Feb. 16, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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In Creole, they would say Dubai. | |
| Ladies and gentlemen, Doug Durin! | ||
| I always wanted to do that. | ||
| I never get a chance. | ||
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I always wanted you to do it, man. | |
| My man. | ||
| And you brought your friend, Nathan Eyde. | ||
| Both of you guys escaped the winter of Wisconsin, which I'm representing right now. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Hunt to eat t-shirt. | ||
| And Ma Ting and Yanis Putelis, this is their company, and Ma Ting sent me a code for people if you want to use this. | ||
| If you go to hunttoeat.com, and I think the code word is just Joe Rogan, all in one word. | ||
| I'm going to find it in one second. | ||
| And if you do that, I think you get 10% off. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I'll find that real quick. | ||
| Yeah, Joe Rogan, all caps, 10% off. | ||
| Hunt Eat. | ||
| And some of them are license plates. | ||
| This one's the Wisconsin one. | ||
| It's just a circle. | ||
| It shows the state. | ||
| Little deer in it. | ||
| Little deer tracks around it. | ||
| Our friends, their company. | ||
| Great guys, man. | ||
| The best. | ||
| They really are. | ||
| They work for Steve Rinella at Meat Eater, and we know them well. | ||
| Doug Dern, of course, is my friend from Wisconsin, and he brought his friend, Nathan. | ||
| Idy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we're going to talk about some stuff. | ||
| Well, it's just good to see you anyway. | ||
| But we're also going to talk about this one thing that came out today that I tweeted that they found that there's a huge difference. | ||
| Not just a little difference. | ||
| Because people have always wondered, like, does it matter if you buy grass-fed food? | ||
| Does it matter if you buy... | ||
| I mean, does it really matter? | ||
| Well, apparently it does. | ||
| There's a new study that found clear differences between organic and non-organic meat and milk. | ||
| And this is the largest study of its kind. | ||
| An international team of experts led by Newcastle University in the UK has shown that both organic milk and organic meat contain around 50% more beneficial omega-3 fatty acids than conventionally produced products. | ||
| Which is pretty fascinating because a lot of people have speculated that it's all BS. That you go and you buy grass-fed this or grass-fed that. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything, but it means a lot. | ||
| Well, you know what's interesting to me about it is so much of it for me is intuitive. | ||
| I grew up with cattle and it makes sense that a ruminant, a cow, It eats grass. | ||
| You know, that's what it eats. | ||
| And you start putting all this other stuff into it, for instance, corn, soybeans, and that sort of thing, that's not what they were made to eat. | ||
| And so then you take that a step further and have it be, I think they're referring in this organic that they're talking about grass-fed. | ||
| And so they're eating what they're supposed to eat, not what we somehow along the way decided, well, this is what they're going to eat, corn or soybeans, because they'll put on that fat that we all like so much. | ||
| It speeds up the process. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| It speeds up the maturing process of the animal. | ||
| But not in a good way, necessarily. | ||
| It does so many bad things. | ||
| Yeah, it makes so much sense to me. | ||
| Just from a common sense level, that this is going to be the best thing for the animal, and then down the way it's going to be the best thing for us. | ||
| We're not forcing stuff on that animal that... | ||
| That they wouldn't normally be eating. | ||
| They aren't going to eat it by choice. | ||
| But I will tell you, the cows, they're not the ones I had when you were out there. | ||
| But if I go out with the cattle that I have now that I bought about a year ago, I bang two buckets together and they come running. | ||
| Because they know the food's coming. | ||
| Well, because they used to be fed corn. | ||
| Oh, so these are animals that you purchased that were already at maturity? | ||
| Yeah, they were bred cows. | ||
| So I was looking to get those cattle that I had when you were there, that we had when you were there, I sold. | ||
| We had a drought year, and hay prices went through the roof, and I had a barn and shed full of hay. | ||
| which was pretty valuable and the cattle were still pretty valuable. | ||
| So I was able to sell those and then take the winter off and spent some time in Mexico and whatnot because I didn't have any food cattle. | ||
| But, and then decided to get back into the game. | ||
| So now I've got a herd of Herefords that I bought last year. | ||
| A herd of what? | ||
| Herefords. | ||
| What's a Hereford? | ||
| Hereford is a breed that I think originated in Britain. | ||
| And white face, red animal. | ||
| So a lot of the ones that we had when you were there the last time were actually a Hereford cross. | ||
| So they were a Hereford originally, or their original brood cows were Herefords, and then we bred them to like a black Angus or a red Angus crossbred. | ||
| To get some hybrid vigor out of them and that sort of thing. | ||
| What is the difference? | ||
| What's the difference of? | ||
| Between different styles of cows or different breeds of cows? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Everything from how they put on weight to how they look to... | ||
| Efficiency. | ||
| Yeah, the efficiency of how they'll put weight on. | ||
| If they're dairy cattle, like Guernseys and Jerseys and that sort of thing, they won't produce as much milk, but it'll have a real high butterfat content. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| With the same food, feeding them the same thing, different cows produce different butterfats? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Holsteins, which is sort of the traditional dairy cow, big black and white thing. | ||
| You know, you've seen them on everything. | ||
| They're a big animal, big bone, you know, really tall, big animal. | ||
| And they sort of have the ability to kind of eat They're not as picky eater. | ||
| They produce a lot of milk, but it'll have a lower butter fat. | ||
| I can't believe I'm talking about dairy. | ||
| I mean, I've been out of the dairy business since 1988. Well, it's fascinating stuff. | ||
| Most people have no idea. | ||
| I had no idea that different cows will produce a different level of dairy fat. | ||
| Oh, no, that's exactly right. | ||
| And then butter fat is what a farmer is paid on. | ||
| So 100 pounds, which is about 8 pounds to the gallon, And in milk, you're paid by the pound. | ||
| 100 pounds of 3.5% butterfat, for instance, is not worth as much as 100 pounds of 4.5% butterfat. | ||
| So there's this whole calibration system they use to do that. | ||
| So, you know, milk's being tested all the time. | ||
| Both organic, grass-fed, managed pasture raised, and, you know, more... | ||
| Modern, if you will, the confined animal facilities where they're milking a thousand cows in a real small area, confining them in a very small area, where Nate and I both grew up. | ||
| And you saw our farm. | ||
| A lot of pasture, fields, that sort of thing. | ||
| So the cattle are kind of walking around doing their thing out on pasture. | ||
| They come in in the evening. | ||
| You'd feed them sort of a supplement of it might be grain or it might be hay. | ||
| It might be these various things. | ||
| And it kind of depended. | ||
| And that all evolved over time and in my lifetime. | ||
| And you were always sort of aiming to get the most out of each one of those animals. | ||
| And depending on how you looked at the science, you know, people spent their whole life studying how to get the most out of a cow. | ||
| Depending on how you looked at that science, you made decisions about that. | ||
| Well, when I was a kid, there was a lot more of, and I mean a kid like in the 60s, in the early 60s, there was a lot more common sense involved. | ||
| And now it's much more, like in those big milking operations, that sort of thing, it's more science. | ||
| It's like, here's how we can get the most out of them. | ||
| So you remember this shift between what was like normal farming, normal dairy farming, normal meat cow farming, to this thing that we're seeing now that most people have a real big problem with, this factory farming installations where you have these cows jammed into these warehouses and chickens and the same thing with pigs and... | ||
| Those are the things that people have a real issue with when they see them on television, they see YouTube videos. | ||
| Do you remember this shift? | ||
| Oh, God, yeah. | ||
| So I'm 57 years old. | ||
| I was born in 1959. By the time I was old enough to drive a tractor, which is when you're about four years old, where I'm from. | ||
| You're driving a tractor at four? | ||
| Well, you're sitting there steering it anyway, and going through the field, and they're picking up... | ||
| I was six. | ||
| I was six when I jumped up. | ||
| So do you remember this? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so when I was a kid, do you remember where we shot, where we had that shooting range set up by my house? | ||
| That little kind of... | ||
| It was an old foundation there. | ||
| That was a chicken coop. | ||
| We had chickens there. | ||
| There was a greenery in between. | ||
| The little building that we fondly call the Keep Out Shed now because it's the security there. | ||
| It just says keep out on the door. | ||
| That was a facility where we raised pigs. | ||
| And then we had a rolling herd of about 40 milk cows. | ||
| And they were Holsteins. | ||
| And so it was a diverse farm. | ||
| It was a diverse ecosystem, if you will. | ||
| And, I don't know, during the Nixon administration, Earl Butz, who was the Secretary of Agriculture then, came out and said, get bigger, get out. | ||
| And that was really the beginning of the end of the small family farm. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like, he said this? | ||
| Like, was it a statement on television? | ||
| It was a statement. | ||
| How did this go down? | ||
| Well, I'm sure it could be found somewhere, but get bigger, and that's just the... | ||
| It was like a campaign? | ||
| Yeah, or a press conference or something to that effect. | ||
| That was going to be the move in agriculture, you know? | ||
| And it was a long process. | ||
| I mean, I remember our exit, if you will, from the dairy sector... | ||
| Ours came in the late 90s, so there was a big shift. | ||
| Just for example, my grandfather was running the farm in 1977, and the milk price was like $14 or $15 per hundredweight. | ||
| When my dad was forced to sell in, I think it was 98 or 99, it was like nine bucks. | ||
| So you're trying to raise a family and continue a legacy, and you're getting paid dirt. | ||
| What caused that shift? | ||
| Big agriculture. | ||
| Yeah, it was systematic. | ||
| It was a systematic shift to the corporate. | ||
| And there's some sense... | ||
| I want to say there's some sense in it, but that's probably not completely... | ||
| I mean, you understand that efficiency is getting... | ||
| It's the American way. | ||
| You get bigger, there's efficiencies in scale. | ||
| I'm trying to understand what was the motivation. | ||
| Was it that... | ||
| Populations were booming because there's a lot more people today. | ||
| I mean, I think we looked at it up the other day. | ||
| I think in 1970, there was something like 150 million people in this country. | ||
| Now there's 300 million. | ||
| That's not that long ago. | ||
| I mean, that's in my lifetime, and that's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy that the population's doubled, and the demand for food obviously doubled as well. | ||
| You know, something that's really interesting, if you look at that area where you came out and visited, the exact opposite has happened in population there. | ||
| There's half as many people in our area as there were when I was a kid. | ||
| And it's a farm area. | ||
| And it's a farm area. | ||
| So the small farm, the family farm, is what's really suffering. | ||
| Because it's so hard to make ends meet with these gigantic operations that are just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that... | ||
| Well, they can, you know, I mean, it makes sense, you know, on a business scale, you can afford to sell a product cheaper if you're doing it bigger, but the things you lose there are the quality and the sustainability and environmental impact of the process. | ||
| You know, you got these big farms where basically they have, they got to make more product, but they also make more shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and that's a water issue. | ||
| Well, that was a big part of that documentary, Cowspiracy, where they were trying to talk about the methane that's produced by cows. | ||
| The methane and just getting rid of the actual cow shit itself. | ||
| Like, you're talking about massive, massive quantities. | ||
| And when I was younger, and even now... | ||
| The manure that's produced on our farm, like now in the winter, I'm feeding hay. | ||
| And they're confined would be kind of a strong word. | ||
| They stay around where the hay is, you know, and we've got fresh water there for them and it's spring water and I can talk about that later. | ||
| But they stay in that area and so that's also where they're, you know, And so I end up piling that stuff up and I pile it up and I compost it and I put it on everything from a community garden nearby to our fields to people want to come by and say, hey man, can I get a load of shit? | ||
| And sure as heck, I give it to them. | ||
| Whereas for a big facility, it's where do we get rid of this shit? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this is because I think that most of us, when I say us, people that live in cities, have almost no idea of how all this stuff works. | ||
| And when people examine it or they try to watch a documentary on it or try to figure out how cows are raised, one of the things we get confused about is... | ||
| Stop playing with that same answer. | ||
| We get confused about is, how did it happen? | ||
| Like, how did these things become these gigantic sort of operations where it seems so inhumane? | ||
| Well, it's a business model. | ||
| It's a business model like corporations, like banks, like everything. | ||
| It's the same idea. | ||
| Interestingly to me, in our area, and Nate and some of the folks that he knows are an example, and I am to a lesser extent, because it's just a little bit different on our farm. | ||
| It's not something where I'm trying to make a living at it, you know? | ||
| That it's starting to go the other, it very much has gone the other way. | ||
| Things like community supported agriculture and those sort of things are happening. | ||
| That people want to know their farmer. | ||
| Right, so there's like a blowback. | ||
| So people are realizing that there's something kind of crazy about these factory farming setups. | ||
| And so now they're trying to get their meat more from organic farms. | ||
| But how much more expensive is it, say like with one of your farms? | ||
| I sell bulk. | ||
| I consider bulk anything over 50 pounds for $6.50 a pound. | ||
| So like a family could come to you and buy directly? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And do you sell most of your stuff directly or do you sell it to like a wholesaler? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| What I try to do is, and my whole goal with my meat production, I mean we do a lot of other things we'll maybe get into later, but the meat production, I try to Take care of a certain amount of families, you know, and when they need meat, I have it. | ||
| I'm not really, I don't market it. | ||
| I mean, it's all, I have customers and they come to me when they want meat. | ||
| So it's like a word of mouth type thing? | ||
| Yeah, and some people buy a quarter, you know, which is like 100 to 150 pounds sometimes. | ||
| And some people will come and buy 20 pounds when they need it, you know. | ||
| I have a buddy who is a fireman who does that. | ||
| He has a deal with a local rancher, and he buys him and a couple of the families that he's friends with, they'll go in on a side of beef. | ||
| They'll go in on a whole half of a cow. | ||
| And they save money that way, and then they know they're getting real, organic, grass-fed cows with that nice yellow fat. | ||
| Yeah, I have to tell you this story. | ||
| Some years ago when we were raising beef, one of the things that I did for my ex-wife and I did for my brother and sister-in-law was gave them a quarter of a beef for Christmas. | ||
| And I thought it was being real clever. | ||
| You know, the steers at that time kind of all had the same name. | ||
| The heifer calves, the female calves, I give them different names or different numbers and everything because we keep them around. | ||
| But the steers all had the same name and that was dinner. | ||
| And a steer, for people who don't know. | ||
| A cow that has its balls removed. | ||
| A male cow. | ||
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That's right. | |
| It's a eunuch. | ||
| And there's a lot of good reasons for doing that. | ||
| And just so nobody says, so you're knocking this thing down and cutting its nuts off? | ||
| Well, yeah, that is what we're doing. | ||
| But when we knock it down, we actually sedate it. | ||
| It goes to sleep. | ||
| It wakes up, and it's singing soprano. | ||
| I mean, that's how that works. | ||
| They jerk a little bit, though, when you... | ||
| Well, yeah, you were too. | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| I don't care whether you're sedated or not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, yeah, that is what a steer is. | ||
| So, I'm sorry, the story was that, so we gave Sarah and Art this quarter of beef, and we were making a presentation of it, and they had the neighbors over. | ||
| And so everybody's sitting around the table, and there's a couple of Girls, young women, maybe 10 and 14, something like that. | ||
| I don't remember their exact ages. | ||
| But I had this Polaroid picture of that steer and said, you know, and I had it in quotations, dinner, and I made a presentation of, well, we gave you this meat, and here's this wonderful steak that we're having and everything, and here's the before, and here's the after. | ||
| Apparently, I turned one of those girls into a vegetarian that night. | ||
| And I felt horrible about it. | ||
| Well, you've been there from the beginning, from the time you were really young. | ||
| You've been there from, I mean, it's a part of your life, right? | ||
| You've always been around cows, you've always been around cattle. | ||
| It seems totally normal to you. | ||
| But to somebody that just is used to going to the supermarket and buying a steak, that comes neatly wrapped in saran wrap, a nice little foam tray... | ||
| You're kind of freaking them out with reality. | ||
| And I learned something that day about it. | ||
| But some of the folks that buy meat from me, they come out and they take a look at the place. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, you've been there. | ||
| You've been there at maybe the nicest time of the year because it was cold and all of that. | ||
| And the cattle weren't out in pasture. | ||
| We had them confined in the barnyard. | ||
| And they're out walking around. | ||
| They're laying on the hillside. | ||
| They're chewing their cud. | ||
| Man, they're just happy as they can be. | ||
| And they're looking at me, and they're looking at the cattle, and so I'm going to have some of that meat. | ||
| And it's just like there's that connection. | ||
| If I don't get anything else across here during this conversation, I'd encourage people to know their farmer, know the guy who's raising that, whatever it is, vegetables or meat or whatever for them. | ||
| Well, it's very difficult for someone who is not used to the idea of an animal being alive and then being dead and then cut up and then portioned into steaks and then cooking. | ||
| People that are used to going to the supermarket and buying it already done for them, to be sort of forced to look at that whole process as an adult. | ||
| It's a little disconcerting for a lot of people because we're faced with this very convenient world where we're completely detached from any of this stuff. | ||
| Now, as a guy who's been around it your whole life, that's got to be kind of frustrating when you see the hypocrisy of people who eat the meat but really kind of don't want to know where it came from. | ||
| Yeah, hypocrisy is the only sin, you know, in my world. | ||
| It's kind of the way I feel about it. | ||
| But I don't know necessarily that's hypocrisy as much as it's just ignorance. | ||
| And, you know, I also want to say I don't take it lightly at all. | ||
| When we load up a cow or a steer or whatever, I put them on there, man. | ||
| It's just like when we shoot wildlife, you know, we kill wildlife, something like that. | ||
| We did a thing. | ||
| Or you're doing a... | ||
| This is a big thing. | ||
| There's a reverence. | ||
| There is a reverence. | ||
| That's exactly the right word, Nate. | ||
| There's a reverence to it that you have in these smaller... | ||
| I mean, I could see where if I had 500 steers that I'm raising to 1,250 pounds, I might not have the same reverence to those animals, but they're giving me something. | ||
| You know, I'm taking it from them, but that's my deal, you know? | ||
| Well, that's a similar argument when you're talking about large populations of people, that there's sort of this diffusion of responsibility that comes with interacting with 20 million people versus 20 people. | ||
| When you're around 20 people, you have a town of 20 people, you know everybody. | ||
| You know, and the relationships are kind of important. | ||
| Whereas 20 million people, you give the finger to somebody on the road, what is the idea? | ||
| You're never going to see them again. | ||
| You hope not, right? | ||
| You hope not. | ||
| But if you're in Casanova and you see that dickhead down the street from you that leaves the nasty voicemail messages... | ||
| You'll never forget that one. | ||
| That fucking guy was crazy. | ||
| You played that for us. | ||
| That was seared into our head. | ||
| But, you know, you're forced into a relationship with that person, and you have to manage that relationship. | ||
| When you have, you know, how many cows you have now? | ||
| I have 20 head running around. | ||
| Yeah, so if you have 20 cows, like, when you have to... | ||
| And even, you know, when you do the deed, you're really not saying... | ||
| I have to kill this cow. | ||
| But you're saying when we load one up, when we do the deed, you know, there's all these euphemisms for what you're doing. | ||
| You're going to kill this cow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe that's because of the fact that there's so many of them, or rather there's so few of them that you have this, you know, it's a big moment. | ||
| It is a big moment. | ||
| You know, I sold a cow this fall. | ||
| That, through no fault of her own, had a prolapsed cervix. | ||
| And if you want to know what that is, essentially her cervix pushed out. | ||
| And no matter how many times you push it back in and sew things up, she's going to continue to push. | ||
| So she's not going to be productive. | ||
| And her productivity is to have calves. | ||
| And I felt terrible about it. | ||
| Didn't mean I didn't do it. | ||
| You mean do it mean kill her? | ||
| Well, I didn't kill her, but yeah. | ||
| And I'm not passing that responsibility off to somebody else from the standpoint of, well, I don't want to do it, so I have somebody else do it. | ||
| I'll do it when it needs to be done. | ||
| But when Nate and I both are selling meat to people, there's regulations that go along with it. | ||
| I mean, I can't just, like, drop a cow in the driveway of the barn, hang her up, cut her up, and start selling Joe Rogan meat. | ||
| There's USDA inspection and all that, so we both send our animals to very small, family-run slaughterhouses, butcher shops, and they do it. | ||
| So you don't necessarily kill them yourself? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Never? | ||
| If you were doing one for yourself, you wouldn't. | ||
| And have. | ||
| So if you want to sell it, then you have to go through these USDA slaughterhouses. | ||
| You have to have a stamp and an inspection. | ||
| Yeah, and there's a standard to that. | ||
| Now, I would confidently never sell you any of my beef if I butchered it myself, but I would confidently give it to you and say this is as, I mean, you've seen how we do it out there. | ||
| So this is basically just government regulations that you have to follow? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, there's a standardization, and I'm down with that. | ||
| There's a pretty cool movement going on. | ||
| The place I go to is called Driftless Meats in Viroqua, and it's a really... | ||
| Like, when they bring in a cow, like, one of the big problems with these slaughterhouses, Joe, is, you know, a lot of them, you bring your cow in the night before, and there's... | ||
| Who knows how many cows jammed into a pen and they're stressed out. | ||
