Dave Rubin and Joe Rogan dissect modern media hypocrisy, from Howard Stern’s selective archival leaks to WikiLeaks’ timing debates, while critiquing Clinton’s dishonesty (Benghazi, emails) and Trump’s strategic outrage. Rogan’s shift to Android highlights Apple’s profit-driven ethics, contrasting with Rubin’s social media burnout. They question poll accuracy—like Gore’s 2000 loss despite winning the popular vote—and argue systemic flaws overshadow personal scandals, framing free speech as essential for progress amid cultural and political polarization. [Automatically generated summary]
I heard it described by Terrence McKenna as like molecularly, if you looked at it in scale, it's something the size of an ant that can break down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes.
I put a desk together once, and it's, you know, I was like, I forget if it had an estimate of how much time it took, but it took me four fucking hours.
I like indica because for me at this point, and I guess this goes back to the doors and the mind thing, like, I don't want to think anymore if I'm smoking.
I don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything.
I smoke pot Because it's 11.30 at night, and I'm going to take one puff and watch a Seinfeld that I've seen 3,000 times already, or a Simpsons that I've seen 3,000 times, and that's it.
Well, you know, people get real wary when you start talking about pot or acid or even alcohol because there's a lot of people that everyone knows that have kind of fucked their life up doing that.
But 35,000 people die driving every year.
It doesn't stop us from driving, you know?
I mean, obviously, if you're doing acid, most likely you're not going to kill somebody else.
So it's, you know, the responsibility of driving is even more intense.
I wake up and I go, man, I wish we had Carlin still, because we still, you know, obviously there's plenty of good comics out there and there's so much, there's such a breadth of stuff to talk about.
Imagine what George Carlin would be going through if he lived right now in the politically correct age we live in.
If you took any of his old stuff, he would be being attacked by all sides.
But dare I say, he'd be attacked more by the left these days for the shit that he would be talking about saying about women or about minorities or anything, you know?
But we need that idea of people just saying shit and letting it upset people and other people are going to laugh at it.
We so desperately need it now because it has led, the inability to do that these days has led to everything that's happening in our country right now related to politics and media and everything.
But it's not even about the fine as much as what it does to us as people.
That it puts the idea in your mind.
Look, if I was walking down the street and I saw a guy and I said, hey, how you doing, man?
And then I realized it was a woman, I would kind of feel bad.
But that's life.
Like, that's life.
We're trying to, through words and trickery and now legal means, we're trying to dumb everyone down to the point that we can't even think for ourselves.
If you look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say, dude...
Because when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self, She's got a goddamn commercial where she pulls up.
A Geico commercial, I think it is.
What is that commercial where she pulls up to someone?
I don't know what it is.
But she pulls up to a guy.
She's like, you want my number?
And the guy's like, get the fuck out of here.
It's like an obvious joke about her being unattractive.
And she's perpetrating that joke.
That is what it is.
I mean, if you do that same joke with, you know, fill in the blank, what's that girl, Sofia Vergara or something like that, the joke doesn't work.
Well, what's particularly interesting about what happened to him is that they claimed, I think, when Twitter finally said a little something about it, that it was because of targeted harassment.
That Milo had unleashed his followers on her.
Now, first off...
You don't control all your followers.
You know what I mean?
If you got into a fight with somebody, if Joe Rogan got into a fight with somebody on Twitter, you can't control what your followers do.
So that's number one.
Number two, she had done that before.
There are instances, people had screen captured things, where she had gotten into fights with trolly type people, not public people, and said, guys, get them.
So she had actually instigated mobs, but it's okay for all the politically correct reasons, it's okay when she does it.
Well, not only had she done that, she had said things about white people specifically, like white people.
Specifically mocking white people or saying things about white people.
Whereas you can't do that the other way.
There's also this very bizarre thing that people keep saying, is that black people can't be racist against white people, because racism only works when someone's in a position of power.
Guess fucking what?
If you have millions of followers and you're super famous and you say things about any white person, you have a position of power.
I thought the movie started out really funny, but what he was saying was that it was a ridiculous feminist version of Ghostbusters, where all the men are complete buffoons and failures, and all the women save the day.
And it just wasn't a good movie.
It wasn't well designed, and it was kind of a slap in the face to men, and that was his whole commentary on it.
It was very eloquently written, maybe a little bit bitchy, but that's his whole thing.
So there's obviously a difference between, of course, the First Amendment, which is the government stopping you from speaking, and what a private company can do.
Ironically though, all these people on the left that were thrilled or had no problem with Milo being banned, they're the same people that wanted to force that baker in Indiana to bake the cake for the gay wedding.
Yeah.
So they're okay with private companies doing things when it's the things that they want them to do, like get rid of a conservative, right?
Yeah, and that's quite all right, but don't try to shut us down.
Don't try to go to YouTube and strike us or whatever other thing there is, but that's what's...
The left is doing this now, and that's why I talk about the left all the time, because I'm liberal, and I'm watching my guys ban speakers.
I'm watching my guys de-platform people.
I'm watching my guys try to close restaurants, and it's like, now you're moralizing the same way You've mocked the Christian right for all these years.
And remember that ridiculous thing that they did where they circled her house with a helicopter and she was hiding behind the curtains and it was all mysterious.
Like, what in the fuck are you selling?
Like, what is this?
And for people at home that are like in Indiana, they're drinking beer and they like football and they went to watch the ESPYs to see, you know, like who won best quarterback of the year.
You know, and I kind of appreciate that in a certain way, because it's like if you were watching a comedy show, and all of a sudden, during that comedy show, they started deeply discussing religion.
These guys, if Barkley and all of them want to, if their TNT bosses are okay with it, and they go, well, you know, you can do that instead of talking about how many points Durant had, then so be it.
But I'm just saying what I think most people want from sports is an escape.
You know, it's the after show on TNT. I don't watch basketball.
So it's Barkley, who's obviously completely outspoken and incredible, and Kenny Smith, who also is, and Shaq, and Ernie Johnson's the token white guy in the equation.
Yeah, so I'm not begrudging them any of the legitimate things that you're talking about.
Of course, the athletes can do whatever they want to express themselves in any way, but once that starts becoming more of what you're talking about than the sports, that's why people start tuning out.
You know, I remember when that Sacco thing happened, and so basically she said that joke, she gets on a plane, she disappears for, what, eight, ten hours or something?
Because I was like, wait, wait, wait, let me get this straight.
A woman who I've never heard of before, who's not a public person per se, tweeted a bad joke, basically.
A really tasteless, stupid thought.
Her life is going to be destroyed.
Why would I add to that?
So I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like, you know, and I do that now and again with certain news things where I'm like, this one I'm gonna sit out because this gang mentality You didn't know who that was before.
Nobody knew who this woman was before.
But so one random person said something that I didn't like?
We must destroy her.
So you're right.
That's the first pop.
And now these pops are happening all over the place.
Which, by the way, is why I think what Peter Thiel did with Hogan and Gawker is fucking phenomenal.
Although I did read an incredible piece on Gawker from May, I hate to say this, about Donald Trump's hair, where they're investigating whether or not Donald Trump's hair is a very expensive weave.
Well, I was, you know, when I did it, I was in my late 20s and I was just on television and I was panicking because my hair was falling out.
I was like, oh my god, my career is just getting started and I'm going to lose it all because I was thinking very probably correctly that a lot of my success was predicated on my appearance.
And I was like, if this goes, if I go bald, I'm fucked.
No one had shaved heads back then in the 90s either.
If they did, it was very rare.
And so I went through all this.
But it helped.
It definitely gave me, like, thicker hair.
But it was too much work.
And eventually, I realized, like, it's so pointless.
And then when I shaved my head, it was, like, the most freeing feeling.
I get it also as a person who likes to have control of their life.
You feel like that's one thing that really freaks people out about their hair.
Features and appearance is very bizarre, right?
Because I know this woman who recently got a nose job, and she was beautiful, and she decided that she didn't like her nose, and she got a little bit trimmed off.
It's kind of crazy, right?
But there's a weird thing where people decide that if my nose was one eighth of a millimeter smaller, I would feel better about myself.
I would feel better about my appearance.
But I've met people that have big noses.
No, she doesn't look any better.
She looked great before.
She looks great now.
It's just a weird thing that people do.
They fixate.
But what I was going to get at is, it's really strange what we decide looks good.
And that it's cultural in a lot of ways.
How about those, I think it's Suri women who decide they put those giant plates in their lips.
And the bigger the plate, the more cattle they're worth when they get married.
There's like fucking really bizarre cultures.
And it's an example of how human beings...
When isolated, for whatever reason, I mean, there's scarification rituals that many cultures go through where they'll cut pieces out of their skin to look like crocodiles.
Have you ever seen that, where they do their backs and men do it?
Yeah, they cut these chunks out of their back, and then they develop these keloid scars that pop up.
Well, you know, Joy Behar used to say a phrase on The View, dare I quote The View, but Joy Behar used to say something that I always thought was great and it was really simple.
She used to say, it's an inside job.
That everything really is just an inside job.
So if you're walking around, your friend's walking around, and she thinks that this little, you know, beautiful woman, but she thinks this little millimeter, it bothers her for some reason.
It's an inside job.
Now, she may still have that same insecurity after, or maybe she exercised it.
You know, maybe it actually did do what it was supposed to do, but most of us are walking around.
The shit that we're walking around with is just an inside job, and it's your job as a human To exercise that stuff.
But beyond just like that, just the sex or whatever, this idea that you have to look perfect, there's never enough.
And that's why, for me, it's like, that's why gay marriage was so important.
Not because of Whether you want to get married or not is irrelevant.
But the idea that all these people that could never get married, they had to stay in the rat race forever.
Imagine that.
If you always felt like you had to stay in the rat race.
Because the same equality of being in a relationship that was sanctioned by the state, as silly as that may all be at some level.
But the idea that you just had to stay in this race forever.
And then one day you're 50...
And you're trying to look like you're 20 because you're still in that race because you never found someone, whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever, that you can start maturing into some other thing with.
And that's why marriage equality was important to me.
Not whether someone actually gets married or not.
Milo and I have great debates on this.
But you've got to get out.
Because there's nothing sadder than those people that never stopped.
And I'm like, oh, well, I'll just make a membership there.
That way over at lunch, I could just shoot over, get a workout in real quick and get by.
Because I had just gotten used to, like, set life.
Like, life on the set on a new sitcom.
You're working...
At a minimum, if the sitcom's not going well, like, news radio wasn't really going well in terms of, like, we're trying to find its legs in the early days, and we would work 12, 14 hours a day, and it was really hard to do stand-up at night, and it was really hard to work out.
I was like, goddamn, man.
And same with, like, my hair.
I was like, shit, I gotta stay in shape.
You know, like, there was a lot of scenes on news radio where I had to take my shirt off.
So anyway, I went over to this Gold's Gym, and I didn't know that that was exactly like the 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood.
It was just a gay disco.
I used to feel like a tasty little morsel in a big homo stew.
