Nov. 7, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| and we're live Dave Rubin, what a time to be alive. | ||
| Joe, I am so excited to be here because you could have selected anybody. | ||
| I mean, it ends tomorrow. | ||
| It does end tomorrow. | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Unless, uh, maybe Jill Stein wins? | ||
| No, no, I'm talking about the world. | ||
| I mean, it is over. | ||
| I don't mean the election. | ||
| I mean, the whole game is up tomorrow. | ||
| You could have had anybody. | ||
| You're a pretty powerful guy, powerful Joe Rogan. | ||
| Well, I enjoy your company, sir. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that, but think of all the philosophers you could have had, the thinkers, the artists. | ||
| Too much work. | ||
| Instead, you went with me for the last show, so I'm gonna bring it! | ||
| I have notes! | ||
| I busted out the notepad! | ||
| Well, I believe the end of the world is tomorrow, so you're the preview to the end of the world. | ||
| So I feel like you're gonna offer some, well, hopefully, together, we're gonna offer some perspective, and we're gonna get a look at this thing. | ||
| Yeah, well, I already pounded two of these bad boys, so I am ready to... | ||
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unidentified
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That's a lot, dude! | |
| These fucking things have 270 milligrams of caffeine. | ||
| Well, it's in a small can, so I thought it was... | ||
| It seems like, yeah. | ||
| It seems small. | ||
| But if it was that much acid, think about what it would do to you. | ||
| You really have to think about it that way. | ||
| Yeah, I did acid once. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Only one time. | ||
| I did it once last week. | ||
| Yeah, did you really do it last week? | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, it was awesome. | |
| Yeah? | ||
| I've done it three times. | ||
| I only did it this year for the first time, but I've done it three times this year. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you feel like all the doors, the hinges of the brain, they're still going? | ||
| I don't know if they were any good at all before. | ||
| I think I'm gluing them up. | ||
| It's like caulk for my brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I shroom many times, you know, over the years. | ||
| I did acid once, did not like it at all. | ||
| Every time I closed my eyes, I had these three-dimensional triangles flying at me. | ||
| You know when you just can't stop your brain? | ||
| I felt that there was no end to it. | ||
| Shrooms, it's always very natural and nice and pleasant. | ||
| Yeah, that's the concern, right? | ||
| The concern is the potency of acid. | ||
| I heard it described by Terrence McKenna as like molecularly, if you looked at it in scale, it's something the size of an ant that can break down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes. | ||
| That's a bit much for me at this point. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I turned 40 this year. | ||
| I don't need to break down the Empire State Building or any other building at this point. | ||
| Now it's really about keeping the mental faculties I have, adding in a little more occasionally and going from there. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| But you know what I mean? | ||
| You have to function, right? | ||
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unidentified
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Yes. | |
| You have a show, you're doing comedy, all the stuff. | ||
| At some point, the expansion of the mind is like, I still gotta be on Earth, you know? | ||
| If you're gonna do the show, you definitely have to be there. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| You have to be there. | ||
| But, um... | ||
| Duncan and I did a show on acid. | ||
| We did our last podcast. | ||
| Full disclosure, we were on acid during our last podcast. | ||
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unidentified
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Sweet Jesus. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sitting in a room sober with these people. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| Less is expected of me, I think, than you. | ||
| You're expected to be rational. | ||
| But being a stand-up comedian slash cage-fighting commentator, you get a lot of wiggle room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can say some pretty stupid shit. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| People go, ah, it's... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Probably got hit in the head. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, you know, obviously we're going to do election, but there's a couple updates. | ||
| So I haven't been here in about a year, a little more than a year. | ||
| A couple things I want to tell you. | ||
| Yeah, tell me. | ||
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unidentified
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What's going on? | |
| So first off, so I got a house last week, not too far from here. | ||
| Building a home studio. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| That's so awesome. | ||
| My fans are funding it, which is amazing. | ||
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unidentified
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Oh, nice. | |
| So a ton of stuff has happened since last. | ||
| But I told you last time that I would know... | ||
| That I've hit a certain level of success when I'm not sitting on an Ikea couch and did not have Ikea stuff around me everywhere. | ||
| Now, I did bring all the Ikea stuff, but I made one purchase for the new house. | ||
| Only one purchase. | ||
| You got a real couch? | ||
| I got a real couch. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| I got a real couch. | ||
| I mean, I'm talking people delivered it and I didn't have to put it together. | ||
| I didn't even know that that was a thing, that they come put together. | ||
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unidentified
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Do you know that? | |
| Yeah, that IKEA stuff is bullshit. | ||
| If you just charge ten bucks more and put it together, it probably costs more than ten bucks though, right? | ||
| Isn't that the whole thing? | ||
| It costs more than ten, though. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| For them to put it together for you? | ||
| Well, Ikea, do they put it together for you? | ||
| Will they do that? | ||
| They will, but it's going to be more than ten bucks. | ||
| I don't even mind putting it together. | ||
| It was just time for me not to have to put together furniture. | ||
| I put a desk together once, and it's, you know, I was like, I forget if it had an estimate of how much time it took, but it took me four fucking hours. | ||
| Were you on acid? | ||
| Was this an acid situation? | ||
| No, I was totally sober. | ||
| That would be something. | ||
| Screwdriver and shit. | ||
| Ikea assembly on acid. | ||
| I bet you'd do it better. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| You know, like, was it Doc Willis, the guy who pitched a no-hitter on acid? | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You know, he was fucked up all day. | ||
| He was doing acid, and then he got the call and didn't know he was supposed to play that day. | ||
| And it's like, oh, no, they want me to play today? | ||
| And think about it. | ||
| He, like, got his shit together. | ||
| Forget just pitching. | ||
| Just imagine getting your shit together, getting there. | ||
| Just that in and of itself. | ||
| Well, it depends on, I guess... | ||
| Your biological makeup, how it hits you. | ||
| You know, because I know a lot of friends who just can't smoke pot. | ||
| It just doesn't work with them. | ||
| And with me, it works great. | ||
| It's my favorite. | ||
| You like indica or sativa or hybrid? | ||
| I prefer sativa, but if someone's passed around an indica joint, I don't say no. | ||
| See, all my comic friends like sativa. | ||
| I like indica because for me at this point, and I guess this goes back to the doors and the mind thing, like, I don't want to think anymore if I'm smoking. | ||
| I don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything. | ||
| I smoke pot Because it's 11.30 at night, and I'm going to take one puff and watch a Seinfeld that I've seen 3,000 times already, or a Simpsons that I've seen 3,000 times, and that's it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't smoke to all my comic books. | ||
| I have smoke, and I'm like, no. | ||
| So it's a decompressing agent for you. | ||
| Purely. | ||
| Purely, yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, people get real wary when you start talking about pot or acid or even alcohol because there's a lot of people that everyone knows that have kind of fucked their life up doing that. | ||
| But 35,000 people die driving every year. | ||
| It doesn't stop us from driving, you know? | ||
| I mean, obviously, if you're doing acid, most likely you're not going to kill somebody else. | ||
| So it's, you know, the responsibility of driving is even more intense. | ||
| You could jump out a window like Helen Hunt. | ||
| Did you ever see that infomer, that kids thing? | ||
| They showed it at high school. | ||
| They showed it in high schools when I was growing up. | ||
| I think it was Helen Hunt. | ||
| You know which one I'm talking about? | ||
| No. | ||
| That educational video where they showed these high school kids. | ||
| And it's Helen Hunt as like a 15-year-old and she's on acid and she jumps out a window and breaks the window. | ||
| It just kills herself at school. | ||
| That's a fucking old Bill Hicks bit. | ||
| Remember that Bill Hicks bit? | ||
| Young man on acid. | ||
| Thought he could fly. | ||
| Jumps off a building. | ||
| What a tragedy. | ||
| He goes, what a dick. | ||
| He thought he could fly. | ||
| Why didn't he try taking off from the ground first? | ||
| He goes, we lost a moron. | ||
| We need a Hicks. | ||
| Don't we need a Hicks? | ||
| Every day... | ||
| I wake up and I go, man, I wish we had Carlin still, because we still, you know, obviously there's plenty of good comics out there and there's so much, there's such a breadth of stuff to talk about. | ||
| Jamie, I don't need to see Helen Hunt. | ||
| You know how many times that's been said before? | ||
| A lot! | ||
| That's Paul Reiser, it's on his business card, I think. | ||
| He wakes up in the middle of the night, no! | ||
| Okay, it's over. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| What the hell was I talking about? | ||
| Acid, no. | ||
| People dying, no. | ||
| We moved on. | ||
| All the good comics. | ||
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unidentified
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There was something there. | |
| Oh, and Carlin. | ||
| That just... | ||
| Imagine what George Carlin would be going through if he lived right now in the politically correct age we live in. | ||
| If you took any of his old stuff, he would be being attacked by all sides. | ||
| But dare I say, he'd be attacked more by the left these days for the shit that he would be talking about saying about women or about minorities or anything, you know? | ||
| And it's so... | ||
| It's such a shame the way things have turned. | ||
| Well, yeah, he had some mean stuff. | ||
| That I think, like, I remember this one bit that he had that even at the time I was like, whoa. | ||
| It was like anorexia. | ||
| And he's like, dumb, rich cunt doesn't want to eat. | ||
| Fuck her! | ||
| But we need that now. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He wasn't saying the specific girl who may have anorexia that you know. | ||
| Right, but if your daughter died from anorexia and you heard that, you'd be like, whoa, man. | ||
| Yeah, you would. | ||
| You would. | ||
| That would upset you at that moment. | ||
| And then, you know what? | ||
| Life goes on. | ||
| Well, George Carlin... | ||
| There was one issue with Carlin, and that one issue was that he had a plan to do a whole new hour every year. | ||
| And so he would put together this hour, and he didn't work out at comedy clubs either. | ||
| He would just sort of write it, and then go and perform it, and do little tweaks here and there. | ||
| But doing that one hour every year, you don't have enough time to... | ||
| You can't sit around and go, hmm... | ||
| I wonder if this is a good bit. | ||
| Am I committed to this because I believe in it? | ||
| Have I explored all the possibilities and all the ways that this is going to be interpreted? | ||
| Is this the most effective way to convey that idea? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he was also so loved and so awesome that he just wanted to shock the shit out of people. | ||
| That was half of it. | ||
| It was like he was tired of all this talk about anorexia. | ||
| And, you know, maybe if he was alive today and you were talking to him about it, he would change his opinion on that bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I'm sure if we went back in the however many years you've been doing stand-up, there are things that you've said up there. | ||
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unidentified
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Nope. | |
| Nope. | ||
| Sticking to my guns. | ||
| There's probably things you said last week. | ||
| Last night, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Always. | ||
| But we need that idea of people just saying shit and letting it upset people and other people are going to laugh at it. | ||
| We so desperately need it now because it has led, the inability to do that these days has led to everything that's happening in our country right now related to politics and media and everything. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| There's a blowback, right? | ||
| Massive. | ||
| If you go too far left, the alt-right emerges. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| And I think the more loony we get in terms of, like, gender pronouns... | ||
| There's 58 now, by the way. | ||
| 58 gender pronouns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't check the internet this morning. | ||
| I think they only recognized 31 in New York that you could be sued $250,000 for, or fined. | ||
| What if it's fucking fiasco? | ||
| It's wonderful. | ||
| It's wonderful. | ||
| We're going to look back at this and laugh. | ||
| As long as you're not one of the person who gets fined $250,000. | ||
| And I don't think anybody's ever been hit with that yet. | ||
| I think that's more like horseshit. | ||
| But it's not even about the fine as much as what it does to us as people. | ||
| That it puts the idea in your mind. | ||
| Look, if I was walking down the street and I saw a guy and I said, hey, how you doing, man? | ||
| And then I realized it was a woman, I would kind of feel bad. | ||
| But that's life. | ||
| Like, that's life. | ||
| We're trying to, through words and trickery and now legal means, we're trying to dumb everyone down to the point that we can't even think for ourselves. | ||
| If you look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say, dude... | ||
| That's not evil. | ||
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unidentified
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Right. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And not every person that transitions, transitions perfectly and someone might be in the middle of it or whatever. | ||
| Or there might just be a guy who looks like... | ||
| There's guys that look like women and there's women that look like guys. | ||
| You know what's ironic about this? | ||
| It's not really a trans issue. | ||
| Because if you talk to trans people, most women who transition to men want to be called men. | ||
| And most men who transition to women want to be called women. | ||
| They assume gender pronouns. | ||
| Like a guy who becomes a woman wants to use he or wants to use she or her. | ||
| So it's not them. | ||
| It's just nonsense is what it is. | ||
| And it's nonsense that comes out of universities. | ||
| It's this weird Marxism thing that's going on. | ||
| It's this very strange leftist It's so deranged. | ||
| I went to, I know you've had Milo on here, and he's become like this cultural thing. | ||
| It's like he's sort of become something beyond himself at this point. | ||
| Well, it's the Streisand effect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They keep silencing him. | ||
| And when you silence a guy who, first of all, what they silenced him for was so unwarranted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self, She's got a goddamn commercial where she pulls up. | ||
| A Geico commercial, I think it is. | ||
| What is that commercial where she pulls up to someone? | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| But she pulls up to a guy. | ||
| She's like, you want my number? | ||
| And the guy's like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It's like an obvious joke about her being unattractive. | ||
| And she's perpetrating that joke. | ||
| That is what it is. | ||
| I mean, if you do that same joke with, you know, fill in the blank, what's that girl, Sofia Vergara or something like that, the joke doesn't work. | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| She's hot as fuck, and then the guy would be like, oh yeah. | ||
| But when Leslie Jones does it, the reason why that joke works is because they're implying that she's unattractive. | ||
| So all Milo said is something about her being a man or looking like a man or something like that, and that was enough. | ||
| Well, what's particularly interesting about what happened to him is that they claimed, I think, when Twitter finally said a little something about it, that it was because of targeted harassment. | ||
| That Milo had unleashed his followers on her. | ||
| Now, first off... | ||
| You don't control all your followers. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you got into a fight with somebody, if Joe Rogan got into a fight with somebody on Twitter, you can't control what your followers do. | ||
| So that's number one. | ||
| Number two, she had done that before. | ||
| There are instances, people had screen captured things, where she had gotten into fights with trolly type people, not public people, and said, guys, get them. | ||
| So she had actually instigated mobs, but it's okay for all the politically correct reasons, it's okay when she does it. | ||
| Well, not only had she done that, she had said things about white people specifically, like white people. | ||
| Specifically mocking white people or saying things about white people. | ||
| Whereas you can't do that the other way. | ||
| There's also this very bizarre thing that people keep saying, is that black people can't be racist against white people, because racism only works when someone's in a position of power. | ||
| Guess fucking what? | ||
| If you have millions of followers and you're super famous and you say things about any white person, you have a position of power. | ||
| Not only does she have a position of power, but by that fight happening, she got more powerful. | ||
| Her star rose. | ||
| So by damaging free speech, whether you like Milo or not... | ||
| She then elevated her own status. | ||
| I actually, I've never interacted with her. | ||
| I've never even seen Ghostbusters. | ||
| I don't even watch SNL. I don't even know what she's really done or anything about her. | ||
| But when the whole thing was going down, I went to tweet at her to say, come on my show. | ||
| I like Milo, but I'm all about free speech. | ||
| I'd love to have you on. | ||
| She has me blocked. | ||
| She blocked you? | ||
| I don't know, it's like a mass block thing. | ||
| Maybe you block people associated with Milo or something. | ||
| But the point is, I have nothing against her in any way. | ||
| We're just talking about this specific thing, and I was going to invite her on my show, and it's like, well... | ||
| Well, you're a nice guy. | ||
| That's so cowardly. | ||
| It's so foolish. | ||
| And I like Leslie. | ||
| I think she's funny as hell. | ||
| I think she's hilarious. | ||
| I even enjoyed her in Ghostbusters, although Milo is correct. | ||
| Most of that movie was a piece of shit. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| I thought the movie started out really funny, but what he was saying was that it was a ridiculous feminist version of Ghostbusters, where all the men are complete buffoons and failures, and all the women save the day. | ||
| And it just wasn't a good movie. | ||
| It wasn't well designed, and it was kind of a slap in the face to men, and that was his whole commentary on it. | ||
| It was very eloquently written, maybe a little bit bitchy, but that's his whole thing. | ||
| It certainly wasn't targeted harassment. | ||
| It was a review of art. | ||
| Yeah, well look, the point is that even if he had been harassing her and said, guys, get her! | ||
| First off, it's just Twitter. | ||
| But if he did do that, I could understand them saying, we don't want our platform used for that. | ||
| Sure, so that's up to their terms of service. | ||
| So there's obviously a difference between, of course, the First Amendment, which is the government stopping you from speaking, and what a private company can do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ironically though, all these people on the left that were thrilled or had no problem with Milo being banned, they're the same people that wanted to force that baker in Indiana to bake the cake for the gay wedding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're okay with private companies doing things when it's the things that they want them to do, like get rid of a conservative, right? | ||
| But they wanted to force that baker. | ||
| I'm gay married, right? | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| So I wouldn't force that baker to do it. | ||
| Well, you know what's funny? | ||
| Why would I want the government to say you have to do something with your private business? | ||
| No, I'll go to another fucking baker. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And not only that, that wasn't an organic situation. | ||
| They set that up. | ||
| They went specifically and targeted bakers to try to make a case for this. | ||
| And then they went to a Christian baker and finally found one who said no. | ||
| And that was the one they went after. | ||
| You know, I mean, look, I don't agree with that guy not being able to make that cake. | ||
| I feel like you shouldn't go and do business at that guy's place if that's the kind of person he is. | ||
| But what they're doing is they're trying to target that guy. | ||
| But would you want the government to force him to do that? | ||
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unidentified
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No. | |
| I think the market should dictate whether or not someone... | ||
| I mean, I think alerting people is a good thing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But having the government dictate that these people have to make that cake, that's kind of... | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| So that's what's happened to the left, basically. | ||
| The left has gone from liberalism, using logic and thinking and information, basically, to make decisions, to inform your decisions. | ||
| And usually liberals err on the side of the other. | ||
| So in this case, they think they're protecting the gays. | ||
| Right? | ||
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unidentified
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Like, we want gays to get cakes where everyone else gets cakes, so we're going to help the gays. | |
| But what they've done is, all they're doing is expanding state power. | ||
| They're expanding control. | ||
| Let the market decide. | ||
| Sure, use your free speech. | ||
| Protest outside. | ||
| Tweet about it. | ||
| Say, don't go there. | ||
| There's a Baker 2000. Right. | ||
| Two blocks over. | ||
| Go there. | ||
| Especially if you're gay. | ||
| Use your money wisely. | ||
| Support people that support your community. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But that's a thing for everything. | ||
| That's for rude people. | ||
| That's for assholes, for people who are shitty to you, for people who are... | ||
| It's just for people who rip you off. | ||
| I mean, it's kind of along the same lines. | ||
| Let the market decide. | ||
| Let the market decide. | ||
| Of course, if you don't like Joe's show, you don't like Ruben's show, you don't watch. | ||
| Yeah, there's plenty of shows. | ||
| Don't tell people that you don't like it. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| Yeah, and that's quite all right, but don't try to shut us down. | ||
| Don't try to go to YouTube and strike us or whatever other thing there is, but that's what's... | ||
| The left is doing this now, and that's why I talk about the left all the time, because I'm liberal, and I'm watching my guys ban speakers. | ||
| I'm watching my guys de-platform people. | ||
| I'm watching my guys try to close restaurants, and it's like, now you're moralizing the same way You've mocked the Christian right for all these years. | ||
| Yeah, it gets to a point where you wonder if it's going to swing back the other way. | ||
| I've been saying for a while... | ||
| We'll find out tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Isn't that great? | ||
| It's tomorrow? | ||
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unidentified
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God. | |
| I've been saying for a while that I think Caitlyn Jenner created Donald Trump. | ||
| Not really, but created this thing. | ||
| I mean, I think there was a thing, there was a tipping point. | ||
| And for me, it was when they gave her Woman of the Year and Glamour magazine and then ESPN gave her... | ||
| athlete of the year. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| And remember that ridiculous thing that they did where they circled her house with a helicopter and she was hiding behind the curtains and it was all mysterious. | ||
| Like, what in the fuck are you selling? | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| And for people at home that are like in Indiana, they're drinking beer and they like football and they went to watch the ESPYs to see, you know, like who won best quarterback of the year. | ||
| And they're seeing that kind of shit. | ||
| They're like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| We need to make America great again! | ||
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unidentified
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Yes! | |
| You know, I never linked it that specifically, but I think you're totally right. | ||
| Even right now, when I've been watching, you know, NBA season just started, and I love basketball. | ||
| Every time I turn on TNT now, it's Barkley and Kenny Smith and Shaq and Ernie Johnson talking about race. | ||
| They're not talking about basketball. | ||
| They're talking about race. | ||
| They're talking about policing. | ||
| Those are all important issues to talk about. | ||
| But people go to sports... | ||
| For the release. | ||
| They go to sports because they care about the athletes and what's happening on the field and in the boxing match, whatever it is. | ||
| And now everything is becoming politicized. | ||
| So ESPN is giving their athlete of the year to Caitlyn Jenner. | ||
| It makes no freaking sense. | ||
| Or why are the NFL ratings down? | ||
| It's because people are talking about Kaepernick and politics instead of... | ||
| Sports. | ||
| Does that make the ratings go down, really? | ||
| Is the ratings down? | ||
| Well, the ratings are hugely down in the NFL this year, and a lot of people are linking that. | ||
| I don't know it empirically. | ||
| I wouldn't be shocked if there's a lot of people in this country just have zero tolerance. | ||
| I mean, it's almost like separation of church and state. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| They would like their sports to just be sports and about sports. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and I kind of appreciate that in a certain way, because it's like if you were watching a comedy show, and all of a sudden, during that comedy show, they started deeply discussing religion. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, really, like, discussing... | ||
| Deep intricacies of different faith-based cultures. | ||
| You'd be like, what the fuck am I watching? | ||
| This is not comedy. | ||
| Right, do it funny, sure. | ||
| But once you turn that thing, now you're doing something else. | ||
| Right, you're doing a different thing. | ||
| You're not doing sports. | ||
| You're doing race relations. | ||
| But I understand that it's also, they look at it as a platform for our culture, and that's what Kaepernick did. | ||
| He said, look, I have this platform. | ||
| And in some ways, I think what he did kind of worked. | ||
| Because a lot of kids in high school now are doing that. | ||
| They're taking knees in the national, you know, when they do the national anthem. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| But it's also like the black, like when people had the black fist at the Olympics. | ||
| Who were those dudes that did that in the 1960s? | ||
| I think it was 71 maybe. | ||
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Was it 71? | |
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| 72. Whatever that was. | ||
| I mean, that got people talking. | ||
| This gets people talking too. | ||
| And maybe sometimes you need to kind of inject some sort of something to think about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| During sporting events. | ||
| I'm not telling them not to do it. | ||
| Of course, Kaepernick wants to do that. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| These guys, if Barkley and all of them want to, if their TNT bosses are okay with it, and they go, well, you know, you can do that instead of talking about how many points Durant had, then so be it. | ||
| But I'm just saying what I think most people want from sports is an escape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I can tell you for sure. | ||
| In the two or three weeks that the NBA season's been gone, every time I flip by TNT and they're doing that, I change it. | ||
| I love those guys. | ||
| I think that show, in many ways, is an incredible social experiment, not just a sports experiment. | ||
| I don't know what the show is. | ||
| You know, it's the after show on TNT. I don't watch basketball. | ||
| So it's Barkley, who's obviously completely outspoken and incredible, and Kenny Smith, who also is, and Shaq, and Ernie Johnson's the token white guy in the equation. | ||
| I love token white guys. | ||
| But they're all really great in their rhythm with each other. | ||
| For four guys to sit there and do it, they've been doing it for probably 15 years. | ||
| Shaq's newer to it. | ||
| But anyway... | ||
| I'd go to ESPN or TNT for sports, not for that. | ||
| Right, and there's plenty to talk about in sports. | ||
| There's all these players, all these plays, all these games, so much is riding on each event. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm not begrudging them any of the legitimate things that you're talking about. | ||
| Of course, the athletes can do whatever they want to express themselves in any way, but once that starts becoming more of what you're talking about than the sports, that's why people start tuning out. | ||
| Well, again, the market's deciding, right? | ||
| And if their ratings go down because of this, I guess maybe someone in the head office will go, hey guys, what the fuck? | ||
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Right. | |
| And that's how it should be. | ||
| I mean, that's absolutely how it should be. | ||
| Yeah, it's a fascinating time. | ||
| And I think this is a side effect of everyone having a voice. | ||
| Because we all have voices now. | ||
| You know, I mean, this is the new world we live in. | ||
| The new world we live in is anyone can broadcast. | ||
| Anyone can get on Periscope and just start talking. | ||
| Don't tell everybody. | ||
| Anyone can! | ||
| Anyone can get on Twitter and just make a post about something. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I've been telling my people I'm the only one that can do it. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Do you remember that woman? | ||
| What was her name again? | ||
| The woman who wrote the post about AIDS on Twitter. | ||
| I'm going to Africa. | ||
| I hope I don't get AIDS. LOL. Just kidding. | ||
| I'm white. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She was just a nobody PR person. | ||
| Nobody knew who she was before that. | ||
| I can't remember her name. | ||
| Justine Sacco, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that sort of event, it's like that's the beginning. | ||
| It's the first pop of the kernel when you start making popcorn and you hear that first pop... | ||
| pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop we're culturally about to fucking jiffy pop the fuck out of this thing That's what's happening. | ||
| Yeah, you're so- It's all going nuts. | ||
| You know, I remember when that Sacco thing happened, and so basically she said that joke, she gets on a plane, she disappears for, what, eight, ten hours or something? | ||
| And then she gets up late. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Her life is destroyed. | ||
| She has to leave her job. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| She's publicly humiliated. | ||
| I remember. | ||
| And look, I tweet all the time. | ||
| I love Twitter and I love the way you can communicate through it. | ||
| But I remember I didn't tweet anything about it intentionally because I was like, wait a minute. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Because I was like, wait, wait, wait, let me get this straight. | ||
