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Nov. 24, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - November 24, 2018
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brendan schaub
32:40
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bryan callen
40:12
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eddie bravo
22:18
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joe rogan
01:14:53
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elijah schaffer
00:02
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jamie vernon
00:32
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Speaker Time Text
joe rogan
Here we go.
Three, two, one.
unidentified
My phone's off.
joe rogan
We're live, ladies and gentlemen.
This is Fight Companion Podcast.
If you've ever listened to one of these before, oftentimes we don't even watch the fights.
bryan callen
We talk about more things.
joe rogan
Yes, but we're watching the fights.
Certainly, at least some of the time.
eddie bravo
There's more to life than fights.
bryan callen
Did you guys decide to go, did you call each other and say, let's double blast with the lilac, or is that just a coincidence?
joe rogan
This is just luck.
bryan callen
It's a happy coincidence.
brendan schaub
Geniuses wear purple.
joe rogan
I just decided to wear purple.
I got here, he's wearing purple, and he's got a fucking purple car, so he double purpled.
bryan callen
Yeah, well, that car infuriates me.
Now, I've read that lilac, and I'm going to call that lilac, is actually a head turner with the ladies.
They're drawn to the color.
joe rogan
Really?
bryan callen
Yes.
So they say if you're going to go out on a date or you're going to go out on the town, you might want to throw some lilac on your body.
joe rogan
Or maybe ladies will see the lilac and think you're trying too hard.
bryan callen
Maybe, but it soothes my eye and I can't take my eyes off your torso.
joe rogan
But yet you don't like his car.
eddie bravo
Whoa!
brendan schaub
You told Joe that?
joe rogan
Well, let's get rid of that.
brendan schaub
Well, he doesn't know.
He goes, why do you have a wing on the back?
bryan callen
Yeah, that fin is ridiculous.
joe rogan
Silly fuck.
bryan callen
But we don't need that fin, huh?
joe rogan
You do.
They actually make a GT3. You're in a windbreak touring package.
bryan callen
Hey.
joe rogan
The GT3.
bryan callen
Hey, you just attacked my personage.
joe rogan
The windbreaker?
I mean, he's like one of them jogging dad type characters.
bryan callen
No, I'm not.
I'm an athlete, and athletes keep their muscles warm.
brendan schaub
Educate them on the wing, though.
joe rogan
The wing keeps the ass end down.
That's what it does.
It's downforce.
bryan callen
But here's my question.
How come you buy a car in LA traffic where you got to keep the ass down?
joe rogan
You know I have one of those too, right?
I have one with a wing.
eddie bravo
Whale tail.
Isn't that what they're called?
joe rogan
No, that's different.
Whale tail is like...
That's an old school one.
It's different.
It's like the turbos.
They had a whale tail.
It's like a flat looking kind of thing that is a part of the rear deck.
This is lifted above the rear deck.
bryan callen
Brackets.
joe rogan
It's an actual tail.
It has brackets.
brendan schaub
It's more effective.
bryan callen
It is.
joe rogan
It's more effective.
eddie bravo
They don't have whale tails anymore?
joe rogan
No.
The whale tails went out with a 1993 turbo.
brendan schaub
They're expensive to buy now, though.
joe rogan
I guess you could.
brendan schaub
Like in a whale tail now.
unidentified
I like that.
bryan callen
Cars like that are interesting because It's like this psychological thing for all guys.
It's like, at least I know I have the power under my hood.
I'm never going to use it, but I know I got it.
eddie bravo
You still have a Tesla?
bryan callen
We all want to know we have it.
joe rogan
Listen to what you're talking about.
brendan schaub
You're a beta male, bro.
bryan callen
No, I'm not, dude.
Just because I'm in a windbreaker.
unidentified
Right?
brendan schaub
Can there be more of a beta comment than that?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
God.
brendan schaub
I'm about utility, bro.
joe rogan
If you drive fast, it literally results in hundreds of pounds of downforce.
bryan callen
You don't drive that fast.
joe rogan
You don't have to drive that fast to feel the difference.
bryan callen
Have you ever been out of second gear in that car?
unidentified
Of course.
brendan schaub
Dude, I'd go very fast.
bryan callen
I hope the police are listening.
I really do.
brendan schaub
You beta, bro.
bryan callen
Because you're irresponsible.
unidentified
You beta.
joe rogan
But you have that fucking Tesla.
That thing's fast as shit.
bryan callen
Well, my buddy, you know, Frank's got that, Frank Grillo has that Dodge.
joe rogan
Why don't you put the headphones on so we don't talk over each other?
bryan callen
He's got that Dodge 800 horsepower.
brendan schaub
He has like a Hellcat that's souped up.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
I beat him off the line.
brendan schaub
He's not going through midlife, Chris.
What are you saying?
bryan callen
I beat him off the line.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're racing irresponsibly on the streets with children.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
He might drop a ball in the traffic.
brendan schaub
Fast and furious.
bryan callen
He started revving his engine.
Don't rev your engine at me.
I'm good, but if you rev your engine at me, I'll meet you halfway.
Why do you care?
joe rogan
Your engine doesn't even rev. Exactly.
Wouldn't you just be cool about it?
Let him make his noise in the police environment.
eddie bravo
You're going to get that new Roadster, the one that they launched into space?
joe rogan
That is dope as fuck.
That thing's got a 600 mile range.
brendan schaub
I haven't seen it.
The new Tesla?
joe rogan
It's lighter and they have more room for batteries and they're more efficient with the battery software and everything now.
bryan callen
That's my only problem with the Tesla.
joe rogan
Does it look cool?
The road still looks dope.
It looks like a combination of a Ferrari and a Lotus.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You've never seen it?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Pull up that...
bryan callen
My problem with the Tesla right now is that the battery doesn't last long enough.
It just doesn't.
And I don't have anywhere to charge it.
brendan schaub
It'll get better though.
Like the newer ones, every year it'll get better, better, better.
joe rogan
There it is.
eddie bravo
It can handle space.
It can handle space.
joe rogan
That's with the roof up.
bryan callen
That's a beautiful car.
joe rogan
Put the roof down.
Show a picture of the roof down.
brendan schaub
Kids call it get the titties out?
Damn!
joe rogan
Look at that sun.
bryan callen
1.9 seconds?
joe rogan
1.9 seconds, 0-60.
That's a demon.
That car will make your fucking RS Porsche look like a slow...
Watch your fucking tone.
I got one, too.
unidentified
I got one, too.
joe rogan
It'll make mine.
bryan callen
I'm getting one.
joe rogan
1.9 seconds, 0-60.
That is a dope car.
brendan schaub
Dude!
You know what?
joe rogan
250 miles an hour, dude.
621 mile range.
brendan schaub
It just doesn't do it for me, dude.
bryan callen
That doesn't do it for you?
brendan schaub
Nope.
joe rogan
That car.
brendan schaub
I need a V10. I need a fucking V8 behind that bad boy.
joe rogan
You have an inline 6 in your car.
brendan schaub
Inline 6. I need something pretty gnarly.
unidentified
Look at that, though.
joe rogan
Look at that.
bryan callen
Dude, I'm getting that car.
joe rogan
Dude, that is a radical-looking car.
bryan callen
Just so I can be faster than Brennan.
Just so I can laugh at you.
joe rogan
You'll be a lot faster.
You could drive that car to Vegas.
brendan schaub
Really?
You could also suck a dude off.
joe rogan
You could suck a dude off.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
In that car.
brendan schaub
You could suck a dude off.
bryan callen
I wouldn't do that unless he was wearing a lilac.
Unless he was...
brendan schaub
I don't know, man.
I just can't get behind the electric car.
bryan callen
You will.
brendan schaub
Well, you've seen the Porsche?
You've seen the Porsche electric car coming out.
If anyone's going to do it, it's going to be Porsche.
joe rogan
But the Porsche looks like dog shit compared to that.
brendan schaub
Dude, it's like I don't know you anymore.
bryan callen
How much is that?
joe rogan
That Taycan?
Dude, the Porsche Taycan electric car?
brendan schaub
You've seen the all-electric one?
joe rogan
It looks like shit.
brendan schaub
Jamie, bring that shit up.
joe rogan
Porsche, I think it's called a Taycan or something like that.
bryan callen
Is it?
Taycan?
brendan schaub
It looks very similar to that, but way cooler.
bryan callen
How much is the Tesla?
How much is that Roadster Tesla?
joe rogan
They don't know yet because it hasn't been released, but probably 200. Look at that.
What?
That does not look nearly as good.
bryan callen
That's a nice looking car.
brendan schaub
They're not as good as the Tesla.
They're pretty similar, but it's a Porsche.
bryan callen
It's a beautiful car.
brendan schaub
The Tesla looks way better.
No, I disagree.
joe rogan
And I'm not saying because my good friend Elon Musk makes it.
By the way, we're good friends.
brendan schaub
Oh, I forgot.
bryan callen
I like that that's wrong.
brendan schaub
Dude, that's not dope.
joe rogan
We text each other.
unidentified
Do you?
joe rogan
I text Elon Musk.
I'm his friend.
brendan schaub
That's your best friend.
joe rogan
That's kind of a clock.
See that clock over there?
I got him one of those.
Got him accustomed to the TGT Studios clock.
bryan callen
That's kind of cool.
joe rogan
No big deal.
Nothing weird about that.
Don't be scared of that weed.
brendan schaub
Is he still trying to build that subway underneath the LA? That motherfucker's trying to build everything.
joe rogan
If you talk to him in private, I wish I could try his brain out for a day and find out what's going on in there, but it's just rattling around information constantly.
Things are flying around.
And he's just grabbing it and stuffing it into boxes and digging holes under the ground and shooting things to the moon.
His brain just doesn't stop.
brendan schaub
He's single?
joe rogan
He is now.
brendan schaub
Holla.
bryan callen
When you talk to guys like that who are lateral thinkers, you realize the guy who made me feel really dumb and almost like a fraud was...
joe rogan
Brendan Schaub?
bryan callen
Not Brendan Schaub.
Peter Thiel.
I was listening to him talk.
And I went...
Yeah, I met him.
I had dinner at his house tonight.
And I was like...
He was talking.
And I realized that everything I say is basically an amalgam of the things I've read or heard.
joe rogan
And he's one of the ones that write those things.
bryan callen
Yeah.
He just thinks things on his own.
joe rogan
Well, you know, he started PayPal with Elon.
brendan schaub
God damn!
That's how those boys got rich?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
PayPal?
joe rogan
That's one of the ways.
bryan callen
Well, whenever you think you're a black belt, you realize you're a white belt.
Here you go, buddy.
joe rogan
Pass that shit to me.
brendan schaub
Elon went on the podcast, when he asked him a question, though, he really downloaded that data before he gave an answer.
joe rogan
Long pauses.
I would say he's very enthusiastic, almost like a child with certain things, with his blowtorch gun, stuff like that.
But when it comes to thinking about things, he'll just sit down and pause before he gives you an answer.
He wants to really consider it.
brendan schaub
Very smart.
Because I just go...
And then fucking Tesla.
He's thoughtful.
joe rogan
But that's also one of the charms of you is that you say stupid shit that you wish you didn't say right after you said it.
Right after you said it, I know he's like, God damn, I probably should have said that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, my entire career.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look how well it's going.
I mean, you're doing a Showtime special fucking two and a half years into comedy.
Not even, right?
How many years in the comedy?
By the time you film it.
Two and change.
brendan schaub
Two and change.
joe rogan
That's outstanding.
I say stick with what got you to the dance.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
Verbal diarrhea.
bryan callen
Just keep going.
brendan schaub
Until I get assassinated.
bryan callen
Yeah, I'll get assassinated.
Things will get, yeah.
joe rogan
You'll be fine.
You're saying funny shit.
It's not me.
eddie bravo
Why do you think you'd get assassinated?
joe rogan
What's that guy got going in his stomach?
eddie bravo
Are you talking some mad shit?
bryan callen
Which guy?
brendan schaub
I just say crazy shit.
joe rogan
Hey, what's the referee wearing?
The referee's like wearing something around his waist.
bryan callen
A punch?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's like a...
Please be a fanny pack.
eddie bravo
It's a fanny pack.
joe rogan
Is it?
brendan schaub
Maybe he just has a fat dick.
joe rogan
See what I'm saying?
brendan schaub
On both sides, he's carrying something.
joe rogan
It looks like in the front.
Maybe it is a fanny pack.
Damn, we don't know who's fighting.
brendan schaub
Jingling.
joe rogan
He is a beast.
And Zawada.
Yes, he is.
bryan callen
Is he?
joe rogan
Folks watching at home, 4 minutes and 37, 36, 35, 34, 33 seconds into the first round.
brendan schaub
Dude, fuck this card.
If it ain't Chuck Tito, I ain't watching.
bryan callen
Oh, shit.
They're fighting today, right?
brendan schaub
I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's fine.
They're fighting tonight.
bryan callen
Is there an undercard for that?
brendan schaub
There's an undercard with 19 fights.
eddie bravo
They both look in great shape, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
They both look in great shape.
joe rogan
Chuck looks in great shape.
eddie bravo
Chuck has a gigantic vein across his bicep.
brendan schaub
They've been tested, too.
That's a good sign.
joe rogan
Chuck always had that, like, kind of, his belly always sticks out.
brendan schaub
We call it the power gut.
joe rogan
Power gut.
He's always had that, even when he was at the top of the food chain.
When he was the best light heavyweight.
Oh, shit.
Zawada clipped him.
brendan schaub
Damn, Jinglang.
joe rogan
Even when Chuck was at the top of the food chain, he always had that.
That's just how he's built.
He's just built odd.
Tito was pointing at it.
It was really funny.
He was making fun of him, but he was wearing a shirt.
brendan schaub
It didn't make any sense.
Yeah, it was strange.
joe rogan
Tito, you were wearing a shirt.
brendan schaub
The whole thing's been a little strange.
I think they should have done like, because those guys should go out on their shields as Hall of Famers.
I think, I wish, you know, Chuck said when they wanted to do the fight, he called Dana and Dana was like, get the fuck out of here.
It ain't happening.
Good luck though.
And so I wish they would have done like a tough finale or like a big card and they're just like a feature fight or some shit.
joe rogan
You know what?
I want to see it.
I support everyone's right to do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it, as long as they're not hurting anybody.
And this goes into that.
I support your right to bull ride.
I support your right to skydive.
Do whatever you want to do, man.
And if these guys...
What is our thought?
If they don't do this, they're going to live forever?
No.
They know the risks.
They're big boys.
The real question is...
Should they be doing it?
brendan schaub
They went through all the testing.
I had Chuck and Tito both on my show.
I asked Chuck, you've gone through all the testing with Commission California?
Because when I was fighting, going through California commissions, they were by far the strictest.
You do not want to fight here.
If you're taking protein powder, they're the worst.
Chuck's like, I went through all the California commission shit.
I'm like, damn!
joe rogan
I'm a big fan of this guy who runs it in California, Andy Foster.
brendan schaub
He's a beast.
joe rogan
He's really on top of the ball.
He's super proactive.
He's really smart.
He used to fight himself.
Lifelong martial artist.
Full respect for the sport.
Super progressive about people's weight cuts.
Doesn't want people cutting a shitload of weight in his state.
He tries to monitor their hydration.
He wants to get your weight out in advance.
He's ahead of it with everything.
brendan schaub
He's not a dinosaur.
joe rogan
No, he's ahead of it also with weight classes.
They instituted more weight classes in California early on.
unidentified
Are you guys aware of how 1FC does their weigh-ins?
bryan callen
How do they do it?
joe rogan
How do they do it?
There's no weight cutting, man.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
There's no weight cutting.
They do hydration tests.
Wow.
They do hydration tests.
bryan callen
So you fight whatever is closest to your natural weight, which I think makes sense.
joe rogan
One FC, 100% is doing it better than anybody else.
100%.
bryan callen
You know what the problem with that is, though?
joe rogan
Some people have bodies.
They stop the weight cutting.
It's not necessary.
brendan schaub
So it's the divisions.
joe rogan
The division is what you weigh.
So Ben Askren went up to 185. He was 170, and they jumped him up to 185, which is like his real walk-around weight.
eddie bravo
How do they determine what that weight is?
There's got to be an official weigh-in at some point.
joe rogan
Look, you could always manipulate your weight and stay healthy within a certain range of your discipline, right?
And you would still be hydrated.
So if you, like, say if you said your best weight is 165, you just decided that, all you would have to do is make sure you got your body weight down and do it over a long period of time so that you're, you know, you're doing cardio, you're eating right, you're making sure, and then keep your weight in that range.
Like, you could decide totally.
To fluctuate 10 pounds one way or the other and still be fairly healthy.
It's just a matter of how much certain kinds of exercise you do and how much time.
But the thing about the certain kinds of exercise is once people got some power, they don't want to give that power up.
And if you're like 175 but jacked and you really would be better off 165 but a little thinner, you know, like cardio-wise, a lot of guys don't want to give up that power.
bryan callen
But also, you know, some guys are huge for their weight class, and for whatever reason, like Darren Till, and who's the guy in Bellator who lost Rory Markham in the title fight, Rory McDonald?
joe rogan
Lima.
bryan callen
Those guys are giant for their weight class.
Beast, beast.
And I think sometimes some people have the kind of body, like some people have a body, like they're 230, but their weight's all on their ass and legs, and they have small upper bodies.
And maybe that's not as good as someone like, I don't know, who has...
joe rogan
That's all well and good.
But the real thing should be, what do you really weigh?
All the other stuff is bullshit.
All the other stuff is just, we've just agreed upon this because we've been doing it this way for so long.
It should be, get to a healthy weight, what do you weigh, and there's got to be more weight class.
brendan schaub
It's just from a wrestling background, right?
unidentified
How do we test the hydration?
joe rogan
They make you urinate and they check your urine and they check the weight of your urine.
That's one of the ways.
There's a bunch of different sophisticated ways to do it.
eddie bravo
The weight of your urine.
joe rogan
Yeah, because the more minerals and the more stuff is in your urine, it indicates how much water you have in your body.
Like what percentage of water you have in your body, whether or not you're dehydrated.
Just make sure.
I might be wrong about that.
eddie bravo
So when you pee...
A clear, that means you're more hydrated, right?
unidentified
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
And the darker it is...
But it doesn't necessarily...
If you've taken a bunch of vitamins, you can still pee dark.
eddie bravo
It's a bright yellow.
brendan schaub
Oh, my shit will be toxic.
unidentified
It's like, ah, neon, it stinks.
joe rogan
Some of it does come out in your urine, but some of it still is getting absorbed in your body.
It's not all of it that's going out in your urine.
It's still a good idea to take multivitamins.
brendan schaub
1FC hired Misha Tate, too.
joe rogan
She's moving there.
She's going to move to Singapore.
brendan schaub
I think it's a smart move, man.
She's a smart girl.
bryan callen
Singapore's a great place to live.
joe rogan
Hey, man, they might seriously be looking at her as a big-time executive, like the female Dana White for Asia.
brendan schaub
Sounds like that's what they're doing.
joe rogan
Well, Rich Franklin's doing it, too, though, right?
Doesn't he have a big role over there as well?
eddie bravo
Yep.
brendan schaub
Huge role, right?
joe rogan
What does he do over there?
eddie bravo
I'm not sure what he does, but he's got some kind of executive job.
joe rogan
And does he live in Singapore as well?
brendan schaub
Damn, Franklin.
You have to live in Singapore.
Misha was headed there.
eddie bravo
They're not going to commit to you unless you commit to them.
brendan schaub
Now, did Brandon Vera just won?
Was that in 1FC? Did you see his fight?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, Brandon Vera is a monster in heavyweight.
A monster in heavyweight.
brendan schaub
He looks amazing.
joe rogan
Dude, he looks so good.
brendan schaub
The guy beats no punk either, and he's so...
bryan callen
Wasn't he an Olympic Greco guy, Brandon Vera?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
He was a very good wrestler.
And you know what the funny thing is?
What he's known for is his kickboxing.
brendan schaub
Amazing.
joe rogan
You know, he had a hard time in the UFC, dude, because there was this one period of time where they were in contract negotiations, and I feel like he lost a lot of momentum there.
brendan schaub
Well, because remember, he beat Frank Mir, and then goes, I'm going to be the light heavyweight champion and heavyweight champion.
What's up?
And then there were issues.
joe rogan
Yeah, then there were issues.
brendan schaub
And then he was like out for a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was out for a long time.
brendan schaub
And he came back, and it was tough, man.
joe rogan
He got his nose.
Fuck.
Didn't he also fight Fabricio Verdum and he got trapped under the mount?
Wasn't it Verdum who TKO'd him?
brendan schaub
Was it Verdum?
joe rogan
I feel like Verdum just handled him.
brendan schaub
I remember you realized he had really good jiu-jitsu.
Remember he submitted...
joe rogan
Pull that up.
brendan schaub
What's that dude's name?
Brazilian cat.
I'm forgetting his name now.
joe rogan
Asuario Silva?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Big dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, big dude.
Yeah, he has skills, dude.
He trained at 10th Planet.
I was there with him at 10th Planet one day.
brendan schaub
Way back in the day.
eddie bravo
He dropped in a few times.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But he was also trained by a homeboy...
joe rogan
Rob Kamen.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
For kickboxing, but Jiu-Jitsu.
eddie bravo
He was in San Diego.
joe rogan
The Alliance.
He's been with the Alliance forever.
brendan schaub
But he was a black belt.
Who's the black dude?
joe rogan
Lloyd Irvin.
brendan schaub
Lloyd Irvin.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was with Lloyd Irvin.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
unidentified
Exactly.
brendan schaub
He's a Lloyd Irvin guy.
joe rogan
Dude, Brandon Barrett is a bad motherfucker.
Well, what's crazy is his wrestling and his grappling was like what you would think if you looked at his skill set, but it's like he just got so good at striking early on.
He was known more of a striker than anything.
brendan schaub
Oh, by far.
Dude, remember when Frank Mir came back after the motorcycle accident?
Like, here's Brandon Vera.
And Brandon Vera went, cool story.
bryan callen
Knee!
brendan schaub
And just fucked him up.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fucked him up.
unidentified
It was horrible.
eddie bravo
Doesn't he have a head kick knockout, too?
Brandon Vera?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Dude, you see him in the UFC. Big time head kick knockout.
joe rogan
Well, he knocked out Frank Mir with a head kick.
bryan callen
Who smashed his nose?
His nose got so fucked up in one fight.
Remember?
joe rogan
Brandon Barrett's nose?
bryan callen
Yeah, his nose was literally completely flat.
joe rogan
He's had some tough fights, man.
brendan schaub
But in 1FC, you see him soccer kick dudes in the face?
joe rogan
Dude, it's wrong.
When they let him kick people on the ground, first of all, he's so much bigger now.
brendan schaub
Dude, he's so jacked now.
And some poor soul he fought was like, oh, there's soccer kicks?
Not worried.
unidentified
He's huge!
bryan callen
So you're allowed to kick that guy on the ground?
joe rogan
While the guys are on the ground, he's soccer kicking them in the head.
It's bad, dude.
bryan callen
That's not a good rule.
Like, on their back.
eddie bravo
It's fighting.
joe rogan
Getting head kicked.
brendan schaub
Dude, but that soccer head kick, they'll make you rethink your entire life.
joe rogan
The soccer head kick, there's so much power in that.
eddie bravo
Part of the game.
joe rogan
It is probably the most powerful kick you could do, honestly.
It's one of those weird kicks that doesn't really show up in martial arts, except if you allow someone to kick someone when they're down.
Because that's the only time or ever you can generate that kind of power.
Because if you really think about it, like everything else, you've got to kind of teach your foot.
To do this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta teach your body to do this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta teach yourself.
But this.
bryan callen
A kid does that.
joe rogan
Everybody does that.
brendan schaub
You're talking about the Charlie Brown kids.
That's the Charlie Brown.
joe rogan
From like one foot away.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And just fucked it.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Everybody can do it.
bryan callen
You know how violent that is?
You can hold your head.
eddie bravo
He can't.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Everybody can do that.
brendan schaub
Jamie, bring Brandon Vera up.
joe rogan
First of all, Brandon Vera looks like a video game character now.
bryan callen
I need to see him, because he used to be flat.
His body was flat.
brendan schaub
No, he looks like Saget off Street Fighter now.
joe rogan
Dude, he's a giant man.
brendan schaub
He looks like Saget off Street Fighter.
bryan callen
Is that from eating a lot of steak?
joe rogan
Yes.
What do you think?
He's like 240 now, 240 maybe?
bryan callen
Boom!
joe rogan
And that's just one.
That's just one.
Look at this.
Boom!
bryan callen
Oh, Jesus Christ.
He's athletic as shit.
brendan schaub
That's not a bad one.
joe rogan
That's just one.
There's another one when he's head-kicking the guy while the guy's down.
brendan schaub
He just soccer kicks the shit out of him.
He was like the first real big-time athlete that I remember.
joe rogan
But some people think that this is a better way to express fighting because this is realistic.
brendan schaub
I disagree.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the back of the head.
bryan callen
I think that's bad.
I like it.
brendan schaub
Eddie loves that shit.
Too barbaric, man.
eddie bravo
I would like to see headbutts.
Bring the headbutts back.
joe rogan
Oh, this fight is over?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
That's Cambodian.
joe rogan
Between rounds.
We're not even paying attention to this fight at all.
We're watching extraneous fights.
This is when people get mad.
brendan schaub
No one paid attention to these fights.
bryan callen
This is a good fight.
This is actually a really good fight.
eddie bravo
You know, UFC Fight Pass is working on getting this league.
