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Aug. 31, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #841 - Greg Fitzsimmons
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unidentified
And we're live.
Yes.
joe rogan
This is how we're going to start it off.
We're going to build today, ladies and gentlemen.
We're going to start slow.
And we're going to build.
Gregory!
How are you, buddy?
greg fitzsimmons
Joseph, we have a lot to talk about.
joe rogan
We do.
greg fitzsimmons
Jesus, we got an Italy trip.
We were both overlapped in Italy.
joe rogan
I fucking love the bit you're doing about the guy over there.
unidentified
I don't want to give the bit away.
greg fitzsimmons
I'll just say, I saw a guy walking down the street, my sister pointed out, they're so fucking animated over there.
You see, Italian-Americans are kind of animated.
Italian-Italians, the guy's walking down the street on his cell phone, and I don't know what he's saying, and he's getting so animated, he stops, puts his briefcase down so he can pinch his fingers together and wave his hand up and down.
With the cigarette dangling and...
joe rogan
Have you seen the Italian Dan Bilzerian?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
There's an Italian version of Dan Bilzerian.
So you got Dan Bilzerian, who's this super wealthy poker player, gambler character, international playboy type dude, worth fucking hundreds of millions of dollars, and just every picture is him in a jet and him getting blown by 50 chicks, you know?
Well, there's this guy in Italy, and all he does is take videos of him and his super hot fiancee dancing.
And apparently he's this huge celebrity in Italy, and he's an older guy.
Yeah.
He's actually my age, but he just looks older.
Oh, look at that.
50-year-old millionaire is cooler than Dan Bilzerian.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, and he's fucking ripped.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he's shredded.
greg fitzsimmons
Tatted up.
joe rogan
And he could dance.
Go to his Instagram page.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I love that guy.
joe rogan
One of them became famous.
No, that's not it.
It's one with him and the girl.
Yeah, that's his page.
I'll tell you.
Scroll down.
Keep scrolling down.
No, no, no.
Just scroll down a little.
I'll tell you which one to click on.
He's got a gang of them on his page, but one of them sort of caught fire on the internet, and people started paying attention to it, and then it became this big thing.
A little bit more.
greg fitzsimmons
It's all just pictures.
joe rogan
No, that's it.
The left-hand side.
That's one of them.
Yeah, that's just one of them.
This is not even the best one.
I mean, it's like him and this girl, like, dancing.
And she's...
Hot as fuck.
And even though he's my age, this dude is like well leathered from the sun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like he's constantly out in the sun.
greg fitzsimmons
He's never worn sunblock in his life.
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
Nor has she.
joe rogan
They don't give a fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at the body on her.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And he's in great shape too, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at her feet.
Beautiful feet.
joe rogan
But I mean, this is what it is.
A dude basically in his underwear with a girl in her underwear, and they're all sweaty and dancing around.
greg fitzsimmons
On a gorgeous rooftop villa with a pool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're just super ballin'.
They're super ballin' publicly.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, sometimes I see rappers and they've got the yacht and they've got all that and then they've got this dour face painted on where you look like, dude, do you realize you're on the roof of a fucking, you know, yacht and you've got beautiful women standing around you and there's music?
Why don't you get involved a little bit?
joe rogan
Dude, it's hard out there.
greg fitzsimmons
It's hard out there for a pimp.
joe rogan
They took down Chris Brown.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, what happened?
I just saw that he was arrested.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I turned on the TV yesterday at noon, and this was the first I'd heard of it.
There was a standoff at his house.
And I was like, what?
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
What the hell is this?
So apparently they had been there since three o'clock in the morning.
So they'd already been there for nine hours.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, and they didn't have a warrant, but they were surrounding his house, and there was helicopter footage of it, so they're showing it on the news.
Helicopters circling Chris Brown's house, cops all down the driveway.
He lives on a cul-de-sac, so there's all these cops all lined up down the street.
Cops everywhere.
Like, a ton of cops.
Like, they're responding like this is an armed, dangerous guy, like they would any other armed, dangerous guy.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's just him?
joe rogan
It's just him, and apparently some girl, he might have had some friends at home with him, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it was just him, and he said they were at some party or something like that, and the girl said he pulled a gun on him.
He pulled the gun on her.
And so I guess she called the cops.
jamie vernon
There was more people there.
The story I heard was that a friend of his had a bunch of jewelry out.
joe rogan
Oh, at the party, you mean?
jamie vernon
And her and her friend went to look at the jewelry.
And when they started asking about the jewelry, Chris freaked out on them and said, get the fuck out of my house.
I don't want you girls here anymore.
And one of his friends grabbed her phone and tried to say, like, I'm not going to give it back to you to sign an NDA. And then she said she wouldn't do it, snatched her phone and ran out.
This was according to her, though, too.
So...
greg fitzsimmons
It is.
It's hard out there for a pimp.
joe rogan
Sketchy all around.
Sketchy all around, right?
I mean, it's like, what do you say about something like that?
Like, what the fuck really happened?
greg fitzsimmons
And why is your friend showing jewelry at your house?
I mean, every detail of it is twisted.
joe rogan
It's all so stupid.
So he makes a ton of videos and puts them on Instagram.
greg fitzsimmons
Chris Brown?
joe rogan
Yeah, of him, you know, giving his side of what things are.
And he's keeping it real, essentially, on his videos.
Yeah.
And he's smoking a cigarette.
It's very sketch.
greg fitzsimmons
So they didn't hold on to him.
They arrested him, and then he's out.
joe rogan
They arrested the fuck out of him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if they kept him, but, I mean, they went in and they booked him for assault with a deadly weapon.
Or attempted assault with a deadly weapon.
Is that what it is?
greg fitzsimmons
How long until he's saying that the cops were roughing him up?
joe rogan
I'm sure they have video footage of everything.
They wouldn't be crazy.
They would be crazy not to.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Something like that?
Like, who the fuck knows?
greg fitzsimmons
Didn't Chris Brown, like, fuck his underage cousin and then piss on somebody?
joe rogan
No, that was R. Kelly.
You're combining, like, three different black people.
I don't know who fucked their cousin, but R. Kelly was peeing on people.
greg fitzsimmons
Didn't he used to put women to sleep and molest them?
joe rogan
No, that's the other guy.
That's Bill Cosby.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, got it.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Isn't that crazy?
Like, what the fuck, man?
greg fitzsimmons
I can't tell black people who art.
I just realized that.
joe rogan
You confused R. Kelly and Chris Brown.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that bad?
Are they close?
joe rogan
They're off by like 15, 20 years.
One of them is our age.
unidentified
R. Kelly, he's 49. And when did he play basketball?
joe rogan
He didn't play basketball.
He's a singer.
He's a singer.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, got it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know any of his songs other than the really hilarious ones.
But have you ever heard Real Talk?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
I wish we could play it, but we'd get the boot off the YouTube.
I gotta play it for you.
It's fucking brilliant.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah?
joe rogan
It's fucking brilliant.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's humorous.
joe rogan
Not on purpose.
unidentified
Oh.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
Got it.
joe rogan
It's all about him getting in an argument with a girl on the phone.
We'll see if we can play part of it.
We'll play part of it.
greg fitzsimmons
Why, they flag it that quick?
joe rogan
We'll just keep their part off the YouTube.
Yeah, dude.
They have a computer that does it.
If you play someone's song, You don't have permission.
If you show a video, you don't have permission.
You know, people own their property.
So if some guy has a video, like here was an issue.
There was a guy, like wildlife videos.
A guy might have a video of a crocodile walking across a golf course.
Did you see that?
A giant alligator.
greg fitzsimmons
Huge?
joe rogan
Huge!
Like 15 feet long.
Enormous.
I put it up on my Facebook, because I just retweeted like a YouTube video that somebody posted up.
Or I put a link up to it, like check this shit out.
That's all I did.
I didn't upload it to Facebook.
And Facebook took my account down for like three days.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, they wouldn't let me post a video for three days.
greg fitzsimmons
So what's the lesson there?
joe rogan
Somebody owns that video.
greg fitzsimmons
Don't retweet anything?
joe rogan
I don't think it was correctly done.
I don't know.
I think maybe I retweeted someone who had illegally put it up or something like that.
I don't remember the full details of it because I retweet shit constantly.
When people send me something that's cool, I'm like, I would want to see this.
So I send it to everybody that's...
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they shouldn't penalize a retweet.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe I put a link up to the video, but I definitely didn't upload the video.
It's somebody else's video.
It was on, you know, whatever it was, whatever, LiveLeak, who knows what the fuck it was on, but somebody decided they own that video, and it's got more than 20 million hits now.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's like when a video becomes that popular, I think they can make a fuckload of money from it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It becomes like a television show.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
So if we play this...
We'll get kicked off YouTube, but you got to hear it.
So this part is not on YouTube, right?
People can't hear it?
greg fitzsimmons
This is Chris Brown.
joe rogan
No, you got two things going on at the same hand, Young Jamie.
Young Jamie's Captain Tabs.
He loves them Tabs.
For the people listening, what this is, is he's sitting there He's got a box of cigars he's opened up.
He's got sunglasses on and he says, I'm just gonna be real.
I'm just gonna be real.
greg fitzsimmons
He's got on Gucci sunglasses that say Gucci across the front.
joe rogan
They have to.
And so he's pouring himself a nice drink.
He's got a stogie going.
He's calming this girl down.
unidentified
I was at a club with who?
What?
greg fitzsimmons
He's keeping it real.
unidentified
It's called Real Talk.
joe rogan
Real Talk.
I'm trying to establish...
What's wrong?
And while he's talking to her, another girl's braiding his hair.
Because she saw me at the club with some other bitches.
Tell me, girl.
unidentified
Did she say there were other guys there?
This is...
Do you know?
joe rogan
Do you know how good that is?
Well, there are other guys there who tell me this.
Back that up.
We've got to hear that again.
greg fitzsimmons
It's not even a lyric.
It's just him ranting to a friend with a beat under it.
joe rogan
Just play a little bit of that.
Just play a little bit of that.
unidentified
I mean, come on, man!
How the fuck do you know I was with those other girls, man?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Goddammit, he's good.
greg fitzsimmons
He's living it.
joe rogan
It's like if he's a brilliant comedian, just a brilliant Andy Kaufman times 100, and he's committed to this character, and he's literally gone out and peed on girls on video just for this character, he's delivering it in the most subtle of parodies.
Tell me this, Dan.
greg fitzsimmons
When I was down in, I used to write for a show.
You know T.I.? The rapper?
The rapper T.I. I've heard of him.
He's like an Atlanta-based kind of gangster rapper.
joe rogan
R. Kelly has 40 more chapters of Trapped in the Closet planned.
greg fitzsimmons
What's trapped in the closet?
He didn't write a book.
joe rogan
No, it's way better than a book.
It's like a musical.
Like a story gets told over a rap musical with the most preposterous lyrics of all time.
Like he wrote them five minutes before he decided to film this whole thing.
jamie vernon
It's a South Park parody, too.
They did a whole thing on it, too.
joe rogan
South Park did a whole thing with Tom Cruise.
Were Tom Cruise's in the closet?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
It was like a Scientology gay double whammy attack.
And they used trapped in the closet.
jamie vernon
There's already 33 chapters to it.
joe rogan
Oh Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
So it's doing well.
joe rogan
Dude, people love him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They love that guy.
He's like the bump and grind guy, is that him?
No.
Is that him?
jamie vernon
And I Believe I Can Fly from Space Jam.
joe rogan
Oh, that's it.
That did it.
That did it.
That touched a lot of people's hearts, Jamie.
greg fitzsimmons
That was his song, I Believe I Can Fly?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So he's got a good voice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, he's got a great voice.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got a great voice, but goddamn that video is awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That shit's awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, just imagine waking up in the morning and being that guy and deciding, I'm gonna wear that purple fuchsia studded jacket today.
I'm gonna get high immediately.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could do it.
You could kind of, anybody could kind of do it.
greg fitzsimmons
When do the bitches get there?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, do you call the bitches or do they just show up?
joe rogan
Um, I think they just come with the contract or something.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
You don't get your security deposit back if they're dead.
joe rogan
They're just there.
It's like a natural ecosystem.
You look at a reef.
What does it have?
It has clams.
It has crabs.
It has plankton.
greg fitzsimmons
Feeder fish.
joe rogan
They're feeder fish.
Do you have expensive cars?
Yes.
Are there mansions?
Yes.
Is there jewelry involved?
Yes.
Okay, well, the bitches will be there.
They'll find their way.
greg fitzsimmons
They've heard about it.
joe rogan
It's...
greg fitzsimmons
It's like they've got a friend at the jewelry store going, yeah, there's a bag of diamonds going up to 3200 Mulholland.
joe rogan
They smell it.
It's in the air.
There's a certain kind of hoochie mama that just smells that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she just shows up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
I mean, studying nature is like an outsider.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It feels like looking at humans.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what you should do is like a Bear Grylls kind of a show, but it's just you exploring social phenomenons like R. Kelly.
Treating them like they're in the wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of stuff you could treat like that if you just studied it as a scientist, right?
Wouldn't you want to get involved with rodeo culture?
Tell me you wouldn't want to be around the people that are ultra-rodeo people that love rodeo and you'd hang out with them and be with them every day for a couple months, like Louis Theroux style.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Embed yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, like Louis Theroux, when he does these documentaries, he goes to a place.
He went to Africa for three months and hung out in a hunting camp and hung out with these people until he annoyed them to the point where they got mad at him and gave him some good footage.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
Oh, that's what he was looking for.
joe rogan
Not really.
He was looking to understand it, but after a while, the best footage came out of this guy just getting really pissed at him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that if you embedded yourself in like, okay, how about a coal mining town?
Embed yourself in a coal mining town.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Listen to the music, date a local girl who's got teeth knocked out.
joe rogan
Even worse, get a job.
Get a job at the mine.
Work and live in the mine for a couple months.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And then do something on that.
See, there's some weird pockets of humanity in this fucking country.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just in this country.
Like, forget about the world.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, what about the ultra-rich going to a country club in West Palm Beach that has no black members and it's all like, you know, Fortune 500 CEOs and old fucking money, just blue blood dripping out of them.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
If you could get access to that.
Wow.
What kind of stock tips are going on in that steam room?
You know, they are the reptilians.
They're deciding when the market goes up and down, interest rates, foreign policy.
It's all happening in that fucking steam room.
joe rogan
Wow.
There's a lot of that, right?
Golf games.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
How much gets done on golf courses?
Like, you almost have to play golf.
If you're like a big-time businessman, you almost have to play golf.
greg fitzsimmons
Which is time-consuming as shit.
It's five hours out there, you gotta get there, then there's a drink afterwards.
It's a whole fucking day.
That's the thing about golf, is it requires the money to join, and then also the wealth to not have to be working that day.
joe rogan
That's a giant chunk of time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
When Obama plays golf, does he play golf for that long?
greg fitzsimmons
No, because they'll clear the course for him, and then they have four caddies, who are guys that stand up about 100 yards ahead of you, and they spot your ball.
So by the time you drive up in the cart, he's already got the ball, and he's running ahead.
And so they probably get around in about two and a half hours.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Bush used to run golf.
I'd never heard of the sport before, but his family does it.
You jog and hit the ball and keep jogging.
joe rogan
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
He would play golf in like 45 minutes.
It's like polo of people.
You're the horse.
Yeah, what?
joe rogan
I've never even heard of such a thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's like, you know, time conservation, bush style.
joe rogan
Well, that was one of the only big benefits of golf, is that you had to walk the course.
And the course is a lot of exercise, and you got your exercise in.
And people are like, eh, not really into that part of it.
greg fitzsimmons
Deals are being made back in the cart.
joe rogan
I just want a cart that's hooked up with a stereo and a cooler.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I'm Rodney Dangerfield on this shit.
joe rogan
How drunk are you allowed to get on a golf course?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you know, I play golf and I play a lot of these celebrity tournaments, which is like, you know, they'll have 18 groups that are going out and then each one gets a comedian added into the group just to fuck around and, you know, entertain.
I don't know if you're entertaining, but, you know, they just like to meet somebody.
And they have these cart bars that go around with the fucking hottest chicks you've ever seen in bikini tops.
And they pull up with hard liquor, beer, everything.
And they flirt.
And these guys, I play with guys that literally are crawling off the course when they're done.
They're so shit-faced.
And then you go to the dinner and they drink more.
And then you get up and tell jokes.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Try to make them laugh after that.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It's a riot.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, I always picture golfers, I always picture them like Ted Kennedy.
Like that kind of face.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Ruddy.
joe rogan
Big fucking overwhelmed tissue face.
Like so much inflammation.
Your skin is just running from your skull.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
It's melting.
joe rogan
He's a dignified older gentleman.
greg fitzsimmons
The spider veins.
Yeah, the front of the nose is just a giant vein.
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of those older guys that get that from the boozing, the heavy boozing.
That Newt Gingrich guy's got that shit going on there, too.
He's got that, uh, I have a couple of whiskeys a night look.
greg fitzsimmons
I used to caddy at a country club.
joe rogan
What the fuck was that like?
greg fitzsimmons
To work out.
I mean, a golf course is about six miles, and you've got two heavy-ass bags.
Back then, everybody had leather bags and extra golf balls in there.
So I'd have two of those.
I weighed about 125 pounds, and I would just, like a fucking mule, up and down hills.
And sometimes you'd get a loop.
Like, I had this one guy, and he goes...
He was a shit golfer.
And it took me all day to find his ball.
And then he hits one out of bounds, like over a fence into the woods.
And he goes, where's my ball?
I go, it went in the woods.
He goes, well, find it.
I go, you hit it.
You find it.
And the guy fired me on the spot.
And I didn't carry his bag.
I just put his bags down.
Fucking...
Walked in.
Dr. Angelilli.
Used to get shit-faced and then get into his car.
The parking tenants would tell me that they'd open the door and they'd have to help him in the car.
And then he'd have these little mint candies.
He'd put one in his mouth and then just fucking point in the right direction and go.
Every day.
Dude was like in his 80s.
joe rogan
There's people that are probably still doing that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
You know where it's going on right now?
The PCH. You ever go down the PCH? The one near Malibu?
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, is that a club?
joe rogan
No, the PCH. Pacific Coast Highway.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, right, right, right.
joe rogan
Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu is a very dangerous road.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's bar after bar after restaurant after bar after bar after bar after bar and then all these rich people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
All these people that can afford beach houses.
And then...
These people are going to these bars and restaurants and they're just driving.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're driving home.
Okay, everyone's driving drunk.
There's just a ton of drunk driving.
The guy who did Pulp Fiction with Quentin Tarantino, the other guy who was involved with it, what is his name?
Roger Avery?
Is that it?
He also wrote Killing Zoe and directed it, I think, which is a fucking awesome movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's a good movie.
joe rogan
He's supposedly a super genius guy, right?
Roger Avery, yeah.
He apparently was involved in a horrible drunk driving accident on the PCH. That's where the Mel Gibson incident happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Right there in Malibu.
joe rogan
I was at a restaurant once, and I saw this guy drive off drunk.
Him and his buddies were having a water fight, and he was hammered.
And he got into his car.
They were throwing water at each other, hammered, and got in his car.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I mean, the Valley parking attendants need to be responsible, because they can sue the restaurant.
joe rogan
I guess, but if you're a kid, and you're working there from college, and you see this fucking guy, what are you going to do?
He's probably some rich dude.
If you get mad at him for this...
Who knows how the restaurant's going to perceive it, if they're going to fire you.
They don't want the valets to step in and some guy throwing water.
Most likely it's easier to be like, he'll be fine.
Just let him get in that car.
The guy's like, that's what I would do if I was 20 years old and I was working there like these kids are.
I wouldn't tell this 50-year-old dude with a $10,000 watch on that he can't throw water, he can't get in his car.
I'd be scared.
I'd be like, this guy represents authority.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So you just let him go?
joe rogan
I just probably would let him go.
But I couldn't believe they were letting him go, you know?
There was a bunch of people around and people were getting upset because him and the guy were throwing water at each other and they were almost getting people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So people started getting upset.
So there was like this air of tension in the air and then the valet came and the guy got in his car and we were like, wow, should we stop that?
You know, should we stop that guy from getting in a car?
It's like a judgment call.
He might have just been an idiot.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you ever taken someone's keys?
joe rogan
No, I've advised people to not drink.
Or not drive, rather.
I've definitely done that.
But I have not taken anyone's keys.
I haven't had to.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I've seen some shit, man, especially when I was young.
God damn, I saw some people drive fucked up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
My dad.
I can remember my mom and dad fighting about her not wanting him to drive.
He'd be fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And I remember him driving us home one night.
My mom was screaming at him before we got in.
And then it was like a terror ride.
You know that painting, The Scream?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what I looked like in the side view mirror.
He was like going over curbs.
I was just like...
And we got home and I remember like...
We were crying.
We were little kids.
And I remember crying.
And I remember the next day he came down to the TV room and he apologized.
And he quit drinking for like maybe two months.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, even after two months he went back.
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah, he would quit.
He would go through that.
joe rogan
The grip of that fucking alcohol on some people.
Native Americans, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Grip on them.
See, I haven't had it fully explained to me because I've read it both ways.
I've read that there was some sort of a genetic propensity towards alcoholism that they had because the fact that alcohol was not normal to them.
It wasn't something they had in their diet all the time, so they didn't have the enzymes or whatever it was to break it down.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's the liver.
Their liver is different.
joe rogan
I've read that's bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I read that's bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
That it's just cultural.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know who's right.
It's hard, man.
It's undeniable that certain cultures, like ours, like the Irish, the Italians...
greg fitzsimmons
No doubt.
joe rogan
...have a lot of alcoholism.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Well, part of it is, I mean, if you think about it culturally, Italians and Irish are both Catholics.
There's a lot of repression.
There's a lot of shame.
And, you know, when that happens, I think people act out.
And I think they're...
You know, Italians have lived under fascism and the Catholic Church.
So, fucking, you need an escape.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Man.
greg fitzsimmons
So you can drink healthy.
I see you drink tequila sometimes.
You can handle it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can not do it.
I can not do it for long stretches of time.
It doesn't...
It's not something I need.
I enjoy it while it's happening, but I understand the pull, the biological pull that some people have.
