March 5, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| How long is it going to take me to get to LAX and what time should I be there? | ||
| If you leave at 2, you have no problems at all. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No problems. | ||
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Cool. | |
| If you leave at 2, you're just going to coast in. | ||
| Are we live? | ||
| We're trying to figure out LA traffic, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| You've got to plan for that shit. | ||
| You do, man. | ||
| Like a natural disaster. | ||
| In many ways, they're very similar. | ||
| When I moved to Colorado for just a few months and then came back here, it was instantaneous, like the recognition of what effect it has on me. | ||
| There's so many people. | ||
| You're driving, it's like... | ||
| When you go somewhere where there's very few people, there's a real feeling of relaxation. | ||
| Like, it's legitimate. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost like if you could buy that, Like, yeah, man, I'm taking this gum that puts you in, like, a small-town feel. | ||
| Like, woodsy, Colorado feel, going through Evergreen, looking at the mountains. | ||
| Well, you can buy that. | ||
| You just have to get out of California. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But I was just thinking if you had a pill. | ||
| A pill that did that? | ||
| That would be a really expensive pill. | ||
| Or a patch or some gum. | ||
| You know, like nicotine gum. | ||
| Some, you know, peace and quiet gum. | ||
| Transport you to the wilderness. | ||
| How much would people pay for that? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, think about the people that buy Xanax and shit and just anything. | ||
| Just take a little bit of the edge off. | ||
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Just take this edge off. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I would probably just buy it and smoke it. | ||
| Yeah, and smoke the shit out of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then you'd be happy living in downtown LA in some graffiti-covered building and hearing the horns go off constantly. | ||
| I love the weather here. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I think that's why I have to come out for work or anything else. | ||
| Never mind, because every day it's perfect. | ||
| Except I've been here for like four days and it's raining most of the time, so it's my luck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The traffic, man, I think you just sort of accept that you're going to live in your car, right? | ||
| You're going to be in your car a lot. | ||
| So everybody has nice cars. | ||
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That's why everybody drives nice cars in LA. It's also because we're all really, really shallow. | |
| We want to show everybody. | ||
| Like, look what I got. | ||
| Bitch! | ||
| You know? | ||
| There's a lot of that. | ||
| I like cars. | ||
| I do too. | ||
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It's okay. | |
| I think about your song, When I Drive My Bronco. | ||
| You got a really nice Bronco. | ||
| I unfortunately no longer have a Bronco. | ||
| You need a Bronco in your life, man. | ||
| Yeah, but then I'd have a second car. | ||
| It took me five years just to buy my first car. | ||
| Yeah, you're one of the minimalist type characters who doesn't want to admit they're successful. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| No, I got no problem admitting that. | ||
| I think it's from living out of a bag most of my adult life. | ||
| I had one guitar for the first two or three years I was on the road. | ||
| And then one day you wake up and you have five guitars now. | ||
| Do you have a thing where you're trying to make your guitars? | ||
| I don't really need all these guitars. | ||
| Maybe two guitars is good. | ||
| But I feel like guitar makers must want to get you a guitar. | ||
| Does that happen with musicians? | ||
| Yeah, actually, I got one Martin made for me, and that's kind of an honor, obviously. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, an old, really old, historic legacy company. | ||
| Yeah, your buddies build them and that kind of... | ||
| Most I've always made my own out of parts. | ||
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Really? | |
| At least telecasters and stuff. | ||
| You can buy parts and assemble them just as good as anything coming out of what a custom shop might be for a fraction of the cost. | ||
| Wow, I didn't know that was a thing. | ||
| And maybe even build an instrument that is more comfortable to play because you're building to the exact specifics that maybe somebody doesn't mass manufacture. | ||
| Well, I guess if you know guitars as well as you know them and you've been around them your whole life, that totally makes sense. | ||
| Like, it's wood and parts, right? | ||
| A telecaster is basically this table bolted to a baseball bat cut in half. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's hard to fuck that up. | ||
| So the rest of it is just electronics and the pickups have a lot. | ||
| And anything outside of that is just your fingers and who's actually holding the thing. | ||
| But to build one is not that complicated. | ||
| No, Les Paul or a Martin acoustic guitar, that's literally like a hand-shaped piece of work that has to be made from start to finish, whereas the guitars I'm talking about building, you're just assembling. | ||
| There's like parts that are... | ||
| Widely accessible. | ||
| I have a buddy that's a classical guitarist. | ||
| That's an art. | ||
| That's a whole other thing. | ||
| He always had his nails grow long when he'd do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Dmitry, shout out to my friend Dmitry Duchenko. | ||
| He had to tape over his fingernails like when he did jiu-jitsu because he had claws. | ||
| He didn't claw bitches eyes out. | ||
| He had claw motherfuckers. | ||
| I mean, he had ridiculous long nails and powerful nails too because... | ||
| He strummed with his nails. | ||
| Like, that's what he did. | ||
| Like, he did everything he did with his fingers. | ||
| He's amazing at it. | ||
| I mean, just freaky amazing. | ||
| You'd watch him play, and he'd be like, holy shit! | ||
| You know, saw him play live a bunch of times, and he would do, like, people would hire him to do, like, parties and shit. | ||
| But it's, like, it's an art form that... | ||
| For whatever reason, I don't think it's the kind of respect that it deserves. | ||
| No, flamenco and classical guitar players, that's a highly complex musicianship. | ||
| Yeah, and so he would always explain to me guitars, like how they were constructed. | ||
| And it's amazing to me that there he is. | ||
| That's Dimitri. | ||
| That dude was the heavyweight on the Taekwondo team that I was on when I was like a lightweight. | ||
| I was like 155 pounds and he was fighting heavyweight. | ||
| That dude used to fuck people up. | ||
| He's got those crazy Ukrainian genes where he's just got giant hammers. | ||
| He's chicken picking there. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| Oh, he's a bad motherfucker. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now, I don't know shit about guitar. | ||
| I know it sounds awesome, and I know that sounds awesome, but to you, as a person who plays guitar... | ||
| That's country guitar. | ||
| That's what we call chicken picking. | ||
| What he's doing on that classical guitar is pretty cool. | ||
| He might as well be on Lower Broadway right now. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, right? | ||
| Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And was Massachusetts state taekwondo heavyweight champion. | ||
| He also doesn't make silly faces. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| He went on to compete after I stopped competing. | ||
| He competed at a really high level nationally. | ||
| Like, fought in some big national tournaments. | ||
| So when he puts that guitar down, he's still a bad motherfucker. | ||
| That's a legit bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a big boy, too. | ||
| Like, he's a natural 220. Like, the big Ukrainian rock people. | ||
| They're just thicker people. | ||
| They're rock people. | ||
| They can pick rocks up and shit. | ||
| Then on top of that, unbelievable guitarist. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| How do you know him? | ||
| We used to do Taekwondo together when we were kids. | ||
| We started out together. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I think he's a year younger than me. | ||
| So I think I was like 15 or 16 when we met. | ||
| And he was like 14? | ||
| Was he like 8 hours a day sitting at home with his guitar? | ||
| It's fucking discipline, man. | ||
| I don't know if it's discipline so much as... | ||
| I think everybody that plays music and that really gets into it that heavily, it's an OCD. You have to have a level of spectrum or to sit and just do the same thing over and over repetitively 8-10 hours a day. | ||
| Especially as a kid, when you're really learning, when it gets you and you hook into it, it's like this other thing that nobody else can be a part of. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| As an outsider, I get it. | ||
| It's like, you can do something. | ||
| And once you start doing it, it must feel amazing to be doing it well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| Well, I mean, I played soccer and stuff when I was a kid, but it was always like... | ||
| I never was one of those guys that... | ||
| The team thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was always just, like, introverted and didn't... | ||
| And so when I found... | ||
| Really found guitar and got into it, I was like, oh, this is something I can... | ||
| It's not a competition. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| You know, other than what you're pushing yourself to learn, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, you don't have to rely on other people's personalities or... | ||
| Well, that's what bands are for, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I always thought about bands. | ||
| Like, that's got to be the hardest part. | ||
| Is everybody just being cool? | ||
| Typically that's... | ||
| A bunch of crazy artists? | ||
| Well, yeah, especially... | ||
| I mean, it's really all about the hang, more than anything. | ||
| I got me and three other guys in my band now, and it's like, everybody's a great hang. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Everybody gets along, and we're actually friends, and you go out every night, and we're just like, you know. | ||
| Yeah, if you could pull that off. | ||
| And it makes the road better. | ||
| When I go on the road, I bring Ian Edwards or Tony Hinchcliffe or any of my other friends that can do it. | ||
| Whether they're free that weekend, that's usually how I book it. | ||
| Yeah, because you're going to be around these people for weeks, man. | ||
| Oh man, we have the best time. | ||
| I don't do weeks. | ||
| I just do a couple days at a time. | ||
| I never go on the road for more than a Thursday, Friday, Saturday anymore. | ||
| Weekend Warrior? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I only do it twice a week. | ||
| Is that because of the kids and just being home? | ||
| Yeah, I like being home. | ||
| And also because I can practice... | ||
| Travel makes you old? | ||
| Well, it's just not good for you. | ||
| It's just not good for you. | ||
| So it's all those things. | ||
| I like being around my family. | ||
| I like being at home. | ||
| I like being around my friends. | ||
| And also, I just don't think it's a healthy thing. | ||
| I think travel on occasion is okay, but I think once you start getting into every weekend flying, I've heard of people doing that, and I'm like, you're beating your body up. | ||
| There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| Well, it's one of the best things about certainly my job and your job. | ||
| You get to go out and perform and entertain, but since things sort of took off, For me, I realized very early on, I get paid to travel. | ||
| The shows are free. | ||
| That shit's fun. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We're out there doing what we love to do, but it's all the in-between and the beat down your body takes and being out of any kind of routine and away from your family. | ||
| That's really the thing. | ||
| You come off for four or five weeks straight of that. | ||
| I'm a pretty healthy 39-year-old dude, and it takes me four or five days just to get off the fucking couch after a month-long run. | ||
| And my wife, she finally started to understand. | ||
| It's because you're... | ||
| The travel, you know, it's a different kind of exhaustion you can't really articulate, I think. | ||
| There's the travel, there's the sleeping, because usually you got to get, if you're doing every day too, are you bussing it or are you flying? | ||
| We're on buses mostly, unless it's like, the logistics is just crazy, but you know, you still got to be there, so you might bus part of it, and then one night you're flying everybody, or a red hour the next morning, do that thing and then get back to the bus or meet up with the bus. | ||
| What helps me is cardio. | ||
| Whenever I go to a place, I don't want to. | ||
| I feel like shit. | ||
| I'm like, ugh, fucking tired. | ||
| But if I could just force myself to get to the gym and just do 45 minutes on an elliptical machine, just that 45 minutes out of the day. | ||
| That's what I'm doing, period. | ||
| Nothing else. | ||
| Put the headphones on, listen to a podcast, and just get that 45 minutes of cardio, and then I'm good. | ||
| Then I'm straight. | ||
| Then everything levels out. | ||
| But if I don't do that, if I don't do that every couple of days at least, I just feel worn out. | ||
| I think it's also an endorphin imbalance. | ||
| My buddy Bobby that plays organ, he works out like a madman. | ||
| It's kind of insane you guys would get along. | ||
| I think a lot of it is to balance out You know, just energy. | ||
| Because every night we get two hours of cardio on stage and just massive adrenaline blast, especially when it really locks in and there's all this energy just slamming you in the face. | ||
| And then you walk off stage and it takes like four or five hours to come down from that every night. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then so, you know, the next day now you're... | ||
| Shit has to be off balance naturally, you know what I mean? | ||
| Just like you just had this massive blast of all these chemicals that your brain's pumping out, endorphins, and now the next day you're just like waking up trying to figure out where to take a shit and get a cup of coffee and is there a shower today? | ||
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And it gets weird when you do a bunch of them in a row, right? | |
| Like how often you wake up and stare at the ceiling not exactly remembering what town you're in. | ||
| That never happens. | ||
| It never happens? | ||
| I'm always staying a week or two. | ||
| It's the adventure, the journey, so to speak. | ||
| I do wake up sometimes and just sort of... | ||
| Well, honestly, it's bittersweet because the longer you're out, the more you're playing and the better the music gets. | ||
| So, you know, by the last show, there's always this really like, man, you know, I'm exhausted. | ||
| I really want to go home, but I can't believe we've got to take a break now because everything just got super greasy, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's different every night, but you just, the chemistry and everything, and you lock in and you kind of get in that head. | ||
| Yeah, I could imagine. | ||
| A comedy is very similar. | ||
| It's very similar when you're doing a long stretch. | ||
| I only did it once with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron. | ||
| We did this little tour together. | ||
| It's the only time I've done 30 days where I did 22 dates, where I was just constantly out. | ||
| I was only home for a day or two, and then I was back out again. | ||
| But you get in that groove. | ||
| You just get relaxed. | ||
| You've been doing it a lot. | ||
| You feel it. | ||
| You get on this non-existent clock. | ||
| It's a routine of no routine is how I describe it. | ||
| Every day is the same but completely different. | ||
| But I don't mind it, man. | ||
| A lot of times it feels like I'm just back in the Navy because we still sleep in bunks on the bus. | ||
| We'd go out to sea for like 90 days and shit. | ||
| That was... | ||
| That's probably way better for you psychologically when you go on stage than if you're staying in some giant suite when you're walking around the suite and you get grapes on a plate. | ||
| I can't do the hotel rooms. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| When you start out and you start going on, you play festivals or shows with your heroes and they're on buses before you are and you go on and you talk to these guys and you realize they live in this thing. | ||
| They're institutionalized in the back of this bus and they never get off the bus. | ||
| You're like, I don't get it. | ||
| And then it happens to you, and you realize that that's like this little safe space. | ||
| Like a hotel room, overnight, for me, I'll go crazy waiting for a show. | ||
| You're like caged up in this little box, you know, with cable TV and nobody to talk to. | ||
| I got soured on buses when they pulled over Willie and arrested him for weed on his bus. | ||
| That guy should have been demoted, man. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You got Willie on a pot charge? | ||
| Good for you, Sherlock. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Whoever you are. | ||
| There's things you just gotta let slide. | ||
| I was in Texas, too, right? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Texas doesn't play when it comes to weed, unfortunately. | ||
| It's really silly. | ||
| If it did, it would change Texas. | ||
| It'd make it better. | ||
| I could relax some of those fucking cowboys. | ||
| Settle down. | ||
| And why are you saying it shouldn't be legal, stupid? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| The fact that that's still an argument in 2018. You know what they said? | ||
| Here's a funny one. | ||
| One of the most recent arguments that I read was that more pedestrians were walking out into traffic because of legal weed and dying. | ||
| So, like, there's been an uptick everywhere. | ||
| I shouldn't laugh at that. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| It could be me. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It could be me. | ||
| Why am I laughing? | ||
| It was almost me this morning. | ||
| I'm an asshole. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| But I thought it was pretty funny. | ||
| This idea that there's an uptick in people just walking out into cars. | ||
| Getting hit by cars. | ||
| Because they're just spacing out because they're high. | ||
| I think it should be legal just because I'm from Kentucky, and if they gave all those farmers and ex-coal industry employees an industry that would really thrive, since it grows extremely well in Kentucky, instead of soybeans and tobacco, those guys could actually generate an income. | ||
| What do you think is holding it back? | ||
| For their family, community, politics. | ||
| Actually, that's not true. | ||
| Mitch McConnell, or somebody, some really staunch right-wing guy in Kentucky came out and was even pushing for legislation towards at least the hemp industry, which would be incredible. | ||
| Yeah, the hemp industry is a no-brainer. | ||
| You can look at the tax numbers alone. | ||
| Well, you know, we buy hemp for Onnit, and for the longest time, we'd have to buy it in Canada. | ||
| Because you couldn't get it in the United States, because until recently it wasn't legal to grow. | ||
| And so to get like the best stuff that has the highest protein content, we'd have to fucking ship it in from Canada. | ||
| You can't even grow it here. | ||
| Now you can. | ||
| But when, I mean, when did we start on it? | ||
| That's not that long ago. | ||
| I want to say like seven years ago, something like that. | ||
| So that was like one of the first things that we did, is make a really good hemp protein powder. | ||
| And when we were looking into it, we were like, I can't even believe that you can't grow this. | ||
| It doesn't do anything to your consciousness. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| It doesn't affect you at all. | ||
| Because it's related to pot, it's illegal. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| The National Hemp Museum is in Versailles, Kentucky. | ||
| Is it really? | ||
| Where I graduated high school. | ||
| Woodford County, Kentucky was at one point the largest hemp-producing county in the entire nation. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| I don't know, something about the limestone, the soil conditions, the humidity, the sunlight. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Pot and hemp grows really, really well. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The first legal 500-acre hemp farm in Kentucky unveiled. | ||
| So now it's legal? | ||
| In October. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So now they can grow it. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| I don't live there anymore, so I'm out of touch. | ||
| But hey, that's great news. | ||
| That's fantastic news. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| What were you just talking about something that I was going to bring up? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| Something about new... | ||
| Mr. Nelson. | ||
| Something new stuff that had to do with legalization. | ||
| Marijuana in Kentucky, we were just talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just pretty crazy that you'd have a hemp museum and have it be illegal for so long with no argument. | ||
| There's no science. | ||
| It doesn't pollute anything. | ||
| It doesn't do anything to the environment. | ||
| The nation was basically built on it. | ||
| Everything was made out of that shit. | ||
| Did you ever see the first Henry Ford Model T where he made the fenders out of hemp and he's hitting it with a hammer? | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Dude, you gotta watch this. | ||
| We'll play this for you. | ||
| It's the craziest shit ever. | ||
| Henry Ford's very first car that he made, he made the fenders out of hemp. | ||
| And you're watching him hit this fucking fender with a hammer and the hammer is just bouncing off the fender. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| When was this? | ||
| What did it say, Jamie? | ||
| What was the time it said there? | ||
| It was 1941. 1941. So in 1941, before it was illegal, so it was made illegal right around the time where alcohol prohibition had ended, and they needed something to go after. | ||
| So then they started using the same guys to go after weed. | ||
| And this was pre that. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| He's hitting this fucking thing with the back of an axe, and it's just bouncing off. | ||
| It was also a great way to discriminate against Mexican immigrants. | ||
| It was. | ||
| And black people, too. | ||
| The whole name, marijuana, came from a Mexican slang for wild tobacco. | ||
| Didn't have anything to do with marijuana. | ||
| They just created this thing. | ||
| Like, when they made it illegal, the people that were, they didn't even understand they were making hemp illegal. | ||
| They had to explain it to everybody. | ||
| And they had, like, tax stamps that you had. | ||
| I bet DuPont understood that, though. | ||
| Oh, they understood the fuck out of it. | ||
| So did William Randolph Hearst. | ||
| That guy was the craziest. | ||
| The guy who Citizen Kane was based on? | ||
| Rosebud. | ||
| That guy was the craziest. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| This guy's hitting this hemp fender with a fucking hammer. | ||
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Henry Rollins testing it. | |
| Henry Rollins, goddammit. | ||
| Look, you barely smudged the thing. | ||
| I mean, they're so superior to metal. | ||
| And it's easy. | ||
| It's a renewable resource. | ||
| We've fucked this up so bad. | ||
| It's so obvious. | ||
| It's one of the biggest examples. | ||
| People say, why do you drone on about pot all the time? | ||
| It's because these things like that are one of the biggest examples of just how egregious Making it illegal is. | ||
| It's one of the most amazing plants we've ever discovered. | ||
| You can make your house out of it. | ||
| You can fucking eat at it. | ||
| You can get high with it. | ||
| You can make your clothes with it. | ||
| It has all the amino acids you could use for heating oil. | ||
| What? | ||
| You can treat cancer patients. | ||
| You can treat cancer patients with it. | ||
| Somebody put it here. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Right? | ||
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It helps reduce tumor size. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| Helps a host of different diseases. | ||
| I know a lot of people that have, like, serious inflammation problems. | ||
| They smoke some weed and they're alright. | ||
| Just lightens everything up. | ||
| And it's illegal. | ||
| And you can grow it. | ||
| You can grow your own. | ||
| You can grow a shit ton of it in your backyard. | ||
| Anybody could. | ||
| Do you have a sprinkler? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You got some good dirt? | ||
| Alright. | ||
| You got some weed. | ||
| That weed's just good to go. | ||
| That's a fucking hardy-ass plant. | ||
| Yeah, my grandmother... | ||
| She just had some health stuff, and it's like, you know, how do I... She's pretty old school. | ||
| Knowing there's this thing out there that isn't anything that these doctors are going to offer her that's just going to make her feel awful or have to go through all of that. | ||
| If someone will just give you comfort or ease nausea or make you want to eat food or those kind of things, why wouldn't you want someone you love and care about to have that? | ||
| But then at the same time, you want to be the person trying to feed pot to your grandmother. | ||
| Yeah, it's a hard sell. | ||
| It's a hard sell. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
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stunning. | |
| How well propaganda from 1933 carried all the way the fuck to 2018. It's stunning. | ||
| Is it? | ||
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I mean... | |
| But it's almost 100 years. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| With what we... | ||
| Like, the amount of information that you can get on a subject now, like, say, if you're... | ||
| The medical benefits of cannabis. | ||
| Just Google that. | ||
| And you'll just start reading all the shit. | ||