| A woman who I've never heard of before, who's not a public person per se, tweeted a bad joke, basically. | ||
| A really tasteless, stupid thought. | ||
| Her life is going to be destroyed. | ||
| Why would I add to that? | ||
| So I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like, you know, and I do that now and again with certain news things where I'm like, this one I'm gonna sit out because this gang mentality You didn't know who that was before. | ||
| Nobody knew who this woman was before. | ||
| But so one random person said something that I didn't like? | ||
| We must destroy her. | ||
| So you're right. | ||
| That's the first pop. | ||
| And now these pops are happening all over the place. | ||
| Which, by the way, is why I think what Peter Thiel did with Hogan and Gawker is fucking phenomenal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| Phenomenal. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because there's some violent and aggressive invasion of privacy that's going on with companies that are trying to make a lot of money by doing that. | ||
| And that's one of the things that a lot of people thought about Gawker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Although I did read an incredible piece on Gawker from May, I hate to say this, about Donald Trump's hair, where they're investigating whether or not Donald Trump's hair is a very expensive weave. | ||
| I read it and they had like a diagram of showing how it like veers around and like that there's an office in Trump Tower. | ||
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Yes! | |
| That does that. | ||
| That it's one floor below his and the office doesn't have a website anymore and they've been doing this procedure for like a long time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's like they essentially, they take a hair and then they find whatever hairs you have and they sort of tie this hair onto your hair. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like one hair at a time. | ||
| It's like some crazy eight-hour procedure. | ||
| And the speculation is that the entire business revolves around maintaining his hair in that manner now. | ||
| As someone who... | ||
| Is bald? | ||
| Is bald. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I was going to try to do something phallically challenged or... | ||
| I've had hair transplants. | ||
| I went the full route. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| You did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Years ago. | ||
| I have a big smile scar in the back of my head from... | ||
| You let them chop out a piece of the back of your head and they tried to put it up front. | ||
| Yeah, the way I describe it is like they take some people that are really healthy and they move them into a neighborhood where everyone's dying. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I was, you know, when I did it, I was in my late 20s and I was just on television and I was panicking because my hair was falling out. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, my career is just getting started and I'm going to lose it all because I was thinking very probably correctly that a lot of my success was predicated on my appearance. | ||
| And I was like, if this goes, if I go bald, I'm fucked. | ||
| No one had shaved heads back then in the 90s either. | ||
| If they did, it was very rare. | ||
| And so I went through all this. | ||
| But it helped. | ||
| It definitely gave me, like, thicker hair. | ||
| But it was too much work. | ||
| And eventually, I realized, like, it's so pointless. | ||
| And then when I shaved my head, it was, like, the most freeing feeling. | ||
| I was like, I like it better like this. | ||
| If I had hair right now, I'd fucking shave it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm holding ground. | ||
| You look great. | ||
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Your hair looks wonderful. | |
| Don't go hard on your hair. | ||
| But I used to have hair over here, you know, that's what happens as you age. | ||
| But I know for sure, there were times in my life when I was very stressed, and I'm not kidding you, I could feel it. | ||
| Could you feel it when you were losing hair? | ||
| Could you feel it at times? | ||
| Coming out? | ||
| No, I just noticed. | ||
| Almost like a, not literally like each individual thing, but almost like a, I could feel my tension there, basically. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Maybe that was just psychological. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Maybe your hair is completely connected to your emotions. | ||
| This is why I don't smoke pot anymore, because that's what I would think about. | ||
| I'd smoke pot and go, wait a minute, what's going on up there? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, that's the rub on the pot, right? | ||
| Whatever's fucking with you. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's why I like the sativa, the indica. | ||
| I like pot for that reason, though. | ||
| I want to know what's fucking with me. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to know. | ||
| It's like that old joke that Kinison used to have about, they say every man's got a homosexual fantasy. | ||
| He goes... | ||
| Well, I'm sitting around the other day going through my fantasies because if there's one in there, I want to know! | ||
| I want to know about it! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you find yours? | ||
| I didn't have one. | ||
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I looked. | |
| It's not in there. | ||
| I'm so sorry for your people. | ||
| So when you see, so as someone that has shaved that feels good about it, as you said, it's like a burden off you. | ||
| I tell people all the time if the dudes are struggling, I'm like, just shave your fucking head. | ||
| So then doesn't Trump seem doubly ridiculous to you in a certain way? | ||
| Well, he's more than doubly ridiculous. | ||
| He's ridiculous in a million different ways. | ||
| But just on the hair front, really. | ||
| I mean, that's cliche, so we don't have to spend too much time talking about it. | ||
| But doesn't that, like as someone who shaved your head, you feel good about it, that he does this thing, this whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| Concoction. | ||
| He always says, it's my hair, it's my hair, which is sort of a cop-out, because yeah, they're probably doing something. | ||
| If you buy hair, it's still your hair. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But doesn't it seem doubly ridiculous then to someone like you, like, knowing that you shaved and you feel good and life goes on? | ||
| But I get it from a psychological standpoint. | ||
| I get it also as a person who likes to have control of their life. | ||
| You feel like that's one thing that really freaks people out about their hair. | ||
| Features and appearance is very bizarre, right? | ||
| Because I know this woman who recently got a nose job, and she was beautiful, and she decided that she didn't like her nose, and she got a little bit trimmed off. | ||
| It's kind of crazy, right? | ||
| But there's a weird thing where people decide that if my nose was one eighth of a millimeter smaller, I would feel better about myself. | ||
| I would feel better about my appearance. | ||
| But I've met people that have big noses. | ||
| No, she doesn't look any better. | ||
| She looked great before. | ||
| She looks great now. | ||
| It's just a weird thing that people do. | ||
| They fixate. | ||
| But what I was going to get at is, it's really strange what we decide looks good. | ||
| And that it's cultural in a lot of ways. | ||
| How about those, I think it's Suri women who decide they put those giant plates in their lips. | ||
| And the bigger the plate, the more cattle they're worth when they get married. | ||
| There's like fucking really bizarre cultures. | ||
| And it's an example of how human beings... | ||
| When isolated, for whatever reason, I mean, there's scarification rituals that many cultures go through where they'll cut pieces out of their skin to look like crocodiles. | ||
| Have you ever seen that, where they do their backs and men do it? | ||
| Yeah, they cut these chunks out of their back, and then they develop these keloid scars that pop up. | ||
| See if you can find that, Jamie. | ||
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Man. | |
| Men with crocodile scarring. | ||
| But there's so many different scarification rituals. | ||
| And look at me. | ||
| I'm covered in tattoos. | ||
| There's like weird things that people do to their body and weird appearances that people choose to enjoy or not enjoy. | ||
| And it just gets very bizarre. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is hair? | ||
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Like, why is hair? | |
| Here it is. | ||
| See that guy's back? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, I have seen that. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they just cover their entire back. | ||
| It makes it look like a crocodile skin. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, Joy Behar used to say a phrase on The View, dare I quote The View, but Joy Behar used to say something that I always thought was great and it was really simple. | ||
| She used to say, it's an inside job. | ||
| That everything really is just an inside job. | ||
| So if you're walking around, your friend's walking around, and she thinks that this little, you know, beautiful woman, but she thinks this little millimeter, it bothers her for some reason. | ||
| It's an inside job. | ||
| Now, she may still have that same insecurity after, or maybe she exercised it. | ||
| You know, maybe it actually did do what it was supposed to do, but most of us are walking around. | ||
| The shit that we're walking around with is just an inside job, and it's your job as a human To exercise that stuff. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| I mean, I try to do it every day. | ||
| That's what trying to get better is all about. | ||
| And we fail at it constantly. | ||
| I fail every day. | ||
| But there's also, like, a certain amount of you that should be upset with the way you look so that you force yourself to go to the gym. | ||
| And it keeps you healthy. | ||
| I just moved out of West Hollywood. | ||
| We talked about this last time I was here. | ||
| You know, where every guy... | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| But they're disgusting. | ||
| But they're actually disgusting for the most part. | ||
| How so? | ||
| Because they're just fucking each other in the street like mad dogs? | ||
| Because you don't want to go to the steam room. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I just lived in West Hollywood for three years. | ||
| I went to the locker room in that gym, 24 Hour Fitness, once. | ||
| Dude, 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood is the one I always talk about. | ||
| My friend used to be the manager there. | ||
| I used to go to the 24-hour fitness in Woodland Hills, and there was a guy that worked there that was my friend who was a manager. | ||
| And they sent him over. | ||
| He was at another 24-hour fitness, but he was like a really good, well-organized guy, well-liked. | ||
| And they sent him to West Hollywood to clean up. | ||
| And he said he got there, and dudes were just going at it in the sauna, and they would have to mop it down. | ||
| He said it was insane. | ||
| He said it was basically just a gay hookup spot. | ||
| The whole place, frankly, is disgusting. | ||
| But beyond just like that, just the sex or whatever, this idea that you have to look perfect, there's never enough. | ||
| And that's why, for me, it's like, that's why gay marriage was so important. | ||
| Not because of Whether you want to get married or not is irrelevant. | ||
| But the idea that all these people that could never get married, they had to stay in the rat race forever. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| If you always felt like you had to stay in the rat race. | ||
| Because the same equality of being in a relationship that was sanctioned by the state, as silly as that may all be at some level. | ||
| But the idea that you just had to stay in this race forever. | ||
| And then one day you're 50... | ||
| And you're trying to look like you're 20 because you're still in that race because you never found someone, whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever, that you can start maturing into some other thing with. | ||
| And that's why marriage equality was important to me. | ||
| Not whether someone actually gets married or not. | ||
| Milo and I have great debates on this. | ||
| But you've got to get out. | ||
| Because there's nothing sadder than those people that never stopped. | ||
| Well, sad to you on the outside, but if those people are on antidepressants and cocaine, they might be having a goddamn great time. | ||
| Believe me, they're happier than me. | ||
| They've got cash, expendable income. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They got hair plugs, and they're tanned beyond imagination. | ||
| They look good. | ||
| I'm not saying they don't look good. | ||
| But actually, they don't look that good. | ||
| Because their muscles are too big. | ||
| The shirts are too tight. | ||
| It's like, settle down, everybody. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. | ||
| You know, I used to work out at Gold's Gym on Cole, which is, you know where that is in West Hollywood? | ||
| It's like right down the street from Sunset and Gower Studios. | ||
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| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We used to do news radio at Sunset and Gower. | ||
| And so there was a Gold's Gym down the street. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, well, I'll just make a membership there. | ||
| That way over at lunch, I could just shoot over, get a workout in real quick and get by. | ||
| Because I had just gotten used to, like, set life. | ||
| Like, life on the set on a new sitcom. | ||
| You're working... | ||
| At a minimum, if the sitcom's not going well, like, news radio wasn't really going well in terms of, like, we're trying to find its legs in the early days, and we would work 12, 14 hours a day, and it was really hard to do stand-up at night, and it was really hard to work out. | ||
| I was like, goddamn, man. | ||
| And same with, like, my hair. | ||
| I was like, shit, I gotta stay in shape. | ||
| You know, like, there was a lot of scenes on news radio where I had to take my shirt off. | ||
| That was, like, kind of a part of who I was. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't want them to replace me. | ||
| I better fucking keep going to the gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And plus I'm vain. | ||
| So anyway, I went over to this Gold's Gym, and I didn't know that that was exactly like the 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood. | ||
| It was just a gay disco. | ||
| I used to feel like a tasty little morsel in a big homo stew. | ||
| I would walk in there, like a wounded antelope, trailing up to the waterhole, and there was all these dudes with like scrunchy socks, like from fucking Olivia Newton-John, Let's Get Physical, and they would have Timberlands on and cut off jeans. | ||
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Yeah, these people... | |
| What are you wearing? | ||
| Animals. | ||
| Just fucking big, yoked up, steroided up dudes, just gayer than the day is long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was interesting, because it made me feel like what it must feel like to be a woman who's not interested in getting hit on, who goes to the gym. | ||
| Yeah, well, when I first moved to West Hollywood, I first was intimidated by it because I was like, you know, I'm at this gym with all these, like, huge, muscly whatever. | ||
| And then as time went on, I started enjoying it because I was like, this is actually ridiculous. | ||
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It's a comedy. | |
| Yeah, it really is a comedy. | ||
| So if you take it just at that, which that's the level you were taking it at, you'd walk in there and go, look at this idiot in timber. | ||
| Who worked out in Timberlands? | ||
| But you're not kidding. | ||
| They actually do. | ||
| With scrunchy socks. | ||
| It's like, what are you, are you building a log cabin or working out? | ||
| They're sending, rather, a very clear message. | ||
| They're looking for some dick. | ||
| This is how you get it. | ||
| With Timberland? | ||
| You're going to throw that flag up. | ||
| Timberland? | ||
| The Daisy Dukes are important. | ||
| There's no subtlety in Daisy Dukes. | ||
| No, there isn't. | ||
| If you've got Daisy Dukes on, whether you're a guy or a girl, you're looking for dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the universal flag of I'm looking for dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've got to get some new shorts. | ||
| There's something about the Daisy Dukes, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when guys started to adopt them, it's like, whoa, alright, buddy. | ||
| But that all goes to, like, nobody cares. | ||
| Like, all of this stuff about, when we talk about gay marriage or any of this stuff, it's like, enough already. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It exists. | ||
| I should say one thing. | ||
| I support you doing whatever the fuck you want to do. | ||
| If you want to wear Daisy Dukes and fuck a bunch of dudes, who cares? | ||
| Go have fun. | ||
| This is a short experience. | ||
| I'm 49 years old, so I'm almost 50, which is, if everything goes great, I'm halfway dead. | ||
| And it's probably not going to go that great. | ||
| All the acid and pot and all that jazz. | ||
| Have a little faith in some of the robotics that are coming and some of the gene stuff. | ||
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I do. | |
| I do. | ||
| But I mean, realistically, I don't want to plan on that. | ||
| But you got some dough, so you're on the good side of it. | ||
| I'm on the good side of it. | ||
| But there's also issues like fucking asteroids, super volcanoes. | ||
| Zombie invasion, alien attack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who knows what the fuck's going to go down in the next couple of decades. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My point is, this is a short ride. | ||
| It's not that long. | ||
| It seems like it's a long time when you're young, because when you're 22, you look at 80, you're like, God, that's so far away. | ||
| But when you're 50 and you look at 80, you're like, yo, that's around the corner. | ||
| A year is not that long. | ||
| It just seems long when you've only gone through 20 of them in your whole life. | ||
| You're like, wow, it's so long. | ||
| I can't wait until I'm 21. And then all of a sudden, you look back and you go, oh, this thing happened in the blink of an eye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My, from 30 to 40, which I turned this year, went so fast. | ||
| I mean, I remember my 30th birthday, and I remember thinking, wow, now I'm not a kid anymore. | ||
| Because you can push it into your 20s, right? | ||
| You can get through your 20s and still think you're somehow not an adult, maybe. | ||
| But 30, then you go, well, shit. | ||
| And now it's like, wow, I just turned 40. And it's like... | ||
| Now it's like, this is real. | ||
| This is really real. | ||
| You're in it. | ||
| But I think the key is to not even concentrate on that. | ||
| To be aware of it, to recognize it, to address it. | ||
| But just concentrate on, and this is such a fucking cliche statement, but I try to say it as much as possible. | ||
| Living in the moment. | ||
| Just being here in the moment. | ||
| Taking care of your biology, you know, respect your meat vehicle, take care of that thing, but try to enjoy this thing and live in the moment. | ||
| And the more you don't live in the moment, the more you get caught up in bullshit, the more it gets away from you. | ||
| And then anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity. | ||
| And that kind of goes back to Trump with his fucking wacky hair. | ||
| Like you're not living in the moment if you're a 70 year old guy and you're spraying your hair down with a fucking gallon of Aquanet before you go out and everybody knows what you're doing. | ||
| Everybody knows what you're doing. | ||
| That's the piece. | ||
| That's the piece. | ||
| It's like everyone knows something. | ||
| Shave that fucking head. | ||
| You're worth 18 billion dollars, whatever the hell he's... | ||
| Maybe he's not really worth that much, right? | ||
| We have no freaking clue. | ||
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Just... | |
| I'd like to do it with him. | ||
| Come on, dude. | ||
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I'll do it. | |
| Imagine if he did that today. | ||
| Imagine if he did it today, one day before the election. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He'd win in a landslide. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There would be such positive will towards him. | ||
| Bald guys would go, yes! | ||
| He's one of us! | ||
| Larry David would endorse him. | ||
| I mean, it would be huge. | ||
| Well, I'm curious as to the backlash against Trump. | ||
| Not the current backlash against Trump, but when it's going to come from other people. | ||
| Because people, whenever someone is perceived to be a bully, whether he is or not, you can make your own choice, your own decision about that. | ||
| But I think he is. | ||
| And a lot of people think he is. | ||
| And I think that's also probably one of the reasons why he's been so successful is because he's so ruthlessly competitive and he thinks of himself so highly. | ||
| And those sort of traits, like narcissistic traits, are oftentimes very prevalent in people that are successful in business. | ||
| Like really successful like he is. | ||
| When he puts his name on everything and he's branded everything and everything's Trump this and Trump that. | ||
| He has no notion whatsoever of staying low-key. | ||
| Well, when you fight against, like, he's really mad at Alec Baldwin and SNL for doing what I think is hilarious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And very, it's really well done. | ||
| Like, that thing that they do, grab him by the pussy. | ||
| You know, he does that, Alec Baldwin's best work, I think, since fucking... | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Well, what was the one? | ||
| Glen Ross. | ||
| Probably his best work since the coffee is foreclosers line has been this shit. | ||
| I mean, it's funny. | ||
| And he gets angry. | ||
| Like, Jon Stewart did a bit. | ||
| He was doing this stand-up for veterans for some sort of a benefit. | ||
| And he did this bit where he started reading off these Twitter exchanges between him and Donald Trump. | ||
| That Donald Trump just started tweeting at him. | ||
| In the middle of the night. | ||
| A tweet from 1.30 in the morning. | ||
| Have you seen this? | ||
| I mean, I probably have seen some of them. | ||
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It's brand new. | |
| It's brand new. | ||
| This stand-up bit. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So, no, I haven't seen it yet. | ||
| Let's pull it up, Jamie, because I think Jon Stewart... | ||
| I think we could actually play this on... | ||
| I'm friends with Jon Stewart. | ||
| I'm sure he'd let us play it. | ||
| Because I think he'd also agree that this is kind of important. | ||
| Like, it just shows you, it's not whether or not Donald Trump's conservative approach and make America great again and not letting in terrorists and all that stuff. | ||
| All the things you may or may not agree with. | ||
| We're just talking about from a psychological standpoint, from looking at him as a human being. | ||
| Like, there's something off here. | ||
| There's something incorrect about his thinking. | ||
| Well, that's, you're hitting a lot of the stuff, so we can do this. | ||
| Let's watch this, because it's pretty fucking funny. | ||
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Let's find out somebody was tweeting weird shit about me. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So on April 24th, 2013, at 11am, someone comes into my office and says, Donald Trump just tweeted, I promise you, I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz. | ||
| I mean Jon Stewart, who by the way, is totally overrated. | ||
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Now I'm gonna say something to you. | |
| This is real. | ||
| and I don't necessarily disagree with it. | ||
| So, so I said, as you might say to yourself, what the fuck is that about? - No. | ||
| So, we're not quite sure. | ||
| We can't quite figure it out. | ||
| So, A couple of days later, he tweets, as I've said many times before, Jon Stewart is highly overrated. | ||
| Then... | ||
| I swear this is true. | ||
| He tweets again, if Jon Stewart is so above it all and legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibowitz? | ||
| He should be proud of his heritage. | ||
| Yeah, that guy wants to be president. | ||
| Okay, hold on, let me keep going. | ||
| Then he tweeted, John Stewie is a total phony. | ||
| He should cherish his past, not run from it. | ||
| So I start to think to myself like, "Oh, I think this guy is trying to let people know I'm a Jew." And I think to myself like, "Doesn't my face do that?" Honestly, like, where have you seen this face other than a poster for Yentl? | ||
| In what world are people like, Stuart, that's a Scottish name, but there's something about that fella that looks a little schmeary. | ||
| It would be funny if it wasn't so toxically fucking crude and horrible, but... | ||
| So I decided to tweet back at him. | ||
| Many people don't know this, but Donald Trump's real name is Fuckface Von Clownstegg. | ||
| I wish you would embrace the Von Clownstegg heritage. | ||
| So neat. | ||
| You remember, by the way, Lincoln used to get into this shit all the time. | ||
| I swear to God, this is true. | ||
| The man who will more than likely, given the FBI's preference, be our next president. | ||
| Then tweeted, Amazing how the haters and losers keep tweeting the name Fuckface Vaughn Clanstick. | ||
| Like they are so original and like no one else is doing. | ||
| What happened is it turned out a lot of people on Twitter picked up on the name Fuckface Vaughn Clanstick and started tweeting at it. | ||
| Then he tweets, what's funny about the name Fuckface Vonnervstick? | ||
| It was not coined by John Lebowitz. | ||
| he stole it from a moron onto it. | ||
| So I took it back. | ||
| We seem to have hit a fuckface von nerve stick. | ||
| Silence. | ||
| Silence. | ||
| Radio silence. | ||
| Four days later, I shit you not, perhaps the next president of the greatest country in the world at 1.30 in the morning tweeted, Little Jon Stewart is a pussy. | ||
| And would be hopeless in a debate with me. | ||
| Oh, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Oh, ridiculous. | ||
| Vote wisely this November. | ||
| Well, that line at the end really says it all right there. | ||
| Vote wisely this November because this is where we're at now. | ||
| And Jon Stewart is a pussy. | ||
| That speaks volumes, too. | ||
| Like, who fucking tweets something like that? | ||
| What 70-year-old tweets something like that who's running for president? | ||
| Joe, I'm going to do something that's very difficult right now. | ||
| I'm going to try to defend Donald Trump for a second on this, which is he is using the system against itself. | ||
| So he's using the trolling tactics. | ||
| Ultimately, yes, that's all insane. | ||
| That's all completely, utterly insane. | ||
| Strange, like, anti-Semitic dog whistling, although it's as if Jon Stewart's hiding the fact that he's Jewish. | ||
| He talks about being Jewish every day. | ||
| There's so much bizarre lunacy in there in the comments, but... | ||
| My best defense of him is not that he... | ||
| Look, the guy's obviously a narcissist. | ||
| He obviously has some sort of personality disorder and all kinds of other shit. | ||
| And shady business practices and we don't know the taxes and all that stuff. | ||
| The defense I can give of him is that he's using the system against itself. | ||
| So all of this corrupt media bullshit, all of this political correctness, all of the outrage culture, all the stuff we've been talking about... | ||
| He purposely does it just to keep his name out there. | ||
| So these idiots, the lapdog media just keeps giving him free attention. | ||
| And then by giving him free attention, he doesn't have to spend the money that all the other candidates do. | ||
| Hillary's outspending him. | ||
| I don't know what the numbers are, but I bet you do something like 20 to 1. And it's like he's just using it. | ||
| So does he believe any of this stuff he's saying? | ||
| And is that morally wrong and ethically gross? | ||
| Sure, but he's just using the system and I think you know when people are saying Oh, you know if it had only been Ruby, you know a lot of Democrats if it only been Rubio or Romney or Jeff Bush it would have been so much better All the shit whether they're calling him anti-women or anti-gay or anti-emir They would have been saying it about them too because they did it I mean remember what they were saying about Romney four years ago. | ||
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He had binders of women He hates women he hates him like I would probably vote for Romney Well, Romney did say binders of women, right? | |
| Sure, but- But it was just, they took it out of context. | ||
| It was a talking point. | ||
| I mean, that's what politics is all about. | ||
| But what's important to know, first of all, I agree with you, and I think his use of really ridiculous statements and stuff is brilliant because he does force the media to report on some of the things he says. | ||
| But that was 2013. He wasn't running for president then. | ||
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Right. | |
| No, so he has always used it for his own purposes, just to keep his own celebrity out there, right? | ||
| So everything he's done from any point that I can remember him from in the 80s to forward has been to further his own brand, his own empire, his own money, all of that stuff. | ||
| And now he's just... | ||
| He's doing exactly what the media has demanded in a weird way. | ||
| Yeah, you know like the media doesn't even wait for us to get outraged anymore. | ||
| They they're sitting there all of these people at all of these you know, Daily Beast all these sites that somehow are all considered legit and nothing personally against Daily Beast I'm just picking one but like they're literally just waiting for him to tweet so that they can write the article about the outrage that the tweet caused they They don't even wait for us to be outraged. | ||
| They just start. | ||
| So it's like he's just feeding them. | ||
| He's feeding the monster knowing it keeps getting more clicks. | ||
| The more clicks and views he gets, the more they'll want to talk about him, the more money it makes the networks. | ||
| It's like he really is just playing the game, really. | ||
| Well, he's playing the game brilliantly. | ||
| I mean, he's a great heel. | ||
| He does a great job at it. | ||
| Yeah, look, he loves wrestling. | ||
| I mean, he used to do stuff with the WWF, WWE. Because he gets that. | ||
| And that's what people are missing here. | ||
| So we can talk all about all the policies and whether he actually has a personality disorder and all that. | ||
| But in terms of the tactics... | ||
| He's just doing it. | ||
| You know, NBC, they invited me to go on Celebrity Apprentice back when we did the second version of Fear Factor, which I guess was like 2011 or 12 or something like that. | ||
| I forget what year it was. | ||
| And I should have done it. | ||
| I didn't want to do it because I would have had to move to New York for like three months. | ||
| But my family was down when they were like, let's do it. | ||
| And I was like, all right, maybe fuck that. | ||
| I kind of want to do that. | ||
| I'm like, I don't like shows. | ||
| Maybe if it was a show that I watched and enjoyed, but I never watched it. | ||
| But I wish I did now, because I would love to have some insight. | ||
| I'd love to be around that guy and pick his brain. | ||
| Because Jeff Ross was around him when they roasted him for Comedy Central, and he said the guy was very reasonable. | ||
| This is when they roasted him. | ||
| He signed up for the roast. | ||
| And Jeff had a conversation with him. | ||
| He's like, you know, when they turn to you and they're saying jokes about you, you should laugh. | ||
| Because it looks bad if you're just sitting there. | ||
| You're upset. | ||
| It'll make you look better if you laugh. | ||
| He's like, you're right. | ||
| He seemed very reasonable. | ||
| I think there's something about he's very concerned with perception, hence the hair. | ||
| He's very concerned with control. | ||
| He's very concerned with all these different things. | ||
| So in a lot of ways, this is sort of a psychological profile. | ||
| As much as it is a presidential race. | ||
| It's like we're watching two different people that are extremely flawed. | ||
| Like, she is not honest. | ||
| Hillary Clinton is a very, very dishonest person. | ||
| There's an incredible amount of data to point that she is incredibly dishonest. | ||
| Whether it's dishonest about the Clinton Foundation, dishonest about the emails, dishonest completely about Benghazi. | ||
| Do you remember when they were trying to say Benghazi was all in response to a YouTube video? | ||
| Yeah, which she knew it wasn't. | ||
| There are emails that prove it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And it's very, very disturbing when you consider the fact that it doesn't disqualify you from running the government. | ||
| If you're going to have someone who represents the people of, as Jon Stewart said, and I agree, the greatest country in the world, you should have someone who's honest. | ||
