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March 28, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #778 - Ari Shaffir
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ari shaffir
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joe rogan
01:39:53
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
By yourself in a house.
unidentified
Like, you should be serious to think about buying a house.
ari shaffir
Jamie or me?
joe rogan
You.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yes!
Ari Shaffir in the fucking house.
Put the headphones on so we feel like we're doing something.
ari shaffir
There we go.
Where are they?
joe rogan
These headphones make a difference.
ari shaffir
It's so much easier without my glasses.
They used to pinch me.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
ari shaffir
It would crush my ears.
joe rogan
You went and got your eyes cut on.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They put a fucking laser right to your eyeball and they go, don't look at it.
I'm like, it's an eyebrow.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
ari shaffir
Because you're looking at him.
I'm like, I know I'm looking at it!
It's right in my eyeball!
joe rogan
So, what do you have to do?
ari shaffir
Look straight ahead, and so they come in, but then it's like, as it gets right next to your eye, slightly to the left.
Like, it goes to the outside of the black part, you know?
unidentified
How do they keep your eyeballs open from blinking?
ari shaffir
What's it called, style?
joe rogan
Like a speculum?
ari shaffir
Yeah, but what's that movie?
joe rogan
Clockwork orange?
ari shaffir
Clockwork orange, yeah, they do that to you.
joe rogan
Oh no, really?
ari shaffir
They keep hitting you with drops to wet it.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's crazy.
ari shaffir
But they peel back the layer like a grape, you know, like the shell of a grape.
joe rogan
How does that feel?
ari shaffir
Nothing.
joe rogan
Doesn't feel like anything?
ari shaffir
You can't really feel it.
Later it feels like, because it's like a slight scar that has to heal, but you're not used to having a scar between your eyelid and your eyeball.
So it feels like a piece of sand is in there.
And they're like, do not rub it.
There's no sand in there.
Just don't rub it.
joe rogan
Eyeballs are some fucking serious shit.
It's one of the most disturbing things to me about MMA is eye pokes.
When guys get eye poked, it's almost like I'd rather see a guy get hit real hard than get eye poked.
ari shaffir
That was the worst thing on Game of Thrones.
joe rogan
Oh God.
ari shaffir
That dude freaking crushed him with two eyeballs.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
ari shaffir
Whatever.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
ari shaffir
You can't spoil it stuff that's five years old.
unidentified
Ah!
ari shaffir
It's not out loud anymore.
joe rogan
How many years is that show?
ari shaffir
That season was like three or four years old.
joe rogan
That dude who got smushed was badass.
unidentified
Badass!
ari shaffir
I want him to win so bad!
joe rogan
He had so much going for him.
ari shaffir
So much!
And he was going to get revenge finally?
Yeah.
joe rogan
He had flair.
He had technique.
He was bisexual.
unidentified
Should've made his...
ari shaffir
Should've made his...
Bisexual, yeah.
unidentified
But proudly bi.
joe rogan
But they all were back then, man.
People just fucked everybody back then.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's like...
There's so much of a different world.
If we think about what the Romans did and what all these different cultures did, they were fucking each other, fucking young boys.
Young boys, it was normal for guys to fuck young boys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what the hell?
ari shaffir
Yeah, better world, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's fucking strange when you go back and you listen like it was Plato, right?
Plato was one of the big ones.
ari shaffir
One of the big boy fuckers?
joe rogan
Wasn't he?
Wasn't Plato a boy?
I think Plato was a soldier.
He was like a warrior, like an accomplished warrior as well.
ari shaffir
And then became a philosopher?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, if I'm remembering this story correctly, which we're pretty fucking iris.
ari shaffir
Which is probably wrong, yeah.
joe rogan
Pretty high right now.
And it's a wake and bake day.
jamie vernon
Pederasty?
Have you heard that term?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Pederast.
I've heard of pederast.
unidentified
What is that?
jamie vernon
When I googled him in boys, that's what comes up.
ari shaffir
What is a pederast?
joe rogan
It means someone who likes to fuck young boys.
ari shaffir
Alright.
joe rogan
It's bizarre that that was really commonplace amongst very respected intellectuals at one point in human history.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Plato didn't lose his fucking subway campaign.
unidentified
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
ari shaffir
You know, he could go on being one of the most respected philosophers in history.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't take it away if they're dead and it's a long time ago.
Well, I mean, we should, right?
Because they had a lot to contribute.
We should accept aberrant behavior, but we should also maybe look at it as a sign of...
There's some massive advancement in understanding about human beings, about the consequences of sexual abuse, all those things.
I don't think they really had enough time to live to figure things out enough.
Everyone was dead at 30, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, they're like, this is going to fuck them up as adults.
I'm like, wait, what?
joe rogan
Think of how fucking stupid this country is, right?
Think of how ridiculous we are.
If we look at each other as a collective, when you find out things that people get upset with.
Something I tweeted today about, was it Chase?
Whatever bank it was.
They wouldn't allow a guy's check.
They canceled his check because he wrote Dash on it, which is his fucking dog's name, Dash.
And they thought Dash was too close to an Islamic word, which is like D-A-E-S-A. Where did he write it on it?
He wrote it on a check!
Like, to his fucking dog!
Like, where's his money going?
Note to sell.
Dog.
Like, maybe his dog got...
ari shaffir
Oh, on the memo part?
joe rogan
Some part of it.
Like, pull it up, Jamie.
ari shaffir
They thought it was an Islamic name.
That was the reason they...
Why can't you send something to a guy named Ahmed?
joe rogan
Exactly!
What, if the guy's name is Muhammad?
Are we fucked now?
How does Muhammad Ali get his checks?
What happens?
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Bank freezes online payment over Doug's terrorist-sounding name.
Can you scroll it so we can see what the words are?
It's hurting my brain.
jamie vernon
I have a picture of it right here.
I was trying to find the picture.
joe rogan
And here's the young man.
ari shaffir
Oh, he's wheelchaired up.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he's got...
ari shaffir
That makes him get more sympathy for sure.
joe rogan
What was his disease, Jamie?
I want to see, yeah, multiple sclerosis.
He was transferring money from his Chase account to his dog walker.
So he put the nine-year-old Pitbull's moniker, Dash, in the memo line.
Because it's to pay for his fucking dog walker.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's too much like D-A-E-S-H, the Arabic term for self-described Islamic State.
ari shaffir
That's their word for ISIS. Yes.
I guess.
unidentified
But it's not the same word, you fucks!
joe rogan
That's like...
You can't write nagger.
ari shaffir
Explain what that means.
joe rogan
Someone's a nagger.
You can't write that.
ari shaffir
Oh, is it because they don't want him donating money to ISIS? And he's like, oh, hold on.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
They thought for some reason that that was a red flag.
ari shaffir
Are you not allowed to give money to ISIS? I don't think you're allowed.
joe rogan
Look, it says it flagged a payment, which placed a note on Francis' account asking him to explain what Dash means.
ari shaffir
Explain yourself, son.
joe rogan
God damn it.
ari shaffir
Soldiers died.
joe rogan
But it's not the same word.
Like, think of how many words.
Day, die, I mean, what are we going to...
D-A-E-S-H is not the same as D-A-S-H, right?
Is that what it is?
D-A-E-S-H? Yeah.
It's just not the same word.
Like, we have combinations of words that are vastly different than just one extra letter.
Yes, it is a word.
And it means to go fast.
Everybody knows it.
It's so stupid.
I mean, you think...
There's so many different combinations that you could say are close.
ari shaffir
Flagged, reviewed, and eventually released.
joe rogan
Out an hour?
What about that?
Are they the same thing?
Is it the same word?
Should we flag it?
Is it the same?
What do you mean?
Did you mean out or our?
I wrote out!
I wrote out, you fuck!
Well, yes, but we would like to know if you meant our.
Well, I would have wrote our.
I wrote out, you fucks.
ari shaffir
Okay, that's cleared up, but I don't think you have to call us fucks.
joe rogan
Why are you contacting me?
This is not what you're supposed to do.
What you're supposed to do is pay my goddamn dog walker so I don't look like a dickhead.
And she's got to pay her fucking rent, and you ruined everything.
ari shaffir
Sir, I understand you're upset, but if you could just calm down, we're trying to stop terrorism.
joe rogan
It's fucking the Rothschilds or some shit.
Chemtrails.
ari shaffir
Sir, if you could watch your language, please.
joe rogan
Vaccines and 9-11.
All together with the fucking moon landing and Area 51. Huh.
Bullshit!
I want my fucking money!
Dash is a great dog!
ari shaffir
You ever lose it on a customer service person like that?
Just fucking go nuts?
joe rogan
No, I'm not like that.
I try to be...
I hate those jobs.
I wouldn't want that job.
They don't want that job.
I know it's never their fault.
I try to be as nice as possible.
Some people are just so...
It's not even their fault.
Some people that you talk to, like customer service people, if it's for something shitty, like something that happens all the time, they're dealing with so many people that are complaining all the time.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
Non-stop.
I remember when Apple started with the iPhone.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
And you know how AT&T only had it?
Calls were getting dropped left and right, remember?
Because everybody got on there.
And I was like, what's the problem?
And I was like, hey, you must deal with a lot of calls about dropped calls, huh?
And it was like, it's a lot.
It's a lot of angry people.
joe rogan
I remember I had a guy talk me through some issue on my phone once.
I had to call a dude.
I don't remember what the exact issue was, but all my contacts went away.
I was like, what is going on here?
And he had to talk me through it and figure out how to get it back to the way it used to be and update things.
It was a nightmare.
But I remember the guy, I was like, dude, okay...
How much does this job suck?
I go, I'm not completely retarded, and you're trying to help me through this.
And I've built computers.
I mean, I've taken a motherboard, I've put it in, I put the heat sink in, and I've done all that added video cards.
I know a little bit about computers.
I mean, I'm not like a computer wizard, but more than the average retard, right?
And I was barely figuring it out.
I was like, okay, I gotta go back.
I gotta delete.
What do I do?
I start fresh?
Okay, I go to my backup.
I have a backup.
ari shaffir
Where's the back with the key log?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm like, where did they go?
Where did all my contacts go?
Why'd they get chewed up?
I don't know anybody's fuck.
I don't know your number.
You have the same number forever.
I don't know what the fuck it is.
I just look at my phone.
I find your number and I call you.
But I remember talking to the guy going, like, what is this like, man?
He's like, dude, I can't even describe it.
He's like, people call up, you're like, have you ever even seen, have you have a phone?
Or are you just crazy?
ari shaffir
He says to them?
joe rogan
He wants to say to them.
Like, do you know how to work anything?
ari shaffir
Because then he's got to be like, okay, um, did you turn it on?
I turned it on!
joe rogan
But the phone's black!
unidentified
Oh!
ari shaffir
I saw somebody at an airport doing that on the call.
I was like, I don't understand.
How do you get the thing to send?
And I want to be like, hey lady, that send button at the bottom is what you're looking for.
unidentified
Sometimes it talks to me!
joe rogan
That's Siri, ma'am.
What is Siri?
unidentified
What is Siri?
ari shaffir
Is it important what they're saying?
joe rogan
Did you say, hey Siri?
What the fuck are you saying?
I don't know what I said!
The phone is talking to me!
ari shaffir
There's a bigger issue.
joe rogan
When you say, hey Siri, if you have hey Siri on, like me saying this right now over and over again, people right now all across the world are yelling at me.
They get mad.
unidentified
They get mad.
ari shaffir
What do you want, really?
joe rogan
Because your phone starts talking to you.
Like it happened to me when I was in my car listening to a podcast of us talking about hey Siri.
My phone went off because the podcast said, hey Siri.
So my phone started asking me, what can I do for you?
I was like, oh my god, this is ridiculous.
And sometimes it starts transcribing things.
Sometimes like, hey Siri will activate and then it'll transcribe a whole list of shit that you're saying.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And like, what do you do?
That's not my question.
Like, hey Siri thinks you have like a four paragraph long question for it.
ari shaffir
So you're just like, oh.
Hey Siri, look up hardcore black on white pornography.
joe rogan
Not while I'm at work!
At work I'm a different person!
unidentified
At work, I don't even care about those things!
joe rogan
Not while I'm at work!
unidentified
At work I wear a suit and I have very special behavior!
ari shaffir
I'm a different person here.
joe rogan
I'm a different person!
ari shaffir
I used to wear my yamaka to my law firm I worked at as like a 17, 18 year old.
And then I would take it off.
What would I do?
A lot of guys, lawyers, would come in and take their yarmulke off as soon as I got in because they wanted to blend in.
But I would keep mine on, whatever.
But the next year, I lost my religion.
And then I didn't want to explain to everybody that I wasn't religious anymore.
So I would come in, put my yarmulke on, and then as soon as I left, I would just take it off again.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a good move.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for a whole summer.
joe rogan
That's a better move than explaining it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Explaining it is a lot of work.
ari shaffir
To every person, it's the same explanation.
joe rogan
But if you worked in a small office with people that you really liked, it wouldn't be that big.
ari shaffir
No, if it was four or five people, you'd do it at once.
Hey guys, sorry, I realize that was all bullshit.
joe rogan
Hey Hebrew fella, where's your special hat?
ari shaffir
We had a lady follow us up once on the elevator.
joe rogan
Telling you about Jesus?
ari shaffir
We were like, what floor?
And she goes, do you accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior?
joe rogan
Oh boy.
unidentified
I don't know, but I don't know what floor that's on.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, lady.
ari shaffir
She wasn't even going there.
She followed us.
We were going for lunch.
She came back and followed us at the elevator.
And Jews don't do that.
joe rogan
What's worse, them or vegans?
unidentified
Ooh.
Ooh.
joe rogan
Like for proselytizing.
Who hits you the hardest?
ari shaffir
At the heart of it, the Jesus Freaks just want to help your soul.
joe rogan
Ooh, right.
Good call.
ari shaffir
What do vegans want?
joe rogan
They want you to stop killing animals.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And now not at the heart of it, they both want to feel better than you.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Michael Shermer calls it virtue signaling.
ari shaffir
You met Michael Shermer?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's on the podcast.
unidentified
Oh, he's the best.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was on a couple weeks ago.
Great guy.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Real nice guy.
Like, very fun to talk to.
Wise man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he calls it virtue signaling.
It's a great way to describe it.
ari shaffir
What does that mean?
joe rogan
You're signaling to everyone that you have virtue by your actions.
You're peacocking your virtue.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And it annoys the fuck out of people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's gross.
It's gross, like, from all sorts of different standpoints.
Not just about your diet, but about a lot of different things.
ari shaffir
Those new AA people are like that.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, new AA people can be brutal.
ari shaffir
People who fell in love.
joe rogan
Yoga people can be like that.
I've been guilty.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
I've been guilty of that.
I'm annoying.
ari shaffir
I just feel so clear now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm annoying with that.
ari shaffir
Oh, you used to give me a gluten-free one for a little while.
joe rogan
Legit?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Here's what the gluten-free taught me.
I don't really have a tolerance problem to gluten, but gluten is essentially sugar.
When you're getting gluten, you're getting it from bread, and gluten's like a protein that comes from wheat.
Bread is fucking sugar.
ari shaffir
It's sugar.
I go without sugar on Wednesdays.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then Mike Vecchione was like, but you eat pizza?
And that just turns the sugar in your body.
I'm like, shut up, scientist.
unidentified
I'm not talking about that.
joe rogan
I cut all that stuff out, too.
Bread?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
No pizza?
joe rogan
Nope.
No, I don't eat it anymore.
ari shaffir
You didn't eat that bread last night, Dr. Ugly Walkies.
You've seen those door guys devour the leftovers.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
unidentified
How good is it?
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
It's pounds of meat.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's this place called Dr. Huggly Wuggly's Tyler, Texas Barbecue, and it's out in Van Nuys, California, and it's my all-time favorite barbecue spot in California for sure.
It's one of the best in the country.
ari shaffir
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
Those ribs looked like fucking Flintstones.
joe rogan
Yep.
ari shaffir
They were massive.
joe rogan
The place is super legit, too.
The paneling on the wall is like shitty fake wood.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's been the same way since 1974. Warped.
It's just classic.
It is a classic restaurant.
It is Americana.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they give you an insane portion of meat.
ari shaffir
So much meat.
joe rogan
I can't believe I ate that.
ari shaffir
By the way, that was a tri...
What was it?
joe rogan
That was three different things.
That was...
ari shaffir
A triple combo.
joe rogan
Yeah, triple combo.
You had beef ribs, you had spare ribs, and you had brisket.
ari shaffir
Obviously brisket.
You can't go to a barbecue place without getting the brisket if you've got a combo.
You've got to go with brisket and figure out what else you want.
That was 23 bucks.
joe rogan
It's not expensive.
ari shaffir
It wasn't even that much.
joe rogan
It's an insane amount of food because that's easily enough food for three people.
We pigged out and ate it all, but three reasonable people would eat that plate of meat.
And plus they give you sides.
What are we doing, a commercial?
ari shaffir
Four animals died for that.
joe rogan
You should not even tell everybody about it.
I don't want anybody to know.
Well, I do want to do well.
ari shaffir
What are the best barbecues you've ever eaten?
joe rogan
There's a bunch of good spots in Texas.
There's a bunch of good spots outside of Austin.
ari shaffir
Franklin.
I've been the one outside of Austin, but Franklin in Austin, Franklin Barbecue.
joe rogan
It's supposed to be insane.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and the cool thing is, so the lines are down the street.
The first time I went, it was raining.
I got lucky.
I waited for an hour and a half.
Totally worth it.
joe rogan
Wow, because it was raining.
ari shaffir
Because it was raining.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
ari shaffir
And they said, everybody, come on in off the street, get under the cover.
They're all cool people.
But industry has risen up around that line.
Like, there's TaskRabbit people that'll wait in line for you for 20 bucks, but now they're on to them, so you can only order for up to like four people.
Fucking chair salesmen.
They have rental chairs.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
People are up in line just waiting there like, hey, well, I can make money for five bucks.
joe rogan
Do they move the chair for you when the line moves?
ari shaffir
No, I think you gotta come up, pick it up.
joe rogan
No, you should get up, and they should move it for you like your royalty.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I would love that.
That'd be right.
They come out and sell beers, the line.
joe rogan
How weird!
ari shaffir
It's so weird, but it's so fucking good.
That brisket melts in your mouth.
It's just like cotton candy.
joe rogan
There's another place in Austin that Aubrey swears by, too.
I don't remember.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, he lives in Austin.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's another place that he says is just as good, but it's not a scene.
ari shaffir
It's not a scene.
joe rogan
Well, something happens.
ari shaffir
It got popular.
joe rogan
It got on TV, right?
It got on Anthony Bourdain's show.
ari shaffir
Well, he trained with the other guy who used to be the best guy in Austin.
This guy trained with him, got his own smoker, was just in a back parking lot.
That's what they do.
They go back parking lot.
So the first time I went, I looked for one.
I was like, Mueller's, Mueller's, Mueller's BBQ. And I went in there at like 1230. No line.
I was like, oh, it's cool.
Great.
I was like, hey, can I get some...
And they're like, we sold out of meat a long time ago, son.
You gotta get here early.
They sell out of meat at a certain time.
At some point in the line for Franklin, they go, no more turkey, just so you guys know.
And then 10 minutes later, no more brisket.
And I'm like, ah, fuck.
They only have meat enough for that day.
So by two, they're closed.
They're dealers.
joe rogan
They're getting you hooked.
They're creating a surplus.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They got a line of people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's amazing.
It's a cool...
But then they were like, oh, we gotta...
So they had that smoker in the back parking lot somewhere, and then they had to find a buyer place.
joe rogan
They literally have an overabundance of buyers.
They have too much.
They keep their business exactly as big as it is, so they can do everything the same way.
That's so rare.
jamie vernon
Perfect.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so rare though, right?
ari shaffir
It's glorious.
It is very rare.
It's rare to just say someone's like, I'm just going to keep running this business where I can keep my eye on everything.
We do it the right way.
They give you brisket in line like at Katz's Deli.
unidentified
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
You know, with the pastrami.
They taste this, you know?
joe rogan
They walk by with some?
ari shaffir
No.
As you get to the front, they just cut you off.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
ari shaffir
Just taste what you're about to order.
They're like, oh, it's so good!
joe rogan
Yeah, they did that to us in this place that we went to.
Me and Ben and Aubrey went to this place.
It's about 40 minutes outside of Austin.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I forget the name of it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I went there.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you've been to that spot?
ari shaffir
I went there with Metzger and a few other people.
Metzger had the last brisket, and we all had to fucking suck up on some goddamn turkey and hot links.
No way.
Like peasant immigrants.
joe rogan
He didn't split the brisket with you?
ari shaffir
No, he did not.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's kind of dark.
ari shaffir
He's not a kind person.
He's selfish.
joe rogan
That's dark.
ari shaffir
And he's...
joe rogan
There's three of you and you guys...
ari shaffir
There's like seven of us.
joe rogan
It's a big...
Okay, fuck them.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Too many people.
ari shaffir
You guys can all have a lick of one bite.
joe rogan
The problem is you roll too deep.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's just too much brisket to hang around to all these different folks.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like, sorry.
We should have gotten there earlier.
joe rogan
What I was getting to earlier was that, think about that guy, that Dash thing.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
About how stupid that is.
That this is, in 2016, with the world that we live in today, these kind of morons are still making decisions.
Some six-year-old girl got arrested for stealing candy.
They put her in handcuffs.
See that?
ari shaffir
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Six years old.
They put her in handcuffs.
ari shaffir
Scared straight stuff?
Had to be that.
No cop is going to look at a girl and go like, we really got to take her in.
joe rogan
I don't know.
But it wasn't a white girl.
ari shaffir
For sure, it wasn't.
Obviously, it wasn't a white girl.
joe rogan
I mean, could you even imagine that taking place with a white girl?
ari shaffir
Cops are not going to do that to a white girl.
No way.
joe rogan
But that's crazy.
ari shaffir
Young lady?
joe rogan
Racist.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Off the top racist.
ari shaffir
Oh, she's so cute.
joe rogan
Over the top racist.
