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June 25, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1135 - Ari Shaffir
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ari shaffir
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joe rogan
Ari Shafir speed rapping in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, go.
unidentified
Yeah, it's that we were talking about how impressive Mac lethal is, but then Ari goes, yeah, but you got to read the words.
ari shaffir
Otherwise you have no idea.
You could be making everything up.
joe rogan
So in that sense, he's gone too far.
He's like triple F tits.
ari shaffir
You can't sing along with that.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
The triple F tits is exactly right.
joe rogan
He went crazy.
ari shaffir
We're like, I like big boobs.
Like, do you like this much, big boobs?
All right, maybe I don't.
joe rogan
Those girls who crush beer cans with their fake boobs.
Have you seen those?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen those?
They line up beer cans and just smash them with the weight of their tit.
It's like the most unsexy thing ever.
It's like this hypersexuality gets morphed into this weird distortion.
ari shaffir
It's a sexual version of when your dad catches you smoking.
He's like, now smoke the whole pack if you like cigarettes so much.
joe rogan
That's exactly what it is.
Look at this one.
Watch this gal.
unidentified
She's got her tits and she smashes these beer cans.
joe rogan
Dude, could you imagine...
ari shaffir
Of course they're Fosters, fucking Bogan.
Of course this is goddamn...
joe rogan
Australian.
ari shaffir
Australian shit.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
ari shaffir
Straight from Tassie.
joe rogan
Look at those fucking...
Look at Steve Harvey.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's not Australian.
joe rogan
It's a Steve Harvey show.
They just went with Fosters.
ari shaffir
Hysteric, because she's got to be in Australia.
That's why they went with Fosters.
That kind of behavior.
joe rogan
Maybe they just wanted a big can.
ari shaffir
Big can smash big cans.
Yeah, big cans.
joe rogan
Foster's are giant cans.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they are.
joe rogan
Maybe Budweiser didn't want any part of it, so they couldn't get a Bud Tallboy.
ari shaffir
By the way, you know nobody in Australia drinks Foster's.
joe rogan
No, they don't, right?
ari shaffir
They don't even have them available in most bars.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's not even like Bud Light where nobody really drinks it.
joe rogan
How sneaky.
ari shaffir
It's just marketing.
Everything's marketing.
joe rogan
What is a beer?
Like, our beer is...
Pabst Blue Ribbon is kind of fun.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Because it's so white trash.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You pull out a can of Pabst.
Like, I'll drink a can of Pabst at the store sometimes.
ari shaffir
At the store?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
Like, at the supermarket?
joe rogan
No, comedy store.
ari shaffir
Oh, at the comedy store.
joe rogan
At the store?
unidentified
I was like, what?
ari shaffir
Like, while you're shopping?
joe rogan
I told you with flip-flops on.
ari shaffir
You garbage white trash.
joe rogan
I go in with flip-flops on, boxer shorts, fuck it.
Wife beater, drinking a gigantic Pabst Blue Ribbon.
ari shaffir
That's normal Australian life, though, dude.
That's a quarter of the men would do that kind of shit.
Like, while I'm shopping for other snacks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I love it over there.
I really do.
They're great people.
ari shaffir
If you were going to ask, their beer like that is VB. VB. Yeah.
joe rogan
If there was another country that I would live in besides America, or besides the United States, it would be Canada.
And if there's another country I'd live in besides Canada, it would be Australia, for sure.
And Canada, because it's right there.
ari shaffir
Canada's too cold!
joe rogan
Not Vancouver.
ari shaffir
Vancouver's too cold as well.
joe rogan
Nah, you could handle it, son.
ari shaffir
I could handle it.
joe rogan
You're a traveling man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I skipped the fucking winter so I could go traveling.
Oh, you're saying I could travel.
unidentified
You're a traveling man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
Because if you're just not there in the rainy season, which is like nine months, the other three months are amazing.
ari shaffir
I was doing the math on New York the other day of, like, saying how many actual months of nice it is, and it's really a six and six.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Not even nine and three.
joe rogan
No, it's not six and six.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some rugged days in those nice months, too.
You know, those six.
Yeah.
If you go, like, it's really probably nine, but there's three months that are super sketchy.
ari shaffir
Super sketchy.
joe rogan
You can get snow in April.
ari shaffir
We got snow in April this year.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's annoying.
ari shaffir
I was in Australia and they were like, it's snowing in New York.
joe rogan
That's a Prince song, by the way.
ari shaffir
Snow in April?
joe rogan
Sometimes it snows in April.
ari shaffir
Is that about cocaine?
joe rogan
One of his more sensitive ones.
No.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's not?
joe rogan
It's about sadness.
I used to listen to it when I was delivering newspapers.
ari shaffir
He was great.
Mark Norman had a theory that was proven wrong, I guess, that Prince, when he died, he died of the last of the 80s AIDS. Yeah, he said he's been fighting it hard because of the money, but he got it back then.
unidentified
That's actually fucked up.
joe rogan
He died from fentanyl, man.
They all died from that fentanyl shit.
That stuff kills everybody.
ari shaffir
They're testing drugs now at music festivals.
They should.
They did it in Australia when I was there.
They do it in the UK and some places where you just come in, they chip off the smallest amount, and they text you if your stuff is safe or not.
joe rogan
Oof.
ari shaffir
And then it's way safer to do it than just fucking passing around fentanyl.
joe rogan
Goddammit.
They need deregulation.
They just do.
They just need deregulation.
You're not saving anybody by making drugs illegal.
You're just making it difficult to get good drugs.
That's all you're doing.
You're not stopping people from doing drugs.
And in fact, when they legalize things, often teen use goes down.
Because it doesn't become so attractive anymore.
People are stupid, alright?
We're wired fucked up.
And if you tell us we can't do something, that's the thing we want to do.
That's just how it is.
ari shaffir
I will say, to be fair, I will say legalization of drugs would make more people do it.
I would have to think it would.
joe rogan
Psychologically, they say no when they've done studies.
ari shaffir
There's some people that wouldn't normally do it, but like, well, there's a store right there.
All right, I'll get some.
joe rogan
I don't know about that, man.
I think it normalizes after a while.
I think it starts off like that in the beginning, but I think what that is is the residual effect of making it prohibited.
The residual effect.
But then once it becomes legal, like alcohol, if you're 21, you don't walk by CVS and go, I could just go buy it?
Why don't I just go get some whiskey?
ari shaffir
But people, way more people drink than do drugs.
joe rogan
Right, but they don't do it because it's like a new thing.
ari shaffir
No, not because it's new, but because it's so easy to get that it's just there.
I'm saying, you've got to thank some people that never would have done it.
I have conservative friends from high school that never would do it, but if it was on the same level as alcohol in 20 years, they'd be like, you know, I guess my all my friends are doing it.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's worse.
I really don't.
ari shaffir
Not worse.
I won't say it's worse.
I'm just saying there's some people who would.
But I think overall, you end up getting a lot less people, like total numbers, to do it.
joe rogan
I think things would normalize.
I really do.
I think we have a real, there's a responsibility that I think society has to this fucked up prohibition that we know is ridiculous.
We have too much information now.
We know too much about people to make things prohibited when you make other things that are just as dangerous legal.
ari shaffir
Right, so it's all fucking farce.
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
When alcohol is legal and marijuana isn't, or alcohol is legal and mushrooms aren't, you're talking nonsense.
People drink themselves to death every day.
unidentified
To death.
ari shaffir
Their liver effects.
joe rogan
Every day.
Not just liver effects.
Alcohol poisoning.
Thousands of people every year die from alcohol poisoning.
ari shaffir
Dude, you can't do mushrooms that much.
joe rogan
You can't die from it.
You can't.
ari shaffir
But it'll just stop working on you.
You won't do anything.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
You have to keep doubling the dosage.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
By the end of the week, you'll be doing like a pound of mushrooms.
joe rogan
And that's fine.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, do that.
Your shits will be crazy.
joe rogan
Well, Dennis McKenna, who I had on last week, his brother Terence had that theory about human evolution.
And it's a very compelling theory.
ari shaffir
That mushrooms make human evolution.
joe rogan
That they might have caused it.
That might have been one of several factors.
There were several factors.
One of them was climate change.
Like the monkeys had to move down from the trees because there was no food left.
And the grasslands had taken over where the rainforest had been.
Just because of climate change.
But that was the same period where all these undulates lived.
So all these cow-like creatures shit all over the place.
The mushrooms grew on them.
These monkeys that were experimental, the human monkey, started eating these things and then started developing language skills, more sophisticated hunting, better visual.
Because the visual perception, especially in low doses, it actually increases acuity.
It's been proven in scientific, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies.
It increases visual acuity.
Increases your ability to recognize when things are shifting.
Like say if you have two lines and one of them slightly shifts, like maybe a half of 1% angle, the people that were on mushrooms could see it.
ari shaffir
You ever see a clock and be able to see the minute hand move?
Like get zoned in where you can like slowly sort of see it move?
I've done it a couple times, but it's when I was little.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
But yeah, that's what, that kind of acuity.
Yeah, where you can like...
joe rogan
My vision sucks now, dude.
When I look at a clock, I look at like vague numbers.
Like that clock right now?
Like I look at that little one right there?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I look at those are vague numbers.
ari shaffir
You can't see those?
joe rogan
I can see them.
I know that's 12, 1, 2, 3. Wow, that's so close.
ari shaffir
That's four feet away.
joe rogan
But now, look at this.
Bam!
Now I can see all the dots.
I can see everything.
ari shaffir
Get the surgery.
joe rogan
No, it's not that.
It's close.
It's nearsightedness.
It's what happens when you get older.
It's just macular degeneration.
ari shaffir
This is too near for you?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Things that are near don't look as good.
That's like a good medium distance, but farther things look exactly the same.
It's a slow degeneration of your eyesight due to age.
My friend, remember my friend Steve Graham?
He's an ophthalmologist.
He's like, there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it.
ari shaffir
Dr. Steve with the skier?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
From the U.S. ski team?
ari shaffir
He told me some great advice I will share with everyone.
We were talking about, on my podcast, we were talking with him about the hours they put in.
And I was like, if you're putting in 10 hours, you can't be as good at 4.30 as you are.
He goes, oh, you should never make a doctor appointment in the afternoon.
They're tired.
They're not giving you the best work.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
He's like, always make a morning appointment when they actually just have their coffee.
Like, all right, let's start.
joe rogan
Dude.
I had this guy Dr. Matthew Walker on a couple weeks ago.
He was a sleep specialist.
He was talking about how important sleep is.
And one thing in common with a lot of people that suffer from Alzheimer's is they were getting like three, four hours sleep a night.
They were those get up and go type people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And their brains wind up short and out.
He's saying that sleep is unbelievably important.
It's one of those podcasts, you listen to it, and it literally would change your behavior patterns.
ari shaffir
I don't know if it would change my behavior patterns.
unidentified
It might.
ari shaffir
I don't sleep so fucking much.
unidentified
It might.
ari shaffir
I just stay in bed for like five hours sometimes after I wake up.
unidentified
I'm like, what's the point?
joe rogan
You're living the life, Ari Shafir, in a lot of ways.
ari shaffir
If it's cold out.
joe rogan
I've told everybody, man, out of all my friends that, you know, quote-unquote made it, that became successful, you went the full whole hog.
You're like the one who never got caught in any of the trappings.
You got snipped.
You said, fuck it, I want to live in New York.
You said, fuck it, I want to disappear in Asia for three months.
They tell you to do something with your TV show, and you're like, fuck you.
It's over.
And then...
I mean, you're really doing what everybody wants to do.
I have one fuck you moment ever like that, really.
It's when I had a book deal and I gave them the money back.
They were trying to fuck with it too much.
I was like, this is annoying.
ari shaffir
Doesn't it feel good to do that?
joe rogan
It felt great.
I've only done it really once.
You're excellent at it.
ari shaffir
I feel more free than anyone around.
I look around on this matrix level of like, why don't you guys have more freedom for yourselves?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You've got the most freedom out of all my friends.
ari shaffir
We were talking about it with Bert and Renazisi, and they were like, we were talking about what we envy of each other's lives, you know, their family life versus my whatever life.
And they were like, Bert was like, what do you think I envy about you, Ari?
I'm like, huh.
I was like, it's my freedom.
And he was like, I have just as much freedom as you.
And I was like, what?
I just started laughing.
I was like, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
That doesn't make any sense.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
He was like, what do you mean?
And Renazisi had to explain it to him.
He goes...
Bert, Ari could just, from here, just go away.
joe rogan
And not call anybody.
ari shaffir
Yeah, just go from here.
Whatever he's got.
Just go away.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You can't do that.
joe rogan
If you didn't tell me you were going and you vanished for a few months, I would call the police.
unidentified
You would?
joe rogan
Yeah, because I would worry about you.
But once you tell me, like, I'm going to go to Asia.
I'm like, alright, dude.
I guess I'll talk to you when you get back.
ari shaffir
People got so worried.
They're like, what happens if you get arrested?
I'm like, I'm going to do the time, bro.
I don't know.
I'll figure out a way to get to the embassy, maybe, but...
joe rogan
But if you just vanished, you kind of have a little bit of responsibility for people that care about you.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't want to hurt their feelings and fuck with them.
ari shaffir
Just let the word out.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you could just tell them, hey, I'm going, then they have to deal with...
They might miss you, but they just have to deal with it.
They don't have to, like, freak out.
Like, what happened to Ari?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I told my parents I wasn't going to disappear on them.
joe rogan
That's good.
You gotta tell your parents.
But certain people, fuck it.
Let them figure it out.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
My manager got so mad.
She was like, you can't not tell me where you're going and not be able to reach you.
I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
Oh, I definitely can.
ari shaffir
I'm doing that.
She goes, that's not...
I was like, if it makes you feel better, I'm not telling my mom how to reach me.
She's like, that does make me feel better.
I'm like, alright.
joe rogan
There's something to what you did, though.
You felt a little different to me when you came back.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You had so many experiences.
ari shaffir
Everything fades away, responsibility-wise.
joe rogan
I'm reading this book, The Talent Code.
You ever heard of it?
It's a really interesting book where they analyze performers in different venues, different things that they do, different sports, different arts.
ari shaffir
Similarities between them?
Greg Jackson's into that.
joe rogan
Who?
Greg Jackson?
It's an amazing book, I think, for anybody.
And it makes you really realize, first of all, how many sets you should be doing.
You should be doing a ton of long sets.
The most time on stage you have, the better.
It's very critical.
ari shaffir
Why do you think long sets are...
joe rogan
Because an hour, you're going to perform if you're headlining.
The most you can do those, the better.
Because you really...
That's a different thing.
When you do a weekend, don't you feel like if you do Thursday, Friday, Saturday at a comedy club, Saturday night, late show, you're fucking gliding.
ari shaffir
I'm ready to fire.
And if I do the third straight week of five show weekends, by the end it's like, oh you guys are getting a wonderful show right now.
joe rogan
Dude, you just get smooth.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of the smoothest I ever got was I did that Maxim tour with Charlie Murphy and Hefron.
And dude, we did 22 dates in a month.
We were just traveling.
ari shaffir
And then you just had it.
joe rogan
Woo!
You just go on stage, you're like in this zen state.
You're doing so much stand-up.
ari shaffir
That's how I come back from Edinburgh.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
When you're just 25 straight days of an hour a night, and then you're like...
You have to tweak it a little when you get home, but like...
It's just like you're there.
You're just doing it over and over again all the way.
I think in the beginning of stand-up when you're starting, I think lots of sets are good because then you learn how to win over a crowd a bunch of times.
So three new crowds is better than one 45-minute set.
joe rogan
Completely agree.
ari shaffir
But then, yeah, once you're doing it longer, it's like...
Look at it, like, form your hour.
joe rogan
Well, this is what I was getting to with that Talent Code book.
A lot of it is on development of skills.
It's talking about how many amazing Brazilian soccer players came out of this one area, and they were trying to figure it out, and they realized, oh, it was, they have this other game that they play with a smaller, heavier ball, and it's harder.
And so they do that game, and it's like in close, they'll do it in like a room, like a small room, like this room.
They'll play the soccer game.
And they get amazing footwork and movement because of that, because they're in such close quarters.
They're very fast Yeah.
And so they take those skills and apply them to soccer, football, whatever they call it, and it's fucking amazing how much they excel.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
This is what I'm talking to some of those roast battle guys.
So there's all these roast battle guys, and they're not as developed on stage as they are for those roast battles.
But some of them, like Joe Dosh, people like that, they kill on those roast battles.
So then it's like, what are you doing?
So I'm talking to Eli Sayers, who's like, unified champ.
And...
We figured out, like, you just take those roast style jokes and apply them to the guy next to you in traffic or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Like, you're probably just roasting any topic, you know, that comes up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But you just gotta leave that shit eventually.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I think there's...
ari shaffir
But it's good training.
joe rogan
Cross training.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
For sure.
I think there's things like that with everything.
And I think with you, what I was recognized, I was like, oh, he's just sort of like data crunched all these cultures over four months.
Like you came back with like, you had like less patience for stupidity and more like a more expanded audience.
It's hard to gauge someone's understanding of the world, but the way you talked about things.
It's like you had a more expanded view of things.
You're like, well, you know...
This is just America, you know, like your perspective is like you got everybody who thinks that this is the world.
You're crazy.
This is just America We spend all so much time in this bubble, but when you were out there for like four months you came back It was almost like you were like, oh, okay And I think as a human is this and I think this is one of the things that happens Bad to comedians when they become successful, which is one of the reasons why they drop off They get really famous, really powerful.
ari shaffir
I'm always interested in this.
joe rogan
Because they don't take any new experiences in.
Because they don't take any risks.
Because too many people like them when they go on stage.
ari shaffir
I know that.
Play to your own crowd is a fucking awful.
joe rogan
Play to your own crowd is terrible, but also, play to your own crowd is your fault.
Here's why.
You should know if your stuff is good, and you should be working on it.
You should be listening to your recordings.
You should listen to them and go, is this something that I would want to pay to see?
And if it's not, let me fix it.
unidentified
Because...
joe rogan
Like, I'm in the stage right now, the write a new act stage, where my act's terrible right now.
I still have the old material that I'll have to abandon when October comes around, the special airs.
But until then, I'm just developing shit, and the new stuff is like, I've got six new minutes that are worth hearing.
And then a lot of stuff is just fucking super clunky.
But if you don't do it, if you don't scare yourself, and if you don't experience new things, you have to know whether your stuff's any good, okay?
And if you're not looking at it, not paying attention, it happens to a lot of famous comedians.
Their specials, as they get older, get softer.
Softer and softer.
And there's just...
Kinison is always my favorite example because he's one of my all-time, if not...
He's like, prior in Kinison to me, you're like, that's my Mount Rushmore.
And Lenny Bruce, just for creating the whole thing.
ari shaffir
I have an idea I want to talk to you about later.
I forgot.
joe rogan
But when you watch early Kinison, he was a fucking monster.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he was the best.
He was the best.
joe rogan
He was the best.
ari shaffir
And it was such a short time, but with him it wasn't like sustained success.
It was like two years.
It was like, oh, he went crazy.
joe rogan
He went crazy.
He's hanging out with Bon Jovi and doing Blow and banging strippers and being that guy.
He's being that rock star comedian guy.
And he didn't write anymore.
You could tell he was getting by on songs and dances.
You know, he was just like show business.
ari shaffir
He was doing almost a caricature of himself.
unidentified
Exactly.
ari shaffir
Remember the Todd?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he went crazy, right?
joe rogan
You know, the Todd got me into the store.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the reason I got into the store.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
He told me how to do it, too.
And he told me, you're going to do that for your friends.
Sit next to Mitzi, and when your friend's on stage, you laugh hard.
And Mitzi will go along with you.
Dude, he did that.
He sat right next to Mitzi.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And he told Mitzi, he goes, Mitzi, this kid's fucking hilarious.
She goes, oh, okay, I'll watch him.
ari shaffir
And she just sort of believed it.
joe rogan
And I got lucky.
I had a great set.
But the Todd was probably the loudest voice in the room.
He was in the back laughing his ass off.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
So I'd do that for anybody.
unidentified
You did.
ari shaffir
I remember you'd do that for McGuire and for whatever else.
joe rogan
Anybody.
If you were performing for Mitzi, I had to sit next to Mitzi.
ari shaffir
I used to sit next to where my friends would showcase just so these fucking cock blocks wouldn't come in and try to talk to her.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
ari shaffir
And you're just like, what are you doing?
joe rogan
Oh, in the middle of sets, someone performing for their future.
Additioning to the queen.
ari shaffir
She's got 52 minutes there.
Just leave her alone.
So you just have to block.
joe rogan
You get three minutes in front of the queen of comedy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And these fucking cock blockers.
ari shaffir
So...
So, oh, that's hot.
Okay, here's what I was going to say about that in terms of just, like, Kinniston being a character of himself.
So he went crazy, but before he went crazy, there was a thing he used to do where he would go to the bartenders and take, like, glasses off and then just, like, staring them down and just chuck it in the garbage just to, like, fuck with them, you know?
And then when he went crazy, I mean, literally crazy, he sort of half-remembered doing that, but to different parts, so he would just take them and kind of, like...
Throw them in the garbage, but not kind of even know why he was doing it.
He was just like a hollowed out version of himself.
That's how Kinison was.
He was like, oh, yelling, right?
Like, no, man, have rage.
Not just yelling.
joe rogan
Yeah, it didn't make any sense anymore.
There was no point.
He was just trying to perform and ride the wave.
But in the beginning, he was angry.
ari shaffir
He was so good.
joe rogan
He was so angry.
ari shaffir
They asked him, how come you don't make fun of men as much as you make fun of women?
He goes, because a man has never wanted to make me drive my car into a tree.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Remember when he used to play that song?
I want my fucking records back!
unidentified
I want my records back!
I hope you slide under a gas truck and taste your own blood!
joe rogan
Die!
Die!
ari shaffir
Yeah, man, it was good.
joe rogan
Well, you believed it.
He was this short, fat, ugly guy who was just screaming at the world for all of his pain.
You knew he was in pain.
And then when he wasn't in pain anymore, it wasn't fun.
Then he wasn't in pain anymore.
Then he was like, he was just this superstar.
And it just didn't work as a superstar.
It's weird.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So you're saying a lot of these guys don't enter into new experiences?
joe rogan
You have to have new challenges, new experiences.
You have to be excited.
ari shaffir
You have to be excited about something.
unidentified
New thoughts.
joe rogan
New thoughts.
And I think that much like...
These Brazilian soccer players from, what is his name, Daniel Coyle?
What's the author's name, Daniel Coyle?
When he talked about these Brazilian soccer players playing in this tight room, the skills they developed in this really tight environment helped them in the big game.
I think life is like what the training ground for stand-up is.
And if your life is the same boring shit, calling your agent, you know, what do we got for me?
You got a script for me?
ari shaffir
What are you drawing from?
joe rogan
You don't have any...
Where's your real world?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Where's your real world?
ari shaffir
You really can't talk about that Hollywood shit.
It's boring and people don't relate to it.
joe rogan
Some people...
Look at Kathy Griffin.
That's all she talks about.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like...
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, but it's okay for her.
I mean, that's her thing.
She likes to do it.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
You're right.
joe rogan
And people who like her like it.
It's no big deal.
But not for me.
It's not for me.
And not for you.
ari shaffir
I want to relate to someone coming to see my show.
joe rogan
But you want to relate to yourself, too.
ari shaffir
Right, right, right.
Have things to be like, oh, let me share this with you.
joe rogan
Yes.
You want to do stand-up that you would pay for.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Which is hard.
ari shaffir
Be conscious of the audience all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Because, you know, you have to figure out why you're doing what you're doing, too.
Like, am I doing what I'm doing just to get a laugh?
Or am I doing what I'm doing because I would actually like it?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just because I know it's working doesn't mean it's good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And with that, with traveling over whatever, it's like half it was like, let me get some new experiences to draw from.
And the other half is like, let me just challenge myself in moments so I can practice overcoming things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a crazy business, man.
It's a crazy business.
And unless you're on top of your own thoughts.
ari shaffir
You got to be up on yourself.
It's like college stuff from high school where they're like, look, they don't care in college.
They're going to let you fail.
They're not going to say, where's that report?
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is even more intense.
This is working for some really high-pressure corporation.
ari shaffir
With no one even understanding it.
At least in college, you'd be like, oh, I gotta do this homework.
People are like, oh, okay, I get that.
If you're like, I can, I've gotta go over my set.
Like, do it later.
What do you mean?
unidentified
What?
Why?
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody gets it.
ari shaffir
You went up yesterday.
You don't have to go up again.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, who would you talk to to try to explain it?
There's maybe a thousand of us on Earth.
ari shaffir
Artists, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do.
ari shaffir
Like a real painter or something like that.
joe rogan
But if you talk about how many headliners are there on Earth?
Is there a thousand?
ari shaffir
We're not talking cruise ships.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Someone who can get a special.
Someone who Comedy Central would watch or Netflix would watch or Amazon.
ari shaffir
Who would use a big category of getting a special.
Yeah, probably not a thousand.
joe rogan
That's not a lot of people.
That's a shit small amount of people for an awesome job.
So you gotta figure out, well, why?
Why is it just a small amount of people?
Because it's a bloody fucking catastrophe leading up to success.
ari shaffir
There's no chance of money early on.
Not even a chance.
joe rogan
Dude.
ari shaffir
You go in going, I'm going to make it.
It's like, okay, if you're on a fast track, it's going to be seven years.
joe rogan
If you're on the fast track.
ari shaffir
Yeah, if you're on the fast track.
Like, it ain't around the corner, dude.
joe rogan
And you're subject to bombing.
And, like, jump off a bridge bombing at any one of those years.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Jump off a bridge bombing.
I was trying to explain to someone what the cold sweats were.
And how it's like, you're almost like out of it.
You feel the sweat, but you're shivering at the same time.
joe rogan
You know what was the worst for me?
Laying in bed at night after the show.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Going over it.
ari shaffir
Of everything that went wrong?
joe rogan
Gut-wrenching.
unidentified
Oh!
ari shaffir
Embarrassing.
Embarrassment.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Beyond embarrassment.
ari shaffir
Goddamn it.
joe rogan
Beyond embarrassment.