| They're rutting around, bumping each other. | ||
| These guys up there, I think the max they take in on a slaughter day is four. | ||
| And so these cows got their own pen. | ||
| It's very stress-free. | ||
| It's very relaxed. | ||
| So the process, and that's what's so important about all of this and the sustainability and environmental impact, it's all about the process. | ||
| Fortunately, there's a really strong movement in that sector of the processing is going on. | ||
| Conscious Carnivore is a facility near us, and I think that's a very important way of putting it. | ||
| You know, the guys from Cowspiracy, there was a lot! | ||
| I agreed with those guys. | ||
| Me too. | ||
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Irrefutable. | |
| That's what I think is unfortunate about the exaggerations of some of their claims, because I think that if they just stuck with what's absolute and reality, it's very disturbing. | ||
| The sustainability doesn't look good. | ||
| But what's interesting is... | ||
| Here's some things that you disagree with strongly. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why we got into this conversation. | ||
| One thing, the amount of acreage that it takes to grow a cow, to raise a cow. | ||
| I did... | ||
| I've been looking at my own cattle, one, but then also spending some time with our UW Extension. | ||
| It's the ag people through our university, you know, land-grant university. | ||
| 1.4 1.4 to 14, depending on how... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a big difference. | ||
| And that's a huge difference. | ||
| Well, these guys were saying 50 acres. | ||
| Yeah, no one agrees with that. | ||
| In certain places, it probably is, though. | ||
| Well, it could have to be like desert. | ||
| But wasn't that guy, the guy they said was from Wisconsin, was from South Dakota? | ||
| Didn't you tell me? | ||
| Yeah, he made a reference on this. | ||
| And, you know, I don't want to pick all their numbers apart or anything. | ||
| Well, they're not ranchers. | ||
| So I think what happens is someone told them that, that sounds great, they went with it. | ||
| Look, they made a great documentary, but when you make a documentary you also have a great responsibility. | ||
| They have an agenda, it's very clear. | ||
| Their agenda is to promote veganism. | ||
| It's because they feel very strongly about it. | ||
| Whether you agree with it or whether you don't agree with it, that's their point of view. | ||
| That's what they're trying to get through in this documentary is that if you just grow vegetables and you live off vegetables, you don't need as many acres. | ||
| You could feed more people and it's a healthier way to do it. | ||
| That's just their perspective and their point of view. | ||
| So they sort of, they lean towards that in a very strong way while highlighting some irrefutable facts that are very disturbing. | ||
| And that's the shame of it is because, you know, they're environmentalists too. | ||
| You know, that's obvious. | ||
| It kind of put off the vibe that people like Doug and I aren't. | ||
| And that's the problem, as you look at the big corporations that are feeding off of all this misinformation, really. | ||
| What do you mean by the big corporations? | ||
| Well, you talk about the big farms. | ||
| You can talk about it in any industry. | ||
| It's kind of a disjointed effort. | ||
| You've got these guys talking about this. | ||
| You've got these guys talking about this. | ||
| We're all concerned about the environment. | ||
| But some of this stuff came off as an attack on beef production, cattle, livestock production. | ||
| But we all agree on certain things. | ||
| I think if you really want to focus and you want to make a change in the world... | ||
| Find a way to work together. | ||
| Yeah, but their change is don't eat animals. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| Don't kill animals. | ||
| So you've got to compromise. | ||
| But they don't want to compromise. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| There's very strong connections between veganism and religion. | ||
| If you look at a lot of their ideologies, they're very similar in a lot of ways to religious zealots. | ||
| They have these ideas, they want to promote them, that and only that, and this is the way they want to go about it. | ||
| Some of them say crazy shit. | ||
| I've had these conversations with people on Twitter. | ||
| This guy was saying that human beings are not meant to eat meat. | ||
| We're herbivores. | ||
| Well, that's just not fucking true. | ||
| Show them your teeth, Doug. | ||
| Forget about the canine teeth. | ||
| That's absolutely true. | ||
| But how about the fact that scientists have done very clear studies on ancient humans, and the reason why we became human in the first place is the consumption of meat. | ||
| It literally changed the amount of brain tissue we have. | ||
| And then hunting changed how crafty people had to be. | ||
| It changed the innovation of these lower primates, these lower hominids. | ||
| They had to innovate. | ||
| They had to figure out tools. | ||
| They had to figure out weapons. | ||
| Not just to defend themselves from humans, but in order to hunt animals. | ||
| This is an irrefutable fact. | ||
| Essential part of evolution, yeah. | ||
| It is. | ||
| So I think, if I could speak for them, if I could play the devil's advocate, they're Point of view is now we have evolved to a point where we don't need to do this anymore. | ||
| We don't need meat anymore. | ||
| We're very intelligent. | ||
| We're also aware. | ||
| We're also faced with this overwhelming amount of evidence, this overwhelming amount of information that we have now because of the internet, because of our access to it, we've never had before. | ||
| So you can look at some of the statistics and some of the things they brought up and you could say, well, this is their argument for promoting a vegan lifestyle. | ||
| See, I can go with that. | ||
| The problem is that a lot of these guys, they say things like, human beings can't process meat. | ||
| Or we had this guy that Rob Wolf was arguing on Twitter who said, animal fat is toxic. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| How do Inuits live? | ||
| How they've been around forever? | ||
| They just eat nothing but fat. | ||
| These fucking people. | ||
| And if you look at their diet and you look at their diseases, the only fucking Inuits that are getting cancer are the ones that are smoking cigarettes. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's our nasty fucking western habit that we've passed up to these poor people. | ||
| That's how they're getting cancer, and they're getting cancer in higher numbers than they ever have before because they weren't getting it before at all. | ||
| These people were eating blubber and fat and seals and whatever fish they could get, and they can't grow a goddamn single vegetable, and they weren't getting cancer. | ||
| The cancer thing, that's a great issue. | ||
| Because recently, I don't know if you've caught the whole red meat and cancer thing, and they came out and they said, you know, definitely your smoked meats and your cured meats. | ||
| Like, our meats aren't cured. | ||
| What do you mean by cured? | ||
| Let's talk about what you're talking about. | ||
| Like sodium nitrite, like when you make bacon. | ||
| Like, if you took a package of my bacon and looked at the label, I think there's three or four ingredients in mine. | ||
| You look at a... | ||
| What are those ingredients? | ||
| Water. | ||
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Water. | |
| Pork, you know, and it's like celery salt, you know. | ||
| Right, which is how it should be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The problem is, your bacon, if you sat on a shelf, Nesca, Oscar Mayer bacon, if you put them both on the same shelf and sat for a week, Oscar Mayer would look the same. | ||
| Yours would start to fall apart. | ||
| Mine would need to be frozen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that's the only thing. | ||
| It's fucking normal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, why do we think flesh is just going to sit around and not fall apart at 39 degrees or whatever your refrigerator is? | ||
| It's not going to. | ||
| That's not how it goes. | ||
| So the cancer thing, and I get that, you know, I mean, that stuff probably is linked to cancer, but they've pulled back on the red meat in general. | ||
| They're not sure about it. | ||
| But the thing is, and I think the study is skewed because you talk about cancer and pH, okay? | ||
| You know, grass-fed beef has a neutral pH. | ||
| Corn-fed, grain-fed beef, that pH goes up. | ||
| And we know that cancer thrives in an acidic environment. | ||
| And there's other things. | ||
| The cows that have a high acid level, Guts, basically, is what it is. | ||
| They're more prone to acidosis, which needs more medication. | ||
| You need antibiotics. | ||
| And it's also a prime harbor for E. coli. | ||
| I'll find a staff for you, but the E. coli, I think it was 6,300,000 milligrams per person. | ||
| I'll look that up. | ||
| I'll chime back in. | ||
| You guys talk. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Look that up. | ||
| But it's a very important point I think you're making about how these animals that are unhealthy, it's kind of unhealthy to eat an unhealthy animal. | ||
| That seems logical. | ||
| That is. | ||
| One of the points that I found really interesting about the documentary was how these guys spoke about cattle aren't intended to eat. | ||
| And I couldn't agree with more. | ||
| Corn. | ||
| That was corn and soybeans. | ||
| Couldn't agree with more. | ||
| That's why mine eat grass, and right now they're eating hay. | ||
| And yours tastes very different, by the way. | ||
| You gave me a couple ribeyes last time. | ||
| I took them home. | ||
| They were damn delicious. | ||
| And lean, and a nice dark red meat. | ||
| And that's how a cow's supposed to be. | ||
| When you get beef from a store, you're getting this really light... | ||
| Red meat. | ||
| It's very light, almost like a pinkish meat. | ||
| And you compare that to, like, one of the elk steaks I have in back, those elk steaks are like a red, like a dark, almost like a purple. | ||
| You know, it's just fucking overflowing with testosterone and, you know, an elk cum or whatever the hell they got in their bodies. | ||
| I mean, that's a healthy animal. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| And that animal is choosing to eat, an elk is choosing, well, it's obviously a product of its environment, so it's eating what's available, just like a white-tailed deer is. | ||
| I remember when you and Brian were out, and I think Brian held up one of the backstrap steaks, and he goes, oh my god, this is like... | ||
| Sashimi grade. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nothing better. | ||
| Nothing better. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| When we cook that on your kitchen, oh my god. | ||
| We just butter, salt, and garlic. | ||
| And we grilled up some of those and we were all eating them going, good lord. | ||
| It was from an animal that you shot, what, three hours ago? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it was incredible. | ||
| Yeah, you talk about fresh... | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I do have that count there. | ||
| It is... | ||
| Remember, he's my numbers guy. | ||
| Are you ready? | ||
| He brought Nathan here to know the flight information, what's the hotel room, what time's the podcast... | ||
| And I'm going to hell with this. | ||
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You know, this is fun, Doug, but come on, I've got a family bag. | |
| So now we're talking cells per gram of meat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So in your grain-fed... | ||
| The count of E.coli, the grain fed in the count of E.coli, 6,300,000 cells per gram. | ||
| And the grass fed, 20,000. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| And it's all about the environment that you're creating by what you're putting into this thing. | ||
| It's unnatural! | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| It's unnatural. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Crazy numbers. | ||
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| And so... | ||
| These guys, and you know what? | ||
| I'd love to have them come to the farm and talk to me. | ||
| I don't think they want to be around your house of murder. | ||
| Doug Durin, House of Murder! | ||
| Well, take him out around Thanksgiving, right around opening day, and they can hear the fucking war zone. | ||
| We grow veggies, too, you know? | ||
| Where Doug lives, opening day, like in the morning, when we were out in the blind, and as soon as the sun starts peeking up over the horizon, you hear... | ||
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Boom! | |
| Boom! | ||
| You hear it off in the distance. | ||
| I'm like, dude, are we at war? | ||
| Why is there a picture of me? | ||
| That's gross. | ||
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I got a... | |
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I kind of like it. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm sharing a room with this guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The... | ||
| That was a weird experience. | ||
| It was the first time I'd ever been... | ||
| When I had gone hunting before, before that time, it had only been in the wild in Missouri, in the breaks, where there was no people. | ||
| When we were in your area, in Casanova, it's like everybody is so geared up for it. | ||
| When we stopped at that sporting goods store and got tags and got some equipment, everybody was rip-roaring, ready to go. | ||
| Tomorrow was like the opening day of a race. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A deer per second opening day in Wisconsin is shot. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| A deer per second. | ||
| Well, that's a testament to how many there are. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| We read a statistic about Minnesota, about how many car accidents are in Minnesota. | ||
| Was it Michigan? | ||
| Michigan. | ||
| Michigan has 100,000 car accidents a year from people hitting deer. | ||
| Just stop for a second, ladies and gentlemen, and you tell me you don't think they need to kill some fucking deer. | ||
| There's a hundred thousand a year. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's the number. | ||
| I should probably be careful if I keep repeating it over and over again. | ||
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There's a lot. | |
| There's a lot of deer. | ||
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There's more than five a year. | |
| What's the number? | ||
| 50,000. | ||
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Damn it. | |
| I was so close. | ||
| 80% of these crashes occur on two-lane roads between dusk and dawn. | ||
| 50,000. | ||
| What is the amount of animals that kill people? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The state's two million deer! | ||
| Two million deer! | ||
| In one fucking state! | ||
| How many people are in Michigan? | ||
| More than 2 million, but not a whole lot more. | ||
| I think in Wisconsin, cattle outnumber folks. | ||
| They're dropping by the day with that lead water. | ||
| 9.9 million. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| So they're 20% deer. | ||
| So what that means is, here's the reality. | ||
| You literally could feed that entire state of the deer population. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Because one deer, you can fucking eat a deer for months. | ||
| And one deer is going to make more than one deer. | ||
| I think that is a really interesting point, and it kind of goes along with some of my agreement with these guys. | ||
| We're subsidizing the dollar meal or whatever, the dollar hamburger and that kind of quick meat. | ||
| You drive through, you get the burger, and off you go. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| What I would advocate for is that I'm okay with eating less meat. | ||
| They had Michael Pollan on it. | ||
| He talked about eating less meat. | ||
| Based on the numbers that they were using, which I think was like... | ||
| I think it was 0.6-something, I think is what they said on the movie. | ||
| So like a half a pound of meat a day? | ||
| Well, it was more than that. | ||
| It was 0.6-something, I believe. | ||
| Or what you're supposed to eat? | ||
| No, that's what the average American eats, evidently. | ||
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That's it? | |
| Well, I mean, that's like... | ||
| Yeah, I balance that shit out. | ||
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But... | |
| You bring the average up. | ||
| Well, you've got to think about the guys. | ||
| You know, we've all seen these guys, you know, Charlie Chicken Fingers and Slobber McGee, you know, eating fast food. | ||
| Charlie Chicken Fingers and Slobber McGee. | ||
| You've seen these guys eat, right? | ||
| You know, you're like, watch out, you're going to eat your finger, dude. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| Well, people are addicted to food, man. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| That's what we're dealing with, because the real sickness isn't that we're raising meat, it's the demand. | ||
| You know, so farmers are rising to meet that demand and people aren't demanding good meat. | ||
| They're demanding shitty cheap meat that they can buy for 99 cents. | ||
| You know, one of the things that these folks were addressing in that documentary that I think didn't get to the heart of it all, but the heart of it all really is the amount of human beings. | ||
| The only reason why, like if there was only, if Casanova was the world, you wouldn't need a fucking factory farm. | ||
| You sure wouldn't. | ||
| You wouldn't need it. | ||
| Casanovia is essentially a sustainable environment. | ||
| All you need is some solar power, some windmills for electricity. | ||
| You got your own spring. | ||
| You got your water you can get from a well. | ||
| You got your cattle that graze. | ||
| You have more than enough food for you. | ||
| You could grow your own vegetables. | ||
| You can, what you don't have in the winter, you know, what you want to last through the winter, and you're good. | ||
| But we have too many goddamn people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Isn't that often comes down to people keep fucking, and that's... | ||
| Fucking is fun. | ||
| I'm a fan of it. | ||
| When are we going home? | ||
| Can we get an early flight tomorrow? | ||
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Me too, man. | |
| Well, I have three kids, so I should shut the fuck up, because I'm obviously making more people than I am. | ||
| Are they all boys? | ||
| No, all girls. | ||
| See, my best friend Gatlin, he's got five boys. | ||
| It's one thing to have five kids, but to have them all be boys, that's like, you're talking exponential. | ||
| They're just going to fucking shoot jizz off all the land and make more boys. | ||
| The cool thing is, and Doug and I have been talking about this, and he mentioned earlier, like, we're sitting here talking about this really interesting stuff because we don't want to come off on this podcast as a bunch of, you know, Knuckle-dragging mouth breathers eating meat. | ||
| You're definitely not. | ||
| So let's be careful. | ||
| We're talking about all this stuff in the middle of L.A. where you got a guy dressed like Spider-Man and all these women wearing, you know... | ||
| Well, by the way, that's why we're way out here in the suburbs. | ||
| I don't want to be around that. | ||
| It's not a good place. | ||
| Well, thank you for putting us down there, though. | ||
| You guys wanted to be down there, right? | ||
| No, it's perfect. | ||
| Well, it's a good place to, you know, just to... | ||
| People watch. | ||
| People watch, yeah. | ||
| Well, one thing, we've been talking about a lot of awesome people and really digging deeper into this, but there's guys like, you know, Doug can expand on this more because he's read more of the book, but this guy Mark Shepard and other guys, I mean, people contend that we can raise enough food sustainably, but part of that equation is... | ||
| And that's what maybe we could unify with these guys, like guys from Cowspiracy is, you know, let's not talk about ending meat. | ||
| That's an unachievable goal. | ||
| That's never going to happen. | ||
| Let's talk about educating people to say, hey, let's not eat quite so much so we can sustain, you know? | ||
| Okay, but just to play devil's advocate, a lot of these guys, they love animals. | ||
| They love animals. | ||
| They're animal lovers. | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| Yeah, so are we. | ||
| But they do it in a way where they don't want animals to die. | ||
| They want those animals to die of old age only. | ||
| The problem, I think, there's an ideology attached to veganism, where once they stop eating meat, they want everybody else to stop, too. | ||
| Well, you're talking about 95% of the world that eats meat. | ||
| It's 95%, something crazy like that. | ||
| Please always check my numbers, Jimmy. | ||
| I was off by 100%. | ||
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| Yeah, but you know, why if these guys, this is to play devil's advocate, if If these guys can stop eating meat and become vegans, why can't the world? | ||
| And I think that's what a lot of people are saying. | ||
| Other things I would agree with them. | ||
| Have a garden. | ||
| Grow some food on your balcony in the city. | ||
| We have a couple of mutual friends who are growing stuff on their balcony in New York City. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| One thing I noticed in that movie was dude's hydroponic system on the rooftop was empty. | ||
| My hydroponic system at home was full. | ||
| The conspiracy guy's hydroponic system. | ||
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| It's kind of fucked up. | ||
| And we're not here to throw punches, right? | ||
| Well, they could have just started it and just set it up. | ||
| Or go buy some plants and put them in there for heaven's sake. | ||
| One of my favorite stories is these former FBI agents who were retired and they were arrested because they were growing hydroponic plants and vegetables in their basement and, you know, the DEA passes by houses and they scan. | ||
| These people bought hydroponic When you buy hydroponic equipment, they flag you, and they follow you. | ||
| It's so fucking insane that growing vegetables has become a crime. | ||
| Because so many people grow a pot, they assume that if you're growing a plant with some sort of a plant system, that you must be growing an illegal drug. | ||
| So with no evidence whatsoever, two fucking former FBI agents, they break down their door, guns a-blazin', and they arrest these people and then find out they're fucking growing tomatoes. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of a hot-button deal going on in Reedsburg right now. | ||
| We're my hometown. | ||
| My buddy Gatlin, I already mentioned him, but he's on a whim. | ||
| I mean, this dude is a successful appraiser, real estate appraiser, but he's always looking for that home run. | ||
| So he's making a living, but he's taking his cuts. | ||
| And so now his latest venture, he took his whole tax return and just turned this building that he couldn't lease into a hydroponic wonderland. | ||
| For weed? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, when it comes legal, he's gonna be ready to rock and roll. | ||
| And he wants to do CBD oil extraction. | ||
| The government's going after that now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you get these people walking by, and we got these purple lights, and people are like, what are they growing in there? | ||
| And everybody thinks we're growing weed, and it's like, if we're growing weed, the cops would have the door kicked down two weeks ago. | ||
| Maybe they should put a sign. | ||
| We're not growing weed, you fucks. | ||
| Well, he just needs to get a sign up. | ||
| That is a sign that you should put up. | ||
| It's called Grow Lucky. | ||
| You can Google it. | ||
| I think it's growluckygreens.com. | ||
| It's all pretty new. | ||
| I would definitely assume that guy knows where the weed is. | ||
| Grow Lucky Greens. | ||
| With that name? | ||
| How lucky can I get? | ||
| How much for an ounce of your lucky shit, man? | ||
| Let's talk about this downstairs. | ||
| Come to the special room. | ||
| Anyway, that idea of growing the garden and people taking responsibility for their food is such a big deal. | ||
| The fellas that you had in here, that's You know, where I'm joined at the hip with him about that. | ||
| Yeah, I think we're all in agreement with that. | ||
| And there's a guy named Ron Finley that I had on before who was awesome. | ||
| And he's a proponent of urban gardening. | ||
| And what he does is he takes medians, like, you know, that you just see grass and bullshit in in LA. Genius. | ||
| Yeah, genius stuff. | ||
| Plants in them. | ||
| He grows vegetables and foods. | ||
| And he does it in abandoned lots. | ||
| He'll set up gardens in abandoned lots. | ||
| And he does it all throughout South Central. | ||
| And he has people that live in these communities growing their own food. | ||
