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March 7, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #927 - Tom Papa
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joe rogan
*laughs* 3...2...1... *laughs* Jamie was giving us the almost double gun finger, not yes!
unidentified
Three, two, one.
joe rogan
Tom Papa sans glasses.
You got a new look right now, buddy.
You just said fuck it.
tom papa
Well, they're...
joe rogan
Reading glasses?
tom papa
Dirty.
joe rogan
They're dirty?
tom papa
No, they're progressives.
joe rogan
What's that mean?
tom papa
That means the top...
joe rogan
Oh, like bipocals?
tom papa
Yes, three levels.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
Far, medium...
Reading.
joe rogan
Fuck, dude.
When are they going to fix that?
tom papa
It's pretty good.
Fix what, your eyes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I only have reading glasses that I've worn over the last few years.
Like two or three years.
I think I hit like 46. And that's when it just started going, eee.
Like I'd look at my phone like, hey, why does that look like shit?
tom papa
It really is bad.
joe rogan
And then Adam Carolla did my podcast and he left some glasses over.
He left reading glasses.
And I picked up his reading glasses and I put them on.
I went, fuck!
unidentified
Fuck!
tom papa
I can see!
joe rogan
I can fucking see clear now!
unidentified
Shit!
tom papa
I know, it's really frustrating.
Oh, dude, it's weird.
And I can't wear contacts because I have a scar on this eyeball.
unidentified
Whoa.
tom papa
From, uh, I don't know what.
The only thing I can think of is, he said it was something as a child.
There was a pillow fight I had with my friend Keith in like third grade, and I remember him hitting me in an open eye and just being down for a while.
joe rogan
Whoa!
tom papa
But just as kids, you know, you're like, ow, that hurt!
joe rogan
Right, but you developed a scar there.
tom papa
It's the only thing I could...
So yeah, there's a scar on the outer layer of my eyeball.
joe rogan
Can they do something about that?
Can they like...
tom papa
No.
I mean, you can start messing with it, but this guy is a really good eye doctor, and he's like, don't mess with it if you don't have to.
But if I look through that eye, it's a little cloudy always, even with the glasses.
So this one, because of the little bumpy scar, I can't put a contact on it, so I go with the glasses.
But you say it's a new look when I don't have glasses on.
I just had these glasses for like two years.
joe rogan
Hmm.
tom papa
But everyone I've...
joe rogan
You get used to people wearing glasses.
tom papa
Is that funny?
joe rogan
Like Greg Fitzsimmons wears glasses and sometimes he doesn't wear glasses.
And I'm like, oh, hey, man.
tom papa
What do you like better?
What's Tom Papa to you?
joe rogan
I just like you, buddy.
tom papa
Aww.
joe rogan
I don't really care if you wear glasses.
But glasses are the odd thing that makes girls sexy.
There's something about a girl wearing glasses that's kind of sexy.
tom papa
Yeah, it worked in every 80s movie.
joe rogan
It's always like girls with their hair pulled up, with a tight blouse, and a skirt dropping off papers.
tom papa
Why is that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
A smart girl is sexy.
Yeah, for sure, right?
But then she, at the end of the movie, takes it off and gets all slutty and lets her hair down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is it like an alternative thing?
Is that like what it is?
Like you see the girl with the glasses and you're like, oh, she's different.
She's out there reading and she's focused.
tom papa
Yeah, she's got her act together.
unidentified
She'll know I'm full of shit.
joe rogan
She'll be able to see my flaws.
Maybe she can help me.
tom papa
She'll know if I really read those books.
I don't know if...
You think it's the same for kids now, though?
Because there's so many weird-looking kids now.
Like, when we were young, it was, like, the glasses girl or, like, the blonde girl, the cheerleader girl.
Now everything's so mushed together.
joe rogan
You mean, like, what is attractive?
tom papa
Just, like, the classifications of people.
We had, like, teams that you were a part of.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
You were, like, the jock or the nerd or the burnout.
I was a jock and a class clown.
joe rogan
Ah, you were a class clown.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What were you jock in?
tom papa
I was jock, but I had a lot of friends because I was a class clown, so I wasn't a douchey jock.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You just liked sports.
tom papa
Yeah, I played football from kindergarten until I graduated.
And then I was the captain, I was all league.
joe rogan
No shit.
I didn't notice about you, Tom Papa.
unidentified
Yeah!
tom papa
I was a fullback.
joe rogan
How many head collisions did you have?
tom papa
Tons.
joe rogan
How's your head?
tom papa
Fine.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, it all depends who you're playing against.
You know what I mean?
Like, we were a white suburban school running into other white suburban kids that were going like this.
We played in a scrimmage, Passaic.
Versace, New Jersey.
It's like one of the big cities, you know?
And they had Ironhead Hayward.
Remember that guy?
He went pro.
Big, giant man-sized black man from Passaic.
And we scattered like deer.
We saw him coming after our all-white league, and then not just a black guy, but an ultimate gigantic black guy.
unidentified
Jesus Christ!
joe rogan
Oh my God, look at the size of that guy.
When you see him, especially with football pads on, the shoulder pads, you're like, oh my God.
How big is that guy?
tom papa
They would just hand him the ball and just tell him to run straight.
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you going to do about that?
That's so not fair.
That's why I think fighting is so much safer, because there's weight classes.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Like, a dude like me and a guy like that should never be involved in an altercation.
unidentified
No, no way!
joe rogan
That's just not fair.
How big is he?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
He's only 5'11", 265. Jesus Christ.
tom papa
So thick.
joe rogan
He's a tank.
tom papa
From his back to his front on the side was probably six feet.
joe rogan
You know how thick you have to be to be 5'11", 265?
That's what Mark Hunt is.
Mark Hunt, the kickboxer who fights in the UFC, he's so thick.
He's like 5'10", 5'11", 265. Just fucking massive.
tom papa
That's massive.
joe rogan
Samoan, though.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
He's the super Samoan.
Like, Samoans, in general, are really powerful people.
tom papa
They're just a thick people.
joe rogan
They are a durable, powerful race of people.
It's amazing.
Because you need to think about it.
Those people, the Polynesians and, you know, those island folk, they were traveling in canoes back and forth across the oceans.
It probably required severe physical strength, right?
But when you see Polynesians, Hawaiians, a lot of them, they're fucking stout people.
tom papa
Big time.
Meaty.
But athletic meaty, like solid.
joe rogan
Built fucking powerful.
tom papa
But they're big down low, too.
So when you're in a canoe, you're just all upper body.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they gotta carry those canoes, too, man.
You gotta carry stuff.
You're probably packing out your camps and running up hills.
tom papa
Eating coconuts with your feet.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
How would you do that?
tom papa
You hold it up with your feet?
Well, Samoans, they were able to hold canoes over their head and then pick up coconuts with their toes as they walked and bite it like an apple.
joe rogan
No, that's not true.
You almost had me, son of a bitch.
I was like, wow, I was going over in my head.
I was doing it like I was mimicking it.
Okay, he's got the canoe.
Why wouldn't they put the canoe down?
I mean, what kind of a hurry are they in that he can't pick up a coconut?
The whole thing was so confusing to me.
And then when he said bite it like an apple, I'm like, he got me.
tom papa
No, but while I was a kid playing football, I kind of went between groups.
But there were the jocks, and the burnouts were the kids getting high in the back, and then there were the band kids.
My kids are in school now.
Those classifications don't really exist anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
tom papa
They're really mushed together.
unidentified
Do you think there's some jocks still?
joe rogan
Like bros and jocks and skaters?
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
We're so old.
joe rogan
We shouldn't be talking about these kids.
They're going to be mad.
They're like, you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about, old man.
tom papa
Well, I literally, yeah, because, yeah, I don't go to...
I'm not in seventh grade.
I got to ask questions.
And they don't...
Smart girls get high.
Wow.
joe rogan
Like bookworm girls get high?
tom papa
Jocks are in choir.
It's more acceptable to be yourself.
They grew up in a time when you could be anything and do anything.
Is that real?
And no one shit on you for trying things.
joe rogan
Is that real?
tom papa
It's real.
joe rogan
That's amazing if that's true.
tom papa
It's totally true.
They have a whole different way of looking at the world.
They look at the way we were raised as animals.
Just saying the meanest shit to other people and people just shitting on you for trying anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
They look at that like it's cavemen times.
They're like, you would call someone fat?
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
You would call someone retarded or gay?
I mean, all that stuff is, you know, it's a lot of word speak conversation, but it's manifested itself into the way these kids were raised and they're sweeter and kinder.
joe rogan
Wow, that's interesting.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so fascinating.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
It's so fascinating to see, like, real cultural evolution.
Because if you go back, you know, to the beginning of the 20th century and those poor people that were surviving through the Depression.
And you ever read any books on the Depression?
tom papa
Yeah.
Grapes of Wrath.
joe rogan
There was a book, I think it was called McGurdy.
It was by a guy named Bob Burns, who's a famous billiards historian.
And he wrote this book about a pool hustler during the Depression that traveled literally by train car like a hobo from town to town and found people to gamble with these bars and they would hustle and pretend they didn't play very well and lose a little bit of money and then win money.
You know, that kind of stuff.
tom papa
I like it already, yeah.
joe rogan
But it was a really depressing book, man.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
People were suffering?
joe rogan
People were suffering, and there was this one story where he was literally knocking on this guy's house, begging for food.
And the guy brought him out some sausage.
And they had a soup together, and he was just describing the food that this guy had given him, and how wonderful it was, and how amazing it was in that moment.
He was literally dying.
His body was giving out from hunger.
tom papa
God.
In America.
joe rogan
In America?
tom papa
In 1929-30.
joe rogan
Is that when the depression was officially?
Yeah, the stock market crash was 29. It's so scary that the stock market is a real thing.
Like, I was trying to explain this to someone, like, what my frustration with it is.
Because I was like, okay, just look at it this way.
And I don't know, if you're a financial person, you're like, oh my god, you're so stupid.
You really think it works that way?
But this is what I'm saying.
If you look at the world...
And you look at all the people.
The number of people stays constant.
The resources stay constant.
There's kind of the same amount of metal.
There's the same amount of silicon.
There's the same amount of all the different materials we use to make things.
The same countries are in place.
The money's the same.
What the fuck happened that all of a sudden everything's terrible?
You have this state where you have prosperity.
Everything's wonderful.
People are doing great.
Then the stock market crashes.
And when the stock market crashes, all these people lose their jobs, and mortgage rates get fucked, and everybody's fucked, and there's just this terrible period of fear.
But meanwhile, the earth is the same.
It's almost like we create these disasters.
We create these...
These systematic, they're like inside the system that we've created.
tom papa
Well, that's what it is.
And it's the system that we've built to survive and be able to trade goods and food and homes and the structure we built to live and be safe from the outside elements on this planet, right?
unidentified
So weird.
tom papa
But that thing has to run and it runs by money and money circulates all that stuff all around all the time.
There's still money when all that stuff happens, but it's up here clogged with very select places, and then the rest, the flow, just stopped.
There's no more water coming to these tributaries anymore, and everybody goes tanking.
joe rogan
Such a goofy system.
You know what that feels like?
That feels like someone...
We took Windows 95 and just kept upgrading it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And now, here we are in 2017, we don't get a new operating system.
We get a new operating system for a fucking computer, which is not really that goddamn important.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
All in all, if you could choose between a good operating system for life, a much better, more updated operating system for civilization, or whether or not you could get online.
You got online in 95, your shit would work.
Yeah.
tom papa
What are you doing?
joe rogan
You're writing emails?
You're checking your Twitter?
How much time do you take online?
It would work fine.
As long as the web browser didn't crash, you could go to the websites.
It's way more important to have a new operating system for life.
We don't even touch that stupid thing.
tom papa
You can't.
It's too massive.
And what really bothers me, and it's really been on my mind lately, is that you can't escape...
The herd.
You can't...
Right now, like, everything was really crashing in 2008. I mean, that scenario that you're talking about where everything just stopped, like, all the top people were like, the economy is grinding to a halt this afternoon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That calamity, right, took everybody's savings and messed it up and all that stuff.
So now...
And everybody had to go through it.
Now things have kind of come back and they're coming back.
And there's this Trump bump on the stock market.
Things are really going really high.
And some people think it's a bubble and this is just a false thing.
And it's going to crash.
And some people even say it's going to crash worse than 2008 if things go really haywire.
My question is, if we know that, how do I get out of the way of the tsunami?
Why do I just have to go with everybody else?
What can I do with my money where I could be safe from these tides that take everybody?
joe rogan
That's a really good question, but I think the question that overwhelms that question is, why the fuck are we still doing it like this?
That seems to be a better question, because it seems crazy.
tom papa
Well, how are you going to reboot it?
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
You're right.
I don't know.
You're right.
I don't have any...
I have fucking zero education in economics.
I know almost nothing about how all that stuff works.
tom papa
I did a show two weekends ago for these financial people.
Really fun show, you know, it's like their private event.
I'm talking to them after the show at the bar, meet and greet kind of thing.
And some of these guys who are our age, who are just economic guys, they're in finance, they start these conversations.
About buying and selling properties and shifting stocks and bonds and all this and what are the bond market doing?
It's like they're speaking Chinese.
And I felt like a 10-year-old kid.
I'm like, this is what the rich people talk about!
I wish I understood some of that.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
You know what it's like to me?
It's like when someone starts bringing up chess moves.
We're talking about specific chess games like Kasparov playing some dude.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they start, you know, Rook to King 2 or whatever the numbers are.
And I'm like, what?
What is he doing?
What's happening?
tom papa
And they go seven in.
joe rogan
I knew a guy and he went to prison.
And when he came out of prison, he had learned to play chess in his head.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
So he could sit there...
And him and this kid, there was this kid who was a really, really interesting guy.
He was a really tiny kid that used to come to this pool.
He was super smart.
But he was like this little, almost like a fucking honey badger.
Really funny kid, man.
tom papa
A pool where you would go?
joe rogan
Yeah, he would pick fights with people.
And he was a tiny little guy.
He was so little that people would be like, what is this guy doing?
But anyway, he was super fucking smart.
I guess he just felt like he had to establish his place in the social pecking order because he was so little.
And it was a pool hall.
And he was a really smart guy.
So I think his strategy was to yell at people.
Like one time he yelled at me.
tom papa
Really?
What age?
joe rogan
Oh man, he was probably like 15 or 16. Wow.
And I was, you know, 25. I was like, dude, why are you yelling at me, man?
unidentified
That's funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, what are you crazy?
Like, what are you doing?
I had to have a conversation with him.
unidentified
That's weird.
joe rogan
I go, dude, I'm not your enemy.
We're arguing over a pool game.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
Yeah, just what's going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't say you'll take me outside.
I go, listen, man, how old are you?
And he goes, like, 15. I go, dude, I'm not, I just, listen, I'm not, I'm not your enemy.
We're trying to figure out who's right on a foul.
You know what a foul is?
Fouls whether or not like you're playing pool and maybe your tip touched the ball before it was supposed to and then you try to ignore it and then someone calls you on or the hit is bad like you don't hit the number ball you're supposed to if you're playing nine ball the other guy's supposed to get ball in hand.
If it's a competitive thing like a tournament those conversations get pretty emotional.
People get really upset like I definitely did not foul.
But all of a sudden he was like trying to start a fight.
tom papa
And how tall is he?
joe rogan
Not big at all, okay?
And this is like right after I just maybe had my last fight.
This was a couple of years before that.
So I was still kickboxing.
I was still training all the time.
And I was like, this is the craziest conversation I can't believe I'm having with this little kid.
And so I pulled him outside and I go, we just had, you know, just kind of a down-to-earth.
You know, you gotta get respect from these fucking people.
I go, not like that, man.
Someone's gonna hit you.
tom papa
It was a planned thing.
joe rogan
He was a smart fucking kid.
It was cool afterwards because I had this kind of conversation.
He knew that if we ever did have a conversation before, I was never going to go to a bad place.
I was just going to talk to him.
So it made it a nice thing because he was a wizard.
He was a really smart kid.
tom papa
For pool, is that like chess?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a big advantage.
Yeah, because you're also smart in the execution of your shot.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like one of the things about pool is the execution of your shot should be almost effortless.
You rely on your structure.
You rely on your stance.
You rely on your technique.
And it's supposed to be like incredibly gentle.
And smart people can figure that out better than dumb people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just get up there and slam it.
Instead of slamming the ball, instead of using your muscles.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Instead, they'd stroke the ball where the weight of the cue is kind of doing all the work.
The point is this kid was so fucking smart that him and that prison guy would get together and play chess in their head.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
And I would sit there like a stupid ape.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
I sat there and I just pulled up a stool and I just watched them.
They were playing chess.
They went through a full game in their head.
I was like, this is so crazy.
They know where all the pieces are.
tom papa
It's so crazy.
That's what it was like with these financial guys.
It was like...
You know what?
They're just smarter.
I was never that great in math.
My head isn't built for talking about that stuff.
They're smarter in that area.
joe rogan
That is what it's like.
When you hear them talking, it's like knight to rook six.
Like, what?
Where is that?
What's happening?
Where's the grid?
I don't understand the grid.
But it's even more complex.
They're talking about dividends, bonds, and fucking...
tom papa
I know.
And they can make a lot of money because they just have that knowledge.
joe rogan
Sure.
And some of them start doing coke.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they get crazy.
tom papa
And leave their families.
joe rogan
Oh man, that's a business where people go off the rails.
tom papa
But like, what can you do to protect yourself?
Say Trump goes off the rails, and the stock market goes down again, There's nothing you can do right now to prepare yourself for that.
You can put your money in cash, but then it's not growing.
joe rogan
I think the amount of pressure that guy's under is probably unmanageable.
I think very few people can manage that pressure.
I think that job's insane.
I don't think it should be real.
I don't think it should be a job.
tom papa
It should be five people.
joe rogan
It should be a ton of people.
I mean, I don't even think five people's enough.
I don't even know, man.
I feel like it almost should be all of us.
Yeah, well, it's supposed to be.
It seems like if you wanted to give your reason, you, Tom Papa, wanted to give your reasons why we shouldn't be engaging in some sort of a military action against North Korea or whatever's next, you'd have to do it.
You'd have to write it out or you'd have to record it, right?
You'd have to give a coherent reason why you feel that that would be considered.
So you'd be like one person.
Imagine if there's 350 million of us or whatever the hell it is right now.
Everyone having a single opinion, a nuanced, complex, comprehensive opinion on any sort of an action that anything in the government is doing that represents us.
That's what the government is.
I mean, there's these people, it's boiled down to a few people that are supposed to successfully represent us and all of our ideas, but there's no way they could know what our ideas are.
tom papa
No.
But you can come close to being like, okay, my town, if you go to Congress and be like, my state...
Really thinks weed should be legal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You know, you can get that consensus, you know?
joe rogan
Sort of, yeah.
tom papa
Sort of.
I don't know how accurately they can do it.
joe rogan
Well, it's probably really inaccurate in certain ways.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's just, it seems to me...
tom papa
It is strange, though.
I mean, to be that president, to be one guy...
It really is a thing about, you know, there is one guy on the top of Virgin or Tesla, but it's their job to run things and have people doing stuff for them.
It's almost a job that's more about...
and patience than it is like you know taking everybody's thing on yeah that's what's so unsettling about the time right now you want someone you want dad to be at the steering wheel and you feel good and safe in the backseat well that's why a lot of people are really excited about Trump's because he's confident and if you're like a confident older man who's successful people like there's a natural instinct like an alpha chimpanzee now It's an alpha.
It's an alpha thing, you're right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a total, there's a total instinct to try to acquiesce.
And also an instinct to challenge.
There's going to be a big instinct to challenge him because of who he is, too.
tom papa
Yeah.
And he sees weaknesses and see where he can swipe out his ankle and...
joe rogan
It shouldn't exist, folks.
This is highlighting what's wrong.
And everybody's like, yeah, you don't know anything about politics.
And you're right.
I don't.
I know so little about politics.
I don't know a lot about a lot of things.
tom papa
Who does?
Nobody does.
joe rogan
But I know one thing.
I know that I can see patterns and trends.
I see them.
I'm pretty good at it.
And I see a pattern and trend in our communication, in our expression of ideas.
It's like what you were talking about with kids today.
I'm not surprised by that at all, and I'm excited by it.
Because I think that people are more open-minded today.
They're way smarter than I was when I was their age.
If you talk to an average 10-year-old or 11-year-old, they know so much more about how the world works than I did when I was that age.
tom papa
Just the amount of work they have to do in school is...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Ten times what we had.
joe rogan
But they're still all being trapped by the same system.
They still have the same educational system, which I think is fucking bananas.
unidentified
That's bananas.
joe rogan
You make kids go to school all day, and then at the end of that, you give them homework?
How about fuck you?
How many hours in a day is there?
You're preparing people for suck.
That's what you're doing.
tom papa
Yeah.
My kids, they're up until 11 o'clock at night doing work.
Not hanging out, not screwing around.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
tom papa
Working.
joe rogan
That takes away the rest of your life.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
You need life.
It's really important.
tom papa
You have to enjoy.
Especially when it's a curriculum that...
In the public schools that is geared towards a manufacturing middle class.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Now, they're still learning in that way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're learning like robots.
tom papa
If you want these kids to...
They could work so much smarter about more up-to-date teaching methods and things that are going to apply to get jobs going out.
Then it's like, alright, spend a little time on that.
joe rogan
They're also training people to put their energy into things that don't bring them joy.
They're training a certain kind of discipline.
A certain kind of morose, dark gray cloud discipline.
You're totally right.
unidentified
Go to the factory, hit with a hammer.
joe rogan
Bang, bang.
Stay alive!
In order to stay alive, we have to work.
Bang, bang, bang.
Row those fucking boats across the ocean.
tom papa
And you're a kid like, but wait, I just want to hang out.
joe rogan
But I want a skateboard, man.
Tony Hawk makes way more than you do, Dad.
tom papa
I'm so much happier there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, there's so many people that want to do so many things, and they fucking could.
They could.
tom papa
They could, but as a parent.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck all that.
tom papa
I mean, I've got two, and one is not into school.
Is not into it.
joe rogan
Pull him out.
tom papa
She seems like a comedian.
joe rogan
Pull her out.
tom papa
She seems the same.
She's funny.
She doesn't care about authority.
She's clever.
Just not into school.
joe rogan
She's probably smart.
She sees her dad.
tom papa
She is, but she's...
joe rogan
She sees her dad.
He's like, this guy doesn't do nothing.
unidentified
I know!
joe rogan
He sits around talking shit about bread.
unidentified
That's right.
That's exactly it.
tom papa
He's baking bread.
joe rogan
He's always smiling.
tom papa
I either see him baking bread or going to a show.
joe rogan
I'm Billy's dad.
I just had a heart attack.
That's true!
Billy's dad freaking out.
