's...
Decades of research being done, why people behave the way they behave, what women are attracted to, what men are attracted to, and what the spectrum is.
hotep jesus
And then they say, science is racist.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what's weird.
Science is sexist, or fuck your science.
That's fucking fascinating to me.
When people don't want to look at it because it doesn't support their ideology.
They want to deny all this research, deny all these really objective geniuses that have been studying all this stuff.
The best minds in the field have come to these conclusions based on just… Insurmountable amounts of data.
Not interested.
hotep jesus
Yeah, so fine.
joe rogan
The patriarchy.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I have a shirt that says, I am the patriarchy.
You know, like, no matter what you throw at me, I'm just going to embrace it.
I'm going to show you, yeah, it's real.
There is a patriarchy.
There's also a matriarchy.
You need to handle your matriarchy and stop worrying about the patriarchy.
Because if you handled your matriarchy, the patriarchy wouldn't be your problem.
Your problem is you don't know how to be a woman.
joe rogan
What do you think is a good piece of advice for women on how to be a woman?
hotep jesus
A good piece of advice on how to be a woman?
joe rogan
Hotep teaches women.
hotep jesus
Hotep teaches women.
What's a good piece of advice?
Emotional control.
Emotional control.
So the number one problem I see with women is...
Damn, this is a lot here, right?
All right, let's go here.
joe rogan
Okay.
hotep jesus
Women let their friends...
They tell their friends their business.
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
Stop that.
joe rogan
Stop telling your friends your business.
hotep jesus
When I have problems with my girl or in the past when I had problems with women, I ain't run back, yo, guess what, man, yo, yo, man.
We don't do that.
joe rogan
If my friends do that, they better be laughing.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
If my friend goes, dude, you're not going to believe what this chick said to me.
They give me a hard time about it.
But if they go, dude, I don't know, man, she wants me to quit my job.
Like, hey!
Don't do that to me, man.
Don't put that shit on me.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you know?
So, I think women...
Also, you have to understand that they're giving this information to a friend who is also single.
When a woman gets in a relationship, she loses a friend, right?
Because now you have less time to spend with your bestie.
So, the bestie's jealous of the relationship.
So, whenever you go back and tell her, she's never going to give you sound advice.
unidentified
True.
hotep jesus
She's always going to take your side.
joe rogan
Yep.
hotep jesus
So you have to judge your friends and say, well, if I'm giving this information to my friend, is she an objective friend or is she a subjective friend?
She's going to feed my ego.
And if you can't analyze that on your own, then you'll never have peace in your relationship.
Because the worst thing to do is, here's the problem, the relationship's built on trust.
So if a man and a woman come together and you tell all my business to your friend, where's the trust?
Where's our privacy?
We have none.
joe rogan
Right, we have none.
hotep jesus
We don't have a relationship.
You have a relationship with your friend.
So go be with your friend.
I don't got time to be, you know, something happens in my personal life, I'm going to go tell this strange girl what happened in my personal life, something I told you that was private, to relate it to something else that could be happening in our relationship.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I think we have different instincts.
Women have the instinct to gossip.
They love it.
It comes from that hunter-gatherer culture, where back in the day, that's what happened.
The men would go out and try to hunt the food, and the women would stay home, and they would talk shit.
hotep jesus
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Again, discipline yourself, women.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Discipline yourself, ladies.
Another thing, get a hobby, a healthy one.
Women don't have hobbies.
Their hobbies are all in consumerism.
joe rogan
Some women don't have hobbies.
hotep jesus
All of them.
joe rogan
Not all of them.
I know women with hobbies.
hotep jesus
All of them.
joe rogan
That's not true.
That's not true.
hotep jesus
But, you know, in my book, I say, you know, say all because it gets the people going.
Right.
joe rogan
It gets them upset.
hotep jesus
Yeah, it gets people going because they always go, oh, I know it's some.
It's like, I know it's some, you moron.
You know what I'm saying?
But I say all just to get the people going.
But majority women don't have hobbies, you know?
Why do you think that is?
Because they're inundated with advertising.
Their hobbies become consumerism.
Retail, therapy, or I do makeup for fun.
No, you don't do makeup for fun.
That's not what you do.
That's not a hobby.
Makeup's not a hobby.
I'm sorry, ladies.
A hobby is something that develops your individual person, something that makes you better.
joe rogan
Some kind of a discipline.
An art form.
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
Some way to express yourself.
joe rogan
Some physical thing that you do.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So like one of my hobbies is chess, right?
That helps me focus.
When I see that my attention span is getting short because I spend too much time on social media, I go to chess and I'll spend time on chess.
To bring that back to reality.
joe rogan
Do you play physical chess or do you play online?
hotep jesus
Online.
I can do OTB, but I do most of them.
What's OTB? Over the board.
joe rogan
Oh, what does that mean?
hotep jesus
That means physical.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what you call it?
Yeah, it's called OTB. Do you do speed chess where you hit the timer or do you do regular chess?
hotep jesus
Well, online I do speed chess.
I do five minute games.
joe rogan
That's impressive.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
It's a whole other world.
joe rogan
I've been scared of chess.
I've always been scared of chess.
I have an obsession with games.
I have real problems.
And chess is one of...
I've played it a little bit, but I'm like, fuck, this could take over my life.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If I'm not careful, I'll be sleeping and playing chess.
Sometimes I'll be chilling, like we'll be having a conversation, and I'll space out and be doing chess problems in my head.
So that happens sometimes, a lot.
Especially on days that I play a lot of chess.
joe rogan
I remember Howard Stern was really getting into chess, and he was taking private lessons, and he was talking about it all the time, and I think he found the same thing.
Do you remember that?
I think he found the same thing.
I think he just got too obsessed with it and was like, I can't fucking do this anymore.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
Well, one of my life goals is to be a chess master one day.
joe rogan
Really?
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And when you say chess master, what do you have to do to be a master?
hotep jesus
Okay, so you have National Master, then you have International Master, and then you have Game Master, or the GM, I forget what it's called.
National Master, you have to participate in, I believe, one of the tournaments, one of the, I forget the Federation, but you have to enter one of these tournaments, and you have to place a certain...
I think it's maybe top two or top three at a certain tournament.
Don't quote me on this stuff.
But you have to go through the tournaments.
And I think in order to become international, you have to first become national master.
And then national master, you can go be international, if I'm not mistaken.
unidentified
And then, you know, GM. Do you ever see the video of Eddie Fisher?
joe rogan
Or Bobby Fisher?
unidentified
Bobby Fisher, yeah.
joe rogan
When Bobby Fisher was walking down this row of chess games.
He was playing like ten different games simultaneously.
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Yeah, the champ now, Carlson, does something similar, where Carlson will play several people, or he'll play without a board.
That always interested me.
joe rogan
I've seen people do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This dude I knew who went to prison was playing, this is a pool hall that he used to play at in White Plains, executive billiards, and this kid was a chess master.
He was like a 16-year-old, I don't know, master, I mean, Chess genius.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
16-year-old kid, and he was playing with this dude who was in his 40s who had been in prison.
He learned how to play chess with no board in prison.
So they were just sitting across from each other talking, saying the moves, and then they would both recognize where the pieces were on the board.
Really interesting.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
I mean, that level of visualization is where humanity has to take itself.
Right.
You know, that's why I say chess is great because it allows you to visualize.
And in order to manifest your desires in this world, you have to be able to visualize what you want.
The more you can focus, the more you can visualize, the better your mind is, I believe.
Because our life is based upon visualization.
You see what I'm saying?
Women need to get back to that too.
joe rogan
Visualizing goals.
hotep jesus
I think women are very spiritual.
So in Africa there's this...
Oh man, I'm slipping on my studies.
I studied this a long time ago.
But the man is holding the child and the woman is pointing up to the sky, right?
And it's like the man is like that earthly thing, like we handle things in the physical.
And the woman's sort of like that intuitive being, right?
Women have to get back to being that intuitive being.
Because if you notice, our women always seem to warn us about stuff, right?
Like, oh, don't do this.
Like, damn, I should have listened to her that time.
You know what I'm saying?
They have to get back to their spiritual nature.
And I think a lot of them get away from that.
And that'll ground them, too.
And they won't need so much emotional support from friends and family because...
They're back in their spiritual nature.
joe rogan
Well, how does a woman do that?
hotep jesus
You can start with meditating.
You know, meditating.
Being happy with just being alone with yourself.
A lot of people can't be alone with themselves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
You know, they always need some sort of device.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting that it's attractive when people are capable of being alone?
Yeah.
I remember these two girls were talking.
About some guy that one of them was dating.
And she goes, yeah, he's really into his career, which is a huge turn-on.
I was like, oh, that's interesting.
He just needs time.
He's disciplined.
He works all the time.