| And he had this amazing point that I never considered before. | ||
| He's like, you drive down this street and you see bushes, you see trees, you see all these plants, and you can't eat none of it! | ||
| He goes, we're wasting water on shit we can't even eat. | ||
| He goes, you could have food growing in the same places you have all of these trees. | ||
| Why don't we do that? | ||
| And I was sitting there going, why don't we do that? | ||
| Like an orange tree. | ||
| We'll talk about lawns too, lawns. | ||
| Fuck yeah, right? | ||
| An orange tree looks great. | ||
| Well, that's exactly right. | ||
| Aesthetically pleasing on top of it all. | ||
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| You've got to get them some of these pictures. | ||
| Food! | ||
| This guy, Mark Shepard, who's from our area, and he doesn't know me from The Man on the Moon. | ||
| This is his book, Restoration Agriculture. | ||
| Restoration Agriculture. | ||
| Real world permaculture for farmers. | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| Area photographs of his farm. | ||
| Artwork. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It looks like a landscape architect was involved. | ||
| Layering of plants, starting with the tallest trees down to annuals eventually. | ||
| At the same time, he's pasturing through there three and four different kinds of animals. | ||
| They're cleaning up the nuts that they didn't harvest. | ||
| Which is very important to clean your nuts. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Bar none. | ||
| Most importantly. | ||
| Unless you're in a weird show. | ||
| Some people like dirty things. | ||
| That's where you get minerals. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Nut butter? | ||
| Dirt. | ||
| Whoa, is this his stuff? | ||
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| So check that out. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Isn't that cool? | ||
| That's gorgeous. | ||
| And so this is, it says, New Forest Farm, Mark Shepherd, Permaculture, what does it say? | ||
| There's the words abbreviated there. | ||
| Permaculture. | ||
| Apprenticeship program. | ||
| I think he does classes and stuff. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| And the amount of food he can pull off that, Joe. | ||
| And they graze that then. | ||
| What do you mean, cows graze that? | ||
| Yeah, and pigs and chickens. | ||
| Oh, so there's grass in between. | ||
| So he says, and maybe Doug can find this, but the amount of food he can grow on there, and he talks about just how many vegetables. | ||
| He's like, but if you're only growing vegetables, you're going to have to mow this stuff. | ||
| So it makes sense. | ||
| And that's the whole thing. | ||
| You've got to complete the loop. | ||
| You've got to complete the cycle. | ||
| You've got to close that loop and find that ecological harmony. | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| Two photos ago, Jamie, don't go through those real quick, right there, bam, make that bigger. | ||
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| He's got little ponds in there, too? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so the cattle graze in the grass area, and then in between the grass, he's got trees that grow food. | ||
| Wow, that's beautiful, too. | ||
| And then he brings pigs and chickens through. | ||
| And this is near you? | ||
| Yeah, not far away. | ||
| Viola? | ||
| Yeah, Viroqua. | ||
| Now go to it now. | ||
| It's a big fucking ice skating rink. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Frozen tundra. | ||
| Let's go in, Jim. | ||
| His point being that when we grow one crop on a farm field, Corn, soybeans, organic or otherwise, or vegetables, that sort of thing. | ||
| In our area, in the winter, then that's a desert. | ||
| I mean, once the corn or once the beans come off, that's what it is. | ||
| I mean, you saw it. | ||
| The deer come out into the field and they eat a little bit of the stuff and all that. | ||
| And guys will pasture out on that. | ||
| But it really does become sort of that one-trick pony, which to a certain degree, vegetable gardening will be as well, although you can rotate crops through. | ||
| But like on my place, we're growing livestock. | ||
| We're enriching the soil. | ||
| Our pasture is getting better all the time because we're not over pasturing in any particular place. | ||
| There's carbon sequestering going on. | ||
| What's that mean? | ||
| Carbon sequestering. | ||
| Locking up the carbon in the soil. | ||
| So like with composting and things along those lines? | ||
| Yeah, there's people that can contend that cattle and proper management In the pasture rotation, it can start to turn back the climate change. | ||
| How would that work? | ||
| By sequestering the carbon, starting to pull it out. | ||
| And when we till, the constant tillage, that's a no-no. | ||
| A lot of no-tilling, a lot of rotational grazing, that's up and up. | ||
| I mean, that's where we need to be. | ||
| Multiple benefits from one action. | ||
| So I'm pasturing, and you saw some of the pastures, some of the places where you hunted was pasturing. | ||
| There's wildlife in there, and we've got good, clean water. | ||
| When we went to a point on our farm where we weren't over pasturing, and it was just something that we, you know, we sort of learned, the streams were real wide. | ||
| When we were over pasturing, they were really wide. | ||
| The water was shallow, and it was warm. | ||
| No trout. | ||
| As time has gone by and we weren't over pasturing anymore, those streams narrow up because there's running water that's going to cut that and it starts to fill in. | ||
| The grass starts to grow. | ||
| Now you stepped across a creek that you used to have to walk through. | ||
| So there's trout in there now. | ||
| The cattle are going in there. | ||
| They're eating a certain amount of the grass. | ||
| We keep moving them through. | ||
| They're eating a certain amount of the grass. | ||
| They're keeping some of the invasive species down. | ||
| Deer are still living in there. | ||
| Songbirds are still living there. | ||
| Gamebirds are still living in there. | ||
| All of those things are happening and the Plants themselves are pulling the CO2, you know, the whole photosynthetic process, pulling that out and putting it back into the ground where it belongs to counteract some of that. | ||
| So, gee, I think I'm getting like three or four different positive results from having pasture, you know, hickory orchard with some bigger trees and that sort of thing. | ||
| This dude... | ||
| With permaculture, it starts to add multiple other things. | ||
| Layers of... | ||
| So if you think about an acre of land like this table, and if you're growing one crop on it, one vegetable crop, you've got an acre of land, 43,560 square feet of that particular vegetable, or those groups of vegetables. | ||
| But with the idea of permaculture... | ||
| You have your upper layers, trees, big trees, you know, big oak trees and, you know, you might have hickory for hickory nuts and that sort of thing. | ||
| Bush type things and berries. | ||
| Well, to begin with, that upper level. | ||
| So on that same, you know, chunk of ground, you've got this large tree. | ||
| It's producing wood. | ||
| This looks like a good oak table here that we're leaning on. | ||
| It's the same sort of thing. | ||
| The next layer is the smaller trees like fruit trees and that sort of thing. | ||
| Below that are shrubs that are going to be serviceberry, chokeberry, aronia, some of the antioxidant producing And then you go down to the next layer, which is going to be things like asparagus and rhubarb. | ||
| And it keeps coming down. | ||
| So now instead of just that one plane of plants growing, you've got it on that same acre. | ||
| You've just grown multiple acres of food. | ||
| And that is just something that needs to be thought about, the bigger thing. | ||
| He's then rotating through four different kinds of animals. | ||
| He's running beef through it. | ||
| And they're not in there all the time. | ||
| So it takes management. | ||
| After beef, and it's called a leader-follower grazing system. | ||
| After beef, he's running pigs through it, because pigs are a great cleanup animal. | ||
| After that comes turkeys, and turkeys are cleaning up the grubs and whatnot in the shit from the cows and the pigs. | ||
| He runs sheep in it, and last might be chickens. | ||
| So the intensity of management is incredible, and the amount of Layers of food that are coming off of that and then layers of acreage. | ||
| Well, suddenly we're getting, you know, in his scenario, I'm getting three or four benefits out of it. | ||
| He's still getting all that carbon sequestering and all that. | ||
| But now he's built that up to 10 or 12 different positive results from the same thing. | ||
| And one of them is from a wildlife perspective, which is one of the things that gets talked about all the time. | ||
| You garden at home. | ||
| I garden at home. | ||
| What's the one thing that every garden that has wildlife around it has? | ||
| A fence. | ||
| If you're going to grow vegetables for profit or for fun and put your effort into it, you can put a fence around it. | ||
| You're going to exclude wildlife from that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's one of the main contingents we had. | ||
| When we sat down, we're like, okay, this is going to be tough. | ||
| These guys... | ||
| We put forth a really good narrative and had some really irrefutable facts. | ||
| But one of the things we talked about, the water, talked about the acreage, but the wildlife thing, one thing that they said was, and where these livestock are living, that is area void of wildlife. | ||
| I mean, I look at my pasture, from the soil microbes and the worms to the bugs and butterflies to the, you know, field mice and moles, and we've got hawks, and we've, I mean, we see a badger and a fox. | ||
| I mean, That's wildlife. | ||
| They had a very idealistic point of view. | ||
| They didn't understand wolves. | ||
| They didn't understand management of wolves. | ||
| They didn't understand the reason why they're starting to open up hunting seasons on wolves. | ||
| They also didn't know that Idaho is one of the most wildlife-rich places in the country where people go and hunt elk and mule deer. | ||
| I mean, Idaho is fucking filled with animals. | ||
| And they thought that Idaho is like, you know, it's all farms now. | ||
| It's devoid of... | ||
| They just... | ||
| It's an idealized sort of hippie vegan approach, which, you know, they're just leaning towards that. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't mean they don't have great points. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, that's what we're saying. | ||
| It was a tough thing to do, you know, to come out and be a counterpoint for something that you agree with a lot of. | ||
| Their main bone, and I think a lot of people, I mean, it's the factory farming thing. | ||
| What we're talking about here, I don't think it's sustainable for the population of Los Angeles. | ||
| And what you're talking about here with this kind of a farm, man, you would need a giant fucking farm like that to feed Los Angeles. | ||
| Or a lot of them. | ||
| A lot of smaller farms. | ||
| Oh, but you would mean so many of them. | ||
| I don't know how much they produce in... | ||
| If you compared in comparison to one of these gigantic factory farms. | ||
| Well, and I'm not... | ||
| I don't know, right? | ||
| My number guy isn't going to have those numbers either. | ||
| Well, no one is. | ||
| And this is the thing. | ||
| We can keep going deeper and deeper with this because people can say, well, hey, it's sustainable in Cazenovia. | ||
| Okay, well, is it sustainable in Wisconsin? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is it sustainable on the entire eastern side of the country? | ||
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No. | |
| Not really. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What if we can get the United States sustainable? | ||
| Well, we've still got India. | ||
| Well, we're fucked. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, you've got a billion people living in a place a third the size of the United States. | ||
| What do you do then? | ||
| Those numbers might be wrong. | ||
| The big thing here is, and the bigger conversation I think is, and that's something that, gosh, people that care should really, you know, shove veganism and, you know, meat eating aside and just, let's say, how do we make this work? | ||
| You know, and I think it's education. | ||
| I think... | ||
| People need to understand that you can't just go around eating meat, you know, Charlie's Chicken Fingers. | ||
| You can't be doing that. | ||
| You've got to have a balanced diet, and you can't be eating pounds of meat a day. | ||
| For health, you probably shouldn't overeat. | ||
| I think we all agree on that. | ||
| Overeat anything. | ||
| But this is a different subject I think we're talking about. | ||
| We're talking about sustainability, and we're talking about feeding gigantic swaths of people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what these factory farms have set up. | ||
| I mean, through the method of collecting nitrogen from the oxygen, I mean, from the air, the Haber method that they invented in, like, the early 1900s, that's how they figured out how to extract nitrogen, and because of that, a gigantic population boom ensued. | ||
| That's the reason why there's so many people in the world today. | ||
| This is widely accredited with the Haber method of collecting nitrogen. | ||
| Because before that, it was really difficult to fertilize soil. | ||
| Once they figured out how to extract nitrogen from the actual air itself, things got a little easier to grow food, and the population boomed. | ||
| And that's part of what we're dealing with here. | ||
| What we're dealing with here It's kind of, you know, when we talk about wildlife, we're talking about the 50,000 car accidents that are in Michigan every year alone because of the overabundance of deer. | ||
| This is sort of what we're talking about with human beings. | ||
| We have an overabundance of human beings. | ||
| Now, obviously, I'm not suggesting we have massive hunts on humans. | ||
| So it's in the herd? | ||
| It's in the herd. | ||
| But we would, if we were some sort of an alien, and we looked at, okay, let's put it this way. | ||
| If chimpanzees were overrunning Chicago, like somehow or another chimpanzees figured out how to get to Chicago, they fucking swang from tree to tree, and they moved in and started setting up shop and overrunning the place, the part where people were getting in car accidents with chimps, would we kill them? | ||
| That would be very tricky. | ||
| I don't think we would. | ||
| Because chimps are way fucking smarter than deer, and we like smart shit. | ||
| So, we wouldn't kill chimps the way we would kill deer. | ||
| So, people obviously are smarter than- most people are smarter than chimps. | ||
| I know some people that probably aren't smarter than chimps. | ||
| When it gets to intelligent animals, that's when we get weird. | ||
| Like, nobody gives a fuck if you kill a bug, okay? | ||
| If mosquitoes contain Zitka virus and malaria and all this different shit, you can kill mosquitoes all goddamn day long. | ||
| And for whatever reason, nobody gives a fuck about mosquitoes. | ||
| Because we've all agreed that mosquitoes are the enemy, right? | ||
| Mosquitoes contain malaria. | ||
| Malaria has killed—this is a number I know is real—malaria has killed 50% of all the people that have died ever. | ||
| How about that? | ||
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Wow. | |
| Say that again? | ||
| 50% of all the human beings that have died ever in the history of people have died from malaria. | ||
| How about them apples? | ||
| That's a pretty heavy thing you laid on me there. | ||
| That's some real shit because I've been fascinated with malaria for years. | ||
| I've read a lot of shit on malaria, and I've had two friends that got malaria, including Justin Wren, our friend who was in here recently, who fights this weekend on Bellator. | ||
| Good luck to my friend Justin. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| This guy is fucking... | ||
| You want to talk about an amazing human being? | ||
| This guy, he gave up years of his life to go to the Congo and dig wells for these people, these pygmies in the Congo. | ||
| He's just the salt of the earth, like the nicest guy ever. | ||
| But he got malaria when he was doing that. | ||
| And almost died. | ||
| So, nobody gives a fuck if you kill mosquitoes, which is my point. | ||
| You know, you could swat flies. | ||
| Vegans will swat a fucking mosquito, right? | ||
| You know, you don't go, please, namaste, injure my blood. | ||
| It's the blood of a carrot eater. | ||
| No. | ||
| You fucking slap that fucker down, but there's a certain level. | ||
| Like, okay. | ||
| If an ant is on your food, a lot of times a vegan will kill that ant and what do you do with the body? | ||
| You throw it to the ground, you ignore it because it's little. | ||
| You just fucking kill an ant in my house and if you went like that and brushed it off, I wouldn't say a word. | ||
| I'd be like, Doug's doing some acceptable behavior. | ||
| He killed an ant that's on his pants and he dropped it on the ground. | ||
| But if a mouse ran across my kitchen and you stomped it and then ignored it, I'd be like, hey, fucker. | ||
| The fucking splatter of guts and hair you've left. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There's a weird hierarchy of living things. | ||
| And the line is clearly, I mean, one of the lines is fellow mammals. | ||
| And, you know, I don't even know what to say about that. | ||
| But not rats. | ||
| Fuck rats. | ||
| Rats have the Black Plague and all kinds of... | ||
| Nobody gives a shit if you fucking kill a rat in your garage. | ||
| If you're so hardcore you're not into killing rats, I got a great rat story. | ||
| I want to hear a rat story. | ||
| I was living in the hills and I rented this house and I had a real rat problem to the point where I'd hear them banging around inside the rafters. | ||
| They're big, man. | ||
| Like the hills around Los Angeles... | ||
| Los Angeles is a very strange place because you have this city and then you have just outside the city pretty abundant wildlife including coyotes a lot of hawks and a lot of crazy shit but this place that I lived had a rat problem. | ||
| So I set out a rat trap, and I killed this fucking big ass rat, like as big as my laptop. | ||
| It was huge, man. | ||
| It was no bullshit. | ||
| Like a snap trap? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Big fucker where you got to be real careful when you set it. | ||
| Because you take a finger off. | ||
| Definitely break one, right? | ||
| I set it out, and I heard it in my kitchen. | ||
| I was whack! | ||
| I'm like, oh shit, I got one. | ||
| And I went out there and I looked, and it's this big fucking fat boy rat. | ||
| I was like, oh jeez, look at the size of that thing. | ||
| So I said, okay, in the morning I'll get up and I'll put that thing in the garbage and whatever and deal with it. | ||
| I went to sleep. | ||
| I got up in the morning and that fucker was gone. | ||
| They ate him down to almost nothing. | ||
| All that was left is the tail. | ||
| So rats apparently don't even like rat tail, but they had eaten most of his body. | ||
| The rats had cannibalized most of his body. | ||
| That's why we say fuck rats. | ||
| Yeah, and if you see one rat, you got a dozen. | ||
| Oh, at least. | ||
| My house was overrun with them. | ||
| It was really bad. | ||
| Yeah, it was real bad, man. | ||
| It was like one of the first places I lived when I lived out here. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Because before that, I lived in New York, in New Rochelle, and my area, although New York City has a huge rat problem. | ||
| New York City's rat problem is crazy. | ||
| I parked my car once. | ||
| This was back in the days of phones, pay phones. | ||
| I didn't have a cell phone. | ||
| I parked my car at this gas station. | ||
| I was getting some gas, and I walked over to the pay phone. | ||
| And as I'm on the phone, I saw three rats jump up in my wheel wells, climb up over my tires. | ||
| Three big, fat rats. | ||
| Like, this place was overrun with rats. | ||
| They were looking to move or something. | ||
| They say if you see one rat... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe check the numbers. | ||
| But if you see one... | ||
| I don't know if it's a hundred, or there's a hundred or a thousand, something like that. | ||
| Let's say 50 million. | ||
| Let's get crazy. | ||
| If you see one, there's 50 million around, you know? | ||
| Watch out. | ||
| Have you seen the pizza rat? | ||
| Have you seen this New York City pizza rat? | ||
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No! | |
| There's a rat taking pizza home in New York. | ||
| You were just waiting for this, weren't you? | ||
| This is cool, but here's something that a lot of people don't know. | ||
| Rats are hunters. | ||
| Why don't you, Jamie, pull up Rat Kills Pigeon? | ||
| Because there's not just one video of these. | ||
| There's many videos of rats in New York City attacking and killing pigeons. | ||
| iPhone videos. | ||
| This is fucking bizarre. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| I had no idea they were predators. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| No. | ||
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Watch this. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| Look. | ||
| Fucking rat is jacking this pigeon. | ||
| And the pigeon gets away and almost gets free. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| It's like they're a little laying prey. | ||
| So this rat has this pigeon by the neck. | ||
| This is a different one than I saw. | ||
| The one I saw, the pigeon gets away. | ||
| It's like near stairs. | ||
| And, oh yeah, here it is. | ||
| The pigeon tries to get away and the rat chases it down. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Because he's already winged him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But look at this. | ||
| The rat chases a living pigeon. | ||
| Well, look at how the camera guy doesn't want it. | ||
| He's like, not getting too close. | ||
| The guy walking around with his iPhone. | ||
| I know what I'm going to do today. | ||
| But I would video that too, you know? | ||
| Oh, why wouldn't you? | ||
| Oh, fuck yeah. | ||
| What else are you going to do? | ||
| But I had no idea. | ||
| Did you know that rats were predators? | ||
| No, you know... | ||
| Opportunists, maybe. | ||
| But this is a predator. | ||
| It's chasing down an animal. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Always a problem with, you know, when you had grain around. | ||
| Look how strong he is. | ||
| He just jumped that fucking curb with that thing in its mouth like it was nothing. | ||
| There was one point he stood up on his hind legs with it in his mouth. | ||
| Fucking monsters. | ||
| We're so lucky they're little. | ||
| Imagine if a rat was the size of a deer. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Look, there it goes again. | ||
| He still tries to get away. | ||
| And he's on it. | ||
| Ooh, he's got its back. | ||
| That's good technique. | ||
| He's got the hooks in. | ||
| Joe, is that good technique? | ||
| That's very good. | ||
| Look at the back leg. | ||
| See how he's controlling? | ||
| Very good technique. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
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Jiu-jitsu. | |
| Jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I had to mention something like that, because the only way my grandpa knows who I'm talking to is the fight guy. | ||
| That's how I explain to my grandpa. | ||
| Your grandpa likes watching fights? | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| Loves UFC. Like I said, he's the only guy in the nursing home that watches. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| 93, going on 94. I'm freaking out all the other people. | ||
| It looks like that's it. | ||
| Rats are creeps. | ||
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Wow. | |
| See, now if you caught that rat in a trap, nobody would get mad at you. | ||
| But if you shoot a bear, they'll fucking protest. | ||
| So I have a different story for you. | ||
| I had a house up in Door County, an old farmhouse, and no one lived in it for a long time. | ||
| And we had rats in that house. | ||
| But the other thing that we had in that house were snakes. | ||
| Sounds nasty. | ||
| My daughter's mother didn't like snakes at all. | ||
| She opened up the back door of the place one time, and it was, I don't know, I guess it was a fox snake because it was a big-ass snake. | ||
| And it's like knocking on the door, trying to get there. | ||
| There was a spot where they could get in. | ||
| When we started to remodel the place, Taking, you know, we put some beams up and we were taking some interior walls down. | ||
| Snake skins. | ||
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Oh, jeez. | |
| It's not the wall. | ||
| I would, she's just probably, if she's listening to this, she's hearing that for the first time. | ||
