Feb. 4, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:53:58
Participants
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| All right, Kyle Kingsbury. | ||
| How are you, brother? | ||
| I'm doing great, brother. | ||
| I have a present for you. | ||
| This is a legit fanny pack. | ||
| Look at that, because you're a fanny pack enthusiast. | ||
| He's one of the few manly men that I could count upon to almost always be wearing a fanny pack. | ||
|
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Oh, wow. | |
| Look at that, baby. | ||
| That's a higherprimate.com special. | ||
| Oh, this is phenomenal. | ||
| You know, I wanted to get one of these back in the day, and you were out of stock for quite some time. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Because I fucking sell out of these things, believe it or not. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| These are made by Roots, and the pocket has a higherprimate.com thing stamped into it, but it's fucking high-level, baby. | ||
| I found out about that one from Dice Clay. | ||
| Dice Clay came in. | ||
| He's another fanny pack enthusiast. | ||
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I love Dice. | |
| And he had sweatpants on, and he was wearing this beautiful leather fanny pack, and I was like, Where did you get that? | ||
| Oh, it's a Roots one. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| And he took it off and showed it to me. | ||
| You know how girls would look at each other's purses? | ||
| That's what we were doing. | ||
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unidentified
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You inspected the pockets. | ||
| You wanted to see this is where my wallet and my cell phone can go. | ||
| This is where my chapstick will go. | ||
| So I bought one. | ||
| It's legit as fuck. | ||
| And then after I bought it, I was so in love with it. | ||
| I was like, could they make these for me and put my stamp on it? | ||
| And they said yes. | ||
| So the zip-up pocket, if you look at it, it has the higher primate stamp of the chimp with the light bulb above his head. | ||
| Pretty sweet, huh? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| This is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, look at the one you're wearing, bro. | ||
| It screams hiker. | ||
| It screams hitchhiker. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I got this. | ||
| Pack safe. | ||
| I got this before going to Central and South America because you can lock the zippers so people can't get into it. | ||
| They can't pickpocket. | ||
| They have cables on the... | ||
| On the band there, like, steel cables so they can't cut them. | ||
|
unidentified
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Really? | |
| They do, like, a lot of slash-and-grab stuff over there, I guess. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Let me see this thing you've got. | ||
| I need to change bands. | ||
| Survival pack here. | ||
| It's packed. | ||
| This is my travel weight. | ||
| First of all, bro, you can do curls with this fish. | ||
| This is the travel weight. | ||
| And this has cords in it? | ||
| Oh, it does. | ||
| You can feel two of them. | ||
| Steel cords. | ||
| You can't cut it. | ||
| This is incredible. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| And when you click that in there, there's three buttons to open it up. | ||
| Not your normal two-button action. | ||
| Oh yeah, one, two, and three. | ||
| This is legit. | ||
| They got the RFD card, like radio frequencies. | ||
| So if you're passing by and some little hacker's on his laptop, you can't steal all your Apple Pay information from your iPhone and shit like that. | ||
| Someone can do that? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Just walking by you? | ||
| Haven't you seen Rogue Nation? | ||
| I try not to. | ||
| I try to stay as far out of the loop with all these fucking hacker whippersnappers. | ||
| What is this bad boy? | ||
| So that's where you click all those three together and you put a lock on it. | ||
| I see. | ||
| Dude, this is impressive stuff. | ||
| If they made it out of Kevlar, it'd be even better. | ||
| Cover your dick. | ||
| You know, they make clothes now out of Kevlar. | ||
| They look like regular clothes, but you can take a bullet with them. | ||
| Like how? | ||
| The bullet would penetrate you slightly and then come out? | ||
| It's not going to feel awesome. | ||
| Yeah, but it's going to keep the bullet from going through into your body. | ||
| It'll hurt. | ||
| What do you think that would feel like? | ||
| Depends on the round, but it wouldn't feel good. | ||
| I've talked to people that have been shot with bulletproof vests. | ||
| They say it's like getting punched. | ||
| So are these plates like in pants and shit like that, or is this like some type of material that's movable? | ||
| It's both. | ||
| They have some of them. | ||
| They even have some that prevent you from knife attacks. | ||
| They have like a thick mesh Kevlar. | ||
| That seems more real. | ||
| Kind of like the chain mail the bad guy wears in Commando. | ||
| Yeah, there was a Vice documentary or a Vice piece on this guy who is known for making bulletproof clothes. | ||
| He's a tailor. | ||
| I want to say Colombia. | ||
| I think he's in Bogota. | ||
| But he's known for making really nice clothes that just happen to be bulletproof. | ||
| Like the whole deal. | ||
| Underwear, everything. | ||
| That's pretty badass. | ||
| It's pretty badass. | ||
| It's like the Kingsman guy. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| Yeah, here you go. | ||
| Israeli reporter testing a knife-proof vest ends up getting stabbed. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Well, that's not good. | ||
| He actually got stabbed all the way through, or just a little bit? | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| This is a commando knife, and he's just gonna fucking stab him with his thing? | ||
| Is this guy doing sign language in the lower left? | ||
|
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Yeah, he actually is. | |
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| We wouldn't pick up the stab here penetrating through I missed he said Yeah. | ||
| The fucking dude's gonna be bleeding. | ||
| That dude downplayed it pretty well for getting stabbed. | ||
| Yeah, he took it quite easily. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
|
unidentified
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I guess it works. | |
| I guess it works a little bit. | ||
| I mean, it's definitely better than not having that on. | ||
| He would be dead. | ||
| Works sometimes. | ||
| It works a little bit. | ||
| It's like, stab me like this, that living color. | ||
| You're doing it wrong. | ||
| Stab me like this. | ||
| Well, you've seen those martial arts demonstrations where those guys do that. | ||
| They come at you with a knife. | ||
| And then the other guy has to grab your wrist. | ||
| That's the stabbing technique. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They say that the best way to knife fight is actually to put your arm forward, you wrap your clothes around your arm, and put a knife in your backhand. | ||
| Meanwhile, why the fuck do I know what the best way to knife fight is? | ||
| What are the odds you're ever going to get in a knife fight, like you and another guy on the beach, like circling each other with a knife and your jacket wrapped around your forearm? | ||
| And beat it starts playing. | ||
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unidentified
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | |
| They were switchblades, right? | ||
|
unidentified
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Mm-hmm. | |
| They had a little knife fight. | ||
| They were tied together. | ||
| People used to do knife fights in the movies. | ||
| Remember those? | ||
| That was like a big thing in movies. | ||
| Even back in the old musicals. | ||
| What was that, West Side Story? | ||
| They had the knife fights. | ||
| Did Saturday Night Fever have a knife fight? | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| It did, right? | ||
| They had a knife fight, too. | ||
| What the fuck is wrong with people back then? | ||
| All the cocaine. | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why did the cocaine kick in? | ||
| It was in the 80s, right? | ||
| I think it was around in the 70s and it just got giant in the 80s. | ||
| Have you watched Narcos? | ||
| No, but I hear it's awesome. | ||
| Actually, Eddie Bravo always talks about how it's just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's hooked. | ||
| He got me. | ||
| He got me hooked, and now I'm hooked. | ||
| I'm trying to spread the world. | ||
| Spread it to the world. | ||
| We're looking for new shows. | ||
| It's a fucking awesome show, man. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's really, really nuts. | ||
| So is it documentary style, or...? | ||
| No, there's some real footage of the actual Medellin cartel, and there's some real footage of Like the different busts and some murder footage, some bodies that they really, like some of the horrible atrocities they committed. | ||
| They show you real footage of that. | ||
| But for the most part, it just is the story of Pablo Escobar and his rise to power. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's fucking badass, dude. | ||
| It's so dope. | ||
| They just did such a good job. | ||
| Netflix just did such a good job. | ||
| It's on Netflix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| They have so much fucking money, man. | ||
| They can put together these things and make them like ten movies. | ||
| It's like ten one-hour movies. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| I can't really... | ||
| We have trouble watching regular TV now. | ||
| Like, I think HBO kind of spoiled us. | ||
| You watch a show. | ||
| I mean, even though the beauty of Netflix is that you get it all at once. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the whole season. | ||
| But even still, like, we're watching Dexter back in the day or... | ||
| And there was really only a few good seasons there. | ||
| But, you know, whatever show that's on that that you can watch straight through with no commercials and no fast-forwarding... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Night and day better than having to use the DVR and... | ||
| Or sit through the commercials. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| That's caveman shit. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's old days. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Those are the old days. | ||
| We're done with the commercials. | ||
| They need to come up with a new way to sell you shit. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, interrupting TV shows just makes me not want to buy their stuff. | ||
| There was some new comedy on TBS. I don't know why we were watching it. | ||
| But they kept showing Ford ads during the show. | ||
| And they would make, like, a little chime. | ||
| Like, bong! | ||
| And then they would have this giant Ford.com on the bottom. | ||
| Like, they were trying to do it so blatant that it was humorous. | ||
| But at the same time, it was like... | ||
| Fucking irking me. | ||
| Like, this is ridiculous. | ||
| It was some new comedy on TBS, some cheese dick cop show. | ||
| So while the show was on, the commercials playing over the dialogue and all this stuff, like distracting you? | ||
| It would just go boom, and then you'd see this thing like superimposed over the bottom of the screen. | ||
| And it was repeated, though. | ||
| Like, I mean, after the commercials, you'd see this just pop up on there. | ||
| Like, if this is the future of TV, then we're not watching this. | ||
| We're killing TV like that. | ||
| Well, that's what they're doing to try to counter DVRs. | ||
| Just stick it even more in your face. | ||
| It's fucking gross, man. | ||
| Just over the top with it. | ||
| It's just so stupid. | ||
| It's such a dumb way to advertise. | ||
| They just have to figure out a better way to let people know about their shit. | ||
| You know, just some cool way. | ||
| That's not the way to do it. | ||
| But that's neither here nor there. | ||
| No. | ||
| I love saying that. | ||
| I never get to. | ||
| It's neither here nor there. | ||
| It's neither here nor there. | ||
| So dude, I'm on that diet. | ||
| I'm on the ketogenic diet now or trying to get into it. | ||
| And you talking about it with me sort of inspired me a little bit because one of the big things a lot of people are saying, you can't do explosive activities. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Kyle Kingsbury has spoken, you fucking nerds! | ||
| Oh, you nutrition nerds! | ||
| I'll tell you what, man, if you get into any sort of a diet online or tell people you're gonna try something, the fucking experts come crawling out of the woodwork. | ||
| I've had so many people. | ||
| That's why I deleted my Facebook account. | ||
| I just couldn't stand, like, over the years in the UFC, I just would say, oh, sure, yeah, I'd allow you to be friends, allow you to be friends, that kind of thing. | ||
| And then over time, you've got 5,000 people that think they're your pals. | ||
| At least on Twitter, I follow who I want to follow. | ||
| That's that. | ||
| I'm not subscribed to any of their shit. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm sure with 1.7 million people following you online on Twitter alone, you post, you're going to do this, and people come up to woodwork about it. | ||
| I would write about like, oh, I just read this book. | ||
| It's phenomenal. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| And then everybody's got to come up with this. | ||
| Well, here's an article I found online. | ||
| I'll send you the link, and this guy's a total whack job. | ||
| He's an idiot. | ||
| This one paragraph somebody wrote is going to totally dispel and throw out the window what this guy spent years researching and putting together in his book. | ||
| Yeah, it's always like vegannews.com. | ||
| You're like, oh, Jesus, it's not a real source. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| But this diet, I've been on it now only for four days. | ||
| Today, I think it's the third or fourth day. | ||
| Let's call it the third day. | ||
| Third day, 100%. | ||
| And I had headaches somewhere around the second day I started getting a little bit of headache. | ||
| I read that on your Instagram. | ||
| But it's gone. | ||
| I got the fix for it. | ||
| What's the fix? | ||
| So a lot of people, when they transition low-carb, there's a window before you start producing ketones on your own. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can jumpstart that window with fasting, which is a total pain in the ass, especially if you're Carbohydrate dependent. | ||
| Or you can cheat it by using MCT oil. | ||
| So if you up your MCTs the first three days, kind of borderline where you might shit yourself, then you totally negate any of that really feeling like groggy, like I don't have energy, or fuck man, I can't move. | ||
| You can eliminate that completely with MCTs. | ||
| Why does MCT oil make you shit yourself? | ||
| Because it does. | ||
| It does. | ||
| And I'm not going to lie, I've shit myself at least five times in the past two years as an adult. | ||
| And not being drunk? | ||
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Nope. | |
| I don't drink anymore. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The MCTs. | ||
| I got a little cocky. | ||
| Over time, I measure everything out religiously now. | ||
| Everything's fine-tuning. | ||
| It's all personal process. | ||
| I had to start with a teaspoon. | ||
| Now I'm up to four tablespoons per pot of coffee. | ||
| I make a whole pot, blend it up with... | ||
| Two to one ratio of Kerrygold butter to the MCT oil. | ||
| Then I have my little Stevia drops, that kind of thing. | ||
| If I'm on the road, I got other stuff. | ||
| But I used to, if I was on the road and I'm having coffee, I would just take a gulp of MCT next to it. | ||
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What do you got, whipping cream? | |
| You bring your own whipping cream here? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Heavy cream, yeah. | ||
| You got to get on it, bro. | ||
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What? | |
| Unless you don't have a... | ||
| If you don't have a lactose... | ||
| That should be a meme right there. | ||
| Heavy cream, you got to get on it, bro. | ||
| You got to get on it, bro. | ||
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You got to. | |
| And I got my stevia drops here, just like Jim Carrey does. | ||
| Just like Jim Carrey? | ||
| Jim Carrey has stevia drops? | ||
| You gotta check out the coffee in cars with comedians. | ||
| Oh, he brings stevia drops with them? | ||
| Yeah, he does it when he's on Seinfeld. | ||
| It's an awesome, awesome episode. | ||
| So tell me why you have heavy whipping cream? | ||
| Well, this is, first of all, this marks this on detail earlier. | ||
| This is grass-fed, free-range, all good stuff. | ||
| I don't have a lactose intolerant or a dairy intolerance. | ||
| So let's iron that out right now. | ||
| I don't recommend this to anybody who does. | ||
| But this is an easy way to get more fat. | ||
| And that's really what you're trying to do. | ||
| We, as natural people, from a primal standpoint, went in periods of ketosis, no matter where we were on planet Earth. | ||
| So I know you were talking about the other day, like... | ||
| What is this ancestral diet stuff? | ||
| That kind of stuff. | ||
| Well, that's based on where you lived. | ||
| So if you had ancestors from the poles, then you likely had big game and fruits and vegetables and things that grew in colder climates, you know, like kale and shit like that. | ||
| If you were by the equator, smaller stuff, smaller live animals like chicken, fish, those kind of things, and then much more carbohydrate. | ||
| But both, no matter where you were from, you had periods where you didn't eat. | ||
| So that's when you'd produce your own ketones. | ||
| To remain in a ketogenic state, You really do have to have a much higher level of fat than people think, like way more. | ||
| It's counterintuitive, especially with cholesterol and things like that, but the research is out. | ||
| I mean, these guys are putting together things. | ||
| Dr. David Perlmutter wrote Grain Brain in 2013. He had research from 2013 and 2012 and 2011 all in the book. | ||
| In 2015, he followed up with BrainMaker. | ||
| Brand new studies are being put in that book. | ||
| So this is like the very latest, and what they're showing across the board is for All the mental disorders like Alzheimer's, dementia, Parkinson's, they all have to do with really high blood sugar levels over time. | ||
| So one person might manifest as type 2 diabetes, another person might get Alzheimer's. | ||
| It's just your genetic coding. | ||
| That's the genetic difference. | ||
| Eating like shit is going to get you to have that disease, you know, manifest itself. | ||
| It's just sugar itself seems to be just really, really bad for you. | ||
| It's a bad deal, yeah. | ||
| But as you'll find, it's really easy to eat too much protein on the diet, and that can knock you out of ketosis. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Eating too much protein knocks you out of ketosis? | ||
| There's a process the body does called gluconeogenesis, and this is kind of where Atkins failed. | ||
| A lot of people, even my dad would say, oh, I did Atkins, I lost weight, and I felt like shit. | ||
| You know, I had this pain across my chest, and they call it like Atkins fever, right? | ||
| You can feel like flu symptoms, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That comes from, what's your energy source? | ||
| So if people do a low-carb diet, and they think, well, I don't want to have too much fat because that's not healthy. | ||
| to fill up and have a little bit of fat and low carb. | ||
| Well now your body has to take protein and turn it back into glucose. | ||
| That's what gluconeogenesis does and your body will do it, but it's not an easy thing to do. | ||
| Fat and carbohydrates are much, much easier as energy sources. | ||
| So if you can keep protein moderate, that's why now modified Atkins or ketogenic diets, they'll tell you it's high fat, moderate protein, low carb. | ||
| So when you say moderate, how many grams of protein do you get in a day? | ||
| That's all individual for anybody, if you're working out, how you work out, high intensity. | ||
| But for you, what are you about, 220, something like that? | ||
| I weigh 225 right now. | ||
| I probably have... | ||
| Definitely under 140 a day, grams of protein. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Because the bodybuilder method was one gram per pound? | ||
| At least. | ||
| And they were doing six, seven meals a day. | ||
| Look, for putting on size, I'm not going to tell Dorian Yates how to put on size. | ||
| They eat that way specifically for gains, and that is scientifically proven to help with gains. | ||
| You're eating like a child, basically. | ||
| You have a newborn. | ||
| They eat every two hours. | ||
| And they're eating everything, carbohydrates, protein, and fat, right? | ||
| So when you want to gain size, that's the way to do it. | ||
| But for this, you don't necessarily need that. | ||
| And you can employ different methods like intermittent fasting, where they talk about skip breakfast and just eat between 12 and 7. That protein window of, oh, my nitrogen balance is lowering. | ||
| I'm going to lose muscle mass. | ||
| It's total crap. | ||
| Everybody would tell you, oh, you skip a meal, you're going to get weak, bro. | ||
| Total crap. | ||
| All the hormones that give us... | ||
| Recovery, anything like that, IGF-1, growth hormone, they all go through the roof when we don't eat. | ||
| So the longer we fast, the higher our ketone production is, the higher our anti-catabolic hormones are, so they're muscle-preserving. | ||
| Now, you could do a fast incorrectly and you go run a long race or Or if you did high-intensity stuff fasted, then yeah, you'd be running into problems there. | ||
| Well, that's because that's autolysis, right? | ||
| Your body starts to break down muscle tissue. | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| Autolysis? | ||
| Because you're working glycolytic. | ||
| This is all right in there in the Primal Endurance book by Mark Sisson. | ||
| I picked that up right after he was on the show on the old Kindle show. | ||
| I really enjoyed talking to that guy. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, that was a really cool conversation and very eye-opening. | ||
| You know, one thing that really opened my eyes or really had me thinking was they've shown on studies recently on children that have epilepsy that putting them in a ketogenic state seems to stop epileptic seizures or significantly reduce them. | ||
| That's how the diet was developed in the 1920s. | ||
| I think it was John Hopkins University, or Hospital, not University, Johns Hopkins, whatever, put together. | ||
| They had a team of guys there that figured it out. | ||
| And there's actually a guy... | ||
| Who was on the Tim Ferriss podcast, Dr. Dominic D'Agostino, who is awesome. | ||
| You gotta check him out. | ||
| I heard that one. | ||
| He's out of South Florida. | ||
| He's the guy who fasted for seven days and then lifted 500 pounds for 15 reps, did 585 for a single, then gave a lecture to 300 plus people on fasting and ketogenic diets. | ||
| That guy's a trip. | ||
| He's really fascinating. | ||
| Super fucking intelligent. | ||
| You know, like you're listening to him talk about it and how he travels with his own exogenous ketones that he throws into his food. | ||
| Have you tried those yet? | ||
| No. | ||
| How nasty. | ||
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Yeah, the rocket fuel stuff. | |
| When they first came out with it, the liquid, it is jet fuel. | ||
| I mean, it'll make you quiver. | ||
| I mean, I think that stuff tastes worse than... | ||
| The ayahuasca. | ||
| But now the new stuff, they make it with stevia. | ||
| It's all natural, flavored like orange, ketocanna. | ||
| It's awesome stuff. | ||
| You love it. | ||
| What's the thought process behind eating exogenous ketones? | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Well, here's what I've noticed. | ||
| If I'm in a ketogenic state and keto-adapted and I'm producing my own ketones, I feel a huge bump from a product like that. | ||
| Exogenous in addition, right? | ||
| If I'm in a carbohydrate... | ||
| Necessary energy system, and I haven't been in ketosis for a while, and then I have, like, oh, okay, well, I'm going to get low sleep tonight, so I want ketones. | ||
| I might feel like a slight difference, but it's not going to be nearly as dramatic as if I'm already in ketosis. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, which is odd to me. | ||
| I don't know the mechanism of how it works or if my body's just more in tune to use them when there's no carbohydrates there, but... | ||
| It's night and day. | ||
| I think the product is, they're expensive, like 75, 85 bucks for 15 servings probably. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So I wouldn't use it every day, but I'd use it for like a big race. | ||
| Tasha and I are doing a 50k in Zion coming up in April. | ||
| I'll be using them for that for sure. | ||
| And so you would do it the morning of the race? | ||
| During the race? | ||
| Like 15 minutes beforehand and then every couple hours in for sure. | ||
| And now how long have you been doing a ketogenic diet? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| At least a year and a half I've been in and out. | ||
| Obviously, I'm not going to... | ||
| There is no point where I'll never eat carbs again. | ||
| There's just too many good carbs. | ||
| Yeah, they're phenomenal. | ||
| But there's periods of times where I'll do like a 12-week block of strict ketosis or 16 weeks in a row, strict ketosis. | ||