He's always working on his career, which is a huge turn-on.
And I was like, well, you two...
Two little cluckers.
hotep jesus
Well, women have to get back to that, too.
Y'all gotta learn how to pick a good man.
Sometimes y'all are picking crap men based upon the money or things that they have.
You get in a relationship, you find out he's $100,000 in debt.
He's a douche, right?
Even though he's got these things.
I think women have to get better at seeing potential in men.
joe rogan
But don't they have to be tricked a few times before they can see the problems?
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
That's part of the experience, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a fucking dirty thing for a girl.
Let some loser fuck you and go, God damn it.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Thought I had him.
Thought I had a winner.
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
I mean, I've been a victim of that.
Well, not a victim, but I've done that to women myself.
Sorry, ladies.
Back in the day?
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I've done some wrong stuff.
joe rogan
Well, you become a different person as time goes on.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you grow from it.
joe rogan
Part of evolution of the human.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think society's expectations in women are, it's very difficult for a man to understand it.
You know, we see it from the outside.
But to feel it as a woman, it's got to be very different.
And there's a lot of women out there that are looking for a man, like a successful man.
They're looking for a successful man, and they want to touch themselves.
And that's the goal.
That's not a goal of men.
So it's very difficult for us to understand that.
Our goal, obviously we're generalizing, right?
But our goal is to be successful ourselves.
hotep jesus
Right.
Well, you can't...
You can't know what man you want unless you know who you are.
And a lot of people are getting in relationships without being in relationship with themselves first.
So in order to have a sound relationship, you have to know your socioeconomic stance.
It's sad when you get into a relationship with a conservative and you're liberal and you start arguing about Donald Trump.
And a relationship breaks because he's on one side.
These are the conversations that you need to have up front.
And if you don't know where you are politically and socioeconomically, for example, they say a lot of relationships break up because of money, right?
And you got one person's a bad spender, the other one's thrifty, right?
These are the conversations you need to have first.
How do you manage your money?
Are you good with your money?
And if you guys don't agree with how you want to pull your resource and how you want to pull your money and what you want to do with it in the future...
Some people...
You might get in a relationship with a girl and she's like, I want a Porsche.
I want a Land Rover.
And I'm like, I want a business...
I want a VC. You know what I mean?
So you have two people that are going separate directions.
One's going as consumer route, one's going independent producer route.
So you have to first see, are you a consumer?
Maybe you need to be with a consumer.
Are you a producer?
You don't need to be with a consumer.
You need to find someone as a producer.
So if you agree on socioeconomics, you'll have a better relationship with people.
But you have to know what you want out of life first and then find people connected based upon that, not the physical looks and all that other stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think sometimes people think they want something because it's very difficult to attain.
They see these things and they go, oh, that's the prize.
hotep jesus
Yeah, well, the thing is these stuff aren't hard to obtain.
Like, you know, getting a Porsche isn't hard, right?
joe rogan
It's hard for a lot of people.
Depends on how much you make, what you do, what kind of job you're trapped in.
hotep jesus
Hard is relative.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
You know, like I tell my kids, hard is basically undiscovered.
That's all it is, right?
So, for example, when you first do algebra, it's hard, right?
But that's just because it's new.
So hard equals new.
That's what hard means.
It's new because once you do algebra 3, 4, 5, 10 times, it's not new anymore and therefore it's not hard.
So once you break past the newness of a thing, it's no longer hard.
Like building a business, it's not new to me, therefore it's not hard.
It's very easy for me to build a business because I've done it so many times in my life.
You see what I'm saying?
Jiffetize is cash flowing 4x what it was doing when I first joined the company.
And all I did was make a few tweaks.
That's only because I'm not new to the tech startup space.
I've been working with over 20 startups.
Over 20 startups in a matter of two, three years as a consultant.
So this stuff, when people say, oh, it's hard.
It's like, no, no, it's not hard.
It's new and you're an idiot and you don't know what you're doing.
It's not hard to achieve anything in this life.
You know, I used to work for 50 Cent, right?
And when I lived in New Brunswick, right by Rutgers, I wasn't really a 50 Cent fan.
I enjoyed his music, but I wasn't a fan to buy a poster.
I bought this poster.
It was him and G-Unit, and he had this big stash of money.
I was like, yo, this poster motivates me.
You fast forward 10 years and some other things I did to get close to 50, and I actually worked with 50. That was technically hard, right?
It's not easy to get next to 50, but when I did it, It happened like that.
Then I started working with Carmelo Anthony.
joe rogan
So you're saying once it actually happened, it turned out it wasn't actually hard.
hotep jesus
No, hard.
joe rogan
It's hard for some people.
hotep jesus
No, they're just not disciplined.
Hard is dealing with yourself.
That's what's hard.
Can you defeat your own mind?
So when I wake up every morning, the only thing I got to defeat is doubt.
It's the only thing I have to defeat.
Once I defeat doubt, I live in a limitless world.
Infinite possibilities.
I can literally do anything.
So people told me, oh, in order to be in tech, you need a million dollars and this, that, and the third.
Dude, I got equity in three tech companies.
Three tech companies.
And I'm not rich.
I didn't put up millions to get into these companies.
I'm part of these companies because I built me.
And it wasn't hard.
It really wasn't hard to get into these companies.
I just had something to offer and they saw value in me.
I want to be the next Elon Musk.
I want to be the next Bill Gates.
I want to be the guy that Zuckerberg hates.
You see what I'm saying?
I want to be the guy that builds the new Silicon Valley on the East Coast.
Those are my aspirations.
So when people tell me what you can and can't not do and it's hard, I'm like, dude, I'm selling Bitcoin.
How many black dudes you know sell Bitcoin?
None.
joe rogan
I don't know anybody who sells Bitcoin.
hotep jesus
Exactly.
And people are telling me this is hard.
It's not hard.
You get what you want.
And I didn't get into Bitcoin out of dumb luck.
I manifested that.
I said I wanted to sell Bitcoin.
How can I manifest it?
Then I let it go and the universe brought me the opportunity and then it happened.
When I first said, I want to be a VC. First thing I want to do is start building a portfolio.
I didn't look for companies.
They found me.
I just had to ask the universe and it presented opportunities and I just had to...
joe rogan
So what do you mean by you had to ask the universe?
hotep jesus
I had to put the intention out there.
joe rogan
So do you think that literally by thinking about things you can make them happen?
hotep jesus
You can make the opportunity present itself.
And then you have to be ready to take advantage.
So let's we got to walk through the story to 50 cent thing, right?
So I get invited to his bus launch right for the company.
Now I'm sitting on the bus.
They move me to the back because of security reasons.
So I'm in the back of the bus when the bus start moving.
In my head, fear kicks in and doubt kicks in.
And I'm telling myself, I should just hop with the bus stop.
And I said, I should just hop up and just start screaming.
I'm on the bus for 50 Cent.
And I'm like, nah, I don't do that.
They invited you out here.
You got to sit here and that's not right.
And, you know, all these things society says is right.
So I stand up and I go, yeah, I'm on the bus for 50 Cent.
joe rogan
Right?
hotep jesus
And then the whole crowd rushes the bus.
After the crowd finishes, they take one of the energy drink shirts, they throw it on me, throw the hat on me, they bring me to the front of the bus.
Now I'm sitting next to 50 Cent.
Fast forward two years later, I'm in a 50 Cent company.
But it's because I started off with defeat and doubt.
But also listening to my intuition, my intuition said to hop up and do that.
Right?
But the opportunity was presented to me.
I didn't create the opportunity.
They DM'd me and said, yo, we want you to come.
I didn't ask.
They invited me.
But it's because I kept putting that 50 cent energy out there.
You see what I mean?
I kept putting that out there.
Like, I want to mess with 50 cent.
I want to mess with it.
For 10 years, I've been putting that energy out there.
50 of you listening, yo, holla at me.
I want to work with you again.
But I just really love 15 and his attitude.
He's just really a fun dude.
joe rogan
He had a funny thing about Father's Day.
You see his rant about Father's Day?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
The difference between Father's Day and Mother's Day is very funny.
hotep jesus
But, you know, the universe, anything you ask for, it will present the opportunity.
The only thing is, are you woke enough to see it?
Can you identify it when it hits?
And can you defeat the fear?
joe rogan
And do you have all the other bases in your life covered where you have the bandwidth to tackle something that's difficult?
hotep jesus
Correct.
But usually the universe only presents you opportunities you can handle.
Because if you couldn't handle it, you wouldn't be able to recognize it.
joe rogan
Do you say this, like the universe presents this to you, this like a spiritual concept?
Is this like, are you manifesting reality with your thoughts and intentions?
Do you really believe that?
hotep jesus
All of that.
joe rogan
Why do you believe that?
hotep jesus
Because I lived it.
