March 29, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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and we're live Eve Edwards, ladies and gentlemen. | |
| You're one of those dudes that has that book cover for your phone. | ||
| I tried to rock the book cover. | ||
| After a while, I'm like, what am I doing here with this extra step? | ||
| I gotta open up a book to get to my phone. | ||
| I like it because I forget things a lot so like I don't like having a wallet and a phone when I leave somewhere like especially even a house I leave the house with my phone, but I don't have my cash on my cards So I got a solution for you. | ||
| It's called a motherfucking fanny pack That's right even where it's you're cool, dude You think you're cool enough to rock one of these like are you cool enough to get past the social pariah aspect? | ||
| Of this bag that you wear around your waist. | ||
| I don't have that much shit with me most of the time. | ||
| It's not that much shit. | ||
| There's a lot of shit in here, but this is a weird day. | ||
| I have like keys and I have a knife in there and stuff. | ||
| But most of the time, it's just light. | ||
| I travel light with that. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| I believe Quavo from Migos. | ||
| I have no idea who you just said. | ||
| He's a popular rapper. | ||
| But that is a ridiculous... | ||
| Is he a popular fella? | ||
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Yes. | |
| I'm an old man, dude. | ||
| I'm an old man who listens to the Allman Brothers, alright? | ||
| But that one that he's got on is preposterous. | ||
| You might as well have a laptop hanging around his waist. | ||
| Yeah, he's also got like holes in his jeans. | ||
| Yeah, that's ridiculous. | ||
| What'd you get attacked by a tiger, sir? | ||
| He's also got a lot of jewelry. | ||
| All that jewelry. | ||
| In the 80s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's kind of ridiculous looking. | ||
| But make that bigger again so I can take a look at this gentleman. | ||
| This is a light version, too. | ||
| I probably could have found a better picture. | ||
| He's got a lot going on. | ||
| Those pants are preposterous. | ||
| That's the most preposterous thing. | ||
| I guess the shoes, if you want to go out, but you also want to go bowling, you might wear those shoes. | ||
| This is a roast fest. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| I can't say anything bad about the jewelry. | ||
| I'm not into the jewelry. | ||
| I mean, that's not my thing, but he looks like he's well-appointed. | ||
| He looks like he has two watches on, though. | ||
| Fuck yeah, ballin'. | ||
| Hashtag ballin'. | ||
| I think the one on the right is probably just... | ||
| Is that a bracelet? | ||
| Just a fancy-ass bracelet. | ||
| But the pants are ridiculous. | ||
| How the fuck did that ever get started, where people wear ripped-up pants? | ||
| I tried to talk to Brendan Chobb about that. | ||
| That dumb motherfucker wears those shits. | ||
| Didn't they do it in the 80s though? | ||
| They did it a long time ago too. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| It's been going on for a while. | ||
| That's like from fucking music videos. | ||
| It's just like, what are you doing, man? | ||
| It's like Pat Benatar. | ||
| I don't have any fashion taste. | ||
| Don't listen to me. | ||
| But when I mock some shit, you might want to listen to me. | ||
| Like, don't wear what I wear. | ||
| Like, you know, don't. | ||
| Just don't. | ||
| I mostly wear these things, which are trail running sneakers. | ||
| They get no sneaker cred. | ||
| Or I'll wear Converse All-Star. | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| Teen Beat Donnie Wahlberg. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's from the 90s. | ||
| How does his hog not just slip right out of that one on the right hand side? | ||
| That one on the right hand side? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Silly fucks. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I see that and I feel like the guys are probably wearing a thong under that too. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine there's something going on there. | ||
| See, like with the women, it's so much nicer. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't bother me at all. | ||
| I'm gonna tell you right now, this is where I'm a hypocrite. | ||
| Like with Beyonce right there, she fills it out. | ||
| Yeah, she does. | ||
| See, that's kind of different because like a woman's legs and everything are very sexual, right? | ||
| So you see extra leg, it's like, just shut your mouth and take the bonus. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want to complain about it. | ||
| But a dude wearing something like that? | ||
| It's like, it's literally like, well, not literally, but it's so much like a guy wearing a dress. | ||
| Like, it's a fashion for women, I believe. | ||
| It's trying way too hard. | ||
| Like, look at this fella. | ||
| This, like, seems like the 80s, though, because he's got a suit jacket on. | ||
| I mean, you can look at the quality of the picture. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And that hairstyle. | ||
| Suit jackets never came back. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's got patches, too. | ||
| Oh, he's got patches. | ||
| I remember when they used to do all that art on the jeans, too? | ||
| Yeah, those pants are ridiculous. | ||
| But ripped-up pants. | ||
| Men. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Ripped up pants and skinny jeans. | ||
| I'm still 100% against skinny jeans. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I say that. | ||
| I'm against skinny jeans, but I wear these things called barbell jeans. | ||
| You ever wear those? | ||
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No. | |
| They look like skinny jeans. | ||
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Because they're tight to you, but they have... | |
| Oh, I got them on right now. | ||
| They're made out of this shit. | ||
| They got some elasticity to it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| They're like wearing sweatpants. | ||
| Like, you don't feel... | ||
| You can go throw kicks in them. | ||
| Like, you could. | ||
| Like, for real. | ||
| I'm too old for that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I can't get my leg out. | ||
| Do you train anymore? | ||
| Yeah, I still train. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I haven't trained. | ||
| The past few months have been a little bit hard, but now that things are settling down and I'm settling into this new life, things are good. | ||
| I've been training with Joe a lot, shilling. | ||
| Oh, okay, cool. | ||
| Mickey Gall just moved out here. | ||
| Are you in that area? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Are you in the downtown area? | ||
| Yeah, in Eagle Rock. | ||
| Oh, nice, nice. | ||
| So I like it over there. | ||
| The yard's a great place. | ||
| The yard is awesome. | ||
| That's a great place to train. | ||
| Been going there for a while with him. | ||
| I saw Mickey training with Joe on Instagram. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| So he's down there too? | ||
| Smart. | ||
| Good move for him. | ||
| That's what he needs, right? | ||
| His striking, his ground game is very good. | ||
| Yeah, his ground is really good. | ||
| He moved down here about a month ago and he actually is my roommate now. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| You live with Mickey Gall? | ||
| Yeah, he came out and lived with me. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| That's gotta be fun. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's fun also because he's so young. | ||
| It's almost like having a son that is doing what you did. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's a great resource for him to be able to talk to you, ask you questions about the game. | ||
| We sit around and watch fights sometimes. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| Eve Edwards, I saw you fight in hook and shoot in like the fucking 60s. | ||
| Like you were wearing bell bottoms when you came out into the cage. | ||
| I was. | ||
| There was one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember you fought Aaron Riley. | ||
| I think you were like 12 years old. | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| I was about 20. So I was still a kid. | ||
| Those were good fights though, man. | ||
| Those were good fights. | ||
| I was watching that fight. | ||
| Actually, Mickey and I watched that fight together a couple weeks ago. | ||
| Is it weird? | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| Does it seem like you? | ||
| Does it seem like another life? | ||
| It's kind of another life, right? | ||
| It is. | ||
| Like, how old are you now? | ||
| I'm 41. When you think back about yourself at 20, like, how much memory do you really have of that? | ||
| You got, like, little flashes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I can see little pictures, images of shit, and then I have a narrative that I play out in my head that I think happened, and so I can repeat it. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| 20-year-old Eve Edwards! | ||
| Bouncing around! | ||
| Wow, dude. | ||
| Yeah, look at the hair. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I had this curl thing going on. | ||
| You had that Kumo D thing going on, too. | ||
| I was, you know, I was representing the homies. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This is the early, early days. | ||
| This was Jeff Osborne's show. | ||
| Yep, that was Hook and Shoot. | ||
| That was the first time Aaron and I fought. | ||
| Is Jeff doing... | ||
| He's a really good commentator, man. | ||
| Is he working? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know he just, like, he shut down Hook and Shoot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's gone. | ||
| And I don't know what Jeff is doing. | ||
| I know he had a lot... | ||
| He was involved with pro wrestling a lot, too. | ||
| But now, I haven't spoken to him in a long time. | ||
| I did a couple shows with him in the UFC when I first came aboard. | ||
| He was doing the UFC back in the... | ||
| Yeah, I was just watching, that's another thing, going back and watching these old fights. | ||
| I went on Fight Pass and I was watching, I think it was like UFC 33. Wow. | ||
| In Louisiana, when Bustamanch and Linlin, that card. | ||
| Yeah, that was the restart fight. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bustamanch tapped him twice. | ||
| Bustamanch tapped him. | ||
| And then tapped him again. | ||
| And Big John kind of screwed it up and... | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You know, that was the early days, too. | ||
| I think nowadays, I think Big John would have just said, no, no, no. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, we were all learning back then. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that was still like UFC, middleweight championship. | ||
| You know, it was like they had had 30-plus shows. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| It was something that you wouldn't expect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Well, Lindlund was so... | ||
| He was so crazy. | ||
| Didn't he bite somebody when he was wrestling? | ||
| Lindlund? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| In the wrestling days, he bit somebody. | ||
| Here's Bustamantre versus Chuck Liddell. | ||
| This is a different one. | ||
| Yeah, this was a fight where... | ||
| Bustamance was out of power. | ||
| Yeah, he was just too small. | ||
| Chuck was just so scary back then. | ||
| And Bustamance wasn't taking Chuck down. | ||
| Well, Bustamance had fought some big fucking dudes, though, man. | ||
| Yeah, that was the thing, that he hadn't taken Chuck down. | ||
| He had fought some big fucking dudes. | ||
| Remember he fought Tom Erickson in, like, World Combat something or another? | ||
| I don't remember the organization. | ||
| I do vaguely remember the fight. | ||
| I don't remember watching it. | ||
| But there was a... | ||
| It was a mat. | ||
| I feel like it was on a mat and there was no cage or a ring. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| That's what my dream is. | ||
| My dream is to do MMA fights in a football field. | ||
| I feel like if they can run. | ||
| People can get together for football fields. | ||
| No, so you can't get trapped up against a cage. | ||
| I feel like if a guy takes you down and holds you down, he should be able to hold you down because there's nothing there but the ground. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But a cage, you can wall walk up the cage. | ||
| You could protect yourself against submissions up against the cage. | ||
| There's a bunch of shit that happens against the cage that just doesn't happen if you're in a basketball court. | ||
| But then because of that, you've got to develop new technique, right? | ||
| You've got to develop something to deal with that situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think the rules are okay? | ||
| No. | ||
| What would you change? | ||
| I would definitely change the 12 to 6 elbow. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| I always thought that was silly. | ||
| You know why that one's illegal, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to watch those karate things. | ||
| They used to come on late at night on ESPN when I was a kid. | ||
| I used to watch those things all the time. | ||
| I used to love them, too. | ||
| Even when I was fighting, I was still watching those things because it was entertainment. | ||
| Those things are so silly. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| They get so intense too, you know? | ||
| So the athletic commissions really thought that you couldn't do that to a person because you'd kill them. | ||
| So they made that technique illegal. | ||
| Out of all the shit. | ||
| Like we have that power cube thing in the back where Ngannou registered that power punch. | ||
| If you go out there and elbow that thing, you'd be shocked at how weak-ass your elbow is. | ||
| Especially a drop-down elbow. | ||
| Like it's just not that much power. | ||
| It's just, I mean, when they're breaking those boards, they're using that joint as a... | ||
| As a post, as a lever, exactly. | ||
| And they're just putting their body weight behind it. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| You can't necessarily do that when you're inside someone's guard. | ||
| You don't want Jon Jones elbowing you in the face, period. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But there's no difference if Jon's hitting you with a downward elbow like he got disqualified for when he fought Matt Hamill, or if he's hitting you with a sideways elbow. | ||
| He's just smashing you. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That downward elbow is going to cut a lot less unless it's the point on the top of the head. | ||
| That's true, right? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's a very important point. | ||
| Like, that was always the argument against no gloves, was that you'd cut. | ||
| You'd cut people more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I mean, that skin getting pinched between bone at that speed, you know? | ||
| It's just getting torn. | ||
| It's not even really cut. | ||
| But, do you think that having wrapped up hands and having padded gloves, like, is that an unrealistic sort of thing? | ||
| Because, like, if you're striking, like, if you and a dude were just fighting, right? | ||
| You're just fighting. | ||
| Like, there's no, like, hey, this is a play fight, we're gonna have rules. | ||
| This is just a fight. | ||
| You and a guy are fighting. | ||
| You can't just hit him with bare hands the way you can hit him with gloves on. | ||
| With your wrist taped up, you know, you got to be very wary about punching him full blast in the forehead. | ||
| You might shatter your hand. | ||
| There's a lot of things you have to think about. | ||
| Yeah, but I guess as someone has done it and trained to try to knock someone out, we're never throwing punches at your skull. | ||
| We're aiming for these targets that are soft. | ||
| So when you're in a street fight, those things don't turn off. | ||
| So as a fighter, that's not a concern to me in a street fight situation. | ||
| When you bring that up, But I know it can happen. | ||
| I mean, it happened in some of the early UFCs. | ||
| These guys would break their hands on skulls. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Is it unrealistic to put gloves on someone and tape their wrist up? | ||
| We don't give them any other advantage for striking any other way. | ||
| You don't let them cast up your ankles or do something where you protect your shins and make it easier for you to kick hard. | ||
| Because if you had some sort of spandex thing with a shin pad, like the same sort of... | ||
| thickness of shin pad as you have on the knuckles, you would just be slamming into everything. | ||
| Elbows, arms, who gives a fuck? | ||
| You wouldn't worry about it. | ||
| Just slam it in there. | ||
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Boom. | |
| It would change the game. | ||
| It would completely change the game, but it would slow it down a lot more. | ||
| I mean, in MMA fights now, you look at a punch count for an MMA fight versus a boxing match. | ||
| Of course, they can only punch, so the punch count's higher, but... | ||
| Your hands are getting hurt. | ||
| Guys will lose fights simply because they can't continue going into the second round sometimes. | ||
| Will that be the case or will it change their style? | ||
| It will definitely change the style, but without having the gloves and hand wraps and that stuff there, there is going to be those times when it's just going to bring the number down. | ||
| It's not going to stop it though. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, I think if I wanted to look at it in terms of just pure entertainment value, I'd say leave it the way it is. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Change downward elbows. | ||
| Maybe add a couple other things. | ||
| Yeah, some things. | ||
| I like the pride rules, man. | ||
| Yeah, pride rules are bad. | ||
| I still like pride rules. | ||
| Including with the judging, the pride rules. | ||
| Judge the whole fight. | ||
| Judge the whole fight. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| More judges. | ||
| I think that's a big one. | ||
| I was talking about that with Pat Miletic the other day. | ||
| We're saying five judges or more. | ||
| Why only three? | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| With more judges, you'll get a little more diversity. | ||
| Also, though, I think you've got to change the scoring criteria. | ||
| I mean, we are using a boxing criteria, but when you talk about wrestling, I see guys go, oh, he scores a takedown. | ||
| When a guy goes down, he pops right back up. | ||
| I'm like, it's not a takedown. | ||
| It's not two. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not two. | ||
| So, like, why can't we implement some of the things? | ||
| Because we're taking aspects of all these different styles of fighting. | ||
| Like, the scoring system and the values for things should come from that to some degree. | ||
| Yeah, a takedown with an immediate stand-up. | ||
| Like, if someone takes you down, you're right back up. | ||
| That is not a whole lot different than you blocking a kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, does blocking a kick count? | ||
| If you get your knee up and your elbow up and you catch one right here, are you counting that as something that got through? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| You know who does? | ||
| Greg Jackson. | ||
| He's a great coach, man. | ||
| He counts that? | ||
| So I think he does this psychological thing. | ||
| I'm letting the cat out of the bag with this one. | ||
| Because I'm in the cage with Isaac Valley Flag, and Isaac throws a kick, and I block it. | ||
| And Greg's like, it's a great kick, Isaac. | ||
| Great kick, Ike. | ||
| That landed. | ||
| And then he does something else, and it doesn't affect me, but he's cheering him on like it does. | ||
| And I'm like, is he doing that for the judges? | ||
| And I went back to the corner. | ||
| I told Mike. | ||
| I was like, Mike, he's cheering him on, kind of getting the judges on his side. | ||
| Mike's like, don't worry about that. | ||
| This is what you need to do. | ||
| Yeah, you got to get that shit out of your head. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But if he's right there, if you see where one corner is and then the other corner is, when the fight is not going on, they're over there by the stairs, the judge is right there. | ||
| The judge is just a few feet over. | ||
| And if they're like enthusiastic, like, yes, you got it, you got it, you got it. | ||
| Those judges, a certain percent, let's say 30, don't know what the fuck they're watching. | ||
| And so they're very susceptible. | ||
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Can we say a name? | |
| No, let's not say any names, because I know what we'd say. | ||
| We'd all say the same name, unfortunately. | ||
| Nice lady. | ||
| Anyway, this... | ||
| This fucking situation, there should be way better judges for sure. | ||
| I think guys who are former fighters, guys who are martial arts experts, guys who really care about the sport, you have no shortage of them. | ||
| You can go to any MMA school, any jujitsu school, any kickboxing school. | ||
| Any website. | ||
| Any website, all across the country, and you will find hundreds and hundreds of qualified candidates. | ||
| People that will tell you why that's a bad decision. | ||
| People that will tell you why that doesn't work. | ||
| People that will tell you why this shouldn't mean anything. | ||
| And we don't have that right now for no reason. | ||
| There's like zero reason. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's not like, well, man, there's not enough money. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| No, there's enough money for it. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| This is no reason. | ||
| It's not like, well, you know, water is wet and that's just how it goes. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it would be a good thing also now that like the second generation, I have like in my head I have this three generations of MMA and that's where we are now in the third starting to move into the fourth. | ||
| And I feel like with the first two generations being done pretty much, like there's a lot of guys that are highly qualified to judge. | ||
| Way more. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean the sport is giant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many good writers out there. | ||
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Yep. | |
| If you read MMA articles, they're really good writing in a lot of these mainstream websites. | ||
| It's like a lot of experts out there talking about stuff. | ||
| That's why a fight like Next Weekend is so fascinating. | ||
| Because between Tony and Khabib, nobody knows what the fuck is going to happen. | ||
| It's one of those fights where everybody's like, damn, I don't know. | ||
| And you've got all these people breaking it down on one side, and then you've got people making compelling arguments on the other side, and you're like... | ||
| Hmm, okay. | ||
| This one's going to be weird. | ||
| I've been bouncing back and forth between my pick for that fight, but I guess because I've been bouncing back and forth, this isn't necessarily where I'm going to stay, but I feel like... | ||
| Okay, I don't see how that can change. | ||
| But again, like you said, there are people that are making these arguments. | ||
| And if somebody convinces me of something that kind of defeats this argument, then it's like, man, now you open the door for this again. | ||
| And what I think is like, my first thought was, Khabib is this guy, he takes everybody down, and he controls you and beats you up. | ||
| And you think he's going to do that. | ||
| But Tony is this guy, he just does not, he's like one of these submission first kind of guys. | ||
| Remember that argument, submission or Tony isn't too worried about position. | ||
| He'll create scrambles. | ||
| He's aware of where he is at all times and what he's giving up. | ||
| So I feel like he would just continue to scramble. | ||
| He'd be able to get back to his feet at least. | ||
| And then I go back to Khabib and seeing Tony against Kevin Lee. | ||
| And Kevin Lee kind of controlled him early in that fight. | ||
| He was able to pass his guard and do some good controlling things. | ||
| Now, if a guy like Khabib can do that, then he's not getting back up. | ||
| And Khabib is going to be able to take him now. | ||
| He is the best wrestler in the game. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| Good arguments. | ||
| Good arguments. | ||
| You know, I think another argument is that when Kevin Lee fought Tony, I think everybody knew Kevin had a staph infection. | ||
| I knew. | ||
| I saw him walking in the cage. | ||
| I looked at his chest. | ||
| I was like, holy shit, that guy's got staph. | ||
| I knew he was going to be weak. | ||
| I knew, compared to the Kevin Lee, the destroyer that you see when he's on point and in shape, I was like, this guy's going to be compromised. | ||
| And he's also a big 155, so it's a hard cut for him. | ||
| Whereas Tony makes it, I mean, Tony can get pretty heavy, but he's super disciplined, he makes it easy. | ||
| Tony's endurance, his endurance is off the charts. | ||
| Off the charts. | ||
| Impeccable. | ||
| He was posting the other day that he went on a six-mile run at one o'clock in the morning. | ||
| He's like, extra credit. | ||
| He wrote hashtag extra credit. | ||
| I mean, he's an animal. | ||
| I mean, Eddie Bravo trains them up there in Big Bear all the time. | ||
| He says he's never seen anything like it. | ||
| So the dude is just, everybody else is like pacing everybody up the hill, coming back down. | ||
| They're still trying to make it up the first time. | ||
| He's running past them the second time. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| He wants it. | ||
| Oh, he wants it bad. | ||
| But so, he knew that Kevin going into that fight was compromised. | ||
| So if he knew Kevin was compromised, maybe he decided to just let him work. | ||
| Let him work that first round. | ||
| And Kevin's no joke. | ||
| Kevin's fucking dangerous. | ||
| He's very skilled. | ||
| Very skilled, very aggressive, very strong, very dangerous. | ||
| So Tony, he got in bad positions in that fight, though. | ||
| Didn't he get mounted in the first round? | ||
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He got mounted. | |
| His guy got passed pretty easily early in the fight. | ||
| But that's crazy, because if he did take that time off, even knowing that a guy like Kevin Lee was compromised... | ||
| That's still a high-level guy to be, I'm going to take this time off, be a little bit lax. | ||
| Yeah, who knows? | ||
| I mean, it might just have been Kevin is that good. | ||
| I really wish that fight took place with Kevin healthy. | ||
| Really wish that fight took place with Kevin. | ||
| I think Kevin is an interesting guy because he talks a lot of shit. | ||
| He's really aggressive. | ||
| He fights well. | ||
| He looks the part. | ||
| When you look at him, he's fucking jacked, you know? | ||
| That's a bad break for a dude like that. | ||
| He had like a golf ball grown out of his tit. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| I mean, it could happen again relatively soon depending on how his fight with Barboza goes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's an interesting fight for Barboza too. | ||
| Barboza's got to recover from that mauling that Khabib put on him. | ||
| That was horrendous. | ||
| That's their common opponent, too, with Tony. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And I want to look back at the Barbosa fight, but when I did look at it, he defended some of those takedowns early. | ||
| And I mean, it's against Khabib. | ||
| Now, yes, you're going to be the strongest in the first round, but still, there's not a lot of people defending Khabib's takedowns. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a great New York Times article that was just on. | ||
| Three or four days ago about wrestlers from Dagestan. | ||
| Yeah, and about how wrestling is their way out Because so many of them trying to prove themselves they wind up joining those Islamic terrorist groups and that these coaches try to take these young aggressive kids and Give them something something else and give them another alternative really really well written article interesting stuff about Like, how powerful these guys are and how young they get him into it. | ||
| And when you see Khabib, the thing about him is like he's not doing different things than everybody else. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, some people are doing different things. | ||
