Sept. 28, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Five, four, three, two, one. | |
| Now, most people in America consider Calabasas to be one of the safest places. | ||
| That's where the Kardashians chose to live, not Adam Greentree. | ||
| Adam Greentree lives in Australia, surrounded by brown snakes, which kill you like instantly, right? | ||
| Don't they kill you? | ||
| Pretty quick? | ||
| Yeah, pretty quick. | ||
| How many spiders do you have that'll kill you instantly? | ||
| Like a ton of them. | ||
| A hundred. | ||
| A hundred, right? | ||
| You've got crocodiles. | ||
| You've bathed. | ||
| I saw the video of you and Cam Haynes in a fucking puddle that crocodiles swim around in. | ||
| That might have been my idea, too. | ||
| But yet, the one day he's in Calabasas, which is like the safest place in America. | ||
| Untrue, but yep. | ||
| Well, tell me what happened. | ||
| Well, so I hopped out of the hotel first thing this morning to go and try and find a decent coffee here in America. | ||
| And there's police surrounding the whole area where the coffee shop was and they had guns drawn and everything. | ||
| And then I heard later that someone actually had a gun out and there might have even been shots fired. | ||
| Yeah, crazy stuff. | ||
| And then I'm like... | ||
| Had a coffee bean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was, had a coffee bean, yeah. | ||
| Find out what happened, Jamie. | ||
| See if there's a story. | ||
| I said it was probably like some wife mad at her husband. | ||
| Yeah, it seemed more serious than that. | ||
| Called in the police. | ||
| He's got a gun! | ||
| Like, that's happened before. | ||
| That happened with Ron White. | ||
| I think his girlfriend packed a gun in his luggage. | ||
| That happened with Sam Kinison, too. | ||
| His girlfriend packed a loaded gun in his luggage and then called the police on him. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But straight away, I'm like, it's safer in the mountains with the grizzly bears and crap. | ||
| Yes and no. | ||
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Definitely is. | |
| Definitely not safer if you actually run into a grizzly bear. | ||
| But for the most part, it's pretty peaceful, right? | ||
| Yeah, most people are worried about grizzly bears, but you could be around them for days and days, and most likely nothing's going to happen. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| But when you were up there, did you run into some wolves? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I've seen wolves, and then the grizzly bear's the one that sort of really scared me. | ||
| I had a handgun out, and I actually had to draw that handgun a few times while I was up in the mountains. | ||
| Yeah, there was one real big grizzly, like size 11 boots, that come in around camp and was hunting all the trails around camp. | ||
| Size 11 boots, so it's like a 12-inch pad? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| How big do you think it was? | ||
| Did you see the actual bear itself? | ||
| Yeah, so once I actually killed the bull, which was about day 10 or 11, he was sleeping on the carcass about 60 metres from it. | ||
| He was sleeping on your carcass? | ||
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He slept on it. | |
| Did he eat some of it? | ||
| He didn't touch it. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, it was like the first day. | ||
| So I killed that bull in the afternoon, packed out a decent load of meat that night, went back in the first morning, the next morning, to pack out the rest of the meat, and was going in there looking, thinking there could be a bear on the carcass. | ||
| And sure enough, I seen a bit of brown hair in the creek bottom. | ||
| So he's just sleeping on it? | ||
| Just sleeping there. | ||
| And so I yelled at him. | ||
| He pricked his ears up and had a look around. | ||
| I yelled at him the second time and he jumped up and... | ||
| He disappeared like that. | ||
| Like, scary. | ||
| This is thick timber. | ||
| A lot of deadfall and everything. | ||
| And he just disappeared through that. | ||
| And it actually got me thinking that if you didn't see a bear coming from a distance, handgun, bear spray, whatever you've got, you'd be in serious trouble. | ||
| Because he just left that scene dead quiet and in a flash. | ||
| They can move so fast in those pads that they have on the bottoms of their feet. | ||
| It makes them so silent. | ||
| Padded and quiet, yeah. | ||
| And you would think that a thousand-pound animal wouldn't be able to move that quick. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm strapping meat to my pack. | ||
| Obviously, there's always a blind spot when you're hunched over. | ||
| I reckon it took me three times longer to get the meat on my pack because I was just constantly looking over, waiting for that bear to come back. | ||
| Because I haven't actually been to the carcass again yet. | ||
| I've seen the bear on the way back in. | ||
| Pretty scary. | ||
| How big was it? | ||
| Giant. | ||
| Big. | ||
| Like 11 feet tall? | ||
| Yeah, it'd be 11 feet tall. | ||
| Yeah, scary. | ||
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And you're alone, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep into the mountains. | |
| At the end of that hunt, I was talking to the fishing game warden in the area, and a big grizzly had gone into another hunter's camp on the mountain and just absolutely destroyed his camp. | ||
| Now, I don't know if it was the same bear or a different bear, but on three occasions, a big brown bear or grizzly come back into my camp. | ||
| And each night that he'd come in, he'd get a little bit closer. | ||
| So the first night he circled camp about 50, 60 metres away. | ||
| The next night he circled camp about 30 metres away. | ||
| And the third time he came in, he'd come right into the back of camp, like 15 metres away, let out this gnarly growl. | ||
| And at this point, my buddy Grant Hughes has come in to help me pack out some meat. | ||
| He's in his tent, I'm in my tent, when you hear this bear walking in through the snow and lets out a growl. | ||
| I didn't want to go... | ||
| Like, Grant, did you hear that? | ||
| Or, Grant, there's a bear in camp. | ||
| I didn't want to let the bear know that I'm in the tent, man. | ||
| I just laid there dead quiet. | ||
| I had the handgun sitting on my chest, loaded, ready to go. | ||
| And I laid awake for like three hours. | ||
| Like, you heard the bear walk off. | ||
| And I laid awake for three hours, and I get up in the morning, and I'm like, dude, did you hear that bear? | ||
| And he's like, did I hear the bear? | ||
| Holy shit, dude. | ||
| I didn't want to move or make a sound. | ||
| He had the same idea as me. | ||
| He didn't want to give away his location. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, it took me three hours to get to sleep. | ||
| And he's like, sleep? | ||
| You got fucking sleep? | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| He was like, hell pissed off, man. | ||
| He laid awake all night. | ||
| Well, you're in like a tent burrito. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're a human burrito. | ||
| And you're even staying warm in your sleeping bag, you know? | ||
| He's got to be able to smell you, too. | ||
| They must know you're in there. | ||
| I wonder if they smell you and then they smell the meat, what they would be more attracted to. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't reckon I smell real good, so hopefully the meat... | ||
| I bet they like things that don't smell good, though. | ||
| They probably do, yeah. | ||
| Meat was hanging up probably a good mile from camp, because we had a few different drop points, because it was a four days hike out of meat. | ||
| So we had different drop points along the way, and I never wanted to take any meat in the camp except for what I'd be eating each night. | ||
| Which cooked meat might smell pretty good to a bear, but I was more concerned about the scent that we would be carrying on our boots from meat site to meat site and then walking back into camp. | ||
| But that bear had already been in the camp. | ||
| He knew where we were and he was doing his rounds obviously every night. | ||
| Have you done an adventure like this before? | ||
| This is an epic adventure because you went to Montana, you parked, and then how many miles did you go deep into the woods? | ||
| It was probably about 12 miles in the end. | ||
| That's no trails or anything like that, 12 miles in. | ||
| 12 miles into Montana. | ||
| Montana is, if folks have never visited Montana, is one of the most unspoiled parts of America. | ||
| Below Alaska, but not far below it. | ||
| So you're already super remote, like we're already a long way from anywhere. | ||
| And parked at a trailhead, so obviously I had 11 days solo by myself, and then my buddy Grant came in to help me pack that bull out. | ||
| It ended up being 14 days in the end by the time we got the meat out. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, it's cool. | ||
| I've done similar adventures because a lot of back home in Australia is all super remote. | ||
| So 90% of it's backcountry, really back home. | ||
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But it's a different kind of backcountry when you're dealing with wolves and bears. | |
| Yeah, it definitely is. | ||
| This was solo, minimal gear because everything's in your backpack that you've got for the hunt. | ||
| So it's super light and you're cutting down on a lot of essentials that you need just to get back in there. | ||
| When you do this, I've been obsessed with lightweight backpacking lately. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| I've been paying attention to these guys that do the Appalachian Trail. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They hike from Georgia all the way up to Maine. | ||
| It takes five months. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| They're insane. | ||
| But it's one of those things... | ||
| There's a real problem with the human brain. | ||
| It's like we were talking about our pal Cam Haynes in this 200-mile run he just did. | ||
| And when there's a challenge in front of you and you find out that someone has done it before, you start going, hmm, man, maybe I could do 200 miles... | ||
| He's like, there's something fucked up about people's brains where when you find that someone's doing something like, I have zero desire to take five months out of my life and walk from Georgia to Maine. | ||
| Yeah, but I bet you once you got it done, that's the difference. | ||
| Well, part of my brain was like, hmm. | ||
| I started thinking about it, and I'm like, shut up, stupid. | ||
| You're not fucking hiking to Maine. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| But part of me was listening to this guy. | ||
| It was on the Rich Outdoors. | ||
| You've done Rich's podcast before. | ||
| It's his podcast. | ||
| One of his buddies is a trail guy, and they were talking about lightweight gear and how they pack stuff. | ||
| The difference between what a guy uses for hunting and what someone uses for, like, just these long, long, long, long hikes, where they essentially wear the same clothes for five months. | ||
| That sounds hygienic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I guess you maybe get a chance occasionally to wash them somewhere, but everything is, like, the lightest possible stuff that you could have. | ||
| And when you do this, say, if you're going to go out there and you're planning on how many days? | ||
| 15. I wanted to do at least half the month in Montana and I wanted to do the other half of the month in Idaho. | ||
| So 15 days and a little bit of the trip's got to be unprepared in a sense. | ||
| When you're doing 15 days, that sort of hunt because the country's like straight up and down. | ||
| There's no other way to do it. | ||
| There's no, I'm going to drive to the Ridgeline or I'm going to walk a decent trail to the Ridgeline or take an ATV and it's just all on foot, straight up and down country. | ||
| So And to have a little bit of roughness to a trip like that, where you are roughing it, that's a bit of the appeal as well, and the experience in doing it. | ||
| I was just talking with the guys at Hoyt, and they were asking, what's the essentials that you had in your pack that you wouldn't go without? | ||
| And I'm like, well, how about I tell you about the stuff that I wish I had in my pack and that I didn't go without? | ||
| Like, what stuff do you wish you had? | ||
| I didn't take any rain gear in. | ||
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What? | |
| I didn't take any rain gear in, and I didn't check the weather before I went in, deliberately, because I didn't want any deterrent on the trip. | ||
| Like, oh, it's going to snow, or it's going to hail, or there's going to be gale force winds, I shouldn't go in today, or I should pack this extra. | ||
| I just, I wanted to ignore all that, just go in, just live in the wilderness, basically, with the minimal. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| I got all that weather. | ||
| I got hail three times. | ||
| I got gale force winds. | ||
| I got rain followed by snow. | ||
| So soaking wet, then freezing cold. | ||
| And you just had to stay active the whole time. | ||
| I'd literally get to a mountain and I'd sit down for two minutes and you'd go from sweating to freezing cold because you were wet. | ||
| And actually hike the mountain just to get warm. | ||
| Were you wearing wool? | ||
| Nah, all synthetics. | ||
| So synthetics, in some cases, it's harder to maintain your body temperature when you sweat, right? | ||
| There's pros and perks to both, yeah. | ||
| So, like, I've got a synthetic sleeping bag as well. | ||
| It weighs a little bit more, but I could jump in that sleeping bag wet at night and wake up in the morning and dry. | ||
| little bit of the difference and it will dry out the next day and uh it doesn't get never carries any weight your synthetics so i just had like a small uh hoodie a little hoodie and i had some undergarments and that was about it for the whole trip but as far as like sweating in your clothes and getting your stuff wet wool maintains body temperature better It does. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| Next to skin is really good. | ||
| So Under Armour's got some really good next to skin clothing. | ||
| And I'll get wet in that next to skin clothing and stay warm because it's similar to a wetsuit. | ||
| A wetsuit's designed to have some liquid in it and the liquid gets warm and keeps your body warm. | ||
| That next to skin clothing's the same where it's sitting right on your skin and it's going to stay warm like that. | ||
| So is it like a spandex almost or something? | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It looks a bit pansy when you're walking around. | ||
| Like a superhero? | ||
| Yeah, like Robin Hood in tights. | ||
| So that was a fuck up, right? | ||
| You should have probably brought some rain gear. | ||
| Well, I don't want to call it a fuck up because I deliberately done it to keep weight down. | ||
| But how much weight is like a lightweight rain poncho? | ||
| I don't want to know. | ||
| A few ounces? | ||
| Let's just say it was really heavy and I couldn't carry it. | ||
| It seems like it's not that heavy. | ||
| Yeah, but where do you stop? | ||
| Where do you stop, dude? | ||
| Well, that is the big question, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's where do you stop? | ||
| And I was already hiking in going, this is killer. | ||
| Like, this is hurting. | ||
| How heavy was your pack? | ||
| Yeah, I don't get into that sort of stuff. | ||
| You don't weigh it? | ||
| Nope, I don't weigh it. | ||
| Same with the food. | ||
| I'll just go, there's a dinner, there's some lunchtime snacks, there's some energy and that's it. | ||
| If you go in for 15 days, how many days worth of food do you carry? | ||
| I only took in 10 because I was confident of killing a bull. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And I didn't run out because I shot a grouse. | ||
| I cooked the grouse up. | ||
| Then I killed my bull and I was eating meat. | ||
| And I was even cooking meat and then packing it the next day to eat cold, which obviously helped. | ||
| Have you heard this story about me and Cam going on the Arnhem Land trip in the Northern Territory and not packing any food? | ||
| People haven't heard this. | ||
| Now he hates me. | ||
| Well, this is the most ridiculous thing ever, because you guys had to filter buffalo piss water. | ||
| It still tastes like piss. | ||
| The colour went out of it, but it had the same taste, it had the same smell. | ||
| And my question is, if the water's filtered, shouldn't the smell leave it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It should, shouldn't it? | ||
| Yeah, you're drinking piss. | ||
| You're drinking piss, basically. | ||
| For sure you guys drank piss. | ||
| I bet you it's got hell awesome energy in it, though. | ||
| Because of buffaloes? | ||
| Yeah, I suppose. | ||
| Why don't you just suck a buffalo's dick? | ||
| You feel even better about yourself. | ||
| What energy I have! | ||
| This is amazing! | ||
| I don't know why you would think you get pissed. | ||
| I told him to do it first, at least. | ||
| I told him to drink the water first? | ||
| Yeah, he can test it. | ||
| He's doing fine. | ||
| Well, they have those crazy filtration systems, like gravity filters. | ||
| Is that what you used? | ||
| Yeah, so I took one of those in the mountains on this trip as well. | ||
| I never pulled it out. | ||
| I never used it once because I was always drinking water from the highest source, like directly where it's coming out of the mountain. | ||
| And if you do that, you're okay? | ||
| You don't have to worry about... | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to say yes, because everyone will go and do it and get sick and sue my ass. | ||
| But I've always had an iron stomach, and I think it's from just doing all that sort of stuff as a kid. | ||
| You sort of grow with that, and I think your body's... | ||
| its own defense against against things like that a massive believer in that actually it's the same with being dirty you know like like personal hygiene is obviously a big thing but um you know i'll eat a i'll eat a chocolate bar with with elk blood all over my hands after skinning or deboning an elk and i think that's perfectly natural and normal in that sense um i've never been sick i've drunken some silly looking water like that | ||
| but i just think if you're at the top of the mountain where the water's first coming out of the hill out of the rocks then you're safe because there's nothing along the line there like a an old animal carcass friggin wolf shit sitting in the water or something like that to make you sick right It's coming right out of the ground. | ||
| It's coming right out of the ground. | ||
| So you can literally catch it as the streams. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That makes sense. | ||
| It's like a well. | ||
| And that's handy as well, because I'm camped at the top, so I want to find the highest water source so I don't have to drop down so far each day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Collect water. | ||
| It's always a good feeling, actually, when you come across fresh water like that. | ||
| So how many liters is your pack? | ||
| How heavy is your pack? | ||
| It's a 2200. Oh, it's a small pack? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's very small. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the Badlands. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| Use a 2200 litre pack for a 15 day hunt? | ||
| Yep, that's how light I'm going in. | ||
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Wow! | |
| I have a couple of things that are strapped to that pack, which would make it bigger than that, but generally everything fits inside that pack. | ||
| So what's in the pack? | ||
| Do you take a jet boil? | ||
| Yeah, so I've got similar. | ||
| It's an MSR reactor. | ||
| They're really good. | ||
| I used it in the cold. | ||
| It was that freezing in my tent, like the whole tent froze over. | ||
| I actually turned it on in the tent to warm the tent when I was getting changed or unchanged at night. | ||
| A little bit pansy, but hey, I got it done and put a smile on my face. | ||
| It boils water super quick. | ||
| So if the weather's miserable and you just want to get it done, it boils water super quick. | ||
| And you run a tank of propane, small water? | ||
| Yeah, just a real little backpack one. | ||
| And then because I went in there when it was stinking hot, like it was cooking, like it was the hottest weather you'd have. | ||
| You wouldn't even imagine having a fire in that weather from risk of a wildfire, you know, starting the bushfire, to, you know, it hailed, it rained and it snowed, everything got wet. | ||
| It was safe at that point to have a fire. | ||
| And then a lot of the cooking that I end up doing was just over the fire. | ||
| I was saving my gas each night. | ||
| Um, cause I would have ran out of gas before those 15 days were up if I was using just that one canister the whole time and that you'd end up having to pack out, go into town, buy the gas and then pack all the way back in. | ||
| You'd end up losing two days cause it was a, it was a full day walking out with no weight at all. | ||
| Like just speed walking down the mountain, trying to get out of there was a full day. | ||
| So, um, Yeah, I've got my reactor. | ||
| I've got my water filter, but like I said, I never used it. | ||
| I've got a small one-person tent, a mattress, a really good sleeping bag. | ||
| It's actually overrated for the conditions, but I always think you're better off going overrated. | ||
| You get some bad weather like I had, and you've got an underrated sleeping bag, and you're not getting sleep. | ||
| You're going to miss hunting hours for sure. | ||
| Then I've just got a couple of knives. | ||
| I've got a full safety kit, bandages. | ||
| I've actually been carrying, I didn't use them on this trip either, but a little water filtration pill, which is always handy. | ||
| So you didn't have to carry your filter kit every day. | ||
| If you come across some decent water that was down low, you could just put the pill in. | ||
| But where a lot of people go wrong with the water filtration and the pills is you still require both if you come across dirty water because the pill's only going to kill bacteria within reasonably clear water. | ||
| It's not going to kill the solids. | ||
| So if you're scooping up dirty water, putting a pill in and then drinking it, anything that's within the solids of that water, you're still going to get sick from. | ||
| So in a sense, you still need the two of them if you're doing a hunt like that. | ||
| The water filtration is awesome because it's 99.999% of all bacteria that's going to filter out of your water. | ||
| And the pills are what? | ||
| Like it's a chlorine or something? | ||
| Yeah, they're like a chlorine pill. | ||
| Yeah, there's a few different ones out on the market. | ||
| So you take those essentials, you essentially wear the same clothes every day? | ||
| Same clothes every day. | ||
| I take a few, change the socks and underwear. | ||
| And yeah, same clothes every day. | ||
| And then if I did get a hot day, this was the plan, it never ever happened. | ||
| But if I did get a hot day and I came past a stream... | ||
| I was actually going to wash some clothes in a dry bag, just a bit of water in the clothes, and then hang them up. | ||
| I just never got that break in the weather. | ||
| I wanted to hunt every day and every minute of light, so I'd just get up in the morning and put wet clothes on if I didn't dry them on the fire that night. | ||
| So it sounds like most of the weight in your pack is food. | ||
| Generally, yeah. | ||
| Just 10 days of food, and how many pounds of food do you take in a day? | ||
| Around two? | ||
| Yeah, maybe a bit less. | ||
| Yeah, might have been a bit less. | ||
| I smash the chocolate bars when I'm out there in the mountains. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| Why chocolate bars? | ||
| I smash chocolate at home, but when I'm in the mountains, I really smash chocolate. | ||
| I just like that bit of a fix, and it's a bit of a pick-up, you know, and to keep you going. | ||
| It's no different than a fire. | ||
| If you get a fire going at night, it's that bit of a boost, a spirit boost. | ||
| And it's the same as a chocolate bar. | ||
| Just to sit down and hoe away on a chocolate bar. | ||
| Life's good. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| But as far as energy, don't you crash when you have one of those things? | ||
| Do you go up high and get a sugar crash? | ||
| No, I don't really crash. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| I hear it with a lot of people, but... | ||
| Yeah, I never crash. | ||
| Brendan Burns was saying the same thing. | ||
| He brings like Snickers bars. | ||
| Yep, Snickers bars are really good. | ||
| Milky Ways, they're like a Mars bar back in Australia, but like Milky Ways here. | ||
| Anything sugary. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Well, I also would imagine the amount of calories you're burning when you're walking up mountains like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With a pack on, a heavy pack. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| But I had the desire to actually go and do this trip and do a bit of weight loss at the same time. | ||
| I think if I wasn't going to do weight loss at the same time, then I'd probably pack some more food, some more goodies. | ||
| So you did it on purpose? | ||
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Yeah, I did it on purpose. | |
| Like saying, I need to lose some weight? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| And I did. | ||
| I lost weight. | ||
| Yeah, I lost a lot of weight doing it. | ||
| But yeah, definitely done it on purpose. | ||
| There'd be some days where I'd just have a snack in the morning for breakfast, like an energy bar, an actual energy bar in the morning. | ||
| And I'd go all the way through and I wouldn't hike back in the camp until 11.30 at night because I was trying to stay out where I thought the bulls were. | ||
| And I'd have a quick dinner in camp that night and that was it. | ||
| And I wouldn't even feel hungry throughout the day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think just from being so active, and obviously good water intake whenever you can, there was never a point where I'm like, oh, far out, I'm starving today, you know, I'm not going any further until I eat or anything like that. | ||
| It was all go, go, go, and yeah. | ||
| Now, when you take a plan like this, when you decide to go on a deep, deep mountain hunt like this, how do you pick where you're going? | ||
| Are you studying Google Earth? | ||
| Are you getting tips from people? | ||
| Studying Google Earth's the big one. | ||
| And I'd suggest for anyone that wants to do a backpack hunt, like a do-it-yourself hunt, is study Google Earth. | ||
| And I would do a radius. | ||
| I'd look for a radius with the least amount of roads, any sort of infrastructure around it, like the most wilderness-looking area. | ||
| Even away from trailheads. | ||
| I hate being near a trailhead or where there's a trail that people are going to be walking in on or anything like that. | ||
| Like, I mean, real backcountry. | ||
| You've got to bush bash it to get in there. | ||
| Just find... | ||
| Do your research, find the area with the least amount of activity and then put a dot in the middle or roughly in the middle and that's where you should set up camp. | ||
| Get in there, live with the bulls or whatever animals you're hunting, get in there and live with them. | ||
| I think not being afraid to fail on a hunt's the big one because, you know, a lot of people, well, there mightn't even be any bulls there, but, you know, who cares? | ||
| It's going to be an awesome experience anyway. | ||
| And it's a place that you can tick off the list. | ||
| Oh, I'm not going back there. | ||
| There was nothing there. | ||
| And then next year, try the next spot or the next week, try another spot. | ||
| Um... | ||
| I had hunted around that area previously, so I knew there was elk in the area. | ||
| I just had never been that far back in before. | ||
| And I'll tell you the truth, it nearly completely failed on me because I went days and days without hearing or seeing an elk. | ||
| But the sign was there to say they were in there. | ||
| It's just that the grizzlies and the wolves were hunting that area so hard that it shut the elk up and pushed a lot of them out of the area. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Yeah, and then I was nearly the new food source. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So when you get in there and you don't see anything for a couple of days, what is the mindset? | ||
| There's heaps of doubt, and there's always that... | ||
| It's like you second guess yourself. | ||
| This was a stupid move. | ||
| You shouldn't have came in here. | ||
| You need to change spots. | ||
| But then it's like, but at the same time, you're experiencing this for a reason. | ||
| This is how hunting should be. | ||
| Hunting should be hard. | ||
| Hunting should never be, unless you've done your research, going into a place and there's just like game walking past you everywhere. | ||
| There should always be, because that's the hunt, right? | ||
| Finding it or going through the hardship to find it. | ||
| Tracking it, finding where's the better spot within that area. | ||
| So at the same time that my mind's like, you know, you've made a bad decision, this is a crap spot to be, there's the whole experience of like, no, this is how hunting should be. | ||
| It should be difficult. | ||
| You should have to work your ass off to try and find the animal. | ||
| And when you actually do find the animal, how much better is it? | ||
| because you know it's just like if if you hunted for 11 months and you didn't see a bull you found a bull you had a shot and you missed but then the next one you get how good's that next one that you get you know if that was the case and it was very similar on this trip where i put in all that effort didn't see an animal one opportunity a bull comes in like i end up calling that bull from like a mile away you could just hear him coming up this canyon and i did that shot and dude i teared up | ||
