Feb. 15, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Jamie. | |
| Bam, motherfucker! | ||
| And we're live with Filthy Skills, by the way. | ||
| If people are wondering what Filthy Skills is, this is a hilarious story because I just saw you wearing... | ||
| I ran into you in Salt Lake. | ||
| I didn't know... | ||
| I was going to be there. | ||
| By the way, Cameron Haynes, my friend, Bo Hunter. | ||
| Where's my camera here? | ||
| Wildlife conservationist, ultra-marathon runner, ultimate badass. | ||
| I was in Salt Lake skiing with my family at the same time. | ||
| What was it called? | ||
| The Great Western... | ||
| It's a Western hunting... | ||
| Exposition, conservation exposition, something like that. | ||
| Which I really want to just drag some of the biggest diehard vegans, one of the most angry ones, just let them loose there and go wander around. | ||
| They'd go bonkers. | ||
| They'd run into walls and scream and probably pee themselves. | ||
| It's all just skulls and shit. | ||
| And mounts and big cool stuff. | ||
| And places you can go to shoot your own food. | ||
| But you were wearing this Filthy Skills shirt, so I'm like, what is Filthy Skills? | ||
| And I've been seeing it on your Instagram. | ||
| What is Filthy Skills? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is hilarious. | ||
| So some guy sent you this, and we'll put it up on the screen so you can see it on YouTube. | ||
| Some guy sent this, which is a photo of a YouTube comment where this guy, you got it, Jamie? | ||
| Where some guy said to you, Here it is. | ||
| Fuck you for destroying our world with your filthy hunting skill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your filthy hunting skill. | ||
| Why don't you kill yourself instead to reduce the population, dumbass? | ||
| First of all, the spelling on this is atrocious. | ||
| It's almost like he got his dog to write that for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| FK, space, letter U, space, for, you got destroying, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's a tough word. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, he's weird. | ||
| He's like, population's good, filthy's good, but you're, he does you are. | ||
| People that do you are, what do you do with all that extra time that you spend between, like, Y-O-U? What do you do with, you know, you don't have to spend that time working those fingers. | ||
| Very efficient. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your filthy hunting skills. | ||
| So you saw that and were like, hey! | ||
| There's a couple things that I thought I did not know I had the power to destroy the world. | ||
| I am more powerful than I ever knew. | ||
| That's impressive, isn't it? | ||
| But then I also said, hey, I have filthy hunting skills. | ||
| I thought that was sort of like a compliment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hence the shirt. | ||
| There's such a disconnect going on in this world right now. | ||
| We were talking about this today while we're practicing. | ||
| It seems like there's some sort of a culture war. | ||
| There's a movement of people right now. | ||
| There's this whole eat what you kill movement. | ||
| And a lot of people are rejecting the idea of factory farming. | ||
| And rejecting the idea of buying processed food and buying cows that are locked up in pens and treated like a commodity rather than like a living animal. | ||
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Right. | |
| And going out into the woods and hunting and getting their own food and connecting to this sort of primal existence. | ||
| Self-sufficient. | ||
| Self-sufficient. | ||
| That's what I like about it. | ||
| I don't rely on anybody to feed my family. | ||
| And a lot of people love that, but then there's this group of people that are completely disconnected from the way the wild works that are very angry about all this. | ||
| And there's some bizarre conversations that I've been having with some very well-meaning, very intelligent people. | ||
| They're very nice people. | ||
| And this is where there's a big misconception here. | ||
| I got into it with a gang of people recently. | ||
| I shouldn't even say I got into it, because I've kind of given up on insulting people online, because I don't get anything out of it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| If you don't like me, I get it. | ||
| I like me. | ||
| I like me. | ||
| I'm a nice guy. | ||
| I mean, if you meet me and you communicate with me nice, even if we disagree, I guarantee we're going to have a pleasant conversation. | ||
| I'm a nice person. | ||
| So, when someone insults me or says nasty shit or makes a nasty video about me, I don't watch it. | ||
| I'm not going to. | ||
| And people, why don't you respond? | ||
| I'm not going to. | ||
| Why would I? I don't have enough time. | ||
| I don't have enough time to spend with the people I love. | ||
| I don't have time to hang out with you. | ||
| What am I, do I have 15 extra minutes to watch a video and then make my own video? | ||
| I don't have time. | ||
| This world, this life is short, okay? | ||
| So, I get that people are upset, but the core message that everybody's getting out, there's one of two messages. | ||
| One message is, you should never eat animals at all, and that we should live this The idyllic existence where everyone lives off nuts and twigs and shit and vegetables and that's all you eat. | ||
| Pine cone. | ||
| Okay, that's fine. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| But then there's the other that you support and I support that the best way to live in this modern world is to go out and get your own meat. | ||
| The problem with that, of course, and this is a real problem. | ||
| Everybody can't do that. | ||
| There's not enough wildlife. | ||
| There's not enough time. | ||
| And I don't think that we think everybody should do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Our point is, and I think people like us, is you don't have to do it, but don't condemn it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't condemn it because we, I mean... | ||
| As you said in my intro, conservationists. | ||
| Hunters are conservationists. | ||
| We're the one that's paying the money for habitat, for all these biologists to tell us exactly how many animals are out there. | ||
| They got boots on the ground and they're out there with the animals doing the number surveys, figuring out harvest numbers to try to achieve, carrying capacity. | ||
| The guys online who think that grizzly bears are almost extinct and like, how could you kill a bear? | ||
| You know, they want to kill me because I killed a bear. | ||
| In Alaska that they probably have no clue how many bear are running around Alaska, but somehow they know that I shouldn't have killed it. | ||
| They don't know how many are there. | ||
| They don't know what the bear with the bear population where I killed two brown bear, which are grizzly bear and a black bear. | ||
| They don't know that those bears need to be controlled. | ||
| Otherwise, they decimate the moose population. | ||
| It's it's all about moose everything. | ||
| Yeah, and part of that balance is humans. | ||
| So People always say, well, animals will take care of themselves. | ||
| It's worked out, predators kill, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We're just interfering. | ||
| Well, yeah, we're interfering also because of your house. | ||
| We're taking habitat. | ||
| So we can't let the animals sort it out because we're the ones encroaching on habitat. | ||
| So we are in that process. | ||
| We are at the top of the food chain. | ||
| We require habitat too. | ||
| They require habitat. | ||
| So there's a balance. | ||
| It's all part of the equation. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And... | ||
| This balance, there's some parts of it that are set in place before you and I were born, and before a lot of these people that are arguing, everybody, before everybody that's arguing about this has been born. | ||
| The cities were already in place a long time ago. | ||
| The food chain has already been in place. | ||
| The market chain has been in place, as far as getting food to supermarkets. | ||
| Most of the supermarkets that are in existence were there long before you and I start shopping at them, and that's a part of this equation of human beings. | ||
| Another part of the equation of human beings is what you're talking about with predators. | ||
| And this is one of the things that I had a discussion about with the guys who I really like. | ||
| And there's some misconception I didn't like these guys. | ||
| The guys that made that movie Cowspiracy. | ||
| They're very good guys. | ||
| They're very smart guys. | ||
| They're vegans. | ||
| They became vegans. | ||
| Is this factory farming? | ||
| Well, it's a lot about factory farming, and a lot of it is about the amount of waste, methane, that gets into the atmosphere because of factory farming, the actual waste as far as their shit, the cows' shit, and the amount of devastation that does to our environment, and how much... | ||
| Actual land these animals need to graze in order to feed them. | ||
| These are really complicated numbers and disputed. | ||
| They went with the extreme on one end. | ||
| And there's some other people I'm having tomorrow. | ||
| Doug Duren, my friend from Minnesota, Wisconsin. | ||
| My buddy from... | ||
| He's from the Steve Vernella show, Meat Eater. | ||
| He has that large ranch out in... | ||
| What is the name of this? | ||
| You hunted out there, right? | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to figure the name of the town. | ||
| It's a very weird, small town. | ||
| Anyway, he's in Wisconsin in this really cool area where it's the... | ||
| You know they have, it's called the Driftless area, where the glacier's mist, so it's all hilly and gorgeous and beautiful, and that's where he lives, and he raises cows out there, and he's going to come in and give his perspective on a lot of this stuff as well. | ||
| But they had this really strange idea about wolves, and that I had to correct them, and this idea about, you know, that we've hunted the wolves to near extinction, and now they're reintroducing people and hunt them again, and, you know, they really have to stop that. | ||
| I'm like, man. | ||
| Wolves are fucking cool. | ||
| This is one of the things that I said to these guys. | ||
| Nobody wants to eliminate wolves, but throughout human history, long before we were around, people have had a problem with wolves. | ||
| And there's a reason for that. | ||
| All the big bad wolf stories, all the Little Red Riding Hood, all that shit. | ||
| It's because wolves are fucking terrifying. | ||
| They are very, very dangerous. | ||
| And I brought up the whole World War I incident where the Germans and the Russians had a fucking ceasefire because so many of them were getting killed by wolves. | ||
| They made an agreement. | ||
| They're like, look. | ||
| Obviously, we've got a real problem that's bigger than us. | ||
| Like, team people. | ||
| Let's stop killing each other for a little while and kill these fucking wolves. | ||
| And they killed the wolves and then went back to killing each other. | ||
| It's a crazy story. | ||
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It is. | |
| And then there's the other story from the 1400s in Paris, where wolves killed more than 40 people in Paris. | ||
| The city of Paris was overrun with wolves. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Wolves are killing machines, and you have to keep their populations down. | ||
| And if you don't, you run into huge problems. | ||
| People bring up, there's this video that people bring up all the time, how wolves changed rivers. | ||
| And it's a fascinating video. | ||
| We played it on here before. | ||
| The problem with that video is the guy who made that video is fucking nuts, okay? | ||
| And he is romantic to the extreme in the idea of introducing keystone predators into these areas where they haven't been before. | ||
| His idea was that wolves are making things better for all these other animals by getting rid of the... | ||
| But they're not. | ||
| They're decimating the elk population. | ||
| And there was a thing written by scientists disputing all of his claims that were in that video. | ||
| So then I went, like, what's this guy's deal about? | ||
| So I listened to this NPR podcast on him. | ||
| This motherfucker wants to bring lions back to Europe. | ||
| He's like, there's parts of the UK that are empty, and we could reintroduce lions and hyenas. | ||
| Like, bitch, are you out of your fucking mind? | ||
| Good idea. | ||
| The UK's not that big! | ||
| No. | ||
| You're gonna bring lions? | ||
| Like, actual African lions? | ||
| And his idea is that they found these fossils of these lions that existed there thousands of years ago. | ||
| So they need to be back. | ||
| He wants to reintroduce them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And by the way, this guy was suicidal and depressed, like to the extreme, ready to kill himself, and then decided to what he calls rewilding. | ||
| He reintroduced himself to the wild, started experiencing the wild, and fell in love with wildlife and nature, and that's what pulled him up out of this, and now it's his mission. | ||
| Hey, I'm in love with wildlife and nature, too. | ||
| Well, realistically, but realistically. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I do want to say one thing, because we've talked about factory farming and the downside of it. | ||
| We're not lumping ranchers, regular ranchers that raise cattle. | ||
| I mean, my family is a cattle ranching family in eastern Oregon, so I'm not talking about cows that are out with enough pasture out there And then being killed, taking a mark and killed. | ||
| We're talking about that animals that don't leave the cage, that are standing in, you know, their own feces and just never move and never have a life and then have a bolt shove through their head and they're dead. | ||
| You know, we're talking that extreme. | ||
| That's not everybody. | ||
| I have a lot of respect for farmers and ranchers. | ||
| And I mean, so we don't want to lump everybody into the ranchers are all factory farmers, for sure. | ||
| No, there's certainly not. | ||
| And one of the things that I noticed when I was in Montana, when I first went hunting with Rinella, we went through the Missouri breaks, and there was all these cows wandering around. | ||
| And I was like, what is the deal with this? | ||
| Well, those cows literally wander free on public land. | ||
| And this is what this Oregon nutty shit is about, and what the Nevada nutty shit was about, with all these crazy ranchers that want to... | ||
| Fucking take over the government. | ||
| Like, yeah, that's not good. | ||
| But what do they call it? | ||
| Yal-Qaeda? | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| We don't even know. | ||
| We never even found out who came up with that description. | ||
| Someone was claiming that someone on the podcast came up with that description. | ||
| But when we were in Montana, that's when I first got introduced to this, these animals literally roam free and wild. | ||
| They sleep outside. | ||
| They eat outside. | ||
| They wander through. | ||
| And then they're corralled. | ||
| And when they're brought to slaughter, then they're corralled. | ||
| And so for the majority of their life, they live, you know, off the land. | ||
| Almost like an elk. | ||
| Yeah, like a wild animal, essentially. | ||
| Except they're someone's property. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some people have a hard time with that. | ||
| They have a hard time with the idea of property, of an animal being property. | ||
| And I get that too, man. | ||
| Another thing I watched recently was this Penn& Teller from that... | ||
| Do you ever see that show Bullshit? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a great show that they used to do on Showtime, but one of them they did was on PETA and the Animal Liberation Organization or whatever the fuck they call it. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard of that. | ||
| They're freaks, I think. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Violent Arsonists burning down buildings, spray-painting vegan power. | ||
| I mean, just the nuttiest shit. | ||
| But they don't think that people should have pets. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| They don't think... | ||
| And here's one of the best parts about it. | ||
| One of the women that was in this program who works for PETA is also a diabetic. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| This is where you gotta buckle yourself in. | ||
| Because there's only one way you get that diabetes medicine. | ||
| It's from animals. | ||
| So it's an animal product. | ||
| And so she was saying that she didn't think that she was a hypocrite because that product saves her life so she could save more animals. | ||
| Well, guess what, fuckface? | ||
| That's what hunting is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what hunting is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, if you go out and you hunt a wolf, and I'm not into hunting wolves, but they have to control their population. | ||
| I'm not into hunting anything I don't eat. | ||
| Somebody's got to kill them. | ||
| Somebody's got to do it. | ||
| And they're doing it, by the way. | ||
| And also, here's another thing about California. | ||
| California mountain lions are a giant issue. | ||
| There's an article that I posted up recently. | ||
| Pull it up, Jamie, that someone sent me yesterday. | ||
| You cannot hunt mountain lions in California. | ||
| The reason for it is not logical. | ||
| It's all based on people who are animal lovers, who got into a position of power or voted this in. | ||
| Well, the study they're finding, because they kill these mountain lions when they start moving into neighborhoods and killing pets. | ||
| And it's super common. | ||
| What's the number of mountain lions they've killed this year? | ||
| Because it's crazy. | ||
| Okay, here we are. | ||
| 107 mountain lions were killed last year, legally, by the government. | ||
| So that's 107 mountain lions that people didn't get tags for, which means that's money that didn't go into the state coffers, and it didn't go to conservation. | ||
| It's just money. | ||
| It works the opposite. | ||
| The state is paying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The state is paying for something to do. | ||
| So they're going in the hole. | ||
| They're going in the hole instead of going into the profit margin, which is what they normally did. | ||
| I'm in the black and red. | ||
| I'm a colorblind man. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So they analyzed these mountain lions and they found that mostly what they're eating is pets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're eating, fucking, only 5% had eaten deer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, they're going to go with the easiest target. | ||
| Yeah, but that's insane. | ||
| Only five, granted, a lot of these animals, what they're killing, they're already problem animals. | ||
| Well, and what happens with lions is they're so territorial. | ||
| So the younger lions come up and the more dominant lions have their area. | ||
| So the younger ones are forced to go somewhere else. | ||
| They can't really cross. | ||
| So they go somewhere else. | ||
| What's left is cities and neighborhoods and residential. | ||
| And that's where the pets are. | ||
| So, I mean, those are probably juvenile lions mostly. | ||
| And down in there. | ||
| And it's just a matter of time before a little kid gets snatched or whatever. | ||
| And people don't want to talk about that or think about that. | ||
| But that's the reality of it. | ||
| They're just predators. | ||
| They're killers. | ||
| They're going for the easiest target. | ||
| Right now, that's dogs and cats. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They're not hugging each other and crying like we've seen billboards of that either. | ||
| We're going to get into that in a moment. | ||
| But I think this is what I'm trying to get at. | ||
| This is where I think there's a dispute and a misconception. | ||
| And the misconception is that hunters are all these evil people that want to hunt these animals to kill them so they can put them on their wall. | ||