| Like, it seems to me that enough people would go, wait, what are we doing? | ||
| Like, why is it illegal? | ||
| Nobody's died from it. | ||
| Like, no one. | ||
| More people die of aspirin every year. | ||
| Because zero died from pot, so it's really, the number is zero. | ||
| It doesn't mean that people aren't going to get high and walk into traffic. | ||
| Some are going to. | ||
| But I think part of that is because we're not teaching people how to get high properly. | ||
| If someone gets high for the first time, you let them take 10 hits. | ||
| I wonder how many of those people that are getting hit by cars are actually looking at their phones. | ||
| Could be a lot. | ||
| They were high and looking at their phones. | ||
| You don't see that here like you do in Nashville. | ||
| I drive around. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| I'm just driving around town. | ||
| Everybody's texting. | ||
| Everybody's looking down. | ||
| You can always spot them on the interstate. | ||
| Yep, weaving. | ||
| But you don't see that in California. | ||
| You guys have really heavy laws about it. | ||
| Saw it today. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Saw it today. | ||
| Some lady had drifted completely in my lane. | ||
| And I looked over at her, and I saw the back of her head, like, I was on her driver's side, I was on that side, looking over at her, and all I saw was the back of her head. | ||
| She literally was looking at my car, and she was just looking at her phone, and working her thumb, and occasionally, like, looking up at the screen, or looking up at the windshield. | ||
| It's like, whoa, you crazy lady. | ||
| You think just because you're going 40 miles an hour, that's okay, because you're on a side street? | ||
| Like, you're not even looking where you're going! | ||
| You're driving a car, what if you hit a kid? | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| What if you slam into some old lady? | ||
| You know? | ||
| What if you rear-end a bike? | ||
| You're not even looking. | ||
| You didn't even notice the bike was there. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| You run over some guy's leg. | ||
| What in the fuck, lady? | ||
| Or dude. | ||
| Maybe I was misgendering. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what her status is. | ||
| You gotta be real careful today, Sturgill. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Is it like that in Nashville? | ||
| Is everybody like super progressive? | ||
| I don't know, bro. | ||
| I don't leave the house. | ||
| I really don't have any idea. | ||
| I just sort of... | ||
| I think that's a good move. | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| I like my kids. | ||
| I mean, I'm somewhat aware of everything going on. | ||
| It's surprising that none of that's really hit the music business as hard as it is, but... | ||
| I try to just do my thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's a weird world we're living in today. | |
| I would like us to figure this out better. | ||
| I would like us to do just a little bit better job being nice to each other, getting our shit together. | ||
| It's a weird time. | ||
| It's real weird. | ||
| Everybody's looking to argue. | ||
| It's the strangest times in my lifetime, which isn't that long, but that I can recall. | ||
| I don't ever remember things ever being like whatever this is. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't mean that in any generalized middle of the road. | ||
| Just because at least like... | ||
| Crazy shit with superpowers talking about nuclear bombs all the time every day now. | ||
| And it's just like, how did we get back there? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, how did we get back to Putin telling us that he has some new nuclear missile that you can't defend against? | ||
| Yeah, did you see that shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 1500 meter tsunami wave of... | ||
| Apocalyptic death that thing could bomb out. | ||
| Yeah, why the fuck, man? | ||
| And we don't have a defense system that can deal with it. | ||
| So he's basically saying, I could kill you. | ||
| I have a gun pointed at your head, I could kill you. | ||
| Anytime. | ||
| Welcome to 2018. Oh yeah, Donald Trump's president. | ||
| I did that too, by the way. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It's definitely cause for concern. | ||
| All this while pot's illegal. | ||
| Pot's illegal, but it's legal to have a guy who is the host of The Apprentice run the nuclear armament. | ||
| Or armory. | ||
| You'd say armory, right? | ||
| You know, I got in some trouble a few months ago because I did this... | ||
| I had nothing to do one night, and I went down. | ||
| The whole thing was just a protest kind of based on answering questions. | ||
| That's just the promise I made. | ||
| This buddy of mine, he videotaped it, and he had a press pass, so they couldn't tell us to turn the camera off. | ||
| Somebody asked me, what do you think about Trump? | ||
| And I answered it. | ||
| What they didn't ask, what do you think of all politicians? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| To me, nothing ever really changes. | ||
| Right, left, this or that. | ||
| It's all just sort of a different version of the people you never really see. | ||
| We can't have an alpha chimp. | ||
| It's a stupid position. | ||
| We shouldn't have it anymore. | ||
| We shouldn't have had it a long time ago. | ||
| We should have figured out a long time ago that you can't have one person run the whole show. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| It's crazy for them, too. | ||
| It's not good for anybody. | ||
| We can't pretend anymore that one person is special above other people. | ||
| Like, royalty doesn't work anymore. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| We're all just people. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| And you can't get voted in to the number one person on the world. | ||
| That's fucking ridiculous. | ||
| Apparently you can't. | ||
| You can. | ||
| But you shouldn't be able to. | ||
| It's too old. | ||
| It's too antiquated. | ||
| And there's way better options. | ||
| There's just way better options. | ||
| You can't have all of us. | ||
| And you can't have some arbitrary date where everybody has to decide by. | ||
| The presidential election should not be an episode of The Voice. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Well, it's got a time. | ||
| But everything's an episode of The Voice now. | ||
| That's just how it works. | ||
| Or American Idol or something like that. | ||
| There's a buzzer. | ||
| It's all a big contest. | ||
| You win the trophy. | ||
| When you vote, there's a buzzer. | ||
| The buzzer's over. | ||
| You can't vote anymore. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The votes are in. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And the drum roll, please. | ||
| I mean, it's showbiz. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense that you mean I guess it does because then people could arbitrarily Decide to remove a leader and put a leader back in and like you would just be able to vote and change your mind with the tide like constantly But that's one more reason why we shouldn't have one person. | ||
| It's stupid should have First of all, we gotta overhaul the way we teach kids. | ||
| We gotta have more informed people. | ||
| Then once you have more informed people, you let them in on what the fuck we should do. | ||
| We all decide as a group. | ||
| Like, the way they do it now... | ||
| The way they do it now is just, it's bullshit. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| Like you're pretending that you have a choice. | ||
| You do have a choice. | ||
| You have a choice between this guy or that guy. | ||
| Neither one you like, so pick it. | ||
| But both of them are embedded in all the special interest groups and all the lobbyists. | ||
| It was supposed to be a republic. | ||
| It was always supposed to be about the people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And by the people, for the people. | ||
| It's been co-opted by money. | ||
| It's real simple. | ||
| For big pharma and oil companies. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, the amount of people that are allowed to spend millions and millions of dollars to prop up politicians. | ||
| It's like, why would we let that happen? | ||
| On both sides. | ||
| On both sides. | ||
| Why would we let that happen? | ||
| That seems crazy. | ||
| That seems like any other job where you were in a position of influence over someone else's job. | ||
| You wouldn't be able to take money from that person to make sure that you did the right thing. | ||
| That would be called bribery. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it is like bribery. | ||
| They do it. | ||
| Right, they do do it. | ||
| But they get in real big trouble for. | ||
| Here's one that I think is interesting. | ||
| Trump recently did something about steel, about bringing steel back to the United States and steel manufacturing back to the United States. | ||
| But before he did it, one of his homies... | ||
| Bought a shitload of stock in steel, like one of his like super rich dudes. | ||
| And so then the question is like, hey, should he have been allowed to do that? | ||
| Isn't that insider trading? | ||
| And you're like, wait a minute, you can't just know shit? | ||
| If I know shit, what am I supposed to do? | ||
| I'm not supposed to buy stock? | ||
| Like, well then, if you do know shit and you buy stock, is that fair? | ||
| That doesn't seem fair. | ||
| What's the answer there? | ||
| The answer is the system sucks. | ||
| You got a wacky ass fucking crazy system that all your money's based on, where people can just buy and sell parts of companies. | ||
| Yeah, or all. | ||
| Or all. | ||
| I think the Chinese pretty much bought all the steel companies. | ||
| Right, so a while back they were smart enough to say, oh, you don't want that? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Nobody's ever gonna go back, though. | ||
| Once you can make money off the stock market, fuck that. | ||
| I'm making money off moving numbers around on my computer. | ||
| Fuck you, I'm staying. | ||
| Do you play it? | ||
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No. | |
| It's just terrifying. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| No way. | ||
| No. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with that. | ||
| I've gained and lost before. | ||
| I was a victim of a pump and dump steam. | ||
| I get nervous at the Wheel of Fortune dollar slots, man, in Vegas, you know what I mean? | ||
| Much less. | ||
| You should. | ||
| Those are dangerous. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They lure you in. | ||
| I'm down 19. I gotta get the fuck out of here, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| I was a victim of a pump and dump scheme. | ||
| This dude told me to buy this stock. | ||
| He's like, dude, I'm telling you, the stock's about to blow up. | ||
| The guy was a coke dealer, so I knew he was honest, trustworthy, easy to listen to. | ||
| I didn't know he was a coke dealer at the time. | ||
| I just thought he was a comic. | ||
| And so he would tell me about the stock and we bought into it. | ||
| I don't think I bought that much, but it was like a few thousand dollars, which is not that big of a deal if you're Looking at the greater spectrum of how much money people lose in the stock market, I lost nothing. | ||
| I mean, people lose their whole life savings, their fortune, what they've inherited. | ||
| People can lose it like that in the stock market. | ||
| So we bought in, me and my business manager, and it went up for a little while. | ||
| It went up because more people were telling more people to buy it, and then it just crashed. | ||
| It crashed! | ||
| And when I mean it crashed, it just went through the floor like it didn't exist anymore. | ||
| It was like, it went from, I forget what the number was, but it was like in the many dollars down to like a fraction of a cent or a cent or three cent or something like that. | ||
| It went down to virtually worthless. | ||
| And we were like, oh, we got pump and dumped. | ||
| Like, that's what they do. | ||
| They pump it up, they get a bunch of people to join, and then once a bunch of people are buying this stock, they're like, abandon ship! | ||
| And I got fucked. | ||
| I remember Shooter going on years ago all about the Bitcoin shit, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He got hung up on the Bitcoin for a minute. | ||
| Shooter loves it. | ||
| I wish I'd listened. | ||
| He loves that shit. | ||
| He's a Bitcoin believer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a Bitcoin. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| This is me. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| I'm like, I don't understand that, and I probably never will, so I'm going to stay over here. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good move. | ||
| It feels like a little pyramid scheme-y. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's nervous. | ||
| It makes us nervous. | ||
| At this point in my life, I just assume everything is a pyramid scheme. | ||
| It's always like a trickle of, you know... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If it could be proven to be as stable or more stable than money, I think we just go for it. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think, why fuck around? | ||
| Why use all these old, crazy, rich banker dudes' money when you could just do nerd money? | ||
| Just digital nerd money. | ||
| Wait, all it would take is people having to agree to it, right? | ||
| That's all it would take. | ||
| If everybody just agreed to just use Bitcoin. | ||
| Or if everybody agreed to an implant that had all your info on it and all your money. | ||
| Don't you do that story, Joel. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Walk into your movie, man. | ||
| That's coming. | ||
| Yeah, someone's going to give you the benefits of it. | ||
| If you just put this in your dick, first of all... | ||
| They just haven't inserted it yet, but we all have one, you know? | ||
| Yeah, they haven't turned it on yet. | ||
| It's in your pocket, not your wrist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, some people, it's on their wrist, too. | ||
| I was texting one night with the guys in the band. | ||
| This was what really scared the shit out of me. | ||
| I got off social media a while back completely again. | ||
| I tried Twitter again. | ||
| I told Jason Isbell to give it a second shot, but I realized my kids were way more interesting. | ||
| I'd just rather be writing a song or doing something else. | ||
| But one night, we all had a group text going on, and somebody said something. | ||
| There's a lot of 80s film buffs in our band, and somebody made a Jean-Claude Van Damme reference. | ||
| And dude, five minutes later, I'm not in any way exaggerating this. | ||
| My wife and I are sitting there watching TV, surfing Netflix, and instantly it's like my entire channel is full of Jean-Claude Van Damme selections. | ||
| And I was just like, what in the fuck is going on? | ||
| I've never watched a Jean-Claude Van Damme film ever on Netflix. | ||
| And now there's all this... | ||
| It's like somehow that got... | ||
| Cross-marketed to my television set, just because I'm on my telephone talking about this fucking guy. | ||
| Freaked me out, man. | ||
| I was like, no more. | ||
| I'm dumping everything. | ||
| Dude, I've heard people tell me that they were having conversations on the phone with someone, and then what they were talking about showed up in their Google Ads on their laptop. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Are they listening constantly? | ||
| Something is. | ||
| Jamie says yes. | ||
| Edward Snowden says yes. | ||
| But the fact that it shows up in your Google Ads, isn't that a little fucking obvious? | ||
| I mean, that hasn't happened to me. | ||
| Do you think that's real? | ||
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100%. | |
| 100%. | ||
| Jamie's looking... | ||
| He looks like he should have a Guy Fawkes mask on right now. | ||
| Slip on one of them fucking anarchist masks. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's smiling over there. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| They're listening to us. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Gmail's free for a reason, you know. | ||
| Boom, there it is. | ||
| What, so they can read it? | ||
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Definitely, yeah. | |
| They're reading everything. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It all makes sense now. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| Now I'm freaking out, Jamie. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| Fuck my head up, man. | ||
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Here to help. | |
| Is that okay? | ||
| You know, like, who signed off on that? | ||
| How many people have ever read those terms of agreement? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Have you ever? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| When you buy the Alexa, you're just like, yes. | ||
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You're buying yes. | |
| Those people are crazy. | ||
| Having those things in your house that you talk to and it listens to everything. | ||
| Fuck all that. | ||
| That just seems like too hackable. | ||
| It's all weird, man. | ||
| And by the way, this is just the first drops of water that's going through before our roof collapses. | ||
| Because it's coming. | ||
| Or, you know, all cars now, automotive bills, it's all, you know, electronic systems and GPS. Yeah. | ||
| I'm not a techie guy, so excuse me if this is a really ignorant question, but, like, what's to stop somebody from hacking into your car and crashing you into a fucking wall? | ||
| Well, that was always the case against Michael, or the death of, against the death of Michael Hastings. | ||
| Yeah, they said the CIA. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that. | ||
| Well, they don't know if the CIA or who, you know, but he wrote a story for Rolling Stone. | ||
| He was embedded in Iraq or Afghanistan, I forget. | ||
| And he wrote a story about this general. | ||
| It was very unflattering. | ||
| And what happened was he got stuck there with them and he lived with these people for a long time and they let their guard down. | ||
| And, you know, they said a bunch of shit they would say around each other. | ||
| They made a movie about it, didn't they? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Did they? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| They might have. | ||
| But this general apparently got fired. | ||
| He was one of the best generals that, you know, it was like... | ||
| Very highly ranked. | ||
| And really respected by the troops. | ||
| And people were really, really pissed at this guy. | ||
| And he was starting to say that he was in danger, that his life was in danger. | ||
| And I think he even said something about if, for whatever reason he commits suicide, that he didn't do it. | ||
| He was driving his car and he drove straight into a tree at over 100 miles an hour. | ||
| I think it was on sunset. | ||
| His car exploded. | ||
| Engine flew from the car like crazy, horrific shit. | ||
| And then afterwards they talked to these computer experts and they said, well, is it possible? | ||
| To take a modern automobile with all sorts of... | ||
| There's all sorts of devices inside modern cars that make them hit the brakes if you're getting too close to something or literally move out of a lane. | ||
| Some of them have automatic pilot, so you could just fucking press the destination and it just navigates there. | ||
| I mean, that's what a Tesla does. | ||
| I saw a lot of those in Pittsburgh. | ||
| I was there some weeks back. | ||
| Teslas are crazy. | ||
| They have the self-driving Ubers up there. | ||
| And they're getting better and better and better at that. | ||
|
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Man. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, where do you go from? | ||
| Next thing you know, they'll be trying to shoot humans through pneumatic tubes or something, you know? | ||
| But you think that people who kill people literally for a profession, right? | ||
| Professional soldiers, especially the ones that this guy, I mean, embedded in combat. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they would light that guy up for getting that general booted out. | ||
| I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility at all. | ||
| They would think that guy's the enemy. | ||
| And they said that he had amphetamines in his system, and for a while I was like, oh, he had amphetamines. | ||
| Maybe he was going crazy. | ||
| Then I realized that almost all journalists are taking fucking Adderall. | ||
| They're all taking amphetamines. | ||
| You'll find amphetamines and meth-like substances in all of them. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| Don't get mad if you're straight. | ||
| Dude, all I drink is coffee. | ||
| Don't be a dick. | ||
| But a lot of them. | ||
| I have many friends that are writers or journalists. | ||
| I can think of two journalists that are friends of mine that both take a lot of Adderall. | ||
| They love that shit. | ||
| A good buddy of mine who's a doctor was just telling me that when he was in college and he was going through all of his examinations, his friends started taking Adderall. | ||
| And he recognized this giant jump in their performance. | ||
| And he was like, what the fuck? | ||
| He goes, they were smoking me in the grades. | ||
| And I realized, oh, these guys are on PEDs. | ||
| I never did it. | ||
| I've never tried it. | ||
| Want to try it right now? | ||
| Not really. | ||
|
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You and me together? | |
| No, I kind of like to be down here. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I've never understood that. | ||
| I guess it never appealed to my disposition. | ||
| I don't think I would function. | ||
| If you wanted to build a log cabin right now. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| It might be the way to go. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, they said when Jack Kerouac rode on the road, they were on a lot of Benzedrine or inhalant things they used to buy. | ||
| And he sat down and wrote the whole thing in like three days. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Or maybe a day. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| I'm not a beat aficionado, but I know that he was hopped out of his mind on speed and wrote the whole dang thing like in a scroll on a roof in Mexico while Ginsburg was probably downstairs molesting a little kid or some shit. | ||
|
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Jesus. | |
| That's a dark picture. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There used to be... | ||
| What do you got there, Jeremy? | ||
| How a generation of beat writers burnt out on speed. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There was a big pool scene in the 1970s. | ||
| Everybody was on speed back then. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was going to say. | ||
| Pool players. | ||
| That was the thing with pool players back then, is that they would take speed and gamble. | ||
| When people first found out about speed, it must have been the most amazing thing ever. | ||
| Before they realized how it could wreck you, I mean, think about it. | ||
| There's no speed, and then all of a sudden, 10, 20 years later, everyone's on speed. | ||
| I mean, it happened out of nowhere. | ||
| There wasn't a bunch of speed burnouts that everybody could, like, look back on and go, oh, look at that guy over there, learn from him. | ||
| Like, especially, like, Adderall. | ||
| Like, there's no burnouts. | ||
| So everybody's just been taking it for a few years. | ||
| A few years, yeah. | ||
| Like, how long has it been around? | ||
| 20 years? | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| As long as, uh... | ||
| How long do you think Adderall's been around, Jamie? | ||
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Yeah, probably after Ritalin, probably, right? | |
| So, yeah, 15, 20 years max. | ||
| 15, 20 years? | ||
| It was invented at the same time as gluten. | ||
| LAUGHTER Kerouac took so much amphetamine when he first discovered the inhaler high that he'd lost most of his hair and his legs swelled up with, what is that word, thrombophlebitis. | ||
| Thrombophlebitis. | ||
| That seems like he went overboard. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| Saying he went deep. | ||
| Do you know who that beardy man guy is? | ||
| He does electronic music. | ||
| What do they call those? | ||
| EM artists? | ||
| What do they call them? | ||
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EDM. EDM. What do they call those guys? | |
| He's got a beard. | ||
| Greg Fitzsimmons and I were going over Hunter S. Thompson's routine before he would write and he would just start off early in the morning drinking. | ||
| Oh, the whole laundry list leading up until start work at midnight? | ||
| Yeah, at midnight Hunter S. Thompson is ready to write. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| But him, same thing, right? | ||
| His body just gave out, man. | ||
| His body was just falling apart by the time he's dying. | ||
| He just burnt that fucking thing to a crisp. | ||
| Well, they didn't know what we know now. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| You know, those guys were riding the lightning and they never thought there'd be any... | ||
| Yeah, but I think with Hunter it didn't matter. | ||
| Whether or not he knew. | ||
| He would have done the exact same thing anyway. | ||
| Like, he was of a mindset that he's like, he's not here for a long time. | ||
| He's here for a good time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's what he did. | ||
| And there's, I mean, that's why people love that guy. | ||
| It's one of the main, not just because of his brilliant writing, but because that motherfucker went for it. | ||
| And then when it was all over, he said, yep, this ain't fine anymore. | ||
| You take care. | ||
| Put a gun to his head. | ||
| And that's a wrap. | ||
| Told everybody he was going to do it, too. | ||
| Said, hey, I'm gonna get to a point where I don't like this anymore. | ||
| I got fake hips now, can't move, always in pain. | ||
| That's a wrap. | ||
| Take care. | ||
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Boom! | |
| The second you can't walk up or down a few flights of stairs by yourself, that's kind of when it's over, you know? | ||
| For a lot of people, yeah. | ||
| A lot of people manage to still find some reason to keep going and enjoy themselves and, you know, and they're fine. | ||
| But it's like when you're a guy that's just still hitting it hard every day. | ||