| I was crying because I knew how much had gone into it. | ||
| And it's not just the effort, but obviously I'm away from my wife Kim and the kids. | ||
| I'm away from the kids for a month now. | ||
| There's all that sacrifice, there's all the hard shit, there's all the effort. | ||
| There's walking in, there's putting up with that absolutely atrocious weather, and then finally one opportunity comes up and you kill that animal, as well as killing the animal. | ||
| That's a hard thing to do. | ||
| Man, I balled up. | ||
| I was crying. | ||
| I think I cried a dozen times. | ||
| Every time I thought about it, when I was standing over the bull, I was crying. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I'm like, that's why it's got to be that hard. | ||
| So you can appreciate the animal, so you realise what has to go into the hunt to actually get something killed. | ||
| I think every hunt should be like that. | ||
| I hope they're not. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of elk in Montana, but Montana is so huge. | ||
| I mean, it's such a massive, massive place, and the amount of wilderness that you're encountering, if you have herds of elk all over the place, it's super likely that you could wind up in a spot with nothing around you for miles and miles around. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, I think the hard bit with that country that I've been going into is the wolf population is getting so big. | ||
| I know you love wolves. | ||
| There's pictures of frigging wolves in this joint everywhere. | ||
| I do love them. | ||
| I want to shoot one. | ||
| I want to shoot a dozen of them. | ||
| Well, they're scary. | ||
| Yeah, they are definitely scary. | ||
| What's weird is what we were talking about before the podcast started, you were talking about Australia and what you call the greenies, which are the green people that want to, they don't want animals to die and they want this population to explode, but there's not a balance. | ||
| And that was the idea behind reintroducing wolves. | ||
| Was to create a balance because there was a lot of animals that were living in the Yellowstone, greater, you know, Yellowstone area. | ||
| And so they introduced these wolves. | ||
| But the problem was they had an agreement when they introduced these wolves that when they reached a sustainable population, they reached a certain number, several thousand wolves, then they would open up a hunting season on them to try to control the population. | ||
| But as soon as they reached that number, the people that were involved in the relocation of the wolves and the wildlife protection people and all the people that are like really animal rights advocates, they backed out of it. | ||
| And they said, no, we don't want any hunting on any of these wolves ever. | ||
| And so there's this big battle. | ||
| And a lot of states have opened up hunting seasons on wolves, Montana included. | ||
| But still, there's a battle. | ||
| There's a battle to try to control the wolf populations. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| So I went into Yellowstone last year after my hunt, just sightseeing, and I had all my photography gear. | ||
| And I didn't see a single elk. | ||
| You gotta go near where the people are. | ||
| I saw a ton of them. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| I was there with my kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got selfies with fucking elk. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't see any wolves though either. | ||
| No. | ||
| The whole time I was like, fucking wolves. | ||
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They've wrecked this joint, but I didn't see any wolves either. | |
| Well, the elk have decided that people are super safe because no one has hunted in Yellowstone for, you know, a hundred and whatever the hell years. | ||
| So when you go to the visitor area, when you first pull into Yellowstone, like Yellowstone has like this, uh, and this is on the Montana side. | ||
| Yellowstone has this area where there's like a gas station and there's like a store and it's fucking elk everywhere. | ||
| Like I'll show you on my phone. | ||
| I got selfies. | ||
| I got elk selfies. | ||
| But they're not even remotely nervous about people. | ||
| They don't care, yeah. | ||
| You don't have to do shit to them. | ||
| You know these Axis deer that you have in Texas? | ||
| The chittle deer? | ||
| Look at your stupid head. | ||
| Yeah, that's all I've seen. | ||
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See the elk in the background? | |
| Oh, they're just living in the hotels by the looks of it. | ||
| Isn't that hilarious? | ||
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That's cool. | |
| They're just chilling back there, and there was a gang of them, man. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| They were all over the place. | ||
| It's really weird, because it's like right when you pull into the area, all you see is just loads of elk everywhere. | ||
| They're all hanging out. | ||
| So the chittle deer that we have, they go and live near the station. | ||
| So a station in Australia, obviously, is just like a ranch, like a big farm. | ||
| Because of the dingoes, just smash the population. | ||
| So those chittle deer, they go and live near the homesteads because the dingoes are less likely to come around the homesteads. | ||
| It's really crazy. | ||
| And then you move, if you're hunting, you'll be like, ah, screw this, I'm going back into the backcountry. | ||
| There's going to be heaps more deer back there compared to around the house. | ||
| And there'll be no deer out there at all. | ||
| Or they'll be very limited. | ||
| There'll be the stags that are moving through the area and that's about it. | ||
| The nucleus of the chittle deer live around the homestead where it's safe. | ||
| They're not dumb. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's the same thing with deer around here. | ||
| You find them in suburban areas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you also find coyotes in suburban areas, too. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But less mountain lions. | ||
| Mountain lions try to avoid human populations more, and that's what usually gets the deer out here. | ||
| All the news back home has been mountain lions behind your house, probably. | ||
| There's quite a few. | ||
| Yeah, that's cool. | ||
| They take pictures of them. | ||
| There's bobcats. | ||
| I've seen bobcats out near me. | ||
| But there's mountain lions in California for sure. | ||
| There's quite a few of them. | ||
| California is an interesting place because, you know, California, they don't want to control the predators. | ||
| They want the predators to control the game population. | ||
| And because of that, there's not that many deer here. | ||
| Yeah, I understand that. | ||
| And I can see the method behind it. | ||
| My issue is that humans, in a sense, are the ultimate predator, right? | ||
| And that everything should be not controlled, but, you know, what's a good way of saying this is that being the apex predator that we are, we've obviously got a part in the whole food chain as well when it comes to things like that. | ||
| Some people don't agree with that. | ||
| Yeah, I understand that. | ||
| And I can see, you know, we were talking before about the wolves being introduced to control the population and the numbers, but there's obviously got to be a point where the wolves are controlled as well, right? | ||
| So who does that? | ||
| Well, that was all done early, early on in North America because of cattle ranchers. | ||
| So what they would do is they would shoot wild horses. | ||
| They had a huge wild horse problem. | ||
| And the wild horse problem is actually re-emerging. | ||
| There's quite a few wild horses in North America, and they're trying to figure out what to do with them. | ||
| And it's really controversial. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| But what they would do back then was they would shoot these wild horses and then they would shoot a wolf. | ||
| They would shoot like one of the alphas and they would take the wolf and rub it and take its scent glands and rub it all over the dead horse and then fill the horse up with strychnine. | ||
| So the other wolves would come around, they would smell their missing alpha friend and they would eat this horse carcass and they would get the strychnine and die. | ||
| So doing that, they extirpated wolves from the majority of the American West. | ||
| That's how they killed them all. | ||
| But then they realized that they did a terrible thing by doing that, and so they started reintroducing them. | ||
| There's a balance somewhere. | ||
| Obviously, I love wolves. | ||
| I think they're cool as hell. | ||
| But there is a balance. | ||
| But the balance is real tricky. | ||
| There's a very small number of them in Washington State, but the small number of them, the small number of wolf packs, have started attacking cattle ranches. | ||
| And they're killing these cattle. | ||
| And so these ranchers want these wolves killed. | ||
| And so they've decided to kill some of the wolves. | ||
| And it's a huge controversy in Washington State because they're like, look, there's not that many fucking wolves. | ||
| And you guys are going to kill these wolves because they're killing the cattle. | ||
| But you're going to kill the cattle, too. | ||
| If you want to have cattle, this is the price you pay. | ||
| But I'm sure you've seen how they run cattle out here. | ||
| They just let them roam around on public land. | ||
| You know, when we were in Nevada... | ||
| We were deer hunting with Steve Rinella. | ||
| And we saw a lot of deer. | ||
| Deer were everywhere. | ||
| But we saw way more cows. | ||
| Fucking cows are everywhere. | ||
| And they roam all throughout this public land. | ||
| And the ranchers pay some sort of a fee. | ||
| And that was what that whole thing was going on. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of that happens back home in Australia as well. | ||
| Yeah, so they roam all over the place. | ||
| There's fucking cow shit everywhere. | ||
| We're essentially, we're camping out, so we're sleeping on cow shit. | ||
| There's cow shit everywhere you look. | ||
| Was it comfortable? | ||
| It was not bad. | ||
| Did you spread it out a bit first? | ||
| Well, I actually wound up sleeping in the back of the Suburban. | ||
| We had a Suburban, and I was like, why are you guys going to sleep on the ground when you just fold the seats back and sleep on this flat area? | ||
| So I camped out in the back of a Suburban while these dummies are sleeping on the ground. | ||
| On cow patties, like all hunched over. | ||
| Well, they want to be down with nature, man. | ||
| Down with cow poo. | ||
| If you want to be down with nature, take off the sleeping bag. | ||
| You want to really get... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it's, you know, these animals, if you're going to let them wander around like that, roam free, which is nice because they're essentially almost wild. | ||
| They're free-range cattle. | ||
| They're eating grass. | ||
| It's the healthiest cattle you can eat. | ||
| But wolves like to eat them too. | ||
| And so it's real tricky. | ||
| It's like, where do you draw the line there? | ||
| There's not that many wolves, and these wolves are eating these cows. | ||
| But to the ranchers, each cow is worth several thousand dollars every time a wolf kills a cow. | ||
| That's a big loss of income. | ||
| I suppose it's working. | ||
| There's got to be some sort of line there where we work in conjunction with wildlife. | ||
| Whether you're a rancher or not, whether you're losing income or not, that's got to be part of the system. | ||
| Maybe it should be subsidized by the taxpayers. | ||
| Instead of killing the wolves, maybe they should subsidize some of these ranchers. | ||
| I mean, if these wolves are killing, it's only a certain amount. | ||
| As long as they've taken some measure of protection to try to keep the wolves away, but to ensure a healthy wolf population would ensure a balanced ecosystem. | ||
| They can't bring it back to where they used to be, because where they used to be, there was no wolves. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There's a funny thing at home, how you're saying it should be subsidised. | ||
| My business is in northwestern Australia for the mines, and they've got their own private train line. | ||
| They run their own trains with iron ore. | ||
| And the train line's unfenced so the cattle can cross the train line. | ||
| Anytime a train hits one of those cows, they've got to pay the farmer, you know. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And I've heard stories about the farmer just going out and shooting his cattle along the train line so that the mines pay him for the cows. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Because they look like they're being hit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's pretty funny. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, so maybe we could do something like that where the wolves just pay out every time they kill a cow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hey, some people believe that shit. | ||
| Well, someone would probably do that. | ||
| There's probably some unscrupulous people. | ||
| But then they'd get caught, and then they'd get prosecuted. | ||
| It would balance itself out. | ||
| But there's a certain amount of numbers where the wolves reach a high population number where all the other animals start getting threatened. | ||
| Like, there was a recent situation in Wyoming where these wolves killed 19 elk and didn't even eat them. | ||
| They just killed them. | ||
| Just frill killing. | ||
| Just fucking around, having a good time. | ||
| They will do that. | ||
| That's the point where obviously we've got to stand in, make a good decision, whether it's a tag system or some sort of culling. | ||
| I think before the program we were talking about where kangaroos need to be culled because it's a little bit like... | ||
| So the greens don't want to... | ||
| The greenies. | ||
| The greenies. | ||
| They don't want to kill the kangaroos, but for the better... | ||
| For the better benefit of kangaroos, there has to come a point where the numbers need to be controlled, otherwise they eat their self out of land and home, they get diseases, and it takes weeks to die, like a suffering death. | ||
| No one wants that. | ||
| So you can't be just for one and not the other. | ||
| My buddy Mike Hawkridge, he lives up in B.C., in northern B.C., British Columbia, and he was attacked by a wolf. | ||
| Like, he had shot a wolf in midair as it was jumping at him. | ||
| They have so many wolves up there that they have literally had open season. | ||
| Like, there's no tag limits. | ||
| You can shoot wolves all day long. | ||
| Sounds like I need to go there. | ||
| Yeah, we went up there, and we were moose hunting. | ||
| That's where I got this one. | ||
| And we found a calf that had been torn apart by wolves, and it was really fascinating. | ||
| But he put this up on his Instagram. | ||
| His Instagram is bcoutfitter. | ||
| This is him last night. | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome. | ||
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This is just last night I'd be howling back Come in, baby, and see what happens. | |
| Well, that's what it started. | ||
| He actually started it. | ||
| He started the howl. | ||
| We can hear it here. | ||
| Yeah, he called them. | ||
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That's him That's eerie That sound. | |
| When you're in camp by yourself and you hear that going all the way around you. | ||
| What a fucking awesome animal. | ||
| It's cool and eerie at the same time. | ||
| It's the coolest animal ever. | ||
| Because they're smart. | ||
| They operate in packs. | ||
| They have a really complex social system. | ||
| I'll tell you this cool little story when I was in Northwest Territory, like just above the Arctic Circle. | ||
| The first time I've been into that country, like the Mackenzie Mountains. | ||
| And I was actually hunting moose, but I had a wolf tag as well. | ||
| And the very first morning, like, we get up out of the tent, we walk out up the river. | ||
| I'm with a guide, Byron. | ||
| And I see, like, a pack of wolves coming down the river. | ||
| So they'd been hunting that area. | ||
| I think it'll end up being day three. | ||
| They chased a caribou up and down the river, like, just to a lavering sweat. | ||
| Then they chased it in the river and they surrounded it in the river. | ||
| And that caribou, and it was a bull as well, got to the point, its whole body was quivering because it's been really hot and then it's been chased into this freezing cold river. | ||
| At that point, the wolves just left it and they all went up and sat in the sun because they were all wet as well. | ||
| They went and sat in the sun and they got all dry and then it was like Mother Nature just took over from that point. | ||
| They got the caribou to the point where they knew it was going to die and left it. | ||
| It couldn't hold its own legs up. | ||
| It ended up laying down in the river and drowned in the river. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| How cool is that that they knew that? | ||
| So the wolves get to the point where they're like, okay, we've got to go and sit in the sun now and dry out. | ||
| This thing's dead anyway. | ||
| We're just going to come back to it in an hour once it's drowned in the river. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| How do they know that? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And then by that afternoon, that caribou was just a rib cage. | ||
| They absolutely plucked every bit of meat and organs out of that caribou. | ||
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Wow. | |
| How cool is that? | ||
| I've got photos of it, actually. | ||
| Do you have them online anywhere? | ||
| They're probably on my Instagram. | ||
| Early days Instagram. | ||
| I tag them on my Instagram. | ||
| See if you can find those, Jamie. | ||
| You'll see this caribou just standing in the water. | ||
| It was just quivering. | ||
| It was done. | ||
| It was done and they knew that it was done. | ||
| They're just like, we'll come back in an hour and eat. | ||
| How fucking smart are they? | ||
| How fucking smart are they? | ||
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They know that. | |
| Have you also heard that in their spore... | ||
| something that like elk if they sniff it stays in the dirt forever so they basically shit it out stays in the dirt forever an elk will go along grazing and eat the grass and this spore attacks the elk's lungs and it shrinks the lung capacity so it's it's it basically makes the elk tired when they're running for the wolf to grab them at a later date Wait a minute. | ||
| Can we look this up? | ||
| They eat the elk, they shit out what they ate, and spores... | ||
| Spores are released into the dirt. | ||
| When the elk's eating, eating the grass, they take it into their system. | ||
| And it reduces their lung capacity? | ||
| It reduces their lung capacity. | ||
| So it's like they're poisoning the elk before they jack them? | ||
| What? | ||
| Is that not the ultimate predator or not? | ||
| That is insane! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How is nature so complex? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's cool, isn't it? | ||
| It's so amazing. | ||
| Well, the thing about wolves now, too, that's really kind of cool. | ||
| See, I'm so torn. | ||
| I'm so torn. | ||
| Because on one hand, I love elk hunting. | ||
| I love elk. | ||
| I love the idea that they're out there and they're wild. | ||
| But I'm a big fan of wolves. | ||
| I love the fact that these wolves are so fucking badass. | ||
| Yeah, how many ranches right now are going, fuck you, Joe Rogan? | ||
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A lot. | |
| Well, my friend Mike, where he lives in BC, his neighbor's ranch, a gang of them, jumped a cow. | ||
| They got hungry in the winter and they said, you know, let's just fucking do this. | ||
| How much easier of a feed is that? | ||
| Pretty easy. | ||
| An elk that runs flat out, that's got legs that stand this tall off the ground, or a fat cow that's down here that won't even run away, you know? | ||
| It's penned in, too. | ||
| The elk was penned in. | ||
| Or the cow, rather. | ||
| Cow, yeah. | ||
| And they jumped the fence, I guess, and just... | ||
| This is one of the things that's so appealing to me about bow hunting. | ||
| It's not actually just bow hunting. | ||
| It's the whole outdoors. | ||
| It's the whole picture. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And wildlife, when you get into it like this and you start looking at it and thinking about it, it's crazy. | ||
| Who doesn't want to be a part of that? | ||
| Well, we're so filtered from it, for the most part. | ||
| Most people's interaction with wild animals is the zoo or a squirrel. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, ooh, look, I see a skunk. | ||
| You know, there's an eagle. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Yeah, I saw an eagle. | ||
| Like, it's a big day. | ||
| But to actually go to a place like where you went and to hear, oh! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, a lot of people are always like, oh, that's crazy. | ||
| It's actually not that crazy when you go out and experience. | ||
| That sort of thing's happening all the time. | ||
| It's just that people are so disconnected because they're not out there experiencing it. | ||
| I was telling a story about, we've got a wedge-tailed eagle at home, and I can hear this pig squealing like, I'm like... | ||
| Like, my ears just can't pick up where this pig squealing's coming from, and it's going straight over the top of my head. | ||
| There's a wedge-tailed eagle with this pig, and it flies it over. | ||
| It knew exactly what it was doing, and flies it, gets it up real high, and it drops it perfectly over this rocky outcrop on the mountain to open it up. | ||
| Like, that's like me and you going, I need a steak knife to cut into this meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That eagle's just going, I need a rocky outcrop to cut into this meat. | ||
| How big was the pig? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's pretty decent. | ||
| Looks like this. | ||
| Like 40 pounds? | ||
| 50 pounds? | ||
| Yeah, 40 pounds maybe. | ||
| 30. I've seen them drop goats off cliffs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the goats are climbing cliffs and the eagle swoops down and grabs a hold of it and is like, Get over here! | ||
| How about that video where the eagle tries to pick up the baby out of the pram or whatever? | ||
| I don't think that's real. | ||
| Oh, you don't? | ||
| Yeah, I think that's fake. | ||
| Stupid internet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Seriously. | |
| I'm sure that's probably happened before. | ||
| Oh, it's definitely happened. | ||
| When you look in the eye of an eagle, you realize, oh yeah, that thing would eat a baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The idea that it wouldn't eat a baby is a joke. | ||
| They're built for it. | ||
| It's just another animal. | ||
| Yeah, they don't give a fuck. | ||
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Kid. | |
| No offense to anyone's babies. | ||
| Yeah, no offense. | ||
| I love babies. | ||
| But the reality is, there's a great video of this guy in Alaska. | ||
| We've played it on the podcast before, the guy with all the eagles in his yard. | ||
| Eagles in Alaska are so prevalent. | ||
| I have a friend who goes up there, and she was telling me that they're like pigeons. | ||
| She's like, they're like fucking pigeons. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| Like, you don't even care anymore. | ||
| Get these fucking things out of here. | ||
| But this guy's got this backyard, and in his backyard, he's got fucking hundreds and hundreds of eagles. | ||
| I mean, maybe not hundreds. | ||
| Maybe 100? | ||
| 50? | ||
| 50 eagles? | ||
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10. Over 30. Over 30. Okay. | |
| Over 30. But they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| Is this the video? | ||
| Is this the same one? | ||
| So what it is is he's got a... | ||
| Where did I come up with hundreds? | ||
| How dare me. | ||
| So he's got a bunch of fish that he's got laid out. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| And they've got it. | ||
| I'm like, look at this. | ||
| Look at all these fucking eagles just walking around this guy's backyard. | ||
| This ain't shit compared to what we're going to show you in a minute, folks. | ||
| But these eagles are wandering around this guy's yard, and he has his kid take a bucket of fish and dump it out for these eagles. | ||
| And I just would not be that confident having these fucking monsters come near my kids. | ||
| Oh, that would be cool. | ||
| Those are raptors, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My little girl would run out there and try and grab each one of them. | ||
| God, look at this thing. | ||
| They're so weird. | ||
| It's such a weird animal. | ||
| That's a living dinosaur right there. | ||
| Oh, it really is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's such a weird animal, too. | ||
| It's just so strange that we chose that heartless monster as the American bird. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, couldn't the American animal be like a puppy or something cute? | ||
| Yeah, we've got like... | ||
| On our coins, we've got like platypus and wombat. | ||
| Nothing with teeth, nothing with claws. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| Because this thing is just... | ||
| A living dinosaur, like literally a raptor, a flying raptor. | ||
| Look at it, it's just creeping up to it. | ||
| It wants that fish, but it doesn't want to take a chance of getting shot. | ||
| I want one. | ||
| An eagle? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Up on my property up in the mountains on my farm, we've got a couple of wedge tails that hang around up there. | ||
| And whenever we kill a deer, we leave the carcass out. | ||
| I'll put a scouting camera on it and stuff like that. | ||
| And just to see these things come down and eat and what they do, so cool. | ||
| Now, a wedge-tail eagle, is it the size of a golden eagle or a bald eagle? | ||
| Yeah, they get a couple of meters in wingspan. | ||
| They're huge. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So it is like that big. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Have you ever seen the harpy eagle? | ||
| That's the biggest one. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it lives in Venezuela and they eat monkeys and it's fucked up to watch, man. | ||
| It's really crazy. | ||
| How'd you be a monkey? | ||
| How stressful would your life be? | ||
| I think about that shit all the time. | ||
| I'd just be straight up stressing the whole time. | ||
| I'd just lay out and be like, just get it over and done with. | ||
| Yeah, and they love sloths, because sloths are just designed to get fucked up by eagles. | ||
| I love sloths, too. | ||
| They're cool. | ||
| This eagle is goddamn huge. | ||
| Look at the monkeys, like, fuck this! | ||
| The monkey's like, get out of here, man! | ||
| But the sloth can't do anything. | ||
| They're just so slow. | ||
| They can't do shit. | ||
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Shit. | |
| Except for stare at it and go, piss off. | ||
| Look, he just walks up to it and grabs it. | ||
| He's like, eh, let me just fucking claw the shit out of you here, dude. | ||
| Bloody, get off me, you cunt. | ||
| Don't touch me. | ||
| Look at this poor sloth. | ||
| Not a goddamn thing you can do. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Whoa, this is a weird one. | ||
| I haven't seen this video. | ||
| Watch out, I'll touch your titties. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| The only one I've seen before is one swoops down and grabs one. | ||
| This one actually says sloth fights back. | ||
| Oh, barely. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's really a fight, but... | |
| Look at that speed! | ||
| Joe, that's gonna be you when you're 90. Get out of here! | ||
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You son of a bitch! | |
| I'll get you in a headlock. | ||
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I'll fucking kill you! | |
| Just so weird that nature gave this animal no defense system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, nature just fucked the sloth. | ||
| How cool are they, though? | ||
| Sloth. | ||
| You see that one walking, and it's like... | ||
| It almost looks like it's got bloody algae growing on it. | ||
| That green one that's coming up to the road? | ||
| How weird are they? | ||
| Well, a lot of them do have... | ||
| Do they? | ||
| Yeah, they do have green growing on them. | ||
| They look like they smell bad. | ||
| There's one at a zoo here that has all this mold grow all over its back, and you can... | ||
| Yeah, look at that right there. | ||
| Yep, that's the one. | ||
| It's because they move so slow that literally moss and shit can grow on them. | ||
| What a fucking goofy-ass animal. | ||
| You're very productive, Jamie, eh? | ||
| As soon as you say something, he's like, boom. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| Jamie's the best. | ||
| Look at this thing. | ||
| He needs another one. | ||
| Another raise. | ||
| Another raise for Jamie. | ||
| Look at this fucking thing, man. | ||
| Look at how it rocks. | ||
| I mean, that doesn't even look real. | ||
| If you told me that that was a creature in a movie, I'd be like, that's going to come and get you. | ||
| That's the bogey monster. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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The bogey monster who comes in the middle of the night, slowly climbs up to your bed. | |
| He only eats babies. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| It looks like some fake human. | ||
| It's crazy that technology's brought us this far, where we can look at a video right now at that sloth, but to tell you the truth, if you hadn't travelled the world, you wouldn't even know that animal really existed. | ||
| Well, that's why they used to have to have zoos. | ||