I would walk in there, like a wounded antelope, trailing up to the waterhole, and there was all these dudes with like scrunchy socks, like from fucking Olivia Newton-John, Let's Get Physical, and they would have Timberlands on and cut off jeans.
Yeah, well, when I first moved to West Hollywood, I first was intimidated by it because I was like, you know, I'm at this gym with all these, like, huge, muscly whatever.
And then as time went on, I started enjoying it because I was like, this is actually ridiculous.
But I think the key is to not even concentrate on that.
To be aware of it, to recognize it, to address it.
But just concentrate on, and this is such a fucking cliche statement, but I try to say it as much as possible.
Living in the moment.
Just being here in the moment.
Taking care of your biology, you know, respect your meat vehicle, take care of that thing, but try to enjoy this thing and live in the moment.
And the more you don't live in the moment, the more you get caught up in bullshit, the more it gets away from you.
And then anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity.
And that kind of goes back to Trump with his fucking wacky hair.
Like you're not living in the moment if you're a 70 year old guy and you're spraying your hair down with a fucking gallon of Aquanet before you go out and everybody knows what you're doing.
Well, I'm curious as to the backlash against Trump.
Not the current backlash against Trump, but when it's going to come from other people.
Because people, whenever someone is perceived to be a bully, whether he is or not, you can make your own choice, your own decision about that.
But I think he is.
And a lot of people think he is.
And I think that's also probably one of the reasons why he's been so successful is because he's so ruthlessly competitive and he thinks of himself so highly.
And those sort of traits, like narcissistic traits, are oftentimes very prevalent in people that are successful in business.
Like really successful like he is.
When he puts his name on everything and he's branded everything and everything's Trump this and Trump that.
He has no notion whatsoever of staying low-key.
Well, when you fight against, like, he's really mad at Alec Baldwin and SNL for doing what I think is hilarious.
Yeah.
And very, it's really well done.
Like, that thing that they do, grab him by the pussy.
You know, he does that, Alec Baldwin's best work, I think, since fucking...
Yeah, right?
Well, what was the one?
Glen Ross.
Probably his best work since the coffee is foreclosers line has been this shit.
I mean, it's funny.
And he gets angry.
Like, Jon Stewart did a bit.
He was doing this stand-up for veterans for some sort of a benefit.
And he did this bit where he started reading off these Twitter exchanges between him and Donald Trump.
Let's pull it up, Jamie, because I think Jon Stewart...
I think we could actually play this on...
I'm friends with Jon Stewart.
I'm sure he'd let us play it.
Because I think he'd also agree that this is kind of important.
Like, it just shows you, it's not whether or not Donald Trump's conservative approach and make America great again and not letting in terrorists and all that stuff.
All the things you may or may not agree with.
We're just talking about from a psychological standpoint, from looking at him as a human being.
So on April 24th, 2013, at 11am, someone comes into my office and says, Donald Trump just tweeted, I promise you, I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz.
I mean Jon Stewart, who by the way, is totally overrated.
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Now I'm gonna say something to you.
This is real.
and I don't necessarily disagree with it.
So, so I said, as you might say to yourself, what the fuck is that about? - No.
So, we're not quite sure.
We can't quite figure it out.
So, A couple of days later, he tweets, as I've said many times before, Jon Stewart is highly overrated.
Then...
I swear this is true.
He tweets again, if Jon Stewart is so above it all and legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibowitz?
He should be proud of his heritage.
Yeah, that guy wants to be president.
Okay, hold on, let me keep going.
Then he tweeted, John Stewie is a total phony.
He should cherish his past, not run from it.
So I start to think to myself like, "Oh, I think this guy is trying to let people know I'm a Jew." And I think to myself like, "Doesn't my face do that?" Honestly, like, where have you seen this face other than a poster for Yentl?
In what world are people like, Stuart, that's a Scottish name, but there's something about that fella that looks a little schmeary.
It would be funny if it wasn't so toxically fucking crude and horrible, but...
So I decided to tweet back at him.
Many people don't know this, but Donald Trump's real name is Fuckface Von Clownstegg.
I wish you would embrace the Von Clownstegg heritage.
So neat.
You remember, by the way, Lincoln used to get into this shit all the time.
I swear to God, this is true.
The man who will more than likely, given the FBI's preference, be our next president.
Then tweeted, Amazing how the haters and losers keep tweeting the name Fuckface Vaughn Clanstick.
Like they are so original and like no one else is doing.
What happened is it turned out a lot of people on Twitter picked up on the name Fuckface Vaughn Clanstick and started tweeting at it.
Then he tweets, what's funny about the name Fuckface Vonnervstick?
It was not coined by John Lebowitz.
he stole it from a moron onto it.
So I took it back.
We seem to have hit a fuckface von nerve stick.
Silence.
Silence.
Radio silence.
Four days later, I shit you not, perhaps the next president of the greatest country in the world at 1.30 in the morning tweeted, Little Jon Stewart is a pussy.
Joe, I'm going to do something that's very difficult right now.
I'm going to try to defend Donald Trump for a second on this, which is he is using the system against itself.
So he's using the trolling tactics.
Ultimately, yes, that's all insane.
That's all completely, utterly insane.
Strange, like, anti-Semitic dog whistling, although it's as if Jon Stewart's hiding the fact that he's Jewish.
He talks about being Jewish every day.
There's so much bizarre lunacy in there in the comments, but...
My best defense of him is not that he...
Look, the guy's obviously a narcissist.
He obviously has some sort of personality disorder and all kinds of other shit.
And shady business practices and we don't know the taxes and all that stuff.
The defense I can give of him is that he's using the system against itself.
So all of this corrupt media bullshit, all of this political correctness, all of the outrage culture, all the stuff we've been talking about...
He purposely does it just to keep his name out there.
So these idiots, the lapdog media just keeps giving him free attention.
And then by giving him free attention, he doesn't have to spend the money that all the other candidates do.
Hillary's outspending him.
I don't know what the numbers are, but I bet you do something like 20 to 1. And it's like he's just using it.
So does he believe any of this stuff he's saying?
And is that morally wrong and ethically gross?
Sure, but he's just using the system and I think you know when people are saying Oh, you know if it had only been Ruby, you know a lot of Democrats if it only been Rubio or Romney or Jeff Bush it would have been so much better All the shit whether they're calling him anti-women or anti-gay or anti-emir They would have been saying it about them too because they did it I mean remember what they were saying about Romney four years ago.
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He had binders of women He hates women he hates him like I would probably vote for Romney Well, Romney did say binders of women, right?
Sure, but- But it was just, they took it out of context.
It was a talking point.
I mean, that's what politics is all about.
But what's important to know, first of all, I agree with you, and I think his use of really ridiculous statements and stuff is brilliant because he does force the media to report on some of the things he says.
But that was 2013. He wasn't running for president then.
No, so he has always used it for his own purposes, just to keep his own celebrity out there, right?
So everything he's done from any point that I can remember him from in the 80s to forward has been to further his own brand, his own empire, his own money, all of that stuff.
And now he's just...
He's doing exactly what the media has demanded in a weird way.
Yeah, you know like the media doesn't even wait for us to get outraged anymore.
They they're sitting there all of these people at all of these you know, Daily Beast all these sites that somehow are all considered legit and nothing personally against Daily Beast I'm just picking one but like they're literally just waiting for him to tweet so that they can write the article about the outrage that the tweet caused they They don't even wait for us to be outraged.
They just start.
So it's like he's just feeding them.
He's feeding the monster knowing it keeps getting more clicks.
The more clicks and views he gets, the more they'll want to talk about him, the more money it makes the networks.
It's like he really is just playing the game, really.
You know, NBC, they invited me to go on Celebrity Apprentice back when we did the second version of Fear Factor, which I guess was like 2011 or 12 or something like that.
I forget what year it was.
And I should have done it.
I didn't want to do it because I would have had to move to New York for like three months.
But my family was down when they were like, let's do it.
And I was like, all right, maybe fuck that.
I kind of want to do that.
I'm like, I don't like shows.
Maybe if it was a show that I watched and enjoyed, but I never watched it.
But I wish I did now, because I would love to have some insight.
I'd love to be around that guy and pick his brain.
Because Jeff Ross was around him when they roasted him for Comedy Central, and he said the guy was very reasonable.
This is when they roasted him.
He signed up for the roast.
And Jeff had a conversation with him.
He's like, you know, when they turn to you and they're saying jokes about you, you should laugh.
Because it looks bad if you're just sitting there.
You're upset.
It'll make you look better if you laugh.
He's like, you're right.
He seemed very reasonable.
I think there's something about he's very concerned with perception, hence the hair.
He's very concerned with control.
He's very concerned with all these different things.
So in a lot of ways, this is sort of a psychological profile.
As much as it is a presidential race.
It's like we're watching two different people that are extremely flawed.
Like, she is not honest.
Hillary Clinton is a very, very dishonest person.
There's an incredible amount of data to point that she is incredibly dishonest.
Whether it's dishonest about the Clinton Foundation, dishonest about the emails, dishonest completely about Benghazi.
Do you remember when they were trying to say Benghazi was all in response to a YouTube video?
And it's very, very disturbing when you consider the fact that it doesn't disqualify you from running the government.
If you're going to have someone who represents the people of, as Jon Stewart said, and I agree, the greatest country in the world, you should have someone who's honest.
And look, even Barack Obama's turned out through these WikiLeaks.
Releases that he lied about not knowing that Hillary Clinton had that email server.
He had commented on it, and he had emailed her on it.
So that's not true.
So the whole thing is very, very sorted in many, many, many ways.
And Gary Johnson keeps fucking up.
I've had him on the podcast before, and I enjoyed him.
I like talking to him, but how do you not know what Aleppo is?
I didn't know where Aleppo is, by the way, but I knew what was going on in Syria, but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed.
Sure, and of course, look, the media is disingenuous when they find that Aleppo moment with Gary Johnson, and suddenly that's the lead story all over the place, or for 24 hours it's all over Twitter, because it's like, you guys ignored everything he says, so now he's screwed up once, and now that's the way you discredit him.
So...
I've had Gary Johnson on my show, so I chatted with him.
He was going on Larry King when I was over at Oro, and we had about a half hour before we went on air in the green room.
The guy, he's a perfectly decent, lovely human being.
I would love to smoke pot with him and go skiing, but like...
But that said, in August, I did a video on my channel where I said, I will support this guy to get to 15% to get him in the debate.
Because whether you like him or not, we desperately need another voice.
Talk about limited government.
Talk about why taxes should be low or whatever it is.
Now, I failed at that, obviously.
I tried.
But from that point, from about mid-August to the debate...
He had about 10 horrific moments.
I actually think, as much as I like him personally, he's done the Libertarians, and in a certain way the country, a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this.
So many people would have been excited to have heard an actual...
A Ross Perot type, or just someone who had a certain command of the issues, because Gary, he's good, and all the reasons that we like him, but he's kind of goofy and silly, and, you know, he stammers a lot, and he speaks in a funny way, and his body language is kind of, you know, slippery, or I don't know.