Just ruthless destruction of your self-esteem.
Just, oh, fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that just won't go back after that.
ari shaffir
Why would you?
joe rogan
Why would you?
ari shaffir
That's one theory.
What's before theory?
Hypothesis.
Because I haven't proven at all of why there's fewer women in stand-up.
Because my friend who's a researcher who's like women's development, Rachel Simmons, writes books on it.
She said that women just, I don't know, I forget if it's sociologically or physically, probably sociologically, are less...
able to accept rejection early on.
It just doesn't go with who they are.
And so they just don't do those things.
And so you have to push them.
If you have daughters, you have to push them to try and fail and try and fail because failure makes you succeed.
But early on in stand-up, it's only failure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So if your gender's less into that, less taking that, like, outside rejection or something, then you're like, I don't want to do this.
I mean, we didn't want to do it.
joe rogan
That sounds sexist as fuck, and I have to denounce you now.
That's fair.
Publicly.
ari shaffir
That's fair.
joe rogan
I have to go on Twitter and tell everybody that you're supporting gender stereotypes piece of shit.
ari shaffir
You gotta say it differently.
Men have forced women to not be able to accept rejection.
unidentified
Yes.
ari shaffir
We put them in this category where they can't accept rejection.
joe rogan
Perfect.
Which proves that men and women are equal.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
So now, when they've been socialized by a patriarchy to not accept that, then they go into an environment where it's only failure and they go, I don't want to do this.
joe rogan
I think if I had to guess, I think stand-up is at least 20 to 25 percent harder for women.
This is why.
I think there's subjects that, especially when you're starting out, men don't want to hear from you in the audience.
Men don't want to hear about politics.
You have a bigger hurdle.
When it comes to points of view, politics, or advice.
Anything where a woman is like, like a guy can get on stage and say, listen guys, you want to fucking get your life in order, you gotta stop, blah blah blah, and then the joke's set up and then go on.
But a woman would have a hard time giving advice.
ari shaffir
Giving advice, okay, I can see that.
joe rogan
Being accepted by meatheads.
ari shaffir
I'll say this might be true because when I see young comics, let's not make it gender, just young comics talking about politics, what's going to change.
Like 26-year-olds, part of me goes, shut the fuck up.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
So anyone 26 would have to deal with.
And I think women have that shit too.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have that.
ari shaffir
I don't want to hear this from you.
joe rogan
And then they have that deep into their 30s and 40s because men don't want to hear from chicks about politics.
Oh, let me guess, you fucking wish Hillary won?
Jesus, that's a shocker.
You know, there's like this gender, like, biases that a lot of men have about a woman getting on stage talking, controlling all the attention.
They don't like it.
You know, a lot of men have the, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm just being honest about instincts.
There's an instinct to not like it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
There's another reason, too.
It's that Taylor's theory, which I like, is that women on stage early on—oh, this is why it's harder for men.
Just the first six months or so.
joe rogan
Harder for men?
ari shaffir
Just the first six months.
Women are used to people looking at them.
And for men, it's this weird new thing where it's like, why are you looking at me?
It's strange.
So in the first, like, right away on open mics, like early on, women are way more comfortable on stage than men.
For the most part.
And then it evens out.
But those first few months, it's this thing of like, this is not a comfortable thing.
Women, it's a negative.
They've had to deal with that their whole lives.
But people are staring at them all the time.
joe rogan
I think we struggle with this idea of saying that I think it's harder for women, I think it's harder for men.
ari shaffir
It's a generalization, too.
It's like overall, it's harder for some men, it's way easier for them.
See, that's when they black and white it, that's when you fucking ruin all the arguments.
It's just like 10% harder, 15% harder.
I think one of the reasons it is harder career-wise for women I mean, almost all women is because success too early can hurt you in the long run.
If you start thinking I'm good instead of thinking you're terrible, you don't work as hard.
That's just human nature thing.
joe rogan
Why more for women than for men?
ari shaffir
Because we're in such a category of needing women performers that we go earlier and earlier in development in order to pluck them up.
joe rogan
Huh.
ari shaffir
Because if I need to put a woman on TV, you know, and there's, you know, this developed women, Silverman's like, I ain't doing that.
I don't want to.
Segura's, yeah, sure.
Okay.
So you have to get some women.
You have to show somebody at home your own, the version of yourself.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And if there's women viewers, you gotta put a woman on.
Huh.
If you have a lot of comics.
But if I'm getting this as a single individual performer, if I'm getting something five years in and I start going, yeah, I'm pretty fucking good.
I don't have to work this hard.
When I start getting more and more things, I work less and less hard.
It's another reason why the fucking celebrity comics aren't as good as non-celebrity comics.
But if you start getting stuff, you start like, I don't need to work that hard to get it.
If you have to study for an hour to get an A, you know what I mean, then why would you study for seven hours?
An hour gets you there.
So if you start getting successes, career-wise, like monetarily, you stop working as hard on the artistic part of it.
joe rogan
You can.
You can stop.
I think you're 100% right.
And that's the drop-off.
ari shaffir
It sort of does them a disservice.
He has an individual to get stuff, but at the same time, you want to...
So, I mean, as a former booker, as a booker, all you got to do is look harder to get qualified women.
Go to Indianapolis, find Miss Pat.
You know what I mean?
They're out there.
But to prop somebody up who doesn't quite deserve it only hurts them in the long run.
joe rogan
Yeah, the problem also is that you want to find a certain number.
Like, comedy should be almost totally egalitarian.
It should be just performance-based.
I mean, I think if a club has a developmental project like Wendy does at the Comedy Works in Denver, then it might not be a bad idea to have all-girl classes.
I bet that would give you a bump for anybody who feels uncomfortable and wants to learn how to do stand-up with all- That's one of the reasons it's harder for chicks early on is because there's creeps at open mics.
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
And they're not weeded out like they are at clubs.
At clubs, someone's like, get out of here.
We don't want you here.
At open mics, it's any fucking freak that's there.
And man, that is not a fun experience to deal with.
I think that drives them off the most right away, early on.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
ari shaffir
It's shitty, nobody's good, and then also I got this fucking smelly guy fucking leering over me.
Fuck this.
joe rogan
100%.
Yeah, 100%.
I mean, it's nightclub creepiness plus crazy people.
So you have regular nightclub creepiness, and then you have...
Open mics, there's always a certain percentage of people that are insane.
ari shaffir
Literally insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
Yeah.
Homeless people.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And they get to go up in front of you.
Like, why?
What?
I'm trying!
I'm really trying!
joe rogan
And they use the same mic.
They use the same mic as you.
ari shaffir
Oh, I forgot about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, who knows what kind of shit you're getting off that mic on an open mic night.
And the store, especially back in the day, they didn't fix nothing with that mic.
They never cleaned that thing.
That thing was growing all kinds of shit on it.
At least it didn't have a foam top like this does.
ari shaffir
To hold?
joe rogan
I had to change this phone one because it smelled like my breath.
I was getting up in there.
I was like, smell a person on this thing.
unidentified
This is gross.
ari shaffir
We had a mic that smelled so bad at Cobbs this weekend that I mentioned it to Simone.
It was taking us out of it.
30 minutes in, usually you get used to it.
I'm like, oh, there it is again.
What was it made out of?
He said he was holding the mic different.
Regular metal one, holding it different so he could get it away from his nose.
joe rogan
Who was there before you?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I think it was all of us, just breathing on it wrong.
joe rogan
Just spitting on it.
Ugh.
Yeah, these foam things are disgusting.
Some people have those circles.
I have those circles for a while, those spit shields, but it seems so pretentious.
ari shaffir
Oh, those seem weird.
joe rogan
They seem pretentious.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, those seem weird.
jamie vernon
Pop filters.
joe rogan
Pop filters, yeah.
ari shaffir
Fuck that.
joe rogan
They seem super pretentious.
They seem like, what are you doing, stupid, with that fucking hula hoop in front of your face?
ari shaffir
So I had a couple ideas on acid at this music festival.
One, I want to run by you.
And then one, it was a fun time, by the way.
joe rogan
What music festival?
ari shaffir
Firefly in Delaware.
joe rogan
Nice.
ari shaffir
There's a bus from New York, and then you just go there, camp, and have a fucking good time, and I'm just laying down on my back, trying to keep my eyes open so my friends went off to the bathroom, like, you'll be here.
I'm like, I'll be right here.
I'm not going anywhere right now.
And so I keep my eyes open so people don't look at you like, what's wrong with you?
Just see a few stars, and you'd be out of it.
Eyes open, but just out of it.
And then every once in a while, I fucking love music festivals, man.
You come out of it, and there's some fucking guy dressed like a wood nymph walks by you, and you're like, what the fuck?
It's great.
Anyway, I just heard somebody go, I never want to get that fucked up.
I was like, fuck.
So I had this idea.
You know I do those album breakdowns?
My podcast's first album breakdowns?
Yeah.
I want to do one with you on Sam Kinison's album.
Just let's listen to it and talk about it and analyze it and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do Louder Than Hell.
Do you know Louder Than Hell you can't get on CD? You cannot?
Because it was so homophobic that the people at Warner Brothers, they put it out on cassette, but then they never released it on CD when CDs came on.
I'm like, fuck that fat slob.
ari shaffir
Wow, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
People forget.
Let me tell you.
ari shaffir
How much he had to overcome.
joe rogan
I was around during the PC days of the 80s.
We're in a PC war right now.
Seems like it's just the battlefield's just gone crazy.
Like there's more bombs going off PC-wise than ever.
People are so invested in the idea of controlling behavior and telling people what to do.
But back then, it was happening too.
For a while.
ari shaffir
Yeah, remember the- Rap music.
joe rogan
Tipper Gore.
Al Gore's wife.
Al Gore's wife is trying to make it illegal.
ari shaffir
I'm off for free speech, but there's some things that go too far.
joe rogan
Yeah.
She was trying to ban rap music.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so things got real weird.
ari shaffir
It's the same language over and over again.
joe rogan
MTV banned Dice Clay for life because he told some joke about girls on their periods or something.
ari shaffir
I would love to hear what that joke was and see if it was even that bad.
joe rogan
Listen, that's a goddamn badge of courage for a guy like Dice.
You just gave him a gold medal.
ari shaffir
That's all it really does.
joe rogan
For him?
He doesn't give a fuck.
That guy legitimately doesn't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
He's like, I was never going to go on MTV anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He walks around.
He makes videos walking around the supermarket talking about his haircut.
I got this new haircut.
What do you think?
No, make another video.
This fucking haircut.
That guy doesn't give a fuck.
He, like, literally is just doing whatever Dice wants to do, wandering through the world, hanging out with his kids.
So, like, for him, like, getting banned from MTV is probably the greatest thing ever.
This is it?
Look at his jacket!
Look at his fucking jacket!
ari shaffir
Wow, the bravado there.
unidentified
Look at him!
joe rogan
Come on, man!
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
He was nuts, bro.
joe rogan
He was the best!
ari shaffir
What the fuck?
He looked just like a zebra.
unidentified
I'm here to say I was born in Brooklyn.
Sheep's Ed Bay.
Come a long way to make you smile.
I'm gonna do it different gonna do it dice style.
joe rogan
What is the is this playing on YouTube or is it not?
ari shaffir
Dude, rewind that.
Look how fucking nervous he is.
Rewind that.
10 seconds.
Look when he pulls his hand around.
unidentified
Look at him shaking.
You see him shaking?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
ari shaffir
Dude, it's all bravado.
And then he's like, shit, I'm doing this.
unidentified
Eating her curds and whey.
One came a spite, he sat them beside, he said, hey, what's in the bowl, bitch?
Oh!
joe rogan
That was the weirdest kind of comedy that he could do it if they knew what you were gonna say and they wanted to hear it.
ari shaffir
It's rockstar comedy.
joe rogan
Complete original.
Complete original.
If you just like, people look at him like, oh, brutish and disgusting and just dirty jokes and misogynist.
All those things are true.
But you gotta realize that he revolutionized, like he did something.
ari shaffir
He was just joking.
joe rogan
But he broke through.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He made it rockstar style.
joe rogan
Also, if you just look at it completely objectively, forget about the artistic merits of what he did.
He did something very different.
He figured out a way to do comedy that people legitimately laughed at even though they knew it was coming.
That hadn't been done before.
That hadn't been done like that, never.
ari shaffir
No, you're right.
joe rogan
Never.
No one yells out the punchlines in front of the whole crowd.
What's in the bow, bitch?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He needed the money!
ari shaffir
Oh!
joe rogan
Everybody wanted to hear the things that he had already said, which never existed before.
He could fucking tour with that original act right now, and people would be super satisfied.
ari shaffir
They'd say along with him.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Dice could do 10,000-seat arenas with that original act.
What's in the bow, bitch?
ari shaffir
There's not much that goes that way.
joe rogan
Nothing.
Comedy-wise, nothing.
It's the opposite of regular comedy.
ari shaffir
It's the here or there, but not much.
Kreischer's machine thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he forces that on people.
ari shaffir
I saw Gaffigan at Moontower once, and he did 45 minutes.
Fine, it was great.
joe rogan
And then he does the old stuff.
ari shaffir
Yeah, then he was like, yeah, he introduced it like that.
joe rogan
He goes, yeah, I'll probably just go back to my hotel room and When I say Burt forces it on people, let me explain what I'm saying.
That's his signature thing.
I don't mean it in a negative way.
But he's scared to not do that.
He wants to do that.
He wants them to know him as the machine.
He wants to do that bit everywhere.
And he feels like they get upset if he doesn't do it.
So in his head, he's forcing it on them, they're forcing it on him.
Everybody knows that if you're a fan of Burt Kreischer, you know the bit.
It's a fucking amazing bit.
ari shaffir
He says, you want to see this.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's like, do you want to see them?
ari shaffir
And he's so worried about them getting upset that they don't hear it, but he's not at all concerned with how they feel about him pledging $10,000 to Children's Hospital and not doing it at all.
Just refusing to pay.
I don't want to get in.
Let's move on.
joe rogan
I can't believe you brought that up.
It's one of the best trolls of all time.
ari shaffir
Him on Children's Hospital.
I agree.
Let's talk about you, Joe.
joe rogan
It's like, don't you think that that's a different thing?
When you have a bit, like a signature bit that you do every time you go on stage and people expect to hear it, that's a different thing.
ari shaffir
Different thing, yes, than regular standard.
joe rogan
Comedy is like, when I'm watching your set, like say if you have a new bit and I haven't seen it before, I get excited because I don't know where you're going.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're taking me down a road and then you take a left turn.
ari shaffir
Some comics can do that though.
Bobby Lee, it's like, it's just goofy, you just want to see him do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
There's certain comics that are just like, I don't know, I just like seeing this over and over.
joe rogan
Well that was always the case in Boston.
Boston, like all the headliners, would do the same act forever.
ari shaffir
I know, that's why I fuck all them.
joe rogan
Well, that's why it fell apart.
ari shaffir
Yeah, right, right.
joe rogan
It only lasted for a little while like that.
ari shaffir
That's why.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because eventually it's like, yeah, you haven't written.
It catches up.
joe rogan
They had the opposite of an internet age approach.
Their age approach was you put together a 45-minute set and that's it.
And some of them literally only had 45 minutes.
They'd been doing comedy for decades.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Because even with Dice, let's say you compare that to music where everyone's singing along with it.
Musicians have new albums and then you expand that catalog of stuff you can sing along with.
joe rogan
Hopefully.
Up to a point.
ari shaffir
Up to a point.
joe rogan
Rolling Stones put some stuff out today and everybody's like, whatever.
ari shaffir
Brown sugar.
joe rogan
Come on, you fuck.
Let me see you dance.
I heard you could still dance.
ari shaffir
Dude, I went to see Rancid at Coney Island and he said something.
He goes, hey, we're going to do something off the new album.
And somebody goes, boo.
You know, It's a crowd of like 2,000 or something like that.
And he heard it.
He goes, you can boo if you want.
I'm still doing it.
And then he just fucking went into it.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Boo.
ari shaffir
Do something off the new one.
Boo!
It's like, fuck off.
joe rogan
People are so gross.
People are so gross.
They don't even internalize that feeling.
They want you to react to it.
unidentified
Boo!
joe rogan
There's such a different thing between feeling something and then forcing everyone around you to hear it and then forcing the artist to react to it.
The levels of douchebaggishness that it takes to boo!
That's critical levels.
Dude!
What a fucking asshole!
ari shaffir
I think he heard it and had to say something because it's such a...
joe rogan
Yeah, he responded!
So that guy wins.
In that world of internet trolls, that guy wins.
ari shaffir
Dude, if you could say something for the crowd in the perfect moment of silence, you know, where it just naturally comes up, that's audience member fucking Super Bowl.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you cracked one over the fence.
ari shaffir
When Patrick Ewing was, like, I think playing with Supersonics, this was, like, way after his prime.
He's just traveling now to get a couple extra bucks and try to maybe win a title.
And he went down the lane, put up, like, a finger roll, like, halfway down the lane, and it just kind of went up and airballed and went out of bounds.
It was a whistle.
Only because it went out of bounds, but everyone thought, was there a foul or anything?
And the rest just go, out of bounds.
And it was just a silence.
My friends had heard this, and somebody just go...
unidentified
Retire!
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Sports fans are the worst.
ari shaffir
They're the worst.
joe rogan
They're the worst when it comes to that shit.
It's like they feel like since they have a regular job and they paid a lot of money to come see you do that, you better fucking do it good.
This pussy doesn't want to get off the bench.
ari shaffir
You name them after your town, that means the town owns you.
It's not the fucking L.A. Rogans.
It's the fucking L.A. Lakers.
And they're putting out a shitty product.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God damn it.
ari shaffir
Fuck off, Laker fans.
How's your season been these last couple years?
joe rogan
Has it been bad here?
ari shaffir
It's been terrible.
joe rogan
Oh.
ari shaffir
It's been terrible.
unidentified
Look at you.
joe rogan
You're very excited.
ari shaffir
Oh, I love it.
joe rogan
Almost like nothing else I've seen.
ari shaffir
Oh, dude, I love it.
Why do I get so excited?
Of all my sports fans, like fandom, I am at most a Laker hater.
Fuck them and all their fucking fans.
You guys have one of the worst franchises in basketball.
People look at you when you try to recruit them and they go, what the fuck are you talking about?
And they leave.
Enjoy Showtime, bitches.
It's been years since you've been in the playoffs.
No draft pick this year.
joe rogan
Wow, this is dark.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, it's great.
joe rogan
I can't understand this.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the next big thing is when that rapist gets in the Hall of Fame and all the fucking bloggers here pretend to forget about it again.
Fuck all you hypocrites.
Fuck you bitches.
All of you.
Lakers suck and you gotta deal with it.
joe rogan
This is outrageous.
unidentified
Oh, it's great.
joe rogan
And that will be a viral video.
unidentified
How's your team?
ari shaffir
Better than yours.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
What team are you?
ari shaffir
It doesn't even matter!
The point is the Lakers suck.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ari shaffir
I'm a Pels fan.
What is that?
We made the second round for the first time in history.
unidentified
What do you like?
joe rogan
What is it?
ari shaffir
Pelicans.
New Orleans.
Pelicans.
joe rogan
How did you get to be a fan of the Pelicans?
ari shaffir
Because they started in North Carolina when I was there, then they moved.
And then they changed their goddamn name.
It's all a mess, but that's my team since day one.
joe rogan
Who the fuck would want a team called the Pelicans?
ari shaffir
Not me!
The wife of the guy who owns it!
He owns a good franchise as a fucking billionaire smart guy who makes a fucking living for himself.
And he's like, oh, dumb fucking trophy wife!
unidentified
You want to name the team that all these men have to fucking support?
joe rogan
Wow.
Is that really what happened?
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's what happened!
joe rogan
Dude, you're very upset.
ari shaffir
It's fucking ridiculous!
joe rogan
Very upset.
What would you have called it if you were his trophy wife?
unidentified
Anything else!
The bath mats!
ari shaffir
It's a better fucking name than the pelicans.
I had to research all the time with like, vicious pelican behavior so I could get behind it a little bit.
They are vicious though.
They'll eat ducks whole.
They'll eat ducks whole.
They'll go down there and be next to a duck and they go, fuck off.
joe rogan
Oh, well, I'm sure we could watch that.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's great.
joe rogan
I'm sure we're going to watch Pelican Eats a Duck now.
ari shaffir
But no one thinks of that!
When you think of a pelican.
joe rogan
No.
You think of like a cute thing that brings babies.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
That's stork.
That's stork.
unidentified
Oh.
ari shaffir
Oh, he's eating the duck!
joe rogan
Whoa, whoa, whoa, back that up!
unidentified
Back it!
joe rogan
You're just kidding!
jamie vernon
It didn't show the gulp, it just shows it in there.
joe rogan
Wow, look at that.
jamie vernon
A seagull.
joe rogan
Look at that seagull trying to get away.
Look at that thing battling it out.
ari shaffir
He's like, you ain't going anywhere.
My beak is made of rubber.
joe rogan
He's just holding on, letting that thing pound on him.
jamie vernon
Here's one with more views.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ari shaffir
Oh, shit, that's a bunch of ducks.
joe rogan
What an evil little fucking animal.
ari shaffir
Oh, that's a seagull eating pigeons.
joe rogan
A seagull eats pigeons?
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Oh, I got one!
ari shaffir
Wow, that's dinosaur shit.
joe rogan
Oh my God, that is crazy.
ari shaffir
Oh, he's packing at it.
joe rogan
And all these people you just have to watch.
ari shaffir
Oh, these little kids on fucking bicycle boats.
joe rogan
This is nuts.
I did not know seagulls did that.
Seagulls merc pigeons and eat them.
This is fucking nuts, dude.
ari shaffir
Oh my god, look at his feathers all falling off and this pigeon's like, wait, what?
joe rogan
We're birds, bro!
ari shaffir
We're both birds!
jamie vernon
I walked by a pigeon.
joe rogan
Oh, he almost got away.
Look at this.
jamie vernon
I found a decapitated pigeon the other day.
ari shaffir
Is he gonna try to drown him?
joe rogan
He's trying to get away.
Look at him.
Oh, he's like, fuck you, bitch.
jamie vernon
He's on the street.
joe rogan
You found a decapicated one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Decapicated.
You know, it's usually owls that do that, apparently.
ari shaffir
What?
Attack other...
joe rogan
They bite their fucking heads off.
jamie vernon
It's outside of Ralph's on Sunset.
ari shaffir
Oh, hawks.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
jamie vernon
Could have been anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, hawks do it, though.
There was...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
What happened there?
Did the bird get away?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's completely switched to a different...
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
He got away?
ari shaffir
I don't think he got away.
jamie vernon
I think that one went after him.
joe rogan
But it seems like he got away.
Did it look like he flew away?
ari shaffir
Yeah, believe that.
That bird was fine.
joe rogan
Watch.
Hold on.
No, he's fucked up.
He's gonna get fucked up.
Look, see?
ari shaffir
He's swimming away, and that thing's right after him.
He ain't going anywhere.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
ari shaffir
That seagull's walking like Jesus on top of the water.
Fucking over it.
joe rogan
I know, with those giant feet.
ari shaffir
No chance, that duck, that pigeon.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can kind of like almost walk and use their wings, and they can run on the water.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that pigeon's fucked.
ari shaffir
I would love to have flight.
joe rogan
What would you give up?
Would you give up hearing or eyesight?
ari shaffir
Hearing.
You can't do flight without sight.
You're fucked.
joe rogan
Well, you could be a bat.
Look at this one.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
Swallowed a whole duck.
That is fucking insane, dude.
ari shaffir
Oh, the other duck's trying to drive him off?
joe rogan
The other duck's mad.
Like, come on, give me back my friend.
ari shaffir
Come on, ah, damn it.
He's down.
He's in there.
joe rogan
Give me back my friend.
Look, he's just swallowing him.
ari shaffir
He's in the stomach.
joe rogan
One more time.
Let me see that again.
Look at that.
Just grabs him.
ari shaffir
That's right how they call it.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that fucking beak on that thing.
What a creepy animal.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at it.
It's kicking inside of his body.
I'm full now.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm full.
Pelican eats pigeons in St. James Park in London.
unidentified
I've been there.
joe rogan
That's dark.
I bet he does that every day.
But he looks like a monster.
ari shaffir
He looks like a monster.
Those don't look like normal animals.
That looks like an Australia type animal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you ever seen a shoebill?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
They're the creepiest bird ever.
They're a bird that lives in the Congo in Africa.
It's a fucking prehistoric dinosaur bird.
And there's a video from the Congo.
Look at that thing.
There's some creepy head-on pictures of it where you go, what?
unidentified
Like that picture.
ari shaffir
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
That one.
That thing has a hatchet for a face, man.
ari shaffir
That, by the way, is pretty much the Pelican's logo.
joe rogan
Dude.
Well, they should have made it the shoe bills.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they should have made the shoe bills.
joe rogan
Because it's an evil fucking bird, man.
There's videos of these things.
unidentified
Oh, what the fuck?
ari shaffir
What's it doing?
Oh, it's a gif.
It's a gif.
Oh my god.
It keeps shifting its head back and forth.
joe rogan
But you look at its mouth.
Its mouth is like a giant pair of scissors or something.
It's a creepy fucking animal.
unidentified
Where do they live?
ari shaffir
The Congo?
joe rogan
The Congo.
They're five feet tall, too.
It's a giant-ass bird.
So that's a Bobby Lee-sized bird.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
That's a smaller one there.
There's a crazy video of one in the Congo eating a snakehead.
They don't weigh that much.
Birds are pretty light, even like a bigger bird, like a turkey.
ari shaffir
Yeah, catch that fucking fish in the air, motherfucker.
joe rogan
Was he going to throw it?
jamie vernon
Throw it.
joe rogan
I was letting him know that it's in the bucket.
ari shaffir
He's going to go for it.
joe rogan
Watch how they walk, man.
They just look creepy.
They look like a nightmare.
ari shaffir
Little nothing legs.
joe rogan
There was a thing that was in North America millions of years ago.
At least one million, I think.
They were called terror birds.
Look how creepy that thing is.
ari shaffir
Terror birds?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were enormous, seven feet tall, enormous birds.