| That's one of the main reasons why I'm opposed to zoos. | ||
| I mean, I'm pro-zoo as far as, like, they raise a lot of money for conservation. | ||
| There's some animals that actually thrive in zoos. | ||
| Like, we were joking around about it the other day about giraffes. | ||
| I used to have this joke in my act about giraffes don't give a fuck about being in a zoo. | ||
| They don't feel bad at all. | ||
| They love it. | ||
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They just wander around going, another day with no lions. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then just slowly wander around. | ||
| Because giraffes are the only animal where you let babies feed them. | ||
| But what if they don't realize they've got life that good? | ||
| Like us today. | ||
| You know, like it takes a backcountry hunt for you to go home and go, shit, I just flick a switch and a light comes on. | ||
| I turn a tap and hot water comes on. | ||
| Those giraffes are probably just ignorant and they really don't know, you know? | ||
| They definitely don't know. | ||
| The truth is they've got a good, there's not lions chasing them every day. | ||
| Well, what's fucked up about the Santa Barbara Zoo? | ||
| Santa Barbara Zoo is great, but the giraffe cage is right next to the lion cage. | ||
| Like, literally. | ||
| Is that to remind them? | ||
| Oy, this is what it could be like? | ||
| That's what they should do. | ||
| They should let them out for a week. | ||
| They should let them out for a week. | ||
| Let lions and shit chase them around. | ||
| Let them back in the zoo and go, see? | ||
| That's what it could be like. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop being such an asshole. | ||
| Just eat your lettuce. | ||
| But look at this. | ||
| People can feed them. | ||
| Look at that little kid. | ||
| Look at that little kid. | ||
| No one's even remotely worried about the behavior of giraffes. | ||
| They've never exhibited any aggressive behavior towards people. | ||
| Except for that little kid. | ||
| He looked a bit stressed. | ||
| He just didn't know. | ||
| He's just maybe a little pussy. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| A kid's gonna grow up. | ||
| Learn jiu-jitsu and kick your ass. | ||
| I don't think he's gonna need more than jiu-jitsu for a giraffe. | ||
| You'd be about 90. You'd be right. | ||
| You need a Hoyt. | ||
| So these giraffes are right next to this fucking cage where, I mean, they're only separated by a couple of fences. | ||
| There's two fences and right over there is these lionesses. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| And you can get, they have thick glass, you can get right, like where you are to me, you can get right up to the lion. | ||
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Really? | |
| And when you get right up to them, you feel so vulnerable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, you know there's glass, but that cat's looking at you, and you're like, your whole body just starts going, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| And so it should. | ||
| That's your instinct saying, dude, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, there's something about cats, man. | ||
| Oh, you've seen this one where this baby is standing there, and it turns its back, and the lion can't even help it. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's just the instinct. | ||
| Yeah, but as soon as the kid turns its back, it's like, now. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
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Shit. | |
| Did you see any mountain lions when you're out there? | ||
| One coming to the kill site, his prints were all through the snow there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and that country's pretty known for mountain lions as well. | ||
| Two or three years ago when I was in there, we got fresh snow and I went right up high. | ||
| Big mountain tracks. | ||
| And that's just because there was fresh snow. | ||
| I'm sure there was fresh mountain tracks everywhere I walked every day, but it's just that there was fresh snow and it left the tracks perfectly in the snow. | ||
| How many times do you walk past a mountain lion and it's staring at you? | ||
| Or how many times has there been a mountain lion off in the distance looking at you? | ||
| And you had no idea it was there. | ||
| They're there. | ||
| You don't know if they're there. | ||
| And then every now and then you'll get a weird feeling like I'm being... | ||
| It's a funny sense, you know, and I hate saying about it because people will say, oh, bullshit. | ||
| But I'll get a funny feeling that something's looking at me. | ||
| And if I stop at that point and have a look around, chances are I'll find a deer or a fox or something staring at me from up on the ridge or in the timber or something like that. | ||
| Happened with Shane Doran. | ||
| You had Shane on the show a long ago. | ||
| Shane was out hunting with me just before he'd come on your show. | ||
| And I stopped, and I'm like, ah, dude, I've just got this weird feeling of being watched. | ||
| And we looked around, and then, yeah, there's a buck, like, looking behind a tree, staring straight at us, you know? | ||
| So it's like, it tickles a sense, that's for sure. | ||
| Do you think, now this is going to get into the woo-woo, yeah, woo-woo-woo, 100% re-ignites. | ||
| We can't have gone through such a long period where you had to hunt. | ||
| That's just how people were. | ||
| The natural world is people out in the woods, just like with the animals, that all that ignites. | ||
| And it fades when we're looking at frigging technology like we do. | ||
| Or you're so busy in your lifestyle and in what you do. | ||
| Like obviously parts of the body's got to, you know, we've got to shut this down. | ||
| We're doing this now. | ||
| You know, we're moving forward in the world. | ||
| Move forward in the world. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Let's move back. | ||
| That definitely ignites. | ||
| And it's what I just said, you know, where I feel like something's watching us. | ||
| Or the way you react or you're listening or what you hear and just all your senses become so fine-tuned to the wilderness. | ||
| Man, it's a beautiful thing. | ||
| Yeah, the move forward is an interesting way of looking at it, because I don't think technology necessarily is having us move forward, but what it's definitely having us do is move different. | ||
| We're interacting with each other less in the physical sense and more in the digital sense, and we're way less likely to interact with the rest of the wild world. | ||
| I mean, the wild, that's a weird term too. | ||
| Like, I've always felt like the word outdoors. | ||
| Like, I love the outdoors. | ||
| Like, how fucking weird are people that we call the whole world outdoors, but are, you know, like, We're so used to being in these shelters that the sheltered life is normal, but the outdoors, out of the shelter. | ||
| Well, that's the actual world. | ||
| That's the actual world. | ||
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Yeah, that's the actual world. | |
| You what? | ||
| You go to the outdoors? | ||
| You want to go out there camping? | ||
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You go to the outdoors? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| Outdoors. | ||
| What a weird description. | ||
| The outdoors. | ||
| It's a strange way of looking at the wilderness. | ||
| The wilderness is a much better term. | ||
| But outdoors is like, oh, I love the great outdoors. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| I love the world how it is today. | ||
| I think you said it on a show not long ago. | ||
| We've never had it better than we have now. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| If you don't think we've got it better now, it's because you're not appreciating everything that there is. | ||
| So I like technology in the sense that I can connect with a lot of people. | ||
| You. | ||
| Cam Haynes, you know, stuff like that. | ||
| I wouldn't have friendships with you guys if it wasn't for how technology was today. | ||
| Yeah, you live on the other side of the planet. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| And the world becomes really small. | ||
| So I love all that, but at the same time, I just hate the disconnect that people have. | ||
| I hate that everyone's so busy trying to work for a living to have a nice car or a big house or something like that. | ||
| And in the end, that shit's not even important. | ||
| It doesn't even matter. | ||
| It's not the memory that you're going to get from going out to the wilderness or the connection or the appreciation. | ||
| I appreciate meat because I've had to kill it myself. | ||
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Right. | |
| I appreciate power because I've gone without power for weeks. | ||
| I appreciate hot water. | ||
| You appreciate all those things. | ||
| A car, a paved road, rubbish service. | ||
| Someone comes to your house and collects your friggin' rubbish. | ||
| Serious? | ||
| No, serious. | ||
| You think about it. | ||
| There was a point where we couldn't get done what we would today because you had so much else to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Your own rubbish. | ||
| Probably grow your own vegetables or drive or walk or horse ride the day into the town to get vegetables or whatever it was. | ||
| And... | ||
| Washing your clothes. | ||
| Sitting there with a scrub and brush and washing your clothes over a board would take hours and hours. | ||
| Now you just throw it in a machine. | ||
| I'll come back and get it when it's convenient for me and pull it out. | ||
| So you get to do a lot more in today's world, but there's so much to do that a lot of people don't get to do what we do and go outdoors and experience that or appreciate those things because they haven't had that hardship before. | ||
| The mountains can be a hard and miserable experience, but it makes you appreciate the things in modern life that aren't hard anymore. | ||
| It's a perspective enhancer because it's a reality check because you realize, wow, what a strange world we live in that we need shelter and we need fire and we need all this stuff in order to survive. | ||
| But without that stuff, when you're out there as minimalistic as you've done it, like doing it with a small pack, which is Just a few days worth of food and sleeping under a cloth house, a little tent, you know? | ||
| I mean, that's a perspective enhancer because it gives you this real appreciation of what people have actually accomplished. | ||
| But most folks are not doing that. | ||
| And so they get really detached from where their food comes from, really detached from the world itself. | ||
| And it's not It's not their fault. | ||
| It's just the environment that you're accustomed to. | ||
| We're all accustomed to supermarkets and restaurants and being able to just get a bottle of water. | ||
| You know, oh, I'm thirsty. | ||
| Let me just pop the top on this water. | ||
| And people will still complain about that shit. | ||
| That's the crazy thing. | ||
| People will still complain about that. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, you need to check yourself. | ||
| I went to Africa a couple of years ago and was in a real poor village in Mozambique. | ||
| And everyone's still smiling. | ||
| It was an unseasonal year and it was really cold. | ||
| So we go through this village and a lot of these villages have never seen a white person before. | ||
| And we go through these villages and it's three o'clock in the morning and they're all standing around a fire. | ||
| And I said to the guy beside me, the local guy, I'm like, oh, do they all start work early? | ||
| And he's like, no, they're not. | ||
| They can't sleep. | ||
| And I'm like, what do you mean they can't sleep? | ||
| And he's like, well, it's really cold. | ||
| They don't have blankets or anything like that. | ||
| So they get up in the morning and they start a fire and they all huddle around the fire to get warm because it's freezing. | ||
| And it's not that they don't have the money to buy blankets. | ||
| There's no blankets. | ||
| There's no friggin' blankets for sale. | ||
| It's as simple as that. | ||
| There's not like, oh, they don't have the $20 to buy a blanket. | ||
| There's not even the resource for there to be a blanket available for them to buy. | ||
| There's babies crawling around in dust that's like 6, 7, 8 inches thick, the dust, around the village, because, you know, they all walk around the village and create a lot of dust. | ||
| No one's complaining there. | ||
| That's what they're used to and they're happy. | ||
| Throw someone from our society in that, man, they'd be miserable. | ||
| They'd probably cut their own friggin' wrists. | ||
| And I come home from there thinking those people have got it that hard, that's what they're used to, but they've got it that hard and they're still smiling. | ||
| It was a bit of a check for me. | ||
| I've got power, I've got running water, and I've always been appreciative of these things anyway, but... | ||
| We've got power. | ||
| We've got water. | ||
| We've got, in Australia, we've got Medicare, you know, like real good health services. | ||
| We've got everything like that, and people still find something to complain about. | ||
| And it's just because they haven't been through a real hardship in their life that they don't realize. | ||
| It could be a hell of a lot harder than this. | ||
| This isn't even hard. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It's just what we're used to, and we're used to complaining about it. | ||
| Well, it's also... | ||
| One of the strange things that we've created by creating houses that have electricity inside them and easy access to food and shelter, sleep in a nice comfortable mattress. | ||
| By doing that and by detaching ourselves from the natural world, I think we remove just a little bit of the mystery of being alive. | ||
| How bizarre it really is to be a living creature. | ||
| How amazing it is. | ||
| Amazing, yes. | ||
| I mean, when you're walking through the woods and you're seeing that grizzly bear who's sleeping on the carcass of that elk, that bear has been living like that probably for, if you ran into an 11-foot bear, how many years is he? | ||
| Like 15 years old maybe? | ||
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| Yeah, it's a giant fucking huge monster bear that's just out there surviving the hard way for a long time in Montana. | ||
| Yeah, going through these winters. | ||
| Doesn't give a shit if it rains, if it's sunny, if it's snowing. | ||
| Doesn't even give a shit about a pack of wolves. | ||
| Black doll eyes. | ||
| You see their eyes when you look? | ||
| I ran into one grizzly bear in my life where it was in the wild. | ||
| Only once. | ||
| And it was last year with Cam in Alberta. | ||
| I was actually with Jen. | ||
| Oh, yeah, nice. | ||
| Jen said, turn around, he's a grizzly. | ||
| And we turned around, there's this grizzly looking at us. | ||
| And this motherfucker was looking through me. | ||
| There's such a difference in the way they look at you. | ||
| He's not looking at you and going, oh, that's Joe Rogan. | ||
| No, they look through... | ||
| But they look through you in the strangest apex predator way. | ||
| Well, they have, like, this dead look in their eyes. | ||
| They're very... | ||
| It's a very strange animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I shouldn't say soul. | ||
| This is probably a bit of a harsh way. | ||
| I don't even know if a soul is real, but I know what you're saying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They don't give a shit. | ||
| Compassionless. | ||
| Yeah, they don't give a shit. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Compassionless. | ||
| This is just a part of life. | ||
| If I feel like I'm going to eat you, I'm going to frigging eat you. | ||
| I remember the first video I ever saw of a bear killing a moose. | ||
| The bear chased the moose, knocked it down, and started eating it guts first while it was alive, just holding it down and eating it. | ||
| That's nature, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the funny bit, you know, where these extreme greenies think these animals go around like, you know... | ||
| Hugging each other. | ||
| Yeah, like, oh, that's my cousin, you know, we'll catch up and have a beer later and shit like that. | ||
| No, they don't give a fuck. | ||
| They don't care if you're screaming and howling. | ||
| It's just going to eat you. | ||
| It's like a lot of the coyote dingoes back home. | ||
| If dingoes get a calf back home, they're not like, oh, I'm going to be humane with this calf. | ||
| I'll bite its throat first, I'll tear its throat out, make sure it's died and it's peaceful and stuff like that. | ||
| They'll just start eating it right there and there. | ||
| It will die in its own time. | ||
| That's not even a thought process for these animals. | ||
| No, they're just concerned with consumption. | ||
| When you do see them do it, too, when you do see them eat something, it's like, oh, yeah, of course that's how they do it. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but you don't think of it that way. | ||
| You know, it's movies, man. | ||
| Movies have confused the shit out of people, and then being away from them for long periods of time... | ||
| Yeah, but we can't blame the movies because it's on that individual. | ||
| I'm smart enough. | ||
| You're smart enough. | ||
| Common sense tells you that that's a movie. | ||
| They're not really like that. | ||
| You know, how can people be that disconnected to think that's actually how animals live their life? | ||
| It's just a friggin' movie. | ||
| Yeah, but the people, they just... | ||
| I don't think they really think that, but they're not exposed to the harsh reality of it. | ||
| I don't think they really think that the bears talk to each other in English, and then they hug each other, and they help people. | ||
| But the reality of seeing bears in Klondike bar commercials and Coca-Cola ads, that does fuck with your head. | ||
| It does, in some way, plants these seeds of what Rinella calls... | ||
| What does it call it? | ||
| Charismatic megafauna. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, these things become your friends, your long-lost wilderness friends. | ||
| Man, I've got a cat. | ||
| I've got a dog at home. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| Like, cool. | ||
| But at the end of the day, I know it's an animal. | ||
| And it's not a senseless way of saying it, because I believe hunters, or the hunters that I've met, are the most compassionate people that you'll ever meet. | ||
| Because it is a hard thing to take an animal's life, but I know it's part of the process, you know? | ||
| It's not like I'm just, let's just go out and kill an elk. | ||
| Yeah, we got an elk killed. | ||
| I'm totally not that hunter at all. | ||
| Nothing turns me off more. | ||
| I'm not that sort of person. | ||
| I'll have a quiet time with that animal. | ||
| I'll put my hand on it and everything and just be thankful. | ||
| I know it's an animal. | ||
| I know the meat's going to be used. | ||
| I know I'm doing the right thing. | ||
| But it's still, that's the human emotion part of it, you know? | ||
| And that's what, in a sense, that's why I got upset when I killed that bull elk, you know? | ||
| It's like, it is a beautiful creature. | ||
| I understand that's definitely a beautiful creature and it's a hard thing to do. | ||
| But that's the food chain. | ||
| Well, it's also very sustainable. | ||
| And what's interesting is what you're doing is you're dipping your body, your mind, your feet into the wild world. | ||
| That elk is going to get eaten by something. | ||
| If it's not you, it's going to get eaten by that bear that was sleeping on the carcass. | ||
| Yeah, nothing goes to waste. | ||
| I completely understand that after hunting. | ||
| After getting so far in the hunting, I completely understand that. | ||
| Nothing goes to waste. | ||
| Nothing ever. | ||
| If an animal breaks its leg, something's going to take care of that thing. | ||
| It's just all part of the cycle. | ||
| It's all part of the big picture of the world. | ||
| The biggest creature on the world is the world itself. | ||
| It feeds off everything. | ||
| Us. | ||
| We're even part of the world's prey. | ||
| Yeah, in a way, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Well, it becomes this super complex system that has everything in place. | ||
| It's got a system to dissolve bodies, and the bacteria dissolves what the animals don't eat, and there's just this really complex pattern that's in place that's been in place forever. | ||
| And what you're doing as a hunter is just going into it and becoming, for a brief period, Week or so, you're becoming a part of that system. | ||
| Or a month. | ||
| Or a month for you. | ||
| And you're acquiring your food that way, which I obviously, and you obviously think, is way better than going to a fucking supermarket and hiring some supermarket hitman to do the work for you and feeling that you're guilt-free. | ||
| I worked at the Abattoirs for some time. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Abattoirs, like a slaughterhouse. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Abattoirs? | ||
| Yeah, Abattoir in Australia. | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| You ever heard of that? | ||
| I think it might be in Australian. | ||
| Yeah, it's very secluded here in America. | ||
| How would you know about that? | ||
| Yeah, we don't know too much about you other than like Crocodile Dundee. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Land Down Under. | ||
| Sometimes I'll use a saying or say something. | ||
| I'm like, do you understand that word or not? | ||
| Abattoir. | ||
| Abattoir. | ||
| Slaughterhouse. | ||
| Is that normal? | ||
| Did I say it right? | ||
| Spanish Central. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Spanish Central? | ||
| It's Australia, bitch. | ||
| Spanish speakers? | ||
| Is it a Spanish word? | ||
| Must be. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Interesting word. | ||
| I'll just start calling it Slaughterhouse. | ||
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Slaughterhouse. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And so 7,000 sheep would go past on a chain. | ||
| I just had the one job to do. | ||
| And there'd be 700 people. | ||
| Were you making a slashing? | ||
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Yeah, that's right. | |
| Is that what you did? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You just cut their throats? | ||
| There would be 700 other workers just on the slaughter floor part. | ||
| So that meat was passing 700 people's hands, mouths, the whole lot, through a... | ||
| I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with this, because the population of the world demands that. | ||
| Not everyone can hunt now. | ||
| So I don't have an issue with slaughterhouses or anything like that. | ||
| But I'm saying that meat goes through a way different process, I would have to say, for a better word, brutal process, where... | ||
| Those animals get herded on to a truck, like a semi-trailer, driven to the slaughterhouse, put in small yards, pushed through a gate to go past all those people's hands that are cutting the meat. | ||
| That's before it even gets to the point where it's going to get cut up for packaging. | ||
| And then, obviously, it gets sent out to different grocery stores and then sold from there. | ||
| My meat passes these hands here. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the only meat that it passes. | ||
| I get to inspect every single animal in its natural form because I'm the one that kills it. | ||
| Isn't it strange that that's the norm, that the norm is a slaughterhouse? | ||
| And that's only been around for a couple hundred years. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Before that, everybody did it the hard way. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but yet... | ||
| We seem to be the outsiders for doing it like that. | ||
| This is so much more natural. | ||
| It's freaking beautiful. | ||
| The process is actually beautiful once you get to know it and you look at it. | ||
| Everyone thinks, you had to gut an animal. | ||
| Do you know how clean it is to gut an animal? | ||
| Like, it's clean. | ||
| It's not a messy job at all. | ||
| And there's no, like, I've got to block my nose. | ||
| I don't want to smell it. | ||
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No, it doesn't smell bad at all. | |
| There's no smell. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| This is clean meat. | ||
| And that's what I'm saying. | ||
| The blood on my hands at that point is clean. | ||
| Wouldn't bother me to eat a chocolate bar and lick my fingers after it. | ||
| You can eat the meat completely raw. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's red meat. | ||
| It's not a predator. | ||
| I mean, the only thing you have to worry about is if you eat a pig or if you eat a mountain lion or something like that. | ||
| You've got to worry about trichinosis. | ||
| We don't even have that at home. | ||
| You don't have trichinosis? | ||
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Nope. | |
| And so you can eat your pigs pretty rare? | ||
| You could. | ||
| You definitely could. | ||
| So come here and they cook bacon and it's like a crusty bit of cardboard. | ||
| I'm sure you do the same. | ||
| Well, I didn't know that. | ||
| So I cooked some bacon for our friends that we stayed with, Ed and Kay Westbrook. | ||
| They were on that bear hunt with us, Ed and Kay. | ||
| And I'm used to just having my bacon slightly cooked. | ||
| So I just slightly cooked it and put it on the plate. | ||
| I ate all my bacon. | ||
| They didn't eat their bacon. | ||
| I'm like, oh, they mustn't be big bacon eaters. | ||
| And then after the fact that I've eaten my bacon, thanks Kay, she's like, yeah, we really like to cook our bacon well because of trichinosis. | ||
| And I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| Like, you let me eat mine though? | ||
| Well, it's much less of a concern with domestic pigs. | ||
| They actually lowered the temperature that you're supposed to kill or cook, rather, domestic pork. | ||
| It used to be like 165 degrees, which is what they recommend you cook and bear at. | ||
| Now it's 140 degrees. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So you're okay. | ||
| I'm okay. | ||
| I should be cool. | ||
| Well, they don't ever get out. | ||
| I mean, unless something gets to them. | ||
| The way you get trichinosis by eating something with trichinosis, the horrific nature of pig farming, of domestic, the way they raise it, these factory farms, it's horrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it really makes you never want to eat pork again. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| It's really disgusting. | ||
| Yeah, I'm just happy filling my freezer with naturally harvest meat. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Kim eats it, the kids eat it, they all love it. | ||
| But isn't it interesting what you said earlier that everybody can't do that? | ||
| They can't do it. | ||
| That's bizarre. | ||
| It is bizarre. | ||
| It's because of what we're talking about. | ||
| You've got to have this job. | ||
| You've got to make good money. | ||
| You need to be successful in that type of life. | ||
| That's the big push. | ||
| But I'm always like, no, you really need to be successful in this type of life, which is the outdoors experience, whatever. | ||
| Being a good father. | ||
| Like, that's the sort of... | ||
| The work shit or whatever. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Leave your job tomorrow if you have to to go and do something that you enjoy in life, right? | ||
| That's the end story because you're not going to get to your deathbed and be like, oh, I really wish I pushed and got that better position at work or whatever. | ||
| You're never going to do that. | ||
| You'll always be like, I wish I did... | ||
| I wish I went and climbed friggin' Everest or whatever it is. | ||
| That's what it's going to be, but we all get caught up in this trap is, no, I've got to have the newest car, the nicest house, we need to live in this suburb, I need to be the CEO at work, I need to do that sort of thing. | ||
| Well, I think we're set up with this desire in our heads to attain things that we think are difficult to attain that we see. | ||
| Like we see a shiny car and we see a beautiful house. | ||
| We see all the different trappings of modern society. | ||
| We see those things and they're very appealing to us. | ||
| They seem to be like goalposts of success. | ||
| And then if we can reach those things, maybe we'll reach more happiness or we'll feel better about ourselves. | ||
| We'll have some status that we can brag about. | ||
| And you chase that stuff until your heart stops beating. | ||
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That's the trap. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I do the same thing. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'll see an advertisement for a car or something like that and be like, I really like that car. | ||
| But then there's another part of me that clicks and go, you don't need that frigging car. | ||
| Why do you want that car? | ||
| That car means you've got to work longer or work more. | ||
| Or something else to maintain or something like that. | ||
| Are you going to want to get that car scratched in the bush? | ||
| That's another thing. | ||
| I'm like, no, I've already got a car. | ||
| Just be happy with what you've got. | ||
| You're an idiot. | ||
| If you go and chase that, you're an idiot. | ||
| Just be happy with what you've got. | ||
| Life's good. | ||
| More outdoor experience. | ||
| More time for your kids. | ||
| More time for your wife. | ||
| Whatever in that sense. | ||
| That's a whole modern society thing. | ||
| Indigenous Australia... | ||
| Not all of Indigenous Australia, but most of Indigenous Australia because it's so young to our culture, you know, because Australia was only discovered in... | ||
| Maybe Jamie can look it up because I don't know the exact date. | ||
| I probably should. | ||
| Indigenous Australia don't seem to have that desire. | ||
| They're just happy with what they've got. | ||