I think it's in Burma, where you just wrap your hands.
It's Muay Thai kickboxing with...
Headbutts.
joe rogan
Legal.
What is it called?
Letchway?
How do you say it?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's called Lethway or something.
Lethway, I think.
brendan schaub
It's a fight league?
joe rogan
They're working on getting that on Fight Pass.
eddie bravo
It's crazy what that means.
joe rogan
So what, they put ropes on their hands?
eddie bravo
Yeah, they wrap their hands up with something.
I'm not sure.
bryan callen
But barely.
eddie bravo
But the fact that headbutts are legal, holy shit.
bryan callen
So Frank Grillo in Fight World went to Cambodia and lived with them and studied with them.
And the problem is they don't have ice in Cambodia.
They're so poor.
So when they get hit in the face and stuff, they just stay swollen.
brendan schaub
So between rounds.
joe rogan
Lethwe.
bryan callen
Lethwe.
It's incredible.
joe rogan
I wonder how they say it.
I wonder how you pronounce it.
eddie bravo
Shots.
unidentified
Highlights.
brendan schaub
Elbows.
bryan callen
Headbutts.
eddie bravo
Standing against the ropes.
Boom.
Dude just dropped.
joe rogan
And are you allowed to hit to the back of the head?
eddie bravo
I'm not sure about that.
joe rogan
You know, Eddie and I have talked about this a hundred times, but it's an important fact that when you watch head kicks, there's a lot of the time head kicks are landing to the back of the head.
Like you say you can't hit someone in the back of the head, right?
It's not supposed to be legal.
If I go over your shoulder and I kick you, I'm kicking the back of the head.
brendan schaub
So do punches, though.
Like a lot of right hands, a guy that hits him right in the fucking back of the head.
bryan callen
Bring up Ernesto Host when he hits Maurice Green.
Maurice Smith.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Dude, he wraps his head around your fucking head and his neck just goes...
joe rogan
His foot around your head.
bryan callen
His neck just went...
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was tough.
I was good friends with Maurice when that was going on.
Maurice was fighting when, you know, he probably shouldn't have been doing it anymore.
brendan schaub
Denver's finest.
bryan callen
Well, Ernesto Host is, you know...
joe rogan
But I mean, he was fighting pro kickboxing while he was also doing MMA. And Maurice is a world-class kickboxer.
But I really think for you to fight a guy like Ernesto Hoost, you kind of have to be kickboxing all the time.
unidentified
Of course.
brendan schaub
You've got to be all in.
joe rogan
Of course.
And Maurice...
bryan callen
You see what he does like that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And Maurice...
Like, for real, was a super skilled world champion kickboxer.
But he had been doing...
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
How do you...
Look at that.
He lifts his...
Watch this.
joe rogan
Dude, he was so good.
bryan callen
Mr. Perfect.
brendan schaub
Remember his fights against Bob Sapp?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
joe rogan
His fucking leg kicks, man.
They're the best.
bryan callen
Look at the way he punches, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he did everything awesome.
But the thing about him, you know, here's another one.
Look at him now.
He looks like a super fighter game, too, right?
Doesn't he look like some kind of video game character in these images?
Well, then go to him early in his career.
He was a bag of bones, man.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was skinny.
brendan schaub
What do you think?
unidentified
He was like 160. Yeah, he was a good diet.
joe rogan
Dude, for real, he was real thin.
He was very long and almost like Stylebender-like.
bryan callen
Great fighter.
joe rogan
And then he got super jacked later in his part.
bryan callen
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Damn, Crow Cop.
Dude, his leg kicks were sensational.
eddie bravo
How about when Bob Sapp beat him?
brendan schaub
Yeah, right?
eddie bravo
You think that was a real fight?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it was.
bryan callen
You think those were real?
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah, that shit was real.
Real to me!
joe rogan
Dude, Bob Sapp is a giant human being.
bryan callen
375. They faked a lot of fights, though.
eddie bravo
They faked a lot of fights.
brendan schaub
How dare you, Eddie?
joe rogan
He's right.
brendan schaub
But did Bob Sapp have the fuck-up shoulder, or was it Ernesto?
Remember, they kept hitting it, and that's what stopped the fight?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
That was a different fight.
I think you're thinking of a different fight.
brendan schaub
No, I'm not.
One of them had a really fucked up shoulder and he kept kicking it.
joe rogan
And he was like, no, no, no.
Ernesto kept kicking it?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he was like, no, no, no.
Maybe that was Bob Sapp.
joe rogan
That had to be one that he lost because he won the two fights that he had against Ernesto that I'm aware of.
brendan schaub
Bob Sapp did.
joe rogan
Didn't he, Eddie?
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
Bob Sapp beat Ernesto.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he beat him.
eddie bravo
That's all I know is that he beat him once.
I don't remember the second fight or if they even fought twice or three times.
I just remember Bob Sapp beating him.
joe rogan
When you really think about it, Maury Smith worked with Bob Sapp as well, taught him a lot about kickboxing.
But when you think about it, Maury Smith was like the first real high-level kickboxer to become successful at MMA. Yep.
Right?
The first world champion.
Remember when he fought Conan Silvera and head kicked him?
Everybody was like, you can't beat a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.
You're definitely not going to beat him.
bryan callen
And Coleman.
Remember when he fought Coleman?
joe rogan
Dude, I was there.
bryan callen
I was there.
So was I. We were at that fight together.
That's right.
joe rogan
We were there together.
bryan callen
Goddamn.
joe rogan
How long was that?
1996. Holy shit.
bryan callen
Right?
96, 97?
joe rogan
No, I think it was 97. 97, it might have even been 98. He kept saying, come on, come on, come on.
Come on, Mark.
bryan callen
Ground and pound me.
joe rogan
Boom!
Come on, Mark.
Ground and pound me.
bryan callen
And you saw Mark at one point got kicked one too many times and just went...
Stopped and everybody went, oh!
eddie bravo
He did take down Maury Smith a couple times.
The problem was Maury Smith has a very good defensive guard.
High level recovery.
joe rogan
And fantastic cardio.
brendan schaub
Who was he working with?
He was also working with Matt Hume.
joe rogan
He did a lot of work with Frank Shamrock.
He was good friends with Shamrock.
bryan callen
He was also an easy 230. He actually played lockdown too.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Yeah, look, Maury Smith is a smart guy, and his kickboxing was so high-level, man.
When he started fighting these MMA fighters, they realized that he could defend himself off of his back, but if you're standing up with him, you're just fucked, man.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the problem was Mark Coleman never really worked on his guard passing back then.
You know what I mean?
He just assumed that when you take someone down, you just get on top of them and beat the shit out of them.
But that's true if you don't have any kind of guard.
But Maurice Smith had a professional defensive guard.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
And also, this is the headbutt days.
That was headbutt days.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think they fought with gloves on either.
eddie bravo
You would overhook here.
joe rogan
They had gloves, right?
Yeah, they definitely had gloves.
bryan callen
Sidekick?
eddie bravo
Do you remember the most important guard position when headbutts are allowed?
joe rogan
Gotta grab the back of the head.
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
He just won with a sidekick.
With a front foot sidekick.
brendan schaub
Straight to the gut.
bryan callen
Damn, a front foot sidekick.
brendan schaub
He's a beast, man.
He's had some great fights in the UFC. Man.
joe rogan
Jon Jones dropped Vitor Belfort with a front leg sidekick once.
bryan callen
That was amazing.
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
Front leg sidekick, one of the most underrated kicks.
People just don't do it that good.
brendan schaub
Do you think Vitor Belfort's cage side tonight with Chuck Thielen rushes the cage?
joe rogan
And says, I wouldn't fight both you pussies.
brendan schaub
But he's just fucking juiced to the gills.
And we're like, yeah!
joe rogan
It probably will happen.
If they'd let him, if the UFC let him go over there.
If they let him leave...
brendan schaub
Oh, that's right.
I bet Dana will.
joe rogan
He let Chuck do it?
And they'll have him, too.
You know, if they just...
You've got to regulate medications.
Make sure that everything's okay.
brendan schaub
Come on.
joe rogan
I mean, if they're testing Chuck and Tito, you've got to test Vitor, too.
brendan schaub
Vitor can't fight in Kelly.
Let's not do that.
joe rogan
Okay.
Let's only have him fight in, like...
brendan schaub
Let's be on an Indian reservation.
unidentified
What way was this fight in?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
185?
bryan callen
170?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is it lightweight?
bryan callen
Big 170ers.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about Patsanibbio versus Neil Magny?
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
He looks really good.
brendan schaub
Patsanibbio's a real problem for people.
joe rogan
He looks really good.
brendan schaub
Fuck, he's good, man.
joe rogan
He looks really good.
brendan schaub
Neil Magny, I don't know if it's the jet lag or what.
He's my boy, but it was a late start and he got eight the fuck up.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got chewed up.
He got chewed up.
brendan schaub
He said he got poked in the eye, like, early in the first round, and he just couldn't decide, like, depth.
He had no idea what to do, so he's just always, like, waiting.
joe rogan
Fuck, that's a real problem, man.
And, you know, there's a solution in the works.
I can't talk about it.
I'm sworn to secrecy.
unidentified
What's the problem?
joe rogan
Eye pokes.
eddie bravo
Goggles.
joe rogan
No, they have a better glove design that they're working on right now.
brendan schaub
The UFC is doing it?
joe rogan
That someone's working on.
I can't say anything.
I already said too much.
bryan callen
Giant gecko hands.
brendan schaub
Dude, I also heard they're doing something about a rumor.
It's a super rumor.
I don't start anything.
USADA in 2019. Really?
joe rogan
Really?
Boom!
Look at that.
Sidekick to the body and the nasty left hands.
bryan callen
You mean they might get rid of USADA and we're back to your old days?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
I don't know if they were getting rid of it, but maybe a little...
unidentified
That is so crazy.
joe rogan
Sidekick to the body.
But especially the way he threw it.
I mean, he really got his weight behind it.
You could fuck people up with that, man.
brendan schaub
Set a lips on him.
joe rogan
It's like we all accept that the front leg side or the turning side kick or spinning back kick, we all accept that puts people out, right?
Well, how much harder is your turning side kick than your front leg side kick?
eddie bravo
Way harder.
joe rogan
Yeah, but...
brendan schaub
Significantly.
joe rogan
But how much does it take, really, to make your body cave in?
Because my front leg sidekick is way harder than my left hook.
Way harder.
bryan callen
Your front foot?
joe rogan
Front leg sidekick.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
So, yeah.
So if you think, like, of course you can left hook someone in the body and drop them and fuck them up bad.
You hit them in the liver, right?
Well, why wouldn't you think that you could do that also with a front leg sidekick on a regular basis?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just got to have a quicker snap to it.
eddie bravo
It takes a long time to develop.
That's the problem.
joe rogan
It does.
You've got to develop that quick snap, and that's what most guys are missing.
Most guys, it comes out too slow, so it's like a push.
bryan callen
The body's more designed for a left hook.
You can keep the power in your left hook probably until you're in your 60s versus a front-side kick is an athletic move.
joe rogan
There's really no heavyweight to kick that much.
Well, Volcon...
brendan schaub
A little bit, but not like crazy.
joe rogan
He has some good kicks.
He's a good kicker.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
But nothing like crazy.
joe rogan
No.
Nothing like a Crow Cop type character.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
There's no one in the UFC right now.
brendan schaub
For the big guys, there's really not...
joe rogan
That's a kicker.
bryan callen
Who else?
joe rogan
Well, there must be someone we're not thinking of.
Marcin Tabura kicks a lot.
But he's not like a barboza.
Not like a heavyweight barboza.
brendan schaub
There's no, like, just monster with the kicks.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was hoping that was going to be something we would acquire, right?
Like, get some sort of Rico Verhoeven type character.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's fighting MMA, and he's training at AKA. Well, listen, stand-up-wise, he's on not just one level, but so many levels above most people in MMA. Really?
Rico Verhoeven is a monster, dude.
brendan schaub
As far as strict stand-up, but that doesn't always translate.
It doesn't translate.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
brendan schaub
It doesn't translate.
The distance is different, the timing, your stance.
joe rogan
Verhoeven is something special.
And he's a big, giant guy with crazy cardio.
brendan schaub
Have you ever seen him, Brian?
bryan callen
No.
Is he obviously a Dutch guy?
One of those giant, milk-fed Dutch guys.
joe rogan
Jacked.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's about 240-plus pounds, and the guy has mad cardio.
It's one of the crazy things about him.
He puts a crazy pace on these guys, and he's a striker.
brendan schaub
Have you seen some of his MMA fights?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Who the fuck is fighting that poor soul?
joe rogan
I mean, he's just...
bryan callen
Oh, Lord have mercy.
brendan schaub
You want some of that, B? What the fuck is going on?
joe rogan
Yeah, see if you can find a...
bryan callen
Oh, I mean, I'd have to use my kicks.
brendan schaub
Dude, and he's at...
Hey, B, and he's at AK training with DC, Kane.
bryan callen
Dude, hey, guys, I've sparred.
joe rogan
Hey, what is this?
Bro, what the fuck are you showing us, Jamie?
He's an absolute...
Don't you do that.
bryan callen
He's a giant Dutchman.
He's a giant Dutchman.
joe rogan
Find a highlight reel.
He's a monster, dude.
Great hair, too.
And he's a young guy.
I mean, I don't even know...
brendan schaub
Out of all the highlights.
joe rogan
That guy survived, too.
brendan schaub
That guy's beat some of the best in the world out of all the guys.
Not that the guy's not highly skilled.
He looks like my uncle.
bryan callen
He can take a beating.
joe rogan
No, that big guy's supposed to be super tough.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Look at that.
People like that kind of shit, you know?
It's like...
bryan callen
Oof.
unidentified
Goddamn.
joe rogan
People love when Big Roy wins by knockout.
brendan schaub
They trust...
Yes, they do.
Isn't it weird that guy must do fucking tons of cardio, but his gut just stays.
joe rogan
He just ate the wrong food, bro.
Look at that fucking combo.
Look at his kicks, man.
I mean, Rico Verhoeven.
brendan schaub
Go to his MMA fight.
Go to his MMA fight.
Some guy gets fucking starched.
And you can't...
He's not fighting experienced, dude.
Wait, wait, wait.
What are you doing?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
Who's running this shit, Ben?
You can't listen.
brendan schaub
I'm all over the place, James.
bryan callen
His kicks are so awful.
joe rogan
You were trying to watch some of this stuff.
bryan callen
God, knees, kicks.
joe rogan
Oh!
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Jesus Christ is right.
brendan schaub
How old is he?
unidentified
I don't even think he's 30. 17. Boom!
brendan schaub
He's 15 years old.
unidentified
Russian?
joe rogan
No, he's Dutch.
He's 15. If I had a guess, I would say he's like 29. How old is he?
brendan schaub
I'd say he's in his 30s.
joe rogan
Can't check it?
bryan callen
The Dutch are the tallest people in the world, right?
They're the biggest people in the world in general.
brendan schaub
Are they?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're giant people.
I don't know if they're the biggest people in the world, but they average...
bryan callen
I heard they're the tallest people in the world.
brendan schaub
Dude, I'd love to see him and Alistair Overeem go out in MMA. A couple of big boys.
joe rogan
Alistair would take him down, for sure.
brendan schaub
Alistair's a very good grappler.
joe rogan
But Alistair would definitely stand up with him for a little bit.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Which is what he does, but he would take him down.
Alistair, very underrated grappler.
brendan schaub
Oh, amazing grappler.
joe rogan
Yeah, and his ground and pound will fuck you up.
It's a real problem.
brendan schaub
He was known for his guillotine for a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's also, he's just had so many more MMA fights.
brendan schaub
He's been fighting for a hundred years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He's good at everything.
joe rogan
But Verhoeven, he has an advantage over basically everybody right now in heavyweight.
brendan schaub
Saki has that smooth build, too, where he's just like, you know what?
bryan callen
Oh my god, look at him.
joe rogan
But what's interesting is Saki, what is he, fighting 185 in the UFC? Yeah.
brendan schaub
Or no, 205. 205. But he should be a 185-er.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is, right?
Yeah, he should be fighting 185. What's that, bro?
unidentified
29. 29 years old.
joe rogan
29 years old.
Van Hoover.
bryan callen
Rico Verhoeven is not even 30. So is he in the UFC yet or no?
joe rogan
No.
He's making his way through smaller organizations.
So show me one of his MMA fights.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
He fights MMA? Yes, bro.
brendan schaub
Some poor soul who's 0-1 is fighting him.
joe rogan
Rico Verhoeven.
eddie bravo
Rico Verhoeven.
unidentified
Verhoeven.
brendan schaub
He's a real prompt.
And he's training with Kane and DC. Heavyweight.
eddie bravo
What?
brendan schaub
He's huge, dude.
joe rogan
I mean, he's like 6'4".
eddie bravo
You better get that jiu-jitsu together, though.
joe rogan
Isn't he about 6'4"?
brendan schaub
He's a big boy.
He's a big boy, yeah.
joe rogan
Big boy and 240 jacked.
brendan schaub
Don't let the goal snitch around him, though.
unidentified
Phenomenal shape.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe not.
eddie bravo
There's been a lot of great strikers coming.
brendan schaub
Let's wait and see what happens next year.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's got to get that jiu-jitsu together.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure, right?
Yeah.
What do you think is happening?
brendan schaub
Again, rumor on super dark web rumor is that there's going to be a change with USADA moving forward a little bit.
joe rogan
Is this him, Jamie, in this video?
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
He took the guy down!
Nice!
Maybe he's good at jiu-jitsu!
bryan callen
He's an athlete!
eddie bravo
Look, he's mounting him!
Holy shit!
bryan callen
Oh, the body!
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Dude, you do not want that guy on top of you growing and powering you.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
Oh, no!
eddie bravo
Looks like he's...
Who knows?
Maybe he's really good on the ground.
joe rogan
Show me that again, Jamie.
Show me the beginning part of it again.
brendan schaub
It's supposed to have been a while ago if it's on Inside MMA. He's still doing that high cover-up, which obviously worked there.
eddie bravo
Man, he had to take the dude down.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a wild little exchange.
I mean, that dude did not...
I mean, they came to throw at each other.
That guy was not avoiding them.
eddie bravo
I like how he's punching the ribs from the mound.
Who does that?
brendan schaub
Punching the ribs from the mound?
joe rogan
He can hit you so hard, man.
You get a real striker on top of you that actually could turn their hips in.
brendan schaub
Generate the force?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you remember when Cro Cop got on top of Gabriel Gonzaga?
The rematch, the revenge fight.
eddie bravo
The elbows?
joe rogan
He smashed him with elbows.
They were horrific.
brendan schaub
Horrible.
joe rogan
Horrific.
brendan schaub
And then Gabriel got good with elbows from the bottom.
Didn't he fuck somebody up from the bottom?
bryan callen
Look at the Uri Faber in this corner there.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Here it is.
bryan callen
More recent fight.
jamie vernon
I can't tell if it's the same one, but the video is more recent.
joe rogan
This is Rico Verhoeven.
This looks like the same fight, isn't it?
I think it's the same one.
brendan schaub
How many has he had?
joe rogan
Is it?
brendan schaub
That looks like the same guy.
joe rogan
It says debut, but I don't know how it would be.
No, this is the same fight.
eddie bravo
Yeah, same guy.
brendan schaub
For a kickboxer?
Not bad passing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's gonna learn, right?
unidentified
He's high.
joe rogan
He's also smart.
So, like, what got him to become an elite kickboxer, that kind of intelligence as well as hard work, he's just gonna translate that to MMA. He's just gotta make sure that he fixes the holes in his game.
brendan schaub
He's at the right camp.
joe rogan
Whatever he's got.
brendan schaub
Man, he likes them out.
He's at the right camp, AK, with the wrestlers.
joe rogan
These are hard fucking punches, man.
Look at this.
Cleaning room for your body.
Just lifting a leg up.
eddie bravo
I think only one time ever, maybe twice, has someone gotten knocked out while they were mounting somebody from the bottom.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
You're saying the guy on the mount got knocked out?
eddie bravo
From the bottom?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somebody punches up?
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's happened at least once, maybe twice.
brendan schaub
That's embarrassing.
eddie bravo
Getting knocked out while you're being mounted.
I mean, while you're mounted.
unidentified
Sorry, excuse me.
joe rogan
I think Dwayne Ludwig...
And when...
Wasn't that something that...
Who...
eddie bravo
It happened in Japan.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Man, I'm trying to remember this.
brendan schaub
Dwayne Ludwig's fight?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why do I feel like Dwayne Ludwig did it to...
Oh, Eve Edwards.
Dwayne Ludwig did it to Eve Edwards.
He hurt him, like, really bad.
And Eve, like, covered it up.
brendan schaub
And Eve was on top?
joe rogan
Yeah, Eve was on top.
And Dwayne punched it from the bottom and hurt him really bad.
He talked about it on the podcast.
Now I remember.
brendan schaub
Dude, how long has this fight taken to get to this point?
What's going on here?
joe rogan
Well, they're in China.
Is that where they're at?
Maybe they're just giving us a chance to...
Settle in.
eddie bravo
Isn't it weird, though?
unidentified
China's communist, right?
bryan callen
They're a capitalist country.
They're a command economy, though, where a lot of decisions are made by the Politburo, by the actual government, and then from there...
eddie bravo
Their flag looks like the Soviet Union flag.
bryan callen
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Red China, right?
bryan callen
It's kind of communist.
There was a communist revolution in China.
eddie bravo
Not anymore, though.
joe rogan
It's weird because it's not a democracy.
bryan callen
No.
eddie bravo
You know, when I went to Beijing for Abu Dhabi, and in the hotels, boom, they have the TV on with the propaganda in your face.
unidentified
Oh, really?
brendan schaub
How long ago?
bryan callen
You're told.
eddie bravo
Just talking shit on the United States.
brendan schaub
Really?
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's a documentary that's on, you know, it's the default setting on your TVs in Beijing.
joe rogan
When you get there, you sit down to watch TV and a documentary on how bad the United States is is playing?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
This is why we're doing what we're doing.
Look at the United States.
The United States is, you know, they're just going down the list of all the things that the United States does that is detrimental to society.
bryan callen
Did you have to do your fingerprints on the machine?
All your fingerprints are recorded, and then you're given, at least when I was shooting a movie, you were given a...
brendan schaub
You were just there, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, you were given a memo to say, if you, in no political dissent, like, you will not voice your political point of view if it's contrary to the government's, you know, line.
And if you do that, you'll be asked to leave.
Or you could be, you know, put in jail.
brendan schaub
Didn't some American kid, like, try and steal something?
bryan callen
No, that was in North Korea.
Oh, yeah, that was Ball's son.
brendan schaub
Ball's son, yeah.
The UCLA basketball team stole, like, some sunglasses.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And fucking Trump had to help get him out.
bryan callen
They don't fuck around China.
brendan schaub
They're about to be super fucked.
unidentified
Oof.
bryan callen
But Deng Xiaoping said famously, to be rich is glorious, which was so contrary to the communist manifesto.
eddie bravo
Well, it's cool as fuck that they're allowing the UFC in there, so it can't be that communist.
bryan callen
It's a huge market.
Everybody wants the Chinese market.
brendan schaub
Well, that's the next big push for the UFC, right?
I mean, internationally, they're growing like this.
bryan callen
You're not getting Google.
You have to keep trying to find servers that would provide Google and the internet in China.
brendan schaub
Because they limit you to the access of everything, right?
bryan callen
Yes, and then they find you and they shut that down and you've got to find another one.
So anybody who worked on the set couldn't get...
You're given a phone there.
So when I was an actor, I was given a phone with WeChat.
Flip phone?
It's a phone issued to me that I can use there.
I can't use, technically, my phone and link into the World Wide Web.
unidentified
It's like a Cricut phone?
bryan callen
Too many firewalls, yeah.
And then, by the way, if you want to use your phone, you download something called WeChat, which is an app, which, you know, is controlled by somebody, so it's...
There's a lot of groupthink.
There's zero dissent.
joe rogan
And if you say something derogatory about the government...
You disappear.
And something like WeChat, they probably monitor it.
brendan schaub
Jesus, man.
joe rogan
You think they monitor it, Brian?
bryan callen
Of course they monitor it.
joe rogan
Of course they do.
brendan schaub
You didn't text me, did you?
bryan callen
It's an amazing example of how you can control a lot of people.
brendan schaub
And then North Korea, there is no internet, correct?
joe rogan
No.
They get no internet, no TV channels, no HBO. I talked to a friend of mine who works for the government, and his wife works for the government too, and they had to go to Russia for something.
And he said, you were told, just absolutely think you're being followed everywhere you go.
Assume they're listening to every word you say.
Assume that your hotel room's bugged.
And then where you go, you're being followed.
unidentified
That's right.
eddie bravo
It's kind of like the States.
joe rogan
More evidence.
WeChat is recording private messages for Beijing to spy on users.
brendan schaub
Did you even use the phone really, B? Not really.
You text me every now and then tell me how bad it sucked.
eddie bravo
Hasn't that been happening already for a while?
Don't we already know that?
That they're like...
joe rogan
Everything that's online is...
When it's confirmed like that, it just freaks people out, as well it should.
But, you know, we're just...
We forgot how...
This is why freedom of expression and freedom of speech in this country is so important.
Because while this is happening here in the United States, and freedom of speech is, you know, something that gets up for debate sometimes.
It's like, who gets to decide who gets to say this and gets to say that?
What should we stop?
The problem with...
Any kind of censorship is right while we're here being able to talk shit on a podcast, there are big giant spots in the world filled with billions of people that can't do this.