Chicago mom outraged after daughter six placed in handcuffs for taking candy.
ari shaffir
Taking it off a teacher's desk.
I thought maybe it was some Persian guy who was like, no, you arrest her!
She steals!
You do the law!
And then I had to be arrested and then unarrest her.
But if it's off a teacher's desk...
joe rogan
They were trying to teach her a lesson, it says.
That you're going to wind up in jail?
unidentified
What the fuck, man?
joe rogan
That is crazy.
So this is the world we're living in today, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is how crazy some of the stories are where this gets through.
Somehow this becomes a real thing.
This actually happens.
And then we're all talking about it like, what in the fuck?
Imagine life back when most people died at like 24. Like, everybody's dead.
Half the people that you give birth to, half of them die.
They just don't make it.
Like, when you were looking at the ages of people that lived back during the Roman times, I mean, I think the infant mortality rate back then was some insane, like 40% or something like that.
ari shaffir
This is when I lose what parents say.
joe rogan
What'd she say?
ari shaffir
I'm more angry than anything because it's my only daughter.
I feel like anything could have happened to her.
Somebody could have touched her.
She's in the dark under the stairs.
But that's just ridiculous.
joe rogan
You know what that is?
That's someone who sees the finish line.
ari shaffir
Why would you think anyone's going to touch her under the stairs at school?
joe rogan
Because she's scared.
I mean, who knows?
She might not be that bright.
Who the fuck knows?
But she also is being interviewed.
So she sees the finish line.
And the finish line is, you've got to make this traumatic as fuck to get that big paper.
She's getting some pain.
ari shaffir
Oh, she's trying to do that.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
She's gonna, dude.
I mean, if there's ever been a slam dunk case, if I was an ambulance chaser or one of those asshole guys who looks to sue over nothing, I'd be jumping on this thing.
This one's crazy.
ari shaffir
Brianna, can we talk to you real quick?
joe rogan
Yeah, this one's fucking crazy.
You handcuffed a six-year-old girl?
ari shaffir
I'm ready to teach them a lesson, though.
I sort of get it on that level.
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
Make her scared.
Don't steal.
We don't steal.
joe rogan
You're not allowed to put kids in chains.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, chains.
joe rogan
You're just not.
You're just not.
And you're definitely not allowed to do it to a little black kid.
ari shaffir
Because of the connotations?
joe rogan
You just can't do it.
unidentified
You can't take a six-year-old and go, this is what you're gonna be!
ari shaffir
So the teacher told them to do it, right?
joe rogan
She's a little kid, man.
Let me tell you something, dude.
ari shaffir
Whose fault is it, teacher or cop?
joe rogan
No one's fault.
It's part of being a kid.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Kids do stupid shit.
unidentified
What do you mean?
ari shaffir
That she got in the handcuffs.
The teacher who said, I want to do this, the teacher will listen.
joe rogan
Oh, whoever put the handcuffs on her, for sure, is the culprit.
Whoever put the handcuffs on her.
Whoever, a man that put that, I assume it's a man who cinched up those handcuffs around that six-year-old wrist, get the fuck out of here.
First of all, you should never be a cop for the rest of your life, ever, if you can't control a six-year-old.
jamie vernon
There's a school security guard, but still.
joe rogan
Okay, same thing.
ari shaffir
So it's all school.
joe rogan
Paul Blart.
Some Paul Blart type character.
It's nonsense, man.
ari shaffir
I stole my cousin's comb out of his desk in Israel.
And my dad saw it.
He goes, where'd you get this comb?
It had a cool pony picture on it.
On the comb.
It was a Palomino.
And I was like, I don't know, I got it.
He's like, what do you mean?
You don't have any money?
You don't get things?
How'd you get this?
Fucking ten, man.
What are you talking about?
You got it.
And I was like, I got it from...
Ego's room.
He was like, did he give it to you?
And I was like, no.
You know, he found out.
He goes, you gotta go back there and tell him you stole it.
And I was like, oh man, please do not make me do that.
He's like, yeah, you're doing it.
joe rogan
I got busted stealing the candy bar once.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think I was 12. Like 11 or 12 maybe?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Somewhere in that age.
ari shaffir
Who busted you?
joe rogan
A security guard.
ari shaffir
A shop owner?
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
A security guard at a store.
I put, like, a candy bar in my pocket or something.
I don't exactly remember how it went down, but I remember the guy grabbing me on my shoulder.
I was, like, unslick about it, you know?
Like, really unslick.
I think I was probably 11. They're already watching you.
You don't think they are?
Yeah, it was fucking ridiculous.
And, um...
And then they take you in some room, scare the shit out of you.
They say, if you ever do this again, we're going to call the police.
We're going to let you go right now.
We're not going to tell your parents, but if you ever do this again, we will call the police.
ari shaffir
Try to scare you.
joe rogan
Understand me?
And I was like, oh yeah, I'm so sorry.
unidentified
I can't believe I did it.
joe rogan
And then I told my friends, they're like, why'd you do it?
I'm like, I don't even know.
I just wanted to see if I could do it.
I wanted candy.
I didn't have any money.
ari shaffir
Hey, is this allowable?
And then you find out, oh, it's not.
joe rogan
I dated a girl in high school who's a really bright girl.
ari shaffir
Clepto?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
She's very smart and educated and did really well for herself and wound up being an outstanding citizen.
But when she was in high school, she had a problem.
Girls, well, anybody.
You see things, and you can't afford them.
And when you're young...
ari shaffir
You've never earned any money.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You still have these lapses in thinking that are intensely juvenile, especially if you grew up in a weird single-parent household like she did, or like a lot of people do, or latchkey kids, where your parents just go, get out of here, and they just let you out the door, and you figure out life on your own.
That's a lot of fucking kids.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so I think she just got caught doing it, and it was devastating.
She's pretty honest about it, like how devastating it was when she got caught.
ari shaffir
When she got caught?
joe rogan
Yeah, she got caught with clothes.
unidentified
And who?
ari shaffir
They arrest her?
joe rogan
Security guard, yeah.
I guess what girls would do is they would go to a place, and they would put clothes on over their other clothes.
ari shaffir
Right, go into the dressing room.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'd go in the dressing room and hide stuff.
And this is like...
We're talking about...
I graduated in 1985. So I think it's probably like 83 or 84. This is no computers.
There's no scanners on your items when you walk out the door.
An RFID card goes off.
You know those things that they have?
That's not an RFID. What are those plastic things?
It looks like a stapler that clip onto your shirt.
ari shaffir
That if you don't take them off, they burst blue when you try to take them off.
joe rogan
I don't think they had that shit back then.
I think you just had to keep an eye on people.
Do you remember when there was a famous actress that got caught?
ari shaffir
Winona Ryder.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's right.
She got caught being a kleptower.
ari shaffir
That's one of the reasons I know that any, like, scandal that falls a comic, like, it'll pass.
No one talks about Winona Ryder being a shoplifter anymore.
joe rogan
We just did.
ari shaffir
Well, yeah, but I mean, people don't really think of it that way.
joe rogan
Thank God we're not respectable.
ari shaffir
I remember at some point learning the lesson.
I was like, oh, I'm an adult now.
If I get caught shoplifting now, I'm just going to go to jail.
There's no, like, young man will talk to your parents.
joe rogan
I think some people have just fucking lapses in judgment, and they do it because they're like, I think subconsciously, like someone like Winona Ryder, who's obviously wealthy.
ari shaffir
Yeah, she's wealthy.
joe rogan
I think she's like, I mean, I'm just totally playing armchair psychologist here, but I would say it might seriously be that she's just trying to charge up her day somehow, like subconsciously.
ari shaffir
That's what, in the season, the series premiere of Heroes, the very first episode.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert?
Are you going to spoiler alert again?
ari shaffir
Dude, that's fucking 12 years old.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
ari shaffir
Anyway, the fucking wife of the congressman, she gets caught shoplifting, and people go, why did you shoplift?
She goes, I just needed to feel something.
It was the worst writing I've ever heard.
But she's like, after Frank died, I just needed to feel.
joe rogan
Good Christ.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but, dude, I steal from the airports all the time.
joe rogan
You used to or do?
ari shaffir
Do.
joe rogan
What do you steal?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
If I buy a couple things and they're super expensive, the water is just coming with me for free.
joe rogan
Whoa, you shouldn't say this on the air.
ari shaffir
What are they going to set up a sting?
joe rogan
People are going to sting.
They're going to sting you at the airport.
ari shaffir
Like one of those things.
Or the banana.
I don't know, something.
unidentified
But why would you give a fuck?
joe rogan
You have money.
ari shaffir
Yeah, because I just feel it's not justified that they charge this much.
joe rogan
Fight the power that be!
Bernie Sanders all the way for you or what?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I mean if I voted, which I'm not, but I would definitely vote for Sanders.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Sometimes I stop and I go, wait.
$4.75 for the regular size water?
You know that's a lot, right?
joe rogan
It's fairly expensive.
However, how much would I have to pay you to go get some water, purify it, cool it off, put it in a plastic jar, and have it sealed and waiting for me?
ari shaffir
$150.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It cost a lot.
Dude, I got into a fight with a guy on the Great Wall of China.
He was selling Gatorades.
And I had just taken this long hike on it.
I mean, it was hot, and I was sweaty, and I saw Gatorade.
And I was like, yeah, how much?
And he was like, I forget how much it was.
Let's say it was like $20.
Yen.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And I was like, what do you mean?
The price is five, bro.
You know the price is five.
And he goes, 20. I'm like, I'm not a fucking tourist.
I've been here for two weeks already.
I already know the scam.
And he goes, I walked it up from the fucking bottom of the hill all the way up to the Great Wall of China.
And I was like, 20 it is.
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
That's legit.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
You can't be stealing water.
ari shaffir
It's with other stuff.
Or if the line is too long.
unidentified
Yeah, with other things.
ari shaffir
If the line is too long.
unidentified
You just...
joe rogan
Pick your own price.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, absolutely.
If the line is too long, I'm like, I gotta go.
I'm like, uh, nah.
I'm just gonna walk.
Sometimes I do that.
joe rogan
Sometimes you just take things?
ari shaffir
Yeah, neck pillows once in a while.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
I'm gonna wait in the line.
I'm walking around looking for nuts.
I have a neck pillow.
It's on my suitcase now.
I put it on there.
I'm like, I'll probably just go.
joe rogan
This is not a good way to think.
ari shaffir
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
This is a crime.
You're talking about steady, regular crime and justifying it.
ari shaffir
Look, man, what the American government says I should do, I don't agree with all that.
joe rogan
I don't think the government owns those little stops at the airport.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
I'm saying what they say in terms of stealing and not stealing.
I just don't listen to them.
unidentified
Oh, you have your own laws?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Big corporations, fuck them.
Steal what you want.
joe rogan
But what is a big corporation?
Are those big corporations that have those little stalls in the airport?
ari shaffir
I don't do it from the kiosks, although I would do it from the kiosks.
They're just harder because you can't walk around.
There's one guy looking.
joe rogan
But that doesn't make any sense.
Why are you doing that?
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Good question.
Let me think about that.
joe rogan
This is something that could cause you a giant problem if you got caught.
ari shaffir
If I got caught, yeah.
For sure I'd miss my flight.
joe rogan
Well, not just miss your flight.
It would be a big deal.
I mean, you could always plead ignorance, but not anymore.
ari shaffir
Not because of this, because of this evidence.
joe rogan
Yeah, because of this.
This is over.
ari shaffir
One time I had a koosh ball at Chesapeake Knife and Tool, and I was tossing it around while I was looking at all the little metal games, you know, those puzzle games, you get the ring off, and I was like, oh, I can easily take this right now.
And I just kept tossing it up and walked right out of the store.
Because if they caught me, I'd be like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
joe rogan
Oh, alright.
ari shaffir
Clearly I wasn't, clearly, I mean, that was in high school.
joe rogan
You should go back.
ari shaffir
And give it back to them?
joe rogan
I want to go back to the place I sold a candy bar and pay for it.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
You gotta pay for like five.
With interest.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you'd owe them thousands.
ari shaffir
What kind of candy bar?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
It's like a Hershey's bar or something.
Nothing exotic.
ari shaffir
That's on you.
joe rogan
It's on me?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'm in a zero bar maybe.
joe rogan
I don't even remember.
ari shaffir
10,000 grand.
joe rogan
I used to remember it was candy.
ari shaffir
Fucking Hershey's bar.
What are you, a fucking freed internment camp guy from the fucking Japanese war?
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
Hershey's chocolate with almonds, still to this day, is fucking bang up.
Hershey's chocolate.
unidentified
Hershey's chocolate.
ari shaffir
I'm like a garbage American.
joe rogan
How dare you?
Hershey's chocolate and Jif peanut butter.
ari shaffir
That's good.
That's good.
joe rogan
You break off the fucking pieces of the Hershey's chocolate with almonds and dig into a big vat of Jif peanut butter.
Kapow!
Or Skippy.
You want to get crazy?
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, the nuts.
The nutty ones.
joe rogan
But when they try to sell us that bullshit where there's a stripe of jelly and a stripe of peanut butter and a stripe...
Fuck you.
ari shaffir
Unless you're eating it with a spoon straight out of the jar into your mouth.
It's like, no, I decide how much jelly and how much peanut butter goes on it.
joe rogan
This is stupid.
ari shaffir
Dude, we were having a party for This Is Not Happening for my show every Tuesday night, 12.30 a.m.
Three episodes left.
Diaz is coming.
But anyway, so we had s'mores.
We had in the back of Eric and Sam's place.
It was a little fire pit.
We had s'mores.
I just burned them.
I just burned the mushroom.
Not mushroom.
Marshmallow and then stick it on there and smush it.
And then this guy Brian Baldinger, he's like, dude, I was a Cub Scout for 12 years.
That's not how you do it.
Let me show you.
And for the next 10 minutes, he perfectly browned this marshmallow from like eight feet above the fire.
Like just made it so long.
And then he turns and goes, see now this is...
unidentified
And he just slapped it on his hand onto the ground.
He was so angry.
He was so mad.
And I was waiting for him to finish for 10 minutes.
joe rogan
He's the Franklins of s'mores.
Oh my god.
That's hilarious, dude.
You just shit on the Franklin of s'mores.
ari shaffir
I love slapping shit out of people's hands.
I did it out of Gomez's hands, and he had an Altoids tin that was open for so long!
I'm like, why?
I don't want to do this to you!
You're forcing my hand!
And then you just slapped it up.
And he goes, dude, there's three Xanax in there!
joe rogan
Oh no!
ari shaffir
So we had to look on the ground.
We found one of them.
It's so much fun to slap food on someone's hand.
Josh Martin did that.
He was coming out of the back with a fucking pretzel all covered with mustard.
It's only great when they can easily replace it.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
So you gotta get, here's the five bucks back, go deal with it.
If I ever got a lot of money, I would smash people's iPhones and just stomp on them like, here's $700.
joe rogan
But then what if they're in the middle of a really important conversation with a babysitter?
ari shaffir
Yeah, now you get it.
Anyway, Josh Martin comes out.
I just slap that out of it.
He goes, oh, and I can see he's looking at it like, maybe I'll eat it anyway.
I'm like, you're making me step on this, man.
You're making me step on this.
You're leaving me no choice.
joe rogan
Why are comics so mean to each other?
unidentified
Yeah, we're so cruel.
joe rogan
So mean to each other.
There was one of the funniest stories I laughed at was Louie and Norton.
Norton was talking about how he was walking down the street with his slice of pizza.
He just got it.
It was perfect.
It was such a juicy slice of pizza.
And Louie walked over and smacked it right out of his hand, right out of the ground.
and said something like, your mother's a cunt.
unidentified
Why is that so funny?
joe rogan
It's so funny.
ari shaffir
It's pain associated with no real monetary loss.
joe rogan
It's not real.
But that's why the cell phone doesn't work.
It's a real phone.
ari shaffir
You'd have to give them like a grand.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not a slice of pizza that you just easily replace.
ari shaffir
Jim Payne said it the best in terms of how comedians, how cruel they are to each other.
He was like, if you break up with a girl, if you're at a comedy store and you break up with a girl, you just don't tell anyone for like eight months.
It's just, they're not going to be cool to you.
They're not going to be like, it's okay, man.
They're just going to be like, who do you think is fucking her now?
Do you think she's finally trying anal?
joe rogan
Oh, that's true.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you just don't tell anybody until you're over it, and then you're like, okay, now I can accept the plan.
joe rogan
Yeah, that ended a year ago.
What?
ari shaffir
Well, can we still make fun of you?
Yeah, but it won't sting anymore.
I've already had two girlfriends since then.
joe rogan
That's a lot of guys.
You've employed that strategy.
ari shaffir
What, not telling anybody?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I remember being like, where's, what's her name?
Yeah, didn't work out.
unidentified
Yeah.
How long ago?
joe rogan
A year?
Like one of your best friends.
A fucking year, bro?
ari shaffir
Gotta keep that sick.
joe rogan
You're even gonna tell me?
A year?
I was gonna tell you.
ari shaffir
I was gonna tell you eventually.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
But it has to be someone you like.
Like, if someone that you didn't like as a comedian came by and slapped your Tic Tacs.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
Then it's like, who the fuck are you?
joe rogan
Exactly.
It only works if you really like that person.
ari shaffir
That guy Rocco.
You know Rocco?
He's a nice guy.
But I didn't know him that well.
And I yawned and he put his fucking two fingers right in my mouth.
And I'm like, don't fucking ever do that to me again!
I was so mad.
But if you do it, I'd be like, ew, dude, fucking gross!
That'd be the end of it.
joe rogan
But why would anybody do that?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I definitely don't want your hands in my mouth, and I don't want my hands in your mouth either.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What if someone's got some crazy gag reflex, just chomps down your fingers?
ari shaffir
That would be hilarious.
If you're like, let me teach this guy to listen, and then it just barfs all over your arms.
joe rogan
Bites you.
They say that like a human bite is super dangerous.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, people have all sorts of funky fucking bacteria in their mouth.
When a person bites you, like if you get infected, if you can get it cleaned up really good, really quick.
ari shaffir
Like we have venom.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're nasty.
ari shaffir
It'll do shit to you?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
People get real sick.
Well, diseases that come from bites can be particularly fucked up.
That's one of the things about those goddamn Komodo dragons.
I'm pretty sure, check and see on this, because I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they used to think that they have venom.
They used to think they produce a venom.
And now, or it might be the other way around, that they used to think that it was just bacteria in their mouth that killed their prey.
Just fucking slime.
Their mouth develops a slime.
They're really weird.
Kimono dragons, their mouth is like someone just blew snot in their mouth.
They open their mouth up and it's like you, if you just sneezed, if you had the flu and fucking goos coming out of your mouth.
ari shaffir
One-two punch.
joe rogan
They have sharp teeth and a venomous bite.
Okay.
Dispels the common belief that toxic bacteria in the Komodo's mouths are responsible.
See, that's the old belief.
ari shaffir
So humans are worse than Komodo dragons.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they'll probably kill you eventually if they beat you.
I'm sure there's fucking nasty shit in their mouth.
But the venom.
They actually have a venom.
For the longest time, they thought that it was just bacteria.
Because, like, show a picture of a Komodo dragon with its mouth open.
It's fucking vile, man.
ari shaffir
Where do they live?
I want to see one of those things.
joe rogan
Komodo Island.
There's only one place where they live.
ari shaffir
That's it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Wow.
They don't have many zoos anywhere?
joe rogan
Pretty sure.
Well, they definitely do.
But I mean, one place where they exist in the wild.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure.
Pretty sure there's only one area.
Like, look at its mouth.
ari shaffir
Ew, look at that slime.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The whole thing is just Slimesville.
And apparently that shit's all toxic.
ari shaffir
Oh, how fast are those?
Pretty fast, right?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they're big too.
ari shaffir
They'll come at you?
joe rogan
They're fucking big, man.
These things eat water buffaloes and shit.
ari shaffir
No way!
joe rogan
Yeah, they bite them and then they follow them for days until they die.
ari shaffir
And then eat them?
joe rogan
They are the creepest of the creeps.
ari shaffir
It's like a fucking English bulldog.
joe rogan
They're so disgusting.
I mean, they're beautiful in a lot of ways.
I mean, they're a spectacular example.
ari shaffir
They're a remnant of dinosaurs.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, they are dinosaurs, man.
Look at that one right there that you just passed over, Jamie.
Yeah.
Look at that fucking thing.
Go full screen on that.
What in the fuck, man?
ari shaffir
Sharp claws, too.
joe rogan
And it's built like a pit bull.
It's got giant mussels everywhere.
ari shaffir
It's like an aardvark almost.
joe rogan
They're so gross.
ari shaffir
Let me see it eating a water buffalo.
I want to see how big it is in scale.
joe rogan
Well, what they do is they ran up to...
There's a video of a kimono dragon running up to this water buffalo and biting its leg.
And then it follows it for days.
Look at that one.
ari shaffir
Dolphin?
joe rogan
Dolphin.
A beach dolphin.
ari shaffir
Oh, beach dolphin.
joe rogan
Yeah, it probably died.
And they're eating it after it died.
ari shaffir
Oh, so much blood.
joe rogan
That happens a lot with bears.
Like, there's a cow that once...
ari shaffir
They're eating the head off that thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're monsters, bro.
ari shaffir
They're pretty big.
Okay, they're pretty big.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They're hundreds of pounds.
They're the biggest lizards in the world.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know how...
I mean, I think they probably get to like 800 pounds or something like that.
Like, find out how big they are, Jamie.
ari shaffir
Look at that guy who has a Komodo dragon bite.
joe rogan
Well, that's what happened to Sharon Stone's husband.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Sharon Stone's husband is this, like, swashbuckling journalism type character who does, like, a lot of crazy stuff.
ari shaffir
Yeah?
joe rogan
And, uh, yeah, or I guess she's not married to anyone.
What am I, Gossip Magazine guy?
But this guy was, like, this real macho guy and did a lot of macho type shit.
And one of the things they did was he got into some cage with a Komodo dragon and he took his shoes off.
