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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - August 6, 2016
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brendan schaub
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bryan callen
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eddie bravo
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joe rogan
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benjamin jaffe
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joe rogan
Two.
One.
unidentified
Yes!
Fight Companion 2016 returns, ladies and gentlemen, live from Salt Lake City.
Yair Rodriguez versus Alex Caceres.
joe rogan
A real slobber knocker.
bryan callen
A slobber knocker.
joe rogan
So with me here, if you've never heard the Fight Companion before, you're like, oh great, what's a Fight Companion?
It's sort of a podcast.
It is definitely a podcast.
But we're sort of watching the fights and calling the fights, but probably most likely not that much.
But it's fun.
bryan callen
And the nonsense meter hits red hot.
joe rogan
It gets as high as it ever gets.
bryan callen
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Ever.
bryan callen
Sometimes it breaks.
joe rogan
In the history of us.
Yeah.
Edgy Brahe is here.
bryan callen
Edgy Brahe.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo.
eddie bravo
Hello.
joe rogan
Fresh out of recovery.
His fucking back is beautiful.
Really?
Ladies and gentlemen, there's some fucking new technology going on.
Eddie Bravo has his disc replaced.
We're going to get to that.
Brian Callen is here.
Holla, Eddie!
bryan callen
Clean shaven.
Clean shaven.
All pro-P shit out.
eddie bravo
Look at that hair.
joe rogan
You look beautiful.
bryan callen
Thanks, buddy.
joe rogan
I appreciate that.
Brandon motherfucking Schaub is in the building.
bryan callen
The biggest, strongest guy in the room.
unidentified
Holla.
bryan callen
And handsome and young and shit.
joe rogan
He's like a gorilla.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
I gotta show you guys something because yesterday changed my fucking world.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
I did Duncan Trussell's...
Duncan Trussell?
I did Duncan Trussell's podcast and he introduced me to the world of virtual reality goggles.
Holy shit.
I'm gonna show you something.
I'm gonna show you this game.
This is a boxing game.
Look up in the upper left hand corner.
eddie bravo
Alright.
joe rogan
This is a boxing game, so I have these gloves on, and it's kind of wacky because the gloves aren't the way you punch.
You're holding onto these handles, and I'm fighting this Russian boxing coach dude.
bryan callen
Your punching looks good.
joe rogan
It's okay, but here's what's goofy about it.
In order for your fists to be level, like parallel with the ground, you have to hold them like this.
brendan schaub
Joystick, almost.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you're looking at your...
If you're holding your hands like this...
bryan callen
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
If you're holding your hands with the heel of your hand facing the ground...
Like your ski pole.
Right, like your skiing.
If you're holding your hands like that, your punches are parallel with the floor.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
So it's twisted.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, that's weird.
eddie bravo
For sure fix that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They should make it so that you could hold your hand like an actual punch.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So like, wherever your hands are, that's where your gloves are.
So I'm holding it like this and I'm punching like this.
It's real weird.
Because you're not...
bryan callen
It looks like really good exercise though, right?
eddie bravo
Oh, it's real good exercise.
brendan schaub
Is that a prototype?
joe rogan
No, it's a new shit.
unidentified
You can go out and buy that too?
joe rogan
Yes, you can buy that.
There's a bunch of games for these things now, but here's my point.
I was moving around this guy.
He's throwing punches at me.
I'm moving around.
I kept hitting him in the back of the head.
I would sneak around behind him and beat him in the back of the head and uppercut him.
And I'm doing this, and I'm like, oh, my footwork's all awkward.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I felt weird, like I'm in this virtual world.
But after I did it a few times, I started to get the feeling of it.
I was like, this is an amazing shadowboxing program.
brendan schaub
That's pretty sick.
unidentified
That's amazing.
joe rogan
I think you can do Muay Thai with it, too.
I think you could have it so that you could throw kicks, because it was getting me, it was getting all my movement from these two cameras that Duncan has set up in the room.
They're motion detectors.
So the cameras, they scan you when you're standing there, and then they build a perimeter around you, and there's a blue line on the ground.
You look down, and you're in this 3D world, but you see this blue line on the ground.
You can't go past that blue line, because that's the amount of free space that you have in your area.
Wow.
brendan schaub
So sick.
unidentified
Dude!
brendan schaub
Can you imagine if you could download the opponent you're going to fight and they can shadowbox against them?
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's exactly what Duncan was saying.
What he was saying is if you could make a training simulation of a guy, you could fight him a hundred times before you ever actually fight him.
You can get comfortable with seeing him in front of you.
And I'm telling you, man, what I was looking at was kind of cartoonish, like this Russian boxing guy's kind of cartoonish.
He's got a wife beater on and headgear and shit.
It's kind of cartoonish.
It doesn't have to be.
It's only cartoonish now.
You could get to a point within a few years where you're going to be boxing a guy that looks exactly like Joe Schilling.
brendan schaub
And has his tendencies.
You know how big of a deal that would be?
joe rogan
You can do that.
That can be done.
brendan schaub
How big of an advantage that would be?
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
Well, it would certainly be a great training tool.
brendan schaub
Well, this looks like Wolfenstein, but we've got a ways to go.
joe rogan
But look at this.
This is what it looks like.
See, so your gloves, it's weird.
You have to kind of turn your gloves off.
Funky.
So that they look normal on the screen.
eddie bravo
Right.
joe rogan
But other than that, it's kind of dope.
It's fun to do.
And I'll tell you what, this isn't nearly as fun as the archery program.
There was an archery one when you're in a castle, and you're on a roof, and you hear...
And these fucking warriors come storming at you, and they have helmets on, and they have shields, and you're shooting arrows at them.
bryan callen
Sounds so sick.
It's the same handles, though, right?
joe rogan
The same goofy handles, but there's haptic feedback, so this is the archery one that I was playing.
brendan schaub
Those graphics are fucking tough, though, Joe.
unidentified
It's like Nintendo 64. They're a little tough.
joe rogan
It's because you're dealing with massive amounts of rendering in real time.
Right.
360 degrees, up and down.
And these are all new things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you get to use them.
But I was jacking these motherfuckers up.
brendan schaub
Ooh, headshot, son.
bryan callen
What are you, a Mongol on horseback?
joe rogan
I am, I am.
So it's weird.
So when you pull the bow back, there's no resistance, but there's this vibration.
It's like shaking as you pull it back.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
So it really feels like you're pulling it back.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it gets to the point where it's locked out, you feel it, like, click.
brendan schaub
That's pretty fucking cool.
joe rogan
Dude, it's dope!
I shot this stupid fucking game until my arms were so sore they were shaking.
bryan callen
I was going to say, now gamers are probably going to look like MMA fighters.
Or at least runners.
They're going to be in shape.
joe rogan
But I think, man, if you remember those Dance Dance Revolution kids that were losing like 30 pounds playing Dance Dance...
Okay, first fight is on.
It's between two ladies.
We do not have their names yet.
Jamie, can you pull up the card so we'll let people know?
bryan callen
So I've seen this tall woman fight in, I think, Tough.
joe rogan
Round one of three.
It's at 443-210.
brendan schaub
Powerful rash guard.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, they've just passed new rules today.
They're going to make women wear tight-fitting clothing.
They're not going to allow loose-fitting clothing.
brendan schaub
Who's ever worn loose?
joe rogan
This girl's got shorts.
I mean, how tight are those?
I think they should all wear spandex.
I think men should, too.
I've seen guys grab shorts.
You have, too.
If you go back to the Chael Sonnen-Anderson Silva fight, there's a famous picture of Anderson Silva pulling Chael Sonnen shorts down.
bryan callen
I feel like in the last year alone, I feel like women have gotten exponentially better.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Is that true?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's some fucking beasts.
brendan schaub
Damn, she's jacked in that picture.
joe rogan
Okay, so we got Marina Moroz.
Is it Marina, you think?
bryan callen
Marina Moroz.
joe rogan
And Danielle Taylor.
bryan callen
From Ukraine.
eddie bravo
Iron Lady.
joe rogan
There's a lot of women from the Ukraine, man.
A lot of those hard-ass Soviet bloc women.
bryan callen
Come from those boxing programs.
joe rogan
Dude, Valentina Shevchenko, the woman who just beat Holly Holm, she's so solid, man.
She's so solid.
brendan schaub
She's gonna be trouble.
Her counter, she's got it in her DNA where she's throwing them spinning back fist counters.
eddie bravo
She's got that down better than anybody I've seen, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, she does everything, man.
She does that real good.
She's got that sweet counter right hook.
Poor Holly, man.
That girl's a multiple-time Muay Thai champion.
So, like, the girls who are going to give her problems are not the girls like Holly.
Girls like Holly, like, Holly's going to, like, stand there and strike with her, and Valentina has so much fucking striking experience.
The girls who are going to give Shevchenko problems are the girls who are going to be looking to take her down.
A girl is not going to just stand in front of her.
A girl is going to present a bunch of options.
Misha Tate, the striking would be an issue.
brendan schaub
She can grapple her ass off though.
joe rogan
She can scramble her ass off.
bryan callen
So can Shevchenko.
joe rogan
Shevchenko can wrestle really well.
brendan schaub
She's strong.
She's not like Misha's love as far as grappling goes.
joe rogan
But when she fought Sarah Kaufman in her first fight, she out-grappled her.
She kind of did.
brendan schaub
Surprised her with the takedowns.
joe rogan
She did surprise her.
And she took that fight on super short notice, if I remember.
She's a beast, man.
brendan schaub
I feel like Holly's hesitant lately.
joe rogan
Hey, man.
She has tough matchups.
No joke, dude.
And she kept cracking her with that counter right hook.
That lead counter hook.
She kept taking her head off the center line and just dropping that right hook in.
brendan schaub
She's a world-class striker, man.
So is Holly, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
She is.
But don't you think that Holly is in more of a boxing world?
Like, she's a 19-time boxing champion.
Like, Holly's boxing.
Like, as far as her footwork, her speed, her movement, especially her counters.
Like, when someone's going after her, she's brilliant as a counter striker.
bryan callen
I feel like Holly is the fastest, probably the fastest striker as far as just being able to get her shots off.
Like if you were to time from when she throws to somebody's face.
joe rogan
She's certainly fast, but I mean, in her weight class, maybe she's the fastest.
brendan schaub
Or one of the fastest.
Yoana's going, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, Yoana's faster.
brendan schaub
Shut your fucking mouth, Yoana.
bryan callen
This is true.
joe rogan
You ever seen Yoana do those videos on Twitter where her trainer's holding pads and she's ripping into them?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It looks fake.
joe rogan
Dude.
She's insane.
bryan callen
Yeah.
unidentified
Ta-da-da-da!
joe rogan
She's the best striker in the UFC. Jamie, see if you can pull some of those up.
If you can try to spell her name.
bryan callen
You think she's the best striker in the UFC even among guys?
brendan schaub
I do.
bryan callen
That's a huge thing to say.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
Well, I would say Wonderboy would argue with that.
And I would say that there's a few other fighters that are just strikers.
Overeem being K-1 Grand Prix champion.
But you know what, man?
The real problem is saying she's the best or one person's the best.
It's so subjective, especially if they're never going to fight each other.
We all love to do it.
bryan callen
It also depends the caliber of person you're fighting, too.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Look at this.
She's doing these sprawls, and she's getting up, firing combinations.
brendan schaub
You look at pure technique, though, man.
She's a fucking nightmare.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
She's so sharp.
brendan schaub
In the fight, too?
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's super sharp.
brendan schaub
You don't see Overeem with that same technique.
Granted, he's a K-1 world champion.
It's different, too.
It's hard to compare.
115-pound girl, 200-gillion-pound man.
It's kind of tough.
joe rogan
He smoked Junior Dos Santos with one shot.
bryan callen
200-gillion-pound man.
I don't know why that's funny to me.
joe rogan
He smoked Junior Dos Santos with one left hook.
I mean, Alistair Overeem is a beast.
Oh, God.
Yes, he's a beast of the beast.
It's hard to look at him the same way you look at anybody else, because first of all, he's in a division where anyone connects, everybody goes night-night, right?
Correct.
bryan callen
So you're fighting differently.
joe rogan
It's such a totally different kind of world.
brendan schaub
We don't see his technique, because one of his jabs will knock a motherfucker out, so you don't see five rounds of over him like you do with Johanna.
Johanna will go the distance, and her technique will be flawless.
Minute one in the first round to minute one in the next.
You know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
But she can also tend to be...
Somebody at that size can afford to be and take more chances and actually stand in the pocket and throw.
Whereas you guys, at your weight, you've got to be so careful because one mistake...
Don't say you guys.
brendan schaub
I got out of that bullshit.
bryan callen
I'm saying heavyweights.
The margin for error seems like it's so much smaller.
100%.
joe rogan
You're totally right.
brendan schaub
100%, Brian.
joe rogan
I think that these guys, you know, you're looking at, like, Ben Rothwell.
Like, Ben Rothwell knocked out Overeem in the first round.
And now Overeem is going to be fighting for the title against Stipe.
But Ben Rothwell just got, like, a full five-round beating by Junior Dos Santos.
brendan schaub
He got dealt with.
joe rogan
Junior Dos Santos boxed his face off.
It was crazy.
It was like, the best Junior has looked in years.
bryan callen
And kicked him.
Front kicked him.
joe rogan
And then you've got to think that Alistair knocked out Junior.
I agree.
So the MMA math in the heavyweight division is bananas.
Yep.
brendan schaub
Silly.
Super silly, yeah.
joe rogan
Everyone is so powerful.
Everyone's so big.
Like, Stipe knocking out Verdum like that.
unidentified
Nuts.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
This is a crazy-ass division in the craziest sport.
bryan callen
And it's also an older division.
That's what's amazing to me.
Do we know any young heavyweights who are 21, 22, like that age, even in the mix?
joe rogan
Well, I'll tell you who everybody should be putting their attention on.
brendan schaub
Can I guess?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Go ahead.
brendan schaub
Derek Lewis?
joe rogan
Francis Ganot.
brendan schaub
Oh, you're talking about the...
unidentified
The Cameroon dude who's a natural 2.0?
What?
joe rogan
Dude.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
We haven't seen him grapple, though.
joe rogan
Cameroon.
Dude, he's a fucking powerful man.
brendan schaub
He looks like straight Predator.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, when that dude moves in on guys and he throws bombs on them, I'm just, I'm waiting for a really solid opponent for him.
Because, like, we have not seen him tested.
brendan schaub
He's fought all scrubs.
And starched him.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have not seen him tested, but I'll tell you, look at him up there.
Dude, I'm telling you.
And he's got very sharp technique.
bryan callen
How old is he?
joe rogan
He's young.
brendan schaub
He's not that young, is he?
joe rogan
I think he's 28. How old is he?
brendan schaub
I would say 28's young.
joe rogan
It's in the heavyweight division, it's young.
I think in the heavyweight division, guys just need more time.
bryan callen
Francis Nagano.
joe rogan
29. 29. So he's damn near 30. Yeah, he'll be 30 in September, actually.
brendan schaub
He's a monster, though.
joe rogan
I think he's in his prime, for sure, as an athlete.
brendan schaub
We don't know what he can do.
I'd like to see him versus Derrick Lewis.
I would love to see that.
joe rogan
Derrick Lewis looked so good in that Roy Nelson fight.
Goddamn, he looked good.
brendan schaub
That's a tough fight, too, man.
joe rogan
He looked good, man.
His combinations were fast.
He looked really improved.
You know how you see a guy fight and you go, whoa, this guy hit another level.
That's how I felt with Derrick Lewis.
bryan callen
Was he the guy who got knocked out by Metreon?
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
He just wasn't ready for that.
But that Roy Nelson's a huge step.
And to go three rounds with Roy, there couldn't be a better thing for his career.
Because he's just starching guys.
You don't learn shit, trust me.
You don't learn shit.
And then you go three rounds with a vet like Roy.
joe rogan
I was just so impressed with his combinations.
That's what I was most impressed with.
Wow, the way he's putting it together.
And his endurance, too.
brendan schaub
Because I thought he was just a meathead throwing bombs.
No, no, no.
unidentified
If you look at his previous side, it's kind of like, alright, he's just a big, powerful guy.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he lands right hand, the guy's going to sleep.
But you look at Roy, you're like, shit, he's putting combos together, man.
Yeah, he This cardio is decent.
eddie bravo
Oh, she got clipped.
joe rogan
Yeah, he put real good combinations together.
brendan schaub
I'd like to see him versus your boy, the predator.
joe rogan
That would be a very interesting fight.
He's had much more experience against higher level guys, I guess you'd say, right?
Mitrione and now Roy Nelson.
brendan schaub
Mitrione's tough guy got starched, so he didn't get a lot of experience.
He didn't really learn from it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
But how many fights has Derrick had now in the UFC? I want to say four?
brendan schaub
Probably five, right?
The thing is, with both those guys, if you give them...
You know, because when you get to the top, not every guy's going to sit there and bang with you.
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
You can get a wrestler.
joe rogan
See, but the thing about Gano is his Muay Thai.
What makes me super interested in him, not just is his speed, his size, his ability to put guys away, like what we're seeing.
I mean, he puts guys away.
But it's also the way you're watching them move.
Very, like, fluid athlete.
Like, when he's doing things, everything's...
He's smooth.
And he throws hard fucking kicks, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, the only X factor with him is the grappling.
joe rogan
Yeah, so Derek's had four more wins.
He beat Gabriel Gonzaga, he beat Grabowski, and he beat Victor Beska before he fought Nelson.
Looks good, man.
He looks real good, dude.
Real good.
brendan schaub
Four fight, win streak, and getting wins over Gonzaga and Nelson, two vats.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember that fight with Sean Jordan, too, but I think Sean Jordan hook kicked him in the head.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
brendan schaub
That was crazy.
joe rogan
That was the first time anybody has ever, and he's a huge guy, but the first time anybody ever, like, hay-oed somebody with a hook kick.
I don't think so.
Did he?
Sean Jordan?
brendan schaub
I feel like he did.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Wow.
brendan schaub
Great guy, though.
joe rogan
Really nice guy.
brendan schaub
And he was short for a heavyweight, man.
bryan callen
He's a large man.
joe rogan
He's a tank, though.
bryan callen
What is he?
brendan schaub
Played football at LSU fullback on the national championship team.
joe rogan
By the way, he could do backflips.
bryan callen
What?
brendan schaub
Very easily.
joe rogan
He's 260. That's ridiculous.
bryan callen
That's a backflip.
joe rogan
Fucking sticks it.
bryan callen
That is stupid.
brendan schaub
And he's nice as fuck.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
brendan schaub
Great guy.
eddie bravo
What's up?
Is it easier to become untakedownable as a heavyweight or as a lightweight or a welterweight?
No.
bryan callen
Probably depends on who you're wrestling on.
eddie bravo
At heavyweight, there's a lot less explosive guys that are going to take you down.
brendan schaub
I disagree with that.
eddie bravo
Really?
brendan schaub
There's some explosive fucking guys at heavyweight, man.
joe rogan
Taking shots, though.
There's this Russian dude who's going to join the ranks of MMA after the Olympics.
You know what I'm talking about?
The Russian heavyweight dude?
bryan callen
Not Karelin.
joe rogan
Just pull this motherfucker up.
Pull this guy up.
brendan schaub
Everybody's fucked.
bryan callen
Those Russian scientific experiments that live in Siberia.
joe rogan
This dude is so good.
He's so technical.
And so fucking stupid strong.
He's freestyle.
brendan schaub
Freestyle.
joe rogan
His fucking takedowns are ruthless.
He runs through guys.
He just keeps running backwards.
He just keeps running forwards.
Just tripping.
I'm hitting one takedown after the next.
eddie bravo
Who can do that in the heavyweight division right now?
bryan callen
Well, there he is.
brendan schaub
Cain Velasquez.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pull up video of the homeboy and give me his full name because I don't want to butcher his name.
bryan callen
He's not hearing a peep out of any wrestler he comes up against.
Not a peep.
brendan schaub
Well, MMA's different.
joe rogan
MMA wrestling's different.
Bilyal Makov.
Is that how you say it, Brian?
How do you say that?
bryan callen
I would say it's Bilyal Makov.
joe rogan
So watch this motherfucker wrestle.
He's so fucking fast and so big.
He's 290. And so strong.
And when he gets to MMA, when he gets to MMA, he's running through motherfuckers.
You are not stopping this takedown.
This is not happening.
bryan callen
Oh, what a nightmare.
joe rogan
And for sure he's going to do MMA? Yes, 100%.
100%.
Dude, I'm telling you, he's just going to be throwing dudes around.
They're not going to know what the fuck to do.
brendan schaub
You know how it is, Joe.
MMA wrestling's different than what he's doing, though.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Look, he's going to have more trouble.
There's going to be guys who figure out how to push him off.
They're going to be more defensive.
These guys are forced to engage with him, right?
There's going to be guys that are not going to want to engage with him.
We're going to have much more distance.
eddie bravo
Verdum ain't going to be easy to take down.
joe rogan
That's right.
unidentified
Even when you do take him down, enjoy that.
joe rogan
He's got a problem.
Yeah, he's got a lot of problems.
But he's not going to fight Verdum right off the bat, obviously.
brendan schaub
No, he's going to be on that Derek Lewis and the Francis Ganot track.
joe rogan
And by the way, who's to say this guy can't punch a fucking hole through your universe?
brendan schaub
I'm not saying he can't.
bryan callen
Look at the way he's built.
joe rogan
I bet that guy could throw fucking hammers.
eddie bravo
I want no problems.
bryan callen
Who's to say he's not been boxing anyway since he was eight?
joe rogan
Listen, if he's preparing for the UFC, is this him right here?
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
Oh, don't show me.
This is terrible.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
joe rogan
That doesn't mean anything.
brendan schaub
He just ruined everything.
Elbows in, sir!
joe rogan
He's just shadowboxing.
I want to see him hit something.
brendan schaub
Stiff as fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, his hands are...
What's going on with his wrists?
It's like he's trying to grab people as he's punching them.
eddie bravo
Hey, for the record, I'm not the one laughing.
bryan callen
I was going to say, I'm just watching.
joe rogan
I don't have to find him either.
I think he looks great.
Yeah, see, he's such a big fucking gorilla, though.
He could just haymaker on you.
brendan schaub
True.
He could be on that Brock Lesnar and say, fuck, strike, and check this double leg out.
joe rogan
He's definitely got to work on his kicks, too.
But hey, man, he's a super athlete.
Yeah, that's terrible.
brendan schaub
Goddammit.
joe rogan
His timing's off so bad.
brendan schaub
Yeah, who knows how long ago this is, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, and by the way, he probably could get better in a month.
Like, bring him to Dwayne Ludwig.
bryan callen
Yeah, his learning curve is probably...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
bryan callen
You know, he's such a super athlete.
brendan schaub
He should fly right to AK right now and just be like, what's up?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a fucking super athlete, man.
Look at the size of this fuck.
unidentified
Stop.
eddie bravo
How tall is it?
unidentified
He's so big!
eddie bravo
How tall is it?
unidentified
I don't know.
bryan callen
Probably like 7'8".
joe rogan
Jamie, how big is this fucking gorilla?
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
6'5", 290. Jesus Christ!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
eddie bravo
He's got a lot of weight to lose!
He's got to get to 265!
brendan schaub
6'5", 290!
eddie bravo
How is he going to get to 265?
joe rogan
Because you saw the test better than the Olympics.
brendan schaub
That's what I was going to say!
unidentified
Yusala's going to be sniffing his ass so much.
bryan callen
All wrestling muscle.
joe rogan
This guy's probably on some straight fucking DNA manipulation.
bryan callen
He's out of a movie.
unidentified
He's fucking Bebop and Rock Study from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
joe rogan
He's so far ahead of the curve, they don't even need steroids.
They just put this dude in one of them easy-bake microwave ovens.
brendan schaub
He's like Bane.
joe rogan
He's fucking Bane.
brendan schaub
Good luck with that.
joe rogan
The size of this fucking dude is a big guy.
bryan callen
Just wrestling, just throwing men around.
joe rogan
And the problem is, like, okay, say he does get down to 265 and then he starts fighting in MMA. And if he's 290, I don't know if he competes at 290. Well, he's a heavyweight.
I don't think he has to lose any weight, right?
So maybe if he just watches his diet and incorporates more striking and some running and shit like that, he might get down to 270 anyway and just be able to slide under.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Just get in the steam room, lose a couple 10 pounds?
joe rogan
I don't think it's gonna be that hard.
That guy takes 10-pound shits.
brendan schaub
He has a side of him.
He has a long road ahead of him, either way.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he does.
But, you know what, man?
Guys that become, like, that level world champion at anything that's combat sport related, they figure it out, man.
brendan schaub
Look at DC. Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
DC's a perfect example.
brendan schaub
That guy's a monster.
joe rogan
Perfect example.
bryan callen
Yeah, that kind of work ethic.
brendan schaub
DC's not physically, you know, this big either.
unidentified
Imposing.
brendan schaub
Yeah, imposing at all.
joe rogan
I don't want this guy hitting me.
You don't want this guy hitting you.
If it's that slow, you do.
He might be stiff, dude.
This is a big motherfucker.
You do not want this guy hitting you.
I'm telling you, man, he's not even doing it perfectly yet.
He's off his feet when he's punching.
He's not sitting down enough.
He's not torquing his hips enough.
But good luck if you take one of those on the chin.
That's a big fucking dude, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's getting a lot of people problems.
joe rogan
I mean, if you look at the way he's striking, like fluidity, you want to look at a big, fluid guy?
Look at Rico Verhoeven.
Rico Verhoeven, the Glory Heavyweight Champion?
Yeah, he's doing both, right?
He's gonna fight Badr Hari, though.
brendan schaub
Yes, I saw that.
Badr Hari's my boy!
joe rogan
We should do something for that.
See if you get a clip of that guy fighting.
He's like what you want to see when you look at a heavyweight striker.
So if this gentleman, this Russian gentleman, just figures out how to sit down more on his stuff, he's so athletic!
brendan schaub
Rico's not hearing a peep out of that Russian polar bear.
Not a fucking heap.
unidentified
Well, you don't think that guy can take Rico down?
joe rogan
Fuck no!
brendan schaub
He's that AK just training takedown defense.
unidentified
Oh man.
brendan schaub
Throwing fucking knees to end your world.
joe rogan
I wish I had so much faith.
I don't know, man.
unidentified
Rico and Rico's more of a beast, I think.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker when it comes to kickboxing, for sure.
eddie bravo
My God!
joe rogan
What's interesting about him is his pace.
Because he puts a pace on heavyweights they just can't fuck with, and he's not a little heavyweight.
brendan schaub
No, he's massive.
Look how big his fucking legs are.
joe rogan
Oh!
He's left high-cooking people in the face with his front leg as a heavyweight.
He's a big dude.
brendan schaub
What he's doing is more impressive to me as a big guy.
To be that athletic and smooth and just world-class kickboxer, it's nuts.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's super impressive, but you can't deny how impressive it is that that Russian gentleman is just dominating.
brendan schaub
They're both impressed.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm saying if I have to invest in one, let's say they're both 21 years old, Rico's about to kick your fucking face off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
The other guy's gonna take you down and hump you.
unidentified
He's a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
Well, that guy might, I don't know, he might take you down.
brendan schaub
He might spike it on your neck and...
joe rogan
He might pull your face off.
It helps to put your face off.
bryan callen
Russian stuff.
Will Sasso was telling us about that.
Who was a Samoan wrestler?
He was a WWE guy, and he was so big, he got in a fight in a bar, and he reached into the dude's mouth.
unidentified
Oh, no.
bryan callen
He reached into the dude's mouth with his giant Samoan fingers, and he grabbed the bottom of his teeth and just went, and broke his teeth out of his mouth.
unidentified
King Kong.
bryan callen
Yeah, he just went, hey, you're talking to him.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
bryan callen
Pulled his bottom teeth out, broke them off.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Some big guys.
Hey, you know what this party needs?
Who whine?
joe rogan
I could use a little wine.
brendan schaub
Send out the Brian signal.
joe rogan
I just forgot what the fuck I was going to ask you guys about.
brendan schaub
We're talking about Rico and the Russian barbarian.
joe rogan
I wanted to talk about the Russian doping program.
Because they almost pulled the entire Russian team out of the Olympics.
brendan schaub
Because the government was in on it.
bryan callen
I got a great Russian doping story.
joe rogan
Alright, we'll wait on it.
There's a whole fight going on, we're not even paying attention.
brendan schaub
I didn't see one minute.
joe rogan
This is what a fight companion is.
brendan schaub
No, I've been balls deep in this Russian.
I haven't seen one fucking ounce of this fight.
eddie bravo
Back to this fight real quick, unless you guys got more shit, but you were talking about a new rule change, about tighter clothes and like...
joe rogan
Yeah, there was one of the things that I might have read it wrong.
I want to make sure I get it right, but I believe that one of the new rule changes is no loose clothing for female fighters.
eddie bravo
It's been a problem?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
eddie bravo
If they had to make a rule, you would think that, you know, we got to stop this.
brendan schaub
How are they not going to change the 12-6 elbows?
joe rogan
Might have happened once or twice.
I do not know.
brendan schaub
What the fuck?
You know they changed all these rules, right, Eddie?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
The sanctioned body changed a bunch of rules, like what wins rounds, 10-8 rounds, stuff like that.
And I'm like, sweet, I bet they do 12-6 elbows.
joe rogan
Yeah, they should have done that, but what they did do that's even more interesting, honestly, is this new rule about putting your hands down the mat.
You have to have both your hands flat on the mat, both hands, to constitute being in a position where you can't get kicked or kneed.
eddie bravo
That's better.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
That's way better.
brendan schaub
Way better.
Because it makes it less of a fucking game.
joe rogan
It's real shit.
eddie bravo
I agree.
I think that's the beginning of just crushing that altogether.
joe rogan
Yeah, it needs to be crushed because we have to be honest about what the sport is, okay?
And there's a sport of fighting.
And if you take away some really super effective maneuvers, but you leave in a bunch of other super effective maneuvers, like, we've got to be consistent, and we're not consistent.
And there's a position where you can be kind of safe When you have your hand on the mat, you can't be kneed in the face, you can't be kicked in the face.
But that causes, like, safety-first kind of behavior.
brendan schaub
But also, guys are taking advantage of it.
Playing this weird game.
joe rogan
It's super unrealistic.
eddie bravo
So that's gone from this point on.
You can't do that.
brendan schaub
Both hands.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
It's super unrealistic.
brendan schaub
Yep, and then they're also putting more emphasis on 10-8 rounds.
You're going to see more frequently 10-8 rounds now.
joe rogan
You know, it's like, what if they decided to not...
eddie bravo
Fucking finally.
joe rogan
That's way better.
brendan schaub
The 12-6 elbows, though, is the one thing I went through the list.
I'm like, how the fuck did they not address that?
joe rogan
But they did allow this new rule.
The hands on the mat rule, I think, is going to be more of a factor than even the 12-6 elbow rule.
I think it's very smart that they did it because I think you can still protect yourself in those positions.
You're talking about someone who's trying to make their way back up to their feet, ideally to strike or to grapple again.
It's a transitionary period.
So to say this guy can't kick you in a transitionary moving period, it's stupid.
brendan schaub
It's very stupid.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
No, they also changed open hand policy.
You know John Jones and Travis Brown?
They're going to warn you and they're going to take a point.
If you're fighting with open hands, you're going to have some issues.
joe rogan
That's smart.
I think they should change the gloves.
I really do.
I think they should go back to Pride.
I think they can go back to Pride gloves.
I don't think it's going to be...
I think if you look at the amount of eye pokes in Pride versus the amount of eye pokes in the UFC, I don't think you can compare it to them.
brendan schaub
That's because those guys are so juiced up even if you hit their eyes.
They didn't give a fuck.
There's like sharks.
You shut their eyes like, I don't care.
eddie bravo
You know what other rule I would like changed as well, and this sounds brutal, but when you have someone's back, you should be able to elbow them in the back of the fucking head.
Why can't you?
You can elbow them in the front of the head.
brendan schaub
That's so intense.
eddie bravo
You can elbow them in the front of the head.
brendan schaub
The back of the head's too...
No, no, no, it's too...
eddie bravo
People tap quick.
You know, back in the day when that shit was legal, you didn't even have to have a good rear naked choke.
You get on their back.
You throw a couple of these and dudes just fucking...
brendan schaub
No, I'm a weird.
eddie bravo
They're tapping quick.
brendan schaub
Different game now, my man.
eddie bravo
You can't have that.
Back of the head?
It's a brutal sport.
unidentified
You can head kick someone with your shin in the front of the eyes.
eddie bravo
In the eyes.
That's fine.
Kick them in the eyes, but you can't kick them in the back of the head.
joe rogan
No, but you can kick them in the back of the head.
brendan schaub
That's where it's weird.
joe rogan
When you're fighting, you're standing up.
If you throw a head kick and you hit a guy in the back of the head and he goes to sleep, you don't get penalized at all.
You won by knockout every single time.
eddie bravo
There you go.
It's a brutal sport.
joe rogan
Guys, almost always, when they throw high kicks, you'll see, especially if it goes over the left shoulder, say if you're both standing orthodox, and you throw a right high kick and it goes over the left shoulder, the first place it's hitting is the back of your head a lot of the time.
brendan schaub
It wraps around, too.
eddie bravo
Imagine what everyone's records would look like in the history of MMA if that was never taken out.
There would have been a lot of wins and losses switched up.
Oh, yeah.
People forget that in the beginning when you'd get the back, you didn't even need a rear naked choke.
You just ride the dude and you fuck him up and they tap really quick.
brendan schaub
I'd rather see knees to a down opponent than kicks.
eddie bravo
I don't see what's the big deal with that.
joe rogan
Was it Ben Spiker versus Henzo Gracie?
Is that who it was?
It was a judo guy?
eddie bravo
I remember John Lewis did it to somebody and the guy tapped so quick.
As soon as he took it, John Lewis went, bop!
The guy tapped and was fucking over.
The fight was done.
brendan schaub
Back of the head's tough, Eddie, with the elbows, man.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
joe rogan
But isn't it really effective?
eddie bravo
Can you just explain how people are getting kicked in the back of the head and no one's complaining about that?
brendan schaub
It's because you can't control it.
joe rogan
If you're kicking a guy, if you throw a head kick, And it goes over the shoulder and lands with the instep.
It's almost always hit in the back of the head.
brendan schaub
I agree, but same thing if you're throwing a huge right hand, the guy goes to slip in the back of the head.
But there's no difference.
You can't control that.
You can't control if a guy has...