But the point is...
This was the year, if we're ever going to have a third party, a third choice, something like that, this was the year where it could have made a real dent the way Ross Perot did.
And Gary could have, it should have been the libertarian candidate more than Jill Stein, I think.
But Gary just, at every opportunity to show that he knows what he's doing, can speak clearly about the issues...
He failed.
You know, he's for having the government force the Indiana baker to bake the cake.
Same day she starts working for the Hillary campaign.
Then Donna Brazile, who's a Democratic superdelegate, right?
She's a Democrat who CNN had on as a contributor, as if she could possibly give you any remotely honest answer on anything.
She then becomes the head of the DNC. And then now it's, of course, come out on WikiLeaks in the last week that she was feeding Hillary questions for the debates.
So you may hate the Republicans.
For all your fans out there that hate the Republicans, you still got to acknowledge that there is something deeply, deeply corrupt with the Democrats.
Yeah, so that's what's happening right now is that because of WikiLeaks, we're starting to see how the sausage is made.
It's not just a theory anymore.
So for the last couple years, where a lot of online people would be screaming about the government's corrupt, the media's in bed with them, you know, they're pitching softball interviews.
Well, now we're seeing that it's actually true.
Like there's actual evidence in email saying, yeah, give softball stories to easy reporters at the New York Times.
Don't talk to this person, you know, blah, blah, blah.
We're seeing all of it now.
And then you throw Trump into it, and you throw trolling and internet culture, and you get all of that going and back to that popcorn that we started with.
Now it's all bubbling at once, and it all comes down to tomorrow.
I mean, this is how they got the questions they want to be asked and they presented the narrative that they wanted to push.
But this has always been the case.
There's always been ridiculous people who are almost like vampire familiars, who stay close to the master.
And so they want to, you know, in one way or another, feed off of whatever power that he has and capitalize on it, whether it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whether it's, you know, what is a woman's name that's the Attorney General that Clinton met on the tarmac in his jet?
A little bit of what I said before about the Trump tactics.
He came on my show, and he laid it out so clearly.
And at that point, he wasn't supporting Trump, really.
And I think...
I think I think now he officially is but his whole point was it's not the policy Understand what he's doing the trolling understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that He fully gets it.
Yeah, I mean I feel like what Trump represents to a lot of people that are supporting him is They'll they're willing to look past all of his flaws and all the bullshit and the bullying and the craziness because he's something completely unique and Yeah.
That has never run for president before.
What he is, what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside.
He is independent in terms of financially.
And he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them.
One of the things about him being a narcissist and one of the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends is that In establishing that and becoming this super successful guy who's really concerned only about himself, he's immune to all that cronyism bullshit.
He's not going to do that.
And you're seeing that, like, the way he's hammering Hillary on all these different things, the way he's attacking.
I mean, he got paid to be at Hillary's fucking wedding.
Or Hillary, rather, got paid to be at his wedding.
What's happening is people are, they're so frustrated.
They're frustrated about language and all the bullshit and seeing all the nonsense between the media and the White House Correspondents Dinner where, you know, they call it nerd prom and all the, they're supposed to be guarding the politicians and instead they're having dinner with them.
And we could go through the list of the amount of people that are on CNN that are married to public people or worked for I just mentioned the Don of Brazil thing.
Paul Begala, for example, he runs a Hillary super PAC. He's on CNN as an analyst.
Everyone is now seeing it.
There was the idea of it, but now because of the internet, we're seeing all of it, and people have just had it.
Think about it.
Everyone wants to be close to power in a certain way, so if you had Barack Obama, you had the president in here, You probably, in your first interview with him, the first time you met him, might go a little easier, hoping that he might come back again, because you'd like to be around it a little bit.
What I would do if I had a chance to sit down with Barack Obama, because he's not much older than me.
He's only a couple years older than me.
I essentially could hang out with that guy.
I think in a lot of ways, let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks on whistleblowers and the attacks on the freedom of the press.
There's been a lot of horrible things that have occurred during this administration.
It's been one of the worst administrations in terms of freedom of the press.
They don't realize that, you know, there's simple civics things that people need to know that they don't know anymore.
Stuff that you should have learned in seventh grade social studies.
That we have three branches of government.
The president is one branch.
He's the executive branch.
All he is supposed to do.
The president doesn't write laws.
All he is supposed to do is sign the law.
Congress writes the law, the legislative branch.
And then the judicial branch, the courts, actually make sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can, you know, checks and balances so they make sure no branch gets too powerful.
But if you think about it, think about what the last two years have been like for this election.
People think we're voting on a king.
So Hillary, I can solve this and all that.
It's like, wait a minute.
If you can do all this shit, why didn't you tell Barack these last eight years?
I'll bring all the jobs back.
Well, you were on his team, so maybe you should have mentioned that, so you know that's all bullshit.
And then when Trump says, I'm the only one that can solve immigration, I'm the only one that can make the economy great, and it's like...
Well, you're just a part of the government.
I get it.
You're a big part.
And we fetishize the president in a way that we don't the other branches, which is a problem.
But they're not a king.
And we have to remind ourselves of that.
And for the people that are really ready to jump off the bridge tomorrow if their guy loses...
Is that the system is so corrupt that all it could choke out, all the two years of this bullshit could give us at the end was these two.
Like, I kind of think they just, they perfectly deserve each other.
But if you want to look and find out what went wrong, you got to look in the mirror because we all have to look at ourselves and say, how did we all allow this to happen?
It was a joke at first.
The Trump thing was a joke.
I mean, I'll fully own up.
I remember when he first got in, I said he's going to be in three debates and that's it.
Maybe, so for all the things that we're talking about, it seems to me that Trump, the best sales job I could give for Trump would be that he has a lot.
His family has a lot.
They have everything to live for.
They have everything that most of us want, immaterial assets and all that stuff.
And it's like, is he really people that are like, he's going to start World War III or, you know, we're going to fight North Korea or Well, isn't that a real concern, though, with his hubris and the way he treats opponents in business and the way he treats opponents socially, like Rosie O'Donnell, the way he does sort of conduct himself.
That is not something that you can do if you want to talk to some foreign leader.
Well, have you seen the thing, the difference between the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying what the FBI had said?
I mean, it is so horrifically inaccurate and dishonest.
It's just like, how does that not immediately disqualify you?
And at any other time, it would.
If she was running against, let's put it this way, if she was running against Obama, and this was the Hillary Clinton that we had been exposed to, it's like our standards have dropped so low.
But the media would have been all over her because they liked Obama.
So that's what's happened here.
Trump has been the great unifier to take all of these people, progressives and liberals and all these people, and even the never-Trump conservatives, all these people, they're all unified in just their hatred of Trump.
And then that gets them to ignore all the horrible shit about Hillary.
So the stuff with the emails, when the guy basically, Comey came out and he was like, well, it wasn't negligent.
He was like, she's basically an idiot.
She didn't know what she was doing, but it wasn't negligent.
Well...
That's grounds to be fired at most jobs.
You can't screw up something really, really important and say, well, I didn't do it on purpose, I'm just an idiot.
Everything she did, if she was a sailor, you know the story about the naval officer who took photos, it wasn't even an officer, it was an enlisted guy, who took photos of the inside of a nuclear cockpit and he's facing 10 years in jail.
You know, one of the things I say on the show all the time is that our country is still so good.
And we don't realize it.
We think that it's just this endless fighting and this awfulness.
There's so much good here.
You wake up.
I know we're a little different as public people.
But the average person wakes up here.
They can say what they want to say, for the most part.
You can say what you want to say.
You can get a decent job for the most part.
We go to New York City and go on a subway and be with literally every single person from every part of the world, from every ethnicity and nationality and religion and race and sexuality, and we're all here and we're not killing each other.
That doesn't mean that we could do a lot better.
It doesn't mean the system's broken.
But it's still pretty damn good here.
Almost everyone in the world still wants to come here.
Then what the average person, if you're in Ohio or you're in Florida or Colorado or whatever, your votes, literally every single person's vote matters.
So think how depressing that is with everything going on here and for as much as you and I are in this thing, like in it in a public way, that we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like, eh, we're gonna vote for the guy that definitely can't win.
I mean, think about the shit that you've just said about Hillary.
That is...
It's seriously damning shit.
Really damning shit.
Now look, Sam Harris, who's one of my heroes, who I know you've had on a zillion times, and I've had him on, and he did the best sell job he could on Hillary.
And look, I hold him as high as I can hold another person.
But I think that maybe the best way this could go down is that if you're really afraid of what could happen with Trump, that the rules have just changed forever and that just doesn't sound right, that Trump would be President of the United States, this reality TV star.
If you're really, really afraid of that, I think the best argument for Clinton then would be that get her in.
The system basically keeps chugging along.
And then good liberals and decent conservatives and libertarians and the people that really aren't on the fringes that are dragging everybody apart.
You know what I mean?
Like the real regressive left people and the real alt-right people.
But everyone else kind of comes together and says, we're going to change things over the next couple of years.
Like that's really what I'm giving you right now because I got nothing left with one day to go in this fucking thing.
But that's what I would say is that It's become obvious to me over the course of this, the average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever, they're not my enemy.
They're not as a liberal.
They're not my enemy.
And we have to find room to be okay with other people.
This whole election is just a result of not being okay, of demonizing everybody to the point that they're evil.
And then what did we end up with?
We got this.
So the best argument for Hillary, I think, is let her have four years.
The whole thing's going to be scandal-ridden no matter what.
I had Rita Panahian, who's a writer for the Herald Sun in Australia.
She's born in Iran, moved to Australia.
Now she's basically, she's on the right in that she's, you know, she would be considered a Republican here and she's actually fighting against immigration the way they're doing it there because she realized how good that country is.
She says Australia is the most tolerant nation on earth and we're now unfurling that tolerance by allowing everybody in, even if Even if they don't believe the things we believe and even if they don't want to integrate and assimilate properly and all that stuff.
But the fight against people who disagree and demonization, I completely agree with you on.
I think that we have a real problem with teams.
We have a really real tribal mentality.
Whether it's a team of the right or a team of the left or even a team of the independents.
I've been seeing so many people and I've been so disappointed with so many people ignoring all the things that Clinton has done.
And using that hashtag, I'm with her, especially my friends that are women, that are really excited about having the first woman president.
I'm like, this one?
This is the one you want?
This is like, if you wanted to have the first woman president, wouldn't you want to have a woman who was like Obama when he ran for president?
Was a perfect candidate in a lot of ways and a perfect response to George Bush.
I mean take away all the things that he didn't do that he had offered in his whole hope and change campaign and there's so much that he went against especially really disturbing stuff like the whistleblower thing like he he was offering support for whistleblowers and saying that if people were doing illegal activity and they expose that they would be protected which has been absolutely not the case.
She's offered up the fact that she would respond militarily, militarily against Russia for her writing a bunch of fucked up shit in emails and getting caught for it.