| And look, even Barack Obama's turned out through these WikiLeaks. | ||
| Releases that he lied about not knowing that Hillary Clinton had that email server. | ||
| He had commented on it, and he had emailed her on it. | ||
| So that's not true. | ||
| So the whole thing is very, very sorted in many, many, many ways. | ||
| And Gary Johnson keeps fucking up. | ||
| I've had him on the podcast before, and I enjoyed him. | ||
| I like talking to him, but how do you not know what Aleppo is? | ||
| I didn't know where Aleppo is, by the way, but I knew what was going on in Syria, but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed. | ||
| Sure, and of course, look, the media is disingenuous when they find that Aleppo moment with Gary Johnson, and suddenly that's the lead story all over the place, or for 24 hours it's all over Twitter, because it's like, you guys ignored everything he says, so now he's screwed up once, and now that's the way you discredit him. | ||
| So... | ||
| I've had Gary Johnson on my show, so I chatted with him. | ||
| He was going on Larry King when I was over at Oro, and we had about a half hour before we went on air in the green room. | ||
| The guy, he's a perfectly decent, lovely human being. | ||
| He's not dumb. | ||
| He's not dumb. | ||
| He is a nice guy. | ||
| I would love to smoke pot with him and go skiing, but like... | ||
| But that said, in August, I did a video on my channel where I said, I will support this guy to get to 15% to get him in the debate. | ||
| Because whether you like him or not, we desperately need another voice. | ||
| Talk about limited government. | ||
| Talk about why taxes should be low or whatever it is. | ||
| Now, I failed at that, obviously. | ||
| I tried. | ||
| But from that point, from about mid-August to the debate... | ||
| He had about 10 horrific moments. | ||
| I actually think, as much as I like him personally, he's done the Libertarians, and in a certain way the country, a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this. | ||
| So many people would have been excited to have heard an actual... | ||
| Imagine if there was a Libertarian right now. | ||
| Obviously he's not gonna win. | ||
| Like a Ross Perot type character? | ||
| A Ross Perot type, or just someone who had a certain command of the issues, because Gary, he's good, and all the reasons that we like him, but he's kind of goofy and silly, and, you know, he stammers a lot, and he speaks in a funny way, and his body language is kind of, you know, slippery, or I don't know. | ||
| But the point is... | ||
| This was the year, if we're ever going to have a third party, a third choice, something like that, this was the year where it could have made a real dent the way Ross Perot did. | ||
| And Gary could have, it should have been the libertarian candidate more than Jill Stein, I think. | ||
| But Gary just, at every opportunity to show that he knows what he's doing, can speak clearly about the issues... | ||
| He failed. | ||
| You know, he's for having the government force the Indiana baker to bake the cake. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| He's a libertarian. | ||
| He's for the government forcing them to bake that cake? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he isn't even a great... | ||
| But I even said this in my video. | ||
| I said, look, the guy's not a great libertarian. | ||
| I don't think he's a great candidate. | ||
| Well, he was a Republican. | ||
| When he ran New Mexico, he was a Republican. | ||
| Yeah, and he was a good two-term governor, by the way. | ||
| As was Bill Weld, by the way, who was his running mate, who was the former governor of Massachusetts. | ||
| Yeah, so they're both decent fellas. | ||
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| They're both decent fellows, and maybe that's just not what makes you the president, but they missed a huge opportunity. | ||
| Imagine if there had just been a well-spoken Libertarian who could just have elicited what the points of Libertarianism is. | ||
| Yeah, I think it would look it's not gonna flip the election But it could have done something and and I think he was the wrong guy. | ||
| It's a dirty business You know, that's one of the reasons why Hillary Clinton is good at it. | ||
| She's a dirty person. | ||
| Yeah, I mean I say that with no ill will I mean, I don't hate that lady, but what she does is dirty. | ||
| And if you look at what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders, that's dirty. | ||
| And what she did, as soon as that woman got fired from the DNC, she hires her immediately. | ||
| I mean, it's so incredibly transparent. | ||
| So think how corrupt, really how corrupt this is. | ||
| And this is, again, why I talk about the left a lot, because they need to call out their side. | ||
| It would be very easy for us, for us to sit here and just mock the right the whole time. | ||
| And we can get further into Trump and mock the shit at him. | ||
| But the problem is, I don't believe in a left and a right. | ||
| No, I don't either, but I'm just within the way we have to sort of frame discussions. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, yeah, the labels are they're all ridiculous at this point. | ||
| But think about how corrupt the DNC is. | ||
| Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the head of the DNC. | ||
| They find out she's rigging it for Hillary. | ||
| She steps down in shame literally the same day or the next day. | ||
| Same day. | ||
| Same day she starts working for the Hillary campaign. | ||
| Then Donna Brazile, who's a Democratic superdelegate, right? | ||
| She's a Democrat who CNN had on as a contributor, as if she could possibly give you any remotely honest answer on anything. | ||
| She then becomes the head of the DNC. And then now it's, of course, come out on WikiLeaks in the last week that she was feeding Hillary questions for the debates. | ||
| So you may hate the Republicans. | ||
| For all your fans out there that hate the Republicans, you still got to acknowledge that there is something deeply, deeply corrupt with the Democrats. | ||
| And Hillary's the head of that. | ||
| Simply put. | ||
| Deeply corrupt against Bernie Sanders, who's also a Democrat. | ||
| It's like, what Hillary Clinton is, is a hustler. | ||
| And she knows how to put it all together. | ||
| Both of the Clintons, they're hustlers. | ||
| They keep these people close to them, and they make sure that everyone is taken care of. | ||
| Whether it's people from other countries that donate money to the Clinton Foundation, whether it's all these different people. | ||
| When she hired that woman for her campaign, that's not unusual. | ||
| That's standard operational procedure for the Clinton campaign. | ||
| That's how she's conducted business. | ||
| That's what we don't like about politics. | ||
| What we don't like about politics is the cronyism and the established roots that they have developed over 30-plus years in government. | ||
| Yeah, so that's what's happening right now is that because of WikiLeaks, we're starting to see how the sausage is made. | ||
| It's not just a theory anymore. | ||
| So for the last couple years, where a lot of online people would be screaming about the government's corrupt, the media's in bed with them, you know, they're pitching softball interviews. | ||
| Well, now we're seeing that it's actually true. | ||
| Like there's actual evidence in email saying, yeah, give softball stories to easy reporters at the New York Times. | ||
| Don't talk to this person, you know, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We're seeing all of it now. | ||
| And then you throw Trump into it, and you throw trolling and internet culture, and you get all of that going and back to that popcorn that we started with. | ||
| Now it's all bubbling at once, and it all comes down to tomorrow. | ||
| And I also think there's waves of this stuff. | ||
| There's waves of outrage, and then the people sort of get resigned to it all because they get their own life calls. | ||
| If you really wanted to delve deep into the Clintons or delve deep into Trump, that would absorb every second of your day for decades. | ||
| It really, really would. | ||
| With both of those guys. | ||
| And you gotta live. | ||
| And it's always been like that. | ||
| Do you remember Jeff Gannon? | ||
| Do you remember who he is? | ||
| Sounds familiar. | ||
| Give me a little something. | ||
| Jeff Gannon was an embedded reporter in the White House who actually spent time sleeping at the White House. | ||
| He had slept in the White House on more than one occasion. | ||
| And this was during the Bush administration. | ||
| And he would ask the most ridiculous questions that you would never think that a reporter would ask. | ||
| Like, Mr. President, when are the Democrats going to wake up and come to their senses? | ||
| Like those kind of questions. | ||
| Just completely ridiculous leading questions. | ||
| Complete softballs. | ||
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| Well, it turned out that he... | ||
| This was like when the internet was just starting to emerge, right? | ||
| It was during the Bush administration. | ||
| It turned out that he was a gay escort. | ||
| And he ran an all-military gay escort service. | ||
| Yeah, this does kind of sound... | ||
| And he wore like fucking dog tags and a towel over his dick. | ||
| And he was straddled on the ground with combat boots on in his online ad. | ||
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| I've seen him at 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood. | ||
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Nice. | |
| He's the manager now. | ||
| He's the guy with the mop. | ||
| So they realized that this fucking guy was... | ||
| I mean, this was how they got... | ||
| I mean, this is how they got the questions they want to be asked and they presented the narrative that they wanted to push. | ||
| But this has always been the case. | ||
| There's always been ridiculous people who are almost like vampire familiars, who stay close to the master. | ||
| And so they want to, you know, in one way or another, feed off of whatever power that he has and capitalize on it, whether it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whether it's, you know, what is a woman's name that's the Attorney General that Clinton met on the tarmac in his jet? | ||
| Oh, uh... | ||
| Lynch. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| That story is fucking insane. | ||
| They had a private meeting. | ||
| I mean, Trump's been hitting that over the head, and it's actually... | ||
| Every time he says it, I'm like, yeah, wait a minute. | ||
| They had a meeting in the plane for a couple minutes right before the indictment didn't happen? | ||
| Well, that's why people like Scott Adams, who's a very reasonable guy... | ||
| Yeah, have you had him on? | ||
| He's coming on soon. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| A little bit of what I said before about the Trump tactics. | ||
| He came on my show, and he laid it out so clearly. | ||
| And at that point, he wasn't supporting Trump, really. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| I think I think now he officially is but his whole point was it's not the policy Understand what he's doing the trolling understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that He fully gets it. | ||
| You're gonna love talking to him. | ||
| Yeah, I mean I feel like what Trump represents to a lot of people that are supporting him is They'll they're willing to look past all of his flaws and all the bullshit and the bullying and the craziness because he's something completely unique and Yeah. | ||
| That has never run for president before. | ||
| What he is, what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside. | ||
| He is independent in terms of financially. | ||
| And he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them. | ||
| One of the things about him being a narcissist and one of the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends is that In establishing that and becoming this super successful guy who's really concerned only about himself, he's immune to all that cronyism bullshit. | ||
| He's not going to do that. | ||
| And you're seeing that, like, the way he's hammering Hillary on all these different things, the way he's attacking. | ||
| I mean, he got paid to be at Hillary's fucking wedding. | ||
| Or Hillary, rather, got paid to be at his wedding. | ||
| He gave her a donation. | ||
| He gave her a donation for her to show up at his wedding. | ||
| I fucked it up. | ||
| I mean, this is a guy that's been deeply embedded in politics. | ||
| But to his credit, then, he points that out. | ||
| I mean, in the first debate, the first Republican debate, he said it within the first ten minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I gave her money, and she showed up to my wedding. | ||
| That's how corrupt the system is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you're totally right. | ||
| What's happening is people are, they're so frustrated. | ||
| They're frustrated about language and all the bullshit and seeing all the nonsense between the media and the White House Correspondents Dinner where, you know, they call it nerd prom and all the, they're supposed to be guarding the politicians and instead they're having dinner with them. | ||
| And we could go through the list of the amount of people that are on CNN that are married to public people or worked for I just mentioned the Don of Brazil thing. | ||
| Paul Begala, for example, he runs a Hillary super PAC. He's on CNN as an analyst. | ||
| Everyone is now seeing it. | ||
| There was the idea of it, but now because of the internet, we're seeing all of it, and people have just had it. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| Everyone wants to be close to power in a certain way, so if you had Barack Obama, you had the president in here, You probably, in your first interview with him, the first time you met him, might go a little easier, hoping that he might come back again, because you'd like to be around it a little bit. | ||
| Not me, dude. | ||
| I hope not you. | ||
| I would go hard. | ||
| I would show up drunk and high, and I'd go like, let's just do this, man. | ||
| Let's just do this. | ||
| I want to know what's up. | ||
| Well, there goes a chance to be the president. | ||
| Look, I don't want to be the president. | ||
| But likely there would be some serious consequences if I did do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the real concern. | ||
| So there's two things. | ||
| There's one is that he won't do. | ||
| If you ask if you are going to demand a really hard interview, I mean a really, really hard interview. | ||
| It wouldn't even be a hard interview. | ||
| What I would do if I had a chance to sit down with Barack Obama, because he's not much older than me. | ||
| He's only a couple years older than me. | ||
| I essentially could hang out with that guy. | ||
| I think in a lot of ways, let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks on whistleblowers and the attacks on the freedom of the press. | ||
| There's been a lot of horrible things that have occurred during this administration. | ||
| It's been one of the worst administrations in terms of freedom of the press. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Left doesn't seem to say much about that. | ||
| Yeah, not at all. | ||
| Because it's bullshit. | ||
| That's why I don't believe in this left and right thing. | ||
| It's like the Raiders versus the Dolphins. | ||
| You pick a team and your team can do no wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What I would talk to him about is, what is it like being a human being under that immense amount of pressure, and is that job even manageable? | ||
| Is it possible for one person to really be responsible for 300 and whatever million people there are here? | ||
| Plus Mexicans. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's the thing. | ||
| But Donald Trump's going to put an end to that. | ||
| People think we're voting for a king. | ||
| They don't realize that, you know, there's simple civics things that people need to know that they don't know anymore. | ||
| Stuff that you should have learned in seventh grade social studies. | ||
| That we have three branches of government. | ||
| The president is one branch. | ||
| He's the executive branch. | ||
| All he is supposed to do. | ||
| The president doesn't write laws. | ||
| All he is supposed to do is sign the law. | ||
| Congress writes the law, the legislative branch. | ||
| And then the judicial branch, the courts, actually make sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can, you know, checks and balances so they make sure no branch gets too powerful. | ||
| But if you think about it, think about what the last two years have been like for this election. | ||
| People think we're voting on a king. | ||
| So Hillary, I can solve this and all that. | ||
| It's like, wait a minute. | ||
| If you can do all this shit, why didn't you tell Barack these last eight years? | ||
| I'll bring all the jobs back. | ||
| Well, you were on his team, so maybe you should have mentioned that, so you know that's all bullshit. | ||
| And then when Trump says, I'm the only one that can solve immigration, I'm the only one that can make the economy great, and it's like... | ||
| Well, you're just a part of the government. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You're a big part. | ||
| And we fetishize the president in a way that we don't the other branches, which is a problem. | ||
| But they're not a king. | ||
| And we have to remind ourselves of that. | ||
| And for the people that are really ready to jump off the bridge tomorrow if their guy loses... | ||
| Or gal. | ||
| Or gal. | ||
| For those people... | ||
| The hope is that the system can be stronger than either one of these two people. | ||
| If we're not at that point, then we're really in trouble. | ||
| But haven't we already established, though, that the system itself is horribly... | ||
| It's just busted. | ||
| It's just busted, but that's why they're voting Trump. | ||
| And that's the thing with Trump. | ||
| If you think about Trump... | ||
| What if progressives hated all these years? | ||
| They hate Christian conservatives. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Trump's not a Christian conservative. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| They're all supporting him, oddly, at the highest numbers. | ||
| But he doesn't care about that. | ||
| Do you think Trump really cares about abortion? | ||
| He's an old school pussy grabber. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| He's an old school pussy grabber. | ||
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OSPD. He doesn't care about abortion. | |
| That's a t-shirt. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You can have that one. | ||
| But he doesn't care about abortion. | ||
| He doesn't care about gay rights. | ||
| Like, think about it. | ||
| He gave the, at the RNC, at the convention, he talked about gay rights. | ||
| It got an applause break. | ||
| He brought Peter Thiel up there to talk about being openly gay and they loved him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, so it's important also to establish that Hillary Clinton was anti-gay marriage until 2013. Yeah. | ||
| When it became convenient. | ||
| She's on record many, many times as saying that she believes in a marriage between a man and a woman. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what- Which is incredibly regressive. | ||
| Well, that's what they all do. | ||
| They wait. | ||
| Even Mo Bama, it's like he waited, waited, waited until- Did you call him Mo Bama? | ||
| Mo Bama. | ||
| But even Obama didn't do it until Biden was on Meet the Press, and he kind of slipped, and then the next day Obama was like, me too! | ||
| You know, you're just saying Mo-bama. | ||
| Michelle Obama, if she ran, she could probably fucking win. | ||
| You want to talk about a woman who has been in the White House, who has shown an incredible resolve at the way she speaks? | ||
| She's a very intelligent, very articulate, very composed person. | ||
| I think she could win. | ||
| Well, what does it tell you, though, that... | ||
| I'd rather have her than Hillary. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| I would probably rather have her than Hillary. | ||
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Although, I don't even know what she thinks. | |
| But Hillary, it's so... | ||
| That's how ridiculous being a president is! | ||
| I'm sitting here talking about... | ||
| I just know she's not as compromised. | ||
| But maybe she would be if she got that job. | ||
| So is that ultimately where we're at? | ||
| Is that the system is so corrupt that all it could choke out, all the two years of this bullshit could give us at the end was these two. | ||
| Like, I kind of think they just, they perfectly deserve each other. | ||
| But if you want to look and find out what went wrong, you got to look in the mirror because we all have to look at ourselves and say, how did we all allow this to happen? | ||
| It was a joke at first. | ||
| The Trump thing was a joke. | ||
| I mean, I'll fully own up. | ||
| I remember when he first got in, I said he's going to be in three debates and that's it. | ||
| Well, he was definitely in three debates. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he stayed for the fourth and I went, oh shit. | ||
| He's better at talking to those people. | ||
| He's used to being on camera and he's used to insulting people. | ||
| Like when Marco Rubio tried to insult him. | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| He's not good at that. | ||
| That's not something you just pick up on. | ||
| It was like watching an open mic comic have to headline the biggest show of their life. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He just couldn't get the words out properly. | ||
| But to that point... | ||
| Maybe, so for all the things that we're talking about, it seems to me that Trump, the best sales job I could give for Trump would be that he has a lot. | ||
| His family has a lot. | ||
| They have everything to live for. | ||
| They have everything that most of us want, immaterial assets and all that stuff. | ||
| And it's like, is he really people that are like, he's going to start World War III or, you know, we're going to fight North Korea or Well, isn't that a real concern, though, with his hubris and the way he treats opponents in business and the way he treats opponents socially, like Rosie O'Donnell, the way he does sort of conduct himself. | ||
| That is not something that you can do if you want to talk to some foreign leader. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So I'm not diminishing that we don't... | ||
| As I say on the show all the time, I don't know what his moral center is. | ||
| I just have no sense of, is this really all about him? | ||
| Or does he really feel, like in the truest moment of him, does he feel that the country really has been derailed? | ||
| And is he just using the trolling tactics to just... | ||
| Get something good out of it. | ||
| My point is that he has a lot to lose. | ||
| And it's like, maybe this is the moment where he finally came around and was like, no one's going to stop this bullshit. | ||
| This corrupt, all this awful shit that you're talking about with Hillary. | ||
| And maybe he's like, I'm the only one that can do it. | ||
| That's the best way I can frame it. | ||
| I'm not telling you that that's... | ||
| That's a really fantasy-based view of it, though. | ||
| It's not based on his actual words. | ||
| But it's impossible to base any of... | ||
| So how do we base any of this on their words? | ||
| We know that Hillary's lying left and right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, have you seen the thing, the difference between the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying what the FBI had said? | ||
| I mean, it is so horrifically inaccurate and dishonest. | ||
| It's just like, how does that not immediately disqualify you? | ||
| And at any other time, it would. | ||
| If she was running against, let's put it this way, if she was running against Obama, and this was the Hillary Clinton that we had been exposed to, it's like our standards have dropped so low. | ||
| But the media would have been all over her because they liked Obama. | ||
| So that's what's happened here. | ||
| Trump has been the great unifier to take all of these people, progressives and liberals and all these people, and even the never-Trump conservatives, all these people, they're all unified in just their hatred of Trump. | ||
| And then that gets them to ignore all the horrible shit about Hillary. | ||
| So the stuff with the emails, when the guy basically, Comey came out and he was like, well, it wasn't negligent. | ||
| He was like, she's basically an idiot. | ||
| She didn't know what she was doing, but it wasn't negligent. | ||
| Well... | ||
| That's grounds to be fired at most jobs. | ||
| You can't screw up something really, really important and say, well, I didn't do it on purpose, I'm just an idiot. | ||
| It's not even that. | ||
| It's illegal. | ||
| And illegal! | ||
| You would go to jail. | ||
| Everything she did, if she was a sailor, you know the story about the naval officer who took photos, it wasn't even an officer, it was an enlisted guy, who took photos of the inside of a nuclear cockpit and he's facing 10 years in jail. | ||
| Just took photos on his phone of top secret shit. | ||
| Well, did you see this in the last two days that Hillary was having her cleaning lady print emails? | ||
| Classified emails? | ||
| There are WikiLeaks showing things where she's saying, have her print it. | ||
| Have her print it. | ||
| The whole Anthony Weiner thing. | ||
| She had Huma. | ||
| Huma forwarded her fucking classified emails to Anthony Weiner's account and then printed them up. | ||
| Because I guess his computer was hooked up to the fucking printer in the house so he could print his dick pics. | ||
| Right, so then... | ||
| Was he printing them? | ||
| Where do you send them once you've printed them? | ||
| You've got to enlarge them, otherwise you'll get no traction. | ||
| You can't send actual-sized dick pics. | ||
| Can I ask you this, though, before we get any further? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What... | ||
| Do you want either one of them to win? | ||
| Do you have a preference? | ||
| Or are you like, boy, I want to step back and watch this nuclear explosion go off and see what happens? | ||
| It's none of those three options. | ||
| I don't want this thing to blow up. | ||
| You know, one of the things I say on the show all the time is that our country is still so good. | ||
| And we don't realize it. | ||
| We think that it's just this endless fighting and this awfulness. | ||
| There's so much good here. | ||
| You wake up. | ||
| I know we're a little different as public people. | ||
| But the average person wakes up here. | ||
| They can say what they want to say, for the most part. | ||
| You can say what you want to say. | ||
| You can get a decent job for the most part. | ||
| We go to New York City and go on a subway and be with literally every single person from every part of the world, from every ethnicity and nationality and religion and race and sexuality, and we're all here and we're not killing each other. | ||
| That doesn't mean that we could do a lot better. | ||
| It doesn't mean the system's broken. | ||
| But it's still pretty damn good here. | ||
| Almost everyone in the world still wants to come here. | ||
| We don't... | ||
| How many of your friends are leaving America? | ||
| I know Leon Dunham's gonna leave. | ||
| That'll be alright. | ||
| Is she really leaving? | ||
| She's going if Trump wins, you know, like... | ||
| She said that? | ||
| Yeah, she's going to Mexico or something, or Canada. | ||
| Well, she's got a lot of problems of her own. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let's not waste any rainfalls on her. | ||
| So my overriding point would be, I don't want to blow the system up to that level where it's really like... | ||
| Well, let me rephrase what I was saying, because I didn't mean like, watch this nuclear explosion go off. | ||
| I meant an event. | ||
| Like, tomorrow's an event, and we're going to sit back and watch how this event plays out. | ||
| Do you want to say who you're voting for? | ||
| So look, we're in California. | ||
| So I haven't said this publicly. | ||
| I figured I would sort of wait till today. | ||
| So we're in California here. | ||
| So we know Hillary's winning California. | ||
| So the two of us have a little bit of a luxury to do something that might be more principled than what that is. | ||
| As far as voting independent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then what the average person, if you're in Ohio or you're in Florida or Colorado or whatever, your votes, literally every single person's vote matters. | ||
| Which also highlights how fucking goofy the system is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, completely does, right? | ||
| And now there are people that are trading votes over state lines and all kinds of crazy things. | ||
| Look, My biggest thing this time is that the system is just mangled and we need more voices. | ||
| So I'm not totally sure. | ||
| My gut feeling is I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson for all the wrong reasons. | ||
| Because I just want somebody to realize down the road that four years from now we should have somebody else. | ||
| But I think you could make equally strong cases for Trump and for Hillary and equally wrong cases for both of them. | ||
| Because everything... | ||
| Because it's funny. | ||
| I'll ask you the same question. | ||
| But just from what we've talked about here... | ||
| My sense is you're going to vote for Hillary in the most begrudging possible way. | ||
| I don't think I am. | ||
| If I was going to vote for Hillary... | ||
| So think about this. | ||
| I would have to have a way that I could justify supporting her, not just a way that I didn't feel like Trump should be the president. | ||
| In my mind, for the system, it's far better if... | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| I definitely think my options are either voting for Gary Johnson or writing someone in. | ||
| And I don't think Gary Johnson should be president. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| And look, he's not going to be, so you can do that in clean conscience. | ||
| But if he was president, look, the guy did a great job as a governor of New Mexico. | ||
| What I find disagreeable about him is so much different than what I found disagreeable about George Bush. | ||
| And George Bush was the president for eight years. | ||
| What I find disagreeable about him is only his lack of preparedness. | ||
| But I think he's a very disciplined guy. | ||
| I just don't think he prepared well enough about foreign policy and about a lot of other issues. | ||
| And I also think the pressure of the national media and the spotlight of that. | ||
| And the gotcha. | ||
| Yeah, the gotcha journalism. | ||
| It's something unique that he had not experienced before. | ||
| So think how depressing that is with everything going on here and for as much as you and I are in this thing, like in it in a public way, that we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like, eh, we're gonna vote for the guy that definitely can't win. | ||
| I mean, think about the shit that you've just said about Hillary. | ||
| That is... | ||
| It's seriously damning shit. | ||
| Really damning shit. | ||
| Now look, Sam Harris, who's one of my heroes, who I know you've had on a zillion times, and I've had him on, and he did the best sell job he could on Hillary. | ||
| He's supporting her. | ||
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| Well, it's mostly Trump's a fucking lunatic. | ||
| But he did a whole article about the best of two evils. | ||
| Not a whole article, a whole podcast about it. | ||
| And I think he makes some good points about that. | ||
| He absolutely does. | ||
| And look, I hold him as high as I can hold another person. | ||
| But I think that maybe the best way this could go down is that if you're really afraid of what could happen with Trump, that the rules have just changed forever and that just doesn't sound right, that Trump would be President of the United States, this reality TV star. | ||
| If you're really, really afraid of that, I think the best argument for Clinton then would be that get her in. | ||
| The system basically keeps chugging along. | ||
| And then good liberals and decent conservatives and libertarians and the people that really aren't on the fringes that are dragging everybody apart. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like the real regressive left people and the real alt-right people. | ||
| But everyone else kind of comes together and says, we're going to change things over the next couple of years. | ||
| And I'm giving you real kind of pie in the sky. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, let's try to spin this positively stuff. | ||
| Like ABC after school special. | ||
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| Like that's really what I'm giving you right now because I got nothing left with one day to go in this fucking thing. | ||
| But that's what I would say is that It's become obvious to me over the course of this, the average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever, they're not my enemy. | ||
| They're not as a liberal. | ||
| They're not my enemy. | ||
| And we have to find room to be okay with other people. | ||
| This whole election is just a result of not being okay, of demonizing everybody to the point that they're evil. | ||
| And then what did we end up with? | ||
| We got this. | ||
| So the best argument for Hillary, I think, is let her have four years. | ||
| The whole thing's going to be scandal-ridden no matter what. | ||
| You think this is about not letting people just do their own thing? | ||