| And what do you find when you do that? | ||
| Like, what's the difference? | ||
| The biggest thing that I feel is a cognitive boost. | ||
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Really? | |
| It's night and day. | ||
| The sharpness I have mentally is... | ||
| I mean, that's really what keeps me coming back to it is the mental clarity and focus. | ||
| And then you lose a little bit of water weight because glycogen holds water in the muscles. | ||
| So you don't lose any strength, but you lose some of that water weight. | ||
| And I just feel more flexible. | ||
| So when I do yoga and things like that, I can get into postures I can never get into when I eat carbs. | ||
| I can't get into lotus when I'm eating carbs. | ||
| Even if it's only five pounds difference in my overall body weight, I can get into lotus now. | ||
| But you can when you're in ketosis. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So where is it binding? | ||
| In your knees, in your hips? | ||
| Like, what's holding you back? | ||
| Well, you're holding water in, for every gram of glycogen, you hold four grams of water in the muscle cell. | ||
| So it makes sense if you're loading on carbohydrates, even if you're not carb loading, but if you're carb dependent, your muscles are going to hold more water than if they weren't. | ||
| Is there any benefit to that as far as like utilization of energy or ketones? | ||
| I mean, this is all coming out of Steve Finney and Jeff Volek. | ||
| They wrote The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living and The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance. | ||
| And Mark Sisson references them. | ||
| They really broke down studies on athletes in a ketogenic diet and things like that and saw exactly what kind of enhancements were being done. | ||
| And they kind of broke through the mold of what was done before when they ran tests. | ||
| You know, Gatorade was running tests and it was coming up like, hey, if you do this, you simply aren't going to be able to outperform somebody who has carbohydrates. | ||
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| But they weren't looking at somebody that was keto adapted. | ||
| So it does take six to eight weeks to make your body prefer fat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So what they were doing was just trying it on people. | ||
| They put them in a state of ketosis for like a couple of weeks and then try it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Two weeks. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Two weeks. | ||
| Six to eight weeks. | ||
| Six to eight weeks. | ||
| And other people will tell you, the longer the better. | ||
| So if you were, like, these guys that are winning the Western States 100, it's a 100-mile race, they're in it for years. | ||
| You know, you do pretty strict for a year and a half, and then you see some significant jumps in fat oxidation rates. | ||
| So how much can I break down in an hour while I'm under stress? | ||
| That changes dramatically the longer you stay in it. | ||
| Now, when you do that, is it beneficial to put on some body fat for a long race like that? | ||
| Because if you're in a ketogenic state, your body can burn off that fat? | ||
| You would have... | ||
| I can't write off numbers off the top of my head, but I mean when they talk about how much calories you can hold from glycogen pre-stored in the liver and all the carb loading you can do versus how much fat you have in your body, you could run for days. | ||
| That's why we can fast. | ||
| That's another thing. | ||
| To dispel a bodybuilder's myth on muscle, if we lost muscle dramatically from fasting, Then how would we chase down the herd three, four, five days into not having food? | ||
| We for sure evolved to be able to do this. | ||
| So we could go long periods of time and still have our explosiveness when we needed it. | ||
| And they weren't jumping on treadmills and doing stupid shit like we have to do now. | ||
| But at the same time, it was important for human beings to be able to have energy still in a fasted state for that long. | ||
| And what you're talking about, for people who are unaware, it's called persistence hunting, and it's one of the first methods of hunting that ancient people used to do and still do in parts of Africa, where they will run and chase down. | ||
| An animal like an antelope, they run very fast for short periods of time, but they overheat. | ||
| They get hot, and they get tired, and they can't run like we can. | ||
| We can run at a slower pace for way longer. | ||
| We could run all day. | ||
| Because we sweat. | ||
| And they don't sweat. | ||
| So they overheat. | ||
| And so what ancient hunters would do is just chase them literally until they dropped and they would stab them. | ||
| There's some pretty fucking trippy videos of guys doing that today in Africa. | ||
| That sounds badass. | ||
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| They just chase these animals down until eventually they just give up and then they stab them. | ||
| I can't imagine the runner's high of chasing prey that long. | ||
| And that's your food. | ||
| It's not like, oh, hey, let's spend five grand and go on a safari. | ||
| That's your food. | ||
| That must be a thrill. | ||
| It must keep you alive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to bring this back for my family. | ||
| This is not something you did while you were fighting. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, in fighting, the way I like to word this is, I used to play video games and love to do shit. | ||
| And I'm not knocking video games. | ||
| I'm in a video game coming up here. | ||
| It's going to be awesome. | ||
| You're in a video game? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Mafia 3 by 2K Games. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Do you play like a Hitman or some shit? | ||
| I'm the dude. | ||
| You're the dude? | ||
| Yeah, I'm the dude. | ||
| It's a one-player game. | ||
| It's a game that's like Grand Theft Auto. | ||
| But you don't beat up hookers after banging them. | ||
| It's a revenge game. | ||
| I'm trying to come after these guys for killing my family. | ||
| The whole thing is motion capture. | ||
| So if a guy farts, it's me in a suit doing it. | ||
| Anything he does, it's me doing it. | ||
| Wow, so how long did you have to do that for? | ||
| We're still working on it. | ||
| It's coming out this summer. | ||
| I've been doing that since I retired, last year and a half. | ||
| It's crazy how intensive video games are. | ||
| You really think about people working? | ||
| We think about the money behind it now. | ||
| Grand Theft Auto V. Grand Theft Auto V had... | ||
| This is it right now. | ||
| Oh, this is the trailer. | ||
| Mafia III. Let's see here. | ||
| Dun-dun-dun-dun. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| This is into Lake Nixon. | ||
| Ha ha ha. | ||
| I'm going to watch that. | ||
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I'm going to watch that. | |
| Fucking graphics. | ||
| How long is it? | ||
| So is this you here with the backpack? | ||
| This is me the whole way. | ||
| I had to do all that shit. | ||
| Even at the end here, I kicked this guy into the creek. | ||
| The face is different. | ||
| It's an actor named Alex from New York. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| So the facial scan and the voice. | ||
| This fucking video, the video is incredible. | ||
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All right. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Does it feel bizarre having some dude's face on your body? | ||
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Okay. | |
| No, because I've met him and he's awesome. | ||
| If he was a douche, then I would look at it totally different. | ||
| But I love the guy. | ||
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He's awesome. | |
| That would suck. | ||
| The fucking video graphics are insanely good. | ||
| This is really downplayed too, just because it's the YouTube. | ||
| When I go in the studio and see what they've done with it, and you get to play the game, the end game, they have whole teams that do the environment, whole teams that do buildings, everything you can go into. | ||
| There's not a door in the game that you can't walk into and have some type of... | ||
| Environment to play with. | ||
| Just like the hair and the grass when they were in NAMM, when they were flying with the helicopters. | ||
| Like this. | ||
| Like, look at the fucking grass. | ||
| The shadows and the grass. | ||
| This is incredible. | ||
| The facial recognition is the same stuff that Robert Zemeckis was using in his movies when they would scan in. | ||
| We flew to LA to do it. | ||
| It's pretty... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's got a dope soundtrack. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's late 60s, early 70s. | ||
| Obviously, there's some good music to choose from. | ||
| This is awesome, man. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And we get fucking some nice, gory kills for people that are into that sort of thing. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| If you want to talk about people that work hard, nobody works like, well, I don't want to say nobody, but they work some insane fucking long hours, man. | ||
| Putting together a video game, some really time-intensive stuff. | ||
| Yeah, and it's around the clock. | ||
| You see these guys when I go to the mocap studio, it's real laid back. | ||
| It's the same place they do the WWE game and the basketball game, that kind of thing. | ||
| But when you go in and you see the guys that write the code and actually make the game, you can tell they're on a deadline. | ||
| They're having to fix bugs and do all kinds of things, and it's just a grind. | ||
| They're definitely putting in extreme hours. | ||
| Yeah, it's horrific. | ||
| But what I was getting to before I jumped off on the side there was in... | ||
| In fighting, I had an idea of what I could do with my time. | ||
| And if I had a fight coming up, And I'm playing video games. | ||
| There's nothing like a deadline of this guy's gonna try to knock me out in six weeks, five weeks, four weeks, three weeks. | ||
| Every day you start to look at that day at the end of the day and say, what did I do today to make myself better? | ||
| How did I spend my time? | ||
| And if my pie chart had three hours of entertaining myself when I could have been learning about something else, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, that really instilled in me a love and a thirst for knowledge. | ||
| And that's when I started reading about... | ||
| I read more books in my fight career than I ever did in college. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| I mean, I'd have these camps where that's really how I'd spend my time, is just trying to figure out how to better myself for the fight. | ||
| Well, you were in a strange position, too, because you were a guy who came to martial arts sort of late in life. | ||
| So you came into it late in life as a great athlete who's learning all the different aspects of MMA, all the different martial arts techniques, and then competing in the highest level of the sport pretty much right away. | ||
| Yeah, that was pretty dumb. | ||
| It could have gone a lot smarter. | ||
| It could have gone a lot more intelligently, planning a career and things like that. | ||
| But really, it just all happened by storm. | ||
| I agree that that's not the way to do it. | ||
| But some people can Jon Jones it. | ||
| There's a few guys that can do it. | ||
| I talk about Jon Jones or a guy like Daniel Cormier. | ||
| You look at their wrestling background, it's not like they were doing something totally different. | ||
| They were in martial arts the whole time, whether you want to call it that or not. | ||
| They were in martial arts their whole lives. | ||
| And now they can focus on... | ||
| Look at Cormier's striking, because he didn't have to focus on... | ||
| He didn't have to spend time dividing up that pie chart into wrestling practice and other things, right? | ||
| Just a little bit will keep him sharp there, but I can really learn these other things and dive into them. | ||
| Well, it's also when you're a master at one of those things, like sort of how Damian Maia is with jiu-jitsu, he's such a master at it, that all those other things, you know, he just has to be proficient enough so he can get you in a position where he can use his mastery. | ||
| Even look at Verdum, his striking has really improved over the years because he always had jiu-jitsu in his back pocket. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| And had it on such a high level that anybody he gets to the ground with is pretty fucked. | ||
| You're in a real bad spot. | ||
| But your path was the path of the ultimate fighter. | ||
| That TV show, and not just people that are on the TV show, but people that do well in the smaller circuit, smaller shows, and then they get a couple fights under their belt, and they start looking good, and then they get the call. | ||
| Hey, we need a fight. | ||
| Someone needs to fight this guy on... | ||
| Three weeks notice. | ||
| You're willing to do this. | ||
| That's how a lot of guys get into the UFC. Fallouts. | ||
| Someone from another organization looks attractive. | ||
| They've got something going on. | ||
| This guy's got potential. | ||
| But to engineer a career correctly, you would do it sort of the same way they did with Floyd Mayweather in boxing or someone along those lines. | ||
| You would take them slowly through the amateur ranks. | ||
| Develop their skills and then test them a little bit more every fight. | ||
| A little bit more. | ||
| Give them some fights where they can work on some things. | ||
| Give them a guy who's a brawler. | ||
| Give them a guy who's a boxer but he's feather fisted. | ||
| Give them a guy who, you know, he hits really hard but he fades after two or three rounds. | ||
| And there's all these different sort of tests that you can give a boxer and know when they're ready for those tests. | ||
| And the whole time they're getting their cage or ring time in. | ||
| They're getting all the butterflies out. | ||
| They're spending more time in the pocket and inside the old telephone pole booth. | ||
| Meanwhile, with you, they just fucking put your ass in a catapult and launched you to the deepest part of the ocean. | ||
| It was quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was never a plan though, right? | ||
| It was like something that sort of came along. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Well, football ended at ASU and I was pretty depressed. | ||
| I didn't know what I wanted to do. | ||
| I knew I didn't want to have a fucking desk job. | ||
| And athletics were really my outlet in life. | ||
| You know, I hadn't discovered psychedelics or meditation or any of that stuff. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Is that you? | ||
| Inappropriate. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| I had turned it up just so I could hear you. | ||
| So, what led you to... | ||
| I started training in mixed martial arts just because I was tired of being a rat on the wheel. | ||
| You know, treadmills and lifting weights wasn't doing it for me. | ||
| And how old were you? | ||
| 26. Wow. | ||
| No martial arts at all before that? | ||
| I mean, I wrestled in high school. | ||
| So, high school wrestling background. | ||
| All four years? | ||
| Three years and two years in junior high. | ||
| Okay, that's a little something. | ||
| I was decent. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| But... | ||
| But yeah, so I got into it, and then as I was learning, there was a local guy down in Arizona, and he ran a little sleazy organization down there, and he was like, hey, you're big, and you look good, and I know you played football at ASU. Why don't you get in there and fight for me? | ||
| And I was like, I don't know, man. | ||
| I fought a lot growing up, but it's different. | ||
| It's different when you are in the moment, and you want to destroy someone versus some guy who's trained for you you've never met before. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like, do it. | ||
| Get your feet wet. | ||
| If you like it, do it again. | ||
| If you don't like it, never do it again. | ||
| But at least try it one time, right? | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| So my first fight was a 29-second victory. | ||
| Second fight was a 19-second victory. | ||
| Both knees to the stomach. | ||
| Awful, like, three months of Muay Thai training. | ||
| And then from there I was hooked. | ||
| Like, you knock a guy out, you know. | ||
| That is fucking... | ||
| There's no drug like that. | ||
| I mean, you're just like... | ||
| Just lit up on fire. | ||
| And then I started training and really... | ||
| Trying to get more serious about it, but I fought a lot of fights quickly, so there was no development in between. | ||
| I got to 5-0 inside five months. | ||
| 6-0, I signed with the King of the Cage after that, and then I was getting $100 a fight in my first five fights. | ||
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| And then I got $1,000 a fight in King of the Cage. | ||
| And after I took my first loss, I was still training out, kind of doing my own thing in Arizona. | ||
| It's before Bader and those guys had their own gym. | ||
| And so Kane was at AKA, and I'm from the Bay Area. | ||
| I was born and raised there, so it just made sense. | ||
| I knew Kane from college, but we weren't pals or anything. | ||
| I just knew him when I was playing football and he was wrestling. | ||
| I was like, oh, that's the heavyweight wrestler right here. | ||
| here's a bad dude and then when i heard he was at aka already and you already had koscheck swick fitch thompson aka was already aka you know and frank shamrock had already been there bob cook heading in with the ufc that kind of thing so it just made sense to move home and start training there full-time and that's what i did and within i think six months they got me on the ultimate fighter season eight and the rest is history wow wow | ||
| Do you ever think of it like, man, if I had to do it all again differently, I would do it slower, I would take my time more. | ||
| Yeah, there's a million changes I could have made to it, but in the end... | ||
| I'm really happy with what fighting gave me. | ||
| Fighting brought me... | ||
| I mean, I can't say, I give this all the credit here, but that doorway opened up other doorways, and those doorways opened up other doorways to me. | ||
| And that really, that was a catalyst for me having just deep peace inside. | ||
| And all these things came from... | ||
| That one little bead in fighting, you know, like wanting to do better for myself because a guy was going to punch me meant learning about meditation, learning about breath work, learning about just getting more to life, you know? | ||
| And then, oh, okay, hey... | ||
| Psychedelics can be a teacher as well. | ||
| You know, these kind of things all kind of came to me in that same timeline. | ||
| So it was sort of like the, not necessarily anxiety, but the urgency of knowing that you had to prepare for combat. | ||
| That you're constantly trying to better yourself because the consequences of not doing that are so grave that it sort of ignited this fuel for improvement in you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was like, what the fuck did I do today? | ||
| You look back at the end of the day like, what did I do today? | ||
| Did I do anything to make me better? | ||
| A lot of guys are like, I went to the gym twice. | ||
| I trained hard. | ||
| I got a massage. | ||
| That was my recovery. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm good with watching TV and just vegging out and doing whatever. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| I mean, when you're beat... | ||
| Sometimes you just need to entertain yourself and relax. | ||
| That's fine too, but... | ||
| That just fueled reading. | ||
| That really became where I'm going to read and meditation. | ||
| But meditation, I was like a lot of people. | ||
| I didn't get it for a very long time. | ||
| I just kind of forced myself to do it. | ||
| And over time it got a little easier, but it wasn't until ayahuasca that I really understood meditation. | ||
| And now with Wim Hof, I mean, he's just added a whole other layer to meditation for me that I didn't have before. | ||
| Same thing with my wife. | ||
| I mean, the Wim Hof breathing techniques are just... | ||
| They're phenomenal. | ||
| Yeah, that guy's... | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| I can't say enough good stuff about that guy. | ||
| He's a fascinating character too. | ||
| You know, just what he's been able to do is like the swimming underwater under blocks of ice in the frozen ocean, a hundred yards. | ||
| He was supposed to swim 50 and he missed the hole and he doubled his distance and then... | ||
| Frozen retinas. | ||
| Fucking gee, couldn't see because his eyeballs froze. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| He's a very unusual human, but a lot of people use that method now, that method of breathing. | ||
| I use it before I go on stage. | ||
| I take these big, crazy Wim Hof breaths before I go on stage. | ||
| There's something to it. | ||
| All the way in, let it go. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All the way in, let it go. | ||
| Yeah, he's quite a character, man. | ||
| He's quite an inspirational guy, too. | ||
| There's a lot of people that have really gravitated towards him. | ||
| His story was amazing. | ||
| And I've heard him on Ferris. | ||
| I've heard him on Ben Greenfield's podcast. | ||
| When you had him on... | ||
| And you cracked beers. | ||
| He opened up. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, you could tell. | ||
| He got comfortable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you could get more from him than the Vice documentary. | ||
| And I love Vice, but I thought the Vice documentary was shit. | ||
| It's 40 minutes. | ||
| This guy's fixing his fucking hair. | ||
| And I can't tell if people are following him because he's so charismatic or not. | ||
| He's like, no, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he said, feeling is believing, right? | ||
| The second you feel that charge in your hands, three, four, five rounds deep, you know, like, he's not full of shit. | ||
| Like, you're feeling chi. | ||
| You're feeling energy. | ||
| You're feeling what... | ||
| You can label it whatever you want, but I mean, do you feel good inside? | ||
| That's undeniable. | ||
| Well, inspiration is a type of fuel, right? | ||
| I mean, when you get inspired, you fire up, you literally can feel yourself getting pumped, right? | ||
| Well, what is that? | ||
| If you hear a great song where you're working out and you're like, and you just get fucking pumped, that's a real thing, whatever that is. | ||
| Like, whatever the feeling that you get that comes along with inspiration, like, Whether it's a great movie or a great song or something that just really gets you, that energy is real. | ||
| It is real. | ||
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100%. | |
| Where the fuck is it coming from? | ||
| Well, that's thousands of years people have discussed it. | ||
| Some people, oh, that's woo-woo shit, or what are you going to tell me what my fucking aura looks like? | ||
| No, I can't see your fucking aura, but I do believe we have this energy field. | ||
| In fact, there's books and there's science that back in this now. | ||
| Valerie Hunt wrote Infinite Mind. | ||
| She was a professor at UCLA, and they actually have a place in UCLA where they can conduct studies on the human energy field. | ||
| And they've mapped this out by changing things, the electromagnetism, they can make people have emotional breakdowns, lose complete loss of motor control, like they have just all of a sudden they have to sit, they can't even stand, they can't even keep themselves up. | ||
| But how are they doing it? | ||
| They're manipulating through ions. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's like a giant metal room, some type of special room that they have them go in. | ||
| And they just change this thing on a dial. | ||
| And the field influences your human energy field. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And it's fucking verified. | ||
| They did this a while ago, too. | ||
| That's as crazy as it's like they've known about this 70s, 80s. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| This is an incredible Radiolab podcast where they put electrodes on this woman. | ||
| They sent her through this sniper training video game thing that they do where you have like a rifle and there's a video game in front of you and presented with all these different scenarios like a hostage takeover. | ||
| These terrorists show up. | ||
| They start shooting at you and you try to shoot the terrorists under duress. | ||
| You know, you're stressed out. | ||
| And so they take her through this thing. | ||
| She does terrible. | ||
| Everything's off, just panicky. | ||
| And then they do it when they attach these electrodes to her and stimulate with electricity parts of her head just on the outside, like transdermally. | ||
| I think it's called transdermal electrical stimulation. | ||
| Were they doing certain frequencies? | ||
| Were they trying to manipulate frequency or was they just trying to work like on frontal lobe or things like that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know the exact science behind it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But she then did it and went like 10 for 10. Like killed everybody. | ||
| Like it was insane. | ||
| Like her accuracy went through the roof. | ||
| Now they got kids doing this shit where they try to make their own out of like battery packs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're like, hey, this is all new science. | ||
| Nobody's been doing this for decades. | ||
| We don't know what the ramifications are. | ||
