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Feb. 3, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #755 - Daniele Bolelli
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joe rogan
*Eehaa* I'm here with my brother, Daniele Bellelli, one of the few men who can pull off a yin-yang bandana like some renegade biker on an episode of Grey's Anatomy.
Look at that fucking thing.
But you fucking bounce it out with a Frank Frazetta, Conan the Barbarian t-shirt.
That shirt is the shit.
Where'd you pick that up?
daniele bolelli
Ah, man, I was looking all over the place for it.
And I found it through some...
They probably had it from, like, some old comic book store a million years ago, and I picked it up.
joe rogan
That's a dope shirt.
I might have to hide that one from my wife, because she'd probably try to throw it out.
daniele bolelli
Why?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
You know how women are, man.
unidentified
Come on.
daniele bolelli
This contains everything that's good in life.
joe rogan
Maybe it's time to grow up.
Maybe you shouldn't have a comic book guy on your shirt.
It's not a fucking comic book.
It's a novel.
Robert E. Howard wrote a series of novels.
It's about Conan the Barbarian.
People don't know.
daniele bolelli
That's like my entire life philosophy is based on Conan the Barbarian.
Everything else is commentary.
joe rogan
You can get in trouble for that kind of philosophy, sir.
daniele bolelli
I don't understand.
joe rogan
But Krom's a good god.
daniele bolelli
Krom is an excellent god.
joe rogan
Because he doesn't give a fuck.
He's not here to help you.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
Not going to save you.
daniele bolelli
So it's very, that's the beauty of the colored thing.
It's very real.
You know, it's like, hey, life is tough.
Deal the fuck with it, because that's the way it's going to be.
Yeah, there are horrible things that can happen.
Yeah, there's no guarantees about the afterlife.
Yeah, all of that.
But hey, in the meantime, there are women, there's red wine, there's enemies to be killed.
What more do you want?
joe rogan
Probably parasites, all sorts of weird diseases nobody's ever diagnosed yet.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that pirate is the last pleasant one.
joe rogan
You're lucky you lived to 30. It's kind of amazing when they keep finding these new species of people.
They had this article yesterday where they've examined the teeth of the hobbit people on the island of Flores.
And so now they're 99.9% positive.
It's 100% positive.
Not 99.9% positive, it's 100%, but 99.9% positive that it's a completely different species of human being.
They found the teeth of these things.
And you gotta think, like, that's only like 14,000 years ago, you know?
And we don't even remember those things.
They've sort of become like this weird little legend.
Like, how many different versions of people were out there?
Now, what a hard, scrabble life it must have been.
daniele bolelli
Extinction is the name of the game.
I mean, when you think about it, the overwhelming majority of species that have ever been around, they've all gone extinct.
joe rogan
Yeah, more than 90%, right?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's my point.
Conan is the truth.
joe rogan
Yeah, with bear claws around his neck.
That's a fucking awesome picture.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's why I have it in my house as a poster.
I'm madly obsessed.
joe rogan
I have a bunch of his old books for Zeta's old books, like sketchbooks and books that are collections of his paintings.
God, that kind of art that he did was just so indicative of that time.
It's like so 1970s fantasy art, you know?
Sigh.
Those days, man.
You know what?
No one has really captured it correctly in a movie.
They just have not done it right.
daniele bolelli
You didn't dig the first one?
joe rogan
Nah.
daniele bolelli
Nah?
You didn't like that one?
joe rogan
It was fun.
It was campy.
But it was more like the comic book than it was like the books.
I think Jason Momoa was the best version of Conan physically.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
The way he looked.
daniele bolelli
Just the screenwriting was...
joe rogan
Dog shit.
daniele bolelli
That was painful.
joe rogan
That movie was dog shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that guy's awesome.
I love that Jason Momoa guy.
daniele bolelli
Oh, he's great.
In Game of Thrones, he was a kickass.
joe rogan
He seemed like the most likely Conan.
Might have to get him on the juice, though.
daniele bolelli
Well, there's that too.
joe rogan
Might have to get him on some fucking heavy-duty powerlifting program.
daniele bolelli
Where he is ripped to.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got to look a little more yoked.
Because Conan was just supposedly ridiculously impressive as a person.
daniele bolelli
And in fact, when they put Arnold as the first one, that sets the bar pretty high right away.
joe rogan
But Arnold was built incorrectly.
He had all these unnecessary muscles, like big titty muscles.
You need a guy who's built more like Yoel Romero.
Like a barbarian Yoel Romero with a sword.
daniele bolelli
It was basically me, just exactly like me.
joe rogan
I was going to say that, but you're here, and I don't want you to feel embarrassed.
daniele bolelli
It's okay.
unidentified
It's okay.
daniele bolelli
I can accept compliments.
It's fine.
joe rogan
So tell me about your book, man, Not Afraid, on fear, heartbreak, raising a baby girl, and cage fighting.
That's an unusual combination of things.
daniele bolelli
Well, that's what makes it interesting.
To me, all the stuff I've written so far was kind of more philosophical in nature.
This is a bit more personal.
This is very much my life.
It's sort of divided up in three parts.
The first part is about dealing with fear in martial arts, and it's kind of like my experience of constantly Testing the boundaries, getting crushed, try again, find a way to make it, deal with that scaring feeling of when you have somebody coming at you who has been training for the last few years and wants to take your head off and you're like, shit, this is a little intimidating.
There's all the pressure, people watching you, the idea of getting physically, if you fuck up, getting physically dominated by another man, which is never a fun feeling, that kind of shit.
And so that's that part.
But then to me, that part just serves as a Springboard for the other stuff, which is, well, that's great when you're on the mat, when you're in the cage for that stuff, but what about the rest of life?
And in this case, you know, part two deals with what happened with my wife, you know, very quick, uh, get a little sick and all of a sudden, what the fuck is going on?
Your body starts falling apart, diagnosis with brain tumor, dead within six months from the time the first symptom came up.
So it was really quick, really harsh and All the stuff that you may imagine like that.
And then the part three, sort of, okay, now what?
You know, what do I do with it now?
And life afterwards, when my wife died, my daughter was 19 months old, all this shit was happening, as you may imagine.
And so it's like...
In some way, these three elements kind of go together.
It's like the martial art part was sort of a warm-up in terms of learning some things that then I would have to apply on a much bigger, more important skill in day-to-day life.
And then, you know, when shit hits the fan, and then afterwards how that changes my attitude about things, my life overall.
And, you know, when I was talking with publishers, originally they wanted a nice, pretty arc where you start out as this scared wimp, And then you discover the secrets and then you come back and you're this fearless guy who will go through life without fear.
And that's bullshit.
I mean, I like to sell it that way that would sound cool, but I'm not in the business of bullshitting myself or anybody else.
The seven steps to getting rid of fear is not that stuff.
To me, my experience of dealing with fear is a fucking constant battle.
It's like you wake up one day and maybe you learn to deal with it 0.01% better and that's a win.
And then the next day it hits you again and you have to deal with it again.
For me in particular, afterwards what happened is the reality of realizing that everything is fleeting, everything can be taken away from you, everything you care about can go in the snap of a finger.
That really freaked me out.
It's one thing to know it intellectually.
It's one thing when it hits home for real.
And so once in a while, you know, I'll have my days when I'm totally fine.
I feel strong.
I feel great.
And then all of a sudden will hit me when the paralyzing thought of, man, everybody I love will die.
I have limited control of what's going to happen in my life.
Everything I care about can be taken away from me in a second.
Shit, welcome to your day.
Now, deal with the next 24 hours.
It's like, it's heavy.
And so dealing with that aspect, finding ways to, you know, and then I find a way to do it.
And then a month later, we'll hit you again.
And maybe because you found a way to do it before, it hits you a little less.
joe rogan
But don't you think that's everybody?
I mean, there's no one.
There's a false narrative.
That someone's figured out how to get rid of fear.
It doesn't exist.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
joe rogan
If you have no fear, that means that you're not experiencing any danger or anything unknown, and somehow or another you're immortal.
daniele bolelli
Yep.
joe rogan
Because if you think about the consequences of death, you're going to get nervous.
You're going to get afraid.
If you're taking any sort of risks or chances, you're going to get nervous.
It's part of being a person.
It's part of what's fun about getting things done and succeeding is knowing all the mental roadblocks that are in place to keep you from being successful.
daniele bolelli
Big time.
And that's why I completely agree with you.
They affect everybody.
So to me, this is just, you know, this is my experience, but it's like, it's not that I have any illusion that A, I'm fighting battles that are unknown to other people.
Because the reality is that everybody has shit to deal with in their own lives.
Everybody has horrible things happen to them.
Horrible may vary from one person to the next.
You may be slightly luckier than the next guy, but the reality is that everybody deals with it.
So the question of how do you deal with it, what are the things that help you get the job done, and which ones...
joe rogan
That's one of the great things about martial arts is that dealing with the fear and the pressure and stress of training, it helps mitigate some of the pressures and stresses of everyday life.
daniele bolelli
That's exactly, that's why, you know, when I went to some publishers initially, they were like, ah, you know, hold your wife, life after, we got that part, but what the fuck does martial art have to do with it?
I'm like, this has everything to do with it, you know, because those are the same dynamics, but I get to train them in a safe space in a martial art contest, and then you apply them to the real game on the bigger scale in life.
joe rogan
And it's a controlled space in terms of it's going to happen at 8.30 on Tuesday night.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
joe rogan
You get in there.
It's like you can prepare for it.
You eat for it.
You make sure you have your meal digested in your stomach before you get there.
You have a cup of coffee before you get to the gym.
You stretch out.
You prepare yourself.
And then you go through it.
But in doing that, it definitely helps.
I've had so many Twitter messages and Facebook messages.
People that I meet after shows that told me that they started jiu-jitsu after listening to this podcast and it changed their life and that it helps them so much to deal with pressure and now in pursuing a healthy lifestyle.
Even guys like Anthony Bourdain, who was in his 50s.
I believe he was 58 when he started jiu-jitsu.
58, Jesus.
57 or 58. He was a lifetime smoker, heroin user, pretty much abused everything, alcohol, everything.
Now is way more healthy.
I talked to him off statins, off of high blood pressure medication, lost 30 pounds just from training, eats healthy, still likes to party it up a little bit.
Smoking a little weed and get a little booze on.
But the guy looks great.
He looks great and he's obsessed with jujitsu and he loves it and it sort of transformed his life.
You know, his wife is a phenom.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I saw it.
joe rogan
Octavia is a beast.
She trains every day.
I mean, she's essentially, I mean, that's her life.
Her life is training.
She loves it.
And it just got him.
It got him.
She said that she talked him into doing it by promising him narcotics.
Which is one of the most hilarious stories ever.
She said, like, if you come to train with me, I'll give you some Vicodin.
I was like, I'm in.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
Well, he's one of the few guys that has been a self-professed junkie.
But was not only able to kick it, but still would get high, still drink, and obviously doesn't have a problem.
He's very healthy.
Doesn't do anything when he's at home.
When he's on the road and he's filming a show and the filming's done, he'll have a few drinks or even while filming.
But it's not like he's got a problem.
He definitely doesn't have a problem.
I've hung out with him.
He's healthy.
daniele bolelli
That's as good as it gets.
You get to party without paying the price.
joe rogan
But it's amazing because everybody has this idea, or most people, that are in recovery that you can't do anything.
There's very few people I know that will do something.
I know a few guys who had alcohol problems will smoke a little pot.
Or, you know, do little mushrooms every now and then or something like that.
But he's one of those guys that he'll do everything other than the heroin, you know?
daniele bolelli
Well, I mean, if you can, that I think is everybody's psychology is different.
Some people, once they open the door a tiny bit, they can tell.
It's like, then I need to open it all the way.
I can't fucking stop.
Then if you know you're that kind of person, yeah, then don't open it a tiny bit.
Then you shouldn't.
But if you are not, then what the hell is wrong with enjoying a little bit if you can, you know?
It really depends person to person.
Some people can do that.
Other people have to go cold turkey or they can't.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's definitely true.
It's just cool to see someone do something positive.
It always is.
Inspiration is a real fuel for human beings.
When you see your friends Or someone you know that you like and they're doing something that's really transforming them and helping them.
It fires you up, too.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I'm like the biggest wimp.
Every time I see you're the cheesiest inspirational video, I start crying like a baby.
I'm like, that is so moving.
unidentified
It's like...
daniele bolelli
Every single time, you know.
joe rogan
I'm like that, too.
I'm such a bitch.
unidentified
I'm such a bitch.
joe rogan
I don't cry over sad shit that much, though.
It's weird.
unidentified
No, I know.
joe rogan
Like, my cat died.
I didn't cry.
I've had her for 19 years.
I didn't cry.
I felt bad.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I felt sad, but, you know, I felt like, well, she lived a great life, and she was a cool cat.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's not like something cool happens.
Something cool happens.
I'm like, wow.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I have the same thing, man.
It's like, I think Krom would kick us out of Valhalla.
We would be like, come on, you cry for that?
What a bitch.
joe rogan
Where does Krom hang out?
He's not in Valhalla.
He has a different place, right?
I forget where it is.
daniele bolelli
Not sure.
They mix it up a little.
So their dysmology is a little.
They play it loose, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't remember where Krom hung out.
daniele bolelli
The core is probably severe human heads.
joe rogan
Some guy was giving me a hard time on Twitter the other day, and just for a goof, his spelling was so atrocious.
I was like, oh my god, what is this guy into?
I love it when people get mad at me.
It was like a Ted Cruz post that he got mad at me over.
So I went to his Twitter page.
And, uh, I was just reading these posts about him looking up into the heavens, wondering what, you know, what God is like living in the clouds.
Like, this motherfucker's serious.
Like, dude, you could drive a fucking plane through the clouds, asshole.
unidentified
Alright?
joe rogan
There's nothing up there.
Okay, that shit was back when people didn't have planes.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Now that we have planes, you can't say that God's right up there, man, in the clouds.
No, no, no.
Fucking Southwest is up there.
They're going right through the clouds with a jet.
They're giving out free peanuts.
You fucking dickhead.
daniele bolelli
If you look real careful while you're eating your peanuts, you may see dog ducking trying to avoid the planes.
joe rogan
God damn it.
These Ted Cruz motherfuckers are scary.
They got a little victory under their belt in Iowa, and they're doubling down on the Bible readings.
daniele bolelli
That's scary to me.
unidentified
I mean, it's like...
joe rogan
That fucking guy.
daniele bolelli
The Democratic Party sucks, but the Republican Party has gone so far off the deep end that it's just downright nuts.
joe rogan
Well, did you ever see that?
I tweeted a quote the other day from Barry Goldwater, where Barry Goldwater, back in the 50s, had recognized that there was an issue with preachers and ministers getting involved in the Republican Party, that they would ruin it.
daniele bolelli
I know that's the scary thing, is that you go back 50 years to the guys who were considered nutcases back in the day, and they would be considered moderate centrist today.
They would be like, oh, Barry Goldwater, what a reasonable voice, you know?
joe rogan
Well, he was the one who was warning against it.
unidentified
Right.
daniele bolelli
No, exactly.
That's what I mean.
He had some positions that were a bit on the extreme end, but he also had a bunch of others that were very, very reasonable, where he made sense, you know?
And today he would be seen as a fucking liberal, you know, look at that guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
These are strange times where it's kind of strange because this is the most advanced as far as our ability to access information.
It's never been like this before.
And as far as our ability to access studies and find out the actual real scientific facts about certain things.
But...
This is like, it's more important now to profess a love or a belief in God when you're running for president, I think, than ever.
Than ever.
You have to say it.
Like, everybody has to say it.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, there's never been once a guy who could just skirt a question and not discuss it.
You have to go in and say...
unidentified
Do you believe what I believe or not?
joe rogan
Do you believe what I believe?
unidentified
Because I'm about to give you a vote and I want to make sure.
Like, whoa.
daniele bolelli
I try to stay away from all the political discussions because there's no point.
Within about 0.1 seconds it becomes, fuck you, fuck you.
And it's just, there's not even a...
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
There's not even an...
Like, I get it.
If we disagree, there's controversy.
Okay, that can be fun.
That can be interesting.
Hell, we can even learn some stuff from each other.
But that's not even that point.
It's just pure crazy extremist insults back and forth.
And I'm like, eh.
joe rogan
This is my all-time favorite election.
All time.
Because it's the stupidest election.
It's the shittiest choices, the least inspired candidates.
This is the best one for me.
This is the best.
daniele bolelli
That's the Dan Carly thing.
He had a whole show going on about how happy he was that Donald Trump was in the race for entertainment factor.
And also because he was making a good point because he said, look, in the primaries, for example, in the Republican primaries, the game is you have to go 0.1 millimeter more conservative than the next guy to win the primaries, but you don't want to go too far because otherwise you lose the general election.
