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Sept. 28, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #701 - Honey Honey (Part 2)
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ben jaffe
06:06
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joe rogan
36:18
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suzanne santo
19:04
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gary clark-jr
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jamie vernon
00:04
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suzanne santo
I'm really working hard on not being sorry.
joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
If this is your first voyage with us, you picked a very strange part of the journey.
This is part two of the Honey Honey podcast.
Part one, there was a lot of alcohol and marijuana in the room, allegedly, and some things were said.
suzanne santo
We're not really sure.
Yeah, we don't know what happened.
joe rogan
Some things were said.
We don't even know what the fuck we said.
After it was over, we're like, are we okay?
Did we do anything wrong?
suzanne santo
Give us another chance.
joe rogan
But what is this whiskey that you find people have brought?
What does that mean?
suzanne santo
Basil Hayden's.
H-Y-D-N-S. It means fun times.
joe rogan
It does.
suzanne santo
It means good talks, in-depth conversation.
joe rogan
They invented that shit when people thought dragons were real.
They were worried dragons were going to fly out of castles.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
ben jaffe
Drink some of that.
joe rogan
Fucking hammered.
Drinking that.
But I'm pretty sure we're okay.
I don't think we said anything that fucked up.
suzanne santo
Mm-mm.
No.
unidentified
No.
ben jaffe
I feel good.
joe rogan
But I'm not married to anything I just said.
ben jaffe
Yeah, it's easier that way.
joe rogan
I just want to let everybody know.
If I piss you off, I'll probably piss me off too.
If I go off and listen to me while I'm sober, I'm like, idiot, shut up.
Fuck up!
So, I'm right there with you.
We're just trying to do the best we can, ladies and gentlemen.
It's a strange world.
It really is.
We're spinning around.
They found water on Mars today, bitches.
unidentified
What?
suzanne santo
Today?
joe rogan
Shit just got real.
ben jaffe
Big time.
joe rogan
Big time NASA announcement.
We're going there, aren't we?
unidentified
To live.
joe rogan
We?
Not me and you.
No, don't do it.
unidentified
Everybody.
joe rogan
Suzanne, I won't let you guys go.
suzanne santo
Let's get all our friends.
ben jaffe
It'll be a big party.
joe rogan
No, fuck all that.
suzanne santo
We'll ring the music.
You ring the funny.
joe rogan
No.
suzanne santo
Jamie, bring the food.
unidentified
And the clean shading kit.
joe rogan
I say we stay in the spot that's already awesome.
There's not a lot of time.
ben jaffe
Yeah, it's really nice here.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is the best spot we have ever seen.
We've been sending rockets into space since the 1950s.
This is the best spot by far.
suzanne santo
Do we ever tell you about our car?
joe rogan
The Escalade?
suzanne santo
The Escalade?
joe rogan
Yes, I think so.
suzanne santo
Like I said, used 2007. We went into the manual.
We got a great deal on it.
We didn't want to buy a van.
We were like, there's four of us.
joe rogan
That's a better move.
suzanne santo
It was a good move.
We went into the user manual to figure out how to use all the fucking spaceship buttons.
Former owner registration falls out.
Ben, who was it?
ben jaffe
Setup.
Elon Musk.
joe rogan
Good googly moogly.
Do you worry that now the government is spying on you through Elon Musk's former vehicle?
suzanne santo
Maybe.
joe rogan
To keep tabs on you?
In case this is all like some sort of a scam, like Elon Musk, big fan of Honey Honey Band, says, listen, guys, I need you to take a Cadillac off my hands.
suzanne santo
Can you make us an electric SUV, Elon, please?
That would be great.
Thanks.
Have to go by.
joe rogan
It's a clone signal, the same one as in the back of my Tesla.
That goes zero to 60 in one second.
ben jaffe
He's controlling the vehicle.
joe rogan
They have these cars.
He's creating these cars that are literally like...
What's the most time you need speed?
The most time you need speed is like at a red light.
unidentified
Are you running?
joe rogan
At a red light, stop to go, or merging onto a highway, right?
Like if you're trying to merge onto a highway, that's the only time you legitimately need horsepower.
That's the only time.
Well, this guy is creating a car that's in that way as fast as anything that you could buy ever.
ben jaffe
It's like a Ferrari.
joe rogan
Ridiculously fast.
Maybe even faster than a Ferrari.
suzanne santo
Are you going to get one?
joe rogan
Nope.
ben jaffe
Not feeling it?
joe rogan
Have you thought about this very much?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
If the apocalypse comes, you're going to need gasoline.
You're going to need to burn things.
suzanne santo
Fair enough.
unidentified
What if there's a solar-powered element to it, though, the electricity?
joe rogan
Amen.
suzanne santo
Is that possible?
joe rogan
Yes.
If they can figure out solar to the point where they make some dope paint that's also, like, solar collecting, and it's like a solar panel.
Like, why does a solar panel have to look like the inside of an air conditioning filter?
Why does it have to look stupid?
Why can't solar panels look dope?
Why can't the whole car be just solar panels, you know?
Why don't you make some slick ass fucking solar panels?
suzanne santo
I'm working on it, Jesus!
joe rogan
Right?
ben jaffe
She's on it.
Santo's on it.
suzanne santo
Yeah, look.
ben jaffe
I do other things.
You know they're working on it.
They're working on it.
joe rogan
If they ever figure out a way to make a car that is 100% solar in California, like a Tesla, like a really high-end, beautiful car that also you never need to plug in.
The batteries are so efficient.
I don't think they're that far away from that.
I mean, when I say that far, I think like 100 years.
I don't think they're that far away.
suzanne santo
No, not even that far.
I mean, I think they already have that.
They're just hiding it because the gas situation is fucking government, Joe.
ben jaffe
Government totally sucks.
unidentified
Motherfucker, the government totally sucks.
suzanne santo
Tenacious D. Come on, Tenacious D. Oh, I don't...
joe rogan
I'm so out of the loop.
It's not enough time.
suzanne santo
It's okay, there's still time.
There is way still time.
joe rogan
No, that's all I'm saying.
In the day, if you're a Tenacious D fan, don't get mad at me.
I've enjoyed a lot of their work.
It's not what's going on here.
It's just not enough time to know that.
suzanne santo
You gotta pick.
ben jaffe
You gotta pick your moments.
joe rogan
Too much fucking...
That's the craziest thing about music.
If you really stop and think about it, at the break we were talking about Beethoven and we were talking about all the different notes and the different things that they created way back then that you can still recreate today.
ben jaffe
Just being able to notate.
You know, we can play music that was invented before there was recording technology, or that was the recording technology.
It's like, this is how that sounds.
We'll figure out a way to write this, and now you can interpret that and make the same sound.
joe rogan
Ryan, if you go back to then, how many people wrote music like that?
What was the number of published works in Beethoven's finest year?
suzanne santo
Well, it's weird because people aren't fully aware of what Mozart actually wrote as opposed to his family members contributed and stuff.
Is that what you're saying?
ben jaffe
That was Bach.
There was some of that.
The point is there wasn't much.
suzanne santo
There wasn't much.
ben jaffe
Being notated, at least, because who had the education to do that?
You needed tons of money.
You'd have to get people with serious money to sponsor your life, you know, and there just weren't that many.
joe rogan
It's also like that Tony Hawk, Lance Armstrong thing, where it's like there's a couple famous dudes.
In that field with everybody else.
Who the fuck?
Okay, Beethoven, Bach.
ben jaffe
Mozart, Chopin.
joe rogan
Who are those other dudes?
Okay, there's like a couple other dudes in the periphery.
unidentified
I got room for three or four major dead pianists.
suzanne santo
Well, there's certain outliers.
ben jaffe
They're so fucking good, though.
That's the thing about it.
suzanne santo
It's like all these contributing factors to the environment.
It's like Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers.
There's all these things that have to happen.
I'm sure there were other people that had these magical ears.
They just didn't have the resources to build it like Beethoven or Bach or Mozart did.
The arts, the Medici family, who were benefactors to these people that...