| He never got... | ||
| He never sobered up. | ||
| There was no sobering up. | ||
| At what point, though, is that... | ||
| Sad? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When is... | ||
| I mean, there's obviously a pretty inherent level of self-medication going on to get through the day so you don't wake up and blow your brains out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe it was just me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think with a guy like him, his path was probably pretty clearly carved from the time he was very young. | ||
| I mean, the thing that's so interesting about him is that he was so genuinely thoughtful. | ||
| Like, you really did think about shit. | ||
| Oh, he's one of the greatest writers of our time, no question. | ||
| And a Kentuckian, so... | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| It's gotta be alright. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I read a lot of it, but I read it way too early, because, you know, when you're... | ||
| I was one of those kids that got just... | ||
| I had older cousins. | ||
| You get exposed to all that shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was too soon, you know. | ||
| Probably high school when I read... | ||
| The campaign trail thing, the Nixon book, Shark Hunt. | ||
| Yeah, that was a great one. | ||
| His documentary, you ever see that Gonzo, The Life of the Times? | ||
| Fucking amazing. | ||
| You want to just do something with your life after you watch that. | ||
| Not to... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't have any friends that wave 44 Magnums around in their living room, though. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I would go to that party. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'd go to that party, too, but you might get shot. | ||
| I wouldn't move in. | ||
| No. | ||
| You'd go to the party. | ||
| Johnny Depp moved in for, like, what, six weeks or so? | ||
| He moved in, yeah. | ||
| He went all the way. | ||
| They went all the way. | ||
| He sort of had to, though. | ||
| I wonder if he cooked Johnny Depp's brain. | ||
| I wonder if that's when Johnny Depp started going wacky. | ||
| Holy shit, it probably is. | ||
| I'm going to spread a conspiracy theory. | ||
| Johnny Depp was reasonable and calm and polite and had his shit completely together until he did too much acid with Hunter S. Thompson, and that's why he's wacky now. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's not outside the realm of possibility. | ||
| He's from Kentucky, too, so I'm not going to say anything bad about you. | ||
| Damn, it's a full Kentucky house. | ||
| Did you ever read the Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And it still holds true. | ||
| Oh, it's an amazing book. | ||
| Or amazing article, rather. | ||
| Well, that was where he sort of really found the style. | ||
| That piece in particular was where he was like, I'm going to go over here and do this. | ||
| Yeah, there was definitely that. | ||
| And then that fear and loathing in Las Vegas thing, too, where that started out. | ||
| He was being paid to cover a motorcycle race. | ||
| It became this just fucking crazy screed about drugs and partying. | ||
| And we were outside of Barstow and the drugs began to take hold. | ||
| And it's fucking bats in the air and shit. | ||
| They're driving a convertible Cadillac across the country, headed to Vegas. | ||
| I mean, it's a fucking amazing, amazing piece of work. | ||
| And it started out as a Sports Illustrated story. | ||
| They wanted him to cover a race. | ||
| And also a very, you know, fitting and beautiful eulogy to the whole 60s flower power shit that just caved on itself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's that one line, too. | ||
| A bunch of fucking quitters, man. | ||
| Well, what do you think happened with them? | ||
| I think they took away their pot, they took away the acid, and they arrested a bunch of people. | ||
| They definitely clamped down, and then, you know, you have a few college student massacres, and, you know, the sensationalization of the Manson murders probably didn't help. | ||
| Right, sure. | ||
| That became like a big narrative piece. | ||
| Hippies, LSD, Manson, yeah, it was all tied in. | ||
| But musically, since I should stick to talking about things I know about, which is music, I think that that was probably just the best shit that ever happened and ever will happen. | ||
| Like that 65 to 70, it just sort of exploded in all different directions and a lot of things happened that maybe they couldn't happen now. | ||
| Or even two decades ago that couldn't have happened. | ||
| As a musician, what do you think was the catalyst? | ||
| Like what made them go from the 50s sound to the 60s? | ||
| Just experimentation and mind, whatever, you know, looking for different ways of life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Philosophically speaking, maybe I think what they were all writing about. | ||
| But I mean, and then some guys were just pushing the sonic limitations of the studio. | ||
| Like Hendrix didn't really do that much drugs. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The guy was all just about like, I mean, yeah, he partied, but he wasn't like a druggie. | ||
| You know, he probably ate acid on stage a couple times and both of those I think he was spiked. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he was just a serious blues head and they wanted to stretch out and really push what the limitations of the gear at that time in the studio, you know, Well, I don't only want to have eight channels. | ||
| What if we had 16? | ||
| Some of the experimentation and things that guys like him and Pink Floyd and later bands, you know, ALO, just really pushing the parameters of what you could do with a traditional style of music in terms of arrangement and how you frame that. | ||
| I always assumed that because he got arrested in Toronto with heroin, That he did drugs. | ||
| I feel like if you have heroin on you... | ||
| Did he get busted? | ||
| I thought it was barbiturates or... | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was heroin. | ||
| I don't think he ever... | ||
| I could be wrong, man. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
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Acadia says a small amount of heroin and hashish. | |
| Huh. | ||
| That's Chasing the Dragon. | ||
| Yeah, see, so when I read that, I'm like, hmm, how much do we know about what Jimi Hendrix did during his day? | ||
| Like, people don't know how high I'm getting. | ||
| How would they know? | ||
| I mean, if they see us get high on this show, they know how high I got today. | ||
| But they don't even, because I could get high before I go running. | ||
| I might get high when I'm sitting home to write. | ||
| I have people tell me that I'm high when I'm not even high. | ||
| Yeah, but you probably are a little. | ||
| No, I just have really sleepy hound dog eyes. | ||
| I always look high, but whatever, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Jimmy liked... | ||
| He was into some weird shit. | ||
| I know he had this thing about filming women walking away from the hotel. | ||
| They found this big collection of home movies of him hanging out off hotel room balconies. | ||
| As they walked away? | ||
| As they walked away. | ||
| That was some kind of weird fetish. | ||
| What is that? | ||
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He was not guilty on the charges. | |
| They don't know that... | ||
| They might have been planted on him. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| They're not sure if there actually is. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| It said he had no drug paraphernalia in his luggage or needle tracks on his arms. | ||
| No. | ||
| He smoked pot, but he didn't like... | ||
| Oh, they might have fucking framed him. | ||
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The plot thickens. | |
| That dude was too creative and prolific, just in the amount of time he was alive, to have been a junkie. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta... | ||
| You gotta make a junkie get up and do shit. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But they say that about potheads, too. | ||
| But I know a lot of pretty prolific potheads. | ||
| I don't buy that. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| Smoking pot gets me off the couch. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It makes you a little paranoid. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, like, I gotta get some shit done. | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
| Like, I'm maybe not working hard enough. | ||
| It makes me feel like that. | ||
| Like, I could be getting more shit done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They said Lennon actually, you know, when he was on heroin for a while, but that motherfucker laid in bed with like 18 cats, you know, and it didn't do anything. | ||
| And then they said Paul would be like, oh, I've got some songs, we've got to make a record. | ||
| And he'd be like, goddammit, wake up, I have to write five songs in a week. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Because he just, they said he'd just lay around like a sloth, butt naked, and tell all the maids to pretend like he wasn't there when he walked through the kitchen butt naked to get a glass of milk. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You couldn't do that anymore. | ||
| They'd take your house. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That means you'd be fired. | ||
| You couldn't even make an arrangement. | ||
| Well, you can make an arrangement the other way, though. | ||
| There's like a topless maid service. | ||
| They come over to your house and they take their top off. | ||
| See, that just seems weird. | ||
| It's definitely weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would be like, ah. | ||
| Imagine the people that those poor ladies have to deal with on a daily. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That ain't a good time. | ||
| But you could have a topless maid service, but you couldn't have a you come over and wash the house while I'm naked deal. | ||
| Because if it's your house and you're naked and they're walking around your house, then you're forcing them to look at you naked. | ||
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Right? | |
| I would think that that's not legal. | ||
| Yeah, people are losing their careers over there right now. | ||
| Yeah, you can't do that. | ||
| You're really not supposed to do that. | ||
| Yeah, but in the old days, like a king who didn't give a fuck, he would just stroll around and let everyone look at his cock and walk right through the fucking building. | ||
| Wouldn't give a shit. | ||
| Have your head chopped off if you didn't have sex with him. | ||
| I would not want to live in those times. | ||
| I've been watching a lot of Vikings. | ||
| I haven't seen it, man. | ||
| I feel like four people tell me to watch that shit. | ||
| I don't have time. | ||
| I didn't believe them. | ||
| I didn't believe them. | ||
| I'm like, there's no way. | ||
| It's on regular TV. Is it that good? | ||
| It's fucking good. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's a good show. | ||
| You have to get through the first couple episodes. | ||
| First couple episodes, you're a little like, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My buddy Ferg's all about it. | ||
| He's like, man, you gotta get on this Vikings show, man. | ||
| They have to set things up. | ||
| That's the problem with shows. | ||
| You're a little skeptical until you get to know everybody, and then you get the feeling of the characters, and then you get sucked in. | ||
| That's why binge-watching is so awesome. | ||
| Binge watching is great, especially if you're a touring musician. | ||
| Oh yeah, right? | ||
| I can never get into shows when they come out because I'll see a couple episodes and then we go on tour for two months and you're like, what the fuck happened? | ||
| But now I can come home and just... | ||
| You know, watch a season of something in a day while I'm recuperating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My wife's pretty... | ||
| She knows what, like, the good shows, the programs and shit. | ||
| Like, I wouldn't know what to watch, but I've found a lot of things. | ||
| Have you seen Stranger Things? | ||
| I saw the first season. | ||
| Or, no, I did see... | ||
| Yeah, we saw those. | ||
| What about Ozark? | ||
| Saw that. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I like Bateman. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| I like that sardonic shit. | ||
| There's a new one coming out with Jared Leto. | ||
| But the Yakuza? | ||
| Or is it a movie? | ||
| It's a movie. | ||
| It's a movie on Netflix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He joins the Yakuza. | ||
| Most handsomest white-looking Yakuza guy ever. | ||
| Perfect features. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because that happens all the time. | ||
| It's happening in this movie, bro. | ||
| How about to spend a little disbelief for Jared Leto? | ||
| They're just walking around Shinjuku looking for white dudes to fucking run shop, you know? | ||
| Do you think he's learned how to speak Japanese? | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| It's going to be pretty weird if he doesn't. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| He's prettier than most women. | ||
| Oh, he's prettier than a lot of women, man. | ||
| If you put him in like a long-haired wig type situation, it's beautiful. | ||
| There he goes. | ||
| We going to look at pictures of Jared Leto now? | ||
| Is he supposed to be half Japanese? | ||
| Is that the premise of the show? | ||
| Oh, I better not be. | ||
| Because he's got his hair dyed. | ||
| They can't do that anymore. | ||
| That shit is cultural appropriation. | ||
| You're not allowed to anymore. | ||
| But how else is a white dude gonna get in Yakuza? | ||
| He's gotta be like a catch there. | ||
| I think he was a soldier that was friends with a guy and he stayed over there to help him. | ||
| Like if you have a movie today and you have a Chinese character in a movie but you have a Japanese guy play the Chinese character, you're fucked. | ||
| Right? | ||
| People will get angry. | ||
| You can't do it anymore. | ||
| No more pretending you're someone else. | ||
| Unless you're Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, he could get away with it, but not anymore. | ||
| He got away with it in that one movie. | ||
| But, like, if you were an Asian guy, though, I firmly believe no one would have a problem if they took an Asian guy and gave him some sort of facial prosthetics that turned him into a European-looking guy, and then gave him lead roles in a movie where he plays a European guy, people would have to shut the fuck up. | ||
| They would want to say something, But then they go... | ||
| It's amazing how far... | ||
| We watch a lot of movies on the bus sometimes. | ||
| If I'm at home and I'm by myself, I watch weird shit. | ||
| I like old films and a lot of old westerns and stuff. | ||
| I watch the same movies I've seen a hundred times over and over as opposed to watching a lot of the newer shit. | ||
| We do watch a lot of these old westerns from the 50s, and it's like, it's all white dudes painted up like Native American Indians with the headdress, and it just looks so cheesy, and they have these affected, horrible accents, and you're just like, how the fuck did that ever happen? | ||
| But then you get to the 80s, and you watch something like 48 Hours now, and it's the most sexist, racist, misogynistic shit, and they were just pumping those things out of studios two or three decades ago. | ||
| Any female characters in those films, you're either Hooker 1 or Secretary at Precinct who everybody dismisses. | ||
| Those were the only roles. | ||
| Yeah, that just happened. | ||
| That's when we were kids. | ||
| Yeah, when we were kids. | ||
| That movie I just called out specifically, we watched it on the bus one night. | ||
| We were all like, this would never fucking get made now, man. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| So much would never get made. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I mean, is that cultural evolution? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I mean, I hope so. | ||
| There's a little bit of it, but it's happening at such a rapid rate. | ||
| I hope it's all not just like catchphrases and shit. | ||
| I hope it's actually doing something. | ||
| I have weird ideas about this. | ||
| I really feel like if we weren't completely embedded in it, that we would look at this as like a system that's pulling us into its web and And forcing us to be more and more entangled. | ||
| And this system is the system of electronics. | ||
| It's like almost like it's preparing for us to give birth to artificial life. | ||
| And so in the meantime, it's completely sucking us in and making us be completely embedded. | ||
| Phones in your pocket, constant Alexa listening to everything you do. | ||
| It's all just as deep as it can in the biological systems world until it gives birth. | ||
| We're going to force it into existence just by being completely fascinated with electronics. | ||
| Are we? | ||
| Is it the universe forcing it into existence? | ||
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That too. | |
| I think it's a natural thing. | ||
| I've always described it as like a... | ||
| It's figured out a way to interconnect itself even more, man. | ||
| Yeah, it has. | ||
| With data. | ||
| Yeah, and force progress. | ||
| Think about what they were saying about Putin. | ||
| If Putin really does have that kind of missile... | ||
| But sooner or later, it's fucking Skynet, man. | ||
| It sure is. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| But if someone has that kind of power, if there really is something that a person can think up that didn't exist 200 years ago. | ||
| 200 years ago, there wasn't even the thought of it. | ||
| So in 200 years, two small amounts of measurement of time in relationship to the entire age of the universe, they could figure out a way to kill every person on the planet. | ||
| Like that. | ||
| Literally wreck the planet where no life would be. | ||
| It wouldn't be possible to have life. | ||
| There's enough nuclear bombs to do that. | ||
| What is it going to be like in 200 years from now? | ||
| It's going to be way, way, way, way, way more accelerated. | ||
| It's almost going to get to the point where the universe It's going to be a place where you could visit. | ||
| People can go places. | ||
| If not people, things can go places. | ||
| As long as I'm holding a lightsaber before I die. | ||
| Oh, you'll get one of those. | ||
| It's all fucking worth it. | ||
| But the problem with the lightsaber is I was always like, well, why does it end there? | ||
| Why doesn't it just go on for infinity like a laser? | ||
| Oh, yeah, right? | ||
| Why is it only three and a half feet long? | ||
| Yeah, what's it doing? | ||
| Unless it was a rod and then the laser went around the rod but it knew to stop at the top. | ||
| That would make sense. | ||
| But the fact that the laser only extends three feet or whatever it does, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| George Lucas was a big Kurosawa fan. | ||
| Was he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All that shit's based on samurai films. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And Leone films. | ||
| All those guys are just like generations of dudes paying homage and ripping each other off that lead to the new thing. | ||
| It's the same as music. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, Quentin Tarantino's always been pretty open about that, right? | ||
| He makes unapologetic, like, cinematic homages right down to framing shots and scores. | ||
| Like, he's a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does it masterfully, though. | ||
| Like, isn't it... | ||
| What are you doing when you're remaking King Kong? | ||
| Making money. | ||
| Yeah, you're making money. | ||
| Making a lot of money. | ||
| But if you do it right... | ||
| You're making art. | ||
| I don't think anybody's done King Kong right. | ||
| Nobody's done King Kong right. | ||
| You might not be able to do King Kong right. | ||
| Maybe it's a bad example. | ||
| But the Hulk. | ||
| The CGI shit, for me, man, it really took the magic out of everything. | ||
| That with HD, because you watch Harry and the Hendersons with your kids now or something, and that looks better than a lot of the stuff coming out. | ||
| It's just, I don't know. | ||
| The suspension of disbelief isn't there. | ||
| HDTV just fucking ruined movies for me, because I'm like... | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It's fake as fuck. | ||
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Give me some VHS. It's better. | |
| Blur the lines a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like digital music, same thing. | ||
| You hear all that separation and air and sterilization, I guess, is the best way to put it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it definitely works that way for physical things. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why the original Alien movie was so terrifying. | ||
| It was a physical thing. | ||
| Oh, fucking... | ||
| Or the first Halloween. | ||
| There's no blood in that film. | ||
| It's just tension and dread and anxiety. | ||
| Real people. | ||
| And some crazy fuck running around in a William Shatner mask. | ||
| Even in American Werewolf in London, which is quick scenes. | ||
| John Carpenter, also from Kentucky. | ||
| Was he really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Damn, Kentucky. | ||
| And Muhammad Ali. | ||
| Yeah, we don't fuck with that. | ||
| Louisville. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Abraham Lincoln. | ||
| Daniel Boone. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Harry Dean Stanton. | ||
| Well, imagine the Daniel Boone days. | ||
| Imagine being... | ||
| Brother, I don't have to imagine where I live now. | ||
| It's like Daniel Boone days. | ||
| I walk out and it's like, yup. | ||
| There's some caves down, we moved to the Smokies, where they just give land away down there. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah, like fucking... | |
| My own woods now for less than what a townhouse in Nashville would cost. | ||
| But the people who bought it from me found a cave on the back of the property down. | ||
| We kind of back up to this national forest and there's a bunch of like 3,000 year old Indian cave paintings in there. | ||
| Like Native American cave paintings. | ||
| The University of Chicago came down and studied it all. | ||
| So now I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to figure out how to keep my fucking kids from going in there and doing something, you know. | ||
| Right, and Dick was here. | ||
| Yeah, we're drawing big cock and balls on the Indians. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| That cock and balls would be revered by people who have found it 2,000 years from now. | ||
| Why do we say it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you went to a cave 2,000 years from now, and they uncovered some cave, and it was a bunch of dudes just drawing guys jerking off, people would be excited. | ||
| They'd be like, well, this was 3,000 years later. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if you look at some of the ancient artwork, right? | ||
| Like, how about some of the Roman statues where dudes are grabbing each other's dicks and wrestling? | ||
| Do you ever see that? | ||
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Really? | |
| I haven't seen that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were wrestling, and in the process of wrestling, one dude's grabbing the other guy's junk, which they did do. | ||
| They'd crush your balls and shit. | ||
| That was a move back then. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Well, let's be honest. | ||
| Like, in a real fight... | ||
| Yeah, it's a move. | ||
| That's a move. | ||
| It is a move. | ||
| It's a way to go. | ||
| It's definitely the way to go. | ||
| If you crush a man's taters or take away his ability to breathe, the fight's pretty much over. | ||
| There was actually an MMA fight where that took place back when there was no rules. | ||
| There was a guy named The Pedro, and he was fighting a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich. | ||
| And Big Daddy reached into his pants and grabbed a hole in his cock and balls and crushed it in his hand. | ||
| See this guy? | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| He's just grabbing dicks, man. | ||
| The guy on the bottom is grabbing a dick. | ||
| He's holding that guy's hog. | ||
| It's rude. | ||
| But that's how they wrestled back then. | ||
| They didn't give a fuck. | ||
| The dick was something you could also hold on to. | ||
| You can hold on to the foot. | ||
| Why can't you hold on to the dick? | ||
| So they were yanking on dicks and pulling people along. | ||
| Boy, they really turned it up back then, didn't they? | ||
| They had to. | ||
| How long were they living? | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, if you were one of these bad motherfucker wrestler dudes, how much time did you have to be that guy? | ||
| I'd go grab some dick and roll around in the dirt and then I'd go eat some grapes and have a giant orgy and watch a lion eat my friend later on today. | ||
| That's a day. | ||
| Look at the apple on the end of that guy's dick. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Look at the size of his hog. | ||
| If that was real, he was hard. | ||
| This is sex then. | ||
| This is not fight for the death. | ||
| That guy's getting off on that. | ||
| Or, if he doesn't, If he's not getting hard, and that's just how big his dick is when it's soft. | ||
| This is not at all where I thought we would end up today on my way over here. | ||
| But it has to be said. | ||
| Last time I think we talked about Bigfoot. | ||
| Yeah, no new opinions on that. | ||
| Oh, I got a Bigfoot story. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No, I think I already told it. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Did I? When I used to live out west a long time ago, my buddy and mine were driving up to this little town called Leavenworth, Washington to go check out this weird little Aspen Swedish ski town in fucking northern Washington where you go get your potato soup. | ||
| That's another story though. | ||
| And we stopped at one of these roadside coffee stands, which are every 300 feet in Washington State. | ||
| But this one was on like this sort of timber road going up through the forest. | ||
| speaking of Harry and Henderson's wow it's all serendipitous but uh we get out of the car and the wooden statue from the beginning of that movie is like in the driveway it was this old Sasquatch statue and That's where I remembered it from. | ||