He works at a fucking financial institution.
tom papa
Yeah, you don't go to work.
You don't go to this stuff.
But as a parent, I can't be like, yeah, just hang out.
joe rogan
No, you can't be just hang out, but you can be like, find your groove, find a thing, and then get into it.
You know, I think introducing kids to things that they can get into is super important.
tom papa
But what about the school thing?
If your kid brings home C's, do you get honor, or do you say...
You gotta step it up.
There's a real problem.
Stepping it up is making her that drone.
joe rogan
Well, there's a real problem.
That kind of learning is boring.
Listen, I was not into science at school.
I can't get enough science as an adult.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
As an adult, I constantly read Scientific American.
I watch all those science shows on TV about fucking space and astrology.
tom papa
Because they make it look cool.
joe rogan
It's fascinating.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Cosmos, you ever see the Neil deGrasse Tyson series?
tom papa
Oh, the best!
joe rogan
I couldn't wait for that thing to come on every week.
tom papa
We celebrated when that came on.
joe rogan
Look, science is fascinating.
They find these seven new exoplanets that they think can inhabit life.
You're like, Jesus!
tom papa
I know, they're like Earth.
joe rogan
This is all amazing.
When I was a kid, I could not have given less of a fuck.
I didn't care about any of it.
I was like, boring!
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
Boring teachers, man.
Boring teachers.
100%.
If Neil deGrasse Tyson was my astronomy teacher in high school or taught astrophysics or whatever and taught it the way he teaches things, when he talks about stuff, he gets you so excited about the ideas that he's talking about.
tom papa
Yeah.
Because he's intelligent and can explain it in a way that you'll understand and be excited.
joe rogan
I think his passion for it's real.
He's really excited by it.
Here's another thing.
It's almost like it's engineered to be that way, and I don't want to get all fucking crazy Tower 7 on anybody, but if you look at the idea of school itself, why the fuck are they paying those teachers so little?
I mean teachers, they have arguably the most important job in developing your child outside of you.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's you, the parent, and then the teacher.
tom papa
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
And how many teachers are just kind of barely getting by with a total ceiling on how much money they can make?
tom papa
You're right.
Because my science teacher was...
He wasn't, like, being paid...
He was a stressed-out, chain-smoking, angry guy in bad, shitty clothes because he couldn't afford anything else.
This guy's life pressures are so huge.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
He can't be, like...
Jazzed about science.
He's worried about getting kicked out of his apartment and whether he's got lung cancer from chain smoking.
If you did pay this guy, Twice what he was making, he'd be relaxed, he'd be motivated, he'd be into it, he could spend more time putting together his lesson plans.
unidentified
He'd feel appreciated.
joe rogan
You know, but if that's what you want to do, like if you want to be a teacher, they go, well, you know how much you're going to get paid.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But why?
It's one of those things where you're getting paid that much because people have decided you're getting paid that much.
They decided to only allocate a certain amount of resources towards education.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, think about how much more money they spend on military.
tom papa
Well, I was just going to say that there's no talk right now about increasing spending for schools.
joe rogan
It's probably the most important thing we could do is make less losers, right?
Make the schools better.
tom papa
It is the most important thing.
But...
Is there an advantage to keeping some part of the population dumb?
joe rogan
Man, that's the big conspiracy theory, right?
But I don't think it's a conspiracy.
I think it is just a convenience.
I think once people are in a community that's poor, there's no incentive for the wealthy people that are in government or running government to say, let's allocate an inordinate amount of resources to try to rebuild these areas.
They don't benefit from that.
tom papa
Or people with money.
joe rogan
The only way you can get them to benefit...
Nah, I saw that.
Chance the Rapper donated a million dollars to the Chicago Public School System.
Congratulations to that guy.
That's a fucking awesome human being.
He's a great...
Plus, ballin', if you could donate a million.
Shit, how much did you make, kid?
unidentified
Yeah.
Hashtag ballin'.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I just think that it's not necessarily a conspiracy as much as it's just easy to ignore.
Those people don't have political influence.
tom papa
And the people making the decisions put their kids in private school and they don't have to worry.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom papa
If everybody had to go to their local public school, I bet things would change.
joe rogan
Well, it's worse because you're making things less safe because you're creating more crime, because you're creating more disenfranchised people, and you're creating more of a need to stay in your wealthy communities.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know how it is?
I mean, it is what it is, but it's something that there's no incentive to change.
It's not like there's a giant amount of pressure to look at the same way we look at it.
We have to go to Afghanistan and make sure it doesn't fall apart.
I mean, you fucking...
Chicago's falling apart, man.
Like, what are you talking about?
It's right there.
Why do you have to go to Afghanistan when you haven't done shit about Detroit?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Detroit is completely...
There's a lot of fucked up spots in this country where there's dangerous...
Flint still doesn't have good water, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that still going on in Flint, Michigan?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What in the fuck?
tom papa
And it's gonna get worse now because they're cutting out the...
They're abolishing the clean water.
joe rogan
So it's going to get worse.
tom papa
What's going to happen...
Look, we all are nervous about a lot of different things.
My only focus is the environment and what's going on with that because that I care the most about and I don't like my kids to be sick.
joe rogan
It's also something you can't pull back.
They're reversing everything.
tom papa
They're reversing everything.
Emissions on cars.
They're going to come to California.
Who has the most advanced emissions controls and it's working.
They're going to force California to lessen the emissions restrictions the way that the rest of the country is and they're going to go back like 20 years.
They're changing emissions.
You know what they're doing?
They're not funding...
Satellites that keep track of climate change.
They're going to cut off the information so you don't complain when Miami's underwater.
They're putting waste back in the waters.
They're taking all the regulations off.
The head of the EPA is the guy who sued the shit out of the EPA. Hates the EPA. They're tearing it all down.
joe rogan
Can I ask you a question, Tom Pompa?
tom papa
Drilling for gas in Yellowstone.
You want to see that?
This is where they're opening the door for all of this.
Just...
Yes, you can ask me a question.
joe rogan
Are you a cuck?
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Do you know what that means?
No.
People who are anti-Trump when you are...
tom papa
Oh, that's a cuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom papa
No, my only focus is what's going to happen with the environment.
joe rogan
It's also like...
tom papa
It sounds more like a...
joe rogan
Goddammit, what is the official definition again?
It used to be cuckold, based on cuckold, which is like a man who likes watching other men fuck his wife.
Because there's a whole level of porn.
And then, what's the official definition now?
It was confusing to us, but it's sort of a political thing.
It's sort of like pretending you're progressive when you're not.
tom papa
New one, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a new one.
An insult that reveals sexual insecurity, misogyny, and fear of those who use the term.
Oh, that's so ridiculous.
Oh, that's so ridiculous.
In GQ magazine, what does cuck mean?
Why are you being called one?
A weak, feckless, spineless, and decidedly pathetic specimen of manliness.
It's a derivative of the term cuck.
Okay, so that makes sense.
tom papa
Cuckold.
joe rogan
Angry white people.
Why angry white people?
tom papa
Love calling people cucks.
joe rogan
Angry with white men.
tom papa
It's funny.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
It's a fun word to call people.
tom papa
It is pretty funny.
It was insulting when you said it.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
Yeah, it felt like, no, I don't think I am.
unidentified
Well, you know what?
joe rogan
You can still say it on the news.
unidentified
It's just like, fuck, but it's with a C, and you can still say it.
joe rogan
Well, he's a cuck.
That's the real problem.
And the newscaster would be like, we'll be right back with the weather.
They don't even know what to say.
You just say it right there.
You can even say the word cuckold.
tom papa
Cuck you.
joe rogan
And he loves cuckold erotica.
You could probably say that on regular TV and they would not be able to do anything about it.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
They'd be stuck.
And you've just painted a ruthless image in their mind of some poor sobbing man by some fucking dude that looks like Ironhead is laying pipe to the lady.
tom papa
They take you off to the green room.
Look, we know you can say it.
Can you just not?
Just stop saying it.
joe rogan
Those people need to stop.
All those people that tell you, we know you can, but you shouldn't.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't say that word.
Just don't.
Fuck you.
Fuck you and your magic words.
What are you, a child?
There's certain words you can't say.
That is another thing that has to go.
And it's being more and more highlighted by the internet.
It's why you're seeing in television shows, like if you watch The Walking Dead, you'll see a lot of random use of swears.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, and you'll hear random use of swears on other shows.
tom papa
Yeah, on Cable.
joe rogan
Yeah, on Cable.
tom papa
People say shit during their TV sets on Conan.
joe rogan
Shit, yes.
Shit is okay.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
We've changed it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But you still can't say fuck.
Right.
If you watch like Walking Dead, I don't think they ever say fuck.
I'm pretty sure.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
See if they do.
tom papa
I don't think so.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure they just say shit and asshole and they can say tits and...
tom papa
My last Colbert, which I did in December-ish, they said I couldn't say fly open one ball out.
joe rogan
Hmm.
tom papa
I could say fly open one testicle out.
unidentified
Hmm.
tom papa
Or I could say fly open everything out.
But couldn't say one ball.
joe rogan
Doug Stanhope came up with an idea when we were doing our version of The Man Show that was a big fat failure.
Doug came up with this idea to do a game show where a dude had a box over his private areas and a light would go off.
Whenever you had an erection.
There was a red light.
We controlled the light, obviously.
So it'd be like dwarves eating bananas, light goes off.
Guy's hairy ass, light goes off.
And they told us, Doug's name for the show was Make Me Hard.
And they told us we couldn't have it called Make Me Hard.
We had to change it to Make Me Stiff.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And we were like, what?
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
And they're like, hard is just too, it's just not the right word.
We think make me stiff.
And there's these two ladies that we're talking to that have nothing to do with comedy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like, literally nothing.
Like, how is that?
Stiff is actually more offensive.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, it sounds like a really dumb person.
Hey, I got a stiffy over here.
unidentified
Ready to stick my fucking stiffy in you.
tom papa
It's disgusting.
joe rogan
So when we were doing this, this light, obviously, we controlled.
So we played this game show.
So we couldn't call it Make Me Hard.
We had to change it to Make Me Stiff.
We lost the argument.
It was the stupidest fucking argument.
And it was so indicative of how frustrating those shows can be.
We have all these fucking chefs in the kitchen.
I just think it would be better if he was wearing blue underwear.
I just think it would look better.
tom papa
It would look better!
joe rogan
So the guy's lying there, and we have this woman come out, and she's got these big juicy tits, and he's sucking on them, and she's climbing on them, and everybody's going, ooh!
And they put...
Whipped cream on her tits and he's sucking the whipped cream off her nipples and he was like heavy duty stuff.
Then she pulls her pants down and she's got a dick.
Not only does she have a dick, she has a dick that looks like it had been poisoned.
You know?
Because she's a transvestite or transsexual rather.
What do you mean?
tom papa
Like all bubbly?
joe rogan
She's a woman.
tom papa
Why do you look like poisoned?
joe rogan
Because the estrogen had killed the dick.
tom papa
Oh no.
joe rogan
It was dark and it was...
Like a crispy french fry you get at Jerry's Deli.
tom papa
Oh no!
Oh no.
joe rogan
But that was okay.
That was alright.
unidentified
To show all that.
joe rogan
All that was okay.
Yeah, I mean, we had to blur the dick.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But that was okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just can't use the word hard.
tom papa
So weird.
joe rogan
So stupid.
tom papa
So weird.
joe rogan
Hard's a bad word.
It's hard a bad word.
Fuck off.
tom papa
Testicle sounded worse than ball to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
One testicle out?
tom papa
Yeah, testicle sounds...
joe rogan
What about half a sack?
tom papa
Ball's kind of fun.
joe rogan
Half sack?
tom papa
Half sack.
Heck out.
jamie vernon
Negan said fuck a few times in that scene where he was...
joe rogan
That bat scene, I guess.
unidentified
Oh, did he?
tom papa
There's an uncensored version where he says it like 23 times.
An uncensored version.
jamie vernon
I didn't see the real version, so...
joe rogan
That was the scene that made me stop watching that show.
I was like, that's it.
What am I watching?
I'm watching a torture show.
This isn't a fun show anymore.
This isn't a show where people are trying to get away from zombies.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
The zombies are inconsequential.
You can push them aside now.
They used to eat horses raw.
They used to tear a horse apart.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Now you can just kind of trip them and push them.
tom papa
Oh, really?
Is that what it's devolved to?
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
Nobody gets killed by zombies.
Everybody gets killed by each other.
I was like, this is so stupid.
tom papa
It's been on a long time.
joe rogan
That's enough.
tom papa
Yeah.
That's enough.
I think I watched one season.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just can't...
If it was like 28 Days Later Zombies, I think it'd be way better.
I think there's something about the fact these zombies are so fucking slow, and they never seem to starve to death.
Like, explain to me how they're still going.
tom papa
Don't they eat brains?
joe rogan
But there's no one to eat.
They're all zombies.
They don't eat each other, which is bizarre as fuck.
What do you have, like, zombie rules?
Where you can't cannibalize each other?
How come you fucks are running around looking for people that are moving?
And you're moving, and you don't eat each other.
tom papa
That's where we draw the line.
But you're stupid as fuck.
joe rogan
You have cloudy eyes, you can barely see.
All people have to do is cover themselves with guts and blood, and they pass as a zombie.
And they walk around you.
tom papa
That's all you gotta do?
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
Yeah.
It makes me mad.
tom papa
So stupid.
joe rogan
It makes me mad, Tom Papa.
tom papa
It makes me mad, too.
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Making up their own zombie-ass rules.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fuck you and your zombie rules.
tom papa
Yeah.
Stick with the plan!
joe rogan
See those 28 Days Later zombies?
tom papa
Those are the fast ones?
joe rogan
Those are the fast ones.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the ones I like.
The ones that look like they're on rabies.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just chase you.
tom papa
I saw those in Thousand Oaks.
joe rogan
You saw a zombie like that?
tom papa
Yeah, like a whole herd of- A real one?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was going on?
tom papa
I was just- Sale?
What's that?
joe rogan
Was there a sale?
There was- A Black Friday sale?
tom papa
It was Black Friday.
joe rogan
Is that the worst thing that we do as a culture?
tom papa
It's- Yeah.
joe rogan
Trample over each other on the way through Walmart?
tom papa
Yeah.
Who does?
Who does?
joe rogan
Who does that?
tom papa
Yeah.
I don't do it.
Do you do it?
joe rogan
I don't do it, but a lot of people do it.
tom papa
What people?
joe rogan
People I don't know.
People on TV. My kids want to do it.
No, don't let them do it.
unidentified
People get hurt.
I'm not.
tom papa
It's disgusting.
joe rogan
Well, it's just ridiculous.
tom papa
Yeah, you line up outside of a store.
joe rogan
And run in.
And you save $10 or whatever the fuck you save.
unidentified
How much do you save?
tom papa
I've got this piece of crap.
Yeah, how much do you save?
Who cares?
Why don't you make a nice little card instead of going to...
joe rogan
You know what, though?
There's things that become things.
Like, somehow or another, they just become events.
Like, um, it used to be Devil's Night in Detroit, which was the day before Halloween.
There were lighthouses on fire.
tom papa
Devil's night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
We had cabbage night.
joe rogan
It was arson night.
Wasn't it?
Is that what it's called?
Devil's night?
See if you find that.
tom papa
Literally light people's homes with them in it?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, I don't know.
We had cabbage night.
tom papa
You'd throw eggs at the cops and...
joe rogan
Cabbage?
tom papa
It was called cabbage night the night before.
joe rogan
Why?
It was a cabbage.
tom papa
It was old-timey New Jersey.
One time there was cabbage in the fields.
joe rogan
Angel's Night is an event designed to mitigate criminal acts associated with Devil's Night in Detroit.
After Brutal's Devil's Night in 1994, then-new mayor Dennis Archer promised city residents arson would not be tolerated.
Yeah.
Devil's Night is...
Scroll down to see if there's a...
tom papa
That didn't catch on, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the Devil's Night thing apparently was going on a lot.
We'd hear about it in high school.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Look at the flaming bags of canine feces in front of port shops.
tom papa
That's always fun.
joe rogan
Canine feces.
You can't even say, who says feces?
Who are you talking to that say feces?
Well, if you said shit, I would have never known what you were saying, so thank you for saying feces.
tom papa
Isn't there something nice to using feces once in a while rather than shit?
joe rogan
Yes.
If a scientist is doing it.
If I'm talking to a scientist and he's like, well, it's really important that we get feces samples of these animals to make sure that we...
tom papa
You don't want your doctor saying, go shit in this cup.
joe rogan
I'm out here collecting animal shit.
Make sure we got a lot of them.
Those guys, I was watching this show on the Science Channel last night.
Science Channel, by the way, is...
It's not all science.
unidentified
If you leave that thing on, there's a lot of fucking, they get goofy.
tom papa
What do you mean?
joe rogan
They just start selling UFOs.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
They do these shows, man, where there's a certain amount of experts.
There's a guy, I really want to get him on.
He's the preeminent, legitimately intelligent UFO expert.
His name is Stanton Friedman.
I think he's a nuclear physicist, actually.
tom papa
A real guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
See if you can find his Wikipedia.
I believe his name is Stanton Friedman.
And he was on one of those last time, but he's one of those guys where you see him on one of those shows, you go, oh, I know I'm watching a show about bullshit.
Because he's a UFO guy.
And it's not that he's full of shit.
He actually makes some real sense as far as what kind of physics would be required in order to make a craft that can travel between worlds.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Is that the UFO guy?
tom papa
But if he's on the show, yeah.
joe rogan
No, that's not the same guy.
Civilian investigator of the Roswell incident?
Maybe it is, yeah.
Where's his picture, though?
His picture looks weird.
Oh, it's just a weird angle of him.
Yeah, that's him.
That's him.
Yeah, Stanton Friedman.
Yeah, he was on the show last night.
I was watching.
I was like, oh, you son of a bitch.
tom papa
Next is Bigfoot.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
He's coming.
Sidekicks are coming.
But before that, there was a show about this explorer that something...
I forget his name.
Christopher Columbus.
I tweeted it yesterday to somebody, in response to somebody.
I tweeted the whole incident, and then I tweeted this guy's name.
But he was an explorer in 1925 that went into the Amazon, and he was looking for El Dorado, which is like this purported city of gold.
There was a legendary story in the Amazon.
Yeah, but there was something about him that I tweeted earlier.
tom papa
And a great car, the El Dorado.
joe rogan
Well, anyway, this guy, in 1925, went to the Amazon and saw these mounds.
These mounds, you know, this is almost 100 years ago.
And he wanted to investigate these mounds because he got on top of one of them and he looked out and he saw another mound.
There was his name, Percy Fawcett.
He saw another mound out in the distance and then he realized that they were on a grid and he realized that there's a city here.
This is a city.
He's like, oh my God, I'm looking.
These aren't dirt mounds.
tom papa
It's a lost city.
joe rogan
Yeah, these are stone structures that the Earth has sort of covered up.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Because the Amazon is just so dense.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It just covers everything.
tom papa
Massive.
joe rogan
So, super recently, like within the last decade, they've got these satellite images of that area, and they found these pictures, like what Jamie just pulled up that last article.
See those images?
That's all stuff that they found out from the ceiling, or from satellites, rather, from the ceiling.
tom papa
It looks like a snowman!
joe rogan
They were saying that they did these, well, they're just, you know, it's just paths and structures.
There's a bunch of them, though.
There's a ton of them.
tom papa
When was this discovered?
joe rogan
Really recently.
Really recently.
But, so, one of the, on the show, they were saying that they carbon-tested some of these mounds, and they were over 6,000 years old.
So 6,000 years old, this is the speculation, this show might have been wrong, but what they were asserting, and it could totally be true, because it definitely was some culture 6,000 years ago they're just finding out about, but that 6,000 years ago, somehow or another, these people had created irrigation, they had created these pathways, they had made a grid, like a system.
tom papa
Pretty advanced.
joe rogan
Well, it looked like a city.
It didn't look like a settled group of tents or something like that.
tom papa
How long have human beings been on the planet?
joe rogan
It's an enormous area, too.
It's bigger than Georgia.
What does it say there?
It could have maintained a population of 60,000 people, more people than in many medieval European cities.
Wow, the structures were created by a network of trenches about 36 feet, nearly 11 meters wide, and several feet deep.
Lined by banks up to three feet high, some were ringed by low mounds containing ceramics, charcoal, and stone tools.
It's thought that they were used for fortifications, homes, and ceremonies and could have maintained populations of 60,000.
That's insane.
tom papa
They sound fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, great people.
They were cannibals.
tom papa
Oh, yeah, but other than that...
joe rogan
The ones that he found.
tom papa
Yeah, but other than that, they were fun.
joe rogan
So he had these guides, and the guides were taking him to this mount.
Obviously, this is, again, a wonky TV show.
Might have been bullshit.
They go fast and loose with the facts in order to make those shows seem more fun, and they got me.
And they were saying that he was told by his guides to stay back.
They wouldn't go any further because there's cannibals.
And he was never seen from again.
The last contact of him, he ran into some other tribes.
I was like, yeah, somebody probably jacked him.
They probably knew even back then, the white people coming over from England.
Like, what?
tom papa
They just wanted his north face.
joe rogan
Probably everything he had back then was probably super nice.
tom papa
How long were people on the planet, though?
joe rogan
People in this form, I think it's been 150,000 years.
tom papa
150?
joe rogan
I think so.
tom papa
And what's the oldest, like...
Town that we found like that.
joe rogan
I think the oldest structures that they know of right now are somewhere around 14,000 plus years ago.
tom papa
14,000.
joe rogan
As far as like stone structures, like when they find...
tom papa
I went to like one of the very first cities, which was in Beirut.
unidentified
Ooh.
tom papa
It was this, I forget the name of it, but it was like one of the original cities, like where they actually started to grid out and stuff.
Wow.
And I don't know how long ago that was.
joe rogan
Well, let's find out what is the oldest known evidence of civilization.
And what do they determine in civilization?
tom papa
There's a bunch of shit.
Like, functioning.
Like, you know, we were hunters-gatherers first, right?
But, yeah, I guess, where do you draw the line?
I guess, when did you have girlfriends and, like, have fun on a Saturday night?
joe rogan
When did you guys have a drive-thru?
That's when it all started.
tom papa
I was at a food festival the other day, and a pretty good band, like these young guys, were playing Elton John Saturday night.
And they were like, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday.
And I was thinking, is that as important to kids as it was?
joe rogan
Yeah, because school.
School makes it important.
tom papa
Like, what?
It's Saturday!
Yeah.
Is that still the way it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, school makes it important.
Earliest evidence of modern human culture found.
20,000 years.
Oh, wow.
44,000 years ago, over 20,000 years before other findings.
tom papa
Wow.
Modern human behavior.
joe rogan
So this is the earliest unambiguous evidence for modern human behavior has been discovered in an international team of researchers in a South African cave.