I just don't have it.
greg fitzsimmons
Can you get drunk sometimes, like real drunk?
joe rogan
I try not to get real drunk, and the drunkest I've been in recent memory has been on this podcast.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, a couple of times.
greg fitzsimmons
Kreischer?
joe rogan
Well, no, Kreischer for sure in the past, but I did one recently with Hannibal, Hannibal Buress.
We got fucking lit.
We got lit to the point where my tongue started getting heavy.
It was hard to move around.
I had a struggle while I was trying to enter a word.
It was like I was doing...
You ever use one of those heavy jump ropes?
Like those jump ropes.
This is ridiculous.
Like jumping rope is hard enough.
Why do I have to have this fucking ship rope?
You know?
But they make these like really heavy ones.
That's what my tongue felt like.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
What a job.
Think about your job description.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.
greg fitzsimmons
Get high, drink, whatever.
Go for as long as you want.
joe rogan
Talk some shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Talk some shit.
So did Hannibal take an Uber home?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did.
Yeah, he took one here, took one home.
He's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he is funny.
joe rogan
And we went on to another podcast right afterwards, because my friend Josh Zeps came in to do his podcast from here with Sam Harris.
Do you know who Sam Harris is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Famed atheist slash neuroscientist.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Hannibal and Sam Harris had like this epic argument.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
While Hannibal was hammered.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
Oh, I gotta listen to that.
joe rogan
And I was hammered too, so I was trying to like, I was trying to chime in and I was so, the whole thing was so...
It was so not good.
Even my attempts were so clumsy.
My attempts to calm the situation down were so embarrassing.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's on Josh Zeps?
joe rogan
Yeah, it hasn't come out yet.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
joe rogan
I don't know what he's going to do, if he's even going to release it.
greg fitzsimmons
He's got to release it.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is Hannibal didn't know he was going to be drunk on a podcast talking to a neuroscientist about race issues.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, race issues.
joe rogan
And about cops shooting black people and statistics.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, the statistics...
I don't know if this is accurate.
I'm just knowing what I've read.
And I don't know what this means, but I'm just going to say it.
The statistics are, like, people would think that cops are more violent and they shoot more black people than white people, like per capita or percentage or whatever it is.
Apparently it's not true.
So they showed this study recently that shows that if you look at the overall...
Let's find out what those numbers are so we can talk about it and know exactly what we're saying.
Because this was the argument they were having.
greg fitzsimmons
In other words, white communities experience as many shootings from cops as black communities.
joe rogan
It's essentially damning towards what I've always said.
I think most people, almost 99% of the people are unqualified to be a cop.
I think it's an unbelievably difficult job.
I think cops shoot people all the time and they shouldn't shoot people.
And they're dealing with 300 million plus people in this one continent.
And we're looking at the stories of all these cops in all of these cities.
In all of these counties, in all these states, all over the country, you're dealing with a fucking mammoth amount of people.
It's just, because of the history of racism...
It's more disturbing to us to think that there's white cops that are targeting black kids, which they most certainly must be.
There most certainly must be some of them.
If you think of the amount of people we're talking about, there most likely is a racist or two amongst them, or who knows how many.
There's no denying that.
greg fitzsimmons
Or systemic racism in the department.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I feel like we're all on this heightened sense of like conflict because we're looking at the conflicts between Millions of fucking people and we're an individual and we're taking in these numbers these interactions million literally millions of people interacting with police officers every day It's way too much for our fucking brains, right?
So we start thinking Jesus the cops are killing black people everywhere well turns out They're just shooting people everywhere.
It's black people and white people.
It's just there's been some really damning videos of them doing it to black people.
And again, there's probably a lot of cops that are racist.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I have to see these stats because I haven't heard anything like that.
joe rogan
This is what it was.
jamie vernon
From the Washington Post, they got it.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Okay, let's look at the actual numbers.
Where are the actual numbers?
Okay.
The Post began its police shootings project in response to the 2014 killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, a death that triggered days of rioting, the assassination of two New York City police officers, and a surge of support for the Black Lives Matter protest movement.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
As of January 15th, the Post had documented 987 victims of fatal police shootings in 2015, about twice the number historically recorded by federal agencies.
Whites were 50% of those victims and blacks were 26%.
By comparison, whites are 62% of the US population and blacks are 13%.
The ensuing debate is largely centered on whether the disproportionate number of black deaths was a result of police racism or the relatively high rate of crime in black neighborhoods, which brings black men into more frequent and more fraught encounters with the police.
So it seems to me, just looking at those numbers right there, that it says whites were 50% of those victims and blacks were 26%.
Well, that's just, right away, there's way more white people than there are black people.
So that seems to me...
greg fitzsimmons
Right, but percentage-wise, the blacks are twice as likely.
If they're 13% of the population and 26% of the victims, they're double, and whites are 20%.
joe rogan
So it's proportionately...
greg fitzsimmons
Less likely.
joe rogan
So this is, in fact, kind of like disproving what you're saying.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
It's saying there is a trend.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But what they're saying is, is it sociological?
Is it the fact that blacks are living in dangerous neighborhoods the reason why there's more?
Which is totally logical.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's the argument that he should have made.
This is not the argument he made.
That's interesting, because I didn't know that that was what the statistics were, and I wish I knew that going into that conversation.
I obviously had no idea we were going to have this conversation, or I would have.
Huh.
That's interesting because that, you know, I mean, you can blame it on the neighborhood, you can blame it on crime-ridden communities, but if we're just going to go statistics to statistic, well, then they're right.
More black people are getting shot by cops.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But people are getting shot by cops.
Like, it's a lot.
There's a lot of fucking people getting shot.
greg fitzsimmons
Up 50% in 2015. What is that all about?
joe rogan
Dude, I don't know.
It's just terrifying.
greg fitzsimmons
It feels like this whole gun issue, it didn't used to be an issue.
You know that?
The NRA used to be like a hunting organization.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And people just owned guns and it wasn't a big deal.
And then they made it a political issue.
And now I feel like there's almost like gun coveting.
I think there's more people that are dangerous that are getting guns.
And I think the police are probably responding to that.
joe rogan
Well, that could definitely be the case.
I mean, there's also, when you look at guns, and this is one thing that I don't think we really consider that much.
There's a gun industry, okay, and they're manufacturing guns constantly.
And they're manufacturing them for civilians, and they can use them legally, and they can own them legally, and it's their right.
And people exercise that Second Amendment right.
And they have a lot of guns.
And this business keeps making guns.
And there's just a lot of guns.
greg fitzsimmons
Lot of guns.
joe rogan
At one point in time, we're going to have fucking guns all over the place.
I mean, the world's going to be safer because no one's going to be shooting people.
Because everyone's going to have a gun.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I think in America there's as many guns as there are people right now.
joe rogan
I think there's more.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I think there's more.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Find that out because I think it was one of those things where they were like the numbers switched over.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they broke the threshold.
joe rogan
The guns have outfucked us.
greg fitzsimmons
Now it's gonna be like everybody's gonna have the...
joe rogan
What is it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
It's about the same.
joe rogan
It's about the same?
jamie vernon
There are roughly twice as many guns per capita as there were in 1968. More than 300 million guns in all.
joe rogan
So it's basically the population, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
One for one.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
How many do you have?
joe rogan
I got a few.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I think about it.
joe rogan
You think about having one?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I feel mixed because, first of all, it would feel badass to have a gun.
I'll just say that right out there.
I can't believe you went there.
It would feel really fucking cool to hold some steel.
And I'd have a safe, and I'd put it in the safe.
And then it would feel good to know that if shit got really bad, that I'd be able to go out and kill the people that have the food and the water.
joe rogan
Wow.
Or yourself.
greg fitzsimmons
We're right!
joe rogan
Did you ever see that movie, The Road?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
I didn't see it.
And this is why I didn't see it, because I started watching it.
And early on, spoiler alert!
Early on in the movie, he was talking to his kid about how to kill yourself.
He was showing his kid how to put the gun in your mouth if someone's coming to get you.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Who's the star of it?
joe rogan
What's that dude's name?
Handsome fellow.
David Duchovny?
No.
No.
They're doing X-Files again, aren't they?
That's real, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Are they?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What's his name?
Could use the work.
joe rogan
Viggo Mortensen.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, he's fucking great.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm seeing that.
The road?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I love that you have a little yellow legal pad now for your guests.
joe rogan
I've had them for a while, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I've already got down Josh Zeps and the road.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wish I would go over these notes.
There's probably some gold in there.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you have notes?
joe rogan
I write shit all the time.
I write shit all the time, like in the middle of a podcast that I need to remember, and it never comes up.
greg fitzsimmons
See if there's anything good in there.
joe rogan
Dude, I can barely read my own handwriting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
joe rogan
It's becoming so that handwriting seems so stupid.
Like, oh, let me make my mark with the ink.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, texting is so much better.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you know what's weird is the schools are deciding to stop teaching cursive now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Which is a shame because cursive is much, much faster.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's goofy.
Too many people are goofy with it.
They'll give you one of these...
You're like, what the fuck is that word?
How the hell do I know what that word is?
You barely made any movement, you lazy fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you kind of keep sliding your hand as you're writing.
You can't leave it there.
joe rogan
That's why cursive ended, because people were fucking lazy.
Because lazy people would write you shit, and it was just this dribble of ups and downs.
Was that an N? Is it a U? It looks like a giant signature.
unidentified
It looks like a fucking EKG. It's so stupid.
joe rogan
It needs to go away.
I need to know what an A is.
Is that an A? Well, make it look like an A, you fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It can't be left to your interpretation of what an A should be.
greg fitzsimmons
If you make a T, cross it where the fucking T is.
Not near it.
Don't put the I over the L. Is there an I over an L? No, like, the dot should be above the stem of the I, but it's always at the letter next to it.
joe rogan
Right.
What about, like, does anybody ever put the i over the lowercase j?
Did they do that anymore?
Or do I make that up?
You're supposed to put an i, like a dot, over the lowercase j.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Does anybody do that?
greg fitzsimmons
I do.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
So if you're writing something by hand, you'd put a dot over the lowercase j?
greg fitzsimmons
Absolutely.
I mean, it's...
joe rogan
I barely knew you were supposed to do it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, I had to ask.
I was questioning it.
I knew it.
I'm pretty sure.
But I'm like, who does that?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
You gotta do it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
You're a stickler for that.
greg fitzsimmons
I just feel like maybe because I grew up Catholic and penmanship was actually a big deal.
joe rogan
Well, you're actually, people might not even know, you're an Emmy award-winning writer.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And that's how they give out the Emmys.
They look at your penmanship.
joe rogan
We do all the scripts by hand.
You actually are a writer.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta know how to put that dot there.
It's so weird when you look at Russian.
If you look at any...
I follow a lot of Russian athletes.
I follow their Instagram pages.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I look at the Russian...
unidentified
Mars.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
They might as well be from Mars.
What's up with all these fake letters you guys got?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like this jumble of...
How did this happen?
How are we so shitty at communicating that we let all these different styles of language exist to the point where none of us can...
It's like the Tower of Babel.
greg fitzsimmons
When do you think we will have one language?
joe rogan
It's a good question, man.
Look at all the weird shit they have, like that boomerang above the backwards N. Like, what the fuck is going on up there?
And how about the other one that looks like Red Dragons, like the Jason Ellis logo?
That's up there.
unidentified
And they have like a regular A and a regular P. What the fuck?
joe rogan
Can't we agree?
These assholes from the past.
unidentified
That looks like a dick.
greg fitzsimmons
The one in the middle on the right.
Oh, that's a vagina.
joe rogan
That's a little vagina.
That's a very excited, puffy one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's a 16-year-old girl.
joe rogan
Hey, no, no, no, it's a 19-year-old girl.
greg fitzsimmons
19, I mean.
joe rogan
It's a girl who's 19 and grew up in Europe, so they have a different attitude.
greg fitzsimmons
And they clearly shave.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that, I mean, how much more could have been done a long time ago if we all spoke one language?
That Tower of Babel shit, although obviously it's...
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, what's the Tower of Babel?
joe rogan
A story from the Bible.
greg fitzsimmons
Didn't read it.
joe rogan
How dare you?
greg fitzsimmons
I know, and I'm talking about what a Catholic I am.
unidentified
You're a Catholic!
joe rogan
I was a Catholic for a year.
The Tower of Babel is...
The whole thing about it was that there's all these different languages and that there was some...
Let's go to the actual official definition because I'm gonna fuck it up.
But that...
One of the ways to keep us from understanding each other was to give us so many different languages that we couldn't communicate with each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
What does this say?
What's the myth?
Find out where the myth is here, young Jeremy.
According to the story, a united humanity...
There it is.
A united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking in a single language and migrating from the East, came to the land...
Is it going any further?
No.
Okay.
Came to the land of Shinar?
Say that.
Shinar?
Shinar.
There they agreed to build a city and a tower tall enough to reach heaven.
Seeing this, God confounded their speech so that they could no longer understand each other and scattered them around the world.
So that's the idea of what...
I mean, it's basically an acknowledgement of how much could be accomplished if we could all speak the same language Wow, but we're all like so like this is my culture man.
I Like, this is my culture.
This is who I am.
You know?
I'm not abandoning this.
Like, we all have this, like, sense of...
I mean, it's kind of cool.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, Flemish.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like this...
What is that?
Uh, Hollands?
I don't know.
Well, I think it's the Netherlands.
Is that what it's called?
The Netherlands speak Flemish.
joe rogan
They speak Dutch.
Don't they speak Dutch?
greg fitzsimmons
No, the Dutch people speak Flemish.
unidentified
Oh, that's the...
greg fitzsimmons
And they live in the Netherlands.
joe rogan
Okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Which is also called Holland.
unidentified
Okay.
greg fitzsimmons
What the fuck?
joe rogan
There's a lot of different names.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Flemish, yep.
Gregory's correct.
The Dutch language spoken in Flanders.
One of the two official languages of Belgium.
greg fitzsimmons
Hmm.
joe rogan
Huh.
The people of Flanders.
greg fitzsimmons
And you know they have to speak three other languages because they got England next to them, they got France next to them, they got Germany.
But hold on a second.
joe rogan
That was confusing.
It says it's spoken in Flanders, one of the two official languages of Belgium, but that's Belgium is not Holland.
So what the fuck?
Did we screw it up?
I think we screwed it up.
greg fitzsimmons
Are the Dutch...
jamie vernon
It's a variety of Dutch.
joe rogan
Okay, here's another one.
Flemish, also called Flemish Dutch, Belgium Dutch, and or Southern Dutch, refers to the varieties of the Dutch language spoken in Flanders, the northern part of Belgium.
The term Flemish is used at least five ways.
It seems like it's all in Belgium, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
So what do people in Holland speak?
joe rogan
I think they speak Dutch.
The people in Holland, they're probably so mad at us now.
You fucking idiots.
We have to watch your stupid elections and you don't even know what language we speak.
The whole world knows that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are clawing each other's eyes out to become the president.
unidentified
And we don't know their language.
joe rogan
That's what they speak?
They speak Dutch and what is that one?
Frisian?
Frisian?
Papiamento?
Papiamento?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they...
Well, I've been to South Africa and they speak Dutch there.
And they've...
Yeah, they fucked up South Africa, man.
They came in hard to Dutch.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
It's so weird.
When you look at the pockets of white people, like when apartheid was kicking, you look at how bizarre that must have been.
These white racist people living in South Africa, surrounded by black people.
And they came over on boats, essentially.
They're like the last of one of those...
Colony, you know, expansion experiments.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They went to Africa.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
The British had already been there.
I think the French might have been there.
But the Dutch were the ones that came in and just fucking...
joe rogan
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Turned the screws.
joe rogan
Imagine if there was an Africa to Africa.
You know, we look at Africa, right?
And we go, wow, that's where civilization began.
Look, there's fucking lions and people are...
The Maasai warriors are running around with spears.
They have to kill a lion to be a man.
They're all dancing around the fire in Tanzania.
And you're like, wow, this is a window to a totally different world.
Africa in itself.
What if there was a place even fucking crazier than that?
If you pass Africa, the Africans went to the dark lands, and there's just monsters tearing each other apart left and right.
Nothing survives more than a few minutes.
unidentified
Everything's just fucking and killing, and it's just chaos.
greg fitzsimmons
Women bent in half eating their babies as they come out of the womb.
joe rogan
Yeah, and bandits dressed like human dumpsters with machine guns running around blowing each other up.
Everything's bulletproof and on fire.
And then Africa is like, I can't go over there.
It's too fucking crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
Those people are looking at the Africans and going like, wow, wow, they do castrations with swords.
That's actually kind of nice.
joe rogan
It's better than the rock we're using.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm.
There's this one episode of the show that I watched called Jim Shockey's Uncharted.
He's this guy who goes to all these different parts of the world and he's a professional hunter and he goes to these places and sometimes they eradicate like dangerous animals that are threatening villages.
And one of the episodes he went to this village, I don't remember what part of the Congo it was, but they have these giant saltwater crocodiles that eat people.
And while they were there, a woman got ate.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
While they were there filming, they took her away.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They took her out into the water, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Number one cause of death in Africa.
Crocodiles.
joe rogan
I thought it was hippos.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe you're right.
I was making it up anyway.
I think on this episode, your listeners should fact check, like, Flemish.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Number one cause of death in Africa.
Get back to me about...
joe rogan
And then the police, we were wrong about the statistics of police violence, too.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
joe rogan
Yeah, the alligator crocodile things, especially crocodiles, are way more aggressive.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and they're bigger.
joe rogan
Some of them are.
The American crocodiles are actually smaller than the American alligators.
American crocodiles are super aggressive though.
They're dog eaters.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that Florida?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a small population that's protected because we don't have enough monsters and we would like them to keep fucking.
Hey man, you don't understand the ecosystem.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding, folks.
Relax.
I'm not anti-crocodile, but it's kind of weird.
greg fitzsimmons
It's weird.
joe rogan
It's kind of weird that we want to keep those monsters around.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it's a shame because, well, you see what's happening to sharks.
They kill, I forget the numbers, it's something like three million sharks a year.
joe rogan
Yes, they do, right?
greg fitzsimmons
And it's like, that's fucking crazy.
And they're harmless animals to us.
There's like four deaths a year in the world from shark bite.
Why am I putting all these statistics out?
joe rogan
I don't think you're far off though.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think we found out once, but I don't remember what the number was.
It was less than 25 people die every year from sharks, right?
jamie vernon
I got caught up looking at something.
Buffalo supposedly reportedly kill as many people in Africa as hippos and crocodiles.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
greg fitzsimmons
Buffalo.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Cape Buffalo.
Those huge Cape Buffalo.
They call them the Black Death.
unidentified
Yeah?
joe rogan
Dude, they're terrifying.
greg fitzsimmons
They run in herds.
joe rogan
Well, look at what that looks like.
Scroll up a little bit there, Jimmy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking thing.
And they're super aggressive.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're fighting off lions all the time, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
The Widowmaker.
joe rogan
There's an incredible documentary called Relentless Enemies and it's about this one particular pride of lions that lives on an island in Africa where the rivers changed its course And it's stranded these islands from the rest of Africa.
These lions can't get out of this island.
And all they have to eat on this island are these giant fucking buffaloes.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So the lions themselves have grown huge.
And they've become super-sized lions.
Where females, like an adult female of one of these tribes, there's one particular tribe where they're enormous.
They look like the Hulk.
They don't even look like real lions.
Where the adult females are as large as a regular adult male in other prides.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so, see if you find that.
Relentless enemies, lion photos.
It's a fucking incredible documentary.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Because it just shows you, like, nature's gonna find a way.
Like, oh, all we can eat is buffalo?
Looks like we're gonna have to get a little bigger, boys.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they just got bigger.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the cats, the bigger cats stayed alive.
The bigger cats figured out how to do it.
And when they go after them, look at the size of that thing.
That's a female.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they're taking out these giant buffaloes.
Like, look at the size of these things.
unidentified
Sharp ass horns.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sharp ass horns.
See if you get some photos of the individual lions, like, so you get, well, there's a good, good photo of it, but just look up relentless enemies.
unidentified
That's what I did.
joe rogan
Oh, and then this was...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah, just lions.
There's some photos of them where they're in motion, where you've got to kind of get a sense of the real mass that they have.
greg fitzsimmons
I think I saw one of those buffaloes chase off a crocodile who was eating another species of animal.
joe rogan
Wow.
I would believe that.
Buffaloes are enormous animals.
You're talking about something that's like 2,000 plus pounds often.
I wonder what the biggest of the males grows to.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you been on safari?
Really?
joe rogan
I'm surprised.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Scared.
No shit.
Tom Poppo was just here.
He just got back.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
I just don't want to give my kids malaria medication.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
It's too young.
It's just too fucked up to require that.
And you've got to take it while you're over there.
greg fitzsimmons
You've got to take it every day, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, and then you've got to get a typhoid shot.
Well, go in the winter.
greg fitzsimmons
Go during their winter.
You don't have to do it then.
unidentified
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I went over there twice, but both times it was their winter, which is our summer, and you don't need malaria.
joe rogan
No kidding?
So you didn't do anything?
greg fitzsimmons
Nope.
joe rogan
Wow.
So you have malaria?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
Don't you see how small my...
Look at the headphones.
They're practically touching.
My head is so small.
joe rogan
I think that's Zika.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's Zika.
joe rogan
That's Zika stuff, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the big danger now is not the mosquitoes.
It's that it's a sexually transmitted disease, and they say its infection rate is about the same as AIDS was.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, there's areas in Miami now where they're thinking about, like, cordoning off blocks and shit, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Why?
Because they saw mosquitoes there?
joe rogan
Yeah, because they have so many cases of Zika.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
It's growing, too, because they don't have a vaccine and they say they're years away from a vaccine.
unidentified
Man...
joe rogan
It's just one day there's gonna be some insurmountable biological threat to people.
You know, one day, there's gonna be some dark wave that sweeps across the population, and then there's gonna be a rebuilding process.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
This has happened so many times, with so many different things, too.
Like, it doesn't necessarily...
And this is not something to freak out about, but just to put it in perspective, there's been so many fucking times...
Where something's happened, whether it's some gigantic event, like a super volcano, or diseases, or just giant chunks of the population just died.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, there's theories about it, that there's population control of stuff that's built in, and it can manifest itself as disease, natural disasters, or war.