| Like, that's a big part of what this is? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| When you say... | ||
| Explain what you just said about the whole reason why we're in this... | ||
| We're in this position because we've got... | ||
| Because over the last however long, because of cable news, because of Twitter, because of all of that... | ||
| Everyone caters their news to themselves and then demonizes everybody else. | ||
| So everyone on the right will tell you that they're all libtard, leftist, socialist, Marxist, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And everyone on the left will tell you that they're all racist, white supremacist Nazis. | ||
| And it's like neither one of those things are true. | ||
| It's like when people argue about abortion and it's like everyone on the left will say that the People on the right, they're against abortion. | ||
| They hate women. | ||
| And people on the right will say the people on the left are for abortion, so they hate babies. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| It's not really true, either one of those. | ||
| You've got to realize that there's much more in common that we all have. | ||
| I know you know this, obviously. | ||
| That's not rocket science. | ||
| And we have to realize that people can have different political opinions and that you can still find some room. | ||
| There is some place. | ||
| Democrats and Republicans used to work together. | ||
| Yeah, well, civility and just the common bond of being American and being so incredibly fortunate to be born on this awesome patch of dirt. | ||
| I mean, that's really what we are. | ||
| We're the lottery winners when it comes to the world. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people disagree. | ||
| Fuck you, Canada's better. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of people, but, you know, they're Canadian. | ||
| But we just ignore them, yeah. | ||
| They're nice folks. | ||
| That's where I would live if I didn't live here. | ||
| I'd live in Canada or Australia. | ||
| Those are my two spots. | ||
| Well, Australia, I've had a couple Australians on. | ||
| The place is the shit. | ||
| I fucking love Australia. | ||
| Yeah, I need to get there. | ||
| I love the people. | ||
| I love the people over there. | ||
| It's such a fucking great place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Melbourne is fucking fantastic. | ||
| Sydney is awesome. | ||
| It's just, I enjoy it. | ||
| I mean, they have their problems too, but... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had Rita Panahian, who's a writer for the Herald Sun in Australia. | ||
| She's born in Iran, moved to Australia. | ||
| Now she's basically, she's on the right in that she's, you know, she would be considered a Republican here and she's actually fighting against immigration the way they're doing it there because she realized how good that country is. | ||
| She says Australia is the most tolerant nation on earth and we're now unfurling that tolerance by allowing everybody in, even if Even if they don't believe the things we believe and even if they don't want to integrate and assimilate properly and all that stuff. | ||
| Well, they're very hard on illegal immigrants. | ||
| They take illegal immigrants, they put them on a boat and they ship them to a fucking island. | ||
| Yeah, which is happening all over the place and they're sinking boats. | ||
| I mean, there are videos of boats trying to get to Greece and they're just literally sinking, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Australia, Canada... | ||
| Yeah, there's some other places that are pretty good. | ||
| But the fight against people who disagree and demonization, I completely agree with you on. | ||
| I think that we have a real problem with teams. | ||
| We have a really real tribal mentality. | ||
| Whether it's a team of the right or a team of the left or even a team of the independents. | ||
| I've been seeing so many people and I've been so disappointed with so many people ignoring all the things that Clinton has done. | ||
| And using that hashtag, I'm with her, especially my friends that are women, that are really excited about having the first woman president. | ||
| I'm like, this one? | ||
| This is the one you want? | ||
| This is like, if you wanted to have the first woman president, wouldn't you want to have a woman who was like Obama when he ran for president? | ||
| Was a perfect candidate in a lot of ways and a perfect response to George Bush. | ||
| I mean take away all the things that he didn't do that he had offered in his whole hope and change campaign and there's so much that he went against especially really disturbing stuff like the whistleblower thing like he he was offering support for whistleblowers and saying that if people were doing illegal activity and they expose that they would be protected which has been absolutely not the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, to me, is super disturbing. | ||
| And I think, as many people have said, he's going to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to that stuff. | ||
| But I don't know how much control or power they really have. | ||
| I don't know what kind of influences the president really has in that position. | ||
| But my point is, he was a great candidate. | ||
| Hillary Clinton is not a great candidate. | ||
| She's just not. | ||
| She's a scary person in a lot of ways. | ||
| All this shit that she's been saying about Russia being a part of the attack and the hacks on her email server and the DNC, that's all bullshit. | ||
| Well, think about it. | ||
| It's been proven. | ||
| But she keeps saying that. | ||
| She's offered up the fact that she would respond militarily, militarily against Russia for her writing a bunch of fucked up shit in emails and getting caught for it. | ||
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| So the way you know that it's actual bullshit, and you're not just, you know, given hyperbole there, is that if they were doing the things that now the Hillary campaign is claiming, and they do it very carefully, they're very careful with their words, where they never flat out condemn them for, you know, it's, but it has to be coming from the Russians and blah, blah, blah. | ||
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| And it's a magic trick to keep you off the topics of the emails, which is really the stuff we should be talking about. | ||
| But the way you know it's really not real is that if it was real, let's say there was real evidence, the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whatever had real evidence that Russia was genuinely rigging our elections, either with Trump or without Trump or whatever. | ||
| That would truly be an act of war. | ||
| At this point, that would be an act of war, and Obama would have to be talking about it endlessly. | ||
| Yeah, and not only that, the term rigging the elections and interfering with the... | ||
| When you say Russia, do you mean a guy in Russia? | ||
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| Because that's like a guy in America could have hacked into that shit. | ||
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| Do you mean Putin directly, the government, or do you mean Russian hackers? | ||
| A Russian citizen. | ||
| A person who has no connection whatsoever to the Russian governor who may have gotten your shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what about this? | ||
| Have you thought about this? | ||
| So all this stuff comes out, WikiLeaks. | ||
| Let's go on the assumption that Hillary's going to win tomorrow. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What if, and I say this with, I always quote Carl Sagan on this one, which is, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. | ||
| But what if WikiLeaks or the Russian government or whoever this is, right? | ||
| What if they're saving the real shit until she's president? | ||
| Wouldn't they release it today? | ||
| No, not if you really wanted to blackmail the president of the United States. | ||
| Blackmail? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If they want money or something? | ||
| Or they want some favorable trade agreements or whatever. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That you release enough so that she's damaged. | ||
| Now she gets into the White House, and then either you start continually leaking more, because I suspect they've got plenty more, you continually leak more to hamper her, or you actually then have some shit over her. | ||
| Like, what if there's some real shit? | ||
| You know, she facilitated... | ||
| You know, something worse in Libya or, you know, like some other thing. | ||
| And then they could potentially have some shit on her, which then could actually lead to a war with Russia. | ||
| Again, I fully throw the Carl Sagan caveat out there when I say that. | ||
| But you have to think, like, they have a political... | ||
| Motive. | ||
| They're not an apolitical organization. | ||
| Clearly they want to damage Hillary. | ||
| So I think there's something there. | ||
| You're giving me the skeptical eye, which is great. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's a lot of speculation. | ||
| Yeah, it is, for sure. | ||
| I think if they had anything big, it would have already been out. | ||
| Well, we've got a couple hours left. | ||
| Eh, don't buy it. | ||
| I think they would have released it yesterday. | ||
| Well, maybe not on Sunday. | ||
| Nobody's paying attention. | ||
| But I just think that there's no way they would have waited this long. | ||
| Like, the FBI saying that they're going to reopen the investigation was one of the most damaging things. | ||
| And that came from the investigation of Anthony Weiner. | ||
| It had nothing to do with WikiLeaks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It came from just them looking into this other creep and finding out that he's sending his dick pics to some 15-year-old girl or whatever the fuck he was doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't think there's anything there. | ||
| I think what we've seen, we've already seen. | ||
| So you think we have it? | ||
| We really have... | ||
| I think the most damaging thing, in my opinion, was Colin Powell's impression of her. | ||
| That was horrific because Colin Powell is such a respected person. | ||
| You very rarely hear anything negative about him and he... | ||
| You know, essentially said that she's a moron. | ||
| I mean, or not a moron, an intelligent person whose hubris fucks up everything, which is, you know, a way of being a moron. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that, you know, he'll... | ||
| The thing about Bill out dicking bimbos was hilarious. | ||
| You know, and he still is. | ||
| And then when Donald Trump brought those women that he, you know, he's allegedly sexually assaulted, and he brought them, and even raped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Brought them to the debate and had them sit there. | ||
| There's a photo of Bill looking over at those women. | ||
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| I've seen it. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| What in the holy fuck was on his mind when the impression that he's giving while he's looking over at those women like that? | ||
| So doesn't that go to why people are voting for Trump? | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
| So one of my best friends, since I'm four years old, does not care about politics at all. | ||
| Could not care less. | ||
| I don't even know that he could name the vice president. | ||
| He has been all in on Trump. | ||
| I've never talked more politics with him ever in our entire lives. | ||
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Is he a right-wing guy? | |
| He's completely apolitical. | ||
| He's not big on the government in general. | ||
| He doesn't care what you do. | ||
| Don't hurt him. | ||
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That's it. | |
| Live and let live. | ||
| That's his whole... | ||
| I don't think he's ever voted. | ||
| I mean, he's a great guy, but he just has nothing to do with politics. | ||
| He's been all about Trump because his whole thing is... | ||
| The system is so gross, we all know it, and now the guy's exposing it. | ||
| And he's willing to take that risk of what that might mean. | ||
| Isn't that sort of what Scott Adams is saying as well? | ||
| Yeah, that's basically the thrust of it. | ||
| That people are just saying, we all knew it was fucked up. | ||
| Now someone's showing it to you, but you don't like how he behaves. | ||
| You don't like how he talks about pussy. | ||
| You don't like that he says mean things to Rosie. | ||
| All truly gross things. | ||
| I'm not defending any of those things. | ||
| But when someone's actually pulling the curtain, showing you the wizard, And now the wizard's a little weirder than you like, and they go, ah, well, forget that. | ||
| You know, like, let's pull the curtain back and get another curtain, and, you know, and that's what they're all afraid of. | ||
| They're afraid of, this is their chance, and if they blow it, it'll never, that the machine will just swallow everybody up. | ||
| I don't think the machine's swallowing shit. | ||
| I think what we're seeing is the inevitable demise of a system that's wholly incompatible with the internet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think- I love that. | ||
| That's what's happening. | ||
| That's what's happening. | ||
| The system cannot exist in a world where I think all communication within the next 20 years is going to be transparent. | ||
| Your emails to Jamie, your tweets to your mom, whatever the fuck you're doing, I think it's all going to be transparent. | ||
| I think what the internet is providing and what modern communication is providing is almost instantaneous access to data and to the way people feel and express themselves. | ||
| And what we were talking about earlier, these little pops of popcorn, they're going to boil up to a gigantic... | ||
| It's gonna... | ||
| Technology's not gonna stop here. | ||
| It's not like what we can do now is as much as we're gonna be able to do in the future. | ||
| No, it's gonna continue to progress and it's gonna get to a point where there's not gonna be... | ||
| Deception's gonna be impossible. | ||
| So that's what it is. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Cable news is deceiving everyone. | ||
| We know they're deceiving everyone. | ||
| They're sleeping with the people they're supposed to be taking care of. | ||
| You know, they're supposed to be watching, sorry. | ||
| And now we're exposing it. | ||
| So think about just what we've done here. | ||
| Whether if we got one decent point in however long we've been sitting here. | ||
| If we got one thing out 15 years ago, You could not do this. | ||
| You could not have two people fully unfiltered for this amount of time doing what we're doing. | ||
| So if we manage one cogent point in this whole thing, that's more than you could have got out 15 years ago. | ||
| Well, it's definitely more than you're ever going to see on networks because networks have an obligation and they have an agenda. | ||
| And I was going back and forth, and I tweeted about this, that I was going back and forth between Fox News and CNN one night. | ||
| I just sat in front of the TV. My wife and kids were out. | ||
| And so I was just sitting in front of the TV, stoned as fuck, flipping through the channels, going back and forth between CNN and Fox, and I was goddamn bewildered. | ||
| I was like, I'm watching two different worlds. | ||
| You're on two different planets. | ||
| It's like there's two different parallel universes. | ||
| In one parallel universe, Hillary Clinton is the savior of the world, and the other one, she's a monster, and Bill Clinton's a rapist and a sexual predator, and these women are a bunch of bimbos who just came out against Donald Trump, and they're all puppets, and Gloria Allred's in on it, and all this crap. | ||
| I'm like, what would a person think if this is their first exposure to human beings? | ||
| If an alien came here from another planet and their first exposure to human beings was looking at this process to decide who controls the button that has all the nuclear weapons of the world pointed at various countries... | ||
| I mean, this is insanity. | ||
| And this is an insane way to communicate. | ||
| So how do we then, as the neos of this, of this matrix, right? | ||
| How do we then keep emboldening? | ||
| I mean, I guess we just have to keep doing what we're doing. | ||
| There's an inevitable process going on. | ||
| And it's going to... | ||
| It's going to overwhelm what we consider to be normal communication. | ||
| It's going to overwhelm that. | ||
| And right now, I think we're at a very early stage of this technological progression. | ||
| And I think we're looking at it in terms of the internet and devices and phones and laptops and shit. | ||
| But I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to... | ||
| Look, no one would have ever thought that you would have people addicted to a phone just 20 years ago. | ||
| No one would have ever even considered the idea of being addicted to a phone, that you would go to a restaurant and 80% of the people would just be on their phone. | ||
| And no one likes it when you bring it up. | ||
| If you say to them, hey man, want to get off your phone? | ||
| Like, fuck dude, I got important emails coming through. | ||
| Everybody gets mad. | ||
| It's like, you know, you're like saying, hey, do you really need that drink? | ||
| I fucking want that drink. | ||
| It's the same goddamn feeling. | ||
| People are responding to an addiction. | ||
| But this is just step one, man. | ||
| This is step one of an ultimate complete invasiveness. | ||
| There's going to be some new technology, whether it's a neural implant or whether there's some other device that we're going to wear, but there's going to be something that connects us far more intimately with each other than what we're experiencing now, which is pretty goddamn intimate. | ||
| Yeah, wouldn't it be nice? | ||
| I had a guy who's running for the transhumanist party. | ||
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Oh, yeah, Zoltan. | |
| Oh, have you had him on? | ||
| Yeah, I've had him on, yeah. | ||
| So that's what we talked about. | ||
| I mean, we spent, as I'm sure you did, we spent the hour basically talking about all that. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| We're not talking about anything. | ||
| Look, it's not that this shit's happening tomorrow, but instead of talking about grabbing pussy and emails, we should be talking about some of these things. | ||
| Some of these actual things that are going to shape our lives. | ||
| And we don't talk about any of this stuff. | ||
| And then the shit just happens. | ||
| And then instead of talking about it and preparing ourselves, we react. | ||
| But we need to do a little legwork so that when this stuff comes whatever it is We have to be ready for it Yeah, and we don't so one day the robots will be here and we're gonna be bowing down to him because we didn't do the legwork To go. | ||
| Ah, you know what they were gonna turn on us. | ||
| We should have Well, something I don't necessarily know if the robots are gonna turn on us like that That's the big concern that a lot of people have Stephen Hawking Elon Musk the artificial intelligence I think before then we're going to integrate. | ||
| I mean I think Before virtual reality, you're going to have augmented reality. | ||
| And I think that augmented human beings, human beings that are augmented with technology, that's really going to be what's going to separate us from what we are now, which is essentially the monkey holding the device. | ||
| I think the device is going to be in the monkey. | ||
| Yeah, well look, Zoltan's got the chip in him, and it can open his garage door. | ||
| He was talking about a guy, you know, he knows a guy that wants to chop his arm off to get the bionic arm to be able, you know, and get Wi-Fi in your arm. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Yeah, and then somebody hacks into your arm. | ||
| The Russians are going to hack his arm. | ||
| He's going to jerk his own dick off. | ||
| I was going to say, you know what Wiener's going to do with his dick when it's a robotic? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, you think we're in shit now. | ||
| I think Wiener should go into stand-up. | ||
| I've been saying that for years. | ||
| He's a really good public speaker. | ||
| He's obviously fucked up. | ||
| He's got all the traits, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's got everything going on that would get him into stand-up. | ||
| I think he's probably pretty fucking funny. | ||
| He looks funny. | ||
| Yeah, he looks funny. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a great face for it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He wins the wrong line of business. | ||
| Politics are essentially show business for ugly people. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| So is comedy. | ||
| Comedy, you know, there's been some really not very good looking people that have done a wonderful job of telling jokes and becoming famous. | ||
| I think we look pretty good relative. | ||
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For comics? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I haven't even been doing stand-up much in the last couple of years, but I think relatively speaking, we've got to be on the higher end of... | ||
| Relatively speaking. | ||
| Tosh is probably number one, that handsome bastard. | ||
| That bastard. | ||
| Beautiful hair. | ||
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Fuck that guy. | |
| Beautiful man. | ||
| There's a few of them like that. | ||
| Sebastian, he's a good-looking goddamn guy, too. | ||
| There's quite a few, but now more so than ever in the past. | ||
| Yeah, but what happened to the fat, slovenly comedian? | ||
| Louis C.K. No, but I'm talking the... | ||
| Louis C.K. embraces it. | ||
| I'm talking Louis Anderson. | ||
| I was happy that he won that. | ||
| Ralphie Mae. | ||
| Yeah, that he won the Ralphie Mae, right? | ||
| Yeah, Ralphie Mae takes it to the whole new level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like the Bruce Lee of fat stand-ups. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| That's not something you wouldn't say in front of him. | ||
| He's fat. | ||
| I would. | ||
| He would too. | ||
| He's fat. | ||
| He knows what he is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not the worst thing in the world. | ||
| Well, whatever. | ||
| I honestly believe that we're at a tipping point in human civilization. | ||
| And I think that what this election is exposing is how ridiculous our process is. | ||
| That our process was created by people who used to write with feathers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, it really was. | ||
| It was created by people who rode horses to get around, and they needed a representative government because there was no fucking way you're going to be able to talk to someone in Missouri. | ||
| It would take forever, and so they needed someone to talk to those people and then get the word back to Washington. | ||
| We don't need that anymore. | ||
| It's an archaic system, and that archaic system is in many ways being exposed. | ||
| I made a tweet recently or an Instagram post about this guy that was going over the electoral map like a storm was coming. | ||
| And he was like pointing at all the states. | ||
| And I was like, this guy's like talking about storms. | ||
| He's talking about like, he's doing a forecast. | ||
| It's so bizarre what we're seeing now. | ||
| Well, you're so right. | ||
| I mean, just on the technology front and how we vote, it's like every state has two senators. | ||
| And the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to make sure that the states like Montana that have nobody living there had some sort of representation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they needed to make sure that the train with the president campaigning would actually make it there or the horse and buggy or whatever it was. | ||
| And it's like now it's all changed. | ||
| So everything being equal, even though I'm not for changing a lot of the I certainly wouldn't be for changing the Constitution. | ||
| But like the fact that Montana has two senators and California has two senators. | ||
| California has like that. | ||
| What is it like the 10th biggest economy in the world? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like, that's not right. | ||
| Technology has changed, so it's not necessary anymore. | ||
| The people in Montana can hear all the same shit that the people in California have. | ||
| So there are things that are happening now that the system, because it's so ingrained, and because the people that control it and the money... | ||
| I don't even think that's a conspiracy. | ||
| I think that's just the way things work. | ||
| It's become ingrained, you know? | ||
| What we love about the Constitution has essentially already been violated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, by the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, the NDAA, there's a lot of weird shit that's already in place that kind of takes away from the things that the Founding Fathers had set up to make sure that tyranny was never embraced. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We have these... | ||
| Things that we established a long time ago that we think of when we think of what the United States is. | ||
| Freedom of speech. | ||
| You have a right to a fair trial. | ||
| Well, you don't anymore. | ||
| With the Patriot Act and with indefinite detention that was provided by the NDAA, they could kind of put you in jail for whatever. | ||
| They decide they put you in jail because you represent a threat or that you are on a terrorist watch list or whatever. | ||
| And if they decide that you're a threat to America, You really don't have the right to a trial. | ||
| They can just lock you up. | ||
| I mean, look at what the fuck they did to Chelsea Manning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, to this day, she just tried to commit suicide again, apparently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This whole... | ||
| That, to me, disturbs me almost as much as anything, the way Julian Assange is trapped in a house in London and can't leave. | ||
| He's in an embassy. | ||
| So what does that tell you, then, about the progressives that were all about this? | ||
| They were all about Chelsea Manning. | ||
| They were all about getting all the information. | ||
| When it was all breaking, I was completely with them. | ||
| Look, I believe that... | ||
| Governments should be transparent, but there is some shit, are you with me on this, that some shit has to go down that we can't know about. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, like, that's, I just think it's when people want everything to be fully transparent, it's like... | ||
| But the problem is, who gets to keep those secrets? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And why? | ||
| The regular folks. | ||
| Why does a regular person get to keep those secrets over the American people? | ||
| Well, I don't know what the right answer to that is, other than you can't have everyone walking around with all the knowledge. | ||
| That's the problem, and I think someday that's going to be inevitable. | ||
| That's what I'm saying about technology. | ||
| That eventually it'll just unfurl the whole thing. | ||
| The bottleneck is there. | ||
| And I also think the bottleneck is going to occur with money. | ||
| Because I think money right now is really just numbers. | ||
| I mean, money isn't backed by gold anymore. | ||
| It's just numbers. | ||
| So that means it's data. | ||
| So that means it's information. | ||
| And information, it's going in the direction that information is eventually going to be completely transparent. | ||
| You're going to be able to share information back and forth. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I don't know if we're going to be able to hold on to this concept of money. | ||
| I think the concept of money that we have, it's connected to civilization, and that in itself is only a few thousand years old. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the invention of money, before that it was sort of like trading in goods and services or whatever it was. | ||
| You're going back, what, 20,000 years, 30,000 years? | ||
| Human beings have been around for a long fucking time. | ||
| Culture's been around for a long time. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| I thought like... | ||
| 10,000 years? | ||
| Yeah, 2,000 years. | ||
| Human beings in this current state are incredibly recent, where we're not even dealing with gold anymore. | ||
| Now we're just dealing with numbers. | ||
| I think the next step is that you can't keep track of that anymore. | ||
| The next step is it's going to be a resource-based economy. | ||
| Meaning that people are just going to be sharing and trading in resources. | ||
| And we're going to have to figure out some way to quantify those resources and quantify your value. | ||
| And I don't think it's going to be the way it is now where you have these hedge fund managers and these Bernie Madoff twats that are fucking just essentially moving numbers around and making ungodly sums of money. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the Hamptons, a lot of those fucking people that have these castles out there, and the castles in Connecticut, You have these people that have just figured out a way to move numbers around. | ||
| That's all they're doing. | ||
| They're moving numbers. | ||
| They're playing tricks with the system, basically. | ||
| Yes, they're extracting money from a broken system. | ||
| Well, that's why I think that, you know, even when people come after Trump on the money stuff, you know, the whole thing with the $918 million and the write-off and all that. | ||
| Now, look, we don't know. | ||
| We haven't seen his taxes. | ||
| He made it. | ||
| The election's tomorrow. | ||
| He made it without showing his taxes. | ||
| How the fuck did he do that? | ||
| Because, again, it's just trolling the system. | ||
| But did you remember when Howard Stern was running for governor and they were forcing him to reveal his taxes and he went, fuck you, I'm out. | ||
| Oh, was that what happened to get him to drop, basically? | ||
| Howard's a very wise guy, so I would imagine that he knew that was going to happen and didn't really want to be governor anyway. | ||
| But when he was running for governor, that was the hurdle. | ||
| They told him he had to expose his taxes. | ||
| To Howard's credit, I love, love, love Howard. | ||
| You know, did you see a couple weeks ago, people were asking him to release all the Trump interviews from all the years, from the 20 years? | ||
| And he said, no, I'm not going to do it because... | ||
| When people came and come to my studio, we're playing a game, sort of. | ||
| We're talking about women. | ||
| And it would add nothing to this. | ||
| And Donald Trump was a good sport about it. | ||
| So for me to betray that, it would be betraying my own self. | ||
| I thought it was a pretty great principled statement by him. | ||
| That is great. | ||
| It's also taking it out of context, the context of being on the Stern show. | ||
| They did use some of the stuff that he said about supporting the war. | ||
| So I think somebody else had that video, but I guess there's apparently an archive full of stuff that I guess he owns or... | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's a time and a place for things, but there's also, you have to think that this guy was not running for president back when he was saying those things. | ||
| He was just being a silly man on a silly show where it's all about humor and being a good sport and playing a role, as Howard put it. | ||
| Maybe you're paraphrasing him, but I think that's pretty accurate. | ||
| Yeah, he was playing the game. | ||
| Look, he would have had an opportunity to get him in the mix again, more publicity for him, and he said, no, that's not what the purpose of what I've built here for the last 40 years is, and I'm not going to throw in on this garbage. | ||
| So, I thought it was pretty good. | ||
| Well, you know, I'm sure he probably realizes that if he ever decided to run for government in any form now, the same thing would be used against him. | ||
| But what does that say about the state of free speech? | ||
| And that's not him. | ||
| You know, who he is is when you ask him, what are your well-considered opinions on things right now? | ||
| And then, you know, whoa, in 1989, you said, you know, that this person's a monkey and, you know... | ||
| Think how fucking dangerous that is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So from the limited amount that I know you, you seem to me to be an extremely principled person. | ||
| You have a code that you live by. | ||
| You care about honesty and being forthright and all of that stuff, right? | ||
| Think of all the things that you've said here about doing drugs or sex or blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Someone like you would never want to run for president, ever. | ||
| Could you even possibly fathom Well, I wouldn't want the job, but if I did run, I don't want to, but if I did, they would definitely use all that stuff against me. | ||
| But that's why context is so incredibly important. | ||
| And this is also an incredibly new thing with human beings, being able to extract little sound bites from things that you've said, and whether it's a tweet from Justine Sacco or whatever the fuck it is, and then say, this defines you. | ||
| This moment, this one moment defines you. | ||
| This one moment where someone cuts you off and you go, Fucking cunt! | ||
| And you lay on your horn. | ||
| This is Dave Rubin. | ||
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That's it. | |
| Do you want Dave Rubin running your country? | ||