If they did this, they would get arrested.
eddie bravo
Like what country?
joe rogan
They would get locked up.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
eddie bravo
What country?
brendan schaub
This is deja vu.
eddie bravo
China?
joe rogan
We didn't podcast the way we do podcasts?
No fucking chance, man.
bryan callen
The Arab world.
I mean, one of the things that came out in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, what's come out is that these governments are saying, the royal family of the people that are in power, they go, well, there's political dissent.
So you've got journalists or people who form groups that force, say, let's say democracy or elections.
And guess what?
They hire American mercenaries.
There's just a whole article on it.
brendan schaub
Like Blackwater dudes?
bryan callen
Guys like that.
They hire American mercenaries to take care of their terrorist problem.
And their terrorist problem means that they get, as long as the American company gets issued weaponry and orders from the standing army...
Then they can do whatever they want.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
What was the article I just read?
It was fascinating.
I think it was the New York Times.
But it was just exposed where there were these ex-badass special forces guys making a fortune essentially acting as mercenaries in countries like the United Arab Emirates, etc.
to get rid of their terrorist problem.
Now that's the royal family saying it's a terrorist problem when it could very well be just a political group.
But they're getting killed.
brendan schaub
That's terrible.
bryan callen
So, you know, but the bigger issue in this country is apparently from what I'm seeing in my own experience is that when you put a certain ad on Facebook and Facebook decides that that ad might be offensive to someone.
brendan schaub
My account just got flagged, yeah.
bryan callen
Okay.
And so even if you say get in the best shape of your life or whatever it might be, that might make other people feel uncomfortable.
For whatever reason, it's either a bot, an algorithm, or somebody is flagging that ad or shutting down your account.
And I know a number of people that that's happened to.
So what the fuck is going on there?
brendan schaub
But you know also, too, is if, let's say you do an ad or you do a post on Instagram.
Let's say you have 2 million followers on how many you have.
Let's say you have 60 million.
And you do a post, you know they limit how many people it reaches now?
You have to pay extra to make sure it reaches more people.
unidentified
They got you.
eddie bravo
This is Facebook.
joe rogan
Facebook does that.
bryan callen
I don't mind that because that's...
joe rogan
Instagram does that, too.
brendan schaub
That's why it says promote your post.
Like, wow, I have fucking $60 million.
unidentified
That's why?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
So that's how they're going to make money.
bryan callen
That seems like a business model.
joe rogan
But hold on.
But is it fucked up?
Here.
Yeah, it's kind of smart.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's business.
I mean, if you're a person...
brendan schaub
Smart doesn't mean it's not fucked up.
joe rogan
One of those fitness people that grow their Instagram by just putting very...
There's dudes, too.
There's guys that I follow that are just like super jacked and they're doing like one-arm chin-ups and shit.
brendan schaub
You follow?
joe rogan
Flips and...
Yeah, follow a lot of fitness dudes.
Settle down, man.
Take it easy, bro.
I'm comfortable.
They're always in a gym where they can work out shirtless.
Everyone's shirtless.
But they're doing impressive shit.
There's like a bunch of them that I follow.
brendan schaub
Okay.
But what were you saying?
joe rogan
I forgot my point.
You made me nervous.
If they can promote their posts, man, they'll reach all these extra people.
Their thing will grow.
Their business will grow.
bryan callen
I'm a fan of that.
I'm a fan of that.
What I'm not a fan of is what I have a question about.
Is there somebody in charge of what's permissible and what's not according to a certain code of conduct?
And do they have a political agenda?
So if I put out something that has profanity or maybe a stand-up clip where I want to get people and it's a clip that is offensive to said person whose responsibility is, they can go, no.
And who's stopping them from doing that?
joe rogan
Who is stopping them?
brendan schaub
But see, with the dudes with their shirts off, flex and shit, when they're trying to get clients, that's fine.
And they can promote and reach other people outside their followers is what it should be.
But if you have 100,000 followers, it should reach all 100,000 that you built.
joe rogan
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
brendan schaub
That's what's crazy to me.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they're going to lose everybody.
There's going to be a new Instagram if they start doing that shit and it gets out of hand.
People just leave.
joe rogan
Well, you know what shadow banning is, right?
There's a concept of shadow banning.
And I don't know if this is...
Jamie would be able to speak to this better than me.
Has that ever been proved that they actually do shadow ban people?
What's that?
The term that's been used is that if you, say, were on Twitter and maybe you were conservative and you said a lot of rude things about liberals, that maybe they would decide that although it doesn't violate the terms of service, what you do is it makes them uncomfortable.
They make a moral judgment.
And they decide to limit your engagement with other people.
unidentified
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
This is somehow possible.
brendan schaub
But if there's a hater...
Is that like a hater?
unidentified
It's not...
jamie vernon
What you're saying with the paying of posts, too, it happens similarly there, too.
If you were an account that never paid, and once you pay, once you give them five bucks, you're flagged now as an account that will pay.
joe rogan
Right, but we're talking about Twitter.
It's all across the board.
Yeah, you can pay on Twitter, too.
How do you pay on Twitter?
Do you pay on Twitter?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't have to, but there are brands that pay.
You can pay?
unidentified
Yeah, promoted tweets.
brendan schaub
Promoted tweets?
jamie vernon
The top trending topic for the last year or two is a paid, it says paid or promoted.
bryan callen
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
All of them are going to it because they get money now.
joe rogan
That's how they're paid.
bryan callen
Who's been banned from Twitter?
joe rogan
A lot of people, man.
brendan schaub
Really?
A lot of people.
joe rogan
Alex Jones.
brendan schaub
Who gets banned?
joe rogan
Owen Benjamin's been banned from Twitter.
eddie bravo
Who gets banned more, conservatives or liberals?
joe rogan
Conservatives.
But liberals are banned, too.
There's liberals that have put out death threats.
They've been banned.
eddie bravo
But in general, though.
Death threats?
joe rogan
Yeah, they should be.
eddie bravo
Is it lopsided or is it even?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's a good question.
We should find out.
bryan callen
What is the criteria for being banned?
joe rogan
That's a good question too.
bryan callen
Is it to incite violence or is it?
joe rogan
They violate their terms of service and definitely if you incite violence, that's definitely a no-no.
Racial slurs are a no-no.
unidentified
Racist.
joe rogan
But you can call someone a fuckhead.
I don't think it is.
You can call someone a fuckhead, but you can't call them like a guinea fuckhead.
Yeah, yeah.
There's certain things you can say and certain things you can't say, but it's a lot of it subjective.
brendan schaub
But then some of it's pretty black and white, like if you're like, man, I want to go, or someone should blow up that fucking school, fuck those kids, or the racist stuff.
joe rogan
Yes, all of that.
brendan schaub
I think you've got to regulate the hate, too, if it's just bullying and shit like that.
I mean, just ban them.
joe rogan
Well, it's like...
Here's the question.
Who gets to decide what's hateful and what's not?
And the problem is they keep pushing it further and further and further and then even just insults are hateful.
Even like this guy is a dumbass.
That's hateful.
Saying someone's a dumbass is hateful.
There's only so far you can keep going down that road.
You want to make sure that you have free expression.
You don't get free expression If you ban people from saying things that just don't seem that bad to me.
eddie bravo
What about Alex Jones?
You think his banning was...
joe rogan
I'd like to see what he said.
brendan schaub
The Sandy Hook stuff is tough, man.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
bryan callen
He's getting sued for that anyway.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Yeah, he was already getting sued for that.
Like, what did he say that got him?
I think something happened that he did had nothing to do with even what he said.
He confronted them at some event, right?
And he was yelling in the back and disrupting.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the final event happened after he confronted people in Congress.
joe rogan
What?
eddie bravo
Alex Jones has a regular on, a former CIA officer, Dr. Steve Pachenik.
He has him on like once every six months.
That's where he got the Sandy Hook information was from him.
That dude is on video.
bryan callen
How did a guy know about Sandy Hook?
The fuck would he know?
That's the dumbest fucking thing that Alex Jones has ever done.
It's also immoral.
eddie bravo
No, that's what that guy was saying.
Fuck that guy.
bryan callen
Fuck Steve.
Whatever.
If he said it didn't, fuck him too.
joe rogan
You have to always wonder.
I mean, I'm not making any accusations, but you'd have to always wonder when you hear a story like that.
Why would someone say something so ridiculous and why would someone try to convince someone like Alex Jones?
Of something so ridiculous.
And I think there would be two reasons.
One, to discredit Jones.
If you could talk him into repeating what you said.
If you think he's willing to do that.
bryan callen
That's interesting.
joe rogan
You can easily discredit him.
And it would be a really good way to do it.
Like, the best way to do it.
eddie bravo
You know what I'm saying?
Whether he's right or wrong.
unidentified
But whether he's right or wrong, Dr. Steve Buchanek said it several times on his show.
eddie bravo
But he's not famous.
But for Alex to believe him, it's not that crazy.
He's hearing it from a guy who was in the CIA. It's not that crazy for him to believe in a guy.
He may or may not be right.
bryan callen
But it started with Alex actually saying, he said, unfortunately, he goes, something to the effect of, I saw it, it was very sad, but unfortunately, I've seen a lot of soap operas.
I've seen a lot of...
And I know an actor when I see one.
And that's where it started with him.
joe rogan
Did he really say it that way?
bryan callen
Yes.
And he's being sued by a law firm in Connecticut.
joe rogan
Maybe he could get work in Hollywood.
It seems like he'd be a good acting coach.
brendan schaub
But remember...
joe rogan
If he really knows an actor when he sees it.
brendan schaub
Wasn't he in court?
And they said, basically, what the fuck you're doing?
He goes, listen, I say a lot of things just for entertainment.
bryan callen
Of course.
brendan schaub
Like, it's just for the bullshit.
bryan callen
But during his trial with his wife or something, I don't follow it too much.
brendan schaub
But he did admit, he's like, I don't believe it.
A lot of it I just say.
joe rogan
He's got a business.
Yeah.
bryan callen
Well, the thing about a lot of nutrition people, a lot of these people, is you make money.
You make money in this business, whatever it is.
Whether it's being a political pundit, whether it's being an exercise guy, you make money having answers.
If you're somebody who's more scientific and says, "I don't know, it depends, maybe," When you say bone broth cures cancer, you're going to sell books.
When you say, my plant-based diet is proven to do blah, blah, blah, whatever, you're going to make money.
If you say, I'll help you lose weight and keep it off in four months.
brendan schaub
Take my money.
bryan callen
You're not going to say, hey, I'm a nutritionist guy.
It's going to take you two years.
We're going to try to change life.
You're going to have bounce backs.
You're going to have plateaus.
brendan schaub
See, I'm being realistic.
bryan callen
Yeah, nobody's going to buy that shit.
joe rogan
This Yudong guy has good movement, man.
brendan schaub
So, but with Alex Jones, is he banned for life or does he not have a business?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, I mean, he still has his website.
bryan callen
He's got a big lawsuit he's got to worry about.
brendan schaub
But they got rid of his show, it happened to all the followers and shit.
joe rogan
No, the only thing that happened is they pulled him off of YouTube and they pulled him off of Twitter.
brendan schaub
And iTunes.
bryan callen
And he's got a major lawsuit with a law firm that doesn't Well, there's two guys that are being sued over that.
eddie bravo
Alex Jones and a guy named Wolfgang Helbig.
He's also being sued.
That guy, his job was to prepare schools for school shootings.
So he came out and he started saying that too.
So he's breaking apart Sandy Hook.
brendan schaub
Wait, he started saying that Sandy Hook isn't real?
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's getting sued along with Alex Jones.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
But they didn't show up for, when he went to court, they never showed up, so they dropped the case.
bryan callen
One thing about the law...
eddie bravo
It's kind of weird.
bryan callen
No, they haven't dropped the case against Alex Jones.
brendan schaub
Why would Sandy Hook be fake?
bryan callen
Let's not talk about this stuff.
eddie bravo
Oh, I don't know.
brendan schaub
I find it fascinating.
Why in the world would it be fake, though?
I know you get right up about it.
joe rogan
What's the conspiracy theory?
I have zero, zero thoughts that is fake.
But I do have thoughts on why someone would try to get other people to say it's fake.
And if there's anything that's ever going to convince you that conspiracy theories are stupid...
It's making up a fake conspiracy, an easily provable fake conspiracy about a real tragedy.
That's a nice simple psychological way to discredit people.
If I thought you were a dumbass but you had a big voice, I might talk you into saying some shit.
About something that's not real and have you convinced it's real so you spout it out and you look like a moron.
Right.
And that discredits everything else you say.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
And you have to be really careful with a lot of these stories.
There's a lot of these conspiracy theories that literally start out a joke.
They start out in 4chan and a lot of these chat rooms as trolls and then before you know it it becomes a real thing.
brendan schaub
Because it's said over and over and so on.
joe rogan
It's said over and over again and then morons get a hold of it and they start trying to prove it's true.
Yes.
bryan callen
I don't agree.
brendan schaub
What do you mean smart?
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
You would not say he's a dumb person.
bryan callen
I don't know.
I don't listen to him, so I can't speak on him.
brendan schaub
He's pretty articulate.
He's not stupid.
joe rogan
I'm very sad that he said that Sandy Hook isn't real.
brendan schaub
Me too.
Can't fuck with him.
joe rogan
But I always enjoy being around that guy.
brendan schaub
You would say he's an articulate, smart guy, right?
joe rogan
He's a fun guy, too.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
So, I'm just saying, for him to...
It's not like you can just honeydick him like, dude, Sandy Hook.
It would have to be something, you know?
joe rogan
He loves conspiracies, man.
He really does.
And this is the problem with someone who hunts out conspiracies.
You're going to love them.
You're going to look for them.
bryan callen
It's like numerology in the Bible.
You can find any pattern.
joe rogan
This is the problem is when you have a vested interest in them being real.
brendan schaub
When it's your business.
joe rogan
Because there are a lot of them that are real.
So the problem is if you have a vested interest in them being real and you exclude information that would point to them not being real.
And you use confirmation bias, and you fuck up, and then you try to convince other people that you're correct.
This is something that people will fall into when it comes to conspiracy theories.
brendan schaub
Eddie, I'd love to hear you.
You're super quiet about all this.
But if you're a conspiracy theory, which ones have been proven correct?
Not that many, right?
joe rogan
There's plenty.
brendan schaub
Sure.
joe rogan
There's big ones, like Enron.
You know, there's big ones.
There's big ones.
You know, there's many documentaries and books that have been written on the Enron conspiracy.
These guys got together and they figured out how to make a kajillion dollars and fuck people over.
And it was breaking the law.
And they knew it was breaking the law.
They conspired to do it.
brendan schaub
And bought homes in fullness.
They couldn't take them.
joe rogan
There's wise people to think the 2008 housing crisis, that that was all on purpose.
These guys built this bubble up and sank it.
brendan schaub
Is any of that proven, though?
joe rogan
It's not proven.
It's not proven.
bryan callen
The housing bubble, there have been great books written on the housing bubble.
Michael Lewis' book, The Big Short, is a good book on it.
brendan schaub
Good movie, too.
bryan callen
A couple other books, yeah.
But there's been a lot of research on that.
Too many bankers involved.
brendan schaub
Eddie, is there any proven ones?
You're so polite, journal.
eddie bravo
It all depends on how much circumstantial evidence makes you throw up some red flags.
Like, some people, they just don't see the red flags.
And some people, their red flags go up right away.
So it all depends.
Like, when you say, is there any proof?
Well, you don't need...
At a certain point, when you have circumstantial evidence, at a certain point...
brendan schaub
It adds up.
JFK's pretty suspect.
joe rogan
JFK's suspect as fuck.
eddie bravo
Look, JFK's a perfect example, right?
There's no actual proof of the conspiracy that there was multiple shooters or the CIA and the mob.
There's no actual proof, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.
So it all depends on how much circumstantial evidence do you need for any particular conspiracy theory where you go, oh shit, there's enough circumstantial evidence.
Like if there was a murder, right, and you were being accused and only one person said, you know, I saw Brendan like four blocks away from the restaurant where his friend was killed.
If just that one person saw you, that's one piece of circumstantial evidence.
That's not enough to convict you.
But if a hundred people said they saw you two blocks away in the parking lot, none of it alone, none of it standing alone will put you in jail.
But at a certain point, enough circumstantial evidence will put dudes in jail.
bryan callen
Or if enough people tell the same story about you, like with Cosby.
It was the same story over and over.
It's like, not all these women can't be...
They're all telling the exact same story about the same MOU guy.
brendan schaub
Michael Jackson, too.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, Cosby had gone to court and had a lawsuit sealed and paid her woman off.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
It had already been...
Yeah, he did a deposition.
Yeah, so this was a part of the whole thing, was that he had to come out and, you know, they had to defend that in his most recent trial.
brendan schaub
Bill Clinton, too.
I just got done watching those Monica Lewinsky tapes.
Bill Clinton was a freak.
bryan callen
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
bryan callen
The other problem with someone like Alex Jones who makes a lot of money off his conspiracies and things is that once he says something, I know a pretty good friend of his, Alex, and the problem is once you say something and you have that big of a following, right?
So let's just say you float out of conspiracy, but then you look at evidence and you start to realize, maybe I overstepped my balance.
We all say things we wish we hadn't, or we all say things, but now you've got a whole movement behind what you said.
Now to try to pull back would turn, No matter how outlandish it is.
He's also an entertainer.
joe rogan
It's also this rush to say you know something when you don't know it.
bryan callen
I do it all the time.
joe rogan
There's a rush to say.
There's a rush to say, we absolutely know this happened.
We absolutely know that happened.
brendan schaub
But he's getting it from somewhere, right?
joe rogan
It's good entertainment.
There's something to it.
brendan schaub
Alex is getting it from somewhere.
He has his sources, for sure.
He's probably got multiple sources.
Information on these tragic events or something like that.
Or you don't think so, B? I'm just looking at you, Brandon.
joe rogan
Listen, I think he has some people to tell him.
unidentified
Fucking troublemaker.
No.
brendan schaub
No, I'm not.
bryan callen
Don't take the bait.
unidentified
You know what?
bryan callen
Eddie, he's floating a fucking huge worm out there for you.
unidentified
Hey, listen.
bryan callen
Eddie, stay away from the worm.
eddie bravo
I strategically come on this show and try not to talk about conspiracy theories, but I always get sucked back into them.
I always get sucked back.
bryan callen
He's throwing that worm!
brendan schaub
Look, they're legit questions.
eddie bravo
I don't know shit about conspiracies.
You're asking super crazy legit questions.
You're asking questions that someone with one eye open has.
bryan callen
Don't take the fucking worm, Eddie!
eddie bravo
You're kind of like...
Hey, I didn't bring up conspiracy theories.
I'm not bringing up conspiracy theories.
Let's talk about titties.
joe rogan
Say no more, man.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I was biting my tongue just like...
brendan schaub
But I'm not asking you to go down the crazy, you know, and tell the conspiracy theories.
I'm just saying, how do you get there?
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
You can't help yourself.
unidentified
But he has his black belt in conspiracy theories.
brendan schaub
Brian, you know, he just never...
joe rogan
Brian didn't say that there are no black belts in conspiracy theories.
brendan schaub
Alex Jones says, hold my bear.
eddie bravo
That was quick.
You know what?
brendan schaub
Not the cucks gone.
Where were we?
joe rogan
What is this?
Rafael Dos Anjos, Kamaru Usman.
Ooh, I love this.
Ooh, that's a good fight.
I love this.
brendan schaub
Usman's been gone for a hot second, right?
It was his last one, Damian Maia?
joe rogan
I believe so.
And that was a bad one, man.
I did not like the way they pulled him off of Maia's back.
That made me angry.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Maia had that.
He was standing up, had one lap wrapped around.
joe rogan
The referee separated them, and I was like, what are you doing?
Do you know how hard it is for him to get to that position?
unidentified
Oh, and he's the best grappler on the fucking planet.
brendan schaub
What are you doing?
joe rogan
He's in a really good spot.
He's in a really good spot.
They're both pretty dry.
brendan schaub
Trying to drain his energy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's some bullshit.
joe rogan
It's bullshit.
brendan schaub
Poor Damian Maia.
joe rogan
Well, it's fucked up, man.
It's like, that is fighting.
Okay?
He's fighting right now.
Just because it's not exciting enough.
Give me blood!
unidentified
Give me blood!
Show me blood!
joe rogan
No, they're fighting, you fuck.
This is what they're doing.
People that freak out about it.
Just because it's so exciting when it's good, they want it to be exciting all the time.
But it can't be.
There's going to be fights where, to fight correctly, they have to fight in a way that's not as entertaining.
It's not as entertaining.
But it's the right way to fight.
But you can't not fight the right way.
Exactly.
You can't not fight the right way just because it's more interesting for people that don't understand what's happening.
brendan schaub
No, you become a 500 fighter.
You win one, lose one, win one, punishment.
joe rogan
You should take...
It's just not the way to fight.
brendan schaub
You never get the belt, ever.
joe rogan
Ever.
Or if you do, you don't keep it.
brendan schaub
It's very rare.
joe rogan
Usman's a beast, man.
Super, super strong guy.
Whether it's striking, he's wrestling.
eddie bravo
Is he fighting today?
brendan schaub
No, I wish.
joe rogan
No, he's fighting Dos Anjos, though.
brendan schaub
That's a great fight.
joe rogan
It's heavy, man.
That's a heavy fight.
brendan schaub
Dos Anjos went to 70 and just became a fucking beef.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he didn't look that good against our boy Colby Covington.
brendan schaub
No, Colby put on that pressure, that crazy pace.
joe rogan
Colby beat his ass.
brendan schaub
But now they announce Colby Woodley.
joe rogan
Of course.
You have to have that.
That's the fight.
I know Woodley doesn't want to have it because he's probably angry at the dude.
brendan schaub
Dude, I wish I would have done Colby, Ben Askren.
joe rogan
You're going to see angry Tyron Woodley versus Colby Covington.
That's going to be very interesting.
Angry, I want to fuck you up, Tyron Woodley.
brendan schaub
Woodley's a nightmare.
Nightmare.
joe rogan
Dude, think about the fucking guys he's fought recently, whether it's Darren Till or Thompson.
Both guys known to be really high-level strikers.
He dropped both those guys.
They didn't hit him.
brendan schaub
Damien Maia, perfect game plan.
joe rogan
Thompson tagged him a few times.
He hit him with some decent shots, but not the way Tyron hit him.
Tyron fucked him up in both fights.
brendan schaub
He dropped Thompson in both fights, and then Darren Till, he knocked out.
joe rogan
Well, he dropped him and then he choked him out.
brendan schaub
Fucking rocked him, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he dropped him and then he darced him, remember?
brendan schaub
Yes.
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
And he didn't even know what was coming.
It was so weird.
He probably had been rattled by all those punches and elbows and shit on the ground, too.
And he got dropped by a super clean punch.
Beautiful counter, right?
brendan schaub
Do you know there's a fight for nine weeks in a row?
Which I'm not mad at at all.
joe rogan
Look at this weird...
unidentified
TBD, TBD. Oh, no, because the heavyweights.
brendan schaub
The tough heavyweight final.
I've been watching tough heavyweights.
It's actually not bad.
joe rogan
And a tough woman's featherweight final.
eddie bravo
This is the last tough...
joe rogan
Is tough over?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Apparently it does really well.
brendan schaub
Wait a minute.
eddie bravo
For a second there, they were thinking it was the last season, right?
brendan schaub
Well, when you say really well, Dana said it makes money.
joe rogan
Dana says it does really well.
brendan schaub
No one's watching it.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true.
brendan schaub
How dare you tell me.
joe rogan
Because of those, it's hard to tell when someone just watches something in the moment, right?
Like when they have ratings.
Because almost everybody DVR shit now.
Especially when you talk about cable shows.
This is a fact.
When they're talking about the numbers that they get, that shit is voodoo.
Alright, if you get a number, like say if you put up a YouTube video and it gets a million hits, that's a million hits.
brendan schaub
We know for a fact it's a million.
joe rogan
That's a fact.
That's a million hits.
We don't know how many people it is, because some people will watch it five or six times, but that's still a million.
When they're doing like Nielsen ratings, shit, that's voodoo.
brendan schaub
Dude, low numbers, low numbers, though, son.
joe rogan
It's low.
Yeah, but they don't know.
They don't know what it means.
brendan schaub
Well, now on Thrones, we know that shit is topic.
bryan callen
Now what they do is, because I know this from my show, now what they do is they will do Nielsen, but then They wait.
They look at, like, three days.
Do you watch it in three days?
Do you watch it in seven days?
You know, they have all these different metrics.
joe rogan
And is the metric still coming from them having to fill out forms?
Or is it something more...
bryan callen
No, it's more technologically based now.
But it's still not...
It's not, you know...
brendan schaub
You still deal with the numbers.
joe rogan
You know what's weird?
Netflix doesn't tell you shit.
brendan schaub
I find that so strange.
joe rogan
They don't tell you nothing.
bryan callen
They don't want to give you the power.
brendan schaub
How fucked up is that?
Because if, let's say, 30 million people watch your special, like, hey man, we're just going to run it back the same thing as last year, and you're like, what?
bryan callen
Because you could go and renegotiate.
joe rogan
But they're very generous.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Maybe.
joe rogan
They're very generous.
I'm telling you, they're very generous.
brendan schaub
No, I know they paid you well.
They pay everybody well.
eddie bravo
When did they start allowing nudity on YouTube?
Is that new?
joe rogan
Is that real?
brendan schaub
Watching porn on YouTube?
What are you watching?