And you have Trump who steps in and he goes like 20 yards past everybody else.
And so everybody else is like, shit, if I don't follow him, I lose the primary.
But if I follow him, I'm done in the general.
So that was having a blast with that.
He was laughing.
joe rogan
Which episode is that?
daniele bolelli
It's a common sense episode.
Maybe after the first Republican debate.
That's what it was.
joe rogan
God, I gotta go listen to that.
daniele bolelli
It's true.
I mean, that's the way it is.
joe rogan
Well, Donald Trump has nothing to lose.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I don't think he really wants to be president.
I really don't think he does.
And I think that's why he's so outrageous.
Right.
But I think, along the way, he's kind of fucked himself, because this is what people have been asking for.
People, for the longest time, have wanted someone, believe him or don't believe him, agree with him or don't agree with him.
He's speaking his mind.
daniele bolelli
Right.
joe rogan
What he's saying, he's saying because he doesn't give a fuck.
daniele bolelli
There's no feel there whatsoever.
joe rogan
He's talking about Mexicans.
Well, someone's doing the raping.
unidentified
Yeah.
Like, what?
joe rogan
This guy's running for president!
And he's talking about putting a wall up, like some fucking Berlin wall up between us and Mexico.
Like, holy shit, man.
daniele bolelli
That seems reasonable, does it?
unidentified
We're gonna let over the rapists!
joe rogan
Well, there's no rapist.
Well, someone's doing the raping.
Someone's doing the raping.
Jesus Christ.
daniele bolelli
Half of the things you read, you can't even check.
It's maybe an onion site.
It's hard to keep track of which ones are the real ones and which ones are the bullshit ones because they are so similar.
That's the problem.
You can't tell the difference.
There was one where they asked him something about what does it take to make America great again?
And he ran through this whole speech where he's clearly not answering.
You know, he's running around just throwing words out that have nothing to do with the question.
And then it ends with him going like...
Look at the guy with the red hat.
Please stand up.
That's an awesome hat.
He completely distracted.
I'm going to leave this question because I don't want to deal with it.
joe rogan
Look at the guy with the red hat.
Yeah, well, he's a good media man.
He's very good at...
He's been doing interviews for years and he's also been on that reality show for a long time.
He got fired from it while running for this election because of the inflammatory stuff he said about Mexicans.
daniele bolelli
But I agree with you.
This is entertaining.
It passed the point of being said to the point that it's entertaining.
That's why I would dig a general election, Trump against Sanders, because at that point it's just so wild and weird that it's enjoyable.
If you get, you know, the professional guys where, like, they measure every single statement, you know, the Hillary Clinton, it's...
It's boring.
You can write already every single speech.
You know already what's going to happen, right?
With some of these guys, you have no idea what the hell is going to come out of their mouth.
It makes it for, hey, at least I got to watch something that doesn't put me to sleep there.
joe rogan
Well, you want to talk about putting me to sleep.
Hillary Clinton puts me to sleep.
God, there's nothing inspiring about what she's saying.
Nothing inspiring about her presence or her speeches.
But I think my daughter, my seven-year-old daughter said it best.
unidentified
She goes, I would vote for her because she's a girl.
joe rogan
A lot of people feel like that.
I know, I know, I know, I know.
You're like, fuck it, we have a black man, let's have a white girl.
daniele bolelli
Right, but it's like, maybe you can pick somebody, okay, sure, you want that, pick somebody better, Jesus.
joe rogan
Who's better, Elizabeth Warren?
daniele bolelli
No, I know.
joe rogan
She's not in anymore, right?
She dropped out, but when she was running, they found out that she wasn't really Native American, and she tried to fake that she was Native American.
Did she get a scholarship or something for that?
daniele bolelli
I think that's what it was, though.
Fuck, you dummy.
unidentified
You can't fake.
joe rogan
That's one thing you can't fake.
You can fake like you're one-eighth Swedish.
Right.
They won't give you a hard time about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you say you're one-eighth Native American, it turns out, oh no, that's fucking...
Native American is like noble and mystical and you have like magic fucking eagle power so you can hear like a wolf.
daniele bolelli
Isn't that trippy?
If you watch all the pre-1960s movies, they were all like bad Indians who come in to sculpt you and chop your head off.
Why?
Because they're Indians.
Who the fuck knows why?
It's like the dragon in the story, right?
Post-1960s is all hug the furry creatures of the forest, have visions.
joe rogan
You know what it was?
It was that guy in the commercial that cried when he saw the garbage on the ground.
That's what it was.
daniele bolelli
And incidentally, that guy too was not Indian at all.
joe rogan
It was Italian!
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
How fucked up is that?
That guy in that commercial where the Indians cryin' because white men are littering.
But we, from the 60s on, we've sort of associated Native Americans with spiritual things.
Like dream catchers.
Yeah, this guy.
That guy's a guinea.
He's from fucking the same island as me.
Look at him.
He's in his canoe.
He's seeing that.
Pick it up, you fuck.
You're driving right past it.
You don't have to just look at it, dude.
Throw it away.
Jesus Christ.
Give a hoot.
Don't pollute, but, you know, give a damn.
Pick that shit up.
Those commercials, man.
And he would pull up in his stupid fucking buffalo skin canoe and cry.
Yeah.
Look at that.
That guy's so Italian.
He could be on The Sopranos.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
They made him wear a wig and shit.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Like people throwing things out the window right at his feet.
daniele bolelli
And he cries.
joe rogan
Oh, he's trying.
daniele bolelli
Again, Krom would banish you from Valhalla.
Don't cry.
Do something about it, bitch.
joe rogan
Keep America beautiful.
Yeah, well, he definitely shouldn't be, like, hanging out by the highway either.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that doesn't help.
joe rogan
Just standing there with his moccasins on and shit.
Yeah, but Native Americans, from that point on, they're associated with sweat lodges and peyote ceremonies and spiritual things.
We have these ideas.
A lot of people, they have these ideas of Native Americans that they lived off the land and they used every last piece of the animal and they had a spiritual connection with their surroundings.
You know, a lot of it's true.
There's a lot of truth in that.
daniele bolelli
But that's the problem with all stereotypes, right?
You take something that's partially true, and then you blow it up to make it the entirety of the experience, and then you turn with the caricature that at that point is very far from the real deal.
joe rogan
Well, my friend Steven Rinella, the host of The Meat Eater, has the best stories of Native Americans.
He has a deep knowledge of the history of Native Americans, and he's got some fantastic stories about the Nez Perce.
First of all, they were fucking cannibals.
That was super common to not only attack neighboring tribes, but to eat them.
Eat their babies, eat their family.
Yeah, eat them.
daniele bolelli
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of cannibalism going on in the Old West.
Especially, apparently, amongst the Great Lakes area, in the Great Lakes area.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that for sure.
joe rogan
Why is that?
Is it just because the climate is harsh?
daniele bolelli
No, different people.
You know, it's kind of like the culture.
In fact, that's why it's hard to generalize with these things, because among native stuff, there's so much difference.
You know, the guys from the Great Lakes have nothing to do with the guys from the plains.
Of course.
So each one is...
But yeah, Great Lakes stuff is pretty intense.
The part that I dig the most about that is on...
You would go out to get captives.
You know, you go on a war raid, you get captives.
And once you get captured, you have one of two options.
If they like you, then they adopt you as a family member.
You replace one of their dead family members and you get treated that way.
You are loved, you are brought in.
They don't like you so much.
Then they torture you to death over a four-day period.
So that's, it's, yeah, it's, both things can happen.
It's kind of a flip of a coin there, which I guess if you're Hillary Clinton is a good thing, but for everybody else, not so much.
joe rogan
Yeah, he told me the story of this one guy who got captured.
There was two guys captured.
One guy.
They killed him.
Killed him in front of his friend.
And then they told him, I think they might have ate him in front of his friend too.
They killed him and then they told him, we're going to take off all your clothes and we're going to let you run.
And if you can get away, you can live.
And so this motherfucker ran like the wind.
Jumped in the freezing cold river and hid in a beaver dam.
He got smart enough to climb up into a beaver dam.
Which, by the way, is a risk and a fucking half.
Because what if you climb in there and the beaver's in there?
That beaver's going to fuck you up.
People have died from beavers before.
If a beaver bites your artery, they chew through a tree.
They'll fuck you up.
And this guy, he fucking made it.
And he walked for days, some ungodly amount of miles, naked, by the way, freezing cold, lived off of whatever he'd grab and stuff in his mouth and eat, and managed to survive in some crazy way and lived to tell the story.
daniele bolelli
No, in fact, some of the, that's what I dig, like, for History on Fire, those kind of stories that are so, like, it's like, come on, the screenwriter from Game of Thrones wrote that, right?
It can be real.
And then you dig it, and it's like, no, there's real, and there's wars, and it's more intense than anything you could imagine.
joe rogan
Isn't The Revenant, isn't that based on a real story?
daniele bolelli
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's, um...
Yeah, that dude is, that guy has a brilliant tail.
They kind of tailored it a little bit.
You know, there was no Indian song.
There was none of that part.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
It's always an Indian.
daniele bolelli
I know.
joe rogan
You want to sell it to white people?
You got to throw an Indian in there.
daniele bolelli
The damn, like they being in the Black Hills area hunting and then the Grizzly fucking him up.
There's two guys leaving him for dead and taking off even with his rifle.
That's all true.
But yeah, they tweaked it a little bit.
joe rogan
Somebody needs to write a movie about that Sue Akins lady that lives up in Alaska.
Because that lady, she's the one who's on that show Life Below Zero.
daniele bolelli
I heard about it.
joe rogan
She lives 200 miles plus above the Arctic Circle in this place called Kavik.
She was one of my guests on the podcast.
She's amazing.
Amazing.
I mean, she is as fucking gangster as a human being can get.
Just being awesome.
Just so cool.
She's a really nice, intelligent woman.
She's just so powerful.
Anyway, she was up there and she got attacked by a bear and fucked up, man.
Real bad.
Broke her hip, I think.
Broke her leg.
Fucked her head up.
I think it cracked her skull.
Serious, serious injuries.
She survived.
She crawled back to her dwelling.
She doesn't even live in a house because where she lives, you're not allowed to put permanent residences.
So they're like Tent things that are up there.
They're made out of cloth.
These weird sort of buildings with wire structures and thick canvas tops.
She was there for days before someone...
She owns a refueling station up there.
Someone flew in.
They found her.
They brought her to medical help and patched her up, fixed her up.
She heals up, goes back, shoots that bear, and eats it.
daniele bolelli
That's the way you want to do it.
joe rogan
That bitch is gangster as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You imagine eating a bear just cutting into...
Yeah, you motherfucker.
unidentified
Not so cocky now, bitch.
daniele bolelli
That's a badass revenge tale.
Fuck yeah, it is.
That's the way you want to do it.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, man.
daniele bolelli
So to her watching The Revenant, he's like, eh, that's Tuesday morning.
Whatever.
joe rogan
Come on, pussy.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's amazing.
daniele bolelli
It's an amazing story.
I mean, anybody would live in a cloth tent north of the Arctic.
I mean, that Wim Hof would be proud, right?
joe rogan
And she's a grandma.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, of course.
It's like, pinch the grandkids' kids after eating the bear's heart.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, she's crazy.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's what she enjoys.
She enjoys living out there in the wilderness with the wolves and the foxes and the bears and the caribou.
She loves it.
She loves going out and shooting her meals and bringing them home and cutting and does all the butchering, all the food she gets.
She gets from the land around her.
She just...
It's just like the life she loves.
She found it and she's smart, man.
She could do a lot of shit.
She's not an unresourceful person who's trapped up there.
She just really, truly enjoys it.
daniele bolelli
That's a choice.
joe rogan
Fascinating person.
Just absolutely fascinating person.
She's one of my favorite all-time guests.
daniele bolelli
I need to go back.
joe rogan
Next to Daniele Bolele.
daniele bolelli
Of course.
I need to go back and catch that one.
I think I saw it was there and I didn't catch it.
I need to listen again.
joe rogan
She's amazing, man.
daniele bolelli
I'll weep myself for having missed it.
joe rogan
I would like to go up there and hang out with her.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, she sounds awesome.
joe rogan
I would have to go up there in the winter, though.
Otherwise, it'd be a pussy.
You can't go up there.
unidentified
You can't.
Hey, just came up to see how hard it is in July.
joe rogan
But I bet it's cold as fucking July, too.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
But I think, what is the time of year where you go to see the Aurora Borealis?
The Northern Lights?
daniele bolelli
I haven't been, I don't know.
joe rogan
I think that is a summer thing.
Is that a summer thing or is that an all-year-round thing?
daniele bolelli
No idea.
joe rogan
I don't know either, but that would be worth traveling just to see.
That's supposed to be insane.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's beautiful.
joe rogan
Like the whole sky is filled with like green mist.
daniele bolelli
Either that or you can stay in LA and take mushrooms and you've got the same effect.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's better, right?
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's better.
unidentified
Fuck the bear and the snow and the...
joe rogan
Do you ever been to Alaska?
daniele bolelli
No, never.
joe rogan
You know what's crazy about it, man, is how big it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you fly over it, you go like, Jesus Christ.
And then you look at it on the map, you're like, what the fuck?
That place is...
I think it's the biggest state.
Is it the biggest state?
daniele bolelli
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
By far, Jamie says.
Yeah, I think it's like almost two Texases.
daniele bolelli
Seriously?
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
They do some really shitty job with maps.
joe rogan
Yeah, find out how many Texases fit in Alaska.
Oh, they do a shitty job with maps.
daniele bolelli
Does not look like two times Texas.
joe rogan
Well, have you ever seen how big Africa really is?
Like, when people talk about Africa...
I think people get this idea that Africa, the continent of Africa, is similar to the continent of North America, but it's not even close.
Look at this.
Whoa, Jesus Christ.
Twice the size of Texas.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that is huge.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
Alaska is larger than all but 18 sovereign countries.
Holy shit.
Look how big it is when you put it in the middle of America.
daniele bolelli
Freaky.
joe rogan
Fucking A, man.
God, it's huge.
And it's so lightly populated.
It's amazing.
I fucking love it up there.
I gotta get back.
daniele bolelli
When was the last time?
joe rogan
Two years ago, Ari Shafir and I did Anchorage.
We did a comedy show up there and went salmon fishing.
Saw my first moose ever.
Saw some eagles for the first time.
That was awesome.
Eagles are awesome.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, you told me that they were pretty intense kind of birds.
joe rogan
It's so strange when you look at a wild eagle in the eye, you know, even though it's kind of far away.
They don't let you get that close to them.
But when you're passing by, we were on a boat, and we're passing by these trees, and there's an eagle up in the tree, and you're like, whoa, what the fuck?
daniele bolelli
They're big fucking animals, that's for sure.
joe rogan
They don't get hunted by people either, so they're not afraid of people.
But, you know, they're not stupid either.
But...
That place is a legitimately wild place in that when you get out of your car, you have to run to where you're going or you're going to get swarmed by mosquitoes.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's what I heard about.
That's the part that I didn't like about Alaska.
When I heard them, I'm like, oh, it sounds awesome.
And then I heard about the level of, like, how intense it is mosquito-wise.
I was like, shit, okay.
joe rogan
Ari and I were laughing.
We couldn't even believe it.
Like, this is ridiculous.
Like, I'm not kidding.
Like, open up the car door, put your boots on, and just the time it takes to open the door and get your boots on, the car is filled with mosquitoes.
Like hundreds of mosquitoes.
Like a swarm.
They find you instantly.
daniele bolelli
What's about the climate there that attracts mosquitoes so much?
joe rogan
I think they're just fucking desperado, because they know they're only going to be alive for a month.
You know, that's what I think.
daniele bolelli
And there's like three humans to bite.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
joe rogan
I think, I mean, they bite other animals, right?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
So I just don't think that they have much time.
I think they only stay alive for a short period of time.
So while they're at it, they're at it.
daniele bolelli
So they are berserker mosquitoes just going for it.
Yeah, that's a scary fucking complex.
joe rogan
Yeah, more so than Florida.
You would think Florida mosquitoes would be the most rabid.
daniele bolelli
That's how you figure.
Tropical place, lots of humidity, all of that.
joe rogan
They're like Florida people, though.
They're fat and lazy.
daniele bolelli
Just taking it easy.
It's like, ah, there'll be another tourist.
I can get that one.
I don't have to chase this one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Florida has its own problems though, man.
Florida, it's so funny they're doing a big python hunt now.
daniele bolelli
Are they?
joe rogan
Because so many people have released pythons in Florida that they've bred and overbred.
They have like a gigantic python invasion problem to the point where they're offering rewards for people to kill pythons.
daniele bolelli
The headlines that come out of Florida are one of the things that are a constant source of entertainment.
You get things that are like, again, this must be the onion, right?
It's too fucking crazy.