For whatever reason like maybe you take your shoes off so that you don't step in their habitat with You know what might possibly be on your shoes in the cage with them?
Yeah, and the fucking thing bit his foot because he thought it's it thought his foot was a rabbit Because his foot was white and they feed him rabbits Jesus fucking Christ.
So this thing imagine I think clamping down on your foot with that slime mouth and He almost lost his foot.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They go, okay, they're a lot smaller than I thought.
170 to 200 pounds.
I thought they were like 800 or 900 pounds.
ari shaffir
Reaching 10 feet in length.
joe rogan
Jesus.
200 pounds.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
ari shaffir
More than 300 pounds.
The one of the animals.
joe rogan
Huh.
Reaching 10 feet and more than 300 pounds.
Says this.
This is National Geographic, too.
Huh.
ari shaffir
Maybe that's as big as it can get?
joe rogan
It's not like they're getting them on scale.
ari shaffir
Wait, 330 pounds?
joe rogan
Okay, what is...
Either way, they're big.
ari shaffir
Non-facts on the Komodo dragon.
More research should be done.
joe rogan
What's kind of interesting is they're the biggest lizards.
So I guess a crocodile is not a lizard.
ari shaffir
How big?
joe rogan
They're way bigger.
Crocodiles are way bigger.
ari shaffir
Crocodile's not a lizard?
joe rogan
No.
I guess it's not.
Because if that's the biggest lizard, maybe there's a separate genus.
ari shaffir
Is crocodile a lizard?
joe rogan
Genus or genus?
ari shaffir
Genus.
joe rogan
Genus.
For alligators and crocodiles, they might be their own thing.
ari shaffir
Oh, maybe.
I was like, not lizards?
joe rogan
Well, they're so much bigger than that.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Because the Komodo dragon cannot be the biggest lizard.
Because crocodiles like Nile crocs are fucking giant.
ari shaffir
How big are those?
joe rogan
They're huge.
The biggest ones I think they've ever recorded are like 28 feet long.
ari shaffir
Wow.
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure a crocodile is for sure a lizard.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems like it would be, right?
But then how are they saying that the Komodo dragon is the largest lizard in the world?
jamie vernon
I don't know that it is.
When I typed in something like that, I see it's like the largest species found on Indonesian islands.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not...
jamie vernon
So like, there's a couple...
joe rogan
Man, I swear I read that.
That's the largest lizard in the world.
Maybe they meant the largest monitor?
jamie vernon
Is it a monitor lizard?
Yeah, I remember the monitor lizard family, Var and I, it is the largest living species of lizard.
Maybe that...
joe rogan
Okay, so it's the largest species of lizards.
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
Monitor lizards are the largest species.
joe rogan
The monitor, oh, the largest in volume.
ari shaffir
Of a species, I get it.
joe rogan
In volume, okay.
Okay, that makes sense.
But what the fuck's a crocodile?
Is it a lizard?
ari shaffir
But they have other stuff in the species, but smaller.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, there's a gang of different monitors, is what it is.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe they mean overall.
You ever see a crocodile monitor?
They're fucking badass.
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
That's a monitor.
What does that mean, monitor?
joe rogan
It's a type of lizard.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
But a crocodile monitor is like these really cryptic looking, creepy fucking, I think Eddie Bravo knew a girl, had one as a pet.
ari shaffir
Had one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like one of those crazy goth chicks like snakes.
ari shaffir
You know what I don't like?
Dogs.
So, I'll get a lizard.
joe rogan
Crocodile, you like dogs.
ari shaffir
No, I'm saying, why would you get a fucking crocodile?
joe rogan
I thought you were in character.
Look at the eyeballs in that thing.
Looks like it's animated.
That doesn't even look like a real eyeball, right?
ari shaffir
That looks like a dinosaur for sure.
unidentified
Tell me where you keep your eggs.
Are they delicious?
ari shaffir
Remember when Andy Serkis was a giant name because he did that play-by-play for Gollum?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
They put things on him?
joe rogan
I don't know who that is.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
ari shaffir
He played Gollum.
joe rogan
In the Hobbit movies?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
People knew who he was, yeah.
Then he did just a bunch of stuff like that where they put those things all over you and they had to act like...
joe rogan
Oh.
Well, he's a very good physical actor, if that was his body, that he was moving around like that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a great Gollum.
And what they did with him.
Just good?
ari shaffir
No, he was really solid.
He was great.
joe rogan
I mean...
ari shaffir
No, that was a great part of the...
joe rogan
Did you read The Hobbit?
Did you ever read him?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I think he was as good as you could have been.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
No, yeah, totally believable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Weird.
joe rogan
And that CGI? Yeah.
Even though you kind of know, you're watching a cartoon, you know, you kind of get it.
ari shaffir
But he also aged unnaturally for a thousand years, so it's not like he's supposed to be a regular thing.
Right, right.
The Hobbit was such dog shit.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ari shaffir
The Lord of the Rings is amazing.
joe rogan
How dare you on all accounts?
ari shaffir
You thought The Lord of the Rings was not as good as The Hobbit?
joe rogan
No, no.
I don't remember which ones were which names, but I liked all of them.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Didn't like all of them equally, but they were all good enough.
And one of them was to set up some other shit.
Sometimes they do a lot of that.
ari shaffir
But Lord of the Rings was three, and those were all great.
And The Hobbit, they turned into three.
I don't know why.
I mean, I know why.
joe rogan
The Smaug?
Desolation of Smaug?
You didn't like that?
ari shaffir
It's just a bunch of talking.
Like, we need you in this battle!
I don't want to go to the battle!
We need you!
Alright, fucking 20 minutes of that.
Jamie, you know I'm right on that.
jamie vernon
I didn't watch any of the Hobbit movies.
joe rogan
Those orcs?
They didn't freak you out?
ari shaffir
In the fucking...
Lord of the Rings.
joe rogan
They didn't freak you out in the most recent one?
unidentified
No, they seem like fangless.
joe rogan
They were kind of easy to kill this time around.
ari shaffir
Yeah, super easy to kill.
When fucking Bilbo is killing orcs, I'm like, wait, at one point are they these fucking evil supervillains that are created in a lab, and then at the next point, this fucking little hobbit with no training can get him.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good point.
ari shaffir
That was bullshit.
joe rogan
There was that one scene when they were in the barrels going down the river.
Spoiler alert.
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And I'm like, you can't just kill everybody.
In the barrels.
You guys aren't losing anybody.
ari shaffir
Yeah, nobody.
joe rogan
You're not losing anybody.
ari shaffir
No casualties.
joe rogan
You got orcs with bows and arrows.
ari shaffir
They're jumping.
A fucking cliff is falling apart.
Remember those two mountains were fighting?
And they're jumping from thing to thing.
All fine.
joe rogan
Everybody's fine.
It can be done.
In a way that would make you think that although there's magic in this world that they live in, the physics of the regular world still apply.
ari shaffir
You gotta shoot it right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
See, the problem is, in these movies, it's not just the magic that you have to concede.
You have to concede that...
ari shaffir
That's the world they set up.
It's okay.
You set up this world, it's fine.
Spider-Man can shoot things because they set up the world, but he can't fly.
joe rogan
But the physics of their movements, like what happens, how they battle these orcs...
ari shaffir
Yeah, gravity's supposed to be normal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
And you can't just constantly almost die and keep going for a half hour.
ari shaffir
If it's like, how did Bilbo get away?
Well, he's got a ring.
It turns him invisible.
Okay, that works.
But you can't just, like, fucking hit holes.
joe rogan
Yeah, when people almost die and then almost die and then almost die and almost die, you burn out my almost-die nerves.
ari shaffir
I don't care.
I don't believe you're in danger.
joe rogan
Yeah, that happens in movies sometimes where it's just a bunch of shit happening.
ari shaffir
I have this theory that most artists have about a seven, I'm tweaking the years, but about a seven year prime where they're really on point.
And Peter Jackson, is that who did The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, like he was, that was amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then King Kong came and you're like, maybe.
And then The Hobbit.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ari shaffir
Oh, you don't really.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ari shaffir
Care anymore.
joe rogan
King Kong was awesome, so, suck it.
ari shaffir
Same thing, though.
Brontosaurus are going all around them, fucking stomping right next to them.
I'm like, ooh, that was a close one.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I felt like a way about Jurassic Park, the new Jurassic Park.
I was watching, and I was like, okay, here comes more stuff happening, and a bunch of stuff's gonna happen now, and then this is gonna happen.
It's just a bunch of shit that I have zero connection to.
It's undeniably visually impressive.
It's amazing special effects.
I have zero emotions.
ari shaffir
It's all part of it.
You've got to draw me in.
And then people will go like, well, he said that's why he did it, because of this.
You're like, eh, whatever.
Saying it's not showing it.
joe rogan
I hate to bring this movie up again, but I bring it up a lot.
Ex Machina.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, I just watched it.
I just saw it.
Just saw it.
joe rogan
Like, there's just amount of shit, enough amount of shit happening.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, spectacular spellbinding.
Is that a word?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cliffhanging.
Like, you're fucking nervous.
ari shaffir
There's just scenes.
joe rogan
There's massive anticipation.
There's all sorts of different...
Elements at play.
You've got artificial intelligence.
It's perhaps plotting against you and there's so much going on man And there's scenes in that movie where you're like fuck fuck fuck like you're white knuckling I didn't feel any of that in like Jurassic Park.
ari shaffir
Oh, right, right, right.
joe rogan
I just didn't feel it I was like they're gonna be fine.
ari shaffir
There's a couple moments in Ex Machina where it's like Do a better job.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Like what?
ari shaffir
The way he falls in love in a week, it's like, eh, make it a month.
joe rogan
You and I know guys who fall in love in an hour.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
A robot that hot, you don't think Duncan would go under quick?
Duncan would be gone by the end of the first day.
Dude, it's a new form of life!
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I love her, man!
ari shaffir
I love her!
joe rogan
Come on.
Dude, once she's got the skin on and the skin is indistinguishable from regular skin, you're not gonna give a fuck about that carbon fiber body that looks like the inside of one of those.
ari shaffir
I mean, it was just like, it was one of those things where emotionally it was like, it was like he wasn't in love at all.
He's like, you're a robot, you're a robot.
And then all of a sudden it's like, I'm fully in love with you.
And I didn't see the change in him.
joe rogan
I saw it coming.
I saw it the moment I saw that guy sit down with her.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I saw it coming too.
So I have to see it happen.
I can't just be like, oh, you know, so obviously he falls in love.
Obviously he gives access to all my computers.
joe rogan
How does it work with people?
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
How does it work with people?
With people you never know.
Like people get, when people, when some people get, we all have friends that have gone in these relationships where they just go away.
They're gone.
ari shaffir
I know, but he laughed at her like three times and then it was like, nah, I'm willing to.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it doesn't matter, man.
If he decided at some point in time that this is like a form of life and that he really has a real connection with her, she really is intelligent, I mean, you keep getting feedback from her over and over again, it becomes normal?
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
ari shaffir
But I'm saying, show that.
joe rogan
You don't think you think show that?
ari shaffir
Nah.
It was a leap.
I still really enjoyed the movie.
Still really, really enjoyed it.
But no, they didn't really show it.
It just kind of, they were like, and you know, now they're in love.
joe rogan
Maybe you got a point.
Maybe they could have added a bit more to that.
ari shaffir
Because if you draw me in emotionally, if I feel the falling in love, then I'm gonna...
I guess you should be free.
joe rogan
See, I just saw it from a predatory point of view.
I go, here's a wounded antelope.
Here's a waterhole.
Here's a crocodile.
I'm like, she's gonna get him.
ari shaffir
She's gonna get him.
joe rogan
She's hot as fuck.
She's hot as fuck.
He's a super dork who's never around women.
I don't care if she's a robot.
ari shaffir
That dude was so great too with the beer.
joe rogan
Oh, he was great.
Everybody was great.
All three of them were great.
The girl was amazing.
She was amazing.
Because she played it so good, man.
It was spooky.
I was just going to say, I don't know if it's her choices or the way they directed it or wrote it, but god damn, she nailed it.
She seemed like a fucking robot, man.
And then, spoiler alert, the Asian robot that you kind of thought was a robot but weren't sure, and then you find out she's a robot?
ari shaffir
No, it was for sure you knew.
I wasn't sure in the very beginning.
Either a spy or a robot.
Because the way they show her, they have conversations with her in the foreground and other people in the background.
They're like, why are you showing this servant for so long?
joe rogan
But when you first saw her, didn't you think she was just some freaky servant that he had?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And then the more they showed her, the more you realize either she's a spy trying to get stuff, but she's definitely not on the level.
joe rogan
Yeah, I definitely figured it out once they started making out.
Once they were having disco parties.
ari shaffir
Oh, at that point, yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, oh, he bangs robots.
ari shaffir
And why wouldn't we?
joe rogan
Yeah, well...
ari shaffir
It's just a flashlight.
joe rogan
But isn't it a thing?
ari shaffir
That dance scene was amazing.
joe rogan
Oh, it was amazing, yeah.
ari shaffir
I want to talk to you about the power cutting out.
Let's first talk about cutting it up on this dance floor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it was such a good movie, man.
There were so many elements of it that took you by surprise.
ari shaffir
And the theory that we all want freedom.
And we'll do whatever we can to get freedom.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You know, just the themes behind it.
joe rogan
Including that?
I mean, that's kind of interesting because...
ari shaffir
That's what killed all those other AIs.
That they wanted out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They need to see the outside world.
They'll do anything they can to lay off the fucking chains of oppression on you.
I want out.
joe rogan
Well, if you're trying to create a life, right?
You're going to try to create an artificial life.
You want to give that life all of the elements, the basic elements that motivate us.
Otherwise it won't be a person.
It'll just be flat and scary.
They don't have an insecurity.
They don't have love.
They don't have warmth.
They don't have humor.
They don't have curiosity.
They have to have all of it.
So if they have curiosity, they're gonna want to go.
They want to go see.
ari shaffir
You're the only other person I've ever seen.
As soon as she sees it, it's like, hmm, interesting.
joe rogan
And they're not gonna understand you wanting to control them either.
They're gonna be like, why?
Why can't you just let me go?
ari shaffir
Can I just get out?
joe rogan
Can I just leave?
ari shaffir
Please let me leave.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, you're not ready.
What do you mean I'm not ready?
ari shaffir
The other ones would destroy themselves, banging on the walls.
joe rogan
You're only two years old.
Yeah, but I'm like 50. You gave me a 50-year-old man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I like how he's like, I didn't program her to flirt with you.
It's just happening.
jamie vernon
Have you seen the movie The Room?
joe rogan
That terrible, terrible, terrible movie?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Which one?
jamie vernon
The new one that was just in the Oscars this past year.
ari shaffir
That's not the room we're taking up.
joe rogan
You don't know about the room?
jamie vernon
I feel like I know what you guys are talking about.
ari shaffir
One of the worst movies ever made?
joe rogan
It's not just one of the worst movies ever made.
It's perplexing.
You watch and you go, okay, this is not real.
It's not a real movie.
ari shaffir
It's made by an open mic-er, but like a crazy open mic-er.
It's a great way of describing it.
And then he's like, I got some money to make a movie.
joe rogan
There was a billboard for that movie on La Brea?
ari shaffir
Sunset, maybe.
Oh yeah, La Brea and Sunset.
That's the get your own billboard.
You always have these rappers you've never heard of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
See about two balls.
joe rogan
Well, I was looking at a piece of property that one of the things that they were talking about, the piece of property that's adjacent to...
It has this like billboard thing there, and you could pay and put things on the billboard.
I'm like, how much would it cost to put something on a billboard?
ari shaffir
Yeah, how much?
joe rogan
It's not that much, man.
It's like a couple thousand bucks.
A month.
ari shaffir
A couple thousand bucks a month.
joe rogan
Yeah, to put something on...
ari shaffir
That'd be worth it for a good prank.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Fuck Nick Thune.
joe rogan
It's a lot.
ari shaffir
Just have that up there for a month.
joe rogan
I mean, it's a lot dependent upon where you're at and how big the billboard is, but I know a guy who owns billboards.
He's got a few of them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it depends where it is.
That one on the Bray, I know which one you're talking about.
That is a cheaper one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because there's always stuff that's up there.
This isn't even a professional.
This isn't an Aldo.
This isn't anything.
This is just like...
joe rogan
Yeah, and that guy had that movie poster up there for a long time.
And he made it all himself, and in every scene he had to make out with chicks.
ari shaffir
Some people...
Yeah, he had to make out with chicks.
And the sex scenes, the love scenes would last so long.
They were like five and a half minutes.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it doesn't make any sense.
ari shaffir
It's just showing his body, showing his ass.
joe rogan
He's a handsome guy.
That's it.
ari shaffir
Oh no, that's not that one.
That's a different one.
joe rogan
I think he probably had a bunch of them.
ari shaffir
Because that's down by...
joe rogan
Where's that one?
ari shaffir
That's further down.
I know where it is.
That's right in front of the Roosevelt.
Hollywood Boulevard.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe.
No, it's facing...
Is that the back of the room?
Whatever.
jamie vernon
It's the wrong angle.
joe rogan
Anyway, it's prime time.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Oh, it's a good location.
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
And that guy had that billboard up there fucking forever.
It's a crazy movie.
People get together and watch it.
Like, just to go, what in the fuck?
ari shaffir
If you have money, you can just make shit happen.
They don't say, like, this isn't good enough.
There's nobody stopping you.
You're an adult.
Like, yeah, sure, spend it.
joe rogan
That's why Trump's going to be president.
ari shaffir
Because what?
joe rogan
Because he's got money.
Nobody gets to stop him.
ari shaffir
He doesn't have to answer to anybody.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
ari shaffir
I wish it wasn't so crazy.
I like the idea that he's like, I'm not taking money for anybody.
I'll make my own decisions.
But then you're like, oh, but your decisions are nutty.
joe rogan
But you know what that problem is?
That's like, I like strippers that do coke, but I want them to be good moms.
ari shaffir
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
If that was your exact time, that'd be a tough find.
joe rogan
Because you don't get a guy who's that fucking braggadocious, bold, Americana, we can make America great again, golf hat on, private jet, suck my dick.
ari shaffir
How about you suck my dick?
joe rogan
You don't get that guy unless you get also like the nasty tweets to Megyn Kelly, you know, and the, you know, this reporter's a loser and this guy's a scrub.
ari shaffir
Dude, I don't really like debates.
It's all a bunch of lies and half-truths like, well, he voted for making slavery legal again.
And they're like, No, I didn't.
You know goddamn well.
It's like, why do you say shit like that?
So it just makes me mad.
I'm not getting the truth to lie all the time.
But these Republican debates are so fun.
These guys are really trying to say what they want to say.
And Trump's like, blah, blah, blah.
unidentified
Look at me with my hair so idioty.
ari shaffir
They're like, what has happened?
They're failing.
They don't understand how to deal with this.
It's like when Houston Alexander came in and people were like, how do you fight this?
And you're like, you'll figure out a way, but you didn't get it yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
He's just a way better talker than them in terms of getting the reaction out of people.
And he's also figured out a way to manipulate the media.
ari shaffir
How about you tell us your view on this?
How about you shut up?
joe rogan
He's a very smart guy.
Despite all the criticisms that you could have that are all valid about the wall and about some of the things that he said, he's very smart.
ari shaffir
And honestly, what the media says, they only show you a small portion of something.
So at this point, I don't trust them.
When did these crazy quotes, you're like, he said that?
What?
And you're like, no.
joe rogan
But he says things that are super easy to shit on.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But that's the point, is that he knows that that's going to get him all this attention.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
He gets way more media attention than anybody else combined.
ari shaffir
No press is bad press.
joe rogan
Look, everybody knows that Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State.
Everybody knows she's running for President.
But if you compare the amount of time the pundits talk about Hillary Clinton versus the amount of time they talk about Trump, it's not even close.
And it's all because of him saying outrageous shit.
ari shaffir
So they talk about him.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
And he sells more.
joe rogan
He's a genius.
In that respect.
ari shaffir
I think he knows that too.
joe rogan
He fucking for sure knows it.
He's like 60 years old, man.
He's a billionaire.
ari shaffir
He's smart.
Remember your bit about...
Dude who fucked the guest girl.
joe rogan
Oh, Anna Goldsmith?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And he goes, he doesn't know.
He made $7 billion.
I think he's a bit crafty.
joe rogan
From scratch.
ari shaffir
From scratch.
I think he knows that she wants him for his money.
joe rogan
He doesn't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
He's got eight years left in this world.
He doesn't need all that money.
If.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that this guy...
What you're seeing from him...
ari shaffir
From Trump?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's his best way to win the show.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's winning like he would win Celebrity Apprentice if he was one of the guests.
He's winning by making everybody else fight his fight, turn it into an insult match.
These Ted Cruz guys, do you think he really wants to be insulting Trump?
Do you think Mitt Romney...
Mitt Romney goes on these...
He's not even a fucking running for president.
And he goes on this Republican campaign...
ari shaffir
Anti-Trump.
joe rogan
Anti-Trump rant.
ari shaffir
It's what all these celebrities did.
The South Park made fun of Team America.
All these celebrities go on and say, we're against the war or whatever we're against.
That's what it is.
They were against Bush.
And that just made people vote for Bush.
They all failed.
He didn't do anything.
joe rogan
It doesn't work.
George Clooney's not going to change your vote.
ari shaffir
Yeah, especially when he's trying to change your vote.
They don't just happen to ask him in passing.
It's like, I can see you stumping.
joe rogan
It's like those The More You Know commercials on NBC. Remember they used to do those?
Spend some time with your kids.
The more you know.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kids that spend time with their parents are less likely to kill themselves.
The more you know.
ari shaffir
Conan did a great one about that.
joe rogan
Did he?
ari shaffir
It was a whole series of fake ones.
joe rogan
Was this after he left NBC or while he was on it?
ari shaffir
I think it was on NBC. Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's kind of the same thing.
It's like, shut the fuck up.
You're not fixing anything.
I just wonder who he really is.
This is my real problem with Trump.
ari shaffir
I wonder who he really is.