Now, here's what's crazy.
That is saying that the first evidence of civilization...
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Of modern human behavior was 44,000 years ago.
That's so crazy recent.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so recent.
And then the earliest stone structures, I think, is the stuff they found in Turkey.
The really big stone structures in Turkey at...
Gobekli Tepe.
I think that's the oldest right now as far as like really complex because before then they weren't really convinced that people could do that kind of stuff back then.
So that means in 30,000 years they figured out how to make that.
tom papa
There's got to be like some older structures that they just haven't found that are way down or under the sea.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're guessing.
They're guessing with a lot of evidence.
They're not guessing with a complete supply of evidence.
tom papa
That would be cool if they found this whole other culture.
And it had aliens in it.
joe rogan
Where they find stuff is in the oceans, because the water levels have risen since then.
So they find entire cities underwater.
I think there's probably some amazing evidence they've never even discovered of ancient cities.
tom papa
Oh, there's got to be.
joe rogan
But you gotta think also that what was the city made out of?
Because unless it was made out of solid stone, the ocean's just gonna destroy it.
Like the ocean crept over Malibu.
Do you think you would find anything in 3,000 years?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Right, what would you find?
tom papa
Gary Busey.
Is this thing on?
joe rogan
Lisa Rena.
She'll still be at the bar.
tom papa
What'll I find?
A good time.
Is this thing on?
joe rogan
Who's got the pills?
Come on, we're in Malibu.
Those houses would just vanish.
They would just totally vanish.
Especially that salt water.
tom papa
Nothing was made of metal.
joe rogan
Even if it was, anything made of metal would give out after a thousand years.
tom papa
What about like old ships and stuff that are down under the ocean?
joe rogan
They're not that old.
There's some old ones.
There's nothing that's like, yeah, I mean, there's probably some that there's remnants of it, of like the Roman times.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But think of that.
What's that, 1,000 years?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
2,000 years?
3,000 years?
What about 7,000?
What about 8?
Nothing.
You're not going to find a goddamn thing.
unidentified
40,000.
joe rogan
So we're talking about more than 14,000 years old.
If it was a city like this, you ain't going to find shit.
tom papa
But what if, just hear me out, what if it was covered with lava...
And you couldn't, and then they solidified it like Pompeii.
Cracked that bitch open, and we're rich!
We're rich!
joe rogan
Divers discover ancient Roman treasure trove and shipwreck.
tom papa
1600 year old shipwreck.
unidentified
So there's still some stuff, but like the ship's gone.
joe rogan
Look at the anchor, dude.
They found the anchor.
Go back to that anchor again.
tom papa
You find little coins.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Is that the anchor?
tom papa
Yeah, that's a long anchor.
joe rogan
Fuck!
That's so cool.
tom papa
That is cool.
joe rogan
Imagine that.
They would throw a giant hunk of metal overboard and get it to snag.
tom papa
So you don't move around.
joe rogan
And then they would hope that they'd be able to pick it up.
tom papa
Look at that Roman coin.
joe rogan
Look at the rare bronze statue.
Holy shit, that's incredible.
tom papa
You've been to Rome, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, just once.
Just last summer.
tom papa
Me too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Two summers ago.
joe rogan
Last summer and...
tom papa
It's pretty mind-blowing, isn't it?
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
Life-changing.
The images are insane.
Look at all the stuff they're finding down there.
Wait a minute.
That was a Statue of Liberty.
Why do we have a Statue of Liberty?
Get back to there.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
tom papa
It's a souvenir shop on 3rd Street.
joe rogan
Someone's fucking with us, man.
That's the goddamn Statue of Liberty.
tom papa
That really is the Statue of Liberty.
Holy cow.
The French stole it.
unidentified
It's about as close to the Statue of Liberty as you can get.
tom papa
She's just the same pose, just not holding the torch.
joe rogan
Well, look at the bottom of it.
It's like a horn.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it?
Do you drink out of that or something?
tom papa
I think it's Poseidon.
Oh, what is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is it at the bottom, though?
It seems like it's got...
Doesn't it, Jamie, does it look like a horn?
Like a buffalo horn or some shit?
tom papa
There's like an opening of some kind.
joe rogan
Yeah, like maybe you drank out of that.
tom papa
Right.
unidentified
Aye, aye!
Yeah, that's probably a handle.
tom papa
Aye!
joe rogan
A handle?
I mean, if you flip it upside down, like the...
Could be.
tom papa
To Poseidon.
joe rogan
But it's the wrong way.
tom papa
It looks like a...
joe rogan
Like you would want to see her if it was on a handle.
james damore
You wouldn't want her facing the door.
tom papa
It's a hood ornament.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's right.
tom papa
It goes in the front of the car.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, one of them baller old Buicks.
unidentified
They were as big as a house.
tom papa
The kids that lived across the street from me were like maybe five years older, and that was their thing to do on Saturday nights.
If there were parties in the neighborhood with adults and stuff, they would go rip off everybody's hood ornaments.
joe rogan
Oh, assholes.
tom papa
They had a whole box of like the big ornaments from the front and then like the names on them from the side.
unidentified
They would just take a screwdriver and go pick off people's hood ornaments.
Kids are such dicks.
tom papa
They're such dicks.
joe rogan
Kids are such dicks.
And when you give kids freedom and you let them go outside, they're like, I can go anywhere.
tom papa
At night?
joe rogan
Let's ring that doorbell and run!
tom papa
Go, go, go!
joe rogan
Little fucking gremlins out there.
tom papa
Yeah, looking in your windows, throwing eggs at your house.
joe rogan
That's why people give them homework.
Do your homework.
Yeah.
Because you just let them be free.
tom papa
You think it was a pipe?
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
You think it was a pipe?
joe rogan
Could be, yeah.
Huge pipe.
tom papa
That's a big pipe.
joe rogan
Holy shit, they like to party.
tom papa
There's an ancient Roman pipe right here.
joe rogan
I like to party.
That's an ancient Roman pipe?
Someone might have made it in the style of it.
Classical ancient Roman.
I don't know about all that, dude.
That's got a plastic mouth.
Isn't that like plastic?
Or is that carved out of wood?
That can't be ancient.
tom papa
That's from Spencer Gifts.
unidentified
You get that if you spend more than $100 at Forever 21. Bubbles come out of it.
joe rogan
They're trying to encourage pipe smoking now that Trump's in office.
We're all trying to be pretentious.
I smoked a pipe recently on the podcast, a couple weeks ago.
tom papa
That pipe right over there.
I was going to bring a cigar, but I didn't know if you could smoke a cigar in here.
joe rogan
Yeah, we could smoke a cigar in here.
You could?
Sure, yeah.
Just turn on that filter thing and we could smoke a cigar.
I think we smoke cigars in here, right?
Yeah.
tom papa
Wow.
Let's do that next time.
I have a big thing of Cuban cigars.
Do you?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you kill them when they were illegal or illegal?
tom papa
Big shots.
joe rogan
Big shots, eh?
tom papa
Big shots, eh?
joe rogan
Nah.
tom papa
Illegal.
Through a guy I know in Vegas.
It's not a big deal.
joe rogan
I know people.
I used to be able to get him.
Vegas was great.
tom papa
Was it good?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was fun.
The fight was weird, though.
The main event, there was a lot of controversy.
People thought it was a boring fight.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was just not a lot of action happened.
It was a very tactical fight for most of the five rounds.
Then the fifth round, Tyron Woodley cracked him and almost had him out cold.
But was losing most of the round in a lot of people's eyes before then, so the scoring was really oddly.
It was really odd because a lot of people disagree with the score.
The score was for the champion, but the first fight they had was a draw.
And then a lot of people were like, well if that first fight was a draw, this fight was a draw too.
Including the guy I was commentating with, Dominic Cruz, a former Bantamweight champion.
So a lot of people felt disappointed.
tom papa
When you're in that situation and you're broadcasting it, do you speak your mind?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
tom papa
Do you think it's weird?
joe rogan
Sometimes, but I didn't think in that case it was that weird.
tom papa
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I felt like...
I think the scoring system sucks.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Do you know anything about the scoring system?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
For MMA. We essentially took the boxing scoring system and adapted it to MMA. So it's a 10 point must system.
And it's very difficult to get a round to be scored 10-8.
And the problem with that is I don't think it leaves enough room for accurately judging all the events that take place in a five minute period of combat sports.
Because there's so many different interactions.
I think those interactions should probably be judged on their own merit.
There should be a way to quantify how much damage was done, whether or not it was the right thing to do.
And it should be probably a 100-point score system or something like that.
A lot more factors.
The difference between a 10-9 in one round and a 10-9 in another round, totally different fight.
One, the guy's getting dominated, and he's clearly losing, and the other one, it's a toss-up, and still they're both two 10-9 rounds.
tom papa
It doesn't make any sense.
Does it work for boxing because it's longer and it's just one set thing that you're doing?
joe rogan
Yeah, boxing is just one thing.
It's three minutes instead of five minutes.
You have more rounds, so there's more variables because there's 10-9 rounds.
Boxing, the 10-point must system works, and people like it.
Maybe it can be improved upon.
I'm not saying it couldn't be.
But for MMA, it's woefully inadequate.
So they've created an updated system, but Nevada hasn't adopted it yet.
tom papa
Okay.
When you go to Vegas and you're gigging in like that...
joe rogan
When I'm gigging, daddy-o.
tom papa
You're gigging.
Do you eat whatever you want?
Do you go a little crazy?
joe rogan
This weekend I ate spaghetti.
I had like linguine with clams.
tom papa
Nice.
joe rogan
I fucked up.
I ate a Cuban sandwich on Sunday night.
Yeah, I ate some shitty food.
I felt it today.
People are so tired of hearing people complain about...
Eating bad food and what it does to your body.
I think people have worn my welcome out with that subject.
tom papa
That's funny.
joe rogan
Because I talk about it too much on my own, but I definitely indulge.
I had pizza on Sunday.
I had a lot of shitty food.
tom papa
Yeah, no, because it's hard.
When you're on the road, it's difficult to not do it.
And once you break the seal when you're on the road, you're like, I'll just clean up when I get home.
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I've been pretty consistent with my diet and pretty consistent with working out.
tom papa
I was going to bring some bread today because I was experimenting with something and tried to make something different, and it was kind of a fail.
Not a total fail.
It still tasted good, but it didn't look that great.
And I was like, I was going to bring it by, and I was like, I don't think they're going to want to eat bread.
I think they're dialed in right now.
joe rogan
I'm trying to be dialed in right now.
I just think I'm going to give myself one day a week.
One day a week to fuck off.
And I'm not always going to take it.
I'm not always going to take that day.
Some days I'm like, I don't need it.
tom papa
And don't go batshit crazy.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
And Aubrey Marcus, my good buddies, described this the best way.
He's like, what you're doing is, you're just for a few moments of mouth pleasure.
You're totally hijacking your body for the next day.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if you're eating like an ice cream sundae and, you know, you drink a Coca-Cola with that and you have a cheeseburger and fries.
tom papa
Right.
unidentified
You are hijacking your digestive system.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just said, listen, I don't give a fuck what's good for me.
We're going to throw some groovy poison down there, and I'm going to get the shortest, I mean, like a few minutes of good feeling that doesn't come close to a lot of stuff that's legal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't even come close.
tom papa
Yeah, but some things kind of last.
Like when you've been thinking about fried chicken for a month or so, and then you get that fried chicken, it'll stick with you for a bit.
joe rogan
Do you think you should earn it?
tom papa
Yeah, I think it should be special.
I think it's got to be like, you know, yeah.
joe rogan
You know what my all-time favorite cheat foods is?
Is Popeye's fried chicken with hot sauce.
tom papa
Hot damn.
joe rogan
I take some fucking El Yucateca habanero sauce when it's cold.
I like it the next day even more than I like it the first.
tom papa
Oh, better!
joe rogan
Yeah, and then dip it in the habanero sauce and just fucking gluten be damned.
tom papa
You've got to put a nice potato with that.
joe rogan
Talk potatoes.
unidentified
No fries on the side of that?
joe rogan
I'm just going hard with fried chicken.
See, fried chicken is two food groups.
It's bread and it's chicken.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because all that crust on the outside.
tom papa
And oil.
joe rogan
Yeah, plenty of oil.
tom papa
I got fried chicken at this food festival the other day.
And I was like, ooh, I haven't had that in a long time.
And it wasn't that great.
That's the worst.
joe rogan
You know what the best chicken is in California?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Roscoe's.
Oh really?
tom papa
The best chicken.
joe rogan
Maybe it's just, in my eyes, maybe it's just the combination.
The combination of the chicken and the waffles together.
tom papa
And the waffles and syrup.
joe rogan
Yeah, and collard greens.
There's something about collard greens on the side.
tom papa
There's a place in Studio City called Uncle Andre's.
And it's a barbecue place, tiny little place, one dude just in the back making this stuff forever.
It looks like they took him out of Alabama in the woods, and he's just kick-ass, makes him incredible.
His collard greens are insane.
They're so good.
joe rogan
Because when someone does it really well, like at a really good barbecue place, and it's like dripping when you pull it out of the box.
tom papa
Yes, a little, yeah, a little liquid coming off it.
It's good stuff.
joe rogan
It's a delicious vegetable.
And it's not like a well-used one.
tom papa
No.
It's good for you.
joe rogan
Well, anything green, essentially, is good for you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They say that bok choy is something that people are really getting into now for its health benefits.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Bok choy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I don't know what to do with that.
joe rogan
I'm a kale freak, man.
I love kale.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Makes me feel good.
tom papa
Kale does make you feel good.
joe rogan
Love it.
tom papa
It's really good.
There's this place called Blossom in New York, and it had this total kale dish.
And it was a lot of it.
And you just ate the whole thing and then you walk out, you feel better than when you walked in the restaurant.
joe rogan
And you shit like a lumber accident on a river.
Like a fucking lumber ship hit a rock.
tom papa
You want to take pictures and send it to your friends.
unidentified
We're losing our cargo.
I'm proud of you, little buddy.
joe rogan
What was that scene in Dumb and Dumber where he's holding on while he's taking a shit?
He's getting launched into the air, literally.
tom papa
Sometimes you just want to take a picture and share it with your friends.
joe rogan
There's something about shit jokes, man.
tom papa
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Ari Shaffir had to get rid of his agent or his manager, one of the two, because they told him to stop.
Oh, there it is right there.
Jamie found the scene.
Why is that so funny?
I'm such a child.
I'm such a child.
tom papa
It's a primal thing.
joe rogan
But Ari had this great joke about, and it actually was a real thing that happened when he and I worked together.
He had to go over this bridge, and it was a long-ass bridge in Sydney, Australia, and as he was halfway over the bridge, he had to shit himself.
And it takes forever to get to the other side.
I mean, it's just, he's stuck.
And so his manager was like, you shouldn't do that.
It's a shit joke.
And, I mean, this joke...
tom papa
Oh, he had it in his act.
joe rogan
The joke killed.
It killed.
He was closing with it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
And his manager was telling him he shouldn't do it because it's a shit joke.
unidentified
And he's like, yeah, we're not going to be working.
joe rogan
We can't do this.
tom papa
You can't tell me what to do.
joe rogan
We can't do this.
Meanwhile, I was just laughing at it.
I came to tell him.
I go, dude, that joke is so funny.
It's so funny that you're telling that story, and it's fucking hilarious.
And he goes, yeah, I just had to fire my manager.
tom papa
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
And he goes, yeah, he told me to stop doing it.
I was like, what?
I go, get the fuck out of here!
There's no way!
Because it was a joke about a guy who had to take a shit, but it wasn't just...
It was a, it was just a real, it was a real story.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And that concept is a real part of life.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's not just, but there's people that think, like, there's toilet humor, and there was a thing that, like, in the 1960s and the 70s, you know, someone like Lenny Bruce came along, oh, he's doing toilet humor.
tom papa
Right.
Right, right.
Look, if it's coming out of somebody and all they have is that and there's nothing.
If it's coming from Ari, you're like, he's a funny comedian.
joe rogan
And it's just a subject.
It's just a real subject.
tom papa
I was talking about how it's hard to be a human being.
And I had this run.
And I said, have you ever fart so loud in your sleep that you wake yourself up?
And...
I was like, wow, this is so bass.
Like, I don't normally have talk like that in my act.
And it's just so fun to talk about.
And the girls just get hysterical in the audience because they do.
It's just too much fun to talk about.
Why else are we here?
We're supposed to enjoy ourselves.
You know what I mean?
I can't be like, no.
I mean, I'm not going to do it on Colbert, but, you know, it's fun to do at Ice House.
joe rogan
I mean, it is a thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's a thing that you should certainly use it sparingly.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
If you're going to describe it and talk about it, like, is this guy obsessed with shit?
unidentified
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
The FBI sees your computer, Jesus, look at his bookmarks!
Oh, God!
I accidentally, somebody fucking retweeted a scat page.
There's a scat Twitter page.
Somebody retweeted it, and I was like, why is this on my feed?
It was some dude with his giant, hairy, fat, overweight ass hunched over this woman's face and just shitting in her mouth while people were pulling the shit out of his ass and rubbing it on her face.
I was like, this is on Twitter, but Milo's not?
You guys banned Milo Yiannopoulos and this is...
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, whoa!
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Oh, that's terrible.
joe rogan
I'm like, what in the fuck am I looking at?
tom papa
Ay yi yi.
joe rogan
Like, how was that?
And also, there's a lot of porn on Twitter.
Is there really?
Yeah.
Like, full hardcore.
tom papa
I don't read the Twitter feed anymore.
You don't?
I'll read mentions for fans that want to talk about stuff, but I don't scroll through everybody else.
No, it's just...
Well, yes.
It just got too much.
It was overwhelming.
I'd rather just talk to people about bread recipes and...
joe rogan
Well, there's too much information.
And for sure, we're definitely suffering from an overload of information.
tom papa
I just feel better because it's just too much to go through.
Instagram is good.
You see a couple pictures of your friends.
joe rogan
I feel like if something really crazy is happening, someone will text me.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Something really crazy.
Like Arian Foster, the guy who's coming tomorrow, who thinks he can kill a wolf with his hands.
He's going to be on the podcast tomorrow.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Former NFL player.
tom papa
Has he done it?
joe rogan
No, he never has killed a wolf with his hands.
By the way, no one's killed a wolf with their hands.
Well, he's just a giant super athlete.
He said if he gets a hold of its neck, it'll be donezo.
That's what he said.
I'm like, I'm not entirely sure he understands.
tom papa
How big that neck is.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think he understands how fast those things move, how vicious they are.
They have a bite that's five times harder than a pit bull's.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
I joined the wolf movement when I was in college.
It was around the time I was saving the wolves because the numbers had gotten so low.
joe rogan
What year was this?
unidentified
This was like 89, 88. So that was before the Yellowstone reintroduction?
tom papa
Yes, it was all part of that.
And everyone's just pouring money and effort into talking about it and stuff.
And we and my friends were so into wolves.
We'd watch wolf videos, wolf packs.
We loved the packs and how they would hunt and go around different things.
And now the wolf is dominant again.
It's kind of exploded.
It's become a little bit of a problem, right?
joe rogan
In some areas, but in most areas, they think it's healthy.
tom papa
It is good.
joe rogan
Yeah, they think it's healthy in Yellowstone.
People are upset that live on the outside of it because they weren't given a say, and there's a lot of wolves now.
It's a real thing.
And as long as the elk populations are high and they manage the wolf populations, that's where it gets squirrely.
Some people don't want anyone to kill wolves.
Like, and you say, well, why would you kill a wolf, man?
The problem is, well, if you get, if they get overpopulated, you have a real problem.
Like, I agree, they're beautiful.
And I think they're amazing.
They're probably like, if I had like one animal that I would be like most psyched to see in the wild, it would be a wolf.
I think they're incredible.
tom papa
For sure.
joe rogan
I'm fascinated by them.
But I'm also really aware of what the consequences are if there's too many of them.
tom papa
They'll eat people.
joe rogan
They definitely eat people.
They've eaten people many times in the past.
They eat dogs.
There's some pictures that someone sent me.
His buddies in Kazakhstan had three dogs killed in a night by wolves, and they ate the dogs.
They have pictures of the remains of these dogs.
They're bitten in half, like the lower abdomen.
You could see everything from the shoulders up, like the dog's head, the dog's arms, and then everything back there is gone.
They cut it in half.
Geez.
The amount of power they generate in their jaws is insane.
And they don't look at dogs like their buddies.
They look at dogs like prey.
And they'll look at people like prey, too.
If they don't think that you're dangerous...
tom papa
They'll get you.
joe rogan
They'll get you.
tom papa
There's coyotes all around us.
joe rogan
They'll get you, too, if it gets real bad.
tom papa
Yeah, we know someone who...
The coyote went in the house and got the dog.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom papa
Yeah, a little dog.
Went in, got it, and took off.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
Ow!
joe rogan
Dude, they're scary.
tom papa
Yeah, they're scary.
Who has a stronger bite, a wolf or a bear?
Grizzly bear.
joe rogan
A grizzly bear.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not even close.
tom papa
Not even close.
joe rogan
No.
A real, like, if you're talking like a Kodiak Island grizzly bear, that's the biggest they get.
They're not really a grizzly.
Grizzlies, um, there's two bears, right?
There's a brown bear and a grizzly bear.
And the grizzly bear is the interior bear.
That's the bear that you find in, like, the Rocky Mountains.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's a grizzly bear.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That's the bear you'll find in Montana.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But the coastal bears are even bigger.
And that's what they had to kill in California.
You know, our state flag has a brown bear on it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And that brown bear, that's the difference between brown and grizzly.
Same animal.
But one of them lives interior and it's much more aggressive, by the way.
The grizzly is much scarier than the coastal bear.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because the coastal bear gets plenty of food.
That's why they're so big.
tom papa
Oh.
And the other one's hungry.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so coastal bears are enormous.
I mean, enormous.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And the biggest ones on the planet that are brown bears, the biggest bears on the planet right now are polar bears.
tom papa
Polar bears.
joe rogan
But the brown bears on Kodiak Island, I think they get to close to 2,000 pounds.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, find out what's the biggest brown bear ever shot on Kodiak Island.
I think it might be close to 12 feet tall.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And I think it might be in the neighborhood of 1,800 to 2,000 pounds.
tom papa
Jeez.
I told you that time when I was hiking in Alaska and I was close to a bear.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Accidentally?
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Girl or a boy?
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
Black or brown?
tom papa
It was kind of tan.
joe rogan
Tan?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, probably...
tom papa
It was in Alaska, like...
joe rogan
Probably a black bear.
They have the color-faced black bears that can actually look blonde.
unidentified
It was big.
tom papa
It looked like the size of a minivan.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
So it was probably a grizzly then.
tom papa
It was big.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So really big.
tom papa
Yeah.