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| That was the Radiolab podcast sort of focused on some of those people. | ||
| Like, oh, well, I went deaf for a couple days. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| Fuck you doing your head man because they're just taking like nine volt batteries and like taping wires to their skull and Juicing themselves no fucking clue what they're doing But there's something going on and they the researchers that are working on it think that they can accentuate learning They can accentuate flow states where you get into some sort of a zen moment guaranteed you're familiar with binaural beats, right? | ||
| Yes, so Explain that for people that don't know what. | ||
| I think that came out in the 1950s. | ||
| They wanted to see what sound wave therapy could do and things like that. | ||
| So you would wear headphones or earbuds, and the basic concept, the premise would be... | ||
| I can play something at 8 hertz through your left and 12 hertz through your right, and your brain will match them in the middle at 10 hertz. | ||
| Well, 10 hertz is the frequency of alpha waves. | ||
| So our brain produces a wide variety of different waves from 0.5 delta when you're in deep sleep all the way up to beta state, which we're in right now drinking coffee and thinking. | ||
| In between that, you have an alpha state, which is closer to the Earth's resonance, the Earth's magnetic field. | ||
| Where that's like a meditative state. | ||
| So you could have a flow state there. | ||
| I know Aubrey Marcus has spoken about this. | ||
| That is the flow state range between like 7.8 to 11. Somewhere in there. | ||
| Then below that, deep meditation, theta state, pre-sleep. | ||
| And then delta. | ||
| And there's other things in there. | ||
| But basically through binaural beats, you put on these headphones. | ||
| You can listen to whatever. | ||
| The ocean or rain or any of these things. | ||
| And you would have these different... | ||
| Frequencies playing through your ears. | ||
| And in that, you basically trick your brain into producing these brain waves. | ||
| And within minutes, you feel like, oh, I just took a really nice nap. | ||
| Like, I feel good. | ||
| I feel refreshed. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That would probably be great if you were in, like, a pool tournament or something like that. | ||
| Like, something where you wanted to relax and get in the zone. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I would think, like, archery or darts or something where you just, like, or three-pointers, you know, shooting three-pointers, where you just get to that feel. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Whatever that is. | ||
| Whatever that flow state is. | ||
| Well, you're thoughtless, basically. | ||
| When you're in the beta state, that's your thinking. | ||
| Your mind's racing. | ||
| I was in the beta state two nights ago when I had three hours of sleep thinking of all these possible rabbit holes we'd go down, conversation-wise. | ||
| Yeah, that state of the lack of sleep state is my shittiest thinking state. | ||
| I come up with my worst thoughts when I'm exhausted. | ||
| You can't turn the mind off. | ||
| A lot of people have that issue. | ||
| There's also some silly creative ideas, though, that come up when you're exhausted. | ||
| Sometimes when I'm exhausted, I'll say the most ridiculous shit and it'll turn out to be funny. | ||
| Like, I have to write it down. | ||
| Like, where I'm like, you know, the writers on news radio, the sitcom I was on back in the day, they used to stay up late on purpose. | ||
| They wouldn't start writing until 2 or 3 in the morning. | ||
| And they would, like, get themselves into, like, an exhausted stupor. | ||
| And then they would start writing. | ||
| Because all their writing would be, like, really hilariously silly. | ||
| Because they were just fucking falling asleep. | ||
| They were just out of it. | ||
| Like, there's a state that you get that a lot of writers would try to trick themselves into just by, like, getting exhausted. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| So when you're fighting, what was the first sort of improvement path that you started upon? | ||
| Diet and nutrition, right off the bat. | ||
| That was the one where I was like, hey, this is something I can control. | ||
| It'll help me. | ||
| Just recovery. | ||
| How do I recover faster? | ||
| How do I flush metabolic waste? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that really was it. | ||
| I mean, I've always been into supplements. | ||
| I read the Muscle Mag since I was a little kid, that kind of thing. | ||
| And certain stuff works, a lot of stuff doesn't. | ||
| But really, what you put in your body has a huge impact. | ||
| I mean, anybody who's ever cleaned up their diet and felt differently from it. | ||
| I mean, even listen to Red Van talking about the weight loss and how he has the energy now. | ||
| He just feels happy, right? | ||
| Well, that's in Brain Maker also. | ||
| He talks about 80% of our serotonin is made in our guts. | ||
| By bacteria. | ||
| 80% of our feel-good hormone is made in our guts by bacteria. | ||
| Isn't that great? | ||
| That's just insane. | ||
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| Do you think food doesn't impact that? | ||
| We know every cell of our body is made from what we put in, so a lot of people don't think, oh, I eat this donut and my body will change it into what it needs to be changed into. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| No. | ||
| And on top of that, you influence the microbiome by what you put in your body. | ||
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If you put in good stuff, it's easy to see, like, yeah, of course you feel better. | |
| Yeah, we like to think of ourselves as independent from our food, but we're actually made out of our food. | ||
| Completely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had salmon the other night at a restaurant, and I said to my friend, I said to Tony, Tony Hinchcliffe, I was like, I don't think this is wild salmon. | ||
| And he said, why? | ||
| I said, because it's too light. | ||
| It's too light-colored. | ||
| They said it's wild, line-caught salmon. | ||
| I'm like, eh, not really buying it. | ||
| And I said, you know, when you see wild salmon, it's like more of a dark orange. | ||
| And he said, well, why is that? | ||
| I said, well, it's actually because of what they eat. | ||
| It's from bugs. | ||
| Like certain bugs that they eat. | ||
| Or shrimp? | ||
| What the fuck is it? | ||
| Shrimp or bugs? | ||
| Find out why salmon are red. | ||
| Ask Jamie. | ||
| Ask Astanthin. | ||
| I know I'm fucking butchering this. | ||
| Astanthin? | ||
| It's like A-X-A-N-T-H-I-N. It's sold in supplements. | ||
| Sockeye salmon. | ||
| Salmon flesh due to their diet. | ||
| Salmon gain 99% or more of their body mass in the ocean. | ||
| The foods they eat. | ||
| Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. | ||
| The food they eat in the ocean is high in carotenoids, the same pigment that gives carrots color. | ||
| These pigments are stored in their flesh as salmon approaches their spawning grounds. | ||
| begin to absorb the scales. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| They begin to absorb their scales. | ||
| How weird. | ||
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| They get mushy. | ||
| Have you ever caught a salmon when it's dying, when you're spawning? | ||
| I had a bachelor party. | ||
| My buddy goes up every year to Alaska, so we went fishing off the Kenai River. | ||
| But we just fitted in before his wedding. | ||
| So we were about a month or two late to the party, and it was a feast for seagulls. | ||
| All these old-timers had spawned, and they're like... | ||
| Swimming along, just full layers of skin and scales just floating off them, ready to die. | ||
| Yeah, they become mushy. | ||
| Their flesh is difficult to eat, too. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| Yeah, it's nasty. | ||
| You can eat it if you have to, if you want to stay alive, but they're literally breaking down. | ||
| We had a little sashimi, and that was a mistake, for sure. | ||
| You should never eat salmon sashimi. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Ever? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a smart move because they have parasites. | ||
| Ocean fish are much better in regards to being... | ||
| So if you caught salmon in the ocean, you're cool to do it then? | ||
| Even then, because they go back and forth. | ||
| I think it's something about freshwater fish are much more susceptible to parasites. | ||
| The nasty shit we put in there? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I don't even know if it's nasty shit we put in there. | ||
| I think that's just nature. | ||
| I think fish in the ocean naturally have a less likelihood of contracting any sort of parasites. | ||
| Or you have a higher likelihood of getting it from freshwater fish. | ||
| You should never eat largemouth bass like sashimi. | ||
| You shouldn't eat that, I don't think. | ||
| I don't think I'm talking out of my ass here. | ||
| I'm pretty sure I've read that you're not supposed to eat salmon sushi. | ||
| But people do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People do. | ||
| But anyway, point being, this fish was really kind of pale. | ||
| And then we were talking about how weird it is that your food actually changes the color of your skin. | ||
| And we were talking about black bears that eat blackberries and blueberries. | ||
| It's like certain hunters will go after bears that are in the fall because the fall bears, they gorge on blueberries. | ||
| And their flesh is just supposed to be unbelievably delicious, like some of the best tasting meat you can get. | ||
| And their flesh and then their fat itself is like a purple color. | ||
| From all the blueberries. | ||
| It changes their actual physical flesh and it makes it absorb. | ||
| It just makes you think, what about all these people that are eating McDonald's and Twinkies and shit? | ||
| What is their flesh? | ||
| It's just high fructose corn syrup and trans fats and just dog shit just pumping through your tissues. | ||
| That was me in college. | ||
| Just any calories I could get a hold of. | ||
| Just brutal. | ||
| Well, you know, ultimately that stuff breaks down to protein and water and all the various aspects of it, but if that's all you eat... | ||
| No wonder why so many people are depressed. | ||
| If you look at the modern American diet, you look at the modern American diet, the sedentary lifestyle, and then you look at the fact that people feel like shit. | ||
| And what is depression? | ||
| Well, there's all sorts of different kinds of depression. | ||
| There's some depression that's absolutely caused by a chemical imbalance. | ||
| Your brain's sick. | ||
| You know, just like your liver can get sick and your lungs can get sick, your brain can get sick. | ||
| But there's a whole lot of depression that I guarantee has to do with people with sedentary lifestyles, shitty diet, and just no real pushing of the body, where your body never gets to flush it out, never gets to blow those hormones up, never gets to get that blood pumping. | ||
| I'd argue the brain gets sick because you let it get that way. | ||
| You stop moving, you stop putting good things in your body, and then you have this downward spiral that just snowballs into deep depression that your buddy coming over is going to cheer you up. | ||
| Whatever it is, you're not going to snap yourself out of that just overnight, and you're definitely not going to get it from popping a pill. | ||
| You've got to get off your ass and move and start getting back out in nature. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The pill thing is a weird one because I know for some people it's been very beneficial. | ||
| I know people that were severely depressed, they got on antidepressants, and they eventually weaned themselves off, but they got happy first. | ||
| So it's like, did they need the pills? | ||
| No, but the pills did help them. | ||
| And I wonder, I'm not going to negate that at all, but I wonder what... | ||
| What lifestyle choices did they make during that process as they started feeling better? | ||
| Like, oh, I feel a little bit better. | ||
| Sure, let's go for a hike. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| What did they do in addition to that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That helped them so they don't have the pills now, right? | ||
| Because they're off the pills now, right? | ||
| So how do you get to that point where you can be like, I don't need this anymore. | ||
| Well, two dudes that I know, one of them, he got married, fell in love, started his own business. | ||
| His business became very successful, started doing really well in life, started feeling better about himself. | ||
| And then it all sort of fell together. | ||
| And then he said, you know what, I'm going to get off these fucking pills. | ||
| And he slowly weaned himself off and he's still happy. | ||
| And the other one got successful and got more confident and then realized that the pills were probably like dulling his senses in some sort of a way and then slowly weaned himself off. | ||
| But he hasn't really got into exercise. | ||
| The other thing he did was he got off Propecia. | ||
| That Propecia shit that dudes do to keep their hair. | ||
| I took that in college. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| That stuff killed my dick. | ||
| It's like a sniper. | ||
| DHT blocker, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| DHT makes you a man. | ||
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| So it makes you bald, makes you have body hair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want to get rid of that. | ||
| You don't want to get rid of that. | ||
| Well, it can depress people. | ||
| It can cause severe depression in some people. | ||
| It didn't in me, but it definitely killed my dick. | ||
| Like a gun. | ||
| That would make me depressed just right then. | ||
| That's depressing. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't totally kill it, but it's definitely what beats the fuck out of it. | ||
| Come on, what are you doing? | ||
| Why are you doing this to me? | ||
| Yeah, well, they say that, you know, there's a balance that your hormones achieve. | ||
| And any time you fuck with that balance with something like Propecia that, you know, that blocks dihydrotestosterone, your body's like, all right, well, what the hell's going on here? | ||
| Why is this blocked? | ||
| Like, what is our issue here? | ||
| And it can cause a cascade of issues. | ||
| Like, to treat the body as anything other than a holistic approach. | ||
| If you have a holistic approach, you look at it, oh, this guy's depressed. | ||
| Okay, well, let's look at his diet. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| We need to get him on a pill. | ||
| Well, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| You need to look at the whole thing. | ||
| Like, what's his diet like? | ||
| How often does he sleep? | ||
| Does he drink a lot of water? | ||
| Does he have something to get over? | ||
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| Something to fucking his wife die. | ||
| Maybe his diet's clean as shit, but he's, you know? | ||
| What's going on there? | ||
| Sometimes you just have to overcome. | ||
| You just have to overcome periods of life that just suck. | ||
| That's real, too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, people want to fix for that. | ||
| Like, give me a pill. | ||
| I gotta get past this stage of life. | ||
| Only you're gonna sleep through it. | ||
| That's everything, though, with the Western medicine. | ||
| It's just the, I'm broken. | ||
| Fix me. | ||
| Let me go. | ||
| You're the professional. | ||
| Fix my knee. | ||
| Fix my hip. | ||
| Western medicine is the shit, though, if you break your arm. | ||
| They fixed my shoulder when I was a dumbass and had a torn labrum. | ||
| I love it for that. | ||
| What happened to your shoulder? | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| I was overtraining and decided to try to max out on barbell snatch and missed it. | ||
| I didn't feel anything there. | ||
| Then I waited a minute and reattempted the same weight and then I felt it. | ||
| It just felt like no strength at all. | ||
| So it was a full slap tear. | ||
| Kane had the same thing. | ||
| It takes four... | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You talk to people that have shoulder surgery. | ||
| I thought I had this dumbass idea in my head, like, oh, you know, I'll be able to run still. | ||
| And I'm like, no, you can't do any of that. | ||
| I couldn't even walk. | ||
| Like, I had to be very careful with my arm in a sling for at least the first six weeks. | ||
| Then, you know, at six months, I could start rehab. | ||
| It took me a whole year. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It really did. | ||
| And really, I give a ton of credit to Kelly Starrett for getting full range of motion back, becoming a supple leopard guy. | ||
| Like, I had... | ||
| For a long period of time, I thought, like, this is as far as my arm's gonna go. | ||
| Like, not quite the... | ||
| Not quite Hail Hitler, but, you know, like, I had no full range of motion. | ||
| I couldn't get my bicep... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Couldn't get my bicep to my ear. | ||
| And I knew it was short in certain positions. | ||
| Like, if you get in... | ||
| Grappling, jujitsu, wrestling, things like that. | ||
| A guy sprawls while you're holding a single leg. | ||
| That three inches makes all the difference in the world. | ||
| From feeling like, hey, this guy's putting pressure on me. | ||
| I should change positions or my arm's going to snap. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| What about if you're defending a head and arm choke on the right side and someone tries to straighten your arm out? | ||
| What is that like when it presses up against your head? | ||
| Everything's fine now, but initially it was a nightmare. | ||
| I couldn't get biceps to ear while I'm talking to you. | ||
| So for sure, if someone's trying to do that to me, then it's going to feel like something's going to tear. | ||
| Six months before you could start doing rehab. | ||
| And that was a process. | ||
| It was, you know, just nasty. | ||
| So I know now, listen to my body. | ||
| Don't push the envelope. | ||
| When you say a slap tear, what does that mean? | ||
| It's an acronym. | ||
| It's the placement of the... | ||
| What is it the placement of? | ||
| Well, the labrum is like the... | ||
| It holds this ball in place, right? | ||
| So slap is the position of it. | ||
| It's on the front side. | ||
| If I remember correctly, it was a few years ago. | ||
| But, um... | ||
| Yeah, it's all placement. | ||
| They do it all arthroscopic? | ||
| Yeah, there's four incisions. | ||
| So they just go in there and sew it back up? | ||
| Is that what they did? | ||
| Yeah, I have very, very minimal scarring there. | ||
| But, yeah, it's basically what it is. | ||
| They just go in, they do everything through the vision of the little cameras and... | ||
| It's easy fix for them. | ||
| I had a great guy. | ||
| He's worked on tons of NFL guys. | ||
| And I'm grateful that I have full recovery. | ||
| But really, it's a nasty deal to have to go through. | ||
| Yeah, Tate Fletcher just went through something. | ||
| Like, this weekend, he went through something. | ||
| He just texted me about it. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| It's something called... | ||
| This is really interesting shit, man. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's called... | ||
| Hylinex. | ||
| Hylinex injections. | ||
| They're site injections where there are impediments to movement. | ||
| And anything they have with sliding tissue. | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Hylinex. | ||
| And he was saying that it's an enzyme. | ||
| And that they're testing it on people that have joint issues. | ||
| And somehow or another it's supposed to mitigate the issues of mobility in joint problems. | ||
| I think I need to get my dad in on that. | ||
| He can't open his arms. | ||
| This is as far as his arms go. | ||
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How come? | |
| So you can arm bar him like that. | ||
| He's got, like, calcium deposits and shit in his elbows. | ||
| He's had surgery on both of them. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| From what? | ||
| You know, he's eating cleaner now, but for years he ate whatever the hell he wanted, and he still did. | ||
| I mean, he got his black belt a year ago, so he's on the mat all the time. | ||
| He does a lot of jujitsu. | ||
| How old's your dad? | ||
| 64. That's amazing. | ||
| Gets his black belt at 63. What a stud. | ||
| He started at 56. What a stud. | ||
| He was a fat loser with a super, super stressed job, you know, sales. | ||
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| Yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| When I started fighting, he got into jujitsu. | ||
| He did full contact karate, boxing, wrestling. | ||
| So he understood striking, understood wrestling. | ||
| But the second he hit the mat, he was like, I don't know what the fuck these guys are doing. | ||
| Like, I have to learn. | ||
| And once he started... | ||
| He immediately became addicted. | ||
| Like anybody who does jujitsu, you know the feeling you get when you first start. | ||
| And he lost 50 pounds without even changing his diet in the first six months. | ||
| So it's been a life changer for him, for sure. | ||
| That's fucking great. | ||
| I love hearing that. | ||
| Like Anthony Bourdain keeps saying he'll never get his black belt. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| That guy will get his black belt. | ||
| He started when he was, I think, 57. And he's got his blue belt now at 58. He'll get it, for sure. | ||
| He'll get it. | ||
| Yeah, he's a maniac. | ||
| He takes one private and one full class, one regular class a day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Every day? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Yeah, he's got the cheese, yeah. | ||
| Why not, right? | ||
| Yeah, he's got the cheese. | ||
| And he's also got the obsession. | ||
| And, you know, it's funny, I talked to BJ Penn about this. | ||
| BJ Penn was hilarious about this. | ||
| He was talking to this guy, and the guy was like, you know, he told, you know, because BJ famously got his black belt in three years and won the Mundiales three years in, and this guy had gotten his black belt somewhere, I think, around four years. | ||
| And BJ was like, well, he goes, man, you must be really talented. | ||
| And he goes, no, man. | ||
| He goes, I'm obsessed. | ||
| He goes, I'm addicted like you. | ||
| I'm addicted. | ||
| And BJ started laughing. | ||
| He goes, I realized, yeah, I was addicted. | ||
| I was addicted to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| You can get addicted to good things, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no question. | ||
| I mean, that is runner's high. | ||
| That's why people would sign up for a race that's not healthy for you to run that far. | ||
| But it feels good, training and preparing and getting your body ready for that. | ||
| And that keeps you coming back for more. | ||
| Yeah, like 100 mile runs. | ||
| Those are fucking terrible. | ||
| Destroy you. | ||
| They've got to be bad for you. | ||
| They've done blood work on people, even just after a marathon, which is ridiculous in its own right. | ||
| But they would see, like, borderline kidney failure. | ||
| Like, your kidneys can barely keep up with removing metabolic waste. | ||
| Yeah, you piss after those things, and your piss looks like Coca-Cola. | ||
| Well, I'm out. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I never want to get to a point where my pee looks like coke. | ||
| That's fucking terrible, man. | ||
| But people, like, they also get addicted to pushing themselves. | ||
| That's a big one, you know? | ||
| Like my friend Cameron Haynes, he's a bow hunter, but he also does ultra marathons, a lot of marathons. | ||
| He started getting in shape just so he could, you know, get up the mountains easier. | ||
| Like, because in bow hunting, there's two things that come into play. | ||
| One, you have to be fit in order to get up the mountains because all that hiking, it's exhausting, especially at high altitude. | ||
| And two, you have to be strong to be able to pack out. | ||
| Like, you carry an animal, you kill it, and you have to get it down the mountains. | ||
| It's a lot of work. | ||
| So those two things led him down this road of starting to do marathons and lifting a lot of weights and doing all these different things. | ||
| But now he's doing, like, ultra-marathons. | ||
| He's doing something called the Bigfoot Challenge. | ||
| It's 200 miles. | ||
| It's like 100 miles a day and the next day another 100 miles. | ||
| Damn, I wonder what the cutoff is for that because sometimes they're right around like 22 hours. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| You take an hour nap and then go right back to running? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't even know if you sleep. | ||
| I mean, you're probably in so much fucking agony after 24 hours of running. | ||
| 200 miles. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| 100 wasn't enough, guys. | ||
| Let's weed out the pussies here and make it 200. Some lady in my neighborhood did it. | ||
| She did 200 fucking miles. | ||
| She did 100 miles one day, 100 miles the next day. | ||
| This bitch is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I say bitch with all due respect. | ||
| And admiration. | ||
| I mean, damn. | ||
| Yeah, I don't mean like... | ||
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| ...anything wrong with her. | ||
| She's just tough as shit. | ||
| But they get addicted to, like, pushing themselves. | ||
