Joe Rogan and Christopher Ryan explore how civilization’s repression of sexuality—from Freud’s Civilization and Its Discontents to capitalism’s materialistic incentives—fuels both psychological imprints (like childhood trauma shaping desires) and organized crime, comparing El Chapo’s empire to Al Capone’s. They debate modern idea-sharing via tech versus historical dissemination, critique feminist narratives around figures like Linda Lovelace, and question cultural taboos on death, linking secrecy to exploitation. Ryan’s Civilized to Death thesis ties repression to societal avoidance of mortality, while Rogan muses on psychedelics’ potential to reset harmful patterns. The episode ends with a nod to Ryan’s 2016 book and Trump’s looming presidency, framing systemic pressures as both ancient and evolving. [Automatically generated summary]
No, he was already married with kids, and he described it.
It was a very weird thing.
He said that he was looking at his daughter's foot, and he realized that there's a God.
I'm sure, given more time, he would like to express himself a little more clearly in that regard.
But I have a feeling that a lot of these right-wing people that...
That go pro-religion, where it doesn't make sense, where they're super analytical and rational and kind of calculated about other things.
But then when it comes to religion, they just completely give in and don't question it.
I feel like it's an affiliation thing.
I feel like if you want to be affiliated with the right, you have to be religious.
And I think that they recognize that, because they know that if you do that, if you blindly affiliate yourself with religion, and if you want to be, like, sort of ingrained in the right, you kind of have to be religious.
There's very few people that are conservative or on the right that are atheists or agnostics.
That's true, but meanwhile the seats are what they are, and so for a very short amount of time, just think of it as an exercise in your inner thigh development.
Just keep them pinched and work on like an isometric tension sort of a thing.
I think about like putting someone in my guard, like I'm trying to hold a triangle.
Well, look, I'll go with it if it becomes socially acceptable for me to put my hand down my pants and pull my balls up before I cross my legs, you know?
Like Weichiru guys, supposedly they would have these katas, and in the kata they would be able to suck their balls up into their body to prevent them from getting kicked.
Well, because, I mean, for some reason, five minutes ago, I had the thought, like, I remembered some gay guy saying to me, like, gay guys give better blowjobs than women do.
Yeah, I had dinner last night with a sex therapist and we were talking about that.
And she's like, She was like, you know, I've got people come in, they've been married 25 years, and they've never talked about, like, what position works, you know?
Or, you know, that she doesn't like it when you do that, and you've been doing it 25 years thinking she gets off on it?
But even that, like, you could argue that having it been co-opted and having it move away from just being about reproductive, just the pleasure being tied into...
Being a reproductive mechanism, it's still about reproductive, even if it's socially, because in the social thing, it's one part of a greater pattern of things that's set in place to make sure that you have the preferred mate.
You know, like socially as well, like seeing how someone interacts with someone socially, seeing how someone...
All those things are like sort of set up this like...
Very complex dance of interaction between men and women where you're trying to figure out what is the best case scenario for someone that you're going to get together with, that you're going to establish some sort of a really intense relationship and bond with.
And the most intense, ultimately, at least the most...
The most committed is having a child that you have to take care of together.
Because then you're not just committed to it in the sense of, I love you and you love me, but now we have to take care of people.
And so now we have to sort of abandon our own needs to take care of these people as well.
And we've kind of gotten this position by virtue of our being able to socially jive with each other.
Yeah, I would argue and have argued that in hunter-gatherer times, that sort of nuclear family thing that you're positing, the mother-father-child, is much more fluid.
And so women weren't really that concerned about a mate in that sort of long-term sense.
Yeah, foragers, which is 95% or more of our existence as a species, right?
So what I argue in Sex at Dawn is that there's more dispersed responsibility for childcare, that food is shared, that defense is shared, everything's shared.
And that really freaks out 20th century and 21st century Western scientists because it smacks of communism, you know?
But that's simply the fact.
If you look at hunter-gatherers that still exist or, you know, even bonobos, right?
One of the primates most closely related to us, they share food.
Very egalitarian, right?
And so I think that the woman's admiration for a man Isn't necessarily sexual attraction for the man.
So she might be fucking a dude who's actually genetically more compatible with her.
But, you know, she spends more time with another guy.
see that played out in marriages now.
Like a woman will marry a Hugh Grant kind of dude, but when she's ovulating, she'll go out and fuck a Brad Pitt looking dude.
You know, square jaw, testosterone indications, right?
Because the vigor of his genetics turns her on when she's ovulating.
When she's not ovulating, she finds it kind of vulgar and she's more into the other dude.
This woman tweeted something the other day and I responded to it.
It was really interesting.
She's an author, and she was saying that women, like men, complain that sometimes when men and women are together for long periods of time, that the woman no longer wants to have sex.
She's probably just unrepressed as well, you know?
I mean, she's just, her life is so bizarre in comparison to the average person that sometimes, I think, we have all these like self-imposed borders that we put on our behavior.
And I think that's one of the reasons why someone like her exists, like you're a release valve for all this pressure, this repression that a lot of it is self-imposed.
And so they try to find some sort of an outlet for all their kinky, weird shit that really builds up, almost like a residue of our mundane, suppressed society.
Yeah, and it builds up precisely because it's repressed, right?
That's what this sex therapist last night was saying to me.
If people have a way to express this energy, then it doesn't become problematic because it doesn't build up.
If a dude wants to dress up in women's clothes or whatever, and his wife's cool with it, every once in a while he dresses up and is like, okay, whatever, that's cool.
But if she would freak out, it starts to become a big issue in his life.
Last time I was on, I think we talked about...
I have this theory of how some people have a homosexuality fetish as opposed to being born homosexuals.
Dude, I must have gotten 30 or 40 emails from men after that saying, Dude, that's me.
I've never heard anyone describe that.
That's me.
And now I'm getting a lot of...
I've gotten several really moving emails from men who are attracted to kids.
And what they're saying is like, look, I know you sympathize with people who can't help what they feel, right?
Which is true.
I feel this.
I don't ever want to act on it.
I don't want to ever do anything.
But I can't tell anyone.
I can't go to a therapist because they, by law, have to turn me in.
The culture is so freaked about anything around sex and kids that we're shooting ourselves in the foot because we're not giving these guys away to let some of that energy vent off.
Yeah, I think, I mean, I haven't done any research, original research.
I've read a lot of papers, right?
So take it for what it's worth.
But my feeling is that it's like what we talked about last time with fetishes.
There's a developmental period for boys, somewhere between 5 and 10 years of age, where an experience can imprint on you permanently.
And so that could be expressed as, like, you need to smell latex to get off, or you need to be humiliated by somebody like Sierra, or whatever it is.
Or it could be you want to have a sexual experience with a man, even though you're not gay, because you had that experience when you were seven and that imprinted on you.
And that's what that goat-sheep thing is about, right?
They wanted to understand, like, is this a male mammalian thing, right?
