Feb. 8, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
01:55:22
Participants
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unidentified
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Yes! | |
| Gary Clark Jr., welcome to the show. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| I'm great, man. | ||
| I'm great. | ||
| I owe Ari Shafir to connect me to you. | ||
| He's the one who connected me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He goes, check this out. | ||
| He played Numb for me. | ||
| I go, who is this motherfucker? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then from there on, I've been a Gary Clark Jr. fan. | ||
|
unidentified
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Awesome. | |
| Respect to Ari. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| What's going on, man? | ||
| Oh man, just trying to figure out LA. I came out here in July and just kind of figuring it out, man. | ||
| Is not Austin. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| But I'm starting to get a little bit, you know, familiar, and Austin's a couple hours away on an airplane, so I can figure it out. | ||
| But yeah, man, I'm glad you hit me up. | ||
| The Honey Honey crew. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the one who popped that off. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, Suzanne connected us. | ||
| Yeah, they're great. | ||
| They're good people, man. | ||
| I love those guys. | ||
| Yeah, I ran into them at Bridge School Benefit, a new young thing, so it's good to reconnect. | ||
| First time I came out here, we did a gig with them. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So what made you move from Austin, which is like one of the best spots in the world, if you could pull it off, to California, which is still one of the best spots in the world if you can pull it off, but so much more complex, so much more bullshit, so much more ego, so much more traffic, so much more... | ||
| Actors. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right? | |
| That's true, man. | ||
| That's very true. | ||
| But I spent some time in New York City. | ||
| I spent my whole life in Austin. | ||
| Always wanted to come out west and figure out what it's like, you know? | ||
| And so I got the opportunity to do it. | ||
| So I'm just out here checking it out. | ||
| Been here a few months. | ||
| So there was no specific pulling reason? | ||
| You said, let me just try LA. Nah, me and my girl just decided we would spend some time out here. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like moves like that, man. | ||
| I think about doing those all the time. | ||
| But my wife is so not into that. | ||
| Because I moved that bitch to the top of a mountain at one time. | ||
| And she almost fell off the cliff. | ||
| Oh, for real? | ||
| She kept driving the snow. | ||
| My dog got killed by a mountain lion. | ||
| A bunch of shit happened. | ||
| Meanwhile, I was in heaven. | ||
| Loved it. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Speaking of mountain lions, I heard they're, like, creeping around over here. | ||
| There's quite a few of them, yeah. | ||
| You can't hunt them in California, so they have no natural predators other than cars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there's people that think that's a good idea because they keep the deer population in check. | ||
| There's a good argument for that because we don't have Lyme disease. | ||
| It's very little Lyme disease in California. | ||
| And one of the reasons for that is not that many deer, especially around here. | ||
| Whereas if you're on the East Coast, the East Coast right now has a real Lyme disease epidemic because these deer are overpopulated. | ||
| And overpopulated deer means they don't get enough food and they're more susceptible to disease. | ||
| And fucking Lyme disease is the big one. | ||
| Ticks. | ||
| These ticks with Lyme disease. | ||
| I know a bunch of people from the East Coast that have got Lyme disease. | ||
| It's fucking bad. | ||
| Yeah, it's big down in Texas, too. | ||
| There's deer everywhere. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I guess that's a good thing, but I'd be freaked out if I walked out, you know. | ||
| Most of the time, you have to worry. | ||
| Most of the time, they're going after cats and dogs and shit like that. | ||
| They kill a lot of rabbits and small animals and deer. | ||
| They decimate the deer population. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, anything that could, like, take a chunk out of me, I'm a little bit worried about. | ||
| Where do you live? | ||
| Well, you don't say specifically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But do you live somewhere hilly? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Okay, you're alright. | ||
| You've been in a flatlands where the people are? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Although they did kill one in someone's backyard in Santa Monica two years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking Santa Monica. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| It was a big one, too. | ||
| It was like a 150-pound cat in some dude's yard, just chilling, sleeping in his yard. | ||
| Nah, I can't do that. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| Talk about something else, I'm going to get freaked out. | ||
|
unidentified
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Really? | |
| I just don't fuck with nature. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I love that. | ||
| That should be a meme. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I respect it. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I'm not really into getting eaten by some chicks. | ||
| But just that phrase, I don't fuck with nature. | ||
| That should be a picture of you with a guitar pointing at the camera that just says, I don't fuck with nature. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah, right. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| You know what I mean. | ||
| I know exactly what you mean. | ||
| Yeah, it's dangerous, man. | ||
| You go out there in the wilderness and, you know, cities are great. | ||
| You know, people think that somehow or another if you love nature that you don't love cities. | ||
| I love everything. | ||
| Cities, there's beauty in everything. | ||
| You can't be closed-minded. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I mean, coming from where I'm from in Austin, there's a city and there's nice land around it, so I like to jump back and forth and be involved in both, but I will not fuck with mountain lions. | ||
| I don't mess with sharks. | ||
| No, me neither, man. | ||
| Yeah, I'm down with that. | ||
| My kids are going to start taking surfing lessons. | ||
| They're little. | ||
| Five and seven, they want to take surfing lessons. | ||
| I'm like, that's like a bite. | ||
| Like, one bite. | ||
| Like, you don't even survive if you get bitten by a shark if you're five. | ||
| Do you surf? | ||
| No. | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't fuck with sharks either. | |
| I would serve if they would figure out some sort of bite-proof suit, for sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's what's holding me back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's definitely what's holding me back. | ||
| I would have a bite-proof suit, and then I would want a big-ass knife strapped to my thigh, so if a shark did bite me and it didn't get through, I'd just fucking fight in his head! | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Motherfucker. | ||
| Take that! | ||
| Take it, bitch! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hear ya. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of them over here, too. | ||
| There's more sharks, for sure, than there are mountain lions, I think. | ||
| What do I say for sure if I think? | ||
| But when you fly over California, there's a lot of helicopters that fly over the Malibu coast. | ||
| They take video footage of big-ass great white sharks all the time that are just a couple hundred yards away from people surfing. | ||
| Yeah, no thanks. | ||
| There's a lot of helicopters out here in LA in general. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, because it's a big flat area and there's a lot of criminals, it's a good way to catch people. | ||
| It's weird when you watch it. | ||
| You know, they call them ghetto birds. | ||
| It's weird when you watch when the helicopters are flying over and they have a spotlight on somebody. | ||
| You start feeling guilty. | ||
| You haven't even done shit. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I'm particularly sensitive, man. | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially being from out of town. | ||
| It wasn't me today, damn it. | ||
| How long have you been doing music, man? | ||
| Man, um... | ||
| I've been Playing guitar since 96. I always kind of wanted one. | ||
| And my folks were... | ||
| I had a habit of quitting what I started. | ||
| You know, like I played baseball for a little bit. | ||
| I tried to do martial arts for a little bit. | ||
| I tried to do basketball, football, and none of it kind of stuck. | ||
| I would always kind of go back to music. | ||
| So finally, in 96, I just got in it and quit caring about anything. | ||
| I got a guitar, discovered Herb, and I was like... | ||
| Yeah, that was about it. | ||
|
unidentified
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Did you take lessons or did you self-taught? | |
| I didn't take lessons formally, like I didn't pay anybody for lessons. | ||
| I probably should at this point. | ||
| But my friend of mine, Eve Monce, she had a guitar and she had a band and she... | ||
| Her and her band would practice all the time, so I would hear them. | ||
| So I would go over there and check it out and I would take my guitar and she would show me, you know, like a 12-bar blues, kind of like a Jimmy Reed shuffle type thing or like a... | ||
| You know, power chord, rock and roll thing, whatever. | ||
| So that was kind of how I first started. | ||
| And I rented books. | ||
| I went to the school library, my middle school library, and just rented, like, how to play guitar. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Watched this TV show, Austin City Limits. | ||
| It came on every Saturday. | ||
| So I used to just sit there and figure it out, you know, record the tapes and go back and figure it out. | ||
| So it was essentially, like, the first thing that you really connected to that you stuck with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was it about playing guitar? | ||
| I think the thing for me was I mean I love music and I mean the guitar for me was the instrument that could it could Paint so many different colors. | ||
| It was very versatile. | ||
| It could be loud, aggressive, or it could be sweet, beautiful. | ||
| I just thought if I could get my hands on one of those, I would try and push it to the limit and really figure out You just play with the full spectrum. | ||
| It's different than playing an electric guitar. | ||
| For me, there were more options than playing drums or trumpet or something. | ||
| With toys and things like that. | ||
| That was it. | ||
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unidentified
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I don't know. | |
| I'm still trying to figure it out. | ||
| I'm as interested in it, you know, 20 years later as I was, you know, then. | ||
| That means you got the right thing. | ||
| Yeah, I definitely found it, so I'm fortunate that way. | ||
| That's one of the harder things for kids, right? | ||
| When you're a young kid... | ||
| And you don't really know what you want to do with your life. | ||
| And your whole future just looks like just confusing. | ||
| Sometimes the hardest thing is finding something that really rings your bell. | ||
| Like finding something. | ||
| So for you, it seems like there was a bunch of different other options that just didn't really click. | ||
| And then the guitar just, that was it. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, baseball, I was a terrible hitter. | ||
| I was pretty fast. | ||
| Basketball, I was tall, but I was thin. | ||
| So, you know, it put me in the post, and I'd get pushed out by these huge guys. | ||
| And I got tired of my coach going, God damn it, Junior, when are you going to quit being a bitch? | ||
| So, you know, it was just, just with music, it just kind of clicked. | ||
| It was something for me. | ||
| What martial arts did you do? | ||
| I tried Taekwondo. | ||
| Yeah, perfect build for that. | ||
| Yeah, I just didn't have the patience at the time. | ||
| I really didn't. | ||
| I wish I stuck with it. | ||
| But, yeah, I didn't have the patience or the discipline. | ||
| I didn't want to, you know, be focused. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I wanted to, you know, if there's something out the window, I wanted to go run and jump out the window. | ||
| Go ride bikes or whatever it was. | ||
| You know, they call that ADD. But I call that just being a fucking person. | ||
| Being curious. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of shit that doesn't occupy your attention. | ||
| You're supposed to make it occupy your attention. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, you keep yourself pretty busy. | ||
| Yeah, but like guitar obviously occupied your attention. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like I don't believe in ADD in a lot of senses, in a lot of ways. | ||
| I think there's obviously some people that have like a mental issue, but I think for most people what they're calling ADD is being bored. | ||
| You're just bored. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like school? | ||
| How fucking boring is school? | ||
| School's terribly boring. | ||
| Yeah, I was terrible in it. | ||
| I was terrible too. | ||
| I spent a lot of my time, yeah, you should stay in school, kids, but I spent a lot of time showing up to that building and then immediately turning back around and going and doing what interests me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And look at you now, motherfucker. | ||
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unidentified
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I'm doing alright, but I'm doing alright. | |
| It's finding the thing and then going after it. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| And what school does is teaches you that the future is bleak. | ||
| In a lot of ways. | ||
| Obviously it educates you, and obviously for people that go on to choose some sort of an academic career, it's imperative, right? | ||
| But for a lot of people, that pushing you to pay attention to shit you don't want to pay attention to, it stifles creativity. | ||
| It's just not the best way for people to learn. | ||
| It gives you this horrible feeling about the future, like you feel like an outsider. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't feel comfortable at all. | ||
| I mean, I was constantly trying to figure out why am I spending so much time every day doing this? | ||
| You know, and I just had other interests. | ||
| I mean, I believe that it does work for some people and people need it. | ||
| For me, the type of person that I am, I was just like, I already know what I want to be doing. | ||
| I wish I could spend my time doing other things. | ||
| Alternative schooling wasn't really an option for me or anything at that point. | ||
| Is this in Austin you were growing up? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I grew up in Austin. | ||
| The school system there is pretty badass. | ||
| Yeah, it was good, but I felt like I would much rather have four hours of music class than doing something else. | ||
| So I'm not really knocking the system. | ||
| It was just my interest. | ||
| I think it's almost impossible to find a style of teaching or a course of study that's going to be really interesting and fascinating to every kid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The problem, I think, is shoving kids in classes and trying to educate them like they're a product, like a factory. | ||
| I just don't think... | ||
| I don't think the way we do it is the best way to do it. | ||
| I don't have a better solution, so I have to shut the fuck up. | ||