So the way you know that it's actual bullshit, and you're not just, you know, given hyperbole there, is that if they were doing the things that now the Hillary campaign is claiming, and they do it very carefully, they're very careful with their words, where they never flat out condemn them for, you know, it's, but it has to be coming from the Russians and blah, blah, blah.
And it's a magic trick to keep you off the topics of the emails, which is really the stuff we should be talking about.
But the way you know it's really not real is that if it was real, let's say there was real evidence, the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whatever had real evidence that Russia was genuinely rigging our elections, either with Trump or without Trump or whatever.
That would truly be an act of war.
At this point, that would be an act of war, and Obama would have to be talking about it endlessly.
Or they want some favorable trade agreements or whatever.
No, no, no.
That you release enough so that she's damaged.
Now she gets into the White House, and then either you start continually leaking more, because I suspect they've got plenty more, you continually leak more to hamper her, or you actually then have some shit over her.
Like, what if there's some real shit?
You know, she facilitated...
You know, something worse in Libya or, you know, like some other thing.
And then they could potentially have some shit on her, which then could actually lead to a war with Russia.
Again, I fully throw the Carl Sagan caveat out there when I say that.
But you have to think, like, they have a political...
Motive.
They're not an apolitical organization.
Clearly they want to damage Hillary.
So I think there's something there.
You're giving me the skeptical eye, which is great.
It came from just them looking into this other creep and finding out that he's sending his dick pics to some 15-year-old girl or whatever the fuck he was doing.
That people are just saying, we all knew it was fucked up.
Now someone's showing it to you, but you don't like how he behaves.
You don't like how he talks about pussy.
You don't like that he says mean things to Rosie.
All truly gross things.
I'm not defending any of those things.
But when someone's actually pulling the curtain, showing you the wizard, And now the wizard's a little weirder than you like, and they go, ah, well, forget that.
You know, like, let's pull the curtain back and get another curtain, and, you know, and that's what they're all afraid of.
They're afraid of, this is their chance, and if they blow it, it'll never, that the machine will just swallow everybody up.
The system cannot exist in a world where I think all communication within the next 20 years is going to be transparent.
Your emails to Jamie, your tweets to your mom, whatever the fuck you're doing, I think it's all going to be transparent.
I think what the internet is providing and what modern communication is providing is almost instantaneous access to data and to the way people feel and express themselves.
And what we were talking about earlier, these little pops of popcorn, they're going to boil up to a gigantic...
It's gonna...
Technology's not gonna stop here.
It's not like what we can do now is as much as we're gonna be able to do in the future.
No, it's gonna continue to progress and it's gonna get to a point where there's not gonna be...
Well, it's definitely more than you're ever going to see on networks because networks have an obligation and they have an agenda.
And I was going back and forth, and I tweeted about this, that I was going back and forth between Fox News and CNN one night.
I just sat in front of the TV. My wife and kids were out.
And so I was just sitting in front of the TV, stoned as fuck, flipping through the channels, going back and forth between CNN and Fox, and I was goddamn bewildered.
It's like there's two different parallel universes.
In one parallel universe, Hillary Clinton is the savior of the world, and the other one, she's a monster, and Bill Clinton's a rapist and a sexual predator, and these women are a bunch of bimbos who just came out against Donald Trump, and they're all puppets, and Gloria Allred's in on it, and all this crap.
I'm like, what would a person think if this is their first exposure to human beings?
If an alien came here from another planet and their first exposure to human beings was looking at this process to decide who controls the button that has all the nuclear weapons of the world pointed at various countries...
It's going to overwhelm what we consider to be normal communication.
It's going to overwhelm that.
And right now, I think we're at a very early stage of this technological progression.
And I think we're looking at it in terms of the internet and devices and phones and laptops and shit.
But I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to...
Look, no one would have ever thought that you would have people addicted to a phone just 20 years ago.
No one would have ever even considered the idea of being addicted to a phone, that you would go to a restaurant and 80% of the people would just be on their phone.
And no one likes it when you bring it up.
If you say to them, hey man, want to get off your phone?
Like, fuck dude, I got important emails coming through.
Everybody gets mad.
It's like, you know, you're like saying, hey, do you really need that drink?
I fucking want that drink.
It's the same goddamn feeling.
People are responding to an addiction.
But this is just step one, man.
This is step one of an ultimate complete invasiveness.
There's going to be some new technology, whether it's a neural implant or whether there's some other device that we're going to wear, but there's going to be something that connects us far more intimately with each other than what we're experiencing now, which is pretty goddamn intimate.
I mean, we spent, as I'm sure you did, we spent the hour basically talking about all that.
Think about it.
We're not talking about anything.
Look, it's not that this shit's happening tomorrow, but instead of talking about grabbing pussy and emails, we should be talking about some of these things.
Some of these actual things that are going to shape our lives.
And we don't talk about any of this stuff.
And then the shit just happens.
And then instead of talking about it and preparing ourselves, we react.
But we need to do a little legwork so that when this stuff comes whatever it is We have to be ready for it Yeah, and we don't so one day the robots will be here and we're gonna be bowing down to him because we didn't do the legwork To go.
We should have Well, something I don't necessarily know if the robots are gonna turn on us like that That's the big concern that a lot of people have Stephen Hawking Elon Musk the artificial intelligence I think before then we're going to integrate.
I mean I think Before virtual reality, you're going to have augmented reality.
And I think that augmented human beings, human beings that are augmented with technology, that's really going to be what's going to separate us from what we are now, which is essentially the monkey holding the device.
Yeah, well look, Zoltan's got the chip in him, and it can open his garage door.
He was talking about a guy, you know, he knows a guy that wants to chop his arm off to get the bionic arm to be able, you know, and get Wi-Fi in your arm.
It was created by people who rode horses to get around, and they needed a representative government because there was no fucking way you're going to be able to talk to someone in Missouri.
It would take forever, and so they needed someone to talk to those people and then get the word back to Washington.
We don't need that anymore.
It's an archaic system, and that archaic system is in many ways being exposed.
I made a tweet recently or an Instagram post about this guy that was going over the electoral map like a storm was coming.
And he was like pointing at all the states.
And I was like, this guy's like talking about storms.
I mean, just on the technology front and how we vote, it's like every state has two senators.
And the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to make sure that the states like Montana that have nobody living there had some sort of representation.
What we love about the Constitution has essentially already been violated.
Yeah.
You know, by the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, the NDAA, there's a lot of weird shit that's already in place that kind of takes away from the things that the Founding Fathers had set up to make sure that tyranny was never embraced.
Human beings in this current state are incredibly recent, where we're not even dealing with gold anymore.
Now we're just dealing with numbers.
I think the next step is that you can't keep track of that anymore.
The next step is it's going to be a resource-based economy.
Meaning that people are just going to be sharing and trading in resources.
And we're going to have to figure out some way to quantify those resources and quantify your value.
And I don't think it's going to be the way it is now where you have these hedge fund managers and these Bernie Madoff twats that are fucking just essentially moving numbers around and making ungodly sums of money.
I mean, if you look at the Hamptons, a lot of those fucking people that have these castles out there, and the castles in Connecticut, You have these people that have just figured out a way to move numbers around.
Well, that's why I think that, you know, even when people come after Trump on the money stuff, you know, the whole thing with the $918 million and the write-off and all that.
Well, I mean, there's a time and a place for things, but there's also, you have to think that this guy was not running for president back when he was saying those things.
He was just being a silly man on a silly show where it's all about humor and being a good sport and playing a role, as Howard put it.
Maybe you're paraphrasing him, but I think that's pretty accurate.
Look, he would have had an opportunity to get him in the mix again, more publicity for him, and he said, no, that's not what the purpose of what I've built here for the last 40 years is, and I'm not going to throw in on this garbage.
Could you even possibly fathom Well, I wouldn't want the job, but if I did run, I don't want to, but if I did, they would definitely use all that stuff against me.
But that's why context is so incredibly important.
And this is also an incredibly new thing with human beings, being able to extract little sound bites from things that you've said, and whether it's a tweet from Justine Sacco or whatever the fuck it is, and then say, this defines you.
This moment, this one moment defines you.
This one moment where someone cuts you off and you go, Fucking cunt!
But anyone, anyone that doesn't like us or wanted to discredit us or anything, and, you know, not to bring it back to Sam again, but you know the types of things that people with really awful intentions have done with misquoting him and all that stuff.
And that thing needs to be destroyed.
That outrage monster that will find one thing that you did or said once to then destroy every other piece of goodness that you've put out there must end.
And that is a big piece of what's happening here, too.
I also think discourse in particular, like discourse against Sam, is what a lot of people are doing.
They're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and they're using their voice to attack that high profile to make a move on the castle.
You know, it's like they're moving chess pieces around and they're using strategy and they're saying, well, he said this about Islam, you know, and do you understand how many billions of people are peaceful Muslims and how offensive this is to say that That's what they're doing.
They're taking these positions.
And they're also taking these positions in a weird way.
Because there's something about writing a blog that's a very cowardly thing when you're attacking someone.
Because they don't respond.
You want someone to respond back in a blog?
You're requiring an incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog.
But you know that, that it's a one-way dialogue.
Someone writes an attack blog on Dave Rubin.
That's a very cowardly thing, because what they're doing is they're sort of forcing you to respond by establishing a false narrative, or by portraying you in an unfavorable light, by taking things out of context and using them.
And a lot of people do it against me.
And it's funny when you read it, like, wow, this is weird.
Yeah, or that someone spent so much thought on extrapolating something that you said that you didn't either mean or it's like, wow, you really went deep on my psyche in a way that had nothing to do with it.
So you know this guy Mike Cernovich by any chance?
Haven't you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way, and as you got to know them better and better, you found out some stuff they had said, and you went, whoa, hold on.
There's some things that people say that is just absolutely...
Inarguable.
You can't support it.
There's certain things that people have said that's inexcusable, right?
So I can see the point of taking some things, and maybe they might be even out of context, and using that to sort of, like, say, at the very least, consider this.
Sure, but as an interviewer, you or I are not held to...
If we had to basically vet every person that we ever sat down with for every thought that they had three years ago on Twitter, we would have a pretty fucking lonely life.
At UCLA with Milo, just a little back and forth chat thing.
They had all of these kids outside.
First of all, there were hundreds of kids trying to get in, but then there was this loud 200 kids literally blocking people.
So they're not against walls.
They don't like Trump's wall, but they're okay with blocking a wall for other people to exercise their free speech.
And they're dumping garbage cans and spitting on cops, getting in cops' faces with cameras, just begging them to just flip in a second.
Anyway, we have this great chat.
It was really funny, actually.
At one point, this girl, In the audience, she just busts about halfway through, starts screaming.
People didn't know she was a protester.
She gets in, she starts screaming, I hate you, I hate you, blah, blah, blah.
So I stopped and I said, I bet you, actually, we were going to do a Q&A at the end, but I bet you right now, if you ask Milo one question that you really are burning, or make one point, I bet you he'll respond to you.