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter if it's on purpose or on access.
joe rogan
It does, though.
unidentified
It's happening.
joe rogan
We just saw a guy get head kicked.
It's happening.
It was just exactly what we were looking at.
Someone did a cartwheel kick and kicked the back of someone's head.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yair did.
Yair threw a cartwheel kick.
And it's not intentional.
But that back of the head gets hit all the time with kicks.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gets hit with wheel kicks, too.
eddie bravo
A lot.
joe rogan
All the time.
eddie bravo
What do you think hits with a harder impact?
One of those kicks that you're talking about?
Or when you're riding on someone's back and you're throwing an elbow?
Those aren't nearly as hard as the head kicks.
joe rogan
They're not nearly as hard.
eddie bravo
The head kicks are way harder.
joe rogan
But you're stationary and you're really stuck.
eddie bravo
The dudes are going to go like this now.
Dudes are going to go like this.
joe rogan
They should shell up and they've got to realize they can't just sit in that position and defend the choke.
brendan schaub
Guys are punching away anyways.
You look at Kane, Travis Brown.
Kane just punches.
They're gonna stop the fight when they get back there.
Guys really aren't going for the choke unless they're jiu-jitsu based.
They're really just raining down punches and they stop the fight.
eddie bravo
There's a big fucking difference between punching someone in the back of the head on the back and then elbowing.
brendan schaub
Yeah, because Elvin, you're gonna have someone's fucking career or smash their skull.
eddie bravo
They're just gonna tap real quick.
joe rogan
Unless you're Rumble Johnson.
Rumble Johnson put Ryan Bader to sleep.
When he had his back in that same way, you know?
I mean, that guy hits so goddamn hard.
brendan schaub
So does Shane Turlin.
joe rogan
Eddie, in a lot of ways, I agree with you.
I mean, we should really consider it.
It is a very effective technique.
The real question is, like, how dangerous is it?
Why is it more dangerous?
I guess it's because the brainstem is there.
Correct.
brendan schaub
There's not as much protection and bone back there.
joe rogan
The brainstem.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
But, well, it seems that that is an area that's vulnerable, much like your eyeballs, much like your temple.
It's like these are vulnerable areas.
And it's real weird to me that we take, like, even if it's the most vulnerable one, why are we taking that spot and not really taking it out of the game either?
Like, you can still hit guys there with head kicks, and you...
brendan schaub
Then why not just kick guys in the dick?
If you want to end the fight, just forget the cup.
Let's just start kicking the dick.
Let's make it a real fight.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
That's where I draw the line.
Where do you stop?
eddie bravo
I draw the line.
unidentified
No, right there.
eddie bravo
You stop at the dick.
joe rogan
Why?
Listen, man.
That's a real good question.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
It is a good question.
eddie bravo
Because without a dick...
joe rogan
Listen, it's a good question.
Because honestly, if you look at the early UFCs, there was a lot of dick fucking kicking.
Yes!
Remember Joe Son?
Do you remember Keith Hackney and Joe Son?
brendan schaub
Fuck yes!
joe rogan
Keith Hackney's in side control dropping bombs on Joe Son's dick bombs.
eddie bravo
Dick bombs, son.
joe rogan
And I'll go you one better than that.
Back of the head is different than your dick.
eddie bravo
That's a big difference.
You can't fuck someone with the back of your head.
joe rogan
I'll go you the most fucked up one ever.
Big Daddy Goodridge.
And the Pedro.
Do you know this one?
brendan schaub
I do.
joe rogan
Big Daddy Goodridge reached into that dude's shorts and crushed his dick and balls.
unidentified
The Pedro.
eddie bravo
We talked about it on the podcast before.
brendan schaub
Crushed it.
It's the Pedro.
joe rogan
Like Play-Doh.
brendan schaub
That fat dick like Play-Doh.
eddie bravo
He turned his nut sack into peanut butter.
brendan schaub
That's what he said.
So that's unacceptable, but back of the head's all good?
That is so awful.
eddie bravo
How do you not understand the difference between your Johnson and the back of your head?
brendan schaub
I'd rather get kicked in the fucking Johnson in the back of my brain.
eddie bravo
Oh, I don't know about that.
That could ruin your dick forever.
You dick a full-blown kick from Mark Hunt or somebody.
unidentified
I'd let him kick my head.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
Pick your poison.
Both aren't good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if he kicks you in the head, your dick might never work again.
brendan schaub
Or you won't remember.
joe rogan
Yeah, you won't even know it again.
eddie bravo
You would choose the dick over the back of the head?
brendan schaub
100%.
eddie bravo
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
That's strong.
eddie bravo
We need to take a poll.
joe rogan
That's strong.
eddie bravo
Dick or the back of the head?
brendan schaub
What part cunt kicks you in the back of the head?
You're not going to remember doing shit.
unidentified
That's true.
eddie bravo
At least you could...
brendan schaub
And the potential he can die.
No one's going to die from being kicked in the dick.
joe rogan
It depends on where is he kicking you in the dick.
brendan schaub
Yeah, is he on the trunk?
joe rogan
What if he kicks you across the...
If your dick is riding high and he kicks you the shin across the top, Bring it.
brendan schaub
I say bring it.
joe rogan
You know, you might be able to deal with that.
It's just going to smash your dick down a little bit and then let it go.
eddie bravo
You might need surgery on it.
brendan schaub
You hit the trunk.
joe rogan
I'm all good, Doug.
unidentified
You got a strong dick, dude.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I got a power dick.
I never work up in football.
I get fucking cleated all the time.
My dick looks like the front of a great white shark nose.
Just battle wounds.
Just a shark nose.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so funny.
Look at that shit!
Jamie's got it up there.
Oh, play it again.
I'm sorry.
brendan schaub
That's what I want!
joe rogan
This is Keith Hackney.
Meanwhile, he could have gone for the Von Flu choke, Eddie Bravo.
brendan schaub
He just said, fuck the Von Flu choke.
joe rogan
The Von Flu is there, son.
The Von Flu is there.
brendan schaub
You don't give a fuck about the Von Flu when you're punching the man's dick off.
joe rogan
I know.
It's amazing how many guys still hold on to the headlock when they get taken down.
brendan schaub
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
They're in side control and they're still clamped down on the headlock.
unidentified
Super amateur.
brendan schaub
Super amateur when I see that.
Drives me fucking nuts.
joe rogan
Last time I saw it get used, though, was OSP. Against Cody Donovan.
brendan schaub
He did it against...
And he also did...
They...
I think...
Oh, no.
He took Cody down.
He was looking for...
Yeah, he did do it against Nikita.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did it to Nikita.
brendan schaub
A lot of power, too.
joe rogan
Fuck, yeah.
That fucking Krilov.
Holy shit.
Did you see him against Ed Herman?
unidentified
That head kick?
joe rogan
Not just the head kick.
It was everything.
He kept kicking his body, kneeing his body, and he just marched forward.
brendan schaub
He's looking good.
Remember, he was a heavyweight.
He started off at a heavyweight.
joe rogan
Dude, that guy's 23. He's like 23, 24. Might be 24. He's trouble.
He's super young and fucking real talented.
brendan schaub
Well, fuck middleweight.
He's middleweight.
joe rogan
He's middleweight.
What do you mean?
brendan schaub
Didn't he fight at middleweight?
joe rogan
No, no.
Light heavyweight.
Yeah, he's light heavyweight.
He's a big boy.
brendan schaub
When did Ed Herman go to light heavyweight?
joe rogan
He went recently.
This is his second fight at light heavyweight.
brendan schaub
Is it really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
God, I feel like it was middleweight.
joe rogan
He won by knockout.
No, Ed Herman's definitely light heavyweight now.
He won by knockout in his last fight before this Krylov fight.
Krilov just, man, he's something.
brendan schaub
He's hit his stride for sure.
joe rogan
His goddamn karate is so good.
He's got that, like, Kilkishin karate style.
That's right, he knocked out Tim Bosch.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
That was that light heavyweight.
This Krilov guy, man, he's something.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's going to be cool to see.
And they need that young blood there, too.
joe rogan
Yep.
brendan schaub
It's great, man.
How about fucking Woodley?
joe rogan
Dude.
brendan schaub
You want to talk about a smart business decision, not fighting, sitting out for that title shot and it paid off.
unidentified
Hey, can you explain to me the UFC deal?
eddie bravo
The selling of the UFC and how that works really?
I know Dana's still on board, right?
He's still part owner?
joe rogan
I honestly have not even asked a single person what the deal is.
eddie bravo
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Isn't it public, though?
joe rogan
Yes.
I know they're selling it.
This is what I know.
They're selling it, and Dana stays on.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
But I don't know what kind of deal he has.
brendan schaub
He's sold.
He's still the president, and the Titas are no longer involved in it.
eddie bravo
At all.
brendan schaub
There's different guys involved.
There's a bunch of people involved now.
But nothing changes, really.
You know what I'm saying?
Dana's still on board as the president.
eddie bravo
He has the power to make all the decisions.
joe rogan
I don't know.
eddie bravo
Not as much power?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I don't know those details.
joe rogan
I don't, you know, I don't know how they did it before.
eddie bravo
Lorenzo and Frank are out.
joe rogan
They're done.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
They went, cha-ching!
brendan schaub
Four billion.
joe rogan
Give us our fucking million.
eddie bravo
Four billion?
brendan schaub
Give us our billions.
We the fuck out.
eddie bravo
Who the fuck bought it?
That agency in Hollywood?
brendan schaub
WME. And some other partners.
joe rogan
I don't know how that works, what they call it.
If it's a new organization that's bought the UFC, I don't know how it works.
If they just came together and formed a new...
brendan schaub
I don't know how that works.
eddie bravo
So there's no more Zufa in the beginning.
No more Zufa.
brendan schaub
No more Zufa.
unidentified
That's gone.
Wow.
brendan schaub
Just UFC. The same company bought the rodeo, too.
joe rogan
And you know what, man?
We, as fans that are sitting here watching the fights right now, we owe the Fertittas everything.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
If they didn't have the balls and the money and the risk-taking acumen, they didn't know when to stay in and when to bail and how they could turn this thing around.
brendan schaub
They're brilliant.
unidentified
Dude!
brendan schaub
They deserve everything.
joe rogan
They are what Eddie and I used to always dream of.
Eddie and I, when we were fans back in the old days, when nobody...
eddie bravo
The dark days.
joe rogan
You couldn't get it.
You couldn't even get it on cable.
It was banned from cable.
You had to get DirecTV.
brendan schaub
I had DirecTV specifically so I could get the UFC. You needed two Scrooge McDucks to go, yeah, we'll see what we can do with this thing.
joe rogan
Dude, those guys, they came in at the perfect time.
It was dead in the water.
And through all their risk-taking and all their just smart business decisions, smart promotional decisions...
brendan schaub
They're brilliant, man.
joe rogan
And then putting together the ultimate fighter.
It's amazing.
brendan schaub
You know what they're going to do?
You know what I think they're going to do?
Their passion is football.
They're going to bring the Raiders to Vegas.
joe rogan
They might.
That's what I think they're going to do.
eddie bravo
Is that what they're trying to do?
You must have heard that.
You can't just make that shit up.
joe rogan
Might be.
They might build a gold spaceship and just fly all over Vegas.
brendan schaub
Or they might build a gold spaceship.
joe rogan
Suntan their dicks.
unidentified
Just a gold spaceship.
Like those fucking Star Trek just fucking circling.
joe rogan
Just like a giant hovercraft and they just fucking swim naked on the roof of it.
brendan schaub
And just fucking teleport mad loads of bitches up.
eddie bravo
Their lives don't, I mean...
brendan schaub
Nothing changes.
eddie bravo
They're still gonna get killer seats at the UFC.
unidentified
Killer seats?
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah, they don't give a fuck about seats.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can sit right next to me.
eddie bravo
Nothing's really going to change with their life.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
They can go backstage anytime.
They can just walk and just be like they are.
brendan schaub
They could buy all of us in here except for Rogan.
They could buy all of us.
joe rogan
Those guys are beautiful.
We owe them.
We owe Frank and we owe Lorenzo.
brendan schaub
Their passion's football though.
joe rogan
We owe them big time.
brendan schaub
Especially Lorenzo.
So that's what I think.
joe rogan
He loves football.
brendan schaub
He loves football.
And their son's a fucking stud at Notre Dame.
joe rogan
He's passionate about MMA too.
But he knows that MMA's...
Their work is done as far as getting it mainstream.
It's on Fox.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's on television all the time.
It is mainstream.
It's a mainstream, crazy, super popular sport.
So, cash out!
brendan schaub
No, you don't get to their level without...
joe rogan
Yeah, they're like, "Look, we got this.
It's good.
brendan schaub
We're good.
joe rogan
I'm giving you guys a fucking killer business.
Give me the cash, and I'm just going to watch it and enjoy it from the outside.
unidentified
Fucking see ya.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm going to go fucking...
eddie bravo
From the exact same seat.
Nothing changes.
brendan schaub
He can enjoy it.
Dana, you good?
You stay here.
We're the fuck out.
joe rogan
You good?
brendan schaub
See ya.
Give us our billions.
joe rogan
He can probably enjoy it more.
You know?
Because you can just relax and enjoy the fights.
eddie bravo
It's great that Dana stayed.
That's great.
I mean, it's...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Made a big difference.
Look at this position.
eddie bravo
And it's great that you stayed, too.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
I came real close to not.
Real close to not.
brendan schaub
Did you really?
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
I know you were telling me that.
I never bought it, John.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was real close.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had to make sure that I was thinking about it correctly.
I really had to spend time thinking about what I was doing.
I definitely knew that I had to reduce the schedule.
There was no way I was going to go back to doing it as many times as I was doing it before.
I don't think it's good for you, man.
I don't think flying that much is good for you.
brendan schaub
Fuck no.
joe rogan
It's just not.
brendan schaub
Nothing.
No, we're not made to be in the air and breathing that recycled air and shit in all the time.
joe rogan
People that are flying every week, like road guys, like comics too, they have this look about them.
brendan schaub
They look like shit.
joe rogan
They look weary.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just don't think it's good for you.
unidentified
And by the way, man, I read about radiation in space.
I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
I'm an expert.
I guess it is radiation though, right?
When you go up in space.
I think it's probably worse.
I hate flying.
I think I read that it's more radiation than you get when you get an x-ray.
Every time you get in a plane.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Let's see if that's true.
I might have made that up.
brendan schaub
And then you're on the plane for what?
12 hours?
14 hours sometimes?
joe rogan
I just went to Italy.
That was at least 12 hours.
brendan schaub
You can keep that shit.
I don't fly along in 5 hours.
5 hours.
joe rogan
But Italy's amazing.
It's worth getting a little radiated.
brendan schaub
Nah.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
brendan schaub
Nah, I won't do it.
unidentified
Real?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
Do you go through...
We have great Italian food in LA. Do you opt out on the security line?
brendan schaub
What?
eddie bravo
Do you opt out on the security line?
brendan schaub
I got the fast pass, son.
joe rogan
What he's saying is opting out of the scanner.
brendan schaub
Hell no, man.
Fucking U.S. of A. They don't let you opt out.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can opt out.
You don't have to go through that scan.
brendan schaub
Oh, but then they pat you down and shit and go through your luggage.
eddie bravo
They feel your dick.
Dude, it's the craziest thing how they're allowed to touch your dick as long as it's with the back of the hand they tell you.
brendan schaub
Yeah, because where are you going to hide shit?
eddie bravo
With the back of my hand, that's where I'm going to hit your sensitive areas.
Is that cool?
brendan schaub
I don't mind.
eddie bravo
As long as it's the back of the hand.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, go ahead.
eddie bravo
I wonder what the reasoning is there.
Like there's less nerves on the back of your hand?
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't feel good.
brendan schaub
It's not as lame.
joe rogan
It's not dirty.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's not as gross.
brendan schaub
It's not as dirty.
unidentified
Exactly.
eddie bravo
It's the back of my head.
If I did this, then oh, now I'm molesting it.
brendan schaub
Well, there you go.
Risk on a flight is small.
joe rogan
It says cosmic rays sound scary, but radiation risk on a flight is small.
See if that was right about you get as much as you get when you get x-rayed.
See if that's correct.
That might be total bullshit.
eddie bravo
You never know what the fuck.
jamie vernon
It says pilots in the flight attendants get twice the incidence of melanoma compared to the general population, which could be part of where that comes from.
brendan schaub
Oh, well, there you go.
Yeah, no shit, sure.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Fuck all that, man.
brendan schaub
Pilots look like shit, too.
You ever seen a handsome pilot?
They all look like, fuck.
joe rogan
You're not supposed to be up that high.
brendan schaub
Hell no, all the time.
joe rogan
Up that high and breathing recycled air and other people's farts.
brendan schaub
And just fucking hanging with a guy next to you for hours.
joe rogan
God damn it.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
Fuck that job.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
We haven't said a word about this fight.
brendan schaub
I haven't seen one fucking...
joe rogan
We haven't seen each other recently.
brendan schaub
We haven't, man.
joe rogan
We get together.
We have so much to talk about.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's a good fight so far, though.
The guy's got his back.
Now, Eddie Bravo, case in point.
Elbows dropping, right?
You get that back mount, you immediately go right here.
unidentified
It's over.
eddie bravo
The fight can be just over.
brendan schaub
Can't have that shit on Fox, son.
joe rogan
Boom, boom, boom.
eddie bravo
Save the back of the head.
joe rogan
But wouldn't it be a position where you would have to protect that, like, really quick?
brendan schaub
Okay, no cup.
How about you just fucking heel kick him in the nuts?
joe rogan
No, but how come, seriously, how come it's okay to heel kick a guy in the temple?
How come it's able to elbow a guy?
I agree.
A guy could have his head sideways, and you could smash down the point of your elbow into his temple, and that's a legal strike.
brendan schaub
Because I think with the brainstem, you don't have as much protection back here.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Right, so it's like the connection.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
The critical connection to the brain?
brendan schaub
Yes.
eddie bravo
The fight would be over here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder, like, what...
I mean, obviously it's dangerous to get hit anywhere in the head.
But I wonder, like, how much more dangerous it is.
brendan schaub
I bet you it's significant.
eddie bravo
But it's already happening.
Again, we talked about it with the kicks.
joe rogan
You explained it.
It's already happening all the time.
brendan schaub
You're not promoting it.
eddie bravo
No one's trying to...
joe rogan
No one's promoting it, but we're not changing the result of a fight if somebody wheel kicks a guy and clips the back of his head.
Because that shit happens all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
If it was that serious, they should, like, DQ the guy for those head kicks.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
If they do the replay, the instant replay, they go, you know what?
You lost.
joe rogan
Do you ever see Ernesto Hoost versus Maurice Smith?
brendan schaub
God, forever ago.
joe rogan
Check this.
Jamie, pull that up.
This is like a classic example of a behind-the-head kick.
brendan schaub
He's the lover, Nesta Hoos.
joe rogan
Me too, and Maurice as well.
I love Maurice.
brendan schaub
He's from Denver, son.
joe rogan
Maurice is a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Better represent.
Kicking the fucking face.
joe rogan
Maurice is a seriously skillful kickboxer, too.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
And look at this.
Watch this.
Kaboosh!
brendan schaub
Well, that's right on the back of the neck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, absolutely perfectly placed.
He should have been DQ. Look at this exchange.
Look how good Hust is.
Check this exchange out.
In the middle, he blocks the knee.
The kind of hip dexterity.
I mean, he's almost doing a full split.
brendan schaub
Well, look how close they are.
joe rogan
And he comes down.
Yeah, look at this.
But watch how he does it.
brendan schaub
Look at the distance, though.
joe rogan
That's what's nuts.
Maurice throws his knee.
And check this.
BOOM! I mean, that is just artwork over the top of the shoulder.
eddie bravo
That's the correct reaction.
Your opponent throws a knee, you know that you got time.
There's no way he's gonna get that knee back.
joe rogan
He's just timing the movement.
And a guy like Anderson, he would time when you would put your feet down, when you would...
So he knows that if you're doing this, you're going here, and then maybe you have a pattern.
Maybe you have something to do afterwards.
Maybe you stay in the pocket and grab.
Maybe you back up.
But he just timed it perfect.
As soon as that knee came down, he had a feeling Maurice would be there.
brendan schaub
That's why he's thrown that kick up 10,000 times, too.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And the way he brought it around behind his shoulder.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
But the crazy thing there is from that distance, it's fucking nuts.
joe rogan
Yo, dude, they were like uppercut distance.
brendan schaub
Yes, that's nuts.
And he kicked them in the back of the head.
joe rogan
And the flexibility of the hips is what you really have to have because you've got to have that ability to drop down over.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
God damn, that was beautiful.
brendan schaub
That was amazing.
Good fucking clip.
joe rogan
He's such a beast.
unidentified
Super beast.
joe rogan
Ernesto Hoos was so technical, man.
I still love watching him.
brendan schaub
Remember him and Bob Sapp?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
brendan schaub
Remember that?
joe rogan
I can't Bob Sapp beat him twice.
I can't believe it.
brendan schaub
Well, because he fucked up his shoulder on one and then Bob just kept kicking at it.
Oh, really?
unidentified
Remember that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he fucked up his shoulder bad and then Bob realized it and kept kicking it.
unidentified
Oh, look at this.
eddie bravo
He's going for Darce.
Look at this.
joe rogan
I'm still waiting for the first Japanese necktie.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
Right there.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Right there, right?
Drop down to that left shoulder.
eddie bravo
It would be over right there.
unidentified
It's done.
brendan schaub
Put your leg over.
eddie bravo
Look, he might even go for it.
unidentified
So weird.
joe rogan
I don't think he knows it.
brendan schaub
A lot of people don't know it, man.
eddie bravo
But you know what?
He still has...
unidentified
Oh, he's still...
eddie bravo
Oh, damn.
joe rogan
It's pretty good dars.
eddie bravo
He's short-arming it, so it's...
brendan schaub
The guy doing good staying flat.
joe rogan
Explain that to me?
Oh, Bill.
eddie bravo
He didn't really have a full...
It wasn't sunken.
It was like this.
joe rogan
That's why you're on short arm and neck.
brendan schaub
The guy had good defense too, staying flat.
eddie bravo
You see the hand, how deep the hand is?
If you're like...
unidentified
The fingers are right here, you could just tell that's not deep enough.
joe rogan
You know who I still want to fucking see in the UFC before all this bullshit is out?
brendan schaub
Let me guess.
joe rogan
Take a guess.
eddie bravo
Hold on.
He hasn't fought in the UFC ever?
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
Wrestler.
joe rogan
Take a guess.
brendan schaub
He's a wrestler.
eddie bravo
Vladimir Klitschko.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
You know who it is.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know who it is.
Homeboy.
Ben Askren.
joe rogan
Ben Askren.
brendan schaub
They might do it now.
There's the kid with the wine and a fucking smile.
joe rogan
Look at his arms.
Jesus Christ.
Sinewy.
eddie bravo
Steel.
joe rogan
It's corded flesh.
Hardened.
The hard man.
Do we have a bottle opener and glasses?
brendan schaub
It's about to get loose now.
It's about to get loose.
You thought dick talk was too much.
eddie bravo
Hey, what about Joey Diaz getting his fucking blue belt, right?
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing?
brendan schaub
That's cool, man.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That's so beautiful.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
eddie bravo
That's amazing.
joe rogan
So beautiful.
eddie bravo
He is so into jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Loves it.
eddie bravo
It really did.
It is saving his life.
He's so into it.
He talks about jujitsu every time we talk on the phone.
He talks about how we did in class.
He's training all the goddamn time.
He goes in on Sundays and does jujitsu.
He's so into it.
And he's incredibly humble about it.
Every time he talks about jujitsu, he says, listen, Eddie Bravo, I'm terrible.
I'm terrible.
But every day I'm getting a little bit better.
brendan schaub
Just a little bit better.
eddie bravo
But I'm terrible.
I suck.
But he's tapping people out.
He's getting taps.
joe rogan
Of course he is.
eddie bravo
He's passing the guard.
He loves Twister side control.
He gets the camora from Twister side control.
unidentified
With Eddie Bravo, that Twister side control.
joe rogan
He said that to me once.
I wasn't even sure he was being serious about it.
unidentified
Joe Rogan, now I know why you like that Twister side control, dog.
joe rogan
Now I know why that's your spot.
I can see you camping out there.
Right, Joe Rogan?
I get my hip on you.
unidentified
I get my hip on you.
On the side.
joe rogan
I'm turning towards your feet.
I got my hands on your hips.
eddie bravo
Where the fuck are you going?
Where the fuck are you going?
Oh, man.
He is so into jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
I love him.
I love it.
It's really...
It's given him something to work towards, and it's given him an awesome way to do real rigorous exercise.
brendan schaub
Yeah, and get healthy, man.
That's what you want.
If that guy's your friend, you want to be healthy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you also...
You can't ever give Joey advice, you know?
Joey's a strong man, and he's a proud man, and he's beautiful.
This is just...
He's the rarest of rare birds.
brendan schaub
That's what makes him who he is, though.
There's certain guys like that, man.
You don't want to change that for anything.
joe rogan
You can't...
You know, I've known...
I mean, I've known Joey for a long time.
You gotta just let Joey be Joey.
But what he is is awesome, you know?
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
And I just love the fact that he's...
He's gotten really into being healthy, really into jiu-jitsu, really into comedy, man.
His comedy's killing it.
He's traveling all over the country now, doing gigs everywhere.
He's selling out everywhere.
Joey's selling out like five shows before he even gets into town.
He's destroying.
Just destroying.
eddie bravo
His podcast is bigger than ever.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just...
I'm so happy for that guy.
I'm just so happy I know him.
eddie bravo
His jujitsu story of how he got into it is the most inspirational jujitsu story ever, man.
There needs to be a documentary about him and how he got turned on to jujitsu and following him around, videotaping his training and all that.
That's so inspirational, his story.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
If you listen to that story and you don't want to do jujitsu, you need a psychiatric evaluation.
joe rogan
This is a good fight, man.
We're missing a good fight.
Yeah, I agree, man.
But, you know, kind of jujitsu has that effect on people.
It's a really exciting, fun thing to do.
What are you showing me there, buddy?
Is that a Japanese necktie?
I can't see.
Yeah, it looks more like a darse.
Let me see it again.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it looks like a guillotine.
eddie bravo
You gotta take it from the top.
Go back, go back, go back.
joe rogan
That's kind of like it.
eddie bravo
No, no.
It's like a guillotine-type darse.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
The body, what he's doing with his body is he's placing it in the exact same place as you would with a Japanese necktie.
It's just his grip is different.
joe rogan
Right.
So it's like a Japanese necktie with a different grip, but it's similar.
eddie bravo
It's like a guillotine Japanese necktie.
It's in between.
joe rogan
And Jamie, for all the people that are listening, what was that fight that we were just watching and were just talking about?
unidentified
Unless I'm retarded and I couldn't tell by that angle or something.
eddie bravo
Maybe it was a Japanese necktie.
joe rogan
Say it one more time, Jamie.
unidentified
I'll just pull it up.
You can read them.
joe rogan
We'll see it one more time anyway.
It looks like a Japanese necktie to me.
I mean, if you look at the placement of his left elbow, yeah.
His left shoulder, though, is way down.
See how far down his left shoulder is?
And the head's perfect.
The head's perfectly locked in.
eddie bravo
Go back.
Go back.
joe rogan
Here it is again.
brendan schaub
You're saying this is a Japanese necktie?
joe rogan
It is.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
It's close.
eddie bravo
It's like in between.
In between a guillotine and a Japanese necktie.
joe rogan
Yeah, he might have his own version of it.
His grip doesn't look like Japanese.
No, it's not quite the same, but it's still...
eddie bravo
The fact that you can see his hands in the front, the hands gotta stay in the back of the head.
joe rogan
Yeah, but isn't it interesting though that there's like a lot of different ways to grip the guillotine, right?
There's a lot of different ways to hold your hands, but they're all considered guillotines.
But this choke, which is like pretty similar, like the head is trapped, it's twisted, left shoulder's down, hands are coming up like this, the neck is getting wrenched and cranked.
It's getting wrenched and cranked in both positions, right?
Japanese necktie has arm evolved because the guy's got that underhook on you.
Say if I'm getting it, and he's got his underhook on the left side, my arm is overhooking his arm, and then that's going behind his head, and that's where I'm clamping down.
I clamped down with a scissors grip, but that guy looked like he had something like this.
It was almost like a gable grip, right?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I could be wrong, but that didn't look like a Japanese necktie, but I could be wrong.
It was hard to tell.
brendan schaub
With the grip, that looked like an arm in guillotine.
joe rogan
Well, whatever it was, that guy's neck was getting cranked, too.
unidentified
Super cranked.
joe rogan
It wasn't just the choke.
It was a neck crank.
Real bad, trapped in the chest.
eddie bravo
Let me see it one more time.
Let me see it one more time.
joe rogan
It's super similar.
eddie bravo
Because look at his right elbow.
If he's doing a Japanese necktie, his right elbow should be T-Rexed here.
But it looked like he was like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe he just has a wide open way of doing it.
eddie bravo
Can we see it again, Jamie?
joe rogan
Maybe it's just not the best way to do it.
eddie bravo
Come on, motherfucker.
joe rogan
Hurry.
Jamie.
The fuck, dude?
How come you don't want to show it to him?
eddie bravo
Joe, talk to him.
joe rogan
Come on, Jamie.
unidentified
Don't do this.
joe rogan
He's a good guy.
brendan schaub
Don't do this, man.
joe rogan
It's like he gets passionate about his work.
unidentified
Come on, man.
joe rogan
This is important, Jamie.
brendan schaub
Is Callen stomping on the grapes or something?
joe rogan
Callen's coming.
Right now he's coming in my sink.
He went in there and got blueberries and cheese.
unidentified
You are so strange.
We're going to start with a light barbaresco.
eddie bravo
I'm wrong about that though.
The right elbow wouldn't be T-Rex because it couldn't be because you have the overhook.
joe rogan
There's no way it could be.
Can't be T-Rex because he's got the overhook.
So it is a Japanese necktile.
eddie bravo
Fuck, it's so hard to tell.
joe rogan
But he's got the left shoulder down, right?
Which is where you wouldn't be necessarily there in a darse.
You would want the right shoulder down, right?
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
So the way he's doing it is totally a Japanese necktie.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I give you that, Joe.
joe rogan
Because the head's trapped the exact same way you trap the head.
The neck is cranked in the exact same direction.
And also, he's got the leg tied up, which I like.
I like how he did it, too.
How he tied up the near side leg.
brendan schaub
It's for sure not a darts because his hips and his right shoulder would be down.
joe rogan
I've always wondered.
brendan schaub
Gentlemen.
joe rogan
Gentlemen.
brendan schaub
To fight companions.
joe rogan
To fight companions.
That actually answered a question that I had.
I'm looking at it right now, and I was always like, what's the best leg to tie up?
Because I would always tie up whatever leg I could.
unidentified
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
I always said that, but if you look at that, if he ties up the left leg, he doesn't have that, he can't move with that right leg.
Excuse me, if he ties up the right leg the way he's got it like there, that other leg's not helping him as much.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
But if he ties up the other leg, then he can get that right leg under him and he can use it to manipulate his base more.
brendan schaub
Even more pressure.
eddie bravo
His problem here is he immediately should have stomped on dude's right thigh with his left foot.
I don't think he would matter there.
And that's how you escape.
You get your leg out and spin.
If you can't get that leg free, you're fucked.
brendan schaub
I know.
Look how he has his legs tied up.
eddie bravo
He's got to kick his leg free.
He's got to kick it free or you're done.
joe rogan
That's the first thing you've got to do.
eddie bravo
The first thing.
joe rogan
So he would kick out the right leg.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Push it away.
eddie bravo
The leg that's caught, use your free leg.
It's just like a leg lock.
Someone's attacking that leg, you kick it free.
joe rogan
Well, here's a question.
Here's a real good question.
If you're in a position like that or somewhere similar where you have access to kick the knee, can you kick someone's knee on the ground when you're grappling with it?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And if so, yeah.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
How come no one's ever done that?
No one's, like, attacked the knee.
Like, no one's ever been in a position, like, maybe they have side control or something like that, and they drop axe kicks down on someone's knee.
Just attack their knee from there.
eddie bravo
I'd have to see it, but...
joe rogan
It feels like you should be able to definitely attack the thighs.
brendan schaub
You're saying in a grappling tournament?
joe rogan
Yeah, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, in a grappling position.
brendan schaub
You're saying MMA.
joe rogan
Like, say if someone has someone in, like, a...
But does he ever see it?
eddie bravo
No.
Maybe it'll fuck up your balance and you'll lose position.
joe rogan
I've seen some of it.
But in that guy, in that situation, where that guy is getting choked, if he could have kicked at the knee itself, this isn't a good position for it.
eddie bravo
No, he's not going to do shit there.
He's got to kick that leg free.
He's got to kick that leg free and get flat on your back.
joe rogan
Is there ever a time where you can kick someone's legs when you're holding them down?
eddie bravo
There's no rule.
In Pride, a good combo would be, if you get them out, bop bop bop, stand up, stomp.
And then walk away.
He did that to Dan Henderson.
Bop bop bop on the mountain and you stand up, boom.
That's something you'd have to practice.
That's a combo.
bryan callen
That cheese is a combo.
joe rogan
And it's an effective move.
It's weird.
It's weird what effective moves are legal and what are not legal.
eddie bravo
One of the most underutilized kicks, in my opinion, are those hicks in those leg curl kicks while you have someone's back.
joe rogan
That's legal now.
eddie bravo
It's legal.
It was always legal.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
It was attacks to the kidney.
They were considered attacks to the kidney.
It's one of the new revisions in this...
eddie bravo
No, no, I'm not talking about from Full Guard.
I'm not talking about that.
joe rogan
Oh, you're talking about from Backmount.
eddie bravo
You have the guy's back.
Remember what Hickson was doing to Zulu?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
Remember those kicks?
joe rogan
To the abdomen.
eddie bravo
To the abdomen.
Why aren't people doing that?
joe rogan
Who was the last guy that did that?
I feel like Cole Miller did that.
eddie bravo
That should be normal shit.
joe rogan
Did Cole Miller do that in a fight?
brendan schaub
And then the guys defend it and then he comes up and chokes.
eddie bravo
Exactly!
That's how you set up the chokes.
Nobody does that.
joe rogan
It's true.
Well now at least guys can attack when they're on their back, they can kidney kick.
And it makes someone want to...
unidentified
In full guard.
joe rogan
Yes, in full guard.
eddie bravo
Oh, beautiful.
joe rogan
I'm happy.
eddie bravo
Hey, they're making progress.
joe rogan
That's a very good move.
bryan callen
I'm very shocked.