| Yeah, I don't either. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| You had to read that book, Brave New World. | ||
| That one kind of tripped me out. | ||
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unidentified
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I don't know if I'm ready for that. | |
| I don't have a solution either. | ||
| There's a Cadillac that you have in one of your videos. | ||
| Is that your car? | ||
| No. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| See, I hate when that shit happens. | ||
| When those stylists, they hook you up with a car that I'm like, damn, Gary Clark Jr. drives a dope-ass old Cadillac. | ||
| Nah, I drive a 94 Cadillac that I think is pretty dope, but the director of the video is like, nah, it's a piece of shit. | ||
| So you got this girl to bring her ride. | ||
| What year was that one? | ||
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unidentified
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I think it was like a 66. It was so slick. | |
| I was like, if Gary Clark Jr. really drives that Cadillac, there it is. | ||
| Look at that motherfucker. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah, no, man. | |
| Dude, you look like you just stepped off the set of Superfly. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| And then I got back to my house, and then I got in my car to go to do whatever I had to do, and I was like, man, this is not the same shit, but... | ||
| That fucking car is sick! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| Did you get to drive it? | ||
| Um... | ||
| Not even. | ||
| Just hung next to it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I drove it up and down that street like seven times. | ||
| It's so depressing what they do, man. | ||
| But they nailed it. | ||
| They found the perfect car for your music. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Like, that's a soulful car. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that car has a soul to it. | ||
| It's got like, it's a piece of history. | ||
| It's a piece of art. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| You're making me feel really terrible about my situation. | ||
| But you're a successful musician, man. | ||
| Everybody knows who you are. | ||
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unidentified
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Shit, you could go out and get a sweet 66. Yeah, yeah, I could. | |
| I don't drive that much anymore. | ||
| I spend so much time on the road, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, you know, someday. | ||
| I have a nice little collection. | ||
| Yeah, someday. | ||
| Someday. | ||
| That's in the mind. | ||
| So you do drive a Cadillac, though? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like an Escalade or something? | ||
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unidentified
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Nah, nah, nah. | |
| The regular one? | ||
| Yeah, I got this 94 Cadillac DeVille. | ||
| When I was 19, I still got it. | ||
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unidentified
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Really? | |
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Wow, that's actually even cooler because that one's kind of a poser car in a lot of ways. | ||
| This car in the photo, like, you know, the beautiful 66. You can't really take that thing anywhere. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Where are you going to take it? | ||
| You're going to park it there? | ||
| Some asshole with Volvo is going to open up his car door on you, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I would struggle to parallel park that thing. | ||
| You're gonna get looks from those shitheads and Priuses, the self-righteous, moral high ground people. | ||
| They're gonna look at you. | ||
| Do you have any idea? | ||
| Is it worth it? | ||
| Is it really worth it? | ||
| You're killing seals. | ||
| They're just gonna look at you shitty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at the fucking hubcaps or the rims on that. | ||
| It must be rims. | ||
| Those aren't hubcaps. | ||
| That's some aftermarket shit. | ||
| Those beautiful white wall tires. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But in a lot of ways, like, your car is actually cooler. | ||
| Because your car is like a car that no one... | ||
| No one gets... | ||
| No one wants to drive? | ||
| No, they don't get it to try to, like, look cool. | ||
| Like, that car is such a, I'm getting it to look cool car, that it's not even yours, and they used it for you in a music video to make you look badass. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But your car is actually more badass, because it's your first car from the time when you were 19, you still have it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you drive it. | ||
| But that's pretty cool, though. | ||
| Fuck yeah, that's cool. | ||
| One day. | ||
| Thanks for making me feel better, though. | ||
| Well, you're more authentic, see? | ||
| Like, if you were going way out of your way to own that car, but it was breaking down all the time, and it was fucking up, that would be kind of silly. | ||
| That was your only car. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| But I'm thinking about my car breaking down all the time. | ||
|
unidentified
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Does it? | |
| Yeah, it did. | ||
| Well, you've got to get one of them new ones. | ||
| Those new Cadillacs are fucking spaceships. | ||
| I saw some new thing they were working on, yeah. | ||
| They have a bunch of new ones now. | ||
| Cadillac's got some incredible cars now. | ||
| They're finally... | ||
| Something happened in the late 90s, early 2000s. | ||
| They started turning around, and now they have pretty amazing cars. | ||
| We'll get into that. | ||
| I know. | ||
|
unidentified
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You need like a CTSV. You see one of those? | |
| I've been in a bubble. | ||
| A musical bubble? | ||
| Then a musical bubble and then a baby bubble. | ||
| Ah, double bubble. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm just getting out of here I am. | ||
| Yeah, that's like a two baby bubble, right? | ||
| Because music is kind of like you're giving birth to an album. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| That's how I feel about it. | ||
| The new one that you came out with in September, it sounds different than the other ones, but cool. | ||
| But it's almost like you're taking different chances, or you're experimenting with different sounds. | ||
| Well, yeah, I was telling Jamie when I came in here, I was like... | ||
| Before I recorded my first album, On the major black and blue. | ||
| I was living in Texas and I had a live room where I had drums, keys, bass, rig, guitar all set up. | ||
| In another room I had my turntables, drum machines, keyboards all like putting... | ||
| going to this Pro Tools session. | ||
| So I was just making demos and sampling records and just kind of doing whatever I wanted to do. | ||
| So for this latest record, I just kind of wanted to get back into that space and experiment and vibe and challenge myself musically. | ||
| Just playing out on the road every night or whatever for a few years, kind of playing the same songs and trying to bring new life for those in a certain way was different than... | ||
| I felt like I was kind of stagnant, like I wasn't playing drums like I was every day. | ||
| I wasn't playing bass like I was. | ||
| I want to be a musician. | ||
| I want to be an all-around musician and push it to the limit. | ||
| So for this latest record, I just was able to do that and spend a lot of time. | ||
| So yeah, it does sound different. | ||
| It's all me playing most of the instruments as opposed to the last one was a band. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| How many different instruments do you play? | ||
| I guess I wouldn't say I play them. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, I mess around and some of it works, but I play drums, I play bass, keys, harmonica, percussion, you know, just kind of the foundation. | ||
| And did you take lessons for any of these? | ||
| Like formal lessons? | ||
| Like once you started rolling and you started becoming a musician? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I was a choir boy in middle school. | ||
| Were you? | ||
| Yeah, I got a hard time for that. | ||
| The dudes on the basketball team just, oh man, they used to give me a hard time. | ||
| So that was the formal training that I had. | ||
| I learned, you know, scales and notes like that. | ||
| So you can read music? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| You can put a chart in front of me and I'll... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| You're a musician. | ||
| Like, you're a real musician. | ||
| You have, like, records. | ||
| You're with a record label. | ||
| I saw your shit at the airport once, a music video that was playing on a television there. | ||
| Like, you're a professional musician. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I don't read music. | ||
| No, but it's like me being a comedian that doesn't write. | ||
| No, it's worse. | ||
| It's like me being an author who doesn't read books, who can't read books. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Jamie says no. | ||
| Well, this guy behind me, he didn't play music. | ||
| I gotta take that picture down and put a real one up. | ||
| Unfortunately, that's not his real mugshot photo. | ||
| It's a real photo, obviously. | ||
| But that's not the actual photo. | ||
| They fucked me, man. | ||
| I bought this shit. | ||
| That's Rosa Parks' real mugshot photo. | ||
| The Elvis one is real, but it's not really a mugshot. | ||
| It was when he went to visit Nixon in the White House. | ||
| They took a photo of him for a goof. | ||
| But... | ||
| That's just a classic picture of Hendrix. | ||
| And then they put his actual mugshot photo underneath it. | ||
| His real photo was him with shorter hair. | ||
| It looked more like a classic afro. | ||
| That's like, you know, Jimi Hendrix experience when they had those white dudes behind him with the big afros as well. | ||
| Yeah, that's his real photo. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
| That's the real one. | ||
| So you see the image is correct for the mugshot, like for his name, but that's the wrong photo. | ||
| They fucked me. | ||
| Somebody had to tell me. | ||
| Thank you, whoever told me. | ||
| Some dude online let me know, hey dude, that ain't the real one. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Fuck, right? | ||
| Assholes. | ||
| They just got a good one. | ||
| I mean, that looks like the perfect arrest photo of Jimi Hendrix. | ||
| And he also has this look on his face like, I can't believe these motherfuckers are arresting me. | ||
| Whereas the other one, he's got the look like, oh shit, I just got fucking arrested for heroin. | ||
| That's a different look, you know? | ||
| That's the... | ||
| Ah, fuck. | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Take the picture, man. | ||
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Shit. | |
| Shit. | ||
| I'm obviously a huge Hendrix fan. | ||
| And I can't bring myself to read. | ||
| He had a former bodyguard that wrote some book that claims that his ex-manager had him killed. | ||
| That Hendrick's manager not only had him killed, but even had him kidnapped at one point in time. | ||
| Just so he could rescue him. | ||
| Because Hendrick was going to leave his manager. | ||
| This guy also alleges that Hendrick's manager killed Hendrick's girlfriend, who was with him at the time that he died. | ||
| She jumped off a building in Soho, I believe. | ||
| And they think that they threw her off that building because she knew that this guy had killed Hendrix. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know either. | ||
| So you did read this song? | ||
| No, I can't bring myself to it. | ||
| Yeah, I can't either. | ||
| Because I don't want to get down some rabbit hole that I can't prove, but this guy who was a musician himself, he was with The Animals, I believe. | ||
| You know, what was that one hit song they had? | ||
| I forget the song, but he was actually a musician himself, and it didn't work out for him, and he started working as a bodyguard for Hendrix and working with this manager character who was apparently universally known as a really bad guy, like real shady. | ||
| Back in the day of music, you were dealing with a lot of mob characters, right? | ||
| A lot of organized crime characters, a lot of creepy people, a lot of dangerous people like Phil Spector, that crazy fuck. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yep. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't get any crazier than that guy. | ||
| And if you don't know who Phil Spector is, you'll Google him and you'll go, well, how come his hair looks like this in one picture and his hair like that? | ||
| He wore a bunch of crazy wigs when he got arrested for shooting a woman in the mouth just a few years ago and killing her. | ||
| He picked up some woman at a bar on Sunset, took her back to his mansion and shot her in the mouth. | ||
| Yeah, he was crazy. | ||
| But that guy was famous for, like, putting guns in people's mouths. | ||
| He was famous for pulling guns on people. | ||
| And apparently was just... | ||
| A big part of the music business back then was organized crime and just dangerous people with ties to organized crime. | ||
| And this guy who managed Hendrix, Hendrix apparently wanted to leave him. | ||
| And as he was on his way out, that's when this guy had Hendrix kidnapped. | ||
| This is what they are alleging in the book. | ||
| And I believe it's been confirmed that Hendrix was kidnapped and this guy did get him rescued. | ||
| The idea is he had him kidnapped so he could rescue him. | ||
| So he'd say, look, dude, you need me. | ||
| I just fucking saved your life. | ||
| That's crazy fucking dumb shit. | ||
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Crazy fucked up shit. | |
| Yeah, I don't know if I could dig deep and read. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't want to go there. | ||
| I would like to know the truth, but I almost don't want to go down the rabbit hole. | ||
| His name was Mike Jeffery, and apparently he was also a demolition expert and assassin for the British MI6 before he was a manager. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Jesus. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Okay, I gotta read the book now. | ||
| Sounds fascinating. | ||
| Now I got some shit to read this weekend. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't come across anything like that in the music business. | ||
| You get kind of compared to him, though, in a lot of ways. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Is it just because you're a handsome young black man who's very good at the guitar? | ||
| I think it's because I'm handsome. | ||
| I mean, what is it? | ||
| Yeah, I think that's what it is. | ||
| I think that's what it is. | ||
| But you do have, like, in Numb. | ||
| Numb's a perfect example of that. | ||
| You have... | ||
| That's an unusual sound, you know? | ||
| Those guitar riffs that you have in that? | ||
| And it's... | ||
| I can't... | ||
| There's certain sounds you go, ooh, that's a Gary Clark sound. | ||
| That sounds like Hendrix. | ||
| There was a bunch of Hendrix songs where you could hear Voodoo Child, and you go, okay, well, that's fucking Hendrix. | ||
| People can catch that sort of unique sound in a world of people riffing, in a world of people making these amazing sounds with guitars. | ||
| Occasionally, someone can isolate particular sounds like, of course, ACDC. Right, right. | ||
| You know, you listen to ACDC, it's like almost immediately you know it's an ACDC song. | ||
| But you've got your own thing going on. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| But I can understand the Hendrix comparison. | ||
| I mean, fuzzy guitars over heavy riffs. | ||
| Black guy doing it, you know. | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| It used to bother me, but I'm not mad at it. | ||
| I mean, it's like, he's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to be great, you know? | ||
| And if people have thrown your name in the same sentence as greats in a positive way, I'll take it and just keep practicing. | ||
