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April 2, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:38:16
Joe Rogan Experience #1098 - Eddie Bravo
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brendan schaub
41:26
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eddie bravo
23:12
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joe rogan
01:27:41
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jamie vernon
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unidentified
*Sigh* No headphones?
brendan schaub
I'd rather not have headphones.
joe rogan
You're crazy.
brendan schaub
No, because I learned that hearing my own voice in my head makes me focus on it, and I don't want to focus on the sound of my voice.
joe rogan
I want to focus on the thoughts.
brendan schaub
I'm focusing on, ooh, it's like blowing out in my head and all this shit's going on.
joe rogan
That's smart.
Tell me one.
What's up?
We were talking about whether or not you should have headphones on or not have headphones on.
Are we up?
No?
If you're hearing the audio recording of this, what's happening is we switched to a new TriCaster.
We were having problems with our old one.
The TriCaster is the machine that allows Jamie to switch cameras and put everything up on the internet and hopefully include Skype so we could get some people from like...
jamie vernon
It's getting signaled but there's no video showing.
joe rogan
Are we going to restart?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
I'm trying to make sure that that's actually true.
Sorry.
joe rogan
It's okay.
We might have to restart, folks.
We're trying live while we're going live with some new shit.
But I want people on YouTube.
Is it?
Audio but no video.
jamie vernon
I don't know why.
I'll figure that out in a second.
joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, if you are just staring at a blank screen, would you have to shut this show down to get the video back up?
unidentified
I shouldn't have to.
jamie vernon
It should work.
joe rogan
Alright, just do a double camera, a two-shot.
jamie vernon
I think it's going to be okay now.
joe rogan
Is it live now?
brendan schaub
It would suck if we did like a half an hour and it turns out none of it got picked up or we did a whole show.
joe rogan
It's going on YouTube right now for sure, just they don't see us right now.
He's trying to fix that.
Tech motherfuckingology.
We were having problems with our old TriCaster crashing a lot, so we got a new TriCaster.
But it turns out that...
What is it that doesn't match up?
What part is wrong?
The control panel?
jamie vernon
There it goes, there it goes, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie vernon
Now we're live.
unidentified
Hey, everybody.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
What were we just talking about?
We're talking about material.
jamie vernon
Headphones.
joe rogan
Headphones.
Oh, listen to yourself in the headphones.
What I think of is though, it makes me like, I close out the outside world totally and I just lock in on the conversation.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's only psychological.
But if he puts up a video, it would be nice to hear it.
Then you put your headphones on.
joe rogan
Right, then you have to put the headphones on.
I just feel like when that's on, it's just like I pay more attention to it.
Not talking over people, too.
eddie bravo
I can't stand the sound of my voice.
brendan schaub
So hearing it in my...
unidentified
You've got a beautiful voice, bro.
brendan schaub
Thank you.
Thank you.
But I can't stand the sound of it.
And I hear it enough.
I don't need it blasting in my ears as I talk.
Then I focus on it.
And then I get depressed.
joe rogan
I think that's a good quality.
It's a good quality to hate your own voice.
brendan schaub
Dude.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Because if you love your own voice, you would listen to it all the time.
Like, ugh.
eddie bravo
You know how hard it is to listen to my stand-up?
brendan schaub
That's very hard.
unidentified
For everybody.
brendan schaub
It's death.
It kills me.
eddie bravo
But I always hear your voice.
brendan schaub
You've got to listen to your shit.
You've got to go back and edit.
You've got to edit your shit.
eddie bravo
I'm like, I don't want to listen to myself.
I want to put every time I go up on stage behind me.
brendan schaub
I don't want to go back.
But I know that's not the right thing to do.
joe rogan
You take a lot of time out of the development of a joke process if you just listen to the previous versions of it.
Because I have this new bit that I'm doing right now, and I have three different versions of it.
Right now it's very shaky.
It's very shaky.
It goes one way, it goes the other way.
Sometimes it gets big laughs, sometimes it's just clunky.
And I've got to figure out which one's the right formula.
So the only way to do that really is to listen to how I did it right and then play it back and then write it out.
I'll listen to how I said it and then I'll write it out.
And then I'll think about what I would be thinking if I was sitting there listening to this or someone was saying this.
Would I anticipate what they're saying, what the punchlines are going to be beforehand?
Because if you do, that takes a lot out of it.
You've got to find a way to sneak it in.
You've got to find a way to make it where it really relates.
eddie bravo
You ever have an old bit that you like an old one from like 10-15 years ago that you think like damn I should have added that you know, you're adding shit to it today.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man If you kept going that's like the argument like Ari had a good point about that.
He was like if you Just keep adding to your bits and making them better and that's why you don't want to release a special you could have used that same creativity to come up with new bits and Instead of doing the same old bits for 10 years, you could have used that.
Because there's some guys that think that.
If you've got those old, old, old bits, they're samurai swords, man.
They've just been hammered down and polished tight.
Certain bits, they have this rhythm to them.
You're like, Jesus Christ.
I remember...
I did a I did a special once and I ran I didn't have like hardly any new material and so there's like 2009 ish or something like that so I did some of my old old shit from like 1999 Tiger bit no no it was uh some other stuff What I didn't I didn't do that bit when I retired that bit I retired that you gotta bring that you could always bring that back you could always bring that back It's over.
But I remember thinking, damn, these 10-year-old bits that I had for literally 10 years before I did my first recording.
I started in 88, and I recorded in 99. So almost 11 years before I actually recorded anything.
They were so tight!
Because I'd never done them on anything.
So I could do them all the time.
I'd do them on the road.
I'd just...
eddie bravo
It's like jujitsu.
joe rogan
Yup.
Yup.
You learn that path.
brendan schaub
Yeah, your go-to's.
You got like a fucking ninja.
It's unconscious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I love your description of it.
You were talking about tying your shoes.
You know how you tie your shoes?
You don't think this loop's going in here and this is going in here and then I'm going to bring it here.
You just do it like that.
brendan schaub
You couldn't even teach it to someone over the phone.
unidentified
I couldn't explain.
brendan schaub
Teach me over the phone and be like, I gotta do it a few times first and figure out what the hell I'm doing, because I don't even know what I'm doing.
joe rogan
I have no idea what I'm doing when I tie my shoes, and I do it every day.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
My son, when he learned to tie his shoes maybe six months ago, he never wanted to.
brendan schaub
He wants to do everything.
eddie bravo
He wants to decide where we eat every day, but he doesn't want to tie his own shoelaces.
brendan schaub
So we finally made him, and he was struggling with it.
And I use that as an opportunity to show him how you can master anything, anything that you're having trouble with.
Go, look, right now, you're having trouble with it.
You could do it.
He could do it.
But he struggles.
I said, one day you're going to do it like daddy.
Look how daddy does it.
I'm not even looking at my shoes.
Look.
And I do it, and I go, boom.
eddie bravo
And he's like, I go, look at daddy.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
eddie bravo
Isn't that crazy?
brendan schaub
I'll do it again.
Look, my other shoe.
eddie bravo
And I do it and he's like, whoa, how did you do that, Daddy?
brendan schaub
That's like magic.
eddie bravo
And I go, you can do it too.
brendan schaub
Watch, one day you're going to do it and you're not even going to look.
So like the next day he's trying not to look.
eddie bravo
He's like, Daddy, I'm not looking.
unidentified
Look.
brendan schaub
He's struggling, but now he's got it.
eddie bravo
So now I could use that, that whole story that he won't forget and go, remember when you had trouble tying your shoes?
brendan schaub
And remember how good you get?
Look how you are now.
This is the same thing.
Whether it's gymnastics or breakdancing or jujitsu or karate, whatever we do, it's the same exact thing.
Your body is magic.
You just gotta tell it a thousand times.
eddie bravo
And then it finally listens and it'll do it itself.
joe rogan
I thought about that today.
Not today, but now.
If I had to learn today how to do a 360 roundhouse kick at 50 years old, I'd be like, what?
What am I going to do?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hold on.
What are you doing?
But when I do it, it's just something I've done my whole life.
It's like a dance.
brendan schaub
And your bits, like you were talking about, your Noah's Ark bit was so goddamn tight.
Back in the day, if you went on the road, I hung out with you.
I went on the road.
If you weren't on the road, we were at the comedy store.
Every weekend you weren't on the road.
So I saw your act over and over and over to the point where I wasn't listening to the jokes no more.
I was listening to the audience reaction.
That was what was entertaining.
eddie bravo
I gotta sit through another hour of your shit.
So for me, I started being entertained by the audience, like which jokes worked.
brendan schaub
And it's fascinating when there's women out there That go out there and they had to drag their husband out.
He didn't want to go out.
He wanted to stay.
She goes, you never take me out.
eddie bravo
And she dragged him out.
He spent a lot of money.
brendan schaub
They're buying money.
They're buying drinks.
eddie bravo
She wants to make sure that they have a great time.
So there's always like 10 of those wives that drag their husbands out and they just want to laugh.
brendan schaub
So they're laughing at stuff that isn't the punchline.
There were so many things that you would say that just the way you said them, it wasn't the joke at all, but they'd be like four chicks, four, just laugh, and they're like ready to laugh, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, people that love stand-up comedy, you definitely can get into certain rhythms, but then it's like everything else, right?
You like one level of comedy, like one kind of comedy, but then you see a bunch of comedians, and then the original stuff that you liked, you think sucks.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
I used to think Comic View was the funniest shit.
I was obsessed with...
eddie bravo
My whole life was all about music, but my two side things were fighting.
I loved boxing ever since I was a kid.
brendan schaub
I was a huge, gigantic boxing fan.
Then I got into the UFC. And then comedy.
eddie bravo
All I taped at home on my VCR was comedy specials and Tuesday night fights, any kind of boxing.
It was just comedy and fights.
joe rogan
I'm in the same boat.
eddie bravo
Comedy and fights were my hobby and music was the goal.
That was my life.
I taped any time Comic View was on.
joe rogan
Which one's Comic View?
brendan schaub
It was all black.
joe rogan
Is that BET? Yes, yes.
Is that the one that D.L. Hughley used to host?
Yeah, okay.
eddie bravo
And, you know, Live at the Apollo, the Def Comedy Jams.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
I was the biggest fan of black comedy.
The biggest fan.
brendan schaub
I mean, you know, right away.
eddie bravo
And then you look back at some of those stand-ups.
After hanging out with you, though, I started going...
brendan schaub
Oh shit, okay, that's low level.
eddie bravo
A lot of those guys are low level.
joe rogan
Well, it's just there's premises that just get, you know, there's guys out there like Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle or the real high level guys that are seeing things and then they're commenting on things and they're pointing things out that maybe other people didn't notice.
Then there's other people that are doing bits because they know other people have done bits on that subject successfully.
So it's not totally stealing, But they're not really being creative.
They're just trying to recreate some...
There's a few guys that do that.
You hear them and you go, man, you know that Bill Hicks did a bit about that.
You know that this guy did a bit about that.
I see what you're doing.
You're trying to redo...
You don't have your own original point.
A lot of those shows were like that.
They were just trying to make it.
Because it was the comedy boom, man.
What you're talking about was like...
There was a comedy TV boom that included Evening at the Improv, MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour, Spotlight Live on VH1, some Friday night thing they had on Fox that used to be at the Laugh Factory.
They used to have a weekly show.
It was crazy.
There was so much comedy, man.
It was out of control.
There was a lot of guys that just didn't belong in the business yet.
I mean, I couldn't say that they couldn't eventually have broke, but they were basically like, did you ever notice?
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Like, there's a lot of those fucking guys where they were like, hey, and there's a goddamn Wild Kingdom playing out in my living room.
They had this, like, comedy rhythm that they would do, but they didn't have shit to say, but it still worked.
brendan schaub
A lot of those guys were doing comedy to get a sitcom.
They didn't really want to do comedy.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brendan schaub
They thought it'd be easier if they did it that way.
joe rogan
Well, there was a lot of actors that I talked to about it.
They're like, hey, man, for me, it's real hard to get auditions.
And he goes, and for the longest time, I'd sit around and watch you guys get development deals.
And I'd be like, fuck that.
These guys don't even act.
And then I realized, like, why am I complaining?
Why don't I just do what they do?
How hard could it be?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard.
unidentified
That's easy.
brendan schaub
Sam Tripoli did a special last week at the Viper Room in Hollywood.
Man, we've known Sam forever.
I don't know.
I've known him for 15 years or something like that, maybe longer.
Goddamn, dude.
Goddamn.
Sam's special.
It was his first special.
It took him 10 years to get his shit together, but holy fuck, that hour...
Slammed.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brendan schaub
He crushes.
joe rogan
He did it at the Viper Room, too.
brendan schaub
He crushes.
joe rogan
That's a great place to film a special.
eddie bravo
Yeah, man.
I stayed for both shows.
brendan schaub
When you film, you do two, just in case something goes wrong.
And he would do some stuff, too.
It was weird.
I've never seen a comic before.
Fuck up a bit go.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
Let's do that one again and then start again like three times He just wanted to make sure it was perfect because the response was so great that he was just on stage He couldn't even believe it.
brendan schaub
He couldn't everybody was dying Edwards was there beautiful.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it was he it was it's really good to see him Blossom I think that you know based on the Netflix specials that I see on average three minutes at a time There's a lot of bad ones, huh?
brendan schaub
Dude, they're just putting out comedy specials left and right by random dudes you never heard of, and a lot of super vanilla Netflix comedy specials.
Vanilla.
Like, they're not going deep.
Deep.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that going on, and there's also, I think people need to film more shows.
I think they're just filming one show sometimes, sometimes two.
I really think if you can afford it, you should do four.
eddie bravo
Ricky Gervais, his new one, I was never a giant fan of his, never really paid attention to him.
brendan schaub
Like, Ricky Gervais?
eddie bravo
Didn't he do like cartoons or something like that?
His new special on Netflix, that one is a grand slam.
brendan schaub
He's fucking good.
unidentified
Really?
That's awesome.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
Did you see Chappelle's?
eddie bravo
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Those are great.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
How about the one in the belly room?
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
I was there for that one.
brendan schaub
Do you remember how he ended that shit?
Basically telling people exactly why he went to Africa, that's pretty crazy.
eddie bravo
That took balls.
brendan schaub
That's dangerous shit.
He's rich as fuck.
I mean, Cat Williams' latest special is pretty good, too.
joe rogan
I didn't like that one as much, man.
I didn't like it as much as I liked his other ones.
brendan schaub
He spent the first 20 minutes on Jacksonville, because that's where he filmed it, and I thought, you know, okay, I see what he's doing.
But I thought he had some pretty good stuff.
Considering all the crazy stuff he went through, I thought maybe he'll never be back, and he's just going to be insane or whatever.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
But he did come back, and he is...
joe rogan
I'm a big fan of his.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it.
But his old stuff is some of the best ever.
brendan schaub
Oh my God!
joe rogan
The Pimp Chronicles?
brendan schaub
Oh my God!
joe rogan
I mean, come on.
brendan schaub
Yes!
eddie bravo
Cat Williams was one of the guys that if I don't have shit to listen to in my car, I just put YouTube and just Cat Williams just some random bit.
If I don't have anything to go, he's a go-to.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a go-to for sure.
It's a good time, man.
It's a good time for comedy, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, and now the comedy store is un-fucking-believable.
eddie bravo
It's nothing like...
brendan schaub
We used to hang out there every day in the early 2000s.
2000, 2001, before Tenth Planet was even a thought.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
My life consisted of DJing at strip clubs for money.
eddie bravo
At home, trying to make it, you know, in music, and hanging out with you doing comedy, you know?
joe rogan
Dude.
eddie bravo
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy when you think about it.
That place was always half empty.
brendan schaub
Yes, it was like a dying dinosaur.
It was ready to go.
That shit was ready to go.
And then when you had that Mencia shit and you left, man, the place was, it was like, how is it surviving?
eddie bravo
Right there on Sunset, it's a prime spot.
brendan schaub
You could put a giant hotel there.
How is that place not going to get knocked down?
And then when you came back, I remember asking you a couple times in that seven-year absence or whatever it was, going, do you ever going to go back to the Comedy Store?
Because I wanted you to go back.
And you were like, fuck that!
I ain't going back.
You felt like you got really screwed by them, and you did.
Those motherfuckers turned their back on you at the Comedy Store and took that dude's side.
eddie bravo
And then looking back, they know they made a big mistake.
brendan schaub
So you were like, you're standing on your goddamn ground.
eddie bravo
Like, fuck that.
brendan schaub
I'll go to the Ice House.
eddie bravo
I'll go to improv.
Fuck the Comedy Store.
And then you came back, man.
brendan schaub
And it's like a different world.
Literally a different world.
eddie bravo
Like, it's fucking...
Boom!
It's selling out every goddamn night.
Both rooms are packed.
It's like, it's like, it's unbelievable.
unidentified
It's crazy.
brendan schaub
Like, you couldn't, nobody would believe that shit.
It's so alive at the Comedy Store.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
People just go there, like, during the week, like it's a big event.
joe rogan
Tuesday nights.
Tuesday nights, sometimes they have two sold-out shows, the main room and the original room.
brendan schaub
You know, the Comedy Chaos Tuesday nights?
unidentified
Crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's never been like that before.
eddie bravo
They opened up all those old decrepit rooms and made a bar.
brendan schaub
They're opening up and everything's...
joe rogan
That back bar that used to be a video room.
That back bar's the best.
You can get away from people and chill out back there.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that shit wasn't around back in the 2000s.
joe rogan
They have that whole smoking corridor in the back now, too.
Everybody goes out back to smoke.
eddie bravo
And outside, the outside bar, it's booming.
There's always people there drinking.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's weird, right?
The front bar is always mobbed.
It's nuts, man.
eddie bravo
And then across the street, House of Blues, they knock that shit down.
unidentified
Like, what?
joe rogan
Dude, when you walk outside and you go up that ramp, you know where that ramp is in the parking lot next door?
That view is insane.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
The view is incredible.
Like, they have the best view in the world.
brendan schaub
Comedy stores, like, it's like Guns N' Roses, man.
Big in the fucking 80s.
Disappeared for 20 fucking years, 25 years, and now Guns N' Roses not only made a comeback, but they're bigger than ever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
They're bigger than ever.
Guns N' Roses is unbelievable.
Everywhere they play, they just sell it out.
I saw them in Mexico City and got completely blown away.
joe rogan
You saw them in Mexico City?
Were you there for a seminar?
brendan schaub
I was there for...
joe rogan
Combat Jiu Jitsu?
brendan schaub
Tony's fight.
Oh, no kidding.
That brings us to Tony.
joe rogan
Wow, that's crazy.
You suck.
Yeah, that brings us to Tony.
brendan schaub
Oh, it was incredible.
eddie bravo
And I was never a giant Guns N' Roses fan.
brendan schaub
I respected them.
I liked their songs and shit.
eddie bravo
But as a kid, once one of your friends claims them as their favorite, now they can't be your favorite.
brendan schaub
So it's like some stupid...
It's some stupid shit.
eddie bravo
My friend Matt, he claimed Guns N' Roses.
I'm like, okay.
If he bought a Guns N' Roses record, I would just tape it.
brendan schaub
I wouldn't buy it, too.
eddie bravo
So whoever actually owned the master, that was their band.
brendan schaub
Fuck you, that's my band.
eddie bravo
It's like a sport.
brendan schaub
It really is.
But you have a bunch of teams at yours.
eddie bravo
My band was Kiss.
brendan schaub
Even when everyone made fun of them, I'm the only one who admitted they still liked them for a while.
joe rogan
Did you get like that with Boxers, too?
brendan schaub
No, boxing was different.
eddie bravo
Boxing is all racist.
brendan schaub
It's completely racist and it's okay.
It's racist?
It's the only sport that could be racist.
joe rogan
My guy was a black guy.
My biggest bummer was Donald Curry getting knocked out by Mike McCallum.
brendan schaub
When Mike Tyson fought Jerry Cooney, Oh, yeah.
Every white guy was praying for...
joe rogan
No, it wasn't Mike Tyson.
It was Larry Holmes.
brendan schaub
Oh, whatever.
eddie bravo
Larry Holmes.
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah.
That's right.
eddie bravo
What white guy didn't...