| Like, Wonderboy's doing different things. | ||
| Like, he stands totally sideways, his hands are down, he's throwing front leg sidekicks. | ||
| He's doing a lot of different things. | ||
| You're like, oh, okay, this is a new thing to adjust to. | ||
| Khabib's doing standard shit, but he's just doing it at not just a notch, but several notches past what everybody else is doing. | ||
| I think that's the thing about these Dagestani guys. | ||
| It's crazy because this American wrestling style, folk style wrestling of being on top and having that control, that's a big deal. | ||
| But Nick Lentz, that's one of his strengths. | ||
| When Nick gets on top of you, it's like a dwarf. | ||
| He's not going anywhere. | ||
| But he can also escape that a lot of guys. | ||
| Same thing with Mike Brown. | ||
| But Nick Lance got ridden out in the fight in Brooklyn. | ||
| I forget which card. | ||
| Holly Holmes and Jermaine Durandamy. | ||
| You know, that card. | ||
| He won by guillotine, right? | ||
| No, Lentz lost. | ||
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Which one? | |
| Which fight? | ||
| I forget who he fought. | ||
| I forget he fought a Dagestani guy. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| But he just got ridden out against his own style. | ||
| Like, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Oh, I see what you're saying. | ||
| These guys are better at what the American style is. | ||
| But, like, for something like that, I want to see one of those guys against a guy like Gregor Gillespie. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You know? | ||
| Because that style of wrestling, of being on top and grinding on you... | ||
| That's a high-level wrestler like that. | ||
| A four-time All-American national champion kind of guy with that kind of conditioning who's not going to break. | ||
| I want to see that battle. | ||
| Because that'll be like a national championship with two guys that can punch and kick a bit. | ||
| Well, like a guy like Jordan Burroughs. | ||
| Jordan Burroughs getting into MMA. What happens when he fights one of those Dagestani guys? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But see, there's Dagestani guys, and then there's Khabib. | ||
| He's another notch above them. | ||
| He's a notch above them. | ||
| There's a lot of those guys that are real good. | ||
| They're real tough. | ||
| But he's another level. | ||
| He is a scary level. | ||
| When you see him on top of guys, like especially the Michael Johnson, that was... | ||
| Helpless. | ||
| That was mauling, man. | ||
| Horrifying. | ||
| And having a conversation with him. | ||
| Pleading with him to give up. | ||
| You must quit title shot this man. | ||
| You know title shot they deserve. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| And he's got his arm tied behind his back. | ||
| He's punched him in the face. | ||
| It's horrific. | ||
| It's horrific. | ||
| I mean, he can do shit to you that, like, it's like white belt, black belt, beat ups. | ||
| Yeah, against the best guys in the world. | ||
| Against the best guys in the world. | ||
| Michael Johnson, but Michael Johnson clipped him though. | ||
| But here's the thing about that fight, which is interesting to me. | ||
| Khabib came into that fight with the same problem he went into the Tony Ferguson fight that was cancelled. | ||
| He cut too much weight and his liver apparently shut down, making weight for that fight. | ||
| So then they went into the next fight, and he didn't make weight at all. | ||
| He got rushed to the hospital. | ||
| Then he hires a nutritionist, looks fucking fantastic against Barboza, has zero problems making weight. | ||
| Now he's got it all under control. | ||
| But you've got to wonder, if he was compromised in the Michael Johnson fight, how much of a factor did that play? | ||
| Into him getting stunned. | ||
| Yeah, he got clipped. | ||
| And you know as well as anybody that when you're dehydrated, or you have been dehydrated, you just don't take a punch as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dehydration, conditioning, those things help you recover when you're hydrated and your conditioning is up to par. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| You've seen him take some punches. | ||
| He always backs guys up. | ||
| He's always coming forward. | ||
| And he does eat a lot of shots coming forward. | ||
| But... | ||
| You know, if his conditioning is fine, then that's the only time that I can remember him getting hurt in a fight from taking shots. | ||
| Like the same thing with Barbosa. | ||
| Barbosa was throwing at him hard. | ||
| Hard. | ||
| You know, especially early. | ||
| Walked it off. | ||
| Walked off everything. | ||
| He's like a zombie. | ||
| He got wheel kicked a couple times. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Clubbed in the back of the head with wheel kicks. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Not today. | ||
| Just constantly charging forward, man. | ||
| He's a fucking tank. | ||
| Terrifying guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But this is the fight. | ||
| To me, that's most intriguing other than him fighting Conor. | ||
| Him fighting Conor for the name value is like chaos, right? | ||
| Like, holy shit. | ||
| Like, they might do that if he wins. | ||
| That'd be awesome to do that in Russia. | ||
| Dude, if they do that in Russia, Conor better bring his own food. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| He better bring some fucking corned beef and cabbage right from the motherland. | ||
| You don't want to take any chances. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when Khabib... | ||
| When Khabib's fighting Tony, the thing about Tony is that Tony's so creative. | ||
| He's very unpredictable. | ||
| He might step in and throw an upward elbow. | ||
| He'll do all kinds of weird shit. | ||
| He'll do Gramby rolls on you. | ||
| He'll die for a leg. | ||
| He might try to take Khabib down. | ||
| Who knows what he's going to do? | ||
| In stand-up, he's got legit knockout power. | ||
| Legit. | ||
| And he can take a shot. | ||
| Rolls with punches real well. | ||
| Doesn't mind when he gets hit hard. | ||
| He just kind of rolls with shit. | ||
| Comes back. | ||
| Like the Barboza fight. | ||
| The Barboza fight with him was a very interesting fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fight was fun to watch. | ||
| I can't remember all the details right now, but I remember tweeting, man, I'm watching this and these guys are savages. | ||
| I can't believe I fought one of these dudes. | ||
| I bet Daddy Castillo is like, man, I fought them both. | ||
| But yeah, that fight was fun to watch, and that's that common opponent thing that you say. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's one of those things also, though, because you know the rule. | ||
| Fighter A, B, C, that thing doesn't play out. | ||
| Like Stout beats... | ||
| Jeremy Stevens beats Stout, I beat Jeremy. | ||
| And Stout beats me. | ||
| It's this crazy... | ||
| Crazy thing where it just doesn't add up. | ||
| It doesn't add up. | ||
| MMA math just doesn't work. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why someone like Khabib is so impressive. | ||
| It's because he beats everybody. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| Undefeated. | ||
| Who the fuck is undefeated at that level of the game? | ||
| I think he has 25 victories. | ||
| 25-0. | ||
| 25-0. | ||
| Him and... | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| I still call him undefeated. | ||
| John Jones? | ||
| He's undefeated in my book. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| You don't win when you get smashed. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He dominated that fight 100%. | ||
| It's a goofy rule, and I don't even know if he totally violated it. | ||
| I mean, he's trying to get through the guard while he's finishing a guy. | ||
| The guy's covering up. | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| It makes me mad. | ||
| I feel like I hit a nerve with that one. | ||
| The 12-6 elbow makes me mad. | ||
| Because it makes me mad because it's still there. | ||
| Because they changed the rules. | ||
| They went through this new unified rule system. | ||
| I'm like, oh, this is good. | ||
| We have some new regulations as far as putting your hand on the mat and taking a knee. | ||
| When can you hit a guy with a knee? | ||
| Now it's one hand. | ||
| Now you can do it with one hand. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| What? | ||
| 12-6 elbow still in? | ||
| See, here's what I've learned since I've retired is that all of these formulas fit into something else. | ||
| So right now you're like, well, you change this one thing. | ||
| Well, all of this other shit is wrong. | ||
| Well, you look at society and you look at the world, right? | ||
| And like these little changes are what happens. | ||
| It's never everything that's wrong isn't fixed at all times. | ||
| It's always this one little thing is fixed. | ||
| This other little thing is fixed. | ||
| This other little thing is fixed. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Right. | |
| So it's gonna take a while. | ||
| It'll happen eventually, but man, there should be something that changes every year. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think they've gotta figure out something with eye pokes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like there's, I think some, I don't know, it may have been you. | ||
| I feel like it was an announcer or a commentator or something talking about it. | ||
| But having like a glove just that covers the fingers, but it doesn't really change anything. | ||
| Even so much so that like it's a webbing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that your fingers are still virtually individual, you know, but you can bring them all down together or you can just put those... | ||
| Those two are on and these two are going to be tugged at, but it takes no effort. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Some things are covering like that with the padding over the front so that it doesn't go in the eyes as a single point. | ||
| Is there anybody even playing with prototypes or something like that and doing an exhibition or demonstration? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| I haven't seen anything compelling. | ||
| I haven't seen anybody come up with anything. | ||
| Yeah, it was my idea. | ||
| My idea was to have it like Like a like a old-school bag glove. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you know like Joe Lewis with those old-school bag gloves It's a very thin glove that would like cover the tips and they used to hit the bag with them back in like the fucking 20s Yeah, it was just like leather. | ||
| Yeah, and then maybe maybe that's what it is like um Keep still the love and just kind of a topping of that type thing with it. | ||
| That makes so much sense Yeah, why would the tips of the fingers like you don't you? | ||
| In grappling, you never use individual fingers. | ||
| You cup. | ||
| Everything is done like this. | ||
| It wouldn't change anything. | ||
| Nothing at all. | ||
| It wouldn't change a single thing. | ||
| The only thing it changes is... | ||
| yeah because it doesn't even change this grip no it makes it better honestly you have more grip yeah like if it's like uh you know like um a suede type material like something that's a little rough you could actually get good grip yeah that's true it would help grappling because gloves definitely hurt some submissions they get in the way of rear naked chokes it's one of the reasons why george's submission over bisping Was so impressive because he went this way. | ||
| He went deep back of the hand to the back of the neck the real way, which sometimes you don't see because the guy can't get the glove in there. | ||
| Yeah, that's the one that's on the display image of jujitsu chokes. | ||
| Yeah, I mean that one was fucking tight. | ||
| That was crazy to watch George do that. | ||
| But yeah, they've got to figure out something. | ||
| You don't need to have these open. | ||
| It doesn't affect wrist control. | ||
| It doesn't affect any kind of grappling. | ||
| In fact, it would make it better. | ||
| What is Bellator? | ||
| Yeah, Bellator has done what Pride did, where they curved it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| They're using Everlast. | ||
| Everlast is their glove manufacturer. | ||
| Obviously, they make fucking killer shit. | ||
| But what they're doing is having it so it's more difficult to open your fingers up. | ||
| That's a smart move. | ||
| It's a little thicker, too. | ||
| And you didn't see a lot of eye pokes and pride. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| That's the point, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The UFC, those gloves, it's almost harder to close than it is to open them. | ||
| Yeah, and... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like maybe it was just the commission, but I feel like, you know, you always break your gloves in. | ||
| You try to break them in a little bit because they're stiff when you first get them. | ||
| They're new. | ||
| But there was at least one commission. | ||
| They wouldn't even let us, like, you know, break the gloves in. | ||
| They wouldn't give you the gloves. | ||
| You didn't get them until you put them on. | ||
| That must be some amateur shit. | ||
| Like some commission that doesn't know what they're doing yet. | ||
| You know what commission doesn't know what they're doing? | ||
| Not the commission. | ||
| The hospitals after the fight itself in New York. | ||
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Really? | |
| Man, in Brooklyn, I had the crazy... | ||
| Well, I had. | ||
| It wasn't me. | ||
| Dustin Poirier had the craziest trip. | ||
| So after that fight with Jim Miller, with all those shin kicks, they both went to the hospital with the calf kicks. | ||
| And Dustin's calf and shin was swollen and they were giving him some morphine in the truck. | ||
| We got there and the doctor came in and they wanted to perform a surgery on him there. | ||
| They wanted to slice his shin open. | ||
| And relieve the pressure because they were saying, you're going to lose nerve tissue and your nerves are going to die. | ||
| And when they go, there's no coming back. | ||
| You can't fix those things. | ||
| They were really pushing for this thing. | ||
| It was a crazy situation, right? | ||
| So we're like, hey, Dustin, man. | ||
| And then I called Mike Brown back there and we started having this discussion about... | ||
| It's just like, it's leg kicks. | ||
| We've seen this all the time in the thigh and whatnot. | ||
| No. | ||
| And Dustin's like, yeah, I don't want to do that. | ||
| Then they started, he was like, yeah, I want to get out of here, basically. | ||
| And he was like, can I just have something for the pain? | ||
| And it felt like they were like, no. | ||
| They said, no, we're not going to let you leave here on pain medication. | ||
| And I felt like they were trying to entice him to stay with fucking pain medication. | ||
| It was just a really weird situation. | ||
| And we were there for way too long and they were really pushing for this. | ||
| Like three or four different doctors came in trying to convince him to get this surgery done. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It was crazy. | ||
| Just for some swelling? | ||
| Just swelling in the calf. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| Why would they think that it would cause nerve damage to have so much swelling? | ||
| The swelling was pushing up against the blood vessel, supposedly, and there wasn't circulation coming through. | ||
| That's what was happening. | ||
| This is over a year ago, so I'm trying to remember exactly, and I'm not a doctor. | ||
| But the swelling, and they were asking him about, because he was having some loss of sensation, right? | ||
| In his toes. | ||
| But he had just fought, you know? | ||
| And they'd given him morphine and all this other stuff. | ||
| So they were no poking at his toes with a pin or something. | ||
| You feel that? | ||
| You feel that? | ||
| And he's like, yeah, a little bit. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, all these different answers. | ||
| And they claimed to be concerned about it. | ||
| They were telling him that this is a possibility, and this is what's going to happen, and we want to prevent it. | ||
| They weren't like, well, this is guaranteed that this is what's going on. | ||
| This is just the realistic possibility and we want to prevent it. | ||
| He wanted to wait as long as possible and they just seemed to be really pushy about wanting to do this. | ||
| So where were they going to make the incision? | ||
| In the shin. | ||
| Up the shin. | ||
| How big? | ||
| It was big. | ||
| It was as long as my phone. | ||
| What? | ||
| So that's why we were like, yeah, this is kind of crazy. | ||
| And they would just want to drain it? | ||
| And they want to drain it. | ||
| They want to release the pressure, right? | ||
| And then they were like, well, there's a test that we can do. | ||
| Can't really see it from that angle. | ||
| It was so much worse in the hospital. | ||
| Yeah, it was nasty. | ||
| They were like, there's a... | ||
| When Dustin was like, I don't like that idea. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| And they were like, I don't think that... | ||
| Let's just wait. | ||
| And they were like, well, there's a thing that we can do, but we have to take a needle. | ||
| They wanted to take a long needle, stick it into his leg, pass the bone into the muscle, and do a pressure test on it. | ||
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What? | |
| And he was like, yeah, I don't like... | ||
| It was crazy because he doesn't like needles, right? | ||
| Dustin hates needles. | ||
| Covered in tattoos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fights for a living, scared of needles. | ||
| I'm the same way about needles, but I don't have the tattoos that kid has. | ||
| But he's just like, I don't want to do that. | ||
| I don't want, like, he's like, no, because the needle, they wanted, it would have been this much inside his shit. | ||
| That much needles. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how long it would have been, but it was, it was, yeah, it wasn't just, like, looking for a vein. | ||
| And they were just testing for pressure? | ||
| They were, like, talking, they were saying they wanted to test. | ||
| Tire gauge in there and shit? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| So, anyway, it didn't happen. | ||
| Dustin started getting frustrated, and they were really pushing for it. | ||
| It was late at night, and I don't think I was helping the situation, because I was like, these guys are probably interns. | ||
| They're probably back there with a chart, and they get bonus points for whatever surgery they get. | ||
| You never know, man. | ||
| People are really skeptical about that kind of stuff. | ||
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But, I mean... | |
| They definitely do surgeries on people that you don't have to. | ||
| Some doctors do. | ||
| It definitely can happen. | ||
| You would hope that you're not running into one of those doctors, but they have done it before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's a doctor that just got arrested recently, and there was a whole story about all the different surgeries that he did that he didn't have to do. | ||
| And including cancer surgeries. | ||
| Like he removed cancer on people that didn't even have cancer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's a scam. | ||
| Doctor starts driving a fat Mercedes. | ||
| Gotta make those payments. | ||
| He should have just got into the plastic surgery business. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| You can talk those crazy ladies into anything. | ||
| Anything and everything. | ||
| You need to take some of that meat out of your butt and put it in your lips. | ||
| Yeah, that's the move. | ||
| Meaty butt lips. | ||
| So, were they icing the shin the entire time? | ||
| They were. | ||
| They had ice on it. | ||
| They had a drip, like a morphine drip to kill the pain. | ||
| Why didn't they just wait a couple days? | ||
| Why do they want to just go right into it right now? | ||
| They wanted to do it that night. | ||
| That seems so weird. | ||
| The reason why they didn't want to wait was because when the nerve damage happens, when the nerves die, that's it. | ||
| They're dead. | ||
| There's no way to bring those things back. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| I wonder if that's right. | ||
| I don't want to be talking shit about the doctors. | ||
| It's not right because... | ||
| Dustin fought again after that, and he's still fighting, and he's fighting in a few weeks. | ||
| Like, when was his leg better? | ||
| Shoot, he got on the plane the next day. | ||
| So I had had, real quick, a little side note. | ||
| I had had some problems. | ||
| I was helping him for that camp, and I had an injury, and I got Tylenol with codeine in it. | ||
| And, man, that stuff, that's powerful medicine. | ||
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| Dustin took me to the hospital. | ||
| I went in. | ||
| I was in so much pain. | ||
| They prescribed that. | ||
| I took one pill. | ||
| About 20 minutes later, this is the first time I was able to relax in three days. | ||
| The pain was so bad. | ||
| When I got to the end of my thing, I had two pills left. | ||
| I was like, I don't need them. | ||
| I'll keep them in case I get hurt again at some point, you know? | ||
| And fortunately I had them because I was like, dude, that pain that you're going through when you get on a plane, because in Japan I had busted my foot and then I had to fly 16 hours and my foot was swelling on the plane. | ||
| It's the pressure of being at high altitude. | ||
| It was miserable. | ||
| It started in my foot and my ankle and it swole up into my shin and all the way down into my toes. | ||
| So I was like, I don't want that to happen to you. | ||
| So it's going to be miserable. | ||
| Just take this with you and take a pill. | ||
| He just took one pill. | ||
| He said it was a great feeling. | ||
| It helped with the flight. | ||
| I got a hold of some of that old school NyQuil back in the day. | ||
| I've only taken it like maybe two or three times ever in my life. | ||
| But the last time I got some was like 20 years ago. | ||
| I took some, I was sick and I took old school NyQuil. | ||
| And I was lying in bed and it was like my bed was just hugging me. | ||
| My bed was made out of love. | ||
| And it was just hugging me. | ||
| And I was like, ah. | ||
| I didn't give a fuck about that cold. | ||
| I was just so relaxed. | ||
| Like, old-school NyQuil's amazing. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| That's codeine, right? | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| I think codeine was a NyQuil. | ||
| Ooh, it was nice. | ||
| Back in the day, Tito Ortiz, I called Tito at one point because I was real sick. | ||
| I had a fight coming up, too. | ||
| And I was like, man, I don't know what to do. | ||
| He's like, here's what you do. | ||
| You take three packs of Theraflu, and you put that in one cup of water, right? | ||
| That's some Huntington Beach doctor talk. | ||
| So he's like, you boil the water, and you pour that, and you put three TAC packs of Theraflu in there. | ||
| I was like, I started to do it, and I was like, man, Tito's a light heavyweight. | ||
| I'm going to do two. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| I'm glad you did that. | ||
| I'm glad I did it too. | ||
| Because I was out for 18 hours. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I laid down, I woke up, and I felt like I just don't want to get up. | ||
| And I slept. | ||
| I was in bed for 18 hours. | ||
| I did wake up feeling better, though. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| And you probably weren't thinking about the cold at all. | ||
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| So the stress was gone, and you're getting that rest. | ||
| You're out cold. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I was laid out. | ||
| That's one of the best arguments for cold medicine, is that they let you go to sleep. | ||
| If I'm sick and miserable, I can't fucking sleep. | ||
| But if you take something, you just fucking... | ||
| Theraflu's a good one. | ||
| It cleans you out like you can breathe, and you just conk the fuck out. | ||
| And isn't that when you... | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| That old-school NyQuil, it had pseudephedrine in it, which is what is used to make meth. | ||
| Oh, Jesus! | ||
| Doesn't meth keep you up, though? | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's a stimulant, yeah. | ||
| It says pseudephedrine. | ||
| I get to Google what it was. | ||
| Yeah, but Sudafed is not NyQuil. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Sudafed's very different. | ||
| Sudafed's a stimulant. | ||
| Sudafed is the stuff that cleans your nose out. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| This is what the original NyQuil had Sudafedrin in it. | ||
| Oh, the original NyQuil. | ||
| The original green death formula NyQuil is behind the pharmacy counter now because, gasp, it has the evil Sudafedrin in it. | ||
| Oh, so you can buy that shit still? | ||
| Some people were looking at it. | ||
| I was finding an article. | ||
| Someone was looking for it in New York. | ||
| That's 2013. I gotta get a good doctor. | ||
| You might be able to find some stuff. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| That stuff fucks you up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You go deep with that stuff. | ||
| I think it's the chemical that it's mixed with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Probably fucks them. | ||
| The pseudofedrine is probably what keeps you alive. | ||
| The codeine wants to drag you down into the grave. | ||
| The pseudephedrine shit keeps you alive. | ||
| That's the thing about sleeping though, right? | ||
| That's when your body, everything else is off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So all your body can do is heal. | ||
| You know what else happens, man? | ||
| You make good decisions. | ||
| Like, that term, sleep on it, that's not a joke. | ||
| There's something about going to sleep with a problem, waking up in the morning, and you have a new perspective. | ||
| You're like, eh, it's not that big a deal. | ||
| Or, eh, it's alright. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Or, you know, maybe I should do something about this. | ||
| Or maybe I should apologize. | ||
| Maybe I should, you know, something about sleeping on something, I don't know what it is, man, but it gives me a truer compass as to which direction I should go. | ||
| There's a thing about that too. | ||
| Sleeping on it, I had to teach myself some things about car mechanics. | ||
| And I had a problem. | ||
| Somebody was like, that's your alternator. | ||
| Because my engine wouldn't stay on. | ||
| I was like, really? | ||
| How much does that cost? | ||
| I was just fighting. | ||
| There was no UFC even on the horizon yet. | ||
| I'm like, how much does that cost? | ||
| I was like, too much. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| He's like, I can do it for you. | ||
| He's like, you can do it? | ||
| I was like, I can't afford that either. | ||
| But if you can do it, I'll figure it out. | ||
| So I went to the store. | ||
| I was like, hey, I need to buy an alternator for this model car. | ||
| They were like, okay. | ||
| They bring it out and they're like... | ||
| They weren't going to give it to me because you have to give them the other one back. | ||
| You have to exchange it. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| At least this is the way it was in 2000, Texas. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But fortunately, one of the managers at that store was one of my students. | ||
| It was right across the street from my gym. | ||
| So he was like, here, you can take it. | ||
| Just bring the alternator back. | ||
| I was like, awesome, because I didn't know what an alternator was. | ||
| My plan was to grab it, go look at my engine, and find the like thing. | ||
| So that's what I did. | ||
| I found the like thing. | ||
| I put it in there. | ||
| I changed it. | ||
| I took the other one back, but I couldn't get the belt on. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I did everything. | ||
| I was trying to do everything. | ||
| And somebody was like, the tensioning bolt. | ||
| And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| And I slept on it. | ||
| I went to bed that night. | ||
| I went to sleep. | ||
| And I woke up. | ||
| Ran downstairs. | ||
| Connected it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Because overnight... | ||
| There was something about being relaxed and not being stressed about trying to find it right now. | ||
| It's right in front of me. | ||