And it was just coming through the weeds.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
How far away were you?
tom papa
We were in the backcountry.
We were out there.
joe rogan
Like miles in.
tom papa
Miles in.
Yeah, like overnight for like a week.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, Tom Papa.
tom papa
And it was reeds.
Like as tall as me.
Like a whole field of those reeds.
And we just saw the reeds just parting like 50 feet away.
Like whoosh.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
And I'm with like five other people and you're not supposed to run when you see a bear.
You're supposed to freeze.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Everybody took off.
joe rogan
Oh no!
tom papa
With their backpacks.
They just got so scared.
And me and my one friend froze and then saw them running and we went to bat.
We were like kind of in between the instinct of what to do.
The bear was like where the corner of that room is and just was it was late September.
It was full.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
tom papa
It was going way down to get the last berries like way down low and uh It didn't care about us at all.
unidentified
It just...
tom papa
But you realize, like, in a split second, if this guy decides, this is a whole different story.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
They can move so fast.
tom papa
So fast.
joe rogan
Okay, the biggest brown bear, the world record, was bagged by Roy...
I like how they say bagged.
How about, just say killed.
Roy Lindsley...
In 1952, 30, 12, 16, I don't know what that means, the score, largest scoring.
We're at the size of it.
unidentified
I don't know, it doesn't say.
tom papa
30 feet long.
joe rogan
Yeah, just scroll down, scroll down.
No, it's definitely not 30 feet long.
tom papa
12 feet long.
joe rogan
No, I think, no, they're actually measuring the skull, I think.
tom papa
A cups.
joe rogan
I think they're measuring the skull and then 16, who knows what that is, maybe it's the length.
jamie vernon
I was trying to find out what that meant on here.
tom papa
I didn't really see anything.
joe rogan
Just look up how big or how much does the biggest Kodiak bear weigh.
Just Google that.
It says it weighed more than half a ton.
Oh.
tom papa
That's a big bear.
joe rogan
It says commonly weigh more than half a ton.
No.
Yeah, I mean, that's just a thousand pounds, yeah.
tom papa
I hate this website.
joe rogan
This website blows, bro.
tom papa
This is the worst bear website ever!
joe rogan
Ever.
I think that's like one of them hunter websites, right?
unidentified
Is it?
tom papa
Bear's my favorite animal, though.
joe rogan
Outdoorhub.com.
Yeah, see, that's like...
tom papa
Wow.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom papa
Oh my God, that can't be real.
joe rogan
The size of that thing.
1,000 to 1,200 pounds can weigh up to 1,500 pounds when conditions are right.
tom papa
That's not real.
Look at the size of that head.
joe rogan
Oh, it's real.
tom papa
That's real?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's perspective, though.
The guy's behind it.
He's, like, hiding out, like, three feet behind the barrel.
Like, look, I killed it.
It's so big and I'm so little.
This is the skull.
tom papa
It was such a big fight.
unidentified
That's a hippo.
tom papa
I threw a rock at him, and then with a stick.
joe rogan
Look at that direwolf skull.
This is what a dork I am.
I recognize that.
tom papa
Which one?
joe rogan
Is that a dinosaur?
unidentified
Which one?
tom papa
That's a dinosaur.
joe rogan
No, it says mammals.
What is that animal?
Is that a direwolf?
tom papa
Oh.
joe rogan
Look at those teeth, son.
unidentified
Woo!
tom papa
Ooh, it looks like my dog.
joe rogan
Good lord, look at those fucking teeth.
What is that?
Uh, Visit Paige!
What the fuck animal is that?
tom papa
I think it was a parakeet.
joe rogan
What does it say?
unidentified
It says the hell pig.
Hell pig!
Oh!
tom papa
The hell pig!
joe rogan
I just found out about this thing a week ago.
tom papa
I never heard of a hell pig.
joe rogan
Click on that motherfucker, please.
tom papa
I'm learning new things!
joe rogan
This was apparently like a super predator giant pig.
I mean, fucking huge.
There was an article, like, really recently, like, within the last couple of days on it, that I saw online, where they were saying, thank God the hell pig gets extinct, or something like that.
But it was fucking huge.
It was a huge animal.
tom papa
They haven't seen my family on Thanksgiving.
Hello!
Hell pig.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Facts about the giant killer pigs.
Look at the face on that fucking thing.
tom papa
Look at its haunches.
It's like a bull.
joe rogan
It's like a bull.
tom papa
Horse.
joe rogan
Fucked a horse that fucked a wolf.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a bull, horse, wolf thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's got a wolf face.
tom papa
Like a tank of a face.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
Imagine that thing running at your family.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
What do you do?
jamie vernon
It says they're closer to hippos and whales.
tom papa
You push the smallest one into it and run.
joe rogan
Dude, evolution scares the fuck out of me.
Closest to hippos and whales.
tom papa
We're here definitely at a good time.
joe rogan
A hippo-whale thing that was huge.
I mean, they were a hippo size, too.
And I think this was...
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Where did this thing live?
It lived around people, right?
tom papa
Joe, would you rather live in a world where...
joe rogan
Oh, 2,000 pounds.
tom papa
Where all of nature's being decimated and we're drilling in national parks and it's really bleak, like everything's concrete, or...
Would you like to live in a time like this where hell pigs are running around and you had to fight for your life the whole time?
joe rogan
Depends on what you mean.
If I had to live back then with the weapons they had back then, because what year is this that this was going down?
tom papa
These were primitive people.
joe rogan
When did this thing exist?
19 to 16 million years ago.
Okay, so there's no people at all.
unidentified
Okay.
tom papa
No, let's put them in modern day.
joe rogan
So if there was an animal back then that was like us, it's past the big impact, the Yucatan impact.
So that's 65 million years ago.
So those are probably like weird monkey people back then, you know?
They were fucked.
tom papa
Let's update it.
Let's say the EPA has granted all of the things I wanted to be able to do, and the place is just crazy with animals.
joe rogan
But we have hell pigs everywhere?
tom papa
Hell pigs in your garbage.
unidentified
See, that's where people are gonna be- You gotta buy hell pig guards and stuff like that.
joe rogan
People are going to be happy that there's people that know how to hunt.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because if there really are hell pigs, and they really do become a problem, look, the only thing that's keeping wolf populations down is hunters, and when they don't have that, you know what they do in Alaska?
They get in airplanes, they fly over them, they shoot them from the sky.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They find the packs, they locate them, and they swoop down and shoot at them.
They kill too many caribou, or they kill too many moose.
tom papa
What would happen if they didn't do that?
joe rogan
They would get overwhelmed.
They would have massive populations of them, like they have in Siberia.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
In Siberia, a few years ago, they were having these super packs of wolves, because it was a particularly horrible winter, and they would have, like, a hundred wolves would get together so they could take out horses.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they would go into these barns, and then, you know, imagine you're hanging out in your house, and your barn is next door, and there's a hundred wolves tearing all the horses apart.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
A hundred wolves.
tom papa
So, it's okay if we...
Kill a couple things.
joe rogan
You have to.
tom papa
It's survival.
joe rogan
Well, if you don't, they're going to get to the point where they were with the Russians in World War I. The Russians and the Germans in World War I, so many of them were killed by wolves that they had a ceasefire.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
And they decided to kill wolves.
tom papa
For real?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they went back to killing each other after they figured out how many, you know, they sorted it out and killed a ton of wolves.
tom papa
And this friend that's coming tomorrow says he can kill one with his hands?
joe rogan
He believes he can.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seems incorrect.
I just think people have this thing in their head that a wolf is like a dog.
You could probably kill a dog if he's a giant dude and the dog doesn't bite him in the right spot and he can get a hold of its neck.
He might be able to kill a dog.
tom papa
I could kill a dog.
joe rogan
I bet you might be able to kill some dogs.
tom papa
My lab?
joe rogan
Yeah, which depends.
tom papa
Lab puppy?
joe rogan
Do you have a knife with you when this is going down?
Bare hands.
tom papa
Choke it out.
joe rogan
Not easy.
Not easy.
Not easy to kill an animal with your hands.
tom papa
You suffocate it.
joe rogan
Yeah, might not.
tom papa
Put it in a choker hold.
joe rogan
It's going to be very hard to do.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Very hard.
tom papa
A dog?
joe rogan
Yeah, very hard.
tom papa
Have you seen my hands?
joe rogan
You have giant hands.
Like a massive, massive football player, man.
If you learn no jujitsu and you can get its back and you can sink the choke in, like a real proper rear naked choke, you might be able to kill it.
But I would think you would put its sleeve and then stomp its head.
That would be the move.
tom papa
Yeah.
You gotta wear boots if you're going dog hunting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's like an animal that we've chosen to take in.
This is our animal.
tom papa
You can't eat them.
Right.
Can't.
joe rogan
But if you go to China, they have a whole festival.
tom papa
You can eat dogs just like pigs.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, they're supposed to be not as smart as pigs.
tom papa
Yeah, you're right.
My dog is definitely not as smart as a pig.
My dog's an idiot.
I love her.
She's fun.
We just got her.
She's great, but not bright.
joe rogan
Do you remember when people were having pigs for pets?
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
It was like a thing?
tom papa
Yes.
Everyone had potbell- Not everyone, but- A lot of people.
Yeah, potbelly pigs.
What happened to all those pigs?
I bet they're not doing that great right now.
unidentified
Bacon.
tom papa
Old, farting in the house.
unidentified
Ugh.
tom papa
Ugh, it's a pig.
joe rogan
Barely hanging on.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, what do they do with those pigs?
tom papa
You bring them outside and just let them go.
joe rogan
What do you do with those pigs?
tom papa
My dog got picked up from Bakersfield.
unidentified
Yeah?
tom papa
A lot of people dump dogs in Bakersfield.
joe rogan
Why Bakersfield?
tom papa
Because it's open and you can just pull off the highway and throw a tennis ball and keep going.
unidentified
Oh, asshole.
tom papa
Is that terrible?
joe rogan
God, people are assholes.
tom papa
Aren't they the worst?
joe rogan
That's so funny.
tom papa
It really is so sad.
I could not imagine.
I mean, sometimes I get mad at my dog, but not to the point of driving it somewhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you hear those stories about someone chucking a bag of puppies out their car window, and you're like, wait, what?
tom papa
Yeah, my dog was a puppy.
That might have happened.
Yeah, just a whole bag of puppies.
You couldn't do something else.
That's just dumb and lazy.
You couldn't walk into a shelter and be like, here's some puppies for you.
joe rogan
What's worse than dumb and lazy?
unidentified
It's so fucking callous.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how do you not...
If you look at a puppy, you don't get excited.
Like, aww, there's nobody.
tom papa
Well, that's how they know you're a psychopath, right?
When you're a kid, it was always the kid that would torture animals.
They were concerned about that kid.
There was a kid in my class who tied a bird up once.
No, a cat.
Tied a cat like Spread Eagle and went to town on it.
Yeah, he went away for a while.
Yeah.
Well, he was weird.
He was doing weird stuff all the time.
And then the cat story got around, and they're like, all right, someone's got to do something with this guy.
He's getting weird.
Because that's a sign that you'll hurt human beings.
You're missing an empathy that makes you able to kill things.
joe rogan
I don't know if you were around back then, but there was someone in the...
Man, I want to say like the early 2000s, maybe.
Maybe like even before that, like maybe late 90s.
Someone was killing cats in Hollywood.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I don't know if they ever caught the guy.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
And by the way, note how I said guy, because I'm sexist.
And I know that most people that kill cats are fucking guys.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this guy was killing cats and cutting them open and like, you know, like gutting them and shit.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Almost like he was doing science projects on them, like spreading them open, pulling their guts out.
Yeah, and people would come outside and they would find their cat, not just dead, but dead and surgically cut open and pulled apart.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was scary.
tom papa
That's a guy you want to feed to a wolf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Some people were speculating, though, that they were wrong, and that it was really coyotes were getting these dogs.
tom papa
Well, you know what else does that?
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Guts cats and leaves them raccoons.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
tom papa
Yeah, my neighbor's cat was killed like a raccoon that way, and they don't eat it.
They just kill it and gutted it.
joe rogan
Well, raccoons are predators.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Raccoons try to get into my chickens.
There was a raccoon the other night trying to get at my chickens.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he wouldn't even fucking leave, man.
tom papa
They're hardcore.
joe rogan
I was trying to scare him.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
I was trying to scare him.
I was like, bitch, you better get the fuck away from here.
And he just looked at me.
And I got closer to him, and he got closer to me.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
I was like, oh my god, I will fucking get a bow and arrow, and I will kill you if you kill my chickens, you cunty fucking raccoon.
Because these chickens are like, they're pets.
And they're pets that live outside.
This fucking guy was hanging around by the cage, looking right at the chickens, trying to figure out how to get at them.
tom papa
He'll figure it out, too.
They're smart.
Well, he'll come back.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Yeah, probably.
tom papa
Take them out.
They're vicious.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to?
tom papa
How's that work?
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
I would have to check what the laws are.
tom papa
I think if it's on your property...
joe rogan
Are you allowed to kill raccoons?
I bet you're not just allowed to just kill them.
tom papa
What, you gotta call someone and have them trap them?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, I have to make sure he's in a place where I can actually hit him with an arrow, ethically.
Like, I have to be able to actually make sure there's nothing behind him.
You know, I don't want to miss and have an arrow go through my neighbor's window.
Because I'm playing Robin Hood in my backyard with a fucking raccoon.
tom papa
But you're good.
You know what you're doing, don't you?
joe rogan
I do, but you want to make sure there's nothing behind.
So he would have to be in an area of my yard where I would shoot a target.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Where there's a back wall.
You'd have to be somewhere where I could...
tom papa
Yeah.
But the arrows you used to go after elk, would it go right through a raccoon?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
An elk is so big.
tom papa
It would go right through the raccoon.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elks, that's a thousand pound animal.
tom papa
The raccoon would be like, what was that?
joe rogan
Elk have these huge bones, man.
Those arrows just blow right through those bones.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
The only thing they have a hard time going through is the really thick, big ones, like shoulder bones, scapula sometimes, like if your bow is not that powerful.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But like ribs, all the time you get what's called a pass-through, whereas the arrow goes completely through the animal before it even knows what happened.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Because it happened so quick.
It's just like one second, plop!
They don't even know what hit them.
tom papa
That's force.
joe rogan
That would rip a raccoon in half.
Because bows today are...
tom papa
Yeah, that's intense.
joe rogan
They have all this mechanical advantage because of the cams.
So compound bows are on these cams that roll over and they can generate way more force than just the amount you're pulling back.
So if you had an old school Robin Hood recurve bow, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those bows, the more you pull them back, the harder it is.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's like you're stretching and pulling that wood and then twang, you let it go and the arrow takes off.
But with a compound bow, they're on these cams.
So as you pull it back, that's happening.
You have these thick carbon fiber or fiberglass Limbs that are pulling back and holding tremendous amounts of energy.
And then you have these cams that roll over that impart a mechanical advantage on the whole system.
And then as you pull it back, the cams allow it to be light at the end.
So if my bow takes 84 pounds to pull back, at the end, it's only like 10 or 20% of that.
tom papa
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So I'm holding it with like 20% of the amount of energy that it takes to pull it back.
So it's not hard to hold on to.
And then when you let the arrow go, It's flying like 290 feet a second.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Let's go get raccoons!
joe rogan
And it weighs, the arrows weigh, what's 500 grams?
How much is 500 grams in like a pound?
How many grams are in an ounce?
tom papa
500 grams.
joe rogan
What would that be?
Because you say 500 grams, it doesn't seem to make sense.
Like what is, that doesn't make sense to me.
I don't know what that is.
tom papa
That's like a pound and a half.
unidentified
1.1 pounds.
joe rogan
1.1 pounds.
So the arrow's a pound.
So one pound arrow is going 290 feet a second and it's got a razor blade at the front of it.
tom papa
Oh boy.
joe rogan
Yeah, a razor blade's designed to penetrate rib bones with a chisel tip to it.
tom papa
Now what if you just threw a hammer at the raccoon?
joe rogan
You might kill it, or you might just hurt him, and then that's probably even worse.
You wound him, and he's walking around with a broken leg or something.
tom papa
You know what you gotta consider?
As you're sitting there talking to that raccoon, and he's like pretending to come up on you, there's probably two raccoons flanked on either side, eyeballing you.
unidentified
Do you think they operate like that?
joe rogan
They're like wolves?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You think so?
tom papa
I bet that, yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe that's why he's so confident.
unidentified
They're crafty.
tom papa
They're crafty.
joe rogan
Dude, I was telling him, hey man, fuck off, and he moved closer to me.
tom papa
He's like, don't you see my boys?
joe rogan
He's just looking at me.
I mean, he's looking right at me, and he was circling from my side, and I was like, this is crazy.
He's getting closer to me.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Not afraid.
joe rogan
Dude, he wasn't afraid of me at all.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Look, I don't want...
Anything bad to happen to the raccoon?
I just don't want them to eat my chickens.
tom papa
Mine were rolling up the grass and eating bugs underneath.
I'd come out and my grass would just be rolled over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're so clever.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
They have little hands.
tom papa
They've got little busy hands.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it's such a weird relationship that we have with these things because if you raise them from the time they're pets, apparently they make these amazing pets.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can catch a raccoon when he's really young and you...
tom papa
You can domesticate him.
joe rogan
You can domesticate him and, you know, the problem with animals becomes survival.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Survival, once food is scarce and once they have to struggle for it, they will adopt a wild, feral mindset.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And those are dangerous animals.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whether they're cats or dogs or they're not the same.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So our ideas about animals, like for a lot of people that really truly love animals, you're talking about these domesticated weirdo animals that aren't even animal-like in any way.
They're barely animal-like.
tom papa
My friend who worked on a farm grew up with pigs, cows, the whole thing, and was just like...
She had no sympathy for me.
It wasn't like, we have to be kind to all these animals.
She goes, they're big and dumb and smelly.
And she just grew up with them.
joe rogan
See, I feel like that's kind of fucked up too, right?
tom papa
It seems like it when you're not related to it.
But the reality is that there were hell pigs just going crazy.
And we had to survive, so we had to pave it and put in Jamba Juice.
joe rogan
But I think you need those people that are like the crazy, diehard animal activists.
Otherwise, there would be nothing.
tom papa
I just want to save the parks.
Just leave Yosemite alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to leave it alone.
tom papa
They're not doing anything to that.
The one guy, Zink, what's his name?
unidentified
Zinky?
tom papa
Yeah, he seems pretty decent.
joe rogan
Well, he's also a big supporter of keeping public lands public and not selling them to the states.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The way it works, it's been explained to me by Steve Rinella and some other people, but the way it works is that we have all this land that's federal land, and you can go on it, you could hunt, you could fish, you could camp, you could go.
It's literally our land, right?
But if you sell it to the state, if the state has a financial burden, they'll sell it off to private corporations.
So that's the danger.
The danger is the state will come upon dire times and will be forced to sell it off.
But the federal government, they can't do that.
So as long as the people don't vote to make it the property of the state, you're okay.
It stays in the federal trust.
And if it's in the federal trust, it's managed the way it's been managed since Teddy Roosevelt was around.
So we figured out a way to do it where as of right now They they get leasing rights for like minerals and for cattle and stuff like that That's right Bundy ranch thing was about right those guys up in Oregon.
tom papa
Yeah, but the but what Pruitt is his big push is to make thing Give all the power back to the states.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a that's a gateway that is a gateway to privatization of There's a hotly contested bill that was in the house, HR 621, by this guy Jason Chavitz.
And if you want to hear him talking to my friend Cameron Haynes on Cameron's most recent podcast, he flew to DC to talk to him.
The guy withdrew H.R. 621, which is turning over 3 million acres of land to the state, which the state could then do with whatever they want.
And the problem with that is it's a slippery slope and it eventually leads to privatization of a lot of those lands.
And especially people are scared of that with Republicans in power, especially when you see that they've lessened the EPA and all the different things they're doing.
tom papa
Aggressively.
joe rogan
You were just talking about the environmental satellites.
All that stuff scares the shit out of people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So then the next one would...
He's got HR 622, which people are also opposed to because it would be about turning over the...
Policing of those lands and the law enforcement, turning it over to the state and taking it out of federal hands, Bureau of Land Management and stuff like that, park rangers and stuff like that.
they wanted to do to local sheriffs but and then they would allocate money specifically for that but people think that's a slippery slope to right they don't know what they're doing and except it sets it up for hey these people don't know what they're doing we need to go back and you know sell this land right because if we do that then we won't be responsible for maintaining it and in a private group in yes this is this is what Ranallo believes is going on and the guy Jason Chaffetz he disagreed and he has his point of view which I don't know if he's right or wrong Just leave them alone.
tom papa
Just the parks.
Just that.
Can you just leave that alone?
joe rogan
Well, it's a super rare thing we have, and it's really gorgeous.
tom papa
Oh, it's amazing.
It literally changed my life.
When I started in college, going backcountry with my buddies, we would just get packs.
We didn't know what we were doing in the beginning.
We literally were carrying gear in army sacks.
And we would just go into the back of Yosemite for a week and a half.
And Denver and Montana and Wyoming.
Those were life-changing experiences.
Just to sit behind the Grand Tetons in this land, it does something to you.
It changes you.
to think that you're going to sit there and there's going to be a backhoe digging something up to look for some oil that might be under sulfur.
joe rogan
But you know that sound that you hear when those oil things are going ting ting ting ting ting ting ting ting That's a weird sound.
tom papa
It's a nightmare sound.
joe rogan
You're like, whoa.
tom papa
It's a nightmare.
Yeah, just leave that alone.
joe rogan
But it's so crazy that we operate on the blood of the earth.
I mean, that's really what oil is.
Oil is like the blood of the earth.
We're like these giant mosquitoes that are using machines to suck the blood out of the earth.
And then what we do with that blood, we take it and we pollute the air with it.
unidentified
That's what we do.
joe rogan
We burn it.
We light it on fire and we have these engines that are essentially controlled explosions contained in steel.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And inside you have this blood that's boiling and burning and fire and explosions are going off inside this steel box, this iron box.
And we're driving around spitting out terrible poison gas.
tom papa
The worst.
joe rogan
What a weird thing.
tom papa
Yeah, totally weird thing.
And we don't need it anymore.
joe rogan
Well, when you go by a factory, like a New Jersey factory, and you see those fucking plumes of smoke blowing up into the air, you're like, how are you allowed to do that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are you allowed to do that?
Would you be allowed to blow that right on a baby's bed?
tom papa
I was driving down the New Jersey turnpike in college.
I was working for a fireplace company.
We were on the turnpike in the summer, like August.
No air conditioning in the truck.
Sitting there, the whole area's air was orange.
It was orange, just coming out of those smokes.
I was like, if I ever get cancer, this is the day.
