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Feb. 9, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #758 - Tom Papa
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joe rogan
We're live!
We're just discussing very critical sound engineering issues we will take care of on the next version of the studio.
I'm gonna build something.
Either in downtown or near here.
We haven't decided.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I always figured you had it here because you live here.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do, but I like downtown.
I like the idea of being on top of a big building.
My other option, and I've been looking at land, my other option is in Topanga Canyon to build an actual compound.
My problem is, I'm afraid, because I know me, I don't necessarily trust me, I'm afraid I'll go whole hog Colonel Kurtz and start a real compound once I have the actual land and start putting things in and realize I'm not really that restricted financially from building shit, I might just start getting crazy.
tom papa
But all your followers could work for you.
joe rogan
That's the problem!
Then it becomes a problem.
The unstable ones shows up with a fucking suicide vest.
tom papa
Downtown's a bit of a pain in the ass though.
Getting there sucks.
Someone had a show down there and I had to park.
Like in this weird thing and cut through a Macy's to get to where the thing was.
Downtown could be a little tricky, unless you get a cool Soho kind of loft space.
joe rogan
That's what I'm thinking.
What I was thinking of is getting a high-rise, like a top floor on a high-rise.
Just get crazy and get something with the most dope, ridiculous view and have that view be the background when we do shows, especially nighttime shows.
tom papa
That'd be pretty sweet.
And a good vantage point when the earthquake comes.
Have you ever been in a high-rise during the quake?
joe rogan
Well, I'm going to have a parachute for you, and for Jamie, and for all of us.
And we're just going to shoot through one of the windows.
I'll have a shotgun.
We'll blast through one of the windows, and then we're just going to jump.
tom papa
I was in San Francisco two summers ago, not last summer, the one before.
During that earthquake, they had a little—up in Napa.
It was the Napa one.
And I had a show there that night.
I'm in a high-rise.
Get up to go to the bathroom at around 2 in the morning.
On my way back, the whole building like a rubber band.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Just back.
I was like, what the— They're on rollers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And that thing just scariest...
I just laid on the bed and I was like, alright, maybe this is going down.
joe rogan
You laid on the bed to deal with it?
tom papa
Yeah, I just kind of collapsed on the bed.
joe rogan
Don't they say you're supposed to get in a door frame?
tom papa
There was nothing but just...
joe rogan
Terror?
tom papa
Yeah, completely.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
Really weird.
And I was like...
And it was over.
I'm like, do I just go to the airport?
I should just get the hell out of town, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Start running towards the fucking middle of the country.
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
joe rogan
Run towards Nebraska.
tom papa
That was my instinct.
I looked out the window.
I didn't see people running in droves, so I just said, well, this will see how freaked out I am if I can just go back to sleep.
And I did.
I just fell asleep.
joe rogan
Did you ever read the article?
Was it in New Yorker?
I don't remember what magazine it was in.
There was an article that was essentially saying the Pacific Northwest, like Seattle, is a ticking time bomb.
It's a matter of time before it gets hit by a massive tsunami and an earthquake.
100%.
Gonna happen.
Might happen in 100 years.
Might happen in two.
Who knows?
tom papa
Yeah.
I'm going there this weekend.
unidentified
Are you?
joe rogan
Where are you at?
tom papa
Parlor Live?
joe rogan
Love that place.
tom papa
It's a good club.
joe rogan
That combines my two favorite things in life.
Pool, playing pool, and a comedy club.
It's almost like they designed it for me.
tom papa
It is pretty perfect.
I haven't been there in a while.
So what what happens like when they say like at that level that they say it'll hit?
What happens to like Does that mean like Seattle goes into the ocean?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the article it was the New Yorker the really big one this woman by the way received so much hate and I think fucking threats and all kinds of crazy shit that she had to I think she had to make an amendment to this The not-so-big one.
To say, hey, fuckers, relax.
I didn't mean to scare you.
But notice, like, Mexico seems fine.
It goes all the way down to California.
See the peel that they're showing in the illustration?
I think Mexico's our move.
Come on, Tom Papa, let's do it.
tom papa
Let's go.
joe rogan
San Diego might not be a bad spot either.
It doesn't seem to be falling off.
tom papa
That's not too quakey.
joe rogan
No, and it's filled with military people.
They'll know what to do.
tom papa
Yeah, Pendleton.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're right there.
They'll know what to do.
That's a good spot to be if the shit hits the fan.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bunch of motherfuckers who've prepared for the shit hitting the fan.
tom papa
Do you have a kit?
joe rogan
A kit.
tom papa
Yeah, do you have an emergency kit?
joe rogan
I have food and freeze-dried food and water.
tom papa
Keep it in the garage fridge?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I have garage freezers.
I have freezers in the garage.
tom papa
Okay.
joe rogan
And I have giant coolers that'll keep...
I have these Yeti coolers.
You ever see...
You know what a Yeti cooler is?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Yeti coolers are really high-end hunting coolers, like outdoorsman coolers.
They will keep ice.
I use it when I brine things, like if I brine a ham.
Like I smoke hams.
You ever smoke a ham?
tom papa
Yeah.
No.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so delicious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Man, there's nothing like it.
It takes a long time to do.
unidentified
How long?
joe rogan
It takes like six days to brine it.
tom papa
Six days?
joe rogan
Six days.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But then once you smoke it and then cook it like right out of the smoker and then serve it, oh my god, it's amazing.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
My kids scream when they eat it.
They're like, this is amazing!
Because it just melts in your mouth.
It's just so tender and moist and delicious.
unidentified
Jeez.
tom papa
So where's the cooler coming?
What do you mean?
joe rogan
I leave it in the cooler for six days by itself in a bucket.
So I brine the ham.
I take the ham.
I put a bucket of water with salt, garlic, some brown sugar, and a few other spices.
I forget what it is.
Some Himalayan pink salt.
And then it sits in this cooler.
I surround the cooler with ice or surround the bucket with ice.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And I lock it down and I just leave it outside for days.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Six days later, I open it up and it's still got ice.
Really?
Yeah, see that?
That's one that I cooked.
tom papa
That looks good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Five hours at 250 degrees.
tom papa
How many pounds is that?
joe rogan
That was about, I want to say like a three pound one somewhere.
Jeez.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was so good.
Oh my God.
Like you cut, like you see all the juices at the bottom of that plate?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like you cut into it and it's just squirting in your face.
It's so good.
So good.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That is pretty intense.
joe rogan
That's a wild, wild ham too.
tom papa
So that's during the apocalypse, that's what you're going to live on.
joe rogan
Well, my point is that those Yeti coolers can keep things cold for a really long time.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So, like, you could have, like, if you have frozen meat, it'll stay frozen in those things for a week.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Or at least cold enough where you don't have to worry about it going bad.
tom papa
So you can keep all your stuff in there.
joe rogan
So I have meat that'll last for a week.
I have, like, a week of meat, and then...
tom papa
Okay.
Generator?
joe rogan
I have a generator.
tom papa
You do?
joe rogan
I'm going solar, though.
I'm turning my whole house solar.
tom papa
I think I am as well.
joe rogan
It's crazy to not in California.
tom papa
I know.
You have to drop...
Pretty good cash at the beginning.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
It'll take about five years to get it back.
joe rogan
You might not ever get it back.
tom papa
Might not ever.
joe rogan
But you can have it set up where you're always going to have power and you're completely off the grid.
tom papa
Right.
That's the big thing.
joe rogan
Which Brian Callan has been trying to get them to turn over to his solar, and he says they're really resistant.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he paid for panels, he had the whole thing set up, and he's like, it's really interesting.
He's like, they make it super difficult for you to do this because they're fighting the solar companies.
They don't want them to be autonomous.
They don't want people to be autonomous.
They also want you to be connected to the grid.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you choose to remove yourself from the grid and be just 100% solar, it's a huge issue.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yep, very hard to get done.
tom papa
So has he cut off completely from this?
joe rogan
He's not.
tom papa
So you pay like a couple cents a month just to stay on?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
You'd have to talk to Brian.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But for the longest time, I don't know if he's gotten it turned over, but for the longest time, they weren't turning it over.
Like, I'm talking about six months.
So he makes a sizable investment, spends tens of thousands of dollars, has all this equipment installed in his yard, and they wouldn't turn it on.
He's like, I couldn't get them to turn it on.
tom papa
I have a Tesla, and I want to go solar, so it's the car.
So completely...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
But...
The battery, like the charger, you can get a rebate off of this thing.
The amount of paperwork you have to show the city of LA for them to give you $700 back.
You have to take pictures of your house, pictures of the charger, receipts from the company, certificates of work, things from the panel.
I mean, it's a list of like 12 things.
If I have to go to the mailbox once with the right stamp, it's going to take weeks for me to pull that off.
joe rogan
You're a comic.
tom papa
I'm not doing it.
unidentified
I'm like, alright, I guess I'm not going to play ball.
joe rogan
They make you do $700 worth of work to get your $700 worth of rebate.
unidentified
Exactly.
tom papa
You would think they would be the opposite.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
You'd think that they would encourage it because it would ease the grid.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I rented a Tesla for a day because we have a sponsor.
It's called Skurt, S-K-U-R-T, and they're real new, but what they're doing is they're essentially like Uber for rental cars.
So say if you were outside the comedy store and you're like, I need a rental car.
I want to drive to San Francisco.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They'll fucking show up in 20 minutes with a rental car, and you take that bitch and drive it up the coast.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Yeah, you have an application on your phone, right?
You use the app, you order up a car, and you can get a Tesla.
So I said, okay, I want to try this service out before we do it.
Let's get me a Tesla.
So I got a Tesla, it was through fucking services, excellent.
They show up, they give you the thing, they give you the key, do you know how to do it?
I said, yeah, I watched a couple videos, I'm good.
So they go, okay.
It's real strange because the Tesla doesn't start.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
And that's a weird...
tom papa
Powers up.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a weird one for people.
You get in and you go, okay, why isn't it starting?
tom papa
There's no revving the gas.
joe rogan
No, there's no gas.
tom papa
There's no brum-brum.
joe rogan
There's no brum-brum at all.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
And it just sort of, you put it in drive and okay, we're going.
Okay.
Yeah.
But what got me was how quick the battery drained.
I was like, ooh, I don't like this.
tom papa
How quick did it drain?
joe rogan
Well, I live out here, which is about a half hour to the Improv.
I drove all the way to the Improv, back...
I drove here, home, back to the Improv, and back home, and then back here, and it was more than a half a tank.
tom papa
More than half.
joe rogan
More than half gone.
I'm like, that's not 240 miles.
tom papa
But that's half.
joe rogan
That's 120. But it's not even.
It's not even.
It's maybe 60 miles worth of driving.
Maybe.
tom papa
Were you punching it?
You must have been because it's a fast car.
joe rogan
I don't think I drive any other way.
That's what I do.
tom papa
There is a big difference when you're slamming it.
There's like a thing, it shows you like the sweet spot.
And that's around, probably around 65. It's around granny level.
But man, when you blast that thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
tom papa
But it eats up the juice.
joe rogan
But it's weird how it accelerates without gears, which is very hard for people who've driven a regular car to comprehend, but it's instant on.
tom papa
Like a golf cart.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Like a Mongo golf cart.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Super golf cart.
tom papa
It's fun even going from zero to 35, 40. Yeah.
Just to get that punch.
joe rogan
It's a wonderful car.
tom papa
It's amazing.
joe rogan
What they've done is amazing.
tom papa
I came here...
From down around Wilshire, like Beverly Hills area, get on the 405, hit autopilot, and I didn't steer until I got off of the 101. Shut the fuck up.
I didn't touch the brake.
I didn't touch the accelerator.
I didn't steer.
joe rogan
Were you texting?
tom papa
I looked at a text.
I looked at a text.
joe rogan
That freaks me out, man.
tom papa
It drives better than I do.
joe rogan
What is it doing?
It's got a camera and it's scanning the environment?
tom papa
It's got cameras and sensors.
So it's...
On the dashboard, it'll show the two lines that it picked up visually.
It'll pick up the speed based on a sign.
And then it has cars, shadow cars around you.
It's reading all the cars around you.
unidentified
Jesus.
tom papa
And it just...
It just goes.
You set it at the speed, like cruise control, and it just breaks.
And if you want to change lanes, you just hit the directional.
And if it thinks it's safe, it'll change lanes for you.
joe rogan
Well, I have one of those Lexus SUVs, and it'll accelerate and decelerate depending upon the traffic.
So it has a laser sensor, and it gives you options.
Like you could ride someone's ass, and then it'll do it that way, or you could spread it out where it's like four cars in front of you, it starts to break.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Which is the way I have it set it.
Because I don't think it...
It doesn't brake that good.
It's a giant ass truck.
tom papa
Right.
In traffic, it's pretty great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Like, when I take my kids to school, I'll hop on the 101. Mm-hmm.
And I'll...
To not have to deal with the braking, stopping, going, that part is just sweet.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
tom papa
It's really great.
I mean, they say car insurance companies are getting ready for the collapse of their business.
unidentified
Good.
tom papa
They say once everything's automated...
They think, this is the insurance companies talking, that it's going to be an 85% decrease in accidents.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
That's how much better the car, and I know the car is a better driver than I am.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
More cautious, sees more.
joe rogan
As long as you have the option to be autonomous on a country road, you know?
As long as, like, you get on a country road and you can just fucking zoom around and drive and see things.
tom papa
You mean do it on your own?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah, because when you get on those roads, like, I put it on autopilot going to the comedy store, and I go from Sherman Hooks over Laurel, you know, Laurel Canyons.
Wavy gravy and weird turns and people, and it's a little nerve-wracking.
joe rogan
So when you're doing that, so you're doing all those turns, it's doing it completely by itself on Laurel?
tom papa
To a point.
joe rogan
Oh, no!
I don't like that.
tom papa
To a point.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the scary part.
Because it doesn't really...
Because, you know, Laurel, it's old road.
You can't read the lines.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
There's a lot of weirdness going on.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
tom papa
You can't...
I've tried it.
Especially when you come back down towards Ventura and there's like that really whipping turn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That you don't want to just let the car do it.
joe rogan
Maybe it's going to be one of those things where they're going to be forced to have to redo the roads to deal with these electric cars that have to read the sensors.
tom papa
Maybe.
Maybe.
The other thing is I think the technology is going to be GPS driven also.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
So that'll help if it syncs up that.
joe rogan
That way the government can just fucking shut you down and pull you over.
tom papa
They could exterminate you if you do anything wrong.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that's the grand conspiracy theory about Michael Hastings.
Do you know who Michael Hastings is?
tom papa
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Michael Hastings is a journalist.
He wrote an article for Rolling Stone about a general who was involved in the war, and he was embedded.
And while he was embedded over there, just coincidentally, it was when they had that big Icelandic volcano.
Do you remember that Icelandic volcano?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it globally crippled flights for a long time.
tom papa
I remember that all through Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So he was stuck over there for, I want to say, like an extra month.
And when he was stuck over there, they got a little too comfy with this guy.
And they started cracking a bunch of jokes about Vice President Biden.
tom papa
Who's that?
joe rogan
The soldiers and the general.
And I don't remember.
Macalester?
Was it Macalester?
Macalester?
Whichever general.
I believe it was McAllister.
He had to step down after the article came out because the article was just absolutely brutal.
And it was devastating.
And so this Michael Hastings character started receiving some serious, tangible death threats.
They're like, you're a dead motherfucker.
We're gonna find you.
You just cost American lives because you just got rid of one of the best generals ever because you don't think it's politically correct that this guy jokes around about a guy like Joe Biden, who's obviously a fucking goof.
Joe Biden's a goof.
He's a goof.
And if you don't think he's a goof, why isn't he running for president?
Why isn't he running, ladies and gentlemen?
For a bunch of reasons.
One of them, Joe Biden was a plagiarist.
Joe Biden, when I was in Boston, At Stitch's Comedy Club in 1988, which is back when he was running for president, but had to abandon his campaign, because they found his speeches were just in gigantic chunks of President Kennedy's speeches.
tom papa
No.
unidentified
Yes.
tom papa
He stole from Kennedy?
joe rogan
Kennedy!
Nobody knew.
Back before the internet, nobody knew that you couldn't get away with shit like that.
tom papa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
But he got away with it because of actual political scholars who were like, hey, fuckhead, I know that fucking speech.
tom papa
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
So we at Stitches had Joe Biden night.
We would do Joe Biden night.
tom papa
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Where we would steal each other's shit.
Like if you went up, you would do my act and I would try to remember your act.
We would try to remember each other's.
It was really fun.
unidentified
That's great.
tom papa
That's gotta be fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was...
Kevin Fitzgerald?
Who the hell did...
I forget who...
I forget the comic who started it.
It's hilarious.
tom papa
That's a great idea.
joe rogan
That's how much of a plagiarist he was.
tom papa
Wow.
I never heard that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was so...
Well, the Democratic Party keeps it under wraps now.
unidentified
But it was a big story in 88. So what happened with this?
tom papa
So he started getting death threats because he was talking shit about him?
joe rogan
So he started getting some serious death threats.
Because this guy was a loved general, very respected by these people who worked for him, including soldiers, including spec ops guys, and all these people who looked at this Michael Hastings guy like, you piece of fucking shit.
tom papa
And Hastings was just a guy?
joe rogan
Just a reporter.
Just a reporter.
But a snarky little fuck.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, he was doing Adderall and a bunch of other shit.
He was a little cocky.
Anyway, this guy drove 120 miles an hour without hitting the brakes into a tree on sunset and died under very suspicious circumstances.
Not only that, he was telling people that if he dies, like, you should understand that they killed me.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I'm not going to kill myself.
If I die, just know this.
They killed me.
And...
When military experts who understand what's possible today when it comes to automating vehicles out there, they say it's absolutely possible.
Absolutely possible.
tom papa
Well, people are hacking into computer cars.
joe rogan
Well, these cars, like your car, that can drive itself.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, this is a Mercedes, and the Mercedes have that same ability.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially the new ones do.
I don't know if his did, but what they're essentially saying is they could just pin that fucking accelerator down, lift off that brake so the brake doesn't work at all, and then just steer him.
tom papa
Probably disable the bags.
joe rogan
And steer that motherfucker right into a tree.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And that's how they killed him.
That's how people think.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Of course, his family and a lot of other people who are close to them, they don't want to say anything.
They're probably terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they say, no, we believe it was suicide.
But the people who knew him outside of his family, like, that is nonsense.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
It's a credible conspiracy, because you're talking about a guy who, through his article, like, the Rolling Stone article was devastating to the military.
It's really devastating to...
Was it McAllister?
tom papa
To the point where General has to step down.
unidentified
Stanley McChrystal.
joe rogan
Hastings.
jamie vernon
And then he was working on a profile of the CIA director, John Brennan, at the time of his death.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
Okay.
And yeah, he was working on another fucking expose of the CIA director.
Jesus fucking Christ.
So it was really interesting.
It was really interesting.
tom papa
And, you know, I just have to be worried about someone being in the audience at the Comedy Store and being like, he's a hack, and they take out their cell phone and make me go into a tree on Laurel.
Like, the CIA's not gonna care.
But an angry audience member...
joe rogan
Well, that's...
That's scary.
He fucked with...
What was the general's name?
tom papa
Stanley McChrystal.
joe rogan
McChrystal.
tom papa
McChrystal.
And the CIA. Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it was a double whammy of fuck-ups.
And it's almost like they wanted to see what they could get away with.
Like, let's see.
We haven't used this shit.
Let's try to use this shit stateside.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Drive this motherfucker into a tree.
Because...
tom papa
Gotta be able to.
joe rogan
Because with someone writing a snarky article like that, I mean, I don't know what actually was said, or I didn't read the article, but apparently it was very disturbing to the people that were involved there, and what he had decided to do with this article, from their point of view, was take a very inflammatory position.
He tried to, you know, manipulate it and make it very negative, and, you know, they can do things like that if they write an article about you.
tom papa
Well, it's amazing.
I mean, when you think about just technology and I'm so excited about this car, I'm so excited what it can do.
It's amazing where all this stuff is going.
You just talking about that service will just bring a rental car to you.
I mean, it's moving so quickly and so great.
But I tend to only think of all these positive, cool, fun things that you can do with it.
You know, the evildoers can use that same stuff and then some.
joe rogan
Well, in their mind, they might not even be the evildoers.
He might be a real problem.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, he might be, in their eyes, an enemy of America.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I don't know who's right.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if he really did interrupt some military operations that cost soldiers their lives because the general wasn't there anymore because he had to step down and it fucked up the entire chain of leadership.
tom papa
It's heavy.
joe rogan
And he was talking about, in that same article that Jamie put up, that he was around, whenever he was around people who kill people for a living, they would invariably tell him, we're going to kill you.
Like, it wasn't a couple people that were saying this to him.
Like, there was several people that were saying, hey, motherfucker, you're dead, just so you know.
We're all gonna kill you.
So, this guy, what did he do?
He doubled down.
Went after the CIA afterwards.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
The balls on him.
The balls on this young man.
He tested positive when he died for crystal meth.
tom papa
He did.
joe rogan
Yeah, he'd had...
Verify that, just to be sure.
He had had an issue with drugs in the past, apparently, from all the stuff that I've read.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they thought he'd kicked it, but, you know, death threats will fucking get you right back on the wagon.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Or off the wagon.
joe rogan
Wait, how's it work?
On the wagon?
Off the wagon.
Off the wagon.
tom papa
Or do they plant that on him?
joe rogan
Well, it's his body.
tom papa
Make that easy for him.
joe rogan
It's his body.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It may or may not have been real.