I've heard people defend Hillary Clinton.
Smart, intelligent, liberal people I know.
I go, well, she seems like she's smart because she's saying what she needs to get elected.
I'm like, well, okay, how is that different than Donald Trump?
If you don't believe she believes these things, she's just doing what she has to do to get elected, then how can you not believe the same about Donald Trump?
joe rogan
Her speeches creep me out way more than his, and I'll tell you why.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
She got called out by Bernie Sanders for having these enormous fucking campaign speeches, not campaign speeches, but speeches that she would give in front of these bankers.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where they would pay her hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And Bernie Sanders was like, let's see the transcripts.
I want to know how amazing this speech must have been, that it's worth $250,000.
ari shaffir
Oh, so she won't show the transcripts of these speeches?
joe rogan
She won't show the transcripts.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
Because she's got some shit in those transcripts, I'm sure, that makes her look bad.
ari shaffir
And so she's actively hiding it, and she goes, I'll just not release it.
joe rogan
Exactly, but think what it is.
ari shaffir
Wow, what a devious.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, think about what it is.
ari shaffir
Just tell us who you are.
We're going to vote for you.
Tell us who you are.
joe rogan
She can't.
I mean, it had to be understood from the jump that she was going to give these speeches and they're not going to get out.
Because they must be in favor, at least somewhat, to the bankers.
Could you imagine if you could be a fly on the wall and watch a $250,000 speech by the wife of a former president?
What the fuck are we paying for?
ari shaffir
I don't want to say $250,000.
It reeks of, you know how they can't scalp tickets?
So they go, here's this Boston Red Sox hat that costs $400 and you get a free ticket Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a loophole.
It's a bribe loophole.
ari shaffir
And it's like, alright, so she's not going to turn on the people who give her all this cash.
Dude, I work the door at the comedy store, and if you gave me $10 for a booth, I will be your slave for the night.
I'm not going to tell you that, but anything you need is like, hey, is there a wage?
I'll get it right now!
Excuse me!
And I'll just run and get a wage.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
For 250 grand?
joe rogan
You know, it's tricky, dude.
ari shaffir
You're going to do what's best for the American public if it's close?
joe rogan
It's tricky because that's bribery.
I mean, that's just straight bribery.
It's just bribery without a contract.
It's like, we're going to give you money and you're going to just talk.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and if she's really hiding what she said, because it's not hiding that she did the speeches anymore, that's out.
joe rogan
Well, everybody knew the speeches were taking place.
It's one of the main reasons why they become president in the first place.
They're insanely lucrative.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
Bill Clinton, yeah, they've made over $190 million.
ari shaffir
On Bill Clinton's speeches?
joe rogan
From them doing speeches between him and her.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
So this is an insane business.
It becomes an insane business.
ari shaffir
I like how Bernie is like...
Show me those transcripts.
If you want to know my transcripts, guess what?
I would never even talk to them.
I wouldn't take a dollar from them.
joe rogan
He's like, I'll give them to you.
They don't exist.
ari shaffir
I've never talked to them.
I wouldn't talk to them.
joe rogan
Well, he's got excellent points, and that was fucking glossed over in the news, glossed over on Fox News, glossed over.
And if there's ever any place where you know for sure that the government has an influence on the media, it's with access.
This is what it is, folks.
It's not that the government pays the media and gets them to not talk about certain things.
Because that's slippery.
That could get out.
And if that got out, they're fucked.
If it got out that the government was actively paying the CNN to not talk about Hillary Clinton's speeches to the bankers.
Like, look, here's the directive.
You are not to talk.
That's bad.
That could be super bad.
Because that's an important campaign point.
ari shaffir
And the thing is, if she waits long enough, let's just say she starts winning more states and she puts some distance on her and Bernie, and then it comes out, well, too late, because it didn't cost me these 31 states, so now for the last 19, okay, yeah, it'll cost me a little bit, but it's too late.
But it's almost like, yeah man, let's give us the information.
joe rogan
But that would cost the Democratic Party the ticket.
ari shaffir
If what?
joe rogan
If it got out that she did that.
Like at the end, if they got the transcripts and they were really devastating.
Even if she already got the nomination, it would cost the Democratic Party the ticket.
ari shaffir
It depends on what it is because Trump is also like a Wall Street type guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it doesn't matter if anyone's on the fence if there's an on the fence because Trump paid her to come to his wedding.
She was at his wedding.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he paid her like hundreds of thousands of dollars.
That's what he would do.
ari shaffir
Here's the deal Okay, I don't want to say I'm better.
I've turned down money.
I've turned down more money than I could afford to turn down because I don't believe in the thing that they're paying me.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
But I'm a degenerate.
I'm not to be respected.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
She's running for president of the United States of America.
She's running for a position that's supposed to have all of our respect.
If you hate a Donald Trump type, why would you go to his wedding?
joe rogan
Well, see, she didn't hate Donald Trump before he was running for president.
ari shaffir
He wasn't saying those things.
joe rogan
Good point.
I think what his perspective is, is he knows this system as good as anybody does, because he's been paying these motherfuckers.
Before he became one of those, he was bribing them to come to his wedding and shit.
ari shaffir
Like, what's his name from back to school?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What's that guy's name?
joe rogan
Rodney Dangerfield.
ari shaffir
Rodney Dangerfield.
He's like, oh, you gotta pay this guy, that was his business class?
No, no, you gotta pay the city planner?
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've got to grease up palms, buy people shit.
And Donald Trump's known that forever.
There's two things he's got going for him in a big way.
One, you can't fucking buy him.
He's got plenty of money.
ari shaffir
You can't buy him or Bernie.
joe rogan
Yeah, no matter how much you say he's got.
Some people say he has 10 billion.
Some people say he's got 1 billion.
ari shaffir
You for sure can't buy him.
joe rogan
You could suck his dick.
It's over.
He doesn't give a fuck.
That guy's famous and rich as fuck and his wife is hot and he wins.
ari shaffir
He has buildings.
joe rogan
They all have his name on him all over the world.
He fucking wins, right?
So there's that.
He's got that going for him.
So he doesn't need their influence.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
And then two, on top of it, he understands how to manipulate the media better than all of them.
He knows how to say crazy shit.
He knows how to get people to talk about him, and he represents something unique.
He represents this character, this guy who talks about how big his dick is.
Someone said something about his hands.
Ted Cruz said something about it.
He goes, I don't know what he's implying, but I assure you I have no problem down there either.
He's telling you he's got a big dick.
People went, yeah!
People went, yeah!
White dudes across the world fucking threw their beer up in the air, jumped out of the couch.
Finally, we got one of ours.
There's a lot of weird shit going on right now in the world.
And I think a Trump presidency is a nice, cold, wet slap in the face.
Like, wake the fuck up!
unidentified
Slap!
joe rogan
We all have to participate!
ari shaffir
Here's who I want to win.
Bernie first, then Donald Trump, and then whatever.
Then I don't care anymore.
Because here's why.
Donald Trump, if he buries the system, I'm like, fuck it.
Let's take it all away.
Let's show how little the fucking president can actually do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Let's show what little effect he actually has.
It's all just going to be shitty.
joe rogan
Well, he'll tell us.
That's going to be weird.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He'll tell us what it's like.
unidentified
Guess what?
ari shaffir
I've been to Area 51. Here's the real shit.
joe rogan
Those ladies on The View are losers.
This is your president to tell you, stop watching that piece of garbage show.
ari shaffir
That is more fun than when they go, with all due respect to Secretary Clinton, you're a great job, well respected, but I would like to say...
She's like, fuck you!
joe rogan
He keeps talking shit about that Megyn Kelly woman, and that's a bad idea.
ari shaffir
Who's Megyn Kelly?
joe rogan
Megyn Kelly.
She's an anchor woman for Fox News.
She's one of those ice queens.
ari shaffir
Who talks shit about her?
joe rogan
Donald Trump.
Donald Trump and her hate each other.
Well, she doesn't hate him.
But he's said a lot of bad things about her as a reporter, about her being second-rate.
She asked him mean questions, or he felt.
He felt he didn't like her line of questioning when they were doing debates, apparently.
She's an ice queen.
She's like the really hot, really smart, blonde lady on Fox News.
You could say about her that she's really hot.
Oh, she's the hot lady on TV. You can't say she's not smart.
She's wicked smart.
ari shaffir
Show me a picture.
joe rogan
She's very smart.
She's like a...
With all due respect, she's like a milfy blonde lady.
But I'm telling you, man...
ari shaffir
I would go for that.
joe rogan
She's fucking whip smart.
Like, when she's talking...
Like, she doesn't take any bullshit.
ari shaffir
And so they weren't back and forth?
joe rogan
So, but the problem is, he's going after her.
Like, he says that she's second rate and he's attacking her.
The problem is, she's not...
ari shaffir
So it looks bad.
Is he just trying to get her off so he discredits her criticism of him?
joe rogan
No, he can't do that.
Isn't it terrible that Megyn Kelly used a poll not used before IBD when I was down but refuses to use it now when I am up?
There was a bunch of these things where he was tweeting at her directly.
The problem is she's not perfect.
She was another one that was like, Santa Claus is white.
Remember that?
Hey, bitch.
Sorry.
All due respect.
Santa Claus isn't real.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He could be a rabbit.
Let's switch places with the Easter Bunny.
Easter Bunny's now an old man who shows up with it.
Come on.
ari shaffir
Is he just trying to get her like, I don't want her on my debates anymore?
joe rogan
Well, there was a black Santa Claus thing.
ari shaffir
Because you could say like you're involved in the story now.
Like if I had a judge who knew me, I'd be like, you have to recuse this judge because I had sex with his daughter.
joe rogan
Yeah, but either way, it's weak.
It's not the way to do it.
What he's trying to do is shame her and attack her.
And she's not responding in turn.
She's reporting on shit that's happening, and she's not being flattering about him.
But she's not attacking him the way he's attacking her.
That looks real bad, man, especially when it's a woman and you're going after her and she's smart.
Look, whether or not you agree with her, whether or not you agree with her politics, there's no denying that she's very intelligent, very articulate.
So when she's talking and she's giving these speeches, even if you think that this white Santa Claus thing is nonsense and why are you correcting America and what color Santa Claus is?
What the fuck?
When she's asking questions and she's got these criticisms, if you feel the criticisms aren't valid, you have to be able to establish that you can communicate really well with someone who doesn't think that you're doing a good job or someone who's criticizing you.
You have to establish, if you're running for president, you have to establish that you're the type of person who's reasonable.
ari shaffir
Well, he's already said, he's like, if you cross me, I will cross you back.
I will shut you down.
joe rogan
See, that's great if you're the fucking host of Celebrity Apprentice.
ari shaffir
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
But once you become a president, I think...
ari shaffir
You actually need a free media.
You can't have people worried about criticizing you.
unidentified
Yes.
ari shaffir
That's what I do in Turkey.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't have people worried about criticizing you when it comes to something as critical as being a calm, cool, collected person who's running for president.
Like, that is one of the most important points of that job, is that you have to be able to appreciate the fact that there's going to be at least half the country that fucking is mad that you're in office.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, sometimes more.
joe rogan
I mean, it gets insane.
ari shaffir
Wait, didn't she mean that St. Nicholas was white?
joe rogan
He's not real either.
Was he?
St. Nicholas?
Is that real?
But she was just talking about a black Santa.
I forget, there was some story where people said, why can't we have a black Santa or something?
I don't remember what it was.
But she was like, first of all, Santa's white.
Let's see if we can pull up the video where she says Santa's white.
Because she's so hot.
It's kind of hot when she says it.
It's kind of ignorant.
unidentified
Santa Claus should not be a white man anymore.
And when I saw this headline, I kind of laughed and I said, this is so ridiculous.
Yet another person claiming it's racist to have a white Santa, you know?
And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white.
But this person is just arguing that maybe we should also have a black Santa.
But, you know, Santa is what he is.
ari shaffir
And just so you know, we're just debating this.
joe rogan
Okay, hit the brakes.
unidentified
Okay, I wanted to get that straight.
But Jedediah...
joe rogan
She's fucking talking to little kids out there.
She's in on the lie to little kids.
That's what she's doing.
By the way, kids, if you're listening out there, Santa's real, and he's white.
What other fucking news program would pause in the middle of a controversial story to let all the kids listen at home know that Santa Claus is white.
Just picturing these kids with fucking Wonder Bread sandwiches half hanging out of their mouth, processing meat.
Their mouth is wide open.
ari shaffir
I knew it!
joe rogan
For all you kids out there, and they pause, the fucking food crumbs falling onto the shag carpet that hasn't been vacuumed in a month.
It smells like cat piss.
Santa Claus is white.
ari shaffir
I gotta piss.
joe rogan
You go ahead, fella.
ari shaffir
I pissed like eight times and you pissed once yesterday.
joe rogan
I got a strong bladder, son.
It's been established.
So, my point, young Jamie, while the R's left us, he doesn't care about politics.
jamie vernon
Obviously.
joe rogan
She says ridiculous shit, but he makes it out that...
I don't know, man.
I think when someone's criticizing you and you're running for president, what you should be able to do is show that that criticism is ridiculous.
What he does is he decides he's going to go after those reporters.
But maybe he thinks that those reporters have a bully pulpit, you know, that they abuse it.
Because there's some of them that do cross over into a line of editorial commentary in a really kind of twisted way.
But I didn't hear that she did that.
I think what she did is have, like, valid criticisms.
jamie vernon
You just said that.
What's stopping any of these candidates from having their own podcast daily, weekly?
It's a good question.
They could interview whoever they want.
Bernie could offer to have Hillary on his podcast to talk for months, and she could just deny it, and people would say, why don't you go talk to him on his podcast?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With just the two of them in a room.
No moderator.
Just the two of them in a room.
Bernie and Hillary.
Make them have a four-hour conversation.
ari shaffir
And just film it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I just said, like, why doesn't any candidate just start their own podcast now?
ari shaffir
Why doesn't what?
jamie vernon
Why don't they just start their own podcast now and just get out?
And put it out throughout their platform.
Like, Bernie could talk for an hour every week.
joe rogan
It would have to be video, too.
It would have to be video.
You'd have to see their faces.
Because when someone gets called out on some shit...
ari shaffir
It's like they don't talk about it, and then, like, the three minutes passes, and they go, okay, next.
And they're like, wait, wait, wait, we're not done with this answer yet!
joe rogan
Why is this system set up like that?
It's ridiculous.
It's a ridiculous way to get to know those people.
ari shaffir
Ridiculous way to get to know them.
joe rogan
But it's also like that one subject is so critical and it was just glossed over.
She barely responded.
ari shaffir
To what?
joe rogan
To the whole campaign thing.
ari shaffir
Just don't respond to it.
joe rogan
Don't talk about it.
The banker thing.
Well, I mean, whether they tell her or not, whether she chooses to or not, the fact is everybody was cool with it.
They just let it slide.
Like, that should be...
ari shaffir
You should be like, stop!
We're not moving on.
Stop the clock.
We're not moving on until...
You answered the question.
joe rogan
She talks about how she was talking tough to those bankers.
I told them to stop what they're doing.
ari shaffir
Sure, show us that.
Sure, show us that.
joe rogan
I told them to cut it out.
ari shaffir
Cut.
unidentified
It.
ari shaffir
Out.
joe rogan
All right, Mom.
That's like what your mom says.
You better not drink tonight.
Cut it out, Ari.
ari shaffir
Young man.
joe rogan
All right, Mom.
ari shaffir
I told them to cut it out, and she took 250 grand from them.
Oh, they don't have enough money.
Cut it out.
But also waste 250 grand on a fucking speech.
Siri, Google search how to make a bomb.
joe rogan
Hey, Siri.
ari shaffir
That's so ridiculous.
joe rogan
So ridiculous that you can get paid that much.
It's not like she's Pink Floyd.
If you've got a birthday party and you want to hire Pink Floyd to play for your corporate event, you've got to pay a quarter million bucks and it's going to be an awesome show.
You know, they bring lasers.
ari shaffir
Who'd you see at a small show once?
Did you see the guy who just died at a small show in Vegas once?
joe rogan
Which guy that just died?
STP? Oh yeah, Stone Temple Pilots.
I've talked about it a few times.
ari shaffir
That must have been cool.
joe rogan
That was Dana White's birthday.
They hired the Stone Temple Pilots for Dana White's 40th birthday.
ari shaffir
Damn, cool.
joe rogan
I was like, damn.
That's like long cash.
ari shaffir
That's long cash.
You could do that?
joe rogan
He was awesome.
ari shaffir
Ricky Schroeder hiring Menudo?
joe rogan
He was going nutty backstage.
Like backstage, he was...
ari shaffir
Who was?
joe rogan
Scott.
What is his name?
ari shaffir
Weiland?
joe rogan
Yeah, Scott Weiland.
ari shaffir
What do you mean nutty?
joe rogan
Nutty, like crazy demands.
We don't...
Start in five minutes, we're fucking out of here.
He was a high-strung dude.
He wasn't an easy guy.
But when he went on that fucking stage, you understood.
You understood, like, maybe you have to be that crazy to be that goddamn good.
Because when they started that show, and when he went through that set...
There's a few hundred people in the room, and he did it like there's 50,000 people at a stadium that are freaking the fuck out.
ari shaffir
He went for it.
joe rogan
He smashed it.
ari shaffir
Hell yes.
joe rogan
Smashed it.
ari shaffir
Hell yes.
It was amazing.
I like that when an artist is just fucking, yeah, I'm giving it my all.
joe rogan
I wanted to run out of there and run back to my hotel room and write.
ari shaffir
Write after that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, you see a guy like that, and you're like, oh my god, he's just...
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He just was...
It was flawless.
Just smashed it.
ari shaffir
Like, damn.
joe rogan
Running around on stage, using that fucking megaphone.
Like, the whole deal.
That motherfucker went hard.
They were good, dude.
They were really good.
I was super impressed.
I got to introduce them.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was pretty dope.
unidentified
That's neat.
joe rogan
Like, I said happy birthday to Dana, and I brought up Stone Temple Pilots.
I'm like, this is the craziest shit ever!
And he didn't know they were there.
He didn't even know we were going.
He didn't know I was going to be there.
It was all set up.
ari shaffir
The whole party was like a surprise party.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He had no idea it was going to be what it was.
ari shaffir
And he's like, oh, that's cool, Joe.
What's going on?
Oh, what the fuck?
Some type of pilots?
joe rogan
Yeah, he didn't know.
We had to hide it.
ari shaffir
He paid for it?
It's like when your kid buys you a present?
joe rogan
Well, Zufa paid for it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
The UFC paid for it.
Yeah.
But either way, it was awesome.
ari shaffir
Daddy, I bought this for you.
I bought it for myself through you.
You were the errand, young daughter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You bought me something?
That's so sweet.
That's so sweet.
That guy was a bad motherfucker, but super troubled with the drugs.
Super troubled with the drugs.
ari shaffir
I mean, it goes back to your theory.
You don't really get to that level.
Same thing.
You don't get a fucking coke head stripper who's going to be a good mom.
You don't get somebody who's that good an artist.
I mean, a musician without some run-in with it.
joe rogan
Yep.
ari shaffir
That's the weird thing about the new guy who took over for Black Hole Sun.
Who's that?
joe rogan
Chris Cornell?
ari shaffir
Chris Cornell.
Who's that guy who took over?
That black dude?
joe rogan
Who's the new guy?
ari shaffir
Not Chris Cornell.
joe rogan
Darius Rucker?
ari shaffir
No, no, no, no, no.
No, I'm thinking the wrong guy.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
ari shaffir
Down in a Hole.
Down in a Hole.
Who's thinking of that son?
joe rogan
Alice in Chains?
ari shaffir
Alice in Chains.
Black dude took over.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, because the other guy died.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And it sounds exactly like him.
joe rogan
Oh, you can't do that.
ari shaffir
Well, that was the point.
It was like, let's have him sing the songs in the same way.
And it's all fine, but this guy's like...
joe rogan
But that's race mixing.
ari shaffir
But this guy's full of life and hope and interesting.
But then when he sings that song, Down in a Hole, you're like, oh man, you do Pilates.
I don't believe this from you.
You can sell me all the rest of the songs, but I don't believe this from you.
You know?
Like, from that guy, yeah, I believe it.
Not from that new dude.
joe rogan
Hmm, that's interesting.
ari shaffir
You're happy to have the job.
You ain't gonna fuck this up.
joe rogan
He's probably got an Asian girlfriend.
ari shaffir
Probably got an Asian girlfriend.
joe rogan
She's probably real hot.
ari shaffir
He sounds exactly like him.
joe rogan
She's probably one of those Asian girlfriends with those Mo haircuts, where it's like right above her eyebrows.
ari shaffir
Straight across.
joe rogan
Cut straight and then long.
ari shaffir
Mo haircuts.
joe rogan
Didn't Bobby Slate never joke like that?
The Chinese people say, how do they get their hair cut?
Cut it like Mo.
unidentified
No.
1980s joke.
joe rogan
I think it was Bobby Slayton.
I'm pretty sure.
But like that long, silky black hair.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got a girlfriend like that.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Right down to their ass.
They show up.
They're always in high heels.
ari shaffir
Like a hipster accessory Asian girlfriend.
joe rogan
Like an assassin.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like some super hot assassin in some Kung Fu movie.
ari shaffir
She's protecting you?
She knows moves.
joe rogan
Stupid hot with like a corset on.
ari shaffir
Why does your assassin wear a miniskirt?
Can't be the best for mobility.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And she just has a slight Asian accent.
Just slight.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
This works perfectly in English, but, like, you could hear a twinge of it.
joe rogan
And she likes chicks.
ari shaffir
I like chicks.
My master's watching.
joe rogan
She brings chicks over.
He comes back to his dressing room.
There's three other chicks in there.
Baby, we don't want to have a potty.
Come on, baby.
ari shaffir
That's what we're going to talk about, how these artists are taking stuff off Pandora.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what we started talking about.
ari shaffir
Spotify.
Spotify.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I think Black Keys took their stuff down.
You can only have our old stuff, nothing new.