| And it's something to be envious of, that they're just happy with that, that they're not going to waste their life going and chasing silly things, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, at the end of the day, those things that you're chasing, you can't take them with you. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And even if you leave them behind for your family, I mean, they're only going to enjoy them until they stop living. | ||
| But it's like the masterpiece is enjoying your life to the utmost and having the most success with your family, with your friends, the most relationship success, the most harmony with the people that you come in contact with. | ||
| But that doesn't seem to be rewarded the same way in our world as someone who's got some baller house and a fucking helicopter picks him up and he's got golden underwear. | ||
| But that fades, right? | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| They can have that helicopter and I guarantee you that it fades and they want something new. | ||
| There's something new that you're desiring past that. | ||
| What I've tried to train myself to desire and what I do desire now is experiences, like worldly experiences. | ||
| Coming to America for the month. | ||
| Man, I'd sell my... | ||
| If it meant to have to sell the house that I'm in... | ||
| A kin would kill me, so I wouldn't. | ||
| Let's find something else. | ||
| If I had to sell my car... | ||
| To come to America for a month? | ||
| To come to America for a month, I'd do it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'd drop it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Because the... | ||
| And it's not even the stories that I'll tell you or Cam or Antonio or one of my friends back home. | ||
| It's not even those stories. | ||
| It's the stories within myself and the experience within myself. | ||
| That's where the real value is. | ||
| That's the real currency of this world is what's inside me right now and how I feel after doing this trip. | ||
| Man, this trip was miserable. | ||
| I won't lie to you, but it's an enjoyable miserable. | ||
| How do you work that shit out? | ||
| How could being in the snow, being wet, flogging myself out for 16, 17 hours every day into the dark of night and getting back in the camp, being miserable, how could that be enjoyable? | ||
| Because the second you get back to camp, you're like, oh, a fire. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Second you lay down, yeah, I'm just like, oh, it's so good to lay down. | ||
| It's like you've got to go through hardship to find the good shit in life. | ||
| I went through this five days on Prince of Wales Island with Rinella and my friend Brian Callan, and it was raining every day. | ||
| It's pouring rain every day. | ||
| The hunt was unsuccessful, too. | ||
| We didn't get a deer. | ||
| But we came back, and I was so happy. | ||
| I was like, the sun is so warm. | ||
| That's It's so nice. | ||
| There's no rain, and it's the same as it is today, which is beautiful. | ||
| I mean, it was beautiful today, but I didn't really appreciate it the way I appreciated it when I came back from Prince of Wales. | ||
| Yeah, definitely, yeah. | ||
| I really do believe that you have to go through some difficulty to appreciate good stuff. | ||
| Like, if you're born into, like, a... | ||
| Some super wealthy multi-billionaire family and you've got a Ferrari when you're 16 and you fly around everywhere in private jets and you live in a giant mansion. | ||
| I just don't think that you can ever appreciate the difficulty of life. | ||
| I work for what I've got today. | ||
| I had a hard upbringing and stuff like that. | ||
| My father was an abusive alcoholic. | ||
| I lived on the streets for some time and I really believe that put me where I am with my family. | ||
| I absolutely adore my family. | ||
| I'd do anything for my wife and kids. | ||
| I'd cut my own arms off and sell them if I had to. | ||
| That's because of the hardship that I had when I was growing up. | ||
| My business is very successful today and I believe that's because I didn't have anything growing up as a kid. | ||
| We were poor. | ||
| We were very poor. | ||
| We had nothing. | ||
| We didn't do Christmases because there was no money to do Christmas. | ||
| And coming from a broken family like that to now having my own family, I know how to treat them right because of how we were treated so wrong as kids and how my mother was treated. | ||
| I know how to treat Kim or it's how I'm proven that That shit don't fly in my house. | ||
| This is how it actually is. | ||
| You love your family to death. | ||
| You do absolutely anything for them. | ||
| The biggest thing that I'm proud of in life is having the family that I've got today. | ||
| Bow hunting aside, man, I'd drop bow hunting. | ||
| You know how much I love bow hunting. | ||
| Shit, I'd drop bow hunting for my family. | ||
| I'm not going to do it if Kim's listening. | ||
| Lucky you don't have to. | ||
| But, yeah, that is an interesting thing how people come from, a lot of folks that come from abusive, alcoholic families, they wind up being really considerate, really compassionate, and really dedicated to keeping on the straight and narrow. | ||
| You know, I have my friend Maurice, he grew up with an alcoholic grandmother who raised him, and they used to... | ||
| They used to lock him in a room and just leave him there where they would go out drinking and he couldn't get out of the room. | ||
| There was no food. | ||
| He was always hungry and never drank in his whole life. | ||
| I'm a non-drinker and it's just because of how I've seen my father was drinking. | ||
| I believe I wouldn't be like that drinking because I care about the person on the street I don't even know. | ||
| That's the sort of person that I am. | ||
| So I don't believe I would be the violent drunk that my father was. | ||
| But it's something I don't want to even promote to my kids. | ||
| I don't even want to promote it to my friends. | ||
| So I won't drink. | ||
| And I don't need to drink. | ||
| I'm silly enough, as you can tell. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that many times, man. | ||
| People who grew up in that sort of abusive, substance-abusing family, they grow up and they're clean as a whistle and they don't have nothing to do with it. | ||
| And it makes total sense. | ||
| Yeah, it turns you right off it. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting how that works, man. | ||
| How sometimes you have to see someone just fucking completely ruining their life in order for you to get it in your head. | ||
| Well, that is not me. | ||
| I've seen all the negatives in it, and then I was like, I don't want any negatives in my life at all. | ||
| I'll do anything to avoid them. | ||
| That's why I keep on the straight and narrow and try and be a real positive person. | ||
| I just don't want anything negative like that in my life. | ||
| I've seen alcohol as being a negative breeder because people do stuff that they usually wouldn't. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| I can be at work or something and the guys are drinking and having a good time and there's no issue at all. | ||
| Shit, I'll stay up all night with them having a good laugh. | ||
| I just don't need it to have fun anymore because I've never had it and obviously, you know, I've been turned off as a young bloke. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's not necessary. | ||
| I mean, it's a social lubricant, and I enjoy it. | ||
| But I didn't grow up in an alcoholic environment. | ||
| I grew up in a violent environment. | ||
| So, you know, domestic violence to me is a very scary thing. | ||
| And I couldn't imagine ever hitting my wife or hitting my kids or hitting... | ||
| I just... | ||
| I can't imagine it. | ||
| You know, it was... | ||
| It was so stressful growing up as a kid that I think that's why I've tried to live my life without any stress now. | ||
| And having my own business can be stressful, but I've tried to grow up without having any stress. | ||
| And just to have a figure like that in your life growing up as kids, I've got two sisters as well that were obviously affected by it as well. | ||
| It's a little bit like feeding your kids the wrong vegetables and not feeding them life, but for mental health. | ||
| Domestic violence is so ruining in that sense that it just destroys mental health. | ||
| I've used it as fuel myself, but I know a lot of people don't, and it actually affects them. | ||
| As they get older, it affects them more and more. | ||
| It does, and it also affects—if you see violence too often in the young—and by the way, I should really expand on this. | ||
| Like, the violence that I saw was nothing. | ||
| I mean, you know, my dad hit my mom a few times. | ||
| You know, he smacked her around. | ||
| I saw him hit some other people, too. | ||
| He's just a— That's horrible, yeah. | ||
| That's enough. | ||
| It's bad, but— It's not violence in comparison. | ||
| It never hit me. | ||
| I've seen many people who've lived way more violent upbringing, way, way worse than what I've seen. | ||
| But one of the things that happens to young people when they see violence on a regular basis is your brain gets programmed. | ||
| To accept, not just accept that, but to be wary of that, and to be ready to respond to that. | ||
| And so you develop a much quicker temper, and the consequences of being in a dangerous situation become much more real. | ||
| And you're much more likely to act in a violent way. | ||
| When children see violence, they see people getting hit, and they see that kind of shit on a regular basis. | ||
| Yeah, it's like the norm. | ||
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It becomes normal. | |
| I think it's normal. | ||
| It becomes an option. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just like programming. | ||
| I mean, you know, you have children. | ||
| When you raise a kid, it's so fascinating to watch kids learn and grow. | ||
| And you see what they respond to. | ||
| And you see when you can talk to them and get them alone and have fun with them and respond and rationalize with them. | ||
| I try to talk to my kids like they're adults. | ||
| I talk to them like they're little kids. | ||
| I give them a lot of love and a lot of... | ||
| But I try to explain things like they're really smart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They probably are really smart because you like that. | ||
| My kids are like that. | ||
| They get it kind of, but they keep asking questions and we work it out. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| We've had conversations about what to do if someone's being mean to you. | ||
| My daughter was like, someone's being mean to me at school. | ||
| I go, well, how are they being mean to you? | ||
| She's like, well, they said something mean about my hair. | ||
| I go, well, do you like your hair? | ||
| And she's like, yeah, I like your hair. | ||
| I go, do you think they really think there's something wrong with your haircut or are they trying to make you feel bad? | ||
| She goes, I just think they're mean. | ||
| I go, well, they're probably trying to make you feel bad, right? | ||
| And so why do you think they're trying to make you feel bad? | ||
| Well, a lot of it is because when kids are little, they realize that they can affect someone. | ||
| And maybe they don't even understand that it's going to have a really bad feeling on you, but it's like a toy that they can play with. | ||
| Like they can say something mean and you react and they realize it. | ||
| And this is something that people have to get through. | ||
| I go, what you should do is realize how that makes you feel and decide you're never going to do that to somebody else, especially not someone who's your friend. | ||
| So we have these long conversations about feeling, about communication. | ||
| And then I explain to her always that whenever I tell my kid about something, I always say, whatever you've done, I've done it worse, and I'm dumber than you. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| When I was your age. | ||
| Especially my eight-year-old, who is the... | ||
| The middle child, but she's very curious and very interested in progress. | ||
| We talk about things like getting smarter, and one of the things I always say is I go, you're way smarter than I was when I was eight. | ||
| When I was eight, I was really dumb, and I did a lot of stupid things. | ||
| But also, I was a boy, and I think I was a little more reckless and impulsive and a little crazier. | ||
| But I'm like, so anything you've done, like if you don't tell the truth about something, or if you blame somebody else for something that you did, I did it all. | ||
| I did all those things. | ||
| So I'm not mad at you. | ||
| It obviously worked out for me. | ||
| I'm here. | ||
| I'm alive. | ||
| I'm healthy. | ||
| I have you. | ||
| So it's going to be okay. | ||
| So no one's going to not love you if you make a mistake. | ||
| It's totally a part of being a person. | ||
| There's no way to navigate this life without making mistakes. | ||
| So by having those kind of conversations with them, I think I alleviate at least some of the anxiety. | ||
| Because kids are always worried about how you feel, about what they've done. | ||
| They don't want you to be upset at them. | ||
| They don't want you to be... | ||
| And I always like... | ||
| Even if you do something bad... | ||
| I still love you. | ||
| It's just part of life. | ||
| I'd fuck up still as an adult, as a 49-year-old man. | ||
| I still make stupid fucking mistakes. | ||
| And in the end, it doesn't even matter. | ||
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It doesn't matter. | |
| It's just shit you can get past. | ||
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It's all good. | |
| It's all good. | ||
| Chill out, people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it's hard to... | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| That's another thing, that being in the woods and being in the wild... | ||
| Like, when you see a fucking 11-foot-tall grizzly bear sleeping on an elk carcass and you're by yourself... | ||
| Boy, does insults about a haircut seem fucking trivial. | ||
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Exactly! | |
| Eight-year-olds getting mad at each other on a playground seems so fucking stupid. | ||
| Like, look at this thing! | ||
| This thing could eat me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, isn't that funny? | ||
| It is funny. | ||
| I think, I mean, again, like you were saying about how being in the woods and then coming back here, like, wow, I could just hit a switch. | ||
| I think, you know, having that perspective and being out in the wild, it's one more thing that gives you this sort of greater picture of how bizarre and amazing life really is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you have this saying, no use crying over spilt milk? | ||
| Yeah, we have that. | ||
| I think we invented it. | ||
| I think you guys borrowed it. | ||
| I think we invented it, along with Wi-Fi. | ||
| You guys invented Wi-Fi? | ||
| I can't believe that. | ||
| One guy, he's probably American, he was an expat, probably went over there and claimed Australia. | ||
| He's probably hiding from his taxes. | ||
| Well, like, I just live by, there's no use crying over spilt milk. | ||
| Like, if something's happened, like, if there's even something stressful... | ||
| It's done now. | ||
| Let's just deal with it because it's done now. | ||
| There's no use carrying on about it. | ||
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Right. | |
| It doesn't make anything any better to get upset about it. | ||
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It doesn't. | |
| It's just like, let's just deal with the situation. | ||
| Let's just get beyond it. | ||
| But it's so common to be upset about it and everybody else does it and it becomes a pattern. | ||
| You see it and, you know, I mean, I'm guilty of it myself. | ||
| I've gotten upset about stupid shit before too, but sometimes it's just a perspective thing. | ||
| And also sometimes it's a busy thing. | ||
| Like sometimes you become, I'm guilty of this. | ||
| I do too many things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in doing too many things, sometimes I get my stress level too high, like my base stress level. | ||
| It's like there's too many things I'm managing all at once, and then I could be irritable. | ||
| A lot of stuff that I shouldn't be irritable about. | ||
| Kim's the same. | ||
| Kim's got a little business, Pretty Little Party Co. | ||
| And she gets so busy, she'll get caught up with it that she'll get to the point and she's like, Fuck, I've just got to slow down. | ||
| I've got to do less. | ||
| I've got to do less so I can actually fit in more things, but more things that I enjoy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at least she's got that outlook. | ||
| At least she gets to that point and she's like, yeah, okay, I'm getting too busy. | ||
| I'm actually losing quality time with whatever in life that she enjoys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to be the same at the business because I'd put in these crazy hours with the business. | ||
| I practically built the business so it could support itself and I can walk away and go bow hunting. | ||
| But to get to that point, I put in a few years of just... | ||
| I'd be up until 1 o'clock in the morning doing things for the business and trying to keep it growing and then... | ||
| How big do you want it? | ||
| Because the more shit you have in life, business, all those sorts of things, the less time you actually have in life to do the things that you want, right? | ||
| So I got to the point and I'm like, well, I don't really want the business to be any bigger than it is now unless I get in some other managers and things like that. | ||
| And it's just finding that point, okay, stop, because you're really not enjoying life anymore. | ||
| Let's just roll it back a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, I've done that more this year. | ||
| I used to do all the UFC pay-per-views, and I used to do the Fox events too, and I cut it back to only North American pay-per-views, no more Fox events. | ||
| I cut it in half. | ||
| They can blame bowhunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you found bowhunting. | ||
| That's part of the problem. | ||
| Shit, I need more time for bowhunting. | ||
| That's part of the problem. | ||
| I was telling you on the way over here that I really think I need to do a bowhunting TV show just so I can have an excuse. | ||
| To go more, so I don't... | ||
| Listen, honey, I gotta go to work. | ||
| Just make it up. | ||
| And it's in Australia, dude. | ||
| You gotta come in and hunt with me. | ||
| You can only see it online in China, but it's gonna be huge. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| There's definitely a line that you cross between not doing enough and then doing the right amount and then doing too much and knowing how to pull it back. | ||
| It's hard to pull things back, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most people, they feel like if they're not moving forward, they're moving backward. | ||
| If they're not doing more, they're doing less. | ||
| Yeah, that's a human condition, isn't it? | ||
| Well, it's part of this, you know, go-get-em society, especially in America. | ||
| I mean, I don't know exactly what the attitude is over in Australia. | ||
| No, it's exactly the same. | ||
| It's different with different people, but I'll have an hour at home. | ||
| It doesn't even have to be something I want to do. | ||
| I can be doing housework on the house or doing something at work. | ||
| It doesn't even have to be something that I actually want to do. | ||
| But if I'm not doing something for an hour, I am bored shitless, dude. | ||
| Like, hide the knives. | ||
| I'm going to cut my wrist. | ||
| Like, bored shitless. | ||
| Like, I need to be doing something. | ||
| And like I said, it doesn't even have to be something I want to do, but I have to have something to do. | ||
| One of the things that I've realized how to do or learned how to do over the last few years is go on an actual vacation. | ||
| Where I go and I can just sit on the beach and drink margaritas and put my feet up and play with my kids. | ||
| No! | ||
| I can't! | ||
| I go fishing, though! | ||
| Well... | ||
| We were organizing a trip recently to Hawaii, and I was saying, well, if you go to Lanai, I can hunt axes deer. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Hook up with Shane. | ||
| The problem is I'll be up at 6 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| I won't see my family. | ||
| There's no break there at all. | ||
| It's not a vacation. | ||
| It won't be a vacation. | ||
| But fishing is easy, and they like it. | ||
| My kids like it. | ||
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It's fun. | |
| Bring your kids to Australia, too. | ||
| They'll take you out on some mad fishing at work. | ||
| Australia is a strange place, man. | ||
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It's a strange place because it's a 16-hour flight away. | |
| Well, it's that too. | ||
| But it's also a strange place in that what they've done in America with reintroducing wolves, what they've done in Australia, what I think is really bizarre, is feral cats and foxes to deal with some of the- That shit never works. | ||
| So they brought rabbits out to feed one of the early colonies within Australia. | ||
| Because that was for the people. | ||
| The rabbits were for the people. | ||
| That's why they brought them in. | ||
| Food source. | ||
| Well, all the animals in Australia, particularly New Zealand, all the game animals, all of them have been introduced from somewhere else. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| So the deer species are all gifts from royalty along the way. | ||
| And then you've got other species that weren't gifts at all. | ||
| We just brought them in because we thought it was going to benefit Australia. | ||
| But most of them, if not all of them, done the complete opposite. | ||
| So they brought in the fox to look after the rabbit. | ||
| Well, there's so much other shit that the fox would just prefer to eat that's easier than catching a rabbit. | ||
| They just hate that. | ||
| And it's our... | ||
| It's like the species that lives in Australia. | ||
| It's not like, oh, it's something else we want to get rid of. | ||
| No, it's something else we wanted to keep because they're natives. | ||
| Like ground nesting birds and things like that. | ||
| You name it. | ||
| And then you spend enough time out in the woods and you'll see just about the craziest things. | ||
| And we've seen feral cats now because the birds started nesting out on lakes, on old trees that were growing in the lake. | ||
| They'd be safe there, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the feral cats were swimming across the lake at night. | ||
| We're actually seeing this. | ||
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Swimming? | |
| Under light. | ||
| Swimming across the lake at night. | ||
| Climbing these birds that are nested in the trees out on the lake and snatching the chicks and the bird. | ||
| Just devastating to our population of wildlife. | ||
| I've never heard of a fucking feral cat swimming in a lake. | ||
| Crazy, dude. | ||
| So they just figured out how to do it? | ||
| No, they just figured out how to do it. | ||
| Me and my buddies were out there all bombing them up. | ||
| There's the point right there. | ||
| The right thing to do is get in and cull those cats out to that sort of point. | ||
| Well, that was what I was going to bring up, because when I was in Australia, you gave me some of your Australian bowhunting magazines, and there's fucking pictures of dudes posing with cats. | ||
| They've got a dead cat! | ||
| That's a proud moment for a hunter, because of how devastating they are. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| The same way coyotes are here in the Midwest. | ||
| I've got a cat at home. | ||
| I'm not lining it up. | ||
| I'm not thinking about shooting me a cat at home. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| It's a cat that's got a collar on and it's got a bell on and it stays at the house. | ||
| But isn't that bizarre? | ||
| You love that cat, but another cat, you'll shoot it right to those. | ||
| Feral dogs. | ||
| You've got dingoes and you've got feral dogs. | ||
| And feral dogs are just a domestic dog that's gone wild. | ||
| And they're the same. | ||
| They'll frill kill. | ||
| They're devastating to our population of wildlife. | ||
| Wombats take a good hit. | ||
| Echidnas will get harassed. | ||
| Have you ever seen an echidna? | ||
| Echidna? | ||
| Yeah, echidna. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's like a porcupine. | ||
| But he's cooler. | ||
| All of our wildlife, he's cooler than your wildlife. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| You don't have wolves. | ||
| You don't even have wolves. | ||
| We've got dingoes. | ||
| A dingo would eat a wolf whole. | ||
| Oh, how dare you? | ||
| That's so not true. | ||
| How big is a dingo? | ||
| Not as big as a wolf. | ||
| How the fuck is that going to work out? | ||
| I'm bullshitting you. | ||
| But it's crazy, because you guys are so scared of coming out to Australia. | ||
| You've got snakes and spiders, and I'm in the bush here for one day, and there's a giant friggin' grizzly bear, like, at my tent. | ||
| And I'm like, I'll take the spiders and snakes, please. | ||
| Do you think a grizzly bear's scarier than a croc? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Crocs are just a cold-hearted killer. | ||
| If you went in the water near any crocodile, it'd come and have a crack at you. | ||
| If you went near any bear, I reckon about 50% of them, 40% of them might attack you. | ||
| It might even be less than that. | ||
| Where it just seems like a crocodile is so stuck in the Jurassic period that anything that comes to that water is just going to get chomped. | ||
| I'll tell you a quick little story. | ||
| So I'm in Arnhem Land last year. | ||
| Arnhem Land is like Northern Territory of Australia. | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Arnhem Land? | ||
| Arnhem Land. | ||
| Arnhem? | ||
| Arnhem. | ||
| How are you spelling that? | ||
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It's A-R-M-H-E-H. H is how you say H? Yeah. | |
| H? H? H? Like this thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| H. We say H. You say H? H. You guys put an A in there. | ||
| Probably not us guys, just me. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Arnhem. | ||
| Arnhem Land. | ||
| Okay, it's a vast wilderness area. | ||
| It sure is. | ||
| That's God's land right there. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Paradise. | ||
| Paradise for an outdoorsman. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Hell. | ||
| Absolutely hell for any city slicker. | ||
| It is out there. | ||
| Mosquitoes, crocodiles, buffalo. | ||
| God, that picture is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it is a spectacular place and virtually untouched. | ||
| So that's very appealing. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's the crazy thing about Australia is the population. | ||
| That you guys have essentially the population of Los Angeles in a place as big as the continental United States. | ||
| Yeah, thank Christ for that. | ||
| Yeah, it's nice. | ||
| Yeah, it is nice. | ||
| Even when we went to, like, you go to a nice city like Melbourne, like, God, it's beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, that's like a little country town for you guys. | ||
| Yeah, oh it is. | ||
| It's like Boulder, Colorado. | ||
| And we're like, get us out of here. | ||
| There's too much traffic. | ||
| So you're in Arnhem Land and what happened? | ||
| I'm in Arnhem Land and I shoot this massive big boar pig and it runs down. | ||
| So I shot it and it just ran down. | ||
| It was just on the edge of the water and it's fading, like it's seconds away from dying. | ||
| And I walk over there and as I walk over there, I sort of sit down and just give the animal its peace. | ||
| You know, I don't want to give it an adrenaline rush or anything like that because it could take longer for it to die. | ||
| So I just sit down quietly and... | ||
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Snap. | |
| Massive big saltwater crocodile just lunges out of the water and grabs his pig and starts swimming it out across this river. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| I was seconds away from walking down there and essentially dragging that pig back up the bank a bit so I could get photos. | ||
| That croc was sitting right there. | ||
| Like, within seconds, that crocodile was sitting on the edge of the bank or just under the water where it could grab that pig. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's how quick it can happen. | ||
| People walk down and go, I'll just be quick. | ||
| I'm just going to wash my face really quick. | ||
| It's always hot there. | ||
| So the most appealing thing in the heat is like you see water and it's like, oh, water. | ||
| Go down there, I'm just going to splash a bit of water over my face and arms. | ||
| It'll be real quick. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| And they go for anything. | ||
| Yeah, they go for anything. | ||
| They don't have a reluctance to kill people at all. | ||
| Definitely not. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
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Look at this. | |
| Got an elephant by the nose. | ||
| Well, that's not a stray. | ||
| There's a bloody elephant there. | ||
| Yeah, that's a Nile croc. | ||
| There goes your pay rise, Jamie. | ||
| It's still a crocodile. | ||
| Aren't they the same animals? | ||
| Nah, yeah. | ||
| What's the difference between the crocodiles in Australia and those fuckers? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Those fuckers are in Florida now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Assholes in Florida. | ||
| Florida is just overrun with assholes. | ||
| Not everybody. | ||
| If you're listening in Florida and you're a nice person, I appreciate it. | ||
| Steve Owen, legend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The crocodiles in the Nile crocodiles have been introduced to Florida. | ||