But the population is kept in check.
joe rogan
I guess that's just the system that nature runs on.
It just finds a way to exploit any weakness.
If the numbers get too high, there's more weaknesses.
Nature finds a way, develops a strong attack, and it gets in there.
It's like this little fucking ping-pong math game that's going on constantly.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Adjustments, and then there's medicine.
A bunch of scientists are fucking shaking test tubes.
greg fitzsimmons
Racing against the disease all the time.
joe rogan
Goddamn, man.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, that's pressure.
That's a long day.
I mean, you think about people that work long hours.
When you're a scientist that's trying to break the code on a fucking vaccine, that could be, you know, like with Ebola when they were trying to figure something out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What happened to Ebola?
joe rogan
We got it.
greg fitzsimmons
We got it?
joe rogan
Yeah, we got it like they got Gaddafi.
unidentified
We got it.
greg fitzsimmons
You mean Bin Laden?
joe rogan
That too.
They got Qaddafi too.
greg fitzsimmons
Here we got Qaddafi.
joe rogan
The Qaddafi video is maybe the most disturbing video ever.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit!
joe rogan
You've never seen it?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
You're in for a treat.
greg fitzsimmons
The military released it?
joe rogan
You're in for a treat.
Oh, cell phone video got released immediately.
This is what happened.
The rebels overcame, and the United States backed rebels, right?
I don't know the full history of how it went down.
Do you know the full history?
greg fitzsimmons
I know that at one point we were happy about Gaddafi.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
So they have Gaddafi.
This is him dead.
But there's a video of him where they have him and they're yelling, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, and they've got him.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that him?
joe rogan
Yep.
And the rebels all have him and they're beating the fuck out of him.
And they start sticking things up his ass like swords.
They stick swords up his ass.
And they're stabbing him there.
See how they're stabbing him there?
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
I mean, they just showed a murder on TV right there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, back that up.
He was a bad dude.
Am I right?
It seems like that guy's stabbing him while he's there, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that looks like a Game of Thrones killing.
jamie vernon
I remember it was on Tosh.0 at one point, because they made a whole bit about Gaddafi-ing people, and there's a guy shoving a knife up his ass or something like that.
joe rogan
Yes, that's the video.
So it doesn't really look like the guy's stabbing him in that picture.
Now that I looked at it again, it looks like he's slamming his fist down on him.
Wow.
It's really grainy cell phone footage.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the one where they finally capture him, and they're holding up their cameras, and this is all, like, captured live.
I mean, they have him when they have him, and he's freaking the fuck out, and they're pulling his hair and beating the shit out of him, and kicking him, and then when he gets up, someone sticks a sword, like one of those waist swords, little short swords, like, right up his ass.
I guess it's a knife.
Big knife.
Is that what it was?
I don't remember.
I remember thinking, is that a stick or is that a knife?
And then someone said it's a knife.
greg fitzsimmons
It's amazing you got these guys, guys like Mugabe or Gaddafi, and they do so much cruelty and they come off as so tough.
And then you see them like this and they whimper and whine and beg like little bitches.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is really embarrassing if you think about that, right?
Like, look at this guy.
And this guy was a huge dictator that ran his country for a long time and killed a lot of people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that this is how it ends for him is actually kind of fitting, right?
greg fitzsimmons
It's great.
I mean, it happened with Saddam Hussein, you know?
joe rogan
What is it?
greg fitzsimmons
Hiding in a little cave.
joe rogan
It's fitting, right?
But isn't it fucked up?
It's fucked up that we like, that this appeals to us.
Like, if they captured him the way they captured Noriega, or the way they captured anybody else, and they brought him to trial in America and then put him in prison, would you feel any better?
greg fitzsimmons
Than him being beaten to death?
joe rogan
Do you feel better watching this?
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Like, were they just fucking him up?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I do.
And I don't believe in the death penalty, but in terms of how do I feel, like, consciously I don't believe in the death penalty because I think it's flawed.
I think the system that would execute somebody isn't perfect.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
greg fitzsimmons
But in a case like this where you know, I think that if he's being killed by the people that he's been subjugating, there's something very poetic about that.
joe rogan
I think there's a real problem with cases.
You know whether it's a murder case or whether it's any any kind of a case even like armed robbery a lot of there's There's a real problem when people are competing against each other, is what I'm trying to get to.
When you have a defense team that's competing against a prosecution team, and they're trying to win.
You see it all the time in business, where things are inflated, and these crazy arguments get made.
What are they trying to do?
They're trying to build up their side.
They're not trying to be as objective as possible.
They're not trying to go into it and say, Well, you know, as cops, we probably could have done a little bit better.
We probably could have been friendly as we walked up to them, and maybe they wouldn't have gotten defensive, and maybe we could have shaken hands and gone about our day and our lives, and our paths would have gone a different way.
But hey, hindsight's 20-20.
greg fitzsimmons
Learning experience.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Learning experience.
You don't ever hear that.
It's always like one hard line.
I approached the suspect.
He was moving in a very dangerous manner.
I saw the suspect reaching his pants.
I told him not to.
He did it again.
At this point, I took the safety off my weapon.
greg fitzsimmons
I discharged 32 times.
joe rogan
And you watch the video and that's not what happened at all.
Someone had a cell phone on it.
That's not what happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's not what happened.
greg fitzsimmons
That's true.
It's a weird system.
It's completely...
It's just conflict.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, the prosecutor, your job, guys are proud of the fact that, like, I don't know if you saw that Making of a Murderer documentary.
joe rogan
I saw some of it, and then I'm like, I can't get too involved in this.
I watched, like, two episodes.
I was like, this is just too, I don't want to get involved in these people's ridiculous lives.
greg fitzsimmons
But he was proud of how many convictions he'd had.
joe rogan
Of course.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, he was, like, undefeated or something in the county.
So that's not rotten.
I don't smell anything rotten there.
And the guys in Texas that put people to the death penalty, and that's like, they're at a bar that night having a champagne celebrating that he won his case.
And he sent the guy to the gas chamber.
It's a weird day.
joe rogan
We put down.
We put down today.
That's what they're called.
We put down.
greg fitzsimmons
We put down one of the bad guys.
joe rogan
We put down today.
Everybody knuckles up.
Knuckles.
Knuckles all around.
We put down today, boy.
We got a good one.
Good win for the good guys.
Clink.
Clink.
Budweiser gets sloshed.
Show up for work.
Foggy-eyed.
Do it again.
greg fitzsimmons
Put a notch in their Oxford loafers.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, they are dealing with a lot of scumbags and pieces of shit in a lot of ways.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
No, but going back to your point...
Their goal is not to discern the truth and illuminate what could be done better.
It's just to kill this guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, cops don't plant evidence and try to frame people because they're infallible and awesome and that's just the right thing to do.
No, they're doing what a dirty accountant does.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they're doing what a joke thief does.
They're doing what a guy who steals, in a lot of ways.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I love that you threw that in.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
What are they?
Rhythms?
Beats?
When they sue people for that shit?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know how I connected all those together.
I really had a point until you started laughing.
greg fitzsimmons
I just love that joke thieves kept running.
joe rogan
I was going to say, people suck at some things, you know?
And they suck at, you know, the gigantic responsibility that comes with being a police officer.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're not really qualified for that.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a politician.
Each one is a politician.
They're supposed to be on the ground, interacting with people, making connections, getting people to trust them, getting people to, like, follow their lead.
You know, like, I read about this one LAPD guy, and he started a...
A football team.
And it was a police football team.
And nobody would join because the community was so opposed to the cops that literally they were like, we got uniforms, we got helmets, we got fields, we got coaches.
We want to have a team.
You guys can play against other city teams.
Nobody.
And then this one guy started, he was a former player, cop now, and he reached out and slowly got one kid, two kids, finally got up to 11 kids, started training them, got to know the parents.
The other cops were helping out training, got to know the parents, and it opened up this whole community.
It changed the kids in South Central somewhere, and the whole neighborhood has great relations with the cops now.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it could be done, right?
It can be done.
There's just got to be a way, if you look at the overall picture, there's got to be a way to do it better than they're doing it right now.
Across the board.
Everything with managing communities.
It just seems like there's so much room for improvement.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Well, Obama just released 111 prisoners, and I think that the message that he's sending is like, we've got to get over this police state mentality.
joe rogan
I hope that's the message he's sending.
He released one guy that I had retweeted a petition to release him like a year ago.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was in jail for life for selling LSD. Oh, at a Grateful Dead concert.
Yeah, I read that.
Yeah, and Obama exonerated him.
He never should have gone to jail in the first place.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it was his third strike.
That's why I went.
But they gotta get rid of that third strike thing.
joe rogan
Yes.
And also, when you do as much acid as that guy does, do you think he remembers those first two strikes?
greg fitzsimmons
I need a miracle!
unidentified
Dude!
greg fitzsimmons
I'm holding!
joe rogan
Yeah, that three strikes thing is crazy.
It's so crazy.
I'm not for...
You know, encouraging people to continue fucking up.
But to think that the only way, like, if someone does three petty crimes, I mean, how many, how bad does a crime have to be?
Does it have to be a violent crime?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
That doesn't make sense with the Grateful Dead thing, unless somehow or another they think of selling drugs, they find some sneaky way to categorize that as violence.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, maybe if it's a, what do they call it, level one drug, or acid's probably like the highest level drug, so maybe that's a felony, whereas pot would be a misdemeanor.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Yeah, right?
I would wonder.
greg fitzsimmons
It doesn't sound like the other charges were violent.
I think all three were drug-related.
joe rogan
But isn't the thing about acid that you can get a whole lot of it in a very small pot?
Like package.
greg fitzsimmons
Sure.
joe rogan
Like you can get a whole lot of hits and you can carry it on you.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like books of stamps.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that's a lot of people are getting fucked up off that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I think that's problematic to people.
I think they get super nervous about that.
McKenna had some speech that he did about that once.
About how someone in a regular apartment with a bathtub can make enough acid to get a million people blasted.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Think of the quality control there.
One guy's getting triple the amount of another guy.
joe rogan
This is another great analogy that someone said.
I wish I remember who.
But they said that acid, like in the molecule form, the molecular form, it's so potent.
It is literally like watching an ant dissolve the Empire State Building.
Like something as small as an ant, like build or dissolve or take...
Like you're talking about...
I should probably know if it's build or dissolve, right?
I think it might be build.
But the idea being that there's so much power in such a small molecule, in such a small amount.
greg fitzsimmons
That's amazing.
joe rogan
You need the tiniest dose, like a blip, blip.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're...
unidentified
Fucking crazy.
joe rogan
I talked to a dude who did 25 hits of acid in one setting.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
Did you fuck him up?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know what he was like before then.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seemed okay.
greg fitzsimmons
I knew a couple guys that changed.
Changed.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
greg fitzsimmons
Just lost their edge, man.
You know, just had that kind of slightly vacant stare all the time.
That's why I never took acid.
I've taken everything, but I've never taken acid.
joe rogan
It definitely seems like it has the potential to do that.
And I think some people just go super deep, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
What is this?
unidentified
Stick.
joe rogan
Okay, here it is.
Following analogy, on a molecular level, the power of LSD is equivalent to a fire ant that can completely tear down the Empire State Building in under 30 minutes.
Yeah, so that's what it was.
I was right the first time.
greg fitzsimmons
Jesus.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
A fire ant that could take down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes.
greg fitzsimmons
What is it?
How did they make it?
joe rogan
It's a really good question, and I don't know the answer to that.
I know who figured it out.
You know the story of Albert Hoffman, the guy who was creating?
I think he was trying to come up with a women's fertility drug.
I believe that was the original thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that right?
joe rogan
I think so, if I remember correctly.
I think that's where it came from.
greg fitzsimmons
But then they used it for all different kinds successfully.
joe rogan
He got it on his hands.
Like, dude, he was the guinea pig.
He got it on his hands in the lab.
He didn't know what the fuck he was touching.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it got into his skin through his hands.
I'm pretty sure that's the story.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he went riding home on his bike, tripping his balls off, thinking about the world in a whole new way, looking at life in a whole different way, and going, wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's where acid was born.
And then he went back to it and he did a bunch of different experiments with it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, I mean UCLA, Columbia University.
joe rogan
Some that didn't go so good.
greg fitzsimmons
Berkeley.
Well, yeah, but I think some of those were staged by the government.
joe rogan
Do you know who was involved in one of the Harvard acid studies?
greg fitzsimmons
Harvard?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Timothy Leary?
joe rogan
Ted Kaczynski.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Ted Kaczynski was a part of one of those acid studies.
They blew that guy's brains out.
And then he went to Berkeley and worked as a professor for a short period of time just to get enough money to implement his manifesto, to move into that cabin in the woods and start killing people who are creating technology.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he lost his fucking mind.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He really did believe- I mean, he might have been crazy before then.
Who knows?
But you know the story about the Unabomber that his brother recognized the manifesto as his own brother's kind of fucking crazy writing.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's how he got caught?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
His brother recognized the patterns and he recognized that the person writing it had to be very smart and also very crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
What a moment to think I've got to turn my brother in.
joe rogan
He was probably terrified.
He had this brother that was capable of killing people.
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder if he knew it before then.
joe rogan
I bet he did.
When your brother just moves to the woods in a shack, he starts writing things with no spaces.
greg fitzsimmons
Cursive.
joe rogan
Yeah, just book after book.
I need another notebook.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
What are you writing?
I'm writing everything.
I'm writing everything.
I'm documenting it all.
greg fitzsimmons
Everything that's wrong.
joe rogan
How to make it right.
greg fitzsimmons
You think acid has done more good or more bad overall?
joe rogan
Probably more good, but there's always going to be room.
Like booze.
We were talking about booze.
Some people can enjoy a fun glass of wine and not have another drink for a month and everyone's fine.
Some people, it's one shot and they're off to the races.
One shot goes down the hole.
The lids come down over the eye.
Clank.
greg fitzsimmons
Clank.
joe rogan
Those drunk lids?
You know when you're like, where's Greg?
Greg in there?
I've never seen you drunk.
Because when I met you, it was right when you were quitting.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
My mom tried to get me drunk in Italy.
She pulled out some limoncella, you know that lemon liqueur in Italy?
And she fucking pours a shot for all of us, including my 13-year-old daughter.
And my mom is crazy.
You know, meanwhile, I told you about my father.
You think she'd have some awareness?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
She can't stand the fact that I quit drinking.
joe rogan
Weren't you just telling me a story about your mom and gambling?
greg fitzsimmons
She's a gambler.
joe rogan
Are you telling me a crazy casino story?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, she goes, she plays poker two different nights a week with all guys.
And she does good.
And so her and her sister go, and they go to these slot machines in Yonkers.
And they go down there, and my aunt goes, she's got more of a problem than my mother.
And she wins a flat-screen TV. But her husband doesn't know that she gambles.
She's forbidden to gamble, because she's got this problem.
So he's home one day, and a guy knocks at the door, and he's like, we got the delivery?
He's like, what is it?
He goes...
62-inch TV. Where do you want it?
He's like, we didn't order a TV. No, no, you won it.
What do you mean we won it?
At the Yonkers Raceway Casino, you won this.
So she had to come home and explain to her husband why there was a flat-screen TV. She won it on the slots.
It was like the grand prize.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
And then she got run down one time by a guy who had just won, broke her hip in the aisle of the slots.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Wrong place at the wrong time.
Guy won, got excited.
joe rogan
And just ran her over?
greg fitzsimmons
Just ran down the...
Oh my god.
Yelling and screaming, yeah.
joe rogan
And just smashed her to the ground?
greg fitzsimmons
Smashed her to the ground.
She was in a wheelchair.
You know, it's all because of gambling.
joe rogan
God damn.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How'd that get resolved?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, God, I don't know.
I wonder if there was a lawsuit.
joe rogan
Well, it's like, for him, it's like, I win all this money, and then it's gone.
greg fitzsimmons
You're right.
joe rogan
Like, right there, in one movement.
She's going to sue him for sure.
greg fitzsimmons
She said, just give me the bag, let's walk away.
joe rogan
Do you think she sued him?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
I mean, it doesn't seem like her nature to sue, but at the same time, the insurance company might make her.
Because once you get medical bills, your insurance company immediately goes, well, we're not paying these, you've got to sue the other person.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, if your dog bites somebody, you're going to get sued by their insurance company.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it totally makes sense.
But a guy running over you like that...
That's so awful, man.
You're an older woman and some big fucking stupid dude runs you over.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck, man.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's one thing if you're like, you know, maybe you were helping out down at the homeless shelter.
Somebody ran you over.
But you're gambling.
You're just working the fucking one-armed bandit.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck, man?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I don't gamble anymore.
It's just so predictable.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
If you look an hour down the line, it's predictable.
But if you look 10 minutes down the line, it's exciting.
joe rogan
Well, it's a little drug dispensary.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're getting your highs and your lows.
You're getting your anticipation.
You're getting your reward.
greg fitzsimmons
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, you're going to get your defeat.
You're going to, God damn it, you're going to be frustrated.
You want a lot of smoke.
Oh, the lady's coming over with the booze.
Yeah, double.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Give me a double, please.
Thank you.
Thank you.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like you're getting one stroke of your dick every, like, three minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Not a full handjob.
Just a soft stroke.
Down, pulling the foreskin over the crown just a little bit as she releases.
And then she walks away for three minutes and comes back.
joe rogan
And then you've got this weird relationship with this dealer dude.
Well, this guy's either giving you money or taking money away from you, and he's like, hey, it's just my job.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
Just my job.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
He touches money all day, and they barely pay him.
The guy's making $15 an hour when he's dealing with thousands of dollars.
joe rogan
How much do they make?
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's a union gig.
joe rogan
They get tips, right?
That's a big part.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know if they pool tips.
I think they probably pool their tips.
joe rogan
They pool them.
All the people together?
That doesn't make sense.
That would seem like...
Does that make sense?
jamie vernon
Is that how they do it?
If you're one of the eight people working in an hour or whatever during your shift, however they do it, and you're at the hot table and your table makes 25,000 in tips...
Just because you circumstantially were there, just because of the schedule, the routine, just the shift cycle, now you made a year's money and everybody else you're working with got zero.
They're all going to be pissed at you.
joe rogan
How long have you been a communist?
jamie vernon
I have a friend that did it.
I have a friend that did it in Columbus, so I know that's how it works.
greg fitzsimmons
So they shouldn't try?
They shouldn't be charming?
joe rogan
No, it totally makes sense.
greg fitzsimmons
Some of them just, you know, they're so over it.
And you can tell it's like a typical union job.
And I love unions.
I'm all about fixing the fucking unions.
I know they're a problem.
I know they don't work.
But, like, you see that?
It's like a flight attendant or a dealer.
When they're over it, it's like you gotta just put them out to pasture.
You can't keep them working in your business when they don't smile, they don't interact, their energy is negative.
Get them the fuck out.
It's bad for business.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's bad for business.
Yeah.
It's, man, what can you do, though?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's seniority.
That's the problem.
You're getting the oldest, most tired people working.
That's why I like a new airline.
You know, you go to Virgin.
joe rogan
Virgin's great.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they got hot, young, beautiful flight attendants.
joe rogan
After a while, people just don't want to work anymore, man.
I think people work too much, and I think they work too long.
You know?
I think that's part of the problem.
greg fitzsimmons
When did you become a communist?
joe rogan
Today.
Right after Jamie made sense.
Jamie made sense with the tips.
I'm like, he's right.
I don't stick to my ideas, folks.
Call it flip-flopping.
I'm not married to these motherfuckers.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's why this is, you know, this is an open dialogue.
We're here to change and grow.
joe rogan
Yes.
Trying to change and grow.
greg fitzsimmons
Trying to learn some information?
joe rogan
I talked about this yesterday, but Neil deGrasse Tyson had this great Twitter quote that said, there should be an option in this presidential election for, and all presidential elections, I think he said, for none of the above.
And then if none of the above wins, we have to start all over again with new people.
greg fitzsimmons
I like it.
That would definitely be the case this time.
joe rogan
That's actually a really good idea.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a really good idea.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
None of the above requires a congressional re-examination of the election process.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the potential candidates and what makes them qualified.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
We do it live on television.
There's long discussions for days and days and days, like on C-SPAN. Remember those?
You ever watch C-SPAN? Just watch people argue about shit?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
You ever watch that?
It's interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's interesting to see how the courts work and everything's so formal.
And I guess you have to have these really clear rules when you're all talking.
The gentleman has five minutes to address...
Whenever you have anything formal.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the Senate has rules because when it was first created, it was the Southerners and they were genteel.
So to this day, when I'm talking to another member, you never say you.
You're not allowed to say you to somebody.
You say the senior senator from Wisconsin said...
And they say, if you want to insult somebody, you're not allowed to.
But you can say, my most learned, esteemed colleague from Massachusetts, which is a way of shitting on the guy.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
greg fitzsimmons
But they have to talk third person about each other.
joe rogan
Wow.
Those are bizarre rules, huh?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know what's really kind of sad but fascinating at the same time?
Do you know who was really good at those speeches?
greg fitzsimmons
Tom Herrera?
joe rogan
Anthony Weiner.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, the best.
joe rogan
He was great.
greg fitzsimmons
He was a great politician.
I like his policies.
joe rogan
He's just too much of a freak.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, he's a good looking guy.
You gotta put that shit out there.
joe rogan
Think he's good looking?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
No, not really.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Which makes respect to me more for some reason.
He's a fascinating character.
Because I almost think to be that kind of firebrand, you almost got to be horny.
greg fitzsimmons
Right!
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
He's like a rally of the troops.
He would get super passionate and give really good speeches.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
It's like, God damn.
And I remember people thinking, this motherfucker is a real politician.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't trust a politician that's not fucking somebody on the side.
joe rogan
Let me hear this.
unidentified
We want debate, we want amendment, but we're still a no!
And then we stand up and say, oh, if only we had a different process, we'd vote yes.
You vote yes if you believe yes.
You vote in favor of something, you believe it's the right thing.
If you believe it's the wrong thing, you vote no.
We are following a procedure.
I will not yield to the gentlemen, and the gentlemen will observe regular order.
The gentlemen will observe regular order.
That's correct.
See how he won't say him or you?
It's Republicans wrapping their arms around Republicans rather than doing the right thing on behalf of the heroes.
It is a shame!
A shame!