I experienced it.
joe rogan
But you lived it and you're successful at it.
See, that's why my perspective on that is always you hear about things like the secret and the law of attraction.
You hear that from people that are successful.
They say, well, I willed it into existence.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what about the people that tried to will it into existence and nothing ever worked out right?
hotep jesus
Well, ora et labora, right?
Ora et labora is Latin for work and pray.
A lot of people go into the secret and they're just praying, but they ain't working.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
That's important.
joe rogan
I don't look at it in the same way, but I look at it in a similar way.
I think there is something to intention.
There's something.
And there's something also to having that kind of faith to believe in intention.
Whereas I think a lot of people, they're reluctant to give in to that because it seems too woo-woo.
And it seems like some crystals and fucking astrology and horse shit.
You know what I mean?
hotep jesus
Because there's a lot of that out there.
joe rogan
A lot of that out there.
hotep jesus
The new age has ruined the law of attraction.
You know what I mean?
It's like, oh, just speaking into it.
This isn't happening.
No, that's not true.
You have to first educate yourself.
So when we talk about Hotep, right?
When we talk about Hotep, you got to bring up the 5% nation, you got to bring up Supreme Mathematics, zero cipher, one knowledge, two wisdom, three understanding.
But it first starts at the number one, right?
Number one is knowledge.
So the problem is people are trying to manifest, but they ain't got no knowledge of anything.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
So how do you manifest something with no knowledge?
joe rogan
Got to educate yourself.
hotep jesus
You got to first start educating yourself.
joe rogan
Discipline yourself so that you can educate yourself as well.
hotep jesus
Right.
And also, knowledge is the springboard for imagination.
So, if there's a complicated calculus problem, but you don't know what calculus is, how can the intuition feed you insight or inspiration to solve a calculus problem?
You first have to have the knowledge of calculus, then when you get it, you get all this influx of inspiration, like Einstein talks about.
You know, he sits down, he kind of meditates, and then the inspiration comes.
But the inspiration can only talk to you based upon your understanding.
See what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
So the problem is people are out here not educating themselves.
You know, my day begins and ends with educating myself.
Begins, ends, and during the day, I'm just reading books, hopping between books, and reading and listening to lectures, and people think I'm deep, and I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, whatever, whatever I'm intelligent, but really my secret is consuming as much information as possible.
That's my secret.
And then from that, I'm able to say, oh, well, you know, dah, dah, dah, or studying history, you know, you can do a lot of things.
But if you're not educating yourself or doing, you got to do something, like just start, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
When you said you're going to write a new book, you're in the middle of writing a book, are you putting this kind of stuff in your book?
Guidelines like that, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but guidelines like that, I think that's very critical.
When someone sees someone who's successful and they see someone who's disciplined and focused, like, okay, what are your guidelines?
How do you do this?
The way you're laying it out right now.
hotep jesus
So this book here, right?
joe rogan
Twitter marketing.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
This book is the how.
How do you do it, right?
Like, how do you physically build a brand from start?
Using Twitter as a platform.
Now, this book can actually be used for any platform.
I just use Twitter as the example, right?
But this is the how that people won't tell you about.
What marketers won't tell you about, this is the how, right?
It's all this uses in there.
Now, the next book I have is with the editor.
It's done.
It's written.
That's for men and how to have peaceful relationships with women.
Right?
Because as we see, there's a gender war in America.
So we need to create peace.
And what I say is the fault isn't on the women, the fault is on the men.
Right?
So that book was, the cover was designed by Rolo Tomasi, the rational male author.
Then we have the book of Hotep, which you're talking about, which is already written.
I wrote it two, three years ago.
And it's that structure for your life so you can manifest these things.
You know, so you can use spirit in your work.
To manifest these things.
If you're a Christian, there's secrets in the Bible that show you how to manifest things.
You can't ignore your spiritual self.
If you ever watch Doctor Strange, she pushes him out and his astral body comes out.
So the human being is dual nature.
We have our physical body and we have our astral body.
If you never connect with your astral body, you only use half of your potential.
joe rogan
What's your astral body?
hotep jesus
It's basically...
An ethereal version of your physical body, but it's not bound by time and space.
joe rogan
So what do you mean by that, though?
What does that mean?
hotep jesus
What do you mean?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
A ethereal version of your spiritual body.
hotep jesus
Like, it's not physical.
You can't touch it.
joe rogan
Okay.
hotep jesus
Right?
You can't, like, interact with it, right?
joe rogan
Okay.
hotep jesus
But it can travel through space and time, right?
Or we talk about our higher selves.
Or we can, to make things more understandable, because all this stuff is based upon subconscious mind, right?
So you use your subconscious mind to program, I mean, use your conscious mind to program your subconscious mind.
Then the subconscious mind communicates it to your higher mind.
Then the higher mind That's where the magic stuff happens.
It's out of your control now.
The higher mind or spirit or God or Jesus, whatever you want to believe in, that's when they start working on this stuff.
But it has to be a part of you.
And then life starts reflecting what's in your subconscious mind.
The astral body thing is kind of like something that we use to either communicate with people in long distance, travel through time to see things that have happened in foreign lands at different times.
Get inspiration.
So when we look at Think and Grow Rich, right?
The book Think and Grow Rich, what does it tell you to do?
It tells you create a council of, I think he says dead people or something like that, right?
So create a council of dead people, your council, right?
So if I did mine, it'd probably be like Malcolm X, Tupac, Nipsey Hussle, you know, like a whole bunch of people, right?
And you have this congregation meeting of minds.
You can't do that with your physical body.
So who's going to be present at this meeting?
The astral body has to be present at this meeting.
So that's an example of how we've seen that science taught.
And think and grow rich, right?
So we can't state this stuff.
joe rogan
But aren't you saying, when you're talking about a council of dead people, you're saying your imagination.
You're looking at this council of dead people.
What would Tupac do?
That kind of shit.
How would I draw inspiration from Muhammad Ali?
How would I take the knowledge of...
Fill in the blank.
Whoever's dead, that's brilliant.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So there is that aspect, right?
Where it's your imagination, right?
joe rogan
What would Jesus do?
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
What would Jesus do?
That's the thing.
hotep jesus
Right.
But what we have to understand is there's going to be...
A sliver of inspirational insight.
So let's say 90% of your meeting with these people are pure physical, your mind imagining these things.
Then there's that one sliver, that one 10% that slides through that gives you that piece of inspiration that you never would have thought about.
It's like an idea.
Sometimes you're chilling and like, oh, oh yeah.
That idea that just pops in your head, that is what happens.
Now, once you get more advanced, you can get more of that influx of inspiration from spirit or whatever you want to call it.
joe rogan
Get more advanced, meaning practice this all the time?
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Practicing, you know, using your astral body to project out and being in another space.
Happy Gilmore calls it his happy space.
Remember that movie?
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
So what did he do in order to manifest his dreams?
He went to his happy place to detach himself from his physical problems.
joe rogan
You see what I'm saying?
hotep jesus
And then he came back and he put...
He did the impossible.
So it's like they're trying to let you know.
joe rogan
So if you were to construct this and put this down into guidelines, you're basically streamlining the process of how to be as successful and how to...
How to just make your dream come true.
Make your reality.
How to be a person who's got their shit together.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
You know, the main thing is problem with people, especially young people, is they don't know what they want to do.
They don't know their passion or their purpose.
And again, that just comes back to knowledge.
Are you studying?
Take your interest and study it.
When you get bored with it, drop it.
Move on to the next thing.
But, you know, like over the years, I've collected a lot of skills.
All of them are being used now.
You know, like I'm not a Photoshop guy, but I know how to use Photoshop.
But that happened because at one point I was running a blog.
I had to know how to edit something or do something, you know what I mean?
So just because it's not a skill you want, like at one point I had a photography business when MySpace was popping, I had a photography business.
Now, I don't do photography anymore, but I understand it.
So when I'm someplace, I can still use these skills, whether it's for a product or something or event, I can still use these skills to my advantage.
You know what I mean?
So even if you don't like that skill at that time, it might come in play later on, right?
But the bottom line is you have to start with your knowledge and then allow the spirit or intuition to feed it.
Allow it to feed it.
I don't use my logical mind.
My logical mind is only for after inspiration.
You get that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So you get inspired and then you use your logical mind to figure out how to make this work.
hotep jesus
Right.
And that's where we have to be.
Let the logical mind just carry out the menial tasks.
Let the higher mind or intuition lead the way.
joe rogan
Now, do you think of these things as being like separate entities, or is this all a part of you?
hotep jesus
It's all one.
joe rogan
So when you think of your higher mind, how do you visualize this?
Do you visualize this as something that you don't necessarily have control of, but you can tap into?
hotep jesus
Yeah, I guess you can look at it like that.