Who knows?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And it also, that stuff, crystal meth and Adderall are so closely related, they're almost the same thing.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, Adderall is very, very similar to crystal meth.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a nice, healthy dose.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
We don't have to worry about dying.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Or running down sunset with no pants on.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you'll get productive instead of...
tom papa
You'll just read a lot.
joe rogan
Destructive.
Productive and destructive are next-door neighbors when you're on Adderall, apparently.
tom papa
God, that was the scary thing.
When they were talking during the Republican debate about how much heroin is in New Hampshire, how it's just nobody, not one person, brought up prescription drugs as the lead-in to that.
joe rogan
Well, they can't.
tom papa
Not one.
joe rogan
They can't.
tom papa
That's just too much money.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The pharmaceutical companies have them bought and sold.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a criminal business.
The whole business is entirely criminal as far as politics.
The business of politics, the way they get money and what they can and can't say.
Otherwise, they would be talking about cigarettes.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Cigarettes kill a half a million people in America alone every year.
tom papa
Still.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Still.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not changing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It dropped off a little bit, you know, with education, but people are fucking dumb, man.
They want those things in their mouth.
tom papa
It's amazing, isn't it?
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Did you ever try it?
tom papa
Smoking?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Once as a kid, we were walking down the street, and we saw a lit cigarette.
Someone must just put it out of their car.
I was just walking with my two buddies.
I picked up a cigarette.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's how you got herpes.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a random cigarette.
tom papa
I coughed so much.
I was like, that is awful.
And it was like probably 11. And that was it.
I was just like, no, I'm not going to smoke.
unidentified
Good for you.
tom papa
It was just a lucky break, you know?
joe rogan
I smoked with my sister when I was 15 and she was 14. I tried it and she tried it.
She kept smoking until she was in her 40s, I think.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think 30s or late 30s maybe.
I never smoked again.
tom papa
I just was like, this is ridiculous.
I like the idea of it.
I like holding something.
A lot of times when I'm out with friends, I'll just roll up a napkin or something.
I just like the authority of it.
joe rogan
Oh, it looks cool as fuck.
tom papa
It's the coolest.
Just come out of a show and just light up by yourself in the hallway.
joe rogan
You know what's funny when cigarette smokers look down on cigar smokers?
Like, fuck off.
tom papa
I love cigars.
joe rogan
Cigars are great, but it's funny when, you know, someone lights up a cigar around someone who smokes cigarettes, they'll go like, ugh, disgusting.
Like, oh my god, do you know what those fucking cigarettes you smoke smell like?
tom papa
Yeah, they're the worst.
joe rogan
The best is pipes.
Pipes smell great.
tom papa
I know.
Pipes really...
I know pipes smell good because that doesn't offend my family, which is all girls.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
tom papa
Yeah.
They're like, oh, that's not so bad.
But a cigar, forget it.
I could be in the backyard, shut all the windows, buy myself a cigar, and someone's going to pop their head out of a window.
You're disgusting!
joe rogan
Daddy's disgusting!
tom papa
Yeah.
Nice cigar is great.
Me too.
unidentified
I got a cigar over here from Michael Dowd.
joe rogan
These are from- they're probably dried out now.
I gotta get a humidor.
Remind me again about a humidor.
I got a humidor at home I gotta bring in here.
tom papa
Yeah, I got one.
joe rogan
This is from- did you ever see the documentary The 7-5?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Nick DiPaolo told me about it.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
tom papa
The 7-5.
joe rogan
The 7-5 is about the 7-5 precinct in New York City.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And it was in the 70s- the 80s, rather, during the crack epidemic.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
What a fucking crazy documentary.
And Michael Dowd was one of the corrupt cops that was in it.
He went to jail for a long time, the whole deal, but then got out, and then they did this documentary, and he did my podcast.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he brought in some cigars that he's having made.
tom papa
That's his business now?
joe rogan
Well, he's doing a bunch of different things.
He's just kind of hustling.
It's hard.
I mean, he's in jail for a long time, so he's going to try to put his life back in order.
tom papa
Jeez.
He just got caught up in all the money?
joe rogan
Oh, well, he was 20-something years old.
He was young, and all the cops are corrupt.
He's like, the first day on the job, they were explaining to him about a guy who, quote-unquote, jumped off of a roof, and it was because this guy had ratted on cops.
He's like, that's what happens when you're ratted on cops.
And he was like, "Oh, got it.
tom papa
We're good.
Secret message received.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like the first week or something that he was working.
But he was like, it was really, real clear, real early on that there's a giant percentage of guys are on the take.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
And that's just how you made money.
tom papa
So where does he get the tobacco?
joe rogan
I don't know.
You know, I think they're made in the Dominican Republic.
He's got a friend that he used to do quote-unquote business with back during the cocaine days that he's pals with.
tom papa
He goes and visits.
joe rogan
I think that's where he's getting the...
unidentified
He's got a pal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
He's got a bunch of Cuban cigars.
Some Cohibas.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Nice.
tom papa
It really is a difference.
joe rogan
Yeah.
God, is it a difference.
If you get the real deal, you've got to make sure you get real ones.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of fucking counterfeit Cuban cigars.
tom papa
There's a lot of fakies.
It's all going to open up now, though.
joe rogan
Yep.
tom papa
Soon.
joe rogan
But they don't have enough quantity.
I forget the name of the area where they grow.
There's this area, a specific area, Viejo Trabajo or something like that.
I forget what it's called.
But it's a very small area where they grow the best cigars.
But the soil is incredibly rich.
And they've been tilling the soil and taking care of it in a very specific way for decades and decades.
And they just know what they're doing.
tom papa
And now America's coming in and wants to devour it.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
tom papa
I mean, because they do sell them around the rest of the world.
joe rogan
I used to get them from England.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
I used to get them sent to me from England, allegedly.
Allegedly, because it's not legal.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
They would send them to me, and then, like, a couple weeks later, they would send me the bands.
So they would send them to me with, like, Dominican bands.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And then you'd take them off, and then they'd send you the actual real, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
My friend, you know, Gad Elmaleh, that French comedian?
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
He's like the biggest comedian in France.
And I told him that I had gotten a while ago that I had a Cuban cigar.
He's like, no, you don't.
I was like, yeah, I got them.
And I go, did you get them?
I said, my buddy got them from Vegas and he knows a guy, he knows a guy.
He's like...
Tom, I'm telling you, Americans do not get the Cuban cigars.
I will bring you some that we have in France.
And then he brought some stuff from France, and I couldn't really tell if it was different, but his point was, Cuban will deal with us.
What you're getting is just rehashed or shit.
Maybe.
joe rogan
You definitely can get...
Yeah, you can.
tom papa
I think the ones I have now are legit.
unidentified
Maybe.
tom papa
I think so.
joe rogan
The only way to really know is to get them from Cuba.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And even then you don't know.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they could be shipping them from Dominican Republic to Cuba, boxing them in Cuba with their own rappers and sending them right to you to save money.
tom papa
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
I mean, once people realize that there's so much money in America now...
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I still don't think you can just go hog wild and buy like 50 boxes of them.
I think there's like a limitation on how much you're allowed to import.
tom papa
Yeah.
I went to, in Canada, I went to a warehouse, a guy that dealt with Cuba, and then he would sell them to the stores in Canada.
So it was all through the government and legit and stuff, and that was pretty trippy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Just walking through a warehouse of...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Heaven.
joe rogan
All humidity controlled.
Oh, perfect.
It's interesting how they have to do that, right?
They have to keep the cigars at a certain level of humidity.
But once they do that, they last forever.
tom papa
Yeah.
And you can bring them back, too.
If this is dry and you have...
joe rogan
You can bring them back, apparently, a couple times.
tom papa
Is that it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
After a while, they just turn to shit.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
You got to be careful of mold, too.
They can get mold.
tom papa
Where do you smoke your cigars?
joe rogan
Where the fuck I want?
tom papa
In your house?
joe rogan
I'm a man.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
I do whatever the fuck I want.
tom papa
You're lying.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Outside.
I gotta go outside.
I could do it in my office if I open up the window.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I have to have some fucking sophisticated methods of ventilation.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What's that smell?
tom papa
They hate it.
joe rogan
What's that smell?
tom papa
God, do they hate it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tom papa
Or if you just come home and it's just still on your clothes.
joe rogan
If I had sons, I'd be like, come on in here.
Daddy's going to show you what to do.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
I'm going to show you what to do.
tom papa
It really repels every female for miles.
joe rogan
Well, girls who don't get repelled by it, I do not trust.
unidentified
How about that?
tom papa
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Those fucking scandalous bitches out there smoking cigars.
tom papa
The ones who smoke them?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Yeah, those girls are fucking dangerous.
unidentified
They're dirty.
joe rogan
Those girls will shoot you.
She's got a gun in her pussy.
tom papa
It's true.
You don't trust them at all.
Oh, one of those.
joe rogan
Oh, she's one of the guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm coming over for the Super Bowl.
unidentified
I'm one of the guys.
Right.
tom papa
She loves sports, too.
joe rogan
Come on.
I don't even have any female friends.
Whoa.
When you meet a girl who doesn't have any female friends, yikes.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like a guy who doesn't have any guy friends.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ladies, if you have a friend who's a guy and he doesn't have any guy friends, that guy's gay.
That's the only explanation.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
It's the only explanation.
Or he's a fucking psycho.
tom papa
Yeah, he's a psycho.
joe rogan
Yeah, what kind of a man doesn't have any man friends?
tom papa
Sociopath.
Right.
joe rogan
I like hanging out with women.
tom papa
I just like being with the girls.
joe rogan
Women are real.
They're more real.
Plus, they talk about shit I'm interested in.
Like shoes.
tom papa
What they're really saying is I can fool them.
Guys know I'm full of shit.
joe rogan
Yes.
There's definitely that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Male feminists.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bead-wearing assholes.
Fucking namaste.
Say that again.
Say it again!
tom papa
I'm on your side.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm different, ladies.
You know, a lot of men are just rude.
tom papa
It's the guy in college with the acoustic guitar.
joe rogan
The fucking animal house scene.
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
joe rogan
That was one of the great scenes in unmasking that fucking fake, pseudo-sensitive, artistic behavior.
Which, by the way, ladies, is just for pussy.
If we were all camping together, that guy would not break out that guitar.
It wouldn't happen.
It happens because girls are around and he wants to appear to be soothing and sensitive and...
tom papa
It's the same as a male yoga teacher.
joe rogan
Maybe.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe.
I don't know, man.
tom papa
That Bikram guy with his little diaper on?
joe rogan
Oh, that guy.
The Bikram, Bikram guy?
tom papa
He was having sex with everybody.
joe rogan
Well, even better than that, he had a fucking warehouse filled with like Ferraris and shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they busted him and he said that this was for, he was going to start an education program for children on automotive engineering.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was the Bikram Automotive Engineering Center.
I'm not bullshitting.
He just got caught with this.
tom papa
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
And they just, he had to pay, or he just got judgment against him for millions of dollars for sexual harassment and fucking with people.
tom papa
Yeah, he was banging all of them.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just banging, because if you're banging all of them, they can't get money from you if you're banging them.
You have to be rude.
tom papa
But he was pretty...
You gotta be rude about it.
joe rogan
You know, if they like you and you're having sex, you know, like, I want some money.
Well, did you like having sex with them?
Yeah, but I feel like I should be getting paid.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yoga Mughal Bikram Shodri must pay almost 6.5 million in punitive damages.
There's a photo of him in the yoga place that I go to.
He's sitting there in the lotus position on a tiger body.
Like a skinned tiger with the head.
tom papa
Like a rug?
joe rogan
See if you can find it, yeah.
There's a tiger rug.
It's so retarded.
tom papa
He's always in that diaper.
joe rogan
But what kind of Mick signal you send him, motherfucker?
You murdering animals?
You don't even eat tigers.
You know, this isn't like, you know what I'm saying?
It's not like, you know, you ate an elk and you have the horns there.
No, you don't eat fucking tigers.
Like, what are you doing, man?
Why do you have a skinned tiger?
Are you a tiger?
There's the photo.
By the way, it's not just one of them, because that's a different one than the one that's in my yoga studio.
tom papa
Oh, that hair.
The hair is more offensive than the tiger.
joe rogan
Well, he was going bald, so what he did was just grow it long on the outside.
tom papa
He did the Ben Franklin.
I'll admit I've thought of it.
joe rogan
Here's the thing about those classes, man.
There's something about yoga classes that are almost inherently sexual.
tom papa
Yes, it is sensual.
joe rogan
It's wet, it's hot, everyone's in their underwear.
tom papa
It's definitely that one.
Yeah, that shot.
Look at all those girls.
joe rogan
Look at him and his little fucking speedos.
tom papa
And then he brings him in and he's like, you can be a teacher and he wins.
It's a cult.
That's the danger of it.
He really gets devout followers and then has sex with him on a tiger rug.
joe rogan
Well, it seems like no matter what, if there's one person that's some sort of charismatic leader like that and then they're doing something spiritual like yoga, someone's going to run a cult.
tom papa
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
Not all of them.
unidentified
It's powerful.
joe rogan
Yeah, not all of them.
I go to a good place.
I go to this place in Agora, and the lady who runs it is fantastic.
The group is fantastic.
I mean, it's a great place.
But it's a Bikram place.
And I was asking her, and I was like, hey, Rachel, this guy, this Bikram guy is a little fucking shady.
What's the deal?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They say that he's a very good teacher, but he's an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how everybody looks at it.
unidentified
I'm like...
tom papa
I totally get it.
I mean, you're surrounded by all these beautiful women in these sweaty scenarios.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
And they want to fuck you, too.
Yeah.
They want to fuck him.
Exactly.
joe rogan
They're tired of their husband.
He's boring.
This guy's spiritual.
unidentified
Namaste.
tom papa
I go to this great place in Sherman Oaks called Black Dog Yoga.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I heard of that place.
tom papa
It's really good.
And I've fallen in love with a couple teachers there.
No joke.
unidentified
And...
joe rogan
Of course you have.
tom papa
There's a couple classes that are like...
What are their names?
There's a couple classes that they know.
There's a couple classes that are like right after you drop your kids off at school, like a nine o'clock start, where it's not like the six o'clock, seven o'clock at night, young, hard body going at...
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
You know, they're moms, they've got a couple kids, or they're even older.
It's not like you're saying, okay, I'm going to do a photo shoot in here for whatever magazine.
You know what I mean?
It's just regular looking people.
You go to that class for a couple months and you start seeing the same people over and over again, everybody starts looking really attractive.
It is a sensual practice.
There's a thing to it.
joe rogan
It's hot and wet.
It's hot and wet and everyone's naked.
tom papa
I keep my shirt on.
joe rogan
Do you?
How dare you?
Are you scared?
tom papa
I'm not scared.
I feel like as a guy, it's 90% women, you should kind of just try and be invisible in a yoga class.
Get the outside row, keep your clothes on.
This is really their thing and you're kind of visiting.
joe rogan
It's their thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the guy invented it.
He didn't really invent it, by the way.
tom papa
No, he just took yoga and made it sweaty.
joe rogan
Well, no, he just put a bunch of poses in a sequence, and he tried to copyright that sequence, but he was turned down.
So there's people that he was suing.
He's a very sue-happy person.
So if someone, say, allegedly, I should say, allegedly is a sue-happy person.
So if somebody, I don't want to sue me, get it?
If you were one of his disciples, you started your own school, and you had his own program, and then you said, you know what?
This guy's kind of a douche.
I don't want to pay him money anymore.
I'm just going to go off and just call it Tom Papa's Yoga, you would get sued.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but even though he didn't invent any of those poses...
tom papa
So he gets a piece of every Bikram around the world?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
That's where he's making all that money?
joe rogan
That's where he's got all that loot.
And he was trying to say that the sequences in order, the way that he's putting them together, have some sort of an extra powerful property to him, and that that was his patent.
Check on that, because I believe that was turned down.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I believe it was turned down.
tom papa
But he still made all that dough.
joe rogan
Yes.
He made a lot of fucking money.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And probably still makes a lot of fucking money.
tom papa
I bet the 6.5 is not going to make him flinch.
joe rogan
I'm sure he's got that and cars just laying around.
tom papa
I mean, you know, you go once in a while, it's 10 bucks a class.
How are you making that much bank?
joe rogan
Well, if you have thousands of schools all over the country, all over the world, really, and each one of them pays you, you know, whatever, 500 bucks a month, kapow!
tom papa
Ha ha!
joe rogan
That's where it comes from.
So, here it goes.
The court affirmed that although Bikram had copyright protection in his published book on the sequence, he could not thereby invoke copyright to stop others from using the sequences described in his book.
Yeah, see, that's like someone teaching jujitsu and saying you can't teach those moves.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Jujitsu's been around for so long.
Exactly.
You could never do that.
tom papa
Yeah, this guy was born in the 60s.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Exactly.
tom papa
Who are you to take over yoga?
joe rogan
Fucking thousands of years old.
tom papa
The balls.
joe rogan
The balls on this guy, literally.
All tucked away in that little grape smuggler that he wears.
There was a guy in my class that used to go there for a while who used to wear the grape smuggler.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was very Sat Nam.
He was very Namaste.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
He had a man bun, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Grape smugglers and a man bun, I want to beat you up in the parking lot.
unidentified
Totally.
tom papa
Totally!
And I think the other women look at you over there in your Nike workout stuff and they're like, alright, he's fine.
joe rogan
They think so?
tom papa
Yeah, they're like, thank you for not doing that.
joe rogan
I hope so.
I hope so.
I don't know.
The place I go to is very nice.
Very nice people.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But again, it's great.
It's not like the hot, young, hard body.
I'm probably the best looking girl in the class.
How rude.
That was a joke.
Couldn't help it.
It's not true either.
There's some cute ones.
But the point being, that's not what it is.
tom papa
But there is a sexual vibe.
I mean, you're just there to do yoga, but there is that kind of thing.
Which is why I'm not too big a fan of the classes that team you up.
Where they want you to partner up for this thing.
Yeah, you ever have that?
joe rogan
No.
Oh, like you stretch you out?
tom papa
Yeah, they're like, get a partner, get a happy baby with your legs behind you.
Oh, Jesus.
Your partner push down on you.
joe rogan
And you fart.
tom papa
You know.
joe rogan
You fart on this lady.
That's what happens.
tom papa
That'd be actually the smart move.
As a married man, that would be the smart move.
joe rogan
How much porn takes place in a yoga studio where the yoga teacher says, I would like to review some poses with you after class just to give you some tips?
Let's just be as politically correct about this as possible.
If you were single and the person actually was into you and this all went down, according to this, that would be the greatest fantasy ever.
Like, you're in that hot yoga class, all hot and sweaty, and afterwards the teacher wants to fuck.
Whoa!
Goddamn!
She's like, Tom, I just really feel like your practice could aid with just a little private one-on-one instruction.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
And you'd be like, sure.
tom papa
Sure.
joe rogan
But first, we're going to start with a foot massage.
Um, okay.
Just lie on your back.
Um, all right.
tom papa
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
And then she's rubbing your feet and lifting your legs.
I'm just going to stretch your legs out.
And she's rubbing the inside of your thighs.
And you start moaning.
And she moans back.
unidentified
And the next thing you know, it's on, Tom Papa!
tom papa
Namaste.
unidentified
Namaste.
tom papa
I had a massage at the Bacara Resort in Santa Barbara.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
tom papa
And the lady got up on the table, like straddled me on the table at one point.
And it just, you know, I'm always thinking, is it going to go someplace else?
unidentified
It didn't.
tom papa
But when I came back to the room and told my wife what had happened, she was horrified.
joe rogan
She angry?
tom papa
She was like, that does not happen.
Ever.
She was obviously doing something.
I'm like, she wasn't.
joe rogan
Well, if you get Thai massage, they do it all the time.
tom papa
They jump up on top of you?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They climb on you.
This lady I go to, this bitch fucks me up.
And I say, bitch, she's a very nice lady.
I shouldn't say, bitch.
She's probably in her at least late 50s, maybe early 60s.
And she's from Thailand.
Very nice lady.
And she climbs on my back.
She pulls my arms up.
And she's stomping on me.
Like, she stomps the shit out of me.
She fucking, she gets her knee in my back.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
And grinds into elbows, feet.
tom papa
This wasn't that.
joe rogan
Well, she's always asked me, you okay?
This okay?
I'm like, just go crazy.
I'm fine.
unidentified
Just do it.
joe rogan
It's not gonna hurt me.
Just go get nutty.
Do everything you feel like you need to do.
You're very tired.
Very tired of this air.
And then she just fucking climbs on top of that table and just jacks me.
unidentified
Like, ah!
tom papa
There's a lot of comedians in New York who get the massage lady to come over to their house to jack them.
joe rogan
Yes, you're talking about Jim Norton.
You don't have to say a lot of comedians.
You can just say Jim Norton.
tom papa
Jim Norton and the outer electrons that spawn from Jimmy.
joe rogan
And the other guys who go, you could do that?
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
And the other ones who get the number from Jim.
joe rogan
Yeah, that doesn't seem smart to me.
I talked to Jim about it, and he's like, yeah, but I had more of my house.
I have a security building.
They can't get inside.
I go, but they know where you live now.
Like, what if they develop some bizarre fixation on you from the radio show, and then meet you after, you know, John Lennon-style outside your door?
tom papa
I don't think there's any part of that scenario that he doesn't like.
unidentified
Love it!
joe rogan
Shoot me, pussy!
I think also, you know, you're dipping into the world of people who get paid for sex.
And it's not necessarily a bad world.