| Like, there's a thing that comes to some people when they get involved in these heavy endurance races where part of the addiction is one more hour, five more miles, ten more miles, push. | ||
| Just push yourself through it. | ||
| Well, you do get into a flow state, and it does... | ||
| The longer you go... | ||
| The better it feels. | ||
| I mean, obviously, you can deal with ticky-tack injuries and things like that or whatever you got to deal with in the race, but at a certain point in time, the mental chatter quiets down and you just find your rhythm and you find your breathing. | ||
| And that can be meditative completely. | ||
| And the longer it goes, the better for people like that. | ||
| Once you're in that state, you know, I mean, I've felt that in half marathons on the last six miles. | ||
| And finish stronger in the end than I did in the first half. | ||
| You know, I'm sure runners will be like, oh yeah, of course. | ||
| If you ran more, you'd know that dummy. | ||
| But I get that. | ||
| So that's why we sign up for this 50k coming up, just for the fact, like, alright. | ||
| Kelly started at a 50k at 230 pounds. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm not saying I'm going to make a regular habit of this. | ||
| I don't think it's healthy by any means, but I do want to do it. | ||
| A 50k is like a marathon, right? | ||
| A marathon is what? | ||
| It's a little bit longer. | ||
| I think a marathon is 26.2 miles and a 50k is right around 33 maybe. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I'm sure Jamie would know. | ||
| The powers of Google. | ||
| The powers of Google. | ||
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It's 31 miles. | |
| 31. Jamie's a runner too. | ||
| So is that what fuels your competitive desires now? | ||
| I like doing different things. | ||
| I'm working out with Jesse Burdick. | ||
| He's the guy who does power wad. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| So training once a week, I'll go up and train with him in Dublin at CSA, and we do some heavy lower body. | ||
| It could be anything. | ||
| So we'll squat heavy one day. | ||
| We'll do heavy sumo deadlift, heavy conventional, whatever. | ||
| There's just... | ||
| It's good to train with guys that are way better than you at whatever their respective thing is. | ||
| And I feel like I can go in there and learn from him and the guys they got working out there. | ||
| That does me a lot of good. | ||
| And I love lifting. | ||
| Who doesn't want to be stronger? | ||
| Once you get a taste for that, that is an addictive thing. | ||
| And I love lifting heavy weight because I feel better throughout the week. | ||
| I just feel better as a person doing that. | ||
| When I'm in shape... | ||
| I feel better being in shape. | ||
| So going for longer distance runs and having something, you know, if there's light at the end of the tunnel, like April 9th, I'm running this 50K. That makes it easy for me to come home when I'm tired and say, I gotta get at least three miles in today. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| You know, like I know this event's coming up, so I'm going to put in some road work today. | ||
| And it doesn't fuck with your shoulder at all, all this heavy lifting? | ||
| No, no, the shoulder's 100% now. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I give full, I can't, I mean, it's not like I'm blowing the guy, but Kelly Start, really, I have everything to thank from that guy. | ||
| What did you do that he prescribed? | ||
| All of his banded mobility, and you can look on mobilitywad.com. | ||
| He posted 500 videos on YouTube. | ||
| He's got a shoulder one that's, I think, five minutes long. | ||
| It's not even that long. | ||
| But he shows eight different stretches for the shoulder using one of those rogue bands, right? | ||
| And you spend two minutes in a stretch, minimum. | ||
| So this 20, 30-second hold shit is out the window. | ||
| He talks about fascia. | ||
| In order to release, it really has to have some time under tension, and you distract things. | ||
| So I wouldn't get the same experience if I put my hand on a wall and tried to stretch my chest, right? | ||
| But if I... Can pull on this band. | ||
| It distracts the impingement in my shoulder. | ||
| And now the fascia from the palm of my hand to my thumb will go all the way to my earlobe and open up. | ||
| So I'll feel everything. | ||
| The same way a foam roller can relax my IT band, right? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Now I can get that from my shoulder and all these different positions. | ||
| And that's what gives me my mobility back. | ||
| So the basic idea is that, hey, I can... | ||
| I need to be able to get in this position cold. | ||
| Why would you name his book that? | ||
| Supple leopard. | ||
| Well, leopards, you don't see them getting up and, hey, I'm going to do a five-minute warm-up, guys, and catch up with you in a second. | ||
| You might do downward dog, upward dog, and then boom, they're going. | ||
| So I have that ability on my shoulder now because of putting in that work over time. | ||
| Well, that's what a lot of fighters are realizing now, the importance of softness and flexibility and just to be pliable. | ||
| You have to be mobile. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be mobile. | ||
| And to be rigid and stiff, it impedes movement. | ||
| Like, I see it a lot from people when they're trying to kick. | ||
| When I see guys kicking and I see, like, stiffness and, like, a sort of general lack of fluidity in the way they move, I can tell immediately, I'm like, this guy's just not flexible enough. | ||
| They're throwing these kicks and there's all this resistance from their supporting leg, there's resistance from their kicking leg, and then there's resistance from their torso. | ||
| You can see it all as they start throwing kicks and then the kick will come up instead of go across. | ||
| The hip won't be high enough. | ||
| There won't be as much forward movement with the hip. | ||
| Definitely could be mental, too, though. | ||
| Looking back, honestly, on my career, I fought stiff. | ||
| I fought stiff as fuck. | ||
| Like, really stiff. | ||
| I never sparred. | ||
| I never fought the way I sparred. | ||
| I look at Luke Rockhold, and I'm like, that guy fights the way he spars. | ||
| Like, he doesn't give a fuck what's coming at him. | ||
| He kicks beautiful, and everything he's thrown is with power, right? | ||
| So he mentally... | ||
| Got to that point where he was just like, I know I'm going to destroy you and I'm not worried about what you... | ||
| How much difference was there with you with how you performed in the gym versus how you performed inside the Octagon? | ||
| I think it was a fairly big difference. | ||
| Like a 30% difference? | ||
| 20% difference? | ||
| I don't know if I could put a number on it. | ||
| I just feel like, you know, I mean, there's... | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to gauge with a guy like Kane because Kane destroyed everyone. | ||
| You know, it's not gonna be like, oh, you know, there's this time I sparred Kane and I got him. | ||
| Like, no. | ||
| Kane whipped my ass every time we sparred. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there was a point in time where I did well with Dana Cormier, or times where I did well with Luke Rockhold, times where I did well with Mike Kyle and Paul Montello. | ||
| And, you know, even in my best fights in the UFC, like with Ricardo Romero, I think that was the only time I got to get interviewed by you afterwards. | ||
| It took me... | ||
| The only reason the fight turned out that way and I was able to get in the zone was because I was so sick the night before. | ||
| I fought at like 2.08. | ||
| I had fucking sweat the bed. | ||
| I was rolling around in my sweat, just soaked the bed. | ||
| This worst fever I've ever had. | ||
| And in the fight, I'm walking out and I was gassed after two minutes of warming up. | ||
| I stopped warming up in the locker room. | ||
| Completely gassed. | ||
| And I thought, like, I'm fucked. | ||
| If this thing goes longer than a minute, I'm done. | ||
| And then I realized right then, right when they shut the cage door, I have to fight. | ||
| There's nothing I can do here but fight. | ||
| And right when I made that realization, that put me in the zone because there was no thought. | ||
| That's why the fight is 23 seconds, whatever it was. | ||
| It felt like it was in slow motion. | ||
| And I could never get back to that point because I didn't have... | ||
| The technical skills mentally to do it or just the know-how of how I got there. | ||
| I knew I can look back in hindsight and say, yeah, this was the catalyst. | ||
| I had my back against the wall and I just completely let go. | ||
| I know from... | ||
| The ayahuasca ceremonies and things like that, there's a big lesson in letting go and surrendering to the process. | ||
| Don't fight it. | ||
| Just fucking go with it. | ||
| But those things didn't transfer the way I had hoped. | ||
| I talked about that before my last fight. | ||
| I hoped that the lessons I learned from ayahuasca of surrender would transfer and I would have this, like, I don't give a fuck mentality. | ||
| We're going to do this. | ||
| And looking back on that fight, I was still nervous as shit. | ||
| Even though I look at photos online, you know, Pat's going to punch me. | ||
| I wasn't afraid of getting punched. | ||
| No offense to Pat Cummins. | ||
| I wasn't afraid of getting punched by him. | ||
| Not after Glover and Manawa. | ||
| And I'm still like, eh, like I'm squeezing a loaf out, you know, right as he's about to hit me. | ||
| Like, I'm stiff, rigid, tense. | ||
| So there wasn't a transfer there of skills from the beauty of ayahuasca into the cage. | ||
| Do you think that it was because you didn't have enough time to process it, or you needed more of those experiences, or... | ||
| There was a really, there's a number, you know, there's a large, there's a, everything kind of goes together with that. | ||
| I think, really, you know, Spending time developing yourself longer, right? | ||
| There's no eight-week camp where I'm going to be as good a wrestler as that guy. | ||
| Period. | ||
| It doesn't matter who I'm working with. | ||
| That said, obviously, you can build a game plan and work on takedown defense. | ||
| And you look at Ovin St. Pru, he did great against him. | ||
| It was an excellent fight. | ||
| In hindsight, maybe I could have done it like that. | ||
| Maybe I could have had better footwork and done these things and worked on whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really put too much thought into how I could have done that better now because I have really accepted the fact that I'm done doing that. | ||
| The more I would put thought into how I could have done it better, the more it makes me want to do it. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| What was the big deciding factor to make you want to retire? | ||
| It really, really was a number of things, but, you know, I had a second job the whole time I was in the UFC, even with the Fight of the Knights. | ||
| I had two Fight of the Knights. | ||
| I got to train full-time for maybe six months. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then the first loss, I had to go right back to work. | ||
| So I'm bouncing at the titty bar, you know, bartending, managing that kind of stuff. | ||
| And you need sleep for recovery. | ||
| And I had that just felt that window of I can sleep and train full time and know what it's like to have full recovery. | ||
| Now it's yanked back away from me. | ||
| Why was it yanked back away? | ||
| Because when you lost, you made less money? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And well, with the fracture too, like even take, for example, when I had a... | ||
| One of those fights, I got fight of the night with Maldonado. | ||
| That was my only fight that year. | ||
| So I got an extra 40 grand, and I was getting 10 and 10. That's 60 grand, 10% coaches, 10% to management, pay the IRS. That's not a lot spread over the year, and it's less than a teacher. | ||
| So I needed to work, you know, and then that's kind of how it goes. | ||
| If you get hurt in a fight and you only fight that once that year, that could be the difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's ridiculous when you think about how much risk versus reward there is in the sport of fighting. | ||
| At the very high levels, like when you're Conor McGregor or Ronda Rousey, yeah, you're going to make millions of dollars. | ||
| But on the way up to that, like, fuck. | ||
| Can you break through? | ||
| That's really what it comes down to. | ||
| And at the same time, I was... | ||
| You know, becoming familiar with ayahuasca, I was having ceremonies where A lot of shit was getting uncovered. | ||
| And I don't mean like, oh, I worked through all this baggage and all that. | ||
| No, there was... | ||
| I had many, many great visions and each ceremony has its own... | ||
| It's its own thing. | ||
| It's completely unique from another... | ||
| Same thing with DMT. That is its own fucking thing. | ||
| And it helped me grow as a person. | ||
| I can't say which ceremony made me not have that spark, but over time... | ||
| That spark went away. | ||
| The spark to want to destroy another person slowly left me. | ||
| And it doesn't matter what a fighter tells you on, I fight because of this, I fight because of that. | ||
| They all, inside them, want to destroy another person Deep down inside, they want to destroy something. | ||
| Well, that's what victory is. | ||
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| The ultimate victory is you submit someone or you KO them. | ||
| That's the ultimate victory. | ||
| You stop them. | ||
| And that's really difficult to do. | ||
| So the challenge is extremely high. | ||
| And then the reward, the endorphins, the rush, the feeling of accomplishment, all those things. | ||
| But at the end of the day... | ||
| I think probably what Ayahuasca and what DMT would show you is that you're causing damage. | ||
| It's just this destructive thing. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| Even if you both sign up for it, even if the guy talks shit before the fight, it doesn't matter what he does. | ||
| I bet it would be really hard to handle if it was a mismatch. | ||
| Like, say, if you took ayahuasca and you had this vision, and then you're supposed to fight somebody who you know, like, in your heart, was really fucked. | ||
| Like, maybe they had bad stand-up or something like that, and you knew they weren't going to be able to take you down. | ||
| Like, this guy's going to get lit up. | ||
| Like, sorry, dude. | ||
| You're under a false illusion of your abilities, you know? | ||
| That would make it very difficult, I would imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, you still see guys know, like, they kind of snap out of it when they have the opportunity to crush someone who's lifeless and the referee still hasn't stopped them, and then they pull back. | ||
| So there's moments there, and there's also moments where you're just, you know, you got the blinders on, and it's like, finish this guy, you know, and I don't give a shit when the ref comes in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, it was ayahuasca, you think, that started you off on this trip of retiring? | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| 33. 33. So you're still, athletically, you're still in your prime. | ||
| I feel better than I've ever felt in my life. | ||
| Physically, mentally, emotionally. | ||
| Does it ever, like, fuck with you every now and then? | ||
| Is there ever, like, a little thing inside you? | ||
| Like, come on, girl. | ||
| If I watch... | ||
| That's why I stopped striking. | ||
| You sharpen the blade. | ||
| You want to test it. | ||
| I'll do jiu-jitsu the rest of my life, but I can't strike. | ||
| If I strike, I know I'll have that itch. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'll have the itch to spar. | ||
| And then from sparring, I'll have a couple good days. | ||
| And who am I testing that against? | ||
| World champions. | ||
| So if I can hang, and I certainly should be able to apply this to guys that don't have a belt wrapped around their waist. | ||
| But... | ||
| You know, the more I've learned on, even listening to like Dr. Rhonda Patrick and people like that, I've had my face broken twice. | ||
| To act like that doesn't have permanent effects, I mean, it's ridiculous to think like, oh, you know, it's just an orbital fracture. | ||
| No, I fucking smashed my face. | ||
| Like, there's for sure long-term damage there that I'm not, maybe not feeling it right now. | ||
| But that's an issue I have to address. | ||
| And seeing guys only a couple years older. | ||
| I'm 33. You guys are 35, 36. And they start to slow down a little bit. | ||
| Sorry, I was getting audio in just one ear now. | ||
| Did it pop off? | ||
| Sometimes that thing disconnects a little bit. | ||
| See where the connection is? | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, that was my knee. | ||
| Yeah, you see, if I can notice it in other people who are just a couple years older than me, then I know that's what's going to happen. | ||
| Because it's not... | ||
| I mean, you watch a guy like Randy Couture fight, and you're like, oh, he's in everyone's face. | ||
| It's grinding on dudes. | ||
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| Even though he's been knocked out and things like that, he didn't stand and bang with a lot of people. | ||
| I can't think of many fights. | ||
| Even when Bonner crushed me for 15 minutes and laid on me and didn't attempt much, I still took a beating in that fight. | ||
| When I fought Glover, I had no broken bones, but that's the only fight where I was lost leaving the octagon. | ||
| Bob left, and I didn't know how to get back to the locker room. | ||
| And I didn't want to ask anyone because I didn't want a longer suspension, a medical suspension. | ||
| I mean, he fucking buried two hooks after slipping my left-right combo, one, left hook. | ||
| Then I threw it again, he slips, buries the same exact spot in the temple. | ||
| And I mean, that's the only fight where I literally did not know where the locker room was. | ||
| And I just wandered around, talking to people, making small talk. | ||
| Oh, hey, how's it going? | ||
| Yeah, that was a tough fight. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
| And I didn't know. | ||
| I didn't know where anything was. | ||
| And then I finally made it back. | ||
| I was like, oh, fuck, dude. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| That's really bad. | ||
| So you didn't want to ask anybody because you didn't want a longer medical suspension. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So I felt the effects there on the brain. | ||
| I didn't feel the effects from the orbital fractures, but I could see the effects, right? | ||
| And then, you know, you see guys just a couple years older slowing down a little bit, and you learn about health and being holistic and nutrition and what am I doing for myself to be a better person? | ||
| How can I get more out of life? | ||
| Where's my quality of life, right? | ||
| Well, if I'm doing that, and then that's why I could drink in. | ||
| If I want to alter my consciousness, there's a better way to do it than with that shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it shouldn't be a double-edged sword. | ||
| When did you quit drinking? | ||
| January 6th is the last time I drank. | ||
| Of this year? | ||
| Last year in Peru. | ||
| Oh, last year. | ||
| I did a ceremony in Colombia. | ||
| The guy was talking about addiction to things, and I never felt addicted at all to drinking, but I definitely drank like an asshole, for sure, many, many times. | ||
| But he had mentioned, next time you drink, ask what you're feeding. | ||
| Everything we put in our body is feeding something. | ||
| Ask what you're feeding. | ||
| And it didn't hit me then, but later on in the ceremony, it really stuck in. | ||
| I could see all the destructive behavior of, Oh, yeah, let's party. | ||
| Let's go balls to the wall. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Slapping five and just, you know, college spring breaker, ASU type, jock, meathead, you know, more, more, more, more, more. | ||
| And then just the destruction, the toll it was taking on me. | ||
| You know, especially as you get older. | ||
| Like, you can drink like that when you're young. | ||
| But you get to 30... | ||
| Something stops working. | ||
| Your hangovers last a little longer, you know, everything, it's harder to keep up. | ||
| Well, don't you think it's also you're aware? | ||
| I think when you're young, like, I remember being hungover when I was young, but I was so unaware of how that, like, what I put in, how it affected my body. | ||
| I just thought of myself as, like, I was in such a fog of confusion when I was young, just trying to get through life, that I don't think I was aware of my body like I am aware of now. | ||
| Now if I do things, like just changing my diet, I'm really tuned in to what kind of effect is happening, if any. | ||
| I'm trying to figure it out. | ||
| I'm much more aware. | ||
| When I was in my 20s, I don't know if I necessarily recovered from hangovers better, but I didn't notice it as much because I was just dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are we doing now? | ||
| Let's get pizza or crack another beer. | ||
| It'll get rid of it. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I'm with you on that. | ||
| I do feel like there are... | ||
| As you age, your organs just don't keep up the same. | ||
| And I feel like that was a big... | ||
| But really, just the reflection for me of seeing how I behaved with that versus... | ||
| If I want to feel different, thanks to the wonderful people in California that allow medical cannabis, I can feel different. | ||
| I can sleep like a baby and I can wake up with zero hangover. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm not going to get fat from it. | ||
| I'm not going to feel like shit. | ||
| I'm not going to underperform the next day, mentally or physically. | ||
| You also get benefits from it. | ||
| Many benefits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The anti-inflammatory benefits, the mental benefits of it, the sensitivity benefits, the camaraderie that it sort of stimulates. | ||
| There's a lot of sense of community that comes with smoking cannabis. | ||
| It makes you like a more generous and nice person in a lot of ways. | ||
| But alcohol... | ||
| Man, it has its place. | ||
| I mean, I think it's fun in a lot of ways, but boy, it's so abused. | ||
| But in this culture, in our culture, it's so commonly abused by so many people. | ||
| And they don't even consider it. | ||
| They just pound them. | ||
| Just fucking... | ||
| And you can abuse pot, too. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| When I was in college, I abused pot. | ||
| Actually, hearing Graham Hancock talk about his relationship on your podcast with cannabis and how ayahuasca showed him that, and he quit for a while until coming back on the podcast and spoken with you, which I thought was great. | ||
| That was evil of me. | ||
| With weed that way, it actually reversed it, but it showed me my relationship with alcohol that way, and now I don't need it. | ||
| But it also showed me, like, hey, cannabis is a plant. | ||
| Dan Hardy said in one of his visions when he asked Ayahuasca about cannabis, cannabis is my sister, was the answer. | ||
| Like, this is another teacher. | ||
| This is another tool. | ||
| This is here for you. | ||
| Use it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| If you treat it with respect and you have an intention and a reason why you're doing it. | ||
| There's a time and a place for, man, I just want to get bombed and feel out of this world or I'm going to push the envelope and maybe do a mega dose and jump into a float tank, which I still need to try. | ||
| But, you know, for the most part, you can have relatively small amounts of things like that and completely improve your quality of life with zero repercussion. | ||
| Because you put in the time and you have the right intention of, this is what I want to use it for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, repercussions. | ||
| It is something you have to weigh. | ||
| Action versus repercussion. | ||
| And with alcohol, the repercussions are just fucking devastating over time. | ||
| It's just such a fucking unfortunate one. | ||
| They think they figured out a way to create alcohol without any hangover. | ||
| There's been some new research. | ||
| It's something that gives you an alcohol-like effect, but it doesn't give you a hangover. | ||
| I hope it's not like synthetic weed or some of these weirdo knockoff shit. | ||
| I always wonder what effects on internal organs fighting has. | ||
| Not just on the kidneys, which we know get really fucked up over weight cutting. | ||
| It's really bad for you. | ||
| Kidney stones are one side effect that some people seem to suffer from dehydration from weight cutting. | ||
| I know Aldo's had some kidney stones. | ||
| A lot of fighters have had kidney stones. | ||
| They're really common for guys who cut a lot of weight. | ||
| But also, I just wonder just body kicks and knees to the body and punches. | ||
| I mean, how many times can you get kicked in the liver before it does damage to your liver? | ||
| I mean, if alcohol is bad for your liver, what does a shin do to it? | ||
| What is a fucking vicious left hook to the liver? | ||
| Just getting blasted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder. | ||
| I don't know if there's any... | ||
| I mean, we constantly consider the stress on the brain and the damage to the brain from head impacts and brain trauma. | ||
| But what about body trauma? | ||
| I always wonder about that. | ||
| Because I've seen guys get fucking blasted. | ||
| It ain't good. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| It's not like you watch a guy eat a liver shot and the fight's over from a body kick. | ||