Mike Tyson ever fought...
joe rogan
Mike Tyson fought a bunch of white guys.
eddie bravo
But not anybody famous.
joe rogan
No, not really.
Anybody...
Well, Gulotta, the Polish guy, Andrew Gulotta.
brendan schaub
That's right.
eddie bravo
But does he count as white?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's from Poland.
brendan schaub
He's pretty white.
eddie bravo
Sometimes European whites...
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't think of them as American whites.
unidentified
They're different.
brendan schaub
They're animals.
joe rogan
We want American whites.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
We definitely...
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We want like...
brendan schaub
Well, Russians are always going to go for the Russian guy.
So boxing is the only one...
eddie bravo
I didn't give a...
brendan schaub
Fuck who the Mexican was fighting, I'm going for the Mexican.
eddie bravo
Even if I didn't know the Mexican, I already had love for him.
brendan schaub
If he wasn't Mexican and he was Panamanian, that's good enough.
If he was Argentinian, Juan Rodan, remember him?
Argentina.
I was like, if he's fighting a Mexican, I'm going for the Mexican.
eddie bravo
But if he's fighting a white guy or a black guy, I'm always going for the Latin guy.
unidentified
That was the only sport where you could be totally racist.
eddie bravo
My best friend was black growing up, and we both watched boxing together, and he always went for the black guy, I always went for the Latin guy, and it was okay.
There was nothing wrong with that.
joe rogan
There was another Argentinian champion that was championed before Marvin Hagler.
Goddammit, it's at the tip of my tongue.
I cannot remember his name.
eddie bravo
I was into Pepino Cuevas, Alexis Arguello.
As long as they were Latin, they were Mexican to me.
joe rogan
He was right before Marvin Hagler.
God damn it.
I see him.
I see his curly hair.
He's a handsome looking fellow.
Carlos Monzon.
Thank God I got it.
unidentified
I was ready.
joe rogan
I was scared Jamie's going to pull it up.
Jamie's going to pull it up before I can remember.
Monzon was a bad motherfucker.
Wasn't he from Argentina?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was.
Beautiful.
Yeah.
He was a tough guy, man.
Those were the blood and guts days of boxing.
You know?
Roberto Duran, Ken Buchanan at lightweight.
135 pound killers.
It was a different world back then, man.
Those guys were tough as shit.
15 round fights.
eddie bravo
Comedy's different, though.
brendan schaub
I was always there.
There was a point where I thought generally overall...
eddie bravo
Just black people are way funnier than white people.
brendan schaub
Based on stand-up comedy, I'm like, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, you know?
eddie bravo
I really believe that.
brendan schaub
And, like, Mexican comedians, I wasn't, like, rooting for Paul Rodriguez.
I was like, fuck you!
eddie bravo
I didn't root.
joe rogan
Some people do.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know some people do, but I didn't.
eddie bravo
I was racist against white comedians.
joe rogan
That fuckmancia more than anything.
When people found out he wasn't really Mexican.
They were like, what?
brendan schaub
He's Honduran, right?
joe rogan
Honduran and German or something.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Did he ever claim Mexican on stage?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
Many times.
eddie bravo
He was like an Andrew Dice Clay.
joe rogan
I think he was kind of raised by Mexican people, though.
eddie bravo
He should have said that.
brendan schaub
He said, listen, this is my character.
joe rogan
You can't change your name, man.
brendan schaub
I'm Carlos Mencia.
joe rogan
Andrew Dice Clay.
Yeah, but that's, first of all, that's like a character name.
But I'm saying, like, you change your ethnicity.
Like, if I decided to put tape on my eyes and change my name to Joe Chan, people would be like, what?
Right?
You can't do that.
If I try to claim German, right?
You don't know any better.
You've never seen my 23 in me.
brendan schaub
Or maybe you did like a Borat character.
Could you do German accent, not Arnold Schwarzenegger?
joe rogan
That's Austrian.
brendan schaub
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I could probably do one if I listen to some German.
But Arnold's so easy.
I can't do Trump, man.
eddie bravo
You can't do Trump?
joe rogan
No, I can't do it.
My voice doesn't make those sounds.
I'm not a good impressionist.
I'm just good at the ones that I can do.
brendan schaub
What does Arnold think of Trump?
joe rogan
Basically, we've had this conversation before.
He's not a bad guy.
He's just a guy.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
eddie bravo
We already did this.
joe rogan
Listen, he's doing what everybody wants.
He's making billions.
He's fucking porn stars.
And you're mad at him?
unidentified
This is the fucking American dream.
joe rogan
For real though, who looks like him and fucks like he does?
I'm a little bit more impressed with Donald after all these scandals.
It backfired.
You guys are trying to go Clinton on him.
You can't go Clinton on this guy.
brendan schaub
He's not trying to fuck kids.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about Roseanne Barr.
They were saying that Roseanne Barr was talking about some conspiracy theories that have been disproven.
She was talking about Trump breaking up child sex rings.
But he really did spend a lot of time concentrating on that and having people go out and try to break up these sex rings and sex trafficking.
This is not something that is a conspiracy theory.
This is something that he's discussed many times.
It's also not a conspiracy that there's sex trafficking.
So as much as you want to discount Trump, here's a problem that I have with people that are on the left right now.
They're not looking at everything.
They're only looking at what they want to look at.
He's bad for the environment.
He's always lying.
He cheats on his wife.
He does this.
He does that.
They say all these things he does bad, but when something comes up like Roseanne says, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he's going after sex trafficking.
And then it turns out, all these other people say, that's a conspiracy theory, that's a bullshit online.
No, he's said it.
He's put effort into it.
Like, you've got to give the guy credit.
Because if you don't give him credit for things that he does that are important, nobody's going to listen to you when you're criticizing him either.
Because all you're trying to do is win.
You're not trying to look at the thing for what it really is.
Yeah, this guy, he's not a perfect person.
But he did.
Make note on many times about wanting to break up sex trafficking rings.
brendan schaub
Do you know that your kid is 20,000 times more likely to get kidnapped than to get shot at a school?
joe rogan
Do that make sense?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And 20,000 is conservative.
eddie bravo
It's probably really like 70,000 because if you go by the numbers, 800,000 to a million kids go missing every year in the United States.
joe rogan
I looked that up though.
I never found a source for that.
You said that before and I looked that up and I couldn't find that.
It wasn't nearly as much.
unidentified
You know what?
eddie bravo
I read it online so it could be wrong.
brendan schaub
It could be wrong.
joe rogan
There's a problem with these things like when we say them, especially we say them like right now 2 million people are going to listen to this or whatever the fuck it is.
eddie bravo
Even if it's 100,000 kids.
joe rogan
Even if it's 100. Even if it's 100 kids.
eddie bravo
Yeah, 100 kids, that's more than school shootings.
joe rogan
That's my point.
brendan schaub
It's more than school shootings.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
Like, what would you rather have?
You know, what's worse?
I don't know what's worse.
Having your kid get shot at school?
joe rogan
Is it Eddie Wright?
Look at this.
According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, citing U.S. Department of Justice report, nearly 800,000 children are reported missing each year.
That's more than 2,000 a day.
The NCMEC says 203,000 children are kidnapped each year by family members.
Oh, family members.
eddie bravo
That's a little different.
brendan schaub
That leaves 600,000.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That leaves 600,000.
So what's worse?
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
Having your kid, because the conspiracy theory is that there's this giant...
eddie bravo
International child sex trafficking network going on that is being covered up.
brendan schaub
That's what's going on.
And if you look at Jimmy Savile in the UK, that brought a lot of light to what's going on.
unidentified
Savile, right?
joe rogan
Is that how you say his name?
eddie bravo
Savile.
joe rogan
Savile?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
unidentified
Jimmy Savile.
joe rogan
That was a terrifying story.
eddie bravo
Yeah, so the story with him is Jimmy Savile, he's dead now.
He died in his 80s in 2011. He was a...
brendan schaub
A super famous, like Dick Clark kind of guy.
eddie bravo
He was the host of Top of the Pops.
If your band got on that show, you're going to be mega.
brendan schaub
He was huge.
He was friends with the royal family, with the prime ministers, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair.
joe rogan
Pull up a picture of him, Jamie.
brendan schaub
He looks disgusting.
Pull up Jimmy Savile, this guy.
joe rogan
He looks like a child molester.
brendan schaub
Look at this guy.
unidentified
Imagine getting fucked by that guy when you were 12. Super, super famous.
brendan schaub
And you know what he would do?
eddie bravo
He would raise money for hospitals and specifically psychiatric hospitals.
And he would bring the Queen of England.
brendan schaub
He had all this power to raise millions for these hospitals, these mental institutions.
That's what he preyed on.
unidentified
For kids.
brendan schaub
For kids.
So what he would do is he would...
eddie bravo
He would do so much for these hospitals that he would put himself on the board and give himself a job there in a position and he would hang out at these hospitals.
There's at least 500 people that have come forward to say they were raped by him when they were at a...
joe rogan
Is it 500 people now?
unidentified
At least.
eddie bravo
It's in the thousands.
joe rogan
What does that sign say that he's holding up on his neck?
What does that say?
Oh, that was his show.
eddie bravo
He worked for the BBC. Super famous, super...
He had Christmas dinner with Margaret Thatcher multiple times.
joe rogan
What is that red hat he's got that looks like a MAGA hat?
Right above that.
Yeah.
Just a hat.
brendan schaub
Crazy guy who, it turns out, he was a child rapist.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's the same thing with Sandusky.
eddie bravo
And they're covering it up.
brendan schaub
They're covering it up.
eddie bravo
The question is...
joe rogan
Still they're coming this up?
brendan schaub
Oh, dude.
unidentified
This?
joe rogan
Yes.
Because people knew they're complicit and they'd be in trouble.
eddie bravo
The mystery.
brendan schaub
The mystery is how is he so tight with the prime ministers, the royal family, all these politicians, all this shit comes out when he died.
eddie bravo
Because every time there would be an allegation while he was alive, he would just sit them down and go, what are you going to do?
I'm going to ruin your life.
You better drop this shit.
brendan schaub
Do you think they're gonna come after me?
You know how many millions I've given this hospital?
eddie bravo
So he would just shut everything down and there was all these underground covered up allegations.
joe rogan
He admitted getting knighthood was a relief because it got me off the hook.
What does that mean?
Got me off the hook.
brendan schaub
He was knighted.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
So it got him off the hook.
unidentified
What do you think?
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
He got knighted.
When you get knighted, can they not arrest you anymore?
Is that what happens?
Is it like being the president?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
There's a documentary on YouTube called The Ninth Circle.
eddie bravo
Jimmy Savile, The Ninth Circle.
You find out why they covered it up.
brendan schaub
Why did they cover it up?
eddie bravo
Why didn't this agent DJ, it's like Dick Clark.
brendan schaub
They should have just mashed him up.
Why was it all being covered up?
It's fucking insane when you find out why.
joe rogan
He had enthusiasm for dead bodies in general that could be unnerving.
brendan schaub
Dude, he fucked dead people.
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
He loved fucking dead people.
joe rogan
Where'd you hear this?
eddie bravo
The Ninth Circle.
brendan schaub
The Ninth Circle.
Jesus Christ.
On YouTube.
Watch that.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
It's insane.
eddie bravo
It's insane.
joe rogan
When you find out, when you watch that shit, dude, It is crazy that you're saying this, and it sounds like it could never be possible.
It sounds like it never could be possible that some giant television star that worked with children and was always helping out children could have actually been fucking them the whole time.
And a bunch of them, hundreds of them.
brendan schaub
Raping them.
joe rogan
And then people must have known.
There's no way everybody...
brendan schaub
He was killing them, too.
joe rogan
He was killing them?
eddie bravo
Dude, they found all these bodies.
It's a big scandal in the UK right now.
brendan schaub
They found bodies?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
There's an island called Jersey Island that's owned by the Queen, and look into that shit.
I don't even want to get that deep into it.
joe rogan
Jimmy Savile raped children as young as nine while working at BBC. Leaked report unveils, and this is in the Independent...
eddie bravo
How come there's not the same kind of effort for this kind of stuff like there is with the gun shooting, the Florida school shooting?
Why isn't there that?
joe rogan
Because it's not a big event where it's one thing where all the deaths happen in one group.
brendan schaub
It's deaths or deaths, dude.
joe rogan
Well, I understand.
I'm with you.
I understand.
But, I mean, this is also why people don't freak out about 500,000 people dying every year because of obesity.
brendan schaub
Like, what's worse?
What's worse?
Having your kid get shot at a school shooting or having that motherfucker rape your daughter multiple times and then kill her?
joe rogan
I don't think you want to quantify them.
eddie bravo
They're both horrible.
brendan schaub
They're both horrible.
joe rogan
What's scary is that that is being protected.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
That there's someone that either knew about it and now is trying to cover their ass because they knew about it.
A lot of people.
That's the thing about Sandusky.
You know, Sandusky did the same thing.
He was raping all these kids and the whole time he was running these programs for underprivileged children and helping all these orphaned kids.
eddie bravo
You gotta watch your kids, man.
joe rogan
He allegedly got away with abusing 500 children and sex with dead bodies.
unidentified
Whoa.
brendan schaub
Hanging out with the queen, dude.
eddie bravo
This guy's tight with the queen.
joe rogan
Look at him, too.
God.
And all these little kids around him.
brendan schaub
You know what?
I'm going to tell you why they left him alone.
joe rogan
Do you know?
brendan schaub
According to the Ninth Circle.
joe rogan
What is the Ninth Circle?
brendan schaub
It's a documentary about the whole thing.
joe rogan
Why?
Because everybody's doing it?
They're all doing it?
brendan schaub
He was supplying everybody with kids.
That's what he used the hospitals for.
joe rogan
Well, this is not a new theory.
This is not a new theory when it comes to like groups of freaks.
brendan schaub
He was the pimp, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He was supplying everybody with kids.
joe rogan
This is something that people have talked about, like very intelligent people that I know that have talked about in terms of like, there's been stories about people that have taken politicians to like islands and shit because that's where they keep like young girls.
You know, I don't know why I'm looking at you, Jamie.
brendan schaub
You know what?
joe rogan
Someone talked to me about this and they were saying you have to understand that if you are in a group of incredibly wealthy people and you have extreme a desire for extreme sexual scenarios whips and you can't whatever the fuck it is you can't young girls you can't let anybody know about this so people come into these people's lives that can facilitate these things and then they develop this sort of bond of silence and And this is how,
when this shit gets out of hand, you can get a Jimmy Savile or you can get a Jerry Sandusky.
That's the other thing about Sandusky.
This guy was not on his own.
He was supplying children.
brendan schaub
Tip of the iceberg.
joe rogan
Wasn't that one of the things?
That doesn't come up.
Google Sandusky was supplying children to other pedophiles because that was something that was also speculated about some of the donors that were donors to his charities.
We're also somehow involved in molesting those kids.
brendan schaub
You know what a death ride is?
joe rogan
Death ride?
brendan schaub
Death ride.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Jimmy Savile would supply 10, 15 boys to a certain politician.
brendan schaub
He'd have a boat.
He'd take them out on the boat.
He couldn't afford to have any witnesses.
So those were always the last rides those kids would take.
They're called death rides.
unidentified
Jeez.
brendan schaub
They couldn't have witnesses.
joe rogan
This is from that same documentary?
brendan schaub
Ninth Circle.
joe rogan
See, but how do they know that for a fact?
brendan schaub
You just got to watch it and make the...
joe rogan
Conclusion.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I'm not ruling it out.
brendan schaub
He's already a shitbag, so you got to look at him like a prosecuting attorney, not a defense lawyer.
He's already a shitbag.
eddie bravo
He's already confirmed.
joe rogan
He's already raping kids.
What's the stopper from killing kids?
eddie bravo
Exactly.
brendan schaub
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's a good point, because if you're the type of person that could rape a child, what can't you do?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And that's what I'm saying.
eddie bravo
In the UK, the numbers could be wrong, but I heard that every three seconds, a child is reported missing in the UK. That's 175,000 kids a year get reported missing in just the UK. It's a big business, man.
joe rogan
It's got to be more than that amount of seconds in a year, isn't it?
Every three seconds at 175,000?
That seems low.
eddie bravo
Every three minutes.
brendan schaub
I'm sorry.
eddie bravo
Not every three seconds.
brendan schaub
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
How many seconds are in a day?
brendan schaub
I'm sorry.
eddie bravo
Every three minutes.
Every three minutes.
This is according to something I saw.
joe rogan
31 million seconds in a day?
Yeah.
I'm sure the numbers are probably...
eddie bravo
175,000 isn't as big as 800,000 a year, but damn.
brendan schaub
That should be...
Think about all this, all what we're doing for the Florida shooting and for these shootings and with that David Hogg guy.
Come on, man.
That's what's scary is that people are buying all that stuff.
joe rogan
Buying all what stuff?
brendan schaub
The whole gun control propaganda, you know, it's so obvious.
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
What do you think the gun control propaganda is?
eddie bravo
It's really simple, man.
You have to disarm the population, and that's what they're doing inch by inch, trying to disarm it.
They used to say, oh no, we just want some restrictions and some background checks.
brendan schaub
Now they're just saying it.
joe rogan
Some people are saying, revoke the Second Amendment.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're tearing the Constitution.
eddie bravo
They're tearing the Constitution?
Those four kids?
brendan schaub
Those four kids?
eddie bravo
There's a Constitution?
joe rogan
No, no, no, they weren't.
They weren't.
That's not true.
eddie bravo
No?
joe rogan
No, that's Photoshopped.
eddie bravo
Oh, it is?
joe rogan
Okay.
There's an original image that that girl was tearing.
It was like a target.
She was saying, we're not a target.
And someone replaced that image with the Constitution.
brendan schaub
Okay.
eddie bravo
But they're essentially doing the same thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I know what you're saying.
Look, first of all, they're 17. They were at a school that got shot up.
Their friends died.
I get it from their point of view.
If I was 17, I would think, and also they got cameras in their face, and everybody's paying attention to them, and the New York Times is interviewing on the Washington Post.
Everyone's calling them up.
If I was them, I'd probably be doing the same thing.
You would probably, too.
If you were in high school with those kids and all that shit went down, I don't blame them by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't even blame people that are trying to revoke the Second Amendment.
The thing that infuriates me the most is that all people want to look at is the guns.
That's all they want to look at.
You need to look at the mental health of individuals that are willing to fucking shoot up a group of kids.
Like, why?
Why the fuck would someone do that?
Psychiatric medications are a big one that if you bring up, people roll their eyes like, oh, this again.
There are massive changes to the fucking chemical composition of your brain when you take these things.
What you're capable of doing, what bothers you, what freaks you out, what you don't give a shit about.
When you got all these people that are on SSRIs and antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication and over and over and over again, when they test these shooters, They all test positive for something.
The pharmaceutical companies do not want to fucking hear about this.
They don't want to talk about this.
Phil Hartman, my friend who got shot by his wife, she was on Zoloft.
They got a settlement from Zoloft.
The family got a settlement from Zoloft after she fucking shot him in the head while he was sleeping.
There's a lot going on.
It's not just guns.
It is crazy that that fucked up kid could get guns.
It is crazy.
It's crazy that the FBI went to his house two years before, but what can you do?
Did you hear about that kid that they just stopped, the Chinese immigrant kid they're sending back?
His roommates in college were saying, this fucking guy's stockpiling guns.
The cops went to visit him.
He went out and bought another gun, and he's talking all kinds of crazy shit, and everybody's nervous about him.
Like, he's a fucking shooter ready to happen.
Stop going to class, and that's how they sent him back.
Because he's on a student visa.
You can't not be in class.
This kid was like gearing up.
He was gearing up.
Maybe they caught it before it happened and maybe they wouldn't have like two years ago when they interviewed the kid from Parkland.
eddie bravo
Now, the strangest thing about that Parkland shooting is the interview one of the teachers did on ABC. This doesn't make any sense to me at all.
unidentified
It's like she said...
brendan schaub
I have the video.
I could send it to you.
It's less than a minute.