| Assholes have just released them into the Everglades. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| They have a shoot to kill. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| I'm being sarcastic. | ||
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I know. | |
| I know you are. | ||
| I was being sarcastic back then. | ||
| They have a shoot-on-sight order. | ||
| Really? | ||
| If you see a Nile crocodile, you're supposed to kill it on sight because they're terrified of them developing a sustainable population. | ||
| Because the crocodiles they have, the native crocodiles in Florida, are small, but they're very aggressive. | ||
| They're way more aggressive than alligators, but they're smaller. | ||
| But now they have these fucking Nile crocs. | ||
| That's just absolute savage and just swallow a person whole. | ||
| And you're talking about the Everglades, which is just overrun with things for them to eat. | ||
| So there's a high likelihood of them achieving a large size. | ||
| Where did they get that idea from? | ||
| They're assholes. | ||
| People have them as pets. | ||
| The same thing as pythons. | ||
| You know the python situation in Florida? | ||
| Yeah, so people have had them as pets and then released them into the wild? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Is that how they got there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get too big and they go, fuck this man. | ||
| I'm going to let it go. | ||
| Hey, you little crocodile! | ||
| Go out and enjoy the wild! | ||
| And they think they're doing the right thing by releasing this thing into the fucking swamps. | ||
| Oh, that's hellish. | ||
| Well, they have a breeding population now. | ||
| They have a breeding population of Nile crocodiles in fucking Florida. | ||
| Yeah, so back to the Australian introduced species. | ||
| Like, it didn't stop at foxes. | ||
| They kept making these mistakes. | ||
| You know the cane toads? | ||
| We have a lot of trouble with the cane toads now. | ||
| Cane toads? | ||
| Cane toad. | ||
| What's a cane toad? | ||
| Oh, they've virtually overtaken Australia. | ||
| They're going to have their own businesses and run for parliament and everything eventually. | ||
| What are they? | ||
| They're like a big toad. | ||
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You're opening your hands like a pizza. | |
| Oh, not a pizza. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| There's a cane toad. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| That thing's huge! | ||
| It's like a bunny rabbit! | ||
| They've got these glands on their back and it's got a poisonous toxin in it. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| And so our bird wildlife, our snakes, I know you hate snakes, but snakes are protected in Australia, by the way. | ||
| You can't just go and kill a snake when you want. | ||
| And they've still got their place there, 100%. | ||
| Snakes have got their place in Australia. | ||
| The snakes eat them, and these poisonous toxins will kill out the snakes, they'll kill out bird life. | ||
| They're just horrific. | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at the size of these things. | ||
| So why did they bring in the toads? | ||
| Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they brought them in to fight off a cane beetle that was eating our cane crops. | ||
| And there's that many other bugs in that that the cane tail would have been like, yeah, I'll just eat what I want. | ||
| What a stupid thing. | ||
| Can't we learn? | ||
| Well, people are very, very infantile with the perspective on the ecosystem. | ||
| Like the idea that you could just, oh, we've got a little problem here. | ||
| There's a little opening. | ||
| I'll stick a slot in there, just shove a predator in there, and it'll fill that opening. | ||
| They didn't consider all Cane toads are great stowaways and can be easily transported in your goods and luggage. | ||
| When you are packing up to leave from an area where cane toads are present, it is important to thoroughly check that you are not accidentally carrying a cane toad. | ||
| Yeah, they're not a good thing. | ||
| Tasmanian tiger? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you heard of the Tasmanian tiger? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's like extinct now, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they've got the DNA from one. | ||
| If they're going to reintroduce something, let's do it. | ||
| Are they going to reintroduce one? | ||
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No, they won't. | |
| They have the DNA from them? | ||
| They won't, but they should. | ||
| Now, if they had wanted to introduce that, if they wanted to take the DNA from a Tasmanian tiger and reintroduce it, wouldn't they have to have something that was like a similar animal and reintroduce it? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| I don't know how it works. | ||
| I think I got that from Jurassic Park. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| That's true, though. | ||
| I think that's how they do it. | ||
| Well, isn't that what they said they were going to do with the woolly mammoth? | ||
| Like, there was this Russian scientist that were thinking about reintroducing the woolly mammoth, and they were going to use the DNA from a woolly mammoth from some, you know, fossilized something or another, and they were going to combine it with the DNA from a regular elephant. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think. | ||
| That'd be interesting. | ||
| I think in some cases like that, you know, not trying to be God or anything, but that should happen. | ||
| It's a good thing, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's only extinct because of human interactions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know either, but 90% of everything's extinct. | ||
| 90% of everything that's ever lived. | ||
| It's like, where do you draw the line? | ||
| Do we bring back dinosaurs? | ||
| You know, when do we draw the line? | ||
| Fuck, that'd be good hunting. | ||
| Ooh, T-Rex. | ||
| Do we bring back Bigfoot? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Would you hunt a T-Rex? | ||
| If there's enough of them. | ||
| What if they taste good? | ||
| Imagine that, because alligators taste good. | ||
| Well, they do, yeah. | ||
| Have you eaten one? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| John Dudley kills them all the time. | ||
| He eats them. | ||
| Yeah, he's a slayer. | ||
| He's a slayer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said that their tails, like alligator tail, like the meat from them, is apparently more rich in protein than elk or moose. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Should be packing that into the backcountry. | ||
| It's supposed to be really good for you. | ||
| Super lean, cook it quick, sear it, little seared alligator. | ||
| So, our crocodiles back home are protected as well. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| There's no tag or anything for them. | ||
| You can't kill a crocodile if you see one? | ||
| You can't kill a crocodile, no. | ||
| They relocate them. | ||
| Here, go kill something over here, please. | ||
| Yeah, the city in the Northern Territory, which is all part of Arnhem Land there, is Darwin City, and the river runs right into the city, and there's crocodiles right in there. | ||
| So guys will go out... | ||
| a good idea to jump in the river for a swim and yahoo and they'll get snatched so they catch all these crocodiles and they release them like you know miles and miles away and these things come straight back into the same spot and they're like these this is what i'm hearing about these bears right yeah they catch these problem bears and they release them where near i'm hunting unfortunately But they catch these problem bears, and they release them miles away, and then a week later they show back up to the same destination. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They know how to get back. | ||
| They have some sort of internal compass. | ||
| One of the things about saltwater crocodiles that's so terrifying is a friend of mine was telling me that they were on some sort of a boat, and they were deep out into the ocean, miles out, and they saw a saltwater crocodile swimming out there. | ||
| And I went, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, how far? | ||
| I think he said he was something like three to five miles away from shore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this fucking crocodile is just out there swimming by itself. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Probably going to eat a great white shark or some shit. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It's a goddamn dinosaur. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| When Cam came out, and we were up in Arnhem Land, and I was telling him about all the dangerous shit, you know, like a crocodile... | ||
| You know, there's crocodiles in any bit of water here. | ||
| You won't even know and there'll be a crocodile in there. | ||
| And how buffalo charge you and scrub bulls charge you. | ||
| And I told him about all the poisonous bushes and everything. | ||
| And at the end of one day, we got back with like half hour light. | ||
| And because I didn't pack any food in, we had to catch fish every day or try and shoot something to eat. | ||
| So we got back half an hour early one afternoon. | ||
| We're like, we'll go for a quick fish. | ||
| We've got to catch some fish. | ||
| You know, we've got to get some food into us. | ||
| And we walk out and it's stinking hot. | ||
| It's like 56 degrees Celsius. | ||
| They're like sweating it out. | ||
| What is that like Fahrenheit? | ||
| Is it like 110? | ||
| That's probably even a bit higher. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hot. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, we might be able to swim in one of the rock pools. | ||
| You don't want to swim out in the ocean because one of them crocs is going to grab you. | ||
| 122. Jesus Christ. | ||
| 50 is 122. What's 56? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Jack it up, baby. | ||
| Oh Jesus, 132? | ||
| Yeah, walk in the park. | ||
| 132 degrees temperature. | ||
| That's why we're drinking buffalo piss because you had to keep hydrated or die. | ||
| What does it feel like to be out in 132 degree temperature? | ||
| You get used to it. | ||
| How the fuck do you get used to that? | ||
| You're cooking. | ||
| It's like all my guys that work for me work in that temperature all summer. | ||
| You could slow cook a ham at 150 degrees. | ||
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Yeah, you could. | |
| There was birds dying around us. | ||
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Really? | |
| There's a little video where I've got like, it might be a frogmouth owl or a tawny owl. | ||
| And it's just that hot that it's on the ground. | ||
| it's out, you know, because it hasn't had obviously a bit of HTO on that day. | ||
| And anyway, so we're going out and there's a rock pool. | ||
| I'm like, well, we'll be safe to swim in that rock pool. | ||
| And the tide had gone out. | ||
| We've got big tides, like seven metre tides, you know, they come in and out every day. | ||
| And the tide had been in and when it had gone out, it left a bunch of box jellyfish in that little pool. | ||
| Then the ocean itself where we're fishing in, you wouldn't be able to dip your hand in the water without getting stung by box jellyfish. | ||
| And box jellyfish will kill you. | ||
| Oh, you're dead, dude. | ||
| That was a four and a half hour chopper flight out to get there because we did it in the wet season. | ||
| You couldn't drive any of the roads. | ||
| I had to hire a helicopter to get us out there. | ||
| So it would have been four and a half hours for a helicopter to come in and then four and a half hours back to the hospital. | ||
| You're dead in that time. | ||
| You're dead in the first hour. | ||
| Like, it's, yeah, you've got to have your wits about you in that sort of country, for sure. | ||
| So, barks, jellyfish, what do they look like? | ||
| They're unusual? | ||
| They're tiny, they're nearly clear. | ||
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They're like, yeah, look at that shit. | |
| And that'll kill you instantly. | ||
| And that's the one thing I didn't tell Cam about. | ||
| And we get out to the rocks and I'm like, all the crazy shit that I've told you, dude, that's what would have killed us here. | ||
| If we jumped in the water, like, oh, let's just jump in for a quick dip. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Who's that mad bastard? | ||
| That's that crazy fucker from River Monsters. | ||
| Wow, look at that one that got that guy's leg. | ||
| Go back to that leg picture, Jamie. | ||
| Go full screen on that. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| That's a sick tattoo. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think you keep that for life, probably, right? | ||
| Did that person just get close enough to the... | ||
| Never go near the water again. | ||
| Is it like an anti-venom? | ||
| Oh, is that a baby? | ||
| Oh, god damn. | ||
| One-year-old? | ||
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Oh! | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| Will Smith was in a movie, remember, and he's gonna donate his organs at the end of the movie and that's how he commits suicide. | ||
| He's gonna jump in a bath with box jellyfish. | ||
| What fucking movie was that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I Am Legend? | ||
| That's the scariest shit than I Am Legend. | ||
| Yeah, it is kind of. | ||
| I mean, there's so many monsters that exist. | ||
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Seven Pounds? | |
| Seven Pounds. | ||
| What is that movie about? | ||
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I think that's the one with the kid. | |
| The kid? | ||
| Isn't that the one where he's poor? | ||
| Like he becomes a successful person? | ||
| Oh, I don't want to see that shit. | ||
| Oh, get that fucking thing away from me. | ||
| Oh, he actually does kill himself? | ||
| So he actually does? | ||
| And he tips the box jellyfish in the water with him now. | ||
| Oh, get out of here. | ||
| I don't want to see this shit. | ||
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Yes, you do. | |
| You're coming out. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| That's a movie he dies with box jellyfish. | ||
| That's a retarded way to die. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Oh, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| They're not even that big. | ||
| Get that out of here, Jamie. | ||
| I don't want to say it! | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Anyway, when you come out, I won't take you to the ocean. | ||
| Why are there so many things that kill you? | ||
| Well, you take them to the ocean, then the fucking sharks get you. | ||
| You know why there's so many things that kill you? | ||
| Because people weren't supposed to live in Australia. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That's what I always think about work, because it's so friggin' hot. | ||
| It's so desolate that it's like, it just wasn't designed for people, this part of the Earth. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's how I think. | ||
| Well, people didn't live then, so they didn't balance it out. | ||
| It's some of the oldest Earth. | ||
| On earth. | ||
| Actually, I shouldn't say people didn't live there. | ||
| Western dummies like you and I. White people. | ||
| We definitely didn't. | ||
| The indigenous people that lived there. | ||
| They did. | ||
| They lived on the mainland. | ||
| There's actually some really interesting areas up there. | ||
| It's called the Dampier Archipelago in the Pilbara region of Western Australia. | ||
| There's over 70,000 rock art in the area. | ||
| They still don't know the significance of it, but 70,000 Rock arts in that area. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Kangaroos, sea turtles, creatures that don't even exist anymore. | ||
| When you look at the picture, you're like, was that a real animal they were drawing? | ||
| Or were they just like, ah, I'm just going to fuck around here. | ||
| So they don't even know whether or not it was a real thing? | ||
| Because it doesn't exist anymore? | ||
| Doesn't exist anymore. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the kangaroo thing, we were talking about that before the podcast, and we said we're going to show this video. | ||
| I did not know that kangaroos were protected... | ||
| Like, you can't just shoot kangaroos over there. | ||
| All of our native animals, you can't hunt any of our native animals in Australia. | ||
| Everything we can hunt, there's 27 or 28 species, are all introduced. | ||
| They're an invasive species, like a feral pest. | ||
| That's why we're allowed to hunt them. | ||
| It's not like the American system where you're hunting your natives, like your whitetail and elk and everything like that. | ||
| And that's why we don't have a tag season, or we don't have any seasons at all. | ||
| In New South Wales, they've just introduced a season in the last couple of years, and there's one species of deer in Victoria, the lower part of Australia, where you need a tag for. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| All those other species you don't need a tag for, and there's no season. | ||
| What species of deer? | ||
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Holt deer. | |
| Why do you need a tag for those? | ||
| Oh, there's not a bunch of them, and they're trying to manage them. | ||
| It's really good what they're doing. | ||
| They're doing a good job. | ||
| So, the kangaroo thing. | ||
| I had no idea that the numbers of kangaroos were as high as they are. | ||
| So, you were telling me about this looks like a kangaroo plague, and then Jamie pulled the video up, and this is fucking insane. | ||
| Just Google kangaroo plague Australia, and what you see is something from a fucking horror movie. | ||
| It looks like thousands of kangaroos. | ||
| I mean, I have no idea how many of there are, but they're just running across this field like ants. | ||
| I bet if they had antlers, they wouldn't. | ||
|
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Jesus Christ. | |
| I mean, it is completely insane when you look at that video. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
|
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That's crazy! | |
| It's like I was saying, the same people that are like, you can't cull the kangaroos, you know, you can't hunt the kangaroos, you can't shoot the kangaroos. | ||
| Well, kangaroos are a deer species, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think they're like a marsupial cousin of a deer. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think. | ||
| I think they even taste like deer. | ||
| They taste good. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| Really rich red meat. | ||
| Super, super lean. | ||
| A lot of the bodybuilders and stuff like that love kangaroo meat. | ||
| When did kangaroos start getting yoked up? | ||
| Have they always had big muscles? | ||
| They've always had big muscles. | ||
| We didn't see that in America until recently. | ||
| Did ya? | ||
| Really? | ||
| The internet over the last few years has showed us kangaroos choking each other. | ||
| They're doing weights and shit. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| They're fucking giant. | ||
| There's a video of those two kangaroos fighting and one kangaroo chokes the other one unconscious. | ||
| Look at that kangaroo. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| Like, come on, man. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| We never saw kangaroos like that when I was a kid. | ||
| So that looks like a big red kangaroo, though. | ||
| Well, the red ones are the biggest ones, right? | ||
| Yeah, they're huge. | ||
| My friend Eddie Ift was in Australia. | ||
| He's done a bunch of stand-up out there. | ||
| And he was out there with some Australians. | ||
| And I forget what the story... | ||
| Fucking that doesn't even look real man. | ||
| That does not look real. | ||
| Bitch you wanna arm wrestle? | ||
| Oh fuck that man. | ||
| So that was what what happened with Eddie. | ||
| He got out of the car for some reason and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue because it was so big and He thought it wasn't real. | ||
| He said it was like seven feet tall. | ||
| He was like, there's no fucking way this is a real kangaroo. | ||
| He literally thought it was a statue because it was sitting there. | ||
| And his friend starts screaming, get back in the fucking car! | ||
| And the thing turns around and looks at him. | ||
| And then he realized that this giant thing in front of him was an actual kangaroo. | ||
| And apparently they're very aggressive. | ||
| Oh, if they're corners or they feel threatened, they'll... | ||
| They'll kick your stomach out. | ||
| Because what they do is they latch onto you with their claws. | ||
| They've actually got a real big claw. | ||
| They've got claws like that. | ||
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They'll latch onto you. | |
| And then they balance themselves on their tail and they kick with both legs. | ||
| And they've got like a single toenail that's like... | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| That does not look real. | ||
| And the fact that they can balance that way on their back tail is incredible. | ||
| Yeah, so they'll balance on their back tails and they'll kick with both their legs and then... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look how he's, like, balancing himself. | ||
| That's so strange. | ||
|
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It's such a strange animal. | |
| God, that is a bizarre. | ||
| I hate full flexing. | ||
| Come on, mate. | ||
| Come, Dan. | ||
| 200-pound ripped kangaroo crushes metal. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's bending cans. | ||
| Look at the arms in this motherfucker! | ||
| They're so strange. | ||
| They're a cool animal. | ||
| Oh, they're very cool. | ||
| If you come up the farm, when you come out to Australia, you'll see kangaroo fights. | ||
| They do it all day, every day. | ||
| They beat the shit out of each other? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do they always choke each other out? | ||
|
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Nah. | |
| Is this some new shit? | ||
| Are they learning how to do this? | ||
| Nah, that's pretty weird. | ||
|
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Oh, look at that. | |
| Turns around. | ||
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I'll spinning back kick that thing right in the fucking chest. | |
| He wants me to pitch. | ||
| Yeah, he's pissed. | ||
| I wonder if he could take a leg kick. | ||
| I always think if I was going to fuck with a kangaroo, I would just arm drag him and take his back. | ||
| I bet if you take his back, he wouldn't know what to do. | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| Take his back. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Find out. | ||
| Choke him. | ||
| We'll test it out when we get there. | ||
| Need some, like, thick clothing, a Kevlar. | ||
| Something where you can't cut your guts out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, you know, it probably won't even go for your face, right? | ||
| It'll probably go for your guts. | ||
| Oh, go for your guts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kick you in the guts. | ||
| If you can protect that, if you can figure out a way to, like, move in on them, juke them, fake them, get them to move, get a hold of one of them paws, arm drag them, I'm going to film it. | ||
| I'm filming it for sure. | ||
| It's going to be awesome. | ||
| It'll be on the news. | ||
| Joe Rogan tries to take on a kangaroo today and gets his stomach kicked out. | ||
| This is how I die. | ||
| There's a bunch of these videos of these kangaroos choking each other out. | ||
| I've never seen them choke each other out. | ||
| Oh, there's a great video, um, these two kangaroos are fighting in, like, a suburban neighborhood, and they're in a street, and one kangaroo, he gets like a, like a, what you would call, like, a vice grip clamp, like, in jiu-jitsu you would use, or wrestling, you would, like, clamp, you, like, you scoop the back of someone's neck like this with one arm, and the other arm comes down, and you clamp down like this, this is it. | ||
| And he fucking chokes him to sleep. | ||
| This has got to be Canberra, for sure. | ||
| See if you can fight, this, I don't think this is it. | ||
| Oh, they're big boys, they count for it. | ||
| They just start kicking each other's asses. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| But they're in a regular neighborhood, fucking each other up. | ||
| But see if you... | ||
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Holy shit! | |
| You should commentate this shit. | ||
| I should, but it's all the standard moves. | ||
| It's very Rock'em Sock'em Robots. | ||
| Look how they snap each other's heads back, too. | ||
| Yeah, two good bucks. | ||
| Yeah, they only go for the guts. | ||
| Ooh, look at that move, though. | ||
| I like how they balance on that tail. | ||
| That is really crazy. | ||
| See if you can find kangaroo chokes out other kangaroo because he puts them to sleep. | ||
| Like, literally gets the clamp down on them and then turns his neck. | ||
| See, that's another thing we invented in Australia. | ||
| Choke-outs. | ||
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Yeah, choke-outs. | |
| I don't think so. | ||
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Kangaroos did? | |
| People learned from kangaroos? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe someone actually saw... | ||
| Maybe that's a new fun school, too. | ||
| The kangaroo. | ||
| I bet people didn't know that you could choke people out until they saw someone do it, right? | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| So, they start going at it and one kangaroo... | ||
| See if you can find out where he does it. | ||
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Oh yeah, he's going for it. | |
| He gets a front headlock. | ||
| See, the one kangaroo is kind of being a bitch here. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| So he's got the clamp. | ||
| See? | ||
| Look at the clamp. | ||
| He gets a hold of the neck, and he's bending his neck in a really funny way, and he traps the head up against his chest. | ||
| I mean, this is like a Japanese necktie right here. | ||
| And he grabs a hold of it, and he's clamping down on it. | ||
| It's not even like he's paying attention. | ||
| It's like he's looking for girls. | ||
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Hey, ladies. | |
| He knows he's got this shit. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| I wonder if he's done that before, if that's his move. | ||
| Yeah, I've got this unlocked, baby. | ||
| So he clamps down on it and he holds it in place and the kangaroo fights for a little while and then, bam, passes out. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| And he's like, what, bitch? | ||
| Where's the cheers? | ||
| What, bitch? | ||
| What a bizarre bodied animal. | ||
|
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There's nothing like them. | |
| We're so used to seeing these animals that they don't seem weird to us. | ||
| But when I think about it, I'm like, these things are on two legs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What else is on two legs? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Have you ever seen a platypus? | ||
| Well, they kind of go on the front leg. | ||
| Like, look there. | ||
| Yeah, when they're just walking along. | ||
| Have you ever seen a platypus? | ||
| not in real life. | ||
| Platypus is just crazy to look at, even for me. | ||
| And I've grown up with platypus. | ||
| They used to be in the creeks and the rivers around home. | ||
| They're just so weird to look at. | ||
| And the echidna, and just when I start thinking about our species, like the wombat, the wombats They're all over the farm. | ||
| You'll see them everywhere when you come out. | ||
| They just dig these massive big holes and they're the craziest creature you've ever seen. | ||
| It's just like a big, big, fat, stumpy rat. | ||
| I know the name wombat, but honestly, I couldn't pick one out of a lineup. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| I don't really know what it looks like. | ||
| Let's get to that... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Kitchener? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Echidna. | ||
| Kidna? | ||
| Kidna. | ||
| I want to see what a kidna is first. | ||
| What's a kidna? | ||
| It just looks like a porcupine. | ||
| Oh, it's better than a porcupine, dude. | ||
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That's all I could find when I looked it up. | |
| Your shit's jacked again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They've got this crazy beak. | ||
| Only one ear again, Jamie. | ||
| It's got a crazy beak. | ||
| It's got a crazy beak. | ||
| It sniffs out like ants in an ant mound. | ||
| And it'll dig out the ants. | ||
| It'll dig out ants in logs. | ||
| It sniffs them out. | ||
| Look at that dude. | ||
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How crazy is that? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's echidna? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Me and the kids were just, um, there was one on the road the other day. | ||
| That has a beak? | ||
| Yeah, it's got a full beak. | ||
| That's a beak. | ||
|
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Hedgehogs look like that, kind of. | |
| That's better than a hedgehog. | ||
|
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That looks like a hedgehog. | |
| Definitely better than a hedgehog. | ||
| What's that thing? | ||
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Get rid of it. | |
| Come on. | ||
| Well, it's weird. | ||
| It's like part bird. | ||
| It's got a beak like a bird. | ||
| It's part sick, awesome animal. | ||
| Whoa, look at that. | ||
| What a fucking bizarre little thing. | ||
| So, there was one on the road digging the other day. | ||
| Well, the other month now, because I've been away for so long. | ||