Flourish because of their incredible amount of wealth.
You know, it's just certain things.
That was the chair.
I didn't fart.
Just making that clear.
It was like straight up.
I want to talk about this.
ben jaffe
Here we are.
joe rogan
What happened to us?
We were so smooth.
suzanne santo
We were so smooth.
joe rogan
We were on top of it.
suzanne santo
We're still smooth.
unidentified
We are.
suzanne santo
Our feelings are like right up front.
joe rogan
Yep.
They're right there.
There's no need for us to talk about why you guys were upset at each other a few days ago.
Definitely not.
suzanne santo
We don't need to talk about that.
ben jaffe
No need for that.
joe rogan
I think we went through two and a half hours of awesome psychoanalysis.
Go back and listen to that shit afterwards.
We're going to be like...
ben jaffe
No, you said some really beautiful shit.
I'm not kidding.
Whether people want to listen to it or not, we appreciate it.
joe rogan
It's all lies.
I made it up on the spot.
suzanne santo
We'll take the front, the falsified information.
ben jaffe
You ever listen to classical music speaking to Beethoven?
joe rogan
I try.
I try.
ben jaffe
Yeah, it's difficult.
joe rogan
I decide sometimes I'm going to listen to it.
Like when I write, I'll put on headphones on an airplane.
Yeah.
ben jaffe
It's hard to navigate because there's so much shit and it's like, you know, it's historical at this point.
suzanne santo
Some of it's like really energizing though.
It's not like, it's like da-da-da-da.
Like that doesn't like make you fall asleep.
That's like, like, oh my God, like let's get up.
joe rogan
It's also...
suzanne santo
Conquer the day.
joe rogan
The other problem with it is like as a person who makes stuff, I always look at it as some crazy cover band.
Because it's not really Mozart.
Mozart's dead as fuck.
Even if they're nailing it.
Even if they're nailing what he was asking for.
It's not him doing it.
Half of the Star Spangled Banner is not the noise.
It's knowing that Jimi Hendrix did that at Woodstock in 1969. That's half of what it is.
It's like the sound that I hear from a Sturgill Simpson song or a Honey Honey song or fucking Run DMC, anybody.
It's like that's their shit and it's coming out of them.
It's not a cover band.
It's their words with their enunciations.
Boom, bitch.
I mean, that's what it is.
I mean, that's what I want.
I don't want to hear, like, somebody recreating.
I understand it.
I mean, I understand that it's compelling and amazing and artistic and so integral to the structure of music even today.
ben jaffe
But whatever.
joe rogan
I'm not interested.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben jaffe
Man, that's really interesting to hear.
You know what I mean?
Because I come from a total or just desire to always fucking hear that shit.
You know, listening to music in a way to be like, I don't know how to describe it, I guess, but in a way that's A different glance at what you're talking about.
You know, the idea of like, you want to hear somebody express themselves.
joe rogan
I want to hear the person, but I want to hear like, when you're playing guitar, I know that's Ben scratching those wires.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's you doing that.
You know what I'm saying?
I hear you.
You know, like, you come through that.
And there's nothing wrong with the...
They didn't have the ability to transmit this information any other way than write it down in notes and sell these books.
I mean, it gets 100 years, 200 years, 300 years.
It's the only way to do it.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They didn't have any other way.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But we have a better way now.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
No, you're right.
And it's funny.
There's a certain...
Maybe it's not indulgence.
Maybe it is.
But I was thinking about it while you said that.
It's like, well, I just like listening to those sounds.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ben jaffe
You know what I mean?
Whether the Mozart's making...
I just like that sound, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, definitely.
ben jaffe
And that's cool.
But it's also something that you do in your free time.
You have time to sit down and say, I'm going to appreciate some sounds.
As opposed to what you're talking about.
It's like, I'm going to hear a person.
joe rogan
You're right.
You're right.
You know, in that sense, I'm wrong, because it's really two completely different things.
It's like one of them is a beautiful orchestration of sounds, and the other one is a person's, like, expression coming through, especially with the addition of language, the addition of songs, and songwriting, and the words.
Like, it's really almost...
It's like the difference between...
It's almost like completely different artistic endeavors.
suzanne santo
Well, it almost feels like those, like, Mozart sounds are, like, genetically passed down or something.
Like, they've been around for so long that, like, they become this, like, you feel them in your body when you hear it.
It's like you hear, you feel this, like, physical reaction to them in this way.
And as you do song-written vocal expressions, but those are, they're so old that there's something really interesting that happens from this traditional reaction to it, you know?
joe rogan
You know what I think would be the shit?
suzanne santo
No, what?
joe rogan
Crash from the float lab in Venice has developed some crazy underwater speaker system that's waterproof.
Oh yeah, he's such a wizard.
This fucking dude created that and he also has been working like forever on this idea of a screen that emits the lowest amount of light possible so that it can be suspended from you.
In front of your face, when you're in the tank, and you can see these images, almost like they're floating in the air.
You can't see a television.
You only see the images.
Whoa.
In this sensory-deprived situation.
But he's got these speakers that he has figured out how to submerge in the water next to your head.
ben jaffe
That's incredible.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And it gives you this stereo sound in the water where it vibrates off of your body.
You feel it.
You feel it on your arms and your legs.
You feel it.
ben jaffe
Yeah, I mean that's what and that's what it all is which is such a crazy, it's just one.
suzanne santo
I thought Jamie was playing the sounds, I was like I want to hear them!
joe rogan
I've never done it.
I haven't done this new system he's got.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he's always trying to innovate, but in that way, he said that you feel the music.
You feel it through the water.
suzanne santo
Oh my God, yeah.
joe rogan
Which is fascinating.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
That music, if it's done through one of those things, like this is just one step.
This guy's got a couple of speakers.
What if they insert them through the entire base of an isolation tank and then program music Like they do those South American Icaros with the shamans when they do the ayahuasca ceremonies.
suzanne santo
Yeah, it's like sound therapy.
joe rogan
What if they figured out a way to get you into some fucking crazy trance?
Like we were talking about how houses have certain frequencies and they make you go nuts.
You know, maybe there's like a certain...
ben jaffe
Dude, like some...
Jimi Hendrix did that.
He talks about it sometimes, too.
He's like, you get five minutes, six minutes into some of this music he's making, and people kind of fall into a different state.
You know, there's a different place.
I guess what I'm saying is, like, people are looking for it, and a lot of musicians, that's what it's based on.
You know, it's like, how can I make this shit shake to kind of cast a spell without, you know, maybe that's not the best way to put it, but it's like, I'm trying to affect you with...
suzanne santo
I don't think you can do it intentionally almost.
I think it's like you go to a different place.
If you're really trying to do something like that, it's like a weird...
Maybe I sound crazy.
ben jaffe
I think we try to do it all the time.
Maybe you don't think about it that way.
But what you're doing is trying to connect with people and express yourself when you're doing it vibrationally.
unidentified
Fucking hippie talk, ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
It's hippie talk I agree with.
That's the problem with hippie talk.
It comes from the mouth of hippies, occasionally.
God damn it.
You're discrediting all these interesting ideas.
You guys want to play some music?
suzanne santo
Sure.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
What do you want to play?
suzanne santo
You want to play bad people?
ben jaffe
Sure.
joe rogan
Tell me the punk kid story because I'm frustrated.
suzanne santo
What are you frustrated about?
joe rogan
Because I love that song.
suzanne santo
That song has not died.
We...
You want to hear a song first?
joe rogan
Yes.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Whatever you want to do.
suzanne santo
Let's play Bad People.
I'm going to take these off, I think.
Is that okay, Jamie?
I'll just sing.
ben jaffe
We just want to put it on our next record.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
Good move.
The legend will grow.
suzanne santo
There was some record company incongruencies that we weren't able to do the things we wanted with it.
We protected it by saying, wait!
joe rogan
Good move.
It's a good song.
It's a weird song, too.
It's a song that's got a lot of layers to it.
Thanks, man.
A lot going on in that song.