Then you check it and it's like, no, that was real.
That really happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a great Twitter page called Florida Man.
It's just filled.
Every day there's some new crazy shit some guy tried to do while huffing paint and fucking his dog.
unidentified
It just...
joe rogan
It's not a real state.
daniele bolelli
What did I read?
unidentified
What was the last thing?
joe rogan
Prison colony.
daniele bolelli
This guy was robbing a house and I think the owners came back so the guy took off and they were looking for him with flashlights so he dove in this pond right outside.
joe rogan
Alligator.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
They promptly ate him.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard that before.
There was another one recently, real similar, where they were chasing this guy in a stolen car.
The guy gets to a bridge, jumps off the bridge, and immediately gets jacked by an alligator.
Like, literally jumped on an alligator.
daniele bolelli
It's like, good timing.
Good job, man.
joe rogan
But you got to be fucking crazy to jump in the water with those things, man.
If you've seen an alligator, they are big ass fucking dinosaurs.
They're not as dangerous as Nile crocodiles, which coincidentally have also been released in the Everglades.
They have a shoot on sight, kill on sight order.
If anybody sees a Nile crocodile, you're supposed to kill them on sight because they've started to breed in the Everglades.
So you're talking about those 18, 20 foot long, gigantic African crocodiles that take out wildebeests.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
They live in Florida, too.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's a rough state.
joe rogan
It's funny, man, because all the tree huggers are like, don't kill the pythons, it's not their fault.
Like, okay.
You know how big pythons get, you crazy bitch?
They're gonna eat your family.
They'll eat babies.
They eat people.
Fuck, man.
It's Florida.
daniele bolelli
The joys of nature.
joe rogan
I've been watching Narcos on Netflix.
daniele bolelli
How is it?
I heard Dawson Sinks about it.
joe rogan
It's so good.
I'm sad because there's only two episodes left, and I don't know if they're doing a second season.
I don't know if they can.
I mean, I think Pablo Escobar gets caught.
I think that's the end of that.
Unless it goes on further.
I don't know, though.
I wasn't totally aware of the entire story of Escobar.
I just knew that he was a drug dealer, and I knew...
Fuck, man.
daniele bolelli
No, those guys don't mess around.
joe rogan
It's so well done, too.
This show's so well done.
daniele bolelli
No, that's on my watch list, because I heard that every single person I talked with told me it's awesome.
joe rogan
It's insane.
He went to war.
I mean, I don't want to tell anybody anything about it, but it's fucking shocking.
And it builds up really well.
Like, it really builds up well from the early days of his drug dealer just finding out about drugs to the end.
daniele bolelli
Well, that's what's funny about it, that people get all like, oh, the criminal, the mafia.
When you look at, like, mafia stories, they are identical to the history of any state, of any nation.
You know, it's just the dynamics are, you know, one is suit and tie, the other one is with a K-47.
But other than that, the basic things are, it's a struggle for power.
It's a game of fuck over your enemies, cheat the other one who can get you.
Do what you can to expand your...
It's the same story over and over, whether you talk about Alexander the Great or Pablo Escobar.
It's not that different, really.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
daniele bolelli
The specifics are slightly different, but the big picture is not.
It's a struggle for power.
End of story.
joe rogan
And it seems like when you get to the really high levels of finance and of volume and of the amount of troops and the amount of people that you're controlling, the area you control, that's when the real atrocities kick in.
It's almost universal that horrific acts get done to intimidate your enemy and to make sure that you retain control over certain areas.
unidentified
Yeah, it's one of the things where it's like...
daniele bolelli
In that sense, human history is really kind of fucked up and weird if you approach it through a moral lens because you see so many nasty things take place.
And the weird ones are the ones where there really is no good solution, where you don't know what the healthy thing would be.
There's one that I was researching for a history on fire maybe a year from now or something.
I'm researching this story from the 1980s in El Salvador.
At that time, there was a right-wing government in El Salvador that the U.S. government was supporting, and there was a leftist guerrilla.
In the logic of the Cold War, there are only two options.
You either are pro-communist or you are pro-U.S. There's nothing in between.
So in the process of fighting this leftist guerrilla, the government of El Salvador is doing nasty things, right?
Anybody who criticizes them, doesn't matter whether they're a communist or not, get tortured to death, chop off their bodies, leave them in the middle of the street.
American Congress at that point goes like, oh shit, you know, we can't really keep sending millions of dollars to these guys.
We're doing horrible human rights violations.
So they passed this law that in order for any more aid to be sent to the governor of El Salvador, the president of the United States had to sign off on a document stating that these guys have made huge improvements in their human rights record, that they are on the right path, you know, it's getting better.
Problem is, the deadline is coming up.
Reagan is itching to be able to send out all these millions of dollars to the government of El Salvador.
And in that moment, the Salvadorian army goes on this offensive against the guerrilla.
They find some villages that just wanted to be left the fuck alone.
They were not pro-communist, but they were not anti-communist either.
They were like...
Bunch of evangelical Christians, peasants, who just wanted to farm their fields and be left alone.
So they would let the communists go through, they would let the army go through.
They figure if we stay neutral, everything works out, right?
Well, not in the Cold War.
In the Cold War, there is no neutrality either on one side or the other.
So Salvadorian army come in, grab every single villagers, separate the men from the women, kill all the men, rape all the women, then kill them all, kill everybody in that village.
And the New York Times did an article on it, and Reagan was like, oh shit, what do I do now?
So he said, the guy who wrote this article is some crazy communist.
None of this is true.
It's a smear campaign against our allies.
The government of El Salvador has made huge improvements on sending them millions of dollars.
Of course, years down the road turns out that the original story was true, that this stuff did happen, and they...
But other than bitching about Reagan, this is not even an anti-Reagan thing.
It's a messy situation because you do support the government of El Salvador.
You're literally supporting death squads, child rapists.
I mean, it doesn't really get any worse than that.
You don't support them, there's a chance that El Salvador could turn into a communist state, in which case he's not exactly like communism around the world as a high reputation for human rights.
It's fucking awful, right?
So he's like, what do you choose?
Do you choose to support them or do you choose not?
It's like, how do you...
You see where I'm going?
It's a situation where no matter what you choose, you're fucked.
You're doing bad things.
But clearly...
The moment you are supporting that squad, that cannot be the right solution.
But at the same time, what is the right solution?
What is the good thing you should do?
You know, Carter had the same exact problem.
You know, right before Reagan, Carter, some guy, the Archbishop of El Salvador, this guy Oscar Romero, sent him a letter saying, stop fucking sending money to my government because they are doing horrible things with it.
Carter was like, eh, I don't want to look at this because this is politically troubling for me.
So two weeks later, death squads walked into the main church in El Salvador.
This guy was celebrating mass.
They gunned him down, killed him.
So it's not a Republican or Democratic thing.
You know, it's like both sides of the game there did not know how to handle this in a situation where it's like, which mass murders do we support and which ones do we oppose?
Because that's the reality of it.
It was like...
Those are the stories that are like, what the fuck do you do?
What is the right thing to do in those cases?
joe rogan
There almost is no right thing.
daniele bolelli
Right.
Exactly.
joe rogan
When you're dealing with certain parts of the world that have been embattled, they've been just entangled in these horrible, Bitter feuds and rivalries, horrible things get done in war.
And when you're dealing with two horrible groups, and you can't really differentiate substantially one being more moral or ethical over the other one.
And oftentimes, if you were more moral or more ethical, you wouldn't survive in those terrible environments.
You have to do horrible things just in order to stay above water.
daniele bolelli
And in fact, that's what keeps it, these stories, keep you on your toes.
Because if you condemn one and not the other, you're an hypocrite.
If you condemn the other and not the first, you're an hypocrite.
If we get even to what we are saying, which is the right thing, right?
It's like, well, it's a fucked up situation and you have to do terrible things.
If you say it too easily, it's like, oh yeah, well, so go chop the kids' head off, no big deal.
So you have to, you say it, but you also have to say the opposite.
It's like, it's a weird dynamic there where there's no real...
A place where you feel comfortable, like, ah, that was the right thing to do.
I'm glad we made the right call.
Now I can go to sleep, sleeping easy and stuff.
joe rogan
Well, let me ask you this, because you're a legit historian.
Was there ever a time in human history where there was like a noble, ethical government of any sort of an empire or country that didn't engage in any human rights and did the right thing?
Like, was there a utopian government at any time in history?
daniele bolelli
No, I think you get these different degrees of fucked up.
unidentified
Right.
daniele bolelli
Some degrees, you're like, ah, that's not that bad.
Come on.
We can live with that.
But we can live with that does not mean it's good.
It's still kind of shitty.
It's just a lot less shitty than the alternatives.
Outside of modern times, what's the most utopian version of a government that ever I think what you get is in, you do run into societies where maybe, like, for example, if you have low population density, hunters and gather, but the key word being low population density, because once you have too many people, they compete for hunting grounds and they do horrible things to each other.
But if you have a relatively low population density, there's really no reason to go to war with another tribe over wealth because you are nomadic.
You have to fucking carry it on your back.
I don't want your shit.
I have to carry it then.
That's hard work.
You don't fight over wealth.
You don't fight over religion because most of these guys have an inclusive approach where whatever you do that works, good for you.
There's no competition there.
So you have removed two huge things that people do nasty things to each other over.
They're still fighting over hunting grounds.
They're still fighting over women.
So that will still happen.
So it's not an idea like utopia.
Oh, those noble hunters and gatherers who could do no wrong.
No, they did horrible things to each other.
They just had less reasons to do so than later societies.
Right.
joe rogan
So agriculture and cities and civilizations, that's when things started getting really rough.
daniele bolelli
Well, I mean, again, it's the plus and the minus, right?
The plus is because you stay in one place and you can accumulate wealth.
Now, I don't have to carry everything I own on my back every few days.
I can sit in one place and accumulate wealth.
You do start seeing the growth of social classes.
You do start seeing...
I mean, among hunters and gatherers, you don't have a rich hunter and gatherer and a poor one.
Everybody's kind of on the same game.
unidentified
Right.
daniele bolelli
When you become sedentary, you can accumulate wealth.
And so you do start seeing this game played out in a good way.
You know, people who have the resources to dedicate themselves to stuff other than working for a living and so on.
And in a horrible way with all the nastiness that takes place over the fighting over, I want your shit, I'm gonna slaughter your family in order to get what I want, you know?
So it's...
That's why, to me, when you read those...
And as usual with human beings, there's always a good and bad kind of logic.
You have the guys who are like, man, pre-agriculture sucked!
It was a horrible, harsh life where it was terrible, and agriculture freed everybody, and states are wonderful and all that.
There's an element of truth to that, and there's also an element that's not, and vice versa.
The guy who idealized hunters and gatherers has the best humans ever, and they could do no wrong.
It's like...
Up to a point, in both scenarios, there are some huge advantages and some huge disadvantages.
It's just that they change which ones they are.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you get so much wealth and so much prosperity that you start getting royalty and you start getting people that accumulate massive amounts of wealth and then they have this incredible ability to control all the people around them and everyone's fearful of them because they have ultimate power.
They can have you killed instantly and face new repercussions.
I was reading this article about this guy.
Who was some Middle Eastern prince and he was living in Beverly Hills.
Did you hear about this guy?
unidentified
No, which one?
What did he do?
joe rogan
He was sexually assaulting people that worked for him.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And they arrested him and then he fleed the country.
daniele bolelli
Got away with it.
joe rogan
But he was saying like, you know, you can't do shit to me.
I'm a prince.
You know, he was like saying that to them like, it's 2016 and he's still like, I'm a prince.
daniele bolelli
There wasn't even one like that.
Fuck, I wish I remember the details.
I kind of lost them.
I think I don't want to say it.
joe rogan
Well, there was two of them real recently.
daniele bolelli
There was one, maybe you remember it, but there was one where the justification was, I didn't rape her, I fell on her, and I just happened to be aroused, and I accidentally penetrated.
Yeah, exactly, and that's the best part.
He was fucking acquitted over that defense.
joe rogan
That was in the UK, though.
daniele bolelli
That was in the UK. The worst defense in the history.
Like, if you can come up...
How are we going to defend this guy?
Let's figure it out.
joe rogan
She was underage.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, you get laughed out of the room.
It's like the worst defense ever.
And he got acquitted.
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
He fell on her.
But how did they acquit him?
Whoever was on that jury, I guess it was a jury or whatever, judges, follow that guy forever.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I would check their bank account.
It counts for a long time.
joe rogan
Somewhere you're going to find a hole in the ground with a bag of gold.
Here it is.
British man who told police he may have penetrated a teenager after falling on top of her, cleared of rape.
Whoa.
British millionaire who told the police he may have penetrated a teenager after falling on top of her, has been cleared of rape.
Try saying that name.
Eshan Abdulaziz was accused of forcing himself...
Oh, she was 18. 18 as she slept on the sofa in his Lincoln apartment after a night of drinking at an exclusive nightclub.
When he was questioned, the 46-year-old businessman said he had slipped and fallen on top of the girl, which may have caused his penis to penetrate her.
I'm fragile.
I fell down, but nothing ever happened to me and this girl.
I'm fragile.
daniele bolelli
So I can keep my balance, you know, but apparently I have great aim because somehow I managed to find their vagina.
joe rogan
The jury acquitted him of one count of rape after just 30 minutes of deliberations.
Wow.
That jury.
daniele bolelli
Somebody got paid.
joe rogan
They're going to be in Cancun.
daniele bolelli
Big time.
joe rogan
They're going to be on a fucking yacht balling.
Like a Jay-Z video.
Well, there's also fear, too.
When someone has that kind of money, you gotta wonder.
Is he a billionaire to say B.I. or M.I.? Well, pussy.
Doesn't even have a billion.
Come on, son.
I wonder how he got away with that.
That doesn't even make any sense.
Unless they just picked a super sympathetic pro-Muslim, I'm assuming he's Muslim with that name, pro-Muslim jury.
daniele bolelli
But even then, I mean, it's like, come on.
joe rogan
How did they do it?
daniele bolelli
Well, I really think what you laid out is the I'll buy you option or I'll have you killed option are really the only two logical explanations.
Because other than that, this is not a defense.
This is a late night joke.
joe rogan
First of all, look at that guy's fat face and tell me that guy keeps a raging erection.
Like all the time while he's walking around.
That guy's not healthy at all.
You're not 15. You're not like some young boy with a throbbing heart on that he just like literally runs his life.
That guy's probably lucky.
Unless he's on Viagra, he's lucky if he can get it up.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at him.
It's all fat and swollen.
That guy's not healthy enough to have a rod just all the time.
Fucking raging boner.
Oh, it slipped.
Oh, it just got in there.
His dick is like a heat-seeking missile.
It just finds its way into vaginas.
All he has to do is fall near the girl.
He just slips in there.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, it's not that easy.
You remember when you were 16, you have to work at it.
joe rogan
Yes, you have to work at it.
Jury acquitted him.
Yeah, there's no justice in the world.
If I was that girl's dad, or if I was that girl, or her mom, or anybody, just the girl herself.
Yeah.
Find that guy.
daniele bolelli
Yep.
joe rogan
Well, what is she saying?
That she was asleep and he just stuck his dick in her while she was out cold?
daniele bolelli
Basically.
joe rogan
And she woke up.
Hey, fucker.
unidentified
He's like, I trip!
I trip!
I trip!
I fall inside you!
joe rogan
No big deal!
Can you imagine the odds?
But imagine if that's really what happened.
Like what if he's like walking on hardwood floors and he's wearing socks and he steps on a piece of paper and just whoops!
daniele bolelli
And she's not wearing anything.
joe rogan
He goes flying through the air.
He claimed he had gone to see if the young woman wanted a t-shirt to sleep in or a taxi home.
But he said she pulled him on top of her and placed his hand between her legs.
Oh!
His semen and DNA were found inside the young woman, but he said it was possible that he had semen on his hands from having sex with a 24-year-old earlier.
unidentified
Um...
daniele bolelli
It's got the more complicated.
joe rogan
Well, if he got semen on his hands, how did he get it inside of her?
I slipped and my penis and my hands went inside of her.
Her vagina is huge!
unidentified
It's cavernous!
joe rogan
He's...
daniele bolelli
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Like, that didn't even make any sense.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
She pulled him on top of her and placed his hand between her legs.
Boy, that's a squirrely fucking story.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Early hour, the young woman said she had woken up in the early hours of the morning with Mr. Abdullah Aziz on top of her, forcing himself inside of her.
He claimed he'd gone to see if the young woman wanted a t-shirt to sleep in or a taxi home.
Okay, I believe her.
How about that?
I think his story sucks.
Well, his story definitely sucks about slipping and falling in her.
That sucks.
But it sucks even more.
I had gone to see if she wanted a t-shirt to sleep in or a taxi home.
What a wonderful person you are.