| I was like, that looks just like this thing from there. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And, no, that's not... | ||
| That's badass, though. | ||
| Is there a lot of Bigfoot sightings out there? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Funny you should mention that. | ||
| We're stopping and we're getting coffee from this lady. | ||
| And I'm like, you know, whatever, trying to talk about the statue from the movie. | ||
| She's like, yeah, they stopped and filmed here. | ||
| And then she pulls out these, she had these old photo books, like family photo albums, like huge photo albums, two or three of them at least, full of Polaroids. | ||
| Of Sasquatch that her family had taken in this house, supposedly. | ||
| It's the greatest idea to sell coffee ever. | ||
| Polaroids! | ||
| Like photographs. | ||
| Like fucking old... | ||
| Of a real Sasquatch. | ||
| Of photos of... | ||
| How bad they look. | ||
| That's what she really wanted us to think. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There were just so many of them. | ||
| I remember thinking, like, God, she really went to some trouble here, man. | ||
| Because there was, like, giant photo albums of Sasquatch. | ||
| And they were all Sasquatch photos. | ||
| They'd taken off their back porch or out the windows of the house. | ||
| Because they lived, like, right off the side of the road. | ||
| And it was just fucking wilderness, you know? | ||
| That's my Sasquatch story. | ||
| Was there any of them that made you go, hmm? | ||
| Not a damn one. | ||
| I don't believe in Bigfoot. | ||
| It definitely used to be a real thing. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| You think at one time it definitely existed and they're all gone now. | ||
| There's an animal called the Gigantopithecus. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know about that one, right? | ||
| That was a real thing. | ||
| So that was basically a Bigfoot. | ||
| It was an eight foot tall... | ||
| Gigantic bipedal ape. | ||
| So they know that that was real. | ||
| So if that was real, it's entirely possible that one of them made it across the Bering landmass with human beings. | ||
| Entirely possible. | ||
| Because they were from Asia, and they were from Asia right around... | ||
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A Yeti. | |
| Yeah, Yeti. | ||
| Yeah, Yeti, Neanderthal, I mean Sasquatch, there's like a bunch of different names for them, but it was a real animal that lived, I think they found bones that were as recent as 100,000 years. | ||
| So anatomically modern humans definitely lived in the presence of this thing. | ||
| So what do you attribute all the sightings to in the last five years? | ||
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Bullshit. | |
| Hurt bears. | ||
| Bears hurt their paw. | ||
| They walk on hind feet. | ||
| They do it all the time. | ||
| I think most of it's bullshit. | ||
| The reason I say that is because there's no real compelling evidence other than like a couple of footprints that you think someone could have faked. | ||
| You actually had a show for a while. | ||
| You wanted to talk to all these crazy folks, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Were you ever at any time, like, this guy might have saw something? | ||
| One lady, I think, saw something. | ||
| I don't think she was lying. | ||
| But I think she probably saw a wounded bear. | ||
| And she saw it very briefly. | ||
| And the problem, the real problem with people's memory, especially in some situation that freaks you out, like you think you might have saw a Sasquatch, your brain starts fucking with you. | ||
| It starts filling in the blanks with a bunch of shit. | ||
| And then you start repeating that shit as if it's the actual... | ||
| There's a name for that. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what it is. | ||
| But I would imagine if you're... | ||
| I'm sure you've been... | ||
| You lived in Seattle for a while, right? | ||
| For a little while. | ||
| So you know what it's like when you go up into those mountains. | ||
| It's like so thick. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| I mean, if I was going to go fuck off and get lost somewhere, that would be... | ||
| Dude. | ||
| That's some real wilderness, man. | ||
| Mount Rainier, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God, it's gorgeous. | ||
| But the wilderness is so dense. | ||
| I always describe it as like trying to look through a box of Q-tips. | ||
| It's like a Petri dish. | ||
| Yeah, they're just... | ||
| And the ground is so soft and smushy from all the pine needles. | ||
| So my point is, this lady saw something in the distance. | ||
| She saw elk running, right? | ||
| And then she saw something standing up, and she looked at its face, and she realized it was an ape. | ||
| She's like, oh my god, I see an ape. | ||
| How is there an ape? | ||
| And then she said to herself, oh, it's Bigfoot. | ||
| That's Bigfoot. | ||
| And then it went over through this patch of timber, because everything's super, super dense. | ||
| You know, 10, 20 yards further, and you can't see it anymore. | ||
| She lost it completely. | ||
| But it makes sense that a bear was chasing elk. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They do it all the time. | ||
| They're probably chasing elk. | ||
| There's probably a fawn. | ||
| They're probably trying to get it, and the bear might have been hurt. | ||
| They know how good that shit tastes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the bear might have been hurt, which happens all the time. | ||
| And when bears are hurt, they walk on two legs. | ||
| So if you're looking at this thing, bears can grow nine feet long. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Black bears can be nine feet long. | ||
| A really big black bear. | ||
| So if you're looking at this thing in the Pacific, it's probably rare, but they could be seven feet all day. | ||
| You can find a bunch of seven-foot black bears. | ||
| Those are legitimate. | ||
| So this black bear's walking around seven feet tall, standing up on its hind legs, and you're seeing it through the trees 30 yards away. | ||
| You're like, oh my god, I see Bigfoot. | ||
| So in her head, I don't think she was lying. | ||
| I think she definitely saw a big-ass animal. | ||
| She really believes she saw it. | ||
| She saw elk running, and she saw a big-ass animal in pursuit. | ||
| But it easily could have been a bear. | ||
| And she could have filled in the blanks in her mind with all these false memories that are attributing, like, oh, I saw its face, it looked at me, it made a noise. | ||
| All that stuff, like, people get wacky. | ||
| Like, you think you saw something, and you didn't. | ||
| There's no bodies. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| There's nothing, like, no one's found shit. | ||
| No one's found anything. | ||
| Not a single fucking bone. | ||
| I mean, they found this gigantopithecus bone in an apothecary shop in China. | ||
| Then they did a dig. | ||
| They went back to the spot. | ||
| These anthropologists said, where the fuck did you get this? | ||
| They had this giant primate tooth that wasn't a gorilla, wasn't a human being. | ||
| They're like, where'd you get this? | ||
| And they take them to the spot where they got it, and they find bones. | ||
| They find jaw bones that indicate that it was bipedal. | ||
| It's kind of controversial, apparently. | ||
| But apparently by the way the jaw is designed, they knew that this thing stood upright. | ||
| And it's huge! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I met some dudes from Stornoway, Scotland once, which they looked like they were from another planet. | ||
| They were like the biggest fucking people I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| There was four or five of these guys at this little music festival in Kilkenny, Ireland, and they'd all come down for the festival. | ||
| I mean, I'm not shitting, man. | ||
| They were the biggest people I've ever seen. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| They were just like fucking mountain men who just blocked out the light when they walked through the door and had these long gray hair and beards and shit. | ||
| And they're like, you should come up and play in Stornoway. | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| It only takes eight fucking fairies to get there, you know? | ||
| I would actually love to go up, but... | ||
| I think of those dudes whenever I think of those Atlas Stones. | ||
| Do you know what Atlas Stones are? | ||
| Like the most manly way to work out ever. | ||
| You're basically picking up these enormous balls of stone. | ||
| And these dudes lift them and they get them on their chest and they hoist them onto these blocks. | ||
| They have contests to see who can, like when they do the strongman contests, they pick those Atlas Stones up and put them on progressively higher and higher shelves. | ||
| Giant. | ||
| Giant people. | ||
| Stone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Balls. | ||
| Giant stone balls. | ||
| Those people, I mean, those are the ancestors of the Vikings, for sure, right? | ||
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100%. | |
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| That's where the Vikings turned around, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I'm not mistaken, they got there and they were like, fuck this. | ||
| They shot loads into everybody. | ||
| They got wintertime and then they bailed. | ||
| Let's fuck this place. | ||
| It's always raining. | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
| They took off. | ||
| Too depressing. | ||
| I got some really good buddies now in Glasgow, all musicians you meet over the years touring, and a couple guys particularly that if I go over sometimes I'll do a little pickup band with these guys, and they're both like hard Glaswegians, and my friend Lloyd went to the last time I was over there, he took me up on a proper car trip up to the Highlands and back down, and one day I think we got as far as like... | ||
| Oban or... | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| But yeah, there's parts of that stuff. | ||
| It just... | ||
| It looks like you're on another planet, man. | ||
| I can't even describe it. | ||
| I remember we got out of the car in a couple places and you try to wrap your head around how ancient that shit is. | ||
| And everything that took place there... | ||
| And, you know, how, one, we're just standing outside a car on the side of the road, and I'm like, I am fucking freezing to death. | ||
| You know, in the middle of August, it's just raining literally upside down, and it's not even raining. | ||
| You're just like, it's some harsh, brutal shit. | ||
| Always cold, always wet. | ||
| Always cold, always wet, even when it's not, somehow. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| It would be like sunny, and a mile and a half later, there's like a blizzard. | ||
| It was just like fucking mental, man. | ||
| But it looked like another planet. | ||
| I felt like this could have been a setting out of Star Wars or something. | ||
| Yeah, if you think about it, when you think about Scottish people, you always think of hardy, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Hardy, tough people. | ||
| Hardy. | ||
| That instantly comes to mind. | ||
| Well, you know, another weird thing about it is you always appear, Americans especially, like where you're from, your ancestry and this and that. | ||
| I grew up in eastern Kentucky and then moved to central Kentucky, but most of the early settlers in the Appalachian region was predominantly Scotch-Irish and some German. | ||
| So the first time I went to Scotland to play music, I had jet lag. | ||
| And the first morning I woke up like really early, you know, and I was like, fuck, I might as well go walk around and check things out and get out of the city. | ||
| And everything's kind of coming to life and people are going to work. | ||
| And I'm looking around at the faces, man. | ||
| And I realized, I was like, yep, I might as well be in Hazard, Kentucky right now. | ||
| It's the same stoic, very guarded, you know, disposition, but then, like, once you get to know them, and especially once you become friends, it's just like they would do anything for you. | ||
| It's a very regal, stoic, working-class city. | ||
| There's something really special in magic about Glasgow. | ||
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Damn. | |
| But it just kind of hit me, like, this is definitely where my fucking people came from, you know? | ||
| Like, that might as well be my Uncle Bobby right there. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| The people that live there today, man, like, they get to go by castles and shit. | ||
| There's castles near there. | ||
| You drive by a castle. | ||
| And how old are those castles? | ||
| Like, what's the oldest castle in Scotland? | ||
| I'm not sure what the oldest one. | ||
| I mean, there's... | ||
| Like, what's an old one? | ||
| A thousand years old? | ||
| I think the one in Edinburgh is probably 1,200 years old. | ||
| A guy invented penicillin. | ||
| Imagine going back and looking at it. | ||
| Yeah, 12, 14, 1600 years. | ||
| We played somewhere in Ireland in this little town and across the street from the hotel was this guard tower that had been there for 1300 fucking years and there was like Viking boats they had on display around. | ||
| I'm just thinking, yeah, somebody a thousand years ago was up in that window with a bow and arrow. | ||
| That's all they had. | ||
| That's all they had. | ||
| Shooting arrows down, invading people. | ||
| It gives you perspective, though, especially Europe in terms of old world isn't that old when you think about China or a lot of Southeast Asian cultures. | ||
| You're talking about 10,000, 15,000. | ||
| Europe is a good example for me. | ||
| Every time I go, it gives me perspective because you think about everything happening in our country and everybody's like, oh, it's fucking going to hell. | ||
| We're such a baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, there's churches over there that are five times older than the United States, and it's still working somehow. | ||
| Yeah, the oldest shit we have is like, when I was living in Boston, there was a cemetery that you could go to where you could see tombstones from like the 1700s. | ||
| And you can barely read it. | ||
| They were all weathered and worn out. | ||
| Someone tapped that shit with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the 1700s. | ||
| And you can just go over and touch it. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| But people touch it too much. | ||
| Because the numbers are all fucking worn off and shit. | ||
| Look at that one right there. | ||
| Which is this one? | ||
| It's a cathedral built in 1471. It's the oldest building in Glasgow, I think. | ||
| 1471. The coolest gig I ever played was in London. | ||
| It's called St. Pancras. | ||
| It's this old church building, which I think monks at one time, they built it acoustically and designed it out of stone for choirs. | ||
| It was the most insanely beautiful natural reverb I'd ever heard in my life. | ||
| It's like right around King's Cross, kind of a busy intersection. | ||
| Is that it right there? | ||
| St. Pancras? | ||
| No, that's the train station. | ||
| Look at St. Pancras Old Church. | ||
| It was really special, though. | ||
| I remember walking in for soundcheck and I was like, I don't give a fuck if anybody comes tonight. | ||
| I just get to sit here and play my guitar in this room. | ||
| Is it right here? | ||
| That's it, yeah. | ||
| It's like a little pewed building. | ||
| And so the way they built the whole place reverberates, all the rounded edges and everything? | ||
| Actually, that's the side hall. | ||
| And then there was a... | ||
| See the one? | ||
| Third from the right? | ||
| The darker one? | ||
| Yeah, the dark. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Wow, that's beautiful, man. | ||
| Yeah, it was really special. | ||
| So if somebody wanted to look at this, Jamie, what is the image if someone's listening to this? | ||
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St. Pacras. | |
| P-A-N-C-R-A-S. Pancras. | ||
| P-A-N-C-R-A-S. How beautiful is that construction? | ||
| It's the oldest standing house of worship. | ||
| I don't want to hope I'm not misquoting this, but I think it's like the oldest church in the United Kingdom. | ||
| And it's in the center of London. | ||
| Wow, so they designed it so that people could play acoustically? | ||
| It was built to sing in. | ||
| Like, you just be like... | ||
| Does the thing that the old keyboard effects just have built in? | ||
| It's that like... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That bloom on everything. | ||
| When I was a kid, I lived down the street from this place called Echo Bridge. | ||
| And Echo Bridge is near Newton-Upper Falls. | ||
| And it's this place where we'd all go hang out and drink. | ||
| But if you get underneath the bridge, it gave you this crazy echo. | ||
| Just, like, ridiculous, ridiculous, ridiculous. | ||
| Hello, hello. | ||
| That's shit geeks like me walk around constantly listening for. | ||
| Yeah, every kid in my high school thought he was Billy Squire when he'd go down there, you know? | ||
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Lonely is the night when you find yourself alone. | |
| You'd be screaming it like a fucking dork. | ||
| Remember we knew how to do the Van Halen thing on our notebook? | ||
| The VH. The logo. | ||
| That was my first concert. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That freaked me out. | ||
| Van Halen, they were amazing. | ||
| I had a buddy. | ||
| I used to work at this grocery store in Nashville when I was out kicking it around. | ||
| This guy was really cool. | ||
| He was older. | ||
| He was in his 50s. | ||
| He was local. | ||
| He grew up in Nashville. | ||
| He was a big music guy. | ||
| He saw every show that ever came through town in the 70s and 80s. | ||
| He grew up in that. | ||
| He'd always tell me about the shows. | ||
| He saw Van Halen at the the little coliseum in nashville like down on the north side of town back in i think he said 77 so it was before the first album had come out and they were opening for black sabbath and you know but this time deep purple and all these like riff rock bands were just sort of the thing wow and he said these guys come out and he said it was like a bomb exploded in that fucking place man look eddie's like doing backflips off his amp and all that crazy shit nobody ever heard that stuff you know wow and he said | ||
| then Sabbath came out and everybody basically walked out after the third song because they realized they had just seen what was next. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Man. | ||
| I saw Kiss when I was like 10. 10 or 11 years old. | ||
| I saw him live. | ||
| Were you into them? | ||
| Totally into them. | ||
| Yeah, I was really into them, and my uncle worked for their advertising company that designed the album covers. | ||
| Howard Marks Advertising Company, they're the ones that did... | ||
| Well, he's a genius. | ||
| Howard Marks? | ||
| The marketing... | ||
| Yeah, whoever's handling the marketing on that shit. | ||
| Well, it was my uncle Vinny and his friend Dennis were the artists. | ||
| They would make the album covers. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so I got to meet H. Freely without his makeup. | ||
| I was like 11. Ace Frehley is actually the first guy who ever did the harmonic tapping on tape. | ||
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Really? | |
| That Eddie later got all the acclaim. | ||
| He took it and ran with it. | ||
| But I think the first time that was ever recorded was on a Kiss song. | ||
| Somebody using that technique. | ||
| He was fucking phenomenal, man. | ||
| Apparently a really nice guy too, right? | ||
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Ace? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I never met him. | ||
| I know that he didn't get along with some of the other guys, like Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. | ||
| Because they're all fucking pricks. | ||
| I think the Ace, I think, is supposed to be like the sweetheart of the guy that's... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Paul Stanley was nice. | ||
| He was a nice guy. | ||
| Gene Simmons has been nice to me. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, obviously everybody knows. | ||
| It's part of their thing, man. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they've been rock stars for so long. | ||
| I mean, think about that. | ||
| They were rock stars in the 70s. | ||
| They were rock stars when it meant something else. | ||
| Yeah, it's different. | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
| I'm not sure if it even is necessary. | ||
| Do we really need whatever that is? | ||
| Rock stars? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| We know too much about them. | ||
| All the mystery's gone. | ||
| You know, it used to be like Robert Plant would come down on fucking magic carpet. | ||
| We didn't know where he was coming from. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He would show up. | ||
| He probably at the time thought he was on one. | ||
| And just think about Robert Plant in his prime, right? | ||
| Who the fuck ever saw anything like that before? | ||
| They were taking Elvis off the Ed Sullivan show because he was shaking his hips. | ||
| Robert Plant has got a piece on him. | ||
| And it's pressed up against his pants. | ||
| His pants are as tight as a glove. | ||
| He's got no shirt. | ||
| His shirt is completely open, right? | ||
| His completely bare-chested, long hair, and a voice that you never heard before. | ||
| You never heard someone sing like, Hold Out of Love. | ||
| I mean, it's just, he's doing something different. | ||
| He's got some new thing going on. | ||
| And you don't know shit about him. | ||
| There's no fucking podcast that he does. | ||
| He doesn't have a Twitter page where he says stupid shit about Trump. | ||
| Yeah, they actually never did any interviews. | ||
| Good. | ||
| And he didn't release singles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Actually, a lot of people didn't know. | ||
| You hear all these classic songs on the radio now, but they never put singles. | ||
| They refused to do singles. | ||
| They didn't do press. | ||
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Dude, there he is. | |
| If you wanted to see Led Zeppelin, you had to go to the show. | ||
| Yeah, look at his cock. | ||
| Look. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| Look at his cock. | ||
| He wants you to. | ||
| And that's pressed up against his pants. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if he had a sock there, but I want to believe that he was just up there slinging dick. | ||
| A dude was like 17 when that first record came out. | ||
| And he wasn't even the first choice. | ||
| They went through a few people Jimmy Page did when he put the band together. | ||
| One of my favorite singers of all time. | ||
| I love Robert Plant, but I always felt like if Steve Marriott, I always wanted to hear what that would sound like. | ||
| The guy from Humble Pie. | ||
| Fucking incredible voice. | ||
| Was he supposed to be? | ||
| I want to say maybe Page wanted him, but he couldn't do it. | ||
| I know they talked to maybe Rod Stewart. | ||
| Was it Faces at the time or earlier? | ||
| I know Robert Plant wasn't choice number one. | ||
| And they had to talk Bonneman to take the gig. | ||
| Paige and John Paul Jones had known each other through session work in the mid-60s, and when the Yardbirds broke up, Jimmy somehow thought he had rights to the name, and he wanted to put together a super band of all his favorite musicians he played with. | ||
| And Bonham was recommended by the bass player, John Paul Jones, but they had to go and talk him into it, because he was playing with bands at the time that paid him a lot more money. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And Jimmy had to explain what they were trying to accomplish and sell him on the idea. | ||
| But that was sort of like bands that are put together by labels. | ||
| Jimmy Page was a genius and a very visionary kind of guy, so he knew he needed to build this band to take over the world, and that's what he did. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Great producer, too. | ||
| Fucking phenomenal guitarist, right? | ||
| Probably one of the most inventive guitar players ever. | ||
| A lot of people say sometimes, especially later when he's on the morphine, sometimes it can be a little sloppy, but I like that. | ||
| I hate perfect. | ||
| There's probably nothing more boring than perfect. | ||
| Is the sound of a guitar similar to a voice? | ||
| Sometimes the dude will have a raspy, crazy, fucked up voice and it just makes it, right? | ||
| I mean, yeah, any real artist player with an instrument, it doesn't matter what the guitar is or the amp or anything. | ||
| Anybody that has their thing, they can pick up anything and within three notes you just know it's that person. | ||
| What do you think of that? | ||
| How do you say his name? | ||
| Ray LaMontagne? | ||
| Is that how you say it? | ||
| Yeah, he's like a songwriter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know that song, Jolene? | ||
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I do. | |
| Have you heard that song? | ||
| Yeah, he's got a really cool voice, man. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| My buddy Dan did a record with him, and I've never met him, but no, he's a really cool vibe. | ||
| Dude, his voice is insane. | ||
| I think he's kind of like, he was sort of, if I'm not mistaken, I'm going to be like, well, sort of came into it later like I did. | ||
| He had jobs and shit before and then just started doing it. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And found success later on. | ||
| I think that makes sense with a lot of people, man. | ||
| I just think... | ||
| People like Justin Bieber, like, he's got a way harder road. | ||
| It's a way harder road to try to figure out who the fuck you are. | ||
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Dude, can you imagine? | |
| Like, all things considered... | ||
| He's probably handling it okay. | ||
| He's handling it phenomenally. | ||
| You think about... | ||
| He was, what, fucking eight? | ||
| He's only 24! | ||
| He's 24 years old? | ||
| He's 24 right now. | ||
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Holy shit! | |
| And all this has already happened. | ||
| Just turned 24. And he's rolling around on a G7. That's his day-to-day, you know? | ||
| He does whatever the fuck he wants, dude. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| You know, you don't pay attention to things. | ||