Like, you know, I'm not the Dalai Lama on this topic, you know what I mean?
But, you know, for one exercise, what I might do is I'll put light around my head.
I'll visualize a sphere of light around my head.
And you see this in religious texts and art.
You always see Jesus Christ or saints, they always have this glow around their head.
They call it a halo, right?
But really the halo is like your aura.
But also the second aspect is that when I want to use my brain in an advanced way, I can start the firing of neutrons or whatever the technical term is by visualizing something.
Even if I want to visualize thunderstorms in my head.
You know, that'll get the brain working, you know, but usually like light.
If I want to do distant healing, right?
Let's say you tell me you sick, right?
I probably shouldn't be saying this.
But if I want to do distant healing, I would envelop you in light.
I would sit at home, rest, make sure you sleep.
Then I would picture light around your broken.
joe rogan
Do you think that you can do that?
You think you can actually heal people from a distance?
hotep jesus
No.
You're not healing anything.
What you're doing is you're giving the intention to God that you want this person to be healed and God of the universe is healing.
We can't heal a damn thing.
joe rogan
Right, but you really think that by thinking about something you can put that intention out and it'll change the result.
hotep jesus
Yes.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
What makes you think that?
hotep jesus
Well, they have these scientific tests.
I haven't studied this in a while, but there's a test where they fire like these electrons or something like that.
And the electrons are supposed to be like on a predictable path.
And then when they introduce people to the experiment, the intent is… I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
The wave spirit.
You know, the problem with that is that's misinterpreted.
Okay.
The real change is in observing it.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
But the changes in observing it because you're measuring it.
So by measuring it, you're changing the pattern.
Like if you talk to a real physicist about it, they'll say they've added all this woo-woo to this.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
That's unnecessary.
Because really what it is is just the tools and the instruments they use to measure it are changing the results.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
I can definitely see that.
The thing is that physics has to marry spirituality, and spirituality has to marry physics.
If you don't have that connection between the two, we don't got the whole picture.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Spirituality is a weird word.
What does that mean?
hotep jesus
It's a very taboo word.
It's a very abused word.
joe rogan
It's abused, for sure.
I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual and that kind of shit.
That's where it gets weird.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I don't like that at all.
When I speak about spirituality, I'm speaking about something that really can't be put into words.
It's unfathomable.
Our language isn't designed to talk about this stuff.
When we look at Orwell and Newspeak, there's certain words that You don't exist for this stuff.
You'd have to use an ancient language.
And even an ancient language, you try to translate into English, it's like, we don't have a word for this.
You ever had to...
joe rogan
Like ancient Hebrew when they try to translate things.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
Ancient Hebrew, all the numbers were actually...
All the letters, rather, were actually numbers as well.
hotep jesus
Correct, correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you know when you talk about halos that the original halo was a mushroom cap?
hotep jesus
A what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
A mushroom cap?
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Oh, you're talking about...
Okay, I got you.
joe rogan
The original halo was...
Well, there's a book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross.
It's by John Marco Allegro, and he was a biblical scholar that was one of the guys that was assigned to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is the oldest version of the Bible.
Yes.
The only one I think that they've ever found, it's written in Aramaic, and it was found in Qumran and these clay jars, and it's all written on animal skins to decipher it.
They actually had to run DNA tests on the animal skins to figure out which skins belonged to which animals, so they could put all the stuff together to figure out, like, all these pieces were a part of this one scroll.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, this guy, John Marco Allegro, studied it for 14 years, and it was his conclusion after he was done that the entire Christian religion was a giant misunderstanding.
And what it was originally about was the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals.
And they started doing all of these different scholars who studied ancient art and ancient religious art.
They started finding this mushroom iconography and all this ancient artwork.
And one of the things they notice is that the bottom of a mushroom, if you take particularly the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is the one that they connect to the Christian religion, look at the bottom of it and see what it looks like with all those lines.
Now look at that.
That was the original halo.
If you see that picture with Jesus, with the halo around his head, the halo was essentially the bottom of a mushroom cap.
And the idea, they believe, was that these people were the ones that were consuming the psychedelic mushrooms, so they had this great wisdom and this connection to God.
That's what they thought mana was.
They thought These psychedelic mushrooms were the flesh of God.
hotep jesus
I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And so that when you have these ancient religions that were possibly based on the consumptions of these psychedelic mushrooms, all that stuff has kind of been lost in the translation over years and years and years.
And then even the visualization of the halos changed.
Yeah.
And there's also some really crazy ones of naked people dancing in ecstasy surrounded by this translucent mushroom image.
So the idea that they were in these mushroom-induced euphoric states and that they were dancing around all these religious depictions.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very interesting.
Because if you think about ancient religions, right?
No science.
They had no idea what shape the world was.
They didn't know anything.
But they did know if you found these mushrooms and you took them, you'd trip your fucking balls off.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you would have this incredible experience.
They thought that was God.
That was their connection to God.
hotep jesus
That's interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a great book, and the Catholic Church actually bought it out, and they got rid of it.
And then you could only buy used copies of it, but then it was republished recently.
Over the last few years, someone got the rights to it.
hotep jesus
That's interesting.
joe rogan
It's intense stuff.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I like that conversation.
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
That's sexy.
You know, anything that goes away from the norm, I think is real sexy.
It needs to be talked about.
joe rogan
You know, speaking of sexy, see that woman that accused Trump of rape?
She said that she was talking about rape being sexy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Anderson Cooper's like, we'll be right back.
Cut to commercial.
What?
hotep jesus
Yeah, she's a loony bitch.
joe rogan
Well, she seems like she might be medicated.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you can definitely tell there's something off there.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe she's super nervous being on television, too.
That's also...
It's hard to figure out how people are when you see them on television.
hotep jesus
I like to consider myself a good judge of character.
She's off her rocker.
joe rogan
She seems off her rocker.
I don't know her in person, though.
Some people really do have panic attacks when that camera's on, that white light, and they're in the CNN studios, and then...
And it just comes out weird.
And then they're like, what the fuck was wrong with me?
hotep jesus
Right, right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I could see that.
I don't think in her case.
I think she's just really like...
joe rogan
Do you think she's trying to sell a book?
hotep jesus
She's trying to sell something.
She definitely wants some attention.
unidentified
Yeah.
hotep jesus
But Teflon Don, she can't do nothing to Teflon Don.
unidentified
Pfft!
joe rogan
It is crazy how he's been able to shake everything off.
Everything.
hotep jesus
If you stand ten toes down, he can't really do nothing to you.
That's why I keep saying, don't worry about these tech companies.
Stand ten toes down.
joe rogan
Stand ten toes down?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
hotep jesus
Stand on your foot, man.
Stand your ground.
Don't waver just because somebody says something.
I get criticized a lot online.
And my response is, I said what I said.
You know, I'll infuriate the left and I'll infuriate the right.
And the right will feel like, well, last week you were pro-Trump and now you're saying something that's different.
It's like, and?
joe rogan
Well, you got the most shit, I think, for that Starbucks video.
The Starbucks video was hilarious.
hotep jesus
Thank you.
joe rogan
When you walked into Starbucks and you said, you guys are racist.
I'm here to get my free Starbucks.
And that lady was like, okay.
hotep jesus
Amanda, shout out to Amanda.
joe rogan
Shout out to Amanda.
She's like, yeah, I heard that.
Hold on, I'll get you a coffee.
It's like, I didn't know you could just give away coffee if you work at Starbucks, but I guess she just did.
hotep jesus
I manifested that.
joe rogan
Where was that?
hotep jesus
That was New Jersey Wilbury Commons Mall, I think.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
But, you know, like, I manifested that.
And you can go look at that.
The tweet two weeks before said, I said, if you want to be on mainstream media, pretend to be a liberal.
Then I also said to my followers, I said, can y'all get me on Fox News?
The next week, I pulled this stunt and then got on Fox News.
joe rogan
Now, when they had you on Fox News, what was the premise?
What were they going to talk?
What'd they say?
hotep jesus
They just wanted a story.
joe rogan
They just wanted some...
hotep jesus
They just wanted some shit to...
joe rogan
And they also probably wanted a little bit of potential outrage.
Like, look at this guy asking for coffee reparations.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you got a black guy who's asking for reparations.
They kind of like that.
Especially when it's spoofing the left.
So, you know, they kind of wanted to weaponize me.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it was a lot of that.
joe rogan
I thought it was funny.
hotep jesus
I thought it was hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You were very friendly about it.
You know, it wasn't like you were being angry or anything.
Did you have your son with you or someone, too?
hotep jesus
Yeah, my boys.
The whole family was with me.
joe rogan
That's funny, man.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
My son didn't.