And so that's why they're looking at different species where, yeah, these males...
Even though they're goats, they were with sheep when they came of age sexually, and for the rest of their lives they can only fuck sheep.
How do you figure out a way that you recognize the fact that they do have this issue and this issue was an imprinting issue because of sexual molestation as a young person?
How do you deal with that?
And somehow or another, I mean, I wonder what, if anything, could fit.
I mean, I wonder if they've ever done any studies on psychedelics, like really intense ones, like iboga, things along those lines, like how that reacts to people or how people react to that when they have those kind of issues.
The idea, I think, is that these boundary disillusion, these boundary dissolving, rather, experiences are so intense that...
Whatever patterns you had that were there before, they've sort of been dissolved for at least a short period of time.
I've always described really intense psychedelic experiences as being like a reset button, like you're pressing Control-Alt-Delete.
On your brain.
And that when your brain reboots, you're left with a blank desktop with one folder in it.
And that folder's labeled my old bullshit.
And then in that my old bullshit folder, you have to decide, like, what do I do?
Do I look at this folder and look at it like an outsider and just try to see what is useful, if anything, about my old bullshit?
Or do I fall right back into these comfortable old patterns because those are all I've known for X amount of years of my life until now?
I think for a lot of people, they have these big...
Experiences and these big breakthrough moments and then they go I'm gonna be new I'm gonna be different I'm gonna change and then it's too uncomfortable and then there's too much time between that experience in the next one and they slowly slide right back into my old bullshit yeah at least at least Partially, you know at least in some way.
Yeah fall fall prey to the victim of the patterns of their past That's why it's so cool to have ritualized, sort of culturally-approved use, like the peyote and the Huicholangians, right?
Where every year they go to the desert, and as they're going out to gather the peyote, every night around the fire they confess everything they've done that year that was wrong.
So they, like, cleanse themselves.
You know, and then they take the peyote and they have that experience, which, you know, I think that sort of sequential ritual helps to seal in the changes, the benefits, you know?
Whereas with us, like, okay, you go to Peru, you do it, you're back.
Yeah, we've talked about this before, rites of passage, you know, rites of passage for adults, that I think that these moments of celebration and ceremony, that sometimes they can be like really beneficial because they physically mark like a big change in your life.
Like it makes this thing, this new thing that becomes a part of your life.
My phone has decided to transcribe everything I'm saying here.
Fly to this gigantic campus that's worth billions of dollars as you siphon up all the world's resources and develop the Ubermunch robot killing machine.
Well, you know, that was like the argument for, there's a lot of these festivals, like South by Southwest, you know, that they put on these gigantic festivals, and they don't pay the artists.
They don't have any money.
But it's owned by Southwest, like South by Southwest, like Southwest Airlines sponsoring the whole thing.
And they don't even fly you there.
I'm like, you can't fly me on your own airline to your thing where you want me to work for free.
It's like come to the mountain or go on the cruise or whatever.
But what pisses me off is they don't tell you up front.
The first four or five exchanges...
You're under the impression that this is a paying gig right and then when you've already talked about dates and how great it's gonna be and Then it's like oh, but and they make you bring up money You know, I mean you've got an agent who does it but you know, I was doing it myself and it's like You know We've been going back and forth and I have to ask you like, you know, by the way, I you know, my standard fee is X Oh, no, this is because you get to meet all these great people
I mean, Jamie and I were just discussing that actually before the show started about these companies that are trying to capitalize on podcasts where they're coming along and they're trying to take a piece of the action.
And offer some non-existent service that's going to connect you with more fans in exchange for a piece of the show.
And I'm like, they're just banking on the fact that it seems good because it's a big company.
Like there's something attached to being attached to a big company.
Actually, the contrary is true.
It's a bad thing to be attached to a big company.
Then you have to meet with all these people and they get to decide which direction your shit goes in.
Yeah.
And that summit thing, man, I got an email, and I think you were in it.
You know, and that's what a lot of these people are doing.
Whenever I hear that term, you know, I'm involved in a startup, I just want to run in the opposite direction.
Just fucking flee.
I don't even know what you just said, but I got to get the fuck away from you before you hit me with some emails about some shit that I don't give a fuck about.
She's just looking at something that's more interesting than being on the road.
I'm not a huge fan of sitting the kids down in front of the TV, but there's a lot of shows that are educational.
They actually learn from them.
If you could put on a good educational program, they actually pick up some stuff from it.
Some of the little kid shows that they have today, they have little lessons that the kid can learn about how to be nice and what's the benefit about telling the truth when you made mistakes and not getting upset at people and that kind of stuff.
And she was like, there was two main girlfriends that I had in high school.
And they're both very nice girls.
There's nothing bad to say about them.
But one of them went to Catholic school.
And she was the most fucked up.
And she just had just, like, massive suppression from Catholic school and just looking for an outlet.
And her outlet was any boy that, like, showed her attention.
Like, it was good for me early on to, like, date a girl who's, like, super promiscuous because it, like, lowered my expectations about, like, girls cheating on me or cheating in general.
Like, we kind of made some sort of agreement somewhere along the line that we'd never be, like, official boyfriend and girlfriend.
Like, or that she would be some sort of a pervert or a whack job.
But now, it's, like, standard.
It's so strange.
Like, I remember thinking, like, she was embarrassed because another guy, I mean, she was 18. She was embarrassed that another guy had made her do this and that I was going to see and I was going to think about this other guy.
Honestly, for whatever reason, I've never been that guy.
I'm not a jealous guy in that way.
Really?
No, I'm like, who cares?
What do I give a fuck?
Especially a girl that I wasn't even...
You know, we were long-time boyfriend and girlfriend or anything.
She was just this neighborhood freak that I liked.
She was a great person.
She was nice.
She wasn't bad.
But she just...
They'll describe her to friends like, she was like, you know how a kitten, you could like roll a ball of yarn in front of them and they just have to dive on it?
Every woman had a month in her life where she would have to go and serve the gods of Greece by being on the steps of the temple fucking every man who wanted to fuck her.
Wow.
Really?
Yeah.
So her sex...
Like, was seen as her service to the gods.
And so they weren't whores, they were You know, doing God's work right there, you know?
Like, we talked about in Sex and the Time, we talked about the Kulina, I think, who, like, these men would go out on hunting parties, like, four or five days, you know, a few guys, and a woman would go with them to cook and, you know, keep the camp good when they're out hunting and fuck them when they got back to camp to, like, keep them comfortable.
And she wasn't some whore.
She was a great woman.
Like, hey, it's my turn.
It was an honored thing to do.
You were talking earlier about how our culture, we repress all this really natural stuff and make it a problem when it doesn't need to be a problem.
I've always wondered why that is and I wonder if it has anything to do with our our need for Innovation and for like growth and for productivity and if the idea of Like, somehow suppressing sexuality makes people concentrate on being more productive and more successful, so that way you can kind of earn sex.