I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
tom papa
No, it's a necessary world for some people.
joe rogan
Well, there's nothing wrong with jerking someone off.
It's like, why is it okay to rub someone's back, but it's not okay to rub their dick?
You tell me.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's foolishness.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, the only thing, I mean, I guess the possible threat of disease is, but as long as you know proper gun control, you know, to aim that thing away from you, you know, always make sure you point in a safe distance and keep the safety on, you're fine.
tom papa
And stand at least an inch and a half away.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't put it near your eyes.
You know, don't open your eyes up.
unidentified
I don't know if it's clogged in there, Mr. Norton.
tom papa
Ah!
I've never been to one of those places where you know it's going to happen.
I've never been to a place where it's never happened.
joe rogan
You need to talk to Brian Redman.
He'll hook you up.
tom papa
But you kind of hope.
You never want to go to the point of actually going there, but you go to the straight place at a nice resort and stuff, and it's always in the back of your mind, like, maybe...
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never had a place do it, but I have gone to a place where one of the guys that works there got busted because he was blowing all the dudes that would come in there.
They figured out that these gay guys, flamboyantly gay guys, were coming to this one guy, and they would be super excited to see him, like a little too excited.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And he had this little thing going on.
Where he would have these guys show up, and he would give them a half-decent massage, suck their dick, and then get out of there fucking giddy.
tom papa
Get a big tip.
joe rogan
The problem with those flamboyant gay guys is they're very vocal.
They like to talk about shit.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That was the best massage ever.
tom papa
I'm sure they had a nickname for them and for the place.
unidentified
Well, I guess the word got out.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But to think that I was getting a legitimate massage just a few doors over...
tom papa
Wasn't there a movie star that got in trouble?
For trying to...
joe rogan
John Travolta.
tom papa
Sexual advancing.
Right.
joe rogan
John Travolta did it a bunch of times.
tom papa
Right.
Travolta.
joe rogan
Yeah, he would get massages and he would back his ass up into their hands.
unidentified
In a legit place.
Yes.
tom papa
Back your ass up into their hands.
joe rogan
What's going on over there?
Oh, that's a good...
Oh, I'm so sore there.
Great tents in that area.
Open it up.
I'm going to get in there.
Where's my keys?
Look for my phone.
I might be in there.
tom papa
Did you see him in OJ? I've met him.
No, in the OJ show?
joe rogan
No.
Oh, the new show?
tom papa
The new OJ? On FX. No.
Just started last week.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
tom papa
It's so good.
joe rogan
Is it?
In the worst way?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Like, it's good?
tom papa
It's good.
joe rogan
Like a good show?
tom papa
It's gonna be...
It's a 10-part series, I think.
joe rogan
It's actually good?
tom papa
OJ versus...
The People versus OJ? Legit good.
joe rogan
Oh, I thought you were saying it's good like it's retarded and I should watch it because it's bad.
tom papa
No.
And Travolta plays...
joe rogan
Kardashian?
tom papa
No.
Robert Shapiro.
Robert Shapiro.
joe rogan
Did they shave his head?
tom papa
Creepy, cool...
joe rogan
That's Shapiro?
Wasn't Shapiro a bald guy?
tom papa
He's kind of flamboyant.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm confusing Robert Shapiro with F. Lee Bailey.
tom papa
I'm telling you Joe this this thing is you think like you're you're tapped out on OJ like why would I mmm one episode and you're like oh man this is gonna be John Travolta has a good wonderful wig He does.
joe rogan
I mean, that is just...
Get in close on that hairline, Jamie.
That is impeccable.
tom papa
That is really nice.
joe rogan
This poor bastard...
I was at a store the other day, and this poor bastard in front of me had one of the worst wigs I've ever seen in my life.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
I just want to say to him, yeah.
tom papa
Full-on wig?
joe rogan
It was ridiculous.
It was just ridiculous.
tom papa
2016 wig.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Have you seen Mickey Rourke?
tom papa
No.
unidentified
Oh, God.
That's perfect.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking hairline.
It's incredible.
tom papa
It's on again tonight.
unidentified
Okay.
tom papa
You'll like it.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
You can definitely see him trying to put his rump in a massage therapist's hands.
joe rogan
You can see it?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He seems fairly gay while he's doing this?
tom papa
Yeah.
Really?
Yes, he's playing this very erudite...
Yeah.
Good.
joe rogan
Good?
Really?
tom papa
Really good.
joe rogan
Okay.
Dude, I'm on episode eight of Narcos.
There's only ten.
I finished episode eight last night, and I'm depressed that there's two left.
tom papa
Really?
That good?
joe rogan
Oh, it's so good.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
It's so good.
Pablo Escobar was a motherfucker.
Fucker!
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
He built his own fucking jail.
He turned himself into his own jail.
He built his own...
He made a deal with the government, with the Colombian government, where he would admit to...
This is all historic...
You said spoiler alert!
This is the historical facts, fucks.
tom papa
Taken from Wikipedia.
joe rogan
I actually knew about this in advance, but I just didn't know how they were going to play it out on the show, but they did a fantastic job on the show.
But he turned himself, I mean, he was a fucking major league drug dealer, the greatest drug dealer of all time next to El Chapo.
El Chapo's apparently even a bigger deal than him.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
But he made it so that he would only get charged with one count of smuggling drugs.
And even then he wanted to bargain that down to a lesser charge.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He built his own super powerful luxury prison.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Had his own guards guard him in this super powerful luxury prison.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's where I'm at.
tom papa
Where is this?
joe rogan
In Colombia.
tom papa
In Colombia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
So the government, they had him.
joe rogan
Oh, well, he killed everybody.
tom papa
But they had him nailed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And he's like...
joe rogan
They didn't even have him nailed.
He turned himself in.
He was just killing everybody.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, he killed everybody.
He blew up planes.
Just killed everybody.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
He just killed thousands of people.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
I mean, he had all these...
Sicario is apparently...
That's what they call a hitman in Spanish.
He just had all these hitmen just killing cops, killing everybody, killing judges.
They even had all this evidence about him dealing drugs.
So he hired this...
Like, um, a communist sort of revolutionary group to overtake the government building where his data was being held and blew it up.
Lit it on fire.
tom papa
Oh my god.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Lit up all his fucking evidence.
I mean, he took over a fucking government building.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
A courthouse.
It was insane.
It's an insane story.
tom papa
Is he still alive?
joe rogan
No, he's dead as fuck.
tom papa
He's dead?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
How'd they get him?
joe rogan
Um, we're gonna have to watch the show.
tom papa
Oh, I'm watching OJ! Okay.
joe rogan
I believe it was a shootout, if I remember correctly.
tom papa
From a rival gang or the government?
joe rogan
No, I think the government shot him.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Who shot him, Jamie?
Pablo was earning so much each year, they would write off 10% of the money because the rats would eat it in storage or it would be damaged by water and lost.
tom papa
My God.
joe rogan
That would be about $2.1 billion.
So $2.1 billion.
unidentified
Per month.
joe rogan
Per month was what the rats...
No, it says ear.
It says each ear.
jamie vernon
This picture right above it said it was 2 billion per month.
joe rogan
Factored in a 2.1 billion loss in profits each month.
Well, scroll that down.
unidentified
Loss.
tom papa
The loss was 2 billion.
joe rogan
But it says it was earned so much each year, he'd write off 10%.
That would be 2.1 billion.
unidentified
10% per year.
Right.
joe rogan
10% per year.
tom papa
Jeez.
unidentified
He was making 420 million a week.
joe rogan
Look at his face, too.
unidentified
Look at him.
joe rogan
Happy fuck.
tom papa
Happy dude.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Happy dude.
unidentified
So much money.
tom papa
I always wonder what these guys eat for dinner.
joe rogan
Whatever the fuck they want.
Babies.
tom papa
What's he saying?
joe rogan
Chinese babies.
tom papa
Around 6 o'clock at night.
Who was he talking to?
And what food shows up?
joe rogan
That picture did him in.
Because that was one of the earliest pictures of him getting arrested.
He got arrested and he was smiling at them like, you dumb fucks.
You're going to arrest me?
And then just wrecked havoc on the people that arrested him.
It was amazing, man.
Amazing.
tom papa
So the show's great.
joe rogan
He once started a fire with two million dollars because his daughter was cold.
Yeah.
That's for real, man.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
He was gangster.
tom papa
What years was this?
It looks like 80s, 90s.
unidentified
The 80s.
joe rogan
This is the fucking cocaine years, man.
Right.
Is his son around?
tom papa
His Scarface?
joe rogan
Wow.
His son, who's 38 years old, since changed his name, described what life was like on the run.
tom papa
Sebastian Maniscalca.
unidentified
It's Sebastian.
joe rogan
That makes sense!
Jesus!
tom papa
Oh, he's ducking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fucking.
It's an unbelievable story, and it's so well done.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
That show, Narcos.
Netflix is killing it.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
They're so good right now.
tom papa
So good.
joe rogan
House of Cards, that.
tom papa
Making a Murderer.
joe rogan
Oh, I haven't seen that yet.
tom papa
That one's pretty good.
joe rogan
I haven't seen any of these people tell me I have to see it.
People get mad at me because I haven't seen it.
tom papa
You know, that one, around eight or nine, you're like, alright, let's wrap this up.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
tom papa
Yeah.
You're kind of like pushing through one more set.
joe rogan
We can do this.
Why did I agree to a late show on Sunday?
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
At the funny fuck face in the middle of nowhere.
Did you see Soaked in Bleach?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
That is the documentary that was created with the help of the private investigator that Courtney Love hired, who actually believes that she had Kurt Cobain killed.
tom papa
She hired the private investigator?
joe rogan
She hired the private investigator to find him during the time that he was missing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But during his interactions with her, he believed her to be so deceptive and such a liar and such a manipulator.
And then the evidence that he presents, he believes, is enough to reopen the case.
He said they did a terrible job of examining the body.
They cremated him within six days.
The police called it a suicide, not an autopsy specialist, which is just not the way you do it.
And he said there's enough evidence to point to...
He, in his words, thinks that Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed for the money because he was leaving her.
tom papa
Had him killed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or helped him.
Helped him kill himself.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They said that the amount of cocaine, or heroin rather, that was in his body was three times the lethal dose.
But of course, that means for me, a guy who's never done heroin.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But was it for him, a guy who did heroin all the time?
tom papa
That other documentary with all the doodles moving around?
Did you see that one?
joe rogan
What's that one?
With all the doodles?
tom papa
Yeah, they took all of his notebooks and animated it.
joe rogan
Oh, is that a montage of heck?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I haven't seen that one.
tom papa
There's a couple of scenes where they show him blitzed out on heroin.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
It's a bad drug.
tom papa
It's bad.
So bad.
I mean, just wasted.
With his kid, like his little kid is right there on her birthday, something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's sad.
tom papa
So sad.
He's just, you know, in another planet.
Bad, bad drug.
joe rogan
I used to know a guy who had a serious heroin problem, but he was like a world-class pool player.
And he would get heroin-ed out, and then he'd play pool, and he wouldn't miss.
He had no nerves.
And he would be playing my friend George the Greek.
Not like the famous George the Greek, the racist guy.
Although this guy was probably racist, too.
tom papa
Right?
Jimmy the Greek.
joe rogan
Jimmy the Greek, right.
unidentified
My friend George the Greek, he would talk like this, this fucking cocksucker.
joe rogan
And George the Greek would be so mad because he would gamble with this guy.
And the guy's name was Water Dog.
They would call him either Buffalo Bill or Water Dog.
Those were his two nicknames.
tom papa
Both cool names.
joe rogan
This guy used to go to the bathroom.
He would lock the door in the men's room at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York.
He would go in there, lock the bathroom door, and then come out 10 years later to him.
But 10 minutes later, he would come out just whacked.
Walked out of his mind.
He would sit in a bar stool like this.
He would sit down, and he would have his arms on the rest, but his wrists would just hang there.
His hands would gently rest on his gut, and his hands would just sit there, and he would just zone out for another 20 minutes, and then he would get up.
tom papa
And be good?
joe rogan
He would get up, and he had, like, shark eyes.
His eyes were, like, black, like his pupils were totally dilated.
And he would get up, and he would screw together his cue.
There's a photo of him.
You can find it online.
Buffalo Bill or Water Dog, Pool Player.
I forget his real name.
Anyway, he screwed together his cue, and he wouldn't fucking miss.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
And they were playing on this table with these really tiny, tight pockets.
It was a gambler's table.
It was table one at Executive Billiards.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they were playing for thousands of dollars.
And you know, that's a fucking lot of pressure.
This guy didn't feel a thing.
He was just dead on the inside, just gone from the air.
tom papa
How long did he last?
joe rogan
He was good for hours.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Hours like that, yeah.
tom papa
How many years?
joe rogan
Oh, he's dead.
He's dead now.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he died a few years back.
tom papa
Where were you doing shooting pool in White Plains?
joe rogan
That's where I used to live.
I used to live in New Rochelle.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I got an apartment in New Rochelle because it was close to Executive Billiards in White Plains.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was the place I hung out.
tom papa
That's great.
joe rogan
I was there so often my manager thought that I had a problem.
He's like, are you taking pool more seriously than your career?
I'm like, God, I might be.
It was just so much fun.
The people that I hung out with were so fun.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Mount Vernon, Tommy, International Sal.
I hung out with a guy who was an international credit card smuggler.
He was the first.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
His name was International Sal.
And International Sal, he was a gambler, but I use that word loosely because he was an incredible loser.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But he made so much money from all this credit card swindling that he would go into the pool hall.
This is before my time, before I met him.
I met him once he got out of jail, but he was still a loser.
He just couldn't win.
Right.
Psychologically, he had these blocks.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would have a ball sitting in front of the hole.
It was for $1,000, and he'd just bobble it.
He could never win.
He'd never won.
tom papa
Weird.
joe rogan
He never won.
It was just psychology.
tom papa
That's a weird thing, isn't it?
joe rogan
It was crazy.
So, during the time where he was a swindler...
What he would do is this was the early days of credit cards.
This was like the 1980s.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
American Express.
They would take these receipts that they would get them from stores.
Like say if they run your credit card on something.
Yeah, they get the carbons.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
They would get those carbons and then they would make copies of the credit card.
They make another copy of the credit card.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And just fucking run up these crazy bills, buy all this shit and then sell the shit.
And so he would get money and they would come to the pool hall with just brown paper bags filled with $100 bills.
And people from all over the world would come to find him to play with him.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because he was a loser.
Because he was a loser with tons and tons of cash.
tom papa
Ah, so he would just lose all of it in his bets?
joe rogan
And I say he's a loser.
I don't mean like as a person.
He was a very nice guy.
But I mean like as a pool player, he was a loser.
And he wasn't a bad player either.
tom papa
So like good enough to play, but the big games.
joe rogan
He was a decent player.
He psychologically was a beaten man.
He just could not do it.
tom papa
Did he drink?
joe rogan
Nope.
No, I don't believe he did.
He died of cancer.
And it was an ugly one too.
My friend's mom was one of the nurses that was taking care of him.
And it was just...
It ended bad.
But they're all dead.
All those people that I knew back then.
Yeah, the guy who owned it.
Guy Azariti.
He was this fucking hilarious piano player.
He was a musician who wanted to invest his money, and he bought a pool hall.
And it just became this incredible hangout.
Because this guy, Guy Azariti, who owned it, was the nicest guy on the planet.
And everybody loved him.
So they would come and hang out at his pool hall, partially just to say hi and hang out with him.
And then he created this incredible environment.
It was all fun and laughs.
tom papa
Did you know other comics there?
joe rogan
There was one, this guy John Tobin, who was a buddy of mine at the time.
He worked there.
He did a part-time gig there, like the counterman for a little bit.
But no, it was mostly just pool players.
Me and a bunch of pool players.
unidentified
That's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Degenerates and weirdos.
tom papa
That's pretty cool that you had the balls to just go hang out there with all these crackpots.
joe rogan
Well, I became addicted to pool.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And when I became addicted to pool, it was like that was my spot.
I was there every night.
And I knew a lot of the people that worked there and ran it.
And Guy, the owner, was a good friend of mine.
So we would be there oftentimes till the morning.
And then we'd get up, we'd go to the diner.
And this was, I was 24. 4, 20, somewhere around then.
So I had no job.
My job was to do jokes.
So I would do jokes at night.
Literally, I would get up, I'd go to the gym, I'd head over to the pool hall, I'd hang out, see what's going on.
Then I would go do my gig, and then I'd come back to the pool hall, and I'd stay there until the morning.
tom papa
Where would you go gig?
joe rogan
Wherever.
tom papa
Just in the city?
joe rogan
It was either in the city or...
A lot of the gigs that I did when I first moved to New York, I used to do...
I did Dangerfields.
I did the comic strip.
I did all those.
I did Catch.
That's when Catch was still there.
Catch the Rising Star was still there.
But I didn't like the fact that I only did 10 minutes and then it wasn't any money.
So I was doing a lot of Connecticut gigs with this guy, John Shuler.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Do you ever do those Connecticut gigs?
tom papa
I don't...
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
John Schuler.
He kept me paid.
tom papa
That name's familiar.
joe rogan
Oh, it was great.
Great guy.
Yeah, he had a bunch of good gigs.
They were like solid Connecticut, like, you know, like hotel lounge gigs.
They would have a bar and we had a nice little stage.
But there was Jersey gigs.
I did a lot of those for this guy, Bob Gonzo.
tom papa
Gonzo, yeah.
joe rogan
You know him?
tom papa
Yeah, I think I did a couple out in Summit, New Jersey or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Shore.
I did those with him and I did with Otto and George.
We did a bunch of those out there.
And then I did Connecticut, Jersey, Long Island, did a lot of Long Island gigs, the brokerage, Governors.
But those gigs were better.
tom papa
So the pool hall, though, is the thing that made you set up shop there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Rather than going to the city.
joe rogan
Well, I couldn't afford the city.
I couldn't afford parking.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because I knew that I needed a car.
I had a car and I wasn't going to get rid of it.
So I was like, okay, I can't afford an apartment.
Like apartments for people who are out of the country or out of the city.
New York City apartment rates are so insane that it doesn't make sense that anybody could afford to live there other than rich people.
tom papa
And it's gotten so much worse from back then.
joe rogan
Way worse.
unidentified
Way worse.
tom papa
Back then you couldn't achieve it now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Forget it.
joe rogan
Well, I was poor as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, back then when I first moved there, I lived with my grandfather in North 9th Street in Newark, New Jersey.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Which was the ghetto.
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
Hardcore.
joe rogan
My grandfather bought it in the 1940s, when it was an all-Italian neighborhood, and then it became an all-black neighborhood, and then it became Puerto Rican, and then it became Dominican, and...
tom papa
All the production left and all the jobs dried up.
joe rogan
Also, they did blockbusting where the real estate people would come door to door and they would say, hey, black people are moving in.
You've got to sell now, otherwise your property value is going to go through the floor.
And they would literally clean out whole blocks like that and sell them and people would sell their houses in a panic.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they did to my grandfather.
And he's like, I like black people.
Get the fuck out of here.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
He just wouldn't move.
He stayed there to the end.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Yeah, there was a common tactic that they used to use.
unidentified
Find a picture of that guy?
tom papa
So dirty.
jamie vernon
I had a couple people, and then I kind of started getting distracted.
unidentified
Was it Mike Siegel?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Mike Siegel's a famous world champion.
This guy's name was Buffalo Bill.
That is what they used to call him, pool player, gambler, or water dog.
But he was a weird-looking guy.
tom papa
So did you know of the pool hall and then say, let me try and find a place near here, or it was the other way around?
joe rogan
No, I was living in New Jersey with my grandfather, trying to save up enough money to get an apartment.
And when I saved up enough money to get an apartment, I was taking a trek down to White Plains all the time because of my friend John and my friend Johnny B. Johnny B was actually a professional pool hustler.
He was one of my best friends.
Became one of my best friends around that same town.
But it was a special place, man.
I thought about almost writing a book about the adventures of being a part of that place because it was so fun.
tom papa
I was just going to say, I think I've been in LA too long because the whole time you're like, this is a great movie or show.
joe rogan
Well, it was like a movie because it was like every night there was something going on there and we would run to get to that place.
I couldn't wait to get in there.
You'd get in the door and no one had a phone back then because there was a cell phone or a pay phone.
The pay phone, people would be on the phone all the time getting calls.
It would ring and people would call.
tom papa
So cool.
joe rogan
No one had cell phones.
But people would come in from all over the country because that was a place that had gambling action.
So guys would come in from Canada.
Guys would come in from California.
A guy came in from...
They'd come in from all over the place.
tom papa
And you're playing, but not at that level.
joe rogan
No, no, I wasn't good.
tom papa
You're just playing like...
joe rogan
I was more of a spectator.
I was playing and I was playing in tournaments and stuff like that.
I got better over the couple of years that I lived there, but I was never at a level that these guys were at.
These were like real professional level players would go there.
tom papa
And is it like any sport, like those guys just had something special or they just put more time in?
joe rogan
Time.
Yeah.
I think there's certain special things, like athleticism.
Like Karl Malone or Michael Jordan.
Fill in the blanks with some of the elite athletes.
tom papa
Yeah, LeBron.
joe rogan
Yeah, LeBron James and you.
tom papa
Myself.
joe rogan
You're a regular guy.
tom papa
At yoga.
joe rogan
You're a regular guy.
He's not.
There's a giant advantage.
There's a giant advantage.
So he has that thing.
And then on top of that, I think when you get a guy like LeBron James, what you get is a guy who has this massive physical advantage and then dedication and then intelligence and then discipline.