If you believe this is a bad idea to provide health care, then vote no!
But don't give me the cowardly view that, oh, if it was a different procedure, the gentleman will observe regular order and sit down!
I will not!
joe rogan
Yes!
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
The only thing missing is fucking.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
The word fucking in between every phrase.
Because that's what he's saying.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
greg fitzsimmons
You're going to sit the fuck down!
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just too crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
This is a fiery guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Fiery, horny, passionate.
Look at the JFK, Johnson, and Clinton.
joe rogan
I would argue that you never see a politician that hits that level of emotion.
That's incredibly rare.
What he's doing there is very theatrical, which is what they've always said, that politicians are just ugly actors.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's like show business for people who aren't that good looking.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's kind of, in a way, what it is.
And they don't really have a talent, although Bill Clinton did play the saxophone.
unidentified
Remember that?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that was before he was president, right?
Wasn't it?
When he went on Arsenio Hall?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Wasn't he running?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I think he was...
Oh, he was running.
That's right, because they say it got him the black vote.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Listen, another one.
He's another perfect example.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
And he was an animal.
unidentified
Loved it.
joe rogan
That's why these people are doing, that's why they want to be a leader.
It's almost like we want to deny our very nature.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we almost want to pretend that people like that, like these crazy, fiery people that get everybody rallied up, that there's not other things that go with that package.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But he went, of course, way over the top.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Took pictures of his kid next to his dick.
Did you see that?
greg fitzsimmons
That was fucking weird.
joe rogan
Dude, he's weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's definitely got a tick.
greg fitzsimmons
It's so sad for the wife because he just, you know, she forgave him.
She took him back.
He said he was going to go to his classes and do all this shit.
And then, you know, it's humiliating the first time.
It's pitiful the second time.
joe rogan
It's hard out there for a pimp.
greg fitzsimmons
Shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
I'm sure it is humiliating.
I'm sure it is...
I mean, it's just the whole thing's crazy in the first place that he has this compulsion to just chat with girls online like that and send dick pictures and stuff.
For him, it's so fun.
It's obviously so fun.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's beyond insane that his last name is Wiener.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's almost like we're living in a movie.
If this was in a Judd Apatow movie, you'd be like, why is that so obvious?
Come on, his name is Weiner.
What am I, 13?
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
His name is Dick Weiner.
joe rogan
Boy, he's so weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But people are weird, man.
People are fucking weird.
They're so weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, if you want to be that...
I mean, it's kind of a thing in life.
It's like, how passionate do you allow yourself to be?
Because there's a loss of control that goes with getting that passionate.
And when you go for it, that's when you end up, you know, maybe having an affair or maybe killing somebody because you're just fucking letting your id run wild.
But that's where sometimes great creativity comes from.
Which is why you get so many great artists and directors that end up, you know, Woody Allen fucking his daughter and, you know, Roman Polanski.
You know, you just think of all the truly creative people.
They do fucked up things because they're just putting themselves out there.
joe rogan
Well, also because a lot of what makes them want to be whatever it is in the first place, whether it's an actor or a famous person or a singer or Kelly or any of these people, to want to be out there that much.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the ego.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's got to be some madness involved in that, usually.
And a lot of it involves your childhood and how you were wired growing up or what you were missing that led you to push so hard.
Everybody that I know, you included, that's hilarious, had some crazy fucking life growing up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, where it was like, you know, when you tell me the story about your parents chain smoking in the house while you were just locked in the winter with the windows closed and you're like a baby.
greg fitzsimmons
And I had asthma.
I had an inhaler.
joe rogan
Fucking crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
You had your jet smoking in the car with your kid who has an asthma inhaler in his pocket.
joe rogan
No, I can't.
No, I can't.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
I can't.
greg fitzsimmons
The fuck?
We used to give them for presents.
Do you remember this in art class?
You'd get shells and you'd paint the shells like little clam shells.
You ever do that?
And you paint them and you glaze them and bake them.
And then we'd give them to my parents and they'd use them as ashtrays.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
It was like putting a cigarette out in your little heart.
Here's what I think of those three hours you spent in art class.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
See, that's a poll that's an undeniable one, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Smoking?
joe rogan
The cigarette one?
That seems like everybody gets that one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like the alcohol pull, it's like some people get it, some people don't.
Some people can drink a little and not drink for a while.
Cigarettes, it seems like almost everybody who gets into it gets stuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It seems like it's got a, like if you were looking at it as a jujitsu artist, it's got a very high rate of finishes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like there's certain guys that get into certain positions like, ooh, you might be fucked.
Like, there's this guy Damien Maio fights in the UFC, strangles everybody.
And he's just one of those guys when he gets on your back, you're like, ooh, you probably fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got a very high rate of finishing.
And that's like if you're smoking cigarettes for three months.
greg fitzsimmons
Gets you in a headlock.
joe rogan
If you're smoking cigarettes every day for three months, come on.
Let's be honest.
greg fitzsimmons
No, it's chemical.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I mean, they say that it's tougher than a heroin addiction.
joe rogan
I can imagine.
I really could.
I really could imagine.
I've heard people argue back and forth about the heroin thing.
I had this guy, Dr. Carl Hart, on my podcast.
And it was actually being discussed recently on the message board, which is why I'm bringing it up, where they were saying that he's not correct.
Because he says he's actually experimented with a bunch of drugs himself.
He's pretty open about it.
But he's also...
A brilliant academic who writes books.
He's an addiction specialist.
And he's like, there's so much misinformation when it comes to heroin withdrawal.
He goes, it's like being sick.
It's like you have the flu.
That's literally what it's like.
He's like, that's the physical embodiment of all the symptoms.
They're very flu-like, and then they go away.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's more psychological and there's so much more going on about this sort of dependency on this substance.
It's not just like a physical dependency.
There's a bunch of other factors that sort of can't be denied or ignored and they all play in together.
But then other people on my message board were saying, no, you're so wrong.
I tried to kick heroin.
It was unbelievably hard.
My body was in shock.
And then another dude who said that all he did was get on a plane and go somewhere where he knew he couldn't get heroin for a while.
Yeah.
And that's how he kicked it.
He said, fuck it, I'm just not going to do this anymore.
And he said it was only like a few days of feeling like a flu.
I don't know who the fuck is right, and I also don't know, again, if it's the same for everybody.
It's like the alcohol thing.
It's like all these different things.
greg fitzsimmons
Totally.
Some people have addictive behaviors, personalities, but...
I think the problem is, is just because you kicked the drug, you're now back to square one.
And square one was, I need drugs.
You may not be addicted, but you still didn't do the work necessary to rebuild your foundation and to not have dependency issues.
So now you're at a weakened state because you've just had the flu, and you need to start going to meetings, being disciplined, you know, whatever it takes to, if it's talk therapy or exercise, whatever it is that makes you write, You need to transition into that immediately.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And most people don't.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you ever smoke?
joe rogan
I smoked a cigarette or two with my sister when I was like 15 and she was 14. Like we moved into this new neighborhood and hung out with the local toughs.
greg fitzsimmons
Hey, Joey!
joe rogan
And we went to the bridge.
We went down to the bridge.
There's this place near my house called Echo Bridge.
It was actually right across the street from my house when I was growing up.
And you could get under the bridge and you could yell and it echoes in this crazy way.
It's in Newton, Upper Falls, Massachusetts.
And we'd go down there and sing Billy Squire songs.
unidentified
Lonely is the night when you find yourself alone.
joe rogan
And it was all, you know, people feeling each other up and drinking beers.
They snuck out of their dad's kitchen.
greg fitzsimmons
Probably the best times of your life.
joe rogan
Very strange times, man.
Very strange times.
greg fitzsimmons
It doesn't get much better than that, sadly.
joe rogan
Well, it was all very interesting.
And then there was a kid who was a little bit older than us that we knew that we were hanging out.
That's it.
It's right by the Charles River.
That's where I grew up.
greg fitzsimmons
You're doing a good job today.
joe rogan
Jamie's on the ball, son.
But there's a kid who was in my neighborhood who killed somebody drunk driving, killed his best friend while we were all in high school together.
greg fitzsimmons
Leaving Echo Bridge?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
But it was that kind of thing.
You know, it was like everybody was partying.
People were going, like, that's all anybody wanted to do.
It's like everybody's going to parties.
You know, Mikey's having a party this weekend.
You're going, Donnie's got a party.
We're going to go, hey, we've got to find a place to party.
And there was, this is like the state caveman days.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, we're talking about like the 1980s.
People were cavemen.
No one had phones.
There was no, there was, most people didn't even have a fucking answering machine.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, basic cable.
You had like three channels.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
So people would just wind up getting drunk.
And there are kids, and a lot of them drove home drunk.
And I tried really hard not to, but I'm sure I probably did it at least two or three times.
When I was a teenager, I drove to the point where I definitely shouldn't have been driving.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I... Drunk drove fucking three nights a week, like severely drunk.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, luckily I wasn't drinking that much because it was like right when I had just started to transition into getting into martial arts.
And from then on, I pretty much stopped partying totally.
But it coincided with this dude around the same time.
I'm not sure like numbers wise I might be off by a year or two but it was around that area where I was realizing that there was a lot of us they're like doing a really irresponsible dangerous shit like driving drunk and and being drunk all the time going to these parties and having fun and I'm like this is like someone's gonna drown someone's gonna fall off a roof some shit's gonna go down yeah and then this dude I guess he hit a tree or something like that and killed his best friend Did he survive?
Yeah, he survived.
greg fitzsimmons
What a thing to live with.
joe rogan
And we were all like, oh shit.
And the cops actually broke it to him that way.
You killed your best friend.
That's what they said when he was coming out of the unconsciousness in the hospital.
That's how they explained it to him.
You killed your best friend.
Like, what?
greg fitzsimmons
Jesus.
joe rogan
Just probably blitzed.
You know, and also probably, if I had to guess, I think he was a little older than me.
I might have been like 17 at the time, so he was 18. 18, it's done.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's over, kid.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
joe rogan
Maybe I have it wrong, 16, 17. But it was somewhere in that range of he's a young guy who's just starting to drive, and now all of a sudden his friend's dead, and he's got that mark on him for the rest of his life.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I remember thinking, alright, fuck drinking.
Fuck all this.
Fuck pot.
I didn't want to have nothing to do with anything, anything that was going to ruin my life.
I'm like, you can really ruin your life and other people's lives and the loved ones of those other people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
A lot of narrow escapes.
You know, I think about those situations.
It's true.
There's a ripple effect.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You can change whole communities with one action.
joe rogan
Yep.
greg fitzsimmons
I had a buddy growing up, and he was a bad alcoholic.
I used to take him to AA meetings, and people tried to do interventions, and he was just really, really chemically bad.
He was a Jekyll and Hyde personality.
You know, when he was sober, he was the greatest guy in the world, loved hanging out with him, and he'd get drunk and he'd try to fight me.
It's crazy.
And so one night he was driving.
He had his girlfriend in the car.
And they got into a fight.
And so he left her.
She got out of the car.
And then he got on the highway.
But then he stopped to go back and get her.
So he got back on the highway going the opposite direction.
And hit a car head on.
And killed the two people and died.
And it was like the town still, it's like his family is so intertwined in my town that it was like a, they're almost like a political party.
They're so, you know, part of it.
joe rogan
Well, you think about Ted Kennedy.
I don't know why today's Ted Kennedy Day.
I keep bringing him up.
But that Chappaquiddick thing, the Chappaquiddick Bridge where he was drunk and his car went into the water and his girlfriend drowned.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he didn't report it until like hours later.
greg fitzsimmons
Next morning, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But with him, I got the sense that he'd been driving drunk every fucking night.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Kopinski.
joe rogan
You don't get that face.
Mary Jo Kopinski.
unidentified
Is that it?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Man, we always remember that when we were kids.
There it is.
greg fitzsimmons
He just fucking left.
Later!
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's so dark.
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder if he could have saved her.
joe rogan
He just went off the bridge.
Drunk as fuck off the bridge and she drowns.
That's something he had to carry with him, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Or not.
Some people carry stuff more than others.
I mean, he continued to drink.
That wasn't his bottom-out point.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He might have drank to forget.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Something like that.
greg fitzsimmons
He had a lot to forget.
He had two brothers that were assassinated.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Another one who died flying a plane in World War II? Yeah.
Joe?
joe rogan
And he lived to see his nephew die flying his plane.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Remember that?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was another weird one.
greg fitzsimmons
That was weird.
joe rogan
He misjudged the ocean.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Was he fully licensed at the time?
joe rogan
I don't know.
greg fitzsimmons
I think he might have been, but he should have had more hours for what time of night he was flying in the distance or something.
joe rogan
Wasn't he flying in fog as well?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
His wife was a friend of mine from BU. Really?
Carolyn Bessette.
Yeah, we were friends with her.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Second most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life.
joe rogan
Other than your wife.
greg fitzsimmons
Thank you.
joe rogan
Well done.
greg fitzsimmons
Thanks.
joe rogan
I like how you did that.
greg fitzsimmons
Gorgeous woman.
Like, lit up a party.
Green eyes, tall, just fucking striking.
joe rogan
Fuck flying your own plane, bro.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
I mean, it feels like it might be a lot of fucking fun.
I've never done it.
unidentified
It'd be a lot of fun.
Have you done it?
joe rogan
I have been in other people's planes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
When I was in high school, I had a kid who I was real good friends with when I was like 14, and his dad...
Was I even 14?
Why am I rambling?
His dad was like a big-time hunter and fisherman, and he would fly around.
Actually, I think he was a poacher, in fact.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he was missing an eye.
He was a very strange guy, yeah.
And we would go camping with this dude, and he would be outside in Maine, and it was like zero degrees out, and he'd be out there in his underwear, in his long underwear.
He didn't give a fuck.
It's like he had ice water in his veins.
It would be so cold out.
This guy would be just standing around talking to people with a t-shirt on.
He just didn't give a fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Was he fat?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bitch tits.
Fat gut.
greg fitzsimmons
Only fat people could stand out in the cold like that.
joe rogan
He was like an old school sort of survivor type dude in a lot of ways.
He was a guy who could stay in the woods and live in the woods.
And he had a plane.
One of those little...
One of those little shitty prop planes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And like you'd see on one of those Mountain Men episodes, the guys are flying over the woods by themselves.
greg fitzsimmons
They're wood, yeah.
joe rogan
He had one of those.
And his son was learning how to take lessons, so I went up with him.
So we were like, you know, we were fucking kids.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like really young.
And he's flying around this goddamn airplane with an instructor, but me, him, and an instructor.
greg fitzsimmons
Was it scary?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
You're like, this thing's a piece of shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
I mean, this is like a bush plane.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like barely held together.
It's like a lot of people's cars.
You know, you get in some people's cars, you're like, all right, I hope we make it.
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
And in that case, maybe you coast onto the shoulder if things don't go well.
joe rogan
Like, if you're friends with a comic and they give you a ride, like, hey, you going to the improv?
Can I go with you?
Yeah, sure.
And you get in a car and it's an 86 Buick.
You're like, we might not make it there.
Like, as we're moving along, we've got to realize this might not work out.
greg fitzsimmons
I kind of miss that feeling.
unidentified
Do you?
greg fitzsimmons
You know, I had AAA and I fucking used it.
I think you got three pickups a year and I just always remember going over my three-ride maximum.
joe rogan
I'll tell you this, I do think that the character building aspects of driving in a place where your car could break down or get stuck in the snow and the ice that we experienced when we were kids, I think there's something that I really benefited from that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've benefited from being scared of the weather for a while.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, and understanding, like, okay, if you drive out there tonight, there's fucking four inches of snow on the ground, they haven't done any plowing, you're gonna run into some black ice too, because you know it was raining before it was snowing, before it got cold enough to snow.
Okay, we're going to do this?
Nobody has to do that in California.
You don't ever have to go out and wonder whether or not you're going to stay on the road.
That was a real issue when we were kids.
Can you keep your car on the road?
greg fitzsimmons
Whether you put chains on it.
joe rogan
I never did chains.
Did you do chains?
greg fitzsimmons
When I was in Boston, I did some gigs where I used chains.
There was that hotel, the Balsams Hotel.
I don't think they would have booked you.
joe rogan
Is that the one where they kicked you out?
You were swearing, they kicked you out, they made you drive home where the moose were on the road?
greg fitzsimmons
I drove four and a half hours up to Maine to go to this fucking hotel.
And they tell you, it's like the nicest hotel in New England.
It's 150 years old.
It's like The Shining.
It's huge.
And I drive up there like four and a half hours.
And I get there and they go, all right, listen...
Do 20 minutes and just please don't say fuck.
So I walk on stage and I go, well, they told me I can't say fuck tonight.
And I say fuck about 10 times.
And I checked into my room and unpacked.
I got off stage.
My bag was packed.
And they're like, you're out of here.
Now it's fucking midnight.
And I mean, you know Maine black out at night.
I mean, there is no fucking light at all.
And just moose, deer, fucking constant wildlife on this little two-lane road for hours.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it was brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah, that road from like, is it Portland to Bangor?
What's the first stop when you go across the border into Maine?
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's...
joe rogan
Portland's the most close city.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but there's one that's a little bit closer.
Something Bridge.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah.
But anyway, we would go across that, and then you would go from this one stop all the way to Bangor.
It was one exit, and it was 60 miles.
It was a long stretch.
It's probably like 60 miles, right?
I'm not exaggerating, am I? I don't think I am.
greg fitzsimmons
No, we didn't think about that with those gigs.
We never thought about how far it was.
We just thought about date to write in my calendar.
That's it.
You got a date, I got an open, I'm fucking there.
I don't care where it is.
Never a hotel!
That Balsam's thing was like the only gig you got that we stayed in a hotel.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Right?
joe rogan
I did a few for...
There was a couple people that booked gigs.
Oh, it was Norm LaFoe.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, and Sherry...
joe rogan
Yeah, and Sherry Hirsch used to have a bunch of them.
But Norm LaFoe had one, I believe it was in Maine.
And it was actually a pretty good gig.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then, remember, there were so many people that booked gigs.
Bill Downs was booking gigs.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
The Comedy Connection, the old Comedy Connection was booking gigs.
Boston Comedy was booking gigs.
greg fitzsimmons
Barry Katz.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was a lot of different people that realized...
greg fitzsimmons
Dick Daugherty.
joe rogan
Dick Daugherty booked a lot of gigs.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They realized that they can make money just by setting up these comedy nights in these bars.
And so we would travel all over New England doing these things.
But some of those gigs, like the Bangor one, would take you to these places where if you weren't a comedian, what are the odds you're just going to go drive up there one day?
You're going to leave Boston and take a three and a half hour drive up through the wilderness on these little tiny ass roads in January.
greg fitzsimmons
I know!
And no fucking GPS. No.
We had a map and a prayer, you know, and it was like, you know, you never knew if you booked the gig, if it was more than three months out, there was a 50% chance the gig was canceled.
joe rogan
I never booked anything that far out, I don't think.
greg fitzsimmons
No?
joe rogan
I wasn't that desirable.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
I was getting gigs.
greg fitzsimmons
You were the filling guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was getting gigs.
If I got a good gig, it was like, you know, two weeks out or something like that was the maximum.
greg fitzsimmons
But there was the gigs that were like the fucking...
joe rogan
Death gigs.
greg fitzsimmons
The death gig.
Giggles.
I know they loved you early on, right?
Didn't they used to headline you early on?
joe rogan
That was Mike Clark.
Giggles is Mike Clark.
And Mike Clark was like, kid, you gotta clean it up, Rogan.
It was really funny.
greg fitzsimmons
This is Lenny Clark's brother, by the way.
joe rogan
Who's dirty and one of the best comics from Boston ever.
Lenny Clark is a monster.
And just dirty, partier, you know, just an animal, right?
greg fitzsimmons
They used to do cocaine every night for a decade.
joe rogan
Oh, at least.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The second time I ever got paid to work, I worked for Norm LaFoe.
And I worked at Jay's in Pittsfield.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you remember Pittsfield?
joe rogan
Pittsfield's another place.
You drive way out there.
And I got off stage.
I opened for Lenny.
I got off stage and Mike was like, look, I'd like to use you, but you gotta clean it up.
And that fucking Madonna bit.
I mean, it's funny, Joe, but you gotta clean it up.
You can't.
And then Lenny came off stage.
Don't listen to him, kid.
greg fitzsimmons
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
I laughed my balls off.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
When you were talking about the colored kid, fucking shopping that bit up.
joe rogan
Shopping.
Shopping that bit up, Fitzsimmons.
greg fitzsimmons
I love it.
I love it.
joe rogan
Fitzy.
Fitzdog.
greg fitzsimmons
Fitzdog, I'm going to take you down the cape.
joe rogan
How many Fitzies did we know?
greg fitzsimmons
Dave Fitzgerald.
joe rogan
Yeah, but in Boston in general, there's so many Fitzies.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
A lot of Fitzies.
joe rogan
I grew up with Fitzies.
There were so many goddamn Fitzies.
Hey, Fitzy's coming.
Which one?
Which Fitzy?
greg fitzsimmons
Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, Fitzsimmons, Fitzsimons.
joe rogan
There's a Fitzsimons?
Did you make that one up?
greg fitzsimmons
No, Fitzsimons is the original Irish spelling of it.
And then when he came to the U.S., they added another M. Oh, wow.
I don't know why.
joe rogan
It's an Irish-heavy community, man.
Boston's so still to this day, so Irish-heavy.
It's always interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
And the police force, all fucking Irish.
joe rogan
Cops, firemen, a lot of Irish in the fire department.
greg fitzsimmons
Politicians.
joe rogan
It's also, you have different flavors on the East Coast that you don't get a lot on the West Coast, like Puerto Ricans.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, Puerto Ricans in New York, they add a very real flavor.
greg fitzsimmons
Absolutely.
joe rogan
There's like a flavor.
greg fitzsimmons
They got flair.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
They got style.
joe rogan
We have the Mexican, like, influence over here on the West Coast, which is like a little bit more laid back.
greg fitzsimmons
Very laid back, very, like, when you hear Trump talk about criminals and shit from Mexico, I'm like, that's diametrically the opposite of how I picture Mexicans.
joe rogan
Look, man, there's criminals everywhere, but I find that Mexican people that I meet, especially in America, down to earth, easy to hang out with, is very common.
greg fitzsimmons
Family-first.
joe rogan
Family-oriented, very common.