| Almost all of the money that goes to fish and game, fish and wildlife management organizations that protect wetlands, that protect public lands for camping and for people to use and people to enjoy and go hike, the money to support those comes from hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People hate that. | ||
| They hate it. | ||
| But by far, by far, the amount of money that comes from conservation comes from hunting, by far. | ||
| The amount of money that goes for conservation comes from hunting. | ||
| Yeah, for the animals. | ||
| For the animals, for habitat restoration. | ||
| You know, that show we were just at in Utah, they had a mule deer tag that was auctioned off. | ||
| They give, for an antelope island tag, they give two tags. | ||
| One is in the drawing, so you have a very small chance of getting it because there's huge bucks. | ||
| Where is antelope island? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Utah. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly where it is there. | ||
| Is it an actual island? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if it's just a place they call Antelope Island or if it's an actual island. | ||
| Jamie will find out. | ||
| It's a state park? | ||
| Yeah, I knew it was a park, but I didn't know if it was an actual island or not. | ||
| But anyway, so one is a drawing. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Is that the Great Salt Lake there? | ||
| Yeah, so you see that? | ||
| It's out into the Great Salt Lake. | ||
| And it's not a detached island, it doesn't look like. | ||
| It's just a long peninsula. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's a peninsula they call Antelope Island. | ||
| And there's huge bucks, and I think there's sheep there also. | ||
| But the bucks are what draw the money. | ||
| So they auctioned one off, and it went for $410,000 for one deer tag. | ||
| And most of that money, 90%, 10% goes to funding the auction and doing all the things that's required there. | ||
| 90% of that $410,000 goes right to habitat restoration on the island, building water sources, enhancing those, relocating animals off that peninsula there because the genetics are so good, the bucks are big. | ||
| And the sheep are big. | ||
| So they relocate those superior genetics throughout Utah. | ||
| So then you might not draw that tag or you might not have $410,000, but those genetics are spread throughout Utah. | ||
| So they're spread in areas where general hunters have the access to. | ||
| And it's all positive. | ||
| It's all positive for the state park. | ||
| And anti-hunters will say, well, if you really cared about the animals, you just do the $410,000 and not go hunting. | ||
| Well, it's true. | ||
| Why doesn't an anti-hunter do that? | ||
| Well, here's a part of the problem. | ||
| There's a bunch of problems with all these discussions, and a big part of it is that the people that are arguing against the hunting, they don't regularly go into the wild, into these habitats, into these environments, and see how brutally hard they are for these animals to survive anyway. | ||
| It's not like, if you kill a buck, and that buck lived to be five years old, You might be taking a year off its life. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There's no hundred-year-old deer out there that'll live a long, great life. | ||
| And this is the idea. | ||
| One of the parts of hunting that actually aids in conservation is when you get a mature buck and you harvest that mature buck... | ||
| You're allowing the younger deer to breed where they might not have gotten the opportunity. | ||
| And you're also, in a lot of cases, saving their lives because they get killed in fights with older deer. | ||
| Like a lot of deer die from fights. | ||
| People find them all the time. | ||
| They literally stab each other to death. | ||
| They don't have those antlers to look cool. | ||
| No. | ||
| They don't have those antlers. | ||
| They slam into each other. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| Same with elk. | ||
| Yeah, same with elk. | ||
| I mean, when you and I were in Colorado, it was one of the coolest fucking things we saw. | ||
| Remember when we went down near that little creek area, there was a huge herd of 20 elk together, and those elk were duking it out and slamming it into each other? | ||
| Oh, it's amazing! | ||
| Well... | ||
| Here's another thing that I don't think anti-hunters realize. | ||
| You know, you go out for an extended period, and the killing, the actual killing, is such a small part of the hunt. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's those experiences. | ||
| Like, when we saw those bulls fighting, and we saw, I think there were seven bulls, and there was one nice bull, a 350-class bull. | ||
| He was a herd bull. | ||
| But there's satellite bulls spread throughout. | ||
| He kept them pushed out. | ||
| And they were jostling around. | ||
| And we were there. | ||
| We didn't kill anything. | ||
| But the experience of that night was one I'll never forget. | ||
| We had a bull sneak in behind us to 15 yards. | ||
| And a nice bull. | ||
| A bull that would have been a great bull for you to kill. | ||
| And it didn't happen. | ||
| But it was just like the adrenaline of that experience. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| He was right there behind the bush. | ||
| I mean, right there. | ||
| He was so close. | ||
| Screaming. | ||
| But nothing died. | ||
| No. | ||
| But we were predators. | ||
| We were predators. | ||
| They were prey. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| That's life. | ||
| That's life in the mountains, right? | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| Even if we didn't have a bow, even if we weren't there to kill anything, if we just had calls, if we were just calling them in, it would have been an amazing experience. | ||
| Because when you were there with essentially as wild an animal as you're ever going to get, I mean, a North American elk is a 1,000 pound, gigantic, wild animal with a tree grown out of its head, and it's living the way it's lived for thousands of years. | ||
| And you, you know, you as a person who lives in Oregon, and me as a person who lives in California, we travel onto their land, we hike in to where they're at, and we experience this wild existence that they live in. | ||
| And we don't want to stop that. | ||
| We're not trying to kill them off. | ||
| We want more of them. | ||
| And this is the idea of killing a mature one. | ||
| You want to take out an animal that does not have much time left, and you help the rest of the animal survive because of that. | ||
| You make it so that the younger bulls have a chance to thrive and breed. | ||
| Otherwise, they're pushed out. | ||
| Yeah, they're pushed out. | ||
| And they're not doing anything. | ||
| But I will say one thing. | ||
| So you said... | ||
| Even if we wouldn't have had weapons, it would still have been amazing. | ||
| But to me, it would have been different. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It would have been different because if I'm just an observer, internally, I feel a lot different. | ||
| I feel like I'm a predator when I have a weapon. | ||
| So I don't know if I would have worked as hard, if I would have cared as much, if we were just... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because if you remember that, we snuck down, we were sneaking, or I mean, we were on our butts, kind of scooting down, and the two bulls were jostling around right there, kind of sparring a little bit, and we had a small window through the brush, and I was like, you were right here, and I was looking at him like, I said, Can you see that window? | ||
| Do you see that window where you can get that arrow through? | ||
| And it was just that and the intensity of that moment. | ||
| So you're a predator. | ||
| That's your prey. | ||
| How can you ethically kill it? | ||
| That's where all it comes down to. | ||
| I mean, that's why we're there. | ||
| To me, that's everything. | ||
| You know, it's just that crunch time moment. | ||
| Well, this is one of the most ridiculous things that you see when I look at your Instagram or even my Instagram. | ||
| I rarely post a picture of a dead animal just because of that. | ||
| I'll post fish all day long and nobody gives a shit. | ||
| Nobody gives a fuck about fish. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| It's hilarious, the hierarchy. | ||
| Well, fish, they're not alive, are they? | ||
| I hear they are. | ||
| I believe they are. | ||
| But if you post a picture of an elk or, God forbid, a bear, people lose their fucking minds. | ||
| And one of the things that people love to say, as if it's an original thought, it's one of those things that... | ||
| It's usually not. | ||
| They usually say, yeah, you're such a big man. | ||
| How about you do that without a weapon? | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Without a... | ||
| What hunter has ever killed anything in the history of man... | ||
| We're still men, right? | ||
| That's why hunters are shit. | ||
| That's why hunters are shit. | ||
| Tell me a hunter, even a caveman, that ever killed without a weapon of some sort. | ||
| What are they talking about? | ||
| They're not talking about anything. | ||
| They're just talking. | ||
| They're just trying to demean you. | ||
| And I go to their fucking page and one of them, this guy was feeding his animals meat. | ||
| And I'm like, did that shit come from a meat tree? | ||
| He's like, this guy was shitting all over you. | ||
| And then I go to his page and he's got dogs! | ||
| He's got dogs and he's feeding them meat! | ||
| I'm like, oh man, there's some fucking convenient thinking going on here. | ||
| It's so strange how many people have these convenient patterns of thought where they're self-righteous, they take the moral high ground. | ||
| Now look, the only person that has any say, the only person that has a leg to stand on is a person who's a vegan, who doesn't eat any animal products. | ||
| Any animal products, okay? | ||
| That's a small percentage of the population, but if they want to criticize it, and they have an argument, they have a very small leg to stand on. | ||
| Now, when you have a conversation with them, that's when that argument kind of falls apart. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Because, okay, if they're hardcore vegan, fine. | ||
| But are they growing their own vegetables? | ||
| Very few. | ||
| Because if they're not, they still are responsible for animals dying. | ||
| If you've ever driven by... | ||
| If you've ever been into farmland and, say, where a field's been harvested... | ||
| Once the field's harvested, you'll notice buzzards flying around that field. | ||
| Do you know why? | ||
| Because there's a bunch of dead animals out there. | ||
| There's rabbits that were killed during the harvest. | ||
| There's mice. | ||
| There's also... | ||
| Fawns. | ||
| Birds. | ||
| Big problem with deer. | ||
| Grouse. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I mean, those, you know, the combines or whatever they're using out there is just tearing everything up. | ||
| And animals are dying. | ||
| So you can... | ||
| Unless you're growing your own vegetables, unless you're a do-it-yourself vegan... | ||
| You're responsible for animals dying. | ||
| If your house isn't made of wood, because if it's made of wood, there's timber harvested, and when that timber was harvested, animals die. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| Well, also, their habitat's displaced. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, people... | ||
| Well, I think with their ideas, they want to do the least harm possible. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But a lot of them already came from a background where they eat meat. | ||
| Like, I had this one guy who was fucking arguing with me. | ||
| Well, he didn't argue with me. | ||
| He was giving me all this grief. | ||
| And then he admits that he was a meat-eater just seven months ago. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's been a vegan for seven months. | ||
| He's fucking 40! | ||
| So for 39 years and three months, this motherfucker... | ||
| Five months. | ||
| Whatever it was. | ||
| How bad is my math? | ||
| So this guy, for all these... | ||
| You were very quick, though. | ||
| Your math is very quick. | ||
| But my point is... | ||
| For a brain dead hunter. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| Seven months ago, you were a fucking vegan and you were a meat eater and you were shitting all over these people. | ||
| But it's a moral high ground. | ||
| It is. | ||
| They elevate themselves. | ||
| They're above us because we're redneck hunters, right? | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| I had this kid. | ||
| He looked like he was maybe younger, 20s, but he's very passionate about his stance on what's right and what's wrong. | ||
| And so I went to his page, same as you. | ||
| I see a bunch of hot dogs on the grill. | ||
| And I was like, dude, enjoy those hot dogs, but before you judge me or condemn me, why don't you live a little? | ||
| You're 20 years old. | ||
| What the hell do you know about anything? | ||
| And all of a sudden, you know what's right and wrong, and he's like, he says, I'm going to have to answer for this, or karma, or some crazy thing. | ||
| I'm like, what do you know? | ||
| You haven't even lived yet. | ||
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Well, not only that, hot dogs are probably the worst. | |
| This is one of the worst. | ||
| I mean, that is ground assholes and cow dicks. | ||
| It's probably one of the worst things you can fucking eat, too. | ||
| Filled with nitrites and nitrates and whatever's bad for you. | ||
| I understand that they're trying to work it out for themselves. | ||
| And working it out for themselves, a lot of times people want to condemn people that are living a lifestyle that's outside of theirs. | ||
| They decide, hey, I'm going to live this small carbon footprint lifestyle where I'm going to be humane and I'm ethical and I'm going to be cruelty-free, hashtag cruelty-free, and I'm going to go on. | ||
| It's like hashtag cruelty-free. | ||
| It's like they want to tell you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Half of them have fucking vegan in their names, which is hilarious. | ||
| Vegan this, vegan that, healthy happy, vegan fucking, vegan flower child. | ||
| But it's a part of their name. | ||
| It's a big part of their identity. | ||
| And it becomes like a cult. | ||
| And I don't mean it like, you know, you have to fucking initiation and pay dues. | ||
| But I mean, it's like you're a part of a gang. | ||
| And people have a tendency to do that, good or bad. | ||
| They have a tendency. | ||
| Hunters have a tendency to do it. | ||
| People who fucking use Windows have a tendency to do it. | ||
| I don't like Apple. | ||
| I like fucking Windows. | ||
| And if you use Apple, you're a piece of shit. | ||
| Well, but hunters don't have the hate that these anti-hunting vegans have. | ||
| They don't... | ||
| I mean, hunters don't go to their pages and... | ||
| And shit on them for eating vegetables? | ||
| No. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Live your life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I get where their thought process starts. | ||
| They think they're doing the right thing, I believe. | ||
| They think they're doing the right thing, yes. | ||
| And there's a lot... | ||
| This is another thing I want to point out. | ||
| And I went on this Twitter page discussion the other day. | ||
| I went on this rant. | ||
| I don't hate vegans. | ||
| I have vegans that are friends. | ||
| And I know I'm not lumping everybody in. | ||
| There's a small percentage of people that are assholes, that are arrogant and outspoken and really aggressive and mean and shitty. | ||
| And where's the cruelty-free there? | ||
| Why are you being cruel to other people that are living? | ||
| Look around the world. | ||
| Go outside and drive for 20 minutes, and I guarantee you, you're gonna pass 30, 40 places that have dead animals in them. | ||
| Every fucking supermarket you pass by, every fast food place, every restaurant, every gas station that has Slim Jims at the fucking counter, all of that is animals. | ||
| So for you to find a hunter, the one person that you could point to that probably kills animals in the most ethical and humane way possible, And contributes. | ||
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In the wild. | |
| And contributes. | ||
| And pays money to play part of the conservation role. | ||
| And people will hear these podcasts, all you fucking guys do is justify what you do. | ||
| If you have to justify it, maybe there's something wrong. | ||
| No. | ||
| The arguments are tiresome. | ||
| There's a guy that's coming on next week. | ||
| His name is, how do you say his name? | ||
| Tovar? | ||
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Tovar. | |
| Cerulli? | ||
| Tovar Cerulli? | ||
| Cerulli. | ||
| He's an author and a guy who used to be a vegan who's not a hunter. | ||
| And panties will be bunched. | ||
| They will get sandy and tweets will be tweeted. | ||
| It's gonna get crazy. | ||
| I just think that podcasts like this and conversations like this with a guy like you, like I think what you do is the best way to do it. | ||
| I mean I've said this time and time again. | ||
| What you do is the best way to do it because what you're doing, first of all, it's the most difficult way to do it and you prepare your body for it in a very fucking grueling fashion. | ||
| We worked out before we got here and you work out every day and one of the reasons why you work out every day is fucking going through the mountains is hard as shit. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is hard, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never knew. | ||
| Until I went with Ronella, the first time we went up to the Missouri Breaks, we were climbing the mountains for seven hours a day. | ||
| I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| This is not going to the gym and getting on the elliptical machine. | ||
| This is fucking constant, and it's all day. | ||
| And if you're packing shit, you have to be strong. | ||
| You have to be physically strong. | ||
| You do. | ||
| I mean, and you remember in Colorado when we were huffing it up that ridge, you know, we were at the bottom of the canyon, heard a bull bugling, is the bull you killed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This dude takes off like a fucking mountain goat. | ||
| I'm in pretty goddamn good shape. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| He's not even breathing as fuck. | ||
| He gets to the top of the mountain. | ||
| That's how you saw the bull. | ||
| It's at the top of the mountain. | ||
| You spotted it. | ||
| Well, the sun was going down. | ||
| We had a lot of elements going. | ||
| I could tell the bull was a good bull just by his bugle. | ||
| And we'd been huffing it down there, trying to get on a bull that was bugling. | ||
| We never could get eyes on him. | ||
| But then I heard what sounded like a mature bull. | ||
| And then the sun going down. | ||
| And that's why you train. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's the exact situation. | ||
| You're coming out of a hole. | ||
| You're climbing 9,000 feet. | ||
| The air's thin there. | ||
| And it's a race against time, essentially. | ||
| But, I mean, we made it work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are able to close the distance in a much more efficient way because of all your training. | ||
| And that was a good example. | ||
| Another good example of it was the pack-out. | ||
| I mean, we're packing out a lot of fucking weight, man. | ||
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Yeah, right. | |
| This asshole has two fucking elk quarters in his backpack. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| 180 pounds? | ||
| I mean, how much is that? | ||
| Heavy. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Heavy as shit. | ||
| You basically have me on your back, and you're walking a mile with this, you know? | ||
| And there's one. | ||
| There's a photo. | ||
| I'm sure I have some photos of us from this very trip that we're talking about. | ||
| We're packing these things out. | ||