So when somebody's in your guard, you can do kidney kicks?
joe rogan
You can kidney kick them, yes.
Wow.
Yeah, that's huge.
eddie bravo
Gotta protect the kidneys.
joe rogan
Well, you're not going to be able to just lay there.
It's another offensive option for the grappler.
So if you're in a full guard position and someone has good kicks, like say if you get some Anderson Silva type character who has good kicks, he can fuck your back up, man.
And when you do get free, you break free, you could be all bunched up and tightened up just from eating those heel kicks to the kidneys.
bryan callen
Isn't there danger there that you can actually create, you can cause internal bleeding that'll mess with them later on?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is going to be a lot of internal bleeding, son.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
You're in a cage fight.
unidentified
I don't think you're too weird.
Yes.
bryan callen
Oh, man, though.
eddie bravo
We've got to stop the kidney injuries.
joe rogan
Listen, man, how can you say you can stop kidney injuries, but you won't stop a spinning back kick to the ribs?
bryan callen
Yeah, but that's one kick.
I feel like it's a constant difference.
joe rogan
Listen, man, if someone, like some elite guy, like a Wonderboy, spinning back kicks you in the ribs...
bryan callen
Yeah, you're going to be...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, dude.
brendan schaub
If Overeem kicks you in the ribs...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Ask Brock how that works.
joe rogan
You're going to shit your pants.
Dude, Overeem, that left round kick to the ribs that he landed on Brock before he put him away.
brendan schaub
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Fuck all that.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Those giant thighs and that enormous ass.
brendan schaub
I'd rather get kicked in the dick.
eddie bravo
Whose ass?
joe rogan
Overeem.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And Overeem, when he fought Brock, was Overeem, too.
That was when he was at his biggest.
bryan callen
Did you notice when people are going to take body shots like that, there's a pause?
They're like, they go, and then they fall.
They say, I'm not sure, but they say that's because your liver gets lifted up, and when it falls back down, somebody told me that, that's why there's that pause.
So you watch guys who get hit?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
bryan callen
So if you guys get watched, if you watch anybody who takes, there's a pause.
brendan schaub
You know who used to train to hit like that and fall down?
Liotta Machida.
He used to train as if he got hit in the body and practice just falling down to his back.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
First guy I've ever seen do it.
bryan callen
Smart.
unidentified
What a samurai.
brendan schaub
Because one of his buddies, I forget who it was, lost a fight by getting a body shot.
And he just kind of crumbled and went to the ground.
And Leo was like, no, we do this all the time.
And then showed him that he kept doing reps, like getting hit, balling up into guard and bringing the guy down into your guard to give you time.
joe rogan
Is he suspended right now?
brendan schaub
Lieto?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm not sure I think so.
I know he just opened up a gym in California.
joe rogan
But something happened.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
He tested positive for something.
brendan schaub
Dan Anderson, right?
And he tested positive?
joe rogan
What was it for?
Jamie, see if you can find that out.
brendan schaub
That fucking card, though.
There's your card of the year.
As far as number-wise, pay-per-view number-wise.
eddie bravo
You think the match-ups get better?
The cards get better now?
Because you get new blood in there.
I bet the new owners want to go, let's fucking...
brendan schaub
What new blood?
bryan callen
None of that's new blood, though, right there.
brendan schaub
What new blood, brother?
eddie bravo
The power, the new blood.
bryan callen
The executive power is all new blood.
brendan schaub
Oh, you mean the suits?
eddie bravo
They might say, hey, let's fucking make...
Let's come in with some fire and blow up these cards.
Let's just get crazy with it.
bryan callen
No, I think Joe Silva...
brendan schaub
Not much you can do.
bryan callen
You need a guy who loves fighting and knows fighting.
Usually...
brendan schaub
Those suits don't know fighting.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Corporate...
Big corporations that get involved doesn't necessarily mean...
brendan schaub
That's why Dana's staying on board.
You know, he's a fucking genius with fighting.
So is Joe Silva.
You can't get rid of those guys and have suits who, you know...
joe rogan
You can never...
It would never work.
You could never have a suit run the company either.
You need Dana.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
But they could say, hey, listen, we'd like to see...
joe rogan
The company has gotten to a crazy place.
eddie bravo
He knows.
You don't have to be a genius to come up with dream matchups.
joe rogan
This is going to be an interesting fight.
eddie bravo
You could be an average fan.
joe rogan
This is your boy, right?
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Zach Cummings, he's fighting this Ponzinubio guy who's a beast.
Zach Cummings is a welterweight.
That is crazy.
That is such a big dude.
bryan callen
Is he really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
Like, he's a big fella.
I mean, he's got to walk around well over 200 pounds.
brendan schaub
I think he's an underdog in this fight.
joe rogan
Ponzinobio's no joke, man.
brendan schaub
No joke.
This fucking cheese, Cal, and you outdid yourself.
bryan callen
I know.
And this is a nice Barbaresco.
This is 2008. It's like a meal, gentlemen.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ponzinobio's a scary guy.
bryan callen
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Serious knockout striker.
Beast of a guy.
Look at those ears, too.
bryan callen
Let's pin those ears back.
joe rogan
Jesus.
bryan callen
Handsome guy, but gee whiz.
joe rogan
Who's been headlocking him?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's such a crazy look.
Even?
Yeah, it's a tough fight.
Tough fight to call.
What do we need to talk about?
We need to talk about the Tyron Woodley fight.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you what I do with Woodley.
If I'm Scrooge McDuck, if I'm Dana, this is what you do.
So the loyal purists of the sport are going to say, Wonderboy's next.
We can't do that because sell that pay-per-view, you get 300 buys.
That ain't happening.
Neither one's a big draw.
It sucks to say.
I love both those guys.
Let's just be real here.
So you do the GSB fight to make Woodley a star so he can be a pay-per-view headliner.
Because he's not a headliner right now.
joe rogan
Let's get more realistic.
If GSP actually wants to fight...
brendan schaub
Which he does.
joe rogan
Is that true?
He asked for the fight.
If he actually wants to fight, I feel like GSP gets a free pass.
He gets a free pass right to the front.
brendan schaub
You mean like Lesnar?
joe rogan
No!
No, no, no.
Or he can piss hot?
No, no, no, no, no.
brendan schaub
What do you mean free?
joe rogan
I mean, you've got to let him fight for the title.
He's George goddamn St. Pierre.
He stepped away as the champion.
brendan schaub
He's only fighting for title.
joe rogan
That's what I feel.
So the question is, does he fight now, and does he fight Tyron, or does he fight the winner of Tyron vs.
bryan callen
Wonderboy?
joe rogan
Or does Wonderboy get paid, or rather, does Tyron get paid, and he fights Nick Diaz?
bryan callen
Will he get paid more if he fights Nick Diaz, do you think?
joe rogan
Listen, if I was Tyron Woodley, I'd be asking for the Nick Diaz fight.
brendan schaub
That's what he's doing.
joe rogan
Why?
brendan schaub
He wants GSP or Nick Diaz.
He doesn't want Wonderboy.
I want money.
joe rogan
You know how much stoner money is out there rooting on Nick Diaz?
I don't think the UFC maybe even realizes what they have in Nick Diaz.
brendan schaub
I think they do.
Because they put up with this shit.
bryan callen
I love Nick Diaz.
joe rogan
They should be putting up with everything and more.
brendan schaub
I agree.
bryan callen
He's the best.
joe rogan
All this flying him to press conferences.
Give him a pass.
Give him a pass on that.
What is he going to say that's going to be...
You're just going to annoy him.
Just let him train.
Let him train.
We all know what Nick Diaz is capable of.
brendan schaub
Bro, you know what's scary?
It's how much press Nate Diaz has been.
I love it.
He's been doing a lot, a lot of press.
joe rogan
He's been doing a lot of press.
brendan schaub
He's on that Conor McGregor press tour right now.
joe rogan
He is.
He bashes Wonderboy Thompson and says he should be able to pick his next opponent.
Well...
brendan schaub
As Dana White, if we want entertainment and you want numbers, you do GSP or Nick Diaz.
bryan callen
100%.
brendan schaub
If you're a purist of the sport, you do Wanderboy.
joe rogan
I agree.
I agree 100%.
But the bottom line is, Tyron Woodley is the fucking champion.
When you're the champion, you can say all the crazy shit you want.
I should be able to pick my opponent.
I want to get the money.
Yes!
Why not?
brendan schaub
He's the fucking champ!
You're fighting Wonderboy on fucking Fox Sports one year on a Wednesday night and you're going to shut your fucking mouth.
joe rogan
No, no, you can't say that.
brendan schaub
That's exactly what they can do.
eddie bravo
On the same card, GSP versus Nick Diaz and Woodley versus Wonderboy.
Same card.
brendan schaub
Nah, fuck that because you're killing two birds with one storm.
joe rogan
No, no, you don't want GSP versus Nick Diaz.
brendan schaub
You can't do that.
eddie bravo
Super cards, man.
joe rogan
Super cards.
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
No super cards?
brendan schaub
No.
eddie bravo
Spread it out.
joe rogan
Do you know that John Donaher made a post recently saying that GSP, he put it on Instagram, saying that GSP's camp for the Nick Diaz fight was one of the best camps he ever had.
Came out of it injury-free, super healthy, and then the night before the fight drank some watermelon juice that had been sitting out for too long and got deathly ill.
Was throwing up all night.
brendan schaub
What kind of watermelon juice was he drinking?
joe rogan
I don't know.
bryan callen
Probably something crazy.
And so he came in that fight.
joe rogan
He came in that fight depleted.
And they devised a strategy of conserving his energy and not engaging too much.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
And when did time his takedown?
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
And then when they came in to see the wraps, he was talking about they wrapped GSP's hands and the Diaz camp wanted to see them wrap his hands.
So they had to come in, and then he said that George had to, like, imitate this sense of vitality, you know?
Because he was, like, so depleted.
He had to, like, pretend.
He feels fucking great.
I feel fucking great.
I'm ready to go kick some ass.
You know?
He had to, like, pump it up.
And then when they left, he was like, oh my god.
Do I have to do this shit myself again?
eddie bravo
But didn't Nick Diaz say that someone drugged him in that fight?
joe rogan
Yeah, he said that too.
Could you imagine if someone drugged both of them, if that's what was going on?
They didn't even know it, but somebody drugged both guys.
Some asshole who was like, maybe two guys were gamblers.
unidentified
Is that possible?
eddie bravo
Did someone drug them?
joe rogan
GAMBLERS, bro!
unidentified
Fuck yeah!
joe rogan
Gamblers!
Let me tell you something, man.
If you're around some shady, degenerate gamblers, and they put some money on you, and they see Eddie Bravo out for the night in the town, and they know that you're supposed to be fighting someone the next day, and they can drug you and jack the fight, If you read the book about, there's a book written by David Remnick about the fight between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston.
bryan callen
And in round, I think, seven, they put something on Sonny Liston's gloves that blinded him.
And he said, I can't see, I can't see.
And I think it was Dundee who said...
joe rogan
Kept moving, just move and box.
bryan callen
Yeah, just keep moving and keep boxing.
And it was a huge turning point.
He said, they put something on the gloves.
joe rogan
Yep, yeah.
bryan callen
And on one.
joe rogan
Some shady shit.
They did some shady shit, too.
Like when he fought Henry Cooper.
eddie bravo
I think that's a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.
bryan callen
He wouldn't let anybody touch his water bottle because they thought they were going to poison him, so he had his water bottle wrapped.
eddie bravo
That sounds like conspiracy theory shit.
bryan callen
He wrapped tape around his water bottle.
joe rogan
You don't believe that shit, but you believe Tower 7?
If you watch the Sonny Liston fight, it's clear.
You hear him say it in the corner.
I've watched the fight.
It's an interesting one, too, because...
Mike Tyson's old manager was the narrator for the fight.
You know Mike Tyson's old manager?
He had the Jewish guy that died who was his confidant.
It was...
God damn it.
There was a couple different guys that handled Mike Tyson after...
Something Jacobs?
brendan schaub
The black Jewish guy?
joe rogan
No, he's a white guy.
It was something...
Goddammit.
It was Kevin Rooney, something Jacobs, and that was like the whole crew that was left over.
Anyway, this guy was the narrator for those old fights because they didn't really have audio for them that was correct.
But a more interesting example is when Ali's camp cheated, when Henry Cooper caught him with a left hook.
Henry Cooper caught him with a left hook and sat him down.
Henry Cooper was this badass British heavyweight boxer back in the day.
And when Muhammad Ali was still Cassius Clay...
Henry Cooper cracked him, and he went down, and when he went back to the corner, he had no idea what the fuck was going on.
He was out on his feet.
So Angelo Dundee took a razor blade to his gloves, cut his gloves open.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
So we gotta change the gloves.
The gloves are cut.
brendan schaub
Tight move.
unidentified
Smart.
Smart dude.
brendan schaub
That's that ATT shit.
bryan callen
Smart dude.
Back then.
joe rogan
So Ali has the chance to recover.
Several minutes go by.
They change the gloves.
They re-tie him up.
They re-tape him.
Several minutes go by.
Brilliant.
And then he fucks Henry Cooper up, gets him cut, and winds up stopping him on cuts.
brendan schaub
Shit, it worked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You want to see it?
See, watch Henry Cooper drops Muhammad Ali.
Because, I mean, dude, he got ja-ropped.
brendan schaub
That's very similar to your boy, Yoel, in the corner, buying time.
joe rogan
Yes, that Tim Kennedy fight.
Tim Kennedy should have gotten the win.
Stoolgate.
Tim Kennedy should have gotten the win because he was not willing to get off his stool and fight at the end of the round.
He knew it was the end of the buzzer.
bryan callen
When are we going to see him fight Tim Kennedy, please?
joe rogan
Well, what fucked up Tim Kennedy after that fight is that...
Those are the gloves?
That's the actual gloves that was split?
They cut the shit out of them.
eddie bravo
Is there a video of him cutting it?
joe rogan
They, like, covered each other up.
And they weren't doing videos back then.
They had a film of the fight.
And then, you know, there was probably only one camera.
eddie bravo
So you're saying there's no concrete evidence?
unidentified
Well...
brendan schaub
That glove, son.
joe rogan
The gloves are cut up.
I mean, they have the gloves.
eddie bravo
Maybe it happened naturally.
joe rogan
It could be.
It could be like...
Eddie, you're losing Eddie.
bryan callen
Eddie, the biggest conspiracy theorist, and he's just...
I thought he was going to be in on this.
eddie bravo
You guys are the biggest skeptics, and you guys didn't believe in this shit.
unidentified
Watch this.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Watch this left hook.
Check it out right here.
Right here.
Against the rope.
brendan schaub
Boom, bitch!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
I've never seen him get dropped like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Dude, he got fucked up.
Look at him.
And that's the end of the round.
The very end of the round.
He gets up, and he sits down.
So, I mean, there is like one second before...
Look at this.
Check this left hook.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
That shit is perfect, too.
brendan schaub
That British power, son.
eddie bravo
Is there a video of his corner the whole minute?
Can we see that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's a good question.
bryan callen
Oh, you can see him in front of him, though.
joe rogan
They put smelling salts, too.
That was the other thing they used to do.
unidentified
You ever use those?
joe rogan
They used to use smelling salts.
unidentified
Do you ever use those?
eddie bravo
Do you believe that Richard Pryor...
joe rogan
Oh, we're missing your boy Zach Cummins and Ponzinobio throwing diggity-diggity down.
eddie bravo
Hey, what about that Aaron Pryor story with the cocaine and all that shit?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's supposed to be legit.
eddie bravo
Is that legit?
joe rogan
It's supposed to be legit, but I never heard of liquid cocaine being drank like that.
It could have been some other stimulant.
It doesn't have to have been.
But everybody was like, it's cocaine, it's cocaine.
eddie bravo
Maybe it was speed.
joe rogan
It could have easily been speed.
I think you're dead right.
eddie bravo
You think it's true?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Either way, you're partying.
joe rogan
That guy, Panama Lewis, was busted for a bunch of different things.
And one of them was, he had this fight between Billy Collins, I think it was Billy Collins Jr. was his name, and the other guy was Louis Resto.
And they took Louis Resto's padding out of his gloves.
And when he fought this kid, I think it was Billy Collins Jr. I think that was his name.
James Heath, if that's correct.
Louis Resto.
It's a Louis Resto glove controversy.
So anyway, Panama Lewis was the guy who did that, too.
He was involved in that.
He was banned from boxing after that.
brendan schaub
You're fucking right he was.
joe rogan
He's a cheater.
He had went through that thing with Aaron Pryor, and then he went through this new one.
But who knows what the fuck was in that bottle?
It could have been anything.
It could have been a stimulant, but it could have been some sort of fucking sport drink.
It could have been something with some sort of nutritional supplement in it that maybe is illegal now, wasn't illegal then.
Who the fuck knows?
I don't know what he put in there.
bryan callen
I think they might have used speed a lot.
I know Andre Agustin is...
And his autobiography talks about how his dad used to give him speed when he was a kid.
And like in the middle, because you know, those matches last four or five, they're five matches.
It's a long time, four hours, or whatever it was.
And he would give his son and his brothers, he'd be like, here you go, take this.
And he'd be like, pat me up.
brendan schaub
Those little fuckers went nuts on it.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Speed was a huge thing in baseball as well.
A lot of guys were taking speed and even Adderall.
bryan callen
It's always been...
brendan schaub
Adderall's still big.
bryan callen
It was always big in medical school.
Medical school was always big.
It was always big among fighter pilots.
joe rogan
Louis Resto, and who was the other gentleman's name?
Billy Collins?
Was it Collins?
I don't see the name.
There's a documentary about it called Assault in the Ring.
brendan schaub
Have you used Adderall?
joe rogan
No, I have not.
brendan schaub
You haven't used it either?
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
Billy Collins Jr., yes, I was right.
bryan callen
Adderall's good stuff?
brendan schaub
I did it once in college, but for some final, I write this paper.
I took it, and dude, I was a chatty Cathy.
I got nothing done.
Someone walked by like, hey, what are you doing?
unidentified
What are you doing?
brendan schaub
Nothing fucking, for six hours just talking.
unidentified
Straight.
joe rogan
You boy, Zach Cummings just landed a hard body kick.
brendan schaub
Dude, I haven't watched one round of any of these guys.
bryan callen
These guys are welterweights?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
They're giants.
joe rogan
Cummings is a big boy.
How big is he, Brendan?
6'1"?
unidentified
Whoa!
Wheel kick.
bryan callen
That's a wheel kick.
brendan schaub
Definitely looks like it.
joe rogan
Oh, we've got a clip in the right hand.
brendan schaub
Here we go.
Oh, he likes it.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Nice takedown.
brendan schaub
Ah, good recovery.
joe rogan
Ponsonobio, right back up.
Ooh, just missed with the hook of death.
unidentified
They're both listed at six foot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Joe, you want one of these berries to knock your socks off?
joe rogan
No, I'm good.
brendan schaub
I mean, they're fucked.
I've been balls deep in berries and shoes right now.
bryan callen
It might be the best blackberries I've ever tried.
joe rogan
Oh, big kick to the body by Cummings at the end of the round.
bryan callen
Jason Statham.
joe rogan
This is so silly.
Jason Statham is reviving his Charles Bronson character.
brendan schaub
That guy would fuck both of you up.
bryan callen
Hey, man.
joe rogan
Easy.
bryan callen
Olympic athlete.
He was an Olympic diver.
That's a big deal, actually.
joe rogan
Sure.
Jessica Alba, back.
Tommy Lee Jones, a bad guy.
brendan schaub
Oh, he looks ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, with a goatee.
bryan callen
He looks ridiculous.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
The mechanic, resurrected.
brendan schaub
He had those same glasses.
He looks ridiculous.
joe rogan
Look, if they made that movie good, you'd be upset.
Yeah.
If that was a really good movie with an awesome plot, you'd be pissed.
bryan callen
That's kind of hilarious.
With, like, depth and you had to wait for character development.
Where's the actions?
Is somebody gonna get shot?
What the fuck?
I've been 20 minutes into this goddamn movie.
joe rogan
If they took the guy that made Ex Machina and they made him direct the new mechanic, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on?
Who wrote this?
brendan schaub
Dude, you know what movie you were wrong about?
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
That fucking Cloverfield.
How dare you?
joe rogan
You didn't like that?
brendan schaub
No!
eddie bravo
The ending...
Sucked, right?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
I thought it was crazy.
eddie bravo
I thought it was amazing until the ending, right?
joe rogan
The ending was like, what the fuck?
But meanwhile, I'm in.
I'll take both endings.
brendan schaub
Goddammit!
joe rogan
I like it.
I like the ending of the first one.
I like the ending of the second one.
bryan callen
You like a good sci-fi movie, right?
joe rogan
I wrote stupid fucking shit.
I love Bigfoot.
I wrote this tweet the other day.
It was half joking, but not even half.
It was at least 2% of my thoughts every day are secretly hoping that Bigfoot's real.
I'm retarded, man.
UFOs, Bigfoot, all that shit.
bryan callen
We all do have loopy, like, we have thoughts.
Like, you'll have a loop that you think about all the time, you know what I mean?
Like, you come back to the same theme.
brendan schaub
I'll have arguments in my head with people that it never happens.
unidentified
It's weird.
bryan callen
I have a really weird thing that I think about every day.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, what?
You get arguments with people and you figure out an argument.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm like, oh really?
bryan callen
We talk about it all the time.
brendan schaub
Like with my agent too.
joe rogan
Oh no!
brendan schaub
And then when I talk to them, it goes nothing how I thought it was going to go.
bryan callen
That's so crazy.
unidentified
You're like betrayed.
eddie bravo
I'm still confused.
bryan callen
We were talking about this.
Like if you're betrayed.
eddie bravo
You have an argument?
brendan schaub
I'll have an argument.
Like with a buddy, I know he's going to say something.
So in my head, I'm like, yeah, he's going to say this.
I'm going to do this.
And I think he's going to say this.
Then when I see him, he goes, nothing like that.
bryan callen
No.
brendan schaub
He's like, yeah, cool, man.
He's all, yeah, cool, man.
eddie bravo
What the fuck are you talking about?
unidentified
Really?
eddie bravo
You're planning an argument, and then it doesn't go the way you planned?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it goes nothing like I planned.
eddie bravo
What kind of arguments do you plan?
brendan schaub
I have hypothetical conversations with important people in my life, and then when I see them, it goes nothing like that.
joe rogan
But you have hypothetical adversarial conversations about important people.
eddie bravo
It's weird.
You're ready for the conversation, you're ready for the debate, and you're like, fuck, he crushes you?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It means it becomes all friendly.
It doesn't get adversarial at all.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's like, what's up, bro?
I'm like, hey, how's it going?
That's it.
bryan callen
I do the exact same thing.
eddie bravo
Man, I'm still confused.
bryan callen
And what I also do is...
eddie bravo
What the fuck are you talking about?
unidentified
It's weird.
joe rogan
He's crazy.
He's what he's telling you.
bryan callen
What I do is...
If somebody, like, did something that I was like, oh, that's kind of mean, or whatever, then I'll extrapolate, and I'll be like, what if he was that way all the time?
And then what if he shoved me?
And then what if he called me a bitch?
And then I'll just keep going.
Before I know it, I'm having the same exact thing.
I'm having a verbal argument in my car.
eddie bravo
I have done that.
Yeah, you're right.
Now I get you.
He explained it better.
You're thinking, okay, this motherfucker's going to come at me with this, and he's going to come at me with that.
Well, I got this ready for him, and I got that ready for him.
And you're like practicing this shit.
No, I go through the whole thing.
Yeah, I do that.
I think everybody does that.
bryan callen
I do something even more ridiculous.
I daily have a fantasy that I live in a part of the world where gangs are running everything and they're terrorizing my village or my town.
brendan schaub
That's Los Angeles, right?
bryan callen
Yep.
And what I do then is I secretly, I push a cart, a food cart.
I'm humble, but I have a small gun with a silencer and I kill all the bad guys quietly.
And they're like, who the fuck is killing us, man?
What the fuck is going on?
And I'm like, would you like another hot dog?
brendan schaub
Is this the plot of the professional?
bryan callen
Would you like some...
Yeah, that's literally how I... What the fuck?
I think about how I protect myself.
joe rogan
You're totally sane, all of you.
I feel like Eddie Bravo died.
brendan schaub
Well, that got weird.
unidentified
That got...
That got weird.
brendan schaub
Eddie Bravo died.
bryan callen
I'm sorry, guys.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I have thought something similar.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
unidentified
I thought...
brendan schaub
No, this isn't what I'm talking about.
eddie bravo
What if you could figure out how long it takes to kill someone with a choke and then how long it takes to put them in a vegetative state permanently?
brendan schaub
Well, you can do that.
eddie bravo
And you master that.
bryan callen
That's interesting.
eddie bravo
So like anybody, like you're like a vigilante.
unidentified
Yes.
eddie bravo
And anybody who deserves to be a vegetable, you're not going to kill them.
Child molesters.
You're just going to kill them and you have a timer, you have 45 seconds, you let them go and they're a vegetable.
You didn't kill them.
bryan callen
That's genius, dude.
eddie bravo
You didn't kill them, but they're like...
bryan callen
Hold on.
I hold the timer.
I hold the timer.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
One by one you just turn.
joe rogan
There's like this epidemic of vegetables.
bryan callen
That's amazing.
eddie bravo
It's like a vigilante vegetable maker.
But then there's a guy that you didn't hold that choke long enough and it wasn't lined up right.
And he's all like...
unidentified
Fuck!
eddie bravo
You gotta put him in another arm triangle!
You're like, oh shit!
So you change it to an arm triangle and you fucking, oh, I need 15 more seconds.
Fuck, the cops are showing up.
Goddamn!
And then you let him go.
brendan schaub
So basically, you guys want to be like fake superheroes.
eddie bravo
He's a vigilante.
unidentified
That's what it is.
brendan schaub
You're gonna be superheroes.
bryan callen
There's a sick play.
There's a sick play called the Toyer.
eddie bravo
It's called Veggies.
unidentified
That's the end of the movie.
eddie bravo
There's like an epidemic of vegetables.
Like there's vegetables everywhere and they're like...
Detectives are just like...
bryan callen
But he figures out they're all bad guys.
eddie bravo
They're all bad guys.
Yeah, exactly.
All the vegetables...
bryan callen
Would I go to jail for holding the tire?
eddie bravo
It's like Dexter.
It's like a jiu-jitsu Dexter.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Eddie, do you remember that conversation we had once about guys getting hit so hard that it turns them gay?
unidentified
That's ridiculous.
joe rogan
You and I went off for at least an hour like children about how incredible it would be if dudes had to get revenge because a guy turned them gay and they showed up for the next fight with a parasol and pink clothes on, holding a handbag.
brendan schaub
He had them in the sand and then fucked them.
joe rogan
It just, someone knocked him out so bad that they turned gay, and that it was a possibility.
Like, you know how you can get CTE? Yeah.
Like, the idea is, like, imagine, and they were like, what if it was like a thing?
What if it was a thing like, like, there was a keep you from breeding if you got your ass kicked?
Like in the wolves population, the alphas and the betas duke it out, the beta gets kicked out of the crew if he gets his ass kicked, right?
brendan schaub
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Maybe it would be something like that, where two guys duke it out, one guy beats your ass, he turns you gay.
Every time.
How much more would the stakes be every time you lost?
brendan schaub
No one's fighting anybody.
joe rogan
We were talking about how much...
Do you remember the conversation?
eddie bravo
I forgot.
joe rogan
We were so high.
We were like, how much more dangerous would fighting be if you lost, you turned gay?
brendan schaub
Oh, people would carry helmets with us.
joe rogan
If someone KO'd you, if you became gay.
brendan schaub
Oh, Wolverine just turned everyone gay.
eddie bravo
He's gay, too.
unidentified
That's true.
brendan schaub
He's been knocked out more than anyone.
eddie bravo
You know fighters that are like starting to slur their words and you start seeing signs of like the fucking...
joe rogan
Makeup.
brendan schaub
Like they're going full zombie.
unidentified
Yeah, but you'd see signs of them turning gay, but they're trying to hide it.
You know what I mean?
They start slowly with like wooden beads and tight-fitting shirts.
joe rogan
They start wearing shirts like the one I'm wearing.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you gotta sit them down and have that Brendan Schaub talking or you gotta stop.
Look what you're doing.
You're looking at my dick all day.
bryan callen
It would start like this.
eddie bravo
You gotta start looking for alternative careers, man.
You're looking at my dick every time we hang out.
bryan callen
I think it would be more subtle.
It'd be more subtle.
It'd be more subtle.
You'd be like, I think Wolverine is plucking his eyebrows.
Do you notice that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like he's contouring you.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Is he wearing cologne?
joe rogan
Did he put those ice ice baby shaves in him?
Those fucking beautiful vanilla ice slices.
bryan callen
Did he get a facial?
What's going on with him?
unidentified
Dun, dun, dun.
bryan callen
He keeps smiling at me.
brendan schaub
We'd all be fucked up over and turn gay.
eddie bravo
He's taking too many shots.
It's clear.
joe rogan
But maybe you have to get a win back to get your heterosexual back.
bryan callen
This is the worst idea.
unidentified
So you can choose.
joe rogan
You can choose to either...
unidentified
Every time you knock someone out, it's like you get a...
bryan callen
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, two of us in this conversation are almost 50. And how old are you now, Eddie?
eddie bravo
29. There you go.
bryan callen
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, we should definitely be more grown up by now.
bryan callen
I think so, but you know, I keep waiting.
eddie bravo
The crazy thing is I'm fucking 46. I'm an old motherfucker.
50 is right there.
I have a kid.
I'm sitting there at the fucking breakfast table with my son and my wife, and I feel like I'm 19. I feel like I'm acting in this.
I feel like a little kid, but I'm 46. I'm old as shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't feel like a grown-up.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
Growing up on TV, you see that guy reading the newspaper and he's got his kids and he's only 38, like 5. Well, you could be that guy if you want.
And I'm way older than that motherfucker that's in my head.
bryan callen
But how would you define...
eddie bravo
And I feel like a little kid raising a kid.
I feel like a kid raising a kid.
It's so weird.
bryan callen
How would you define what an adult is?
Right?
joe rogan
So here he goes.
bryan callen
No, but I mean...
Hey, here's one.
unidentified
Someone that doesn't lose their wallet at 49. Goddammit.
bryan callen
But you're supposed to be like, how would he define, like, well, now I'm an adult.
Well, I guess that would mean what?
That I have people I'm responsible for?
That I make my own money?
brendan schaub
You're not dependent on your parents?
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
You have your own pills.
bryan callen
But you depend on other people, right?
joe rogan
Not really.
bryan callen
In a way, like, just, well, yeah, you're right.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
I don't know.
bryan callen
It's a boring conversation.
All right, cheers, boys.
eddie bravo
Dude.
brendan schaub
Cheers to not getting knocked out training games.
bryan callen
Hey, that's a huge glass you just poured yourself.
unidentified
You poured this.
bryan callen
What is it, Kool-Aid?
brendan schaub
Am I going crazy?
unidentified
No, you did.
No.
brendan schaub
It's these fucking voices, man.
eddie bravo
Hey, slow down, dude.
You got a child now.
How is fatherhood, man?
joe rogan
Who's this so far?
eddie bravo
Isn't it amazing?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's the best, man.
Dude.
Well, like, the first couple months, like, eh, he needs his mom.
It's whatever.
He doesn't recognize me.
Now, he's finally recognizing me.
You know what I'm saying?
He loves the shit out of me.
joe rogan
And we look identical.
eddie bravo
It gets so...
bryan callen
Wait, show him the picture.
eddie bravo
It gets better and better.
bryan callen
You see a picture of him?
eddie bravo
It gets better and better and better.
joe rogan
I've seen a few pictures.
It's awesome.
It's not...
There's nothing like it.
You know, I'm not the guy.
eddie bravo
Wait till he says daddy hold me.
brendan schaub
I want a squad.
Wait till he says daddy.
I want, like, five.
I want five.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not the guy that tells people that they need it in their life.
Because, uh, smoke that.
unidentified
Alright guys, we're going down a weird rabbit hole now.
eddie bravo
Hey listen, all you guys out there, I say, live single and experience everything and travel the world.
And then once you do all that shit, there's good shit.
The kid stuff, it used to be, when I was growing up, getting a girl pregnant was like Your life is over!
Your life is over!
Nowadays, it seems like people are having kids and their life means more than ever.
brendan schaub
It's also the people you're hanging out with.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the people you're hanging out with.
But you know what, man?
I've come across a lot of different people in this world.
And I think at a certain point in time, I... Personally think we gotta stop like thinking everybody's gonna live the same way.
Yeah, you know, and if if somebody gets pregnant at 18 and they marry the the their high school sweetheart at 18 That shit sometimes works.
Oh, yeah, just like hell.
Yeah, but we're immediately as men were like that fucking dude damn So pure Well, you know what, man?
It's not just that, but it's also everybody's fucking different, man.
You know, that's like for some people, they find the right person like real early and they just grow together.
They figure out a way to be like really open and friendly really early and they grow together.
brendan schaub
There's also nothing worse when I meet a 50 year old, and we have a friend like this, who's not married, has no girlfriend, still playing the field, and he's lonely as fuck.
I'm like, that's how this movie ends, my man.
Not everyone's fucking George Clooney, buddy.
It looks fun, but it's super lonely.
eddie bravo
Man, there were times in my life, and me and Joe discussed this many times before we had kids, like, do we really want kids?
You're like, do you want kids?
I think I want kids, but not now, but maybe.
And then a lot of kids.
It's like, fuck, I don't want kids.
Fuck that.
And then you'd see fathers on planes with their kids and they're like, fuck, we're lucky we're not them.
So there were times where I thought, man, I don't want any kids.
I think I was afraid that I was going to feel the same way about my kids as my real dad felt about me.
And that would have been a nightmare.
So I'm like, maybe I got that same shit that my dad has that he don't give a fuck about his kids.
So I'm like, I'm afraid to have kids because I'm afraid that my kid is going to feel about me like I feel about my dad and that would make me want to fucking hang myself.
So there was a lot of time for like, I'm thinking no kids, no kids.
But then I'm like, maybe kids?
I don't know.
Same thing Joe.
There's times where Joe was saying no kids.
But I will say this.
Let me finish real quick.
Let me finish this really quick.
If I was if I was if I found out I was gonna die in five minutes One of my messages would be to all these kids grown up and everything the me like my My version of the meaning of life really after all the shit after no kids kids fuck having kids I want to be free and all that shit I live single up to I'm 40 I would say Having kids is the meaning of life.