A lot of weird shit.
suzanne santo
Are we good to go?
Can we just do it?
ben jaffe
Yeah, yeah, whenever.
I'm recording.
unidentified
I ain't the gatekeeper.
suzanne santo
I ain't the judge.
I ain't the one.
Didn't love you enough.
I'm just sitting in my own front yard.
Wishing the rain didn't fall so hard.
You got twisted.
You got stuck.
You're listed in your own bad luck.
Tried your best to be the worst.
You must like to hear that you're cursed and don't think it won't come back to you.
unidentified
Bad people don't come from nothing at all.
Bad people don't come from nothing at all.
Crashing and banging and burning up all bad people don't come from nothing at all.
Oh, oh, oh.
suzanne santo
Jimmy was a broken boy.
Single mile out of Illinois.
Bread like a pit bull looking for a fight.
Cracked on his nose, he was bloody all his life.
All loneliness like an epidemic.
unidentified
Now he cashed a check and he won't regret it.
suzanne santo
Ain't no lovers left or friends.
Self-define is a dead end and I don't think he ain't a part of you
unidentified
Bad people don't come from nothing at all Bad people don't come from nothing at all Crash and a bang and a burn and a fall Bad people don't come from nothing at all Oh baby,
suzanne santo
tell me what you need Come on and lay on me I don't care what you mean We all got some darkness up our sleeves Yeah, we all got some darkness up our sleeves Some pull us down and some pull us through.
Maybe it's a toss up how you do.
Maybe someone decides for you.
Maybe you don't even get to choose.
And I, I don't know.
unidentified
Bad people don't come from nothing at all Don't come from nothing at all Don't come from nothing at all How dare both
joe rogan
of you.
How dare both of you for being so awesome.
God damn, that was good.
You know what's really cool?
People that are listening to this only, you don't know that Suzanne adjusted Ben's glasses in the middle of the song.
Ben's glasses started to slip and Suzanne like a mama bear came over and set you straight.
suzanne santo
It happens a lot.
joe rogan
But in the middle of, like, singing without missing a beat, it was beautiful.
You were, like, looking for the moment to reach towards his face.
Hello, I'm coming in, I'm coming in, wash my hands, here it goes.
unidentified
Fixing your glasses.
suzanne santo
And he started to slide down his nose.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's nothing he can do about it.
suzanne santo
He can't break those.
joe rogan
Don't be scared of one of them rubber band things.
ben jaffe
Man, I'm looking for them.
joe rogan
You need like a strap.
ben jaffe
Yeah, dude, the croaky.
joe rogan
Just something like we snap down like ski goggles.
One day they're just going to have a shot.
Just going to shoot something in your eyeballs.
suzanne santo
No, he doesn't want that.
ben jaffe
My dad gets that.
suzanne santo
He's terrified.
ben jaffe
He's got macular degeneration, so he gets injections in his eyeball.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
ben jaffe
Good Lord.
I think about that sometimes.
If you could either go blind or get hypodermic needles Shot into your eyes every month.
Would you do it?
joe rogan
I'll take the month.
Every month.
ben jaffe
Every month?
unidentified
Okay.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cause I'm not a pussy and I like looking at shit.
unidentified
Dang.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
unidentified
Okay.
suzanne santo
God, you're so tough.
ben jaffe
That's amazing.
unidentified
Hardcore.
Wait, Joe doesn't say that he's hardcore, remember?
joe rogan
Can't say it.
suzanne santo
He's medium core.
unidentified
Can't say it or no, but don't know you're a poser.
joe rogan
I'm hardcore, bro.
I was a part of the hardcore, hardcore scene.
There was hardcore guys.
There was a bunch of guys who didn't believe that the guys who were calling...
suzanne santo
Did you wear a lot of leather?
joe rogan
I didn't.
I wore a suede.
I wore this kind of suede that I should have wore if I was on a stagecoach in the 1700s with little tassels.
I wore moccasins only.
I wanted a tip throw to the woods.
Making shit up.
ben jaffe
Moccasins seem cool.
I wish I wore them more.
joe rogan
It's interesting how all you have to do is wear a dead animal skin in a dark color and you're a rebel.
You know, like the black leather jacket in the 1950s, especially with the little silver buttons.
suzanne santo
Oh, what a statement.
Well, that's what I love about fashion.
I think there's some really interesting, like, things in there.
Like, people have these, like, connections to certain elements of, like, what you put on your body.
I think it's fascinating.
joe rogan
That's why you need, all you people out there need to respect Rob Halford, okay?
suzanne santo
Who's that?
joe rogan
Rob Halford.
Dude, Judas Priest?
suzanne santo
How dare you?
unidentified
I've lived a sheltered life.
joe rogan
I mean, that guy was probably one of the first openly gay singers of a fucking band like that.
unidentified
Like a metal band.
suzanne santo
It's pretty fucking awesome.
joe rogan
And he got everybody to dress like him.
That's great.
ben jaffe
Leather daddies everywhere.
unidentified
Leather daddies.
joe rogan
You guys thought you were metal.
Well, you really were.
unidentified
It's the same thing again.
joe rogan
You were kind of gay.
unidentified
You didn't even know.
joe rogan
He got you.
unidentified
He got you.
joe rogan
He sucked you into his web.
ben jaffe
Brilliant.
joe rogan
That's how badass he was.
I had him on one of the...
I did this show once for ES... or not ESPN... VH1. And he was one of the guests on the show.
I got to hang out with that guy for like an hour.
suzanne santo
That's awesome.
ben jaffe
Was it cool?
joe rogan
So cool.
But it was so weird.
It was like, God damn, I'm sitting here talking to rock and roll royalty.
suzanne santo
That's amazing.
joe rogan
You know?
When I was in high school, I had this friend that was obsessed with Judas Priest.
unidentified
You think I'll let him sit around and pick away my brain.
Out there is a fortune waiting to be had.
joe rogan
This fucking kid, man.
His life sucked.
His life sucked.
His dad sucked.
His situation sucked.
You got another thing coming.
That fucking song, you got another thing coming, fueled that dude through high school.
I swear to God, it's awesome.
That's the crazy thing about what you guys do.
Like, music can be heard.
It's like fuel.
There's something to it.
Like, didn't Hunter Thompson had a...
He had an amazing quote about that he thinks of music as inspiration.
Or is it fuel?
I think he said fuel.
And he said that when you listen to it, you swear that you can get...
I'm shittily paraphrasing what he said, but it was like, you could...
You feel like you could drive further on an empty tank of gas that you can just keep going.
Like it'll allow you to go like 20% longer or something like that.
I forget what his actual quote was.
But it's true.
Like there's something happens when a song, you've got another thing coming.
unidentified
Like you feel stronger.
Right?
suzanne santo
If you were at the gym, Some songs also bring you back to this place that always bring you back there.
They'll bring you back to this childhood of nobody can fucking touch that.
Like this summer, every time I listen to fucking this song, you know, it brings me back to this time where I'm like, it almost makes you giddy, Hunter S. Thompson.
joe rogan
Here's the quote.
Music has always been a matter of energy to me, a question of fuel.
Sentimental people call it inspiration, but what it really means is fuel.
I have always needed fuel.
I am a serious consumer.
On some nights, I still believe that a car with the gas needle on empty can run about 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio.
Beautiful.
Boy, did I butcher that.
I haven't read that in forever.
suzanne santo
No, that was fucking great.
You did great, Joe.
joe rogan
You did a great shitty paraphrase job.
suzanne santo
AC Doocy?
ben jaffe
AC Doocy.
joe rogan
For me, it was Suicidal Tendencies.
You Can't Bring Me Down.
This is the greatest weightlifting song at all.
I swear to God, I'm 10% stronger.
You can't.
ben jaffe
You can't bring me down!
joe rogan
You ever heard of Suicidal Tendencies?
suzanne santo
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, right?
suzanne santo
I used to work at a bar in Venice and they would come in and play sometimes.
joe rogan
Of course.
That you can't bring me down, anybody who listens to that, you can lift more weights.