And then you get a great one.
That's a once-in-a-lifetime athlete that comes along that has the whole package.
But with Poole, it's not like that because there's no physical strength aspect of it.
tom papa
Long arms?
joe rogan
Nope.
Doesn't help at all.
Some of the best players in the world are really tiny guys.
tom papa
Are they really?
joe rogan
Jose Perica.
tom papa
Using the bridge?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or they switch hands.
They play left-handed.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Jose Perica is one of the greatest players of all time.
He's like 5'1".
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Tiny little Filipino guy.
Yeah.
tom papa
So it's just more dedication and time and playing.
joe rogan
Dedication, understanding of geometry, angles, understanding how the ball is going to reflect off other balls, how it's going to bounce off the rail, things along those lines.
tom papa
So you got good though?
joe rogan
I got pretty good.
I never got real good.
I got good compared to regular people.
Regular people see me play, they're like, holy shit, he can play.
But a pool player would never be impressed.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
I'm okay.
tom papa
What's that game with, I don't think there are pockets.
joe rogan
Three cushion billiards?
tom papa
Is that what it is?
joe rogan
Three different balls.
You hit one ball and it has to go three cushions and then hit the other ball.
tom papa
Right.
That's a weird game.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a game that's really popular in South America, really popular in Korea.
In Koreatown, you can go to Koreatown, they have three cushion billiards places.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
Where was I? St. Lucia or someplace like that, and they had a table there, and no one knew what they were doing.
joe rogan
Yeah, we used to have one that they set up at Executive, and people from all these other countries, like a lot of Mexican players would come in, guys who worked in the area who were Latino or from Latin American countries.
They'd be so happy to find a table like that.
tom papa
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Isn't it weird how some games just can last centuries?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Like chess.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
Pool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Bocce.
You know what I mean?
That there's something to...
They just got it right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That it could last that long.
joe rogan
Chess is an amazing one.
unidentified
Weird thing.
joe rogan
An amazing one in that regard, because there's never been a game that's really come along that's become any sort of a contender for the intellectual game.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That is the intellectual game.
tom papa
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
Battleship made a run at it.
joe rogan
No, it didn't.
tom papa
You sank my Battleship!
B9! No, chess is sick.
joe rogan
It's also one game, it's one of the few games where you can tell people you play and they don't look at you like you're wasting your time.
tom papa
You're right.
That's exactly right.
You're like, oh, okay.
joe rogan
Like, even pool.
I tell people I love to lay pool, they're like, well, what are you doing?
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Get home to your family.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You tell people you're involved in a chess tournament, and you're like, wow, he's a dedicated intellectual that Tom Papa thinks.
tom papa
It really is true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I wish I knew more people who played chess.
I tried to get my daughters into it, but...
It's a cool thing to be able to do.
unidentified
It is.
tom papa
It's so engrossing.
joe rogan
It's very good for your mind.
Yeah.
There was a guy, I was on a movie once, and the guy was renting his house out for, you know, have you ever seen how they do that?
Like people rent their house out for movies?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I used to know a guy, that's how he paid his whole mortgage.
He had a cool house in the Hollywood Hills, and he would just rent it out to movie studios and TV studios.
And that's how he paid his bills.
And they would only use it like a couple days a month, and that paid it for everything.
But anyway, this guy was a chess player, and all he did was play chess.
And so we're hanging around with this guy in his house.
And I'm like, so you just play chess?
He goes, yeah, I play chess, and I'm divorced, so I don't need the whole house.
I rent the house out for movies, and it's kind of fun.
I like watching movies get filmed in my house.
I'm like, wow, that's crazy, because he had kind of a cool house.
And so I went with him.
I was like, show me what you do.
He goes, okay.
Well, I'm about to get a game right now, so I'll go to this forum, and I'll say who would like to have a game, and then they meet up in this room, and then they play chess online.
tom papa
Online.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was watching him play chess online, and that's apparently where the majority of games get played.
tom papa
Right.
Norton and I were starting to do that.
You could play against each other online.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tom papa
Yeah.
And it's cool, but there's...
The physical part, it's like anything with online newspapers, whatever.
I miss the physical.
joe rogan
Moving the pieces.
Yeah.
tom papa
But Jimmy was into it for a bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Howard Stern was into it to the point where he was taking lessons and talking about it on the air all the time.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I think he probably decided it was just a...
I mean, he's...
tom papa
It's a time suck.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a time suck.
tom papa
Once I started being able to read in the paper the moves and understand it, I was like, I'm spending too much time.
joe rogan
I would say that's when I'm fucking balling.
Look at me, I'm so smart.
Oh, king to rook six, of course.
The obvious move.
tom papa
In the Belgian variation.
unidentified
Why is it in the paper?
joe rogan
Because it's for fucking smart people.
tom papa
It's like reading the box score to a baseball game.
joe rogan
Well, it's always been in the paper.
jamie vernon
Is it a particular game that someone's playing that you're following along?
tom papa
Yeah, they're showing these two guys just played last night in this big tournament or whatever.
joe rogan
Well, maybe...
Has there ever been a newspaper that'll show a move and then ask you for the counter to that move?
And then you play the game out day after day?
tom papa
Um, no.
joe rogan
No?
tom papa
They wanted to do it, but then the Sudoku people blocked it.
The word fine people were outraged.
joe rogan
What was the conspiracy that we were talking about before the podcast started that we both thought was bullshit that you brought up?
Oh, yeah.
The Chipotle.
tom papa
Oh, the Chipotle thing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What's the Chipotle conspiracy?
Because I was eating Chipotle.
I'm on this wacky diet, man.
tom papa
What are you doing now?
joe rogan
I can't have any grains.
I'm on this.
It's called the Primal Blueprint Diet.
And the idea behind it is no grains, very low carbohydrates, no sugar, no processed sugar.
You can have a piece of fruit every now and then.
But you want to bring your body into ketosis, where your body burns off fat.
And everybody's telling me, don't fucking do it.
Everybody's telling me not to do it.
That doesn't work for this.
I'm like, have you done it?
No, but shut the fuck up!
Shut the fuck up!
tom papa
Where did you hear about it?
joe rogan
We'll have this guy on.
His name is Mark Sisson.
He's a pretty famous guy in the paleo community.
You know your term paleolithic diet?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's actually kind of bullshit.
tom papa
Yeah, I just read that.
joe rogan
Well, what's bullshit is paleolithic people didn't really eat like that.
They ate grains.
So what he's saying is like the name is wrong, but the principles of the diet are really good for fighting inflammation, for a lot of people, like he had irritable bowel syndrome, a lot of people, they find that it helps them with arthritis, it cures a lot of inflammatory issues.
Not that I have them, but I'm like, okay, well, let's see what it's like.
And then I had this guy Kyle Kingsbury on, who's a former UFC fighter, great athlete, great guy, very, very smart.
And he was talking to me about it.
And one of the things that he said was he was citing the mental clarity aspects of it.
He said it makes his mind functions better.
He has more energy.
He feels more even throughout the day.
And then I talked to my brother, Danny Propokos.
You know Danny.
Danny Propokos, who's a world champion jiu-jitsu player.
Who's a good friend of mine.
He found out that I was doing it and he said he's been on it since November.
And he also cited the mental clarity thing.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
And Denny's a real physical culture wizard.
He's always on top of the latest and greatest of all the techniques and modalities as far as training and stuff like that.
tom papa
So just no grains is the dominant thing?
joe rogan
No fucking grains.
Mostly fats.
Fats, like I eat a lot of avocados.
I might eat five fucking avocados a day.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I love avocados.
joe rogan
I had two of these steak bowls from Chipotle today with just beans, no rice, just extra heaps of guacamole, and then I ate two giant things of guacamole on top of that.
So I'm just eating guacamole.
No meat?
Steak bowl would have me in it.
tom papa
You didn't mention the steak.
joe rogan
I did.
I said steak bowl.
tom papa
You said steak bowl, but then you listed.
joe rogan
Well, it's a steak bowl, but there's no steak in it.
tom papa
But you also took the rice out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just no rice.
tom papa
Steak, avocado, and beans.
joe rogan
That's it.
I'm just eating boring shit.
The meat is great, but when I go to a restaurant, good fucking lord, it's hard to find things to eat.
tom papa
Restaurants kill every diet.
No matter what you're trying to do, restaurants are just a bad place to be.
joe rogan
Well, I went to this one place and I wanted to get a nice salad.
And then I said, wait a minute, what's in the salad dressing?
Do you toss it in the salad?
Yeah, it comes already tossed.
And you might as well be eating candy.
I ate the salad.
I'm like, this is crazy.
I can't even eat this.
I go, this is all sugar.
And they're like, well, there is some sugar.
And I go, what's some?
unidentified
A lot.
joe rogan
I go, this is a fucking dessert.
Your salad's a goddamn dessert.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
It was like glistening with like a syrup.
I'm not kidding either.
tom papa
I know, I know.
That stuff's high calorie.
joe rogan
You know Wood Ranch?
You ever eat at Wood Ranch, the barbecue place?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
They have this thing called a Natalie salad.
It's fucking delicious.
I love it.
But you might as well be eating an ice cream sundae.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's a salad that's covered in syrup.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Their salad dressing is syrup.
tom papa
So how long have you been doing this diet?
joe rogan
Today is, what is it, Jamie?
Day nine?
Nine, I think.
tom papa
How do you feel?
joe rogan
I feel great.
tom papa
Any different?
joe rogan
No, I've lost a little weight.
My body's always pretty much the same weight.
I don't really gain or lose.
But I did some things in the past that made me lose weight.
One of them was I cut all the sugar out of my diet and I lost five pounds in a week doing nothing else but doing that.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I was like, well, this is crazy.
And then I went gluten free for a while and that that helped me a lot that made me feel like there was something going on to that like Energy levels felt good.
My skin looked good like really healthy I think what that is though is a sugar thing because I think with gluten gluten is bread and pasta and wheat and that stuff is It's not like I had an issue with gluten itself.
I didn't have an issue processing gluten.
It all converts to sugar.
That's just a lot of sugar for your body.
And your body just doesn't want that much sugar to process.
It's essentially toxic.
And the more people are learning about sugar, the more people are coming to an agreement.
Almost all these scientists and nutritional experts are coming to an agreement.
Processed sugar is just fucking awful for you.
tom papa
Yeah, it's brutal.
It's really bad.
And it's in everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
tom papa
Everything.
I've been baking bread lately.
joe rogan
Holy shit, Tom Papa!
tom papa
Sourdough bread.
joe rogan
Sourdough bread is very good for you.
tom papa
It is.
It has gluten though.
Natural process.
joe rogan
Yeah, but sourdough bread apparently has way less gluten than regular bread.
tom papa
Right.
Yeah, because my wife can eat that but can't eat the other bread.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
It's a cool thing.
You just take flour and water.
You need a starter.
joe rogan
Culture?
tom papa
Yeah, you just start with flour and water and then the natural yeast that comes from around us in the environment goes in and starts eating that.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
And it becomes a living thing.
And people have starters that are like a hundred years old.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
You take a couple ounces off and you always maintain a little and feed it like a living thing.
It's like a bowl of flour and water, but you'll see it start to bubble when you feed it more flour and water.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
The yeast is eating it.
Yeah, it's the coolest.
joe rogan
That's crazy!
So it's in your refrigerator, like a bowl?
tom papa
So it's in my fridge, like a little mason jar.
joe rogan
Wow!
tom papa
And then you scoop it out, you take a little chunk of it, and then you feed it, and it expands, and then you take some of that and make bread out of it.
joe rogan
That is fucking nuts!
tom papa
It's pretty, yeah.
I never would have been into this if I didn't hear that concept, and now I can't stop.
I'm baking bread like Little Red Riding Hood.
joe rogan
Who gave you the idea to do this?
tom papa
This writer, a friend of mine, he's been doing it for a long time and he said you just have sourdough bread and the kids love it.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
I just started doing it and I just got hooked on it.
joe rogan
Where do you buy your starter?
tom papa
You don't buy it.
You can just start it.
joe rogan
You make a starter?
tom papa
Make a starter.
joe rogan
Okay, how do you do that?
tom papa
You just take some flour and water and put it out on the counter.
joe rogan
That's it?
tom papa
Yeah.
I mean, there's measurements and stuff, but that's it.
And then the natural yeast.
There's yeast around us just floating around.
joe rogan
That explains a lot of things.
tom papa
Yeah.
And it goes into the concoction.
And you'll see it starts to bubble and get lighter.
And you feed it some more and it gets bigger.
joe rogan
Why do you say feed it?
unidentified
Like feed it what?
tom papa
You feed it because it's yeast.
joe rogan
What are you feeding it?
tom papa
It's like a yeast.
Right.
Like a little community.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
And you're feeding it equal parts flour and water.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
And it eats it.
And now it's like this living thing in the house.
joe rogan
Who has a starter that's 100 years old?
tom papa
I went to buy a Dutch oven, which is like a pot that you can bake, that you put the bread in.
And this old guy was like, what are you doing?
You know the guy at Williamson?
I was like six foot lanky.
What do you need it for?
I'm like, I'm going to make some bread.
unidentified
Oh, I've been making bread for a long time.
tom papa
Really?
I'm going to be making sourdough bread.
Oh.
I got my starter.
Where are you getting your starter?
I said, well, a friend of mine has the Brea starter.
And my daughter just...
joe rogan
The what?
tom papa
La Brea.
joe rogan
What's the La Brea starter?
tom papa
That one is all the La Brea bakery bread.
You get the yeast off of the skin of grapes.
So it's a process where you take grapes and you put it in like cheesecloth and you just let the yeast come off of...
All grapes have yeast in the skin, eating on the skin of the grapes.
And that drips off and then you put it into the basic, start it with flour and water.
joe rogan
And you say La Brea...
tom papa
It's a little sweeter.
joe rogan
Bakery like it's a chain?
Is that what it is?
tom papa
Yeah, you'll see them.
They're an actual bakery and now they're like in Ralph's and everything that's all over.
And they say...
And like the places in San Francisco that have...
Big sourdough.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
That it all, it maintains the same starter that they've always had.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
So this guy said, so I told him where I was getting my stuff.
My daughter made one as a gift and then this other guy gave me a piece.
He said his starter came from Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
And he got it from a friend of his and it's over a hundred years old.
unidentified
What?
tom papa
People have been passing it on.
joe rogan
It's a cowboy starter.
tom papa
Cowboy starter.
That's what it was.
It was a lot of miners in San Francisco and all that during the gold rush.
They were creating bread that way.
That's where it started.
joe rogan
Now, I wonder how old the yeast organisms get before they die, and do they die?
tom papa
They probably reproduce, and yeah, it's a good question.
I don't know, because basically, like I have it on my counter now, I've been feeding it for the last day, so now it's kind of bubbly.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
It's like glue, and it's kind of bubbly.
So I'll scoop out four ounces of that, make bread out of it, and then take one ounce of that, put it back in the jar, feed it a little, and put it in the fridge.
joe rogan
So what's the process?
So if you took four ounces out and made bread with it, what do you do with that, the starter?
tom papa
You basically take a lot of flour.
This is to make two of them, two loaves.
You take 28 ounces of all-purpose flour or wheat flour, whatever you want to use.
You put that in with a little salt.
Then you take your starter.
You take the four ounces and 18 ounces of water, a bunch of water, and you make it into a cloudy mixture.
And then you dump that into the flour and salt that's in your mixer, and it just makes it into dough.
And then it just rises naturally.
You fold it a couple times, put it into a ball into the Dutch oven after a couple hours, and then you've got bread.
joe rogan
It's that simple?
tom papa
It's that simple.
joe rogan
How long before you start growing your own wheat and smashing it up with a rock?
tom papa
I'm headed that way.
That is the guy who I bought the Dutch oven from is like, I really like seed breads.
And then I looked it up.
That's like crazy, like 12 different seeds from different places and you mash them up.
I mean, then you're getting a job at Willem Sonoma.
joe rogan
I went to the Museum of Natural History, and they had an Egyptian mummy display.
Really fucking cool.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But one of the interesting things was by the time Egyptian people were older, you know, they didn't live that long, but if they did, they didn't have any teeth left.
Because the way they made bread, they ground it up.
They ground up their own flour, and it left sand in the bread.
tom papa
Oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Gross.
joe rogan
So their bread was all...
You were eating sand.
So it would wear away your teeth.
tom papa
That's gross.
I thought you were going to say sugar.
joe rogan
No.
Sand.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
It's so much worse.
No, you would wear your teeth down to the nerves.
tom papa
Just grind them down.
joe rogan
And they had all these methods that they were trying to concoct to save teeth.
Like wooden caps that they would put on.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
joe rogan
You could chew on that instead of chewing with whatever nerve endings were left in your face.
tom papa
Just so you could eat more sand bread.
joe rogan
Sandy bread.
It's fucked up.
tom papa
It is a kind of a trippy thing that you just put some flour and water and this yeast comes from the environment and now you've got this amazing tasting bread that the family can't stop eating.
The kids are cutting it.
unidentified
Especially with butter.
tom papa
This has been around forever.
joe rogan
Right out of the oven when it's hot.
tom papa
We're eating bread like crazy.
Like when you're talking about eating sugar and all that flat.
We just can't stop.
We're all going to be fat.
joe rogan
I'm going the other way.
I'm not eating any of it.
At least for 60 days.
I'm going to give it 60 days.
tom papa
I don't feel mentally that clear.
joe rogan
Have you been making some life choices that you regret?
tom papa
I told you.
I woke up at 7 this morning like, oh, I gotta do a show tonight.
joe rogan
Blame it.
That's the bread!
tom papa
It is the bread.
joe rogan
It is, man.
The bread.
It's fucking breaking you down.
unidentified
It's making me lazy.
joe rogan
That's so weird, man.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so weird that you could just put it out there and the natural yeast grows.
I had no idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
No idea.
joe rogan
I felt like it...
You know what?
I wish someone had asked me, where does yeast come from?
Because I'd never considered it before.
I would have been like, uh, fucking...
What is it?
A plant?
What is it?
tom papa
I don't know.
Fucking yeast?
You know, because you can buy yeast that just make regular bread and you throw it in there and it eats the flour on its own.
joe rogan
Wow.
Newcastle Woman maintains a 122-year-old sourdough starter.
tom papa
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
Whoa.
There was a woman online who was this radical feminist who made sourdough bread out of her pussy yeast.
Yeah, go find that one, Jamie.
tom papa
The kids couldn't keep their hands off it.
joe rogan
Oh, it was fucking flying off the shelves.
Yeah.
I tweeted about it, but it was quite a while ago.
Probably never found it.
But I was like, good for her.
tom papa
There is, I can't tell you, it's really a weird thing.
I mean, I would never be baking bread.
I don't know, I'm like hooked on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
A woman who made sourdough bread using yeast from her vagina just ate the bread.
It's her own pussy, though.
Why wouldn't she?
You know?
I would eat a cum donut.
It was my own cum.
tom papa
Cum donut.
unidentified
Ugh, gross.
joe rogan
Why is it so gross when I eat it, but when my wife swallows it, it's all gravy.
It's a good relationship.
unidentified
It's healthy.
joe rogan
It's a commitment.
tom papa
It's how life is built.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a compromise.
tom papa
Yeah, so I'm baking bread and getting fat.
joe rogan
What else are you doing?
You growing anything in your garden?
You one of those guys?
tom papa
No.
unidentified
No?
joe rogan
No?
tom papa
We're surrounded by bamboo.
Ooh.
joe rogan
I had a- Like a bow and arrow.
tom papa
Bamboo just cost me five grand.
joe rogan
What?
Why?
tom papa
Well, once we had the rains, nothing was draining off the property properly.
So they started looking at the drainage pipes and stuff, and the guys who built it didn't fasten them together at one point.
And bamboo has grown into...
It's like a log.
I mean, I never saw it this thick.
joe rogan
I had it happen.
tom papa
It's massive.
joe rogan
I had a root growing in my pipe.
See if you can find that, because that was online.
Like a toilet root.
It looked like a fucking...
tom papa
Toilet root.
That's what it is.
joe rogan
It looked like the guy was pulling a gopher out of my toilet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was actually, this is what happened.
When we moved to Colorado for a bit, I didn't use that bathroom, obviously, because we were there for like four months.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And so the thing had apparently been in the toilet.
There it is.
That's from my own bathroom.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
That's the bathroom in my office.
tom papa
Oh my God!
joe rogan
That thing, this guy's holding it up right now.
tom papa
But was that solid or was that fibrous?
joe rogan
What is that from?
Flickr?
Send me that photo so I can put it up on Instagram.
Because I always forget about this.
I need to put it up somewhere, show people.
But that fucking thing, it looked like, if you see how thick it is, it looks like he's pulling a muskrat out.
It looks like some kind of a weasel or something.
tom papa
How long was it?
joe rogan
Fucking huge!
It's like four feet long, at least.
tom papa
You start to get scared of it.
You're like, this stuff is really invasive.
Like, it could really do some damage.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's not good.
tom papa
Look at this beautiful bread.
joe rogan
Wow, that's your bread?
tom papa
It's pretty good.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
That looks excellent.
tom papa
It's good.
joe rogan
Makes me want to break my diet.
tom papa
That was one of my first ones.
And this is the starter.
joe rogan
Have you gotten better at it?
tom papa
Yeah.
Unfortunately.
unidentified
What's the difference between...
tom papa
I've got to get back on the road on home baking bread.
This is a lot of starter.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Just sitting there, right?
tom papa
That's before I knew what I was doing.
I was growing a lot of it.