| Perfect attitude, man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, that's perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What kind of music are you into? | ||
| Um... | ||
| What am I into? | ||
| At the moment, I'm into like... | ||
| Southern hip-hop. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, like, uh, speaking of Cadillacs and stuff, I used to, you know, drive around, and I don't know if y'all got, like, the chopped and screwed stuff, but, like, I used to listen to DJ Screw, and, um... | ||
| What's the chopped and screwed stuff? | ||
| Swisher House. | ||
| It's like, it's like, it's like, the music, it's like, it's just slowed down and kind of... | ||
| You know, they'll take a lyric on a turntable and chop it up and repeat something or whatever. | ||
| It's really kind of heady, trippy stuff. | ||
| So I listen to that all the time. | ||
| So I just recently kind of got back into listening to You know, things like that. | ||
| Like I got Paul Wall's record, Slim Thug, I've been listening to Big Crit. | ||
| So just like Texas Southern stuff. | ||
| I don't know if it's me missing. | ||
| Paul Wall's the white dude with braces, right? | ||
| He's got a grill. | ||
| Sorry, I get confused. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| I love it. | ||
| It's a little bit different. | ||
| But yeah, so I've been listening. | ||
| I don't know if it's like Texas or nostalgia. | ||
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Yeah, there he is. | |
| He's got some diamond braces. | ||
| So how does he eat corn on the cob? | ||
| That's my question. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Do those come out? | ||
| I think you take them out. | ||
| I think you take them out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like some shit he wears like a dental dam. | ||
| Or no, that's when you eat some dangerous pussy. | ||
| That's what a dental day is for, right? | ||
| It's for eating dangerous pussy. | ||
| Which, by the way, if you use that, kill yourself. | ||
| If you're even thinking about going down on a girl and you have to throw a fucking tarp over it first, you've made some terrible choices and you're probably never going to recover. | ||
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Stop oh Oh, man. | |
| Right? | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| If that's where it's at, well, you'll kiss her, but you won't eat her pussy? | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is chaos. | ||
| It's gone too far at that point. | ||
| Yeah, you're living your life completely wrong. | ||
| You need an intervention. | ||
| You need psychedelics or something. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Psychedelics. | ||
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There you go. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's been a long time for me on that. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| We can help you. | ||
| Jamie can. | ||
| He knows people. | ||
| Right? | ||
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No. | |
| Pass it off on him in case the cops are listening. | ||
| I heard they're listening. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Well, it's getting closer and closer to being legal, man. | ||
| I mean, they just released some new financial stats on the amount of money that they're making off medical marijuana. | ||
| If they can really establish that this is a nationwide way that people can make a ton of money off taxes and Turn economies around like they have in Denver. | ||
| I mean, they turn the economy in Denver around. | ||
| Do you perform there a lot? | ||
| Not a lot. | ||
| I'm trying to get there more. | ||
| Yeah, but I've done Belly Up a couple times and done some... | ||
| Did Red Rocks out there. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, a couple times. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| What a beautiful venue that is, huh? | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| But, I mean, the vibe is killer. | ||
| It's a great experience as far as all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Well, the Denver vibe is like some new American Amsterdam type shit or something. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's this amazing city now. | ||
| I mean, it went from being this cowboy city that was filled with really cool people to somewhere, I think, in the early 2000s. | ||
| I don't remember what the year it was. | ||
| They decriminalized marijuana in the city of Denver. | ||
| They just went, fuck it. | ||
| We're just not arresting anybody for it. | ||
| It's just stupid. | ||
| They're like, you can have all your state laws. | ||
| You can have all your national laws. | ||
| We're just not going to arrest people for it. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| We're done. | ||
| And so they would tell us that when we were working there. | ||
| We're like, what? | ||
| And they're like, yeah, they don't care. | ||
| You can smoke pot. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| Like, yeah, they won't arrest you. | ||
| They publicly said they won't arrest you. | ||
| So that was the first stepping point. | ||
| And then when it became legal... | ||
| And now they make more money from it than they do from alcohol, which is incredible. | ||
| They make more money because the taxes are very high. | ||
| Like, it's 39% taxes for recreational marijuana. | ||
| But nobody gives a fuck because it's still way cheaper than alcohol. | ||
| Like, you could get $10 worth of weed and be fucked up for the entire day. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, you take one $5 pot candy. | ||
| So what? | ||
| It's 39% taxes. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| So that makes it, what, eight bucks? | ||
| So then you take that one pot candy and you're barbecued. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's one Jameson. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's one drink. | ||
| It's not even close. | ||
| So economically, it's a great thing for the city. | ||
| And once that sort of sets in that we've been lied to about that, and then all these new studies are coming out about the benefits of different psychedelics for PTSD... John Hopkins did a long-term study on psilocybin. | ||
| They're doing new studies on psilocybin with people that are terminally ill and people that are they're getting towards the end of life you know older folks and it's just an alleviated tension the worry and fear of death and in a beautiful way and then they'll realize like hey you know we can profit off this shit like this is this is more money that can be generated from To help the school systems, | ||
| to fix the roads, to hire new cops, to change the way, you know, we address and interface with these things and stop criminalizing them. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
| I'm not as educated on all that as I would like to be, but I feel like, you know, once that door gets opened up, it'd be a lot more beneficial than it is, he said, to be You know, hurting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we're just stuck in the momentum of an ignorant past. | ||
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That's what it is. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| What kind of psychedelics have you experimented with, Gary Clark Jr.? | ||
| Why are you looking at me like that? | ||
| I started sweating. | ||
| I look like I could be a cop. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, oh man. | ||
| I was like, man, what did I walk into? | ||
| Hold on a minute. | ||
| Yeah, I spent a little time. | ||
| I love psychedelic mushrooms. | ||
| It's been a long time, but I definitely have... | ||
| I feel like I've gained some things from those experiences. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| That's a good one, though. | ||
| Mushrooms and weed. | ||
| They're both excellent combinations. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Well, Texas is a great place for it, too. | ||
| Because Texas, there's a lot of mushrooms that grow wild out there. | ||
| Yeah, we used to kind of have parties where we would run around and go pick them. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Yeah, it was kind of gross. | ||
| Picking them off cow shit? | ||
| Yeah, it was disgusting. | ||
| How did you know they were the right ones, though? | ||
| It was the group of people I surrounded myself with. | ||
| People that my mom said you should stay away from them. | ||
| Those mycologists. | ||
| Yeah, so it was just kind of like a... | ||
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I was hanging with the... | |
| The right crowd. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| It turns out to be the right crowd. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The right crowd, you know, the ones your mom probably told you should hang out with, they're on fucking antidepressants right now, freaking out. | ||
| Hitting midlife, wondering what the fuck they're doing with themselves, having children, being trapped in some job where they're, you know, most likely, the people that go the way that everybody wanted us to go, whether it's a lawyer or a successful businessman, they're stressed the fuck out, working long crazy hours. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
| I mean, I feel like regardless of or despite the... | ||
| The tension that I had, I mean, I grew up kind of like very strict, very, you know, I was raised like Baptist, you know, very straight, very strict family, military. | ||
| So any of that was, you know, completely taboo. | ||
| And I would, that would be my ass if they found out anything about it. | ||
| But for some reason, I felt like I wanted to break out and And discover on my own, you know what I mean? | ||
| And not be locked into what was just laid out for me. | ||
| So yeah, you're right. | ||
| It turned out being the right crowd. | ||
| You're doing great. | ||
| That just seems to be a common theme. | ||
| Suppression leads to trying to alleviate that suppression. | ||
| By just not listening, by just going crazy, by exploring, taking chances. | ||
| Oftentimes, the most strict upbringings deliver a child that is more prone to rebellion. | ||
| Kids don't like to be told what the fuck to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're there. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| Don't tell me what to do. | ||
| I'm going to do exactly the opposite. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm sure you're probably going to impart that into your own children, too, because you kind of remember. | ||
| I certainly... | ||
| Do with my children. | ||
| I remember being told what to do and just drive me fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People don't like it. | ||
| They don't mind rules if the rules make sense. | ||
| Like, hey, don't stick a fork into your electric socket because you could fucking die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's a big one at my house right now. | ||
| How old's your kid? | ||
| Just turned one. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Figured out how to open the door and walk within two days. | ||
| Boy or girl? | ||
| Boy. | ||
| Yeah, they're mobile, man. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| They start checking. | ||
| Plus, they wake up. | ||
| They don't say shit. | ||
| And you might be sleeping. | ||
| And they're like, let me just fucking check out what's going on in this house. | ||
| Why is that cord stuck in the wall? | ||
| Hmm, there's some holes in there. | ||
| Some other shit would fit in there, like coins. | ||
| And then they start sticking things in there. | ||
| It's blowing my mind right now. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah, they're fascinating. | ||
| They're little people, you know? | ||
| But yeah, I'm trying to definitely be conscious of that as he grows. | ||
| And... | ||
| I wouldn't mind questioning why. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was the whole because. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I said... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't do that to... | ||
| It drives me fucking nuts. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Well, I have a theory on all that stuff. | ||
| I think that every generation gathers up the information of how the previous generation fucked up. | ||
| And as long as there's no cataclysmic disasters and we're not living in Mad Max times where it's like desperado days and everyone's fending for themselves and it's just about survival, then things just keep getting better. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, now you can pull out your mobile device and, you know, figure out what's really happening, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's kind of a trip. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, to kind of grow up and just not really know... | ||
| Not have access like we have access now. | ||
| I mean, it still blows my mind. | ||
| I forget sometimes that if I want to know something, I can just Google. | ||
| Yeah, instantly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I saw something you were talking about, these Google glasses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And these whole... | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| It's... | ||
| My buddy Chris was trying to tell me about it as well. | ||
| Well, there's a bunch of different kinds. | ||
| There's the regular Google Glasses, which a lot of people have seen, which is a very small lens that sits on like mock frames. | ||
| It looks like a glass frame without any glasses in it. | ||
| And then there's one small window. | ||
| But that didn't really catch on. | ||
| So what they're working on now is contact lenses that do the same thing. | ||
| But the glass thing, you had a little swipe thing, and you could swipe left and right and move it around. | ||
| Like I could say, I could Google Gary Clark images, and I would see in that little tiny window images of you. | ||
| And I could just swipe through them. | ||
| You could say, navigate to the Hollywood Bowl. | ||
| And it would show you, Google Maps, how to get to the Hollywood Bowl. | ||
| And it would talk to you in your ear. | ||
| But people didn't like it because it looked goofy. | ||
| And when people were wearing them, other people got pissed off. | ||
| Like, are you filming me? | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Because you could film with them too. | ||
| So now they've moved to contact lenses, which they haven't really released yet, but they're working on them. | ||
| And then there's another one that's way crazier, which is like goggles. | ||
| These are like ski goggles. | ||
| And when you put these motherfuckers on, you're going to be able to play video games in 3D space. | ||
| You're going to have like three-dimensional... | ||
| Holograms around you. | ||
| That's the thing I was wondering about. | ||
| Is that called Magic Leap or no? | ||
| Magic Leap is a one. | ||
| Magic Leap and the HoloLens by Microsoft. | ||
| That's the one with the goggles, right? | ||
| The HoloLens. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| This is just step one. | ||
| I've actually been talking about this on stage recently because I'm actually kind of freaked out about it. | ||
| That we're gonna enter a world within the next hundred years where artificial reality is indistinguishable from regular reality. | ||
| It's the matrix. | ||
| It's 100% going to happen. | ||
| If we don't blow ourselves up, if we don't die from disease, if we don't get hit by an asteroid, we're going to be able to figure out a way to trick the mind into thinking it's experiencing things that it's not experiencing. | ||
| How long it takes is just subjective, but whatever the amount of time it is in the history of the universe or the history of this planet, it's a blink. | ||
| And in one blink, you're not going to be able to tell whether reality is real or not. | ||
| You're going to be able to plug into something, and you're going to be able to have artificial experiences. | ||
| So, like, we could do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We might be doing it right now. | ||
| That's what's fucked up about it. | ||