You become stronger.
ben jaffe
There it is.
joe rogan
You become stronger.
You can run, you can be angry.
ben jaffe
Sorry, sorry to interrupt.
But that gave me a question in my mind.
I just learned about estrogen blockers.
Okay?
How do you feel about it?
joe rogan
Someone.
An estrogen blocker.
I feel the same way that I have with roach motels.
If you need them, you should get them.
ben jaffe
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Point taken.
ben jaffe
Somebody just blew my mind the other week.
He was like...
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, if you have a headache, you should get aspirin.
That's what I'm saying.
What's going on, man?
ben jaffe
I was talking to somebody about building muscle.
And he was like, dude, you should...
joe rogan
The real problem with those things is what they're really good for is if someone is coming off of a steroid.
Because when you take a steroid, your endocrine system suffers.
It stops producing testosterone.
And these things, they're called Clomid is one of them.
And there's a couple other different companies that make a similar product.
And it increases your body's ability to produce testosterone.
It has this, like, affection, blocking the estrogen.
You produce more testosterone.
Your body tries to seek some sort of a balance.
You sort of trick it.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think we know so little about what does and doesn't, like, work for you.
There's a lot of experimentation going on.
Like, well, maybe he needs a this, or maybe he needs a that.
How old is he?
Hmm, what's his background?
ben jaffe
But you can get this stuff over the counter, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's like...
What have you done before you decide to do that?
If anybody ever wants to do something, if they ever want to go, hey man, I'm thinking about getting into a hardcore workout program, how many days in a row have you worked out?
Be honest.
ben jaffe
Me?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is what I said.
ben jaffe
This dude.
joe rogan
And they're like, two.
I'm like, dude, you fuck.
You fucker.
Listen, if you want to start running marathons, you've got to run every day, bitch.
I can't just keep talking to you.
You're talking nonsense, right?
And if you're saying, well, I'm thinking about taking estrogen blockers.
How many days do you lift weights?
How often?
How sore are you?
ben jaffe
A little bit sore.
joe rogan
But I don't even do it.
That's the thing.
But if you want to do it, the first thing you do before you think about estrogen blockers is just be consistent.
It's the most important thing.
It's more important than anything.
It's more important even than the amount of weight that you lift.
It's the frequency in which you engage in the act of going to the gym and exerting yourself.
If you can consistently do it...
suzanne santo
Can you guys work out together?
ben jaffe
No.
joe rogan
Not anytime.
We talked to this earlier.
Not anytime.
But...
ben jaffe
Not time to do it.
joe rogan
But this applies to everybody.
unidentified
This applies to everybody.
ben jaffe
Is it available to everybody?
You could just take this shit and fucking...
joe rogan
No, no.
You need a prescription.
You do need a prescription.
Yes.
Unless it doesn't work.
ben jaffe
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
I mean, unless it's fake.
There's some fake ones that people make.
suzanne santo
Forgive me, forgive my ignorance, but is this anything that, like, transgender people would take to...
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
suzanne santo
This is a different...
joe rogan
It's really to try to stimulate growth of...
or stimulate the reproduction of testosterone by, like, trying to fuck with the balance.
Like, by suppressing estrogen, you sort of try to...
your body elevates testosterone.
There's, like, some wrestling match going on.
suzanne santo
So why wouldn't a transgender person take that?
joe rogan
Because they need hardcore chemicals.
suzanne santo
Oh, they need more than that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they need bio-identical hormones that are in whatever gender they identify with, they decide to transition into, which is one of the...
I mean, objectively, non-judgmentally, but objectively, it's one of the oddest things about the whole idea.
suzanne santo
Sounds so intense.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that, like, this is who you are.
It's like, this is who you're also putting hormones in your body to become.
suzanne santo
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what it seems like...
You feel like you should be.
So there's many layers in a totally non-judgmental sense.
No one's telling you to not do it at all.
But there's a lot going on there.
It's not just identifying with something.
It's choosing to transition into something.
There's a lot.
There's some serious complexity to all this.
And in a non-judgmental way, it's very fascinating.
It's very fascinating that we're becoming more and more comfortable with it.
Because ultimately, isn't it really...
When it's all over, ultimately, who gives a fuck?
Like, jokes aside, laughing aside, serious hot debates, who cares if you want to be a man, if you want to be a woman, if you want to be both, you want to switch back and forth.
There was a guy on one of the NPR, he was on a radio lab, a guy who switches back and forth.
He's like, sometimes he's a woman, I'm a man now.
He decides, I'm a man now.
ben jaffe
You don't mean like hormonally?
joe rogan
No, no, in his head, the way he identifies.
He has like two different people in his head.
One of them is a man, and then he becomes a woman.
And in the middle of things he goes, I just switched.
I just flipped.
He's talking to these people like, I'm a man now.
And we're like, what?
You can just do that?
Isn't it possible he's crazy?
Isn't it possible he's making shit up?
Do we have electrodes?
And sometimes he's like, what is he thinking about?
Dicks.
It's all dicks.
Sometimes it's vaginas.
ben jaffe
Got some vaginas now.
suzanne santo
Well I mean there's definitely like an emotional mental screening process for people that want to go like full throttle with the like dick to V, D to V, V to D, switch it up.
joe rogan
Unfortunately it's pretty dedicated.
It's surgery and I think there's gonna come a really interesting time Where they're able to manipulate what you are in a way that's not as primitive as cutting and stitching things back up together, but maybe like somehow or another altering what you actually are, like changing the signal that your cells have and what shape you want it to form.
I mean, I don't think that's outside of the possibilities in our lifetime.
ben jaffe
What about transmitting consciousness to a different body?
Because people do talk about that.
joe rogan
Well, we're also recognizing that you need it while you're using it, but it's not all of you.
And that the idea of who you are when you're not even connected to your body, that might be the real you.
And what this body thing is, you have this biological thing that you're attached to.
That sort of evolved with you.
ben jaffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And in just the same way you have all this weird bacteria on your skin and weird flora in your intestines, that might be exactly what life and the body is.
And that consciousness and the body, they're kind of the same thing but not really the same way like...
The things that are growing in your body, all the millions and billions and trillions of microbes and life forms that live in every one of us, we don't want to think that they're not even important.
Without them, you're fucked.
Just because you can talk doesn't mean they're not in on the whole thing.
You're a giant collection of living, you know?
suzanne santo
It's incredible.
joe rogan
Fuck, we're crazy.
We're so odd.
unidentified
It's true.
ben jaffe
It makes me think of the planet thing.
You know, all of a sudden, all these gases, all this shit, just boom, smacks together, and then it's a thing.
Or it was a thing before.
Now it's...
the form changes, but, like, the fuck is it?
Why is the center burning up?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm too dumb for that.
ben jaffe
Me too.
joe rogan
I don't like things that I'm too dumb for.
I like water on Mars.
Like, hmm, wet water?
Ice?
What is it?
I can get those concepts.
I understand.
I've seen water melt.
I've seen it get cold.
I've seen icicles.
I've got water on Mars.
suzanne santo
You've seen an icicle?
joe rogan
Could you imagine if they really did find a life form on Mars?
suzanne santo
Haven't they, though?
Haven't they found bacterias and microscopic things?
joe rogan
I think they've found evidence of biology.
suzanne santo
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
In my very rudimentary way of understanding what those guys are talking about, I think they find like there's certain signature patterns that they can find that might indicate some sort of biological life at some point in time.
But I don't think they found a smoking gun.
I don't think they found like a fossil or...
Am I right, Jamie?
Does that make sense?
suzanne santo
And there's the potential that there's like forms of life that we cannot identify as humans.
Sure.
That aren't like these, you know, physical elements, but that it's like almost something you just can't see, smell, taste, or touch, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it might be, and this is going to be the craziest thing to say, it might be that everything's alive.
It might be that everything that you encounter reacts in some sort of a weird way, but we are so rigid in our idea of what's alive, what's not alive, or what's conscious and not conscious, what retains energy and what doesn't, that we don't think about it.