He was like, I told him, somebody go ahead and get a free coffee.
unidentified
He's like, yeah, right.
hotep jesus
It's like, your dad's really about to pull this off, bro.
joe rogan
You had a debate recently about reparations with...
hotep jesus
CJ Pearson?
joe rogan
Yes, that young guy who's...
He's an interesting guy.
Very intelligent and articulate fellow.
Isn't he like 19 years old or something like that?
16. 16?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is he really only 16?
hotep jesus
16, yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
hotep jesus
Yeah, that's what they say at least.
joe rogan
I thought he was older than that.
He writes for Quillette.
Is he really only 16?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
CJ Pearson, is that what it is?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Find out how old he is.
That seems crazy.
Does it say he's 16?
Wow.
He's fucking smart as shit.
hotep jesus
No, he's not.
unidentified
What?
No, he's not.
joe rogan
Why do you think he's not smart?
hotep jesus
He's not smart.
Smart people create things.
Stupid people.
joe rogan
Oh, he's fucking 16. You don't think he's got an exceptional vocabulary and ability to express himself at 16?
hotep jesus
What does that mean?
joe rogan
It means you got something going on.
hotep jesus
I don't mean shit.
joe rogan
It doesn't mean shit.
An exceptional...
You speak in absolutes sometimes.
hotep jesus
What does vocabulary mean?
You memorize some words?
joe rogan
Well, you have use of them, access, instantaneous access.
That means they're in your mind all the time, which means you've done a lot of reading, which means you've done a lot of studying, which means you have a command of the English language, which was the only thing that we have, if you speak English, that you can use to express your intent.
hotep jesus
Right.
And Orwell talks about these political types who sound very educated.
He says it.
They sound very educated on a matter.
And then when you break down what they actually said, it's so very vague.
It's so very nonspecific.
There's actually no solutions.
You know, all they do is talk about problems.
What is your platform, CJ Pearson?
Candace Owens, what is your platform?
Is your platform I hate Democrats or is your platform I want something for the people?
Because it seems like when you watch these people, they're all saying the same thing for clicks.
Like I told you, my homeboy makes all that money on Facebook.
He's doing the Candace Owens and CJ Pearson thing for money.
joe rogan
But are they the same?
They don't have the same ideology, C.J. Pearson's and Candace Owens.
hotep jesus
They're cut from the same cloth.
joe rogan
You think so?
hotep jesus
They're the same person.
He's the younger version.
joe rogan
I heard him speak on the Sam Harris show.
I believe it was him, right?
Was it him?
Google that.
C.J. Pearson.
I'm pretty sure it's the same cat.
And I was very impressed, especially with someone his age.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I mean, he talks very well.
joe rogan
That's hard to do.
hotep jesus
Here in the United States of America.
joe rogan
Oh, it's not him.
unidentified
They have pre-planned catchphrases.
hotep jesus
Pre-planned catchphrases.
You're learning, you're just learning another language and that's what he's speaking that language.
There's no dig on him.
That's low, bro.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
So you're saying that they have this sort of ideology that they're subscribing to, this predetermined pattern of behavior.
They know what works and then they just follow it.
Sort of like Top 40 DJ talks.
hotep jesus
There you go.
Right.
What new thought has he created?
joe rogan
I don't know.
hotep jesus
He hasn't.
joe rogan
I just listened to that debate.
It's a conversation that I think is a fascinating one, the conversation of reparations, because there can be no doubt that something horrible happened to the black community and they're still suffering from it, especially in the Deep South when you look at these places where the people who lived are the direct descendants of slaves.
And then these are the same impoverished neighborhoods that no one's ever done anything to try to fix.
So how do you fix it?
hotep jesus
You first have to start with the subconscious mind or the black mind.
The problem with the black mind is the fact that the black mind starts off with a fetus mentality.
From the day you're born, you're taught the white man's out to get you.
So you start off with a boogeyman and then you're taught that you're a slave.
So when your subconscious mind believes that the beginnings of your race is a slave, how do you aspire to be more than that?
So in order to correct the black community, you have to teach black history or so-called black history or what I would say African history in chronological order.
Before we were slaves, we were kings.
So how do you have a whole entire nation of 40-some-odd million black people and majority of them never heard of Queen Angola, who never heard of the Songhai Empire, the Mali Empire, you know, none of this stuff, right?
King Mansa Musa.
How do you...
How do you raise a people's level of awareness about this stuff, and how do you elevate them to want to do things in life when they think they are a slave?
That's the first thing that you have to do to help black people.
You have to teach them who they are.
joe rogan
That expression, before they were slaves, they were kings.
The problem with that is a king is a monarch, and a monarch is one person who controls giant groups of people.
You can't have a bunch of kings.
There's not a lot of kings.
You can't have a nation of kings.
hotep jesus
Correct.
But that's very different from saying, you know, we had four kings, right?
Let's say there were just four, right?
That's better than saying Harry Tubman, Frederick Douglass, and these free slaves, right?
You actually have to see at least one king.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
So see one advanced human being that also looks like you that came from the same part of the world where your ancestors came from.
So recognize that the trajectory that you and your family are on is a direct result of being enslaved.
That someone was enslaved in the past and brought over here against their will.
That's why there's the negative mindset.
That's why there's a negative self-image is because there's this Great history of oppression.
hotep jesus
Yeah, yeah.
You know, when you think you're a slave, you can't operate outside of that.
joe rogan
And even if you don't think you're a slave, you think you're inferior.
Do you know who Miss Pat is?
hotep jesus
No.
joe rogan
Hilarious comedian.
One of the funniest human beings alive.
And she was here, and one of the things she was talking about was when she was younger, that when she would see white people, she wouldn't look them in the eye.
She would get nervous.
She felt inferior being around them.
She just wanted to get away.
She didn't feel like she belonged.
hotep jesus
Right.
Right.
And that's a product of not knowing who you are, not knowing your own personal power.
You know, when you look at the second Punic Wars of Carthage, you had Hannibal went through the Alps, which is a mission impossible, and he went all the way to the doors of Rome.
And Rome said, yo, we ain't coming outside to fight you, bro.
We ain't coming.
That's how strong the power for the army was.
They said, we don't want to fight.
They knew if they came outside those gates, they would get their ass whooped.
So how do you how do you have a people that walk around not knowing that Hannibal Barker is a well studied war general?
Today, the Pentagon still studies him.
Right.
So how do you how are you operating in America as a black person and not know who Hannibal Barker is?
joe rogan
Well, it's difficult, I think, for people that were born in America and all their known ancestors from America to even relate.
Like, my family is mostly from Italy and Sicily and some of them from Ireland.
I don't relate at all.
I visit Italy in the summer times.
I don't relate at all.
hotep jesus
Right.
So then the other side is the fact that we were the natives.
We were not brought here on slave ships.
That's not economically sound.
What do you mean?
So when Christopher Columbus got here, Christopher Columbus got to the Caribbean, according to primary source, they basically said the first thing he did was take slaves.
He didn't bring slaves.
He took slaves from the island.
He captured people.
So when you have colonization, you got to remember the United States was only built 13 colonies at first, right?
You think this whole land was empty?
No, there were natives here.
But today, we're taught that natives are some other people.
No, natives are the melanated African being that has come here since the beginning of the Mali Empire.
We're talking about 14th, 13th century.
We had already come here from Africa.
joe rogan
Really?
hotep jesus
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we had already come here.
joe rogan
To the United States or to the Caribbean?
hotep jesus
This landmass we call the United States.
So the way the ocean current works is it works from Africa, leaves out of West Africa, comes to South America and the Caribbean.
That's just how the currents go.
You don't need no paddle boat or nothing.
The currents take you there and then you travel up.
But we had already been here.
All you got to do is look up the story of Sarah Rector.
Sarah Wright is a wealthy so-called Native American.
I think she was a Choctaw tribe or one of these tribes, but she was wealthy and she wanted to be a pass to go somewhere.
And they had her classified as a free person.
Why don't we know about the wealthy so-called black people in America?
Why don't we know that there were black slave owners in America?
Why is that not taught?
joe rogan
How many black slave owners were there?
hotep jesus
Man, the natives here had slaves.
They were trading slaves with the so-called white men.
joe rogan
Well, they definitely did that.
Natives enslaved people of other tribes.
hotep jesus
Right.
So if those people are us, the so-called black men, if those natives were us, then we have to tell that history and say how we did have...
Territories, and we did carry out commerce, and we weren't slaves.
We were slave owners.
joe rogan
But the majority of African Americans that lived here were brought over here.
hotep jesus
No.
joe rogan
No.
hotep jesus
No, that's not economically sound.
joe rogan
What do you mean by it's not economically sound?
There were slave ships, right?
hotep jesus
Let's say you wanted to sell marijuana, right?
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
Would you import marijuana or would you grow it here if it's already here?
joe rogan
Well, it depends on whether or not marijuana grew here.
hotep jesus
Well, can you grow marijuana here?
joe rogan
You can, but we're just talking about marijuana.