And some of them were even bigger than that, that were predatory, flightless birds that lived in North America.
Huge.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, like a Bigfoot-sized bird that would probably eat people.
Giant, huge beaks.
Like beaks that'll literally consume half your abdomen.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There were these freaky fucking animals, man.
And there was a bigger one even before that, like one that dwarfed that too.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was millions of years ago.
See if you can find that fucking thing.
ari shaffir
That's my favorite thing when they do time travel and they go back into prehistoric times and it's all of a sudden like, fuck, everything here will kill me.
There's nowhere to go.
joe rogan
I saw Jurassic World yesterday.
ari shaffir
How was it?
joe rogan
It's fun.
There's definitely some cut the shit moments where it doesn't make sense.
But you have to have those to make one of those movies.
ari shaffir
I'm starting to appreciate movies on just dumb fun.
joe rogan
This is what they looked like.
ari shaffir
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking thing.
So that was running around...
I think it was a North American animal, too.
ari shaffir
That looked like it was running after a car.
joe rogan
Look, so it's chasing after elk and shit.
But there's...
Go to that upper right-hand drawing, the upper right-hand one.
It shows you how big they were.
They were fucking enormous.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
Way bigger than a human.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there was ones that were even bigger than that.
Those are the two biggest ones.
ari shaffir
I like this one because they put the human, like, the outline of the human, but he's holding a machine gun.
Yeah, and he's still fucked.
joe rogan
Could you imagine that thing running?
Even if you had a machine gun, you'd be like...
ari shaffir
You'd be firing and running.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look how many of them there were.
Different kinds of enormous birds.
They had giant ostriches and shit.
ari shaffir
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, that fucking thing, the really big one that's in the foreground with that reddish beak, what a fucking creepy thing that would be if you were walking through a field and you saw this nine foot plus tall freaky ass bird staring at you.
It doesn't even fly.
It's just an armless eating machine.
I mean, you can call it a bird, but they can't fly.
They don't have any wings, really.
They're weird.
They have giant talons.
What they are is a fucking dinosaur, right?
They're some weird-ass dinosaur that made it to 2018. You know, that's like a big theory.
It's a big thing that's being debated amongst- Birds or dinosaurs?
Yeah.
They really think that it's quite possible that a lot of those dinosaurs had feathers.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it became birds?
joe rogan
They are birds, yeah.
Like, all over their body.
Like, when we look at a T-Rex, they might have been covered in feathers.
ari shaffir
Oh, that would have been cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't know.
They know some of them definitely were, though.
They're finding some of them covered in feathers.
ari shaffir
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
These mics are great.
joe rogan
They're not bad.
ari shaffir
It still picks you up, like, way back.
A little softer, but not really.
joe rogan
But not, it doesn't pick up too much bullshit in the background.
We've tried other ones that, like, pick up shit in the background too much.
Like, if you move some things over here, it would be too loud.
Yeah, it's...
Some of them are...
Jamie, you can explain.
What are the ones that literally pick up every sound in the room?
jamie vernon
The pickup pattern and whatnot.
The preamp on this is up very loud.
It's up loud, but it's not...
So yeah, this mic needs a preamp because it has a very low nominal level.
ari shaffir
I don't know what that means at all.
I am in podcasting and I have no idea what you're talking about.
joe rogan
Jamie's dropping some audio knowledge, son.
ari shaffir
I just want a mic to be able to do the thing where you talk like you're in a car driving by a line where you're like...
Hey everybody, maybe later we'll go to the store and then we'll get...
How did that sound?
That's supposed to sound like it drives off.
jamie vernon
You just do that with a pan.
I could do that right now, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you'd have to do that with software.
You wouldn't be doing that with just the microphone.
jamie vernon
Yeah, not with just the microphone.
ari shaffir
That's the worst when you think you're fucking getting in the line and you like yell something at them, but then when you're in the line you realize all you hear is...
joe rogan
Yeah, you can hear shit.
ari shaffir
What did he say?
joe rogan
You have to actually get your body out the window and yell.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Otherwise, the sound's just coming out in a weird way.
Weird boxy pattern.
ari shaffir
You remember Dirty Work?
joe rogan
Dirty Work.
unidentified
The movie?
joe rogan
Yeah, with Norm.
ari shaffir
Norm and Artie.
joe rogan
And Artie, yeah.
ari shaffir
He does that to a line.
He moves a line, Artie, and then he just pulls over.
And Artie's like, I was supposed to keep driving.
Sorry, everybody.
joe rogan
Did you see the pictures of Artie?
ari shaffir
I've been seeing Artie.
I've been seeing him around.
joe rogan
His nose is all fucked up.
ari shaffir
It's caved in.
joe rogan
Well, I guess he snorted something and he got an infection.
ari shaffir
That makes sense.
joe rogan
His nose was huge.
It was weird.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's pretty big.
It's like, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at it right there.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, that one.
Yeah.
What is going with Artie Lang's nose?
joe rogan
Yeah, something's happening.
ari shaffir
He's such a good guy.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
He's a really good pool player.
ari shaffir
Is he really?
I can't believe that.
joe rogan
He's real good.
ari shaffir
He's, more than anybody, like, refused to accept that he's famous, so he just, like, walks around normal, and then people start recognizing, oh, yeah, and then he kind of, like, goes away, but, like, he just goes into normal environments all the time.
joe rogan
He's a good dude.
Really is.
Really good guy.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he is.
unidentified
Not making 2020. You don't think so?
ari shaffir
No way.
joe rogan
He might make it.
ari shaffir
He has no desire to quit.
He's riding it out.
joe rogan
Did he quit for a while?
ari shaffir
I think every once in a while.
I don't really know.
I think every once in a while he gets clean.
But he just wants to pull it back a little sometimes.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
He's never going to be one of those guys like, yeah, I haven't touched this stuff in five years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I don't think he's interested in that.
He's enjoying himself.
joe rogan
That's what Mitch Hedberg said before he died, apparently.
They were trying to get him to clean up.
He's like, I'm not doing shit.
I like it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's like when you tell people to quit smoking.
They're like, I'm not desiring quitting right now.
You guys are.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a hard pill for people to swallow that don't do it.
ari shaffir
That's what I'm speaking.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, come on, just quit.
You should just quit.
ari shaffir
Dude, when you see those gacked out people on the sidewalk in New York, you know, just fucking standing up, you know, dozed out or something like that, or just like, you know, nodding off in their own whatever, like daytime, you're like, wow, they are fucked up.
But now that I've done enough drugs, you realize, like, they're loving it right now.
They are having the best time.
They're peaking.
unidentified
Hmm.
ari shaffir
It looks shitty, but they're peaking.
When they come to with shit in their pants and know where to go, that ain't the best, but right now it's their fucking Super Bowl.
joe rogan
When they're tweaking, yeah, their experience is amazing.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're hearing Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
ari shaffir
Oh, God, I would love that.
unidentified
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
joe rogan
And then just sitting there.
unidentified
Oh, treat yourself in a boat on a river.
Ha, ha, ha.
joe rogan
Just tripping.
ari shaffir
Oh!
I forgot to tell you this.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
So when I was having some pretty good thoughts on this acid, watching some different bands.
The Killers, by the way, fucking killed it.
You see stuff when you're out there on psychedelics.
A truth.
I call them universal truths.
Where you just, like, yes, that is real.
That is right.
100%.
And it's hard to bring that shit back into this realm.
You know, to understand it.
joe rogan
Trying to get us kicked off YouTube?
unidentified
What are you doing, man?
ari shaffir
It's a passing car.
So it's hard when you come back to be like, oh, I saw the truth of something.
And then it's like, and you can't express it.
And when people come back, when they're around you, they say something and you're like, what?
And they realize they get frustrated.
They're not saying it right.
And then it's slowly going away.
So when I was there in that place, sometimes I try to remember like, when you get back, say this to this person.
So, that state told me to tell you that Eminem is one of the realest MCs.
I'm not gonna argue with it.
unidentified
I don't know what exactly it means.
ari shaffir
But it was like...
joe rogan
That could be a funny bit, dude.
There's a funny bit in there about how some things are just, in the moment, they seem so profound.
And then when you sober up, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
Eminem is one of the realest emcees.
Well, I would agree with that.
It looks like he's very, very real.
Seems fairly real.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
As I heard it, I was like, that's going to sound dumb in the real world.
But I was like, alright, I'll tell them.
joe rogan
What did you think of that BET Music Awards thing he did where he freestyled in the garage?
Nobody liked it, right?
Freestyled?
Well, no, some people liked it.
Some people liked it.
The anti-Trump thing.
ari shaffir
Everybody gets old.
joe rogan
It was interesting.
ari shaffir
All these artists get old.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But he was, you know, he was angry and he had all of his friends around him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was the weird thing.
Like, why are all those dudes just standing around?
ari shaffir
Kissing up?
joe rogan
No, they're all just hanging around these cars, like in a circle.
They're all waiting while Eminem raps.
So he's got, like, all these...
jamie vernon
That's what they...
It's a rap cipher.
That's what...
They all take turns.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
They all did it?
jamie vernon
That was Eminem's turn, yeah.
joe rogan
But where's the other ones?
The videos of the other guys too?
ari shaffir
Mine was far better.
joe rogan
So one guy steps forward.
I need to understand rap culture better.
I definitely almost said rape culture.
ari shaffir
You know, hand in hand.
jamie vernon
B.E.T. award show thing.
joe rogan
Oh, that's how they do it?
jamie vernon
They do it at the BET Awards show.
ari shaffir
Well, they find a parking lot and go do it there?
jamie vernon
Not necessarily a parking lot, but different areas.
Different groups have different labels, maybe.
ari shaffir
Put up their own guys.
joe rogan
It's called Keeping It Street.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
That's interesting.
joe rogan
Obviously, you're not street.
God, you don't know anything.
That's why they had to tell you that Eminem is one of the realest emcees.
I already knew.
He keeps it street.
But that thing was interesting.
It's like when people...
You know, when you create this big explosion, this attack on someone from something like that, it's always fascinating to me to watch that go down.
Like, what's someone doing here?
Like, what's happening here?
ari shaffir
What's your take on it?
joe rogan
It wasn't his best work.
ari shaffir
Right, right.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, I think he's an amazing rapper.
Like, some of his shit from the past is fucking incredible.
ari shaffir
But his freestyle?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, I'm not feeling that gold chain.
Jamie's like, but that...
jamie vernon
Well, I was going to say, no one really freestyles anymore.
Nothing's really freestyle.
It's just not...
ari shaffir
I don't even think those freestyle things are freestyle.
I feel like you made up a lot of those.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's all practiced, man.
I like the Cadillac in the back.
I'll tell you that.
I got a boner for that Cadillac on the right.
Yeah, that looks like...
What is that?
Like a 70-something Cadillac?
That thing's fucking beautiful.
Oh, I love those things.
I don't give a fuck about this rap, but that Cadillac is the shit.
I got a boner for old cars, dude.
I'm one of those old dudes that likes old music and old cars.
ari shaffir
Do you see that rap where it's like, I forget who it was, but it was like saying from the white point of view about what's wrong with black people, and then from the black point of view about what's wrong with white people.
unidentified
That's always fun.
ari shaffir
And the video is somebody lip syncing pretty well, some redneck dude.
It's like black people always complain about this and this, and then it goes back.
unidentified
Hmm.
ari shaffir
I forget who it is.
Young something.
joe rogan
But the problem with black people and white people is that people say black people and white people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, instead of just people.
joe rogan
Yeah, instead of just people.
I was watching this video.
It's an annoying video of this lady calling the cops and this little eight-year-old black girl who's selling water.
Have you seen it?
Viral video.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Viral video.
ari shaffir
She's not supposed to sell water.
joe rogan
She's calling the fucking police.
She's saying she's selling water without a permit, and her mom videotapes her and puts it up and makes it viral.
And that's one of those videos where it's everything's in the right place.
The white lady is overweight.
She's this angry looking, overweight white lady.
The little black girl is as cute as a button.
The mom is talking to her in a way that's like not too aggressive.
She goes, she out here calling the police on a little girl trying to sell water.
We see you, boo.
Like she's not being horrible.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And everything just fell into place to this, like, perfect example of, like, what's happening here?
Like, is this racism?
Or is this someone who just complains about everything?
Would she be doing that for an eight-year-old little girl?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you don't know.
joe rogan
That's white?
ari shaffir
I hear the argument a lot of, like, you wouldn't do this if it was a man, you wouldn't do this if it was a woman, you wouldn't do this if it was black, but it's like, you're not basing it on any set of, it's just like one example versus one example.
joe rogan
Well, there's no proof that she wouldn't have done that with an eight-year-old white girl.
ari shaffir
I worked at the Beverly Hills Chamber of Commerce.
And whenever somebody wanted new seating, like sidewalk seating, they had to just get through.
But all it would take is one housewife from the area to get to stick up their ass about the rules and say, no, no.
And they're like, it'll be done by 8 p.m.
There won't be any hurt on the people around us.
We'll clean up.
And if she goes no, then it's like 24 more hoops to jump.
You know?
And it's just because these housewives have nothing to do better than to enforce rules.
So, could be that.
unidentified
Could be that.
ari shaffir
Could be, fuck these black kids.
I don't have any idea.
joe rogan
She was on an interview talking about it, which is a terrible idea, by the way.
unidentified
Who?
ari shaffir
The white chick?
joe rogan
The lady, yeah.
And she put all this makeup on and everything, which is also a terrible idea.
ari shaffir
Like Mimi from the Drew Carey show.
joe rogan
It was just not good.
Oh my God.
You went with a Drew Carey reference?
I forgot about her.
But...
The whole thing was...
She was saying that she was working and that she had the window open.
The little girl was shouting and screaming.
She was trying to make it look bad as possible.
Yeah, she was a victim.
And she said she apologized to both the little girl and the mom, but they won't accept her apology.
Which is like, okay.
Well, you know, there's nothing wrong with accepting someone's apology.
Clearly, she shouldn't have done that.
Like, you shouldn't tell a little eight-year-old to not sell water on a hot day.
Who gives a fuck?
Like, that doesn't make any sense.
ari shaffir
I can see also just going, hey, come on, guys, don't scream by my window.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't scream.
ari shaffir
Did you take that step first?
joe rogan
Yeah, like, maybe.
She was saying that it was a hot day, and so she had her window rolled down, and the kid was screaming.
But apparently, she didn't talk to them.
She didn't talk to the kid, and she didn't talk to the mom.
She just called the police and went out.
ari shaffir
Let's say that's a problem.
Some people are so antisocial, they just go straight to someone to deal with it instead of just like, hey, it's like when you get a note in your apartment door saying something, or the front door, you're like, just come to my apartment and knock.
Just ask once.
Just try it humanally once and then go to the other step.
joe rogan
So they compared her with this white chick who called the police on the barbecue and they're the same person.
Not really, but yes.
ari shaffir
I was like, that would be crazy.
unidentified
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
This bitch is just ruthless.
ari shaffir
She's doubling down.
She's just going for it.
joe rogan
But they look so similar, man.
Like in the way, the shape of their body.
ari shaffir
It's that housewife, man.
joe rogan
Yep, it's that.
ari shaffir
Middle-aged white housewife.
It's a fucking shitty, the worst position to be in in the world.
joe rogan
There's definitely worse.
ari shaffir
Nothing to do.
joe rogan
There, look.
Come on, Simon.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Come on, look at the two of them together.
They're both on the phone with these like sexually ambiguous forms.
Like you know that that's a woman, but you know...
Both of them.
They're overweight.
It's just weird.
It's weird.
They're like, clearly...
I'm going to go out on a limb.
I don't think most...
I will say most people that are shaped like that don't feel good.
ari shaffir
Don't feel good.
joe rogan
They don't feel good, right?
They're upset at stuff.
ari shaffir
You ever have somebody screaming about something?
Like, you're not supposed to sell waters here.
But just meet them with like...
What happened to you?
Why are you so angry?
But you're not supposed to.
I was like, sure, okay, I'll give you that.
So why are you so mad?
joe rogan
Selling water without a permit.
ari shaffir
I got a discussion with somebody on Twitter way back about that guy, Michael Brown.
I can't breathe.
Was that Michael Brown?
Eric Garner.
It was Eric Garner.
Yeah.
And somebody's like, yeah, but what you don't understand is I have a business, and let's say I sell cigarettes, and somebody's undercutting me with no permits right outside, that really hurts my business.
I was like, okay, sure, I'll give you that.
Do you think the punishment for that should be choking someone, maybe until they can't breathe?
And he's like, oh, no, no, that's too much of a punishment.
I was like, yeah, okay.
joe rogan
Well, here's the problem with the official version of that, is that he didn't have any cigarettes on him.
ari shaffir
He did not?
joe rogan
No, he had nothing.
He had nothing.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he had nothing.
They had arrested him before for that, but he was clean.
ari shaffir
He didn't have cigarettes?
joe rogan
He was telling them, leave him the fuck alone.
He's like, y'all always out here fucking with me, just leave me the fuck alone.
ari shaffir
And then they started back.
joe rogan
And then they wanted to frisk him, and it was for no reason.
ari shaffir
Oh my god, not even cigarettes.
Even with cigarettes, it was still too much.
It's like, just give me the ticket, bitch.
joe rogan
Yes, they shouldn't touch him.
I mean, and he wasn't a violent guy.
He wasn't, like, threatening them in some sort of a way.
And then they tried to say that it wasn't a chokehold.
I'm like, bitch, let me put you in that.
ari shaffir
Dude, I passed by these two cops, and I wanted to...
One was set right after that, and New York was like, that's not a chokehold.
And I wanted to stop and go, actually, I'm friends with an expert on the subject, and he does say that.
joe rogan
It's a fucking chokehold.
I'll choke you to death like that.
I will choke you to death with that.
ari shaffir
How's that not a chokehold?
joe rogan
Listen, he's got his hands gripped.
It's a backwards version of what you would call a Marcelo Garcia guillotine.
There's certain guys that are really good at getting the blade of the forearm across your esophagus.
It's very painful.
Amal Easton taught me how to do this.
Shout out to Boulder, Colorado.
Amal Easton is a jiu-jitsu coach and he's got a fantastic guillotine.
One of the things about his guillotine is he knows how to get that blade of that bone Right into your esophagus.
It's horrific.
It feels terrible.
And they do it like with a high elbow so you can't escape it.
And it's an immediate feeling.
That guy has his forearm right across that guy's throat.
There's no doubt about it.
If I'm holding that like that, and he has his hands clasped together.
Can you make it a little bigger?
unidentified
So his hand is out, right hand.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, but you can still choke someone out, even if his hand...
I can't tell if his hands are connected.
I think they are.
It looks like he's got a hand inside his hand.
ari shaffir
No, I mean, Eric Garner's hands are like wide.
joe rogan
No, 100%.
100%.
And his arm is behind his back, too.
But the point is, the guy who's choking him, the way he's doing that, you could choke a guy like that with one arm.
You don't even have to have that right arm in play.
If he's got that left arm underneath the neck like that, all he has to do is hook the back of the head.
Or the shoulder, rather.
The traps.
ari shaffir
What's his name from San Jose?
Jake Shields?
Yeah, he used to get somebody in a one-armed guillotine.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jake could do anybody like that.
Tito Ortiz did that in the UFC before.
He choked somebody out with a one-armed guillotine.
Luke Rockhold did it to Michael Bisping.
He got him in a mounted one-armed guillotine.
ari shaffir
I mean, here's the problem.
Why don't the other cops ever go, hey, Tony, that's enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, listen, man, that's a goddamn chokehold.
I know chokeholds.
I commentate them on for a fucking living.
That's a chokehold.
And if you don't think it's a chokehold, let me put you in it.
Let me put you in it.
Let's see how long you last.
What?
That's a fucking chokehold.
ari shaffir
Have you...
Have you been...
I don't know what I'm allowed to bring up here.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
That guy who's been calling you out?
Have you talked about it?
joe rogan
Alex Jones?
ari shaffir
No.
That fighter.
joe rogan
Which one?
ari shaffir
Colby?
joe rogan
Listen, Colby's funny, man.
I know Colby, and I also know very well one of Colby's really good friends is my friend Cam Haynes.
They live in the same town.
ari shaffir
He's funny!
joe rogan
Because it's good.
ari shaffir
You really gotta choose to be heel or hero, and I would always go heel.
joe rogan
He's all heel.
ari shaffir
Ah, it's so much more fun.
Go heel.
joe rogan
You know what's really hilarious?
Chael Sundin's mad that I talked about what he does.
ari shaffir
What Chael does?
joe rogan
No, I talked about what Colby does.
I go, he's having fun.
I go, he's playing up the role of the villain, and he's selling pay-per-views.
ari shaffir
And why's he mad at you?
Because you're taking away the fourth wall?
joe rogan
Because I'm giving up the secrets of the business!
It's so ridiculous.
Meanwhile, he's giving up the secrets of the business by talking about me giving up the secrets of the business.
It's the dumbest shit of all time.
I can't tell if it's a work.
I can't tell if what he's doing...
ari shaffir
If Chael's doing?
joe rogan
Yeah, if he's doing...
If he's fake upset.
ari shaffir
There was a point where Chael was the best trash talker in sports.
joe rogan
Ever?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, he was phenomenal.
He still is.
But the idea that you bring up the fact that he's a trash talker.
ari shaffir
When I walk into the octagon, it's thunder.
when Anderson Silva walks in it sounds like a mouse pissing on cotton it's like what the fuck I've never lost a fight in my life I've never lost a round of I've never lost one second of one fight in my life and then it's like what about here where you can fucking stop didn't matter He just kept going.
joe rogan
I loved it.
It was beautiful.
He's a smart guy, but he's also getting us to talk about it and getting us to talk about his show, which I'll give him a plug right now because I'm sure it's great.
He's with Ariel Helwani and Chell Sonnen have a new show It's called Ariel and the Bad Guy.
You've got to get that ESPN app to get it.
Yeah, he's the bad guy.
He's great at it.
ari shaffir
He's great at it.
joe rogan
Listen, he ranted and raved about us for like 10 minutes and then Brendan responded and he came back with another 20 minutes.
You don't ever talk about the business.
First of all, I have to, because my job is to call what I see.
Even when I'm promoting things, if I'm promoting things, I'm calling what I see.
If I say Francis Ngannou is the most terrifying heavyweight contender ever, I say that because that's what I see.
I see him put Alistair Overeem into fucking orbit.
ari shaffir
I can see a side of it.
You just talked about the fighting part.
That's what you're experts at.
joe rogan
I talk about whatever I want to talk about.
ari shaffir
Listen, here's the deal, Chael.
Here's what you should understand.
You stick to fighting and promoting and let intelligence...
Leave that here to intelligent people.
You're out of your class.
Fucking deal with it.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Uneducated.
You're a high school dropout and you know it.
You're good at trash talk and that's it.
Fucking move on with your life.
joe rogan
I think he graduated from college.
ari shaffir
No, he didn't.
He fucking dropped out of high school early.
Like sophomore year.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
No, that guy's dumb, bro.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Chell Sonnen is dumb.
unidentified
Are you sure?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Have you ever talked to him?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Dude, he's two points above retarded.
joe rogan
That's fact.
ari shaffir
That's fact.
unidentified
You can look that up.
joe rogan
What are the points?
What points do you get when you got a real issue?
ari shaffir
Keep in mind, the line that they have medically is like, if you are barely retarded, you're still not really retarded.
joe rogan
We should be more politically correct with our use of that word.
ari shaffir
Mentally retarded?
True.
joe rogan
You're a terrible person.
Oh, you can't say that.
You can't say that.
That's illegal.
Yeah, depending on who's president, you'll get arrested for that.
They're coming for you.
I like Chael.
I like what he does.
I have to talk about the fact that someone's talking shit to build up, but it doesn't stop someone from talking shit.
It also makes it more fun to watch.
I know what the fuck it is, and I like it.
People are gonna like it.
It makes it more interesting.
Look, Rafael dos Anjos went into that octagon with the weight of not just fighting Colby with his considerable skill set, because Colby beat him from fucking round one to round five.
Most rounds were controlled by Colby's pressure.
Most moments.
Dos Anjos is a killer.
He had some very good moments in the first round, but Kobe overwhelmed him.
There's no doubt about that.
So he has skill on top of that.
But part of what was interesting about it was Rafael Dos Anjos came into there with the weight of all the shit that Kobe had been talking.
That stuff, you carry that, man.
Aldo carried that.
ari shaffir
That's what Aldo was with Conor.
joe rogan
Like a lead vest.
ari shaffir
He jumped in.
unidentified
What are you doing?
joe rogan
Dude, like a lead.
He had a lead vest on him.
The anger he had.
He just wanted to smash Conor.
ari shaffir
Oh my God.
joe rogan
And Conor slammed.
ari shaffir
Like right away, what are you doing?
joe rogan
Dropped a left hand on his chin.
It was one of the most artistic expressions of shit-talking, manifesting, outside-the-box behavior, you know, loss of composure.
He lost his composure.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he really did.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
He just got super hyper-aggressive, and he ran right into a perfectly placed left hand.
But Anderson and Chael had that, too.
I mean, Chael...
He frustrated Anderson so bad.
ari shaffir
He frustrated him more with what he was doing in the octagon.
joe rogan
No, saying.
Saying first.
He talked crazy mad shit.
See, for people to appreciate Chael as a fighter, what I say is, you've seen some really good fights, and he's had some recent wins that are very good.
He beat Rampage.
That's a big win.
But if you go back, watch him fight Nate Marquardt.
Because Nate Marquardt was in his prime.
He would come over from Strikeforce.
He was, at that time, was he just leaving Strikeforce?
He went to Strikeforce and became their welterweight champion.
He became their 170 over there.
He beat Tyron Woodley in this crazy fucking KO sequence where he blasts him with an elbow and hits him with an uppercut.
It's one of the greatest KO sequences of all time.
I'll play this for you.
Let me just say this.
Nate Marquardt, at one point in time, was one of the best, if not The best mixed martial arts fighter in this country.
ari shaffir
He just couldn't get by Sanderson.
joe rogan
No, he never found the UFC during his right moments in his prime.
He had already had a shitload of fights outside the UFC by the time he got here.
