July 10, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Four, three, two, one. | ||
| Stylebender, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Salute, sir. | ||
| Congratulations, man. | ||
| Dude, your fight Friday night was what you would call a coming out party. | ||
| Yeah, in America. | ||
| People got to see. | ||
| First fight in Vegas, first main event, first top 10 guy. | ||
| And I feel like I got to shut a lot of people up because before that fight, a lot of people were like, shit, it's too much, it's too soon. | ||
| The hype. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, oh, he's this and that. | ||
| For me, I wouldn't take insult to it because they don't know. | ||
| You can't fault them for it. | ||
| Well, you did a smart thing in the way you handled your transition to MMA, too. | ||
| I mean, you really took your time and did it right. | ||
| You and I talked for the first time about this, how many years ago? | ||
| 2015, I think. | ||
| You hit me up on Instagram and said, you know, when am I going to call one of your fights? | ||
| And I was like, yeah, we'll take our time. | ||
| Because my coach, he's the mastermind behind all this, Eugene Behrman. | ||
| Without him, my career would be in the shitter. | ||
| So he kind of let, just take our time. | ||
| There's no rush. | ||
| Smart way to do it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Because you see, like, looking for a fight. | ||
| Guys like, for example, Sage Nortcutt, he's been up and down in the UFC fight, you know, like his rise and stuff like that. | ||
| But you have to, you can't just come in here with, like, maybe three fights, unless maybe, like, a Mickey Gall, who also has extensive background in something else, like jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, yeah, I took my time, fought around the world, fought different body types, different styles, and And then eventually, I think the UFC were like, okay, what do you want? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Like, let's go. | ||
| Well, you built up a lot of hype outside. | ||
| You built up some hype kickboxing, you built up some hype in MMA, but you built up a lot of internet hype. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was a lot of highlight videos made of you and people were like, oh shit, look at this guy. | ||
| And then dudes were breaking down your videos, like breaking down technique, like look how he sets this up. | ||
| There was one that, was it Brendan Dorman? | ||
| Who did it recently? | ||
| Was it Lawrence Kenshin? | ||
| No, maybe it was Brendan Dorman. | ||
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No. | |
| I saw one yesterday. | ||
| Yeah, Brendan Dorman. | ||
| He did one where you set that dude up and then left high kicked him? | ||
| Oh no, that was a Lauren Kenshin. | ||
| It was Kenshin? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Dude, those guys are so important. | ||
| Fun fact about that kick, we're drilling it. | ||
| Eugene taught it to me, that set up probably seven days before. | ||
| And he said, if this lands, it's a finisher. | ||
| He said that. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Whatever. | ||
| And then in the fight, something happened and I didn't even think about it. | ||
| Just boom. | ||
| And it landed. | ||
| And I hurt my foot on his head, actually. | ||
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Whew! | |
| I actually hurt my foot, because that was the third fight of the night, so it was a tournament, so the final fight, and I hurt my foot in his head, and I was like, okay. | ||
| Because you kind of see me limp a little bit, then I went in on him and just, yeah, finished it off. | ||
| That was a beautiful high kick, man. | ||
| The way you set it up was so interesting, too, because you forced him into this weird battle of erratic movement. | ||
| Like, you did a lot of this with him. | ||
| You got to take care of this first. | ||
| A lot of guys think, like, with Farah Sahabi, what he said, take care of this, scramble your brain. | ||
| Dude, for us, a hobby, he's a treasure. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| He's a treasure. | ||
| I like the way he thinks. | ||
| I listen to that podcast, and yeah, when he said that, I was like, that's what we do. | ||
| I like to make these guys second-guess themselves, like, just get stuck, like, okay, he's right here. | ||
| Like, okay, I got to reset right here. | ||
| Okay, cool, cool. | ||
| Just got jabbed and then they just get flustered and they can talk all this stuff like oh we're gonna do this and this and that right and it's different when you see it on TV but when you're in because I've had it done to me I've got teammates that do it to me all the time if I'm not on my game they do it to me I'm like so this is what it feels like I don't want to be on the other side of that so if you come in overtrained yeah like Dan Hooker will catch me on some days Dan Hooker's a beast bro that's my guy bro he's a serious dude Like, | ||
| I don't know, three weeks, Shane Young in Singapore, myself, Friday night, and Dan Hooker on Saturday. | ||
| Dan Hooker's one of them never celebrating the Octagon guys either. | ||
| He's all angry, even after he wins. | ||
| I call him Vegeta. | ||
| I call him Vegeta. | ||
| Remember in, was it 219? | ||
| He looked at you, he told me, he didn't even mean to, but he looked at you, he's like, do you know who I am now? | ||
| And threw his mouth guard at the cage, but he said it went through the cage and hit you in the chest or something. | ||
| Is that what he said to me? | ||
| Do you know who I am now? | ||
| I knew who he was. | ||
| Of course you did, but it's because the UFC wasn't really like, you know, Yeah, I get it. | ||
| That's just because he's so ambitious. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| But I don't have nothing to do with that. | ||
| Yeah, of course, I know. | ||
| Third party. | ||
| All I do is sit down and call fights. | ||
| Me and him go at it. | ||
| Me, Carlos, me, John Vaque, BJ Bland. | ||
| People don't know yet. | ||
| I've told them like... | ||
| When K1 was the pinnacle of combat sports, right? | ||
| New Zealand, Australasia was on top. | ||
| You had Ray Seffo, Mark Hunt, Doug Viney, Jason Vinemore, Jordan Tai. | ||
| Guys from that side of the world running it. | ||
| And other sides of the world as well. | ||
| But I felt like we fell off. | ||
| And then New Zealand combat sports kind of took a little lull for a few years, a long time. | ||
| And now we're doing it again. | ||
| Guys like me, Dan, Shane, Kai. | ||
| We're about to take it to the next level and then bring NZ Sports again all the way up. | ||
| Well, you know, what's interesting is that New Zealand in particular, like, you guys, there's something about having you guys come over here, and there's not, like, a long history where people think of, you know, like, New Zealand MMA fighters, but New Zealand kickboxers. | ||
| I mean, it's one of the most rich environments. | ||
| Like, think about all the different high-level kickboxers that came out of New Zealand, or Australia for that matter. | ||
| Australia in general. | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| Crazy number of, like, really high-level kickboxers. | ||
| When I came to help Rumble with his camp for Jon Jones, because Rashad linked it up and said, you should come help us out, and I said, yeah, sure. | ||
| So I went to Black Zillions when it was still around, and I was surprised. | ||
| I was like, man, the stand-up in America is not even close on our level. | ||
| The grappling, the wrestling, because you guys have it in schools, and all the Brazilians come here and open schools and stuff like that, but... | ||
| The stand-up was not on our level. | ||
| So I told Eugene that, and he's like, good. | ||
| I wanted you to know that, because Doug had the same thing when he went to Vegas. | ||
| And then he saw, like, man, these guys, their stand-up's not really on our level. | ||
| So we've always had that. | ||
| I don't know where it comes from. | ||
| There's, like, a whole lineage of it. | ||
| Even Ray Sefer, we come from the same school. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, BLG school, but... | ||
| Yeah, grappling and stuff, I feel like we were behind at first because of the internet. | ||
| We get seminars and shit like that. | ||
| I've got obsessive trainers like Adam Johnson. | ||
| He's my jiu-jitsu coach in a way, and he's just obsessed. | ||
| So they're constantly upgrading everything. | ||
| I think it went from... | ||
| I didn't really get to use my jiu-jitsu much a little bit in that fight, but the takedown defense, that's all Andre as well, my wrestling coach. | ||
| He's a Romanian guy. | ||
| So we don't need to... | ||
| Go anywhere else. | ||
| I feel like we've got people where we are. | ||
| We're stacked enough to be able to level up and compete with the rest of the world. | ||
| Well, if you've got someone like Dan Hooker in your camp, just that alone. | ||
| When you have guys like you and him together, that's what forces everybody to the next level. | ||
| And everybody around you will rise up too. | ||
| They'll see what you're doing. | ||
| They'll see your fight with Tavares. | ||
| They'll see some of your fights online. | ||
| They'll see you in the gym. | ||
| And when you have a guy like that in the gym, I've always experienced this in jujitsu and everything else. | ||
| Everybody else's level rises up to try to catch up to that guy. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Because all they see, like you guys, what the world sees is just us on TV. And then they see like the highlights, the cool stuff. | ||
| But my teammates get to see me fuck up all the time. | ||
| They see me get my licks. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So when they see all that stuff, then they see me on the world stage kicking ass. | ||
| They're like, man, of course I can do this. | ||
| Like Brad, Brad Riddell, bad-ass kickboxer, world champion, one of my teammates, a little angry panda. | ||
| But he's, yeah, he's making his moves to MMA now, right now. | ||
| But he's another one of those guys that he... | ||
| And kickboxing doesn't really do it for him. | ||
| He's built like a Chad Mendes type guy. | ||
| Short, stocky, pretty thick. | ||
| And he can wrestle. | ||
| But no one knows it yet. | ||
| So whenever he comes into MMA or the UFC, then everyone's going to be like, okay, take him down. | ||
| Let's see what can happen. | ||
| But yeah, they find out eventually. | ||
| There's guys from that section of the world. | ||
| I mean, you really stop and think about between New Zealand and Australia, how many world-class kickboxers? | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Yeah, and they've run through, not just from this era, but even back in the day. | ||
| Right, Dennis Alexio, right? | ||
| He wasn't? | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, for me, we're kickboxing. | ||
| Or is he from Hawaii? | ||
| I know, like, say, up to Ray Seffel's days, like Mark Hunt, but I never really invested in K1 back in the day. | ||
| I think I'm thinking of Stan Longinitis. | ||
| I think Stan Longinitis was from Australia. | ||
| But I know there's a deep, rooted history in kickboxing in Australia and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What happened there? | ||
| How'd that get started? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Crazy! | ||
| If you want to speak to someone, Eugene would be the guy, or Tojo. | ||
| They're the guys that have the history, just up here. | ||
| But for me, I just came in and I enjoyed it and I jumped in the pool. | ||
| Well, from the United States, there are some big kickboxing camps, but also you get a lot of guys who've come here from Holland and from other kickboxing-rich places. | ||
| Like Harry Hooft. | ||
| He's another guy right now. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And of course, guys who fought over there and came over here like Alistair and guys who entered into MMA. It is interesting that for MMA gyms, there's a certain level of striking. | ||
| And then you see a Nicky Holtzkin will come and start training with those guys. | ||
| He was there when I was there. | ||
| I was watching, yeah, a little bit of his sparring. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| What's happening to him now? | ||
| I haven't seen him in a while. | ||
| I think he's boxing now. | ||
| For real? | ||
| Yeah, I think he's decided that there's more money in boxing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, he's winning some. | ||
| He's got good hands as well. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He's got a nasty left hook. | ||
| Yeah, that body rip. | ||
| Yeah, I like his style. | ||
| But I think kickboxing, like... | ||
| If I wanted to take the boxing blueprint, I could have done that because I'm 6-1 in boxing as well. | ||
| So I could have done that and just got built up, fight the cans, fight some champions, local champions, some national champions, and eventually on the world stage. | ||
| But for me, I just... | ||
| I never wanted to feel vulnerable. | ||
| I never wanted to feel like another guy could kick my ass in another... | ||
| Just like, you know, Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| They're about to do this fight with McGregor Part 2. And they had all these stupid rules like, okay, no... | ||
| I think that was all fake. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| But like, even the idea of it, I'm like, if you're gonna do it, just jump in. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| It's like, okay, you're a man. | ||
| Like, yo, fuck you. | ||
| We're gonna do it. | ||
| Man to man. | ||
| But no kickstone, no kickstone, no knees, no elbows. | ||
| And I had that, like, it's just, I don't understand. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| If you want to prove you're the best fighter, you have to fight people from other codes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And at the UFC, that's the highest level, you know? | ||
| Have you entered into any wrestling competition or jiu-jitsu competition? | ||
| Grappling competitions, I have. | ||
| I normally place. | ||
| Submission grappling? | ||
| Yeah, submission. | ||
| I've never been first, but I'm like either second, third, or somewhere else. | ||
| But yeah, I've only ever done maybe four or five of my career. | ||
| You have a specialty, though. | ||
| And I've always felt like guys who have a specialty, if they can get to a certain amount of good at this other thing without abandoning their skills as a specialty, they're always going to have that giant advantage. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's just the same thing. | ||
| Whatever got them to what they're good at in, say, boxing, wrestling, they can do the same thing. | ||
| Like, Gary Tonin, what was the fight? | ||
| He had one FC or one championship and knocked the guy with the one-two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That wasn't a jiu-jitsu style punch. | ||
| That wasn't like an amateur, like a guy who's never striked before. | ||
| He actually looked like he was flowing well with a stand-up. | ||
| And that's because the same thing happens in jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Whatever made him great at grappling can make him great at stand-up as well. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I mean, obviously, there's the added element of getting hit that some people can't psychologically handle as well. | ||
| Yeah, we know those. | ||
| Yeah, it makes a big difference. | ||
| I used to be, but then, like, now I watch my fight after it happened, and I look. | ||
| I keep looking at what's happening. | ||
| I'm searching for people. | ||
| I'm searching for shots or whatever, but a lot of people kind of like either flare, close up, or they not turn away, but like they just try to use the wall. | ||
| And you can't really use that in MMA because the gloves, they don't help. | ||
| But in kickboxing, you can just like... | ||
| Right. | ||
| I saw you were there in LA when I fought for the Glory World title. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That kind of style, like... | ||
| You can just juggernaut walk down and beat the legs or whatever. | ||
| With those big pads. | ||
| Exactly, the big gloves. | ||
| You can still find your ways around them. | ||
| The ring was, probably if you put three of these tables together, that was the ring. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| They're trying to rope you in? | ||
| I cracked the cord. | ||
| I was able to get my footwork around them. | ||
| Even this cage was big enough for people. | ||
| Was the cage smaller? | ||
| I was like, yeah, but it was big enough for me. | ||
| The thing about that palms cage that I really like is I feel like it's the right size. | ||
| I like the setup. | ||
| I feel like the regular UFC cage is big, and I like that it's big, but it might be too big. | ||
| That cage wasn't too big for me. | ||
| It was small, but it wasn't like, oh my god, yeah, like in the phone booth or anything. | ||
| No, I mean, it looked like you had a lot better than a kickboxing ring. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| I mean, think about that. | ||
| It's very rare you get a boxing ring that has anywhere near the kind of distance from corner to corner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the UFC, there's some pros and cons, I think. | ||
| But it's a con when it's a fight like Ngannou vs. | ||
| Derrick Lewis. | ||
| That's when it's a con. | ||
| I have a video of me before that fight yelling, somebody's gonna die! | ||
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I know! | |
| Dude, coming at that fight, when I saw Francis weight 253, I was like, oh shit, he's in shape. | ||
| He looked jacked. | ||
| He looked jacked. | ||
| He looked like he took it very fucking serious. | ||
| I thought he was going to realize that he got out-wrestled and out-conditioned. | ||
| He's going to come back guns blazing and try to put a beating on Derrick Lewis. | ||
| He was so tentative. | ||
| Even with a fight like Stephen Wardenboy Thompson and Darren Till, that fight, people were like, it was boring. | ||
| I was like, hell no. | ||
| Like, I enjoyed that fight. | ||
| It was just small margin for error. | ||
| Two stand-up guys who, you know, you can understand the game where it's like the full placement, you know, feints, all that kind of shit. | ||
| And then people were like, you know, that sucked. | ||
| I was like, well, you don't understand, you know, striking on that level. | ||
| But that Derrick Lewis fight... | ||
| And Francesa was like, I tried, and it was just, yeah. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was the number two least amount of strikes landed ever in a three-round fight. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| And they're both beasts. | ||
| They're both motherfuckers. | ||
| I know. | ||
| They've both been in crazy fights. | ||
| They've both been in nothing but exciting fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except for, you know, some brief moments. | ||
| So it's just a psychological issue, I guess. | ||
| Who knows, man? | ||
| He said it was too, like, if he had, like, PTSD from his last fight, like, shit, I don't want to, like, get hurt again or whatever. | ||
| And he took a beating in that last fight as well. | ||
| He did. | ||
| People don't realize he did. | ||
| He got fucked up in that fight. | ||
| Five rounds. | ||
| What people don't see is how he felt after six hours later, ten hours later, 24 hours later, when his head's pounding and he's got to close all the drapes. | ||
| Yeah, no light. | ||
| It's life, huh? | ||
| I want to be a fighter. | ||
| He's only been doing it for five years. | ||
| That's what's really crazy. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| I'm the runt of my people. | ||
| You go to Nigeria, there's literally pics of the litter. | ||
| When I went back there, I'm like, you should not be playing football. | ||
| Big money in it, but... | ||
| I think, like, MMA, you can just grab any of those kids and give them some boxing gloves, show them how to sprawl, show them how to wrestle, and they're a beast. | ||
| Ten in Gunners, ten Jon Joneses just walking down the street. | ||
| I had the same size head, and I was just a skinny boy, so I looked like a lollipop. | ||
| I was a runt, bro, honestly. | ||
| Like, just a runt of the little boy. | ||
| I had to work. | ||
| I had to develop. | ||
| I think maybe, like, around 15, I started to get taller. | ||