What if we're talking about something that you can't grow here?
hotep jesus
So what I'm saying is, people were already here.
Does it make sense to go all the way to this other continent to bring people on the boat when we know that half of your stock is going to die?
You wouldn't do that.
joe rogan
So how many people do you think were brought over from Africa on slave ships?
Because that definitely happened.
hotep jesus
I don't believe it.
joe rogan
What do you mean you don't believe it?
hotep jesus
I don't believe that story.
joe rogan
You don't believe that Africans were brought over on slave ships?
hotep jesus
Correct.
I believe it may have happened, you know, maybe people were brought over as slaves, but I don't think that the black people in America Came from Africa on slave ships.
I believe the people that were here were slowly conquered.
First, they got the East Coast, and then they started spreading out West, little by little, conquering.
And when you conquer a tribe, what do you do?
You enslave them.
They're POWs.
Right?
joe rogan
Okay.
hotep jesus
That's what you do.
So after you conquer this tribe, you make them slaves.
Now, how do you conquer the natives here?
So let's say you got this tribe is warring against this tribe.
Well, this tribe goes talk to the white man.
White man says, yo, if you help me wipe out these people, then boom, you know, I'll help you with whatever, whatever.
So they get together and they wipe out this other tribe.
Now guess what?
The white man now outnumbers this tribe, so he wipes them out.
You just kill two birds with one stone.
You just keep moving like that.
joe rogan
But I'm still confused.
There's a great history of slave ships being brought over from Africa with Africans that became slaves and worked in the South.
Do you think that's lies?
hotep jesus
History is his story.
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
What about my story?
Is my story not valid?
joe rogan
But if you do 23andMe on someone from these parts of the country, you'll find out that they...
unidentified
23andMe?
joe rogan
Well, that's real.
What is 23andMe?
hotep jesus
So when I take a 23andMe test, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
What's it going to tell me about Africa?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
We should find out.
hotep jesus
It's probably going to say, oh, you're from Kenya or you're from Angola, you're from this, this, right?
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
These things, these borders were created by Europe.
joe rogan
Yes, in terms of what parts of Africa and how it's distributed and what's a country and what's not a country.
hotep jesus
So you can't classify me based upon a European name.
joe rogan
I understand that, but they're saying geographically.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Geographic location, you can call it whatever name you want.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
They can tell you where your genetics originated.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, I've got some weird shit in me.
I've got, like, 1% Asian.
I don't know why it's there.
1.6% African.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
There's all sorts of weird stuff that you find in your DNA that, like, your ancestors and ancestors' ancestors.
So let's walk down that.
hotep jesus
Let's walk down that path, right?
unidentified
Right.
hotep jesus
So, either way, if you take black people here in America and you do their DNA sample and it point back to Africa, what does that say?
It says black people in America are Africans.
Now, the argument is, were we brought here or were we already here?
Did we bring ourselves here or did the white man bring us here?
You see, when you say the white man brought us here, what you're doing is you're removing our ability to transport ourselves.
You're saying, oh, we didn't know anything about boats.
That's what you're trying to tell me.
You're trying to tell me that we didn't know that there was a landmass here.
Only the holy white man knew there was land to the west.
But when you look at the holy white man, he said, when we got here, we met black people.
Go look at the primary source.
We got here, we met black people.
When we got to the Caribbean, we met black people.
You think the Caribbean is right next to America and they weren't in America?
joe rogan
That's interesting.
hotep jesus
Does it make any sense?
joe rogan
It makes sense that you do have people that have traveled, whether it's Polynesians that traveled to Hawaii, or people...
I mean, there's the Olmecs, who were thousands and thousands of years ago in South America.
have purely clearly african faces yes i mean really when the noses the lips i mean they look african and that was a south american culture that existed and we don't know anything about them other than the fact that they have these gigantic stone sculptures that have african faces well like again again just go to if you can pull up the ocean currents um i've seen that you see that man you know who graham hancock is i've heard about him yeah you're Read his stuff.
It's really fascinating because he's all about that.
He's all about the fact that the idea that human beings were probably living in advanced civilizations far longer than 14,000 years ago and they did travel all over the world and that you do find the remnants of these ancient cultures that we have no explanation for throughout the Amazon and throughout different parts of South America and Central America.
hotep jesus
I mean, when you go and you look at real European history, you had the Magyars would believe that if they took a bath, it was bad.
They didn't even want to change their clothes.
They thought that dirty was purity.
When we talk about the Moors going into Spain and into Europe, the stories in the history of Our history says that when we met the so-called Caucasian, he was sleeping in the barn with the animals.
And we told him, no, you can't sleep in the barn with animals.
We taught them etiquette.
We taught them running water.
We brought that technology to Europe.
Now, if we brought the technology to Europe that saved Europe from the black plague.
You mean to tell me that if we saved the white race, that we weren't already in America already?
When we brought the technology?
When Rome was dependent on Africa for food?
Remember when the Black Plague hit Rome?
The cause was one of the officials was stealing the grain that was coming from Africa.
So there was famine, hit Rome.
If your source of sustenance is from Africa, how are you superior?
You're not.
You get your food from me.
So if you get your food from me, who's more likely to travel this globe?
Me, I'm the source of food.
And that's the first thing you need to survive on this planet.
So if your whole civilization is dependent on me to supply food, I made it to America first.
It's just that you won the war and you got to tell the story.
joe rogan
Is that their only source of food?
I mean, it's a source of food that Rome had, right?
But Rome is also very close to Africa.
hotep jesus
Well, let's talk about that.
What kinds of food did they have?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know.
hotep jesus
It's a very rudimentary.
It was a very rudimentary civilization.
It wasn't all what is cracked up to be.
When you go look at what the Greeks said about Egypt when they're going to Egypt, it's like, yo, it's like the New York City of that time.
joe rogan
The ultimate.
If you really want to talk about African civilization being advanced, Egypt is the ultimate because Egypt to this day is still unexplained.
No one really understands how they built those things.
No one understands how old the culture is.
That's another thing that Graham Hancock and Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University, who's a geologist, he's Pointing to water erosion and the Temple of the Sphinx that leads you to believe that that place might have been as old as 9,000 plus BC. Oh, it absolutely is.
hotep jesus
If not older.
Going back to Pharaoh Ramses.
joe rogan
There's also different styles of architecture, right?
There's older styles of architecture they find deeper in the sand.
They think it might have been indicative of an earlier kingdom.
And then there's also the Nubian structures of some of the faces.
Yes.
Particularly the Sphinx.
You know, the Sphinx, they believe, had a lion's face, and then when they were conquered by the Nubians, they changed the actual structure of the face of the Sphinx and turned it into a king's face.
hotep jesus
Well, the way it was taught to me was that it is Upper and Lower Egypt.
So Upper Egypt is actually our New South, right?
That's our south.
And the way it was taught to me was that was the mind of Egypt and the economic Section of Egypt was what we see, Giza pyramids.
And it's economic because if you look at it, it sits between three continents on the Mediterranean Sea.
So it's a perfect place to carry out commerce.
It's the perfect place.
That's why everybody wants to be there.
That's why there's a war in the Middle East, because it's a perfect place to be.
joe rogan
So do you believe that some Africans came over here in slave ships or none?
hotep jesus
Very minimal.
joe rogan
Very minimal.
Really?
hotep jesus
Very minimal.
joe rogan
So you think it's a myth?
hotep jesus
Almost.
joe rogan
Now, is there any scholars that support these opinions?
Are these your opinions?
Where are you getting this from?
hotep jesus
So, here's the thing.
This is stuff I've studied probably close to 15 years ago.
So, I don't remember a lot of my sources or who I learned it from, but I can give you a couple of names.
What you got to do is you got to look up Shaka Aghmos.
You got to look up Dr. Kaba Kameen, Dr. Phil Valentine, Bobby Hemet.
Who else is a good Egyptologist?
Shaka Akmos is a real good Egyptologist.
I think you should start there with Shaka Akmos.
But these are videos I used to watch and lectures I used to watch back in the day.
Now I focus on like startups and that's where my brain is.
That's where my knowledge is focused on.
But a lot of this stuff comes from my own common sense.
It just does not make sense logistically to take people from all the way from over there to bring them here, especially when half your stock is going to die.
When you got people right here, you have human resources right here.
All I got to do is pop them, shoot a couple of them.
The rest of them are like, all right, fine.
And you enslave them.
And none of them died except for the ones I actually killed, right?
I got a whole millions of people right here.
Why would I go all the way across the ocean to bring people back across the ocean?
It just doesn't make sense.
It's just stupid.