You are amazing.
Did you also donate some money to a charity of her choice?
I was up all night trying to help orphans.
daniele bolelli
But also you think, how stupid do you have to be to make up this story?
Because you can turn it into a he said, he said kind of thing.
No, it was consensual.
No, it wasn't.
Then it's harder to prove, right?
There's an argument there.
This is like...
The most fucking ridiculous story ever.
How do you even sit down and say, no, no, I'm not going to go for the consensual thing.
I'm going to make up this crazy weird ass tale.
It's like, it makes no sense.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, he's free right now with his feet up on the coffee table, smoking a fat Cuban cigar, laughing.
Probably getting his dick sucked by some Russian hooker.
daniele bolelli
That's probably why the first few seasons of Dexter were so popular, right?
Before they fucked it up and it was still a good show.
joe rogan
First season was awesome.
daniele bolelli
Because everybody's got that thing, right?
There's so much nasty shit that happened in the world with no repercussions that everybody's got the fantasy of, fuck you, I'm gonna get you.
joe rogan
Boy, did they fuck that show up.
That show was like a work of art that the writers from Murder, She Wrote got a hold of.
And they just started shitting in the mouth of every character.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
It became really bad.
joe rogan
God, it was awful.
It was so bad.
People kept telling me, no, no, you've got to give it a chance.
It gets better.
Fuck you.
I don't have that kind of time in my life.
daniele bolelli
I, in a masochistic effort, I stuck through it all.
I've seen every single episode, every single season.
I did not get any better by the end.
I think, you know, you get sucked in because you get the first three, four, five, whatever many seasons.
The first few are good, right?
And then you get like three, four more that are really not.
But you're like, No, but maybe they'll get the next one right.
You know, it's like, yeah, that did not happen.
joe rogan
You know what I watched that I really didn't realize what it was when it first came out, but how it really changed, was the first episode of The Sopranos.
It was a comedy.
daniele bolelli
Yep.
Well, I mean, yeah, in a weird way, but yeah, there was a lot of comedic element, for sure.
joe rogan
When the woman had the machine gun and she ran outside with the AK-47, the wife, that was so out of character.
Who she became later in the show, that episode was this preposterous gang family, mob family.
It was weird.
daniele bolelli
But they have some moments in there.
I remember even the end of season one where they were chasing this dude through the woods to shoot him and the dude is screaming all of a sudden.
You got shot and he's like, no, fuck, Poison Ivy!
And he's all pissed off about that.
And it's like, they throw in these weird elements to make it...
It was really well written.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was definitely really well written.
And it got better.
As it got darker and weirder, it got better.
That was like one of the few shows ever where they figured out a way for you to feel sympathetic about a murderer.
daniele bolelli
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because Tony Soprano wasn't a murderer.
daniele bolelli
Absolutely.
But you liked him.
joe rogan
You liked him, yeah.
daniele bolelli
I even had...
I remember having...
Nightmares of, shit, the FBI is trying to get me.
I have to hide this stuff.
unidentified
I was all like...
Really?
daniele bolelli
Because you relate to the guy after a while.
Or at least I did.
unidentified
I don't know if I like...
joe rogan
It's that fucking accent of yours.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's probably what it was.
joe rogan
Italian heritage, your last name as well.
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
joe rogan
It was a dark time for Italian-Americans, though, because everybody wanted to be, like, connected to the mob back then.
All those really...
Dumb East Coast guineas were like so celebratory and they were upping all their guineaness.
daniele bolelli
That's painful.
joe rogan
They would crank it up to a 10. Hey, this fucking guy with the thing in the goes.
daniele bolelli
I blame the Sopranos for Jersey Shore.
I think that was a direct connection there.
joe rogan
I think you have a point.
Yeah, and the Real Housewives of Jersey, which is the most disgusting version of Real Housewives.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that was pretty bad.
joe rogan
Real Housewives of Miami, they should just give them knives.
They should just give those bitches knives and let them cut each other.
Those are fucking savages.
But Jersey's the grossest.
And then, now that one family, the woman's in jail, and...
She's doing time, and then she gets out, the husband's got to go in, because only one can stay out and watch the kids, so they...
daniele bolelli
Take turns.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're taking turns.
I think it's like a tax evasion thing, right?
daniele bolelli
They high-five each other on the way in and out.
It's like, okay, your turn now.
Go!
joe rogan
I'm in favor of people going to jail for stealing things, but man, that tax evasion thing is a tricky one.
How about you just fucking pay what you owe?
How come that's the only time when you owe something you go to jail?
If you owe credit card money, you have to pay it.
You owe student loan money, you have to pay it.
You owe taxes, go to jail, bitch.
Block you in a cage.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's nuts.
joe rogan
It's gangster.
They're the big gangsters.
daniele bolelli
That's what I mean.
That's exactly what I was saying about sort of mafia and government being identical.
It's the same shit.
I mean, even like the mafia is funny because a lot of the early mafia stuff came up as a form of government, you know, when like in Southern Italy when they were invaded by the Spaniards, by the French.
So the government was not on the people side.
They were an occupying force trying to squeeze as much wealth out of the country as possible.
Because they couldn't turn to the government, a lot of the people started turning to this made-up local organization, which eventually...
Because they provide all these services, but they are also the mafia.
And so the original stuff, you can see the logic why beside the criminal element, and then it evolves completely into just criminal element and nothing else.
But it's like, there's a reason why.
There's a logic to it, and it mirrors a state in every level.
The hierarchy of it all.
The way they handle business, you know, the whole thing is mirrored on the state.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you look at the amount of atrocities committed per capita, I mean, it's probably pretty similar.
I mean, the mafia does some awful shit, but so does the government.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
So does the military.
I mean, think about the amount of innocent people that are accidentally killed.
Every day, just during military actions.
daniele bolelli
That's right, to me, the big war conquerors or the mafia bosses.
That's why, to me, those stories are the same thing.
It's about the guys struggling for power against these enemies.
It's the same thing over and over, you know.
It's...
joe rogan
Yeah, the mafia has its ancient system of government and laws and rules.
And, you know, so do the Sandinistas.
So do the Contras.
You can go down the line.
So did Genghis Khan.
So did Alexander the Great.
They all had their own sort of systems of government and rules that you had to live by.
daniele bolelli
Speaking of Genghis Khan, did you check out the show Marco Polo?
joe rogan
Yes, it's good.
daniele bolelli
I liked it.
joe rogan
It's a good show.
I didn't finish it.
daniele bolelli
They did a prequel right now.
They did like a half hour on the badass Taoist monk.
It's pretty cool.
I dug it.
It's well written.
It's good stuff.
joe rogan
It's a very expensive show apparently.
daniele bolelli
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, because the sets are massive.
They make it look like the Mongol era.
It's a 1200s.
daniele bolelli
I hope they don't cancel it for money, because you know which one they cancel for money that killed me?
Probably my favorite show of all times.
You ever seen Rome?
joe rogan
No.
HBO1? No.
daniele bolelli
That was so good.
joe rogan
Was it really?
daniele bolelli
Amazing.
Really?
The reconstruction, it's a trip.
joe rogan
It's so good.
How come I didn't hear about it?
daniele bolelli
I don't know.
It was back, where was it?
2004, 2005, something like that?
joe rogan
Was it that long ago?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, it was a while back, but they only did two seasons, but they are five.
Fucking awesome.
No shit.
I watched every season twice, maybe even more.
It was that good.
The main character is pretty much a variation on Conan.
It's so cool.
And oddly enough, the guy who created the show was John Milius, who was the guy who directed the first Conan, was the guy who was behind part of the creative directing of the early UFC. He's the guy who wrote Apocalypse Now.
Oh, wow.
He's ending so many of the things I dig.
But yeah, that show, man, if you have never seen it, check it out.
I mean, today it looks tame by comparison because so much stuff has been done afterwards that just takes it ten notches.
But for the time, it was also pretty intense with nudity and violence and the grittiness of it all.
It's an awesome show, man.
joe rogan
So it sort of opened the door maybe for things like Game of Thrones?
daniele bolelli
Big time.
Big, big time.
joe rogan
It's funny how a show like that didn't catch on, but a show like Game of Thrones does, you know, or Sopranos does.
daniele bolelli
I think what it was is Rome was actually doing fairly well, but not well enough for the budget.
I think the budget was too inflated compared to the results.
The results were good, you know, people liked it.
The critical reviews were great.
It had an audience, you know, was good.
You know, the Sopranos, you shoot it in somebody's house, the budget is not going to be what you have to recreate Ancient Rome on a grand scale.
It's a different kind of game right there.
So HBO, I think it wasn't that, oh, this show is tanking.
This show is doing well, but it costs too much fucking money.
joe rogan
Those shows, they didn't have the option of selling them on iTunes back then, did they?
daniele bolelli
No, exactly.
joe rogan
What, in 2004?
Did they have iTunes back then?
They kind of did, right, I want to say?
daniele bolelli
If they even did, it would have been set much in the early stages.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
It's fucking ten years ago.
daniele bolelli
I know, but it's another universe completely.
joe rogan
It might as well be.
With everything.
With social media, with everything.
It's a whole other universe.
daniele bolelli
How many podcasts were around back then?
Was there like a few people started fucking with it, but nothing on a big scale yet?
joe rogan
It's probably something.
There's probably something.
This podcast has been around for six years, so since 2009, 9, 10, somewhere around then.
I think we were doing it in December of 2009, so right before 2010. Well, I'm sure when you started podcasting Ward was a fraction of what it is today.
Yeah, it was real small.
Adam Carolla had one, and there was a few other ones.
You know, Adam Curry had one of the first ones and John Dvorak.
But I didn't know about them.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I didn't download them back then.
I got the inspiration to do mine from Anthony Cumia.
Because Anthony Cumia from Opie& Anthony had this set up in his basement where, you know, he had a lot of money and he had a cool house.
He lived by himself.
So he put up a green screen.
And set up a stage where he had a nice desk and some real professional cameras and started doing this thing called Live from the Compound.
And Live from the Compound was like his own little fuck around, have some fun at home show.
He had like Guinness on tap and he would just drink and talk shit and it was really fun to watch.
And I realized, I was like, wow, here's a guy...
That's on Sirius.
You know, he's on the Opie and Anthony show.
It's a very popular show on Sirius.
And he's decided just for fun to do this thing in his basement.
He's not making any money from it.
It's just for fun.
And I thought about it and I said, you know what?
I could probably do something like that.
and so we started doing it off of just Ustream.
Just sitting there with a laptop, talking shit.
So my podcast didn't become like an iTunes podcast for like a few months after the first one.
We realized, once we started collecting, we then took the audio and started putting it up on iTunes.
But there wasn't that much going on back then.
And then we got in right at the right time.
And then in the next few years, other comics started starting their own podcasts.
And then everybody, all these different people, Bill Burr, and Diaz, and Duncan, and everybody else started doing podcasts as well, and they all took off.
daniele bolelli
Well, you are single-handedly responsible for the growth of podcasts.
There are so many podcasts that are people who came through your show and then went, huh, I should do one.
There's a long list of people.
joe rogan
There's a few, yeah.
I try to help them, too.
I want them to do podcasts.
I just think it's the best form of...
If you're a comic, it's the best form of expression where you can...
People get to know the actual you.
Like, 100% you.
For three hours...
Or whatever it is, you do yours, over the course of 700, and now we're like 750-something, 755?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's a lot of hours.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
755 podcasts, most of them intoxicated.
A good percentage of them.
daniele bolelli
I know, I've seen that lately, though.
It hasn't happened as much.
joe rogan
The intoxication?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, in three...
joe rogan
There's some conversations you can't have intoxicated.
daniele bolelli
I see, I see, I see.
joe rogan
You'll just get too scatterbrained.
You want to talk about Smurfs or fucking Yetis or something.
In the middle of someone talking about the economy or Bitcoin.
daniele bolelli
I feel it.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some that lend itself to it and some that don't.
It's really completely dependent upon the guest and what the subject is.
I like to mix it up, too.
You know, that's the thing about being a marijuana enthusiast.
Unless you're like a Doug Benson kind of guy who everybody just assumes is high 24-7.
Because that's kind of his shtick.
Even the name of his podcast, Getting Doug with High.
I get it.
You can't speak.
You know what I mean?
Right.
You know, I don't think...
Pot, I think, is like everything else.
It shouldn't be all the time.
For everything.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
Everything, yeah.
It could be a crutch.
And it's not a crutch you want.
daniele bolelli
No.
joe rogan
It's a fun, beautiful aspect of nature and a great way to perturb your normal states of consciousness.
And give you some unique insight.
And yeah, it's a lot of benefits.
Makes you feel good.
Makes you enjoy wine.
It makes me, like, very friendly.
Pot makes me want to hug people.
Totally.
But I just think you should be cool with just life.
daniele bolelli
I'm a big fan, though, I have to say.
I'm a huge fan of the effect that we does on female sexuality.
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
The way...
At least in my experience, women respond to weed.
Oh, good God.
joe rogan
The good ones do.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, my best ally ever.
It's like suddenly you feel like a god.
You touch them and they have multiple orgasms and you're like, that was easy.
That didn't take much.
joe rogan
Well, it makes hugs feel good.
Just hugs.
Forget about sex.
Just smoke weed and hug.
It feels amazing, you know?
You ever done ecstasy?
daniele bolelli
No.
No.
It's been on my to-do list, but I've had...
joe rogan
You could hold hands with a dude when you're on ecstasy, and you wouldn't feel bad at all.
You and a dude could be rubbing each other's hands.
daniele bolelli
It doesn't feel bad at all.
joe rogan
They're like, yes, that's the best thing ever.
I'm telling you, it's...
Fuck.
One thing that it does, it's fucking terrible for your brain.
At least I used to qualify that, that when I did it, I probably did a little too much.
And the next day I just was so fucking stupid.
My brain didn't work good.
I've talked to many people who don't have that problem, but they don't have to do the same sort of things with their brain that I have to do.
So it depends on what you do.
Like if you go to work and you have a normal job and you don't have to do anything important and maybe, you know, maybe it's fine.
But if you're a person who has to think for a living and you have to do, like, stand-up comedy on stage or you have to write or you have to podcast or something like that, I couldn't imagine doing ecstasy and then doing a UFC the next day.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that would be rough.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be able to do it.
daniele bolelli
That kind of the whole theory that there are all these, I don't know what, 5-HTP. Is that what it is that allow you not to have the downer afterwards?
joe rogan
I've never done it, but I would imagine, like I said, I only did XCT once.
And the one I did, I just totally did it naturally.
But I do take 5-HTP. I take New Mood, which is 5-HTP and L-Tryptophan.
That stuff definitely works.
But I've never done it in conjunction with Acid or with Mali or Ecstasy.
But actually, that's how it got invented.
That's how New Mood got invented.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Aubrey was trying to figure out a way to mitigate partying.
daniele bolelli
I love Aubrey.
unidentified
He has the best ideas.
joe rogan
I mean, this is his period.
unidentified
It was called Roll Off.
daniele bolelli
We were chatting the other day and he had this old perfect scheme for basically having legal prostitution by using like a porn loophole that, you know, if there's a camera rolling that it's porn, it's not prostitution.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
It's true.
It's true.
You can even sign a contract.
You could hire someone, sign a contract to have a porn film, and even just for your own benefit, you could have it for yourself, as long as you're filming.
daniele bolelli
Right.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
daniele bolelli
I love the way Obre's brain works.
It's brilliant.
joe rogan
He's not the only one that's taught that, I'm sure.
daniele bolelli
No, I'm sure, but still.
joe rogan
The porn loophole is how porn stars get away with doing quote-unquote prostitution.
There was a girl that was at the comedy store, and she was telling guys that you could fuck her, but you have to pay her her rate, and you have to turn a camera on.
And she's like, I'm not a hooker.
I'm like, okay.
I don't even know what to say.
unidentified
I gotta go.
No, I would have entertained that conversation for a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was getting ugly.
I think she had this dude with her.
I'm like, how does he fit in?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that complicates things a little bit.
joe rogan
Well, he was like, I didn't know if he was the boyfriend or if he's the pimp, but he didn't, I mean, unless he had a gun, I don't know how he's going to protect her.
The whole thing was very strange.
But that's the Comedy Store.
The Comedy Store is a vortex of strange things.
Somehow or another, it just drags those people to that one place on sunset.
That and the Rainbow.
You ever go to the Rainbow Bar and Grill?
That's the place where they, when Lemmy died from Motorhead, they saved a seat for him.
unidentified
That's awesome.
joe rogan
They have a seat that's permanently reserved.
daniele bolelli
Permanently?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's permanently reserved.
daniele bolelli
I like that place already.
joe rogan
Lemmy's seat.
Yeah, they have candles there and shit.
Like maybe if one of his band members comes there and they're all sold out, they'll let him sit there.
daniele bolelli
Maybe they let him slide.