| So every time I'd come back from school or from a holiday after school, I was like, there you go, taller. | ||
| And then somehow I just filled it out, realized I got athleticism, and then later on, like, I was never the athletic kid playing basketball or anything like that. | ||
| I was just the runt. | ||
| When did you get into martial arts? | ||
| I started in Taekwondo when I was a kid, just because after school programs and it was fun. | ||
| Such a good one for kids, man. | ||
| Yeah, it was fun. | ||
| That's why I liked it. | ||
| All that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, it was cool. | ||
| But, yeah, and then I think I almost got my yellow belt. | ||
| Then my mom kind of pulled me out because I was just wrecking shop around the house, kicking everything. | ||
| I broke my arm doing backflips off the couch. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| And she was just like, nah, no more. | ||
| And, yeah, I found Ong Bak, the Tony Jaa film. | ||
| I found that maybe in 2008. Yeah, 2008, early 2008. I found that when I was about 18. And I was like, yo, this is cool. | ||
| I don't know what this is. | ||
| And then I found that was Muay Thai. | ||
| Found a Muay Thai gym. | ||
| And then six weeks later, I had my first fight. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I found a video of that first fight, actually. | ||
| I'll throw it up one day. | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| 18. I was 18. Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I'm glad. | ||
| People are like, oh, isn't that a little bit too late? | ||
| But I'm glad that happened because I didn't feel like I was worn out. | ||
| Because I've seen some kids who, protégés, fighting from like the age of 12 or 10. And then, you know, like in those smoking shows. | ||
| And then like, they get to a certain point and they just like, I want to do something else. | ||
| Not all of them, some of them. | ||
| Sometimes they come back as well, but sometimes they just find, I'm sick of this, you know, I want to do something else. | ||
| You find that a lot with like sons of trainers. | ||
| Yeah, it was actually the son of one of my first trainers and he's doing something else now. | ||
| But yeah, for me, I think 18 was a good year, like good age to start and I just felt fresh. | ||
| It was something I wanted to do. | ||
| After my first fight, I was just chasing that again, that feeling. | ||
| Because I've always been a dancer as well, so I like that roar of the crowd. | ||
| So after my first fight again, people were like, bro, that was sick. | ||
| And I'm like, what the fuck did I do? | ||
| I don't remember it. | ||
| You just went into a zone? | ||
| Yeah, bro, I was scared. | ||
| The guy looked like David Tua. | ||
| You know when David Tua had that haircut? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was not 80 kgs. | ||
| He was probably like maybe 92. What is 92 in... | ||
| Pounds. | ||
| Okay, maybe 205. So 80 cages would have been like, say, 175 or something. | ||
| So he was way overweight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But my trainer kind of just, he was a crazy dude. | ||
| So he just let it go. | ||
| And you have to realize, at a certain point I realized, okay, this is not the guy to get me to that level I want to be. | ||
| So I left and I moved to Auckland, the main city. | ||
| Was your trainer encouraging brawls too much? | ||
| He wanted me to fight his style. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| He'd always tell me, you need to have your hands up. | ||
| He was a real purist of Muay Thai, so he wanted me to have that sway and stuff like that. | ||
| And that's the difference between someone that wants you to fight like them and someone like Eugene, my coach. | ||
| When he first saw me, he was like, cool. | ||
| We can work with that. | ||
| He never tried to make me fight like him. | ||
| He never tried to make me do anything like this guy. | ||
| He just said, okay, I want you to jab like this. | ||
| It would almost be like trying to get someone to write songs like the songs they write. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is expression. | ||
| This is art. | ||
| Let me do me. | ||
| And it really is. | ||
| And he could never understand it. | ||
| He was like, put your hands up. | ||
| And people still say, get your hands up. | ||
| I'm like, that's textbook. | ||
| I don't read the textbook. | ||
| I had to look at it. | ||
| It was all right. | ||
| I like the balance I feel when I'm over here. | ||
| Like my takedowns, I was able to stuff them because my hands are already low. | ||
| And I can still shell up when I need to. | ||
| I can still fire hands up when I need to, but I like my hands down. | ||
| There's a different consideration when you have to stop takedowns. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Even in kickboxing, my hands were always down a lot of the times. | ||
| Having the ability to get an underhook or double underhooks quickly. | ||
| But in kickboxing, the thing is... | ||
| I like my jab from there, from the low. | ||
| Right, can't see where it's going. | ||
| There's definitely pros and cons to everything, but a guy who's got the kind of speed that you have can take advantage many times more of having hands low. | ||
| It really depends. | ||
| I mean, look at Roy Jones. | ||
| How the fuck do you say hands down's no good? | ||
| Roy Jones Jr. kept his hands down all the time. | ||
| And he had the eyes as well. | ||
| I think you can train the eyes. | ||
| I always had quick reflexes, but I think you can train the eyes in certain ways. | ||
| Roy could just land that lead left hook like a jab. | ||
| And he throws his shoulder out of it. | ||
| He would just snap in there, man. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I remember that one with the four right hooks. | ||
| He hit that guy with... | ||
| Remember he had giant biceps? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he didn't have big triceps. | ||
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Nah. | |
| Like everything was hooks. | ||
| It was all like from throwing punches in the back. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Most people were always leading with jabs as well. | ||
| So that would never help him. | ||
| Lead left hook. | ||
| That was something different at the time that no one could figure out. | ||
| They couldn't crack the code. | ||
| Roy Jones Jr. in his prime. | ||
| It's like his song, Y'all Must Have Forgot. | ||
| Oh, they forgot. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Y'all Must Have Forgot. | ||
| That was his song. | ||
| Because people did forget. | ||
| But the first boxer I ever saw when I was a kid, because I never really watched fights. | ||
| I was playing with sticks, toys, whatever, making my own shit. | ||
| But I saw Prince Nassim Hamed, and I remember this when I was about four. | ||
| Because I've always seen boxing on TV. But he was the first boxer I saw that just made me pause and watch and just smile and laugh. | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| Oh, he was doing crazy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just because the way he moved. | ||
| And guys have always... | ||
| I've always been drawing to guys like that. | ||
| Like Ali. | ||
| Even Rashad when he was in his prime doing his thing. | ||
| Roy Jones, you know. | ||
| Like Pernod Whitaker, Sweet Pea. | ||
| Dude, people forgot about Whitaker. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It slept on him. | ||
| That shoulder roll. | ||
| I mean, he was a master at that. | ||
| Before, we really saw it from Mayweather. | ||
| Mayweather, obviously, has mastered it better than anybody. | ||
| He gets hit less than anybody that's ever lived. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You think about the fact that guy is 50-0, and really, I mean, you think about... | ||
| Still talks well, doesn't... | ||
| Talks great! | ||
| Can count. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Conor clipped him with one left hand, like, real clean, and that was it. | ||
| The uppercut. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he hit him with a couple other punches, but none of them were, like, dangerous. | ||
| He rolled with them. | ||
| Yeah, he rolled with everything. | ||
| I fucked up in my fight, because I... At one point after I felt his jab, I was like, you know what? | ||
| I can just close the distance a little bit more. | ||
| And then that's how I got this shiner right here. | ||
| But the right hands, this right side's fine because I was just rolling with a lot of them. | ||
| I was rolling with a lot of them. | ||
| So you just underestimated his jab? | ||
| I underestimated his head movement at first. | ||
| So in the beginning, he was moving away from my jab. | ||
| And then Eugene said, all right, drop it down. | ||
| Drop it down to the chin a little bit. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| But eventually I could adjust. | ||
| I think from round two, I figured out the range. | ||
| But his jab... | ||
| It wasn't as powerful as I assumed it would be, so I thought, oh, I can just take and give. | ||
| And that's how I got the shine. | ||
| I ran into one of them. | ||
| But, yeah, it was a big mistake. | ||
| Silly mistake. | ||
| So, on the same card, Uriah Hall fought Paulo Costa. | ||
| A lot of people are thinking that might be the next fight for you. | ||
| I told Dana. | ||
| Funny story. | ||
| So, we went to... | ||
| After my fight, I chilled in my hotel room, just hung out with my boys. | ||
| But then after Dan's fight, we went out, and someone told me, oh, Dana's in this club. | ||
| He's the same. | ||
| I was like, oh, cool. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| And when I got some money, and I was talking to the guy that led me, and then, because he found out I'm a UFC fighter, he just led me to the private room, and I see McMahon, and I'm like, what the hell? | ||
| And then we just start yarning, talking to people, and he's like, I'll introduce you to Dana. | ||
| And I finally meet Dana properly, and we start talking. | ||
| And I drop this name in there. | ||
| I say, yeah, I want to fight Paula next. | ||
| And he's like, hmm. | ||
| They have other ideas. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But they've done this a long time. | ||
| They're promoters. | ||
| So I think what they want is me being a bigger name, Paul being a bigger name, and we fight like in some super fight. | ||
| And I can see why that. | ||
| But for me, I want to take him out now. | ||
| He just knocked out Riara Hall, who was talking mad shit as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I want to take him out now. | ||
| We'll probably fight again. | ||
| We'll probably fight more than once. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| How long does the UFC career last? | ||
| Me and him will probably fight more than once. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that as well. | ||
| I was very impressed with him versus Uriah Hall. | ||
| It's interesting because the contrast between your fight on Friday night and his fight on Saturday night. | ||
| That was just a brawl, like a technical brawl. | ||
| He got hit with a lot of jabs, but he is a relentless, marauding motherfucker. | ||
| That guy, he's very aggressive. | ||
| Yeah, and this thing is footwork. | ||
| Uriah Hall, I was watching him. | ||
| Why are you right there? | ||
| It's easy to look good against someone who just sits right there like a punching bag, you know? | ||
| Uriah had tremendous potential when we saw him in The Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| We all saw it. | ||
| But it also might be similar to what you were talking about with Sage Northcutt, who I also think still has tremendous potential and still very young. | ||
| I think there's an approach to take that you took that I think is really smart. | ||
| You know where I got it from? | ||
| One of the talk shows, UFC talk shows, Kenny Florin just said it. | ||
| He said, get your experience outside the UFC before you go into the UFC. Wise words. | ||
| Ten fights, nine fights, and just like fight a lot of good guys. | ||
| Not just like, you know, Listen to me, man. | ||
| You don't want to fight you on your second fight, right? | ||
| Imagine you're a guy, you could throw a couple good punches, you think you're a badass, and then your stupid coach says, okay, you're going to fight this guy. | ||
| They call him the style bender. | ||
| Like, oh, okay, okay, okay. | ||
| Yeah, I'll fuck up and do anybody, bro. | ||
| I'll fight anybody. | ||
| I'll fight for the title. | ||
| That's my mentality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those guys, they get lit up, and they don't understand. | ||
| They really don't understand. | ||
| Jump in the pool too quick. | ||
| I had a conversation with a friend of mine who was a jiu-jitsu. | ||
| He was a badass jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And he said he was going to go into MMA. And I'm like, okay, how long have you been training striking? | ||
| And he's like, well, you know, he goes for the last four months pretty regularly. | ||
| Four months. | ||
| I go, Are you out of your fucking mind? | ||
| I go, listen to me, man. | ||
| He was a black belt in jujitsu. | ||
| Like, nasty on the ground. | ||
| I go, think about what you could do. | ||
| If I was a white belt and I came in here and I didn't know shit and I was like a strong guy who maybe, you know, played basketball or something like that. | ||
| I was just athletic and I tried to fight you. | ||
| How bad would you fuck me up on the ground? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Now, think of someone doing the exact same thing like that to you with stand-up. | ||
| Because you don't understand that there are guys who can do that to you. | ||
| There's levels to this. | ||
| Tyrone Spong, there's you, there's these high-level kickboxers that you don't have a chance. | ||
| You think you have a chance because you're fast. | ||
| You don't have a chance. | ||
| You're gonna get hit. | ||
| You're gonna get fucked up and you're gonna get hit multiple times and they're gonna chip away at you until they decide to move in for the kill and then they're gonna fuck you up. | ||
| There's not a damn thing you could do about it. | ||
| And it's almost the same As him grabbing a white belt, letting him flail around, and then eventually choking him. | ||
| It's an inevitable thing. | ||
| But the weird thing is some people don't see that. | ||
| They don't see that someone could do to them in a certain art that they don't study. | ||
| Objectivity. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| For me, I'm always thinking in anything, why am I doing this? | ||
| Why am I feeling this way? | ||
| And that's why I said I moved to MMA because I just know I want to be the best. | ||
| I could have been the best kickboxer ever. | ||
| I could have been the best boxer as well. | ||
| But I just thought... | ||
| No one is a guy who could fuck you up in an MMA fight. | ||
| No, just on the ground. | ||
| I've seen so many street fights. | ||
| So many street fights, I'm like, dude, just push your knee down. | ||
| Just holding each other and just hitting, hitting. | ||
| I'm like, you can easily just choke the guy right now if you knew what you were doing. | ||
| That's what makes a champion. | ||
| 80% of street fights end up on the ground and people don't know what they're doing. | ||
| So I just felt like I never want to be in a situation where a guy gets me in an alleyway and tries to fuck me up and just snap my ankle or some shit. | ||
| But I just feel like I want to be able to Be well versed. | ||
| Take care of all areas. | ||
| And I'll probably never get there, but I'll die trying. | ||
| Well, how old are you now? | ||
| 28. I'll be 29 in a few years. | ||
| You're still literally, you're still at least a year away or two years away from your supposed physical prime, right? | ||
| An athlete, they say that for a professional athlete, obviously they say, what does that mean? | ||
| Everybody's different. | ||
| But there's something around age 30 to 32 where your mind and body catch up and you have a window there. | ||
| Like Anderson Silva when he was like 30 to 32. Woo! | ||
| Just going. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| Longest reign. | ||
| You would watch him and just put your hands to your head and go, Jesus. | ||
| The first one I saw live was UFC 90. He fought Patrick Cote. | ||
| Oh, that was an interesting one. | ||
| Yeah, but for me, that first round, he used probably seven different styles to just hit him. | ||
| And then, I keep saying he used telekinesis on his knee. | ||
| He just blowed it out. | ||
| Patrick had a fucked up knee going into that fight, I think. | ||
| Already, yeah. | ||
| It's hard to tell, but it just seemed like he gave out. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| He just stood on it and just like, ah, fucked up. | ||
| I think he went to throw a front kick and it just buckled on him and popped out. | ||
| Yeah, but that fight, that first round, the way he just handled him, I was like... | ||
| That. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the guy. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It really did open up the recipe to giving Anderson trouble, though. | ||
| Because the recipe to giving Anderson trouble... | ||
| Talos Latis opened it up, and so did Patrick Coté. | ||
| No, but the real key was, don't engage. | ||
| Because if you chase after him, he's gonna fuck you up. | ||
| Counter-striker. | ||
| Forrest Griffin, all these different people that came at him, for sure Chris Lieben. | ||
| That was the recipe for disaster. | ||
| I mean, when I saw that fight on paper, I was like, oh, this is crazy. | ||
| You got a guy who's like the most reckless, iron-chinned marauder in the UFC, and you're putting up him against a guy who's like a ninja. | ||
| This is going to be crazy. | ||
| This is a perfect fight. | ||
| It was a perfect fight in terms of like you want to see like the effectiveness of like high-level timing speed and perfect technique like woo! | ||
| Yeah, and the way he did it as well was clean. | ||
| I think he only got hit once that fight. | ||
| He landed like 100% of his shots in that fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And that's our style. | ||
| I was a counter-striker at first. | ||
| That's when I started. | ||
| I was always like, I'll wait for guys to come in. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| I remember calling this and I remember telling people because I was afraid. | ||
| I was a fan of Anderson's from watching him fight in England. | ||
| Look at that jab. | ||
| Look at that bounce. | ||
| I love that bounce. | ||
| I was a fan of watching him fight in England in Cage Rage and watching him fight in Pride. | ||
| And I remember saying this, ladies and gentlemen, this is a different kind of striker. | ||
| This is one of the first times you've got a high level... | ||
| Look at the looks he's giving him as well. | ||
| The shoulder faints. | ||
| And the lightness of his feet, man. | ||
| The lightness. | ||
| It's that bounce. | ||
| He's on. | ||
| People forget, man. | ||
| Look how good he is. | ||
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| He's already... | ||
| He's over. | ||
| Yeah, ping, ping. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| Wait for him to get up again. | ||
| And that knee. | ||
| Ping, ping, ping. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Ping, ping. | ||
| This is beautiful, bro. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Almost every shot lands. | ||
| He's not getting hit. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And it's over. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| And Chris was a beast, man. | ||
| He could take a shot. | ||
| He could take it all the time. | ||
| There was one with a guy who rocked him. | ||
| And as he's moving back, as he's hurt, and he drops the guy, knocks him out. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Cold. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Chris could take a tremendous shot. | ||
| He had unbelievable heart. | ||
| But Anderson, I feel like in that, that's my argument for Anderson being the GOAT. Yeah. | ||
| There's moments that he had. | ||
| It's him and Fedor, right? | ||
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| I saw this kid the other day after my fight. | ||
| I didn't wreck it. | ||
| I was like, in the elevator, I was like... | ||
| You're Anderson's son. | ||
| He's like, yeah, baby goat. | ||
| But the only other person is the current guy, is Mighty Mouse. | ||