This is the day it happened.
joe rogan
I remember these places you would go by where it just stunk.
Here's the thing, my parents, and this is not just factories, it's also farms, this is like one of the biggest producers of methane pollution in the country is the cattle industry.
And when I used to, my parents used to live in Pennsylvania, they used to live Where the fuck were they?
Outside of Wilkesbury.
I forget the name of the town.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But it was in nowhere Pennsylvania, right?
So you used to drive through.
Well, when you think of Pennsylvania, you think of Philadelphia or Pittsburgh.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of Pennsylvania where you're just going 30 miles an hour so you don't slam into a deer.
Some messed up deer is darting onto the highway.
You're like, what in the fuck kind of place is this?
My parents had deer in their yard every day.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They hated deer.
Deer like eating roses and like, get those cunty fucking animals.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And anyway, when you would drive down there, you would go past these farms and the smell was so bad.
You could not believe that people could live there.
The smell, because it was in the summer when I was visiting them.
tom papa
It would smell like that all the time.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
But it was hot, too.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it was hot, funky, shit smell.
And it was everywhere.
Just the air you were breathing was shit particle air.
100%.
tom papa
I drove past the Hormel factory in the summer once.
Oh my god.
First of all, there's a whole bunch of pigs and stuff here behind these trucks on the way there.
And then it was like, where are they going?
And then you just see in the background this giant Hormel plant.
The smell in the summertime.
unidentified
Oh!
tom papa
But we have so many faces to feed.
There are so many mouths.
There's so many beings walking around right now getting hungry.
joe rogan
Right?
tom papa
They're all getting hungry.
And they've all got to be fed.
So it's like, what's the solution?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
tom papa
They're all hungry.
They're going to get hungry in another three hours.
They're going to crap it out.
And then they're going to eat again.
We are the zombies.
We're the zombies running around needing to feed constantly.
joe rogan
If you want to be able to pull into that Wendy's drive-thru and get that double cheeseburger at one o'clock in the morning.
tom papa
Someone's got to pay.
joe rogan
I mean, you can go to the Wendy's drive-thru at 1 a.m.
and almost instantly get a cheeseburger.
tom papa
Beef.
Right away.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ground animal sandwich.
You don't have to feed it.
You don't have to shoot it.
You don't have to cut it up.
You don't have to grind it.
You don't have to cook it.
You don't have to find a bun.
tom papa
Right in your face.
joe rogan
Right in your face.
And it costs like, what, four bucks or something?
tom papa
It's nothing.
joe rogan
And then, boom, you're full.
And then you're on your merry way.
What?
tom papa
It's so weird.
And it's millions, billions of people are doing that.
Billions.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's the only way you can have a city.
You can't have a city where everybody's growing things.
There's not enough food.
tom papa
There's no way!
joe rogan
How could you feed, like, if people were eating meat in particular?
unidentified
Can't do it.
joe rogan
Even if they're eating vegetables.
Could you imagine if New York City had to be self-sustaining?
tom papa
Oh, please.
I was looking just for a farm-to-table steakhouse in New York.
joe rogan
They don't have them?
tom papa
They don't have them.
Nobody can provide that grass-fed beef to one restaurant.
One New York restaurant is going to go through so much meat in one night.
You can't do it.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
tom papa
Just one restaurant.
joe rogan
When you go there, like, I only go there once or twice a year, but every time I go there, I go, oh, yeah.
I forgot how crazy this place is.
Like, this doesn't make any sense.
And then I was looking at the map yesterday.
I was looking at Lyme disease centers.
Lyme disease is goddamn scary.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
And there's a Lyme disease map.
And the Lyme disease map is fascinating because it's like a giant percentage of it is like Massachusetts, New York, the East Coast.
The East Coast just overwhelmed with Lyme disease.
tom papa
Overwhelmed.
I know so many people that got it.
joe rogan
The other thing that was weird is the shape of New York.
I was looking at it, I was like, how is all that up there, New York?
tom papa
And then add to Long Island.
joe rogan
What is this thing?
How come you guys don't have more than one state?
This is a bunch of different states.
tom papa
Yeah, you put a lot of stuff together.
joe rogan
Like, New York State is definitely not New York.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
New York State might as well be Kentucky.
tom papa
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Might as well.
tom papa
Totally different.
Yeah, it's like going to Alabama.
joe rogan
There's some spots, like when you drive into Buffalo or something like that, where you're like, okay, where the fuck am I? Right, exactly.
Two hours outside of Buffalo.
Good luck, dude!
You might as well be in West Virginia.
You might as well be in rural North Carolina.
tom papa
Yeah, the same mile away from how people are in the West Village.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have your cities.
You have Albany, you have Buffalo, you have Syracuse.
But those are so different.
tom papa
Do you live in New York?
joe rogan
I lived in New Rochelle.
tom papa
In New Rochelle.
joe rogan
Right outside the city.
It's right outside Queens.
tom papa
I know where it is.
joe rogan
Or the Bronx, rather.
tom papa
Yeah.
I lived in New York for a long time.
joe rogan
It's just a weird shape.
All that stuff up there is New York, too.
tom papa
Yeah, I had to get Long Island.
And Manhattan.
And Brooklyn.
And Staten Island.
joe rogan
It's all New York State?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, when I was coming up as a stand-up, the first gig I ever got in New York, I was so nervous.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I couldn't believe I was doing a show in New York.
And it was a New York state room, so I had to drive up through Western Massachusetts to get into New York.
But I was so proud of myself that I did a show in New York.
tom papa
Not even the city.
joe rogan
No, not even close.
But it was like...
It made me feel like, okay, I can do comedy in New York.
tom papa
Yeah, that's a big deal.
joe rogan
Look at that crazy.
So White Plains, you see that in the lower right-hand corner?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's where I used to live, right outside of that.
Because I used to play pool in White Plains at executive billiards.
tom papa
If you go, like, see where the Y is in New Jersey?
On Yonkers?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That Y right there, that's about where I grew up.
joe rogan
Dude, look at that fucking, look at the size of that thing.
tom papa
It's a beautiful state.
The Adirondacks, you ever gone through the Adirondacks?
unidentified
But look how it goes all the way through the top of Vermont.
tom papa
Yeah, well, it's New York.
What do you want?
joe rogan
But isn't that insane?
Like, what an enormous, enormous state.
tom papa
Yeah.
Takes Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut.
joe rogan
Wow!
Look at the Catskill Mountains where Customato used to train Mike Tyson.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
And then there's Ithaca.
This is Rome.
A Rome, New York.
Utica is where I worked.
That's where I worked.
I worked in Utica, New York.
tom papa
You worked in Utica?
unidentified
Yep.
tom papa
What'd you do there?
joe rogan
I did stand up there.
tom papa
Ah.
joe rogan
I had a drive from Massachusetts.
See that Massachusetts 90?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think the 90 was the Massachusetts Turnpike and then it turned into New York State.
tom papa
Yeah.
Look at the...
I've done gigs in Rochester.
Buffalo.
joe rogan
Saratoga Springs.
tom papa
There's a new club there, I hear.
joe rogan
You know what I used to hear all the time when I was a kid, too?
The Kipsy?
No, not the Catskills, but what was the one that's in Pennsylvania?
tom papa
The Poconos.
joe rogan
Poconos, yeah.
tom papa
The Poconos, the Mount Airy Lodge.
joe rogan
Yeah, you always heard about people going to the Poconos.
Isn't that where Dirty Dancing took place?
tom papa
No, that was Catskills.
joe rogan
Oh, it was?
tom papa
Yeah.
Poconos is like the champagne...
Tub.
unidentified
For the Mount Airy Lodge, they had that ad on TV. And the Catskills was like where the comics would go.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's for like those Freddie Roman type dudes.
tom papa
That's right.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you can go back in time and watch some of that?
tom papa
They used to play...
joe rogan
Buddy Hackett.
tom papa
Hotels, little bungalows, little trailers, home.
Everybody from New York dumped up there for the weekends.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
And then the entertainers would come and they would just...
You'd do...
It was like Manhattan.
They would do a whole bunch of gigs a night.
That's the Poconos.
joe rogan
This is an arrow through a heart.
tom papa
Also the Mount Derry Lodge.
joe rogan
They're all couples resorts.
All couples resorts?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In the Catskills?
tom papa
You know the Poconos.
The Poconos is sexy.
The Poconos is sexy.
That's where you go...
Well, yeah, that one.
Hit that one up there.
Yes, that was in the ad.
That was in the ad when I was a kid.
joe rogan
He's moving in for a kiss.
tom papa
He's got a girl floating in a...
Heart-shaped pool.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh, a heart-shaped bathtub with one of those weird roofs over there.
tom papa
It's all destroyed.
joe rogan
You pretend like you're fucking- Oh, it's all destroyed.
Yeah, look at it.
tom papa
The abandoned Poconos.
There was so much banging there.
Yeah, that's the champagne one.
Look, it's a champagne glass, and you sit in it, and you make love to your lady.
joe rogan
How do you get in there?
You gotta take an elevator.
Look at the Egyptian room.
tom papa
This is how bored people get of having sex with each other, that they have to climb in a champagne glass.
unidentified
Let's go to the Poconos, and we'll get the Egypt room.
Are you serious?
joe rogan
The Egypt room is so classy.
Can you really get the Egypt room?
unidentified
Well, there's a waiting list, but I know a guy.
joe rogan
She's got her shoes off.
They got a glass of wine.
He's ready to take her from behind.
He's sneaking up behind her.
tom papa
I got you a new coat from Lord and Taylor.
joe rogan
And that's a fuck position.
You only stay like that with someone you're banging.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
See?
Because if that was a buddy of yours, and you were sitting in his lap like that, and people walked in, they'd be like, hey, what the fuck's going on?
tom papa
We're just watching the game.
joe rogan
This is how we cuddle.
We stay warm.
We preserve body heat.
Why are your feet off?
Why do you have your shoes off?
Why do you have bare feet on?
tom papa
Are you going to climb me up to that glass or just look at it?
unidentified
You have to throw her up there if you want to bang her.
joe rogan
That's the only way she lets you.
tom papa
The Mount Airy Lodge.
joe rogan
You gotta throw her over your arm, like throw her over your shoulder, and then you have to climb some stuff and gently lay her down in the champagne.
tom papa
Oh, that's so terrible.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
There's another couple, different couples in the Egypt room.
So to let you know, you are not the first people to fuck in this room.
This African-American couple's been fucking in this room before you.
tom papa
Oh yeah, what do you think happens there?
What do you think happens there?
joe rogan
That's where people go to get their fuck on.
Look at that.
They're fucking basically naked.
That dude doesn't even have any pants on.
unidentified
That's like Playgirl 1975. She just gave him a handy and he said thanks.
joe rogan
And she just is really sensitive because she's on her period.
tom papa
And they got some room service.
joe rogan
Look at this.
This guy's hanging from the edge.
It's gonna break.
It's gonna be like one of them Rob Drydeck videos where the champagne glass is gonna come down, crush his skull.
She's gonna fall.
She's gonna be paralyzed from the neck down.
He's gonna be dead.
And it'll all be on security camera that the Russians have captured through WikiLeaks.
tom papa
There's no part of looking at the two people in the champagne glass having sex that makes you think that would be a good idea.
joe rogan
How about this old guy?
Yeah, I get to get my fuck on down here too, Louie.
Who needs a lady?
tom papa
Who needs a lady?
I'm by myself.
I'm in the glass.
joe rogan
I gotta make a decision.
unidentified
I can only afford one pair of glasses, so I went with the prescription sunglasses.
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck.
I don't like to look at the daytime, those fluorescent lights are bad for your brain.
Louie, trust me, they're bad for your brain.
My guy's a good guy.
Nobody knew what was good for you back then.
tom papa
Nobody did.
It really did.
joe rogan
You had to go to school to find out whether or not you should eat cigarettes.
A toast to pride.
Gay dudes.
You get in that bathtub.
Gay dudes have been banging.
tom papa
Everyone bangs in that glass.
joe rogan
Do you smell bleach?
Yeah.
That's not bleach.
Look at her.
Why do you have clothes on, Hooker?
tom papa
I'm by myself in a full one-piece bathing suit.
joe rogan
It's more like a cheerleader's outfit.
tom papa
It's so depressing.
People are so bored.
unidentified
They're so bored!
tom papa
Oh, God!
Can't you stay home and read a book or just take a nap?
joe rogan
Can you imagine if your daughter was taking dancing lessons from Patrick Swayze?
He's got that fucking silky mullet and he's dancing and moving across the floor.
No guy does that unless he wants to fuck.
Either he's fucking guys or he's fucking your daughter.
That's why he dances so good.
He likes to fuck.
tom papa
He's moving his hips around.
joe rogan
He wants to let you know, this is how I fuck you.
I fuck you to the music.
Spinning around.
tom papa
Salsa style.
unidentified
Stayin' alive!
Stayin' alive!
tom papa
Tight polyester pants.
joe rogan
Do you remember Saturday Night Fever?
You remember when it came out where everybody wanted to go dancing?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was a little kid, but I remember...
tom papa
Yeah, all of a sudden...
unidentified
Everyone was dressing like them.
joe rogan
What year did Saturday Night Fever come out?
tom papa
77. Was it?
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it was 10 years old.
tom papa
The Bee Gees.
joe rogan
And I remember people just would go dancing all the time now.
tom papa
It's true.
And they were wearing, like, all the open shirts.
joe rogan
My aunts were living with us at the time.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
They'd move from New Jersey or Florida, wherever the fuck they were at the time.
I think they moved with us around that same time when I was 10. I think they went dancing.
tom papa
Were they Fun Ants?
joe rogan
Yeah, they were nice.
Look at this.
Here it is.
tom papa
Yep.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that shirt.
Open shirt.
Look at that hair.
God, I've never had hair like that.
tom papa
What a great album.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
tom papa
The Bee Gees.
joe rogan
The Bee Gees were incredible.
tom papa
Incredible.
joe rogan
I wish we could play some of it on the podcast.
unidentified
Who?
tom papa
If you could sing like that?
joe rogan
He had his cigarettes on.
Cigarette smoking.
They were playing records.
And it was all about going out and everybody would go dancing and occasionally knife fights.
And that girl accidentally got that girl pregnant.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
She was cute, but she wasn't as hot as the other girl.
tom papa
I remember when she dropped the condoms in it.
I was like, what were those?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I didn't know what that was happening.
joe rogan
He's looking at a, I can't believe how good she is.
You want to give me lessons?
Next thing you know, they're banging.
She's not from his side of the track, so she really shouldn't be with him.
And, you know, he's kind of flawed, but he's got this special something, and he can really dance.
tom papa
He can dance.
joe rogan
You can really dance, Tony.
You think so?
For real?
Yeah, you can really dance.
tom papa
It was a simple time.
They just wanted to dance.
No one does that anymore.
unidentified
I know.
tom papa
Just had love songs.
There were so many love songs in the 70s.
joe rogan
Just life in general was different.
tom papa
Yeah.
Came out of the Vietnam War and stuff.
He just wanted to just chill out and love a little bit.
joe rogan
Well, as we're getting overwhelmed with data and information, this becomes more and more ridiculous.
You look at making a movie exactly like this today, and you could make one of those step-on-up dance movies.
tom papa
La La Land.
joe rogan
But those movies are stupid.
tom papa
La La Land.
joe rogan
I don't know what that is.
That's the one that almost won the award?
tom papa
Yeah, it was a big hit this year, and it was a musical, and there was a lot of dancing.
joe rogan
Well, did you see it?
tom papa
I did.
joe rogan
How dare you?
tom papa
I live with girls!
I live with girls!
joe rogan
The theater queens.
tom papa
We weren't in the theater.
We were watching it at home.
I got the screener, and my kids wanted to see it.
I didn't really enjoy it.
joe rogan
Well, you listen.
It's an anomaly.
tom papa
I was fighting a raccoon while they were watching it.
I was fighting a raccoon in the face.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
It's a rough night.
tom papa
But it was kind of this.
It was kind of dancing and la la la.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is this is a dumb movie.
And if you wanted to make this dumb movie today, it wouldn't be so interesting.
It would be silly.
You'd be like, this is so silly.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But now that people...
We know more about how people are.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
You know, it's just...
It's all different.
tom papa
And we've seen a lot of stuff, so things can't be so shitty.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've seen everything.
tom papa
I was watching...
I saw someone had a thing for a speed buggy.
Remember that cartoon speed buggy?
joe rogan
No, I don't.
tom papa
It was like a...
joe rogan
Speed Buggy.
tom papa
Speed Buggy.
joe rogan
I kind of remember, yeah.
tom papa
And it had the guy with the goggles, and they would do this little theme song, and they would go, Speed Buggy!
joe rogan
Look at this.
tom papa
Right.
And they'd go, Speed Buggy!
And then Speed Buggy goes, That's me!
joe rogan
Wait a minute, does that have anything to do with Scooby-Doo, or are they just thieves?
tom papa
Probably the same.
joe rogan
Those people look exactly like the Scooby-Doo people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
tom papa
Yeah, that's Scooby-Doo instead of the car's Scooby-Doo.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's Shaggy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That red-headed guy?
tom papa
Yep.
joe rogan
And that's the other two people that were always hanging out with Scooby-Doo, right?
The jock and the cheerleader?
tom papa
Wearing the same clothes.
joe rogan
Yeah, look, that's Shaggy.
tom papa
And they fight crimes, and they find out who the bad guys are.
joe rogan
Oh, the gorilla almost gets it.
Like, see that guy in the back?
That's the jock.
And the girl in the front?
tom papa
Yep.
joe rogan
That's like Veronica.
tom papa
It was so simple.
Like, you couldn't make this now.
joe rogan
How about Gilligan's Island?
tom papa
Speed buggy.
That's me!
joe rogan
Could you make Gilligan's Island without people banging?
Who the fuck would believe that show?
He's telling me the only one that's banging is Thurston Howell and his wife?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're the only ones who are banging.
They're the only ones who are married.
tom papa
Lovey.
joe rogan
Nobody else is even kissing.
tom papa
Nobody.
That's right.
joe rogan
The sailor, the fucking, the skipper, and Gilligan, don't they have bunk beds?
tom papa
They have a bunk hammock.
joe rogan
Yeah, is that the most obvious gay couple ever?
tom papa
Get over here, little buddy.
joe rogan
Look at this.
tom papa
Look at that.
joe rogan
And you have two fucking smoking hot girls.
And then there's the two camps.
Like, which camp are you?
You camp Ginger or you camp Marianne?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I like a regular girl.
I could take fishing.
tom papa
Like the girl next door.
I'm more of a Marianne type.
Yeah, she looks sexy from Italy.
joe rogan
I want a girl that looks good on the red carpet.
I'm more of a Ginger type.
I'd rather live in Beverly Hills.
tom papa
And the professor was like the intelligent one, and he wasn't that smart.
joe rogan
He didn't get to bang either.
Nobody got to bang.
tom papa
Nobody banged.
joe rogan
The professor wasn't intelligent?
tom papa
Not really.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
It was like 70s science intelligence.
joe rogan
What did they know back then?
tom papa
Right now he's like, look, I found a bird.
You can tell by its wings.
unidentified
Meanwhile, he's not concerned that stupid bird just lets him hold it.
joe rogan
But birds are prey.
Like, they get eaten constantly.
Does that bird have any instincts?
If you eat it, it's probably poisoned.
tom papa
This was a hit.
joe rogan
This was a hit.
tom papa
A runaway hit.
joe rogan
He's rehabbing this bird.
I think, if I remember correctly, Gilligan's Island was on for far less time than we think it was.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I believe that.
joe rogan
I don't think it did a few seasons.
How many seasons, if you had a guess?
tom papa
I loved it when I was a child.
Were we seeing it in reruns?
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
64 to 67. See?
It's only a three-year show.
tom papa
Three years.
How many episodes?
30 episodes?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
I guess it's four years if they did a full season for each year.
tom papa
That is pretty short.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
How many episodes?
What does it say?
tom papa
I'm trying to find out.
It might have been 30 per season.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
That's a lot.
That's a lot of storylines.
That's unusual.
That's a lot of storylines.
joe rogan
Usually it's 22, because you would get 13, that would be your big order, and then you would get the back nine.
tom papa
This was olden times.
joe rogan
Well, this is real olden times where they didn't get paid.
So Gilligan and Skipper and everybody, they got fucked.
They played these things.
They're playing them somewhere now.
So whoever owns them, they own it forever.
And you don't get residuals.
tom papa
Wow.
Poor Gilligan.
joe rogan
They paved the way, though.
tom papa
A lot of shitty shows.
But they still make, like, goofy shows.
You know what's interesting?
Like, all the kid shows that the kids get raised on, like these Disney shows and stuff, they're as goofy as all the stuff in the 70s.
joe rogan
Some of them are funny, man.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I've watched Dog with a Blog with my kids.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's called Dog with a Blog.
I think it's canceled.
I think it's canceled now.
And they're all bummed out because there's no more new episodes.
tom papa
My kids watched it, too.
joe rogan
It's a funny show.
It's good writing.
Like, it makes me laugh.
I've laughed.
It's silly.
tom papa
You know, there's something to that classic rhythm of giving you jokes.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
They're traditional sitcoms.
This is what sitcoms were.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Multi-camera and just joke, joke, joke, joke, joke.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Which is good if the jokes are good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is good if the jokes are good.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't watch them anymore.
tom papa
No.
Well, they don't really.
The only ones are the ones on CBS, like Big Bang.
joe rogan
They're the only ones that still do it?
tom papa
Yeah, they're the only ones that really do.
joe rogan
ABC doesn't do it anymore?
tom papa
Now they're all single cam.
jamie vernon
Still a few on NBC, like the Carmichael show.
joe rogan
Is that one on?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do they do?
Do they do okay?
unidentified
They're still on.
jamie vernon
I think they got renewed for another season, so that's at least what they're looking for, probably.
joe rogan
Well, I'm sure some people still enjoy it, if we're talking about it right now, you know?
tom papa
They do work.
If they're funny and there's funny characters, that's a pure, you know, it's more jokes than the single cameras.
joe rogan
It's a lot of work.
Have you ever done one?
You did one, right?
Well, you didn't have a sitcom, you had a TV show.
tom papa
I had a sitcom for like six episodes.
joe rogan
You did?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was it?
tom papa
It's called Come to Papa.
joe rogan
Come to Papa.
unidentified
Come to Papa.
tom papa
And it was just like a little sitcom, NBC. Yeah, man, they don't...
unidentified
They killed it.
joe rogan
They kill them.
They kill them quick.
tom papa
It was really quick.
joe rogan
I'm glad I did it, but I would never do it again.
tom papa
You wouldn't?
joe rogan
Nah.
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
It's so much work.
It's a great thing to do if you want to be an actor.
But if you want to do stand-up as well...
tom papa
Right.