| When scientists study artificial reality, and they study what they call computer simulation theory, the real mindfuck is, it's hard to tell whether or not this is a simulation. | ||
| And that it's very likely that it could be that our entire universe could be some sort of a massive simulation that we're experiencing. | ||
| It might not even be like a computer simulation. | ||
| It might be some sort of a simulation that's going on like at a cellular level, like some sort of a mass hallucination. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, these are not my theories, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think about that. | ||
| These are not, you know, my ideas. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even know what to say about that. | ||
| Well, just think about what you said, right, about Google, right, about being able to go to your phone and have all the answers. | ||
| When you were a kid, that was magic. | ||
| That was magic. | ||
| The idea behind that was insane just 20 years ago. | ||
| 1996, the idea of being able to do that was insane. | ||
| Everybody would be like, what in the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| You're going to be able to reach into your phone, you're going to be able to touch a piece of glass. | ||
| You don't even have to touch it. | ||
| You press a button, you talk to it. | ||
| And it'll tell you anything you need to know. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| How the fuck is that possible? | ||
| You're going to be able to watch videos on it. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| You're going to be able to watch movies on it. | ||
| You're going to be able to play hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of music on it. | ||
| It'll sound beautiful. | ||
| And it'll all be a thing that's so slim and sleek it fits right in your pocket. | ||
| Like, we're already living in some crazy movie that they didn't even predict in Star Trek. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Star Trek, they had walkie-talkies. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| I'm just getting old. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| Microsoft added a new update to what HoloLens is going to look like. | ||
| This is what they think watching sports will be like in the future. | ||
| Kind of just like what watching football, a football game might. | ||
| Oh, you'll be able to watch it in front of you? | ||
| Yeah, all sorts of like players. | ||
| You can have players and stats pop up in your like living room and get extra It looks really cool. | ||
| So everyone's just going to sit down and put these goggles on instead of having a television? | ||
| Or with the television, so you'll have extra stuff for the TV. Look at this. | ||
| I can only imagine what a UFC event, watching that would be like. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You get extra stats on the players. | ||
| That would be really cool. | ||
| Also, probably we'll put a big camera on the referee, so you'll be inside of it. | ||
| Or watch them from their view, you know what I mean? | ||
| Watch them from any player's view if you choose to, if they can pull that off with some... | ||
| Well, they probably could do that with players. | ||
| They wouldn't be able to do it with fighters. | ||
| But with Pride, they used to have a camera that they would put on the referees. | ||
| It was this crazy dorky thing. | ||
| It was like real big and clunky. | ||
| It was like a camera that sat next to their head. | ||
| And they would wear that thing. | ||
| And it was kind of cool to see it from their perspective. | ||
| But that was fairly rudimentary considering it was like early 2000s. | ||
| Like what this is going to be is going to be bananas. | ||
| But then you've got to hang out with goggles on. | ||
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You know? | |
| You and your friends have to have goggles. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I guess it's kind of like the silent disco thing. | ||
| What's the silent disco thing? | ||
| Silent disco is like where people, like a whole bunch of people Hang out in a room or a club and they have headphones on. | ||
| And there's like, there's DJs. | ||
| And you can decide if you want to go with DJ A or DJ B. And so there's a bunch of people just like dancing in a silent room with headphones on. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Like having a great time. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| And it's like, do you want a drink? | ||
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What? | |
| Oh, is this it right here? | ||
| Are you showing me this, Jamie? | ||
| So there's these people, they're dancing around, and they just have different wireless headsets on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Oh, this is crazy. | ||
| Everyone's just listening to the same thing, there's just no one outside can hear you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's good to your neighbors. | ||
| That's awesome in that way. | ||
| That's great for your neighbors. | ||
| Yeah, you don't have to be rude. | ||
| Because it's like that one asshole in your block who has a party, but his music taste sucks. | ||
| There was this party that they had near my neighborhood about 10 years ago, and it was the most fucking depressing, like, trapped in the... | ||
| It was like... | ||
| I'm trying to remember what kind of music there. | ||
| It was like Captain and Tennille or some shit. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| It was just like, how are they cranking this? | ||
| Like, what the fuck are they doing? | ||
| You want to show up at their house with, like, some... | ||
| That's a bad example. | ||
| I can't remember what it was because I blocked it out. | ||
| Childhood molestation. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| They were playing this fucking terrible, but it was like this asshole was playing it loud. | ||
| It was so loud, there's no way he was enjoying it. | ||
| He was enjoying showing off that he was having a party with this shitty music that him and his dying friends were playing. | ||
| What do you listen to? | ||
| I listen to a lot of classic rock. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| As I get older, it just seems like I'm becoming that old dude that listens to classic rock. | ||
| I listen to a lot of Leonard Skinner, a lot of Hendrix. | ||
| I've been listening to a lot of... | ||
| Boy, just almost anything from the 60s and the early 70s is a lot of what I listen to. | ||
| I listen to a lot of Creedence lately. | ||
| Creedence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| I... Fogarty's voice used to kind of mess me up, but I've come to accept and appreciate the tone. | ||
| It comes from a heartfelt place. | ||
| When I was younger, I couldn't... | ||
| What's he saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's certain music that you've got to revisit as you hit different stages in life, I think. | ||
| There's certain music that I wasn't into. | ||
| And then I go back now, and now I can get into it. | ||
| Credence is one of those. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, my friends in high school were into Credence, and I'm like, whoosh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In high school, people were listening to... | ||
| The Houston, like, Swisher House, Paul Wall. | ||
| That's all that cough syrup music, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That UGK, Outkast, a lot of Dave Matthews. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| Dave Matthew, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, I went to this school. | ||
| Anthony Bourdain just shut this podcast off right now. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| He's like, that's it. | ||
| We're done here. | ||
| But it was different. | ||
| Corey Morrow, Robert Earl Keene, a lot of it was different. | ||
| And some of it I've come to appreciate, and some of it I've just kind of left behind. | ||
| I like OutKast. | ||
| OutKast, they do a lot of experimental shit. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| Yeah, they're great. | ||
| They do a lot of interesting... | ||
| Didn't one dude from Outcast, wasn't he supposed to play Jimi Hendrix? | ||
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He did. | |
| Yeah, he did that movie. | ||
| I never heard about it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never heard a thing about it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It just came and went. | ||
| Did you see it? | ||
| Yeah, I saw it out here. | ||
| How was it? | ||
| It was good as far as the story. | ||
| I mean, it was... | ||
| I felt like I... Andre played Hendrix great. | ||
| There was a lot of stuff that I didn't know. | ||
| Wasn't that where they had to do different music because they couldn't use the Hendrix music? | ||
| Yeah, so that for me was kind of fucked me up a little bit. | ||
| A little bit? | ||
| Because it was recreated and then being a guitar player. | ||
| It wasn't quite hard, so it really kind of messed me up. | ||
| The story was great and I think Andre did a great job and the cast did a great job considering what they were working with. | ||
| But there was no Hendrix music. | ||
| They should have scrapped the project or paid up, paid the family. | ||
| You gotta pay the family. | ||
| If you want to make a fucking documentary or a biopic about arguably the greatest guitarist that's ever lived, you gotta use his fucking music. | ||
| And you gotta give his parents the money or whoever, whoever's alive, give him the money. | ||
| You gotta pay him. | ||
| It's the only way you're gonna do it right. | ||
| Otherwise, you're gonna get a movie like that where we don't talk about it. | ||
| And it just goes in and out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The guitar thing must drive you crazy, though, when you know he's not really playing that. | ||
| I couldn't handle it. | ||
| I couldn't handle it. | ||
| Because me, on a much lesser scale, I'm not a professional pool player, but when I watch someone in a movie and I know they can't really play pool, it's very obvious. | ||
| You see the way a guy's holding a stick, the way the stick moves in their arm. | ||
| It's like, have you ever seen someone hold a cigarette that doesn't really smoke? | ||
| And you can tell. | ||
| Like, a smoker can tell almost immediately when someone doesn't actually smoke. | ||
| Or at least someone who is not aware of how people who smoke smoke. | ||
| I'm sure an actor can figure out how to smoke like a smoker a lot easier than someone who can figure out how to play guitar and mimic it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because when I see someone who can't play pool in a movie and you're like... | ||
| You know, pool hall junkies or something like that. | ||
| I'm like, shit, get that fucking thing off the television. | ||
| It drives me crazy. | ||
| Like, that guy can't play. | ||
| He can't play. | ||
| He's doing it all wrong. | ||
| Look at his bridge. | ||
| Look at the way he's holding it. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| And that's something real similar. | ||
| I mean, real simple, rather. | ||
| It's just the movement of an arm, and I can tell. | ||
| But for fingers and keys and the way a guy's sounding, I mean, they must be bananas to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it drove me nuts. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what to say. | ||
| I was like, fuck, somebody fix it! | ||
| Yeah, what the fuck, man? | ||
| How do they not have, like, a coordinator? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| Unless you're bullshit, and unless it's, like, a crazy kung fu movie. | ||
| Like, obviously I have a connection to martial arts where if I know someone's doing something that's not really going to work, it'll drive me crazy. | ||
| But if he's like, wah! | ||
| Like, fucking pulling people's hearts out and flying through the air and throwing sidekicks through buildings, I'm willing to suspend disbelief. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But you can't do that for Jimi Hendrix in a fucking biopic. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I got a question for you. | ||
| One of my favorite shows growing up was Kung Fu with David Carradine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did you feel about that? | ||
| Oh bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I loved it when I was a kid, though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you watch it now, and you're like, what? | ||
| But it was basically fighting people who didn't know how to fight. | ||
| Like, there was no one who fought. | ||
| Like, some dude came out who was a legit Muay Thai fighter, started kicking his legs. | ||
| David Carrotine, you know, pulled his throat out and killed him. | ||
| Was that some drunk guy with the beer mug? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't think he really learned kung fu for that show. | ||
| I don't know, but it didn't seem like he did. | ||
| It seemed like he had very little that seemed like a real martial arts move. | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| I recently went back a couple years ago and bought the series and watched the whole thing, because as a kid I loved it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll put it on. | ||
| Here you go, son. | ||
| Learn something, you know? | ||
| Lessons about how not to be an asshole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, yeah, but I watched it recently, and I was wondering, I was like, what are these guys? | ||
| You know, guys who, like, really know what's up. | ||
| How do you feel about this? | ||
| Because I don't know, you know what I mean? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So. | ||
| Yeah, no one respects it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But it was a good show in terms of it was interesting. | ||
| If you take out the martial arts element of it, it's an interesting show. | ||
| You got this guy who's raised in a monastery and then he's wandering through the Old West. | ||
| It's kind of a cool premise. | ||
| The premise behind it is really interesting. | ||
| You know, and he was like this real calm, peaceful guy who wasn't an asshole at all. | ||
| He could not have been nicer. | ||
| And that was a unique character because there really had never been anybody on television that was like that. | ||
| Just like this enlightened, peaceful guy. | ||
| You know, he had long hair and shit. | ||
| He's just kind of a hippie and he's wandering through life and people keep fucking with him. | ||
| They just keep fucking with him. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It was interesting in that way. | ||
| It made a lot of people want to pretend they're that guy, I'm sure. | ||
| I was one of them. | ||
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I was definitely one of them. | |
| Like how so? | ||
| How so? | ||
| How were you one of them? | ||
| I mean, just the attitude. | ||
| I was waiting for a moment. | ||
| I wish somebody would so I could quiet Chang Kang now. | ||
| That's the opposite, though. | ||
| He wished somebody would be peaceful. | ||
| Right, I know. | ||
| And you're like, I wish somebody would. | ||
| I know, but I just, I mean, I was a kid, so I, you know, I loved that. | ||
| Speaking of being inspired, man, you know, one of my favorite things that I love to do, which I haven't done in a while, was, you know, catch up and watch the UFC, you know, and get into that. | ||
| And I was sitting around and Starting to kind of feel like a piece of shit drinking too much and whatever and so I was you know looking at these guys you know training and doing what they do so it kind of inspired me to get on my bike and get the heavy bag and get on the weights and do my thing and I was really into it I haven't been been keeping up for a while and I kind of got the gut to show it and I'm working on it I need to get back on my game is what I'm saying. | ||
| Do you want to train while you're in LA? Is that what you're saying? | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| I'll find you a place. | ||
| I need to. | ||
| I need to do something. | ||
| Well, we'll talk off the air, and I'll get you. | ||
| Are you interested in taking jujitsu, or what are you interested in doing? | ||
| Well, whatever is kind of right for me and my build. | ||