| The only argument against Mighty Mouse is he's cleaned out division now. | ||
| He doesn't have a Chris Weidman, you know, a guy who's trying to fuck him up. | ||
| He doesn't have, like, someone who you really give a chance to. | ||
| Someone on his level, quote-unquote. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, there's never been a situation where, like, Mighty Mouse... | ||
| Mighty Mouse had a Chael Sonnen who had him down on points in the fourth round, fucking him up, and then he catches him in a triangle. | ||
| Not that flyweight. | ||
| Flyweight, and he dominates, man. | ||
| He just runs through people. | ||
| Is he going to fight, what's his name? | ||
| Cejudo. | ||
| He's fighting Cejudo in a rematch, which he stopped. | ||
| He's got better. | ||
| Cejudo got better since the first fight. | ||
| Yeah, so who does Olympic gold medals in wrestling? | ||
| That's all you need to know. | ||
| And his stand-up as well is clean. | ||
| He's kind of improved. | ||
| I'll give him credit. | ||
| The Wilson Hayes fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He looked like Machida. | ||
| I like the flow, yeah. | ||
| He was crazy. | ||
| He was almost like McGregor or Machida. | ||
| He had that sideways stance. | ||
| Yeah, it was weird. | ||
| So he can learn fast. | ||
| That's another guy. | ||
| Great at wrestling. | ||
| Transfer that greatness into learning stand-up. | ||
| And now it's just mixing them together. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Like GSB did. | ||
| Just learning how to mesh them together without... | ||
| Getting stuck or thinking too much. | ||
| Just flowing with it. | ||
| That's the key, I think. | ||
| Particularly the Wilson Hayes fight because it showed that he can adjust his style pretty radically. | ||
| When he walked out like this, I remember going, whoa, what is this? | ||
| This is karate, man. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Game credit where credit is due. | ||
| Well, again, when you're a gold medalist in the Olympics in wrestling, that's a special kind of human being. | ||
| That's next level. | ||
| It's just a special kind of human being. | ||
| Even the wrestling training I do now, I'm like, fuck, sometimes. | ||
| We have on Wednesdays. | ||
| On Wednesdays, it's VO2max. | ||
| We call it Rape Wrestle Wednesday just because it's like Airdyne and then wrestling. | ||
| It's two minutes on the Airdyne, going hard with the heart rate monitor, trying to get to the red zone. | ||
| And then wrestling for two minutes, trying to get to the red zone. | ||
| And shout out to Kevin. | ||
| Kevin Bentley. | ||
| He's the guy that shot on me the most this camp. | ||
| So, you know, my hips were on point because every time I'd like stuff a takedown, get back up, boom, another one. | ||
| And I have to like... | ||
| Jesus Christ, just leave me alone because he's just on you like a blanket. | ||
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| Yeah, so that kind of work is hard. | ||
| So imagine being a gold medalist. | ||
| What kind of wrestling training it takes to get to that level. | ||
| Well, that's why when you see a real high-level wrestler against almost everybody else, they have such a noted advantage in the clinch, like Daniel Cormier and Stipe Miocic this weekend. | ||
| Dominic Cruz, we're very fortunate to have a guy that knowledgeable. | ||
| Because Dominic's knowledgeable about basically everything. | ||
| He started out as a wrestler, but he understands MMA as good as anybody that's ever talked on the mic about MMA. He's very clued up. | ||
| So when he talked about, like, he showed me some stuff that I hadn't caught about Daniel's giving up the underhook so that he could limp arm, and then Stipe would run right into the right hand, and they had it all timed out. | ||
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| I've already broken down the fire. | ||
| I was just already lit by that time. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I was yelling off my face, just like... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Dude, when he connected and then he hit him, I don't even know if I said anything because I remember I was going like... | ||
| I thought it was going to be five rounds. | ||
| Five rounds. | ||
| It was almost like there was a deja vu moment. | ||
| Like the world just changed. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| Did he just knock him out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And it was just so close. | ||
| Like, oh! | ||
| And John Anik. | ||
| Dead on the ground. | ||
| John Anik stands up. | ||
| There's a picture I put on Instagram. | ||
| That is a beautiful picture because they've been working together for so long when John Anik stands up and DC looks at him and they're looking at each other. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Look at that picture. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Because who the fuck else is a two-time world champion in two divisions and also a commentator currently? | ||
| And a great one. | ||
| Working two jobs. | ||
| God, I love that guy. | ||
| What a good guy. | ||
| And I like the fact that he's chunky as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Chunky's a nice way of putting it. | ||
| Nah, honestly, he's chunky. | ||
| If that was a girl, what would you call her? | ||
| Thick. | ||
| He a thick boy. | ||
| Like, he doesn't give a fuck, man. | ||
| This ain't even fat shaming. | ||
| That's the goddamn two-division champion. | ||
| I was talking to Ian, his nutritionist. | ||
| He says, like, 246, but he doesn't move like 246. I was like, yeah, 100%. | ||
| So it's deceptive. | ||
| You look at him, like, even Mark Hunt, he's another guy like that. | ||
| But last Saturday, the way he was moving... | ||
| Well, Javier Mendez was talking about it in camp, and so was Bob Cook. | ||
| They were telling me after the fight, they go, dude, at heavyweight, he's just knocking everybody out in training partners. | ||
| Y'all must have forgot about Strikeforce. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| They forgot about Strikeforce. | ||
| They forgot about undefeated Strikeforce fucking Grand Prix heavyweight champion. | ||
| Tossing out Burnett, Bigfoot dropping him, all that kind of shit. | ||
| I was like, and that was Burnett with five rounds, and he wasn't even like, he was early, that was early in his MMA career. | ||
| So I was like, You guys don't understand. | ||
| So I thought it was going to be DC putting them against the fence, grinding them out for five rounds, and still beating them up, like, fucking them up, and back and forth, but knockout in the first round. | ||
| That was just... | ||
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| I thought if DC was going to win it, what was going to happen was they were going to get into the second and third and they were going to start getting tired and DC's wrestling was going to take over. | ||
| Yeah, I thought it was going to go five rounds unanimous to DC. I felt like he had to somehow or another wear Stipe out a little bit before he gets takedowns and get him down. | ||
| Push him against the fence. | ||
| That would be the smart thing to do. | ||
| But I thought it was real dangerous standing up because Stipe's knocked out Junior Dos Santos, knocked out Alistair Overeem, knocked out Fabrizio Verdun with one punch. | ||
| I mean, you think all the people Stipe's knocked out, you go, damn, and DC's coming up as a light heavyweight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Only time we've ever seen DC hurt was with Rumble, right? | ||
| Yeah, well, Jon Jones, obviously. | ||
| Jon Jones had kicked him and knocked him out. | ||
| That's what knocked him out, yeah. | ||
| Can't forget that. | ||
| Jon Jones capitalized brilliantly on a tendency. | ||
| He knew that DC had this tendency. | ||
| He talked about it. | ||
| Leaning. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| What's interesting is that Dominic Cruz explained this to me as well, is that this is how DC prefers to set up the single. | ||
| And that he prefers to lean in towards his right side and then dive in on the single. | ||
| That's his preferred technique. | ||
| He's very strong at dragging you to the ground from that position. | ||
| So he has a tendency. | ||
| Everyone does. | ||
| Every level. | ||
| Even Jon Jones. | ||
| Myself. | ||
| When I was watching my fight, I've only seen it once. | ||
| It was after the fight. | ||
| Rewinding. | ||
| I took about an hour and a half to finish watching it. | ||
| Just rewinding, playing, drinking with my friends, whatnot. | ||
| Because they understand a lot. | ||
| I just like to be with myself and just chill. | ||
| So they're just doing their own thing. | ||
| But I watch it to see what I did right, and I enjoy it. | ||
| I was like, okay, this is what I did good, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But then I see, if I was fighting me hard, I'd fuck me up now. | ||
| That's a good way of looking at it, man. | ||
| I can see certain things like, okay, I need to work on... | ||
| Tendencies, certain tendencies, and change it up. | ||
| Confuse people, scramble them. | ||
| Some of the things I was doing in that fight, I've never done in training, because, for example, elbow pads. | ||
| I haven't really worn elbow pads in training, just knee pads. | ||
| I was using that Ong Bak elbow to set up how to close the distance, and I was watching, and I was like, where did I learn that from? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I did it probably three times. | ||
| I'd use the fake Ong Bak elbow to close the gap, and I'd gallop in and catch him with a right hand or something. | ||
| Certain things like that were things I did good, but then... | ||
| I can't really say the kind of thing to do with that. | ||
| But do you think that maybe that when you learn, it's almost like You're learning words, like in these words or techniques, and then combinations or sentences. | ||
| And then in having the mastery of all these words, you just see a new sentence that you could say. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, oh, that's nice. | ||
| You already know how to throw those, obviously, even though you don't do it a lot in sparring. | ||
| You just see there's something he's doing, like, you know what, this is what it is. | ||
| I'm going to do this and then come in here and... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That one was nice, but there was one in my last fight before that in Arizona. | ||
| Sean O'Malley throws this spin and then the head kick. | ||
| And in the fight, I was like, it feels right. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| First time I ever landed it. | ||
| And it caught him on the back of the head. | ||
| I was like, oh, good. | ||
| And I just kept him moving with it. | ||
| Yeah, when Yair Rodriguez 360 roundhouse kicked BJ Penn in the face, I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, man. | ||
| Because I was always wondering, when are we going to see this? | ||
| I've done one. | ||
| I knocked down a heavyweight with it, like a tornado kick. | ||
| And I learned that about a month and a half before. | ||
| Shout out to David. | ||
| He's the Taekwondo champion from New Zealand. | ||
| And he told me, because I used to throw it with the... | ||
| Right roundhouse and then spin with it. | ||
| And he said, that's too much telegraphing. | ||
| You're showing the guy I'm going to kick you because he'll lean back and then you come back. | ||
| So he said, go southpaw and use your torso. | ||
| So I'll give it away. | ||
| You throw your shoulder, your left shoulder from southpaw. | ||
| After a few right hands, so you kind of, I'm going to throw a right hand and then spin. | ||
| That spin right there. | ||
| Taekwondo national champion, so you know. | ||
| So that spin right there generates the force. | ||
| And I was able to knock down the guy with it. | ||
| I never hit anybody with that. | ||
| I hit the heavy bag with that a lot. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Make sure they can't move. | ||
| So I like to do it when they're against the fence or they're against the ropes. | ||
| So that way they have nowhere to go or not as much space to move around. | ||
| But if you're in the open, it's hard to land that. | ||
| You know what's really remarkably effective is that Raymond Daniels side kick to jump spinning back kick. | ||
| I can do that on the bag. | ||
| Yeah, I definitely did it in sparring before, but when I saw Rick Rufus, one of his first fights, it was a really important fight with a Thai champion, where he was fucking him up in the first round. | ||
| We played it back because it was a really interesting moment. | ||
| I think on YouTube it's labeled as the most important fight in kickboxing. | ||
| And what it was was the first fight where we got to see Rick Rufus in his prime fight. | ||
| Face a tie champion and this dude and Rick was winning in the beginning and one of the things that he hit him with he did that touch side kick spin back kick in the air this is it the fight that changed history is this Lawrence Kenshin as well? | ||
| Yeah, Lawrence. | ||
| That guy's a treasure. | ||
| Love his work. | ||
| Yeah, go Google him or check out his videos on YouTube. | ||
| He's got so many awesome breakdowns. | ||
| He and Jack Slack. | ||
| And I like the way they kind of work off each other as well. | ||
| Like, a lot of these guys, they're not really... | ||
| There's no competition. | ||
| They're all working together for... | ||
| Well, they're all very important. | ||
| And Robin Black as well. | ||
| Like, all these guys. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What I really love about Lawrence, though, is that, you know, he breaks down things and shows them in slow motion, as is Brendan Dorman and Jack Slack. | ||
| There's a lot of these guys that do this. | ||
| What way was that? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I don't remember how much Rick weighed. | ||
| I know he went up to like 200 pounds, but I think he started out in the 60s or 70s at the most. | ||
| This tie guy's pretty thick. | ||
| Check out the pants. | ||
| Yeah, well, he didn't understand how to deal with the leg kicks. | ||
| This was what chewed him up. | ||
| But early in the fight... | ||
| I think in the first round... | ||
| See, what this is showing is how the tie starts taking over with the leg kicks. | ||
| But I think in the first round, he hit him with that side kick, jump-spinning back kick to the face, and really hurt him. | ||
| This is Lawrence's breakdown. | ||
| Instead, this is just going to show how he lost. | ||
| See how he tried to throw that body kick and got checked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nice 4x2 though, hit him with the... | ||
| Oh, nice! | ||
| Oh, he hurt him with that left hand. | ||
| Yeah, 4x2. | ||
| Yeah, he dropped it. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
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Beautiful. | |
| Yeah, no, Rick had his moments in this fight for sure. | ||
| And it showed just what a dangerous striker he was, but we didn't, we just really didn't know back then about the leg kicks. | ||
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So interesting. | |
| Their ties, they're the ones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I felt some Thai guys, their legs, their legs literally feel like just concrete. | ||
| Yeah, they're broken down from years of getting kicked. | ||
| And mine are alright. | ||
| It feels like a stegosaurus's back, but sometimes when you feel it, it's like steel. | ||
| Dude, I felt so vulnerable. | ||
| The first time somebody kicked me in my leg, I felt so vulnerable because I couldn't believe how easy it was. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| My first thought was, God damn, and I have to recalibrate everything I thought about fighting. | ||
| Yeah, I fought a karate guy, a kyokushin guy, on maybe two hours' notice because my opponent decided, at the weigh-ins, he's like, I'm not fighting him. | ||
| I just fought him. | ||
| What did you do that made him say that? | ||
| Black. | ||
| And then this guy, Jamie Eads, who I've fought, I think, four times now. | ||
| So he came over to corner one of his teammates, and he was a national Kyokushin champion. | ||
| He's like, I'll fight him, cool. | ||
| Jump in the ring, and this padded fight, everything. | ||
| Yeah, two leg kicks in. | ||
| I was like, whatever, I can keep going. | ||
| And then by the fourth one, I remember like, ooh, okay, don't do that again. | ||
| And then from there was too late. | ||
| That was only in the first round. | ||
| And he ate my legs. | ||
| He ate my legs. | ||
| And I remember for about three weeks after that fight, Walking was just, I didn't want to walk. | ||
| Every time I'd be like, can you pass me this? | ||
| Or just like crawling places. | ||
| And I would hate walking. | ||
| But fun fact. | ||
| How long? | ||
| About three weeks. | ||
| Maybe two, two and a half, three weeks after that fight. | ||
| And it's just, you know, your legs are dead, heavy, filled with blood, bruised. | ||
| And it's just any little movement because your knees are swollen as well. | ||
| Sharp pains. | ||
| Oh, I hated it. | ||
| Fucking hated it. | ||
| How long did it take before you recovered? | ||
| Probably, yeah, about three weeks, four weeks. | ||
| I heal quick. | ||
| Like, honestly, it's weird. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know why. | ||
| Do you know Randy Couture, when he fought Pedro, his old needed six months of rehab? | ||
| Shit, six months. | ||
| Six months, son. | ||
| He still has a dent in his leg, apparently, from that fight. | ||
| Dude, Pedro gave a dent to Kevin Randleman, too. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| I never saw anybody kick a bag like Pedro. | ||
| Or kick a people. | ||
| But I was in Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu in like the mid-90s. | ||
| And Bas Rutten was running it back at the time. | ||
| And Pedro Hizzo was over there. | ||
| And Marco Huas. | ||
| Dude, they had this big-ass 200-pound fucking heavyweight. | ||
| And Pedro Hizzo folded that thing. | ||
| It made me so nervous. | ||
| Was it hanging off the ground? | ||
| Yeah, it was hanging off the ground. | ||
| But it was just this... | ||
| It was just a different sound. | ||
| I don't think, maybe it's the bones. | ||
| I think it's just heavy bones as well. | ||
| He's a dense motherfucker. | ||
| He's a thick dude. | ||
| Thick boy. | ||
| His legs were giant, but it was, there was a feeling of this very, you know, sometimes you hear someone or you see someone kick something or something, you go, oh, I could never, no one can take that. | ||
| You can't take that. | ||
| Pedro had that. | ||
| He had that, you can't take that. | ||
| He hit Rico Rodriguez once, and Rico was like, fuck this, I'm going down. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| He's like, I just, you try to bring this guy to my guard. | ||
| He's like, Fuck you, man. | ||
| I'm gonna stand up with you. | ||
| He hit him so hard that Rico stayed on the outside the whole fight. | ||
| He never really completely committed to trying to win the fight. | ||
| It was just too dangerous. | ||
| That's the heavyweight, right? | ||
| Is the guy with the problem, PED problem? | ||
| The wrong guy? | ||
| Rico? | ||
| Did Rico get popped for PEDs? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a documentary on them. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That's another guy from the UFC. You're thinking of Mark Kerr. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, Rico. | ||
| I don't think Rico got popped ever. | ||
| But Rico was a Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt. | ||
| He was the heavyweight champion. | ||
| I was thinking of an American wrestler. | ||
| I think Tim Sylvia beat him for the title. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Tim Sylvia, when he was at the top of his game, he's a big giant motherfucker. | ||
| Is he still fighting? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, retired now. | ||
| He's bow hunts in Iowa. | ||
| He's all giant now. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| He's 300 plus. | ||
| He's like 6'9". | ||
| He's a huge, huge, huge person. | ||
| Yeah, big boy. | ||
| I always looked at him. | ||
| One thing I... It was just Gumby, like a big guy, but he could fuck people up. | ||
| He could fuck people up! | ||
| You know like when you get a baby giraffe trying to figure out its steps? | ||
| But he just knew how to move and how to use his gumbyness to his advantage. | ||