Like, when you're talking about these kids that are protesting and stopping people from going into lectures or some of these crazy feminists that have...
You know the scene from the University of Toronto, very famous thing, where they had this guy.
They completely misrepresented his opinions on things.
And they had painted this guy out to be anti-female and anti-woman as some sort of a men's rights thing.
Which is a very bizarre thing.
You have to deny that men's rights are applicable.
If you can't be a feminist and also recognize men's rights.
There's a thing going on where it's as much as trying to get back at the perceived winners of the world when you feel like you've been a loser of the world.
That's where I think white privilege is coming from and a lot of this stuff.
Not to deny that white people have it easier than black people in terms of dealing with racism.
But it doesn't mean that those white people are racist.
There's a lot of white people that are your allies.
Like, the real problem is the racists themselves, not people who aren't victim of the racists.
It's like saying that these people are lucky.
Yeah, for sure.
But painting it in some sort of a way, like, where these privileged people, they're assholes for allowing this privilege to even take place.
And I think it's going to pull back just like waves always do.
I think there's cycles to things.
I mean, I think that's why we went from the 60s to the 70s and the 70s to the 80s.
I mean, it also responds to the condemnation of psychedelic drugs.
Sweeping Schedule One Act that passed in 1970, which was directly attributable to Richard Nixon realizing that a lot of what was going on, a lot of people that are coming after him, were part of the psychedelic movement.
All these Republicans started realizing, like, we have to stop this.
This psychedelic movement will destroy our culture.
You go from this Goldwater Republican era to all of a sudden you're dealing with freaks and hippies and Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, and they're like, stop the fucking fire!
And they just threw as much water on as they could.
They locked a bunch of people in jail and they created laws that made marijuana in particular and all these other drugs.
They demonized them so that they could go after the civil rights movement.
The people that were in charge of it, they got them for drugs.
And so they would go after all these different anti-war protest movements.
They would go after them for drugs too.
And that Schedule I classification of these things that weren't dangerous or deadly or killing anyone was directly attributable to a strategy where they were going after people that opposed the Vietnam War.
The going after people that imposed the administration clearly lying to them about all sorts of things.
And that was before they even knew that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, the original thing that got us into Vietnam.
So there's so much evidence.
That this way that people behave when they suppress things, that there's a direct response.
First of all, I mean, if you attack someone, they're wounded, they're damaged.
And then they rise up, and they go after that attack.
And that's what you're seeing with the alt-right.
And I don't agree with them on a lot of things they stand for, but I recognize it almost I'm not objective, right?
I'm a person.
I'm a human being like all of us.
I have my own shit.
But if I was outside of it, trying to look at it objectively, I'm like, oh, this thing goes like this and then it goes like that.
It's like a fucking swing.
It's like a pendulum.
It's like a yin and a yang.
It comes in and it comes out.
And I think one of the things that's happening with this alt-right movement and these people that are really super conservative and like, build that fucking wall!
Build that fucking wall!
What you're dealing with is a response to what they perceive to be too much openness from the Obama administration.
This fucking...
Look, Obamacare, I don't know enough about it.
I don't.
I don't know enough about it.
But I have friends that are doctors who fucking hate it.
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Yeah, I got a friend and doctor in Texas and he thinks it's destroyed his practice.
I would say that maybe it'd be like 46-54 for women, in favor of women, that more women vote.
But I think that what you have also is There's no good choice here.
So this is a very unique situation.
You have this really strong anti-woman feeling that a lot of these gals get from Donald Trump, especially now, right?
There's that.
Again, in that conversation that he had on that bus, I've heard way worse from some people that I love and cherish very deeply, and they're trying to be funny, and they're saying fucked up things that are totally ridiculously gross, and a lot of them are saying it because it's just you and me, and you and me, and we'll just talk some shit.
The problem is that just relying completely on the burden of evidence being like physical proof, you're dealing with an act of people touching each other's bodies, and it's just there's not a whole lot of proof when it comes to that.
Because we know that some people, when they give a rape allegation, we know that there's going to be a lot of people that are telling you the absolute truth as they remember it.
There's also going to be crazy people that make things up.
There's going to be some spectrum in between those two things.
Where you're going to have people that exaggerate situations, and I'm sure you've had any conversations that you've had with people that maybe you've had a disagreement and they go to someone else, and they completely refame the disagreement like you're a piece of shit.
We love to do it, and we love to do it for all kinds of things, and I've been guilty of it, and I'm sure you have, and everybody listening to this thing, I'm sure.
As we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how much is involved in it, the ego and personality conflicts and where you are in your life and your own stresses and frustrations and whatever the fuck is going on, whatever is going on in this big struggle that we're all involved in, right?
There's not always a very clear perception of how events went down.
You also have to take into consideration the fact they might be telling the truth.
We do not know.
So, it's not that there's no evidence, because there's people that are talking.
It's just, it's nothing you can put on a scale.
And we don't know how to read minds yet.
And the problem is, if you read minds, man, I've had some fucking memories of things, then I went back and looked at them, again, like a video of something, and I'm like, wow, I didn't even know I went to there.
We just went over that the other day.
I was talking about Tommy Hearns versus Marvin Hagler, which is one of my all-time favorite fights.
I would have swore it was a second-round knockout.
No, they went to a third round.
Hagler knocked him out in the third round.
I'm like, how the fuck did, in my mind, I would have told you, I'll bet you $1,000.
It was the second round, and I was wrong.
I remembered it.
I remembered it wrong.
There was moments in the fight where the fight's playing out.
And this is something that doesn't have any attachment to me in my life, obviously.
I'm not saying that someone's going to misrepresent their own memory.
Especially someone who's involved in some sort of a violent crime where they're the victim.
I don't know.
Because I think...
That's got to be absolutely horrific, and it's entirely possible that some people can go through an assault or a crime like that and remember everything.
And then there's other people that cannot.
There's people that even black out horrible things because the memory is so disturbing to them that they have to block them out, especially molestations.
A lot of people go through that later in life when they realize what they were trying to suppress.
Your brain is literally trying to save you.
Yeah from these memories because they're too fucking painful so what it does is it buries them I don't know how it works.
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I don't understand it, but no, it's real and then people suddenly at 40 they go wait a minute It's a proven effect It's a proven effect.
So there's all these things that we need to take into consideration.
I think there's also the very real cultural benefit of having our first woman president.
I think culturally.
I just don't think that she's a good representative in terms of her need for financial compensation for speeches and the Goldman Sachs connection and the connection to the Saudis.
I also don't have a fucking clue as to what it's like to deal with foreign policy and foreign leaders.
It's like, you know, people say, well, she's in bed with the Saudis.
They're saying, well, guess what?
The Saudis, whether we like it or not, who do horrific things and export all kinds of Wahhabism and real extremism and are bombing the shit out of Yemen and with our weapons and all kinds of stuff.
Well, she also took a million dollars from Qatar.
Qatar right now is using slave labor to build their World Cup stadium, which they may not even get the World Cup.
So...
It's like, why did they give her a million dollars?
But that, again, goes to, like, we're seeing how all this shit is made right now.
And the simple fact is, if you're upset that she has a close relationship with the Saudis, then you gotta hate Obama for it, too.
Where I think a lot of these people are letting that slide.
I'm not even making a judgment call on it as much to say as...
There are things that are going on at extremely high levels for governments and that we just have to try to decipher some truth to it because we're not going to get it other way.
Saudi Arabia women can't drive.
They can barely go out without men.
They are stuck in, as Bill Maher says, beekeeper costumes in the burqas.
Right?
I mean all of these things.
Well, how could they possibly be our ally if we're four women?
If Barack Obama is four women, if Hillary Clinton is four women, how is Saudi Arabia one of our most stable allies that we give a ton of money to if that's what it is?
The only thing that I would take into consideration is that If I was trying to figure this out as an outsider, I would see there's got to be some benefit to keeping people like that connected to you and obligated to communicate with you and your friend.
But not just oil.
Also, establishing a non-combative relationship with a very, very wealthy Middle East country.
That there more could be done with honey than with vinegar.
You know, that this idea of being connected with those people, there might be some sort of a benefit.
Because they're so alien to us, and they're so dominant in their control over their environment.
Like, you look at these dictators in these foreign countries that we supported for so many years, and you can make the argument that they're horrible, absolutely terrible people that we should have nothing to do with.
You could also make the argument that that part of the world is so fucked up that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection to the people that are in power.
And then that might be the best way to keep everybody safe while we figure out a fucking strategy, how to deal with religious fundamentalist crazy people that literally have trillions of dollars at their disposal to do anything they want.
Well think about Egypt is the best example of what you're talking about because Egypt for 30 years had Mubarak This was a guy.
He was a military guy backed by the United States horrible on human rights and all that other stuff But he kept control of the country basically kept their borders kept peace with Israel basically kept things under control I was in Egypt in 97 and it was pretty disgusting actually even going to the pyramids it was the pollution was terrible and It was the people weren't friendly like I would love to go back.
I have a friend there now who I Who's a youtuber this guy Joe who probably will show his face.
He's an atheist and a free thinker.
Whoa If I could ever get him to the United States, you should have me here the guys really he's great and he does that like freely and openly in Egypt Sometimes he disappears for months and then yes, I He doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing, but when I had him on the show, I said to him, you know, if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask, you don't have to show your face.
You know, you do whatever you want.
And he said, no, I want to show my face.
So, anyway, they had Mubarak for 30 years.
He kept the Muslim Brotherhood.
They were illegal under the time.
Then they have the Tahrir Square Revolution.
What happens?
We, partly, they depose of Mubarak.
They get the Muslim Brotherhood through democracy.
And then a year later, they realized these guys are way worse.
So what they got from democracy was way worse.
So then what happens?
The military then steps in and then has a coup, overthrows the democracy, and now they have a military leader again.
The United States the entire time supported all of that.
So it's like, this is the problem with democracy, and we know this from Iraq, too.
It's like, you can give democracy, but if the institutions aren't there ready to support it, You could get a lot of bad people then, and then, you know, it's just, it's over.
Like, what the hell's going on?
You mentioned Benghazi before.
We got rid of Gaddafi, who is obviously a bad dude.
Do you have any idea what kind of government there is in Libya right now?
So Amber Lyons, because of her stories, she does this investigative piece on Bahrain, and CNN completely turns it into a vacation and tourism commercial.
They cut out all the bad stuff, aired it, and...
I don't remember if she...
Jamie, do you remember if she got fired or if she went up resigning?
I don't remember if she was fired or if she resigned.
I'm sorry, I don't remember.
But the point is, she came on my podcast, she wrote a book, and she sort of explained what would really go on when you try to put together these pieces.
In defense of CNN, I know they had a rebuttal to what she said, and they disagreed with her framing of it, her memory of it.
I don't know.
But it sounds to me like whatever stuff that she found that was very questionable did not make the air.
And that's probably why.