And if sex was more free, you wouldn't get as much done.
And I wonder if it's some sort of a weird workaround that...
Almost like the construction of this advanced civilization is sort of...
It's like it's invented this path that sort of ensures productivity.
And one of the best ways to do that is to make people compete in a very efficient and ferocious way for the attention of women.
And if the attention of women was easily achieved, there would be less ambition and there would be less...
More materialism that leads to a more obvious expression of that materialism like you want the big house you want the nice watch you want the Nice shoes and the nice clothes and in wanting all those things You want all those things because sex is like difficult to achieve and if sex was easy to achieve you'd be a little bit more relaxed and your needs because like ultimately the physical needs kind of like Trump all the other stuff.
You know, like, do you want a nice watch?
Yeah, I mean, it's okay.
Why do I want a nice watch?
Well, they kind of look cool.
Okay, but do you want a nice watch because girls are going to recognize it?
Yeah, well, the girls don't give a shit about a nice watch.
But that in 2013, he had proposed selling off public land to pay for the debt that our corrupt politicians have fucking established in this country, right?
Well, Teddy Roosevelt had set aside all these national parks and all this...
That's incredible, because we could all go there.
I mean, we have these areas of our country that are owned by the citizens.
So, like, you can go to Yellowstone, you can go to all these different national state parks, national and state parks, and you can go fishing, you can go fucking kayaking, you can go camping.
And there's politicians that have proposed selling off all this potentially very valuable land to large corporations to pay off a lot of the tax debt or the deficit debt.
The problem with that is, first of all, it's never going to pay it off, because we owe fucking trillions of dollars.
They tried to explain it, that if every man, woman, and child in this country gave every penny that they own, we would still be trillions of dollars in debt.
That's another thing that the right almost universally does.
They almost universally support big businesses that impede on public lands and frack and do a lot of things that are potentially damaging to the environment.
And they're very submissive of that.
They're very submissive.
Oh, what, a few wells.
Get tainted.
A few lands get poisoned.
There's a few areas where there's a spill.
But it's this weird sort of agreement.
There's an agreement with a lot of very confirmed right-wing people that you're going to be religious.
You're going to thank God.
Whether or not you believe it or not, you want to align yourself with these people.
You have to be openly religious.
And you also have to be openly dismissive of environmental concerns.
There's this fucking guy I do jujitsu with who seems like a nice guy, but we were having this conversation once about global warming.
And he starts going off about these people that believe in global warming and that...
He's just real right wing.
He's a soldier, you know?
And he's like, shit.
There's a natural cycle.
It's always been like, are you a climate scientist?
Like, how are you so confident?
Do you know, like, there's like...
Thousands of scientists that have been studying this for decades and they're convinced that there's some shit going down and that it has a direct relationship, whatever percentage that relationship is, whether it's 5% or 6% or 1%, but there is a relationship between modern, industrialized civilization and the warming of the planet.
They believe, this is scientists that have looked at the data and say, well, maybe there's some cycle going on, but that cycle may in fact be Accentuated by human beings in our activity and we might be speeding this up along and it might have this effect that is like this effect where like there's some concern about the polar ice caps.
Have you heard that concern that As they melt, they create pools, and as those pools reflect water, it exacerbates the situation, and everything goes in this exponential rate, and it starts, instead of looking at it like, oh, we're losing, yeah, there's tipping points.
Instead of, we're losing X amount of feet per year.
Well, actually, once it hits this area, and then comes water, and then the water reflects light, then it gets even warmer, then everything gets crazy.
And then there's going to come a point in time where you're fucked.
I mean, one need not look very far to find underwater civilization evidence.
Right.
There's been a bunch of them that they found recently, where they go near coastal cities, and they're out scuba diving, and they go, what the fuck is this?
And they find, oh, well, 5,000 years ago, this was a city, and now it's underwater.
Well, there was an article that I tweeted the other day that's even more terrifying.
They were talking about the potential for long, frozen viruses and bacteria that we cannot control and that we don't have any immunity being released as global warming sort of...
Washes over these fucking dead wool mammoth carcasses and shit.
Some saber-toothed tiger.
Got saber-toothed tiger AIDS. And it's gonna just get blown off like dandelions in the breeze.
Well, I don't think I could ever live like this if a city didn't exist.
I don't think I could live like...
I mean, I'd have to be off the grid, right?
So if I'm off the grid and I'm going to live the way I live, I would have to figure out a way to make a living so I'd have to have the kind of resources that I have which are really dependent upon a city.
What do you think of the argument that as technology increases and as people become more and more centrally located in cities and that's happening in all these urban areas and these That people will be more concerned with their careers and that I've read that there is a concern that the population will actually decrease dramatically because as people become more concerned with their careers and more ingrained in the civilized urban life that
I'm talking about women in Pakistan who have absolutely no power or anything.
So as they get educated and have more access to resources and so on, they'll have fewer kids.
And a lot of places in the world right now, population growth is below zero.
Japan, Spain, France, you know, the Nordic countries.
Which is why the whole migration thing is...
There's a bit of a bait and switch going on there because...
They're complaining that they don't want immigrants, but they know they need immigrants because there aren't enough young people to support the old people.
Well, the problem is they're getting immigrants, and a lot of times these immigrants have these really extreme cultural values.
Right.
I mean, they have a serious issue.
There's a serious issue with different religious factions battling it out in all these European countries now.
There's a giant Muslim population in France.
Have you ever seen that video where this guy walks around Paris dressed as a Jew, a very obvious Jewish person, and he walks through these Arab neighborhoods and just gets...
Fucking yelled at and screamed.
Oh, it's horrible.
The anti-Semitism.
And I asked Ari about it, and he's like, it's been pretty well documented that a lot of these places that have allowed pretty much anyone to immigrate to, that they develop these communities.
And in these communities, they, you know, essentially hold on to some of the worst aspects of wherever they're from.
And it's only part of the communities.
But if you go through those parts of those communities, you're going to find those people.
Yeah, and they think that it's very possible that this is all Graham Hancock's area of expertise, and him and Randall Carlson will be on on the 19th, and I'm really psyched about that.
I've only been there once, and it was because I was invited to speak at Sydney Opera House in this thing they do that's like the Australian TED, but they call it the Festival of Dangerous Ideas.
It's very strange, but in doing that, I understand what they're doing.
They're protecting their brand because it's worth a lot of money now.
I mean, they have a TED podcast, and they have these TED talks, and TEDx, and the website gets fucking insane amount of traffic, and they've become a corporation.
They've become this corporate entity.
But when you respect someone, like if you have someone like you, and they like your book, and they like your ideas, the more they can just give you free reign, the more it's going to be exciting.
We're going to let you express yourself in an uncensored way.
You're going to get the full Chris Ryan experience instead of like some bullshit watered down corporate version of whatever the fuck your ideas would be, whatever palatable aspects of your ideas they think they could sell to people.