| Well, if you go to the golden age of Tim Sylvia, pull up Tim Sylvia K.O.'s Rico Rodriguez. | ||
| This is the golden age of Tim Sylvia. | ||
| Back when Mexican supplements were more easy to come by. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| The drug test back then was like, they would make you fill out a piece of paper. | ||
| Tell me what drugs you took. | ||
| Hey, I passed the test. | ||
| I wrote zero. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was fucking... | ||
| Everybody was on the sauce back then. | ||
| Honestly, man, with all this PD kind of talk, for me, I thought, yeah, some people take steroids or whatever, but after I seen Icarus, everyone's on steroids. | ||
| Well, everyone in a lot of countries. | ||
| Bro, holy shit. | ||
| How crazy was that documentary? | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| I was just like, everyone... | ||
| No, but like, there's... | ||
| The cheaters are always going to be ahead of the solution, the guys who are catching them. | ||
| So whoever's on the new shit, they can't get caught just yet till they update their testings. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's like, I watched that and I realized, if you have the team behind you and you have people who can fund it, everyone's on steroids. | ||
| Don't you think that USADA, they hold their piss for a long time, right? | ||
| Don't they hold your piss for like eight years? | ||
| I tell them just, yeah, use it for research, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, but I think they hold on to it just in case new testing comes out. | ||
| Comes out so they can test it again. | ||
| They took gold medals away from two Russian cats in the 2000s because they went back and with new testing, I think they found EPO in their system. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's an interesting thing. | ||
| That documentary was amazing. | ||
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Amazing! | |
| It opened my eyes, and I had a piss test the next day as well. | ||
| I told the guy, I've seen this, I saw this on the documentary last night, the little cup they were using. | ||
| So yeah, I was like, who knows who's on steroids now. | ||
| And when USADA came through, You know the guys that kind of like their bodies changed, some of the people dropped off. | ||
| Radically. | ||
| Yeah, so quick. | ||
| Really quick. | ||
| It's like, damn, I never thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, not just changed, but changed to the point where like, you're not even the same person. | ||
| The same person, yeah. | ||
| You're like doing an impression. | ||
| And guys in their 20s doing an impression of who they were just a couple of years ago on The Sauce. | ||
| Yeah, shit's happening, man. | ||
| Well, they got caught up in a bad loop. | ||
| I'm snitching. | ||
| I saw that thing with you and the golden snitch. | ||
| He's a man. | ||
| He sent it to me. | ||
| He was all excited. | ||
| He texted me as well. | ||
| He's laughing. | ||
| He's laughing. | ||
| Nowitzki's a good guy, man. | ||
| He's got a bad reputation from a lot of people. | ||
| I can be cool with him because I know me. | ||
| I'm not cheating. | ||
| I'm not a guy that's never interested me. | ||
| Well, he doesn't even do that anymore. | ||
| What is his official title? | ||
| It's like athlete's health and wellness. | ||
| But those who are cheating wouldn't be hanging around him like the way I would or wouldn't be as friendly with him because they don't want him sniffing around. | ||
| Well, he's there to make sure that someone doesn't cheat on you, too, though. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I'm like, please. | ||
| What's so funny? | ||
| I'm gonna mad at it. | ||
| What's that? | ||
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It's on his Wikipedia. | |
| What does it say? | ||
| The Golden Snitch? | ||
| Jeffrey John Nowitzki, the Golden Snitch, is the Vice President of Athlete Health and Performance for the UFC. Holy shit! | ||
| Brendan Chubb! | ||
| Made it. | ||
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Look what you did! | |
| Brandon Sharp, look what you did! | ||
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Golden snitch. | |
| Goddamn, that's funny. | ||
| Oh shit, that's funny. | ||
| I'm glad he's around, man, honestly. | ||
| I don't mind being an ambassador for the sport if it's a clean sport. | ||
| Back in the day, even as early as 2010, 2012. Hey, find that Tim Sylvia Rico Rodriguez fight. | ||
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It's only on Fight Pass. | |
| That's it? | ||
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I can't find it anywhere. | |
| Damn. | ||
| They don't have that KO on YouTube? | ||
|
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I've been looking for a lot of different places. | |
| That's incredible. | ||
| It's weird when you look at him talking, it's like... | ||
| Oh, right, because you've heard him so many times. | ||
| I know it's weird being here, right? | ||
| It's weird being here for me, too, man. | ||
| Believe me. | ||
| This thing freaks me out. | ||
| I quit my job September 4th, 2013. Before I quit that job, I think you were the first podcast I started listening to. | ||
| Now I've got a few others, like a whole list. | ||
| But I remember having always my headphones in my ear, just one, so I could focus on the other things. | ||
| And my boss would just ride me for so long, like, just take that shit out your ears. | ||
| Stop listening to music. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not. | ||
| I'm just trying to be entertained so I don't go post it on you niggas. | ||
| Honestly, because that, it was just, you can enjoy what you do. | ||
| Some people fight. | ||
| When I was living in China, I knew a lot of guys that fought, but they didn't enjoy it. | ||
| They just did it because it makes good money, and they get paid. | ||
| And I'm like, do something else. | ||
| But for me, doing that job, holy shit, soul-sucking. | ||
| Every single day, you know, you wake up, train, and then it was just a block away, and I'd walk to work, and I just knew I was going to get just ridden that day. | ||
| And man, but it's kind of crazy now. | ||
| I'm checking in, like, I'm actually out here. | ||
| Like, I've listened to this for so long, and it's like, yeah, I belong here now. | ||
| Like, it's weird. | ||
| Everything just seems normal. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| That means you hit the right time. | ||
| That means you've got a good sense of timing. | ||
| It's like, because sometimes, like, even in my room, I had a nice suite for this one. | ||
| Shout out to the UFC. Shout out. | ||
| And there's that main event status. | ||
| So I had, like, a nice little spot, conjoining rooms with my teammates. | ||
| And sometimes I'll just overlook the T-Mobile arena and just be like... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We've made it. | ||
| We're out here. | ||
| We're not done yet. | ||
| But you're there. | ||
| You're in the hunt. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| And they just kind of check back in. | ||
| You're in the UFC. And now, I mean, you had to break into the top 10 with that fight. | ||
| I don't think the rankings have come out. | ||
| Fuck rankings, man. | ||
| Honestly. | ||
| What are they? | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| You know, they fucked up Paul Felder. | ||
| Paul Felder would have got that shot against Khabib in Brooklyn. | ||
| That fight was a welterweight. | ||
| So it shouldn't even affect the lightweight ranking. | ||
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No, it shouldn't. | |
| But I'm not talking about that fight. | ||
| The reason why Paul Felder didn't get that fight with Khabib when Tony Ferguson hurt his knee is because the Athletic Commission wouldn't recognize him. | ||
| He wasn't ranked in the top ten. | ||
| They wouldn't recognize him to be able to fight. | ||
| That would have been a great fight. | ||
| Great fight. | ||
| Al Quinto was a fucking dope fight. | ||
| He handled that well. | ||
| Paul Felder is a big fucking lightweight. | ||
| And Paul Felder has outstanding striking. | ||
| That would have been a real interesting fight. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So just because of rankings, they didn't let that go through? | ||
| Just because of the rankings. | ||
| Who makes the rankings? | ||
| That's the one thing I want to know. | ||
| Who decides? | ||
| Is it like a group or them? | ||
| Nah, but like, what have they done? | ||
| What's their credentials? | ||
| Have they trained? | ||
| Have they fought? | ||
| Are they just like analysts? | ||
| Are they experts? | ||
| Because it feels like if you want to be... | ||
| Instead of figuring out who did it, let's think about what you would do differently. | ||
| Like, who do you think should be making the rankings? | ||
| Fighters? | ||
| Maybe ex-fighters or like someone who's been in the sport, someone who's trained. | ||
| Same thing like you said with judging. | ||
| Someone who's actually like involved. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
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The judging scares the shit out of me, man. | |
| After my second fight in the UFC, I fought in Glandale, right? | ||
| It was a split decision I got. | ||
| In my head, when they said, you know, Israel, 50, whatever, oh, sorry, 39, 38, Adesanya, I was like, oh fuck, come on. | ||
| Just don't, because it's my win bonus. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about my record. | ||
| I'm just like, don't fuck me out of my money. | ||
| Don't fuck with my money. | ||
| Like, one other incompetent judge and that would have been it. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Only half my money. | ||
| And that would have pissed me off. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| So I was like, what have you done? | ||
| How the fuck did I lose that fight in your eyes? | ||
| It is one of the biggest problems the athletic commissions have. | ||
| Can't they just like, it seems like it's too much work. | ||
| Like, shouldn't it just be like maybe a group chat? | ||
| Like, okay, let's change the 12th to 6th elbow. | ||
| Who's agreed? | ||
| Yup, yup, yup, yup, cool. | ||
| That's a no-brainer. | ||
| That one's the dumbest one of all time. | ||
| Well, like, it takes so long to try and make any change in the sport. | ||
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For years. | |
| Well, how about the weight classes? | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| You know, Kevin Lee tweeted the other day that there's something like 150 different fighters in between 155 and 170. I think he said more than that. | ||
| You hear what Michael Chiesa said? | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| About him almost dying. | ||
| Felt like he was going to die when he was cutting weight. | ||
| Well, definitely don't fight at 155. That's scary for a guy to say that. | ||
| It is scary. | ||
| He should be probably fighting at 170 anyway. | ||
| He wants a 165 class I read on that tweet. | ||
| Well, it's a good class. | ||
| It should be 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 225. I can do 185 and 195. If that was, I'll take that. | ||
| I'd be jumping between those two. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| I mean, that's doable. | ||
| I think the real problem is you give guys like 85, 205, that's 20 fucking pounds, man. | ||
| That's a lot of weight. | ||
| Yeah, I walk around 205 if I'm healthy. | ||
| Like, if I'm DC'd out. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| That's a good amount of weight to cut. | ||
| Like, I bet when you get real lean, you probably lose like 6, 7, then you're only losing really cutting like, what, 10? | ||
| 10, 13? | ||
| This camp, I didn't use a sauna, I didn't use a bath for this fight. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Normally, like the last two, I did, and I was underweight. | ||
| And I would only cut a little bit as well, but this one, I woke up on weight. | ||
| Do you use an expert to help you, like a Lockhart or something? | ||
| I'm gonna, maybe for the fight week, use Lockhart next time, maybe. | ||
| But normally, I've done this for a long time, so I know my body. | ||
| And I'm always accurate as well. | ||
| I can feel like I'm about 93 kgs today. | ||
| I'm about 85 kgs right now, I can tell. | ||
| And what about rehydration? | ||
| Yep, Lockhart Method, the old one. | ||
| There's a whole system with the waxy maize, amino acids, eating pineapples with crackers and honey and whatnot. | ||
| So I follow the list, and my coach... | ||
| Why pineapples with cracker and honey? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's on the list. | ||
| It's a Lockhart one. | ||
| So it's like carbohydrates from the crackers and honey. | ||
| Talking to the wrong guy. | ||
| I would know all that kind of stuff. | ||
| For me, that's the thing. | ||
| I have guys like my coach, Eugene, who knows why. | ||
| And he'll just tell me, do this, and I trust them. | ||
| But I know it's a Lockhart method, and they've updated it because I talked to Ian, and he said that was the old one. | ||
| I sent it to him, and he said they've updated it. | ||
| So I said, okay, next time, probably, I'll use them for the fight week, weight cut, and then the rehydration. | ||
| What's the toughest you've ever cut? | ||
| How have you ever gotten? | ||
| Let me go back. | ||
| This is probably early on in my career. | ||
| No, actually, there was one in China where I fucked up. | ||
| I was fucking around at the buffet or something, maybe like the fight week. | ||
| And then I think I cut four cages in the sauna. | ||
| It was easy on the last one, but before that, I was just like mentally sitting there like, shit, never again. | ||
| I'm never doing this again. | ||
| And I start to like visualize the fight like I'm gonna make this guy pay and I start to get delusional and delirious. | ||
| But yeah, four kgs is not bad. | ||
| I've heard worse. | ||
| I've heard like six kgs in a sauna and that's a lot on like someone who's not even that fat or that... | ||
| What is that, 13, 14 pounds? | ||
| I keep using kgs, damn it. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| I have no pounds. | ||
| How many pounds is that? | ||
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14? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's a lot. | ||
| 30 pounds? | ||
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Yeah, it's like 2.2. | |
| Oh god, that's right. | ||
| I'm going the wrong way. | ||
| I'm going the wrong way. | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| As you get closer to the actual weigh-ins, we cut back on the fat and start incorporating frozen fruits. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Something I use a lot is pineapple. | ||
| The reason is dietary fiber will hold water. | ||
| If I put a bunch of water into a bowl and lettuce is brown and wilted, the next day it will absorb the water via osmosis and be good lettuce again. | ||
| Whoa, I didn't know that. | ||
| When you guys are near the end of your weight clot, they are cutting back on how much water they take in so they don't have to worry about the body absorbing the water. | ||
| That means we can give them the fruit which is going to help them fuel the brain. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, that. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Now, what kind of shit do you eat? | ||
| Like, are you on a very specific diet? | ||
| I see food and I eat it. | ||
| I like food. | ||
| I'm hungry. | ||
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Of course. | |
| The best thing is, like, for me, it's weird. | ||
| When you're not allowed it, you want it more. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, like Fight Week, when I get here, and I start to, like, crave just the good stuff. | ||
| And I go on these Instagram pages, like, tasty. | ||
| And I just watch and I save it. | ||
| And I write down what I'm going to get when I get back home. | ||
| And, man, it's like food porn for real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you get hard just thinking about it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And then after the fight, once it's time to weigh in, I'm good. | ||
| And I'm just like, alright, eat healthy, get it done. | ||
| I don't like pig out. | ||
| Even on the one I got from Lockhart, it says, do not eat pasta until after the fight. | ||
| Because apparently that can slow you down. | ||
| No pasta. | ||
| No pasta. | ||
| In capital letters, do not eat pasta. | ||
| What about like maybe a quinoa pasta or lentil pasta? | ||
| Does that count? | ||
| That would be better. | ||
| I think just like regular. | ||
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Sprouted grains. | |
| Yeah, I think just like maybe pastry pasta, that kind of stuff. | ||
| You ever have that Ezekiel pasta? | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| I like that shit. | ||
| One thing, do you have any elk? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| How long are you here for? | ||
| I got a spot till Thursday. | ||
| Do you have a place where you can cook? | ||
| Oh, dude, I got you. | ||
| The easiest thing I'll give you is I'll give you some elk sausage. | ||
| That's the easiest to cook. | ||
| And I'll give you some directions and I'll give you elk steak. | ||
| Do you have access to like some sort of a grill with a lid on it? | ||
| Temperature control grill? | ||
| Like a barbecue grill. | ||
| Yeah, we got one that's a spot. | ||
| You just want to make sure, and you've got to get a digital thermometer. | ||
| You want to make sure the meat stays somewhere under. | ||
| At a certain temperature. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want to keep it, you definitely don't want to cook it past 120 degrees. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| I can follow instructions. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm coachable. | ||
| I'm coachable. | ||
| I know you are. | ||
| You must be. | ||
| What you know you can't learn on your own. | ||
| The thing about a guy like you that's interesting to me is like, it's very obvious that you had very good technical training, but then you deviated. | ||
| And you figured out your own creative path. | ||
| And something you said earlier, which I think is really important, and it's a good thing to hear for people who don't really understand martial arts, is what you do really is an art. | ||
| I mean, you're expressing yourself. | ||
| I've always been. | ||
| And for a person like me, who's a fan of that martial art, and I understand what you're doing, I watch it, and I'm appreciating it. | ||
| It's like I'm watching ballet or a symphony. | ||
| I'm watching art. | ||
| I'm like, oh, look how he's set up. | ||
| There was one time when you trapped his wrist and cracked him with an elbow. | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| That's almost like NLP. Because some people use things coming at them at a certain speed. | ||
| So what I did, he had his guard up, and I was just like, just give me a hand. | ||
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Ba-boom! | |
| And I just hit him with it. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| So, like, he gave... | ||
| You watch it, he kind of, like, just... | ||
| Well, he thought you were going at a slow speed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he sped it up out of nowhere. | ||
| Because I'm used... | ||
| You know, he's used to the fast thing coming around him. | ||
| And I was like, just give me your hat. | ||
| Well, that's the change-up in baseball. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They throw a slow pitch, and you're like, what is this? | ||
| And you whiff it, and you're like, fuck, how did I miss that? | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Because you were expecting a ball to be so fast. | ||
| I've heard the That's what a changeup is. | ||
| So if a guy throws like a 98 mile an hour fastball, but all of a sudden he throws one that's like a fraction of that. | ||
| I don't know what fraction. | ||
| They swing too quick or something. | ||
| Yeah, they swing too quick. | ||
| What would be a changeup pitch? | ||
| Like how much slower would it be? | ||
| 20-30 miles an hour slower. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it fucks your head up, man. | ||
| You're expecting that ball to come. | ||
| You see him throw it, you're like... | ||