Now you just need like a little bit.
joe rogan
And was this just like, do you have a burning desire to do this?
tom papa
No, my friend told me about it, that he was doing it.
And I came home at dinner, told my wife and kids about it.
And then for Christmas, my daughter started a starter.
She went off and YouTubed and figured out how to do it.
And then for her present, she gave me some starter.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so cute.
tom papa
So sweet.
So we started making bread off of it.
And then my other friend who turned me on to it originally, he brought me a little of the Brea starter.
So now we have two creatures.
joe rogan
Have you thought about experimenting with different starters, like the grape starter, the pussy starter?
tom papa
The pussy one's intriguing, I have to admit.
I didn't know about it until just now.
joe rogan
That's what this show's good for.
tom papa
No, it's uh, it no, maybe grow my own weed That would be good now.
joe rogan
It's pretty safe pretty safe to grow your can't really get in trouble for that California right Texas you can go to jail forever you can so stupid forever They can fucking lock if you they found you with a giant plant Not only that like say if you have a plant and the plants in dirt and the dirt's in a pot They wear the whole thing together.
So if you have a big heavy clay pot.
Yeah That would be good.
And the dirt that it goes in, you might have 50 pounds of weed.
Meanwhile, you really don't even have a pound of weed.
tom papa
Oh my god.
That's probably a male plant.
I grew it in college.
We had a house and we had like a walk-in closet.
joe rogan
Oh really?
tom papa
It was the happy days.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Just seeing it come alive and just knowing.
And you know, in school you had no money to even buy it.
Then all of a sudden we were growing it.
It was great.
joe rogan
That is nice.
tom papa
Not to sell, just for ourselves.
joe rogan
Good.
unidentified
Beautiful.
tom papa
It was beautiful.
joe rogan
It is beautiful.
tom papa
That would be a nice thing to grow.
joe rogan
That's a good idea until your kids find it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then you gotta explain.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Daddy's a pothead.
You know how daddy's funny and silly?
Daddy.
Daddy's enhanced.
tom papa
It was natural for a while, but now he's got to keep it going with us.
joe rogan
I knew a guy who had a dispensary, and in the back room of the dispensary was a very large room where they were growing weed.
And I went into the room, and it was like weed that was like five feet high, five foot high plants and all these lights and everything.
And I swear to God, it felt like you were going into a room filled with people.
There was like an intelligence in that room.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It was very strange.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Granted, I was high.
tom papa
You must have been really high.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
When I walked in there, but I do, I really think there's something to it.
There was something to that room.
I was like, wow, this room feels like there's things in here.
Like, it doesn't seem like a room full of plants.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you can go into a room full of plants, and you're like, oh, this is beautiful vegetation.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this is like, you know, a room full of, hello.
It was very weird.
tom papa
I totally get that.
You really start to care for them, too.
joe rogan
It's like...
tom papa
It really seems insane that you don't own a dispensary.
Me?
Anybody.
joe rogan
Anybody.
tom papa
With a brain living in California.
It's like, you see, you know Denver.
joe rogan
Print money.
tom papa
It changed that city and people are making so much money.
joe rogan
We're talking about going into Denver.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, we've considered starting something in Denver.
Perhaps some sort of an edible factory.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
But you gotta hire mercenaries.
tom papa
That's the problem.
unidentified
I want in.
tom papa
What do I got?
joe rogan
You gotta hire mercenaries.
And I'm not joking.
If you want to do that, it's not- Because it's all cash?
It's all cash.
You're dealing with a lot of people that know that this is essentially like a bank they can rob, but it has much less security.
And for the longest time, people were being forced to take these cash drops and take them to banks.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And banks weren't even taking them, so then they would have to take them to banks and convert them to a traveler's check or something along those lines.
There was a bunch of different workarounds, so they had to figure out what I do.
tom papa
Banks are taking it now, though, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck they're doing now.
The real issue is if some fucking wackadoo like Ted Cruz actually becomes the president.
Which is not outside of the realm of possibility, folks.
This is one of the scariest elections in recent memory.
For me, I think it's the most scary.
Because I don't think that people are willing to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Not only do I not think that people are willing to vote for her, I think that...
I don't even think...
I think...
The people that are willing to vote for her are only willing to vote for her because she's a woman.
They go, let's see if chicks can do it.
Or, I want a woman in office.
Yay!
It's that kind of thing.
But she's not compelling as a leader.
She's just not.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
No.
Bernie Sanders is interesting.
He's very interesting.
He's very interesting socially.
He's very interesting in that he's way more of a man of the people than anybody else.
And people are like, he's a career politician!
Yeah, but this fucking guy, he's so different than any other career politician that's running for office.
tom papa
He really is.
joe rogan
He's the most interesting and intriguing to me, along with Trump.
And Trump, although he says a lot of really stupid things, and he's ridiculous, and his ego's out of control, and the shit that he says about Mexicans is deplorable.
He's so wealthy that he can do whatever the fuck he wants, and he's using all of his own money to fund this campaign.
And he won't be a puppet the same way that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or any of these other guys on the right will.
Those guys scare the fuck out of me.
That Ted Cruz guy scares the fuck out of me.
tom papa
He's really framing.
joe rogan
He's so dumb.
But he's not dumb.
That's what's scary.
He's very smart as far as his education, but...
The shit that he says and oh my god.
tom papa
I think the Hillary thing though, there's also a majority of people who, from that party, who will vote to keep things going on the Obama track.
unidentified
Same direction.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I think that there's enough of that that will kind of grin and bear voting for Hillary.
joe rogan
Dude, Hillary Clinton versus Putin.
I mean, who knows what the fuck happens if Putin decides to ramp shit up because Hillary becomes president.
tom papa
She's pretty tough, though.
She had that job.
She had that job.
Thatcher wasn't a pushover.
joe rogan
Right?
tom papa
She was nasty.
joe rogan
She's not a real queen.
Whatever the fuck she was.
I don't know, man.
tom papa
Of that little province.
joe rogan
She's just so non-compelling to me.
There's nothing she says that's interesting.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
There's a great photo that I put up on Instagram that somebody made of the difference between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
And it's in regard to their response, like, what is the Olive Garden?
Like, how do you feel about the Olive Garden?
tom papa
Yeah.
That's funny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I'll have Jamie pull it up because it's so hilarious.
joe rogan
But it is how I feel about Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
I feel like she's just politics, man.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
But you know what?
It's politics, but she's also boring.
And I think that is something you kind of appreciate when they're in office.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yes.
Obama's kind of boring and wonkish, but it just kind of...
No drama, no big...
I mean, this is kind of...
I'm talking against her at the same time, but with Obama, there was no scandal.
There was no douchery.
There was no things taking us off track.
He just kind of went to work methodically.
It wasn't flashy.
It wasn't exciting, but things improved.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Olive Garden.
tom papa
An authentic Italian restaurant for the whole family, says Hillary.
Bernie, only when I'm high.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
tom papa
Totally.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a whole series of that.
tom papa
Yeah, that's great.
joe rogan
I just think that this is just, there's no one that really grabs me.
Like Al Gore.
tom papa
No, I know.
joe rogan
Al Gore, when he was running opposite of Bush, was compelling.
I'm like, here's a guy who cares a lot about the environment.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, and people are like, oh, it's bullshit.
unidentified
That movie and inconvenient truth is filled with inconvenient facts and bullshit and lies and propaganda.
tom papa
Not one question about climate change in Republican debates.
joe rogan
Yeah, they want to keep that on the DL. Not one.
Pill addictions, like we're saying, pharmaceutical addictions, cigarettes.
I mean, if there was a drug that just got released that's killing as many people's cigarettes, that would be the number one hot topic for debate, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If there was a disease like the Zipkin virus that was killing half a million people, it would be the number one hot topic of debate.
Huge.
Half a million people a year in this country alone.
But cigarettes skirt right under the radar.
Yeah.
It's because the amount of money they contribute.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Same thing with pharmaceutical drugs.
tom papa
Absolutely.
joe rogan
The heroin problem in New Hampshire.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
Well, why do you think they're drumming up such fear about all the terrorism and stuff?
Because these guys want to come in.
It's the same thing with the industrial complex.
They want to just, those guys spend a lot of money on those politicians.
joe rogan
Well, you also know the whole reality of the New Hampshire heroin problem was entirely spawned, entirely spawned by Oxycontin.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It was people that got OxyContin's, they got them easy and cheaply, and then they cramped down on it when they found that all these people were addicted.
So what did they do?
Did they fix it?
Did they cure their addiction?
No.
They made these poor fucking people try to figure out some other way to get their fix.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And the way to do that was heroin.
tom papa
A cheaper way to get it.
joe rogan
It's the only way to get it.
The only way to get it.
Because they couldn't get the pills anymore.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So they started shooting up.
That's where it came from.
tom papa
Exactly.
joe rogan
It was all spawned out of the prescription drug problem that we have in this country.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Apparently that movie that those guys came in here, those prescription thugs, apparently it's very good.
There's some insane fucking stats to statistics about it and I'll try to get those guys to come back in and talk about it after They're doing their their press cycle right now and after I watch it But the same guys who did bigger stronger faster, which was a expose on steroids did this expose on prescription drugs Yeah, Chris Brel and Mark his brother But it's fucking terrifying stuff.
tom papa
Terrifying.
Terrifying.
What's so scary as a parent is that you can basically raise this beautiful person for their whole life and get to the whatever age.
Let's put them as, you know, 17 to 25 when they're out on their own doing their thing.
One bad summer.
One horrible week.
One intense weekend and you can lose them.
joe rogan
Well, how about this?
Someone could fucking give them something and they can die from it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone can lie to them.
Someone could Bill Cosby them.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And give them some shit that they think is gonna whack them out so they can have sex with your daughter.
tom papa
Crazy.
joe rogan
And they could die of an overdose.
That happens.
tom papa
It's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
You can't even have your kids go to a party.
You can't eat, drink.
You can't have a Sour Patch Kid.
You can't do any...
I know!
joe rogan
Women have to be very careful about what they drink.
It's the worst.
I know people who've been drugged.
I've met people who've been drugged.
It's very common.
Guys drop things in women's drinks.
tom papa
Completely.
joe rogan
It's terrifying shit, man.
tom papa
Terrifying.
joe rogan
This Bill Cosby thing is...
I think...
It's awful and it's horrific, but at least it's opening up this discussion that I think we need to have in this country about men who are willing to drug women and have sex with them while they're out.
That is a creepy, sociopathic, psychopathic type of person.
tom papa
So creepy.
joe rogan
It's scary.
tom papa
It's really...
And powerful people like him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Wasn't the other one from that singing show?
He was given a...
Allegedly wasn't CeeLo Green busted for...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he was given girls ecstasy.
tom papa
Just without them knowing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Allegedly.
unidentified
Who knows?
tom papa
The guy who looks like a peanut M&M was trying to get...
joe rogan
Get some pussy.
tom papa
Get some pussy.
joe rogan
I couldn't do it any other way.
How odd.
I met him once.
tom papa
Did you?
joe rogan
On a plane.
I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.
For sure stop eating, dude.
Settle down.
tom papa
Gluten, grains, meat, steak bowls.
Stop it.
joe rogan
He had that one song, that Fuck You song.
It was a great song.
tom papa
It was a good song.
joe rogan
And that launched the whole thing.
tom papa
Since those allegations, I think he's kind of disappeared, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know what the deal is.
I mean, he might be in the middle of a trial or something.
tom papa
I mean, just to knock them out.
joe rogan
Well, ecstasy doesn't knock them out, but I think it makes them much more willing to have sex.
tom papa
Yeah, but back to the Cosby thing, like what you're saying, like that issue of guys that are just willing to knock women out.
How do you feel good about yourself the next, as soon as it's over?
joe rogan
It's not about that.
It's about getting back at women, I think.
tom papa
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there's women out there that hate men, and there's men out there that hate women.
I think at this point it's ridiculous to pretend anything different.
And I think there's a direct correlation between people that have been rejected and people that have associated women with someone who's going to turn them down or treat them like shit because they're not physically attractive.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like this fucking guy who's built like a peanut and M&M. Right.
You know?
tom papa
You know, I was lucky enough where I never had those interactions with girls coming up.
joe rogan
Were you funny?
tom papa
It was funny and pretty good looking.
unidentified
Were you?
tom papa
No.
Meeting friends as an adult who women just screw them over in their fable, they come out with a whole different view of womanhood.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I mean, mine was really pleasant and I always see women as the victim or I always see women and the guys who had a really shitty time and they got dumped on and whatever, there's a rage that these guys carry around.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
tom papa
It's really just kind of like a stroke of luck that when I was young I met the nice ones.
You know what I mean?
These guys are really like...
You know, you see guys, they kind of say jokes about knocking a girl out and doing all this kind of stuff, but they're not really kidding in a way.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right, right.
tom papa
There's a darkness any time you talk about women with these guys.
joe rogan
Well, there's always going to be people that got fucked over by somebody.
And if you were involved in a horrific divorce, and I have a friend who was involved in a horrific divorce that took years.
And I've talked about it on this podcast, ad nauseum, unfortunately.
He's got to pay her for the rest of his life because they were married for 12 years.
So, uh, he, like, she's a grown woman.
Like, if you have a fucking kid when the kid's 18, they're on their own.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But not, not a woman.
Like, if you have a woman and you're married to her for 12 years, by the way, they were divorced more than 12 years ago.
So he has to pay her forever.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Forever.
unidentified
Forever.
tom papa
Until she dies.
joe rogan
Until she fucking dies.
So if she gets in some life extension shit, some new science comes out, he, and he lives for 500 years and she lives for 500 years, he's going to have to pay her for some shit that he doesn't even remember anymore.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
And I'm not talking about a small amount of money either.
He's wealthy.
So he's paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
More than a half a million, I think.
tom papa
So what's his rage like?
joe rogan
Oh, it's crazy.
If you get him started up, he literally needs a drink.
Really?
It'll just start bubbling in his mind because the whole thing was a fuck.
tom papa
California?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, there's bad divorce laws.
tom papa
Really bad.
joe rogan
And there's horrible ones.
And if you get the wrong lawyer and she gets the right one, that's a wrap, son!
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
It's just insane that you don't have to move on with your life, like as a woman.
That if a woman's married to a guy, and we're not talking about someone with children, she doesn't even have any children.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
This is indefensible.
No children?
No children.
I've heard people say, yeah, but she's got to raise the kids.
What kids?
tom papa
No kids.
joe rogan
And when you tell them that, they go, wait, what?
tom papa
Right.
Exactly.
joe rogan
She doesn't even have any kids, and he has to pay her forever.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Forever.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It'll be millions and millions of dollars by the time she's dead.
For nothing.
tom papa
For nothing.
joe rogan
They had a relationship.
They enjoyed time together and he didn't want to be with her anymore.
So he has to pay her forever.
It's the most horrific form of prostitution known to man.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
We're not talking about child support.
tom papa
That's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So scary.
We're not talking even about a woman who put the guy through school while he was working on his engineering degree or something like that.
And then he went on to become successful and tried to abandon her.
And she's like, hey, I put you through school.
I'm responsible for a part of your success.
That makes a lot of sense.
Nope.
Never worked.
Never, never, never worked while she was with him.
Never worked.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Don't worry, baby.
I'll take care of you.
You don't have to work.
tom papa
How does the law support that?
joe rogan
Because they're cunts.
It's just a cunt festival up there.
Whoever creates it, whoever enforces it, whoever looks at that on paper and says, that's good.
That's how it's written.
A meteor should come from God's hand and fucking blow your brains out.
It's insane.
tom papa
That is crazy town.
joe rogan
It's so gross.
tom papa
It's so scary.
unidentified
That is insane.
joe rogan
It's scary.
It's really scary.
tom papa
What if he just got a job as a busboy?
joe rogan
Well, he's responsible.
tom papa
And went to a studio apartment and didn't make that much money anymore.
joe rogan
Well, I've got another one.
Dave...
unidentified
Coulier?
joe rogan
No.
Goddammit.
From NewsRadio.
Jesus Christ.
Dave Foley.
Why do I draw a blank on Dave?
Because this one hurts my brain so much, I draw blanks with it.
tom papa
Oh, no.
unidentified
Dave?
joe rogan
Dave Foley got divorced, and his wife wanted money that is...
The way they established how much money he was going to pay her was depending upon how much money he was making at the time.
So he was on news radio when they got divorced.
So that was the highlight of his entire life as far as how much money he's ever going to make in a month.
So they based it on a percentage of that, like 50% of that.
I mean, I don't know if he will.
Maybe he will.
He's a very talented guy.
He might have a hit next week.
But as far as right now, he's never made that kind of money ever again in his life.
So he owes hundreds of thousands of dollars, can't go to Canada.
If he goes to Canada, they'll arrest him.
And the judge literally said to him, your ability to pay has no relation to your obligation to pay.
Yeah, you have an obligation to pay.
I do not care if you're able to.
You have an obligation to make more money.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That's the judge's words to his face.
tom papa
And it's not like to make even $100,000 working at a straight gig.
That's like winning the lottery.
They based it on his winning ticket.
He won the lottery, basically.
joe rogan
For five years, he won the lottery.
tom papa
For a network show.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got the cushiest spot ever, which is a network sitcom in the 90s.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Back when they were real.
tom papa
They don't even exist anymore.
You can't replicate that.
joe rogan
How many sitcoms are there now?
There are 10?
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
There's a million actors in Hollywood trying to get on 10 sitcoms.
tom papa
Right, right.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And he's 50-something, so it's not going to happen.
I mean, they don't want the 50-something guy.
They want the guy that he was in the 90s.
They want the 30-year-old guy.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
What a nightmare.
joe rogan
Fucking Christ.
And he's another one.
You're around him when he talks about it, and you just, I need a drink.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
I need a fucking drink.
tom papa
Oh, that's so sad.
joe rogan
He's such a good guy.
Ice cubes clicking against glasses, and whiskey starts pouring, and you're like, fuck.
And he is the nicest guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He is one of the handful of nicest people I've ever met in my life, and when he talks about his ex-wife...
He just goes, she's a cunt.
And she will not negotiate.
She will not lessen his money.
She doesn't give a fuck.
She wants to torture him.
tom papa
What is that?
joe rogan
She's a crazy person.
tom papa
Oh, that's so gross.
joe rogan
But that's these crazy laws.
And when people say, well, why do you think?
Even my own wife, I say marriage is retarded.
It's ridiculous.
I'm happy.
I'm happily married.
I love her.
She's great.
I love having a family.
But it is fucking dumb.
You shouldn't say that.
It's fucking dumb.
It's dumb.
I shouldn't say it.
If you were making all the money, you'd say it too.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's a legal contract with the state that involves two people getting along.
That's insane.
It's one of the most transient things that we can do is try to establish sexual relationships with each other.
How often those fucking things last?
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
None of them last forever.
tom papa
Well, it's really a business.
You're really creating a business.
And it becomes a big business as you go further on and bring on other employees and children and that kind of thing.
And this is why you're not allowed to have sex with your co-workers?
Because that makes things very complicated.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you have a job and you have a secretary and you start banging your secretary and she's a part of this business that you've created with your wife, you've got real issues.
You're experiencing pleasure from someone else and that's like, you know, like if you are working on a set, you can't plug something in because there's a union electrician.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's his job.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You need that union electrician.
Otherwise, that guy wouldn't really be able to justify his position.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, your wife is your dick technician.
unidentified
She's the second.
joe rogan
And if your secretary, not only does she handle your paperwork, but also handles your dick, well, we got a problem here.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because we have one too many employees.
tom papa
It's very complicated.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, this...
tom papa
Trying to keep that on the rails.
joe rogan
Yeah, the secretary is really good at plugging things in.
And I just feel like I don't need someone else.
So it's over, bitch!
The kids are 18. Fuck off!
tom papa
Well, there's gonna be a big lawsuit.
unidentified
Oh yeah, Madeline Albright on speed dial!
joe rogan
Next thing you know.
tom papa
Does it count where you got married or is it where you got divorced?
joe rogan
I think where you got married is big.
tom papa
It's the bigger part of it.
joe rogan
It's a big one.
tom papa
So if you get married in California, that's like one of the worst places.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's one of the worst places.
One of my favorite stories was this New York really wealthy fucking millionaire, multi-millionaire business guy.
Marries this young lady.
He's in his 60s.
She's in her 30s.
She's hot as fuck.
He marries her.
And then when he marries her, he immediately files for divorce in the Dominican Republic.
I believe it was Dominican Republic.
Look the story up because it was real recent.
She had no idea.
They were married the entire time she thought they were married.
But he had filed for divorce and had attorneys represent her and him in absentia.
He paid for both lawyers, won the case, and got divorced.
In another country?
In another country.
So he's saying, we're not married, bitch.
We got divorced weeks afterwards.
Here's my paperwork.
It's binding in the Dominican Republic.
This is a legal document.
tom papa
Really?
Where'd they get married?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom papa
In the States?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so in the States.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Mick Jagger tried to do the same thing with Jerry Hall.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He's like, bitch, we didn't even get married in America.
We got married on like a fucking coconut island somewhere.
Yeah.
So he was saying that that didn't count either.
tom papa
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Did you find the guy?
Yeah, here's the guy.
Husband secretly divorced wife after wedding to protect his assets.
And look at him and look at her.
tom papa
Of course.
joe rogan
She's hot and young.
tom papa
Of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were married for 20 years, raising a son and living the good life in between homes in New York and France.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
It was all perfect, except one thing.
He had secretly divorced her just months after their wedding in an apparent attempt to shield his assets.
unidentified
Wow.