| I'm just away from it and I see the whole engine in my sleep and it's like you put the ratchet in there and you pull on it and that's the tensioning bolt. | ||
| I have a crazy spiritual idea about that. | ||
| I think when you go to sleep you go into the spirit world. | ||
| When you come back you're refreshed. | ||
| I think you live a new life every morning. | ||
| I think you live on the momentum of your past life, but I think you have a new life every morning. | ||
| You just return from the spirit world with the mess that you left behind. | ||
| You gotta clean it up. | ||
| Clean it up and figure it out. | ||
| And like, oh yeah, yeah, I should have just cranked that bolt over there. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It all makes sense. | ||
| There's something to that, because I got some stuff going on now where I'm just like, when I wake up the next day, I'm like, you know what? | ||
| It's not that big of a deal. | ||
| It's not that big of a deal. | ||
| Most things are not that big of a deal. | ||
| If you're still alive and you're walking around and talking, ultimately it's not that big of a deal. | ||
| I give things like the 10-year test. | ||
| If you look back on 10 years, how much of a big deal was this going to be? | ||
| Not that big of a deal. | ||
| It's a fucking alternator. | ||
| Not that big of a deal. | ||
| The 10-year test is a good test. | ||
| Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But people operate on momentum. | ||
| That's a big problem with people. | ||
| You know, like when you go to bed, you wake up in the morning, you just still got the shit that you left behind the day before piling up and bills you got to pay and chores you got to do and all these different tasks that need to get done. | ||
| Like, fuck! | ||
| You can never get behind it. | ||
| It's a good day when you feel like, okay, everything's done, and this day is completely mine. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That's fucking... | ||
| To have a clean slate in your mind in terms of things you need to do, there's no way to underestimate that. | ||
| That's giant. | ||
| You can't under-emphasize how important that is. | ||
| Or over-emphasize, rather. | ||
| I completely agree with that. | ||
| I'm one of those guys, my brain, I feel like as soon as I wake up, first thought leads into the next, into the next, and you can't stay ahead of it. | ||
| And not staying ahead of it, you're kind of being dragged along, being pulled by these thoughts in all these different directions. | ||
| Especially when I'm trying to organize something. | ||
| Sometimes if I don't have a list or something like that, I'm not gonna get... | ||
| If I have five things to do, I'm gonna get one thing done if I don't have a list. | ||
| You know what changed a lot of my life? | ||
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I started working out early in the morning. | |
| My day almost always starts out... | ||
| Today's one of the rare days where it didn't. | ||
| Today I'm going to work out after the podcast. | ||
| But most days I get up in the morning and I work out. | ||
| And the only reason why I didn't do it today is because everyone in my house is sick. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| I wanted to get some sleep. | ||
| My kids are little petri dishes, man. | ||
| They're just always sick. | ||
| Everybody's sick. | ||
| So I'm the only one so far that's been able to fight it off. | ||
| And I woke up yesterday and I'm like, ooh, I got a sore throat. | ||
| Like, it's coming. | ||
| And I fought it off yesterday and I fought it off today. | ||
| I got in the sauna, chilled out. | ||
| But something changed in my life when I started working out in the morning. | ||
| My thought process became clearer. | ||
| It makes more sense. | ||
| Because I clean out my mind when I work out. | ||
| So I get up and the first thing I do is just go work out and clean up my mind. | ||
| My mind gets cleaned up. | ||
| My body's fully elevated in terms of my heart rate got jacked up. | ||
| I'm sweating like a pig. | ||
| I already strained. | ||
| I already pushed. | ||
| I already got over some shit. | ||
| I already made it to the end. | ||
| And then... | ||
| So, there's already a victory by the time it's, you know, 8 a.m. | ||
| That, to me, like, then my day just starts off way better. | ||
| Like, I start off with a clear perspective. | ||
| Yeah, I guess it's similar, especially when I was fighting, because you woke up, get a run in, eat something, head to the gym, you know, and then you train. | ||
| Did you run fasted? | ||
| Yeah, that would be the first thing I did. | ||
| I'd brush my teeth and go for a run. | ||
| I didn't like eating anything. | ||
| This is when you were living in Texas? | ||
| This is whenever. | ||
| Even to this day when I run. | ||
| Especially in Texas because in the summer, you've got to go early in the morning. | ||
| You've got to get in before it turns into a barbecue outside. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But what I was going to say is in Texas, you're mostly flat. | ||
| It's mostly flat. | ||
| Yeah, especially in Houston. | ||
| Austin has some hills, but Houston, the only hills in Houston are the overpasses on the highway. | ||
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Right. | |
| But now that you're out here, man, there's some ferocious trails you can run. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a hill on my street that's a quarter mile. | ||
| Oh, that's miserable. | ||
| Yeah, this is some miserable shit in the Hollywood Hills. | ||
| Like, whoa! | ||
| Yeah, if you wanted to get at the bottom and do some sprints going up it, that's so good for your knees, too. | ||
| Because, you know, you're not really stomping down. | ||
| You know, you're pushing up. | ||
| Yeah, you're pushing up. | ||
| So it's just, it's basically like doing a bunch of lunges. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you feel it in your ass. | ||
| Dude, my ass is way bigger than it used to be. | ||
| Looks good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There was a drill. | ||
| I did this a couple of times. | ||
| They would incline the treadmill to its peak and turn it up to like 10 or 12 and you're sprinting for like 15 seconds. | ||
| That was miserable. | ||
| You'd feel that really, really hard. | ||
| It's great until you fall off. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| How do you get off that fucking thing when you're sprinting? | ||
| You gotta grab the edges and hop. | ||
| Dude, you know what I just started using the other day? | ||
| It's a motherfucker. | ||
| It's that VersaClimber. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Goddamn! | ||
| I've never been on it for an extended period of time. | ||
| Always in a circuit. | ||
| Yeah, I did it in a circuit, too. | ||
| It was the last exercise. | ||
| It's miserable. | ||
| I was like, motherfucker, this thing. | ||
| Like, you do the first two or three strokes. | ||
| You're like, I can get through this. | ||
| And then you're like, 10 in. | ||
| You're like, oh, shit. | ||
| You're like, how much time I got left? | ||
| A minute and 10 seconds. | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| I'm like, I am not gonna make a minute and 10 seconds of this. | ||
| It feels weird because, like, with every stroke, it doesn't... | ||
| It's not heavy or hard to make the stroke. | ||
| It feels like it's nothing, but you're also going nowhere. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's just like you're making this motion. | ||
| And you gotta look up to read the shit. | ||
| You know, you're like, down here like this, like, how is that possible? | ||
| I've only been doing this for 15 seconds. | ||
| You know what, I like that, and there's a thing called the Echo Bike that Rogue makes that I have out here. | ||
| Holy shit, it's an Airdyne, but it's like an Airdyne built for gorillas. | ||
| Like if you're gonna put an Airdyne machine in a fucking gorilla cage, you'd make like this Rogue. | ||
| It's a thick ass fucking steel thing with thick ass handles. | ||
| Everything's like super beefy and jacked up. | ||
| God damn, that thing kicks your ass. | ||
| You gotta show me that. | ||
| I wanna try it. | ||
| It's the shit, man. | ||
| It's the shit. | ||
| I do Tabatas on that. | ||
| So I do 20s and 10s. | ||
| 20 seconds work, 10 second break. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| It's fucking hard, man. | ||
| Those air dye machines look so... | ||
| They look like nothing. | ||
| That's one of those things where you look at it, you're like, how can that be hard? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard too when you alternate. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So you're riding them both together, but you're doing a conditioning workout and your coach is standing right there and you take your feet off of the pedals and you're pumping with your arms. | ||
| That's miserable. | ||
| That's miserable as fuck. | ||
| And I also don't like... | ||
| Not that I don't like it, but one of the in the conditioning workouts the parts that was so hard and kind of draining that I don't know what you call it, but it's the with the hydraulic presses. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's miserable too because every direction Yeah, like there's no rest on that machine. | ||
| Yeah, there's none It's kind of crazy when you go back and look at like old-school strength and conditioning workouts that fighters used to do and You know comparison to all the crazy shit that guys do today Who, which, which camp? | ||
| Well, it's an argument. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| But which camps, I'll go with camps because I feel like there's two, which camps really started that, that, that, the conditioning thing? | ||
| Who were ahead of the game? | ||
| I always think of ATT. I always think of them because they were like, when Lambert created that place, Dan Lambert, the fucking man, that guy, that guy's done a lot for MMA and doesn't get his horn blown enough. | ||
| Yeah, he has. | ||
| With all due respect. | ||
| He put a shit ton of money in the American Top Team, and one of the things that they did about it was make it a full... | ||
| Like, they have everything. | ||
| They have great wrestling coaches, great striking coaches, great jiu-jitsu, huge facility, everything state-of-the-art. | ||
| And I always felt like those guys were at a very high level early on. | ||
| Like, I remember, Tiago Alves was making weight. | ||
| This was back when, like, Tiago Alves was a gorilla, man. | ||
| Remember how big he was at 170? | ||
| Remember when he fought Matthew and he didn't make the weight and he looked like he weighed about 400 pounds? | ||
| He didn't even look like a human, man. | ||
| He was so jacked. | ||
| Well, he was making weight once and it was a fight that they did, I think it was at the Hard Rock. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| But it was somewhere where they had, maybe it was at the Palms, somewhere where they had the smaller ring, I think. | ||
| I don't know why I remember this. | ||
| But what I remember was, he was warming up for that day's fight. | ||
| He had made weight, and then after making weight, they had a workout that they would do to put weight back on him. | ||
| And one of the things that they would do was really burn him out. | ||
| So they had him. | ||
| He was in the gym. | ||
| I wish he was here. | ||
| I could ask him exactly what this was, because I'm talking many years ago. | ||
| And he goes through this really hard pad workout. | ||
| It's like ba-ba-ba-bam! | ||
| Ba-ba-ba-bam! | ||
| Ba-ba-ba-bam! | ||
| And they were saying they wanted to pump everything up full of blood, and then they fill him up with carbs. | ||
| And it would just, everything would blow back up. | ||
| So like the muscles get super dehydrated because he's draining himself out big time. | ||
| You know, he was walking around north of 200 pounds, cutting down to 170. And then after the weight cut, they would swell him back up again. | ||
| So they got to put 30 pounds back on him in 24 hours. | ||
| And that was one of the methods that they used was exercise followed by fuel. | ||
| I guess it kind of makes sense, but it also confuses me. | ||
| Confused me too, because I'm a dummy. | ||
| And I was listening to him talking about this. | ||
| I was like, okay, okay, why is this? | ||
| Like, what's happening? | ||
| How are you doing this? | ||
| I get the principle that you're saying, but what's the science behind it? | ||
| Because that's where I'm at. | ||
| Science, he looks like a gorilla when he fights. | ||
| He really put that weight back on well. | ||
| And they had Gleason, and nobody is bigger at 155 than Gleason Tebow. | ||
| Gleason Tebow looks like a fucking light heavyweight. | ||
| He's so big, and somehow or another he makes it down to 55. Like, when he gets on the scale, it's like Yoel Romero. | ||
| When he gets on the scale, you're like, okay, am I... Seeing something wrong? | ||
| Like, how is that 185? | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| Like, I'm watching him weigh in. | ||
| He is 185. The guy says 185. He steps off, and you're like, what in the fuck am I seeing? | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Like, with T-Bow, I've been in the locker room with T-Bow a couple of times at ATT, and I'm like, hey, T-Bow, what are you weighing right now, man? | ||
| He's like, oh, my friend, like, 190. I'm like... | ||
| You're not 190. Get on the scale. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He don't want to get on the scale. | ||
| I guarantee you he's like 210. Get out of here, that 190. He's so big. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| Yeah, look how big he is. | ||
| Look at the fucking size of that guy! | ||
| That's a 155 pounder. | ||
| Look at the size of him! | ||
| And he's, you know, 5'8", 5'9". | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Built like a tank. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| He's so strong, dude. | ||
| He's the most diesel guy that I've ever seen at 155. Like, that is about as thick as... | ||
| I mean, there's no room for error there. | ||
| And he made weight a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he might have missed it. | ||
| He missed it like once or twice. | ||
| But most of the time, T-Bow made weight. | ||
| It was miserable for him. | ||
| Well, go back to that one picture that you just showed. | ||
| Oh, it's him fighting somebody. | ||
| No, no, that one right there. | ||
| That's Traktor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, not Traktor. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He just fought... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Why can't I... I know who you're talking about. | ||
| Brazilian cat. | ||
| Masaromba. | ||
| What's his crazy... | ||
| Masaromba. | ||
| Yeah, what is that crazy nickname? | ||
| Goddamn it. | ||
| Why can't I remember his name? | ||
| Same here. | ||
| Trinaldo. | ||
| Francisco Trinaldo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trinaldo fought 85 at UFC Brazil. | ||
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They both did. | |
| Did he fight 85? | ||
| Tebao fought 85, I believe. | ||
| I know he fought Nick Diaz also at 70. Crazy. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I don't know if Tebao fought in the UFC at 85, though. | ||
| No, I don't think he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you were saying that thing about what you said about ATT, I agree, but I mean even further back than that. | ||
| The earliest guys? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Frank Shamrock was one of the earliest guys. | ||
| Frank Shamrock and Miletic and those guys. | ||
| Frank Shamrock was the guy who really figured out conditioning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how he beat Tito the first time. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| He was so small in that fight. | ||
| He was tiny, man. | ||
| He was like 190 in that fight. | ||
| Tito was a gorilla. | ||
| He was a big fella. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wore his ass out. | ||
| That was when the weight class was 200 pounds, too. | ||
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Yeah, you had to make 199. Yeah, that was the early days. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It was very different back then, man. | ||
| I was scrolling through Fight Pass, watching the entire events. | ||
| Then I get down to 2,000. | ||
| You're scrolling through and it's like 2017. It has all these events across the screen. | ||
| You got to scroll. | ||
| 16, the same thing. | ||
| 15, it starts going down. | ||
| You get to 10. It's like, it's still less, but you still got to scroll across the screen. | ||
| Then you get to like 7. You get to like 8 and it's like 5 events. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 5 events. | ||
| 5 events. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like... | ||
| I have 21 UFC fights under my belt, but there were five UFCs a year back then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like now there's like two months you get like six, seven, seven cards. | ||
| Well, I always felt like you got fucked and Josh Thompson and a lot of guys in your era because they cut out the 55 pound division for a long time and then you went out and fought up Bodog and all these other organizations. | ||
| There was no 55 for how many years? | ||
| Quite a few. | ||
| Yeah, like 2004 to 2005 to like 2010 for sure. | ||
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Damn! | |
| Because it didn't come back until The Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| Yeah, like that's when Gilbert and Josh Thompson were having those epic wars over in Strikeforce. | ||
| Strikeforce, yeah. | ||
| It's like those years, like there was those guys, like you, Thompson, I feel like Gilbert staked his claim in the UFC and had some epic fights in the UFC, but I honestly don't think we see the same Gilbert that we saw in Strikeforce. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| No one can say better than you, because you've been in there, how much those wars will just take out of you. | ||
| They will. | ||
| And a guy like the wars that Gilbert and Josh went through at Strikeforce. | ||
| And then Gilbert is that kind of guy. | ||
| He's just like his fight with Diego. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| They're not backing down. | ||
| And they got the chins to take it. | ||
| There's not a lot of guys that can take it like that. | ||
| I haven't been in a lot of wars that were back and forth. | ||
| Even if the fight had some attrition, a lot of times I was winning the striking battle and I wasn't taking as many shots as those guys have taken. | ||
| And you have to have a chin to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I couldn't imagine to this day having been in... | ||
| I have like... | ||
| My record shows like 60-something fights. | ||
| I have like 80-plus fights overall, and I still look at some of those fights like Diego and Gilbert, and I'm like, man, I'm so glad. | ||
| Joe, I remember as a kid, I was laying on my couch watching Vernon White and Pancras, and I'm laying there watching, and he's getting his ass beat. | ||
| And he gets to the third round, and he turns it around, knocks the guy out, right? | ||
| And I'm like, I roll off of the couch, I get on my knees, and I'm like, God, please let me have fights like that. | ||
| That's the kind of fights I want to have. | ||
| Please, please, please. | ||
| I'm like, this young kid, you know, and I want to do that. | ||
| I want to have epic fights like that, right? | ||
| But now that I'm done, and I'm looking back at it, There are times I watch that stout fight, and when I get hit, I'm just like, oh, it hurts. | ||
| It didn't hurt then, but it hurts now. | ||
| I feel a slight physical pain from it. | ||
| Not like it breaks my heart. | ||
| Yeah, that part will always hurt. | ||
| But I mean, that looks brutal. | ||
| It looks painful. | ||
| It's not, but it looks that way. | ||
| But you know those fights with Gilbert and... | ||
| Diego, when they're still in it, that shit hurts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, Gilbert didn't have to fight him that way. | ||
| That's why it was so crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because Gilbert decided to use his skills and fight a technical fight. | ||
| He would have been, you know, he was the better fighter, technically at the time. | ||
| But he just said, fuck it, let's go to war. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's just not a whole lot of people that are willing to do that. | ||
| I think that's what it is. | ||
| Like my fight with Aaron Reilly, I was able to figure him out and I could pick him apart. | ||
| And Aaron is the kind of guy who would go to war with you. | ||
| If I figured you out, I'm not going to go to war. | ||
| I'm not giving you a chance. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't have to prove to anybody else how much of a man I am. | ||
| And on the other side of that, I don't like getting hit. | ||
| That shit's nonsense. | ||
| That prove how much of a man you are by getting hit. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| I like when guys like Gilbert choose to go crazy and go to war. | ||
| But that's on him. | ||
| That's because he wants to. | ||
| That is on him. | ||
| But you know, there's a guy who did something like that, and he was willing to go to war, but you can see he still kept his technique when he went to war. | ||
| And I'm talking about Max Holloway with Lamas, when he was right here, right now. | ||
| He started trading, but he wasn't just sitting in the pocket trading. | ||
| He was throwing his, getting out, coming back, getting some, and getting out. | ||
| And that's how you do that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, you don't just sit there and go, okay, I got mine, now you get yours. | ||
| Yeah, just bite down that mouthpiece and wing punches. | ||
| Yeah, that, I mean, that's Diego's specialty. | ||
| Diego's the best blood and guts fighter ever. | ||
| I mean, every single fight he's ever had is blood and guts. | ||
| I always go back to his fight with Martin Kampman. | ||
| Lost the first two rounds, he's got his face hanging off, like, literally like a zombie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he's chasing after Martin Cameron, and he wins the third round. | ||
| Wins the third round against Ellenberger. | ||
| He's fighting Ellenberger, who's at the time, you know, a strong, powerful 170. Big puncher. | ||
| Diego's got his back in the third round. | ||
| He's beating him up. | ||
| I mean, that's just blood and guts. | ||
| That guy's got more blood and guts than virtually, like, 99% of the population of the planet Earth. | ||
| Diego is one of those guys, too, that... | ||
| He's a scary individual when you look at him as like, okay, that's a potential opponent, especially in his prime. | ||
| But away from that, especially now, when he fought Riggs, I feel like... | ||
| Those two kind of personalities, they're just going to be at each other all the time. | ||
| And you feel like that's how they're going to be always. | ||
| But a guy like Diego, look at what he's doing with the guys in Albuquerque. | ||
| I forget the guy's name, but he's helping out that guy that... | ||
| He's a big UFC fan. | ||
| The Down Syndrome guy? | ||
| I don't remember how old he is. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| But he's committed to this. | ||
| And it's not like, hey, check me out. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No, he does it all the time. | ||
| He's with the guy all the time. | ||
| I like Diego, man. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He's a very good dude. | ||
| Yeah, that Riggs fight was crazy, too, because Riggs never thought that Diego was going to KO him. | ||
| He stepped in and KO'd him with the right hook early in the fight, too. | ||
| And Riggs is one of those guys that, see, I don't think that he ever totally showed in the octagon what he was capable of in the gym. | ||
| And he also is a guy that peaked during the Rich Franklin era. | ||
| When he fought Matt Hughes, didn't he miss weight when he fought for the title? | ||
| He missed weight against Matt Hughes and Matt Hughes Kimura'd him. | ||
| But what I'd always heard is that Joe Riggs in the gym was a world beater. | ||
| People would spar with him and they'd be like, holy shit, Joe Riggs is a world champion. | ||
| He's that good. | ||
| And that he would be dusting up all these really high-level guys in the gym. | ||
| There's something though about being in the gym, and I know you know this, but the thing about being in the gym versus being inside the octagon, it's that the stakes are real now. | ||
| Like in the gym, a lot of guys will open up more because you can't really lose there. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| But when you're in the fight itself, you... | ||
| You don't want to pull all the triggers because if this bullet misses, I'm exposed. | ||
| I got no defense to that. | ||
| So you're not putting everything on the table that you would in the gym because the risk is so much greater. | ||
| And I think that's where the guys who can perform, who step up to the game, I believe that's the aspect that they have to their game that's missing from some of these guys who are world beaters in the gym, but they just can't bring it to the field. | ||
| Yeah, it's a mental strength, for sure. | ||
| And it's confidence in your technique and the outcome. | ||
| Some people think that the world's against them. | ||
| There's an attitude that some people have, like, ah, it never works out for me. | ||
| Ah, fucking, I can't catch a break. | ||
| But it's interesting, because those are the guys that can't catch a break. | ||
| And you always wonder, what came first, the chicken or the egg? | ||
| Is it the attitude that is making their life this... | ||
| Impossible puzzle to solve or is it they just got they just keep getting shitty rolls of the dice I think it's the attitude probably it's like It's a snowball effect from the very first decisions you make real early on Especially when competing you know like everybody knows that there's times where you can quit Everybody knows there's times where you you know you didn't train as hard or you didn't push as hard you didn't and some people Some people don't learn. | ||
| They have those moments, like when you're a little kid, and maybe you're wrestling or something like that, and you got scared, and you didn't perform well, and then you go back and go, okay, that sucked. | ||
| I don't want to do that again. | ||
| I've got to figure out how to fucking toughen up, or I've got to figure out how to just perform. | ||
| And some people just don't. | ||
| Some people just run away from it. | ||
| They never see that thing again. | ||
| Yeah, it's like the weird little moments in fights that you could see happening where guys are exhausted, but they dig down. | ||
| You know what fight I always call upon? | ||
| Like, here's a dude who's got impossible mental strength. | ||
| Darren Elkins. | ||
| Mursad Bektik. | ||
| Mursad Bektik is lighting him up like a Christmas tree in Times Square. | ||
| I mean, he's just fucking him up. | ||
| He is on point. | ||
| He looks like a future champion. | ||
| He looks fantastic. | ||
| Darren Elkins won't stop. | ||
| He won't stop. | ||
| He keeps coming. | ||
| He keeps coming. | ||
| He's absorbing punches. | ||
| He's covered in blood. | ||
| He's getting punched and kicked and shinned and fucking elbowed. | ||
| Keeps coming. | ||
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Boom! | |
| He catches him. | ||
| You see Bektik wobbling. | ||
| You're like, oh no! | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Head kick. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| Darren Elkins is pounding him out and then the referee stops the fight. | ||
| And then Elkins steps off him. | ||
| He's like, rawr! | ||
| It's like, God damn! | ||
| That is the reward for having indomitable spirit. | ||
| That is the kind of victory cry that you only get when you went through hell. | ||
| And you did not give up. | ||
| Yeah, that fight itself, after the second, I believe it was, you just like, this should be stopped. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This should be stopped. | ||
| There's no chance. | ||
| And I don't really want to watch him get beat up as much. | ||
| So I'm like tweeting about the fight and watching and I'm looking back and forth and then holy fuck. | ||
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The side's upside down. | |
| I love that guy. | ||
| And then Elkins chokes out Michael Johnson. | ||
| He shows people he's got skills. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| There it is right here. | ||
| I mean, Mursad Bektik was super fucking talented. | ||
| And undefeated coming into this fight. | ||
| Darren was covered in blood. | ||
| And he got crucifixed here. | ||
| And he's getting smashed with punches and elbows. | ||
| But Elkin, he's just one of those guys. | ||