| But the point is, what you're doing to acquire, when you have an elk steak, and you sit down with this, and I had this conversation with Remy Warren about it, where he's like, it's almost like a religious experience. | ||
| He's like, this is a precious piece of meat. | ||
| I've gone into the wilderness. | ||
| Invested. | ||
| I've harvested this animal and I have a precious piece of meat. | ||
| He goes, and I treat it almost like a baby. | ||
| He goes, I season this and I cook it perfectly. | ||
| And he has this intensely intimate connection. | ||
| And I do with the animal that we killed. | ||
| That animal that you and I killed, when I eat that thing, I think of our time together. | ||
| I think of how difficult the hunt is. | ||
| I think of how crazy the environment is. | ||
| How beautiful the experience is. | ||
| There's so much more to it than going to a store and buying a squash. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, and this is what people need to understand. | ||
| Or even buying a steak. | ||
| Well, buying a steak, sure, but even a vegan or a vegetarian, but your vegetables, you're disconnected from these vegetables for the most part. | ||
| Most people are. | ||
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| With the food that you eat, even if you grow it yourself. | ||
| Like, my wife gardens, and I do as well, and she does it more than I do, but we'll have salad from something that we grew in our garden, and it's awesome, man. | ||
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| It's awesome. | ||
| Like, we're chopping tomatoes that we planted as seeds, and we fertilized the ground, and we watered it, and it came up, and we picked the tomato, and now we're slicing into it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| The whole process. | ||
| The whole process. | ||
| And that's where the hunt, that's where the hunt, where the training and the preparation And the reverence for the animal and the harvest of the animal and the care of the meat. | ||
| And you get it to your house and you put it in your freezer and then you thawed. | ||
| That whole process is right. | ||
| I'll agree with Remy. | ||
| There is reverence to it. | ||
| And it means so much. | ||
| And for a hunter, I think just being a provider and just being, like I always say, self-sufficient and doing it is hard. | ||
| It's a lot easier to go to the store and say, hey, here's some of my money. | ||
| Can I have that meat? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Somebody else did all that. | ||
| All the stuff we just talked about, somebody else did that with no reverence. | ||
| And I'm eating it with no reverence. | ||
| So to do it on your own is... | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| It's what I prepare for every day, and it just means so much. | ||
| Well, it's enriching in a very strange way that I never experienced in my life until I started hunting. | ||
| I'd never had this kind of connection with my food, except for maybe going fishing. | ||
| You know, this last summer, I took my kids to Hawaii and my kids love fishing. | ||
| My little girls love it. | ||
| It's fun because, you know, they can put a line in the water and when they catch something and then we're cooking it and eating it later, they're like, we caught this! | ||
| And they keep saying, like, mommy, we caught this fish that you're eating. | ||
| Like, there's like a primal connection to this thing. | ||
| But other than that, I had never experienced this sort of primal connection to your food. | ||
| All, you know, nonsense aside, like, there's a difference between a fish and a mammal. | ||
| There just is. | ||
| And there's a big difference between the reverence that you have for, in my opinion, the most majestic of animals that you hunt, which is elk. | ||
| I think it's the most majestic. | ||
| They're mythical creatures, man. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| Sheep are up there, you know, where they live and the regalness. | ||
| But elk is a... | ||
| Just because they're so iconic throughout the West. | ||
| A big bull elk is just what, you know, when you envision the West, you envision mountains, you think of a big bull elk. | ||
| And then you say, I'm going to hunt this with my bow. | ||
| It's intense. | ||
| It's fucking hard to do, too. | ||
| And goddamn, you forget me addicted to this shit. | ||
| It's a real problem. | ||
| I'll text him every now and then. | ||
| Like, I'm in the middle of doing something. | ||
| I'm like, I wish I was bow hunting. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| This is boring. | ||
| I'd rather even just shoot, we shot at a rubber target today. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| I have a rubber elk that sits up on my hill, and we did a little FaceTime video where we were out there doing it, but just shooting at that rubber elk is cool. | ||
| That's what I would say. | ||
| You can take anybody. | ||
| You can take the coolest person you know. | ||
| Just sit here and think, who's the coolest person I know, or who's the coolest girl I know? | ||
| You take that person, you put a bow in their hand, and you get them shooting a bow, they're cooler. | ||
| I mean, shooting a bow makes you more of a badass. | ||
| I prefer girls that don't like to hunt. | ||
| That way they don't want to come with me. | ||
| No, I don't want them to hunt. | ||
| They don't complain while they're up there. | ||
| I don't want them to hunt. | ||
| I just want them to shoot a bow. | ||
| Don't screw up my hunt. | ||
| No, I'm kidding. | ||
| Sexism in hunting. | ||
| Does it exist? | ||
| It does. | ||
| Next on Oprah. | ||
| No, on Dr. Drew. | ||
| He would love that. | ||
| He would get me on there and just crucify me. | ||
| And he would get a bunch of girls who don't know anything about hunting to yell at you. | ||
| Like they did. | ||
| A lot of big opinions. | ||
| When we got back from Brazil, it was right when this whole Cecil the Lion shit was going down. | ||
| And these people wanted to have a hunter on to yell at, essentially. | ||
| And I was telling you, don't do it. | ||
| And the first time you didn't do it, I got you to leave. | ||
| I was in the green room. | ||
| I was. | ||
| I was in the green room and getting ready for hair and makeup. | ||
| And it just like wasn't feeling good. | ||
| Yeah, I'm glad you talked to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm glad we had a conversation. | ||
| So I left, but then I did go on. | ||
| Yes, you did go on later. | ||
| But it was after the smoke had settled. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| And you went on with a conversation about ethical acquisition of meat. | ||
| And, you know, Dr. Drew eats meat. | ||
| A lot of those people on that show eat meat. | ||
| It's just bizarre. | ||
| It's a bizarre conversation. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| I mean, that show, whatever. | ||
| The show is around because of controversy. | ||
| Well, one of the fucking hilarious things in the show was the woman who was saying that the reason why there's not so many grizzlies is because we've killed off all their predators. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Which means dinosaurs, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, saber-toothed tigers. | ||
| What the fuck eats a grizzly?! | ||
| Jesus Christ, have you ever seen a grizzly lady? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's nothing eating them. | ||
| Except other grizzlies. | ||
| They're pretty much the top of the food chain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, I mean, well, we are, but they're not really on the same page that we think we are, they think they are, so there's a little bit of a conflict there. | ||
| There's a huge conflict. | ||
| I mean, essentially it's like two different kingdoms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're on the top of the food chain in the wild kingdom. | ||
| We can get them in their world, but we gotta get the fuck out as quick as we can. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We can only exist in their world for a couple weeks at the most. | ||
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| And then we're like, okay, we got to get back to an actual bed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I need to take some vitamins. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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| Well, according to the woman from... | ||
| Goddamn it, my brain is foggy today after working out. | ||
| What's her name from Life Below Zero? | ||
| Sue Akins. | ||
| Sue Akins said that she saw a bunch of wolves run down a young grizzly and kill it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| She said a young grizzly was coming out of its den, and when they come out of their den, they're kind of weak, and these wolves knew it. | ||
| So they chased after it, and they were biting its legs, and they're chasing down. | ||
| And it happened like a fucking hundred yards from her house. | ||
| A hundred yards from her house. | ||
| It's not like she lives in L.A. here, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| This lady is so badass. | ||
| Yeah, she's intense. | ||
| She is the most gangster woman on the planet. | ||
| She really is. | ||
| I have massive respect for her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's just so cool, too. | ||
| She came in, and it's not like she's some weird loner who hates people. | ||
| She loves people, but she prefers to live in one of the harshest climates on the planet, 200 miles above the Arctic Circle. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| She's so badass. | ||
| You know how much tougher she is than probably 99% of the men that live here in LA? She's tougher than me, I'll tell you that. | ||
| This is what this lady did. | ||
| She got attacked by a bear. | ||
| The bear tore her apart, okay? | ||
| Broke her leg, broke her hip, cracked her skull. | ||
| She had to crawl back to her house. | ||
| The bear was just fucking her up because she was in its territory. | ||
| This bear mauled her, right? | ||
| She lived. | ||
| She managed to live. | ||
| She got back to her house. | ||
| She was stuck for days. | ||
| She couldn't walk. | ||
| Her leg was broken. | ||
| She was stuck. | ||
| She couldn't get to the phone, okay? | ||
| She couldn't lift herself up. | ||
| She had to wait for someone to find her. | ||
| So these people found her. | ||
| I think it was seven days later. | ||
| She got healed up, went back, shot that bear, and ate it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That bitch is so gangster. | ||
| I say bitch with all due respect. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| She's so gangster. | ||
| Well, let me expand on something before I get people hating me for... | ||
| Women bowhunters. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| We're joking around, folks. | ||
| We are a little bit. | ||
| I love that women hunt. | ||
| I love that everybody hunt. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| I'm taking Dana Lesh. | ||
| Bow hunting for bear this year. | ||
| Me and Eva have been talking about getting together for a hunt, so just all joking around. | ||
| I do just like people shooting bows. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you can envision this, if Obama shot a bow, I'd probably think he was cooler. | ||
| And that is amazing. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| Eva Shockey, you should say who Eva is too, by the way. | ||
| She's the daughter of Jim Shockey, who's been on the show, who's an amazing, fascinating guy, who has a show, even if you don't like hunting, there's an amazing show called Uncharted. | ||
| And it's barely about hunting. | ||
| It's really about different cultures. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this guy goes to all these... | ||
| This guy, Jim Shockey, is as cool and interesting as it gets. | ||
| He is just a fascinating, fascinating guy. | ||
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| And he travels to these remote places in the middle of Russia, and he went to Afghanistan, and he went to Africa to this remote village that has a massive problem with crocodiles. | ||
| And it was an incredible show. | ||
| It's an hour-long show. | ||
| I mean, it could be on the Discovery Channel... | ||
| It could be on HBO. It could be on anything. | ||
| It just so happens, it's on... | ||
| Is it on the Outdoorsman's channel? | ||
| Outdoor Channel. | ||
| Outdoor Channel. | ||
| And this guy goes to this place, and you're seeing these people, like half the people in the village have been mauled. | ||
| I mean, people are missing arms, they're missing legs, their faces have been cut open because they're getting killed by crocodiles left and right. | ||
| And while he was there filming, a woman got taken by a crocodile. | ||
| They've set up these sort of rudimentary fences that they've put in place to keep the crocodiles out of this area where these people gather water. | ||
| And he's there with these other hunters where they're trying to take out... | ||
| Once a crocodile apparently starts eating people, you've got to kill it. | ||
| They've got a taste for it. | ||
| Well, they got a taste for it, and they realize how easy it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, a wildebeest can fuck up a crocodile a little bit. | ||
| You know, you can throw a kick at it and break its jaw. | ||
| I mean, a crocodile is an incredibly tough and durable animal, but a wildebeest is a tough scrap. | ||
| It's a big animal. | ||
| You gotta work for that. | ||
| It might not work out. | ||
| A person? | ||
| God, man, we're made out of jello. | ||
| We're jello and popsicle sticks. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Well, and I hunted crocodile. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| I mean, they are... | ||
| They're tough. | ||
| Where'd you hunt crocodile? | ||
| In Africa. | ||
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| Yeah, in Tanzania. | ||
| I wanted to kill one. | ||
| And so to get within bow range, you have to build a blind. | ||
| And they come up, you know, their eyes are just above the water. | ||
| And for a bow, they have like two bumps. | ||
| They got a bump above their eye, then one back here. | ||
| You have to be like right below that or right in between. | ||
| You're shooting at about a 50 cent piece size. | ||
| You have to brain them. | ||
| Because if you hit them in the lungs, they're in the water and then they sink. | ||
| You don't get them. | ||
| So if you're going to hunt a crocodile with a bow, it has to be brain shot, drop them. | ||
| So to do that, you have to get them up off the shore, right? | ||
| Could never happen. | ||
| Built a blind, had the bait up. | ||
| It was just, like, so hard to do that. | ||
| But one of the guys I was with killed one with a rifle, and we ate it, and the meat is amazing. | ||
| Well, it's supposed to be the highest protein meat you can get. | ||
| Like, alligator and crocodile are supposed to be, like, ounce per ounce. | ||
| One of the highest in protein content. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I mean, it was so good, too. | ||
| But, yeah, they are... | ||
| They're smart. | ||
| They're tough. | ||
| I don't think they're smart. | ||
| I think they're stupid as fuck. | ||
| Well, try to kill them. | ||
| I just think they know how to not get killed. | ||
| They have a couple calculations they make in their brain. | ||
| Is that a person? | ||
| Yeah, fuck this dude. | ||
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I'm in the water. | |
| Okay, their brain is very small. | ||
| I'll give you that because it's a small target. | ||
| But if you're trying to hunt them, you're going to think they're smart. | ||
| If you're going to do a crossword puzzle with them, probably not that smart. | ||
| They're fascinating though, man. | ||
| I want to give a shout out not only to Jim Shockey because he is the ultimate savage. | ||
| Love Jim and love Eva, but their son, Branlon. | ||
| Yeah, Branlon is the mastermind behind the shooting of that show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As far as filming and the production value and what you see on TV, that's Branlon Shockey. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I think he could film the best Hollywood film Movie you've ever seen. | ||
| He could do that. | ||
| He has that talent and right now he's doing it on the Outdoor Channel So that's if nothing else go and watch his work Yeah on the on that show and the new show Uncharted Uncharted which is amazing in the new show Carter's war with Carter's war is all about this guy who's combating against poaching in Africa and And it's all about stopping poachers from killing rhinos and elephants and all these different animals that they're killing in Africa. | ||
| And so it's like not really a hunting show as much as it's just a pure conservation show about a guy who's trying to stop poaching in Africa. | ||
| And it's amazing and gritty and incredibly well documented and shot and just... | ||
| Man, the world of Africa, if you want to watch a documentary, and I've mentioned this before to people, so I'm sorry if you've heard it before, but our friend Louis Theroux, who's been on the show before, who's an amazing documentary guy, documentarian from the UK, did a show on these hunting ranches in Africa, which is very different from what you did in Africa. | ||
| What you did in Africa, you went to the actual wild of Africa, not a high fence operation. | ||
| But these hunting ranches that they have set up in Africa, it's such a catch-22. | ||
| There's so much contradiction going on because on one hand, these animals are trapped in this... | ||
| It's usually enormous, like several thousand acre area. | ||
| It can be, yeah. | ||
| Where they're trapped in these areas and they're hunted. | ||
| And people call it a canned hunt. | ||
| And a lot of people have a lot of hate for it. | ||
| But on the other hand, the animals that they're hunting... | ||
| Have never been healthier in higher numbers, and a lot of them were on the verge of extinction until they started implementing these high-fence operations. | ||
| And it goes back to the same thing we were talking about. | ||
| The money for conservation, the real money that these people are getting in Africa, is coming from hunting. | ||
| That's what's paying for these animals to survive, because so many people are going over there to hunt. | ||
| And people say- Because the animals have value. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| And that's a fucking weird concept for people. | ||
| If an animal doesn't have value, it's probably going to be extinct. | ||
| That's why hunters care, that's why conservationists care, because the animal is valuable. | ||
| Whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, when there's value, people care. | ||
| And people have an understanding today that they didn't have this several hundred years ago. | ||
| Like when people look at the gigantic mounds of buffalo skulls, that's a perfect example why you need conservation. | ||
| You can't just have people run out and kill these animals that have value with no consequence or with no monitoring of the herd populations and health. | ||
| That's when you get these horrific mass extinction events like what happened with the buffalo. | ||
| And the buffalo were basically brought to the verge of extinction. | ||
| Now, they're in healthy populations to the point where you can actually, in some places, you can hunt wild ones. | ||
| And the same thing can be said of elk. | ||
| The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation has done an amazing job of repopulating areas with elk where they were, at one point in time, completely eradicated. | ||
| Well, did you know that when you talk elk, deer, turkey... | ||
| When you talk, there's more of those species now than there's ever been. | ||
| Is that true with elk? | ||
| Because I know it is with whitetail deer. | ||
| There's more whitetail deer today than when Columbus landed. | ||
| But I don't know if that's the case with elk because there's more places where they don't exist. | ||
| I think like most of the area where, like Steve Rinella did a whole show on this recently, where most of the area where elk used to be, they're not. | ||
| But in the areas where they are, they're in healthy populations. | ||