She says, I opened up, I heard shots, opened up the door, all the kids ran in, they hid behind their desk, and there I saw the shooter 20 feet away from me.
eddie bravo
But at first, I thought he was a policeman.
brendan schaub
I'm like, what is the police doing here?
eddie bravo
He had full body armor, a mask on, a helmet on, and was shooting.
unidentified
I was like, what are the cops doing here?
brendan schaub
That is the strangest video I've seen.
joe rogan
Was it possibly someone shooting at the kid?
brendan schaub
That's not what she said.
She said she saw the shooter.
joe rogan
Right, but I mean, how long was she watching for?
Right, if you're like looking out the window and you see someone that's shooting someone, or shooting a gun, or even holding a gun.
First of all, you have to realize that people in those traumatic situations, their memory is very fucked up.
It's very shaky.
Your brain's flooded with adrenaline.
You remember, you're open to suggestion.
People can put things in your head and you all of a sudden think that that was a real memory that you saw.
There's been like scientific studies on that.
And about suggestive memory and about someone can literally, especially during periods of great duress, they can introduce ideas into your head and you will tell those ideas hours later, days later, as your own.
And you don't even realize that they put them in your head.
It's real weird.
Memory in traumatic situations like gun shootouts and shit like that is haywire because you're working on that reptilian part of your brain.
You're down to the lowest level.
Like, my friend Steve Rinella got attacked by a grizzly bear.
He was in a Fognac Island.
It's a crazy podcast.
Him and these other guys, they had killed an elk, and they were packing this elk out, and they left the elk by the tree while they were at their camp.
Then they went to go back, and a bear had claimed the elk.
And this bear rushed them, and he was like, one of the ways he described it to me is like, you have an idea in your head of what an animal instinct is like.
And he goes, I'm telling you, this goes way deeper than that.
This goes, wait, when you really think your life is in danger, you really think it's over, you don't even exist anymore.
You're moving.
You have no idea what you're doing.
You have to piece together what happened afterwards, and you were barely there in the first place.
You're just gone.
You're gone.
You see somebody else like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da!
You have no fucking idea who you even are right there and then.
All these people that are like, I would have run in the building and kicked that fucking guy's ass.
You barely even know who you are.
You got this video?
jamie vernon
Really?
unidentified
Oh, I sent you the video of that.
joe rogan
People have to understand memory.
eddie bravo
Well, let's listen to her and then let's see if she sounds like she's full of shit.
joe rogan
Okay, let's hear what she says.
brendan schaub
I actually sent you the actual clip.
joe rogan
This is not it?
brendan schaub
I sent you one, right?
On your phone.
eddie bravo
That's the lady, but I don't know when she's gonna say...
joe rogan
Well, let's just play it, because we don't hear it.
We're not hearing it, Jamie.
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Writing love letters when the fire alarm went off.
As students filed into the hallway, she heard gunfire.
The killing had begun.
I was about two feet away from my door.
All of a sudden, I heard gunshots in the stairwell, which is about 20 feet away from my room.
And then kids were screaming and then running back towards me and towards the end of the hallway.
So I just went in this very strange autopilot mode where I pivoted on my feet.
I unlocked my door and the kids just started pouring in my room.
I don't know how many kids were in there, but I was pulling them and getting them in and shouting at them to get in the room.
And then I suddenly saw the shooter, about 20 feet from me, standing at the end of the hallway, actively shooting down the hallway, just a barrage of bullets.
And I'm staring at him thinking, why is the police here?
This is strange because he's in full metal garb, helmet, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting this rifle that I've never seen before.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
That sounds like someone who saw something.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
That sounds like she got a very good look at it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's another video of a girl saying, yeah, we heard shots and we're running through the hallway.
And then I run into Nicholas Cruz and I looked at him and I told him, Mike, isn't it weird that everyone thought this was going to be you?
And then he just stood there and then we ran off because we heard more shots.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
It doesn't make any sense.
eddie bravo
Doesn't make any sense.
brendan schaub
And that stuff, those videos get taken down.
Those videos get taken down.
joe rogan
But that video is not taken down.
brendan schaub
They've been taken down.
When they find them, there's people actively taking down witness testimony that doesn't go with the official narrative, man.
joe rogan
So you think that this is like a false flag?
Like someone went in there, shot up the school?
brendan schaub
They do it all the time, dude.
That's what they do.
And then they focus on it.
eddie bravo
They had this Nicholas Cruz guy, and they go, oh, we got a perfect guy.
brendan schaub
So they come in, they have a professional team, they drag a Nicholas Cruz, they do what they got to do, they throw him in there, arrest him, and go, we got him.
eddie bravo
And then everyone buys it.
That's what's going on.
brendan schaub
In my opinion.
joe rogan
But this is a...
This is a crazy opinion, right?
Because you weren't there.
I'm not the only one saying this.
I'm sure.
But every time there's any sort of mass event, some horrible event, there's always conspiracies.
You know?
brendan schaub
What was going on right before this was the release of the FISA document.
What's the FISA document?
The FISA document was a document that Trump released and got zero play from mainstream media.
And it was a document that showed that A lot of really important people in government from all the agencies were all colluding together to take down Trump.
And there's text messages and emails.
They're going back and forth.
They all work together with Hollywood, using Hollywood.
eddie bravo
So FISA document was about to get dropped and everyone was saying, wait, they're backed into a corner.
They're going to pull something off.
brendan schaub
Watch.
Here it comes.
eddie bravo
They're going to pull off.
There's going to be a shooting or something.
brendan schaub
Wait for it.
Here it comes.
And then boom.
So as soon as it happened, the reason why conspiracy theorists were going, that's it.
And look at all the mistakes.
Look at all the testimony that doesn't make any sense that they're ignoring like that.
The thing that gets me is there's so many fuck-ups in that shooting as a false flag or like all these witness testimony that doesn't make any sense that to me, I think they did it on purpose to keep all the conspiracy theorists busy because there's so much shit that's clear to keep everyone away.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
brendan schaub
To keep everybody away from the FISA document.
joe rogan
But you know what?
It's also possible the people that were at that shooting, their memories all fucked up because there was somebody shooting people.
That's a real thing.
Like, that's 100%.
eddie bravo
Did she sound like she didn't know what she was talking about?
joe rogan
She didn't sound like it then, but that wasn't when the shooting was going down.
When you see people, like, right when they've seen some shit, their brains scrambled.
That's something to have to take into consideration, especially some nice lady, probably never saw anybody get shot in their life, probably never saw much violence.
eddie bravo
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
There's two sides of it.
There's people that believe the official story, and then there's people that see it as, oh, this was the false flag to distract from the FISA document.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm not saying that false flags don't exist.
I mean, you and I have discussed on this podcast in great detail the most important false flag, which is Operation Northwest.
brendan schaub
Yeah, if they're willing to do that, they're willing to do anything.
joe rogan
Well, it's not...
This is also the problem.
When we say they...
Operation Northwoods was 1962. The question is, if that's how they did business back then, which is what they did.
I mean, Operation Northwoods, they were planning on attacking Guantanamo Bay with Cuban, going to arm Cuban friendlies, have them attack Guantanamo Bay.
They were going to sacrifice American lives.
They were going to blow up a drone jetliner, blame it on the Cubans.
All this was to get us enthusiastic about going to war with Cuba.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were going to sacrifice American lives.
This is 100%.
They were going to lie and fake shit.
brendan schaub
Which is normal.
Which is normal.
For empires.
For all countries.
This is just a normal...
False flags are...
It's nothing new.
It's been going on since the dawn of time.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
False flags...
It's old school.
joe rogan
The question is, and this is for the rational person who's like, this is ridiculous.
You have to wonder, is that evolved, right?
Everything evolves.
The way we use technology evolves.
The way we use literature evolves.
The way we use TV evolves.
Everything evolves.
Does that evil corruption in government evolve, too?
Or does it just somehow or another get snuffed out because of the light?
I don't buy that.
I don't buy that.
If you look at all the different things that we've shown that there's collusion in, just look at the fact that someone like Hillary Clinton can run for president while she was making hundreds of thousands of dollars giving speeches to banks.
Like when she was in that debate with Bernie Sanders, and Bernie Sanders was like, release his transcripts.
Tell us what you said.
Tell us what you said to those nice banker people that gave you half a million dollars or whatever the fuck they gave you.
That's insane.
To think that someone was like, listen, dude, she is so fucking entertaining.
We're going to give her $250,000 for an hour.
It's worth it!
Trust me, I know we're in the banking business, and I know we make money with money.
You know what I mean?
We're all about money.
We know the value of money.
We're in the banking business.
This lady talking is worth a quarter million dollars.
It's the best.
She's gonna go up there, she's gonna knock your socks off.
brendan schaub
She's so good.
joe rogan
She's amazing.
brendan schaub
And she's funny!
joe rogan
She's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Oh my, she's amazing.
joe rogan
Her speech is super well prepared.
unidentified
It's so worth it.
joe rogan
And she stands up there on the podium and just knocks your fucking dick into the dirt.
What is this?
Hillary Clinton gets humiliating $7,000 less than Snooki for a speech at Rutgers as her story grows old.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So she got her price slashed to $25,000.
brendan schaub
I think they're going to throw her under the bus.
joe rogan
Her standard fee was $200,000 per speech, but some folks suggest that it may be her broken record that set the recent slash price of $25,000.
brendan schaub
She made so much money off the Clinton Foundation.
She's fine.
joe rogan
Just stop and think about that.
unidentified
She's just fine.
brendan schaub
She's like, I'll do it for a thousand.
Dude, I got fucking a hundred million from that Haiti earthquake.
Are you getting me?
joe rogan
Yeah, but those people, people like her, I think one of the things in the back of their head is always the potential litigation.
I think they always want to stockpile legal funds because someone could always come after them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And plus they get used to it.
They're like, damn.
eddie bravo
They're like, you know, if you had a hundred million and now you have, you know, 75 million, you're like, oh my God.
brendan schaub
I got to take some odd jobs and shit.
eddie bravo
Do some speeches in Saudi Arabia.
joe rogan
Listen, it should be illegal for someone to run for president, if someone who they could influence in a positive way with passing things and signing legislature, pushing things forward, using their influence, if someone is in a position that they could do that for a company and that company wants to give you $200,000 to talk, that's just fucking insane.
That's insane.
That's bribery.
Are you saying that it's worth $200,000?
If she sucked every dick in the room, it wouldn't be worth $200,000, right?
There's no way!
Who's gonna pay a thousand dollars for a Hillary Clinton blowjob other than for the story?
brendan schaub
I think she can get a lot of money for blowjobs.
joe rogan
Do you think so?
brendan schaub
Dude, I think fucking...
eddie bravo
Alt-right guys would just be fucking throwing down, dude.
brendan schaub
Busting, having bukkakis.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Do a bukkake for...
unidentified
This feels like a disrespectful turn we're taking with Hillary Clinton.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
As a person, forget about it as a woman.
Just as a politician.
No one should be...
It should just be impossible.
brendan schaub
There's a conspiracy theory that...
Hillary Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, I'm assuming he's not alive anymore, but was a huge Jewish mob boss who was responsible for opium going into Chicago.
eddie bravo
I don't know if that's real, but it makes sense to me.
joe rogan
Look, we know for a fact that some politicians have run drugs before.
eddie bravo
The Bushes?
unidentified
Look at them.
joe rogan
Here's the biggest one.
The fucking Kennedys.
Open.
Open, flat out.
I mean, it was moonshine at the time, but guess what?
That's drugs.
brendan schaub
Yeah, same thing.
joe rogan
That's as much of a drug as weed.
eddie bravo
Worse than weed.
joe rogan
It's worse.
Way worse.
I mean, that is how the Kennedy family made their money.
eddie bravo
We needed a president to run marijuana.
brendan schaub
How cool would that have been?
joe rogan
Tommy Chong for president.
eddie bravo
Jimmy Carter was like, he was just doing, he just stuck to marijuana.
joe rogan
Tommy Chong for president.
Tommy's got diversity on his side.
Cheech could be the running main.
Cheech and Chong, 2020. Guys, get on it.
I'll have you on the podcast.
I'll support you 100%.
brendan schaub
If you think about all the stuff the government was willing to do over time, like Operation Northwood, for instance, they were willing to kill their own people.
There's a lot of corruption, bribery, a lot of shit in the government, right?
eddie bravo
If you had to equate that to one person, you could say the U.S. government is kind of like John Gotti.
brendan schaub
Right?
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
Kinda, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, a little bit.
unidentified
A little bit.
eddie bravo
Like, killed some people.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
brendan schaub
Killed some people if they cross them.
joe rogan
Definitely mob bossy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, a lot of scamming going on, a lot of stealing.
brendan schaub
He's kind of like a politician.
He's kind of like the overall, you know, how could anybody trust Anything he would say, right?
Yeah, and anytime someone would say a dude like a Some John Gotti nerd came up because dude, you know, he killed 15 people one night in Miami.
You wouldn't go dude Where's the proof?
Where's the proof?
Show me you wouldn't say that you would go you believe it and even if it wasn't true He's like it's still a douchebag.
He's still a criminal.
You're still killing people.
So yeah, you were wrong about that I was actually, you know traffic Conte and it wasn't you know, but still you know what I mean?
People just naturally, when it comes to the government, they know how corrupt they are.
eddie bravo
They know that they're willing to kill their own people.
brendan schaub
Politicians aren't waking up going, how am I going to make everyone's lives better?
So all those speeches you hear, they're not thinking about helping.
eddie bravo
They're thinking about keeping their power.
They're criminals.
That's what's going on.
joe rogan
Well, they're in a business, and this business has criminal rules.
They've allowed them to have these criminal rules.
brendan schaub
It's all about how can every politician, they're all trying to get a hold of that tax money.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's the endgame right there.
You get that tax money.
brendan schaub
You could steal tax money, and people were never going to come after you.
You steal corporation money, you're going to die.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't even get mad if you steal tax money.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the tax money.
joe rogan
It's like, just come up with a bill.
brendan schaub
Come up with something.
Anything.
Just anything.
eddie bravo
Okay, this bill is to build churches, and we're going to help children around the world, and we're going to find a cure for leukemia.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah!
unidentified
Cool.
eddie bravo
Boom.
It's really easy.
brendan schaub
You just got to make up some shit.
eddie bravo
You got to pretend that you're going to help people.
Oh, this one's the Affordable Housing Act.
You know, we're going to help out poor people.
Like that politician's really trying to help.
brendan schaub
What they're trying to do is rip off tax money.
eddie bravo
That's it.
brendan schaub
It's all...
joe rogan
Well, they're allocated.
Move it to the people that they want to have it to.
Yeah.
It's a dirty business.
I'm hoping that that changes in the future.
unidentified
I think the way...
eddie bravo
We are being programmed and indoctrinated.
brendan schaub
I think it's genius.
It's working so goddamn well because it works on really smart people.
There's intelligent people all over the goddamn world.
joe rogan
Because people are invested in the system.
Everybody's invested in the system.
eddie bravo
The indoctrination, the school system, man.
School really is designed to take the kids from the family.
The kids believe their teachers more than their own parents.
The state takes your kids.
brendan schaub
They're raising their kids.
It's ridiculous, man.
joe rogan
I think most of what's going on in schools is not that.
I think most of it is people that are just totally apathetic about teaching people.
They don't give a fuck.
Most of these people that are teaching, they're doing it as a job, there's a lot of terrible fucking teachers out there, and they don't get paid anything.
That's the big conspiracy that it's not.
eddie bravo
They're taught and told how to teach and what to teach.
unidentified
Sure.
eddie bravo
They're not like, okay, just give us your own version of English.
joe rogan
Right, but this is all put together with educators.
They get together and try to figure out a way to get people to learn these things.
It's uninspired.
That's more than anything.
There's no money to it.
eddie bravo
The conspiracy theory is that Rockefeller, John Rockefeller and Carnegie designed the school system to create slaves and to separate the family.
That's the conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
The conspiracy theory is they designed to create workers, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People that are slaves to the system.
eddie bravo
The conspiracy theory is they openly said, we don't need any more Geniuses.
brendan schaub
Philosophers or geniuses.
eddie bravo
We got enough of that.
We got science right here.
brendan schaub
We got any science you need, come to us.
When was the last great scientific discovery in the last 40 years that wasn't government funded?
joe rogan
I don't know who's funding these studies.
Why do you think that they're government funded?
Some new shit they come out with.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
eddie bravo
See, I don't know.
No one can name anything.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know.
I mean, we'd have to go over some of the studies, but I'm sure a lot of them are not government funded.
eddie bravo
I'm assuming that most scientists are getting paychecks from the government.
brendan schaub
I'm just assuming that.
eddie bravo
I'm assuming that most scientific data is coming from a bunch of scientists who...
unidentified
Getting grants.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're getting grants, and they can't say crazy shit.
eddie bravo
I sent you that one email, that one guy was telling me that he worked for a team of scientists, and they're working for a pesticide company, and they're told to, they go, we're going to do some studies here, and we want it to look like this.
brendan schaub
And let's keep doing it, let's keep doing the studies until, boom, we get, oh, look!
joe rogan
Well, that's legal.
They can do that, yeah.
That is insane.
brendan schaub
That's insane.
joe rogan
They keep doing a study until they get the results they want, and then they don't publish the bad studies, they only publish the good studies, and this is what they've done.
brendan schaub
It seems like there's basically, in a nutshell, like three kinds of science.
eddie bravo
There's the pseudoscience.
brendan schaub
It's like pretend science, but for sure it's not real.
eddie bravo
It's false science.
And then there's the scientific facts.
Like, for sure.
It's a scientific fact that I can get on the internet with my iPhone.
brendan schaub
I don't need to read a study about it.
And say, oh, I actually can.
eddie bravo
I know it.
My friends know it.
That's a scientific fact.
brendan schaub
Another scientific fact is my car will take me to point A, to point B, to point C, over and over, and it may break down every now and then.
That's a fact.
eddie bravo
The science of my car, I believe that science.
brendan schaub
That's a scientific fact.
And then there's a science that you have to take the scientist's word for because there's no way that you can verify.
If you have to have faith in science, that's like a religion.
joe rogan
That's scientism.
Hold on a second.
What are you talking about?
eddie bravo
Like what particular subject?
Any kind of science, whether it's medical science.
If you have a choice to believe in science that you can't verify yourself, you could believe it, but you don't have to believe it.
joe rogan
Right, but the experts in the field verify it.
All the people that understand and study it verify it.
eddie bravo
All the science that we know that has been corrupted, just the big ones.
brendan schaub
Sugar science, tobacco science.
eddie bravo
Marijuana science.
brendan schaub
Vaccine science.
We know for sure, just those four, that there's been a lot of corruption, and so it's hard to trust.
eddie bravo
So when someone comes out, especially the government, and goes, yeah, our scientists say that it's safe and effective.
You gotta be like, damn, I don't know about that.
I'm not gonna just take your fucking word for it.
You know what I mean?
You guys are criminals.
brendan schaub
You're John Gotti.
And you guys are saying that this is safe and effective?
I don't know about that.
eddie bravo
Maybe it is.
I hope it is.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
eddie bravo
I don't know because I can't prove it for myself.
joe rogan
Oftentimes drugs that get passed as being safe and they turn out to not be safe.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
This is one of the problems with these studies.
brendan schaub
Exactly.
joe rogan
This is like what we were talking about earlier with that nobody wants to discuss the idea that psychotropic drugs have played a part in school shootings.
This is all a very recent thing with human beings.
If those kids really didn't.
But they're talking about the recent spike in shootings, even by people they know were mass shooters.
Those people are almost all on these pills.
But these pills are very recent.
eddie bravo
They leave Big Pharma alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, so when you're talking about just the history of human beings involved in mass killings, It's really recent.
eddie bravo
They're crazy.
joe rogan
It's ramping up.
It's going crazy.
Yeah, well, you know what also is ramping up?
People taking pills.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
These things are somehow, they might not be the cause of it 100%.
It might be society.
It might be suppression.
It might be terrible childhood rearing.
It might be childhood abuse.
It might be all sorts of mental health issues that are inherited.
All sorts of crazy diseases that people inherit.
Mental diseases.
brendan schaub
In the vaccine pamphlets, I think the HPV vaccine, girls are taking it at 10, 11, and 12. Man, the shit that it says in the pamphlet.
joe rogan
That's a dangerous one, too.
brendan schaub
One possible side effect is suicidal thoughts.