That is hilarious.
tom papa
He's 90. Yeah.
joe rogan
And now she's 59. She's suing her 90-year-old husband.
To nullify the divorce that she never knew about and keep him from selling an apartment that they shared.
That's hilarious.
So they met in 1994. So they met when he was 70. Jesus Christ.
tom papa
He knew what was going on.
unidentified
Yeah, he was 70. She probably said no to the prenup.
joe rogan
And she was more than 30 years his senior.
unidentified
Huh.
justin wren
So she was like somewhere around 30-something.
joe rogan
And he was old as fuck.
tom papa
Marrying a 70-year-old guy.
joe rogan
She says, it's a fraud, she tells the Post.
Well...
tom papa
What's the fraud?
joe rogan
Which one's the fraud?
tom papa
What part was the fraud?
joe rogan
What did you do to get that apartment?
Where's your money coming from, lady?
How's that work?
But it's not good enough.
See, we've established that when someone marries someone, they won the lottery.
When you marry some old rich dude like that guy, you've won the lottery and then you deserve to get paid from winning that lottery.
But the reality is, what exactly was going on in that relationship?
They were together and he made all the money.
And she wants some of that money that he made while she was living in the same place as him.
That's really what it is.
tom papa
If you're an athlete, you know, like professional athlete, how do you possibly meet someone and think this is not going to go against you?
joe rogan
Well, sometimes it works.
tom papa
Sometimes.
joe rogan
You can meet the right people, man.
It's really who are you, who are they?
It's so hard to generalize, and some relationships work great, and some marriages work great.
Some marriages where both people make a similar amount of money, and no one is really in it for the money, and they have a modest living, and they enjoy themselves, and they just love being together, and they like the fact that they wear a ring, and hey, that's my wife.
That's my husband.
We're happy.
We love it.
This is great.
There's nothing wrong with that.
The real problem is when you break up.
My buddy who went through this horrific, horrific divorce, he married a new woman after that, and she didn't want to sign a prenup.
And he was going fucking crazy.
And everyone was screaming at him, all of his friends, like, do not do this.
You have to sign up.
She's like, you're saying that it's not going to work.
He's like, no, because if it doesn't work, then the prenup doesn't mean anything.
tom papa
Yeah, and he has a history.
joe rogan
No, he's saying if it doesn't work, the prenup is valuable.
It comes in handy.
But if it does, what I'm saying is, if this marriage works, if you do your part, I do my part, we work it out, we make it beautiful, we stay together forever, the prenup doesn't mean shit.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because we'll be together forever.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So if the marriage is going to work out, it only means something if it doesn't work out.
tom papa
If you're looking at it as an investment.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what she's hoping for, or what she's saying essentially is, if it doesn't work out, I want you to get fucked over again!
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And you're protecting yourself.
You're protecting yourself from the legal system that's set up to fuck you if you and I don't want to be together anymore.
You have to get punished.
You must be punished financially.
tom papa
And he has a whole story that he can hold up in front of her.
Like, you know why I'm suffering.
joe rogan
And he works, like, long-ass hours.
tom papa
So what'd he do?
joe rogan
He's got a prenup.
tom papa
He does.
joe rogan
He got through it.
He wouldn't do it.
tom papa
How could you?
joe rogan
The beating that he took.
He lost a house.
The whole story is comical.
The ex-wife lives in with a guy now, but she's not allowed to.
So when they go to inspect the house, the guy literally puts all his stuff in a U-Haul, drives around the corner, waits for the inspector to leave, and drives back.
It's a game.
tom papa
Can't he get a private investigator or something?
joe rogan
Doesn't matter.
You have to prove it.
The private investigator, what evidence he discovers, there's only so much privacy you can violate in someone's home.
It's not his home.
tom papa
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
It's not like his own home where he could put a camera in his own home and catch his wife banging some fucking personal trainer.
This is not that.
This is her house now.
By the way, multi-million dollar house in the Palisades.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Overlooking the ocean.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
All hers.
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Oh, it hurts.
When you find out what can happen to you in a divorce, it's horrific.
tom papa
But what happens if he seriously gets a job working at a diner and is like, no one will hire me?
joe rogan
He would have to go back to court and he would have to figure out a way to get a judge to agree to lower the terms.
But the problem is he's responsible for maintaining her lifestyle.
tom papa
So if he takes that job, he could actually be put in prison?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Because he's not making enough?
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom papa
Holy cow.
joe rogan
Well, he would have to get a judge that agrees to lower the lifestyle that he's obligated to maintain.
He's obligated to maintain a certain lifestyle for her.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It's insane.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
Because we're not talking about subsistence.
We're not talking about like you have to give her $50,000 a year and that's enough for her to survive on and that way she doesn't have to get a job.
Or maybe you have to give her $100,000 for two years until she can figure out how to get a job.
tom papa
Like She's a human being.
joe rogan
She's a person.
Yeah, she's intelligent.
She's articulate.
She has an education.
She's not a handicapped person.
She's not diseased.
She's not broken, like where she can't work.
She doesn't have feet.
She's like a regular person.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
She's a regular person.
It's fucking madness.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, it is truly madness.
tom papa
It's really the worst case scenario.
joe rogan
But you know, the thing is, unless you're with these people, you don't know these stories.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Unless you know someone that's gone through this, you don't know these stories.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then when you hear these men's rights groups and then you hear feminists mock men's rights groups, like this is this is the reason why a lot of people won't take feminism seriously.
And this is because a lot of them mock these men's rights groups.
rights groups and this is also the reason why a lot of these men's rights groups have a valid point because there's a lot of men's rights points that are stupid as far like what do you care if these feminists don't like you what do you care they bitch about the way you act or dress unless you work with them what do you care If you're trapped in some office with some man-hating woman and she has a position above you and she's making your life hell, well, that's no different than being trapped in an office with some sexist pig man.
If you're a woman, it's terrible if someone is gender-specifically biased in any way, shape, or form.
But unless you see the devastation, it overwhelms someone's life.
Dave Foley's life, from the time that I met him to the time that he got divorced when he was on news radio, his life has been overwhelmingly influenced by this woman that he used to be married to that he doesn't even know anymore.
I mean, he doesn't see her anymore.
He hasn't had sex with her in decades.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But they're still inexorably connected financially and it has ruined his life.
These are just two people I know.
Two successful men who have to pay the women that they used to sleep with more than 20 years ago.
They have to pay them forever.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And that's just one story.
And the problem is the court system.
And this is one of the things that I was going over with Phil Hartman before his wife murdered him.
I was telling him, you know, I grew up in a really fucked up house.
When I was little, my parents split up when I was young.
There was violence.
And my mom, when my dad hit my mom, my mom got her shit and got the fuck out.
I saw it.
I saw him hit her.
And then we moved to my grandfather's house immediately afterwards.
We were out.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And apparently he had done it before, and he terrorized her, and she was like, fuck this.
We're gone, right?
So in my mind, when shit goes bad, you gotta fucking pull strings.
Just get out.
Just get out.
So I was telling Phil, I go, dude, get out of there, man.
Just get out.
And he was like, it's not that simple.
He's like, you don't give half.
I was like, give her half.
He's like, it's not half.
He goes, it's two thirds.
Because the fucking lawyers get a third.
He goes, it's a business.
He's like, you have to understand, there's a business involved in law.
There's a business involved in divorce.
First of all, he had to pay for her lawyer.
He's like, I have to pay for her lawyer.
I have to pay for my lawyer.
And there's two lawyers.
They're going to battle it out and they're going to drag it out as long as possible to make the most money on the case.
tom papa
Just ruin your life.
joe rogan
Oh, well, they get a percentage and they get paid by the hour.
So the whole thing is just brutality.
tom papa
Just keep it going.
joe rogan
It's brutality.
tom papa
And if you have somebody who's a little off, you can just keep fueling the fire.
She'll just keep it going.
joe rogan
Well, you know Carl LeBeau?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, how about this one?
Carl LeBeau, who used to be in the Outlaws of Comedy with Sam Kinison.
Sam Kinison fucked Carl LeBeau's wife and got her pregnant.
Carl LeBeau was raising Sam Kinison's child thinking it was his own.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He got a DNA test after Sam Kinison died, found out it wasn't his child, tried to get out of paying child support, and they said, no, you have to pay child support forever.
So Carla Bow owes hundreds of thousands of dollars.
tom papa
For Sam's baby.
andy stumpf
For Sam's baby.
joe rogan
He's fucked.
His credit is ruined.
He doesn't have a car.
I mean, he's devastated by all this.
tom papa
Just a working comic.
joe rogan
Just a comic.
Yeah.
I mean, a road comic.
tom papa
Road comic.
joe rogan
A guy who does well.
He does headlines.
But he can't...
tom papa
Wait, it's not like a...
joe rogan
Yeah, but so he tried to fight it and lost.
And so now, because he lost, he has to pay.
But he's responsible for another man's child.
Like, his wife had an affair.
And it doesn't matter.
tom papa
Why does that not matter?
joe rogan
Because we are living in a system...
Look, women are fucked over in this country.
Let's just make this a caveat.
Women get fucked over in this country all the time.
I mean, there's absolutely, besides what we're talking about with men that are willing to drop pills and girls' drinks, There's women that work in offices with pieces of shit for bosses and they sexually harass them and fuck with them and make their life horrible and create this boys club environment that makes it terrible for them to work in.
There's absolutely that.
But when it comes to divorce and when it comes to a man who makes money and the preying upon that man that happens, it's horrific.
It's horrific.
tom papa
That should be a documentary.
Someone should follow those stories around.
Really?
Because people don't know those stories.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Inconvenient Truth is another one.
Another Inconvenient Truth.
So it's bad, man.
There's a lot of people that get devastated.
tom papa
What state was LeBeau in?
joe rogan
What was that?
California.
That was California.
California has that law.
And in some ways, I kind of understand.
I have a stepdaughter, and she's, as far as I feel, she's my daughter.
I mean, I treat her like she's my daughter.
And if I found out that one of my actual daughters was actually not my biological daughter, I wouldn't love them any less.
I wouldn't want my wife to get giant chunks of money because of it, but if it was about supporting the kid, I would never change that.
I would never change that.
tom papa
But his case is more than that?
It's to support her also?
joe rogan
Well, that's not a fucked up situation, man.
It's goddamn Sam Kinison.
Like, why doesn't the Sam Kinison estate?
I mean, how much money are they making?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
How come they're not?
Why don't they pay it?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
That's his kid.
You're talking about a wealthy man who died, who's one of the greatest comics who ever lived.
I can only assume.
Like, I read something the other day that said that Liverpool, just Liverpool, gets $100 million a year from the Beatles.
I don't know how the fuck that works.
But just the taxes involved, the amount of money that they generate from their portfolio.
tom papa
Yeah, the taxes from all the sales.
joe rogan
Who knows, right?
tom papa
You're not making much off Kinnison anymore, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Kinnison had to have generated a few million.
tom papa
Yeah, but that's gone.
Right?
I mean, there's a whole generation that doesn't even know Sam anymore, unfortunately.
joe rogan
God, how is that possible?
tom papa
Isn't that crazy?
There's a kid that does a great impression of Kinison and he went up at the Laugh Factory.
Yeah, I think so.
And no one...
These kids at the Laugh Factory have no idea who he's talking about.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing.
We were talking about this OJ case.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you and I, we were around when the OJ trial was going on.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But a lot of kids today, they don't even fucking have any idea what this is about.
unidentified
No clue.
tom papa
No idea.
joe rogan
We're old, dude.
How old are you?
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
How old are you?
unidentified
39. I'm 48. Ah, so am I. How old are you for real?
tom papa
47, yeah.
joe rogan
That's funny.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It gets you, man.
tom papa
It's all of a sudden, you're like, holy shit, we've been around.
We've seen some shit.
But then you see people older, I always gravitate towards those people.
I'm like, he's still rocking it.
He's still going.
joe rogan
Some people are, but less.
unidentified
Yeah.
Less.
tom papa
Why?
Because they die?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jamie and I were just talking about this.
Me and Brian Callen, we were doing this podcast the other day.
We do this podcast called The Fight Companion.
We watch the UFC fights and we talk about fighting.
We get drunk and get retarded.
That sounds good.
Little exchanges that we have, Brian was throwing kicks, and I was teaching him how to throw kicks right.
And one of the things that people were saying, like, these guys are 50, how are they even doing that?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, like, they think we're dead.
But then I'm like, well, how many people do I know that are 50 that are taking care of themselves?
tom papa
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
It gets to a number.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
You know, I'm 48 fucking years old.
When I'm 90, I'm probably not going to be able to do any of these things.
That's just a fact.
So I'm halfway to not being mobile.
tom papa
To do any of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, at what level or what age do you get where your body just doesn't work right anymore?
tom papa
Well, that's the thing.
If you're active, you got to stay active.
joe rogan
You got to stay.
tom papa
I mean, no joke.
And when going to that yoga class where it's, you know, the after drop-off and there's some older people...
To see a 70-year-old woman in there standing on her head and doing a backward backbend, because she kept doing that, that's why she's able to do that now.
joe rogan
That's one of the things.
The place that I go to has some really good instructors, and one of the things that this lady was talking about was she's in her...
I want to say she's in her 60s.
And she was saying that if you just maintain your practice and keep doing it, you can be healthy and mobile deep into your 90s.
And a lot of it is just people neglecting their body.
Atrophy.
Where?
tom papa
Just, yeah.
You see people that can't even touch their toes anymore.
It's weird.
joe rogan
You've got to go to the gym.
And as you get older, one really important thing is lifting weights.
It's very important for older people because you need to maintain muscle mass just to avoid being injured and bone density.
tom papa
Don't they say you have to really max out as much as you can up to 50 because that's when you really start to fall off muscle-wise?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I haven't heard that.
I mean, you're slowly falling off from the time you're like 30. The whole key is just maintaining a level of activity.
You have to maintain a level of activity, but also maintain a level of maintenance.
And that's where I really love yoga.
Because yoga is taking care of a lot of like weird back pains that I used to have and hip pains and weird shit.
tom papa
It's weird, isn't it?
All of a sudden, all this goes away.
All that tension's kind of gone.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
tom papa
It is amazing.
joe rogan
There's a reason why those skinny motherfuckers in India have been doing it for a thousand years.
tom papa
You're right.
joe rogan
It's really good for you.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Do you do it high?
You ever do it high?
tom papa
No.
No?
No?
unidentified
No.
tom papa
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the way to do it.
Do you get high?
How often do you get high?
tom papa
Not that often anymore.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
Once a month?
Once a year?
tom papa
Once every couple of months.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You should do it.
tom papa
I want to do it all the time.
joe rogan
If you don't have anything to do during the day...
tom papa
When does that happen?
joe rogan
Just take a day.
Take a day where you tell your agent or whoever the fuck it is that bothers you.
Say, listen, Tom Papa's off the fucking grid today.
tom papa
Then I'm also telling my wife I'm not picking the kids up and I'm not doing the dinner.
joe rogan
No.
What time do you have to pick your kids up?
tom papa
Four.
joe rogan
Four.
You're good.
Take a 9 a.m.
class, you'll be fine.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, just get barbecued.
Drop the kids off.
Drop the kids off.
Take four strong hits and go to yoga class.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
You will feel your body in a way where you've never felt it before.
You'll feel like your vertebrae stretching in the...
Tissue in your neck loosening and it's like...
tom papa
I'm doing that tomorrow.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the secrets of the sadhus and the yogis of India is they would smoke all these chillums.
They would smoke hash.
They were all hash heads.
And they would go and do their practice.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
It's a big part of it.
Yeah.
tom papa
I'm going to try it.
I want it so bad.
I can completely...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Can feel it.
tom papa
For the first time in my life, I've always been active.
For the first time in my life, I have this issue...
Where I've got a muscle under here, under the first rib, that's tight.
And it's affecting back here down to my arm.
joe rogan
Affecting how?
tom papa
It's cutting off whatever nerves are running down here.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
It's like, it's constricting, it's raising this rib.
It's actually, it's just all tight.
The muscle's tightened, the rib is pulled up, and it's pinching on the stuff that's coming down.
joe rogan
Do you feel any numbness?
tom papa
Sometimes.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah.
tom papa
And so I'm going to this great guy, Colin Ello.
He's great.
He works with the Clippers and stuff.
And he knows exactly where it is.
And it's helping.
But he's like, do not sleep on your stomach.
He just goes in and loosens it up.
And it's basically just kind of releasing the tension of it.
joe rogan
Deep tissue.
tom papa
And it's working.
I feel it.
You know, it's only a couple times.
And there's two parts to this.
One is, I can't sleep.
I sleep on my stomach.
With my head to the side.
joe rogan
I used to do that.
I fucked my neck up doing that.
tom papa
That's exactly what happened.
And it's really, that's the cause of it.
But my sleep, I'm used to doing that my whole life.
Now I'm laying on my back.
It's so hard to sleep.
joe rogan
I lay on my side.
tom papa
You do?
joe rogan
Yeah, I lay on my side.
I put a pillow in between my legs and I lay on my side.
tom papa
This is, I literally, when I was driving here, I was like, Joe will know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I had the same exact issue, by the way.
tom papa
You did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Before, I hurt my neck.
I've hurt my neck from jujitsu, but before I did that, I started developing problems in my neck from laying down.
tom papa
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I had no idea it was just from laying down on your stomach.
joe rogan
Especially if you lay down flat and turn your head the same way.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Always turn your head to the right.
tom papa
Always.
joe rogan
You're fucked.
unidentified
Always.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard of those cab drivers who develop swollen discs or bulging discs because they sit with a wallet in their pocket?
tom papa
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Because just that lifting of your butt cheek an inch on one side fucks your back up.
tom papa
Repeatedly.
So that's what you're doing when you're sleeping.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really bad for you.
Tissue is really pliable, man.
tom papa
It is.
And then everything's out of whack, so you have to kind of reset it.
He'll reset me, and then it's like, all right, just don't lift your arm and try and be cool, and just kind of let it learn that it's back in its place.
joe rogan
You see that little ball, that little blue ball right here?
Hold on a second.
tom papa
Yeah.
A little blue one behind the creepy guy.
Oh, this heavy?
Oh, what's this?
joe rogan
That's called a mobility wad supernova.
That's a smaller one.
I actually prefer...
There's a larger one that we have around here somewhere.
I give them to people because I want people to use these things.
People have sore backs.
What you do is you put it on the ground or on a wall.
And you back up against it and put your weight on it, and you rub it up and down.
You roll the ball, and it breaks up all the scar tissue and loosens up all the tendons and all the fascia.
It's painful, but if you can bite your teeth and get through it, it'll make a significant difference in loosening up your muscles.
tom papa
It's such a strange idea.
Like, I've never had any issue.
I've worked out.
I was an athlete my whole life.
I never literally have ever been like, oh, that hurt for the first time.
And I had no idea the concept that all the tissue and tendons are just tightening and I'm just ending up like a hunchback.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things that pot will help.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you feel all those things.
You feel all those tense.
Like marijuana, it's almost like whatever sensitivity you have about your body awareness ramps it up to 10. I mean, it's why sex feels so good when you smoke.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because it just ramps up all the feeling.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It changes the way you interface with the nerve endings.
Right.
tom papa
I'm scared now to lift.
For the first time, I'm not lifting.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
For, like, since, like, October.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's not good, because that'll fuck it up even more.
Is that right?
Yeah, you lose strength in your back.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You need to go to a personal trainer that understands how to strengthen that area to keep this whole thing from happening.
tom papa
Right.
I mean, he works with the Clippers, and he's, I mean, two times, and it's like, all right, we're on to it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sounds like you have a good massage therapist guy, right?
That's what he does?
He's massage therapy?
tom papa
He's like a chiropractor.
joe rogan
See, I think chiropractors are mostly bullshit.
tom papa
I don't know if he's a physical therapist or a chiropractor.
I don't know what he is.
joe rogan
I think chiropractors are mostly bullshit.
tom papa
Yeah, well, I've been to some bullshit ones.
joe rogan
They're all like backcracking and nonsense.
tom papa
Yeah, he does crack you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're mostly bullshit.
But one of the things that they do do is all the other stuff outside of backcracking, like cold lasers work and massage work.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's a lot of other different effective methods of alleviating pressure and tension that work.
But all that backcracking stuff, if you talk to most people that study it and then try to figure out what exactly they're doing, they're like, they're not doing anything.
They're popping things in place.
And if you have something really fucked up, yeah, maybe.
Maybe if something's really out of whack and they can straighten it out.
But most of the time, that's not what's going on.
Most of the time, you're just getting this sort of placebo effect where they're pushing on your back and making a noise.
Pop!
unidentified
Pop!
Oh, we got it.
joe rogan
We got it.
You're good, Tom.
You're like, I'm good.
tom papa
I'm good.
joe rogan
I'm good.
I feel great.
tom papa
Now, this guy...
I mean, I was really a mess.
I mean, I literally...
I couldn't go like this without this just going numb.
And he got...
I mean, he was just like, no, it's right in here.
And then I was like, cool for...
You know, a week.
And then I'm sleeping.
I'm literally in my coach.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to do it every week.
Yeah.
You've got to loosen it up.
I mean, it sounds like you have a real serious...
Have you ever had rolfing done?
tom papa
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Rolfing is like a very painful method of deep tissue massage where they're stretching out your fascia and loosening up all these binding connective scar tissue, all that stuff.
And that can be super effective.
tom papa
It's all the scar tissue just from whatever abuse you did in life.
unidentified
Just life.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Muscle pulls that heal funny.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
It heal, tense up.