That's what I would say.
Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I would say.
I would leave my advice like, you're all confused and all that shit.
At the end of the day, when you're getting old, and everyone's going to get old, unless they die young, but when you get old, you're kids.
Your kids are everything.
They're everything.
And then your grandkids.
Without kids, if you're going to grow old and alone, if I was going to die, I'd say, don't.
Try to have kids.
Don't die old and alone.
brendan schaub
You only have one, though, yeah?
eddie bravo
Don't.
I want more.
brendan schaub
Yeah, for sure.
Let's pop out more, though.
Yes.
unidentified
For me.
brendan schaub
Just give this huge speech on kids.
eddie bravo
Right now, man, I'm super crazy ultra...
I'm a family man right now.
It's everything to me.
It's everything.
My life is...
I every day remind my...
Because sometimes you get so busy and you've got all these decisions and there's so much shit going on.
brendan schaub
Why don't you adopt like six African kids?
eddie bravo
You're with your kid and you're thinking about...
The Eddie Bravo Orphanage.
The 10th Planet Orphanage.
brendan schaub
10th Planet Kids.
eddie bravo
There's 10. I'm going to stop with this.
Sometimes you're with your kids and you guys out there, you might feel the same way if you're with your kids.
Sometimes you're with your kid and you're spending these beautiful moments together, but you're thinking about all this stressful shit and all these decisions you've got to make in your life and fucking EBI AIDS coming up September 11th.
You're like, fuck.
But then I stop and I think.
unidentified
Nice plug.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
eddie bravo
That was impressive.
Seriously, this was all day.
unidentified
Fight pass.
eddie bravo
This is stressful shit.
And I'm thinking, I'm here, I'm on the beach today.
I'm at the beach with my son.
I'm like, these are the moments I'm going to be thinking about when I'm dying.
And I'm fucking thinking about some bullshit.
Right now, this is a moment that I would want to come back to if there was a time machine and I can get back...
I would come back to this moment, and I wouldn't be thinking about any of the bullshit.
I would be thinking about every millisecond I had with my son on the beach, playing in the water and shit.
And I'm thinking about other shit, so I constantly remind myself what is the most important thing.
brendan schaub
Kids that do that, my man.
eddie bravo
That motherfucker right there, he's the most important thing.
brendan schaub
That little motherfucker right there?
eddie bravo
I hear you.
You know what I mean?
So, I'm going to stop.
I'm done.
brendan schaub
For sure you need more kids, though.
I do.
eddie bravo
I do.
I want more.
Well, I'm done.
brendan schaub
Joel looks exhausted.
joe rogan
I'm done.
No, listen, what you're saying is all beautiful.
brendan schaub
For sure, man.
I'm with you.
eddie bravo
That's the most important thing when I provide myself.
I'm like, shit, I got all this shit.
joe rogan
I'm like, listen, focus on this motherfucker.
I think for all of us, living in the moment is very important.
brendan schaub
And it's tough to do.
joe rogan
It's hard to do.
It's something you've got to be real conscious of because it's so easy to get trapped up with your thoughts.
Your thoughts can get gummed up with some unnecessary patterns.
bryan callen
Even plans, right?
Trying to foresee the future.
eddie bravo
You've got to remind yourself what the most important thing is.
And the most important thing, if you've got kids, that should be the base of your existence right there.
If it's not, something's wrong.
bryan callen
Besides having kids, there are those moments...
What do you think when you were in your 30s that you had that one switch where you decided you were going to...
joe rogan
Is that Paige Van Zandt in a Sprite commercial?
brendan schaub
No, this is that bullshit mobile phone.
It's like cricket, but for UFC. Oh.
bryan callen
Huh.
brendan schaub
Metro PCS. They're only in the hoods.
bryan callen
She's adorable.
brendan schaub
They're like 9.99 flippo.
joe rogan
This is a sad, like, they're like diminishing that poor man.
He has to chase her and she's not tired and he's exhausted.
brendan schaub
It's Metro PCS. She's got some beefy arms too.
unidentified
It's very Metro.
brendan schaub
It's very Metro.
Metro's cricket, yes.
joe rogan
Right, like, if he tried to get fucking crazy, she would beat his ass.
brendan schaub
Maybe.
joe rogan
That's the commercial.
brendan schaub
He might be a black belt.
Oh, that's the commercial.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
In that commercial, right there, that girl beats that dude's ass.
brendan schaub
You put me in that commercial, I'll sprint past that bitch.
Hey, Brendan, she ain't beating me anywhere in the world.
eddie bravo
Two or three years ago, guys...
unidentified
Cut!
brendan schaub
Dude, you gotta let her beat you.
It ain't fucking happening, man.
eddie bravo
Two or three years ago, guys, MMA fans or experts or whatever, there would be a big movement on how, no matter how good an MMA female fighter is, she could never beat a normal man.
It's totally different.
bryan callen
Well, now these...
eddie bravo
I think shit's different now.
joe rogan
Oh, I know.
bryan callen
Depends on the culture, Eddie.
eddie bravo
Oh, come on.
bryan callen
Depends on the culture.
In Spain?
eddie bravo
Claudia will fuck up a dude who doesn't train.
A dude who doesn't train, which is 99. How big?
How big, though?
It does matter.
It always matters in everything.
Within experts in jiu-jitsu, it matters.
It always matters.
unidentified
But an entretening 250-pound dude and Claudia...
brendan schaub
He's gonna knock that bitch to the moon.
eddie bravo
No, but if he's like 99.9999% of the population who doesn't train, I'll put my fucking money on Claudia.
joe rogan
Are you talking about Claudia Gedalia?
eddie bravo
Yes!
joe rogan
Are you kidding me?
brendan schaub
He's 250 pounds.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
If he doesn't train?
joe rogan
Yeah, but if he's way bigger than her?
eddie bravo
She would still get his back and still choke the fuck.
I'll put my money on her.
joe rogan
Maybe because she's got jujitsu.
eddie bravo
If he doesn't train.
joe rogan
It's possible.
It's possible.
eddie bravo
250-pound guy that doesn't train against Claudia.
Today, if you're going to put your money on...
Claudia will get her...
She'll stand on the outside.
brendan schaub
I'd have to see the guy.
joe rogan
It depends on what kind of guy.
If he was like a Ray Lewis...
eddie bravo
Hey, listen.
joe rogan
Like, Ray Lewis doesn't train...
eddie bravo
I'm not talking about...
brendan schaub
He would spike on her head.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying?
brendan schaub
Bill Romanowski doesn't train.
unidentified
He doesn't train.
brendan schaub
Claudia touches him, he's gonna flicker back to Brazil.
unidentified
Man, you guys are talking about a 250-pound Ray Lewis.
I'm talking about 99.999% of the population.
joe rogan
We're just trying to clarify.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I'm trying to see what you...
Ray Lewis doesn't train.
joe rogan
I'm trying to say it.
eddie bravo
Eddie, you need more wine.
Hey, listen.
unidentified
My point is...
eddie bravo
No, don't say that.
brendan schaub
No, no.
eddie bravo
My point is...
The top UFC female fighters today, I would always put my money on them over a guy, any guy on the planet that doesn't train.
I'm going to put all my money on a professional UFC champion.
Think about Johanna on the street and there's a 190 pound guy who's never trained.
Who are you going to put your money on if there was a confrontation in an alley?
brendan schaub
I've got to see the guy, Eddie.
unidentified
Show me a picture of the fucking It's Johanna.
eddie bravo
Come on!
Generally, I'm not talking about technically.
We gotta get no age.
What are you gonna want?
The guy's background and what he did growing up and all that shit?
I'm talking about generally.
brendan schaub
If he played high school football, he's 250 pounds, he's in shape, does CrossFit, he will kick that bitch straight in the throat.
unidentified
CrossFit?
brendan schaub
What world are you in?
unidentified
What fucking world are you living in?
eddie bravo
You're gonna put your money on a CrossFit guy who's never trained martial arts over Johanna.
brendan schaub
Who's wearing some caterpillar boots and doesn't give a fuck about women?
eddie bravo
You hate women.
Eddie, what an indictment.
I'm done.
I'm done.
I'll put my money on Claudia.
If Claudia...
brendan schaub
I gotta see the guy, Eddie.
eddie bravo
Johanna's 115 pounds, and if she was gonna go against a 200-pound random dude who doesn't train...
bryan callen
She's gonna mess him up.
brendan schaub
You say Claudia.
Fuck that dude up.
eddie bravo
That's gonna be a little...
That's...
What are you talking about, guys?
Jesus fucking Christ.
These are professional killers!
unidentified
Just because a girl's like, no, a guy is a guy, and a guy just smashes.
bryan callen
It's a bad Brendan impersonation.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on what kind of guy you're talking about.
eddie bravo
These are professional.
Yes, correct.
joe rogan
It just depends.
I'm with you 100%.
eddie bravo
I don't even give a fuck if the guy played high school football and he's fucking a state champion.
I would take a state champion.
Come on.
joe rogan
That's where I disagree.
eddie bravo
Oh, you're going to put your...
Those guys, they never train though.
They never train.
joe rogan
They know how to tackle people.
unidentified
They got this.
joe rogan
They got this.
If you got a college football player as a starting linebacker.
eddie bravo
You think guys know how to throw?
joe rogan
You could just throw a punch?
bryan callen
Just because you're big and he's doing whatever he wants.
eddie bravo
You gotta train to throw punches.
brendan schaub
You don't watch world star hip-hop.
eddie bravo
You gotta train, Eddie.
brendan schaub
You don't watch world star hip-hop.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this, Eddie.
In all earnestness.
In all earnestness.
unidentified
Okay, you got it.
joe rogan
Eddie, there has to be some sort of a weight...
That you're talking about.
Like, if there's two people at 115 pounds, one of them is Ioannion Jacek, and the other one is Mitch Frickin' Fuck.
brendan schaub
At Kingco's.
joe rogan
From fucking Westchester, New York.
bryan callen
He's going to sleep.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy who works in the accounting office and eats McDonald's every weekend.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's getting his head kicked off.
brendan schaub
He's getting a nose done.
eddie bravo
He's a man!
joe rogan
I'm talking about a non-training athlete or non-athlete male the same size as her.
She's going to kill him.
eddie bravo
The lesbian community is coming after you guys.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
We're just trying to establish some parameters here.
What she's capable of doing If you're talking about...
There's a spectrum.
And there's the non-training, non-athlete male that's the same size as her.
She'd kill him.
brendan schaub
He's gonna get fucked up.
joe rogan
He's gonna get fucked up.
Most likely, right?
But then, as you get bigger and bigger...
Physics.
You get different things.
What if the guy wrestled in high school?
Does that count as being trained?
He wrestled one year in high school.
eddie bravo
You guys love men.
joe rogan
You guys fucking love men.
What if he took some karate classes when he was in high school?
brendan schaub
What if he's just a tough guy who fights a bar?
eddie bravo
I said he never trained.
joe rogan
He knows how to kick and punch, but he also does CrossFit and he's 250 fucking pounds.
brendan schaub
Shredded.
joe rogan
Then it gets weird.
bryan callen
It does get weird because you're not going to hurt him.
brendan schaub
What if he's just fighting bars?
He's just your local tough guy.
eddie bravo
I'll put my money on Claudia.
I'll put my money on Claudia.
God bless you.
joe rogan
You might be right.
brendan schaub
195 pound high school football player.
eddie bravo
High school football player against Claudia.
He might win, but you got to go, shit.
You don't know what's going to happen.
bryan callen
You might get surprised.
You might get surprised.
eddie bravo
She's going to get this dude's back.
I've seen big dudes come in class all the time.
They get wrecked by my girls.
joe rogan
I see it all the time.
I see it.
brendan schaub
They're doing jiu-jitsu.
They're starting in a jiu-jitsu manner.
Put that big dude on his feet.
joe rogan
That's where it gets weird.
brendan schaub
If he lands an uppercut, that bitch is going to think she's on another dimension.
joe rogan
If he never had a punch at all, and he's a big giant dude...
eddie bravo
But they've never trained.
They've never trained.
bryan callen
I think Eddie has a point.
I think Eddie has a point.
You have a point.
eddie bravo
99% of the population has never trained.
brendan schaub
I'm agreeing with Eddie.
If they're the same weight...
eddie bravo
You guys hate chicks.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
bryan callen
No, Eddie's right.
If it's Claudia or if it's Joanna, and they're fighting a 195-pound male who's never trained, the male's going to be in some trouble for a lot of reasons.
One, on the ground, he's going to have some trouble.
unidentified
How's she going to take the line?
joe rogan
Let's stop the sex thing altogether.
Let's just go with the size of humans.
If Mighty Mouse has to fight Ray Lewis in his prime, there's a fucking problem.
Okay?
unidentified
Mighty Mouse has a fucking giant problem.
eddie bravo
I put my money on Mighty Mouse.
joe rogan
Okay, but Eddie, okay, but let's stop saying this is a male or a female thing.
You want to eat a J-Check weighs 10 pounds less than Mighty Mouse.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Okay?
And she's a woman.
It's not saying that women can't beat the fuck out of men.
They absolutely can.
But at a certain weight, it becomes weird.
And it depends on what kind of athlete you're talking about.
It depends on what.
bryan callen
It depends.
unidentified
It always depends, yes.
joe rogan
If they have any experience in moving their body at all, the key word has to be totally uncalled.
What kid grows up with zero knowledge of how to throw a punch?
Who the fuck are they?
I want to meet these people.
eddie bravo
Most people can't throw punches.
joe rogan
They know how to throw a shitty...
They know how to throw a shitty, looping, dog shit punch.
But if it lands and you're way smaller than them, you're fucked.
If you're a 110 pound accountant and there's a 300 pound Samoan dude that's never sparred a day in his life...
eddie bravo
Why do you gotta make Samoans?
joe rogan
Because they're the strongest!
eddie bravo
Okay, listen.
David Tula, motherfucker!
I'm talking about the odds and betting.
I'm not saying 100%.
bryan callen
I think you're right.
joe rogan
You're talking about gambling.
eddie bravo
Of course a guy can throw.
Of course you're never going to bet and go, a million percent I'm going to win.
bryan callen
That guy's not going to hit you on it.
eddie bravo
Yes, if that big dude lands that crazy looping punch that he learned from watching Chuck Norris movies, yes, he will knock him out.
But the money, you've got to put the money.
The money's on Claudia.
bryan callen
Claudia's not going to get hit by an overhand shitty looping shot.
She's going to move out of the way.
unidentified
Here's the point.
bryan callen
You're going to get that dude's You and I are feminists.
You guys are fucking chauvinists.
joe rogan
This is the point and this is what we love about MMA. This is the point and what I love about martial arts.
You might be right.
You might be right.
To pretend you know you're right is ridiculous, but you might be right.
It's entirely possible that Claudia Gedalia could fuck up Ray Lewis and that they could have a crazy wild scrap Not Ray Lewis.
bryan callen
Don't use Ray Lewis.
He's just too much of a super athlete.
unidentified
Now you're backing up.
bryan callen
He was a state wrestling champion.
joe rogan
She catches him in a truck.
eddie bravo
Why do you have to bring up Ray Lewis?
Oh, so they're a good athlete.
Why Ray Lewis?
bryan callen
Ray Lewis killed two people.
unidentified
Ray Lee Gunn represents the ultimate non-fighting guy.
joe rogan
When I think of a guy who's not a fighter, but is just a fucking superior athlete.
bryan callen
He's going to do whatever he wants to those girls.
joe rogan
I think of Ray Lewis.
unidentified
He's never trained.
Because I don't know shit about football, but I've watched Ray Lewis move.
joe rogan
I've watched that guy run through people.
eddie bravo
Most people are not Ray Lewis.
joe rogan
That's a small percentage of the population.
bryan callen
It's a.01.
joe rogan
Hershel Walker!
Even less than Ray Lewis!
unidentified
Disaster!
eddie bravo
Keep him away from me!
bryan callen
Disaster!
joe rogan
Keep him away from me no matter what you weigh!
bryan callen
They're.01 percenters, those guys!
Jesus!
joe rogan
In every way!
bryan callen
Look at him!
unidentified
Look at him!
Just get the fuck out of here!
Just get the fuck out of here!
bryan callen
Goddamn!
joe rogan
If you're Claude Ciccadillo, you've got a huge problem on your hands!
bryan callen
We're talking about betting!
eddie bravo
We're talking about betting!
joe rogan
Oh, Eddie, stop!
bryan callen
He'll run right at you, Eddie!
joe rogan
He'll run right at you!
bryan callen
He'll do whatever he wants!
unidentified
Look at that tackle!
bryan callen
You die!
joe rogan
Look at how he tackled these people!
eddie bravo
Fuck him up!
brendan schaub
I don't know what you smoked, Eddie.
joe rogan
Ray Lewis?
bryan callen
Claudia would fuck up Ray Lewis?
joe rogan
Fuck yes!
bryan callen
Stop it, dude!
eddie bravo
I would put my money on Claudia!
joe rogan
Here's the match.
I would put my money on Claudia.
Here's the match.
Claudia Gedalia versus Ray Lewis in the middle of a football field.
Ray gets a running start.
eddie bravo
How about the Cyborg versus Ray Lewis?
joe rogan
Fuck that story.
bryan callen
You want to go with Super Athlete?
brendan schaub
I'm going with Super Athlete.
eddie bravo
Who would you put your money on?
brendan schaub
Ray Lewis versus Ray Lewis?
unidentified
Ray Lewis would smash her on her head like a fake wrestling move.
eddie bravo
No way!
bryan callen
You actually think so?
eddie bravo
No, maybe.
bryan callen
170 pounds.
eddie bravo
You can't put money on that.
bryan callen
175 pounds.
brendan schaub
I'm going to leave this room.
unidentified
I'm going to leave this room if you think Cyborg beats Ray Lewis.
bryan callen
I do.
joe rogan
We've got to really stop talking over each other.
And we gotta really, like, open up this discussion to more of a give and take, more of a flow.
bryan callen
Look at Talos Latis right now.
Take a fight break, guys.
We're gonna take a fight break.
Hold on.
joe rogan
Talos Latis has got Chris Camozzi's back.
bryan callen
We're taking a fight break, guys.
brendan schaub
That's bad news for Chris.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Talos is a world champion in jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Look, Ray Lewis is a superior athlete.
brendan schaub
You guys picked He's one of the best players of all time.
joe rogan
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
I'm thinking of a super explosive...
unidentified
He's the number one non-martial arts guy in history against Claudia.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
You can't say Herschel Walker.
You can't say Herschel Walker because Herschel Walker is an actual martial artist.
eddie bravo
John Stockton from the Utah Jazz.
John Stockton versus Claudia Goodell.
brendan schaub
John Stockton?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Fucking wheel kicker in the face.
Come on.
He's John Stockton!
eddie bravo
You're gonna put money on John Stockton.
brendan schaub
He's the most assist ever in the NBA. Yes!
eddie bravo
You're gonna go with John Stockton.
bryan callen
Seriously?
eddie bravo
Over Claudia Gidea.
bryan callen
John's never fought.
eddie bravo
Oh my God.
brendan schaub
Fuck both of you two.
bryan callen
Claudia Gidea.
eddie bravo
I'm done.
joe rogan
Please, everybody.
Claudia Gidea.
brendan schaub
Brian, you fought taekwondo.
You think you can beat Claudia up?
You're 170 pounds soaking wet.
joe rogan
Her name's Claudia.
eddie bravo
Who would you put your money on?
brendan schaub
Can you beat her up?
eddie bravo
Who would you put your money on, Brian?
bryan callen
I mean, I don't want to say anything I love.
brendan schaub
Because you think you're going to beat her up.
And you think you're a better athlete than John Stockton?
joe rogan
Guys, we can't talk over each other like this.
This is ridiculous.
bryan callen
No, but John Stockton's never done anything.
He's never wrestled, never thrown a punch.
brendan schaub
He might have been in bar fights, though.
So you think you're doing a few years of taekwondo?
bryan callen
It's more than a few years, but keep going.
brendan schaub
You could beat her up?
bryan callen
I never said I could beat up anybody.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
brendan schaub
This is disturbing.
I'm asking, okay.
bryan callen
If a grown man has never had...
brendan schaub
I'm asking, can Brian Callen...
joe rogan
How the fuck did we go from Ray Lewis to Brian Callen in one job?
unidentified
I love the comparison.
brendan schaub
Ray Lewis is too easy.
joe rogan
Listen, can we get Dean Cain in the mix?
Can I get like a mediary?
bryan callen
Dean Cain is the bridge!
He's the bridge!
Dean Cain is a great name.
joe rogan
Herschel Walker.
bryan callen
He played D1 Walk, Dean Cain.
joe rogan
Herschel Walker and you.
Dean Cain.
eddie bravo
Who do you got?
bryan callen
That's a great bridge.
joe rogan
He's a stud.
bryan callen
Mario Lopez versus Claudio.
brendan schaub
Mario boxes all the time.
eddie bravo
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
eddie bravo
You're right.
You're right.
joe rogan
There's Dean Cain.
bryan callen
Yeah, now you might have to have a guy between me and Dean.
That's a big bridge.
joe rogan
I'm trying to be nice.
You're my friend.
bryan callen
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
joe rogan
There's a gang of people.
There's a gang of people between you two.
bryan callen
There probably is.
I hate to say it.
brendan schaub
What about Jason Statham?
joe rogan
He's in between.
bryan callen
Versus who?
unidentified
Cyborg?
brendan schaub
Oh no, Ben Affleck.
How about Ben Affleck?
joe rogan
Versus who?
eddie bravo
Rhonda?
joe rogan
Versus who?
You guys are so serious!
unidentified
What the fuck is going on right now?
eddie bravo
Oh my god!
I'm serious!
I've never seen Joe more serious!
joe rogan
I guarantee you, I can bring you a gang of bitches that can fuck up Ben Affleck.
That's Batman, you motherfucker!
Just say jump, motherfucker.
unidentified
That's Batman.
joe rogan
I'm making a call.
unidentified
We're going to make some shit happen.
bryan callen
Look at him right there.
He's telling me.
joe rogan
I will get your ass kicked.
brendan schaub
I've never seen you more yet since in my life.
joe rogan
I will get your ass kicked.
Hey, Brendan, serious question.
Can we let each other talk?
This is one of those things where it really does come up.
You're talking about the difference between a trained fighter and an actor.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Who do you put your money on?
Ben Affleck or Cyborg?
Right now.
brendan schaub
Oh, Cyborg.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
bryan callen
Cyborg.
brendan schaub
She's a million dollars.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
unidentified
Ben Affleck represents the average man.
brendan schaub
You said Claudia.
joe rogan
But he's the average male.
Ben Affleck looks athletic.
I don't know how much he did in his stunts in Batman.
bryan callen
He's a big guy.
joe rogan
He can move.
He's a big guy.
He's a strong guy.
bryan callen
I need to say one thing.
joe rogan
There's a giant difference between him and a cyborg.
bryan callen
Let me ask a question.
I want to ask a question.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm talking about.
bryan callen
This is to Brennan the MMA fighter.
brendan schaub
That's Batman and he was in Good Will Hunt.
He did do some fighting.
bryan callen
Hold on, Brennan.
For real.
This is a real question.
Let's get scientific.
You guys ready to get scientific?
I'm serious here.
Ready?
joe rogan
Okay.
bryan callen
Brennan.
Cyborg at 175 pounds.
You put her in the octagon against Ray Lewis.
And I'm talking about Ray Lewis when he was playing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
Okay, now we know Ray Lewis is a freak athlete, one of the greatest football players of all time.
eddie bravo
State champion wrestler.
bryan callen
Hold on, hold on.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't know that.
It's a rout.
bryan callen
Hold on.
Now wait.
Wait.
brendan schaub
Keep going.
bryan callen
Explain to me, though, how Ray Lewis deals with Cyborg's striking and her jujitsu.
joe rogan
Oh, how about he picks her up and throws her to the fucking moon?
bryan callen
Then what?
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
unidentified
He can crush her by slamming her to the ground.
eddie bravo
I'm with you, Brian.
joe rogan
He's so big, strong, and powerful.
eddie bravo
You're going to put your money on him?
brendan schaub
So check it out.
bryan callen
Wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Cyborg?
Ray Lewis?
brendan schaub
Cyborg brawls, right?
Let's say Cyborg tags him.
Probably not going to knock him out.
bryan callen
Sure.
unidentified
He lands one fucking Baltimore punch.
eddie bravo
Dude, how is he gonna land that punch?
Cyborg is a trained striker.
brendan schaub
She gets hit all the time.
She gets hit all the time?
eddie bravo
Oh, come on.
bryan callen
She might slip her dog.
eddie bravo
It's Ray Lewis!
We need a tale of a tape with Cyborg versus Ray Lewis.
unidentified
That's what we need.
joe rogan
Put that shit on Instagram.
Here's issue number one, okay?
We're dealing with almost 100 pounds of difference.
Yes, of pure muscle.
And a man.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay, so we're dealing with a super athlete in Ray Lewis who's a good solid 240 versus a woman who fights at 145 but really is a 145. And he's also a Hall of Famer.
brendan schaub
Some say the best linebacker of all time in the NFL. But it's all in the debate though.
eddie bravo
You got people on both sides.
You guys are making good points, but we're making good points too.
You don't really know.
joe rogan
Competitive wrestling experience.
bryan callen
Yeah, huge difference.
joe rogan
That's a giant difference.
I guarantee you, Ray Lewis has beat someone's ass before.
eddie bravo
He killed a guy!
You gotta train to throw punches.
joe rogan
One of his friends allegedly was involved in an altercation where a man went to heaven.
unidentified
Guys, guys, guys, guys, wait a minute.
bryan callen
Ray Lewis, Ray Lewis, hold on.
Ray Lewis could also, he could pick her up, throw her to the ground.
Ray Lewis could also start punching her in the face and get armbarred.
And we know that you're talking about Ray Lewis' huge arm.
Hold on.
No, he takes her down.
He takes her down.
joe rogan
Listen, can he learn about this fight a week before it happens?
brendan schaub
Yeah, does it just happen in here?
bryan callen
The answer to that question, sir, is no.
joe rogan
That's an important question.
bryan callen
It's very important.
eddie bravo
When was he aware of the fight?
joe rogan
Listen to me.
Listen to me.
If I could get Michael Irvin...
He finds out the game.
How old is Michael Irvin now?
brendan schaub
40-something.
joe rogan
If I could just get six weeks with Michael Irvin, any woman in the world that wants to get crazy could step up.
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
I agree.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
You bring him to Farasa, Javi.
eddie bravo
No training camp.
We're not talking about a fucking training camp.
You just found out.
Ray Lewis.
You're talking about training camp?
joe rogan
Oh, look at him.
eddie bravo
He's so serious.
unidentified
He finds out.
eddie bravo
Day of.
And then you fight.
Cyborg versus Ray Lewis.
brendan schaub
My money would be on Ray Lewis 100% of the time.
eddie bravo
Amazing.
I'm shocked.
I'm standing here shocked.
With my jaw on the fucking floor.
brendan schaub
Do you not watch football?
Do you not watch football?
joe rogan
Okay, but let me tell you this.
I got my money on Cyborg 100% 100 times in a row against Ben Affleck.
eddie bravo
Yeah!
joe rogan
Yes!
Big difference!
Bet the house on the Brazilian gal!
brendan schaub
100%.
bryan callen
All in!
brendan schaub
100%.
eddie bravo
All in!
unidentified
100%.
eddie bravo
You put money on Ray Lewis, though?
joe rogan
Ray Lewis is so much bigger, and I think he probably knows how to fight.
He's not totally unskilled.
eddie bravo
Listen, you think she can stop the shot?
joe rogan
Do you think she can stop the shot?
unidentified
No, no.
bryan callen
Ray Lewis is a bad example.
unidentified
How are you gonna stop the shot of a state champion wrestler's 1040 pounds?
bryan callen
That bitch is gonna fucking kneel when he comes in.
Ray Lewis is a bad example.
unidentified
He's just too good.
eddie bravo
He's a bad example.
unidentified
He's just too good.
eddie bravo
This ain't the Super Bowl!
joe rogan
This ain't the Super Bowl!
bryan callen
Ray Lewis is a bad example.
He's just such a freak athlete.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a bad example.
unidentified
This is the greatest event of all time!
This is the greatest event in the universe!
brendan schaub
Here's a huge X Factor.
unidentified
If you saw it in this bitch, because then they're both juiced to the gills.
eddie bravo
Hey, Cyborg's looking like...
unidentified
She's looking very natural.
eddie bravo
She's looking very natural.
joe rogan
In what world?
She's been tested as much as anybody.
She's 100% clean now.
eddie bravo
She's not crazy yoked no more.
bryan callen
Could Cyborg get behind Ray Lewis like this?
brendan schaub
Absolutely not, sir.
bryan callen
Why not?
brendan schaub
Because we live in the real world.
bryan callen
But he doesn't have to stop that.
joe rogan
Do you understand the difference between you, Brian, just you?
You and Ray Lewis.
brendan schaub
Ray Lewis would probably fuck me up.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
bryan callen
Not in real fight, Brennan.
brendan schaub
Ray Lewis would give me some problems.
bryan callen
No, that's not true.
You would kill him.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
bryan callen
You would stop him in less than a minute.
eddie bravo
I don't think so.
bryan callen
And I'm going to tell you why.
If he'd never trained, you would choke him to death.
joe rogan
But we know he's trained.
bryan callen
While Ray did some wrestling, Brennan would kill him.
joe rogan
Somebody showed Ray Lewis how to choke people.
eddie bravo
No training camp!
joe rogan
But hold up, hold up.
eddie bravo
You can't have a training camp!
joe rogan
But let's be realistic.
You don't think someone has shown Ray Lewis how to choke people to sleep?
How do I hold it like this?
bryan callen
Yeah, you're probably right.
joe rogan
And like this here?
bryan callen
You might be right.
brendan schaub
Oh, you mean just do this?
unidentified
I'm the captain of the fucking defense, which is complicated as fuck?
eddie bravo
I just do this?
unidentified
Oh, it's that easy?
eddie bravo
Oh, it's that easy?
bryan callen
Oh, here we go.
It's that easy?
joe rogan
It's definitely not that easy.
unidentified
It ain't that fucking easy.
eddie bravo
I got super athletes coming in all the time.
They don't know shit.
bryan callen
Eddie, hold on.
He's a smart guy.
joe rogan
He's a state champion wrestler.
bryan callen
He's also a smart guy.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
If you're the captain of a defense team, he was explaining to me how intricate football is.
You gotta have a brain.
That dude is smart as shit.
eddie bravo
Okay, Ray Lewis is a bad motherfucker.
Make no mistake about it.
Maybe the best.
He ain't gonna learn no fucking rear naked.
He's not gonna be rear naked.
unidentified
He doesn't need to.
bryan callen
You guys are not being respectful at MMA. I'm disgusted.
eddie bravo
Not until maybe five months into jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Kamozi with the right hand.
bryan callen
Kamozi with the right hand.
Kamozi is so tough.
eddie bravo
We got a scrap.
bryan callen
Kamozi is so tough.
brendan schaub
Fuck you and Ray Lewis.
This is way better.
joe rogan
One of the things I like the most about Kamozi is he maintains a steady pace through the entire fight.
bryan callen
Look at this.
unidentified
If he chokes him out...
brendan schaub
His pace just destroys people.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo just went to the bathroom.
Let's talk shit about him.
brendan schaub
That motherfucker's on one tonight!
joe rogan
Oh my god!
brendan schaub
That motherfucker's on one!
joe rogan
He's so passionate.
brendan schaub
Super passionate.
And you know what?
I think the moral of the story tonight?
Eddie needs to have more kids.
He needs to adopt some little African kids.
joe rogan
Well, it's beautiful.
I love hearing that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it was.
joe rogan
I love hearing that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, all 20 minutes.
joe rogan
I love hearing that.
He got a little crazy.
bryan callen
All 20 minutes.
joe rogan
I got a little crazy for a while.
brendan schaub
No, I got it in the first two minutes.
It was just sweet, though.
joe rogan
There was no way it was going to end.
brendan schaub
I tried even jumping in.
joe rogan
Listen, man, he's a passionate guy.
What he is saying is what is on his mind, and he's so overwhelmed with it.
But that's why he's so great at everything he does.
brendan schaub
He's also right, though.
joe rogan
Eddie gets obsessed with things.
He is right.
brendan schaub
He's also right.
There's nothing better than kids.
joe rogan
Eddie gets obsessed with things, and it's why he's this jujitsu...
brendan schaub
Phenom.
Phenom, yes.
joe rogan
I mean, that's really what it is.
And his mind works like that with everything.
And it's working like that with parenthood, too, which is a beautiful thing to see.
brendan schaub
If you're not obsessed with your kid, though, you kind of suck.
bryan callen
A lot of people aren't.
joe rogan
It's uncomfortable, for sure, to think that there's people out there that don't care, and they don't love people that are with them, and they don't love their families.
brendan schaub
Brian said, oh, a lot of people aren't, Brandon.
That's not fair.
unidentified
Hey, bro.
bryan callen
I didn't say anything.
A lot of people aren't.
I said it twice, too.
In a really weird way, like in a movie, I went, a lot of people aren't, Brandon.
joe rogan
A lot of people aren't.
brendan schaub
You're too young, Brandon.
bryan callen
When you say something twice, it's always kind of like one of those things.
joe rogan
Watch this.
unidentified
Hashtag shitty dick.
bryan callen
No, it means something else.
So you can say, watch this.
unidentified
Ready?
bryan callen
Watch this.
Joe Rogan's a strong...
No, wait.
Hold on.
Joe Rogan's a strong guy.
He's a strong guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a way to, like, you can sarcastically...
Or it adds something else.
Yeah, you can do a lot of different things if you say it twice.
brendan schaub
It means you're dead serious is what I thought.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's dead serious if you, like, overemphasize a second time, you know?
If you're like, Conor McGregor is a bad motherfucker, dude.
unidentified
Conor McGregor is a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Yes.
bryan callen
Now, hold on.
Here's an acting job.
Can you say it three times and change the third time's meaning?
brendan schaub
Like, what do you mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Conor McGregor's a bad motherfucker.
That motherfucker is bad.
That motherfucker is bad!
You see, it just boom, boom, boom.
bryan callen
But you got super, like, black.
brendan schaub
Well, no, that's how I talk.
I'm from Aurora.
That's what we do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Remember when Kimbo Slice asked you if you were black?
That's like one of my favorite stories from this podcast.
Kimbo Slate thought that he was black.