I mean, the CIA has talked pretty openly about having people that work in different news organizations where they sort of frame the news.
He understands, like, when I talked before about, like, knowing what the role of government is and all that stuff that we should know more about in civics and all that.
Like, that guy gets it in and out.
And whether you agree with his politics or not, he did do some stuff with the contract to America to, you know, move the country in a certain way.
Well, he ran four years ago, and they basically remember at that point when- Oh, that's right.
That was the whole ding with his wife, and he left his wife when she was sick, and married another bra, and then- But, you know, in a weird way, he was the precursor to Trump, because do you remember that during those primaries, he would be, you know, he was really good with zingers and with some comedy, and he would get the audience to applaud and cheer and boo, talking about the media, ah, the media, and they'd boo and hiss, and then suddenly the moderators started saying every time, there'll be no booing or applauding or, And it's like, sit there like a fucking robot.
And then it's going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera, like two mirrors facing themselves with infinite cameramen in each direction.
All of us could do better with a little less interaction digitally.
I think it's happening so fast that, you know, like we're talking about people at restaurants that are constantly on their phone, and when you check them on it, they get upset.
I've been upset.
People tell me to put my phone down.
I'm like, I gotta do this!
It's normal.
It's a natural reaction I think we have.
I think all of us are going to eventually, though, step into that great divide in the future Is going to be everybody all the time connected to everybody all the time, and it's going to be very weird.
I think it's going to change thought.
I think we really are going to become like some sort of a bizarre hive mind.
They've done studies where the internet already, when they look at internet addicts, that they find that the wiring in their brain actually has changed.
It's changed certain synapse.
It's actually caused, like, membranes to shrink and to all kinds of stuff.
Last...
I think it was May.
For eight days, I never take off.
I don't remember the last time I took some actual time off.
Well, that's why I framed it like that, between Joe Rogan, the public person, and then actually the human that has to go ahead and live and do this operation and have kids and a wife and all those things.
Those are two separate things, and yet you've got to bring them somehow into harmony so that they can exist together.
He's just like a crazy fuck who was saying that all these women, you know, have lied because he's been accused of sexual assault and that people pay a million dollars for one drop of his sperm.
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He's like, one drop of my sperm, one million dollars they pay.
But that goes to the worship thing that we were talking about and that's like we see these people worshipping Hillary or worshipping Trump and it's like they are not going to solve all your problems and not only are they not going to solve problems, they shouldn't.
The president should keep the roads safe.
The president should make sure nobody bombs us.
The president should make sure the economy keeps chugging along.
I think there's so many people like that that are complicated.
We have this narrative that's been created by film and by books.
We have this false narrative of this perfect human being, this John Wayne character who rides off in the sunset.
This Clint Eastwood, where, you know, Sandra Locke is always waving goodbye to him as he rides off.
You know, away from the Indians like this is all a false narrative and it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that and we kind of expect that out of our leaders instead of I think that's not the case in other countries like in Europe in particular right in Europe like in France like Politicians, they have fucking affairs and shit.
He was writing the very laws that ultimately freed the slaves.
While at the same time, in effect, you could argue, and I'm sure people have argued this, that he was raping a slave because if it is about power, even if she was fully down with it, She was his slave.
Absolutely.
But at the same time, he was also writing the very laws to free them.
That shows you how flawed all of us are.
That you could hate him for owning slaves.
You could hate him for having this relationship with this woman and all that.
And at the same time, he was instrumental in writing the very laws that made us all equal.
So that goes, and you could, that's why it's so dangerous when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our morality of today on other people.
It's on other times.
It's so dangerous because you could look at him and go, fuck that guy.
Let's erase every bit of history the way we did with the Dukes of Hazzard car and all that shit.
I think it should be on the car and TV Land shouldn't have taken the show off the air.
You know what I mean?
Like, Bill Cosby, I told you this last time I was here, like, that guy was my hero.
I went into comedy because I was five years old and I saw Bill Cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and, you know, Theo and Vanessa and the whole thing.
And I thought it was the funniest fucking thing ever and it changed my life.
It changed the course of my life.
Now my childhood hero is the biggest serial rapist of all time.
You could absolutely draw a line between Bill Cosby and Barack Obama.
You can clearly draw a line that if Bill Cosby- That sounds so racist.
They're both black, so there you go.
No.
But you could draw a line to say that if that show had not been on NBC primetime and had he not done that middle-class, upstanding family that was incredibly funny and all the great stuff about Cosby, that that led to eventually, 20-some-odd years later, Barack Obama being president.
Like a lot of his morality, and this goes back to the sort of tide thing, the slingshot effect, that a lot of his sort of projected morality was to make up for the fact that he was drugging chicks and raping them.
So he was America's dad, right?
And he was also like the upstanding citizen for the black community to get upset if comedians would swear.
Yeah, but here it says, but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since.
According to Michael Eric Dyson, a sociology professor at Georgetown University and acclaimed author of his Bill Cosby Wright and numerous other books, Cosby dropped out of high school after he flunked his 10th grade three times.
He enlisted in the Navy where he got his GED, then he enrolled in Temple, where he dropped out to pursue a show business career.
His unfinished bachelor degree from Temple was eventually bestowed upon him because of his life experience.
Cosby enrolled in a part-time doctoral student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, which awarded him.
See, so that's it.
So he dropped out of high school, came back, got his GED, enrolled in Temple, dropped out of that, and got a doctorate for writing about a cartoon.
I think the sooner we recognize how flawed The better we're going to be off.
And I think, also, this is another thing that I've talked about on stage before, but it's a real issue.
I don't think human beings are designed to take in the data from media.
I don't think we can truly distinguish the difference between false narratives and fiction.
I mean, I know we can.
You know when you go to see a fucking movie, you know it's a movie.
You leave.
Well, that was a good movie, man.
Goddamn.
Can't wait for Doctor Strange 2. Yeah.
You know?
We know it's a movie, but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to, even though we have to separate it and move it around, that impact is there.
We're designed to follow like the tribal leader, this old guy with scars who's fucking survived battles and he has wisdom and he knows the poems and we sit around the fire and we follow him because of actual real live accomplishments and real live things that we've seen.
This is how he stays alive.
This is how you stay alive.
There's only 30 of us, okay?
We got fucking bear skins on and we're living in a cave and we don't have much time.
We gotta follow that guy.
He knows how to stay alive and we might not make it and this is a very real concern because we know tribes that are gone, right?
So this is like how human beings develop for fucking thousands of thousands of years, if you believe in evolution, when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to his cell phone.
There's a lot of steps along the way.
And in those steps, we developed a lot of these human reward systems where you get used to and look forward to certain things, because those things, those rewards will keep you alive.
Whether it's being attractive to females, you will spread your DNA that way.
You must be concerned about this.
Whether it's overcoming the adversaries, because if you don't, they're going to kill you.
You have to figure out how to stay quiet when you're hunting.
It's one of the reasons today why women enjoy gossip and men enjoy quiet and why the two are sometimes incompatible.
There's a design.
Women are designed.
They were trying to keep the fucking tribe together so they sit around washing clothes.
Did you hear this dirty bitch fucks everybody when we go to sleep?
That's where it came from.
And with the men, they're out in these hunting parties.
They're like, everybody shut the fuck up, okay?
Let's pay attention.
We've got to stay close here.
This is the whole reason why there's a difference in the way these two behave.
This has all been well-established by sociologists and by people who have studied human behavior.
I think that where we're at now, with movies and songs, you're getting this data in a way we don't know how to process.
We obviously can rationalize and go, well, I know that's just a song, or I know that's just a movie, and I know that Indiana Jones isn't a real guy, and he wouldn't just survive every time the fucking bowling ball-sized boulder comes his way.
But those narratives and this life version is all data that's entering into the human consciousness.
And the more we expose ourselves to it, when kids are watching eight hours of fucking television, and people are constantly engrossed in their phones and all this two-dimensional data and video and all these different things on YouTube, the more that stuff gets into your mind, into your life, the less you're experiencing the actual life.
It's almost like a preparation.
For us being a part of this hive mind, these are the steps you take when you create this sort of new type of being.
You're talking about the matrix, that we're slowly morphing into this thing.
And that's why people have to understand that what happens there isn't real yet.
So sort of jumping all the way back to that Leslie Jones thing, when people say mean things to you, I'm sure if you looked at your Twitter right now, somebody's probably saying something.
For real, my show was taken off when I was on here last time, and by you giving it a little bump here, and then you've been real good to me on social media, you've helped amplify what I do.
And in the process of that, I now...
All my social media, when I scroll...
In a weird way, it's become sort of meaningless.
It's become all noise, because if 95% of it's good, which it usually is, well, then it's like, oh, there's another nice one.
Part of the price to pay for a little success here is that the part that used to be fun when I would play around with people more on there and spend more time interacting, it's become such a calvacate of craziness that I just don't have the time.
I just don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else.
I have a lot going on, and it's like...
So that's been a little bit of a sacrifice along the way.
And I think if you have anything to offer, and this is one of the things that I'm finding, it's kind of important to me, and I've tried to...
I've tried to engineer this in my own life in a way is that I've got to have as much life experiences or more than I do work Because like just working like if I just did podcasts every day I would have things to say because there's always something going on in the world But I think I wouldn't be doing my own perspective a service I think to do my perspective a service to be honest about it.
I need to experience things I need to live life.
I need to You know travel to places.
Yeah I need to do things that are difficult.
I need to get involved in a lot of activities.
I like to do different things.
First of all, because I enjoy them, first and foremost.
And I think embracing that I enjoy them benefits me in a great way, too.
Because when I do things that I enjoy, I get happy.
When I get happy, I work better.
And I think if I didn't do that, and if I didn't actively seek out, it's really easy for a lot of people to find this.
They get caught up in work so much that that's all they focus on.
And then I think you'd stop being the person who got to that position in the first place.
The person who got to that position in the first place got there because people liked what you talked about or what you thought about.
And the only way that even gets more enhanced is by experiencing things.
And yesterday, I'm trying to hook up some speakers in the house, and I have some old-ass stereo that I've had forever, and I'm trying to hook this shit up.
And...
It was driving me crazy, but halfway through, after like three hours of fucking pulling things out of the wall and, you know, the old wires, the little metal ones that you gotta turn and jamming them into speakers and negative A's.
I think there's definitely something to that, but I went to the Vatican this summer, and I think it was more fun than you installing your stereo, and I think I learned more about people and looking at, you know, St. Peter's Basilica than I ever would have done, screwing together some fucking wires and sticking them into some box that makes noise.
I bet I can beat you on that, because many years ago, I believe around 97, I think it might have been the same trip that I ended up in Egypt, I went to Amsterdam, I, like, basically shroomed for, like, eight days, and then we wanted, so my buddy and I, we wanted to take...
If someone could prove something to me, then I would believe it.
If you told me that LeBron James dunked from half court, well, I'd need to see video.
You know, like I wouldn't just...
You did?
Well, hot damn, you know?