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And then you see, fuck, it hasn't even gotten here yet! | |
| Deception. | ||
| That's what it is, bro. | ||
| My game is just deception. | ||
| Well, the question mark kick is the ultimate deception. | ||
| I got a few more. | ||
| That's just the basic one I use. | ||
| I tried one on him. | ||
| You might catch it. | ||
| It was a changeup from a left kick to a front teat. | ||
| But it just went right there. | ||
| Here it is, right there. | ||
| Here we see the highlight. | ||
| Ooh, that was pretty. | ||
| You know, another one that you see Wonderboy likes to use is that front leg side kick, front leg roundhouse kick combination. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He comes in, touches you with a front leg sidekick, and then so swap! | ||
| Raymond Daniels, though, has the prettiest version of that. | ||
| Jumping sidekick, spinning back kick to the face that he did in Glory. | ||
| Yeah, that was sick. | ||
| That guy did the splits. | ||
| When you see a guy who can do that in a kickboxing match at a very high level, that's when you realize, whoa, this guy, you can't give him any room. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| He likes space. | ||
| Joseph Valtellini and Nicky Holtzkin when they fought him. | ||
| That was really interesting. | ||
| Constant pressure and leg kicks. | ||
| Chopping that leg, chopping that leg, chopping that leg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, but what I like about your style is you basically do both of those things. | ||
| You do the wild crazy shit, but you also do technical Muay Thai. | ||
| That's what I mean about, I kept on saying about Uriah Hall being a button basher. | ||
| Like, you know when you play Tekken and you just kind of like hope something cool happens? | ||
| That's what he does. | ||
| And I'm like, establish your basics first. | ||
| Establish your foundation. | ||
| Land your jab. | ||
| He did it in this last fight, but normally, establish something first, and then the cool shit comes afterwards. | ||
| You can't just... | ||
| And he's had success with knocked out Gegard with the jumping, spinning back kick. | ||
| But I think you'd have better success at landing those things if you establish your basics first. | ||
| Land your jab. | ||
| Set the pace. | ||
| Well, he was landing a lot of jabs in that fight, but Paulo Costa It was just constant, relentless with his pressure. | ||
| I called it two minutes before it happened. | ||
| I told Ash, my friend of mine, he's fading. | ||
| He's going to go soon. | ||
| He's going soon. | ||
| You can just see it when he starts to like... | ||
| Maybe because I see it, that's what I look for in a guy. | ||
| Or they tell me, I'm ready to go. | ||
| I'm like, alright, cool. | ||
| I'll help you out. | ||
| I'll just take him out. | ||
| You can just find it. | ||
| You look in their eyes or you feel them. | ||
| Like when you see a guy who's starting to crack. | ||
| You feel them. | ||
| You feel them wilt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an energy. | ||
| It's an energy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're not as dangerous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he's ready to go. | ||
| Like example, my first fight. | ||
| Shout out to Rob Wilkinson. | ||
| I actually brought him in just to help me out. | ||
| Not for this camp, but for his wrestling pressure. | ||
| Rob Wilkinson. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| He's my first UFC fight. | ||
| But when I was fighting him, I was in the second round after his last takedown attempt. | ||
| And then I, like, stuffed his head, got my leg out, and I skipped back to the middle, and I saw him walk back, like, circle, and then... | ||
| And just the body language, I was like, oh, you're ready? | ||
| And I throw my hands up, like, what's up? | ||
| And then pop, knee, boom, and I just kind of, like, just picked him apart slowly. | ||
| I didn't rush it. | ||
| Like, I keep telling, I don't rush these knockouts. | ||
| Like, a lot of people are like, oh, he hurt Brad about three times, but, you know, he didn't go for the finish. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I'm not trying to bum rush these dudes. | ||
| I just pick them apart. | ||
| They will fall eventually. | ||
| Well, not only that, but here's something to consider for people that don't really totally understand what you're doing. | ||
| You're doing everything correctly. | ||
| You're not really getting hit much. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're doing everything correctly, and by doing everything correctly, you're kind of ensuring to continue your domination in that fight versus put yourself in danger, which some people like. | ||
| Some people like, I just like to bite down on my mouth, piece, and bang. | ||
| I love me a Justin Gaethje, Michael Johnson. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| But I'm not gonna be that guy. | ||
| I'm not gonna be that guy cuz I'm not here for a long time. | ||
| I'm here for a good time. | ||
| I just want to keep my wits about me Yeah, like Mayweather get in get out make your money and fuck off. | ||
| That's what I want to do You're fighting correctly in terms of like if you're trying to teach someone how to hit and not get hit you're fighting correctly Facts. | ||
| But in order to push further, if you were trying to make it more exciting and engage more, you have to risk getting hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not a wise thing to do. | ||
| I take risks. | ||
| I like to take risks when I play with my distance. | ||
| Like, okay, am I too close? | ||
| Am I too far? | ||
| And before I take those risks, I calculate. | ||
| I know what he's going to do already. | ||
| I can bait them with something. | ||
| Like, if I want them to jab... | ||
| And I get closer. | ||
| And when he jabs, I slip and rip. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I take risks, but I calculate my risks. | ||
| And sometimes I might do some wild shit like that in a binari roll. | ||
| I fucked up on that one because it was a little bit slippery. | ||
| I landed in training. | ||
| I catch it all the time, but I didn't account for the sweat on his legs. | ||
| And I got back up anyway, and I was like, come on! | ||
| It was a good one, you know? | ||
| It's a crazy thing to do. | ||
| You're also very honest when things don't go your way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When things go wrong. | ||
| You had a kickboxing fight. | ||
| Was it in Glory? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that was the one in Brazil. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex Pereira, right? | ||
| Yeah, Pereira, yeah. | ||
| Where you lost and you were talking about what it was like to get knocked out. | ||
| Yeah, for me, that's everyone's worst fear. | ||
| So that for me was two firsts for the first time. | ||
| My first back-to-back loss because that was just after the Glory fight. | ||
| My first knockout loss. | ||
| But the glory fight, although you lost, a lot of people thought you should have won the decision. | ||
| I won the fight. | ||
| If you look at him, I don't even base it on that, but we both knew. | ||
| I hit you more than you hit me. | ||
| And people were like, well, he had the pressure. | ||
| He walked you down. | ||
| And the commentary, being honest, was bullshit because... | ||
| I mean, respect to a guy like Valtellini, but he can't fight like me. | ||
| He can't understand my style. | ||
| His fight, you look at his career, he had to take time off because of, you know, trauma. | ||
| Because that's how we fight, so he appreciates that kind of style. | ||
| But, what's his name? | ||
| Well, Wellness walked me down, but he really couldn't do shit. | ||
| Leg kicks are supposed to slow you down. | ||
| I didn't slow down. | ||
| I was still dancing around him in the fifth round. | ||
| I was slipping and stuff. | ||
| I was fresh, you know, but... | ||
| Yeah, that fight, I felt like I won that fight, but it's alright. | ||
| It wasn't meant to be. | ||
| Everything happens the way it's supposed to happen. | ||
| I wasn't supposed to get that belt. | ||
| And I'm okay with it. | ||
| Well, the fight was the fight. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It really was just the judges that people have a dispute with. | ||
| The actual fight was a successful fight for you in that you did land more shots than he did. | ||
| But then losing the next fight... | ||
| By KO. But you talked about it online. | ||
| You were real open about it on Instagram. | ||
| Because that's the fear. | ||
| Every fighter... | ||
| If it was just me and a guy fighting and I lost, it's like, oh, whatever. | ||
| But when you put it in front of millions of people, that's the fear. | ||
| It's like, oh, shit. | ||
| I don't want to look like shit in front of all these people. | ||
| What did you get hit with? | ||
| I was southpaw. | ||
| It was a left hook from him. | ||
| And before that, first round, I teed him up. | ||
| Second round, I rocked him. | ||
| But then from that wellness fight, I let some bullshit get to me. | ||
| Just online. | ||
| People in your life are like, oh man, you should've won that fight, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Guess you shouldn't leave it in the Dodgers' hands. | ||
| They'll say some shit like that and it just seeps into you. | ||
| So when I heard him in that second round, I just went berserk what people expect me to do, what people in the UFC do. | ||
| I started throwing bombs. | ||
| No, I was only throwing right hands. | ||
| I was only throwing right hands at him. | ||
| And I watched that fight back. | ||
| I haven't watched it in a long time. | ||
| But when I watched it back, I was like, why are you doing this? | ||
| Because that's not me. | ||
| That's not me staying true to myself. | ||
| What I would have done if I was, you know, being true to myself is just, all right, cool. | ||
| Where's the shot? | ||
| Boom, pop, boom. | ||
| Just pick him up. | ||
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Mix it up. | |
| Do what you always do. | ||
| He was hurt. | ||
| He was hurt. | ||
| He was out on his feet already. | ||
| So it's a good story for him. | ||
| You know, like he knocked me out at the third round after he got rocked in the second round. | ||
| But I mean, yeah, it was good for him. | ||
| But hey, if we fight again, because even after my UFC debut, he put like a contract up, like he's coming to the UFC as well. | ||
| I'm like, all right, make your way up. | ||
| I'll fuck him up. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| He's a very good kickboxer too. | ||
| I mean, there's no shame. | ||
| He's beat me twice. | ||
| And the first time as well was another weird, you know, he's walking forward, you know, not landing shots, but I'm moving back and hitting him the whole time. | ||
| And the judges gave it to him. | ||
| So I was like, credit to you. | ||
| You got the fight. | ||
| I'll fight you again. | ||
| So if he makes his way to the UFC, he can get it anytime. | ||
| Is he trying to fight MMA now? | ||
| I think he's had MMA fights. | ||
| He's had MMA fights. | ||
| But a lot of kickboxers, like I said, my boy Brad, even he realizes MMA is where it's at. | ||
| The UFC, they see the way... | ||
| Best run company I've ever, like, come across. | ||
| I fought all around the world, fought for glory, fought in China. | ||
| No one runs a show like the UFC. Like, everything has a place and a time, and it's just so clean. | ||
| And you get your money quick. | ||
| That's one thing I like about UFC as well. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It's a well-oiled machine. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| You know, I mean, they've been running it that way since 2002, and now the new organization is basically most of the old organizations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nice to work for, man. | ||
| I still enjoy it after all these years. | ||
| When's your next one? | ||
| The next one's in LA, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Next one is next. | ||
| TJ versus Cody. | ||
| The rematch. | ||
| Sick fight. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| That first fight. | ||
| Do you feel like after the last Robert Whitaker, Yoel Romero fight that your weight class is kind of in this weird state? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Well, Whitaker won the fight, but a lot of people thought Romero might have gotten the nod because he knocked him down and hurt him, and then he hurt him again in the next round. | ||
| A lot of people thought, at the very least, it was a draw. | ||
| Because if you look at it on paper, Whitaker never really hurt Romero, but Romero did significantly hurt Whitaker twice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, he came off of knocking out Rockhold. | ||
| But then again, he didn't miss weight. | ||
| So that kind of puts it in turmoil, too. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| I think he's moving up. | ||
| I think he said he's going to go to light heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the most recent statement. | ||
| How tall is he? | ||
| He's not that tall. | ||
| Dude, that guy is... | ||
| He built like a brick shithouse. | ||
| He looks like an action figure. | ||
| When he came in here to do a podcast while I was in camp, him and Joey Diaz translated and shit, I was looking and I'm like, he's 230 pounds. | ||
| He's fucking huge. | ||
| How's he going to make 185? | ||
| That's how I felt when I first met Anthony Johnson. | ||
| I was like, how the fuck? | ||
| How the fuck did he I literally saw him. | ||
| He's just like a thick burger, like huge. | ||
| And he hit me once, I think when we're sparring, only once, like a clean one. | ||
| And I was like, I'm not getting hit by that again. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| So dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| It was good work. | ||
| I enjoyed the work we got together, but definitely you don't want to get hit. | ||
| Is he a hard spar or will he spar light with you? | ||
| No. | ||
| I was the guy that brought in for him to mess up, but yeah, I didn't let it happen. | ||
| I was making sure like, nah, stay away from that. | ||
| There's one. | ||
| He teeped me, and I went from one side of the cage to the other. | ||
| He hit me. | ||
| You know that teepee does? | ||
| Like the side teepee just pushes you? | ||
| Right, like an elliptical? | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Yeah, that one. | ||
| Oblique kick, yeah. | ||
| And he just did. | ||
| And I went, hit the fence on the other side. | ||
| I was like, yup, he's a big boy. | ||
| I was probably maybe 90 cages at the time, so that was about 200 pounds. | ||
| But yeah, he's a motherfucker. | ||
| You don't want to spar him. | ||
| Yeah, to get down to 205 is a bit of a struggle, which is just so crazy. | ||
| Hey, he got his licks as well. | ||
| It was back and forth. | ||
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Oh, I'm sure. | |
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| But it was good work. | ||
| How the fuck did he make 170? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I saw him in between fights at 170, and he was 230 pounds. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| What do you weigh? | ||
| You see him now? | ||
| You see him on Instagram? | ||
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He's huge! | |
| I saw him a couple weeks ago. | ||
| He said if he's going to come back, he's going to come back as a heavyweight. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| And he's already been a heavyweight. | ||
| He's been a fucking dude that heavyweight. | ||
| He just couldn't answer the puzzle that was DC. DC's the one who really had him figured out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| DC just figured him out, man. | ||
| DC just knew how to break them. | ||
| I think it's just the gas tank as well sometimes. | ||
| He puts his foot on the gas too quick. | ||
| And also learning how to not be conservative, but manage your gas tank. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of people don't know. | ||
| He would just swing for the fucking bleachers. | ||
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That's what I mean. | |
| And most of the time, when he did that, he would just put guys in a coma. | ||
| And I just think, at a certain point in time, He was on the tear. | ||
| He was that motherfucker. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| He was that motherfucker for a long time. | ||
| The only one he had with Glover Teixeira. | ||
| That didn't look like much. | ||
| The uppercut. | ||
| It didn't look like much. | ||
| And it was in a bit of a scramble. | ||
| They were just working. | ||
| Dude, it was amazing. | ||
| When he hit him with that, I was like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| He had ridiculous punching power. | ||
| Some of the most ridiculous punching power I've ever seen. | ||
| Guys like that. | ||
| Mark Hunt. | ||
| Him. | ||
| Who's another one? | ||
| Rampage had that as well. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| And Chuck, what I liked that he had it was because he was long as well. | ||
| He wasn't really a thick guy, but I think it's his levers, his arms. | ||
| He just knew how to whip that. | ||
| What are they fighting, he and Tito? | ||
| I don't know, man, but there's a video of Chuck working out. | ||
| He's working out with Ray Sefo. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| See that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Maybe, I'll give him credit, benefit of the doubt, because I'm like, okay, maybe he hasn't hit pads in a while. | ||
| Let's see, maybe three weeks from now. | ||
| When are they fighting? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Young Jamie, pull that up. | ||
| I would think that... | ||
| You want to say that, right? | ||
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I would say that. | |
| It feels good. | ||
| Yeah, maybe four weeks. | ||
| Let's see if he keeps the training up. | ||
| It's like riding a bike. | ||
| He didn't look like Chuck of Old, obviously, because we have something to compare it to. | ||
| But he's not going to be like that either way. | ||
| But let's see if he can get better from what that was on Instagram. | ||
| But also, he's a 49-year-old guy, and he's probably warming up. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I mean. | ||
| Hopefully that was just him just throwing, getting loose, and then maybe three rounds in. | ||
| Do you still spar? | ||
| No. | ||
| You roll? | ||
| I roll, but I'm 50 years old. | ||
| I can't get hit in the head. | ||
| Fuck off, for real. | ||
| I can't get hit in the head anymore. | ||
| I'm old enough to not be willing to get hit in the head anymore. | ||
| I stopped when I was probably 28, 29. When I first moved to LA, I still did some kickboxing. | ||
| I went to Benny the Jet Center in Van Nuys. | ||
| Remember Benny Urquidez? | ||
| I know Benny the Jet. | ||
| He's one of the original OG kickboxers. | ||
| Him and Blinky Rodriguez had the Jet Center in Van Nuys. | ||
| And for me, there was two things that I wanted to do when I came to California. | ||
| One, I wanted to go to Hard Times Billiards. | ||
| Because Hard Times in Bellflower, California, it's one of the legendary pool halls in the country. | ||
| And two, I wanted to go to the Jet Center in Van Nuys. | ||
| And I went there, dude, and it was all gang members. | ||
| And Blinky Rodriguez had a program where he would let these gang members in and have them all take classes. | ||
| So you'd be sparring with hardcore gangbangers. | ||
| One dude had this really shitty tattoo on his back with his gang. | ||
| I forget the name. | ||
| And then it said, fuck the rest. | ||
| On his back. | ||
| And we're both putting our mouthpieces. | ||
| I'm like, Jesus, what am I doing? | ||
| I grew up in the suburbs. | ||
| It kind of happens though. | ||
| Gang activity kind of like just seeps its way into fight. | ||
| They finally went to fight culture somehow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Blinky, I believe Blinky Rodriguez lost his son to gang violence. | ||
| Oh, real? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So is that why he did that? | ||
| He had an open-up program where he was letting kids into the gym and trying to help the community and help these kids I apologize if I got that wrong, but I think I got that right. | ||
| Please look that up. | ||
| Blinky Rodriguez son dies in gang violence I'm pretty sure that's true. | ||