They had heard that there was a guy on the podcast, or on the podcast, on the Ultimate Fighter.
Oh shit, Talos Slate does has Kamozi.
He taps.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Damn.
Talos' jiu-jitsu is legit as fuck.
eddie bravo
Hell yeah.
brendan schaub
Poor Kamozi, he gets jacaray twice and then like a thousand ladies.
joe rogan
That's a big win for Talos Latis.
bryan callen
Yeah.
I haven't seen him in a long time.
joe rogan
Oh, so there was a guy on The Ultimate Fighter that was possibly a Nazi.
brendan schaub
He went full rogue racist.
joe rogan
And they got together and they were all talking about it and they went to Brendan.
Because they said, you know, they thought that Brendan was black.
And Brendan's like, dude, I'm not black.
He's like, you ain't black.
And Kimbo said, what did he say?
He goes, that's why I like Brendan.
brendan schaub
That's why I like Sean.
I can't tell what the fuck he is.
That's hysterical.
unidentified
It was the best.
brendan schaub
That's hysterical.
joe rogan
Talos Latis always had a nasty rear naked choke.
bryan callen
Talos Latis always had a nasty choke.
He always had a nasty choke.
eddie bravo
You know what?
brendan schaub
If he would have held that in for 30 more seconds, he would have turned him into a vegetable.
Good chance.
That's why there's refs there, Eddie.
bryan callen
Dude, there's a play, a sick play called The Toyer, and it's about this guy who has been coming into women's houses, and he sticks a needle in their back that causes them to become vegetables, like you're talking about, and then he dresses them up like dolls.
joe rogan
Eddie, look up there.
Oh no.
unidentified
That is so ridiculous.
brendan schaub
That's awful.
unidentified
Did you make up Jamie?
joe rogan
Did you make up Jamie?
Jamie, well done.
Jamie, that is so ridiculous.
That's amazing.
eddie bravo
Look at fucking Callen's face.
Can you Photoshop Ray Lewis in full football gear like tackling somebody in the octagon with cyborg knee in him in the face and it says, this ain't the Super Bowl, bitch?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That's a lot of work.
That was a lot of shit.
eddie bravo
If that's too hard, I apologize.
joe rogan
Send that to Photoshop Steve.
brendan schaub
They're already doing it right now.
Their people are doing it right now.
When you get out of here, you're going to have 40 of them.
joe rogan
Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan.
eddie bravo
If that's too much, I apologize.
brendan schaub
Joe Rogan, I'm not going to give you a pic.
eddie bravo
Just disregard that request.
bryan callen
Nate Diaz, Conor McGregor 2, what's your call?
brendan schaub
They didn't give a call.
joe rogan
I don't ever give a call.
unidentified
I know that.
bryan callen
I'm being dramatic.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
Nate Diaz has a full camp, but he also has all that goddamn press.
He's also got all that pressure, and Conor has an opportunity to prepare exclusively just for him.
And it's not like he didn't have some success in the first fight.
brendan schaub
A lot of success.
joe rogan
Because he pretty much dominated the first round.
He looked beautiful, but the problem was he tried to...
He used those one-hitter-quitter punches.
He tried to just crack them and drop them.
And Nate is a bigger, stronger man than most of the people that Connors fought.
And he knows how to absorb punches.
And he sparred with a lot of world-class boxers like Andre Ward.
bryan callen
Who's fighting right now.
joe rogan
Who's fighting tonight.
brendan schaub
Don't tell me the results.
joe rogan
I don't know the results.
I'm not touching my phone until I get back.
unidentified
Me neither.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
You guys are crazy.
I love Andre Ward.
brendan schaub
He's one of my favorite fighters.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
He's so fucking smart.
That's what I like about Andre Ward.
brendan schaub
Top three, pound for pound.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
He's so goddamn smart.
When he breaks down boxing, like when he does the analyst position on HBO, you realize, like, oh, okay, this dude is just a super smart guy.
brendan schaub
Undefeated gold medalist.
bryan callen
He's a monster.
eddie bravo
Gold medalist in the Olympics?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
bryan callen
You know what?
joe rogan
I was talking about him.
unidentified
Was there an Andre Ward that was a different Andre Ward?
bryan callen
No.
eddie bravo
Or is that football?
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Because I'm thinking Andre Ward's like...
brendan schaub
Andre Ward played for the Lions.
You're right.
eddie bravo
That's what I'm...
There's a boxer now.
Yes.
brendan schaub
He's the best boxer in the world.
eddie bravo
When you say underwear boxer, I'm like, is that guy like 45 now and fighting like Bernard?
brendan schaub
The Ward you're talking about played for the Detroit Lions.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Good call, Eddie.
bryan callen
I had a conversation with Andre Berto, who's in his camp.
That's a retarded call, actually.
eddie bravo
I got confused.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
bryan callen
So I had this conversation with Andre Berto about Andre Ward.
Because they're in the same camp and they're buddies.
They came up together.
And he was telling me that he learned a lot just watching Andre Ward.
The way Virgil Hunter has him do it, if you watch him warm up, he'll do things.
He's so technical where he...
Like, literally, he won't throw punches when he shadowboxes.
He spends a lot of time literally just doing the perfect kind of hooks.
Like, everything is...
Like, he's obsessed with...
joe rogan
For people who are not watching you, you're doing everything super slow in the air.
brendan schaub
And shadowboxing.
bryan callen
Everything.
He's obsessed with perfect technique.
Like, every detail.
Where his feet are.
And he always does that.
And he obsesses over exactly where his body's going to be in almost slow motion for a long time.
And then he'll start doing things.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't know.
bryan callen
Fundamentals.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I used to think that forms were stupid, and I used to think that, like, even throwing kicks in the air couldn't compare to doing things like throwing kicks in the bag.
And then, like, a lot of the decorative aspects of martial arts, like, you know, you throw a sidekick and you hold it up there, and then you throw a second sidekick, and then you do all these different combinations that you'd have to do in these forms.
I think they're stupid.
But now I understand that it's almost like you're doing, like, a form of yoga.
Yes.
But you're throwing those kicks out there and you're holding them in place.
And even though that's not how you would ever fight, these are all important movements if you could figure out how to do that and make it beautiful.
brendan schaub
The muscle memory.
joe rogan
And make that flow.
bryan callen
Well, also body control.
joe rogan
Yeah, body control.
Body control.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Jamie, bring up Andre Ward.
joe rogan
But for sidekicks, that is one of the most important aspects of throwing a sidekick is throwing it in the air.
Learning how to throw it in the air where your body is moving forward.
Because if you use a bag prematurely, you grow accustomed to bouncing off of it.
And that's the difference between someone who bounces off of that technique and drives through it.
And the person who drives through it, when they drive with their hip, there's so much more power.
And it takes the same amount of time.
There's no difference in the amount of time.
But the amount of force that someone who knows how to really drive their hip forward, you develop that.
A lot of it is by kicking the air.
Because you snap.
And you extend that side kick out, and you pull it back, and you snap.
And it's all about doing it as fast as you can.
And then, once you develop the technique perfectly, then you start moving to kicking things.
Usually it's a person with a cushion that moves towards you slowly, or it's a really light bag, and you slowly develop your ability to move your weight into it.
But if you don't do it right, you can develop this one aspect of that kick that most people have, which is they kick off of people.
They kick them and they push off.
bryan callen
That's right.
The woman who's responsible for the Russian Revolution in tennis, like she came up with Sharapova and all these amazing tennis players.
She will have her students in a group, before they even hit a ball, just slowly, you know, literally just practicing their stroke in a really slow manner.
It's the same exact thing.
brendan schaub
I think their first two weeks of camp is all basics and super slow like that.
bryan callen
Jamie, bring up Andre Ward shadow boxing, warming up.
It's really wild to watch.
brendan schaub
Don't bring up it going on right now, though.
joe rogan
It is really interesting, man.
It is really interesting, the idea of what is the best way to learn how to execute certain techniques.
You know, there's always a lot of debate about it, man.
There's a lot of debate about how much sparring you should do versus how much, you know, simulation drills you should do versus how much bag work you should do.
bryan callen
Well, and this might be it.
I don't know if this is the one.
People are watching him right now.
There's another one where he's, yeah, he's being watched right now, so he's going to go faster.
brendan schaub
Well, he's just doing regular shadow watching there.
joe rogan
But he might not, man.
I mean, he doesn't give a fuck.
bryan callen
Bring up the other one.
Bring up the other one where he's, you'll see it even more slow.
eddie bravo
How nuts is that fight going to be?
unidentified
Holy shit.
Shit.
bryan callen
Look at how specific he is, though.
joe rogan
I'm interested in, I don't want to know who won tonight, but if Andre Ward wins, I'm very interested in him versus Kovalev.
brendan schaub
That's the plan.
It's for sure.
Kovalev has a fight, Ward has a fight, and the next is Kovalev.
joe rogan
Very interested in that fight.
brendan schaub
God, I tell you what, man.
If I had to put my money on someone right now, it's Kovalev.
joe rogan
Kovalev is scary.
brendan schaub
He killed a guy.
joe rogan
He did and you know what I was really most impressed was when he outboxed Bernard Hopkins.
bryan callen
See what he's doing right there?
See what he's doing?
Look at this.
joe rogan
He was boxing him up.
bryan callen
See what he's doing?
brendan schaub
He's going pretty fast, Brian.
I don't see it yet, buddy.
joe rogan
No, he's trying.
Some of it was slow.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no, it's super slow.
There we go.
joe rogan
Now he's speeding up.
unidentified
That is the most impressive shadow boxing I've ever seen.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
eddie bravo
He's so good.
It's interesting because he's throwing those punches with power.
You can tell in the snap.
It's all...
joe rogan
It's perfect.
It's Andre Ward for God's sake.
unidentified
That's Kata.
eddie bravo
That's Kata.
joe rogan
People talk shit on Kata.
eddie bravo
Oh, you won a Forum's gold medal?
People talk shit on Kata for so long.
This is just Kata.
joe rogan
Yeah, it might be even better even than Kata.
You know, what's interesting when you watch a guy like him do that, as opposed to that Russian gentleman that we were seeing earlier that's learning how to box, that's where you see the difference.
brendan schaub
We're talking about best in the world versus the guy who just learned last week.
joe rogan
But those movements, they're not unattainable.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like if you're watching someone do a move, right?
Like, say, if they're choreographing Michael Jackson's Thriller, all the zombies are doing it.
That was like a choreographed thing, right?
So the idea is that there's similar movement.
Everybody has similar movement.
Like, that movement that he's doing is not unattainable.
What he's doing is things that everyone can do.
They just can't do it the way he's doing it.
He's just done it 10,000 times.
But what makes it so special...
Nothing he's doing is crazy, acrobatic, ridiculous movements that the average person can't do.
Like Javier Rodriguez, who we're gonna watch fight tonight.
This fucking dude does wild shit.
brendan schaub
Flying kneebars, fucking wheel kicks.
joe rogan
Flying round kicks and jumping double round kicks.
brendan schaub
He's fun.
joe rogan
He's ridiculously athletic.
eddie bravo
Is he a capoeira guy?
joe rogan
No, he's a Taekwondo guy.
brendan schaub
Mexican dude.
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
He's a regular Mexican guy?
I thought he was Brazilian.
joe rogan
Mexican as fuck.
No, Mexican as fuck.
eddie bravo
Oh shit!
joe rogan
So what he's gonna do, the big difference is, what he's gonna do is shit that we can't do.
Like, you look at him throwing those kicks, you're like, fuck!
Like, look at this crazy guy!
Like, he's jumping, spinning cartwheels through the air and roundhouse kicking dudes in the back and the neck.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that ain't for everybody.
joe rogan
It's not for everybody.
eddie bravo
No, I think it is for everybody, just most people have never gone that far with the reps.
brendan schaub
Also, some people aren't explosive enough.
eddie bravo
It's not like Cirque du Soleil stuff.
brendan schaub
What he's doing, it takes some genetic capabilities.
eddie bravo
It's not genetic.
joe rogan
My point is that no one...
eddie bravo
It's not genetic.
He's Mexican.
Come on.
It's not genetic.
joe rogan
My point is that no one has a problem doing this or this or this or this.
No one has a problem throwing a normal punch at a very slow pace.
But you can't even do what he's doing like those cartwheel kicks.
You can't even do that slowly.
You can't move the way he's moving.
So the difference between what a guy like Yair can do and a guy like Andre Ward can do, in a way, it makes what Andre Ward can do even more impressive.
brendan schaub
Way more impressive.
joe rogan
Because he's boxing guys up, and he's doing it based on his understanding of each different position that might come up while two guys are trying to punch each other in the face.
brendan schaub
And also the basics.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Super solid.
joe rogan
But those basics, I could teach my daughter to do.
If she just listened to me and moved slowly.
I'm not saying that someone could punch someone or hurt someone immediately, but I think you could take a 60-year-old executive who's never thrown a punch in his life, and you have him stand there, just make him listen to you, make him put his foot here, lower your weight, lower your weight, okay, square your shoulders, hands up right where your cheekbones are, and just do this.
I just want you to do this.
Now do this.
Okay, now try to get the same guy to do a wheel kick.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you can't do that.
brendan schaub
He's gonna blow his asshole out.
joe rogan
So what Yair Kuhn Rodriguez would do is, in one way, more impressive, because he can do physical shit that most people can't do, but another way it makes what Andre Ward does more impressive.
Because Andre Ward is way better than everybody else at just doing shit that everybody can do.
bryan callen
Yes, that's true.
Because I think actually, what you're saying, what you're actually saying is that Punching is more anatomically natural, I think, to a human being walking around than is kicking.
Kicking is really hard.
Like, understanding a really good sidekick or a roundhouse or a wheel kick.
brendan schaub
It's not natural.
bryan callen
It's not natural.
joe rogan
But it's like everything else.
Even though punching is easy to attain, you can drill it into someone over and over and over and they can reach that razor-sharp level of proficiency where an Andrzej Ward or a Kovalev is.
bryan callen
Yeah.
Which I can't wait to see that fight, by the way.
brendan schaub
It's the best fight of the year.
eddie bravo
All the most acrobatical Taekwondo kicks that you could do in the cage.
There's some acrobatical Taekwondo stuff that's Cirque du Soleil stuff when you have those forms and dudes will start like fucking they'll spin like fuck!
That shit you'll never do, but maybe you will one day.
brendan schaub
A lot of guys can't do it, though, because they're not athletic enough.
eddie bravo
They don't have the vertical, they don't have the genetics.
That's the super crazy shit.
If you could do it in the cage, anybody could do it.
joe rogan
But listen, Michael Page did a 360 roundhouse kick in Bellator.
He knocks some dude out with a 360 roundhouse kick in the face.
brendan schaub
He's a freak.
joe rogan
He jumps spinning 360 roundhouse kick like he was a fucking dude in a video game.
bryan callen
Can I see that?
brendan schaub
He's the same guy that broke Cyborg's face.
eddie bravo
I love that dude.
joe rogan
Oh, he's so good.
eddie bravo
Michael fucking paid.
joe rogan
Venom paid.
brendan schaub
He's fun to watch, man.
unidentified
I barely watch Pelotor, but I remember him.
joe rogan
He's the breakout star of Bellator.
brendan schaub
They need to just keep feeding him.
joe rogan
Him and Chandler.
brendan schaub
He's their wonder boy.
joe rogan
People don't know how good Chandler is either.
brendan schaub
Well, Chandler beat Eddie Alvarez.
He's the UFC champ.
joe rogan
He didn't just beat Eddie Alvarez.
You see the way he knocked out Pitbull in his last fight?
brendan schaub
No, Michael Chandler's a fucking monster.
eddie bravo
Dude, Bellator vs.
brendan schaub
UFC might be cool.
Chandler and Michael Venom Page.
joe rogan
It's possible.
Look, I would love that.
brendan schaub
Wait, what did Eddie say?
Sorry, I missed it.
joe rogan
Bellator versus UFC could happen.
brendan schaub
Why the fuck would UFC do that?
joe rogan
I would, listen, man.
unidentified
Why not?
brendan schaub
Why not?
unidentified
Get crazy.
eddie bravo
Why would the UFC do that?
joe rogan
The new owners.
eddie bravo
Is that going to ruin the UFC? Would that ruin the new owners?
brendan schaub
No, it's going to ruin Bellator, but UFC would have no reason to do it.
joe rogan
Listen, man, I don't think it's ruining anybody.
I don't think it would be a bad idea.
It makes no sense.
I think there might be money in it.
I think there might be money in it.
Watch this.
Watch this.
Look at this.
Watch this.
Watch Paige.
He backs up.
Here it comes.
eddie bravo
Check this shit out.
He got him hurt.
unidentified
Boom!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
unidentified
He just stands there.
eddie bravo
You do that all the time.
bryan callen
Dude, he just stands there.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
He's a monster.
unidentified
That's a great way to win.
eddie bravo
That takes a lot of practice.
bryan callen
That's a great way to win.
eddie bravo
You can't just do that.
brendan schaub
They're being smart with him, too.
They're being super smart with him, which they should be.
He's their star, man.
And he speaks well.
He's a character.
He's awesome.
eddie bravo
Is he 170 or 55?
joe rogan
70. Damn.
I want to see that guy fight like world-class fighters.
I want to see that guy fight a really good wrestler.
bryan callen
Oh no, he just got caught in that.
joe rogan
Robbie Lawler.
Look, if Bellator, if the UFC's not going to sign Ben Askren, Bellator, sign Ben Askren.
brendan schaub
Ben Askren mops the floor with him.
joe rogan
I know that people have a problem with a guy who can just take everybody down.
That's the Andre Ward thing.
brendan schaub
That's the Andre Ward thing, though.
Ben Askren's the best at the bit.
You know exactly what the fuck he's gonna do.
joe rogan
But he still does it anyway.
brendan schaub
You cannot stop him.
joe rogan
He's the best in the world.
eddie bravo
Is he knocking everybody out?
Is he knocking everybody out?
joe rogan
He's knocking some people out in one FC because they let him use knees in the ground.
And he can use knees in the ground now with the new rules.
Ben Askren gets way more dangerous.
brendan schaub
Ben Askren mops the floor with anyone in Belgium.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I'm talking about Andre Ward.
Is he knocking everybody out?
joe rogan
Oh, he knocks a lot of guns out.
eddie bravo
He's a knockout artist.
He's a knockout artist.
brendan schaub
And he's at light heavyweight now.
eddie bravo
He's not like a Pernod Whitaker.
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
bryan callen
You guys might want to watch this fight.
joe rogan
And Honey Jason is throwing down.
bryan callen
Watch Samir Minis.
He's doing his front kicks to his body.
eddie bravo
That's a young Roberto Duran right there.
joe rogan
He's rough.
Roberto Duran was never that thick.
bryan callen
It's a good call.
No, he wasn't.
But Duran is a great...
eddie bravo
They made a movie about Roberto Duran.
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
Did you know they made a movie about Vinny Pazienza?
Have you seen that ad?
bryan callen
I want to see that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they made a movie about Pazienza.
bryan callen
Broke his neck in a car accident, came back and fought.
joe rogan
What are you, watching trailers all day?
bryan callen
Now I don't need to see the fucking movie.
I love Pazienza.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
brendan schaub
Spoiler alert.
Guy breaks his neck.
bryan callen
Well, no, he did it in real life, you bastards.
Look at Dennis Bermudez.
He's just crushing him.
brendan schaub
He's a fucking monster.
He won like seven in a row, remember that?
Then lost.
joe rogan
I met Pazienza in Vegas once, and he was wearing this beautiful suit with a bandana that was made out of the same material that he was made of.
bryan callen
Oh, he's awesome.
brendan schaub
You're fucking right.
joe rogan
He looked beautiful.
bryan callen
He looked beautiful.
Pazienza's a badass.
He's a badass Italian guy.
joe rogan
I fucking love him.
I went to see that guy fight.
I paid to see him fight a couple of times.
Me and my friend Jimmy Lawless, we went to Providence, Rhode Island to watch him fight.
bryan callen
Just a brawler.
eddie bravo
Did you see Lawless?
joe rogan
Jimmy Lawless.
That's his name.
eddie bravo
Is he related to Blackie Lawless?
joe rogan
Blackie Lawless?
brendan schaub
From Wasp?
bryan callen
I asked Boom Boom Mancini.
joe rogan
That's his real name, though.
Jimmy Lawless.
Like, your name's Eddie Bravo, and that sounds ridiculous.
His real name is Jimmy Lawless.
eddie bravo
My name sounds ridiculous.
joe rogan
Well, it sounds cool.
It sounds like a superhero.
Eddie Bravo.
brendan schaub
It sounds like you picked it.
joe rogan
Like, Bravo is like, you know, it's like Eddie Awesome.
It's like, my name's Eddie Awesome.
brendan schaub
I wish my name was Brendan Awesome.
eddie bravo
People really think that it's my stage name.
brendan schaub
Like a porno man.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that you can't pick your own name?
I just want to name myself something awesome.
Well, why can't you?
bryan callen
I did.
My name is The Kid.
brendan schaub
You did name yourself The Kid.
bryan callen
Nobody gave me that.
I came to set one day, I was doing a movie, and I said, my new name is The Kid.
Is that related to Larry?
The Larry effect?
I just call myself the kid, bro.
That's how you introduce yourself to me?
The cameraman started saying, hey kid, can you?
And I was like, what did you say?
And he goes, kid, can you move?
I go, it's the kid, so please call me the kid.
And I was dead serious.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
Brian and I have been friends for 20, what?
bryan callen
Two years or something like that?
Since 1995, sir.
joe rogan
Okay, so 21 years?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he always called himself the kid.
brendan schaub
He introduced himself as the kid to me.
joe rogan
He called himself the kid back when he was a kid.
brendan schaub
I love it.
bryan callen
I'm a young guy.
joe rogan
He was always the kid.
You know how the kid rolls.
He was always the kid.
He was always calling himself the kid.
bryan callen
I love that.
It's how the kid rolls.
joe rogan
Brian Callen always was ridiculous.
I remember the first time I went over to Brian Callen's house, he had no doorknob.
Okay?
I go to his house.
I get to his door.
I get to his door.
There's no fucking doorknob.
I'm like, dude, you don't have a doorknob?
He's like, no, no.
It's like a fucking homeless lady came in.
She was cooking eggs one day.
I go, what?
A homeless lady came in?
She was cooking eggs?
For real?
bryan callen
He goes, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I call the cops.
He's beating the fucking tar out of shit.
bryan callen
I used to walk my pit bulls with no leash.
They'd kill cats.
unidentified
I'd...
bryan callen
That was the worst thing.
They killed his cat, and I was like, oh no, and I grabbed the cat and ran away and buried it.
unidentified
He's got that professional base.
eddie bravo
Bermudez is just...
bryan callen
I felt so bad about that.
brendan schaub
Bermudez is so close to the title shot, he won seven in a row.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
He's beating him with the base.
Yeah, there's some dudes you cannot let posture up, and Bermudez is certainly one of them.
eddie bravo
He knows how to drive his weight and smash and crush.
brendan schaub
You know he has a cooking show?
joe rogan
Bermuda's does?
brendan schaub
Yes, on YouTube.
It's a cooking show, yeah.
And he's doing well with it.
joe rogan
Good for him.
brendan schaub
Him and Pat Cummins do the same shit.
Yeah, get it?
Him and Pat Cummins, they make their own sriracha and shit, ride bikes.
joe rogan
Oh man, that's awesome.
I love Pat Cummins.
brendan schaub
One of my favorite people.
joe rogan
He's a good dude, man.
I hung out with him.
We went to dinner one of the nights in Brazil before he beat Feijão.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
And he's a fucking good dude, man.
brendan schaub
He's one of the best, man.
bryan callen
He makes a mean sriracha.
A mean sriracha.
unidentified
Does he?
joe rogan
How do we get a hold of it?
brendan schaub
It's sugar-free sriracha.
joe rogan
Where do I get it?
brendan schaub
From Pat.
bryan callen
No Pat.
joe rogan
I want to buy it.
I want other people to be able to buy it.
brendan schaub
Well, it's not in fucking Ralph's.
Pat's like making it in his backyard.
joe rogan
We gotta get it.
unidentified
It's really good, dude.
brendan schaub
We don't have a Matt's production line.
bryan callen
It's special.
joe rogan
We gotta sell his formula to Anna and get Pat.
bryan callen
There's Matt Serra.
brendan schaub
I'm not mad at that idea.
joe rogan
Hey.
bryan callen
The great?
I thought it was Matt Serra.
joe rogan
That's not Matt Serra, you fucking asshole.
bryan callen
Sorry, Matt.
brendan schaub
How fucking dare you?
joe rogan
Matt, I'm sorry, dude.
bryan callen
Sorry, Matt.
I saw Matt do stand-up.
Matt was good.
joe rogan
Matt's a funny guy, man.
bryan callen
He was funny, man.
brendan schaub
Matt's hilarious.
One of my favorite people.
joe rogan
I'm doing their podcast this week.
The UFC Unfiltered.
Matt, Sarah, and Jim Norton have a podcast.
bryan callen
Matt was funny.
And so was Dana.
Dana actually was pretty good.
brendan schaub
Damn, he has Ultimate Fighter Tattoo.
joe rogan
Why not?
brendan schaub
That's aggressive.
unidentified
Fuck it.
joe rogan
Riding the storm, bitch.
brendan schaub
Yeah, get it, son.
Come on, man.
joe rogan
That changes his life, you know?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
Why not?
bryan callen
Why not?
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
What if it's like chained over his ex-girlfriend?
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
Who else is on that chain?
brendan schaub
It's Jason from the movie, Friday.
joe rogan
That's who's on his arm?
Yes.
brendan schaub
And then his back says jujitsu.
I love it all, man.
I love it all.
And then he has a Reebok sign on his neck.
bryan callen
Do you know what Reebok's new saying is?
You know what their logo is?
brendan schaub
My bad.
bryan callen
Be more human.
joe rogan
I want to be more human.
Be more like Dennis Bermudez.
Dude's a fucking beast.
bryan callen
Be more creative.
joe rogan
Look at him on top here.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he is fucking screwed up.
Dennis Bermudez is a beast.
Sweet.
Check this out.
joe rogan
Half Nelson, welcome to high school.
brendan schaub
Let me bully you real quick in front of everybody, motherfucker, and get paid for it.
bryan callen
Damn, he's tough.
eddie bravo
You know what you rarely see in MMA is fights stomped on cuts.
bryan callen
Conor's got his hands full with Dennis Bermudez if he comes down to 45. Bermudez ain't touching Conor.
joe rogan
Brian, Brian, Brian, Eddie was talking.
Come on, man.
We can't keep interrupting each other like this.
eddie bravo
It seems like in the UFC, blood isn't a big deal like it is in boxing.
It's like you rarely see fights stopped on cuts.
You rarely see that.
They let it go.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this blood.
bryan callen
You know what?
eddie bravo
Maybe blood.
In the WWF and WWE, blood equals money.
That's why guys are cutting themselves up.
bryan callen
It's only three rounds.
brendan schaub
That's not true, Brian.
It's 15 minutes.
joe rogan
This is a squirter.
brendan schaub
It's based off time.
eddie bravo
That's good ratings, right?
joe rogan
Look at Jason's head.
Dude, look at his head.
His head is literally dripping.
brendan schaub
As long as he's sliding into his eyes.
I would have the corner guys with ketchup, just like blood, just squirting people.
bryan callen
That's a lot of blood.
brendan schaub
If it goes in his eyes, that's when they stop it.
bryan callen
Look at these kicks, dude.
Look at these kicks.
joe rogan
Dennis Bermudez has beautiful technique.
brendan schaub
Dude, he is fucking this kid up.
joe rogan
Ryan Parsons is very high on Dennis Bermudez.
Always has been.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah, he has been.
Him and Pat.
joe rogan
You know, that fight with Jeremy Stevens was insane.
What a crazy fight that was.
What a crazy knee Stevens lands to close the show.
brendan schaub
And think about Bermudez.
Again, I can say it's seven or eight in a row.
Brian, get that fucking cheese out of my face.
I can't stop eating it.
I have an eating fry.
eddie bravo
You think that's a fake suntan or is that the real suntan?
brendan schaub
That shit is natural.
joe rogan
Oh!
brendan schaub
Him and Pat ride bikes in the Orange County like it's their fucking job.
So he's tan.
You know he's riding with his shirt off.
eddie bravo
So it's legit.
joe rogan
He's a Mexican gentleman.
bryan callen
So Bermudez doesn't touch Connor?
brendan schaub
Well, he's not big enough star to get that fight.
bryan callen
Oh, I see.
eddie bravo
You don't think it's fake suntan?
No, not at all.
brendan schaub
Bermudez is a nice mocha brown all the time.
bryan callen
Oh, okay.
unidentified
He's...
I don't think he's Mexican.
joe rogan
Puerto Rican?
brendan schaub
Spanish.
joe rogan
Cuban?
brendan schaub
Something like that.
joe rogan
He's got great skin.
He's got great skin.
brendan schaub
Honey Jason's like, get me the fuck out of here.
eddie bravo
It's too even to be natural.
It's too perfect to be natural.
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
They ride with their bike off in the ocean, man.
bryan callen
Big John McCarthy.
How awesome is he?
eddie bravo
Did fake suntanning go under?
brendan schaub
It went under with GSP. It went under?
Yes.
eddie bravo
Fake suntanning?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you can't do that shit anymore.
joe rogan
But did GSB have fake tan or did he just get tanned a lot because tan makes your body actually produce vitamin D, which helps your endurance, helps your anabolic state?
eddie bravo
I'm talking about the industry, the fake sun tan industry.
Did it go under?
I don't see them anymore.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
That is true.
Tanning, tanning booths.
unidentified
Is that gone?
joe rogan
When you see people tanning, no, it's not gone.
No, they're fucking everywhere.
But there's an athletic benefit to that.
There's an actually athletic benefit.
Your body actually does produce vitamin D. Where did you get that?
brendan schaub
From the sun.
bryan callen
Did you go to the internet to get that?
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo, come on.
Steve Maxwell.
Steve Maxwell was talking about it.
He said that GSP was at the center of this.
Steve Maxwell was talking about how Russian athletes have been doing this for a long time, and a lot of other athletes have figured out...
brendan schaub
Ain't the darkest Russian you know.
eddie bravo
It's always like the Russians are doing it.
joe rogan
It's legit.
Vitamin D. There it is.
eddie bravo
Fake sun tanning.
joe rogan
New research shows vitamin D can dramatically increase athletic performance.
And you get that from fake sun tanning?
brendan schaub
Yes, you can get vitamin D. You get the same rays that you do from the sun, just intensify.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
I think GSP did it for both.
eddie bravo
It's going to be floating.
brendan schaub
He's a marketing genius.
eddie bravo
You're going to be sun tanning.
joe rogan
Well, GSB did it because he knew it could help his performance, for sure.
brendan schaub
And he'd look better, both.
joe rogan
Yes, he looked better.
brendan schaub
He's very savvy when it comes to that stuff.
joe rogan
But, you know, Maxwell is, like, he's got his thumb on the pulse.
I mean, of the whole, like, athletic spectrum as far as, like, people's strength and conditioning, little hacks and little things that people do.
He's always got new shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, always something.
joe rogan
He's, like, he's constantly on top of it.
So when he was talking about that, I take everything Maxwell says when it comes to, like, physical fitness and strength and conditioning.
He's a very respectful...
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, I don't think he's bullshit.
I think GSP was doing it for looks and maybe that.
eddie bravo
Damn, I never heard that.
That's going to be the new thing.
Dudes are going to be coming in fucking tanned as fuck.
They're going to look like bodybuilders.
joe rogan
They always have.
eddie bravo
They're going to have that blackness look.
joe rogan
But you could also take vitamin D, especially D3, and get probably pretty similar results, too.
You just wouldn't get the tan.
But you could get both.
You could supplement with it.
You could take the tan.
You could do a lot of different things.
eddie bravo
So basically, if you come in white and not tan, you're not coming in at your full potential.
joe rogan
That's not necessarily true because you'd be supplementing vitamin D. So if you take it...
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
If you're getting D3... D3 is a hard one to get, man.
eddie bravo
If you're not tan, you ain't trying.
brendan schaub
I always tan.
joe rogan
What an uncomfortable moment.
brendan schaub
This is awkward.
joe rogan
Brian Callen, it's time you start talking.
bryan callen
I was going to say, I'm waiting.
I'm waiting for my opening.
brendan schaub
This is getting weird.
eddie bravo
This podcast is going to bring back the tanning fucking industry.
bryan callen
You know what I was thinking?
joe rogan
It's definitely not.
bryan callen
You guys are talking?
brendan schaub
It's definitely not.
eddie bravo
Millions of people listen to your shit.
bryan callen
It's going to bring it back.
eddie bravo
You created the floating industry.
brendan schaub
This is going to bring back tanning.
bryan callen
I was saying, as you were talking, I was thinking to myself, as people move to higher latitudes, They lost the melanin in their skin because they got less sun, so you have to lose melanin in your skin so you can absorb the ultraviolet rays that create vitamin D. That's why Russians are so white.
joe rogan
And get that skin cancer.
unidentified
That's right.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
That doesn't even make any sense.
bryan callen
So white people are actually black people who just need less sun to produce vitamin D. You lost me there.
That's evolutionary biology, you racist bastards.
eddie bravo
You said white people are just black people?
What was the rest?
What was the rest?
bryan callen
That just need less sun to produce essential vitamin D, goddammit.
brendan schaub
Well, you lost me there.
eddie bravo
Is that white people are just black people?
bryan callen
I'm just telling you what my thoughts were, dude.
By the way, I'm gonna start speaking in a seductive voice right now.
brendan schaub
I'm not mad at you.
bryan callen
Because I'm getting some wine running through my body and I feel real good and warm.
joe rogan
Oh, nice inside leg.
bryan callen
I love you guys.
I mean as a group too.
As a clump.
When I think of you guys, I think of you guys as a fucking clump.
joe rogan
Bermuda's attacking those inside legs.
bryan callen
I don't give a fuck about Bermuda's.
I'm not done.
I think about you guys as one big brown muscular clump.
You're a brown, skilled, muscular clump.
eddie bravo
I don't give a fuck about Trent.
joe rogan
Bermuda just lends another leg at another one.
brendan schaub
This vodka is going off the straight fucking...
joe rogan
Bermuda's chopping at those legs.
bryan callen
He's chopping that leg.
And Roni Jason is a tough kid.
I call him Roni.
unidentified
I call him Roni.
bryan callen
And he needs less sun.
He needs less sun to produce essential vitamin D. He could end it right here if he had a fucking anaconda show.
unidentified
Stuff it.
eddie bravo
Stuff that shit.
brendan schaub
He's exhausted, too.