So why wouldn't I apply that same logic to the biggest questions of the universe?
But even not being a believer, you can acknowledge that the work that these people had to do, that maybe they felt some divine spirit, they felt something in themselves that I can't explain or whatever, That there's an incredible power to that.
I mean, go to Jerusalem.
You can look at the Western Wall is literally, you know, the holiest site in Judaism is adjacent with the Temple Mount.
The Dome of the Rock is right on top of that, the third holiest site in Islam.
And if you walk five minutes the other way, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre where Jesus was crucified is right there.
I mean, so whether you believe in this stuff or not, it...
The facts on the ground exist, and you have to acknowledge that some people find meaning and value in that.
We could argue whether that has been a destructive force throughout time or...
Well, I think in a lot of ways religion is like Bill Cosby.
It's both.
You know it's it's helped people and it's hurt a lot I mean religion has been responsible for some horrible atrocities and not just one religion like many many religions but like many many groups of power many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for themselves they protect themselves ruthlessly especially when they have massive amounts of power that doesn't make any sense in the world like when you look at Any sort of a coup or any sort of a usurping of power,
like it's someone who has massive amounts of power and someone else wants that massive amounts of power and they conquer them and take over them.
And it's always like this spectacular chaotic event.
And that's what human beings sort of...
That's what they do.
They establish positions of power, and then they abuse them.
And they're almost begging for some better, smarter person to come along and take it from them.
I think about that sometimes, even when I'd be walking where I used to live in West Hollywood, where it's next to Beverly Hills.
It's a nice area.
And that all these people are sort of walking...
There's nice shops there, and everyone kind of looks good.
So it's sort of where they go to the gym, they tan, they get...
They're like they're all working on themselves all day doing their own thing and it's and you're right it's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that there is something else happening there is a real power play happening in the world where there are forces that want to change things either for what may be better for you or worse for you or whatever and most people just ignore it because it's a lot easier to get lost in Twitter or watch the Kardashians or country club kids of the world that's That's what we are.
We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world that don't realize the consequences of flying drones into Yemen and bombing wedding parties.
You know, there's like the consequence that's attached to those people.
It would be so significant if it was happening on this patch of dirt.
But since it's happening over there, we don't think of it as a big a deal.
Could you imagine what would happen if someone from another country had flown a drone over the United States and accidentally bombed some sort of a wedding party in Phoenix?
And, you know, here's the defense of Clinton, the major Clinton, Bill, because, you know, not a defense of whatever he may or may not have done physically to all those people that are accusing him of things, but about the speeches that he does and all the money that he's trying to acquire.
People forget how ruthlessly prosecuted he was by Kenneth Starr while he was in office and how crazy all that situation was.
Maybe I'm confusing, because Karl Rove is definitely a part of the Jeff Gannon story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't, you know, I don't know what that could have possibly been like for them, but I know that when Bill Clinton got out of office, apparently he was deeply in debt because of his legal fees.
And the whole thing was just like off the chart.
That was one of the things that Hillary talked about.
Like she had said that when they left, when he left the office, they were dead broke.
And fucking, not just dead broke, but beaten down by public scandal, and you're in debt to the tune of who knows how many dollars, and you've lost all your money to legal cases because you're fighting off impeachment by all these crazy people that want to prosecute you for doing shit that pretty much every president has done since the beginning of time, whipped his dick out, and people just start sucking it because they're the fucking king.
Because it's crazy to be in that position in the first place.
But the difference being that he didn't raise his hand and put his hand on the Bible and say, do you solemnly swear to tell the truth?
I have to know you're really honest, like now.
This is the time where you can't lie anymore.
So we have this crazy rule that if you do lie during that time, it's so different than when you lie about what FBI Administrator Comey, or whatever the fuck his title is, Comey says about what you did versus what you think you did.
I got a P50, Lenovo ThinkPad P50. So anyway, I get this ThinkPad, and it has Windows 7. Well, the newest Windows is Windows 10. So I try upgrading to Windows 10. Oh, jeez.
Three and a half hours later, after two fucking live chats with people, they can't figure out how to get it to work.
Two different people I'm talking to with tech support.
Isn't it funny how sometimes, like, for as connected as you may be, sometimes some technology just kind of gets past you and then you realize you just, like, missed something.
So for the last, like, five years, I've been using Firefox.
I'm using Firefox.
Nothing would work.
Videos would freeze.
Audio would freeze.
I couldn't open three windows at once.
A whole bunch of shit.
And then my director, Amira, saw me clicking Firefox.
And she was, you know, she's 23 or 24 and she was laughing hysterically like, you fucking idiot.
What are you doing?
Why are you doing that?
And then she said, you got to get on Chrome.
And I was like, no, that can't be any different than Firefox.
I thought everybody was on Firefox.
Like, for as much as I'm in this thing, I don't know, I got on Firefox and I just was there.
Like if someone sends you a picture and it's attached to your text message, the picture like automatically goes into a folder and may not even exist on the text stream.
I like the physical button and I do miss the headphone jack.
Guess what?
Sometimes I want to have a headphone plugged in while I'm in my car so I can talk to someone with a thing dangling from my ear because it's way easier to hear them than it is through speakerphone.
But the thing is, that goes to my point, if they know that you're going to buy this shit no matter what, and they knew the day they put this out, they're going to make X amount of hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more.
So the more that we instinctively just go to them, the actual less they have, there's less incentive for them to give us good, innovative shit.
Because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it, and we all do it anyway.
I'm going to find out about Windows 10, and I'm going to find out about Android.
I'm going to give them both a shot.
I've decided that recently.
I was like, this is just too instinctive a move for me to just go to Apple.
I remember when I was on news radio.
It's when Apple wasn't really even that good.
It was before OS X, which was the big operating system change where it went to a Unix-based system.
It was like, it would freeze up before.
No memory protection.
You couldn't really multitask correctly.
It didn't have what they call preemptive multitasking.
So, like, the tech people didn't appreciate the Mac platform until OSX. And then OSX had this really, like, responsive user interface.
It was very cool.
Little animation things would happen when you click on things.
And I saw that and went, whoa!
Okay, I'm gonna try it.
I'm gonna try it.
So that's when I jump back over from Windows to Mac again.
And there's so many people that get in these clans.
It's like we were talking about with Republicans versus Democrats.
There's a lot of clans.
Like, when I was on the set of news radio, one of the guys, this is back when Mac sucked, one of the guys was like, you know, do you hear our sales are up?
Our sales are up?
And he's talking about, like, Macs.
I go, our sales?
He's like, sales of Mac, because he'd wear Apple t-shirts and shit.
But, you know, Apple, for all the cries of everybody with Trump and the taxes, because everything these days is somehow linked back together, you know, Apple pays virtually no corporate taxes.
It proves his point because it's like, all right, I'm doing what's legal.
At the end of the year, when you go to pay your taxes, I'm pretty sure you tell your accountant the same thing that every sensible person does, which is do whatever is legal and I want to pay the least amount of taxes.
Right, so that in itself may be legit, but the idea that, but if she releases your emails, I'll forget that whole thing with the audit and I'll go ahead and do it.
Don't you think though that that would, if he did release his taxes while they were auditing him, it could possibly affect, for sure, because it would affect public opinion.
We know for a fact that public opinion has had a big impact on things that may, you know, if people didn't get outraged about it, maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move in a certain direction.
But that's the point, is that if you feel that this stuff is broken, that the tax system is broken, and all these guys that can hide money in offshore accounts, if you think all that's broken, don't be upset at the businessman who used it.
Now, that doesn't mean what he was doing was ethical or whatever.
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
That's a different conversation.
But you have to be upset at the people who put the laws in place that allow this to happen.
Any businessman just uses the system as it exists.
So when all these people are like, well, Trump makes his ties in Mexico.
Yeah, he's a smart businessman in that regard.
He uses cheap Mexican labor.
If you're upset that that is the reality, then be upset at the people who set up those trade deals.
So I'm not defending the ethics of his business practices.
I'm just saying, as you said, they're beholden to their stock shares and their holders and all that stuff.
So I'm just saying, if he didn't do anything illegal, then he just played the system.
So you should be angry at the system.
And you can say he's immoral or took advantage in a way that a more or less unscrupulous business person may not have, and maybe that's the type of person you would want to work with and not a Donald Trump.
If you're running for president and you're making your ties over there, you should stop.
Because you're saying there's something wrong with a company taking their stuff and moving over there and profiting from it and taking jobs out of America.
That as human beings that live in the United States and the world, the United States of America, one of the most fortunate countries, if not the most fortunate in the world, we will respect our American privilege and, you know, not be willing to subjugate people that live in impoverished countries to, like, taking advantage...
Don't take advantage of their unfortunate circumstances.
Like if you're living in a very poor third-world country and a Nike factory opens up or whatever You can't as a as a person who is aware that they have the best like Location roll the dice that's available today.
You're living in America.
You're born here The fact that you're going to make someone in some other country work essentially with slave labor.
The phone you buy, this fucking iPhone that I have in my hand, is made in a factory where they have nets around the factory because so many people have tried to kill themselves that they made it where they catch you in a fucking net when you jump off the roof because they were cleaning up bodies off the ground.
And when people defend it, they defend it in the most bizarre way.
The defense is, yeah, but the percentage of people that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit suicide in the culture.
I mean, it's scary, scary stuff when you get down to the nitty gritty of how things are manufactured and constructed in order for us to get them at a reasonable price.
And it's just really spooky that we're willing to do that.
It's also the unintended consequences of having this business model of unlimited growth.
And what we're talking about, about Trump.
Having a sort of responsibility to its shareholders just like Apple having a responsibility to their shareholders like this this thing of unlimited growth places morality at the end of the list of Motivations for what you're doing and there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that takes place when you have a gigantic group of people They call themselves a corporation.
You're just a little piece of that corporation It's not like Dave Rubin's out there making people work for 13 cents an hour and No, it's Microsoft or it's, you know, Hitachi or, you know, fill in the blank.
I don't know if those companies do bad things, but whatever company it is.
Apple.
It's paying people ridiculously low wages.
I mean, that is what it is, you know?
The corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones, and you have to figure out a way to get them.
And can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years and just fucking casting them out?
Can you do that?
Yeah, but they're good.
They do a good job.
Fuck them.
How about you cut them off and you make asshole face to the right, work four extra hours a day.
You know, while they have, you know, the fancy, you know, they probably all have Teslas and all that shit.
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And the people that are literally making the shit, not just the ones coming up with the ideas in Cupertino, because they always say we're in It is interesting how we really distinguish very clearly the difference between the person who has the idea and the person who puts the idea together with their fingers.
But without that person putting it together, it never gets done.
The manufacturing process does not just include the people that buy the machines.
That includes the people that work for the people that buy the machines.
But the people that buy the machines get so much more money than the people that work for them.
And then the people that design the plans and give them to the people that buy the machines, they get even more money.
They get the most money.
The people who design the idea is most important.