| Darren just doesn't give up, man. | ||
| And the other thing about Massad is, I've trained with Massad. | ||
| Massad trains hard. | ||
| His conditioning, look at that. | ||
| His conditioning is on point. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at that scream, man. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| You know there's another scream like that? | ||
| When Kat Zingano beat Amanda Nunes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's another one like that. | ||
| I don't remember her victory. | ||
| Dude, that one is bone chilling. | ||
| You hear the scream, you're like, whoa. | ||
| Like it gets your hair. | ||
| I got goosebumps just thinking about it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Listen to that. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| That meant a lot to her, man. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| You can hear it. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| That's some shit you can't fake. | ||
| There's something about what you were saying, though, about people walking away from these things. | ||
| It makes me think of a kid. | ||
| Sorry, this is going to be a bunch of things tied into one thing, but... | ||
| Babies when they're first born like first thing that come out of baby usually cry right right and it's like My thought on that is like, this is the first time they've felt anything outside of that womb, right? | ||
| And they don't know what pain is, like a pain tolerance. | ||
| The first time you got kicked, it hurt a lot more than it does now, right? | ||
| So like every sensation is new for them, right? | ||
| And then you're growing up and you grow up to be these people and your parents are telling you you can do anything. | ||
| But at the same time, they're telling you don't do that, right? | ||
| So it's like the mind is, your brain is this blank slate when you're born. | ||
| And you get all these different influences. | ||
| And this goes back to the people that are like, I can't catch a break, I can't catch a break. | ||
| It's like, are we doing this right for so many people to have this attitude? | ||
| Where is that coming from? | ||
| Because there are so many people like that. | ||
| And then there are people that are like that at times. | ||
| But they can either come out of it and start having good things, and then they go back into it, and they bounce back and forth. | ||
| But why are people the way they are? | ||
| The human mind, to me, is the most amazing, confusing. | ||
| It's everything, but there's no rules. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, everybody's different. | ||
| Everybody's similar, but everybody's different. | ||
| And your attitude has a giant effect, not just on your life, but on other people's lives around you. | ||
| That's the other thing about it. | ||
| Those I can't catch a break guys, get them the fuck away from me. | ||
| I can't be around those guys. | ||
| I don't want to hear that shit. | ||
| I don't want to hear that shit. | ||
| I don't buy it. | ||
| Because everybody has bad breaks. | ||
| I've had a shit ton of bad breaks. | ||
| But you know what I did? | ||
| I stayed up. | ||
| And I thought through it. | ||
| And I figured out what the fuck I did wrong, and then I went back. | ||
| It's like, I fucked up everything I've ever done a hundred times. | ||
| There's no other way to do it. | ||
| And I've had a bunch of shitty breaks. | ||
| Everybody has. | ||
| But you've got to realize when you have those shitty breaks what that is. | ||
| It's an opportunity for you to reassess, reboot, get better, figure out another way, find another way through. | ||
| It's just little challenges. | ||
| And the people that look at those challenges and go, why do I always have these challenges? | ||
| They're cancer. | ||
| Those people are dangerous to be around. | ||
| They will rob you of your enthusiasm. | ||
| They don't give you any fuel. | ||
| They're the opposite of fuel. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The fuel people are the people that are kicking ass, the people that are out there just fucking hustling, always, always getting things done. | ||
| My friend Jocko, every morning I'll check his Instagram page, 4.30, shows a picture of his watch, get after it. | ||
| He's out there working out 4.30 in the morning. | ||
| He does it every fucking morning. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he doesn't want to. | ||
| That's how you do it. | ||
| You go and get after it. | ||
| You don't make any excuses. | ||
| And those kind of guys are fuel. | ||
| But those I can't catch a break guys, they're the opposite of fuel. | ||
| They're just pissing on your fire. | ||
| They're no fun. | ||
| And the people that surround them are all idiots. | ||
| Because only idiots want to be around I can't catch a break guys. | ||
| Only the dummies stick around. | ||
| After a while, even if they're your good friend, you gotta be like, bro, you gotta fucking stop. | ||
| You gotta stop with all this I can't catch a break bullshit. | ||
| All the time you're complaining, you could be instead hustling. | ||
| You could be instead chasing your dream. | ||
| You could be instead figuring out what you're doing wrong, trying to prove certain aspects of your life, getting your shit together, reading a book, meditating, something! | ||
| Fucking something! | ||
| But this I can't catch a break shit is not helping anybody, and it pushes everybody away from you. | ||
| But some people, they get caught in that pattern. | ||
| And it might be their parents. | ||
| It might be how they were raised. | ||
| Somebody might have told them they were useless real early on. | ||
| It stuck. | ||
| And they just, they always, they never feel like they get enough reassurance. | ||
| They never feel like they get enough motivation. | ||
| And they feel like other people get more. | ||
| And they look at all these other people. | ||
| How come he gets that? | ||
| How come she gets this? | ||
| How come he's got that going on? | ||
| And that, all that's bad for you too. | ||
| That shit ain't no good for you. | ||
| How much of that is tied into... | ||
| Not paying attention to yourself. | ||
| Not knowing yourself. | ||
| How much of that is tied into you always on... | ||
| Your brain always outside of yourself. | ||
| You're flooding your brain with TV or Instagram or this or that. | ||
| Not something that... | ||
| Even reading a book, I believe, is different when you're watching TV, what you're watching. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you're watching something that has a message where you have to think, where you can see yourself in that and you can put yourself in these situations and you're like, oh, well, I can empathize with that or I can this. | ||
| But when you're just watching, oh... | ||
| Spending money on cars and making it rain and this and that. | ||
| I wonder how much of that because the thing that I've found is entertainment isn't what it used to be. | ||
| I'm going to sound old as shit right now. | ||
| Back in my day, entertainment wasn't what it is now. | ||
| Now it's just bright lights and flash and bombs versus something that you could actually feel. | ||
| I feel like it's a lot less of that. | ||
| Well, there's some entertainment that you could feel, like TV shows. | ||
| You could watch Black Mirror. | ||
| That'll freak the fuck out of you and make you think. | ||
| There's still some good shit that's being made. | ||
| Stranger Things. | ||
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There's a lot of good shows. | |
| But you have to go find it so much more. | ||
| I feel like the bigger things, the things that most people have access to... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that's what it is. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But is it that they have more access to that or is that the easiest thing to consume? | ||
| It's very easy to consume. | ||
| It's mindless. | ||
| And everybody wants cars. | ||
| Ooh, look at the car. | ||
| Everybody wants money. | ||
| Look at his money. | ||
| You know, it's like you just get sucked up in it. | ||
| And it's a very low level frequency that everybody sort of has like a little bit of it. | ||
| And you see some dude with his open shirt, all these chains, and he's... | ||
| All these girls behind them in their underwear. | ||
| Everybody's dancing. | ||
| It's like, this guy's life's a party. | ||
| I wish my life is a party. | ||
| I can't catch a fucking break. | ||
| I'm over here. | ||
| I can't catch a break. | ||
| It's cool sometimes, you know? | ||
| Yeah, sometimes. | ||
| Silly. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There's a point. | ||
| You know who's a deep guy? | ||
| Fucking Schilling. | ||
| Schilling's a very deep guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he pointed this out to me. | ||
| Through a different way, but there's a point where everything becomes a bad thing. | ||
| There's a point where humility is a bad thing. | ||
| There's a point where having fun is a bad thing. | ||
| It's like you can't... | ||
| Eating doesn't... | ||
| Isn't always a pleasure. | ||
| If you're constantly eating, if you're never hungry, you don't appreciate it as much as if you were hungry. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Because if you're starving and they feed you and you're full and you have to keep eating, that's not fun. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So there's this moderation thing that I feel that's missing and I'm trying to find that balance myself, man. | ||
| With what? | ||
| With life. | ||
| With a bunch of different things. | ||
| With how much time I spend doing this versus this. | ||
| Especially now that I'm not fighting. | ||
| Because that was, for a long time, that was the biggest part of my days. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Just training and everything else. | ||
| And now, I still get to train. | ||
| But I have more time. | ||
| And a lot of time by myself in my own head. | ||
| So I'm back to reading a little more. | ||
| Wasn't Schilling the guy that exposed that crying kid? | ||
| Yes for being a racist and his family was already and then his mother said something like Contacted shilling about keeping money in the what with the whites or some shit Yeah, Joe was um Joe reached out cuz he wanted that he wanted to you know He wants like bring the kid out or train him to a Bellator event. | ||
| Yeah kid the kid it was a Viral we shouldn't put the kid up, but he's a little kid I don't feel like we should give the kid any more exposure or anything like that. | ||
| Because the kid didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was just crying about being bullied. | ||
| And everybody was like, oh, this poor kid. | ||
| Now, I don't know the part of his part in the bullying thing. | ||
| But what we're talking about is his mom's conversation with Joe. | ||
| And that's where it got twisted. | ||
| And was that proven that it was his mom? | ||
| It definitely wasn't someone trolling? | ||
| Do we know that? | ||
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No. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Everything is fucking a mystery today. | ||
| Up is down, down is up. | ||
| There's a lot of trolls out there, man. | ||
| I feel like there's been reports that it was, and there's reports that it wasn't, and I didn't pay so much attention to it that I could be positive as to what the ruling was. | ||
| But... | ||
| The conversation that she had with Joe was... | ||
| Joe reached out to bring him out and she was like, look, I'm just trying to put some money in this account, basically. | ||
| And Joe was like, hey, I'm trying to give him something more valuable than money. | ||
| And... | ||
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She said something else. | |
| She wanted a link to the GoFundMe. | ||
| GoFundMe. | ||
| And then there was something else. | ||
| Joe said, like, what's the money going to? | ||
| Like, you can't cure bullion with money. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I forgot how it turned to racial stuff. | ||
| Something about keeping the money in the whites. | ||
| Yeah, it was something along those lines. | ||
| Yeah, she said that. | ||
| But I don't know, like, why did she even bring that up? | ||
| Like, what in Joe's context made her go to that card? | ||
| White dude, shaved head, covered in tattoos. | ||
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She took a chance. | |
| Ha ha ha! | ||
| She took a chance. | ||
| She took a chance. | ||
| She's like, white power. | ||
| White power? | ||
| What do we got? | ||
| She went fishing. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Maybe she's just a fucking dummy. | ||
| I mean, the family has Confederate flags and shit and some of their photos. | ||
| That's still on the flag, the state flag in Mississippi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| See, that's crazy to me because, like, I didn't grow up knowing about that. | ||
| Like, as a kid in the Bahamas, like, I didn't even know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I knew of the Confederacy. | ||
| When did you come to America? | ||
| I came at 15. Ah, yeah. | ||
| So, like, you know, the years when everything's being set, I was in the Bahamas. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, into your brain. | ||
| So, when I got here, like, I still had no idea what the Confederate flag was. | ||
| I told these people, it's like... | ||
| I didn't know a lot of U.S. history, you know? | ||
| We learned Bahamian history in the Bahamas. | ||
| And when I got here, I didn't know anything about that. | ||
| The Confederate flag didn't mean anything to me until I was in my 20s, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And in Texas, to this day, my daughter, where she lives, where her house is, maybe like four miles away, I was visiting. | ||
| And they're on the corner with a trailer out, and they've got Confederate flags. | ||
| For sale? | ||
| For sale. | ||
| On the corner, just line up. | ||
| They have them out, you know, just line up and flying. | ||
| People still drive around. | ||
| I was in Florida with Dustin and we were driving and there was a truck with a U.S. flag posted on the back and Confederate flag. | ||
| Not like posted on the car, I mean on a flagpole. | ||
| They're flying the flagpole as they're driving. | ||
| So this is a real thing. | ||
| Even if you love the South, the South needs a new flag. | ||
| You can't have a flag. | ||
| I got no problem with you loving the South. | ||
| The South's got a lot of great qualities. | ||
| You guys need a new flag. | ||
| You can't have the flag of the dudes who are fighting for slavery. | ||
| You can't have that anymore. | ||
| Joe, they weren't fighting for slavery. | ||
| That's just what they tell you. | ||
| Yeah, that argument is a piss-poor argument. | ||
| That falls apart. | ||
| That argument is one of the shittiest arguments and people try to soldier up and use big words and try to repackage that argument. | ||
| They wanted slavery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Economics. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Slavery. | ||
| They wanted people to work for free. | ||
| That's like a big part of what it was. | ||
| There was a lot of other shit going on as well. | ||
| That was a big part of it. | ||
| That was a huge part of it. | ||
| And I mean, it's representative in the laws that came right after slavery was abolished. | ||
| Did you know that there's a reason why, you know, when people think about people from the South, people think of them as being like slack-jawed and kind of stupid. | ||
| That's like the worst stereotype, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Southern people, like, oh, how you doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was a hookworm epidemic in the South for years where a substantial portion of the population had hookworm where they were walking around barefoot and they got shit in their feet and those parasites infected their brain and compromised the way they think and severely diminishes your level of thinking. | ||
| So does that... | ||
| Pull that shit up, Jamie. | ||
| That came out of a podcast, right? | ||
| Didn't someone bring it up to us? | ||
| I feel like it was Rhonda Pat. | ||
| No? | ||
| Was it Rhonda? | ||
| Someone like that? | ||
| Some smarty pants? | ||
| When that happens, however that affects your brain, does that pass on? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| Does it change your DNA? I bet it does. | ||
| I bet everything changes your DNA. Here it goes. | ||
| How a worm gave the South a bad name. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Make this shit a little bigger. | ||
| For more than three centuries, a plague of unshakable lethargy blanketed the American South. | ||
| It began with ground itch, a prickly tingling in the tender webs between the toes, soon followed by a dry cough. | ||
| Weeks later, victims succumbed to an insatiable exhaustion and an impenetrable haziness of the mind that some called stupidity. | ||
| Adults neglected their fields. | ||
| And children grew pale and listless. | ||
| Victims developed grossly distended bellies and angel wings, emaciated shoulder blades accentuated by hunching. | ||
| All gazed out dully from sunken sockets with a telltale fisheye stare. | ||
| The culprit behind the germ of laziness of the South's affliction was sometimes called, was Nicator Americanis. | ||
| The American murderer. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Better known today as the hookworm. | ||
| Millions of those blood-sucking parasites lived, fed, multiplied, and died within the guts of up to 40% of the population stretching from southeastern Texas to West Virginia. | ||
| Hookworms stymied development throughout the region and bred stereotypes about lazy, moronic southerners. | ||
| So, as you're reading that, fuck. | ||
| Yeah, that's gross. | ||
| I remember learning about hookworms as a kid in the Bahamas, but as you're reading that, I'm like, you know what? | ||
| Maybe, I go through this whole thing in my brain as you're reading. | ||
| Maybe if they didn't do what they did to Native Americans, because those guys had moccasins, and they probably had moccasins because they learned about this a couple hundred years ago. | ||
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Ha! | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No shit, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If anybody was going to be barefoot, it'd be the Native Americans. | ||
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Right. | |
| And they're like, no, dog. | ||
| Not a good move. | ||
| Got to cover your feet, man. | ||
| This bunch of shit gets in there and gets stupid and can't figure out how to find the buffalo anymore. | ||
| That's where sharing information comes in handy, man. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a real good point. | ||
| Because I always think that when I see those survivor dudes that like to walk around barefoot, those crazy dudes that get the thick calluses in the bottom of their feet. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| And the idea is that, you know, like, hey, if the world goes to shit, you're going to need to be able to walk barefoot. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe you make shoes, you fuck. | ||
| There's a bunch of shoes in warehouses in the world. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Would you run out of shoes? | ||
| I mean, if you found out the world was going to end and you bought 20 pairs of shoes, that might last you until you're dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Depends on what you're doing. | ||
| What kind of hiking. | ||
| If you're running a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Burn through those. | ||
| You're going to have to be on your feet more because you got hunting now. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You're going to have to be hiking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe you need more than 20. You don't need more than 50. 50 pairs of shoes for life. | ||
| Probably repurpose some too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's what the Native Americans did, right? | ||
| Yeah, moccasins. | ||
| They used every piece of the buffalo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were smart, too, because they didn't develop. | ||
| I'm on this barefoot running kick. | ||
| I run with barefoot shoes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I either run with those Vibram five fingers, which are my favorite, but when it gets muddy out, those don't have a lot of traction. | ||
| And I like this other company called Vivo Barefoot. | ||
| Plus, you don't look as dorky. | ||
| The five fingers ones, you're committing to the project, right? | ||
| You gotta walk around with gloves on your feet. | ||
| People mock you mercilessly, like Jamie. | ||
| He mocks me mercilessly. | ||
| But the Vivo barefoot ones are just like, they just have no padding. | ||
| But they have good tractions. | ||
| I like running in those, too. | ||
| But when you run in something that has no padding at all, all the muscles in your foot develop because your toes have to work and push. | ||
| Whereas, like, these things are way stiffer than what I run with most of the time. | ||
| These things are hard, man. | ||
| It's like a cast. | ||
| Like this shit is like a cast for your foot, you know? | ||
| And so the idea is when your foot is in those kind of like a normal running shoe, it's not really squishing and pushing and you're all your muscles aren't getting activated. | ||
| And so they're just not as strong. | ||
| They're just they're just weaker, you know, and that it's not good for anything. | ||
| It's not good for your balance. | ||
| It's not it's not optimum. | ||
| I mean, it's better to run with running shoes on than not run. | ||
| But in terms of like foot strength and like just maximize your ability to move correctly and have good balance, it's not nearly as good. | ||
| You can feel it too. | ||
| When I first started doing MMA for a long time, until I went down to Florida and was at American Top Team, there were certain things that I didn't do without shoes on. | ||
| Like, if we were kickboxing, I would put on shins and I would wear my wrestling shoes. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| I just didn't like wrestling without my toes out like that. | ||
| Especially when I was throwing kicks. | ||
| But over time, I got more comfortable with it. | ||
| But over time, getting more comfortable with it, I could feel the difference when I would have my shoes on versus not having my shoes on. | ||
| And I felt more dexterous. | ||
| I felt more agile. | ||
| I felt more in connection with... | ||
| You know, with the ground. | ||
| That's what I was doing. | ||
| Yeah, that's legit. | ||
| That's, I mean, that's what I do with these barefoot running shoes. | ||
| I mean, I believe in them, 100%. | ||
| I think there's a bunch of good companies that make them. | ||
| Morrell makes some good ones, too. | ||
| But I just feel like we have too much padding on our shoes. | ||
| I lift weights and do everything else totally barefoot. | ||
| I just feel like... | ||
| Or I wear like... | ||
| I like Chucks, like Converse All-Stars. | ||
| Those are good too. | ||
| Because they're just flat. | ||
| Those are good for lifting weights sometimes if I want a little bit more. | ||
| But most of the time I do it barefoot. | ||
| I would say 99% of the time I do it barefoot. | ||
| I think it's just better for your feet. | ||
| I just think the same thing what I was saying with gloves and punching. | ||
| I just think it's unnatural. | ||
| It's unnatural to have a bunch of shit underneath your foot. | ||
| Your foot's not designed for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you say that, I start thinking about how people are designed and what people are designed for. | ||
| Thoughts, and they go everywhere. | ||
| Sometimes my thoughts run into another. | ||
| Hey, that's a good idea. | ||
| They come together, right? | ||
| But when you say that, I start thinking about when we talk about changing your DNA, where we started with the hookworm thing, and your feet. | ||
| If you take someone from an area that is... | ||
| Where they have to be agile. | ||
| And you take them to a place where you just have to be strong. | ||
| You take a child from the agile area and you make him grow up in an area where you have to be strong, physically strong. | ||
| How does that child fare in that environment as he's growing up? | ||
| Does he adapt... | ||
| Not as fast as the people that already have those traits, but does he adapt and be able to survive? | ||
| And then can he go back to that agile lifestyle and take some of that strength? | ||
| Depends on how big he gets. | ||
| If you were talking like strongman strength, those guys are not known for their agility. | ||
| They're giant. | ||
| There's a trade-off for sure. | ||
| There's a power trade-off. | ||
| You know, that's one of the things that's so terrifying about Francis Ngannou, is that he's 270 pounds, cuts down to 265, but he moves like a panther. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like he's not missing anything. | ||
| Like, you know what I mean? | ||
| He's got ridiculous power, but he's also fast as fuck. | ||
| Like, that left hook that he hit over him with, it's like, Jesus! | ||
| That's like a welterweight's left hook. | ||
| Fast as fuck! | ||
| But he's hitting you like a nuclear weapon. | ||
| It's just a different kind of power on his punches, a different kind of power in his body, but he also has the ability to move fast like a smaller person. | ||
| Most of the time when you get a really powerful person, there's some sort of compromise that has to be made. | ||
| But what happens when a guy like Francis Ngannou, you develop his wrestling so that it's like a Cain Vlasquez? | ||
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| Could you, though, at 33? | ||
| Like, that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how much does he not like to wrestle? | ||
| Because that was the word that I had heard, is that he wasn't doing any groundwork. | ||
| There was very little groundwork being done. | ||
| They were just trying to keep the fight standing. | ||
| The problem with that is, you can't just do what you like to do. | ||
| You can't just do what you're awesome at. | ||
| He's already awesome at putting people in another dimension. | ||
| I mean, he hits harder than anybody I've ever seen. | ||
| I've never seen anybody that hits as hard as Francis Ngannou. | ||
| And that Power Cube thing shows it. | ||
| I mean, he got the highest registered punch. | ||
| Tyrone Spong was number two. | ||
| His punch was something like 10,000 pounds more power or more than Tyrone Spong's, which is crazy. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| He shouldn't be allowed to hit people. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| He's so powerful. | ||
| But it's like all things balance out, right? | ||
| Like Stipe just said, yeah, you're powerful for about five minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not going to be there for those five minutes. | ||
| I'll be over here, and I'll be over here, and I'll be ducking and getting the fuck away from you. | ||
| And he took a few. | ||
| He takes a guy like Stipe that is smart and fights smart and knows the game. | ||
| Like, knows, like, you can't keep this up. | ||
| Would Kane be able to do the same thing? | ||
| You'd expect so, right? | ||
| Young Kane. | ||
| Young Kane, for sure. | ||
| Like the Kane that fought Czech Congo. | ||
| The Kane that fought Ben Rothwell. | ||
| That Kane. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That Kane could have done that to anybody. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| What you deal with with Kane was like a mental strength that no one's body can hold up to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like he just drove forward with so much tenacity that his body is like tires are flying off and bolts are breaking and it's just too much strength in the mind. | ||
| When you say that, I picture, I see it in my head, and I picture him moving forward a lot like Nurmagomedov moves forward. | ||
| Yeah, a lot. | ||
| Just with better striking. | ||
| Well, people keep forgetting Nurmagomedov was injury-ridden as well. | ||
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| He was constantly plagued with injuries. | ||
| There's a lot of guys that, you know, I had three or four of my UFC fights because Josh Thompson got hurt. | ||
| You know? | ||
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| I can think of off the top of my head two of them where it was because Josh was hurt, and they... | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Do you think that they train too hard, or do you think that that is just the way you have to train? | ||
| I mean, if you want to look at world-class fighters, AKA is one of the top gyms in the world. | ||
| Luke Rockhold, Daniel Cormier, Cain Velasquez, Josh Thompson, and you can keep going down the road. | ||