| Blinky Rodriguez was a famous kickboxer, too He knocked out Johnny Veterio when Johnny Veterio was like the PKA champion one of the most feared guys in the world It's that point karate in there No, no, no. | ||
| It was PKA karate with kickboxing, but it was above the waist like Rick Rufus style. | ||
| And Jean-Yves Theriot, is that true? | ||
| That he did lose his Sunday gang violence? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jean-Yves Theriot fought. | ||
| See if you can find Blinky Rodriguez KO's Jean-Yves Theriot. | ||
| And Theriot is T-H-E-R. I forget all the rest of the way to spell his name, but he was the man in kickboxing in like the 80s. | ||
| That was before my time. | ||
| He had pretty decent kicks, nothing special, but ridiculous knockout power in his punches. | ||
| What was his hands like? | ||
| Boxing? | ||
| Boxing, yeah. | ||
| But Blinky Rodriguez caught him with a left hook and starched him. | ||
| And that was always like one of Blinky, here it is right here, they're fighting. | ||
| This is like one of Blinky's claims to fame. | ||
| Throwback. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this is... | ||
| Which was Blinky? | ||
| Blinky is the guy in the blue shorts. | ||
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The blue, all right. | |
| And Johnny Viterio is the tall Montreal guy. | ||
| He was an interesting guy, man. | ||
| He was one of the first advocates of stair running, too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, he was... | ||
| Like sprints? | ||
| Yeah, well, running hills and running stairs because he felt like for kicking power. | ||
| They're good for you, but fuck them. | ||
| Fuck them, right? | ||
| There's something about gravity. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Well, Blinky was a karate guy. | ||
| He had all kinds of crazy shit. | ||
| Spinning backfists and all that shit, but he had this... | ||
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Boom! | |
| There it is, son. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Yo! | ||
| Blinky had a ridiculous left hook. | ||
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Stiff. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The arms. | ||
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Boom. | |
| Watch that again. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| I like how I set that up as well. | ||
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One more time. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| From that low kick. | ||
| Boom. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Boom! | ||
| That's textbook. | ||
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See, that's textbook. | |
| Beautiful. | ||
| Nothing wrong with textbook. | ||
| So, it was an honor just to be there in Blinky's gym. | ||
| Oh, you were right there. | ||
| On his gym, yeah. | ||
| This was way later. | ||
| I came to LA in 93. Yeah. | ||
| So, it was 93 when I was here. | ||
| Full of the dream. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Full of the dream. | ||
| From where? | ||
| I came here from Boston. | ||
| Well, Boston to New York, New York to LA. So I started coming here around 93, and I think I joined. | ||
| I joined the Jet Center, but they had got damaged from the earthquake in 93, and the fucking roof, when it would rain, it would just flood the whole gym. | ||
| So they had to wind up moving. | ||
| So, glory days. | ||
|
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No word on that fight. | |
| It's booked for later this year. | ||
| Which fight? | ||
| Ortiz Liddell. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Later this year. | ||
| Just no word. | ||
| His terms won. | ||
| I wonder how Tito looks as well. | ||
| Maybe see him hitting pads. | ||
| He looks good. | ||
| Look, Tito has been winning. | ||
| He fought recently. | ||
| He beat Chael Sonnen recently. | ||
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Tito is still active. | |
| I saw Tito hit pads. | ||
| He still looks good, man. | ||
| He's still a beast. | ||
| He's got a Gang of back surgeries though. | ||
| Knee surgeries and back surgeries. | ||
| Tito's, his whole back is all surgery, man. | ||
| There's a crazy video of him. | ||
| He's lying unconscious. | ||
| They got him sedated and the doctor has a hammer and a chisel and his neck. | ||
| And his neck! | ||
| He's going like this. | ||
| Clink, clink, clink, clink. | ||
| Putting some spacer in his neck. | ||
| Like fusing his neck together. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I'm not about that life. | ||
| That headlock life is a different life. | ||
| He was a wrestler by trade. | ||
| All those wrestlers, they all wind up with some sort of catastrophic back injury. | ||
| It's just a matter of how long can you hold out. | ||
| For me now, I'm trying to be preemptive because for the longest time, I kind of just neglected all that stuff with like chiro, physio, whatnot. | ||
| So now I'm like, if I want to fight at this level and be healthy, avoid injury, You got to look after yourself in that sense. | ||
| What kind of strength and conditioning work do you do? | ||
| Strength and conditioning. | ||
| Sun Tzu is a guy that does my strength and conditioning work. | ||
| And the thing is, I know not much about these things. | ||
| Like, even when he tells me to lift, like put some template, I never ask what the numbers are. | ||
| Because if I know what the numbers are, I feel like I might... | ||
| I might get daunted like, oh shit, I can't lift this. | ||
| And then I'll ask afterwards, like, what was that deadlift? | ||
| Oh, that was 180. I was like, okay, cool. | ||
| That's alright. | ||
| But yeah, I do shit like deadlift, a little bit of bench, a lot of band work, a lot of plyometrics, like exploding. | ||
| Yeah, learning how to just fire. | ||
| Like when he says go, he's not just working the muscles, he wants to work the mind. | ||
| So when it's time to explode, the mind just knows it's time to move. | ||
| Like quick twitch. | ||
| And how many days a week do you do it? | ||
| Two times a week. | ||
| Two times a week, yeah. | ||
| And when you do it, how do you schedule your, does someone schedule all of your workouts or do you do it yourself? | ||
| You have input. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I have input, but my main coach, Eugene Bearman, he's the one that schedules my workouts. | ||
| So he says, today we're doing wrestling, tomorrow we're doing... | ||
| We have a timetable, so for each camp, we'll adjust the timetable accordingly. | ||
| So for example, when I go back now, I'm not going to do any VO2 max, no alactic capacity, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| No camp stuff. | ||
| I want to go... | ||
| Because it's after the fight. | ||
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After the fight, yeah. | |
| So it's skill work after the fight? | ||
| Yeah, skill work, yeah. | ||
| Just upgrade the software. | ||
| But also because, yeah, I think I've done well this year. | ||
| Three fights in six months. | ||
| I'm like, you know what? | ||
| Take my foot off the gas a little bit. | ||
| I'm just going to chill. | ||
| How long will you chill for, you think? | ||
| Probably till September, maybe. | ||
| By that time, I want to go back to yoga, Bikram, because my flexibility is kind of... | ||
| I felt it in this camp in the early... | ||
| It took me a little bit longer to get my kicks going. | ||
| Eugene was teasing me, saying I'm getting old. | ||
| I was like, fuck that. | ||
| I still have it, but I just think I need to get my flexibility back to where it was. | ||
| When you do plyos and things along those lines, do you stretch heavily afterwards? | ||
| Afterwards... | ||
| I should, and I try to, but sometimes I just neglect that. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| Damn, that's kind of so important because that's the time where you really have some opportunity for stretching or really advancing your range of motion. | ||
| After plyometrics, really. | ||
| Yeah, well, any time, explosive exercise, you're really tired, your muscles are completely heated up. | ||
| Or, you know, Bikram's great for that, too, because you get a lot of exhaustion of the muscles, then you have that extreme heat, and everything's super pliable. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| When I go to Bikram, I can still do a full split. | ||
| But if I had to do a full split right now, it'd be a little bit of a struggle. | ||
| I felt the way after Bikram classes, I was always more loose. | ||
| Yeah, that heat is something, man. | ||
| Someone can hack it, though. | ||
| They need to hack it. | ||
| Cut the shit, of course you can hack it. | ||
| If it was between live or die, never see your family again, or wait ten more minutes in the sauna, shut the fuck up! | ||
| Even just for the first session I ever did ever in Bikram, I sat there. | ||
| I didn't push myself as hard, but I just sat on the mat if maybe that pose was a little bit too much or if I felt some type of way, but I'm African. | ||
| I can handle it. | ||
| That ain't bad if you can't... | ||
| Look, the whole thing about it is adaptation. | ||
| If you overrun your body right away, you're not going to recover as well. | ||
| You're not going to enjoy it as much. | ||
| If you can't get through a 90-minute Bikram class, but you can do 60 minutes, then you have to sit down for 10 and then jump back in for 10, then just do that. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Know your body, have some cold water. | ||
| Just sit down for the first bite and just feel the heat. | ||
| Just sit down. | ||
| Try what you can and if you can't do it, just sit down. | ||
| Dude, that shit is so good for you. | ||
| I know Bikram's a crazy asshole. | ||
| I've heard some stories. | ||
| I know he's crazy. | ||
| He did an HBO. But here's the thing, man. | ||
| Just because he's crazy doesn't mean it's effective. | ||
| You can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. | ||
| I know that dude's nuts. | ||
| But also, here's the other thing about Bikram. | ||
| Although he's a great yogi and his system is amazing, I don't even think he came up with that system. | ||
| I think that system has existed for a long time. | ||
| Like you're from India or something. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Google this, please. | ||
| I think he lost a lawsuit based on him trying to copyright those sequences of yoga. | ||
| And I think the problem is that the yoga, those moves, all those moves have existed for literally thousands of years. | ||
| Who was trying to claim them? | ||
| Well, he was trying to claim them in succession. | ||
| So, like, say if you opened up the Stylebender yoga class and you used all Bikram's moves. | ||
| That's not a bad idea. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Stylebender. | ||
| Especially if you want to meet yoga girls. | ||
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Holla. | |
| Sit in the back of the class. | ||
| Holla. | ||
| What he is essentially saying is that he came up with this idea to put them all in that particular order, which is a super effective order. | ||
| Like his order of yoga poses is an amazing order. | ||
| Is it the same worldwide? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Everywhere you go. | ||
| I've taken classes everywhere. | ||
| It's all the same. | ||
| Because I only went to one, so I thought it's the same thing for that. | ||
| If you do the, well, there's, you know, there's like vinyasa, there's flow classes, which are also very interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I've taken those too, but there's something really good about the 90-minute Bikram program. | ||
| He just has it nailed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He figured it out. | ||
| But I don't even know if that was his idea. | ||
| I think there was other people that did that. | ||
| He sued people. | ||
| Oh, he did? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a gangster. | ||
| He's so crazy. | ||
| They had this... | ||
| I mean, I don't even mean it in a good way. | ||
| They had this HBO documentary where they're interviewing him, and he was talking about girls saying that he banged him and all this different thing. | ||
| He goes, listen to me. | ||
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He goes, there are people that would pay $1 million for one drop of my sperm. | |
| $1 million. | ||
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He's getting interviewed by HBO. And he's like... | |
| Like as if there's a bunch of people waiting, like an auction house filled with people. | ||
| Who wants three ounces? | ||
| Right here. | ||
| One million dollars. | ||
| We have one million dollars for one drop of sperm. | ||
| Who's in? | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| What does he even look like? | ||
| I'll take three drops. | ||
| What kind of specimen is he? | ||
| Is he like an old type dude? | ||
| Is he in shape? | ||
| He's not holding it together the best. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, like, if you and him, if you didn't see, if you're both the same skin color, and you didn't see your heads, and you looked at your torsos, you would know who's who. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Let's put it that way. | ||
| Yeah, let's put it that way. | ||
| I mean, he's like a 70-year-old guy. | ||
| I mean, how long can you hang in there? | ||
| Can he still make sperm? | ||
| One drop of my sperm. | ||
| One million dollars. | ||
| One million dollars. | ||
| Yeah, he's, uh, there he is. | ||
| Holler at your boy. | ||
| Still looking jacked. | ||
| Is that him? | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Go large on that picture. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| Probably eating a few too many carbs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Needs to get some squats or some hill runs in. | ||
| But when it comes to yoga, he's flexible as fuck and knows how to do all that shit. | ||
| Doesn't look 70. Well, you know what, man? | ||
| Look, let's go back to that picture again real quick. | ||
| There he goes. | ||
| Go back to that picture again real quick in his underwear. | ||
| The one on the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right above that. | ||
|
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Right above that. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
|
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Look at that. | |
| Let me just be real as fuck. | ||
| Gravity's a thing. | ||
| Gravity's a thing. | ||
| And let's be real as fuck. | ||
| If you walk around wearing underwear like that in a yoga class, you're there to fuck. | ||
| That guy's there to fuck. | ||
| He's there to fuck. | ||
| And if you leave a girl alone with him, he's going to touch her. | ||
| He's going to pull that Indian dick out. | ||
| He's going to send it home. | ||
| He's going to send... | ||
| What's an Indian dick as opposed to like a French dick? | ||
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It comes out like a cobra! | |
| Look at that guy. | ||
| He's wearing little tiny skivvies. | ||
| Oh man, he's out here. | ||
| If you're a dude and you commit... | ||
| That's me at 70. You can't be like an amateur yoga guy. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Wow, look at that girl. | ||
| That's from the Kama Sutra. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Might be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You can't have underwear like that on and not be good at yoga. | ||
| If you're like a beginner and you fall down every time you try to do eagle pose, they'll talk to you. | ||
| Hey man, why don't you put some more clothes on? | ||
| But if he walks in there with his man bun... | ||
| He earns a right to flex. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a right to flex, man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, he's fucking... | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If you were a bowler, you had a bowling glove covered with rhinestones. | ||
| Like, you better be good. | ||
| Michael Jackson glove style thing. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Oh, that's the thing. | ||
| Someone should do it. | ||
| Someone should do it, right? | ||
| Boiling love with rhinestones on it. | ||
| What else do you do? | ||
| Do you ever do gymnastics? | ||
| Gymnastics? | ||
| No, I dance. | ||
| What kind of dance? | ||
| You said that earlier. | ||
| I forgot to go back to that. | ||
| So I started off with popping as a kid. | ||
| Now I'm crump. | ||
| I crump dance. | ||
| That's like, yeah. | ||
| What's a crump dance? | ||
| Crump dance is... | ||
| Actually, it originated in LA. Really? | ||
| Yeah, South Central LA. Like, Tide Eyes and Big Mijo started it off. | ||
| But I remember I watched this movie as a kid called Rise, and that's kind of what introduced it to the world. | ||
| Kind of like the way Ong Bak did with Muay Thai, made it more mainstream. | ||
| Rise, it's spelled R-I. This is it right here? | ||
| This is popping. | ||
| This is with Poppin' Pete. | ||
| Look up a guy called Tide Eyes. | ||
| T-I-T. This guy's good. | ||
| Look at him go. | ||
| Poppin' Pete's the shit. | ||
| Hold on, let that guy go. | ||
| So this guy's from the Electric Boogaloos. | ||
| So this is how I started off. | ||
| Look at him go. | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| What's with the towel though, seriously? | ||
| Are your hands that sweaty? | ||
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He'll probably use it with a move or something. | |
| Oh yeah, he's a man. | ||
| It's so strange that people went thousands of years without these styles, and then when electronic music came along, people went, oh, the sound's different, let's move different. | ||
| Yeah, but for me, I had this metamorphosis last year, around my birthday, and then, for whatever reason, I just went back to dance because I felt like I had this dance. | ||
| You know how people get writer's block? | ||
| I had dancer's block for like maybe six years or five years. | ||
| I just couldn't create. | ||
| I could dance. | ||
| I could flow, but I couldn't create anything. | ||
| Do you know Lomachenko studied four years of Ukrainian dance? | ||
| Yeah, I heard. | ||
| Yeah, I heard. | ||
| Classical Ukrainian dance. | ||
| One thing I learned is muscle memory. | ||
| I know dancers who have to do shows and they have to learn like 20 different sequences and that's for the whole show like 20 different each sequence might be like anywhere from a minute to three minutes and they have to do it like that so when I started dancing again when I went back to training drilling my I can retain that information so much better like it's muscle memory right so I don't even have to think about certain moves when I do it just boom Because, oh, I remember this. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| And the muscle just does like, how do you do that? | ||
| I wasn't thinking. | ||
| So dancing really translates into muscle memory like that in an effortless way. | ||
| Like dancers, I think, have the best muscle memory or maybe one of the best in the world. | ||
| Well, it makes sense that you're learning to use your body in a choreographed way almost like a kata. | ||
| I used to think katas were stupid when I was a kid. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| I used to think it was dumb. | ||
| I thought they were cool when I was a kid. | ||
| I think they look cool when someone's doing it, but I hate learning. | ||
| I felt like I only learned them to get the next belt, but then once I learned them, I forgot them totally. | ||
| But now that I think back, I realize that was a mistake on my part because what that was was... | ||
| I thought I knew better, which is hilarious. | ||
| I thought I knew better than people who learned martial arts for thousands of years. | ||
| And it's not that kata makes you a better fighter, but it makes you have better control of your body. | ||
| And the thing about, like, holding a sidekick up in the air, there's a lot of people that just can't do that. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I've seen, like, Dapheth, he's the guy that taught me Taekwondo. | ||
| No, like literally his dexterity in his legs, he'll on one leg, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, while moving forward. | ||
| And he'll do it the other leg, like all the way down, all the way back up Southport. | ||
| I think there's a balance. | ||
| I think the balance is between that and maybe the tie style. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to find. | ||