And I think he was probably a little compromised by the time he got here.
ari shaffir
Josh Barnett's like the...
Although he never really fought much.
joe rogan
Well, he won the title in the UFC when he was 24. He's the youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.
ari shaffir
Well, I'm a moron.
I mean, that's clearly wrong.
joe rogan
Josh fought a bunch of times in the UFC during one stint, and he got KO'd by Pedro Hizzo.
He beat Randy Couture for the title.
Josh was a beast, man.
I mean, Josh was a fucking beast.
He really was.
But so was Nate Marquardt.
And Chael fought Nate Marquardt when Nate Marquardt was very close to his prime.
They went to war, man.
They went to fucking war.
And Chael dominated him.
Chael dominated him.
Yeah, and he dominated him with his wrestling.
His wrestling, because he talks so much shit, and because he seems so silly when he says, I've never lost a second of any round in any fight.
This is the KO sequence with Nate Marquardt and Tyron.
Dude, Nate Marquardt was a fucking assassin at one point.
I know guys that trained with him.
They say, dude, I never saw Nate lose a fucking round.
It just never came together perfectly in the UFC, but watch this KO sequence.
This is insane.
By the way, he's fighting Tyron Woodley.
Boom, he catches him.
Watch this.
Watch this elbow.
Boom!
Here it comes.
Oh, this is not the sequence.
This is the sequence towards the end.
ari shaffir
Oh, you're fired, Jamie.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is not the sequence where it was the KO. See if you can just get right to the KO. I thought I had it right, and then it started a bit over.
This was, by the way, very different Tyron Woodley, I should say, too.
This is pre-Duke Rufus.
This is Tyron when he was just coming off of wrestling.
Here it is.
So you heard him with that right hand, and he comes in and he catches him with a big elbow.
This would have been way better if it was just queued up to the KO. Isn't there just the KO sequence?
Because I know I've seen it, like, just as a clip on YouTube.
Just scoot ahead a little.
There, right there.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Nate Marker was great for a while.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you.
So this fight, boom, look at this.
Boom.
Come on, man.
That's video game.
Play that back.
unidentified
Gosh.
joe rogan
That's video game shit.
That's video game shit.
ari shaffir
Connected with everyone.
joe rogan
And again, this is Tyron Woodley.
He's a fucking stud.
ari shaffir
You're not doing it to a fucking...
unidentified
Boom.
Boom.
joe rogan
I mean, that shit is insane.
That's an insane KO. So, Chael dominated that dude.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And dominated him when he was in this era.
Tell me what year was this fight and what year was Chael's fight against him in the UFC? So, Chael had some serious skill too, particularly with his wrestling.
So people, you know...
But the trash talking was why he became famous.
It wasn't just that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, no, it was a trash-talking.
That's when I became aware of it.
joe rogan
Just Google Nate Marquardt's MMA record.
ari shaffir
The lead-up to that Anderson fight was like nothing I'd ever seen.
Anderson Silva!
unidentified
You absolutely suck!
ari shaffir
I mean, we saw a bunch of Anderson fights, and we saw a bunch of hype before that, but it was never that.
At best, it was like, I'm going to take him down and beat him.
joe rogan
So, the Tyron Woodley fight was in 2012, and when did he fight?
Chael Sonnen was before that.
See?
That's how good Chael Sonnen was.
He beat that back.
ari shaffir
Two years before.
joe rogan
Before he went over to Strikeforce, he became the welterweight champion.
So he fought him in his absolute prime and dominated him.
ari shaffir
He fought so many good people.
This is Nate Marquardt?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, he fought everybody.
ari shaffir
Dean Lister, Silva, Jimmy Horne.
joe rogan
KO'd Damian Maia with one punch, remember?
ari shaffir
Damian Maia, Chael Sonnen.
joe rogan
He got lit up by Anderson, though.
ari shaffir
Cardo Almeida, fuck.
There's Yushin Okami, Dan Miller.
joe rogan
Anderson ground and pounded him, I think.
ari shaffir
Oh, Nate?
joe rogan
Nate, yeah.
But Nate, honestly, I feel like Nate at 170 was at his best.
Yeah, he TKO'd him.
He ground and pounded him, I believe.
At 170, he was at his best.
Can you see him in the Tyron Woodley fight?
Because he was big, but he wasn't too big.
He wasn't too bulky.
And he was a very powerful guy for that weight class.
If he kept it that weight class.
ari shaffir
Damn, he's lost a lot.
joe rogan
He lost a lot of fights, yeah.
That's the problem.
And I think he's retiring now.
But...
ari shaffir
It's like two and six.
joe rogan
But my point was, it doesn't take anything away from the skill of the guy when you're talking about his shit talking.
It's fun.
It's a fun aspect of what it is that you have to talk about.
And the idea that he's not making money off it is preposterous.
That's a ridiculous argument.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
Not making money off?
joe rogan
He was saying that I said that he was doing it for pay-per-view sales, and he's like, he doesn't get a penny of those pay-per-view sales.
That's a ridiculous thing.
ari shaffir
That's what I'm saying, dude.
unidentified
He's dumb.
ari shaffir
He's a dumb guy.
His trash talk is just from an uninformed point of view.
It's great because it's stupidly into something, but he's not educated on almost any subject other than fighting.
joe rogan
I think he's a smart guy.
ari shaffir
No, I disagree.
joe rogan
I talk to him.
I feel like he's very intelligent.
ari shaffir
Yeah, well, you're a giddy.
joe rogan
Wow, I am a guinea.
It's harsh.
Throw that in my face.
When I look at all the Jews that won Nobel Peace Prizes, Nobel Science Project, whatever it is.
What is it?
Nobel Prizes for Science won by more European Jews.
Than I think any other race.
ari shaffir
Is it surprising?
joe rogan
Isn't that true?
ari shaffir
Yeah, that sounds right.
Than any other race?
joe rogan
Any other, I think, any other obvious classification.
It's never Sicilian Italians.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the word's out, man.
We're smart.
joe rogan
Why are you guys smarter?
What is that about?
ari shaffir
I think it's just honestly like...
It's the stuff Jimmy the Greek was talking about, but like in a positive way.
We're just...
Our brains...
First of all, okay, we're bred for that.
We don't have any outside genes.
So like, you know how some dogs are super like loyal.
Yeah, we're just intelligence.
Everything else is falling apart.
unidentified
There might be something to that.
joe rogan
Why is it racist to say?
Why is it racist if there's statistics?
ari shaffir
It's not racist to say we're smarter.
It's racist to say something is less smart.
Right, right.
joe rogan
Less, yeah.
ari shaffir
But no, we're the smartest ones.
Maybe a second.
joe rogan
Maybe the Chinese got you beat.
Well, you know, Asians, this is what's really crazy.
There's a real issue right now with Asians and university enrollments, particularly in Harvard.
They discriminate against Asians.
ari shaffir
Because so many apply?
joe rogan
Because so many are kicking ass.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they're doing so well.
To get them out of there?
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's like real talk about how this is crazy because Asian people for, by, alright, this is a generalization and I'm trying not to be racist, but...
Generally speaking, Asian students are known as working very hard, and they're very dedicated, and they're very successful.
And their representation is overwhelming in terms of their numbers in the population.
ari shaffir
For sure, they're killing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're killing it.
And because of that...
And their mindset is to just work really hard.
It's not to protest things and not to shut things down.
unidentified
It's just to work really hard.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, they're in the library.
During all those protests, they're just in the library.
Them and the Indians.
joe rogan
While this is all happening, I'm not saying that they're not socially conscious, but while this is all happening, they're not protesting it the way maybe other groups that felt marginalized, whether it's people of color or trans people or gay people, whatever it is that don't feel represented or discriminated against, they would be shutting down Conferences and yelling down speakers and shouting out in the hallway.
But the Asians, the whole reason why they kick ass is because they don't spend any time on petty bullshit.
ari shaffir
They're just like, get it done.
joe rogan
So because of that, Harvard, fucking Harvard, is saying, hey, we're going to be racist against you because we know you're not going to complain.
ari shaffir
Whoa, what?
joe rogan
Look at this.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Pull this up.
Pull this up, Jamie.
I want you to pull up Asian students...
Harder to get into Harvard lawsuit.
ari shaffir
That's crazy!
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And it's not a small amount they're discriminating by.
They're making their grades considerably higher in order to gain acceptance.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Wow.
I mean, is that because of a natural breakdown of different races?
joe rogan
You can't slow one down.
ari shaffir
Then that just means Harvard would have less...
Productive graduates?
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
It's a crazy way of thinking, but it's all in this idea of diversity.
Like, instead of treating people as individuals, instead of just saying human beings, you have to have each class represented by a certain amount of people.
That's nuts!
But it's not anti-racist.
It's like, it's not A racist idea to want everybody to be treated as one.
It's just, it can be done with an eye on avoiding all possible racism.
It can be done to treat people purely as individuals.
Here's the worst way that can ever be done.
The worst way is you tell the most successful people who are complaining the least that they have to work harder.
You are getting fucked by your genes.
The people in your past, in your group, your little gene pool, too good.
You're doing too good in school, so we're gonna make it harder than it is for my kids.
ari shaffir
That's nuts.
joe rogan
That's literally what people are doing.
Because if they didn't, Harvard would be like all Asians.
Asians would be dominating.
And the very reason why they think they can get away with this.
Lawsuit accuses Harvard of discriminating against Asian American applicants in personal ratings.
ari shaffir
Personal ratings.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is, man.
They're making it more difficult.
It says, students for fair admissions has accused Harvard of intentionally discriminating against Asian American applicants by limiting their admissions numbers.
So they're limiting the numbers of agents.
Only this many agents.
ari shaffir
And by the way, that's super hard for like...
Let's say like Vietnamese or not the Chinese or Japanese.
joe rogan
We should say we don't know if this is true.
We should say, just to be really clear, this is a lawsuit.
We don't know if this is true.
But this is the argument, and this is the argument that many, many, many people have made.
Now, I haven't really personally researched this, but I know a lot of legitimate intellectuals have brought this up in debates and conversations, and they're saying, look, this is an issue.
This is essentially...
This is sanctioned racism against one group because they're too effective.
So you're limiting the numbers...
ari shaffir
Or you're saying where we're trying to get more of an emphasis on extracurriculars.
joe rogan
You shouldn't get in or out based on being Asian or based on being European.
That's crazy.
You should get in or out by you having merit and you being a worthy student.
And difficult schools like Harvard are supposed to be difficult.
And if the cream of the crop all comes from Asia...
Shouldn't we look at what the fuck we're doing here that we can't compete with them?
I mean, what is it?
ari shaffir
Wow, they're getting rid of Asian students.
joe rogan
Do we want to compete with them?
I mean, is it too much?
Are they requiring too much of their life to be successful with their schoolwork?
ari shaffir
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
That's the thing, too.
If you're going through college...
ari shaffir
Are they saying you want a normal life?
You want to develop your normal life, too?
joe rogan
If you're going through college and everything you're doing all day is studying, and literally you might have some fucking shitty part-time job somewhere to make some money, For food, and then you're studying more, right?
Maybe you have a part-time job, a lot of people don't.
So if you think about all that time...
ari shaffir
That's not the kind of life I want for my kids.
joe rogan
That's a crazy life, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, no way.
joe rogan
And especially with some of the things that are just...
For four years, some of the things, it's not anything you're really interested in, but you have to get it on.
You have to have a fully balanced education.
So you have to take classes you're not even remotely interested in.
And you have to do it.
And it's this one way.
And this is how we can assure that you have enough knowledge that we can give you a piece of paper that says you have a degree.
ari shaffir
I mean...
joe rogan
And Asians are kicking ass at that.
unidentified
They are killing it.
ari shaffir
They are killing it.
Like, that's the game?
Okay.
I'll play within those rules.
joe rogan
Well, we're just going to work 20 hours a day.
Dude, my friend, Junkzik, I think I've told you about him before.
He was a U.S. National Taekwondo team member.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
When I was like...
ari shaffir
Who's Jungsik?
Indonesian?
joe rogan
Jungsik Chang.
He's Korean.
ari shaffir
Oh, Chang.
joe rogan
He was going through his fucking residency.
He was going to be a doctor.
Going through his residency and training for the national team.
And he was running stairs.
Running stairs in the school.
In between studying.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
He would do studying and he would run the stairs.
ari shaffir
How are you going to hold a guy like that back?
joe rogan
Dude, you couldn't hold him back.
He slept four hours a night.
ari shaffir
If that's true, that's the same shit as like...
joe rogan
He was always tired.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
He's always tired because he works hard.
joe rogan
He didn't give a fuck.
He was always tired.
He would just show up exhausted and kick ass.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
And he wasn't physically talented either.
This guy made it to the to the nationals and he became a national champion and he wasn't even like really really physically talented.
It wasn't like some freak athlete that just moves super fast.
He's just fucking unbelievably smart, unbelievably hard worker.
But I saw the way that guy was living as he was like, I was a couple years younger than him, and he was going through his residency and training and doing all this crazy shit at the same time.
And I was like, I'm exhausted just watching you.
Like, I can't see how this could be worth it.
To do all those things.
To do one of those things?
Maybe.
That's what I want to do.
I want to do one of those things.
But you're doing two of those things.
He was doing what I was doing, and then on top of that...
ari shaffir
And then more.
joe rogan
And way more.
Way more.
He was doing schoolwork.
Dad was delivering newspapers and shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you know what this...
If that's happening, they're just saying like...
It's the same thing as like making it so white people get ahead.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
ari shaffir
It's like...
unidentified
You can't do that.
ari shaffir
Oh, there's loitering laws now.
You're arrested if you don't have a job.
joe rogan
But this is where you could realize that all this stuff is crazy.
You're being racist against a minority.
And you think it's okay because they kick so much ass.
ari shaffir
Because they're powerful.
So you're like, we can take them down some.
joe rogan
It's literally racist.
Because if you're saying you can only have a certain number of these people in there, that's racist.
It's got to be.
To say, no, we're trying to keep a diverse population.
It's not a representative population of the best of the best, then.
ari shaffir
I mean, they should take off any of their names off their applications or something like that and just be like, let's see what they got.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I guess they'd probably judge you based on many things, right?
ari shaffir
You know, they tried that for the old Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
joe rogan
Just take the names off the applications?
ari shaffir
Say, we don't want to see your names.
Just see your writing sample.
joe rogan
Oh, that's smart.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's smart.
ari shaffir
Well, here's what happened, though.
They hired only white males.
joe rogan
God damn it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And then Jon Stewart was like, okay, I guess going in blind is not enough.
I guess we fucked up.
unidentified
Damn.
ari shaffir
He didn't even say, like, well, that just shows it's not our fault.
That's just fucking randomly.
We had eight people, and they happened to be white dudes.
joe rogan
Here's the thing, though.
If you had movers, okay, and you wanted to move furniture, and you tested people for moving furniture, is it okay to hire all men?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's okay.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because they're physically stronger.
ari shaffir
Physically, yeah.
joe rogan
Now...
Is it okay to hire someone who you think is going to be the best at the job, or do you have to have a certain amount of women?
So you wouldn't expect it from something physical, like a moving company.
But why should it be mandatory for something like a creative thing?
ari shaffir
Well, it's different a little bit because no one except the client is appreciating the movers.
So it's just like, if I'm hiring, I'm the only one who'll have to deal with it.
joe rogan
Like, say if you were doing a show, like a woman's show, a woman's comedy show.
Okay.
ari shaffir
Wait, am I me now?
Or am I a woman?
joe rogan
You'd have to be a woman, I guess.
ari shaffir
Okay, go ahead.
joe rogan
And you are a female executive producer and you wanted to have like a female voice to it.
So you wanted to just hire some really funny chicks.
And what guy is going to...
I know obviously it happens way, way, way, way more often the opposite way where women get discriminated against.
But what guy is going to say, no, fuck that.
I want a part of this.
You know, I should have a job here.
You should be equally represented, male versus female.
Because that's what a lot of people feel like when it comes to men and women.
Like, someone was telling Bert on his podcast that the comedy store should be half women.
ari shaffir
I know, that lady just, she honestly has no idea what American comedy is all about.
joe rogan
Was she Chell Sutton in it?
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, she's speaking in an uninformed way, the way Chell does a lot.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
Dude, it's not a joke.
He's just not that smart.
You don't get to tell that.
Whatever.
But this one was the same as jail where she was like uninformed and just going full bore.
Yeah.
And she wasn't doing to promote anything.
She was just doing it because she thought it was right.
But it's like, oh, you don't really understand how this works.
There's a process.
I saw a blog once that we need more women in hiring positions.
You mean the head of the Comedy Store, the head of the fucking Comedy Cellar, head of New York Comedy Club, Colbert.
There's plenty of female bookers.
You don't really know.
So when you tell them that, then they should go, oh, okay.
Oh, I didn't realize that.
joe rogan
Well, there's certain things that people love to say when they've done almost no research on what it actually is.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
So that lady had no clue.
She just goes, I'm not getting in here.
I'm a big comic.
I'm not getting in here.
It's just not causation and causality.
She goes, it must be because of this.
I've had my agents call.
And it's like, oh, no, I work for Mitzi.
When agents or managers call to get my client in, she goes, fuck off.
That's not the way we do things here.
joe rogan
Dude, I got in an argument with someone about the wage gap.
And they really believe that men and women work right next to each other doing the same job and the woman is only making 75 cents to the guy's dollar.
ari shaffir
That's what's been put out there enough times.
joe rogan
But this is a crazy thing to argue.
If you're going to argue that, you should know what that is.
You should know what that is.
Otherwise, you're just talking shit, which we all do sometimes.
But you've got to be willing to say, oh, I didn't really know.
ari shaffir
It's like, I believe in this, I believe in that.
It's like, which studies have you read?
Almost always, no, zero studies.
I'd like to believe this versus whatever.
Luckily, we're not in charge of making decisions.
joe rogan
People love, love to put these studies out, like to tweet them out without having even looked at them at all.
Yeah.
Some of these are so – there's studies out there that prove you everything.
ari shaffir
Dave Smith says it's the best with wage gap.
He's like, so you're telling me I can get the same – I'm a smart businessman who's made a bunch of money and I can get the same level of talent.
Out of this woman.
joe rogan
Or better.
ari shaffir
Well, let's just say equal, but 75% or better.
I'm sorry, man.
I'm sorry.
Or equal or probably better.
For 75 cents on the dollar.
And I'm a smart businessman.
And I'm not going to go with the lower cost equal talent or better talent.
How can I run a successful business making that kind of decision?
joe rogan
How can you?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They would be hired at far higher rates.
Or you can look deeper at it and be like, oh, it's just like total jobs or whatever it is.
Again, I haven't read any of the studies, but...
I just listen to people who have.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
I think there's something to that.
If they really could hire the same people for the same job and get a woman who's just as good at it for 75 cents, it's horseshit though.
ari shaffir
They would hire only women.
joe rogan
The people don't know what we're talking about.
It's all based on what jobs you choose.
Men don't make more money because they do the same job and make more money at that job than the woman does.
They do different jobs.
That's where the wage gap is.
The wage gap is in the number of hours that men work.
The different jobs that they choose, what they excel in.
It has nothing to do with two people that are both in the same line, an assembly line or something like that, with the same amount of time, and they both make the same amount of money.
And one, or rather, the male makes a dollar for every 75 cents.
That's not how the wage gap works.
It's just different jobs.
ari shaffir
Okay, so hearing that information, like I remember when I first heard it, it was like, you can either go, fuck you, you're just trying to fucking shit on women, or you can go, huh, well, I never thought of that, let me look into that a little bit, and then I'll get back to you.
Instead of immediately reacting, fuck off.
joe rogan
Well, people get mad, like, that's not what it is.
Like, yes, it is what it is, and you're foolish if you keep arguing with me, because you don't even know what it is.
This is a dumb conversation now.
I can't argue with you when I know that you haven't read any of the stuff that points to these numbers.
Like...
Look, the thing is, no one should be, like, whatever you do, whatever it is, whether it is you make incredible sculptures, or you build cars, or you're a painter, whatever the fuck it is that you do, no one should be able to say that you doing this Definitely should make as much money as doing that.
No, things are worth what they're worth.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, exactly.
Remember Tommy DeLutz?
Bowler?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, at some point he was ranked, I think, top 15 in the world at his sport, which is the equivalent of, like, I'm trying to even think who would be, like, Carmelo Anthony, I'd say.
joe rogan
Right, right.
ari shaffir
And this guy, Tommy DeLutz, at his sport, made 38 grand, and Carmelo makes, you know, 20 million.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Sorry, your sport's not as popular.
joe rogan
It's just not as popular.
ari shaffir
Your weight class isn't as popular.
joe rogan
That's just how it works.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's just how it works.
ari shaffir
Your job is not fucking sought after.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I could see how you would want more money.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sure.
Everybody does.
joe rogan
I get that.
But, like, there's certain people that it's harder to do that job, and the reason why they do it is because they know that it's more valuable.
So they work harder and they get that job.
unidentified
Higher death rates.
joe rogan
Can you imagine being the fucking CEO of a corporation, how much pressure would be on you all the time?
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
Being fucking Tim Cook over at Apple.
unidentified
Ah!
ari shaffir
Well, that's why I don't get paid as much as him.
unidentified
Exactly.
ari shaffir
It's a fucking horrible job.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
Well, that is the same philosophy, is the reason why women approach, and I say some women, I should say, because they're super hyper-aggressive, career-oriented women that work as hard or harder than men, maybe even harder to prove that they're as tough as the men.
But they would take the approach that you and I would take.
They're like, fuck that life.
I'm not doing that.
Whereas, it's statistically more males push themselves by working longer and harder hours on purpose to try to succeed.
It's just a natural thing.
They're trying to win a game.
There's a competition game.
There's points on the board.
That's what materialism is.
ari shaffir
By the way, I think that's a fool's game to get into.
Personally, I see people doing that, my friends from high school, and I'm like, you're wasting your life.
For what?
For a digit number.
You're not doing anything with yourself.
joe rogan
The problem is, man, they get stuck in this loop of obligation.
They get stuck in the loop of children and mortgage, and then once you have a car and a nice house, and maybe you want to get a boat, dude, you get stuck.
And you have all these payments and obligations, and you're not going to work because you have a family, but maybe you always wanted to be a rock and roll singer.
And you never fucking got a chance to get out of the blocks, and you're living your life in this angry state, unfulfilled angry state.
So, the advice is for the young.
The advice is for young people.
The advice is for people that look at their parents and all these other people that are telling them what they have to do.
Are they right?
Or is there a fucking path out there if you just figure out what you really like to do and just only go that way?
Because if you go this way, and then I'm going to take a couple years off and go that way for a while, and then I'm going to go back to school and get my degree just so I have something to fall back on, you didn't get any further down the road.
You're in the same spot you would have been if you didn't do shit.
You've got to go forward.
ari shaffir
Do something forward.
Even if it's the wrong direction, you're still getting experience doing something.
joe rogan
You're finding out what it takes to succeed and fail.
ari shaffir
But at least you're making the decision on purpose in order to get something you think is right.
joe rogan
I don't know what it's like.
ari shaffir
Dude, I think more and more people are saying no to this whole way of doing it.
And more of being like, I want to be outdoors.
I value friendship over cash.
You know, things like that.
Experiences over fucking money.
And they're starting to go the other way.
They're starting to ask for like, when they get their jobs, like, okay, I'll take this job, but I want six weeks off.
You know, I'll take less money, but I want more freedom.
People are going for that.
joe rogan
They are, and they should.
There's no time.
ari shaffir
What do you value?
joe rogan
There's no time.
ari shaffir
There's no time.
joe rogan
You gotta do what you like.
You gotta do stuff you enjoy.
ari shaffir
That's why I went to New York.
I was like, I saw 40 coming.
And I was like, this seems like it's gonna be less and less doable, you know, to pick up and move at certain age ranges.
I know it's not, but it just seems like that.
And so it's like, go!
Fucking do something that you want to do.
Get going.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I want you to exercise more, dude.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
I want you to.
You're a smart guy.
And you're in your 40s.
When you're in your 40s, it's super important to keep your body healthy.
Because it's going to start deteriorating.
ari shaffir
I was talking about someone this weekend.
joe rogan
Dude, it just starts falling apart, man.
Stuff starts working shitty.
You see dudes, they have...
You know what freaks me out?
ari shaffir
My resolution is here to work out more.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
ari shaffir
Come on.
joe rogan
After this fucking podcast.
Let's get one in, son.
ari shaffir
Lift.
I don't know if it's cardio.
joe rogan
Just do shit.
There's cardio machines over here.
I have a VersaClimber.
ari shaffir
I did it once in a while, but I got to do it more.
I just bike for two hours.
Just like you're going strong.
unidentified
Just ride around.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but like fast.
joe rogan
That's why I like running some outside doing something.
I'm running around.
ari shaffir
Feels cooler.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's something to it.
I'm running around.
I see things.
I'm moving.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're on a machine, you just fucking, unless you're listening to a good book on tape or you're watching a good television show or something like that, it's boring.
But when you're running, you gotta look about where you step in.
ari shaffir
Dude, when you're high and watching some Cartoon Network shit and running, you could go forever.
joe rogan
You could.
ari shaffir
You really can.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Music helps you go forever.
There's something about having a badass song.
You don't hear your own breath.
ari shaffir
Put some peaches on.
joe rogan
It's like you...
You get a nice rhythm that doesn't freak you out.
It freaks me out sometimes when I hear a rhythm of me really pushing hard cardio because I go, God damn, I'm going pretty hard.
Maybe I should back off.
But when you're listening to music, you don't even think about it.
You just keep going.
It's like a little meditative trick that occupies your mind in some weird way.
It lets you to put just a little extra effort in.
ari shaffir
It's pretty fun.
Plus you gotta get off your phone.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You can't really be on there while you're doing that.
unidentified
Can't be on your phone.
ari shaffir
So it like forces you to go clear for a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't answer calls and shit when you're on a fucking treadmill, asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People trying to talk to you here in the background.
ari shaffir
They do that in movies.
They do that in movies where they go like, yeah, go.
And they're just like, they're not out of breath.
They're able to talk normally.
They did that and they do nightclubs right wrong.
joe rogan
Kevin Smith's the first guy I ever saw that had a desk that was on a treadmill.