| There's a ton of guys that people haven't heard of that are top-level. | ||
| Nurmagomedov, obviously. | ||
| Ton of guys also that are training out of there that are super, super high-level. | ||
| There's a big... | ||
| Fucking tank filled with sharks. | ||
| Now, you look at their success, and it's just undeniable. | ||
| They have an incredible ratio of success. | ||
| Like, world champions. | ||
| Some of the best guys ever. | ||
| But a lot of injuries. | ||
| Now, is that just what happens when you get both things? | ||
| I believe, especially with those guys, where those guys are concerned, it has to do with the number of quality guys that they have that are fighting at the same time, and there only being so many hours in the day. | ||
| So they're in the gym at the same time, having to do the work that they need to do to prepare for a fight, but they're all on the same mat, and guys are running into each other. | ||
| Right, that's happening too. | ||
| So, Luke is over here, and Khabib is over here, but they've got five different guys rotating for them, and one of those five guys is the reason that Nurmagomedov gets hurt. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's a problem, right? | ||
| Like, that doesn't happen in boxing. | ||
| You never see world-class boxers sparring in the same ring as other world-class boxers. | ||
| At the same time, no. | ||
| At the same time, it's stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a size issue in terms of the gym size. | ||
| That's definitely a thing in that regard. | ||
| Also, the layout of the gym. | ||
| Like a boxing ring, you could put them in a quartered-off area and nobody else could be involved. | ||
| You section off the mats, but then you have to have coaches in between people. | ||
| When these guys are starting to come together, the coach comes in, hey guys, start going back to your area. | ||
| There's just no borders. | ||
| And without having borders and a guy like Hector Lombard coming after you, you're going to move. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to crash into people. | ||
| I think that's a real good point. | ||
| I think it's the level of talent, the aggression in the room, the level of ambition in the room. | ||
| All the above. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fact that they have that philosophy to just go hard. | ||
| I mean, they go hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I talked to DC about it, and he's like, sometimes Kane and I spar, and sometimes we fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, God damn. | ||
| You know, you're having fights before the fight. | ||
| Like, legitimate, full-on... | ||
| You know, fights. | ||
| Full power shots. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| I remember being underneath T-Bow, trying to come to my feet, and he's throwing big punches with little gloves on. | ||
| We're wearing little gloves, sparring MMA gloves, and he hit me in the face like three times. | ||
| And I'm like, that's entirely too hard. | ||
| But if I don't get up, he's just going to keep going. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's what it is, man. | ||
| When you're in the gym, there are some guys that they only have one speed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a lot of those guys are the guys that could perform when it's time to step into the cage. | ||
| Well, that's the story with TJ Dillshaw. | ||
| All the alpha male guys were saying that TJ, when he would spar, would spar real hard. | ||
| And then when you would hurt him, he'd try to kill you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But look, he's a fucking world champion for a reason. | ||
| Two-time. | ||
| That tenacity that makes you sometimes a problematic sparring partner, that same mental strength, and who knows who's telling the truth, because this is obviously alpha male, they were a little salty after he left, and I don't think they're lying, but I think there's two sides of the story, and there's also people accentuate their position. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you watch a video versus hearing two people tell a story, you see three different things. | ||
| Yeah, man, I've had people tell me things like, man, you won't believe what happened. | ||
| And then I watch the video, I'm like, wait a minute, what did you think you saw? | ||
| Because I didn't see that. | ||
| I saw something pretty reasonable. | ||
| When these guys go back and watch fights and they're like, I won that fight. | ||
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| It's like, no you didn't. | ||
| That's a real problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people, and again, those are really the same guys as the I can't catch a break guys. | ||
| The ones who think they won when no one else thinks they won. | ||
| You're watching like, wait man, what fight are you watching? | ||
| Like, you definitely didn't win. | ||
| Look at your, but your face! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fucking judges, man. | ||
| That is really the number one problem. | ||
| If all the rules, all these different things, those are all a problem, the judges are the biggest problem, by far. | ||
| Like every, it seems like every UFC, I'm waiting to interview the fighter, I'm in the cage, and they're reading the scorecards, and I just go like... | ||
| Every UFC, it's like one fight, at least, where I'm like, what? | ||
| What the fuck did they just say? | ||
| 30-27? | ||
| Who? | ||
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| What? | ||
| Like, a guy's getting their asses kicked, taken down, getting fucked up on the feet, and they're winning rounds 30-27. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 10-9, 10-9, 10-9. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
| I saw a fight recently. | ||
| I can't remember what it was, but when the judging came up, I heard 30-27, and I was like, there was no guarantee that any guy won any of those rounds. | ||
| Sorry, there was a guarantee. | ||
| When I heard 30-27, I thought this guy won, because I'm like, he won that round, so they thought he won the other two. | ||
| And then they gave it to the other guy, and I'm like, how did he lose that one round? | ||
| Full incompetence, man. | ||
| It's just full incompetence. | ||
| What is it like now when you're working for UFC and you're doing the Fox stuff, like Fox coverage of UFC? Do you have... | ||
| Like a set schedule? | ||
| Like how often do you guys do it? | ||
| So there are like seven. | ||
| Actually, there were seven when I started. | ||
| I think there are more guys now in that rotation. | ||
| And they don't have a set schedule. | ||
| So they just call you up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they give it to you a few weeks out. | ||
| You got plenty of advance notice. | ||
| So, like, the next desk job I'm working on is the Barbossa Lee fight. | ||
| Which one is that? | ||
| That's on the 21st of April. | ||
| April, okay, cool. | ||
| I think that's Atlantic City. | ||
| Ooh, that's a good card. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's Frankie Edgar's fighting. | ||
| Who's fighting? | ||
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| Cub Swanson. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| So, about that fight. | ||
| I... I don't like the fight. | ||
| I don't have a problem with it. | ||
| I feel like Frankie just got knocked out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that's really soon to come back. | ||
| If anybody can bounce back from something like that, it's a guy like Frankie. | ||
| But I felt the same way about Bisbing fighting after he didn't get knocked out. | ||
| He got dropped by George and then got choked unconscious. | ||
| He was like, yeah, he shouldn't take that Gaston fight so soon. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Completely agree. | ||
| And I feel that way about this fight because I feel like Frankie wants this fight because he wants to get that taste out of his mouth. | ||
| But it's still going to taste the same. | ||
| Anytime you go back and watch that fight, you're still going to have those feelings. | ||
| You're going to win your next fight, more than likely. | ||
| You're Frankie Edgar. | ||
| You don't have to rush it. | ||
| Like, let your brain rest. | ||
| Recover. | ||
| That's how I feel about it. | ||
| But that's only because I'm 41 now. | ||
| If I was 26, maybe I would have been... | ||
| And I know Frankie's like 32, 33. I think he's 36. Frankie's 36? | ||
| I think he's 36. Find out for us. | ||
| I'm pretty sure Frankie's 36. But I'm like, you want to go out there and do it, but... | ||
| When I think about brain trauma and the things that I forget, I'm always like, my CTE's flaring up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, he fought Cub just a couple of years ago and mauled him and got a last-second submission. | ||
| Maybe he just thinks, look, there ain't a fucking thing in the world this guy can do to stop me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I fucked him up before. | ||
| I'm going to fuck him up again. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I'm not even going to get hit. | ||
| I'm just going to get a hold of him ragged on just like I did before. | ||
| But Cub Swanson can crack. | ||
| He can crack. | ||
| And he's got a kid now. | ||
| And he's got a second kid along the way. | ||
| And he doesn't quit. | ||
| Does not quit. | ||
| And that makes dudes hungry. | ||
| And that fight is probably a massive motivating factor for Cub Swanson. | ||
| Cub is still around and he's still number four because he takes the lessons from these fights. | ||
| He learned something in that fight with Frankie. | ||
| I can't see that fight going. | ||
| I mean, there's a part of me that can't see that fight going exactly the same way, but I can also see Cub having made adjustments because of the lessons that he learned from that fight. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he had to learn from the Ortega fight as well. | ||
| You look at how Ortega handled Frankie. | ||
| He handled him very smart. | ||
| Very creative. | ||
| I mean, Cub fights a different way. | ||
| Cub is more of an in-and-out guy, and he explodes on you, and he keeps his hands down low and sneak shots on you. | ||
| He does a lot of weird shit. | ||
| He's real creative. | ||
| He's got to watch out for the takedown and the wrestling control, though, because that was a big factor in the fight. | ||
| That was giant. | ||
| That's where you got controlled. | ||
| But, I mean, it's a great fight. | ||
| I just, again, I'm just all about what's better in the long run. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it's Tom's River. | ||
| The problem is he's New Jersey and this is going to be in Atlantic City and all the boys are going to come down. | ||
| I'm with you 100%. | ||
| I would like to see this fight, but I would like to see this fight in six months. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's a good fight. | ||
| It's a good fight. | ||
| And Frankie could go in there and wipe him out or do exactly what he did last time. | ||
| Or it could be a battle and nothing comes of it. | ||
| But it's just like, I'm like, ear on the side of caution. | ||
| Some good fights on this card, man. | ||
| David Branch and Tiago Santos. | ||
| I'm looking forward to that one. | ||
| That's a tricky fucking fight. | ||
| That Tiago Santos guy is a murker. | ||
| That dude crushes people. | ||
| And ever since he's lost to Spicely, he's been more focused. | ||
| He's a fucking animal, man. | ||
| Very dangerous striker. | ||
| And David Branch, coming off of that performance against Luke Rockwell, he had Rockhold hurt. | ||
| He had Rockhold hurt, and he wound up getting dominated, wound up getting mounted and beaten down, got his back taken and smashed. | ||
| He learned a lesson in that fight too. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You learn a lot about conditioning when you fight a guy like Rockhold too. | ||
| Rockhold is one of the best in the division at top control. | ||
| He gets on top of dudes like what he did with Chris Weidman. | ||
| Weidman is a stud wrestler. | ||
| He gets on top of him and it's like he might as well have a building sitting on him. | ||
| His body type is something that's hard to deal with. | ||
| With just how long he is, but how good he is at jiu-jitsu and the controls and positioning. | ||
| That's a problem, man. | ||
| Because you have to make that extra effort. | ||
| When you start hip escaping, and on a regular guy, a guy that you're comfortable with the size, you don't have to make the movements as long. | ||
| But Luke, his build and the way he is... | ||
| And his understanding of positioning. | ||
| That's a hard... | ||
| He's a hard out for a lot of guys. | ||
| Yeah, he's got that Hodger Gracie type body. | ||
| That long, strong... | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's just different. | ||
| It's like when I first rolled with those guys over... | ||
| The judo guys. | ||
| Manny Gamburian and Karu and those guys. | ||
| I rolled with them and it's like they have this jiu-jitsu style that's like the timing is just off a beat somehow. | ||
| And they're hitting all these Kimuras and it's like... | ||
| It feels funky. | ||
| I feel like that's how Rock Hole's body is. | ||
| Cody McKenzie was like that. | ||
| When I fought Cody, I was like, I'm really good at escaping back control. | ||
| And I peel him off and it's like, how much leg do you have? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It just keeps going. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what makes the Yoel Romero fight all the more impressive. | ||
| Yoel Romero shut that shit down entirely. | ||
| He's terrifying, man. | ||
| But he's seen everything, right? | ||
| Like wrestling all the best guys in the world. | ||
| Did you see the podcast I did with him and Joey Diaz? | ||
| I watched some of it and I like to listen to your stuff when I'm going to bed. | ||
| So it's all in my head sometimes when I pass out. | ||
| When I was in Texas, I was driving all the time. | ||
| So I would listen when I leave Austin, drive to Houston. | ||
| I would hear like two or three episodes because I'm going there and then coming back. | ||
| That's a three hour, two and a half hour drive each way. | ||
| Out here, I'm not in the car as much. | ||
| So I get a lot of snippets. | ||
| So I got some of the OML, but I haven't got the whole episode. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| Talking about the program, the wrestling program coming up in it, what it was like. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, I heard some of that about how, you know, they're on a pyramid and they... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The top guys, they get the best. | ||
| They get some of the best food, the best accommodations. | ||
| They get three meals a day. | ||
| The other guys get two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Like everything's better. | ||
| And they're all working out with each other all the time. | ||
| So they're all around each other all the time. | ||
| And he's like, everybody knows you hurt your wrist. | ||
| Oh, everybody knows. | ||
| And those are the guys you're going to have to go against. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that is a representation of capitalism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Right? | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| It is capitalism inside of communism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But keep people poor and hungry, and the best in the world, the best they can do is get three meals a day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And live in a better place. | ||
| Now we got political. | ||
| Yeah, but it is political. | ||
| People need motivation. | ||
| They need incentive for their actions. | ||
| People that think socialism is a good idea have never accomplished anything. | ||
| There's no way you've competed. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| If you're a competitor and you understand the benefit and the value of competition, I'm not talking about capitalism competitive. | ||
| I'm talking about just actual competitive in anything. | ||
| Anything where you're trying to get a position, and it's a very difficult position, so you want to work harder than the other people around you. | ||
| You know about merit-based Performance. | ||
| Like, you know, like, you should achieve based on your merit, based on what you have actually shown to, like, how much work you've put in, what you've accomplished, you should benefit from that. | ||
| And the idea that everybody should be paid equally, and that everybody should just have, oh, man, we'll just contribute, and just, I'll give a little, you give a little. | ||
| Those fucks never give their share. | ||
| They're never good. | ||
| They're never the best at what they do. | ||
| They never know how to compete. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| It's not saying that there's not some aspects of a community where we should have some socialist ideas. | ||
| Like, I believe in free education. | ||
| I believe... | ||
| That, without a doubt, our nation, as wealthy as it is, can afford to have better healthcare and better education. | ||
| Those two things, I think, are gigantic factors in just having a healthy community. | ||
| But if you want a quality of outcome, you can suck my dick. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| There's no such thing as a quality of outcome. | ||
| Because if you have real freedom... | ||
| Real freedom, you're always going to have inequality of outcome. | ||
| Because the real freedom is a guy like Jocko wants to get up at 4.30 in the morning and work out every day. | ||
| Whereas some people just want to sleep till noon. | ||
| I'd rather just lay in bed, man. | ||
| I like to go to the beach and hang out. | ||
| I'm not in a hurry. | ||
| I'm not in a rush. | ||
| Good! | ||
| I hope you enjoy yourself. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| But if you want the same amount of money as that motherfucker's up at 430 in the morning, hustling, constantly cranking out, got three different things in the air, three different things going on, projects constantly, always in the middle of something, always pushing, always trying to improve, always looking at himself, always being self-critical, always analyzing, what do I have to do to get better? | ||
| And you're not, but you want the same outcome. | ||
| F-f-f-fuck you! | ||
| I completely agree with that. | ||
| I feel like there's this, the world, or especially the country, is in the best place when there are more people in the middle. | ||
| When there's these extremes, and I feel like the people that were in the middle, they've somehow been dragged further out to these extremes because, yeah, going far right with some things, right? | ||
| No, you don't get anything. | ||
| You don't get this unless you work for it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But some of the things that go along with that, yeah, but then everybody gets a trophy. | ||
| No, everybody doesn't get a trophy. | ||
| You should get a trophy if you were able to compete to the level that... | ||
| That's deserving of a trophy. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| Everybody shouldn't get one. | ||
| You lost. | ||
| You shouldn't get the same thing that the guy that won got. | ||
| You did well and you lost. | ||
| And there's a big competition with a big group and you did better than some of them. | ||
| Yeah, maybe you get some of the pie. | ||
| But this whole thing of everybody's equal, I disagree. | ||
| But I feel like there's aspects of everything that should be everywhere. | ||
| So when I say that, what I mean is like... | ||
| Capitalism, like, we saw capitalism inside communism in that example, right? | ||
| Well, inside capitalism, there should be some socialism. | ||
| Like, let's look at the Major League Baseball, right? | ||
| The Yankees, they're in the playoffs every year because they can afford to buy the best players, you know? | ||
| But, like, look at Green Bay, Wisconsin. | ||
| Small market team. | ||
| They can win a Super Bowl because of the socialistic revenue sharing inside the NFL. It's a weird dynamic where there are things that apply in different situations, but people can't compartmentalize enough so that these things can happen and we can all make it work out. | ||
| I feel like you said about healthcare and education. | ||
| Yeah, healthcare and education. | ||
| We have the funds for those things to be good across the board, but why is it that the schools in this rich area are always... | ||
| They always have the better scores. | ||
| But then when you take the same type of effort and you put that somewhere in a poor area, their scores come up and they can compete if they have the same effort from the faculty and the staff and whatnot. | ||
| And same thing with law enforcement. | ||
| Law enforcement is better in these areas where... | ||
| It's like, there's no crime here, and this is where all the rich people live, and this and that. | ||
| Yes, but they also have better law enforcement. | ||
| They're police patrolling that area in a different fashion. | ||
| It's this weird thing where... | ||
| It's not equal. | ||
| It's not equal, and those things should be equal, but as far as these people live in a poor area now, and these people, they don't. | ||
| They have a lot of money... | ||
| Because of family wealth, because of work ethic, because of all of that, yeah. | ||
| Everybody deserves to be safe. | ||
| Everybody deserves to have that at the very least. | ||
| So let's enforce the laws and patrol and do those things in this area just as much as we do for this area and put the money into that because that's a community thing. | ||
| Now when we're talking about what they have, they have nicer pools. | ||
| Well, they pay higher taxes and they do this thing. | ||
| Okay, well, if you want that, now that you're safe enough and your education is where it is, let's start reinvesting in that community. | ||
| Let's not get to the point where we can afford to be here. | ||
| So we go there. | ||
| No, we can afford to be there, but let's just try reinvesting in this community to make this community more like that one. | ||
| But if we have the protections to do that, then I feel more comfortable reinvesting in this community. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| All these things are all over the place and you've got to put them together. | ||
| Well, we don't treat our country as if it's a giant community. | ||
| If it was a giant community where everybody's equal, we would look at all the problem spots and say, okay, well, there's these crime-ridden, poverty-stricken communities that can't seem to catch a break. | ||
| So the people that come out of that, even though we're saying, hey, there's an open playing field to compete, that's not true. | ||
| Because they're coming at it with a massive disadvantage from the jump. | ||
| An education disadvantage, an environmental disadvantage in what they see around them all the time. | ||
| They're around a lot of I-can't-catch-or-break dudes, right? | ||
| And a lot of trap. | ||
| A lot of criminals, a lot of bullshit, a lot of different ways you could go wrong, a lot of things that could set you down a terrible path in life, and it's around you all the time. | ||
| And if we tried to engineer society to say, well, how do we have less people that are disadvantaged? | ||
| How do we have less losers? | ||
| What's the best way? | ||
| Well, you've got to go to the problem spots. | ||
| All the problem spots we should be dumping money in. | ||
| And And I'm not saying that we shouldn't do anything overseas, because I think a lot of the things that we do overseas probably help and protect us over here. | ||
| But there's a lot of shit we don't have to do. | ||
| And that shit, we could take that money and just fix cities. | ||
| Just go in and throw a ton of money and compassion and education and community centers and make places safe for people to learn how to be an adult. | ||
| You know what the U.S. military budget is yearly? | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Do you have any idea? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| It's like $600 billion? | ||
| I think it's higher than that. | ||
| It's higher than that now? | ||
| I think it's in the trillions. | ||
| I think it's in the trillions. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| That kind of takes me... | ||
| Let's guess. | ||
| You say $600 billion? | ||
| I say $600. | ||
| I say $1.3 trillion. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm crazy though, dude. | ||
| $600 billion. | ||
| I don't even know what $1.3 trillion looks like. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Dun-dun-dun. | ||
| Technically both. | ||
| Technically both? | ||
| Yeah, the thing that when you put when I googled it, the last one that was reported, I suppose, was 2015. It was $597 billion. | ||
| Which year? | ||
| Twenty-what? | ||
| 2015. The new one that Trump just signed that was approved is for $1.3 trillion. | ||
| That must be where I heard it. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| That's a lot of cash. | ||
| How much for education, Mr. Trump? | ||
| We don't need no stinking books. | ||
| Oh, I think that's actually the whole bill. | ||
| That's $700 billion of that is for the military. | ||
| Oh, what's the rest of it for? | ||
| Everything else. | ||
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Schools! | |
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| Can you imagine if someone just said $700 billion for schools? | ||
| You'd be like, what? | ||
| Yeah, we're not fucking around anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're ready to take over. | ||
| We're going to invest 10 years with $700 billion a year in a school system. | ||
| Man. | ||
| That sounds nice, right? | ||
| What do you think the education budget is for the country? | ||
| If you had to guess, what's the overall public education budget in the United States, primary through high school? | ||
| I never thought about it. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| We go with $600 billion for the military. | ||
| I'm going to go with $100 billion. | ||
| I'll go $100 million. | ||
| $100 million. | ||
| As of 2011, discretionary budget was $70 billion. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| That's up from... | ||
| Education budget? | ||
| Yeah, 2006, it was $56 billion. | ||
|
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Huh. | |
| So it's higher than it has been in the past. | ||
| 70 billion, and what does that cover? | ||
| There's too many fucking people. | ||
| Yeah, I would say that what it covers... | ||
| What it's supposed to cover and what it actually covers is a different thing. | ||
| What's it supposed to cover? | ||
| I'll have to look deep into that. | ||
| You just said there's too many people? | ||
| There's so many people. | ||
| So check this out. | ||
| I think the same thing, right? | ||
| And I did some slight research. | ||
| 19... | ||
| 55, I think it was. | ||
| Guess what the population of the planet was. | ||
| Oh, we did that the other day. | ||
| It was like 2 billion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 2 and a half. | ||
| 2 and a half billion. | ||
| And now we're at 7 and a half billion. | ||
| When I was in high school, we went with like 85. I think it was 5 billion. | ||
| So just since 1985 to today, it's gone up. | ||
| Doubled from the 50s, and now we've added another half to that, 50% to that. | ||
| So many people. | ||
| But I was thinking about that, and I'm looking at it, and if it's exponential, in 50 years, we will have nearly 20 billion people on this planet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, everywhere is going to look like Los Angeles. | ||
| Like, imagine if there was still, like, I think in the 1800s, there were still millions of people on the planet. | ||
| Not billions. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| The President's 2017 budget provides $69.4 billion in discretionary funding. | ||
| But that's education? | ||
| Yes, this is for the Education Bill. | ||
| $139.7 billion in new mandatory funding for the U.S. Department of Education. | ||
| The budget supports implementation of Every Student Succeeds Act, which embraces many of the reforms in the administration along, has long supported to improve outcomes for all students. | ||
| It also makes crucial investments that build the administration's work to advance educational equity. | ||
| And excellence, support teachers and school leaders, promote college affordability and completion. | ||
| These include... | ||
| I think college should be free. | ||
| I think we could figure out how to make college free. | ||
| I'm with Bernie Sanders on that. | ||
| It's a rare thing. | ||
| I just don't think you should be in fucking debt up to your asshole by the time you get out of school. | ||
| I think it's crazy. | ||
| It's a fucked up way to start your life. | ||