Are you talking about RedTube?
You're talking about RedTube.
eddie bravo
No, I'm talking about YouTube.
joe rogan
Motherfucker's watching you porn.
eddie bravo
Type in hot naked chicks.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
You're about to get a virus.
bryan callen
On YouTube?
eddie bravo
On YouTube!
joe rogan
On YouTube!
unidentified
Seriously!
brendan schaub
No way, dude!
eddie bravo
I'm telling you, man.
brendan schaub
You can watch Naked Chicks on YouTube?
eddie bravo
Hey, it's legal now.
joe rogan
Come on.
brendan schaub
I don't think so, Eddie.
joe rogan
Where did you see us?
eddie bravo
The other day, I'm on YouTube.
I'm like, hot naked chicks.
I wanted to see if people...
joe rogan
How much can you see?
Are you saying see bottomless?
eddie bravo
I just tested it out.
I'm like, I wonder if porn is making it onto YouTube.
And I went, hot naked chicks.
And there are videos of naked girls.
bryan callen
I'm doing it right now.
eddie bravo
Seriously.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird that we'll make a distinction between topless or bottomless?
Like, topless, yeah, it's kind of racy, but bottomless, oh God.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're showing pussy.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm with that.
What are you doing?
bryan callen
Is everybody here going to the Tyson Fury fight?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I gotta work.
I'm not...
joe rogan
Is that the one in December 1st?
brendan schaub
In the Staples Center.
Yeah, Staples Center.
Next Saturday.
Tyson Fury fucking Wilder.
joe rogan
I'm gonna watch that from the comfort of my own home, sir.
brendan schaub
That's the way to go in life.
unidentified
Like this.
joe rogan
Feet up.
Feed up, perhaps cocktail.
This is how I'm going to watch it.
And then if I have to poop, I'm going to pause it.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, and I'm not going to look at my phone.
So I'm not going to have any idea what happened.
bryan callen
Let's do it at Joe's house.
brendan schaub
Dude, I'm working.
I'm in New York.
Are you going?
joe rogan
You can come over to my house, Brian.
Can you get me tickets?
brendan schaub
I can get you tickets, I'm sure.
joe rogan
Do you really want to go there in person?
brendan schaub
Brian needs tickets.
bryan callen
I need two tickets.
joe rogan
You really want to go there in person?
bryan callen
Maybe, I don't know.
joe rogan
It seems like a lot of people.
bryan callen
I'd rather watch it on a huge TV action.
joe rogan
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
brendan schaub
That's all I like to do.
eddie bravo
You know what YouTube's doing that's awesome now?
unidentified
What?
eddie bravo
Anytime you punch in, like if you punch in Moonhoax, like if you want to watch a conspiracy theory video on the Moonhoax, they're going to put a link right on, right under it, boom, that takes you to the Wikipedia of the Apollo landings.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's cool.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Dude, you know what?
They're basically debunking the conspiracy theory video right there for you.
bryan callen
I'm watching Hot Naked Chicks on YouTube.
Let's see if it happens.
joe rogan
What do you got?
brendan schaub
Okay, it's just a photo shoot.
eddie bravo
Fast forward a little bit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
Look at that.
unidentified
Did you see that?
eddie bravo
What's that?
brendan schaub
Damn it.
eddie bravo
Did you see that?
brendan schaub
You ain't jacking off to YouTube.
unidentified
Right?
bryan callen
Look at that.
What the hell?
eddie bravo
Well, she's got a bra now, but wait.
bryan callen
I saw tits.
brendan schaub
Just some big ass titties.
bryan callen
Hold on.
brendan schaub
Come on, bro.
bryan callen
Look at that.
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Damn, look at those houses.
unidentified
What the hell?
bryan callen
If men can take their shirts off, why can't women?
joe rogan
I guess they can, dude.
bryan callen
You won't see genitalia, though.
eddie bravo
No, you will.
bryan callen
In San Francisco.
unidentified
You will?
You will.
joe rogan
And he says, just wait a time.
bryan callen
Do you know what the rule is in San Francisco?
eddie bravo
You can walk around.
bryan callen
What?
eddie bravo
Look at that.
You guys didn't know this?
brendan schaub
No, bro.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
You can see naked vaginas.
bryan callen
Yeah, look.
brendan schaub
Get your bush out of my face, bro.
bryan callen
You know in San Francisco you can walk around naked, but you know what the rule is?
If you're a man?
brendan schaub
Can't touch people.
bryan callen
Can't get hard.
Yeah, can't get hard.
brendan schaub
Dude, what if the breeze kicks up?
bryan callen
Hey, bro.
joe rogan
Tough shit.
bryan callen
That's intense or something.
You can be naked, just don't have a hard on.
brendan schaub
Dude, what is this?
joe rogan
This is crazy.
This is weird.
Eddie, how'd you find out about this?
eddie bravo
Dude, I just punched in the other day.
unidentified
You just did it yourself?
eddie bravo
Just going, hmm, let me see what happens.
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
I was just checking.
What'd you do then?
I was just checking it.
bryan callen
Because he's...
Now I'm doing it.
joe rogan
He's a scientist, bro.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
I'm doing research, bro.
unidentified
Research, bro.
brendan schaub
Now what am I doing?
joe rogan
That is crazy.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
No idea.
eddie bravo
And how about them putting the debunker videos on conspiracy?
Like, if you put a punch in Moonhoax right now, right under the video.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
But if I type in Moon Landing, does it send me some hoax, too?
eddie bravo
No, no, it doesn't do that.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
That would be even.
Look at Alistair Overeem.
bryan callen
Uh-oh.
brendan schaub
You know, he changed camps.
joe rogan
Team Elevation, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's Elevation in Denver, Colorado.
Christian Allen, Cody Donovan.
joe rogan
He looks good.
Like, the way he looks physically there, he looks good.
brendan schaub
He does look good.
A lot of heavy wrestling there.
joe rogan
It's so funny.
Even though he looks great, like you look at him right now, you go, damn, he looks great.
The problem with him is you always judge him against what he looked like when he came and he fought Brock.
brendan schaub
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
When he was Uber-eam, when he was the K-1 Grand Prix champion.
brendan schaub
Uber-eam, the best.
joe rogan
Dude, when he was Uber-eam, he was a special thing.
Like, he was a special thing.
brendan schaub
No one wanted to fight him.
unidentified
No!
brendan schaub
Cain beat that guy.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
Cain beat the Uber-eam.
Am I going crazy right now?
joe rogan
Kane?
brendan schaub
Kane beat him.
bryan callen
Did Uber Eam ever fight Bata Hari?
brendan schaub
Am I going fucking nuts?
Or am I thinking of Brock Lesnar?
joe rogan
You're thinking of Brock Lesnar?
Brock Lesnar beat the shit out of him.
Kane didn't fight Uber Eam ever.
brendan schaub
No, he didn't.
He beat Brock.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm thinking of Brock.
joe rogan
Dude, he smashed Brock.
bryan callen
Did he ever fight Bata Hari?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
He did?
joe rogan
He knocked Badr Hari out with a left hook and Badr Hari stopped him in the rematch.
unidentified
Badr Hari, yes.
brendan schaub
Badr Hari stopped him.
joe rogan
Yeah, Badr Hari stopped him in the rematch in the first fight with Badr Hari.
I think the story was that Badr Hari was not training very much.
eddie bravo
Has he retired?
joe rogan
Badr?
No.
brendan schaub
No, he just fought recently.
joe rogan
He fought Rego Berhubin and broke his arm.
eddie bravo
He's not trying to do MMA though, right?
bryan callen
Did he go to jail?
joe rogan
He fought one MMA fight, I believe, Badr Hari did.
brendan schaub
He needs some anger management.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why'd he go to jail?
brendan schaub
For fucking beating the shit out of people?
joe rogan
Putting them hands on motherfuckers.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Badr Hari's so scary.
He's a mean dude.
He's a knockout artist, too.
He's a knockout.
Horrible temper.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Horrible temper.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it pays off in fighting.
He's got some amazing fights on his highlight reel.
brendan schaub
Dude, how about your first fight in the UFC, this Russian dude?
Obviously he's a champ in this Russian organization.
And they're like, hey, you gotta call the UFC. Cool, who am I fighting?
Alistair Overeem.
unidentified
Like, God damn.
bryan callen
Can I ask you a question?
joe rogan
Can I get a warm-up?
bryan callen
How many times has he been knocked out?
joe rogan
150. For real?
bryan callen
Like, this is getting really bad.
brendan schaub
It is and it isn't.
Because he wins and, you know, he's at heavyweight.
bryan callen
That guy used to fight.
joe rogan
But we just accept the fact...
bryan callen
That's that Polish guy, right?
joe rogan
Is that Krzysztof Soszynski?
No, it's John Sharp.
bryan callen
Oh, okay, sorry.
joe rogan
He looks like him, though.
brendan schaub
That's Jeff Munson.
joe rogan
Shazinski, he had fucking tattoos everywhere, still does.
bryan callen
That guy's white as shit.
He's a white guy.
brendan schaub
He's Russian, bro.
bryan callen
Man, he's white.
White that blends with snow.
joe rogan
So when you're looking at Overeem, even though he does look great, you compare his looking great to what he looked like when he was Ubering.
brendan schaub
Dude, he looks fucking good, though.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
He looks great.
brendan schaub
A version of Ubering?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, but if he like...
brendan schaub
No, he used to be a fucking 911 GTS 3RS, and now he's just a regular 911. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.
It's still cool, but...
joe rogan
Now he's like a Carrera.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Targa.
bryan callen
How old is he now?
joe rogan
He's getting up there.
brendan schaub
He's 38?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's getting up there.
bryan callen
God, he's been...
joe rogan
And he's been fighting forever.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Most skilled heavyweight striking in the UFC ever.
bryan callen
Still?
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
He's highly skilled, dude.
Highly skilled.
brendan schaub
K1 champ?
bryan callen
That's what Cowboy Cerrone said.
Sparring with him is such a joy because he's so technical.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can tell.
bryan callen
He's so good.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
Watch out for that.
joe rogan
I mean, he's won more than a share.
He's lost a bunch, too.
But he's one of the best strikers to ever fight in MMA. Ever, man.
bryan callen
I'm going with Pavlovich on this fight.
brendan schaub
I'm taking my over-ring.
eddie bravo
Damn, he's already hurt.
bryan callen
Yeah, he's gonna...
I'm impressed with this strike.
unidentified
What do you think?
eddie bravo
You think he's hurt?
Did that kind of ring his bell?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, I mean, he got hit, but when he's hurt, you know it.
bryan callen
It doesn't take much with the over-ring because he's been hit so many times.
He's been put out so many times.
joe rogan
He's still taking it pretty good, though.
brendan schaub
He's such a technician, man.
joe rogan
He got clipped there.
He just doesn't take shots as well as he did when he was uber-ringing, too, because of the size of his neck.
His neck and his traps.
He used to have these built-in shock absorbers all around his head.
bryan callen
Yeah, isn't Glassjaw Syndrome real, though?
Where your body shuts down?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
It's your brain from so much trauma.
joe rogan
Oh, nasty knee to the body.
brendan schaub
No, we're not doing this anymore.
It's really not your nasty knee to the body.
It's your brain, not your chin.
joe rogan
Alistair's got some fucking knees, man.
Damn.
Definitely the best knees in the heavyweight division.
brendan schaub
He shadowed a dude's skull.
eddie bravo
You hear about that guy that got knocked out?
I don't know how he got knocked out, but it was on the news that he had a severe concussion.
Maybe he was in a coma.
And he wakes up, and he's super smart.
He knows all this...
Like he's a genius now.
bryan callen
That's the guy who got struck by lightning that Oliver Sacks studied.
joe rogan
You guys are thinking of a John Travolta movie.
bryan callen
No, Oliver Sacks studied a guy.
The guy who got struck by lightning who became obsessed with piano and became a concert pianist.
joe rogan
Really?
No, it's a true story.
bryan callen
Oliver Sacks studied it.
brendan schaub
But there's also someone who got fucked either lightning or had a horrible concussion and woke up just fluent in Chinese.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
eddie bravo
Okay, so it happens.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that shit happens.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's one of those things where you hear about it and you go, wait a minute, wait a minute.
brendan schaub
Never met him, though.
joe rogan
I mean, read this story.
brendan schaub
You think it's bullshit?
eddie bravo
You think those stories are bullshit?
joe rogan
I think there's some people that definitely get struck by lightning and then all of a sudden they're good at math.
eddie bravo
What if it's true?
unidentified
What if we find out?
brendan schaub
But they can't speak Chinese.
eddie bravo
What if we find out?
It turns out that the more you get knocked out, the smarter you get.
brendan schaub
That's what happened to me.
unidentified
How could you?
eddie bravo
How cool would kickboxing training be, right?
How cool would kickboxing training be, right?
You go and knock 10 people out.
brendan schaub
People would just rather be stupid.
eddie bravo
But then you'd get to knock people out on a daily basis.
joe rogan
Ground and pound.
brendan schaub
The thing about it, he's been working with Curtis Blade, so I'm assuming he's been working this a shitload.
bryan callen
What I think is really cool is when a mathematician works on a crazy math problem his whole life, it bears no relevance to the physical world, then 100 years later, they're using it to put a rover on Mars or something.
It has relevance 100 years later.
joe rogan
Overeem on top.
Nasty ground and pound, man.
brendan schaub
Dude, that just hit me.
I'm a little high.
Do you remember when...
Do you remember when?
Of course we don't.
Did you see that fucking missionary, the Christian missionary?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Went to that island in India.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
It's still a Satan island.
He's like, no, I'm going to give the word of Jesus.
bryan callen
I love you and Jesus loves you too.
brendan schaub
And they're like, huh?
And then killed him instantly.
bryan callen
I think he got shot through the Bible.
eddie bravo
What a Satan island?
Is that what you said?
brendan schaub
Something like...
joe rogan
Sentinel.
brendan schaub
North Sentinel Island.
joe rogan
North Sentinel Island.
They left Africa 60,000 years ago.
And they would live on this island.
And what's interesting is this guy...
I tweeted it on my page.
There's a guy...
brendan schaub
Oh, Overeem finished him off.
joe rogan
Oh, this fight's over.
brendan schaub
Powerful over.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
Shout out to Overeem.
joe rogan
Fight's over.
Powerful over him.
brendan schaub
I always root for Overeem now.
joe rogan
Look at the back on that motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Still doing it, man.
38. Still doing it.
Right there, too.
One more win and he's a title shot.
He's always that guy.
joe rogan
Well, he's definitely in the hunt for it.
I mean, look, when he fought Stipe, remember when he hurt Stipe?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just as possible that he could have stopped.
brendan schaub
Then he tapped him, remember?
And they're like, Joe, let's bring that up.
Well, maybe not there.
joe rogan
Well, that was when I decided not to interview people that have been KO'd.
It's not fair.
They have a false memory.
He just got knocked out by Stipe Miocic.
brendan schaub
Dude, I wouldn't mind seeing him versus Francis again.
joe rogan
Are you crazy, son?
I don't want to see that again.
I don't want to see anybody get hit like that again.
If I go through the rest of my days...
brendan schaub
What were we talking about?
The Satan guy?
Or the...
eddie bravo
Satan Island.
joe rogan
Oh, Sentinel.
He's doing God's work?
So, here's what's crazy.
They used to be sort of uncontacted, but they got contacted in the 1800s by this guy.
Now this is a guy on Twitter posted this amazing review of all this stuff.
His name is Respectable Law on Twitter.
So he posted this really long, detailed history of what happened to these people on a guy named Maurice Vidal Portman.
And this guy apparently stayed on the island for a long time and people got sick because of these people being there.
They don't have any virus.
They have no immunity.
But he measured their dick sizes, and he measured their ball sizes.
He made them pose in all these weird ways.
It's really freaky shit, but really, really interesting.
He's measuring the children and stuff.
He treated them like moths and stuff, but talked about them in really weird sexual terms.
And this guy...
It was such a bad experience for those people.
brendan schaub
They thought they were the devil.
joe rogan
It was like 100 years ago.
So when people go back now, they immediately kill them.
So because of this one dickwad that landed there 100 years ago, they think of white people as evil.
So these two fishermen fell asleep.
I want to say it was like 2006. They fell asleep and their boat drifted onto the island.
They woke up.
They just fucking hatched them and arrowed them and killed them on the beach.
They don't fuck around anymore.
brendan schaub
Bad luck.
joe rogan
Because of this one asshole.
bryan callen
If you think about it, it's really smart in a fucked up way because if they come into contact with one of us, their entire population could be wiped out because they don't have immunity.
brendan schaub
But they're Satanists, right?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
brendan schaub
Are you sure?
Because that's why homeboy went there.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
bryan callen
He just went there to convert them.
brendan schaub
I heard this from Good Morning America.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, not Satanist.
brendan schaub
Good Morning America said this.
joe rogan
North Sentinel Island.
brendan schaub
Dude, I'm pretty sure the last full Satanist island.
joe rogan
Here's the deal, Brendan.
They don't even know.
bryan callen
Satan is a Western concept, sir.
brendan schaub
They have no idea.
They just hate white people.
joe rogan
Oh, Wu Jing is there.
What?
bryan callen
They don't like foreign people.
Who's Wu Jing?
joe rogan
I don't know.
bryan callen
He's a fire actor.
joe rogan
He has his name up there.
brendan schaub
They just say white people because that one dude came and fucked everything up.
And they're like, you see a white person, kill them.
joe rogan
We don't even know their language.
So to say they're Satanists is crazy.
It's like saying that you understand what they're saying.
brendan schaub
That's the rumor, bro.
unidentified
That's the rumor.
joe rogan
How big is the island?
bryan callen
How big is that island?
eddie bravo
Maybe they have a translator.
joe rogan
Size of Manhattan.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
No, they don't have a translator, Eddie.
They don't even have any contact at all at the outside world.
eddie bravo
That guy was there.
brendan schaub
It's illegal to go there.
joe rogan
No, that guy got killed.
brendan schaub
And he paid illegally to go there.
It's illegal to go to that island.
joe rogan
The fishermen got arrested.
So there was a cargo ship that ran aground there many years ago.
See, there was in 1981. And the crew radioed for assistance.
And then they got 50 men with bows and arrows were showing up to try to get to the boat.
And they helicoptered them away.
The boat is still there.
So this is a crazy ass place, man.
eddie bravo
It sounds like an awesome movie.
joe rogan
I know.
And then from that boat, they started getting metal tools.
Because they didn't have metal before that.
So until the 19...
What is it?
1980?
It was 81, I think.
Yeah.
So now these...
These people took pieces of metal and cold forged them into weapons and shit.
Like, pounded them down with rocks and created knives and stuff.
unidentified
Damn.
eddie bravo
They're so old school.
joe rogan
They're essentially living the same way people lived 60,000 years ago.
They've been on this isolated island ever since then.
brendan schaub
We should just fly over and drop a ton of iPhones everywhere.
joe rogan
The problem is, they don't know how many of them there are anymore, but they know their populations are declining.
So at one point in time, there was 150 plus documented, and now they think it might be as low as 39. Because of disease and stuff, they don't have any fucking medicine.
They're probably bored of each other to stop fucking, you know, trying to get fish.
You don't have time to raise a kid.
bryan callen
Which one are you talking about?
The Sentinelese?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Their populations are drastically dropping.
bryan callen
There's no genetic diversity either.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
Yeah, I mean, with 39 folks, 39 folks is a small number.
Yeah, if they're really down to that few.
And, you know, they're real, real aggressive when anybody comes anywhere near them.
But the thing is, now that we all know about it, I mean, I'm a part of the problem too, right?
We're all talking about this.
Now that we all know about it, more people are going to think about going there.
brendan schaub
You think?
joe rogan
100%.
brendan schaub
I hear that and I say, fuck leaving the United States.
100%.
bryan callen
Where is that place?
joe rogan
India.
It's somewhere off of India.
Bay of Bengal.
Bay of Bengal.
bryan callen
So it doesn't seem that remote if it's in a bay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's pretty far away.
brendan schaub
No, it's far away.
Literally, it's illegal.
joe rogan
It's like in the middle of the ocean.
brendan schaub
So homeboy who's doing God's work was like, no, I can do it.
And even writing his journal is like, man, I hope I don't die.
If I do, my parents don't be mad at me.
I'm headed to this island.
What the fuck were you thinking, man?
joe rogan
Well, he's crazy.
He's trying to convert people.
He thinks people need Jesus.
brendan schaub
They don't speak the same language.
joe rogan
They don't have any idea what he's saying.
brendan schaub
They're like, what?
bryan callen
He's from Oral Roberts.
Graduated from Oral Roberts University, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, see, that's where it is.
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Well, shit.
joe rogan
Way out there.
brendan schaub
Four and a half stars out of five.
joe rogan
Someone's going there.
unidentified
The internet's messing with it.
brendan schaub
Oh, someone's fighting with it?
unidentified
It's the internet.
brendan schaub
3,000 reviews.
joe rogan
The internet's giving it all its reviews.
brendan schaub
The internet's undefeated.
It's like, yeah, go ahead there.
Go ahead, man.
There's a sweet Four Seasons.
joe rogan
They have great food.
It's called human.
They're going to eat you, bitch.
So they killed the guy, and then they buried him right on the beach, man.
They just dragged his body out to the beach.
brendan schaub
And the Indian government said, we're not going to do anything about it.
It was illegal what he did there.
That's all they know.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, I mean, first of all, their law is you can't visit their island.
That's their law.
So he was violating their law.
Him showing up with this book, I would imagine they have laws against people visiting.
brendan schaub
Especially whites.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
That story that they tell about that one English guy that went there.
brendan schaub
What a piece of shit.
He fucked up for everybody.
joe rogan
I hope that guy, Respectable Law on Twitter, understands how much I appreciate that.
brendan schaub
Oh, no, that was cool, yeah.
Because I thought they were all Satanists there.
joe rogan
Spelled it out.
unidentified
You think a group of Navy SEALs could take them all out?
eddie bravo
What?
brendan schaub
Two of them.
With automatic weapons.
eddie bravo
That'd be a pretty cool movie, right?
unidentified
That'd be a cool movie.
brendan schaub
It'd be a cool video game.
eddie bravo
Massacre?
Genocide?
You never know.
I mean, they might have some crazy booby traps.
They might have some Viet Cong shit for us.
joe rogan
Genocide?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
Big goal.
joe rogan
Beautiful vacation spot.
I'm hoping to open a Starbucks and Burger King franchise.
I was working with the locals.
brendan schaub
Went here with my girlfriend for a holiday.
I loved it.
She wasn't impressed.
Very poor choice for a romantic getaway.
Great choice for anyone looking to rough it up a bit.
joe rogan
So silly.
People are so funny.
Well, that island, though, is...
eddie bravo
There's got to be people going.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Fuck no.
Undercover adventures.
joe rogan
There's going to be some dumbasses.
Dan Bilzerian is going to be there next month with a bikini on.
unidentified
Where is it?
brendan schaub
Off the coast of Africa?
joe rogan
He's going to just send a boatload of vape pens.
eddie bravo
And was that off the coast of Africa?
I was taking a piss.
brendan schaub
India.
joe rogan
Off India.
They have drone footage, right?
They came from Africa, though, 60,000 years ago.
brendan schaub
You don't fly drones over that boat.
joe rogan
Closer to Thailand, it looks like.
Closer to Thailand?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
eddie bravo
Pretty amazing stuff.
How do they know that?
How would they figure that out if you're not allowed to go on the island?
If they've been around 60,000 years ago?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know.
eddie bravo
60,000 years ago?
bryan callen
Well, it's like in Papua New Guinea, those tribes have been isolated for 40,000 years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Still...
bryan callen
Yeah, not anymore.
But I mean, when Jared Diamond went and studied them, they'd been isolated for that long.
They practiced weird things too, like widow strangling and all kinds of stuff.
brendan schaub
What do you mean widow strangling?
bryan callen
And that one tribe where the young boys suck the cocks of the older men.
joe rogan
And take it in their ass as well.
bryan callen
And to become men, so they take in the sperm.
brendan schaub
That's just some weird old gay guy who started that.
joe rogan
Exactly.
bryan callen
But if you don't have somebody to compete with those ideas, then that gets passed down as religion.
joe rogan
I gotta piss.
Tell me who wins.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
I've never seen you take a pee break.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's the first time ever.
bryan callen
There you go.
Go on with your little lilac shirt.
Francis Ngannou, boys.
I'm excited about this fight.
brendan schaub
Looks jacked, as always.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's a big fight for him, actually.
Remember, he beat him last time, but he's coming off that steep ass-whooping, and then had the horrible fight against Derrick Lewis, which was like the worst heavyweight fight of all time.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
No one won that fight.
Obviously, Derrick won that fight to the judges.
And then Derrick goes on to fight for...
eddie bravo
This is his first fight since then.
brendan schaub
This is his first fight since Derrick Lewis.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
And I don't like it because obviously he struggles with wrestling.
So like, oh, here's Curtis Blaze, the best wrestler in the top five.
I just don't like it.
I wish they would give him someone else who matched up better.
No matter if he wins or loses, I just don't think it was a great idea.
bryan callen
Is he from Chad?
Where is he from?
Ghana?
Chad?
brendan schaub
Is he from the Congo?
Yeah, Congo.
bryan callen
Are you sure?
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
bryan callen
I thought he was from the West.
brendan schaub
No, I think it's the Congo.
bryan callen
Jamie?
joe rogan
Where in Ghana is from?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Curtis Blaine.
bryan callen
Francis Ngannou.