He had his desk right here.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, when he first started losing weight, he's gone through a few different versions of like dieting and changing his diet.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He had a heart attack.
ari shaffir
No way, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a heart attack.
ari shaffir
When?
joe rogan
He was filming a special.
He filmed two shows.
He was supposed to film two shows.
Filmed one, and then in between shows had a fucking heart attack.
And just...
They were like, you're having a massive heart attack, we're taking you to the hospital.
ari shaffir
In between?
Filmings?
joe rogan
And he had the kind of heart attack that 80% of the people that get it die.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a big one.
Total blockage.
Yeah, total blockage of one of his arteries.
They had to put a stent in him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole deal.
And he's lost like a shitload of weight.
ari shaffir
Since then?
joe rogan
A shitload.
ari shaffir
Wait, was this recently?
joe rogan
Yeah, real recently.
ari shaffir
Because he lost weight before.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So this was when he lost weight before.
When I first met him, he's a sweetheart of a guy.
You know him well?
ari shaffir
I barely know him.
I've never met him.
I've just talked to him online a couple times, like real quick.
joe rogan
Super smart.
Like deceptively smart.
ari shaffir
Oh, his speeches he makes at Comic-Con are fucking...
Glorious.
joe rogan
No, he's amazing.
He's an amazing guy.
And he's a real, real, like a genuine sweetheart.
So when I first met him, he had a sugar thing.
He just loved sugar.
He was eating a lot of candy.
He just loved to eat candy.
And then when I met him a sec time, I ran into him.
He decided to go on like a bunch of juice cleanses and shit.
He was just drinking a lot of juice and eating healthy food.
He lost a fuckload of weight.
And that's when he had the...
The treadmill thing with a laptop on this platform.
So he would walk and do his work.
Smart move.
ari shaffir
I say a lot of that shit's mental.
Like whenever Ralphie got his stomach staples.
Wow, he looks like a mouse.
joe rogan
Tiny little face.
A little beautiful tiny face.
ari shaffir
Oh, look how fat he was there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got big.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but like as soon as you lose that weight, you gotta see a therapist.
You're covering up something.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's something to it for sure.
People get in ruts, man.
You get in ruts with your food.
You get in ruts with your behavior.
But the food one is a big one.
That kind of food is just fucking terrible for your body.
You're just constantly consuming sugar.
You're putting your body into a state of shock, processing the stuff that's never supposed to be in that form.
ari shaffir
I said Patrice would like chug two candy bars and then pass out his body, which I process it.
But like, what's going on in his brain?
joe rogan
This is one of the things I want to say to you.
One of the things that's fun about you going to New York is you've brought more New York insult style to our conversations and our hangings out.
Because LA style is like way less insulting.
But you, like our group text messages that we have with Bert and Tom.
ari shaffir
That's my favorite thing, that group text.
joe rogan
It's a fucking great text.
But the insults to each other are hilarious now.
It's such New York style insult comedy.
ari shaffir
My friends in New York say they're like, you're Bridget Gabbard between LA comedy and New York comedy.
It's always separate before you came there.
joe rogan
It's true, dude.
You've made everybody more insulting.
But it's fun.
See, the thing is, it's fun, man.
I love insulting each other.
It's fucking fun.
It's silly fun, man.
And when someone gets you with a good one, it's like, oh shit.
unidentified
It's that stuff.
joe rogan
But it's like in LA, they're avoiding it.
ari shaffir
I just said something about my coffee pot.
I didn't know.
joe rogan
You know who had a great point?
Wanda Sykes said that was Patrice.
She said Patrice elevated that level.
She really said it.
She's like, I think he changed the frequency of that comedy scene.
unidentified
I'm like, you're right.
ari shaffir
That's possible.
I think she's 100% right.
And he started The Hugs in LA. Who started The Hugs?
The guy who died in the car accident.
Josh Adamari's friend.
I can't remember his name now.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't know him that well.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but he brought hugs back.
He was like, fuck, I'm doing this.
And it just kind of spread out from the open mic scene to Gerard, to us.
joe rogan
Well, we always hugged.
ari shaffir
Sort of, but he's like constant hugs for hellos, where it's like, it's not weird anymore.
joe rogan
I didn't know of him, and I independently was hugging for hellos, so I reject that notion.
But I think it's great that everybody was doing it.
ari shaffir
I heard that guy was an awesome guy.
joe rogan
I didn't know him.
I don't even think I ever saw him.
ari shaffir
Angelo Bowers.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think I ever even saw him do stand-up.
I think I'd maybe see him at the clubs.
ari shaffir
Great guy, full of love, good joke writer.
joe rogan
No one says a bad thing about the guy.
ari shaffir
So Patrice would do stuff where he was like, DeRosa would walk in, and he would just start making fun of DeRosa's lack of shoulders.
unidentified
Oh, God.
ari shaffir
He would be like, fucking DeRosa can't wear backpacks, because they'd fucking fall off.
He goes, my favorite one, that you brought that up, he goes, Joe DeRosa can't have a heart-to-heart with his father, because every time his father tries to put his hand on his shoulder, he slides off.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Oh my God.
I was on the phone calling in to Opie and Anthony once and I was talking about Anthony's gun collection.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I said, do you worry like your con...
He goes, I'm strapped everywhere.
I go, I go all throughout your house.
Everywhere you go, you're strapped.
He goes, yes, absolutely.
I'm like, do you ever think that like maybe you're like manifesting this?
That like by constantly having guns everywhere, you're manifesting potential gun violence?
And Patrice goes, Rogan thinks that kind of shit because he's magic.
Like Rogan's out there manifesting shit.
He's asking you about manifesting.
Rogan's all up on that magic.
I was fucking dying laughing.
I was like, oh my god.
He was so good at jumping on silly shit that you were saying.
ari shaffir
He had to pick out what you are.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you wearing?
No, seriously.
What in the fuck are you wearing?
And then he would just go hard.
He would just go hard.
ari shaffir
You just gotta accept that it's a joke or you'll get mad.
joe rogan
You gotta love it.
Diaz has his own version of that.
ari shaffir
What the fuck you doing cocksucker with that thing?
joe rogan
I told you one time Diaz was mocking me because I had a notebook.
unidentified
He goes, what are you doing with that fucking notebook?
joe rogan
Letting everybody know you're writing.
ari shaffir
Billy Hemingway over here.
joe rogan
You know, that's those fucking things people don't write.
You want to let everybody know you're right.
Get the fuck out of here with the notebook.
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here with the notebook.
ari shaffir
I love when you can see things clear like that.
Taylor has this theory that I love.
Anytime you hear somebody say they're going to start writing or they're going to start working out, that's someone who's telling you they are not working out or are not writing.
What do you mean?
You can tell me, I've been working out.
That's a whole separate thing.
I hear a lot more people say they're about to start doing something than people that are doing something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I started using this program for my last special, and I want to tell you about it.
Scrivener?
Have you fucked with it?
ari shaffir
Did I show it to you?
joe rogan
Did I show how it's set up?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Dude.
It's a game-changer.
It's making me organize stuff in a totally different way.
It's nice to have like a little column to the left where I put all subject matter and then to the right each one of those will click and it'll show you all the shit you've written on that subject matter.
So you could move it around like you could you know you could put your your set in order.
With something like that.
That is, you know...
ari shaffir
I'm trying to...
I need that for this hour.
I'm doing this hour.
I'm trying to do all Jew stuff.
joe rogan
Oh!
You're going to do the...
Thinking about the demons in the other dimension?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Nice.
ari shaffir
I'm closing with that.
Back and forth.
But, um...
Yeah, but then I have to be real conscious of, like, how many, like, stories about Jew holidays am I giving?
How many, like, customs am I giving?
How much am I showing that I have expertise on this?
Like, I have to keep reiterating, you know, every, like, 15 minutes or so, like, show something.
They're like, no, no, you should believe me, because I'm, you know, put it back in there.
Not saying it once up top doesn't do it.
You have to, like, do a story about me and yeshiva in Israel.
So it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's right, this guy has expertise.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But you have the deepest.
You fucking went to Israel and you were studying how many hours a day?
ari shaffir
Like 14 maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were literally the Asian equivalent of the top 1% that gets into Harvard by just studying religious text.
ari shaffir
I know more about this shit than anybody that I know.
Javi Lieberman knows some stuff and Ilan knows a little bit, but like Yeah, I was so deep in that I'm like, and I still have friends that are deep in that we like talk about sometimes and the laws that I just, yeah, when my friends ask me like, what's this custom?
I'm like, and then I see it from a fresh point of view for the first time in 20 years.
I'm like, oh, it's just because it represents this.
I'm like, what?
And I'm like, oh, yeah.
Yeah, just all the stories.
There's a story of Purim, where Esther...
I have to go so far back on all these.
But one of the first feminists in the Talmud, in the Torah itself, was the story of Purim, where Vashti, the queen of the king, not Jewish, was called to say, hey, come in front of my court and show your naked body.
And she refused.
She said, no, I'm not doing that.
It was one of the first feminist characters.
Vashti said no and she was banished and they looked for another princess and it was this Jewish lady that was in hiding about her Judaism forever.
It was weird.
But anyway, Vashti, we always viewed her as this great feminist leader, you know, who could stand up for herself.
And then recently, my Sephardic Jewish friend, who was deep in there too, he pointed out, I was like, no, no, she had herpes.
She had a herpes outbreak.
She didn't want to show her body.
She didn't just suddenly, that wasn't the first time.
unidentified
How did he know that?
ari shaffir
Because he did more research on it.
And he'd read all the commentary, the Rashi and all that stuff on there.
And they break it down, like, legitimately.
So some stuff he didn't really think about.
And other stuff, you're like...
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh.
ari shaffir
There was a story of a rabbi whose students were being killed by a dragon.
And I read this, and I'm like, it's not supposed to be a metaphor.
Nothing in this is supposed to be a metaphor.
It's all supposed to mean something else.
Act as metaphor, but also be real.
So I'm like, what dragon are you talking about that's killing students?
And I showed my rabbi this, and he was like, ugh, alright, this is one metaphor.
It's jerking off.
It's masturbation.
They were dying off at night.
And the rabbi to kill the dragon, oh, this is the best part, the rabbi to kill the dragon hid under one of the students' beds until the dragon attacked.
Yeah, so I was like, what is all this?
And he goes, it's masturbation.
I was like, oh!
Okay!
Now it makes sense to me.
As an adult, this makes sense to me in a normal way.
joe rogan
The only metaphor has to do with that.
That's so insane.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So now, I'm starting to look at all that shit from an adult, removed point of view, with an insider's knowledge of it.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's so fun to do it on stage.
When you can make a crowd who doesn't know anything about Judaism understand it and fucking laugh at it.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I'm really having fun now.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That sounds exciting.
ari shaffir
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I want to see your...
You going up tonight?
ari shaffir
No, I'm flying home tonight.
I will be back July...
In July, I think I'm running a preview show.
joe rogan
I'm glad you're talking about that because we had always talked about that like years and years ago like you should be talking about that on stage.
ari shaffir
I wasn't good enough.
I wasn't good enough.
joe rogan
That's it, right?
ari shaffir
And so then I'm trying to cover all the subjects too.
So it's like it's not it's weird because I'm not just like building an hour and also I'll get inspired by something else homeless Some guy was feeding rats outside my fucking building Literally luring rats into my fucking building That is so insane.
Yeah, so there's bits like that I want to do, but I'm like, this won't go in the hour.
joe rogan
Was it a homeless guy that was doing that?
ari shaffir
No, it was a regular!
It was a fucking New York.
Destroys everyone's humanity.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
And you can't live after a while.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
It's so fucking heartbreaking sometimes.
joe rogan
He's feeding rats?
ari shaffir
Feeding rats!
Not pigeons is bad enough!
There's campaigns all over the city.
Stuff in trash cans.
We need to work together to get rid of rats.
joe rogan
It's impossible.
ari shaffir
You can lower their numbers.
joe rogan
You've seen the Netflix thing, right?
ari shaffir
On rats?
joe rogan
You haven't seen it?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
Oh, you poor bastard.
ari shaffir
Rats in New York?
unidentified
Oh.
ari shaffir
It's the worst part of that city.
joe rogan
Dude, it's insane.
This documentary is insane.
You watch that documentary, you have a whole new understanding of what you're dealing with.
There's like a little tiny army of creatures that live amongst the New Yorkers that outnumber the New Yorkers.
ari shaffir
By a lot.
joe rogan
By a lot.
And they're smart.
And they showed how hard it is to kill them because they send dumb young ones out to eat the poison first and they die and then they avoid it.
ari shaffir
I'm thinking of getting a cat from my backyard.
joe rogan
This is it, dude.
And it follows these exterminators.
Cats are good, dude.
Cats will help a lot.
ari shaffir
I know, but I don't want to take care of a cat.
But they're going to piss all over.
joe rogan
They'll piss everywhere.
ari shaffir
I want to borrow a cat for like a week.
joe rogan
They'll piss all over your yard.
Your yard will smell funky.
But they will kill a lot of these fuckers.
But the thing is, man, you're not going to kill them all.
You're just not.
ari shaffir
Oh, I'll turn this off.
Fuck this.
joe rogan
New York has a giant problem, man.
ari shaffir
Dude, I was walking down the middle of the street, the middle of 12th Avenue, 12th Street.
joe rogan
Look at this.
That was a bot fly that was in one of them.
They all had parasites.
Tell us the story.
You were walking where?
ari shaffir
Down the middle of the street, on the sidewalk, down the middle of the street, after the cellar late one night, like 2.30, 3 in the morning, and this cop pulls up behind me and was like, and I fucking moved over.
He's like, what do you do?
Get on the sidewalk.
It was like early.
I moved to New York.
It's like, there's Rats on the sidewalk.
And I can't because they put the fucking trash out so you have this small space to go in.
And the trash starts to move and rustle.
And it's a fucking rat or more.
And they just dart in front of you.
One hit my foot once.
One hit right in my foot.
I don't text and walk anymore.
I fucking keep my eye on them at all times.
So I'm walking in the street and I fucking yelled this level.
Sorry, I get into it when I talk about stuff.
But I yelled at this level at the cop.
unidentified
I can't!
ari shaffir
There's fucking rats!
And he was like, alright.
And he just fucking let me go in the middle of the street.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Oh, you see them move.
ari shaffir
Something shouldn't move, and then it does.
joe rogan
Dude, that fucking ivy vine by the store?
ari shaffir
Yeah, full of rats!
joe rogan
Full of rats.
ari shaffir
They just start moving.
You feel like you're tripping on shrooms.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's creepy.
That little viney...
That's a creepy-ass vine.
ari shaffir
Anyway, so I have bits like that that I put aside.
I do sometimes, but the rest is like, I gotta cover this hour.
I can cover all the details.
I can't leave anything out.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
You can't leave anything out.
ari shaffir
So it's like, yeah, that shit sounds perfect for how much to build in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We always talked about that stuff, but it's cool now that you've figured out a way.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm a little better.
ari shaffir
I'm a little better as a comic 10 years later.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's also learning how to write things, how to put them in order, how to move stuff around and how to set it up.
When you're talking about something that's that crazy, what do you think of it now?
Now that you know so much about it and you've been whatever you would consider yourself, agnostic or an atheist for so long, what do you think it originally was?
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
What started all those religious writings and teachings?
What do you think they were?
Do you think they were just trying to teach people?
Like the Torah, the Talmud?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was a way to get your group going, and then you make laws on how to live inside your group.
So it's just a section of laws, really.
But how did they agree?
This is how we're going to be.
joe rogan
How did they agree on certain stories?
ari shaffir
Well, your tribe agreed that this...
So Baha'i is really interesting because they take this, I don't know if I ever told you this, the Baha'i faith, they take the similarities between all religions, like do not kill is almost in all of them.
So they go, that must be a truth trait from God.
And then the churches sort of disseminated and made them weird.
Yeah, the churches, like you molded those towards your own population.
So like Christians, the fucking, some of the weakest ones, so they can't eat meat the whole Lent.
And they go, well, we don't like that.
And they go, fuck it, fuck it.
How about just no meet on Friday?
And they go, all right, we'll accept that for a while.
And these fucking weak-ass non-religious people, and they go, well, that's true.
How about I just give up something?
And the church is like, well, either we're going to lose you or we'll give in.
Some of them, there's no give.
They're just like, this is the rule.
You're out there and you're out.
joe rogan
Yeah, like some of them changed holidays and stuff.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but you do it to control your own population with laws to help you.
I mean, don't kill helps you live as a society, so you can be okay with each other.
So Baha'i takes the similarity between all of them, like don't kill, the story of the flood, that's a real similar thing to lots of religions, so that must be a real thing that happened.
And then the don't eat pig is like, nah, that's just a Jew thing.
Don't worry about that.
joe rogan
I think that's a trichinosis thing.
ari shaffir
That's not the...
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, I think that's what the origin...
ari shaffir
Oh, right, right, right.
Maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that...
ari shaffir
Because people are dying from it.
joe rogan
And then also the shellfish thing because of Red Tide.
They didn't know when to accurately predict.
You know, certain times of the year, shellfish are absolutely toxic.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's called Red Tide.
Yeah.
I don't know when it is.
I've always wanted to know when it is.
But you can't get, like, clams and mussels from certain beaches during certain times of the year.
You can't, because it's toxic.
ari shaffir
Oh, so in humanity, that's why I could have started, for sure.
unidentified
For sure.
ari shaffir
And the rabbis would tell me the reason we don't eat pig is because God said.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
And that's the end of it.
joe rogan
Well, I think that they probably ate it and probably tried to eat it raw and people got deathly ill and children died.
You know, that's what I think, you know, whenever.
ari shaffir
And like, don't after many generations say don't.
It's like, why?
It's like our God, you know, the sun God says no.
joe rogan
Red tide is a phenomenon caused by algal blooms during which algae becomes so numerous that they discolor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They release toxins that may cause illnesses in humans or other animals.
Huh.
So this is, for whatever it is, Google red tide shellfish.
I'm just trying to figure out why you're not.
Is it red tide shellfish here?
I think they might be talking about a slightly different thing.
Nope, it's the same stuff.
So consumption of shellfish that are contaminated by the toxins can cause neurotoxic shellfish poisoning.
Ugh.
NSP symptoms usually appear when a couple of hours of eating contaminated shellfish and they last for a few days.
So that is Red Tide.
So most likely something like that...
ari shaffir
Yeah, I could see that.
I could see that for sure.
joe rogan
...was the reason why they told them to not eat shellfish.
And trichinosis is really common in pigs because they eat everything.
They eat rats.
Pigs eat everything they can.
They eat ground-nesting birds.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I can for sure see that's why.
That's why it started up.
And obviously, like, the don't fuck your neighbor's wife.
That's a good move.
Yeah, it's like, we'll all be fighting.
God says don't do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, God says stop fucking everybody.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some of them that are real universals, right?
They travel from every religion.
It's like people figured out rules that you should operate by to have a harmonious existence with your neighbors.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But then other ones are just ridiculous.
Now that I'm stepped back and someone will ask me about it, and I'm like, oh, yeah.
I just start laughing about what the purpose was and how it looks from the outside.
joe rogan
We've talked about the one that's in the Old Testament where God sends a bunch of bears down to kill kids because they're making fun of this guy being bald.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Really?
Some of these I don't even know.
That's a crazy thing.
joe rogan
This is one of the best ones ever.
What?
These kids are taunting this guy and calling him bald.
And so God sends these bears.
This guy's doing God's work and God protects his people.
God sends some fucking she bears to eat these kids.
Dude, it's the crazy...
Pull it up so I can...
ari shaffir
That's great.
joe rogan
Here it is.
ari shaffir
Oh, Elisha.
joe rogan
Elisha and the two bears.
Make that a little bigger for my shitty eyes.
ari shaffir
It's from Prophets.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The way it's described is hilarious.
Where is it?
ari shaffir
Go up, you bald head.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is it.
This is what they're saying.
Go up, you bald head, to him.
When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord, all caps.
Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up 42 lads of their number.
And he went, that is fucking insane.
ari shaffir
And you're supposed to read into that?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So now here's the actual thing.
So like, some shit was happening, maybe, maybe a different time, maybe not.
And then fucking bears killed a bunch of these people.
That happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
ari shaffir
And then I just had to read into why.
joe rogan
For sure, definitely people got killed by bears.
But did this really happen?
ari shaffir
They say Jonah lived inside a whale.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And they didn't say miracle on that one.
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
They just said the whale ate him but didn't fucking swallow, and he was just there.
joe rogan
Like the pelican with the fucking duck.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it just was operating from not an understanding of how things work.
Yeah.
Like when they made Star Wars and fucking what's the name was shooting that rudder and it was just open to space because we didn't know yet that like, oh, that'll just kill you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You can't just have open to space.
You need like a barrier there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would be like 250 degrees below zero for that crazy shit, wouldn't it?
ari shaffir
He's just like, it's an open window.
He's firing out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't do that.
ari shaffir
But we didn't know any about it.
It's like, no, that's right.
Yeah, you can live inside a whale.
joe rogan
What must it be like if you're in space and someone breaks the window?
Imagine if you're in some...
Because you know that...
ari shaffir
Remember that alien?
That one alien movie?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
With the bullet hole and it got sucked slowly out.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it got dragged out.
That was pretty badass.
But what's his face?
Bezos is going to offer flights to space.
Do you know that, right?
Like in 2019?
That's a good question.
I saw an article about it like two days ago.
How much would you be willing to pay?
Would you be willing to pay 10 grand?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
10 grand?
ari shaffir
20?
joe rogan
20 grand?
ari shaffir
The first number that came to mind was 50, but that's a lot.
joe rogan
50 is a lot.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But for the experience, it might be worth 50. It better be good though.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it can't just be get up then go back.
No, you're right.
What if it's fucking lame?
joe rogan
You gotta take 10. 10. Number one flat earth conspiracist.
He should be the first one to go.
ari shaffir
For sure.
You gotta tell everybody, man.
You gotta be willing to tell everybody what you see.
joe rogan
Tell everybody.
ari shaffir
It's a ball.
It's a ball.
joe rogan
There is no rocket.
unidentified
It is all CGI. Everything is artificial.
joe rogan
It's been proven.
We live in a hologram.
ari shaffir
Hey, what questions do you want to ask me about Anthony Bourdain?
joe rogan
Well, I wanted to talk to you about suicidal thoughts, because you are, out of the people that didn't kill themselves, I'm friends with, you are the one who knows the most about it, and you've experienced depression.
I wasn't close with Anthony Bourdain, but I really liked him a lot.
ari shaffir
You know him, you met him.
I met him with you once.
joe rogan
Yeah, and when I hung out with him, I really enjoyed it.
I did a show...
We did an episode of his show in Montana.
We went camping together.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Got fucked up by a campfire.
Yeah, it was great.
We had a great old time.
It was really fun.
But I was stunned when that happened.
And, I mean, I just wanted to know, like, when you were at your worst, when you were having, like, really shitty feelings, like, what could have been anything that someone could have done that could have helped you?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
I think about this, too.
I lost a friend to suicide.
It was like, Yeah, you want to stop and go like, what else should I do?
joe rogan
What could you have done, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you helped.
ari shaffir
You got me into a therapist that I couldn't afford.
I mean, I've told you this before.
I probably, on here.
That was like a physical thing you could do.
But just getting me to go to accept like...
That maybe it'll work.
joe rogan
Well, I knew when I was talking to you that it's a hard thing for you to talk about.
So if you're bringing it up, it's a real, real issue.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're stoic.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't complain about things.
ari shaffir
I don't like bothering people with my negative stuff, just positive.
joe rogan
You don't.
I remember we were playing pool, and I was like, what's the matter?
Like, there's something going on.
ari shaffir
You could sense it, right, after a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like, you just seem, like, just unhappy, or...
And so once we got into that psychiatrist, and then, dude, you popped out of that thing like a fucking spring, and you went...
ari shaffir
You got me on the right pills.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you went running.
Like, anybody who thinks that pills are all bad...
I don't think anything's all anything.
ari shaffir
That's a black and white problem, where there are people like, I talked to Benji once, he was like, they're over-prescribing pills, I'm like, they work for me, and he's like, well, I probably didn't.
I'm like, no, no, no, just because you think they're over-prescribing doesn't mean they should never prescribe.
joe rogan
Right.
There's stuff that works, and sometimes it works enough for you to just change your way of looking at the world and change your reality, and then you eventually weaned yourself off of them, which is really interesting.
ari shaffir
Well, it's a sprain of the brain muscle, is what's happened.
It's not like a physical pull like that, but that's really what it is, just a sprain.
So until you get off it, until you get on a cast of some way, it's going to be real hard for it to heal.
So far, this metaphor works.
joe rogan
No, that doesn't work.
ari shaffir
I'll tell you if I stop.
joe rogan
Well, I think it works in the most effective cases, like yours, of medication.
ari shaffir
So these pills act as a cast, and then at some point, you're healed, and you don't need them anymore.
But the problem is the only way to really know is if you just get off it and run on it.
And then you're like, oh fuck, I'm still hurt.
And during that get off and run on it time is when your suicidal thoughts shoot up if they were going to.
So when they do wean you off, they're like, you need to keep up with me.
Like any thought you get, you need to call me immediately.
We'll get you right back on.
joe rogan
What was interesting with you is your weaning off coincided with huge success in your career.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I got off them.
I know where I got off them.
It was my second apartment in New York.
So this was three and a half years ago, four years ago, maybe around there.
joe rogan
So this is not happening.
It's already on Comedy Central?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Things are going great.
ari shaffir
Things are going good.
joe rogan
Your tour is kicking ass.
Everything's great.
ari shaffir
I released my first hour and then my second hour.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you were a legit success.
ari shaffir
Yeah, everything I dreamed of was getting.
joe rogan
You were on billboards.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but beyond that, I mean, more importantly, I was a working comic.
I was like, oh, I can make a real living at this now for the first time.
So that was like the best part.
Yeah.
And that hadn't been going on very long.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, it was a hard...
It's a fucking...
People don't know.
People don't know it's a fucking crazy struggle.
The struggle from open-miker to successful working comedian.
And everybody's different.