| What if that was your mom that cut off Dave Rubin? | ||
| What if that woman was headed to the hospital? | ||
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What if her baby was dying in the backseat and Dave Rubin called her a cunt? | |
| I mean, you know, that's the world we're living in. | ||
| You should be doing voiceovers for that stuff. | ||
| That was very good. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I'm trying to. | ||
| I'm just throwing a little whatever. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I just think that... | ||
| But that's the problem. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That you can't think of... | ||
| I mean, even... | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| All I'm doing right now is saying what I think as it comes out of my brain, right? | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| You're freaking me out. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild, but... | ||
| It's all freaking me out. | ||
| But that's all we're doing here. | ||
| But anyone, anyone that doesn't like us or wanted to discredit us or anything, and, you know, not to bring it back to Sam again, but you know the types of things that people with really awful intentions have done with misquoting him and all that stuff. | ||
| And that thing needs to be destroyed. | ||
| That outrage monster that will find one thing that you did or said once to then destroy every other piece of goodness that you've put out there must end. | ||
| And that is a big piece of what's happening here, too. | ||
| I also think discourse in particular, like discourse against Sam, is what a lot of people are doing. | ||
| They're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and they're using their voice to attack that high profile to make a move on the castle. | ||
| You know, it's like they're moving chess pieces around and they're using strategy and they're saying, well, he said this about Islam, you know, and do you understand how many billions of people are peaceful Muslims and how offensive this is to say that That's what they're doing. | ||
| They're taking these positions. | ||
| And they're also taking these positions in a weird way. | ||
| Because there's something about writing a blog that's a very cowardly thing when you're attacking someone. | ||
| Because they don't respond. | ||
| You want someone to respond back in a blog? | ||
| You're requiring an incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog. | ||
| But you know that, that it's a one-way dialogue. | ||
| Someone writes an attack blog on Dave Rubin. | ||
| That's a very cowardly thing, because what they're doing is they're sort of forcing you to respond by establishing a false narrative, or by portraying you in an unfavorable light, by taking things out of context and using them. | ||
| And a lot of people do it against me. | ||
| And it's funny when you read it, like, wow, this is weird. | ||
| Yeah, or that someone spent so much thought on extrapolating something that you said that you didn't either mean or it's like, wow, you really went deep on my psyche in a way that had nothing to do with it. | ||
| So you know this guy Mike Cernovich by any chance? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, have you had him on? | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| I'm going to smoke some pot. | ||
| Yeah, smoke some pot. | ||
| This is all freaking me out. | ||
| I'm getting freaked out forever. | ||
| I can't smoke the sativa. | ||
| Sorry, by the way. | ||
| So Mike Cernovich I've had on my show. | ||
| He's big within the... | ||
| He's the pro-Trump guy. | ||
| And I'll try to make this really deep so that you can really appreciate it, dude. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| From having him on, I got more shit than anyone else that I've had on. | ||
| Because you had him on? | ||
| Because he's thought of as part of the alt, right? | ||
| Apparently, he had tweeted like three years before I had him on the show. | ||
| I didn't even know who he was until about two weeks before I had him on. | ||
| But about three years before that, he had tweeted something that sounded like he was a rape apologist. | ||
| But it was either a bad joke or it was a little unclear or worded clumsily or whatever. | ||
| Do you remember what it was? | ||
| We can probably find it pretty quick. | ||
| But I don't remember exactly what it was. | ||
| But then suddenly, I got all these people saying, you see? | ||
| Ruben had a rape apologist on. | ||
| He must hate women or something to that effect. | ||
| And it's like, what you guys are doing is just... | ||
| You're picking, okay, so should I let you pick who I talk to? | ||
| And that's like, you should have the guy on. | ||
| You'll get a certain amount of hate for it, but you'll have a really interesting conversation with him. | ||
| Haven't you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way, and as you got to know them better and better, you found out some stuff they had said, and you went, whoa, hold on. | ||
| There's some things that people say that is just absolutely... | ||
| Inarguable. | ||
| You can't support it. | ||
| There's certain things that people have said that's inexcusable, right? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And you might come across those, too. | ||
| So I can see the point of taking some things, and maybe they might be even out of context, and using that to sort of, like, say, at the very least, consider this. | ||
| Sure, but as an interviewer, you or I are not held to... | ||
| If we had to basically vet every person that we ever sat down with for every thought that they had three years ago on Twitter, we would have a pretty fucking lonely life. | ||
| Well, I've had some pretty offensive people on, for sure. | ||
| I've gotten a lot of shit for the Milo interviews. | ||
| I've gotten a lot of shit for some other people that I've had on, too. | ||
| So Milo, I really like Milo. | ||
| I've had him over for dinner. | ||
| I've gone out with him. | ||
| I think he's a good guy. | ||
| He says shit that I would not say. | ||
| But it's working. | ||
| That's why we're talking about him, much like Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Much like what Trump has done. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then when they ban Milo, what do you do? | ||
| You make him stronger. | ||
| This drives an effect. | ||
| You make him stronger. | ||
| I spoke... | ||
| I did a speech at... | ||
| At UCLA with Milo, just a little back and forth chat thing. | ||
| They had all of these kids outside. | ||
| First of all, there were hundreds of kids trying to get in, but then there was this loud 200 kids literally blocking people. | ||
| So they're not against walls. | ||
| They don't like Trump's wall, but they're okay with blocking a wall for other people to exercise their free speech. | ||
| And they're dumping garbage cans and spitting on cops, getting in cops' faces with cameras, just begging them to just flip in a second. | ||
| Anyway, we have this great chat. | ||
| It was really funny, actually. | ||
| At one point, this girl, In the audience, she just busts about halfway through, starts screaming. | ||
| People didn't know she was a protester. | ||
| She gets in, she starts screaming, I hate you, I hate you, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So I stopped and I said, I bet you, actually, we were going to do a Q&A at the end, but I bet you right now, if you ask Milo one question that you really are burning, or make one point, I bet you he'll respond to you. | ||
| So I stopped the show, ready for this. | ||
| So I said, do you have one point? | ||
| And the girl just goes, I hate you! | ||
| And it was like... | ||
| Well, she's a kid. | ||
| But that's how stupid these people are. | ||
| Are they stupid or are they just kids? | ||
| Like, when you're talking about these kids that are protesting and stopping people from going into lectures or some of these crazy feminists that have... | ||
| You know the scene from the University of Toronto, very famous thing, where they had this guy. | ||
| They completely misrepresented his opinions on things. | ||
| And they had painted this guy out to be anti-female and anti-woman as some sort of a men's rights thing. | ||
| Which is a very bizarre thing. | ||
| You have to deny that men's rights are applicable. | ||
| If you can't be a feminist and also recognize men's rights. | ||
| It's very, very bizarre. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the big... | ||
| There's a thing going on where it's as much as trying to get back at the perceived winners of the world when you feel like you've been a loser of the world. | ||
| That's where I think white privilege is coming from and a lot of this stuff. | ||
| Not to deny that white people have it easier than black people in terms of dealing with racism. | ||
| But it doesn't mean that those white people are racist. | ||
| There's a lot of white people that are your allies. | ||
| Like, the real problem is the racists themselves, not people who aren't victim of the racists. | ||
| It's like saying that these people are lucky. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But painting it in some sort of a way, like, where these privileged people, they're assholes for allowing this privilege to even take place. | ||
| The problem is always singular. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| The problem is racism itself. | ||
| The racists themselves are the problem. | ||
| It's the individual, not the collective. | ||
| And this is what the left is doing that is literally destroying culture. | ||
| I think it's a wave, man. | ||
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I think it's a wave. | |
| And I think it's going to pull back just like waves always do. | ||
| I think there's cycles to things. | ||
| I mean, I think that's why we went from the 60s to the 70s and the 70s to the 80s. | ||
| I mean, it also responds to the condemnation of psychedelic drugs. | ||
| Sweeping Schedule One Act that passed in 1970, which was directly attributable to Richard Nixon realizing that a lot of what was going on, a lot of people that are coming after him, were part of the psychedelic movement. | ||
| All these Republicans started realizing, like, we have to stop this. | ||
| This psychedelic movement will destroy our culture. | ||
| You go from this Goldwater Republican era to all of a sudden you're dealing with freaks and hippies and Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, and they're like, stop the fucking fire! | ||
| And they just threw as much water on as they could. | ||
| They locked a bunch of people in jail and they created laws that made marijuana in particular and all these other drugs. | ||
| They demonized them so that they could go after the civil rights movement. | ||
| The people that were in charge of it, they got them for drugs. | ||
| And so they would go after all these different anti-war protest movements. | ||
| They would go after them for drugs too. | ||
| And that Schedule I classification of these things that weren't dangerous or deadly or killing anyone was directly attributable to a strategy where they were going after people that opposed the Vietnam War. | ||
| The going after people that imposed the administration clearly lying to them about all sorts of things. | ||
| And that was before they even knew that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, the original thing that got us into Vietnam. | ||
| So there's so much evidence. | ||
| That this way that people behave when they suppress things, that there's a direct response. | ||
| First of all, I mean, if you attack someone, they're wounded, they're damaged. | ||
| And then they rise up, and they go after that attack. | ||
| And that's what you're seeing with the alt-right. | ||
| And I don't agree with them on a lot of things they stand for, but I recognize it almost I'm not objective, right? | ||
| I'm a person. | ||
| I'm a human being like all of us. | ||
| I have my own shit. | ||
| But if I was outside of it, trying to look at it objectively, I'm like, oh, this thing goes like this and then it goes like that. | ||
| It's like a fucking swing. | ||
| It's like a pendulum. | ||
| It's like a yin and a yang. | ||
| It comes in and it comes out. | ||
| And I think one of the things that's happening with this alt-right movement and these people that are really super conservative and like, build that fucking wall! | ||
| Build that fucking wall! | ||
| What you're dealing with is a response to what they perceive to be too much openness from the Obama administration. | ||
| This fucking... | ||
| Look, Obamacare, I don't know enough about it. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I don't know enough about it. | ||
| But I have friends that are doctors who fucking hate it. | ||
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Yeah, I got a friend and doctor in Texas and he thinks it's destroyed his practice. | |
| Bit when they talk to you and they get red in the face, and then they have to stand back and take a drink. | ||
| I mean, I know people that lost their practice. | ||
| I know a chiropractor who lost his practice because of it. | ||
| So I think there's a lot of people that are upset at anyone who's the president. | ||
| Anyone who's the president. | ||
| If you don't get fucking shot... | ||
| I mean, this is a joke that I had from my last special. | ||
| Who do we like? | ||
| Kennedy and Lincoln. | ||
| That's who we like. | ||
| If you didn't get shot in the head, we're like, you fucking sellout. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| I think that that is just the natural reaction we always have. | ||
| And I think that's why we go left-right, left-right. | ||
| I don't think it's a coincidence that we go right from George Bush to Bill Clinton to George W. Bush. | ||
| I don't think that's a coincidence. | ||
| I mean, I think that's a very clear response where the government's like, well, now we're this. | ||
| And the people are like, well, that doesn't fucking work either. | ||
| Let's try this. | ||
| And then they swing back and forth. | ||
| Well, then what do you make of what's happening now? | ||
| She's very hawkish. | ||
| She's very hawkish. | ||
| So you think it actually is a swing back right? | ||
| I think there's two factors here. | ||
| There's the woman factor, which is gigantic because there's a lot of women that vote and a lot of men are fuck-ups. | ||
| They're probably going to vote. | ||
| I would imagine that women outvote men. | ||
| I really think they probably do. | ||
| I'm just totally guessing. | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| Yeah, I'd love to know some members on that. | ||
| But I would say that there's a slight advantage. | ||
| I would say that maybe it'd be like 46-54 for women, in favor of women, that more women vote. | ||
| But I think that what you have also is There's no good choice here. | ||
| So this is a very unique situation. | ||
| You have this really strong anti-woman feeling that a lot of these gals get from Donald Trump, especially now, right? | ||
| There's that. | ||
| Again, in that conversation that he had on that bus, I've heard way worse from some people that I love and cherish very deeply, and they're trying to be funny, and they're saying fucked up things that are totally ridiculously gross, and a lot of them are saying it because it's just you and me, and you and me, and we'll just talk some shit. | ||
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Yeah, and by the way, words are not actions. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what people need to understand. | ||
| If he did... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Women voted higher rates than men. | ||
| That might help Clinton in November. | ||
| See what the number is, Jamie. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
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What does it say? | |
| It doesn't say? | ||
| It has different numbers here for each state. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| This is not an overall? | ||
| Yeah, not here. | ||
| So the idea, though, that words are in action. | ||
| So I'm not defending the grab by the pussy and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And he was sort of saying that he had done it in the past. | ||
| So if there had been evidence that he had done those actions, actually assaulted a woman. | ||
| Well, there's no evidence unless, you know, a woman's vagina is not made out of Play-Doh. | ||
| It's not like fingerprints that are permanent forever, you know? | ||
| So that's fully legit, but you can't prosecute him for just saying it. | ||
| That's my point, is that words... | ||
| He said some shit that was gross, right? | ||
| But it might not have been true. | ||
| And that's my point, it might not have been true. | ||
| So, words and actions are two different things. | ||
| Now, maybe you can't prove those things, because yeah, they're not made out of Play-Doh, but... | ||
| That's still, until it's provable, you can get outraged by it. | ||
| I see your point. | ||
| The problem is that just relying completely on the burden of evidence being like physical proof, you're dealing with an act of people touching each other's bodies, and it's just there's not a whole lot of proof when it comes to that. | ||
| So I agree with that, but then what do you do? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Where does that put us? | ||
| Because we know that some people, when they give a rape allegation, we know that there's going to be a lot of people that are telling you the absolute truth as they remember it. | ||
| There's also going to be crazy people that make things up. | ||
| There's going to be some spectrum in between those two things. | ||
| Where you're going to have people that exaggerate situations, and I'm sure you've had any conversations that you've had with people that maybe you've had a disagreement and they go to someone else, and they completely refame the disagreement like you're a piece of shit. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| It's a common thing that people do. | ||
| We love to do it, and we love to do it for all kinds of things, and I've been guilty of it, and I'm sure you have, and everybody listening to this thing, I'm sure. | ||
| As we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how much is involved in it, the ego and personality conflicts and where you are in your life and your own stresses and frustrations and whatever the fuck is going on, whatever is going on in this big struggle that we're all involved in, right? | ||
| There's not always a very clear perception of how events went down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you have to take that into consideration. | ||
| You also have to take into consideration the fact they might be telling the truth. | ||
| We do not know. | ||
| So, it's not that there's no evidence, because there's people that are talking. | ||
| It's just, it's nothing you can put on a scale. | ||
| And we don't know how to read minds yet. | ||
| And the problem is, if you read minds, man, I've had some fucking memories of things, then I went back and looked at them, again, like a video of something, and I'm like, wow, I didn't even know I went to there. | ||
| We just went over that the other day. | ||
| I was talking about Tommy Hearns versus Marvin Hagler, which is one of my all-time favorite fights. | ||
| I would have swore it was a second-round knockout. | ||
| No, they went to a third round. | ||
| Hagler knocked him out in the third round. | ||
| I'm like, how the fuck did, in my mind, I would have told you, I'll bet you $1,000. | ||
| It was the second round, and I was wrong. | ||
| I remembered it. | ||
| I remembered it wrong. | ||
| There was moments in the fight where the fight's playing out. | ||
| And this is something that doesn't have any attachment to me in my life, obviously. | ||
| I'm not saying that someone's going to misrepresent their own memory. | ||
| Especially someone who's involved in some sort of a violent crime where they're the victim. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because I think... | ||
| That's got to be absolutely horrific, and it's entirely possible that some people can go through an assault or a crime like that and remember everything. | ||
| And then there's other people that cannot. | ||
| There's people that even black out horrible things because the memory is so disturbing to them that they have to block them out, especially molestations. | ||
| A lot of people go through that later in life when they realize what they were trying to suppress. | ||
| Your brain is literally trying to save you. | ||
| Yeah from these memories because they're too fucking painful so what it does is it buries them I don't know how it works. | ||
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I don't understand it, but no, it's real and then people suddenly at 40 they go wait a minute It's a proven effect It's a proven effect. | |
| So there's all these things that we need to take into consideration. | ||
| I think there's also the very real cultural benefit of having our first woman president. | ||
| I think culturally. | ||
| I just don't think that she's a good representative in terms of her need for financial compensation for speeches and the Goldman Sachs connection and the connection to the Saudis. | ||
| I also don't have a fucking clue as to what it's like to deal with foreign policy and foreign leaders. | ||
| And I don't know if that's even avoidable. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like, you know, people say, well, she's in bed with the Saudis. | ||
| They're saying, well, guess what? | ||
| The Saudis, whether we like it or not, who do horrific things and export all kinds of Wahhabism and real extremism and are bombing the shit out of Yemen and with our weapons and all kinds of stuff. | ||
| Well, she also took a million dollars from Qatar. | ||
| Qatar right now is using slave labor to build their World Cup stadium, which they may not even get the World Cup. | ||
| So... | ||
| It's like, why did they give her a million dollars? | ||
| It's for something. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| It's not for nothing. | ||
| You don't give a million dollars for no reason. | ||
| But that, again, goes to, like, we're seeing how all this shit is made right now. | ||
| And the simple fact is, if you're upset that she has a close relationship with the Saudis, then you gotta hate Obama for it, too. | ||
| Where I think a lot of these people are letting that slide. | ||
| I'm not even making a judgment call on it as much to say as... | ||
| There are things that are going on at extremely high levels for governments and that we just have to try to decipher some truth to it because we're not going to get it other way. | ||
| Saudi Arabia women can't drive. | ||
| They can barely go out without men. | ||
| They are stuck in, as Bill Maher says, beekeeper costumes in the burqas. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean all of these things. | ||
| Well, how could they possibly be our ally if we're four women? | ||
| If Barack Obama is four women, if Hillary Clinton is four women, how is Saudi Arabia one of our most stable allies that we give a ton of money to if that's what it is? | ||
| The only thing that I would take into consideration is that If I was trying to figure this out as an outsider, I would see there's got to be some benefit to keeping people like that connected to you and obligated to communicate with you and your friend. | ||
| But not just oil. | ||
| Also, establishing a non-combative relationship with a very, very wealthy Middle East country. | ||
| That there more could be done with honey than with vinegar. | ||
| You know, that this idea of being connected with those people, there might be some sort of a benefit. | ||
| Because they're so alien to us, and they're so dominant in their control over their environment. | ||
| Like, you look at these dictators in these foreign countries that we supported for so many years, and you can make the argument that they're horrible, absolutely terrible people that we should have nothing to do with. | ||
| You could also make the argument that that part of the world is so fucked up that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection to the people that are in power. | ||
| And then that might be the best way to keep everybody safe while we figure out a fucking strategy, how to deal with religious fundamentalist crazy people that literally have trillions of dollars at their disposal to do anything they want. | ||
| From the Saudis, by the way. | ||
| Yes, and not just from the Saudis. | ||
| I mean, there's a gigantic chunk of the Middle East that has so much money, it's incomprehensible. | ||
| And not everyone, just a few people, oligarchs, monarchs, and these people that have... | ||
| Look, in Abu Dhabi, they make it rain every week. | ||
| They make it rain. | ||
| Yeah, literally. | ||
| They literally seed the sky. | ||
| They do cloud seeding, and they make it rain. | ||
| Like, it's the desert, and they use their money to make it rain. | ||
| Like, not as strip club... | ||
| That wasn't hyperbole. | ||
| It was actually real. | ||
| Well think about Egypt is the best example of what you're talking about because Egypt for 30 years had Mubarak This was a guy. | ||
| He was a military guy backed by the United States horrible on human rights and all that other stuff But he kept control of the country basically kept their borders kept peace with Israel basically kept things under control I was in Egypt in 97 and it was pretty disgusting actually even going to the pyramids it was the pollution was terrible and It was the people weren't friendly like I would love to go back. | ||
| I have a friend there now who I Who's a youtuber this guy Joe who probably will show his face. | ||
| He's an atheist and a free thinker. | ||
| Whoa If I could ever get him to the United States, you should have me here the guys really he's great and he does that like freely and openly in Egypt Sometimes he disappears for months and then yes, I He doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing, but when I had him on the show, I said to him, you know, if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask, you don't have to show your face. | ||
| You know, you do whatever you want. | ||
| And he said, no, I want to show my face. | ||
| So, anyway, they had Mubarak for 30 years. | ||
| He kept the Muslim Brotherhood. | ||
| They were illegal under the time. | ||
| Then they have the Tahrir Square Revolution. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| We, partly, they depose of Mubarak. | ||
| They get the Muslim Brotherhood through democracy. | ||
| And then a year later, they realized these guys are way worse. | ||
| So what they got from democracy was way worse. | ||
| So then what happens? | ||
| The military then steps in and then has a coup, overthrows the democracy, and now they have a military leader again. | ||
| The United States the entire time supported all of that. | ||
| So it's like, this is the problem with democracy, and we know this from Iraq, too. | ||
| It's like, you can give democracy, but if the institutions aren't there ready to support it, You could get a lot of bad people then, and then, you know, it's just, it's over. | ||
| Like, what the hell's going on? | ||
| You mentioned Benghazi before. | ||
| We got rid of Gaddafi, who is obviously a bad dude. | ||
| Do you have any idea what kind of government there is in Libya right now? | ||
| Nobody knows. | ||
| It's a scary state. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a state of chaos. | ||
| Right, so it was a state before that. | ||
| Are you aware of Amber Lyon? | ||
| And Amber Lyon, when she was working for CNN, and she did a piece on Bahrain. | ||
| Notice I said Bahrain like an American, not Bahrain. | ||
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Bahrain. | |
| Bahrain. | ||
| Thank you for dumbing that down for me. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| I just don't want to be pretentious. | ||
| I was born in New Jersey. | ||
| Like when Obama says Pakistan. | ||
| Pakistan, yeah. | ||
| Or Latinos. | ||
| Latinos. | ||
| Well, now you have to say Latinx. | ||
| So that you're not... | ||
| It's not Latinos. | ||
| That implies men. | ||
| Or Latinas implies women. | ||
| Now you say Latinx. | ||
| Because if you're a fucking idiot... | ||
| Why don't we call ourselves humex instead of humans? | ||
| It's coming. | ||
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You just started it. | |
| I like it. | ||
| I'm a humex. | ||
| That sounds dope. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What kind of species are there? | ||
| Humex. | ||
| Yeah, there's male and female humex. | ||
| If you say human, right? | ||
| It's so rude. | ||
| It's rude. | ||
| Why not human, woman, man? | ||
| History? | ||
| What about her story? | ||
| I mean, come on, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| What about her story? | ||
| So Amber Lyons, because of her stories, she does this investigative piece on Bahrain, and CNN completely turns it into a vacation and tourism commercial. | ||
| They cut out all the bad stuff, aired it, and... | ||
| I don't remember if she... | ||
| Jamie, do you remember if she got fired or if she went up resigning? | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| That sounds like a resigning, if she was pissed. | ||
| I don't remember if she was fired or if she resigned. | ||
| I'm sorry, I don't remember. | ||
| But the point is, she came on my podcast, she wrote a book, and she sort of explained what would really go on when you try to put together these pieces. | ||
| In defense of CNN, I know they had a rebuttal to what she said, and they disagreed with her framing of it, her memory of it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it sounds to me like whatever stuff that she found that was very questionable did not make the air. | ||
| And that's probably why. | ||
| I mean, the CIA has talked pretty openly about having people that work in different news organizations where they sort of frame the news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, look, that goes to everything we've been talking about. | ||
| This all seems to be coming back to this idea of the online world and the old school thing. | ||
| They're like starting to have parody now, where what we're doing is as influential. | ||
| You, Joe Rogan, is more influential than anybody on CNN in reality. | ||
| In the reality of... | ||
| Yeah, but not Fox News. | ||
| That Megyn Kelly. | ||
| Megyn Kelly. | ||
| Man, she, Megyn Kelly. | ||
| She's so hot. | ||
| If you weren't gay, dude, you would understand. | ||
| I'd still do it. | ||
| I'd still do it. | ||
| That's how hot she is. | ||
| There's something violent about her. | ||
| Gay dudes were like, God damn, something violent, like masculine, like you would think of her as a man. | ||
| I feel like she has a big dick. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's in her brain, though. | ||
| It's in her brain. | ||
| She has a big dick in her brain. | ||
| I don't think it externalizes. | ||
| You know they're trying to give her $20 million and she hasn't accepted yet? | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| You go, girl. | ||
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She's great. | |
| Get that $40. | ||
| Get $40. | ||
| It's fucking worth it. | ||
| The network's useless without you. | ||
| Wherever she goes, I'm watching. | ||
| Isn't that crazy, though? | ||
| I mean, think about it. | ||
| She deserves it. | ||
| She's got perfect cheeks. | ||
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She does. | |
| She's got good cheeks, bro. | ||
| She deserves it. | ||
| She's a very good talker, too, man. | ||
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She's good. | |
| She's very eloquent. | ||
| Did you see that thing that you went at it with Newt Gingrich? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Newt Gingrich is a fucker, isn't he? | ||
| He's, you know, I have a little bit of a love-hate thing with him because I do think he's really smart. | ||
| He's very smart. | ||
| The guy's really smart. | ||
| He understands, like, when I talked before about, like, knowing what the role of government is and all that stuff that we should know more about in civics and all that. | ||
| Like, that guy gets it in and out. | ||
| And whether you agree with his politics or not, he did do some stuff with the contract to America to, you know, move the country in a certain way. | ||
| I'm actually surprised he hasn't run for president. | ||
| Well, he ran four years ago, and they basically remember at that point when- Oh, that's right. | ||
| That was the whole ding with his wife, and he left his wife when she was sick, and married another bra, and then- But, you know, in a weird way, he was the precursor to Trump, because do you remember that during those primaries, he would be, you know, he was really good with zingers and with some comedy, and he would get the audience to applaud and cheer and boo, talking about the media, ah, the media, and they'd boo and hiss, and then suddenly the moderators started saying every time, there'll be no booing or applauding or, And it's like, sit there like a fucking robot. | ||
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It's 1984. You can't express your disdain. | |
| That's American. | ||
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They do it now. | |
| Booing and cheering is American. | ||
| They do it now in the debates. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| They'll be... | ||
| Silence! | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| Because she'd be in jail. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Because you'd... | |
| Oh, you'd be in jail. | ||
| Because you'd be in jail. | ||
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Boom! | |
| That was, in my mind, the best bomb ever dropped on a presidential debate. | ||
| Next to, I knew Jack Kennedy. | ||
| You're no Jack Kennedy. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah, it's a great line. | ||
| Against Dan Quayle. | ||
| We don't even remember who the other dude is. | ||