And I don't know if that's because of the nature of the thing, that it's set up that way because those are the people, the people at the very top are the ones that are going to expand this weird thing that we're doing, expand this technological sort of progression, this ongoing wave of improvement and innovation that we demand.
If they were to gauge happiness of the average person who had the exact same physical attributes as you that grew up in the same town you grew up in in 1950...
Versus right now, is there any quantifiable difference?
And I would guess that basically it's no.
That doesn't mean this thing hasn't done incredible things, because Tahrir Square, all the revolutions that haven't really worked out the way they're supposed to, but it connected people all over the world.
And that's pretty awesome.
So it does, of course, it does great stuff.
But in terms of what are we actually chasing constantly, as you said, there's no end, because once it's always profit...
Well, we got new, new, new, new, new.
So you're not chasing happiness.
You're not chasing fulfillment.
You're not chasing, you know, whatever the end game of the human experience is.
Our thirst for technology is probably connected in some way to this thing wanting to emerge.
And that as we become more and more materialistic and interested in the latest and greatest, we fuel this innovation.
We're a part of it, whether we like it or know it or not.
That's why, as a human being, it's very frustrating and confusing when you're addicted to technology, when you're caught up in it and locked away in it.
And for me, I find that the only way I stay happy is by being involved in very physical things.
Like, and I think that's one of the reasons why record numbers of people are depressed today.
I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements, their biological human requirements.
For me, exercise is gigantic.
Meditation is also gigantic, which I also consider a very physical thing because it's a focused concentration internally.
Versus on whatever bullshit is on my fucking Twitter feed or whatever Facebook feed or dealing with some nonsense about a job You don't really give a fuck about instead of that I'm focusing on things that are important to me like the management of the actual mind itself mm-hmm I think Putting yourself in competition scenarios, putting in things where you have to perform under pressure.
That's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to jiu-jitsu.
Because then it's like this high-level problem-solving thing that you're doing all the time, and it makes regular life seem so much more easy to manage.
And regular dilemmas are nothing compared to a fucking 190-pound man who's built like a gorilla on your back trying to choke you to sleep.
My nonsense in talking to you about switching to Windows 10 and a fucking Google phone, it's bullshit.
It's stupid.
It's not going to fix anything.
And I'm not trying to.
I'm not claiming to.
I'm not claiming that I ever possibly could or have the influence.
But what I'm saying is, you as a human being have an obligation to yourself To extract that happy juice out of your body in a positive way.
And I don't think we're designed to sit at desks.
I don't think we're designed for fluorescent lights.
I don't think we're designed for movies.
And all those things are great.
All those things are great.
But you've got to manage the amount of exposure you have to that shit.
You have to manage the amount of exposure you have to fictitional narratives.
You have to manage the kind of exposure you have to electronic influence.
It's just like you have to manage the type of people that are in your life.
We're around people that are complaining all the time.
If you're just around people that are just whining, like, oh my god, another day.
I'm sure you didn't see the movie, but there's this kid's movie about...
Inside Out.
And it's about this girl's brain.
It's a little kid's movie I saw with my daughters.
But it's a little kid's movie about this girl has these characters in her brain.
One of them's Anger.
And Louis Black plays Anger, which is fucking awesome.
And the other one is Sadness.
And Sadness is like, whoa, everything's so sad.
And everything sadness touches becomes sadness like everything turns blue It's kind of an interesting movie because it's funny.
It's entertaining But it's also it's kind of there's a lesson to be learned for children that like you can you can Marinate in those fucking thoughts you can allow those thoughts to influence and touch all these different aspects of your life Or you can figure out how to stop them like understand what they are These are these are these thoughts or it's almost like a living thing like a life force and that living thing can grow if you feed it but But if you don't feed it, you push it aside, and you feed the positive thing, you can manage that little fucker.
And if you just allow these deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind, where you immediately fall into complaining, and the woe is me, it never works out for me...
Someone sent me a text the other day comparing two people.
The same thing happened.
Two people were at the same event.
And one person had this horrific, like, oh my god, this is terrible.
This is the worst.
This is such a waste of my time.
And the other person was, well, it hasn't been good yet, but hey, there's still time!
Exclamation point.
Smiley face.
I'm like, this is a perfect example of the difference between two different people in the exact same experience having two different patterns that they allow their brain to go down.
And again, this is not to disparage people who have legitimate mental imbalances where they need medication.
I have a bunch of friends that have had that.
But the question with that is, is that nature a nurture?
What is causing these negative thoughts in your mind?
Is it a biological issue that you have because part of you is not working correctly, which is entirely possible?
Or is it you've embraced these negative thoughts and this negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences, and you've embraced it to the point where you're unable to take these positive thought patterns?
You almost have to go to a retreat.
They almost have to kidnap you and put you on some island somewhere where somebody talks to you and goes, hey man, this is life.
Right now is life.
You don't have to get back to that email.
I know you think you do.
You don't have to get back to those people that are negative that are in your life.
You don't have to.
This is life.
This right here.
Breathe in.
Breathe out.
You're alive.
You're also alive in...
Maybe the greatest fucking time the world has ever known.
I mean, come on, man.
It's never been easier to get food.
It's never been safer to walk the streets.
There's never been more cool people to communicate with.
This is the best fucking time ever.
Like, don't go, woe is me, because some girl doesn't want to suck your dick anymore.
Can you just fucking stop and relax for a moment?
If you were a 90-year-old man living in Ecuador, you know, that his whole life he'd been forced to be a farmer working for pennies and eating fucking raw potatoes and shit, and someone gave you the opportunity to come here and be you now, how good?
In an interesting way, you're almost making a case though for people to, that the key to happiness in the midst of this technological monstrosity that we're part of, that the key really is to disconnect yourself from it.
I think for me, at least, my best happiness comes from when I have discipline in avoiding the technology or limiting my access to the technology and consciously choosing to do other things.
Get involved in, you know, like whether it's yoga or archery or, you know, go run marathons or go, you know, get involved in, you know, go enter a jiu-jitsu tournament, go climb a mountain.
There's things that people do that are hard to do and you don't just do it to get to the top of the mountain, I think, or to, you know, finish that, cross that line that you decide you're going to run to.
You do it because your body requires it.
Your brain may require it.
Like you as a being, as an entity.
Problem solving and puzzle solving is a part of who you are.
Overcoming adversity is a muscle that's got to be exercised.
Because if it's not, then once the shit hits the fan, you fucking fall apart.
And we all know people like that.
That just when one bad thing goes on in their life, they become blabbering fucking idiots.
And just once you're doing something, it's usually pretty easy to do it.
Like once you're working out, it's pretty easy to be there.
Once you start like, oh, this is what I'm doing now, and I actually start enjoying it.
It's making yourself take that step.
There's a lot of times before yoga class where I'm like, I could just stay here and watch TV and fucking put my feet up and do nothing, man.
I'm feeling kind of sore.
Maybe I should relax.
Like your brain starts playing all these fucking mind games with you.
But when you do go to yoga class and you take that class and 90 minutes later you've lost fucking eight pounds of sweat and you've been freaking out and almost blacking out, when you get out of there you feel better.
What do you think about the fact that you are your own boss also?
Because you pretty much, I know you have outside gigs too, but for the most part, probably 90% of what you do, I would guess, is you are in charge of the ultimate decisions, if not 100%, maybe.
And it's also an honor, and there's a massive obligation to respect and represent the people that are competing in what I think is one of the most difficult physical endeavors in all of sports.
If not the most.
I think it's incredibly difficult to do, and I feel like I'm in a very privileged position to represent those people.
But yeah, I like it that I don't need it.
Yeah, I love that.
I love that.
I like not having a boss, man, even though my boss is amazing.
That job is the greatest job of all time.
I like doing things when I want to do them, too.
But it's not like I'm lazy, so I push myself to do a lot of shit.
And I, you know, I have goals and I accomplish them or attempt to and I have, you know, commitments as far as like writing and performing and producing things.
But, yeah, being your own boss, man, if you could pull it off, is like the greatest thing ever.
I mean, I went independent in June, so I'm not even six months out of that.
And not only was it the smartest business decision I ever made, which partly was because I saw guys like you and Corolla and a couple other guys that I was like, wait a minute, they built great brands, they have their fans, and they're doing it.
I was like, oh, there's actual template for this if I built my audience correctly.
And I just took the risk and said, let's see what happens.
And We launched this Patreon campaign, which is where fans can donate per month whatever they want.
So you do like two bucks, you get a newsletter.
We have people that donate 250, and I Skype with them every month, and a whole bunch of different things.
I didn't know when I woke up the next morning after we launched it, it might have been over.
My career literally might have been over, just like that, because I quit my job.
I had no job, my producer had no job, my director had no job, no insurance, no nothing.
And I woke up, and our fans showed up, and they took care of us.
And because of that, now in the six months since then, now I bought this house, I'm building the studio, and we're figuring out all other ways to make deals and all that kind of stuff.
But I still wake up sometimes, this is what my point was, I still wake up sometimes and I'm like, wait a minute, do I have to answer to somebody?
And that's one of the things that Scott Adams has said sort of about the election is that there's such chaos now, but whatever happens after, out of chaos, something new will happen.
May not be good immediately, may not be bad immediately.
We don't know what that will be, but the chaos, the chance, the risk will now allow for something else to happen.
So all these people who, you know, all these pundits who got everything wrong for the last year and, oh, it's going to be Rubio, it's going to be Cruz, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, you don't wanna be that guy who just wishes they took that chance, and you're still working for some company, and they still treat you like shit.
I mean, because...
In that sense, you're the person making the phones.
You're not the person with the idea.
And the person with the idea, especially if you're a smart guy like you are, you do yourself a disservice if you don't express yourself completely fully and without any reserve or any reservations.
And when you work for someone, you always have a reservation.
You're always worried, man.
You're always, like, biting your tongue or flavoring your words.
Or, you know, they come into your office and go, Dave, you've been really hard on Clinton.
I think it's really important.
Mike, you know, the producer, he's got hashtag I'm with her on his Twitter account.
And we just want you to just think about doing that.
Like, criticize her if you choose to, but be balanced.
You have to be Dave Rubin with a mortgage who's worried about losing his job.
That's not good for business.
It's not good for thinking.
It's not good for humans.
It's not good for the business of culture.
I don't mean business, but the endeavor.
The endeavor of culture.
The endeavor of culture requires some sort of an open discourse.
And that includes shit like WikiLeaks, okay?
That's a part of the open discourse.
When you tell someone like Chelsea Manning that they can't let anybody know about this horrific shit that's going on that you know is illegal, you've set up this sort of a system where you're stopping data from going through, you're stopping people from communicating, and you're going to ultimately stop people from expressing their opinions on what was communicated, which is going to stop progress.
Clinton's going to win and everyone's going to hate her and it's going to be a record number of people that are intolerant and say crazy shit and we're going to have to all figure out a way to get along.
I think most likely Hillary's gonna win, but I absolutely could see just some giant fuck up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public opinion.
I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think people choose to take polls very often.