There's a French name, so it makes sense that he's from the Congo.
brendan schaub
I'm pretty sure it's Congo.
bryan callen
Francis Ngannou.
unidentified
Cameroon?
bryan callen
Cameroon.
Is that where he's from?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Cameroon's one of the last places where there's sort of continuous habitat for different animals.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's coming out to Mortal Kombat.
unidentified
Woo!
brendan schaub
Great tune.
Now they're fighting at 3.30 in the morning, our time.
So it's a bit of a time change.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's a good time.
brendan schaub
Curtis Blades just always fights on foreign land.
joe rogan
When did they get there?
How many days do you need to adjust to that shit?
brendan schaub
They had Thanksgiving over there, so I'm assuming they got...
Well, I'd imagine the UFC flies in on Tuesday like any other fight week, right?
If you want to come early.
joe rogan
It's hard to get used to sleeping over there.
brendan schaub
I can't imagine.
eddie bravo
Can't you start here?
Can't you just try to take naps?
brendan schaub
You can, but the sunset and all that fucks you up.
joe rogan
It fucks you up, man.
bryan callen
The best way they say is to fast for like 16 hours and then eat.
When you get there in the morning, eat a breakfast and just get on the same eating.
brendan schaub
So your body gets used to the eating cycle?
bryan callen
Fasting is really important, apparently.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's what you did over there, right, B? I tried.
Did it work?
You're still tired.
joe rogan
Are you still thinking of moving to China?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
I am.
I'm going to go to Beijing and live in an apartment.
joe rogan
Are you going to be a political dissident?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
I'm going to march in Tiananmen Square.
brendan schaub
When I went to Australia, the time change fucked me up.
I was exhausted.
It'll fuck you up.
Going there, I was fine.
Coming back, I was so fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Isn't that weird that it's going back somehow or another?
brendan schaub
Dude, I was tore up.
joe rogan
You know what?
I need to try taking melatonin when I land, when I need to go to bed that night.
bryan callen
Does it help?
I don't think so.
brendan schaub
I think it helps.
You know what helps me?
CBD oil.
It helps me relax.
I take it in the morning, but especially at night, it helps me relax.
eddie bravo
With THC or without?
brendan schaub
Without.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
The thing that seems to be able to reset my system better than anything is a serious fucking workout.
Like, show up somewhere and do a serious workout.
Like, do you push your cardio, lift some weights, like really get tired.
And that seems to set me up.
bryan callen
I did that in Afghanistan because I was so fucking...
joe rogan
Like I said that.
bryan callen
Afghanistan.
When I was in Afghanistan...
Well, we worked out.
Me and Dove David have worked out like a motherfucker, and I did.
It helped me a lot.
I felt way better.
joe rogan
It puts your cycle back in check.
bryan callen
I was also afraid the whole time.
brendan schaub
Usually on the road, wherever I land, I work out.
Right when I land, I'll work out and I feel better.
Yeah, that's the move.
joe rogan
That's the move.
bryan callen
But there's a new scientific study.
brendan schaub
My brain's crisper.
Everything's better.
bryan callen
This scientific study, I'll find it.
I have to have my phone.
brendan schaub
Yeah, please.
bryan callen
We're fasting for 16 hours is the most important thing you can do.
And then resetting your clock.
brendan schaub
It's a huge time change.
bryan callen
Right.
Resetting your clock with...
However they're eating there.
brendan schaub
Because fuck fasting in New York.
joe rogan
I've heard that you should not eat on planes, too.
I've heard that you're better off just not eating on planes.
brendan schaub
I'm so hungry on planes.
joe rogan
When you land, your body will be better off falling into this new time zone when you land if you just don't eat on the plane.
bryan callen
I don't eat on the plane.
joe rogan
You don't eat on planes ever?
bryan callen
I meditate.
I'm in the lotus position.
brendan schaub
Dude, when they come by with that cart and they get that snack tray, they get nice cheeses and fruits and shit, Pringles.
joe rogan
Sometimes I just want a banana.
brendan schaub
Me too.
Sometimes I just want a pack of Swedish fish.
unidentified
Right?
bryan callen
Ah, banana.
joe rogan
You go with the Swedish fish?
brendan schaub
Oh, dude, I get Swedish fish.
Yeah, and Pringles.
bryan callen
Smoked mackerel?
joe rogan
Oh, the Swedish fish are the little cracker ones.
brendan schaub
No, no.
Sweetest fish are the red candies.
unidentified
Oh, the candies.
joe rogan
You do?
brendan schaub
Sometimes.
If I'm feeling frisky.
joe rogan
Damn.
brendan schaub
Or if I feel like I've earned it.
If I'm coming back from a long freaking couple nights.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
I never feel like I earn those.
Every time I eat those, I feel like a bad boy.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't feel great after.
bryan callen
I flew first class to London, man.
They got food, and I was eating cheeses and wines.
joe rogan
Did you get hammered?
bryan callen
No, but I just kept drinking and eating, and I just felt like, fuck.
brendan schaub
Did you shit on the plane?
bryan callen
Um...
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
You felt terrible when you landed?
bryan callen
I was just one big sodium bomb.
Yes, I'll have more cheese.
Do you have a wheel back there?
Sure.
And I'll eat another ice cream sundae.
I just went a little crazy.
joe rogan
And wine.
bryan callen
Yeah, that fucks me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I find that you do good writing on planes, though.
You get some good ideas out.
Because it's just you alone staring at this.
You're not moving, right?
You're confined to this little seat.
You're not going anywhere.
Sometimes good ideas come when you just sit like that.
It's so easy to just fuck off when you're at home.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
You're writing.
It's so easy to just get...
Let me see what's in the fridge.
Let me go grab a cup of coffee.
bryan callen
I set a timer.
23 minutes.
I don't know why, but 23 minutes and then I can't move.
joe rogan
That's good, man.
I think I just, you know, I just force myself to do it.
The thing is, what's weird about it is, for whatever reason, I resist doing it at first, like, ugh.
But then once I get into it and I catch a groove, I love it.
bryan callen
It's like getting into a cold bath.
Like, at first, your skin's like, fuck, and then you're like, ugh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
I think everything's that way.
I think inspiring yourself to kind of get started and then kind of figure out a way to keep it going.
brendan schaub
Even working out, though.
I did my class this morning, that Box Marine Cardio class.
When we started, I'm like, God damn it, why did I come?
And then halfway through, I'm like, this is great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know what, man?
I fucked myself up with that Sober October fitness challenge thing.
brendan schaub
That's a bad idea, I feel like.
joe rogan
But this is what fucks you up.
Like, afterwards, you're like, regular working out seems boring.
Because everything was just psycho.
Long, intense.
Four hours, five hours a day.
brendan schaub
Plus you were competing against each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, competing against each other.
You'd get anxiety, like, check the app, see where everybody scores at.
Shit.
Yeah.
Fuck.
brendan schaub
You can do that still.
bryan callen
You were competing against Bert Kreischer, Ari Shafir, and Tom Segura.
So let's take it easy.
joe rogan
No, I'm not saying that.
You still...
unidentified
You know what I mean?
bryan callen
Like, my competition.
Those guys.
Bert Kreischer, that fucking workout maniac.
brendan schaub
He could have coast the last three weeks.
bryan callen
That's Rogan's competitiveness.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, man.
brendan schaub
He crushed him.
Let Cam Haynes in that motherfucker.
joe rogan
You would have no chance.
brendan schaub
Let Cam Haynes in me in that bitch.
We should do a real fitness one.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you, even if you're doing it, the thing is, it's about how much time you spend.
It's not even about how hard you're working out.
See, it's like, how much time are you spending at 80% of your max heart rate?
That's really what it's about.
bryan callen
Watch how fast Ngannou is.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Oh, he's terrifying.
brendan schaub
He's laying on his feet, too, right now.
unidentified
Boom!
bryan callen
Oh, my God!
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
He's just so powerful.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Oh, that's it.
That's it.
That's it.
Damn.
bryan callen
He's back.
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
Starched him.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
Nah, dude, you can't.
That was crazy.
brendan schaub
Tad of an early stoppage for me.
joe rogan
Wow.
I don't know.
It looked like it was almost an early stoppage.
brendan schaub
He was working his way back up.
joe rogan
No, that's not what I'm thinking.
I was going to say it looked like it was almost an early stoppage, and then they let it go on, and then it was a decent stoppage.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I agree.
bryan callen
Because that's how you save a fighter.
joe rogan
Didn't it seem like in the beginning that they were going to stop it?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
bryan callen
He got concussed right away.
eddie bravo
He got three chances.
bryan callen
Curtis Blaine is 26 years old.
He's got a lot of fight left in him, so that's a good stoppage for his future.
Oh, he just got caught.
brendan schaub
Literally just got caught.
bryan callen
Good stoppage for his future.
brendan schaub
I think it was the only way he was going to lose this fight was getting caught.
bryan callen
Yep.
brendan schaub
That's what happened.
joe rogan
Listen, the levels of stand-up between them.
Curtis Blades is a good stand-up fighter, but a really good wrestler.
His wrestling stats are some of the best in the heavyweight division ever.
brendan schaub
It's the best as far as successful take.
joe rogan
He clicked on the back of the head with that hammer.
bryan callen
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Boom.
See, right there, it looked like the ref was about to stop it.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
So much power.
He runs over there, and look, he touches him.
He touched him.
You're not supposed to touch him.
brendan schaub
He probably just ran into him on accident.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I thought he was going to stop.
Boom.
And then he decides it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's a dangerous job, man.
bryan callen
Super dangerous.
joe rogan
Did you see that clip from the Muay Thai?
One of the Muay Thai websites has it up there.
Of this referee is stepping in to stop this fight and his head kicked.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I saw it.
joe rogan
He takes a shin right to the dome.
brendan schaub
Gets knocked the fuck out.
joe rogan
Well, he stayed conscious, but he went down.
Looks like he was moving.
But he got head kicked.
bryan callen
That's a dangerous man in the first round.
brendan schaub
Can you imagine me and Curtis Blades right now?
You took the plane for 20 hours to fly over to get knocked down in 45 seconds.
The worst.
bryan callen
Always a possibility with Mgano.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Good for him.
And God will get back on track.
I wasn't crazy about the fight for him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
What did he say about that fight, officially?
brendan schaub
Which one?
eddie bravo
Where he didn't throw any punches.
joe rogan
He said he carried the fear of his last fight.
brendan schaub
His confidence.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He was down.
And then Derrick Lewis was hurt.
So you get a shit show, you know?
It's neither one of those fault.
Derrick was hurt with his back.
Francis had no confidence.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
I mean, it was the squeakiest of squeaky margins for Derek to win because nothing really happened in the fight.
brendan schaub
No one really won.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, we were talking about that fight.
We were like, holy shit, this is going to be bombs away.
brendan schaub
That's why I think most people say it's the worst heavyweight fight because you just thought it was going to be fucking fireworks.
joe rogan
I think I might have even said in the commentary, there's not a doubt in my mind that this is going to be crazy.
brendan schaub
But who wouldn't think that?
That's fair to think with their two fighting styles.
joe rogan
I thought it was going to be chaos.
brendan schaub
I thought it was going to be awesome.
joe rogan
Derek is going to be throwing haymakers, trying to find his chin.
brendan schaub
I'd like to see him go at it again, actually.
joe rogan
Oh, I would love to see that.
eddie bravo
Is Floyd really fighting that one kickboxing?
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Apparently they've agreed to it.
It's real, but it's going to be an exhibition boxing match.
brendan schaub
It's fake.
joe rogan
It's a boxing match.
unidentified
It's fake.
joe rogan
They're probably going to wear big gloves.
eddie bravo
No kicks?
joe rogan
No kicks.
eddie bravo
At all?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Can't have that guy kick.
brendan schaub
Floyd's too smart for that.
joe rogan
Unless the fucking...
The Japanese just say, okay, so we agree.
Kick it, too.
brendan schaub
Unless the accuser goes up to that young kid and go, hey, here, fucking head kick him, KO. We're going to give you $2 million.
joe rogan
Yeah, in the middle of the first round.
brendan schaub
Which would be kind of cool to see.
joe rogan
But they'll rush you through some contract negotiations.
Okay, here we go.
brendan schaub
It was weird because Floyd was like, that was all bullshit.
I never agreed to do this.
Then a week later, he was like, actually, we're going to do it.
joe rogan
Listen, man, Japanese, they do a different kind of business.
They're very clever over there.
You know, the UFC got kind of...
When you look at the sale of Pride, what happened with all that, they did a smart thing, a really smart thing.
One thing, they came over and they pretended they were going to have Pride fighters fight in the UFC, and UFC fighters fight in Pride.
Remember that?
In the early days, the UFC sent Chuck Liddell over there, and they were going to bring fighters over to America, but they never did.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
They never did.
They had to wait until they bought it.
And then when they bought it, they basically just bought a DVD library.
And they spent like $60 million for Pride.
And when they got it, they couldn't even run it.
So then they had these people that were running the office.
And these people running the office, they just went off and made Dream.
They made their own shit.
And so they were like stuck.
brendan schaub
They sold basically a logo and a brand.
joe rogan
They got these contracts.
The contracts weren't even any good.
A lot of the fighters were not bound to them.
Like Fedor.
They didn't have Fedor.
They didn't have a lot of things.
brendan schaub
And they owed a lot of guys money.
joe rogan
And they thought they were going to operate in Japan.
Like, we're going to run Pride, too.
bryan callen
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
That shit.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
No chance, man.
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
But what they did with those smarts is the first thing Pride did was they pumped up their own value by bringing their fighters over here and pretending their fighters are going to fight Chuck Liddell.
Remember they had that crazy stare down way back in the day.
But then they never did.
Everybody's always talking about Pride, but then nothing happened.
But after that, there was a point in time where they did not want Pride mentioned on the air.
brendan schaub
No, they hate him.
joe rogan
They did not want their name mentioned.
How is Bellator to say they fought in Japan?
brendan schaub
The UFC also honey-dicked the WME when they sold theirs.
They went, look, dude, we got Ronda, we got Brock, we got Conor, we're doing all this big shit, man.
And then they sold it for $4 billion, and they're like, alright, Ronda's going to retire, so we can't do nothing about that.
Brock's over in WWE, so we'll figure that out.
joe rogan
Well, the Ronda thing was during the purchase.
They had already purchased it.
That was the last Ronda fight, the comeback fight.
They had already purchased it.
That's also probably why it was marketed the way it was marketed.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
All eggs in.
That was one of the rare times where I... Publicly was like, this is not, you guys aren't doing the right thing.
Because Amanda Nunes is the champion.
She's a world champion.
She stopped Misha Tate.
She strangled her.
Like, you gotta give her respect.
brendan schaub
She's still not as respected as she should be.
joe rogan
But that was a crazy one.
brendan schaub
That was the worst one I've ever seen.
joe rogan
The whole commercial was all Ronda.
brendan schaub
Nothing of Amanda Nunes.
joe rogan
And for a couple seconds, it's like, Amanda doing something real quick, and that's it.
brendan schaub
They sure, like, hid in a bag, but the rest was there.
joe rogan
First ever women's MMA champion that's a lesbian.
First ever UFC gay champion.
bryan callen
With her girlfriend in the corner.
joe rogan
Yeah, who's also a UFC champion.
So first ever gay UFC champion, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And no one talks about it.
eddie bravo
That we know of.
joe rogan
That we know of, right.
I think that's it.
unidentified
That's a good point.
joe rogan
We haven't had women's MMA that long.
For champions?
brendan schaub
Well, you're saying guy or gal.
joe rogan
Girl.
eddie bravo
I'm just trying to be funny.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
I started thinking about what gay champion.
It's like, who could be gay?
joe rogan
But Amanda versus Cyborg is super interesting to me.
bryan callen
Very interesting.
I can't wait.
joe rogan
Super interesting to me.
Cyborg bangs.
Cyborg, she's way bigger.
bryan callen
She's bigger.
eddie bravo
How about Amanda fighting Raquel Pennington and both their girlfriends fighting the UFC too and are in their corners.
unidentified
Crazy.
eddie bravo
That's insane.
Not insane in a bad way.
brendan schaub
It's cool.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
I mean, we've come a long ways.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's different.
It's fascinating to watch the growth.
brendan schaub
JDS coming back?
joe rogan
Yeah, JDS is fighting.
unidentified
Who's he fighting?
brendan schaub
They've both been out of fucking grip.
Kane's coming back, you hear that?
joe rogan
Is that real?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's real.
2019. But when?
joe rogan
Did they have a date?
brendan schaub
No.
Just announced he's back, and DC posted, hey, he said the belt's waiting for a champ.
unidentified
Whoa.
brendan schaub
Yeah, because he's back.
eddie bravo
So what do you guys think of Amanda against Cyborg?
joe rogan
I think Amanda's got to move.
brendan schaub
I think only...
eddie bravo
Does she have a chance?
joe rogan
Sure, she's got a chance.
She's a beast.
brendan schaub
Oh shit, that's a great fight.
Tied to Avasa and JDS. That's a motherfucking fight.
I think only your ass favorite could probably beat Cyborg.
unidentified
There's no girls.
joe rogan
But she's got a chance.
brendan schaub
It's not happening.
joe rogan
She's got a chance.
brendan schaub
Amanda Nunez is probably my favorite female fighter, too.
eddie bravo
What does she walk around at?
What do you think?
brendan schaub
Amanda?
joe rogan
She's probably in the 160s, if I had to guess.
eddie bravo
And what do you think Cyborg walks around at?
brendan schaub
We went through this, right?
She said, like, 80s?
joe rogan
80-something.
brendan schaub
She's down to, you know...
unidentified
She's bigger.
brendan schaub
It does not matter.
joe rogan
She's bigger.
brendan schaub
She's such an animal.
joe rogan
She's so much bigger.
eddie bravo
That's gonna be a crazy fight, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
That's on the same card as Gusvin Jones 2, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
brendan schaub
Gusvin's been on a hot minute.
bryan callen
I can't wait for that fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I know, right?
I think the key to anybody that's going to be able to beat Cyborg is you're going to have to catch her coming in and hurt her.
brendan schaub
No girls beating Cyborg, bro.
No girls beating Cyborg.
unidentified
There's not a girl on this planet that can beat Cyborg in the MMA. What about that one dude that turned into a chick?
brendan schaub
She would get fucking dealt with.
What was her name?
eddie bravo
She got beat by a chick, really?
brendan schaub
Yeah, she lost her last fight.
eddie bravo
Fallon Fox.
unidentified
Ashley Evans-Smith, who's in the UFC, beat her, came to the UFC. Nice.
brendan schaub
Cyborg beat both of them up at the same time now.
I mean, she's such an animal man.
You've seen her spar with dudes and then that Olympian, Clarissa Shields, who's a world champion?
Like, dude, she does not fuck around.
joe rogan
She doesn't fuck around.
And she's way bigger.
brendan schaub
And this is her last fight on her contract, too.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
I mean, I could easily see someone like 1FC grabbing her as well.
Look, they're grabbing a lot of people now.
It's really interesting to me.
brendan schaub
Who else are they grabbing, though?
They have to sign Misha Tate, but that's business.
joe rogan
Well, they got Eddie Alvarez.
He just went over there.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
They got Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson.
He just went over there.
And they're looking to expand their roster.
And I think they're looking to also break into the Western marketplace.
You know, they have that app.
You can get the app and watch the fights on your phone.
brendan schaub
I've only seen highlights at one FC.
I've never seen it.
unidentified
You can watch it for free.
eddie bravo
You get the app and you watch it for free.
bryan callen
How's Bellator doing in comparison to the UFC?
joe rogan
Bellator is not doing as well as the UFC, but they're doing well.
brendan schaub
They're doing well.
joe rogan
They're on the Paramount Network.
They get pretty good ratings.
brendan schaub
They're developing stars.
They're also with Roy McDonald, Gegard Mousasi.
Then with the heavyweight with Bader, Fedor.
The heavyweight tournament was sick.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
They're doing well.
eddie bravo
What do you think about Oscar De La Hoya promoting MMI? Complete shit show.
unidentified
Not this one.
bryan callen
Not this one.
Did you see the last one he did?
brendan schaub
Did you see him at the press conference?
eddie bravo
Hey, I want to see Chuck and Tito.
brendan schaub
No, no.
It's not a shit show because it's Chuck and Tito.
Did you see Oscar De La Hoya at the press conference?
He's like, you got Chuck Liddell's name wrong.
And then you have these other guys.
eddie bravo
How did he say Chuck Liddell?
brendan schaub
I forget it.
bryan callen
Lydell.
eddie bravo
Everyone used to say Chuck Lydell.
brendan schaub
At first, right?
joe rogan
I used to say it.
unidentified
I used to say it.
eddie bravo
At first, that's what you said.
bryan callen
He just didn't know any of the fighters.
He didn't know any of the fighters.
brendan schaub
It's our first one.
You give him a little bit of that.
eddie bravo
And what else did he say?
brendan schaub
He goes, and then we have other fights, too.
These guys behind me, I don't know their names, but I'm not going to remember their names.
eddie bravo
No way.
brendan schaub
He said that?
Yeah, it's just dead silence.
He's like, you know, when you think of MMA, when you think of fighters at all, you just think of these two.
There's no one else.
joe rogan
That is the dumbest way to promote a fight.
It was so bad.
You gotta realize, Oscar's had, you know, how many professional fights?
unidentified
A lot.
brendan schaub
And he snorts all the cocaine?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does he do all of it?
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Watch this press conference.
He's all, and, uh...
He's like, whoa, it's freezing in here.
eddie bravo
I mean, is that a fact or a conspiracy theory?
joe rogan
I don't think Oscar's love...
brendan schaub
No, he's admitted.
He came on air as a dad of abuse prom.
bryan callen
It's pretty.
brendan schaub
I like devil's dandruff.
joe rogan
I don't think his love is...
eddie bravo
Devil's dandruff?
joe rogan
I don't think his love is MMA. No.
His love is boxing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just, you know, he's doing this because it's a good money-making venture.
bryan callen
One of the greatest boxers ever.
brendan schaub
You know what I hope it does well?
Because Tito and Chuck will get benefit the most from it for money.
So I want people to buy it because of that reason.
eddie bravo
Is MC Hammer still in the game?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
No?
brendan schaub
You know he was my manager.
eddie bravo
What?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Holy shit, you hung out with him?
brendan schaub
No, yeah.
unidentified
Damn!
brendan schaub
Dean Hammer, long talks, great dude, smart dude.
eddie bravo
What happened?
Why did he get out of MMA? Because it's bullshit.
brendan schaub
You know, he was like, wow, I like money.
Fuck this sport.
eddie bravo
That's hilarious.
Well, how else is he making money?
brendan schaub
Dude, he's one of the first investors in Facebook.
bryan callen
Twitter too, right?
eddie bravo
So he's filthy rich.
bryan callen
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Okay.
And I remember he goes, well, there's a difference between being bankrupt and being MC Hammer bankrupt.
He goes, I wasn't like poor.
See, I was still balling.
Yeah.
bryan callen
He still had like $12 million.
brendan schaub
Smart dude, man.
bryan callen
I'm sure.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about before this?
brendan schaub
Before MC Hammer?
bryan callen
Amanda Nunez and Chris Hammer?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
That was way longer.
brendan schaub
Devil Island?
If you're white, you can't go to the island anymore?
I'm lost.
joe rogan
I'm completely lost.
How did we get to MC Hammer?
brendan schaub
We're talking about...
bryan callen
Fight promoting?
brendan schaub
Oh, that's right.
Oh, 1FC. I've never watched one.
joe rogan
The Oscar De La Hoya thing.
Oh, Oscar De La Hoya.
Look, I hope they all do good.
You definitely need more competition.
There's more fighters than there are fights.
The hard thing, though, is that the UFC is like Q-tips.
It's like when you think you don't want cotton swabs, give me some fucking Q-tips.
They've got the market.
bryan callen
For now, but there's always...
brendan schaub
I don't know if there is!
joe rogan
It's such a part of the cultural landscape.
brendan schaub
Some people go, do you UFC? How fucking dare you?
joe rogan
I would hope that they would get to the point, this is my goal, my hope, is that a lot of organizations are like a lot of these boxing organizations.
When you look at world champions like Deontay Wilder is about to fight Tyson Fury, you can have guys that have different promoters.
And they work together some sort of a deal, and then they put together the fights.
That's better for the fighters if the fights get, and the fighters and other organizations get as popular as, you know, it's like Manny Pacquiao fighting Floyd Mayweather.
They have to have these promoters figure out how to put that fight together.
brendan schaub
That's better for the sport.
joe rogan
It's better for everybody.
brendan schaub
Because when Ben Askren is whooping ass over in 1FC, wouldn't you love if he just fought the champion of the UFC, or if Bellator is champion, like Gegard Mousasi fighting Woodley right now, or fighting Whitaker, I'd love to see that.
joe rogan
So you're the absolute champ.
They're going to be very happy that they signed Ben Askren.
It's going to be fun.
He's smart.
He talks a lot of shit.
And it took forever to get him over here.
And a lot of people are in deep shit.
They're in deep shit.
brendan schaub
Super deep shit.
joe rogan
He's going to grab ahold of them and wrestle fuck them to the ground and punch their face in.
brendan schaub
Yes, we get through Robbie Lawler, yeah.
joe rogan
There's not going to be much they're going to be able to do to him.
A lot of people are going to be in real trouble.
brendan schaub
And he's a star, man.
Like, you look at the...
He goes anywhere.
They're cheering for him.
The interviews.
The scrum for him.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, man, people have seen interviews online.
They've seen the podcast that I did with them.
They've seen all of his fights.