He was kind of irritating because I wanted to shake his hand and say hello, but every time I saw him, he was engaged in the same argument with the same guy.
This one guy was just hounding him.
And I don't remember what it was.
I don't know if it was like chemtrails or it was like one of these things.
My buddy shot one the same trip that was probably six, seven hundred pounds bigger.
It was so big.
It walked across the road and it literally didn't look real.
Like, his walked in the street in front of us, like, it was a road street, but it was maybe 250 yards in front of us in the road, and we were like, gee.
It was like Jurassic Park.
It was like a scene in Jurassic Park.
I mean, we could have probably driven under it with the truck we were in.
Yeah, apparently on Kodiak Island, even though they're so enormous, those bears are so terrifying, there's very few negative interactions with human beings.
And that's one of the reasons why some people thought that that show, The Hunt, I don't know if you saw it, was a show that was on, I think it was on Discovery or one of those networks, History.
Like, it looks really cool from the valley, you know?
I mean, it really does.
You don't need to...
Like, what is it about you that you need to say, I was at the top of Everest, you know, with my oxygen tanks and the five Sherpas carrying all my shit, you know, and I paid 60 grand to the guide to, like, drag my sorry ass up there.
I just felt like, eh, fuck that.
But then Wim, you know, that's a whole different thing.
And he said, he was like, to do it with clothes is too easy.
Like, that's one of the things he said.
It would really be easy.
There was a recent article, I forget what publication, but some online thing where they were talking about the business of going to Everest.
That it's like this...
Eco-tourist business now where you get all these rich people and they hire these Sherpas that do all the dirty work, all the hard stuff, carrying the oxygen, carrying the food, carrying everything.
And all these people do is they sit in their warm tents and they put on their warm clothes and then they go where the Sherpas tell them and they feel like heroes.
But I used to do a whole bit about Mount Everest, that it's not like when you get to the top of Lucky Charms guys waiting for you with a bag of gold.
Oh, finally you've reached the top.
Now you don't have to work again for the rest of your life.
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Come with me, this free pussy and cocoa in the tent below.
There's some stupid chimp thing about going to the top branch.
It's because we associate the highest branches with being safe from the predators.
That's the reason why bedrooms have...
If you have a house, the master bedroom is almost always on the top floor.
And the reason is you want to be above to look down at the potential predators.
There's an association, people believe, with Like chimps and trees and human beings and having like houses that are on the top or the master bedrooms on the top.
I'm thinking the bedrooms being on top comes from the centuries where people lived above their domesticated animals and the heat from the animals rose up and heated their bedroom.
Well, you know, this thing about fear of death, you were talking earlier about making sex, like restricting access and then using it as a lure to get people to work, right?
So in Civilized to Death, the last chapter that I've just written, by the way, I'm fucking done.
If you have a duffel bag filled with mushrooms and you're selling them at a concert, it is literally possible that you will have a larger prison sentence than if you accidentally kill someone in a street fight.
And I heard all these weird voices and I hid under this rhododendron bush and it turned out that they were the patients taking a walk and they were like wandering the grounds and I'm like cowering under this rhododendron bush like having cried and lost my shirt and you know I was just a fucking mess.
You know about that research where they, I think it was at Yale, in a psychiatry residence, the teacher said, okay, the project is this weekend you have to go out.
There were like six or seven students.
They had to go out.
And check themselves into a psychiatric hospital, separate, different ones, right?
Saying that they were hearing voices that were telling them to hurt themselves.
Check in and then spend the night and then the next day explain the situation and come back.
None of them could get out.
Because they wouldn't believe.
Because they're like, no, listen, I'm a medical student.
When people start accusing you of things, you start wondering about your own intentions.
We exist in some sort of a strange state where we're constantly seeking approval.
We seek approval from each other.
And we like to live in at least somewhat of a state of harmony with our neighbors and our friends and our community.
And when someone is pointing to you at being a disruptor of harmony in some way, shape, or form, you know, like if you're in a relationship, I've had friends that have been in relationships like, man, my fucking girlfriend, she's always accusing me of doing this and accusing me of doing that.
I'm like...
You gotta break up with her because you'll get sucked into that world.
You will get sucked into her world of anxiety and craziness and you'll become something different than you are now.
If you don't become that, you'll at the very least be a mess.
Because you're constantly defending yourself.
Like, I'm just going to deal with it.
I'll go home.
I'll talk to her.
That is the embodiment.
That is the definition of a codependent relationship.
You're allowing her to be this accusatory person.
Or he, a woman with a man, same thing.
It's not sex dependent or gender dependent, but it's this weird thing that happens to people.
When someone starts pointing at you and saying, you know what, Chris?
You're just a fucking asshole.
You don't care about anybody but yourself.
And you're like, do I? God damn it.
You start having to look at yourself and go, is this true?
And if someone says it enough, you'll start to think it's true.
You'll start to believe it.
So if you get a guy and you lock him up in some fucking cage, and every day you tell him that he's a criminal, and every day you tell him, you're a terrorist.
You're plotting with ISIS. You fucking put an orange jumpsuit in him, and then he does want to kill you.
And then before you know it, their fucking memory is so distorted and twisted by years of beatings and you're feeding them dog food and kicking them in the dick.
Who is that guy anymore?
14 years in Guantanamo Bay and they let him go?
I would be amazed if he doesn't become a terrorist now.
If I were really ballsy, because he's doing Christmas with his family elsewhere, and I know that yacht is sitting in the British Virgin Islands empty right now with the crew.
Fucking yachts are weird in that sense, in that if you have one, like, man, it's beautiful and it's amazing, but people look at that floating fucking thing, and that's a bank.
That's like a floating bank.
Inside of it, there's money.
You just got to figure out how to extract it.
And if you can grab one of those people that's inside of it and take them and whisk them away and then contact the other people and say, hey, you got to give me some of that money if you want one of these people back.
So he's the tunnel dude, and he's got all these teams of engineers who are great at building tunnels, and they're always finding them in San Diego and all this, right?
So you finally catch the dude after he's already escaped from the other one five years ago or whatever that was.
You finally catch the dude again.
You put him in the most secure prison in Mexico, number one supermax Mexican prison.
And dudes are building a tunnel with power tools into the prison, and you don't hear it and don't expect it and don't think about it.
And they're like at some fucking construction site a mile outside of the wall of the prison, then you're not checking that bullshit.
Give me a fucking break.
This guy paid off.
The prison guards, that's why they're all arrested now, paid off the head of the prison, paid off the senators and the governors and probably the president, and then they built the tunnel to give a viable story for the dipshits like us to listen to and say, oh, he escaped through the tunnel.
No, he didn't.
He walked out the fucking front door and got into a limo.
Well, there was a story recently, we were actually talking about this in a previous podcast, that they had come very close to catching him, like within the last couple weeks.
Well, I mean, that relates to what we were saying earlier.
Like, we don't choose what we want.
We don't choose what feels good.
Things feel good.