| That was Lloyd Benson. | ||
| Ah, that's right. | ||
| Lloyd Benson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Politics... | ||
| Doesn't that seem like another... | ||
| That seems like something else. | ||
| You talk about parallel universe. | ||
| It doesn't that... | ||
| I watched... | ||
| This is going to be corny as hell, but about two weeks ago, I was sitting Saturday afternoon, I'm just flipping the channels. | ||
| C-SPAN comes on. | ||
| They're replaying the 1992 debate between George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton running for the first time, and Perot. | ||
| And I watched about a half hour of it, like three o'clock on a Saturday, and it really was like being in an alternate universe. | ||
| It felt so different. | ||
| They were actually talking about economics. | ||
| Ross Perot with his... | ||
| And it was like, wow, there was actual, it was about politics. | ||
| Maybe it was completely fucked up. | ||
| Maybe it was all bullshit and lies and all that stuff, but it was about politics. | ||
| And that was only, what is that? | ||
| That's 20 years ago, basically. | ||
| Yeah, this is a different era. | ||
| This is the reality TV show era. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to have this joke that I never figured out how to get to work, but it's sort of just an observation. | ||
| That there's so many people with shows where there's just a... | ||
| Like, this is like when Jersey Shore was around. | ||
| Like, we're going to have a show one day where it's going to be a reality show about a reality cameraman. | ||
| And then we're going to follow that guy around as he goes to all these exotic places and films these people, getting drunk on the beach. | ||
| And then one day we're going to want to know, who's the man behind the camera behind the man behind the camera? | ||
| And then we're going to follow that guy around. | ||
| He's going to get a reality show. | ||
| It's going to be a reality show about a cameraman who's on a reality show about a cameraman who's a reality show cameraman. | ||
| The spin-offs are endless. | ||
| And then it's going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera, like two mirrors facing themselves with infinite cameramen in each direction. | ||
| That's what we have right now. | ||
| That is some good weed. | ||
| Well, this is what we have, though. | ||
| It is good weed, but it's an old bit that I never figured out how to get to work. | ||
| But the point being is, like, this is what we're experiencing. | ||
| This is what we're experiencing with phones. | ||
| It might not be on a network, on Bravo, coming up next at 8. It's Mike, the cameraman, on a reality show. | ||
| It doesn't have to be by a network. | ||
| It is what you're having with something like Periscope. | ||
| It is what you're having when people are live Facebook streaming from amusement parks or whatever the fuck they're doing. | ||
| It's a reality show. | ||
| How do you blend how much of your Joe Rogan, the actual human, versus Joe Rogan, the public person? | ||
| Where do you put that line? | ||
| Like in terms of periscoping from home or showing... | ||
| I don't do home stuff because they're not public people. | ||
| My wife and kids aren't public people. | ||
| They don't want to be. | ||
| They're just regular people. | ||
| Just because they know me doesn't mean I should drag them into this nonsense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just think... | ||
| All of us could do better with a little less interaction digitally. | ||
| I think it's happening so fast that, you know, like we're talking about people at restaurants that are constantly on their phone, and when you check them on it, they get upset. | ||
| I've been upset. | ||
| People tell me to put my phone down. | ||
| I'm like, I gotta do this! | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| It's a natural reaction I think we have. | ||
| I think all of us are going to eventually, though, step into that great divide in the future Is going to be everybody all the time connected to everybody all the time, and it's going to be very weird. | ||
| I think it's going to change thought. | ||
| I think we really are going to become like some sort of a bizarre hive mind. | ||
| Well, they do. | ||
| They've done studies where the internet already, when they look at internet addicts, that they find that the wiring in their brain actually has changed. | ||
| It's changed certain synapse. | ||
| It's actually caused, like, membranes to shrink and to all kinds of stuff. | ||
| Last... | ||
| I think it was May. | ||
| For eight days, I never take off. | ||
| I don't remember the last time I took some actual time off. | ||
| I took eight days off, went to Mexico. | ||
| I locked my phone in a safe. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Actually, my husband did it. | ||
| Locked the phone in the safe. | ||
| I did not know the code. | ||
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| And for eight days, I sat on a beach. | ||
| It was at an all-inclusive place in Cabo. | ||
| That's like bondage. | ||
| It was literally the dirtiest thing we've ever done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Digital bondage. | ||
| You want that phone? | ||
| Yeah, it was really, it was wild. | ||
| Dirty. | ||
| But for eight days, I had no phone. | ||
| And I kid you not, I mean, I felt my brain kind of resetting. | ||
| You know, I felt some things happening. | ||
| And also, I felt more patient. | ||
| I felt like, you know, in conversations where, you know, not like this, but where you're constantly just distracted by every little thing. | ||
| Like, I got away from it. | ||
| And then when I got back on the grid, you know, because immediately the second I got off the plane and I was, you know, doing my thing... | ||
| I realized, wow, you know, the world went on. | ||
| It was alright. | ||
| It was actually okay. | ||
| Yeah, I missed some shit. | ||
| Something happened on my show that got a lot of news. | ||
| I didn't know about it for eight days. | ||
| But, like, the world went on. | ||
| Yeah, it was just like some shit happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like I said, I'm not trying to judge people who are using these things, using these devices. | ||
| I'm just trying to talk about it as honestly as I can. | ||
| Because I think it's almost inevitable. | ||
| But I think for your own personal good, it has to be managed carefully. | ||
| I think you have to take audit of all the stuff that's in your life. | ||
| And if you spend, like I have... | ||
| An hour and a half just reading through tweets about like almost nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just looking for something interesting. | ||
| Just constantly scrolling, looking for something interesting. | ||
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Like... | |
| Step away from that thing. | ||
| Because you're impulsively, me speaking, me talking to me, impulsively checking images on Instagram. | ||
| What cool shit do people post up? | ||
| What interesting MMA news is out there right now? | ||
| What is the latest trending topics on Twitter? | ||
| After a while, what the fuck am I doing? | ||
| How about my life? | ||
| What about me as a person? | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| I'm not even paying attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's why I framed it like that, between Joe Rogan, the public person, and then actually the human that has to go ahead and live and do this operation and have kids and a wife and all those things. | ||
| Those are two separate things, and yet you've got to bring them somehow into harmony so that they can exist together. | ||
| A big one's meditation and thinking. | ||
| Meditation and thinking about what you actually want to do versus what your momentum is leading you towards. | ||
| For me, it's isolation tanks. | ||
| That's the big one. | ||
| I have one in my basement. | ||
| I use it all the time. | ||
| I think about things there in an undistracted way, and I take an evaluation of how I'm thinking. | ||
| I always like it. | ||
| It's one of the things that people don't like about getting high, and it's one of the things that people don't like about isolation tanks. | ||
| Or yoga class, too. | ||
| I was talking with my yoga instructor the other day. | ||
| She was saying it forces people to examine their shit. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It forces you to look at your stuff when you're struggling. | ||
| And yoga seems so easy when you just say the word. | ||
| It seems like something, oh, you're just grabbing your feet. | ||
| No, it's fucking hard, man. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| That room is 104 degrees. | ||
| Speaking of fucked up, did you see that HBO Real Sports thing with that Bikram guy? | ||
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No. | |
| They interviewed Bikram yoga guy. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| They're taking his name off their yoga studio now. | ||
| Oh, he's killing people? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He's just like a crazy fuck who was saying that all these women, you know, have lied because he's been accused of sexual assault and that people pay a million dollars for one drop of his sperm. | ||
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He's like, one drop of my sperm, one million dollars they pay. | |
| Like, he's crazy! | ||
| I mean, he's a guru, right? | ||
| He's this yoga guru who's responsible for... | ||
| It's really an excellent sort of analogy to how weird and fucked up human beings are. | ||
| That we are not perfect in any way, shape, or form. | ||
| You have this guy who brought this thing, this Bikram Yoga, to America. | ||
| And he didn't create it. | ||
| It's been around for thousands of years. | ||
| And he tried to sue people for the patent and all the movements he lost. | ||
| He was like, you can't patent yoga. | ||
| But this guy has brought yoga in sort of... | ||
| Promoted yoga to who knows how many millions of people. | ||
| He's like one of the most directly responsible people for promoting this stuff. | ||
| But then you see him as a person. | ||
| You're like, oh my god, he's a crazy fuck. | ||
| He won't let people go to the bathroom. | ||
| You have to sit there and listen to him talk. | ||
| And if you have to go, you're gonna go in your pants. | ||
| Like, it's all like cult shit. | ||
| He makes him stay up all night and watch Bollywood movies. | ||
| He's a crazy man. | ||
| He's got Rolls Royces and shit, and they busted him with all these cars. | ||
| And he said that he was going to open up a school for children to learn automobiles. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| So that's why he bought these Rolls Royces. | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| The school for underprivileged children with Rolls Royces. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| But that goes to the worship thing that we were talking about and that's like we see these people worshipping Hillary or worshipping Trump and it's like they are not going to solve all your problems and not only are they not going to solve problems, they shouldn't. | ||
| The president should keep the roads safe. | ||
| The president should make sure nobody bombs us. | ||
| The president should make sure the economy keeps chugging along. | ||
| Just think about all those jobs that you just said. | ||
| How does one person have those three important jobs? | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| Well, you get a guy for the roads. | ||
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There's a guy. | |
| All of it's ridiculous. | ||
| You get the department of something or other. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta call him. | ||
| Hey man, you doing your job? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotta go check. | ||
| Are these roads working? | ||
| You gotta fly in Arizona. | ||
| Let me see the road. | ||
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Let me check the road out. | |
| But that's actually the point. | ||
| Like, they're not supposed to be our god. | ||
| They're not supposed to be our emperor. | ||
| They're supposed to keep the ship afloat. | ||
| But as human beings, as chimps, we want a god. | ||
| We want, yeah. | ||
| We want to bring JFK back to life. | ||
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We want to clone him. | |
| And even him. | ||
| He would never survive today. | ||
| All the crazy shit that guy was up to. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| He would have made Wiener look like a Catholic schoolboy. | ||
| If you gave him an Instagram account. | ||
| I think there's so many people like that that are complicated. | ||
| We have this narrative that's been created by film and by books. | ||
| We have this false narrative of this perfect human being, this John Wayne character who rides off in the sunset. | ||
| This Clint Eastwood, where, you know, Sandra Locke is always waving goodbye to him as he rides off. | ||
| You know, away from the Indians like this is all a false narrative and it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that and we kind of expect that out of our leaders instead of I think that's not the case in other countries like in Europe in particular right in Europe like in France like Politicians, they have fucking affairs and shit. | ||
| Berscaloni was like running a brothel or something. | ||
| It's Italy. | ||
| Italy is another example. | ||
| It's a different world. | ||
| We've developed a very strange culture over here in America. | ||
| Very strange and in a lot of ways confused culture. | ||
| Both in the positive and in the negative. | ||
| Both in the condemnation of things that people like Trump have said or people like Clinton have allegedly done. | ||
| And also our reaction to it. | ||
| Both of them were weird. | ||
| We're just fucking weird, man. | ||
| And I don't think we've really fully embraced our weirdness as a species yet. | ||
| I think that's part of the problem with being a president in the first place. | ||
| It's based on bullshit. | ||
| It's based on the idea that you can give people power and they won't abuse it because of an ancient scroll. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| Someone many, many moons ago, before electricity, they figured out how to make ink out of bugs and shit. | ||
| What did they use? | ||
| Charcoal? | ||
| What the fuck did they use to make ink? | ||
| I was going to buy the bugs. | ||
| That seems sensible. | ||
| They just dipped their quill into that, and they would write on a scroll, which, by the way, was mostly made out of hemp. | ||
| They used hemp paper. | ||
| Well, look, everyone is incredibly complex, and it has to do with, we're all flawed. | ||
| We all fail every day and succeed at other things. | ||
| You could look at Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| I was at, my cousin got married near Monticello in Virginia, and that's where his house was and everything, where he... | ||
| Where he lived and owned slaves and had sex with some of the slaves, and one of the slaves had sex with several of them, I think. | ||
| He was having a good time. | ||
| I bet he did. | ||
| But think about that. | ||
| He was writing the very laws that ultimately freed the slaves. | ||
| While at the same time, in effect, you could argue, and I'm sure people have argued this, that he was raping a slave because if it is about power, even if she was fully down with it, She was his slave. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But at the same time, he was also writing the very laws to free them. | ||
| That shows you how flawed all of us are. | ||
| That you could hate him for owning slaves. | ||
| You could hate him for having this relationship with this woman and all that. | ||
| And at the same time, he was instrumental in writing the very laws that made us all equal. | ||
| So that goes, and you could, that's why it's so dangerous when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our morality of today on other people. | ||
| It's on other times. | ||
| It's so dangerous because you could look at him and go, fuck that guy. | ||
| Let's erase every bit of history the way we did with the Dukes of Hazzard car and all that shit. | ||
| And that's crazy. | ||
| It's a thing that existed. | ||
| Confederate flags go back to the generally? | ||
| To the General Lee, yeah. | ||
| I think it should be on the car and TV Land shouldn't have taken the show off the air. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, Bill Cosby, I told you this last time I was here, like, that guy was my hero. | ||
| I went into comedy because I was five years old and I saw Bill Cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and, you know, Theo and Vanessa and the whole thing. | ||
| And I thought it was the funniest fucking thing ever and it changed my life. | ||
| It changed the course of my life. | ||
| Now my childhood hero is the biggest serial rapist of all time. | ||
| Of all time. | ||
| Yeah, that's depressing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's another great example. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| So really, think about what goodness. | ||
| You could absolutely draw a line between Bill Cosby and Barack Obama. | ||
| You can clearly draw a line that if Bill Cosby- That sounds so racist. | ||
| They're both black, so there you go. | ||
| No. | ||
| But you could draw a line to say that if that show had not been on NBC primetime and had he not done that middle-class, upstanding family that was incredibly funny and all the great stuff about Cosby, that that led to eventually, 20-some-odd years later, Barack Obama being president. | ||
| And at the same time, he was a horrific rapist. | ||
| Do you think that... | ||
| Like a lot of his morality, and this goes back to the sort of tide thing, the slingshot effect, that a lot of his sort of projected morality was to make up for the fact that he was drugging chicks and raping them. | ||
| So he was America's dad, right? | ||
| And he was also like the upstanding citizen for the black community to get upset if comedians would swear. | ||
| Yeah, that whole thing with Eddie Murphy. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and not just him, or not just Eddie Murphy, but I believe the same with Dave Chappelle. | ||
| I think he had a problem with Chris Rock. | ||
| You know, what he stood for was like this really conservative, really friendly, you know, we don't talk about dicks and pussies and all that stuff. | ||
| Like, he had a whole thing about, like, when he was really old, too, before he got caught. | ||
| It was a whole thing about, well, we talk about it, but we don't. | ||
| We don't hit on it. | ||
| You know what I'm saying. | ||
| Can every comedian do a Cosby? | ||
| It's not even that impressive. | ||
| That's probably the only second time I've ever tried it. | ||
| It's pretty decent. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It needs work, let's be honest. | ||
| But the point being is that this guy was the most vocal. | ||
| You never heard George Wallace tell other comedians what they should do. | ||
| You never hear that from Paul Mooney, maybe. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like you don't Well, I guess partly that may have been because Cosby became such a big institution. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It wasn't like, I love both those guys, especially George Wallace, I think is absolutely hilarious. | ||
| But he never got the level of mainstream success where what he says has some sort of cultural significance. | ||
| It stays within the comedy world. | ||
| Cosby got to the place of... | ||
| It's something else. | ||
| It's beyond what 99.999% of comics or any public figure actually gets. | ||
| He gets a place in... | ||
| You know, the scheme of history, so it's different. | ||
| Well, yeah, he was the best example of, like, the elevated person from this minority. | ||
| Like, the best example. | ||
| Very well-spoken. | ||
| He got a doctorate. | ||
| I think he got kind of a legit one, or he got an honorary one. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was legit. | ||
| The legit one was, like, from a paper that he had to write in graduate school or something like that. | ||
| See if you... | ||
| I think you got a legit one from New Jersey. | ||
| He's Dr. William H. Cosby, right? | ||
| That out to me. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, you can get an honorary doctorate just for your humanitarian work or because people think you're slick. | ||
| Well, Heathcliff Huxtable was an OBGYN, so... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Must have went to school. | ||
| There, must have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that... | ||
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| Ooh. | ||
| You see? | ||
| See, now, if you went to run for president, they'd go back to that. | ||
| They'd take that out of context and go, what the fuck, Dave Rubin? | ||
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| But isn't it? | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| It's sometimes referred to as Dr. Cosby. | ||
| He has his doctorate in education from the University of Massachusetts in Amherst. | ||
| He earned the degree in the mid-1970s, a thesis entitled Integration of Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids. | ||
| That's what I did my doctorate on. | ||
| How weird. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's a teaching aid and vehicle to achieve increased learning. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So that goes to your point. | ||
| A, was the public person really just defending the horrible actions of the private person, but also he clearly was trying to do good work. | ||
| Yeah, but here it says, but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since. | ||
| According to Michael Eric Dyson, a sociology professor at Georgetown University and acclaimed author of his Bill Cosby Wright and numerous other books, Cosby dropped out of high school after he flunked his 10th grade three times. | ||
| He enlisted in the Navy where he got his GED, then he enrolled in Temple, where he dropped out to pursue a show business career. | ||
| His unfinished bachelor degree from Temple was eventually bestowed upon him because of his life experience. | ||
| Cosby enrolled in a part-time doctoral student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, which awarded him. | ||
| See, so that's it. | ||
| So he dropped out of high school, came back, got his GED, enrolled in Temple, dropped out of that, and got a doctorate for writing about a cartoon. | ||
| But even the bachelor's degree, they're saying he got an unfinished bachelor's degree because of life experience. | ||
| So he didn't get that degree reality. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Wow, that's wild. | ||
| So both of them, so it's not entirely true. | ||
| I mean, he did get a degree, but obviously there's an asterisk attached to that. | ||
| Yeah, but separating it from that, it's like that thing that you're talking about is pretty powerful stuff. | ||
| That he was doing this horrible shit, and yet he enriched so many lives at the same time. | ||
| Literally at the same time that he was doing this horrible stuff to these women, he was bringing so much goodness to the country. | ||
| That's deep. | ||
| It's fucking deep, and that's people. | ||
| I think the sooner we recognize how flawed The better we're going to be off. | ||
| And I think, also, this is another thing that I've talked about on stage before, but it's a real issue. | ||
| I don't think human beings are designed to take in the data from media. | ||
| I don't think we can truly distinguish the difference between false narratives and fiction. | ||
| I mean, I know we can. | ||
| You know when you go to see a fucking movie, you know it's a movie. | ||
| You leave. | ||
| Well, that was a good movie, man. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Can't wait for Doctor Strange 2. Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| We know it's a movie, but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to, even though we have to separate it and move it around, that impact is there. | ||
| We're designed to follow like the tribal leader, this old guy with scars who's fucking survived battles and he has wisdom and he knows the poems and we sit around the fire and we follow him because of actual real live accomplishments and real live things that we've seen. | ||
| This is how he stays alive. | ||
| This is how you stay alive. | ||
| There's only 30 of us, okay? | ||
| We got fucking bear skins on and we're living in a cave and we don't have much time. | ||
| We gotta follow that guy. | ||
| He knows how to stay alive and we might not make it and this is a very real concern because we know tribes that are gone, right? | ||
| So this is like how human beings develop for fucking thousands of thousands of years, if you believe in evolution, when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to his cell phone. | ||
| There's a lot of steps along the way. | ||
| And in those steps, we developed a lot of these human reward systems where you get used to and look forward to certain things, because those things, those rewards will keep you alive. | ||
| Whether it's being attractive to females, you will spread your DNA that way. | ||
| You must be concerned about this. | ||
| Whether it's overcoming the adversaries, because if you don't, they're going to kill you. | ||
| You have to stay alive. | ||
| You gotta be fit. | ||
| You gotta be fit. | ||
| You have to figure out how to stay quiet when you're hunting. | ||
| It's one of the reasons today why women enjoy gossip and men enjoy quiet and why the two are sometimes incompatible. | ||
| There's a design. | ||
| Women are designed. | ||
| They were trying to keep the fucking tribe together so they sit around washing clothes. | ||
| Did you hear this dirty bitch fucks everybody when we go to sleep? | ||
| That's where it came from. | ||
| And with the men, they're out in these hunting parties. | ||
| They're like, everybody shut the fuck up, okay? | ||
| Let's pay attention. | ||
| We've got to stay close here. | ||
| This is the whole reason why there's a difference in the way these two behave. | ||
| This has all been well-established by sociologists and by people who have studied human behavior. | ||
| I think that where we're at now, with movies and songs, you're getting this data in a way we don't know how to process. | ||
| We obviously can rationalize and go, well, I know that's just a song, or I know that's just a movie, and I know that Indiana Jones isn't a real guy, and he wouldn't just survive every time the fucking bowling ball-sized boulder comes his way. | ||
| He would get killed. | ||
| The nuke that he got in the fridge in part four. | ||
| The fucking Ark of the Covenant. | ||
| How do you survive the... | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| There's a lot of shit going on in that. | ||
| I could accept that. | ||
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| That's supposed to be apocalyptic. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| It's supposed to be ridiculous. | ||
| He closed his eyes. | ||
| The darts. | ||
| Look the other way. | ||
| Look the other way from the nuke. | ||
| That's all you need to do. | ||
| Can't eat cancer. | ||
| He's got a fucking cool hat. | ||
| But those narratives and this life version is all data that's entering into the human consciousness. | ||
| And the more we expose ourselves to it, when kids are watching eight hours of fucking television, and people are constantly engrossed in their phones and all this two-dimensional data and video and all these different things on YouTube, the more that stuff gets into your mind, into your life, the less you're experiencing the actual life. | ||
| It's almost like a preparation. | ||
| For us being a part of this hive mind, these are the steps you take when you create this sort of new type of being. | ||
| This being that's integrated. | ||
| You're talking about the matrix, that we're slowly morphing into this thing. | ||
| And that's why people have to understand that what happens there isn't real yet. | ||
| So sort of jumping all the way back to that Leslie Jones thing, when people say mean things to you, I'm sure if you looked at your Twitter right now, somebody's probably saying something. | ||
| They will now. | ||
| Yeah, now they're gonna be really pissed. | ||
| You're a bully. | ||
| You told them to do it. | ||
| You see? | ||
| Get on Joe Rogan! | ||
| You've sicked them. | ||
| I've sicked them. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| There's a lot of mine or yours, so they'll turn it on me. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| I think we're all fine. | ||
| But point is that those words, it goes to that words-are-not-action thing, like... | ||
| So what? | ||
| Someone said something mean to you. | ||
| You gotta get over it. | ||
| So, for example, part of my... | ||
| This is gonna sound sort of corny, but part of my success in the last year is directly related to you, because... | ||
| Corny! | ||
| Because my show was... | ||
| For real, my show was taken off when I was on here last time, and by you giving it a little bump here, and then you've been real good to me on social media, you've helped amplify what I do. | ||
| And in the process of that, I now... | ||
| All my social media, when I scroll... | ||
| In a weird way, it's become sort of meaningless. | ||
| It's become all noise, because if 95% of it's good, which it usually is, well, then it's like, oh, there's another nice one. | ||
| It's nice, and it is nice. | ||
| You know, I'm not demeaning it. | ||
| You mean people giving you compliments? | ||
| Yeah, just saying nice things, or I like what you're doing, or retweeting what I'm doing, or whatever. | ||
| That's all nice. | ||
| And then the bad ones come in, and then, you know, for whatever reason, I focus on the bad ones more. | ||
| But then, it all becomes noise, and I'm just like, you know what? | ||
| I just have to do what I do. | ||
| And then let the rest of it be. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, you certainly probably, at this point, can't respond to everybody anymore. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| No, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's not fun anymore. | ||
| Part of the price to pay for a little success here is that the part that used to be fun when I would play around with people more on there and spend more time interacting, it's become such a calvacate of craziness that I just don't have the time. | ||
| I just don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else. | ||
| I have a lot going on, and it's like... | ||
| So that's been a little bit of a sacrifice along the way. | ||
| Yeah, but that just comes with the program. | ||
| Especially when you're thinking about the numbers of people that you're reaching. | ||
| Nobody ever had to do that. | ||
| Imagine if Johnny Carson had a Twitter account and he was trying to interact with all the fans or he got email, Carson at tonightshow.com. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Just look at all this fucking email. | ||
| How am I going to respond to these people? | ||
| If you don't, they get mad at you. | ||
| There are mentions on this thing. | ||
| But I think one good thing that's going on is people don't expect you to do that when you reach a certain number of fans. | ||
| I get way more messages from people that say, hey, I love the podcast or great job on the UFC or something like that. | ||
| Those kind of messages I get way more often than someone actually trying to get me to respond to things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I would like to do if I had that kind of time, but no one has that kind of time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| There's just a certain amount, and that goes to combining public person and private person. | ||
| There's a certain amount of bandwidth that your brain has that all of us have to do whatever it is we do. | ||
| The two of us could sit here for 24 hours in a row and just respond to things and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And it's like, your brain also has to be able to breathe. | ||
| Your spirit has to be able to breathe. | ||
| You have to live life. | ||
| And I think if you have anything to offer, and this is one of the things that I'm finding, it's kind of important to me, and I've tried to... | ||
| I've tried to engineer this in my own life in a way is that I've got to have as much life experiences or more than I do work Because like just working like if I just did podcasts every day I would have things to say because there's always something going on in the world But I think I wouldn't be doing my own perspective a service I think to do my perspective a service to be honest about it. | ||
| I need to experience things I need to live life. | ||
| I need to You know travel to places. | ||
| Yeah I need to do things that are difficult. | ||
| I need to get involved in a lot of activities. | ||
| I like to do different things. | ||
| First of all, because I enjoy them, first and foremost. | ||
| And I think embracing that I enjoy them benefits me in a great way, too. | ||
| Because when I do things that I enjoy, I get happy. | ||
| When I get happy, I work better. | ||
| And I think if I didn't do that, and if I didn't actively seek out, it's really easy for a lot of people to find this. | ||
| They get caught up in work so much that that's all they focus on. | ||
| And then I think you'd stop being the person who got to that position in the first place. | ||
| The person who got to that position in the first place got there because people liked what you talked about or what you thought about. | ||
| And the only way that even gets more enhanced is by experiencing things. | ||
| Yeah, and by the way, you don't have to go across the world to do that. | ||
| Even, I was telling you before we started that, so I just bought a house. | ||
| We're doing the home studio thing. | ||