| Well, Jamie, can you look this up? | ||
| Yeah, look this up. | ||
| Look it up about elk. | ||
| Elk populations. | ||
| Because I'm almost positive there's more now. | ||
| See, elk are... | ||
| And probably Rinello would know, so maybe you know if he's been on the show, but elk are, they're plains animals originally. | ||
| They're pushed into the mountains because the plains, that's where we live. | ||
| We live where there's water and in the valleys, that's where humans set up their cities and that's, you know, to get, use the rivers and we need water. | ||
| So they have been pushed and now they're mountain animals. | ||
| But now there's elk where there hasn't been elk before, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, you know, places like that. | ||
| So maybe they're Maybe there are more places than they've ever been, but I'm almost certain there's even more elk. | ||
| But whatever the case. | ||
| I don't even think there are more places than they've ever been. | ||
| I think it's the ones that are there are in healthier populations than they used to be. | ||
| But I think elk are a lot like buffalo in that at one point in time, like hundreds of years ago, they were just shooting the shit out of them. | ||
| They almost eradicated them. | ||
| Oh right, I know. | ||
| And now they're bounced back and they're healthy everywhere. | ||
| And where'd that money come from, Cameron Haynes? | ||
| I want to say hunters? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. | ||
| They've done a fantastic job. | ||
| And they've been on the forefront of protecting habitat. | ||
| So I know they've been over 6 million acres protected. | ||
| I think maybe close to 7 million now or maybe even over. | ||
| I haven't kept track recently. | ||
| But that's 7 million acres that can never be used for anything else other than habitat for animals. | ||
| And that's not just elk. | ||
| That's deer too. | ||
| Elk numbers across six states. | ||
| So how are we looking there? | ||
| Yeah, see, this is across states, but I think maybe we could keep looking. | ||
| So it says, see that? | ||
| American elk populations dwindled to less than 100,000 by the early 1990s. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| And now, in 2009, grew to 1,031,000. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| So the 1990s? | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| It was down to 100,000 in the 1990s. | ||
| Wow, that's terrifying. | ||
| Like, that's the verge of extinction in our lifetime. | ||
| Not just in our lifetime, but when we were both men. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, during that time... | ||
| Wait, no, that can't be right. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| No, the early 19... | ||
| No, that's got to be 1890s. | ||
| Where does it say that? | ||
| Doesn't it? | ||
| See the last word of the first paragraph? | ||
| By 1984, there was an estimated 715,000 elk in North America. | ||
| No, right above there. | ||
| The last word of the first paragraph. | ||
| Fortunately, uh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. | ||
| American Elk Population. | ||
| Less than $100,000 in the early 1990s. | ||
| It says 1990s. | ||
| No, that can't be 1990s. | ||
| Is it incorrect? | ||
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I get what he's saying, but yeah, it might be a mistype. | |
| I think that's 1890s. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it says... | ||
| By 1984. By 84, there's 750, so it wouldn't have went all the way back down. | ||
| Right, yeah, yeah, that must be a typo. | ||
| But anyway, so the point... | ||
| Well, that's a dumb typo. | ||
| Who's fucking Go... | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Gohunt.com. | ||
| See, I don't necessarily trust a lot of these hunting sites for things like that. | ||
| Like, that's a... | ||
| I trust them when they support the point I'm trying to prove. | ||
| Yeah, but that's a fuck-up! | ||
| That's a giant fuck-up. | ||
| Somebody should email that site. | ||
| Somebody who's listening, please email that site and let them know. | ||
| Let's get that fixed. | ||
| I think it's supposed to be 1890s, and I would say less than 100,000, and now it's over a million. | ||
| So that's where I get the point that I was making. | ||
| I think before people really colonized the West, I think they were everywhere. | ||
| I think that's what Rinello was saying. | ||
| Maybe so. | ||
| I think what he was saying was that they're not in 90% of the places they used to be in. | ||
| But the places they're in... | ||
| They're thriving. | ||
| They're thriving, yeah. | ||
| And this is a really important point when it comes to... | ||
| We were talking about grizzly bears. | ||
| People say, like, the grizzly bears are almost extinct. | ||
| In Santa Monica, yes, you're right. | ||
| They're almost extinct. | ||
| In California, they only live in California anymore. | ||
| Not a ton in California. | ||
| Go to Alaska, they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| And there's a lot of them, folks. | ||
| In Alaska, which is twice the size of Texas, it's a goddamn enormous state, and they are big, and there's a lot of them. | ||
| And they decimate herds of caribou, elk, and they estimate that something around where John and Jen live in Alberta, more than 50% of the moose are killed at birth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| By bears. | ||
| That's where the bears, they follow, so a cow moose is pregnant. | ||
| It's going to drop the calf, right? | ||
| And so bears will know that moose is pregnant, know she's going to be dropping a calf, they follow her. | ||
| As soon as she drops a calf, right there. | ||
| Kill it and eat it. | ||
| That's how they get her. | ||
| They just follow the moose around. | ||
| And sometimes not even then. | ||
| A lot of times they're pulling it out of the cow's body. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, they're brutal. | ||
| I mean, life in the wild, it's not a fairy tale out there. | ||
| It's a real deal. | ||
| It's life and death. | ||
| And so they're doing, they're just going to kill. | ||
| They're going to kill. | ||
| That's all they care about. | ||
| They're going to kill, eat. | ||
| That's how they survive. | ||
| And there's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| I'm not going to judge them. | ||
| But yeah, so where I was, I was in 16 in Alaska, and a non-resident can kill two brown bear, which are basically salmon-fed grizzly bear, and three black bear. | ||
| So you can go up there and kill five bear. | ||
| Which I wanted to do. | ||
| But don't think that I'm bloodthirsty. | ||
| Think that I want to help the moose and I like the bear meat. | ||
| So I didn't do it. | ||
| But I mean, that's... | ||
| Well, you killed three. | ||
| I killed three. | ||
| But that gives you an example of how many bears there are. | ||
| And this is by biologists who are paid and who have went to school and who have studied the carrying capacity of the land and how many animals... | ||
| They determine this. | ||
| This isn't hunters determining this. | ||
| This is Alaska fishing game. | ||
| So that's where I have a problem with the people who think they know better than people who, this is their passion, this is what they care about, they have boots on the ground, they're doing it, they're setting the bag limits. | ||
| So if you don't live there and study this and this has been your life mission, you don't know more than them. | ||
| Well, they're wildlife biologists. | ||
| And by the way, if those populations aren't kept at a healthy level, they send in people that they pay to kill these animals. | ||
| And this is an important factor. | ||
| And this is what we're talking about with California, because California doesn't have a hunting season for mountain lions. | ||
| So they have to pay people to go in and kill these mountain lions. | ||
| They're not just letting the mountain lions live. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| If they become a problem, they're taking them out. | ||
| They just don't want to deal with the backlash. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| That's it. | ||
| So they're just avoiding the backlash. | ||
| Not doing it quietly. | ||
| It's not for the betterment of the animal or, you know, the ecosystem or anything like that. | ||
| It's just because they don't want to deal with the drama. | ||
| And then you get these people. | ||
| Well, they were here first. | ||
| Where were they are? | ||
| No, they weren't. | ||
| First of all, that mountain lion's five, okay? | ||
| I was here way before that fuck. | ||
| And they, as in they, come on, stop. | ||
| The whole place was covered in ice 10,000 years ago. | ||
| So shut up. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Who is they? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| This is the world we're living in right now. | ||
| It's 2016 and a mountain lion ate this fucking dude's cat. | ||
| So what are we going to do? | ||
| Are we going to just let the mountain lion eat his kid now? | ||
| Because it would. | ||
| If you leave that kid on the swing and you go in to fucking answer your email real quick and you come back, your kid's not gone, you see that fucking tail hop over the fence. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| That's the wild. | ||
| Go to the barbecue to turn over your veggie burger, you know? | ||
| That kid's gone. | ||
| Cecil. | ||
| All right, so this is the billboard. | ||
| Who's that, your grandpa? | ||
| No, my grandpa's name was Joseph. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Look at this fucking photograph. | ||
| There's a lion that is hugging a bear, and the lion has a tear rolling down his face, and the bear has a tear rolling down his face. | ||
| And it says, ban the bear hunt. | ||
| They are all Cecil. | ||
| SaveNewJerseyBears.com Oh my god. | ||
| That makes me want to punch somebody in the face. | ||
| What kind of fucking crazy person living in some weird bubble made this billboard and spent actual human money on it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just fantasy land. | ||
| If they haven't seen, they have a giant problem with bears in New Jersey. | ||
| And there's facts behind this. | ||
| First of all, a student from Rutgers was fucking killed by a bear right outside of Rutgers. | ||
| See that photograph? | ||
| A student took this photo of a bear just before it killed them. | ||
| I was talking to a guy who knows rangers out there, and they're telling people not to hike. | ||
| They have so many goddamn bear in New Jersey. | ||
| And why do they have so many bear? | ||
| Because they didn't have a hunt for them. | ||
| So these goddamn things, they got overpopulated. | ||
| And they have now, they're entering into residential neighborhoods, and these huge- They're hungry. | ||
| Look at this fucking video. | ||
| Bear fight, Far Rockaway, New Jersey, August 14th of 2014. These bears are duking it out. | ||
| These are big black bears, like seven-foot bears, 400-plus pound bears, and they are going to war in this guy's front lawn. | ||
| These are huge! | ||
| I mean, if you were in Alberta and you saw one of these bears coming in, you'd be like, ooh, boy. | ||
| That's a trophy bear. | ||
| That's a trophy bear. | ||
| That's a giant bear. | ||
| That's hundreds of pounds of meat for the grill. | ||
| Yeah, and these bears are in this guy's lawn. | ||
| I mean, this isn't a this isn't some crazy rural, you know, like Sue Akins living in the middle of the nowhere. | ||
| No, it's in New Jersey. | ||
| This thing just knocked over a lamppost and now it's colliding with these garbage pails. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| They're fighting over territory, by the way, that's created by garbage. | ||
| That's what the territory is. | ||
| They attack people's garbage. | ||
| And these two bears, they bite each other, and then they duke it out. | ||
| Look at the size of these bears! | ||
| I know. | ||
| These are huge! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's why... | ||
| Okay, so maybe there was... | ||
| Before there was houses, that was perfect bear habitat. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| There's houses now. | ||
| So that means we have to control the bear numbers. | ||
| That's hunting. | ||
| Well, here's another part of the problem. | ||
| These bears weren't here 30 years ago. | ||
| These bears are overpopulating and moving into these neighborhoods, and they're doing it because they know the people live there, and it's a steady supply of food. | ||
| Garbage. | ||
| Yeah, when you live in Colorado, and Colorado, they had a big issue with it in this area where I was, where bears would find out that people put their garbage in a certain area. | ||
| And once they eat there once, that's it. | ||
| They have to capture those bears, and they either relocate them to zoos or figure something out. | ||
| But when I was there, we went to this wildlife rescue place, and they had this gigantic grizzly bear that they had gotten because, look at the fucking giant chunks of further tearing off of each other. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These are huge bear! | ||
| They're beasts. | ||
| And now, I love this video because a car pulls up and the cars, they start taking selfies with the bears. | ||
| But they had to relocate this grizzly because it just started tearing apart people's cars. | ||
| It found food in someone's car once. | ||
| Was it grizzly or a black bear? | ||
| It was a brown bear. | ||
| It's one that they had had. | ||
| I don't know where they had gotten it. | ||
| But it happens with black bear. | ||
| It happens with brown bears. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| It's just, you know, the numbers need to be controlled. | ||
| That's all there is to it. | ||
| In Colorado, it doesn't have a large brown bear population, right? | ||
| Well, it wouldn't be brown bear. | ||
| It'd be grizzly. | ||
| It's brown bear when they're near the coast and grizzly when they're inland? | ||
| Brown bear, they eat fish. | ||
| So they're on, you know... | ||
| Why do they call them different names? | ||
| Different species, I guess, is what they've determined. | ||
| You know, they're bigger because they eat fish, so they get all that protein. | ||
| So they, you know, they can be up 1,400 pounds, whereas a mountain grizzly, an average mountain grizzly might be 7 foot 500 pounds. | ||
| You know, I mean, life's tougher up in the mountains. | ||
| They're eating blueberries when the blueberries are on, you know, eating what they can, but... | ||
| The bears that eat the fish, they're gorging on fish. | ||
| They get big. | ||
| It's just a high-protein diet, kind of like what you're on right now. | ||
| I'm on a high-protein diet, folks. | ||
| So you're like a brown bear. | ||
| High-fat, too. | ||
| Yeah, this diet is kind of for the birds, but not really. | ||
| Birds eat grain. | ||
| I'm enjoying it. | ||
| I mean, it's not bad, but I've been on it for two weeks, and I would really like a bowl of pasta right now. | ||
| But it's going well. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that whole Cecil and the bear-hugging thing... | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Guarantee you a woman made that. | ||
| How about that, folks? | ||
| I'm done with that part. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It could be a gay guy. | ||
| It could be a weak dude. | ||
| All sex, gender, all that nonsense aside, we're joking around here, folks. | ||
| What that is is just someone who doesn't understand. | ||
| It's crazy ignorance. | ||
| And the idea that you want to let these things keep fucking and breeding and overpopulating to the point where they're killing college students just outside of Rutgers. | ||
| And they're having these two 400 plus pound bears duke it out on your front lawn. | ||
| That's not good, folks. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| So I'd like to see these people that think that the bears hug and cry each other. | ||
| Go break that. | ||
| You know, come on, guys. | ||
| Let's settle down. | ||
| Break it up. | ||
| Go break those bears up. | ||
| Since apparently they cry and have emotions, you know, Cecil has a brother, you know, who's protecting his family, Jericho. | ||
| Okay, go break up that bear fight. | ||
| Let me know how that goes. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Samantha? | ||
| This is from their website, saveinjbears.com. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So this is another named... | ||
| You know, I think, you know, we're only facilitating this issue right here with naming the bears and humanizing them. | ||
| Because if you watch the Super Bowl, it seemed like every other commercial was... | ||
| Something, an animal singing or an animal talking. | ||
| I was like, I mean, I saw sheep singing like in an acapella group. | ||
| I'm like, what is going on? | ||
| Well, and so that's where hunters are fighting for our place right now because the kids are seeing that and weak people are seeing that and people that don't get, hey, I want to be part of the food chain are seeing that and they're like humanizing these animals. | ||
| The sheep don't They don't care about anything but eating. | ||
| Eating and fucking. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They stay alive. | ||
| They're not talking about, oh, here comes a guy who's bringing us our food. | ||
| Let's sing. | ||
| It's not realistic, but that's the programming that's getting out there and just messing with the hardwire of these young people coming up. | ||
| Well, a lot of hunters attribute Bambi as being a turning point in the way Americans viewed hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because then, all of a sudden, you're seeing this beautiful animal getting chased down and killed by a hunter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we need to fight to change that. | ||
| I think we are. | ||
| We are. | ||
| Every time you see a hunter on a show or on a... | ||
| I don't even know what it's been on. | ||
| I think South Park's even had something. | ||
| But obviously it's some redneck, hillbilly, drinking beer, no respect for anything. | ||
| Even in all the Hollywood movies, that's what... | ||
| That's the image they portray. | ||
| We need to change that. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think we're trying to and I think with podcasts and with conversations on the Internet, at least information is getting to people that they weren't getting before. | ||
| I've had many, many people both on Twitter, on my website forum, on Facebook, on all these different forms of social media say I had a different perception of hunters. | ||
| Until you had guys like Cameron Haynes on, Jim Schocke, Steve Rinella, Steve Rinella, Remy Warren, these really intelligent people that can talk about Tim Burnett, who can talk about these things in a way where they explain to you their perspective. | ||
| They grew up with this. | ||
| This is how they've lived their life. | ||
| And if you lived your life in a city, it doesn't make sense to you. | ||
| It seems alien. | ||
| You watch Bambi. | ||
| You see these... | ||
| Yogi talks to Boo Boo. | ||
| They have conversations. | ||
| Why would you want to shoot one of them? | ||
| Until you venture into that world, you don't understand it. | ||
| And we're insulated from it because of supermarkets, because of this bizarre world we live in where we've created these artificial structures that we think are normal. | ||
| These cities and this method of acquiring food where you just run a piece of plastic through a machine and you walk away with all this food. | ||
| It's not healthy. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's like if you could have sex... | ||
| With a faceless person where you didn't even get to see their face, like all you saw was like their body from the shoulder down, and that's what you had sex with, and you had a kid with that person, you didn't even know that kid, and you walk away. | ||
| But I got my needs met. | ||
| I mean, that's almost what's going on. | ||
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It is. | |
| It's almost what's going on when you're acquiring food without ever growing it, without planting that seed. | ||