Maybe not.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
daniele bolelli
Maybe you have to be a...
joe rogan
If it's like Lenny's friends.
If it's Lemmy's friends and they want to sit at Lemmy's table, I think that should fly.
That's okay, you know?
daniele bolelli
I think I can see different factions going to war over it.
It's like, no, this is for Lemmy, motherfucker!
We cannot do that!
And the other guys be like, this is France, come on, you can do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
That's how religious warfare begins.
joe rogan
That is how...
Yeah, right?
Like sacred.
Anything sacred.
Sacred ground.
Sacred places.
Sacred things.
There's good and bad in them.
There's definitely merit in sacred things.
But, you know...
There's an area in Hawaii where the Keck Observatory is.
And they wanted to construct a larger, bigger telescope.
And apparently they have problems because the Native American, I guess Native American, Hawaiian, they're sort of Native American, they're Hawaiians.
The people that live there have some sacred ground up there that they don't think that you're supposed to build on.
Which, you know, I get it.
It's their spot, you know?
If all of a sudden some assholes come up there with a telescope.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
I got that.
joe rogan
Have you ever been up there to the Keck Observatory?
daniele bolelli
Not to that one.
joe rogan
You ever been to the Big Island?
daniele bolelli
No, been only to Maui.
joe rogan
Big Island is awesome.
It's so strange because it's the biggest of the islands, but it's the least populated of the Hawaiian islands.
daniele bolelli
I heard that it's...
joe rogan
And it's also one where it has all these different ecosystems all on one island.
Like if you go like near the Hilo side where BJ Penn's from, it's all like tropical.
It's beautiful.
God, it rains all the time and it's lush and green and it's magical.
But then you go to like the other side, like the Kona side, and it's like...
It's totally different.
It's drier, and then there's areas that have these giant lava beds.
daniele bolelli
That's a trip.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
I mean, the whole place is amazing.
joe rogan
Have you seen the lava beds?
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
I've seen some pretty crazy shit.
I don't know.
Hawaii is one of those places.
It's kind of a mystery that it's even part of the U.S., because it's in the middle of the fucking Pacific Ocean.
unidentified
Five hours away, but I'm planning.
daniele bolelli
It has nothing to do with anything.
But it's a beautiful place.
I can see how you want to...
joe rogan
Well, how about Alaska?
You have to fly through Canada to get to it.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
It's not even connected.
daniele bolelli
Those are bizarre.
joe rogan
It's a frozen Puerto Rico.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, it's a frozen Puerto Rico.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, no, that's drapey right there.
Yeah.
No, but the thing you're saying about the sacred, and to me it's interesting because...
Precisely because you hold something sacred, to me, you need to be able to have humor, to laugh about it.
Not because you diminish its importance, it's in order to avoid fucking up and turn it into a dogma.
You know, the one thing that keeps things loose.
Speaking of American Indian stuff and spirituality, I remember being at some Lakota ceremonies where it was hilarious to see people who have grown up with it, so for them it's the real thing, versus some white guys who are coming up and they have their Hollywood fantasy about what it's supposed to be, right?
That's hilarious.
During the break of this ceremony, some of the Sundancers were giving the pipes to some of the people who were supporting there, right?
And these guys will take the pipe, they will smoke it, they will pass it to other people.
And I gave it to this white lady who was clearly taking herself real seriously, right?
So she's trying to light the pipe as she can, and she fails, and she fails, and she tries.
And then taking herself super serious, she takes a deep breath, and she goes, oh...
The spirits don't want me to light this pipe today.
And there was an old Lakota lady next to her who was trying to not die laughing, but she was trying to be polite, right?
But she was like, look, it's a windy day.
Just put the hand in front of the lighter when you light it and you're going to be okay.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Windy day.
daniele bolelli
And the thing is, for the whole Lakota lady, the spirits and all of that, it's real, right?
But precisely because it's real, you can call when...
Sometimes the spirits are trying to tell you something.
Sometimes it's just a windy day.
Relax a little bit.
Lighten up.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like someone saying to you, Namaste.
Most people who say Namaste are assholes.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
I don't mean that they're mean people.
I don't mean they're assholes like they're mean, but just shut the fuck up, bitch.
Come on, man.
You don't really mean that.
You're just trying to be super spiritual.
daniele bolelli
Of course.
joe rogan
But I swear to God, there's yoga teachers that can say it after a yoga class, and you'll say it back.
And you mean it.
You mean it.
You mean it, because you just did 90 minutes of hell together.
And you'll say it, and you'll mean it.
daniele bolelli
But that's a tricky thing that sometimes the guy was the real deal and the guy was the total phony can sound exactly the same, except that one is real and one is not.
To me, a lot of these things about spirituality, they...
They make me throw up because they are so cheesy, so made up, so fake.
But then there are the moments where you go, oh shit, that was it.
Like the other day, man, this was trippy.
This guy from Canada emailed me and he's like, oh, we had this ceremony.
It was another Lakota thing, right?
American Indian stuff.
And he's like, we had a ceremony and we prayed also for your daughter and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, okay, thanks.
That's sweet.
And the guy goes, oh, by the way, I kind of have the feeling that she may be sensitive to things like that.
Ask her if by any chance she had a dream having to do with American Indians.
And I'm like, that's fucking weird because she doesn't remember her dreams nine nights out of ten.
And, you know, Indians, she never mentioned that once.
So there's no, right.
But I figure it doesn't hurt to ask.
So I try not to ask a leading question.
So I just ask her, hey, did you have any dream last night?
And she goes, no.
And I was like, you see, bullshit, whatever.
And then she goes, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
I had a dream.
Like, my grandpa was taking me to this place where there were Indians, and they taught me to speak Lakota, and yeah, we had a good time.
unidentified
And I went like, holy fucking shit.
daniele bolelli
And I don't run with it.
You know, I don't say, oh, it's because of the spirits.
I have no fucking idea, right?
I'm just reporting what happens.
But when you look at it, you go like...
Oh shit.
Maybe the universe is a lot weirder than we assume sometimes.
joe rogan
The problem with something like that is you can't measure it.
daniele bolelli
Of course you can't.
There's no way.
joe rogan
Yeah, whenever like anybody has a clairvoyant moment or a moment where they kind of have an instinct that Doesn't seem to make any sense but turns out to be true and they go.
Well, what was that?
Was it coincidental?
Like what was that and you know, there's like some Sam Harris type people that are like very straightforward rational thinking They'll they'll they'll sort of boil it down to coincidence and I'm not entirely convinced that I like Sam, and I don't mean to talk shit about him, because I like him, and I dig his stuff.
daniele bolelli
But I think that's complete bullshit.
Like, to me, you're a fundamentalist as much as a religious fundamentalist.
Like, when you're trying so badly to explain everything, whether you're explaining it as in, it's because God did this, or because...
No, it's because it must be a coincidence, because the probability of this, that...
It's like...
Can you just admit that life is weird and we don't have all the explanations and leave it at that?
joe rogan
Well, I think he's right most of the time, though.
See, I think there's a lot of people that try to make things sound spiritual and connect circumstances and say, you know, it's fate and it's, you know, it's a psychic moment when really it's just total coincidence.
There is a lot of that.
daniele bolelli
A lot, though, is not everything.
joe rogan
It's not everything.
But it's hard to differentiate.
When you talk to a guy and he says that your daughter had some sort of a dream about Native Americans, find out if she's sensitive, and then you ask her, and she said, oh yeah, I had a dream about Native Americans.
Like, whoa, what the fuck?
What are the odds?
Most kids, yeah, I had a dream.
I was on the My Little Pony store.
I had all the money in the world.
daniele bolelli
And you had that.
It's like, literally, what the fuck are the odds, right?
It's like, what are the odds that she'll remember anything?
And what are the odds that it has anything to do with a topic that she never mentioned once in her life?
joe rogan
You ever have a dream about someone and you get an email from them the next day and you haven't talked to them in years?
daniele bolelli
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I don't necessarily believe that the only connections that people have to each other are physical.
You have to be there and see each other.
There very well might be some sort of a dream state connection or a thought connection that we just can't put on a scale.
We can't take a ruler and go, oh, this is seven inches long.
We can't measure it.
daniele bolelli
I've had enough of those experiences.
And again, not to believe, because I don't know what I believe, right?
I have no fucking idea.
I don't know how the universe works.
But I do have enough experiences that let me think, there's no way that this is a coincidence, this is a coincidence, this is a coincidence every single time.
That it just leaves me with kind of my mind is open to possibilities.
I don't know what's out there.
There's stuff that I experience.
There's stuff that I don't experience.
I have zero beliefs about the nature of reality because my tools are very limited about what I understand.
But there have been enough of those cases where you go, oh shit, that was like once when I was, I don't know, maybe 18 or something.
I went hiking with my friends, go up the mountain.
And we go back, which was great because I was alone with these two hot women.
The other guy was with us and gone off.
I'm like, fuck you.
Hopefully you'll disappear somewhere and I get to enjoy the attention of these two hot women for the rest of the day.
This is as good as it gets.
And like at one point, I literally, it's like somebody, like a phone rang where I got up and I'm like, fuck, there's a problem.
This dude is having a problem right now.
And there's really no reason to think it.
He said he'll be back four hours later, an hour had gone by.
There's no reason whatsoever to feel that way.
And that's what I tell myself.
He's like, that's bullshit.
Why are you making, what kind of a bullshit excuse not to deal with the women?
That's beautiful.
You know, stay here.
What are you saying?
I try, I try, keep getting in my head, right?
She's like, no, there's a fucking big problem and it may not be a bad idea to pay attention to it.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, you ruined my day even when I are not here.
Fuck you, I don't like you already.
But I'm like, okay, this is bugging me.
Fine, I'll walk up, I'll start going up the mountain and see what the hell, like, none of this makes sense.
Going up the mountain, there's 15 different paths that you can take to go up the mountain.
I don't know which one it took.
Take a stab and just pick one because I don't know what else to do.
I keep going and I hear this voice calling me.
So I call back and eventually I hear my friend's voice calling again.
I find if the dude got dehydrated, had gone up too fast and he was done, right?
He had no energy left.
He was on the floor, just collapsed.
joe rogan
What kind of pussies are you hanging around with?
daniele bolelli
What a wimp.
And peek the guy up.
joe rogan
Dehydrated after an hour.
daniele bolelli
No, no.
He said he was going to be back at a time, but he had been there longer.
joe rogan
How long have you been there?
daniele bolelli
I don't know.
In any case, I don't like him anymore, so I'm all good with that.
I like your tea, and he's like, fuck him, he's a pussy.
I have no problem with that.
joe rogan
That's the universe.
The universe wanted him to die up there.
You should have left him alone.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Bang those chicks.
unidentified
I don't, man.
joe rogan
Had a party.
daniele bolelli
That's like one of my deepest regrets.
joe rogan
Brought a skull home.
Use it as a candle holder.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
It's like, hey, look at that.
unidentified
But, you know, it's those moments you're like, why did I have that thought?
joe rogan
Why did I pick this one?
unidentified
So did you have to carry him down?
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
You carried him down?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, it was a pain in the...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
daniele bolelli
Now I... Just bring it up, this story.
Now I'm pissed off.
No women.
Save this asshole.
joe rogan
What did the girls do?
daniele bolelli
They go back.
joe rogan
They're eating each other out.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, they were...
joe rogan
They go back right when they're done coming.
daniele bolelli
They had this attitude, which was like, really?
You want to go?
Okay, you're lost.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
daniele bolelli
By doing this.
joe rogan
Were you at least a hero when they found out that the guy was dying?
daniele bolelli
Sure.
Great.
I was a hero.
Who cares?
joe rogan
For the people listening, he's making the handjob gesture.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
That's just the not at all.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder what that is.
Maybe you just didn't have any faith in your friend.
You knew he was kind of an idiot.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I don't know, man.
In fact, I don't know.
It could be, right?
I'm not saying that.
Like, the dream thing from last night, that was even weirder.
This one, I can see how it could be something else, right?
joe rogan
Well, if I was Sam Harris, I'd say, well, let's just examine.
Think for a moment about the possibilities.
daniele bolelli
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't think that he's necessarily completely averse to the idea of there being some sort of connection.
I think he, and like you and I agree, most of that stuff is like the lady that says, the spirits don't want me to light the pipe.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Most of it's bullshit.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I agree completely.
joe rogan
Man, I'll tell you one thing that changed my perception on just the supernatural and the spiritual is looking into it.
When I did that sci-fi show and when I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions, not Joe Rogan Questions Everything, a game show in my head.
And the game show in my head show was a hidden camera show where the people had like an earpiece in and we would tell them to go do things.
And we set this one up in Hollywood, and, you know, it was a game show, like, here's your task, this is what you have to do.
And one of the things they had to do was, we told them that you're a reporter for a local television station.
You're doing the news, and you're reporting on a UFO sighting.
You have to find someone and tell them, listen, I had a witness, they were here for this UFO story, we have the cameras here, but they took off.
Are you willing to say that you saw the UFO too?
Wow.
Fucking everyone said yes.
Really?
Not only did they say yes, they went right into these elaborate, fake stories on camera, and I went, wow.
It just was such an eye-opener for me.
I was like, how many of those people that you see in those UFO documentaries?
The famous one was the Phoenix Lights.
Did you ever see the Phoenix Lights?
The Phoenix Lights was a series of sightings that happened in Phoenix, I want to say in the early 90s maybe.
And it was very controversial because the governor...
Was saying he was going to get to the bottom of this.
This is all very controversial.
And then he held a press conference and made a mockery out of it by having someone dress up like an alien and say, we found the culprit and here he is.
The guy comes out and he's got an alien costume on.
And the UFO believers were really pissed off because they were like, fuck you, I saw something.
There was a triangle-shaped object the size of a football field.
It was flying overhead.
It wasn't making any noise.
Like, all these people had all these things that they said that they saw, but there's almost no evidence.
There's only evidence of these lights that are floating in the sky that they think were...
Yeah, there's the governor.
Arizona governor and the fucking alien.
It's hilarious.
But...
What people were saying that they saw, there was one explanation that made sense, and that was there were flares that the government had let loose with parachutes, and they were drifting down from the sky slowly, and they fell behind the mountain ranges, and that's why they disappeared.
If you look at the actual video that the people did get, they're just lights that are hovering in the sky.
There's no triangle-shaped black objects that are flying around, but everybody had all these...
And so as soon as you start saying, hey, there's a Phoenix lights and people saw a UFO. Me too!
Man, I saw it!
I was on my porch.
It was strange.
The night was electric.
I felt it in the air or something.
daniele bolelli
No, and I agree with you.
In fact, to me, 99% of these stories are such bullshit.
But to me, it's like sometimes there are some that you can't explain, which doesn't mean it's real.
It doesn't mean we know why or, yes, it was a UFO or it was anything else or it was that, yeah, there was something that came into somebody's dream.
Who knows, right?
I have no idea.
But why the hell are we trying to explain it away every single time?
Sometimes just say, there is no explanation.
Who knows why?
Hey, that's weird.
Leave it at that.
You don't have to run with it, but you don't have to deny it either.
joe rogan
You know what's amazing, man?
Ghost shows.
daniele bolelli
What's that?
joe rogan
Those ghost shows?
Ghost Hunter shows?
All those fucking years and all those episodes.
And those motherfuckers got nothing.
daniele bolelli
It's faithful.
It's like, let's see what comes after the commercial break.
Oh, that was nothing.
joe rogan
Play a tape recorder.
Listen, listen to it very clearly.
Did you hear that?
It was clearly.
Clearly what he was saying.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, those are the best.
joe rogan
Yeah, who knows what the fuck that is?
There's like so much shenanigans and fuckery going on on those shows.
Wasn't there like a fucking murder recently?
Like a ghost hunter killed his wife and killed himself?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, I heard something like that.
joe rogan
Something like that?
Like a famous one on television or something like that.
Yeah, what the hell?
Jamie will find it.
But yeah, that and those mediums, like the Long Island psychic, get the fuck out of here.
daniele bolelli
And that's in fact the problem, that that war is filled with so many charlatans that it's not even funny.
joe rogan
Couple featured on Ghost Adventures, dead and apparent murder-suicide.
Damn.
Whoo!
Self-styled paranormal investigators.
Yeah, they don't give a fucking degree for that.
Not exactly.
Paranormal investigation.
Mark and Debbie Constantino, is that what it says?
And a third still unidentified man were killed yesterday in Sparks, Nevada.
That's where it goes down.
When a domestic violence incident turned deadly, the Constantinos killed themselves.
What?
Billed themselves as electronic...
make that larger, as electronic voice phenomenon experts and made frequent appearances on reality shows about the supernatural, notably occurring on travel channels, ghost adventures.
Oh, the couple were estranged.
Oh, okay.
He found her with a new dude.