I mean, especially if you have a bad pull.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I've had a bunch of them.
There's scar tissue all over my back.
But I think yoga fixed a lot of it.
Like, really a lot.
I don't have any back issues now.
tom papa
But I do feel like, as much as I love yoga, I do feel like you have to keep lifting.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
And I haven't, literally, because this started becoming a problem, like, around October, November.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And I literally feel, like, soft.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's people that don't think that, and I just don't think they're right.
If you talk to people that are experts in physical culture, people that really understand what you need to do to keep your body at its most effective operating level, and they say it's a bunch of different stuff.
It's like you have to do cardio, you have to lift weights, you have to stretch.
Yoga is part of that.
tom papa
Yeah, it's part of it.
I was just in Hawaii doing a gig, and I'm at the pool.
And just like, you know, they have the no kids pool, like the serenity pool kind of thing.
So I'm there.
So it's all guys that are like, you know, late 30s to mid 60s.
Every guy walking around, there was like guys that were athletic, you know, like you could tell.
And then there's guys that are a complete mess.
And then there's a whole bunch in the middle.
joe rogan
The dad bod.
tom papa
The dad bod.
A little pudgy and no shoulders.
They all, their shoulders have disappeared.
You can just see it's just a bone.
A bone.
I don't want to be...
joe rogan
Ready to tear off.
tom papa
It's really what it looks like.
joe rogan
Try to pick up a suitcase and just...
unidentified
Yeah!
tom papa
Just from your basic life.
It's like, you can't end up like that.
unidentified
No.
tom papa
You can't.
joe rogan
Well, some people, they don't have a job like we have.
tom papa
I know, it's hard.
joe rogan
That's what I was talking about, my friend who got divorced and fucked over.
That guy works 12 hours a day.
tom papa
Yeah, when's he gonna go to the gym?
He probably would be better off, though.
joe rogan
He gets a trainer and sometimes he goes on his lunch break and stuff like that, but the reality is, he's working.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
He's gotta pay for his fucking divorce.
tom papa
But if he can work out, then it's kind of like you're anti-depressant.
joe rogan
He should move to Argentina.
He should just stockpile all of his cash, get a fake fucking passport, and just, you're on your own, hooker!
tom papa
And just go.
They can't come get you, right?
joe rogan
If they don't know where he is, they can't come get you.
I mean, it's not like he's...
tom papa
But if they do, I couldn't live with the paranoia.
joe rogan
That's true, especially if it's my pot.
unidentified
You're on the beach, having a great time.
joe rogan
This is the life.
Unless they catch me, and then it's not the life.
tom papa
Do you have a card?
joe rogan
Then it's life in prison!
tom papa
Do you have a card?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Everybody does.
You don't have one?
tom papa
I don't.
joe rogan
I'll get you one.
tom papa
I've been so out of it.
joe rogan
Come on.
It's not hard.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Just bring you to a place.
This is Tom Pompa.
Hi, Tom.
What's going on?
I need pot.
unidentified
Okay.
tom papa
Man, I'm so out of it.
I was every day for like a decade and then just...
joe rogan
Stopped.
tom papa
Stopped.
joe rogan
It's hard when you have responsibilities too.
tom papa
And I wasn't as funny.
It was hurting my funny.
joe rogan
Was it really?
tom papa
It was making me lethargic.
joe rogan
Oh, you're one of those guys.
tom papa
Yeah, it was making me not as funny.
joe rogan
Well, there's different kinds of pot, too.
And there's different reactions that people have to pot.
Like, some people pot...
Pot makes me more active, believe it or not.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kind of ramps me up.
unidentified
Some pot.
joe rogan
Yeah, sativas especially.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it makes me, like, really, like, ramped up.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Like, I want to, like, go watch documentaries on space and write shit down.
tom papa
Right, right.
joe rogan
Like, sometimes I'll smoke pot before I get in the sensory deprivation tank, and I don't even get in the tank because I have an idea and I have to write.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then I just find myself in front of my computer for hours just writing.
unidentified
That's the best.
tom papa
Sativa does that?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom papa
And what's the other kind?
joe rogan
Indica.
tom papa
Indica.
joe rogan
Indica is like the couch weed.
tom papa
That's the physical.
joe rogan
That's like, boy.
They're both physical.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're both, but it's not, it's more of a sedative.
tom papa
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
More of, it's great for people in pain.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
People that are in a lot of pain love indica, like back pain, like, oh, just relaxes them.
tom papa
Is there anything to what Neil Young was talking about of chewing coffee beans makes you less paranoid?
You ever heard that one?
joe rogan
Caffeine definitely alleviates a lot of the issues with THC. If you're really too high, the best thing you can do is drink something with caffeine in it.
Yeah, it severely mitigates the effects of THC. If you're fucking way too high, just go to Starbucks, get a venti coffee, and just sit down.
tom papa
Right, relax a little.
joe rogan
The caffeine will have a pretty big impact on it.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
But coffee beans, especially raw coffee beans, coffee beans are very healthy for you.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The actual bean itself, especially the outside of the coffee bean, the green part of the coffee bean, very high in antioxidants.
tom papa
Yeah.
I figured Neil Young would know.
You know, it's funny.
It's kind of like when you come back to a sport.
I was into cycling for a while and then didn't do it and then came back eight years later and it's like the whole sport had changed.
It just evolved so quickly and everybody knew different carbon fiber and all this different kind of...
That's the same thing with weed.
It's like I've been out of it so long.
You come back and you're like, no, there's a whole bunch of new things now.
There's fake pens and sour gummies.
joe rogan
And dabs.
The kids try to get you to do dabs.
unidentified
Dabs.
joe rogan
Those wacky fucking kids.
You ever heard of the dabs?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom papa
What's that?
joe rogan
It's really like you have all this equipment and you're taking THC wax and you fucking get a stick and a fucking torch.
It's stupid.
tom papa
I want to go old school.
I want a big fluffy tree that I can see and feel.
joe rogan
How about joints?
Just a new simple joint.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want to light this up right now?
tom papa
Is this like a simple?
No.
joe rogan
No?
While we're here?
tom papa
My Tesla will drive me home.
joe rogan
Yeah, just get your Tesla.
tom papa
You carry him around in a case?
joe rogan
Yeah, like a fucking gentleman.
tom papa
Then you got a show tonight.
Are you doing a show tonight?
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom papa
I'll be out of my head.
joe rogan
I'll smoke this right before I go on stage.
tom papa
Do you really?
joe rogan
Hell yeah.
tom papa
You're like a Superman.
joe rogan
No, I'm like a normal person.
tom papa
No, you're not.
joe rogan
You're the one that's got the issues, pal.
tom papa
Yeah, I got issues.
That's normal.
People with issues is normal.
Someone that's mastering their issues.
joe rogan
Stuff's good for you.
tom papa
I know it's good for you.
I'm going to crash my car if I start smoking it.
joe rogan
I'm trying to get your contact eye over here.
You want just a little tiny hint?
tom papa
No.
What about your kids seeing you smoking online?
joe rogan
Well, keep them offline.
tom papa
How old are they?
joe rogan
Well, the youngest ones are seven and five.
They're online and they see me smoking.
We've got a real problem.
tom papa
Two more years.
joe rogan
Two more years.
It's 24 months to come up with an excuse.
tom papa
They're going to go back.
Once they hit YouTube, they're just going to go through the files.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And that's what a dad does.
joe rogan
See this nice house we live in?
Yeah.
Daddy made this when he was high on marijuana.
Ha ha ha!
Marijuana's not bad for you.
I don't think it's bad for you.
tom papa
It isn't bad.
It's bad for a kid, though.
joe rogan
Yes, it is bad for a kid.
tom papa
You don't want your kids doing it.
joe rogan
But so is wine.
I drink wine in front of my children.
tom papa
True.
joe rogan
I go to a restaurant, and I'll have a couple glasses of wine in front of my children.
And I don't have any problem with it.
I've let them taste it.
tom papa
That's a good point.
joe rogan
I mean, they put it in their mouth like, it is getting good.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
But wine is alcohol, and you could drink yourself to death.
You would drink yourself to death off of wine.
People have done it before.
tom papa
It smells so good.
unidentified
It smells great.
joe rogan
But there's nothing wrong with it, man.
It's bullshit.
tom papa
No, I know.
unidentified
It's all bullshit.
tom papa
I was just in Hawaii and it was just so like...
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially when you're in Hawaii.
tom papa
Just made for it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Good lord.
It's just so perfect.
joe rogan
Hawaii has a meth problem.
tom papa
Do they?
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of poverty.
tom papa
Yeah, well, I know.
There's parts of it that are...
It's just a regular place.
joe rogan
Yep.
But that drives me crazy, because I'm like, oh my god, you live in arguably the greatest spot on earth, and somehow or another people get hooked on meth there.
tom papa
I know, and they're in a horrible strip mall, and ugh.
joe rogan
Sad.
tom papa
It is paradise there, though.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
tom papa
If you do it right and stay in the right places.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The people are great, too.
They have a very relaxed attitude about life.
tom papa
It's magical.
It literally...
I mean, you're just sitting there and...
joe rogan
In the middle of the ocean.
tom papa
The middle of the ocean.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
In this little island and all these other human beings, whatever their reason, have joined you on this island.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
And there's this giant whale with its baby whale just dancing right next to you.
You go into the water, you hear them singing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
The stars, it's just...
joe rogan
Yeah, we were there with wild dolphins, and we were on this tour where you put on snorkel gear, and then they find the pods, and they pull the boat within maybe 50 yards of the pod, and then you dive in the water and swim over to the pods of dolphins.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
Jeez.
But Hawaii's got a lot of fucking shark attacks, man.
tom papa
They do.
I literally was like, why aren't there more shark attacks?
And when I got home, I looked it up.
There's a lot of shark attacks.
joe rogan
Well, while we were there, somebody got killed.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, while we were there, a woman from Germany got fucking murked by a shark.
tom papa
Just swimming?
unidentified
Snorkeling?
joe rogan
Well, we've been there three times when people got jacked by sharks.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yep.
A woman got killed, and then another dude got his leg essentially ripped off.
He was a local Hawaiian kid who was surfing, and that was on the Big Island.
He got jacked.
That was another time we were there.
I was watching the news, and, you know, we're out there in the water.
Fucking calm as can be, snorkeling, having a good old time.
It's nerve-wracking.
tom papa
That's scary.
I'm glad I didn't know that when I was out there trying to look for sea turtles.
joe rogan
Yeah.
2015 was apparently the biggest year ever recorded for shark attacks.
tom papa
What's the change?
joe rogan
Climate change.
tom papa
Ah, really?
joe rogan
Water's getting warmer.
tom papa
And they're just hanging...
Less food?
joe rogan
They're mad.
tom papa
They're mad.
joe rogan
They're mad at people for fucking up the water.
tom papa
They know the people are to blame.
joe rogan
I don't know what the reason is, but I saw that recently.
It was a headline of one of the news stories over the last couple days.
tom papa
The other thing that happens a lot in Hawaii, helicopter crashes.
They're not that infrequent.
Those tourist helicopters flipping around?
joe rogan
Oh, really?
tom papa
That's a good list.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah!
joe rogan
Dude, I've been on those things twice.
tom papa
Me too!
joe rogan
How dare you.
tom papa
Shouldn't do it.
joe rogan
How dare you fuck with me after I smoke pot?
tom papa
Well, you ruined my Tesla experience.
Now I think someone's gonna send me into a tree.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Look at that.
Record number of shark attacks in 2015, though only six deaths.
tom papa
Oh, only six.
joe rogan
Well, imagine if the Wolfman only killed six people last year.
People are like, oh, it's fine to go outside with full moon.
Just get out in the woods.
There's not that many Wolfmen.
tom papa
Yeah, but what about the Wolfman?
joe rogan
No, Wolfmen mostly eat deer.
Yeah.
tom papa
What was the number of attacks?
If there's six deaths, how many attacks were there?
98. 98 in one year?
joe rogan
Yep, 98. Does that say 28 more?
26 more?
26 more?
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, in the previous year.
tom papa
Number of shark attacks worldwide, with 98 incidents, a whopping 26 more than the previous year.
joe rogan
And 40 more than the figure from the decade prior.
tom papa
That's not Hawaii, though.
That's international.
joe rogan
Is it international?
Does it say that?
tom papa
Worldwide.
joe rogan
That's not that bad if you think about it worldwide.
So the wolfman, if there's only like a few wolfmen out there worldwide, you'd be like, it's a full moon, but it's a nice full moon.
We'll go out, we'll hear the twigs snap, we'll know.
The werewolf is not stealthy.
They howl, they're assholes.
tom papa
They're very arrogant.
joe rogan
They're scared of silver.
We're fine.
tom papa
I don't have to go in the ocean, by the way.
I can go to Hawaii and sit on a beach and be happy.
unidentified
Me too.
tom papa
I don't have to go.
I'm not big on water stuff.
No, I used to as a kid.
joe rogan
Man, fishing in Hawaii is amazing.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, catching a fish and then bringing it back to the restaurant and they'll cook it for you.
Most hotels, they don't have a chef that you ask them.
If you go on a fishing trip, if you organize it, a lot of them, through the hotel, you organize it.
tom papa
Out on a boat?
joe rogan
They have the little brochures, like, hey, this guy will take you out for this kind of fish.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So last time we went out, we called it Ono.
It's called Ono or Oahu, it's called.
So delicious, man.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And the chef prepared it three different ways.
He grilled it, he baked it, and he served it as sashimi.
Oh, and he, no, four different ways, because he made a ceviche, too.
Oh, my God.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
And it was like two hours old.
tom papa
Geez.
I had ceviche, like that Costa Rica we came back.
And a guy just like there, like with all the, just like, you know.
joe rogan
Lime juice.
tom papa
Dirt in a hose.
And he's just like...
joe rogan
Chopping up avocado.
tom papa
Heaven.
joe rogan
So good.
Best thing you've ever eaten in your life.
Fish is one of those things where it tastes so much better when it's fresh.
tom papa
Completely.
I know.
joe rogan
The opposite with meat.
Like meat actually tastes better when it sits for a while.
That's why we buy dry-aged meat.
tom papa
Yeah, like sit in the...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
A steakhouse just on a shelf for six months.
joe rogan
Like 35 degrees they do it at.
So it develops this sort of crust of bacteria on the outside.
tom papa
35 degrees.
joe rogan
If you've ever been to a butcher shop and seen dry-aged meat, it will queer you off of meat for a while.
tom papa
When it's green.
joe rogan
I don't know about all this, man.
By the way, queer you is not homophobic at all.
It's a perfectly reasonable...
Word to use.
tom papa
It's in the dictionary.
joe rogan
It's a perfectly reasonable way to use it.
So it's a loophole.
But it looks rotten and black.
It looks like mold.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because the mold grows on the outside of the meat, and that's what's happening.
It's like bacteria is destroying the outside of the meat, and you cut that away.
And what's underneath is just tender and relaxed and delicious.
tom papa
Sounds like my neck after...
joe rogan
Maybe you need some of that meat mold on your neck.
tom papa
Have you ever gone to Africa?
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
I'm going in July.
joe rogan
Why?!
tom papa
Papa Bumbaye.
joe rogan
Papa Bumbaye.
tom papa
I know a guy who knows a guy.
unidentified
Are you working?
tom papa
No.
It's a guy I worked for, though, who's very wealthy.
And I did a show for them, and they're sending my...
I just had to fly myself there with my family, and there's these luxury resorts and these national reserves in Tanzania.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
tom papa
Fantastic.
For ten days.
joe rogan
So you're gonna be surrounded by like lions and shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Tom, Papa, please don't die.
tom papa
Yes.
No, there's a lot of guys with guns that'll stand around you.
joe rogan
Do you know about the woman who was the editor, film editor, video editor from Game of Thrones?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
She got pulled out of her car by a lion and killed.
tom papa
She did?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
What was she doing?
joe rogan
She was taking photographs and she rolled down the window to take a better picture and the lion grabbed her and pulled her out of the car and killed her in front of everybody.
There was nothing they could do about it.
tom papa
That's not going to happen to us because we're not going to have windows.
joe rogan
And we won't make eye contact.
No cameras.
And I'm going to be armed to the tits.
tom papa
I'll be honest with you.
I never had a burning desire.
Some places you want to get to.
I wanted to be in Italy.
Nothing in my soul was like Africa.
We must do Africa.
But this opportunity came up and it seems pretty amazing.
And I feel like the closer I get, the more amped I'm getting about it.
But he was like, I'm telling you, this will change your life.
You'll just see this planet differently once you go to Africa.
joe rogan
Africa.
tom papa
You would like Africa, I would think.
joe rogan
I wouldn't like malaria.
So, I'll watch DVDs.
Fuck you and fuck the Zika virus.
tom papa
I could see you in Africa.
You're adventurous.
joe rogan
Yes, I would go.
But I would definitely be worried about malaria.
tom papa
Oh, I'm worried about a lot of things, for sure.
joe rogan
But I'm a big fan of wildlife.
I'm fascinated by the wildlife there, although the reality of these parks is almost artificial.
In a lot of ways.
tom papa
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
How they maintain everything and they're doing it for tourist money.
tom papa
Somewhat.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's almost an artificial quality to it because...
You know, a lot of these places are fenced in.
And so even though it's thousands and thousands of acres, it's not quite fucked up.
It's not quite a zoo.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
No.
tom papa
No, no.
joe rogan
They're not feeding them.
tom papa
Not at all.
And they're still migrating, and there's still all that stuff.
joe rogan
They're not feeding them.
tom papa
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
So it's still live and wild, but...
tom papa
It's like going to Yosemite, you know?
joe rogan
It's like they get used to people man.
I hope so they do they get used to people and you're in these a lot of times You're in these open-air jeeps, right?
And we were talking about it on the podcast I was saying like how how come these fucking animals don't jump in there right and almost as if on cue After we said that a leopard jumped in a Jeep an open-air Jeep like a week later and I was like, yeah Why isn't that fucking happening every day?
unidentified
Yeah?
I?
joe rogan
But I wonder, what if animals like lions just start figuring that out?
There was an article recently, they were talking about chimps, that they believe chimps have just started to enter the Stone Age for the development of chimpanzee intelligence.
They literally might be evolving before our eyes.
And they started to use tools on a regular basis.
They observe chimps.
Yeah, they're coming.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
It just might take a few million years, but if human beings have only been in this form, they think, for the last 200 plus thousand years, essentially, unrecognizable from you or I, what the fuck, what's a chimp going to be like in a million years?
tom papa
Awesome.
joe rogan
Might be.
Right?
They might be like some crazy Sasquatch-type thing.
Some almost half-human, half-monkey thing running through the woods.
tom papa
And we'll just be like jellyfish with cars that drive itself.
Prime for the taking.
joe rogan
So weak.
tom papa
They just rip our cars apart.
Just eyeballs in a mush.
joe rogan
Our cars never crash, so we make them out of paper.
The logic is, if everyone's driving a paper car, no one's going to get hurt.
tom papa
So knowing that there's that amount of shark attacks.
joe rogan
I posted this the other day on Instagram.
What is that?
It's a chimp's testicle in relationship to the size of its brain.
Its testicle is literally about 70 to 80% of the size of its brain.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Is that a fair amount?
unidentified
Sure, yeah.
70?
joe rogan
Think 70 is accurate?
Something like that.
tom papa
That's made wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, what?
His balls, one ball is 70% the size of his brain.
Two balls?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Two balls are almost a whole brain.
tom papa
That is weird.
joe rogan
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Poor guys.
joe rogan
It's so big.
Well, you know what?
The ball's in front of us.
This is a little perspective trick.
tom papa
Yeah, true.
joe rogan
Because that guy's hands, it's not one above the other, it's one behind the other.
tom papa
And the other hand looks bigger and blacker.
joe rogan
It's a different guy!
tom papa
It's a different guy.
unidentified
These fucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe if they got it right up next to it, it would only be like 40%.
Either way, it's a giant ball.
I'd be very proud of that testicle.
If I had a testicle like that, I'd show everybody.
tom papa
So knowing that there's that many shark attacks, will you not go snorkel next time you go?
joe rogan
Um...
I'll tell you what, I was thinking about going to Paris this year, and I'm not going to Paris.
tom papa
You're not?
joe rogan
Nah, I'm good.
tom papa
My parents made that call, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's the right call.
For me?
tom papa
For now?
joe rogan
You have some giant-ass fucking crazy terrorist attack like that, and you have issues with immigrants and all the craziness that's going on there.
They might have let some bad people in their country.
Yeah.
Some great people that were trying to escape a terrible place, but they also might have let some bad people in too.
And there's a lot of fucking anti-Jewish sentiment, although I'm not Jewish.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
There's some video of these people walking through these Arab neighborhoods in Paris and the fucking rampant, brutal, like outright anti-Semitism yelling it at these people.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
That's not America.
No.
I think, you know, you're dealing with, like, it's a very tricky place right now.
tom papa
I know.
It's such a shame.
It's really a...
joe rogan
Beautiful.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Stunning.
So important historically.
tom papa
Any update on the war?
They declared war on...
ISIS? ISIS, how's it going?
joe rogan
It's not even that, man.
I mean, what happened over there?
I don't even understand what happened.
It's when you have a group of people and the people that wound up performing that terrorist act wound up dying.
Boy, try getting the truth out of all that.
Try to figure out what their motives were.
Like the San Bernardino people.
Try figuring that out after the fact.
Try figuring that out.
I'm not going to San Bernardino either.
tom papa
Dropping your kids off.
joe rogan
That's not true.
That's how a hypocrite I am.