| Because I didn't tell her, man, she wasn't there. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Snake skin and they're like three feet long, you know, where they molted or whatever the word is for it. | ||
| Snake farm, Douglas. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| But those aren't predators, right? | ||
| I mean, those aren't poisonous. | ||
| Well, they're predators on lice and they're probably in there for the rats. | ||
| It's probably good to have them. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the thing about, like, in my neighborhood, I see hawks all the time. | ||
| And they're the ones that keep the population of rodents down. | ||
| You see them all the time, man. | ||
| They're fucking beautiful. | ||
| As do, in our area, this is a real thing that I struggle with a little bit, is coyotes. | ||
| People do coyote hunting around me. | ||
| And we were talking about wolves before. | ||
| And, I mean, I'm not physically, you know, I'm not worried about coyotes, like, taking us down or anything like that. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I have this, in fact, talked to Yanis Patelis about it. | ||
| And his response to me talking about allowing coyote hunting on our place was, he goes, oh man, I just think they're trying to make a living too. | ||
| And, you know, they eat a lot of rodents. | ||
| They clean up a lot of the weak and the old of deer and that sort of thing. | ||
| But My buddy, Greg, who you may hear, Greg Kiefer, who you may hear, man, I'm a big dude, Steve talks about him all the time, recently had a deer run into his yard by a pack of coyotes, and they took it down and killed it in his yard. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| It was a deer that had been wounded during the, well, we assume the gun season. | ||
| It had a big scar on the back of the neck. | ||
| I suppose it could have been an arrow that had cut it or something like that. | ||
| So it was weak or whatever. | ||
| And yeah, in the middle of the night, just went down in the middle of the night. | ||
| He went out there. | ||
| I couldn't believe it. | ||
| Never seen anything like that. | ||
| How many coyotes? | ||
| Well, based on, he didn't see how many, but it was, you know, they work in groups of two or three or four or five. | ||
| You know, I have a chicken coop in my yard and I went out in the middle of the night to shut the coop because I let the chickens out and they wander around and I closed the coop. | ||
| And when I closed the coop, I was just outside enjoying the peace, looking up at the stars. | ||
| And I heard these deer running, like running, full clip. | ||
| And then something was chasing after them, full clip. | ||
| But it was dark and my eyes hadn't adjusted. | ||
| So I was trying to figure out what the fuck was happening. | ||
| But these deer were running and something was chasing them. | ||
| And I saw, I don't think so. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was a coyote, but it could have been a mountain lion. | ||
| But I saw what looked like the silhouette of a coyote on the top of this hill. | ||
| And I was like, this is so wild. | ||
| There's a house here, and this fucking asshole over here is watching The Bachelorette. | ||
| And inside, this guy pulls into his driveway, his Mercedes, he's smoking his e-cigarette, and some fucking tooth and claw shit is going on right there. | ||
| Right there, these coyotes are chasing down these deer. | ||
| Because there's a series of oak trees down the street from my house where these deer tend to bed. | ||
| I see them there all the time, and there's probably five or six of them. | ||
| But you'll see coyotes, especially come spring, when the fawns are being born. | ||
| You'll see these fuckers hanging around, just looking for an easy meal. | ||
| You know, guys who raise cattle around me will talk about, and I don't know, Nathan, if you know anything about this, but to my knowledge, I've never had a calf taken by a... | ||
| By coyotes or anything like that. | ||
| I have had a calf that was born and died. | ||
| You know, it was stillborn or something that wasn't there the next day. | ||
| So coyotes took it. | ||
| But the cow abandoned it too. | ||
| The one thing you do not want to mess with is a 1,450 pound Hereford cow who just had a calf. | ||
| She is not going to let you near that calf. | ||
| Get kicked by a cow? | ||
| I've only had pigs and chickens taken. | ||
| And that's only when the dogs, like, we forget and leave the dogs in for the night. | ||
| A piglet or an actual whole pig? | ||
| Piglet. | ||
| Piglet. | ||
| A full-grown pig would probably, especially if there's more than one, I'm sure they'd take care of themselves. | ||
| They're vicious. | ||
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They're so big. | |
| I got bit by one of my pigs. | ||
| I mean, if I were to fall down in my pig pen... | ||
| You'd be fucked, right? | ||
| And if I couldn't get up, I mean, my wife would come home and there'd be nothing left of me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Three, four pigs would have me done. | ||
| Yeah, that's real. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Well, that's the number one. | ||
| Here's more statistics. | ||
| He's your number guy. | ||
| Is that the number 50% of people that have died? | ||
| It's the number one animal that kills people on farms. | ||
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Really? | |
| Pigs. | ||
| Yeah, people fall. | ||
| Sometimes an old farmer will have a heart attack and fall into the pig's thigh and they just gobble them up. | ||
| For the first time, I actually saw one of my pigs eat a chicken. | ||
| Please Google that. | ||
| I couldn't save the chicken in time, so I was like, what am I going to do? | ||
| I don't want to save a half-mangled chicken. | ||
| So I let them finish it, but they systematically cornered the thing, and I'm running over, and then it was over. | ||
| It was too late. | ||
| I had a coyote take a chicken from my yard. | ||
| I watched it hop the fence, but it's in its mouth. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And I was gonna kill the fucker, but then I realized it was a female, and then it had cubs. | ||
| A lot of the yiping and hollering that you hear, people think... | ||
| There's a lot of misconceptions about coyotes, and one of them is that when you ever hear that, that there's some sort of a party. | ||
| A lot of it is a mother communicating with her young. | ||
| And I was pretty sure that this was what happened because my dog had let this female near the chickens. | ||
| Like the dog had sort of like aided and abetted this coyote killing this chicken. | ||
| And then I realized like, oh, this is a female that has babies. | ||
| So that's where your soft spot was then. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a pussy. | ||
| When you hear that sound though, I mean when my wife first moved down to our farm, I mean, it sounds like there are a pack of children being murdered. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| And it's still night, like out where we are, and it just resonates. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| I have a relatively new friend out in Washington who has actually been emailing me and asking me for advice about coyotes, trapping coyotes. | ||
| Do you know anything about trapping coyotes? | ||
| Talk to Ranella. | ||
| He recommends subsonic.22s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm more a fan of shooting and trapping. | ||
| Wildlife ecologists I know in Wisconsin, when people would start to talk to him about, you know, I'm trying to get rid of this animal or whatever, having to make a woodchuck or something like that, he would always recommend a small piece of lead at a very high velocity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's what a buddy of mine does. | ||
| He sets out cat food. | ||
| He puts cat food. | ||
| These coyotes that were targeting his dogs. | ||
| So he would set out plates of cat food and sit on his balcony and just wait. | ||
| Yeah, you can call him in too. | ||
| Yeah, you can call him in with predator calls, but you might call him some other shit too. | ||
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Depends on where you are. | |
| Around these parts, man. | ||
| We were talking about this yesterday, that they just did this study of all these different mountain lions that they've killed. | ||
| Here's some more numbers. | ||
| I think they killed like 100 mountain lions in the San Francisco area, northern California area. | ||
| And out of these mountain lions that they killed, most of them had cats and dogs in their bodies. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's a big thing. | ||
| They're finding out that this is what these things are eating. | ||
| Only 5% of them had deer in their body. | ||
| Well, it's easier. | ||
| But it's bizarre. | ||
| I mean, they're targeting people's pets. | ||
| I mean, that's their food. | ||
| It's fucking weird, man. | ||
| In Madison, Wisconsin, where I live, on the edges of town, and we actually live near two parks. | ||
| We have coyotes. | ||
| Yeah, there's a certain group of folks who are like, well, you know, they're just out there trying to make a living, too, until, you know, mittens and fifi get eaten. | ||
| Then we've got a little situation we have to deal with. | ||
| You've got to make up a story for the kids at that point. | ||
| It's a bizarre thing to see your cat in the jaws of a coyote as it's running away. | ||
| You know, there's the LA Museum of National History has this really cool exhibit on North American animals, and their exhibit, I had a picture of it on my Instagram, Jamie, of the coyote. | ||
| Their exhibit of the coyote in Los Angeles is a coyote with a fucking cat in its mouth. | ||
| That's in the Museum of Natural History in Los Angeles. | ||
| The actual, you know, they have stuffed animals, they have buffalo, they show moose, and they have these, you know, so you can get to see, oh, that's what one of those looks like. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, they have these displays of these stuffed animals. | ||
| So the coyote has a fucking cat in its mouth and it's on someone's porch. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| That's in the National History. | ||
| That's the museum. | ||
| Fucking cat. | ||
| Dead cat. | ||
| And my kids were like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're like, um, daddy, it's the only fucking animal that's killing something in the entire museum. | ||
| This is the animal that's killing... | ||
| For a minute there, I thought that was the notes from the museum, and then I realized it was that you had written. | ||
| Yeah, see... | ||
| They're saying fucker in the National History Museum? | ||
| No, but look what these people are saying. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| My cat was just killed by one of these fuckers, you know? | ||
| I'll shoot a coyote for no reason other than it's a coyote. | ||
| Fuck a coyote. | ||
| Yeah, and they're right, man. | ||
| Those are little creepers. | ||
| Little creepers. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Swine likely kill fewer people than cattle do, but there's no reliable data. | ||
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20 people a year killed by cattle, it said. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Find out how many people killed by pigs. | ||
| I couldn't find any but one story recently. | ||
| One guy in Oregon. | ||
| I would guess that that number's a little bit higher. | ||
| I mean, personally, I know... | ||
| Two people have been killed by bulls. | ||
| Yeah, well, bulls, especially solitary bulls. | ||
| You know, the old expression is, you fuck with the bull, you get the horn. | ||
| I would imagine that happens. | ||
| I was milking for a farmer one time, and one of the things with dairy farming, and I grew up dairy farming, but if a cow has a stepped-on teat, we usually say tit, but I guess it doesn't matter now. | ||
| But they have a stepped-on teat, or they get mastitis, which is a sort of infection. | ||
| It's very sore, obviously. | ||
| So you gotta strap up the milker and not put it on that one. | ||
| And I was in a hurry. | ||
| I was late for my other job, so I'm trying to hurry and I forgot about this one cow. | ||
| And this guy's cow didn't go in the right stall, so my head wasn't where it needed to be. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I put the milker on the bad tit. | ||
| And she kicked me so hard. | ||
| She kicked me in the face, and then I flew back into the metal post. | ||
| I mean, I was out for a good 20 minutes, you know, and you wake up in a daze. | ||
| I mean, so that's one example of how somebody could easily be killed by a cow. | ||
| But they're so big. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| All you have to do is fall, and one stomps you, and that's it. | ||
| Well, again, it goes back to the calving thing. | ||
| Our neighbor, the guy who I used to, well, he still does some farming for us, cuts and rakes and bales our hay, was almost killed by a cow that just freshened, just had a calf, and he went in there to deal with the calf, and she got him into a corner and beat the snot out of him. | ||
| Eventually, he was able to crawl out and get under a gate, and this is normally a very nice animal, you know. | ||
| So, it's funny to tell that story when I've been sending you all this shit about how nice my cows are and I can scratch their heads and stuff. | ||
| Well, we were talking about that because I said that when we were around your cows, they fucking panicked and they ran off. | ||
| But you brought up an important point. | ||
| We were shooting squirrels. | ||
| No, you were shooting pigeons. | ||
| They were shooting pigeons. | ||
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I didn't think we had shot an Was there a lot of you, though, too? | |
| There's a lot of you guys? | ||
| There's a few. | ||
| There were four guys. | ||
| Four guys. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Brian Cowen might have been singing. | ||
| Loud. | ||
| He was singing already. | ||
| And you guys smell different. | ||
| I wouldn't let strangers in with mine. | ||
| I wouldn't want that. | ||
| What happened that day is a couple of different things that happened. | ||
| You know, factually you were correct. | ||
| What happened was you went into their pasture. | ||
| Well, they weren't out in pasture. | ||
| We had them in a barnyard because we'd been hunting, and I didn't want them out on the pasture where they would be and that sort of thing. | ||
| There is that video of that, and you see as you guys are walking in, and I never even thought about this then, Joe. | ||
| I was like, I should probably go out there. | ||
| The cattle will be a little calmer if I'm with them. | ||
| But, you know, I was afraid that Brian was going to fall through the floor of them. | ||
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Show any metal. | |
| Here's where you can't buy it. | ||
| Good Lord. | ||
| And I wanted to throw rocks, too. | ||
| As you're walking out there, they all turn and look at you as you're walking in because it's on that outtake. | ||
| And then when you start shooting, they're all down in the corner being very in a defensive position. | ||
| And the analogy I think I use to you is imagine you're at home having dinner and four dudes walk into your house with cameras and guns, talking loud, doing their whole thing. | ||
| And then they start shooting. | ||
| Well, I'm guessing that you're going to probably go to a corner of the house in the defensive position. | ||
| No doubt, once this shooting started happening. | ||
| Jamie, I just pulled this up. | ||
| There's more people were killed by pigs in 2014 than were killed by sharks. | ||
| Sharks get a bad rap. | ||
| Last year, it says there were 12 fatal pig attacks worldwide versus 10 shark fatalities. | ||
| So. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Different stats, I guess. | ||
| Different websites. | ||
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I was looking up on-farm specifically. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I think they're talking about wild pigs, actually. | ||
| Which I didn't know wild pigs kill that many people. | ||
| They're fucking creepers, though. | ||
| Have you ever been around wild pigs? | ||
| I actually have not. | ||
| Man, I was in Tejon Ranch with Rinella, and we were walking down this road, and we were pig hunting, and we got close to these pigs, and they didn't know we were there because there's this really thick brush and grasses, and we heard them fighting. | ||
| And they were... | ||
| Less than 20 yards away. | ||
| And they're going to war. | ||
| And I'm like, these are demons, man. | ||
| They're fucking demons. | ||
| They sound like monsters. | ||
| They sound like something from the Lord of the Rings. | ||
| And they're attacking each other for whatever reason. | ||
| Like, right there. | ||
| I'm like, God, there's fucking creepy things. | ||
| With their giant tusks and their black hair. | ||
| They look like demons. | ||
| And they sound crazy. | ||
| If you hear one, you go, oh, okay. | ||
| That's how the king in the Game of Thrones died. | ||
| Remember? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you ever watch that show? | ||
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No. | |
| How dare you? | ||
| How dare you say no? | ||
| He was killed by a boar, a wild boar. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| Season one. | ||
| That's not what I watch it on. | ||
| Yeah, well, it doesn't matter. | ||
| They don't have to, Doug. | ||
| He dies quick. | ||
| He dies early in the show. | ||
| But he was killed by a wild boar, and that's not uncommon. | ||
| They're big animals, man. | ||
| They get real big. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You're going out there with them? | ||
| You're not going to refute that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, that's... | ||
| They're a very different animal. | ||
| I mean, deer have killed people. | ||
| It has happened. | ||
| Not just car accidents, but they have gored people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It has happened. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's very rare, obviously. | ||
| Usually, they just want to get the fuck away from you. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| But, you know, they're wild. | ||
| They're animals. | ||
| They don't play by our rules. | ||
| And I think we have a real problem in this world with our idea of what an animal is. | ||
| You know, we anthropomorphize these things. | ||
| We think of them the same way we think about our pets. | ||
| When you have a dog and you think of your dog the same way you think of a wild bear, like, boy, they're playing on some fucking completely different fields. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They have a completely different rule book. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we like to think that we're not animals. | ||
| And that kind of disconnects us. | ||
| And that's where the disengagement and the disconnection with our food supply comes from. | ||
| We're above it. | ||
| That's our psyche. | ||
| Well, we're also just not used to being around them. | ||
| Most people are not around wild animals ever, ever. | ||
| The great majority of people that live in cities are virtually never around anything other than pigeons and squirrels. | ||
| They're just not around them. | ||
| So our ideas of wild animals are like these beautiful things that you rarely see. | ||
| Why would you want to kill one? | ||
| Yeah, you know, and the interesting point about squirrels, urban squirrels versus wood squirrels. | ||
| We shot a couple more episodes of Meat Eater that'll be coming out here in the next couple of weeks. | ||
| And we took Helen and Brittany squirrel hunting, and their experience mostly with squirrels was urban. | ||
| And Helen had this, wow, they're way different than urban squirrels. | ||
| They're like not coming down. | ||
| And of course, Brittany was talking about rubbing acorns on her body, and maybe they'll come out and stuff like that. | ||
| But... | ||
| Completely different. | ||
| Wild animals, they're out there making a living. | ||
| They're out there surviving that whole thing. | ||
| They aren't going to react the same way. | ||
| To human beings walk into their woods. | ||
| Well, the animals are pliable. | ||
| They're flexible, just like people are. | ||
| And if you start feeding wild animals, they kind of become domesticated. | ||
| There's a park right down here in North Hollywood. | ||
| You can sit down in the park, and if you bring a bag of peanuts, the squirrels will literally come and take them from your hands like a little baby. | ||
| And it's cool, you know? | ||
| I mean, those are different animals, you know? | ||
| Like the deer in my yard. | ||
| My buddy came over one day, and there was this deer standing there. | ||
| Just standing. | ||
| And he's like, dude, I didn't think that was a real deer. | ||
| I thought you were fucking with me. | ||
| Because he came over to my house. | ||
| We were going to work out, and there's this deer standing there. | ||
| I go, look at that. | ||
| And he goes, what the fuck is that? | ||
| I go, it's a deer. | ||
| He's like, that's a real deer? | ||
| Because he's a buck. | ||
| And he's just standing there looking at us. | ||
| And he goes, okay, would you shoot that buck? | ||
| I go, fuck no. | ||
| That thing might as well be a pet. | ||
| If I was starving, I'd shoot it. | ||
| But that thing is not worried about me at all. | ||
| It has never been attacked by a person. | ||
| It doesn't associate people with danger. | ||
| They're just standing there staring at me. | ||
| You can't kill them. | ||
| You can't kill them. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| You can if you have to survive, but that's not a game animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We have a rule. | ||
| I don't think that you were up by my cabin, but Brian was. | ||
| And my wife said, you know, can you not kill him right here by the cabin? | ||
| You have a rule. | ||
| We have a rule. | ||
| But you had a beaver that you guys killed right there, right? | ||
| Oh, that beaver that we ate? | ||
| No, that was up on a creek not far from there. | ||
| That's okay? | ||
| She allows the beavers to die? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, yeah, she allows the muskrats to die, too, burrow into the dam and cause all kinds of damage. | ||
| Oh, so you want them to die. | ||
| Yeah, you get rid of them because they're causing the issues. | ||
| By the way, how good is that goddamn beaver taste? | ||
| Absolutely, bar none, best wild meat I've ever eaten. | ||
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Really? | |
| It's fantastic. | ||
| Well, the way Rinella cooked it, he braised it and then slow cooked it like a stew. | ||
| And I'm telling you, man, it was like... | ||
| The best beef stew you've ever had in your life. | ||
| Rich and flavorful. | ||
| And again, just like we're talking about with organic beef versus regular corn-fed, this is a wild animal with a wild, natural diet and a real healthy, big, fat beaver. | ||
| So texture-wise, I've ate raccoon. | ||
| It was like beef. | ||
| Raccoon's a whole other ballgame. | ||
| You ate raccoon? | ||
| Well, it's a wild game thing. | ||
| I mean, bear. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| One of the worst things. | ||
| Oh, hell yes. | ||
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What? | |
| Fucking Wisconsin. | ||
| I'm taking the shirt off. | ||
| I noticed there's not a beaver in the middle of it. | ||
| Start a beaver farm. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Sustainable beaver. | ||
| When did you eat a raccoon, man? | ||
| Just at game feeds. | ||
| You know, they do it. | ||
| We have bear feeds like, you know, Packers Bears Weekend. | ||
| They'll have a bear feed at the local tavern. | ||
| And, you know, people bring in all their stuff too. | ||
| Wild game, snake. | ||
| Hold the fuck on. | ||
| First of all, let me just explain to people that are only listening. | ||
| I asked... | ||
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I ask Nate, I go, when have you eaten a raccoon? | |
| And Doug throws his hands up like I'm like, when have you had french fries? | ||
| Like, it's a fucking raccoon, man! | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So, do you have a bear what? | ||
| Well, every once in a while, when it's Packers-Bears, you know, big rivalry. | ||
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You eat a bear? | |
| You know, they'll have a local tavern. | ||
| They'll have Newman's Bar and Grill. | ||
| We'll plug those guys down in Hill Point, you know. | ||
| They've had bear feeds, you know, for the Bears game, you know. | ||
| There's a connection. | ||
| And they'll, you know, people bring other stuff. | ||
| So they'll have a bear feed? | ||
| I've had rattlesnake. | ||
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It's a feed. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| A feed, but you're calling it a feed. | ||
| You know, like a steak feed or a, you know, it's just a, you feed a bunch of people and they sit down and get drunk and eat a bunch of shit. | ||
| Well, how are they cooking the bear? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| Probably roasting it, you know? | ||