| I'm not like a... | ||
| I'm not glued into pop culture, but somehow you just can't not know what Justin Bieber's up to once a month just walking around the world anymore. | ||
| I would say that kid, for most people to be handed that type of existence and all of that scrutiny and all the shit that comes along with that, that does things to people, you know? | ||
| It definitely does. | ||
| Especially if your personality is not even formed yet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't imagine. | ||
| Like, I'm so grateful I got into this business at 35. Yeah. | ||
| And not 21. I was talking to my friend John this weekend about this. | ||
| And I was saying that it's almost like if you made an epoxy, right? | ||
| You know, if you have epoxy, you just put a couple ingredients in. | ||
| Like, there's one thing and you mix it with another thing and then it hardens. | ||
| But if you add some shit in that that's not supposed to be there, and it's fully developed, you're not going to take that shit out. | ||
| Like, if you added oil, you threw some oil in the epoxy, like, ah, now you fucked that whole thing up. | ||
| That's kind of what you're doing to a person when you raise a person famous. | ||
| If you take some reality star from the time they're five, and then they're in a sitcom and a movie, and then you've gone through your whole... | ||
| I don't know why I said reality star, but you've gone through your whole life If you're that person, if you're Justin Bieber, you've gone through your whole life. | ||
| Under that eye. | ||
| Under the eye. | ||
| And it's gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and more and more people paying attention. | ||
| Like you never had a moment like you did where you're working for the railroad tracks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or like, you know, I did going on the road for years or some of the jobs that I had before I was ever a comedian. | ||
| They don't have any of those. | ||
| They don't have the wondering if you could pay your bill feeling. | ||
| They don't know that feeling. | ||
| They don't have the... | ||
| See, I still feel like that. | ||
| You know, that's what's fucked up my wife. | ||
| I'm just like... | ||
| I'm still like... | ||
| I'll never not feel like that. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From never... | ||
| Never really had money or anything like that or had any aspirations to own a house or those kind of things. | ||
| So it's just... | ||
| You know, especially with kids now. | ||
| Like, I just don't... | ||
| There's no... | ||
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Flamboyance... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But now he lives a different life where people like Rihanna, they're like literally citizens of the world and any day of the week they could be in some five-star hotel and God knows where, you know. | ||
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Yeah, God knows where. | |
| You know, it's a crazy way to live. | ||
| Very bizarre. | ||
| Jet setting, flying around. | ||
| I couldn't do it, man, because there's no way. | ||
| I don't ever want to wake up and have that kind of career because it takes so many people around you on a daily basis just to maintain and keep a machine that large rolling, logistically speaking, that you become enslaved to the job. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because you have all these... | ||
| There's always this name. | ||
| When you have Superstar X, you put this head right here and then everything below that just to make that thing go around. | ||
| It just turns into this... | ||
| It's like a corporation, really, with 20 semi-trucks and all this shit. | ||
| You've got to go out and make that happen because now all these people depend on you for their livelihoods and careers and... | ||
| So then that's going to affect the artistic decisions you make because you have to stay relevant, culturally speaking. | ||
| And if you want to do something different next time, well now this massive fanbase isn't really going to fucking deal with that very well. | ||
| Like when Beastie Boys put out Paul's Boutique. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| People went, what the fuck? | ||
| But now it's one of the greatest records ever made. | ||
| But people back then didn't know what to handle. | ||
| They didn't know what to do with that. | ||
| They didn't have the Beastie Boys classified in the artist box. | ||
| They had them in the pop music box. | ||
| So this is silly. | ||
| You gotta fight for your right to party. | ||
| We get it. | ||
| You guys are partiers. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you know... | ||
| Paul's Boutique is like, whoa, what is this? | ||
| David Bowie went from Ziggy Stardust to doing a soul album in like nine months with Luther Vandross. | ||
| Yeah, wow. | ||
| Those are huge, classic, amazing records now, but you realize those guys were playing in theaters when all that shit happened. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| And he's just like, I'm done with this. | ||
| I'm going to go do this now. | ||
| You literally can't see anymore because I fucking killed it on stage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's over. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Do you think Rod Stewart gets enough credit? | ||
| I don't, actually. | ||
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I don't either. | |
| I think, especially Man of Faces, and even his early solo records, those are some amazing albums. | ||
| His voice is incredible. | ||
| You know what happened to him? | ||
| I love Rod Stewart. | ||
| What? | ||
| The hits. | ||
| He got too much pussy. | ||
| Do you think I'm sexy? | ||
| He fried his brain. | ||
| Once he hit that, everybody's like, check, please. | ||
| He's like, wait, that's all I gotta do? | ||
| Because remember, go back to Maggie Mae, you know? | ||
| Wake up, Maggie! | ||
| Like, that song was... | ||
| There was something in that song, right? | ||
| There was a guy trying to figure his life out, hanging out with some chick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, Rod Stewart's a badass man. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| No question. | ||
| What is that song? | ||
| Is it called Maggie Mae? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Him and Elton John, all those guys, like, that's... | ||
| Yeah, he was a beast. | ||
| It was a different level. | ||
| But then he started wearing, like, leopard-tight pants and shit. | ||
| Because he could. | ||
| I mean, look at that shit. | ||
| It ain't like it's not working, you know what I mean? | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Look at that look. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He actually was, I think he almost played professional soccer for Celtic or somebody. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He was like a really great soccer player when he was a kid, but he was too small. | ||
| And he's another one, right? | ||
| Basically, you're never going to see one of those again. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| You're never going to see a lot of things again, just because there's just nobody that's... | ||
| Actually, that's not necessarily true. | ||
| You might see more things now, because... | ||
| That's true, too, right? | ||
| I'm getting ahead of myself. | ||
| For all intents, I shouldn't be here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It wasn't an industry creation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So now, anything really is possible. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| You just have to fight and sift through so much shit, most of it mediocrity, to get to something that really hits you or that you connect with. | ||
| Well, I think that you're also saying this out of your own personal experiences, where you realize you could have not been you. | ||
| Like, easily. | ||
| You could have not turned out into being you. | ||
| Oh, if I'd have sat down in a room with a bunch of people who know what's best, I wouldn't have been me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You and most people that are successful. | |
| My first record, we did shop to a few labels in town, but I was a little bit ahead of the whole neo-trad curve that sort of kicked off in the last few years. | ||
| I made this really traditional country record. | ||
| But it was like hard country. | ||
| It was very... | ||
| Like an album I'd always wanted to make. | ||
| And we shopped it to a few people and they just didn't really know. | ||
| It wasn't the right time. | ||
| So nothing came of it. | ||
| So we self-released it. | ||
| So then when I did the second one, Metamodern, and now I've got this whole record about like, you know, mind... | ||
| The journey of a soul or a mind or whatever, talking about turtles and fucking tripping and shit. | ||
| I knew nobody is going to get this. | ||
| I can waste time trying to find somebody to release it or we can just put the damn thing out. | ||
| And I'm so glad we did it that way. | ||
| Just because I know what happened was a result of people hearing it. | ||
| And sharing that with their friends. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| That's how I found out about it. | ||
| I found out about it for people online. | ||
| And I gotta tell you, the cover of it threw me off at first. | ||
| The cover of it, I was like, what? | ||
| That was me being a smartass, because I was like, there's all this, like... | ||
| You know, you go to these festivals and stuff. | ||
| I'm like a grown-ass man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Work fucking stupid jobs. | ||
| Now I was in this, all of a sudden, in this position of going out and playing all these festivals and looking at these kids and stuff, doing it and all. | ||
| And it's just great. | ||
| You make a lot of friends. | ||
| But there's a lot in any industry. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| like for the wrong reasons you know what i mean like chasing something they want to see themselves in as opposed to something they see within themselves right right and so we started doing these festivals and there's a lot like what they call like the younger hipster kids and stuff when they had these 10 type photos that were really popular a few years ago and i was like well how can i out hipster the hipsters so i'll do a painting of a 10 type photo and surround it by like the tackiest outer space they did | ||
| My buddy that I did the thing with, we were actually trying to make the worst album cover of the year. | ||
| We ended up making a top 10 list on Rolling Stone. | ||
| We didn't get the cherry, but I was like, let's just make the tackiest fucking thing we possibly can. | ||
| Like those cheesy fonts and... | ||
| It's kind of crazy. | ||
| Because the music, to me, was so heavy and personal and real. | ||
| So I was like, God, man, I don't want to be... | ||
| I kind of wanted to make fun of the dude levitating in the fucking cave before people turn you into that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because that's not at all... | ||
| A lot of the shit was just stuff I'd been reading about or, you know, you're in character. | ||
| Yeah, but it was psychedelic country music. | ||
| Well, which is a lot... | ||
| I love a lot of 60s rock, and some of my favorite country records ever made were made in the late 60s. | ||
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Some of the... | |
| Gene Clark and some of the early Vern Gosden brothers type stuff. | ||
| There was this level of psychedelia in the production that made it so beautiful. | ||
| I've got to get a list of shit to listen to you. | ||
| Yeah, I'll throw you some shit, man. | ||
| But then, talented guys, and I was kind of a taskmaster, so it was such a young band because they wanted to play loud, and you've got to pull things back, or like... | ||
| kind of thing get it down to the structure of the songs and we spent like three months on the road just carving those songs out in the arrangements I had it pretty much you know duck pussy type which is waterproof and then you know we came off the road and went right into the studio the next day for four days and just banged it out So you just were in the groove. | ||
| Yeah, basically just plug up like five mics, don't move anything, and just lay it all down. | ||
| And then Dave and I, with the mixing, and then he had some great ideas in post-production, like getting the sounds around. | ||
| But then you come back, and we had all these separated recordings. | ||
| So to me, I realized the real fun is putting everything in sequence and making these cycle... | ||
| To maximize, I guess, the emotiveness of the records. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In terms of a rollercoaster of emotions. | ||
| You know, instead of just one... | ||
| So, like, every time we do it now, it's always different. | ||
| Like, the record I did after that was... | ||
| Recorded that one a totally different way. | ||
| Still going fast, but, you know, I always wanted to make a big kind of lush orchestral soul record. | ||
| And then what I've learned is that I don't want to be in the music business because... | ||
| I'm just going to be in the Sturgill business because there's this mechanical timeline of it all. | ||
| By the time we go in and make that record, you're so, you've been processing and thinking about it so much for months. | ||
| And you get in and you have that release and it's like, I equate it to driving in a really heavy downpour rainstorm for like an extended period of time, which is like there's a mental exhaustion that comes forward, but you have to just kind of like keep going. | ||
| And by the time it's finished and mixed, you've heard this thing like a thousand times. | ||
| You don't ever want to hear it again. | ||
| But now you've got to go out and play it on the road every night for a year and a half. | ||
| So we're constantly trying to reinvent every night how to keep that fresh and exciting while holding the pause button on going over here and recording what creatively you may already be onto. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So I realized this year I'm going to take the reins and I'm going to play 30 festivals because those things are always so fun just to go out and get all the energy in your face and then we're going to do probably a double album and another record and record it all so that when I do turn around I want to go do a really big long two year tour we have all this new material and the old stuff to pull from. | ||
| I like how you're approaching it so you're approaching it like a plan. | ||
| It is a plan. | ||
| You have to look at it like a plan. | ||
| Do you think everybody does that? | ||
| Well, there's all kinds of different plans. | ||
| I just know what works for me. | ||
| I've learned, more importantly, what works for my family and my sanity. | ||
| I don't need to go play 300 shows a year. | ||
| I'd rather go play... | ||
| 30 or 60 shows and know that every one of those was 110% as opposed to, you know, you got the Tuesday and Wednesday shows to get you to this weekend market where everybody's counting their checks already and shit and you're exhausted and then the shows suffer and these people pay money or maybe they don't realize that like you can't hear anything for 40 minutes because you don't ever want to project negativity. | ||
| from the stage if you can help it but there's you know the bad nights i just want every night to be great and then but most importantly right now for me the fun is is the studio and the the process of trying to push it and get to what's next yeah you do totally different albums every time you put an album out it's a completely different i'm a music listener and lover first and foremost probably a musicologist more than a musician at this point is that a word Yeah, that's my field of study. | ||
| Musicologist? | ||
| Yeah, if I had to say that I have obsessed over one subject enough to where somebody should probably give me a fucking piece of paper that says I know what I'm talking about, it's probably music. | ||
| When did it start? | ||
| Did you have this your whole life? | ||
| Early, yeah, my whole life. | ||
| Honestly, first time from Michael Jackson, maybe. | ||
| You know what's kind of fucked up about this? | ||
| What? | ||
| You wouldn't have been you if you didn't come into this so late. | ||
| No, hell no. | ||
| But think of your whole life, right? | ||
| Your whole life you loved music. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could have easily just been on a path from the time you were in high school. | ||
| Well, I always played, but I'm glad I never recorded anything until... | ||
| Yeah, because when you're younger, you know, like Eric Clapton. | ||
| I love Eric Clapton. | ||
| Huge influence. | ||
| Never met the guy. | ||
| But there's great documentaries came up. | ||
| But you can look back in his career. | ||
| He was so young and passionate and talented. | ||
| There's one particular record he did with a guy named John Mayle. | ||
| It was like kind of the birth of like rock and roll guitar tone. | ||
| It's the first time everybody plugged a Les Paul into a Marshall and just cranked the fucking thing. | ||
| And that record, that sound, everybody's like, whoa, that was a thing that happened. | ||
| But you can look at his career, and he was such a chameleon going through all these phases, and a lot of it was emulation or reinterpretation because he got into substance abuse. | ||
| But you can see... | ||
| How much his career shaped him more so than all the people he'd been around and his friends wasn't exposed to and him rubbing off on them and vice versa. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Anybody in their 20s is still, anybody I know in their 20s is definitely still figuring out who they are as a person, much less an artist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm almost 40 and I'm still figuring out who I am as an artist, you know. | ||
| Because every year, you're going to feel different every fucking day, much less two years from now when it's time to make a record. | ||
| Yeah, and you're going to change it up as you see fit. | ||
| You're going to go with what's going on in your mind right now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a beautiful thing, right? | ||
| You don't have a... | ||
| I mean, even though you have a whole sort of entity behind you in terms of people carrying your stuff and all the jazz that's going on, all the equipment that's involved in doing one of your shows... | ||
| Yeah, very few people. | ||
| How many people you got? | ||
| Myself, three members of the band, we have a tour manager, we have our side monitor sound guy, the front sound guy, and my merch girl. | ||
| So you got 12 people? | ||
| Nine people on the bus with the drivers, and I'll always be in one bus. | ||
| We got one truck to haul the gear and All that shit. | ||
| That's pretty minimal compared to some bands. | ||
| In respect to what you do, it kind of shows you do that. | ||
| That is pretty minimal. | ||
| I would keep it there as long as possible, no matter what happens. | ||
| Just because I've never been a big lights guy or any of that stuff. | ||
| The guys in my band are all pretty amazing players we try to go out and put a show on. | ||
| If you were doing something else, though, like say if you were a part of a band, that band was being promoted very heavily by some record company that had put the band together, you know, they do like those manufactured bands or something like that, you'd be in a situation where you're basically required to do commercially successful and viable music. | ||
| You couldn't just... | ||
| Free ball like you're doing and doing whatever you want to do. | ||
| Honestly, I don't know, man. | ||
| All I know is what's happened to me. | ||
| And most of my friends are people that just kind of do their thing. | ||
| But there definitely is that element. | ||
| But there's, you know... | ||
| I never thought I'd ever sign with a record label. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I never had any interest in it whatsoever. | ||
| When things kind of took off, all of them came knocking. | ||
| But it was working fine by ourselves, just sort of subcontracting my team and... | ||
| The only reason any artist should ever sign with a record label is for larger recording budgets, you know, a larger toolbox in which to use to make your product, let's call it, for lack of a better term. | ||
| So they have serious places where you can go to. | ||
| You can get to ridiculous studios. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| I still record in my favorite studio in Nashville. | ||
| There's nothing fancy about it. | ||
| It's just money for... | ||
| The players and gear you might not have, and then mixing, and then more time to spend in the studio. | ||
| We did MetaModern in three or four days because we had to. | ||
| Dark Side of the Moon was made in like nine months. | ||
| Was it really? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was definitely like two separate extended sessions. | ||
| For me, that's the fun is sitting in that room and figuring out how to break shit and make sounds I haven't heard before. | ||
| You need time to do that. | ||
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You need, you know, money. | |
| But you can make great records for very little money too. | ||
| So what's the benefit of having a record company? | ||
| They pay for the gear? | ||
| They pay for production? | ||
| The benefit of having a record company is simply somebody else's pockets. | ||
| It all comes back on you. | ||
| We don't want to pull the curtain back too much here. | ||
| I looked at it as like Going into business with a bank for at least two records, I'll take out a loan that I'm pretty sure I'll never pay back. | ||
| Because the recoup, you know, it's in there. | ||
| But I feel like I'm more of like a... | ||
| It all comes down to the bean counters eventually. | ||
| My records sell two, 300,000 copies and at some point they'll have to decide whether that's fiscally viable to them anymore because they don't make any money off me unless I sell records. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It was a very friendly structured deal. | ||
| Touring and all that publishing shit is completely separate. | ||
| It has nothing to do. | ||
| I just make records. | ||
| And they have to sell them. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I get to make the records that I maybe couldn't or would make on my own. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But outside of that, a record company provides marketing or reach or push or even, sadly, in the music business, there's probably less bullshit in politics. | ||
| There may even be less politics in politics. | ||
| You know, I probably would not have been up for album of the year at the Grammys last year had I been on 30 Tigers as opposed to Atlantic Records. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Right. | |
| I think it was a great record. | ||
| I know I deserved to be there, but it wouldn't have happened if you didn't have that kind of weight at the table. | ||
| That's very honest. | ||
| And that can make you feel, like, jaded against it all, or you can be like, okay, well, you know, Wiz Khalifa, they probably spend more money marketing one single for Wiz Khalifa than my entire project costs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So because they make all those records, and Bruno Mars or whoever sells 18 gazillion records, guys like me get to make records. | ||
| And that's how it works. | ||
| It's a trickle-down Right, and it's all based on the money that they made from a long time ago, really, and then maintaining some sort of grip on the community now. | ||
| Oh, they're still making money, man. | ||
| The streaming thing, you know, they're all in bed now with the streaming services. | ||
| Yeah, we've talked about this before. | ||
| You've seen profits steadily climb back up. | ||
| For them, but not really for artists. | ||
| Not really for the artists. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| I have nothing against Spotify. | ||
| I know people are like, fuck that shit, but look at it like this, man. | ||
| The people that are streaming music, they're not buying records anyway. | ||
| But they're still finding your music. | ||
| They're still telling their friends about it. | ||
| They're still coming to your show, which is how we get paid, playing shows. | ||
| Yeah, they're still your fans. | ||
| So you have to either embrace it or go fucking do something else. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| But now when Spotify starts kicking songwriters 12 points, then yeah, I'll do commercials for them. | ||
| Until then. | ||
| But they are doing, whether you realize it or not, it does count up. | ||
| It counts up, but it is a weird thing. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| When your business model is based on you selling art and you don't pay for it. | ||
| Specifically, I feel more like Atlantic went into business with me. | ||
| I feel, in many ways, still feel like a very independent-minded artist. | ||
| I don't go to meetings. | ||
| Nobody's telling me what to do. | ||
| I don't have a manager or even technically a publicist at this point. | ||
| I'm just sort of floating and writing songs and making records, and then we go play shows. | ||
| If you could just keep that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's where I've... | ||
| In the last five years figured out where I want to be. | ||
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Right. | |
| And what parts of it mean and something to me and I know I'm getting and giving back with the fans. | ||
| Well, I think it's also if you can stick into that groove, you stay in that groove right there, you can maintain who you are. | ||
| You can still explore new ideas. | ||
| You're not being pushed too much. | ||
| If you were being pushed to constantly produce new stuff and I could imagine that wears on artists. | ||
| I just spent so much of my early life working for other people. | ||
| I just made a point one day before I moved to Nashville, I'm not going to do that ever again. | ||
| I don't want to work for anybody else. | ||
| Unless it's somebody I really admire or is a really exciting, creative thing that I feel like I could benefit from or learn from being involved with. | ||
| I understand a thousand percent. | ||
| But what's interesting is when I talk about it on the podcast, sometimes people who don't do that, they do work for someone. | ||
| They have a job. | ||
| They get upset. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They feel like it sounds like you're talking down on jobs. | ||
| But the reality is you're working there for money. | ||
| We've all done it. | ||
| Everybody's worked for money. | ||
| Everybody's worked for money. | ||
| Some of my jobs, I love the railroad gig. | ||