I won't go to Paris, but I'll go to San Bernardino.
tom papa
I bet you'd go to Paris if someone gave you a sweet gig there.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No?
No.
No.
I don't think so.
That's a brutal flight too, man.
For a gig.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
I would way rather go there and just vegetate and not have any responsibilities than to go there for...
That's one thing that I've really enjoyed about traveling is that I've gotten a chance to see some really cool places like England and Ireland.
But one of the things that's an issue is every time I've gone, I've been working.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just don't have a chance to see that much.
tom papa
I know.
I went to Italy for the first time and no gig at all.
And I don't travel like that either, you know, normally.
And what a difference.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
What a difference.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I don't know how you are, but say if I fly to Chicago and I got a gig tomorrow night in Chicago, I'm going to get something to eat and I'm going to go to the gym and I'm going to go over my notes.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I'm not going anywhere.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
And I can't.
No.
tom papa
People are like, don't you go sightseeing?
They don't realize everything you do during that day takes away from the show.
There's just an energy, mental and physical energy, that does not end up in the show.
joe rogan
Unless it's something that's going to enhance the show, like going over your notes.
tom papa
That, sitting there, but not running around town, getting cabs, talking to waiters.
joe rogan
Sometimes a little bit of activity and sightseeing can amp you up, you know, but you have to have the time to do it.
And it can't be taken away from like, for me, exercise is mandatory.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if I go on the road, like one of the most important things for me is almost immediately I have to exercise.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because if I don't, then I'm going to be tired.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I'll get there and I'm like, oh, fucking flying.
Oh, that's bullshit.
But what you got to do is say, shut up, pussy.
Just put your fucking shorts on and let's do this.
What floor is the gym on?
Thank you.
Here we go.
Get on the fucking machine and just go.
tom papa
Just go.
joe rogan
Or a routine, whatever I'm doing, whatever weightlifting routine, I just fucking make sure I do it.
I don't want to do it, but I act like I have a boss.
tom papa
I should do that more.
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you do that, man, I'm telling you, just write it down so that it's not an option to deny.
Unless you're sick or something like that, then you definitely shouldn't work out.
But if you can do that, it's 40 minutes that you would just be jerking off and reading email.
tom papa
It's true.
joe rogan
Right?
tom papa
Totally.
joe rogan
That 40 minutes will go by and you're like, fuck, I missed the window.
I've done that before too.
I've definitely done that before.
tom papa
And you're tired.
joe rogan
Yes.
But when I say no, I'm going to go down there and I'm going to do, you know, whatever, 45 minutes on the elliptical machine.
tom papa
Just go.
joe rogan
Just do it.
Listen to a podcast.
I'll put a podcast on.
Just force myself.
tom papa
Yeah.
I do a couple of yoga stretches.
joe rogan
That's good.
That'll help.
tom papa
That is.
joe rogan
It's better than nothing.
tom papa
No, there's a couple that are...
joe rogan
But for me, strenuous exercise is really good for just resetting everything.
tom papa
Your whole nervous system.
joe rogan
Do you ever do a yoga class when you go on the road?
tom papa
Yeah, I have.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom papa
Yeah, I have.
For a while when I was...
More heavily into it.
It was kind of cool.
You'd come into town and find where it was.
It was a cool little, like, okay, that's the project.
I'm going to do that.
joe rogan
Right.
That's a good move.
That's a good move.
Something that, like, you just have an outlet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little thing that sort of connects you to what Tom Papa does.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
And then it's just the work.
It's just taking your notebook and taking your notes and going over last night, going over the...
You know what I did for the first time this week?
I listened to myself.
I haven't recorded myself in a while.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
Yeah, it was probably...
I always record, but don't really listen to it unless I know there was something I want to pick out.
And I listened to myself on Sunday after the weekend.
And that was rough.
You forget.
You're like, oh yeah, I should be doing this all the time.
It's so valuable.
It's so incredibly valuable.
joe rogan
Visually, it's even better.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
If you can watch a video of yourself, then you go, oh my god, I look so gross.
I gotta dress better.
tom papa
Me too.
joe rogan
My posture sucks.
tom papa
Why don't I ever move my right arm?
Why am I like a robot?
joe rogan
What's this thing I'm doing with my hand in my pocket?
Get it out of your pocket!
tom papa
Yeah, at the Irvine Improv, the guy, he did every set and just handed them to me on the way out.
Oh, those are great.
I was like, oh, okay.
joe rogan
Icehouse does that, too.
tom papa
I was like, oh, thanks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you performed at the recent Irvine Improv, the new one?
tom papa
Yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
tom papa
It's nice.
joe rogan
Nice.
tom papa
Really nice.
joe rogan
Big-ass place, too.
tom papa
Feels like a theater.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Callan did his comedy special there.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He recorded a special there.
I was like, that's a good call.
tom papa
Yeah, that's a good call.
joe rogan
That place is hot.
tom papa
Yeah, it looked great.
The backstage was even great.
That was a good spot.
joe rogan
That town, like Irvine, is a town where there's so many fucking people jammed into that area.
tom papa
It's shocking, isn't it?
joe rogan
It is one of the most populated areas in Southern California.
tom papa
Like, where did you guys come from?
joe rogan
Like, me and my wife were talking about this the other day, that there's such a big difference between driving up, like, where, like, Thousand Oaks is, and driving down Orange County.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Thousand Oaks, things lighten up considerably.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, it's like fucking horses and shit up there.
But if you get down to, like, Laguna, good luck.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Good luck getting there in time.
tom papa
It's intense.
joe rogan
Do you ever do gigs in San Diego?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not drive.
You might as well just drive to the fucking ocean and see if your car can just drive on the edge of the water.
tom papa
I take the train a lot.
You ever do that?
joe rogan
No, I've never done that.
But I was just thinking now, I wonder if you could drive in the ocean.
Would they arrest you?
What do they do if you're actually in the ocean and you're driving your car?
tom papa
They'd let you go.
What kind of car?
joe rogan
Well, if you have one of those cars with a snorkel.
That's what I'm thinking.
If you got one of them Toyota Land Cruisers, they put a snorkel on them and they drive through the river in the fucking Amazon.
You would think...
tom papa
They'd let you go.
The sharks might get you.
joe rogan
But do they let you do that?
Like, how does that work?
Like, the Coast Guard, K, fuckface, you can't just drive in the ocean.
tom papa
Probably not.
I thought about the same thing in a similar vein.
Can you just go on horseback down Ventura?
Could you just get a horse and go to the bank that way?
joe rogan
That's a very good point.
tom papa
Could you?
Just tie your horse up to the...
Bike rack and walk inside and cash a check?
joe rogan
Well, it's always weird if you go to Burbank and you see people riding their horses around Burbank.
Burbank is an equestrian neighborhood.
tom papa
Yeah.
My daughter was taking lessons over there for a little bit.
joe rogan
Okay, look at this guy.
Perth, Australia.
Oh, that guy just drove right in.
tom papa
It's like, I'm just driving in.
joe rogan
That's just stupid.
You can't do that.
Is this guy trying to watch men drive car into the ocean?
tom papa
Into the ocean.
unidentified
He's trying to get away from the cops, I think.
joe rogan
Oh, he's trying to get away from the cops.
Okay, well, that's different.
And so now he's driving off, and the cops try to get him, so they drove right into the ocean.
This guy's an idiot.
See, the car doesn't...
It doesn't...
Once the hood is underwater, you dipshit.
tom papa
Good for him.
joe rogan
That's what the snorkel's for.
tom papa
Go for it.
joe rogan
But the thing is...
tom papa
Look at the cops behind him, like...
joe rogan
Well, he's gonna hop out of the car and just swim somewhere.
tom papa
Yeah, he's out now.
joe rogan
But the thing is, if you have a car with a snorkel, and he doesn't have a car with a snorkel, you can drive pretty far...
And they can't get you.
But he could just drive next to you on the beach.
tom papa
Right.
Eventually you've got to come to the land.
joe rogan
Look at this crazy clusterfuck of cops and the car.
Is this in Australia or something?
tom papa
Of course.
joe rogan
How did I know it was Australia?
Did you say it?
tom papa
I think it said Perth at the beginning.
joe rogan
Okay, that's it.
Because otherwise I'm like, there's no way I just guessed.
tom papa
But why not just get a horse?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
And go run your errands that way.
joe rogan
How about an eagle?
How about teach an eagle to fly around?
Imagine if somebody just developed an eagle.
unidentified
Like, look.
tom papa
Grab onto his talons.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a pit bull that's like 190 pounds?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're not supposed to be that big.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Somebody made that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They bred those pit bulls until it became this ridiculous thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The average size for a pit bull, like those fighting dogs, they're like 35 pounds.
Like a big one's like 50. Really?
Yeah, they're not big.
tom papa
So these monsters are like the chickens with giant breasts?
joe rogan
Sort of, yeah.
Which also comes from selective breeding, apparently.
I thought the chickens with giant breasts were steroids, but this chicken farmer explained to me, he said, no.
He goes, you know how expensive it would be if it really pumped?
We have this idea, oh, they're putting all the hormones in it.
Not really.
tom papa
No?
joe rogan
No, no.
I mean, they would.
They would if they had to fix something.
tom papa
It's too pricey.
joe rogan
But most of it is, yeah, most of it is they genetically engineer them.
They selectively breed them to the point where they can barely even walk.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Those poor things.
tom papa
Yeah, they can't stay on their legs.
joe rogan
So, for at least how this guy has explained it to me, it's mostly just selective breeding.
Interesting.
But why can't they do that with an eagle?
tom papa
Get a big-ass eagle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Big-ass fucking eagle.
If you could teach an eagle to hunt for wolves for you, have you ever seen them do that?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Mongolians.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
They let an eagle loose and the eagle will fucking fly down and jack a wolf.
tom papa
A wolf?
joe rogan
A wolf.
tom papa
Those are big.
joe rogan
They're not big enough.
That's how gangster eagles are.
tom papa
I'm reading that book, The Hawk.
joe rogan
What's that?
tom papa
This girl just loved, it's her autobiography basically, just a writer out of Oxford and she is learning how to train a go-shock and falcons and all that kind of stuff with the hoods and very intricate about that whole practice.
It's pretty intense.
joe rogan
That's very intense.
tom papa
Yeah.
Getting it to trust you and sit there in its hood.
joe rogan
You have to be with it all the time.
tom papa
All the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Like, in the beginning, like, for days.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
Just sitting with it on your arm.
joe rogan
You can't go on vacations.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't just take a month off.
I'm just gonna hang out with it.
That fucking hawk will eat your face.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
This little hood.
joe rogan
But why couldn't someone engineer an eagle that was your buddy that flies you around?
Like an eagle.
tom papa
How does he fly you around?
On his back?
joe rogan
Look at this wolf jacking an eagle.
And then the eagle comes down and jacks the wolf.
Oh, shit.
Look, they're both jacking him.
tom papa
Oh, it's two.
joe rogan
This is insane.
So the wolf was kicking the eagle's ass and his homie came in and backed him up.
tom papa
See, you shouldn't worry about the monkeys because these guys are doing this now.
joe rogan
See, the thing is, man, these eagles are so goddamn tough and their claws are so fucking terrifying.
They essentially have knives.
They're growing out of their feet.
They're fucking dinosaurs, man.
This is a dinosaur that made it.
And it makes me wonder what dinosaurs actually looked like.
We always assume that all dinosaurs were covered with scales like a crocodile.
I'm sure a lot of them were.
Look at this.
See, they're duking it out.
The eagle lands on him, starts jacking him, and he's got him.
He's got him by the neck.
Oh my god.
It's insane.
tom papa
He's killing a giant wolf.
joe rogan
He's just got full mount on the wolf, and he's clawing him to death.
tom papa
He's just keeping him at a distance.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And the eagle's fucked.
He's got his neck.
This is insane.
It's insane that they can do this.
tom papa
That is nuts.
joe rogan
That's a big-ass eagle.
That's a golden eagle.
And that's a small wolf, by the way.
Those are not as big as the- He looks like a mid-dog.
This is crazy, though, man.
tom papa
Oh, now what's he feeding him?
He's giving him a reward?
joe rogan
He's giving him some meat.
tom papa
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Oh, he's holding the glove with meat above the carcass, gets him back on his arm, and the hood goes on.
joe rogan
Yep.
Wow.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
What a wonderful but terrifying animal.
tom papa
It's a cool hobby.
It's not like making bread, but...
joe rogan
Where's his starter?
They showed these, they had these ancient hominid bones they found, and they were trying to figure out why they had these claw marks on them.
And they were trying to figure out what animal had done it.
And then they recognized very similar patterns of scrapes to what they find on small primates that are near harpy eagles.
And they realized that early humans were most likely eaten by eagles.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
A bigger eagle?
Like a pterodactyl-sized eagle?
joe rogan
A gang of different kinds of birds and large predatory birds.
In fact, North America, I believe...
Before, like, I don't want to say how long ago, but I don't think it was too long ago, like not even a million years.
They had a thing called a terror bird.
And a terror bird was like a giant seven foot tall predatory bird that didn't fly.
It was like a standing bird with a giant beak, like a huge predatory Carl Malone sized bird.
tom papa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
How about that?
tom papa
Let's make that movie.
joe rogan
How about a Magic Johnson-sized bird with a giant fucking hatchet for a face?
tom papa
They're not even flying.
I don't have to.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should see that they do a superimposed image of the size of a normal human, like a six-foot-tall human next to a terror bird, like what they looked like.
tom papa
I love Terebur.
That's such a great name.
joe rogan
And isn't it terrifying?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is North America.
This is right here.
tom papa
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So there was...
I mean, the entire fossil record, even just of mammals, is not complete.
They're always finding new things because in order to create a fossil, it's very difficult.
Like, something has to happen.
You have to get caught in a mudslide or something.
Right.
Jamie, see if you can find a Terebur picture.
tom papa
Yeah, I'd love to see Terebur.
unidentified
Look at this thing.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking thing!
That's a soldier that gets eaten.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
That one on the left, that looks like where the wild things are.
tom papa
Yeah, it does.
joe rogan
Doesn't it?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't even look like it's a real thing!
Look at the size of that fucking thing!
tom papa
Its eggs must be huge.
joe rogan
Oh my god, like a head.
tom papa
Yeah.
Bigger.
joe rogan
Bigger.
Look at the size of that fucker.
tom papa
Isn't there a movie where people ride in those?
joe rogan
Maybe.
But it's interesting that one of them has fairly large wings, the one on the right, but the one on the left has like these nubs.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, I don't- Those are all different terror birds?
Oh, fucking Christ!
Oh my God!
Look at that thing, the one in the forefront, the evil red-looking beak, and the one in the background.
tom papa
That one's like almost flamingo ostrich monster.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if you were just walking along and you saw something popping its head out of the trees, looking at you funny, and it's that size, and you go, oh my God, it's over.
It's over.
tom papa
My cat's been on a bird-killing spree.
joe rogan
Good for her.
Or him.
tom papa
Brings in a couple a week.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
It's really out of hand.
joe rogan
Well, you better be careful if you let your cat out, because your cat could get jacked by coyotes, man.
tom papa
I know.
It's his life.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's brutal.
Claws or no claws?
tom papa
Claws.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
It's got claws.
You let him out there?
He's an outdoor.
He's a nut.
You can't keep him inside.
joe rogan
Has he always been an outdoor cat?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does he come inside at all?
tom papa
Yeah.
Comes in, sleeps, cuddles.
Does he piss in your house at all?
No.
joe rogan
They do if you don't get them fixed quick enough.
I have an indoor cat.
tom papa
Yeah, I have an indoor and an outdoor.
joe rogan
Mine are both indoor.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because I live in a place where a lot of coyotes are.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of my chickens got jacked by a coyote.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched it happen.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I watched the coyote hop the fence with my chicken in his mouth.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had a separate...
Chickens get broody, which means they get confused since they're not getting fucked by roosters.
Sometimes they think that they have an egg that they have to hatch, that they have to, you know, what's it called?
What's it called?
They nurture an egg to...
tom papa
Sit on it?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a technical term.
Something a gate?
tom papa
What's the word?
joe rogan
Just state.
No, that's not it.
tom papa
Lay on top of?
joe rogan
What's it called, like, when you take an egg and you put it in one of those warming things?
tom papa
You, um...
joe rogan
You know, like, that, like, lamp goes...
unidentified
People at home will listen to this screaming.
joe rogan
You fucking pothead.
unidentified
You can't even remember.
joe rogan
Incubate.
Incubate!
Thank you!
tom papa
I knew it was a bait.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was trying to avoid the band Incubus.
It's like...
unidentified
But anyway, I remember what the point of that was.
joe rogan
So we have to take them out, and she had to get outside of the regular chicken coop.
It's just a large coop.
And you have to put her in one where she has to sit on a beam.
It's very small.
For the amount of time they're broody, that's how much time you have to put them in there.
Otherwise, they could be broody for like a month.
They'll pull their feathers out.
They can cause some health issues.
They pluck all the They throw the feathers out of their chest to feather their nest for an egg that's not gonna hatch.
They get a little wacky.
tom papa
Yeah, it's weird.
joe rogan
Well, their brains are a fucking thumbnail.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
So this coyote just figured out a way to get into that little cage and just jacked the chicken and jumped over the fence with it.
tom papa
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a risk.
A couple neighbors or one neighbor lost a cat, you know, like 10 years ago to it.
It's like the beginning of Coyote.
There's not a lot going on, but enough where if the cat's not smart, it could happen.
But the cat is so happy and that's just the way he lives and it's like, you know, everyone would be sad, but it's his life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's probably not the worst way to go either.
tom papa
Yeah, quick rather than getting diabetes and...
joe rogan
Cats have diabetes?
tom papa
Yeah, I had a diabetic cat.
joe rogan
Whoa, did you have to give it insulin?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa, every day?
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom papa
Twice a day.
joe rogan
The cat was probably pissed at you.
tom papa
Didn't...
joe rogan
I had no idea.
Why are you shooting me with this fucking needle, bitch?
I want pets!
tom papa
Putting a pill on a stick and you hit a fire in its throat.
joe rogan
That's how you do it?
tom papa
That's one of the things.
That and the insulin.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
tom papa
He probably ran from you all the time.
And the little scruff of its neck.
joe rogan
Did he run from you all the time?
tom papa
No.
He was pretty mellow.
He probably extended his life for another...
Four years.
unidentified
Oh.
tom papa
And then it just all ended up failing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
But, you know, it was like, you know, it was my wife's cat.
I would have...
joe rogan
You would have ended it?
tom papa
Probably would not have been giving it shots for that long.
unidentified
With a rock?
joe rogan
Hatchet?
What was the method?
tom papa
Just open the door and...
joe rogan
Make coyote calls.
tom papa
No, it was a nice cat.
But yeah, I never knew there was this thing as a diabetic cat.
Yeah.
Yeah, we extended his life for a while, and then, you know, other things start to fail.
joe rogan
Did you try feeding him a vegan diet?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
It's supposed to cure diabetes.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
No.
Making things up.
But people do have their cats and they feed them vegan food.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Cats die.
Young.
Sad.
So irony.
In their attempt to not be cruel to animals, they're cruel to their animals.
tom papa
They starve their animals.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
They're feeding it fucking plums and celery and shit.
jamie vernon
I just saw this 30-year-old dog yesterday on the internet.
tom papa
Have you ever heard of something?
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
That's crazy.
What kind of dog is it?
jamie vernon
It's an Australian.
They can't prove how old it really is, but there's some video of it.
I mean, it looks like it's fucking...
tom papa
It's 30 in dog years?
unidentified
No, it's 30 in human years, 200 in dog years.
joe rogan
That's all, like, what is that?
tom papa
Six years old.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
That's crazy.
tom papa
30?
The owners must be like, all right, dude.
joe rogan
See, here, there's no proof.
As long as there's no proof and we're reading about this, we have no fucking idea how old that dog is.
This is a bullshit story.
Like, that's the problem with goddamn stories.
It's all you have to do is you get paid per ad clicks.
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
Just put a picture up and that's it.
joe rogan
See, like that.
Three men who admit to raping a girl, 17, won't be jailed.
tom papa
That's a lie, too.
joe rogan
Must read.
And this guy's got his abs out there taking a photo.
What are you trying to do?
You're trying to get me to click it.
tom papa
Just get me to click so that they...
joe rogan
It might not be about that.
tom papa
No.
There'll be an ad associated with it, and then someone will get paid.
joe rogan
Tom Papa, we have run out of time here.
tom papa
Really?
That goes so quick.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
That was three hours of fun, my friend.
tom papa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That was great, though.
tom papa
It really is crazy.
joe rogan
I really enjoyed talking to you, man.
tom papa
Thank you.
I've been here once before, and I've been itching to get back.
It's such a good hang.
joe rogan
I think this was better than our first one.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
I really do.
tom papa
I do.
joe rogan
Next time.
We learned a lot about starters.
I learned a lot about yeast.
Muscle tissue.
tom papa
Now you gotta get me a pot card.
Get me a pot card.
joe rogan
We'll do that.
We'll do that when we get off the air.
I'll show you how to do it.
tom papa
All right.
joe rogan
All right, ladies and gentlemen.
That's it for the week.
You heard me, you fucks.
tom papa
The week.
joe rogan
Next week, I've got four of them.
So straddle up.
Got a lot of lovin'.
Starting with Cameron Haynes on Monday.
Wow.
My friend Doug Duren is coming next week.
I got...
unidentified
What?
tom papa
Nosferatu.
joe rogan
Oh, Boss Rutten and Mauro Ranallo are going to be here, and Robin Black.
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