| I mean, I've never cooked one, yeah. | ||
| So they just have a gigantic bear that they barbecue. | ||
| Well, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, it's parted up and, you know, that sort of thing. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| Well, bear is real tricky, right? | ||
| You got to make sure that you cook it to the right temperature. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In Wisconsin as well? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| It's everywhere, isn't it? | ||
| Trichinosis? | ||
| It's a concern. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, yeah, it's sort of a Wisconsin tradition. | ||
| I saw your eyes light up when you heard raccoon. | ||
| Game feed. | ||
| I mean, there might be, and it could be bear, it could be... | ||
| Back in the day when there was more, when... | ||
| The raccoon hides were more valuable, and there's an ebb and flow to that market, of course. | ||
| Well, you've got all these hides, and what do you do with the carcasses? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So a certain amount of them are being eaten. | ||
| What does it taste like? | ||
| It's pretty greasy. | ||
| Yeah, it's really greasy. | ||
| Was it a good grease? | ||
| Is it good for you? | ||
| It's one of those things. | ||
| There's a little gaminess to it. | ||
| It's one of those things you've got to get used to it. | ||
| And I don't eat enough bear meat to get used to it. | ||
| I like bear. | ||
| No, I've had bear. | ||
| I'm talking about raccoon. | ||
| Oh, raccoon. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Are you talking about bear or raccoon? | ||
| Oh, I way prefer bear. | ||
| Yeah, raccoon is super gamey. | ||
| It's kind of nutty in a weird way. | ||
| I didn't think that bear was greasy at all. | ||
| Bear, to me, tasted almost like a beef. | ||
| Where did you... | ||
| Alberta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, what's that? | ||
| In Wisconsin, in the Midwest, where there's hunting going on, they're doing a lot of baiting of them with old donuts and stuff like that. | ||
| And I remember Steve talking about... | ||
| I've never... | ||
| I've never bear hunted anywhere. | ||
| How he doesn't like taking spring bears because they're eating old. | ||
| Whatever the timing is of salmon. | ||
| The blueberry bears. | ||
| He loves the blueberry bears because their meat tastes like what they ate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Holy moly! | ||
| That's what we're talking about! | ||
| Isn't that crazy though? | ||
| You know, Rinella's show, have you ever seen that show where you shot... | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I don't watch much TV at all. | ||
| Well, he shot a bear in Alaska in the fall, and it had been just feasting on blueberries. | ||
| And he was saying that this is the best meat bar none in the world. | ||
| Bar none. | ||
| And he was saying that you open this bear up and you smell blueberries. | ||
| And it's like a sweet-tasting meat. | ||
| And it just really... | ||
| I mean, you eat a burger, you don't think about it. | ||
| You drink a soda, you don't think about it. | ||
| But that is your cells. | ||
| You are literally supplying nutrients to your cells, to your food. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when you eat, like, I used to work with this dude who used to drink a lot of carrot juice and his fucking hands turned orange. | ||
| Like, his skin started turning orange because he was eating, like, three or four glasses of carrot juice a day. | ||
| How orange are we talking? | ||
| Orange as fuck. | ||
| Like, weird. | ||
| Like, spray tan. | ||
| Like, Jersey Shore. | ||
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Cheetos. | |
| Cheetos. | ||
| Orange or? | ||
| No, like an orange like a carrot, you know? | ||
| He made a jerk-off motion. | ||
| I don't know why you jerk off with Cheetos. | ||
| I don't know why that was either. | ||
| How do you connect jerking off with Cheetos? | ||
| Well, that's a joke, you know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It is? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Cheetos and jerking off? | ||
| Like, what do you mean? | ||
| Well, it's kind of one of those things, you know. | ||
| Is it like a bear feed? | ||
| Like, you've got to be in Wisconsin to understand it? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You know, Cheetos. | ||
| I give you a bag of Cheetos. | ||
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It's one of our pastimes. | |
| You go in the bathroom and I hear grunting. | ||
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It's one of our pastimes. | |
| I don't know, man. | ||
| There's some stuff about this guy I didn't know before I brought him along. | ||
| Well, Cheetos. | ||
| Forget Cheetos. | ||
| If you're eating Cheetos all day or potato chips or whatever the fuck it is, that is literally supplying your cells. | ||
| And we don't think about it that way. | ||
| We just think about this tastes good. | ||
| I am me. | ||
| I am Doug. | ||
| Doug eats cheeseburger because cheeseburger tastes good. | ||
| But a cheeseburger literally is supplying your body. | ||
| You know, I started this diet recently. | ||
| It's called the Primal Blueprint Diet. | ||
| This guy on the podcast named Mark Sisson, and he is an advocate of no grains. | ||
| No bread, no pasta, no rice, no nothing. | ||
| Mostly fats. | ||
| You get your fats from avocados, from healthy fats, from beef and chicken or whatever the fuck you eat, and coconut oil, things along those lines, MCT oil. | ||
| And I've been on it now for two weeks, and it's pretty fascinating. | ||
| Pretty fascinating. | ||
| First of all, it took me a while to adjust from going on a carbohydrate-based energy to a fat-based energy, getting my energy from fats. | ||
| My body fat's decreased pretty significantly. | ||
| I lost at least six pounds now. | ||
| And I'm eating normal amounts. | ||
| But I'm just eating fat and proteins and a lot of vegetables. | ||
| And no sugars at all. | ||
| None. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| I'm not eating any processed sugar. | ||
| I eat an occasional piece of fruit, blueberries and things along those lines. | ||
| But it's mostly vegetables and meat that I'm eating. | ||
| And a lot of avocados. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| My cells, obviously, are getting nutrients off of this, off of healthy fats. | ||
| And what he found is he had arthritis. | ||
| He also had irritable bowel syndrome. | ||
| Those things went away when he cut grains out of his diet and we stopped eating processed sugar. | ||
| So it was like inflammation type thing. | ||
| Yeah, inflammation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that these healthy fats, like healthy fats for your body, like coconut oil, things along those lines, is really the best fuel for your body. | ||
| And your body gets into a state of ketosis, which takes about two weeks, which I just started getting into. | ||
| I just started getting into the state of ketosis. | ||
| And your body, once it reaches this state of ketosis, gets its energy primarily from fat. | ||
| And it's a more normal, natural way for your body to respond. | ||
| And your body can shift. | ||
| Your body is very flexible. | ||
| It can shift from a glucose-based, carbohydrate-based fuel system to a fat-based fuel system. | ||
| So this is what my body has just started to do. | ||
| And I committed to this. | ||
| I was going to do a month, but I just decided to make it two months. | ||
| So I'm committing to this for two months, and I'm going to talk about it and see what it's like. | ||
| But I'm sold two weeks in. | ||
| I don't like it in the fact that if I go to a restaurant and someone's got spaghetti and meatballs next to me, I'm like, fuck, I can't eat the meatballs. | ||
| Fuck, I can't eat spaghetti. | ||
| Like, I can't eat any sugar, no desserts. | ||
| Does that seem different to you? | ||
| What I mean is when you smell like a carbohydrate like that... | ||
| Like a craving? | ||
| It's all of a sudden, whoa! | ||
| Whereas maybe not so much before? | ||
| No, it's the opposite. | ||
| This is what's really strange about it. | ||
| What they've said, what people have hypothesized and the theories are that your gut bacteria controls a lot of your appetite. | ||
| And this is one of the reasons why I used to be stuffed, like stuffed at the end of a meal and I would still want sugar. | ||
| I'd still want some candy, or I'd still... | ||
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Yeah, right? | |
| That's me, man. | ||
| It's awful, right? | ||
| You still want some pie? | ||
| Oh, bring that fucking pie over there. | ||
| Well, now I don't. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Because of this shift, my body, taking plenty of probiotics, drinking a lot of kombucha, things along those lines, taking some probiotic supplements, you introduce healthy bacteria into your stomach and your gut, and because of that, it shifts what you're hungry for. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| Like, bread to me looks like, why don't you eat stuffing out of a mattress? | ||
| Like, it looks like nonsense to me. | ||
| It's very strange, because I used to see, like, bread. | ||
| Someone bring out, like, a restaurant, nice loaf of bread and butter. | ||
| I'm like, oh, give me that. | ||
| And I'd be all excited, slap some butter on that bitch and eat it up. | ||
| Now I look at him like, that's not even food. | ||
| Like, it doesn't register to me as food. | ||
| In a two-week period of time, you had that thing. | ||
| Two weeks. | ||
| And you were such an unhealthy son of a bitch before that. | ||
| I'm saying, I mean... | ||
| I think part of it must be psychological that I've decided that this isn't food, that I've made a shift in my mind because I'm not eating it. | ||
| I haven't eaten it in two weeks. | ||
| But I think there's a real good argument that it's gut bacteria. | ||
| That's a big part of it. | ||
| Because the sugar, like, they had, like, a dessert tray thing, and they brought it out at a restaurant I was at the other day. | ||
| You know, like, at a fancy place, they bring you, like, would you like this? | ||
| Is this one here and this one here? | ||
| There'll be apropylene and... | ||
| None of it looked good. | ||
| It all looked like nonsense to me. | ||
| Whereas before, I'd be like, what? | ||
| Am I gonna fuck my body? | ||
| I gotta figure this out. | ||
| I gotta take this home with me. | ||
| Very interesting stuff. | ||
| And I wanted to experiment with it because the guy was fascinating. | ||
| He's very intelligent. | ||
| And I said, well, what does it hurt for me to try this out? | ||
| I thought it'd be an interesting topic of discussion to do it for, you know, 60 days or so. | ||
| And then maybe even have him back on or have someone else on that advocates it. | ||
| And I've read people that advocate carbohydrate-rich diets. | ||
| And it seems to me that your body is pretty flexible and your body can exist on a bunch of different types of fuel. | ||
| People get really dogmatic about it. | ||
| You have to do it this way. | ||
| You have to do it that way. | ||
| I think there's also biodiversity. | ||
| Different people come from different climates. | ||
| They come from different parts of the world originally. | ||
| Their ancestors did. | ||
| I think their bodies have become more acclimated to those types of foods. | ||
| That was the big issue with Native Americans when the Europeans showed up with alcohol. | ||
| They literally didn't have the genes to process this stuff. | ||
| Whereas Irish people process that shit like that, you know? | ||
| It's interesting that you said that about probiotics because I've been taking a probiotic for about 18 months now. | ||
| All the places where I got this advice was from my accountant. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a buddy? | ||
| Or he's like, I went over your taxes and what you need is... | ||
| No, it's one of her clients, but I had been sick, and she said something about probiotics. | ||
| And honest to God, 18 months, I've been taking a probiotic every morning, and I haven't done anything else different, but I've been... | ||
| Not necessarily healthier, but less ill. | ||
| Not ill at all, really. | ||
| There's an article I read once about skin flora, and it was in regards to grappling. | ||
| Because with jiu-jitsu and with wrestling, a big issue is ringworm and even staph infection. | ||
| I've gotten both. | ||
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| Yeah, man, it sucks. | ||
| The staph was real scary because my friend Tate Fletcher spotted it. | ||
| We were at an airport, and we were hanging out. | ||
| Get ready to go on a plane, and I just had my foot sitting up on my knee, and he was looking at the bottom of my calf. | ||
| And he goes, hey man, what's going on with your leg? | ||
| I go, what? | ||
| He's like, what's all this? | ||
| I go, what is it? | ||
| It's like these little pimples on my leg. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know. | ||
| He goes, dude, that looks like staff. | ||
| I go, are you serious? | ||
| And he goes, yeah, I don't like that, man. | ||
| Go get that checked out. | ||
| Because he, you know... | ||
| He fought, has been grappling his whole life, and he had caught it before. | ||
| I had never caught it. | ||
| I had caught ringworm before, and I knew what that looked like. | ||
| And so I was like, this is fucking pimples. | ||
| Like, what is it? | ||
| He's like, I'm telling you, I think that's staph. | ||
| So I go immediately to a dermatologist, take his advice, and the guy goes, yup. | ||
| Get on some fucking antibiotics. | ||
| He gives me these horse pills of death. | ||
| This stuff's awful. | ||
| First of all, antibiotics, when you have staph, wrecks your entire system. | ||
| Because it doesn't just kill the staff. | ||
| It kills all the healthy flora, too. | ||
| So what they say to counter that is to take probiotics once you're done with your whole cycle, but also to prevent it in the future. | ||
| You take healthy bacteria, like a lot of acidophilus, different forms of probiotics, and you are essentially giving your body soldiers to fight off infection. | ||
| And the skin flora changes when you take high doses of healthy acidophilus and things along those lines. | ||
| It's also for people that are vegan, there's some different probiotics like raw sauerkraut. | ||
| Raw sauerkraut is really good. | ||
| Kimchi is another one that's really good. | ||
| Fantastic probiotic. | ||
| You're essentially taking in live organisms that become a part of your body, and they're soldiers. | ||
| And these live organisms fight off against shitty bacteria. | ||
| It's amazing stuff. | ||
| Well, part of the reason I was convinced, other than I get my medical advice, is in the other work that I do, I build and manage athletic fields. | ||
| And there's a huge movement to go towards organic... | ||
| cultural practices in, um, on athletic fields. | ||
| You know, this one facility that I manage, um, before every tournament, we'll get emails and calls from parents who are bringing their eight year old and say, well, we're coming in from wherever. | ||
| And we want, would like to know what's been applied to your fields. | ||
| My son or daughter has a issue with herbicide intolerance or whatever. | ||
| And I'm real, I take that shit really seriously. | ||
| Um, we started using, um, compost from, uh, both a facility, uh, nearby from the County, but also from a supplier and applying that as a part of our, um, our regime. | ||
| Um, We were able to cut back on fertilizer and the other thing that was really interesting is that A lot of the pathogens that we have issue with, and you see them on golf courses, they get different kinds of fungus that affect the grass because you're putting water on it and you're feeding the shit out of it. | ||
| And by putting that compost on there and providing Essentially, the organisms that are good for the soil, we're feeding the soil, not the plant, which synthetic nitrogen does. | ||
| And so what ends up happening is we're feeding that soil, and so now we've got a whole environment there that that turf grass has got an opportunity to utilize everything that's in that soil, and it's healthier. | ||
| We're kind of going the other way. | ||
| We're going the other direction in everything from farming to growing grass for kids to play soccer on. | ||
| Well, I know a guy who lived near a golf course growing up, and the pesticides that they used on the golf course infected the water supply, and he got bone cancer and cancer throughout his neighborhood. | ||
| Everyone in his neighborhood was affected. | ||
| Someone they knew got cancer. | ||
| It was rampant. | ||
| And it was just people that were drinking the water that came from this area where it had been contaminated because of a fucking golf course. | ||
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| Leaching in. | ||
| And the one company that I work with has been part of a construction of a golf course that from day one was, and it's actually certified organic, but it's been a part of their process all the way along. | ||
| And they control the amount of traffic on it and all of those sort of things too, but it's a beautiful golf course. | ||
| And they haven't used any pesticides or synthetic fertilizers on it. | ||
| One of the things that they had brought up in that same article about organic meat being healthier was the incorporation of clover in with grass and that somehow or another clover helps sustain a nitrogen balance with the grasses. | ||
| Clover is a nitrogen-fixing plant. | ||
| In a pasture, we introduce clover into our pastures. | ||
| It fixes nitrogen into the soil that's then available for the grasses and white clovers and a lot of the things that I actually plant in some of the food plot stuff that we do for wildlife. | ||
| For deer, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, for deer. | ||
| It's sweet, it tastes good, and it's also providing nitrogen to the plants that need it. | ||
| And that's a big problem with things like gigantic fields of only grain, of only corn, or of only wheat. | ||
| It's not natural for one plant species to be... | ||
| Monoculture. | ||
| Yeah, that's not normal, right? | ||
| That's not natural. | ||
| And it's kind of like what you were talking about when you were talking about these really interesting, diverse ecosystems that are created by these organic farms, like this one that you were highlighting earlier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it is. | ||
| It's a complete ecosystem. | ||
| It's a closed circle. | ||
| That's how it's supposed to be. | ||
| Well, the thing that gets me is that, you know, this Mark Shepard, I mean, I've just paged through it. | ||
| You know, Doug's read more of it than I have. | ||
| But, I mean, you look at this and you read it and it makes sense and you're like, wow, this guy's a genius. | ||
| But then you think about, like, ancient civilizations were doing things along these lines. | ||
| Where did we lose that? | ||
| Where did that go away? | ||
| Well, it seems like we lost it with this factory farming, and we also lost it when we started putting people in cities. | ||
| I think cities are a real big part of our disconnect, and also awesome. | ||
| I love cities. | ||
| I love to be able to go to the movies. | ||
| Yeah, I like getting on the highway. | ||
| Like the guy you mentioned... | ||
| The guy you mentioned, Joel, that grows this shit on the mediums. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was Ron Finley. | ||
| You've heard of Joel Salatin? | ||
| He's been on the podcast. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, he's awesome. | ||
| I was going to reference him. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He's got some amazing books. | ||
| He's got a lot of books on the third. | ||
| Interesting strategy for letting pigs and all these different animals graze. | ||
| What he does is he sets up this perimeter fence, this large, mildly charged fence. | ||
| So if they go to it, it irritates them so they don't run over the fence. | ||
| And then he moves it. | ||
| He moves the fence and they graze in a new area. | ||
| So they don't just destroy. | ||
| Rotational grazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're living as if they were wild. | ||
| They're essentially grazing off acorns, things along those lines, and just giant areas where they roam and forage, and they eat just like a wild pig, and because of that, their flesh is very different. | ||
| That's what you got in your freezer now, dude. | ||
| Well, this is elk, but I have a wild pig in my freezer at home. | ||
| From us, that we brought you. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You have pig? | ||
| Yeah, we pasture them. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, that's the way to do it. | ||
| I mean, it's a different kind of meat. | ||
| It looks different, you know? | ||
| I mean, it has a deeper, darker, richer color. | ||
| And that's one of the things that I noticed when we shot, when Ronella and I shot a pig at the Tojon Ranch. | ||
| It was thick with fat from acorns and its texture. | ||
| The meat was like a dark red and it was delicious. | ||
| It's a different animal. | ||
| Isn't it interesting, like with beef, I still eat the occasional beef that I might not know where it came from. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not very often, but there's one place, one restaurant nearby our place that I go to, and he finishes his beef with corn, but it's mostly grass-fed, but he's still sort of old school. | ||
| And he does that to marble it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I taste the difference between, of course, you taste the difference between venison, because really, again, I don't have this wide experience of hunting in different areas and having meat from different areas, so I am excited about your elk. | ||
| So the venison to grass-fed beef to corn-fed beef. | ||
| Um, and it's been a long time since I've had something that I, like I said, where I didn't know where it came from, but I can tell you when it was, when it was, uh, fat cattle, they call them. | ||
| Um, I feel like after I get done eating a piece of meat like that, like I have a little prime rib or something when I go out on a Saturday night, I feel like I should take a knife and like scrape that fat off my tongue. | ||
| It just has a completely different taste and I just, I'm not interested in it anymore. | ||
| And so my, you know, taste has changed that way. | ||
| Um, It's very tender, but it's also because that animal's dying. | ||
| That animal, you're eating a sumo wrestler. | ||
| You're eating a slob. | ||
| What's that, where they massage them? | ||
| Yeah, Kobe beef. | ||
| Or Wagyu. | ||
| It's the more common. | ||
| Is that how you say it? | ||
| Wagyu. | ||
| I don't like that stuff, man. | ||
| I've had it before. | ||
| It's okay, but it's so fucking soft and weird. | ||
| It's like, how the fuck is this muscle carrying this animal around? | ||
| It's gelatinous. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I'll take it to even more of an extreme, and that is veal. | ||
| Down the road from our old friend who had the issue with us when we were hunting, and he would call and leave me those crazy messages. | ||
| Before he owned that place, it was owned by another guy who raised veal. | ||
| And when I was younger, I helped out up there once in a while. | ||
| And how you helped out was to help him load the veal. | ||
| Those animals are in a cage where they essentially can't, or a box where they can barely turn around. | ||
| And they're being fed, you know, a milk replacer, a powdery that you mix with water and it's kind of a liquid and that's all they're getting. | ||
| And the best looking veal calves were the last animal I ever wanted to eat. | ||
| And it smelled bad. | ||
| There was nothing good about it. | ||
| The mussels aren't developed. | ||
| They don't want them to develop. | ||
| It's a crazy thing. | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| I don't understand how it got started, and I don't understand why people keep eating it. | ||
| Well, people eat lutefisk. | ||
| I mean, that's weird. | ||
| Lutefisk? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| I thought you were saying ludicrous. | ||
| I was like, what did he do wrong? | ||
| Fish and, what is it, lye? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, it's a Norwegian thing. | ||
| It's a survival thing. | ||
| The Vikings did it on ships and stuff, but people still, it's more, it's a tradition thing, but it's literally soaked in lye. | ||
| Oh, so it's like a way of preserving it? | ||
| It's lye? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it... | ||
| But isn't lye poisonous? | ||
| This is real. | ||
| What in the fuck is this? | ||
| And it's weird. | ||
| I mean, you want to talk gelatinous, dude. | ||
| My friend Lauren Hanson is standing up with his hands in the air right now. | ||
| Why is he the shit? | ||
| Oh, Norwegians are awesome. | ||
| I just gotta say that. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Pairing wines with lutefisk. | ||
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Oh god, it looks like jizz. | |
| Look at it. | ||
| It's like slime. | ||
| It's like snail slime. | ||
| I've never had veal, but I've had this. | ||
| What is it like? | ||
| What is this like? | ||