He's been in his ass.
unidentified
Yeah, throw that anaconda, you fuck.
I like how the color of his shorts are exactly the color of his skin.
bryan callen
So do I, buddy.
eddie bravo
It looks like he's naked.
With a green tattoo.
bryan callen
Come on, you ivory fuck.
There you go.
brendan schaub
He's Brazilian too.
bryan callen
I don't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
You ivory fuck.
It's weird he's Brazilian and white as fuck.
eddie bravo
Dude, it's like he's naked.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Dude, his shorts had the black, like, crack.
joe rogan
Hey, why can't guys wear skin?
eddie bravo
You could sublimate that.
joe rogan
Why can't guys wear skin color shorts with fake dicks drawn in the front?
bryan callen
Good idea.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking about.
unidentified
I'm talking about doing a skin tight shirt.
joe rogan
With skin color, skin tight, with a dick with a snake head.
eddie bravo
Like a bikini with your dick popping out of your balls, but it's a bikini.
It's sublimated.
brendan schaub
It's the sublimation of the bikini with your balls.
joe rogan
I'm just happy you used the word sublimated correctly.
eddie bravo
I tried.
bryan callen
Bro, I went to a Halloween party.
joe rogan
I've never used that word ever.
brendan schaub
Sublimated.
joe rogan
I'm not even sure what it means.
It's a good word.
unidentified
It was legit.
bryan callen
Sublimated is a good word.
unidentified
I'm an industry.
eddie bravo
It's real.
It's legit.
If your mind can conceive it, you can print that shit.
joe rogan
What does that mean, sublimated?
bryan callen
I'm going to look it up right now.
joe rogan
He's full mouth.
brendan schaub
He's going to get his back because he's a wrestler, so he's going to turn and stand up.
That's trouble, man.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Now he has wrist control.
eddie bravo
Oh, fuck!
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck!
eddie bravo
It's over!
unidentified
He got him!
brendan schaub
No fucking way!
eddie bravo
He got him!
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
No, he don't got him!
joe rogan
His chin's tucked!
His chin's tucked!
bryan callen
God damn it!
brendan schaub
You've been beating the fuck out of him!
eddie bravo
Dude!
joe rogan
Can Honey Jason pull it off?
Standing up!
Standing up!
Oh, shit!
unidentified
Defense!
joe rogan
Defense!
Stand up!
Stand up!
unidentified
Spin!
Oh!
joe rogan
Honey Jason drags him back to the ground!
eddie bravo
Damn seven!
Body lock!
You go right to that shit!
Close that motherfucker!
brendan schaub
How tough is Jason, man?
joe rogan
Oh, look at this!
Leg lock!
bryan callen
Ronny Jason is tough as neck.
joe rogan
Critical error.
Critical error.
eddie bravo
It's like he fumbled.
brendan schaub
You fucked up, son.
joe rogan
He fumbled.
bryan callen
So, sublimate or sublimated is to divert or modify an instinctual impulse into a culturally higher or socially more acceptable activity.
joe rogan
But that's infant care, bro.
It came up when I typed it in.
You're reading Sublimate Infant Care.
brendan schaub
That's Infant Care.
joe rogan
You're reading Infant Care too?
You weren't reading the same.
unidentified
That's Sublimate.
joe rogan
You were reading something different.
unidentified
Sublimate.
joe rogan
So how was it used in this conversation?
bryan callen
I don't know, but I think he used it wrong.
And that's alright.
joe rogan
I love how you said it, that's alright, that shows you're a dad.
brendan schaub
At least you tried, buddy.
joe rogan
It's a great word.
bryan callen
I had a brilliant thought though, you fox, and I can't remember what it was.
brendan schaub
Hey, can you share it and then let's find out what the real definition is?
eddie bravo
Sublimate in the apparel business is, now they got machines now, that you can take any picture you want and put it on material.
It's not about like, oh, like those old school graphic arts type shit.
bryan callen
Sublimate then?
eddie bravo
Sublimate.
Sublimates.
joe rogan
There's a couple other...
eddie bravo
You see rash guards?
You see rash?
Sublimates.
joe rogan
No, there's a couple of different definitions here.
brendan schaub
It's a sexual one, it appears.
eddie bravo
In the apparel business, it means make rash guards about...
You could take a picture and make a rash guard out of it through the sublimation process.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
brendan schaub
That's chemistry.
bryan callen
It's a technology.
eddie bravo
That's why rash guards are so amazing now because of sublimation.
Before sublimation, you had to do like old school graphic arts, like two color type simple logos.
bryan callen
He's right.
eddie bravo
Now you can do anything.
joe rogan
So there's a bunch of different definitions.
brendan schaub
Because that one was sexual in the beginning.
joe rogan
Do we run out of noises we can make with our face?
Why do we have words that mean a bunch of different shit?
brendan schaub
So people can sound smarter than others?
bryan callen
Noises we make with our face.
joe rogan
I mean, do we run out?
Why do we have to use Sublimate for a bunch of different things?
Why should it be confusing?
You should be able to go to the dictionary and it's just one fucking definition.
bryan callen
I fucking agree with that.
I agree.
brendan schaub
It's so exhausting.
joe rogan
You know?
bryan callen
People have words like trite.
joe rogan
That was one of those words where people are also afraid to say they don't know what it means.
bryan callen
Trite, trite, glib.
brendan schaub
I didn't know what supplement meant.
I just rolled with it.
bryan callen
Do you know what trite means?
joe rogan
I don't think I've ever used supplement.
Trite is like ridiculous, nonsensical, not important.
bryan callen
Dude, do you know what glib means?
joe rogan
Yeah, because I watched the Matt Lauer, Tom Cruise interview.
It was like, Matt, you're being glib.
brendan schaub
What's glib mean?
joe rogan
What's glib mean?
It means like he's dismissing something that he's not...
It's like a harsh dismissal.
Insincere.
Insincere, thank you.
brendan schaub
Dude, Brian had to explain what cahoots meant, because I thought it meant enemies.
joe rogan
But is it insincere, glib, when he's saying it like that?
When he's saying he's being glib.
I don't think he's saying he's being insincere.
I think he's saying he's being...
Is this the actual word of it?
brendan schaub
Public education.
joe rogan
The person speaking fluent and voluble, but insincere and shallow.
bryan callen
It means shallow.
I didn't want to say it, but that's what it really means.
brendan schaub
Shallow.
joe rogan
Wow.
I thought it was dismissive, so I had it wrong.
bryan callen
No, so glib would be when you're not being almost reverential to something that requires gravitas.
brendan schaub
Like us with cyborg fighting Ray Lewis.
bryan callen
It'd be like, yeah, but basketball is just like throwing a ball into a bladder.
joe rogan
Don't be glib, Brian.
brendan schaub
Don't be glib, Brian.
joe rogan
That's just not a word that's in my frequent vocabulary.
brendan schaub
If we used it, it would be.
bryan callen
Like if a girl says...
brendan schaub
Like you say sun all the time, so I say sun all the time.
joe rogan
It's fun.
unidentified
But if you use glib, I'd do it.
Now you're talking about two different things.
That's what she went on the antidepressant for.
But what happens to the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem.
There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things.
I'm not saying that that isn't real.
But aren't there examples where it works?
You don't even...
You're glim.
You don't even know what Ritalin is.
If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories.
brendan schaub
He's kind of schooling them.
He's crushing them.
joe rogan
Whatever, Cruz.
That's a dumbass...
I don't think Matt Lauer is being sincere.
bryan callen
Matt Lauer was asking him questions, and he was saying, hey, there are examples when antidepressants, you're not a fucking doctor, Tom Cruise.
There are examples when they work and save lives, you fucking dummy.
Stick to acting and make him believe, and that was him on a Scientology riff.
joe rogan
Easy, bro.
eddie bravo
Brian, come on.
bryan callen
You know what else?
brendan schaub
Just because he got to roll over, you know, you hate the guy.
bryan callen
You're right, buddy.
You're right.
I'm being gloom.
I'm being gloom about Tom Cruise.
eddie bravo
Don't bring up chemtrails, because that's...
brendan schaub
Oh, this is when he went full batshit crazy.
I'd be dancing like this, too.
joe rogan
I love Katie Holmes.
brendan schaub
Yeah, fuck yeah, he loves you.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got divorced.
bryan callen
Tell you something about that guy.
brendan schaub
You're a fan of Ritalin?
bryan callen
I've met him twice.
He's the nicest human being on the planet.
You're a fan of Ritalin?
What's that?
eddie bravo
Are you a fan of Ritalin?
bryan callen
I don't know anything about Ritalin.
I don't know.
I'm not a fan of any medication that I don't have to give to my children, but I do think that there are certain drugs that are made by big pharmaceutical companies that save lives, that make people's lives better.
I don't know, I'm not a pharmacologist, but I can give you examples of the things that I've seen with my own eyes.
joe rogan
Listen, man, if you need antibiotics, you need fucking science.
bryan callen
Goddamn right.
joe rogan
What about antidepressants?
If you get staph infection, you better listen to fucking doctors and not listen to some voodoo doctor.
unidentified
I'm down with antidepressants.
eddie bravo
Fuck yeah.
Fuck that staph.
joe rogan
So, I don't think there's an either or.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of medications that do a lot of people a lot of good.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
And I think there's also a lot of medications that pharmaceutical companies are profiting off of people.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
Using them in ways that they don't need them.
Exactly.
Especially painkillers.
bryan callen
I agree with that.
I agree with that.
And a lot of other stuff.
joe rogan
However...
Brenda, you had a fucking real issue, right?
With those goddamn painkillers?
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's a rumor I was addicted to.
joe rogan
You talked about it.
You know, it's scary shit, man.
Because you're a together guy.
Like, to hear that you got caught in the grip of those fucking things.
brendan schaub
The most addictive thing in the world, they say.
And my doctor was trying to be cool, and I was only supposed to have like 50. He's like, here's like 200, man.
Just, you know, you know.
bryan callen
Explain what it was, though.
brendan schaub
Like he was a fan.
I was like, okay.
bryan callen
But explain what they urged.
brendan schaub
They're addictive.
bryan callen
So in what way?
brendan schaub
So when you stop using them, you're depressed.
You feel itchy.
So then you keep taking them.
It just makes you feel better.
bryan callen
Makes you feel better.
brendan schaub
And then you're dependent on it.
So when I'd go out with my friends, I knew I had 200. So I was like, I might as well take one of those and not be all cranky and itchy and in pain.
I'll just take one of those and have one beer.
And it's a fun fucking night.
bryan callen
Wow.
brendan schaub
And the next thing I know, every morning, I'm just boom, boom, boom, boom.
And to my friend and brother, like, what the fuck are you doing?
And they took him from me.
bryan callen
I was talking to two pretty well-known fighters.
brendan schaub
Why?
Does anyone have any in here?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
What's up?
I'm addicted to this fucking Conor McGregor, Nate Diaz countdown thing they're doing right now.
brendan schaub
Me too.
I think Conor wins a decision.
joe rogan
Goddamn, I can't wait for this fight.
brendan schaub
I think Conor wins a decision.
joe rogan
He might.
Who knows?
bryan callen
Do you really?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Nate might get him.
I mean, who the fuck knows, man?
All we know is Nate got him the first time they fought.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
I'm just telling you in my educated opinion, I think Conor McGregor wins by decision based off that first round and more knowledgeable training.
joe rogan
We're talking about Nate Diaz with zero training.
Coming in with 11 days notice.
bryan callen
It's a five-round fight, isn't it?
joe rogan
He's still won.
bryan callen
It's a five-round fight.
joe rogan
But do you know how more comfortable Nate is going to be with a full camp than he's going to be?
I mean, you just assume that given...
Okay, there's psychological variables that come into play, especially when you deal with the amount of pressure that Nate is under now.
You deal with the amount of press obligations he's now...
Forced to attend.
unidentified
More than he's ever done.
joe rogan
More than he's ever done, for sure.
But he's also getting a good long stretch of time to know what kind of shape he's got to get in before the fight, right?
I mean, if you thought logically, taking psychological considerations out, logically you would say, well, if he won the first fight, if he's got more time to prepare in the second fight, he's going to be even better than he was in the first fight.
brendan schaub
You could say the same thing for Conor, though.
You could say he's never fought at 170 before.
All he did was throw power punches.
That first round, it kind of murked him.
The second round, he was in trouble because he gassed and got caught.
Man, if he can do in that first round for 25 minutes, he wins that fight.
bryan callen
It's a long time.
joe rogan
Sure.
You're right.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying he can play both sides.
joe rogan
You know, you could say he was not without success in the first fight.
He had a very successful first round, and he had a very successful minute plus of the second round.
brendan schaub
Then he got in trouble.
A lot of trouble.
joe rogan
He got in trouble, and Nate started talking shit, and he started getting gassed, and he started getting dinged, and then he shot for a takedown.
brendan schaub
You know where the payday is at, right?
The payday is if McGregor wins, because you're not going to have to have a three-peat.
joe rogan
Well, the payday is if McGregor and Diaz have an old-time schlabanaka.
brendan schaub
And McGregor wins.
He has to win.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or he could have a fucking real close decision loss.
unidentified
Nope.
brendan schaub
He's 0-2 then.
You can't do that.
bryan callen
I am obsessed.
joe rogan
I will not stop until I beat Nate Diaz.
brendan schaub
Because you lose two in a row in the UFC and you go, nah, bitch, go ahead and get down there.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Not if you're a little white guy from Ireland named Conor McGregor.
That's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, motherfucker.
bryan callen
There's a leprechaun.
joe rogan
There's your leprechaun!
brendan schaub
No, the UFC's leprechaun is the guy he's juiced to the gills.
His name's Brock Lesnar.
That's your leprechaun.
joe rogan
That's the other leprechaun.
brendan schaub
That's the other leprechaun.
He's way bigger.
He's not your typical leprechaun.
joe rogan
That's a different leprechaun.
eddie bravo
Who won that?
brendan schaub
Bermuda's.
joe rogan
That's Bermuda's one.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
He dominated the first two rounds.
joe rogan
This is the main event.
We haven't talked about a single fucking fight other than a few random seconds.
I think we were doing great until that wine came.
We went a little off the deep end when the wine came from.
eddie bravo
That's the gold ship right there.
joe rogan
But it's not always.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
bryan callen
Kung Fu Masters here.
eddie bravo
Come on.
joe rogan
That is hilarious.
Somebody put that up on YouTube.
eddie bravo
Who put that up on YouTube?
joe rogan
Philly Chimp?
unidentified
Philly Chimp?
joe rogan
Was that always up on YouTube?
But he put it up tonight.
unidentified
Someone just made a...
joe rogan
It's not even a real video.
unidentified
I don't think he just made a picture.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
What is his name?
What is his name?
unidentified
Philly Chimp.
joe rogan
Alright, Philly Chimp.
Shout out to Philly Chimp.
brendan schaub
Hey, you know Ray Lewis trained with Rashad Evans, right?
We're aware of this?
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Trained a bunch with him in Miami.
bryan callen
I didn't know that.
eddie bravo
If the new owners of the UFC want to get fucking gangster, they want to get medieval, make this happen.
brendan schaub
You're too high, sir.
joe rogan
Ray Lewis is retired.
Ray Lewis is retired.
bryan callen
He's a millionaire.
eddie bravo
It's too gangster.
brendan schaub
Cyborg has a tough fight in the next fight.
joe rogan
No, Ray Lewis, if you want to make the fight, you make it with Hershel Walker, because he actually still fights.
brendan schaub
I'm not trying to see those two old fucks.
eddie bravo
Money can make anything happen.
Hershel Walker is ready to fight.
It's just a matter of millions.
Here's 20 fucking million.
joe rogan
Make it happen.
eddie bravo
Here's 20 million.
Make it happen.
joe rogan
Everyone will dance.
If it was anybody else that was 50 years old that said he wanted a fight, I'd be like, man, you gotta stop.
Anybody else, I would say I don't want to see that.
Anybody else!
If it's Hershel Walker, I'm like, where do I sign up?
unidentified
You're too high, sir.
joe rogan
Where do I sign up?
brendan schaub
You're too high.
joe rogan
No!
unidentified
50's 50. You saw him when he was 47. Jacked.
joe rogan
Jacked.
unidentified
I believe he was 48 in his last fight.
joe rogan
I stopped fighting at 31. Dude, but dude, Herschel Walker is a freak.
He's an athletic freak.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
joe rogan
Dude, do you see the video of him fighting in Strikeforce?
brendan schaub
I've watched every single fight he ever did.
joe rogan
It is shocking.
brendan schaub
His ass would get eaten up like a fucking Asaker porno if he jumped into the UFC right now.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but he's not fighting.
joe rogan
When I talk about the UFC, man...
brendan schaub
Oh, you're talking about like 1FC or some shit?
joe rogan
I'm talking about him just as a freak specimen.
Like, if he was going to have to fight...
We were talking about Ray Lewis.
Like, Ray Lewis, we know he is a wrestler, but we don't know how much martial arts experience he had.
That's one, but Herschel Walker, Herschel Walker at whatever he is now, 15 years old, at 99.9% of the fucking plan are better.
They better run.
brendan schaub
I agree.
eddie bravo
You better run.
brendan schaub
I agree, except for every guy in the light heavyweight division on the roster in the UFC. He's a heavyweight.
Okay, even worse.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He comes to the UFC, everyone's going to go, wow, but he's 50?
joe rogan
He's 50?
brendan schaub
I'm going to kick him on his fucking knee.
joe rogan
He's more than 50. I think he's 52. Me too.
brendan schaub
He's one of the biggest freaks of all time.
unidentified
You're 50. He might still be able to fuck a lot of guys up.
bryan callen
Show him running the 100. There's a video of him.
In the UFC? When he was at world-class speed.
He had world-class speed.
joe rogan
Did you see that guy?
Let's just go back a year or two.
I don't even want to name a name.
Think about a questionable heavyweight performance between a guy that's nowhere near the top 20. Some new guy, maybe.
You don't think that Hershel Walker could fuck up some new guy?
brendan schaub
No.
Not at 50. That's interesting.
bryan callen
Watch Herschel Walker sprint.
eddie bravo
This is when he's a world-class game.
joe rogan
No, let's see him.
unidentified
Not that bad.
brendan schaub
This Herschel Walker would.
Let's see Strikeforce where he's stiff as fuck.
joe rogan
See if you can get some video of Herschel Walker fighting in Strikeforce.
brendan schaub
He's so stiff, Joe.
benjamin jaffe
Yeah, but he's fucking strong as shit.
eddie bravo
I can't wait to see him.
unidentified
Even if he's stiff, it almost doesn't matter, man.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It almost doesn't matter.
eddie bravo
Dude, when you turn 50, I can't fucking.
brendan schaub
I would never fight.
bryan callen
Look at how fast he is.
Look at how fast he is.
I can't wait.
brendan schaub
Dude, he's one of the biggest freaks of all time.
I'm not saying that.
That's like in the U.S. right now, the heavyweights would eat him alive.
joe rogan
Yeah, the heavyweights.
But they're lucky he didn't start this shit about 20 years ago.
brendan schaub
Oh, I agree.
Oh, if Bo Jackson decided to do MMA, he would kick your fucking dick to Jupiter.
He's a monster.
joe rogan
Best athlete of all time.
Look at Herschel Walker at 47. I think he was 48 here.
bryan callen
Look at his body.
joe rogan
Was he 48 here?
Yeah.
This is 48 here, defending the leg lock.
Yeah, he'll beat your ass.
They say he's a monster.
eddie bravo
That's some good defense.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Spun around instantly behind his back.
And he's a super athlete.
brendan schaub
One of the best athletes of all time.
joe rogan
I think a lot of us sort of underestimate the difference between the elite of the elites and a regular human.
Even a regular trained human.
Look how he just ragdolled that dude to the ground.
Oh my god.
bryan callen
Not too tired either.
It doesn't look easy.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, he's a stud.
He's such a super athlete.
Yes!
brendan schaub
25 years ago, amazing athlete.
bryan callen
Didn't he win a gold medal in his Olympics?
brendan schaub
Bobsled.
joe rogan
Let's think for a moment.
Let's think for a moment.
What if Customato existed in 2016 and he found a young 13-year-old Mike Tyson and brought him to Farras Ahabi?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that'd be amazing, bro.
joe rogan
And brought him to Matt Hume.
brendan schaub
What's the question?
joe rogan
Because freak athletes!
Every now and then you get a dude, like you remember when Mike Tyson used to hit that heavy bag?
unidentified
You never saw a heavyweight do that, ever.
brendan schaub
Athletically, Mike Tyson couldn't handle Bo Jackson's jockstrap.
If you get Bo Jackson when he's 13...
joe rogan
We are talking about different endeavors.
We don't know what Mike Tyson's athletic ability would have been if he had been playing football.
What we do know is what it was when he got into boxing.
And it's almost better than anybody ever in a lot of ways.
And the fact that he was so short and he had this crazy style of bobbing and weaving and ripping ridiculous fucking power and speed punches at you.
brendan schaub
Let me ask you this, Joe.
unidentified
Who's the best guy that he beat?
joe rogan
Probably Larry Holmes, but Larry Holmes was out of his prime.
But Leon Spinks, or excuse me, Michael Spinks.
Watch this, though, dude.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying, compared to other heavyweights, I don't think he's the best heavyweight.
joe rogan
Well, it was all before he went to jail, man.
But also, once he went to jail...
brendan schaub
The best guy he's beat, are old Larry Holmes or Spinks?
joe rogan
Dude, it's the way he ran through the division.
brendan schaub
He changed the whole fucking thing.
But you look at Lennox Lewis and Vander Holyfield, much more impressive.
joe rogan
It's true.
No, there's no doubt about it.
Ultimately, when Lennox Lewis...
Well, he beat Tyson.
No, those old-school boxing shoes he used to wear.
But when he beat Tyson, Tyson was an older man, and he had been in the game a long fucking time.
It just wasn't the same.
Once he was disconnected more and more from the original custom model crew.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying, look at the body of work compared to Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.
If you look just on paper, Mike Tyson has the scare factor.
That's what we all remember.
eddie bravo
But remember, Brandon, he went out there and fucked everybody up in the first round.
Nobody else was there.
brendan schaub
He didn't beat anyone.
eddie bravo
Nobody fucking had the fear.
When they fought Mike Tyson, they were fucking And that's why we say he's the best.
brendan schaub
That's why you say he's the best.
But if you look at it on paper, he's really not.
eddie bravo
But the reason they were scared was because he was going through everybody with one fucking punch.
He was crushing everybody.
brendan schaub
Evander Holyfield wasn't scared.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
unidentified
It's true.
brendan schaub
Buster Douglas wasn't scared.
eddie bravo
True.
It's true.
But if you look at Evander Holyfield's career, he wasn't...
He's a gold medalist.
He wasn't shocking the world like Mike Tyson was.
Mike Tyson was just...
brendan schaub
He beat Mike Tyson!
eddie bravo
Mike Tyson blew up pay-per-view.
People, they were pissed that he would knock dudes out in the first round.
brendan schaub
But it's nobody's.
It's nobody's if you look at it.
eddie bravo
That was the problem.
Like, look, he's just going to knock them out in the first round.
That was the problem.
People were pissed off with the pay-per-view.
Mike Tyson's just going to beat them in the first round and we're going to lose our money.
Fuck!
That was a problem.
He created a problem.
brendan schaub
Against nobody, if you look at it, though.
joe rogan
No, he's got points.
eddie bravo
He fucked everybody up.
People were scared shitless.
brendan schaub
Name the best guy, Eddie.
eddie bravo
There was no other fighter ever that provoked that fear.
bryan callen
You're not answering the question, Eddie Bravo.
joe rogan
No, you're right, Eddie.
You're right.
He was a special force.
brendan schaub
Most scariest fighter on earth.
joe rogan
But listen, what Brendan's talking about is like hindsight.
So when Brendan's talking about it now, when you look back and you think about the guys he beat, it's very arguable that Holyfield was the superior fighter.
He beat him twice.
And we always want to say, well, he wasn't the same guy as when Tyson was younger.
It doesn't matter.
He still beat him when they got together.
And Holyfield, you've got to put him on a higher level because he was able to maintain his enthusiasm for fighting way longer than most folks.
unidentified
He had so many fights with Riddick Bowe.
brendan schaub
Also an amateur.
eddie bravo
He won the gold.
brendan schaub
He didn't even make the team.
Look at the body of work.
eddie bravo
His career was amazing.
The fights he was in.
But Tyson was known for going through dudes.
brendan schaub
That doesn't mean he's a better fighter.
joe rogan
I think you have to give it to Evander because Evander beat him twice.
But Tyson is one of the all-time greats.
And they're both all-time greats.
We're super lucky to have watched those guys fight.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
You know, Tyson and Holyfield, I mean, those were epic contests.
brendan schaub
It's a little bit X-Factor because you're so scared you're stalking these guys out.
eddie bravo
Boys, here we go.
bryan callen
Here we go with the main event.
eddie bravo
I've never had the answer, but Tyson was more exciting.
bryan callen
Main event, boys.
brendan schaub
Doesn't make you a better fighter.
joe rogan
Here's Alex Caceres and Yair Rodriguez.
eddie bravo
What should be Tyson?
bryan callen
Main event.
Look at that perfect hook.
It's better than me.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you always got to wonder, what was the training like for Tyson then in comparison to the training when he was young?
What was the mindset like?
I'm a firm believer that a really elite fighter can only maintain a certain number of RPMs when they're just smashing people.
They can only maintain that for a certain amount of time.
brendan schaub
The past would prove you right.
You look at all fighters, throw down.
But we don't realize it when they're going through it.
If you look at Ronda, it's like, yeah, that's what she does.
You look at Junior Dos Santos, you look at Kane, it's weird.
Then you step back and go, oh, that's the run there.
That's the greatest we're ever going to see him.
But as it's happening, you really don't notice.
I was thinking about that the other day.
It's very weird.
You're accustomed to it and you think that's just what they do.
And then they lose like two or three.
You're like, oh shit.
That was it.
That was the run.
Those six, seven fights, which it was pure greatness.
eddie bravo
Music is like that too.
Like bands that come out with their new album.
But their new album is not like their old shit.
Their new album is not like their old shit.
But then after 15 years, that new shit is old shit.
joe rogan
And it's all great.
Guys, we're missing an amazing fight.
There's an amazing fight going on right now.
bryan callen
Watch Rodriguez.
He's better.
Rodriguez is going to...
joe rogan
Rodriguez is...
Caceres has fucking threatened him a few times.
brendan schaub
Rodriguez is a heavy favorite.
joe rogan
He missed him with a spinning backfist.
bryan callen
Caceres is too...
He's athletic, but he's too...
brendan schaub
For sure spit it out.
bryan callen
He doesn't have the fundamentals, I don't think.
What are you talking about, man?
He doesn't.
He makes mistakes.
He makes big mistakes.
His hands are down.
Watch.
He's been getting tagged.
I've been wanting to fight.
joe rogan
They both fight with their hands down.
bryan callen
Rodriguez is a better time.
joe rogan
I'm with Callan on this one.
bryan callen
When they're close, Rodriguez's hands are up.
He's got better defense.
Way better defense.
joe rogan
Rodriguez is excellent.
But dude, Caceres is very good.
bryan callen
Very athletic.
Very good.
That's racist.
He needs Brian Callen's workshop.
He's not as good fundamentally.
He's just not as Rodriguez.
He's just not.
eddie bravo
Watch your mouth.
joe rogan
I feel sick.
I would disagree with you.
I would say Caceres is very underrated.
He's very crafty.
bryan callen
Very athletic, very crafty, and watch who wins this.
joe rogan
He's very comfortable in there.
brendan schaub
Hey, Brian, Rodriguez is a heavy favorite.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not saying that...
My point is, look at this beautiful leg lock attempt here by Rodriguez.
I'm not saying that he's not going to win.
You're saying that he doesn't have good fundamentals.
bryan callen
I'm not being insulting to Caceres.
What I'm saying is that I just watched the first minute, guys, and I saw him make big mistakes where he's coming in and throwing and being really athletic by getting caught in the face by a guy who's a better counterpuncher.
brendan schaub
I don't see that, and I fought for eight years.
bryan callen
Well, I did, because you weren't watching.
You were talking the whole time.
brendan schaub
No, I can't watch that off any fight.
joe rogan
Are you a fan of Caceres?
Have you ever watched him fight before?
bryan callen
I have.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen his fight with Sergio Pettis?
bryan callen
He's great!
joe rogan
What happened in the fight with Sergio Pettis?
bryan callen
I didn't see that fight.
brendan schaub
He beat him.
joe rogan
He was the first guy to beat him.
bryan callen
I'm not saying he's not really good.
I'm saying he doesn't have the fundamentals to fight in the UFC. Alex Kinceras is...
joe rogan
Listen to me right now and don't ever say anything different.
bryan callen
Compared to Rodriguez.
joe rogan
Brian, please.
Alex Kinceras is a bad motherfucker.
bryan callen
I never said he wasn't.
joe rogan
Yair Rodriguez is a bad motherfucker.
unidentified
They all have fundamentals.
joe rogan
The fight is happening right now, you fuck!
bryan callen
Hey, hey, I said Rodriguez has better fundamentals.
That's what I said.
brendan schaub
You said he has no fundamentals.
joe rogan
I didn't say that.
You see how he evaded that high kick and then it was a side kick?
Look how he's evading everything.
bryan callen
Stop trying to control my eyeballs.
joe rogan
Brian, Caceres is very good.
bryan callen
Of course he's very good!
I said he's not as good as Bermudez!
unidentified
He's not fighting Bermudez, you fuck!
bryan callen
His fundamentals are not as good as Rodriguez or Bermudez!
joe rogan
You didn't say that!
Not Bermudez, you fuck!
bryan callen
Sorry, man!
joe rogan
Look at that!
Jumping double round kick!
Great takedown!
bryan callen
Good fundamentals!
joe rogan
Oh my god!
bryan callen
There it is!
Look at the fundamental grip!
joe rogan
We're like a bunch of children!
We're the example of how not to behave when you're on a live podcast.
bryan callen
It's so true.
eddie bravo
What about those shorts?
Are those going to be illegalized?
bryan callen
Shorts are great.
joe rogan
I don't think they're an issue for men.
I think it's an issue for women, at least as far as what I read.
But I loosely looked over it.
See if you can find it, Jamie, what the new regulation is about women's clothing.
Imagine if I just made that up.
unidentified
Joe doesn't say anything about women's privilege.
joe rogan
Somebody put something in my coffee, bro.
brendan schaub
That's what someone said, man.
eddie bravo
This is fucked, bro.
What does the loose shit do for us?
It's doing nothing.
bryan callen
Bermudez is good, man.
joe rogan
No, no.
It's because of wardrobe malfunctions.
brendan schaub
It's Rodriguez, Brian.
joe rogan
Someone's butt was hanging out recently.
bryan callen
Maybe I was talking about the fight before.
Maybe I was thinking about Bermudez just now.
joe rogan
Oh, Caceres.
Powerful Sugar Ray Leonard is still fucking whacking that bag.
bryan callen
He'll still fuck you up.
brendan schaub
In Skechers.
You eat your ass whooped by getting Skechers.
eddie bravo
He's already wearing socks.
joe rogan
Imagine if he's wearing Birkenstocks with socks and beat the fuck out of it.
bryan callen
He could, too.
brendan schaub
He could.
joe rogan
That's George Hamilton.
bryan callen
That's George Hamilton.
brendan schaub
Wait a minute.
Do you guys want some cheese?
bryan callen
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on.
What do you mean that's George Hamilton?
bryan callen
I believe that would be George Hamilton doing Kentucky Fried Chicken.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
He's Colonel Sanders now?
What happened to Norm MacDonald?
brendan schaub
No, it's Norm MacDonald.
bryan callen
Nope, that was not.
That was George Hamilton.
unidentified
They've had like five different ones recently.
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's one per commercial kind of.
joe rogan
Oh, they're getting crafty.
jamie vernon
It doesn't take place until January 1st, it says, too.
bryan callen
Joe, if they give you a million dollars, would you be Colonel Sanders?
Just for one campaign.
Just only three months.
joe rogan
Let me think about it.
I like chicken.
Female competitors must wear a short-sleeved above-the-elbow or sleeveless form-fitting rash guard and or sports bra.
No loose-fitting tops are allowed.
Female competitors will follow the same requirements for bottom coverings as the male competitors.
Oh, okay.
So they only have to have a tight-fitting upper top.
Because, did anybody ever have a loose-fitting upper top?
brendan schaub
You can't have your titties slinging around.
joe rogan
But did anybody, did they just want to cover their ass with that?
Is that what that was?
Nobody, but it was never an issue, right?
It happened recently.
jamie vernon
Someone's, like, their bra got fucked up and she had to look at the ref while something was happening.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was...
unidentified
Riguez!
bryan callen
Riguez!
Doing cartwheels!
His taekwondo's off the charts!
This shows you that Taekwondo is the shit.
joe rogan
Brian, you sound like a guy acting like a commentator in a movie right there.
brendan schaub
His Taekwondo is off the charts!
joe rogan
It's like the Karate Kid 7. Did I just say off the charts?
bryan callen
I've never said off the charts in my life.
I've never said off the charts in my life and I just did.
brendan schaub
It's coming back.
joe rogan
For sure, just don't talk.
bryan callen
Dude, that's fucked up.
brendan schaub
I can't stop laughing thinking of Joe doing the KFC commercials.
Would you do it for a certain price, Joe?
joe rogan
Probably not now that you guys brought it up.
It can't happen.
Dude, Jair Rodriguez is throwing some fucking whipping kicks.
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
His fundamentals are so sound.
joe rogan
Dude, tell me, look how good Caceres' defense is, man.
bryan callen
Caceres is a very good athlete.
He's a beautiful young man.
eddie bravo
At what point does the afro become like a hindrance?
brendan schaub
Never.
joe rogan
Cushion.
Cushion for those fucking hard round kicks in the back of the head.
bryan callen
I wonder how much of a cushion that is.
He just did a backhand.
brendan schaub
He punched his knee and then came up with a backhand.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
You know what?
The refs will probably allow Kits to the back of the head.
bryan callen
These guys are both really fucking good.
joe rogan
This is a five round fight, boys.
Rodriguez is really trying to end the show.
This is incredible.
brendan schaub
George Hampton is the new Colonel Sanders.
bryan callen
I called it.
joe rogan
How many colonels are there going to be, Jamie?
brendan schaub
You know they have to do a black one, right?
joe rogan
Yair's going to spin.
unidentified
What about a Mexican one?
joe rogan
That too.
brendan schaub
Dude, you can't just have one like that all the time.
bryan callen
Oh, Twizzer.
unidentified
Yeah.