No way.
joe rogan
Especially not in the beginning.
Because in the beginning, it's ruthless.
It's like 12-hour days every day.
You're always tired.
tom papa
Right.
And you're not even writing on it.
You're just acting on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The only good thing is sometimes you have time during the day.
You might have a couple hours break during the day.
You might even be able to go to the gym.
If you know you're not in four scenes in a row, they'll tell you, like, hey, we won't need you until noon.
tom papa
You can bust out of there.
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes you can bust out.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But that's not often.
But you'd be able to write a little bit, maybe.
tom papa
Yeah.
And the guys who are in it and write on it, then forget it.
When all the actors go home, then you start going to work in the writer's room.
joe rogan
I never forget, I had lunch with Ray Romano when he was just starting to do Everybody Loves Raymond.
And it was me and him and Kevin James, and we're at Jerry's Deli, and all Ray Romano.
He's obsessed with his show.
He's like, well...
unidentified
How about if I had the guy, he comes in here, he walks in this door, and that's how we set up the scene.
joe rogan
He just was like, the reason why that show had become that monster hit that it was, he was a great comic who was obsessed with every fiber of his being, making this a really good show.
That's not like a really, really, to this day, underrated show.
tom papa
Oh, it was a great family show.
joe rogan
Great show.
tom papa
So funny.
joe rogan
He's a funny dude, too.
tom papa
Yeah, he is funny.
joe rogan
I worked with him in Queens, New York at Jimmy's Comedy Alley.
Do you ever know that place?
tom papa
I heard of it.
I was never there.
joe rogan
It was an old bowling alley that they converted to a comedy club.
It was a great spot, man.
tom papa
Was it?
joe rogan
It was a great spot.
It was a great spot.
And I was the middle act, and he was the headliner.
Ray Romano.
And I remember sitting back...
After I did my show, I'm going, God damn, this guy's a good joke writer.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so smooth and it's timing.
tom papa
I ran into him at Stand Up New York, same thing.
I thought I did well and then Ray walked in and went on and I was like, oh boy.
joe rogan
He's so good.
tom papa
He was really good.
joe rogan
So smooth.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was talking about movie theaters.
tom papa
Really in control.
joe rogan
He was talking about, somebody actually, I saw another guy steal his joke and I was so upset.
He did this joke about movie theaters.
He said, you go with your guy friends and there's always the I'm not a homo seat.
And he was like going off about the insecurity of men that they don't want to sit next to each other.
tom papa
That's a hard schedule though.
How long were you doing it?
Five years.
Five years.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did it for five.
Five seasons.
tom papa
That's good.
That's a good run.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it was good.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was an interesting thing to do.
We did 90, I think 98 or 99 episodes.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
It was weird, man.
It's a lot of work.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But good.
Yeah.
Well, no, it was an awesome thing to do.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think that today, like, back then, that's all there was.
There was no reality shows.
There was no anything else.
There was a few dramas, like cop shows and shit.
tom papa
Yeah, there were multiple nights of all comedies.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Thursday night was, like, all sitcoms on NBC. Yeah.
That was, like, the big lineup, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what do they have on Thursday night now?
tom papa
Must see TV. I don't know.
I have no idea.
They have that Superstore.
And, uh, I don't know.
joe rogan
Is NBC Law& Order?
tom papa
I don't watch any of that stuff.
joe rogan
Is Law& Order NBC? Yes.
What the fuck is with people?
Why are we so obsessed with people getting caught murdering people?
tom papa
I don't know.
I know.
Someone was saying that there's another podcast that just came out that's really popular all about murders.
It's just murders.
People love murders.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm sure.
tom papa
I know.
I don't get that.
joe rogan
They love mysteries.
tom papa
Mysteries?
joe rogan
What's gonna happen?
tom papa
Is he gonna get caught?
Will he not get caught?
joe rogan
You know, there's a podcast that's out now specifically about the mystery of Where's Richard Simmons?
tom papa
Oh, that's my podcast.
It's called Come to Papa, but it's really about Richard Simmons.
joe rogan
Welcome back to Come to Papa.
I'll be in Syracuse May 14th and 15th.
And now, speaking of where I am, where's Richard Simmons?
tom papa
Is that a real thing?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
It's a real podcast?
Like, they can talk multiple days about that?
unidentified
Forever.
joe rogan
They can talk to the end of time, but they're gay.
If you're gay and you're on Adderall and you're talking about Richard Simmons, you probably keep going, keep going, keep going.
He was amazing.
He was a pioneer, okay?
Give him some fucking respect.
tom papa
To the left.
joe rogan
He's a goddamn pioneer.
But do something about that here.
Seriously.
unidentified
Seriously.
tom papa
Yeah, people love murder.
I don't like murder.
I don't like hospital shows.
I don't like...
My wife was addicted to autopsy shows when she was pregnant.
It kicked in and she couldn't stop watching autopsy shows.
joe rogan
Oh, do you remember that HBO guy?
tom papa
Yeah, I think that was it.
joe rogan
Dr. Michael Batten would catch people in the weirdest ways.
tom papa
Yeah.
Weird.
joe rogan
There was one guy who was a doctor, and he had this woman, and he kept her body in his house, and he'd bring in crates and crates of perfume, and he would douse her decaying body with perfume.
And he had fastened some sort of a hole near where her abdomen was when it rotted away.
He put something there that he manufactured where he could stick his dick into it.
So he could get on top and put a mask on her.
And, you know, they were trying to figure out where the body had gone.
This guy had taken the body and brought it to his house.
It was so intense.
It was so intense.
Because I remember thinking, like, wow, this guy wanted this woman so bad that once she died, he couldn't help himself.
He had to, like, keep her body.
Now I have her.
Now she's with me.
This is what I've always needed.
Let me just keep covering her up with perfume and he would get rock hard and climb on top of her a rotting bag of bones and meat and stick his dick into her.
She's just- he's probably had like a surgical mask on.
She's like stinking of rotten meat and perfume.
tom papa
I would much rather watch Bob's Burgers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got a little graphic there, folks.
tom papa
You got really into it, and it was disturbing.
joe rogan
Well, I just want...
tom papa
See?
This is why these shows are popular.
Because they're sickos like you.
joe rogan
No, man.
I don't even watch that anymore.
Me describing that and putting that visual image in everybody's mind is nothing like watching on TV and getting that visual image.
It's so much more innocent and less guilty.
tom papa
It's worse, because now you made us a part of it, because we had to paint it ourselves.
joe rogan
You've got to know that those people are real, though.
tom papa
Yeah, you do have to know.
joe rogan
Those nurse ones always freak me out.
You find some nurse who killed like 50 people, and you're like, what?
tom papa
Yeah, just quietly.
joe rogan
Quietly poisoning people.
tom papa
Yeah.
Putting these people out.
joe rogan
You're not doing so good, Tom Papa.
I just have a toothpick.
unidentified
Toothpick?
joe rogan
We're going to have to amputate.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Wait a minute.
Hold on a minute.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
tom papa
This nurse is crap.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, that power rush that they must get from doing crazy shit like that.
joe rogan
Those autopsy shows are fucking weird, man.
It's a weird, compelling fascination.
tom papa
That it happened to her while she was pregnant was like this weird, like, something physical and mental was happening.
joe rogan
You start getting nervous about your environment.
You're like, how safe are we?
What are people capable of?
tom papa
You want to know what everything is.
joe rogan
And you see Ice-T kicking in the door to some house and there's a woman gagged.
Special Victims Unit, I'm here!
Body count.
My new album drops Monday.
tom papa
Bum, bum.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You should have never done it.
unidentified
Bum, bum.
joe rogan
Take them away.
They get them in the end, always, because it's law and order.
tom papa
Bum, bum.
joe rogan
It's not law and hopefully we have order.
No, we enforce the law with iced tea.
tom papa
Bum, bum.
And Richard Pelzer.
And Belzer.
What a weird career that is.
A comic and a rapper.
Yeah, they just go from this important comic of his time, New York, and then boom, boom, for the last 30. Just reading stale lines for 30 years.
joe rogan
Like, how many years was he on that show?
tom papa
Yeah, I think maybe.
You think that's where the body is?
Yeah.
It's so weird.
Probably, like, I bet he was on that show for 15 years.
Boom, boom.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
But I guess that paycheck is just so sweet.
Why would you want to go to Giggles and Saugus?
tom papa
Nah, no guy.
I'm not going to.
joe rogan
Do a weekend.
Some drunk asshole is going to heckle you over their pizza.
tom papa
Nah, I'm done with that.
You'd have the sunglasses on and just that attitude.
joe rogan
Well, you moved to Paris.
tom papa
Nah.
joe rogan
Do you remember that?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you live in New York, and you work in New York, you can live in Paris.
tom papa
It's not far away.
joe rogan
It's a five-hour flight.
tom papa
It's like, yeah, it's coming here.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is like coming here.
tom papa
You just gotta go through customs.
joe rogan
New York's in the middle.
And so, like, Johnny Depp lived in Paris for a while.
tom papa
Yeah.
I wouldn't do that.
joe rogan
That didn't work out, did it?
tom papa
No, because he started hammering people.
joe rogan
Hammering them.
tom papa
I don't know.
I go on vacations, and I go to some foreign country, and you're like, this is so great.
And it's like, after a couple days, you're like, I've got to get back to the States.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't understand people like, I'm moving to Costa Rica.
Fuck it.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
You're doing what?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Exactly.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, you visit there.
tom papa
Yeah, that's vacation.
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you doing?
Why would you move there?
tom papa
I want to go live there.
joe rogan
Costa Rica is amazing, bro.
It is amazing.
It's amazing when you visit.
But if you lived there, you would go, oh, you have to bribe the cops.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, this is a total...
I was in Costa Rica on vacation with my fucking kids, dude.
I'm walking my kids on the beach, and this guy goes, hey, man, do you want weed?
Do you want coke?
What do you want?
Do you want girls?
I'm like, hey.
Listen, buddy, come on, man.
I'm here.
I want all those things, but I don't want it right now.
tom papa
They don't have a real police force, fire force, the running water's intermittent.
No.
Give me convenience.
joe rogan
One time I was in Mexico, and I was at this resort, and they had these electric golf carts.
You could take the carts out of the resort to go to the local town.
And so we left the resort and went to the local town, and Maybe a block outside the resort, there's a full-on military compound.
I mean, full-on, with dudes standing there, fully armed, in a jeep, an armored jeep, with a bulletproof face, like a tank face, where they duck down while they're driving so they don't get shot.
And I'm watching this, and I'm like, what in the hell?
And then I realized, oh, this is to protect the resort.
tom papa
Wow, my God.
joe rogan
Of course.
It changed my entire feeling of what I was doing.
tom papa
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Before, I was like, hey, we're relaxing.
tom papa
All those places.
joe rogan
We're on the beach.
tom papa
Jamaica, man!
joe rogan
Yeah, we're going to have some Mai Tais and kick back and look, the sun.
It's so beautiful.
I love Mexico.
I don't know why everybody thinks it's dangerous.
unidentified
LAUGHTER It's true!
joe rogan
There's tanks!
Think of guys with machine guns!
tom papa
And if they're not there, we're all dead.
joe rogan
Oh, you're fucked.
You're fucked.
Because the people from the town will just go, why do they have so much and we don't- They're so poor, and then you're bringing in all these people with a lot of money.
Yeah.
tom papa
Scary.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was weird.
tom papa
I just went to the Dominican Republic.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
tom papa
And they're like...
I said, where do you stay?
And they're like, Punta Cana.
That's where I was doing the show.
And they're like, that's the only place to stay.
I was like, is it that bad?
And as I'm landing, I just look up Dominican Republic.
And someone was doing a Facebook Live thing in a studio.
And some guy walked in and just shot him in the middle of it.
That was happening as I'm like...
Nervously trying to find my guides to bring me to the resort.
It's always just on the outskirts of these places.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that was going on in Acapulco.
I remember during the drug war when it was at its worst.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The Mexican drug war was going on down there.
In Acapulco, a bunch of people got shot.
Like tourists and shit.
tom papa
Jeez.
No, it's serious stuff.
My parents went to Mexico when I was a boy and brought back a shirt that was a Mexican guy and his sombrero said Acapulco and his bow tie said gold.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tom papa
Acapulco gold.
That was my cool shirt when I was like 10.
joe rogan
Tom Papa knows where the good weed is.
Yeah, they would grow weed in Acapulco.
They were called Acapulco Gold.
tom papa
Acapulco Gold.
joe rogan
That was the shit.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that?
tom papa
I got the shirt.
joe rogan
I never had any of that stuff.
tom papa
Me neither.
joe rogan
That was back when I didn't smoke weed.
tom papa
I bet it wasn't that great.
joe rogan
Not compared to this science weed they have now.
tom papa
No way.
No way.
joe rogan
These goddamn wizards.
tom papa
Yeah, I get uncomfortable in those places.
I always want to be like the cool photojournalist who kind of hangs out with the people and doesn't worry and just goes to their house and has a meal.
But I'm totally on guard and nervous when I'm in places like that.
Especially if I'm with my family.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, if you're in a real poor area and you're a bunch of wealthy white people that are fucking vacationing, it's weird because the area needs it because it provides, you know, like your revenue comes in and it helps them and it gives people that live there jobs.
Yeah.
But it's, again, like we were talking about going outside of Albany.
You just drive two hours outside of Albany.
Like, where the fuck am I? It's the same thing out there.
tom papa
Same, yeah.
joe rogan
But probably more extreme.
tom papa
Right, exactly, because there's not as many cops.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and being a cop is a different thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If everybody's corrupt.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You see Narcos?
tom papa
Yeah.
Woo!
joe rogan
Goddamn.
tom papa
Intense.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that's a good show.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Narcos is scary.
Pablo Escobar lived a fucking crazy life.
tom papa
What a crazy life with his pot belly.
joe rogan
How did he do that?
tom papa
I know!
joe rogan
It's amazing how far some people get with insane behavior.
tom papa
It really is amazing, isn't it?
joe rogan
Whoa, that guy was...
tom papa
Just completely like, no, I'm gonna make this work.
This is how my head works.
joe rogan
Man, he was blowing up government buildings and...
tom papa
Airplanes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Scary.
joe rogan
Built his own jail.
Put himself in a jail.
Partying in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bringing in bitches and playing pool.
tom papa
Handing out cash to the people.
He was a hero.
joe rogan
Then afterwards he's like, you know what?
I'm tired of being in this fucking place.
Murdered a guy in the jail.
Beat him in the head with a bat.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then he's like, ah, fuck this place.
I'm getting out.
I'm leaving.
Just left.
tom papa
His little sneakers.
joe rogan
So crazy.
tom papa
Running down the path.
joe rogan
But this is all real.
tom papa
I know.
It's insane.
joe rogan
You really did all these things.
tom papa
It's insane.
When you think how far that is from how you live your life.
You know what I mean?
It's so far away.
joe rogan
And it just happened.
tom papa
Yeah, it's happening right now.
Some new guys on his way working up the ladder.
joe rogan
How about when Sean Penn went down and met El Chapo and took that fucking picture with him?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, how crazy is Sean Penn?
tom papa
Was there ever an article about that?
Was there ever an interview with him?
joe rogan
He wrote it.
Sean Penn wrote it.
tom papa
I never read it.
joe rogan
I read it.
tom papa
I remember the thing going down, but I don't remember.
joe rogan
It was weird.
It was weird.
I was like, I don't understand what he was trying to do.
Why he decided to do that.
Look at that fucking picture.
That picture is insane, dude.
tom papa
Why did he do it?
joe rogan
Because he's crazy.
He's a wild man.
Sean Penn is a wild man.
I mean, he really is.
You have to be to do this.
I had one opinion of him before, and then I had a different opinion of him after this.
This guy, he actually did that.
He actually went there.
tom papa
Into the woods, right?
Didn't they put a hood over him or a blindfold and take him to the woods?
joe rogan
I don't remember how it all happened, but there was some girl who was friends with El Chapo.
El Chapo's probably slinging dick her way the same way.
You know, the same way Pablo Escobar was that really hot reporter.
tom papa
The reporter, yeah.
joe rogan
So El Chapo was probably stuffing that girl, too.
And he's like, I want you to give me Sean Penn.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
You're exactly right.
That's exactly what happened.
joe rogan
She's like, I don't know.
I don't know if he'll do it.
tom papa
He'll do it.
joe rogan
Give me Sean Penn.
tom papa
I want that boy from Colors.
unidentified
Get me the dude from Fast Times at Ridgewood High.
tom papa
He'll understand the good part of drugs.
joe rogan
That's right, he was in colors.
tom papa
He was in colors.
joe rogan
I am a nightmare walking, psychopath talking.
Iced tea.
It goes full circle.
We're back to iced tea again.
tom papa
I did a show last night, a charity show, and Common was on the show.
joe rogan
The rapper turned, now he's a big time actor, right?
tom papa
Actor and poet.
Poet.
Yeah, he's a poet.
joe rogan
Slow your roll, son.
Just because you make shit rhyme.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm published.
tom papa
He's a positive force, that guy.
That's good.
He's a good one, for sure.
joe rogan
That's nice.
tom papa
Yeah.
I was impressed.
joe rogan
The world needs more poets, Tom Papa.
tom papa
It sure does.
joe rogan
Not really.
tom papa
Let me count the ways.
joe rogan
Poetry boy, that's one thing.
You better be good.
You better be good.
tom papa
You're right.
joe rogan
And even if you are, half the people are going to hate it.
tom papa
It's like a comic.
It's like, if you're bad, it's really bad.
joe rogan
And even if you're good, half of you are going to hate it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
There's going to be a certain amount of people that hate you no matter what.
You can do your best shit ever.
And some people could say, like, you'll get like four tweets in a row about a special, fucking amazing, amazing, very disappointed.
There's going to be people that hate everything.
tom papa
Yeah.
In your audience of people who are coming to see you, there's going to be a couple people like, meh.
joe rogan
And there's also people that you're never going to make happy no matter what.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Because they're just twats.
They just suck.
tom papa
Twat's such a fun word.
joe rogan
It's a great word.
tom papa
Twat is a good one.
joe rogan
They let us say twat on TV. You can say twat on TV, right?
tom papa
You can say twat?
joe rogan
I bet you can.
tom papa
I don't think you can say twat.
joe rogan
If a girl says it, my mom's a twat.
tom papa
My mom's a twat.
joe rogan
You can't say lick my twat.
You can't say lick my twat.
If a girl says lick my twat, you should really think about not doing it.
Any girl that says lick my twat, you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's a twat?
unidentified
You're what?
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
What do you call it?
joe rogan
I was banging this girl once.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Back in the Disney, when I was 20, and she was the first girl to ever call her pussy a cunt.
She said, I want you to fuck me in my cunt.
I was like, whoa.
tom papa
Hello.
joe rogan
This girl was crazy.
She was one of those nether regions girls.
She was like the wildings.
You know how the wildings were in the Game of Thrones?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know those people that lived out in the land between the kingdoms?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
She lived in Connecticut, which is my map.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's where the Wildings live.
Those weird towns.
tom papa
Between New York and Massachusetts.
joe rogan
Westbury, Connecticut or some shit like that.
You're like, what are you doing here?
She was just crazy.
tom papa
Was she really?
joe rogan
She was so crazy.
She was so crazy, I went to the bathroom once and she gave my friend her phone number like immediately.
This is after I'd already been having sex with her.
I had sex with her that day.
And she gave my friend her phone number.
She was crazy.
Any guy that would not tell you that some girl you're dating gave him her number, that's like a bad guy to have.
tom papa
Did he tell you?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, he did.
tom papa
Oh, that's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, he goes, dude.
He goes, that crazy bitch, as soon as you went to pee, she gave me her number.
I go, no way.
He showed me the piece of paper.
I go, that's cute.
He goes, go show it to her.
I go, okay.
unidentified
I go, did you leave this with my friend?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Yes, I did.
You called her out?
Yeah, I started laughing.
tom papa
What'd she say?
joe rogan
She was so stupid.
She was crazy.
She was more crazy than she was stupid.
tom papa
And did you see her often?
joe rogan
I saw her when I would go to Connecticut.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like, every, you know, five, six months for like a year and a half.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then the last one was like, I gotta stop.
I gotta stop hanging out with this girl.
She was way too crazy.
She came to one of my comedy shows and she brought these people that might as well have been screaming baboons trapped in a cage at the zoo while people threw water balloons at them.
They were screaming.
They were heckling and screaming and then I got on stage and I left her there.
I left her and her friends there.
I just bolted.
As soon as I got off stage, I just went outside, got in my car, and just drove.
And back then, when you drove, you were gone, man.
Nobody had a cell phone.
tom papa
That's right.
You could escape.
You literally could escape.
joe rogan
I actually had a cell phone before that, but I couldn't afford it anymore, so I didn't have a cell phone.
I had a car phone.
For a while, like 1989. Nice.
This was like a year or two after that.
It was like 90 or 91, so I don't even think anybody could get a hold of me.
tom papa
How cool.
You could just get in a car and go.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
No one could find you.
joe rogan
You just go.
unidentified
That's so great.
joe rogan
Well, I used to have these, like, one of those things I really like about these yellow legal pads is that these yellow legal pads, to me, they have, like, this different feel to them because that's what I would write all the directions.
To any of the places that I would go to.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because there was no internet back then.
So you would get, like, a gig from, like, the Comedy Connection.
Like, Billy Downs would be booking a room.
You'd call him up.
And he would give you the directions.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
You ready?
unidentified
You got a pen?
joe rogan
You got a pen?
Yeah.
Hold on a second.
And it was always, I would write it all on these yellow legal pads.
And then I would write down the address, the directions, how to get there, what to look for.
There's a third bar, and that's the one you want to turn.
And then you'll see the fucking Wings hut.
tom papa
Is that amazing?
joe rogan
So crazy.
tom papa
It's amazing.
joe rogan
I would have them with me and I'd be all excited because I'd look at that piece of paper.
I'd be like, I'm a hitman.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going out to do a job.
You know, that's what it felt like.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
Badass.
tom papa
I'm driving out in the middle of nowhere to go to a game.
joe rogan
The disconnected lands.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You go to these places.
Like in New Hampshire and shit.
tom papa
Yeah, one-nighters.
Just drive.
joe rogan
Vermont.
tom papa
Do a show.
Drive back.
Same night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I met this pretty girl once in Maine.
She was really pretty.
And she had nose rings.
I think she had two nose rings.
I think she had a ring in each nostril.
And, like, she was still pretty.
tom papa
Yeah, if you're pretty, that works.
joe rogan
But it was, you know, and we were hanging out, and it was just too heavy.
It's like she was so trapped in this weird Maine town.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And I was only, you know, 21, and I was seeing, like, where her path was, where my path was.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And, like, I didn't even want to have sex with her because of it.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
It was so heavy.
tom papa
Because you knew that...
joe rogan
She was trapped in this, like, weird land.
tom papa
And if you had sex with her, you would have to either get her out?
joe rogan
I would have some sort of a bond with her.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Well, not that I would get her out.