You know, if you watch highlight reels, you can see all of his fights.
brendan schaub
You and I jack him off every show we get.
joe rogan
Every show.
And then the UFC, or in 1FC, they allowed him to knee to the head on the ground, too.
brendan schaub
You get side control and you get the fuck out of your head.
joe rogan
It's a nightmare, man.
It's a nightmare.
You can also get north-south.
North-south knees to the head.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Oh, my God.
You can fuck somebody up with that.
bryan callen
This is FS1? Yeah, man.
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Don't say FS1. One FC. Oh, one FC. I know what you meant.
Fox Sports 1 as a channel.
bryan callen
One FC I meant.
joe rogan
But to be able to do that, to be able to land knees to the head on the ground like that, it's a giant advantage for a wrestler.
Giant advantage.
And to take it away from them, you limit what is really good about being on top.
What's really good about being on top is you could smash them anywhere.
It's kind of weird.
bryan callen
Those knees.
brendan schaub
Did you hear the rumor about Cowboy Conor?
joe rogan
I did.
brendan schaub
That could be a sick fight.
I hope Cowboy gets that fight.
joe rogan
I think that's a possibility.
I think that's a money-making fight.
brendan schaub
It makes sense for both guys, especially for Conor.
I know Conor wants the Khabib rematch, but it's like, dude, let's get one and then go back that way.
But you gotta win.
joe rogan
Really interesting.
brendan schaub
I'm not saying Cowboy's an easy fight, but it's a better matchup than Khabib or Tony.
And then Tony-Khabib fight.
joe rogan
It's going to be interesting to see what kind of shit-talking...
Because Cowboy did not have a good time with the shit-talking of Nate Diaz.
He got on his hat.
bryan callen
Or Jorge Masvidal.
He doesn't like that shit-talking.
joe rogan
Doesn't like that shit-talking.
brendan schaub
Oh, and Conor goes, you guys did that?
Watch this.
bryan callen
He's going to ramp it up to 11. I think Cowboy, if he grabs a hold of Conor and takes him to the ground, Conor's in a world of shit, too.
Because Cowboy's a hell of a wrestler.
joe rogan
He's a hell of a striker, too, man.
It's a different world.
brendan schaub
It's not an easy fight.
As far as the odds, I'm assuming Conor'd barely be a favorite.
bryan callen
It'll be 155?
joe rogan
155. Look, Conor's...
The speed that he has, the one-shot KO power.
Conor can do some shit to motherfuckers.
And when you see him fight Eddie Alvarez, that's when you really realize it.
Eddie Alvarez is tough as fuck.
And Conor just put it on him.
He can fuck people up.
bryan callen
Although Cowboy put it on Eddie, too.
joe rogan
He did.
But he didn't do it the same way Conor did.
brendan schaub
No, not like Conor.
joe rogan
He beat his legs up.
brendan schaub
He beat his legs up.
He got hit with some shots.
Conor dismantled Eddie.
bryan callen
Eddie hit Conboy with some shots.
I think that also is a little misleading because I feel like a lot of that, again, was because Conor got into Eddie's head.
But Eddie's better than that.
joe rogan
Look at that shit.
brendan schaub
Eddie's been doing a long time.
joe rogan
Conor McGregor is a two-to-one favorite.
bryan callen
That doesn't make any sense to me.
joe rogan
Well, it does make sense.
bryan callen
He's not as good a wrestler.
brendan schaub
Well, it makes sense because you're going based off how Cowboy won his last fight.
Cowboy's fallen some tough times.
I love Cowboy more than anyone in this room, but Cowboy's fallen some tough times.
bryan callen
He's got the most winning record in UFC history, too, I believe, so I'm also going by that.
And he also looks fucking good lately.
joe rogan
Well, he looked fantastic against Mike Perry.
He looked amazing.
brendan schaub
Mike Perry's a far cry from Conor McGregor.
bryan callen
He's a big difference in movement.
joe rogan
But look, I like the fight.
brendan schaub
Overall fighter.
joe rogan
I like the fight a lot.
And I do agree that if Cowboy gets a hold of anybody on the ground, he's got crazy ground skills.
brendan schaub
Cowboy's leg kicks.
Hold on, but Cowboy's better off his back.
If Conor were to take him down, he would be screwed.
Cowboy on top's not a technician on top.
eddie bravo
No, I disagree.
brendan schaub
You think he's a technician on top?
bryan callen
Cowboy's on his back.
brendan schaub
Cowboy from his back is very good.
joe rogan
He's good everywhere.
eddie bravo
He's special off his back.
Yes, yes, but...
joe rogan
He'll fuck you up from the top, too.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's got great talking.
brendan schaub
Most of his missions are from his back.
joe rogan
That's true, because he throws a lot of kicks, and guys take him down, and he just snatches shit up really quick.
brendan schaub
That's where he's super special off his back.
joe rogan
But he's very underrated as a grappler.
And you saw him when he reversed Mike Perry.
bryan callen
Fucking amazing.
joe rogan
And then he fucked his arm up.
brendan schaub
How about Mike Perry?
He left Jackson's.
He's like, dude, I felt like I didn't want to be part of this.
I came there to train, and all of a sudden I got put in the middle of this drama.
joe rogan
He left?
brendan schaub
He left.
Oh, wow.
He's no longer there.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
brendan schaub
He looked great, too.
I thought he looked good.
Obviously, he had the hiccup of taking Cowboy down, but I thought Perry looked pretty fucking good, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, Perry did look very good.
brendan schaub
He's been looking better and better, but he just fucked up and took him down.
joe rogan
That fight was just, Cowboy had his number.
Cowboy sparred with him who knows how many times over at Jackson's.
Yeah, and in the grappling, apparently, Cowboy dominated him.
brendan schaub
But I guess Perry said in their training camp, he was taking so many guys down, it was almost like a natural reaction for him.
He goes, dude, I just...
Part of the fight.
She took him down.
Didn't even think about it because that's what I was doing in camp.
And then Winkle John goes, that was not part of the plan.
We did not want to take Cowboy down.
joe rogan
So where's he going to go now?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
He was ATT before, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't know.
But for him, he's getting so much better if he just stays consistent and gets with a legit camp.
joe rogan
Maybe get his ass up to TriStar.
We're A.K.A. Something about going to Montreal is sexy.
bryan callen
Montreal is so cold.
joe rogan
So cold.
brendan schaub
The coldest I've ever been.
joe rogan
Plus you're in another country.
brendan schaub
It's so far.
joe rogan
You've got to also just really super concentrate on what you're doing because it's all you're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I like it.
bryan callen
It's a beautiful city, though.
It's a great city.
brendan schaub
Montreal has some of the best strip clubs in the world.
And women.
bryan callen
I love that city.
brendan schaub
And food.
bryan callen
I can live there.
brendan schaub
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
bryan callen
It's amazing.
joe rogan
I cannot live there.
You've got to be with one of the wizards.
There's many great wizards of MMA. But to really maximize your potential, you've got to be with someone who can put it all together.
And you can pick your favorite wizards, but one of my favorite wizards for sure is Farras.
I think he's one of the best.
bryan callen
How about Matt Hume?
joe rogan
One of the best.
One of the best, for sure.
bryan callen
Matt Hume's the best.
joe rogan
Matt Hume does not have very many high-level guys.
I mean, he did work with Maurice, though.
Yeah, he's in Seattle, right?
Yes, he's in AMC Pancration.
But he was a great fighter himself, just great knowledge of the game.
But proof of what he did with Mighty Mouse and the way they talk to each other in the corner, and you realize there's a system they're operating under.
And they're like, this is very high level, very technical, very sophisticated.
They're staying one step ahead of everything.
brendan schaub
But sometimes that works for Demetrius.
Demetrius is a very cerebral, smart fighter.
So that doesn't Mike Perry's going to be able to plug in and work.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
brendan schaub
I think Mike Perry would do great somewhere like with a Jason Perillo in San Diego.
That could be fucking a dope connection for him.
He has to find that right coach.
joe rogan
Alliance San Diego would be great, too.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I feel like that'd be good for him down there.
joe rogan
There's always good spots, man.
But I think that having a fresh look is not the worst thing in the world.
brendan schaub
You can't have too many fresh looks, though.
You've got to put your roots somewhere.
joe rogan
Where's Frank Edgar learn his boxing from?
brendan schaub
Frank Edgar?
Mark Henry?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Wow.
brendan schaub
Phenomenal coach.
One of the masterminds.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's one of the masters.
brendan schaub
He works in Barboza, Frank Yeager, Eddie Alvarez.
joe rogan
Also owns a pizza place.
unidentified
Yeah?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's my guy.
bryan callen
That was his pizza place?
You said it was really good.
brendan schaub
The best.
bryan callen
You actually sent me a text after you ate that pizza and you go, I ate the best, because we always talk about Jelena's pizza.
He goes, I ate the best pizza in the world, bro.
I was like, well, that's a random text, but I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
It's a different pizza.
I hate being that guy, but bagels and pizza are different over there.
bryan callen
Different water, they say, right?
It's not just that.
joe rogan
I think it's different.
It's a different moisture in the air.
brendan schaub
Dude, I've been good on my diet.
I've been so good on my diet.
You know, losing weight from my special.
But I've been good on my diet.
joe rogan
Trying to get a swim?
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah.
Trying to get a swim from the special.
You know, just fasting and extra cardio.
joe rogan
How many hours of fasting?
brendan schaub
Man, I wake up at 6, and then I quit eating at 6 p.m.
at night, so 6 to 6, and then I don't eat until usually 10 or 11 in the afternoon.
Wow.
But anyways, so I've been good on my diet, but I go to New York next week, an artichoke pizza, or King's Pizza, I think it's called King Street, I just can't turn it down.
joe rogan
Artichoke pizza is your shit?
brendan schaub
No, the company's called artichoke.
I fucking hate artichoke.
The white pizza, the white sauce is bullshit.
joe rogan
You don't like that stuff?
brendan schaub
Fuck no.
I gotta have red sauce, man.
But artichoke pizza in New York, my mouth's watering, bro.
joe rogan
There's some places that have good white pizza.
I didn't experience good white pizza until I had it at Nicky's in White Plains.
Mickey's Pizzeria in White Plains, New York.
Right down the street from Executive Billiards.
They had white pizza that would knock your dick right in the dirt.
It had melted butter and garlic on it and ham and shit.
And you'd bite anything and you'd be like, holy fuck.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's where a lot of Italians were in White Plains.
I mean, hey, is White Castle too?
No.
joe rogan
Listen, it's not my favorite.
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
Is White Castle still around?
Remember White Castle?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
The small burgers?
joe rogan
Those little burgers?
brendan schaub
From 1940?
joe rogan
They make a vegan one, bro.
They make a vegan one.
brendan schaub
White Castle?
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
Is there a Burger King around here?
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
Is White Castle still going on?
I'm pretty sure White Castle, for all our vegan friends, they make a vegan burger now.
White Castle does.
It's about time!
That's literally like buying a vitamin from a poison factory.
brendan schaub
It's a bad idea.
joe rogan
Do you sell vitamins too?
Yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
Bad idea.
joe rogan
If you're a vegan and you're buying vegan burgers from a company that slaughters millions of animals a year.
Impossible burger.
Impossible burger.
You feel better?
bryan callen
Well, how about Taco Bell?
Taco Bell puts essentially sand in...
Well, sodium bicarbonate.
joe rogan
Wait, bro.
bryan callen
Hey.
No, silicon bicarbonate.
They call it silicon.
So they're beef filling.
They're not allowed to call it beef filling.
They have to call it taco filling because...
brendan schaub
It's not beef?
bryan callen
The beef has silicon in it to make it fuller and more...
Look it up.
brendan schaub
That shit is...
joe rogan
Come on.
unidentified
That shit is...
It's delicious.
bryan callen
Look up what's in Taco Bell.
eddie bravo
How would you doubt that?
How would you need evidence for that?
It's Taco Bell.
You can't defend Taco Bell.
bryan callen
Talk about it.
That's a conspiracy theory.
unidentified
I believe it.
brendan schaub
Dude, a double-decker taco.
I don't give a fuck why they put in that bitch.
Is there a YouTube link on it?
bryan callen
Yeah, dude.
Bro, look at the...
eddie bravo
There's no YouTube link.
It's not real.
brendan schaub
Is Callan true on it?
Where'd you hear this, Callan?
bryan callen
Watch this, watch this.
brendan schaub
Where do you hear news from?
joe rogan
This is dark.
bryan callen
This is dark.
eddie bravo
Hey, Brian, I believe you.
We're talking about Taco Bell.
joe rogan
Here's the ingredients.
It's not in there.
Isolated oat products, salt, chili pepper, onion powder, tomato powder.
bryan callen
Silicon dioxide.
Anti-caking agent.
Now look that up.
joe rogan
Silicon dioxide anti-caking agent.
How about that?
eddie bravo
You guys love Taco Bell.
joe rogan
What does it say?
Anti-caking agent to avoid clumping and supplements.
It's used to prevent the various powdered ingredients from sticking together as many food additives.
Consumers often have concerns about silicon dioxide as an additive.
Is it safe?
Is it cancerous?
unidentified
Look at that.
bryan callen
That's sand.
See that?
That's what they put in there.
joe rogan
Also frequently found in health food nutritional supplements as an additive silicon dioxide.
Primarily functions as an anti-caking agent which prevents ingredients from binding together.
But it doesn't say if it's cancerous.
unidentified
Dude, if you eat it every now and then, you're moving carcinogen.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Proven carcinogen.
It's a McDonald's answer.
unidentified
It's in their buns.
joe rogan
It says, Silicon dioxide is a proven carcinogen.
Why does McDonald's opt to use this in buns, potentially hurting human health?
bryan callen
Trace mineral.
joe rogan
Silicon is categorized as a trace mineral, Ben, which means that it's needed in minimal amounts to maintain health as it's That's its requirement.
It's very small.
It's recommended daily allowance for silicon has not been specified because it's not food.
Duh.
However, experts suggest that a daily consumption in the range of 20-30 milligrams is needed to stay healthy.
eddie bravo
Who wrote that?
Is that McDonald's writing this?
Who's writing this?
joe rogan
Is this McDonald's writing this?
It's called Your Questions.
bryan callen
I guess it is just a trace mineral, maybe.
joe rogan
But maybe it is.
eddie bravo
If McDonald's is saying it, then for sure.
bryan callen
But you know that food has a slimy thing on it?
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
If they can't really say all this, if it's not true, if they do, they get in deep shit.
So it might be real that silicon is a trace mineral.
It's an important part of our own feed.
But also, you're putting dirt in your burgers, bro.
bryan callen
It's also food grade, so maybe it's different.
joe rogan
But even so, it's like, why is it in there, though?
Even if you're saying it's okay to eat.
eddie bravo
So it doesn't cake up.
bryan callen
Didn't you read that?
eddie bravo
They need it.
bryan callen
You can't have a cake.
joe rogan
It's filler, man.
brendan schaub
36% beef.
joe rogan
It's only 36% beef in Taco Bell.
brendan schaub
The other 64% is a wide range of fillers, extended preservatives.
unidentified
Cocoa powder.
joe rogan
36% beef, 64% is made with fillers, extenders, and preservatives.
brendan schaub
Don't we all know this, though?
Didn't we kind of know this?
I didn't know it was that much.
This is 100% beef.
Ever.
That shit is delicious.
bryan callen
One of those cows killed.
elijah schaffer
Did you really think it was 64% fillers?
brendan schaub
I don't think.
When I eat that, I'm like, listen, man, this isn't going to be good.
I'm going to shit my pants, but I love their fucking tostadas.
eddie bravo
Have you heard that conspiracy theory that McDonald's, you know, it says 100% beef, that that's an actual trademark name, 100% beef?
unidentified
Yes.
eddie bravo
Is that for real?
joe rogan
I don't think they can say that.
I think they can get sued for that.
eddie bravo
The name of their beef is called 100% Beef.
brendan schaub
So they named their beef 100% Beef, even though it's 40%.
eddie bravo
That's the conspiracy theory.
I don't even know if that's true.
joe rogan
Is McDonald's the same as Taco Bell in terms of what percentage of it is actually beef if you buy a beef burger?
brendan schaub
Look up their chicken nuggets.
bryan callen
The one thing that's really weird about that...
The one thing that's fucked up about the beef that you get in hamburger from McDonald's is those cows can come from 10 different parts of the globe.
So you're eating the cows from China, Argentina, United States, and all those cows are killed there.
eddie bravo
They all taste the same.
unidentified
Who gives a fuck?
bryan callen
It's all been killed and then it's brought together.
joe rogan
I like one cow, bro.
unidentified
Well, I don't give a fuck.
bryan callen
My burger has come from, I have to know cow's name.
I have to raise it.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you, I think the healthiest thing for you at McDonald's is the McFlirt.
joe rogan
It's not true.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
Filet-O-Fish is made from real fish.
joe rogan
Jamie just pulled up.
eddie bravo
Filet-O-Fish is awesome.
brendan schaub
Have you had a McRib?
Those are real ribs.
unidentified
You sure?
You know they take meat and form it as a fucking rib?
bryan callen
Is that true?
joe rogan
Let's read the McDonald's thing.
The McDonald's thing is not true.
eddie bravo
I love the fish, though.
joe rogan
Make that larger, please.
brendan schaub
I want a fish sandwich.
It's not true, Eddie.
joe rogan
Well, smaller again, so it fits the screen.
There you go.
Well, this is a fascinating premise.
There is nothing to it.
McDonald's hamburger patties in the U.S. are made with 100% USDA inspected beef.
They are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper, and nothing else.
No preservatives, no fillers.
bryan callen
All right.
eddie bravo
Debunked.
brendan schaub
So it's pretty healthy.
unidentified
Debunked.
joe rogan
How is that possible?
unidentified
Wait, what does it say?
eddie bravo
What does the top of that say?
What is the title of it?
Are McDonald's hamburgers 100% beef?
brendan schaub
Dude, why doesn't Taco Bell get on that train?
They're just like, nah, fuck it.
joe rogan
They're like, fuck it.
brendan schaub
Fuck it, bro.
You know it's shitty for you.
joe rogan
They're way worse than McDonald's then.
eddie bravo
Wait, McDonald's buys their meat from a company called 100% beef.
unidentified
That's not true.
eddie bravo
That's not true.
joe rogan
That's what it's saying.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's the conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
Okay.
Balls.
So it's saying it's false.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
Look, man, you could probably get beef pretty goddamn cheap if you do it that way and just grind it all down.
brendan schaub
I still like Del Taco myself.
joe rogan
All that stuff is so gross.
But if you go to a real taco spot...
brendan schaub
Bro, me and you have a legit McDonald's breakfast together.
eddie bravo
I love McDonald's, man.
joe rogan
I will fuck up an Egg McMuffin.
We'll fuck up an Egg McMuffin.
brendan schaub
How about that McGriddle?
eddie bravo
The sausage McGriddle?
joe rogan
You don't think it's an egg?
eddie bravo
That shit's so good.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
If you get Egg McMuffin with ham, they really can't fuck with that.
brendan schaub
That egg's suspect.
joe rogan
If you get that sausage, who knows what's in that shit, son.
But if you get that ham...
unidentified
How about the bread that they soak in syrup?
bryan callen
No, the eggs actually, lately they...
joe rogan
It's the only thing that they make there.
What?
unidentified
The egg.
bryan callen
McDonald's said that the chickens and eggs they use now, they don't have, I think, they don't use antibiotics?
brendan schaub
They don't have beaks.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Containing eggs that are freshly cracked in McDonald's restaurants.
The rest of the chain's egg items, such as scrambled eggs and egg whites, are made from liquid eggs.
So that's where you go.
You go with the regular egg McMuffins.
brendan schaub
Who doesn't get an egg on their egg McMuffin?
Who just gets the sausage patty?
joe rogan
Well, the sausage patties, you don't know what you're getting with that.
brendan schaub
Tastes good, though.
joe rogan
Those sausage patties are quite tasty.
unidentified
They're so nice.
bryan callen
They have scientists and they're working on taste, for real.
joe rogan
They do a good job.
brendan schaub
And it works.
joe rogan
They do a good job.
eddie bravo
The bread's soaked in syrup.
What about that?
brendan schaub
You're talking about the McGriddle.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
The McGriddle is basically candy.
eddie bravo
It's brilliant.
joe rogan
It's candy with me.
eddie bravo
That and a Filet-O-Fish.
joe rogan
It's very good.
I like it.
I feel good when I eat it.
brendan schaub
Eddie, who the fuck orders a Filet-O-Fish?
eddie bravo
Dude, Filet-O-Fish.
joe rogan
I love Filet-O-Fish.
brendan schaub
I've never had one.
You're the first person I've ever talked about it.
eddie bravo
That's my dessert.
Now I love that shit.
bryan callen
I love Filet-O-Fish, too.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
They're very good.
They're good in that tartar sauce.
bryan callen
I still think the best hamburgers are In-N-Out.
In-N-Out are the best hamburgers, right?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Five Guys is pretty goddamn good, too.
bryan callen
Never had Five Guys.
joe rogan
Five Guys with sliced jalapenos.
bryan callen
Dude, I'll tell you, Shake Shack is very fucking good.
brendan schaub
Shake Shack's delicious.
joe rogan
You know who shits on all these?
Dude, Chick-fil-A. You can't combine.
brendan schaub
Chick-fil-A does it fucking right.
Can't over to half a Sunday.
No, fuck a beef.
eddie bravo
It's all chicken.
brendan schaub
Just a chicken sandwich is the best.
bryan callen
What's that?
Which one?
brendan schaub
Chick-fil-A. It's good.
bryan callen
Very good.
joe rogan
It's good.
brendan schaub
Just good?
unidentified
Yeah, it's pretty good.
bryan callen
Chick-fil-A is delicious.
They made their name off that goddamn sandwich.
And I'll tell you something else because they got pickles and stuff.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
bryan callen
Now, Shake Shack, that jalapeno, smoked jalapeno bacon burger, get the fuck out of here right now.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you what, for my cold hard-earned cash...
I just get a Whopper with cheese ketchup only from Burger King.
eddie bravo
I can't fuck with Burger King.
bryan callen
Cheap beef, cheap shit.
joe rogan
You can't fuck with it?
Can't fuck with Burger King.
eddie bravo
I have to be fucking super hungry in the middle of the desert, you know, on the way to Fresno for me to fuck with Burger King.
I gotta be desperate.
joe rogan
Dude, shh!
bryan callen
Stupid wooden king that they have.
That's a dumb ad.
eddie bravo
Wendy's is different though.
I'm down with Wendy's.
I love Wendy's.
I love their fries.
joe rogan
Wendy's on another level.
eddie bravo
Oh yeah.
brendan schaub
See, I'm a big Burger King guy.
Shout out to Burger King.
When I'm done with a show and there's nothing else open, I'll go to Burger King and go, you know what?
Give me two fucking Whoppers ketchup only.
bryan callen
Over Mickey D's?
brendan schaub
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
You know what?
With Wendy's, their beef is never frozen.
That's how they get you.
brendan schaub
But they're in squares, so I judge them.
joe rogan
I don't mind squares.
bryan callen
I worked at McDonald's for three weeks when I was a 17-year-old.
brendan schaub
I bet you were terrible at it.
bryan callen
We dropped the burgers and put them back on the grill.
joe rogan
Oh, son of a bitch.
You're ruining people's food.
brendan schaub
It's fucked up.
bryan callen
When we were younger, we did it by accident.
I didn't want to waste the food.
Whatever.
joe rogan
You know, a good Italian sub with, like, melted Parmesan cheese.
brendan schaub
Talking about the meatball sub from Subway?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm not a Subway guy.
Jared fucked it up for me, bro.
unidentified
I'll take the tuna.
eddie bravo
The tuna at Subway, I'll fuck with that.
unidentified
How dare you?
joe rogan
But not from Subway.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
I'm talking about a real sub shop.
brendan schaub
Oh, like Blimpies?
joe rogan
No, like a good Italian deli.
eddie bravo
You like Quiznos?
Come on, man.
bryan callen
They toast their buns.
They toast their buns.
You go to an Italian deli in Boston or New York where they have the hams hanging from the ceiling.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's legit.
bryan callen
Where the guy's a 90-year-old guy.
brendan schaub
Dude, you can get that at Bay Cities in Venice.
unidentified
You ever been to Bay Cities?
Incredible.
joe rogan
You got the fucking godmother?
As good as it gets.
brendan schaub
Godmother will shit down your throat.
It's delicious.
bryan callen
Dude, Bay Cities is unbelievable.
joe rogan
There's some spots.
bryan callen
Bay City is unbelievable.
joe rogan
But why don't more people do that?
Like when you go to a real Italian restaurant or a real Italian sub shop and you get like sausage and peppers with tomato sauce.
brendan schaub
God damn, I'm hungry.
joe rogan
And it's so good.
You're like, okay, why don't they figure out how to sell this more places?
bryan callen
I know, I know.
brendan schaub
Quality is expensive, bro.
joe rogan
It is, but it's so goddamn good.
brendan schaub
Delicious.
joe rogan
They're like, okay, all these little cheeseburger spots.
How come you can't have a sausage with peppers and onions?
bryan callen
Hoboken, New Jersey in the 90s, all Italian.
You'd go to those fucking delis.
And they'd have the water mozzarella they're making in the back.
They'd make the mozzarella.
And they'd put that shit on an Italian sub.
Oh my, what?
joe rogan
What's that festival that they do?
bryan callen
They're baking the bread right there.
joe rogan
San Gennaro's Feast?
bryan callen
Yeah, San Gennaro's Feast, yeah.