| And me and the kids, whenever we see them on the road, we'll move them off the road. | ||
| And the kids got out, and you can actually... | ||
| All those spikes are super sharp, but you can actually touch them because it's taken up so much room on your hand. | ||
| Like, you know, there's 100 spikes on each hand. | ||
| You can actually touch them. | ||
| And we moved this thing off the road, and the kids were even normal about it. | ||
| They were like, oh, yeah, cool, kidna, you know, because they've seen them 100 times. | ||
| And I was like, anyone that wasn't from Australia, though, that was seeing this for the first time, this animal with a beak, when I started thinking about it, and these turned back claws, like their claws turned back like that. | ||
| It's for digging, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Craziest animal in the world, when you think about it in that sense. | ||
| You know, if you'd never ever seen one before and you come across it for the first time, you'd be like, whoa, look at this thing. | ||
| This thing's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a porcupine fucked a duck. | ||
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Right? | |
| Doesn't it look like that? | ||
| Like, kind of? | ||
| How does he have a beak? | ||
| That's not a bad way of putting it. | ||
| Or like a platypus, too. | ||
| They lay eggs, but they're a mammal. | ||
| Yeah, and they've got like the big duck beak. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| But the laying of the eggs is so strange. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| They've got a poisonous spike as well. | ||
| They do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Where is it? | |
| Underneath them. | ||
| It might be like an anal spike or something like that. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Not nice. | ||
| I probably wouldn't want to play around with one. | ||
| Yeah, don't finger its butt. | ||
| The wide variety of animal life is very weird. | ||
| It's very weird when you think about how many different things. | ||
| And then again, what you were talking about, about the introduction of foxes and cats, they all fit into a system. | ||
| Like, look at that thing. | ||
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There's a platypus. | |
| So it has like this funky, like kind of furry beaver looking tail. | ||
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It has a duck beak, webbed feet. | |
| What? | ||
| Have you ever eaten beaver? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Had beaver with ranella. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's delicious, man. | ||
| It tastes like beef. | ||
| I don't like the sound of it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I wouldn't either. | ||
| I wouldn't have normally even thought that you could eat it, but he killed one, and then braised it, and then slow cooked it, and it was like a pot roast with potatoes and carrots. | ||
| It was delicious. | ||
| It was so good. | ||
| I could never eat a beaver. | ||
| Because remember the dead beavers in bear camp? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's the thought now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't do it. | ||
| I could. | ||
| Unless I was slightly hungry, I'd do it. | ||
| Yeah, slightly. | ||
| I'm telling you, if Steve Rinella cooked you a bowl of this beaver pot roast or whatever the fuck it is that he made, it was amazing. | ||
| It was really good. | ||
| Oh, it sounds good. | ||
| It was like a strange beef. | ||
| A strange beef? | ||
| Yeah, like you got... | ||
| You're turning me off again. | ||
| You had me before. | ||
| No, it was like a beef from... | ||
| I was like, alright, no, I'll try. | ||
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Like, where is this? | |
| This is beef from Nicaragua. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| It's got a different flavor to it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like a... | ||
| It's reminiscent of beef, like a cousin of beef. | ||
| That's what it tastes like. | ||
| A cousin of beef? | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| And it's kind of fatty, and it's kind of like tender. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Well, Steve will have to hook me up on a hard one. | ||
| I'm telling you, you'd be shocked. | ||
| Somewhere along the line, they made it illegal to hunt them for food, though. | ||
| They're a fur-bearing animal, so you have to have a fur trapper's license in America to eat them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's people at the turn of the century, like Rinella is amazing in his knowledge of the history of animals in America and the history of hunting in America. | ||
| But apparently, many, many, many years ago, beaver trapping and beaver pelts were so valuable that the richest man in the world, in like the early 1800s, made all of his money from beaver pelts. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We should bring that back in. | ||
| I'd kill some beavers for some cash. | ||
| I think it was before felt. | ||
| And once they came up with felt, like for hats and stuff like that, because the gentlemen wore felt hats, they didn't need beaver as much anymore, and beaver kind of fell out of favor, and people stopped doing that. | ||
| I wonder how big numbers the beaver population dropped at that time. | ||
| Oh, gigantic. | ||
| Slaughter. | ||
| That sort of history behind animals, you know, when they've got that value on them, and there's just an open slaughter is what seems to drive a lot of things to extinction. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's one of the interesting things about America. | ||
| Like, if you buy elk or venison in America, most of it is from New Zealand, which is really strange. | ||
| It is strange. | ||
| And the reason is, you can't... | ||
| Like, market hunting was like a giant factor in the slaughter of countless amounts of buffalo, of elk, of deer, even antelope. | ||
| Like, they killed everything back in the day. | ||
| And it was a lot of men returning from the war at the turn of the century that just went on, you know, these trips. | ||
| And that's the way that you could make money. | ||
| The way you can make money is go hunting for meat. | ||
| And they brought that meat to market. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the... | ||
| I think the idea of these animals being precious and preserved and wildlife, the way we think of it, they didn't have these thoughts in the 1800s. | ||
| It was a resource, and they just abused it. | ||
| I mean, we've all seen the photos of the stacks of buffaloes. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| A lot of them were just for the hides. | ||
| Where we are today is definitely... | ||
| I think a lot of people think that's still happening today. | ||
| Like hunters are still that sort of person. | ||
| Whereas hunters are the ultimate conservationists now. | ||
| And the system that America's got in place is the best system anywhere in the world where there's a tag, there's a season. | ||
| They manage and regulate the population. | ||
| So let's just say elk, the numbers were down the following year. | ||
| Well, there'd be less tags available. | ||
| It's as simple as that, and that's why it's such a good system. | ||
| In Australia, we don't have that system in place, but in a sense, it's pushed all the responsibility back on hunters. | ||
| Like I can tell you now, Australian hunters are some of the best hunters in the world because they've got to conserve and they've got to manage their resources, their self. | ||
| There's nothing in place to say, well, we're only giving 500 tags away for that area this year because numbers are down. | ||
| Hunters, as much as we are conservationists, we're not going to go out and just slaughter the numbers, you know. | ||
| They're an introduced species into Australia. | ||
| They are bad to the environment if the numbers are too big, and hunters treat them like that. | ||
| We're not going to go out and wipe out the whole population. | ||
| Hunters are very good at, you know, there's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment, because there should be a certain buck to doe ratio. | ||
| There's only 20 bucks in this area at the moment. | ||
| We're not going to kill 19 of them. | ||
| There's going to be one buck left. | ||
| You know, we're going to kill the oldest buck in that area. | ||
| There's only 20 there. | ||
| Let's just kill the oldest buck in that area. | ||
| That's a good population. | ||
| It's sustainable. | ||
| They're not damaging the environment in that number. | ||
| And I think there's a big difference there between the American and the Australian hunter in that sense that you guys would do the same thing. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| If there wasn't a tag in place or a season in place, today's society would do the same thing because we've learned from the past. | ||
| Some would, but there's a bunch of people that wouldn't. | ||
| The majority, though. | ||
| The majority. | ||
| But I think there's quite a few that wouldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that is one of the main stereotypes of the hunter, is like beer drinking, shooting everything that moves. | ||
| And I feel today that it couldn't be further from the truth. | ||
| It seems like there's more of the responsible hunter, the one that's got a good job or a good business or whatever it is, that goes out. | ||
| And you've been the perfect example of that. | ||
| I wanted to thank you when I first came on the show, that the light that you've shown on hunting... | ||
| Is how hunters are today, the majority of hunters are today. | ||
| We're just not these savage killer machines that are just like, yeah, kill it! | ||
| We're very conservative in a sense. | ||
| It's not just about going out and getting a shot off. | ||
| If you are that sort of hunter, I believe you're in it for all the wrong reasons. | ||
| It's about the experience, the connection with the outdoors, that meat, that precious meat that you get off each one of those animals. | ||
| Also, the money that we spend on gear, the money that you spend on outfitters and trips, that money and tags in particular all goes to conservation, to preserving the habitat of these animals. | ||
| And a lot of these animals, especially like white-tailed deer, there's more white-tailed deer here in America today than there were when Columbus came here. | ||
| And some of the incomes all some of these small towns rely on, right? | ||
| Yes, sure. | ||
| Is through hunting. | ||
| And something that I've always pushed, because it's frowned upon in Australia in a big way, because it's not the typical thing to do. | ||
| Hunting's not popular? | ||
| No, definitely not. | ||
| And it's not accepted like it is here in America. | ||
| How did you get into it? | ||
| I got myself into it, which was really, really weird. | ||
| Hoyt were asking me the same thing. | ||
| They're like, oh, so did your dad hunt? | ||
| And I'm like, no, you know, like I come from a broken family. | ||
| I seen a bow up in a store and I was like, what's that thing? | ||
| Because it was like a compound bow, you know, I'm like, what's that thing? | ||
| And he's like, oh, it's a bow. | ||
| And so I ended up buying the bow. | ||
| And when I bought the bow, he gave me, like, it was just a black and white magazine. | ||
| Like, I was only 17. I'd run around with, like, a fiberglass pole with a string bent on it before and used to make my own arrows, like Robin Hood stuff, you know. | ||
| But never had seen anything like that. | ||
| And the magazine he gave me was a guy with a massive big water buffalo on the front cover. | ||
| And I'm like, you can kill things with this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The majority of people that never hunt have been like, so you can kill a rabbit with one arrow, but if you're going to shoot a buffalo, it must take 20 arrows. | ||
| So I was like, at the time, he must have shot it 20 times or something like that to kill it. | ||
| No. | ||
| A rabbit's got a pair of lungs, a buffalo's got a pair of lungs. | ||
| You put a hole through both of those lungs, that thing's dead in the same amount of time. | ||
| Well, now I've shot a bunch of buffalo, you know, and it's just like, that's the craziest thing, isn't it? | ||
| It was just like, it was a guy in a magazine with a buffalo dead, and I was like, you can kill things with that. | ||
| And now I'm like this full-blown hunter, you know, and it's just... | ||
| What was the process, though? | ||
| So you got a bow, and did you take lessons? | ||
| Did you teach yourself? | ||
| No, I didn't have lessons, just taught myself. | ||
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What year is this? | |
| Well, I was 17. I'm 20. No, not 20. I wish I was 20. 29th tomorrow to here, right? | ||
| It's my birthday in Australia today, so I'm 36. So I was 17 at the time. | ||
| So it would have been 97. So it's almost 20 years. | ||
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Almost 20 years, yeah. | |
| So you're dealing with very little internet back then, right? | ||
| No internet. | ||
| No internet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even though we invented Wi-Fi, we didn't know internet. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You guys didn't have Australia internet? | ||
| We probably did. | ||
| Like I said, I was poor, I didn't know. | ||
| But you're not, my point is you're not getting any information online, teaching. | ||
| Learn all your own mistakes. | ||
| That's why I was, I actually was a big part of a bowhunting forum in Australia for many years, and I just like, if I had that when I was coming up through bowhunting, The time, energy and money that I would have saved by just getting the right information straight off the internet, like being able to do research or even going to a club and there's 20 other guys at the club that you could at least get information out of. | ||
| I never had any of that. | ||
| But shit still got killed. | ||
| And that's what I always say to people. | ||
| You don't need the best of everything. | ||
| If your budget can only afford you... | ||
| You know, some recurve bow and some cheap arrows, I guarantee you're still going to be successful with that gear if you put in the time. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| So, I just had this cheap bow, cheap arrows, probably didn't even wear camouflage at the time, and just went out into the outdoors and just worked it out myself. | ||
| And this was pre-range finders? | ||
| Pre-range finders. | ||
| So, how did you decide, like, where to aim? | ||
| It was a guess. | ||
| You're using your own knowledge. | ||
| You're using your own skills. | ||
| That's what sucks about some of today's technology in that. | ||
| Because you lose that, right? | ||
| You're using a rangefinder. | ||
| You're relying on a rangefinder. | ||
| I still go out to the range sometimes where I'll just go around shooting clumps of grass or whatever with no range finder. | ||
| Guess the distance, have a shot, then range it. | ||
| Just so you get to learn distances and no distances. | ||
| I'm pretty good at like 30 yards. | ||
| No, 10. No release aids, dude. | ||
| Right, so you did it with your fingers? | ||
| Yeah, it was all fingers. | ||
| When did you start using a release aid? | ||
| I don't know what year it was, but... | ||
| Ten years in? | ||
| Yeah, about ten years in. | ||
| Were you making your own arrows? | ||
| Yeah, I'd make my own arrows. | ||
| They were all timber arrows. | ||
| Like, you'd use timber arrows, a big two-blade broadhead. | ||
| You're saying timber? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Timber, yeah. | ||
| Timber, like wood. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, wood arrows. | ||
| You're making your own wood arrows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you're cutting your own dowels and the whole deal? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Some guys did. | ||
| You'd be able to just buy, you know, like 12 dowels already spine. | ||
| They'd all be spine tested to say 80 pounds. | ||
| And then you'd glue your broad head on, you'd sharpen the front up, you'd glue your broad head on. | ||
| You glued it on? | ||
| Yeah, you'd glue your broad head on. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| No inserts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then feathers. | ||
| You'd use five-inch feathers on everything. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And just fingers on the string, free fingers on the string. | ||
| No sights or anything like that. | ||
| It was just open-sided. | ||
| It was very instinctive shooting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or some guys would use the arrow and line up down the arrow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But a lot of the times we were effective out to 50, 60, 70 metres. | ||
| If you did enough practice, you were still effective out to those ranges, but it took a lot more time. | ||
| Did you weigh your arrows and weigh your broadheads? | ||
| Yeah, you'd weigh your arrows and broadheads. | ||
| So you kind of kept them in a certain range? | ||
| Yeah, you'd keep them all identical. | ||
| You'd spin test them all once you put your broadhead on them. | ||
| You could get spine testers back in those days and you'd spine test them and you'd turn your shaft to get to the closest spine. | ||
| It wouldn't be perfect on each one. | ||
| We're talking timber here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you'd get your spine pretty accurate on each one. | ||
| You'd glue your broadhead on in that sense and your knock as well. | ||
| So everyone was spying the same up and down, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Dude, you're a goddamn pioneer. | ||
| Yeah, it was simple. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That's a funny thing. | ||
| Yeah, you're basically like a mountain man. | ||
| One of them trappers that came over here on some beaver-skinned canoe. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| So you'd have to practice a lot. | ||
| So I'll go out with my—I've got the Hoyt Defiant there, and I'll sight that bow in, and, you know, I'll just shoot once a week or whatever— You know, if I can shoot daily, I will. | ||
| But with traditional gear, you had to shoot daily. | ||
| You had to have... | ||
| I'd have 50 or 100 arrows every single day just to keep the skill level up. | ||
| And it was the same shooting a bow that was open sights. | ||
| You know, no sights or anything like that in fingers. | ||
| You had to constantly shoot that bow to be accurate. | ||
| So it's almost like throwing a rock in that you've got to kind of have a sense of how far it's going to go with the amount of effort. | ||
| Exactly like throwing a rock, yeah. | ||
| And where to... | ||
| You pick it up so that if you know it's a certain distance away, you kind of, in your head, know the arc of the arrow? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I wouldn't get a new bow every year because if you got a new bow, you had to start all over again. | ||
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Right. | |
| Whereas I knew the cast of that bow. | ||
| I know where an arrow fell. | ||
| I know where an arrow shot flat, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But like I said, hunting, I used to kill just as much back then as I do with today's technology, but I've got to spend less time with today's technology. | ||
| Well, you're also in Australia, which is very different, because what you're saying is you can hunt all year round, you can shoot things every day, you can shoot as many animals as you want. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So you could go out in one day and kill 12 deer, and that's fine. | ||
| You just take them and give the meat away to your friends. | ||
| You wouldn't unless you were just culling, because the numbers have got so bad. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| But you could. | ||
| You could. | ||
| You definitely could. | ||
| Yeah, and there'd be... | ||
| No one would bat an eye at this. | ||
| And then you just have a lot of friends and just give them the meat. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of friends. | ||
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Everybody would like to come over. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Do you wind up giving a lot of your meat away? | ||
| Heaps. | ||
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Heaps. | |
| Heaps, yeah. | ||
| I like shooting the deer while they're fat, so before they go into the rut, because they go into the rut fat and they come out looking like a greyhound, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They just lost so much condition. | ||
| So I like to shoot a couple of deer before the rut. | ||
| And they've also got a lot of fat on them at that point, which is really good for making sausages. | ||
| I like making my own sausages. | ||
| I'll fill the freezer with that, and then I've just got a list of just family. | ||
| Like, put friends aside, I've just got a list of family that will take the meat off me, which is really good, because especially with the deer, a lot of the deer meat gets all used. | ||
| Some of our big mountain bores and things like that... | ||
| I'm not a big fan of eating them big rank boars. | ||
| It's super, super gamey. | ||
| But it still doesn't go to waste. | ||
| It's dog meat or it goes back in the mother nature right there and then. | ||
| Have you ever brined them? | ||
| Like brined a boar ham? | ||
| I'd like to try. | ||
| My buddy Antonio does all that sort of stuff and he makes those big cranksy sausages, like a cured sausage. | ||
| Man, delicious. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah, apparently, if you cook them well, those old boars are really delicious. | ||
| You just have to know how to brine them and cook them well. | ||
| Well, the Europeans love them. | ||
| So we've got our professional pig hunters back home that hunt for human consumption. | ||
| The meat goes to human consumption, and the majority of it gets sent overseas. | ||
| They love it, and they pay big dollars for it. | ||
| How do they consume it? | ||
| Like, sausage? | ||
| Anything, I suppose. | ||
| I think the whole animal gets shipped over. | ||
| Right, but I wonder how they mainly eat it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The rut is a crazy thing, man, and most people aren't aware, but deer and elk and, I guess, stags and a lot of those other animals, they only have sex once a year. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| It's kind of crazy. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| But what a crazy design. | ||
| Like, nature has it set up, so most of the year they're not even horny. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Then one time a year they lose their fucking minds. | ||
| Just crazy. | ||
| Don't eat. | ||
| Don't drink. | ||
| That's the only thing on their mind. | ||
| Just go ballistic all day long. | ||
| Sometimes all night long. | ||
| I've never hunted deer in the rut. | ||
| I've only hunted deer in Wisconsin season and in Montana. | ||
| We hunted deer and they weren't in the rut. | ||
| But apparently when they're in the rut, they lose their marbles. | ||
| But I've seen elk in the rut. | ||
| And it's the most bizarre thing. | ||
| Can't even control their tongue anymore. | ||
| Their tongue's hanging out. | ||
| Their dick is flopping up and down when they scream. | ||
| Literally, they have a rod going all the time. | ||
| They're jizzing all over their chest. | ||
| They're screaming at the top of their lungs. | ||
| Our red stags, they put their head between their legs. | ||
| Like, they're in the rut. | ||
| They put their head between their legs. | ||
| They piss in their mouth, right? | ||
| They hold it all in their mouth. | ||
| Then they gurgle it as they trot along, so all the spray goes all over their body. | ||
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What? | |
| Like, imagine doing that before sex. | ||
| Like, yeah, I've just got to get this done, babe. | ||
| You know, I've just got to piss in my mouth and spray it all over me. | ||
| I've got to get ready, baby. | ||
| You know how I feel about you. | ||
| And you know how happy they are when that happens? | ||
| Like, they're prancing around like, I'm king shit. | ||
| I wonder what that's all about. | ||
| What kind of evolutionary advantage is there to pissing in your own mouth and spraying it up in the air? | ||
| You reckon we've ever done that and then they're just like, you know, we're not going to write this bit in anymore because it's just drastic. | ||
| We really don't need it. | ||
| There's no benefit. | ||
| You get yellow teeth. | ||
| You just lie on your shoulders. | ||
| You put your ass up in the air and you just piss. | ||
| Hold on to the back of your knees. | ||
| You've got to scoop them. | ||
| Pull your dick towards your face. | ||
| It's hard, but it's awesome to see in nature. | ||
| I gotta see that. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| Is it a red deer? | ||
| Yeah, red deer. | ||
| I think our rooster deer might do it too. | ||
| They're super medieval. | ||
| Are they the ones that roar like a lion? | ||
| What a weird fucking noise that is. | ||
| A lot of people don't even realize there's deer in Australia. | ||
| There's six species in Australia. | ||
| And they'll go out camping and they'll hear that and they're like, oh, there's a big cat in Australia. | ||
| Because that's a bit of a myth. | ||
| There's big cats in Australia. | ||
| That's what makes a lot of people think of it. | ||
| They're like, we're scared shitless. | ||
| We couldn't sleep last night. | ||
| I'm like, where was it? | ||
| Where's the spot? | ||
| I want to know where the spot is. | ||
| Because I know it's a deer. | ||
| Well, did you hear that there was a rumor for years and years and years people had talked about spotting big cats in the UK? Yeah. | ||
| And then they found out that there was a fucking sanctuary that released big cats. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They just admitted to it. | ||
| In the 90s, I think. | ||
| In the late 80s or the 90s, they had released a couple of Pumas in the UK countryside. | ||
| Pumas? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Pumas. | ||
| Puma. | ||
| Pumas. | ||
| No, like the sneaker? | ||
| Puma. | ||
| Like, welcome to America. | ||
| Oh, here he is. | ||
| He's pissing. | ||
| Oh, yeah, look at that. | ||
| He's pissing in his fucking mouth. | ||
| What in the hell? | ||
| And he loves it. | ||
| Have you tried it? | ||
| Don't knock it. | ||
| Give it a go. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Look, he's pissing all over himself. | ||
| He doesn't even look like he's in a rut. | ||
| He's just doing it for the fuck of it. | ||
| You don't think he's in the rut? | ||
| Nah, there's another stag there. | ||
| He should be beating the shit out of it. | ||
| Well, he's a little one, though. | ||
| The other stag is big. | ||
| He probably got to be real careful while he fucks with that other dude. | ||
| Are they penned up? | ||
| He's not doing it right. | ||
| Yeah, he should be, like, pissing right in his mouth so he can Google it. | ||
| Well, that's the thing in New Zealand, right? | ||
| New Zealand, a lot of the stags, they're high fence. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I don't want to piss off some hunters that do it, but closed range is against everything that I'm about. | ||
| It's a fake currency for what hunting is. | ||
| You get these massive big red stags and just crazy inches on top of inches. | ||
| No one ever writes, this is the closed range stag that I shot in New Zealand. | ||
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| No one ever writes that. | ||
| They're just like, oh, I've got a big red stag, you know, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And so many hunters that aren't educated in that sense, and I'm not having to stab at them from not being educated, they shouldn't have to be in that sense, are looking at that going, oh, that's what you can expect when you go to New Zealand or Australia. | ||
| No, it's friggin' not. | ||
| They're penned animals. | ||
| Right, and they feed them high-protein food. | ||
| They feed them high-protein food. | ||
| They're being genetically bred. | ||
| It's just all that crazy shit. | ||
| that's the fake currency of a red stag in australia and new zealand free range red stags aren't like that if you shoot a free range red stag like that in australia or new zealand that's going to be the record right that's going to be the absolute record that's not the true that's not the example of what you can expect if you come to australia or new zealand and hunt free range isn't that the that's the difference between free range and fair chase and these high fence operations and | ||
| And it's a very contentious argument because a lot of people are growing these white-tailed deer in America. | ||
| And again, they're introducing this crazy food to their diet and they're growing these ridiculous racks that don't even look like racks. | ||
| Have you ever seen those? | ||
| They look like bushes growing out of their head. | ||
| And they look so fake. | ||
| Yeah, I think they're ugly. | ||
| They are ugly. | ||
| I don't enjoy looking at them. | ||
| I don't enjoy looking at them either. | ||
| It looks weird. | ||
| It's like some sort of a strange, weird-bred dog or something. | ||
| When you see their antlers and their 290-inch whitetails, what is that? | ||
| Because hunting should be so natural. | ||
| And that's so far from being natural, especially when it's wildlife. | ||
| I'm not talking about walking around with a stick and string that you've carved out of a tree yourself. | ||
| I'm talking about just a natural environment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Landscape and animal. | ||
| Yeah, well, animals that are living in the wild, literally no interaction with people other than when the hunter... | ||
| Especially what you're dealing with, because you're dealing with very few hunters and, like, expansive areas where very few people even go into. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and they don't muck around. | ||
| They see you and they're gone like that. | ||
| There's no, like, oh, that dude might have food in his pocket. | ||
| I'm going to walk over there and have a feed. | ||