Nobody would run a business like that.
joe rogan
What's up, Jamie?
jamie vernon
PBS? The title was How Many Slaves Landed in the U.S.? Well, scroll that up.
joe rogan
Scroll that up so I can read that whole thing.
Okay.
Right to there.
Perhaps you, like me, were raised essentially to think of the slave experience primarily in terms of our black ancestors here in the United States.
In other words, slavery is primarily about us, right from the Crispus attacks and Philip Wheatley, Benjamin Banneker, and Richard Allen, all the way to Harriet Tubman, Sojourn Truth, and Frederick Douglass.
Think of it as an instance we might think of as African-American exceptionalism.
In other words, it's the black experience.
It's got to be about black Americans.
Well, black Americans will think again.
The most comprehensive analysis of shipping records over the course of slave trade is the transatlantic slave trade database edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson.
While the editors are careful to say that all the figures are estimates, they believe that the best estimates that we have, the proverbial gold standard in the field, the study of the slave trade between 1525 and 1866, In the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Transatlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World.
10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage disembarking in North America, the Caribbean, and South America.
How many of those 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America?
Only about 388,000.
That's right, a tiny percentage.
So a small percentage of all the Africans that were enslaved were actually shipped to North America.
hotep jesus
That's probably closer to truth.
They didn't come from Africa, bro.
That don't make no sense.
Nobody would run a business like that.
joe rogan
Well, they're saying that a lot of people did, though.
That's 10.7 million people.
hotep jesus
Came on boats?
joe rogan
That's what they're saying.
jamie vernon
They were in the slave trade.
I don't know if that means that they necessarily came here.
They could have been going to Europe.
joe rogan
They could have been going to the Caribbean.
unidentified
The slave trade does not have to come from Africa.
hotep jesus
I can trade with you right here in America.
jamie vernon
It said directly to North America is only under 400,000.
hotep jesus
Right.
Right.
jamie vernon
Involved in the shipping and going all over the world.
It could be going anywhere.
joe rogan
But from Africa, correct?
hotep jesus
That's less than 10%.
jamie vernon
African shipped, yes.
hotep jesus
That's less than 10%.
joe rogan
Less than 10% in North America, but 10.7 million Africans enslaved and moved.
Yeah, 10.7 survived, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
We're shipped, but it didn't say where they were shipped.
It's just to the New World.
The New World is very arbitrary.
joe rogan
And only 388,000 actually made it to North America.
hotep jesus
I could trade from Haiti or Jamaica or South America.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So you think that there was probably already a significant population of Africans that were sea bearing that made it all the way over here.
hotep jesus
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, if you listen to the words of Hancock and the discussion of prehistoric, what we would consider prehistoric use of boats and ships, it's probably likely.
hotep jesus
Look at ancient Egypt.
Don't you see pictures of boats?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So they would bury them.
What is the big science museum in L.A. that had the Egypt exhibit really recently?
It's fucking incredible.
They had a depiction of the boats that they used.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, they had boats, for sure.
They had boats.
They definitely traveled.
hotep jesus
So how can you tell me that a civilization had boats before Europe was literate, didn't come to America, didn't set up shop?
It's just not common.
I mean, I don't need to read a book to understand that.
joe rogan
But it definitely makes sense if they made it to South America.
I mean, if the Olmecs were, I mean, if you pull up an image of the Olmec heads, this is heavily disputed.
hotep jesus
John Henry Clark is an author you should study.
John Henry Clark has a book, They Come Before Columbus.
joe rogan
I mean, look at that.
Look at these Olmec heads.
They all look like that.
hotep jesus
That's South America.
It's kind of amazing.
There has to be a large population of people in order to create these things.
They have to be advanced.
So if they're here already in South America, why are you going to go across the sea when you've got people right here and you're just enslaved?
South America is connected to America.
You think we didn't come up north?
You think we didn't take that whoop?
joe rogan
Right.
hotep jesus
That's just common sense.
joe rogan
Well, particularly when they're finding all this evidence of people that were here thousands and thousands of years before they ever thought people were.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
Or the evidence in the Grand Canyon from Egypt.
joe rogan
What?
I didn't know about that.
hotep jesus
What's that?
You heard about that?
jamie vernon
Part of it, yeah.
hotep jesus
What is it?
jamie vernon
There might be some gold down there.
joe rogan
Is this Egyptian gold in the Grand Canyon?
Imagine if they found a fucking Egyptian tomb in the Grand Canyon.
jamie vernon
There's Egyptian stuff that's been found in Ohio.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Well, I was looking some stuff up where the grandma's telling me.
I went home and looked up the serpent mound stuff, and right up the road from where the serpent mound is, there's been a couple artifacts found there a hundred years ago.
joe rogan
Egyptian artifacts.
hotep jesus
They're called mounds.
joe rogan
Pull that up.
hotep jesus
There's mounds in America, which are supposed to be like pyramids or whatever.
jamie vernon
There's even an Egypt, Ohio.
I don't think it's named after that, but it's literally in the same spot.
joe rogan
The history of human travel is fucking fascinating.
hotep jesus
We've circumnavigated this globe before, man.
This isn't new stuff.
It's new to Europe.
It wasn't new to the African race, man.
We've been here.
They got the mounds, the archaeological evidence from Egypt and the Grand Canyon.
It's right there.
joe rogan
See, I've never heard that before.
That is interesting.
Archaeological evidence in the Grand Canyon.
unidentified
Because it's not part of his story.
hotep jesus
He's got to keep you thinking.
unidentified
He's got to keep the black people thinking you were slaves and you came from Africa on boats.
hotep jesus
That's what they got to keep you thinking.
joe rogan
But you really think that there's some sort of a grand conspiracy to withhold information?
Yeah!
Universities, scholars, all these people that are talking about the history of the world.
hotep jesus
Universities are indoctrination centers.
The worst thing you could do is send a child to college unless they're going to learn a hard science.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, you think gender studies is bullshit?
Of course it's bullshit.
Wait a minute, what are you saying?
hotep jesus
These make-believe degrees.
joe rogan
Gender studies, bro.
Serious stuff.
hotep jesus
Yeah, gender studies.
joe rogan
It's a social construct.
hotep jesus
I study gender in the bedroom with my girl.
That's why I study gender, okay?
Ain't no such thing as no gender studies in school.
joe rogan
Tell me, but there is.
You can pay for it and be in debt for studying gender studies.
You get a fat degree.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you find anything about Egyptian?
jamie vernon
When I found it, I was down a deep hole, so I can't just find it that way.
I sent it to somebody, so I'll find it in a second.
hotep jesus
They bury it.
Google it.
jamie vernon
I just found the picture I found.
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
Pull it up.
Let me see some shit.
hotep jesus
This is the...
joe rogan
Hotep's got to get his glasses on.
We're getting serious.
hotep jesus
This is the good stuff, man.
Look at his head.
You see his head right there?
joe rogan
Yes.
hotep jesus
That's not nappy hair?
joe rogan
No.
Well, that's a Thai Buddha.
hotep jesus
That's not his hair?
joe rogan
I think those are braids.
jamie vernon
Who wears braids?
joe rogan
A lot of people, including the Romans.
hotep jesus
Oh, like Rachel Dolezal?
joe rogan
What is this, Jim?
jamie vernon
This is from an old book.
That's why I was telling you.
It's really old.
This is a drawing of all the inscriptions that were found on this piece of stone.
And a lot of these are like hieroglyphs and whatnot.
See the Ten Commandments?
Somewhere around here is the thing that looks just like that serpent from the mound that's in Ohio.
unidentified
Wow.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's necessarily Egyptian, but it's certainly fascinating.
jamie vernon
It might not be Egyptian necessarily, but when I found it, that's what it was tagged as.
It could be just from that time period or very similar.
joe rogan
That's the Pennsylvania archaeology?
jamie vernon
This is what the book is found from.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
This is how I got to it.
hotep jesus
Yeah, I've never seen this before, but there's some archaeological evidence on the walls.
Like you said.
joe rogan
A lot of people don't even know that Egypt's in Africa.
That's hilarious.
When you start talking to people about...
hotep jesus
Think about that.
joe rogan
...African culture.
Egypt is Africa.
hotep jesus
Why don't they want the seven wonders of the world to be associated with Africa?
joe rogan
Well, because Africa's a continent, I guess.
They think of it in terms of...
Because Egypt is so unbelievably unique globally.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there's nothing like it in the world.
hotep jesus
We know Stonehenge is in Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Stonehenge is clunky in comparison to the shit that you find in Egypt.
hotep jesus
Oh, yeah, it is.
But they still pop up Stonehenge like it's some great thing.
You know, it's in Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah, Stonehenge is fascinating.
It's fascinating.
Like, hmm, why'd they do this?
There's a lot of shit in Europe, too.
They're finding now with LIDAR where they're using this.
They can map into the ground and find these structures and roads and pathways that existed.