We don't think about, like, objects and how...
suzanne santo
Well, you know, the psychics talk about, like, multidimensional planes and stuff, and I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know where you stand on this stuff, but I... I think they're mostly bullshit artists.
suzanne santo
There's a lot of bullshit stuff, but there's also stuff that I've seen that I can't explain.
And I'm like, what the fuck is that?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean.
suzanne santo
I feel too timid to talk about it right now.
joe rogan
Well, it's like we were talking about the ghost hunting shows earlier.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
And I said, I don't not believe in...
Like that guy, what's his name?
Zach Baggins.
He seems like a nice guy.
I've watched his show before.
It's entertaining.
He goes looking for ghosts.
suzanne santo
Well, can I tell you some ghost stories?
Here's a ghost story.
joe rogan
Okay.
suzanne santo
So my dad, running this restaurant with my uncle since he was 17...
joe rogan
Kills a man with an axe.
suzanne santo
Not lately, but...
joe rogan
Because he didn't pay for a pie.
unidentified
You said sauce on the side!
suzanne santo
But my dad was telling me this story that it wasn't that long ago that this family that's been coming into the restaurant for years and years and years, Came in and he saw everybody.
He saw, you know, mom, dad, kids, beautiful grandmother shining in the back.
And he said, hey guys, party at five?
And they said, nope, just four.
And he told, like, this, you know, this is my dad.
Like, my dad's not going to fucking make shit up.
And he said he felt this incredible, like, the grandmother was standing behind the family.
Like, just, like, looking so happy.
And he was like...
Okay, four?
And then he said he looked away and she was gone and he sat the family down and he was really freaked out and he was kind of like doing other stuff and he came back and he said, hey, how's your mom doing?
And they said, oh, was she passed a couple months ago?
And he had this moment where he was like, I felt like I should tell them and he did and he said, I feel really uncomfortable, but I really feel like I need you to know that when you came into the restaurant, I saw your mother standing behind you guys.
And they didn't freak out.
And they just said, we really feel like she's still with us.
And that's not the first time my dad's had a weird ghost story at the restaurant.
He's had a few other experiences.
And when he talked about it, he was kind of like, yeah, I fucking saw her.
Like, I saw her.
joe rogan
So your dad saw the old lady behind them?
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
And how old was your dad at the time?
suzanne santo
This was like last year, a couple years ago.
It wasn't that long ago.
joe rogan
Wow.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, if you can have people, if the idea that ghosts are ridiculous, why is it any more ridiculous than an echo?
You ever get under a bridge and yell, Hello!
suzanne santo
Hello!
unidentified
Hello!
joe rogan
Why is that weirder than ghosts?
It's not, right?
Ghosts could be just as likely.
It could be like your actual life form, whatever it was when you went.
suzanne santo
Sure.
joe rogan
I mean, it might echo.
suzanne santo
I think we underestimate how powerful our energy is.
I mean, people can leave a real impression that people can stay with you.
Literally.
Have you ever had somebody who just fucking kicked your ass energetically and you left a place and you're like, God, I just feel like they're still with me.
That stuff is not to be taken lightly.
And it can be the absolute opposite end of the spectrum of joy and love and kindness.
And you can get energy in these places.
And I think some people can have an innate ability to interpret it in a different way, where they maybe actually see it or they hear it or whatever.
Because I believe my dad.
I love my dad.
I believe him.
joe rogan
It's totally possible that someone can actually see an aura, but if you can't take a photo of it, I just have to bank on the fact you're not out of your fucking mind.
suzanne santo
Well, you talk to my dad and you ask him, I don't know.
joe rogan
Ben glows green.
suzanne santo
He glows green.
joe rogan
All around him is green.
Green is light.
I see him.
I see him.
I see his aura.
There are people who tell you things like that.
unidentified
Your aura!
suzanne santo
It's purple!
joe rogan
You don't?
What is that from?
suzanne santo
It's from Almost Famous.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That was a fun movie, right?
suzanne santo
So fun.
joe rogan
Is that like the cautionary tale for the young rock star?
ben jaffe
That's probably the tempting tale, right?
joe rogan
That's the best stuff.
suzanne santo
I am music!
Oh my God, thank God!
I don't know if we'll ever get there, but maybe.
joe rogan
You don't want to get there.
You want to get, like, in the neighborhood.
You want to get, like, adjacent.
Beverly Hills adjacent.
suzanne santo
It's 7.45.
What time did we start this podcast?
joe rogan
Earlier than 7.45.
unidentified
It's been a while.
joe rogan
You guys want to play another song?
suzanne santo
We should, but I also want to play our Sweet Thing video.
I feel like we should play that.
It's fucking awesome.
joe rogan
Okay, let's play it.
suzanne santo
It's on our...
unidentified
It's Jamie Vernon, ladies and gentlemen.
We did this video, guys.
suzanne santo
We did this.
unidentified
I quit.
suzanne santo
I quit.
You guys are awesome.
joe rogan
What is this?
suzanne santo
We did this with our friend Dave Gruber Allen.
joe rogan
Well, we have to be careful.
We don't want you to flag us off of YouTube with this.
suzanne santo
Will you get in trouble?
joe rogan
You guys might have some really overly enthusiastic record company.
Do you have a good record company, or is your record company very litigious?
suzanne santo
No, they're great.
joe rogan
By the book?
ben jaffe
They have not litiged yet.
joe rogan
Ben Jaffe, come into the office, please.
unidentified
Did you or did you not give them permission to say?
joe rogan
And play Sweet Thing on their podcast.
unidentified
Oh, we're loud.
We're loud.
joe rogan
Who's has?
suzanne santo
We do.
joe rogan
I would like you guys to say it into the microphone.
ben jaffe
Ben Jackson is the incentive for forming the entity.
joe rogan
Honey, honey.
unidentified
Yeah, all right.
ben jaffe
Oh, there he is.
joe rogan
Look at that sexy bitch.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
suzanne santo
Dave's the man.
ben jaffe
A little solar work.
unidentified
If I see a sweet thing, I want to eat it.
suzanne santo
I got pleasure on my mind.
All I want to do is feed it.
I hear blood.
unidentified
Pumping through my temples like a flood.
joe rogan
Oh, if you're not watching this, there's an old dude dancing.
He's got white hair, a long beard and long hair, and he's signing everything that Suzanne sings in a sexy, gyrating way.
Look at him.
unidentified
I can't wait until this part.
I can't sleep with a pretty little voice screaming me, me, me.
But I'll change it like I say today till it makes me say I'm too late.
I'll change it like I say today Give me some relief if you're lying through your teeth.
Don't even matter to me.
suzanne santo
I'm living like a thief.
unidentified
I can't sleep with those greedy little voices screaming me, me, me.
I treat you like a sweet thing till it makes me sick, till I'm through the rain.
I treat you like a sweet thing and I make it dead, till I'm through the rain.
I feel like I woke up in the middle of a fist fight.
I got some sense it doesn't mean I was that bad.
I treat you like a sweet thing till it makes me sick, till I'm through the rain.
I treat you like a sweet thing and I make it dead, till I'm through the rain.
I treat you like a sweet thing and I make it dead, till I'm through the rain.
I treat you like a sweet thing till it makes me sick, till I'm through the rain.
That is awesome That's a fun video.
joe rogan
What is it about videos where when you watch some shit that makes it look really old it becomes better?
Like all the, like, the little scratchy things that made it seem like it was like an old movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why has it become better?
What is that?
What is that call to nostalgia?
suzanne santo
Put you in a mood.
unidentified
Put you in, you know, it's like, oh, this is familiar.
joe rogan
Who's the old dude that was dancing?
He was awesome.
suzanne santo
Gruber.
joe rogan
Who's Gruber?
suzanne santo
Dave Gruber Allen, he's famous for a few things.
He was on a show called Freaks and Geeks, Judd Apatow's show.
He played the guidance counselor.
So there's like this weird cult following, but he was also the naked trucker on Comedy Central.