I was just like...
The whole thing to me was, like, so bonkers.
It's like she was describing her life and all the different people in her family that were abusive and all this craziness.
I was like, oh my god, this is so heavy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And I realized if you, just by an unfortunate roll of the dice, were literally shat out of your mom's vagina in the forest...
And there's some weird bar that everybody in this forest town gravitates to.
And then some industrious person from Boston decides, well, we're going to book that bar.
And we would drive up to those places and meet these poor people that were trapped there.
And some of them are cool as fuck.
Some of them are really cool.
Some of them have great family.
Some of them love it up there.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But not this girl.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Trapped.
joe rogan
I'll never forget.
Like her just...
tom papa
Well, especially at that age, imagine being a girl in that situation where it's just like, these animals, one of these guys in this pack is going to be the one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or some new dude who just came out of town, from out of town to tell jokes.
tom papa
At least now with social media, you see that there's options out there.
Like, you see other people living lives in different places.
unidentified
Sure.
tom papa
So you can, at least you're aware that there's another, there's somewhere I could go.
joe rogan
Well, also, you are also aware that there's other communities where you could probably thrive in.
You can make friends online, and you can literally find out where's a good place to live.
You can get a job online.
You can save up your money.
You can go somewhere, and you can get out of there.
tom papa
Yeah.
This is what I was thinking.
Don't you remember that there were kids working places all the time when you were growing up?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
From the time I was like 14, kids were working.
tom papa
Yeah.
There'd be kids working at the diner, there'd be kids working at the pizza place, at the ice cream shop, at the gas station.
You don't see kids working anymore.
joe rogan
It's true.
tom papa
Why?
What happened?
Are the jobs just taken by adults who need them?
unidentified
Goddamn Mexicans come over here and steal our children's jobs.
joe rogan
It used to be a good job for children.
tom papa
Is that just where we grow up that there's no kids working?
Like, are they doing it?
joe rogan
Yeah, we live in California.
There's all these white people out here.
tom papa
Yeah, but I grew up in New Jersey, and we weren't that far from the city.
joe rogan
See, again, we're old people talking about young people.
These kids today.
tom papa
No, we're not.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't know.
It's like what we're talking about with high school.
They don't fucking know what they're talking about.
tom papa
We're not judging them.
joe rogan
Dudes in their 40s talking about high school.
tom papa
We're trying to learn.
But there used to be kids working everywhere.
joe rogan
We're speculating now.
We don't know.
People get upset if you're speculating.
See that shit somebody did on Twitter, some comic dude, got mad at me.
Because I was talking to Gavin about gay people.
We were talking about, not even gay people, we were talking about specific incidences that have been in the news.
Like Milo Yiannopoulos having that thing fall out from under him because he said it's acceptable for older men.
He was essentially saying it's acceptable for older men to have sex with younger men.
tom papa
Right, 13 year old boys.
joe rogan
And then we're talking about George Takai, who talked about that as well.
It happened to him at summer camp.
Like some older dude had sort of busted moves on him and jerked him off and shit.
And it was pleasurable and he enjoyed it.
And we were talking about it like, wow, it's like, it's an intense, intense subject.
This guy got upset that we were talking about it without a gay perspective.
tom papa
So you're not allowed to speak about it?
Attention whoring.
Trying to figure it out?
joe rogan
I think it was attention whoring and maybe he just saw the green light to be upset and so he went for it but it wasn't rational.
tom papa
A comic?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Guy Branum, is that his name?
Whatever.
We worked it out online.
He was friendly afterwards and he apologized and I apologized.
tom papa
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
It was one of those things where it's like people though do get, they tend to feel like they're allowed to get upset if you're talking about something that you don't have experience with.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Even if it's something in the news.
tom papa
But you can't discuss it.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
tom papa
Right.
You're not allowed to try and figure it out.
joe rogan
Well, that's...
tom papa
That's what learning is.
That's what learning is.
Coming from something that you don't know anything about and asking questions and having a discussion about it.
joe rogan
That's when you know something's bullshit, when you're not allowed to talk about it.
You're not even allowed to talk about it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You can't discuss even politely.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You can't respectfully talk about it.
Well, then your thing is bullshit.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
Yeah, you have no argument.
You have no side.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's always this thing, right, and this is a big thing in certain circles when it comes to disenfranchised people, or you hear when it comes to gender and sex, you hear it like, you know, you should, like, that's one of the wonderful things that male feminists love to say.
They love to say, just shut up and listen to the women.
You need to shut up and listen to the women.
Well, that's crazy.
You should never shut up, because even if you're being respectful, if someone says something and you like them to clarify, or you're confused, or maybe you have some information that they might not be aware of, that might change their thought on things, like, being engaged in a conversation with someone is not necessarily a negative thing, but everyone is assuming that if you're not a girl, you shouldn't talk about girl issues.
tom papa
That's crazy!
Right, you shouldn't have any perspective because you're not part of the world.
joe rogan
If you're not a girl, if you're not a guy, if you're not gay, if you're not straight, if you're not...
You shouldn't talk about it.
tom papa
So what you're saying when you're asking people not to talk about it is you're saying it should be better if your whole part of the population stays ignorant of what's going on and we just stay where we are.
joe rogan
Just listen.
I'll tell you.
You just listen.
I'll tell you.
That's crazy.
tom papa
That's completely insane.
joe rogan
Well, it's a power thing.
That's what it is.
And when certain things develop too much social clout, when subjects hit this critical mass of social clout, or when the whole Bruce Jenner thing was going on, when you had to say that she was beautiful, and you had to say that you accepted it, and you had to say it was amazing.
Wasn't she just a fucking Kardashian just a little while ago?
Isn't this a ridiculous, insane family?
And wasn't this guy the dumbest one on the show?
What just happened?
Didn't this guy just push a lady into traffic with his car because he wasn't paying attention and killed her?
And we don't pay attention to that, but we pay attention to this whole gender change.
tom papa
Yeah, it's going to make you give a pass to all that other behavior.
joe rogan
And it'll make you seem like a really progressive and open-minded person if you say all the right things.
Tom Papa, what's your opinion?
tom papa
Well, let me just say, I think she's very brave and she's beautiful.
joe rogan
And a hero.
tom papa
Right?
She's a hero.
You know what I kept doing with my daughters to drive them crazy?
They were 11 and 14 and were watching the Oscars.
Anyone that came on that was a little chubby, male or female, I would just say, oh my god, look at him.
He's so brave.
Look at her.
She's so brave.
Dad, that's just a new way to say you think she's fat.
No, I think, look at that.
I mean, she's wearing that dress on TV. Dad!
joe rogan
My five-year-old doesn't give a fuck.
My five-year-old, well, she's six now, but when she was five, she was watching Caitlyn Jenner, my youngest, I should just say.
She was watching Caitlyn Jenner on TV, and she goes, Daddy, why does that man wear dress and makeup like that?
She's, like, shaking her head.
She goes, why does that man wear dress and makeup like that?
I go, I don't know.
That's how she identifies.
That's a she now.
She turns from a man into a woman.
And she just looked at me, and she just, like, leaned her head back and raised her eyebrows.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She walked away.
I was like, that kid just, she left the room.
She just left the room.
She's like, bitch, please.
Without saying it, she said, bitch, please.
She pulled her chin closer to her chest, lifted her eyebrows up, and then just, get the fuck out of here.
You just told me that that man turned into a woman.
I know it's a man.
I'm looking at her.
It's a man.
tom papa
Daddy.
joe rogan
She's like, daddy, why does that man have a dress on and makeup?
And I was like, well, she used to be a man, but she became a woman.
tom papa
I like her walking out of the room as kind of blaming you, too.
Like, all you adults are a mess.
joe rogan
She's like, you are retarded.
That can't even happen.
I'm six and I know it can't happen.
Or five at a time.
tom papa
Daddy, I'm not stupid.
joe rogan
Oh, you think I'm stupid, okay?
Yeah, this is some Santa Claus bullshit.
You're fucking running by me.
I think I'm supposed to think the Tooth Fairy comes in and sneaks money under my seat.
tom papa
The whole thing is so funny.
I mean, that is a big part of what the election was about.
You making us say and think things or just letting things be real.
joe rogan
Well, it goes in cycles.
We go one way and we go the other way.
And that's what it is.
It's just like we got tired of people going so hard politically correct, but you see how there's progress in that, like when you're talking about the kids in school.
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, you can't...
That's good.
People would walk into our schools.
Kids would walk up to other kids that were kind of slow.
What are you, retarded?
Like right to their face.
Look at him.
He's a sped.
He's retarded.
That doesn't exist anymore.
joe rogan
I think it still exists.
It just exists less and not where your kids go to school in comparison to where you go to school.
I mean, I bet if you're in LA Unified and you're hanging out in Compton, I bet you see some bad shit in school.
tom papa
Yeah, probably.
joe rogan
This is probably some bad shit still going on in a lot of schools.
A lot of kids are getting bullied, and people understand the consequences of that now.
Like, you're scared to go to class because someone's going to hit you, scared to go to class, someone's beating you.
tom papa
But bullying was just part of life.
It wasn't bullying.
It was just life back then.
joe rogan
But it was bullying, and it did ruin people's lives.
tom papa
It did, but nobody called it out.
No adult would help you out with it.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
It's just the way it went.
joe rogan
You had to learn how to take care of shit.
tom papa
And everyone was being bullied by somebody else.
It was dog-eat-dog.
It was...
I don't know.
I think that you're right.
I mean, the politically correct thing...
It swings that way and you're left with some good stuff and everybody adjusted.
And then it goes too far and you start to go after things that don't affect a lot of people.
And then people get fed up by it.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, those people that go too far with all that politically correct stuff, they're almost always emotionally unbalanced.
So, given enough time, they will reveal themselves to be either crazy or power-hungry or, like, really, like, a big part of that whole social justice warrior movement is really about shaming people, like, expressing anger, attacking people, Gaining power.
Punching people that disagree with you, like punch fascists, punch Nazis, like be aggressive about it.
And that somehow or another this is a good thing.
Because they're so delusional and so detached from real physical violence.
They have this idea that you're just going to go out there and push these people and take them back.
No, they're going to show up with guns, you fuck.
This is how wars get started.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
You escalate.
You try to control people.
You push too far.
You're not kind.
Instead, you're shaming people.
You're creating bad feelings and aggression.
Like, they've got this juvenile idea about confrontation.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That it just goes out there and it never comes back to you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
It always comes back to you.
unidentified
Good luck.
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
Good luck.
joe rogan
It comes back.
It comes back.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, it's...
People are, I think, striving for kindness is a good thing.
I really think that trying to be nice to people, there's nothing wrong with that.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
But then, if you're trying to be so nice that now you're the aggressor, you've gone over the side of the cliff.
joe rogan
100%.
And that's what happens.
That's what people do.
They go so far left, they go around the fucking equator, and they wind up on the right.
I mean, it just happens.
You become a fascist to fight off the fascists.
That's what happens.
tom papa
Round and round they go.
joe rogan
And the people that are effective with it, one of the things that's happening is they outdo each other, they feed off of each other, they play to each other, they're playing to the room.
And they ramp it up so they know that there's other people that agree with them, and they see how far they can take it, and the further you can take it, like, oh my god, Mike is so hardcore.
Well, he's not as hardcore as Paul.
Paul's out there struggling.
He's in Guatemala right now.
You know what I mean?
It's like they push so hard on this social justice front that they're doing it for each other and impressing each other and impressing these communities of people that get together.
And then somewhere along the line, they forget how cruel they're being to people who disagree with them.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're being vicious and nasty and they're trying to shame people and write blogs about them and attack them in videos.
And they do not realize that while they're doing this, they're just setting a process in motion that is unavoidable.
You're putting out negative and it's going to come back.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And not only that, you're going to feel personally the effects of all that stuff.
Like when you're shitting on people and you ruin someone's life with some hate blog or something like that, and then that person attacks you.
tom papa
Toxic.
joe rogan
Yeah, and people are going to know that you did that, so they're going to want to come back to you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They're going to feel that you put something out there, so they're going to root for something to come back your way.
tom papa
Ugh, I don't know how people survive that way.
I really don't.
joe rogan
That's their game.
That's their game.
unidentified
It's gross.
joe rogan
Because they don't have a real physical conflict.
tom papa
Yeah, I think they probably...
joe rogan
So their conflict becomes that.
tom papa
They probably came from families where they like to fight a lot, and it was like...
They're kind of built for that.
There's no sensitivity to...
joe rogan
They get programmed.
tom papa
Yeah.
It's a strange existence.
joe rogan
Well, we've all been in arguments before and we've all had that feeling after it's over, that gross feeling of the conflict feeling like, yeah, like, ugh, I hate this.
Like, how did I get sucked into this again?
Like, what did I do?
Like, why did I react like that?
Like, why am I here?
And there's people that have that feeling and they're constantly trying to avoid those situations, but they still come up occasionally and then they feel even worse when they come up.
Like, for me, conflict today feels so much worse than conflict felt like 10 or 15 or 20 years ago.
tom papa
You personally.
joe rogan
Yes.
When I'm involved in conflict, I'm so much more sensitive to how other people feel than I used to be.
20 years ago, if I was in an altercation with someone, I was like, dude, go fuck yourself.
Bye.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
And I'd walk away like it was nothing.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I'd only think twice.
And then as I got older, I'd always think, like, how am I coming off to that person?
Like, maybe I could have handled it better.
Like, maybe the communication, if I was just more calm.
Initially, they would have been more calm.
We could have laughed it off, you know?
Like the kid in the pool hall.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But the kid in the pool hall was not a threat, and he was a young kid.
And I saw it, and I was like, what are you doing, man?
You're going to get hurt.
Like, don't do that.
But this, as I get older, there's this revelation that...
A lot of what we get into, a lot of these confrontations and arguments and disputes and a lot of negativity is all avoidable.
Like, it's not worth the attack.
tom papa
No, it's not.
I always felt that way, that it's a little more zen-like to go with it.
And then my buddy was saying, no, you're more like codependent.
You're trying to make other people happy to a point where it's a negative for you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
tom papa
Like when you were talking about you being 20 and just being like, oh, fuck yourself.
It's like, I never had that.
And I was always a little envious of that.
joe rogan
I had too much of it.
tom papa
Like being on the road and somebody cuts you off and it's just like, you feel so bad.
And if someone gives you the finger, it's like, I carry that with me all day.
It's such an upsetting interaction.
joe rogan
No, I would still be upset.
Don't get me wrong.
I would still be upset all day.
tom papa
Oh, you would?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I wouldn't feel bad.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I would be like, that fucking piece of shit.
You'd be more angry at him.
Yeah, yeah.
I wouldn't feel bad.
They're like, oh, I could have avoided that confrontation.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I wouldn't feel that.
I'd have a stupid way of looking at it, where instead of being philosophical about my own role in having this take place, and my own inability to manage the communication better.
tom papa
Yeah, how to handle it.
joe rogan
Yeah, just...
It's like everything else.
You get better at catching balls.
Some dudes are way better at catching a baseball than you.
And if you go out and try to catch that baseball, you're like, it couldn't be caught.
It was out of my hands.
But meanwhile, someone who's way better at it would just snatch it out of the sky and be like, I got this.
Easy.
Easy out.
You know what I mean?
It's really essentially the same thing when you're communicating with people.
If you're not good at communicating, you have these awkward moments, and you're as much responsible for someone else getting pit.
Even if they did something wrong, Like, you're as much as responsible for it going bad as they are, in a way.
tom papa
It's a difficult thing because you can sometimes be very aware of it and very sensitive to people and try and make everything cool, and then somebody says something or does something, and there's something inside us that just flares.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's just like...
joe rogan
Especially with booze.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
It's just like, no.
No.
You know?
And it catches you by surprise.
It's like...
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem is when it catches me by surprise, I'm always like, oh my god, my mouth is moving faster than my brain here.
I'm just saying aggressive things.
I haven't thought this through.
People do do that.
And then you're like, oh shit, better be poised for violence.
So you're like, your brain's on...
Then the communication skills are even worse.
Because I'm not really thinking about communicating.
I'm thinking, if I feel like you're moving in my direction too quickly...
I'm going to act.
So we're in this stage.
tom papa
Do you have, because you know violence or you know fighting, you have been trained in it, you know it, you've lived aspect of it, Does it put you more on alert physically when you're out in the world?
joe rogan
I've seen people get punched.
I've seen people get punched where they didn't expect to get punched.
I've seen people get sucker punched and knocked unconscious.
It's fucking terrifying.
tom papa
But I'm saying, do you...
joe rogan
People do do it.
I know the consequences of it.
tom papa
No, but do you...
So do you, when you walk around the street, are you more...
Are you looking for violence more than someone that wasn't trained?
unidentified
No.
tom papa
Not to engage in it.
joe rogan
Oh, no, I know what you're saying.
Just to see it.
tom papa
Are you aware of it happening more?
joe rogan
I'm definitely...
I definitely try to be aware when there's men and they're drinking.
Whenever there's men and they're drinking, or if you're in a poor neighborhood, like we were talking about being outside of a resort in Mexico and you see the military and you realize why it's there.
I just think that, for the most part, you're safe.
Like, almost everywhere.
It's being a man, especially.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I think if you're a woman, it'd be a very different thing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because you have two things going on.
You got, one, the majority of the people around you that are men can overpower you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And two, the majority of people that are men might fuck you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, if you're an attractive woman in particular, and you're walking around, you have a nice body, like, you're just a goddamn asshole target.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, everywhere you go.
tom papa
That's what they're thinking.
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you put those yoga pants on, those Lululemons, those fuchsia yoga pants, and you've got that big juicy ass, and you're walking down the mall, you're going to get bombed on.
It's going to happen.
tom papa
Are you saying when I do it?
When I wear it.
joe rogan
You're a juicy guy.
tom papa
But when you're not in those heightened situations, you're not thinking...
joe rogan
No.
But when people get inflamed, I get super nervous.
tom papa
Because it's similar to the gun thing.
It's similar to like...
joe rogan
Well, it is a gun thing.
tom papa
Well, if you have a gun, you're living...
Your reality's different.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Well, there's that.
But there's also like when people get upset and, you know, we're talking about things ramping up, like the momentum of them gets away from you and then you're saying things you haven't thought out yet.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
People make actions that they haven't thought out yet.
And you're a reasonable guy, and I try to be pretty reasonable.
And if I'm saying this, and I'm admitting that the emotions can get carried away, especially when there's danger involved, I can get to saying things that I should have probably never said, because it just got away from me.
What about an idiot?
What about an idiot who's been abused as a child?
What about an idiot who's been beaten and abused as a child?
And it's almost like, feels like they're at such a deficit of love, and they are owed so much violence, that they're very capable of inflicting violence on random people.
Yeah.
tom papa
That's just how they're programmed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that goes back to what we're talking about earlier, about real leaders.
If we had real leaders in real direction in this country, we would fix the educational system in these bad neighborhoods and spend a ton of money to try to rejuvenate these neighborhoods or have some sort of a plan to eliminate crime, to reduce crime, rather, to make it so safer.
tom papa
And you've got to start with kids when they're really, really young.
You can't wait until they're 16, 17 and go in and just throw some money at it and expect it to work.
joe rogan
You've got to just dump tons of money into it.
tom papa
You know, the private sector is the thing that does that more than the government.
joe rogan
It's profitable.
tom papa
Or even the non-profits.
I did this gig last night when I was staying with Common last night.
It was this group called the Help Group.
joe rogan
So did you do stand-up?
tom papa
I did stand-up and hosted the whole night.
And it's all about kids.
It's in LA and it's all about helping autistic kids, kids with special needs.
And you just watch.
It's such a nice thing to see all these people donating money, spending the night to support this school, that this woman's passion, just purely to help autistic kids Survive and find a way in the world.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
tom papa
Like, those kind of efforts, when you see, like, Bill Gates giving all of his money, there's so much positive...
Of course he does, though.
joe rogan
See, but Bill Gates is just trying to find programmers for Windows 30. He's only seen them now, and he's like, autistic kids, they're fucking wicked good at programming.
They sit in front of a computer, little freaks, just give them coffee.
unidentified
He calls it a camp, but it's really the back of Microsoft.
joe rogan
Come on.
No, I can't.
Hey, Billy, do you know that ones and zeros can represent computer language?
unidentified
Hmm?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
Sit them down.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
This is interesting.
Show me who you are.
tom papa
Tell your parents you want to live with me, Kenny.
joe rogan
You can stay in the place where I keep my submarine.
Whoa, interesting.
How's it propelled?
unidentified
Nuclear power.
joe rogan
Nuclear power submarine.
When you get them...
tom papa
But it really is pretty hopeful when you see these private groups with a lot of money pushing it.
The government doesn't do it anymore.
joe rogan
That feeling.
Anytime someone's doing something nice.
That feeling.
That feeling of, oh, a person's doing a nice thing.
tom papa
Did you see what the Pope said about panhandlers last week?
joe rogan
That you can fuck them like you fuck kids?
tom papa
Oh, you read it.
joe rogan
No, this Pope is anti-kid fucking.
He's not like that last guy.
tom papa
No, he's totally not into it.
He said, you know, in the question of whether you should give or not, it always comes up.
And you think, well, is he going to use the money on?
Is it just for drugs?
Or am I doing it just to make myself feel better?
All these kind of questions come up when you pass someone who's asking you for money.
And he said, there's never anything wrong with giving.
There's never anything wrong with giving to someone who's asking.
They're asking for some reason, as a human being, it's okay to give.
And I thought, that's great.
And then I thought, but what he's not taking into consideration is, but then what about the guy, then you walk a block, and there's another guy, and another guy.
joe rogan
You run out of money.
tom papa
You run out of money?
Or you then decide, no, I gave to that guy, and you're still in that space of, no, I'm a good person, but you still have to go through all that stuff in your head.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah, when do you decide?
tom papa
Yeah, at what point does it stop?
joe rogan
I'm good enough.
tom papa
The Pope has never been to Santa Monica.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
tom papa
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's right.
One after the other, those homeless dudes with backpacks and dogs.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
The homeless dudes with dogs are the weirdest.
Like, you are not planning anything, you fuck.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
How are you feeding your dog when you don't have a roof?
tom papa
It's so shitty.
joe rogan
It's totally shitty.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
But it's also broken people.
It's like, well, who raised that guy?
Well, I guarantee you it wasn't some really awesome dad like Tom Papa in some really nice neighborhood.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
And everybody loved him, and there's a lot of family and friends around.
unidentified
No.
tom papa
No.
Hard times.
joe rogan
Hard times, man.
tom papa
Hard fucked up times.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's hard being a person even if you're just normal.
If you're just...