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| He's fine. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just ended the fight. | ||
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| So when you look back at your career and you look back at all these wars and all these crazy fights that you got in, do you think about the damage? | ||
| Is it something you just put aside and you know that there probably was some done and just move forward and stay positive and be healthy from here on out? | ||
| Here's one thing that I... I disagree with people when they say, like, you know, when we grew up, they said, oh, hey, you have a set number of brain cells, and whatever you lose, you're not going to get back. | ||
| So we now know that's bullshit. | ||
| Like, our brain can create new cells. | ||
| Neurogenesis happens. | ||
| And the more you do, the more new stuff you do, whether it's learning an instrument or a new language or taking a different trail to hike, whatever, that helps strengthen these new pathways, right? | ||
| And make you smarter and just keep your brain young. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think for one second that anything that I've done in my career can't be overcome or that I can't really feel like from diets like this and supplementing with MCTs and different things like that, I feel quicker now and sharper now than I ever have in my life mentally. | ||
| So that's good. | ||
| But that said, I don't look back and say, oh, this did this to me. | ||
| I look back and say, I don't want to do more of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. | ||
| I've talked about this in the podcast. | ||
| I don't know if you've heard about it. | ||
| Bill Romanowski created that Neuro One supplement specifically because of his football career, because of all the head impacts that he had. | ||
| He's having memory issues, a bunch of issues with his brain. | ||
| I wonder what's in it. | ||
| Do you know what the product has? | ||
| I don't have it here, but he sent me a couple tubs of it because I talked about it a bunch of times. | ||
| And it's not something that we sell at Onnit. | ||
| It's just something I love. | ||
| It's just good. | ||
| It's the first nootropic I've ever tried before we created AlphaBrain. | ||
| Do you stack them now? | ||
| No. | ||
| I rarely try Neuro-1, but I like to do different things. | ||
| I like to occasionally try Paracetam. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I'm way into nootropics. | ||
| Have you tried Aniracetam or Oxiracetam? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| How do you like the difference? | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| I had a conversation with a dude last night at the Comedy Store. | ||
| It was really funny because it was hilarious because the dude was hammered, right? | ||
| He's like, man, I fucking tried Alpha Brain, but shit, I don't know if it worked. | ||
| I go, okay, define worked. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| I was just fucking, you know, I'm just hanging out, man, but it didn't feel any difference. | ||
| I go, okay. | ||
| It's not going to make you smarter. | ||
| The idea behind it is, if you're involved in a task, like for me, Alpha brain and nootropics are really critical for me because I rely on my memory a lot. | ||
| Like when I'm doing the UFC, it's a big factor. | ||
| I'm constantly bringing up past fights and I'm constantly talking about different situations and transitions and, you know, this happens when you do that or that. | ||
| And there's all these like connections that I have to make in my brain. | ||
| So verbal memory, recalling fights, things like that. | ||
| Nootropics are critical for that kind of thing. | ||
| But if you don't have anything that requires your memory, How do you know if it's working? | ||
| If you don't have anything that requires you to form sentences on the fly, how do you know if it's working? | ||
| So I think he just had a silly idea. | ||
| I think he thought that he was going to take this stuff and all of a sudden he's like, man, I know what I'm doing with my life! | ||
| Like the fucking light bulb goes off. | ||
| He just got uploaded from the Matrix with the... | ||
| Dude! | ||
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I get it. | |
| I get it all. | ||
| Man, I didn't feel it. | ||
| But it was hilarious because he was fucking hammered. | ||
| The dude was hammered. | ||
| He's like, I don't know if I felt it. | ||
| I'm like, okay, dude. | ||
| First of all, How shit-faced are you right now? | ||
| He's like, I'm pretty drunk. | ||
| So I'm like, well, this conversation is going to be weird anyway. | ||
| You're probably not going to remember what I'm saying. | ||
| But if you had to do something, it was important. | ||
| And I explained all the different things that's been shown clinically in double-blind, placebo-controlled studies to improve on. | ||
| These are statistics. | ||
| When you can show it with 60 people and you can show that the people that take it have these effects versus the people that don't take it, this is where it will help you. | ||
| But it's not going to just make you smarter. | ||
| But for someone who relies on their mind a lot, whether it's for creativity or... | ||
| For me, I like to take it now even before I work out. | ||
| I started doing it before I work out now. | ||
| And I'm noticing less fatigue. | ||
| My mind stays fresh longer. | ||
| Like in grueling long-term workouts... | ||
| Like a long series of pad workouts. | ||
| I can maintain my concentration like deep into the 7th, 8th, and 9th round of hitting pads. | ||
| I don't fade off as much. | ||
| Like where I can't remember the combinations. | ||
| You know how you get so tired, you're like, okay, what is it again? | ||
| Double jab, right hand, left hook, right kick, step knee. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| And then, you know, you're into the left hook and you're like, what the fuck is next? | ||
| Because you're so tired. | ||
| Your brain doesn't work that good. | ||
| So I think mental fatigue can contribute to physical fatigue. | ||
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100%. | |
| That's in Sassan's book also. | ||
| They talk about how ketones are pretty much the steady fuel. | ||
| So your brain doesn't bonk because there's an unlimited stream of energy coming in at all times. | ||
| You don't hit the window where you run out of glycogen and your brain, as the master regulator, says, wait a minute. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| We have a very low supply here. | ||
| It's finite. | ||
| Nothing else is coming in. | ||
| So we're going to downregulate everything and make you perform like shit right now in an effort to hold on to what we have. | ||
| You know, you don't ever hit that wall with the ketones present in the blood. | ||
| Well, I've never been in a ketogenic state, I don't think. | ||
| You ever fasted for anything? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How long? | ||
| Maybe like 12 hours. | ||
| I've never done it like several days. | ||
| No, that wouldn't work. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, even like fasting is just deciding I don't feel like eating right now. | ||
| You know, I've never like consciously decided to fast. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, this is an interesting experiment because I just said, well, you know, there's nothing to lose here. | ||
| There's nothing that's going to fuck me up. | ||
| I'm just going to give this a shot and see what happens. | ||
| I was a little flat yesterday, like trying to push through an elliptical workout. | ||
| It was a little flat, but nothing huge. | ||
| Just required a little more grit, you know, just required me to dig down what I would rather just get off that fucking thing. | ||
| And around the 35-minute mark, like the last 10 minutes were pretty rough. | ||
| But other than that, my brain doesn't seem too foggy. | ||
| That was one of the things I was concerned with, that I'd go on stage and I'd just be stupid. | ||
| Like, my brain wouldn't work that good. | ||
| I'd forget what I was talking about. | ||
| Well, do you blend? | ||
| I mean, do you do bulletproof style where you blend butter and MCTO? Yeah, that's what this is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you probably have at least some help. | ||
| I want to check you out, actually. | ||
| Check me out? | ||
| I want to check you out, bro. | ||
| What are you doing, bro? | ||
| I know I told you about this briefly here. | ||
| Yes, you did. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Explain it. | ||
| If you're not checking, you're guessing. | ||
| So one of the things about these ketogenic diets is you've got to act like you're diabetic. | ||
| You get a blood ketone monitor. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Do you strip my finger or something? | ||
| Yeah, I'll give you a fresh one here. | ||
| Ew, can I get AIDS from you? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| From Jenny's trip, Jenny high five. | ||
| All right, so what he's got here is some little thing that you... | ||
| A little pricker. | ||
| So, what is it, like a needle or something? | ||
| I think I'm enjoying my little prick. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| Does it matter which finger you need? | ||
| It's a lancet, I think is what they call it. | ||
| Doesn't matter, no. | ||
| So what we have here is a blood ketone strip. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah, you're nice and hot. | |
| Whoa, what? | ||
| You want there to be warmth in your hands, otherwise it's a motherfucker. | ||
| Did that make blood? | ||
| I didn't even feel that. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| I didn't feel it, bro. | ||
| So tough I am, bro. | ||
| A little blood? | ||
| I don't even fucking feel that, bro. | ||
| Well, you're going to have to feel another one here. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I'm going to feel this one now. | ||
| I was talking shit. | ||
| So what he's got is this little punch thing, almost like a little stapler. | ||
|
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Rookie move. | |
| That one I didn't feel at all. | ||
| Like the other one, I felt it touch my finger. | ||
| That one didn't work. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Let me give you a brand new one here. | ||
| What the fuck kind of... | ||
| Yo, my skin's too thick, bro. | ||
| I got double skin thick. | ||
| It's not, you know, all those years of hard training and the makiwara board... | ||
| I do a lot of makiwara work. | ||
| You know what makiwara is, folks, if you don't know? | ||
| Karate guys, they take a board and it's like sort of nailed to the ground or dug into the ground and sort of locked in place. | ||
| And the board will give a little bit and then they wrap the board up with a rope so it's really hard. | ||
| And then they punch it and develop these calluses, these thick calluses on their knuckles. | ||
| And then they would go from that to brickwork. | ||
| My friend John Lee, back in Boston, he used to have his index finger and his fuck you finger, the knuckles to those fingers were fused. | ||
| It was one big fat rhino knuckle. | ||
| And it was all just from him punching shit. | ||
| One big moose knuckle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was all from him punching shit. | ||
| That is the last guy you wanted punching you. | ||
| He was punching through bricks and shit. | ||
| Yo, your pussy little needle things are not working on my fucking savage skin. | ||
| Is it working this time? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Well, you got some bitch ass needles. | ||
| You need to go deeper here. | ||
| Manly needles, bro. | ||
| I have to figure this out. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| So does it work different on different people? | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
| For real? | ||
| Like, no bullshit. | ||
| Do people have thicker skin? | ||
| Well, we can go deeper, but I'm trying not to be a dick and put it on the highest setting and punch this thing through your finger. | ||
| Put it on the highest setting! | ||
| I'm gonna flex while you do it. | ||
| It's actually the stress of you holding onto my hand and shoving that thing over and over again with no pain. | ||
| I'm like, eventually I'm gonna feel pain. | ||
| So it's like, if I just felt pain the first time, it'd be very minimal. | ||
| What do you got now? | ||
| You got a razor blade? | ||
| What's in there? | ||
|
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I'm putting in a new test strip just to double check here. | |
| And explain to me what this thing is testing for. | ||
| There's a little blood on my fingers. | ||
| Yeah, we want more. | ||
| Did you feel that? | ||
| Barely. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Go deep, son. | ||
| Don't be scared. | ||
| I do have double-thick rhino skin, Jamie. | ||
| I'm just gonna fucking jab it in there. | ||
| Whoa, hey. | ||
|
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I don't like that phrasing. | |
| This is not working, huh? | ||
| God damn, son. | ||
| Alright, I'm gonna allow you to just fucking tap this thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I want you to just tap it. | ||
| Well, what is it? | ||
| It's a fucking little needle. | ||
| Alright, I'm gonna just shove it in there. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Shove it in there. | ||
|
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Pull it out. | |
| Now make yourself bleed a bit. | ||
| Give me a drop. | ||
| Put it on this bad boy. | ||
| Is that good? | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I shoved that all the way in. | ||
| Yeah, I want you to... | ||
| You did? | ||
| Oh, there we go. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| Don't worry, folks. | ||
| Okay, now we got some sweet blood. | ||
| Now we got a countdown here. | ||
| 10 seconds. | ||
| It's going to tell us your blood ketones. | ||
| So basically, you want to be between 0.5... | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Low. | ||
| Low? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Low battery? | ||
| Low battery or low ketones? | ||
| Low ketones. | ||
| Me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| Let's do another strip. | ||
| Bitch, I'm bleeding. | ||
| I know, we got you. | ||
| I got some good blood here. | ||
| Another strip. | ||
| Keep the bloodline open. | ||
| I'll squeeze this bitch. | ||
| Some fucking junk science here. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Is this pro science, bro? | ||
| Bro science, bro. | ||
| Bro science, bro. | ||
| Alright, one more test here. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Three, two, one. | ||
| 0.1. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| That's terrible? | ||
| You want to be between 0.5 and about 3.0. | ||
| And you can go higher than that if you're in a really extended fast. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Or if you take exogenous ketones, then you can go above 3.0. | ||
| But basically, 0.5, you're in nutritional ketosis. | ||
| Give it one more test just to be sure that this thing isn't bullshit because I'm not trying to believe your fucking stupid machine. | ||
| If it varies, that's a problem, right? | ||
| If you do it again, and you get a different reading? | ||
| Yeah, that would be a problem. | ||
| I don't know that I'm going to get it. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| What about all that blood? | ||
| You might have to stab. | ||
| Well, because it's got to come in a little dry. | ||
|
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Should I stab it again? | |
| Okay. | ||
| What's the negative of being where he's at at.1? | ||
| Most out of the game? | ||
| Well, he's in no man's land, so he doesn't have carbohydrates coming in, right, to fuel his body, and he's not producing ketones. | ||
| So did you work out beforehand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That just fucking saw. | ||
| I should have asked beforehand. | ||
| So whatever ketones you have from the MCTs, your body's using. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's why your blood ketones aren't high. | ||
| I worked out right before I got here. | ||
| That's exactly... | ||
| Yeah, it's going to confirm it here, but that's exactly why. | ||
| So I've tested... | ||
| I've been in ketosis for a while and tested... | ||
| And seeing like 0.3 and I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| And then I listen to Dominic D'Agostino talk about that. | ||
| Your body will use the ketones. | ||
| That's why you're producing it. | ||
| It's an energy source. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you work out. | ||
| That's going to go to fill your body the way that blood glucose would have... | ||
| Prior to that. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| E4. It means it's cold. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
|
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Cold? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What does that mean, machine? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's too cold, I guess. | ||
| It's too cold? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| The machine is cold? | ||
| The machine is cold. | ||
| So, what do you do? | ||
| Do you heat it up? | ||
| Put it in the microwave? | ||
| I stick it in my armpit when I'm getting ready. | ||
| The machine? | ||
| Yeah, just right here. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Makes it warmer. | ||
| But I just pricked myself for nothing? | ||
| You did prick yourself for nothing. | ||
| What are all these things that you're sticking in there? | ||
| What are all those things? | ||
| These are all the... | ||
| This is your trash, actually. | ||
| That's your little, I don't know where you've been, basket. | ||
| What are those things in there? | ||
| Those are the lancets that poked you, and then the test strips. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But anyways, you would do this at night, usually before dinner. | ||
| You're going to have the highest ketones then. | ||
| If you have a night workout, then wait at least a couple hours. | ||
| Do yourself right now so I can see what you get. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| You're out of ketones? | ||
| I put the last one, the last trip to you. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| No, it's all good. | ||
| I got more at the house. | ||
| So you carry these around and you just do it once a day? | ||
| Or how many times a day do you do it? | ||
| They're a few bucks a piece, so I usually just do them at night when the ketones are highest just to make sure that I'm nutritionally there. | ||
| MCT oil is usually worn off by that point, so I can tell like am I producing my own ketones as opposed to just getting it artificially raised from the MCTs. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It doesn't need to be 3.0. | ||
| If it's 0.5, I'm good. | ||
| But I will feel the difference when I reach the 1.0 between 1.0 and 2.0. | ||
| 1.0 and 2.0. | ||
| What was I? 0.1? | ||
| 0.1, yeah. | ||
| That's dog shit. | ||
| But it doesn't mean anything because you just worked out. | ||
| I'm depressed. | ||
| Okay, so what I'm shooting for, though, is... | ||
| 0.5 or higher. | ||
| 0.5 or higher. | ||
| But you've gotten to 1 or 2? | ||
| I've been above 3.0 from fasting or from exogenous ketones. | ||
| But if I'm on a daily basis between 1.0 and 2.0, then I'm doing good. | ||
| And that means the foods I'm putting in my body, I haven't, you know, exceeded my protein limits and caused gluconeogenesis or any of these things. | ||
| I've dialed in my nutrition over time. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| It's just fine tuning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like women can process much more carbohydrates than we can on a ketogenic diet. | ||
| Really? | ||
|
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Way more. | |
| Yeah, way more. | ||
| I don't know if it's because of the hormones and the menstrual cycle or... | ||
| It's because they're evil. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But they can get away with way more. | ||
| Could be evil. | ||
| Just some voodoo. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I wonder what that is. | ||
| I wonder if it's because they have to maintain a higher body fat to make milk and to feed the baby and grow titties. | ||
| Yeah, Tosh was in ketosis the whole time during the pregnancy, and she still had plenty of carbohydrates. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So it was a conscious decision to reach that state during the pregnancy? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| She asked me, like, oh, hey, see where I'm at. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm going to waste $3. | ||
| On you right now, you're at 0.0. | ||
| I just told you what you're at. | ||
| She's like, no, seriously, I want to see. | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| So we did it, and she was higher than I was. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| But it makes perfect sense. | ||
| I mean, if you're sending resources to build a human, and you want that steady flow, it makes sense the body would produce that in a situation like that, just in case you ran out of carbohydrates. | ||
| It is interesting because women oftentimes when they're pregnant, they crave really fatty foods like they crave ice cream and things along those lines. | ||
| But that's not ketogenic, right? | ||
| Because it has a lot of sugar in it. | ||
| Well, there's sugar in that, yeah. | ||
| Cravings are cravings, but If there's a calling to have more fat, you want more fat. | ||
| That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to put you in ketosis. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Now, say if you're in this ketogenic state and you eat some carbohydrates, you eat like a big bowl of pasta, how much does it whack you out of that ketogenic state? | ||
| Three to four days is typically what it would take to get back in. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| But if you've been, put it this way, I mean... | ||
| Because I've been in and out of it for as long as I have and because I work out the way you work out, you know, high-intensity stuff with kettlebells or I'll go for a distance run, whatever, and then still train on the mat. | ||
| That's high-intensity when you're grappling. | ||
| I had a Saturday, we went off the deep end. | ||
| I had like two gluten-free pizzas with Tosh and we had a bunch of gluten-free cookies and a freaking liter of this awesome grass-fed milk. | ||
| Loaded with carbs. | ||
| I mean, I probably had 500 grams of carbohydrates. | ||
| Grass-fed milk is loaded with carbs? | ||
| Milk? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Milk is loaded with carbs. | ||
| All milk, period. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's grass-fed. | ||
| It matters if it's grass-fed or grain-fed, but not from a carbohydrate standpoint. | ||
| Nobody would think that milk would be a source of carbohydrates. | ||
| 9 to 12 grams per cup. | ||
| So if you have a liter and you have four cups, which is easy to do when you're eating cookies, then you just had 50 grams of carbs just from the milk. | ||
| Whoa, how many grams of carbs are you supposed to have a day? | ||
| In a ketogenic diet, between 30 and 50 during the keto adaptation phase, which is 6 to 8 weeks. | ||
| And then after that, you can play. | ||
| But that's the whole reason you check. | ||
| Because if you're doing 50 grams a day thinking, hey, I'm within my limit, and you're still at 0.3, 0.4, Fuck what somebody else tells you. | ||
| That's when it's time to dial it down a bit. | ||
| Or maybe my carbohydrates are fine, but I'm still not in ketosis. | ||
| That means you're eating too much protein. | ||
| Or maybe I need to add more fat to my meals so the ratio is there. | ||
| When they talked about it at John Hopkins, they were talking about for the kids with epilepsy, a 4 to 1 ratio of fat to protein and carbohydrates combined. | ||
| Now that's pretty hard to do. | ||
| If you think of how many... | ||
| You eat a steak, there's 50 grams of protein and there's equal amount of fat, let's say. | ||
| Now I have to multiply that by four. | ||
| And if there's any carbohydrates to add to that, then I add that to the total for the four to one ratio. | ||
| So you're going to have just ridiculous amounts of fat to accomplish that. | ||
| What is that device called that you just used? | ||
| It's a blood ketone meter. | ||
| I use the Novamax one as the cheapest. | ||
| There's a couple other ones that are five or six dollars a strip. | ||
| You can get that on Amazon. | ||
| The meter itself is only like 20 bucks, and then the strips are a little bit more. | ||
| And so the strips, you have to use blood. | ||
| Is there another way to do it? | ||
| There is a piss test, which doesn't work at all. | ||
| The problem with that is once your body becomes keto-adapted, it learns how to better use these things so they're not excreted in the urine. | ||
| So when it tests for acetone, I think is... | ||
| Acetoacetate, something like that. | ||
| It's one of the less prominent ketones to begin with. | ||
| So when we convert fat into ketones, we have three major ketone bodies. | ||
| Beta-hydroxybutyrate is the one that you test for with the blood strip. | ||
| That's the most 80% most abundant in the blood. | ||
| If you do the urine strip and your body's becoming keto-adapted, well, you're not going to piss anymore out. | ||
| So you could be completely in nutritional ketosis and use a strip and be like, hey, man, I'm not in ketosis. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| And it's not that at all. | ||
| It's just that your body's not wasting any out of the urine anymore. | ||
| And they have breath strips or breath meter you can blow into. | ||
| And I can't stand this thing. | ||
| I used it for a while. | ||
| I tried to get into it because obviously you can reuse it 100,000 times and it's still going to be the same cost. | ||