Friendly.
greg fitzsimmons
Hard-working.
joe rogan
Hard-working.
greg fitzsimmons
Good sense of humor.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not a bad group of people by any stretch of the imagination.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like what the Republicans say they want.
Christian families that stay together and work hard.
You got them.
joe rogan
Yeah, Mexicans.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, they're brown, though.
I mean, it's really like they're from over there.
It's so stupid.
It's so fucking stupid.
I mean, Ted Cruz is, first of all, his last name is Latino, and he's born in fucking Canada.
And for a guy like that to be against immigration is so hilarious.
Like, look at your name, you fuck!
Look at where you were born, dummy.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, Rubio is anti-immigration as well.
joe rogan
They're all crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, what about fucking Trump, who's got two wives that were...
One was questionable about her legality with her green card.
He could potentially be married to a woman who is guilty of illegal immigration.
joe rogan
Um, she's hot.
Who cares?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, she is hot.
joe rogan
That's all that matters.
greg fitzsimmons
She's still hot.
joe rogan
She's hot enough, dude.
She's got the Willy Waka golden ticket.
And it's between our legs.
And she gets in.
Nobody's going to deny a girl looks like that a green card.
Why would you not let her in?
greg fitzsimmons
And she does the foreplay herself.
Like, he just says 10 minutes, and she gets a little oil, takes a hot tub, gets a finger going down.
Not hard.
She doesn't penetrate.
joe rogan
Gentle.
Just works the outside.
Candles?
greg fitzsimmons
Candles.
joe rogan
Kenny G music?
Or is that just my one?
unidentified
No.
Little soft sacks.
greg fitzsimmons
God, she's ridiculously hot.
And those are real tits, apparently.
joe rogan
Well, who gives a fuck?
greg fitzsimmons
I do.
joe rogan
But you're not gonna touch them, so who cares?
greg fitzsimmons
Because the top just has that little softness to it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God, she's gorgeous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's fucking beautiful.
greg fitzsimmons
You know her story?
She, like, grew up in a fucking farm in, uh...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how you gotta get them.
greg fitzsimmons
Where was it?
The Ukraine?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Where was she born?
Or was it Romania?
joe rogan
Finland.
Holland.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
She's Flemish.
greg fitzsimmons
She's Flemish after he fucking throws a hot thick one in her neck.
joe rogan
She's from...
greg fitzsimmons
Slovenia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So she was dirt poor.
And, you know, she entered some beauty contest and she got seen.
They started sending her on commercials and all of a sudden they sent her to New York and she fucking was booking work.
And the Donalds are...
And a party, and she was with a guy, and he was with a girl, and he made his move.
joe rogan
Did he?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the kind of guy you want running president.
greg fitzsimmons
That's it.
Guy who can close!
joe rogan
It's the guy you got.
It's the guy you got.
That's what you need, folks.
A man who can close.
Close deals!
Trump.
Trump's your man.
Period.
Just show him his story.
Animated.
That's the commercial.
Him taking the girl.
Going upstairs.
Let's just go for it, folks.
Let's see.
Him.
He doesn't even take his boxer shorts off.
They're wrapped around his ankles.
He's got expensive gold-tipped socks on.
And he probably keeps his dress shirt on mostly while he's just railing her from behind.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it says, Trump.
He closes deals.
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
It's just an animated video.
greg fitzsimmons
She's got a laptop on her back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's just banging the shit out of her and doing stocks.
And tweeting at Rosie O'Donald.
You fat pig.
You loser, Rosie.
Sad.
greg fitzsimmons
She has to remind him he's fucking her.
Donald, couple more.
joe rogan
Donald, I am down here.
I'm down here to receive dick.
greg fitzsimmons
I work on my pussy all day for you.
joe rogan
I squeeze, I squeeze.
greg fitzsimmons
I primp, I shave, I perfume.
joe rogan
I'm here to make juice.
I'm here to squeeze.
And make juice.
We're going to go to jail.
That's the president's wife.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
That's a real possibility.
I mean, I'm not sure if it's the wrong one either.
The one thing that I like about Trump becoming president is the one thing that I like is that it throws the whole fucking golf fucking food cart just...
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just chucks it over.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Figure this mess out.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And they've got to figure out a way to come up with a candidate that makes sense to people.
greg fitzsimmons
It already has, though.
I think the GOP knew after Obama got elected twice, the GOP knew that they needed the black vote, the Latino vote, they needed to come more to the center, and they didn't.
And so Trump happened.
And now you've got to think that Trump is like the real slap in the face they didn't receive after the black guy won twice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
They know they've got to lighten up on some of these social issues like abortion, gay marriage.
They've got to let it the fuck go and not worry about bathrooms with a girl and a boy's back.
Shut the fuck up!
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
That's why it's moving to immigration.
Immigration is one that taps those primal fears of invaders.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's not a real issue.
Right.
joe rogan
Invaders moved into my neighborhood.
They're taking jobs.
greg fitzsimmons
And they're raping.
joe rogan
They take all the fruit off the trees.
The trees are barren.
unidentified
The invaders have come.
greg fitzsimmons
They're taking all the good jobs.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing too.
I feel like these are the last holdouts to the inevitable conclusion that borders are retarded.
We can't have borders anymore.
If we all want to pretend to be even, we all want to be like, we all want to be like kind.
We want Holland to treat Finland the same way.
We want Japan to treat China.
But everybody just treat everybody like they would if we were one gigantic community.
Well, you're never going to have that if you have these places where you can't go in, and you can't get out, and they can hold you.
Like, you can't just cross the border, and you have to go to this place, and they check your bags.
Like, what are we doing?
Like, what are we doing?
What are these, like, whoa, this side, we've done a better job of managing resources, and we're not going to pick up the slack for those brownies.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
Those brownies with their El Cucaracha music, drinking that tequila down south of the border.
We're going to put up a wall!
unidentified
They had the same opportunities as us and they squandered them, squandered!
joe rogan
For right now, that makes sense.
I understand the impulse to do that right now.
I understand if you're the person who doesn't want your house broken into or you're the rich guy who lives really close to San Diego and you're like, fuck that, keep them over there.
I get the sentiment, but when you look at it, if you take yourself out of the picture and you look at the overall picture of human beings on the planet, inevitably those things are going away.
This is only a matter of time.
greg fitzsimmons
Tower of Babel!
joe rogan
I was in Seattle the other day and I used this lens thing on phones.
Have you ever done this?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Where you can take your phone and you hold it up And you can hold it up to an image that has writing on it, and it translates it on your phone.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I used it in Italy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
It's amazing.
It's incredible.
It reads it.
joe rogan
The photo gets read by your phone.
greg fitzsimmons
It'll read a fucking menu.
You could put up a menu in Italian, and it'll tell you what the entrees are.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Dude.
It's incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
I mean, how long before there's something where when someone talks...
It's immediately translating it in real time back to you.
You just put an iPhone ear thing on.
What's that?
You say they have it?
They have it already?
Of course they have it.
If a fucking moron like me comes up with it, like, hey, how about you do this?
We've been working on it for 10 years!
greg fitzsimmons
We have a startup!
Here's my test if something's good.
joe rogan
Elon Musk is involved!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
In your device that translates foreign languages in real time.
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
This gadget company...
greg fitzsimmons
That's crazy!
joe rogan
...comprises two earpieces that easily fit into your ears.
That is fucking amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
God damn!
joe rogan
So when people are talking...
greg fitzsimmons
It's $129!
unidentified
That's it!
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, what's that called?
I'm fucking buying one tomorrow.
So I can understand what my kids are saying about me in Spanish.
joe rogan
It's called Waverly?
Something Waverly?
greg fitzsimmons
Waverly Labs.
jamie vernon
The company that made it Waverly Labs.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
I'm on that shit.
joe rogan
Goddamn, this is an amazing time to be alive when it comes to this stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
But here's the thing.
All of these things in theory should bring us together and break down barriers.
Look at Brexit.
They tried to pull together and they fucking, you know, Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
greg fitzsimmons
Doesn't end well.
joe rogan
I need to talk to my friend Steve Hilton.
I've had him on the podcast before.
greg fitzsimmons
Like the Hilton Hotels?
joe rogan
Well, no.
He's a politician from England.
He was for a while.
He was David Cameron's right-hand man.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
And now he runs this thing over in America.
He runs a startup called CrowdPak, Well, you kind of can find out what the candidates stand for.
You put in what you stand for.
unidentified
I heard about this, and it tells you what candidate you should vote for.
joe rogan
Yeah, what candidate best represents your positions and these things.
But he actually thinks that the Brexit thing is a good idea.
I haven't talked to him about it.
Yeah, but...
I know that's what his opinion is, and I would like to hear it.
I want to know what that...
Because I don't have an opinion.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't either.
joe rogan
I understand that they don't want people to be able to immigrate freely all throughout Europe and come to the UK. That's where England had an issue.
And I understand that some people think it's racist.
But I don't know enough of it to have an opinion.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's a populist movement.
I think it got a lot of energy from the wrong people, and the focus was on the wrong parts of it.
But economically, I mean, the pound dropped in value, or the euro dropped in value when they pulled out.
And, you know, a lot of countries said they're not going to do business with England for a while.
They're going to punish them.
joe rogan
See, but this is what I'm saying.
If you look at what we're talking about when we're talking about borders, that's essentially like a dissolving of borders.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
That's essentially what they're saying.
Like, we're just going to start saying these borders don't mean anything.
You can move to wherever the fuck you want, just pop back and forth from each one of these countries in Europe.
We're a union.
Like the United States, in a lot of ways.
And really, probably, how much bigger...
Who's bigger?
All of Europe and the European Union or the continental United States?
What's bigger physically?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, Russia's got a ton of fucking land, but a lot of it's just ice.
joe rogan
Right, but is Russia considered Europe?
No.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it?
joe rogan
Asia.
Russia's Asia.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
See, we're learning.
joe rogan
You didn't know that?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I thought it was part of Europe.
joe rogan
Dare you, racist.
You're so lucky they're white.
Because you could be ignorant about them and no one gives a shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Lucky I'm white.
joe rogan
Well, you know what I mean?
Because Russians are white.
You can't be called a racist.
How big is the United States compared to Europe?
The United States is 9,161,923 kilometers.
Europe is 3 million.
So we're 788. So yeah, we're three times larger.
Yeah.
I mean, close to it at least.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
Two and a half times the size of the European Union.
Okay, but either way, we're talking about two fairly large countries.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm still reeling from the fact that Russia's not in Europe.
I can't fucking believe that I'm this old, and I've been to college, and I don't know that.
joe rogan
Well, do you know the story of the Mongols?
People now listening to this are going, no!
No more Mongols!
greg fitzsimmons
No more!
I read the Genghis Khan biography.
It's one of the greatest fucking books of all time.
joe rogan
Do me a favor, and everybody who hasn't heard of this before, do me a favor.
Listen to Dan Carlin's hardcore history series called The Wrath of the Khan.
It is fucking epic.
It's five episodes.
It's a mind-blowing story.
But Dan Carlin covers it like it's a masterpiece.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a masterpiece.
It's five episodes on Genghis Khan and his family and all the crazy shit that they did.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
The crazy shit was how much they conquered.
I don't know if they were the biggest conquerors in history, but European Russia.
joe rogan
Okay.
Russia is a European...
Okay, the question is, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, located in Asia.
A larger part of its huge landmass is located in what is Asia, while more Russians live in the country's European part.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, so it's both.
jamie vernon
Hmm.
greg fitzsimmons
Alright, so we can agree or disagree.
jamie vernon
Moscow's on the far western part of it, I believe.
joe rogan
So Moscow's the European part?
jamie vernon
Yeah, close to that, and then the rest of it's the Asian.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
Interesting.
So, is that all that, so I don't know that much about the globe, even though I do know the Earth is flat because I go on YouTube.
Have you been paying attention to that?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Oh, you don't know.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
You don't know.
You don't know.
There's a fucking enormous group of people in America in 2016 that think the Earth is flat and that it is a big conspiracy.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
There's tons of videos on it.
There are tons of videos on how satellites are not real, but they're planes in low Earth orbit.
They just keep flying around, transmitting data.
They're just constantly flying these planes around, lying about there being satellites.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what it is?
It's like hipsters that are dressing like they're from the 1800s and cooking like they're from the 1800s.
And now they're going to go back to scientific beliefs from the 19th century.
joe rogan
Wow, look at how it's all connected.
Back up a little bit there, young Jamie.
Look how China just sort of rolls into Europe like that.
And that's why...
When you look at all the different kinds of languages that exist in that one area.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
It's a ton of languages, and it used to be a ton of currencies.
I remember traveling around Europe.
I had a backpack for six months when I was 18, and I just hopped around.
And my biggest nightmare was change going from Belgium to fucking Holland to London to France every day You had more money than you would spent so now you got these Franks you can't fucking use So you've already paid a commission to get your money into French Franks now You got to pay money to convert it to you know pounds so you're getting double whacked on every transition and It was fucking huge pain in the ass God All I was trying to do was get laid.
joe rogan
And so then they switched over to the Euro.
It made everything way easier.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But now that England bailed, no more European Union, so no more Euro either.
greg fitzsimmons
No, the...
joe rogan
They're going to keep using the Euro?
greg fitzsimmons
The EEC is going to continue on.
They're just not going to have England as part of it.
joe rogan
But I'm saying no more Euro in England.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I don't think England ever converted.
I think they stayed with the pound all this time.
Yeah.
They were always half in on this shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We are better than you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We're not sure if we want you joining.
greg fitzsimmons
We've got these lovely pictures of an inbred queen on our five quid note.
joe rogan
We've thought it over and decided to just let you two sort it out on your own.
We'll be over here in England.
Thank you.
greg fitzsimmons
We're going to have a little tea while you all fucking...
They're fucked for a while.
Everybody hates them.
joe rogan
Are you going to address your fundamentalist problem?
Yes or no?
greg fitzsimmons
We will no longer be backing up your socialist program.
joe rogan
But one day, it's going to be what it is, right?
One day, they're going to figure out how to get the whole thing and make it one.
Might not be in our lifetime.
Might be a hundred years from now where they abandon the idea of...
That's the only way things are going to be fair.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
Because one way things are not fair, if you live in a really shitty country, if you're really a war-torn part of the world or something like that, you're not allowed to just move anywhere you want.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because everybody would just live in Miami.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
They would just all go...
They'd just go to the good spot and they would just overwhelm that bitch.
Right.
You know, they'd just fucking float on over and Miami would just be like a crazy market.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It would just be chickens running through the streets and people playing music in their underwear.
Way more extreme than it is now.
greg fitzsimmons
Shoulder to shoulder on the beach.
joe rogan
You'd never get anywhere.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It'd be like Rio.
joe rogan
But like Kansas would be like...
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Tumbleweez.
greg fitzsimmons
Until global warming kicks in then everybody's heading up to the fucking Midwest.
joe rogan
I wonder.
Well, that's sort of how it's always been.
I'm not excusing people.
It's one thing that I think gets lost in this whole climate change debate.
Climate change, for the record, I think is definitely real, and I think it's definitely being affected by human beings and pollution and what we're doing to the environment.
I don't think that's deniable.
But, I think that said, we should also look at, forget about what people have done.
I think just we should also be aware that this fucking thing changes.
And there's ice ages back when people were knocking sticks together and hoping to start a fire and still created an ice age.
Had nothing to do with people.
The thing fluctuates.
It gets weird.
And you can go through periods where North America is covered in a mile-high sheet of ice like was the case 10,000 years ago.
That's hard for people to get in their heads.
10,000 years ago, we weren't doing anything as far as cars.
There was no hairspray.
We weren't shitting on the earth at all.
And there was a mile-high sheet of ice that covered most of North America.
That's the Great Lakes.
That's all those flatlands.
Those were plowed over by giant glaciers that just smushed the earth.
That was 10,000 years ago.
There's statues from 10,000 years ago.
There's shit in Turkey that they've discovered that's 3,000 years older than that.
So during that time, without people doing anything, it's changed radically.
So I'm not exonerating people, but I'm saying there's a real fucking stupid part of this global warming climate change issue is that it's become some sort of an ideological debate between the left and the right.
The left who blame everything on people and the right who say it's all bullshit.
Or some of them say it's all bullshit or offer solutions that really don't take into account the environment.
The reality is this fucking planet is volatile.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Once again, it's become a debate where one side has to negate the other side for their truth to be the only truth.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah, well that does happen with people, man.
We get super rigid in not just an opinion, but in a side.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
In a side you take.
I think we have to be, whoever's right or whoever's wrong about global warming, we have to fucking wake up as to how much resources we have left and how quickly we burn in them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there was just something about China, one area of China that's dangerously close to having its oceans ecosystem completely collapse due to overfishing.
They're like, yeah, because you think about what the ocean is, right?
Let's turn the ocean into, instead of this gigantic mass of water, let's just have a tank the size of this room.
And all these little fish in here are fucking making new fish.
And then we throw in a few little tiny boats with scoopers in them.
And they just scoop around and scoop fish up.
Just scoop fish up.
And hopefully scoop fish up In enough time that gives the remaining fish time to fuck and make more fish, and then they scoop fish up, and then they scoop fish up, and they keep doing this.
How long can you do that before there's no more fish?
Well, it turns out it's about 50, 60 years.
And where they are at right now is there's some places that are collapsing.
They're like, wow, there's no more fish.
greg fitzsimmons
Because it's not just the fish you're catching.
It's the ones that feed on them.
joe rogan
Well, it's not only that.
It's like there's no sustainability plan in a lot of parts of the world.
Just suck out as much as you can.
Fuck the world.
And just do it because that's how you make a profit.
And they're just international waters.
There's like all this weird debate about how you can control people fishing and what you can do.
They have a hard enough time, like Sea Shepherd has a hard enough time catching people killing whales.
Do you know how they're getting away with killing whales?
greg fitzsimmons
How?
joe rogan
They pretend that it's scientific research.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, because every country's allotted 20 whales a year or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, so these boats go out and they slaughter whales for scientific research and then they sell their bodies.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a loophole that allows them to profit still off killing whales.
You could never do that if a whale was a land creature in North America where it was this beautiful thing that walked by and went...
And we knew there was only a few of them left.
Like, wow, keep that thing alive.
How cool it is.
They never hurt people.
They only eat plants.
greg fitzsimmons
No, look what happened to the orcas at SeaWorld.
People are boycotting the park because a couple of them died.
joe rogan
And they should.
greg fitzsimmons
Because they were on land.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, one of them tried to kill themselves.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
One of them beached themselves.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, one of them came out of the container and laid on the ground, tried to kill itself.
It makes sense, man.
They're supposed to be smart.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's tough because the ocean doesn't have...
I mean, you go back to borders, at least if you've got a border around a piece of ocean, you can say, we can save our piece of the ocean.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
But if China does that, there's ripple effects, and eventually it affects all the oceans.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't tell people where to go unless they have guns.
If they come over in a battleship, right, that's when you can tell them, hey, fuckface.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But if, like, a fishing boat, you'd probably get pretty close.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they must have, like, waters that are designated...
For international fishing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah there is.
jamie vernon
I was looking up part of the problem with the marine life and whatnot, and I got to this article that says that they're doing land reclamation, which is also destroying what things.
They're adding new islands in an area in between different countries where they already have islands, which is breaking some international water laws, which is what you guys were just talking about.
The United Nations is mad at them for doing this because it sounds like it's kind of blocking off area that should be open for anybody to navigate.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
So they're closing off channels.
jamie vernon
For various reasons.
joe rogan
And they're calling it land reclamation?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
I was trying to find out what they were doing with it.
joe rogan
Don't they have enough land?
greg fitzsimmons
How do you make an island?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
jamie vernon
Like you have a barge and you just shoot sand until it comes up.
joe rogan
You just keep pumping, just probably throw all your poo.
We have to deal with a billion people's poo.
What should we do with it?
Let's just make an island.
greg fitzsimmons
Let's make mushroom island.
joe rogan
Just fucking stack it up.
greg fitzsimmons
You know the fucking magic mushrooms we've thrown out of there.
joe rogan
Have you seen that one in Dubai?
Yeah.
There's a series of islands.
There's two of them.
One of them that looks like the earth.
Like, all the continents.
Look at that.
greg fitzsimmons
Are they floating, or are those grounded?
joe rogan
No, well, they're grounded, but they built them up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, you know, I mean, it's so cocky.
Any fucking change.
See, they have a seawall around them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
And see how the seawall has, like, those little vents where water can come in and water can come out, but it'll stop, like, a giant surge.
So it allows water to escape so they don't get overwhelmed.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
It's really interesting, the design, but most people think it's not going to work.
greg fitzsimmons
Mother's gonna take it back.
joe rogan
Mother's gonna take it all back.
greg fitzsimmons
What have you done down here?
joe rogan
Mother's gonna go, I think I want to clean today.
greg fitzsimmons
You give me that seawall.
joe rogan
She's just pulling out Bentleys and Gucci bags and Jimmy Choo shoes.
greg fitzsimmons
Jay-Z's doing a concert there.
He's dead.
joe rogan
Sucks them into her water.
Let's try again.
Take you down to the raw molecules and try again.
greg fitzsimmons
They just suck sand from one part of the ocean and blast it into another.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Scroll down so I can read what it says.
It says this added 144 miles of shoreline to Dubai.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
144 miles of sand.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, talk about the ecosystem.
They're just sucking sand.
There's living things in that sand at the bottom of the ocean.
joe rogan
Um, whatever.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude!
joe rogan
It is really weird how much money they have.
I mean, Dubai is like a fascinating exercise in what you can do if you have all the money.
greg fitzsimmons
And no class.
joe rogan
How dare you?
greg fitzsimmons
It's like the Vegas of countries.
joe rogan
The Vegas of countries.
That is hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Whenever I see a young kid in a Ferrari driving down Beverly late at night, La Cienega, those little clubs, all I think is Dubai.
This guy's got a credit card from his dad in Dubai, and he's just tearing it up, going to clubs and just fucking throwing down a credit card for endless bottles of champagne.
joe rogan
There is one guy I saw at, there's a Beverly Hills Hotel, I forget which one it was, but I went to dinner there, and they had these cars that were from Saudi Arabia, with Saudi Arabian plates.