| Yeah, but this is just a way of preserving. | ||
| Well, it was something they did to survive. | ||
| Yeah, and it's just tradition now, but people do it. | ||
| What does it taste like? | ||
| I can't even describe it. | ||
| I think I blocked it on my mind. | ||
| Is that bad? | ||
| In the Norwegian areas of Wisconsin, they have these dinners, you know, lutefisk dinners for fundraisers and such, but they also have other things. | ||
| My whole thing was, out of respect, I'd take a bite of lutefisk, and then I wash that down with some Swedish meatballs and lefse, and just get it out of your mouth. | ||
| It's one of those things. | ||
| What's the other thing? | ||
| You wash it down with Swedish meatballs and what? | ||
| Lefse, it's like a little, isn't it a potato bread type, almost like a tortilla. | ||
| It's like a Norwegian tortilla. | ||
| Is this a obscure food show here? | ||
| You guys are eating raccoons and fucking ludicrous. | ||
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Ludicrous. | |
| Smelt feeds? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A smelt feed. | ||
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| Little itty bitty fish. | ||
| They're like little tiny fish you scoop up in giant nets, right? | ||
| Deep fry them. | ||
| Deep fry them, yeah. | ||
| You eat the whole thing, right? | ||
| Guts and all. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| What is that like? | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I mean, our wrestling club... | ||
| Oh, not so good. | ||
| Says Doug. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| It's not the favorite thing, but I mean... | ||
| It's not? | ||
| You fry anything, and it's pretty good, you know? | ||
| Oh, deep fry, like bread and all that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess they do. | ||
| Tartar sauce. | ||
| You put a dozen of them on a bun and, you know, chow down. | ||
| Make some money for the wrestling club. | ||
| Well, you gotta do what you gotta do if you're hungry. | ||
| There's a TV show, I think, in Public Television. | ||
| How do you get some money from the wrestling club? | ||
| How do you make this connection? | ||
| It's a fundraiser. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
| That's how we make money. | ||
| We have feeds. | ||
| Lutefisk feeds. | ||
| Steak feeds. | ||
| Bear feeds. | ||
| Not real creative when it comes to raising money, I guess. | ||
| Although we have the Cazenovia. | ||
| This is one plug I do want to put. | ||
| The Cazenovia Turkey Busters Fishery coming up this weekend. | ||
| A Turkey Busters Fishery? | ||
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What? | |
| What is a turkey buster? | ||
| Well, it's a sportsman's club. | ||
| I don't think we have a website or anything, so I wouldn't look it up. | ||
| So it's a sportsman's club. | ||
| And in Cazenovia, which is 250 people, it's sort of the Lions Club, the Knights of Columbus, the... | ||
| You know, the rotary, it's everybody put together, and it's just this group of dudes who are really into turkey hunting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They call themselves the turkey busters? | ||
| Turkey busters, yeah. | ||
| And why do we have a fishery? | ||
| Well, we have this little lake, Lee Lake, there in Cazenovia, and one of the things that we do with the money that we raise is stock it with walleyes and other game fish. | ||
| So one of the things that we do is have this fishery which is on the ice. | ||
| So it's essentially an ice fishing tournament would be the wrong word. | ||
| Although there are prizes for like the biggest bluegill and the biggest bass and that kind of thing. | ||
| But mostly it's a thing where people come to and you have raffles and It's the social event of the season in Cazenovia. | ||
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Really? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Just FYI, Doug, they are online, but all they have is... | ||
| They are? | ||
| All they have is the phone number. | ||
| And contact... | ||
| This is at Cazenovia Memorial Park. | ||
| Contact Chuck Keller. | ||
| Don't put the number online. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Whatever you do, we've already said too much. | ||
| If they have a website, they're getting dick pics right now sent to them as you speak. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so those are different ways that... | ||
| And some of the stuff that we've also done is donated, bought and donated, like Hoyt Archery Bows or Matthews Bows to the school's physical education program. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
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| Yeah, that's awesome that they still do that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's very cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is a little organization of a bunch of guys who get together once or... | ||
| It depends on the time of the year, once or twice a month and... | ||
| Well, there's certainly a benefit to having a small community like that where everybody really does care about the welfare of the community and cares about all these different things like wrestling team needing money for uniforms and things along those lines. | ||
| We lose a lot of that when you have big cities. | ||
| There's so much to gain in a big city, but there's so much to lose, too. | ||
| It's like we were talking earlier about the diffusion of responsibility that you have when there's 20 million people. | ||
| You see somebody with their fucking car broken down the side of the road. | ||
| I don't even think about stopping. | ||
| I'm like, I hope this asshole is triple A. You know? | ||
| Passed by. | ||
| But if you're on some country road and you see someone broken down, you think one of two things. | ||
| I hope this guy's not a serial killer and I should probably try to help him. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Those are the two things to think. | ||
| And the other thing out in our territory when you're driving or in our area when you're driving around is you wave to everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so you're driving on. | ||
| It might not be putting your hand up like this or anything, but at least you're driving on. | ||
| Give a little nod. | ||
| And you go like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's just the one thing. | ||
| Well, that's nice, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| That is definitely missing on the highway, because otherwise you'd be fucking... | ||
| Yeah, you still get the one-finger sign out on the highway around here, but... | ||
| You're fucking waving at everybody to pass you. | ||
| Your hands would break, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's a... | ||
| Cities are weird. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, it's all weird, isn't it? | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| People are weird, but cities are especially weird because I don't think this is a normal thing. | ||
| We've only had them for the last couple hundred years in this sort of magnitude that we have now, like with New York and LA and things along those lines, just to have so many people jammed into an area like this. | ||
| And as we started this conversation, have a complete disconnect as to where your food comes from and that the food is coming from life. | ||
| Whether it's plant life or whether it's animal life, your food comes from life. | ||
| Life eats life, and that is reality. | ||
| Yeah, Jack London. | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| Yeah, it's what, the sea wolf? | ||
| We were just talking about this, yeah. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Well, this character is this old pirate in this book called the Sea Wolf. | ||
| I knew he was going to get a pirate in this conversation. | ||
| Are you a fan of pirates? | ||
| Yeah, who isn't, man? | ||
| Pirates are awesome. | ||
| But, I mean, maybe not the new-age ones, the Somalis or whatever. | ||
| Oh, yeah, they're a little different. | ||
| But, you know, those are not without my sympathy as well. | ||
| Yeah, oh, no, everybody's got an agenda, and everybody's got a reason to fight, you know. | ||
| Well, they have a very—we'll get into that in a minute. | ||
| This specific pirate, his whole—you know, he's a loner, and his whole thing in the conversation throughout the book is he talks about it as a yeast. | ||
| You know, life eats life, and his whole contention is— What the fuck matters? | ||
| Life eats life. | ||
| I mean, you could make an argument like, you're gonna be dead, you're gonna be dead, you're gonna be dead. | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| Who gives a fuck what happens? | ||
| You know, I mean, that's not a very nice way to look at things, you know, but it is, it's, I mean, it's a fact, you know? | ||
| It is a fact, but also, this moment right now is enjoyable. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| You know, I have a problem with that sort of absolute, sort of, you know, worrying about the end. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| How about the moment is enjoyable? | ||
| Nothing else at all. | ||
| Camaraderie and friendship and a good meal with friends is one of the best things you can have in life. | ||
| Adventures and things that you enjoy, activities that you like to participate in, those are very enjoyable. | ||
| And I think that's what life is about. | ||
| Life is about these friendships and these enjoyable moments that we have with each other. | ||
| So there's absolute ideas that people have, but what is the point, man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all going to end, man. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| You could look at it that way. | ||
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| I was like, what's the point in playing the game? | ||
| The game's going to be over one day. | ||
| Do you not enjoy the fucking game? | ||
| Enjoy the game, man. | ||
| These are some of those kids we saw sitting on the steps today. | ||
| You know, just sitting there. | ||
| Oh, in Hollywood? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're poisoned. | ||
| These poor fucks. | ||
| They're poisoned by the brake dust that's fucking flowing through the air everywhere. | ||
| That shit's terrible for you. | ||
| There's definitely different smells out here, man. | ||
| Fucking brake dust is terrible. | ||
| It's one of the one things that people don't talk about, about living in urban environments. | ||
| You go to your car, you know that shit if you have a wheel and you see that stuff on the outside of your wheel? | ||
| You're breathing that. | ||
| You're breathing that everywhere, especially if you live in New York or if you live in LA and there's constant traffic going by you. | ||
| Every time they hit the brakes, a little bit of fucking dust gets up in the air. | ||
| And that stuff, you're dealing with millions and millions of cars. | ||
| This stuff permeates the environment. | ||
| It's terrible for you. | ||
| The Voluntary Coast Guard of Somalia, that's what the pirates called themselves. | ||
| The reason why they started doing pirating in Somalia is because they were fishermen. | ||
| They were fishermen and these assholes from Europe and Russia were dumping toxic waste off their shores. | ||
| Nuclear waste, toxic chemical waste, and it was killing all the fish. | ||
| So what they started doing was kidnapping the people that were in the boats that were doing the dumping. | ||
| So these fishermen who were fucking starving to death, because all of a sudden their waters were polluted, they started going after these guys and kidnapping them. | ||
| Then they realized, hey, we get way more fucking money from kidnapping people than we do from fishing. | ||
| They became pirates. | ||
| And so they also started taking this stuff called CAT. And this is a narcotic. | ||
| It's a stimulant that they take. | ||
| It's like a plant that they chew, and it's like a fucking meth-type plant. | ||
| I don't know the exact... | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| I think it's K-H-A-T, but it's a stimulant that they chew all the time. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why these people are so... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Cat to be banned in the U.K. You see, like, this guy's eating, chewing on these leaves. | ||
| And it produces... | ||
| Pull up a website or a web description instead of an image. | ||
| And it'll find out what is the actual... | ||
| Go to all set of images. | ||
| Look at the guy's jaw. | ||
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He's got a big lead chew in there. | |
| Yeah, this is... | ||
| Oh, I've seen in that movie Captain Phillips. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this stuff is... | ||
| It's a drug. | ||
| And these people take it. | ||
| It's an alkaloid. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| It's an amphetamine. | ||
| Amphetamine-like stimulant, which is said to cause excitement, loss of appetite, and euphoria. | ||
| And so these guys take this, they get jacked on this cat, K-H-A-T, and they would go out and fucking kidnap people. | ||
| Well, that's the thing, too. | ||
| You know, I mean, my initial reaction when I said, except Somali pirates, I mean, that's how we tell history is from, you know, Captain Phillips' side. | ||
| You know, and that's like the Howard Zinn thing. | ||
| Howard Zinn tells it from the other side. | ||
| You know, so let me retract that. | ||
| I like Somali pirates a little bit, too. | ||
| Everybody's got to... | ||
| You know, they've got a reason to fight. | ||
| They got fucked. | ||
| For the longest time, they were incredibly peaceful people. | ||
| Somalians were very peaceful. | ||
| They, you know, they weren't out there robbing and trying to jack people. | ||
| They were fishermen. | ||
| And when the Europeans started dumping that stuff off their shores, they had to take a new approach. | ||
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They had to adjust. | |
| Adapt, improvise, overcome. | ||
| Yeah, but again, where's that coming from? | ||
| Coming from, you know, large-scale human beings living in these giant civilizations creating waste they don't know what to do with. | ||
| So some dickhole decides to dump it off the coast of Africa because they don't have any say in the matter. | ||
| You know, they didn't want to dump it in the London Bay. | ||
| In the backyard. | ||
| Yeah, so they decided to... | ||
| We do that here, too. | ||
| Does London have a bay? | ||
| Did I make that? | ||
| They loosened standards so that... | ||
| Companies can put more in. | ||
| Well, that's a big deal with New York City as well. | ||
| The Hudson River is a fucking deserted wasteland. | ||
| It was at one point in time. | ||
| They're dredging it up now and starting to clean it and trying to really impose very strict regulations on... | ||
| The amount of waste that gets in it. | ||
| And these large animal facilities, same thing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Where do we put this stuff? | ||
| And you see these trucks going up and down, these big tank trucks full of shit. | ||
| And they have to haul it really far because they don't have enough... | ||
| They're renting land all over, so they're hauling it. | ||
| That was a big issue in our area is the weight on the roads. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so then, you know, and the farmers, you know... | ||
| They didn't want to be taxed or anything, so I believe there's a compromise where it wasn't a road tax, but they made them have another axle so it spread the weight out and wasn't tearing the hell out of the roads. | ||
| Oh, so the actual physical weight on the road. | ||
| Is that why they go to a weigh station? | ||
| Oh, these giant tankers do it. | ||
| I always wondered why they weigh them. | ||
| Well, out in our neck of the woods, again, a lot of the roads were just gravel roads, and then over time they did this thing called tar and chip. | ||
| So a gravel road is not built, you know, doesn't have any particular engineering, well, I suppose it has some engineering standards, but not. | ||
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Flat as possible, yeah. | |
| There aren't any engineering standards, but gravel roads are a bitch to keep up. | ||
| So they started to tar and chip them. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Poor man's blacktop. | ||
| Or asphalt. | ||
| So you put this tar down and then go over the top of it. | ||
| With pea gravel type thing. | ||
| With pea gravel stuff and it all binds together. | ||
| And then over time people keep driving on it and over time it actually seals it up. | ||
| And if you're just driving over it with cars and pickup trucks, it's okay. | ||
| But now here comes... | ||
| You know, a big tanker truck or a big tanker behind a monster tractor, and it's breaking down the sides of the roads, and it ends up being an issue for us. | ||
| And as Nate said, they're having to haul this stuff further and further, because you can only put so much shit on so much ground, and the shit that they are putting out there is... | ||
| You know, it's liquid manure that's going into these tanks or into these whole facilities. | ||
| Liquid manure? | ||
| Liquid manure. | ||
| Oh, it's nuts. | ||
| I just found a new way to torture terrorists. | ||
| And there's a double standard with it. | ||
| So you've got this massive amount of liquid manure, you know, and they're not going to store it, they're not going to compost it or anything like that. | ||
| So, like, right now, we've got a nice snowpack, 12 inches, and they're sprinted on top of the snow. | ||
| And just to illustrate the double standard, I got family that is in the septic business. | ||
| So if they go out, if they spread this shit on a certain slope... | ||
| Human shit. | ||
| Human shit. | ||
| From like holding tanks or pumping out? | ||
| They spread it on the snow? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, see, here's the thing, though. | ||
| They spread it on the snow, and if they do it over... | ||
| I love you. | ||
| If they do it over... | ||
| He said that because Jamie just pulled up liquid manure spreaders and toolbars for the people that are listening and not watching. | ||
| And see how they've added axles? | ||
| That's a new thing. | ||
| They used to have one axle, and it was just too much on the road. | ||
| So a septic dude, he goes out there to get rid of this human shit, and if he does it on a certain grade, he'll get a giant fine from the DNR. But a farmer... | ||
| Goes out and does it, and it's a, you know, so... | ||
| Human shit? | ||
| A farmer can dump human shit? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| A farmer can go dump cow shit. | ||
| And the thing is, you know, in the end, I mean, shit is shit is shit, you know? | ||
| No, but it's not, though, right? | ||
| Because cow shit is just they're eating grass. | ||
| So, like, manure... | ||
| Not in those facilities, they're not. | ||
| They're eating... | ||
| Oh, okay, right. | ||
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They're eating... | |
| So, you know, obviously, when the snow melts, you know, a lot of that shit is going into the stream. | ||
| So, like, where Doug and I... We really value our shit. | ||
| We keep it, we compost it, we turn it into something with value. | ||
| That's a waste. | ||
| It's going into the water and polluting, and it's a waste of money. | ||
| Did you ever see the drone footage they did of this pig farm? | ||
| I've seen some. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| First of all, I think something that you would probably agree with and I agree with and those people in the Cowspiracy documentary certainly agree with is that there's something evil about these ag-gag laws. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is crazy shit where you're not supposed to film atrocities that are being committed in these factory farms. | ||
| Well, this guy got a drone and he flew it over this pig farm and they have a goddamn lake of pig shit and piss. | ||
| It is gigantic and they have these These things where the pigs live. | ||
| These cages. | ||
| And then here's a guy. | ||
| He's gonna do it right here. | ||
| He's... | ||
| For people that want it... | ||
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Jeez! | |
| Spy drone exposes Smithfield Foods... | ||
| Say that up. | ||
| Put that up. | ||
| Smithfield Foods Factory Farms. | ||
| So spy drones expose Smithfield Foods Factory Farms. | ||
| The lagoon is a good word because it sounds dirty. | ||
| The lake of pig shit and piss and whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a red color. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| And look at these, I mean, imagine how many animals are in one of those sheds, and they don't see sunlight, you know? | ||
| It's fucked. | ||
| It's fucked. | ||
| It's not, it's not, it's not human. | ||
| It's not humane. | ||
| It's not ethical. | ||
| It's not right. | ||
| But to bring it all home, alright? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| The lagoon. | ||
| Look at that color. | ||
| Does it just sit there? | ||
| Do they ever do anything with it? | ||
| Or does it just sit there and bubble, bubble, bubble? | ||
| What did you say, James? | ||
| They spray it around the house so it's going to try to find a picture of the thing. | ||
| Oh, and the person, and they talk to the neighbor? | ||
| They spray it in the air? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It gets in the air and goes into people's houses and I think some of the neighbors are saying it gets in their house and they can't even breathe and they need to leave the area. | ||
| There's a fear factor thing. | ||
| Can we hear this guy? | ||
| Let me hear this guy. | ||
| Former pig factory owner. | ||
| Let me hear this guy. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It sounds not up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Come on, Dolan Webb. | ||
| Something wrong? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's no sound? | ||
| Well, you can just see the way it's moving within the facility there, too. | ||
| Oh, there's an issue with the computer. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
| And it's when, all of a sudden, these things don't get treated like a life, they get treated like a commodity. | ||
| I guess there's levels, right? | ||
| To people that are vegans, they would say, well, any animal that you would be willing to raise and then ship off and sell, like, why are you any better than this guy who's got these things stuffed into this thing? | ||
| I mean, yeah, your animals are living a normal life, but then eventually you're going to kill them anyway. | ||
| You know, whereas... | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| And I have a friend who's a vegan, and in fact, one of my heifer calves is named after her. | ||
| And she's honored by that, actually, because she knows that that one's never going to be, or probably won't be, butchered. | ||
| Probably is a good word. | ||
| Probably won't be butchered, unless she gets a prolapsed cervix or something like that. | ||
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But... | |
| So if your pussy's broken, you're done for. | ||
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Cows. | |
| Cows, yeah. | ||
| You've got to be specific there, Joel. | ||
| So to say that there's not a difference is just not paying attention. | ||
| But no, I mean, if that's what the argument is, then you're not paying attention, and we can't have a conversation about it. | ||
| I just think they think that the ultimate goal at the end is definitely death, or the ultimate result for these animals. | ||
| The ultimate goal is life. | ||
| Well, I mean, these same people don't want you to be shooting wild animals either. | ||
| Well, even wolves, which is hilarious. | ||
| The wolf one is hilarious because there's so much ignorance involved in people's idea of what a wolf is and why. | ||
| There's so many folk tales and stories that involve bad wolves killing people. | ||
| I just read this. | ||
| Two wolves, I believe it was Idaho. | ||
| We can check in if we want to. | ||
| Two wolves killed 176 sheep or something like that in one night. | ||
| Oh yeah, for fun. | ||
| Well, that's the thing that wolves do, and then they're having a real big problem with this in Yellowstone and a lot of places that have elk, is that they don't kill, like a cat will kill a wolf, or a cat will kill an elk, rather, and he will eat that elk for a long period of time. | ||
| He'll bury it, and he'll eat it, and a wolf kills it, eats a little bit, and then kills another one, and then kills another one, and kills another one, and they do whatever the fuck they want. | ||
| And one of these guys that I know at Hoyt was telling me about this wolf that had killed this cow. | ||
| And the way it did it was it attacked the cow elk, attacked it, tore its guts apart, and then backed off and just watched and sat. | ||
| And watched this thing struggle and tried to walk away and tried to walk into this river. | ||
| Try to get away and then go after it again and tear it apart a little bit more and then back off again. | ||
| They do it for fun and it's what they're designed for. | ||
| They're killing machines and they enjoy it. | ||
| They're beautiful and I'm not saying that they're evil and we should kill them. | ||