Everybody's got their own weirdness that they have to overcome.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's a long-ass bloody struggle.
ari shaffir
By the way, that's why I hate this infighting and comedy.
joe rogan
It's terrible.
ari shaffir
When it's like, you're doing this wrong.
It's like, guys, we're all up against the most monumental odds.
So you write safe show jokes, and this guy writes dick jokes.
It's like, whatever, that's just like predispositions.
But it's hard.
We're all in the same boat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Anyway, yeah.
joe rogan
I agree, man.
And that didn't...
It's very rarely been the case in the history of comedy that everybody kind of got along and just accepted the fact that everybody does things differently.
Don't make a big deal out of it.
We don't have to have factions inside of our one group.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's okay if you want to have a safe space show.
I get it.
People don't want to hear shit like that.
It's okay.
Do whatever you want.
Have your Black Knight.
That's fine, too.
unidentified
Have everything.
joe rogan
Everyone's defensive.
Everyone wants to hold their ground and stand up for their position on things.
It's like, okay.
You're going to be fine.
Everyone's going to be fine.
ari shaffir
It's the best time to be a comic right now.
joe rogan
It's the best time ever.
ari shaffir
It really is.
joe rogan
Just kick ass.
Just keep writing.
Just go out there and do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and then it got better, but a lot of that was the focus I was able to get because of these.
It was...
unidentified
No, no.
ari shaffir
Not Welbutin.
I tried Welbutin.
The problem is some of these pills, like, the side effects are not worth it.
So what I tell people, someone had a problem once with anxiety.
Yusuf, I don't care about this shit.
It's Nick Yusuf.
And he's right now planning on bombing an embassy.
And it was like he didn't want to go on it because he was afraid it would make him like a zombie.
And I'm like, okay, if it does, just go back off it.
You don't have to commit forever.
You know what I mean?
Just see what the effects are.
So on, I think, Will Bruchin, I couldn't come.
It was frustrating.
And I wouldn't even say it was any sort of psychopromatic thing because I didn't know about that as a side effect until that was happening with my girlfriend at the time.
And I was like, what the fuck?
It was like three times in a row.
It just couldn't come.
And then she was like, oh, maybe it's those pills.
I'm like, why?
Really?
And then I looked.
I'm like, oh, yeah.
Fucking annoying.
It's an annoying thing.
joe rogan
That's super annoying.
ari shaffir
There was this one called Remeron.
joe rogan
Think about how many circuits there are.
ari shaffir
So much in there.
joe rogan
So much in there.
Think of something that gets in there and fixes this.
I'm like, I'm going to take that away, that cum thing.
It's like you edit your own computer code.
By taking those, it's almost like you edit your own...
Remember when you have a PC, you can get into DOS? Defract, do shit.
That's almost like what you're doing.
ari shaffir
So the side effect on Remeron, and these side effects don't hit everybody the same.
And what you're looking to fill in isn't all the same.
So don't just get what somebody else gets.
You've got to talk to a therapist.
But Remeron gave me hyperphagia, which is the inability to feel full.
So they said, expect to gain 15% of your body weight.
And I could eat, dude, if I got high, I could eat like eight plates of spaghetti.
I mean, I would eat out my whole apartment.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
ari shaffir
Everything.
It got to the point where I was like, well, I got one bagel left, some peanut butter, and a little bit of Cheerios, and fucking let's do this.
It was glorious, but it wasn't helping me.
That was a problem.
That was a side effect because I was thin then.
I could have dealt with, I could be 15 pounds overweight instead of 10 pounds underweight, but it didn't help me mentally.
That makes sense.
And then I finally got on one dishypermine that was like, it worked.
I was like, boom, I'm out.
I get it.
I'm free now a little bit.
But low blood pressure.
So sometimes I stayed up, I gotta hold on to something.
And like, it's not fucking faint.
But it barely ever happens.
Totally worth it.
And that still happens now when I get high.
joe rogan
Do you get dizzy?
ari shaffir
Lightheaded.
Yeah, I stand up and I'm like, oh, hold on.
joe rogan
You've got to get real high for that to happen, right?
ari shaffir
Or early or something like that.
Or if I'm getting sick, that'll happen.
But I used to get that in high school, too.
I think I'm already predisposed to it.
But it made it a little worse.
Not a big deal, though.
So I finally found the one that worked for me.
But it's hard.
And if you're not having it, your brain is lying to you.
Or it's giving you a version of reality that's like...
I mean, I saw this last night coming home from the airport, from Burbank Airport, and some lady picked up in an Uber, picked up a guy on the wrong side of the fence.
And she goes, sorry, it's my first time here.
But, like, it's one of those little fences you can just step over almost, you know?
And he's like, well, everyone else is going here.
And she's like, yeah, sorry, it's my first time at the Burbank Airport.
And you can't go to walk 10 seconds to where it's an opening.
And he's lying.
He's like, pop the trunk.
Pop the trunk, please.
And I'm like, oh, you're cranky from flying.
I know what that is.
And so your version of this reality is this is a way worse thing than it really is.
Steve Simone, who never gets upset, would just be like, no big deal.
I'll just come around.
And then it's over.
It's the same thing with talking to Fitzsimmons.
You can just not punch somebody and then forget about it.
But if you're thinking that angrily all the time, it really affects you.
And this shit makes you think the worst of everything.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
It's like...
Yeah, no matter what it is, it's a little worse than it should be.
joe rogan
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and it just gets tiring after a while.
And the suicidal thoughts start happening when you're like, I can't do this anymore.
You know?
joe rogan
Is it?
ari shaffir
It's effort.
It's mental effort.
It's like you've got a rock on you that you're pushing off you at all times.
And you just need the game to be over.
You just need to sleep.
Theo Vaughn used to have a bit about it.
He probably did a special or something by now.
But it was like, You ever want that deep sleep?
That deep sleep.
That's what it is, where you just want to sleep forever.
joe rogan
You just wade down by it all the time.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like, you know how they used to get people to give false confessions by just keeping them awake for like 30 straight hours?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Until they eventually, they don't know how to say no, they're fine, I did it.
And stuff they didn't do.
They weren't anywhere near it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But they're just saying, yes, I murdered somebody, let me sleep.
It's just a version of that.
Where you're just like, you're just so sick of it after a while.
I will tell you that I have read about it and they say the people who talk about suicide are sort of different than the people who are thinking about it quietly.
Thinking quietly is way more often to commit it.
I think they say the people talking about it is a way to seek help.
So what can you do?
The question is what can you do to help people?
joe rogan
Is there anything that anybody could have done?
ari shaffir
No.
It used to make me mad when you told me just get out of bed and do some exercise.
I was like, you don't get it.
You don't get it.
joe rogan
I definitely don't get it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Chandra understood it once.
She was like...
Talking about that, she was like, he doesn't understand.
You can't even go to your fridge.
Like, exercise is not even...
It's just so far from...
Like, no way!
Like, I couldn't even get out of bed.
joe rogan
What do you think was...
You were also taking Propecia then.
Do you think it had anything to do with it?
ari shaffir
It might have, man.
I for sure might have.
I mean, it was right around then.
And I think...
I'm trying to think...
If I was quitting right then on it and switching to the fucking spread...
Come on, stem cell research.
Or what?
But I think it was either on it or getting off it.
For sure, for sure could have had something to do with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so too.
ari shaffir
It was also a live-in girl.
I mean, there was so many things right around that.
So all it takes is a sprain.
So like, here's a weird thing.
Let's say you lost your job and that sends you into depression.
It's not that it's not related to something.
A lot of times it will be related to something.
A mom dies, a dad dies.
But let's say the job situation, because you can change this.
Your dad dies, you'll never get him back.
You know, it feels bad.
And so like, it should feel bad.
You lose your job, you go into depression.
But now you get a better job.
You know what I mean?
Not that you will, but let's just say you did.
The depression remains.
The cause of depression is necessarily gone.
You're doing better than the thing that made you depressed.
joe rogan
But you're still depressed.
ari shaffir
Because that brain is sprained.
joe rogan
Oh.
ari shaffir
So you need a way to fight it.
And pills don't work for everybody, so it's fucking disheartening and getting the right pill.
I had a therapist say, well, I was like, this one pill's not working.
She goes, well, I don't know what to tell you.
And in my head, I was just like, okay, I accept it.
I'll work up the courage eventually and that'll be the end of it.
I was like, well, I'm not gonna fight you on it.
I don't want to fight this in the first place.
It's not gonna work.
Oh, she was the worst.
joe rogan
What was it like to get pulled out of the clouds?
Like when the pills that you took started working?
ari shaffir
At first, it's like you don't trust that it's gone.
It's like right when the hiccups leave, you still feel like you have the hiccups, but like a way longer version of that.
And then what happens weird is you start to miss it because it became so much of your reality and who you were.
That, like, it's this thing that's been pulled away from you.
A part of you is gone.
So it's weird that you, like, miss this horrible way of being.
Because you had to figure out a way to, like, make a positive in this.
And you see this a lot in, like, PC culture.
We start sort of not bragging about your victimization or the things that have happened to you, but, like, it's a way to stand out and be a special.
So then you end up propping the...
The negative up instead of saying, yeah, that was shitty.
You know?
You start almost like bragging about it.
So you start feeling like, well, at least I'm different.
So that can prop you up a little.
At least I'm unique in this thing of like, doesn't seem like anyone else is having these suicidal thoughts.
You know?
It's almost like if you're the only one into a band, you feel better than if everyone else is into that same band.
The album is the album, but you like it more because you're the only one.
You start noticing your own uniqueness.
Maybe it was that, I'm not really sure, but when I was out of it, I was missing it a little bit.
And then followed by a fear that it's gonna come back.
Because regular, okay, that's a terrible word, depression, because it also means just, I'm depressed today.
Clinical depression is different, but overlaps.
You know, it doesn't just go away.
If I'm depressed because I'm cranky, I gotta tell myself, don't be cranky, say five things you're thankful for, you should be out of it.
Get some sunshine, you're fine.
This is like deeper.
So like, then when you do get depressed, like let's just say, I haven't been outside all day, it's been raining for two straight days.
You know, you're just a little like, blue.
You're like, oh fuck, is it back?
You know?
And then when it's gone in a day, you're like, oh my god.
But when it's like two days, it's like, fuck, fuck, fuck.
Don't come back.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but the...
joe rogan
So a bad weather day could set it off a little bit?
ari shaffir
No, that just gives the normal depression that everybody gets.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
I think there really should be two separate terms.
Feeling blue.
joe rogan
Feeling blue.
ari shaffir
Yeah, which you get.
If I haven't been on stage in four days, I feel a little blue.
If I, I don't know, if I haven't got my underwear out all day.
joe rogan
That's why you can't live in Vancouver.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, those people get depressed.
They don't get outside.
In Seattle, they don't get outside.
joe rogan
Well, they get outside where they get rained on.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so it's just like, you're just feeling down.
joe rogan
I remember Duncan and I were filming something up there when we were doing that Bigfoot episode, and we were talking to this guy who was a cop who was the security guy for the set, and he was like, dude, it fucking wears on you.
He was at the end of the rainy season.
It was just starting to get warm again.
ari shaffir
It wears on you.
My first New York winter was this one, and it wasn't so much...
Middle of March, where I was like, whatever.
I could take it.
I took the winter.
It was middle of April, where I'm like, enough already.
unidentified
I put in the three or four months.
joe rogan
You could do what you want, though.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
The thing is, you could do what you want.
You could leave.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I could leave.
I went skiing a lot.
16 days of skiing this year.
joe rogan
There you go.
ari shaffir
Did that around road dates.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy about somewhere like Denver.
It's sunny.
ari shaffir
Sunny.
It's great.
It's great.
It's so much better when it's sunny.
joe rogan
It's cold out, but it's sunny.
Like, if you have to pick warm and cloudy all the time, or cold and sunny, I take cold and sunny all day long.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
All day long.
unidentified
For sure.
ari shaffir
Sunny, sunny.
Yeah, skiing outside in the sun when it's like, oh, it's great.
It's 25 degrees, but it's beautiful.
joe rogan
Even walking around.
Yeah, it's brisk out, but look how pretty the sky is.
Blue sky and fluffy clouds.
ari shaffir
Did you know Anthony Bourdain was depressed?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
I heard with him a little it was a mixture of mixing drugs.
Mixing pills and alcohol or mixing whatever.
joe rogan
I believe he was on some sort of malaria medication.
Which is dangerous.
ari shaffir
Gets some people amnesia.
joe rogan
Gets people violent.
People get violent.
I've seen people on malaria medication while they were drinking.
And I had to hold a guy back from attacking a reporter.
I was at least worried about him attacking a reporter once.
He was a friend of mine.
He was a very kind friend of mine who I don't think would ever in normal life attack a person physically.
And it seemed like he was about to attack someone.
ari shaffir
So it makes you think not even normal.
joe rogan
He was squirrely.
He had to go to Africa.
He had a visit somewhere in Africa and he had to take these pills.
And some of them have violent reactions to people.
You're not supposed to drink on them, first of all.
And he was drinking.
ari shaffir
It's mixing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And, you know, if that's what he was doing and he's mixing that with alcohol, who fucking knows?
ari shaffir
Could have happened with Bourdain where it might not have been long-term depression.
But I know there's studies on people who got a concussion in football practice and then hung themselves that night with no history of it.
But right then, everything...
I mean, it's almost like you're on psychedelics where this new reality is real.
It feels real.
So the question is, is there something you could have done?
I don't know.
I don't know what the right...
I've thought about it.
I don't know what the right thing is because you push away people's help.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
I saw somebody post on Facebook once, where it was like, one of the worst things about depression is everybody going, yeah, I've been through that too.
It's like, now I'm not even unique.
You know?
joe rogan
Give me my props for my individual suffering.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so then it's like, you want to help by somebody saying, yeah, I've been through this, but it's like, it's not even helping them, but like...
joe rogan
And who the fuck knows what they're feeling, right?
That's the other thing about a person's feelings, what they're feeling.
It's very personal.
It's almost impossible to describe.
ari shaffir
Oh, by the way, I had moderate depression.
That's what that therapist said.
What you saw was moderate depression.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ari shaffir
I don't know what severe depression looks like.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ari shaffir
So I don't know, man.
I don't know.
I lost somebody, too, and I don't know if I could have said something.
joe rogan
You know, Anthony liked to drink.
He drank a lot.
And watching him over the last four years, he seemed like he had been living a hard life.
He looked like it on television, too.
He'd been living a hard life.
I mean, he was out there hitting it, traveling from country to country constantly, drinking constantly.
Alcohol is a depressant.
It just is.
If you drink alcohol all the time, you're not going to come out of it with a sunny disposition.
ari shaffir
It is a depressant.
joe rogan
It is a depressant.
I mean, you can definitely do it and pull it off, and we do.
And, you know, occasionally you'll have a couple of drinks, and then the next day you won't.
But if you're doing that all the time...
If you're doing it every day, if you're doing it five days a week...
ari shaffir
A lot of people use that because it's a short-term relief from depression, long-term depressant.
So a lot of people use alcoholism to cover up the depression, and then when they get clean, suddenly all the shit they're supposed to have been dealing with is now still there and not being covered up by alcohol.
joe rogan
Ooh, yeah.
Yeah, there's like a fun that comes with a couple of drinks.
There's a fuck it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, absolutely, it's fun.
joe rogan
Fuck it, let's stop worrying.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it depends how addicted you get.
I wish I could do that with cigarettes when everybody's smoking.
But I'll go right back to a pack.
So do you think like, fuck, what could I have done?
joe rogan
No, because I wasn't close enough to him, and I wasn't there.
If I was there, I would be tortured by it.
If I was there, and I was hanging out with him, and it happened in his hotel room that night, I would have been tortured by it.
With anybody, you know?
It's just such a crazy decision to make.
The decision to just stop living when so many people loved you and you have this crazy life that most people would dream of.
ari shaffir
It's the bravest thing to me.
I can't imagine something.
That's the only thing that held me back is just the lack of courage to be like, just do it.
But stop and think about you.
joe rogan
But stop and think about you.
From not doing that, you've become wildly successful.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and happier.
joe rogan
Yeah, and way happier.
And you're having a great fucking time.
ari shaffir
I'm having a great time, dude.
I am the architect of my own happiness.
And it is fucking, I'm doing it well.
joe rogan
You are, man.
I'm enjoying myself.
You're doing it the way you're supposed to do it.
But you've been doing it like this for several years now.
And I guess it really doesn't matter in the end.
But if you end your own life, you'd have never experienced all this.
ari shaffir
True.
joe rogan
What if you had to go back and do it again?
It's interesting.
You were at like a tipping point, man.
You're at this weird tipping point.
And you just went that way and you're free.
Just took a while.
It was definitely a struggle.
But you were free.
ari shaffir
I find when talking to comics, other comics, because now I feel a little guilty for success around people that are also quite funny who don't have it.
And what I found is that you get this frustrating point right around 8, 9, 10, 12 years of comedy where like Your skills have gotten better, and your monetary career has not gotten better.
So your artistic career is booming, and then you're just not even making a living.
And it's the most frustrating, because I'm finally good.
At open mic level, if I could make a good joke, that's a win on its own.
I made a good joke tonight, this week, or one time this month.
But there, it's like, I'm doing so well on stage, I'm killing.
Why am I... Why am I still working this day job?
Why am I not even ever on TV? Why am I, you know?
And it's real frustrating.
Might have been around that time too.
I was getting frustrated with like, you know, I was less hacky, but also just not succeeding.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting how the internet's changed everything?
ari shaffir
You can support people so much easier.
Before, it was like you had the man show.
You could hire a writer.
And that's it.
That's the only help you could do for someone.
Take a couple people on the road with you.
Now it's like, hey, go watch this guy's show.
Hey, this guy's got a new special.
Hey, check out so-and-so.
Tom Papa's got a new book.
joe rogan
Changes everything.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And it's literally no skin off your back.
It's like, whatever.
joe rogan
Well, it's great.
Actually, it's good.
If Tom Papa asked me to promote something he's doing, I want people to go see him.
It's good.
It's good for me.
I want him to do good because I like listening to him.
I like watching him.
So I want him to make more comedy.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, then you win because I get to see more.
joe rogan
I get to see more comedy.
ari shaffir
Yeah, a good person gets to stay in it.
joe rogan
Not that he needs us, but I... And also, with Tom, when you tell people about someone who's really funny, whether it's you or whoever it is, then they trust you.
They go, oh, I went to see that guy.
He's fucking hilarious.
unidentified
Oh, it's the best.
ari shaffir
It's the best.
joe rogan
They know that you're telling the truth.
Like, if I tell them, hey, Joey Diaz is the funniest guy that's ever lived, and you go see him at the Ice House one night and come out of it, you're bleeding from your internal bruising from laughing...
ari shaffir
I love guaranteeing people on Twitter or whatever.
It's like, you don't know.
I guarantee you will have a great night.
There's someone who's an awesome comic.
There's no, like, well, my friend.
It's like, just, they'll be great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's people that you can do that with, but there was, you know, before it was like, you got on The Tonight Show.
You know, you did a Saturday Night Show.
You got on Letterman.
People talked about you had to build up places.
You had to travel to places all the time so those people would come back.
And every time they came back, you better have some new shit.
ari shaffir
Dude, I really gotta think about it.
When you start seeing that depression of people, what can you do?
joe rogan
What can anybody do?
Is there anything anybody can do?
ari shaffir
It's like just a little bit like being there for you sometimes is like helpful.
Just be like, hey man, you're a good friend.
I know you're going through something, but just know that I like you.
Just like a little bit and don't require anything of them.
But I guess everybody would be different too, but like I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Everybody's on a different trip.
That's the thing.
It's like no one knows what anyone is feeling.
ari shaffir
Telling somebody to get over it is not the way to do it.
That ain't gonna help.
The tough love thing is like...
joe rogan
Doesn't work.
ari shaffir
That works for fucking nothing.
I don't know what it works for, but not that.
joe rogan
It works for lazy people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Get off your ass and start doing something.
I don't even think it works for them.
I think that gets people to move sometimes, but it doesn't change the way they think about what they're doing.
They just get forced into doing it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's like the argument.
Well, it's actually not like that what I was going to say.
But you want them to act, and so they act because of force of your will.
ari shaffir
You're trying to scare them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you inspire someone and say to them, listen, I know you're looking at it this way, but this is why this is going to hurt you by approaching it this way.
You're going to do the same thing, but instead of approaching it the way you're approaching it, stop and just for a shift of perspective, think about it in a positive way.
Like you could do that to people, and sometimes you can actually shift the way they look at something.
Because a lot of times it's the way you're approaching something that's pissing you off about it.
ari shaffir
Right.
And the way to get through sometimes to people is not to tell them this is the way you should do it, but just to paint the picture and let them make their own decision.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
To be like, oh, so you're happy when you run?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Okay.
Is it warm out?
Oh, it is?
Okay.
And then you're less happy when you don't run.
All right.
Well...
Instead of like, you gotta get out there and run.
joe rogan
You know, I have kids.
And in raising kids, one of the things that I learned that works really good is anytime they do anything, I tell them, I fucked up way worse than you.
I don't use the word fucked up.
But I said, whatever you've done, I've messed up way more.
Everybody messes up.
ari shaffir
So don't get defensive about it.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
This is a part of being a kid.
And I'm super proud of you for admitting that you made a mistake or that you did this.
This is great because this is how you learn.
You're not supposed to know everything.
You're eight years old or you're ten years old.
You're supposed to be learning about life and people are supposed to be talking to you about various things you encounter.
You're not supposed to already know everything.
You're a little kid.
This is great.
So we learn something that we don't want to do anymore.
This is great.
This is an awesome opportunity.
And I wish somebody talked to me like that, and I'll tell them that, too.
I go, because I get called stupid and yelled at or whatever the fuck it was when I did something.
That's how people talked to kids back then.
It's not even anybody's fault.
Someone does something dumb in the 1960s or something like that, they threw things at them.
My parents would tell me about things flying across the room at them.
You know, like people, they just fucking, the kids were animals back then too.
unidentified
You know, people were different.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
So it might be that.
Like something helped me, I don't know if people are listening or they're going through it or whatever, but like some things that have helped that I was able to take was, I had one therapist who said one good thing where he's like, imagine the good things out of the depression.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Instead of looking at it as only negative, what's it helped you with?
And then I was like, well, I'll try that.
And I was like, I'm looking at my stand-up material more realistically and darker, and that's actually helpful on stage.
And he's like, all right, cool.
That's one good thing out of this.
And then it just like sort of, it might just help you like, it's not all bad.
joe rogan
Adjust the way you approach it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Another thing was say five things, and just in the shower, whenever you do shower, say five things out loud that you're thankful for.
Doesn't have to be monumental stuff.
Just like, it's 75 today.
That's good.
I got a new bar of soap.
That's cool.
My friend John.
You know, whatever.
I like him.
That's cool.
I'm glad I have that in my life.
Just five things.
Just say it out loud.
And then after a while, something that ended up affecting my mood.
You know?
Because that was the problem, was the focus.
I don't know if I ever told you this.
joe rogan
Focus on negative things.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so it'd be like a 75 degree day.
This is the example I use a lot.
75 degrees and sunny.
It's fucking every day in LA. You know?
And I would be like, instead of going like, this is fucking rad.
It's February 12th and I'm fucking in shorts.
This is great.
Instead of focusing on that, I would focus on like, fuck, my car has no gas.
I gotta fucking go get gas.
I hate having to fucking get gas.
You gotta pull over.
And so then I'm only focusing on this fucking one minute chore that I have to do instead of on all the good stuff.
And so you just focus, it just makes you focus on this negative and you just like can't pull out of it.
So anything you can do to like shift the focus to the positive is helpful.
joe rogan
Do you know who Tony V is?
A stand-up comic from Boston?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
ari shaffir
I've heard of him.
joe rogan
Very funny guy.
Said something to me once about he was driving from New York to Boston back and forth like multiple times in a week.
ari shaffir
Damn.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I go, dude, that's long.
That's a long-ass drive.
And he goes, yeah, but I just go zen and I just tell myself this is what I'm doing right now.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And I just do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I thought about that and I go, yeah, why don't you just do that?
Just say this is what I'm doing right now instead of like going, fuck, I can't believe I gotta drive this thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So fucking long.
What if I fall asleep?
ari shaffir
How do you make yourself think about it positively?
joe rogan
Fucking hard.
ari shaffir
Somebody, when I told all my Normcore people about, like, starting doing commercials, and then they're like, how does it work?
And I'm like, you know, you have an agent, give him 10%.
Like, well, he doesn't go to the auditions.
Don't you hate giving him 10%?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And you probably got this, too, from people.
And you're like, no, I'm not even thinking like that.
It's like, I wouldn't get the auditions without him.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
10% is nothing compared to what he does.
joe rogan
You want a bunch of people.
There's people who don't understand.
ari shaffir
So it's like, don't focus on that negative shit.
Focus on the 90%.
Tony V sounds like he was not even thinking, like, oh, this is such a sucky thing.
joe rogan
Well, he just had a great way of approaching it.
This is what I'm doing right now.
So this is what I'm doing.
ari shaffir
If you can emulate those people, it's hard to.
If you can emulate them, then it'll help you move the needle a little bit.
So maybe that one day you're like, fuck it.
The boulder's too hard today.
Maybe if you've got one nicer thing, then you're like, I can withstand it.
If that was the day you were going to commit suicide, maybe it'll just last you through.
joe rogan
There's a culture of attacking and trying to destroy people today that didn't exist before.
ari shaffir
That can affect your mood.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think we're seeing that with people in the news.
The thing about that lady and the little kid, the little eight-year-old just calling the cops on him.
The thing that bummed me out the most is that they didn't accept her apology.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like, come on, come on.
joe rogan
That's the thing that bummed me off the most.
What she did was gross, for sure.
But we want people to just suffer forever.
Like, the pain that lady must have felt from all those thousands of emails and hate tweets she got from ratting out that little kid.
That bitch, she knows what she did.
ari shaffir
You don't have to pile on.
joe rogan
She knows what she did.
ari shaffir
She's got it.
joe rogan
Yeah, she got it.
She got it.
And this is good for everybody.
That's good for everybody.
But you know what else is good for everybody?