| No. | ||
| They're like, what the... | ||
| There's another big issue in America where they have these feeders and these people, they put a blind outside of a feeder and then the feeder goes off at a certain time and these people sit in the blind and wait for the feeder to go off because the deer are programmed to come towards the feeder when it's going off and you just whack them. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not interested in that myself, but I don't frown upon it. | ||
| They call it baiting, right? | ||
| Well, what it is is it's like meat acquisition. | ||
| It's not really hunting. | ||
| I mean, it's probably better for the animal. | ||
| And they've put the effort in to set that up right and trip that animal. | ||
| So it's a little bit like... | ||
| Like I said, it's not my style of hunting, but the free-range thing really gets me. | ||
| I don't want to go on about it because I'm going to upset too many people, but... | ||
| I know what you're saying, but think about what you were saying earlier about your experience in Montana. | ||
| You're, you know, 11 days in, 12 miles deep into the woods by yourself. | ||
| That's the real deal. | ||
| I mean, that is as real as it gets. | ||
| But there's a thing about hunting where, you know, people that are really into bow hunting look down on people that shoot with a rifle. | ||
| People that are really into wilderness hunting and fair chase look down on people that hunt high fence. | ||
| You know, I get the arguments. | ||
| I even get the arguments for some high fence. | ||
| Like, a friend of mine went to this high fence operation in Texas, and I was like, man, that seems kind of crazy that these animals are all pendent. | ||
| He's like, it's 10,000 acres. | ||
| He's like, the fence circles 10,000 acres. | ||
| But they're put there, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or they're genetically bred still. | ||
| Well, they're put there. | ||
| They're access deer and all sorts of, like, Neil guy and all sorts of weird foreign species. | ||
| He's like, yeah, they have been put there, but... | ||
| They're wild. | ||
| They're Roman wild. | ||
| I'm like, man, that's a weird argument then. | ||
| Because I get it. | ||
| If I needed to hunt for meat, it's a good way to do it, right? | ||
| Even if it's only a few hundred acres, you know the animals are there. | ||
| You just go find them and get them for meat. | ||
| But even if it's 10,000 acres, at what range is it really wild? | ||
| Is it wild at 50,000 acres? | ||
| Is it wild at 100,000 acres? | ||
| If it's fenced in, if there's a fence anywhere... | ||
| For me, it's just got to be unfenced. | ||
| Unfenced, period. | ||
| So when I went to Africa, I got pretty stitched up when I went to Africa, because it's just like an operation. | ||
| It's just an income for them, you know? | ||
| Stitched up? | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| Stitched up, fucked over. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By the outfitter there. | ||
| He was a con artist, basically. | ||
| I don't want to go into too much detail. | ||
| So I was supposed to go straight into Zimbabwe and hunt buffalo, Cape Buffalo. | ||
| Those are dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, before I got there, he took me to his... | ||
| They call them ranches or whatever. | ||
| All that means is high-fence operation. | ||
| In South Africa, and I understand parts of South Africa because it has bred animals that are on the brink of extinction, and then it's good for them because they're there now. | ||
| But it's just not for me, that closed-range hunting. | ||
| Everything's closed-range. | ||
| I absolutely hated it because I just want an animal that's there naturally, Or has not been genetically bred or brought in or anything like that. | ||
| And before I got there these guys were like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot? | ||
| And I'm like, well, we'll just see what's big for the area. | ||
| Like, that's all you can do. | ||
| You can only shoot the big animal for the area. | ||
| If you're after an old animal or a trophy animal, you can only shoot what's big for that area. | ||
| So usually I spend the first half of the trip understanding what's a big animal or an old animal for the area. | ||
| Then you'll hunt it for the other half of the trip. | ||
| They're like, what size buffalo do you want to shoot? | ||
| Well, let's just say, what's big for the area? | ||
| Oh no, we'll just bring one in on a truck. | ||
| Before you get here, you just tell us what size you want. | ||
| We'll bring it in and release it. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| If I'm going to do that, I'm going to go to a farm and say, can I buy that cow and cut it up for meat? | ||
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| So that's a little bit on at least that operation in South Africa. | ||
| I'm not saying they're all like that. | ||
| There's a lot of them like that. | ||
| There is a lot of them like that. | ||
| And then I end up paying extra because I'm like, no, if I've got to hunt free range, it's the only way I'm going to hunt. | ||
| And that's what I was coming here for, to hunt a free range Cape Buffalo. | ||
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| well we didn't see a bull for 10 days um that outfitter he'd never been to that place or or he'd never taken other hunters there or anything like that and i got there and and the whole time he was like yeah no you know this is a real good area you'll tag out straight away you'll see hundreds of buffalo every day and like i said 10 days later we hadn't even seen a bull so um yeah it's it's it's a horrible industry over there in that sense it's it's And I can be at blame as well. | ||
| I should have done more research on that outfitter. | ||
| But I won that hunt for a charity auction. | ||
| It wasn't the sort of thing that I was, like, you know, researching for weeks and weeks trying to find a good outfitter to go to and shoot a Cape Buffalo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a bit unfortunate in that sense. | ||
| There's an amazing documentary on it from Louis Theroux, who's a wildlife or rather a documentarian from the UK. Great guy. | ||
| Who's been on the podcast a couple times and talked about it the first time. | ||
| But it's all about these African high fence hunting trips. | ||
| And he was over there for a long time and got the guy to kind of explain exactly what's going on over there. | ||
| But it was just really bizarre to see people, you know, They had these lions, and they had them, like, right there. | ||
| I mean, there was two sets of fences, one fence and a fence right behind it, and they took a dead calf, and they throw it over the fence, and they watched the lions tear it apart. | ||
| But you look at the lions, you look at the people, you can go hunt those lions. | ||
| They just let one loose, they take it out, and it's all high fence. | ||
| But they were explaining that these animals were on the verge of extinction just a few decades ago. | ||
| And because of these high fence operations, now they're thriving. | ||
| But they're thriving in these bizarre conditions where they're fenced in and people hunt them. | ||
| Can't they just put them out in the wild and let them thrive out there in a closed-off area? | ||
| You know, and then there's the poaching thing. | ||
| Poaching is a weird word for it because a lot of those people are just hunting for food. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| They're just poor people. | ||
| The villages that I went through, because we'd find snares, and they'd rip them down, and it wasn't the commercial side of poaching. | ||
| It wasn't like they were collecting the antlers or ivy or whatever and selling it and getting massive amounts of dollars. | ||
| These were people that were snaring to try and catch animals to eat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I'm going broke and my family's hungry, I'm going to be the first one to fucking step over a fence and kill something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can tell you right now because I know I'm doing the right thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's a funny line there where there's a couple of different types of poaching, you know, and it's that one that's commercial and they're just slaughtering everything, elephants, lions, whatever. | ||
| Rhino horns. | ||
| Rhino horns, which is freaking horrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then there's the villager, or let's just call them locals because they live there. | ||
| It should be their land. | ||
| They're just poor people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're just trying to feed their family. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I can't... | ||
| There's no hate in that. | ||
| No, there's no hate in that. | ||
| And those people are shot. | ||
| They shoot them. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Scary shit. | ||
| I mean, apartheid is dead in South Africa, but goddamn racism is still real strong in a lot of areas there. | ||
| And those people that are just poor black people that live there... | ||
| That's the other thing that I hated about the hunt, dude. | ||
| Man, the people that I was with were friggin' racist. | ||
| Like... | ||
| I come back from that trip and talking to Kim about it. | ||
| I choked up. | ||
| I started crying. | ||
| I can't believe what those people have to go through over there. | ||
| And they were the people that were helping me on the hunt. | ||
| They were smiling. | ||
| They were happy the whole time. | ||
| And here's these people saying he would kill his own mother for the scraps on the table. | ||
| I'm like, how can you frigging say that? | ||
| How dare you say that? | ||
| You don't know that person. | ||
| That's what they were like. | ||
| Just deeply ingrained generation after generation. | ||
| I loved the local people, but I hated the outfit that I was with. | ||
| Wow, that's disturbing, man. | ||
| It's just sad. | ||
| I mean, how do you ever fix that? | ||
| And, you know, what's really crazy is for a lot of people, that's their dream, to go to Africa and hunt the big seven, you know, or the big five. | ||
| There's this movement of people acquiring all these trophies and going to Africa and shooting all these different animals, and that's the way they do it. | ||
| They go to these outfitters that can guarantee they can get in front of these animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you've just got to do your research on the outfitters. | ||
| Let's run all the scumbag ones out of the industry. | ||
| Do your research on the outfitter. | ||
| Talk to other hunters that have been there. | ||
| And not just one. | ||
| Talk to six other hunters that have been to the operation. | ||
| Demand for the numbers or the emails for who their past clients are and go there. | ||
| Australia doesn't have that. | ||
| Australia's built a hunting industry which is tiny. | ||
| It's like, have you ever heard about hunting in Australia? | ||
| Like, oh, come to Australia and shoot a... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Species of deer? | ||
| You don't. | ||
| Because it's not that big. | ||
| It's not like New Zealand or it's not like Africa where they've built a big industry on it. | ||
| How did New Zealand get so big? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They must have had the right people or government pushing it at some point. | ||
| Because people are always going on there. | ||
| New Zealand's known for it. | ||
| Beautiful country. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| But Australia's industry is built on having excellent access to excellent numbers of game. | ||
| So if you book a hunt in Australia, it's not like someone's gone, you know, there's a big industry here, so let's just make up a business, Australian hunting safaris, and let's just get people in. | ||
| We don't have game, but they're going to come anyway because we're known for hunting. | ||
| You book a hunt in Australia, I guarantee you, it's going to be out of place, as long as you do a little bit of research. | ||
| But practically everywhere has big game numbers, and that's why they've started the business on a hunting outfit, because they've got so much game, and they're like, oh, this could work out really good for hunters. | ||
| There's a ton of game here. | ||
| Come along. | ||
| So it's not like that in Africa. | ||
| A lot of those places have really got nothing. | ||
| You know, it's arid lands, and you fed all this bullshit that the hunting's gonna be unreal, and it's not at all, which is what I experienced. | ||
| Now, how many people, though, are willing to do something like what you did in Montana, or what you and Cam did in Australia, which is probably even crazier, because you didn't even bring anything with you? | ||
| Why do you have to keep bringing that up? | ||
| Because you guys survived off the land. | ||
| I mean, how many days were you out there for? | ||
| I just want to fix something up about that. | ||
| The helicopter pilot said... | ||
| You've got to keep your gear basically to a backpack hunt because the chopper couldn't carry a lot of weight. | ||
| So then I was like, well, I can't pack a lot of food because I'm already at my weight limit. | ||
| Cam's already at his weight limit. | ||
| Our buddy Owen's already going to be at his weight limit. | ||
| So I simply couldn't really pack food. | ||
| I couldn't pack fresh water or anything like that because the chopper actually struggled to get off the ground once it was fuelled up. | ||
| And then, so, that's the real story about it, yeah. | ||
| But those fucks won't tell you that part of the story. | ||
| They won't be like, oh, we couldn't take food because the chopper couldn't carry it. | ||
| They're always like, Adam didn't bring any food. | ||
| Why am I responsible? | ||
| No, the way Cam described it was like, you guys had just made this conscious decision to try to rough it. | ||
| Oh, that sounds good. | ||
| That sounds better, right? | ||
| I thought it was pretty gangster. | ||
| No, we did, because I was like, it'll be part of the experience. | ||
| We'll have to catch buffalo, we'll have to kill. | ||
| We're going to kill. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| And we did, you know, but the buffalo that we killed was so tough. | ||
| I think it might have been Cairns' first bull that he killed. | ||
| It was so tough that you just chewed the meat, you got the liquid out of it, and then you had to take the meat out of your mouth because you couldn't break it down. | ||
| What? | ||
| It was an old bull. | ||
| It was a giant old bull. | ||
| He told me that he was practicing with his bow with the same piece of meat in his mouth for 30 minutes. | ||
| That sounds about right. | ||
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That's insane. | |
| Now, what about the liver? | ||
| Couldn't you eat the liver? | ||
| We could. | ||
| You'd want to check it over. | ||
| Most of Australia's species in game are disease-free. | ||
| That's one of the beauties in Australia. | ||
| You can cut the raw meat off any animal in Australia and just eat it. | ||
| You won't get sick. | ||
| If you do get sick, don't blame me, but you shouldn't get sick. | ||
| If you don't get sick, I'll drink a buffalo piss. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, just so tough. | ||
| But you didn't eat the liver? | ||
| No, we didn't take it. | ||
| We should have, now that you've said that. | ||
| I love liver. | ||
| Cam don't eat that shit. | ||
| Doesn't he? | ||
| He won't eat heart. | ||
| He won't eat liver. | ||
| He's a pussy. | ||
| He'll run like 200 miles but won't eat liver. | ||
| He runs for 78 hours in a row. | ||
| He won't eat a liver. | ||
| That's not impressive. | ||
| He just doesn't like it, I guess. | ||
| Get a new shirt, dude. | ||
| I don't eat liver. | ||
| I just don't understand it. | ||
| I think it tastes delicious. | ||
| But it's also really good for you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think there's some sort of an obligation to eat as much of the animals as you can. | ||
| Yeah, I'll do it. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| I'll do it next time. | ||
| Especially a majestic thing like an elk. | ||
| The indigenous population love it when we go out there for a hunt. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Because that is three and a half days, four days' drive from my house to go there to go hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's hard to take meat that far home, you know, where your vehicle, if you're in a vehicle, is already packed up. | ||
| And if you did the chopper thing, you wouldn't be taking any out. | ||
| You'd have to donate it all to the indigenous. | ||
| So when we go out for a hunt, they love it because we're shooting bulls and cutting up meat. | ||
| How do they cook it? | ||
| No different than any of us would. | ||
| So how the fuck do they chew through that thing? | ||
| If they're out of community, which is like an outstation, they're on the land, you know, they're out on the land. | ||
| Most indigenous cook, just by putting the meat straight in the fire, you know, still very traditional way, they'd just put the meat in the ashes. | ||
| No grill. | ||
| Just on the ashes. | ||
| So if they killed a wallaby or a kangaroo, they wouldn't gut it, they wouldn't skin it or anything. | ||
| They'd throw it straight in the fire like that. | ||
| What would we wrap meat in? | ||
| Like alfoil or something like that and cook it in the fire like that? | ||
| The skin just acts like that and it gives the meat a lot of flavour and everything like that. | ||
| Why do we have to complicate things so much? | ||
| Oh, let's put some alfoil around it. | ||
| Let's put some spices in there and stuff like that. | ||
| Because it tastes better. | ||
| Why does it taste better? | ||
| Because we're so used to doing that. | ||
| But if you'd never done that, if we'd never ever done that, meat would just taste good just how it is in plain. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or maybe they figured it would taste better with salt and pepper and garlic salt. | ||
| Definitely, right? | ||
| So there's like some spice company that's going to go through Indigenous Australia now, giving them more spices so that they get used to it. | ||
| They get addicted. | ||
| Sales go up. | ||
| Yeah, so they throw it on the fire without gutting it at all. | ||
| And then do they eat the guts? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think they eat the guts, just the meat and everything around it. | ||
| They'd probably eat the organs and things. | ||
| Same with fish. | ||
| They'll just throw a fish straight on the fire. | ||
| I've done that plenty of times. | ||
| That's good eating like that. | ||
| So it won't be scaled and the scales act as like the protective barrier between the ashes and everything getting to the good meat and cooking the fish better. | ||
| It seals in all the flavour and taste and the juices. | ||
| Once the fish is cooked, then you just sort of wipe the scales off and it's beautiful, clean flesh right there. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I've never cooked anything on ashes, like flat on ashes. | ||
| We will. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're going to need like a month in Australia. | ||
| A month? | ||
| What's a month? | ||
| A month. | ||
| Oh, a month. | ||
| I thought it was a new animal that I need to learn about. | ||
| How about when I was in bear camp and I was like 18 north and he's like, what's 18? | ||
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18. That's how I say 18, 17, 16, 15. Well, you guys, you have an interesting way of saying words. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's proper English. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| But Australia is different. | ||
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Definitely not proper English. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird because if you didn't know Australians, you guys sound like you're kind of English. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's like South African. | ||
| That's like me calling you Canadian. | ||
| There's Australian. | ||
| Well, we're close. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They only have a few words they say different than us, like about. | ||
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A. Yeah, A. About. | |
| About. | ||
| We're going to go around about Las Vegas. | ||
| But they're polite, so it's all good. | ||
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Very polite. | |
| They're the most polite people ever. | ||
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Besides Australians. | |
| They're pretty polite, too. | ||
| But Canadians are like, for North America, they're the fucking kings. | ||
| The kings. | ||
| Kings of politeness. | ||
| But, um... | ||
| So back to this crazy hunt that you did with Cam. | ||
| If you couldn't eat the buffalo, how the fuck did you guys... | ||
| I mean, you kind of ate it. | ||
| Well, you'd just chew it up and you'd find a softer spot to chew on. | ||
| And you guys lived off of that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That and barramundi for the whole trip. | ||
| What's a barramundi? | ||
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Fish? | |
| Yeah, real good fish. | ||
| Like, probably the best fish in the world. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How do you catch that? | ||
| Lures. | ||
| We took little fishing rods in and we took a couple of lures. | ||
| Is it a freshwater or a saltwater fish? | ||
| They're both. | ||
| Where did you guys catch them? | ||
| Well, we were camped right on the coast. | ||
| It was horrible in a sense. | ||
| It was good, but it was horrible. | ||
| It was nice because you'd get a wind each night, but it was horrible because you were near a lot of water and a river mouth, and the mosquitoes were... | ||
| As soon as it started getting dark, mosquitoes would be in plague precautions. | ||
| Your arms would go black. | ||
| covered in mosquitoes if you didn't put something on. | ||
| Like I said, we had to go light, so I only had one tiny little tube of like an insect repellent. | ||
| And those mosquitoes are that brutal that you'd put that, you know, and they'd stay off you for like two minutes. | ||
| Cam didn't even have a net. | ||
| So I had a hammock, and I'd sleep in a hammock, and I had a net over me, but my back would just get smashed by mosquitoes because my back's just laying against the net, no mattress or anything. | ||
| I'd wake up in the morning just agonizing, wanting to scratch, and Cam was the same, you know. | ||
| No net at all. | ||
| They were just smashing his face all night. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your eyes not swell shut. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So can you cover yourself up with mud or anything? | ||
| You could if you went to that effort, I suppose. | ||
| I would have done it. | ||
| Yeah, you would have done it. | ||
| Fuck you, I'm a pussy. | ||
| I don't like mosquitoes. | ||
| No, it's just like... | ||
| You just dealt with it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's not even part of the thought process, in a sense, when you're on a hunt like that. | ||
| Because you just want to be a part of the hunt. | ||
| And that's a part of the hunt. | ||
| It's a miserable part of the hunt, but that's just a part of the hunt. | ||
| I don't even like a fly buzzing around my head when I'm practicing in my backyard. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Flies will be breeding in the corner of my eye and I'll just hold a conversation and people will be like, dude, I can't talk to you anymore. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| He's like, there's a fucking fly fucking in the corner of your mouth. | ||
| Like, can you shoo it? | ||
| You just get used to it. | ||
| How many days did you guys do that hunt? | ||
| It must have been eight. | ||
| I think it was eight in the end. | ||
| Now, when you decided to climb into that water to cool off, you didn't consider the possibility that there was crocodiles in there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The water was muddy. | ||
| And it's hard to tell you if it's muddy because there's a big saltwater crocodile stirring it up. | ||
| Because the buffalo go and wallow in every bit of water there is. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, we walk the edge and you look for crocodile slides, croc slides. | ||
| Doesn't mean there's no crocs there if there's no croc slides, but we walk the edge and there was no croc slides. | ||
| Now, and Owen's a local. | ||
| He's a teacher up in the Indigenous community there. | ||
| He knows the waters pretty well. | ||
| It's hard to tell if a croc's moved in there over the season or anything like that, but we walk the edge and you're just that desperate to get wet. | ||
| Cam was even to the point where he's like, can we just die? | ||
| I'd... | ||
| I'd actually prefer to cool off and then die. | ||
| Let's just do it. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And you're the same. | ||
| Like, you're desperate. | ||
| It's that hot that you're just desperate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In a sense, I think it was essential to get in the water at that point to get rehydrated, you know, just for skin intake. | ||
| And... | ||
| The water was the same temperature as outside. | ||
| Like, you'd go into the water and you couldn't feel that you're going into liquid because the water's that hot as well. | ||
| It's just been boiling in the sun. | ||
| But to lay in there and just chill out in the mud, and every now and then you'd, because it's all muddy bottom, every now and then you'd sort of push the mud out and it would release some cooler waters that sort of hadn't been cooked by the sun. | ||
| It'd be like, oh, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| You really have to go through that shit to appreciate things in life. | ||
| And one of those things that I just appreciated in life was pushing through the mud and getting a little bit cooler water, you know? | ||
| It's like, oh, this is paradise. | ||
| And then two seconds later, you're like, oh, this is as uncomfortable as shit, you know? | ||
| Well, the fact that people lived that way and struggled through those kind of environments and those kind of temperatures for untold years before they ever figured out ice. | ||
| Ah, ice. | ||
| Refrigerator. | ||
| Eskimos. | ||
| Air conditioning. | ||
| Not Eskimos. | ||
| They were like, heat, baby, heat. | ||
| Yeah, that's another extreme. | ||
| Have you ever seen when people go up there and go hunting in like Nunavac? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They go hunting for those fucking big hairy things. | ||
| What's those big hairy things? | ||
| Ox. | ||
| Yeah, muskox. | ||
| That thing is ridiculous. | ||
| That looks like a Star Wars animal. | ||
| Yeah, it does, yeah. | ||
| It doesn't even look real. | ||
| Cut the guts open and crawl in and get warm. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I've seen those things, and you just go, okay, so people live up there, and they hunt those things, and then they live down where you are, and they hope for cool mud. | ||
| Those buffalo that we hunt, it'll be like you'll think, ah, there's not going to be anything out anywhere today. | ||
| It's stinking hot. | ||
| Everything will be in the shade under a tree or tucked under a riverbank or something like that. | ||
| Those buffalo, as black as they are, will be standing out in the open, complete sun, just grazing, nothing even bothering them. | ||
| Now, most people listening to this have no idea what a scrub bull is. | ||
| They hear the term scrub bull, they don't know what it means, but it's a domestic cow. | ||
| Basically, a domestic cow that's gone wild over many, many centuries in Australia. | ||
| They're all interbred, and they're pretty crazy looking. | ||
| That's a scrub bull. | ||
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Wow! | |
| Look how cool that thing looks. | ||
| That's like a Brahmin there. | ||
| So he's a bit of a breed bull. | ||
| Look at the back on that thing. | ||
| What a strange hump. | ||
| And all it is, is that bull would be living in country where a lot of different other scrub bulls haven't come through. | ||
| So it's still a fully wild bull, but... | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah, nice scrubber. | ||
| Scrubber. | ||
| What is that one right next to it, Jamie? | ||
| With the crazy horns, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big boy. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's a scrub bill too? | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Man, that's in America. | ||
| Look at the trees in the background. | ||
| Those are American trees? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| It says Canada. | ||
| Oh, Canada. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Same thing, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| They can't even come over here unless we let them. | ||
| And they don't let us over there if you've got a drunk driving conviction. | ||
| So they have scrub bulls in Canada? | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| I've never seen that before. | ||
| I thought that was an Australian thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that one down there? | ||
| These people are just fucking shooting their cows. | ||
| Yeah, he'd be a scrubber. | ||
| Wow, what a weird... | ||
| Okay, so that's a buffalo. | ||
| That's not a scrub bowl. | ||
| Yeah, that's a big water buffalo. | ||
| What a crazy thing that is. | ||
| So that is something from Asia, correct? | ||
| Yep, from Asia. | ||
| What kind is that? | ||
| That's a water buffalo. | ||
| Just called a water buffalo? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So there's a cape buffalo that are from Africa. | ||
| What is that one, not the lower left corner, but the one right next to it, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| That's a good scrub ball. | ||
| See how all the colours vary in that? | ||
| Because they're a real interbred animal. | ||
| Interbred with? | ||
| Other variety of cattle. | ||
| Now, the meat value is not as good, or the breeding value is not as good, because they're bitsers. | ||
| They're a bit of this, and they're a bit of that. | ||