| All and eradicate them from the face of the world, but there's something strange about that kind of animal. | ||
| They're not environmentalists, they're not conservationists, they're fucking wolves. | ||
| And wolves are dangerous. | ||
| They have an essential place in a very diverse ecosystem, but the top of the food chain is fucking human beings, period. | ||
| And when human beings decide, you know what? | ||
| There's too many of these goddamn wolves that are killing 100-plus sheep in a night, or my friend... | ||
| Mike Hawkridge, who lives up in BC, his neighbor, their fucking cow got taken out. | ||
| A cow got taken out by wolves. | ||
| In BC, where he lives, there's no tag limit for wolves. | ||
| You can shoot as many as you want. | ||
| You can shoot wolves. | ||
| It could be your hobby. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I go bowling. | ||
| I shoot wolves. | ||
| They're fucking trying to take out as many wolves as they can. | ||
| When we were talking about coyotes before, and personally, I don't, you know, I've shot a few coyotes in my day. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| And, yeah. | ||
| But it's not something I go out and pursue, you know, necessarily. | ||
| It's more opportunistic or whatever. | ||
| He's fucking with Roadrunner, and you've got to take him out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| - Anvil. Acme. - Doug's just like . - And it's sort of like the deer thing when I was listening to various arguments about deer. | ||
| One of the reasons we have so many deer in Wisconsin and in other agricultural areas is because of agriculture. | ||
| And they are highly adaptive. | ||
| Yes, and that's a really big point because they're not even essentially wild. | ||
| They're really kind of like a farm animal in a lot of ways. | ||
| And it was one of the things that Steve brought up on the show that we talked about. | ||
| I don't know if it ever made the air. | ||
| Did that make the air? | ||
| We were just talking about how these animals are essentially, in a lot of ways, they're like a livestock almost. | ||
| Non-fenced in. | ||
| Oh yeah, you saw the trail camera pictures that I sent you of different deer that I had, different bucks on things. | ||
| Well, you're not going to see that out in Of course. | ||
| Idaho or Utah or whatever. | ||
| Well, maybe you do, but... | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Well, they're very different than the mule deer that we were talking about before, the show star that Rinella killed, that was on a show recently, which is enormous, beautiful, majestic, public land mule deer that he killed. | ||
| Mule deer, they've found, will travel 150 miles during a season. | ||
| They really migrate in... | ||
| And again, probably for a lot of the same reasons, because they have to. | ||
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For food, yeah. | |
| For food and for whatever, whereas... | ||
| An older a deer gets in our area, at least my experience has been, so the older a deer gets in our area, the less it moves. | ||
| So if you have a buck that you're managing four bigger bucks and you start seeing one that maybe has a distinctive antler or something, so you can tell it from other ones... | ||
| You'll begin to realize, you know that great big one that I shot? | ||
| I saw that deer for two years. | ||
| He lived in about a 40-acre area. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| You're just waiting for him to slip up. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| There's a lot of these hunting shows where they name the deers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, they'll call this one... | ||
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Megabug. | |
| Yeah, you know, Old Forky and, you know, whatever. | ||
| And they'll have names for these animals and they'll target them. | ||
| We're looking for Lucky. | ||
| We're trying to get Lucky. | ||
| You know, and they'll have these shows. | ||
| And, like, this is so bizarre because it's in a lot of ways you're, like, kind of farming because they have these gigantic pastures that they call food plots. | ||
| So what they'll do is they'll plow the land and they'll grow a lot of clover, a lot of different types, alfalfa, different things that they know. | ||
| Recipes, yeah. | ||
| Deers will eat. | ||
| Deers? | ||
| No, deer. | ||
| And so then they set up a tree stand and whack them out. | ||
| Yeah, and I do it too. | ||
| I mean, part of what I do in my land management service for people is to help their property become more wildlife friendly. | ||
| One of the things that I try to push to people is that when we're doing things like timber stand improvement or invasive species management or providing wildlife food plots, we're planting wildlife food plots, just not deer food plots. | ||
| And a lot of those guys, you know, what I really want is deer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you need it all. | ||
| Yeah, and what's good for deer is generally good for a whole host of wildlife. | ||
| So it's a little bit different, but yeah, no, I know what you mean. | ||
| I tend to name them afterwards, like that big one that I killed. | ||
| You know, we called him the standard, because it's the standard by which I'll, after this, will be judged, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean, that part of the relationship is... | ||
| Complicated. | ||
| Complicated. | ||
| Man, it is complicated. | ||
| But like all things involving life, they become complicated. | ||
| It's not simple. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can I talk about Meat Eater a little bit? | ||
| Yeah, please. | ||
| So we shot, starting this Thursday, there'll be three episodes in a row that were shot on the farm. | ||
| The first one's actually Steve taking apart a couple of the deer that he finally shot a couple of deer on our place, and technically he'll say something else, but during our hunt he killed two deer. | ||
| But he took them apart, so it's a really informative episode about The different kinds of cuts. | ||
| Well, one, how to just do it. | ||
| And then the different kinds of cuts and the methods for doing this stuff. | ||
| I just watched it and I'm just really impressed by it. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| He's so goddamn important because in my mind on television, he is the most prominent intellectual voice for wild game management, wild game conservation, and for hunting. | ||
| He's a true conservationist. | ||
| He's a guy who really, truly believes in public land hunting and goes way out of his way. | ||
| I mean, he gets plenty of offers to hunt on private land. | ||
| He prefers to hunt on public land, and he prefers to do his best to try to do whatever he can to help keep those lands public. | ||
| Yeah, and to promote that. | ||
| And I think one of the things he likes about hunting on my place is that he knows that after the fact... | ||
| We, you know, like when you were there, and just like this past year and every other year, there's a small group of people that hunt opening weekend. | ||
| After that, I start letting other folks come in. | ||
| I mean, it's our private land. | ||
| We're able to do, but it is the public's animal. | ||
| And yeah, I put restrictions on folks. | ||
| You can't shoot a buck or, you know, it's got to be this big or whatever it is. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| And he's applauded that in the past. | ||
| That's really important to me because I struggle with that a little bit. | ||
| But the alternative isn't very good where your land is just wide open to anybody who wants to come in on it. | ||
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| Experience that. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Well, the problem is you can't really count on everybody to be ethical. | ||
| You can't really count on everybody to take care of your land with reverence and dignity and the way you treat it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or even safe. | ||
| Liability, you can't let every yahoo... | ||
| Yes, very important, very important. | ||
| Like the animal that got winged in the neck as he's gone by, that the coyotes took apart. | ||
| Who knows who shot that, whether or not it was an ethical shot. | ||
| Just a bad shot. | ||
| And that's a big part of it. | ||
| Well, so that's the first episode. | ||
| The next two are two people that I hunted with us that I know and love. | ||
| And we actually... | ||
| They did a very similar thing to what you and Brian did. | ||
| The first time Brittany and Helen hunted was in Montana. | ||
| That was a year ago. | ||
| And sort of like Steve did with you and Brian, well, the next hunt was to bring them to our place. | ||
| So they went from hiking and working hard and freezing and not seeing deer very much to freezing their ass off sitting in a blind. | ||
| And the weather cooperated. | ||
| It was not nearly as cold as it was. | ||
| It was super snowy, though. | ||
| Coincidentally, I was in town the night before opening day, and I was so bummed out that I had scheduled it where I had to be in Colorado the next day, and I barely made it out of Madison. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I was in your town, man. | ||
| I know you were. | ||
| Fucked up. | ||
| Well, that can't happen again. | ||
| Yeah, we were thinking about, Callan and I were thinking about flying in on Sunday, but schedules didn't permit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would have been... | ||
| That'd have been great. | ||
| Next year. | ||
| Yeah, good. | ||
| I'm counting on it. | ||
| Yeah, well, next year we're going to manage it. | ||
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All right. | |
| Callan and I, we made a commitment to it. | ||
| We were talking about it. | ||
| We had so much fun two years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't believe we missed it. | ||
| Well, I'll do what I can to make sure the weather is not as bad. | ||
| We don't mind shitty weather. | ||
| And, you know, people ask me, you know, what was it like with those guys? | ||
| They said, you know, as... | ||
| That's us. | ||
| Yeah, that's shit on a stick, which is still... | ||
| I think it's still the number one meat-eater viewed YouTube video. | ||
| We had so much fun, man. | ||
| It was so fun just hanging out, just laughing. | ||
| And there I am trying to interject some conservation wisdom into it. | ||
| It was so fun, man. | ||
| So fun. | ||
| That's one of the things about these experiences. | ||
| The camaraderie is almost as important as the hunting itself. | ||
| Just to have a bunch of guys hanging out, having a good time on your farm. | ||
| You have such a beautiful piece of land. | ||
| We were talking about earlier that we used the term driftless. | ||
| And what that means is that this is the area where the glaciers passed over. | ||
| They didn't go through this area. | ||
| So you have beautiful rolling hills. | ||
| And people think of Wisconsin as being like sort of a flat area, which it is in some spots. | ||
| Southern, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but where you guys are at, it's amazing. | ||
| It's fucking gorgeous. | ||
| So much wildlife, too. | ||
| We saw turkeys. | ||
| We almost hit a turkey on our way to the airport. | ||
| There's three of them. | ||
| Big ones. | ||
| And that would have messed up our day. | ||
| I don't know if we'd have made it if we'd have hit one of those turkeys. | ||
| We would have made it. | ||
| I would have knocked the glass out. | ||
| We would have put our goggles on. | ||
| We would have drilled. | ||
| We would have made it. | ||
| Don't worry about us. | ||
| Don't worry about us. | ||
| You've got the fire in the belly, dude. | ||
| You said that. | ||
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Put some ski goggles on and drive all the way. | |
| They can take out your windshield, though, right? | ||
| Big birds, man. | ||
| So... | ||
| So, we had such a good time with that, and I think when Helen and Brittany, who were beginner hunters, they wanted to have that experience similar to what you and Brian had in Montana. | ||
| You know, we don't take it easy on us because we're, you know, whatever, women or whatever it happens to be, and I would not take it easy on either one of those two for any reason because they're just... | ||
| They're badass. | ||
| Those are badass women. | ||
| Helen's addicted to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| She's been doing jiu-jitsu with Anthony, with Tony Bourdain. | ||
| They've been going fucking crazy. | ||
| She takes it all the time. | ||
| She's lost a ton of weight. | ||
| She looks fantastic. | ||
| So we did a very similar thing. | ||
| Although this time, if you recall, when you guys were there, we had these blinds set up. | ||
| They were like pop-up blinds and stuff. | ||
| So Steve says, you know, I think we have to have them do ground blinds. | ||
| And you know how hard that was when we were inside those blinds? | ||
| They didn't really offer any heat or anything. | ||
| So it made complete sense. | ||
| Well, we built these beautiful blinds. | ||
| The one that Steve built will be there... | ||
| After the apocalypse. | ||
| Oh, so you guys built them while you were there? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| How did you do it? | ||
| Just get some plywood and stuff? | ||
| Oh, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Just with what was there. | ||
| I mean, of course, Steve had to take some wire and baler twine and stuff along, and Brittany and I just went up where I was. | ||
| We'll just pull stuff together and kind of make a little... | ||
| How many days did you do this for? | ||
| The blinds? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, a couple hours, one afternoon. | ||
| Okay, so like you say, well, what was there? | ||
| You mean like wood and boards? | ||
| Yeah, you know, branches from trees and, you know, and that sort of stuff. | ||
| Stuff that was just laying around. | ||
| What did you do with the one that I got, that I bought you? | ||
| Oh, that's up on, we call it shit on a stick, right? | ||
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| Oh yeah, you know what, we name them all. | ||
| So I put four round bales on end, and then I set it up on top of it. | ||
| Actually, the second day I went up there with my cameraman and sat. | ||
| And it didn't make the show, thankfully, but I will admit on the air that I took a shot at a deer and just clean missed her. | ||
| And I tell you, I spent a couple hours that afternoon because I just couldn't believe I missed. | ||
| Well, when we were there, I fell and fucked up my rifle scope, remember? | ||
| And you actually helped me sight it back in because I didn't know. | ||
| We had an issue with the scope being loose. | ||
| When it was set in, whoever set it in, because we changed scopes. | ||
| I had a Leopold, and we put a Vortex on. | ||
| And when we changed the scope, unfortunately, it wasn't done right. | ||
| And some steps weren't taken to secure it correctly. | ||
| You fell on it real hard. | ||
| I'm falling on it that hard, man. | ||
| But it was off, man. | ||
| It was off bad. | ||
| Like, more than a foot, or close to a foot at 100 yards. | ||
| Well, I wish I had that excuse. | ||
| I just clean missed that deer. | ||
| It was a poke, but she was standing still. | ||
| How many yards? | ||
| About 400 yards. | ||
| It was a poke. | ||
| That's a long fucking shot, man. | ||
| Uh, and, um, I just, I clean mister. | ||
| Now, do you use one of those, um, iPhone calculator apps where, like, you have to, like, figure out, like, how far it is, the velocity of your gun, you know, what are you shooting at, 30-odd sex? | ||
| Uh, actually, I had a, um, a Savage, uh, 300 Winmeg. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| That they brought for me to, you know, Oh yeah, Savage is the sponsor of the show now, right? | ||
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Yes, that's right. | |
| Excellent guns. | ||
| Oh, wonderful. | ||
| Savage arms are fantastic. | ||
| They have that special trigger, too. | ||
| It's like the one-step, two-step process. | ||
| So they have a very light trigger, but it won't go off accidentally. | ||
| No, and it was... | ||
| Rifle was dead nuts. | ||
| Yeah, and by the way, I should say these guys I know about this stuff because of Steve Rinella's podcast It's called the meat-eater podcast which I talked him into doing and now he's now he's addicted to it, too. | ||
| Yeah It's great fun. | ||
| Doug's famous. | ||
| Great podcast. | ||
| It's a great podcast. | ||
| He's so good at it And yeah, you had the guys from vortex on there talking about different things and I learned a lot that day so anyway, I clean mist and I I know I've talked about this before on maybe the podcast. | ||
| I said I've never regretted a shot that I didn't take. | ||
| And Steve's like, really? | ||
| Because, you know, he's incredulous about most of the things that I say, but... | ||
| And most things everybody says. | ||
| Well, he challenges you, that's for sure. | ||
| But I took that shot, and I kind of regretted it, because it was a long poke. | ||
| It was a rifle that wasn't my rifle. | ||
| I wouldn't have made that shot with my own, but right over her back. | ||
| And she ducked in the whole thing, and I was sure I hit her. | ||
| I went down there, and I'm... | ||
| Did she jump the gun? | ||
| Like, did she drop down because she heard the gunfire? | ||
| No, it zinged over her back. | ||
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Ah. | |
| And, uh... | ||
| We watched it, my cameraman and I kept watching it on the thing, and so I went right down to the spot where I marked exactly where the spot was. | ||
| We had snow and everything, and I just clean missed, and it was a shot that in retrospect I kind of wish I wouldn't have taken, especially with what was happening right then. | ||
| Deer were starting to come to the field and all that, but anyway, and the point was it was from that blind that you sent me after that hunt, and so that's where it lives is up there on top of the hill. | ||
| It's a great spot. | ||
| You'll love it when you see it. | ||
| Have you ever seen those bale blinds that look like a bale of hay and you sneaky go inside them and you're like, hey, come get some hay. | ||
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We used to make some cozy blinds. | |
| He'd take three, four round bales and then put a little cover on top and you're in there toasty. | ||
| I missed out on the biggest buck opportunity of my life because my old man let me get out of chores in the morning. | ||
| He said, you go out in that blind. | ||
| He's like, me and your brother are going to kick one out of the swamp. | ||
| 10 o'clock rolls around. | ||
| And I'm so cozy. | ||
| And I'm passed out. | ||
| And all of a sudden, I hear my old man. | ||
| He's like, hey, what are you doing? | ||
| I get up. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| He's like, didn't you see that thing? | ||
| I'm like, oh, it was too small. | ||
| And I can't remember what he was calling. | ||
| He had a name for it. | ||
| And he's just like, that was, you know, that was a mega box. | ||
| You know, and oh my god. | ||
| You thought it was too small? | ||
| I was sleeping. | ||
| So I was trying to make an excuse. | ||
| I never lived that down with my old man. | ||
| Oh, that's so funny. | ||
| And we were watching that guy. | ||
| You go out shining at night. | ||
| You ever been shining? | ||
| No. | ||
| You need to do that sometimes. | ||
| Is that like moonshining? | ||
| No, you go out with a spotlight. | ||
| You just drive around the country roads and shine the deer that are out in the fields. | ||
| And you just get a gauge of how many out there. | ||
| Just kind of monitor where they're at. | ||
| Wasn't that... | ||
| Well, that's what people use for poaching, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's legal to do during certain times. | ||
| As long as you don't have guns and you're not. | ||
| You can't do it during season. | ||
| But it's legal. | ||
| Oh, you can't do it during the rifle season, during hunting season. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It ends at a certain date. | ||
| Well, anyway, but what we did, because the other problem with those blinds, as you might remember, is you're pretty damn crowded in them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I actually sell a blind now called Shadowhunter blind, which is a different... | ||
| Oh, they're great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so I have a few of those around. | ||
| And they are great, but we couldn't, it didn't make sense to do that. | ||
| We had too many people. | ||
| Filming. | ||
| And, you know, the filming thing. | ||
| So we built cool blinds for four people, you know, two hunters and two cameramen. | ||
| But they weren't insulated then. | ||
| Oh, they sure weren't. | ||
| And the day before, well, you were there. | ||
| You know what happened. | ||
| It was beautiful the day before. | ||
| We were out squirrel hunting in the morning, and these girls were shooting squirrels, man. | ||
| Just wait until you see this. | ||
| They did such a great job. | ||
| They were so much fun, and they were just so into it. | ||
| Such good squirrel murderers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| And just like you and Brian, man, they gutted them, they cleaned them, they did the whole thing, you know, to the point where I think Helen was maybe a little regretful that she had, well, they had three deer. | ||
| They broke down completely by themselves. | ||
| So did everybody shoot a deer? | ||
| Was everybody successful? | ||
| Everybody but the guy who... | ||
| Hosted it. | ||
| You? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, man, that's crazy. | ||
| You got a big one last year, right? | ||
| Yeah, I got a nice one last year. | ||
| I filled the freezer this year. | ||
| Later on, you know, the season goes on. | ||
| What are the... | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Well, so we did much the same. | ||
| We set up, and it was really interesting. | ||
| We had a Marine sniper trainer. | ||
| Steve knows. | ||
| He's actually from our area there. | ||
| He came in and talked to us about shooting a little bit, you know, specifically for Helen and Brittany. | ||
| And I'm just so proud of those two. | ||
| They take it so seriously. | ||
| As seriously as you and Brian did, okay, you take it really seriously. | ||
| And Brian always took it seriously when he needed to take it seriously. | ||
| And very into it, very respectful, wanting to know about it and all that. | ||
| And I hope it, I think it comes out in the episodes. | ||
| You know, I'm so close to it, I can't necessarily say. | ||
| But we're very successful. | ||
| Well, I don't want to spoil it for everybody, but yeah, we put some deer on the ground and they did a terrific job. | ||
| And I think it makes for compelling success. | ||
| For compelling episodes as well. | ||
| That show's always awesome. | ||
| What I wanted to ask you is, with all the wildlife that you have in your area, what are the seasons? | ||
| I mean, I know you have more than one season of deer, so when does the season start? | ||
| Is the archery season first? | ||
| Yeah, archery season starts September 15th or the second Saturday in September. | ||
| How many archery, do you have a lot of archery hunters come out there? | ||
| Yeah, a lot. | ||
| On our place? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| No, but I'd be happy to have one or two. | ||
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I don't even like rifle hunting that much anymore. | |
| Well, the thing about archery hunting for deer in our area is, you know, it's a very... | ||
| Well, but you've learned all this, too, hunting with Cam, is that it's... | ||
| They've got to be closer, and I don't care how many of them there are. | ||
| They've got to be close, and they've got to come, and you're going to spend some time out there, and not much has been going on. | ||
| But our archery season coincides with that first part of November, end of October, first part of November, where the pre-rut and rut is going on, so there's a lot of deer activity. | ||
| And so there are... | ||
| You know, you can call and you can use scents and all that stuff, and they're coming in. | ||
| As you know, it's a completely different relationship with the animal. | ||
| We actually have crossbow hunting. | ||
| Now you can use a crossbow, not a longbow, and personally that's what I use. | ||
| That's cheating. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| That's not archery. | ||
| That's a shitty gun. | ||
| It has a fucking scope on it. | ||
| Yeah, it sure does. | ||
| It sure does. | ||
| It's a magnification scope. | ||
| You put the crosshair on, you pull the trigger, you sit it on a rest, you can rest it down like you can. | ||
| That is not archery, goddammit. | ||
| You can drink beer while you're doing that. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You can shoot heroin. | ||
| Shoot one of those fucking things. | ||
| Well, you don't have to practice with them much. | ||
| Yeah, at all. | ||
| And it is certainly different than shooting a rifle. | ||
| I'm comfortable at 50 or 60 yards. | ||
| With a crossbow? | ||
| Yeah, and I know people can shoot further than that. | ||
| Ethically, I'm just not interested in that. | ||