| And I'm not saying you should fucking plant all your food, and I'm not saying you should only hunt if you're going to eat meat, but what I'm saying is, if you could do it, It would bring you a little closer to understanding where that food comes from, and it'll give you just a broader view of this world we live in and what you're doing by consuming food. | ||
| You are consuming, whether you're consuming salad, and here's another thing, vegans. | ||
| I put this up the other day. | ||
| I was fucking with a bunch of people where I trolled. | ||
| People were sending me all this vegan stuff, so I just started trolling them by sending them all these scientific studies about plants and plant intelligence. | ||
| Which is a new form of study, or it's a new field of study, where they're finding out more and more each day that plants can do calculations, that they respond to being eaten, that they have different mechanisms to discourage predation. | ||
| That's where poison plants come from. | ||
| They're communicating with each other in some sort of strange way. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| What you're doing is you're making these bizarre moral judgments. | ||
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| And they're based on convenience, and a lot of them are based on ignorance, and a lot of them, they don't hold up when you start looking at things objectively. | ||
| No. | ||
| And people say to you, like, why don't you eat your dog? | ||
| Well, I don't want to eat my dog, okay? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But my dog is a pet, okay? | ||
| My dog was raised from the time it was a baby. | ||
| I've had it since it was young. | ||
| I'm not going to eat it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If someone does hunt a wild dog and eat it, and it's between that wild dog eating them and them eating that wild dog, you know, that's an unfortunate situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you gotta eat that fucking dog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Manny Pacquiao, his parents, they ate their dog when he was starving, when they were a kid. | ||
| It was like a very traumatic moment for him. | ||
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| Where his family was so, they were starving, they were so poor, they had to eat their pet dog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and then the people would say, well, you're not starving. | ||
| Why are you killing animals? | ||
| Right? | ||
| For us. | ||
| Because I don't want to starve. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Proactive. | ||
| What I like the most, we talked about changing the stereotype, is I like, you know, working, as we know, work out all the time. | ||
| I like when people ask me, why are you working out so hard? | ||
| For bow hunting. | ||
| And this is like, that gives the craziest look. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, but it's been the same answer for me for years is because I want to be the best in the mountains. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| The best that you can be. | ||
| The best I can be, yeah. | ||
| I understood that way more after I went with you. | ||
| You know, after I went hunting with you in Colorado, I get it. | ||
| I get it more because you're in better cardiovascular shape than me. | ||
| And I'm in good shape. | ||
| Take the average person, I'm in better shape than the average person. | ||
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| And I'm not in better shape than you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're fucking running ahead of me. | ||
| I'm like, this motherfucker... | ||
| There's a certain pace that you can keep because you run mountains all the time that I'm just not capable of keeping right now. | ||
| It made me up my cardio in a big time way. | ||
| When I came back from that hunt, the first thing I started doing was really upping my cardio. | ||
| Well, and, you know, so we had a real, you know, real life example of that. | ||
| What I like as much as that, I mean, not as much as that, because I love being with somebody who's successful and who experiences a hunt, and I'm able to share in that. | ||
| And that's a whole other thing. | ||
| It's like, I didn't kill anything, but... | ||
| I was part of your hunt, and that meant as much to me as me getting my animal. | ||
| So, I mean, we have the whole camaraderie, and it's not every man for himself. | ||
| We're out there. | ||
| We're working together. | ||
| We want to be successful in harvest meat and take meat home to our families. | ||
| But what I like is people who are inspired. | ||
| They're not with me, but they see the training, and they're inspired to up their game. | ||
| Maybe they won't. | ||
| Run a 200-mile race or run 10 miles a day or do any of this, but maybe they'll run one mile. | ||
| My whole thing is, if you're not making a positive impact, what's your point? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| I want to make a positive impact on people, and that's why I love social media and sharing what I do, and hopefully it can inspire others to do more, and that's my motivation daily. | ||
| Well, there's a great time for that. | ||
| There's a great... | ||
| Venue or a great vehicle through social media that didn't exist before to inspire people. | ||
| And I am constantly inspired by it. | ||
| You know, and some people get upset like, oh, you fucking posting pictures so you're working out, you're fucking showing off. | ||
| I like when I read The Rock's Instagram, okay? | ||
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| I do. | ||
| I think 40 million other people do also. | ||
| Yeah, that fucking guy is up every morning. | ||
| If he's got to work at 7, he's up at 4, and he's in the gym, and he'll show a photo of his alarm clock going off, and it'll show a photo of him in the gym making crazy faces where he's fucking full of sweat, and it makes me realize I'm a lazy bitch, and it makes me want to get up and work out. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, I mean, that's just... | ||
| There's a community. | ||
| People want to be inspired, I think. | ||
| They definitely do. | ||
| I know I do, and I know that you've created a community. | ||
| Your Instagram page, in a lot of ways, and I don't want to say it's your community, but you have spawned through your Instagram page a lot of inspirational communities as well. | ||
| I've looked at these other people's pages that follow you, and I'll see the hashtag, keep hammering, and they're out doing things, and I see people responding to their posts. | ||
| You know, I saw this, and it made me go to the gym, and I wasn't going to, so thank you for that. | ||
| And it branches off. | ||
| It feeds into everybody, and it's positive. | ||
| It's positive for all of us. | ||
| And at the end of the day, look, you know, you can make all your fucking angry videos, and you can make all your angry posts and shit on this and shit on that, and get angry about people you don't even meet, but what is the message that you're putting out? | ||
| This angry, shitty message that you're putting out? | ||
| This angry, negative thing. | ||
| Are you pumping yourself up? | ||
| You're standing on a moral high ground and espousing your superiority to the world? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Are you broadcasting that? | ||
| And you know who's inspired by that? | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Some people might be to also be cunts. | ||
| Like, this guy's a good cunt. | ||
| I want to be a cunt, too. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I guess I don't hang around those people because I never hear that. | ||
| Well, you don't see them. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| If you meet one of those people in real life, I guarantee you the conversation wouldn't be like it is in these one-sided debates or these one-sided broadcasts. | ||
| If someone makes a blog, this angry, shitty blog, have a conversation with that person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tweets and blogs, especially if they're negative, it's a very ineffective form of communication. | ||
| Negative videos, they're very ineffective because this is not a real conversation. | ||
| The way people are supposed to communicate is like you and I talking to each other. | ||
| You know, even fucking podcasts in a lot of ways. | ||
| It's one of the things why people get angry. | ||
| Because if someone listening to this right now, you're like, you motherfucker, I got something to say! | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But don't get mad at me. | ||
| If you were here, we would talk. | ||
| But you're not here. | ||
| Should we take a few calls? | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
| We don't do call-ins, thank God. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's too hard. | ||
| You know, the beautiful thing about the internet is everybody has a voice. | ||
| You can text me. | ||
| The bad thing about the internet is everybody has a voice. | ||
| You got my number, text me. | ||
| So that'll eliminate a lot of people. | ||
| You can choose what message you put out there. | ||
| You can choose how you experience life. | ||
| You can choose how you interact with people. | ||
| And some people, I think, this is a new world we're living in, this world of social media, this world where anybody can start a blog or anybody can start putting things up on Twitter or Facebook or whatever. | ||
| It's a new world, and we've got to learn how to navigate it better. | ||
| Well, you know, people, like you said, people can choose. | ||
| I can choose. | ||
| I put up positive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't think I have negative things happen in my life? | ||
| Of course. | ||
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| I could put up negative probably as much as positive. | ||
| I'm overcoming all sorts of hurdles all the time. | ||
| But what's the point? | ||
| Like I said, I want to be positive. | ||
| I want to inspire people. | ||
| And, you know, at the show in Utah this weekend... | ||
| I was amazed at the number of people that waited a long time to come up and share their story. | ||
| Share their story about losing weight or the success they've had or the impact. | ||
| As a hunter, a bow hunter, how would a bow hunter make that much of an impact? | ||
| I have no idea, but it happened. | ||
| If you ever wonder what's your calling in life, because I've wondered, what am I doing when I was young? | ||
| Where am I going? | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| Well, weekends like this weekend where I saw all those people and talked to all those people and had that interaction, that really drives home I'm doing what I'm meant to do. | ||
| And that's making a positive impact. | ||
| And I mean, that's through bow hunting. | ||
| I mean, that's it. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| That's how I met you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I met you through bowhunting and social media. | ||
| I mean, your positive message reached me. | ||
| And we talked about it on the Gritty Bowman podcast, which we just did. | ||
| We dropped in and did a podcast, an impromptu podcast with these guys. | ||
| They call themselves the Gritty Bowman. | ||
| And it's a good podcast, but good bowhunting podcast. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we talked about it. | ||
| I was interested in hunting for a long time before I met Steve Rinella. | ||
| And then when I was going on different websites and looking at different YouTube videos, I saw your stuff and I'm like, well, okay. | ||
| Well, here's this guy that's really into fitness. | ||
| He's into fitness and preparing himself to be what you call the ultimate predator, to be your best at what you like to do, which is bowhunting. | ||
| I'm like, well, this is kind of crazy. | ||
| So then I started watching your videos. | ||
| I'm like, what a positive dude. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| He's working out. | ||
| He's giving people great advice. | ||
| He's telling people how to use proper technique with archery and how to have a good attitude about this and how it's all good. | ||
| And you're like, it's a beautiful day. | ||
| We're out here. | ||
| We're enjoying the beautiful weather. | ||
| We're out here practicing. | ||
| This is what we do every day. | ||
| And I was like, This is inspirational, and this is positive, and through you, you meet me, I use my, what I've created, this vehicle of social media and podcasting to broadcast it more, and then all these new positive branches spread out from that. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
| It's so much better than shitting on people. | ||
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| It's so much better than negativity. | ||
| And like I said, when I had these guys from Cowspiracy, and these guys are vegans. | ||
| They're vegans who made a documentary about veganism and the powerful message that they had about the anti-factory farming message. | ||
| I had a great conversation with them. | ||
| And I believe, I truly believe that most of these people That are making angry posts on Twitter or angry videos. | ||
| If I sat down with them and had conversations with them, they'd be positive conversations. | ||
| Whether we agree or disagree, I have a very well thought out point. | ||
| I would imagine they have a very well thought out point too. | ||
| Where they're coming from is not a bad thing. | ||
| It's just something is lost in the broadcasting of this message. | ||
| I think that's a real problem that we're all sort of navigating in this world, is that somehow or another, the messages that get the most reaction are a lot of times the negative ones. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Well, in regard to hunting, why do you like archery? | ||
| Do you like archery better than rifle hunting? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's more challenging. | ||
| There's the book called Zen and the Art of Archery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a book that I need to read. | ||
| Everybody tells me I need to read this book. | ||
| But there's something about archery itself. | ||
| Like today, when we're practicing shooting at that rubber elk, there's something about... | ||
| There's a moment when you're at full draw and you're about to release that arrow where everything is still. | ||
| Everything is calm and you're not thinking about anything else other than releasing the perfect arrow because it requires so much concentration and so much focus and it was completely unexpected to me. | ||
| When I first started practicing archery, I thought it was going to be like, like, shooting a rifle requires a lot of focus. | ||
| It requires trigger discipline, you have to, like, steady the gun on a rest, you have to, like, you know, really stay still and squeeze that trigger, and there's problems with that. | ||
| You know, you get the shakes, you know, you get nerves, and even at a target range, you know the gun's going to make that kick, and so you get a little flinchy. | ||
| It's nothing like archery. | ||
| Archery is that times 100. There's no resting. | ||
| There's no rifle rest. | ||
| You have to hold your arms steady. | ||
| And the amount of movement that you make, because the arrow's only going at the most 300 feet a second, 350 if you've got some super bow and a light arrow. | ||
| The difference between that and a rifle is so different. | ||
| So, any movement translates to a giant amount of movement at the end where the arrow hits. | ||
| And it's just, as a discipline, it's cleansing. | ||
| Like, for me, I love, after a long day, I do a lot of shit, man. | ||
| I got a lot of things going on in my mind. | ||
| You know, I have... | ||
| Between comedy and podcasting and the UFC and family and business bullshit and it's like so much bullshit going on. | ||
| There's so many different things in my mind that for me what archery is is like this is like ultimate meditation this ultimate focus point where I draw back and I see that target And then I release that arrow. | ||
| And then when that arrow goes right into that bullseye, like we were shooting that rubber elk today, and when you nail one, it gets right in that small circle. | ||
| It's a beautiful, satisfying feeling. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's that moment in the impact and seeing where it hit. | ||
| So that's just a process of it. | ||
| But then when that happens... | ||
| Because why are we doing that? | ||
| We're doing that to prepare for the hunt. | ||
| So when all that work pays off on the hunt, it's just... | ||
| I don't know how to... | ||
| I see some videos and I see people running around and tackling each other and doing all that. | ||
| I never feel like that. | ||
| I always feel like... | ||
| I feel, I guess, blessed or thankful for the moment and mostly thankful that I made something that's very difficult happen. | ||
| You know, I achieved that goal and it's a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's so powerful. | ||
| And I just, that's what I, you know, I like people to shoot a bow because as you said, shooting a bow is centering and it's zen-like, I guess. | ||
| If I even know what zen means, I don't even know if I do, but it is relaxing. | ||
| It requires amazing focus. | ||
| So that's a good start. | ||
| But when you can block everything out, because you say you have to block everything out to make a good shot on that target, on the foam rubber, the Reinhardt elk today. | ||
| Well, on an animal, when the animal's moving, there's different factors that... | ||
| You know in line he's bugling your hearts going a million miles an hour and then when you can do it there and then Where you take that up another level is hunting the mounds like if you're sheep hunting and Then you have it's such a physical and then it could be dangerous also So you have so many things and when that happens on something like a sheep in the sheep mountains that is to me life-changing I mean experiences like that have made me who I am and people say You | ||
| know, bow hunting has made you who, yeah. | ||
| I mean, because coming through in crunch time like that is more pressure and more accomplishment than anything I'll ever do in normal life. | ||
| Because it's just that difficult. | ||
| Well, through difficult things our character gets challenged. | ||
| Our will and our focus get tested. | ||
| And through those tests and through this very difficult task, you learn more about yourself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You learn more about your ability, you learn more about your faults, you learn about your weaknesses, you learn about your strengths, and you learn how to shore up those weaknesses and get stronger. | ||
| And that's why people who have never experienced it don't understand your dedication to fitness, don't understand your dedication to making sure you're in the best possible shape you can be, also that your archery practice is at the best it can be so that when that moment of truth arises, you can steady your nerves, you can keep it all together, and you can execute. | ||
| And that execution, that is an insanely difficult test that very few people have to ever do anything in life that's remotely as difficult as shoot an arrow at an elk that's 50 yards away and watch that arrow sink right into the vitals and realize that you've done it and realize that now you have enough meat for a year for your family with one animal, with one animal. | ||
| And are we quantifying life? | ||
| I mean, are we saying that all animals are worth something? | ||
| If that's the case, every pasta bowl that you eat, you eat a bowl of pasta, that pasta comes from grain. | ||
| That grain most likely was chopped from a field, from a combine that is 100 yards long, that it's indiscriminate, and it's running over everything, as we were talking about. | ||
| Running over mice and rabbits and fawns and ground nesting birds and anything else that might be in its path. | ||
| And there's a lot of death involved in that. | ||
| So every bowl of pasta that you eat, even though you feel like you're completely immune or completely free of any responsibility of death, it's not true. | ||
| But one elk with one arrow Feeds you for a year. | ||
| A year! | ||
| Right. | ||
| I have two fucking commercial freezers in the back. | ||
| They're filled with meat. | ||