| If this all gave up tomorrow, I actually could be just fine. | ||
| I'd go back to the railroad and be totally happy. | ||
| Go out and throw switches 12 hours a day, have my four days off, make a good salary, whistle while I work, all that shit, man. | ||
| It doesn't hurt to have a plan B, but no, working for other people was never something I enjoyed. | ||
| But I think anybody that even hears us say that, the reality is if someone gave them the option, you don't have to work ever again. | ||
| They'd go, okay. | ||
| What would you do though? | ||
| You'd do whatever you want. | ||
| What I would do? | ||
| I would fill my day up with learning shit. | ||
| You're one of the busiest fucking people I know though. | ||
| You don't have a job, but you're a very proactive human being. | ||
| You know, you do whatever you want all day long, but it doesn't mean you're not working, you're not benefiting. | ||
| I do whatever I want, but I earn it. | ||
| Like, I do shit. | ||
| I earn it. | ||
| I feel like I have to work. | ||
| The thing with my job is it doesn't feel like work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There are parts that did feel like work that I identified that really have nothing to do with what I want to wake up and do every day. | ||
| So now I just don't do those things anymore. | ||
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Right. | |
| And now it's like, you know... | ||
| The travel sometimes feels like work. | ||
| The things that I do don't feel like work. | ||
| This stuff definitely never feels like work. | ||
| Podcasts don't feel like work. | ||
| Stand-up doesn't feel like work. | ||
| Working for the UFC doesn't feel like work. | ||
| Those things don't feel like work. | ||
| But the stuff in between those things, to make sure those things work well, that's the work. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like working out, writing and stuff. | ||
| Do you handle the day-to-day admin? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I don't have anybody. | ||
| I don't have an assistant. | ||
| My take is always, if you need an assistant, just do less shit. | ||
| You don't want someone that you have to constantly check in on and make sure they've got their shit together. | ||
| And I've had some friends that had assistants and then your life becomes their life and your problems become their problems. | ||
| Their problems become your problems as well. | ||
| Anybody you invite into your life, you're inviting their problems into your life. | ||
| That's ultimately what I've learned. | ||
| And it's also, I don't necessarily think in my case it's necessary. | ||
| Maybe other people are more busy and they need assistants and I have a lot of friends who have assistants. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| I don't function that way. | ||
| When I wake up, I have a bunch of shit I want to do today. | ||
| I set my alarm clock, and I have a schedule. | ||
| But that schedule's mine. | ||
| I made it. | ||
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That's yours. | |
| Yeah, when I went running today. | ||
| You change it whenever you want to. | ||
| Whatever the fuck I want. | ||
| My tour manager is like the sweetest, most empathetic human being I've ever met. | ||
| He's not just responsible for me. | ||
| He's like the babysitter and the mother of the whole family. | ||
| But like sometimes if we've been on the bus for a while or rolling, more than anything to give everybody else a break and do them a favor, I'll go off on my own and like stay at a different hotel or I'll go to a different city for two days. | ||
| And he's always like, you know, he's from New Zealand. | ||
| He's like so sweet. | ||
| He's like fucking gigantic. | ||
| He's like, would you like me to book your room? | ||
| No, I got it, man. | ||
| He's like, are you sure? | ||
| And he's almost like, I almost feel like I'm hurting his feelings because I won't let him take care of my day. | ||
| It's like, motherfucker, I got Priceline. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I can do this. | ||
| People don't expect you to be doing that, though. | ||
| That's what's interesting, right? | ||
| They want to be able to handle it so you don't have to do the mundane things that a normal person does. | ||
| So you got eight other people to take care of right now. | ||
| I'm a grown-ass man. | ||
| Yeah, I would never want to do what you were saying John Lennon did, just lay around, walk around naked, and I can't do it. | ||
| I don't think he liked to work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he was a true artist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I mean, I get it. | ||
| But for me, it's almost like I know what makes me feel like shit, and I know what makes me feel good. | ||
| What makes me feel good is when I get shit done. | ||
| What makes me feel like shit is when I'm lazy, then I get anxiety, I feel weird, I don't feel good, I don't feel like I'm getting anything done. | ||
| And people think that, oh, because I work hard and I'm constantly doing something, then I never feel like that. | ||
| No, I definitely will feel like that. | ||
| That's why I do it. | ||
| I just saw something recently. | ||
| They proved that Task completion, your brain releases a chemical that makes you fucking feel great. | ||
| Oh yeah, man. | ||
| I did this. | ||
| I did something on purpose. | ||
| When you finish your album, when you're done. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But it's also terrifying. | ||
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I'm sure. | |
| Because you're like, God, I gotta release that. | ||
| People are gonna hear that shit. | ||
| But yeah, it does feel like a release is the best way to put it. | ||
| Yeah, I think everybody should experience that, even in a small... | ||
| I think little kids get that when they earn their fucking karate belts. | ||
| And you see a little kid get a yellow belt, and they tie it on, they're beaming this face. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| Like, they can't believe it. | ||
| I did it! | ||
| I did it! | ||
| I give my oldest a high-five for anything, and it's like you see them light up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just, like, that affirmation. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Getting something done. | ||
| They did it. | ||
| It didn't... | ||
| I mean, think about... | ||
| Especially when you're talking about, like, little children. | ||
| Like, my seven-year-old loves to draw. | ||
| She's really into art. | ||
| And, like, she takes a piece of paper, and this is not a big deal to us as grown men. | ||
| She takes a piece of paper, and that paper is blank. | ||
| And in her little brain, she decides what's going to be on that paper. | ||
| She's like, I'm going to draw a dog. | ||
| And then, boom, it's a dog. | ||
| And I'm going to draw a dog that has a wing and also has a tail, and has a tail that grows out of its forehead, and just makes wacky shit up. | ||
| And she thinks it's fucking hilarious. | ||
| Like, look, he's got a tail on his head. | ||
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Ha! | |
| But in her little mind, she's learning that she can do whatever the fuck she wants with that time. | ||
| There's nobody there saying you shouldn't do that. | ||
| No one's saying anything. | ||
| And little kids gravitate towards that, man. | ||
| When little kids start drawing, they gravitate towards this expansion of the creative aspects of your mind, like whatever it is in your mind that causes you to have these ideas. | ||
| Whatever in your mind that causes you to think of a story that you want to write down or a drawing that you want to try to accomplish and try to put down, those little things to a kid are magical. | ||
| Because they didn't have any of that before. | ||
| I mean, they just learned how to talk. | ||
| She's seven. | ||
| And she's only been talking for five and a half years. | ||
| You know, all that other stuff before was gibberish. | ||
| And all of a sudden, she's sitting in front of the pad and no one tells her what to do. | ||
| Little seven-year-old, like, hmm, I think I'm going to paint today. | ||
| And she gets out the paint and just puts a little of this and a little of that. | ||
| You're flexing those little muscles, you know, just as if you were doing push-ups. | ||
| You're flexing those creative feels. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And to encourage that with kids. | ||
| That's what we all love. | ||
| We all love doing something. | ||
| And people say, well, I'm not very creative. | ||
| I just like working with wood. | ||
| That is fucking creative. | ||
| Like, Carpenter's a goddamn creative. | ||
| You built a house, motherfucker. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I'm in awe of that, actually. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I grew up around construction. | ||
| It's fucking hard to do. | ||
| You build a badass house, that shit is hard to do. | ||
| Or people that are highly mechanically inclined can just take a car completely apart and put it back together in the garage. | ||
| I've always been really envious. | ||
| Guys who build cars, that's art. | ||
| That's art. | ||
| Mechanics, there's an art to even being a mechanic. | ||
| Just doing it all perfect. | ||
| Putting it together, using your mind, thinking out. | ||
| How did you maybe get bore out this and put that in and swap this out? | ||
| And what's the issue with the vehicle? | ||
| There's a creative aspect to anything that's really satisfying. | ||
| And I think that we kind of pound that out of kids, man. | ||
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Yeah, I think that's... | |
| Very true. | ||
| We pounded out of them. | ||
| Very true. | ||
| Well, it has no... | ||
| It doesn't serve capitalism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, so... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I was saying earlier, I had this train job, and the first year I was there, I was just, like, out on the ground, like, throwing the switches and disconnecting the trains and hooking them back up and that kind of thing, and then I got promoted to what they call, like, a yard master, or, like, well, you know, a yard boss, and you're in the truck, and you're sort of in charge of The inbound and outbound manifest and everything that comes in and how it gets blocked apart and switched over to this track and you're building other trains and you've got to get them out on time. | ||
| And as soon as they put me in that job, it was like the greatest job I've ever had because I was playing Tetris. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I was just like fucking Baron von Mutchhausen in my little fucking truck with my 8,000 radios, like tearing trains apart and just watching it all happen and get it out the gate on time. | ||
| And it became like a high, you know? | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Because it's high pressure, very dangerous... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's only three guys out there making all this shit happen. | ||
| You've got the guy driving the engineer, the dude breaking them apart, and then whoever's on the back, like, sort of playing the chessboard. | ||
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Whew. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, this is fucking awesome. | ||
| I got a big old thermos. | ||
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I got all that shit, man. | |
| Yeah, there's some good jobs, for sure. | ||
| But if somebody came up to you in the middle of that good job and said, you don't have to do this ever again, you can do whatever the fuck you want, you would leave. | ||
| It's a good job for a job. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I did. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good job for a job. | ||
| Well, I fucked up and took a management position after that. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And these offices, totally out of my element, getting screamed out on a conference call when some other asshole didn't get the train out on time. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Because you went from having this cool, high-pressure job that makes you feel good to making more money, but you don't want to get that juice anymore. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, man, this is way too stable. | ||
| I better be a songwriter. | ||
|
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You know? | |
| No, I burnt out. | ||
| I hit Vaporlock. | ||
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I can't. | |
| I was like, I've got to go to fucking golf. | ||
| I can't imagine. | ||
| Shit with other dudes in khaki pants now. | ||
| Those poor guys. | ||
| I can't even pretend to be this guy. | ||
| What am I thinking? | ||
| Those are the guys that I think of when I, that Thoreau quote. | ||
| Most men live lives of silent desperation. | ||
| Those are the men I think of. | ||
| Those men that have fallen into some salary position where they're not happy and they want to get out and they don't know how to. | ||
| Well, they have the downfall of being highly efficient individuals and other CEOs recognize that and be like, I can put you on salary and work you 90 hours a week and you're going to get it done because you won't let yourself fail, but you'll probably fucking drink five pots of coffee a day and Well, listen, Sturgill, if you keep going, you've got a good position in this company. | ||
| I'm telling you, you've got a bright future. | ||
| You can make it happen. | ||
| 401k, 519A. I'm making those numbers up. | ||
| All that shit. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's most people. | ||
| You know? | ||
| People get tired of people hearing this because they don't... | ||
| Know what to do. | ||
| I didn't know what to do forever. | ||
| But then you do. | ||
| I always played music, but never thought it was something you could even do for a job. | ||
| I wouldn't have known where to go or how to do that until I married somebody a lot smarter than me one day. | ||
| I was like, man, I'm really unhappy. | ||
| She's like, it's because you're supposed to be playing music, dumbass. | ||
| I was like, oh, that's probably true. | ||
| But if you did it earlier, you wouldn't be you. | ||
| It's the craziest thing ever. | ||
| It's like you had to go through all that bullshit to get the sound that you have now, to get the soul behind it that you have now. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's the sound of a man who suffered. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's the sound of a man who understands. | ||
| That's the woes is me. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| There's real emotions, you know? | ||
| Like that Jolene song that we're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, you're all lost though, man. | ||
| If it had happened when I was younger, it would have been way more interesting to watch. | ||
| I would have fucked it up so good and proper. | ||
| You spiraled hard, right? | ||
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So good and proper, yeah. | |
| No. | ||
| I mean, that's props to Justin Bieber. | ||
| We're happy, man. | ||
| He's keeping it together. | ||
| It's hard to complain. | ||
| It's hard to complain. | ||
| Yeah, it should be. | ||
| We got a great, great, great band. | ||
| Family's healthy. | ||
| Dude, you're in the groove. | ||
| I'm in the groove. | ||
| I'm doing my thing as far as I want to. | ||
| You're in what my friend Vinnie Shorman calls Hakalau. | ||
| It's when he's a hypnotherapist. | ||
| He does a lot of mind work with fighters, like a mind coach. | ||
| And he's like, there's this state that you get in where everything just flows. | ||
| Everything flows. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| What you've figured out how to do so brilliantly in your life is after you've been through a bunch of bullshit. | ||
| You've figured out how to get to a place of success and then you're able to just do your thing. | ||
| That's your flow. | ||
| You found your thing. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| Yeah, and I had to learn that even in the last few years, you know, because it's so easy when... | ||
| I've always used a metaphor, when you're on the train, it's hard to tell how fast it's going. | ||
| And more importantly, where it's going, because a lot of times you don't really have any control or even say so in that matter. | ||
| And in some regards, you don't want to know how the sausage gets made. | ||
| But then... | ||
| I'm at a point now where it's as far as I ever want to go. | ||
| Because I have all the freedom to do what I want. | ||
| And it might not sell as good or as great as the last one did, but I'm having fun. | ||
| And it's going to be okay, you know? | ||
| I don't think you're going to have any problems. | ||
| I think the real issues have always been in the past about distribution in terms of radio play, album sales. | ||
| So we don't do any of that. | ||
| A guy like you, yeah. | ||
| And a guy like you, you're so locked in. | ||
| You came along at the right time, man. | ||
| You're locked in the zeitgeist. | ||
| But you came along at the right time of the internet. | ||
| I think it was all luck in the right time. | ||
| Definitely not all luck. | ||
| But there was definitely like... | ||
| I'm just glad nobody else wrote a song about turtles that year. | ||
| Because it would have been a very different outcome. | ||
| It would have been like that year that they had the two meteor movies. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can't have fucking two Turtle songs, man. | ||
| Yeah, you can't have that. | ||
| Even today. | ||
| Some guy wrote a book this year with the same title of that song, and man, he was getting all kinds of shit on the internet. | ||
| I was like, I didn't fucking come up with it. | ||
| Like, don't send this to me. | ||
| Yeah, people don't want to look into things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Turtles all the way down. | ||
| People don't want to look into things. | ||
| I didn't know what it meant until you explained it. | ||
| I still don't know what it means. | ||
| I just thought, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| No, I know what it means, but in a very dumbed down... | ||
| To make this a standalone podcast, explain to people what turtles all the way to do. | ||
| Well, it's a jocular expression. | ||
| More of a funny way to put what is originally a concept, as far as I know, that was first described in detail by a Jesuit priest named Pierre de Chardin. | ||
| All about the omega point in the universe and how all consciousness emits from this one central point of origin where the whole thing banged out from And it's all just expanding and reciprocating back to itself and like absorbing everything going on. | ||
| But it's this one point where all things spiritual, scientific, metaphysical, all matter in the universe, all fucking knowledge emits from. | ||
| And he got blackballed from the Vatican for preaching that. | ||
| Because he was like, you don't necessarily need to stand in a building to talk to God because God is everywhere and all around you and inside you all the time. | ||
| Whatever you want God to be or, you know. | ||
| So I got it from a Stephen Hawking book where, and it's weird, you can go around the world and there's all these ancient civilizations, whether it be some Native American tribes or parts of Far Eastern Asia where they find like these adherence to turtles and elephants and old culture and Hindu mythology. | ||
| There's even a Hindu illustration representing sort of a similar figure or myth that it all sat on the back of this great turtle flying around in space because they held those animals in such regard as old and wise creatures. | ||
| Actually, turtles are the oldest living species on the planet. | ||
| They predate crocodiles. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And the symmetry of their shell designs, no matter what species, it's always 13 pieces, which a lot of the old tribes thought had something to do with the lunar phases of the sun and how it was all tied in together with, you know. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Anyway, long way of saying that that song was written as a result of a lot of fucking reading. | ||
| Not necessarily taking drugs, you know. | ||
| Wasn't that the original, one of the more original calendars? | ||
| Wasn't there like a 13 lunar cycle calendar? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it Mayan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that is what it is. | ||
| I think it is a Mayan calendar. | ||
| But it's all these things I sort of found or symbiotically were connected. | ||
| I was reading at the time and I was about to have my first child and I was just like, man, I want to make a country record about all this shit or like you know write a song about the book of the dead and but as a traditional country record and then incorporate some classic rock psychedelia so that was all that was That's how I found you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People online, like, yo, dude, this guy making psychedelic country music, gotta have him on your podcast. | ||
| But then, like, then everywhere you go, people are making, like, handing you, like, hand bone glass third eyes and shit, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you get some real interesting characters, man. | ||
| Get a little too many of those. | ||
| When you throw it out there like that. | ||
| There's too many bongs out there. | ||
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Right. | |
| People still rock the bong, though. | ||
| Gotta respect that, you know? | ||
| It's like driving a manual car. | ||
| I never was a bong guy. | ||
| It's too heavy, man. | ||
| I got shit to do, man. | ||
| I can't... | ||
| Oh, the hit? | ||
| Just peel down. | ||
| Or the dab thing. | ||
| I got friends in Colorado, California now. | ||
| The first time I ever did that shit. | ||
| This is a pretty embarrassing story, but my buddy, you know, they were all like California, Colorado guys. | ||
| They were all... | ||
| Pretty hard. | ||
| I'm not really a heavy smoker, man, to be honest. | ||
| On the road, it keeps me occupied from time to time. | ||
| But if I'm riding, maybe. | ||
| But at home, you know, there's no need. | ||
| So the first time I did that shit, I didn't know what it was. | ||
| You know, I just pulled it like it was a big old bong rip. | ||
| And then, like, everybody's face was like... | ||
| You know, I need to instantly know you just did something you shouldn't have. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| And I was like, oh, fuck, man. | ||
| So I sat down, and for a couple minutes, I just started getting really cold and clammy. | ||
| And I was like, yep, I'm going to puke. | ||
| So I went over and I was like, fuck this guy. | ||
| So I puked right in his sink. | ||
| And I was like, dude, I gotta go home. | ||
| I feel like dog shit now, and I'm pretty sure I'm dying. | ||
| So we lived in this apartment, and I went out the door and turned the corner to go down the hallway to mine, and it was full on vertigo. | ||
| Every time I took a step, the hallway got twice as long. | ||
| And I was like, this is fucked up. | ||
| My wife was out of the country on work at the time. | ||
| I remember I was sitting down in the hallway. | ||
| Just, like, trying to get my shit together, man, because I thought I was having a fucking heart attack. | ||
| It was just, like, sweating. | ||
| And I remember this voice saying, get up, you stupid junkie fuck, before somebody comes out here and sees you, you know, sitting in the hallway like a dumbass. | ||
| And I managed to, like, pop out of it. | ||
| And as soon as I got back to my place and sat down on the couch, everything was fine. | ||
| But it was just so initial in the rush. | ||
| I was just like, nobody needs to be that stone, you know? | ||
| That fast. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| What kind of milligrams are you getting, do you think? | ||
| They just had that nail head torch thing with this $3,000 glass piece. | ||
| I was like, you guys are taking this shit way too seriously. | ||
| You could be curing fucking cancer somewhere right now, I'm pretty sure, if they put the effort, energy, and... | ||
| Mind power. | ||
| Have you seen the laser bongs now? | ||
| I got a video sent to me the other day. | ||
| It's got a pressure-activated laser bong. | ||
| It shoots a beam and ignites the flower. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| What the fuck's that guy doing? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| The thing is, they might be curing cancer. | ||
| We've got space colonies that somebody's going to need to build. | ||
| How many cancer patients are taking dabs? | ||
| That might be the key. | ||
| Out here, probably a lot. | ||
| Get them on it. | ||
| If I was dying of terminal cancer, that's when you want to be that high. | ||
| Look at this thing. | ||
| Do that again, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's it. | ||
| Look at this thing. | ||
| He hits the light. | ||
| Look at this laser. | ||
| This is fucking insane. | ||
| Now, how do you not go blind staring at this? | ||
| So he's heating it up. | ||
| It's cooking. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| And then he takes a big hit. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, anyway. | ||
| The medical strength stuff, I totally understand. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| That seems like you go blind, like if you're staring at a welder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Do you have to wear a welding mask? | ||
| Somebody very close to my life recently that was dealing with that. | ||
| Vertigo? | ||
| No, like heavy medical issues, health issues, and we got him some edibles, and he's like the only thing that made it okay, that discomfort. | ||
| So when I had to have a sinus surgery, We talked about this. | ||
| When we played the Grammys out here last year, I was sick as fuck, man. | ||
| Like, I was getting all year, for like the last year and a half on the road, I was getting these horrible sinus infections all the time. | ||
| And I just assumed it was allergies. | ||
| Tennessee's really bad about that. | ||
| Or we'd go to Texas or Atlanta places in October when all these crazy dogwoods are kicking off. | ||
| And I would lose my voice. | ||
| And, you know, by no fault of my own, it became very frustrating from a touring standpoint. | ||
| Because I felt like I was always sick. | ||
| Because I was. | ||
| So when we flew out and did the Grammys, I was all plugged up, couldn't sing. | ||
| Obviously, biggest gig in my life, kind of stressing it. | ||
| So the label guy sent me to this doctor who looked up in there and realized, you know, I probably had my nose broken at some point or just a really deviated septum when I was younger. | ||
| So like a broken air filter. | ||