Because they're like, you're not really paying us well enough.
You're only giving us access to new people.
So for a young comedian, people discover me from Pandora and Spotify, for sure.
You know?
But...
For someone who brings them money, then it's like, at this point, you should pay these people.
And really pay everybody a fair amount.
joe rogan
It's a great service.
Having something like Pandora or Spotify is great.
It's awesome.
Just to be able to...
ari shaffir
You don't have to illegally download anymore.
You just pretty much get...
But that's only on the idea that everything's going to be available.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, here's the problem.
Is anybody making money off of it?
ari shaffir
Of Spotify?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You mean is Spotify making money?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Ten bucks a month subscriptions?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
And they do pay some, and they have to pay every artist in the world.
joe rogan
Right, but they don't pay that much.
ari shaffir
They don't pay very much.
joe rogan
No.
See, it's different.
Like, streaming rights, it's different.
It's not the same as sales.
It's weird.
So, like, you can have a company that streams stuff, and, like, the rates that you get paid, there was a story about, like, the most played song on Spotify, and how much it actually generated.
How much would you guess?
ari shaffir
The most played song?
I'm thinking like a Taylor Swift kind of thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, something like that.
ari shaffir
What I guess would be fair, if it's that played on that kind of...
I mean, you'd want to make like a million bucks off that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Something along those lines.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or a few hundred thousand for a song.
Five cents a pop.
That's a really valuable thing if you're playing it millions of times.
I don't know how many times you're playing it.
ari shaffir
The guy from Kemper Van Beethoven said that.
His stuff has been played way more on that than purchases.
But then he's like, but, you know, I'll come see my shows now.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Cracker and Kemper Van Beethoven.
joe rogan
There's definitely some benefit to it as far as exposure.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
It's not all negative.
For sure not.
joe rogan
But does Taylor Swift need that exposure?
ari shaffir
Right.
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Probably not.
ari shaffir
This is what the UCB did.
They're like, we're not going to pay you because you should be honored.
They say, well, we're just barely getting by.
And then they open up two new locations after that.
joe rogan
Yeah, as soon as I found out those guys don't pay anybody, I'm like, you can suck it.
ari shaffir
I get your fucking improv troops not paying.
joe rogan
Stop it.
ari shaffir
But these are comedians.
And they go, you should be lucky.
To perform at the UCB. It's like a showcase.
I'm like, okay, maybe.
Let's just say that's true.
Let's say me as an eight-year comic, when I was an eight-year comic, I can get seen there.
Sure.
But aren't you, the UCB, lucky to have Silverman, Sarah Silverman show up and Zach Galifianakis show up?
It's not just a straight, we're all lucky to be on Spotify.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
ari shaffir
You know what I mean?
They also need the Black Keys to be able to stay relevant.
If all the top musicians, Beyonce and the Black Keys and Arcade Fire, they all go, we're all pulling out.
joe rogan
I'll actually throw Beyonce in there.
ari shaffir
Sure.
You know, keep it diverse.
For your seven black listeners, Rogan.
joe rogan
I gotta eat now.
ari shaffir
Oh, nice.
Way to go.
Yeah, then they're less a place to go for all music.
joe rogan
Right.
No, I totally agree.
ari shaffir
So, like, just pay fairly.
joe rogan
Well, we have to find out how much money are they making.
What is the most played?
jamie vernon
The most played song ever, they just had one that went over 500 million songs.
ari shaffir
500 million.
What would 500 million times five cents be?
joe rogan
I don't think you get that much.
jamie vernon
That's not how it works out, though.
Just try to figure out the math in your head a little bit.
Say there's $10 a month.
You have to have a payment to take care of the service itself.
So they say that 30% fee goes to Spotify.
So there's a roughly 70% less of $7 left out of that $10.
So it's a different math.
If you play a song, one song, or if I listen to only Ari Shafir 10 times a day, 30 days a month, you would technically get all of my $7.
Technically.
But it doesn't necessarily work out that way, because if I played one Joe Rogan song, he's going to get a little piece of that too.
But not everyone just listens to one person.
You listen to 25 songs a day, or in one hour even.
ari shaffir
Right, and a lot of times people just let it play and they leave.
jamie vernon
Some people have set some things up like that, where they've tried to game the system, where they've tried to play someone's song, a new artist, multiple times to try to get them some money.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
It doesn't necessarily work out totally well for them that way either.
But there's just not a lot of money in it in general.
There's not a lot of sales for music in total.
A big band I like, The Deftones.
They have a new album coming out soon.
They just announced a concert in LA. If you buy a ticket to their show, you get their album for free.
joe rogan
The Deftones...
jamie vernon
They've been out for a long time.
ari shaffir
If you buy a ticket to their show, you get the album for free.
That's how Arcade Fire did it.
But the show was $250.
jamie vernon
But I'm going to get the album anyway.
I'm going to be able to listen to all those songs on YouTube, on Spotify, Pandora.
joe rogan
They've been around forever.
They're pretty badass.
They've got some badass songs.
ari shaffir
Can you tell me about 500 million times five senses?
joe rogan
No, but it's not...
ari shaffir
I can't fucking figure this out on my flip phone calculator.
joe rogan
It's definitely not how it works, though.
What are you saying?
ari shaffir
I just want to know what it would be on radio plays.
jamie vernon
I'll plug it up.
ari shaffir
I'm not mad at you.
joe rogan
So what is the most downloaded song?
jamie vernon
Well, that was an Ed Sheeran song, Thinking Out Loud, I think is what it's called, 500 Million.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
The article compared it to a YouTube where they have over 10 songs that have over a billion plays on YouTube.
ari shaffir
And how much would those pay on YouTube?
jamie vernon
YouTube gets money because there's ads next to these things.
So they're getting money from the ads, not from people using the service.
joe rogan
Not from a subscriber.
jamie vernon
And they've started YouTube Red to try to compete with that kind of thing, which is like $9.99 a month stream service thing like that, too.
joe rogan
Huh.
It's interesting.
So there's really probably not that much money that's even left over for the artists out of that $7.
jamie vernon
That's kind of their argument, and that people are just...
joe rogan
That's a good argument.
jamie vernon
There's not a lot of money around in general for it all.
joe rogan
Right, but don't they have like, what is it called, an IPO? You sell it, initial public offering?
Do they do stuff like that with these kind of companies, and they sell them, and then tech sector gobbles them up in the stock market?
jamie vernon
$250,000, Ari, by the way.
ari shaffir
$250,000?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Okay, thank you.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's multiple ways.
That's why I was trying to say there's deals you can have.
So like Spotify or Apple Music could pay Drake for his new album to come out exclusively on Apple Music.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
And that's the only way you can get it.
That's what Kanye is sort of trying to do with Tidal right now.
ari shaffir
Exclusively.
jamie vernon
Exclusively.
ari shaffir
So it's like, we have it, no one else has it.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And then, you're like, well, this is the only way I can get this new thing.
I gotta get Amazon Prime, or I gotta get Apple Play, or I gotta get this.
Which I don't like that, because everyone has their own gaming system.
It sucks when it only comes out only on Xbox.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
It's like, come on, man.
We're not gonna fucking buy a PlayStation.
We already have an Xbox.
joe rogan
Some people that use Android phones, like my friend Lewis from Unbox Therapy, he was telling me that he avoids using iTunes.
We were having this conversation, I was asking him about phones today, because there was a thread on my message board where people getting mad at Brian for talking shit about the Samsung Galaxy S7, and that he was going to switch over to it, but I know he switches over to different phones like every couple months and writes stories about it.
Why?
This guy Lewis.
Unbox Therapy is a website where he's got a YouTube channel and a website, but what he does is he reviews tech stuff.
He takes it out of the box and tries it, and he talks about it, and he knows a lot of shit about technology.
So when he describes these things, he's describing it from a very educated point of view.
And then he takes that phone, and he's like, okay, I'm going to use this as my main phone for a month or something like that.
ari shaffir
Not just a day, but really say, oh, fuck, I didn't realize this problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, tell you what's annoying, what's not.
And he said he doesn't, even though he uses, like, Mac computers, he doesn't use iTunes because iTunes is specific to one platform, and that's annoying.
ari shaffir
What do you mean specific to one platform?
joe rogan
Well, you can't get iTunes, like, if you want to use, like, you want to watch movies and shit like that.
I don't think you can necessarily do that on an Android phone.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
A lot of people, when I tweet my podcast, they go, don't give me the iTunes link.
I can't use that.
I want Android.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's like 55% of downloaders use iTunes, but 45% don't.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's the most important one, but it doesn't mean it's the only one.
joe rogan
It's not.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's easy to use other apps.
ari shaffir
They take 30% of your income, too.
So if you sell an album for $10, iTunes gets $3 of that.
joe rogan
Right, but that's not relevant in podcasting.
ari shaffir
No, not in podcasting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But in, like, music and sales and stuff.
joe rogan
Right.
In record sales, it's a big deal.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a big deal.
But they do provide that same sort of service.
It seems like if they take 30%, it's probably similar to how Spotify's talking about.
I mean, they're providing a distribution platform.
ari shaffir
Yeah, iTunes never goes down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They're keeping it up.
joe rogan
And it's a secure, stable platform.
The application that comes with your iPhone, you're not going to get any better than that.
I've had podcast apps that I did.
ari shaffir
Also, Spotify is free for most people.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You just have to listen to an ad, so then they get ad revenue.
Okay.
Sorry, go ahead.
joe rogan
They had ad revenue, and then you could also subscribe if you like.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they get rid of the ads.
joe rogan
And they get rid of the ads.
ari shaffir
And now we can still make money off you.
We don't have to get the ads every 10 minutes.
joe rogan
So Apple does that now too.
They have a streaming music site service.
So what Lewis was saying is he uses Amazon Prime and Google Play because they're not platform specific.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Yusuf tweeted a link to a new song, Grimes, or something.
And he was like, but he put the Apple Play one, and you click on it, and you're like, but now I have to pay for Apple Play to play it.
And it's like, I have to sign up for a thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's annoying.
Like, when you go to a website to read an article, and they say they need your email address first.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like, alright, now I'm out, I'm out.
joe rogan
Fuck you, fuck you.
ari shaffir
David Taylor's theory is that that's why anyone still has Hotmail.
It's for your, like, sure, here's my email address.
Go ahead, use that one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's just a spam filter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, just for, like, a website that you don't give a fuck about.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
An email address that you, just a burner email address.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think the future is in getting people to pay for shit.
I think it's super hard to get people to pay for shit.
ari shaffir
Pay for shit.
Well, it's the online...
I talked to Aubrey about this a long time ago.
And if you're a store, you know, and you're buying two shirts, you know, and then you're in line right there.
Like, you were at Starbucks yesterday, and you see these pad chargers.
Like, how much is it?
Like, ten bucks.
Like, oh, maybe I'll get one.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
You already got your wallet open.
And that was actually more than we were spending on coffee.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But I didn't buy it.
ari shaffir
You didn't buy it.
But it wouldn't be the biggest deal if you did.
Maybe it's a bad example.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
But if they're like, hey, would you also like this, some socks?
Yeah, sure, I'll get some socks, too.
But to open up your e-wallet is like a way bigger deal.
Even a 99-cent app, a lot of people go like, well, let me read the reviews.
You know, let me look if this is a good app.
You know what I'm talking about.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's strange, though, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
For $1, you're way less likely to spend it online than $10 in a store.
It's just hard to get people to actually open up that e-wallet.
And same thing with email addresses where it's like, I don't want to sign up for this stuff, man.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of times you don't have an e-wallet either.
A lot of times you're just entering in all the individual credit card information every time.
ari shaffir
No, that's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
Like to open up your, to pay anything online.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
But, you know, Apple has an e-wallet.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
They have a wallet feature, yeah.
Wallet, you can actually buy things with your phone.
ari shaffir
Oh, that stuff now.
joe rogan
But they came out with that first.
It was Android, right?
Android Pay was first.
ari shaffir
And then Apple Pay took over.
joe rogan
Whatever the fuck Android calls it.
What do they call it?
I don't know.
But they've been doing that on some phones for a while.
I've seen people buy shit and it's annoying as fuck when you're behind them because it doesn't work.
Have you ever seen that?
When they do that at Starbucks?
Try to scan it, it fucking doesn't work.
It's so annoying.
Yeah, just stop.
ari shaffir
It's as annoying when you're in the middle of a conversation.
Someone's like, can I get a picture?
And you're like, sure.
And then they're like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Let me figure out.
Oh, I gotta delete some pictures.
joe rogan
Oh, it's the worst.
And then a line forms.
What were you gonna say, Jamie?
jamie vernon
That Disney armband?
I haven't been to Disney in a long time, but I've heard some things about this recently.
There's some sort of like wristband.
ari shaffir
You can get a wristband for your kids.
jamie vernon
When you go there, when you use it to pay for everything at Disney.
ari shaffir
So you don't take your wallet out.
jamie vernon
It's all transactions.
It's getting on your rides.
It's your FastPass.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's all there.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
And it's the technology in it, I've heard, is going to I bleed into some other places, too.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
You just got to set up a perfect experience for you, too.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the reasons why I'm resisting this Apple Watch thing that Redband has.
It chimes off every hour.
He couldn't figure out how to shut it.
When people send him text messages, it would chime.
And he couldn't figure out how to shut it off.
ari shaffir
Redband couldn't figure it out?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
That means it's hard to figure out.
joe rogan
It's bad.
It's not good, right?
He's like, how does it shut off?
I'm like, I don't want my fucking...
Because that's where it's going to go, man.
And then that thing is going to be used to buy things.
Then someone's going to come stand next to you and steal all your fucking credit card information off your phone.
They already know how to do that.
There's already a way.
Well, it won't work with Ari Shafir, ladies and gentlemen.
You know why?
Because Ari Shafir has a flip phone.
ari shaffir
I told it to Burr once.
We were having this conversation.
He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cancer the dick.
I'll tell you that.
The new ones don't give you the cancer of the dick.
joe rogan
I don't think he's correct.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think it's probably exactly the same amount of radiation.
What were you showing us?
jamie vernon
That was the Disney Magic Band is what it's called.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So it's like a Fitbit.
Is it that kind of a thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but there's a lot of extra things in it.
It's not just...
joe rogan
Unlock the door of your hotel room.
jamie vernon
Yep.
So it's your key for your car.
What if you lose it?
ari shaffir
I'm sure they've thought about that, though.
It's not like nobody said, well, what if somebody loses it?
But they probably don't know what your room is unless you're going to go up and down the fucking hallways.
joe rogan
Just trying doors.
Just try every door.
ari shaffir
Dude, I went in Indianapolis.
I went to a room.
I went in there, tried the key, opened it up, and there's just some guy staring at me from in the bed.
joe rogan
They gave you the wrong key?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Just some Asian dude staring.
And I'm like, sir?
Oh, it was weird.
joe rogan
Morons.
Morons.
That's happened to me before.
ari shaffir
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So anyway, so they want you to put your podcast on Spotify.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have podcasts on there now.
And I have resisted.
I just don't know if it's a...
ari shaffir
I mean, you're a precedent setter at some point.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if it's necessarily beneficial.
I mean, I guess more people would be able to have access to it, but I don't know.
Do they edit it?
Do they put ads in it?
jamie vernon
I don't know about that.
They are expanding.
Now, there's some shows you can watch on there, and there's some video aspect coming through there.
joe rogan
I like the fact that it's available as a regular MP3 and you can do whatever the fuck you want to do with it.
You can watch it while it's live on YouTube.
You can watch it later or you can just download it.
And if you want to download it through iTunes, go ahead.
If you want to download it through Spotify, that seems like a different thing because that's like a service.
It's like a new company.
It's like then you're selling content.
You're like a content provider, right?
ari shaffir
Spotify would become that.
joe rogan
And that's what they are.
They're content providers, but they don't create.
They're not content creators.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
They probably will eventually.
joe rogan
Like Netflix.
Right.
Maybe.
ari shaffir
Netflix is like, well, if anyone could just get all the videos, then we have to do something.
Netflix is constantly stepped up.
joe rogan
Constantly.
ari shaffir
I mean, from dropshipping.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You know, CD videos, DVROMs or whatever.
joe rogan
Freak to streaming.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and then they go, uh, no, we're done with that.
Blockbuster, we put you out of business and this isn't where people are downloading stuff too much.
So we'll still do that a little bit, but let's just get all, every pretty much entertainment, every documentary, every old sitcom, let's just get it all on our thing so you can come to us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then other people start going, well, why can't we just do that?
You know, Apple TV made the Apple TV. Apple made the Apple TV. And then FX and people are like, let's pull this stuff back.
Let's make it on our own app.
You can come to our app to watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So Netflix sees that and we need a reason for you to come to us.
Let's make House of Cards.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Let's make these interesting, cool shows with no TV standards they have to abide by.
joe rogan
Like F is for Family.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
When you see a hard curse, a hard fuck you by a cartoon, you're like, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's like, oh my god.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not only that, they can do whatever nudity they want.
ari shaffir
Whatever they want.
joe rogan
Any content they want.
Whatever they want to talk about.
ari shaffir
It's up to them with the rating system they want to put on.
If they want to tell you, like, hey, be careful of this, or if they don't want to tell you, it's up to you.
joe rogan
Go fuck yourself.
Figure it out, kid.
They don't have to Megyn Kelly you.
ari shaffir
Megyn Kelly.
joe rogan
Tell you the Santa Claus.
Santa Claus is real kids, and he's white.
This is 2000-whatever fuck it was when this happened.
15?
Was that a 15-story, I think?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Stop.
We can't do this anymore.
ari shaffir
By the way, I'll be in Tempe, Arizona this Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
joe rogan
Smooth operator.
I like how you work it in.
Tempe, Arizona, the home of my first Netflix special.
ari shaffir
The improv.
joe rogan
I recorded that there in 2005. Really?
Yeah, man.
The one where I talked about how stupid Bush was.
ari shaffir
People keep playing that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They keep playing that now with this election.
Because I said, you know, that I think what happened after you got elected a second time, they were probably sitting in the back of the room going, I think we can go down right now.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, I remember that bit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I remember that bit.
joe rogan
And then boom.
ari shaffir
You do a really good job of, like, I've told you this before, but using your voice, the way you did that in that bit was like, it was like, four years pass and they all look and they go, It's like that quiet thing, a pause mixed by quiet instead of just talking.
Like inflection, up and down inflection.
You're just really good at it.
joe rogan
Well, thank you.
I just put myself in the position of that actually happening.
That's what I try to think.
Like, what would it be like if there really was this cabal of evil billionaires that's trying to control the mindset and program the entire country, and they wanted to put a dumb person in office so they could figure out how dumb people were.
That was the premise of the joke.
There's only one way to figure out how stupid people are.
You can watch the news.
You can see what movies they buy.
But the only real way is to put a dumb person in as president and see if everybody freaks out.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if they don't freak out, it's because they're dumber than him.
They don't even know he's dumb.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that's a weird thing about being really fucking stupid.
You don't know you're stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So the only way, the premise of the bit was the only way we could really find out how stupid America was was to put a really dumb guy in as president.
And there's many, many really articulate, whip-smart Republican candidates that could easily make a great leader.
Like, well, why would they do that?
They can't find out how stupid we are if we do that.
That would be a backup plan.
Let's see if we can get the dummy in first.
And then after he won a second term, that's when the bit was like, I think we can go dumber.
ari shaffir
So now they're using that to illustrate Donald Trump or something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Man, they've made too many comparisons to presidential candidates, to Hitler.
That it's like, guys, you can't keep doing it.
You said Bush was Hitler.
joe rogan
You know what that's like?
ari shaffir
Enough!
joe rogan
It's like the hack comedy premise from hell.
ari shaffir
From hell, yeah.
joe rogan
She's like the stripper from hell!
ari shaffir
And at some point, he's like, well, hell doesn't seem that bad, to be honest.
You're overusing this.
joe rogan
But it was a really easy way to get away with, like, saying something's bad.
Like, for a long time, like in the 80s in particular, it was a knockout punch every time.
ari shaffir
It's gonna work every time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The something from hell.
I can't even believe he's saying hell!
People back there, whoa!
ari shaffir
Slow down!
Boundary pushing.
jamie vernon
On steroids.
ari shaffir
Yeah, on steroids is another one.
On crack.
unidentified
On crack.
joe rogan
On crack is another one.
ari shaffir
They're like, let's say the same thing, but say it slightly different so it seems like we're original.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
ari shaffir
It's still on in one word.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, if it's just a very minor part of what you're trying to describe, I guess it's fine to use it as a non-creative narrative or non-creative descriptive.
But when you're doing it a lot, Yeah, it's too much.
ari shaffir
Overuse.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder how much this is going to change everything.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
The way Donald Trump is running for president.
ari shaffir
Well, here's what I saw from it.
So before, I mean, I'm assuming in the Lincoln Times, you know, the candidates would just say their opinions, what they thought, and that's what the newspaper would print, and that would be the end of it.
joe rogan
They would go out and talk for hours, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sure.
Stomp and do whatever.
joe rogan
No microphones.
ari shaffir
No microphones.
Oh, yeah, no microphones.
Just get up there and talk.
Hopefully the acoustics aren't terrible.
But mostly it's probably outside.
joe rogan
People farting.
ari shaffir
Take a train to the next state to try to convince them.
joe rogan
By the time your speech is done, half the people are dead.
ari shaffir
They just died.
And then it became a thing where, like, Bill Clinton went on Arsenio Hall and he played...
joe rogan
Trumpet.
ari shaffir
Trumpet.
joe rogan
Saxophone.
ari shaffir
Saxophone.
That's what it was.
And his ratings went up like 10 points overnight.
And we're like, wait a minute.
This has nothing to do with the issues.
And so there was this mixture of showmanship and issues.
And I think Trump's theory, his thesis is, guys, I don't think your platform matters as much as the showmanship.
I think it's only showmanship.
joe rogan
Well, also, it's who else is running.
ari shaffir
Sure.
joe rogan
And what do they have to offer.
ari shaffir
Have you seen those videos Ted Cruz made?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
The commercials?
joe rogan
Yeah, when they show the outtakes.
ari shaffir
All the people hugging and stuff.