| I gave Gary Clark, the musician, the other day, I gave him two pounds of elk. | ||
| I'm like, take this home and cook it. | ||
| Bill Burr, the other day, he sent me this text message. | ||
| He made elk chili. | ||
| I gave him some elk. | ||
| I give people meat. | ||
| I love it. | ||
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| Yeah, my friend Chris Ryan sent me this photograph, or Duncan actually sent me, Chris Ryan did too, but Duncan sent me this photograph of his girlfriend made meatballs, elk meatballs, and they were sitting there eating with their friends. | ||
| They had a friend over for dinner with some meat from an animal that I shot with a bow and arrow! | ||
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| I'm giving it to him. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| It's a beautiful, warm feeling, and it connects you in some weird primal way that we're immune to. | ||
| We're not getting it anymore. | ||
| We're not getting it. | ||
| And for me, people ask, why? | ||
| Because I've always been drawn to wild places, big wild places. | ||
| And people ask, how did that start? | ||
| For me, how that started was I didn't come from anything. | ||
| I didn't have anything. | ||
| I was just a guy who couldn't even afford an elk license for a few, you know, it was $25. | ||
| I couldn't afford it. | ||
| But so I felt like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't feel special in any way. | ||
| I didn't feel like I had any advantage over anybody. | ||
| I felt lower class, essentially. | ||
| But in the wilderness, when I went, there could be the richest guy in the world. | ||
| There could be the most powerful businessman. | ||
| But if he was there and I was there, all of a sudden the playing field was equal. | ||
| And if I'm in better shape than him, I'm above him. | ||
| In the mountains, I can be somebody. | ||
| I can be special. | ||
| And that's how I prepare. | ||
| And that's why I liked it back there, is I didn't have to conform to society's, well, this guy is an A-lister, you are nothing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's what was always drawing me to that, because it was a level playing field for me. | ||
| And if I came in more of like a beast than somebody else, all of a sudden, I was the guy back there. | ||
| That's what I did. | ||
| And it was just like, I didn't have anything, and I thought, this is the only way I'm going to... | ||
| Achieve my dreams, you know, is get to where I can be in control. | ||
| Well, it gives you an understanding of that environment that this environment really doesn't care that you make six figures. | ||
| It doesn't care that you drive a BMW. It doesn't care that you have a nice house. | ||
| It doesn't care. | ||
| It doesn't care. | ||
| In a lot of ways, I gravitate towards absolutes. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why I like martial arts. | ||
| It's one of the reasons I like pool. | ||
| If that ball drops in the hole, it's because you made it drop in the hole. | ||
| If you miss, you miss. | ||
| And there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| It's an absolute thing. | ||
| And I think in a lot of ways, hunting is similar in that way. | ||
| It doesn't care. | ||
| If you're playing pool, and you're a millionaire, and you're playing against a guy who's $2 in his The balls don't know this. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| And it's the same in the woods. | ||
| When you are out there and you're in that environment, that is an absolute environment. | ||
| And absolute also in the fact that if you fucking zig when you should have zagged and you run across a sow grizzly and her cubs and she just decides today's your day, they don't give a fuck if you host the UFC. That bear doesn't give a fuck if you're the CEO of your company and you're out there. | ||
| It doesn't care. | ||
| No. | ||
| The wilderness is its own world. | ||
| It has its own rules. | ||
| It's unforgiving. | ||
| It's unforgiving and it's absolute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like that arrow hitting the artery or hitting the vitals of an elk. | ||
| If it doesn't hit, it doesn't hit. | ||
| I mean, it's got to go where it's supposed to go or you fucked up. | ||
| You know, that is real. | ||
| I mean, that's not just talk. | ||
| That's not talk where you zig or you should have zagged. | ||
| And, you know, Roy, Roy's story is a perfect example of that. | ||
| With your friend, explain who Roy is. | ||
| Roy is... | ||
| He's who got me started in bow hunting, and he is the toughest man I've ever met. | ||
| I've shared more experiences with Roy in the mountains, these life-defining type experiences that we've talked about. | ||
| And, you know, the bond we've created together has been over a handful of experiences, you know? | ||
| And you realize when you're out of your comfort zone like that and when you're both so committed to a pursuit, those bonds form quickly, you know? | ||
| And so we've... | ||
| Formed a strong bond over a handful of experiences over a couple years. | ||
| Well, Roy and I, you know, we went to high school together. | ||
| We started bow hunting as, you know, I think 18, 19 years old and had hundreds of experiences, life-changing, life-defining experiences together over the years. | ||
| So our bond, naturally, was like brothers. | ||
| When everybody doubted me when I was growing up and doubted my dream of ever becoming anything, he never did. | ||
| He was always the guy that believed in me. | ||
| Well, this year, up sheep hunting. | ||
| He was up sheep hunting where we had sheep hunted before together, and I killed a ram. | ||
| And it was, you know, it's a tough, difficult, dangerous hunt. | ||
| But he's more prepared, or he was more prepared for hunts like that than anybody in the world. | ||
| He's done it. | ||
| He's done it as much as anyone that I know. | ||
| And I've been successful. | ||
| I think he had killed nine rams. | ||
| And he, one misstep, He fell and died. | ||
| Prime of his life, essentially, 49 years old. | ||
| Just, you know, a father, husband, three kids, somebody who even the toughest Alaska hunters looked up to. | ||
| One step. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| And that's, you know, that's, so it's not just talk when you say zig, you should have zagged, there's risk. | ||
| But that's, I mean, if you're gonna, it just puts everything in perspective. | ||
| That's the allure to it, because I can speak for Roy and I, because I know we always have known about the risk. | ||
| That was part of the draw is we wanted to go Where nobody else wanted to go or do things that nobody else wanted to do That was the only thing that made us difference and it goes back That made us different and it goes back to you know, the level the playing field Well, we felt like well if we would go and do the hardest hunts in the toughest conditions Nobody else would want to do that, but we would all of a sudden we were calling the shots We don't call the shots the mountain calls the shots | ||
| And on that hunt, the mountain won. | ||
| Roy fell, and he died. | ||
| He fell 700 feet, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where he fell, just tough, unforgiving sheep country. | ||
| And once you start going there, you're not going to stop. | ||
| It's one of the most dangerous hunts. | ||
| Sheep, yeah. | ||
| On that hunt, specifically, they give 100 tags, and a lot of times there's just one sheep killed. | ||
| It's that difficult. | ||
| And I think 40% of the people never even go because of the weather, because of the conditions, because it's so hard. | ||
| So they draw the tag and don't even get up the hill. | ||
| Wasn't that the case with you when you went up there grizzly hunting? | ||
| You were supposed to go sheep hunting as well, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it was moose hunting. | ||
| Moose hunting, right. | ||
| We were going to do a moose-sheep combo, but there was so much snow, we couldn't even get to sheep country. | ||
| And that was the plan. | ||
| We were going to go sheep hunting. | ||
| And that was with Roy. | ||
| That was with Roy, right. | ||
| So we had an amazing moose hunt together, and I killed a nice big bull. | ||
| We just had just another epic adventure. | ||
| Something, you know, a hunt that maybe a handful of people would want to do because we were so far back. | ||
| You know miles back and had to haul a moose out over a mountain in the snow very very very difficult hunt but the ones it was just it was perfect because it was our last hunt together he died two weeks later and that hunt encapsulated everything about us it was just hard it was miserable and it was rewarding and and you know we achieved success where not very many people would have and we did it together and uh Yeah, | ||
| I mean, then two weeks later, it was his sheep hunting. | ||
| There's an iconic photo that I think was forever going to define you from that hunt. | ||
| It's with you with a big cut in your face and blood streaming down your face. | ||
| You sent it to me while you were out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You were saying, we haven't got one yet. | ||
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| We're out here hustling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's this photo of you looking grizzled as fuck. | ||
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| With blood coming down your face, snow in the background. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's Cameron Haynes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is, because we would always say, we can make an easy hunt hard. | ||
| Because we want it to be hard. | ||
| Well, you went into an area where very few people were having success, and even with rifles. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You were going deep, deep into this area. | ||
| It was a rifle area, so that means you... | ||
| A bow hunter had a different size of animal that was legal. | ||
| So if you're hunting in this area, it was a rifle area. | ||
| It had to be a little bigger. | ||
| So it had to be 50 inches wide, but it had to have four brow tines. | ||
| So you're making it harder. | ||
| So we were there in the rifle area, and we got it done. | ||
| And it was a hunt that that's what we love. | ||
| We loved hard hunting. | ||
| We just love the test. | ||
| Now when you go out there, does a bow hunter have different standards than a rifle hunter? | ||
| Like if you were there with a rifle, would you have to have shot a bigger bull? | ||
| No, that was... | ||
| You went to the bigger area. | ||
| I went to the bigger area. | ||
| So in the bow area, it only has to have three brow tines, the moose. | ||
| In the rifle area, it had to have four. | ||
| So I had to find one with four. | ||
| Well, mine had five on one side, four on another. | ||
| So it was good. | ||
| And it was over 50 inches wide. | ||
| So it was legal all the way around. | ||
| But if I would have just focused on the bow area, it could have been a lesser bull in regard to brow tine. | ||
| But... | ||
| And they do this to make sure, again, that the mature animals are harvested so that the younger animals can breed. | ||
| And so this is all calculated by wildlife biologists to make sure that they have healthy populations of these animals. | ||
| Yeah, just that, you know, mature bull has served his purpose, so to speak. | ||
| He's bred the animals over the years. | ||
| He's probably on the decline. | ||
| So it's a perfect time to take him out. | ||
| That's not what people, you know, people associate it almost instantly with, oh, you're fucking trophy hunting, you know, like, oh, you just want a bigger rack? | ||
| Like, they do that specifically because it's for the health of the population of these animals. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, we care about the animals, we care about, and... | ||
| We do like to kill a big animal, but it's dual purpose. | ||
| We want to kill a big animal because it's hard. | ||
| They're smart. | ||
| They're wiser. | ||
| An older, mature animal, especially with a bow. | ||
| So that's hard to do. | ||
| And then also, on the dual purpose side, it helps the health of the herd. | ||
| So we're doing the best we can. | ||
| But most of all, when you go back to bow hunting in general, it's just... | ||
| For me, it's just the test. | ||
| The ultimate test is something that's very hard, and that's the draw. | ||
| Yeah, and that hunt also really exemplifies why your hard work is so important. | ||
| First of all, you shot the moose at 90 yards, which is an incredible... | ||
| We were shooting today at 45 yards and as far as fuck. | ||
| I never said how far I shot that moose until right now. | ||
| I just told people, sorry. | ||
| Well, listen, I mean, you know, Tim Gillingham, we were talking about on the Gritty Bowman podcast, who is a world champion archer who was talking about routinely shooting animals over 100 yards. | ||
| And then he does this because he's a world champion archer and he can do that. | ||
| When you're shooting a moose, the distance that you can shoot a moose versus a guy like me who, by the way, I still shoot every day, but I just, I can't do that. | ||
| I'm not, it's not an ethical distance for me, but it is for you. | ||
| And to have to haul that animal out, sorry to blow up your spot about 90 yards. | ||
| I thought you already told people. | ||
| But it was a perfect shot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, but that's a funny area with shooting something. | ||
| A rifle shot at 90 yards. | ||
| First mule deer, that mule deer right there to your left, that was 200 yards. | ||
| That was the first time I ever pulled a trigger on anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that was 200 yards. | ||
| But with a rifle, that's normal. | ||
| You get a rest with a rifle. | ||
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| You don't punch the trigger. | ||
| I was prone. | ||
| I was lying on my stomach. | ||
| The whole thing was perfect. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, the rifle is a tool. | ||
| You just let it perform. | ||
| It's gonna work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, with the bow, it's just a lot of variables. | ||
| So all of your preparation, the shooting every day for years and decades, really, and then also your physical fitness to be able to pack out. | ||
| I mean, a moose, how much pounds does that thing weigh? | ||
| We had about 600 pounds of meat. | ||
| That's just the meat. | ||
| Just the meat. | ||
| I mean, how much did the animal weigh? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| Over, I mean, 1,200 pounds, probably 1,000 pounds. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's an enormous, enormous animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Until you see one, like, and you're there physically next to it, you don't realize. | ||
| No. | ||
| It took us hours to break. | ||
| You know, I killed it. | ||
| It was in the evening. | ||
| And Roy and I, we had cameramen there, but they ended up just, they filmed a little bit of the process of breaking it down. | ||
| Then they headed back to the spike camp. | ||
| And uh, Roy and I stayed there, which we like just doing it by ourselves back there together, singing. | ||
| What were you singing? | ||
| He would always sing. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Really? | ||
| What kind of stuff did he sing? | ||
| You know, Country Girl, Shake It For Me, a little Luke Bryan, maybe. | ||
| Little Lady Gaga, I think. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, he was a well-versed, terrible singer. | ||
| But it was just what we did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it's also... | ||
| Just part of the deal. | ||
| You were happy. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Successful hunt. | ||
| It was, you know... | ||
| God. | ||
| You know, I'm just going to miss those times with him because it's just hard knowing the journey we'd been through together. | ||
| That's why it's so appreciated. | ||
| And, you know, who else... | ||
| You know, there's another example. | ||
| We hunted this year and hunted the brown bear together. | ||
| I killed this bear. | ||
| The sow went over and was attacking the corpse of the bear. | ||
| The bear died. | ||
| She didn't know what was going on. | ||
| She smelled blood, just went crazy. | ||
| These brown bear are, they're big predators. | ||
| And something goes in their head, it's going to have an issue. | ||
| So she heard, when I shot the boar, It made a noise. | ||
| It sort of ran towards her. | ||
| She stood up, didn't know what was going on, knew he had made this noise, so she ran towards where he was. | ||
| Well, as soon as she hit his path, she smelled the blood from where my arrow passed through him. | ||
| So she tracked him by the blood, just basically running, smelling blood, blood, blood. | ||
| She got to him and he had died already. | ||
| She started attacking him. | ||
| You know, this is just what they do. | ||
| These are, you know, these aren't crying, hugging bear. | ||
| And, uh, So she's going, and I'm with Roy, and I'm like, I said, she's tearing up my bear. | ||
| And I'm like, get off my bear! | ||
| And I'm yelling to her. | ||
| I'm like, you know, and so I tell Roy, I'm like, I said, shoot out there. | ||
| So he shoots. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| And she's like, didn't even... | ||
| He didn't shoot at her. | ||
| He just was making a noise. | ||
| Just a scare. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| I'm like, hey, get off that bear! | ||
| And she looked up. | ||
| And then she saw us. | ||
| All of a sudden, here she comes sprinting. | ||
| And it was like, what is going on? | ||
| She's like a blood frenzy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was so much going on at one time. | ||
| And then it got something triggered in her head. | ||
| And she was just crazy. | ||
| So here she comes. | ||
| And I killed my bears in a creek. | ||
| She got to the creek, and Roy says, if she doesn't stop, I'm going to have to shoot her. | ||
| And I said, yeah. | ||
| So she comes up to our side of the creek, and I have an arrow knocked, and I don't know what I'm going to do with an arrow, but I never pack a gun. | ||
| So I just had my bow, and he had the gun. | ||
| She stands up at 20 yards away. | ||
| And we're just standing there, and it's a standoff. | ||
| And so we think, well, she stood up. | ||
| She's going to see what's going on. | ||
| There's three of us standing there, and she's going to say, okay, I'll drop down and leave. | ||
| So we're like, get out of here! | ||
| And she drops down. | ||
| Beeline right towards us. | ||
| At 20 yards. | ||
| Charging. | ||
| And so Roy, boom! | ||
| And he drops her, you know, one shot, made a good shot, he hit, like, missed her head, but hit, like, right here, and just folded her right there. | ||
| And what stands out for me is that... | ||
| You know, we were never worried about our lives were at stake. | ||
| We're never worried about, you know, like maybe a typical reaction would be like, oh my God, we could have died or something like that. | ||
| I was just like, I cussed because I'm like, I was mad she did that and required Roy to act. | ||
| You know, so I was just, I cussed and he's like, he's like, dude, I had to. | ||
| And so we weren't worried about ourselves. | ||
| We were just, we didn't want to have to kill another bear. | ||
| And we weren't nervous about the situation. | ||
| And I'm like, I said, I know. | ||
| And it was like, where else am I gonna have somebody that's on that same page with me that's calm in that situation and not see their life flash before their eyes? | ||
| Just do what you have to do to stop the risk. | ||
| That's never going to happen. | ||
| I'm never going to have somebody like that in my life again. | ||
| And I think about, we knew the risks, we're involved in everything that we did, and we embraced it, and we were fine with it, and it didn't consume us or anything. | ||
| And that's what I'm going to miss, is having somebody so... | ||
| On my same page that I can trust like that. | ||
| Roy was the best. | ||
| You would have to have someone who's experienced that as many times as Roy has had where he knew exactly what he had to do in that moment. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| And people know what they have to do. | ||