They either fly them over here, or they ship them over here.
And it's apparently the sign of like a super baller, is that you keep your Saudi Arabian license plates on your Bugatti Veyron as you drive around Beverly Hills.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
So you're driving around Beverly Hills in a car that costs over a million dollars.
A million dollars.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you have these plates that are not legal at all.
And no one says shit to you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's obvious that you're some prince or some sultan type dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Bill Burr has a video up on YouTube about he was in Paris.
And there's a big thing there of guys from the Middle East flying their cars in.
Exactly what you're talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And there's like a convention of them.
And it's blocks and blocks of million-dollar cars, and it costs $50,000 to ship it over.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And they'll bring over three or four cars each.
joe rogan
Wow, that's super baller stuff.
Yeah.
But isn't that one of those things where it always accelerates?
Like, everything continues to accelerate.
Like, what made you a super baller in 1996 does not make you a super baller in 2016. You've got to get on that next level shit.
And that next level shit, if you're a guy from Abu Dhabi or Dubai, is every year I fly back To California.
And I spend the summer there.
I don't want to be here for the summer.
So I fly my Bugatti.
I fly my Ferrari.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And just have some baller pad in Beverly Hills.
And all you just do is cum all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You're just shooting loads.
greg fitzsimmons
And the bitches show up.
They smell the loads.
unidentified
They smell the jewelry.
joe rogan
The Veyron.
Well, if you're a girl and you are...
unidentified
What's a nice way to put it?
greg fitzsimmons
Loose morally.
joe rogan
If you are okay with doing sexual things for money, if you can get a lot of money out of a gentleman, that's the kind of gentleman you would want to get, because that guy could give you a million dollars and he wouldn't even notice it.
greg fitzsimmons
Doesn't even think about it.
Some of these guys will put you up in an apartment just for when they're back in town.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Solid.
joe rogan
It's also super baller, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Super baller.
joe rogan
Three cars flying in on a plane.
He's getting his feet done the entire time.
Smoking a vape pen with sunglasses on.
He's getting a pedicure on the plane.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And just setting it up.
He's got a phone on the plane.
You can have phones on planes.
Remember?
We used to always have phones on planes.
greg fitzsimmons
Did we?
joe rogan
Yes!
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
You could use it.
It cost $100 or something ridiculous.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
You can call people.
Remember that?
It was in between your seats.
It was super common.
greg fitzsimmons
He's calling three people in Hollywood.
That's all he's got to do.
One gets the bitches.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
One gets his place prepped.
And it's all set up for him.
He just shows up.
Yeah.
They tell him which cool bar he's got to go to, which restaurant.
He's tipping everybody $100 bills.
joe rogan
He probably has a nickname for himself, like the Raptor.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Calls people up.
The raptor is in the air.
Prepare yourself.
Here he is.
Look at him.
Oh my god, I called this guy.
This is the guy I called.
He's got a gold and...
What kind of gun is that?
It says, Rich Kids of Dubai.
So this kid's got some gold-plated automatic rifle.
He's sucking on, is that a vape pen or a hookah?
greg fitzsimmons
Looks like a hookah.
jamie vernon
That's the hookah.
joe rogan
The gun is the hookah?
Oh my god, you're right.
Oh, so it's not a real gun.
Of course it's not.
So that's his hookah, and he's on a plane.
So he's smoking a hookah on a plane, or is that a limo?
It's a limo.
That's a car door next to his leg.
I thought it was an actual plane.
But I mean, that's him.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, you talk to him?
joe rogan
No, no.
I make this guy up, and he's real.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I made him up, but he exists.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Rich Kids of Dubai.
I didn't know that that was an Instagram page.
jamie vernon
It's not a super popular.
It's the Rich Kids of Beverly Hills or whatever.
greg fitzsimmons
What's that watch worth?
joe rogan
I don't know if watches that well.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
You'd have to talk to someone who understands them.
greg fitzsimmons
Because that's another big contest, I'm sure, is what your watch is worth.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That's a big thing with those types of gentlemen.
And what kind of car you have.
What year your car is.
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder what the most sought after woman is among those guys.
joe rogan
Whites.
greg fitzsimmons
Blonde, white.
joe rogan
Blonde, whites.
greg fitzsimmons
Trumpy looking girls.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like maybe they'll really turn out a Kansas girl.
Like Daisy Dukes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cowboy hat and one of those flannel shirts that ties in a knot.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's got boots and he pulls his bigotty Veyron to some Texas gas station right when she's buying worms because she's fixing to go fishing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, what, you catch your own fish?
I have plenty of fish.
Come, my yacht.
Look at that guy.
How many of them speak English?
And how many of them are Russian?
greg fitzsimmons
I need answers.
joe rogan
I need answers.
Yeah, man.
These guys ballin'.
Don't hate.
Jamie, you hatin'?
greg fitzsimmons
A lot of hating on there.
Just whores.
Bunch of mucky sluts.
I love guys that write stuff like that.
Like, you would kill to hug one of those girls.
joe rogan
How about this dirty bitch?
I want to join you ladies.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, folks?
It takes every kind of people.
That was a song, wasn't it?
It takes every kind of people.
What is that?
What are you just pulling out?
jamie vernon
That was the girl who wanted to join.
joe rogan
Oh, well, don't be mean.
Go onto her page.
Don't blow her up.
She's a freak.
You can't stop freaks.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's a whole thing, those clubs that entertain those types of people.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
They have to change that.
It's always got a new name every three years.
It's always like one word, utopia or whatever.
And they have to do multi-million dollar renovations.
joe rogan
Have to.
greg fitzsimmons
Or else people stop going there.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's a known strategy.
But people are like, you know, Cockfest is opening.
It's opening next week.
You coming?
Cockfest.
Is that at Aria?
Yeah, it's amazing.
You know, DJ Fuckface is there.
DJ Fuckface left the trap?
Yeah, he's done with them.
They fucked him.
It's bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
They scratched one of his records.
joe rogan
How much molly do you want?
They're, like, essentially, like, if Vegas had, like, a test, where you could test people for ecstasy, and if they failed, you wouldn't let them in the club, there'd be no one in their fucking clubs.
Like, it is a weird thing.
There's a lot of drinking, for sure, but the amount of people that are going to see those crazy DJ shows that they have in Vegas and probably mollying up out of their mind, probably, Jamie, what would you ask?
You're a young man.
What would you say?
How many people that are going to see these Vegas musical shows are doing ecstasy?
jamie vernon
80 to 90 percent.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
jamie vernon
For sure.
Not all of them, because there's people that don't, and they just want to do it, but almost all.
joe rogan
80 to 90 percent, son.
greg fitzsimmons
That shit fucks up your head, doesn't it?
unidentified
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
Molly?
joe rogan
Allegedly.
greg fitzsimmons
I heard you crash the next day really hard because your brain has been just soaked in...
What are the chemicals you get soaked in?
joe rogan
You get dopamine, son.
unidentified
Dopamine.
greg fitzsimmons
Then you get withdrawal from it, right, the next day?
joe rogan
Look at this.
XS Las Vegas unveils $10 million makeover.
Holy shit, look at that place.
That's like the Ice Palace in Frozen.
Let it go.
Let it go.
unidentified
Can't hold me back anymore.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like one of those pools where you just stand in, like Ian Edwards' joke.
You don't swim in that pool.
joe rogan
That's hilarious, that place.
It's awesome.
Yeah, I did Ecstasy once.
And I never did it again.
It fucked me up.
I had a great time when I was on it, though, and I learned a lot of shit.
Learned a lot of shit about, like, it just dissolves insecurities.
Like, they're gone.
And it, like, gives you, like, an insight into, like, the structure of the building of your personality.
Like, it takes away the walls.
And you're like, oh, here's a support frame.
And this is, like, the doorway that everything goes through.
Like, oh, okay, I get it.
So, like, insecurity is all this, like, guard that's, like, constantly on the lookout for your peace of mind and for your...
greg fitzsimmons
Ego.
joe rogan
Your self-esteem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And for your relaxation.
Like, I got you covered.
I got you covered.
So this thing is, like, this tension is around you all the time.
And it manifests itself in a bunch of different ways, and one of them is insecurity.
And when you take that initial ecstasy experience and it dissolves that feeling, you go, oh...
There's a lot of weird shit that people trip on for no reason.
And me, weird shit that I would trip on for no reason.
That makes you wonder, how much time am I wasting with these really poor thoughts?
greg fitzsimmons
How much energy?
joe rogan
Yeah, so much energy.
I was thinking the other day, what is it like to work at the National Enquirer?
When you talk about blowing out massive amounts of energy on nonsense, I was at the counter, I was picking up some fruit, and I went to the supermarket, and I stopped in the line to put my stuff on, and there's this National Enquirer thing that says, I sold coke to Matt Lauer and below it it says Larry King it It says, like, Larry King's wife caught cheating on him.
And then there was another one.
There was some other scandal on it, too.
It was like, this is hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
You think Larry King gives a fuck if his wife is getting laid?
He'll probably pay the cab fare.
You shit me?
So he doesn't have to disappoint her one night?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
greg fitzsimmons
You deserve it!
joe rogan
I don't know.
Poor Larry.
I saw him on a show recently.
I think it was like Colbert.
Remember we were watching it, Jimmy?
What was that show that we were watching?
His body looks very strange.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very strange.
greg fitzsimmons
He's curling, right?
joe rogan
Well, it's way worse than that.
It's, um...
There's something going on where there's no tissue in between his bones.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, when he sits there, he'll, like, sit down.
Everything just sort of collapses like a folding chair and assumes these weird angles.
Like, he's sitting there and he's got, like, one arm up.
Like, look at that.
Look at that picture right there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's one, but there was another one when he was on the couch.
I want to say he was on the couch of the Colbert show.
I want to say that's what he was doing.
Um, and it was just fucking strange to look at, like, oh, Larry, like, you gotta lift some weights.
Like, you gotta do some yoga or something.
greg fitzsimmons
He's old as shit, though, isn't he?
joe rogan
How much older is he than Stallone?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, much older.
joe rogan
How much?
greg fitzsimmons
I gotta think Larry King's 85 years old.
joe rogan
Hmm, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Stallone is what, 65?
70?
joe rogan
Oh, he's 82. Wow.
He looks great.
greg fitzsimmons
He's worth $1.5 billion.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Holy shit.
I didn't know he had that kind of bank.
joe rogan
Powerful Larry King.
No wonder why he doesn't care if his wife cheats on him.
It's like, who gives a fuck?
I'm over here cumming on money.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's a lot of money.
greg fitzsimmons
He still works.
joe rogan
He likes it, I guess.
greg fitzsimmons
He loves it.
I saw him in the Sirius building one day.
I mean, there were not a lot of high-profile shows there, and he's there doing interviews.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's an interesting guy, man.
greg fitzsimmons
That's his wife?
joe rogan
Yep.
unidentified
Would you hit it?
greg fitzsimmons
X-rated cheating scale.
Not if he's involved.
joe rogan
Don't go to that page.
How dare you?
You're about to click, you little gossiper.
Um...
What I was getting at is that, like, imagine working in a place where that's all you're doing, constantly, like, where is the dirt?
greg fitzsimmons
Where is it?
Well, it's almost like they just take darts and they have two different targets, and one is the person and the other one is the activity.
joe rogan
Well, also, they're allowed to make shit up.
All they have to say is, a source told us.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all they have to say.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're protected.
greg fitzsimmons
Source told us, Adam Sandler was shoplifting.
Yeah.
Tells us that Bette Midler is anorexic.
joe rogan
And they get sued all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
For making shit up.
greg fitzsimmons
Don't fuck with Scientologists, because they come hard.
joe rogan
Dude, they come hard.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, they went after the Sun-Times in England.
joe rogan
With the Sun-Times print?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I think that's Rupert Murdoch's company, that he was gay.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
How rude.
And Scientology fucking took him deep.
joe rogan
How rude.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How rude.
greg fitzsimmons
Don't say anything.
You don't have the pockets to say anything right now.
joe rogan
It's just so funny.
greg fitzsimmons
We should write a paper like that.
Just about comedians, though.
joe rogan
How so?
greg fitzsimmons
Just dirt on comedians.
Just make shit up.
joe rogan
Make shit up?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What would we call it?
Comedy Inquirer?
Just rip them off?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
jamie vernon
You kind of find the link to the article, but when you click on it, it's gone.
joe rogan
Lawsuit claims.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Which article?
greg fitzsimmons
The Scientologists even took down articles about the lawsuit.
jamie vernon
It's off the Sun-Times website.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, they probably sued the shit out of somebody.
greg fitzsimmons
How about the, uh, what's that, um, Gawker went out of business because of that one lawsuit.
Because of Bubba the Love Sponge.
joe rogan
Yeah, because of, uh, Hulk Hogan.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Banged his wife.
greg fitzsimmons
But one lawsuit.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Fucking, I mean, that was a big industry.
joe rogan
Yeah.
One lawsuit took him down.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Didn't they get hit for over a hundred million bucks?
greg fitzsimmons
Something like that.
joe rogan
Just because they showed his cock?
jamie vernon
140 million.
greg fitzsimmons
Was it a video?
It was a video, right?
jamie vernon
It was a video, but they put up brand stories about it.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, where'd the video come from?
joe rogan
There was also some really defiant statements.
Someone asked him about underage girls.
Wasn't there a question like that?
jamie vernon
I think he said something about black guys or something.
greg fitzsimmons
Hulk Hogan?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, no, no.
Not that.
That was something else.
That was a different thing.
What I'm talking about is what they asked him, like, at what age would you not release that video?
Yeah, the guy who got sued, the Gawker guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They asked him something and he gave this really defiant response.
You know, like, I put it up.
I put it up.
I definitely put it up.
I forget what it was.
But I remember listening to it, like, ooh, they're going to get this guy.
You can't just do that.
You can't even say you put an underage sex tape up.
People are like, oh, you're just out of control.
What did he say?
Okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's down.
joe rogan
And then they sued him personally, too.
Hulk Hogan sued him personally for like $35 million, and then sued Gawker for like $100 and whatever million.
greg fitzsimmons
And then Bubba sued also.
Imagine Bubba the Love Sponge coming after you.
Holy shit.
I'll give you whatever you want right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever done his show?
joe rogan
He's a good guy.
greg fitzsimmons
He's fucking great.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
greg fitzsimmons
I did his show one time, and I walk in, and I just come in on a red eye.
And I walk into the studio, and it's out in the middle of nowhere.
It's like in the fucking brambles.
And you go in, it's like a shack.
And you walk in, and there's some PAs, and they're smoking a joint.
They get me high.
Everybody's drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon.
There's a midget on the couch, little person on the couch, who's pissed himself.
And I go inside.
It was like training day.
I go inside and Bubba pulls out a 12-gauge handgun.
An Israeli handgun.
And he starts waving it around and everybody fucking runs out of the studio.
I go, you're just fucking around, right?
And then everybody runs.
I was like, maybe he's not fucking around.
And he had a stripper or a whore in a van who drove up to this corporate offices center, and she was giving guys handjobs for free.
But they were playing the audio live on the air.
Guys in suits and briefcases getting handies in a sweaty windowless van.
joe rogan
Wow.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
He's the best!
joe rogan
Later asked by an attorney for Hogan if there was a situation in which a celebrity tape might not be newsworthy.
DeLario responded, if they were a child.
The attorney then asked him to specify a child or under what age.
josh olin
DeLario responded, four.
greg fitzsimmons
No!
Cases are won and lost on shit like that.
It wasn't about Hulk.
joe rogan
I didn't think it was that young.
I thought he was talking about a 14 year old.
My brain was probably so disturbed by that, I turned it into 14. That is disturbing.
greg fitzsimmons
Shit.
joe rogan
He's probably on coke.
Let the guy go.
He's probably doing antidepressants, lots of cocaine, running a thing like Gawker.
You gotta be wired up.
Gotta be on edge.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's like that guy who used to do the Spring Break videos.
Remember that guy?
joe rogan
Spring Break videos.
greg fitzsimmons
Girls Gone Wild.
Remember, he was fucking wired, too.
Same kind of an operation.
Just couldn't stop, couldn't get enough, couldn't say fuck you to the press and the public enough.
He was a renegade.
joe rogan
Well, that guy was kidnapped in his house.
Like, his house was broken into, and he got raped.
Like, a guy raped him with a dildo.
greg fitzsimmons
Because he had videotaped his girlfriend or something?
joe rogan
Probably.
Something along those lines.
jamie vernon
I think I heard it was his sister.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
I think I heard it was his sister they got.
They, like, sodomized the guy and made him say some shit on video.
joe rogan
So he did something to this guy's sister?
Is that what he's saying?
unidentified
I think so.
jamie vernon
I'll find the story.
greg fitzsimmons
Of course that's going to happen.
You live a life like that, that's going to happen one day.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's probably going to happen.
Well, it definitely happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Girls Gone Wild.
Remember that?
There was a moment where that was...
If you tried to do something like that today, no one would give a fuck.
You mean the internet?
Is that what you're saying?
Girls Gone Wild?
There's plenty of shit that you could watch that's way more crazy than Girls Gone Wild that you would never have to pay for.
greg fitzsimmons
And you wouldn't have to get releases for it.
joe rogan
There was a brief window in time.
A brief window where you could just run through.
And that guy ran through and sold videos that you could buy late night on a website.
Girls gone wild.
And you would watch these videos and people would pay for them.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, I can remember jerking off to the commercials.
They were so good.
jamie vernon
Guy broke into his house, pulled his pants down, strategically placed a dildo in his ass.
joe rogan
Strategically?
I don't think there's a strategy involved, folks.
unidentified
You are really loosely using the word strategy.
joe rogan
Ha ha ha!
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I've got a diagram, and there's a theory, Einstein's theory.
joe rogan
Whoa, they found the guy?
It says the masked man who later turned out to be sexy in...
Why isn't sexy?
Why is that?
Sexy Hollywood con man Darnell Riley then tried to blackmail Francis for up to $500,000 for the tape, and he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for Paris Hilton, who was also being blackmailed by Riley.
Wow.
Holy shit.
She was an idiot who befriended him, and he introduced him...
And introduced him to a social circle to begin with.
With Paris' help, police were able to arrest Riley, who copped a plea and is currently serving eight years in prison for robbery and extortion.
The irony is that he'll probably be a free man in a few years, while Francis will likely be serving a term on tax evasion charges.
What year is this?
jamie vernon
This is 2008. He's not in jail for that.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So this guy's out too then for eight years.
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder if some guys were strategically putting dicks in his ass.
joe rogan
Probably.
Strategically.
Why do you say this guy is...
The whole thing is weird.
So they met a con man.
The con man found out where Joe Francis lived and fucked him in the ass with a dildo.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
How rude.
greg fitzsimmons
Speaking of Florida, can I plug my dates this weekend?
joe rogan
I like how you did it.
Yeah, please do.
We were talking before the show.
Is this week you're doing the improv in Fort Lauderdale?
It's a great room.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a great room, the 8th through the 10th of September.
I'll be down there.
joe rogan
Fun room.
greg fitzsimmons
It is.
It's rowdy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fun gig.
I'm not a big fan of casinos.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
We've talked about that before the show started, like the Indian casinos, Native American casinos.
They're dark.
There's something bizarre about them.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And when you gotta walk through that every night to get to the show, you show up with a weird vibe.
You've absorbed a lot of different energies walking through that room.
joe rogan
I stayed at the Hard Rock last time I was in Orlando, and this couple next to me was fucking the shit out of each other.
greg fitzsimmons
You could hear it?
joe rogan
Oh, it was great.
Yeah, it was great.
This guy was laying some pipe.
I wish I met him in the hallway.
I'd give him knuckles.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but what if the door opened and he came out?
joe rogan
Oh, he's trying to fuck me, too?
greg fitzsimmons
And then another dude came out.
unidentified
Oh, he's trying to fuck me, too?
joe rogan
He's like, I'm here to fuck you, too.
I'm here to fuck.
She's done.
No, like, he was pounding it, like, bam, bam.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she's like, oh, fuck me, baby.
Oh, fuck me, baby.
I was like, whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was going on for quite a while, so I was like, this guy is really laying some pipe.
greg fitzsimmons
That's fucking great.
joe rogan
Yeah, he definitely took vitamins.
He was definitely in shape.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was pounding her for a while.
But I was like, there's something about that.
Well, you ever have a cat?
Cats will, like, hide under a couch, but their tail's hanging out.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, bitch, I see you.
Yeah.
While you pretend you're hiding.
When someone's fucking in a hotel like that, yeah, alright, no one's around.
No, everybody can hear you.
Everybody can hear everything you say.
Everybody can hear you.
You're basically broadcasting to the people above you, below you, and to each side.
greg fitzsimmons
I've stood outside doors.
joe rogan
For sure.
greg fitzsimmons
I have.
I've walked next door and stood right outside the door.
joe rogan
Yeah, just listen.
greg fitzsimmons
You get the double door, connecting rooms, and you open your door.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Get a glass.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Put your pants down.
Also, Cleveland, the 8th through the 10th of September.
joe rogan
So what day is this Hollywood Improv date again?
greg fitzsimmons
That's going to be the 1st through the 4th of September.
joe rogan
That's this weekend, Greg Fitzsimmons.
Who are you working with?
greg fitzsimmons
A couple of white guys, if it's Florida, I would imagine.
joe rogan
Oh, do you know the guys?
unidentified
White guys.
Should be the title of your new special, White People in Florida.
greg fitzsimmons
Cleveland, September 8th through the 10th at Hilarity's.
joe rogan
Good gig?
greg fitzsimmons
Good gig.
Good restaurant.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Nick Costas runs the place.
He makes the best, probably best food of any comedy club in the country.
joe rogan
That's strong words.
greg fitzsimmons
Where else do you think there's good food?
joe rogan
Mike Lacey's Comedy Magic Club.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, that's good.
joe rogan
It's excellent.
It's like a great restaurant.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Flappers?
What about Flappers?
joe rogan
I haven't eaten at Flappers.
Oh, yeah, I did.
No, I ate at Flappers once.
Yeah, Flappers is really good, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few places.
Remember when the Improv tried to do a barbecue joint?
They tried to have, like, fake fucking...