I mean, there's a...
I mean, this is really a fucked up thing to talk about, but it's real.
One of the reasons that rape is so psychologically damaging to women is a lot of women come when they're being raped.
So imagine the schism that that creates in your own experience, where you're like, one part of you is saying, this is the worst fucking violation that's ever happened, and this guy is a monster, and your body's coming.
Like, what the fuck?
And see, I think that's similar to what we were talking about with these little boys who are having experiences that get sealed as a pleasurable experience in one way, even though later they look back on it and say, that was a violation and a crime.
Sexuality is such a very, very strange thing because it's not just about reproducing.
There's psychological aspects to it.
There's sociological aspects to it.
There's forbidden things that become more appealing because of it.
It's so strange what exists with human beings and that it doesn't exist at all in any of the animal world.
This idea of being conscious and being aware and of also contemplating all the variables.
And that this sort of combines together with the biological needs of reproduction.
And it creates this really potent, confusing cocktail of ideas.
That's one of the reasons why it's so offensive when you find out...
That someone that you know has either been raped or someone that you know has been accused of raping someone and they didn't do it or that someone that you know has been involved somehow in a rape, like they were a part of a rape or they maybe were in a gangbang rape or something like that.
It's just like, whoa, my whole world's been thrown upside down.
Like, this idea of what people can and can't do to each other, it's so crazy.
Human beings forcing themselves on other human beings is so strange.
And then when you hear, how many women have a rape fantasy?
Like, my buddy was having sex with his girlfriend once, and she admitted while they were having sex that what she really wants is a bunch of black guys to come over and just fuck the shit out of her against her will, hold her down, and he said he never thought about it the same way again.
He was like, he was fucked.
Like, the relationship was done.
It was like you couldn't handle it.
She just wanted big, muscular black guys to come over and just fuck the shit out of her.
Just hold her, shut up, bitch!
And she didn't really want it to happen, but she wanted it to happen.
In her head, that was the fantasy.
The fantasy, when she would be alone, no one was there, she would lock her bedroom door and masturbate, she would be thinking about getting raped.
In some crazy way.
She didn't want a relationship with that guy.
She didn't want that guy to nuzzle her, take care of her and cuddle and watch Netflix.
No.
She wanted that guy's cum in her body to make some super potent child birthed out of violence.
But what about these cases you read about every once in a while where a dude goes to a woman's house at night and she thinks it's her husband and they have sex and then she finds out it was just some guy?
Every couple of years you read one of these cases where like some guys like he just walks into a house and has sex with a woman and she's and then she's like, wait a minute, you're not my husband.
Those things seem unbelievable to me, but I've seen them several times.
Well, weirder things can happen, especially if you're in a situation where maybe your neighbor has been thinking about fucking your wife forever, or the postman, and maybe they know your schedule.
He doesn't come home until 9. Every night he works this shift, and I can just get in there on Tuesdays, because that's when he's not there.
It's very scary because someone can do things to you, I'm sure, while you're under the influence of sleeping pills, and you would probably just accept it or think it was a part of your dream or what.
But when you're taking something that forces you into that state...
We're monkeying with the mind in a strange way.
And these companies that make these pills will have you believe that it's safe.
It's because you don't die.
So if you don't die, they'll label it as safe.
Look, we woke him up or he woke up in the morning and we checked his heart rate.
Actually, I think I might have mentioned the last time I was on that You know, you and Duncan had sort of...
You know, when we get together and talk about the future, I'm like the...
But I read this book called Future Perfect by Stephen Johnson.
And...
I got a bunch of books that I was going to trash, right?
Like there's The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley.
And there are a couple of books that are all like, oh, everything's great.
And I was like, okay, I'll respond to these arguments because obviously I'm making a different argument, so I should acknowledge them.
So I trashed Matt Ridley.
I trashed Steven Pinker.
I trashed some other people.
And then I read this Future Perfect and it's like, fuck, this guy's right.
He's right.
He makes really good arguments.
And they're very much along the lines of what you were saying about the power of unfiltered media that's happening, that's unleashed by the Internet, creating these emergent peer networks that never could have existed before.
So good ideas can spread really quickly and get capital really quickly if it's a business sort of money distribution kind of thing.
And therefore, things can change.
Like, I'm looking back at every civilization that's ever existed, and they fail, fail, they all collapse, and they all follow the same patterns.
But there wasn't this sort of immediate world global mind.
And as I said earlier, you know, homo sapiens sapiens, the hominid that knows it knows.
What does it know?
It knows it's going to die.
The first thing that consciousness becomes aware of is its own mortality, right?
So what I'm hoping is that when this global mind clicks on, as I think it's happening right now, that's when we become aware of our mortality as a species and as a planet.
And maybe there's some like radical transformative power in that.
And we'll all end up living like Joe Rogan in 100 years.
Well, I definitely think there's a radical transformative power of the instant exchanging of ideas and information.
Because the good ideas, they get vetted out.
Like, everybody's ideas get discussed and bandied about.
And even, you know, podcast ideas.
Like, there's some ideas that people, you know, throw out on podcasts and they get debated.
And everybody gets...
There's so much intensity and so much, you know...
Discussion and debate about who's right and who's wrong.
And it's because I think one of the reasons why people have so much of a vested interest in these things is they recognize the significance of exposing ideas for what they truly are and trying to figure out which ones are good and which ones are bad.
And also the repercussions of living in a world filled with bad ideas and bad assumptions that we're all acting on.
Whether it's racism or homophobia or the fucking Federal Reserve or the fucking two-party system.
All these things, all these things we know by virtue of examining all the facts, like, God, this is not the best way to do this, but this is the system that we're stuck with.
So when we're making communities, and even if they're open-ended online communities of people exchanging ideas, they're still kind of communities.
Like people I talk with on Twitter or people that I read their Facebook posts, there is a community to that because we are exchanging information.
We're all communicating with each other, right?
And there's a community that comes with podcasts as well.
I mean, the people that are listening to this right now, the millions of people that'll get a hold of this conversation, they're a part of a community.
And whether or not they agree or disagree or hate or love, they're still in somehow or another, they're still in some way communing with each other.
We're talking and communicating and everybody has this ability now to exchange ideas and the good ones sort of resonate.
And because of that, I think we can exchange ideas and evolve ideas and evolve our own perceptions of things in a much, much, much quicker way than ever before in the history of the human race.
It's called Future Perfect and the author is Steven Johnson.
And, like, he talks about Kickstarter and how, you know, Kickstarter, two years after it was launched, it was already funding more art than the National Endowment for the Arts.
Your friends or some hunter dude or some comedian or a fighter that I don't know.
How come you can't get Obama?
Marc Maron got Obama.
How come you don't get Steven Spielberg?
I'm not even trying.
How about that?
I just want to have conversations.
If I really wanted to have a conversation with Obama, I don't even know if it is possible, because I think if the fucking Secret Service listened to any of the shit that I've said before, I'd probably be removed from the discussion, but...