It's called impending doom.
jamie vernon
I watched Take Your Pills last night, that documentary on Netflix that's been going around.
joe rogan
How is it?
jamie vernon
It's pretty good.
There's not a lot of information.
joe rogan
That's not the Adderall one, is it?
jamie vernon
No, it is, yeah.
joe rogan
It is, yeah.
jamie vernon
So there's not a lot of information we don't already know, I feel like.
They just kind of compile it and make it look really good.
But one interesting thing that you just brought up, Dr. Cezanet, there's no side effects to pills.
There's just unintended...
Benefits or non-benefits that you want.
They're all effects.
There's no like side effect of like diarrhea for instance.
It's an effect of the pill.
Just wasn't what you wanted.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
eddie bravo
So don't call it side effect.
brendan schaub
Call it an effect.
joe rogan
Right, so if you take something and on some people it gives suicidal thoughts.
It's not a side effect.
It's just an effect of taking that pill.
eddie bravo
Yeah, there's girls wanting to kill themselves for taking the HPV vaccine.
joe rogan
Not just that, for taking acne medication.
Accutane is a big one for that.
brendan schaub
Dude, come on!
joe rogan
Do you know Andrew Santino?
Hilarious comedian?
brendan schaub
Nuh-uh.
joe rogan
Funny motherfucker.
He took Accutane when he was, what did he say, in high school?
Is that what he said?
It was like the best thing that ever happened to him because his face totally cleared up, but the worst thing that ever happened to him in terms of how it made him feel.
It makes you feel a lot of people get it and they get suicidal thoughts.
brendan schaub
Yeah, for sure.
So you've got to ask yourself, even if whether kids really are shooting up schools or it's a false flag and they're setting up the kids to do it, that's the other side.
Whatever the truth is there...
There's a gigantic problem with these pills that are making people crazy.
eddie bravo
And no one really...
brendan schaub
This is not a big push to stop it or anything.
eddie bravo
They're being protected.
joe rogan
They are, but there's a giant business in it.
There's billions of dollars for sure.
But there's also a lot of people that like those pills.
There's a lot of people that love Xanax.
Like, this is, again, this is one of those things where we always want to look at the bad side of it.
brendan schaub
A lot of people love crack, too.
joe rogan
Crack business.
brendan schaub
You could get thrown in jail for that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, for sure.
But I mean, people that are functional people, just how you like weed, I like weed.
Some people like Xanax.
I'm not saying you can't have that.
It's not my opinion.
That's not how I feel.
What I am saying is, like, we need to be honest about the consequences of all these things.
And that this is somehow another left out of the equation when I think it's a major part of the equation.
I don't think it's the only reason why people are shooting up schools or any of this shit.
But I think it absolutely must be playing a factor.
And for whatever reason, people don't want to consider that factor.
And I think some of it is because there's a lot of people out there who like those pills.
They like the way they feel on antidepressants.
They like the way they feel on anti-anxiety medication.
They like taking Ambien before they go to bed.
They don't want to hear.
They like what it gives them.
I know people who can't sleep without Ambien.
They can't sleep without it.
And if you tried telling them that Ambien fucks up your heart rate or does this to that or, you know, make up some things.
I don't know if it fucks up your heart rate.
I'm just saying that.
If you started saying that to people, they would just immediately tune out.
Whatever, dude.
I'm sleeping like a baby.
brendan schaub
You know what would be a great false flag is if they set up another shooter and just said he was totally stoned.
eddie bravo
That way they could reverse the legalization of weed.
brendan schaub
Of course, it's a joke.
joe rogan
Do you know what I started smoking then that changed my mind?
brendan schaub
They have the power in the media to turn it into that.
All of a sudden, these guys are getting really high in Colorado and California.
We need a...
It's a joke, okay?
It's not funny.
joe rogan
That wouldn't work today.
I've been smoking blunts, and I smoked them.
I was like, okay, now I understand rap music.
I was like, these rappers are so aggressive, but they're also high.
I'm like, what the fuck's going on?
It's the goddamn tobacco.
Tobacco mixed in with weed?
That is a different thing.
That's a different animal.
It's a little too potent sometimes.
It's a little too, woo!
You're like, what are we talking about?
eddie bravo
I like it every now and then.
Every now and then, I like it.
I'm like, you know what?
brendan schaub
It gives you a different kind of head buzz.
joe rogan
Well, tobacco gives you...
Donald Cerrone got me on the dip when he was not...
I haven't done it since then.
But when we were in the podcast, he did it.
I swallowed some of it.
But one thing I liked about it, I was like, oh, now I get why you guys do it.
It hypes you up.
It gets you kind of elevated.
You ever smoke a cigar?
brendan schaub
Maybe two.
joe rogan
It's a powerful version of a cigarette.
Like you're getting some serious fucking nicotine in your system when you smoke a fat stogie.
You got a big ol' fuckin' Hoyo de Monterey double Corona.
brendan schaub
Fidel Castro style.
joe rogan
By the time you get to the end of that thing, you're high as fuck, dude.
You're not high like you can't talk, or like you can't walk, or you can't function, but you're definitely feeling that tobacco.
It's doing something to your system.
And they say it actually has a cognitive enhancing function.
That's similar to nootropics and coffee as well.
It actually can make you perform better in tests if you smoke cigarettes or if you smoke a cigar.
And writers always say that.
I know a lot of people who write, like writers for sitcoms and stuff like that, those guys always smoke cigarettes when they write.
They say they can't write without smoking.
Stephen King said that.
brendan schaub
It's like they're weed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it does have something going on, man.
But to me, it's more like amped than it is creative.
Weed is super creative.
Weed makes me think of thoughts where I write them down.
I'm like, I can't even claim that.
That's not even my thought.
That's weed's thought.
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I would have never just leave me by myself with no drugs and a notebook.
I would have never come up with that idea.
But the weed's like, hey, man, listen to this.
unidentified
Bah!
joe rogan
You know, the weed is way more of like an idea steroid.
brendan schaub
I believe it.
joe rogan
Dude, I see people who don't smoke weed and they write, and I'm like, oof, you're so brave.
Out there with no helmet, you got no life preserver on.
eddie bravo
And now it's crazy legal everywhere.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
eddie bravo
This recreational weed in California, it's insane.
brendan schaub
You just walk...
joe rogan
Nine states now.
brendan schaub
Yeah, crazy.
joe rogan
I think 18 states have legal medical and nine states have legal recreational.
brendan schaub
Nine.
joe rogan
Massachusetts.
Yeah, it's a wave.
It's going across the whole country.
It's changing everything.
And it's good.
And you know what the next wave is?
MDMA. MDMA therapy for PTSD patients has unprecedented results.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
MAPS is involved in this.
What is it?
Multiple Disciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies or something like that.
MAPS is an amazing, really above-board organization that is at the forefront of legalization of psychedelics and of psychedelic research.
And they've been involved in studies of soldiers, and they have amazing results with this stuff.
MDMA just lets you forgive yourself.
It lets you forget everything.
It reprograms your brain.
It lets you forgive other people in your life.
eddie bravo
It changes.
brendan schaub
One hit.
eddie bravo
of mdm mdm mdma that always confuses me molly it's a lot easier one hit can change your uh taste in music forever forever i believe it because before i ever did it the first time i did it was 1997 and before that i was a dj at this point And I couldn't stand techno.
brendan schaub
I hated techno music so much.
eddie bravo
And I was a DJ. And any time a girl went on stage and she was a techno girl, I'm like, this is...
Because I play drums for real.
brendan schaub
So when you listen to techno or house, it's like...
That's the most basic dumb shit.
Every song.
eddie bravo
Every fucking drum beats the same.
brendan schaub
I couldn't accept it as a musician.
And most musicians feel that way about techno.
And I went to a birthday party at the Key Club in Hollywood and I walk in and upstairs is techno and downstairs in the little bottom club is hip hop.
And it was a birthday party and everyone was downstairs and me and my buddy Rick, we walk in and we're standing at the edge of the techno floor.
And there's like all these dudes just like dancing by themselves.
eddie bravo
And there's like mental cases, right?
brendan schaub
And I was just standing there looking at him going, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
Oh my God.
So I went downstairs, they're playing hip hop.
I'm like, that's what I want to hear at clubs.
I want to hear hip hop at a club.
eddie bravo
I want to dance with a girl, not by myself.
You know, so I'm downstairs and then they start passing around some Molly and some say, you want to do it?
brendan schaub
And I'll never forget that.
eddie bravo
That first one was blue.
brendan schaub
I'm like, whew.
I don't know.
I don't know.
So I took it, me and my buddy both took it, and it hit us.
That first hit just hits you like a fucking ton of bricks.
We go upstairs, and we're on the dance.
We're dancing like morons, dude.
eddie bravo
And we're looking at each other and go, you get it?
unidentified
He goes, I get it!
eddie bravo
I go, you get it!
brendan schaub
I get it!
eddie bravo
And from that point on, got all into trance.
From that point, and it wasn't just like that night.
brendan schaub
It changed my musical taste in one hit.
eddie bravo
And I had a friend at the club who was a total R&B dude.
brendan schaub
He hated techno.
And he would talk shit when I played techno.
I go, one day, you're gonna do some Molly and you're gonna be all into techno.
He goes, fuck you, that'll never happen.
I can't stand this music.
eddie bravo
He starts dating the raver chick, like six months later at the club, some raver chick.
brendan schaub
He ends up at a rave.
eddie bravo
He ends up dropping some Molly.
He starts coming in and bringing all these new techno CDs and he's all into it.
Full blown into trance and techno.
brendan schaub
Just one hit.
joe rogan
This is the real problem.
It's illegal.
So when you get it from someone, you don't know what the fuck you're getting.
That's the real problem with Molly.
That's the real problem with MDMA. It's also the dosage.
You don't know what the dosage is supposed to be.
Look, you can overdose on alcohol and alcohol is everywhere, but everybody knows what the dose of alcohol is.
If you go to a bar and you get a shot of Jack Daniels, you know what that is.
It's not like sometimes you get a shot of Jack Daniels and it's Jack Daniels.
Sometimes you get it and it's super fucking moonshine at 17 times You get stronger and you die.
That's the problem with heroin.
That's the problem with a lot of things.
The real problem with MDMA seems to be that it's illegal.
That's the real problem.
And what they're finding is that there's great benefits if it's used correctly.
I mean, anything could be abused, but that doesn't mean we should make it illegal.
And what they want to do, I think their timeline is somewhere around 2021. Making it legal for therapy.
It's going to change the world.
It's going to change everything.
It's going to change the way people feel about the past.
It's going to change the way people interact with each other.
You're going to know just by people's behavior whether or not they've ever done it or not.
brendan schaub
You know where it comes from?
joe rogan
Where MDMA comes from?
brendan schaub
The part of it, the active ingredient that takes you...
joe rogan
It's a plant, right?
Where's that plant at?
brendan schaub
It's in Thailand or...
joe rogan
It's like a bark.
eddie bravo
What's Cambodia?
It's in Cambodia.
brendan schaub
It's like the bark, like the...
Something about the root of a tree trunk or something.
It has something to do with a tree.
joe rogan
Jamie's pulling it up, but it becomes very dangerous for those people, right?
eddie bravo
The trafficking becomes crazy.
They fuck up forests like forests are being chopped down just for the...
joe rogan
Not only that, people are being murdered.
It's heavy-duty stuff.
jamie vernon
Is it sassafras?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Is that what it says?
jamie vernon
I googled it and just looked at the images and that's what's popping up.
eddie bravo
Maybe put MDMA Cambodia trees.
joe rogan
Is it sassafras?
Okay, maybe that is.
Sassafras and saffroli.
Sassafras, yeah.
I guess it's sassafras.
brendan schaub
Dude, it's a plant.
joe rogan
Whatever that plant is, they take the...
Just Google Vice, the making of ecstasy.
Because I'm pretty sure Vice did this.
Could you Google that, please?
I think Vice had a special on that.
brendan schaub
I wonder what would happen if you just ate it raw.
joe rogan
I wonder.
Can you do that?
Is there a special?
What does it say?
The truth about ecstasy.
Yeah, so there's some sort of vice episode where they grow this stuff.
Anyway, this should be something that's not distributed by criminals wearing ski masks like you've seen in this video.
It should be something distributed by stores.
And there should be doctors.
And if you wanted to, you could have a rave where you even have medical centers in the rave where you keep people from overdosing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
When there's a transitionary period from people going from drugs being totally illegal to some drugs having massive benefits.
Like if you go to a club, right, and everyone there is, come on, we're doing shots, we're doing shots.
The whole fucking bar is getting wasted and drunk.
Everybody's fine with that, but you're not fine with a club where everybody does a small amount of ecstasy.
Well, why can't you do that?
Well, that's drugs.
Well, the other one's drugs, too.
You're just used to those drugs.
Once we get past that hurdle, and it might take a whole generation before people get used to places where you can go.
eddie bravo
One drug gets you violent.
brendan schaub
One drug makes you want to have sex.
joe rogan
But listen, you're not going to stop that drug.
Here's my point.
It's a powerful, really useful drug.
People are going to find out about it.
It's an amazing experience.
They're going to do it.
So what's the best way to handle that?
Best way to handle it is make it safe.
Make it legal.
Make it regulated so they know what actually is in each one of these fucking pills.
You're not getting it from some pimp or some asshole or some fucking crazy dude who stuffed it in a balloon and put it up his asshole and made it across the border with it.
You don't know where the fuck you're getting this stuff from.
brendan schaub
And they cut it with all sorts of shit too.
joe rogan
All sorts of shit.
Amphetamines and all sorts of crazy shit.
And people die from it because they don't know what the fuck is in there.
Here it is.
Okay, it says M-R-E-A-H-P-R-E-W-P-H-N-O-M trees.
M-R-E-A-H-P-R-E-W-P-H-N-O-M trees.
M-R-E-A-W-P-R-E-W-P-H-N-O-M trees.
M-R-E-A-W-P-R-E-W I mean, there's got to be some shit where they haven't tapped into it yet.
They're finding all sorts of different pharmaceutical drugs that they concoct out of stuff.
In the Amazon?
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Isn't it something like insects are evolving so fast in the Amazon that they only have names for, I think, 10% of the insects.
90% they have no name.
joe rogan
No, it's crazy.
brendan schaub
Is that true?
joe rogan
They have all sorts of bugs in the Amazon for sure that they haven't identified.
They know that for a fact and they do evolve.
They're a rare thing where you can, there's like some primitive life forms you could find that didn't exist before.
Like they found this crayfish, I think it's in India or Europe, maybe Europe, crayfish that produces by cloning.
They don't have sex.
So female, they're all female.
And one crayfish just makes a bunch of other babies.
Just makes babies.
brendan schaub
She doesn't need sex.
joe rogan
She doesn't need sex.
And they're like, what the fuck?
I mean, obviously there's no genetic diversity, right?
Because they obviously would need a male DNA to mix with the female DNA. There it is.
Mutant crayfish clones itself and it's taking over Europe.
So this crayfish doesn't fuck.
They just reproduce.
Like one crayfish could just reproduce.
It's really bananas.
So this is a new thing that didn't exist 25 years ago.
This is something that they are very sure wasn't a living organism up until recently.
Here's a good thing.
Crayfish are delicious.
People are starving to death.
Now they got some motherfuckers that all you have to do is just throw some stuff in there.
You don't have to count on them fucking.
brendan schaub
Maybe it's the same stuff that made the frogs gay.
joe rogan
Could be.
Could be, bro.
brendan schaub
Maybe it's linked.
joe rogan
Could be, bro.
I mean, it could be.
It could be pesticides.
Look, there's another thing about the amount of people that flush pills down the toilet and how much that shit goes through water treatment plants and into aqueducts and into reservoirs and shit.
Yeah.
There's a lot of pills that get flushed down our toilets, and some of them make it into rivers and shit.
Some of them make it into the ocean.
You know what's supposed to be particularly bad?
I never thought about this until a friend of mine who was a surfer told me.
He was a yoga teacher who was a surfer and said nobody told him and he got real sick because he went into the ocean right after the rain.
You can't go to the ocean after the rain.
Because when it rains in LA, all that bullshit, all the chemicals and toxins and cleaners and oil and gasoline and plastic washes into the water, like right at the shore.
And that's where it's all just swashing around in there with the waves.
And you get in there and you get sick as fuck.
You're basically getting poisoned.
brendan schaub
Is there some kind of filtration system before they just let all the water just run right into the ocean?
joe rogan
It runs right from the streets.
From the runoff.
Just from the streets.
eddie bravo
Where does the toilet water go?
joe rogan
Toilet water goes through a sewage system.
eddie bravo
Different system.
joe rogan
Yeah, it goes through a sanitation system.
But sometimes those break.
I was at the Charles River in Boston once, and it was right across the street from where I lived.
And I'd hang out there all the time when I was a kid.
And I was standing there on the shore, and I saw these bubbles and these chunks of things floating up to the water.
And I was like, what the fuck is that?
And then I saw a condom.
Bloop, come up.
And I went, oh, that's a sewer pipe.
They're flushing condoms and like shit and condom water.
It's coming right through the fucking ground into this river where all these fish live.
These fish are probably living off of human shit.
brendan schaub
What's the water like after the sewage water runs through the filtration system?
What is that water like?
unidentified
Perfect.
brendan schaub
And where does it go?
joe rogan
Fiji bottles.
eddie bravo
Does it go into Fiji?
joe rogan
$2.99 for eight ounces.
brendan schaub
Based on what I saw online, it seems like Fiji water is the best water out there.
It's pretty good.
They tested a lot of bottled water, and a lot of bottled water has a lot of bullshit in it.
joe rogan
Look at this.
After 50 years, Boston's Charles River just became swimmable again.
Took $500 million and nearly two decades of work.
Here's how the city did it.
That's it, man.
That was the river that's connected to...
That river went all the way down near my house.
brendan schaub
Why was it so polluted?
joe rogan
People are gross.
Dude, when people started building shit in the 1800s, they didn't give a fuck about the future.
They took that sewer pipe and went just lay it right there and pump it right into the fucking ocean.
I'm going to take a shit right in that water.
It's going to go shooting down that pipe.
And drop right on a fish's head.
Who cares?
They didn't give a fuck.
When they were building things, they would have all their industrial runoff just go right into rivers.
They polluted thousands of rivers.
Like, who the fuck knows how many fish died because people in the early days of the Industrial Revolution were fucking assholes.
They didn't have any consequences.
They didn't think about the possibility of completely destroying the environment.
Like, that didn't exist before the age of the industrial machines.
The only time it existed before that was when dead bodies would pollute river systems and shit after war.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when people would throw bodies into rivers, like that would, you know, that would fuck up people's wells, that would fuck up, you know, any drinking water.
People got real sick from that.
brendan schaub
How did kings shit?
What did their toilets look like, like back in the 1500s, 1600s?
joe rogan
Looked like some dude that hates mouth.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you know, exactly, right?
eddie bravo
They had to have pimp ass toilets for the kings back in the day.
joe rogan
I'm sure they did.
Why don't you Google it, Jamie?
Toilet from King Henry the eighth that King Henry this ago killed all his wives, right?
unidentified
I got toilets from all the way back in the BC's, but I'm gonna go to more King Henry a got tired of those ladies just cut the fuck where is it?
brendan schaub
Where does the King's loaf go to mmm?
joe rogan
Where does it lead to expected by by doctors?
They want to make sure he's got enough fiber in his diet Keep his highness alive.
brendan schaub
Where did the king just found something?
joe rogan
Oh, which is fine Jamie.
What's that face?
jamie vernon
Something called a thunder mug.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
Pull that up.
jamie vernon
Make sure it was what it's supposed to be.
joe rogan
Here we go.
jamie vernon
Hold on.
joe rogan
Make sure.
Oh, okay.
This is from the 1600s?
That's what he shit into?
jamie vernon
No, that's why I say this is a Shakespearean chamber pot, not the Bard's own thunder mug.
But it is a typical chamber pot.
joe rogan
That's what they would call them?
Chamber pots?
jamie vernon
I think.
joe rogan
So it's a pot that you shit in.
Like literally shit in a pot.
That looks sturdy.