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Fake old Westy shit in the front.
greg fitzsimmons
They called it the Roadhouse.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had, like, rusty saws on the wall and stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
That's like, where'd this theme come from?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
What corporate meeting dreamed up this idea?
joe rogan
I know this isn't a farm.
Yeah.
Am I retarded?
I'll just put some hay in the corner.
I think you just wrapped back with the hay field.
unidentified
We're just feeding the cow and I came in with some fresh barbecue.
Who's in?
Make sure the waitresses take one side of that overall off the shoulder.
joe rogan
Popper's drunk at the bar.
You're like, Gene, what are you doing in the Wild West?
What are you doing out here with the cowpokes and our barbecued sandwiches and our fancy old western bar?
greg fitzsimmons
Look!
unidentified
This board's weathered!
joe rogan
There's some old shitty wood.
greg fitzsimmons
There's a little hitching post out front.
joe rogan
Yeah, you show up with some shoes that were professionally scuffed.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You brought them to these poor immigrant children, and they just threw rocks at your shoes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Go play soccer in these for an hour.
unidentified
Until they look like you're a man of the world.
joe rogan
A worldly man.
greg fitzsimmons
Then don't forget...
Calgary.
You like Calgary?
joe rogan
Alberta.
Fucking love it up there.
greg fitzsimmons
September 22 through 24 at Yuck Yucks.
joe rogan
Oh, good gig.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, shit, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a good gig.
Calgary's fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Podcast Festival on the 25th.
Oh, there's a festival up there?
No, this is going to be back in L.A. Oh.
On September 25th.
That'll do it.
joe rogan
I like how you did that.
You went Podcast Festival.
It's confusing.
It gives them the thinking.
Like, is this in Cleveland, too?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And then you say, in L.A. You're like, oh, now I have to rethink everything.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, it's in L.A. I try to take people on my journey.
Here's what my life is going to be for the next 30 days.
It's going to be lonely.
It's going to be lonely.
joe rogan
You should bring guys on the road with you.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
unidentified
Well, actually, Cleveland I am.
greg fitzsimmons
J.F. Harris is opening for me in Cleveland.
That'll be great.
You know that guy?
joe rogan
J.F. Harris.
I probably have met him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, good guy.
Good guy.
joe rogan
Is he a improv guy?
greg fitzsimmons
Good fucking comic.
No, he just moved here.
joe rogan
From where?
greg fitzsimmons
He was living in the Midwest.
I can't remember which city he was in.
joe rogan
There's so many new guys here now.
There's like a guy, you see someone a couple of times like, ah, that dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Hey, what's up?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I know you.
What's up?
greg fitzsimmons
Like you've worked with them on the road?
joe rogan
Or no, you've seen them at the improv.
There's always new people now.
The comedy business, as far as the amount of comics, I don't think there's ever been more of us.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Right?
Wouldn't you think?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there's a ton of rooms.
There's a lot more people making a living at it, that's for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Which means there's more people in Toronto.
Plus, you've got that whole...
UCB mechanism that creates comedy by making classes of people learn comedy.
And then they all start going out to the clubs in massive waves like fucking crabs running into the ocean.
unidentified
Sea turtles.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot that escape.
greg fitzsimmons
And they don't have real commitment.
They just are doing it because they've blocked out this time before they get a sitcom writing job or before they go into auditioning for movies.
There's just this period that they're going to do stand-up.
joe rogan
There's a thing that drives real comics crazy, and it's that.
Guys like you, guys like...
Maren brings that shit up.
There's a lot of guys that get real upset.
Like people with ulterior motives that also do stand-up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like stand-up is this sacred thing that must...
You must commit yourself only to this art.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's some dark art.
Like, yeah, they're going to try it out for a while, and then they're going to move on to other things, those fucking losers.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like I'm a middle-aged woman in a bar, some honky-tonk, and guys use me a lot.
I just want to meet a husband.
joe rogan
I just want to meet a good man, and I just don't know why.
I keep winding up with fellers like you coming in my mouth.
This is just not what I wanted.
It's not what I wanted.
I know it's what happened.
greg fitzsimmons
I pull my head off when you jam it back down.
joe rogan
I just want love.
greg fitzsimmons
I'll give the head, but I just want some kids too.
joe rogan
Oh, it's too late, baby.
You're 56. No, no, no, no, no.
There's a woman in Russia.
She's 64 years old.
She just had a baby.
She had her first baby, naturally.
Natural childbirth through the Lord, and she drank a lot of kefir.
You ever heard of that?
It's a culture.
It's like a yogurt.
It's real good for your digestive system.
greg fitzsimmons
Makes you ripe as a peach.
joe rogan
Baby, I know I got three or four eggs left.
I had a period last summer.
greg fitzsimmons
Meanwhile, it was a hemorrhage.
joe rogan
It's a blood clot.
unidentified
A cyst burst.
greg fitzsimmons
Just a polyp.
It wasn't a period, it was a polyp.
joe rogan
Just a deep hemorrhoid that leaked from her asshole into her vagina through the wall.
It's such a heavy flow.
It's just pouring out of her asshole.
greg fitzsimmons
She's sticking tampons in.
joe rogan
Some residual, some of it.
I swear, this came out of my vagina.
I've been feeling cranky.
I'm heavier than ever.
greg fitzsimmons
Look how moody I am.
joe rogan
Look how bloated I am.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, because you just passed the fucking part of your spleen.
joe rogan
I had my period.
It just came through my butt.
I used to date this fella, and he had a hook-like dick, and I think he wore a hole in the wall of my vagina with his hooked dick, and that is where the blood...
He pierced me.
My vagina blood's just not coming out of my vagina, but I'm definitely having my period.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, sure I took it in the ass last night real hard, but that's not why I'm bleeding.
joe rogan
That was my choice.
greg fitzsimmons
It's that time of my month.
joe rogan
I just felt like, give him a treat.
greg fitzsimmons
What about she punctures herself so she can show him that she's bleeding?
No, look!
She's got pliers up there 10 minutes before.
joe rogan
Did you see that video of that woman?
She was suing her ex-fiance, some billionaire character, and they got video of her beating the shit out of herself on the bed.
greg fitzsimmons
No!
joe rogan
He put surveillance cameras in the bedroom.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
She's wailing on her own face in the bed.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Like, wailing on herself.
greg fitzsimmons
That's awesome.
unidentified
Screaming and kicking.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, and who was the guy?
joe rogan
Some rich guy.
He was breaking it off with her.
unidentified
She's like, oh yeah, motherfucker.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, what do you think?
Did you talk to Stanhope about that whole thing with...
joe rogan
Yeah, I did, but honestly...
greg fitzsimmons
What's your take on that?
joe rogan
He wasn't there.
Stanhope, he wasn't there when it all went down.
If he ever did really whack that chick in the head, I don't know if he did.
I wasn't there.
Look at this girl.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Show it again, Jamie.
But just show the beginning because the beginning is ridiculous.
Watch this.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my god!
joe rogan
She's insane.
And then she starts throwing these tantrums and then doing it again.
And she does it a bunch of times.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my god.
joe rogan
She just keeps wailing on her own face.
And screaming and yelling.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn!
That is a woman out of control!
joe rogan
And there's no one there.
She's doing that shit by herself.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, she's making noise so the neighbors will hear it.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know if she's doing that.
That's actually a smart move.
You open up all the windows.
Do it so the neighbors can hear it.
Beat the shit out of yourself.
The neighbors call the cops.
You come out.
He left.
He just left five minutes ago.
He just messed up.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, he had surveillance cameras.
You get to see darkness sometimes and things like that.
Ooh, that's dark.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Ooh.
I beat myself up in jail once.
I got arrested for fighting.
And the cops were being fucking assholes and they wouldn't give me any food.
And then he reached in and he grabbed my hair because I was yelling at him.
And he bashed my head against the wall a couple times.
And I wasn't bleeding.
So then I punched myself in the side of the mouth and I made myself bleed.
And I got out and they just checked me out.
Nobody cared.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
There wasn't a big investigation.
Wow.
joe rogan
They just felt bad.
greg fitzsimmons
I like put it on my shirt.
Did you really?
How old were you?
Like 16. You clever fella.
joe rogan
Listen, there's a way to make this better.
I see an opening.
I'm gonna take it.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm gonna take the whole police force down.
joe rogan
Hey, he grabbed my fucking head.
I just can't prove it.
I feel justified in my embellishment.
greg fitzsimmons
I bet there weren't cameras back then.
joe rogan
The cameras they did have, they'd just draw with crayons.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were terrible.
greg fitzsimmons
Looks like a sonogram.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, any surveillance system from the 1980s.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What kind of shit film was that?
You ever look at a VHS tape from the 1980s?
All right.
Oh, you remember that movie, Jamie?
That VHS movie?
That horror movie that people told me about that's awesome?
greg fitzsimmons
You ever see that movie?
joe rogan
VHS? It's like found footage.
Like, look what we found.
greg fitzsimmons
Not the something witch project?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
greg fitzsimmons
Blair Witch Project?
joe rogan
No, it's like that.
But VHS is just a horror movie.
But it has this one segment of it.
There's like three or four segments?
How many segments?
There's one segment where there's this girl, and she plays this demon that really loves this guy, and she's kind of hot, and she meets this guy at a bar, and she's just really strange, and they get back to an apartment, and they're all drinking, and this guy starts banging her, and she turns into this demon and kills them all.
It's fucking wild.
And they've decided to make a whole movie.
It's the best part of the series, the VHS series by far.
So they decided to make a whole movie of it, of this one character.
Apparently it's out.
Isn't it called like Sirens or something like that?
greg fitzsimmons
Sirens was an Australian movie.
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of those Sirens movies, but I think this movie is called like Siren.
It might be Siren, and it might be on Netflix.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't imagine...
A deeper emotional change than fucking a girl and having her turn into a monster that's killing you.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's so well done, too.
greg fitzsimmons
It's so fun.
One second, you're vulnerable, and you're feeling confident.
Sex is being in control, isn't it?
You're fucking, you're making her feel a certain way, and then all of a sudden the fangs come out, and your dick shrinks.
You gotta get out of there.
joe rogan
Well, that's part of the problem.
She fucks this guy, and she's fucking him, but she kills all his friends, but she likes him, and she keeps saying, I like you.
unidentified
I like you.
joe rogan
She goes to suck his dick, and his dick is soft, and she gets upset.
And she's covered in blood.
She's covered in blood.
She's got giant teeth.
Her head is grown.
So her forehead is split down the middle.
Her skin is split down the middle.
Because her head is grown.
And she's got all these teeth.
And she's sucking his cock with his blood caked all over her face.
She's like, I like it.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
And she's like upset.
unidentified
Why aren't you hard?
joe rogan
It's awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
It's awesome.
Is it like porn?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You don't see it.
It's like from his perspective.
He has like glasses on where he can see it.
Siren clip goes on the run and attacks.
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's the movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck.
joe rogan
But just VHS? Who directed it?
Releases in theaters December 2nd, 2016. David Bruckner.
Video On Demand 2. Okay, so it's going to be On Demand December 2nd.
I hope it's good.
Play a little clip of it.
See if you can find a little clip of the scene in VHS. No, not this one.
In the original one.
In the original scene where the girl's like, I like you.
There's like a clip of it.
There's like a trailer of it.
greg fitzsimmons
So this was a...
Did it get released or went straight to video?
joe rogan
It got released, but the rest of the movie wasn't good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like this one part is really scary and fucked up and like wild.
And it gives you all these feelings.
You're like, ah!
And it lasts for 20 minutes.
Or maybe a half an hour at the most.
But this is her.
Like, play it for her so you can hear it.
josh olin
It was really creepy before she turned into a...
joe rogan
I like you.
Oh, it's just that that's it?
She kept doing that to him.
And he's like, yeah, I like you too.
She's like, I like you.
And then as they got alone together and then with all their friends and everyone's drinking, then when she turns into this demon and kills them all, it's fucking horrific because it's all seen from the first person perspective.
It's all seen from this guy's eyeglasses that he's wearing.
He's wearing these videos.
That's her.
That's her when she's sucking his dick.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
He's freaking the fuck out.
It was so good!
It was so scary.
You know, demons seem stupid.
It seems really stupid that something can turn into that.
But look.
How bizarre is a black widow?
How bizarre is a spider that eats her mate?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How bizarre is a lot of nature that's absolutely real?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of weird shit out there in nature.
Things change.
They morph.
They become a different thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If there was just a small percentage of women, then when you fucked them, they became demons.
greg fitzsimmons
And you don't know.
joe rogan
You don't know.
You don't know until you get them hot.
And they're out there on the dance floor and they're fucking really shaking it because they can't wait to become a demon.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they're really trying to draw you in.
unidentified
I like you.
joe rogan
I like you.
And you're like, dude, I'm telling you, man.
No, she's Puerto Rican.
She doesn't speak English.
Bro, that's a demon.
I'm telling you, that's a demon.
There hasn't been a demon in six weeks.
There's no demons, bro.
You gotta take the chance.
Would people still fuck?
unidentified
Absolutely.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Would guys still get drunk and take random women home that say, I like you?
There would be girls that would pretend to be demons so they can get guys.
It'd be like, you know, I've heard that some gay guys become bug catchers or bug chasers where they try to get HIV. No shit.
You never heard of that?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like a real phenomenon in the gay community where like reckless gay single guys would actively try to get HIV for fun.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
And obviously this is not representative of the entire gay community and I'm not being in any way discriminatory.
What I'm saying is that these are real people that actually did this because people vary.
People are nuts.
Well, if there was a demon, if there was just one small percentage of the population, it's less than 1% of 1%.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you meet a thousand people, one of them's a demon.
What are the odds?
greg fitzsimmons
I dated a girl whose boyfriend died of AIDS. Oh, same thing.
Used condoms.
joe rogan
Demon?
AIDS? Same thing.
You used condoms because he died of AIDS? Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Like, she might have caught it from him?
greg fitzsimmons
Well...
joe rogan
Did you get nervous?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
Didn't think about it.
joe rogan
When you think about it, getting AIDS or getting Ebola or syphilis is a lot like having a demon in you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like this thing.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a living thing you're hosting.
unidentified
This entity that's trying to consume you.
joe rogan
You have too much energy, Craig.
I like you.
It's not going to suck your dick and bite your balls off, but it's just going to just slowly...
greg fitzsimmons
But you invited it in.
joe rogan
Slowly invited it in through a pussy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Got a little drunk.
She had cute feet.
greg fitzsimmons
Little golden brown ones.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Next thing you know.
And then you go to pee.
What the fuck's going on?
greg fitzsimmons
What the fuck is going on?
unidentified
Why is my dick It's just nothing.
It's nothing.
joe rogan
Don't be scared.
She looked fine.
She didn't look sick.
Don't be paranoid, man.
Then you go to work for a couple days.
Why am I sweating?
unidentified
Am I sweating?
joe rogan
Is it hot in here?
Is it hot in here?
No, it's freezing.
This office is freezing.
I feel hot.
Shit.
Am I okay?
I think I'm okay.
God, I'm so tired.
greg fitzsimmons
Let me check my voicemail.
joe rogan
I'm so tired.
greg fitzsimmons
I like you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Voicemail.
I like you.
Just slowly but surely, that thing eats your body away.
Isn't that how Al Capone died?
He died from syphilis.
Did he?
I believe so.
unidentified
From...
Who's there?
greg fitzsimmons
How did everybody not die from VD? You know, like, you watch Game of Thrones or any of these things, and it just reminds you of, like, back then, nobody used a condom.
joe rogan
God.
greg fitzsimmons
And they went to whorehouses constantly.
joe rogan
What kind of gangy, gamey, pussy smell, pussy-asshole combo smell did people have back then?
greg fitzsimmons
No running water.
joe rogan
Ooh.
Al Capone spent the last year of his Alcatraz sentence, which had been reduced to six years and five months for a combination of good behavior and work credits, in the hospital section, being treated for syphilis.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
He was released...
He slowly deteriorated while staying at his Palm Island estate in Miami on January 25, 1947. He died of cardiac arrest.
So yeah, syphilis got him.
You know, that's a slow demon.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it?
Syphilis?
joe rogan
But it's a demon.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's not gonna talk to you, it doesn't come from hell, but it comes from here and it does the same job.
It just takes a different form that's not as terrifying to us for some reason.
But if as many people died from demons as died from the flu, we'd be shitting our pants every day.
Like, thousands of people in this country die from the flu.
Nobody's out there freaking out.
Like, imagine if you go to CVS and get an anti-demon shot.
Because the same amount of people, the same amount of people who died from the flu died of demons.
So they'd have like garlic rings at the store, you have to go and throw them on, and there's crosses everywhere you go.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We would be in a state of terror if demons killed as many people as colds do.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
And it's all through sex.
That is.
With the cold, you didn't even get laid.
You just caught something on a subway.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, I mean, what percent...
Okay, let's take a guess here.
How many people ever, like over the course of human history, have died from VD? How many millions of people?
greg fitzsimmons
Millions.
joe rogan
Hundred million?
greg fitzsimmons
Hundred million.
joe rogan
I think you're probably right.
Let's say a hundred million people have died from venereal disease worldwide.
How many people do you think it is every year?
How many people does like...
greg fitzsimmons
In a year?
joe rogan
Syphilis and shit like that kill.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, AIDS is still tearing up the third world.
unidentified
Tearing it up.
greg fitzsimmons
A million.
joe rogan
A million worldwide every year.
greg fitzsimmons
That might be high.
A few hundred thousand.
joe rogan
It certainly wasn't in the AIDS... I don't have no...
Honestly, now that I'm saying this, I realize I'm totally talking out of my ass.
I have no knowledge of what the actual numbers of the AIDS crisis were.
I had a guy on my podcast a long time ago who is a biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and he does not believe that HIV causes AIDS. And of all the people that I've ever had on my podcast that created more people angry at me and controversy, I just wanted to talk to the guy because I don't understand the argument, and I don't understand how one person can have this point of view that all these other scientists and biologists don't have.
What the fuck is that guy's name?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the president of South Africa doesn't believe that HIV causes AIDS. Yeah, his name is Duisberg.
Duisberg.
joe rogan
Duisberg.
He's a German gentleman.
And what he believed is that it was a combination...
He said that...
I'm doing a shitty job paraphrasing it, but what he was saying, I know, I clear my throat too much.
I'm going to stop, America.
greg fitzsimmons
You need one of those buttons.
A lot of the old radio shows, you have a cough button.
joe rogan
It's goddamn butter coffee.
I don't want to admit it, because I love it, but I've got to stop drinking it.
I should just drink water for podcast.
It's annoying.
It's annoying to me, and I'm clearing my own throat.
greg fitzsimmons
Anyway.
joe rogan
This Dewsburg fella thought that it was a good idea to tell everybody that HIV was actually a weak virus and that it was a symptom of a deteriorated immune system rather than the cause of a deteriorated immune system.
And he believed that the cause of the deteriorated immune system was a bunch of different recreational drugs that these guys would take and that there's a disproportionate amount of these men From these areas, these parts of town where they were doing a lot of drugs and having a lot of sex.
Amyl nitrate and crystal meth and all this different stuff, which is apparently, amyl nitrate in particular, all that stuff is apparently devastating to your immune system.
And so it was his belief that the HIV aspect of it was just a symptom of a disease.
Deteriorated immune system from drugs and that they were saying that that caused it.
But how the fuck can you sneak that by all these different scientists?
It just doesn't make sense.
I obviously don't understand the argument.
And he is a tenured professor at the University of California, Berkeley.
And apparently he's made great strides in cancer research.
He's actually a very, very intelligent guy.
But when one guy has like a theory like this and everybody else is like, fuck you.
Like there's gotta be, it just doesn't seem like it could be possible that he's right.
I don't know.
I don't understand it.
But it doesn't make sense to me that one guy has figured this out.
Yeah.
So, when I had him on, man, people got so angry.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They got so angry.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a perfect guest.
joe rogan
They're like, blood is on your hands.
I'm like, well...
greg fitzsimmons
No, he's a tenured professor at an Ivy League school.
I think you can bring him on.
joe rogan
I got news for you.
If you take it in the ass because of this podcast, you're going to take it in the ass anyway.
So don't you fucking tell me there's blood on my hands.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you were looking for a fucking reason.
You already had amyl nitrate in your hand.
You were ready.
joe rogan
There is no way I am swaying your decision to get buttfucked without a condom.
I am not.
You take responsibility for your own actions, you son of a bee.
greg fitzsimmons
You're standing in the gay woods.
joe rogan
Come on, folks.
greg fitzsimmons
Listen to the podcast on earbuds.
joe rogan
How ridiculous is that idea?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wanted to know.
I mean, someone said that you should do it with a qualified medical professional so that you could have someone to counter access claims.
That is a very good point, and one I probably should have taken into consideration, and I probably would try to do that today.
But back then, this is many years ago when I was doing the podcast, I couldn't believe the guy even wanted to talk to me.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I was like, this is going to be great.
I always wanted to know what this fucking crazy dude believes.
Because everybody would always tell you, dude, you've read Dewsburg?
He had a thing in Spin Magazine.
HIV doesn't even cause AIDS, bro.
It was like this article in Spin Magazine I read, which was, wasn't that the penthouse guy?
Didn't he have something to do with Spin Magazine?
greg fitzsimmons
Larry Flint?
joe rogan
No, that's Hustler.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anyway, there was this article in it about Duisburg, about HIV, and I remember reading it going, is this even possible?
Is it possible?
Those things are really sketchy and dangerous for people like you or I who doesn't know jack shit about the human body.
But how much do you know about diseases?
greg fitzsimmons
Very little.
I know I got gonorrhea once.
joe rogan
Did you?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I was in my mom's car and I went to this club, went to this nightclub and I saw the classic fucking move out of a movie, out of a John Hughes movie.
I see a guy hitting on a girl and he's really annoying her.
So I walk up and I go, excuse me, do you mind if I talk to my girlfriend?
And the guy kind of just nods and walks away.
And she looks at me like a fucking halo comes over my head.
Half hour later, I'm fucking her in the back of my mom's Buick.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Real, like, too sexual, like she was more into it than I was, almost.
So then I go home that night, I sleep maybe three hours, and then I get up the next morning to go caddy.
And I'm out on the course, and I mean, it's that fast.
By noon, I got a burning sensation.
I stopped at the 9th old shack to take a piss, and it was like acid coming out of my penis.