| But then when they did the scan, like all the cavities were just completely caked with residual bacteria and infection. | ||
| He's like, he's like, if you get on a plane and fly home, you're probably going to get meningitis. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| So we had to play the Grammys. | ||
| He nuked me with all this shit. | ||
| I don't even know what he did, but it opened it up for like a day. | ||
| That's where I was able to sing. | ||
| So the next day, the whole band, they flew home. | ||
| I had to stay out here for like nine days, I think, and go in every morning twice a day for IVs for him to clean that shit out so I could fly home. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| surgery to correct it all and like went in there and scraped and cleaned them all out and shit and uh along with the the septum they fixed the septum so i haven't had a single issue since all that happened i haven't been sick one time which has like changed my life but while i was recuperating long story short i didn't want to take any of the opioid or the fucking pills that they gave me to deal with the pain it's I was like, I'm not taking that shit. | ||
| You're going to give me this for four weeks? | ||
| Like, no. | ||
| No way. | ||
| And so I just got a bunch of medical strength edibles. | ||
| And my wife and the kids, they had to come out my way to rent a house. | ||
| I had to be here to recover and shit. | ||
| And man, just laying in bed listening to headphones stoned out of my mind for like a week recovering. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| It's kind of awesome because you feel like when you're actually in pain or when you need that heavy type of alleviation, what it is actually doing and offering you in terms of relief. | ||
| And it gave me a whole new understanding and respect for the medical side of that shit. | ||
| Here we are back on pot again. | ||
| And then my buddy who dealt with some pretty serious cancer said it was literally the only thing that made him feel better. | ||
| So what did it do for you? | ||
| So you're in this terrible agony, your nose is all fucked up. | ||
| It was all plugged up. | ||
| I had all this gauze and shit, and I could feel where they'd been in there behind me. | ||
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Scraping? | |
| Scraping. | ||
| So immediately, all that was gone, and you just sort of get really docile and euphoric. | ||
| I mean, so fucking high. | ||
| But it didn't affect me in an overdose-y, nauseous sort of way, like if you're eating too many edibles, because your body actually needs it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I laid there listening to headphones and came up with the record I'm working on now, which is great for me because it was like, that's what I want to do next, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's a crazy ride, those edibles, but if you can take that ride, you get something out of it. | ||
| And sometimes people take the ride and the feeling is just too self-examinatory, too paranoia-inducing. | ||
| Sometimes people just can't handle it. | ||
| On a mass legality issue, I mean, if anything, I know it's just going to fuck pot up, you know, but from a medical stance, I can't see any reason why we're still even talking about this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| No, it doesn't make sense. | ||
| We're being fucked over by giant pharmaceutical companies that are making billions of dollars and they would realize how much more money they would be losing every year if marijuana becomes fully legal. | ||
| They've already lost money for sure. | ||
| I guarantee you there's people that are buying edible marijuana right now that would have bought pain pills. | ||
| They know it. | ||
| Also insurance companies. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, on-the-job accidents. | ||
| Oh, we had weed in the system. | ||
| We're not going to pay that. | ||
| My life insurance now, man, this is crazy. | ||
| One of the first interviews I ever did, I think, I talked about the first time I moved to Nashville and how I didn't really know anybody. | ||
| This was like 2005, and it was a different town then. | ||
| And I said, I spent most of my time listening and playing bluegrass and drinking. | ||
| Which is pretty much what everybody does the first year they moved to Nashville. | ||
| But then I said, like, after that, well, I moved out to Utah and got this job and got sober. | ||
| I was working all the time. | ||
| So somebody put on my Wikipedia page that I've talked about my struggles with alcohol. | ||
| And those people read that shit, man. | ||
| When I had to get a life insurance policy, like they showed up, they'd read all the interviews and like, wow, you've been really open about this and that. | ||
| And I was like, yeah. | ||
| And they're like, so you do the whole medical test. | ||
| And of course I test positive for THC because I'm on the road all the time. | ||
| And I was like, but I don't, I don't smoke it. | ||
| You know, I vape or edibles. | ||
| Like I don't, I'm not a smoker. | ||
| I never smoked cigarettes. | ||
| But they list you as a smoker. | ||
| And now I have like a criminally fucking insane yearly life insurance policy. | ||
| Because of course, like, you know, they think, well, musician too. | ||
| This guy's going to die. | ||
| We can't fuck you. | ||
| I have the exact same thing. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| Like, I don't even smoke. | ||
| But I'm listed as a smoker. | ||
| And it's like literally $9,000. | ||
| Some crazy fucking premium just to make sure my family's okay if I die on a business trip. | ||
| Yeah, they tested me, and they said, well, you tested positive for pot. | ||
| I go, yeah, that's because I smoke pot. | ||
| You already know that. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Trying to pretend I'm not healthy? | ||
| Has anybody ever died from smoking pot? | ||
| No, it's stupid. | ||
| It's a dumb thing. | ||
| Unless you think that I'm going to do dumb shit because I'm high all the time, if that's what you think. | ||
| But that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| You need to test how healthy I am. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| I'm fucking healthy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I work out all the time, super healthy, eat good. | ||
| I know what I'm doing. | ||
| Like, you don't know what you're doing. | ||
| The problem is you don't know what you're doing. | ||
| You're the insurance guy. | ||
| You don't know what you're doing. | ||
| If you knew what you were doing, you would look at each individual and go, this guy's fine. | ||
| This guy's healthy. | ||
| This guy's concentrating on his health. | ||
| This guy who doesn't smoke pot and just eats sugar all day, this guy's kind of fucked, though. | ||
| Oh, that guy's real fucked. | ||
| That guy's fucked. | ||
| This guy who's on Adderall because he's got a prescription for ADD and you don't have a problem with that, that guy's fucked. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are fucked out there, and these insurance companies that think that a guy who smokes pot is more likely to die, there's no statistics to back that up. | ||
| There's no statistics that say that people who smoke pot are more likely to get diseases or die of some sort of a fucking debilitating syndrome that came about because of overuse of THC. It doesn't exist. | ||
| But they're not even testing you for alcohol. | ||
| They ask you how much you drink, but they're not testing you. | ||
| They can't test you. | ||
| It's not in your system anymore. | ||
| It's really strange because in the Navy and the Railroad, there were very stringent, obviously highly stringent drug policies, but drinking your ass off every night is completely fine. | ||
| Completely fine. | ||
| Don't smoke a joint at 5 p.m., but kill that six-pack and come in here and build this train the next morning. | ||
| Those were always the guys that made me nervous. | ||
| Not only that, there's like a culture of honor behind it. | ||
| Like how much you can handle your drunk. | ||
| How much can you handle your drinking? | ||
| Bobby had 17 fucking beers. | ||
| I swear to God, bro, you would think he had zero. | ||
| He's right there. | ||
| Good for Bobby. | ||
| Bobby's an animal. | ||
| Bobby puts him down. | ||
| There's like a badge of honor that goes to that. | ||
| Meanwhile, he's taking something that's completely hindering his thought process, his His stability, his emotions are all out of whack. | ||
| He's fucking drunk as shit. | ||
| He doesn't know what he's doing. | ||
| He's wrestling. | ||
| His brain is wrestling with alcohol right now, which is one of the weirdest depressants. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| One of the weirdest drugs. | ||
| You spend a lot of time on the road traveling constantly. | ||
| One, you can't really drink, especially at our age. | ||
| It just does things to me. | ||
| You look out at rooms full of people every night that are sometimes really drunk. | ||
| If you work with people... | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I refuse to. | ||
| I don't really let people drink in my band on the road. | ||
| That's cost me players because they'd rather drink than be in your band. | ||
| It just... | ||
| Would you say you don't drink? | ||
| Can they have a glass of wine with dinner? | ||
| Well, that's like, you know, a beer or two. | ||
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Right. | |
| Just not getting hammered. | ||
| I'm just saying there's people that shouldn't drink. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like the guy that has one drink and instantly turns into a different motherfucker altogether. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then by the time he's on that third one, everybody's like, how much longer do we got to do this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of those guys out there, too. | ||
| A lot of people. | ||
| I didn't know that existed in... | ||
| Until the first time I met one. | ||
| One where the switch goes off and they get gerbilized. | ||
| Oh, the Jekyll and Hydrone? | ||
| Yeah, they get gerbilized. | ||
| Gerbilized, wow, that's a good way to put it. | ||
| They're out there like... | ||
| Shit gets weird. | ||
| Whoa, and they're moving around like they're a normal, a woke person. | ||
| Hashtag woke. | ||
| Yeah, there's a weird contradiction we have in the society. | ||
| We were constantly drinking drugs in the form of caffeine, constantly getting drugs in the form of whatever your doctor prescribes you for depression or anxiety or ADHD or whatever that is, constantly going out and having drinks, taking drugs, the drugs being alcohol, taking a whiskey drug and a vodka drug, and no one thinks anything of it. | ||
| And they're like, well, I don't do drugs. | ||
| Drugs all day. | ||
| All day. | ||
| There's so few people who don't do any drugs. | ||
| Some drugs are super beneficial. | ||
| Think about those weed edibles that made you write this album. | ||
| That's a beneficial... | ||
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Well, it didn't make you write it, but you were on it while you wrote it. | |
| Give it a little credit. | ||
| I think I was listening to some old records of Early Love and I was like, yeah, that sounds good. | ||
| You can feel music better when you're high. | ||
| Britney Spears sounds good when you get high enough, man. | ||
| You kidding me? | ||
| Turning that shit up, like, yeah, Britney. | ||
| God bless her. | ||
| I like Miley Cyrus' music while I'm high. | ||
| I'm gonna admit it right now. | ||
| That song, Malibu, it's a good fucking song, man. | ||
| It's a good song. | ||
| Don't laugh at me, Jamie. | ||
| It mocks me. | ||
| As if a young cute girl can't be a real artist. | ||
| Son of a bitch. | ||
| It's like the first thing you played in the studio here in the gym. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Super loud. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You got a big stereo on here? | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Oh, do you? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| This place is filled with speakers. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I went to a name drop real quick because yesterday was probably one of those days where you're like, yeah, this is why I do this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I ended up going up to Malibu to Rick Rubin's house and was playing him some of this record I'm working on just to get some feedback and it's one of those moments when you realize you're sitting like Rick Rubin's like all Indian style on his couch head banging like a fucking caveman and he had literally the best sounding stereo system I've ever heard in my life. | ||
| I could only imagine. | ||
| I mean, better than any top-grade studio monitors I've ever set in front of. | ||
| It was just like... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, that's really Rick Rubin, too. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| The coolest part, that was the only thing that was in the fucking room, was the couch. | ||
| He was literally like the TKA guy sitting in the chair in front of this tower. | ||
| It was just the stereo on the floor in this fucking empty room. | ||
| I don't know what it was or what the speakers even were. | ||
| I'd never seen anything like it, but it... | ||
| I bet it's like what Rollins has. | ||
| Henry Rollins says these speakers we were talking about the other day, they're like a quarter million dollars. | ||
| Is that what they were? | ||
| Quarter million dollar speakers in his living room. | ||
| These towers, these two towers, and they're just... | ||
| I mean, I've never experienced it, so I don't know what it's like. | ||
| But I gotta assume that you've spent a quarter million dollars for some speakers. | ||
| I thought I'd heard some pretty impressive speakers in my time, but this was like some really holy shit this exists kind of moment. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| It doesn't even have to be that loud, right? | ||
| It's just that the sound is so powerful, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want a car. | ||
| I want a samurai sword and Rick Rubin's home stereo. | ||
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That's it. | |
| That's what I'm aspiring to now. | ||
| And a Bronco. | ||
| And a lightsaber. | ||
| Give the man a Bronco and a lightsaber. | ||
| Yeah, I had a Bronco. | ||
| I had a badass Bronco. | ||
| My second one, we moved to Nashville and Bronco. | ||
| It was my wife's. | ||
| It died. | ||
| I ended up scoring this sweet one, this redneck in Livingston, Tennessee or somewhere. | ||
| I bought it off from him. | ||
| It was a 92, and he'd like... | ||
| Matt blacked it out. | ||
| My buddy Bobby took it for like a month while I was on tour in Europe and stripped all the interior out. | ||
| We rhino-hied the entire liner. | ||
| Took all the plastic. | ||
| Everything was just like a fucking Mad Max death trap. | ||
| We had these bucket Colbert leather racing seats we bolted in. | ||
| And then I had two kids. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| I'm going to die driving in this thing. | ||
| It had a 400 Windsor rebuild with cams, headers, the whole goddamn thing. | ||
| My neighbors hated it. | ||
| I gave it to my drummer when his truck died. | ||
| He actually, unlike most kids of the millennial era, really put time and money and effort and work into it. | ||
| He was fixing it up and making it his. | ||
| Then he's getting married, so he's got a real truck. | ||
| Now that Bronco's gone. | ||
| I feel like it's probably time to find a sweet Bronco. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good era, too. | ||
| The O.J.'s Bronco here is a more understated Bronco. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The locking hubs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The move is to get one of those and keep it plain jamming on the outside. | ||
| But on the inside, just put a badass stereo in it. | ||
| See, that's what I really want to do, is... | ||
| Because I don't... | ||
| I'd like to have some... | ||
| Yeah, it's very unassuming. | ||
| And then on the inside, just look like a rocket ship. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| With all the accoutrement. | ||
| That can be done. | ||
| Yeah, easily. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And very modernized, user-friendly. | ||
| But what are you going to pay to do that, man? | ||
| You could fucking go buy a 1970 Cuda or something. | ||
| You could buy a house. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, you could buy a house where you live. | ||
| For real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Buy a fat piece of land. | ||
| Actually, Nashville, the real estate has gotten pretty crazy. | ||
| I don't live in Nashville anymore, but... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Much like Austin, I mean, five years from now, there may not be any music in Nashville, because I don't know how many musicians are going to afford to live there. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I keep hearing. | ||
| It gentrifies so fast. | ||
| Like an explosion, right? | ||
| An explosion. | ||
| Logistically, the infrastructure, the traffic, it's like a miniature version of L.A. now. | ||
| When did it start? | ||
| Hard to say. | ||
| I mean, the first time I lived there was in 2005, and it was a different city then. | ||
| None of this had happened. | ||
| A lot of the hit bars now, like, there could have been eight people in there on a Friday night. | ||
| I'm not really sure. | ||
| I moved there 2011. And I think it was like in the last two or three years, though. | ||
| All the gentrification started around then. | ||
| They were building these, you know, what used to be the blown out, dilapidated parts of town. | ||
| The high rises started going up and shopping centers and that sort of thing. | ||
| And And there's still very much the old Nashville. | ||
| It's almost like two or three different cities in some cases in terms of personality. | ||
| But the influx and all this change has sort of changed what it is. | ||
| But Austin used to be a thriving music scene, but now it's like all the tech industry moved in and the cost of living and property is just... | ||
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Insane. | |
| Struggling service industry, job, day-to-day, as we say, artists, people trying to make it. | ||
| They're all having to live an hour outside of town and commute in for the gigs. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And what do you think was the catalyst? | ||
| What caused the launch? | ||
| It just became a cool place to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was... | ||
| Well, it's always been a publishing hub. | ||
| I mean, it's a music town, and there's all kinds of music. | ||
| They're not just country music. | ||
| When did that TV show come out? | ||
| There was a big Nashville TV show. | ||
| That would have been about four or five years ago, I think. | ||
| Do you think that fucked it up? | ||
| All those dorks, they go, oh, we're going to live there. | ||
| Well, there's definitely tours from that TV show. | ||
| Drink out of a mason jar. | ||
| It's such a soap opera version that isn't really that far enough away from how that world probably works. | ||
| I never saw it. | ||
| I didn't either. | ||
| My wife watched it one night and I just was like, no. | ||
| I've been there a bunch of times playing Zanies. | ||
| Okay, now that little street where you're talking about, that corner on 8th Avenue, there's Zaney's, you got Douglas Corner, then there's a lot of shops that I go to on Sundays. | ||
| They're auctioneers, they do all these old estate sales and really cool furniture. | ||
| But that little pocket, that intersection is probably one of the few remaining bastions of funk left in Nashville. | ||
| Like that's probably my favorite little corner in Nashville because I can just stand there and it still feels like relatively similar to what it probably felt like 30 years ago. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But a lot of other things change around things that don't. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| It does make sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are cool little pockets then, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got a good friend, Billy Wayne Davis. | ||
| I met him at Zany's one night. | ||
| Back when I was on Twitter, he reached out like, I'm playing here tonight. | ||
| Free ticket. | ||
| So my wife and I went. | ||
| We like comedy. | ||
| Got to know him and he ended up opening a tour for me. | ||
| That place is one of those places where you know it's good and old based on the number of dead people on the wall. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| And you're walking around, you're like, oh, Richard Jennings, he's dead. | ||
| If you can walk in and taste cocaine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I mean, the photos, the headshots of all the dead comedians, there's so many of them. | ||
| You know, that place has been around forever. | ||
| Aren't you coming to Nashville soon? | ||
| Yeah, like a couple of weeks. | ||
| What day? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I should probably know. | ||
| I'm doing the Ryman on the 30th? | ||
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Yeah, the 30th. | |
| Yeah, the 30th on the Ryman with the Golden Pony, Tony Hinchcliffe. | ||
| Then we're in Charlotte the next night. | ||
| That's what I like. | ||
| A little short weekends. | ||
| Bing bang. | ||
| Four shows. | ||
| Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. | ||
| Have you done The Round One before? | ||
| Yeah, a couple times. | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
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It's fucking awesome. | |
| I'm going to be out of town, man. | ||
| I'm bummed. | ||
| Eh, what are you going to do? | ||
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What are you going to do? | |
| What are you going to do? | ||
| I'm always coming through. | ||
| I come through like once every year. | ||
| Maybe a year and a half at most. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I might come through again and do Zanies after this when I write my new hour. | ||
| Just fuck around, stretch it out. | ||
| Because you really want to stretch it out at a comedy club. | ||
| You don't want to stretch it out in front of 3,000 people. | ||
| It's just not a good development ground. | ||
| It's not the room to try things out? | ||
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No. | |
| The big rooms in the room, that's when you're done. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| You got the set. | ||
| You know what you're doing. | ||
| You fuck around while you're up there, but you basically have a structure for your act. | ||
| You have a structure for each bit. | ||
| And occasionally, I'll deviate. | ||
| But what I don't want to do, I don't want to work out brand new material in front of 3,000 people. | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| One night, I think I came to watch your show at the store, and this was like a year ago, and you had to jet right after the set and go to Pasadena for another set. | ||
| My buddy that I brought with me, we're going to hang here, see who comes out, and Jeff Ross or somebody comes out, and he's doing his bit, and right in the fucking middle of it, The back curtain opens and Chappelle walks out and just kind of like taps Ross on the corner on the shoulder like, fuck off, I got this, you know, and just jacks the mic and pretty much everybody else's set who was supposed to perform that night and stands there for like three hours, man. | ||
| We're just sitting there. | ||
| I was like, dude, this will probably never happen again in your lifetime, so I'm not fucking leaving. | ||
| And we just sat there the whole time and he sat there rocking tequila bombs and getting drunk and just really talking. | ||
| There were times where it was... | ||
| The funniest thing I've ever seen, literally, and there were times where it kind of got dark, and you're like, what the fuck's happening? | ||
| Where's this going? | ||
| And he was working things out, and then later on, those Netflix specials land, and I realized I've already heard like 90% of these jokes, because the guy was just like, I'm going to go hijack the main room, work my shit out, because I got it like that. | ||
| I'm Dave Chappelle, you know? | ||
| But it was fucking amazing. | ||
| Yeah, he does that a lot, where he'll just drop into place and just do a set, and that's how he kind of works his material out. | ||
| He just kind of drops in and keeps tweaking it. | ||
| If he has a structure, if he has a few ideas that he's talking about, he can just riff. | ||
| Especially if he's drinking. | ||
| Just go on stage. | ||
| And then he's always got dudes behind him that are taking down notes, letting them know, like, oh, you talked about this. | ||
| I'm sure they record it, too. | ||
| They'll go over it and eventually boil it down to what that Netflix special was. | ||
| The two Netflix specials. | ||
| That shows you how prolific that dude is. | ||
| To put out a Netflix special and then a year later put out two Netflix specials. | ||
| And then Netflix is like, we'll take it. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| He's like, hey, I wrote this one this month and I'd like to put it down for all eternity. | ||
| Are you cool with that? | ||
| Most people, like, you write something and it's a good solid year before you even consider putting in a special. | ||
| You know, some guys were doing like a special year. | ||
| But too much of it was like half-cooked. | ||
| It's like, if you just waited six more months, this thing would be like an all-time great special. | ||
| But instead, you're banging them out one a year. | ||
| You never get the essence of the thing. | ||
| Well, his thing too, part of his thing, I think, is... | ||
| Making it look like it's so easy. | ||
| Effortless. | ||
| Because the night at the comedy store, it did feel like he was just sort of making the shit up on the spot. | ||
| And then you see the Netflix specials, and it sort of feels the same way. | ||
| Like he's just being Dave. | ||
| And the little subtle things that I noticed, like, probably ten times throughout the night, at really awkward moments, he would call the waitress to get him another drink. | ||
| But he would only say, bar whore. | ||
| And every time he'd say it, it'd get a little more awkward, like a little less appropriate each and every fucking time. | ||
| Eventually, everybody in the room was like, that's not really cool. | ||
| And then at the end of the night, the last thing he said was like, I'm really sorry, I called you bar whore, I just don't have any fucking jokes. | ||
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And he walked off the stage and was like... | |