| But It shows, like, on a gliding scale, like an LED light. | ||
| So green is not in ketosis, red is in ketosis, whatever. | ||
| And then in between you have, like, green-yellow and yellow-orange. | ||
| And it's all, it's so fucking hard to read. | ||
| And then you're trying to figure out, well, I feel, you know, it's, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Just do the blood. | ||
| Tell me to the tent exactly where I'm at. | ||
| And then you get to all the guesswork out. | ||
| And what exactly is it measuring? | ||
| Like when you say blood ketones, what does the number represent? | ||
| Like 0.1? | ||
| The millimolar is a measurement of the beta-hydroxybutyrate ketone. | ||
| Millimolar? | ||
| Millimolar. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so you've been doing this for a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've read a ton of books on it. | ||
| And the thing is, you know, most diets, people, I've tried a ton of different diets. | ||
| This one, you feel good because you can eat as much as you want. | ||
| Like when Dave Asprey talks about eating 4,500 calories a day and working out, whatever he said, 15 minutes a fucking month or whatever, some nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are going to lose weight. | ||
| A better example, in The 4-Hour Body, Tim Ferriss talks about the study they did on calories in, calories out. | ||
| I love this study. | ||
| Three groups of people had 2,000 calories a day. | ||
| Group A, 90% carbs. | ||
| Group B, 90% protein. | ||
| Group C, 90% fat. | ||
| You know how it shaked out? | ||
| Carbohydrate group gained one and a half pounds a day. | ||
| Protein group lost a quarter pound a day. | ||
| Fat group lost a pound a day. | ||
| 90% fat in their diet and they lost a pound a day. | ||
| A pound a day? | ||
| On the same 2,000 calories. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| 2,000 calories is not a lot. | ||
| So if you had 2,000 calories of carbohydrates and you're going to gain weight from that, you can gain weight from 2,000 calories a day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| So there's other factors and things like that, but that just dispels this concept of... | ||
| Count calories. | ||
| They're all the same. | ||
| They're not the same. | ||
| They're not the same at all. | ||
| How they impact hormones is not the same. | ||
| Hormonal function, insulin response. | ||
| What does insulin do? | ||
| Well, it stores. | ||
| It shuttles things, right? | ||
| So if we are constantly inundating ourselves with carbohydrates and in this store mode, any excess is getting put on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How do you tell your body to burn fat? | ||
| It's a longer, harder process when you have this easy, super rapid thing it can break down and then use glycolytically. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| But when you talk to the Instagram wizards, these dieticians in training, they'll tell you, bro, you need fucking carbohydrates to operate your brain, bro. | ||
| Yeah, all the science. | ||
| I love this too. | ||
| You talk about science and... | ||
| Eddie Bravo would probably like this too, the Mr. Conspiracy Theory guy. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| Who pays for that fucking carbohydrate research? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Gatorade. | ||
| Gatorade Sports Science Institute. | ||
| Gatorade Sports Science Institute has done a majority of these studies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gatorade? | ||
| Nestle. | ||
| No, it's Gatorade. | ||
| It's Gatorade that's doing a lot of the studies on carbohydrate performance. | ||
| They're the guys that also proved, oh, this is the tipping point for fat oxidation in an hour, even though they use people that have been in ketosis for two weeks instead of two years. | ||
| So when you talk about guys like Jeff Finney and Steve Volok who've been doing this research now since the 80s and Using athletes that have been keto adapted for a while. | ||
| That's when you really begin to see like oh shit Okay, this can work and not just from a physical standpoint Like I said the thing that I get mostly from it is the mental it's the it's the sharpness and Dominic D'Agostino was talking about how you can go on way less sleep But there's some type of thing that ketones do with the brain where you actually are more rested even if you were sleep deprived. | ||
| So if you had five or six hours of sleep, you could still wake up feeling refreshed and have your sharpness in the morning. | ||
| Rather than being on a heavy carbohydrate intensive diet. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they're not sure the mechanism for that yet. | ||
| That's why you got these geniuses studying these things. | ||
| But I think that there's nothing more important than when you try something and you actually feel a difference. | ||
| And that's not me saying, oh, you know... | ||
| If you're vegan, whatever. | ||
| If you're vegan and you feel awesome, fucking awesome, dude. | ||
| I'm not going to tell you to change. | ||
| I'm not going to say, well, you should add this to it. | ||
| No, dude, you've dialed it in. | ||
| Everyone's different. | ||
| But this, for me, has worked wonders. | ||
| Well, there's also awesome, and then there's better than awesome. | ||
| You know, like some people say, like, hey, I've been on this kind of diet and I feel fantastic, so I'm just going to keep it the way it is. | ||
| Well, meanwhile, if you added a certain thing to your diet or added a little bit more vitamin D or added a little bit more, you might feel actually better. | ||
| Like, your idea of what awesome is. | ||
| I think a lot of times it's like, have you ever had water in your ear and you think everything's okay? | ||
| Like, oh, this is how I hear. | ||
| And then, you know, it pops and you go, oh, I could hear like this. | ||
| Like, you weren't even considering that you were hearing like shit. | ||
| That's what cracks me up about when people talk. | ||
| By no means am I some type of psychedelic pusher or anything like that, but when I first did ayahuasca, it consumed my mind. | ||
| Holy shit, I want to stand on a mountaintop and tell people about this. | ||
| I want every one of my friends to know about it, my family. | ||
| I want them to try this. | ||
| I want them to see what I've seen. | ||
| I want them to experience this. | ||
| And then over time, you realize, oh... | ||
| You listen to people talk like, you know what, life's just so good right now. | ||
| I don't really need to change anything. | ||
| Are you a fucking finished product? | ||
| You can't improve your life? | ||
| Are you Mr. Perfect? | ||
| I'm Mr. Manhattan. | ||
| I'm Dr. Manhattan. | ||
| There's no room for getting better. | ||
| There's no room for enjoying life more, improving, whatever. | ||
| And that was just funny to me. | ||
| That dynamic. | ||
| There are a lot of people that just say to themselves, I'm comfortable. | ||
| Why change? | ||
| Yeah, well, people don't like feeling like shit, and they don't like feeling like their house is in disarray. | ||
| And so if they get to a state where they go, I'm happy right now. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| I'm happy right now. | ||
| Like, I'm happy being chubby. | ||
| Like, I've heard that before. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with being chubby. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| I'm happy right now with the way I am. | ||
| Some people will convince themselves. | ||
| I oftentimes read things that people write and I go, God damn it. | ||
| I wonder if this person is expressing themselves honestly or if they're trying to get other people to be convinced that they're okay. | ||
| I would lean towards that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've brought this article up more than once, but I read this article written by this woman who's 70 years old, struggled with weight her whole life, and she was promoting fat acceptance, and that people are prejudiced towards people that are overweight, but in fact, she's incredibly healthy, and she's so active, and she does all these things. | ||
| She's just always been heavy, and I'm like, mm. | ||
| See, scientifically, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It just doesn't. | ||
| Like, if you're eating healthy foods and your body's healthy, you shouldn't be storing that much extra fat. | ||
| It just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| But she's promoting it in this article, like, if you didn't know any better and just took this article, it's like, well, this is this one woman's account of her life, and by her accounts, she's incredibly healthy. | ||
| She's hiking, and she's so active, and she's eating healthy, but she's just fat. | ||
| Not really makes sense, doesn't it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Something's missing there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Well, I mean, I actually had this as one of my first breakthroughs in my very first ceremony. | ||
| I was hearing people violently puke around me, and I thought I was like in a war zone. | ||
| And this is just starting to kick in inside me. | ||
| I've taken my second cup of ayahuasca, and it sounds like people are dying. | ||
| And I realized, oh, they're puking. | ||
| And then I thought, oh... | ||
| That's because these fuckers didn't do the dieta. | ||
| They didn't eat clean. | ||
| Like, you have to eat a certain way prior to it. | ||
| And I thought, oh, I eat clean. | ||
| I take care of myself. | ||
| These people don't take care of themselves. | ||
| And, like, all the... | ||
| It kind of snowballed into this feeling that I had about fat people in general. | ||
| Like, they didn't... | ||
| You're not taking care of yourself. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Why would you do that to yourself? | ||
| Why would you do that to your body? | ||
| You know, like, I've always been thin and athletic and... | ||
| It was easy for me to do these things. | ||
| So when I'm feeling this and I just started to notice, like, holy shit, why do I feel this way? | ||
| Damn, this is getting worse and worse. | ||
| And then I jumped up and grabbed the bucket and puked my brains out like I'd never puked before. | ||
| And it came out of me, this feeling, this animosity towards people. | ||
| And I understood right then, like, they don't know any better. | ||
| I don't know how they got there, but I do know that they don't know any better. | ||
| They don't know how to get out of that. | ||
| Even if they do know intellectually, they haven't internalized it. | ||
| They haven't put it into action. | ||
| It hasn't been digested. | ||
| There's plenty of things that you can take at face value. | ||
| You hear and it resonates with you and you're like, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| But you don't assimilate it. | ||
| You don't put it into action. | ||
| And I think for that, I don't know, maybe every time their mom and dad fought, They took them to get ice cream cones at McDonald's. | ||
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Oh, it's okay. | |
| You know, come on. | ||
| We'll go for a car ride. | ||
| It'll be fine. | ||
| Here's an ice cream cone. | ||
| And then now, anytime they're under stress, fuck, I need ice cream. | ||
| And they don't even think about it. | ||
| Or maybe they do know and they still say, I don't care. | ||
| I know this ice cream cone is going to make me feel better. | ||
| Whatever it is, I don't know. | ||
| That's not my place to be like, hey, you fat fuck. | ||
| You know, like that helped me grow from that. | ||
| And that was a huge, that was like, how could puking be good? | ||
| That puking is amazing when you're getting rid of something like that. | ||
| Right, like you're letting go of a thought that you had, like this attachment that you had. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's a certain holier-than-thou attitude that certain people with great metabolisms and active lifestyles will have towards people that maybe they just, when they grew up, they weren't led towards athletics. | ||
| Maybe they were bullied. | ||
| Maybe they had poor diets in the home, they didn't know any better, and now here they find themselves X amount of years later, a product to a whole series of things. | ||
| Yeah, think of the impact it would have. | ||
| You always get picked last for kickball or handball or any of that stupid, those dumb playground games. | ||
| You're always picked last. | ||
| You don't want to play them anymore. | ||
| You're not interested in that. | ||
| You associate them with bad feelings. | ||
| I was having a conversation about this with a friend of mine. | ||
| She was talking about how there's women that are angry feminists that truly don't like men. | ||
| They hate men and they don't like masculinity. | ||
| She was trying to figure out what that's all about. | ||
| And I was like, well, the parallel's gotta be there's certain men that I know that don't like women. | ||
| They hate women. | ||
| And one of the reasons why is because they've been rejected by women their whole life. | ||
| So they associate women with a negative feeling. | ||
| They associate women with rejection. | ||
| They associate women with the women, like, is cold-hearted, leaves them, goes with another guy. | ||
| Humiliation. | ||
| Like, how could she fucking do that to me, that bitch? | ||
| Well, she doesn't owe you. | ||
| She's not attracted to you. | ||
| Like, you've got, for whatever reason, the universe dealt you an extremely shitty deck of cards. | ||
| And that's just the way it is. | ||
| But, so, forever, this person that I know that has this issue, his association with women is of women, they use him, they want things from him, his money, they don't want him, and they treat him badly, and he feels like shit and hateful. | ||
| Whereas... | ||
| I have friends that are good looking guys that there's no reason. | ||
| They were just born good looking. | ||
| They just got great bone structure, and they happen to look good. | ||
| And women are attracted to them. | ||
| And their ideas of women are totally different. | ||
| Their ideas of women are, hey, chicks are fun. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| Don't get tied down, though, bro. | ||
| Keep it open. | ||
| Move free. | ||
| You know, like, their ideas of women are much more light and, like, women are, they're a gift. | ||
| They're a great thing in life. | ||
| They're not this evil... | ||
| So this, like, this association can often be correlated by what kind of a relationship do you have with the opposite sex. | ||
| Like if you're a woman and you're overweight and you've always been fat, your whole life has been like a series of drunken moments with men who felt sick after they were with you and you were rejected and any man that you were attracted to wanted to have nothing to do with you. | ||
| So your feelings about men are just this, ugh! | ||
| They're angry, these assholes, these bros, these douchebags. | ||
| Not taking into consideration like, well, what is this relationship you have with him and what's the root cause of it? | ||
| Some of it is outside of your, if it's just genetics, completely outside of your control. | ||
| There's nothing you can do about the way your face looks or how tall you are or how short you are or how big your feet are. | ||
| You know, there's nothing you can do about that. | ||
| The relationship between how what you look and how physically attractive you are sexually like people's desire to reproduce with you it really comes down to that in a lot of ways like what is the relationship you have with the opposite sex because boy When you go and really pay attention to, like, hardcore feminists, what you find is a lot of older, successful women and women that are overweight and not attractive. | ||
| And you find, you know, all sorts of different people in between there. | ||
| But there's an overwhelming number of people that have not had good success with the opposite sex, both from women-hating men and from men-hating women. | ||
| And it's, like, extremely unfortunate. | ||
| If you look at it that way, it's extremely unfortunate. | ||
| Taking out gender inequality, financial issues, all sorts of issues that also come with being a male men's rights advocate or a woman's rights advocate, a feminist, there's an overall attitude that people have an issue with when it comes to someone who identifies with one gender or another gender and despises the other gender. | ||
| Oftentimes, it's because their associations and relationships with that gender have been negative due to the fact that they're not desired. | ||
| Well, really, it comes down to them. | ||
| What are you doing for yourself? | ||
| What is your relationship with the opposite sex? | ||
| Certainly has to do with that, but what is your relationship in life? | ||
| Do you have this assumption that all dudes are dicks and they all behave the same way? | ||
| Your mindset can keep you stuck in that hole just the same. | ||
| If you're always thinking this is exactly how they are, it's going to reciprocate itself over and over and over again. | ||
| So you're always correct. | ||
| Yeah, there's that. | ||
| But then there's also the reality, like my friend who doesn't like, well he's not my friend anymore, but who doesn't like women. | ||
| He's an ugly dude. | ||
| He's always going to be an ugly dude. | ||
| Does he like porn? | ||
| Does he like anything? | ||
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What do you mean? | |
| Does he not like women? | ||
| No, he gets angry. | ||
| He gets angry. | ||
| He never has a girlfriend. | ||
| He's never been married. | ||
| He's just always dating and drifting around. | ||
| That sounds to me like a guy who needs to work on himself. | ||
| Well, he definitely does. | ||
| But it's also, the girls that he likes, they never really were into him. | ||
| Just not attractive. | ||
| He got a shit roll of the dice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His roll of the dice sucks. | ||
| I don't know where I'm going with this. | ||
| But what I'm trying to say is... | ||
| I'm not trying to say anything, but if I was trying to say anything, I would try to say like there's there's a lot of complex issues that are going on with how people feel both about themselves and how they feel about other people. | ||
| And oftentimes what they blame other people for is really some shit that's going on with them. | ||
| Like they find enemies out there, external enemies to distract themselves from their internal problems and failures and shortcomings. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| Like you find that a lot with haters. | ||
| I'm sure you found that when you've read like horrible shit that people write about you online, like after fights, like. | ||
| Dude, I mean, look, the kind of hate that is available to fighters is some of the most fucking vicious and personal and emotional hate. | ||
| The people that go after them, like quote-unquote fans. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every one of them's a loser. | ||
| Every one of them. | ||
| Every one of them. | ||
| Every fucking evil, nasty douchebag that seeks you out to say mean shit to you after a loss and tweets at you. | ||
| I mean, I've seen some horrific shit that guys write to fighters directly after a loss, both on Facebook and on Instagram, Twitter, everything. | ||
| Those people are all unsuccessful. | ||
| They're all failures. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| That's the only reason why they would do that. | ||
| It's one thing to say, man, that fucking guy, he got killed. | ||
| Or, man, that guy got tapped quick. | ||
| Or, how good is this guy? | ||
| Man, I can't believe he ran through that guy like this. | ||
| Those are almost analytical discussions that you have with people where things happen and you didn't see it coming. | ||
| Like, okay, Ryan Bader versus Rumble Johnson. | ||
| Like that fight. | ||
| Without saying anything horrible about... | ||
| Ryan Bader, you'd go, fuck man, Rumble Johnson, Jesus Christ, you just ran him over, man. | ||
| Fuck, who can take that guy's shots? | ||
| And you, that's like a non-asshole-ish way of approaching it. | ||
| But good Lord, I read some shit online that people tweeted to him, to Bader, and like, you fucking, you should be in a jail somewhere. | ||
| You're a monster. | ||
| You're looking at this guy like here's a downed, wounded thing, and I'm gonna just piss on him. | ||
| I'm gonna find a spot, a soft spot, and I'm gonna jab him with sticks. | ||
| I'm gonna see if I can fuck with his head. | ||
| Anybody who does that, those people that are doing that, those haters, they're all losers. | ||
| It's the saddest thing about it. | ||
| It's like they're looking at this one person, this one thing, this object that they can attack, and they're externalizing all the issues they have with themselves, the imbalances they have. | ||
| And this new ability that we have to reach people and communicate with people that really don't want to have anything to do with you. | ||
| In the real world, Ryan Bader doesn't give a fuck about this guy's opinion. | ||
| He doesn't know him. | ||
| And in the real world, nobody's saying shit to his face. | ||
| He's like, oh my god, I think that's Ryan Bader. | ||
| And they run up to him and just blow him right there. | ||
| Oh, you're so fucking awesome. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Same exact guy. | ||
| Same exact guy. | ||
| Boy, there's some hateful people out there, man. | ||
| I know so many fighters that just don't go on social media now because of it. | ||
| You know? | ||
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You think, fighters are tough, they should fucking toughen up. | |
| Maybe you're just a cunt. | ||
| Maybe it's not fighters are tough, and they should just toughen up. | ||
| Maybe it's like, what you're doing, you're being shitty to someone you don't even know. | ||
| Again, where am I going with this? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I completely agree. | ||
| Even when we... | ||
| I forget who it was. | ||
| Greenflower Media did a thing on me talking about cannabis and CBD and how many guys in the sport use and just not naming names and Jose Canseco-ing it, but talking about a lot of a smoked pot. | ||
| It helps us sleep at night. | ||
| It helps turn off our brain when we're overthinking shit. | ||
| And you got something big coming up. | ||
| More than, obviously now with USADA and things like that, there's a lot less. | ||
| But back in the day, yeah, there was a lot of us. | ||
| But even with USADA, out of competition, you can smoke pot. | ||
| And in competition, you can smoke pot up until the week of the fight and still be okay. | ||
| This is good news for me to tell people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, we did that video, and then sure enough, I didn't know it was going to get decent. | ||
| Not that it went big, but BJPenn.com ran it, and it made it bigger than it was. | ||
| And of course, at the bottom of the video, everyone's comments, I got like two or three comments like, oh no, this is an MMA site. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| It didn't help him when Jimmy Maniwa smashed his face in, did he? | ||
| He wasn't smoked in that. | ||
| It was like, oh, God. | ||
| How does this have anything to do with what we're talking about here? | ||
| It's nothing to do with anything. | ||
| But it's funny. | ||
| It's like, allow me to... | ||
| Allow me to knock you down here a couple pegs while we're talking. | ||
| Well, there's also people that don't recognize what they're doing and they're just talking. | ||
| They're just making noises and they're not even evil. | ||
| They just don't realize what they're saying is hurtful or stupid or idiotic because they've been given this access to people that's unprecedented. | ||
| There's no training for this. | ||
| No one had anything like social media in our parents' days. | ||
| It just didn't exist. | ||
| So they never taught us about it. | ||
| That's a weird thing, thinking about having kids. | ||
| Like, I look at Bear now, and I'm like, fuck, dude. | ||
| We grew up when you had wired telephones. | ||
| And then we saw giant Zack Morris cell phones come into play. | ||
| And we had the car phone and things like that. | ||
| And then just this evolution over time. | ||
| They're born. | ||
| They're not knowing a world... | ||
| Without internet, without instant access. | ||
| Yeah, but you know what? | ||
| Our grandparents, same thing. | ||
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They were like, I remember when you had to take a boat to get here from Europe. | |
| And then, you know, we grew up in a much more technologically advanced era, but our kids are going to grow up in an era that's mind-blowing to us, but their kids are going to grow up in an era of virtual reality that makes this look like a joke. | ||
| It makes our video games look stupid. | ||
| You know, yeah, my dad's always bragging about how awesome Mafia 3 was. | ||
| Listen, you know, You had to sit in front of a box like I'm in the fucking Star Trek room surrounded by killers right now. | ||
| Yeah, we're probably gonna go to places just like those old Schwarzenegger movies or any of those movies. | ||
| You're gonna probably go to a place, you're gonna lie down, they're gonna clamp some shit down on the side of your head and you go, are you ready, Mr. Kingsbury? | ||
| Give me the thumbs up if you're ready to launch. | ||
| You give the thumbs up and you're in the Avatar world and you're riding a fucking dragon. | ||
| That's gonna happen inside of the next hundred years. | ||
| It's 100% gonna happen. | ||
| It's just a matter of time. | ||
| If they keep going, we don't blow ourselves up, we don't get hit by an asteroid, they're gonna come up with artificial reality that's indistinguishable from this reality. | ||
| And all of our entertainment is going to be a joke. | ||
| Like, why would you actually jump out of a plane and go skydiving when you can get the skydiving experience with this thing on your head that's going to make you feel like you did? | ||