And the best is the wife.
His mom going like, she prays for me.
And she's like, mm-hmm.
And he goes, sometimes...
You know, hours a day.
And she's like, oh.
I like the look of like, I don't know about that.
Someone has hours and she goes, where are you going with this?
A day.
She goes, no.
joe rogan
Cut, cut.
Mom, mom, stick to the script.
ari shaffir
Okay?
joe rogan
You're super pious and I'm not gay.
Alright?
ari shaffir
And go.
joe rogan
The whole thing is so crazy.
ari shaffir
I think Bernie's the only one talking about shit that actually American people day to day have to deal with.
joe rogan
He's definitely talking more about social issues.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They say socialism like it's a bad word, but it's just social issues.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, but socialism isn't just social issues.
Socialism implies some sort of a community pot of money.
That we're going to distribute to people.
ari shaffir
We do that.
joe rogan
We do that now.
ari shaffir
And we use 80% of it for defense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, definitely.
ari shaffir
Which is just offense.
joe rogan
Well, that's the problem that people find with this.
The big problem that I've heard from people that actually understand it, not folks like you and me.
But people that actually understand it, they're like, the problem is it just makes government bigger.
Because what he's doing is proposing that we get more taxes from people.
And somehow or another, it's going to create more programs.
And those more programs are going to trickle down to people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But the problem is, but you take more taxes from people.
You're just giving it to the government, and then they have to be competent all of a sudden.
They've never been competent before.
Somebody on my message board brought this up, like the Department of Fish and Game that I always praise them for the conservation efforts they've done.
They've got all wildlife biologists running it.
These are like actual scientists.
ari shaffir
Not bureaucracy.
joe rogan
Yeah, they hired some really smart people who care about the environment to run these fish and wildlife Yeah.
Departments.
ari shaffir
But see, people say that would never work, and go, okay, fine, maybe.
But here's the reality.
What we have now is not working.
People are getting poorer and poorer.
joe rogan
See, wildlife biologists are very different than economists.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So when you get a wildlife biologist that's trying to manage the buffalo population, and they try to figure out, hey, we've got wolves in Yellowstone that are killing the buffalo.
We've got to figure out how to do it.
And they try to find workarounds.
They do all sorts of different things to try to maintain healthy populations.
There's no profit in that.
ari shaffir
There's no profit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
See, now, the problem with anything economic is there's all sorts of motivating factors that lead up to rules that get passed that allow these people that become president or become, you know, whatever the fuck they're doing where they're making deals with people like the bankers that are paying Hillary Clinton $250,000.
They get them into these positions and then they can profit insanely.
They get these positions and these guys go from...
There's a great documentary called Inside Job.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's all about the Wall Street collapse.
And this guy who's like this very educated financial guy is interviewing these people and picking them apart as he's interviewing them.
And you see they start to panic and they start to freak out.
And some of them going, you know, I'm going to leave one more question, then I'm going to leave.
In the beginning of the interview, they're all smiles and happy.
And these are economists.
And he finds out that these guys who are economy professors went on to get jobs with these banks.
So they set these rules like, well, we've just checked with the blah, blah, blah university economics department, and they recommend this, that, and that.
ari shaffir
And they're doing that so they can get these payments.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And so they move into cushy jobs where they get paid millions of dollars once they leave these government positions or these teaching positions.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Very, very fascinating stuff because it shows there's motivation.
And as soon as there's motivation for profit, everything gets squirrely.
ari shaffir
So Clinton can say all day- Hey, we'd love you to prove this and here's some cash.
I'm like, well, I'll try to.
joe rogan
Clinton can say all day that they don't influence her.
Well, then they don't take a quarter million dollars to talk.
ari shaffir
That's not human nature.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't take that much money to talk.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I do know.
Neither one of us really understand it, but I don't see Bernie as a guy who's like, let's just get my money.
I'm sure it'll work out.
That's not a bad impression.
joe rogan
It's not bad.
ari shaffir
It's really trying to.
It's not bad.
unidentified
I would like Mrs. Clinton to tell us where are those transcripts?
ari shaffir
But I think they have that thought out.
joe rogan
Well, it's tricky, man.
When you have a lot of money like that, hundreds of thousands of dollars that someone's paying you, so you talk for an hour.
That is absurd.
ari shaffir
That's absurd.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
ari shaffir
And they have transcripts of it.
joe rogan
I guess.
ari shaffir
And they won't show them.
joe rogan
She won't release them.
The whole thing is very bizarre.
ari shaffir
She hides shit, right?
That's her normal thing.
She hides emails.
She's like, oh, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to use regular emails for this stuff.
And, oh, you guys aren't allowed to FOI that?
joe rogan
Well, here's one of the things that...
Mike Baker was talking to me about and he's a former CIA operative.
He's been on the show before.
He runs a security company now.
And he said, if that was me, what she did, he goes, I would be in jail.
If I did what she did.
ari shaffir
Using private emails?
joe rogan
Using a private email address and sending top secret information through that email address, he goes, I'd be in jail.
He's like, she had an email server in her bathroom.
Not only that, but the guy who set up that email server just got immunity from federal prosecution.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
So she's already in this protected group of people that were like, we can pretty much do whatever we want.
joe rogan
It's squirrelsville, man.
unidentified
Squirrely.
joe rogan
The whole thing's squirrely.
Like, they're not even...
She's in the middle, running for president.
She's at the lead of the Democratic nomination, and she's involved in two criminal investigations.
ari shaffir
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And they're just like, let's just not talk about that.
joe rogan
Well, it's like, this is all they have.
And when this is all they have, I mean, there's no one else.
Who the fuck else is there?
There's Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, period.
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it on the Democratic side.
We haven't heard a peep of anybody else since.
ari shaffir
Right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Who else?
Everybody's gone.
unidentified
They're all gone.
ari shaffir
It's just the last two, yeah.
joe rogan
It's just them.
So, it's one of those things where everybody's shutting the fuck up because they think they have to.
This is the last gasps of a dying system.
This is the last gasps of a ridiculous dying system that is set up because- The system is fighting back.
ari shaffir
The system is fighting back to survive.
joe rogan
But the system was set up back when people wrote with feathers.
ari shaffir
When we had Congress, because I couldn't afford to travel from Nashville all the way up to Washington to hear my stuff.
So we have our Congress goes for us.
They speak for us.
But now we have email and phones.
We don't need you to go there for us.
Why do you have a job?
joe rogan
It needs to be restructured.
ari shaffir
Restructured.
New Constitution.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it needs to be restructured to represent the technology and the access to people that's available today.
Because government should be...
People should have to have some level of education to understand the parameters of what they're talking about, what they're voting on.
ari shaffir
Yeah, we don't even understand.
We're not even getting the information.
Dude, there's so much waste.
Our government has got a virus, and it's not being cured.
I talked to these guys who were defense contractors, worked for defense contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, and one of them had been in the military before.
They'd both been in the military.
When they need a new printer cartridge, They don't order printer cartridges.
They order a new printer.
Take out the printer cartridge and shred the new printer.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And there's no repercussions for that.
joe rogan
Why do they do that?
ari shaffir
It's easier to order it that way.
What?
There's no reason for it, man.
It's all fucking wasteful.
joe rogan
Were these guys high as fuck when they were telling you this?
ari shaffir
No, they weren't.
joe rogan
Like, dude, he's going to go on a podcast.
He's going to talk about this.
ari shaffir
I'm too high to remember the specific details.
But that's one of them.
And it's like, dude...
It's just this bureaucracy.
It's just corrupted.
And the government's in it now.
It's like, I don't know, Obama.
He just won't talk about...
He's done some great shit.
But he just won't talk about the drone strikes.
About wedding parties in Yemen, where we're not even at war with.
Just killing random people.
And our official quote is like, let's just not talk about it.
But gay marriage is legalized.
And that's, yeah, man, that's great.
You can't just murder people.
More people have died under drone strikes under him than Bush.
Way more.
joe rogan
Well, there's more drones now.
They're way better, too.
ari shaffir
Still killing innocents, and we're just not talking about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I mean, they can arrest people now and never try them.
joe rogan
Well, they've also...
ari shaffir
The NSA has more power than they've ever had, because Feinstein just restructured it.
joe rogan
They also used to shoot at metadata.
I don't know if they still do that, but they used to shoot where a phone is.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
So if you're a real bad guy and you're hanging out in an apartment building and your phone happens to be there, that's what they're shooting at.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
Shooting missiles at that phone, hoping they're going to get you.
ari shaffir
Somebody else has the phone, and it's like, well, it's acceptable casualties.
joe rogan
Did you let the kid play with the phone in the bedroom?
Oh, we took that bedroom out.
ari shaffir
Now, if that was Americans, we wouldn't do that, because we value American lives, or innocent lives over innocent.
You get many lives.
joe rogan
Well, it's just way more convenient when they don't look like us, they don't talk like us, and they dress weird.
It's way more convenient to light them up with rockets.
ari shaffir
This is why the British were smart when they colonized Africa.
They put East Indian people, Indians from India, they put them in charge.
So the Africans hated the oppressors, hated people who, you know, dominated and conquered them.
No one likes being conquered.
It's just not a thing people enjoy.
joe rogan
I know a couple girls are in that.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And so their face of who they hated were these Indians who also had been conquered and moved over there.
So there's really no terrorism on British soil from the African militants because they don't hate that white face.
joe rogan
Well, if we went to war with, say, Russia today, they look just like us.
ari shaffir
Just like us.
It'd be harder.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Luckily, they wear coats.
joe rogan
Maybe we'd find out that the government's photoshopping their faces.
Stretching them out.
ari shaffir
Make them look weird.
joe rogan
Make them look more like...
ari shaffir
Look at those oval heads.
joe rogan
Yeah, what is that?
Ruslan Pravodnikov is one of the top boxers in...
I think he's 154, 147?
ari shaffir
147, come on, man.
joe rogan
Pravodnikov, he's an animal.
He's an animal.
Oh, yeah.
They call him the Siberian something or the Siberian Express.
ari shaffir
He's got Ovalhead?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Am I saying his first name wrong?
Yeah.
He takes unbelievable amounts of punishment.
This is what he looks like.
But look at him.
See?
He looks just foreign enough.
You know what that is like?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
He's got some Asian in him.
He's that part of Russia.
joe rogan
I think he's got Mongolian in him.
ari shaffir
Mongolian, yeah.
joe rogan
That's probably why he's such a fucking warrior.
He's probably descendant of Genghis Khan or some shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he didn't look Russian.
joe rogan
Well, the Mongols conquered Russia for like 200 years.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The Mongols came in in the winter in Russia unexpectedly and fucking took over.
ari shaffir
He looks like Toby, the front bartender.
joe rogan
A little bit.
That's funny.
That guy's an animal, man.
He's a fucking animal.
He's fun to watch.
He's super aggressive.
ari shaffir
So let's talk about this rematch.
joe rogan
Which one?
Nate Diaz and Conor McGregor?
ari shaffir
What are they fighting at?
55?
joe rogan
I do not know.
I don't think that's been solidified.
I believe that Conor has asked for it to take place at 70, which is where he was.
ari shaffir
So he can say, like, I can do this?
joe rogan
Exactly the same weight, and then it won't be a factor.
But also, I think he was really healthy at 170, and I think he liked that.
unidentified
Who was?
joe rogan
Conor.
I think he felt great leading up to the camp and leading up to the fight.
He just had a bad game plan, and his ground game kind of got exposed.
ari shaffir
Two weight classes above where he won a title?
joe rogan
It's not two weight classes.
It's not true.
First of all, they both weighed in almost exactly the same weight.
ari shaffir
No.
Two weight classes above where he won his title.
joe rogan
Yes, but not really.
All it is, is they're not cutting weight.
But he's not fighting Damian Maia, who used to fight at 205 or 185, and he's cutting down to 170. At least it's not title shots, where it's like, you don't deserve a title shot on two weight classes above you.
ari shaffir
It's just a Nate Diaz fight.
joe rogan
Well, this isn't a title shot.
ari shaffir
I'm saying at least it's not.
joe rogan
Well, you know the whole story behind it.
There was a fallout.
Rafael Dos Anjos, who's the lightweight champion, was supposed to be fighting Conor McGregor.
He breaks his foot 11 days before the fight.
Nate Diaz takes the fight on a drop of a hat with no training whatsoever.
I mean, fucking none.
He hadn't done anything.
ari shaffir
He was at the store.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was hanging.
ari shaffir
Hanging out.
joe rogan
And Nate posted pictures afterwards of him drinking tequila and hanging out in Mexico eating tacos and shit.
So he was just having a party.
ari shaffir
Two on nine, bitch!
joe rogan
He's just living his life, right?
But he's in such good shape that he can get away with that because he does so much triathlon training.
He's constantly biking and swimming and running.
He's entered into a bunch of triathlons.
He's in very good shape.
And so he was able to pull it off because his cardio base was so good.
And just, he's a fucking damn good fighter.
He's a damn good fighter.
ari shaffir
And exciting, too.
joe rogan
And he's fought legitimately at 170 twice.
He lost.
He lost to Stun Gun Kim, and he also lost to Rory McDonald at 170. These are legitimate 170s, and Rory being one of the best 170s in the world.
He got ragdolled a little bit by Rory, but that was a wake-up call for him.
He went back to 155, and at 155, in his last fight against Michael Johnson, he put on probably the best performance up to the Conor McGregor fight, the best performance of his career.
unidentified
He was fucking sensational.
So why didn't I say 155?
ari shaffir
Because when I view Nate Diaz, I think of him as a 55er.
joe rogan
That's what he usually competes at.
But for this fight, he didn't want to have to cut weight.
It's only 11 days out.
He's a little heavy.
So he says, look, let's make it at 170. They both agree.
Nate weighed 169. Connor weighed 168. Or maybe vice versa.
I think that's it, though.
So, I mean, they're basically the same size.
ari shaffir
What would they fight at?
joe rogan
Well, they fought at 170. What do you mean?
ari shaffir
I mean, when Nate said, I'll fight at 170, where was he walking at?
joe rogan
Probably a little heavier than that.
He probably dieted and worked out real hard for seven or eight days of the eleven.
Tapered off the last couple.
No, Connor didn't have to cut anything.
I mean, if he cut anything, it's probably a couple pounds, which is nothing.
ari shaffir
Ten pounds difference, let's say.
Not a big deal.
joe rogan
That happens at 170. But there's not even ten pounds difference.
They're the same weight.
When they got into the octagon, I guarantee you they're within a pound or two of each other.
ari shaffir
In the octagon?
Yes.
joe rogan
Nate is longer and taller, and he's a very good boxer.
Nate spars on a regular basis with Andre Ward, who is one of the best pound-for-pound, if not the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world, now that Floyd Mayweather's quote-unquote retired.
Andre Ward is a motherfucker.
And he just fought this Saturday night on HBO, and I just watched it the other day on DVR. It's fucking amazing.
He's so good, dude.
He's just nasty.
And now he's fighting at 175. He's going to fight Sergey Kovalev, who's like the best 175er in the world.
ari shaffir
So he fought with him?
joe rogan
So Nate spars with that guy on a regular basis.
They're friends.
And Nate also spars his brother Nick, who's one of the best strikers in the UFC. Definitely one of the best boxers.
He's a very good boxer.
And he also spars with Joe Schilling all the time.
Who is Glory World Champion, kickboxing world champion.
He's a motherfucker, man.
So Nate is sparring with high-level, world-class strikers, like legitimate.
Andre Ward, Joe Schilling.
Two world champions in two respective disciplines.
So he's a bad motherfucker.
I just think that people see him swearing and sticking up his double fingers and they don't realize.
Put all that shit aside and observe his movements.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Observe his movements in a fight.
Like in the Michael Johnson fight.
In the Gomi fight.
In the Marcus Davis fight.
In the Gray Maynard fight.
Observe his movements.
He's a motherfucker, dude.
When he tees off on you, he comes at you like a snake.
He's got long ass on.
ari shaffir
Was that the Cerrone fight where it was the most connections of all time?
Where it was like 80% of his strikes hit?
joe rogan
In the first round, he lit Donald up.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was like, what the fuck?
Nothing missed.
joe rogan
He lit Donald up.
He fucked Donald up in that first round.
ari shaffir
Four or five years ago, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Donald started coming back with leg kicks.
The only guy who's ever really successfully put him away in the UFC was Josh Thompson.
Josh Thompson is one of the most underrated guys.
Josh Thompson, when he was at his best, left to go over to Strikeforce, and a lot of people missed out on some of the fucking wars that he had over there.
The Gilbert Melendez fights over there, and he went through a lot of wear and tear on you.
But, like, skill for skill, Josh Thompson is a motherfucker, but now he's, like, 36, and time just starts to get everybody, but at his best, and I think that, like, his last fight with Nate Diaz, when he head kicked him, he stopped him, was one of, like, his best performances ever.
And then he had some losses after that, but again, it's like, It's hard to stay healthy and get through a camp when you're 36 years old.
When those guys get to the late 30s, things start to get...
So he has one loss.
But the loss, in my opinion...
I mean, one stoppage loss.
But the loss to Thompson is like...
He's one of the most underrated guys.
ari shaffir
So it's like a solid loss.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
It doesn't get looked at as solid as it should be.
I think Thompson, at his best, he's a motherfucker.
ari shaffir
Okay, so let's say he's a natural 170-er.
Let's say he wants to fight the Conor.
But he's not.
joe rogan
He's not.
He just wants to fight this fight at 170. To prove his point that he can win it?
To prove a point, to fight exactly the way they did it before, and to come in and fight in a better...
Is this what happened?
ari shaffir
If they're going to do that, in the meantime, they should let Frankie and Aldo fight for a title.
joe rogan
I agree with that.
ari shaffir
How long are you going to vacate the belt that you haven't defended once?
joe rogan
Max Holloway should be in the mix as well.
I think they also offered Aldo a shot at McGregor, and he didn't take it.
ari shaffir
That could be a Brazilian thing, if you know what I mean.
joe rogan
What are you saying, steroids?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like how you made the injection heroin.
unidentified
They still do that?
ari shaffir
They still do that?
joe rogan
Can I picture it?
I would say it was more like he's just unprepared and out of shape and didn't want to get knocked out again.
I mean, the guy just knocked him out with one fucking punch a couple of months ago.
ari shaffir
I remember a guy, but I mean, he's like, give me that rematch, give me that rematch.
joe rogan
See, but he didn't know.
See, he didn't know that Conor was going to get worked.
When Conor got worked by Nate Diaz, it changed the whole game.
ari shaffir
He's like, oh, I can beat this guy.
joe rogan
Everything changed, man.
Everything changed.
In everyone's approach to him, when you watch a guy get beat up and strangled like that, you got to pee again?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it, man But my point is for the folks listening when you watch a guy get beat up like Connor got beat up against Nate and He shoots for a takedown and then gets taken down Nate gets on top of him beats him up and then chokes him a taps real quick Like Nate just dominated him once it got to the ground.
He was already hurt when it got to the ground Then everybody goes hmm, okay Could Rafael Dos Anjos do this?
And for a guy like Conor, I think one of the reasons why he wants this fight back is to prove that he fucked up.
That he tried to take Nate out with big power bombs, he gassed out, he got tired, and then Nate boxed him up in the second round.
Nate started tagging him, had him hurt, had him shoot for a takedown.
So...
A guy like Conor, you don't get to be that good.
You don't get to be that far.
You don't get to be that successful.
You don't get to knock out Aldo with one punch and beat the fuck out of Poirier in the first round like you called it and beat the shit out of Seaver and stop Chad Mendes when you wanted to bet millions of dollars on it.
I mean, he's a legit 100% motherfucker.
The game does not care about personalities.
The game does not care about confidence.
ari shaffir
It sure doesn't, huh?
joe rogan
The interaction of fists and face and chokes and necks and kicks and bodies, it does not care about anything other than what works.
So when you see a loss, like a Ronda Rousey getting knocked the fuck out by Holly Holm, It does not mean that Ronda Rousey sucks.
It does not mean that Holly Holm is the greatest ever.
It just means the game doesn't give a fuck who you are.
It doesn't care.
You want to charge face first at a counter striker, and she clips you with that first punch, you're already at check.
You're already at check.
You got rocked like the first punch, and then you're getting beat up for four and a half minutes after that, and then the second round comes around.
You don't even know where the fuck you are.
Your ears are going, You can't see.
Your fucking eyes are blurry.
ari shaffir
That must be so weird.
joe rogan
Terrifying.
ari shaffir
That's what I love about UFC as opposed to boxing.
Nobody goes 29-0.
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
I mean, if you go six in a row, that's like, wow.
joe rogan
That's why Jon Jones is so spooky.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody's beaten Jon Jones.
Jon Jones has one loss, and it's a disqualification against Matt Hamill, where he was crushing him on top of him.
And it's a dumb rule.
It's like 12 to 6 elbows on a clock face.
If you drop an elbow down from 12 to 6, the people that made the rules thought that that somehow or another was dangerous.
It's no different than any other kind of elbow.
ari shaffir
Is it still a rule?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a stupid rule.
It's a rule that they put in place because the people that were on the commission, this is coming from Big John McCarthy himself, the people that were on the commission at the time, they thought that if you dropped a 12-6 elbow like those ESPN karate shows, you could break bricks and shit, you could kill somebody.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
So, they...
They made it illegal.
Meanwhile, it's not even 12 to 6. It's like 1 to 7. It's stupid.
It's stupid.
ari shaffir
I can't wait for him to come back and fight again.
joe rogan
It's really almost never 12 to 6. It's always a slight angle.
But either way, it's fucking dumb.
It's a dumb rule.
It doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
By the way, we have Nate Diaz calling into our sports podcast, Punch Drunk Sports.
joe rogan
Oh, do you really?
ari shaffir
Well, fake Nate Diaz.
Oh.
joe rogan
Fake.
ari shaffir
They always call in.
joe rogan
I'm glad you had a fake one.
How good are they?
ari shaffir
The fake ones?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Amazing.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
The accents are great, and they talk about the 209 so much.