It's hard to keep it together.
joe rogan
It is, man.
It's hard for everybody, for all of us.
And it's hard for a bunch of reasons.
And one of the biggest reasons is that the reality of being a human being does not make sense.
It just doesn't.
tom papa
Right.
Well, you need a job to do.
You gotta keep yourself busy.
joe rogan
That's the only way.
You have to have a passion, otherwise you start thinking, oh, here I am, clinging to this ball as it hurls through infinity, and worrying about the news.
tom papa
Remember when your kids first show up, some of their first things, toys, Are like kitchen sets and workbenches.
And they just gravitate to it and want to do a project.
And they make together a fake breakfast and bring it over to you, waddle to you, and give it to you.
They want to be busy.
You want your head to do something.
You have to feed your brain some activity.
You really do.
joe rogan
Well, that's why TV's so dangerous.
tom papa
It doesn't have to be something big, either.
It could be something small.
Just be into something.
joe rogan
That's why TV is so dangerous, because you could live your whole life without ever developing any interest.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
You're just going from show to show to show, and your mind is now occupied on some other actions, extraneous actions.
They're not even in your immediate vicinity.
tom papa
It's a positive thing when people ask me if I've seen this show, and I'm like, no.
What?
We just binged it.
You've got...
The more shows I say I haven't seen, it means I'm doing something right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I allow myself one show.
tom papa
Do you?
Do you have a rule?
joe rogan
I allow myself one show that I'm watching.
tom papa
Oh, that's a good rule.
joe rogan
Yeah, right now it's House of Cards, which is great because I just got into it a little bit ago.
So I'm only on season three and there's like two whole seasons to watch.
tom papa
Right.
That's good.
joe rogan
But one show is good.
So if I watch an hour of TV a night, that's good.
tom papa
That's a lot.
joe rogan
That's plenty.
tom papa
That's a lot.
Yeah, I can't.
You should be doing something else.
joe rogan
I need to do more shit, though.
tom papa
Why?
joe rogan
You got the bow?
No, but I'm feeling right now I need to do something new.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't feel like I'm stagnant because I'm constantly in motion.
It's all very positive, and I appreciate all the good things that are happening, and I appreciate all the people that enjoy the podcast and the comedy shows and all that stuff, but man, right now I feel like I need to wrap my brain around something fresh and novel and new.
tom papa
Have you ever tried baking bread?
joe rogan
Not interested.
tom papa
It's so good.
joe rogan
I don't even eat it.
unidentified
It's...
tom papa
But you can give it...
Your kids probably do.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Give my kids shit that I won't even eat?
unidentified
Ridiculous.
joe rogan
How dare you?
Bread tastes awesome.
I would do bread like once a week.
unidentified
It is a great...
joe rogan
So maybe I would cook bread on Sunday.
tom papa
It's a great mental...
It is that thing that I found.
Like I was kind of the same way.
And it kind of gave me...
I'm not saying it has to be Brad, but some kind of thing like that, where it's something that grounds you.
joe rogan
I think I'm going to write a book.
tom papa
Yeah?
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've been gearing up for that over the last couple of days.
I've been thinking, I need some sort of a project to wrap my head around, other than all the shit that I'm already doing.
tom papa
I'm writing one right now.
I have a deadline in May.
joe rogan
How many pictures is in it?
tom papa
There better be a lot.
joe rogan
I don't read books about pictures, bro.
tom papa
If I had to hand it in right now, it would have to have a lot of pictures.
unidentified
That's a bear.
joe rogan
Let's do a photo shoot.
You and me.
It's me and Tom.
Hey, we're at a podcast.
tom papa
Why are there 20 pictures of you and Joe Rogan?
joe rogan
We need to fill pages.
Can I have my check, please?
tom papa
I wasn't writing a lot, though.
joe rogan
You said 200 pages.
It's got 200 pages.
Fuck you.
tom papa
Fuck you.
Yeah, that would be perfect.
It's a bear.
joe rogan
Well, I used to do blogs all the time.
You did?
Yeah, at the very least I'm going to start writing blogs again.
You should do a book.
tom papa
I'm not trying to talk you out of it.
I, as a fan and a friend, would like that there would be a Joe Rogan book out there.
joe rogan
I'm going to lie about everything.
I'm going to make up stories.
I'm going to make a gonzo journalism book where I'm going to have some aspects of my life and then it'll be like, remember when Chuck Woolery, not Chuck Woolery, Chuck Barris.
tom papa
Chuck Barris.
joe rogan
They did a whole movie about him being an assassin for the government.
tom papa
He was the host of the Gong Show and killing people for the CIA. I'm going to do that.
joe rogan
I'm going to have most of the real stories of my childhood intertwined with murderers and werewolves and fucking vampires.
tom papa
That's a great book.
Call it Truth or Not.
joe rogan
You see this fucking latest shit about WikiLeaks saying that the CIA has access to all of our phones?
unidentified
Vault 7?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Get the leaks today?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't look through it yet.
unidentified
What is it?
joe rogan
Pull up an article because Edward Snowden was saying that it's not whether or not they can access, you know, whether they have access to your encrypted shit.
It's like that they've hacked Android and iOS.
Like, they can get into Android and iOS.
So if you're some...
But here's the thing.
They're saying they use it for espionage, right?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So, like, if the Russians are here, they want to find out what they're up to, you can hack into their phone, you can get their data.
Well, they're doing it, too.
So, like, if somehow or another we stop the CIA from doing it...
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Here's the question.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Would you want, if Russia's doing it and China's doing it...
tom papa
And North Korea.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden the CIA can't do it anymore, aren't they at a disadvantage?
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That seems, that seems like we don't know what the fuck we're doing.
PSA, this incorrectly implies the CIA hacked those apps, these apps, forward slash encryption, but the docs show iOS, forward slash Android are what got hacked, a much bigger problem.
So still working through the publications, but what WikiLeaks has here is a genuinely, is genuinely a big deal, looks authentic.
See, but I just, I feel like we have to be very careful if other people are doing things.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So, like, if you talk to people in the intelligence community, and I don't talk to a lot of them, but I have talked to a few, what they will tell you is you have to understand that what the majority of the American public thinks is going on in the world and what their motives are and what kind of espionage and fucking dirty tricks take place.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's way worse than you think it is.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're way lucky that you're sheltered from all this stuff.
And there's some bad fucking things that are going on in the world.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one of those things is, I mean, what you're looking at in Russia right now is like an emerging superpower run by a dictator.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And anybody who opposes him winds up dead.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen all those fucking Russians that have wound up dead recently?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're attached to these leaks?
Wasn't there, like, what's the latest count?
unidentified
Sixth yesterday?
I don't know if it...
joe rogan
I think there was a seventh one yesterday that died.
tom papa
Just taking people out?
joe rogan
People are just mysteriously getting whacked, and they're billionaires.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yes.
They're whacking billionaires.
tom papa
Jesus.
joe rogan
They're just whacking people.
You know too much?
Oh, yeah?
Come fish.
Let's go fishing.
These guys are disappearing.
They're not fucking around, Tom Papa.
tom papa
Do you think they control...
Do you think that they...
Did they...
joe rogan
Look at that.
Russian diplomats keep dying unexpectedly.
Look at his face.
Holy shit, he's terrifying to me.
tom papa
He is terrifying.
He's like one of those hell pigs.
joe rogan
See, we want to think that the world has learned from Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini.
The world has learned.
They're not going to do that again.
I don't buy that.
tom papa
No.
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
What did they say the number was?
jamie vernon
This says on here, six have died since November.
tom papa
This was on the 26th.
So doesn't that make you more frightened that they were interfering in our election?
joe rogan
Well, they certainly were aware of what was going on, and they certainly had access to some documents about the DNC. What concerns me is people that are ignoring, although that is an issue for sure, right?
But they're ignoring that what they did was...
They let us know about some horrible shit that the Democrats were up to where they were rigging the primaries and fucking over Bernie Sanders because he was too powerful and too dangerous to Hillary Clinton.
So they colluded.
They all used...
They conspired, rather, and they all used their influence to fuck over Bernie Sanders.
And then saying that the Russians hacked the election because they exposed that the Democrats are a bunch of cheating creeps It's kind of disingenuous.
Because yes, they did hack the election because they did release some of that information, so they did have an impact on it.
But that impact was essentially the truth and something that we really deserve to know in the first place.
We deserve to know the inner workings of the DNC. We deserve to know that they are getting in the way of democracy.
They're rigging it.
tom papa
Yeah, well, they're...
joe rogan
Yeah, they're rigging it.
tom papa
Politics is always dirty.
joe rogan
It's not politics.
It's illegal.
What they were doing was wrong.
What they were doing was they were interfering with the democratic process.
Whether or not it's illegal, it could be argued in court and maybe should be.
But it's most certainly not what anybody wants.
We don't want the DNC to dictate who the winner of the primary is.
We want the people to dictate it.
tom papa
We also didn't want Joe Kennedy putting...
People didn't want Joe Kennedy putting his bribing and stealing votes for his son to be elected.
This stuff is always going on.
joe rogan
But that doesn't excuse it.
tom papa
But the sidling up to that guy.
You know what I mean?
That that guy, for whatever reason it is, he wants to defeat us, right?
So any kind of influence and that people within that campaign are now having to...
They're getting caught talking to them.
And then they lied about it for some reason.
They didn't want people to know whatever that was about.
And now you have this foreign enemy who is now...
Sidled up with a lot of the people who are now running our government.
A government, by the way, that is hell-bent on tearing a lot of stuff down.
joe rogan
You're right.
But the only reason why it worked at all was because the Democrats were involved in shady shit.
It's not like they made up some stuff.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Do you see what I'm saying?
tom papa
Yes.
She's dirty.
They were dirty.
The DNC was dirty.
But I'll give you that.
joe rogan
The result's not good.
The result's not good.
You know, having Donald Trump win in this fashion and having the Russians interfere and then also having some sort of an influence on him financially, all those things are not good.
But it's a little disingenuous to ignore the fact that Hillary was a terrible candidate.
She was so compromised from so many different angles.
I mean, she didn't support gay marriage until 2013, I think it was.
Not only that, the Clinton Foundation is just a disaster.
unidentified
The whole thing is just filled with scary shit.
tom papa
Yeah, and look, she was definitely disliked by a lot of people from being there for a lot of time doing stuff that made a lot of people very nauseous.
I get all that.
joe rogan
She's not honest.
tom papa
But I don't want to go back and redo the election, but just that...
Just does it concern you that if, let's say, let's be conspiracy theories on this, let's say that the Russians have so much more influence over this president.
He's, by the way, putting his America first, is using Russian steel for that pipeline that's going through the Indians.
If he's that tied to them, And Russia's an enemy of ours.
They want us to fail.
And now they have an administration that wants to tear stuff down.
Could that be a conspiracy theory on that side?
joe rogan
It certainly could.
But here's the problem.
You're saying they, like the Russians, they want to do this, they want to do that.
We're buying their steel.
They don't operate as an individual.
There are a bunch of people that are trapped in this dictatorship with this Russian oligarch.
Yeah, well, it is Putin.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
It's when you are buying things, if you're buying things from Russians, are there individuals over there?
Or is everything Russia, an entity?
And that entity wants us dead, wants us doomed.
Isn't it possible?
tom papa
No, it's not the people.
joe rogan
Well, isn't it possible that their government can evolve, and they can eventually not have that guy in place, that something could take place?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they could also prosper from this age of information?
tom papa
100%.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
People to people, 100%.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
But this guy is doing this thing.
joe rogan
I don't know what he's doing.
tom papa
With our guy.
unidentified
I don't know what he's doing.
tom papa
I'm saying if this conspiracy...
To just take the fantasy of are these guys right?
Because like you're saying...
The WikiLeaks exposed that at the DNC. There's also a lot of dirty stuff we don't even know right now that's going on.
unidentified
For sure.
tom papa
On both sides.
Let's just take this fantasy of, okay, so Putin has really aggressively wanted this administration in.
They wanted a Bannon who wants to tear stuff down.
This is an advantage for us.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
If you can expose that, I think that's a big deal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's also scary.
joe rogan
But here's the problem.
You're making a bunch of stuff up in order because it's a fantasy.
Yeah, but that's...
I get what you're saying.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it.
Of course you could, and it's something that should be considered.
But it's a weird thing when you start making up motives and potential outcomes.
Look, it's not good.
tom papa
That's why they're investigating.
They're trying to find the answers of what this stuff really is.
joe rogan
Well, there's all sorts of shit that's not good.
There's all sorts of shit that's not good about this whole situation.
There's way too much power and influence by one person and that person's cabinet and that person's choices, like what choice they make on the rest of us.
And we're seeing that now.
It's way too much.
tom papa
It's way too much.
joe rogan
And it's more than we've ever seen before.
We've never seen someone come in with a sweeping brush of change and just decide, nope, fuck Obamacare, nope, building that fucking wall, nope, we're running those pipes, nope, Dakota Pipeline, fuck you, we're coming through.
Like, whoa, and it's happening within the first 60 days.
tom papa
Doesn't it seem a lot of it's mean?
joe rogan
Mean?
tom papa
Let's take, you know, I vote on both sides.
Dakota Pipeline seems mean.
unidentified
Seems scary.
tom papa
Dumping waste into the water seems mean.
joe rogan
What is that waste in the water?
Where are they dumping?
tom papa
Coal waste.
joe rogan
Where's that?
tom papa
They made it illegal in West Virginia so that you couldn't dump coal waste.
joe rogan
Now you can dump it again?
tom papa
Now you can dump it again.
Like, there's, like, I want, uh, talk about shutting down, um, PBS. That's scary.
joe rogan
Well, those guys suck, though.
They're boring.
They're always monotone.
I know, they're boring.
tom papa
But this is all mean shit.
Like, why go after the people making cooking shows?
joe rogan
Because those people are attacking him, right?
Is that what it is?
tom papa
No, it's always a Republican thing.
I think it's just to get people mad.
But you know what I mean?
Like, just can't you act out of kindness?
joe rogan
If you enjoyed any part of this program and you'd like to donate, please do.
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We appreciate you.
I always think that those guys just can't wait.
As soon as that fucking show's on, they run home and put a ball gag on and punch themselves in the dick.
They're so tied down.
That's so not how a man thinks or talks.
tom papa
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Thank you for tuning in to PBS. Very interesting.
Fresh Air with Terry Gross is up next.
tom papa
Very interesting.
We're going to talk about...
joe rogan
Who are you?
Who are you, you fuck?
What would you do if a terrorist attack was happening right now?
What would you do if a man came in with his dick in his hand and wanted to fuck your mouth?
tom papa
How would you react?
Well, I mean, there's probably a reason he wants to do that.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
We have to understand that I'm not consenting.
I'm not consenting to you doing this to me.
tom papa
There's probably a very good reason.
His father probably did it to him, and I just don't...
You know what I mean?
It feels like...
Can we come from a place of kindness rather than...
joe rogan
Well, he's about prosperity right now.
He's ramping up the prosperity.
That's what he wants to do.
I think he feels like he can get people to love him again and get the country on track if he creates all these jobs.
That's why he had this big video announcement yesterday.
unidentified
Who'd be great!
joe rogan
Where he was talking about Exxon investing in the Gulf Coast and they're going to get all these jobs and there's going to be like 45,000 jobs and the jobs are going to be paying $100,000 on the average.
So all these great jobs and he's very excited about announcing that.
Most likely.
tom papa
It's all tied to oil.
It's all tied to oil.
joe rogan
That's where the money is and resources, right?
tom papa
In that model, in that old model.
It doesn't have to be that model.
joe rogan
But he wants to get America back on track.
tom papa
Tesla's putting tons of people to work.
Thousands.
Thousands.
unidentified
They're also killing people.
joe rogan
They're fucking driving cars.
They're killing people.
I love how people have brought up, two people have died.
tom papa
Yeah, two.
Who are acting like schmucks, by the way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Who are looking at videos on his iPad.
joe rogan
Dude, autonomous cars are coming, whether you like it or not.
tom papa
It's the best.
joe rogan
Do you do it with yours?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You turn your Tesla on, just start beating off?
unidentified
Yes.
tom papa
I'm hard right now that you just said Tesla.
joe rogan
Do you do it everywhere, or just on the highway, or how do you do it?
tom papa
On the freeway, yeah.
joe rogan
And do you put your hands on the wheel at all?
tom papa
Sometimes, a little bit.
Yeah, I'll keep them loose on it, but sometimes if it's traffic, I don't touch it at all, and I'm just returning emails.
joe rogan
You're returning emails while you're driving!
tom papa
I'm not driving, the car's driving.
joe rogan
That's so nuts, man.
tom papa
Yeah, if you're in traffic, just going, you know, the car takes over.
joe rogan
It takes the exit that it's supposed to take?
tom papa
No, you gotta do that.
You take over when you leave it.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
The next version that comes out the end of this year is gonna do something.
joe rogan
What do you mean by when you leave it?
tom papa
The freeway.
joe rogan
Oh, so it only works on the freeway?
tom papa
No, it works on the side streets, but it doesn't read stop signs or traffic lights.
joe rogan
What kind of piece of shit is this?
tom papa
It hasn't got the update.
It needs the GPS information.
And all this other stuff to work to do surface streets.
Because when it's on the freeway, the car is reading, the car is in front of it, around it.
But doesn't have GPS? And the signs, the signs for how fast you go.
unidentified
Deer crossing.
tom papa
Deer crossing.
Deaf child.
unidentified
Now, Mexicans run across the family.
joe rogan
That's the most depressing fucking thing ever when you're driving from San Diego and you see that beware of immigrant crossing.
It's like a mother holding a child's hand, the father's holding the mother's hand.
Like, oh man.
Let those fucking people come over here.
tom papa
It's the worst.
I was just in Mexico doing a gig and I kept asking people about...
About Trump, they would, you know, they'd ask us about Trump or, you know, the whole Mexican thing.
And a couple of them, especially the last guy, was like, yeah, I don't know, everybody, I don't know, he seems bad, but have you met our president?
joe rogan
Oh, their president's terrible.
tom papa
He's the most corrupt guy.
He doesn't help any of us.
He's awful.
It was like, oh, right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's way worse.
tom papa
Your leader's a shithead, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
All these leaders, all of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, and these are the leaders that are probably the best.
How about that guy in the Philippines?
He's just shooting people.
If you're out there doing drugs, I'm shooting you.
You're shooting drug dealers, killing everybody.
You've got to do what you've got to do.
tom papa
Sorry.
That's how I rule.
joe rogan
That's how I clean the streets up.
Bullets.
I'm tired.
I want to go to bed.
I want to have a sandwich.
tom papa
No, so I hit that Tesla, especially when I drive to school in the morning and drop the kids off.
joe rogan
Don't you think now, I mean, I'm always trying to be this glasses half full guy.
Don't you think that the reaction that people are having to all these new policies is going to invigorate our political system because it's going to inspire people to act and to do something and to make some positive change and that people are going to realize how important it is to get involved and what the consequences are to the environment, to the world, to the future if we let someone come in and just solely concentrate on profits, which is what you're...
Assuming that they're going to do, and they're going to lean towards that, and they're going to lower the Environmental Protection Agency's regulations, and lower the standards for emissions, and more pollution in the fucking coal mine shit and all that.
tom papa
Because it's running it like a business.
joe rogan
People are going to have to react to that.
It's going to swing the other way.
tom papa
There's actually an editorial of the guy who was the head of the EPA during Reagan, and he was warning Pruitt, That Americans have a breaking point.
They do not like it when they think that the environment and their health is in danger.
Because that's our families, that's our children, that's our lives.
And Reagan came in and he was going to do some big sweeping things that were going to be more profitable and give us more jobs.
joe rogan
And the fierce fight back from the Americans I think it's entirely possible that you could deal with eco-terrorism as well, whereas someone could decide that this path is wrong and evil and that the best way to subvert it would be to do something, blow something up or something, you know, have some sort of a reaction where you damage the company or damage the public image or...
I mean, all this is really tricky five-dimensional chess that these people are playing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, especially when you're dealing with foreign entities.
Now, North Korea's testing nuclear or ballistic missiles, rather.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Russia is...
I mean, the whole thing is...
tom papa
Apparently, that's what Obama told Donald Trump when he was coming in, that His greatest concern is North Korea.
joe rogan
Of course.
That guy is a fucking psychopath.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He just killed his half-brother.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He had someone spray him.
tom papa
Poison in an airport.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And the people that were doing it thought it was a prank.
tom papa
Yeah, they were dressed like they were doing a prank.
joe rogan
Didn't they think they were doing a prank?
They didn't realize?
I believe that they didn't even realize that they were doing it.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Maybe I made that up.
tom papa
No, I think you're right.
I think you're right.
No, it's a crazy world, Joe Rogan, but I think you've got to have hope.
And there's lots of good people out there doing good things.
joe rogan
And you can go see Tom Papa live at a stand-up comedy club near you.
Or clubs and colleges, occasionally theaters.
Everywhere.
tom papa
Or listen to my podcast, Come to Papa.
joe rogan
Or watch his new special, which is now going to be out on Hulu.
tom papa
It's coming on Hulu.
When?
Tomorrow?
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
What's it called?
tom papa
And Amazon.
It's called Human Mule.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Like a drug mule?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
What's it about?
tom papa
A father.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Just a dad.
Well, Tom, we gotta do this more often.
I always say this, but I'm glad we did it quick compared to the last one.
tom papa
Yeah, this is good.
unidentified
It's always fun, man.
joe rogan
Always fun talking to you.
tom papa
I always love coming in.
And I love your fans.
Can I say?
Your fans are great.
joe rogan
They're nice people, right?
tom papa
They're such nice people.
unidentified
It's weird.
tom papa
They really are great people.
You know, I've done some very popular radio shows where people are...
Awful.
You know, funny, but awful.
Your people are like, I get more responses of people asking about how to make bread and sending me their recipes and stuff, and just really funny they've seen us perform together or whatever.
They're just, you have a cool crowd.
joe rogan
Well, people really enjoy you too and the kind of perspective that you provided today where you're, you know, leaning towards just being nicer and being kinder and not getting involved in any bullshit and recognizing that that's what makes people happy.
It's just to find a passion, follow it, enjoy yourself, live your life, be nice.
tom papa
This is it.
joe rogan
This is it.
tom papa
We are in prime time.
unidentified
Yes.
tom papa
If you are listening to this show, if you're doing this show, it's not, this is it.
joe rogan
This is it.
tom papa
This is where, this is the good part.
joe rogan
This is it.
tom papa
You're not getting more hair or stronger hips.
joe rogan
It doesn't get better.
tom papa
We're peaking, everybody.
We're peaking.
joe rogan
I'm feeling it.
I'm feeling it.
You're the best, Tom Papa.
tom papa
Mighty Joe.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
Thank you so much.
All right, folks.
We'll see you soon.
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