Mix it up.
brendan schaub
It's racist.
joe rogan
Yeah, I should definitely go with black Colonel Sanders.
brendan schaub
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
That would be the best way to sell chicken.
bryan callen
Except the real Colonel Sanders.
The real Colonel Sanders is white.
joe rogan
Listen, have a black guy take over the Colonel Sanders and have it be like a D.L. Hughley character who just makes fun of white people.
And that's the new Colonel Sanders image.
Like a hilarious black stand-up comedian.
What if Joey took it over?
bryan callen
Tony Robbins does a thing about Colonel Sanders.
joe rogan
He wouldn't do it.
He wouldn't do it.
unidentified
Could he do it?
joe rogan
No.
He would demand some sort of Latino name.
unidentified
If they gave him one up money, they gave him a thick envelope of just fucking this.
joe rogan
Would someone think that it would be racist if you got a guy, like if you paid a hilarious stand-up comedian?
brendan schaub
Like Kevin Hart?
joe rogan
He's too valuable.
He probably wouldn't do it.
brendan schaub
What if Damon Wayans?
joe rogan
I'm not going to be rude.
Let's come up with someone...
Richard Pryor?
No, some non-real person.
But if you were a pretty decent stand-up comedian, really funny guy, and they were willing to pay you to be the new black Colonel Sanders, and you had a bunch of jokes where you only made fun of white people.
eddie bravo
Martin Lawrence.
brendan schaub
You would kill.
That would be a great idea.
bryan callen
He could do it.
joe rogan
What is this?
KFC taps David Allen Greer as the first African American.
I fucking knew it!
Get the fuck out of here!
bryan callen
That's great.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's hilarious!
brendan schaub
Now the white guy is so funny.
I love Panda Express.
eddie bravo
That guy's hilarious.
joe rogan
That is so funny.
bryan callen
David Allen Greer is so fucking funny.
brendan schaub
We knew it.
joe rogan
But that's hilarious.
We were just speculating.
Meanwhile, this is actually a real thing.
brendan schaub
Oh, because it has to be.
That is just...
joe rogan
Alex Caceres coming on strong.
Yair Rodriguez.
Welcome to Deep Waters.
brendan schaub
Alex with no fundamentals.
Gordon and Brian Callen coming on strong.
bryan callen
I never said he...
Hey Alex, he's going to hear this.
Caceres, I never said you didn't have fundamentals.
You're an amazing fighter.
brendan schaub
You said he had bad fundamentals.
bryan callen
Just not as good as Rodriguez.
joe rogan
I don't remember what you said, but I just want to be really honest about this.
He probably should have stopped.
Somewhere in the middle.
I know you feel it too, right?
Like you got on a roll and you were defending your position.
unidentified
No, I gotta defend.
bryan callen
I gotta keep defending.
joe rogan
I'm going down.
And you know that Brendan knows more than you.
bryan callen
Nope, I'm gonna die.
joe rogan
You know that he's right and that Caceres is obviously handling himself in this fight against one of the most dangerous guys in the division.
bryan callen
I'm going down.
joe rogan
And getting his own shots in as well.
bryan callen
I don't know about that, dude.
joe rogan
Yair is a fucking beast.
Look at the defense of Caceres, dude.
bryan callen
I can't agree with you, bro.
Can't agree with you.
And I'll tell you something else.
Those are two body shots.
eddie bravo
Damn, he came at him with three straight strikes.
joe rogan
I told you.
brendan schaub
Daniel Alan Greer will not be the first Colonel Sanders.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a lie.
He backed out.
He tweeted it?
David Alan Greer.
unidentified
He's trying to jump in the pot and he doesn't have a fucking contract?
joe rogan
You know what he did?
He was joking.
brendan schaub
No, he's honeydicking.
joe rogan
Was he honeydicking?
brendan schaub
Hoping KFC would be like, yeah, that's a great idea.
joe rogan
That is a great idea.
brendan schaub
Instead, KFC's race is fucked, like, absolutely not.
joe rogan
I would like to volunteer to make fun of white people.
If he gets that job, I will help.
I will help write some jokes.
brendan schaub
I'll buy the chicken.
eddie bravo
That could get ugly.
You gotta keep it white.
That could get ugly.
brendan schaub
No, it'd get great.
Well, Popeyes does it, kind of.
joe rogan
I can't wait.
eddie bravo
You gotta keep it white.
joe rogan
I can't wait until all fried chicken places just make fun of white people so I can eat fried chicken with zero guilt.
Zero guilt.
brendan schaub
Feel comfortable.
joe rogan
Just mock all whiteness.
brendan schaub
I'll take it for that delicious chicken.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll take it.
brendan schaub
I'll go through some shit to get that chicken.
joe rogan
I'm sorry things are the way they are.
bryan callen
I'm surprised the afro hasn't come back.
joe rogan
I didn't mean for anything anybody that looks like me did in the past.
I don't know those fucking people.
brendan schaub
I have nothing to do with it.
joe rogan
I don't agree with it.
I don't agree with it at all.
brendan schaub
Now I'll take a two-piece with a biscuit.
joe rogan
Just make fun of white people and give me some chicken.
Make fun of white people.
Anybody, please.
Let's level this playing field.
brendan schaub
I'll roast them with you guys.
joe rogan
It's a disgusting thing that something as delicious as fried chicken isn't somehow or any way racist.
Everybody should be able to freely enjoy it.
brendan schaub
Dude, I love grape drink.
I love a nice grape soda.
Try getting one of those these days.
unidentified
For real, there is a...
brendan schaub
I'm not being racist.
I'm not trying to be funny.
Try drinking a grape soda and just being cool as a white guy.
joe rogan
I had some buttermilk fried chicken in a restaurant in Atlanta.
It was so goddamn good.
eddie bravo
That's not racist.
joe rogan
It was so goddamn good.
I had it two years ago, and I never forgot it.
bryan callen
Fried chicken's incredible.
joe rogan
It's so good.
bryan callen
Fried chicken?
eddie bravo
How about there's a movie theater?
brendan schaub
Oh, white people make Chick-fil-A chicken.
joe rogan
But this wasn't Chick-fil-A chicken.
unidentified
No, how about this?
joe rogan
This is like a gourmet restaurant made fried chicken.
brendan schaub
That's what I'm saying, though.
joe rogan
Old school way.
brendan schaub
Well, I was just thinking in my head.
I was having a conversation again.
But KFC, Popeyes, right?
It's kind of, you know.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
And then Chick-fil-A is owned by Mormons.
That's why they shut down, right?
joe rogan
No, it's not the Mormons.
There's some kind of crazy Christians, right?
eddie bravo
Why people can like chicken, too?
But how about this?
How about there's a...
I don't want to mention your name.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
You guys are missing a great fight here.
joe rogan
It's teeing off on Caseros.
bryan callen
Yeah, because it's fundamental.
It's fundamental.
unidentified
It's so good.
eddie bravo
Have you ever had that chicken baguette at the Arclight with watermelon barbecue sauce?
unidentified
Have I had it?
bryan callen
I've lived it.
joe rogan
Oh, nice left hand by Rodriguez.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's racist.
unidentified
With watermelon barbecue sauce at Arclight.
bryan callen
Rodriguez is...
Have you ever had that?
brendan schaub
I sure haven't.
joe rogan
Rodriguez's style.
brendan schaub
They close on Sunday because Christian believes.
bryan callen
What about his style?
joe rogan
His style requires a lot of exploding.
His style is all leaping forward and leaping back and moving forward fast.
There's a lot of serious explosions.
It's fun to watch, man.
No, it's great.
It's great, but what I'm saying is like it takes a really high level of fitness to fight this style because he's doing essentially like wrestling, but like with all these plyometrics built into it, you know?
He's like leaping forward and backward.
brendan schaub
Where's Alex Strain?
Remember this is in Utah, so the elevation's high, but Rodriguez comes from Albuquerque, so it's not gonna be as high as Albuquerque.
So I'd assume later in rounds it's gonna favor Rodriguez if you think about that.
bryan callen
But he's also been teeing off.
He's doing crazy stuff.
How do you train for a guy like that?
joe rogan
I know that Caceres is from John Crouch's camp, and they do do some training up in the mountains.
brendan schaub
That's in Arizona, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they go into those Arizona mountains.
Arizona does have mountains, and a lot of people don't realize it.
brendan schaub
So fucked.
bryan callen
Hey, Brendan, when he throws this right, the way his head's going all the way to the side like that, that's a really interesting thing.
Is that normal?
brendan schaub
I didn't see it.
unidentified
Joe, did you see it?
bryan callen
Watch him throw this right, and he ducks his head.
See what he's doing?
joe rogan
Who?
bryan callen
His head.
joe rogan
Caceres?
bryan callen
No, Rodriguez.
brendan schaub
Rodriguez.
Really interesting.
He keeps punching the knee.
You'll see him go down, he punches the knee.
Oh, is that what he's doing?
bryan callen
Damn.
brendan schaub
Although if Alex threw a fucking knee, he'd be in trouble.
bryan callen
But he's all the way to the side when he does it.
Watch.
brendan schaub
What was that last one, was it?
joe rogan
See what he's doing?
It's knowing when you can do something, too.
It's like knowing when your opponent is leaning his weight backwards and being able to time it right.
Or knowing when he's committing to one side or another side and being able to anticipate it and time it.
bryan callen
It's a very one-sided fight right now.
Very one-sided.
brendan schaub
Fun fight, though.
bryan callen
Yeah, but one-sided, really?
joe rogan
Brian, you're so connected.
Help me out with this.
Just think about what I'm saying.
You're so connected to your previous statement that you're not willing to enjoy this fight as it plays out.
bryan callen
No, sir.
You're wrong.
joe rogan
You're wanting this fight.
brendan schaub
Alex is tearing him up right now.
joe rogan
Alex just hit him with a beautiful knee to the body and a nice combination before that.
brendan schaub
He's not dominating.
bryan callen
There was a good shot.
brendan schaub
Rodriguez isn't dominating.
eddie bravo
I see a very even fight.
bryan callen
It's amazing.
brendan schaub
Rodriguez is winning.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh!
Caceres just rang that bell, son!
bryan callen
It might be changing a little bit here, guys.
joe rogan
Brian, please, just listen to your voice.
The instinct in the back of your head is telling you right now to shut the fuck up.
bryan callen
No.
brendan schaub
He doesn't have that.
bryan callen
No, no, no.
Because, no, I'm saying Rodriguez so far in round...
joe rogan
Oh!
bryan callen
Has been winning this fight handily.
Now it looks like, yes.
joe rogan
Brian, you sound like a guy in a movie.
eddie bravo
Hey, Brian.
bryan callen
Handily?
Because I use the word handedly.
Is it handily or handedly?
joe rogan
Triangle attempt.
Look at this.
Rolling knee bar.
Pull it.
Oh, step.
unidentified
Roll.
joe rogan
Roll.
Slippery, slippery, slippery third round.
bryan callen
Rodriguez is good.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
So is Alex Caceres, who's on top, bitch!
brendan schaub
They need a real Mexican guy as a champ, as a big star.
joe rogan
Leg lock again, leg lock again!
eddie bravo
What about that first round?
bryan callen
Caceres is hard to deal with.
I will admit that, man.
unidentified
Fuck this.
eddie bravo
I'm thinking about that first round.
joe rogan
He's making fun of you right now, Brian.
unidentified
Whatever Eddie and Joe.
joe rogan
He's beating up Yair Rodriguez and he's making fun of you.
unidentified
I'm ignoring your bait because I see the hook.
joe rogan
Guess who's winning this fight right now?
Alex Caceres is winning.
If this is a schoolyard fight and they pulled Alex Caceres off right now, everyone would agree that Alex Caceres won.
eddie bravo
Alex wants to be where he's at right now.
He does not want to be right there.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo is being sarcastic, ladies and gentlemen.
brendan schaub
If you didn't know Eddie, you would assume he's on your side.
It's called honeydicking.
bryan callen
This is a good fight.
brendan schaub
You know what you're doing.
bryan callen
Caceres won that round.
I'll give it to him.
brendan schaub
He won one round.
It's probably 2-1, but it's close.
joe rogan
Please don't judge fights ever for fear of your own life.
For your safety.
bryan callen
2-1.
I know the fans listening are going to back me up on this.
brendan schaub
I guess you're the...
Well, it's 2-1.
I agree with you there.
But I guess...
You're in the circle of trust here so you can judge the fights.
bryan callen
Thanks, buddy.
eddie bravo
You know what?
And I agree with you.
That first round, he did win.
bryan callen
First and second, buddy.
First and second.
joe rogan
He's catching him a lot.
That's a nice straight left hand.
Let me know how Caceres is a loose.
bryan callen
Caceres is not touching.
eddie bravo
That didn't hit.
joe rogan
That was beautiful.
unidentified
He did, though.
He did.
bryan callen
He's not touching.
He's not really hitting.
eddie bravo
Look at this.
bryan callen
Even there.
joe rogan
Hit him there, man.
brendan schaub
Boom.
joe rogan
Hit him there.
bryan callen
A little bit.
A little bit.
joe rogan
He's caught a bump right there.
He's caught.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
A little cut, deal with a cut, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Brian, that was one highlight from a more than a minute of ground and pound when he was on top.
bryan callen
A little cut, no big deal.
joe rogan
It was more than a minute.
bryan callen
When I get cut, I go a little cut.
joe rogan
Two minutes, probably.
I'm not exactly sure how much time it went by.
brendan schaub
It was around two minutes.
joe rogan
But he beat him up on the ground for at least a minute.
bryan callen
Beat him up is a strong statement.
You're being very strong.
You're being strong.
You're being a little strong.
joe rogan
Look at that beautiful round kick that Rodriguez has.
He whips it, man.
It's like a fucking weapon.
Look at him.
He's so quick.
bryan callen
See what he's doing when he's ducking his head like that?
It's interesting.
I haven't seen a lot of people throw rights that way.
joe rogan
He's obviously like super fit because he's recovered from that grapple fest.
He keeps exploding.
Super fit.
brendan schaub
With his style, you'd have to be.
You'd have to be a cardio machine with that style.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be so ready to explode for five rounds.
bryan callen
He's connecting.
joe rogan
I would love to talk to him about like what kind of protocol he follows like for strength and conditioning because he's like all this is so fast like he's relying like a lot of his moves are like counter moves and like oh!
bryan callen
His angles though he keeps catching it's really interesting.
joe rogan
Well, they both have really good angles, man.
bryan callen
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, Caceres, you're looking at that afro and you're going, this guy's silly.
bryan callen
I'm not.
I respect him.
brendan schaub
He's a bad motherfucker.
bryan callen
He's an amazing athlete and a great fighter.
Rodriguez is actually better.
joe rogan
He's also a really cool dude.
bryan callen
Oh, look at this, though.
joe rogan
Alex Caceres is a really cool dude.
bryan callen
I'm not being in any way.
unidentified
Bruce Leroy.
bryan callen
I don't think I'm being in any way.
joe rogan
He's one of the nicest, friendliest dudes.
unidentified
He's awesome.
joe rogan
I love watching him dance on the way to his fights, too.
brendan schaub
I loved when he came out in the Bruce Lee jumpsuit.
The yellow and black.
That shit was so sick.
bryan callen
He looks like Jim and Kelly.
He was fun.
joe rogan
It's awesome when you guys talk over each other.
Look at that.
bryan callen
The count, I mean, Rodriguez has landed a lot more shots, but Caceres is so tough.
joe rogan
What was that?
Is that an assessment?
bryan callen
Is this 55 or is this 45?
brendan schaub
Are you uncomfortable if no one's talking to me?
joe rogan
It just feels weird when no one's talking, right?
Yair, he's so good on the outside, but Caceres has an excellent idea of distance.
He's connecting when he's moving forward in particular, but Caceres is able to avoid a lot of the shit that Yair's throwing.
brendan schaub
Bro, I can't get fried chicken out of my mind.
joe rogan
Love it.
Love fried chicken, man.
It's one of the problems with going keto.
Someone have a keto fried chicken?
brendan schaub
Well, can't you do it with like...
joe rogan
It's goddamn delicious.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck.
Well, what we could do, you get chicken and just rip the skin off.
joe rogan
Listen, it doesn't have to be fried.
Let me tell you something about this fucking place, this Cuban joint in Encino, California.
brendan schaub
What's it called?
joe rogan
Oh my god, what is that joint called?
There's a place on Versailles.
brendan schaub
Dude, Versailles everywhere, son.
joe rogan
Oh, son.
brendan schaub
They're in Venice.
joe rogan
I know, there's a couple of them.
I've only been to one.
The Cuban spot with the onions and chicken?
Oh my god, the chicken there.
They have this garlic chicken with onions.
Holy shit, dude.
brendan schaub
It's keto-friendly?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
unidentified
No!
Look at this.
joe rogan
I'm sure it's not.
It might be.
brendan schaub
I'll have to drink the sugar in the sauce.
bryan callen
Hey, who cares if it's fried chicken?
If it's fried chicken, fuck off and eat it.
joe rogan
It's not fried, I don't think.
I think it's broiled.
unidentified
Whatever.
bryan callen
Eat the fried chicken and fuck off.
joe rogan
I'm telling you these Cubans are masters of the chicken.
brendan schaub
I'm house-watering.
joe rogan
They're masters of this lemon garlic chicken with onions.
And they smother it with onions.
I mean smother it with like barely seared onions.
brendan schaub
I love a nice onion.
bryan callen
Are you ever gonna not be keto now that you've done it?
Are you that much of a convert?
joe rogan
I think it's very beneficial for your health.
Is that it right there?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ooh, beautiful.
unidentified
Do you eat that?
brendan schaub
Oh, look at that plantain!
unidentified
Oh, sure.
bryan callen
Do you eat sweet potatoes, Joe?
joe rogan
Black beans and rice.
Yeah, I had a yam today.
bryan callen
And you'll eat black beans as well?
joe rogan
Yeah, you know what, man?
I follow more than it's ketogenic.
I follow the primal diet.
Can you do rice?
Very little, man.
I just think that your body should, at the most, get a certain amount of...
Some people think it's 25 grams of sugar.
They think that's probably the most important one.
Forget about carbohydrates.
The real important one, in terms of your own health, is never allowing yourself to get over 25 grams of sugar a day.
For most people, that's not even a single glass of soda.
That's hard for people to deal with.
brendan schaub
Fruit, too, if you just shit a load of fruit.
bryan callen
I think that's smart, though.
joe rogan
It's a big part of Mark Sisson's ideas.
brendan schaub
Mark Sisson said you need black beans?
joe rogan
You can't eat mayonnaise.
brendan schaub
No, you're not really supposed to.
joe rogan
You could fuck around with it a little bit every now and then, but it shouldn't be a primary part of your diet.
What you want to do is get your body comfortable with eating a lot of avocados, a lot of flaxseed oil, coconut oil, healthy fats.
brendan schaub
Guacamole.
joe rogan
If you're getting protein, you don't want to get too much protein.
You want to have a good, healthy amount of lean animal protein.
bryan callen
You guys gotta watch this fight.
You have to watch this fight.
You simply have to.
joe rogan
You don't have to do anything, bro.
unidentified
Come on, out of respect for these amazing fighters.
joe rogan
Some guy came up to me at the UFC and said, hey man, can I get your picture?
I'm a keto kid.
I said, no.
brendan schaub
No.
unidentified
You said no?
joe rogan
No.
Think for yourself, you fuck.
You can't tell me you're a keto kid.
I'm kidding, man.
bryan callen
At my show at Oxfam, I had a bunch of keto kid t-shirts.
joe rogan
I take pictures with everybody.
I'm kidding.
bryan callen
That's so funny.
brendan schaub
No, you can't, sir.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
You're not the keto kid.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
No.
No.
joe rogan
A dude did say that to me at the UFC, but I was running back from taking a leak.
It was in between fights.
bryan callen
I like the idea of 25 grams of sugar.
That's a really good marker.
brendan schaub
Hey B, how about at our last show?
I had an old Swinger Swinger couple ask me to go back to the hotel.
They wanted me to slang dick while he watched with his old ass wife.
joe rogan
Sounds like a good idea if you're disgusted with your life and you want to kill yourself soon.
brendan schaub
I said, bitch, you gotta be crazy.
You gotta be fucking crazy.
unidentified
I just need something really fucking gross to push me over the edge.
joe rogan
I just need one more thing where I'm just super disgusted with myself.
eddie bravo
Go with it.
unidentified
It's gonna work.
Trust me.
As long as you're not, you will kill yourself.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
Yeah.
Just fuck her in the ass.
She never cleans her ass.
She doesn't shave her asshole either.
She's from the 60s.
They didn't even know that assholes had hair.
bryan callen
Look at these guys.
Look at these guys.
brendan schaub
Fifth round hugging.
bryan callen
I love these guys.
These are men.
These are men.
joe rogan
Brian keeps showing reverence in this encounter.
bryan callen
Well, they're hugging each other, man.
These guys are warriors.
Putting it all out there.
joe rogan
Please shut the fuck up.
bryan callen
Sorry.
joe rogan
Cliche machine.
brendan schaub
There's nothing worse.
Hey, you're not on set of the Warriors.
bryan callen
These guys are leaving it out here in the ring, guys.
joe rogan
Next on G.I. Joe.
brendan schaub
These guys are sweating.
bryan callen
You should narrate G.I. Joe.
Did you call me a cliche warrior?
joe rogan
You should narrate like a children's show about war.
eddie bravo
He's never been so into watching a fight.
bryan callen
These men are all sinews and will, guys.
Here I am, in Warrior, me and Sam Sheridan.
joe rogan
And Eric Apple.
Powerful Eric Apple.
bryan callen
I like Eric Apple.
He's a good dude.
Sinews and will.
joe rogan
You know, Eric Apple had his wrist broke so many times.
I think, I'm going to do this injustice, but I think they had to shorten one of his wrists because he shattered it so badly.
Broke his neck, too.
And they told him, like, there's no way you'll ever be able to punch.
He's like, yeah, whatever, I'm fighting.
He's like, he fought with this thing.
brendan schaub
Badass BMXer and badass MMAer.
joe rogan
He's a fun dude.
bryan callen
When we were doing Warrior, he went and got an x-ray because his neck was all fucked up, and he broke his neck.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Yep.
He's like, oh, my neck broke.
brendan schaub
Sounds like a complete lie, but Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
I had a chance to hang out with that dude in England.
He's a good dude.
When you're with people on the road, Eddie, you came with us, right, Eddie?
Wasn't it in England we all hung out together?
Oh, shit.
Why talk about this?
Because Sarah's on the town.
unidentified
I don't remember one England trip from the next.
joe rogan
I know, there were so many of them.
eddie bravo
There's been like ten.
joe rogan
Caceres on top.
Oh, Hammerfist.
Javier Rodriguez working for the leg.
Working for the leg.
bryan callen
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful job using the leg lock.
This is a great fight, man.
Look at this, Omoplata.
Not so good, though.
These guys are using it maybe to sweep, get past the right leg.
Oh, back up to your feet!
bryan callen
Are you kidding me with this fight?
Are you kidding me with this fight?
joe rogan
Wow, Brian, you really should be in an ABC after school special.
eddie bravo
You should be the host for the next Gladiator.
unidentified
Fucking...
brendan schaub
Here's Turbo!
eddie bravo
Whoa!
Look at him go!
unidentified
It's a free country and I can express myself as I see fit.
joe rogan
My word!
eddie bravo
What the fuck is going on?
bryan callen
Uh-oh, hold on.
eddie bravo
Time out, guys.
bryan callen
We gotta time you fucks.
Hold on.
brendan schaub
Any boring fight, Brian's going to bring into entertainment.
unidentified
Wow!
bryan callen
He's perfect.
eddie bravo
You're going to turn into the play-by-play guy.
bryan callen
I'm not bad, right?
eddie bravo
You're going to turn into the Mike Goldberg.
bryan callen
I should be the third guy in the Rogan Goldberg.
brendan schaub
Joe would kill him.
unidentified
No, you've got to be the number one guy or the play-by-play guy here.
bryan callen
I think so too, buddy.
joe rogan
You would definitely get your ass kicked.
Someone's going to beat your ass.
It's going to be a matter of time.
brendan schaub
Just a matter of time.
joe rogan
You're going to be like, Dad, I didn't mean that.
eddie bravo
I mean, you're a warrior.
joe rogan
I mean, that's what I mean.
bryan callen
Is that your Brian Callen impression?
unidentified
Terrible Brian Callen impression.
joe rogan
That's you trying to save your life.
bryan callen
The fuck?
joe rogan
Because some guy's about to beat the fuck out of you.
bryan callen
And they go, holy shit, fuck that.
joe rogan
Because he challenged his fundamentals.
unidentified
I've never heard anybody that could do you.
eddie bravo
Pow, pow, pow.
I've never heard one.
brendan schaub
I've never seen him immature.
eddie bravo
Nobody can do Joe, right?
joe rogan
It can be done.
It's not that good.
eddie bravo
You're so out there and you're so pronounced and you got like such a character, but nobody could do you.
bryan callen
I could do Joe.
If I worked at it, I could do Joe.
brendan schaub
Let me see you do it right now, Brian.
eddie bravo
Look out!
joe rogan
I just feel super uncomfortable with these big fights going on right now, boys.
Oh, yeah, you're with the right hand!
Alex Caceres is a sweet defense.
bryan callen
Caceres is going to take crazy, crazy punches to the fa-fa-fa-fa face.
eddie bravo
It's the afro.
bryan callen
The fa-che.
joe rogan
I love his afro.
unidentified
Imagine if it was.
joe rogan
Imagine if the afro did actually protect you in some way.
eddie bravo
It might.
bryan callen
Do you think it does?
brendan schaub
People want Kimbo to cut his beard.
Remember that?
They want Kimbo to cut his beard because they said a guillotine or a punch on the chin.
It was cushion it.
joe rogan
There's an argument for chokes.
It does get in the way.
brendan schaub
Yeah, for sure.
Makes it a little more difficult to navigate.
joe rogan
And a little harder to close up.
brendan schaub
Correct.
bryan callen
But I wonder if that's a lot of hair.
That would act as cushion, don't you think?
joe rogan
But meanwhile, Kimbo Slice had a fucking magnificent beard, though.
brendan schaub
Amazing beard.
joe rogan
I mean, for the sake of the people, you gotta let him have that beard.
brendan schaub
You're gonna ask him to fucking cut it?
joe rogan
No, hell no.
brendan schaub
It's like asking Chuck Norris to shave his mustache.
bryan callen
Look at Rodriguez, you guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, and look at Alex Cacero's coming out strong.
unidentified
No, he's missing, but he's awesome.
bryan callen
Rodriguez is...
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful combination there, both guys.
bryan callen
They are both amazing.
This is an amazing fight.
A couple of men.
A couple of men.
joe rogan
But see, this is my question about Yair Rodriguez's style.
It's almost never been employed like all these kind of kicks.
It's almost never been employed this way for five rounds.
unidentified
See that shit?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
What's the question?
joe rogan
He's doing stuff that takes a lot of energy, right?
A lot of it is jumping and leaping.
brendan schaub
He's not doing a lot of damage, though, is he?
He's not a damaged guy.
joe rogan
He's fighting a really skillful guy.
I mean, he did damage to Andre Feely in his last fight.
He knocked him out with a jumping roundhouse.
brendan schaub
True, but before that, it's two decisions.
bryan callen
So good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's fighting tough guys, man.
eddie bravo
And he's still doing serious combos.
joe rogan
Look at that shit!
Look at that shit!
bryan callen
Wow, what a fight.
Wow, what a fight.
What studs.
What studs.
That was a great fight.
joe rogan
Raise his arms.
bryan callen
Studs.
joe rogan
Alex Caceres is a good dude.
bryan callen
He is, but he lost that fight.
joe rogan
I was definitely not scoring that fight, and I know I was scoring it more than you were.
bryan callen
No, no, no, no.
There's no question that the only fight, the only round Caceres won was one round.
And that's no disrespect to Caceres because...
joe rogan
I shouldn't be talking right now.
bryan callen
It's no disrespect.
It's just that Rodriguez is amazing.
He's amazing.
God.
joe rogan
There was that one round that Caceres seemed to be winning, right?
At least.
Oh, for sure.
Yes.
brendan schaub
We could probably give him two.
unidentified
He lost the fight.
joe rogan
But I will tell you for sure.
brendan schaub
Three-two, at least.
joe rogan
I will tell you for sure.
I definitely wasn't paying attention.
brendan schaub
No, I wouldn't put money on it.
I wouldn't put money on it.
Me neither.
bryan callen
Listen, you guys, I didn't miss a round or a second of that fight.
joe rogan
It is super interesting, the concept of adjusting and changing how fights are scored and the new criteria for a 10-8 round.
That could also be a giant new issue.
brendan schaub
Especially in three-round fights.
You're talking about a game-changer.
The guy has to get a finish, basically, to win.
joe rogan
Well, think of those two new moves, just the two new moves that we know.
The new hands-down position, being like, in order to be where you're off-bounds for head kicks or knees to the ground, you have to have both hands flat, palms flat on the ground.
Anything else, even the tips of your fingers, a guy could punt you in the face.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
You know what he's saying, B? So remember, if a guy just had one down, you couldn't touch him.
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
Now, and remember they do this, they do this thing, now you have to have both down.
joe rogan
Now a guy can knee you in the face, a guy can kick you in the face.
bryan callen
Damn, that's a huge difference.
joe rogan
So those two changes, and then the new change, the criteria of how to score 10-8 rounds, they're establishing clearer understanding of what does and does not constitute a 10-8 round.
And I think that's always going to be open to people's judgment.
brendan schaub
You'd have to kill a motherfucker to get a 10-8 back in the day now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've had some ridiculous conversations with people about what does and does not constitute a 10-9 round or a 10-8 round.
bryan callen
Explain how that works in boxing.
joe rogan
Yair won.
bryan callen
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Powerful Yair Rodriguez and powerful Eric Scaceres.
He's a bad motherfucker.
bryan callen
Great fight.
Great fight.
joe rogan
In boxing, all you got to do is knock a guy down and unless you completely...
Like, say if a guy like Andre Ward is beating your fucking ass all around the ring for two minutes and 56 seconds.
eddie bravo
Is that 155 or 170?
joe rogan
Split decision.
Oh, this is 145. 145?
Yeah.
So if a guy like Andre Ward's beating the fuck out of you for two minutes and 50 seconds and then you just close your eyes and swing and catch him on the chin and he falls down on his ass and he gets up at the count of eight and they dust his gloves off and the round ends.
bryan callen
You win by 10-8?
joe rogan
No.
That would probably be 9-9.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
But any other circumstance when it's a close fight or a close round and a guy gets dropped, it's always a 10-8.
It's pretty much established that it's a 10-8.
So we know, if we're watching the fight at home, and we know, like, say if Manny Pacquiao's fighting some dude and he knocks the dude down three times in the first five rounds, like, that guy's fucked.
He can't win a decision.
bryan callen
He can't.
joe rogan
I mean, he can, but he'd have to knock Manny down.
bryan callen
In one round, so if you knock somebody down three times in one round, what would the score be usually?
joe rogan
Well, it's one point for every knockdown.
So it's 10-8 for one knockdown, 10-7 for two knockdowns.
And in most title fights, they waive the three knockdown rule so you can have some fucking crazy, chaotic shit.
Some organizations, they waive that three knockdown rule in title fights.
brendan schaub
They'll say it in the beginning.
There's no three knockdown rule in effect.
joe rogan
K-1 took it to the next level.
K-1 had a two knockdown rule.
If you got knocked down twice in a fight, it was over because they made you fight like three times a night.
bryan callen
Damn!
brendan schaub
Makes sense, though.
joe rogan
That's sick.
bryan callen
Yeah, it makes sense.
joe rogan
Do you fellas want a slice of cheese?
Nope, I'm good.
Getting knocked down once.
bryan callen
You're getting a pound of cheese, but it's so good.
I knew you'd love this aged provolone.
There's nothing quite like it.
My grandfather, 100% Sicilian, used to have a wheel of this shit.
unidentified
Fuck you!
brendan schaub
Is this...
You're for real?
bryan callen
I'm being dead serious.
brendan schaub
I thought you'd tell the joke.
bryan callen
No.
brendan schaub
Oh, it's amazing.
bryan callen
My grandfather would bring it home.
He'd bring a wheel of aged provolone.
joe rogan
Do you want to apologize to Alex Caceres now or after the news comes out?
unidentified
I didn't say anything disrespectful, you fuck!
brendan schaub
You said he didn't have any fundamentals.
bryan callen
I didn't.
I said his fundamentals were not as sound, essentially, as Rodriguez, and that's a fact.
brendan schaub
Jamie, didn't he say his fundamentals aren't very good?
joe rogan
I honestly don't remember what you said.
unidentified
No, I do.
joe rogan
I knew it had something to do with a critique.
bryan callen
I never said anything about...
Him at all.
But go back.
Take a look at the difference there.
That's what I just said.
joe rogan
Well, you know, Brian, it was a split decision, which means one judge thought that Caceres did enough to win.
bryan callen
That judge is an idiot.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm not so sure.
bryan callen
He is.
It's no disrespect to Caceres.
He's fighting an amazing fighter, and he did a great job, but he did get tagged a lot.
joe rogan
Look at that.
bryan callen
Our boy didn't get hit much.
unidentified
Beautiful.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
That flip kick.
He does.
brendan schaub
I agree with you, B. He lost the fight.
I'm just saying, you can't tell from the naked eye that a guy doesn't have good fundamentals.
bryan callen
You just can't.
I didn't say he didn't have good fundamentals.
brendan schaub
Yes, you did.
bryan callen
To a T! I said...
joe rogan
I don't remember what you said.
bryan callen
I said his fundamentals are not as good as...
brendan schaub
You say that at first feet.
You said his fundamentals aren't very good.
bryan callen
I don't remember what I said, but I'm saying what I meant was...
joe rogan
Let's just give you a chance to clarify right now, because this has already been printed in like 50 different MMA websites.
bryan callen
Nobody cares, but here's what I say.
brendan schaub
I think six wheels of cheese.
bryan callen
Here's what I say.
All I was saying when I was watching that is I said, huh, it looks like when Caceres throws the shot, he takes it in the face and misses Rodriguez.
This is round one.
And I went, and I saw it three times, and I went...
Well, and then I'd see Rodriguez throw a shot, and when he'd throw a shot, he was in a position where he couldn't get hit.
And I said, that looks like Rodriguez has better fundamentals than Caceres.