I mean, I feel like there's some people that I probably could talk to that I'm not drawn to that.
I'm not drawn to them.
I'm not interested in it.
But if I am interested in them, I'll pursue them.
Like, there's some famous people that I find fascinating.
But if you have a talk show, like if you have The Tonight Show or something along those lines, you can't do a show like that unless you have famous people on.
If you're the host of one of those shows, and you're a part of some multimedia conglomerate like NBC or Universal or whatever the fuck it is, they're gonna bring you all these people.
This is Mike, blah blah blah, he's got this fucking Fast and the Furious 47 coming out, and you know, and you gotta have that guy out.
What was it like on the set working with Michelle Rodriguez?
Oh man, she's crazy.
First of all, we're just like a tight-knit family when we film this film.
It's amazing, and I got a real big thanks out to Steven Spielberg for producing, you know, like all that bullshit.
The crew was This is great.
It's nonsense.
It's nonsense.
And that's all you're ever going to get in these little seven-minute sound bites in between commercials.
You do the seven minutes, we'll be right back.
All right.
And then you go to commercial, and then fucking, Ty, Toyota, woo, blah, blah, blah, habilified.
You feel depressed.
And then next thing you know, bam, new guest with our new top 40 song, I Love Apples.
And you're going to watch these famous heads say nothing, say nonsense, and that's all those shows are.
And that's one of the reasons why those shows are...
It's an old model.
And I think that model is not going to work in this new world.
This new world of computers and the internet and phones, this new world wants real information.
They want to know, who the fuck are you?
Like you or don't like you?
You're you.
Chris Ryan is Chris Ryan every time I've seen you talk.
You're you.
And that's what people like.
That's what resonates.
They know whether or not they agree with you or disagree with you.
They know that where you're coming from is a place of honest consideration.
And I try to do that as well.
Everything I try to do, whether I'm right or I'm wrong, if I get it wrong or I'm clunky, I'm not trying to be anything other than who I am.
I think we're all in this together and we're all learning and evolving and growing and expanding our ideas together.
I think one of the beautiful things about podcasts is that you get to share this with other people.
There's a lot of people right now that might be listening to this in a truck on the way to somewhere and they got fucking three hours to go and they're thinking about shit and it's enriching their ideas and they're expanding their own ideas because of it.
Maybe they're adding something in their head.
They're thinking, you know what?
These guys are right, but you know what else?
What about this?
And then they have their own idea from that and maybe that can become a fucking business opportunity for them or a book that they write or they start their own podcast.
I've gotten fucking hundreds and hundreds of messages from people that said they started their own podcast from listening to this.
And that alone, who knows?
You could nail some fucking podcast and that podcast might be the best thing that anybody's ever heard before.
And it might all come out of you hearing Tangentially Speaking or the Duncan Trussell Family Hour or whatever.
And I think that in that sense, like...
Everybody has a voice now, you know?
In some really unique way that never existed before.
And what you were saying about the guy in the truck, as you were saying that, I was thinking, one of the things that I really...
We were earlier talking about Radiolab, and I said I found it sort of annoying how produced it is.
And I think one of the things that's cool about your show, my show, Duncan's show, these conversational shows that aren't highly produced and edited, is that that guy in the truck...
He's listening to us have a conversation in real time.
So it's really easy for him to imagine himself participating.
Whereas if you're listening to something where everything's cut and real tight and controlled, you can't insert yourself into that world because that's not a real world.
In this book I'm almost finished with now, the argument is that civilization is sick.
Right?
Civilization itself is a sick system, partly because it's built on the repression of natural urges and then, you know, all this distortion and all that.
So when you look at, like, all these stories that, you know, people are talking about, World War I, we don't even know what they're fighting about, you know?
And they're poisoning each other and they're blowing shit up and they're destroying the landscape and it's dropping tons of munitions and all this shit.
Or Columbus, when Columbus landed, you know, he fucking...
You know, the letter he wrote back to the Queen when he first landed in Hispaniola was like, these people are so beautiful and they're so generous.
If you express admiration for anything, they just give it to you and there's food everywhere and fish everywhere and fruit and they swim and they're half naked and they're lovely, lovely people.
With 50 soldiers, we can enslave the entire population.
Is something that served the interest of the system.
And so what I'm trying to get at in this book is that what serves the interest of the system is not what serves the interest of the individuals within the system.
So the fact that, you know, people often say, well, obviously the human race is amazing because, you know, so successful because, look, there's 7 billion of us now and there were only 100 million 500 years ago, whatever it is.
And my argument is like, well, wait a minute.
There are way more prisoners in America now than there were 50 years ago.
Does that mean prisoners are thriving?
The fact that there are more of a given species doesn't mean that individuals within that species are living better than prisoners.
And the idea that this is the only way to do things, well, that's just because we're the best version.
Like, if you want to look at America as far as, like, productivity and innovation, and we're the best version right now currently on this planet.
But that doesn't mean this is the best way to do it.
And it doesn't mean that if we found a planet somewhere that was filled with human beings that spoke a language that we could all understand, but they just lived forever.
Fucking way more harmonious than us.
They had no garbage.
Everything was completely recycled.
There was never any waste.
They kept a very strict understanding of their environment and what they were doing to it and how many babies they had and how they treated each other and they never allowed poverty to exist.
They never allowed extreme depression or any of these things that we have that we just push aside or throw pills at or fucking put fences up for.
We could live like this in small, sustainable groups like these tribes that we were talking about.
We're talking about the way they would take care of the village and that everybody would take care of each other and they'd live in these harmonious communities.
And it's not saying they don't have disputes.
It's not saying they don't disagree about things because all people are constantly debating about ideas and they all have their own unique and different perspectives.
When we get to this gigantic group, whether it's 300 million in America or 7 billion worldwide, there's this massive diffusion of responsibility for the residual effects of our civilization.
Cigarettes out the window and fucking poop in the ocean or whatever it is.
We somehow or another don't feel responsible for all that, although ultimately it comes from humans.
If we found some group that had figured that out, We found some planet that was filled with people that didn't have anything that we don't have.
They had computers, they had cars, but they had figured all this other shit out.
And they just said, well, this is more important than anything else we're doing.
Let's engineer this first.
Let's figure this out first.
We would realize that we're living like apes with phones and guns.
I had this joke, and part of the joke was about if we went to the zoo, or went to the Congo, we found some rare spot in the Congo, and we ran into these chimps, and they had figured out cell phones and rocket launchers, but all they were doing was taking pictures of their dicks and shooting each other in the face.
We'd be like, what the fuck are you guys doing?
But that is us.
That is us.
That is what we're doing.
I mean, we're not only taking pictures of our dicks and only shooting each other in the face, but we're doing a lot of it.
There's a lot of dick pics and there's a lot of people getting shot in the face.
And a lot of it is by robots that are flying around the sky killing 90% of the wrong people.