So it's really like a toilet bowl.
It's like a toilet bowl.
It just doesn't have water in it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Do you think they've left water in it to make it easier to clean?
jamie vernon
Probably next to it.
joe rogan
Probably smarter to have water in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you plop in the water.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Otherwise.
brendan schaub
And you get a couple slaves to pull it out, dump it, and you're good.
joe rogan
Like if you ever have to take a shit on a plane and you see how little water there is and that little thing that you're dropping logs into.
And then when you flush, it never gets at all.
You know, and you gotta think, do I just like play stupid and get out of here?
Or do I give a courtesy flush?
jamie vernon
Yeah, American Revolution is a hole in the ground.
joe rogan
Nice.
Imagine falling into that hole.
That's your death.
You choke to death on shit.
It's happened.
100% has happened.
It's happened.
I read about a dude who fell into a septic tank.
He fell into a septic tank and drowned.
He had a septic tank in his backyard.
And he was fixing it somehow or another, and it broke, he fell through, and he DROWNED! In a fucking septic tank!
eddie bravo
How did they get rid of their shits in the city, just regular peasants?
They just threw it out on the streets?
brendan schaub
Or did they have to collect it and drag it out to the woods?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Well, there was a real issue in Rome in the early days of people shitting in the streets.
And apparently there's a lot of people in San Francisco right now that are shitting in the streets.
It's a real issue.
Jake Shields, my friend, the MMA fighter, jujitsu master, Jake Shields, you know Jake Shields, of course.
He put a video up on Instagram of some dude shitting, like pulling his pants down and like shitting right into the street.
Like he said, it's happening everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
San Francisco has an amazing amount of bums.
joe rogan
I think it was Jake Shields.
I don't want to speak out of turn.
Pretty sure it was Jake.
eddie bravo
That's the best city for homeless people, for sure.
joe rogan
They let people do whatever the fuck they want in that city.
They're so nice.
They're so open-minded and they feel so guilty because they made a billion dollars from like Brazzers.com or some shit.
You know, they made all that tech money.
It's a different kind of money.
They're so liberal.
In comparison to Wall Street banker type dudes, those dudes are like cutthroat, right wing, private jet, fuck you, minko, big watch, go, go, go.
I'm doing coke.
Whereas the money on the other side, like the tech money, they're all like, well, diversity is really important, and women, they need to be represented in tech, and this is their space.
This is a space for them, too.
We need to let them know.
We need to encourage that.
Like, they're so left-wing.
They're like, these homeless people, they also, just because they don't have an address doesn't mean this city is not equally theirs.
You know, we have to...
Help them and offer aid.
Crackheads just taking diarrhea splatter shits against walls.
They just let these people get away.
They were fucking mentally ill people.
And they just let them wander around through their streets.
If they really cared, you know what they would do?
They would really put some money into taking care of these people.
Instead of just letting them wander around the streets shitting all over the place.
Have a place where you can get them clothes from the Salvation Army or something like that.
Have a place where you give them regular showers.
Have something that's like appealing.
They can go to all the time.
So you keep them from just shitting on the streets in front of everybody.
Like that's crazy.
brendan schaub
Billy Corrigan had a residency in San Francisco maybe eight years ago.
And it was all about him just writing songs on the spot and then going on stage that night and doing brand new songs, like a weird kind of residency.
And he had this one song that he wrote about.
He was just hanging out in the park in San Francisco and just wrote about the bums and how disgusting it all was.
And called the song Peace and Love.
Excellent song.
eddie bravo
One of his greatest songs.
joe rogan
It's deep.
brendan schaub
It's about the bums.
joe rogan
There's so many, man.
We used to run into them all the time when we did gigs in San Francisco.
We'd go out to eat, and you'd have to do like this bum obstacle course on the way to the restaurant.
Like, oh, here comes one.
Get across the street.
Oh, no, no, no.
I don't have any money, bro.
They're super aggressive, too.
brendan schaub
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
People are real tolerant there.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
But isn't that better?
That's better than the opposite.
I think it's good to live in a place that's as tolerant as possible.
Even if the super lefties get annoying, you don't want the opposite.
See, they might fuck up because there's the same sort of mentality that goes on with people on the far left and people on the far right.
That mentality is, my way's the right way, I'm right, you're wrong, fuck you, I'm gonna make you change.
I'm gonna make you do it and that doesn't work that doesn't work on anybody but I always feel like it's safer and better when that's happening towards like Kindness and compassion and income equality and all these things that are I see like even though it gets very authoritarian I See that at least it has like a good heart to it all like even if it's misguided some of its miss some socialism's misguided or even if they're pretending Yeah, there's always that.
That's a good move, right?
If you're going to pretend, you pretend towards the left.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to make some money.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you could steal all sorts of tax money.
eddie bravo
Just pretend you're helping people.
joe rogan
There's definitely a lot of that going on.
There's no doubt about that.
Dude, we haven't talked about Tony Ferguson.
It's 2 o'clock.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the kind of podcast we do.
brendan schaub
Is it 2 o'clock already?
unidentified
Dude.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
joe rogan
We ramble.
eddie bravo
God damn.
joe rogan
We have to talk about Tony Ferguson seeing as how you're his jiu-jitsu coach and I was fucking convinced I told Jamie I told Jimmy Smith.
I'm like, I'm not buying it.
I'm not buying it.
It's April Fool's.
The shit's coming on April Fool's.
Fuck you, man.
You'll fool me once shame on you Fool me 50 times or how many times I've been busted by April Fool's like there's no fucking way Tony Ferguson got hurt a week before the fight.
There's no way.
Yeah, and it's true That's the first thing I thought.
brendan schaub
I'm like, oh my god, everyone's going to think this is April Fools.
joe rogan
That's what Dana said.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no one's going to believe this.
You know, I found out late Saturday night.
You know, I'm in the studio with Danny Loner just making some music.
And, you know, I knew something might have been wrong because we were supposed to work Saturday afternoon and He never know shows.
eddie bravo
He's late a lot, but he was late, and I'm just hanging out in front of a studio.
He's got his own gym now.
brendan schaub
And after a while, he didn't return his text.
I'm like, something, you know, he's a fucking superstar.
There's a lot of shit going on, so I just said, okay, fuck it.
So I left and went on with my day, went in the studio, and then I get the text, like at 11.25 at night, Saturday night.
unidentified
He said, I fucked up my knee.
brendan schaub
Blew my fucking LCL out.
eddie bravo
He wants to fight.
He wants to fight.
brendan schaub
He did not not want to fight, but his doctor said, you can't fight.
And he was like, I need a second opinion.
So he went to the UFC doctors.
They said, nope, you can't fight.
His LCL is detached from his knee.
joe rogan
So it's pulled from the bone.
eddie bravo
It's pulled off the bone.
brendan schaub
That's what they said.
joe rogan
That's how Dana described it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, usually you tear your LCL or your MCL, usually, because I've done my MCL before.
eddie bravo
It repairs on its own.
brendan schaub
It's so thick, according to what the doctors tell me.
I don't know shit.
eddie bravo
But you tear your meniscus, you probably need surgery for that.
Or you tear your ACL, you for sure need surgery for that, if it's a complete tear.
But the LCL and the MCL, the only time they're...
brendan schaub
Again, according to what I hear, the only time he needs surgery is if it's fucking blown the fuck out, like motorcycle accents, like freak things.
And when I say Tony wanted a fight, he would have fought with that shit.
He didn't give a fuck.
eddie bravo
They wouldn't let him fight.
He wanted a fight.
joe rogan
Was he walking with sunglasses on indoors?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
I don't know what he was wearing.
joe rogan
This is what Dana was saying, I think.
He said he tripped over some wires.
eddie bravo
You know those thick cables that they lay on?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Apparently he tripped over water and fell.
brendan schaub
Fuck.
joe rogan
That's insane.
eddie bravo
It's the craziest thing ever.
joe rogan
It's insane.
brendan schaub
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's so sad.
That fight is doomed.
Dana White said he would never put that fight on again.
I'm like, are you crazy?
Book that shit again.
eddie bravo
The thing that sucks is...
joe rogan
Maybe four is the magic number.
brendan schaub
Dana said in an interview, kind of hinted or alluded to the fact...
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope I'm wrong.
eddie bravo
But that they're going to strip Tony of his interim belt.
brendan schaub
Like, you know, Robert Whitaker...
joe rogan
Where'd you see that?
brendan schaub
Someone told me.
I didn't hear it, so that's why I'm saying I don't know if it's true.
Someone said, yeah, Danny just did an interview.
eddie bravo
He was hinting like...
brendan schaub
He said it in such a way that...
Tony is going to get stripped of his belt.
And I thought, like, that's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Well, here's my question.
If someone is the champ, right, and they get injured and they can't defend their title, then they have an interim title, right?
But if the interim guy gets injured and can't defend the interim title, do they strip the interim title?
Does that ever happen?
eddie bravo
Robert Whitaker, he went through the same thing.
joe rogan
Tony Ferguson loses interim lightweight title when Nurmagomedov and Holloway square off.
So I guess they're taking the title from him.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they didn't do that to Robert Whitaker.
brendan schaub
He was the interim champion.
joe rogan
Should they have an interim interim?
No?
brendan schaub
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
It doesn't seem right.
brendan schaub
They let Whitaker take 11 months off to recover.
joe rogan
Why would they do that?
brendan schaub
It was the exact same thing.
It was the exact same situation.
eddie bravo
Robert Whitaker was fighting for the interim, or he had the interim title.
brendan schaub
He was going to fight.
I forget who it was.
eddie bravo
It was either Yo Romero.
brendan schaub
I forget who it was.
eddie bravo
And then he got injured.
They didn't strip him.
unidentified
Right.
eddie bravo
Why are they stripping Tony?
joe rogan
Do you feel like it's punishment for him getting injured a week out, like they're pissed, and like, fuck it, strip him?
unidentified
Injuries?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, but that's...
joe rogan
You can't do that, right?
brendan schaub
That's not right.
eddie bravo
I mean, Tony wanted to fight more than anybody.
joe rogan
You've got to believe me on that one.
Like, if he happens four weeks ago, and it's an injury in training, and he tears it from the bone, is that, they just reschedule the fight, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's still for the interim title.
Why is it like a week out the interim is canceled?
Maybe it's because they have to make a big fight with Max Holloway versus Khabib for the world that cost Tony a lot of money because he has the interim belt he This was going to be by far the biggest payday ever for him.
brendan schaub
I mean, he was making some good money.
It's because of the belt.
So if you strip him his next fight, he doesn't have that belt anymore to get money.
joe rogan
So he'll get significantly less money?
brendan schaub
If you don't have a belt, hell yeah.
joe rogan
What if Max or Khabib wins, right?
One of them I assume is going to win.
Whoever won it is.
And then Tony gets healthy.
And then they're going to have Tony fight one of those guys for the title.
Like he would get less than he would have for this fight?
brendan schaub
If he doesn't have the belt.
joe rogan
Really?
So that's part of the contract?
eddie bravo
If you're going to negotiate for a fight and you have a belt, you have way more power than if you don't have a belt.
brendan schaub
So by stripping him of the belt, his next fight when he heals up and comes back, it's going to cost him.
And it's not fair because, again, Robert Whitaker didn't get stripped of his interim belt.
eddie bravo
Max Holloway and Khabib should just fight, just a main event fight.
It doesn't have to be for a belt because that's going to fuck Tony.
joe rogan
Well, why would it fuck Tony if he still gets the interim title?
If he kept the interim title, then it wouldn't fuck him.
eddie bravo
Yes, exactly.
brendan schaub
For his next fight, when he negotiates for his next fight.
joe rogan
And then he would be interim title holder versus world title holder.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Why does Max and Khabib have to fight for a belt?
It doesn't have to be for a belt.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, the UFC holds all the cards.
They can make up the rules.
They can do whatever they want when it comes to the rankings and stuff, right?
They can't do whatever they want when it comes to rules.
So with their position, they're like, look, this is going to cost a shitload of money.
How do we recoup that money?
You know, how do we, okay, we get Holloway to fight.
Oh, that's almost as big.
That's a giant fight too.
Okay, now we're back.
Now we're back in business.
And the stripping him thing, I don't know what the policy is on that.
I don't know if there's a public policy or if it's just, they just make the call.
brendan schaub
I think they could do whatever they want to do.
joe rogan
They would never give up that power if they did have it, like to some organizing body.
Like why would they, right?
Because organizing bodies could even get corrupted.
But I think you have to be very careful when you make like interim titles that you don't make too many of them and you don't have them around too often.
You know, like once you have them, you got to get them resolved pretty quick.
Like they're a way to build up excitement about the fight.
But yeah, I mean, I don't think they would have stripped him if he got injured four weeks ago.
But who knows?
I might be wrong.
Maybe they have a new policy.
Maybe they're just stripping people.
But then Conor hasn't fought in 500 days.
He's not stripped yet.
Conor's not stripped yet.
He hasn't fought in more than 500 days.
MMA. Last time he fought was Eddie Alvarez.
That was his last MMA fight.
That was a long time ago, man.
That was a long time ago.
And then he hasn't been stripped.
So imagine being a lightweight, just sitting around waiting while he's on boxing TV, having a boxing match with Floyd Mayweather.
He doesn't even get stripped of his title, doesn't defend it, makes a hundred million bucks.
They're like, when you're fighting again, I was like, who fucking knows?
He doesn't say shit.
brendan schaub
It'd be a lot clearer as to what to do in this situation.
eddie bravo
If Conor would have just fought like a regular lightweight champion, there wouldn't be this interim confusion.
joe rogan
It's so good for Conor though.
All of it just makes him bigger and bigger.
It's like they even changed the rules for him.
You know?
I mean, think about that.
For him, it just makes him bigger.
He hasn't fought in 500 days.
Who fucking cares?
He's just rolling around in a bathtub full of $100 bills every day.
unidentified
Just diving in there and swimming.
joe rogan
He can do whatever the fuck he wants.
brendan schaub
Did you see that documentary on Netflix?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
brendan schaub
It's really good.
He knew he was going to be a champion back in the day.
It starts when he has just one tattoo, the one down his back, that's it.
None of the neck tattoos or anything.
He already knew.
He knew he just had dynamite in his hands.
Crushing people on the local scene.
Crushing them.
One shots.
Boom.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw him fight in 2013, I think.
Somewhere around there.
brendan schaub
In his first chance at the UFC, I wouldn't have known if I didn't see this documentary, it's hard to keep track of everything, but it was in Sweden.
It was a Swedish show, it was like last minute replacement, they brought him in, and he fought, what was his name?
Black guy.
Shit, I forget his name.
Good guy real good guy and he lit him up and that was like damn after that one fight Like there's there's footage of of him and Dana and like Dana was already here any new he goes man I guess the hype was real Jesus My favorite fights with him are the two fights with Nate Diaz though, you know You know why?
joe rogan
Because those are the fights where he couldn't put someone away.
Just crack them and put them away.
So you had to see him fight.
He had a fight.
And it's a totally different game.
Like, if you see what he did to Eddie Alvarez, that was a totally different kind of fight.
Because he stung Eddie early, had him hurt, and he was his.
He owned him.
And then he fucked him up and stopped him.
That was a beating.
brendan schaub
What round was that?
joe rogan
I think it was a second.
Second was a second.
brendan schaub
He barely made it out of the first, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, barely made it.
I mean, he got fucked up from the get-go.
Conor just had his numbers.
Way faster, way quicker, and like covering distance.
Just like laser beams at night.
And I don't think Eddie fought right.
I think Eddie was a little bit too caught up in the moment.
This is the big hype of the fight, getting to fight Conor McGregor, and he just got fucked up.
And Conor had his hands behind his back and standing right in front of him, chicken necking him and then popping him in the face.
That was ugly.
So that, you know, like what year was that?
That was 500 days ago.
That kind of fight is a great fight for Conor, but that's all hammer.
When he fought Nate, he had to be the nail through a lot of that.
The whole fucking second round of the first fight when Nate got him down was the second round submission, right?
Wasn't it?
brendan schaub
I don't know when he submitted him.
joe rogan
Did Nate submit him in the second round?
What are you looking at me funny?
You got something?
These fool pull out more than I do with my dick.
That's what Connor said.
These fools pull out more than I do with my dick.
I like how he had to specify with his dick.
eddie bravo
So he must have only pulled out four times max.
brendan schaub
That's not that great.
joe rogan
The fights with Nate were fights.
You know, he had to dig deep and he lost the first one.
He got beat up, he got taken down, he got his back taken, he got choked, he tapped.
I mean, he fucking lost that fight.
And then the second fight, he drops Nate, but he can't put Nate away.
Nate gets back up.
They're going after it.
There's fucking times where he's gotta stand and walk away.
He's gotta walk away because he's too tired.
He can't engage right now.
So he walked away a couple times in those exchanges.
Those were dig, dig fights.
What's this, buddy?
Round two, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Submission, re-naked choke.
Four minutes and 12 seconds into round two.
Yeah, he beat him down, wore him down, and then stopped him.
eddie bravo
And the fight that Conard won, could that have gone either way?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
brendan schaub
It was arguments, right?
joe rogan
Yes, very close fight.
I don't remember that much.
I think under the new rules, Conor probably would have won because I think, look, I think even just one knockdown is not good enough for a 10-8 round.
It's just not.
You know, in a five minute round, like one knockdown, it depends on how the other exchanges were going.
If the exchanges were all the same and then you cracked them once, you definitely won.
But did you win 10-8?
Like 10-8 is a beatdown, I think.
But even I think that should be wrong.
I don't think it should be that.
I think it should be like 100 points.
And I think they should have like scores for like 1 through 10 in striking, 1 through 10 in wrestling, 1 through 10 or non-applicable.
If there's no wrestling at all, you just 10. But you got to look at it this way, though.
brendan schaub
If you could have a fight and in one round it's super close and really nothing happened.
It was super close and no one really connected anything.
And that happens all the time.
That's a 10-9 round, right?
Right.
And then you compare that to another round where a guy got dropped, but it was kind of a flash knockdown.
He pops back up, and then it's kind of even for the rest of the round.
That can't be a 10-9-2.
eddie bravo
So either you've got to make more 10-10 rounds or 9-9 rounds, and then you could say, okay, a knockdown doesn't necessarily mean 10-8, because then a 10-9 is going to mean one dude clearly won and he landed some good shots.
brendan schaub
That's a 10-9.
joe rogan
Right, right.
brendan schaub
So it's all how you lay it down.
So if you're going to give, you know, a dude where the round could have gone either way and you're going to give someone a 10-9 and it looks just like a dude getting knocked down, that should be different.
eddie bravo
So it all depends on add more draws or...
Make it so that if you knock a dude down, that's an automatic 10-8 round.
brendan schaub
You knock a dude down, that's 10-8.
eddie bravo
You knocked him down.
joe rogan
But what if he's beating your ass all over the place, and then you catch him with like five seconds to go, drop him, and he gets right back up, and he cracks you with a jab.
Do you still get a 10-8 because you dropped him?
eddie bravo
I think I would say that's a 9-9.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a 9-9 maybe.
unidentified
Right?
brendan schaub
I guess.
joe rogan
But it depends on how much he's beating your ass before that.
brendan schaub
If the guy's beating your ass down the whole round and then you clip him once and he drops, maybe you weren't really beating him down that hard.
Maybe it just looked like it because he still cracked you.
eddie bravo
If you were really beating him down, how was he able to knock you down?
joe rogan
That happens all the time.
Guys still have power, especially if you run into something.
brendan schaub
That's a hard one to score.
eddie bravo
That's a hard one to score.
brendan schaub
A knockdown, then a beatdown, you get outclassed the whole match, or the whole round, and then you get knocked down once.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Drago, Pete Sell fought Scott Smith?
brendan schaub
From Rocky IV? No.
No, I'm kidding.
eddie bravo
I thought that's what you were saying.
Do you remember when Drago in the second round against Rocky?
joe rogan
We met him a long time ago at Matt Serra's place.
I remember Pete Sell.
Do you remember Pete Sell?
brendan schaub
Yes, I know exactly who he is.
joe rogan
Pete dropped.
He hurt Scott Smith real bad with a left hook to the body.
Scott doubled over and winced.