| What was that movie? | ||
| Total Recall? | ||
| Strange Days. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's right. | ||
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Right? | |
| You could video, and they had like snuff videos where a guy would actually kill somebody and you felt what he felt when he killed another person. | ||
| Like you felt all the neurotransmitters, everything was going through your brain, the heart racing feeling of actually ending someone's life. | ||
| And you know, that was the illegal portion of it. | ||
| And they had the legal portion would be like sex with your loved one or whatever, those kind of things. | ||
| But you could actually tap into the consciousness of someone's memory as long as that was recorded. | ||
| I think that's going to happen. | ||
| I think it's definitely going to happen. | ||
| It's just a matter of time. | ||
| If they keep going, it's a matter of one invention and one discovery makes way for another invention and another discovery. | ||
| They compound on each other. | ||
| They build on each other. | ||
| And next thing you know, reality is unrecognizable. | ||
| Like the reality that we experience today, you know, we're talking about these primitive diets. | ||
| Primal existence. | ||
| The idea behind all of this is obviously that our bodies It takes thousands of years. | ||
| They say about 10,000 years for your genes to totally change and adapt to new diet, new environment, new lifestyle. | ||
| And so we're dealing with bodies that are primarily adjusted to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. | ||
| And all this other stuff that we've added into it over the last 10, 20,000 years or whatever, agriculture, grains, growing different foods. | ||
| You keep them in storage bins and things like that, like grain silos. | ||
| That's all fairly recent. | ||
| And yes, you can live like that, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, grains are fun. | ||
| Yeah, you can eat it. | ||
| But what is your body optimized for? | ||
| What does your body exist with the least amount of hiccups? | ||
| Well, it's probably the stuff that's super clean and normal. | ||
| Like fish, vegetables, chicken, meat, things along those lines. | ||
| Your body knows exactly. | ||
| And the stuff that we haven't fucked with. | ||
| Not farm-raised this and that. | ||
| No farm-raised fish. | ||
| Eating genetically modified soybeans and whatever. | ||
| What's the most realist food we can put in our body? | ||
| Well, you probably go camping and shit too, right? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know that feeling that you get when you're out in the woods when you don't have any cell phone signal? | ||
| With a gang of mushrooms. | ||
| That too. | ||
| Well, that's extreme. | ||
| But just even being alone, like you hear the... | ||
| nothing. | ||
| You hear nothing. | ||
| You hear the real nothing. | ||
| The real nothing of the woods. | ||
| It's almost like, scary. | ||
| Because you realize, like, this forest doesn't give a fuck about me. | ||
| If a tree falls in your head and you die right there, the forest doesn't skip a beat. | ||
| The squirrels and the chipmunks keep running around. | ||
| The birds keep flying. | ||
| The deer keep running. | ||
| It's all the same. | ||
| It literally does not matter. | ||
| It's been like this before you. | ||
| It will be like this unless we fuck it up. | ||
| It'll be like this after you. | ||
| This is just the way... | ||
| Even if we fuck it up, it'll go back to that at some point. | ||
| Or something different. | ||
| It'll become something different. | ||
| Some new form of nature. | ||
| But... | ||
| You go from that to, like, cities. | ||
| And cities are this bizarre, strange, different kind of life. | ||
| Like, I was in Manhattan last weekend. | ||
| It's fucking awesome! | ||
| It's awesome to visit. | ||
| You go there, you're like, you're going from one place to another, and this restaurant, that building, and look at this view, and holy shit, and get on the subway, and you're fucking cruising along under the buildings, and it's awesome! | ||
| But it's awesome in a completely different way. | ||
| It's awesome in this new way, this new bizarre way that we're sort of adapting to. | ||
| And this new way is available to us and wasn't available to people 10,000 years ago. | ||
| This is like a mind blower. | ||
| If you took someone from 10,000 years ago and brought them to Manhattan and just put them in the 72nd floor of one of those apartment buildings with a crazy view and just look out. | ||
| Look out at the city and be like... | ||
| What in the fuck am I seeing? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, you've been to Vegas. | ||
| You ever been to, like, the top of the Mandalay Bay? | ||
| That bar that's up there that has the crazy view and the glass floor? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| You just look out at the top of that building and you're like, God, this is insane! | ||
| This is like some Blade Runner shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're experiencing something that no culture's ever experienced. | ||
| We're experiencing something that no generation's ever experienced. | ||
| It's the technological heights that we're living in. | ||
| And this ain't shit compared to what our kids are going to experience. | ||
| Well, hopefully there are intelligent people like Marxists on and other guys that continue to push the envelope to reconnect. | ||
| There is a reason. | ||
| That we feel amazing at the beach. | ||
| Not everyone has access to the beach, but there's a reason we feel amazing at the beach. | ||
| And scientifically, they're showing now with negative ions and the energy of the earth, it has an impact on how we feel. | ||
| The beach does. | ||
| The ocean does, for sure. | ||
| The wind coming off the ocean does. | ||
| So even if you were on a boat over the water, you're going to feel better just from doing that. | ||
| What does it do? | ||
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What specifically does it do to you? | |
| From what I read and I understand, there are an abundance of negative ions. | ||
| So from an electrical standpoint, you're talking again about the human energy field and auras and woo-woo shit. | ||
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Chakras. | |
| Chakras, bro. | ||
| Feel my chakra. | ||
| You're just going to feel more alive. | ||
| Every part of you... | ||
| I can't describe from a feeling standpoint. | ||
| Everyone has their experiences at the ocean. | ||
| But from an electrical standpoint, you would say you're clearing out blockages from your chi, from a Chinese medicine standpoint, from... | ||
| From a kundalini and yoga standpoint, you're going to clear out blockages the same way. | ||
| What are those blockages? | ||
| Is there really a blockage or are you just experiencing energy from the ocean and it feels good? | ||
| Maybe both. | ||
| Maybe there is no blockage. | ||
| But I'm willing to bet from somebody who sits too long or has stress, you know, and different things like that, like, there very much can be a physical attachment to emotion. | ||
| And if you've ever had, like, bodywork done and somebody, you have a, you know, somebody's working through a knot and you all of a sudden start thinking of this thing that's been bothering you. | ||
| In your head. | ||
| Relationship, whatever. | ||
| There is physical attachments to mental and emotional things that go on in your head. | ||
| So when you get a massage and you have a knot and they work through it, you think there's emotions tied up in that knot? | ||
| Not always, but sometimes. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I don't know how it works. | ||
| I don't know why it would manifest there. | ||
| I don't know why we have an electrical field. | ||
| We do. | ||
| I don't believe that there's emotions tied up in knots in your body. | ||
| I think when you get rid of those knots, it relaxes you and that helps you deal with emotions better. | ||
| Okay, maybe I went down the wrong path there. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Yes, I agree with that. | ||
| From a feel-good standpoint, feeling better at the ocean might just be the view. | ||
| But from an electrical standpoint, there are, and this goes back to the studies done at UCLA, there very much is an electrical standpoint that changes from the ionic energy coming from the waves, coming from the water, coming from the wind that's above the water. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because like yoga talk, they'll say shit to you like, this hip opener is going to make you feel better about your childhood. | ||
| It's going to open up emotional blockages. | ||
| And you're like, I'm pretty sure we're just stretching. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's talking about root chakra and exactly how the different chakras work, what they correlate to and things like that. | ||
| I don't know necessarily... | ||
| In a visionary state, I can see energy. | ||
| I don't see colors. | ||
| I don't see like, oh, here's my heart chakra or anything like that. | ||
| But I have seen trees communicate to one another. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Vibrations coming from the treetops as they were talking to one another. | ||
| What does it look like? | ||
| Like ripples in water. | ||
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| But it's the air that's rippling. | ||
| And you could see perfect circles coming from the tops of the treetops. | ||
| There was something I tweeted the other day. | ||
| They found that Venus flytraps do calculations. | ||
| They count. | ||
| From some study. | ||
| They figured out some method of measuring the fact that they actually count things. | ||
| They're doing calculations. | ||
| The idea that they're not smart. | ||
| There is an intelligence in plants. | ||
| I laugh at the argument from vegans, from a consciousness standpoint. | ||
| Whatever spark we have, call it soul, call it whatever, plants have it. | ||
| Whatever animates us and gives us... | ||
| Us. | ||
| It's in them too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| It is. | ||
| For sure is. | ||
| They can't communicate in a way that we can clearly understand. | ||
| They don't bark at us. | ||
| They don't look at us with sad puppy dog eyes. | ||
| But there's something alive in them. | ||
| Some strange way that they communicate and that they absorb energy and life. | ||
| And that you get that from them. | ||
| Life eats life. | ||
| But that said, I know many people that have had visionary experiences and became vegan afterwards. | ||
| Yeah, that's actually a That's actually really common, especially in people that do multiple ayahuasca ceremonies. | ||
| And I had a vision, my only vision I've ever had of bears, I had a vision of seeing a panda bear eat bamboo. | ||
| And then I saw a black bear eating berries, and I was like, oh, fuck, am I gonna be vegan? | ||
| And then I saw a grizzly snatching salmon out. | ||
| And I was like, oh, and it was just eat the natural, whatever it is. | ||
| There's no right or wrong, but eat, take from me. | ||
| This was Mother Earth talking to me, take from me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's what it was. | ||
| It wasn't, this is right, that's wrong. | ||
| Every animal eats different things, you know? | ||
| There's always these... | ||
| I made fun of Aaron Simpson for... | ||
| I think he posted a giant gorilla, and he's like, not enough protein in my diet, bro? | ||
| You know, and it's like this 800-pound gorilla, you know, and it's like, hey, look... | ||
| There's no right or wrong here. | ||
| You're not going to go to the lion and say, oh, you're doing this all wrong, lion. | ||
| Here, eat some grass instead. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's fine, as long as it's from nature. | ||
| Whether it provides, take it. | ||
| Gorilla's a totally different animal. | ||
| It's not a person. | ||
| People are omnivores. | ||
| From a chemical standpoint, they're going to break down things we can't break down without digestive enzymes added to our diet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But people love that argument. | ||
| Look how strong gorillas are, bro. | ||
| They just eat roots and shit. | ||
| Why don't you go pull shit out of a swamp and eat the stem? | ||
| Like, they chew on stems. | ||
| What else do they do? | ||
| They also have one-inch dicks. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| There's a lot of bad things about being a gorilla. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think that factory farming is something that people recognize a lot when they have psychedelic experiences. | ||
| The connection between the suffering of their food, and that's real. | ||
| I've had multiple visions of that, for sure. | ||
| That's as real as it gets, man. | ||
| And that's not fun. | ||
| It's not like you watch that and you're like, oh, like you're watching a movie. | ||
| It's not like watching The Cove. | ||
| And watching The Cove is hard enough. | ||
| But I mean, you experience it. | ||
| You feel what it's like. | ||
| You embody that consciousness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know. | ||
| They know. | ||
| They're fucking aware. | ||
| They're not just these dumb things like, well, go around and eat some whatever they provide for me. | ||
| No, you know. | ||
| My buddy's on the chopping block. | ||
| I'm stuck here shoulder to shoulder. | ||
| You can feel that and tap into that. | ||
| And I don't know how that's going to stop. | ||
| That seems to be ingrained in our idea of feeding cities. | ||
| It seems like the only way they can produce enough meat to feed all these fucking people in these cities, the way they're doing it now, is to continue this factory farming method. | ||
| It's just horrific. | ||
| The movie Food Inc. | ||
| Awesome documentary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the end is, hey, like, yeah, it's fucked. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| What do we do now? | ||
| You do vote with your dollar. | ||
| So every time you say, I can't even taste the difference between free range eggs and these caged eggs, I'm going to save a few bucks. | ||
| You vote with your dollar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like if you spend a little extra, you're going to feel better from it. | ||
| But also you're going to help change the culture. | ||
| And they show Walmart having an organic yogurt or something on the shelves just because there's demand there. | ||
| I mean, if you're going to Costco here in California, they have all kinds of organic shit in Costco, mass produced, wide scale for cheap because there's a demand for it. | ||
| You go there in Arizona or Nevada, maybe not the same. | ||
| Whole Foods is going to have Whole Foods, but from giant companies like that, they're listening. | ||
| And it's just a matter of money. | ||
| If people are willing to spend it and this is what they want, they're going to supply it, period. | ||
| Yeah, but there's also those ag-gag laws that keep people from filming factory farms where they pack these chickens into these horrible living conditions and you can't film it. | ||
| If you film it, you can get in deep trouble. | ||
| They did a drone video. | ||
| The pig farm? | ||
| Yeah, the pig farm in Carolina. | ||
| That was a mindfucker. | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| And they show the people there. | ||
| That ocean of shit and piss that they had next to it. | ||
| Yeah, and they interview the people that are living by there, and they just smell it constantly. | ||
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| This funk. | ||
| Death. | ||
| Just death and methane. | ||
| I mean, that river of piss and shit that comes out of the bottom of that place and settles into that little lake that they had in front of them. | ||
| And that's not normal piss and shit. | ||
| That is the worst, most diseased... | ||
| You know, piss and shit. | ||
| Imagine just living there, like working there rather, like someone who works in there, like the sadness you feel every day and the smells that you take in through your nose every day. | ||
| PETA was showing a video, probably one of the worst that I actually had the balls to watch, of how faux gras is made in France. | ||
| You ever seen this? | ||
| Yeah, I have seen it. | ||
| Just brutal. | ||
| Like people are working there and they're tossing in the chicks. | ||
| That's their job, throw them in the meat grinder. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So they have humans that actually have to be a part of that process. | ||
| So the ones that they don't... | ||
| That they don't want. | ||
| ...turn into, like, what is it, males or something like that? | ||
| They get rid of the males or they get rid of the females. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| One or the other. | ||
| But it's, yeah. | ||
| The foie gras. | ||
| You know what's interesting about foie gras is they actually gravitate towards that feeder. | ||
| It's really strange. | ||
| I had a farmer explain it to me before. | ||
| Like, they actually want to be fed. | ||
| Like, they go to that feeder and you can grab them and stick it in their mouth and... | ||
| It looks awful when they force feed them. | ||
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Tump them up. | |
| Yeah, they force feed them with grain. | ||
| They just pour it down their throat. | ||
| But apparently it's not that bad for them. | ||
| It's perception as far as like we're fattening them up for slaughter. | ||
| And what if that was you and they put your mouth around this metal pipe? | ||
| It's quality of life, you know? | ||
| But seeing these guys go through the meat grinder and some of them don't die. | ||
| The grinding up of the chicks? | ||
| They get ground up and some of them come out the other side still alive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not foie gras, though. | ||
| They do that with a lot of roosters. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| They just grind them up. | ||
| Yeah, it's a fuck deal. | ||
| It's a fuck deal. | ||
| You know, I was on the highway once and I passed this truck and it was stuffed with chickens. | ||
| It was just madness. | ||
| I was looking at this truck. | ||
| It was like, you know, there were some openings where the chickens could breathe, like some small holes in the side of the truck, and you're just realizing this is like a thing that's packed with life that's being treated like a commodity, like stacked rocks, you know? | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| It's bizarre to see a truck just driving down the road, just stacked bottom to top with living things that are just... | ||
| It's going to get either ground up or chopped up or, you know... | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| They're going off to death. | ||
| Well, it's what happened when we made these city things. | ||
| This is also something that didn't exist 10, 20,000 years ago. | ||
| When they had any kind of agriculture back then, you grew some livestock, you killed those animals, you knew where they lived, you knew what they ate, or you knew the guy who raised them. | ||
| And it was real simple. | ||
| And then somewhere along the line, someone said, we need like a Costco of farming. | ||
| We need to get a big place and stuff everything in there and close it to the general public so nobody can see and jab these fuckers with needles and fill them up with antibiotics so they don't get sick from all this crazy food we're giving them. | ||
| Boy, the change from that... | ||
| People are much more aware now and they're asking for free-range food and antibiotic-free food and grass-fed meats and things along those lines, but most people can't afford it. | ||
| A lot of people can't afford it. | ||
| There's a difference between... | ||
| I think I spent a shit ton of money on that. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| A lot of money goes there. | ||
| I think knowing... | ||
| Where to get your food from. | ||
| There's certain things you've got to go, like, okay, hey, I can't afford... | ||
| To this day, I don't buy grass-fed filet mignon. | ||
| It's $25 a pound. | ||
| But I can afford grass-fed burger and free-range chicken. | ||
| They sell free-range organic chicken at Costco now. | ||
| So I can get it for $3.99 a pound. | ||
| What does that mean, though, when they say free-range organic? | ||
| Are they on a field having a great time? | ||
| They're allowed to go around. | ||
| Now, there's varying levels of that, obviously. | ||
| And certainly on a mass scale, it's probably not going to be the same as Farmer John down the street who's doing it all natural. | ||
| Organic is still going to be organic feed. | ||
| They can't do any antibiotics and they can't feed them GMO food from what my understanding is. | ||
| Well, what's interesting to me is that we're having these conversations now very frequently. | ||
| There's a lot of these documentaries where it's Food, Inc. | ||
| or King Corn or Cowspiracy. | ||
| There's a bunch of these documentaries where people are examining how food is made and prepared and where it's coming from and how they're growing it. | ||
| And we're more aware of it now than ever before. | ||
| So some people, at least, some people, there's a movement to make more conscious choices. | ||
| And this wasn't around when our parents were around. | ||
| I don't think factory farming was around when they were around either. | ||
| There's also the difference in the amount of people. | ||
| I mean, I've read something about the 1970s. | ||
| There was like a hundred million plus less people in America in the 1970s. | ||
| I mean, that's inside my life. | ||
| A hundred million plus more people just here in the United States. | ||
| Go research that, Jamie. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| Jamie's a wizard with this shit. | ||
| 1970. 1970 was around 203 million. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's a hundred million difference. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Boy, do we fuck the fuck. | ||
| We just love making babies. | ||
| Baby boomers, all the baby boomers, kids, having kids. | ||
| You're part of the problem now too, pal. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the good news is we were like, oh, you know, three, four, who knows. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then you do that first six months and you're like, he might be an only child. | ||
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| What the fuck did we do? | ||
| What do we get ourselves into? | ||
| We were talking about this before the podcast. | ||
| Once they start talking, man, it's a totally different world. | ||
| It all gets way better. | ||
| It gets way more easy. | ||
| But when they start talking, they become like your little friends. | ||
| It becomes like, I can't wait to see my kids. | ||
| After this podcast, I'm going to go hang out with them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it becomes amazing. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| They run, and they hug you, and they talk to you about school. | ||
| And my daughter had this thing today at school. | ||
| She had this little, you know, like, what do they call them? | ||
| I want to say a recital. | ||
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Assembly. | |
| Assembly. | ||
| Thank you very much, Jamie. | ||
| They had a little assembly, and all the kids do their little thing. | ||
| And she had this big thing that she was, like, really proud of. | ||
| She had to announce something and say part of this little thing that they were going to do, part of this song. | ||
| They're doing a song about... | ||
| Different languages and speaking French and speaking Spanish. | ||
| And so she has to go up and do this little thing. | ||
| It's just like this little proud moment. | ||
| And afterwards, she's like beaming and she's so happy. | ||
| She's five, you know, and she runs up to me and jumps in my arms and gives me this big hug. | ||
| The love that you get from that, the feeling that you get of warmth and of love and of connection with this little tiny beautiful human, boy, it's like nothing else like it. | ||
| And then you also recognize, and this was one of the big ones for me, as my children got older and I started... | ||
| Putting it all, sort of trying at least to put the pieces of it all together. | ||
| I started looking at people like they're babies. | ||
| Like, oh, this fucked up dude who's all angry at the world and just devastated and just emotionally a wreck. | ||
| That was a baby. | ||
| That was a baby that just didn't get the love that he needed. | ||
| Or a baby that was abused, or a baby that was neglected, or a baby that was rejected, like, whatever it was, this fucked up person, now, in my mind, became a baby. | ||
| Like, crazy people. | ||
| Like, I'd see a girl, you know, on top of a bar with a fucking top off. | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| That's a baby. | ||
| That's a baby that became that. | ||
| Any asshole guy, you know, is fucking screaming at people in traffic and pointing out, I'll follow you to your fucking house. | ||
| That's a baby. | ||
| That's a baby that became this asshole. | ||
| It's just this developmental process that goes off the rails and into the forest and it's fucked up. | ||
| To get it back on track is insanely difficult. | ||
| Insanely. | ||
| And the work that's required, most people are not willing to do DMT. Most people are not willing to, you know, to change their diet and to take yoga every morning and to fucking get up early and meditate for 20 minutes every day to try to be mindful. | ||
| Most people are just acting on momentum, just scrambling and... | ||
| Yeah, how can I distract myself? | ||
| What can I put in front of my face that'll make me think of something else than what I have to deal with? | ||
| That's why I like talking to people like you. | ||
| Because I know that you're on this constant search for improvement and this constant search for growth. | ||