And I stand by that 100%.
joe rogan
You are a well-read version of the old man at the gas station that talks to his other old man friend.
unidentified
I'm well-read.
I'm well-read.
joe rogan
We get together, and you're like, what he needed to do, this is what he did wrong, this is why you don't understand boxing.
brendan schaub
Same guy that critiques Don Brady still in motion.
joe rogan
I absolutely agree.
bryan callen
No, I do some boxing.
I obsess over fundamentals, and I love it, and I think I'm qualified to at least have, with my naked eye, with my naked eye, sir.
brendan schaub
To judge two professionals.
bryan callen
Sir, with my naked eye, I'm able to decide, sir, with my naked eye, sir, sir, if I may, with my naked eye, I am able to see who is actually a little better.
brendan schaub
Well, the odds would grade you.
What you said, to a T, you said, Alex doesn't have any fundamentals.
bryan callen
Dude, what I'm saying at the end of the day is that if you have two fighters...
unidentified
I'm saying you're not qualified to judge the two fighters.
bryan callen
Then I'm able to fucking...
Look at my fucking arms.
I'm going to fucking start doing more curls.
joe rogan
Listen, Yair is a beast, no doubt about it.
bryan callen
He's amazing.
joe rogan
I just didn't think you were totally fair to what Caceres brings to the table.
bryan callen
Life is not fair, Joe.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
I just didn't think it was totally accurate.
bryan callen
Well, I'm not living in a nursery school.
joe rogan
And I think you got a little defensive afterwards, and you started defending it in some sort of weird way.
brendan schaub
And then it got worse.
bryan callen
Guys, I made a good case.
joe rogan
You got a little uncomfortable.
But listen, ultimately you can walk away with this fairly unscathed, because Yair Rodriguez won a split decision, so it's all good, but...
They're both beasts.
bryan callen
Beasts.
eddie bravo
I'm a gigantic guy here.
bryan callen
I love Caceres.
brendan schaub
He's 23. I didn't know who the fuck he was.
joe rogan
5-0 in the UFC. He's so good.
He threw up on me.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
unidentified
Threw up on you?
joe rogan
He threw up on me once.
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
It wasn't his fault.
I mean, some of it got on my shoes.
He threw up on himself.
He actually threw up underneath his shirt.
It was one of his fights.
He had a brutal fight.
And while I was talking to him, while I was interviewing him, he threw up.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He should be ashamed of himself.
joe rogan
Dude, I was honored.
brendan schaub
You know one judge gave all three rounds.
joe rogan
I want to say right now, I'm honored.
I'm honored Yair Rodriguez.
brendan schaub
You know one judge gave all three rounds to Alex.
Look at that, 46-49 for Alex.
joe rogan
I might have changed the story.
He might have, like, a particle might have landed on my foot, and now all of a sudden, I'm like, he threw up on me?
brendan schaub
He doused you?
Still counts.
joe rogan
Bro, it was like that fucking blueberry pie-eating contest from that Stephen King movie.
Stand by me?
Remember that?
unidentified
Lardass.
joe rogan
Yeah, remember Lardass?
brendan schaub
Lardass.
joe rogan
That was a fucking awesome movie.
brendan schaub
You know what?
joe rogan
I wish they'd recreate IT. I think they were saying they were gonna do something like that.
brendan schaub
They're redoing the Aliens, you know that?
bryan callen
He's so good, dude.
brendan schaub
Danny McBride's in it.
joe rogan
Ooh, I love it.
brendan schaub
Me too.
bryan callen
I love it.
I love it.
I love him.
joe rogan
Alex Caceres.
This is a fucking fun fight to watch highlights.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
When we're not trying to calm Callan down.
unidentified
Look at that.
Look at that.
That's beautiful.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's called spinning.
unidentified
Look at that.
bryan callen
Whatever.
eddie bravo
Who does that?
joe rogan
And that's the last move of the fight.
eddie bravo
Conor McGregor don't even do that shit.
joe rogan
That's the last move of the fight.
By the way, that's the same division.
How crazy would that fight be?
Conor McGregor and Yair Rodriguez?
brendan schaub
Not right now, son.
unidentified
Holy shit.
brendan schaub
He's not ready for that.
joe rogan
It's a smart thing to build up to, though.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Smart thing to build up to.
Yair is 23 years old.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That kid isn't even close to his prime.
bryan callen
I'm making a call right now.
You're looking at the future world champ in that division.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no shit.
He's 23. He's amazing.
bryan callen
That's my call, everybody.
joe rogan
Write it down.
It is highly possible.
Highly possible that at one point in his career he could hold the title though.
I'll tell you what.
To have a guy that talented at 23. That's fucking nuts.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
joe rogan
So good.
And have you ever seen him hit the pads?
It's really kind of interesting because he does all that shit as a regular part of his training.
You know a lot of guys will throw kicks like one, two, left hook, right leg kick.
Left hook, right foot.
Nothing fancy.
Yeah, nothing fancy.
And that's like the majority of their training.
When Yair Rodriguez does pad work, it's like jab, wheel kick, jab, 360 roundhouse kick.
His coach must be a beast.
One, two, flying knee.
Oh, yeah.
Dude, his videos online of him at a gym doing pad work are super, super impressive.
brendan schaub
God, 23. That's nuts.
joe rogan
But I'll tell you what, man.
That is nuts.
I'm still a believer in Alex Caceres.
I'm a big fan of this dude.
bryan callen
You should be.
I've been saying that from day one.
joe rogan
Oh, Brian...
brendan schaub
He has...
I mean, he has...
Oh, my God.
unidentified
What the fuck?
brendan schaub
Is that it?
unidentified
Fuck you.
Holy shit.
What's that?
joe rogan
Brian, you have...
Brendan, you have your finger on the pulse of American pop culture.
bryan callen
Oh, yes, he does, dude.
Yes, he does, bro.
It's very weird.
joe rogan
It's time for a new it, and bam, look at that.
And you did it totally independently.
brendan schaub
I did.
And Colonel Sandals.
joe rogan
Sandals.
Colonel Sandals?
You nailed the black Colonel Sanders?
bryan callen
Colonel Sandals.
brendan schaub
It turned out to be a rumor, though.
joe rogan
Oh.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's bullshit.
They need a black one, though.
joe rogan
It was a rumor that he started himself, though, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was just having fun.
brendan schaub
That's some bullshit.
joe rogan
They should do it.
If they were smart.
They should get George Wallace to do it.
brendan schaub
They should have Dave Chappelle do it.
joe rogan
That would be good, too.
brendan schaub
Chris Rock ain't doing shit.
joe rogan
I don't think Dave Chappelle would be willing to do it.
brendan schaub
Well, you gotta do it just because you love chicken.
joe rogan
I don't think it's that hard to get chicken.
You don't have to act when you're a multi-millionaire if you want chicken.
brendan schaub
No, I'm saying you love...
joe rogan
What the fuck?
brendan schaub
No, no, no.
I'm not saying you can't afford it.
joe rogan
You know how hard it is to get chicken.
bryan callen
It's just ground fowl.
unidentified
It's so rare.
God damn it.
brendan schaub
You love the chicken so much you don't care about the money.
So you're doing the commercial.
unidentified
This rare ground fowl tastes just like...
bryan callen
Chicken.
joe rogan
I like your attempt at recovery.
I like what you tried to do there.
brendan schaub
I'm for reals.
Of course they can afford chicken.
joe rogan
Michael Bisping looking very fucking well tailored.
brendan schaub
Fighting Dan Henderson, it's true, in Manchester, England.
bryan callen
He's got to fix that eye.
eddie bravo
That's going to be huge.
joe rogan
Is it going to be huge?
eddie bravo
Are you kidding me, after that first fight, what this means?
This is a fucking crazy...
Imagine when they're about to go, Dan Anderson, Michael Bisping, about to go again.
Dude, it's gonna be fucking nuts.
brendan schaub
Dan Anderson, he's retiring.
Win or lose.
eddie bravo
That's gonna be nuts.
joe rogan
Is he gonna lose his eye?
eddie bravo
That's legendary, epic, iconic shit right there.
brendan schaub
Oh, I love both guys.
Love both.
joe rogan
I love this idea of a title fight.
I think that's one of the beautiful things about the UFC, being able to make crazy fights like this.
Dan Henderson was like, you know, I'm probably done.
I would fight for the title.
brendan schaub
And I'm a legend.
joe rogan
And I'm a legend.
He's the first fighter ever to hold two consecutive titles in two different weight classes in pride.
brendan schaub
Never got the UFC one though.
joe rogan
Never got the UFC one, but if he gets it with this and then retires...
brendan schaub
Oh my god!
Goes down pound for pound, one of the best ever.
joe rogan
He's already in the running, right?
Top ten.
Forget about numerically, who's more valuable, who accomplished more.
Just straight up Hall of Fame legends.
Who's more legendary than Dan Henderson?
brendan schaub
Randy Couture.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
brendan schaub
But Dan Henderson's right there.
joe rogan
He's right up there.
Randy gets a bit more because Randy won the UFC heavyweight title.
He won the UFC light heavyweight title.
brendan schaub
But at the time when Randy did win the light heavyweight title, I would say it's more impressive what Dan Henderson was doing in Pride.
The guys he was beating, the drug testing...
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
brendan schaub
His weight, his height, it's crazy.
joe rogan
How about when Randy Couture knocked down Tim Sylvia?
He's outweighed by like 50 pounds.
He drops Tim Sylvia with a fake inside leg kick and a bomb of overhand right.
Same punch, by the way, that Henderson used when he fought Bisping.
brendan schaub
Remember when he beat the brakes off Gonzaga?
And it ain't the Gonzaga-Brennan Schaub beat.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
He beat Gonzaga-Gonzaga when he had a broken arm.
joe rogan
Remember he broke Randy's arm and Randy was beating him with his fucking broken arm.
unidentified
Damn.
brendan schaub
And then remember when Randy fought Leoto?
And he said, oh, Captain America, cool.
unidentified
Kadoosh!
joe rogan
Tooth out.
That was the end of the road.
bryan callen
That was when he was 50. That was his last fight.
joe rogan
You don't have to bring that up.
brendan schaub
Well, no, I'm just...
joe rogan
Why do you have to bring everybody back to reality?
bryan callen
Why do you have to bring that up, bro?
Why do you have to bring that up?
You know, it's amazing to you today.
I was there for his first fight.
How disrespectful you are to these fighters.
joe rogan
I was there for his first and second fight in the UFC back there.
I was doing the backstage interviews.
bryan callen
You and I... You were not there.
We and I went to the fight between Randy Couture when he beat Vitor Belfort.
We thought Vitor was going to kill everybody.
Remember that?
brendan schaub
Young Vitor.
bryan callen
I never forgot that.
brendan schaub
Powerful Vitor.
eddie bravo
You guys all in shock.
bryan callen
Joe and I flew down to Baton Rouge or somewhere like that.
joe rogan
Well, Vitor was so big, man.
He was like 240 back then.
And I'm not exaggerating.
He looked like a lion.
unidentified
Jamie, can you bring up Vitor Belfort, Randy Couture?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He punched like the tank, too.
eddie bravo
He looked like Bluto from Popeye.
joe rogan
Well, Eddie and I used to work out with his trainer.
brendan schaub
Which one?
joe rogan
We worked out with his dude.
We used to call him Garden Hoses.
brendan schaub
You're talking about the real tan guy who's jacked?
bryan callen
He was purple.
joe rogan
He wasn't tan, he was purple.
He was a super nice guy.
And he wound up...
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
I don't know what he died from.
brendan schaub
Damn, this shit's 30 minutes, Jamie.
joe rogan
He died really young.
Yeah, we don't have to see everything.
Look at the size of him.
Jesus Christ, look how big he was.
brendan schaub
Handsome seller, too.
joe rogan
Just get deep into the fight itself.
brendan schaub
Mr. Take Yo Girl.
joe rogan
Randy Cove.
I think this is like, is this the actual fight?
It's out there.
There it is.
eddie bravo
Let's show it.
joe rogan
Yeah, start it from the beginning, though.
Start it from the beginning.
That's the end of the round.
bryan callen
Look at this.
brendan schaub
I think it's just highlights, fellas.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Powerful.
joe rogan
A little before this.
unidentified
A little before this.
joe rogan
John McCauley looks so angry.
bryan callen
John McCauley's age very well.
He looks about the same age.
eddie bravo
Look how big he is.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look how big Vitor's back is.
This was, I mean, what do you think Vitor weighed then?
240. See, but this is like a prime example of having maybe too much muscle.
Like, you almost get too strong and too powerful, and maybe it's not like the right thing for your frame.
unidentified
Not back then.
brendan schaub
Not back then.
joe rogan
God, look at the size of him.
brendan schaub
Woodley would beg to differ, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
He's built different.
Woodley is thicker boned.
He's got bigger feet.
brendan schaub
Woodley's also way leaner.
joe rogan
You ever look how small Vitor's feet are?
He's not a big giant guy, but, you know, he's a super athletic guy.
And, you know, he's had a lot of issues with his hands breaking because he punches so hard and so fast.
brendan schaub
He's also been doing it forever.
Look there, man, he's been as old as fuck.
joe rogan
Well, you know, Vitor's had, I believe, at least eight operations on his hands.
brendan schaub
And he also had a TRT pass for a while.
unidentified
When did they stop shoes?
joe rogan
Randy Couture is wearing shoes.
That's right, Jamie.
Powerful Jamie.
That's crazy.
He's wearing shoes.
Used to be an option.
I think you could wear shoes up until...
Fuck, man.
When I was doing the post-fight interviews, it was always you could wear shoes.
And early on, it was no gloves.
I think the gloves came along later.
Early on, no one was wearing gloves.
Like the first fights I worked, maybe like a couple guys were wearing gloves.
Like Vitor was wearing gloves.
Tank Abbott used to wear gloves.
But most guys weren't wearing gloves.
brendan schaub
Gotta have gloves on.
bryan callen
Randy said, in this fight, Randy said, I'm gonna beat him and I'm gonna beat him with boxing.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he just kept pressure on it, too.
Randy's a guy that you can't take for granted.
brendan schaub
Look at how different his body is now there, and look at his body when he's 48. I think if you do that, granted, obviously he's on fucking, he's juiced to the gills, but if you do that with any 48-year-old to 19-year-old, they're going to look different.
eddie bravo
This is a pretty technical fight back then.
bryan callen
How old was Randy?
joe rogan
Well, Randy was not 48. This looks like a modern day MMA fight.
brendan schaub
No, I'm saying Vitor.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
If you compare his body when he's 19. Anyone from 19 to 39 or 42 now.
bryan callen
Joe, how old was Randy here?
joe rogan
Randy, well, I believe he had his first fight in the UFC when he was 36 or 34. I can't remember.
I'm pretty sure it's 36. Well, so he was in his 30s.
bryan callen
Well, this was in, what, 1999?
joe rogan
Probably not that late.
It might be 97, 98. Well, I came along, I started doing it in 97, and I only did it for like a year and a half until they wanted me to go to Japan.
I was like, check, please.
I didn't call the fights back then.
I just did the interviews afterwards.
I definitely did the interview after this one.
bryan callen
You and I went together.
joe rogan
Randy, once you got that takedown.
eddie bravo
So far, this fight doesn't look dated.
This looks like a fight that could happen now.
unidentified
The technique is so good.
eddie bravo
It's so old.
It doesn't look dated at all.
bryan callen
You're right, Eddie.
joe rogan
You're right.
Randy was a beast, man.
I think he probably doesn't get nearly enough respect or credit with today's fighters.
You don't think so?
Not today's fighters, rather.
Today's fans.
I don't think the people that are newly to the game, I don't think a big percentage of them go back and watch the early fights.
It's one of the things about Fight Pass.
I hate to be a show for the company.
brendan schaub
Randy Couture's not on there, brother.
joe rogan
But Fight Pass is fucking awesome.
brendan schaub
Not if you're Randy Couture.
He's banned from the UFC, son.
joe rogan
Come on, they don't have him on Fight Pass.
brendan schaub
I'm almost positive.
Is that real?
All his shit's banned from the UFC, right?
He's not in the Hall of Fame, can't come to the events, sure as fuck not on Fight Pass.
joe rogan
Is that true?
brendan schaub
I'm barely on Fight Pass, and I said fuck Reebok, let alone Randy Couture.
joe rogan
I thought Fight Pass was all the UFC fights.
It's not?
brendan schaub
I would be surprised if Randy's on there.
Find out, Jamie.
joe rogan
I don't think you can totally say that without knowing for sure.
Look at this beatdowns with the scarf hold.
He's on it.
unidentified
I just Googled it on my phone.
He comes up on it.
brendan schaub
You can watch his fight, though.
bryan callen
He just gets tired here.
unidentified
This is technical shit.
eddie bravo
All this.
brendan schaub
I know, but can you watch his fights?
bryan callen
Randy Couture will wear you like a sweater.
joe rogan
Well, we have Fight Pass, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I guess you can check.
joe rogan
Randy Couture's a legend.
bryan callen
He'll wear you like a sweater, you fucking...
You guys don't know shit.
brendan schaub
How's his fundamentals, Brian?
bryan callen
His fundamentals are sound.
They're sound fundamentals, you guys.
joe rogan
He's such a stud wrestler.
bryan callen
When I wrestle, I go...
I say to guys, I go, I'm wearing you like a sweater, motherfucker.
And I put my chest on his chest.
joe rogan
How often does this happen other than when you're asleep?
bryan callen
When I train, when I train, I always say that.
I go, you ready to be worn by like a sweater?
I say that.
And then when I strike with guys, I say this.
I go, hey dude, you ever fight a ghost?
You're about to.
That's what I say.
brendan schaub
I like that.
bryan callen
Hope you like swinging in fresh air because that's what you're about to get.
And then I fucking pull a Rodriguez on him because my fundamentals are sound.
joe rogan
Does anybody ever tap to the canoper anymore?
Remember when Mark Kerr used to get dudes in that can opener?
Goddamn, I remember Mark Kerr got this Russian dude in the can opener, and it was so goddamn nasty.
brendan schaub
They're nasty.
joe rogan
He pulled on this guy's head, and Mark Kerr was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
brendan schaub
You know the last one I remember?
Alistair O'Ream's brother against Ray Sefo.
In Strikeforce or Elite XC. Wow, that's right.
joe rogan
That's right.
bryan callen
Did Seppo can't open hurt him?
brendan schaub
What's up?
That's the last one I remember.
Yeah, he got it from...
Yeah, it was weird.
joe rogan
No, Overeem's brother got him, right?
brendan schaub
Got him, yes.
joe rogan
Overeem's brother tapped out Randy.
Do you know that?
brendan schaub
Yep.
unidentified
Valentine.
bryan callen
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Valentine Overeem's a beast.
He was really good, man.
bryan callen
Was this a three-round fight?
I can't remember.
joe rogan
He was a heavyweight.
Back when Alistair was fighting light heavyweight, Valentine was a heavyweight.
brendan schaub
Can't you just do...
I heard those brothers were nightmares in fucking the Netherlands.
joe rogan
By the way, look at how much time is going on in this clock.
Five minutes and 49 seconds.
5.50, 5.51.
Like, these are long-ass fucking rounds, folks.
bryan callen
I have a hard time.
joe rogan
This is not the old UFC. I don't even honestly remember how long the fucking rounds were.
bryan callen
Well, I'm distracted by John McCarthy's boat collar.
joe rogan
Well, how about what happened to Randy Couture's shorts?
You see what happened to his shorts right there?
His shorts are jacked and ripped open.
bryan callen
Still back to the boat collar.
Look at that boat collar.
There you go.
joe rogan
Boat collar.
bryan callen
Oh, there you go.
brendan schaub
Randy Couture.
I just saw him.
Yeah.
The Lesnar fight.
I don't know if you can watch the...
I'm sure if he's on there, they're going to have them everywhere.
There you go.
Randy Couture, Brock Lesnar.
Yeah.
See if there's more, though.
joe rogan
See if there's ones where he wins.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you can watch him.
Here's all his losses.
joe rogan
He could only watch him get his ass kicked.
He's Randy versus Chuck Liddell, one and two.
Oh, no, two and three.
You want to imagine if it was only Randy.
bryan callen
Oh, this one you could knee on the ground.
eddie bravo
Can you just search for Randy Couture?
joe rogan
But imagine if it was only Randy versus Chuck Liddell, two and three.
You couldn't watch one.
brendan schaub
You couldn't watch one.
joe rogan
Is he one and one?
Damn, Randy Couture is still taking it to veto here.
I forgot how long this fight lasted.
This is seven minutes into the first round.
That's some grueling shit.
eddie bravo
And he had the worm, remember?
bryan callen
It's crazy.
joe rogan
The worm.
You would think you had a worm, too, if Randy Couture was uppercutting you.
brendan schaub
Hey, what's CM Punk's favorite fight?
unidentified
You would think you would have fucking all kinds of shit coming out of your asshole.
He'd knock you around like a fucking old teddy bear.
brendan schaub
Is there no fucking search on this thing, Jamie?
joe rogan
Jamie, we got to get the new version of the Fight Pass.
This version kind of blows.
Not the Fight Pass, rather the Apple ITV. There might be a better version of that.
bryan callen
Here goes Vitor.
joe rogan
But if you like watching old school fights, the fucking resource of the fight library at the Fight Pass, it's so...
eddie bravo
Oh, look at these.
joe rogan
Knees to the head.
Downed opponent, knees to the head.
Illegal maneuver now.
Look at that.
So think about all these things that are taking place in this fight with Vitor and Randy.
First of all, Randy's still beating that ass.
It's 7 minutes and 58 seconds in.
brendan schaub
Beating that ass.
joe rogan
He's still beating that ass.
He's still got the endurance to beat that ass.
eddie bravo
No rest.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Just beating the fuck out of this dude.
He's trying to break him.
He's one of those dudes, man.
If he feels you breaking, especially then, so close to his athletic prime as an amateur wrestler, he's a fucking straight savage right here.
brendan schaub
There's the fight right there.
joe rogan
Just beat him down.
Collision course right there.
Randy beats it.
brendan schaub
Hey, go to the bottom.
It says related videos.
I think that's Randy vs.
Vitor.
joe rogan
Woo, look how stud he was back then.
Goddamn Randy Couture.
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
One of the best.
bryan callen
Capitan America.
brendan schaub
El Capitano.
joe rogan
Go to Randy...
Go to Maurice Smith vs.
Tank Abbott.
Go to that fight.
brendan schaub
God, remember Tank Abbott?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
eddie bravo
How about Mark Coleman versus Maurice Smith?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, man.
Everybody needed a dude like Tank Abbott around just to let you know that you could think that all martial artists are going to be the same thing.
They're all going to be like Leota Machida bowing.
No, there's some dudes who get drunk every night and will beat the fuck out of him.
brendan schaub
Roy Nelson is kind of similar to Tank Abbott.
joe rogan
But Tank is even crazier.
Way crazier than Roy Nelson in a lot of ways.
brendan schaub
I'm saying from the looks.
You're like, get the fuck out of him.
Oh, belly?
Yeah, but he can fucking knock your face off.
eddie bravo
I ran into Mark Coleman after he lost to Maury Smith, and he basically gassed in that one.
Remember that fight?
He was like fucking...
He was leaning over, hands on his knees, and Maury Smith was throwing leg kicks and shit.
He was barely hanging on.
He was like panicking.
I was working for a guy who was trying to start a magazine, an MMA magazine called NHB. And so I interviewed Mark Coleman and I asked him, what has he been doing since that fight?
unidentified
And this was at a bar and he goes, look down, brother, look at my feet.
eddie bravo
And I looked down and he goes, I got some running shoes.
I've been running, man.
I've been running.
That's what I'm doing.
That's the difference.
I'm running.
bryan callen
Look at Tank.
joe rogan
Hey, Jamie, go back.
Go back to this show, the audience.
Go back.
I wanted to point this out.
Go back a couple minutes.
Look how small the audience is.
This is crazy.
brendan schaub
You had to be just a fucking meathead to show up back then.
joe rogan
And this is a fight that I was at, too.
I remember this.
unidentified
Two thousand people.
joe rogan
Maurice, I was really interested to see how Tank was going to be able to deal with those leg kicks.
Maurice was so fucking skillful.
As far as like a real heavyweight, because Maurice is a real natural heavyweight.
He's a big dude.
But a real heavyweight that's that fucking good at Muay Thai, who comes over into MMA. And again, just like...
Like a lot of guys, he came over after a long career in kickboxing.
brendan schaub
Super long career.
He's a legend in Denver.
joe rogan
Yeah, he'd fought for a long time, won a bunch of titles.
bryan callen
You said the weirdest thing after this fight, too.
I remember you said, after the fight, you were next to him, and you said, I looked in his mouth, and it looked like his mouth had different parts in it.
Like he had all these thick jaw muscles.
You just looked into his mouth.
joe rogan
The tank?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's definitely built different than the regular human.
brendan schaub
What's he do these days?
bryan callen
I was wondering what he did with that.
unidentified
Besides getting money for the fucking health angels.
joe rogan
Wait for anybody to open their fucking pie hall.
brendan schaub
God, you don't want that.
That guy in a bar with a bad day?
joe rogan
He's scary, man.
He definitely don't want it.
bryan callen
He benched something like 600 pounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, he benched 600 pounds.
He's a gorilla, man.
brendan schaub
Straight up vanilla gorilla.
joe rogan
I always enjoyed him, too.
brendan schaub
Me, too.
joe rogan
I always enjoyed watching him fight.
I always enjoyed talking to him.
I always had a good time with that guy.
unidentified
He was supposed to fight this year, but he didn't pass his physical.
God damn it.
joe rogan
He was supposed to fight Dan Severn.
brendan schaub
You know what?
joe rogan
What happened when he was physical?
brendan schaub
That made me sad.
unidentified
He didn't pass his physical and was removed from the fight.
eddie bravo
Dan, they brought his belt out.
joe rogan
That makes me feel bad.
bryan callen
Maurice.
Maurice had a great sense of humor, too.
joe rogan
Was Maurice the champ, then?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Was this after he had beaten...
Was this after he had beaten Mark Coleman for the title?
Because Maury's beat Mark Coleman, remember?
bryan callen
Oh, I remember that.
Remember he kept saying, come on, ground and pound me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Ground and pound me, Mark.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Dude.
bryan callen
Ground and pound me, boom.
joe rogan
And the way Maury's is, Maury's like the nicest guy ever.
So he's talking like all calm.
Come on, Mark.
Ground and pound me.
Ground and pound me, Mark.
bryan callen
What's he up to?
What's he doing?
He's got a school, right?
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I don't know what he's doing.
He's a good dude, though.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
eddie bravo
Enormous heart.
joe rogan
He definitely has enormous heart.
bryan callen
He's just funny.
He had a great sense of humor.
joe rogan
Well, he's also very smart.
When it came to fighting, he was very smart.
And one of the things that he had above everybody is cardio.
Maury Smith used to do crazy cardio drills.
He would do like these back-and-forth sprints in the pool, like really hardcore long-range cardio stuff.
So when he got into these long fights, you know, because you've got to remember, we're not even talking about a five-minute round.
I don't even know what the fuck the rounds were back then.
I don't remember.
Can you find out what the rounds were?
277. This is back like UFC 12-ish, 13-ish, somewhere around there.
UFC 12 is when I started.
This is maybe like 14, UFC 14. Oh my goodness, he's so young.
bryan callen
That's a young Bruce.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Crazy.
bryan callen
I can't believe he goes all the way back.
joe rogan
He's inexorable.
He's such a part of the thing, you know?
God, I gotta get out of here.
I got a fucking gig.
bryan callen
Do you?
joe rogan
I got to do the store.
Scooch this up a hair so we can watch this fight.
jamie vernon
UFC 12 was the first one with weight classes.
And UFC 15 saw limitations in hair pulling, the banding of strikes to the back of the neck and head, headbutting, small joint manipulations, and groin strikes with five-minute rounds introduced to UFC 21. Ah, UFC 21. So I was already gone.
bryan callen
What do you think of the 12-6 rule?
They upheld that, right?
joe rogan
Stupid.
Stupid rule.
Doesn't make any sense.
Go ahead, right there.
Right there is good.
Let's see how far away...
bryan callen
Tank is just trapped out.
joe rogan
This is a big giant ass dude.
What's going on with this?
Oh, see we missed a giant chunk, son.
I forgot Tank Abbott got on top of him.
bryan callen
Took him down.
joe rogan
I forgot that.
eddie bravo
Maury Smith had a very underrated, very good defensive guard.
He went butterfly.
Back then it was very hard to pass his guard.
You couldn't just pass his guard.
joe rogan
Well, Maurice is a smart dude.
He's very smart when it comes to fighting, too.
He had a remarkable ability to remain calm in combat.
It's one of the reasons why he was so dangerous.
You could take him out like we saw with the Ernesto Hu's head kick, but that's a kick that takes out everybody that ever lived.
bryan callen
In the back of the neck?
joe rogan
It's just one of those kicks.
bryan callen
That's a brutal kick that he did on Maurice, too.
joe rogan
Everybody gets KO'd by that kick.
But what Maurice was...
Capable of was at a super high world-class level.
I mean, he's an all-time great when it comes to kickboxers from America, for sure.
eddie bravo
Dude, Tank just passed Maurice's guard.
Holy shit.
I was talking so much shit about Maurice's guard, and Tank passes guard.
joe rogan
Maurice put him right back in it.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
That's a transition that I did not remember.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
It's technical.
unidentified
Tank actually technically passed Maurice Smith's guard.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Tank could wrestle.
unidentified
Do you see this photo up there?
joe rogan
Was that tank trying to throw a guy out of the ring?
eddie bravo
Did that ever happen?
joe rogan
He came close.
The guy didn't go out.
The guy stayed sort of in it, but it was an issue.
He almost fell out.
They didn't have a rule then.
unidentified
I was going to say, do you win?
joe rogan
Good question.
You have to open the door and let the guy back in.
unidentified
You'd feel like a real bitch to toss out the ring on a walk back in.
joe rogan
Well, I feel like that guy just wasted a lot of energy and time to go after him.
eddie bravo
Morris is very good at surviving on the ground.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
eddie bravo
As a kickboxer, I don't really know that many kickboxers with a guard as good as his.
joe rogan
Well, you know why?
Frank Shamrock.
Him and Frank Shamrock were very close.
And this is when Frank Shamrock was at his best.
Like when Frank Shamrock was the UFC champion, when Frank beat John Loeber in the rematch, like he was palling around with Maurice back then.
And I think they both helped each other a lot.
I think Maurice helped Frank with a lot of cardio, like really emphasizing how strong a role cardio plays.
And also with Maurice, of course, showing him like real proper kickboxing fundamentals.
brendan schaub
You can see he's in his corner there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Frank.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, he was in his corner for...
I watched Warriors fight once in Drakka.
You remember Drakka?
brendan schaub
I sure don't.
joe rogan
It was like MMA, but you could take dudes down.
Or kickboxing, but you could take dudes down.
It was real weird.
It was just an alternative set of rules.
eddie bravo
Kickboxing with takedowns.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you remember it, Eddie?
eddie bravo
No, Drakka.
joe rogan
Yeah, you remember that shit.
eddie bravo
It's only terrible because you gotta get used to it.
joe rogan
After a while, you get used to it.
brendan schaub
Say it again.
unidentified
Drakka.
joe rogan
Drakka.
Well, Bellator, is that any better?
brendan schaub
Well...
joe rogan
But it seems like...
Kickboxing with takedowns is a big part of what Muay Thai is all about.
Sweeps and other crazy sweeps.
Damn Courtney!
And Dominic Steele.
Well, they're a crazy war.
I need to go back home and watch that.
eddie bravo
That should have made it.
That should have made it.
That's quite more interesting to me than just regular kickboxing.
Kickboxing with throws and shit.
That's more interesting to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh, James got it up there.
Is that Drakka?
This is Drakka?
Yeah.
Oh, these guys are using MMA gloves.
This is another next level shit.
brendan schaub
This is new, right?
2014?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
You think this is full MMA? No, it says Drakka.
eddie bravo
It says MMA Drakka.
joe rogan
It says MMA Drakka.
brendan schaub
It's just some weird Russian shit.
joe rogan
Maybe Drakka just moved to MMA. They adopted.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they said, what the fuck are we doing with this bullshit?
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
That guy has on UFC trunks.
joe rogan
Mmm.
brendan schaub
That you could buy off the website.
joe rogan
It's beautiful trunks.
Why not wear them?
Might be a UFC. Well, it's the only thing that's sad.
It's got both the underwear on as well.
See that?
With the underwear on.
UFC trunks.
Hey man, the guy's got a fucking dream.
He's obviously a bad motherfucker.
But the old Draco was kickboxing.
They had boxing gloves on.
brendan schaub
But you could shoot like double legs?
joe rogan
You could do throws and stuff.
It was weird.
brendan schaub
Like judo throws or like tight throws?
joe rogan
All kinds of throws.
eddie bravo
There's some more time where you could do throws.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I gotta get out of here.
This podcast has gone on far too late, ladies and gentlemen.
I have obligations to go before I sleep.
You can find Eddie motherfucking Bravo on Twitter.
It's Eddie Bravo on Twitter, right?
And Eddie Bravo 10 on Instagram?
eddie bravo
Yeah, at Eddie Bravo 10 Instagram.
joe rogan
Brian Callen is B-R-Y. B-R-Y-A-N Callen.
B-R-Y-A-N? Yes, Brendan Schaub.
Not Brandon, you fuck.
Brendan.
Brendan Schaub.
You can find Brendan Schaub.
S-C-H-A-U-B. Anything, boys?
Any dates to plug?
bryan callen
Go!
August 18th, 19th, 20th.
brendan schaub
I'm at the Comedy Store Wednesday night.
joe rogan
Wednesday Night Comedy Store, Brendan Schaub's actual comedy sort of kind of debut, but he's done it already.
unidentified
Awesome.
eddie bravo
EBI. Kind of a debut.
brendan schaub
EBI. He's done it already.
bryan callen
Anytime you do the Comedy Store for the first time, it's your debut.
eddie bravo
EBI 8, September 11th.
Middleweights, downtown Los Angeles at the Orpheum.
You can watch it on UFC Fight Pass.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
Hold on a second.
Wait a minute.
This is Tank Habit coming out.
Something happened, and it's 7 minutes and 55 seconds into the fight, and this is where it comes.
These fucking brutal leg kicks.
You got a guy like Maury Smith standing in front of you, and you're exhausted.
He's just tired.
That's it.
unidentified
We don't need to see any more of this.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
Thanks for tuning in.
Appreciate you.
See ya.
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