And Pete moved in for the kill.
And Scott Smith just landed the perfect picture point.
brendan schaub
But wasn't he faking it?
No!
joe rogan
He dropped in agony after he knocked him out.
Pete hooked him to the body, hurt him real bad, and when Pete moved in for the kill, Scott Smith hit him with a picture perfect right hand.
brendan schaub
That I do remember.
I remember that one.
joe rogan
Just knocked him out.
He falls back, and then Scott Smith drops to the ground after he stopped the fight, and he's in agony holding onto his side.
It was crazy.
It was crazy.
See, that can happen.
Like, even if you're beating a guy down, they're still moving.
If they still just plant and just uncork one.
Pat Berry, Czech Congo.
Remember that shit?
Pat Berry had Czech Congo on Coeur Street.
He was wobbling and all over the place.
It looked like the fight was over.
And Pat moves in for the kill and boom!
Czech Congo hits him with a haymaker as he's running in.
Flatlines Pat Berry for the first time in his career.
Shit can happen.
If you're not knocked out, you're still moving, you still can knock someone out.
It can happen.
Especially if they get careless.
There it is.
Hits him with the left.
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
I mean, that's a picture-perfect left hook to the body, but watch this.
He's in agony.
Pete moves in.
Bam!
I mean, that is a crazy right hand.
brendan schaub
That's like round nine of Lange versus Balboa.
joe rogan
Look at him on the ground in agony afterwards.
Pete's cell couldn't even believe it happened.
Yeah, you should always faint before you move in.
Always.
Always.
Even if you think you got a guy hurt, give him one of those.
unidentified
Yeah, just check.
joe rogan
Just see us up.
Feast like this, like, oh, okay.
Okay.
Give me something.
Show me what you got going on.
I mean, the best guys, they never just charge.
Like Max Holloway, we finished off Aldo.
It's just constant pressure, constant pressure.
But when he feels Aldo firing back, he's like, oh, I'll step back for a second.
Right back on you, baby.
brendan schaub
Who's the best fainter?
joe rogan
That's always pretty goddamn good at it.
brendan schaub
It seems like I just saw someone fighting the UFC or maybe Bellator that was always just fainting.
joe rogan
Wonderboy might get my vote for the best fainter.
Because Wonderboy also has...
It's like what style fainting is most effective.
Wonderboy has an extra advantage of having that right leg forward or left leg forward, whichever he chooses.
Sideway stance.
With that long body of his, that's a weird thing.
I've dealt with that, man.
In the old martial arts days and Taekwondo days, it's the hardest thing to deal with.
Those long guys that have a powerful front leg, he just keeps you away.
You don't know what the fuck he's doing.
So he faints, and then BAM! He comes in with the left hand, or he faints, and BOOM! There's a roundhouse kick in your face.
I think he's the most effective.
Also, he doesn't move like everybody else.
Everybody else has sort of a modified Taekwondo style, or Muay Thai style rather, except for the Taekwondo guys.
There's a few guys like, even Conor.
Conor has more of a karate style a lot of the times.
He'll stand like, when you see him fight Aldo, he stood totally sideways.
I mean, he was bouncing back and forth, back and forth like a karate fighter.
brendan schaub
Remember how Don the Dragon Wilson used to fight?
eddie bravo
He used to just get up on one leg and just keep his left leg up and kind of flip it and just be on one leg and just keep the left leg all the way up?
joe rogan
Dude, I sparred with that guy once.
eddie bravo
It's annoying, right?
joe rogan
He's very good at that.
He's very good at that.
He was real nice to me.
How come more people don't do that?
brendan schaub
Too much energy?
joe rogan
Well, he was...
brendan schaub
You could tie kick him, right?
joe rogan
Dude, he's good at that too.
If you watch Don Wilson's fight with Dennis Alexio, Don Wilson fucked Dennis Alexio up back when Dennis Alexio didn't know about leg kicks.
Dennis Alexio wound up becoming one of the very best guys at leg kicks.
He was also one of the first guys I ever saw get his leg broken in a fight.
He fought Stan the Man Longinitas and he had a grass skirt.
And Stan Longinitas, he used to work with my friend Shuki.
Remember Shuki?
The Israeli guy who was teaching me kickboxing back in the day.
His leg was all fucked up because he would hold pads for Stan Longinitas.
He had that big old tied leg pad.
Like if you think...
Some people, like if you see a guy who kicks real hard, right?
The heavyweight, world champion Muay Thai guys, or Thai boxer, kick boxer guys, like a Stan Longinus, the power they have on their kick is unfathomable.
Remember, I brought this up with you, but you say it wasn't you.
I was at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu once, and we were watching Pedro Hizo kick the bag.
And I was like, what?
Like, you just think of one of those slamming into your thigh, and you're like, there's no way.
There's no way.
Shooky's whole leg was fucked up.
He was holding the pad on one side.
He was going to need a hip replacement.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
Dude, imagine a guy kicks your leg while you're holding pads for him so hard you need a hip replacement.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
Was not worth it.
joe rogan
Don the Dragon Wilson beat Dennis Alexio with leg kicks, is my point.
But Don had that weird style.
He would stand totally sideways.
And he didn't take any chances.
He fought super intelligent.
He fought deep into his 40s, too, man.
He's an OG. Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
Don Wilson's a real OG. I did commentary with him.
brendan schaub
He was my partner in King of the Cage for maybe five or six shows.
eddie bravo
Man, talk about the worst commentary ever.
brendan schaub
Me and Don the Dragon Wilson.
Oh, yeah.
Can you imagine?
Oh, no.
Commentary is just not, that's not my gig, man.
I could do color, but being the play-by-play guy, that's just a whole different animal.
joe rogan
I did that once.
eddie bravo
With Phil Barone.
joe rogan
Phil Barone was fucking hilarious.
brendan schaub
He was great.
It was the Miami show.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
We had a good time.
brendan schaub
Was that the only UFC in Miami?
I think that was the only one ever, right?
joe rogan
Um, I don't know about that.
eddie bravo
Is this Don the Dragon?
joe rogan
Don Wilson?
Who's he fighting here?
There he is.
Look at him in these red pants, man.
Oh, it's him fighting Dennis Lexio.
Yeah.
See how he would just flip that thing out?
Everything was like light and flippy.
eddie bravo
And they couldn't...
joe rogan
Yeah, they didn't know what to do with it.
brendan schaub
They couldn't kick to the legs, right?
joe rogan
Oh, they could.
eddie bravo
Oh, they could?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Oh, look at that side.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, they could.
See?
He just kicked him in the leg right there.
Don Wilson fucked him up with leg kicks in this fight.
See, Dennis Alexio is trying to kick him in the legs.
This is after what had happened was a lot of these guys like Don Wilson that had a traditional karate background, learned how to kickbox, they realized how potent leg kicks were.
A big factor was Rick the Jet Rufus, Duke Rufus's brother, who was one of, you know, the all-time best PKA style above-the-waist kickboxers.
Rick Rufus, when I was a kid, man, I wanted to be like Rick Rufus.
He would fight dudes sideways, stance, and just fuck them up.
Fuck them up with hook kicks and roundhouse kicks and dive in with punches, like blitz karate-style punches.
I mean, Rick Rufus was doing shit that nobody was doing.
And he fought this Thai dude.
I do not remember the gentleman's name, but Duke Rufus brought it up on a podcast as being like a big transformation in his life.
I saw that fight.
eddie bravo
They were like a mixed rules.
A little bit of Muay Thai, a little bit of American kickboxing.
brendan schaub
They allowed the leg kicks, but they didn't allow elbows or something like that.
They mixed it up.
eddie bravo
Like K1? Yes.
joe rogan
Here it is.
What is the guy's name?
Did you hug out pause that real quick?
Chang's black key at song grit get some great Chang quick chan quick cut song great and he had an okay record.
It was like he Oh, well, he had more than 100 professional fights.
I mean, he was a world champion.
He wasn't an okay guy.
Yeah, he was really good.
He was a beast.
Okay, let's see what I think they say.
eddie bravo
He was fucking him up with his hands though.
Rick Rufus was fucking him up with his hands.
brendan schaub
Had him hurt.
eddie bravo
Had him almost knocked out a couple times.
But he kept landing those leg kicks.
joe rogan
He didn't know about the leg kicks back then.
brendan schaub
And he had to be carried off in a stretcher.
eddie bravo
He couldn't fight because he couldn't walk.
brendan schaub
His legs were gone.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't know what it was there.
So, I mean, this is like a long time ago.
He didn't understand, but he tagged him with some punches, man.
eddie bravo
Oh, yeah, he couldn't hang with his hands.
joe rogan
No, look at that.
Spinning back fist and the punch behind it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he was fucking him up.
joe rogan
He really was.
eddie bravo
But little by little, he was landing them leg kicks.
joe rogan
Look how tough that Thai guy is, though.
To take those shots and to bounce back.
eddie bravo
One of the greatest fights ever in kickboxing history.
Just the fact that this is how Rick Rufus learned the power of leg kicks.
unidentified
Look at that!
joe rogan
Look at that fucking...
Go back there real quick.
Go back there.
eddie bravo
That guy's almost out.
unidentified
Go back.
joe rogan
At the end of the round.
Go back.
Watch this.
Look at this move that he does.
He does that touch, jumping side kick, spinning wheel kick.
Hit him in the head.
Dude's out on his feet.
At the end of the bell, they sit him down in the corner.
Out on his feet.
Just keep playing this.
eddie bravo
This is one of the greatest matches ever.
It's so historically significant in martial arts.
I mean, this is where they learned.
brendan schaub
This is where those American kickboxers, this was an eye-opener.
This is like UFC 1 for kickboxing.
joe rogan
Dude, I remember the first time someone ever kicked me in the leg, and they didn't even do it hard.
They did it to show me how hard it is when you get kicked in the leg.
It was like a light bulb went off.
It went, Oh no.
brendan schaub
The first time I've ever heard of a leg kick, I was working at the strip club as a DJ and one of the managers was all into karate.
Tournament, you always say, I've done tournament karate for 12 years.
unidentified
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Dude, he's lighting them up with these leg kicks.
brendan schaub
And then he took me in the back one day and he goes, dude, Stand there.
Let me kick you.
And he kicked me with his shin.
He goes, people are doing this now.
How does that feel?
eddie bravo
He was experimenting on my leg.
brendan schaub
He goes, does this hurt?
They're landing with their shin.
eddie bravo
And I'm like, damn, fuck.
People are kicking with their shins?
brendan schaub
That's weird.
joe rogan
Well, the crazy thing is when you feel it from someone who's just tapping your leg how much it hurts.
Now think of this dude.
Whose name I can't pronounce again.
Boom!
So Rick would try to throw his own kick, but his low kicks were like foot kicks.
I mean, he was a foot kicker.
He wasn't like a shin kicker back then.
Like most karate guys were instep kickers.
You would hit a guy with a roundhouse kick, but you would hit him in the body with your instep.
You'd hit him in the head with your instep.
Almost everything I ever did up until I started doing Muay Thai was with my insteps.
Or you heal, you know, like heel kicks, wheel kicks, stuff like that.
brendan schaub
It was incredible that Americans didn't figure that out, you know?
Isn't that insane?
joe rogan
Nobody had kicked him in the leg yet.
I mean, this is crazy shit.
Did he hit him with a punch on the way down?
Back that up again real quick.
Back just a hair.
Look at this.
He goes down.
Yeah, he elbowed him in the back of the head!
Holy shit!
Dude, show that again!
Dude, watch this again.
Watch what happens.
He goes down, and on the way down, watch this.
Boom!
See that elbow?
Yo, dude, no doubt.
Dirty elbow to the back of the dome.
One more time, please.
One more time, please.
Look at this.
Down.
On his way down.
Watch his left.
Boom!
He fucking cracked the back of his head with an elbow.
Referee didn't even know what an elbow was.
That's an invalid technique.
Continue, gentlemen.
brendan schaub
He totally missed a punch, landed with his elbow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he tried to land a punch, but I'm not going to take any points away because you didn't land.
Dude, he's fucking that right leg up.
Southpaw to Southpaw.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
Look at that.
Made him switch stances.
Look at that.
He's chopping him down.
joe rogan
Dude, you can't even imagine how bad this must hurt for Rick Rufus in the middle of this fight.
He doesn't know how to block these things.
He's taking one on the front leg, one on the back leg.
He's just getting crushed.
I mean, this is crazy.
He's going across the front where the dick is.
brendan schaub
Dude, he's flat-footed now.
He can't take it.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
See, he can't spin.
He can't spin.
Look at this.
Accompanied by a stomp.
He stomped him.
Oh!
That stomp to the body was legit.
Oh my god.
Damn.
brendan schaub
They need to make a movie out of this.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
brendan schaub
Right?
joe rogan
They should make a movie.
They should make a documentary about this.
eddie bravo
From his point of view, from a poor Thai fighter.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
And Rick Rufus is trying to get up.
unidentified
And make him evil.
brendan schaub
Like, make Rick Rufus the evil white guy.
joe rogan
He can't even move.
brendan schaub
Who wants to blow up the world.
joe rogan
He can't even move.
This is like...
These guys are so important.
It's so important to our understanding because Rick Rufus was so good.
He was so good and he was doing movie shit on people.
Those jump roundhouse kick, spinning hook kicks.
Look at this.
Round two.
I mean, he was doing some really wild shit and even landing it on this guy.
Like, he was fucking good.
He was a legit champion, no doubt about it.
But he just did not understand the low kick game yet.
It was so important for a guy.
Look at that, he lands that high kick.
It was so important that a guy as good as him fought this guy, so we know for sure.
It wasn't just that Rick Rufus wasn't any good.
No, Rick Rufus was fucking real good.
Real good then, too.
He's getting crushed with those.
And this Thai guy, look at his open hands too.
Look how he's moving forward.
Just open hands.
He's all about protecting himself, pushing off, and low kicking.
Look at his hands.
See his hand placement?
I mean, that's crazy shit.
Look at that.
Boom!
Pushing off.
He's barely even trying to punch with him.
He's basically just using his hands to create space and distance and give Rick Rufus something to think about and to block the punches and the kick that Rufus throws and then, boom, leg kicks.
He just leg kicks him to death.
Look at that.
He's not punching.
He's just leg kick, leg kick, hands up, hands up, leg kick.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
That is crazy!
As soon as he stopped exchanging punches, he just started dominating the space and then slamming those leg kicks in.
Look at that.
Boom!
Fakes with the hand and across both thighs.
That's one of the most painful ones, man.
The ones across both thighs?
Ah!
Ah!
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Rob came in back when I was getting coaching from him.
He tapped me across the front of my thighs with his shin.
Just dunk.
Just tapped me.
My legs hurt all day.
This guy?
Wow!
Look at that throw!
Holy shit!
Those ties can chuck each other around too, man.
eddie bravo
I posted a little clip of a fight where they just wrapped up their hands.
brendan schaub
They didn't have gloves and headbutts were legal.
It was kickboxing where you could throw people and you could headbutt.
Did you see that clip?
joe rogan
No, I didn't see it.
brendan schaub
Dude, it's evil.
A guy headbutts his opponent standing up.
He just...
eddie bravo
Just spears his head right into it, knocks the guy down just from a headbutt.
joe rogan
And Rufus, like, he only stands that one way most of the time, too.
So that front right leg is so vulnerable to that left outside kick because they're both southpaw.
If Rick, see, now he's trying to switch up and he's putting his left leg forward because he's in so much pain.
Like, look when he walks back to his corner.
Dude, he could barely walk at the end of the third round.
unidentified
Barely walk.
eddie bravo
Was this in Thailand or was it in the States?
joe rogan
I don't know where it was.
It looks, it says Coors Beer on the canvas, so I want to think it's in America.
And plus the way they're making him, he's wearing those pants, I gotta think it's America.
Those pants look so stupid in comparison.
And also, Rick Rufus was also wearing pads on his feet.
brendan schaub
Oh shit, how did he go down there?
joe rogan
Leg kick.
Another leg kick.
brendan schaub
Oh, can you rewind that, Jamie?
joe rogan
Look at the pads.
Look at the pads on his feet.
brendan schaub
Look at this.
How does he go down?
unidentified
Boom.
brendan schaub
That was just a leg kick.
joe rogan
Yeah, just a low kick.
Caught him in the spin and just totally took his leg out.
And he's wearing those booties on the tops of his feet to protect the bones of his feet because he's a foot kicker.
See what I'm saying?
That's extra weight.
You're wearing extra four ounces or whatever the fuck it is on your feet.
It slows your kicks down.
And the Thai guy just has taped up ankles and shorts on.
It's really interesting because this really is like kickboxing versus Muay Thai.
Boom, he chops the leg again.
Boom, he chops the leg again.
Look at this.
Rick Rufus is in so much danger here.
I mean, he's basically just totally helpless.
And this Thai guy is going across the shins.
He's going across the...
If he's blocking with his knee, he doesn't give a fuck.
He's just kicking through him.
Everything.
Boom, look at that.
Boom, look at that.
He's just walking him down.
Imagine how terrifying?
Dude, boom, and then another one.
You know how terrifying that must be?
To have that guy walk you down like that?
Hands out like this.
brendan schaub
That's it.
They called it.
joe rogan
They called the fight.
I think, is that J.T. Will, the referee?
He's a famous referee.
Look at that.
He was in all those karate.
That's Duke right there.
No, that's not J.T. Will.
That's Duke right there telling everybody that he didn't think that it took a lot of skill to kick someone's legs.
unidentified
The guy did not touch anywhere else in the body, you know.
I think, you know, that Rick should have won the fight.
He had the guy out there.
brendan schaub
The big historical.
unidentified
Listen to this stuff.
I mean, Duke became like the man.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Bam.
unidentified
What's crazy now?
eddie bravo
Because he's all about legs.
joe rogan
Well, what's crazy is, I mean, Duke, I think, was only 19 at the time.
And he's changed.
He's learned.
And one of the reasons why he's so good is because he's open-minded.
But he became a world champion Muay Thai fighter himself, which is crazy.
brendan schaub
It's just like jujitsu and leg locks.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
brendan schaub
It's just like that.
eddie bravo
Like, ah, that doesn't take any talent.
You're just jumping on a guy's leg.
joe rogan
Dude, all martial arts techniques that are effective.
There's still people that don't believe in certain techniques.
brendan schaub
And the big...
Another big moment for Muay Thai in the history of that martial art was Paul Varlins versus Marco Huas.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
That's when we saw...
It was UFC 7. That's when we saw the damn...
brendan schaub
Because before UFC 7...
Everybody was thinking, okay, you can't really do any kind of striking.
You have to learn jiu-jitsu or you will lose.
eddie bravo
People were just losing faith in striking altogether.
brendan schaub
It was almost like jabs didn't even work back then.
Like, who throws a jab in MMA? You're going to get taken down and get choked out.
And UFC 7, that's when we learned, okay, leg kicks work.
eddie bravo
You've got to learn leg kicks.
joe rogan
Yeah, because Paul Varlins was 300 pounds.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that changed everything.
joe rogan
Varlins was huge.
The polar bear, they'd call him.
That guy was gigantic.
Marco Huas just took his legs out.
And then Marco Huas, he also beat Remco Pardue, that judo champion.
You remember?
brendan schaub
He mounted him and then Remco tapped.
He goes, it's over.
Once you get the mount, it's over.
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
brendan schaub
That's what he thought.
joe rogan
That is what he thought.
Isn't that crazy?
Look at this.
Marco Huas would get heel hooks on people and shit.
Who's he fighting here?
brendan schaub
Larry Curitan?
Yeah, he gets him in the heel hook right here.
joe rogan
I think this was the first heel hook in the UFC. Might have been, if it wasn't him, it was...
Oh, that's amazing.
brendan schaub
Oh, wait a minute.
eddie bravo
Maybe Ken Shamrock against Patrick Smith.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
I don't know if that was a heel hook.
joe rogan
That was an ankle lock, wasn't it?
brendan schaub
Was that an ankle lock?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Or a heel hook?
joe rogan
Yeah, Ken probably had the first ever leg lock.
And then I was going to say Oleg Taktarov.