Well, sex and military are the two main drivers of economics, right?
I mean, yeah.
E.O. Wilson said—he's a great biologist—he said, humans are—the tragedy of humanity is that we have Stone Age instincts, medieval institutions, and godlike powers, technology.
Indigenous tribal people oftentimes that live in jungles and things where there's a lot of food, a lot of resources, and there's no fight for resource.
In this book, I quote this Jesuit who lived with the Montagnier Indians in what's now Quebec.
And he says, like, you know, they really enjoy life and they're not worried about dying.
They're not worried about being hungry because they say the world provides for them.
They look around.
They're like, yeah, there's food everywhere.
And he says, like, I try to talk to them.
If they get a beaver, they have a feast.
Even if, you know, the guys next door got a beaver and they're having a feast too, and if they get three beavers, they'll have three feasts, and they just eat till everything's gone.
And when I say to them, like, why don't you save something for tomorrow?
Well, they lived in a different world too, where there wasn't this massive fucking quantity of human beings that are literally pulling everything out of the land.
Like this big furry thing with horns and it's running around in the frozen snow.
You're like, what the fuck is that?
But these animals can survive in places where we couldn't imagine surviving.
And they thrive out there in this frozen tundra.
These big gigantic 2,000 pound beasts covered in fur.
God, it's amazing.
But my point was that Right.
to extinction.
Now, because of the symbiotic relationship, especially like white-tailed deer, have with agriculture and human settlement, there's more deer in America today than there were when Columbus was here.
Right.
And it's because of intervention.
It's because of management.
It's because these fish and game groups have recognized the problems and have regulated the amount of hunting that people can do, but also worked really hard to protect habitat and preserve habitat.
And that's one of the things with these national forests.
In fact, Teddy Roosevelt, because he was an avid outdoorsman and a hunter, he is the reason why we have these national forests and national parks.
It might have been the same day, but he was back in New York.
I think he was a governor or a senator, and his fucking life fell apart.
And he's from this really wealthy family, right?
Obviously, the Roosevelt's, they were already a very wealthy family.
And as a way, you know, a little bit like Wim Hof, as a way of dealing with his grief, he was like, fuck it, I'm out of here.
He quit and he went out to like Montana, I think.
and worked on a ranch.
And he was a sick kid, which is why he sort of like overcompensated in a way with all the macho and, you know, all this stuff.
And he worked on that ranch, and that's where he really fell in love with the natural world and, you know, became this.
And then he went back and became Secretary of the Navy, I think, and fought in the Spanish-American War, and, you know, his political career took off from there.
Well, that's what happened yesterday when that storm system came in.
I'll show you a picture when we finish, but it was so beautiful because it was really late and the sun was right on the horizon and these Crazy clouds came in really quickly, and then it was raining, and there were rainbows, and when the rays of the sun come down, Jacob's Ladder, I think it's called.
So everybody was like, pictures!
And all the waiters were like, no photos, no photos!
I think it's people in the entertainment business.
So there are a lot of, you know, producers and screenwriters and, you know, and some actors will go in there, whatever.
But I think the idea, it's not like...
My impression, anyway, is that it's not about going and being seen.
It's about going and not having to deal with the shit, but still being in public.
So you can be in public, people will be cool, they respect your privacy, you can hang out and work, you can have meetings there, you can do your business there, whatever.
I have a buddy who's a wealthy real estate guy, and his house is basically a hostel for really hot, semi, like...
Semi-homeless girls like a Charles Manson without killing no no no because like it's always like some new one that is Living with them and they almost always have like a little dog and they're like they just get kicked out of their apartment No, you could stay with me and they want I'm staying with him And it's like this battle yesterday.
He's an older guy.
He looks like shit.
It's hard for him to fuck them Occasionally he does get to fuck them, but sometimes I'm like dude.
You got to get away from her.
What are you doing?
She's fucking But that's what he does.
He has one after another of these semi-homeless girls that don't have any place to go and they wind up staying with him and they're usually really hot.
Yeah, and he was, I mean, you'll relate to him in some ways, because he was, like, physically, he was a really serious dude.
Like, he was a Green Beret, I think, and he had killed a couple of people, and then he, like, spun out into drug addiction or alcohol or something, and then he got his shit together.
But he was just so fucking charismatic that, like, people just gathered around him all the time.
But...
If you watch it, we'll talk further.
I don't want to say anything else, because it's really interesting.
It's just extraordinary, because as Herzog shows in that movie, they use the contour of the rock to accentuate the contours of the body of the animal.
So there's a bulge in the rock, and that's in the shoulder of the bison, and it's But I'll tell you that, I mean, Lesko, it's a real honor to be invited.
I'm really glad you did that, too, because he's 85 or something.
He's not going to be around forever, but he's really underappreciated because he's published 25 books and 700 scientific papers, but he never sought Media or anything.
Amazing Randy is a fascinating cat, too, because he sort of set out to try to disprove as much of that shit as possible, even though that's how he started out.
I'm really good at this bullshit, but it's bullshit.
But, I mean, he was amazing.
And when he would pull information out of people about their childhood and guess things and explain where they came from, and it was just, like, mind-blowing.
And I'm like, how the fuck are you doing this?
He wouldn't say.
But he would say, I'm not telling you how I'm doing this, but I'm telling you right now, I'm not psychic.
This is all fakery.
It's all bullshit.
But he would get...
Furious when he would like the Long Island medium or one of those shows where they had people and they would tell them about their dead relatives.
He's like, these are crooks.
These people are shit.
They're ruining people.
They're stealing money from people with their trickery.
Because I think we put our dogs down when our dogs are sick and in suffering.
We know that they're 15 years old and there's no positive ending to this.
But we don't do it with people.
We make people naturally rot away.
And I know there's a potential for fuckery.
And for people that want inheritance money, and you talk your elderly dad who's got Alzheimer's into signing over some will just before you fucking off him.
There's a lot of that.
That's real.
It's 100%.
I know a guy who found out that his own brother had talked his mom into signing a fucking new will, and he had to fight him in court over it while his mom's sick.
His mom is like, she's got some sort of a neurological disorder, and she's completely out of it.
And he did this while...
His mom was sick.
He was taking care of his mom and he had to hurt.
There's horrible, horrible people out there that do do things like that.
And they could do something like that and then put someone down.
On the other hand, like, why would you want someone to just suffer in fucking complete and total agony for the remaining five months, six months of their life so that you can rest easy in the fact that they went out with God?
Because that's the kind of thing, if your parent or grandparent or husband or wife is facing this kind of thing, and you're thinking, fuck, I could put the dog down, I can't help my wife die in peace, you're not going to say that to anyone.
You get arrested.
You'll get ostracized.
But we can say it publicly.
You know, some people somewhere say, fuck it.
This is the truth.
Like in the book, I quote from doctors.
And you look at what choices doctors make for themselves when they're dying versus what they recommend to their patients.
The graph is crazy because they know CPR rarely does anything.