He killed them both and killed himself.
Debbie Constantino had been living with two roommates.
Approximately 8 a.m.
Tuesday, the police were called to her apartment after one of her roommates found their male roommate dead and Debbie missing.
Yep, that's it.
Police eventually discovered that she was being held hostage by Mark Constantino in an apartment belonging to one of the couple's adult children.
Attempts to negotiate failed.
Around 1.30 p.m., a SWAT team breached the apartment door and found both people dead.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Heavy.
joe rogan
Ooh, can't people just break up?
unidentified
Yeah, seriously.
joe rogan
Like, what the fuck?
Like, murder-suicide, when people break up, like, goddamn, you pussy.
You fucking pussy.
You can't handle her finding a new person?
daniele bolelli
Yep.
joe rogan
God, people are so weak in that regard.
That is one of the weaker aspects of humanity, is the inability to accept that someone doesn't want to fuck you anymore.
She wants some new dick.
Let her go.
She's still got some life left in her.
daniele bolelli
By the time you're 17, you should be over that.
It's like you deal with it the first time that you learn.
joe rogan
So brutal.
daniele bolelli
I don't even dig, like, when people flip out about exes.
You know, it's almost a stereotype how everybody talks shit about their ex.
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
I'm like, why, motherfucker?
You brought them into your life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
You are the one who, like, if you didn't see it, worry about what's going on with you if they were really that bad.
If they were such horrible human beings and you are the one who brought them in.
Or maybe they are not fucking bad and you're just blowing it out of proportion because you're a drama queen and you can't deal with the fact that they are with somebody else.
joe rogan
There's definitely that.
Well, there's definitely some people that got fucked over, like divorces where dudes have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the rest of their life.
daniele bolelli
But even that, to me, is interesting because it's like...
joe rogan
No, it's not.
unidentified
It's horrific.
daniele bolelli
It is, but it's the same woman that you brought in your life and you didn't fucking see that she was capable of all of that.
You know what I mean?
So yes, while she's the scum of the earth and you can and should be pissed with her, I would also reserve a little bit for your own judgment of how you opened the door to this lady.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is that there's a legal option.
It's not that she's the scum of the earth.
The problem is you are breaking up.
She does feel pain.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel pain when someone wants to fuck someone else, because you're going to.
It's going to happen.
You're going to feel terrible.
You're going to feel jealousy.
You're going to feel sadness.
You're going to feel loss.
It's going to happen.
But what I'm saying is, you have to have some fucking perspective, all right?
You are a human being, and if you're here in America, you lived in the best place on the planet in 2016, which is the best time ever to be alive.
And you fucking pussy.
You got Match.com.
You got Tinder.
Get to cracking, baby.
Right.
Start slinging dick.
You could sling dick today.
You could sling vagina.
You can do whatever you want to do today.
This is a different world.
Move on.
You'll find someone that you don't want to not be with, or that you do want to be with, that you can get along with.
Work on yourself.
Figure it out, man.
Don't go on a murder-suicide rampage.
daniele bolelli
I know.
joe rogan
But...
This woman, like, I have a friend who I've talked about him before.
He was divorced, and the divorce is brutal.
It took forever.
She went to all the other lawyers in town so that he couldn't go to them because she had contacted them first.
It's just brutal, brutal shit.
And she tortured him for, like...
For two years, like changing the terms of the divorce, all the while he's paying for her lawyer, he's paying for his lawyer, he's paying for everything.
She was trying to bleed him out.
Then she got this ridiculous settlement.
She got his house, massive, beautiful fucking house overlooking the ocean, like the whole deal.
And on top of that, because they were married for 12 years, he has to pay her for the rest of her life.
So he's paying her hundreds of thousands of dollars every year for the rest of her life.
And that's not, it's, I mean, you could say, well, hey, he should have known he let that person do his life, but he used to love her.
But she, in that time of loss and pain and suffering, she had a legal option.
And the lawyer came to her and said, listen, you helped him.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You helped him.
Meanwhile, she didn't do shit.
She walked around the fucking Beverly Hills with a little tiny dog and got her nails done and got her fucking pedicure done and talked a lot of shit about him while he was at work.
And that guy just busted his ass all day long, but because that was his quote-unquote wife, because they scribbled their name on some paper and said, I do.
That guy's fucked for the rest of his life.
daniele bolelli
I mean, I see the point.
Don't get me wrong.
There are the cases where the X is the evil demon from hell.
I get that.
But A, still, while it's their fault and it's not yours, still you are the one who didn't see that they were a demon from hell and brought them in.
And two, also is...
Yeah, they suck.
Now what?
I don't even think they suck.
joe rogan
I think she's got nothing going on, and this is there to her.
It's like, what is she going to do?
Is she going to work all day and take some job that sucks?
She's in her late 40s, early 50s now.
She's an older lady.
She doesn't have the best health.
Like, what is she going to do?
Or is she just going to keep taking hundreds of thousands of dollars every year because the law says it's okay?
daniele bolelli
Well, I think there's a lot of...
Like, those are two pretty dramatic extremes.
They're like, I'm never going to take a penny and I'm going to go back to work 10 hours a day to make it.
joe rogan
Who the fuck says that?
Nobody says that.
They never pass on the money.
daniele bolelli
That's my point, right?
But the other one is also you're an asshole.
It's not just it's there as an option.
It's you choose an option that's designed to bleed the other person dry when you know it's not right.
joe rogan
Well, he makes good money, so it's not like he's getting bled dry, but he has to pay an exorbitant amount of money every year to a person that he doesn't fuck anymore.
And now he has a wife and he has children, he has a whole new family, and still a giant chunk of his income goes to this lady that he doesn't have anything to do with anymore, and it will to the day she dies.
So she lives to be 500 years old because of modern science.
This fucking dude is paying her for the next 400 years.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, but it's...
Yeah, that makes you think twice about marriage, doesn't it?
joe rogan
It's incredible.
It's stupid.
And I'm married.
And I'm happy.
I'll tell you right now.
I'm a happily married person.
I love my wife.
I love having a family.
It's nice for me.
It works.
But it's stupid.
Like, the contract is dumb.
It's a dumb legal contract.
And it's an archaic one.
And I can understand child support.
I can understand all that stuff.
I understand all that.
But what drives me crazy is this idea that, in my friend's case, somehow or another, because he lived with her for 12 years...
By the way, it was more than 12 years ago that they separated.
So let's think of that.
But because he lived with her for 12 years, he has somehow or another fucked her to the point where she can't work anymore.
Like, he gave her so much dick during the time we were together.
She's just discombobulated.
She can't fill out a form.
If you have a child, okay?
When the child turns 18, you're no longer legally responsible.
That's an adult.
They're gone.
If you have child support, you don't have to pay it after 18. When they become 18, you have to get a job, kid.
You have to figure out a way to feed yourself.
It's part of the growth of life.
Not when you're a grown woman.
And when you're a grown woman, and she was in her 40s when they broke up.
And for whatever fucking reason, we have these wacky laws that state that this person doesn't have to work again forever.
No children, by the way.
No children.
They never had kids together.
daniele bolelli
What is it?
Is 12 the magic number?
Like, if it was 11, then no, fuck it, you don't have to?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think it varies, but I think in California, for whatever reason, it was 12. Hmm.
I think 10 is the big one.
Like, 10 years is the big one.
So it might have been that it was 10, because Ralphie May just got jacked, apparently.
His woman just divorced him after 10. And that's the number.
They wait until 10. And at 10, the party begins.
daniele bolelli
So if you are thinking about it, 9 and a half is the time to call it.
joe rogan
It's hard to imagine someone not being in your life, but yet you have to pay the money.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's fucking up.
There's just no way around it.
joe rogan
But in his case, his wife has children, or his ex-wife now has children from him.
And so he is definitely financially responsible for her children, his children, their children.
And I think he should pay alimony because she has to take care of those kids, and she can't really work Like, you know, she's not like a free person who's single.
But if you're a free person that's single...
I can understand you needing a couple years to get on your feet.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's fair.
That's what I mean about the grace.
It's like one is one extreme.
One is you get nothing.
Couple of years, fair enough.
joe rogan
You shouldn't.
I mean, say if you live with a woman and for 10 years you're married and for 10 years she doesn't have to work because you're some fucking diamond merchant in downtown LA or something like that.
And you break up with her and then you're like, get out of the house, bitch!
You're on your own.
She doesn't have any skills.
daniele bolelli
No, that's fucked up.
joe rogan
I got that.
That's fucked up.
daniele bolelli
Couple of years is fair.
Something like that is a reasonable compromise.
Yes.
joe rogan
But there's this weird thing that they do where it's called the quality of life.
You're supposed to maintain the same quality of life.
Like what?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's bullshit.
joe rogan
So if you're living with like Kobe Bryant, like Kobe Bryant's wife, like she's responsible for his children, so she should certainly get money.
But how much money, man?
How does she get hundreds of millions of dollars?
How does that work?
You know?
daniele bolelli
Forever.
joe rogan
Forever?
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that's nuts.
joe rogan
To the end of time, till the day they die.
And if you don't have a prenup, it could get ugly, son.
unidentified
Yep.
daniele bolelli
And he's like, no, a prenup is not romance.
Like, fuck you, this is a contract anyway.
The whole thing is a contract that involves the state.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And if you don't have a prenup, believe me, those conversations get way more intense when things get ugly.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When a woman knows there's no prenup involved.
unidentified
You're fucked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, I have a buddy who doesn't have a prenup, and him and his wife are fighting, and I go, do you have a prenup?
He goes, no.
Oh, no!
How dare you?
daniele bolelli
You are screwed.
joe rogan
And we were having a conversation about it.
He's like, I couldn't figure out a way to justify having a prenup.
I go, here's a way.
If you're in love and you're married together and you're going to be together forever, the prenup doesn't mean shit.
It doesn't mean anything.
If you really plan on being together forever.
But...
If that person wants a fucking abandoned ship and then drain you like a fucking plug at the bottom of a bathtub, that's when you need a prenup.
Because if you're gonna break up, that's when a prenup comes into play.
And then you need it.
And you should have it, right?
But if you're gonna be together forever, the prenup doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
Because you're gonna be together forever.
So don't worry about it.
Get a fucking prenup.
Silly bitch.
It only becomes a factor if you get divorced.
That's why any woman that says, you want to have a prenup?
You don't think it's going to last?
No, I think it is going to last!
But if it doesn't, the logic of not having a prenup is insane.
If we break up, I want to get financially fucked.
That's how much I love you, baby.
That's how much I want to stay together with you under the threat of being financially ruined.
daniele bolelli
Because otherwise it's not through love.
joe rogan
This fucking chick said to me the other day, it was hilarious.
She goes, well, I'll tell you what, more and more women today are paying alimony.
I go, name one.
daniele bolelli
I know.
joe rogan
Silence.
Roseanne Barr!
That's all they say.
Roseanne Barr!
Tom Arnold!
She beat Tom Arnold!
Okay, we got one under our belt.
So it's one victory as opposed to a what?
What?
Hundreds of millions of guys that have been fucked over by the system?
daniele bolelli
I don't get...
I actually don't even get the whole idea of marriage.
And I don't mean like committed relationship.
I get that.
I got all that.
But why the fuck do you need to bring in the state and lawyers and...
joe rogan
Because it's a business.
daniele bolelli
That's what I mean.
If it's a relationship, why do you need to bring all this shit in?
joe rogan
Well, it's a business in terms of, like, there's a business of the diamonds, you know?
Is three months too much to ask?
Like, those fucking diamond merchants.
unidentified
Fuck that.
joe rogan
I'm bringing them up again.
I don't know why.
But diamonds, the idea that three months' salary...
Three months?
That is fucking crazy.
If a guy has to work three months out of a whole year for a little rock that goes around your finger just to show you he loves you.
daniele bolelli
No, fuck that.
joe rogan
Three months too much to ask.
daniele bolelli
That would be a deal breaker right off the bat.
He's like, what?
You fucking want what?
You want a giant rock that costs thousands of dollars?
Fuck off.
I have nothing in common with you.
I'm done.
joe rogan
Most people don't have enough money to get by, period.
Most people are going pretty much check to check.
They have a little bit of money in the bank in case fucking shit goes terribly wrong.
But they don't have three months worth of money in the bank!
So what are you going to do?
For three months, I'm going to suffer?
So that you can have a rock on your finger?
What am I going to do?
I'm going to eat potato chips for lunch and fucking starve to death?
Ramen noodles at dinner every night?
Oh, I saved 20 bucks today.
Throw that in the jar.
Right.
That goes into the diamond jar.
daniele bolelli
No, but that to me is the ultimate bullshit.
It's like...
Do people actually fucking like diamonds?
It's not.
It's a status symbol.
Come on.
Chicks do.
You can get a fucking fake thing that looks exactly the same unless you are a jeweler with a fucking...
joe rogan
But it's not the same!
daniele bolelli
But that's what I mean.
It's about it costs a shitload of money.
It's a symbol.
It's not the real thing.
It's like, what can you do with three months' salary?
You can do so much fucking good stuff.
How about we do that to celebrate the wedding or whatever the hell?
joe rogan
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Give me the rock, bitch!
unidentified
My aunt got fucked over.
joe rogan
She married this guy who was real shady.
He was always shady, like from the beginning.
And she had a nice wedding ring, a nice fat rock.
When they got divorced, she went and got it checked out.
Cubic zirconia!
daniele bolelli
Ah, that's the way you do it.
joe rogan
Yep, she fucked him over.
He got her a fake rock.
daniele bolelli
That's the way to do it.
joe rogan
They look so real, man.
It's hard to tell.
I mean, I guess a diamond merchant can tell like that.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, of course.
But you're not a fucking diamond merchant, so how about we don't deal with that?
joe rogan
You know, it's not like having a fake Ferrari.
You know, like a fake Ferrari will drive like shit.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's real.
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
There's something real there.
The diamond thing, there's nothing real.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
I know a lady who's a billionaire.
Her and her husband.
Her husband's this very, very wealthy tycoon type character.
He's kind of hilarious.
He dresses like Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band.
He has like those little outfits on.
Throws these magical parties in Malibu where it's just fucking, just huge, huge, crazy parties.
It probably costs like a million bucks.
The guy's an animal.
But he got her this rock that I don't know enough about diamonds to say how much it costs, but it's well over a million dollars.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Well over.
It's huge.
I mean, it's like a watch.
It's a Flava Flav watch hanging.
It's like a clock on her finger.
It's so big.
What is this?
Is this a new guy she's with?
jamie vernon
Yes, this just came out this weekend.
35 carat diamond ring.
unidentified
What?!
joe rogan
Who is this dude she's with?
jamie vernon
Some billionaire from Australia.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Let me see what he looks like.
unidentified
Yeah, that looks like you need a 35 carat to get laid ever.
joe rogan
Isn't she like 50?
45?
jamie vernon
45 it says, yeah.
joe rogan
She's still hot?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
How's that ass look?
Big, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Big and juicy.
unidentified
Pow pow!
joe rogan
Look at that ring.
She was like much smaller and thinner when she was younger, huh?
Not that I like that.
That's 35 carats?
That's what that is?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I was expecting bigger.
I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was too.
I'm telling you, the lady that I know, her ring is bigger than that.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, that shit makes me...
joe rogan
But how much does that cost?
daniele bolelli
Projectile vomiting just looking at this.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's probably...
unidentified
That's probably a million bucks.
joe rogan
This is a lot, like...
You remember when J.Lo and Ben Affleck were a character?
They were one.
Yeah.
unidentified
We are diving deeper and deeper.
joe rogan
Are you hearing like a great story?
A great story.
daniele bolelli
Do tell.
joe rogan
I know a dude who's a construction guy.
And he was dealing with them at the time.
And allegedly, the story is, that J-Lo, Ben Affleck had like a full basketball court that he had at his place.
She wanted to take the basketball court apart and put it in her house.
Like, as a surprise.
Like, to surprise him.
And the guy's like, what?
Um, no.
I'm not doing that.
Folks, you imagine what kind of fucking craziness that bitch has in her head?
Like, she's like, I'm just gonna move his favorite place to my place.
That way, when he has his basketball games, he'll have to have it at my house.
Like, what?
Like, she wanted to move it.
Like, take it.
Put it mine.
unidentified
I want it!
daniele bolelli
Mine.
joe rogan
It's mine.
He's mine!
Put his basketball court in my house!
daniele bolelli
I like the impersonation.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
daniele bolelli
People do some crazy shit to get into relationships.
I mean, it's like putting up with people.
The weirdest requests.
The weirdest that you're seeing.
Because it's like, fuck that.
I don't need it that bad.
I don't know, man.
I don't get it.
joe rogan
Do you ever call a friend and his wife answers his cell phone?
daniele bolelli
No, I'm missing out on that experience.