And I got in.
I had a fever of like 103. I had green muck in my underwear.
And I went to the hospital.
And they diagnosed it immediately.
They're like, you got gonorrhea.
You got the clap, buddy.
Gave me a huge shot of penicillin in the ass.
And it went away.
Just went home and slept.
Woke up.
Was gone.
But then the girl who worked in medical records at the hospital lived in town.
She was my age.
Fucking told everybody I had gonorrhea.
I couldn't get laid for like a year.
joe rogan
that bitch she cockblocked me for a year In all fairness, though, you would have done the same thing.
greg fitzsimmons
You only gotta tell one person.
joe rogan
If you found out that she had gonorrhea, you'd fucking tell everybody.
greg fitzsimmons
Girls wouldn't even make out with me.
I was like fucking persona non grata.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Any reason to keep away from you when you're young, kids are ruthless.
And how they dump and re-gather their relationships back up again.
God, they're ruthless in how they break up with each other or how they shun one.
They'll kick one fucking duckling with a limp.
Pack the shit out of that duck and kick it into the pond.
Fuck you!
They look forward to, like, kicking someone out.
Don't ever fuck that guy again.
You don't have to tell me!
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
And those girls are so vulnerable at that age, too.
unidentified
And if you somehow or another work your way back in just to keep it a secret, we have to keep it a secret that we're seeing each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you know, after a while, no one's going to care anymore.
But they care right now.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They care right now.
You have to sneak in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She has to go on dates with other guys.
She goes on dates with other guys and says she feels like shit and she goes home early and then she fucks you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like barely.
She's wondering why she's doing it.
She's waiting for one guy to come along that she goes on a date with earlier that's like preferred to you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right now you're like barely hanging in there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you're just a fucking, you're just, you're almost on the bench.
joe rogan
Gonorrhea boy.
A fucking disease can change the course of your life.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that could have changed your confidence.
You know what?
I bet it did for the better.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm sure.
joe rogan
How about that?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Think about that.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it made me more cautious about condoms, I'll tell you that.
joe rogan
That, and I also bet it helped you deal with, like, the inevitable moment on stage where you say things that people don't think is funny and you have to, like, kind of have some personal sovereignty.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's a good way to develop personal sovereignty.
You become an outcast.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Girls, I don't want to fuck you anymore.
And you're like, hey, I have a mirror.
I know I'm not a fucking freak.
Like, what's going on here?
Like, this is bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it forces you.
greg fitzsimmons
Fight your way back.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're a handsome little fellow when you were young.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
Full head of hair.
joe rogan
Full head of hair.
Bright Irish smile.
greg fitzsimmons
Clean dick after a while.
Shiny.
Oh, I used to buff it.
joe rogan
Quick wit?
greg fitzsimmons
He's quick witted.
joe rogan
He's got a good vocabulary.
He's a sharp kid that fits Simmons.
greg fitzsimmons
Sharp as a tack.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's at the Kowloon in Saugus.
greg fitzsimmons
I remember him.
Uproot one.
Me and Sully went to see him uproot one.
He was fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
You know who I stumbled across a tweet of the other day?
Larry Rapucci.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Probably a good tweet.
joe rogan
Well, I think what it was was I was on Tim McIntyre's Twitter.
I was searching Tim McIntyre, Boston Comic.
I was on his Twitter feed for whatever reason.
I was bored.
Reading some funny shit that he had and interesting stuff and you know you do that you go on like a little Twitter timeline right thing and I ran across a it looked like a Facebook message from Larry Rapucci who when we were kids when we were starting out Larry was kind of a legendary character and In Boston, he got a full-time gig with Nick's Comedy Stop, where all he worked was Nick's Comedy Stop gigs.
He was one of those few guys.
There were a few guys that got that package, remember?
greg fitzsimmons
They gave him like $500 a week, and they would just work him to death.
joe rogan
But he knew that $500 was coming in every week.
He never had to worry about work.
And he was so loose because of it, because he was in.
They allowed him to do other gigs, too, because I know I did...
I know I did some other gigs with him, too, that maybe not even Nick's Comedy Stop gigs.
But for the most part, he worked for them.
And he was such a character.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a funny dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Had like a mullet and a belly, and he would strip down in a bikini at the end of his act.
joe rogan
Didn't he have like a regular job, too, for a long time?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm sure.
Like post office or something.
joe rogan
Something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That place, man.
I don't want to live there right now.
I don't want to do that in the winter.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Goddamn, it was a fun place to grow up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it was.
Because if you weren't performing, you were watching good comedy.
So any night out was a good night out.
joe rogan
It's amazing, like, as adults, when we're looking back on it, how, like, stupid, like, you literally couldn't ask for a better place.
We found the best place at the best time.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's almost like if you are in some sort of a simulated reality and you wanted to do the dream of struggling but eventually becoming a professional stand-up comic, where do you want to start?
I want to start out in the golden days of comedy in the 20th century.
greg fitzsimmons
And I want to make a living out of the gate.
joe rogan
I'm going to drop you off in Boston.
It's going to be cold.
The winter's going to give you something to bitch about.
josh olin
People have short attention spans.
joe rogan
They want you to give it to them quick.
They have very little patience for bullshit.
You couldn't be indulgent.
There was no room for indulgent.
It made you really appreciate attention spans.
It's fucking freezing outside, dude.
Get to the point.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And it was like you were given the opportunity, but then, like, you could get stage time and you could get scene, but to really work, you had to fucking command the stage.
You had to do your time.
You had to consistently perform.
It was like all these things that just made you get your, what is it, 10,000 hours, Malcolm Gladwell says?
Like, that was us getting our 10,000 hours.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's really like, for the most part, it's like 10 years, right?
Like 10 years before you know what you're doing, really.
And even then, you're pretty shaky.
greg fitzsimmons
I think Seinfeld said 14. He might be right.
joe rogan
It's hard to call, but it's just so interesting when you look back.
You're like, wow, it all sort of played itself out like it was a program.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like if you were a folk musician in the village in 1963. So it smells way better.
Yeah, and those guys never made any fucking money.
joe rogan
Yeah, folk musicians, there was a few that broke free, right?
Like, who's like a big folk musician?
greg fitzsimmons
Joni Mitchell.
joe rogan
Right.
Joni Mitchell's a badass bitch.
greg fitzsimmons
She was.
joe rogan
She was a badass bitch.
greg fitzsimmons
That album, Blue, I would put up against any album in history.
joe rogan
She had some really creative vocals too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really creative lyrics.
greg fitzsimmons
What a voice, a range.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's someone that you don't really hear.
You could be at any given bar at any given night and hear Sweet Home Alabama.
But what are the odds that you're going to hear, like, Chuckie's in love?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
California.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She had some great songs, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Moody songs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, they command your attention.
You can't passively listen to Joni Mitchell.
Yeah, there's a bunch of- They pave paradise, put up a parking lot.
joe rogan
Great fucking song.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great song.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting, man.
What we've just seen pass in our lifetimes, the different styles of music and the different eras of music, the 80s era.
When we were in high school, it was all like Van Halen.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was all like poison.
greg fitzsimmons
It was not good.
joe rogan
But it was hair bands.
Yeah.
Def Leppard.
greg fitzsimmons
Foreigner.
Foreigner!
unidentified
Feels like the very first time!
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, I can name every band member.
I was so into Foreigner.
Bad Company.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bad Company and BTO. Bad Company had that song...
Shooting Star, right?
That was a song that every kid thought was about them.
greg fitzsimmons
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
joe rogan
Johnny was a schoolboy when he heard his first Beatles song.
greg fitzsimmons
Hey.
joe rogan
Right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Love me too, I think it was from there, it didn't take him long.
And then it's this whole thing about him becoming this rock and roll star and then dying, like, real young.
Died in his bed.
greg fitzsimmons
There's like four songs that are like that.
They're about like, you know, here's a story of Chuck and Diane.
It's always about the Midwestern kids that go out to L.A., and then they break up and she becomes a whore.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
John Cougar Mellencamp, man, he had a lot of those kind of songs, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was in Indiana once, which is where he's from, right?
You would think, god damn, Indiana, John Cougar Mellencamp, it's like if Bruce Springsteen is anywhere in New Jersey, like at a sporting event, and they put a camera on Bruce Springsteen, people are going to go, the fucking boss!
Yeah, the boss!
Anywhere he goes, right?
Not John Cougar Mellencamp, man.
They didn't like him.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a liberal.
unidentified
Oh!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Motherfucker.
joe rogan
I had to ask the guy who worked there.
I go, hey man, why are they booing John Cougar Mellencamp?
And he's generally thought of as a liberal and like a fake Indiana person.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, like he's sold out.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
Yeah, Indiana's conservative.
joe rogan
Yeah, real conservative.
greg fitzsimmons
That's where the KKK was born.
joe rogan
But he's Jack and Diane.
Like, you're not going to cheer for a guy from your town?
greg fitzsimmons
Little pink houses.
joe rogan
Oh my God, yeah.
But Jack and Diane, come on, son.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There he is.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Time's a motherfucker.
Time wins.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I mean, he's one of those guys that when he was around, when we were around in the 80s, and I was like, you know, they were pop songs.
They didn't really register.
He was a little bit laughable to me.
And then you get older and you just have to respect.
You know, it's almost like, somebody brought this up the other day, Hall& Oates.
We were a fucking laughing stock.
And now I listen to some of their songs, it's like, it's a fucking good song.
joe rogan
You know what a lot of it is?
There's something, like, go back to that picture that you just showed.
There's something about a guy who can even pull this off that I cannot root for.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He is sitting in a convertible car.
He has beautiful hair.
His arms are up.
He has a sleeveless shirt on.
He has some sort of a bracelet on.
And he's hanging back with his feet up.
He's super confident and casual.
And he's a beautiful man.
And he's singing about love and all these different things.
And there's part of you at that age.
You look at it and you're like, this is ridiculous.
jamie vernon
The cowboy boots are selling this picture, though, too.
If he had Nikes on, it wouldn't be the same kind of photo.
joe rogan
Cowboy boots are important to be down home.
He's got an old ass car too.
You think John Cougar Mellencamp can't afford a new car?
Why has he got that fucking old car?
Because the old car is like down home.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got a car that makes noise when you start it up.
It's like some old, like, MG or some shit like that.
Like, you wouldn't really drive that.
He's probably like, get this stinky piece of shit away from me.
This fucking shitty car with bad brakes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, where's my fucking...
Where's my Porsche?
joe rogan
Where's my Maserati?
greg fitzsimmons
He, uh...
At one point, he changed his name from John Cougar Mellencamp...
No.
From John Cougar to John Cougar Mellencamp.
I think it had something to do with his label, was trying to market him as John Cougar.
joe rogan
Well, his real name is John Mellencamp.
And when they were making his first album come out, they're like, we're going to change your name.
Mellencamp's not going to sell.
We're going to call you John Cougar.
John Cougar.
It sounds American.
Sounds like rugged.
I mean, you got boots on, brother?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're a cougar.
You are a cougar.
And so they sell it as John Cougar.
And then he's like, hey, man, I want to be John Mellencamp.
Like, no, you can't do it.
How about John Cougar Mellencamp?
Okay.
greg fitzsimmons
The worst name of all time.
joe rogan
John Cougar Mellencamp.
Like, did he get married?
greg fitzsimmons
Did he marry himself?
joe rogan
Did he marry a dude and now he's in Mellencamp and he's hyphenated it?
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, is it Mellencamp or is it Mellencamp?
joe rogan
Do you remember Mike Sullivan Irwin?
greg fitzsimmons
Of course.
joe rogan
He was the first guy I ever met that took his wife's name.
greg fitzsimmons
He did?
joe rogan
His name was Mike Sullivan.
Her name was Irvin.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
And he became Mike Sullivan Irvin.
greg fitzsimmons
Jesus.
joe rogan
Whoops.
First guy I ever met that called himself a feminist, too.
Interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, women don't even call themselves feminists anymore.
I was asking...
Because I've been asking women...
When did that end?
joe rogan
I just was online.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it's like...
How are you not a feminist?
If you're a woman, isn't that just saying I want to have equal pay for equal work?
joe rogan
It's saying, first of all, you most certainly are thinking very strongly and often about women's issues, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Which I guess you have to, if you're a woman, but realistically, you should probably be thinking of the humanity as a whole, right?
You shouldn't be really focused on one gender.
Just hear me out for a second if you're getting mad.
If we're all completely concentrating on one specific gender, like female, the concerns only of the female, you're automatically breaking yourself off into a team.
This is like those guys that are men's rights guys.
That's all they talk about.
That's all they tweet about.
That's all they want to talk about is men's rights.
Men are getting fucked over in this country.
They're forming natural teams.
It's like a Windows user who's getting mad at PC or who's getting mad at Macs.
It's a weird thing that people start doing when you lock people into any sort of one or the other, like right wing versus left wing, you know, like people who are straight edge versus people who like to party.
You get these locked in ideologies, and that's a big one, man.
That's a big one.
The gender one's a big one.
greg fitzsimmons
But PCs are not making less money than Macs.
joe rogan
See, that's the thing about that whole narrative about women making less money than men.
I don't know if you've ever investigated it, but I had a long conversation with a good friend of mine about it recently where he was saying it wrong, too.
This is the reality.
The reality is when they do these gender income disparity studies, They're giving you the impression that a man and a woman are working next to each other and they're doing the same job and the woman's making 77 cents to the man's dollar.
That's not what the study showed.
What the study showed is that overall the men earned more money than the women did if they were both working.
And it didn't mean that they were doing the same job.
In fact, it means the opposite.
Men were choosing jobs that are much more high risk.
They were working longer hours.
So you're comparing women who worked on an average of 35 hours to men who worked 40 hours plus.
And doing different jobs.
So it wasn't, but this is the study.
The study is not that two people, like you're an accountant and she's an accountant, and you both do the exact same job, the exact same workload, and you make $100 where she makes $77.
greg fitzsimmons
But that's how everybody reports.
Yeah, but that's one study.
There's other studies that show, like, categorically, Walmart was paying the same job they were paying women less.
joe rogan
That's entirely possible.
Given individual companies, it could be sexist, for sure.
Right.
100%.
But that's not what gets spit out.
Everybody spits out that women make 77 cents to every man's dollar.
It's just not true.
It's not like they're doing the same jobs.
I mean, you could argue that...
One of the best arguments about it was that they were saying that women...
Being less confident or less likely to be assertive early on and negotiate a good salary for themselves, and that could be an issue.
But over time, that sort of balanced itself out with performance.
This was the...
There's a hypothesis that was thrown around by one article, but the overall numbers are not what everybody says.
Everybody loves to say those numbers.
They love to harp those numbers back at you.
They'll say, you know, a woman makes 77 cents to every man's dollar.
It's a sexist world.
But it's not.
It's not what's going on.
It might be still a sexist world, but that's not.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, now you've got to factor in maternity leave, and there's things that are just, you know, going to hold a woman back from making more money because she's going to lose her place in line, basically, by taking maternity leave.
I get that.
But there's been plenty of studies of CEOs that are making...
There's a disparity in what CEOs of major companies...
When they look at the same size companies making the same profits every year...
And then you've got the woman making, you know, consistently...
70 cents on the dollar is generous for some of those jobs.
joe rogan
I don't know about that study.
I don't know if that's true.
But, again, you're talking about CEOs...
And this is a very rare segment of the population I don't think needs any sympathy.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, any woman who's a CEO is probably making some fucking ridiculous amount of money in the first place, and it's always over-exaggerated how much money they make.
But wouldn't a company be ridiculous if they paid a woman less money and she's making them more money?
Like, wouldn't she leave and go somewhere where she would make more money?
Like, if she's that good, if she's competing with men and going right up against them.
This is the argument, right?
I don't have the answer, because I'm obviously just reading these statistics and reading what these people have said, but I would imagine there's some deep-seated sexism that is almost impossible to overcome.
Men don't want women as bosses for the most part.
unidentified
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
It's subconscious, some of it.
joe rogan
But whether or not that's responsible for women making less money in the same jobs, apparently not according to the numbers.
According to the numbers, a lot of it is the choosing of different paths in life as far as careers.
That's why this push to get women into STEM, that's why this push to get women into technology, like tech, like Silicon Valley, there's this big disparity between men and women.
But that disparity is like real similar to how it is in a lot of tech.
It's like most women don't gravitate towards those jobs.
But if they do, they find them, there's not that many women as opposed to men.
It's much, much, I think tech, like look this up, like what is Silicon Valley?
greg fitzsimmons
What are the disparities?
It's a real problem.
joe rogan
Is it a problem, though?
But this is the question.
That's something that people always parrot and repeat, that it's a problem.
I don't know if it's a problem or if it's how women naturally navigate towards different careers than men do.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, look, none of this stuff is black and white.
I think that's part of it.
I think part of it is also when women have role models, they think, oh, well, I want to be like.
I think now that you've got some big corporate CEOs, the woman that wrote that book, Lean In, and from...
Whatever.
I think it allows women to visualize, you know, and that's why I think it's important that Hillary Clinton, when she's president, as much as I'm not a fan of hers, I think it will accomplish setting a new goal for women.
joe rogan
Look at this one, though.
In Silicon Valley, men 69% more likely to receive higher salary offer.
So for their initial first salary, 69% more likely.
I wonder.
You know, I get there's got to be some discrimination when you think about a woman that wants to get pregnant and have a family and she's going to take time off work and if you're going to have to give her maternity leave, that's going to be unproductive money that your company has to give out.
It's interesting, man.
That lady sued.
She sued.
That is, I forget her name.
Yeah, she sued.
greg fitzsimmons
Margaret Cho?
joe rogan
No, she didn't sue Margaret Cho.
She sued some company.
Was it Google?
Microsoft?
Who the fuck did she sue?
She sued someone, I think it was Google, for gender discrimination and lost.
jamie vernon
She wasn't the Reddit.
joe rogan
Yeah, she was Reddit after that.
She went to Reddit after that, and people were upset that she went over there after she was, they thought, running what appeared to be a frivolous lawsuit.
I don't know if it was frivolous, but it lost.
Look, I wouldn't want to be a chick working with a bunch of dudes.
I'll tell you that right now.
Whether it's sexist or not.
I would not want to be a woman in an office with nine other dudes that are scrapping and scraping to try to climb the corporate ladder, and I got to compete with these ass fucks, and they're all out playing golf and talking shit about my ass.
He showed up at work every day with these cunts.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard.
greg fitzsimmons
But it's good for the guys.
I hate workplaces that are all guys.
I've written on shows.
I wrote on Bill Maher's show for a while, and it was all dudes talking like dudes, and they start out-duding each other.
You throw one woman in the room, and all of a sudden, everybody just fucking mellows out a little bit, and I think it's more productive.
joe rogan
Look at you.
Equal opportunity, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Absolutely.
unidentified
Equal opportunity, Fitzsimmons!
That's what he does.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you fuck him in the bathroom!
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, it's impossible to generalize in big, broad, sweeping brushes, you know, the difference between men and women.
There's so much variety.
And there's so many people that are women that would thrive in high-pressure, high-stress situations alongside men.
And so many women that just won't.
That's not their thing.
They don't want to do it.
If you put them in there, they'd hate their fucking life.
How many people, if they had to do what you do, would be in hell every day?
Shitting their pants, sweating, nervous, can't come up with a joke, don't think anything they have to say is interesting, can't string the words together correctly, they get on a podcast like this, we don't fucking plan a goddamn thing.
We've already been going for three hours and twenty minutes.
greg fitzsimmons
Shut the fuck up!
joe rogan
What are the time?
It's almost five.
greg fitzsimmons
Holy shit!
It just flies by, kid!
God damn!
joe rogan
It flies by!
They'd be shitting their pants.
But you'd be shitting your pants if you had to be a fucking accountant.
Go over people's taxes.
greg fitzsimmons
And then having to work...
Here's the thing about those guys.
They gotta show up to work every day and work all day, almost non-stop, finish, go home, do it again the next day.
unidentified
Every day.
greg fitzsimmons
Every day.
joe rogan
And you gotta bring home work on the weekend.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what freaks me out.
joe rogan
Bob, we've got to get this account done.
I hate to do this to you, but I need you on the phone 24-7 all this weekend.
unidentified
But my kids, my birthday, listen, this company, this company needs ya!
greg fitzsimmons
Phone under the pillow, asshole.
Meanwhile, what'd you do today?
Did you work out?
joe rogan
Yes, I did.
So did I. Shot bows and arrows.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Went out there and did a little archery.
greg fitzsimmons
My point is proven.
You shot bows and arrows.
How many accountants got to fucking take a little bow and shoot it at a target?
joe rogan
It's therapy.
It's good.
Speaking of which, that's it.
That's my bow.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
We gotta play some motherfucking pool.
So let's end this podcast.
Greg Fitzsimmons brought his pool cue.
greg fitzsimmons
Yo.
Hey, I meant to ask you something.
joe rogan
Please do.
greg fitzsimmons
Should I ask you on the air or off the air if you can do a benefit?
joe rogan
Oh, you should definitely do it on the air and put me on the spot.
greg fitzsimmons
Put you on the spot for October 16th.
We're doing a benefit for Best Buddies, which is a group I work with for special needs people.
Intellectually disadvantaged people, we call them now.
joe rogan
The 16th is a Sunday?
greg fitzsimmons
At the Comedy Store main room.
joe rogan
I'm in!
greg fitzsimmons
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
I'm in!
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, fucking great.
joe rogan
I'm in!
greg fitzsimmons
Tickets are on sale by the time you listen to this goddamn podcast.
joe rogan
Greg Fitzsimmons benefit.
I'm a grown-up now.
I'm doing this now from now on, folks.
I'm actually putting things in my calendar immediately.
greg fitzsimmons
Nice.
I'll email you to remind you.
joe rogan
I kept going, I'll fucking get to it.
I'll get to it.
And then I don't.
greg fitzsimmons
Chrysler's doing it, too.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
That's it.
You fuckers, this podcast is over.
Greg Fitzsimmons is awesome.
Go see him live.
Go see him live.
We'll probably be back Saturday with a fight companion for a daytime fight.
It's Saturday.
It's at noon.
I think it's at noon LA time.
So Saturday, we'll see you, you fuckers.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Thank you, everybody.
Appreciate you.
unidentified
Bye.
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