| My fans are funding it. | ||
| It's like my dreams literally are becoming reality. | ||
| It's as validating as anything that has happened in my entire life. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| That's beautiful to hear. | ||
| Yeah, it's very cool. | ||
| You deserve it, too, man. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| And yesterday, I'm trying to hook up some speakers in the house, and I have some old-ass stereo that I've had forever, and I'm trying to hook this shit up. | ||
| And... | ||
| It was driving me crazy, but halfway through, after like three hours of fucking pulling things out of the wall and, you know, the old wires, the little metal ones that you gotta turn and jamming them into speakers and negative A's. | ||
| I used to love those. | ||
| You gotta twist that thing down, the red thing and the black thing. | ||
| So you got the red thing and the black thing and I'm jamming. | ||
| I mean, that's literally what I'm doing yesterday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm frustrated as fuck. | ||
| And then about halfway through, I was like, this is actually great. | ||
| My attention was so focused, turning those things, getting that thing in there, pulling one out. | ||
| Wait a minute, I had to run across the other, make the speaker work. | ||
| And this one, I have to run outside. | ||
| And it's like, that was actually great. | ||
| It was a moment completely where I set all my shit aside. | ||
| And I realized, I was like, wow, for the last hour... | ||
| I was fucking in this shitty-ass Yamaha stereo thing, you know? | ||
| And it was actually pretty great. | ||
| There's a zen in that, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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There really is. | |
| So you don't have to go across the world to do it. | ||
| Just doing something that there was meaning in me doing it. | ||
| I didn't want to hire someone to do it. | ||
| You know, like, I want to figure this thing out. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| I think there's definitely something to that, but I went to the Vatican this summer, and I think it was more fun than you installing your stereo, and I think I learned more about people and looking at, you know, St. Peter's Basilica than I ever would have done, screwing together some fucking wires and sticking them into some box that makes noise. | ||
| I bet I can beat you on that, because many years ago, I believe around 97, I think it might have been the same trip that I ended up in Egypt, I went to Amsterdam, I, like, basically shroomed for, like, eight days, and then we wanted, so my buddy and I, we wanted to take... | ||
| That made my feet numb. | ||
| We wanted to take shrooms to Rome to trip at the Sistine Chapel. | ||
| So listen to this. | ||
| We get on the train, you know, it's like an overnight train, I don't know, probably 12 hours to go from Amsterdam to Rome. | ||
| We got boarded. | ||
| The train got boarded by like, I don't know, like border police or something. | ||
| Yeah, something. | ||
| So we were like, what are we going to do? | ||
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What do we do? | |
| So we ate the evidence. | ||
| So we literally ate the shrooms on the train. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Like enough for one person each. | ||
| Like not like a crazy amount. | ||
| But we're on an overnight train in like one of those little couchettes where you're sleeping with two people above you. | ||
| So we're both on the bottom in a tiny little room with four Italians. | ||
| Tripping balls for hours and hours and hours. | ||
| We get to Rome and we went right to the Sistine Chapel, which you have to walk through like a lot of other chapels kind of to get to. | ||
| So I wasn't fully tripping, but I had just enough. | ||
| Just enough in the Sistine Chapel. | ||
| Beat that! | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| So I tripped through four countries, because I tripped through the Netherlands, I tripped through Belgium, something in Italy. | ||
| There's another one in there. | ||
| What else would be in there? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it all sounds... | ||
| Florence? | ||
| Did you go to Florence? | ||
| I went to Florence, but that's in Italy. | ||
| Yeah, you said something else in Italy? | ||
| Is that what you just said? | ||
| It was Belgium. | ||
| Netherlands is where I started. | ||
| Or something other than Italy? | ||
| Is that what you meant? | ||
| I don't know what I said. | ||
| I don't know what you said either. | ||
| It was a good time, that's the point. | ||
| Like, were you visualizing? | ||
| I had just, you know, when you have just enough of the visuals, like just a little moving, you know, just a little something. | ||
| I was stone cold sober inside St. Peter's Basilica and I freaked out. | ||
| I was just thinking about the sheer effort involved in making something so insanely huge and how many hundreds of years it took to build it. | ||
| We had a great guide. | ||
| He was really smart. | ||
| He was a professor, and he spoke fluent English and fluent Italian, and he was a local professor who did this on the side. | ||
| And when someone was really enthusiastic about the history of it, he lit up like a Christmas tree. | ||
| So me and this guy had some awesome conversations. | ||
| He stuck with us for like an hour, like five or six hours. | ||
| And then we went to dinner with him afterwards. | ||
| And, you know, he was just so... | ||
| He so loved the artwork and the culture and the history of it. | ||
| It was like, it was so infectious when he was talking about it. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| You don't have to be religious, per se. | ||
| I'm not a believer. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
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Right. | |
| I believe in things that can be proven. | ||
| If someone could prove something to me, then I would believe it. | ||
| If you told me that LeBron James dunked from half court, well, I'd need to see video. | ||
| You know, like I wouldn't just... | ||
| You did? | ||
| Well, hot damn, you know? | ||
| So why wouldn't I apply that same logic to the biggest questions of the universe? | ||
| But even not being a believer, you can acknowledge that the work that these people had to do, that maybe they felt some divine spirit, they felt something in themselves that I can't explain or whatever, That there's an incredible power to that. | ||
| I mean, go to Jerusalem. | ||
| You can look at the Western Wall is literally, you know, the holiest site in Judaism is adjacent with the Temple Mount. | ||
| The Dome of the Rock is right on top of that, the third holiest site in Islam. | ||
| And if you walk five minutes the other way, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre where Jesus was crucified is right there. | ||
| I mean, so whether you believe in this stuff or not, it... | ||
| The facts on the ground exist, and you have to acknowledge that some people find meaning and value in that. | ||
| We could argue whether that has been a destructive force throughout time or... | ||
| Well, I think in a lot of ways religion is like Bill Cosby. | ||
| It's both. | ||
| You know it's it's helped people and it's hurt a lot I mean religion has been responsible for some horrible atrocities and not just one religion like many many religions but like many many groups of power many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for themselves they protect themselves ruthlessly especially when they have massive amounts of power that doesn't make any sense in the world like when you look at Any sort of a coup or any sort of a usurping of power, | ||
| like it's someone who has massive amounts of power and someone else wants that massive amounts of power and they conquer them and take over them. | ||
| And it's always like this spectacular chaotic event. | ||
| And that's what human beings sort of... | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They establish positions of power, and then they abuse them. | ||
| And they're almost begging for some better, smarter person to come along and take it from them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think about that sometimes, even when I'd be walking where I used to live in West Hollywood, where it's next to Beverly Hills. | ||
| It's a nice area. | ||
| And that all these people are sort of walking... | ||
| There's nice shops there, and everyone kind of looks good. | ||
| So it's sort of where they go to the gym, they tan, they get... | ||
| They're like they're all working on themselves all day doing their own thing and it's and you're right it's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that there is something else happening there is a real power play happening in the world where there are forces that want to change things either for what may be better for you or worse for you or whatever and most people just ignore it because it's a lot easier to get lost in Twitter or watch the Kardashians or country club kids of the world that's That's what we are. | ||
| We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world that don't realize the consequences of flying drones into Yemen and bombing wedding parties. | ||
| You know, there's like the consequence that's attached to those people. | ||
| It would be so significant if it was happening on this patch of dirt. | ||
| But since it's happening over there, we don't think of it as a big a deal. | ||
| Could you imagine what would happen if someone from another country had flown a drone over the United States and accidentally bombed some sort of a wedding party in Phoenix? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Could you fucking imagine? | ||
| Imagine if one rocket flew over Mexico's border to El Paso or La Jolla. | ||
| We'd bomb Canada. | ||
| I mean, you know what I mean? | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| It's so crazy when you think, and I get it. | ||
| As I said before, I'm not against every... | ||
| State secret. | ||
| I understand that some shit has- there are rules that are beyond what the average person- But why are they? | ||
| They're only that way because there's no transparency in these other countries, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And once all these countries develop this new level of transparency where you can't hide shit, you can't lie, you're gonna do one of two things. | ||
| Either you're gonna say, look, I'm Genghis Khan, I'm running this motherfucker, and you're gonna put in the whole thing. | ||
| I mean, what Putin is doing right now is old-school dictator stuff. | ||
| Kills his rivals publicly. | ||
| He assassinates his rivals. | ||
| Did you see the fucking assassination attempt on him? | ||
| No. | ||
| You haven't seen that? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| On Putin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
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How did I miss that? | |
| Someone made a suicide attack on his car, but his driver was in the car and not him. | ||
| This guy drove high-speed, head-on, right into Putin's car. | ||
| When was this? | ||
| How the hell did I miss this? | ||
| Two weeks ago? | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, two weeks ago. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| A move takes a lot out of you. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Watch this car. | ||
| See the guy in the middle? | ||
| He's doing that so he could hit Putin's car. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| He knew where the car was, and he drove in the median and then turned towards Putin's car to try to kill him. | ||
| Wait, can you throw that up one more time? | ||
| See, watch the median. | ||
| Watch the middle strip. | ||
| That guy is there planning this. | ||
| Then he sees the car and turns right into him. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Holy shit is right. | ||
| It killed the driver. | ||
| I think it killed both guys. | ||
| See if it killed both guys. | ||
| But Putin was not in that car. | ||
| But that's his favorite driver. | ||
| Fucking bananas, dude. | ||
| So, I mean, that's Game of Thrones. | ||
| Right, that's to the point. | ||
| This is modern Game of Thrones. | ||
| This is shit happening, yeah. | ||
| But all these other people, these are the people that are protected by the Dark Lords that run the kingdom. | ||
| And this is just the modern version of shit that's been going on since the beginning of time. | ||
| So then that said, does that give you any empathy for what Clinton has to do to get there? | ||
| Well, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Not necessarily empathy, but a vague understanding of how ignorant I am about how the world works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weird place to sit, I suppose. | ||
| And, you know, here's the defense of Clinton, the major Clinton, Bill, because, you know, not a defense of whatever he may or may not have done physically to all those people that are accusing him of things, but about the speeches that he does and all the money that he's trying to acquire. | ||
| People forget how ruthlessly prosecuted he was by Kenneth Starr while he was in office and how crazy all that situation was. | ||
| Who was leading it? | ||
| Newt Gingrich, who, as we said before, was having an affair off his wife that was dying. | ||
| Yeah, and then there was that other guy, the strategist. | ||
| Who's the Republican strategist that was involved? | ||
| Ken Melman? | ||
| No, that was a George W. Bush guy. | ||
| Rove? | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah, Karl Rove. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Karl Rove is a part of it, too, right? | ||
| Wasn't he involved? | ||
| Was he part of the Clinton thing? | ||
| Maybe he's not. | ||
| Maybe I'm confusing, because Karl Rove is definitely a part of the Jeff Gannon story. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't, you know, I don't know what that could have possibly been like for them, but I know that when Bill Clinton got out of office, apparently he was deeply in debt because of his legal fees. | ||
| And the whole thing was just like off the chart. | ||
| That was one of the things that Hillary talked about. | ||
| Like she had said that when they left, when he left the office, they were dead broke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he obviously found ways to capitalize on it and did it. | ||
| But could you imagine being a guy who's a former president and is, how old was he at the time? | ||
| Like maybe in his late 50s? | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| And fucking, not just dead broke, but beaten down by public scandal, and you're in debt to the tune of who knows how many dollars, and you've lost all your money to legal cases because you're fighting off impeachment by all these crazy people that want to prosecute you for doing shit that pretty much every president has done since the beginning of time, whipped his dick out, and people just start sucking it because they're the fucking king. | ||
| Because it's crazy to be in that position in the first place. | ||
| And who cares? | ||
| Well, people do care because he lied. | ||
| If you rape people or whatever, then that's one thing. | ||
| But I'm just talking about just the general. | ||
| If the president's having affairs, who gives a fuck? | ||
| Is the country working? | ||
| Is it this thing basically not going towards the iceberg? | ||
| Then okay. | ||
| But here's where it's curious. | ||
| He didn't get prosecuted because he lied. | ||
| Because obviously Obama now, we now found out that he lied about the emails from the WikiLeaks. | ||
| He lied to the American people. | ||
| It is a small lie. | ||
| It is a white lie, I guess you could say. | ||
| I mean, it might not be the worst lie. | ||
| Well, Obama's wasn't under oath. | ||
| Clinton's was. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| That was going to get to. | ||
| But the difference being that he didn't raise his hand and put his hand on the Bible and say, do you solemnly swear to tell the truth? | ||
| I have to know you're really honest, like now. | ||
| This is the time where you can't lie anymore. | ||
| So we have this crazy rule that if you do lie during that time, it's so different than when you lie about what FBI Administrator Comey, or whatever the fuck his title is, Comey says about what you did versus what you think you did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or whether it's who knows what other things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whether it's how many fucking cell phones she had or Benghazi or whatever. | ||
| By the way, you have your team destroy all your old devices with hammers and bats after, right? | ||
| We actually did take some old hard drives out to the gun range. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, and I put some 300 Win Mag rounds into them. | ||
| That'll show them who's boss. | ||
| We did it because we were going to get rid of them anyway. | ||
| They were old. | ||
| It was old bullshit. | ||
| And I said, be fun to take these to the range. | ||
| Just blow them apart. | ||
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Nice. | |
| So we took them out there and I was sighting in my rifle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Boom! | |
| We should see what it does to one. | ||
| I'd like to try that. | ||
| You would like to try that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would do that with you sometime. | ||
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Alright, let's do that. | |
| I'll shoot some computers. | ||
| Yeah, some old laptops. | ||
| You know what I did today? | ||
| I got off the Apple tit. | ||
| I got my Apple laptop here, but I bought a Windows laptop just to see what's going on. | ||
| They still make those? | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| They make a Lenovo ThinkPad. | ||
| That's what I got. | ||
| I always liked ThinkPads. | ||
| I had one a long time ago, and I was like, let's see what the newest ThinkPads look like. | ||
| They still have that little red thing? | ||
| Yeah, that little nipple that you play with? | ||
| The nipple? | ||
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It's still there? | |
| They still go with the nipple? | ||
| Yes, they have the nipple still. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I got a P50, Lenovo ThinkPad P50. So anyway, I get this ThinkPad, and it has Windows 7. Well, the newest Windows is Windows 10. So I try upgrading to Windows 10. Oh, jeez. | ||
| Three and a half hours later, after two fucking live chats with people, they can't figure out how to get it to work. | ||
| Two different people I'm talking to with tech support. | ||
| They can't figure out how to get it to work. | ||
| It's still got Windows 7 on it. | ||
| I spent three and a half hours this morning. | ||
| Not as therapeutic as my little Yamaha session. | ||
| It was fascinating. | ||
| I didn't lose my temper. | ||
| I have a laptop. | ||
| This one's got a lot of space taken up by porn and stupid shit and fucking pool videos and a bunch of dumb stuff from my phone. | ||
| And I was saying, well, I should probably get a new laptop. | ||
| Why don't I see what Windows 10 is like? | ||
| So I figure if you buy a new laptop, well, for sure it's going to have Windows 10 on it. | ||
| No, it had fucking Windows 7. Windows 7. Where's 8 and 9? | ||
| I didn't know that they did anything after 95. I thought it was Windows 95 and then that was it. | ||
| Well, I heard Windows 10 is good. | ||
| I've heard it reviewed by tech people, so I'm hoping to see what the fuss is all about. | ||
| But I've been... | ||
| At least I think it might be like going... | ||
| Going to a really shitty job for a while and then coming back to your regular job and going, God, this is so much better. | ||
| Isn't it funny how sometimes, like, for as connected as you may be, sometimes some technology just kind of gets past you and then you realize you just, like, missed something. | ||
| So for the last, like, five years, I've been using Firefox. | ||
| I'm using Firefox. | ||
| Nothing would work. | ||
| Videos would freeze. | ||
| Audio would freeze. | ||
| I couldn't open three windows at once. | ||
| A whole bunch of shit. | ||
| And then my director, Amira, saw me clicking Firefox. | ||
| And she was, you know, she's 23 or 24 and she was laughing hysterically like, you fucking idiot. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Why are you doing that? | ||
| And then she said, you got to get on Chrome. | ||
| And I was like, no, that can't be any different than Firefox. | ||
| I thought everybody was on Firefox. | ||
| Like, for as much as I'm in this thing, I don't know, I got on Firefox and I just was there. | ||
| Chrome is the shit. | ||
| So now I'm on Chrome and guess what? | ||
| You press play, you know what happens? | ||
| Shit plays. | ||
| Shit plays! | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm a big believer in the Google. | ||
| And one of the things that I've been thinking about is getting off the Apple tit and using an Android phone and a Windows laptop. | ||
| So I'm going to try that over the next few months. | ||
| This is the beginning of the end. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think being frustrated would be such a bad thing. | ||
| I mean, I think at the very least I could call people and go, dude, I don't think I could send you a text anymore. | ||
| Something's going on. | ||
| You send me pictures. | ||
| I can't find them. | ||
| That's a great way to get off the grid. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I heard when people send you pictures on those Google phones, like they go into a folder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like if someone sends you a picture and it's attached to your text message, the picture like automatically goes into a folder and may not even exist on the text stream. | ||
| Like I don't get it. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case or not. | ||
| I don't even live like this. | ||
| I'm going to find out. | ||
| I want to see what's going on. | ||
| I'm going to try that. | ||
| Google has a new phone called the Google Pixel. | ||
| Heard about it. | ||
| And it's very highly received by tech dorks, the people that really know what the fuck they're talking about, unlike me. | ||
| And they really like the camera. | ||
| They really like the speed, the pure Google experience because nobody fucks with it. | ||
| It comes straight from them. | ||
| They don't have a third-party software built into it. | ||
| So I'm going to see. | ||
| We'll see what's going on. | ||
| Because I think you just stay on the apple tit all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when people send me a text message that's all green, I get a little envy. | ||
| I'm like, this person's out there just rebelling. | ||
| They're out there being wild and sending text messages, not an iMessage. | ||
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Just this morning when I was dealing with the Yamaha. | |
| I'll show you I'm not making this shit up. | ||
| See, I'm just a real big fan of Google in general. | ||
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See? | |
| Took a picture of a wire and it came back green. | ||
| I thought, what's this guy know that I don't know? | ||
| This guy's got green. | ||
| He knows. | ||
| He knows things. | ||
| Or he doesn't. | ||
| Or he's poor. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| He's actually unemployed. | ||
| It was very sad. | ||
| It could be that he's just a crazy person. | ||
| He doesn't trust Apple. | ||
| But there is something fucking weird about those blue things. | ||
| And then if someone's got another kind of phone and it's green, it's like, oh, they're an outsider. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's green. | ||
| They don't even send you a blue one. | ||
| Why do you have different fucking colors for different people that have different phones? | ||
| I don't like where that's going. | ||
| I don't like that feel. | ||
| Well, the other thing is, you know, it's that 1984 commercial that Apple did in 1984 where they were fighting Windows at the time. | ||
| They were fighting Microsoft. | ||
| But the idea that the bigger Apple gets and the more we just instinctively go to it. | ||
| And by the way, I say this with all due irony because I got the iPhone 7 the day it came out. | ||
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Yeah, I got one right here, dude. | |
| It's awesome. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But, you know, the more that we all do that, you actually incentivize them to not innovate. | ||
| Because they know that if, because this phone really, the reality is this phone that we both have right now, it barely is different than the 6, right? | ||
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How dare you? | |
| Who are you? | ||
| I'm getting edgy now, we've been talking for a while. | ||
| It's a little better. | ||
| A little better, but a little better. | ||
| And maybe a little worse. | ||
| I like the physical button and I do miss the headphone jack. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Sometimes I want to have a headphone plugged in while I'm in my car so I can talk to someone with a thing dangling from my ear because it's way easier to hear them than it is through speakerphone. | ||
| Or what if you want to charge your phone and use headphones. | ||
| And listen to it at the same time. | ||
| Yeah, I don't agree with what they're doing. | ||
| And I don't agree with what they're doing with laptops either. | ||
| Where they're getting rid of USB and now they have some new type of USB. Like, come on, man. | ||
| This isn't any better. | ||
| But the thing is, that goes to my point, if they know that you're going to buy this shit no matter what, and they knew the day they put this out, they're going to make X amount of hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more. | ||
| So the more that we instinctively just go to them, the actual less they have, there's less incentive for them to give us good, innovative shit. | ||
| Because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it, and we all do it anyway. | ||
| I also think that it's probably important to support competition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think once they reach a point where the tech people are saying, this is the best phone. | ||
| Like a lot of the people that have reviewed the Google Pixel, they're saying, I have ditched my iPhone for this. | ||
| This is the best phone in the market. | ||
| Finally, for the first time, an Android phone. | ||
| I don't know if they're rooting for Android, and so they may have a biased opinion. | ||
| I might try it. | ||
| These guys are out of their fucking mind. | ||
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Right. | |
| But we're going to find out. | ||
| I'm going to find out about Windows 10, and I'm going to find out about Android. | ||
| I'm going to give them both a shot. | ||
| I've decided that recently. | ||
| I was like, this is just too instinctive a move for me to just go to Apple. | ||
| I remember when I was on news radio. | ||
| It's when Apple wasn't really even that good. | ||
| It was before OS X, which was the big operating system change where it went to a Unix-based system. | ||
| It was like, it would freeze up before. | ||
| No memory protection. | ||
| You couldn't really multitask correctly. | ||
| It didn't have what they call preemptive multitasking. | ||
| So, like, the tech people didn't appreciate the Mac platform until OSX. And then OSX had this really, like, responsive user interface. | ||
| It was very cool. | ||
| Little animation things would happen when you click on things. | ||
| And I saw that and went, whoa! | ||
| Okay, I'm gonna try it. | ||
| I'm gonna try it. | ||
| So that's when I jump back over from Windows to Mac again. | ||
| And there's so many people that get in these clans. | ||
| It's like we were talking about with Republicans versus Democrats. | ||
| There's a lot of clans. | ||
| Like, when I was on the set of news radio, one of the guys, this is back when Mac sucked, one of the guys was like, you know, do you hear our sales are up? | ||
| Our sales are up? | ||
| And he's talking about, like, Macs. | ||
| I go, our sales? | ||
| He's like, sales of Mac, because he'd wear Apple t-shirts and shit. | ||
| He was such a dork for it. | ||
| I didn't know Bill Gates was there, Steve Jobs was the key grip on news radio. | ||
| He's a creative guy, behind the scenes guy, but he was so excited about Apple sales being up. | ||
| I'm like, dude, this is weird. | ||
| You're getting weird with me. | ||
| We've got new MacBooks are coming out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Don't you have a computer? | ||
| Like, what the fuck are we doing, man? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| We've become slaves to these machines. | ||
| Slaves. | ||
| But then it was like Apple was the underdog. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a different experience. | ||
| Well, that's what I mean. | ||
| That 1984 commercial, their whole point was you all bow down to Microsoft. | ||
| And we are the upstarts. | ||
| We're the people that are going to break the system, break the matrix. | ||
| Think different. | ||
| Think different. | ||
| And now it's like, think the same. | ||
| And not only is it think the same, and if you don't think the same, there's something wrong with you. | ||
| You got a green text. | ||
| What the hell's wrong with you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, Apple, for all the cries of everybody with Trump and the taxes, because everything these days is somehow linked back together, you know, Apple pays virtually no corporate taxes. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And what's his name, the head guy now? | ||
| Tim Cook. | ||
| Tim Cook basically was like, yeah, when they rewrite fairer tax laws, we'll bring our money back here. | ||
| Now, for some reason, nobody's upset by that. | ||
| We don't see people throwing iPhones out the window. | ||
| Well, the problem is they have a responsibility as a gigantic corporation to the people that hold their stock. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There's a weird thing that happens with corporations. | ||
| They're public. | ||
| People own stock in it. | ||
| You have a direct obligation to your stockholders to make a profit. | ||
| So doesn't that prove Trump's point, though? | ||
| It does. | ||
| It proves his point because it's like, all right, I'm doing what's legal. | ||
| At the end of the year, when you go to pay your taxes, I'm pretty sure you tell your accountant the same thing that every sensible person does, which is do whatever is legal and I want to pay the least amount of taxes. | ||
| That's all everybody does. | ||
| That's why tax shelters exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So again, he hasn't released his taxes, so that's shitty. | ||
| And by the way, he's lying when he says the thing about auditing. | ||
| His whole thing is, well, I'm under audit, so I'm not going to do it. | ||
| But then the next sentence at the last debate, he was like, you know what? | ||
| I'm under audit, but I won't do it. | ||
| But if Hillary releases her emails, I'll release my taxes. | ||
| And it's like, oh, well, which is it? | ||
| Well, I think it was the Goldman Sachs speeches, wasn't it? | ||
| No, he said emails. | ||
| He said emails. | ||
| So he's lying, you know, it's just a way of lying. | ||
| I'm under audit, which there's no technical reason that you couldn't. | ||
| But then he says, but if she does hers, you know, that thing, I'll do it. | ||
| Well, there's no technical reason, but that's his argument. | ||
| Like, while they're auditing him, he's not going to do it, because he doesn't have to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, which does make sense, like, if they are auditing him, like, why he wouldn't want to, like, open it up to public discourse. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right, so that in itself may be legit, but the idea that, but if she releases your emails, I'll forget that whole thing with the audit and I'll go ahead and do it. | ||
| Don't you think though that that would, if he did release his taxes while they were auditing him, it could possibly affect, for sure, because it would affect public opinion. | ||
| We know for a fact that public opinion has had a big impact on things that may, you know, if people didn't get outraged about it, maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move in a certain direction. | ||
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Right. | |
| But that's the point, is that if you feel that this stuff is broken, that the tax system is broken, and all these guys that can hide money in offshore accounts, if you think all that's broken, don't be upset at the businessman who used it. | ||
| Now, that doesn't mean what he was doing was ethical or whatever. | ||
| Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. | ||
| That's a different conversation. | ||
| But you have to be upset at the people who put the laws in place that allow this to happen. | ||
| Any businessman just uses the system as it exists. | ||
| So when all these people are like, well, Trump makes his ties in Mexico. | ||
| Yeah, he's a smart businessman in that regard. | ||
| He uses cheap Mexican labor. | ||
| If you're upset that that is the reality, then be upset at the people who set up those trade deals. | ||
| But isn't the issue really not that he does his stuff in Mexico? | ||
| The issue is that he does it in Mexico, but he only pays people a tiny amount of money. | ||
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Sure. | |
| If somebody opened up a plant in Mexico and paid people American wages, there would be no incentive whatsoever to go to Mexico. | ||
| We should have laws as human beings in what we allow, and not just in America. | ||
| You can't just say you go past this line. | ||
| There's a rock over there. | ||