| It's executing that is what's hard. | ||
| So knowing what it takes, not panicking, being in control, and then getting the job done with one shot. | ||
| Very rare. | ||
| Very rare. | ||
| And he was... | ||
| So Roy in those situations was... | ||
| I don't know everybody. | ||
| I haven't been with everybody. | ||
| But I would say he's as good as anybody that I know of. | ||
| That's why when he fell and I got the news that he fell and died... | ||
| I mean I could I could believe it I guess but I was mad and I'm still mad and I know everything happens for a reason and I know you know he has he has a lot of faith and I know you know We want to think everything's gonna be okay and we'll see each other again. | ||
| I know all that but it still makes me mad Because you know We missed out on a lot of experiences we'd still love to have, and we talked about, and we were just like, we had these big goals and big dreams, and I'm mad that that's gone. | ||
| It's completely... | ||
| It's not just understandable. | ||
| It's something that very few people could probably relate to the kind of intimate friendship that you would have with someone who's experienced those kind of hunts. | ||
| It's been in the wilderness that's done... | ||
| Like that moose hunt that you were talking about when you guys were deep, deep in the wilderness like that. | ||
| It's something that very few people will ever... | ||
| Very few people have ever experienced that kind of danger, that kind of intimate moment in the wilderness. | ||
| Just that connection to the wild that you guys had together. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the whole point, I guess, with all that is people say, well, you're murderous or you want to kill. | ||
| Such a small part of what me and Roy experienced together, the kills were... | ||
| I mean, we achieved our goal. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| It was the journey. | ||
| It was the brotherhood. | ||
| It was, you know, growing up. | ||
| And that's what hunting is. | ||
| It's not just you're out killing. | ||
| It's you're experiencing nature at its most brutal or its most rewarding or the entire gamut. | ||
| And when that makes you who you are, It's powerful. | ||
| And that's, you know, that's what hunting was to us. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of people that are listening to this, I'm sure, they're like, well, you know, why is that? | ||
| Why should you feel any worse for your friend than we should for the animals that you killed? | ||
| You know, there's a lot of people that they sort of connect animals almost with people in a way, or maybe even better than people in a way. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| And I think that's a good part of this disconnect that we're talking about. | ||
| These people, they don't experience these moments. | ||
| They don't know anybody like that. | ||
| They don't have a friendship with someone like Roy. | ||
| They haven't had these experiences like you did with him. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| I mean, you sent me the text. | ||
| I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you sent me the text when he died, and I knew, you know, I knew that that had to be just devastating, too. | ||
| It still is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't think there's... | ||
| There's very few men like Roy. | ||
| He was capable. | ||
| He was... | ||
| Just somebody you could count on. | ||
| Anybody could count on. | ||
| And... | ||
| It's just, you know, tough to replace. | ||
| Well, it's very easy to get by in this world today. | ||
| It's very easy to get by without being that kind of a person. | ||
| It's very difficult to become that kind of a person, to always make the right decisions, to always push ahead, to always show character, to always be someone that you can count on. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Society today is too easy, I believe. | ||
| And so... | ||
| That's why I think that's kind of the draw for me to pushing myself the way I do physically, mentally. | ||
| If something's easy, I'm not attracted to it. | ||
| I want to be hard. | ||
| I want it to be hard. | ||
| I want it to be difficult. | ||
| Because society makes us weak. | ||
| It makes us feel entitled. | ||
| And I don't like it. | ||
| Every day I feel, unless I'm beat down or tired or whatever, I don't feel like I achieved what I needed to achieve that day. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| I can't expect anybody else to feel like that. | ||
| That's just me. | ||
| Everybody else is motivated by different things, have different priorities. | ||
| I'm just for me. | ||
| And so finding somebody who is of the same mindset as me can be tough. | ||
| It's very rare. | ||
| It's it's hard for people to gravitate towards challenge, but through challenge you get the greatest reward because through staying in bed like this there's that the call of the bed is strong the warm bed and just oh Let me just hit fucking snooze in this alarm clock and get nine more minutes or let me just shut it off and call in sick to work Let me just not do what I'm supposed to do. | ||
| Let me just sleep And there was an article that I posted recently where they were talking about the power that dopamine has and dopamine in memories. | ||
| And it's one of the reasons why people have such a hard time kicking bad habits is because we gravitate towards these like... | ||
| reward experiences that we have in our head the reward of eating shitty food or of drinking too much or it's your your mind sort of carves these paths towards these uh rewarding like uh almost self-destructive behaviors because those they give you dopamine whether it's eating shitty food or whatever but it's the rare person whose mind gravitates towards the reward of accomplishment | ||
| the reward of pushing yourself through a very very difficult circumstance very difficult challenge to get to that feeling of accomplishment like you get i'm sure when you run a marathon or like you get when you get to the top of the mountain when you're pushing when you don't want to and you get to it and you did it and you know that you overcome this weakness inside of you that wants you to quit Right. | ||
| That everybody experiences at some point in their life. | ||
| And it's a matter of how you react to that experience and how you react to that pull. | ||
| The pull towards the bed is strong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The pull towards weakness is strong because it's so easy to do. | ||
| It's so easy to quit. | ||
| It's easy to quit. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You see it all the time. | ||
| It's one reason why, I mean, it seems minor, but, you know, when I get up at 4 or 5 in the morning, I have to be at work at 7. But when I get up early to do my fasted cardio runs, and I'm out, and so I have no fuel, I'm out there, there's nobody out at 4 or 5 in the morning. | ||
| And I'm running into the neighborhoods by my house. | ||
| All the lights are off. | ||
| I just envision people in there comfortable sleeping. | ||
| And I feel like, you know, it's... | ||
| I feel... | ||
| I feel the best then. | ||
| It's like when I run the mountain when it's sunny, I don't feel as good as when I run it when it's pouring rain. | ||
| Because it's easy to go out and do it when it's sunny. | ||
| If I run on a weekend in the middle of the day, lots of people out there. | ||
| I don't feel that accomplished. | ||
| When I do it at 4 or 5 in the morning when nobody's out there, it's just like that in my head. | ||
| My head might not be normal, but I just love... | ||
| And people always say... | ||
| You know, all that running, you're going to be in a wheelchair by the time you're 60. And I'm like, who's guaranteed to live to 60? | ||
| I mean, I might die tomorrow. | ||
| So what am I supposed to do? | ||
| Save myself for what? | ||
| I want to know that I gave all I have every day. | ||
| Because tomorrow's not guaranteed. | ||
| So, I mean, I just don't get... | ||
| I have a hard time with that mindset of the... | ||
| The moderation mindset. | ||
| Those people that are saying that, they're peering through the curtains while you're running by their house. | ||
| I think they're asleep. | ||
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He's going to wind up in a wheelchair, not me. | |
| I'm here farting. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| So some people criticize, and maybe I will be on a wheelchair, but I'll know that I lived as hard as I could live and pushed as hard as I could when I could do it. | ||
| I'm not gonna regret it. | ||
| Yeah, the people that try to knock someone down for working hard and overcoming extreme obstacles, what they're doing is they're responding to their own insecurity. | ||
| I mean, there's logical things. | ||
| There's people that's, you know, there's people that look at certain types of extreme sports where, you know, there's that BMX guy, what's his name, Dave Mira, who just committed suicide. | ||
| Horrible, horrible tragedy, you know husband father the whole deal I gotta think it's connected to head trauma and I think you're talking about a completely different thing when you're talking about head trauma because You know these poor guys that do these extreme sports and they wind up getting really banged up Yeah, and that causes some pretty severe depression so I think In circumstances like that, I think you're talking about a kind of a different animal, but people will criticize people who take chances in life. | ||
| People will criticize people who work hard. | ||
| You know, like, why do you have to lift weights? | ||
| Why do you... | ||
| Like, there was an article that we had talked about that some asshole had written in some bow hunting magazine about you. | ||
| No, it was online, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, whatever it was. | ||
| Yeah, it was just talking shit about, like, why does, you know, he have to, you know, you don't have to lift weights like this guy. | ||
| You don't have to, this is ridiculous. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| If you want to do what you can do, you have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What he's doing by writing that is looking at someone who works harder than him, accomplishes more than him, and he's trying to chop you down. | ||
| And that's crabs in a bucket, man. | ||
| That's what people do. | ||
| You ever see crabs in a bucket? | ||
| If you don't know what I'm talking about, folks, if you see crabs in a bucket, they never get out of that fucking bucket. | ||
| Because if they work together, one crab could stand on another crab, and the other crab could grab them on top, and then they could figure out a way to push that bucket over, and they could all get out. | ||
| But nope. | ||
| What happens is one crab tries to get to the top, and the other crabs pull them down. | ||
| And that's what a lot of people are. | ||
| A lot of people are crabs in a bucket. | ||
| And it's just a weakness and an insecurity and a lot of times it's because they don't know anybody like you. | ||
| They don't know anybody like Roy. | ||
| They don't know anybody that can push them. | ||
| They don't know anybody that they can look at their friend and they can say, you know, this motherfucker can do it. | ||
| I can do it too. | ||
| I know what he would do right now. | ||
| Here's a funny story. | ||
| I was in... | ||
| Texas with Aubrey, and we were pig hunting, and we were in this fucking miserable environment. | ||
| There were so many mosquitoes. | ||
| It was brutal. | ||
| I mean, we were just getting mauled. | ||
| By the end of the day, I mean, it looked like I had some kind of crazy disease, like my whole body was covered in mosquito bites. | ||
| And I thought to myself while I was out there, if Cam Haynes was out here, he would fucking keep going. | ||
| He would just deal with the fact that mosquitoes are biting him and he would keep going. | ||
| And Aubrey said, how the fuck did you get through all those mosquitoes? | ||
| And I said, I thought that if Cam Haynes was out here, he would keep going. | ||
| He goes, that's hilarious. | ||
| He goes, I thought if Joe Rogan can do it, I can do it. | ||
| So you, without even being there, pushed me, and me, because I kept going, it pushed him. | ||
| It was fucking miserable. | ||
| It was this cloud of mosquitoes we just swarmed on. | ||
| Well, you know, I mean, it is a funny story, but... | ||
| I do in some way feel responsibility to the people that follow me or look up to me to not give up. | ||
| I know people look to me for inspiration and it helps. | ||
| It's like when I don't feel like doing something, I think about all the people who expect me to. | ||
| I mean, I have a huge drive to do it myself, but it's just like sometimes those little things and thinking about this story with you or people who have lost 100 pounds thinking about, you know, the work I put in. | ||
| It's like all those things have made me who I am. | ||
| So it's not like I might think about specific stories, but I think about all the people who have been such a positive person. | ||
| They've made such a positive impact on me, because I guess I have it on them, you know, so in return. | ||
| And it makes me, you know, like the Bigfoot 200 that I'm doing, if I'm just on my own and nobody knows who I am, I'm much less, much less, much, or not as tough, much less resilient as the guy I'm going to be who will line much less resilient as the guy I'm going to be who will line up to run the Bigfoot Because I feel like I'll have an army of people helping me, push me. | ||
| And I just think that that's, you know, as a society... | ||
| That's a type of things we need to focus on, I believe. | ||
| Inspiration is a two-way street. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| When you inspire people, I do these meet and greets after shows all the time. | ||
| And I can't tell you how many people I'll come up to after a show that say, I lost 100 pounds. | ||
| Once I started listening to your podcast, I started eating healthy. | ||
| I started looking at my body in a different way. | ||
| I started realizing I would be happier if I took care of myself. | ||
| And then I'm happier when I do force myself to exercise. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now I do it every day and I'm drinking kale shakes and I'm eating healthy foods and I stop drinking and all this. | ||
| And it makes me feel better. | ||
| I mean, I think about it when I work out. | ||
| I think that's where inspiration is a two-way street. | ||
| And then it's also like we were talking about like you've created a community through your social media and through the positive posts that you make and through... | ||
| Through all your actions and all the different things you've done, you've created this sort of sense of community where all these other people, they feed off of that, and you feed off of them, and we all feed off of each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And through this podcast, too, man, this is an inspirational podcast. | ||
| I'm going to listen to this podcast when I work out tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I do my morning workout tomorrow, I'm going to put this on my headphones, and I'm going to listen to this. | ||
| I'm going to listen specifically to the story about you and Roy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that... | ||
| You know, people want to be that kind of person, you know? | ||
| People don't want to be a lazy fuck who criticizes people for no reason. | ||
| They don't want to be that guy that's weak and that talks shit about someone when they're not there because they feel bad that that person is out there working out. | ||
| Like, you don't have to do what Cam Haynes is doing. | ||
| Like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| You know what you're doing, bitch. | ||
| You know what you're doing when you're doing that. | ||
| While you're doing it, you know what you're doing. | ||
| While you're making those, you know, there's a little sneaky voice in the back of your head, unless you're completely obtuse, unless you're completely oblivious to the way you interact and interface with the world, you know what you're doing when you're saying those things. | ||
| You're trying to chop someone down because they make you feel weak. | ||
| Instead of saying, this guy is out there doing something awesome. | ||
| What's negative about someone working out and being healthy? | ||
| What's negative about someone who values physical fitness and accomplishing difficult goals? | ||
| That is the essence of character. | ||
| That's the essence of what's inspirational about a person. | ||
| I'm not inspired by someone who sleeps till 2. I'm not inspired by someone who can't not eat shitty food and loves to smoke. | ||
| I'm inspired by discipline. | ||
| Discipline. | ||
| I love discipline. | ||
| You talked about The Rock. | ||
| Guys like The Rock. | ||
| The Rock is out to 40 million. | ||
| You get out to... | ||
| How many will listen to this podcast? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It'd be more than a million, for sure. | ||
| Millions. | ||
| And over the course of how many years this is out there in the world? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'm inspired by you, The Rock. | ||
| And so in my own little bowhunting world, I just try to live up to that. | ||
| And, you know, I guess what I wanted, I want to thank you for giving me this platform, giving me access to all you've created here, because, you know, as we've talked about, that's what feels good, to reach people, inspire people, and yeah, maybe they'll be inspired, maybe even a little by the heartbreak of losing a good buddy, you know, maybe to be... | ||
| A better friend or maybe to be somebody who, I don't know, that integral part of somebody else's life, maybe that'll inspire them, maybe the workout part, who knows? | ||
| Maybe to be a better, I don't know, more understanding to the vegans and be able to explain it better. | ||
| There's so much you can take from this podcast and without you giving me this microphone, it would never happen. | ||
| So I want to thank you and I'm so grateful. | ||
| I'm so happy I've met you and we've created this friendship. | ||
| I couldn't be more happy myself. | ||
| And again, that inspiration is a two-way street. | ||
| This podcast doesn't exist if it's not for other people. | ||
| I mean, all I am is like an antenna or something, just broadcasting my thoughts and other people's thoughts too. | ||
| And without a guy like you to introduce me to something like bowhunting, I would have no idea. | ||
| I would have gone to my grave without having any idea how rewarding it is to go and get my own meat Through archery in the woods, how difficult it is to pursue such an incredibly demanding discipline and what that's about. | ||
| And for you being inspirational and for you creating those videos, you reached me. | ||
| And you touched me with your positivity and with your inspiration and with your dedication and focus. | ||
| And I live for that, man. | ||
| I live for inspiration. | ||
| That's my fuel. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love inspiring people. | ||
| I love people that are inspiring me and I love inspiring other people. | ||
| I love inspiration. | ||
| I think it's one of the most powerful aspects about our newfound ability to communicate with each other. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Social media. | ||
| So you can be a negative anchor or you can inspire. | ||
| So maybe that's the message of the podcast today. | ||
| Get out there. | ||
| Like I say, make a positive difference. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We can all do it. | ||
| It doesn't have to be big. | ||
| It doesn't have to beat a 40 million or 10 million or a 1 million. | ||
| It can beat a one guy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Make a positive difference. | ||
| We can all do it. | ||
| And we can all do it in our own way. | ||
| And it's the better way to live. | ||
| It's the better way to live. | ||
| This... | ||
| The world that we're living in right now is essentially a global community that's coming to awaken. | ||
| It's aware of itself now in a way that's never been before. | ||
| We can communicate with each other. | ||
| There's this strange new time where you could seek out shit that pisses you off. | ||