| And I think that talking to people like you and talking to people that are filling themselves with knowledge and... | ||
| And constantly trying to evaluate their perspective and maybe enhance their perspective. | ||
| That's inspiring. | ||
| And it also, it gives fuel to other people that want to do the same. | ||
| You know, like people will hear this podcast and they'll go, fuck man, I want to try some of that shit that Kyle Kingsbury tried. | ||
| Maybe I want to do ayahuasca. | ||
| Maybe I want to read some of the books that he read. | ||
| Maybe I want to try some of the meditation techniques that he's tried. | ||
| Maybe I want to do this. | ||
| Maybe I want to do that. | ||
| And I think in doing that, like in... | ||
| Like one person like you who's seeking these things, you can start like this cascade. | ||
| You start this effect. | ||
| You started the cascade. | ||
| I've listened to so many podcasts where I was like, fuck, that guy. | ||
| Alright, let me do that. | ||
| Even just Wim Hof, just in that. | ||
| Eight weeks. | ||
| I heard him, I don't know, maybe a couple weeks after he was on. | ||
| I was doing breath work at the beach and my buddy was like, man. | ||
| Well, we also had a little laser disc, we'll say. | ||
| We watched a laser disc. | ||
| You watched the Laserdisc? | ||
| How do I put this? | ||
| I'm trying to figure out what you're saying. | ||
| Can we read between the lines here? | ||
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Syllables. | |
| I'm trying. | ||
| Syllables. | ||
| Laser. | ||
| Oh, LSD. Sir. | ||
| Disc. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Why don't you say LSD? Okay. | ||
| You're talking about mushrooms and ayahuasca. | ||
| You're like, this is all the shit we've got to keep under wraps. | ||
| All right, that's true. | ||
| Laserdisc. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I didn't understand that. | ||
| That's something I've never done. | ||
| See, you know what? | ||
| I've never done the LSD. Yeah, well... | ||
| People keep telling me. | ||
| Some woman was yelling at me at a show the other night. | ||
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Go do LSD! Do it! | |
| Do LSD! Woo! | ||
| I was listening to you and Red Band talk about this and mescaline and things like that and peyote and I was like, man, I can't believe with having tried other things that you didn't try that. | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch of shit I haven't tried. | ||
| I heard... | ||
| Jim Fadiman, who wrote The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide, I heard him on Ferris' podcast, got his book, read it, and then I saw that MAPS was doing the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies, was doing a presentation in Palo Alto down the street from me, and Rick Doblin, the head of MAPS, was going to be there presenting with Jim Fadiman. | ||
| I was like, oh, this is amazing, I gotta go. | ||
| Once you've had a breakthrough psychedelic experience, it's amazing. | ||
| It can be life-changing or it can fuck your mind up, whatever. | ||
| You can take that for what it is. | ||
| A large portion of his book was on microdosing. | ||
| And in microdosing, they were talking about taking a sub... | ||
| Sub-perceptual breakthrough level. | ||
| So, meaning, like, I don't see shit, I just feel and think differently. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And he said that's really the future of psychedelic research, and that's exactly what Hoffman was doing until he died at 102 years old, the guy who developed LSD. So we went and I listened to these guys speak, and since then I have tried microdosing with LSD, and it is phenomenal. | ||
| It's almost like a smart drug in itself, but you feel good. | ||
| You have energy. | ||
| You can see why people might do it at a festival or a concert. | ||
| Everything sounds a little more clear. | ||
| Music sounds better. | ||
| I could see myself running on it. | ||
| You can still interact. | ||
| I could talk to cops on it. | ||
| You're fine to communicate and to be, but you do think differently. | ||
| You are connected in a different way. | ||
| That's all the rage in Silicon Valley. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And I thought of you right when I was here and I was like, oh man, not down with the mescaline, not down with the LSD, huh? | ||
| Not that I'm not down. | ||
| The problem with acid is the people that want to do acid with you, you don't want to do acid with them. | ||
| Yeah, I gotta go dude. | ||
| It's all these weird people that are pushing it and they want it like Duncan is the only guy that I know that gets real acid and we've sort of made a loose Commitment to me and him getting together and doing it one day. | ||
| I want to hear about that. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I'll definitely talk about it, but The thing that I've been really into that I get these big breakthrough objective moments introspective moments is edible pot And flotation chambers. | ||
| There's something about sensory deprivation with the edible pot. | ||
| It creates this bizarre Sort of hallucinogenic state, visionary state, that's very unusual. | ||
| From a visionary standpoint, when you see, obviously you're in pitch black, so anything you see in your mind's eye is what you're seeing. | ||
| Would you say you see more of the sacred geometry or the kaleidoscope of shapes and things that you do from DMT? Or do you just see a memory? | ||
| Or you relive something, or maybe you see something from... | ||
| That's been on your mind and you live that moment for a second and then pull back out of it. | ||
| Well, that's one of the fascinating things about it is the experience is incredibly flexible. | ||
| Whereas, like, the experience of DMT, although it varies, it's also very DMT. Like, when you do DMT, you're like... | ||
| Oh, reality dissolves and you're there. | ||
| Like, the last one that I had was very strange. | ||
| Like, there was these jesters that were giving me the finger. | ||
| They kept giving me the finger. | ||
| I'm like, what is this about? | ||
| And then I was trying to figure out, like, what are they trying to tell me? | ||
| And one of the things they were trying to tell me is... | ||
| It was almost like a reaction to not worrying... | ||
| What other people think of you or not worrying about people fucking with you or not. | ||
| It was almost like, what do you care? | ||
| What do you care? | ||
| I'm doing this to you too. | ||
| What do you care? | ||
| What do you care? | ||
| Like, why are you tripping about this? | ||
| And then I kind of got it in the trip and then they're like shaking their head. | ||
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| And there's this weird fractal thing that's constantly going on. | ||
| But every time I do it, it seems like these lessons that are wrapped up in these visions with communicating entities, whatever the fuck they are, whether they're figments of your imagination or whether they're real, there's always lessons in there. | ||
| And these lessons are always pertaining to either a personal history That I got going on or something that I'm struggling with or trying to overcome or something that I'm constantly focusing on and trying to understand better. | ||
| So it's like, let me help you out there, dude. | ||
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| And these gestures were all going, fuck you. | ||
| I was like, why are they going fuck you? | ||
| I was trying to figure out what it is. | ||
| It's almost an inoculation to hostility. | ||
| They're letting you, like, why are you even taking this in? | ||
| Like, you know, why are you even concentrating on that? | ||
| This is pointless. | ||
| There's so much more. | ||
| And then when you get past that level of the experience, it blossoms into some new level of the experience. | ||
| So the DMT state is very DMT-like. | ||
| But the cannabis, the edible cannabis, the 11-hydroxymetabolite state that you get from edible cannabis, which is dose per dose five times more psychoactive than THC. That's why people, when they eat it, they trip out and they go, oh my god, I think somebody laced it with something. | ||
| No, it's very much like an intense psychedelic when you eat it. | ||
| That's why you've got to be careful and not eat too much. | ||
| People that fucking freak out and have panic attacks, it's because it's strong as shit when you eat it. | ||
| But in the tank, Sometimes I go on these journeys that I'm in the forest and I can hear other languages and I understand them and I don't know what the fuck they are. | ||
| And sometimes I'm a part of a ball of yarn that the universe is made out of. | ||
| And each individual fiber that's in this gigantic strand that's a part of this wrapped up ball of yarn is all the individual atoms that make up being a person or a tree or a book or a rock and all these different things are intertwined and it shows you the fractal nature of reality from the lowest Subatomic particle to the the biggest planet in the solar system to the biggest galaxy in the universe and it just goes out | ||
| there in this very strange and humbling and bizarre like a Vulnerable like vulnerability inducing state and then it'll go from that to cartoons fucking like it'll go like neon cartoons Banging each other and producing a bunch of other neon car. | ||
| You had me at cartoons fucking Dude, there's not just cartoons fucking, but they're like neon. | ||
| They're like made out of like neon lights. | ||
| And they're banging each other and they're becoming other ones. | ||
| Having that goddamn thing in my basement is a blessing and a curse at the same time. | ||
| Because it's a blessing in that it's great that I can go in there anytime I want. | ||
| But sometimes one crazy trip will just leave me like baffled for days. | ||
| But the relaxation aspect of it, too. | ||
| Sometimes I'll go in there on the natch and just chill out and just float, and I get out of there, man. | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| I'll be in there, and while I'm in there floating, I'll push down my hips, and my back will go pop, pop. | ||
| Everything's loosening up because of all the Epsom salts in it. | ||
| It has magnesium, and that magnesium is great for your body. | ||
| It's one of the best ways to absorb magnesium is through the skin. | ||
| That's why an Epsom salt bath is so good for your muscles. | ||
| But no Epsom salt bath can fuck with the tank. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| Thousand pounds of salt in there. | ||
| No massage can fuck with the tank. | ||
| I've had amazing massages, but when you come out of the tank, you do feel like you're floating for hours after. | ||
| You just feel high. | ||
| So you've been in the tank, you just haven't been in the tank on anything? | ||
| I haven't done anything in the tank. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| And that's like... | ||
| Just smoke a little... | ||
| Just a little... | ||
| I'd rather have a good... | ||
| Now there's places available in the Bay Area. | ||
| See, back in the day, there was a lady in Los Gatos that wasn't far from me. | ||
| And she sponsored me for fight camps. | ||
| So I would go in once a week or twice a week leading up to a fight. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And it was amazing. | ||
| That really got me into flotation. | ||
| And then she ended up moving down to Santa Cruz, which is a little hike for me. | ||
| So I've been to Oakland, different places. | ||
| They have them set up now. | ||
| And there's a couple places that allow the midnight run. | ||
| So you can go in at midnight and stay overnight. | ||
| So you do an overnight float all the way until 6 a.m. | ||
| or 8 a.m. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And someone's in there with you? | ||
| Oh, they have someone working there, but you can go in there and just sleep in it, basically. | ||
| Fucking crazy hippies. | ||
| I think they know what's up. | ||
| I think they know what time it is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| It's just a matter of what... | ||
| That's why I was curious. | ||
| I wanted to ask you about that. | ||
| When you say visionary state, what are you getting from that? | ||
| Well, when you say sometimes I'm in the woods or this, that's all the answer that I need. | ||
| That's for sure going to happen. | ||
| I've done mushrooms in them, and that's pretty intense too. | ||
| How many grams? | ||
| Not that many. | ||
| Like three? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| See, I found like... | ||
| I mean, that's a lot, but it's not like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like between a one gram to four gram dose, I get a lot of feeling from it, but I don't necessarily get to a visionary state. | ||
| But five grams? | ||
| But do you do it in silent darkness? | ||
| Like, where are you doing it? | ||
| Yeah, I guess it would be different there. | ||
| The visionary state, to me, occurs with the eyes closed. | ||
| That's where the real visions come. | ||
| And most of the time when people are doing it, they're out in nature. | ||
| The first time I ever did mushrooms, we did it in the woods. | ||
| It was beautiful, man. | ||
| It felt like the vibrations of the earth as if it was loving you and breathing. | ||
| You felt connected to it in a way that I never felt before. | ||
| But there was not much visions because you're out there. | ||
| I mean, it seemed alive and everything seemed strange. | ||
| It was kind of pixelated and everything sort of had a geometric pattern to it in a weird way that you never experience. | ||
| Tasha and I have had him at the beach, and we had a monster dose one time after ayahuasca has really kind of improved other psychedelic experiences for both of us. | ||
| Because you didn't let go? | ||
| Yeah, like some of those lessons of not trying to control it, you know, just going with the flow and... | ||
| And then also from a stomach standpoint, like a lot of people that eat mushrooms, it fucks their stomach up. | ||
| It used to fuck my stomach up. | ||
| But after you've purged from ayahuasca, it's nothing for me to have a bunch of mushrooms in my stomach. | ||
| It's never did that to me, to my stomach. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| It's hit or miss. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| I think it's a very personal deal. | ||
| But we had seven grams each. | ||
| On the beach. | ||
| And that's the most we've ever taken. | ||
| And I went, when I was face up, she's 110 pounds too, so she's the real trooper. | ||
| But when I was face up, you could see things that I wouldn't normally see, like seagulls in a V formation. | ||
| I could see, like, laser beams connecting their wings. | ||
| And then it was like fractal, like you would from a DMT trip. | ||
| But every color of the light spectrum was connecting their wings as they flowed through air. | ||
| And then the sound of the ocean is different. | ||
| But then when I went face down and just buried my face in the sand, then I had complete visionary state, just like DMT or ayahuasca even. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| It'd probably last a long-ass time, too. | ||
| A long time. | ||
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A long day. | |
| That was a long day at the beach. | ||
| I bet it was probably a couple solid hours of visions then, right? | ||
| With that kind of dose? | ||
| Yeah, on and off. | ||
| There were some... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I kept seeing... | ||
| Initially, I kept seeing... | ||
| Like a group of people kind of eyeballing us. | ||
| And I was thinking, are they going to take our shit? | ||
| Are they going to try to steal? | ||
| Are they going to have to fight someone? | ||
| This is weird. | ||
| This is a place not a lot of people go to. | ||
| And I kept seeing that. | ||
| And then I had to take a deep breath. | ||
| And Toshka was like, feel me. | ||
| Feel my energy. | ||
| She could feel what's going on. | ||
| She's like, are you okay? | ||
| I'm like, is somebody going to come? | ||
| She's like, no. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| She's playing with fucking sea turtle bugs and shit, whatever. | ||
| She's in heaven. | ||
| She's looking over at me. | ||
| I'm like, am I okay? | ||
| She's like, seriously, you're fine. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| And I put my head back down. | ||
| And I kept seeing. | ||
| Then this young kid kind of comes through the crowd. | ||
| He's going to challenge me. | ||
| And he walks down. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Oh, fuck, I gotta defend us. | ||
| I gotta fight. | ||
| And I know how fucked up I am. | ||
| I can't believe I gotta defend myself. | ||
| And I'm like, it's playing out in my mind all the ways that I'm gonna have to fight this guy. | ||
| And I realized right then, like, I stand up, open my eyes, like, oh, fuck, it's just a vision. | ||
| And I was like, my heart's racing. | ||
| I'm like, why would I think that? | ||
| And then I realized every fucking day of my life since I was a little kid, I play that out. | ||
| Anytime someone gives me a dirty look or says, like, whatever, being picked on as a kid, bullied, that kind of shit, like, I always play that out, like, am I gonna have to fight this guy? | ||
| Am I gonna have to fucking defend myself? | ||
| How's it gonna play out? | ||
| Oh, he's... | ||
| He's got a long fucking neck. | ||
| I'm gonna take his back and choke him out. | ||
| Whatever, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| But it just showed me how silly this dumbass mind game that I would play, and I would go down the rabbit hole on a fucking daily basis sometimes. | ||
| Like, just playing into this thought of negativity that had no space for me. | ||
| And it does me no good to play that out. | ||
| Like, well, that's fine, because then I'll do this. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| None of that shit. | ||
| I'm wasting time, and I'm becoming emotionally attached to those thoughts. | ||
| It's not just, oh, I'm thinking about this. | ||
| I'm feeling like I'm in a fight right now. | ||
| That fucks you up. | ||
| That turns you into not your best version of yourself. | ||
| So that vision from Mushrooms was just a fucking game changer. | ||
| It doesn't stop me from having those thoughts, but it allows me to catch myself. | ||
| I'm aware of it. | ||
| The pattern still exists. | ||
| You just don't entertain it anymore. | ||
| I don't entertain it. | ||
| I can see it and let it go. | ||
| Like when they talk about meditating, oh, if you have a thought, just recognize the thought and let it go. | ||
| That's easier said than done. | ||
| Now I've had time to digest and assimilate that. | ||
| And especially bouncing or bartending and guys being a dick or whatever. | ||
| It's very easy, much easier for me to be like, I don't have to entertain. | ||
| If the guy swings at me, then it happens. | ||
| That's what I worry about. | ||
| You're not going to not know when it's getting ugly. | ||
| I always say that about cops. | ||
| Sometimes I bet certain people, whether it's the people that deal with the cops or certain people that are cops, things happen that don't need to happen because people have these ideas or have these patterns that are playing on in their head. | ||
| And for a cop, I would imagine it's got to be incredibly difficult because you're dealing with all these people that are constantly breaking laws and violating things and you're supposed to enforce them and you're constantly worried about getting shot and getting home to your family. | ||
| You're constantly worried about pulling some guy over and he's got fucking 20 pounds of coke in the back and a machine gun in his front seat. | ||
| You don't know because his windows are tinted. | ||
| And you're like, sir, roll down your window, and you get your hand on your gun, and you're like, what the fuck am I getting into here? | ||
| And then these patterns that people have, whether it's as a police officer or as a person getting pulled over by cops, they can change the way you interact with people and change the circumstances of the day and turn a tragedy into a nothing or a nothing into a tragedy. | ||
| Yeah, that's the lens. | ||
| That's the filter you see through. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All your interactions come out of that. | ||
| Patterns, man. | ||
| And sometimes the beautiful thing about psychedelics is that it allows you to get outside of you and look at the ridiculousness of you. | ||
| That's one of the biggest, yeah. | ||
| When you talk about change and transformation and things like that, that's been my biggest catalyst in seeing the way I behave. | ||
| And that doesn't mean that I'm Mr. Perfect and that I don't get angry or I'm not a, like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No sleep, first six months with a child. | ||
| Tasha and I have had... | ||
| Anybody who's had a kid knows that's fucking a real struggle. | ||
| There's no perfect people, man. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| This idea that there's a perfect person, this is an enlightened being. | ||
| There are people that choose to go down certain paths that will lead to them making better decisions, lead to them living a more harmonious life. | ||
| But you're just a monkey. | ||
| You're just some fucking talking ape that's on this planet filled with contradictions and chaos, and you're trying to get through, like all of us are. | ||
| And there's gonna be interrelationship drama, and work drama, and fucking community drama, and neighborhood drama, and sometimes you'll be too stressed out, or too tired, or too distracted, or too overworked, or whatever the fuck it is, and you're gonna have a bad reaction to those things. | ||
| It doesn't define you. | ||
| That's a real problem that people have, though, is one bad reaction, like you yell at your neighbor, and your neighbor, fuck you, and the cops come. | ||
| You piece of shit, I'm gonna slash your tires and fuck you. | ||
| And these things that happen, I got a buddy of mine last night explaining to me something that he got into with his neighbor, and he accused his neighbor of slashing his tire, and he fucking yelled at his neighbor, and then he got his car picked up by AAA, they changed his tire, they go, you hit a curb. | ||
| So he had hit a curb and deflated his tire and he was blaming his neighbor. | ||
| Pulled a spare out of your mouth right now. | ||
| He created this whole... | ||
| And he was like... | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| He's a comic. | ||
| I was like, are you going to talk about this on stage? | ||
| He was like, I can't. | ||
| I'm too embarrassed now. | ||
| I'm not ready to like... | ||
| This isn't funny to me yet. | ||
| He's like telling me because we're friends and we're both laughing. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, man. | ||
| Did you apologize to him? | ||
| He was like, not yet. | ||
| He was like, god damn it. | ||
| I don't know what to do. | ||
| Like, because his neighbor would get pissed because he parked in front of his house, and the guy had trash cans, and he's like, you're parking too close to my trash cans, I can't get my trash cans out. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| And so he goes out, he finds this note on his car, and his tire's flat, and he assumed that the guy wrote the note flat in his tire. | ||
| He's a good guy, but he fucked up. | ||
| Fuck-ups. | ||
| But if you took those fuck-ups and it's all you concentrate on your whole life, all the times you fucked up. | ||
| You're like, oh my god, I'm a fuck-up. | ||
| No, you're just a person, man. | ||
| That shit will repeat itself. | ||
| You will fucking fall into the path of that instead of having the humility or at least... | ||
| Getting a little help from an outside source that allows you to take a step back, pull the blinders off and see what's going on and be like, you know what, man, I fucked up. | ||
| That's also why objectivity is so important and introspective thought is so important because sometimes people just make excuses for everything they do. | ||
| Everything they do, they have a fucking excuse for. | ||
| So you never get the lessons. | ||
| You never get the growth. | ||
| You never learn. | ||
| You just constantly repeat. | ||
| Constantly repeat. | ||
| And then one day you're a bitter old man yelling at these kids to stop with their fucking rock and roll music and your goddamn car driving down my street with your loud muffler. | ||
| That's... | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| You know, just patterns. | ||
| They fall into these patterns and then they die. | ||
| And they just never, never corrected enough. | ||
| Never, never just, never got it. | ||
| Never got it right. | ||
| No introspection if there's no quiet time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're running out of time. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Kyle Kingsborough, you bad motherfucker. | ||
| This is fun, man. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Glad we did this. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| So I gotta get one of those bad boys and get my millimolars, millimolars? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Millimolars checked. | ||
| Millimolars checked. | ||
| The blood ketone meter. | ||
| So let's do this again, man. | ||
| I think we could probably do this for fucking hours and hours and hours. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Come back again. | ||
| We'll do it one more time. | ||
| Kingsboo on Twitter, if you want to get a hold of Kyle. | ||
| I put that on my Twitter. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Appreciate it, man. | ||
| Thank you very much, brother. | ||
| All right, my friends, that's it for the week. | ||
| Oh, we'll be back with a fight companion Saturday night. | ||
| Brendan Shaw, Brian Callen, Eddie Bravo, and me. | ||
| So that's Saturday night. | ||
| We'll be here for the UFC fights. | ||
| All right, my friends. | ||
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