And he's done a lot of really great work, but he's also been a really great friend of ours over the years.
unidentified
He's a great dude.
ben jaffe
When I first moved to LA, I moved into a house and he was my housemate.
Crazy intro to the city.
I was 18. I moved in.
He was much older.
I got to see all this great comedy.
I'd never gone to a comedy club when I was a kid.
They didn't have that where I grew up.
I was going to this club in LA and seeing all these dudes like him and Patton Oswalt was doing his thing.
suzanne santo
At Largo.
ben jaffe
He would go to Largo.
Guys, it was just great.
He's a nut.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a very unusual video.
suzanne santo
A little more on the house that Ben lived in and now lives in again is kind of like this artist compound.
Jim Turner owns a house, our really good friend, and he was our Angel of Death in our Angel of Death video.
But he was also Randy of the Redwoods on MTV. It's just fun to do shit with your friends.
ben jaffe
That's what we keep doing over and over.
We just want to do it with our friends.
joe rogan
It makes everything more fun.
It changes what the thing is.
The thing goes from being a laborer to a party.
suzanne santo
Jim and Gruber are our family to us, so when we get to make fucking silly videos with them, whether people like it or not, we love it.
It's so fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's one of the coolest things that you can, when you do things like that today, you could just, you could distribute them in a way that you never would be able to just a decade ago, two decades ago, three decades ago.
You know, you guys were, people in the music business especially, were so dependent upon like traveling and getting a reputation, you know, and word of mouth.
Some bands became gigantic just through word of mouth.
That was a big thing back when we were kids.
It was like underground music.
If you knew about the creeps, do you know about the creeps?
People knew about it.
You had to know.
You had to know someone.
If you wanted to hear about some cool shit, stop at the Run DMC. Do you know who Cool G Rap is?
Do you know who Cool G Rap is?
You need to know.
I need to get you a fucking demo tape.
There was some dudes that were these underground dudes, and knowing who they were was crucially important.
Especially folks in Jamie's generation, right?
Crucially important.
He'll say with...
He'll inform me of the new hot players in the rap genre.
And I'll have to go, okay, so this is the guy now?
Okay, and what's his deal?
suzanne santo
Yeah, Jamie, fill us in later, would you?
joe rogan
He knows.
suzanne santo
Okay, awesome.
joe rogan
Jamie's on the ball.
ben jaffe
Doing it.
suzanne santo
Oh, man.
joe rogan
This has been educational, informational.
suzanne santo
It's been really fun.
joe rogan
Inspirational.
Poem.
The end.
That was my poem.
I thought I snuck it in.
You know, I know if I said, can I read my poem?
You'd be like, oh, Christ.
You'd have to see it.
Inside joke from podcast number one.
suzanne santo
Hey Joe, can we tell the people that we're on tour right now?
joe rogan
Oh fuck yes you can.
suzanne santo
Yeah, we're on tour right now guys.
We're gonna be going through Texas and we're playing, Ben help me out here, New Orleans.
We're in Tennessee.
ben jaffe
Nashville.
suzanne santo
In Nashville.
ben jaffe
Southwest, next couple days we'll be in Santa Fe.
joe rogan
Powerful Santa Fe.
suzanne santo
We're at HoneyHoneyBand.com if you want to fucking get in on this.
We're gonna be playing a whole bunch until about mid-November.
joe rogan
What is the Twitter?
suzanne santo
Twitter is HoneyHoneyBand.
joe rogan
HoneyHoneyBand.
suzanne santo
Everything's HoneyHoneyBand.
joe rogan
Instagram, HoneyHoneyBand.
ben jaffe
That's what we are.
suzanne santo
There's a lot of stuff going on.
We'd love to see you guys out there in the world.
joe rogan
They want to see you too.
suzanne santo
Fun.
joe rogan
Maybe a little bit too much.
suzanne santo
Yeah, we get physical.
ben jaffe
In the good and the bad way.
suzanne santo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look out.
ben jaffe
A lot of flailing.
suzanne santo
We both got accosted by this woman in Long Beach recently, and it was amazing.
All of a sudden I was like, she was kissing my neck, and I was like, okay!
Hold on a second.
You need to buy me things first.
joe rogan
How bad did her breath smell?
suzanne santo
No, she was really beautiful, but I was also, she was just so aggressive, and I felt like a fucking piece of meat, and I was like, let's not.
Let's just calm down.
You know, I want to be, like, treated nicely.
ben jaffe
That's right.
suzanne santo
Have you been licked?
joe rogan
No.
I got a good Heisman.
I have a very strong Heisman.
unidentified
Heisman.
joe rogan
Assume the Heisman.
Can't let them get close enough to turn you into a zombie.
If you were on The Walking Dead and they were like that, you're like, no, no, no, no, bitch.
If you're in the middle of the football field with a zombie, okay?
You're not gonna get me, okay?
You're not.
I'm faster than that.
suzanne santo
They're slow.
And you just shoot right for the head.
I know you do.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if I have a gun, but I'm saying like if it was just me and the zombie, like, um, this isn't 28 days later.
28 days later is fucking terrifying.
unidentified
They're too fast.
joe rogan
They get you.
suzanne santo
You gotta go with the slow movers.
joe rogan
Walking dead, I'll fuck those dudes up.
I'll practice on those dudes.
ben jaffe
World War Z, they were moving fast, too.
suzanne santo
Yeah, but in the books, in the audio tapes, which we listened to on tour, they were slow.
When I saw the movie, scared the fuck out of me.
joe rogan
I will head kick the fuck out of a zombie.
I'll tell you right now.
Walking Dead-style zombies.
I'll warm up with some soft work to the body.
Keep moving.
And then once I feel like this dummy is going to just walk right into a wheel kick, I'm going to try to take a zombie's head off.
Try to kick a zombie right in the dome.
suzanne santo
I wonder sometimes when people, like Halloween time, when people like to fuck with each other and someone who's like, I'm going to dress up like a zombie and scare people.
But if they take it to an extreme, if someone would actually go crazy on them.
Because the fear of zombies is so great.
joe rogan
People have definitely been killed by that in the South.
suzanne santo
Really?
By being a fake zombie?
A zombie impersonator?
joe rogan
100%!
suzanne santo
Guys, don't do it.
That's really dumb.
joe rogan
I was in Montana right around the time.
It was like between like maybe six months before or six months after I was in Montana that this happened.
Some dude put on one of those suits.
What are those suits called?
Ghillie suits?
Is that what it's called?
Ghillie suit?
He put on like a camouflage suit.
It's like this crazy camouflage suit where dudes wear in the military to hide into or sometimes people use it for extreme hunting situations.
You like pretend to be one of the bushes and then you jump out and get people.
This guy did it and pretended to be Bigfoot.
So he put this ghillie suit on and stood by a bush.
And then when people were on the highway, he stepped out into the highway.
And you know what happened?
This fucking teenage girl accelerated into him and killed Bigfoot.
She sent Bigfoot flying and then here's where it gets even crazier.
Another teenage driver going the opposite direction then ran over him again.
suzanne santo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
He got double Are you serious?
suzanne santo
This is a real story.
joe rogan
I'm fucking telling you the truth.
suzanne santo
This is a real story.
joe rogan
It's a real story.
A man in a ghillie suit.
Am I saying it right?
I apologize if I'm getting it wrong.
I thought it was a ghillie suit.
It looks like a bunch of leaves.
Like you're connected string and leaf.
You know what I'm talking about?
ben jaffe
I'm sure you have fucking Wahlberg in that movie.
joe rogan
That's what's up.
Prank's taking too far, guys.
suzanne santo
We gotta have safety with our prankery.
Okay?
joe rogan
But don't you think that that is the universe's way of eliminating idiots?
If you really stopped and thought about it, what type of a person goes, you know what I'm going to do?
suzanne santo
I'm going to spend my day fucking with people.
joe rogan
I'm going to wait until it gets dark.
I'm going to put on the camo.
I'm going to jump in the middle of the road.