| And sometimes you can go one side too much, but you have to be objective enough to know, okay, this is what I need. | ||
| And you feel your body. | ||
| And for each fight as well, you know what you want to use. | ||
| Like with him, I was going to... | ||
| I was going to throw some spinning shit at some point, but I did. | ||
| Nick Diaz has changed what spinning shit is by saying that, oh, we're throwing spinning shit now. | ||
| I met him. | ||
| I met him. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| It was after I saw Dana and him. | ||
| So I was walking around with Tony. | ||
| Shout out to Tony Angelov. | ||
| And then I see Jay Silva, who's the guy who used to fight. | ||
| He's a thick boy. | ||
| He fights, I think, out of Ruka. | ||
| And he just kind of recognized, hey, what's up? | ||
| And then he got me into the club. | ||
| And then, yeah, Nick Diaz showed up. | ||
| I said, hey, what's up? | ||
| How are you? | ||
| And I just shook his hand and that was it. | ||
| And yeah, he's a legend in the game. | ||
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Cool guy. | |
| He is a legend. | ||
| He's still fighting. | ||
| Well, he's doing whatever the fuck Nick Diaz wants to do right now. | ||
| I just see him in Las Vegas all the time. | ||
| I think he's only going to fight for a... | ||
| I think this is... | ||
| I'm going to go out on a limb here. | ||
| I think the lack of the UFC talking Nick Diaz into a fight... | ||
| I know he's crazy and he knows he's crazy too. | ||
| That is a criminal, criminal underuse of a valued asset. | ||
| I think if you wanted to have a giant pay-per-view right now... | ||
| He's a big star. | ||
| Fuck, he's a huge star. | ||
| So is his brother. | ||
| But they haven't fought in forever. | ||
| Nate hasn't fought since he lost to Conor in the very close rematch. | ||
| I think he's only coming back for the big money fight. | ||
| Well, probably. | ||
| He made a ton of money, and he doesn't live a crazy lifestyle. | ||
| And I believe Nate just got a kid. | ||
| Real? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I read that on Google. | ||
| See if that's true. | ||
| Nate Diaz just had a child. | ||
| Either way, congratulations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Salute. | ||
| Either congratulations you had a kid, or congratulations that you didn't. | ||
| I love that dude, though. | ||
| I love Nate and I love Nick, too. | ||
| I love the style, the way they fought. | ||
| They're fun. | ||
| I remember that Paul Daly fight. | ||
| I watched it live, bro. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I don't think I sat down for that fight. | ||
| You were there live? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was on the couch while I was standing up on the couch. | ||
| That was a crazy fight. | ||
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Shit. | |
| He got clipped, too. | ||
| He's one of the rare people that's got clipped by Paul Daly and survived. | ||
| Yeah, come back and then knock them out. | ||
| See the way Paul fell back as well? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| The stanky leg. | ||
| It's almost like his legs just gave out. | ||
| He's exhausted. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it is. | ||
| Exhaustion. | ||
| I keep saying it's easier to knock someone out when they're tired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that fight. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Brad had good cardio. | ||
| He was able to take it. | ||
| And I was finding it. | ||
| There was one I hit him with a body shot. | ||
| I think a body kick. | ||
| And yeah, he went for a takedown straight away. | ||
| I pushed him off, framed him, got him against the face or something. | ||
| But... | ||
| Yeah, it's easy to get... | ||
| Like, some of these guys, you can see, he never gave me that sign, like, I'm ready to go. | ||
| Like, when they're ready to go, like, I want out. | ||
| They'll tell you. | ||
| One of the most overwhelming performances of Nick's career was against Frank Shamrock. | ||
| Frank Shamrock. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| That was when I was like, whoa. | ||
| Just body shot. | ||
| He put his head on his chest and just... | ||
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It was also talking shit to him, and Frank was like, really? | |
| You're talking shit to me? | ||
| Yeah, I saw that interview. | ||
| He was like, yeah, I couldn't believe it. | ||
| It's like... | ||
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Ah! | |
| No, but honestly, like that pace, even like my first fight, it's sort of Diaz-esque in a way where it's like I didn't do it when I knew he was ready to go. | ||
| I just put a steady pace. | ||
| Just put your foot on gas a little bit, but not gas it out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just pop, pop, pop, pop, find the shot, find the shot, find the shot. | ||
| There's no need to like, it's wasted energy. | ||
| Well, you've got a wise approach to your overall MMA game, but in particular to your striking game. | ||
| You're one of those guys that's showing people that you can be very exciting, but take minimal. | ||
| There was a couple moments in that fight where Brad was charging at you, where you're like, hup, hup, hup, here we go, and we're out the other side. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| And take the center. | ||
| People don't take the center, man. | ||
| Almost as exciting as watching someone get knocked down. | ||
| I like watching someone figure out that, like, the right hand's coming, the left hand's coming behind it. | ||
| I'm not there. | ||
| Here I am. | ||
| It would have been a clean sweep if one judge didn't give one round to him. | ||
| But I don't know which round he gave, because I thought I had all five rounds after watching it. | ||
| So it was like 50-45, 50-45, and then 49-46. | ||
| And I was like, damn, that would have been cool if it was just like a 50-45 clean sweep. | ||
| Well, the most important thing was not a judge's interpretation of it. | ||
| It was the actual performance. | ||
| Yeah, and people enjoyed it. | ||
| Some people, they get caught up in knockouts a lot, like, oh, he didn't finish Brad, though. | ||
| But a lot of people, the response was, I'd rather see that than just a quick finish, because he worked the guy. | ||
| He didn't get gassed. | ||
| I didn't dip. | ||
| Maybe the third round I might have dipped a little bit, but I didn't look it. | ||
| I had my poker face on. | ||
| I was fine. | ||
| I felt fresh. | ||
| And I even said after my last fight before that, I was based on a three-round camp. | ||
| The one I fought in Arizona, it was based on a three-round camp. | ||
| And I looked in the camera, I was like, I can go five rounds. | ||
| I told Eugene, my coach, I was like, man, I feel like I can go another two rounds easily. | ||
| And this camp was based around five rounds. | ||
| So after this fight, honestly, I had the reserve ready. | ||
| I was like, maybe three rounds I could have gone if I needed to. | ||
| Do you ever anticipate a time where people would have more than five rounds in an MMA fight? | ||
| Probably not anymore. | ||
| Most of the time it's totally unnecessary. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I thought it was too long. | ||
| I was like, I'm gonna get this guy in like three rounds. | ||
| I thought so. | ||
| I felt so. | ||
| I was like, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that's just me bigging up myself, you know, my own ego. | ||
| But yeah, I just felt like I would have taken him in two or three rounds. | ||
| But five rounds and I still look good doing it. | ||
| So I was happy with it. | ||
| Now, when you see a guy like Paulo Costa, who has like this just... | ||
| I mean, he's not totally hittable, where like everything you throw, you're going to hit him, but he's much more aggressive, much more in your face. | ||
| You see these? | ||
| What? | ||
| Short arms? | ||
| I was stood next to him. | ||
| He iced me. | ||
| He's trying to act like he doesn't know who I am. | ||
| And I saw interviews, like, oh, I do not know that guy. | ||
| I was like, dude, you know who the fuck I am now? | ||
| And I said that after my first fight because these guys want to pretend. | ||
| And I don't know where it comes from. | ||
| Maybe because of years of not getting noticed. | ||
| So I'm like, don't try and act like... | ||
| Because a lot of guys, they'll creep on my Instagram and then see me in real life and act all high and mighty. | ||
| And I'm a nice guy. | ||
| I like to be friendly. | ||
| I like to hug people. | ||
| Say what's up. | ||
| At least just nod like, hey, what's up? | ||
| I know who you are. | ||
| You know who I am. | ||
| But some people flex too much. | ||
| So for him, yeah, he knows who I am. | ||
| And his manager, what's his name? | ||
| The fucking Gremlin. | ||
| Cameron, I don't know. | ||
|
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What's your name? | |
| No, he looks like fucking Ariel. | ||
| Was it Ariel? | ||
| He looks like... | ||
| Oh, Waleed Ishmael. | ||
| You know Undertaker's guy? | ||
| Do you know who he is? | ||
| Waleed is a mixed martial arts legend. | ||
| He fights. | ||
| Dude, he fought in UFC 12. Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He fought Takahashi? | ||
| Is that who he fought? | ||
| Maybe it was 13. UFC 12 or 13. Dude, he choked out Hoist Gracie in a jiu-jitsu match in Rio. | ||
| When Hoist Gracie had just won all the UFCs and he was a fucking man... | ||
| Put him in real jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Waleed Ishmael, who was a Carlson Gracie black belt, watch this. | ||
| He got a hold of Hoist, and this was in Brazil in a giant fucking audience. | ||
| It was in a soccer stadium, I think. | ||
| It was a big-ass audience. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And they wound up going to the ground, scoot ahead. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| And Waleed got him in a clock choke. | ||
| And I remember this because at the time, yeah, at the time, I was like, maybe a blue belt. | ||
| And I tapped a guy with a clock choke. | ||
| And I was like, clock chokes on this shit! | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And he... | ||
| I remember those with the gi. | ||
| Clock chokes. | ||
| I tried it a little bit. | ||
| I can do it when it's not sweaty, but I'm with my arms because I got long arms. | ||
| So I can kind of get it a little bit if I tweak it right. | ||
| And Waleed had that constant... | ||
| Waleedji, they used to call him. | ||
| He had that constant pressure, Carlson-Gracy top game, crushing, you know, where you're going to shit out bone fragments after you roll with them. | ||
| That was their style, man. | ||
| Scoot ahead a little bit and you see Waleed gets that clock choke. | ||
| You can tell he's the guy That's like talking for Paul. | ||
| Right here. | ||
| He got it here. | ||
| And he wound up putting Hoist to sleep. | ||
| Hoist didn't even tap. | ||
| Yo, he's out. | ||
| Went out like a warrior. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at that fucking pressure. | ||
| Look at everybody running onto the mat. | ||
| You gotta let it go. | ||
| Fuck, that was a little bit too long. | ||
|
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Well, he didn't know. | |
| He was on the outside. | ||
| The referee should have known. | ||
| I saw it was out. | ||
| It was limp. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
|
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Shit. | |
| But this was... | ||
| See, there was Carlson back then. | ||
| This was when there was a bit of a rivalry between Carlson Gracie and, you know... | ||
| Yeah, I heard about that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Hickson and Hoyce and Hoyler. | ||
| There was a bit of a rivalry. | ||
| It was out. | ||
| He was a beast, man. | ||
| So that little guy... | ||
| So he's just managing now. | ||
| He's managing now. | ||
| He's taking care of fighters and stuff like that, but he's a real legend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Waleed's a beast. | ||
| Oh, his spec, his spec. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But like, for real, he's the guy that I think talks for Paula a lot, because... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Paula's... | ||
| I respect him trying to learn English as well. | ||
| That's one of the reasons I was like, I really want Uriah Hall to win, because he was talking all this shit. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And if he wins, I want to see him. | ||
| And the build-up for that fight would be fun, because I will fuck him up. | ||
| You felt like there was holes in Uriah's game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In his game as well. | ||
| Yeah, in Paul's game as well. | ||
| There's holes in his game. | ||
| What did you see in Paulo? | ||
| Can you say? | ||
| Paulo, he gets hit. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| And you know how Uriah was tapping him with the jab? | ||
| If I was behind those jabs, it'd be different setups. | ||
| It'd be a different setup. | ||
| I can come up with... | ||
| Few other pathways after that jab. | ||
| Like Uriah was hitting the jab, but that's it. | ||
| He hit the jab. | ||
| And his chin's up. | ||
| He'll hit the jab. | ||
| And what do you do after the jab? | ||
| After you land it seven times, you've got to do something else with it. | ||
| You can't just keep jabbing him, jabbing him. | ||
| Well, it seemed like Costa had extreme confidence in his ability to knock out Uriah. | ||
| He didn't respect his jab. | ||
| He will respect my jab. | ||
| Like, look at my knuckle. | ||
| So this is my moose knuckle. | ||
| This is my regular knuckle. | ||
| Moose knuckle. | ||
| That thing's been worn, son. | ||
| No, that's from, what's his name? | ||
| It got a little bit more swollen because of Brad Tavares. | ||
| This is my regular knuckle. | ||
| And, like, I was jabbing him at first. | ||
| Is that swollen right now from the fight? | ||
| A little bit, but normally it's just forever. | ||
| That's a rock, son. | ||
| That's a triple knuckle. | ||
| That ain't even a double knuckle. | ||
| That's a triple knuckle. | ||
| It's a moose knuckle. | ||
| Ouchy, wah-wah. | ||
| Yeah, but with Brett, in the beginning, my jab, he was slipping it. | ||
| And I was like, all right, and then you just said, drop it down. | ||
| And at one point, he tried to counter it like Tyrone Sprung. | ||
| Slipped the jab and counter. | ||
| But I recognized it. | ||
| I was like, okay, cool. | ||
| Drop it down. | ||
| And I hit him. | ||
| I think I went down to the legs, and I took away a tension from the top. | ||
| Then I was able to go back to the jab, and I busted him off the jab. | ||
| Now, when you're training, do you spend time to work on traditional moves like wheel kicks and side kicks and all that shit that you throw occasionally? | ||
| Or do you throw them into your overall pad work game? | ||
| The pad work, Eugene, he has his own system. | ||
| Everyone's different. | ||
| Treats every fighter as an individual. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So he knows what me, what he can do on the pads and what I like to pull. | ||
| And if I have an idea like, oh, try this out. | ||
| He's open. | ||
| He's not like... | ||
| He's very open, man. | ||
| He doesn't understand. | ||
| He doesn't try and limit you from what you can do or what you can create. | ||
| So all the spinning stuff, all the creativity, the things that I kind of bring myself, I try just... | ||
| 2 a.m. | ||
| just walking around my house, shadow walking sometimes, you know, just in my own free time. | ||
| I just think about certain things, like how can I... Do this different. | ||
| Even someone like Chad Mendes, there's something he does, like he fakes the shot in uppercut. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| We're completely different body types, but I like that. | ||
| And I have my own setups for that. | ||
| Just because I feel like it's a good move, but with different body types. | ||
| And he has his own setups. | ||
| So I like to create on my own. | ||
| And then if I have any ideas or anything that I feel I can work well with the pads or with our flow, I'll let him know. | ||
| And he's open to it. | ||
| Well, you're one of these guys that's coming up right now that's in this new wave of MMA fighters. | ||
| It seems to me that there's an incremental increase in the skill level. | ||
| There's always all-time greats like Cain Velasquez and fill-in-the-blank. | ||
| There's Anderson Silva. | ||
| There's these guys that burst out and they stand out. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| As extreme performers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there seems to me, like right now, to be a new, Zabit Magomed Sharapov, that guy, there's a few of these guys that are coming up where you watch them, you go, whoa, there's some next level. | ||
| You recognize, like a guy like me who's seen it for so many years, I go, okay, there's some next level shit going on right now. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's like we're talking about Lomachenko. | ||
| Lomachenko's footwork and movement, okay, this is next level shit. | ||
| I've seen a lot. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure there's been some all-time greats when you go to guys like Pernell Whitaker and guys like Floyd Mayweather, you know, artistic geniuses. | ||
| But there's something that Lomachenko's doing that they're not doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Even some things, I watch his footwork. | ||
| I watch the way he looks. | ||
| And you see my fight as well. | ||
| I like to look at guys. | ||
| I don't just close my eyes and hope. | ||
| Throw in hope. | ||
| I don't throw in hope. | ||
| I aim and fire. | ||
| That's one of my quotes. | ||
| I say that. | ||
| But he does the same thing. | ||
| He likes to look. | ||
| And he's aware of where he is. | ||
| He's data crunching. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| He's chunking. | ||
| He's chunking all that information. | ||
| Physically. | ||
| Muscle memory. | ||
| Like I say, he's a dancer. | ||
| He learned four years of ballet. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| Rhythm. | ||
| Timing. | ||
| Offbeat. | ||
| Onbeat. | ||
| It all translates well into fighting, like, easily. | ||
| Yeah, it really does. | ||
| And it's so fascinating to me. | ||
| And watching all these, like, new versions of different styles. | ||
| Like, Khabib, in my opinion, is a new version of the ground-and-pound style. | ||
| Like, I watch his ground-and-pound, I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. | ||
| Like, he's such a... | ||
| Like, when he fought Michael Johnson, there's no Justin Gagey fight there, son. | ||
| This is a mauling. | ||
| This is a goddamn mauling. | ||
| He's getting mauled by some crazy alien from another planet. | ||
| I like the way he traps the hands, and I had one on Brad as well, a little bit, but I think he recognized it and he tried to go away. | ||
| This is when I had his back for a brief moment in that fight, probably about a good 30 seconds, and I trapped his hand. | ||
| I learned that from BJJ Scout. | ||
| It was on a Ben Askren video, but Brad wouldn't let me have his right hand. | ||
| But I got it, though, because I got these fucking monkey fingers. | ||
| I can grip really well, so I hold it. | ||
| And I peppered him a little bit. | ||
| And then that's when I kind of got to the fence and something happened. | ||
| Got a Kimura. | ||
| But I picked from everyone. | ||
| Khabib. | ||
| There's a way he traps the hands. | ||
| We call that the Khabib. | ||
| When I get to my training partner, I start talking like, you will never get this. | ||
| I want this title shot. | ||
| I just kind of mimic guys like that just because they're good at what they do. | ||
| And if I can get it and make it work for me like Bruce Lee, make it my own. | ||
| I'm really intrigued. | ||
| I mean, I was really bummed out that Max Holloway had to pull out of that fight. | ||
| I'm glad Michael Bispin called him out on that, though, man. | ||
| Because I think most other people would have just kind of like, oh, well, good luck. | ||
| But he called him out on TV like, bro, you look like you just woke up. | ||
| And you can tell. | ||
| Yeah, he recognized something. | ||
| When I watched the interview, because I heard about it before I watched the interview. | ||