| I don't have a whole lot of time, but I'm definitely interested in getting back into it and getting my mind focused. | ||
| The reality is there's different styles of jiu-jitsu that are great for every build. | ||
| And when I say different styles, I mean different approaches. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu is so broad. | ||
| There's so many different techniques and so many different strategies and so many different moves and counter moves that your build is perfect for jiu-jitsu. | ||
| You're long and tall. | ||
| You have long arms and long legs. | ||
| And you can catch people in chokes that a stubby little dude like me can't. | ||
| Because I have short arms and short legs, you know? | ||
| But different builds like mine are better for certain positions. | ||
| There's this guy, Husamar Palhares, who's like me but more exaggerated. | ||
| He's way thicker and more muscular and he just tears people's legs apart. | ||
| He's a leg lock specialist. | ||
| And there's a lot of other guys that are smaller that are really fast and they're good at taking people's backs like Marcelo Garcia. | ||
| But there's a lot of tall guys in jiu-jitsu. | ||
| There's definitely an advantage. | ||
| There's an advantage of leverage, just mechanical leverage from having long limbs. | ||
| It's good for striking, too, though, man. | ||
| It's good for learning striking arts. | ||
| If I had to say, if there's one build that has the most definitive advantages, I would say tall and long, because it's harder to hit you because you're further away from me, you could hit me in a place where I can't hit you. | ||
| How tall are you? | ||
| 6'4. | ||
| You're 6'4. | ||
| I'm 5'8. | ||
| So you're dealing with all that. | ||
| You're dealing with eight extra inches. | ||
| So there's eight extra inches between, like, your head and my head, which may or may not translate as far as, like, how long your arms are, how long your legs are, but definitely there's at least a few inches of advantage. | ||
| Which means, like, if we were both throwing punches at the same time, you would hit me before I would hit you, and I probably would never hit you because of that. | ||
| Because you would hit me, like, as I was throwing a punch and I'd get fucked up, Like, that's a big advantage. | ||
| Like, Jon Jones, the UFC former light heavyweight champion, he's, like, the best at using, because he's a big, tall dude, and he's the best at, like, using that advantage. | ||
| It's one of the best advantages of being long and tall. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I'm ready. | ||
| You ready? | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| You're moving your jacket around. | ||
| I need to do something. | ||
| I know I'm, like, bawling at my fists while you're talking. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, let's do this. | ||
| Well, it's a great way to blow off energy and stress. | ||
| Yeah, I need that as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Definitely. | |
| People get addicted to it. | ||
| Like we was talking about Bourdain. | ||
| He didn't even start doing it until he was 58. And 57, 58. And now he does it every day. | ||
| He does jujitsu every day. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| He's obsessed with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of musicians get into it. | ||
| I know a lot of musicians that are into jujitsu. | ||
| Because it becomes like a... | ||
| Martial arts really are an art form. | ||
| It doesn't seem an art form to the outsider because people, they say, oh, it's just fighting, it's just brutality. | ||
| But the reality is there's way, way, way more people who are into martial arts who never get into a fight ever. | ||
| Than people who use it either in competition or use it for self-defense. | ||
| It's a form of art. | ||
| It's an expression. | ||
| And when you watch someone pull off a move, it's beautiful. | ||
| It's one of those things that seems to be only beautiful for people who understand it. | ||
| But for people who understand it, it's amazing. | ||
| I can respect it. | ||
| I kind of understand what's going on. | ||
| I can appreciate it. | ||
| Someone playing a nice solo or something and executing it well. | ||
| I can kind of get that. | ||
| What it takes to pay attention and be in that moment and execute. | ||
| It's that. | ||
| It's a bunch of other factors, too. | ||
| It's setting up an attack that either the person couldn't anticipate or couldn't figure out what to do in time. | ||
| And then it locks in. | ||
| And then once it locks in, you're like, oh, it's beautiful. | ||
| It's like a painting or a work of art or a masterful guitar solo or any of those things. | ||
| Art is... | ||
| Your dedication and your focus and then the expression and the results of that dedication and focus in a way where, like, if I watch someone pull off a move that I don't know how to do, it's particularly beautiful to me because I'm like, oh, shit, look how he did that. | ||
| Like, there's certain moves that I'll have to replay, like, over and over and over again. | ||
| Like, I'll watch... | ||
| Certain setups like over and over and over again till I get it into my head and And I didn't this so many different ways to move the body that there's a lot of like I've been doing jujitsu since 1996 and there's still a bunch of moves that I don't know I don't understand and I have to go. | ||
| Oh, how did he do that? | ||
| How did he do that? | ||
| But today like we're talking about like with Google we're so lucky that we could just go to YouTube videos and One of the beautiful things about jujitsu is It used to be that martial arts were like a secret. | ||
| This is the secret death touch! | ||
| And nobody would tell you that secret death touch, but it didn't exist. | ||
| It was bullshit. | ||
| The reality of jujitsu is almost every move people are dying to explain to people because people love learning new shit. | ||
| People that are jujitsu artists love learning new stuff, so people that are jujitsu artists that have a new move love to put that move online. | ||
| It's a big part of the community. | ||
| A huge part of the community is sharing and openness. | ||
| So, like, everybody does seminars, and everybody teaches everybody everything. | ||
| But in the early days, it wasn't like that. | ||
| Even the early days of jiu-jitsu. | ||
| What happened was, in 1993, when the UFC was created, people first started to see jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And they were like, what the fuck? | ||
| But there was a lot of moves, like triangles, and things along those lines. | ||
| Where I had friends that would take classes at certain schools, and they would say, hey, you know, Hoist Gracie tapped out Dan Severin with a triangle. | ||
| How do I do that? | ||
| And the teacher was like, you're not ready for that yet. | ||
| Like, I can't teach you that yet. | ||
| That's a black bell technique or that's a purple bell technique or whatever. | ||
| And they just, people like turned off to it. | ||
| And then they found other more unconventional, open-minded schools that immediately taught everybody everything. | ||
| And those are the schools that became prosperous. | ||
| Those schools were really successful. | ||
| And the schools that held people back, they never produced champions. | ||
| They never produced any, like, real notable jiu-jitsu players. | ||
| And the open-minded, like, experimental schools, those are the ones that blew up. | ||
| It's really interesting in that way. | ||
| Like, the free exchange of information overwhelmingly won out in the world of jiu-jitsu. | ||
| That makes sense to me. | ||
| It does, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, how does it, like... | ||
| Like, I have a... | ||
| Same kind of appreciation for martial arts, comedy, music, anything like that. | ||
| I can appreciate the hard work and everything that goes back into it. | ||
| Do you feel the same way about martial arts as comedy? | ||
| Do you approach it the same way? | ||
| In some ways, yeah. | ||
| In some ways, it's about practice, dedication, application, and reality. | ||
| Like, if something's not funny, it's just not funny. | ||
| If people don't laugh, they just don't laugh. | ||
| And if a technique doesn't work, it just doesn't work. | ||
| You know, if you can't pull it off, if somebody chokes you, they just choked you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
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That's it. | |
| You could be a 20-year black belt, right? | ||
| And some dude catches you in a guillotine. | ||
| He's only been doing jiu-jitsu for six months. | ||
| But someone teaches him... | ||
| How to do this, grab your arm like that, pull it underneath someone's neck, wrap your legs around them, squeeze, and you can't get out? | ||
| Well, he tapped you. | ||
| Even if he's only been doing jiu-jitsu for six months, and you've been doing jiu-jitsu for 30 years, it's still real. | ||
| If a guy taps you, they tap you. | ||
| It's one of the things I love about pool. | ||
| The ball either goes in the hole, or it doesn't go in the hole. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you either knock it in the hole or you don't. | ||
| There's no, I almost made that shot. | ||
| That doesn't mean jack shit, you know? | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Oh man, I'm that asshole who says that. | ||
| Well we all say it, but you know the reality of the actual winning of the game, right? | ||
| It's a personality thing. | ||
| Like sometimes people can get really far on a bullshit personality. | ||
| And a lot of bravado, and a lot of bragging, and a lot of false stories, and then the actual application in life is they've sort of skirted through with all the dance moves and all the personality. | ||
| But they don't have any real substance to it. | ||
| That doesn't work in Jiu-Jitsu, just like it doesn't really work in comedy. | ||
| Comedy-like personality accounts for a certain amount of the audience accepting you, but... | ||
| Ultimately, if your concepts aren't there and if you don't have a good setup, if you don't know how to deliver it in a way that people are going to easily enter into their mind and they're going to carry along, then it either works or it doesn't. | ||
| There's some parallel truths in that, in martial arts and in comedy in that way. | ||
| Yeah, I'm very intrigued by all of it. | ||
| That's why I'm asking. | ||
| I'm very curious. | ||
| I want to get in there. | ||
| Well, all complex systems, whether it's music, writing, creating a movie, anything. | ||
| Complex things are fascinating to me, too, because I've never made a movie, but when I see CGI animators, I go watch this documentary on guys making animated scenes for films, like special effects scenes, and I think to myself, wow, that is fascinating. | ||
| They're creating an artificial world. | ||
| And inside that artificial world, they have these creatures moving and they have these people that have to put on these motion capture suits and go through the motions pretending they're interacting with these things that aren't even there. | ||
| And then someone has to piece it. | ||
| It's amazing to me. | ||
| It's amazing to me. | ||
| But I'm not going to do it. | ||
| I don't have any time. | ||
| But I look at that the same way I kind of look at music or the same way I look at writing or comedy or anything. | ||
| It's fascinating to me watching someone Go after something and put it together and make something that is almost unfathomable take place. | ||
| Whether it's the creation of an album, whether it's a comedy special, whether it's someone who writes an amazing book. | ||
| I love when people get shit done. | ||
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Yeah, I do too. | |
| It's a beautiful thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, as an artist, does that inspire you when you see, like if you go to see a great movie or read a great book or something like that, does that inspire you to want to create? | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't inspire me to write a book. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| But I think I kind of know what my lane is at this point. | ||
| I try to stay in it. | ||
| But yeah, I'll definitely go see a movie or read and it'll get my creative juices flowing and inspire me to be To just be better and try and contribute. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Contribute something good or be positive and make myself feel something or make somebody else feel something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It does something to me, definitely. | ||
| It's hard to describe. | ||
| I still can't describe what it is that makes this creative thing click or explain how I do what I do, but definitely seeing movies or hearing... | ||
| You know, great musicians, great guitar players, you know, it'll freak me out. | ||
| And I'll go, oh shit, my ego gets involved a little bit, you know what I mean? | ||
| And I'm like, this motherfucker. | ||
| But, you know, it's like, okay, I respect that. | ||
| Let me go get on my game and do my thing. | ||
| There's this guitar player down in Austin, Texas, who I haven't seen in a while. | ||
| And his name's Derrick O'Brien. | ||
| He's one of the greatest blues guitar players in the world. | ||
| Played, backed up Muddy Waters, Albert Collins, Albert King, everybody. | ||
| He's like in the house band at Anton's, this club. | ||
| I hadn't seen him in a while, so I go back home and, you know, I got my little reputation and, you know, people are like, oh, you know, this, that, that. | ||
| And I'm, you know, I'm like, all right. | ||
| I know my strengths and weaknesses, but I was feeling good about myself. | ||
| And then I got up on stage and let this, you know, this guy was just ripping it. | ||
| And I just, in that moment, I was like, fuck. | ||
| It's like, I ain't got shit on this guy, you know what I mean? | ||
| It was a nice reality check, so I immediately went back and started shedding, and I've been kind of doing it since. | ||
| Yeah, that's a beautiful thing about being around inspiring artists. | ||
| It's one of the cool things about being in a place like in LA or Nashville, or if you're a musician, if that's your style of music, or Austin, or anywhere where there's a good group Of people that are also doing the same thing. | ||
| It's like you use those people and they use you and everybody's like fuel for each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| I'm starting to kind of figure out the scenes here in L.A. a little bit more as well. | ||
| You know, I went out the other night and had like this jazz musicians and, you know, Really like the best of the best. | ||
| People are on top of their game. | ||
| Folks who can read charts. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Do you practice? | ||
| Are there certain clubs that a musician like you can go and just fuck around with new stuff? | ||
| For stand-ups, we'll go to the comedy store and we'll practice. | ||
| Or we'll go to the improv and we'll practice. | ||
| If I have some new bits that I'm working on, I will go there and I'll air them out. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, in Austin, there's this spot every Sunday, they'll have a blues jam, you know. | ||
| So yeah, you would either go sit in with people that you don't know or haven't played with before or whatever and try out some new chords. | ||
| Maybe you learned something fancy like a transition chord to go from the One to the five on the turnaround and the slow blues, whatever, and the key to C, whatever. | ||
| So you go work that out. | ||
| Or you bring your squad. | ||
| I mean, me and my buddy Zapata, he plays in my band. | ||
| We would go up sometimes and know a drummer that kind of knew how we flowed and a bass player who could pick up on something. | ||
| Like, we got this new track. | ||
| We're about to fuck people up with this. | ||
| Either it would work or it wouldn't. | ||
| But yeah, there was those places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of the fuel, you know, to be in those spots and be around other players and get up and do their thing. | ||
| Yeah, there's nothing like that. | ||
| For you, when you create music, do you just get an idea? | ||
| What is the creation process from? | ||
| Does it vary? | ||