| But I am interested in... | ||
| I don't have... | ||
| Boy, if Cam was here, he'd drag me outside, or maybe you will. | ||
| I say that bow hunting is for people who don't have enough to do. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That it takes so much time to be an ethical bow hunter. | ||
| You're talking to a guy who shot 200 arrows today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I shot all day today. | ||
| I had a Hoyt representative. | ||
| Come to my house and we're shooting... | ||
| I have a whole 3D setup in my yard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're shooting a rubber elk all day today. | ||
| My arms are sore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to be an asshole. | ||
| Well, you have to be committed to it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the hardest thing for me during that time of the year on the farm is to sit in a tree and wait for a deer to come by. | ||
| I've got all of these other things that I need to be doing during that period of time. | ||
| Not at my work in Madison or something like that, but on that farm. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| So I'm actually moving a little bit more towards during archery season because I've not had a whole lot of archery season. | ||
| We've had a couple of guys over the years, but to start to host people, because I'm going to be there anyway. | ||
| I might not be partaking in it myself. | ||
| Well, that's actually more attractive to me than even coming on an opening day. | ||
| How long does the archery season last? | ||
| Until the first of January. | ||
| Until the first of January. | ||
| So it goes straight through? | ||
| Well, yeah, you can bow hunt during the gun season. | ||
| So I could have come down and bow hunted. | ||
| When those girls were shooting squirrels, I could have bow hunted. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And when they were shooting deer, you could have bow hunted. | ||
| You just had to wear an orange jacket rather than camouflage. | ||
| Right, but before that, I could wear camo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I could archery hunt and then bail. | ||
| And then take off right before... | ||
| Oh, that first... | ||
| End of October, first part of November, when the active rut is going on, that's the time. | ||
| What's the deal with the black powder? | ||
| Is that still separate? | ||
| That's after... | ||
| After everything? | ||
| After the gun season. | ||
| Black power? | ||
| Black power. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| You got me, dude. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| People don't know what we're talking about. | ||
| We're talking about muzzle loaders. | ||
| For some strange fucking reason, it's okay to use a primitive, stupid weapon that you should never use in real life. | ||
| You put a ball and you pack the powder in like you're living in the fucking 1800s and you shoot this stupid thing. | ||
| And here's the thing about muskets. | ||
| This is the weird thing about them. | ||
| They're real fucking accurate now. | ||
| Like, real accurate. | ||
| To like 200 yards. | ||
| So they're basically a rifle that you can't make a good ethical follow-up shot on. | ||
| I don't like them. | ||
| The aerodynamics are... | ||
| I get it. | ||
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Old. | |
| Not only that, you shoot in this fucking giant cloud of smokes in front of you and you don't know what happened. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Where's the animal? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Did he hit it? | ||
| Well, there'd be plenty of people you're going to hear from about that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Listen, it is definitely more accurate and better than a bow, but my point is use a fucking gun. | ||
| If you're shooting one of those things and it's accurate to several hundred yards, I know people that have shot a deer at 250 yards with a musket. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So with a muzzleloader, when you're getting to that kind of a distance, what is that really? | ||
| You've got a rifle. | ||
| It's a shitty rifle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're talking about a bow, if you shot something at 200 yards, you're basically closing your eyes and shooting up at the sun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, who the fuck knows where that arrow's going? | ||
| You're shooting 250 yards. | ||
| But with a musket or a muzzleloader, you can put the crosshair on that thing. | ||
| You can accurately judge, just like you can with a rifle. | ||
| The problem is it takes you like 15 to 20 seconds to reload, as opposed to just going, if you want to make a follow-up shot with a rifle, you know, or there's a lot of people now that are hunting with semi-automatics, you know, where they're going, bang, bang, Bang! | ||
| You can shoot a deer three times in two seconds. | ||
| The thing about the Black Potter is you've got to have your bayonet for the finish. | ||
| The Civil War! | ||
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Boom! | |
| And then you're on the run. | ||
| Do you have to have a flint? | ||
| It hits the thing and makes the spark. | ||
| Johnny Reb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, everybody has their preference. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I guess the thing on my family's farm, you know, I'm the captain, and the captain gets to decide what happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, you know, and it's like, oh, this is the way it's going to be. | ||
| I'm not absolute about anything. | ||
| You know, over time, things kind of ebb and flow and change. | ||
| And, you know, for me, well, I still want to be out there in that first part of November. | ||
| I don't have to practice every day. | ||
| I can't where I live. | ||
| I don't have to become, and I readily admit it, you know, I have an old Hoyt. | ||
| And I like the bow, and I'll shoot it once in a while, but man, 20 yards is about it where I feel like I can make an ethical shot. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| We need to get you a new Hoyt. | ||
| What year Hoyt do you have? | ||
| Oh man, I'd have to check with Shane, the guy I bought it from. | ||
| I bought it from him, used, because he was upgrading. | ||
| So it's like in the 60s, like one of them bamboo ones? | ||
| I think it's like a mid-80s, maybe a late-80s. | ||
| Laundry wheels, like for fucking laundry ropes? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Mid-80s, for real? | ||
| Mid to late 80s, yeah. | ||
| Maybe it was early 90s. | ||
| I'm sure I'll hear from you. | ||
| Why don't you choose a slingshot? | ||
| Do you have any rocks you can throw? | ||
| What the fuck are you doing, man? | ||
| Spear. | ||
| Jumping on the tree. | ||
| You know, it's just not my priority. | ||
| And I have a lot of... | ||
| I have a lot of respect for bow hunters who spend the time to become that proficient at it. | ||
| And then you end up spending a lot of time whitetail hunting in our areas. | ||
| There's guys who spend a lot of time doing that. | ||
| And like I said, I just don't... | ||
| I totally understand. | ||
| I totally understand. | ||
| I'm totally busting your balls. | ||
| It's not something that I would... | ||
| I don't think anybody should do it. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Don't go bow hunting. | ||
| It's too much work. | ||
| And it's too addictive. | ||
| Forget about bow hunting. | ||
| If I never hunt again for the rest of my life, archery is massively addictive. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I shoot every day. | ||
| It's so much fun. | ||
| To me, it's a nice, peaceful meditation type of a thing. | ||
| Do they have ranges out here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch. | ||
| There's a big one off of the 210. It's a fucking huge long distance range. | ||
| But I think that it's a nice meditation. | ||
| It's nice to do. | ||
| But when it comes to compound bows, man, it's really the difference between a bow from the 1980s and a modern, like, 2016 Hoyt Defiant. | ||
| You might as well be shooting a musket versus, like, a modern Savage Arms rifle. | ||
| It's not that much difference. | ||
| I mean, the amount of... | ||
| The power that these things have now and the speed in which they shoot arrows and the accuracy. | ||
| There's so much technology and engineering going into bows. | ||
| It's really kind of amazing because it's one of the few pieces of hunting equipment that literally changes and improves every year. | ||
| And so I think about that when I hear the bowhunting purist friends who are just cackling right now about you giving me shit about bowhunting, which is great. | ||
| I mean, they're going to love it. | ||
| Well, there's a real purist thing. | ||
| I'm a pussy because they use a compound bow. | ||
| They use recurves because they like not being accurate at all. | ||
| They're like fucking hoping they hit shit. | ||
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Boink! | |
| And they're getting mad at me right now. | ||
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Fuck you, you pussy! | |
| Shoot a real bow like a man with your fingers. | ||
| Go and make it yourself, too. | ||
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Get some leather from the last animal you shot and wrap it around your fingers. | |
| I actually think that Steve was talking about on this upcoming Butchering one about how they used to take the silver skin off of meat, and they'd get the long strips of it, and that's what they made their bow strings out of it. | ||
| Yeah, strings with. | ||
| Yeah, sinew. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| I used to dry it out and roll it and turn it into... | ||
| I mean, did you see his thing from when he was in the jungle? | ||
| Was it Bornea? | ||
| Where the fuck did he go? | ||
| Bolivia. | ||
| Yeah, Bolivia. | ||
| Goddamn, that was an amazing show. | ||
| Two-part episode where they went to Bolivia and the traditional bows those guys used to kill animals... | ||
| They had these really heavy, really long arrows and these stick bows that they had made themselves. | ||
| And he showed up with a Hoyt carbon spider. | ||
| And he's drilling. | ||
| Yeah, there's the bows that these guys had. | ||
| Well, look at that arrow. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| They had these really long, really heavy arrows. | ||
| And notice how there's no fletchings on the arrow. | ||
| And he's got the follow-up arrow right there in his hand, too. | ||
| Yeah, they keep them in their hands. | ||
| And I remember on this episode how he struggled to hit the fish because of how the water would deflect the arrow, I should say. | ||
| And these guys are just, like, nailing them one after another. | ||
| Well, it's not just that. | ||
| It's not the water deflecting. | ||
| It's the image. | ||
| It looks different. | ||
| The fish is actually, it could be as much as six inches lower than what you think. | ||
| Because the refraction in the water, you're looking down at almost like a lens. | ||
| So it's like distorted where the actual fish is. | ||
| So if you shot right at the fish, you would never hit it. | ||
| You have to shoot like below it. | ||
| It's real weird. | ||
| You ever see the ones that people use in America? | ||
| It's like a trident. | ||
| It's like a big, you know, you're kind of... | ||
| Making up for that. | ||
| We have all these prongs. | ||
| And they shoot these arrows. | ||
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Or like a long spear when they're doing sturgeon. | |
| The shocker. | ||
| When I was a kid, we used to shoot carp up at the end of the lake. | ||
| But they're... | ||
| Because the water's real shallow, and they'd go up there and just raise hell, and their backs would be out of the water. | ||
| So you weren't dealing with it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to live near Lake Charles in Boston, and there was an area by the waterfall where the carp would pool up. | ||
| And it was incredible. | ||
| I mean, you're looking at these 20, 30-pound fish, and there's dozens of them just stacked together, and you see them on the surface of the water. | ||
| You know, but it's a junk fish to us, but a delicacy to people in the UK and in Asia. | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| Yeah, people smoke it. | ||
| Yeah, when one person decides it's a good fish, and then, you know, the problem was they're an invasive species in a lot of the North American rivers and lakes, and people don't like them for whatever silly reason. | ||
| But they're a very good fish to eat, apparently, if you prepare it properly. | ||
| You know, a lot of things. | ||
| I mean, one of the things about grass-fed beef is, you know, a lot of times it doesn't have the fat. | ||
| So, I mean, you've got to know how to cook it. | ||
| You can't overcook it. | ||
| Right, that's a big point. | ||
| I mean, you can say about any kind of meat. | ||
| I mean, people can fuck up a really good piece of meat. | ||
| Well, especially a real lean piece of deer, venison or elk or something like that, moose. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| You want to barely singe the outside of it almost. | ||
| And knowing how to prepare it is a big part of the responsibility of hunting. | ||
| You don't want to... | ||
| Have this meat that you've got from this animal, and you have so much reverence for the death of this animal, and then you just prepare it like an asshole. | ||
| You have to put almost as much thought into the cooking. | ||
| It's one of the things I really love about Ronella's show. | ||
| The episode that I watched last night about that Idaho mule deer that he shot, this enormous deer, was really focused on, at the end of it, how he prepared it. | ||
| You know, he showed you how to prepare it and how to cook it properly and how you can tell when it's done and all this different stuff. | ||
| And he'll go through the butchering process, he'll go through the cooking process. | ||
| And that's something a lot of these shows, they don't even touch, man. | ||
| They get the deer, look at him, he's a real Iowa giant! | ||
| And they take a picture of this animal and they show the antlers, look at his fourths and his fifths and look at his brow tying and sticking up like this. | ||
| Or down in Texas. | ||
| Or they're in the tower down in Texas. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, there's a lot of that. | ||
| A lot of donating. | ||
| A lot of donating. | ||
| I suppose that's a good thing. | ||
| Yes, it is a good thing. | ||
| But there's also shows where they pretend, you know, we're out here hunting. | ||
| You know, you got these fucking piles of corn out there that you're waiting for these animals to come to. | ||
| And you're just kind of shooting at these spots where you know they're going to be. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| That's always an interesting part of any discussion about hunting, about where are the ethical lines. | ||
| Because guys will say, well, because baiting is illegal by us because of chronic wasting disease. | ||
| When you put a pile of corn out, they're exchanging saliva, and that's how it was spread. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| But you guys do have some deer farms, which is where people think the origins of chronic wasting disease are from. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I heard an interesting discussion about that recently and one of the things they talked about is that there were these protein blocks being put out and that may have been... | ||
| they've never... | ||
| There have been a few different ideas of where it came from, and one is from the deer farms, and another is these protein blocks that maybe got put out, and it's got animal byproduct in it, and maybe that's how it jumps species. | ||
| Oh, so is it like a prion thing? | ||
| That's exactly what it is, is a prion. | ||
| So it's similar to mad cow disease, then? | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| So would that have come? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And I've even heard it said that there are places where they were trying to improve the genetics of the deer herd, so they were bringing in bigger bucks and releasing them. | ||
| I don't have any proof of any of it, so those are just the things you hear. | ||
| That could be the case. | ||
| They are very concerned with people that release these animals from these farms out. | ||
| But there's some fucking places, like I got contacted by this guy. | ||
| Hey man, come hunt at my place. | ||
| And then I looked at his Instagram page and I'm like, that's not even a fucking deer. | ||
| It's a big cage. | ||
| Well, I don't want to talk shit because I don't know this guy and I don't know why, but it's a high-fence operation. | ||
| I don't even want to say what state it is, but they're barely deer. | ||
| There are these deer that have these fucking bushes growing out of their heads. | ||
| If you see what their antlers look like, you're like, okay, that's not even real. | ||
| Jamie, pull up this. | ||
| Ridiculous antlers in a deer farm. | ||
| They're growing these animals. | ||
| I've seen it, man. | ||
| Trophy. | ||
| You call them trophies, but essentially they're manipulating the genetics of these animals so that they have all these antlers so that these rich assholes can go and shoot these things in this 100-acre fenced-in area where they're letting these animals out of their pens. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| What is that? | ||
| What are we looking at here, man? | ||
| And you're killing that deer for one reason. | ||
| So you could put that on your wall. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure you could kill it and it would taste just like a regular deer. | ||
| I'm sure they're delicious. | ||
| But look at this, man. | ||
| So they're growing these insane antlers by feeding them supplements and feeding them the shit that makes their antler steroids, that makes their antlers grow. | ||
| They don't look like antlers, man. | ||
| It looks like tumors. | ||
| It looks like balls. | ||
| Well, like Doug said, we were talking about this. | ||
| It's criminal. | ||
| I mean, Doug's very strongly opinionated about that. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| It's criminal. | ||
| Be careful what I say. | ||
| Well, the cage in a man. | ||
| Caging a man and having, you know, 300 acres isn't that big, and you got this 300-acre cage. | ||
| You know, that's not hunting. | ||
| Yeah, but I said earlier... | ||
| That's fish in a barrel. | ||
| That's fish in a barrel. | ||
| But I said earlier that on 40 acres, that's where that deer lived. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| He could leave that 40 acres whenever he wanted to. | ||
| If he wants to. | ||
| And he wasn't coming to a bait pile or any of that kind of stuff. | ||
| That's a big part of ethics, right? | ||
| And I figured him out. | ||
| Yeah, and I guess that's where I was getting to, is where those lines are. | ||
| Well, this is the hunting that I grew up with. | ||
| I've never hunted outside the Midwest. | ||
| I've really only hunted outside of our farm twice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I have a friend who hunted in Texas at a ranch that has 10,000 acres fenced in. | ||
| I'm like, well, as far as I'm concerned, those are wild animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 10,000 acres? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, there's not a fucking animal on Earth that's going to travel that far, other than a mule deer. | ||
| There's not an animal on Earth that's going to migrate further than that in its lifetime. | ||
| You essentially have this gigantic fenced-in habitat. | ||
| And their idea about it is, look, we can manage the wildlife, sustainable wildlife inside. | ||
| We're not feeding them anything. | ||
| They live off this land, but we're just keeping people out. | ||
| We're not keeping the animals in. | ||
| We're keeping people out. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| I can buy that. | ||
| A line in a song, I think, yeah. | ||
| Is that a line in a song? | ||
| A line in a song. | ||
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Put up the fence to keep me out or keep all the nature in. | |
| Keep all the nature in. | ||
| If God was here, he'd tell it to your face. | ||
| Man, you're some kind of sinner. | ||
| That's hippies, though. | ||
| That's hippies who want to fucking get on your land, by the way. | ||
| You ever hear that bit where they're like, the part about the sign, the sign said, anybody caught trespassing will be shot on sight. | ||
| It's like a radial bit. | ||
| And then it ends. | ||
| That's the end of the song. | ||
| It's complicated business. | ||
| It's all a complicated business. | ||
| And these ethical lines are difficult. | ||
| It's something that you have to think about. | ||
| It's something you have to talk about. | ||
| You've got to be willing to change your mind sometimes, too. | ||
| Well, baiting bears is a big one. | ||
| Baiting bears is a big one because there's a lot of places where the only way, especially in the spring, you're ever going to kill a bear is if you bait. | ||
| So they have to control the population of these bears because the bears are killing moose. | ||
| They're killing calves. | ||
| They're killing fawns from deer. | ||
| They're killing all sorts of things. | ||
| And they're killing cubs. | ||
| They're killing each other. | ||
| I mean, the bears are killing machines. | ||
| So when they have these environments where they have to control the population, they allow baiting. | ||
| The reason why they allow baiting is to make a successful hunt. | ||
| And recently, I think in Maine it was, I don't know if they passed it, but they were trying to pass no baiting on bears. | ||
| And the reason why they were doing it is because anti-hunting people were trying to stop people from hunting bears. | ||
| So the way they would essentially make a hunt completely ineffective was saying no baiting. | ||
| Because as soon as you can't bait, you can't find them. | ||
| Yeah, you're not going to have any success. | ||
| You don't find them. | ||
| I have friends who live in Michigan, and they were telling me, listen, man, you could go a fucking decade without seeing a bear in the woods. | ||
| Meanwhile, they're everywhere. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You just don't find them. | ||
| You go near them, they hear a snap and twig, like, fuck this guy. | ||
| And they walk so quiet. | ||
| Those pads. | ||
| It's one of the weirdest things about bear hunting, is when you're out there and you're waiting. | ||
| You stand by a trail where you know they head by. | ||
| You'll see one before you hear it. | ||
| They'll just be right there. | ||
| You're like, oh shit, he's right there. | ||
| They're just so goddamn quiet. | ||
| Amazing that such a big animal could be so quiet. | ||
| With slippers on their feet. | ||
| They have slippers. | ||
| Like moccasins. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they're pads. | ||
| Have you ever touched a bear's pads? | ||
| It's weird, man. | ||
| And it's designed to creep up on shit. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, that's why cats have them, too. | ||
| They have those pads at the bottom of their feet. | ||
| Why don't they have hooves? | ||
| Wouldn't hooves be better? | ||
| Yeah, well, hooves make too much noise. | ||
| You can't be jacking shit with all that noise. | ||
| So they come creeping up on you, but they're like little ghosts, man. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Cats and bears. | ||
| They're ghosts. | ||
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Pad, slipper-wearing fucking ghosts. | |
| No! | ||
| Oh, good stuff. | ||
| Listen, I think we're done. | ||
| I think we should wrap this pitch up and bring it home. | ||
| This was a lot of fun, man. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Hey, I appreciate the opportunity, man. | ||
| Thank you, Doug. | ||
| Would say a little bit about, yeah, thank you very much. | ||
| And to steal a line from Ray Wiley Hubbard, the days I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations are really good days. | ||
| And today is about as good a day as you could get. | ||
| Well, I really enjoyed it. | ||
| I appreciate you guys flying out here and doing this, and I'm glad we could have this conversation and get your perspective on things, because I think a lot of people have, you know... | ||
| Listeners, continue the discussion, man. | ||
| I mean, never stop learning. | ||
| That's what it's all about, really. | ||
| I mean, this is all about just trying to figure out other people's perspectives. | ||
| Work together. | ||
| Work together, man. | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| Just stay the fuck off Doug's land, you hippies. | ||
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| Alright, thank you, friends. | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow with the great Boss Rutten and Mauro Ranallo. | ||
| Should be a lot of fun. | ||
| And then on Friday, Robin Black, my pal Robin. | ||
| And then on Sunday night, Fight Companion. | ||
| Alright, so we'll see you soon. | ||
| Much love, friends. |
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