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And people are like, well, you want to make a list that separates the people that really want it and the people that... | |
| You get stuck in debt, and you can't even get out of that debt. | ||
| It's not even regular debt. | ||
| It's blood debt. | ||
| Some weird debt. | ||
| But doesn't having a more educated society help everybody in the long run? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Everybody would make more money. | ||
| Everybody would make more money. | ||
| I don't get that. | ||
| But you would have to make sure that whoever the fuck is teaching these kids... | ||
| You have to be real stringent with what you're letting get pushed through if you're going to throw that much money on it. | ||
| There's a lot of shitbag teachers out there. | ||
| We'd have to clean that up. | ||
| You know, a lot of people. | ||
| Hey, there's a lot of shitbag teachers out there and now they want to give them guns. | ||
| That's the dumbest shit of all time. | ||
| That's the dumbest shit of all time. | ||
| That is the dumbest shit of all time. | ||
| You can't expect teachers to become soldiers. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's not what they do. | ||
| They're not warriors. | ||
| They shouldn't be out there having firefights with pilled up former high school students. | ||
| It's fucking insane. | ||
| I don't know what the solution to that is, honestly. | ||
| I do not know what the solution is. | ||
| You know, the NRA thinks it's having guns everywhere. | ||
| The anti-Second Amendment people think it's getting all the guns away. | ||
| But you're not going to get all the guns away. | ||
| The thing about, like, people say guns don't kill people, people kill people. | ||
| I'm like, no, people with guns kill people. | ||
| They definitely do. | ||
| Hear exactly how much the government would have to spend to make public college tuition free. | ||
| How much? | ||
| What do you think it is? | ||
| Okay, let me guess. | ||
| One trillion a year. | ||
| Way, way, way less. | ||
| Way less? | ||
| Yeah, I would say... | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's according to this article. | ||
| Okay, what does it say? | ||
| About a billion? | ||
| What is the website? | ||
| The Atlantic? | ||
| The Atlantic, yeah. | ||
| Okay, that's a left-leaning website, but they're not ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, it got updated. | ||
| So the article says $62.6 billion, a mere 62. But there's updates on the bottom of the article that said that's... | ||
| Some readers say that's in addition to what they already spend, so that makes it maybe double... | ||
| Well, you know, here's one way they make it really fucking cheap. | ||
| Have it available for free online. | ||
| Everybody should be able to get an education online. | ||
| I really firmly believe that. | ||
| I think they should have courses that you could just sign up and take them like a regular college course. | ||
| You don't have to be in a physical location anymore. | ||
| That's so retro. | ||
| That's so unnecessary. | ||
| Get in your car and get to traffic and go to UCLA. The only thing good about that is you're in the room with someone like a Jordan Peterson or some really good professor that's really inspirational and you're in there with them and they talk to you and you're like, oh, okay. | ||
| And you get to be in their presence and see like, Oh, this guy was probably my age one day and he figured all this shit out. | ||
| Maybe some extra juice to that. | ||
| I used to have a bookmark saved. | ||
| I think it was Harvard. | ||
| It was a long list of recorded lectures that were from any class, I think. | ||
| There probably was a limit to what they were doing. | ||
| It's definitely not accessible anymore, especially for the public. | ||
| But it was fully accessible. | ||
| Anybody that wanted it, that's why I had it saved. | ||
| I don't know, Joe. | ||
| I mean, when I think about that, like I said earlier, all these formulas fit into different things. | ||
| You say that and it's like, you can be at home looking at them on the screen and learning versus being in the same room. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, but you could also go to a strip club and watch strippers dance. | ||
| Or you could be at home watching them porn. | ||
| And when you're at home watching them, you're going to pull it out and rip one. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you're saying that if you get your education home, you're just going to beat off? | ||
| That's a real problem. | ||
| You know, Louis C.K. was saying once that he has a computer that he writes on that's not connected to the internet. | ||
| Because he just can't get distracted and force himself to... | ||
| I think that's what I'm saying. | ||
| The problem is the distraction. | ||
| With having access to everything right there. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But you also have to be disciplined. | ||
| That's the biggest part. | ||
| It's discipline. | ||
| It's discipline. | ||
| And that goes back to what I believe that ties back into what I was saying before about all this entertainment out there. | ||
| Everybody's it is always like scratching at you like, hey, Pay attention to me. | ||
| Give me something to do. | ||
| So this is some onlinelearning.harvard.edu. | ||
| So they allow you to study the pyramids of Giza, ancient Egyptian art and archaeology, and it's free. | ||
| Yeah, this is a whole course on it for free. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| There's a bunch of them. | ||
| How many courses do they have that are available for free? | ||
| Tons. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Nice. | |
| I just clicked one that looked interesting, too. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| They have a methadone? | ||
| Oh, medicine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, what are you giving people? | ||
| They get methadone online. | ||
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Yeah, what? | |
| All these courses you could take. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| And the problem is you don't get credentialed. | ||
| So if somebody wants you to have a job for it, you can't show them, like, I took this free course and passed it. | ||
| That seems to be less and less of a factor in the future. | ||
| I think having a degree is going to mean less than it means now. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| With the internet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have the right guidance, you can have the syllabus from a college course, and you have the internet. | ||
| Without getting the paper that says you've done it, you can literally learn what you would learn in a classroom. | ||
| You should have to take a test for the job you do. | ||
| Say if you're a car stereo installation person, you should have a real deep knowledge of the electrical systems in an automobile and what electronics sync up with that and how it works well and what makes them work and how does a radar detector work? | ||
| How does a CD player work? | ||
| How does... | ||
| You should have to take a test based on whatever the job it is you're interested in. | ||
| And if you want to be a doctor, obviously we're talking about different ball of wax. | ||
| Then you should have a full understanding of humans. | ||
| You're cutting people open and draining their shins and shit. | ||
| You should... | ||
| He should have a real deep understanding of the human body, but like, how does that do you any good if you want to be a mechanic or if you want to be, you know, whatever the fuck you do for a living, there should be a way where you could, like if you're an advertising executive, you should take a test to find out how much you know about the advertising business, and there's a lot of shit that you don't need to know. | ||
| That you went to school for to get a degree. | ||
| Yeah, there's some weird things that go along with that though. | ||
| It's like you have all these things that you have to take these courses to graduate. | ||
| Yeah, to get a general education. | ||
| Yeah, you have to get a general education. | ||
| Which is a good thing, right? | ||
| You want people to understand. | ||
| You want to understand the world, right? | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| There are things that are more important. | ||
| You take that back to high school, and we can talk about, like, everybody knows the Pythagorean theorem in high school, but you can't do your taxes. | ||
| And you start working, most people start working at, like, 16. When you start working at McDonald's or Gap or something at 16, 17, you're still paying taxes at the end of the year, right? | ||
| So, doing that in February and March, in school, in your math classes, how is that not something that happens, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just, it's one of these weird situations where the education is important, right? | ||
| But let's learn the things that actually apply to life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like you should get out of high school with a basic understanding of most things. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like general education in high school makes sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I feel like once you get into college, whatever the fuck you're trying to pursue... | ||
| It should be very specified. | ||
| Very specific to whatever the fuck your business is. | ||
| You don't need to take gender studies classes. | ||
| But also you probably don't necessarily need all the textbook knowledge because there's certain jobs that actual experience matters more than the textbook knowledge. | ||
| I couldn't tell you exactly which ones. | ||
| Well, how about what Jamie does? | ||
| There's a problem with Jamie's job. | ||
| He went to school to be an audio engineer, but all that shit that you used back then, that shit's all useless. | ||
| How much of it is useless? | ||
| I mean, the hardest test I think I took was after we were all done was for Pro Tools. | ||
| It's basically for a computer program. | ||
| They get certified that you know this program very well. | ||
| That's almost what you're explaining. | ||
| That program is like version 6 of the program. | ||
| Back then, I think they were updating it maybe once every two years. | ||
| It's been updated like four times this year, probably. | ||
| And they're on level like 11 now. | ||
| So it's completely useless that I know all that. | ||
| They've updated all of the limits, are completely unlimited things now. | ||
| So it doesn't even matter that you know all that. | ||
| So someone getting out of school with just the education that you got in school literally can't do it today? | ||
| You'd have to go back and do it again, sort of. | ||
| They offer that at the school. | ||
| You can go back and... | ||
| Refresher? | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| For free. | ||
| That's part of the benefit of going to this school, I would say. | ||
| But to have the time and the ability to go back to Florida and stay there for a month so I could go take that class. | ||
| I can't take a month off of this to do it. | ||
| I'm like, who's going to pay for my apartment down there and here? | ||
| It's a really tough situation you put yourself in. | ||
| That's a lot with a lot of anything that has to do with technology, right? | ||
| Where it's constantly moving forward. | ||
| Yeah, it's changing. | ||
| And the thing about technology, it's like there's some savants in that, you know? | ||
| There are these kids and these people that pick up on technology and they understand it so well, and they have no formal education with it, or no real formal education. | ||
| Technology is one of those things that I, especially, I feel like it's the most apparent thing where you don't have to go to school You have to have the experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you have to be engrossed in whatever the subject is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then again, it comes back to what we're talking about with discipline. | ||
| Like, how much time do you want to spend to work on things? | ||
| And look, that's applicable to finding. | ||
| Like, you knew so many people in the gym that just did not put the time into drilling techniques and learning them and really Getting a fully comprehensive understanding of why you're supposed to do something a certain way. | ||
| And they just kind of listened a little bit, worked out kind of hard, and maybe they had a little bit of athletic talent. | ||
| And then they would come back in, but the guys who would stay and drill and think and learn and take notes, those guys always moved past. | ||
| They always moved further. | ||
| And also the guys that were willing to do what was uncomfortable, willing to do things that they're not good at. | ||
| Like I said, I don't like getting hit. | ||
| I didn't like getting hit. | ||
| I mean, I accept that as a part of the job. | ||
| But I didn't like it. | ||
| When I first started training, probably for my first 10-15 fights, I was showing up late to practice because boxing was first. | ||
| I didn't want to spar. | ||
| I didn't want to get hit. | ||
| And so I was like, well, I don't like getting hit. | ||
| I got to avoid getting hit. | ||
| But I got to have things coming at me to learn how to avoid that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I started showing up on time. | ||
| I started doing more boxing and I started doing more boxing. | ||
| I was like, this is fun. | ||
| I like this. | ||
| I'm enjoying this. | ||
| Same thing with wrestling. | ||
| I knew how to sprawl. | ||
| I knew how to shoot a double, a basic double, the 1990s double. | ||
| But then I started training with Tyron. | ||
| Then I started training with Steve Brown and Dan Vallemont and Jordan Lean and these D1 wrestlers and starting to learn all the other aspects of wrestling. | ||
| There was something I did in the fight with Stout where it's an ankle breaker. | ||
| It doesn't actually break your ankle. | ||
| It's just the name of the technique. | ||
| I actually watched the tape and you call it like a standing heel hook. | ||
| Where I have his ankle, a single leg, and I try to trip him and crank his leg down. | ||
| And... | ||
| I would have never done that if I hadn't been wrestling with these kids and learning these things. | ||
| And there's so much about it and it just became a whole lot of fun. | ||
| Now, I used to hate wrestling. | ||
| I used to not want to do it at all. | ||
| Now, that's kind of all I want to do. | ||
| You see that with everything. | ||
| You see that with jiu-jitsu guys getting into striking. | ||
| You see it with strikers getting into the ground game. | ||
| You see wrestlers getting into striking. | ||
| Yeah, they just don't want to do it. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| And they also particularly don't want to get involved in something they're not really good at. | ||
| Like if you're a monster at one thing, like if you're a monster on the ground, you don't want to be a white belt at kickboxing, get your legs chewed up, and get your nose bloodied every time you spar, and you're covering up in the corner and be like, I can just grab this guy and make him my bitch. | ||
| And you can't even. | ||
| You gotta just eat shots. | ||
| Nobody wants that. | ||
| You saw that a lot with kickboxers in particular that would go into jujitsu class and just did not like how they would get humbled. | ||
| They did not like it at all. | ||
| Because they were literally starting from scratch. | ||
| If you don't have a grappling background and you go in there and get some black belts and killers, they make you feel helpless. | ||
| They make you feel like you are not safe ever. | ||
| All they have to do is grab you and it's over. | ||
| You're 100% getting choked. | ||
| That's too fucked up for some people. | ||
| They can't handle that shit. | ||
| They feel like... | ||
| And then that's the case also with a slow, plodding grappler that fights a dynamic striker, and then you have to stand up. | ||
| And you get leg kicked to death by Edson Barbosa. | ||
| Fuck all that. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I've never been leg kicked to death. | ||
| But I've taken two or three from Tiago in a practice when I first started training an American Top Team. | ||
| I feel good about checking kicks. | ||
| I'm comfortable there. | ||
| But he landed a couple and I was like, yeah, fuck that. | ||
| So I would work with Tiago a lot and I feel comfortable now checking kicks. | ||
| You might get one, you might get two off, but I'm not letting you do that to me. | ||
| He had a good whipping right leg kick, too. | ||
| He would whip it in there. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, his kick was, like, super textbook, man. | ||
| Especially when he was in his prime. | ||
| He would throw that jab one... | ||
| He would either throw a one-two or a jab and then just slam that right leg in there. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Like, he's hopping into it. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Like, that's how... | ||
| I feel like Edson Barbosa is, like, the 2.0 with Tiago Alves, you know? | ||
| He's a little faster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Edson's stunning. | ||
| Like, especially that switch kick. | ||
| He throws that switch kick and you're like, what?! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His left leg switch kick is probably the fastest kick I've ever seen anybody throw from that stance. | ||
| I'd love to see something lined up where you time a regular person, a southpaws, right kick, I'm sorry, their left kick, and you time his switch kick to that, or also put his up against somebody else's switch kick. | ||
| He's got like a Muay Thai World Championship caliber switch kick. | ||
| You see a real high-level Thai boxer, they've got that same kind of speed to it. | ||
| You watch his and you're like, there's no comparison in the octagon. | ||
| You're not countering that. | ||
| You'd be lucky to react in time. | ||
| You're just taking it. | ||
| You're just taking it. | ||
| It's real quick. | ||
| Yeah, but again, we go back to that Nurmagomedov fight. | ||
| As good as he was, he got fucking mauled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what's really crazy, because he didn't get mauled in the Ferguson fight. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| Ferguson was winning. | ||
| It was a good fight until Tony caught him with the darts and sunk that choke in. | ||
| But then again, that's a few years, too. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| You could say that Barboza might be better. | ||
| Everybody should be better. | ||
| All three of those guys should be better at this point. | ||
| But yeah, it's dangerous. | ||
| And I would like to see... | ||
| I mean, Barbosa, he's shown improvement after every loss that he had. | ||
| He showed improvement after the Tony loss. | ||
| So this fight with Kevin Lee, let's see. | ||
| That's right into the fucking hot of things, too. | ||
| Like right out of the frying pan, right into the fire. | ||
| For both guys, though. | ||
| Fuck yeah, for both guys. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of crazy. | ||
| Kind of crazy. | ||
| Kevin Lee might get beat up in that one. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| He might get wheel kicked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he might get Terry Edmed. | ||
| Remember that fight? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Isn't that crazy that that was the first time a wheel kick ever landed in a UFC fight? | ||
| First wheel kick KO. Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Seth Petruzzelli landed a wheel kick, but he didn't knock anybody out with it. | ||
| You needed someone with that kind of speed, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Because the game has changed. | ||
| But then, you know, Vitor landed on a rock hole. | ||
| A bunch of people have landed a wheel kick since then. | ||
| But that one wheel kick was so crazy. | ||
| It was so perfect. | ||
| It landed right on the jaw and just shut the lights out. | ||
| Man, he went down like a tree. | ||
| Yeah, he was out going down. | ||
| That was in Brazil. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Barbosa is a fun guy to watch, man. | ||
| I'm excited to be on the desk now. | ||
| It's a good fight. | ||
| Especially those two fights. | ||
| I love watching Cub and Frankie fight. | ||
| I still feel the same way about... | ||
| I think I would love to see that later. | ||
| I'm not crazy... | ||
| About the fight in the sense that I've seen it once and it could go that way again. | ||
| But I am excited to see the improvements, if Cub is able to make any adjustments going into that one. | ||
| But it's not a necessary thing. | ||
| There's some fights that I don't like just for the mathematics of the fight, like Dustin Poirier and Gaethje. | ||
| I love Dustin. | ||
| He's my boy. | ||
| But I don't like it because Dustin and Eddie. | ||
| The fight with Dustin and Eddie. | ||
| The fight was going one way. | ||
| There was a... | ||
| Was it called a no contest for a disqualification? | ||
| I'm like, I disagree with that. | ||
| I know I'm biased, but I feel like my argument is strong in that the ref, Herb, came back to the locker rooms and he explained to us that we're using the old rules. | ||
| So, if by the old rules, all three of those needs were illegal... | ||
| It doesn't matter if it was intentional. | ||
| It matters if it's illegal. | ||
| That's the way I understand the rules. | ||
| So that's my thing. | ||
| So you feel like it should be disqualified and it should be a loss. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that's a real good argument. | ||
| It's a real good argument. | ||
| And I don't think Eddie's a dirty fighter. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I do think Dustin was winning that fight up until those moments. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| He had hurt Eddie and it stunned him on several occasions. | ||
| Eddie came back and cracked him. | ||
| There was a lot going on in that fight, but those knees were supposed to be a disqualification for something like that. | ||
| And that's what the whole idea is about doing something illegal. | ||
| You do something illegal and the guy gets really hurt from it. | ||
| That's illegal. | ||
| You weren't supposed to do it. | ||
| It's a disqualification. | ||
| I think he's in the heat of the moment. | ||
| He probably didn't even know whether it was legal or not. | ||
| He was just trying to land knees. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He's been rocked. | ||
| You've got to put that into account as well. | ||
| He got hurt real bad in that fight. | ||
| Dustin cracked him. | ||
| Yeah, like... | ||
| So mathematically, would you like to see the rematch? | ||
| I would like to see the rematch. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| I mean, Dustin was lobbying for the rematch also. | ||
| And then on top of that, mathematically, I feel like it doesn't make sense because Eddie just beat Gaethje. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like this disqualification happened and this one guy got to step up the ladder. | ||
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Right. | |
| But now if you want to step up the ladder, you have to do exactly what he did. | ||
| Right, that's a good point. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Well, that essentially is solidifying the position as a no contest, right? | ||
| Because you're making you think he should have won. | ||
| I tend to agree with you, and you think that he should have a better position. | ||
| Yeah, I think a rematch would be the way to go, but I still want to see that fight, I gotta be honest with you. | ||
| As a fight fan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gaethje Poirier? | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| Gaethje's an interesting guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tough motherfucker and he throws leg kicks from like a foot away from you. | ||
| He's like right on top of you and he swivels his hips and chops down with that leg. | ||
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He doesn't care about getting ran over with a takedown either. | |
| Well, he's a very good wrestler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very good wrestler that chooses to stand and bang. | ||
| You know, and just breaks guys with his will. | ||
| Then Michael Johnson fight. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And when you stop and think about that, right after I said that, I'm like, God damn, Michael Johnson's been in some fucking wars. | ||
| Yeah, he has. | ||
| He's been in some wars. | ||
| With Ferguson, I mean, well, he beat up Tony a bit. | ||
| But Johnson, Johnson's one of those guys you can't count out either. | ||
| But his inconsistencies is what throws me off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He's oftentimes very good, like in the Poirier fight, when he knocked out Dustin. | ||
| He's very good in that fight. | ||
| And then he's had his moments, but then Elkins just takes him down and strangles him. | ||
| He's like, wow. | ||
| I wonder if that cut had anything to do with it, you know? | ||
| Did he get cut in that fight? | ||
| No, the weight cut, I'm sorry. | ||
| Oh, the weight cut. | ||
| Just making 45 for the first time. | ||
| He could very well be. | ||
| I mean, he looked real lean. | ||
| Real lean. | ||
| Who knows how he felt. | ||
| Doing it for the first time is probably real hard. | ||
| Is he doing it again, or is he going to go back up to 55? | ||
| I have not heard. | ||
| I mean, it may be out there, but I haven't heard anything about it as far as if he's going back to 55 or not. | ||
| What's the most you ever cut? | ||
| I didn't know what I was doing the first time. | ||
| I made 154 to fight Ruminasato. | ||
| I cut 17 pounds in a day. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That was ridiculous. | ||
| Did you have to fight day of? | ||
| Day after. | ||
| How'd you rehydrate? | ||
| Did you use IV bags? | ||
| No. | ||
| I drank Pedialyte. | ||
| Did it work? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The fight didn't last very long. | ||
| It's on Fight Pass, and it's hard to see, but as the fight happens, I throw a jab, and I hit Sato as he's coming in. | ||
| I turn his head over, and bang! | ||
| As he's coming in, we clash heads. | ||
| And I go to my knees, and I get up, and I grab the ropes. | ||
| And I'm just holding on to the ropes, and the ref is screaming at me, slapping my ass, telling me to get off the ropes. | ||
| And I'm just looking at him like, what are you talking about? | ||
| And then he jumps on my back, and he starts choking, and I'm fighting, and I'm falling back. | ||
| And one of the ropes peels my hands off, and he just sinks in the choke. | ||
| All happens in like 20 seconds. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But like, after learning about rehydration, I didn't know anything. | ||
| This is like 1999. Right. | ||
| And this is the first time I fought at 55. After learning about rehydration and the brain and all that, I'm like, was I out from that? | ||
| Like, I... This was when I was a kid. | ||
| I don't care anymore about the result. | ||
| But was I out? | ||
| Was I semi-conscious? | ||
| I don't remember any of that, but I watch it on tape and I see it and I know what happens. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, so you don't know how much of a weakened state you were in because it was such a quick fight. | ||
| You didn't get a chance to assess how your body... | ||
| How did you feel like walking to the ring? | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| I remember feeling good, but I was a 20-something, like 21-year-old maybe fighting... | ||
| A guy who I look up to in a main event in Hawaii on a show on Super Brawl. | ||
| Super Brawl. | ||
| Super Brawl has some great fucking fights, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's old school, you know? | ||
| Remember Egan Inoue versus Mayhem Miller? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Egan gets Mayhem into Kimura. | ||
| Mayhem keeps rolling out of it with those impossible joints. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Super braw. | ||
| Ray Cooper. | ||
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Great fights. | |
| Wasn't that Vitor's debut against John Hess? | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shaq was in the audience. | ||
| Remember Shaq jumps up to celebrate? | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, Vitor lit John Hess up. | ||
| That's when John Hess was like one of the last remaining bullshit artists. | ||
| He was a SAFTA guy. | ||
| Like, street combat. | ||
| Like one of those guys poking people in the eyes and shit. | ||
| That's what he basically did in his UFC debut. | ||
| He poked the shit out of some guy he fought. | ||
| So he fought some short guy and poked him in the eyes. | ||
| Well, yeah, this is Vitor. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Back up a little bit. | ||