| Yeah, that's how Dave writes. | ||
| That's one of the ways he writes. | ||
| But he's got it down. | ||
| He's got it down to a science. | ||
| And the other thing he does is he just travels to towns. | ||
| Just decides to travel to a town and then go on stage. | ||
| Show up. | ||
| Show up at a comedy club. | ||
| Three nights at the Fillmore. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, he doesn't even... | ||
| He'll do that, but that's booked. | ||
| He books that. | ||
| You have to book the Fillmore. | ||
| You have to book that shit. | ||
| Nine months. | ||
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Right. | |
| But if he works somewhere else, he just shows up. | ||
| Like, he'll work at a comedy club and just show up. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I was in Denver once, and he just showed up. | ||
| I came in the green room after the show. | ||
| It was after the late show Friday night. | ||
| I went backstage, and Dave's in the green room. | ||
| I go, what are you doing, man? | ||
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And he goes, hey, Joe, I'm just in town, fucking around. | |
| I go, you want to go on stage? | ||
| He's like, should I? I go, fuck yeah. | ||
| I grab him, bring the people back in. | ||
| People were already getting up and leaving. | ||
| I said, ladies and gentlemen, get back. | ||
| Dave Chappelle's here. | ||
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And they went, ah! | |
| Of course he wants to go on stage. | ||
| Why else is he there? | ||
| That's why he's there. | ||
| That's what he does. | ||
| That's his thing, you know? | ||
| But it's just weird to say, like, oh, like, this guy's so free, he could just fly into a town where he knows his friends are going to be. | ||
| He doesn't even have to call you in advance. | ||
| You know, he just flew in. | ||
| And I see him, like, oh, yeah, get up there. | ||
| Like, he's as free as a bird. | ||
| He does, like, whatever he wants. | ||
| And then he does these Netflix specials. | ||
| They pay him an ass load of money. | ||
| And then he just does shows whenever he wants to. | ||
| But his creative process is, like, almost, like, engineered around being loose. | ||
| Like, doing whatever he wants. | ||
| Going where he wants to go. | ||
| Doing whatever he wants. | ||
| And then writing. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And then figuring it out on stage. | ||
| And then riffing. | ||
| And then just fucking around. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| Fascinating to watch. | ||
| It's like jazz, almost. | ||
| Oh, it's very much like. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's, um... | ||
| He's also got being Dave Chappelle down to a science. | ||
| Like you were saying that you're in the Sturgill Simpson business. | ||
| He's in the Dave Chappelle business. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He does what Dave Chappelle wants to do. | ||
| That's the key, I think. | ||
| I think that's the key. | ||
| If we could all be in the business of whoever the fuck you are, whatever you do. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| I like to write songs and make records and pretty much say no to everything else. | ||
| I think that's a good life. | ||
| Dave... | ||
| Seems to be on a much grander scale, like yourself. | ||
| I mean, is there any point in the day where you ever do anything you don't want to do? | ||
| No, not anymore. | ||
| No, I mean, I do things that I know I have to do that I'm not looking forward to. | ||
| But that's mostly, like, exercise shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, sometimes I'm just not looking forward to it, and I have to force myself to do it. | ||
| Or writing. | ||
| I love writing, but sometimes I have to force myself to sit down in front of the computer. | ||
| But other than that... | ||
| You write on a computer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't write. | ||
| I write by hand, too. | ||
| But when I write by hand, it's really just rehashing things. | ||
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Right. | |
| When I write on a computer, there's no way I can write with my hands as quickly as I can type. | ||
| I can type pretty quick. | ||
| So if I have an idea, and I don't want to hear my voice, so I don't want to say it into a microphone, I want to just figure out what the beats are of things. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I always write by hand because usually the meter or the phrasing, there's a way it makes me think about it. | ||
| It goes down right the first time. | ||
| Or as opposed to I'm just writing poetry on a computer screen or whatever. | ||
| You don't necessarily have a sense of the beat. | ||
| Whereas I want things to flow a certain way and land on hits and that. | ||
| And I usually just throw all the consonants away. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| You know, Bill Clinton wrote his entire memoir on, like, legal paper? | ||
| Doesn't surprise me. | ||
| He wrote it on, like, a regular notebook. | ||
| Makes you think about what you're writing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he wrote it on, like, a regular notebook. | ||
| Like, maybe one of those black and white ones that you used to get when you were... | ||
| With the splatter covers? | ||
| Yeah, those splatter covers are cool. | ||
| I've got, like, stacks of those things at the time. | ||
| Those are the best. | ||
| I still write jokes in those. | ||
| When I write on a piece of paper, I'm really just reminding myself most of the time. | ||
| Occasionally I have an idea that I have to circle and I put an X next to it. | ||
| But if you read my notebook, you'd think I was a crazy person. | ||
| There's something to that too in terms of memory. | ||
| I've learned a long time ago... | ||
| If there's a song I want to learn and you've got to remember all the words, I'm never going to remember them until I just sit down and write that song down on paper. | ||
| Once I write it on paper and see it, it's like it's there. | ||
| Whether it's mine or somebody else. | ||
| I only forget the words to the shit I write, weirdly. | ||
| That's kind of... | ||
| In shows, it never fails. | ||
| If I get lost or forget something, it's always a song I wrote. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Like 8,000 old country and bluegrass songs, I just pull out of my ass on a dime and remember all that shit, but it's always the ones I wrote. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That makes sense though, right? | ||
| Because the other ones that you remember, they just had an impact on you. | ||
| Like they mean something to you. | ||
| Or it's the one you wrote, like it comes out of nowhere. | ||
| It goes through you to your pad, right? | ||
| It's like, it's almost hard to recapture that state. | ||
| And then you're like a normal person trying to remember what you thought of when you were in that zone. | ||
| Whereas if it was a song that somebody else made, you're like, oh, I love this song. | ||
| I know how it goes. | ||
| I don't know if it's because you're reacting to it more strongly. | ||
| Well, I think there's a thing of... | ||
| There's creativity that involves the no self, right? | ||
| There's that state that you get when you... | ||
| There's a lot of shit that I write where I go back over it. | ||
| Like, I'm like, how did I write that bit out? | ||
| And then I go back and read it. | ||
| I don't remember any of this. | ||
| Half of it I don't even remember. | ||
| I took it in a whole different place. | ||
| That's the hardest part, though, is getting to that lack of self. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, even... | ||
| I think that's with any art when you're not thinking about it or self-aware or have any preconceived notions about where it wants to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Do you smoke weed and write? | ||
| I don't ever like do one way or another specifically. | ||
| Just whatever. | ||
| I have written while I'm high and I've written when I'm not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What about performing? | ||
| Generally I don't enjoy. | ||
| It depends. | ||
| I don't really like to smoke weed anymore. | ||
| It's something about the way it hits me when I inhale it high it becomes more heady And internalizing, like, any anxiety or the paranoia people talk about. | ||
| The only time I've ever experienced that is when I've smoked weed. | ||
| But my problem is I don't like going on stage stoned anymore because... | ||
| You're so ultra-sensitive. | ||
| My ear becomes... | ||
| I already struggle with it enough. | ||
| I'm hearing everything happening and dissecting it all hypercritical in real time. | ||
| And you can't do that and perform and let go. | ||
| So you kind of have to... | ||
| It's two different brains. | ||
| But if I'm up there singing and looking at an audience, if I'm stoned, I know enough about myself to know I'll get internalized and just only start listening to the band and the music. | ||
| And you sort of forget that there's all these people there. | ||
| You have to... | ||
| Give a show to. | ||
| And again, maybe that is the show when we get lost in the music. | ||
| And then I've also played some of the best gigs I've ever played in my life on edibles. | ||
| Because, you know, it's sort of like an anti-anxiety and just like very free and you feel everything much more delicately in terms of response. | ||
| But it's not something I was like, oh, we got to get high. | ||
| Let's go try and play a gig. | ||
| You do or you don't. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Honestly, kind of straight away from it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| What I mean is you do or you don't. | ||
| Whatever you want. | ||
| You do or you don't. | ||
| Yeah, there's no... | ||
| If you are, it's just this is tonight. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| You know, tomorrow is tomorrow. | ||
| It's not like you have a ritual. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like a drink right before I go on stage. | ||
| A shot. | ||
| See, that messes... | ||
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A small shot. | |
| Alcohol messes with my voice. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| You got to stay away from it. | ||
| I just like just a little... | ||
| Just that little feeling that you get with one shot. | ||
| Like a... | ||
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Right. | |
| Here we go. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| What about food? | ||
| Man, it depends. | ||
| I don't like eating close to a show. | ||
| It's just not good. | ||
| Yeah, not good. | ||
| I'll eat a big lunch and then just fast and I'll eat after the gig most of the time because I jump around a lot and get into shit. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| And then one time we did this radio thing or some shit and I couldn't fucking sing anyway. | ||
| My voice was gone. | ||
| It was this freebie throwaway thing for Sirius and we'd been in there setting up and rehearsing in the studio all day. | ||
| And then they realized, like, oh, we haven't eaten. | ||
| I'm fucking starving. | ||
| I gotta play gigs. | ||
| So we had some pho delivered, and I ate it, like, ten minutes before we were supposed to play. | ||
| Dude, you said it correctly. | ||
| Most people don't even know what pho is. | ||
| It just gut-bombed me, dude. | ||
| Like, your worst nightmare. | ||
| You're out there, like, trying to really push and sing on a microphone and not shit your pants. | ||
| So I've learned my lesson. | ||
| I hit the wall the other day in my house. | ||
| I don't know what the hell I ate, but I literally had to put my hand on a railing so I could squeeze my butt cheeks together harder so I couldn't shit myself. | ||
| It broke through some weird barrier where I thought, I knew I had to take a shit, but I was thinking maybe I could let a fart out first when I'm on my way to the bathroom. | ||
| I don't know what I was thinking. | ||
| They call that the gambler. | ||
| But I took a step. | ||
| I took a step and all of a sudden it's like if I had a water bag inside my body and it just broke. | ||
| And then I'm holding it all together with my asshole and squeezing my ass cheeks and the fucking abdominal pain is like, whoa! | ||
| I feel like, you remember when you were a kid and you used to put your thumb over the garden hose? | ||
| Just try to really clamp that fucking thing down. | ||
| And you got to a place where you stopped all the water from coming out of the garden hose, but barely. | ||
| I mean, fucking barely. | ||
| That was my asshole the other day. | ||
| And I'm holding onto the railing just squawking. | ||
| And I did these little baby steps like this towards the toilet where I wasn't even picking up my legs. | ||
| I was just sliding my legs over. | ||
| Barely, barely got my pants off. | ||
| And it was like a broken fire hydrant came out of my asshole. | ||
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I was like, where was this? | |
| Where'd this come from? | ||
| Five minutes ago, there was nothing wrong with me. | ||
| I felt 100% normal. | ||
| I wouldn't have imagined that this could happen. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, it's flying out of me. | ||
| That's terrifying to think. | ||
| It could happen any time. | ||
| You could be on a plane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stuck in your seat and you just shit all over your socks and your pants and it just runs up your back and down your legs. | ||
| It can happen to anybody. | ||
| Have you ever had full-blown, absolutely horrible food poisoning coming out both ends and you literally think, I might die? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I had it real bad once. | ||
| Well, I've had it real bad twice. | ||
| But that barracuda that I used to have, this cool 1970 barracuda, it was named the Sick Fish. | ||
| The reason why I named it the Sick Fish is I got food poisoning. | ||
| I ate linguine with clams in Illinois. | ||
| There's no fucking clams anywhere near Illinois. | ||
| And those things got me hard, man. | ||
| I couldn't even make a fist the next day. | ||
| I was walking around like a zombie. | ||
| I was dead. | ||
| I spent the whole night throwing up and shitting myself. | ||
| And then the next day, I was just dead. | ||
| I drank like five or six cups of coffee because we had to film this thing where they were putting the engine in the car and they were going over the design. | ||
| I was like barely able to stay awake while I was doing that. | ||
| I was so wrecked. | ||
| I had it one time from this Chinese buffet, and it hit me hours later, seven hours later that night, and all of a sudden it was just in this bathroom for four or five hours, and it was those things like... | ||
| It was the worst shape I've ever been in. | ||
| But in the back of your mind, you're like, it's okay. | ||
| I know this is food poisoning, but it's okay. | ||
| It's going to go to a point. | ||
| And then throughout the night, it just kept getting worse. | ||
| And I kept asking, where is this point going to be? | ||
| Or do I need to go to the hospital? | ||
| Because... | ||
| That was very uncomfortable, you know, like abdominal tremors and shit from puking so hard, and your muscles are just spasming. | ||
| No, you can die from it. | ||
| I mean, people have died from E. coli poisoning. | ||
| There was a scene in Food, Inc. | ||
| where they talked about this little kid that got food poisoning from, I think it was a Jack in the Box, and he wound up dying. | ||
| It was, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's horrible. | ||
| It's a terrible way to die. | ||
| I mean, you're ingesting some sort of a poison and it just takes over your system and just kills your cells. | ||
| Your body can't process it quickly enough, can't get it out enough. | ||
| You're shitting yourself and throwing up and doing everything you can to get whatever the fuck is inside you out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, food on the road, we play it pretty safe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll skip meals a lot of times. | ||
| I'll not eat if the only alternative is something like really shitty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just because, not because like, oh, I'm a health nut, but it's just not worth it. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| I bring a lot of protein bars. | ||
| I bring a ton of protein bars, so if I'm stuck and I just need to eat something, I just down like a... | ||
| We have a bunch of Onnit protein bars. | ||
| I like those. | ||
| I like those Quest bars. | ||
| They don't have any sugar in them. | ||
| I like Muscle Pharma. | ||
| I have some good bars. | ||
| Just, I don't live off of them, but it's way better than that. | ||
| I'm not getting a burger. | ||
| Do you eat sugar? | ||
| Very little. | ||
| I'll give them, like last night I had a piece of apple rhubarb, no, strawberry rhubarb pie though, with whipped cream. | ||
| Ooh, I went deep. | ||
| But that's rare. | ||
| I did a thing a while back. | ||
| I kind of got pressured, but I tried to just say I only went as long as I could without any sugar. | ||
| How long did you go? | ||
| I was like 12 days. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Yeah, it was nuts, man. | ||
| That's as good as you can get. | ||
| Well, it's hard because everything has fucking sugar in it. | ||
| And you just... | ||
| But after even just abstaining that short amount of time, when I did eat it again at first, it was like everything tasted so sweet. | ||
| You could really understand how much we're getting drugged with food. | ||
| But my thing is coffee. | ||
| I drink coffee in the morning. | ||
| I'm not a breakfast guy, but I just can't drink it straight because it tastes like a bucket full of asshole. | ||
| I've got to cut it with something. | ||
| If I could cut out coffee in my life, I could probably cut out sugar. | ||
| Oh, you cut it with some sort of sugar? | ||
| Cream and sugar. | ||
| See, I just use cream, man. | ||
| Or I drink these. | ||
| Did you like this? | ||
| Caveman's? | ||
| I'll get a bunch sent to you. | ||
| That wasn't bad, yeah. | ||
| I'll have a bunch sent to you. | ||
| How do you get the mud butt down? | ||
| I don't get mud butt from this. | ||
| I don't know what I ate that made me get mud butt, but whatever it was, it turned out to not be anything. | ||
| I had that one terrible shit, and then the rest of the day was golden. | ||
| It was no problems. | ||
| It's like something got in there. | ||
| Some little microbacteria. | ||
| I eat a lot of probiotics. | ||
| I don't know if that helps, but I'm hoping that that helps and that when I eat something funky, all the good stuff that I eat, like I eat kimchi almost every day. | ||
| I drink kombucha every day. | ||
| See, I love steak, but I hate ass cancer, so I don't eat steak very often. | ||
| I don't think steak really gives you ass cancer. | ||
| But when I do, I like it raw. | ||
| Rare. | ||
| Rare. | ||
| I like it raw. | ||
| So I just know that the rare occasion when I have a steak, I'm going to get the chas. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Because it's just worth it. | ||
| But it makes me eat red meat very little now. | ||
| When was the last time you had wild game? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Like real wild game? | ||
| Real wild game. | ||
| Probably... | ||
| When I was out in Utah, I worked with this kid who was a big hunter, and he would bring in elk, like, fillet medallions or, like, hamburger. | ||
| He lived in Wyoming, so he could pull, like, two or three extra tags here. | ||
| Like cow tags, probably, yeah. | ||
| The 18 deep freezers full of every possible cut of meat you can think of made from elk meat. | ||
| And he would bring it in sometimes when we were working and cook that shit. | ||
| And the first time I ever tasted it, I was like, I don't ever want to eat beef again. | ||
| That was the most delicious meat I've ever tasted in my life. | ||
| I basically eat it almost every day. | ||
| Elk. | ||
| Yeah, almost every day. | ||
| Because when you shoot an elk, I try to shoot an elk a year. | ||
| You don't always get one, obviously. | ||
| This year I got lucky. | ||
| I got two. | ||
| I scheduled two elk hunts. | ||
| And I figured I was going to strike out. | ||
| If not both of them, definitely one of them. | ||
| And I just... | ||
| I got real lucky. | ||
| On both? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Again, there's definitely having really good guides. | ||
| I had good guides. | ||
| How long can you feed yourself and your family? | ||
| A year. | ||
| One year. | ||
| A year, yeah. | ||
| And I hand a lot of it to my friends. | ||
| I give Gary Clark some elk. | ||
| Honey, honey, they took some elk. | ||
| I wish you around, man. | ||
| I'll give you some elk, too, if you lived around here. | ||
| Well, we're living now. | ||
| If I sit on my back porch long enough, it'll probably be pretty easy. | ||
| Well, Kentucky actually has a new elk population over the last, like, 40 or 50 years, I think. | ||
| They've re-established it to the point where it's a hunting destination now. | ||
| They opened it up, I think you and I were talking about this. | ||
| I think we were. | ||
| It used to be flooded with it back, you know, 1800. They hunted them out and they repopulated, I want to say in the 90s, maybe early 2000s, and now there's so many that they're opening it up again. | ||
| Yeah, shout out to the Rocky Mountain Elk Federation. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They establish habitat for these animals. | ||
| We're down in the southeast corner around the Smokies, man. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| A lot of wild turkey and deer. | ||
| It's supposed to be amazing there. | ||
| I saw armadillo in the woods at my house. | ||
| I was like, no fucking way. | ||
| That can't ensure shit. | ||
| They've migrated that far over and up. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They're really varmity. | ||
| They don't... | ||
| Really do much good. | ||
| Do you have any elk near you? | ||
| There's got to be. | ||
| Do you ever hear it? | ||
| I don't hear them. | ||
| How long have you been in this new spot? | ||
| Well, we really haven't even been in it. | ||
| I stayed there off and on a couple times when dealing with the contractors. | ||
| They just really got finished and out of there, which is perfect. | ||
| I've got to go back to work. | ||
| Well, you won't really know until September. | ||
| Right. | ||
| September, you're starting to hear... | ||
| There's so many turkey and deer, it's kind of going to be an issue. | ||
| I can't walk outside and kick the fucking turkey out of the way. | ||
| Turkeys are crazy, man. | ||
| They get aggressive with you, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't mind. | ||
| The only thing, I tell you what, man, we got all the snakes and spiders and all that shit. | ||
| See, I grew up around playing with, like, baby copperheads in the creek, and my mom spanking the shit out of me when she caught me, because I don't worry about this stuff. | ||
| But I'll tell you what's fucked up. | ||
| My wife found, she was sweeping, we get ladybugs that come, like, in this time of year, they try to come in on this, like, sun porch, and she's sweeping a pile up and found a scorpion. | ||
| Oh, I found a bunch of those on here. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Fuck, there's a scorpion in Tennessee now? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't believe it, man. | ||
| I mean, I hate spiders, but that's like a whole other level. | ||
| They're supposed to be in the desert, aren't they? | ||
| That's what I thought, but there are two species of scorpion native in Tennessee. | ||
| It's basically like equivalent to get stung by a honeybee, but they just look so evil, man. | ||
| I don't want to walk in the bathroom and have to be like checking under my toilet bowl for fucking scorpions. | ||
| I always assume that they kill you. | ||
| When you see a scorpion, I assume it kills you. | ||
| Well, you know why? | ||
| Because you remember the original Clash of the Titans? | ||
| Oh, that's right, that thing. | ||
| When your movie and the blood dripped out of Medusa's head bag and then turned into giant scorpions. | ||
| I was a kid, I saw that, so it's like... | ||
| They were giant. | ||
| They were giant. | ||
| Like, stinging that guy. | ||
| That movie was fucked up, actually. | ||
| It was pretty fucked up, but it was good. | ||
| It's terrible when you watch it now. | ||
| That's like a Harryhausen movie, right? | ||
| Where it was like stop animation. | ||
| The guy from some soap opera or whatever his name was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Medusa and the Kraken. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Harry Hamlin? | ||
| Harry Hamlin. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Harry fucking Hamlin. | ||
| How do I know that? | ||
| And the guy that played Hades, you know, like the red, the devil dude that God's turning into. | ||
| Dude, I forgot all about that movie. | ||
| If you didn't bring it up. | ||
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I saw that kid. | |
| It was like the TBS that when I was a kid, they would play that and Beastmaster back to back like every fucking two hours. | ||
| Beastmaster. | ||
| So, but yeah, that original Clash of the Titans, man, Medusa did a number on me. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| The video of it? | ||
| Look how bad it looks. | ||
| I think that might have been the first time I ever actually saw boobies was Medusa. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| The blood hits the ground. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| Scorpions pop up. | ||
| The robotic owl. | ||
| Look how bad the fucking special effects were. | ||
| But we were like, dude, I'm in. | ||
| That's how they did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You had to believe. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Look at that, dude. | ||
| Sturgill, you better get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You're not going to catch your flight. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's 2.20 right now. | ||
| Yeah, I should do that. | ||
| We've got to get you moving. | ||
| Next time you're in town, I've got a grill back here. | ||
| I've got a grill and I've got some meat. | ||
| I'm going to cook for you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We'll have a meal. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| We'll sit down like men. | ||
| We'll drink ale. | ||
| Next time you come to Nashville, I won't be there and I won't be able to repay the favor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'll be back again. | ||
| I'll be back at Zaney's. | ||
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| See you soon. |
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