When you're 80 years old and you have a heart attack, CPR might keep you pumping along for another couple of weeks, but you'll have brain damage, broken ribs, and excruciating pain.
On TV, the number of people who go home and lead a healthy life after receiving CPR is like 95%, and in reality, it's like 6%.
Yeah, so it's a funny...
But getting back to the people you're saying who sign this and then off them, whatever.
The question I have is like, are we making...
There are creeps who will do that shit, right?
There are situations that are really ugly.
But by our refusal to openly talk about this stuff and make these things available, are we empowering them?
Or not.
Because the assumption is that they would have more power, but I think if you have an open adult conversation about these things and a government that acknowledges that sometimes the right thing to do is to help someone die without pain and the hospice gets funded a lot and all that, I think that...
It disenables those people.
It disempowers them.
Because then grandma, when she's still got her shit together, is going to be more open about talking about it.
There's going to be more advanced directives signed.
People are going to be...
You know, it's like sex, where the abstinence-only programs, those are the states where the most STDs are.
Most pregnancies, teen pregnancies, right?
So you refuse to talk about it, you just make it worse.
But I think that what's going on now that has never existed before is that our culture is not just being shaped by whatever media is projected.
For the longest time...
Our culture was shaped by the people that surrounded us, you know, and that's why leaders were so important, right?
And then tribal cultures, tribal elders, and shamans, and the people that had lived a long life and had learned, and you could listen to them, and they could explain these experiences that they've gone through and perhaps you're going to go through.
Rites of passages were also very important for that same reason.
Like, you're going to go through something, you're going to experience something, and then you'll have a greater understanding of the world because of that.
And for the longest time in our most recent history, you know, it's the longest time for us pretty recent, the last few hundred years, it was either books that gave us a depiction of the world and we kind of learned from that and said, well, this is obviously how the world goes.
Or then it became motion pictures and television and Father Knows Best and, you know, all these different shows that sort of gave us this idea or ideal of what life is all about.
And that's where we've formed our vision or our version of reality.
But now it's different.
Like now our version of reality is being formed.
By conversations, our version of reality is being formed by people communicating with each other.
It's just a completely different sort of experience because now you're seeing a broader, wider Sort of conversation going on with whether or not this like it just even Movements that are extreme like like whether it's PETA or whether it's animal rights organizations or gay rights organizations or trans rights or whether it's like these Black Lives Matter these are there's all these different groups that
have like way broader reach with activism that it was never possible before and If you didn't have a guy like Martin Luther King, a charismatic leader that could speak up and give speeches, I have a dream!
If you didn't have that guy, who the fuck else do you have?
There's so few voices.
But now, anyone with a concept or an idea that resonates with other people, you can make a tweet, and that tweet can go viral.
And that viral tweet can shape the way people look at a certain subject.
You could write a Facebook blog or a Tumblr blog or make a short YouTube video and people could watch that video and see your perspective and go, God damn it, he's right.
And then you can do it through a GoFundMe or a Kickstarter or some shit.
You don't need anybody's help.
We live in a weird, weird time.
It's amazing, but I feel like we don't appreciate it or can't recognize how insanely transformative it is because we're a part of it.
I think like one day in the future, they'll look back at the 21st century and they'll look back particularly at the time from, you know, the year 2000, I think.
Maybe even 2001. Maybe September 11th would be like a tipping point because of all the chaos that went along with that.
And they'll look at the amount of change that's taken place in the last 14 years since September 11th.
And they go, this fucking...
What a whirlwind of change and ideas and transformation.
And in the middle of it, we're just in the middle of it with our iPhones and YouTube and Periscope and all this crazy shit that's going on.
And I was single and living by myself, so I just would go to the DVD store and just fucking brush those beads aside like a gangster and just either buy them or rent them.
And yeah, I remember taking her in and I remember just like, it was like, you know, like taking a chunk of seal meat into a shark tank, you know, it's just like, all the dudes are just like, yeah, a real one, a live one.
Well, you know, oftentimes people do become tools of...
Groups that have these ideological principles that you may or may not go with.
The idea of the feminist movement, the real problem that a lot of people have is that There's some women that are involved in that that really don't like men, and they're opposed to men.
There was one woman who was a part of, I think it's called Google Ideas or something like that, but she had this Twitter page, and she was arguing with people on Twitter, and one of the things she said is, I eat men for dinner, or I eat men for breakfast.
Like, you think I'm scared?
I eat men for breakfast.
And everybody's like, what?
Why would you say that?
Like, all men?
Like, not even assholes?
Like, why would you even say that?
Like, you imagine if a man said that?
If a man in any position of power, like, and she was, I believe what, I mean, poor understanding of what's going on, but I believe that she was brought in to sort of bring more diversity to this project they were doing.
You know, this this idea and then bring in a feminist perspective was gonna, you know, balance things out a little bit, which is always a good idea, right?
But when you read something like that, like that's if even if that's not really her intention, just having that perspective, having the perspective of, you know, I eat men for breakfast, like you could never say I eat women for breakfast.
I think it's what we were talking about earlier, about these small groups of people that have these ideas, and they're very, very passionate about spreading these ideas.
And these ideas don't necessarily have to be good, but they have to have a bunch of other crazy people that believe in them.
Like, the people that convinced Linda Lovelace into saying that she was raped, and the feminist movement that co-opted her ideas.
I mean, they didn't do it because they were calculating an evil and they had some grand plan to ruin it for everybody else.
They probably did it because they were nuts.
And there's a lot of other nutty people out there that agree with you.
I tweeted something the other day that someone tweeted, and it was so fucking ridiculous that it made me go, what the fuck?
I don't even know what to say.
But it was about abortion.
And the tweet was something like, abortion isn't just about women because not everyone who gets pregnant is a woman.
Do we assume that when people say something nutty that they're crazy in almost every single avenue except for gender?
For gender, we'll just accept anything.
We'll just accept back and forth.
There's a guy that they did, speaking of Radiolab, an amazing piece, and the guy clearly out of his fucking mind when you listen to him talk, but he flips.
Back and forth from being male and female all day long.
And they're talking about it like it's this very unusual thing.
It's very rare.
Normally with transgender, they live in one sex and believe they're another.
But this person goes back and forth.
But when you listen to this person talk, you realize this is not a stable human being.
And it's quite possible they're out of their But you don't consider it because it's gender.
If they thought they were a fox, if they believed that they were born in the ocean of merpeople, you would say, well, this guy's out of his fucking mind.
But because he's talking about gender, he can say, well, now I'm a man.
Well, now I'm a woman.
I just turned.
I just turned.
So he's in the conversation.
And in the middle of the conversation, he's like, I just flipped.
Like they asked him something uncomfortable.
I'm jacked now.
I just flipped.
Like, oh, oh, you're fucking crazy.
Oh, you're crazy.
You're a crazy person.
You believe you're male and female back and forth like ping pong balls?