Didn't Oleg get some heel hooks?
brendan schaub
He got a knee bar and a straight ankle lock, I think.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Old school, son.
unidentified
Oldie old school.
brendan schaub
Oh, is that like some kind of MMA show reviewing old fights?
joe rogan
Man.
brendan schaub
Oh, there's Marco Huas.
joe rogan
King of the streets, baby.
eddie bravo
Can you find Paul Varlins?
brendan schaub
It's V-A-R Varlins.
joe rogan
You ever talk to Eric Apple about his old days sparring with Marco?
They would spar Brazilian style, which is get ready for concussions.
It didn't matter if you get your nose broken, get back in there.
Everybody was just going to war.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's what everyone was scared to death of back in the early days when I was a white belt.
You hear about Half Gracie School up in...
eddie bravo
It's Paul Varlins versus Marco Huas.
joe rogan
That's Paul Varlins fighting, it looks like, in a pre-UFC fight.
Or maybe after his UFC career.
brendan schaub
He was a master of...
Was it trap fighting?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Something like that.
It was trap fighting.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
brendan schaub
There it is right there at the top.
It's the UFC fight.
joe rogan
He wore a singlet, remember?
He wore a wrestling singlet.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, look.
brendan schaub
He's 6'7".
joe rogan
This big fella.
Can you wear those singlets anymore?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
You can't, right?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Why not?
brendan schaub
It's a good question.
Girls can.
joe rogan
Well, it actually looks like he's got different color shorts on, or is that the monitor?
So he's a tank top.
He has a tank top on.
He's fighting with a tank top on.
It's not even a singlet.
unidentified
Right?
brendan schaub
It looks like a singlet.
joe rogan
A little bit, but doesn't it look like different colors?
Well, maybe you're right.
Maybe it's just we're seeing his legs.
eddie bravo
Go to the last minute of the fight.
The last minute of the fight.
That's where he chops him down.
joe rogan
He just chopped him down there with the first one.
unidentified
Boom.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's so much smaller than him.
Look how small Marco is in comparison.
Marco's a big guy.
Boom.
See, Paul Varlance doesn't have any idea what to do here, so he just keeps kicking back.
Oh, he just touched his leg.
Oh, there it is.
Marco's chopping him.
unidentified
Boom.
eddie bravo
Oh, chopped him down.
joe rogan
Get your fucks now, son.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Marco just got on top of him and dropped hammers on him.
Boom, boom.
eddie bravo
No gloves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Damn, dude.
Old school.
brendan schaub
After that everyone started training leg kicks.
joe rogan
Firmly believe we need to go back to no gloves.
Firmly believe.
I can't emphasize it enough.
I think people would get less hurt.
I think it'd be more realistic.
eddie bravo
You gotta have Rogan fighting championships on an Indian reservation.
joe rogan
I don't think it makes sense.
I mean, I'm beating a dead horse.
I know.
I'm a broken record.
I just don't think it makes sense to tape your wrists up.
Your wrists are very vulnerable.
You shouldn't be able to just make a cast out of them and slam them into things.
I feel the same way about your ankles.
Like, imagine if you could tape your wrists up to the point where nobody or your ankle up to a point where nobody could ever get you in a footlock because your ankle was protected.
It's ridiculous, right?
Well, essentially, when you get someone in a wrist lock, what are you doing?
You're pulling against the wrist.
Well, is that a valid technique?
Okay, a valid technique, like a wrist lock like this, very hard to do when someone's wrist is taped the fuck up.
When your wrist is really...
unidentified
Where does the tape go?
eddie bravo
Right across?
joe rogan
All over here.
It goes all over your knuckles.
It goes all around your wrist.
It goes all around your wrist.
It makes it much more stable.
You can really dig into things.
It feels way better.
It feels way better to hit things.
Because when you don't, especially like my hand is bigger than my wrist, so if I hit things on either side, it'll be like more wobbly.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want that bitch taped up, you know?
eddie bravo
Solid.
joe rogan
Yeah, and even if your hand is the exact same size as your wrist...
Man, this is a joint that is super articulating.
Look at this wrist.
I mean, look at all the stuff your wrist does.
Your wrist is crazy.
If you really think about joints, it's the only joint like it.
Your knees don't do that shit.
I guess your shoulders are kind of crazy.
But your wrists...
When you're punching, you would have to develop some serious strength in your forearms to be able to be a really effective bare knuckle fighter.
I mean, truly bare knuckle.
No wraps in your hands.
No nothing.
Just truly bare knuckle.
You would also learn that you must punch things with the top knuckles.
You have to.
And even then you could break them.
But if you start hitting people in the jaw, like right there, with this, crack, this fucking thing's just gonna break.
Hit somebody in the forehead right here, crack, it's gonna break.
You're going to break them.
Elbows?
Break them for sure.
You're going to break them.
But with those gloves on, you can get away with that shit.
You can get away with that shit and you could pity pack guys.
You could do that more and just not even try to find specific spots.
Just start hitting them.
You can't do that.
You have to make sure you're getting the soft tissue.
You've got to target soft tissue.
You've got to look for the jaw.
Bang!
You've got to look for the body.
unidentified
Bang!
brendan schaub
But it appears to the public to be more brutal, right?
If you don't...
joe rogan
Listen man, all you need to do is watch anybody kick somebody.
Just think the fact that we let someone slam their fucking shin into some dude's face.
Watch Jeremy Stephens.
When Jeremy Stephens fought Honey Jason.
Remember Honey Jason?
Jeremy Stephens' Honey Jason?
It is like the head kick to end all head kicks.
brendan schaub
Damn, I don't remember it.
joe rogan
Pull that shit up.
brendan schaub
You guys aren't allowed to pull up UFC footage?
joe rogan
I wish we could.
I wish we should have a special exemption from the UFC. What about Fight Pass?
eddie bravo
Like, maybe promote Fight Pass every time you use it.
brendan schaub
That would be a great way to promote it, right?
joe rogan
I wish they would let us, though.
jamie vernon
They sent me a thing one time.
They reached out and said, like, here's an account, but then they never responded.
I was like, okay, let me have it.
eddie bravo
It would be a great way to promote it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll talk to the UFC. I'll try to see what we can get done.
brendan schaub
If on your show you could talk about fights and have no issues with pulling up Fight Pass, that would be huge for them.
joe rogan
That would.
And it's free.
They don't pay me for this.
eddie bravo
And that's how people would do it at home.
brendan schaub
They'd be hanging out with their friends, going, fuck, remember that one fight?
Put it on!
Find it!
joe rogan
Are you coming to New York this weekend anyway?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
Coming to New York?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
Because I've got to be there the next week anyways.
I've got to go to Brooklyn again the following weekend.
brendan schaub
Gio's fighting Gordon Ryan's brother, Mickey Ryan.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
That's going to be amazing.
brendan schaub
It's going to be awesome, man.
joe rogan
Those guys are awesome.
I love the level of jiu-jitsu that's available right now.
eddie bravo
It's insane.
brendan schaub
It's better than ever.
Way better than ever.
I mean, the level of just the purple belts these days would destroy purple belts of like eight years ago.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
eddie bravo
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And it keeps going up and up too.
I was watching some videos today online.
eddie bravo
Instagram's huge.
brendan schaub
The loop, when you watch a technique and you can just watch it over and over again, that accelerates the learning process so much.
joe rogan
I was watching a clip today.
I watched it like 15 times in a row.
It was Cyborg doing that tornado guard pass on some big giant dude.
Cyborg BJJ, I think is his thing, he hit this giant dude with that tornado sweep.
You know how he does that?
He gets under you and spins and rolls over.
Very, very interesting.
brendan schaub
Very few people can do that.
joe rogan
He's so strong.
But that's what his post was about.
His post is about technique and strength.
Is that like your technique is like the steering wheel, but your strength is the engine.
brendan schaub
Yes, I believe that.
joe rogan
I believe that too.
brendan schaub
I mean, every top pro athlete has a serious strength and conditioning program.
joe rogan
Look at Gordon Ryan's body.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that kid's body.
That kid's a gorilla.
It's not a coincidence that he's jacked as fuck and has awesome technique and tapped Cyborg.
Think about how good Cyborg is and then think about him tapping Cyborg and tapped him pretty handily.
Look at that sweep, man.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
That was Orlando Sanchez, too.
That guy weighs 300 pounds.
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
That's why it's crazy.
That's why it's crazy.
brendan schaub
That's way crazy.
joe rogan
Look how big this is.
Look at the sweep.
Look at the sweep.
Leg up in the air and a hand, too.
brendan schaub
Damn!
joe rogan
He gets his foot in between the legs and then he pushes the hip with his hand.
brendan schaub
That's one of the greatest sweeps of all time.
joe rogan
Of all time.
Of all time.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look how he's holding his right arm.
Look, he's using his foot and he tucks him under and pushes him.
brendan schaub
I'd like to know where the left hand is at.
joe rogan
Left hand's on the hip.
Watch how he rolls.
When he rolls him, watch.
See his left hand?
See his right hand's on top of the left hand?
See it on the hip?
See it?
Pushing?
brendan schaub
Where on the hip, though?
joe rogan
It looks like it's right here.
It looks like it's right here.
He's probably just getting anything that he can that's flat.
brendan schaub
If you look at the way...
joe rogan
See the left hand?
brendan schaub
His left hamstring has got to be so strong.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, he's a gorilla.
brendan schaub
That left hamstring.
joe rogan
Insane, right?
But it's not even just a hamstring because he looks to me like his foot's sideways.
Watch when he does it again.
Look, his foot is sideways like a sidekick.
Look.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
I mean, it's like he's going against the inside of the leg.
This is what's even crazier.
The strain is like the abductor muscles.
He's going like this way.
unidentified
That's nuts, man.
brendan schaub
Look at his left leg blocking dude's left arm.
Or his right leg, I'm sorry, the right leg.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
eddie bravo
And that guy he just swept is an ADCC gold medalist and he's 300 pounds and he's a really good wrestler.
brendan schaub
He's a black belt in jiu-jitsu.
eddie bravo
That's phenomenal.
He should just leave that on a loop.
brendan schaub
At a school.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Well, Cyborg's a gorilla.
He's got an amazing...
Has he ever seen his strength and conditioning routines?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
That motherfucker doesn't play, dude.
He's a gorilla.
He's a gorilla.
brendan schaub
All the top guys.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
You got to.
eddie bravo
I just saw Andrew Galvao doing deadlifts.
brendan schaub
Yes.
Today, he's doing deadlifts in his garage.
joe rogan
Hey, let me ask you this.
Is it better to just let the deadlifts...
I was going to ask you, because of that, when he deadlifts, he drops it go.
Is that the best way to do it?
eddie bravo
You tell me.
brendan schaub
I don't know shit.
joe rogan
I don't know shit either.
I would always think that the negatives are important.
Because negatives for me are very important.
Like for chin-ups, I go way slower going down.
brendan schaub
It seems like every six months there's a whole new philosophy on strength.
eddie bravo
And it's totally the opposite of the last one.
It's so crazy.
brendan schaub
Like now the big thing is, you know, with intermittent fasting, it's like, okay, there's all these diets and eat this and gluten that and all this.
And then now the new diet is don't eat for 18 hours, you know?
joe rogan
I know.
Isn't that crazy?
It's crazy.
Dude, that shit works.
brendan schaub
You know what's great about that?
Is it makes you have a time every day where you're going to have the most fabulous meal ever.
Because when I eat, I'm starving.
And salads taste so good.
eddie bravo
Like, oh, I want a bacon.
joe rogan
16 hours off.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And when you're not that hungry, now I feel like if I'm not that hungry, I don't want to waste a meal because it's so much better when you're starving and you're out of control.
joe rogan
I eat that way most of the time except on days when I know I have a really brutal workout in the morning, like a weightlifting workout.
I'll run fasted, I'll do yoga fasted, but if I'm going to lift...
I want to have something.
I need some fruit or something.
eddie bravo
It's almost three right now.
brendan schaub
I haven't eaten at all.
I'm fine.
It's an interesting diet.
eddie bravo
I hope it isn't bullshit.
joe rogan
No, it's definitely not bullshit.
eddie bravo
I was never a morning person either.
brendan schaub
I never really looked forward to breakfast.
eddie bravo
I'd have a protein bar or something just because I had to.
joe rogan
Did you ever listen to my podcast I did with Dom D'Agostino?
He's a scientist from, I think he's University of Florida, but a ketogenic specialist.
Does a lot of keto research and research on fasting and the benefits of fasting.
He goes into the scientific benefits, the proven benefits of fasting.
Very, very interesting stuff.
brendan schaub
What were the most...
joe rogan
I would really want to direct you to that.
I don't want to fuck it up.
But it's for prevention of cancer.
Really?
Yeah, ketone bodies in the blood increase, cognitive improvements.
I just think we eat too much.
I just think we eat too much.
We eat all the time.
It's so easy.
I like watching TV and snacking.
unidentified
I like to watch a little Netflix and have some snacks.
joe rogan
We all do.
But if I'm watching Netflix and it's 9 o'clock at night, I really shouldn't be eating anything.
brendan schaub
Isn't it weird that popcorn became the official food for watching movies?
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
I know.
It's loud, chewy and shit.
You can't hear a dialogue.
brendan schaub
No one says, hey dude, let's go get some popcorn.
No one ever looks for popcorn unless they're at the movies.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
It's the only time it's for the movies.
brendan schaub
It's not that good.
joe rogan
Maybe at Disneyland.
Because it's like, yeah, I forgot about popcorn.
Fucking buy that while I'm here too.
Other than that, like the circus.
brendan schaub
Just the movies, man.
Circus.
unidentified
Circus.
joe rogan
Circus got peanuts into the mix.
brendan schaub
Maybe there's something about the popcorn that's genetically modified and it helps with the brainwashing.
The popcorn opens you up.
joe rogan
It's microwave, dude.
That's what it is.
unidentified
They microwave the kernels and it fucks with your head, bro.
eddie bravo
Basically, microwaves just kill everything, right?
brendan schaub
When you microwave your food, you basically just don't have anything.
It's just like...
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Nothing survives a microwave, right?
brendan schaub
Isn't it crazy that we haven't really improved upon microwaves?
Like, they mastered that shit 40 years ago, and it's still the same goddamn microwaves.
joe rogan
You know what's really bad for you, and they're going to take out of microwave popcorn?
When you get microwave popcorn, there's fats in there that your body just doesn't know what the fuck to do with.
That's why those things can sit on a shelf for so long, those little packets.
Yeah.
I think, what is the toxic ingredient in microwave popcorn that they're eliminating?
It's hilarious.
They decided, oh, this shit kills you, but we're going to let you sell it for two more years.
They didn't just make it illegal.
They made a moratorium.
I think it's trans fats.
I think it just might be vegetable oil fats.
There's certain trans fats that your body's just like, what in the fuck is this non-food you're making me eat?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We were talking about delicious protein bars before the show that give you the most unbelievable farts.
That's how I know I shouldn't be eating something.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
If I'm eating something and I'm just lighting the inside of my car on fire, here it is.
Chemicals used in the lining of microwavable popcorn bags, including perfluorocatononic acid, or PFOA, are part of a class of compounds that may be linked to infertility in humans, according to a recent study from UCLA.
In animal testing, the chemicals cause liver cancer, testicular cancer, and pancreatic cancer.
So that's one thing, but I know that they ban trans fats.
I might have conflated the two stories.
Because the ban of trans fats is the one where they're giving them all the hostess cakes, those bullshit cakes that sit on the shelf forever.
brendan schaub
Ding-dongs are my favorite.
joe rogan
Those pie cakes that you get from hostess, like the lemon filling, those are just trans fats to the gills, son.
brendan schaub
The whole Twinkie myth that they last 20 years or whatever.
I mean, do people eat Twinkies still?
Who's eating Twinkies?
joe rogan
You and I were laying around, fucking bored, smoked a little weed, watching some TV, and I'm so hungry.
What do you got here, man?
And I opened up your cabinet, and you had like ringdings and Twinkies.
I might grab a Twinkie.
brendan schaub
Yeah, if I'm starving.
joe rogan
Just laying around, watching TV, chilling.
I might eat a Twinkie.
brendan schaub
Twinkies are like the worst wedding cake ever.
It's just...
joe rogan
Well, you know what I had last night?
I had strawberry shortcake.
U.S. popcorn makers could face long, expensive road to lose trans fats.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Okay, this is why I conflated it.
Microwave popcorn makers could face a long and difficult task, ridding their snacks of trans fats.
U.S. Food and Drug Administration proposal to ban the additive goes into effect.
So the U.S. is banning.
So the U.S. ban on trans fats is what I... What I got confused with.
brendan schaub
Isn't it crazy?
joe rogan
That U.S. ban on trans fats is like, they're giving these people like two years.
brendan schaub
Isn't it crazy that they're making a big deal out of this?
They're going after the trans fats, but they don't go after like real shit.
Like alcohol is like killing people all day, every day.
joe rogan
I know, right?
It's like you say, why don't you say, hey, this is going to kill you if you keep eating it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's awesome.
brendan schaub
But you're going after trans fats?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's like someone in the popcorn industry just pissed off in an Illuminati member going, you don't want to go after them.
And this is just like a smear campaign.
joe rogan
Well, trans fats, people need to know they're bad for you.
Once they know they're bad for you, should you be able to just take them?
brendan schaub
What about that one drug that everyone's getting addicted to that's legal?
joe rogan
Adderall?
eddie bravo
No, it's like heroin.
unidentified
It's...
joe rogan
Morphine?
Fentanyl?
brendan schaub
No, no.
eddie bravo
Methadone.
brendan schaub
Very popular prescription.
joe rogan
Oxycontin?
brendan schaub
Oxycontin.
unidentified
Oh.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Oxycontin for sure fucks your life up.
joe rogan
100%.
But if you have serious pain, it also alleviates pain.
And the thing is, can you just ride it for a few days?
brendan schaub
And they're going after trans fats here?
eddie bravo
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Let them have their popcorn.
brendan schaub
Fuck it.
eddie bravo
They're making news articles about it.
brendan schaub
We're going after trans fat.
What about the 800 kids that go missing every year?
eddie bravo
Why don't you go look for them?
joe rogan
Well, there's a different people.
brendan schaub
Go look for them.
joe rogan
Okay, that's true, but these are different people.
These are food scientists.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think the point is that this stuff, that there's other ways to make food.
But the thing is, I don't know.
What is the benefits of trans fats?
Does it make processing easier?
Why do they use that as opposed to other healthy fats?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know why.
eddie bravo
It probably has something to do with shelf life, maybe?
joe rogan
Yes, probably.
That's probably why it fucks you up, too.
You gotta think about what a preservative is, you know?
Like, someone was explaining...
Did you see What's Wrong With Wheat?
Or What's With Wheat?
Did you see that documentary?
brendan schaub
Maybe.
joe rogan
They were talking about Roundup and glyphosate.
They were talking about how Roundup, the stuff that they spray on some plants, that they said, well, don't worry, this only affects bacteria.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
In the 50s they said that.
joe rogan
Well, this is when they were creating it.
And this is one of the reasons why they allowed it to be used.
But what they were explaining in this documentary, I don't know if this is true or not, but what they were explaining was, yeah, you have bacteria in your body, dummy.
Like, you're taking this stuff into your body.
They didn't say it that way.
You have bacteria in your body.
You're taking the stuff into your body that only kills bacteria.
It's going to kill a part of your body.
Like, your body is partly bacteria.
In fact, there's more bacteria cells in your body than there are human cells.
Like, that's just a fact of being a person.
So this is a crazy thing that they don't know that.
And they either know it, and they did it anyway.
Or they didn't know that.
In which case, what you were saying earlier, they should have no business telling people what's the good science and the bad science.
If they allowed that to go through.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's another example of bad science.
joe rogan
Well, it's definitely an example of maybe they didn't know when they first came up with the stuff, but as technology has advanced, they haven't eliminated it.
brendan schaub
Either way, whether they didn't know or they did know and it was a diabolical plan, whatever it is, that science is bogus.
joe rogan
Yeah, but should you be allowed, like, we know Diet Coke's terrible for you.
Should you be allowed to sell Diet Coke?
Do most people know how bad Diet Coke is for you?
Or diet soda, I should say.
Do most people know?
Most people don't.
brendan schaub
Most people don't.
joe rogan
They don't know.