That's in Little Italy.
joe rogan
And they always have these big sausage vendors.
Just giant grill, sausages laid out.
You're walking by and you get one.
And immediately you bite into it and it snaps.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I like it.
Bite the sausage.
And the juice bust in your mouth.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
And the bread.
The bread has just got this density to it.
And you're like, holy shit!
eddie bravo
You guys ever fuck with the kitchen sink cookie?
joe rogan
What's that?
eddie bravo
The kitchen sink cookie.
brendan schaub
All ingredients are in the cookie.
eddie bravo
At Panera Bread.
You ever eat that?
brendan schaub
Preach.
unidentified
Preach.
eddie bravo
Dude, they got a cookie called the kitchen sink.
It's five bucks, dude.
joe rogan
This is a good deal.
eddie bravo
I only usually fuck with chocolate chip cookies.
I don't fuck with oatmeal or cinnamon cookie.
It's got to be a good chocolate chip cookie.
unidentified
Yeah, me too.
eddie bravo
Maybe some peanut butter in there.
But kitchen sink has fucking everything, and it's addicting as fuck.
bryan callen
But you gotta be high, right?
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no.
You know what?
There was a Panera Bread next to Chipotle, so I go to Chipotle and go, get the salad, no fucking, no burrito.
I'm going with the salad.
So I eat clean.
I eat clean at Chipotle, and then the Panera Bread's right next door, and I'm like, should I just walk to my car and just get in and drive the fuck away, or am I gonna go next door and fuck this all up and get a kitchen sink?
So I've always had this struggle.
I go to Chipotle- And I'm eating like an Olympian at Chipotle.
And then I walk out.
And sometimes I get in my car and just fucking burn rubber and I'm out.
But it's been a problem of mine.
But luckily.
Luckily.
Luckily.
brendan schaub
I struggle with these things.
eddie bravo
Seriously.
unidentified
Is that it?
eddie bravo
I had a salad.
No, that's not it.
I had a salad.
And I walked out and I was on the fence of whether I should get a kitchen sink and I said, fuck it, I'm going to get it.
And I walked next door and the place closed down.
I'm like, holy shit.
Totally, I feel good now.
Now I don't have a choice.
joe rogan
What are you showing us, Jamie?
jamie vernon
These are the Rock's cheat meal cookies.
unidentified
Have you seen these?
jamie vernon
He goes to some special place in Hawaii just for them.
unidentified
They're like five cookies.
It's like a cookie inside a cookie inside a cookie.
brendan schaub
What island is this on?
joe rogan
I don't know for sure.
brendan schaub
I'm there in February, son.
unidentified
In Samoa?
In Samoa?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
You're going to Samoa?
brendan schaub
I'm going to one of the islands.
joe rogan
What are you doing out there?
brendan schaub
Comedy, son.
joe rogan
Damn.
brendan schaub
Doing shows in Hawaii?
bryan callen
You're going to Samoa?
brendan schaub
No, I'm going to Hawaii, man.
One of the islands.
Oahu or some shit.
joe rogan
You don't even know where you're going?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
Samoa is nowhere near a lot.
I just go, bro.
bryan callen
Tall house cookies.
eddie bravo
I think Samoa is closer to the Philippines or something, right?
joe rogan
Is it?
bryan callen
It's in the Pacific.
eddie bravo
Is it closer to Hawaii or closer to the Philippines?
bryan callen
I think it's closer to Hawaii.
I think it's like a thousand miles.
It's pretty far.
brendan schaub
God, is anyone starving after that talk?
joe rogan
Yeah, I gotta eat.
I know a Mexican spot.
It's like a legit Mexican spot.
eddie bravo
Not that one I threw up at, right?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Remember that?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different spot.
That spot's still here.
That spot's still here, yeah.
We hit the bong too hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
On an empty stomach.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
When was this?
eddie bravo
Many, many years ago.
joe rogan
More than that.
eddie bravo
More than 10, yeah.
joe rogan
More than 10. Like 18 years ago.
eddie bravo
It was hot as fuck during the day.
Empty stomach.
We're about to go eat, get some burritos.
And he wanted to stop at a head shop and get a bong.
So he got a bong.
And I was thirsty as fuck.
It was hot.
We decided to hit the bong before we went to the burrito place.
And it was hot as fuck.
And all he had in the...
He had a case of Red Bulls, right?
Empty stomach.
I took two because they were little.
So I took two.
It was hot.
I was thirsty.
Took a gigantic dragon hit out of this ball.
We walked in.
We walked into that.
bryan callen
So you got caffeine and weed.
eddie bravo
Caffeine, weed, empty stomach.
brendan schaub
Empty stomach.
eddie bravo
That means a real bad experience.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
So we walk into the burrito shop and we used to joke that Like, nobody was ever there.
We'd walk in.
We were always the only people.
So it was like, how the fuck are they making money?
Are they, like, bringing food from home?
You know what I mean?
But anyways...
The room started spinning.
I felt like I was going to throw up.
And I just walked out of that place.
I needed to find a bush.
And as soon as I walked off, like 20 yards, I saw a bush.
And I thought, I'm not going to make it, man.
And I made a fucking beeline for the bush.
But then I collapsed halfway through on my hands and knees, just puking all over the sidewalk.
And I'm trying to drag.
I puked myself.
And then I puked here.
I took a couple more crawl steps.
I puked again three or four times.
I finally got to the bush.
Had a couple more ounces for the bush.
And then I felt great.
After I threw up, I felt great.
But man, I left a crime scene all over there.
brendan schaub
Did you go back and eat?
joe rogan
So I left the place.
eddie bravo
I went back in.
joe rogan
I left the place.
He's freaking out.
eddie bravo
He's like, I gotta go outside.
joe rogan
I gotta find a bush.
I'm gonna puke.
I'm like, no way.
He goes outside and I wasn't sure.
Like, what do I do?
Do I order the food?
bryan callen
Do I wait?
unidentified
Help him.
joe rogan
So I was like, how serious is this?
And I went outside.
He's on his hands and knees.
Pukes flying out of him.
He's crawling behind the corner to where these bushes were.
And he's hurling into the bushes.
I'm like, this is ridiculous.
And we're barbecued.
I mean, so the whole thing feels so surreal.
brendan schaub
This isn't the same Mexican place you were just talking about?
joe rogan
No, no.
The other place, they don't even speak English.
bryan callen
Dude, it's in Woodland Hills?
joe rogan
The place I'm going to take you guys to?
They don't even speak English.
brendan schaub
In Woodland Hills?
joe rogan
It's phenomenal.
bryan callen
I'm driving from Calabasas.
joe rogan
It's actually Canoga Park.
unidentified
Word.
bryan callen
I'm driving from Calabasas just down to the PCH, and it's just a windy, you know, through Topanga Canyon, kind of windy.
Well, I had Jimmy Burke in the car who doesn't drive in cars.
He lives in New York City, so he is used to walking or riding his bike.
He never drives in cars.
So, as we're going down, I'm just taking it for granted.
I'm just zing, zing, zing, zing.
joe rogan
And he goes like this.
bryan callen
We get to the bottom, and he goes, Baba, you've got to pull over right now.
I go, why?
He goes, I think I'm going to die.
I go, what?
What happened?
He goes, you're swerving.
He was on his hands and knees, and we waited there for 45 minutes because he couldn't get back in the car.
That's how fucked it is.
And threw up and just kept throwing up.
joe rogan
Brian Callen, you ever think you drive like an asshole?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
What in the fuck?
bryan callen
No, he just wasn't used to it.
joe rogan
Jesus, no.
brendan schaub
Or maybe I just hugged those turns.
I get super sick if I'm on my phone in the car.
Oh, you can't be on your phone in the back?
joe rogan
On my phone?
I get so sick.
Don't ever try to read a book while you're in the car, man.
bryan callen
It's your ears.
brendan schaub
I get so sick when I do that.
I have to put my phone down, turn it off.
joe rogan
You have to concentrate on the horizon, and it'll slowly dissipate, but just focus on the horizon.
brendan schaub
I get so sick with that.
bryan callen
I can read in a car.
joe rogan
Have you ever got seasick on a boat?
bryan callen
I can read.
I can fuck.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Whoa.
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
While you're driving or while someone else is driving?
brendan schaub
Well, the Tesla drives itself while Ryan gets sucked in the back.
bryan callen
Fuck.
I'm trying to pound you.
unidentified
Easy.
bryan callen
I farted.
joe rogan
The idea that you would be driving one of those cars and it runs out of batteries is what scares me the most.
bryan callen
I've had it happen.
eddie bravo
Where?
bryan callen
It's a lie.
It never happened.
But I was on zero and I just made it into my driveway.
brendan schaub
I remember we were somewhere and you had to stop and charge it.
You had to look up a charge place.
joe rogan
And zero gets you and it pissed me off.
bryan callen
I've only, like, two miles.
joe rogan
A couple miles on zero?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bryan callen
So you don't want to fuck with it.
But I, that happened to me twice, very recently, where I pulled into my, to Sony, and they plugged it in.
I was zero, at zero.
brendan schaub
But Sony has plugging stations?
joe rogan
It also takes forever.
unidentified
That freaks my head.
bryan callen
It takes forever to fucking charge it.
joe rogan
Fill up, yeah.
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
That's a bummer.
bryan callen
Four hours, you know, will get you, you need six hours to get 100%.
joe rogan
For 100%?
bryan callen
Really seven hours, probably.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
Yeah, depending.
If you're on the charger, if you're on the Tesla charger, you got an hour, you're in.
joe rogan
An hour?
bryan callen
Yeah, even less.
brendan schaub
Can you get those at your crib?
bryan callen
That's like, no.
brendan schaub
It's expensive.
joe rogan
I saw them at the movie theater the other day.
bryan callen
Yeah.
You can't get those, but you...
brendan schaub
What movie did you see?
joe rogan
We saw the new Wreck-It Ralph.
Oh, is it good?
brendan schaub
Yes, it's very good.
It's weird though.
joe rogan
Sarah Silverman's the voice of this little girl.
She's great in it.
She's great in it.
But it's so obviously her to me.
I'm like, oh, hey, Sarah.
bryan callen
I liked her one hour.
I saw half of it anyway.
I really liked it.
joe rogan
She's funny as shit, man.
unidentified
I've seen her murder at the store.
joe rogan
One of the best.
brendan schaub
Sarah Silverman?
joe rogan
Very, very good comic.
bryan callen
I think maybe the best...
joe rogan
Best female comic?
Female?
bryan callen
That's what I mean, yeah.
brendan schaub
Dude, Trevor Noah's special on Netflix is funny as fuck.
unidentified
Is it?
brendan schaub
It's really funny.
bryan callen
I heard mixed reviews.
brendan schaub
Really?
bryan callen
Yeah, since you said that.
But I mean, it's all subjective.
brendan schaub
You made me laugh.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's all subjective.
joe rogan
You do have a purple car.
Brian judges you.
brendan schaub
It's true.
Maybe we don't like the same humor.
joe rogan
No, I didn't infuriate you, the purple car.
bryan callen
It's just like...
joe rogan
He's just not your star at all.
unidentified
No, no, no.
bryan callen
He's not Peacocky.
It's just like...
The way he dresses, he just...
I know what he's going to do.
Like, I know that that one Porsche wasn't enough.
And he's like...
And I'll get a picture.
He'll just send me a random picture.
And I'm like, don't you fucking do it.
Of course he needs the purple.
joe rogan
Do you think if you got rid of this Tesla...
And I know you want to have a car that has a backseat where you can take your kids.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you drove a 911. I've driven one.
When was the last time?
brendan schaub
One.
bryan callen
I drove Arnold Schwarzenegger's 911 Porsche Turbo.
brendan schaub
When was that?
bryan callen
Because he put it up for sale and my friend was selling it and he said, I got a surprise for you.
brendan schaub
An 88 or some shit?
bryan callen
No, it was like 2000s.
unidentified
2000s.
bryan callen
It's a great car, but the problem is it's, you know, just a lot of, I think it was a stick.
You know, in traffic and shit, I'm just too lazy.
I'm not a driver.
joe rogan
First of all, you have to order a stick.
Most of them don't come with sticks.
bryan callen
This had a special interior, like it was a beautiful car.
joe rogan
Yeah, what I'm saying is if you drove one, if you drove like a 911, an automatic one, you would love it.
bryan callen
I'm sure.
But then again, I really love that Tesla.
I think my lease is up, so the question is do I get a Panamera?
What do I get?
brendan schaub
When's the lease up?
bryan callen
March.
But I can trade it in already.
joe rogan
Well, you know...
There's benefits to both, right?
There's benefits to the electric thing.
It's pretty dope.
It's fast as shit.
Off the line, there's no gears, right?
There's no shifting.
brendan schaub
You don't care about speed, though, right?
bryan callen
I like pickup.
I like pickup.
I like the fact that it parks itself, and I like the fact that it drives itself in shitty traffic.
If I'm in traffic, I'll go like that.
I hit this thing, and I just stand, and it just drives in bumper to bumper, and I never have to touch the wheel or the pedals.
brendan schaub
Some people die with that.
Yeah, I hear you.
bryan callen
No, but you're going slow.
You know that stop and start?
That's tiring.
joe rogan
It's annoying.
Yeah.
bryan callen
Have your hand on the wheel a little bit lightly and just you can read a book.
eddie bravo
I don't know about that.
Just drive the goddamn car, man.
Once you have cars driving for you?
bryan callen
It's the future.
eddie bravo
What the fuck?
bryan callen
No way.
eddie bravo
Hell no.
brendan schaub
Eventually it will.
bryan callen
Our kids aren't going to get driver's licenses.
brendan schaub
Now driver's licenses are way down.
Why would we drive, you old fuck?
joe rogan
Literally.
brendan schaub
They Uber everywhere.
joe rogan
Kids aren't getting driver's licenses.
brendan schaub
They just Uber.
Which is a little dangerous because those Uber drivers are weird as fuck.
bryan callen
But we're going to have driverless Ubers and then we're just going to get in.
eddie bravo
No way.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
eddie bravo
You're going to let a car drive itself?
unidentified
Eventually.
bryan callen
This new Tesla has so many cameras.
It just parked for me.
The download, I went.
My buddy goes, do you know how this works?
My buddy Jeff.
I go, no.
He goes, watch this.
I pushed this part.
I stood there.
It parked.
It parallel parked so fast and well.
So much better.
I didn't have to do it.
I sat there and it just went...
I was like, are you kidding?
joe rogan
It would make me feel like less of a man.
bryan callen
I know.
But you get lazy.
eddie bravo
No, man.
bryan callen
It's just easy after a while.
eddie bravo
That's ridiculous, man.
bryan callen
Hit a button.
unidentified
Fucking ridiculous.
joe rogan
That so sounds like what people probably said when the printing press came out.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
You're not going to write your words?
bryan callen
You're not going to get parchment paper?
eddie bravo
It's different.
I'm talking about safety.
No, no, I'm not talking about pride or anything like that.
I'm talking about you're going to be driving on the freeway 65 miles an hour.
unidentified
Eventually it's going to get so good.
bryan callen
No, I don't.
That would make me nervous.
That makes me nervous.
joe rogan
Way more than other people.
There's so many accidents.
brendan schaub
You know how many dumbasses there are?
joe rogan
How many people are reading their phone?
I watched some lady the other day.
eddie bravo
I'm not worried about someone else.
I'm worried about the car that I'm in.
The car that I'm in.
brendan schaub
Because she didn't know traffic was going?
joe rogan
She's in the middle lane, yeah.
Middle lane, just stopped dead.
bryan callen
A woman I work with, her mother was killed by a distracted driver texting.
Killed her mother.
brendan schaub
They say it's going to take over drunk driving and everything.
Texting and driving has been the number one problem.
joe rogan
Every time I see someone driving fucked up, I always pull up next to them and they're always on their phone.
brendan schaub
Always.
joe rogan
It's like 89, 90% of the time.
bryan callen
It's not good.
joe rogan
The other, it's just people just distracted.
eddie bravo
They should make it so that your phone doesn't work while you're driving.
bryan callen
Right.
eddie bravo
Your phone shuts off when you drive.
joe rogan
There's an option in the new iPhones.
There's an option that locks you out of everything.
brendan schaub
Yeah, when you text those.
I'm driving right now.
We'll give you a text.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
But I mean, one of these days it might be mandatory, right?
joe rogan
It should be.
eddie bravo
You cannot be on your phone while you're driving.
bryan callen
Unfortunately, it might take a tragedy.
unidentified
Well, that is a law.
brendan schaub
That is a law.
joe rogan
If you have a good hands-free system, you can do a lot of shit.
Like, I can press the little button on my steering wheel and say, call Eddie Bravo, and it'll call you.
brendan schaub
You can also say text, Eddie, probably.
You can say text.
It'll re-text to you, too.
joe rogan
It'll re-text to you if you have Apple CarPlay.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
But then the problem is if you start getting pictures.
eddie bravo
What do you mean re-text?
unidentified
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Read.
eddie bravo
Oh, it'll read text.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it'll read your text.
unidentified
Message from Eddie says, Brian Kelly, dick pic.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Would you like to reply?
No.
Okay.
It's kind of cool.
It's kind of weird, though.
They're going to have something.
Whatever this is, this is going to be nothing compared to whatever they settle on 10 years from now.
brendan schaub
When the fuck are we getting flying cars?
eddie bravo
That's never going to happen.
Remember your joke about it?
Your bit?
brendan schaub
I haven't heard it.
eddie bravo
It's great.
brendan schaub
Is that on your new?
joe rogan
No.
2006?
unidentified
2005?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
Like 2001 or 2002. No, but it didn't get on something.
eddie bravo
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I went from 99 to 2005. There was a long gap where I didn't film anything.
That's where that bit's from now.
brendan schaub
99 to 2005?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
A lot of special?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Why'd you do that?
joe rogan
Too busy.
That was the Fear Factor years.
brendan schaub
Oh, gotcha.
You weren't grinding with comedy, so you didn't want to put on a special.
eddie bravo
Jetpacks, remember?
Where are jetpacks?
We were supposed to have those.
joe rogan
I was doing a lot of spots at the store.
eddie bravo
30 years ago.
Remember on Chips, like 1978, 1980, they had jetpacks back then, and we still haven't mastered it.
But they're getting pretty good, though.
I have seen some videos, yes.
Like Rocketeer?
Yeah, they're getting better now.
brendan schaub
I saw a guy in the NFL invest half of his salary into flying cars.
This was in 2003. Oh no.
Yeah, he's not doing well.
unidentified
Oh God.
brendan schaub
It didn't work out.
bryan callen
Flying cars.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
joe rogan
Imagine putting all your money like, I'm going to get ahead of the curve.
Just banking on something like that, getting off the ground, getting approved, getting licensed, not dropping out of the sky and killing infrastructure.
eddie bravo
In 1980, we didn't think, you know, in 2018, we'd still have cars with rubber tires, like engines, and basically the same thing.
brendan schaub
Some countries are making gas cars illegal by 2020. Well, the craziest thing is...
unidentified
What?
eddie bravo
Are you serious?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're not going to release the sale of gas cars.
They're going to make them illegal.
joe rogan
What about retro cars?
Are you allowed to keep your car from 1980?
brendan schaub
I'm not sure.
bryan callen
China, in one year, decided that their air was terrible.
And in one year, they basically said that you're going to use natural gas instead of coal and stuff like that in your home.
I think that was what it was.
But China has the advantage of just going, hey, all you billion-plus people, no more!
And they changed it in a fucking year.
They literally just changed the infrastructure.
So they'll be the first ones to have nothing but electric cars.
joe rogan
Is this all of China?
bryan callen
Yeah, look that up.
joe rogan
Don't they still have coal plants and shit?
bryan callen
Well, they do, but people were using things like coal and gas or fuel to cook their food, to heat their homes, and basically the president said, nah, natural gas, clean burning gas, no more of this.
Changed it in a year.
The air is a lot better, because the air was pretty bad, but they said the air was the worst in Beijing.
One thing you see in Beijing is nothing but unfinished buildings.
They'll build 20 of the same exact-looking building in one area, and it's so ugly, these giant buildings.
And that's the landscape, and they're empty.
Or just cranes, and they're not working.
They overbuilt a lot.
joe rogan
Why'd they do that?
bryan callen
They have ghost cities.
They have huge cities where nobody lives in them because they were essentially saying, let's just build as many cities as we can, but they didn't have the population to move them in or the economy to support that city.
eddie bravo
It's like North Korea too, right?
They have a bunch of empty cities.
bryan callen
Well, it's also how they created jobs.
joe rogan
Is that also, do you think, a product of communism versus capitalism?
Because capitalism, they would have had to have some sort of financial plan.
bryan callen
It's a command economy.
So why not just create jobs?
Create jobs.
If everybody's working, just build a bunch of buildings.
Right.
unidentified
Whoa.
bryan callen
Nobody has to live in them, but just as long as we got people going in...
eddie bravo
Downtown L.A. is kind of like that.
They're building new skyscrapers all the goddamn time, 24-7.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're selling the shit out of them.
That's the difference between...
bryan callen
The marketplace dictates.
You have developers that take huge risk, and they say, I'm going to build this in the hopes that I can fill that retail space, office space.
China, there's not the same pressures.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
You know, China's an economy of influence, too.
A lot of times you're not doing business unless you've got, you know, connections with the people that okay your permits, etc.
Fuck.
joe rogan
We're so lucky we don't live in a dictatorship like that.
Like, if you're stuck under the boot of something like North Korea, you're stuck under the boot.
We could have got a shit roll of the dice.
bryan callen
Of course.
joe rogan
Born in there.
bryan callen
I think about it all the time.
Especially because I lived in those countries as a kid.
We take a lot of our freedoms for granted, but at the same time, they're always under threat.
I think from companies like the fact that so much information is concentrated in so few companies, like Facebook.
Like Google.
I worry about the consolidation of power.
joe rogan
And they have political agendas.
bryan callen
Yes, they have political agendas.
joe rogan
That's the real issue.
The real issue is that they lean politically.
But they almost should be completely neutral and just allow or not allow things based on whether or not it violates their rules.
But that's not really the case.
bryan callen
No, and also the way campaign finance works, like the way you have to have money.
It's changing a little, but if you don't have money, as a politician, you better say what the people that are financing your campaign.
They'll tell you.
They'll give you a sheet on what to say.
If you don't do that, you're not in Congress the next time you're around.
You have to listen to the people that put you there.
And that's a problem.
It costs a lot of money to get elected.
joe rogan
You've got to have very clear rules.
If you're going to have rules in terms of what you can and can't say, they have to apply to everyone, regardless of race, regardless of gender, ethnicity, and they don't.
One of the things that Brett Weinstein tweeted the other day that I retweeted was some woman who wrote...
All white people are racist.
And she just went on this anti-white screed.
Like, you just can't say that.
That's dumb.
That's a dumb generalization, and it's racist.
And you don't think it's racist because it's racist against white people, but it's racist.
It's so stupid that you allow that, but you don't allow racism against other racists.
bryan callen
Well, what's funny is that they're thinking the same way.
Their methodology is the same as the people they're criticizing.
Yeah, it's racist.
It's not what you think, it's how you think that makes more of a difference, right?
So you're thinking like a racist.
I know that you have a different kind of racism, but it's still racist.
joe rogan
Well, they think it's justified.
And their shitty way of doing the math.
bryan callen
Yeah, they're not that smart.
That's the other thing.
Is that Warren, Joe?
joe rogan
Barely.
It's been sitting here for three hours, this coffee.
bryan callen
But the way you get elected and stay elected is you tow the...
Like, if you want to have sort of anti-Wall Street legislation, certain things.
So swipe fees.
Swipe fees on your ATM. That's a huge issue.
And it doesn't affect a lot of us, but it affects a corporation's, a bank's bottom line.
And that becomes, you better vote favorably or you're gonna have a problem.
I think more and more Americans are realizing that money and politics is a big problem.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
How the fuck would you ever get it out?
I don't know.
bryan callen
It's always been that way.
The question is, does your government represent you?
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
Right.
So gerrymandering and how campaigns are financed.
brendan schaub
Drives me nuts how quiet Eddie is during all this government talk.
eddie bravo
I'm thinking about Distinguished Gentleman.
Remember Eddie Murphy when he became a politician?
joe rogan
I remember that one.
brendan schaub
Old school, man.
joe rogan
Did I see that one?
I might not have seen it.
That might be the one that I've never saw.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he wanted to be a politician because he found out that damn, that's where you make the money.
So he enters politics just like, You know, just taking bribes and all that shit.
But then he gets a conscience.
Then he does the right thing at the end.
bryan callen
But a congressman spends, a U.S. congressman spends between 30 and 70 percent of his time or her time on the phone to people they don't know trying to raise money.
And you're not allowed to do that on government property.
So what you do is you go across the street.
You're sitting in your car.
You can go across the street in the Capitol, they're in their car, and they're making phone calls.
They're giving a list.
And you make a phone call, and you spend 30-70% of your time doing that to raise money.
There's something wrong with that.
That's kind of fucked up.
joe rogan
Whenever I hear people talk too much about politics, even myself included, my own words, I'm like, you're talking about a rigged game.
It's like you're talking about pro wrestling.
It's like you're talking about something that's...
You're pretending that it's real.
eddie bravo
But you know, of course the government is corrupt as fuck.
But when you're talking about stuff like that, like are the elections rigged?
Do our votes count?
The one thing that I learned from these midterms is that if your vote didn't count and it's all decided like pro-wrestling, then there wouldn't be all this voter fraud and all these computers that can, you know.
joe rogan
But voter fraud's not what I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about voting.