You get that a lot?
joe rogan
I've had that happen more than once and I'd lose all respect for that guy unless he's in the middle of fucking holding up a pan of hot oil that he's carrying to the stove or something and it's an emergency phone call or something.
I mean, why the fuck would your wife answer your cell phone?
daniele bolelli
I think that's...
joe rogan
In an accusatory way.
Hello?
daniele bolelli
Right.
Who is it?
joe rogan
This is Joe.
Is Dave there?
Joe who?
Joe Rogan?
Hold on.
Hey, Dave, why is your fucking wife answering your phone like I'm some chick who's calling or a gay lover, you fucking weirdo?
Keep your phone in your pocket, bitch!
Don't let her have it!
daniele bolelli
That, I think, that's like ultimate insecurity right there.
It's like, I can't score a hot woman, so if I can't score one, I'm just gonna hold on to her.
No matter how batshit crazy she gets, I'm gonna put up with anything because I'm afraid to be alone.
That, I think, speaking of the book stuff, that's another thing that...
I noticed changing in me.
For the longest time, I had these exact dynamics that I'm criticizing.
I had them in me, right?
I was like, I don't want to be alone.
If I'm with a hot woman, I want to stick to her and she does some crazy shit.
That's totally fine.
That's fear.
That's insecurity.
That's if I let her go, I'll never get laid with a hot woman again kind of thing.
And at one point, I think it's like I had dealt with enough shit that something snapped in me where I was just like, you know what?
From now on, and I don't even mean it in a bad way, I don't fucking want to make one compromise in my life.
If I have to be anything other than who I am 24-7, I don't want to be with you.
You may be a nice person.
I'm not criticizing you.
But I don't want you in my life.
joe rogan
Right, but what if you smoke a joint with her and she throws that pussy around like fucking John Elway.
Just with the long yards.
Woo!
Goddamn!
Whack!
Like when Elway whacks that ball.
daniele bolelli
That helps for those two hours.
But then there's the rest of your life.
So those two hours were great.
Now let's move on to something else.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then when you're at work, you're thinking about those two hours.
You're going to loosen up the tie.
Woo!
Goddamn it!
You know?
You know what I'm saying?
Like Jordan going for a layup.
Woo!
Like, flying from the three-point line right through the net.
This bitch is hot!
daniele bolelli
Yep.
Yep.
joe rogan
And then you know if you break up with her, that phone is just ringing off the hook from dudes trying to get a hold of that voodoo pussy.
Right?
What are you going to do?
You're just going to be cool and calm and collected?
daniele bolelli
You got to.
joe rogan
You're going to try.
daniele bolelli
Because otherwise it fucks up the rest of your life.
Even if it was every single day that is the most magical sex in the world for those two hours that you spend, there are 22 more hours.
joe rogan
Just sleep a lot.
unidentified
Exactly.
daniele bolelli
Then it's all okay, right?
Then you can put up with it and it's all worth it.
joe rogan
I know this dude who's a mobster.
He talked about going to jail.
Going to jail was no big deal.
The key was you got to sleep your time away.
You'd sleep like 18 hours a day.
daniele bolelli
Hey, that works.
joe rogan
And I was like, really?
Yeah, that's what you got to do.
Just sleep your time away.
A lot of people are up.
They're doing push-ups.
unidentified
Not me.
joe rogan
I sleep my time away.
My time, you know, two years is gone.
It's nothing.
I slept.
I got rest.
Okay.
daniele bolelli
18 hours a day.
Jesus.
joe rogan
He's an asshole.
What are you going to do?
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
But yeah, there's some girls are just so hot.
Sure.
It's also like there's something else that's going on.
Love is real and emotions are real and appreciating someone is real and there's definitely that.
that.
But there's also some biological tricks that go on when you connect with someone and you have sex with them.
There's like some weird sort of possessive tricks where your DNA doesn't want them to be with anyone else.
Mm-hmm.
Where you going?
What are you talking to that guy?
I saw the way that guy hugged you.
All this craziness that comes about, that person becomes you.
They become your property, but you can't control them.
And then if they're freaky, if they're crazy, freaky bitches, you got to go, this crazy, freaky bitch is probably crazy with other dudes too.
And then she's probably been crazy, freaky bitch with other dudes before me.
So now I have to think that those dudes know that she's slinging that fucking superstitious pussy out there.
daniele bolelli
Superstitious.
I think anybody ever in the history of mankind used those two words together.
That's a first.
joe rogan
She's got some fucking voodoo pussy.
She's got some supernatural pussy.
It's people that can do things better and includes fucking.
Have you dated a girl who was really hot but she's terrible in bed?
daniele bolelli
No, I miss out on that experience.
joe rogan
I only had a couple of them, but I had one of them.
I was like, I gotta stop.
We just gotta stop doing this.
unidentified
Really?
daniele bolelli
Was that bad?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's just...
For all sorts of reasons, I guess.
Like, maybe it wasn't her fault.
Maybe she was just, like, insecure or uncomfortable or unaware.
It turned out later on that I found she had, like, a coke problem that I wasn't aware of.
I've never done it, but apparently that just blocks you off from, like, emotional connections with people.
daniele bolelli
Is that what made bad sex for her?
joe rogan
Maybe it was okay.
It wasn't good.
It's like the girl that I dated before her was a freak.
So I was like, oh, man.
By comparison, you're like, it sucks.
It's not fun.
It's like when someone's just, when they're all in, and the next girl's not all in, you're like, gotta find someone who's all in.
I'm here to gamble.
daniele bolelli
Time for the next one.
joe rogan
I'm not here to play penny slots.
I'm here to push a fucking mortgage into the center of the table and go, come on!
What are we doing here?
That's where the excitement is, right?
daniele bolelli
What do you make of the Chris Ryan ability to instead turn off the exact thing you were talking about, sort of the DNA, like you're mine, you know, the possessiveness, the jealousy, all of that, the whole...
joe rogan
Chris Ryan ability?
What do you mean?
daniele bolelli
Well, you know, his whole theory about just fuck monogamy.
It's all about happy monkeys having sex with each other and just let it be.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's something that you can learn.
I think it's really when you boil down to...
What it really is, when you boil it down to if you can be objective about it, if it's at all possible, it's pleasure.
Why should you be the only person that can give that person pleasure?
Why should that person be the only place where you get pleasure?
Are we slaves to these ancient emotions and ancient connections that we have?
To other human beings that were really based on scarcity.
I think whenever things are based on scarcity, you know, the idea that you'll be alone.
If you don't have her, I'll be alone forever.
It's like famine thinking.
If I don't eat this meal, let's be doing more meals.
There's that famine thinking when it comes to friends.
Like, if you ever have a friend, like, what are you hanging out with them for?
You fucking don't even hang out with me anymore?
Like, that's the surest way to lose a friend.
daniele bolelli
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Become, like, really needy where you get upset that that friend hangs out with other friends.
That's ridiculous.
It's crazy.
People like that are ridiculous.
And I've had friends like that before.
You know, only when I was younger.
You know, when you're younger, you're sort of figuring out what style of person you are and how do you live your life.
What's acceptable and what's not acceptable.
People that are like that, whether they're aware or not, they're just incredibly manipulative.
They might not even be aware of why or what they're doing.
But when it comes to relationships, a lot of times people also mirror the family that they grew up in.
Like if you grew up in a really jealous, really abusive family, it can mirror itself.
Or it could be the exact opposite, where you see how retarded your parents were and you're like, well, fuck that.
I'm not going to be like that anymore.
So, I think Chris is obviously a very brilliant guy.
And Chris Ryan's book, it's an excellent book, which is, you know, really highly respected.
I think he's got some real good points.
And if you can intellectualize it and be objective, yeah, you know, if you're happy living that life, he's happy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and he knows a lot of people that also live like that are happy.
There's nothing wrong with it.
daniele bolelli
No, exactly.
I mean, I... To me, the argument he lays out makes perfect sense.
I think he's right.
It's just, for a lot of people, it's hard to get over those, but, but, but, but, you know, they still are possessive and jealous and all of that, and they can't deal with the idea that somebody they love is supposed to be only me.
unidentified
Fuck this.
daniele bolelli
You can't have sex with somebody else.
They flip out.
But yeah, to me, when you think about it, it doesn't really make sense.
joe rogan
Well, you know what else doesn't make sense?
Monogamy doesn't make sense, but neither does polygamy.
None of it makes sense.
You should do whatever you want.
If you're into monogamy, monogamy is great.
daniele bolelli
That's what I mean.
unidentified
Exactly.
daniele bolelli
If it works for you, why shouldn't you?
joe rogan
And by the way, it doesn't work with everybody.
If you find one person and it doesn't work with them, then that's not the one you should be monogamous with.
But it doesn't mean that you can't be monogamous with somebody else.
Or maybe even that same person at another stage of your life.
Sometimes things change.
daniele bolelli
I agree completely with you.
To me...
The Chris Ryan idea is the one that makes the most sense logically and philosophically.
But every single time I've tried to throw it out there at some lady I wanted to get in a relationship with, the discussion was invariably It makes sense.
I get your point.
But!
Sorry, it's not going to go.
And then it's a choice, right?
It's like, do I want it anyway, giving up this philosophical, it sounds cooler or not?
And the times when I have gone for it, and so it was then a monogamous relationship, I was totally fine with it.
You know, it wasn't like, oh, I spent my days thinking about what I'm missing.
I was completely happy with it.
Right.
I'm completely with you there.
To me, it's not it has to be one way or the other.
It's whatever works at the end of the day.
But whatever works means also having the flexibility to say maybe the traditional monogamous way is not the only fucking way.
Maybe there are other ways to go about it that are just as good.
joe rogan
Well, there certainly are other ways to go about it.
I mean, there's people that live in a house and it's a man with three women.
Right.
Or a woman with three men.
Wasn't that like a fucking drug dealer movie?
They're like...
Wasn't that like an Oliver Stone movie where there's a chick and two dudes and they used to have threesomes and someone kidnapped the chicks?
Looks so stupid.
Was it as stupid as it looked?
daniele bolelli
I haven't seen the movie.
I read the book.
The book was actually awesome.
The movie, I tried to watch it.
I quit 10 minutes in.
joe rogan
It always looks great on paper.
You know, it's just, it's very hard for people to pull off that open relationship, unless they're disgusting.
I'll tell you what, you want to see disgusting people?
Go to a swingers convention.
Ugh, just fucking people.
Ari and I were in, I think we were in Nashville, and we did a whole weekend at this place, and we had this guy drive us around.
You know, we hired a car service and got the same guy to take us to the airport, from the airport, and we became friendly with him.
And as he's taking us to the airport, at the end of the weekend, Starts opening up about being a swinger.
Like, out of nowhere, man!
We're fucking driving to the airport.
unidentified
He goes, hey, well, next time you guys in town, I'd be happy to take you to a swingers party.
joe rogan
We're like, what?
Huh?
What are you talking about?
So the dude opens up that him and his missus have this relationship where he can decide whether or not she sleeps with other men.
He can give the veto.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
No, I vetoed this one.
Okay, yes, that was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I go, well, how do you decide?
unidentified
He goes, if I don't like someone, I just don't want it happening.
joe rogan
I go like, what, like some hulking 6'5 football player with a giant hog?
A hog as thick as your calf.
Like, is that what it is?
And, like, he started getting uncomfortable.
And I'm like, well, how can you be uncomfortable, man?
You just open up the door.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, like, what is it that turns you off, like, about some guy banging your woman?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What's the big deal?
He couldn't answer.
daniele bolelli
He was not entirely.
He regretted starting the conversation.
joe rogan
Well, we got deep into it with him in the few minutes that we had left before we got to the airport.
But we were laughing the entire flight home.
daniele bolelli
Cab drivers must get so bored sometimes, because you get in the weird—like, I was with Duncan in—where were we?
In Wisconsin.
We got off the plane, got in this cab, and the second we closed the door, the guy started his monologue, right?
It's like there was—the cab driver started, let me tell you about our governor.
Our governor sucks!
And he started this 15-minute monologue where he went on, and he clearly was just itching to get it off his chest.
And that guy and I were looking at each other like, what the fuck is this about?
joe rogan
You can't tell him to shut the fuck up.
daniele bolelli
No, we haven't invited a conversation.
We haven't really even participated.
And he just started for a second one, kept it up to the last second.
joe rogan
That's the difference between a limo driver and an Uber driver, too.
If you get a limo, they kind of like...
Hello, sir.
Let me open up the car door for you, sir.
It's like going to a really nice hotel versus a shitty motel where the person at the reception is smoking a cigarette.
You get what you pay for.
daniele bolelli
But then again, Duncan B. Duncan, he managed to use that material for a comedy beat and he was awesome.
He made it brilliant.
So I was like, hey, look at that, you know.
After this shitty conversation came out, this awesome beat that he did.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, if someone's completely retarded or someone's completely out of whack, you could definitely make a good sketch about it.
This guy in Nashville, I still think about this guy.
Every time I go there, I'm just hoping I get him as a driver, just so I can see.
So give me an update, man.
I haven't seen you in a couple years.
How's it all working out?
daniele bolelli
That would be awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm back there in May.
I'm in May 19th, I think, or 20th.
I'm in Nashville.
So I hope I'll find that dude.
I'm really thinking about buying it.
daniele bolelli
So everybody in Nashville, please ask your cab driver what they think about swinging.
And if you catch the right guy, send him back to Joe to pick him up at the airport.
joe rogan
They have clubs they go to.
They have specific swinging clubs.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
I'm like, how does that work?
It's like, everybody just sits on people's laps, you go to people, but they all probably looked like him.
He looked disgusting.
He was like a balding dude with a ponytail, and he was tall, but he had a gut, and he was just skinny, but fat.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, because these things sound awesome, where you have your Playboy fantasy, and everybody look like they are out of...
Then it's awesome, right?
But sometimes when you see the reality, you're like, ooh, that's not what I had in mind at all.
This sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, the reality is most people that want to do that, they don't have a whole lot of other options.
Right.
But there's probably only like one super hot slutty girl that goes to those things, just loves being the belle of the ball.
daniele bolelli
Right.
joe rogan
Because if you go to like a swingers thing and you're actually hot, you're a hot girl.
daniele bolelli
Everybody wants you.
joe rogan
Do you remember there was a Showtime show for a while?
About people that were involved in these big swinging sort of relationships.
daniele bolelli
What was it?
joe rogan
It was a terrible show, but it was really weird.
Because they would show them getting together and making out and doing all this stuff together.
But it was in this obviously really well-lit room while they were filming.
Because there were these cameras on.
These people are supposed to...
Okay, everybody act normal.
daniele bolelli
Exactly.
With the camera up your ass.
Was this a reality show or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
Huh.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was on Showtime.
Yeah, it was a polyamorous show.
You found it?
It was called Polyamory?
Yeah, that was it.
It was gross.
Get out of there with that.
A very modern family.
Okay, it's not modern.
They've been doing that forever.
Okay, it's just, it's odd.
But there's always like one dude who's like, you know...
This is the way people should be, man.
They should just relax and just enjoy each other's company, man.
daniele bolelli
To me, that's the thing.
It's like, fuck should.
There's no should.
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
Whatever you're happy with.
If he works for you, he works for you.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
Exactly.
daniele bolelli
End of story.
joe rogan
Who gives a shit?
Do whatever you want.
What makes you happy that doesn't fuck over everyone else or anyone else or the environment?
But people can say that, if you want a fucking open relationship, it fucks over my life, Daniele.
Do you understand?
unidentified
I need a man, a real man, a man who doesn't want another woman.
joe rogan
It shouldn't be a compromise.
It should be what you want.
He wants a stack of romance novels and lives based on this fucking artificial narrative created by fiction writers.
Fucking fiction.
daniele bolelli
I hate that shit.
joe rogan
What about those Fifty Shades of Grey bitches?
I want to find those.
There's an untapped freak vein out there in America.
daniele bolelli
A big one.
joe rogan
A big one.
A lot of chicks want to get choked, and they're just not getting choked.
What is that about, man?
daniele bolelli
That I don't get.
joe rogan
We don't get it, and we never will.
That's the male-female dynamic, unfettered, unrestrained, that we don't understand.
You're never going to understand it.
daniele bolelli
Some of that shit is entirely above my head.
joe rogan
I want you to try to wrap your head around this mental exercise.
Imagine you're a woman who is going to take a condom that a guy came in and squirt the contents inside your pussy.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, not a...
joe rogan
Can't imagine that.
daniele bolelli
No.
joe rogan
But those people are real.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So imagine that a man who doesn't want to have a baby with you, but you want to have a baby with this motherfucker.
How do I do this?
I'm going to take the condom, I'm going to stuff it in my pussy, and I'm going to squeeze it out, and I'm going to get my fingers in there, and I'm going to fucking shove it in there.
I'm sure people have gotten pregnant that way, right?
daniele bolelli
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Do all condoms come with spermicide?