| Or is there a specific creation process from the moment you get an idea to putting it to paper or to remembering it and making a song and putting the beat to it and putting the sounds to it? | ||
| It's kind of an unorganized mess. | ||
| I haven't figured out a process. | ||
| I don't think it's a mess. | ||
| I think it just comes naturally. | ||
| I'll have a guitar and I might have a chord progression and it'll just kind of stick and then I'll put a melody over it. | ||
| I'll be singing something around the house and grab the guitar and put that together. | ||
| With technology, I love being able to travel and I travel a lot. | ||
| On airplane or on the bus, I'll pull out an MPC or something and kind of put in drum tracks and build from there or whatever. | ||
| So it all just kind of depends on where I am and what I have access to. | ||
| But now having a little one, being at home, I gotta like take advantage of my time. | ||
| It's like, oh, you have an hour here, go try and make something happen. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So it's ever changing it. | ||
| But just whatever feels right, you know? | ||
| I don't think if it becomes too much of a formula, then I think it'll lose its raw, organic kind of What I got into it for. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is kind of not knowing and not having any rules, you know. | ||
| So, yeah, it just depends. | ||
| That's a real common thing that you said, that a lot of people say, that once they had a kid, they realized that their free time is actually precious. | ||
| So, because kids demand so much time, babies demand so much time, and you really don't have much, you start going, okay, the kid's asleep, let's get to work. | ||
| Because you have children than you did when you were free. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I would sit around and, you know, I was sitting a living by myself. | ||
| I'd be working on a song for eight hours. | ||
| I'd have a loop playing. | ||
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You know, and just, you know, let me go get some food. | |
| I'll come back to that. | ||
| Maybe something awesome would... | ||
| Maybe I'll get a genius idea or whatever. | ||
| I spent two months working on one song. | ||
| You don't have that much time anymore. | ||
| It's a blessing. | ||
| Get your shit together, you're either going to do it or you're not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Louis C.K. was the first person to tell me that. | ||
| It was so counterintuitive. | ||
| I was like, really? | ||
| He's like, yeah, actually, I get a lot more done now than I have children than I did when I was free to do whatever I wanted. | ||
| He's like, now I'm just under the gun all the time. | ||
| So that's how I get things done. | ||
| Yeah, well, creatively, I guess, for me. | ||
| I mean, we spend so much time out on the road, like we're gone a lot. | ||
| So, I kind of need my quiet time, and there's not really a lot of quiet time with a bunch of dudes hanging around, you know, smelling like ass. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's just a lot, and I can't really function that way, so I kind of have to be home in order to be creative and do that. | ||
| When you go on the road, do you do, like, long stretches? | ||
| Like, you go on the road for, like, two months at a time and have a bunch of dates laid out for you? | ||
| Yeah, we I mean we take off here next week and we're pretty much gone Until Maybe August is well Whoa! | ||
| I mean, we'll have a few days here and there where I'll come back home. | ||
| So do you bring your family with you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They'll come with me sometimes. | ||
| Yeah, like we just, they just came with us. | ||
| We were in Australia and, you know, just did the whole trip, you know. | ||
| That's a fucking flight. | ||
| On the planes and everything. | ||
| Woo, that flight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That flight wrecks you. | ||
| It's not my favorite. | ||
| It's not my favorite either. | ||
| I kind of hate it. | ||
| Yeah, somebody just offered me a trip to New Zealand, a vacation trip to New Zealand. | ||
| I was like, bitch, that's not a vacation. | ||
| Nah, that's work. | ||
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That's work. | |
| 16 hours in a fucking plane or whatever the hell it is? | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| There's nothing vacation-y about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's beautiful over there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, but by the time you can get over there, you're tired and you just want to go back home. | ||
| I would think that it would be a vacation for someone who didn't travel all the time. | ||
| But for someone like you or someone like me who's always traveling, it's like, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I kind of like to be at home. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm kind of boring that way. | ||
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It's like I could be in my house for like three days straight. | |
| Yeah, but that's also because you travel so much, it's in direct contrast to that. | ||
| So it's a welcome change. | ||
| Right, but I got guys on my crew who will get right off tour and just go hit it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Single guys though? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, like get off the plane, you know, from a tour and then just like bust off. | ||
| My boy went to Cuba. | ||
| You know, like, going on tour for, it seemed like, what, forever? | ||
| And then he's, like, chilling in Cuba, like, man, this seems exhausting. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Cuba is one of those places, though, I think I need to go to. | ||
| I think I need to go to it before it changes. | ||
| Yeah, so soon. | ||
| Yeah, because right now there's no internet. | ||
| They don't have any internet. | ||
| You can't keep track of your emails. | ||
| There's like a couple spots where you can get like 3G. My boy Chris Krishna found him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, he found him? | ||
| He found him. | ||
| He was like, I love it. | ||
| What's up, Chris? | ||
| He goes, I'm going down to Cuba. | ||
| I'm not going to be able to get in touch with you. | ||
| And I was like, alright, man. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Have fun. | ||
| And then I get this call from this weird number. | ||
| He's like, yo, I found the one spot. | ||
| I was like, man, why don't you just enjoy. | ||
| Chill out. | ||
| Just be off the grid for a minute. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard for people. | ||
| It's one of the things I like most about hunting trips. | ||
| A lot of them, you're in places where you don't have a choice. | ||
| You're in the middle of a mountain. | ||
| There's nothing up here, dude. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| You might be able to get to the top of a mountain and send someone a text message. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They might not be able to reply. | ||
| They might not even get it. | ||
| They might just get lost in the air somewhere. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of where I need to go to go write my songs and stuff. | ||
| Just get out. | ||
| So, hunting trips. | ||
| Dude, I saw this thing with you. | ||
| It's like this big ass... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Like a moose? | ||
| Oh, a moose leg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like walking through the airport, walking through somewhere, and I was like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| I felt like this small of a man. | ||
| I was like, dude, this guy's beast mode right now. | ||
| Well, that was intentionally... | ||
| They wanted to make something that was as in your face about the realities of meat as possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, I got into this with some... | ||
| People on Twitter the other day, I like to troll vegans occasionally. | ||
| I see. | ||
| Because someone was making some stupid shit saying that saturated fats are terrible for you. | ||
| No, they're not. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| There's scientific studies that show saturated fats are actually healthy for you and important for you. | ||
| But people think that if you hunt or if you're involved somehow in animals, sometimes eating animals, that you're a cruel person. | ||
| You want to hurt animals. | ||
| You want to cause pain and suffering. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't want to have anything to do with factory farming. | ||
| Because I don't want to be involved in that. | ||
| But... | ||
| The animals that I'm out hunting, if I don't get them, a wolf's getting them, or a coyote's getting them, or a mountain lion's getting them. | ||
| They're not living forever. | ||
| They have a very short window of time where they're alive. | ||
| If a deer makes it to six years old, that is a really old deer. | ||
| And most of them, they die long before that. | ||
| What I'm doing is I'm dipping my feet into that wild world. | ||
| And I'm pulling something out of it and that's where I get all my protein from or all my animal protein. | ||
| I love animals. | ||
| I think they're amazing. | ||
| I have cats at home. | ||
| I have dogs. | ||
| It's not a cruelty to animals thing and this is something that I used to think of, when I thought of hunters, I saw some television show where this hunter had a dog, and he's petting his dog. | ||
| I was like, how does this motherfucker differentiate between this dog and some deer? | ||
| He's going to shoot his lungs out. | ||
| That's kind of fucked up. | ||
| This guy's weird. | ||
| But then I got it. | ||
| The dog is a killer, too, man. | ||
| Life eats life. | ||
| And it's not a matter of being cruel. | ||
| It's a matter of sustainability and being alive. | ||
| Then there's the reality of hunting that not everybody can hunt. | ||
| Not everybody has the time. | ||
| Not everybody wants to, especially in the world that we've grown up in with cities. | ||
| Something that took me several years to sort of get into it and really understand what it's all about and educate myself. | ||
| And then once I did educate myself, one of the most compelling things was how... | ||
| Ignorant most people are about the facts of hunting, about the facts of wildlife, about wildlife management, and about just where their food comes from. | ||
| And even about how many animals die making grain. | ||
| When people say, you know, I only eat quinoa and fucking alfalfa. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| That shit's getting chopped up in a combine, and it's chewing up bunnies and fawns and rats and mice and sparrows and ground-nesting birds and... | ||
| And you're removing the habitat when you're growing food like that for a lot of different wildlife. | ||
| The wildlife gets displaced, and the displaced wildlife wind up getting preyed on. | ||
| There's a lot of factors involved in gathering food. | ||
| And when we're living in cities, we're living in this bizarre, natural environment. | ||
| And when I say cities are a natural environment, they are a natural environment, because they're everywhere. | ||
| They're a natural environment for people. | ||
| Like anybody says, the cities aren't natural, man. | ||
| Well, how come there's so many of them? | ||
| Like, what is nature? | ||
| What is a beehive? | ||
| Is it a beehive nature? | ||
| A beehive is nature, right? | ||
| Well, that's a fucking bee city, okay? | ||
| They've created a city. | ||
| They know how to do it. | ||
| They do it everywhere. | ||
| That's the same goddamn thing people do. | ||
| We create these super complicated beehives, we call them cities, and we create them all over the world. | ||
| It's not like there's one city and we're like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| The cities are everywhere there are people. | ||
| When people figure shit out and they have electricity and they have agriculture, then they have surplus, And then they put up fucking walls and make buildings and then boom, we got a city. | ||
| And they're everywhere you look. | ||
| I think there's just some strange detachment from where our food comes from when it's shipped in in trucks all the time. | ||
| Education into the world of hunting a big part of it was like to try to figure out like I Try to figure out bizarre things like things that don't make sense to me I try to figure out I try to figure out all sorts of weird misconceptions and misunderstandings I this what fascinates me about people that are involved in cults so it fascinates me by people that have bad conceptions or bad thoughts about psychedelics that are untrue and People think that certain things are going to make you go crazy and lose your mind. | ||
| Well, why is that? | ||
| What makes people... | ||
| Oh, well, there's propaganda films from the 1930s. | ||
| Well, what started that? | ||
| Well, it was a guy named William Randolph Hearst who actually profited from marijuana being illegal. | ||
| Like, oh, okay. | ||
| And then you get... | ||
| I'm fascinated by shit like that. | ||
| So the food thing was always fascinating to me. | ||
| Like, how can we just go to a store and you get a piece of meat? | ||
| And we have no idea where the fuck this meat came from. | ||
| We literally just... | ||
| We don't even care. | ||
| We throw it in the supermarket, you know, throw it in the cart... | ||
| Go to the supermarket, give that guy a piece of plastic, he runs it through the machine, and you're out the door. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| It's very odd when that's a piece of life. | ||
| Yeah, I think about that too, but I don't hunt. | ||
| But do you eat meat? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I'm guilty, completely. | ||
| But it's not guilty. | ||
| It's normal to eat meat. | ||
| Everybody, like 90%, this is a fact, of the world eats meat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 90, 95, depending on who you ask, but it's at least 90. Of the world eats meat. | ||
| Even vegetarians. | ||
| Some asshole said to me the other day, it was hilarious, he goes, I'm 90% vegetarian and I think, oh, shut the fuck up! | ||
| You can't say that. | ||
| Yeah, how do you do, how? | ||
| That's not 90% vegetarian. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| There's no such thing as 90% vegetarian. | ||
| You are 100% not vegetarian if you eat meat. | ||
| That's not 90% vegetarian. | ||
| He's an asshole. | ||
| He's a convenient, moral, high ground asshole who's just trying to let everybody know he's better than you because most of the time he doesn't eat meat. | ||
| Just fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, I'll just go ahead and shut the fuck up. | ||
| Well, he was just trying to make an argument against hunting and about people who do it. | ||
| He's a fool. | ||
| But it's convenient for people because they're completely detached on a daily basis. | ||
| If you go to your office every day, you wake up in the morning, you have your breakfast, you drive to work. | ||
| You go to work. | ||
| At the end of the day, you go to the gym. | ||
| You go home. | ||
| You watch a little television. | ||
| You crash. | ||
| You get up in the morning. | ||
| You do that again. | ||
| You do it five days a week. | ||
| You're left with two fucking days. | ||
| Two days, Saturday and Sunday, if you're lucky. | ||
| And if you have family, those days are spoken for. | ||
| If you have friends, those days are spoken for. | ||
| If you have hobbies, those days. | ||
| So where's your gathering food come from? | ||
| You have to make a concerted effort if you really want to be a part of this organization. | ||
| If you really want to deeply understand where your food comes from, you have to make a concerted effort to either grow it or acquire it. | ||
| Somehow or another, you have to go to a farm and talk to the people that are growing the food and buy it from them. | ||
| Go to a farmer's market. | ||
| You can meet them. | ||
| I go to farmer's markets. | ||
| It's kind of cool. | ||
| I like meeting the people that work on the farms. | ||
| I ask them and talk to them about it. | ||
| But the meat thing is the big detachment. | ||
| Everybody kind of understands. | ||
| You plant a seed, you water it, a tomato comes out. | ||
| They kind of get that. | ||