This is going to be awesome.
suzanne santo
You've got to be a tiny bit crazy.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe.
suzanne santo
I think about that a lot with these haunted houses that people sign up to go in and have people fuck with you.
I want no part of it.
I don't want some stranger touching me with a fake chainsaw.
The physical reaction is terror.
ben jaffe
I don't want that.
You don't have to do it.
suzanne santo
And also, the people that are doing that I think have to be a little fucking askew in the brain.
There's something weird with...
unidentified
I'm sorry.
ben jaffe
It could be old-fashioned fun.
suzanne santo
Sure, sure.
ben jaffe
Just a little spookery.
suzanne santo
You're like, I pride myself on putting fake blood all over myself and just getting people to shit their pants.
ben jaffe
I mean, that's fine.
suzanne santo
We all do weird shit.
joe rogan
Well, if it's a job and it's like that or Night Fry Guy at Wendy's, What's a guy gonna do?
suzanne santo
I'd rather have Night Fry Guy at Wendy's.
joe rogan
You'd rather be that job?
suzanne santo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think I'd scare the fuck out of some kids.
suzanne santo
For an extra dollar an hour.
joe rogan
For an extra dollar an hour.
I'll give those little kids nightmares.
I'll do it violently.
suzanne santo
Jesus!
joe rogan
The devil is here amongst you.
unidentified
Go home to your family.
joe rogan
Remember this always.
Good night, everybody.
ben jaffe
Some light trauma.
joe rogan
Said the kid, what?
What the fuck just happened?
suzanne santo
I can't do it.
ben jaffe
I can't do it.
joe rogan
The devil is in you always!
unidentified
Oh my god, no.
joe rogan
Poor little eight-year-old.
unidentified
Please stop.
joe rogan
But that's how you get that $9 an hour.
You only get seven at fucking Wendy's.
That's bullshit.
ben jaffe
You gotta commit, though, dude.
That was good.
joe rogan
I want that extra deuce.
Kid's gonna suffer.
jamie vernon
They have an adult summer camp you can go sleep over and do that.
Like for two nights on a lake and all that.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the documentary Jesus Camp?
suzanne santo
Yeah.
Well, in bits and pieces, you've seen it, right?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's amazing.
It's like sort of the opposite of the devil camp.
suzanne santo
Is there a devil camp?
joe rogan
I'm sure there is.
unidentified
Let's go.
joe rogan
There should be.
Equal time and all that good stuff.
Maybe they got some points.
But it was a documentary on these people that were taking these kids and turning them into radical fundamentalists because their logic was we need Christian warriors because they're already developing Islamic warriors.
ben jaffe
Dude, people are tweeting about that.
This guy rallying a Christian army.
joe rogan
Whoa.
unidentified
Everybody settle the fuck down.
joe rogan
That's what you want to tell them.
Oh, Suzanne.
ben jaffe
So I'll just take a breath.
joe rogan
That's what's up, right?
ben jaffe
Take a breath.
joe rogan
Everybody's like, please.
Whenever you watch that shit that's going on in the Middle East, beheading this and that and fucking stoning this and that, you're like, keep it over there, please.
Keep it over there.
ben jaffe
Cut it out.
joe rogan
That's the one thing that people don't want to address in this world when there's parts of the world that are just really, really fucked up.
For some reason, as long as it's not right here.
unidentified
Years and years and years of being rectified.
joe rogan
I know.
We're so strange.
Just the human animal.
So strange.
suzanne santo
And we think we're having a bad day, you know?
joe rogan
Our bad days are a joke.
Oh my god, I'm having a hard time quitting Diet Coke.
suzanne santo
Are you really?
Oh, let's talk about that.
joe rogan
No, I'm not.
I'm just saying.
That's like someone freaking out.
This is bullshit.
My spin teacher is an asshole.
I'm fucking...
I don't want to hear Duran Duran anymore.
These are our problems.
suzanne santo
We're okay.
We're okay, guys.
ben jaffe
Lucky people.
Bunch of lucky people here.
joe rogan
I think people, when they're alive, are lucky.
If you think about the amount of people that have died, the fact that you're not one of them, you should be really fucking happy.
You're lucky as shit.
suzanne santo
I feel okay about it, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We're all lucky.
It's a perspective.
That perspective issue and the disenchantment with your own position in the perspective, that's what fueled the whole thing.
It's unavoidable in some way.
If I say like one more time, I'll smack my salad!
suzanne santo
Don't do that!
Not in front of us!
joe rogan
It's like...
It's like, man, like...
I hear myself saying it, and I was like, shut up, bitch!
You know what you sound like, bitch?
unidentified
Smack!
joe rogan
You're extra-liked.
ben jaffe
You can fall into those things.
joe rogan
No, we're all lucky as fuck.
And I think, you know, hopefully that trend will continue.
I mean, it would be really nice if the people next, after we're done, look back at us like the way we look at those covered wagon douchebags.
You know, we look at those covered wagon douchebags like, oh my god, you didn't even have medicine.
He had bark.
What'd you do if somebody broke their leg?
You broke their hand open with a rock.
And you might have went back to eat them.
suzanne santo
You'd bleed them out to make them better.
ben jaffe
Things are going well.
joe rogan
People did a lot of eating people back in those days.
suzanne santo
Yeah.
That might come back.
joe rogan
That's how you've got to judge civilization.
How much cannibalism per capita?
suzanne santo
We just drove through the Donner Pass, and I was thinking about that.
And I was like, Donner.
And I thought about that Robin Williams.
He's like, Donner.
Party of five.
Oh, party of four.
It's like...
joe rogan
They didn't even know where they were going.
suzanne santo
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Topographic map.
suzanne santo
This fucking crazy...
joe rogan
They could have just kept getting worse.
Why were they so cocky?
They didn't even know America was there.
They were in the wrong spot.
You think about the people that landed in the West Indies, that's where they landed, right?
The fact that they were so confident in not even knowing that North America existed, they were in totally the wrong spot.
Then they move across South America.
They get to these mountains.
They get to these insane, rocky mountains.
They get to these immense peaks.
Like, what's the highest, what is it, like 11,000 feet?
suzanne santo
It's huge.
ben jaffe
It's up there.
joe rogan
And they just go, okay, let's go there.
Let's keep going.
No, we'll figure it out.
suzanne santo
Can you imagine the amount of animals to people ratio at that point?
joe rogan
It's not even cold up there, dude.
Just keep going.
ben jaffe
Stop being a pussy!
joe rogan
Did they know for sure what was on the other end?
Like, what's the story?
ben jaffe
No, I mean, that's the whole Lewis and Clark thing.
They were looking for a passage.
They're like, this could be here.
We hope this is here.
joe rogan
But the Donner Party, was that the story?
Because the Donner Party, had people already gone through?
suzanne santo
There was a lot of families.
And I think it was like, I want to say like 50 people went through and like 20 people made it out.
And then the people that didn't make it were fuel for the rest of the journey.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
suzanne santo
I mean, please quote me incorrectly.
joe rogan
Correct you, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Jesus, how bad must it have been where they were that they wanted to take that chance?
suzanne santo
I don't know.
I feel like I'd just be like, oh, time to expire.
joe rogan
Do you think they thought there was gold?
Was it a gold rush thing?
ben jaffe
I don't know.
I think it was people really desperately looking for their, you know, like, this is our place.
We need to find our place.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, though.
ben jaffe
We'll do whatever we need to do.
joe rogan
Could you imagine being like the one person that was like just not that fucking gung-ho for this trip?
And you're hanging back and you're like, dude, I don't know.
suzanne santo
That would have been me.
ben jaffe
Younger brother.
joe rogan
You know, they're tying down the wagon.
Hey, give me your hand.
suzanne santo
No, I think you start with the ass and the legs.
I think that you start with the meat parts, you know, the hide.
I'd be like, let's stay in the meadow.
joe rogan
This meadow is where all the animals are and shit.
suzanne santo
This is dark.
Let's go back to the light.
ben jaffe
Yeah, that would suck.
joe rogan
Imagine if they had a deal.
I want you to eat me first.