I'm talking about the way, once you're in office, the way things get handled.
eddie bravo
No, I get it.
But what I'm saying is, from the elections, you see that your votes do matter.
There's a lot of corruption and fraud going on.
But if it was all rigged like WWE, they wouldn't need to do all that.
You still gotta vote.
You're right.
So it's still the real system.
Because a lot of people think it's not a real system.
It doesn't matter.
They already decide and they're just going to put them in.
No, the way they actually decide is they decide who they're going to rig the machines for.
But the votes still count.
You just got to make sure that there's no shenanigans going on.
joe rogan
People most certainly do count, but where it gets really squirrely, and this is where politics get goofy, is in why do politicians do what they do?
Do they do what they do to support the people, or do they do what they do because special interest groups have influenced them?
eddie bravo
It's way more.
bryan callen
Well, not only that, here's what's really wild.
So Capitol Hill, when you're in Congress, they call that the farm team.
Because in Capitol Hill, you spend six years, seven years, let's just say you're a senator.
Now, when you're a senator for, I don't know, 10 years, when you're on Capitol Hill as a congressman for six, for 10 years, you develop real connections and relationships with government officials who make decisions.
You also understand how government works.
You understand who's actually influencing who.
So now what do you do?
So let's say you lose an election, or let's say you decide, I made my $160,000 a year, can't really live on that money.
You go to K Street.
You join a lobbying firm.
And because you've been there for six or nine or ten years, you know a lot of people.
And that lobbying firm goes, hey, we'll pay you a million dollars now.
And all you got to do is drive to Capitol Hill every day, get in there and influence, use your connections so that we can get what we want from government.
So corporations hiring lobbying firms to lobby for their bottom line.
So now you're working...
To influence government.
And the problem is when you're in Congress, you know that.
You know you have a job waiting if you can make great connections.
And now, Washington becomes an economy of influence.
brendan schaub
That's the game, right?
bryan callen
Yes.
You gotta have Lawrence Lessig on your goddamn podcast.
He can explain.
He's a Harvard professor.
That motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah, you keep telling me about the podcast you did with him.
bryan callen
He'll break it down.
Yeah, listen to that.
I sent it to you, I think.
It's Lawrence Lessig.
He breaks it down.
He wrote a book called Republic Lost, and he's got a couple TED Talks.
brendan schaub
On how politics works?
bryan callen
Yes, and basically he said, your government doesn't represent you, and here's why.
Here's how it works.
When he breaks it down, you go...
It's simple the way he breaks it down, because he's a constitutional scholar out of Harvard, but you're like...
Fuck!
And what he said was fascinating.
He said, Washington's a place where even if you're a good person, You must behave in a corrupt manner if you want to survive.
That's when you have problems.
When good people have to behave corruptly.
eddie bravo
The bright side of all that is the fact that there is people getting suicided and bribery going on.
That means that there's hope that there's good people inside the government that you've got to watch.
You've got to watch your ass.
We've got to hire someone to kill you because we don't want to go to jail.
bryan callen
They don't have to kill you.
eddie bravo
They can just get What I'm saying is, the fact that there is all that bribery and suiciding, that means that there's good people in there that are going after the bad people.
To me, I look at the bright side.
I used to think there was no hope.
I used to think, fuck, when the Bushes were in office, Clinton, Obama, I was like, I didn't pay attention to shit.
I just said, They're all corrupt.
It's all rigged.
And it's all, you know, there's nothing you can do about it.
But, you know, over the last couple years, you know, since Trump got into office, now I'm like paying attention.
Like, there are some good people trying to do some good shit.
Like Trey Gowdy.
Listen to that motherfucker.
Trey Gowdy's a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
eddie bravo
Matt Gaetz.
No, politicians.
joe rogan
Who are these people?
eddie bravo
The congressmen.
Oh, man.
There are some great people going after the bad people.
That's why there needs to be bribes and suiciding and blackmail.
The reason there's blackmail is because there's good people in there.
If everybody was bad, why would you blackmail anybody?
bryan callen
Well, the problem is it's really subtle the way they can get you out, though, because when your donors are telling you which way to vote, you as a politician go in there with all your ideas and you can't vote your conscience.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
There's a lot of bad shit.
There's a lot of bad shit.
bryan callen
You've got to vote for the money.
eddie bravo
You're preaching to the choir over here.
I'm not going to defend.
bryan callen
So you fix that.
So Lawrence Lessig has one of the ideas he talks about is anonymous donations.
So watch.
You're a politician.
Right.
I'm a corporation.
unidentified
Right.
bryan callen
I give your and I threw a super pack or whatever it might be.
I give your campaign a lot of money.
Now, you're a regular dude, you're not corrupt, but human beings, when somebody gives them a real hand when they needed it, you can't help but to feel a little indebted.
What if there are two ideas?
What if you had a voucher system with all of us, we're given a certain amount of money every election cycle, and we were allowed anonymously to give that money to whoever we thought was a viable candidate?
It'd be anonymous.
Or, what if all donations were anonymous?
What if you couldn't say who it was from?
But if you know you got a lot of stuff from GE, or you know you got a lot of stuff from Lockheed, and there's a bill that comes up for Saudi Arabia to buy a bunch of tanks or whatever, or weaponry, It's going to be very hard for you to vote against that.
And if you do, those people that got you in power last time aren't going to get you in power.
joe rogan
They basically figured out a way to make bribing legal.
They just give you stuff to hook you up and take care of you and add money to your campaign, but then don't exactly tell you what to do.
But you know what the fuck's going on.
bryan callen
The book to read is Republic Lost.
That's a fucking good book.
joe rogan
Is it on audio?
bryan callen
Yes, it's amazing.
Get Lawrence Lessig on your goddamn podcast.
He'll break it down.
brendan schaub
I need you to relax a little.
bryan callen
I get excited about it.
Because when you say campaign finance reform, it's so boring, right?
unidentified
Right.
bryan callen
The minute I hear that, I go like this.
I've read a book, two books on it, and I'm like, I get bored.
I get tired right away.
But it's so important.
joe rogan
They've got to figure out some way to stop these giant corporations from influencing politicians.
They've got to find some way.
It's got to become illegal.
bryan callen
There is blowback.
eddie bravo
They're influencing everybody.
unidentified
They're influencing TV shows and everybody.
joe rogan
There's money to be made no matter what.
The idea is that they want so much, anything that threatens that money, the real true marketplace, they want to put the fucking brakes to that.
bryan callen
But you're supposed to cancel each other out, though.
So ideally, there's nothing wrong with petitioning your government.
That's in the Constitution.
So you can lobby your government.
It's called petitioning your government.
joe rogan
Right, but the problem is not that you're donating money to your campaign.
eddie bravo
But isn't lobbying illegal in some countries?
bryan callen
Probably.
The problem with lobbying, so Citizens United… But what countries would they be illegal in?
eddie bravo
I think maybe Holland.
That makes sense.
bryan callen
I think lobbying, because that's what… But lobbying, the problem with making lobbying illegal is it's part of free speech.
That's what was ruled in the Supreme Court.
So Citizens United… So in other words, if I want to give money to you, you're a politician, and I want Eddie Bravo to be president, right?
I should be able to exercise my right as a citizen and support you.
So I want to amplify your voice.
That means you need money.
So to tell me I can't give money to the person I like is a restriction of free speech.
And I think that was the Citizens United Supreme Court decision.
joe rogan
You know, there's another problem.
The other problem is when subjects like this get brought up, and this is one of the most important subjects that we could ever discuss, like how our world gets run.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
I get bored as fuck.
bryan callen
I know!
joe rogan
You get bored as fuck.
He turns out.
brendan schaub
I've been staring at the wall for the last 30 minutes.
unidentified
Isn't it funny?
bryan callen
I understand.
joe rogan
I get it.
You don't want to have to deal with it.
brendan schaub
It's just not my cup of tea.
joe rogan
You don't want to have to deal with it.
bryan callen
But it affects all of us deeply.
joe rogan
You want to be like these North Sentinel people.
brendan schaub
I feel like there's nothing we can do about it.
eddie bravo
I'm like, dude, I've never been so into politics ever.
I'm fucking balls deep in it.
bryan callen
I love it.
eddie bravo
It's like Game of Thrones, but it's for real and it affects your life.
bryan callen
It does affect your life.
eddie bravo
It's real shit.
There's real Game of Thrones going on right now, and it's so entertaining to find out what the fuck, instead of watching a goddamn TV show that does nothing for your life.
It's like Game of Thrones really going on right now if you pay attention.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem is, I watched TV shows so that I could just have fun.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm not saying don't do that.
I'm not saying don't do that.
You can do both.
joe rogan
Those things freak me the fuck out.
And you can do both.
You can do both.
But if you really start paying attention too much to politics, and I have a bunch of friends that are really into politics.
eddie bravo
Especially right now.
joe rogan
Right now is so important.
bryan callen
But let me ask all of you this.
So as far as not standing out of politics or whatever, what if, this is where it comes down to, we all have kids here.
So now there is a legislative agenda Whatever it might be.
And it's an agenda that says we want to teach your kids something like, let's just say because the social scientists and academia wins their way, gets into the air of politicians, which happens all the time, and politicians say all schools, public schools at least, where my kids go, are going to teach that there's zero biological difference or zero difference between men and women.
Oh, and by the way, ready?
Evolution is a theory and we're going to put it on the same standings as creationist theory too.
I.E. School Board in Kansas, I think at one point, had that going on.
joe rogan
So wait a minute.
Are you saying the same people that say...
bryan callen
I'm just saying what happens if you stay out of this debate and the wrong people push their ideas forward, which usually have a political agenda, you might be faced with a situation where somebody's trying to educate your kid in things that you just...
Not only disagree with, but are factually incorrect.
So this happens.
This is where it starts getting personal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it can get real weird.
Like, there was this thing from Nature the other day that I retweeted.
Because Brett Weinstein had...
Brought it up and he was like, this is really disturbing that these people are making this distinction.
And he was talking about the difference between biological sex and real...
I don't want to misquote it, so I'll find out the exact thing.
But they're essentially promoting social justice principles over scientific principles and it's supposed to be a company that specializes in science.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So instead of just being scientific, they're scientific with a very clear, progressive political twist to it.
And you're like, well, just because something's inconvenient doesn't mean it's incorrect.
Just because something's uncomfortable doesn't mean it's not true.
And there's things that you might have your own personal beliefs and values and ethics, but that's not what we're counting on when you're a science journal.
We're counting on just facts.
That's it.
And they're not doing that.
bryan callen
Did you see the, I think I sent you a YouTube thing?
joe rogan
To say this proposal has no foundation in science is nonsense.
The genitals...
So this is what it is.
Pull up the Nature one first so I can read that.
The U.S. editorial, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, proposes to establish a legal definition of whether someone is male or female based on the genitals they are born with.
This proposal has no foundation in science and should be abandoned.
And this is the journal Nature.
So the problem with that is what Brett Weinstein very...
Succinctly says.
To say, in quotes, this proposal has no foundation in science, which is what they said, he says, is nonsense.
The genitals one is born with show overwhelming correlation with one's self-assessed gender as predicted by evolutionary theory.
If we grant nature's claim, we condemn the study of complex phenomena to a dark age.
bryan callen
There you go.
That's a classic fucking example.
And nature should know better, but they have a political Where'd that come from?
They were influenced by strong forces, probably on the radical left in this instance.
There are other forces on the other side.
joe rogan
That's where the wind is going, and if you support that, you get way more love than you get hate.
There's currency to it.
You lick your finger, you find out where the wind's going.
To say that there's no correlation is fucking bananas.
We're all men.
bryan callen
And that's controversial, by the way.
It's controversial to say it.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of nonsense going on right now that I think will eventually be sorted out once the dust settles.
But I think this is just a wave of information.
It goes left.
It goes right.
Everybody's battling it out.
And because people are more concerned with their side winning than they are with actual facts, a lot of really stupid ideas get supported instead of objectively analyzed for whether or not they contain truth.
bryan callen
There's pushback with kids, though.
So my buddy's son is 15, and it's all about gender and educating you on gender.
joe rogan
In high school.
bryan callen
People choose their pronouns.
So when you're in college, my nephew who was in college, 18 years old, they said, say your name and please tell us what pronoun you would like to be referred to.
unidentified
In class?
bryan callen
Yes, right?
First day orientation.
joe rogan
What school is this?
bryan callen
So now the kids, though, as they're being taught this by their fucking teachers, because their kids, they're like, the fuck out of here.
So my friend goes, look at that.
Look at that butterfly.
Isn't he beautiful?
And his son goes, Dad!
Do you have any idea how hurtful it is to that butterfly?
You have no idea what that butterfly's gender is.
And they're all fucking around now.
So there's pushback on that shit.
Well, I would hope there's some pushback.
joe rogan
Kids are going to know.
Because we can see it.
No, there's some really influenced people, easily influenced people that are adopting all this stuff.
bryan callen
Of course.
joe rogan
Way more so than it was when we were growing up.
unidentified
Of course.
Especially in L.A. Indoctrination is the right word, too.
Yes.
eddie bravo
You could get kids to believe in anything.
I used some MKUltra on my son, too.
I said, you know what?
I'm going to make him a Cleveland Browns fan.
We flew to Cleveland, watched a Cleveland Browns, and all he wanted was a Baker Mayfield jersey.
brendan schaub
He wants to be like Dad, though.
unidentified
And I'm like, fucking work.
joe rogan
He wants to be like Dad.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but that's what happens.
He got into Cleveland Browns on one trip.
bryan callen
He's all for it.
It's hard, though, to keep a theory going that doesn't really have any basis in science.
At the end of the day, it's kind of bankrupt.
brendan schaub
It's going to fizzle out over time.
bryan callen
And I don't think they're very smart.
I think they're political, and I don't think they're very smart.
I don't think their scholarship is deep.
eddie bravo
Men, women...
People born as men but think they're women.
People born as women think they're men.
People that think they're both.
That's five.
bryan callen
That's very rare.
eddie bravo
And then what else?
They said there's like 60 of them or something, right?
joe rogan
78 different gender pronouns, but that's because no one has agreed on what the gender pronoun should be.
So if you decide that yours is Z-I-R, and I said, no, mine is Z-Y-R-E. Sorry.
eddie bravo
I need someone to explain all this.
bryan callen
It's an obsession.
brendan schaub
What a waste of time.
joe rogan
They're people that want to be special.
This is a big part of what everybody wants.
eddie bravo
You gotta go to school to find out if you're a guy?
Come on, you gotta take courses?
I know you think you're a guy, but you're gonna find out for sure in six months.
bryan callen
You know what Sam Harris said that I fucking loved?
He said, right now, the one thing to keep in mind is that Being offended is not an argument and it's not a virtue.
So you can't just shut the conversation down because you're offended and you're taking issue with what I say.
That ain't an argument and it sure as fuck ain't a virtue.
But that's what's going on.
What's her name?
Heather McDonald, is that her name?
She was speaking at a college and there was a law student.
He was just giving her the finger the whole time.
And all she was trying to do is talk about something that was based in science.
Heather McDonald?
What's her name?
brendan schaub
The comic?
bryan callen
No, she's a professor, a journalist, a professor of journalism, I think.
And she's a very reasonable kind of like clear...
joe rogan
It doesn't matter, man.
People are struggling so hard to find things to be offended at that they're pointing at targets that aren't viable and they're throwing all their weight into it and when it doesn't work, they back out and they try someone new.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, Christina Hoff Summers, you ever see the things that she did where she was trying to speak and they were shouting her down and making all this noise in the crowd.
They're trying to boo her off the stage.
They're trying to silence people because it's something that you can do.
You can get it done.
bryan callen
Because they're afraid of their ideas.
They don't think their ideas can compete.
joe rogan
It's a game, man.
It's not just that they're afraid of it.
bryan callen
It's a game.
brendan schaub
Something to do.
joe rogan
They're on one side.
She's on the other.
They rode for the Browns.
She's with the Raiders.
That's what it is, man.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
It's 100% what it is.
eddie bravo
What are your feelings on the caravan situation?
What do you guys think about that?
unidentified
Desperate people?
joe rogan
Why is it any different from all the people that are getting in here every day?
It's a fake thing we're supposed to be paying attention to.
brendan schaub
What exactly happened with the caravan?
joe rogan
They're making a big publicity event out of these people that want to come to America.
bryan callen
So they're all coming together.
joe rogan
They want asylum.
bryan callen
They came from Honduras.
So MS-13 and this other gang are the biggest employers there.
If you don't join them, you get your family killed.
Nice guys.
And I think that these people are desperate.
They're essentially refugees from a place that's intolerable to live.
joe rogan
But they're making it this really big political deal.
It's very publicized.
eddie bravo
Totally.
joe rogan
And apparently, they're not always walking.
Sometimes they get in the vans and people drive in places.
brendan schaub
Are you saying that we shouldn't let them in?
bryan callen
I don't know what you do.
joe rogan
I'm not saying that we shouldn't let them in or we shouldn't let them in.
This is what I'm saying.
brendan schaub
No, I'm saying what's the issue.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, definitely people don't want them in.
They're illegal immigrants.
But what's interesting to me is if you come from Cuba, you could just come.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you get on a boat, if you get over here in America, we're like, you made it, bro!
Come on in!
But if you try from Guatemala, we're like, nah, sorry, son.
Ronald Patchett, dirt.
eddie bravo
Find another country.
brendan schaub
Don't take our food stamps.
But because of the MS-13, right?
Because of that horrible gang.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's fascinating.
brendan schaub
They have horrible murders in New York.
joe rogan
We made an agreement that anybody who's trying to escape the kind of shitty situation they have in Cuba will allow that.
bryan callen
Right.
Oh, I got you.
I got you.
brendan schaub
But if you're from Colombia.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, if you're Yoel Romero and you come over from Cuba, that's true.
bryan callen
Because you're a communist country.
joe rogan
We'll take you.
eddie bravo
And people think that all Mexicans are for the caravan and we want them in.
That's not true.
Most Mexicans are like...
bryan callen
Immigration is complicated.
eddie bravo
Find another country.
You ain't getting our welfare.
You know what I mean?
Mexicans ain't down for that caravan.
They want them turned away too.
bryan callen
It's a complicated emotional issue, man.
It's like I always do this joke where I believe in borders, but I'd be a shitty border control agent, right?
Like I do think borders are reasonable, but nobody gets over and then I'd be like, oh, the kids.
Fuck it.
Come on.
I think Americans feel that way.
It's a hard thing.
eddie bravo
Do you live in a gated community?
bryan callen
No.
unidentified
Okay.
eddie bravo
Okay.
bryan callen
I mean, yes.
joe rogan
No?
It's like the idea that there's a real country.
That there's a place where you can go and a place where you can't go.
And you have to have papers and they may cross this law in the dirt.
Like they've set up fences and borders.
Well, the service industry needs...
I mean, if you think about the United States, the United States essentially is not just a country.
It's a collection of different areas.
And each different area has its own culture, almost their own language.
The way they talk in Florida is way fucking different than the way they talk in Maine.
It's really weird.
It's all the same language, but it's almost like they're separate little countries.
And we travel amongst each other, no problem.
And you're allowed to.
You're allowed to bail out.
I'm going to try to Vegas for a while.
I'm going to get me a job at a casino.
Nobody cares.
You're fine, as long as you're on this one patch of dirt.
But the reason why we don't allow all the other patches of dirt to do the same thing and everybody just flow freely is because there's some spots that just don't have it good at all.
And we want those people to stay there.
Although your spot you haven't fixed.
You haven't fixed your spot.
bryan callen
But you know what the connective tissue is for Americans, even though that's true?
The connective tissue that I think a lot of countries don't have is that the one thing we have going for, even if it's a myth for a lot of people, the one thing all Americans have going for them is the idea that...
There's a chance, if I do the right thing, I may be poor now, but I could be a fucking millionaire.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
bryan callen
That shit is so, but that's what keeps the sort of people who have nothing from creating a revolution.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
But if we lose that, if people start thinking that's not for them.
unidentified
But don't you have to have some regulation?
brendan schaub
Like, you can't let everybody in, right?
joe rogan
Right.
You can't let everybody in, but you can let everybody in from Kentucky.
If everybody from Kentucky decided to move to L.A., we would just have to deal with it.
bryan callen
Well, it's American.
They got citizenship.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Like, it's odd.
The reason why we can't have world citizenship is because some places suck too hard.
eddie bravo
You don't have for nationalism?
joe rogan
I'm not saying that it's good or bad.
I'm just looking at it as a thing right now.
If I had to say, do I like it?
Honestly, I think the whole world, the human beings as a race, would be way better off if everybody could move where it's good.
And then we would figure out why there's too many people where it's good, and then it'll settle down, and you move to a better spot, and it'll eventually even out.
eddie bravo
That'll never happen, though.
brendan schaub
It would never even out.
joe rogan
The reason why people in segregated areas don't advance, like these people in Sentinel Island.
It's kind of a fucked up example.
eddie bravo
Satan's Island.
joe rogan
They're not going anywhere.
They're wearing leaves over their dicks.
brendan schaub
But they like them.
joe rogan
Do they?
bryan callen
But Joe, the European Union is that.
joe rogan
By the way, you and I are morons.
If we were living on that island, we would be having leaves over our dick too.
It's not like, oh, I'm just going to invent a satellite.
These fucking morons.
We don't know how to do any of that stuff.
So we would be with them just with a greater understanding of what's possible with smarter people around.
bryan callen
But what you just said is happening in the European Union.
I mean, that's why a lot of Polish people come over to the UK and they come back.
joe rogan
And there's also what they're doing now with immigration is freaking a lot of people out because they're allowing so many people of different cultures to come in and then their cities become more multicultural than they are English.
And then it gets real weird.
bryan callen
But the other problem is that when you have one currency, currencies used to be based on the productivity of their citizenry, right?
So when you have currency, everybody has the same currency, which means it's all valued at the same thing.
The problem is that people in Spain are not as productive as people in Germany, for example.
So the German goods and services should be worth more.
Or the dollar there, the euro there should be worth more than it is, say, in Spain.
eddie bravo
Isn't it better when the state has more power than the Fed?
joe rogan
Well, it's like countries.
Is that better?
That's basically what the argument is.
We're like a band of countries.
Like California is a country, Nevada is a country.
eddie bravo
But isn't that better for the people when the state has...
So then that would mean, you know, at the same rate, you know, it's better to have a country like the United States than to be...
joe rogan
The thing is, with states, you can go to any state.
With countries, you can't go to any country.
eddie bravo
Try getting in Japan.
I mean, Japan, I mean...
joe rogan
We're trying to get in there.
bryan callen
They took like 10 Syrians, I think, or something.
brendan schaub
What did you say?
bryan callen
The Japanese took like 10 Syrians.
eddie bravo
Try getting into Canada.
brendan schaub
Try that.
Try getting into Canada.
eddie bravo
That's way harder than the United States.
bryan callen
They have a very liberal immigration policy.
brendan schaub
No, Canada's actually a beast to live in because the celebrity's like, oh, I'm so sick of America's ways.
I'm headed to Canada.
eddie bravo
If you have a DUI, they won't let you in.
joe rogan
It's true.
brendan schaub
It's a beast.
unidentified
A DUI. If you have a DUI, they won't let you in.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Boys, let's wrap this bitch up.
brendan schaub
Let's wrap this up.
joe rogan
It's 3.20.
We watched a couple of fights.
I feel like you watched.
brendan schaub
I'm in New York next Friday, Saturday.
joe rogan
Are you doing stand-up comedy in New York City?
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Are you doing Gotham Comedy Club?
brendan schaub
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
I love that spot.
brendan schaub
Thank you.
joe rogan
Such a great place.
eddie bravo
Can I throw a plug?
joe rogan
Tfatk.com?
brendan schaub
Yes, and then shoot my one-hour showtime special.
joe rogan
January 19th.
brendan schaub
January 19th, San Diego.
unidentified
That's right, motherfucker.
eddie bravo
Tinfoil hat comedy, Chicago, December 15th at Zany's.
Me and Sam Tripoli are going to throw down.
joe rogan
Website?
unidentified
Website?
eddie bravo
Just Zany's in Chicago.
joe rogan
Oh, he doesn't have like a tinfoilhopcomedy.com or something like that?
bryan callen
I'll be at the Irvine Improv for New Year's!
Yeah!
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Irvine's that fucking new spot.
Sweet.
brendan schaub
I heard it's really sweet.
unidentified
It's phenomenal.
brendan schaub
You went to it?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, I've done it.
Yeah, I love it.
eddie bravo
Is it bigger than the last one?
joe rogan
Well, how new is it?
unidentified
Did it move again?
brendan schaub
Oh, no.
Brea is all new.
Brea is big now.
Brea is all new.
joe rogan
I'm talking Irvine's been like this for like four years.
unidentified
Irvine's great.
brendan schaub
The spectrum's great.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's dope.
Cal shot a special there.
joe rogan
That's right, bitch.
I was there.
Okay, fuck.
I was there before you even did comedy, son.
bryan callen
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
I was in the back.
joe rogan
You hadn't done comedy yet.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
That's right.
Dude, you were in the crowd.
unidentified
Fuck.
brendan schaub
No, I was in the back.
joe rogan
You were in the crowd at one show, I think, weren't you?
bryan callen
Yeah, he was in the crowd.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, I was in the back, then went to the crowd.
joe rogan
Yeah, because I opened up for crazy.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
unidentified
Love you.
joe rogan
We love you guys, and girls, and everybody else.
eddie bravo
You guys don't want to go see Tito Chuck Liddell?
Lie down?
unidentified
No?
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