| And I was like, oh, obviously. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's just like, you know, I feel great. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Something's wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Facts, yeah. | ||
| And he would have fought. | ||
| He would have rehydrated and fought, maybe not to the best of his ability, but... | ||
| Well, he might have got knocked out. | ||
| He might have got hit with a punch and got knocked out. | ||
| Ortega's no joke. | ||
| No joke. | ||
| And you don't want to come up against a guy like that and be slack. | ||
| He should go to lightweight, I think. | ||
| Ortega's fascinating to me because the way he locks up submissions is so next level. | ||
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I love it. | |
| Long range. | ||
| I like his chokes. | ||
| Not just that. | ||
| The technique is so sharp, man. | ||
| When he dives on shit. | ||
| When he got Cub in that... | ||
| He got him in a darse at the end of the first round. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| That is tight. | ||
| But there was something about the finality to it. | ||
| There was like, this is not a question of whether or not he's going to finish it. | ||
| Well, it was not that. | ||
| It was the solidity of the technique. | ||
| It was like when he locked it in, there was no doubt this fight was over and then the bell rang. | ||
| And then I was like, whoa. | ||
| This wasn't slippery. | ||
| This wasn't like maybe he's going to get out. | ||
| You know how a guy gets a guillotine and he's like, he's getting out, he's going to get out. | ||
| This wasn't that. | ||
| This was death. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And then he got him with a guillotine. | ||
| He jumped on his guard. | ||
| He jumped and got him in a guillotine. | ||
| Looks beautiful. | ||
| That kind of stuff. | ||
| Like Ortega, I like the way he looks. | ||
| I look at guys like that because similar body types. | ||
| And lately, I've been catching that. | ||
| You see, in the fifth round, Give me another maybe seven seconds. | ||
| I would have squeezed that. | ||
| But it rang on the belt. | ||
| But every time someone goes for certain things, I can snatch the neck. | ||
| But the thing is, I don't have that the way Ortega has where he knows, like, okay, it's done. | ||
| Like, for me, I'm like, I think it's tight. | ||
| Let me try. | ||
| You know how it is, right? | ||
| If you tried to throw a jab hook with one hand and then throw it with the other hand, it just doesn't feel right with the other hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm bi-stantial. | ||
| I bet you are. | ||
| Bi-stantial? | ||
| But you know some people, like from my own personal experience, my left hand, I know how to do it with my left side. | ||
| But my right side, it feels like awkward. | ||
| But there's a squeeze that you develop. | ||
| Certain guys just get like this Marcelo Garcia style squeeze. | ||
| That's what he has. | ||
| And Ortega's got it. | ||
| I want that. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You can get it. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I can catch the neck. | ||
| But the thing is, when I catch it, I'm not dead set sure like, okay, it's over now. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| If you don't tap, you're going to sleep. | ||
| But if you just tapped a certain amount of black belts with that, you would have that feeling. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| He's a beast, man. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| He's so fucking explosive on the ground. | ||
| He throws up triangles and arm bars. | ||
|
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I like his style. | |
| I like his creativity as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He thinks outside the box. | ||
| Well, knocking out Frankie was giant and hitting him with an uppercut like that. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Out of nowhere. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Frankie can take it, too. | ||
| I saw Frankie fight in Atlantic City after that. | ||
| A few weeks after. | ||
| Four weeks after, I think it was. | ||
| He fought Cub Swanson. | ||
| That's a dangerous fight to take after getting knocked out by Ortega. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| About guys doing that? | ||
| Like getting stopped? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Nah, same. | ||
| Take time off. | ||
| After that knockout in Brazil, I took about... | ||
| I fought again in July. | ||
| Were you totally unconscious in that fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so I remember this is what happened. | ||
| I woke up. | ||
| I was like, oh shit, okay, let me try and get up. | ||
| Fuck, my arms just felt like noodles. | ||
| I was like, alright, whatever. | ||
| And then this kid, this fucking little shithead, like a baby, came over and just like, I think he either yelled at my face or whatever, and I was like, whatever. | ||
| And then, because it's Brazil, they go crazy, like, holy shit, he knocked this guy out. | ||
| So where was the kid? | ||
| Like near you by the ring? | ||
| He came in the ring. | ||
| He came in the ring? | ||
| The referee had to like, yo, everyone, get order again. | ||
| It was chaos. | ||
| And this is while they were doing the count? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I was trying to get up. | ||
| I was trying to get up. | ||
| And then like, nah, I think it was just over after that. | ||
| Then I had, okay, cool, good fight. | ||
| Gave him a, what do you call it, fist pound. | ||
| And then the kid again came over next to me and just laid on the ground just like. | ||
| To mock you? | ||
| Yeah, I was just stomping his face. | ||
| How old was the kid? | ||
| Seven. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| If you can crawl, we can brawl. | ||
| Shout out to Michael Blackson. | ||
| Oh shit, that's funny. | ||
| If you can crawl, we can brawl. | ||
| That is fucking hilarious. | ||
| Style better is ruthless. | ||
| No, but then, it was a dick move at the time. | ||
| Well, seven. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was probably his kid, right? | ||
| Was that his kid? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He could have got it either way. | ||
| If your dad don't spank you, I'll spank you. | ||
| That's hilarious! | ||
| But then I remember, like, flashes as well, walking out. | ||
| We used into the stadium, then we walked outside. | ||
| We just sat there, and I was like, breathe. | ||
| I was like, what happened? | ||
| And he just told me what happened, and I was like, alright, okay. | ||
| And then, I remember back in the hotel, chilling, and then... | ||
| Yeah, I felt like, fuck, I'm okay. | ||
| This is the worst case scenario. | ||
| I'm okay. | ||
| And that was my first only ever knockout loss. | ||
| Knock on wood. | ||
| And I was just like, fine. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And do you think you learned something in that fight about not giving in to your emotions? | ||
| I just don't let people, like people, you're the man. | ||
| You ain't shit. | ||
| Now I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I only give a fuck about those who I care about. | ||
| Someone like Ash or Eugene, my close people, if they say something about me that hurts me, then I'll give a fuck. | ||
| Or if it's someone like, oh, bro, you're the man, this, that. | ||
| Or you got to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or be more this, this. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| I just smile and wave. | ||
| Because I don't give a fuck what they think. | ||
| They're no one to me. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| After that fight, I shouldn't have given into people's opinions of myself. | ||
| I should have stayed true to me. | ||
| And just fucked him up in the second round. | ||
| I would have knocked him out if I just didn't. | ||
| Literally, just right hands. | ||
| Why am I only throwing right hands? | ||
| So you think that's like a critical lesson in your career? | ||
| Facts! | ||
| I'm glad it happened. | ||
| In the moment, in hindsight, it's like, oh fuck. | ||
| Sucks. | ||
| And I hate losing. | ||
| I fucking hate losing. | ||
| One thing, I went 40-0 before I had my first loss. | ||
| And that was to Simon Marcus. | ||
| Batty boy Simon Marcus. | ||
| And I beat him in that fight as well. | ||
| But another judge, all three rounds. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| I beat him all three rounds. | ||
| I believe you, but that's a big fight to win. | ||
| Yeah, extra round. | ||
| They made an extra round. | ||
| And that extra round still beat him, but then they gave it to him because he was a super side at the time. | ||
| And I realized, oh, shit, I lost. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I lived my life, and that was it. | ||
| But I took winning for granted for so long in kickboxing because I was always expecting to win. | ||
| And after that, after a fight, okay, what's next? | ||
| Cool. | ||
| I watched the fight maybe twice, maybe even once. | ||
| Sometimes I only watched the fight, and then that's it. | ||
| What's next? | ||
| But this weekend, ever since I got to the UFC or just before, every single fight after I win, because my brain tries to go to that place where it's like, okay, what's next? | ||
| But I'm like, wait, stop. | ||
| Nigga, you just main evented in Vegas, your first fight, smoked this dude, all five rounds, and you're on top of the world right now. | ||
| Take this in. | ||
| That's why I'll sit down, look at the T-Mobile arena and just like, I might have been a little iry as well, just by myself in my room. | ||
| And then just get, like, you get objective. | ||
| And I sit down, I just like let it sink in like, yo, you're out here, you're doing the damn thing. | ||
| And really embrace it. | ||
| Eventually, when I go back home and I let things settle down and I move back into the floor of things, I'll start to get over it. | ||
| But one thing I forget, smell the roses. | ||
| Just stop sometimes and smell the roses. | ||
| And it's not cocky. | ||
| It's just appreciating what you've done because you've put a lot of work into this, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a good attitude, man. | ||
| I mean, I think what you're doing in terms of your ability to reflect on yourself and to be real objective about your abilities and where you want to go. | ||
| I learned that from your podcast. | ||
| The one thing you said, because I don't have any big brothers, so I don't really have anyone sunning me, apart from Eugene. | ||
| But sometimes, when I first started listening, you used to tell, don't be a bitch. | ||
| You had this big rant one time. | ||
| If you want to do this and do that, follow your dreams. | ||
| Conquer your inner bitch. | ||
| Yeah, conquer your inner bitch. | ||
| Everybody has an inner bitch. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| If you're a human... | ||
| I'm a bitch in the streets, man. | ||
| You got a little voice in there. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah. | ||
| Part of that was part of the fuel that helped me amongst a lot of other things. | ||
| I take inspiration from everything to help me get out of that. | ||
| I remember the day... | ||
| September 4th, 2013, I was just like, yep, I'm out. | ||
| And I never worked a day in my life again. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Never again. | ||
| I couldn't do it. | ||
| You have talent, man. | ||
| You don't have to anymore. | ||
| You're working, but you're working at something you have a passion towards. | ||
| You're still working. | ||
| It doesn't feel like work. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| If you work in the office, that's your thing. | ||
| And if you don't feel like you're working and you have a passion for what you're doing, just do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then, like I said, some guys who are fighting and they don't, they just do it because it gets, like Brendan Sharp, he was doing it because he's great at it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Pays the bills, but now look at him. | ||
| Comedian, podcast. | ||
| He recognized it though. | ||
| He's a wise guy in that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He recognized there was this thing that he just, you go back to like his fight with Cro Cop or some of his earlier fights, he had a different attitude about fighting and then he realized he didn't have it anymore, but he was still getting paid well, so he didn't know how to jump out. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| So if you're not enjoying, it doesn't matter what it is, just Offed out. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| You helped him though. | ||
| I listened to that. | ||
| I was cringing the whole time. | ||
| I had to. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's like a brother to me. | ||
| I tell my homies all the time. | ||
| He wasn't all there. | ||
| In terms of like, he wasn't all in. | ||
|
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Facts. | |
| I tell my homies all the time because a lot of people like... | ||
| They don't know how to handle, like, not the new me, but the new lifestyle around me. | ||
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It's weird. | |
| People get, they get, like, they become, like, groupies in a way. | ||
| What's spooky? | ||
| It's spooky, because you broke through the membrane into the neighboring dimension. | ||
| You know, like, Like, oh shit, Stylebender's on TV. I'm still me. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| But to people that know you and then all of a sudden see you on TV, that's a mindfuck, man. | ||
| I remember seeing my first friends get on TV when I was a comedian. | ||
| And watching them on TV going, whoa, a kid weirded me out. | ||
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I know that guy. | |
| I know that guy and I see him on TV. Facts. | ||
| But for me, so the ones that are around me now, they're the ones that can check me. | ||
| They can handle it. | ||
| They can check me if I fuck up. | ||
| I'm not perfect. | ||
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I mean... | |
| Everyone fucks up. | ||
| There's no such thing. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| If I do something and I'm in the wrong, they'll tell me, like, hey, you need to pull your head in. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So you need people like that. | ||
| I'm glad I have people like that now. | ||
| Well, having people like that and also having people like Dan Hooker in your camp, having people like all the other training partners that you were talking about, having great coaches, all those things have to be together. | ||
| It's like you have to have people that are honest, that are assessing you. | ||
| You have to have a good trainer who's looking at you, who knows you. | ||
| It's like you're a little off today, you're a little slow today, or today we're going to ramp it up. | ||
| I think you're hitting the next level. | ||
| We're going to add in some more different things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Being able to adjust and adapt to each other. | |
| Everyone's different individually, even with fighting the style. | ||
| So that's one thing I love about our staff at City Kickboxing is because they can look at someone and be like, cool, he needs to do this. | ||
| He needs to work on this better. | ||
| And it's beautiful. | ||
| Honestly, 20, 30 years from now, I keep telling my teammates, they're going to talk about We talk about them, but we don't realize it. | ||
| Like Majiro Jim, like when people talk about Ernesto Hu's Jim. | ||
| 100%, Majiro. | ||
| I've met Manat, Andre Manat as well in China. | ||
| He's a kickboxing legend as well. | ||
| But yeah, one day I'll go out there and get some work done. | ||
| Probably at the end of the year. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, mix it up. | ||
| Travel around. | ||
| I love New Zealand, don't get me wrong. | ||
| When I see the Sky Tower when I hit Auckland, I get excited like a little dog when it sees the park, you know what I mean? | ||
| I love being home, but it's good to get out there, get some work, and without ego. | ||
| Because one thing I realize now is if I go to a different gym, it'll be different now because, oh, he's that guy. | ||
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Right. | |
| Sparring. | ||
| You might try to hurt you. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And, bro, we can play. | ||
| We can play, but I don't get paid for that. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You're also in one of the most beautiful countries that's ever existed. | ||
| There's something about New Zealand, man. | ||
| I've never been personally, but there's a reason why they filmed The Hobbit there. | ||
| Because, like, you look at some of that shit and it looks magical. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It feels good to be, like, I just love the vibe. | ||
| It's the vibe of New Zealand I like. | ||
| What is the vibe like? | ||
| It's chill. | ||
| Everyone's real loose. | ||
| Not like loose like Australia. | ||
| You can't get loose like that, but it's relaxed. | ||
| What's the difference between loose like Australia and loose like New Zealand? | ||
| All Australians are loose cunts. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| Bam Bam drinks out of a shoe. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| Aussies, like, the attitude. | ||
| And they're cool as well. | ||
| It can be chill, but you can get some real loose cunts there. | ||
| Like in New Zealand, like in anywhere, like in America. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, but generically speaking, like, it's just, yeah, Australians, depends where you go. | ||
| Melbourne's my city. | ||
| That's my favorite city in Australia. | ||
| Melbourne, Perth, and then Adelaide. | ||
| Those are my favorite cities in that order. | ||
| But Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I'll probably hit a few other spots as well. | ||
| See what the vibe is like. | ||
| Just keep moving around? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, what about American gyms? | ||
| How many different American gyms have you trained at besides Black Zillions? | ||
| Black Zillions. | ||
| Let me think. | ||
| I've trained with a few fighters, but maybe I've trained with... | ||
| Let me think. | ||
| Who else? | ||
| I think that's the only gym. | ||
| I didn't go to ATT. In LA, did I train? | ||
| Most of the times I'm here. | ||
| When I'm on holiday, I don't train. | ||
| I holiday out. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
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You got a good idea about balance, man. | |
| Once in a while, you go too much this side, you have to find it, okay, go to the other side. | ||
| It never stays right in the middle for that, for a long period of time. | ||
| It's just like, okay, you lean this way, go this way, alright, and find the balance. | ||
| So just feeling and being honest with yourself. | ||
| Objectivity, I say, always check yourself, ACY, always check yourself, no matter what, how you're feeling. | ||
| If something gets me like maybe, If I see something that makes me feel that way, I get jealous. | ||
| I'm like, why do I feel that way? | ||
| Why am I hating? | ||
| It has nothing to do with me. | ||
| And I find out where it comes from. | ||
| And then eventually, it's like you identify the monster and then you slaughter it, you kill it. | ||
| Good for you, man. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I learn. | ||
| I'm coming up. | ||
| I'm learning. | ||
| You're a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
| We're going to wrap this up. | ||
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Thank you, brother. | |
| I'm glad we got a chance to do this. | ||
| Last minute. | ||
| Threw it in. | ||
| The first one. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's the first one. | ||
| We're going to do this some more. | ||
| I get more comfortable the way these go on. | ||
| Dude, you were great, man. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Stylebender on Twitter. | ||
| Stylebender on Instagram. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Catch me. | ||
| Slide on my DMs. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Slide on my DMs. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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That was fun. |
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