Forgiveness.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Forgiveness is good for everybody, too.
unidentified
And if someone asks?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just say, we forgive you.
I get it.
unidentified
You're upset.
ari shaffir
Thank you for owning up to it.
I appreciate it.
You know you were wrong, so no big deal.
joe rogan
She fucked up.
And she probably didn't know she fucked up.
And she probably was hormonal.
And she's probably not thinking so good.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What happened to the ability to be like, all right, you said you're sorry.
joe rogan
It's all bad.
She should have never done that.
And who knows if she would have done it if it was a little white kid.
ari shaffir
And not even to everybody else.
She said it to the people.
Like, hey, one-on-one.
I'm sorry I did that.
That was my bad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you gotta let people learn and grow.
ari shaffir
I don't accept your apology.
Also, it's like, nothing happened to the daughter, right?
She didn't get arrested.
joe rogan
This is a creepy experience for the little kid.
I mean, it really is.
Imagine some...
ari shaffir
Fuck you, I don't accept your apology.
joe rogan
...fucking pro-wrestling-sized white lady...
ari shaffir
Remember that old lady after the court trial and she punched that other lady in the face?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
ari shaffir
That was a good one.
She was like, your daughter didn't.
She's like, fuck y'all.
Boom.
joe rogan
Right in the face.
ari shaffir
You're not going to rub it in right now.
Say you're sorry.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Be a positive winner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, accept an apology of the loser.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Man, it's just people aren't here for that long.
ari shaffir
Ronda Rousey was garbage, too, and that lady was like, hey, I'm sorry, good fight.
She's like, fuck off, get out.
She's talking about my family.
It's like, you're white trash.
joe rogan
Well, she's a super winner.
The problem with those super winners is...
ari shaffir
Take it down a notch.
joe rogan
I'd heard if you lose a game, or if Michael Jordan lose a game of pool to you, he wouldn't talk to you for like two weeks.
ari shaffir
Really?
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Have you heard that?
You've heard shit like that, right?
I heard that he wears crazy giant pants, just in case someone ever wants to play one-on-one, he can pull those fucking pants off.
ari shaffir
He can go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you ever heard that rumor?
ari shaffir
He used to bet with the rest of the team.
joe rogan
He wears giant-ass pants.
jamie vernon
Used to.
joe rogan
Those are pull-away pants.
He's ready to fucking go.
ari shaffir
He is so competitive.
He used to bet with the rest of the team whose bag was going to come out first.
Bet like a hundred bucks or a thousand bucks.
And then pay the fucking, later pay the people at the airport.
Like, hey, when my bag comes, you need to let it come out first.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
ari shaffir
I want to win that fucking bet.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
That's fucked up.
He rigged the system.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a degenerate gambler, or still is.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
With hundreds of millions of dollars, which is a crazy combination.
ari shaffir
That's why they killed his father.
joe rogan
That was the rumor, right?
ari shaffir
A lot of people say that.
joe rogan
That's so scary if that was true.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They didn't steal anything from him, they just killed him.
joe rogan
That is so scary.
ari shaffir
People are like, why don't they kill Jordan then?
Because then they don't get their money.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did they ever catch the guy who killed his dad?
ari shaffir
I don't believe they did.
joe rogan
Did they?
unidentified
You think they did?
jamie vernon
Two guys in jail.
Somebody was contacting me about this at one point.
ari shaffir
The guy from jail?
jamie vernon
No, they've spoken to him in jail about this.
ari shaffir
He was a mafia hitman or you think it was a...
joe rogan
Dude, have you watched Wild Wild Country?
ari shaffir
It's the best.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
ari shaffir
Okay, when you're one or two episodes into that...
joe rogan
I'm four episodes in now.
ari shaffir
Okay, perfect, perfect, perfect.
So you can get this.
How much of you thinks...
Oh, Duncan could start one of these.
joe rogan
A thousand million percent.
ari shaffir
I went through your head.
Right?
It's all peace and happiness and fucking wearing the same shit.
It's so great.
joe rogan
Dude, I was talking...
ari shaffir
I'd be like, these people seem cool.
joe rogan
I was talking to my friend Todd and he was like, dude, I wanted to live like that.
unidentified
I wanted to join up.
ari shaffir
Two episodes in and you're like, yeah, man.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
This place is awesome.
unidentified
I'm in.
I'll wear red.
ari shaffir
I'm in.
joe rogan
I'll wear red.
ari shaffir
It was like the first episode of Sons of Anarchy.
The opposite way.
unidentified
It looks great.
I am in.
ari shaffir
They seem like they're happy.
joe rogan
They are happy.
They're having a good old time.
ari shaffir
The Duplass brothers made that.
joe rogan
Those guys are badass.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's an amazing documentary.
ari shaffir
It's fucking great.
joe rogan
The story is so insane.
While I'm watching, I'm like, how the fuck did I not know about this?
ari shaffir
How did I not know about it?
It was so good that I thought it was a work for a while.
I was like, I think they might be faking this.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
ari shaffir
But then you see Tom Brokaw talking about it, and you're like, alright, I guess it's happened.
joe rogan
I got a friend of mine, and his girlfriend's parents were in that group.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they still follow that guy's teachings.
They still believe in him.
ari shaffir
The Mogwai?
joe rogan
Osho.
Is that his name?
ari shaffir
Osho was his name.
joe rogan
How did he say his name?
ari shaffir
What was his name?
joe rogan
The Mogwai?
ari shaffir
No, it wasn't Mogwai.
That's Gremlins.
joe rogan
There's a picture that I had of him that I put up on my Instagram page of him holding this white guy's head and this guy's like cumming in his pants.
It's one of the freakiest pictures.
Pull this up, Jamie.
ari shaffir
I love it.
He's just been like, you can have money, you can have nice things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He had 22 fucking Rolls Royces.
unidentified
22 rollses!
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look at the guy.
The guy's like, oh, I'm white.
ari shaffir
I'm touching you.
joe rogan
I'm so white.
He's touching both of them at the same time.
Left hand on the dude, right hand on the girl.
He's like transmitting through them, giving them orgasms.
Look at him.
He's like, oh my god.
They believed in it, man.
ari shaffir
And then we're all fucking.
joe rogan
Go ahead and piss.
Have you seen any of this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I think I turned it on and fell asleep.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
How dare you?
You believe that shit?
Dude, it's fucking amazing, man.
I'm on episode four now, and I don't want to give anything away in terms of how it goes down, but it literally keeps ramping up and getting more and more fucking insane.
I'm like what Ari said.
I can't believe I didn't hear about this.
How do we know about Jonestown?
Everybody knows Don't Drink the Kool-Aid.
jamie vernon
Where was this?
joe rogan
This is in Oregon, outside of Antelope, Oregon.
Dude, I can't give too much away, but these people bought a town.
They bought the whole town.
They got a police force.
Dude, they had their own police force.
jamie vernon
What are the odds that something like that is going on now?
joe rogan
It's super low.
It's super low because what this is is they what the government had stepped in and realized that there's some shenanigans going on and they were essentially there was no separation of church and state because the church was the state right they had a government and police force that was run by the church they called it the peace force And the whole cult basically ran the town except for a few diehards who didn't want to give their houses up.
So there were some folks who had been living in Antelope their whole life.
They didn't give their houses up.
And they're telling the story.
ari shaffir
They did not care for it.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing, man.
ari shaffir
Oh, I'm so jealous of you of having not seen the whole thing yet.
jamie vernon
What about that sex cult in New York?
joe rogan
This is another one, right?
This is a different one?
jamie vernon
This is the one with the actress that got in trouble.
So is that a similar type cult thing?
ari shaffir
What is the deal with that actress?
joe rogan
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Did she really recruit people knowing it was a sex cult?
joe rogan
I don't know if that's the same thing.
jamie vernon
Probably not as many people.
joe rogan
I don't know much about this sex cult thing with that actress lady other than...
ari shaffir
That seems like I'm not getting the whole story on that sex cult lady.
joe rogan
They were branding people.
She was branding.
ari shaffir
But she was...
joe rogan
She was a part of it.
ari shaffir
She was recruiting people into...
joe rogan
Allegedly.
This is what they're charging her with.
ari shaffir
I feel like there's more to this story than I can tell.
joe rogan
I don't know, man, but it's weird that people are so susceptible to cults and that we protect people from cults but don't protect people from religions.
ari shaffir
It's the same shit.
joe rogan
The only difference is this one guy is banging all these people and we've got to stop that.
ari shaffir
It boils down to that a lot.
We don't care for the behavior.
joe rogan
There was sex crimes.
There was like teen trafficking and there was illegal things that were done in this particular one.
From what I've read, I don't know too much about it, but then when you go to that Osho guy and It all seemed legal.
It seemed, except for church and state.
See, the thing is, the church started running the police force.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Remember?
And they had these guys walking around with fucking, you know, semi-automatic rifles and high-powered machine guns and shit.
It was very different.
It was like, okay, you've got a military force that's guarding this religious leader.
Yeah.
So they had these police people at the compound, in the hallways, with machine guns.
These guys were playing assassin.
ari shaffir
And they are the police force.
They're not private.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
What's it called?
unidentified
Group.
Exactly.
joe rogan
I don't want to give any more away.
unidentified
I just want everybody to watch it.
joe rogan
And by the way, everything I've said is not going to take anything away from it.
ari shaffir
Watch it with your girlfriend or your boyfriend or your wife or whatever.
joe rogan
Watch it with your neighbor.
ari shaffir
Watch it with somebody together.
Let's just find somebody and be like, let's watch it.
One episode every two days.
Let's talk about it.
Oh, it's so fun.
joe rogan
I think an independent version of that is in little blips what goes on with Burning Man.
Like this independent little blip of escape of norms of regular society.
And these people get there.
They wear fucking gas masks and fuck each other and go crazy and do cartwheels in the dirt.
And they hang out together for days on end.
Having a great time.
And they realize that people, at least in small bursts, can establish these communities, set up all this temporary art, have a great time.
And everybody's really like-minded in a lot of ways, hanging out in this one place.
Well, if that's...
If people want that, the only difference between that and like a full-time community is that you would have to figure out a way To get everybody to get along forever.
It could just be a few days.
You'd have to raise kids together, get your food together.
ari shaffir
Get the food, have all the jobs you have.
Kibbutz is similar to that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you try to do that today, they would stop you.
Or at least it would become a real issue.
Say if you decided, you and Duncan got together, and you two decided to buy 700 acres in Oregon.
And you found some place you could all afford.
You did a Kickstarter.
And you guys set up a community out there.
You grew your own food.
You had your own well.
Sounds like a dream.
Nobody could be married.
And you could fuck anybody you want.
This is how we live in.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
That's how we live in.
And then you just, like, real loosely based rules.
Hey, when you eat something, clean up your mess.
Giant mess halls filled with people.
People have these houses all over this fucking ranch.
And you basically established a village.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You just can't go too far.
You go too far when you start getting money from them.
ari shaffir
How would you deal with it when someone breaks the real law?
Like there's a rape or a murder, you'd have to be like, now we need to call in real cops.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to call the real cops.
The only way to keep it on the...
ari shaffir
So do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to keep it legit.
You'd have to still be under the jurisdiction.
You'd have to make friends with the local sheriffs.
That's what you'd have to do.
ari shaffir
We don't mean any harm, but when we need you, when something happens, we'll call you.
Otherwise, we're not going to need you much.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're just up here banging each other.
Holla.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Just banging each other like crazy.
joe rogan
It's getting fucking wild up here, son.
That's what we do.
It's legal, right?
It's still legal to fuck in America if I pay taxes?
ari shaffir
Yeah, so my best buddy's wife can suck on my ball while I'm ass-fucking him?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what they like.
They're into that.
She likes to suck ball right next to the booty hole.
I think you would run into problems.
People would decide that you shouldn't be living like that.
ari shaffir
People would get angry.
People do that with everything.
It's with everything.
You're not living the way I live, so I'm not going to let anyone be into your shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's always like one dude, right?
That's running things and fucking everybody.
ari shaffir
Oh, and one of those, yeah.
joe rogan
Like these compounds and sex cults.
There's always like a main guy who fucks everybody.
Fucks everybody's wife.
ari shaffir
He's like, fuck everybody you want, but you probably want to fuck me because I'm the main dude.
joe rogan
The only way to do it, honestly, is to do it Burning Man style.
This is my point, is that Burning Man style would be no leader.
ari shaffir
No leader.
joe rogan
Yeah, no leader.
So like-minded people, no leader.
The problem is charismatic people could co-opt that.
You'd have these meetings, one person takes over, like, what we need here is some organization.
Next thing you know, he's the king.
That's how people do.
We're monkeys.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
If we could avoid that, though.
ari shaffir
You crave leadership.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
We'd have to somehow or another find a way to not manipulate the way people perceive laws.
The kibbutzes are pretty close.
Are they?
ari shaffir
Yeah, they're not those sex cults, but they are like, everyone has a job, we're all working for, nobody makes money here, everybody makes 20 bucks a week, whatever it is, you know, room and board is paid for.
joe rogan
And that makes people feel really good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You're all doing an equal part.
One guy could be running the accounting for the thing.
One guy could be taking eggs.
One person takes care of the nursery of the kids.
But everyone joins in.
joe rogan
Do you ever see that Werner Herzog movie, Life in the Taiga?
I think it's either called Happiness or Happy.
ari shaffir
Happiness was a Todd Solons movie that was fucking great.
joe rogan
That was a crazy fucking movie.
unidentified
Two or three movies that were like the best.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was crazy.
joe rogan
I think it's just called Happy.
Life in the Taiga.
And it's about these people that live in Siberia.
They're like trappers and shit.
Happy people.
They're like the happiest people on earth.
They're all like having a great time laughing and this is just how they live all the time.
And all they do is go fishing and hunting and trapping.
ari shaffir
Simple life.
joe rogan
But they all get together and drink in these villages.
They have fucking dog sleds that are pulling them down the road and they're driving around on jet skis.
And this is how they live.
Like they live in the fucking tundra, dude.
It's madness out there.
They raise these dogs.
ari shaffir
Wild legs, man.
They were the...
They were the happiest in that show.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Right?
There's a lesson in there.
ari shaffir
You know, I went to that cave where Ygritte fucked Jon Snow.
joe rogan
Did you?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You can't swim in it anymore because it's a fissure that broke.
Did you think about jacking off in it?
I thought about jacking off and there was people around.
joe rogan
That would be a thing to do.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to get arrested for something, that's a thing to do.
You're like, hey, I'm a fan.
ari shaffir
I'm a fan?
I'm a loud...
joe rogan
I'm a real fan.
I'm a real fan.
ari shaffir
I've read the books.
joe rogan
I know where I'm supposed to come.
That's it.
ari shaffir
Ygritte, Ygritte.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
You just get Osho to touch your head.
ari shaffir
Hey, you know what I was thinking when I was in the bathroom?
unidentified
What is that cave?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
What is that cave?
That's some waterfalls.
ari shaffir
That's just some cave.
joe rogan
He's just showing us pretty images.
It's in Iceland.
Jamie's high as fuck over there.
ari shaffir
Just showing us pretty pictures.
joe rogan
Um, what are you gonna say?
ari shaffir
How did you guys feel when I was going through all that?
Like, what was the effect on you guys?
joe rogan
I was very nervous.
ari shaffir
Yeah?
joe rogan
I was very nervous about you.
Um, uh, cause I don't, um, I didn't know what to do.
And I knew I could do, I knew I could help you.
Financially.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I knew I could do that, so I did that immediately.
But I didn't know what to do.
I didn't know what it feels like, and I didn't know what would be the path to take.
But when you offered that you were having problems with your psychiatrist and the medication, and I said, okay, well, let me get a hold of Matt, who I know will know the right people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think you were like, why don't you see someone?
I'm like, I see people.
They don't tell me anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were...
ari shaffir
I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
It was like, you were such a...
Non-complainer that I knew when some- I always tell people this story.
We're playing pool and Ari's limping around the table.
I'm like, what the fuck happened to your leg, man?
Fucking spider bite or something.
I go, what?
Let me see your fucking leg.
And he pulls his pants up.
I go, dude, you got to go to the hospital right now.
You have a very bad staph infection and this could fucking kill you.
And you're like, come on, you're joking.
I'm like, I start unscrewing my cue.
I'm like, we're going to the hospital now.
It was so bad.
But the fact that you're so stoic, you never complained once while you have this gigantic pus-filled sack on your knee.
ari shaffir
It was horrible, man.
jamie vernon
Someone posted the Jewclam video, and he was like, do you know that's there?
And he's like, ah, it's bugging you, not me.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
So when you were when you were telling me that you were doing bad and it wasn't you weren't feeling good and you were you were telling me you were suicidal I was like okay stop we gotta now this is we're gonna figure this out you know I don't know what to do yeah we're gonna figure this out made me nervous because I was nervous that I wasn't gonna be there when you needed me to be there and you know and you I would just I would just get the call just get the call yeah I mean,
as a friend, that's the last thing you want to do is have some situation where you feel like maybe you could have called them, and you could have made them feel better, and they would have just gotten over that hump, and then they would have been okay.
Like, you became okay, man.
I mean, you were my most depressed friend, and now you're probably one of my happiest friends.
ari shaffir
Even after I started seeing that guy, it still took months before finding the right pill and the right dosage, and then he would talk to me every, like, 30 days or whatever it was.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember you describing the process, and one of the things that was disconcerting to me was how random it seemed to be.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Which pills they chose.
That's really random.
ari shaffir
It's like they're guessing.
joe rogan
That's what seemed insane to me.
I felt like if you, like, say, you know, you had an infection, they know which antibiotic works best on that infection, boom, they give it to you.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this one wasn't that cut and dry.
They were just trying stuff out on you.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like, oh, you need ibuprofen, you have an inflamed thing, it'll take it down.
But they know generally.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, this is like, from what I gather, There's two things that could be wrong with you.
You either have too much dopamine, too little dopamine, too much something else, or too little something else.
And so each of these pills, I think they're into two categories or four categories, and they either affect your dopamine or they affect the other thing.
Either limit it or push more in.
So they don't know which one's doing it to you first.
And then once they narrow that down, they gotta decide if it's like getting too much of it or too little.
unidentified
I don't know.
ari shaffir
If your bipolar is a separate thing.
They're just guessing.
And then while you take this shit, you've added the horrible feelings and then added some awful side effect.
And it's like, ah!
joe rogan
This is one of the things that I really wanted to point out when Roseanne was going to come on.
I wanted to really talk about medication and how we're asking this really...
She's an elderly woman who's taking an incredible amount of medication.
She's taking a lot of shit.
She takes Ambien every night, she's drinking, she's smoking pot, and she's on a host of meds.
And these things are all doing battle in her head.
She barely knows what the fuck she's saying some of the times she's saying it.
She's in ambient hazes in and out of it.
She's open about it.
She's like, I need to get them to adjust my meds.
But everybody's just attacking her like she can never recover.
ari shaffir
So you can feel righteous.
But it's weird because Roseanne was at the forefront of putting on homosexuals into mainstream media.
She didn't give a shit.
And suddenly it's like, nah, it's all gone.
From a joke.
And people are like, she wasn't joking.
I'm like, for sure she was joking.
Whether or not you think she should have used those words, and by the way, that lady does look fucking Jewish as shit that she was talking about.
But to say it's not a joke, let me just explain to everybody, as a professional comedian, as an expert in this, when someone says, this person looks like a mixture of this and this, that is joke form.
That's a pure joke.
That's what that is.
You see that over and over again.
You see this person looks like this mixed with this.
This guy has a work ethic of this mixed with this.
That's a joke form.
That's clearly a joke.
To say it's racist, whatever.
But to say it's not a joke, you're being ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's obviously a joke.
It's just you can't say that joke.
unidentified
That's what you're saying.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, it's not a joke because you can't say that joke.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's definitely a joke.
joe rogan
But if she was black, she'd be able to say that joke easy.
Like, if Miss Pat said that joke, instead of Roseanne, everybody would be like, bah, she does look the planet of the age lady.
ari shaffir
They wanted Roseanne anyway from her fucking conservativeness.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, she's also nutty as squirrel shit.
She just is.
And she likes to go on Twitter and talk crazy stuff, and she had apologized to George Soros for calling him a Nazi.
And still continues to tweet.
She's tweeting like crazy.
It's all insane, man.
ari shaffir
If you do a network thing, your friends gotta take away your Twitter and Facebook, all that shit.
Like, hey, you just can't use this.
They're gonna get you on something.
You just can't.
joe rogan
You just can't have it right now.
You got a hundred people working on that set.
Actually, they're gonna switch over to, they're gonna call it some new show now, right?
The Connors.
But by the way, I don't think they should have fired her.
I really don't.
ari shaffir
I don't think so either.
joe rogan
I think you gotta let her apologize and she explains herself and you realize who she is.
And she's not a terrible person.
It's not.
ari shaffir
It's so easy to put somebody as one action.
This is something I read in a biography or conversation with Aung San Suu Kyi, a Myanmar leader that was like house arrest for 20 years, won a Nobel Peace Prize or Nobel Prize for writing.
And she was talking about the Burmese army who tortured her, had killed and arrested forever a lot of her colleagues.
And it was like, look, they're not all bad.
You can't make someone into...
One of their actions.
So she goes, even if you've committed murder, one of the worst things you can do, that is not who you are.
You're just someone who has committed murder.
She goes, now there's a certain point where you've done so much murder that you now are really wholly a murderer.
But that's very rare.
What's much more common is someone who has killed somebody.
They're now no longer that person 20 years later of someone who kills.
And to make someone into one of their actions, it's dehumanizing to all of us.
joe rogan
It is.
And it's also, there's targets where people see someone who is a Roseanne, who's like some sort of cultural icon, and they like to shift it on them and attack them.
They like to go after them.
When there's been some transgression, they've done something, which she did do, it upset people.
So they want to attack in a really unbalanced way.
They want to end it all for her.
There's no way you can ever bounce back from this.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they want to pile on.
They want to kick people while they're down because now's my chance to kick you.
joe rogan
It's a terrible lack of compassion.
It comes from two things, I think.
One, it comes from a jealousy.
There's a natural jealousy that we all have for super successful people.
When they fail, they go, ha-ha.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I knew it.
I knew it.
joe rogan
I knew it, and now I have justification to attack you.
I think there's a little bit of that, and I think there's also...
When people feel like shit, they want other people to feel like shit too.
I think these attacks on people, these rabid attacks, it's not coming from you.
It's not coming from me.
We're not screaming for the death of Roseanne.
And even the people that are legitimately upset.
ari shaffir
Most of the people just go, that's fucking bullshit what you did.
And then the network hears all these people say that's bullshit.
Yes.
joe rogan
I think it's just a symptom of where human beings are today.
I think there's so many human beings that are hurting.
And so when something comes up, it gives them a legitimate reason to be upset.
They just attack it full force.
But what disturbs me is the lack of an overwhelming voice for compassion.
The lack of an overwhelming voice of people saying, hey, look, real racism is awful.
But this lady who probably did Commit real racism by calling the cops on that eight-year-old girl.
She's just a fucked-up person.
Do us all better to just forgive her.
ari shaffir
What happens to, like...
Here's, I think, some mistakes that the left and the right makes when trying to, like, when there's an e-mob, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's, they seek to punish over educate.
They're not looking to make the person change their opinion.
They go, you're ignorant, and then they leave it at that.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
So, probably the thing I got the most flack for in my life was the Amazing Racist videos.
joe rogan
Do you wonder why?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I mean, over and over again, new people find it and say, fuck you, you're racist.
I have maybe gotten three texts, messages.
I mean, I've gotten hundreds and hundreds of death threats.
I've gotten thousands and thousands of angry fuck yous, racist, racista, whatever.
But maybe only three total.
I can really only think of two of people going, hey, just so you know, this is why that hurts me.
Because I was an immigrant here, and then when I see stuff like this, it reinforces the feeling that I'm out there.
Maybe that's it of the thousands and thousands of the other way of fuck you.
So you're not really trying to educate anyone or change their opinion.
You're really just trying to like lash out.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So what is that?
Why are we all like that?
joe rogan
Because we're unhappy and you find a target and you got a free shot.
You ever see a guy go down in the ghetto?
You ever see a fight where a guy goes down in the ghetto and everybody runs in and kicks him in the head?
You ever see any of those?
There's a gang of those on street fight videos.
There's a bunch of street fight videos and some of the craziest ones are in bad neighborhoods where someone gets knocked out and then a bunch of people take free shots on him while he's down and out.
ari shaffir
It's your chance to get a free shot.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of videos like that.
As a person who understands brain trauma, it's severely disturbing.
When I've talked to so many of these neuroscientists about all these blunt force impacts on the brain, you're seeing a guy who's totally unconscious and they walk by and soccer kick him in the head while he's totally unconscious.
Just take turns hitting him full blast in the face and a bunch of people do it.
They stomp him, they kick him.
I mean, he's out cold with his pants down and they are kicking him in the head.
ari shaffir
I don't think people realize the effects that one of those e-rages can have on your psyche.
And I think when people, they see something like the lion guy or the dude who fucking caught the foul ball in the Cubs game or fucking Metzger or anything like that.
joe rogan
Or this lady with the eight-year-old girl.
ari shaffir
It comes at you from everything, everywhere.
And then the zeitgeist moves on.
People kind of move on and think something else.
They're still getting hundreds of stuff a day saying, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
It's still happening.
And so you all move on like something happened.
But everyone who's shit on them a little bit has added to this overwhelming, like this thing you can't get out.
I still think Matt's goes flailing off that shit.
He's still trying to defend himself, all these fucking attackers from fucking five years ago.
Like, three years ago.
But like, you don't just come clean of that.
So all the people adding like, hey, fuck you for killing that lion, like you've added to their fucking...
Break in psychology.
It's not an easy thing to get over and you don't see it all, but it's so much.
I mean, Ren Zizi Stark, I called him and his wife and I'm like, get offline right now.
Ralphie too, when that shit was happening to him, it was like, you need to give this to someone else because it won't do you any good, even if you know you're wrong.
Renizzisi apologized to all of us six years earlier.
Said, hey, fuck, I'm sorry.
I lied.
And we all made fun of him.
That was over.
He doesn't need other people going, fuck you.