| But the animal part, the vast majority of people who eat meat just do not understand the whole process. | ||
| They don't want to know. | ||
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They just buy a burger. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm starting to know a little bit more and it freaks me out. | ||
| It's a freak out. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| It's a freakout. | ||
| I haven't quite switched over to... | ||
| Veganism? | ||
| Or going out and hunting? | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| Well, my thought was I was going to do one of two things. | ||
| I was either going to become a vegan or I was going to become a hunter. | ||
| And I became a hunter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And one of the reasons why I became a hunter is, first of all, the food's delicious. | ||
| It's good for you. | ||
| And those animals aren't not... | ||
| They're not living forever. | ||
| They're not becoming fairies and curing cancer if you don't shoot them. | ||
| And they're getting eaten by all kinds of shit around them. | ||
| You're just eating them as well. | ||
| It's a weird disconnect that we have about where food comes from and life itself. | ||
| Life is not permanent. | ||
| It's temporary. | ||
| It's here and it's gone. | ||
| It's fleeting. | ||
| It should be respected. | ||
| And I think one of the best ways to respect these animals, and it sounds totally counterintuitive, But it's to hunt them and eat them. | ||
| They become a part of your life. | ||
| They sustain you. | ||
| You have a deep appreciation for them because they literally sustain you. | ||
| They're a part of what makes you live. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you live in Texas. | ||
| A lot of hunting in Austin when you were living there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of my friends... | ||
| You know, they hunt. | ||
| So you know, they're big on it. | ||
| Did you ever want to go with them? | ||
| I did, but I had a couple of experiences with guns when I was younger that kind of freaked me out from that. | ||
| One of them was me being a kid, and I had a play gun, and I kind of colored the red kid safety thing. | ||
| Me and my buddy, so he had this daisy rifle. | ||
| I had this little... | ||
| I don't remember what it was. | ||
| We're just messing around, acting like kids, and then this guy comes driving. | ||
| Point the gun at him. | ||
| And the guy swerves off the road, hits a mailbox, crashes his car, gets out. | ||
| He's like, what the fuck are you guys doing? | ||
| You know, I'm nine. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| He's like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| You could have killed somebody. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| We're just like toys. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And his mom comes out, freaking out. | ||
| They didn't know that we did it. | ||
| My pops was like, you know, you got to understand this life, death here. | ||
| This is serious. | ||
| You got to understand this guy didn't know that you Yeah. | ||
| So it kind of freaked me out and then I went on one hunting trip and I had a 22 and it kicked me in the shoulder pretty good. | ||
| A 22 kicked you? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not a 22. A 12 gauge. | ||
| A 12 gauge. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So yeah, it kicked me in. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| Trying to pussy? | ||
| That's like saying, man, I shot this slingshot one time. | ||
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Yeah, dude. | |
| It just broke my hand. | ||
| Fucked me up. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Yeah, it's about the 12-gauge out, and it kicked me pretty hard. | ||
| So I just kind of lost interest, but that was a long-ass time ago. | ||
| Suzanne from Honey Honey wants to go pig hunting. | ||
| She's so down. | ||
| She keeps bringing it up. | ||
| She's like, when are we going, Joe Rogan? | ||
| When are we going pig hunting? | ||
| She's totally down to do it. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Yeah, my boy Mike Weed, that's what he does all the time. | ||
| He's a little outside of Austin. | ||
| He's always going, sending me photos, sending me videos. | ||
| Well, in Austin, outside of Texas, they have a giant problem with pigs. | ||
| They have to hunt them. | ||
| Yeah, you can go to town on them. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| They have no limits. | ||
| They do them from helicopters. | ||
| I mean, they have a whole business called hella hunting where they take people up in helicopters and they're shooting pigs because it's the only way to eradicate them from farms because there's so many of them. | ||
| And they do billions of dollars worth of damage just in Texas in crop destruction every year. | ||
| They're wild. | ||
| I mean, there's not enough mountain lions and there's no wolves to kill them. | ||
| I didn't realize they were so dangerous, too. | ||
| Oh, they're very dangerous. | ||
| The big ones, especially. | ||
| They'll fuck you up. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| That's also why I don't go out there. | ||
| They'll fuck you up. | ||
| They killed the dad in Game of Thrones, right? | ||
| The first king, the original king. | ||
| The one who her husband, the chick who was fucking her brother in the Game of Thrones, the hot blonde lady, her husband died because he got killed by a pig. | ||
| Wait, is this in the show? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The show, Game of Thrones. | ||
| Not in real life, he didn't die. | ||
| I mean, in the movie, he died from a wild boar. | ||
| But they get fucking big, too. | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| I mean, a 400-pound wild hog is not uncommon. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| I've never seen one of them in real life. | ||
| They're crazy looking. | ||
| They're all black and they have long snouts and their tusks come out. | ||
| They have these white tusks. | ||
| Like when you see one in real life, you're like, oh, you hear them in real life? | ||
| First time I ever went pig hunting, I was with my friend Steve Rinella and we're on this farm or this ranch that's not far away from here. | ||
| It's Huge. | ||
| Biggest ranch in California. | ||
| 270,000 acres. | ||
| It's called Tohono Ranch. | ||
| And we were walking down this road and we heard some snaps and some noises in the bushes. | ||
| Like, it's a really thick brush. | ||
| And then we heard these pigs fighting with each other. | ||
| And they were like demons, man. | ||
| And they're like, no more than 30 yards, 20 yards away from us. | ||
| They're like right there. | ||
| And they're duking it out. | ||
| And they're like, these are monsters, man. | ||
| They sound like monsters. | ||
| They freak me out more than hunting bears, more than hunting elk. | ||
| Not more than elk. | ||
| Elk's probably the biggest freakout because they scream. | ||
| They bugle and they're like a thousand pounds and they're like majestic. | ||
| Like they have trees growing out of their head. | ||
| These giant antlers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you see the antlers that are in the front? | ||
| They're over by the front door when you walked in. | ||
| That's elk. | ||
| That's like a thousand pound animal with these gigantic elk. | ||
| I mean they're... | ||
| Immense, immense, majestic animals. | ||
| Those are the biggest freakouts. | ||
| Just because you feel like you're hunting some mystical creature. | ||
| Where do you find those? | ||
| Those were in Tejon Ranch, too. | ||
| One of them was. | ||
| One of those was from Tejon Ranch. | ||
| One of them was from Colorado. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| But the pig thing is... | ||
| It's actually... | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| Look at the size of that thing. | ||
| 11-year-old hunter bags a 1,050-pound wild boar. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Just what the fuck? | ||
| First of all, with a pistol. | ||
| This is a perspective shot, which is actually kind of important because that boy is way behind that thing. | ||
| He's not right next to it. | ||
| So if he's behind it by just six or seven feet and the camera's on the ground, they're shooting it at eye level, it makes it look a lot bigger than it really is. | ||
| That's how they do it. | ||
| But a thousand pounds is a fucking thousand pounds. | ||
| That's a giant-ass pig. | ||
| Have you ever seen Hogzilla? | ||
| Have I seen it? | ||
| Have you seen the images of Hogzilla? | ||
| Have you heard of this? | ||
| This is like one of the biggest wild pigs that was ever killed. | ||
| I believe it was in Georgia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did they have a photo of Hogzilla? | ||
| There's one where it's hanging. | ||
| There, that one right there, Jamie. | ||
| Look at the size of the one that's hanging next to this guy. | ||
| Look at the fucking size of that thing. | ||
| So that's not a perspective shot. | ||
| That guy's standing right next to that thing. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, what? | ||
| First of all, are those his balls up atop? | ||
| Because if that's his balls, respect. | ||
| That's a crazy sack. | ||
| That's like a couple of watermelons in an old lady's pantyhose. | ||
| Yeah, that's...what? | ||
| It's a giant fucking...giant balls. | ||
| How big was it? | ||
| Over a thousand pounds. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Originally, it was widely considered a hoax. | ||
| Well, what happens is domestic pigs are one of the few animals that morph automatically when they get out into the wild. | ||
| Like, if you have a pig and he's your buddy... | ||
| And you let them loose out in the forest, they change physically. | ||
| Their nose gets longer, their hair gets shaggier, and their teeth grow longer. | ||
| Their tusks grow. | ||
| And their behavior changes. | ||
| They go feral. | ||
| And they go feral really quickly. | ||
| I think within, like, a couple of months, they start physical transformation. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're a weird animal. | ||
| Like, wild boars and wild pigs. | ||
| Like, when you see a wild boar, like, dark hair, thick, scruffy. | ||
| And then you see a pig, like, at a farm. | ||
| Same species. | ||
| Same animal. | ||
| Which is fucking nuts. | ||
| It's all one genus. | ||
| It's called Sue Scroffa. | ||
| That's the type of animal it is. | ||
| And they can interbreed with each other. | ||
| They're the same thing. | ||
| And that's why when you go see wild pigs, like domestic pigs, they get loose and they become feral and then they start breeding in the wild. | ||
| They're black. | ||
| They have a thick, thick coat around where their neck area is because they fight. | ||
| And they tear each other apart. | ||
| So all around, like from their face down to like where their heart is on their chest, is this super thick, thick hide. | ||
| Like the thickest, like a shoe. | ||
| Like the bottom of a shoe. | ||
| It's incredible how thick it is. | ||
| So, people that hunt them, you have to be careful with bows and arrows that you don't hit them in that area. | ||
| Because if you have a weak bow and you're not pulling back a lot of weight with a really sharp arrow, it won't even go through them. | ||
| Do you use a bow? | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Man, I had no idea. | |
| There's this girl, she works at this hat shop, and I walked in, and she's got this pet fucking pig, so I can just imagine that thing, like, getting loose for a couple of months, like, have you seen my... | ||
| Was it a pot-belly pig, one of those little ones? | ||
| Yeah, is that the same deal? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I think pot-bellied pigs are like a chihuahua. | ||
| You know, a chihuahua, the reality of domestic dogs is that domestic dogs all share genetics with a wolf. | ||
| Which means somehow or another, we don't exactly know how they did it, but through selective breeding, a wolf became a chihuahua. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was having this conversation with a buddy in Australia about how a chihuahua became a chihuahua. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
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Magic. | |
| We didn't know. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| We were just like, that's how fucking crazy he's at. | ||
| Well, there's no clear map. | ||
| It's not like, you know, like a liger. | ||
| You know what a liger is? | ||
| Like a lion mates with a tiger and makes a liger. | ||
| Which is badass. | ||
| Yeah, pretty badass. | ||
| Well, they also, they're so big. | ||
| I think it's a male lion and a female tiger. | ||
| Or maybe a male tiger and a female lion. | ||
| But it has to be that specific combination. | ||
| And what happens is when that combination takes place, they don't receive the gene that regulates size. | ||
| So they keep growing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're sort of enormous. | ||
| They're way bigger than a lion and way bigger than a tiger. | ||
| Like, ligers are enormous. | ||
| They don't even seem real. | ||
| That's why they were Napoleon Dynamite's favorite animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Classic. | |
| Classic, by the way. | ||
| But see, that makes sense, right? | ||
| A lion mates with a tiger. | ||
| You can see that they have similarities in their features. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| But chihuahuas... | ||
| and all domestic dogs we don't really know we there's a lot of speculation and they believe that wolves became friendly with people because we're feeding them and then they become more docile like there was a Radiolab podcast that talked about breeding foxes and within a decade they had killed they were breeding foxes and they would kill any fox that showed any sort of aggression or any and that there was trying to be dominant The growl at people, any unfavorable characteristics, they killed them. | ||
| And within 10 years, the genes changed to the point where all the foxes had droopy ears. | ||
| Their jaws became less masculine. | ||
| They became smaller. | ||
| Their behavior completely changed. | ||
| They all became like a domestic pet. | ||
| Within 10 years, they literally became a different thing. | ||
| And so the thought is... | ||
| That this is what happened with wolves. | ||
| And that wolves being around campfires with people, like primitive, primitive people, like tens and 20,000, 40,000 years ago, that we slowly but surely started having relationships with these animals where they would protect us from the other wolves because we would feed them. | ||
| And so they would become more docile and more dependent upon us. | ||
| So they would give in. | ||
| They would be... | ||
| Submissive to us. | ||
| And so their ears started to flop like a dog's ear. | ||
| And, you know, they became less aggressive. | ||
| They would respond to people. | ||
| You could train them and teach them to hunt with you because they got a reward out of being a part of the community of people. | ||
| And then you would raise them from the time they were puppies, and they'd be even more inclined to go like that. | ||
| So someone would find wolf puppies and raise them so they would imprint on people and be even more likely to exhibit those behaviors. | ||
| Yeah, but what kind of people are you hanging out with to become a chihuahua? | ||
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| Mostly. | ||
| Some Mexicans. | ||
| I think Chihuahuas are just, it's just like thousands of years of that shit. | ||
| You know, only selecting the smaller ones, only selecting the most docile, the most diminutive features. | ||
| It's a good question though. | ||
| You know, when you get freaky with it, the real argument Is that it's very similar, in fact, to human beings. | ||
| Human beings are the only animals that vary as much in their appearance as dogs. | ||
| Like you got Shaquille O'Neal and you got Bridget the Midget. | ||
| Those are both humans, right? | ||
| How is Bridget the Midget, or Brad Williams, how is anybody who's got dwarfism, how are they different than an English bulldog? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a way, I mean, it's some sort of a strange change in the body. | ||