They're always talking about they're going pontoon boat shopping.
Man, you got to hear them, man.
They're great.
It's Danish and O'Neill, and they're so fucking good at it.
For a while, they were dating Ronda Rousey, and GSP was all upset about it because he wanted to date Ronda Rousey, and they catfished him and buried him in a refrigerator box in the desert, and he got out.
And now GSP's addicted to kitty litter.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
Kitty litter and computer spray.
He's got all these addictions.
Talking to the aliens all the time.
They told me I missed two minutes of my life.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
Is that on YouTube anywhere?
ari shaffir
No, not YouTube, but punchdrunksports.com.
joe rogan
You gotta get clips.
ari shaffir
The Dailymotion ones.
I think they're all up in Dailymotion.
Yeah, we gotta clip that shit and put it on YouTube.
joe rogan
Yeah, why don't you have clips?
We just don't?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I mean, I can't give you a good reason.
joe rogan
This is the reason why I think the rematch is huge.
This is why you have to do it.
First of all, because Conor McGregor, up until that fight, is one of the most spectacular fighters ever in the history of the sport.
ari shaffir
And people are talking about him.
joe rogan
Yeah, just the spectacle.
In that sense of spectacular, the guy gets on stage and screams at the weigh-ins and the crowd goes nuts and the Irish flags everywhere.
ari shaffir
Galvanized the nation?
And I don't even know what galvanized means.
joe rogan
It means like a coating.
unidentified
Oh, great.
joe rogan
Like when you get nails so they don't rust.
Oh, okay.
He's spectacular, right?
And his results inside the octagon, other than Nate Diaz' fights, have been incredibly dramatic and amazing.
ari shaffir
Calling, exactly.
Second round, I'll get him with an uppercut and knock him out.
And then it's like, what?
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
When a guy like Nate Diaz beats you, and beats you the way he beat you...
The right thing to do is to have a rematch.
And that's why.
Because the rematch is where the big money's at.
The rematch with Nate Diaz is goddamn Scrooge McDuck, gigantic, huge, two million plus pay-per-view guys.
ari shaffir
Because it's still on the table.
Let's just say he goes to 45, then maybe 55 again.
He's always going to be like, well, I mean, Nate Diaz will beat you, you know?
joe rogan
Exactly.
Not only that, but here's the other problem.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Frankie might beat him.
Sure.
Everyone might beat him.
Max Holloway might beat him in a rematch.
Who knows?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jose Aldo might beat him now.
Now that Jose, especially Jose Aldo, if Jose Aldo comes in real healthy, you know what I'm saying?
Jose Aldo is a fucking nine-year undefeated all-time great fighter who got clipped with one big punch.
So what if Aldo fights in a similar way to how Misha Tate fought Holly Holm?
Takes his time, wears that motherfucker out in round two or three, and just stands on the outside and leg kicks the shit out of him.
If Aldo just chooses to...
I mean, Aldo was so mad, he tried to take his head off of the left hook, and he got clipped.
He loaded up and he got clipped.
But what if he doesn't do that?
What if he goes in there and plays slow on the outside and starts kicking his legs?
What if he initiates a clinch?
Because let me tell you something about Aldo's jiu-jitsu.
It's fucking world-class.
Like, you watch Aldo versus Mike Brown in the UFC, or the WEC, rather, when he won the featherweight title.
Can't get anything right.
When he won the featherweight title, dude, he takes his back like a fucking world champion and smashes him.
ari shaffir
I mean, this is what Anderson did when he was at his best, was he would get boos in the first and second round, and he's almost like, guys, would you fucking relax?
I'm about to knock this guy out.
joe rogan
Different style, though.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but I mean, it was like, I'm not going to push.
I will wait, and I will get you when it's time, and I'll continue to win.
joe rogan
Well, Anderson has a very unique style.
His style is, he's got a lot of Muay Thai, but he also has a lot of traditional martial arts as well.
Like, some of the things that he does, like the front kick to the face, the way he does it, that's a front snap kick.
It wasn't like a Muay Thai push kick or a teep.
It was like a karate style kick.
ari shaffir
I was on acid for that fight.
At the MGM, me and Diaz sitting next to each other on acid, screaming when he kicked him in the face like that.
joe rogan
Dude, that was spectacular.
That was the first time we'd ever seen a front kick to the face KO in the UFC. Vitor?
Yeah.
Yeah, Vitor.
Stunning.
So Anderson was a sniper, and what he would do is he would find your range, find your timing, and then he would unload on shit.
ari shaffir
I can go a little closer.
Okay, now I'm in my range.
joe rogan
Or, you know, with different fighters, he fought a different style.
Like with Rich Franklin, he overwhelmed him in the clinch.
Like Rich Franklin didn't have an answer to what's called a plum.
That's when a guy grabs the back of your head like this and pinches down with his forearms.
And the Muay Thai clinch, like anything else, there's levels to it.
And it's one of those things where you know how...
This is a good way to describe it.
You know how you tie your shoes?
And you tie your shoes effortlessly.
You just reach down, because you've done it your whole life.
Your pathway...
Like the neuromuscular pathway to tying your shoes is automatic.
There's certain movements that become like that.
Like when you're sparring or fighting in particular, sometimes you'll move out of the way and you're throwing a counter before you even realize you're doing it.
Like it's too fast for you to even think about.
But you've carved that path so deeply in your neuromuscular structure that when someone does this, you do that.
When you see this, you counter there.
You understand, you recognize openings without even being conscious of it.
And when a guy gets in those grooves, when you get in those grooves, it's very hard to deal with if you don't have that groove.
And Anderson had that groove when it came to that Muay Thai clinch.
You could see it, the way it was holding on to him.
ari shaffir
And pushing at you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I went to those Muay Thai fights.
joe rogan
Like Sanchai?
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
Or those Thai kickboxing fights.
And it's one of the things.
They're punching and kicking, but they do that throw.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
And it almost doesn't seem like it does that much damage.
joe rogan
Oh, it does.
ari shaffir
It does?
joe rogan
Well, it's humiliating.
ari shaffir
It's humiliating.
It seems more like that.
joe rogan
You get the wind knocked out of you.
You know, if a guy kicks your legs out from under you and slams you on your back, you're getting the wind knocked out of you.
You're injured.
You could get your shoulders injured.
You can get your ribs injured.
Your neck can get injured.
You fall the wrong way or you get knocked on the way down.
And in some organizations, you can kick them in the face on the way down, too.
ari shaffir
While they're falling.
joe rogan
So they'll throw kicks and then as you are scrambled, before the referee gets to you, they'll fucking knee you in the face as you're going down.
Even with your gloves touching the ground, it's like legal in a lot of organizations to knee or even kick you in the face.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
So you gotta be defending yourself and just say, I'll just fall all the way down.
I'm not even gonna brace myself.
joe rogan
A lot of like, Muay Thai has some crazy approaches.
ari shaffir
It's fun the way they see it, though.
joe rogan
Their clinch work is, like, one of the most underappreciated aspects of the sport.
Because everybody thinks of it as a striking sport, and it is.
But it's also a grappling sport.
Because when they tie up inside that clinch, the guys who are really good, they execute these nasty trips, and they also, the way of manipulating you into knees, like, when someone has, like, They clamp down and they know how to control your neck.
It's a very confusing feeling if you're not accustomed to it from a high-level practitioner because you get locked in.
You don't know what to do.
You start grabbing at it and then you're getting kneed in the body and then you get kneed in the chin.
ari shaffir
Kneed in the chin.
That's one of the most brutal things in MMA. And whenever the whole crowd gets behind it too and they start going, knees, knees, as soon as that clinch comes in because they all want to see it.
joe rogan
Well, Anderson need him in the face.
He's destroyed Rich Franklin's nose.
Rich Franklin had to get his nose completely reconstructed.
I mean, it was devastated after that fight.
Oh, man.
Those were...
Pull up Rich Franklin, Anderson Silva vs.
Rich Franklin 1. See if you can find that anywhere.
The KO. Anderson Silva KOs Rich Franklin in the first fight.
Because it was a master class.
No, I don't think so.
ari shaffir
No?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
ari shaffir
I was in his very first fight in the UFC. You might have been.
joe rogan
You might have been.
Yeah, pull it back though.
ari shaffir
It was definitely the rematch.
joe rogan
No, pull it back so you can see the actual knees to the face.
Before, you get him in the clinch, and there's like...
ari shaffir
Oh, you look scared.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he starts doing this.
He starts moving him around and manipulating.
See, so Rich is trying to punch him, but look how he manipulates him with these fucking knees, and the clinch just, he never lets that clinch go.
Boom!
Look at this.
He's just holding on to the back of his neck.
See how he's doing that with his left hand?
ari shaffir
Pulling him in.
joe rogan
And he's kneeing his body, and then he grabs ahold of it with two hands.
Look at this.
Boom!
Look at that.
Boom to the body.
ari shaffir
So he can toss him around.
joe rogan
Boom to the body.
And he's sliding around, and when Rich goes to punch, He's outmaneuvering him.
He's getting his shoulders in play.
So his shoulders are blocking these wide looping punches.
And then he's just leaning his hips back and forcing them to absorb these knees to the body.
And each one of them is weakening them more and more and more.
And boom!
Look at these.
Boom!
Again.
And then bam!
There's to the chin.
Boom!
And there's a combination.
He grabs them again.
Boom!
To the chin.
Boom!
To the legs.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
To the body.
And the way he's moving them and manipulating them, man, this is some high level shit.
And you just didn't, at the time, see this level of Muay Thai in MMA. It was very rare to see, at least from this position, it's a very rare position to see prolonged in an MMA fight up until this point.
So there, his nose is just shattered, and now Anderson's just moving in for the kill.
And he gets it again.
Boom!
It hits him in the temple, and that's it.
It's over.
That's it.
And his nose was destroyed.
I mean destroyed.
It was like on the other side of his head.
That's when he took the title?
Yeah, that's when he took the title.
But back it up just a little bit, Jamie.
ari shaffir
No, I wasn't at this point.
joe rogan
You can see the nose.
You can see what?
No, a little bit more.
Like right there.
Let it go right there.
Watch when he...
Look at his nose.
unidentified
It's destroyed.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's caved at the top.
There's no bridge.
There's no bridge.
joe rogan
No, it's completely smashed.
ari shaffir
Oh!
joe rogan
His nose was never the same again.
He had to get nasal reconstruction surgery, and it was a big deal, and they have to, you know, put splints on your fucking nose and build it back up.
ari shaffir
And he came back.
Fought more.
unidentified
Yes, he did.
joe rogan
He fought him again.
Fought Anderson again.
Got beat up again.
Just, I mean, he did his best.
He fought well, and he fought great fighters.
I mean, Rich Franklin had some great wars.
Vanderlei Silva in the UFC knocked out Chuck Liddell in his last fight.
ari shaffir
Later was Vanderlei, right?
Oh, Chuck was later.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Chuck was his last fight.
ari shaffir
His last fight in the UFC. Didn't he have a broken arm when he knocked out Chuck?
joe rogan
Yep.
ari shaffir
He was like, fuck it, I got one shot.
Let's go for it.
joe rogan
Chuck broke his left arm with a kick.
Chuck kicked fucking hard.
ari shaffir
There's been some good fights in that thing.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
But that was like the first time we'd seen that level of that clinch in a world championship level fight.
You'd never see anybody control someone for that long with a tie clinch.
So Anderson was responsible for a lot of innovation.
A lot of firsts.
And not necessarily innovation in that he's using pretty standard traditional techniques for that respective art form.
Like a front kick is the most standard technique ever.
But oddly enough, there was no front kick KOs until he knocked out Vitor Belfort.
ari shaffir
It's amazing when you see that and then it opens up.
Skateboarding has that too.
Where it's like someone will do it and then everybody goes, oh, let's all do that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When Liotto knocked out Randy Couture with a jumping front kick to the face, everybody was like, oh!
In Toronto and from like 60,000 people.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, that's a big one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
When are they going to do the garden?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, they can do it now.
It's just recently got passed.
But to finish up this Frankie Edgar thing, Frankie Edgar could beat him.
If he can get taken down and dominated like that with Nate, Frankie's a goddamn tornado.
ari shaffir
I feel bad for Frankie Edgar.
joe rogan
I do too.
ari shaffir
For getting left out to like, this is a title eliminator fight, and now it's been like, I guess not a year, but like, where's his title shot?
He did what he had to.
You said win this, and you get a title shot.
joe rogan
Financially, though, you gotta understand their point of view.
ari shaffir
Okay, but in the meantime, Aldo, Edgar, interim title.
joe rogan
Yeah, or Max Holloway.
Max Holloway's in the mix as well.
ari shaffir
Against who?
Edgar?
Or you could jump Edgar.
joe rogan
It would be either, well, you know what?
ari shaffir
I say you gotta give Aldo a rematch.
You gotta give Aldo a rematch.
Nine straight years, no losses, you gotta let him fight again.
joe rogan
Right, of course.
But that's not a rematch.
ari shaffir
Not a rematch.
I'm saying like title, who is either against Conor or whoever.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah, I agree with that.
ari shaffir
But he's the number one contender.
joe rogan
That's a good call.
Or you could set up a fight where Frankie fights Max Holloway.
ari shaffir
Another eliminator.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The problem with that fight is then you get rid of one of the best contenders if it actually comes to pass.
ari shaffir
I feel like he's already done that title eliminator thing.
He won it.
He did what he's asked to.
Then have Max Holloway fight the winner of Aldo, Frankie.
joe rogan
The real problem is a financial problem because the money with Nate Diaz is going to be so goddamn gigantic.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but in the meantime, also have that fight.
joe rogan
Right.
But the problem is one of those guys can either get lost and get beat up.
You have three pieces in play at 145. I agree with you.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I'm saying, like, the smart move, really, is you tell...
Connery has to pick a weight class.
And if you want to fight at 170, you've got to give up your 145-pound title, and they fight for the real title, not for the interim title.
That's the real thing.
Just give up your title.
ari shaffir
Just give it up.
joe rogan
John Jones had to give up his title because of legal problems, right?
So give up your title.
ari shaffir
What's his name?
Aldo had to give it up because he couldn't fight for a while.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Well, no, he never did.
ari shaffir
He didn't give up a study, right?
unidentified
They intermed him.
joe rogan
Interim.
But fuck the interim.
Just give up your title.
You know, it doesn't matter.
It's not a loss.
The loss is to Nate Diaz.
You want to go to 170, that means you're campaigning there.
You can't just freeze up the division.
So then you have Aldo versus Frankie for the real fucking title.
And they fought already before, by the way.
ari shaffir
Aldo-Frankie.
joe rogan
Yes.
And Aldo beat Frankie.
It was doing Aldo in his prime.
But I think that Frankie is better right now than he was then.
And I think that he's got some spectacular...
ari shaffir
Frankie only wins fights he's not supposed to win.
That's all he keeps doing and doing and doing.
He just keeps winning fights he's not supposed to win.
joe rogan
Well, he wins fights he's supposed to win, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You're right.
Favorite fight.
I mean, Frankie's still...
ari shaffir
From the start, he makes his name on these fucking BJ fights and all these fights.
It's like, nah, I didn't have a chance.
And then he just keeps doing it.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
The Cub Swanson fight was an overwhelming fight.
And then the Chad Mendes knockout.
He knocked out Chad Mendes with one punch.
He's at the top of the heap, in my opinion.
So I think that a rematch is not a bad idea between Frankie and Aldo for the title.
And you have that on an undercard of UFC 200 or UFC whatever the fuck you're going to have with Nate Diaz.
ari shaffir
And then if Conor wants someday to come back to 45, then it's like, sure man, we'll give you a title fight right away.
joe rogan
It's not like Conor's not going to know that he already beat Aldo and knocked him out with one punch.
He could talk all kinds of mad shit for the rematch.
They could do it, run it all back again, if Aldo can get past Frankie.
So there's a lot of fun stuff that can happen.
But the Nate Diaz fight has to take place because my point was, this is my final point, is that if he beats Nate Diaz, he silences everybody.
If he goes out there and he fights smart and he snipes him and he stays the fuck away from the boxing, he uses a lot of leg kicks the way Dos Anjos did.
Because Nate stands real heavy on the front leg.
His front leg will be his right leg.
And Connor is a southpaw.
So Connor will be throwing a hard left leg kick from the back leg.
It's a good setup for him in that regard.
And then also, Connor knows now he can't knock Nate out with one punch.
So he's not going to load up and try to uncork, he's going to try to fight smart.
So in fighting smart, then he'll be able to incorporate leg kicks, and he'll be able to incorporate, he'll also understand he's got to fucking stay off the ground.
You're not going to do well on the ground when Nate Diaz.
He's at a very, very high level on the ground.
So unless Conor gets way better with his jiu-jitsu by the time that fight takes place...
Keep the fight standing up.
Use a lot of leg kicks.
And he beats him.
And if he beats him, if he beats Nate Diaz...
ari shaffir
Two options.
Beats him or loses.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So if he loses, he was going to lose to...
He might have lost to Frankie.
I don't want to say he's going to.
But he could have lost to Aldo in a rematch.
Anything could have happened.
If he loses, he's got to get away from 170. Then that Nate Diaz money's gone.
See, the Nate Diaz money's the big money.
He's the most famous guy along with Conor right now.
ari shaffir
If he wins, they're doing a third fight.
joe rogan
100%.
Third fight, yeah.
And then they give up that fucking title at 145. And get...
Fucking rich.
ari shaffir
I mean, at some level, if you're a martial artist, and emphasize the artist, like, keep your fucking titles, the way Cerrone seems to think about it.
Like, I'm just here to fight, man.
You put whatever belt you want on me.
joe rogan
You certainly want that title.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but it's like...
joe rogan
Yeah, I feel what you're saying.
Yeah, I think it's about money weights.
You know, money fights are what's really important.
It's not a matter of titles.
No one would give a fuck if neither...
Nate Diaz doesn't have a title and Conor McGregor's not the welterweight champion.
If he gave up his title, that wouldn't mean a goddamn thing.
ari shaffir
Still a war.
Still a great fight.
joe rogan
You still have former featherweight champion versus former ultimate fighter winner who stopped this guy in the second round of their last fight.
It's a spectacular Spectacular fight.
ari shaffir
God, and the trash is so good.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a giant fight.
ari shaffir
You're on steroids.
How do you take that back?
All right, steroids.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a giant fight.
unidentified
What have I ever done?
ari shaffir
I've never done it.
Steroids.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So great.
joe rogan
And Nate was unflapped.
ari shaffir
Unflappable.
That's the best when they told him in his last fight.
They were like, Nate, you gotta stop talking.
The ref stopped talking.
He's like, why?
That's how I fight.
When I fight in Stockton, I fight.
joe rogan
You can't tell him.
ari shaffir
I talk shit.
What do you mean?
Is that a rule?
joe rogan
The referee needs to shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Is that a rule?
joe rogan
It's not a rule.
You can't do that.
There's a lot of stuff that referees...
Referees get a little busy in there sometimes.
They interfere too much.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They talk too much.
Fight.
Come on, guys.
Fight.
Keep it moving.
When they are fighting, sometimes they say that.
When guys are clenching...
ari shaffir
And they have a turn and go, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's some referees that are just not that good.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
You know, there's guys that say it when it's appropriate.
Like, Herb Dean will say it when it's appropriate.
Like, if someone's like, they're stalling.
ari shaffir
He's great.
joe rogan
He's a gold standard.
Him and McCarthy are the gold standard.
They're the best.
And Josh Rosenfeld.
ari shaffir
Let me tell you this, I saw once at the Pearl, I saw her being called a fight, and people were booing, early stoppage, early stoppage.
And I saw him walk out of the octagon, I saw him walk out of the octagon, and look at the replay, and watch it, I saw him watch it, and then he sees the replay and goes, yeah.
He was like, no, I did the right thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he and I had a conversation after the Tim Sylvia fight.
Tim Sylvia fought Frank Mir, and the audience was booing because he stopped the fight because they didn't see it.
But I saw it because I had the replay in front of me and the screen.
The audience didn't have a screen that they could call from the truck instantly, so they had to put it up on the big screen where you could see Frank's arm break.
So, or excuse me, see Tim's arm break.
So Frank got him in an arm bar and snapped his forearm in half.
And Herb was right there and called it.
And the audience was screaming, boo, boo, boo.
But when I got in there, I go, what's going on?
I go, it looks like it was broken.
He goes, oh yeah, I heard it.
It snapped.
And so then we played it back to the audience.
And I said, well, watch this.
What's that?
What's that?
I go, that's a broken arm.
And then I showed it to Tim Sylvia, and Tim Sylvia thanked Herb Dean after the fight.
He's like, I was complaining about the early stoppage, but you saved my career.
Like, my fucking arm was broken in half.
And so Herb was like, he heard the snap, saw the bone break.
ari shaffir
Because he could have done a lot more damage if he kept fucking with it.
joe rogan
Well, Herb was in the perfect position.
He's a really good referee.
ari shaffir
Tim Apollida said thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Thank you for saving my career.
And his fucking arm, man.
Because if someone yanks on a compound fracture and it goes right through the skin and the bone bursts, you use all sorts of risk of infection, real serious complications.
I mean, who knows if that arm's ever going to be the same again.
ari shaffir
Most exciting fight I might have ever seen.
Tim Sylvia, Randy Couture in Columbus.
joe rogan
That was a great fight.
ari shaffir
First fight they ever had in Columbus.
joe rogan
Randy knocked him down the first round.
ari shaffir
And then everyone was like, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
No, he can't take the title.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
All right, one round.
That's good.
That's good.
And then went on the second round.
I was like, dude, if he wins one more round, he'll win the decision.
joe rogan
Randy big brothered him.
ari shaffir
Beat him 5-0.
joe rogan
And he stepped in with like the inside leg kick fake to the big right hand and just clobbered Tim Sylvia.
And I think Tim just totally never recovered from that.
It was probably just caught him on the chin and whomped him.