You lied.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
ari shaffir
I already told everybody.
I know I was wrong.
You don't need 10,000 people telling you that.
It doesn't do anything for you when you've already said, yes, I agree.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They don't care, though.
They just want to get their licks in.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and it's terrible.
joe rogan
They are the cultural equivalent to this bar fight in the ghetto where the guy's knocked out.
It's nuts.
They also want you to know they're disappointed in you and express their rage at you.
ari shaffir
I'm unfollowing you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
All right, just do it.
Don't fucking tell.
Why are you telling me?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
joe rogan
That's adorable when I let you know.
Unfollow.
Alex Jones was right.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's a nutty time we live in.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is a nutty time.
And it's a time of outrage.
There's outrage sport out there to be had.
And there's, you know, there's legitimate outrage.
ari shaffir
There's a story.
joe rogan
Both things are happening.
ari shaffir
My friend told me about these people in D.C. pulled over on the side of the road.
Decently busy highway.
Maybe Sunset Boulevard type thing.
But not businesses like that.
But a busy, like, let's say three lanes here, three lanes there.
I saw these two kids walking home, a 10-year-old and an 8-year-old, just on their own, just walking.
And this lady pulled over.
She's like, who are you?
Where's your parents?
And they're like, I don't know.
I think they're probably at home.
I'm not sure.
She's like, well, where are you going?
She's like, we're going home.
They're like, where are you coming from?
They're like, we're coming from the playground.
And she was like, no, no, you can't be on your own.
And she called the cops and they got them, you know, picked them up and got them to where they lived.
And the parents were there and like, what's all this?
And they're like, we saw your kids walking alone.
And they're like, yeah, for the park, right?
And they're like, yeah.
They're like, yeah, we taught them how to do that.
And they're like, what do you mean?
Like, we taught them.
We've walked with them from the park enough times and we taught our kids enough to where we trust that they can come home from the park alone.
We've taught them how to do that.
We trust them with it.
And then people are like, oh, I guess so.
And there was a split in the story.
Most people who read it, 90% of the people who read it go, yes, parents should be allowed to trust when their kids are trained enough to do things.
Like driving at 16, that's a parent's decision.
You know?
10% of the people were like, no, I wouldn't do that with my kids.
Let's fuck them.
And those people reached out on Twitter or on Facebook and said, fuck you, you should have your kids taken away from you.
And that 10%, even though 90% said, yeah, parents should be able to teach their kids whatever, that 10% means thousands of people coming at you saying you're a horrible teacher, you're a horrible father.
Imagine that if thousands of people say, fuck you, you're a bad father, you're ruining your kids.
And it kept happening.
It affects you.
And they didn't do anything wrong.
They did something where 90% of people think, yeah, you're on the right here.
And you're still getting all this negativity.
It's damaging as shit.
joe rogan
And nobody ever is prepared for that.
ari shaffir
No one's prepared for it.
No one.
Agencies should be on the ready to help their client fucking deal with this when it happens.
Because it'll happen to almost everybody.
You'll have something that'll get blown out of proportion.
You gotta get offline immediately.
joe rogan
Well, do you think that some of it comes from people have this feeling that anybody who is...
In that sort of a situation where they're clearly wrong, is just an open target?
ari shaffir
Open target.
Fuck them.
I can go off on them.
Look how easy it is to do a Christianity joke now.
Look how hard it was back then.
For Scientology, same thing.
And South Park broke it up, and now you're like, you're not brave for making fun of Scientology now or Christianity.
Everybody's doing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that whole brave for making jokes.
ari shaffir
It's so fucking easy now.
Do that in the 60s.
You have a problem.
joe rogan
Didn't that get exhausting?
Brave for telling jokes.
How about just be funny?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tom Harare had a great joke about that.
ari shaffir
It's already been covered.
joe rogan
He goes, I got a great story.
He goes, how about just a funny one you made up?
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
True story, true story.
Like, I don't need a true story.
How about a good one?
joe rogan
Yeah, he goes, I don't need a true story.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Yeah, wait, what were we just saying?
joe rogan
I forget.
What were we just saying, Jamie?
You forget too.
God damn it.
Fucking marijuana.
It's got its side effects.
ari shaffir
It does have its side effects.
joe rogan
Definitely has issues.
ari shaffir
There's no doubting that.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're talking about e-rage.
Yeah.
Yeah, Metzger's e-rage was pretty rough.
ari shaffir
He hasn't gotten out of that yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, people...
Fuck you, man.
ari shaffir
Fuck you.
joe rogan
I just feel like...
We're stalled out in our cultural evolution in a way that I feel like we're in these movements of change, and I think I see a lot of positive things, but I don't see nearly enough friendliness and compassion.
I think we really need more of that as human beings.
This is not lasting.
You're not going to last.
No one's lasting.
You know?
You're gonna die.
We're all gonna die.
We're here for a certain amount of time.
It's not permanent.
And while you're here, we can make everything better for everybody.
Just being nicer to each other.
Can be done.
ari shaffir
I mean, it's not going to be done, so I think...
joe rogan
But it can be done in little drips.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think what you do is it's got to affect your own life.
Say, I can't change it for everybody.
But what I can do is, every time I read one of these blogs that make me angry, just go, I probably don't have the whole story on this, because that's happened 20 times already.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
ari shaffir
So then it's like, I'm not going to get mad.
You know, I am going to...
I'm sure people are taking care of this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What I'm going to do is go outside and enjoy some freedoms that I have, like a fucking park.
You know, actually enjoy your life instead of letting people fucking take you down this horrible road!
To hurt them!
You're hurting yourself!
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And you're wrong at hurting them!
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Fucking get out there!
joe rogan
Just leave.
ari shaffir
Go call a friend.
Go talk about something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just a strange time for...
Just for expressing anger.
ari shaffir
Fuck you.
You're wrong.
Fuck you.
unidentified
You're wrong.
joe rogan
We never had more of an open forum for debating ideas, but people have never been more dogmatic and aggressive about their opinions, too.
And the left gets violent now.
This is a weird thing that didn't used to happen before.
You saw Nick DiPaolo get punched in the face by some woman at his show.
ari shaffir
He's so self-righteous that you feel like...
joe rogan
She just had to punch him in the face.
He's got a giant black eye.
ari shaffir
It's like, you can't be violent against someone.
And they used to go, well, look who your, let's say it was like a dice type act, and then some of those people were like hardcore KKK people.
Like, look who your fan base is.
And you're like, that's not my fault.
I'm not asking them to be there.
Well, if you want that logic, some of the people following you guys are pretty fucking shitty.
I won't call you on that logic because I'm not a hypocrite, but like, it ain't your fault, but like...
Some of them are getting fucking violent now.
It's crazy.
It's so anti-free speech.
Exchange of information.
joe rogan
It becomes idea wars.
And when it becomes idea wars, they get this anything necessary, by any means necessary mentality.
They let the ends justify the means.
There's fucking professors out there have been quoted saying that they believe in violence when there is no other solution.
Supporting Antifa and Antifa's disruptive violence and to take away oppressors.
This is a big one.
This is one that has been coming up lately more often.
Even the ACLU changed its stance on free speech.
And they're deeming free speech as something that's not hurtful to someone else.
Well, that's not what free speech is.
What is the most recent reading about free speech?
There was something about the ACLU's stance on free speech.
ari shaffir
Well, you can't infringe.
My belief is you can't infringe on the rights of someone else.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
So you can burn a flag if you want, but you can't burn a flag in my apartment.
joe rogan
I think they're shifting.
There's some concern.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
If you go to what harm is, are we just talking about physical harm or monetary and physical?
Or now we talk about slight mental harm.
joe rogan
Well, if it's racism, it's clearly emotional harm, mental harm.
You're damaging someone's psyche if you're dismissing them in a racist way or you're insulting them in a racist way.
unidentified
I think that's one of the things that they were not willing to.
ari shaffir
Here's the problem with saying, okay, so I heard this theory that like- You mean making fun of white people and dismissing white people too.
Yeah, because like, fuck you white guy.
You don't know anything.
It's like, all right, well, you've just put me into a category.
I'm just a human.
I mean, I know you don't like when people do that to you, so I don't know why you're using those methods now.
It doesn't make sense to me.
joe rogan
Well, it's the tide coming in and out, right?
The whites owned slaves for so long and it was so fucking oppressive that now as it's shifted back, there's still economic despair in all black neighborhoods because of racist laws and things haven't bounced out yet.
So you're allowed to go, fuck white people.
So you're allowed to say, fuck white people until it goes this way and this way and then evens out.
ari shaffir
We've got to the point where you're shitting on Christians, and I'm not a Christian.
I don't care for them, especially Catholics.
But we're shitting on them now.
It's like, hey, come on, leave them alone.
Honestly, all they do is take abuse now.
All they're doing is trying to worship their God, and you guys are shitting on them and calling them yokels.
Fucking leave them alone for a minute.
They're down.
They're down.
You got them down.
You're now punching down if you want to shit on a Catholic.
joe rogan
Yeah, unless they're fucking kids.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You'll let them go.
Do whatever you want.
ari shaffir
Wait, wait, what?
Oh, no, right.
What you said.
joe rogan
That is, I mean, that is one of the darkest fucking things that they're accused of.
ari shaffir
Transferring people.
Go rape someone else.
joe rogan
All over the place.
That was the Pope.
The Pope did that.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He was organized.
The guy who talks to God?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's what God told him to say?
joe rogan
He moved somebody who went on to rape a hundred deaf kids.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A hundred.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
You look into that guy's background, Ratzinger, look into, I mean, there's several cases of that.
There's so many, there's documentaries on it.
I think Speak No Evil is one of the documentaries of different priests that were just molesting just scores of kids.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they interview the guys.
They're monsters.
It's so crazy, man.
They were just, that's what they did.
That's what everybody did to them.
That's what they did, and they got away with it forever.
ari shaffir
Every once in a while, someone will point out some Jewish rabbi that has raped a kid or something like that and say, see?
It happens in Judaism, too.
joe rogan
What is this?
ACLU's longstanding commitment to defending speech we hate.
Is this recent?
ari shaffir
Good.
That's what they should be doing.
jamie vernon
This is in response to this...
joe rogan
Oh, so someone's criticism published in the Wall Street Journal is different from those challenges to our work.
Her critique is predicated on a fundamental misrepresentation.
She falsely accuses the ACLU of having secretly changed its policy regarding free speech.
And of launching an investigation to determine who leaked the secret, air quotes, leaked and then quote secret document that she claims revealed this asserted change in policy.
In fact, the ACLU remains fully committed to defending free speech as the document she cites.
ari shaffir
Expressly reaffirms.
joe rogan
Expressly reaffirms.
Hashtag fake news.
So somebody put out some fake news, according to the ACLU. Good.
ari shaffir
I heard somebody say...
joe rogan
It's hard to tell.
ari shaffir
You should not be able to...
It was like, I don't know, fucking something...
And say once there's violence committed because of your organization, you can no longer say you're not a terrorist organization or you can no longer say you have the right to protest when it causes violence.
And then this is on NPR, actually.
And then the host was like, okay, so just so you know, though, and they're a liberal group, not crazy, but like liberal.
And the guy goes, okay, just so you know, then they'll apply that same thing to Black Lives Matter.
And they're like, what do you mean?
Like, well, that guy who killed two cops because of the Black Lives Matter.
If you're going to say the followers decide whether or not it's – then we have to outlaw Black Lives Matter.
And the guy was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, we can't do that.
He's like, all right, well, then you can't say – Charlottesville people don't have a right to say, go home kikes, you're taking our jobs.
They can say it.
It's fine.
They can say it.
It sucks.
They can say it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
All of it.
You've got to say all of it.
You can roll your eyes and say, that guy's an idiot.
That's your right.
You don't stop them from talking because then it keeps going to the point where rap is getting fucking boycotted in America.
You can't put your shit out.
It will always go to a point where it'd be super, super repressive.
Well, if one person who is not doing anything wrong can't speak, you've done something wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could easily compromise a group, too, and turn it into a terrorist organization by infiltrating it, having someone cause violence.
ari shaffir
That's what they did Occupy Wall Street.
joe rogan
Exactly.
ari shaffir
They would send in some undercover cops to start fistfights, and then they'd go home, there's fistfights now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Kids that were hanging around in Occupy were saying that they would run into undercover agents and undercover cops all day.
The guys they knew were undercover.
And they're like, what the fuck?
So they're just like being overwhelmed by people who are lying to them and for the government to keep the peace.
They're like secret covert agents hanging around with these Occupy kids.
Yeah.
One of my favorites is when Peter Schiff, the venture capitalist, banker genius guy.
Have you ever seen Peter Schiff?
He's been on my podcast a few times.
Super wealthy, successful business guy.
And he went down to Occupy Wall Street and he said...
I don't know how to say I'm a multi-millionaire.
Explain to me what I've done wrong or something along those ways.
I forget what his actual thing that he put up.
ari shaffir
That's fun.
That's a fun troll.
joe rogan
Well, it's a great troll because he's a financial genius.
He understands the market's inside and out.
They don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
And he's like, look, I employ hundreds of people.
I have an enormous business.
I make a tremendous amount of capital.
Why should you make the same amount of money as me?
And he just fucking tortures these people.
Because he speaks at fucking 150 miles an hour, and they don't know what they're saying.
And he's just...
It's very comical to watch.
And it just shows you how people go into these things with these idealistic ideas of what they think they're standing for when they don't even have a framework of what they're against, of the policies and the banking and the corporations and capitalism in general.
There's so many people that do, but most people don't.
Most people that are there, they're there for the ride.
ari shaffir
We should fix things.
joe rogan
Fuck the man, man.
We gotta fix things.
So Peter Schiff is the man.
So he gets out there amongst them with a fucking beautiful $5,000 suit on.
Probably cost more than that.
He's probably angry.
And right now, I mean, you can watch these videos on YouTube.
They're hilarious.
ari shaffir
That's great.
joe rogan
I want to talk to him because he set up shop in Puerto Rico right before the hurricanes came and shut all the power off.
He was living in Puerto Rico.
Apparently a lot of people moved to Puerto Rico.
A lot of rich people.
ari shaffir
And now they're like, fuck this.
joe rogan
Yeah, because the taxes there are just like stupid low.
ari shaffir
My friend is...
Lives there?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We went to college together and she's like, the power, like really in the last month or two, just came back on and it's being held on by a band-aid and hurricane season is starting soon, hurricane season.
joe rogan
Oh no.
ari shaffir
It's like, it's just going to happen again.
joe rogan
So how long is the power out for?
ari shaffir
Months and months.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
And they got it back in few places and then it kept going in other places.
People died because of lack of power.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
We ain't doing shit.
joe rogan
But it's, what is, in the eyes of regular people, like most Americans who are busy with their regular lives, Puerto Rico's not a part of us.
ari shaffir
Even though it is?
Yeah, I love when everybody's like, oh, you idiot, Trump, Puerto Rico is part of America.
And I remember reading, they're like, yeah, you idiot, I just found this out right now.
joe rogan
Well, I knew it was, because I used to have a joke about Alaska being a frozen Puerto Rico.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
It's not even attached.
Like, how is that ours?
And how is Hawaii ours?
That fucking place way over there.
ari shaffir
But yeah, if all the power goes out in Alaska, we'd keep helping them, right?
joe rogan
Would we look at it differently?
ari shaffir
But they're just not a state.
They're not a state.
joe rogan
Because Puerto Rico's not a state or because they're Puerto Ricans.
ari shaffir
That is part of it.
They're part of it.
They always want to do this too and that backlash on things.
They want to narrow it down to one possible thing.
And it's like it ain't one possible thing.
You have to keep it up for all of it.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You know?
Yes, perhaps it's because they're not white because they're Latino-ish.
Perhaps it's also mixed in with that.
They're not a full state.
joe rogan
I wish I knew enough about finances to ask the question, is it possible that the reason why these corporations and these rich Jews want to move there and get such a low tax rate that they have to pay is also why they didn't have the money to recover from this infrastructure being down and so that these two might somehow or another be correlated?
Or is it just that the hurricane was so fucking overwhelmingly devastating that it just took forever to fix?
Which one is it?
Because anybody who thinks you don't need government, we have to sit down and talk about how we're going to fix things.
We're going to have to sit down and talk about infrastructure.
unidentified
What does that mean?
joe rogan
No government people are crazy.
Today in Puerto Rico, nine months after Hurricane Maria, 2,669 customers still do not have power.
In many cases, these homes were more than one person lives.
It may be another months before they get it.
We're going to tweet about this until the last customer has power.
And this is David Bengard.
unidentified
B-E-G-N. Bengard.
joe rogan
B-E-G-N. Bengard.
David...
I'll just read his name.
David B-E-G-N-A-U-D. How is that?
ari shaffir
Bagnon.
joe rogan
Is that a French?
jamie vernon
French.
joe rogan
Oh, L from Louisiana.
ari shaffir
David Bagnon.
joe rogan
That's fucking crazy.
jamie vernon
Two days ago he tweeted.
joe rogan
Nine months after the hurricane and the hurricanes are coming again.
ari shaffir
And they're coming.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ari shaffir
They're fucked.
joe rogan
Didn't that rich dude, Branson, didn't he buy an island that got completely decimated?
ari shaffir
I think so.
joe rogan
I think the whole island got wiped off the face of the map.
I think for the first time in like 300 years, no human beings live on that island.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
Dude.
What the fuck?
Can you imagine living in a place where the sky becomes an angry monster and just rips houses apart?
ari shaffir
You should have seen some of these fucking torrential rains in East Timor and shit like that, where it's going and like, oh, drop, drop, get the cover now!
And if you don't get the cover, in a minute, your underwear is soaked.
And it is through you.
All your stuff is ruined.
And then it passes in like 30 minutes.
joe rogan
Do you remember when we were in Miami?
Were you with me when Eddie Bravo was doing a seminar?
We drove down from West Palm Beach to Miami and we had a stop on the highway.
ari shaffir
It's too much.
joe rogan
There was so much rain, all cars stopped on the highway.
It was a white wall.
It was fucking crazy.
And all I could think of is I hope no asshole tries to drive through this.
ari shaffir
60 is the speed limit.
joe rogan
I can go 60. Just fucking go.
Just fucking go.
I'm on coke.
That was insane.
We had to stay put and there was a wall of water around us everywhere we looked.
Fuck man.
That was insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Damn.
joe rogan
Damn.
That's a crazy thing about this world, is that you go to different places and just buy whatever spot you're at.
ari shaffir
Earthquakes in some places, hurricanes and others.
joe rogan
Have you been paying attention to Hawaii?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
They're losing hundreds and hundreds of houses to the volcano.
ari shaffir
The volcano?
Really?
I saw that car thing.
joe rogan
Dude, it's fucking up.
ari shaffir
I thought it was just a one-time thing.
joe rogan
No, it's fucking up.
Everything.
And they say it could go on for months.
They have projectiles flying through the air that are like a fucking several hundred pound rock.
ari shaffir
Wow, God.
joe rogan
Hurling through the air and landing on shit and lighting things on fire.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're losing houses left and right.
They can't stop it.
They can't even slow it down.
You just have to get out of there.
So they just have to evacuate.
There's toxic fumes in the air all around where the volcanoes are.
Look at it.
ari shaffir
Which island?
joe rogan
You can see it from space.
ari shaffir
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That's it from fucking space, bitch!
Look at it.
ari shaffir
What is it, the main island?
joe rogan
The big one.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, the big island.
Dude, it's huge.
It's a fucking real problem.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at that.
Scroll back up to the last one.
That one right there.
Look at that shit.
We're looking at this insane, beautiful image.
It's on Forbes.
It's a beautiful image of how green and lush the Big Island looks.
ari shaffir
It's beautiful for 90% of that picture.
joe rogan
Fucking amazing.
Amazing.
But this lava is shooting out of it and it's crazy.
ari shaffir
Where do people live?
joe rogan
Well, there were houses down there, son.
ari shaffir
I saw one thing of it overtaking a car.
joe rogan
That's a little village right there.
All that stuff to the left, that little brown shit, that's like a little village.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
A lot of those houses are done, son.
Yeah, I saw it eat that Mustang.
That Mustang.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that was cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, that Mustang got cooked.
It was weird.
It was weird just watching it consume it.
Like, that's it.
ari shaffir
I love nature so much.
joe rogan
That kind of nature is so amazing that people...
That's how you get an island.
unidentified
It's the only way.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
That's Iceland.
It's all volcanic rock and then just soot went over the top of it and just stuff grew out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, that is literally how the big island was formed.
It's being formed right now and you're freaking out.
ari shaffir
You're gonna have extension.
Fucking calm down.
joe rogan
It's gonna be bigger.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hawaii's gonna be bigger.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you gotta put some tarp while you're fucking building shit.
joe rogan
They have this shit there they call Vogue.
It's like volcanic smog.
unidentified
Vogue?
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It really fucked with my daughter's head.
She gets allergies like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You were there?
She was sneezing and coughing and I was like, what's the matter?
And they said for some people, if they have allergies to certain allergies, you can get this VOG, this weird fucking fog that comes in that's mixed with volcanic either emissions or, you know, there's a lot of the stuff that these people are in danger of.
It's not just the volcano itself, but the toxic gas.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so some of those gases that leak from the volcano get in the fog, and some people are particularly susceptible to it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, remember that European one where everybody was like, all the crops are ruined?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Was that the Iceland one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was the one that was responsible for that Michael Hastings guy.
Do you know Michael Hastings?
unidentified
He's that journalist that- Responsible for his career?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
He was over there doing a story on a general for Rolling Stone, and they had the volcano happen, and he couldn't fly home for a long time.
So he's over there and bedded with these soldiers for a long period of time.
And during that time, they got a little loose with them and started being themselves.
And some general said some stupid shit about Obama, insulted him in some way.
And they got this- The Icelandic general?
No, no, no.
US general.
Because this guy was doing a story overseas.
And as he was doing a story overseas, he got stranded there because of the volcano.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Because no one could fly over that.
So Michael Hastings writes this very bad story about this general.
And then comes back and, you know, the general gets fired.
He loses his job and he's like a beloved general.
And so Michael Hastings then winds up driving his fucking car into a tree going 120 miles an hour on sunset.
And the fear was that someone had murked him.
What they had done is they had hired someone to take over his car because he's got one of them...
Modern Mercedes, where you can hack into it.
You can force those things to drive themselves.
You could literally get into the computer and shift the wheel.
Hastings found himself on a bus from Paris to Berlin with McChrystal and his entourage.
The visit, which was supposed to take place in two days, turned into a month, during which time Hastings had considerable access to the general.
So the big conspiracy theory was that he was murdered.
That was the big conspiracy.
Because his car...
The engine flew from the car.
I mean, it was like it exploded.
Like there was some sort of explosion in there.
And then there was also the toxicology examination, I'm pretty sure revealed, what are you looking for, the weed?
Revealed that he was on some sort of amphetamine.
But all writers are on Adderall.
Not all of them, but a shitload of them.
ari shaffir
Mike Lawrence, we were at the Cabo Festival, and we were smoking pot, shitty pot, Mexican pot.
And I was like, you want something?
He goes, no, I don't smoke pot.
I was like, why don't you, Mike?
And he goes, I'm trying to get writing jobs.
I don't want to get tested.
I'm like, oh, dude, Hollywood doesn't test writers for drugs.
unidentified
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
I'm trying to get a writing job.
ari shaffir
He was just starting.
I was like, they're all on coke.
They don't test for that, bro.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Testing writing jobs.
Can you imagine how shitty the movies would become?
ari shaffir
Oh, so horrible.
joe rogan
They're testing everybody for weed.
It would be awful.
It's 3.30, ladies and gentlemen.
We're going to bring this bad boy to a close.
We want to thank you all for tuning in.
Why don't you go to AriTheGreat.com?
ari shaffir
Yeah, go to AriTheGreat.com.
But I'm doing this hour in Edinburgh.
That's kind of what I geared it for for the last year and a half to fucking unveil it in Edinburgh.
So I've watched them for two times now.
I was out there and it's kind of got influenced by some of their style of comedy.
I think the only problem with their style of comedy is they give up We've talked about this.
They give up the jokes for the sake of a point or a theme.
So I'm very careful not to do that, to make all this shit work on its own in clubs in America.
joe rogan
I like how you confidently pronounce the name.
ari shaffir
Edinburgh?
joe rogan
Yeah, you like Edinburgh.
Edinburgh is what a lot of Americans go with.
And I'm broke.
ari shaffir
So I'll be there August 2nd through the 26th at The Hive.
Tell all your friends from the UK that are going.
joe rogan
Goddamn UK people.
ari shaffir
I'm the show to check out.
Ari Shafir Jew.
6pm every day at The Hive.
joe rogan
One more time with the dates.
August 2nd.
ari shaffir
August 2nd through the 26th.
joe rogan
That's insane, son.
That's 24 days of Ari Shafir.
That's like Christmas, bitch.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Come out.
Enjoy it.
joe rogan
Go to sleep.
ari shaffir
Yeah, don't sleep.
joe rogan
AriTheGreat.com.
But I would like to point out that I offered Ari a free fanny pack.
He would not take it.
He will not take it.
ari shaffir
I said absolutely not.
joe rogan
Absolutely not.
ari shaffir
You were like so proud.
You're like, hey, I have this fanny pack.
joe rogan
It helps when you're traveling.
You put your keys and your wallet in there and you don't have to hold them.
He's like, fuck you.
ari shaffir
I have a reputation to maintain.
I'm free on a lot of stuff.
I ain't fanny pack free.
joe rogan
I'm fanny pack free, son.
That's how I'm rolling.
Okay, we'll be back tomorrow.
ari shaffir
Who's on tomorrow, Joe Rogan?
joe rogan
Hamilton Morris from Vice.
We're doing a redo.
We did one many, many, many years ago, and we got so high we couldn't talk.
I'm like, I'm here with the drug guy from Vice.
We're going deep.
We went so deep.
We went so deep, I didn't even know if I was there or not.
I wasn't even sure when I was hearing my voice if it was mine.
We barely talked.
I was close to death.
But he's coming back.
He's going to be here tomorrow.
Hamilton Morris.
Duncan Trussell's going to be here.
We've got a lot of people coming.
See you soon.
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