I'll have a Diet Coke every now and again.
Once a month or so.
I'll have a Diet Coke.
brendan schaub
I've been pretty good at keeping sodas out in my life.
I discovered the Pellegrino.
joe rogan
Pellegrino is great.
brendan schaub
Just water with a little sparkles in it.
I love it.
I used to struggle with being at a restaurant and struggling with, should I just drink water or can I get a fucking, I'm gonna have a Coke and then I have two Cokes and then I feel guilty all night.
That struggle went on my whole life.
joe rogan
Dude, I've been drinking way too much water lately.
eddie bravo
But Pellegrino?
The Pellegrino, that Imperier, that satisfies me enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, Zevia is a good one, too.
And there's a couple other, like, flavored waters.
They're like more mild.
brendan schaub
Is carbonated water...
joe rogan
Lacroix?
brendan schaub
Is Pellegrino and carbonated water, is that bad for you?
eddie bravo
Is it going to come out that we get cancer from that?
brendan schaub
Are the bubbles fucking me up?
They are.
jamie vernon
What?
The soda's not good for your teeth.
brendan schaub
What do they do?
joe rogan
The bubbles are?
jamie vernon
It's just as bad as soda water is.
I mean, it's just not good for your teeth.
brendan schaub
It is soda water.
eddie bravo
I mean, isn't Pellegrino soda water?
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
Carbonated water is bad for your teeth?
jamie vernon
In mass amounts, I mean like one or two probably not a bad thing.
brendan schaub
But what about once it gets in your stomach, do the bubbles like fuck you up?
joe rogan
Illuminati, bro, they're all ideas.
Those ideas in those bubbles are getting you to buy into bonds.
brendan schaub
Who knows?
eddie bravo
Maybe they find out that the bubbles in your system do something bad for you.
brendan schaub
Right?
eddie bravo
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
I hope not.
joe rogan
Shit.
eddie bravo
I hope it's completely benign.
joe rogan
I think we have heard about it.
brendan schaub
I drink the shit out of it.
joe rogan
I do too.
Here, along as it's plain carbonated water with no added citric acid or sugar, the answer is no.
The process of carbonation is a simple addition of pasteurized, pressurized carbon dioxide gas into plain water.
Acid, sugars, and salt are not being added.
It's the addition of those ingredients that ups your risk for tooth decay.
So, no harm at all.
So it's just carbonated water is just carbon dioxide gas.
brendan schaub
Or maybe that's an Illuminati.
joe rogan
Dude, stop freaking me out, man!
Did you know that funguses, like mushrooms, they breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide like we do?
brendan schaub
Does that make it good?
joe rogan
It's like an animal, more than it is like a plant.
They're closer to animals than they are to plants.
brendan schaub
Fungus.
joe rogan
Yeah, fungus are like an animal almost.
Not really because it doesn't move.
I mean, but it's closer to the animal kingdom.
brendan schaub
Ringer moves.
joe rogan
It gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
brendan schaub
Fuck that fungus.
joe rogan
That's the worst, man.
That's the worst.
But, like, mushrooms are, um, they're some sort of other thing.
They're not a plant.
Fungus is a different kind of thing.
Dun, dun, dun.
It's from another fucking planet, man.
That's what I think.
brendan schaub
You think...
Mushrooms aren't legal, right?
There's not recreational mushrooms, right?
joe rogan
It's on the ballot for 2018. That's coming?
California.
eddie bravo
Any states already legalized mushrooms?
joe rogan
No, but they should.
They should do it the same way they do what they're going to eventually do with MDMA. Look, mushrooms are great.
So MDMA is in the process, right?
Do you remember the first time you and I did mushrooms?
brendan schaub
You were living at your old house?
joe rogan
We were chilling in the backyard, dude.
brendan schaub
We didn't do that much, though.
joe rogan
We were just talking about life.
eddie bravo
Yeah, we didn't.
joe rogan
It wasn't that much.
It was a small dose.
But it was enough to go, whoa.
It just gave me a better perspective.
It just opened up my mind to that I was relying on all the patterns that had been explained to me about life to be correct.
Instead of looking at it with fresh eyes.
I felt like at 30 years old, it was the first time I was able to look at my life with fresh eyes.
Look at life itself and go, oh, this is just this weird, temporary experience.
brendan schaub
You could see it in your comedy, too.
Your comedy just, you know, from the early Joe Rogan, like your first CD, Someday I'm Gonna Be Dead, right?
joe rogan
I'm Gonna Be Dead Someday.
brendan schaub
I'm Gonna Be Dead Someday.
From that comedy to once you started getting into psychedelics, big old difference.
joe rogan
Yeah, it changes who you are.
Well, it also makes you super humble.
Because even if I don't appear humble, when you get hit by that big dose, whatever it is, DMT or whatever you do, when you get hit by that dose, you realize you're just a part.
You're not the big thing.
You're just a part of something that is indescribably big.
And the idea that you're important or that you're the most significant thing around you is pretty ridiculous.
You got to do your best to keep your body alive and do your best to do your part and whatever the fuck you do for a living do your best at that but You're just a part of something that's infinite.
brendan schaub
Did your experience with mushrooms and DMT did that make you think?
joe rogan
There's got to be a creator to all this Not that there's a creator like a guy in a lab that's like making a person inside of a fucking test tube or some shit.
Not a creator in the sense of an individual, but I think that the idea of an individual became more ridiculous than anything.
It's like I understand that like what we are is almost like something filtered through these predetermined, like almost like we're a membrane, like something from another dimension Expresses itself through this physical membrane, and then we're almost like the barrier to what comes out on the other side.
This is the thought that I had when I was on mushrooms.
That what we are as a person is almost like the carrier, like a vehicle for whatever a soul is.
And this thing uses this life to pass that that thing through on to another experience that happens in the next dimension that'll be so fucking alien that you can't even imagine it today in this dimension and this dimension would be alien to that dimension that it was just this never-ending infinite process of soul traveling I had this very bizarre like thought about like if you like people will often say like if you had to live your life over again you were born again tomorrow you got to do it all over again could
you do it you'd be like what Oh my god, I gotta start over from scratch?
I gotta be a baby again?
And rely on those same fucking people again?
Oh my god, I gotta go back to first grade?
That was terrible!
And that's when my parents broke up.
And people start freaking out and thinking, but you already did it.
You already did it.
What if you have to do it forever?
Could you do it forever?
Forever and ever and ever.
Over and over and over and over and over again.
Could you do that?
eddie bravo
Like reincarnation?
joe rogan
You might be doing that.
That is just as possible.
What hit me is it's just as possible that you've lived this life an infinite number of times.
And you will continue to live this life an infinite number of times.
eddie bravo
And when you do, maybe...
brendan schaub
So you're saying there's a possibility that we have some kind of soul type thing, right?
joe rogan
I think there's a possibility that you're on a loop.
Just like those YouTube videos or those Instagram videos of Cyborg hitting that sweep.
We're on a life loop.
brendan schaub
So if there is a loop, and let's say either it's involuntary or voluntary, either you say, either when you die you wake up and you're like, whoa, that was an awesome ride, let's do it again, or it just happens automatically.
joe rogan
I don't think you get the choice.
eddie bravo
Either way, maybe you do, maybe you don't.
Some spiritual gurus say that yes, some souls choose to keep coming back, some stay in the infinite heavens forever or whatever.
And then come back every now and then.
brendan schaub
Who knows what's real?
But you're talking about there's some kind of soul thing and there's either...
You're saying that there's probably involuntary reincarnation of some sort, right?
eddie bravo
I think it's possible.
brendan schaub
Maybe either if you decide to come back, for sure, if that's the case...
eddie bravo
You would say, okay, I'm going back into that earth realm and you for sure don't want to know where you came from.
brendan schaub
It would seem, I'm guessing, that the beauty of life is after you die and you realize what the hell, oh, that's right.
eddie bravo
You don't want to know.
It's like watching a movie.
brendan schaub
Like the other day I watched a movie and I'm watching the trailer and 30 seconds into the trailer is unsaying the movie.
eddie bravo
30 seconds, I stopped it.
brendan schaub
Because I didn't want to watch the rest of the trailer because now, okay, I got enough.
I want to see this thing.
I didn't want to see more of the trailer because I wanted to go to the movie and be fooled.
eddie bravo
I didn't want to know what was going on.
brendan schaub
I wanted to be confused.
I didn't want to be able to figure something out from a trailer.
And most people are like that.
eddie bravo
I'm not special.
brendan schaub
Like if you went to a movie and you already saw it and your buddy didn't and you told him how it ended, he would sock you right in the chest.
What the fuck are you doing?
You just ruined the movie for me, you faggot.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Strong words.
brendan schaub
But I don't mean that in a homosexual way.
I'm sorry.
I'm just...
Trying to be funny, and I apologize to all gay people out there.
I apologize.
I love gay people.
I love gay people.
eddie bravo
That was just me trying to express an emotion.
brendan schaub
And no one's also at the same time going to go to a movie with you if you already saw it and say, dude, before it starts, tell me the whole movie.
joe rogan
I think a better analogy is that you never get a chance to see the future.
You're not going to get a chance to see the future once you're reborn again.
This life, when you come back, do you want to have a memory of your past?
brendan schaub
You don't.
joe rogan
You don't get a chance.
It's a part of the system, I think.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I think it's, whether it's voluntary or involuntary, it's best to not know where you came from at first.
brendan schaub
It's best to figure it out.
That's probably what this is all about, is figuring it out.
eddie bravo
Because when we go to the movie, part of it is, it's all about the journey.
It's not about the destination.
People always use that as, you know, on Instagram.
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
I thought about the journey or thought about the destination.
It's a journey.
eddie bravo
That's one of the most popular sayings ever, and it's beautiful.
brendan schaub
You have to say it every now and then to remind people.
joe rogan
Another thing to remind you, don't even think about it as a journey.
Just be in the moment.
Accept the moment and be in the moment.
Live in the moment.
Think about the We're good to go.
eddie bravo
Filled, you know, with chicks.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's what I was after my whole life.
They got me good.
eddie bravo
When I saw Kiss and I saw that shit, I'm like, I want that.
brendan schaub
I knew right when I saw Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park, 1978 on NBC, one of the worst movies of all time.
joe rogan
I remember that movie.
unidentified
Oh, it just blew me the fuck away.
joe rogan
It was a power outage when I went to see that movie.
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
I was watching at home, and the power went out, and I was devastated.
eddie bravo
And the weird thing about that era, it was 1978, and if you followed Kiss, if you were older, I was eight, and if you followed Kiss from 73 on, they already had their early cool years, and then after Kiss Alive, they had a few more awesome albums, and then they got to the point where they started doing disco, and that was 1978. That's when I got into them, when they started doing disco.
So I didn't even know what selling out was.
I just heard, I was made for loving you, and I loved it.
brendan schaub
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
I had no idea.
But, man, I don't even know what my fucking point was.
brendan schaub
What were we talking about?
joe rogan
I don't remember either.
The point was you're never going to get to know what the future holds.
You're just going to be living your life, and that's how it is with everybody.
I don't remember what the fuck your point was.
eddie bravo
Oh, the rock star thing.
joe rogan
Oh, you wanted to be a rock star.
brendan schaub
They get you.
There's so many different ways they can, like, TV. You get yourself, too.
joe rogan
You've got to think about what you're exposed to.
eddie bravo
But look, it's like music videos.
brendan schaub
What they sell in music videos, they sell that.
eddie bravo
It's like they're offering it.
And a lot of those rappers that are flashing all the cash, it's not even their money.
It's not even their mansion.
But it's pushing that.
You want to do whatever it takes.
brendan schaub
Whatever it takes to make it.
I was so zeroed in on that.
You know me up until a few years ago.
eddie bravo
I was just zeroed in on it.
brendan schaub
Then I began to realize, wow, they got me real goddamn good.
You know, I was obsessed with some, an illusion.
Fame is an illusion.
joe rogan
Well, you're obsessed with the destination instead of the journey, right?
eddie bravo
Well, I enjoyed the journey, but it was like...
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
You're obsessed with it.
eddie bravo
It was all about conquering the music business.
brendan schaub
That's all it was about.
eddie bravo
And it's not about that anymore, obviously.
brendan schaub
Thank God.
Thank God I sucked musically.
Because if I would have had a record deal in my 20s, shit, I would have did some crazy Illuminati shit back then.
I would have did whatever.
unidentified
Illuminati shit?
eddie bravo
Like, whatever.
I would have been to those parties with a crazy mask and been doing...
brendan schaub
I would do whatever.
I'm like, let's do it.
joe rogan
They have parties with the crazy masks.
brendan schaub
Eyes Wide Shut?
joe rogan
They just let you in.
brendan schaub
You don't think Eyes Wide Shut is real?
joe rogan
All you have to do is have a hit album.
They're like, hey, Eddie Bravo.
brendan schaub
Eddie Bravo from Santa Ana.
joe rogan
Come on, California.
Come on down.
brendan schaub
Thank God my music sucked because I would have went along with all that shit in my 20s.
I was so obsessed.
I was so obsessed with making it into the music business, I would have done anything.
joe rogan
I know, but you wouldn't have done that.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You wouldn't have gone and partied with Jimmy Savile or whatever the fuck his name is.
eddie bravo
Dude, I would have been hanging out with whoever was famous, you know?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's like retirement is a lesser example of that.
People are always looking for those golden years.
One day I'm going to retire and we're going to be walking with our hands at the sunset.
Like, no, you're thinking about death then.
That's what happens.
Those people don't do shit anymore.
They don't have nothing to do.
You know, the only time you should think about retirement is if you have a job that you can retire and they pay you still.
And then you can go do whatever the fuck you want.
That's when you should be thinking about retirement.
But thinking about it is this time where finally we get to relax.
We put our feet up and then they turn you into Soylent Green.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That's what you were really aiming for.
brendan schaub
And everyone is working to get that vacation at some faraway beach where they can have a beer.
And the destination is that they go far away at least five to eight hours.
You can't just use the beaches you have here.
These beaches don't count.
They count for people on the East Coast.
They count because they come here.
eddie bravo
But you live here, so it doesn't count.
You got to get on a flight and go to a goddamn beach that looks just like Malibu.
joe rogan
Just like now.
brendan schaub
But you gotta travel.
joe rogan
Gotta go across the country.
brendan schaub
You gotta go.
You gotta go to Fiji.
joe rogan
Go over the ocean or go to Mexico.
unidentified
It's an illusion.
brendan schaub
Everyone's chasing that beach.
And then what are you gonna do on that beach?
The first thing you're gonna do is check to see if there's internet.
That's the first fucking thing you're gonna do.
eddie bravo
Right?
brendan schaub
It's an illusion.
And then every time you go to the airport, you see that picture of like some dude just laying there on some deserted beach.
eddie bravo
Like that's even possible.
brendan schaub
I thought that was possible.
joe rogan
Where's the beach that's deserted?
eddie bravo
Like you have your own deserted beach.
You don't see that off camera, out of the frame of the picture, is a bunch of people trying to sell you an inner tube and some people trying to rip you off and sell you shit.
brendan schaub
They don't show that part.
They just show your feet.
They show your feet in a beer.
joe rogan
If you have a perfect beach like that, you're going to sell it to a bunch of people.
It's not just going to be this one dude.
Unless you're one of those Richard Branson guys.
That's when you go full ball or you got your own beach.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
Yes, yes.
eddie bravo
What?
brendan schaub
Those only exist for Jay-Z. You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
You got to buy an island.
joe rogan
Well, those Richard Branson type dudes or Tyler Perry.
He's got an island.
eddie bravo
Man, it just seems like these vacations are all like rip-offs.
brendan schaub
I remember me and my wife went to Cabo San Lucas and we looked at the package and like, oh shit, let's get this resort.
There's five different restaurants.
Amazing, all-inclusive.
This is amazing.
eddie bravo
You get there and it's the same kitchen, five different restaurants, but only one is open at a time.
They just take different shifts and it's the same waiters, the same food.
joe rogan
Oh, you went to a bonk-ass place.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
I gotta send you to good places.
There's some good places you can go.
There's a good place in Cabo.
It's called the one and only Parmia.
brendan schaub
I'll never go back there ever again.
joe rogan
Cabo's amazing.
I love it.
brendan schaub
Oh, man.
eddie bravo
When you land there, everyone's trying to rip you off.
joe rogan
They're throwing up.
Yeah, that happens.
What about Hawaii?
Do you like Hawaii?
brendan schaub
If someone gave me a non-stop first-class ticket to Hawaii and a five-star hotel for two weeks, I wouldn't go.
joe rogan
Why not?
brendan schaub
I've traveled so much, it's an illusion to me.
joe rogan
Oh, I see what you're saying.
All my shit is at home.
eddie bravo
I want to sit in my house and look out the window and go, fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
I want to chill.
I want to be with my family.
I want to be with my son.
It's an illusion.
I'm going to travel with my family for them, but I've traveled so much, to me it's an illusion.
I've never been to a place where I was pissed that I was leaving.
I was always ready to go.
eddie bravo
Like, dude, you want to change our flights and leave early?
brendan schaub
Shit, when we went to Cabo, we changed our flights and left early.
joe rogan
Wow.
eddie bravo
Like, what are you gonna sit on a beach?
brendan schaub
We got that right here.
We go to Santa Monica.
We got a free vacation.
Me and my family get hotels because my son loves hotels.
eddie bravo
We just get a hotel in Burbank.
Like a VIP hotel in Burbank where you got like this gigantic room and we stay there for a day.
joe rogan
You gotta just do, we'll talk after the podcast.
Just do vacations the right way.
There's ways that you could do, go ziplining in Costa Rica, go to the rainforest.
brendan schaub
Dude, I got tricked into going to Costa Rica.
eddie bravo
I told you that story.
brendan schaub
I'll never go to Costa Rica ever again, okay?
eddie bravo
Unless it's for a seminar.
brendan schaub
I'll go for a seminar, like a jiu-jitsu seminar, but I ain't trying to go to the jungle or anything like that.
Fuck that shit.
joe rogan
We gotta wrap this up because I'm gonna piss my pants.
I've been drinking too much water.
brendan schaub
Can I throw a plug down?
joe rogan
Yes.
Fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
Me and Sam Tripoli are doing tinfoil hat comedy in San Francisco at Cobbs June 1st and June 2nd at the Punchline in Sacramento.
joe rogan
Thanks for the shirt.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
Combat Jiu-Jitsu, baby.
joe rogan
Combat Jiu-Jitsu Worlds, Eddie Bravo's birth child.
Along with EBI, the EBI Invitational.
Best fucking Jiu-Jitsu tournament in the world.
But this, this is the shit.
Combat Jiu-Jitsu, we've talked about it a million times.
This is going to change Jiu-Jitsu.
Make it much more applicable to MMA. Positions on the ground where dudes are allowed to bitch slap you.
It's strong.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's crazy.
People love it.
joe rogan
It's great.
brendan schaub
It's super exciting.
It's the fastest rising video ever on my YouTube channel.
It got to 300,000 views in a month.
joe rogan
It's next level.
eddie bravo
None of my other videos get that kind of views.
brendan schaub
It was crazy.
joe rogan
It's next level and it shows these positions where the vulnerabilities are.
So it's like a real good first step in MMA. I like it a lot.
brendan schaub
Boogie is fighting Wagner Rocha for the Combat Jiu-Jitsu World Championship at EBI. The next EBI, which is in San Diego, June 24th.
It's a 16-woman tournament.
The Combat Jiu Jitsu World Championship of Boogie against Wagner Rocha.
eddie bravo
And we got amazing women.
We got all ADCC IBJJF champions.
brendan schaub
Bia Basilio, she's the best chick out there.
Bia Mesquita, she's right there at the top.
joe rogan
So one more time, the date and what's the website?
eddie bravo
You can watch it on UFC Fight Pass.
brendan schaub
It's going to be at, or pay-per-view, inchbyinch.tv, June 24th, Sunday, June 24th, in San Diego.
Tickets go on sale in a couple weeks.
It's going to be amazing.
joe rogan
All right.
That's it.
Bye, everybody.
See you tomorrow.
unidentified
See ya.
joe rogan
Cool.
eddie bravo
Thank you.
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