| You could just fucking spend all day on Kanye West's Instagram page and get angry. | ||
| You can just scour through the worst aspects of all sorts of different people, or you can choose to be inspired. | ||
| You can choose to live your life in a powerful and dedicated way. | ||
| But there's only one way to do that, and it's through action. | ||
| Yeah, it's a choice. | ||
| Yeah, it is a choice, man. | ||
| But it's a good choice. | ||
| It's a great choice to make. | ||
| Through that choice, you enrich yourself, and you enrich the other people that you come in contact with. | ||
| And then we're stronger as a society, for sure. | ||
| No, we're not perfect people, folks. | ||
| No. | ||
| We all fuck up. | ||
| We all get mad when we shouldn't get mad. | ||
| We all falter. | ||
| And through those lessons of failure, sometimes the disappointment you have in yourself when you come up short is the fuel you need to make sure you never come up short that way again. | ||
| And maybe you'll come up short another way next week. | ||
| Well, that fucking thing's never going to happen again either. | ||
| And you're going to find a way. | ||
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It's a process, yeah. | |
| Yeah, it is a process. | ||
| And that's one of the things that I really try to drill into people's heads. | ||
| They go, how have you done so many things? | ||
| I've done so many things because I've sucked at all of them. | ||
| Everything I've ever tried, I sucked at in the beginning. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| You fail, and then you learn how to not fail. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| Well, you take goddamn chances. | ||
| That's how you start bow hunting at 45. You gotta fucking take chances. | ||
| And if you don't take chances, if you stay within your comfort zone, man, that's not a fun life. | ||
| It's a cushiony life. | ||
| It's probably a little safer. | ||
| It's insulated. | ||
| And that's what I'd always respected about you is when you started bow hunting and, you know, it's because I know firsthand how difficult it is. | ||
| So you've been successful in so many different arenas, right? | ||
| And Ben, you're Joe Rogan. | ||
| All of a sudden, Joe Rogan is a new bowhunter who doesn't know shit about anything. | ||
| And it's like, for you to say, I'm okay with that, that's a big deal. | ||
| Most people who have been so successful don't want to be starting out on ground zero again. | ||
| So, I mean, for you to do that and then become so just disciplined and enamored with the discipline of bowhunting has been awesome. | ||
| And I love it. | ||
| I love doing things I suck at. | ||
| Most people don't. | ||
| That's why I like yoga, man. | ||
| I mean, it's why when we were working out today, you have that same sort of approach. | ||
| I was showing you all these crazy new exercises, and you were gravitating towards the ones you weren't good at. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I love pushing myself. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| When I work out with new people, I love exposing them to... | ||
| I said, okay, this workout doesn't start until you're miserable. | ||
| And then once you're miserable, then it counts. | ||
| Because everybody can do it when it's easy. | ||
| Okay, now you can't do it. | ||
| Now we start. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's just like, you know, I had a good... | ||
| I just like exposing people. | ||
| And what I always say, you know, and other people have said it too, I had to invent this, but being comfortable from being uncomfortable. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And just getting in that moment where, okay, now I'm here, now I want to start gaining. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that's just the journey. | ||
| Anything that has a big reward is going to require that. | ||
| Well, that's the essence of jiu-jitsu. | ||
| The essence of jiu-jitsu is being comfortable while you're uncomfortable. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Everybody gets tapped. | ||
| There's no way to get good at jujitsu unless you get mauled by another person. | ||
| It's the only way. | ||
| And, you know, for me, I started jujitsu as, you know, a former taekwondo champion who would spend my whole life... | ||
| I was successful at striking. | ||
| My whole life I had done, you know... | ||
| Different forms of striking competitions, and then all of a sudden I'm doing jujitsu and getting fucking crushed by people of my size or smaller, and they're just beating the piss out of me. | ||
| Like I'm a ragdoll, like I'm a grappling dummy. | ||
| And for me, I had to realize, first of all, I had to address the fact that I was nowhere near as competent in self-defense as I thought I was. | ||
| Like, as soon as these guys got a hold of me, they were just strangling me. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| Like, my perception of what I could do versus the reality of what I could do, I had to just address it. | ||
| I had to figure it out. | ||
| And so, okay, now I gotta get fucking crazy and attached to this shit. | ||
| And then I became... | ||
| Completely obsessed with that, of training. | ||
| But that's one of the beautiful things about Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| One of the things about Jiu-Jitsu that I admire most in the truly good practitioners is they have very healthy egos. | ||
| Because their egos get tested. | ||
| Yeah, they're in check all the time. | ||
| They're constantly tapping. | ||
| You tap all the time. | ||
| I mean, I don't think I've ever gone more than a few months of my whole life without tapping. | ||
| Well, and that's the same with bow hunting. | ||
| Don't start bowhunting unless you can deal with failure. | ||
| It's a humbling, just like the discipline you're talking about. | ||
| Bowhunting is a discipline just like that where it will humble you no matter how good you think you are. | ||
| I think all very difficult things Are good for you. | ||
| As long as it doesn't kill you, it's good for you. | ||
| I mean, these goddamn ultramarathons you're running, this crazy fuck, 100 miles is not enough. | ||
| You're like, well, I've already done that a couple of times, now I've got to do a 200. So here's the Bigfoot 200. Here's quick facts Jamie just pulled up. | ||
| Just under 50,000 feet. | ||
| Of ascent. | ||
| 15,240 meters of ascent. | ||
| More than 96,000 feet of elevation change. | ||
| 203.8 miles, nonstop, point to point. | ||
| Six sleep stations with full aid, hot food, medical and crew access. | ||
| 16 full aid stations. | ||
| The race starts at Mount St. Helens in the Cascade Mountain Range of Washington State and finishes in Randall, Washington, traversing point-to-point the Cascade Mountains. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That's... | ||
| So my goal with it... | ||
| And I've never done a 200, obviously. | ||
| The furthest I've run is 106.5 miles in 24 hours. | ||
| So this will be a new test. | ||
| And my goal for this... | ||
| And I don't even know if it's possible. | ||
| I don't want to sleep. | ||
| I don't want to take advantage of any of those sleep stations. | ||
| I want to be able to push through and finish in 60 hours. | ||
| And last year, 64 hours won it. | ||
| And I'm trying to... | ||
| That's what I'm training. | ||
| You want to beat that? | ||
| I want to beat that. | ||
| I want to beat 64 and I just want to grind it out. | ||
| I want to be better than I've ever been And so that's, you know, right now I'm training, I haven't been training this hard this early in the year. | ||
| So I'm taking it, I'm doing a lot of miles but not hammering hard and trying to build up that base. | ||
| So come August, I hope to line up there for the Bigfoot 200 and I hope to run it faster than it's ever been run. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Are you going to lose body mass before you do that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because you're always lifting weights. | ||
| Like what are you going to do differently? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I need to get lighter. | ||
| You weigh about, what, 177? | ||
| Yeah, right now I am, you know, and I was up 182 or 183, and so I'm trying to, I want to get down, I'd like to get 69 maybe, you know, and I think, I just really feel like I'd be efficient at that, and I just, you know, it's, it's, It's physical, but it's a lot mental also. | ||
| So, I mean, I'll prepare my body for it, but it's just whether I can hydrate and fuel well enough, smart enough, and just do everything, keep my feet healthy, that's what's going to determine whether I can finish in 60 hours. | ||
| So, I think I believe I have what it takes, but a lot of people probably have what it takes, but to implement it is going to be difficult, but I'm... | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| I wish it was tomorrow. | ||
| What's the percentage of people who start that thing versus complete it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's a pretty high percentage because if you line up for $200, you didn't just decide to do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| These people are crazy. | ||
| They've put in a lot of training. | ||
| And so if they're crazy enough... | ||
| I mean, it's $1,000 to run it. | ||
| So if they're crazy enough to pay the entry fee, line up there, they didn't just... | ||
| It wasn't on a whim. | ||
| They've geared their life towards it. | ||
| It's crazy, too, because it's not a thousand miles. | ||
| I mean, it's not 200 miles on a flat track. | ||
| No, it's mountains. | ||
| Mountains. | ||
| I mean, you know that 50,000 feet of ascent? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Two Mount Everest? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| What is Mount Everest? | ||
| 30,000 feet? | ||
| I think it's 26. Jesus. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| So, I mean, it's two of those. | ||
| I mean, but it has that same... | ||
| So, it's 96,000 feet of change. | ||
| So, what that means is you're grinding up as much as you're hammering down. | ||
| And that down... | ||
| Breaks your quads down as, you know. | ||
| Because you have to slow yourself down. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| This is a video of it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's the country that it's in. | ||
| What is this guy doing? | ||
| He's walking. | ||
| Run, bitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Why are you walking? | ||
| Well, there's like this. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| This is the country? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is it? | ||
| You can't run this. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like this? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Oh, fuck, dude. | ||
| Hardest ultra in the USA. How do you know which way to go? | ||
| How do you go left or right? | ||
| There'll be ribbons. | ||
| So there's probably ribbons that'll mark. | ||
| But this isn't... | ||
| No, you're not on a bike trail. | ||
| This is the hardest ultra in the USA? We need to document this. | ||
| So this is 200 miles of this. | ||
| And if you try to run... | ||
| Here's what I learned with ultras. | ||
| If you try to run... | ||
| Where it's super steep, all you're doing is going to blow your legs out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, so you have to get good at hiking, too, because you hike the super steep stuff. | ||
| Or this isn't even runnable, really. | ||
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No. | |
| But you don't even want to try. | ||
| So it's all about being efficient and managing. | ||
| Managing your resource. | ||
| But it's a test. | ||
| To put it mildly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is what I live for. | ||
| But listen, dude, there's a problem, and that is that this is in August, and you need to be healthy in September, because we've got to go back. | ||
| We're bowhunting in September. | ||
| It's all mental. | ||
| It's not all mental, man. | ||
| There's definitely some physical involved in that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many people have completed it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Jamie, what is that one nutty run that you told me about that very few people know about? | ||
| The Barclays, I believe is what it's called. | ||
| Have you heard about this? | ||
| Yeah, that's intense. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's like, I don't even know if there's really a course. | ||
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There's no course. | |
| It's really loose. | ||
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It's not marked. | |
| You can get lost. | ||
| You have to have your own map. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's something like 64 miles, maybe. | ||
| But it's like, I mean, you're in swamps. | ||
| It's nasty. | ||
| I mean, I think, God, it seems like four people finish or something. | ||
| They only allow in... | ||
| It's a small number. | ||
| I don't know that much. | ||
| I've heard about it. | ||
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One to two people finish it each time. | |
| Some people don't finish it. | ||
| If I remember correctly, it's one way up during the day and you come back down during night and then you switch and go the opposite way the next day up and down. | ||
| If you can make it to that fifth turn, it's also the same kind of way. | ||
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It's non-stop. | |
| If you want to sleep, you sleep. | ||
| You only have, I think, a window of 36 hours total to finish the whole thing if you can make it. | ||
| Yeah, maybe 48 hours. | ||
| But yeah, it's... | ||
| You got your eye on that fucking thing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, to me, the navigation is a whole different animal. | ||
| You know, I want to be prepared. | ||
| I want to know where the course is, roughly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't really want to waste time having to read a map and figure a compass. | ||
| That's a whole different challenge, which... | ||
| Maybe I'll get to that at some point. | ||
| Right now, I just want to run 200 miles. | ||
| I want to run that race as fast as it's been run. | ||
| I don't know what I'm going to do. | ||
| I don't know what my body is going to do, but I want to find out and I'm looking forward to it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's intense, man. | ||
| I'll be ready by September. | ||
| We should document it. | ||
| I should be in a Range Rover next to you. | ||
| Air conditioning. | ||
| Sipping lemonade. | ||
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Control a drone. | |
| Oh, a drone. | ||
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How does someone document that? | |
| You would have to have GoPros on or something like that because someone would have to go with you. | ||
| People have talked about filming it. | ||
| Maybe Under Armour will. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| How are they going to do that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You'd have to have some fucking savage that's willing to run it with you. | ||
| I know my brother's going to run some of it with me. | ||
| And he's a beast. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's done 100 before. | ||
| Has he run? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so in your family? | ||
| Yeah, so he's tough. | ||
| Your dad was like... | ||
| Was your dad a track and field athlete as well? | ||
| Yeah, he was... | ||
| My dad was... | ||
| I'm not athletic. | ||
| My dad was a freak. | ||
| And he had full scholarships at Oregon, Oregon State for track and field and gymnastics, two different sports. | ||
| He was pretty tall for a gymnast. | ||
| He was around six foot tall, but just crazy ability. | ||
| He was an amazing athlete, so I didn't get that, but maybe I got enough of it to be tough. | ||
| Yeah, but see, when people say that, like, well, what have you attempted to do that's athletic where you failed at? | ||
| Like, people that say, oh, I'm not a really good athlete. | ||
| Like, what is a really good athlete? | ||
| It's someone who practices the techniques of whatever sport they're trying to do and gets really good at it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you're really good at running and you're really good at bowhunting. | ||
| Bowhunting is absolutely athletic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's, like, if golf is a fucking sport... | ||
| What's bowhunting? | ||
| I mean, is a problem with calling hunting a sport a lot of people have? | ||
| Because I think it's best described as a discipline. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I don't like to think of it as something that you score points. | ||
| Yeah, me neither. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| It's too trivial. | ||
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No. | |
| It's too much of life. | ||
| But I do think there is athleticism within bowhunting. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You know, especially out west, especially in the mountains in Alaska. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, I... When people think athlete, they think the general sports. | ||
| Track and field, football, basketball, things like that. | ||
| I didn't get that elite athleticism in those sports as my dad did. | ||
| I think he had the ability to make the Olympics. | ||
| But you know life happened I was born this or that so he was he was a freak in in what what you might Call normal athletic events maybe bow hunting, you know qualifies and it's a hundred percent qualifies I mean look at this fighting qualifies athletics I think it does but it's way more intense and regular athletics something way more Personal and dangerous about the goal of knocking someone unconscious while they're trying to knock you unconscious and if Fighting if that counts | ||
| if that's athletics bowhunting is most certainly athletics, but I think we both agree that it's It's a little bit more intense than a sport. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| It's more it's almost disrespectful in a way not I mean if you consider it a sport you call it a sport that's fine, but in my view It's so much about the life and the reverence for this animal that you hunt and then take. | ||
| It's not, we won the Super Bowl, we scored the goal, the ball went in the hole. | ||
| It's the journey. | ||
| It's the journey. | ||
| It's not just the punch tag. | ||
| So the punch tag, you'd say, well, I won. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I won. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a sport, there's a winner and a loser. | ||
| You kill the animal, you punch your tag, you won. | ||
| It's not it. | ||
| I mean, it's the whole journey that leads to that. | ||
| And then also we talk about getting the meat home and providing for your family. | ||
| How do you score that? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| So, I mean, yeah, it's not a sport in that regard, for sure. | ||
| It's a discipline. | ||
| And even that word is like, it's... | ||
| Bowhunting is bowhunting, man. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Yeah, it's on its own. | ||
| It's on its own. | ||
| It's got its own thing. | ||
| And on that note, you've got to catch a flight, my brother. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Thank you again. | ||
| Oh, thanks. | ||
| So much fun to hang out, even just for a few hours. | ||
| It was great to hang out with you in Salt Lake and wander around all those freaks and dead animals. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow with my brother Doug Duren. | ||
| Wednesday, Bas Rutten and Marl Ranalla. | ||
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Woo! | |
| That's going to be fun. | ||
| The original team, or one of the original teams from Pride Broadcasting, two great guys. | ||
| Mauro's an awesome dude. | ||
| And Boss is the best. | ||
| And of course, on Friday, Robin Black, who now works for the UFC. We got him a job. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| So we'll see you soon. | ||
| Thank you, everybody. | ||
| Much love. | ||
| Bye-bye. |
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