And it's long since been reclaimed by nature.
This was one of the Graham Hancock things that he was talking about, how you look at South America when they're going through the Amazon, you're finding these incredible structures and incredible roadways and irrigations.
They believed that at one point in time there was a civilization of 20 million people living in the Amazon, and that when the European settlers came over, They brought smallpox and wiped everybody out.
hotep jesus
Boom!
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
Boom!
joe rogan
Just like they did with the Native Americans.
That's another thing that people don't know.
When they talk about Native American genocide, the vast majority is disease.
hotep jesus
It's disease, yeah.
So when people say, oh, you know, the white man came over here with violence, I'm like, nah, I don't know if he was that violent.
I don't think he had enough bullets to kill that many people.
joe rogan
They killed 90% with disease.
hotep jesus
With straight disease, man.
joe rogan
It's just fucking crazy.
hotep jesus
So where did disease come from?
joe rogan
You're dirty people.
hotep jesus
Shit in the streets.
So how can you tell me that, you know, I'm just a slave?
Right?
When the filth, the degeneration of Europe is what came to America.
Greatness didn't come to America.
Degeneration came to America.
joe rogan
Well, some greatness did, too.
hotep jesus
Well, I mean, when we talk about the people that came here, they were escaping the oppression of...
joe rogan
Yes, Europe.
hotep jesus
They were the undesirables in Europe, right?
joe rogan
Or the people who tried to get away from religious persecution.
hotep jesus
Right.
Things like that, yeah.
But these were the dregs of the society, right?
joe rogan
In many ways.
hotep jesus
Yeah.
So you come here and you're dirty and you infect the people.
And maybe now that's why you got to go to Africa.
joe rogan
Because everybody's dead.
If you were speaking in front of Congress and you were talking about reparations, what would you have to say?
hotep jesus
Keep the conversation going.
Open up the conversation.
Let's get more minds involved.
Don't shoot it down.
And Dems must pay.
You know, I got the hashtag going.
Dems must pay.
joe rogan
Why Dems?
hotep jesus
Because it's a great start, number one.
So, you know, when we had the debate with CJ Pearson, he said, you know, in his rant...
You know, he went off about that and he said, if anything, the Dems should pay.
It's the liberals because they had the KKK. They owned slavery.
They ran the slave trade.
So it's like, well, if that's the case, then why don't we make them pay?
The other thing is, you know, if you're conservative and you're having this election race or whatever, why don't you just take the wild card away from them, you know, from the left?
And say, well, yeah, you know, if there is a reparations conversation, you know, that was the Democrats, that was the Dixiecrats that installed black codes in South Carolina.
They're the ones that...
joe rogan
That's an interesting conversation, right?
When you say that?
Yeah.
Wait, what?
Actually, the Democrats are responsible.
hotep jesus
Yeah, you had the thing called black codes.
And if you were considered black...
Then you didn't have rights.
The funny thing is you could be technically African and be white.
White isn't a color.
It's a status.
joe rogan
Elon Musk.
hotep jesus
What do you mean?
joe rogan
He's from Africa.
hotep jesus
Is he?
joe rogan
Yep.
hotep jesus
Well, I knew that.
But he's not an African.
joe rogan
Well, he was born in Africa.
hotep jesus
But he's not an African.
joe rogan
South African.
hotep jesus
So when we do his 23andMe, what is his name?
joe rogan
Probably Dutch or something.
Something from Europe.
But there's white people that their lineage historically is from Africa?
hotep jesus
Sure.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, the Sephardic people that lived in Northern Africa, right?
hotep jesus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where it's considered more Middle East.
hotep jesus
Right, right, right.
You can see some of that.
Absolutely.
But these people aren't the African.
These people come from Turkey.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
hotep jesus
They come from Kiev, Russia.
You know, that's where they come from.
They migrated into Africa.
That's not where they're from.
Their bodies aren't even biologically conducive to that environment.
You know, I'm not conducive to the New York environment.
White folks.
joe rogan
Who is?
hotep jesus
Exactly.
But white folks is running down the street with shorts and I'm just like, yo, I need a jacket.
But there's definitely a biological difference there that we got to recognize.
unidentified
Sure.
hotep jesus
Let's just know where we came from.
joe rogan
Yeah.
hotep jesus
You know?
Yeah.
Oh.
It's a lot to this conversation.
joe rogan
It is a lot to this conversation, but it's so heavily weighted.
People don't want to be objective about it.
hotep jesus
Right.
joe rogan
What's up?
jamie vernon
The thing I found about the Egyptians in Ohio was actually from a paper that was written.
It's postulating, and I guess they took a lot of the evidence that they had been finding and saying this shows that there might have actually been Egyptians there.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's from 1937?
jamie vernon
That's when the guy was, I think, born.
This is 40 years ago.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
That amulet was brass, apparently, and it was found near Cincinnati.
And where I actually think it might have been trading, trade routes, because there was some, like, stones that have been found in various parts of the world that are from specifically Ohio because it's like a rainbow shale that was used in, like, arrowheads and stuff a long, long time ago.
That area was used to make weapons, like, the first, like, 12,000 years ago when the first people were kind of in North America.
But that area in Ohio also is known as the sandstone capital of the world, and I don't know if that's related to the Egyptians, because that's what the pyramids are made out of, you know?
There's tons of sandstone that is very specific to that region.
joe rogan
Pyramids made out of sandstone?
jamie vernon
I thought so.
Yeah, there's 21...
From 1800 to 1980, 21 times the amount of sandstone that made the Great Pyramid was shipped out of Ohio to make various buildings all over the world.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
Most of them in the United States, obviously, but all over the place.
joe rogan
Dun-dun-dun.
jamie vernon
Yeah, just weird facts I found after Graham came through.
joe rogan
The history of the humans.
hotep jesus
We don't know history.
joe rogan
We know some, all right?
hotep jesus
The only history that we know is the one we go discover on our own time.
The one that's presented to us is not history.
It's all lies.
joe rogan
Well, it's not all lies.
hotep jesus
All of it.
joe rogan
There's some lies.
jamie vernon
I found that too.
joe rogan
Lost civilization in Grand Canyon was, wait, Egyptian?
jamie vernon
The Smithsonian published some stuff in 1909, I guess, where all this came from.
There was an article that got written, and I don't know how much of it they proved or was proven or was just newspaper.
It's like bait back in the day.
joe rogan
Even more amazing, the artifacts didn't match up to anything on the known record.
Rather than appearing to be of Native American origin, as one might expect, the object had distinct Egyptian or Tibetan designs.
Mm-hmm.
Could there have been an entire civilization of Egyptians living here?
If so, how did they get here?
hotep jesus
It's not that hard.
Hop in a boat, man.
You got cats that leave Africa and try to come to Spain on these places on a chicken wing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It is interesting, right?
Like, the population of Cuba.
Cuba's so insanely diverse, and it's right there.
Like, what is the history of that other than the slave routes?
Like, what is the history of Cuba?
Because Cuba is very distinct African people living there.
hotep jesus
The whole Caribbean, all that whole area has a lot of African roots to it.
But it's just a place that was conquered by the Spain, you know, by the Corteses, you know, those type of people.
joe rogan
What really disturbs me is there's no way to know exactly what happened.
It's like you're piecing things together based on artifacts and historical record, things that people wrote down and journals and logs.
hotep jesus
Well, there's people that have traveled.
So, again, I've studied this so long ago, but I remember reading primary source from somebody that traveled with Cristobal Colon, aka Christopher Columbus.
And he was saying very specific things about his accounts when he reached these different places.
He was saying things like, we got to the land and we found Africans.
And I remember him specifically saying, so no matter where we go, we find Africans.
And he said it as if he was disappointed.
And then they started talking about their culture and describing their culture.
You just got to go look at the people that travel with Crystal Ball Cologne.
And there's some firsthand accounts there.
And they're very honest about it.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm going to look into that now.
That's very interesting.
I'm going to ask Graham about that, too, what he knows about it.
He's studied, especially on his latest book, he studied a lot about the various cultures that made it to North America and South America.
hotep jesus
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, this is very rich in history.
Very, very rich in history.
joe rogan
I gotta wrap this up, but thanks for coming, man.
I had a great time talking to you.
Tell everybody it's Vibe High on Twitter.
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hotep jesus
No Instagram.
joe rogan
Don't follow Instagram.
Your show, your YouTube show.
hotep jesus
Hotep's been told you every Thursday, 8 p.m.
joe rogan
It's a great name.
hotep jesus
All right.
And my main website is bryansharp.co, B-R-Y-N-S-H-A-R-P-E.co.
unidentified
That's the real man.
joe rogan
But Hotep Jesus is...
unidentified
That's preferred.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate it, man.
That was fun.
Thank you.
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