| They're a bit of everything. | ||
| It's like a dog. | ||
| You buy a purebred dog... | ||
| Or you buy a mongrel, which is a couple of different species in one. | ||
| What has the big value is the purebred, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's the same with these cattle. | ||
| So the big issue with the cattle industry, especially in these northern parts of Australia, is these scrub bulls, these feral cattle, don't have any respect for fences. | ||
| is they'll just walk straight through a fence into a farmer's prized cattle and start breeding with his prized cattle. | ||
| And then all those calves that he gets aren't the purebred cattle anymore. | ||
| So it's really bad for the industry. - So they knock the fence down to get some cow pussy? - That's pretty much it. | ||
| So they're a big issue. - Which is probably what would happen in America if those cows that I saw wandering around, if they were allowed to have balls and roam free They'd eventually become just like that. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So they're just an unchecked species of animal in Australia, the scrub bull. | ||
| And they're just free to come and go wherever they want. | ||
| So a lot of farmers really push to shoot them out or get them culled or rounded up or off their property. | ||
| Aren't they unbelievably aggressive, too? | ||
| They're super aggressive. | ||
| More aggressive than a buffalo? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, why? | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because they're pissed off because they're interbred. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's definitely not why. | ||
| They're just a cranky animal. | ||
| We've also got... | ||
| Well, bulls are pretty fucking aggressive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, obviously, the bulls... | ||
| I'm talking like bull cows that we have in America. | ||
| That's why people ride them. | ||
| They only get eight seconds if they're lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're trained to be like that, though, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Are they? | |
| Some of them are just natural... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Naturally pissed off. | ||
| It's a good question, because when you see bullfighters, are those bulls trained to try to fuck up the matador? | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Our scrub bulls would just do that shit off their own back, I can tell you now. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. | ||
| They're really aggressive. | ||
| We've got bangtang bulls as well. | ||
| I've heard of those things. | ||
| Bangtang? | ||
| Cattle? | ||
| Or like barley cattle? | ||
| What's a bangtang? | ||
| What does it look like? | ||
| Jamie will bring one up, no doubt. | ||
| How do you say it? | ||
| Bangtang. | ||
| Spell it, excuse me. | ||
| B-A-N-G-T-E-N-G. Bangtang. | ||
| Yeah, I believe. | ||
| It's one word? | ||
| One word, yeah, bangtang. | ||
| So back home, that native lands, they're nearly extinct, so they'll be back home, they'll be back home. | ||
| Okay, so in Indonesia they're almost extinct, but in America, or rather Australia, they run wild. | ||
| And they're like a velvet-skinned cattle. | ||
| Yeah, they run wild. | ||
| Velvet-skinned. | ||
| Whoa, look at his skin. | ||
| Man, they are a beautiful creature. | ||
| What a weird-looking cattle. | ||
| Yeah, they're such a good creature. | ||
| Type in... | ||
| Good hand, outback experience. | ||
| That's one of my buddies that guides there, for anyone interested. | ||
| And he's got access to these bangtang on some of the most beautiful country that you've ever seen, like in Northern Australia. | ||
| Yeah, bring up something from Carl's there. | ||
| Is that a bangtang? | ||
| Yeah, he's an old one. | ||
| See that boss going across the head? | ||
| It looks like their skin is suede. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they will charge on movement. | ||
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Really? | |
| One of those old bulls, if they see movement, they'll prefer to come at you than turn away. | ||
| Because there's a risk in turning their back to you, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| If you get within a certain distance. | ||
| And there's Carl there with the Yeti hat on. | ||
| I shot one last year or the year before with Carl and it comes straight at us and Carl's carrying a big gun like I shot it with a bow and Carl lifted up the gun and he shot this bangtang as it was charging and it literally dropped nine feet from Carl. | ||
| Like it just looked straight at him and just hammered straight at him. | ||
| I got a second shot off as it was running and actually broke its leg which made it stumble. | ||
| And then it just comes straight back up and kept coming to Carl and he pulled the gun up and he shot it straight between the eyes. | ||
| It was an amazing shot. | ||
| Yeah, don't hunt one of those with a bow, by the way. | ||
| That thing, man, they will tear you up. | ||
| They're a scary critter. | ||
| What a weird animal. | ||
| Well, I guess it's because you fucking shot it with a bow and arrow, too, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Probably very upset with you. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it seems like a crazy idea to shoot one of those things by yourself, though. | ||
| Like, you almost have to have a rifle backup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if that's the case, why hunt it with a bow? | ||
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Exactly. | |
| If you have to have a rifle backup, you probably only hunt it with a rifle. | ||
| The first hunt that I did with Buffalo was with a gun. | ||
| The very first time I went was... | ||
| Sounds like a good move. | ||
| No, I had the bow. | ||
| My buddy had the gun. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, my buddy Aaron Grant, he's a really good shot, too. | ||
| So, it was like... | ||
| Hey, you want to come on this trip with me? | ||
| It would be good. | ||
| You can shoot one. | ||
| But in that case, like, why not just hunt with a rifle? | ||
| Because you're not going to kill it with a bow that quick. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It might. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You can. | ||
| 95% of the time you can. | ||
| That 5% is a motherfucker, isn't it? | ||
| So I shot three bulls on that trip. | ||
| I got three complete pass-throughs from my arrow, and I got three bulls that died right in view. | ||
| I didn't have a single issue, you know. | ||
| But what the rifle done is it got you to go to places that you usually wouldn't, like that bull's out in the open. | ||
| behind you, you probably wouldn't proceed out there and be like, there's no trees around the climb. | ||
| I'm going to shoot that ball. | ||
| But when you've got a rifle, it makes you a little bit gamer. | ||
| Like, you know, obviously my buddy Aaron's on, you know, he's just waiting for shit to go south and he's going to pull a gun up and give it one. | ||
| That didn't happen. | ||
| All my other trips since, I've never hunted with rifle backup and But you've got to know your boundaries. | ||
| There's a big lone bull out there. | ||
| There's no trees. | ||
| He's right out in the open. | ||
| You take a shot at him. | ||
| He's the first thing he looks at. | ||
| He's going to clean you up. | ||
| And they do it. | ||
| That thing happens. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| That seems ridiculous. | ||
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Fuck that. | |
| You're coming to do it. | ||
| No! | ||
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Bullshit. | |
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You'll love it. | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| You'll lap it up. | ||
| That doesn't... | ||
| What's the least likely to kill you if you shoot it? | ||
| Buffalo. | ||
| We'll go buffalo hunting. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| The least likely to kill you? | ||
| A friggin' rabbit. | ||
| Rabbits are good. | ||
| Yeah, rabbits are good. | ||
| Come out there Australia to hunt a rabbit. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Well, you have to kill a lot of them, don't you? | ||
| They're overpopulated. | ||
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Yeah, they're overpopulated. | |
| You've got to skewer them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get as many as you want. | ||
| It's a funny thing. | ||
| As big as that animal is, you know, and me saying, know your boundaries. | ||
| If you do the right shot on that animal, that's the first thing. | ||
| You know, you've got to make sure that shot's right, the angle's right, you know, you're confident with your bow. | ||
| You put that shot into the right spot, then there's no risk because that animal's dead before it gets to you. | ||
| Staying still after the shot, you know, like I said, I'm not the person to shoot something and go, yes, yes, I shot it. | ||
| I'm not like that. | ||
| I think it's a little bit disrespectful even, but it's also... | ||
| It's also dangerous and it's unpeaceful for the animal. | ||
| Because you do that, it gives the animal an adrenaline boost. | ||
| Animals with an adrenaline boost, man, that's a hell reckoning. | ||
| Especially a buffalo. | ||
| Yeah, or buffalo. | ||
| That will carry them. | ||
| It might make their death longer because they're filled with adrenaline and stuff like that. | ||
| You shoot an animal and you be quiet. | ||
| You put the shot in the right spot. | ||
| It's so peaceful. | ||
| I've actually shot things and they've been like, What was that? | ||
| Put their head down to start feeding again and toppled over. | ||
| While they're feeding, they don't even know they're hit. | ||
| That's one of the beauties about bowening. | ||
| It's that peaceful. | ||
| And that's why you don't carry on like a frigging jerk once you shoot something. | ||
| Just quiet, nice and humble. | ||
| The animal dies peacefully. | ||
| That's what every hunter should drive for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, you would have to have the proper equipment, right? | ||
| If you're going to penetrate the side of a buffalo, you have to have a very strong bow and heavy arrows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like that because you can't tell if you're going to hit a rib on the way in or the way out. | ||
| And with my setup, like, I mostly shoot 70 pounds when I'm shooting 80 at the moment. | ||
| And that heavy arrow and a solid one-piece, it's just a solid piece of steel two-blade broaded, those VPA broaded. | ||
| Shane Doran shoots them as well by Vantage Point Archery. | ||
| It's 150 grains. | ||
| That's a heavy broadhead. | ||
| Yeah, then it's got a decent insert behind it, like 92 grain insert, and then a nice heavy shaft, and then let's just talk about the 80 pound bow. | ||
| With that 80 pounds, I can find a rib on the way in on the buffalo, and I can find a rib on the way out, and that arrow's still just going to bust straight through there. | ||
| Now, how heavy is the arrow? | ||
| Well, it depends what I'm shooting, but with the 80-pound, I'm shooting 670 grains. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, and with the 70-pound bow, it's not much different. | ||
| It's about 620 grains. | ||
| 670 grains is really heavy. | ||
| Yeah, but it makes a quiet bow, and it makes a punch when it hits animals. | ||
| And how many feet per second are you getting out of that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't even get into that technical shit. | ||
| Do you do sight tapes or do you do it by eye and then write it on the tape? | ||
| No, I've got sight tapes. | ||
| So how do you calculate your sight tapes if you don't... | ||
| Well, I've got the Trophy Taker or Option Archery sight now and it's the Option 5 or Option 6 sight. | ||
| It's got an adjustable pin or you've got all your fixed pins that you flip in place. | ||
| Now with that one, I just shoot my 20 and... | ||
| I actually shoot all my pins in, out the 50, and then I match it up with the sight tape, and then I stick that on the bow at the 20-meter mark. | ||
| So then when I pull the multiple pin out of the way, I've just got the single pin that winds up and down to their marks. | ||
| Obviously, I shoot it and check it, which I have, and it's spot on. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| Okay, so you don't do anything like Archer's Advantage, do it through a computer calculation? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I just like shooting it all myself. | ||
| It's so heavy. | ||
| I will move each pin for that shot. | ||
| So I'll shoot in, you know, 0 to 20, the first pin. | ||
| And then I'll walk back to 30 and I'll shoot and I'll just keep shooting and adjusting that, you know, in tiny little increments if I have to. | ||
| Do you have a range at your house that you do all this stuff? | ||
| I do it all up at my farm. | ||
| You know, I sent you those photos at the time of that cabin that I built. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That cabin's incredible. | ||
| I just got a crazy... | ||
| I can shoot as far as I like. | ||
| Well, let me tell you... | ||
| We're almost done here, but let me tell you people about your photography, too, because you take some incredible photography when you're out. | ||
| And you have this book that you made of your photography that I got a chance to look at. | ||
| Yeah, did I have to bring that along, did I? That's cool. | ||
| Must have had BearCamp. | ||
| You brought it somewhere. | ||
| Yeah, I would have had BearCamp. | ||
| Yeah, you brought it to BearCamp, but also you sent me to your website too, and I got a chance to look at some of the photos that you have up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You take some amazing pictures, man. | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
| That's the other thing that I carry in my pack, and people freak because it's the Canon 5D, the Mark III. It's an external flash, spare batteries. | ||
| It weighs a ton right there. | ||
| How much does it weigh? | ||
| Not a ton, but... | ||
| 20 pounds? | ||
| Yeah, it'd have to be. | ||
| Is that what you've got? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Same camera? | ||
| Oh, can I hold it? | ||
| Then add a flash, like a big full-size external flash to that, and batteries. | ||
| This feels heavy. | ||
| That's a lot in the pack. | ||
| This feels like it's probably 10 pounds, right? | ||
| The end result of that is that's how you get those crazy photos. | ||
| Wow, do you carry a tripod as well? | ||
| Yeah, I carry a little tripod. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Do you use the same tripod? | ||
| Wow, look at that photographer. | ||
| You know, people can actually go to First Man Image, which is another Instagram account that I've got. | ||
| God, that picture's incredible. | ||
| And there's a heap of pictures like that on there. | ||
| Now, this picture is from how long ago, Jamie? | ||
| That's Idaho. | ||
| That's just the other day. | ||
| Yesterday. | ||
| One day ago. | ||
| Now, how do you take this photo, like, where you see all those stars? | ||
| Is it just setting the aperture correctly? | ||
| Yeah, it's setting the aperture correctly. | ||
| The lens that I use, it's a Sigma Art lens. | ||
| It's a 20mm lens, and the f-stop on that lens is only, like, 1.4. | ||
| Like, that's super, super low, right? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I don't know shit about photography. | ||
| Like, your eye being closed up, and then, you know, say an F4, right? | ||
| Your eye's really closed up, and an F1.4 would be like that. | ||
| Like, imagine how much more light and everything you could get in. | ||
| That's probably a basic way of explaining it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And then, I will... | ||
| Oh, so I'll set the camera up. | ||
| It's got to be on a tripod, because that's like a... | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Jamie's got to explain. | ||
| Hey, I got it right. | ||
| It's an F number, Wikipedia... | ||
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It's like exponentially larger. | |
| Every time you drop in an increment, it gets exponentially larger. | ||
| And then as you go higher in f-stops, it'll get smaller. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I'm self-taught. | ||
| I'm not really into the lingo, but there you go. | ||
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I got it right. | |
| So the same thing is with bowhunting. | ||
| You're self-taught with photography as well. | ||
| Self-taught, yeah. | ||
| That's what happens when you live out in the jungle. | ||
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Fire. | |
| Fucking bangtangs and wild snakes and shit. | ||
| So that's obviously set up on a tripod, and it's about a 15-second exposure. | ||
| So, you know, it's open for 15 seconds. | ||
| It gathers in a lot more light. | ||
|
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God damn, that is fucking beautiful. | |
| How many days ago is that from, Jamie? | ||
| Six days ago? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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God! | |
| That is your tent. | ||
| What an amazing picture. | ||
| This is your tent, and your tent looks like, did you have a headlamp inside the tent or something that illuminated it? | ||
| Yeah, tiny little headlamp. | ||
| So you left that on. | ||
| Left that on, set the camera up. | ||
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God! | |
| The stars, man. | ||
| So that's what you're seeing every night while you're camping up there? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Every night until the moon come in. | ||
| Man, that's fucking pretty. | ||
| I love moonless nights just for that very same reason. | ||
| Moonless nights are the best. | ||
| There's nothing like that view of the Milky Way. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Hey, if you can, Jamie, if you go back a little bit, you'll see some dead buffalo pictures. | ||
| Around that time, I was taking some star shots when I was in Arnhem Land. | ||
| There's no light pollution anywhere up there. | ||
| The stars with the naked eye, the aperture and everything can come back so much further on those nights because even with the human eye, it's just crazy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's just lit up. | ||
| You could actually walk around in the dark just lit off the Milky Way. | ||
| No moon. | ||
| You could walk around in the dark up there just because there's so many more stars that you can see. | ||
| It's crazy and your eyes just open up to it. | ||
| There's a benefit of bow-hunting, people. | ||
| Or the outdoors. | ||
| Don't even get into bow-hunting. | ||
| Just go camping in the outdoors. | ||
| Nah, you might have to go up a little bit. | ||
| That's pretty cool, though. | ||
| That was a solo camp that I had. | ||
| Go up or down? | ||
| Older. | ||
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Older. | |
| That's a pretty good one. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| Check that shit out. | ||
| That's like you're in a spaceship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that really is like a spaceship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, if any of your listeners are into the outdoors and not necessarily killing, because obviously Adam Greentree Bowen has got a lot of harvest kills on it. | ||
| If you're just into photography, just go to First Man Image. | ||
| First Man Image? | ||
| First Man Image. | ||
| Adam. | ||
| Oh, Adam. | ||
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I get it. | |
| First man, like Adam and Eve. | ||
| Do you know how many people didn't get that? | ||
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Nobody. | |
| Me. | ||
| I'm one of the latest who didn't get it. | ||
| First man image on what? | ||
| On Instagram? | ||
| Instagram, yeah. | ||
| Do you spell it in some sort of weird Australian way? | ||
| First.man.image. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| So it's adam.greentree.bowhunter if you're interested in looking at dead animals and stars. | ||
| And if you just want photography, first.man.image. | ||
| And you're a pussy if you only go to that one. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| First.man.image. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| Goddamn, you take some pretty pictures, dude. | ||
| That's amazing that you're self-taught. | ||
| I've been thinking about it lately that I need to get into photography, at least somewhat, to just take pictures other than with my iPhone. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| When you do so much, it's the best way to capture a memory because I can look back on the photos now and go, that's right, how cool is that, or whatever. | ||
| Sometimes I do so much and I get carried away with doing so much hunting that it's like if I didn't take a photo, I'd actually forget that moment because there's so much happening. | ||
| And I just love showing it to my kids and friends and people that are interested. | ||
| It's a really good promotion for the sport. | ||
| I used to think... | ||
| Do you call hunting a sport? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I hate that word. | ||
| But you just used it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah, it's a common word that people use. | ||
| At least you correct me. | ||
| I feel like there's a better word for it, like natural life. | ||
| A natural part of me, or discipline. | ||
| I think discipline is a better word for it. | ||
| I hear the sport, like, you know, welcome to the sport, glad you're getting involved in the sport, and I'm like, ooh. | ||
| So, or we could call it a pastime. | ||
| I've called it a pastime a lot. | ||
| Yeah, but a pastime doesn't seem significant enough. | ||
| It doesn't, yeah. | ||
| It seems like it's not... | ||
| I mean, you shoot an elk, is that a pastime? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's way more than that. | ||
| It's like a life experience. | ||
| Who I am. | ||
| What we are. | ||
| And then some, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, with you getting into the sport... | ||
| I'm not going to say it's shit. | ||
| See? | ||
| With you getting into bow hunting, I guarantee you, you wish you found that 20 years ago. | ||
| Bowhunting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm happy I found it when I found it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I'm busy. | ||
| I used to hate the idea of someone's going to go through life and never find this connection. | ||
| And that's the big push for me to promote bowhunting. | ||
| I've written for the Australian outdoor magazines for like 12 years now. | ||
| And a lot of people think it's like a self-promotion. | ||
| Like, I don't care. | ||
| I don't care if I didn't have any viewers at all. | ||
| As long as people were getting that exposure, I was putting that out there for people to go, oh, I should try this. | ||
| It looks cool. | ||
| This dude's really enjoying it. | ||
| Here's the benefits in it and going and doing it because it drives me nuts just thinking that someone should have that connection. | ||
| They just don't know it yet because a lot of the guys, especially the older guys that I've introduced to bowhunting, Have always been like, man, I would have never known about this before. | ||
| And they've just got... | ||
| Now I can't imagine them as anything else but hunters. | ||
| Because they just thrive on it that much and it's done so much for their lives. | ||
| Or just the outdoors. | ||
| Some guys that get into it try and be like, it's not for me, but I really love camping and being out there in the wilderness. | ||
| And even archery. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Just shooting a target for me is like a form of therapy. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a zen moment. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there's so much concentration going on that it cleanses your mind. | ||
| And if I can shoot bows for an hour every day, man, it just alleviates stress in some sort of a strange, like, you know, for lack of a better word, zen way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That might be the best word for it, actually. | ||
| What you were talking about earlier, like going out to the wilderness, no technology or anything like that, what it does to the mind is it frees the mind. | ||
| It's like it resets me. | ||
| It's like hitting the reset button. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| It's all fresh now. | ||
| It just gives you time to think. | ||
| Yeah, and even people that aren't into hunting, I totally understand that. | ||
| And like I said, I've been really paying attention a lot to people that do these long-term hikes and also overlanding, people that just go on these crazy adventures. | ||
| Like, they get off the beaten path and they develop these vehicles that are capable of driving over adverse conditions, and they just... | ||
| Figure out a way to live. | ||
| Out there in the desert or out there in the mountains. | ||
| It's fascinating to me because there's a longing, I think, that people have to get away from the concrete, to get away from the electricity, and to just feel the stillness of the actual world. | ||
| encumbered on and just uncompressed by by civilization and buildings and language and and When you're out there, man, I've never done what you've done, but when you're out there for 11 days, you don't even talk to anybody for 11 days? | ||
| So this trip I did, because I had internet service at the top, or reception, and I kept doing this Insta stories, you know? | ||
| Yeah, those were great. | ||
| Great, by the way. | ||
| Oh, you were watching them? | ||
| Yeah, I watched all of them. | ||
| I wish you'd saved them, though. | ||
| The thing about extra stories, they disappear. | ||
| That absolutely sucks. | ||
| You know what Hoyt need to do if you're listening? | ||
| Next year, send a photographer out or a film dude and we'll film the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, but then some dude's going to be talking to you and complaining and farting. | ||
| That's the rules. | ||
| He can't talk. | ||
| He's got to have his own campsite and shit like that. | ||
| He can't jump in if a bear's trying to eat me. | ||
| Someone's a pre of the dog. | ||
| I can't even help you from a bear, huh? | ||
| So that sucked, but I've had trips where you don't talk to people for days and days on end, and just the fact of coming back into civilization and opening your mouth feels weird. | ||
| To talk. | ||
| Oh, it feels absolutely weird. | ||
| But even when you're talking up there, you're not talking to anybody. | ||
| No, that's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you're talking to the phone. | ||
| You're like, hey, I'm up here. | ||
| I just heard a wolf. | ||
| You tend to talk to yourself every now and then. | ||
| You do. | ||
| You seriously do. | ||
| Every now and then, you'd be like... | ||
| And then you think like, why do they say that out loud? | ||
| Because you haven't interacted with anyone for so long. | ||
| You know, it'll be something like, oh, you fell over, you frigging dummy. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Right. | |
| Which happened a few times. | ||
| Well, you definitely don't want to break a leg up there. | ||
| Nah, you'd be screwed. | ||
| Did you bring a satellite phone? | ||
| Yeah, I had a satellite phone. | ||
| So in case shit goes bad. | ||
| Yeah, and it's got an SOS button built into it. | ||
| I even say it to Kim, my wife, you don't see that side of things, but I do actually take precautions. | ||
| I take a sat phone, that's it. | ||
| There's management within it, but you just don't see it. | ||
| Listen, dude, there's a very small handful of people, even in the hunting world, that are doing what you're doing, that are taking those kind of crazy adventures and just diving into it. | ||
| It's awesome, man. | ||
| I was really blown away by those Instagram stories and following you every day. | ||
| I follow you several times a day. | ||
| I would go in and check in on it. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Make sure everything's going on. | ||
| Slow up. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah, that is good. | ||
| Oh, that's good, because I never see you liking any of my shit. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I'm like, I hope he's seen this. | ||
| I should probably like things more. | ||
| I just look at them. | ||
| I enjoy them. | ||
| I need to hit that little heart button. | ||
| People love you when you hit that heart button. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Give a little bit of love. | ||
| I'll give you a little love. | ||
| You need to do one of them trips. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Yes, you do. | ||
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Definitely not. | |
| I'm telling you, you'll frigging thrive on it, dude. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I don't think I do, too. | ||
| Yep, you would. | ||
| You'd love it. | ||
| I don't mind. | ||
| I would like to go and do, you know, like a deep backpack trip, a solo. | ||
| I don't know about all that. | ||
| I don't want anybody finding my sneakers. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| A foot still inside from wolf marks all over it. | ||
| That would be so ironic if I were eaten by the wolves that I love so much. | ||
| Yeah, that's funny. | ||
| Well, hey, brother. | ||
| Thank you very much for doing this. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
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Thanks for having me on the show. | |
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| It's always cool hanging out with you. | ||
| I'm glad we got a chance to do this. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| And again, adam.greentree.bowhunter on Instagram. | ||
| And where else can people get you? | ||
| first.man.image on Instagram. | ||
| Or you can find Bo for those on Facebook as well. | ||
| And you have a website? | ||
| No website. | ||
| No website? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No website and no weirdos, thank you. | ||
| No weirdos. | ||
| Alright folks, thank you very much. | ||
| See you soon. |
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