| Once you pass that rock, you can pay them seven cents an hour. | ||
| But over here, we got 11 bucks, you fuck. | ||
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Right. | |
| You're on Team America, World Police. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm not defending the ethics of his business practices. | ||
| I'm just saying, as you said, they're beholden to their stock shares and their holders and all that stuff. | ||
| So I'm just saying, if he didn't do anything illegal, then he just played the system. | ||
| So you should be angry at the system. | ||
| And you can say he's immoral or took advantage in a way that a more or less unscrupulous business person may not have, and maybe that's the type of person you would want to work with and not a Donald Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's why this is really complex. | ||
| And instead, people look at the ties in Mexico and they go, see, he's a hypocrite! | ||
| And it's like, not quite the truth. | ||
| Well, he is a hypocrite. | ||
| No, no, he's a hypocrite for many other reasons. | ||
| But for that, he's a hypocrite. | ||
| I mean, he's talking about if corporations go over to Mexico, we'll fine them to the tune of 35%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, but you're already there. | ||
| If you're running for president and you're making your ties over there, you should stop. | ||
| Because you're saying there's something wrong with a company taking their stuff and moving over there and profiting from it and taking jobs out of America. | ||
| If you do it, I've already done it. | ||
| I'm doing it right now. | ||
| But if you do it, I'm going to fine you. | ||
| So you're making a distinction there that in the course of this, he could have said, I'm not going to do it anymore. | ||
| To show you that I'm going to be moral, or whatever you want to call it, ethical or whatever, I will stop. | ||
| But isn't the ethical, moral way to do it to just pay them more? | ||
| Yeah, of course, but that's... | ||
| Unfortunately, we live in a reality that, you know... | ||
| That's what a law someone should pass. | ||
| That as human beings that live in the United States and the world, the United States of America, one of the most fortunate countries, if not the most fortunate in the world, we will respect our American privilege and, you know, not be willing to subjugate people that live in impoverished countries to, like, taking advantage... | ||
| Don't take advantage of their unfortunate circumstances. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like if you're living in a very poor third-world country and a Nike factory opens up or whatever You can't as a as a person who is aware that they have the best like Location roll the dice that's available today. | ||
| You're living in America. | ||
| You're born here The fact that you're going to make someone in some other country work essentially with slave labor. | ||
| The phone you buy, this fucking iPhone that I have in my hand, is made in a factory where they have nets around the factory because so many people have tried to kill themselves that they made it where they catch you in a fucking net when you jump off the roof because they were cleaning up bodies off the ground. | ||
| And when people defend it, they defend it in the most bizarre way. | ||
| The defense is, yeah, but the percentage of people that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit suicide in the culture. | ||
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Yeah, but they live at the factory! | |
| They live at the factory, yeah. | ||
| They're making no fucking money and they live at the factory and they're jumping off the roof. | ||
| You can't defend that. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that goes to the sides. | ||
| Everyone's picking a side. | ||
| Well, they're just going after this guy. | ||
| They're going after this guy. | ||
| And there's validity to what they're saying, even though they have a phone that was built by slaves. | ||
| There's still validity in what they're saying. | ||
| And not only that, I mean, I had Shane Smith from Vison one day, and we were talking about the Coltan. | ||
| Coltran? | ||
| Coltan that they had to take out of the ground in the Congo? | ||
| And how, you know, the way they were getting a lot of the elements that they use in cell phones. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Fucking complete slave labor and child labor. | ||
| I mean, it's scary, scary stuff when you get down to the nitty gritty of how things are manufactured and constructed in order for us to get them at a reasonable price. | ||
| And it's just really spooky that we're willing to do that. | ||
| Yeah, it's just that we just synced up there. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| Partly, it's just the unintended consequences of wanting things. | ||
| It's also the unintended consequences of having this business model of unlimited growth. | ||
| And what we're talking about, about Trump. | ||
| Having a sort of responsibility to its shareholders just like Apple having a responsibility to their shareholders like this this thing of unlimited growth places morality at the end of the list of Motivations for what you're doing and there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that takes place when you have a gigantic group of people They call themselves a corporation. | ||
| You're just a little piece of that corporation It's not like Dave Rubin's out there making people work for 13 cents an hour and No, it's Microsoft or it's, you know, Hitachi or, you know, fill in the blank. | ||
| I don't know if those companies do bad things, but whatever company it is. | ||
| Apple. | ||
| It's paying people ridiculously low wages. | ||
| I mean, that is what it is, you know? | ||
| The corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones, and you have to figure out a way to get them. | ||
| And can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years and just fucking casting them out? | ||
| Can you do that? | ||
| Yeah, but they're good. | ||
| They do a good job. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| How about you cut them off and you make asshole face to the right, work four extra hours a day. | ||
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Right. | |
| So then you take instead, think of all the executives and all the mid-level people that they've got up in Cupertino making absurds amount of money. | ||
| I'm not just talking about the shareholders who cashed in. | ||
| I'm talking about all those Silicon Valley guys making absurd amount of money. | ||
| I don't begrudge any of them any of that money. | ||
| But imagine if all of them who could live incredibly well on... | ||
| 10% of what they have and funneled some of that money to the same people making their shit. | ||
| I'm not a socialist, so I'm not even saying this would be the right thing to do in any way. | ||
| But like, those people all walk around with a pretty clean conscience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, while they have, you know, the fancy, you know, they probably all have Teslas and all that shit. | ||
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And the people that are literally making the shit, not just the ones coming up with the ideas in Cupertino, because they always say we're in It is interesting how we really distinguish very clearly the difference between the person who has the idea and the person who puts the idea together with their fingers. | |
| That's not nearly as valuable. | ||
| But without that person putting it together, it never gets done. | ||
| The manufacturing process does not just include the people that buy the machines. | ||
| That includes the people that work for the people that buy the machines. | ||
| But the people that buy the machines get so much more money than the people that work for them. | ||
| And then the people that design the plans and give them to the people that buy the machines, they get even more money. | ||
| They get the most money. | ||
| The people who design the idea is most important. | ||
| And I don't know if that's because of the nature of the thing, that it's set up that way because those are the people, the people at the very top are the ones that are going to expand this weird thing that we're doing, expand this technological sort of progression, this ongoing wave of improvement and innovation that we demand. | ||
| We demand new, better versions. | ||
| iPhone 7's a piece of shit. | ||
| When's the 8 come out? | ||
| Dude, the 8's going to have HD reality built in. | ||
| The question really at the end of the day is, are any of us happier? | ||
| Are any of us more functional? | ||
| Are any of us more... | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what have we done here? | ||
| What have we done? | ||
| If they were to gauge happiness of the average person who had the exact same physical attributes as you that grew up in the same town you grew up in in 1950... | ||
| Versus right now, is there any quantifiable difference? | ||
| And I would guess that basically it's no. | ||
| That doesn't mean this thing hasn't done incredible things, because Tahrir Square, all the revolutions that haven't really worked out the way they're supposed to, but it connected people all over the world. | ||
| And that's pretty awesome. | ||
| So it does, of course, it does great stuff. | ||
| But in terms of what are we actually chasing constantly, as you said, there's no end, because once it's always profit... | ||
| Well, we got new, new, new, new, new. | ||
| So you're not chasing happiness. | ||
| You're not chasing fulfillment. | ||
| You're not chasing, you know, whatever the end game of the human experience is. | ||
| You're just chasing something. | ||
| I don't think it's for humans. | ||
| I think it's for the next thing. | ||
| I think we're setting it up for the next thing. | ||
| We're the little workers that are building the shop for the machine overlords. | ||
| Oh man, we're the guys with the nets. | ||
| Yeah, we're the guys with the nets. | ||
| We just don't think we are. | ||
| Our thirst for technology is probably connected in some way to this thing wanting to emerge. | ||
| And that as we become more and more materialistic and interested in the latest and greatest, we fuel this innovation. | ||
| We're a part of it, whether we like it or know it or not. | ||
| That's why, as a human being, it's very frustrating and confusing when you're addicted to technology, when you're caught up in it and locked away in it. | ||
| And for me, I find that the only way I stay happy is by being involved in very physical things. | ||
| Like, and I think that's one of the reasons why record numbers of people are depressed today. | ||
| I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements, their biological human requirements. | ||
| For me, exercise is gigantic. | ||
| Meditation is also gigantic, which I also consider a very physical thing because it's a focused concentration internally. | ||
| Versus on whatever bullshit is on my fucking Twitter feed or whatever Facebook feed or dealing with some nonsense about a job You don't really give a fuck about instead of that I'm focusing on things that are important to me like the management of the actual mind itself mm-hmm I think Putting yourself in competition scenarios, putting in things where you have to perform under pressure. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Because then it's like this high-level problem-solving thing that you're doing all the time, and it makes regular life seem so much more easy to manage. | ||
| And regular dilemmas are nothing compared to a fucking 190-pound man who's built like a gorilla on your back trying to choke you to sleep. | ||
| That reminds me of the gym in West Hollywood, actually. | ||
| You see what I did there? | ||
| Dave Rubin, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| But I think, regardless, it's happening. | ||
| It's happening to us regardless. | ||
| My nonsense in talking to you about switching to Windows 10 and a fucking Google phone, it's bullshit. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| It's not going to fix anything. | ||
| And I'm not trying to. | ||
| I'm not claiming to. | ||
| I'm not claiming that I ever possibly could or have the influence. | ||
| But what I'm saying is, you as a human being have an obligation to yourself To extract that happy juice out of your body in a positive way. | ||
| And I don't think we're designed to sit at desks. | ||
| I don't think we're designed for fluorescent lights. | ||
| I don't think we're designed for movies. | ||
| And all those things are great. | ||
| All those things are great. | ||
| But you've got to manage the amount of exposure you have to that shit. | ||
| You have to manage the amount of exposure you have to fictitional narratives. | ||
| You have to manage the kind of exposure you have to electronic influence. | ||
| It's just like you have to manage the type of people that are in your life. | ||
| We're around people that are complaining all the time. | ||
| If you're just around people that are just whining, like, oh my god, another day. | ||
| I'm sure you didn't see the movie, but there's this kid's movie about... | ||
| Inside Out. | ||
| And it's about this girl's brain. | ||
| It's a little kid's movie I saw with my daughters. | ||
| But it's a little kid's movie about this girl has these characters in her brain. | ||
| One of them's Anger. | ||
| And Louis Black plays Anger, which is fucking awesome. | ||
| And the other one is Sadness. | ||
| And Sadness is like, whoa, everything's so sad. | ||
| And everything sadness touches becomes sadness like everything turns blue It's kind of an interesting movie because it's funny. | ||
| It's entertaining But it's also it's kind of there's a lesson to be learned for children that like you can you can Marinate in those fucking thoughts you can allow those thoughts to influence and touch all these different aspects of your life Or you can figure out how to stop them like understand what they are These are these are these thoughts or it's almost like a living thing like a life force and that living thing can grow if you feed it but But if you don't feed it, you push it aside, and you feed the positive thing, you can manage that little fucker. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Might not ever go away, because you're not living in a movie. | ||
| But you could definitely manage it way better than you're doing if you don't take conscious decisions of what kind of energy you let into your life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we all know people that are addicted to their own pain, or their own trauma, or their own story. | ||
| And no matter what you do, you know... | ||
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They love it. | |
| And they love it. | ||
| They love it. | ||
| We all have relatives like this, or friends, and it's like... | ||
| You gotta do the work. | ||
| It is work. | ||
| Life is work. | ||
| It is endless. | ||
| It's endless till it's over, and then you may regret not doing some of the work. | ||
| It's also... | ||
| It's not like there's no options. | ||
| There are options to thought patterns. | ||
| And if you just allow these deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind, where you immediately fall into complaining, and the woe is me, it never works out for me... | ||
| Someone sent me a text the other day comparing two people. | ||
| The same thing happened. | ||
| Two people were at the same event. | ||
| And one person had this horrific, like, oh my god, this is terrible. | ||
| This is the worst. | ||
| This is such a waste of my time. | ||
| And the other person was, well, it hasn't been good yet, but hey, there's still time! | ||
| Exclamation point. | ||
| Smiley face. | ||
| I'm like, this is a perfect example of the difference between two different people in the exact same experience having two different patterns that they allow their brain to go down. | ||
| Now, what if you find out that guy's on Zoloft? | ||
| Does that change it for you? | ||
| That's an issue, right? | ||
| And that's what a lot of people do. | ||
| And again, this is not to disparage people who have legitimate mental imbalances where they need medication. | ||
| I have a bunch of friends that have had that. | ||
| But the question with that is, is that nature a nurture? | ||
| What is causing these negative thoughts in your mind? | ||
| Is it a biological issue that you have because part of you is not working correctly, which is entirely possible? | ||
| Or is it you've embraced these negative thoughts and this negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences, and you've embraced it to the point where you're unable to take these positive thought patterns? | ||
| You almost have to go to a retreat. | ||
| They almost have to kidnap you and put you on some island somewhere where somebody talks to you and goes, hey man, this is life. | ||
| Right now is life. | ||
| You don't have to get back to that email. | ||
| I know you think you do. | ||
| You don't have to get back to those people that are negative that are in your life. | ||
| You don't have to. | ||
| This is life. | ||
| This right here. | ||
| Breathe in. | ||
| Breathe out. | ||
| You're alive. | ||
| You're also alive in... | ||
| Maybe the greatest fucking time the world has ever known. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| It's never been easier to get food. | ||
| It's never been safer to walk the streets. | ||
| There's never been more cool people to communicate with. | ||
| This is the best fucking time ever. | ||
| Like, don't go, woe is me, because some girl doesn't want to suck your dick anymore. | ||
| Can you just fucking stop and relax for a moment? | ||
| If you were a 90-year-old man living in Ecuador, you know, that his whole life he'd been forced to be a farmer working for pennies and eating fucking raw potatoes and shit, and someone gave you the opportunity to come here and be you now, how good? | ||
| God damn happy would you be. | ||
| You'd be so happy. | ||
| Well, that is you. | ||
| That's you right now. | ||
| You won the lottery, bitch. | ||
| Yeah, get to it. | ||
| You're still complaining. | ||
| 99.9% of the people listening have won the lottery in comparison to all the other people that they're going to come in contact with. | ||
| Or a lot of the other people. | ||
| In an interesting way, you're almost making a case though for people to, that the key to happiness in the midst of this technological monstrosity that we're part of, that the key really is to disconnect yourself from it. | ||
| And that comes with certain costs too. | ||
| I don't think to disconnect. | ||
| I think to have discipline. | ||
| I think for me, at least, my best happiness comes from when I have discipline in avoiding the technology or limiting my access to the technology and consciously choosing to do other things. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get involved in other hobbies. | ||
| Get involved in, you know, like whether it's yoga or archery or, you know, go run marathons or go, you know, get involved in, you know, go enter a jiu-jitsu tournament, go climb a mountain. | ||
| There's things that people do that are hard to do and you don't just do it to get to the top of the mountain, I think, or to, you know, finish that, cross that line that you decide you're going to run to. | ||
| You do it because your body requires it. | ||
| Your brain may require it. | ||
| Like you as a being, as an entity. | ||
| Problem solving and puzzle solving is a part of who you are. | ||
| Overcoming adversity is a muscle that's got to be exercised. | ||
| Because if it's not, then once the shit hits the fan, you fucking fall apart. | ||
| And we all know people like that. | ||
| That just when one bad thing goes on in their life, they become blabbering fucking idiots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's, I mean, that's why you gotta just push. | ||
| Like, you have no choice in a way. | ||
| I guess once you see that, which seems fairly obvious to someone if you're awake enough, once you see it, you gotta just push and push and push. | ||
| And you will fail, as I've said several times. | ||
| Like, you're gonna fail at it. | ||
| And I fail at it all the time, where suddenly three hours went by and I go, shit, I just stared at Twitter for three hours. | ||
| Right, you definitely could do that. | ||
| Literally just taking my dog for a walk. | ||
| Sometimes that would just reset it, and then I'd feel better after that. | ||
| And if you don't do that, it's taking that step. | ||
| Get yourself to take that step. | ||
| And just once you're doing something, it's usually pretty easy to do it. | ||
| Like once you're working out, it's pretty easy to be there. | ||
| Once you start like, oh, this is what I'm doing now, and I actually start enjoying it. | ||
| It's making yourself take that step. | ||
| There's a lot of times before yoga class where I'm like, I could just stay here and watch TV and fucking put my feet up and do nothing, man. | ||
| I'm feeling kind of sore. | ||
| Maybe I should relax. | ||
| Like your brain starts playing all these fucking mind games with you. | ||
| But when you do go to yoga class and you take that class and 90 minutes later you've lost fucking eight pounds of sweat and you've been freaking out and almost blacking out, when you get out of there you feel better. | ||
| You feel better. | ||
| You feel way better. | ||
| And it gives you also, I think, momentum and motivation to continue with the rest of your life, to keep pushing forward. | ||
| What do you think about the fact that you are your own boss also? | ||
| Because you pretty much, I know you have outside gigs too, but for the most part, probably 90% of what you do, I would guess, is you are in charge of the ultimate decisions, if not 100%, maybe. | ||
| Well, not the UFC. The UFC is my one job that I have. | ||
| And it's a job, but it's the greatest job I've ever had. | ||
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It's what you want to do. | |
| It's a super pleasure. | ||
| And it's also an honor, and there's a massive obligation to respect and represent the people that are competing in what I think is one of the most difficult physical endeavors in all of sports. | ||
| If not the most. | ||
| I think it's incredibly difficult to do, and I feel like I'm in a very privileged position to represent those people. | ||
| But yeah, I like it that I don't need it. | ||
| Yeah, I love that. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I like not having a boss, man, even though my boss is amazing. | ||
| That job is the greatest job of all time. | ||
| I like doing things when I want to do them, too. | ||
| But it's not like I'm lazy, so I push myself to do a lot of shit. | ||
| And I, you know, I have goals and I accomplish them or attempt to and I have, you know, commitments as far as like writing and performing and producing things. | ||
| But, yeah, being your own boss, man, if you could pull it off, is like the greatest thing ever. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it's not work anymore. | ||
| It's like you're working for yourself, but you're doing things instead of working. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you're not punching in. | ||
| I mean, I went independent in June, so I'm not even six months out of that. | ||
| And not only was it the smartest business decision I ever made, which partly was because I saw guys like you and Corolla and a couple other guys that I was like, wait a minute, they built great brands, they have their fans, and they're doing it. | ||
| I was like, oh, there's actual template for this if I built my audience correctly. | ||
| And I just took the risk and said, let's see what happens. | ||
| And We launched this Patreon campaign, which is where fans can donate per month whatever they want. | ||
| So you do like two bucks, you get a newsletter. | ||
| We have people that donate 250, and I Skype with them every month, and a whole bunch of different things. | ||
| I didn't know when I woke up the next morning after we launched it, it might have been over. | ||
| My career literally might have been over, just like that, because I quit my job. | ||
| I had no job, my producer had no job, my director had no job, no insurance, no nothing. | ||
| And I woke up, and our fans showed up, and they took care of us. | ||
| And because of that, now in the six months since then, now I bought this house, I'm building the studio, and we're figuring out all other ways to make deals and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| But I still wake up sometimes, this is what my point was, I still wake up sometimes and I'm like, wait a minute, do I have to answer to somebody? | ||
| Like, I have a feeling. | ||
| It's just a feeling, you know, like... | ||
| Wow, I can't believe this. | ||
| I make the decision here. | ||
| Well, kind of a way like that hunger, that fear to take that chance and to do things, that's like one of the best things you could ever have in life. | ||
| Because it's the motivator. | ||
| If you're not like a woe is me, I'm always going to be a loser. | ||
| If you're a person who really tries to do something, risk-taking is so goddamn critical because it forces you to action. | ||
| And it forces you to be inspired and to get fired up. | ||
| And that's when things really take place. | ||
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| And that's one of the things that Scott Adams has said sort of about the election is that there's such chaos now, but whatever happens after, out of chaos, something new will happen. | ||
| May not be good immediately, may not be bad immediately. | ||
| We don't know what that will be, but the chaos, the chance, the risk will now allow for something else to happen. | ||
| So all these people who, you know, all these pundits who got everything wrong for the last year and, oh, it's going to be Rubio, it's going to be Cruz, blah, blah, blah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, they'll now tell you everything else that's gonna happen for the next year, and they're gonna get all that wrong. | ||
| But, out of chaos, something happens, and that's what I realized. | ||
| I had a path. | ||
| I had a salary, and I was doing fine, and I liked working at Aura, and Larry King's been great to me, and it was all good. | ||
| But I just had this feeling of like, I gotta try this. | ||
| I gotta try this, and it worked. | ||
| I'd be in a very different position if it didn't work, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you don't wanna be that guy who just wishes they took that chance, and you're still working for some company, and they still treat you like shit. | ||
| I mean, because... | ||
| In that sense, you're the person making the phones. | ||
| You're not the person with the idea. | ||
| And the person with the idea, especially if you're a smart guy like you are, you do yourself a disservice if you don't express yourself completely fully and without any reserve or any reservations. | ||
| And when you work for someone, you always have a reservation. | ||
| You're always worried, man. | ||
| You're always, like, biting your tongue or flavoring your words. | ||
| Or, you know, they come into your office and go, Dave, you've been really hard on Clinton. | ||
| I think it's really important. | ||
| Mike, you know, the producer, he's got hashtag I'm with her on his Twitter account. | ||
| And we just want you to just think about doing that. | ||
| Like, criticize her if you choose to, but be balanced. | ||
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Be balanced. | |
| You're being real. | ||
| You're being silly, but you're also being real. | ||
| Those are the real conversations. | ||
| Because that is the real shit that's going on there. | ||
| Hashtag I'm with her. | ||
| You've got to have the hashtag. | ||
| Jeanette, the president of the company, is going to come down and talk to you about a lot of the things she said. | ||
| I don't necessarily disagree. | ||
| I've been kind of misogynist. | ||
| And maybe just a little bit unsupportive of women's issues. | ||
| And this company is very progressive. | ||
| And we really feel strongly that... | ||
| That's the kind of shit that you don't get to be Dave Rubin. | ||
| We're very progressive, so you should think exactly like we do. | ||
| You have to be Dave Rubin with a mortgage who's worried about losing his job. | ||
| That's not good for business. | ||
| It's not good for thinking. | ||
| It's not good for humans. | ||
| It's not good for the business of culture. | ||
| I don't mean business, but the endeavor. | ||
| The endeavor of culture. | ||
| The endeavor of culture requires some sort of an open discourse. | ||
| And that includes shit like WikiLeaks, okay? | ||
| That's a part of the open discourse. | ||
| When you tell someone like Chelsea Manning that they can't let anybody know about this horrific shit that's going on that you know is illegal, you've set up this sort of a system where you're stopping data from going through, you're stopping people from communicating, and you're going to ultimately stop people from expressing their opinions on what was communicated, which is going to stop progress. | ||
| What are you, a Russian hacker? | ||
| Must be. | ||
| Must be. | ||
| I'm just a pot-smoking hippie. | ||
| With no hair. | ||
| All of us are just fucking people, Dave Rubin. | ||
| I think that's one of the things that's going to come out when the dust settles and we pick a new king or queen. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen now that we've been talking this long? | ||
| Clinton's going to win and everyone's going to hate her and it's going to be a record number of people that are intolerant and say crazy shit and we're going to have to all figure out a way to get along. | ||
| Do you see any situation where we wake up or tomorrow night that Trump's president? | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I don't think it's gonna happen. | ||
| I think most likely Hillary's gonna win, but I absolutely could see just some giant fuck up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public opinion. | ||
| I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think people choose to take polls very often. | ||
| They mostly call landlines. | ||
| When's the last time you had a landline? | ||
| Exactamundo. | ||
| I had a joke about that in my last special. | ||
| Like, maybe you're dealing with 1%. | ||
| Like, the problem with polls is the people who answer polls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Have you ever been polled? | ||
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Ever? | |
| Never. | ||
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Yeah, me neither. | |
| Exactly. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| So it's a weird thing that we're doing here where we're basing that on polls. | ||
| Exit polls are different. | ||
| It's a little bit different. | ||
| But that was way off with Al Gore, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, they predicted Al Gore to be, apparently he was like the popular winner, right? | ||
| He won the popular vote, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Why doesn't he run? | ||
| What the fuck's going on, Al? | ||
| I'm not a huge Al. | ||
| I know it's very cool to say you like Al Gore. | ||
| I'm not an Al Gore guy. | ||
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How dare you? | |
| You know what Al Gore did? | ||
| He created current television, right? | ||
| And then eventually, it was a failure as a network. | ||
| It was purging money. | ||
| And then he had a choice. | ||
| He had a couple offers on the table. | ||
| Could have sold it to Glenn Beck, but I guess he doesn't like Glenn Beck politics. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| He sold it to Al Jazeera, which is owned by the government of Qatar. | ||
| That puts out more fossil fuel oil garbage, the same stuff that he rails against all day long, and he sold them that. | ||
| So he basically did the producers. | ||
| He used all of his connections and money as vice president to get a network on the air, because it's incredibly hard to get into the cable system. | ||
| So he used all his leverage to get there, created a failure, and he walked away, I think, with $500 million. | ||
| And sold it to Qatar. | ||
| And it was in many ways funded by his humanitarian campaign to alert the world to the dangers of global warming. | ||
| That was what gave him credibility. | ||
| So that's a Cosby situation right there. | ||
| It's a Cosby. | ||
| You'll see. | ||
| And on that note, we're going to wrap it up with that. | ||
| Dave Rubin, that was just three and a half hours. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I honestly had no idea. | ||
| When I'm on stage or when I'm doing my show, I have no sense of time. | ||
| Don't do three and a half hour shows, man. | ||
| People get pissed. | ||
| They look at their watch. | ||
| What was the longest one? | ||
| Was it Sam? | ||
| Four hours? | ||
| What's your longest one? | ||
| Oh, I don't know, man. | ||
| Five and a half for Fight Companions. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, we've done some long fucking podcasts in here. | ||
| I can't shut the fuck up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good job for me. | ||
| Listen, I am now going to publicly... | ||
| You've already agreed to do it, but I'm publicly... | ||
| You gotta come on. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| I know you will. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| A little guilt at the end. | ||
| We've had a nice report here. | ||
| It's been a great conversation. | ||
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Thank you very much, sir. | |
| And how do people get your podcast? | ||
| Where can they go? | ||
| YouTube.com slash RubenReport. | ||
| RubenReport.com. | ||
| You know, RubenReport on Twitter. | ||
| We're on the iTunes. | ||
| My branding guy's pretty good. | ||
| RubenReport, you motherfuckers. | ||
| Respect. | ||
| Alright, we'll see you soon. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| Thanks, brother. |
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