A lot of them do, right?
They have a little spermy side in there that kills them, little fuckers.
daniele bolelli
Wow.
There are some weird fucking people out there.
joe rogan
Right, but that's a human thing.
There's people that want to be connected so badly to someone that they'll lie about being on the pill.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I've had friends that they were having sex with a girl and the girl was like, just don't, I'm not on the pill, but just you can pull out.
So they're like, okay.
You know, when your dick's hard, you have like 10% mental capacity that you're operating on, right?
And so they tried to pull out and the girl wrapped their legs around him and wouldn't let him pull out.
daniele bolelli
Serious?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Yeah.
More than one guy has had that happen.
I've talked to more than one guy.
daniele bolelli
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
I've heard like the, you know, I'm on the PL where it's bullshit and they get pregnant.
I've heard that a million times.
joe rogan
I've heard that too.
daniele bolelli
No, I haven't heard this one.
That's just weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, trick pregnancy is fucking crazy, because it's terrifying that not only did you fuck up so hard that you got someone pregnant and you didn't want to get pregnant, but they tricked you.
They lied to you, and this is the type of person that you now have a child with.
So you have to raise a child with a liar, a manipulative liar, who decided to get pregnant.
Oof, boy.
daniele bolelli
Oh yeah, there's a couple that I know where that lady got pregnant intentionally after telling him, oh no, no chance in hell.
And then of course, this is under the file, this is the perfect family that then they tell their kids never have sex before marriage, da da da.
And I remember talking with their kid, like one of their kid was like 14 and was telling me all about...
Oh, shit, but they say no sex before marriage, these, and they stuck to it.
And I'm like, no, they didn't.
I know what the fuck they did.
Your mom was banging guys when she was 14. No, no, no.
joe rogan
My mom and dad met in Bible class, and my mom was pure.
daniele bolelli
No, the guy flipped.
He was like, serious?
I'm like, yeah, I'm not lying to you.
That's where it's at.
And he was like, holy shit.
I was like, yeah, man, sorry.
They just fed you a bunch of bullshit.
But at least you can relax and have sex now.
Just, you know, don't...
joe rogan
Just the idea that someone would be so manipulative and so self-centered that they would decide to have a baby with someone against that person's will.
daniele bolelli
That's when you know you seriously have problems.
That's where you're mentally fucked in the head.
joe rogan
Big time.
You're not just mentally fucked, you're now connected to this person.
You're not just mentally fucked and manipulative and evil, but you're connected to a person who had a baby with you.
And it was all because you lied.
Oh, it's weird.
It's weird.
Sex is weird because it makes people.
It doesn't just feel good.
Like, if it was just, like, hugging, or just, like, you know, being affectionate, and just making out, and like, oh, that's all great, you know?
But it makes people.
Like, blowjobs don't make people.
They're awesome, but they do not make people.
Fucking actually makes people.
Like, what a bizarre way of reproducing.
daniele bolelli
Tell me about it.
joe rogan
Like, you're drawn to someone, you can't live without them, the touch is so magical, you're like, oh, I'm gonna come inside you, oh, I can't believe it!
unidentified
Pfft!
joe rogan
Baby!
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Ridiculous!
daniele bolelli
That's when you got to think that the universe has been designed by somebody with lots of sense of humor, if there is any design behind it, because it's like, so much of this shit is just funny, you know?
It's just like, come on, you know?
joe rogan
It's funny, but it all makes sense.
I mean, this is the only way to really truly ensure that people have sex when times are tough and, you know, the world is rough.
And logically and intellectually, you wouldn't have a baby, but you have a baby and you have to figure out a way to hide it from the barbarian hordes.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Because you love it so much and you have these urges.
And meanwhile, the reason why the barbarian hordes are showing up in the first place is because they're looking for pussy.
The whole thing's crazy.
daniele bolelli
That's human history in a nutshell.
joe rogan
Some condoms used to contain spermicides, but most don't.
It's best to use condoms without spermicides.
Says who?
The person who wants babies, you fuck?
jamie vernon
It says that what I was looking at right now is that spermicide can actually increase chances of STIs, such as HIV and chlamydia.
Because it can cause irritation, which can lead to the rubbing and blood.
joe rogan
Maybe on your dick, bro.
Not mine.
My dick laughs at spermicide.
My dick's like, whatever, bro.
But if you have, like, lambskin, I think lambskin condoms, you can get pregnant anyway.
Like, the jizz can get through those things.
And I definitely know that diseases can.
daniele bolelli
I thought it was no pregnancy, but yes, diseases.
joe rogan
I want to know how, when heterosexual people like Charlie Sheen gets HIV. Come on, Charlie.
You come clean about everything.
What were you doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to know what you were doing.
Were you sharing needles with somebody?
Like, what were you doing?
Did you take it in the booty?
What were you doing?
There's no shame in your game.
Come on, man.
Come clean.
Come clean.
daniele bolelli
The problem is that in Charlie Shane's case, I don't think he remembers.
unidentified
Probably.
daniele bolelli
I don't know.
I'm sure I did something, but who knows?
joe rogan
He's so hilarious because when he came out and talked about it, it wasn't like he wants to set the record straight.
He just doesn't want to pay anybody anymore.
So he decided to just...
Put a stop to all the financial bleeding that was going on in his life.
Boy.
That's an interesting tale, the Charlie Sheen tale.
Because it went from a tale of sort of almost like heroic excess to like a sadness thing.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
Make time.
joe rogan
You ever see his teeth?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They're like falling out of his head.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's like photos of...
I don't know.
I guess smoking crack's not good for your teeth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
daniele bolelli
I would guess that.
joe rogan
Fuck with the enamel.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
One of his girls that he used to date says his fucking teeth are all falling out.
And then if you see him when he smiles, he smiles like this.
Like his lips are curled over his teeth.
unidentified
Yike.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It seems fun when you hear about it.
He's doing blow, because that's how he rolls, and he's having hookers.
But then at the end of it, you realize, oh, this guy's probably completely out of control.
daniele bolelli
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, probably a slave to these chemicals, but also talented enough that he can figure out a way to make exorbitant amounts of money and he has really smart people behind him.
Because he went from that Two and a Half Men show where he made exorbitant amounts of money to this...
Other show, which was a terrible show.
daniele bolelli
Which one was it?
joe rogan
Anger Management.
daniele bolelli
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Terrible show.
But he got an insane deal where they filmed all 100 episodes really quickly, and so he made hundreds of millions of dollars.
daniele bolelli
They were afraid he would unravel in two months.
joe rogan
No, it's a thing where you...
It's like a guaranteed syndication deal.
Hmm.
Where if they did, they would do like a 1090. Like the way a show would work, like you would do 13 episodes and then you would do the back nine.
And the back nine would equal 22, which is a real season.
So like when we first did news radio, I think the first season we did like 13 episodes.
And then if you get a pickup, everybody gets excited.
Oh, we got a pickup for the back nine.
So what they decided to do instead of that was do a 1090. Yeah.
So you do the first ten episodes.
If the first ten episodes go well, you get picked up for the full hundred.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So the idea is like, look, we've got a hit on our hands.
Let's negotiate accordingly.
daniele bolelli
Let's go.
joe rogan
We got Charlie Sheen.
I don't know if you know, but Charlie Sheen was a big part of Two and a Half Men, made billions of dollars for the network, and we can do the same thing for UFX. And so they bought Hook, Line, and Sinker into this deal, and it just fucking went right into the shitter.
daniele bolelli
No success whatsoever?
Like, it was just that not only it sucked, but nobody watched it, or what?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
daniele bolelli
I imagine that people wouldn't watch Charlie Sheen just because it's like a train wreck about to happen, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it was not a bad show at first, you know?
It was one of those shows where people watched it, and it got like...
It's hard to do a good sitcom, man.
There's not a lot of good writers.
You have to have really good, dedicated writers that are funny, and then you have to have an actor who knows how to pull it off.
You have to have a showrunner who's got experience in putting those things together.
There's an art form to creating a sitcom all itself.
I was on one for five years, and I got to see it pretty intimately from a bunch of different levels, from the level of really talented, really smart actors.
Who can figure out how to manipulate a scene and make it funny and the level of really smart really good writers who really know how to craft a scene and then networks with good ideas and networks with shit ideas and then you got to put them all together and Good luck.
Back then, you had to have a good time slot too.
That was a big part of it because people had to know that you were on.
daniele bolelli
Again, now times have changed, right?
Nobody fucking cares about it anymore.
It's just not even an issue.
joe rogan
Well, that's why Netflix has got it down.
Watch it whenever you want.
Not only that, the whole season comes out at once.
daniele bolelli
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
That's the best way!
daniele bolelli
I can watch things one episode one week, one episode the next.
That to me is bullshit.
I wait for the season to be over.
I'll try to just tune spoilers out and if I catch them I'll forget anyway.
It doesn't matter and just binge on it once it comes out and just watch everything in two, three days and be done with it.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I watch Walking Dead every week.
daniele bolelli
Really?
joe rogan
But I don't watch it on TV. I don't watch it while it's on TV. I watch it on iTunes the next day.
I watch it on Apple TV. I wait for the season.
Fuck those commercials.
That's ridiculous.
What do I have to pay?
Five bucks?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
To not have a commercial?
Fuck you.
daniele bolelli
I thought he worked it.
joe rogan
My time is way more valuable than those 15-minute chunks where you just interrupt with stupid music and dancing frogs or whatever the fuck is.
Geico!
You know, oh, I'm selling insurance.
Fuck, you just ruined a zombie show.
You've ruined the mood.
daniele bolelli
That show is awesome.
joe rogan
It's a good show.
daniele bolelli
That show, I dig it.
joe rogan
You know what's the better one?
The LA one.
daniele bolelli
I saw that one.
joe rogan
It's a better show.
daniele bolelli
The Walking Dead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They only did a few episodes, but it's a really well-directed and well-shot show and really well-acted.
daniele bolelli
The only thing...
I agree with you.
It's awesome.
It's very well done.
The only thing I didn't dig were the characters.
The characters of the main story of The Walking Dead are some cool characters that you dig, that you care about them.
joe rogan
Right.
daniele bolelli
These guys, you kind of want them to all get eaten by zombies.
It's just like...
You don't give a fuck about any of them.
They are all like...
joe rogan
I want the woman to freak out.
She doesn't seem to freak out very easy.
daniele bolelli
Enough, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's like real, almost too calm.
She should be shitting her pants.
People are eating people all around you, bitch.
Your neighbors are monsters.
They haven't turned into like zombie looking either.
They haven't deteriorated enough yet.
daniele bolelli
Yeah, it's the beginning when they still look mostly human.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'd like it, though.
I think it takes time to develop those characters, but as far as the way it's shot and acted, it seems like it's a better show.
Daniele, we're almost out of time, my friend.
I gotta get the fuck out of here.
daniele bolelli
Cool.
joe rogan
What else is going on?
I should tell people about History on Fire, for sure, your amazing podcast.
daniele bolelli
Thank you, my man.
joe rogan
And you opened up first episode with that, well, not first episode, but episode, not zero, but episode one, was one of my favorite stories you've ever told, that fucked up story about the crucifixions.
daniele bolelli
If you want some fucked up stories, the latest one, I think, was episode five, as a story that made the crucifixion look like a Disney movie.
joe rogan
What's it about?
daniele bolelli
There's a story, it's a complicated long story, but to go for the essential element, there's like these two Persian brothers who are princes who are fighting in this civil war for power, and the mom of both of the guys is pissed when one of them got killed, and so at one point she's really pissed off and she wants the guy who actually killed her son to be executed, but she can't really go to her other son and say, execute this motherfucker, because...
He was obeying the other son's orders, right?
So she finds a way for him to fuck up, for him to say something that will piss off her other son, the king.
And then the way they execute this dude is they put him in a box with only his head, his arm, and his legs sticking out, but his whole body is trapped in this box.
They force-feed him, horny and other weird shit that...
For the next few days, the guy is being force-fed, starts shitting all over inside the box.
This attracts maggots, like flies that lay maggots in there and stuff, and they literally start walking their way inside of him.
So he has maggots hatching inside of him and eating him for the next two weeks.
Under the file, Happy Tales from the Ancient World, the kind of crazy shit that you want to be...
I mean, what crazy motherfuckers sit down and think, I want to kill somebody, but I don't just want to kill him.
Let's figure out, I mean...
joe rogan
A slow, torturous method of killing someone.
daniele bolelli
That's pretty fucking weird, if you ask me.
joe rogan
People are goddamn creative.
Like, when you look at what they did during the Inquisition, all the different ways they killed people...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Ugh...
daniele bolelli
Yeah, the Game of Thrones one where they put a rat on your stomach, put a plate on it, and like, that's a true story.
That's like Inquisition stuff.
They did that for real.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniele bolelli
But actually, just so, not all of History on Fire is about crazy gross stuff.
There are actually some pleasant stories here and there.
But yeah, of course, the intense, weird moments are there as well.
There's one that you would dig.
I think episode three was about the Iceman, the guy that they found in the Alps from 5,000 years ago.
And it's kind of like this murder mystery because we found out that he was shot with an arrow.
We found all these things about his life and there are some Crazy ass details that archaeology can give us about this guy's life, what he was doing.
There's evidence that he may have been doing acupuncture 2,000 years before it was ever done in China.
There were like crazy stuff.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was the evidence of him doing acupuncture?
daniele bolelli
They found needles?
No, they found these tattoos, but they're not tattoos like artistic tattoos.
They are like dots and lines, and they are all along acupuncture points.
They are all along points where he was in pain.
So they think that it was kind of some primitive form of acupuncture that you would dig in that spot with needles and then you would seal it with like possibly like the way they do moksha, you know, where they burn herbs on that spot and it leaves.
That's probably how those tattoos originated.
joe rogan
Wow.
daniele bolelli
And it's trippy.
It's like.
That rewrites history in so many ways.
Some crazy European, 2,000 years before acupuncture was in China, was doing something very similar to that.
That's pretty weird in itself.
Never mind the whole murder mystery aspect of it also.
I don't know.
I dig these stories.
There are so many out there in history that I ever feel they just pick in one and then researching the hell out of it for a couple of months.
joe rogan
Well, there was another new one that was saying rewrites history.
They found a mammoth, a dead body of a mammoth that had clear evidence of human predation, like one of the ribs had been shattered, they think, with a spear or something like that.
But the problem was it was 45,000 years old in Siberia, and they didn't even know the people were there back then.
daniele bolelli
Right.
joe rogan
So they're like, okay, well, I guess we're...
A little off here with the time, too.
It just keeps going on and on.
I don't remember the exact specific details of this story.
It's almost the problem with the overabundance of stories on the internet.
You almost get too many of them.
daniele bolelli
I know.
joe rogan
They're just coming at you all day.
daniele bolelli
I was telling that to Jamie right before we started.
I was like, Jesus Christ, I love internet, but at the same time, I need to get out of the way sometime because it's just too much stuff.
There's good stuff, but too much.
joe rogan
You could go down a motherfucking rabbit hole.
I went down a penis operation rabbit hole the other day.
Somebody sent me a link.
Matt Staggs actually sent me a link to some guy who grew back his foreskin.
And I was like, alright, let's see what he did.
So this guy like put like weights and stretched out his foreskin and all this different shit.
And so then from that, you know, like the suggestions over the right hand side on YouTube, one of them was like this penis operation.
I was like, oh Christ.
So then I go to this thing, and this guy is under, and they installed a pump in his ball sack.
And so the doctor, with his rubber gloves covered in blood, is squeezing on this guy's balls, and he's turning this guy's dick hard.
And I'm like, what?
That's what Liberace had, apparently.
He had one of them pumps.
unidentified
Ugh!
joe rogan
They put a pump, like you're pumping your dick up with fluid, I guess.
There's like a fluid in there.
And then you hit a button and it releases it, and your dick goes flaccid again.
It's fucking bizarre.
The head doesn't get hard, though.
The head is like sort of halfway soft.
Yeah, like a floppy head.
It didn't seem like I was disappointed.
daniele bolelli
That doesn't work.
That kind of defeats the purpose.
joe rogan
It was strange, and there was all these other penis operations that I just couldn't do it.
I couldn't get into it.
daniele bolelli
Yep, that's the internet for you.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can go deep.
unidentified
You can go deep.
joe rogan
Alright, Daniele Bolelli, thank you very much, sir.
Your book, Not Afraid, it is out right now.
Daniele Bolelli, author also of Create Your Own Religion, History on Fire podcast, D Bolelli, B-O-L-E-L-L-I on Twitter.
Thank you, my brother.
Always a good time chatting with you.
All right, fuckers.
We'll be back tomorrow with Kyle Kingsbury, former UFC fighter, all-around great guy, and fanny pack enthusiast.
He'll be here tomorrow.
See you.
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