| There wasn't much there. | ||
| Yeah, but just back up a little bit because this is right before the fight starts. | ||
| Yeah, there. | ||
| Let it go here. | ||
| Oh, it starts with the beating. | ||
| That was a weird video. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's out! | ||
| Yeah, that was super fast Vitor. | ||
| I was training with Vitor then. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Vitor's 19 years old, man. | ||
| That's when I was at Carlson Gracie's on Hawthorne. | ||
| It was right down the street from the comedy store, man. | ||
| I was so jealous of Vitor and that UFC Brazil when he fought Vanderlei. | ||
| Because I was like, this kid's my age. | ||
| We were born the same year, I guess. | ||
| I was like, he's my age. | ||
| He's already in the UFC. I wish I was 200 pounds. | ||
| Like, I remember... | ||
| Rod Woodson was this safety for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I was like, he's 5'9", 200 pounds, because there were only two weight classes back then. | ||
| Trey Tellingman. | ||
| Yeah, he fought Trey Tellingman. | ||
| He was only 200 pounds back then, man. | ||
| When he fought in his UFC debut and he beat the shit out of Scott Ferozo, he was only 200 pounds, and he was shredded. | ||
| Just shredded. | ||
| Was his UFC debut Ferozo or was it against Vanderlei? | ||
| Teligman. | ||
| Teligman was his debut. | ||
| Ferozo right here. | ||
| That was the second fight of the night. | ||
| This is the first fight that I worked. | ||
| This was in Dothan, Alabama in 1997. When did he fight Vanderlei? | ||
| He fought Vanderlei in 96? | ||
| No, 98 I think. | ||
| In Ultimate Ultimate Brazil. | ||
| He fought Tank Abbott. | ||
| This is when Vitor was getting bigger, but he was still fast. | ||
| He was probably like 215 or 220 then. | ||
| And then he fucked up Tank Abbott. | ||
| But then as he got older... | ||
| Not older, but later, like here, he's still pretty jacked. | ||
| But then when he fought Randy Couture, remember this? | ||
| This is Joe Charles. | ||
| That might have been a fix. | ||
| You ever see that fight? | ||
| He didn't throw any punches. | ||
| They were friends. | ||
| He just grappled. | ||
| And he got him in an arm bar. | ||
| That was like, they kind of had a deal. | ||
| Here's the Vandelay fight. | ||
| You got to remember, the Vandelay fight was when he had slimmed down. | ||
| It was after Randy had already fucked him up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was after Randy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When Randy fought him, Vitor was 240 and he looked like a lion. | ||
| He didn't even look like a person. | ||
| See if you can find Vitor. | ||
| This is Pride 5. I posted a picture of that a couple months ago about Vitor at that point before the Randy fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he had no known weaknesses. | ||
| Right, that's what it said. | ||
| No known weaknesses. | ||
| He lost to Sakuraba in this fight. | ||
| He hurt his hand. | ||
| Broke his hand early. | ||
| And this is also, this is Vitor after his sister got kidnapped and murdered. | ||
| He was a different guy then. | ||
| Sakuraba was so fucking tough too, man. | ||
| Sakuraba just knew how to survive. | ||
| See if you can find Vitor versus Randy Couture. | ||
| Because that's the crazy one. | ||
| When you just look at his build. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was so big, man. | ||
| It's like his traps were coming up to his ears. | ||
| Here it is, right here. | ||
| This is him versus Randy. | ||
| So this might be, it says Young Vitor Belfort, so it's probably only going to show you the good stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was so thick back then. | ||
| But the thing I remember is how big his neck was. | ||
| It started at the top of his head and worked its way down sideways at a 40 degree angle. | ||
| Those are the Wild West days, man. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, how many guys did you fight where you're like, oh, shit, this dude's definitely on the juice? | ||
| I didn't even think about juice back then. | ||
| I didn't even know what it was. | ||
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Really? | |
| I fought. | ||
| There's a video on YouTube. | ||
| I fought this guy. | ||
| So, Bosh Ruten was coming to Texas, and I was like, I was this huge Bosh Ruten fan, and he told my coach he was coming. | ||
| I emailed. | ||
| My coach emailed. | ||
| He said I could be there. | ||
| I was supposed to fight in Dallas that night. | ||
| I called the guy up in Dallas because I had fought for him before, and he shorted me on some money. | ||
| I was like, I'm not coming up there, man. | ||
| I'm not fighting for you. | ||
| And I went to this arena where Boss was going to be at. | ||
| And I told the guy, hey, anybody... | ||
| I walked into the rules meeting. | ||
| I was like, if anybody doesn't have an opponent, I'll fight. | ||
| And they gave me a guy that was like two-something. | ||
| Big Jack dude. | ||
| And a big, like a man. | ||
| And I was a child. | ||
| My roommate was like, hey, did you see your opponent? | ||
| I was like, no. | ||
| He's like, man, he's like 6'2". | ||
| He's probably like 220. He's jacked. | ||
| And I was like, and boss was like, Eve, Eve, Eve. | ||
| He's drinking. | ||
| He's like, Eve, you go out there and you fight and you win? | ||
| I'm going to be like, yeah. | ||
| You fight and you lose? | ||
| I'm going to be like, yeah. | ||
| Fuck these people. | ||
| They don't understand what it takes to get in there. | ||
| You don't worry about it. | ||
| I will corner you. | ||
| I was so excited. | ||
| It was the coolest fucking thing in the world. | ||
| Just having Boss Root in your corner. | ||
| What a motivating factor that is. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I was this excited kid. | ||
| I was watching all these Pancras videos. | ||
| I had pictures of myself. | ||
| Before I even knew the guy, before I had any idea I'd possibly meet him, I have pictures of myself doing that double front kick in my leg. | ||
| I still have him. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| And then I meet the guy and he's willing to corner me and whatnot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll fight anybody. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| I'll fight Dan Severn. | ||
| Dan Severn was there. | ||
| I'll fight him right now. | ||
| That is incredible. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| That's good, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| You're taking me back. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That's one of the beautiful things about MMA. Especially with a guy like you. | ||
| You were there for the... | ||
| Really, the beginning, the early, early, early days, man. | ||
| You were there when there was no money, no notoriety, no nothing. | ||
| Yeah, five shows a year, that type of stuff. | ||
| Josh Thompson posted a picture a couple days ago of him and Hermes. | ||
| Hermes Franca. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I forgot about that, dude. | ||
| That was a good fight. | ||
| I remember watching that and thinking, Josh, as he posted something about that fight, should have made him the number one guy. | ||
| Because, like, we were the guys at that point. | ||
| We were Hermes and Josh. | ||
| And when he beat Hermes, I was like, I gotta fight these guys. | ||
| These are the guys I want to fight. | ||
| Then I fought Hermes, and then it was like, that's it. | ||
| It's just Josh and I, we gotta do this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That highlight kick that you landed on him, too, was like one of those UFC pre-fight video highlight reel things that would play with the Who song. | ||
| Yeah, the Bob O'Reilly song. | ||
| Bob O'Reilly would play and you would land that jumping roundhouse kick to the neck. | ||
| That was a crazy highlight reel KO finish, man. | ||
| That was just old school good times, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those are the guys that I remember those days. | ||
| I remember when they had that tournament with Dean and Uno and Matt and... | ||
| Who was the third guy? | ||
| BJ. They had that tournament for the belt, and I was like, why am I not in this tournament? | ||
| I was angry. | ||
| I was young. | ||
| I had a little bit less fights than Dean at the time. | ||
| A little less experience at that high level, anyway. | ||
| And I was just like, I can fight these guys. | ||
| I can beat these guys. | ||
| I had just lost the decision to Uno. | ||
| I was like, yeah, I know how to be on this level. | ||
| I should be in this. | ||
| I was so pissed. | ||
| No, I remember those days, man. | ||
| Those... | ||
| It's fun thinking about them. | ||
| It's fun going back and watching the whole card because you start getting these memories of being around that, preparing for those days, being on the card and seeing those guys. | ||
| The fights were like in Bossier City, Louisiana. | ||
| Some small town, these small arenas where I'm close to Texas families driving over. | ||
| And then when I first went to Vegas to fight, man, that first fight in Vegas was right after 9-11. | ||
| Empty. | ||
| The casinos were empty. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| That's when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Matyushenko. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I was there for that. | ||
| I wasn't even working for the UFC then. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I was there as a guest. | ||
| I was there watching. | ||
| I remember Blotnick was there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the ways I got the job was by... | ||
| I became friends with Dana, and Dana and I would go to dinner, and I'd start asking him questions. | ||
| I'm like, have you ever seen Genki Sudo? | ||
| Have you ever seen this guy? | ||
| Have you ever talked about this guy? | ||
| What you try to do is get some of those K1 guys to come over. | ||
| I would just be telling him all this shit about fighting, and he was like, you want to do commentary? | ||
| I was like, I don't want to work, man. | ||
| He talked me into doing it. | ||
| That's literally how it happened. | ||
| Becoming friends with him, talking to him. | ||
| Oh, and he found some old... | ||
| He found a video of me on the Keenan Ivory Wayans show talking shit about what would happen if Steven Seagal fought in the Octagon. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I vaguely remember that. | ||
| Keenan had been in some movie with Steven Seagal, and I was fucking with him about the movie. | ||
| I was just joking around and mocking it. | ||
| I remember those rumors of you and Wesley Snipes getting in. | ||
| That was supposed to happen. | ||
| It should have happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he just needed money, man. | ||
| I think he just needed tax money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was at a point in my life where I was just dumb enough to do it. | ||
| I was like, I'll do this. | ||
| I was like, man, this dude got tapped out by Andy Dick. | ||
| Wesley, you can take it. | ||
| I got tickled out. | ||
| Tickling doesn't work, right? | ||
| No one's ever done that in a fight. | ||
| You wouldn't even feel it in a fight. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| You wouldn't even feel it. | ||
| Like if someone wasted time, like, come on, come on. | ||
| You just hit them. | ||
| Just elbow right in the mouth. | ||
| You're that close. | ||
| Imagine if someone was so ticklish that you could open up a submission. | ||
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Like a ticklishness could open up a submission. | |
| That's horrible. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You might be, like if someone's turtled up, you know, in your back, you can hit that rib tickle. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| I'm going to try that in the gym. | ||
| Yeah, in the gym it might work. | ||
| I'm gonna try to rib tickle somebody in the gym and I get their back next time. | ||
| Here's a question. | ||
| Has anybody ever knocked a guy out where someone's on your back and you hit him with one of these and knock him out? | ||
| I've never seen that. | ||
| I've never seen it either. | ||
| But I've seen people keep trying it. | ||
| They keep trying it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I don't think anybody's ever knocked anybody out with that. | ||
| Like, can you practice that? | ||
| Like, could you get a guy to ride your back with the pads on? | ||
| And he'd hold up pads, and you'd fucking... | ||
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That sounds dumb as shit. | |
| Sounds dumb as shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| I wouldn't do that. | ||
| But you know what does work that you can't do? | ||
| Headbutting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like if a guy's on your back, and if you've got wrist control, and you smash your head into his head, that is a legitimate technique. | ||
| You're smashing the back of your head into his nose. | ||
| That's legit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's legit. | ||
| But it's a headbutt. | ||
| It's a headbutt. | ||
| It's illegal. | ||
| But it opens up the rear naked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not the best defense. | ||
| The best defense is proper jujitsu defense, but there's something to headbutting someone who's got your back that it's another thing they have to think about. | ||
| But if you allowed headbutts, then you would allow the ultimate move from the rear naked choke position, which is him elbowing you in the back of the head. | ||
| That's the ultimate move. | ||
| That changes the whole position. | ||
| Yeah, but also headbutts changed the guard position, too. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Remember Mark Coleman when he fought Maury Smith? | ||
| In those old days, Coleman would get on top of guys and just smash his fucking head right into your nose. | ||
| There was an event from Australia from way back in the day, from I think the late 90s, where this guy won one of his fights in the tournament, or maybe a couple fights, from inside the guard headbutting. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And then I remember that. | ||
| Remember the guy who put his chin in the guy's eye socket? | ||
| Mark Kerr. | ||
| That was Kerr? | ||
| Kerr did that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Dan Bobish. | ||
| Dan Bobish. | ||
| Got on top of him, got the back of his head, stuffed his chin into his eye socket, and lifted up the back of his head and crushed his chin into his eyeball. | ||
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Yikes. | |
| That's gross. | ||
| That's as gross as it gets. | ||
| That's horrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I've seen a lot of those, you know, from the old school. | ||
| There was these things that would happen that would never happen today. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, and it's fun to watch some of that old stuff. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| He's just throwing, running in. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| Is that going to work? | ||
| That's Oleg Tektar. | ||
| And it looks like it. | ||
| The guy on the right, for a second, I thought it was Oleg Tektar. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, no, he would never do something like that. | ||
| That's a question I like to ask young, like, you know, like when they ask rappers, what do you think of Run DMC? Right. | ||
| Like, that's a question, that's a name that I'll drop on in young fighters, like Oleg Taktarov or Jerry Bolander or something like that. | ||
| Jerry Bolander. | ||
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You know? | |
| Yeah, Jerry Bolander became a cop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wilson Gouveia became a cop, too. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like a SWAT cop. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a talented guy. | ||
| He's like one of the baddest SWAT cops on the force, I hear. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| He was a talented guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was a guy that I was kind of surprised didn't go further. | ||
| Wilson was one of those guys who I believe couldn't put it together inside the octagon as well as he could in the gym. | ||
| And also, he could have put more effort into preparing. | ||
| Well, that's oftentimes the case. | ||
| The difference between someone... | ||
| Who just does fantastic and someone who just doesn't quite... | ||
| Just someone who falls up short. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it also comes from the way you come up in the sport. | ||
| Some of these guys, they come up and they're the best guy in their area for a long time. | ||
| And... | ||
| You kind of get this attitude or you start developing this persona of like, I don't have to do all that work because I'm not even doing that much and I'm still smashing everybody in here. | ||
| Well, that's where it's crazy about a guy like Jon Jones. | ||
| He actually can do that. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| He's one of the rare guys that actually can do that. | ||
| Man, I wonder how much money he's left on the table with all these problems, especially with the attention that Conor's brought to the sport and a guy like Jon Jones. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Good as he is. | ||
| Good as he is. | ||
| I feel like for the longest time, too, he was trying to push this goody-two-shoes image, and everybody was like, well, that's not you. | ||
| This is fake. | ||
| And then all of his problems sort of forced him to just be himself, and then people were like, we like you more now! | ||
| And then he winds up testing positive for something else. | ||
| Which I believe him, it was accidental. | ||
| I believe that it was accidental. | ||
| In this case, because it doesn't make any sense any other way. | ||
| Because if you look at how he tested positive and what he tested positive for, and how recently he tested negative before that, and how recently afterwards he tested negative, you're talking about something that was such a minuscule trace amount, there's no way you could consider taking something like that and having it have some sort of positive effect, performance enhancing effect. | ||
| Now, was that the substance? | ||
| Is it oral? | ||
| Can it be taken already? | ||
| Yeah, it can be taken oral. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, I've heard, and I don't know how true this is, I would expect it to be somewhat true, but I've heard, like, in boxing, you know, you... | ||
| The main eventers, they've had these issues where they would provide their own food because they don't trust the staff for somebody spiking their food with something. | ||
| You could definitely have that. | ||
| That sounds far-fetched, but it also sounds to some degree reasonable. | ||
| His position was weakened by his testimony in the California State Athletic Commission hearing because, first of all, he said that Malky had forged a signature on one of the documents, on one of the things that he was supposed to have gone over, like what you can and can't. | ||
| I think it was a USADA... I'm just kidding. | ||
| But that's not good and then there was a bunch of stuff in like what he Provided as a possible source of that stuff You know like he didn't he didn't have in these a lot of the things that he provided as a source this stuff in his list of stuff that he had taken Yeah, you know There's a lot going on there man, but the real problem is like John at one point Thomas being represented by Nike I mean, he was representing Nike. | ||
| He had a huge Nike contract. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's huge. | ||
| Goddamn, that was giant. | ||
| Because that was pre-Reebok, too. | ||
| That was the pre-Reebok days where he would have got all the juice. | ||
| He would have got it all. | ||
| You know, the coulda, shoulda, woulda shit goes on forever. | ||
| And on top of that, the coulda, woulda, shoulda, of that being pre-Reebok and it being Nike with everything that's come to the sport since then, imagine if John... | ||
| Like, he could have gone a Jordan route in some sense, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where he's got... | ||
| Whole line of John Jones, MMA type shit that's nice he's behind. | ||
| He could be the heavyweight champion right now. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| Absolutely, he could be in a super fight with Stipe. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That would be a huge fucking fight, man, for MMA. John coming up to heavyweight. | ||
| I mean, it's a huge fight with DC coming up to heavyweight. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the only guy to ever best him is John. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not just best him, he KO'd him. | ||
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| I mean, he hit him with that left high kick that DC said, you're not going to hit me with that left kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He literally said that because he was saying he exposes some tendencies. | ||
| He's like, oh, you mean the left kick? | ||
| You're not going to hit me with that left high kick. | ||
| And then, boom, he lands the left high kick. | ||
| Is that like the Titanic? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It only sank because they said it wouldn't? | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A couple weeks ago, I saw you at the Comedy Store and you asked me about your boy, Brendan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's explain the whole thing to people that don't know the story. | ||
| Brendan said something where... | ||
| He was talking about UFC Tonight, right? | ||
| It's UFC Tonight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he was talking about the Fox panel. | ||
| The Fox panel. | ||
| And he said something about, I get it, Fox, you're not racist. | ||
| Like saying that you have a bunch of black people on it because they're not racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're not racist. | ||
| Myself, Tyron, and Karen Bryant were the three that were on the desk that day. | ||
| But also a lot of times Rashad, a lot of times... | ||
| DC. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it was like, but are you checking off boxes? | ||
| Because are these the best brains and the best speakers for the job? | ||
| And it was like, and, you know, some people see the point that he was trying to make, the point that he claims that he was trying to make. | ||
| But the thing is, when you start in on this race thing, you're saying effectively that there's a person or a group of these people are only there because of the color of their skin. | ||
| You could say all of that without the whole, I get it, you're not racist. | ||
| Are you checking off boxes or whatever? | ||
| Because if that doesn't matter to the question or the point that you're trying to make, then why bring it up? | ||
| I feel like I know Brendan very well. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| He's one of my best friends. | ||
| He's definitely not a racist, but he definitely talks too much. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't mean that in a bad way like he talks too much I mean like he says he has too many podcasts and too many things and you say things and I'm a hundred percent guilty of this You say things and you're like why I even say that and then all of a sudden you're defending it and then you're caught up in a You know, just like a wave of just trying to sort out what you're saying without someone being there to say, well, look, here's the thing. | ||
| Tyron Woodley, UFC welterweight world champion. | ||
| Eve Edwards, arguably the best 155er in the world at one point in time. | ||
| Massive veteran in the sport. | ||
| You can go down the list. | ||
| Rashad Evans, former light heavyweight champion. | ||
| I mean, you're talking about top flight Champions, former champions, elite mixed martial artists. | ||
| But you also have Bisping, you also have Paul Felder, you also have... | ||
| Kenny? | ||
| Yeah, Kenny Florian. | ||
| They're just elite, top of the food chain fighters and analysts. | ||
| I think it was a bad path to go down. | ||
| I don't think it made sense. | ||
| I think he thought it made sense in his head when he was saying it. | ||
| I think maybe he was trying to be controversial. | ||
| Maybe just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It didn't make sense to me. | ||
| Yeah, it didn't make sense to me either. | ||
| But my thing about it wasn't, okay, you're being racist. | ||
| It's a thing when you bring race into the situation. | ||
| But my thing wasn't, you're racist because you say this. | ||
| My thing was, you're saying that I'm in this position because I'm not good enough. | ||
| You're saying that I'm only here because of affirmative action or whatever you want to call it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| There's not a quality to my work. | ||
| And that's where I'm like, yeah, fuck that. | ||
| That's not the case. | ||
| I know that I'm good at the sport, I understand the sport, and I'm good at explaining what I see. | ||
| Right, and who would, you know, the other thing is, like, who would replace them? | ||
| Is there white people that are missing out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On the gig? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody went to an audition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who's not getting the job, though? | ||
| Is there someone who's like, wow, this guy really speaks really well, but they're holding him down because he's white? | ||
| Has that even happened? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people would probably like that to happen, but I don't think that's actually happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree completely. | ||
| So we kind of went through that. | ||
| He sent me a message. | ||
| He apologized about that. | ||
| And I was like, cool. | ||
| Like my thing was not about the race thing. | ||
| My thing was you said these things and you're either saying somebody or a group of people up there aren't qualified for the job. | ||
| You're insinuating that a group of people that you belong to are not qualified to the job. | ||
| So that's where I was coming from with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then… I thought it was squash. | ||
| But then he said some other stuff after that. | ||
| And that's where I'm like, man. | ||
| What did he say afterwards? | ||
| He was, I think, I forget the guy's name. | ||
| Luke. | ||
| Sorry, I remember. | ||
| Luke Thomas, right? | ||
| He was on this guy, Luke Thomas' show. | ||
| And he's saying stuff. | ||
| He's specifically talking about me now. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I talked to them. | ||
| We're all friends. | ||
| I talked to Eve. | ||
| And he's like, well, see, Eve, there's something Eve sees in himself. | ||
| And I'm just like, man, you're not. | ||
| Is that really what he said? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like that's something Eve sees in himself. | ||
| He was aggressive. | ||
| He said he was emotional. | ||
| I never said to you I was emotional. | ||
| None of these things. | ||
| This bus is coming, you're waiting to throw me in front of it or some shit like that. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, no, that's not cool, man. | ||
| Like, we're not friends. | ||
| We know each other. | ||
| The extent of our friendship is like a UFC last summer. | ||
| I saw Brendan across the aisle and some guy rolled up on him and was talking to him for like 10 minutes. | ||
| And I'm looking back and I can see Brendan's like... | ||
| Trapped. | ||
| Because I'm like, let me go try and help him out. | ||
| So I go over there and I start talking to Brendan. | ||
| And then the dude just hangs out. | ||
| I talked to Brendan for about 5-10 minutes. | ||
| And then the dude just hanging out behind us and I'm just like... | ||
| That's all I got, man. | ||
| I'm going back to my seat. | ||
| And the guy jumps right back in. | ||
| That's the extent of it. | ||
| I've seen him at different places beyond that. | ||
| Brian and I are cool, so I've seen him sometimes when I've seen Brian. | ||
| But we're not boys. | ||
| We don't know each other like that. | ||
| And you're not a psychologist. | ||
| You're not a psychiatrist. | ||
| So you're not qualified to be speaking on my mental state. | ||
| I didn't know that he said that. | ||
| I feel like now that I'm remembering it, you might have brought that up at the comedy store the other night. | ||
| It didn't make any sense. | ||
| I'm Brendan's friend, and I can't defend him on that, because it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It just didn't... | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But sometimes he says shit that doesn't make sense, and maybe if you were in the room with him, he wouldn't have said it, or maybe he would have said it better, or maybe he would have said, are these really the best minds? | ||