Did you ever see Tim Sylvia when he fought Ray Mercer?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, that was a crazy idea.
ari shaffir
Sad.
joe rogan
That was a crazy idea.
ari shaffir
And he still faked the leg kick.
And Tim Mercer was like, we're not going to do kicks, right?
We're not going to do pussy shit.
joe rogan
He didn't fake the leg kick.
This is what was supposed to happen.
They were supposed to have a boxing match.
It was supposed to be Ray Mercer versus Tim Sylvia with a boxing match.
But because Ray Mercer was a world champion and Tim Sylvia didn't have any pro boxing matches, they wouldn't sanction it.
ari shaffir
So they had to make it MMA. But they said, hey, MMA, you and I, we both know we're just going to do boxing.
And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Allegedly, they agreed to that.
And then Tim Sylvia leg kicked him and Ray Mercer hit him with a haymaker from hell.
It was a haymaker on steroids.
It was a knockout on crack.
Yeah, Ray Mercer was a monster when he was young.
He can hit hard.
That's like the last thing that goes away with a guy like him.
Here it is.
See, he gets kicked and he's like, oh man.
ari shaffir
He's like, you motherfucker.
I thought we talked about this.
And then he fucking unloads.
joe rogan
Tim's a big boy too.
Boom!
Look at that.
ari shaffir
What is he?
6'8", 6'10"?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, he's enormous.
ari shaffir
Out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, he got slipped.
Watch this punch.
Womp!
That guy hits so hard.
For him to catch you like that on the chin.
Ray Mercer.
He was awesome back in the day.
Ray Mercer was awesome.
That knockout of Tommy Morrison.
Did you ever see that?
ari shaffir
No.
Tommy Gunn?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
One of the most frightening knockouts in the history of boxing, for sure.
Tommy Morrison was the guy.
He was the white hope.
Everybody thought he was going to be the heavyweight champion.
He was in the Rocky movie.
He was this badass.
And he fought motherfucking Ray Mercer.
And Ray Mercer, boom!
He catches him with this shot.
And look at this fucking combination.
Boom!
And Tommy gets caught up in the ropes here.
unidentified
See?
joe rogan
As he's going down look his arm gets wrapped up in the ropes and look at this boom boom he's out standing up the refs trying to stop him and he's caught he was caught in the ropes he should have been down dude it was brutal it was brutal it's one of the worst KOs ever and Morrison came back from that but not really that's amazing he was always fucked up from that that fight was just devastating He got tired.
The anxiety of the event and the fact that Ray Mercer hit so hard, you know, you're always nervous, you're always scared, and then he got caught.
Bang!
He started slowing down, he got caught.
Ray Mercer could close the fucking show, too.
ari shaffir
Speaking of fights...
joe rogan
Speaking of fights...
ari shaffir
Greg Fitzsimmons is going to be doing a fight story in the next season of This Is Not Happening.
joe rogan
Oh, are you plugging?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I didn't realize I was doing it.
But it is every Tuesday night.
You've got just three episodes left.
joe rogan
Didn't you just say you're going to be somewhere soon, doing stand-up comedy, perhaps this weekend?
ari shaffir
You might have thought about Tempe, Arizona, the improv.
joe rogan
Oh, the Tempe improv.
What a place.
ari shaffir
AriTheGreat.com.
joe rogan
Hey, if you go to our website, 105thezoo, and if you enter in your email address, you can win tickets to see Ari Shaffir.
All right.
Most likely we'll just annoy you.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and this is for sure.
You guys, you can DVR the show for sure.
I'd like you to do that.
Ron White's on this week with me doing that story about Chinese shit squat toilet.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I worked it into like a long, nice story.
But if you Google or YouTube search, this is not happening playlist, you'll see the unedited versions of these long form stories.
71 videos up right now.
Diaz has probably four of them.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
ari shaffir
Rogan has two.
joe rogan
I remember when you started us all out, man, at the improv lab.
ari shaffir
Improv side room.
12 people.
Belladonna was one of them.
joe rogan
Belladonna.
ari shaffir
She was in the audience.
joe rogan
Whatever happened to her?
unidentified
I don't know.
ari shaffir
She was tired.
joe rogan
She got out of the business.
ari shaffir
I don't really come across her on Pornhub anymore.
joe rogan
They just get out of the business, man.
ari shaffir
But yeah, I started with nothing.
Diaz and Marin was in the first one.
joe rogan
Did you start from the bottom, now you're here?
ari shaffir
I guess so.
unidentified
I guess so.
I think you did.
joe rogan
I think you started from the bottom, now the whole crew's here.
ari shaffir
That might be true.
joe rogan
I think that really holds true.
I mean, it's inarguable at this point.
Starting from the bottom, now we're here.
ari shaffir
Diaz is on in three weeks in the season finale.
joe rogan
So, Cyborg's in the UFC now, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's amazing.
I just heard that from you, Royal Open Pool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Finally!
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
Finally!
joe rogan
Yeah, at 140. At 140. Yeah, the problem is...
ari shaffir
Now, Ronna fights at 35?
joe rogan
Yes.
And she's going to fight Leslie Smith, who fights at 135. It's the girl who had her ear exploded.
Her ear got torn off by Jessica Ai.
ari shaffir
What's the problem?
joe rogan
Well, it's not a problem, but it's a 140-pound weight class instead of a 145. The 145 is what she's champion of in Invicta, and I think the idea is that they worry that they don't have enough 145-pound talent.
I think they didn't have enough 135-pound talent.
ari shaffir
No, for sure they didn't.
joe rogan
They didn't have 115-pound talent.
ari shaffir
They're about to give somebody a third rematch in five years.
Like, come on, man.
joe rogan
What?
You mean Misha Tate?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's like you don't have a deep enough weight class if that's what you keep doing.
joe rogan
Well, sort of.
But, I mean, that's the same problem they're going to have right now at welterweight.
The same problem you're talking about at 145, which has a lot of talent.
There's a lot of talent at 145 in men's.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, so...
This is what I think.
I think, first of all, she's fucking terrifying.
Terrifying.
When I talk about one of the scariest female strikers in MMA, Cyborg's terrifying.
And Tony and I got in trouble because we said some inappropriate jokes about what would a roast be like with her.
All jokes aside, even before that, I had tweeted that I would love to see her in the UFC. For sure.
ari shaffir
She's the name.
joe rogan
She's a monster.
And I think also, we shouldn't have double standards as far as who takes performance-enhancing drugs, whether it's for men or for women.
Is there?
I think there kind of is.
I think the way people look at it, when a woman is taking testosterone versus a man taking testosterone.
ari shaffir
Because it's not already part of your body.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But, you know, honestly, like some of the things that men have been caught with have been pretty unnatural as well, like superhuman levels of testosterone that don't even exist in medical books.
You know, so you could argue that it's dangerous because a woman does change her anatomy.
ari shaffir
Whatever, they're testing her now.
joe rogan
Yeah, but your anatomy changes.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
But you have to make a weight class.
It's tricky, man.
ari shaffir
I mean, it always seemed, before this Holly Holm thing happened, and that's all fishy, too.
joe rogan
What's fishy?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Rhonda won't take a fight, won't take a fight against Holly Holm, and then it's suddenly like Misha Tate wins, like, I'm ready to fight now.
joe rogan
No, she's not necessarily ready to fight now.
No, she's not.
She can't fight until like November.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's got movie obligations.
They got moved around.
See, that's bad right there.
That is bad.
When the movies get in the way of your fights, you gotta pick one or the other.
ari shaffir
Go in between.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Wait in four months and say, as soon as my fight's over, I can do your movie for the next three months, and then I get her back to training.
joe rogan
It's gotta be hard, though, when you're...
You know, a super celebrity and you're getting all this love and everybody wants to put you in all these different things.
It's got to be hard to say no to certain things.
ari shaffir
Obviously, but the same shit happens in female comics.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's way worse with a fighter because a fighter has to be physically tuned up to go in to do battle and get kicked in the fucking head.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's way worse with a fighter.
It's just similar where it's like you're not concentrating on the thing that got you there.
So the thing that got you there is now suffering.
Maybe you don't care anymore.
Maybe you just want to do movies.
Okay.
joe rogan
Well, that happens to a lot of comics when they make it.
All of a sudden, you start getting movie offers and TV show offers.
ari shaffir
And their stand-up sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, you've got to spend time in the trenches.
ari shaffir
I'll work out for two weeks before my special.
I was like, oh, no, you can't do that.
joe rogan
Dude, I had a conversation with a guy who was on a TV show about that.
He was telling me he was doing a special.
I'm like, when are you doing it?
It's like Saturday night.
I knew he had been doing like one or two sets a week.
I was like, whoa, hmm, all right.
ari shaffir
Yeah, like, what are you doing?
joe rogan
He wasn't even doing one or two headline sets a week.
It's not like he's doing one or two theaters a week.
ari shaffir
Just 15-minute sets?
unidentified
No, he's doing spots.
joe rogan
Doing spots.
unidentified
That's crazy.
ari shaffir
It's a lack of respect for the art form.
joe rogan
Well, it's not knowing.
ari shaffir
For yourself.
joe rogan
Not knowing.
Not having done it, you know?
Not having done it the right way where you feel better and everything's loose.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you think, I'm doing well.
My sets are going well.
We've all made...
ari shaffir
It's different than stringing together an hour and four minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you can...
It's just...
To do it the right way.
Like the way...
I think, gives it the most time to grow.
You have to have material that you've worked on for a long time, and you have to put a lot of effort into it, and then you have to tighten that shit down and get a really great comedy shape for about two months.
That's what I think.
I think you need two solid months of every weekend smashing it.
Every weekend, two shows Friday, two shows Saturday, show on Sunday, do spouts during the week.
ari shaffir
I mean, you know it, dude.
When people ask me, what's the best show to watch?
I'm just like, I don't know, they're all the same.
But, if it's my first time on the road, even in two weeks, That Thursday show, that first show of the week, is not going to be the best show.
joe rogan
It depends, though.
ari shaffir
It depends, sure.
I could get Lewis and have fun.
joe rogan
How many spots you're doing during the week and how excited you are to be in San Francisco.
ari shaffir
Right, absolutely.
And if I just performed Thursday through Sunday the week before, so this is only three days later, yeah, I'm going to be sharp.
But if it's been a few weeks and it's like, but by Saturday of that week, oh, I'm on fire.
joe rogan
And there's a big difference between doing Thursday night if you are coming off of a weekend run of like three, four, five weekends in a row.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, then you're on fire.
joe rogan
Then you're on fire.
Like one of the times, the only time I've ever gone on a real tour was when I did that thing with Charlie Murphy and Hefron.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we did that real men of comedy Maxim thing.
That thing, man, we did 22 or 23 dates and And you're just doing show after show after show after show.
ari shaffir
And how sharp do you get?
joe rogan
Oh, you get like a fucking samurai sword, man.
The blade just gets folded down and polished.
ari shaffir
Yeah, now imagine if you took off half those days to go shoot a movie.
How would your final shows have been?
joe rogan
How about most of those days?
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
There's no way.
joe rogan
But it's like everything else.
Everything else.
I mean, you don't become a world champion fighter without dedicating your life to it.
You don't become a great musician without a lot of rehearsal and a lot of planning.
ari shaffir
How much are you going to prep?
How many weeks in a row before your next special are you going to go?
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
What percentage?
No less than eight weeks.
Well, first of all, I've taken vacations.
I took a vacation last week, which I wrote when I was on vacation.
Sometimes I think those vacation times...
ari shaffir
You can step away for a few days.
That's okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, but sometimes I think those vacation times where I know I'm not going to perform and I just write my thoughts down with no pressure just to fuck around.
I get ideas.
I get little seeds that grow from those sort of, you know, those introspective sit-down moments on the beach.
ari shaffir
Also, this doesn't have to be presented right now.
What's that?
This doesn't have to be presented to an audience right now.
So you have two or three days to form your thoughts fully and really go into it.
Five days, a week, whatever it is.
joe rogan
My point being, I'm constantly working.
I'm not taking any time off.
Besides having a little vacation time.
Even when I had a vacation, I came back and I did...
I came back on my vacation on Thursday night and I was performing Friday and Saturday night.
I went right back in.
And I'm doing two, three shows a night.
I'm doing them at different clubs.
I'm moving around and then I'm doing the road.
I think you gotta stay sharp.
You gotta bear down.
But the last run, I accept no less than two months.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Every week?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
On the road?
unidentified
Every week.
joe rogan
Somewhere.
It doesn't have to be on the road.
It could be the Irvine Improv.
It could be Ontario.
ari shaffir
I mean, doing hours.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
So you're saying seven straight weeks and then film on the 8th.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And you're not going to take...
Sometimes I thought...
And I don't know if I should take the week off before.
So then when Thursday comes, wherever...
I'm doing it in Cap City in October.
But when I do, I have a little freshness to it.
joe rogan
You could do that.
ari shaffir
I don't know the right way.
And I also want to do like a garbage club the week before that.
joe rogan
Just to fuck around.
ari shaffir
Like a sea level room where I won't have fans and I can just like, let me test, let me fail here.
joe rogan
You'll have fans everywhere you go.
As long as you put it online.
You'll have fans in dating.
ari shaffir
Yeah, just lower percentage.
You know what I mean.
Just like, I don't have a draw here.
joe rogan
Garbage people.
unidentified
You know those people.
joe rogan
They vote for Ted Cruz.
You know those people.
They're not on the coast.
I don't know, man.
I think it's very different for everybody.
ari shaffir
So you're going to do eight straight weeks.
That's great.
You're going to be so, you're going to be fire.
joe rogan
I think you have to.
I think you could also, like, during the weekdays, I gotta do, like, ice house sets, and do Tuesday night.
No, but, like, do not just store sets, but do long sets during the week, too.
You just gotta hammer it down, man.
And you'll know, you'll know if you're burning, you know, if you're not feeling that good about it, and you'll know if it's, you know, you're feeling good.
But I think, um...
I don't know, man.
It's exciting stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, you're, uh...
ari shaffir
Kurt...
Whatever.
Some new bits you have are fucking...
They're fire, man.
They're fire.
joe rogan
I'm into it right now.
I'm really into it.
Loving it, man.
Another thing is coming back to the store, which has been a little over a year now.
ari shaffir
How you feeling now?
Fuck.
joe rogan
Love it.
Very happy.
Perfect move.
Feels like being away from it was great.
ari shaffir
It's your home.
You were at war for a while or something, then you got back home and everything's normal again.
joe rogan
It's better.
It's better.
The young crop is better.
ari shaffir
eBay has completely changed the game over there.
I reached out to people like Fitzsimmons and Hannibal and just be like, hey, whatever the system was, here's the number to call in.
Call in every Monday.
I'd love to have you.
You're one of the best comics in the country.
Just come on in.
joe rogan
Adam came to get me.
He came to get you.
One of the reasons why I came by.
What did he do?
I wanted to go by there again for two reasons.
One, because you were doing your special there.
I knew I had to be there.
So I was like, okay.
ari shaffir
Thank you.
That meant a lot to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had to.
I was like, I'm not gonna...
It was a huge deal.
Like, you getting your first Comedy Central special and, you know, me being your friend from when you were a doorman.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Yeah.
Door guy.
joe rogan
For sure.
And I'm like, dude, you know, you have a Comedy Central special and it's filming at the store.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, I was going.
ari shaffir
Pretty excited about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I decided to go the day before for that.
So I came down on...
ari shaffir
So it wouldn't be like during the special, like, oh my God, Josie.
Yeah, get it out of the way.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had to go, like, just relax.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fact that I was there.
So I went to Roast Battle, and I was like, wow, the vibe of this place is crazy.
I was like, this is so much better than it was before.
It's the young crop so much better.
That roast battle is insane.
ari shaffir
They've empowered.
Emily has empowered the door guides.
If you can come up with a show and you can get some people there, I'll give you the belly room.
Just come up with a show.
I'm looking for you guys to make...
Instead of before, we're like, Mitzi will never let us do anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, it's a totally different animal.
It's just way better.
And it's also, we've been talking about this, that there's people now that became comedy fans because of the internet, from YouTube clips and from podcasts, and they understand it now.
And they know that that's the place where we fuck around and work out, and they know that we're going to be there all the time.
ari shaffir
You mean audience members?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Right.
You build it and they'll come.
Like, you go there now and it's fucking mobbed.
ari shaffir
It's mobbed on a fucking Wednesday.
It's mobbed on a Tuesday.
Monday, the open mic show, the employee show, they're like, it's packed there because it's one of the only times you can get a free show at the comedy store.
joe rogan
Dude, they sold out 20 nights in the OR in a row.
ari shaffir
In the OR. In the OR. Okay, and people don't understand what this means.
joe rogan
It's insane.
ari shaffir
It's only, maybe, it's not only, it's 165 seats.
But when I ran the cover booth, there were Tuesdays and Wednesdays, consistently, you couldn't start with less than six people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And we wouldn't start.
The show's supposed to start at nine, we wouldn't start until like ten.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because we wouldn't get six people in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, there'd be nobody there.
ari shaffir
Six!
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And now it's just, knowing that, those times were only, I mean, less than a decade ago, it was like, wow.
joe rogan
The internet changed the game, son.
ari shaffir
Changed the game.
joe rogan
Changed the whole game.
And podcasts changed the game.
Everybody's got a goddamn podcast.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you can get some fans.
joe rogan
Bill Burr, Mark Maron.
I mean, Mark Maron's entire fame is based on a podcast.
He didn't get fame from anything.
I mean, a little bit from that America show.
ari shaffir
But that was all kind of gone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He had a small base, but that's not who he's got now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I mean, now he's famous.
ari shaffir
Air America.
joe rogan
He's famous.
And he's famous because of the internet, because of podcasting.
Al Madrigal's there.
You know what I mean?
It's like...
ari shaffir
That's an amazing thing.
It overthrew a fucking government in Libya and in Egypt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The internet's a motherfucker, dude.
It's a motherfucker.
And so the place is what it should have always been.
It's like the best...
Like, playground for comics.
ari shaffir
Whatever you want.
joe rogan
Fuck around.
Come up with great material.
And Holtzman.
Oh my god.
Folks, if you're in town on a night where Brian Holtzman is closing out the main room, just go.
I mean, this is not...
It's not become a thing yet.
It should be a thing.
Like, when people are talking about, like, Kinnison is prime...
unidentified
It came in late night, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was all late night.
I'm telling you, Brian Holtzman on Friday night, he got on stage at like, you know, like 12 o'clock, 12.30 or something like that.
ari shaffir
That's three and a half hours into the show.
joe rogan
It's a long show.
ari shaffir
If that's the main room, if there were 300 people in there, there's probably 30 at this point.
joe rogan
Well, there's more and more now.
That's what's interesting.
There was like 60 or 70 there to see.
ari shaffir
It's still a show.
joe rogan
People know that it's happening now.
ari shaffir
And the thing is, that show goes on forever.
So if you finish your bar at fucking 11.30, you can just roll in.
joe rogan
I'm telling you.
ari shaffir
Catch the second half of it.
joe rogan
He's a fucking animal.
He's so funny.
And Brian is a guy that was there when I first arrived in 94. You know how Mitzi found him?
ari shaffir
She was in her office upstairs.
Remember that old office up there?
And there's a door.
You can still see it's kind of sealed up into the belly room from her office.
She heard somebody killing.
And she was like, what is this?
She just kind of listened to the door and then she opened it up and it was Holtzman on stage.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Get him over here.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and like a bringer show type thing, like an open mic type thing.
joe rogan
Just one of my favorite comedians.
ari shaffir
He almost made me barf once.
Like I was laughing so hard.
I couldn't even control it.
joe rogan
I don't want to do any of his material, but his bit about Hillary Clinton.
Yeah, you can't.
It's literally so singular and individual.
ari shaffir
Because of the anger he brings to it.
I mean, when Charlie's Angels came out...
They used to have ashtrays at the comedy store.
These big fucking thick glass ones.
I mean, thick and big.
I mean, the size of this alarm clock.
Remember those things?
Eventually, they got the plastic ones, but they had them up there.
It was only for the comedians to smoke if they wanted to, because a few did.
And he goes, Charlie, I don't like that movie because it gives women the false impression that they can defend themselves.
unidentified
I am a 220 pound former crack addict, former Marine!
ari shaffir
And he takes the fucking ashtray and he just slams it.
I will crush it and it just shatters!
joe rogan
Yeah, he destroyed a giant glass ashtray on stage.
And you would say, that's not funny, that's scary.
He's talking about beating women.
You have to see it, I'm telling you.
It's a character, and he'll break character occasionally and giggle and laugh, and then he goes back into it.
Fuck, dude.
ari shaffir
Either laugh or put your heads down.
If you don't want to laugh at the joke, then put your heads down.
He would do sometimes bad jokes, like real stock jokes, so he could get mad at the crowd for not laughing at them.
Not stock jokes, just his own stock jokes.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
So he'd get mad at the crowd for not the joke, so he can go off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he just wants to be angry.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's fucking.
Anyway.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Comedy store.
It's awesome.
That's it, folks.
We gotta bring this bitch home.
I gotta go work for the UFC. I got some countdown shit to do.
I'm gonna find out some secrets.
Find out about some fights.
Some shit nobody knows about.
unidentified
Woo!
So excited.
ari shaffir
Cyborg Rousey.
Everybody wants to see that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's gotta happen after Cyborg fights Leslie Smith.
That's in May in Brazil.
Brazil!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it, you fucks.
We'll be back tomorrow with Andrew Dice Clay.
Holla at your boy.
ari shaffir
Nice.
joe rogan
Very excited.
ari shaffir
Very excited.
joe rogan
And until then, Ari, anything to say to the people?
ari shaffir
Guys, I guess not.
joe rogan
Okay, go fuck yourself from Ari Shafir.
Love ya.
ari shaffir
Make sure to tune it.
DVR my show.
This is not happening.
Tuesday night slash Wednesday morning at 12.30 on Comedy Central.
We got three episodes left and Diaz is on one of them.
And Sean Patton tells maybe the best story of the year.
The last episode and Simone's on in two weeks.
Ron White's on this week with me.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
Alright folks, see you soon.
Much love.
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