| And I don't mean this in any disrespectful way. | ||
| I'm just trying to be completely objective about the physical form of these people. | ||
| You know, I'm not saying that people purposely make dwarfs, but I'm saying that the physical characteristics, the differences in an English bulldog and a wolf And that's very, like, the difference between Carl Malone and Brad Williams. | ||
| I mean, those are both humans, and they both could impregnate the same woman. | ||
| Like, if a woman had a baby with Carl Malone, and then a woman had a baby with a dwarf, like, right afterwards, she still, I mean, she can get pregnant from both of them, and have a baby from both of them. | ||
| And potentially the same genetic characteristics could be passed down. | ||
| Less likely with the dwarf, but I mean, it's incredible when you think about the variation of human beings. | ||
| We can get a little tiny, like a 90-pound Asian lady, and then you can have Serena Williams, this super athlete with giant muscles and just ridiculous explosive ability. | ||
| Well, they're both female humans. | ||
| You know, it's sort of like a Golden Lab and a Rottweiler. | ||
| Those are both dogs, but they're massively different characteristics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's why, like, really nutty conspiracy people believe that human beings are created by aliens, and that much in the same way that human beings engineered dogs and changed the shape and selectively bred them to the point where they became these little chihuahuas, That's what aliens did with human beings. | ||
| They came down, they found some chimpanzees and some lower hominids and started injecting their DNA into them and slowly but surely created a series of different styles of human being. | ||
| I've heard this before. | ||
| But with the dog comparison, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know either. | ||
| I don't buy the... | ||
| The alien thing. | ||
| I think it's much more likely. | ||
| It was just different climates and different parts of the world that were isolated from each other. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think he's like... | ||
| Build bread, adapt to your situation. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah, no doubt, you know. | ||
| I mean, there's characteristics that animals exhibit that similar animals in other climates don't, like African elephants, for example. | ||
| They have enormous ears because it displaces heat. | ||
| Large surface areas displace heat better. | ||
| That's also why a lot of African men are very tall. | ||
| Very tall and long because it's easier to displace heat over a large surface area. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, Asian elephants have different ears than African elephants do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Woolly mammoths have much smaller ears because they were dealing with cold, cold climates. | ||
| Whereas elephants, you know, in Africa, when they're in the hot savannas, they have these giant ass fucking ears. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I mean, speaking from myself, my personal experience, I'm definitely much better off in warmer climates than I am in the cold mountains. | ||
| Are you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you feel it? | ||
| Can't do it, man. | ||
| Can't do it? | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| Don't you get used to it, though? | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You just feel it in your bones. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't like it. | ||
| I'm like, I don't like this. | ||
| I need to get away from this. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If it's hot, I'm like, okay, it's cool. | ||
| I can have it. | ||
| But nah. | ||
| Cold is like... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Get away. | ||
| Well, also growing up in Austin where it gets hot as fuck. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| So yeah, I did the New York thing. | ||
| Couldn't deal with the winners? | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, because I'm thinking about all the times where I busted ass and, you know, I was just like walking across the street and I step into what I think is snow and it's like underneath is like a foot of water and, you know, I'm just walking around and, you know, I got one wet foot and I'm supposed to be going to some fucking event or something or go to dinner or do whatever. | ||
| I just, I can't, I can't do it. | ||
| I mean, I can, you know. | ||
| I don't want to sound like a pussy or anything, but I can't do it. | ||
| Well, you can, but you don't want to. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| I don't want to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I fucking don't want to. | ||
| Why should you have to? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| That's why I'm here. | ||
| There's options. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, if the whole world was New York City, you could do it. | ||
| You could do it. | ||
| It's definitely better than not living. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| That's very true. | ||
| I could do it. | ||
| But you know that there's a better spot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I could adapt. | ||
| If I didn't know any better, I could adapt. | ||
| But here you are in the best spot. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| When it comes to weather, nobody can fuck with LA. That's true. | ||
| That's very true. | ||
| That's why there's so many of us. | ||
| That's why Jamie's here. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's like, he's from Columbus, Ohio. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Columbus, Ohio gives New York City the eight out and the breaks as far as shittiness. | ||
| The what? | ||
| Wait, the what? | ||
| That's a pool term. | ||
| What'd you say? | ||
| It's a spot. | ||
| It's a spot. | ||
| Like if you were playing ten ball, you give someone the eight out and the breaks. | ||
| That means if they spot, if they win, they can win if they make the eight ball, the nine ball, or the ten ball. | ||
| And they could break every time. | ||
| That's eight out in the breaks. | ||
| That's a considerable handicap. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I played pool a little bit, but I don't know. | ||
| I've been to Columbus before. | ||
| I've got this cool little venue I played at. | ||
| Columbus is great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's a great town. | ||
| They're cool people there, man. | ||
| It's a fun town. | ||
| I like Columbus a lot. | ||
| I haven't spent a lot of time there, but you definitely had a good time. | ||
| I haven't been there since I shot my special there in 2009. That's what dick I am. | ||
| Where was that? | ||
| Southern Theater? | ||
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Once at the Palace, I think. | |
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Jamie knows my schedule better than me. | ||
| That's right when I started working with you. | ||
| That's ridiculous, Jamie. | ||
| How do you know this? | ||
| And I don't know this. | ||
| That was like 2011 or 2012, right? | ||
| 2012? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Columbus is a cool town. | ||
| That's like my favorite town in Ohio. | ||
| Where else is there in Ohio? | ||
| Cleveland. | ||
| Cleveland's not bad. | ||
| Cleveland's fun. | ||
| Cincinnati's fun. | ||
| But Cincinnati, they bullshit you. | ||
| They have the Cincinnati airport in Kentucky. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's insecure. | ||
| The Kentucky people are insecure. | ||
| They should call it the fucking Kentucky airport because that's what it is, goddammit. | ||
| Don't let those Cincinnati assholes claim your city. | ||
| Wait, but how does that even... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The Cincinnati airport is actually in Kentucky. | ||
| But to get people to fly into Kentucky is problematic. | ||
| Because people have... | ||
| They have massive prejudice against Kentucky, man. | ||
| It just sounds like hillbillies, whereas Cincinnati is like WKRP. It's like Lonnie Anderson. | ||
| Everybody's having a good time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Cincinnati sounds like a nice city, right? | ||
| Well, it's fucking right next door to Kentucky. | ||
| So close that you land in Kentucky, and then you drive to Cincinnati. | ||
| So they name the fucking Cincinnati airport this Kentucky airport. | ||
| That's pretty good. | ||
| That's a pretty good one. | ||
| Sneaky. | ||
| Sneaky motherfuckers. | ||
| They did it for people like us. | ||
| I'm never gonna go to Kentucky! | ||
| These motherfuckers got me! | ||
| I swore I'd never come in this place! | ||
| But, meanwhile, there's like Louisville, where everybody goes. | ||
| Like, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the Kentucky Derby's in Louisville, right? | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| That's like a... | ||
| Everybody goes there. | ||
| But it's one of those quaint southern destinations, you know? | ||
| I like the word quaint. | ||
| Mmm, me too. | ||
| Yeah, I spent a little bit of time running around there. | ||
| I found the wildest crowds in that area. | ||
| Really? | ||
| For me, I think. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I wonder why that is. | ||
| Booze, I think. | ||
| I mean, booze happens everywhere, but I feel like people really have a good time. | ||
| Well, when I started going on the road a lot in the 90s is when I really understood NASCAR. Like, I never got NASCAR. I'm like, who the fuck is watching this? | ||
| It's not that I didn't like car racing. | ||
| It's like, who the fuck is watching these people go around in a circle? | ||
| And then I would see how big it was. | ||
| I would read statistics. | ||
| I was like, bullshit. | ||
| These fucking statistics are all made up. | ||
| No one's watching this. | ||
| And then I did a radio station I want to say it was in Atlanta. | ||
| I don't remember where it was, but I remember it was in the South, and the guy was like, did you see the race this weekend? | ||
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Man, Dale Jr. is really fucking putting it to them. | |
| I was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| And they're like, NASCAR! Tony Stewart! | ||
| And he starts naming all these people. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you're talking about. | ||
| And he was flabbergasted that I didn't know who these NASCAR people were, and that I didn't know who won the fucking Tala Cuscaloosa 555-60 race. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever the fuck name of the race it was. | ||
| He was flabbergasted. | ||
| And I was like, how many people know? | ||
| So then we had people call in that knew a lot about NASCAR while I was on the air. | ||
| I was like, you guys know a lot about NASCAR? How many people? | ||
| Oh, hell yeah! | ||
| We watch it every weekend! | ||
| And they're going crazy about NASCAR. I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| So this is a geographical, cultural thing that I'm just not privy to. | ||
| I just don't understand it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We got a little bit of taste of that in Texas. | ||
| Kind of bled over a little bit. | ||
| But Austin has a Formula One race. | ||
| That's very new. | ||
| Oh, is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How old is that? | ||
| Well, I guess, I don't know. | ||
| New enough? | ||
| Yeah, a few years have passed, I guess. | ||
| But it's, yeah, the F1... That's the shit, man. | ||
| That's a different kind of racing. | ||
| That's my style of racing. | ||
| I love watching Formula One because it's turns and craziness and strategy and, you know, that seems like some crazy shit. | ||
| Yeah, I could get more into that. | ||
| But, yeah, I didn't know shit about NASCAR either. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, different thing. | ||
| That's definitely a cultural deal. | ||
| I was driving through, you know, Alabama and, you know, the South and everything. | ||
| There's, you know, tracks and everything, you know, for amateurs. | ||
| It's like a big culture, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a big deal for those folks. | ||
| And they say it all came out of souping up their cars for moonshine runs. | ||
| I can believe it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Makes sense, right? | ||
| Get in, get out of there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get this money, get this exchange. | ||
| Which all came from the same thing that we're dealing with psychedelics. | ||
| Suppression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, suppression creates diamonds. | ||
| I mean, that's what created that kind of racing, is people trying to figure out a way to get the fuck away from cops. | ||
| So they made cars that drove faster, handled better, and they could just get away from cops. | ||
| That was the whole Dukes of Hazzard. | ||
| That's why they had the General Lee. | ||
| They weren't involved in races. | ||
| They were running away from cops. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They had some crazy, souped-up fucking... | ||
| That's why they couldn't have guns. | ||
| They always had bows and arrows. | ||
| Because the cops had taken their ability to have a firearm away. | ||
| When you're a felon in this country, you can't own a gun anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I understand. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| This podcast turned weird, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a weird one. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It was a good one, though, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So where are you performing next and how can people see you? | ||
| Where can they find out? | ||
| We're performing, doing something for the Grammys. | ||
| Oh, cool. | ||
| When was that? | ||
| The 15th, February. | ||
| Doing a tribute to the legendary B.B. King. | ||
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Beautiful. | |
| With Chris Stapleton and Bonnie Raitt. | ||
| I wouldn't be doing what I was doing if it weren't for guys like B.B. King. | ||
| It'll be cool to be able to show them some love there. | ||
| And then we just hit the road, man. | ||
| We're going everywhere. | ||
| Your website? | ||
| Yeah, GaryClarkJr.com. | ||
| And you're active on Twitter. | ||
| I see you're on Twitter all the time. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| A little bit? | ||
| I'm not as active as people say I should be. | ||
| When are you going to be in this area where I can come see you, man? | ||
| Where are we going to be? | ||
| Is there anything on there? | ||
| Does it say anything there about California? | ||
| Yeah, we'll be doing Coachella. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| Last time we did three nights at the Fonda in December. | ||
| At the what? | ||
| At the Fonda. | ||
| Henry, where's that? | ||
| Hollywood. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So yeah, we did that one. | ||
| I think we're not gonna be around here for a little while. | ||
| Well listen man, anything you got going on, anything. | ||
| If you ever want it promoted, you need any help tweeting it, come on here. | ||
| Anytime you want, you got an open invite. | ||
| Thanks man. | ||
| I'm happy you're in our town here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I hope you enjoy it and extend you as much hospitality as possible. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| And I'm a big fan, man. | ||
| I love your music. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I was listening to it on the way over here, man. | ||
| I'll show you. | ||
| Check this show out. | ||
| Likewise, man. | ||
| I've been following you for a long time. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That's my playlist on the way over here, sir. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| So, much love, sir, and respect. | ||
| Gary Clark Jr., ladies and gentlemen. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| Yeah! | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow with Tom Papa. | ||
| See you soon. | ||
| Much love. | ||
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