| But here's the argument. | ||
| If they're not, who are? | ||
| Like, you really, if you say, are these really the best minds, you really should provide better alternatives. | ||
| So who are the better alternatives? | ||
| Who's the better alternative? | ||
| I mean, there's a bunch of really good guys online. | ||
| Brendan Dorman does some really good stuff. | ||
| Lawrence Kenshin does some really good stuff about analyzing stuff. | ||
| I don't know how good they are on camera. | ||
| There's a bunch of people like, you know, that do good... | ||
| Robin Black does some real good breakdowns and stuff like that. | ||
| I mean, maybe there's an argument that he would do a great job at something like that for sure. | ||
| But... | ||
| It's not like there's some overwhelming absence of the best guys where they're saying, hey, why are you going with these black guys instead of going with the best guys? | ||
| Why don't you have blah, blah, blah? | ||
| There's no blah, blah, blah. | ||
| There's no guy out there. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Who would that guy be? | ||
| I have no idea, but there's also a formula. | ||
| I mean, you and Jimmy Smith kind of are the exception to the formula, and the formula is to have the color guy and the play-by-play guy, and the play-by-play guy is usually the one with the actual experience. | ||
| You've been doing it so long, you're as close to having the experience as anybody can without having it. | ||
| And Jimmy's right there next to you in that. | ||
| Jimmy's actually more experienced than me because he's fought MMA. Right. | ||
| He's had a couple of fights. | ||
| Not at that level, but he understands. | ||
| Robin Black has had two or three fights. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| That's the formula, though. | ||
| Karen is on the other side of that. | ||
| Karen just... | ||
| Her role is similar to Goldie's. | ||
| She is the person that asks the questions, that has an idea, but doesn't have the experience. | ||
| She represents the fan for the most part. | ||
| And she does it in a non-robotic way, which is very important. | ||
| For the person watching, if you've got some guy who's like a radio DJ coming at you, Those people, they know how to say the right words and they can do it and seem professional, but you're not smooth. | ||
| Whereas Karen knows how to be fun and she can be loose and she's non-robotic while being professional. | ||
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And she's knowledgeable. | |
| She has a knowledge of the sport to some degree. | ||
| And a passion for it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The passion is what makes it even more out of her, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I was watching NFL the other day, and I was watching it. | ||
| Was it with you? | ||
| Whatever it was where I was like, is that girl really the best person to be interviewing these fucking giants? | ||
| Wasn't you? | ||
| I was like, is that girl really know? | ||
| You've seen that, but she's hot or something, right? | ||
| Yeah, she's hot as fuck. | ||
| I was like, does she really know about football? | ||
| Or is this just a gig? | ||
| Because she wants to be famous. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's a lot of those. | ||
| Whereas you would say, okay, there's got to be someone out there that's better, who really understands the game, who could get in there and ask questions to this dude and find out why they chose that play, what went wrong, what was he thinking when this happened. | ||
| Someone who really is a fan of it. | ||
| That's what I want to see with fighting. | ||
| To me, fighting is so much more personal, so much more intense. | ||
| When I see someone that's interviewing someone, I want to see someone who really fucking cares, because I know there's a lot of people who do care. | ||
| And I care. | ||
| If I'm interviewing someone after a fight, I'm trying my best. | ||
| To figure out what was happening in their head. | ||
| There's some critical moments. | ||
| I want to know, was this a plan? | ||
| Did you see this in advance? | ||
| Is this something you saw in training when you were watching tapes? | ||
| I have questions, like fan questions. | ||
| So I do my best to relay those. | ||
| That's what I do my best. | ||
| If I feel like someone's... | ||
| Phoning it in, or this isn't a job they're interested in, or they really just want to be in, you know, some other sport. | ||
| They really wanted to be a fucking baseball commentator, but there was no gig. | ||
| You know, they're just fucking half-assing it. | ||
| You know, it's just... | ||
| It's weak. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| One thing I loved, one thing I always tried to do, I always wanted to make you... | ||
| I tried to make you laugh. | ||
| Every post-fight interview. | ||
| Anytime, like, it was like, I won as knockout. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to talk to Joe. | ||
| Let's see what he gives me. | ||
| See if he gives me something I can try to make him laugh with. | ||
| Sometimes I came with something set up, but there was one time, I forget who it was, I think it was a Jeremy Stephens, and you would ask me to take you to the replay, and I was literally watching it, and you would ask me a question, and I wasn't even paying attention to you, so it worked out perfectly. | ||
| I was like, Joe, I'm sorry, I was watching that, and I was going to ask you to ask the question again, and it hit me, and I was just thinking, damn, I'm smooth. | ||
| And I got that reaction out of you, so that was fun. | ||
| That would be a natural reaction if you said that. | ||
| I also like helping the guy celebrate. | ||
| There's moments when someone does something where someone almost has to tell you how amazing that was. | ||
| You know it was amazing, but I want to let you feel it even more. | ||
| Like when Rose Namajunas beat Ioana. | ||
| That, to me, is one of my favorite all-time post-it fight interviews. | ||
| Because she's like, y'all just be a good person. | ||
| This belt don't mean shit. | ||
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I was like, damn, Rose is out there. | |
| She's so unusual. | ||
| And to have her walk through it like this impossible underdog coming in. | ||
| And even if she won, everybody thought she'd win by submission. | ||
| You didn't think she'd just step in and crack her with a left hook and then drop her. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| That was crazy! | ||
| Watching that fight was crazy! | ||
| Here's a good one for you on another big fight. | ||
| I feel like there's a moment in a fight, especially when you get a finish. | ||
| Sometimes there's a moment that comes just before the finish that you recognize this opportunity is there and you jump on it. | ||
| And then there are times before the moment happens. | ||
| Before the shot comes, it's like, this guy's about to throw his right hand and I know I'm going to slip it and drop my right on top of it. | ||
| But then there are times when you hit a guy and it's like, oh, this is my chance. | ||
| And you jump on him. | ||
| And you know the end is near, and all that rush when the referee steps, that's the moment, that's the biggest moment. | ||
| When the referee stops the fight, that's when you come. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you could figure out how to ask that question, because... | ||
| Getting someone to explain that moment is... | ||
| If they can translate that, that's so sweet. | ||
| I can think of one of my last fights with Stevens. | ||
| When I hit him, I knew what I was doing. | ||
| And I knew I was going to land the punch. | ||
| And then as he went down, it was like, oh shit, here's that moment. | ||
| And you jump on it, you know? | ||
| That's the best thing to get out of guys. | ||
| And you asked that question well, but also if they can see it coming. | ||
| Man, seeing that coming, that's the thing. | ||
| That's when it's like, this chick is hot and I know I'm going to get it. | ||
| It's that moment when it's like, oh, this is actually happening. | ||
| What do you miss the most about fighting? | ||
| What don't I miss? | ||
| I love that challenge, man. | ||
| That's why I still like training and whatnot, but the actual fight itself, it's because everything's on the line. | ||
| Have you thought about doing grappling competitions or anything where there's no striking? | ||
| I have not. | ||
| I've thought about it once or twice but not been committed to doing it. | ||
| I'm starting to train more now, again. | ||
| I had some things happening in life that were changing for me. | ||
| I just moved out here and I didn't have the... | ||
| The team, the foundation behind me. | ||
| I didn't have the group that I was with all the time anymore. | ||
| I had to find a new group, start to build a new group. | ||
| And now that we have this group, I feel more comfortable. | ||
| I'm back in the gym more. | ||
| I'm able to do more like that. | ||
| I'm still in good shape. | ||
| And yeah, I feel like maybe I want to compete again. | ||
| But just for the fun of it. | ||
| Not to try and be a world champion or anything. | ||
| But compete in MMA or compete in jiu-jitsu? | ||
| I still love MMA. It doesn't make sense though. | ||
| There are definitely some fights that I wish could have happened or that I would have had. | ||
| What fight do you feel like you missed out on? | ||
| Fighting Gomi at one point, you know? | ||
| When Gomi was Gomi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd throw those fucking fast-pitch baseball punches, man. | ||
| Like, the Pride tournament? | ||
| I would have loved to fought everybody in that tournament. | ||
| You know, every individual. | ||
| I fought Hanson. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| He smelled like ass, but that was fun. | ||
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Did he? | |
| It was horrible. | ||
| Do you think he did it on purpose? | ||
| One of those guys? | ||
| He does that every fight. | ||
| Doesn't wash for a few days? | ||
| Yeah, it was bad. | ||
| Shoot. | ||
| Sakurai? | ||
| Fights like that, you know? | ||
| But now, there's still some guys. | ||
| I have a lot of respect for it. | ||
| I talked to Joe Lozon about it. | ||
| I was like, man, I'd love to fight a guy like Joe Lozon. | ||
| But that was right after the first year of being retired. | ||
| How many years have you been retired now? | ||
| Five? | ||
| Three. | ||
| Since 2000. It was almost four. | ||
| November will be four. | ||
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| You just miss me, Joe. | ||
| I do. | ||
| You just miss me. | ||
| No, I do. | ||
| You just miss seeing that left leg kick. | ||
| It's one of those things where you love it so much. | ||
| There are times when I'm watching fights, man, and there are some guys that are just outside the top 15. I couldn't tell you any names right now, but like Jake Matthews when he was at 55. Like, I feel like this kid is good and he's awesome. | ||
| They're much bigger than they were back in my day, but still, I'm like, man, sometimes I watch fights and I'm like, man, you motherfuckers are so lucky I'm not 25. Just because of the things you know now, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But isn't that the thing, right? | ||
| The older fighters have way more knowledge and understanding of what to do, but their body doesn't respond that way anymore. | ||
| And that's sort of the balance of it all, is that the young fighters have all the piss and vinegar and fast twitch muscle fibers, and they don't know that much. | ||
| For me, I feel... | ||
| Because I still move around. | ||
| I still spar. | ||
| I still spar with Joe and Mickey and those guys. | ||
| And I can do a lot of the things that I've always been able to do. | ||
| It has to do with, for the most part, for me, the recovery. | ||
| Like, the next day... | ||
| If I go hard today, I can't go hard tomorrow. | ||
| I can't go hard four days a week anymore. | ||
| I can go hard once or twice a week. | ||
| And as I get in better shape, the twice will be more consistent. | ||
| But... | ||
| The recovery, I can still move very close to just as fast as I've always been. | ||
| I think that will go away at some point, but I still have it. | ||
| And I can't take it like I used to. | ||
| That's a difference. | ||
| In the gym, I still walk through some things, but I don't know about in competition when it's all in line. | ||
| Because again, I think your brain kind of You're in a different mindset. | ||
| Do you think about that when you're sparring right now? | ||
| Because you really don't have a need to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I still love sparring. | ||
| I don't do it nearly as much as I used to. | ||
| I do think about that. | ||
| It's so fun though. | ||
| It's so much fun. | ||
| And I'm like, you only got one. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, you got one. | ||
| I don't want to be... | ||
| But you don't want to live the last 20 of that one. | ||
| Drooling. | ||
| Shit in your pants, and where are my keys? | ||
| I don't want that, so I try to exercise my brain as much as I can, but... | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| You know, reading. | ||
| I do a lot of the brain cognitive games, like, you know, a lot of things with numbers and crosswords, and I just... | ||
| That's a hard thing for me to not do something because if I'm awake and I'm not occupied, my thoughts are just going. | ||
| So that's something else I've been doing. | ||
| I've started to write things down. | ||
| I've been doing some stunt work, acting, right? | ||
| So... | ||
| Lately, I've been watching old shows and just watching it for the acting. | ||
| And I'll find a script and I'll stand in front of the mirror by myself and do some things. | ||
| Oh, that's so weird. | ||
| Try to play some things out. | ||
| I'm just going through all of it. | ||
| I did... | ||
| I did a small movie. | ||
| They're doing a movie about Nick Newell, right? | ||
| So I fight the guy that's playing Nick Newell in one scene early in his career. | ||
| Nick Newell's the fighter who has one arm? | ||
| One arm, right. | ||
| Does the guy in the movie have one arm as well? | ||
| No, but they green screen it. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So the whole time he has his green sleeve over his arm, and he has it out here, and he's moving it. | ||
| We choreographed the fight, and we have to kind of account for all of that in the choreography with the green screen and all that. | ||
| It's cool, though. | ||
| But I got a couple lines. | ||
| I did some lines. | ||
| And the first time I did lines was with Kevin Pollack. | ||
| So that was cool for me. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I did an episode of Ballers for the next season. | ||
| So that was cool. | ||
| Did you work with The Rock? | ||
| No, I worked with Ricky, so J.D. Washington. | ||
| So that was cool. | ||
| And I had met, I didn't, I watched these shows, I didn't know his name was J.D. Washington. | ||
| I just knew his name was J.D. from being on set. | ||
| I always called him Ricky. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| Somebody told me he was related to Denzel Washington. | ||
| And then I find out that his last name is Washington when I'm on set and I'm looking at the call sheet. | ||
| And I'm like, are you related to Denzel? | ||
| And he's like, yeah. | ||
| He has this look on his face like, oh, fuck, you know. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| And I knew he was related, but I thought he would tell me how at the time. | ||
| And I didn't know, but later I found out that it was his dad. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| I think that's his dad, you know, from the information that I've got. | ||
| But I had met his dad also, worked with him on Equalizer. | ||
| For the Equalizer 2, we were helping him build the scenes. | ||
| We were choreographing the scenes and teaching the choreography for that. | ||
| And I have this... | ||
| This thing where he's giving me voice lessons. | ||
| I have this thing with Denzel Washington giving me voice lessons. | ||
| What kind of lessons? | ||
| These tongue twisters that he says to practice enunciating. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| It's kind of dope. | ||
| So we're in the gym, we're working out, and he's like, so he says them to me, and he's like, you should write this down. | ||
| Because my buddy tells him, yeah, he does stuff on the Fox desk for UFC. And so he's like, he pays a little more attention to me at that point. | ||
| He's like, yeah, he's going back to theater. | ||
| He wants to do some theater because he wants to clean up his stuff. | ||
| And so he's like, you should write this down. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck, I grabbed my phone and I start recording. | ||
| And then he sees that I'm recording. | ||
| So he comes over and he's speaking into my phone. | ||
| And I'm like, I have this shit on my phone. | ||
| I have this Denzel Washington voice coaching me. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Dude, that's huge. | ||
| Super dope, right? | ||
| So that's what you're out here for? | ||
| That's what you're gonna do, other than Fox desk, you're doing some acting, some other shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like I'm a kid again, right? | ||
| And I have my side card. | ||
| So I have a ticket to the theme park, so why not just try the rides? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| It's something new to do, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, that's what I'm doing. | ||
| I know Bisping's doing a lot of work. | ||
| Bisping's doing a lot. | ||
| And I did a movie with Bisping. | ||
| Well, he had a big role in the film. | ||
| Kung Lee did a lot of shit, right? | ||
| Kung Lee's doing a lot, man. | ||
| There's quite a few guys that are like Jay Heron. | ||
| Jay's doing a lot of stunts. | ||
| You know, I... Stunts are great, especially when you're doing fights. | ||
| But I'm a 155-pounder. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm not going to be doing a whole lot of fighting in movies. | ||
| A guy like Tate. | ||
| Tate's doing so much. | ||
| He's in every movie, die him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He has the look, and he's a big guy. | ||
| So he's getting a lot of work in that capacity. | ||
| But as a stuntman, I'm a smaller guy. | ||
| And most of the time, when you want someone my size, you're going to want... | ||
| Someone that can do other things, like a lot of the gymnasts and that type of thing. | ||
| And I can do some of that, but nowhere near as good as those guys. | ||
| And I'm not learning how to get hit by a car or get lit on fire. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Or fall on a motorcycle. | ||
| Yeah, that's not happening. | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I like the way you think. | ||
| I want to get better at this acting thing and try that out some, because it's fun also. | ||
| I played myself on the episode of Ballers, and I was like, this feels good! | ||
| Like, the acting thing. | ||
| It's like, this is fun! | ||
| It's a different kind of rush, you know? | ||
| It's a new thing. | ||
| I'm gonna pick your brain. | ||
| I'm gonna ask you for some advice and tips. | ||
| Didn't you do stand-up? | ||
| I did a couple sets. | ||
| Did you do it at the dime bar? | ||
| I did it at the dime. | ||
| I'm going to do it again. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I mean, I've done it a few times. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| I don't feel like I'm funny. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| You're funny, dude. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| It's work for everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems a lot easier than it is. | ||
| It's not easy at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| It seems like it. | ||
| It's not easy at all. | ||
| Dude, it's just talking. | ||
| How can that be hard? | ||
| But, see, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like, people are like, man, you fought in an octagon. | ||
| You fought in millions of people, this and that. | ||
| It's like, yeah, but I'm not looking at them. | ||
| You know, the thing is, too, all new things are difficult. | ||
| It doesn't matter what difficult things you do. | ||
| Try taking up chess for the first time. | ||
| It's difficult. | ||
| Try anything. | ||
| Everything that's hard to do is difficult. | ||
| It doesn't matter how many difficult things you've done. | ||
| You might have a better understanding of how to perform under pressure than other people do, but it's still going to be hard. | ||
| Yeah, nothing worth doing is easy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because if it was easy, everybody would do it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, that's the thing. | ||
| The other thing that I'm doing is I do a show on this platform called Pluto. | ||
| So I have this show called The Thug Jitsu Master and Squid Show. | ||
| And buddy, the squid, we interview guys that got fights coming up. | ||
| We do a lot of stuff with fighters. | ||
| We get coaches. | ||
| We get people that have nothing to do with fighting. | ||
| But we make it fun. | ||
| So what is this song? | ||
| On Pluto. | ||
| What is Pluto? | ||
| Pluto is a platform. | ||
| You can get it on your iPhone or on a Galaxy. | ||
| Is it an app? | ||
| It's an app. | ||
| You can get it on the PlayStation, on Apple TV, and all these things. | ||
| Do you know what it is? | ||
| You heard of it? | ||
| He knows. | ||
| They have a fight channel. | ||
| They got a 24-hour glory channel. | ||
| So they got glory running 24-7. | ||
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What? | |
| They got a fight channel where they have MMA fights. | ||
| That's all you need to tell me. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| A glory channel? | ||
| A glory channel. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And yeah, so we do it over there. | ||
| We got a thing. | ||
| We do a thing called Fight Party Live where we watch the fights, but we just hang out with... | ||
| We watch the fights and we just hang out and... | ||
| Basically do a podcast while we're doing it. | ||
| Pluto TV, it's free. | ||
| Everything's free. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| 100 plus channels, find what you want. | ||
| They got everything on there. | ||
| Why have I seen this before? | ||
| No, you know what I'm thinking of? | ||
| There's something on the Amazon... | ||
| What is the thing that's on TV? The Amazon Fire? | ||
| You can put this on that. | ||
| That's what I think I've seen. | ||
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That's on there too. | |
| I think I've seen a dude who had it and there was a whole channel that was dedicated to the Montreal Comedy Festival. | ||
| Just for Laughs festival? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have a stand-up channel. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Nice. | ||
| They have everything. | ||
| So what is this show called again? | ||
| The Thug Jitsu Master and Squid Show. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Dude, it's already three o'clock. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We've been doing this for how long now? | ||
| Over three hours. | ||
| Over three hours. | ||
| Crazy, right? | ||
| We had a time warp. | ||
| How the fuck did that happen? | ||
| That's how it goes. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, thank you for having me, Joe. | ||
| Do we need to say anything more about the Brendan Schaub thing? | ||
| Did we cover it enough? | ||
| Man, as far as it goes, it's just like... | ||
| That's a conversation. | ||
| We need to talk. | ||
| Him and Hugh. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weird situation for me because I love the guy and he's one of my best friends. | ||
| And also, I can't defend what he said because it doesn't totally make sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, what I'm saying when I said he talks too much, I do too. | ||
| I say stupid shit. | ||
| I don't mean to say stupid shit. | ||
| I don't say that stupid. | ||
| I didn't say that thing. | ||
| I wouldn't say it like that. | ||
| But sometimes you say things, you don't even know why the fuck you're saying it. | ||
| A lot of it also is just ranting. | ||
| You go into these rants, and you say shit, and then you see if you can back it up once you've said it. | ||
| Yeah, just don't revisit dumb shit. | ||
| It was insensitive. | ||
| It didn't make sense, and it was insensitive. | ||
| And I bet he regrets it. | ||
| Well, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| That's an assumption we're making, right? | ||
| Yeah, well, I know the guy. | ||
| That's why I'm saying it. | ||
| He's not a bad guy. | ||
| By any stretch of the imagination, he's awesome. | ||
| I'm not the guy saying, like, you're a racist for saying this. | ||
| My thing is... | ||
| When you're talking about the first, the initial part of it, and I conveyed this to him, you know, was you're saying me or my brother or my sister aren't good enough to be here. | ||
| So, like, that's disrespectful because I fully believe that we all are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that part, and he apologized for that and we're cool there, you know? | ||
| And then why are you talking about, like, this is what I see in myself? | ||
| Because no, dog, that's not how it is. | ||
| I don't know why I said that. | ||
| You're not a psychologist. | ||
| You're not a psychiatrist. | ||
| You have no... | ||
| Qualifications to speak on my mental state. | ||
| Well, it's just weird, too, that you guys haven't... | ||
| I think you should... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think sometimes someone says something instead of just straight up saying they fucked up, they say, I fucked up, but... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But his issue is because of this. | ||
| Something else is going on with him that's making him react this way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm more concerned with his pants. | ||
| Those shredded up pants he wears. | ||
| Those disturb me way more than what he said. | ||
| I can't defend either one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just don't wear women's pants. | ||
| I don't think they're women's. | ||
| They have hold in them. | ||
| They have hold in them. | ||
| Because we went through that at the beginning of the show. | ||
| Do they have holes in them? | ||
| It depends on how many holes, right? | ||
| It depends on where the holes are, I guess. | ||
| Well, if you earn those holes, like if you work construction, you got like a real hole. | ||
| Yeah, you get your pants snagged on it. | ||
| Yeah, you got to do what you got to do. | ||
| If you're a farmer, you got like real barbed wire holes in your pants, that's a different animal. | ||
| You know, that's okay. | ||
| You earn those holes. | ||
| You wore your jeans out, they start ripping in places. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| You can't afford to buy some new ones. | ||
| Yeah, but if you paid a lot of money for pants that are already fucked up, you saw that shit in a magazine somewhere, that's what bothers me about Brendan. | ||
| Fucking pants. | ||
| This bothers me too, but what really bothers me, I like you a lot. | ||
| You've always been cool, and I think you do a great job, and I said that very early on when you first started doing it. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| I tweeted it or something. | ||
| Actually, and you said it to me too, the last time I was here, Joe and I came to do a Glory Fight companion with you. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I remember everything you say, Joe. | ||
| That's good, because I don't. | ||
| Especially when it's about me. | ||
| Because there was a time when you were like, look at Josh, he's so strong. | ||
| Look how he just gets right back up. | ||
| He's the stronger guy. | ||
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Oh! | |
| You remember that, too. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| I love it because there's a couple times when, you're not disparaging of either fighter, but there's a couple times when you start seeing a strength in another guy, and there's two fights for me where that happened, and I was able to just clip him right as you're giving the other guy some praise. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| I was like, yeah, Joe, shut up! | ||
| Give me some love! | ||
| Give him some love, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thugjitsu Master on Twitter. | ||
| What's your Instagram? | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Thugjitsu Master. | ||
| Thugjitsu Master and the Squid. | ||
| And Squid Show. | ||
| On Pluto. |
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