They had a deal.
It's my idea.
I'm the one who told us to go over the mountain.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
So if it all goes back, I'll let you bash my head in with a rock and you can eat me.
suzanne santo
No, you have to die naturally first of like starvation.
Well, then you don't have a lot of meat.
I don't know.
This is tough.
joe rogan
This is really tough.
Ooh, that's some fucking alpha, only the strong survive type shit from Suzanne.
suzanne santo
Yeah, you just kind of like get a little bit of the meat off the bone.
joe rogan
Just say it right now, you're going to eat your grandma.
suzanne santo
Oh my God.
joe rogan
You're going to have to eat your grandma because she's going to die first.
suzanne santo
Fuck, why?
joe rogan
Right?
That's what I'm saying.
suzanne santo
Why did you say that to me?
joe rogan
Because that's what's going to happen.
suzanne santo
This is like some Grapes of Wrath shit.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Right?
Well, unless you decide this is sacrilege, you know?
suzanne santo
Speaking of which, I'm hungry.
ben jaffe
I'll take the blame.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
suzanne santo
Do you guys want to get some dinner?
joe rogan
Sure.
Absolutely.
Do you guys want to play any more songs?
unidentified
Sure.
suzanne santo
Do you want to hear anything?
joe rogan
Whatever you want.
Yeah.
What you going to do now?
suzanne santo
Yeah, we could do that.
We got a new version of it.
ben jaffe
Here it is, popping off.
joe rogan
A new version?
suzanne santo
Well, we'll just play it a little differently.
joe rogan
Oh my God, you guys are crazy.
ben jaffe
Violin solo going on this time.
unidentified
Oh God.
joe rogan
Let's drop in Wow guys We're taking this one Podcast number two Damn, what is that part of the violin called?
A bow?
suzanne santo
It's a bow, yeah.
joe rogan
I know these things.
suzanne santo
Also served as you can you can hunt animals with it.
You just kind of have to redirect it like you know, but it can also make sound with the violin.
unidentified
Just check our website for more details.
suzanne santo
I think I'm really out of tune then.
ben jaffe
I wish I could play the fiddle, Suze.
joe rogan
How many different things can you play?
ben jaffe
I can play the guitar, drums, I can play the piano a little bit, bass is really similar to guitar.
suzanne santo
$50 an hour?
joe rogan
That's a lot of things.
How much difference is, I mean, obviously besides the physical movement.
We'll talk later.
We'll talk later.
ben jaffe
You gotta play the drums, Joe.
I think you dig it.
joe rogan
Not interesting.
unidentified
Declines.
ben jaffe
I'm not going to force it on you.
joe rogan
He said I should play the drums.
suzanne santo
You should play the drums.
Ben is an excellent drummer.
He won, like, state competitions, this guy.
joe rogan
I only have a certain amount of resources dedicated towards hitting things.
suzanne santo
Look, you give us martial arts lessons, we'll give you music lessons.
ben jaffe
You didn't want us.
suzanne santo
Done deal, man.
joe rogan
I just want you guys to stay steady being awesome, and I'll enjoy what you're doing.
suzanne santo
Okay, I think I'm good.
Ben, how do you feel about your tonage?
ben jaffe
I feel pretty good, but I'm not really paying much attention.
suzanne santo
Okay.
joe rogan
Keep it grimy, bitches.
suzanne santo
Alright, we're gonna do this.
We're gonna do this.
I hope the people out there are okay.
This is a lengthy one.
joe rogan
They're going to be fine.
We're not committing anybody to any of this.
suzanne santo
That's good.
joe rogan
That's the beautiful thing about a podcast.
You do whatever you want to do.
If you don't want to listen to this anymore, go to Radiolab.
It's an awesome show.
If you ever heard about it, there's one called Dark Code that's out now.
I highly recommend it.
Oh, Bill Burr's Monday Morning Podcast.
unidentified
Another amazing one.
joe rogan
Love him.
Daniele Bolelli has a new podcast, History on Fire.
Go there.
suzanne santo
Go there.
joe rogan
They're everywhere.
Podcasts here and there.
Hi, honey.
unidentified
You feel good about that?
Okay.
suzanne santo
Ooh, baby, that fire's coming down Right into your walls, right out of your mouth And everything you love's just ash on the ground
Ooh, ooh, ooh so what you gonna do now?
So you run to the river, you run to the sea Sift through the rubble and search the debris But you won't find anything if you don't find peace Ooh, babe, so what you gonna do now?
unidentified
Don't wait until you die.
You can always change your mind and make it right.
So why are you still waiting outside?
Maybe your mama didn't treat you right.
Maybe you just didn't sleep last night.
suzanne santo
You know I don't give a damn why you want to fight.
Oh babe, so what you gonna do now?
unidentified
Don't wait until you die You can always change your mind and make it right.
gary clark-jr
So I stay waiting outside guitar
suzanne santo
solo guitar
solo guitar solo
gary clark-jr
of the losses you threw in We'll carry the weight if it breaks every limb And that's what we're gonna do now Don't wait until you die Cause you can always change your mind and make it right
unidentified
So why are you still waiting outside?
joe rogan
Still waiting outside Still waiting outside Oh my god, that's so good.
ben jaffe
Joe, thank you.
suzanne santo
Thanks so much for having us, man.
That was really fun.
Woo!
unidentified
That was awesome.
suzanne santo
We drank half a bottle of booze.
We had some good talks.
ben jaffe
We're doing good.
joe rogan
That song, you've got to release that version, too.
suzanne santo
Aw, thanks.
joe rogan
That was awesome.
ben jaffe
I want to do a record that's more stripped down.
I think that'd be awesome.
joe rogan
Dude, do it all.
Do it all.
Do both kinds.
Just keep going.
Take Adderall.
Do what you've got to do.
Keep it coming.
I want productivity.
suzanne santo
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
You guys are awesome.
That was really fun.
It's an honor.
It really is.
It's an honor to have you guys do that here.
It's so cool.
It's so, whatever it is, you know, whatever you describe, something when someone just nails it.
That's what that just was.
It was like the song, the lyrics, the music, the sounds, the whole thing.
Woo!
It's beautiful.
It's a work of art.
You guys should be proud.
suzanne santo
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
You're tapping into it, whatever the fuck it is.
Whatever you did to do that, keep doing that shit.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
Whatever path your mind is on that made you guys create that, damn.
It's good.
It's really good.
Really, really, really good.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
You guys are the shit.
Me too.
Enough blowing you.
Let's tell people where they can see you live and tell people how to get your shit.
It's all Honey Honey Band.
Is that the best way ever?
suzanne santo
Yeah, HoneyHoneyBand.com.
joe rogan
That's the portal for everything.
Instagram, for Twitter, for all that shit.
suzanne santo
Yeah, we have this little forum on our website, too, called Talkin' Shit.
Oh my goodness.
And we can communicate with the people and we...
joe rogan
Do you actually call it talking shit?
suzanne santo
It's weird because you can't technically swear on it, which is weird because we love to do that.
unidentified
But it's talking S-H-I-T Is it a message board?
suzanne santo
Yeah, it's a message board.
joe rogan
Why can't you swear on it?
suzanne santo
I don't know.
I've tried.
I've tried and it'll stop me every time I try to send it, so I have to like, which makes me feel really uncomfortable because I feel very comfortable with my potty mouth.
joe rogan
Is this your own website?
unidentified
It is our own website.
joe rogan
Oh, see, you don't need that.
suzanne santo
Who do we talk to about that, Ben?
joe rogan
Mine's called Shit Talking.
unidentified
Who did it?
joe rogan
Mine's called Shit Talking 101. It's like the name of...
unidentified
Oh, fuck.
suzanne santo
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah, you could just change the filter.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
People can say whatever they want.
The only thing, I try to tell them to cut the racist stuff out.
suzanne santo
How did that happen?
unidentified
That's amazing.
ben jaffe
Go easy on that.
joe rogan
Joe, we did not know about that.
There's filters on message boards.
You can set filters.
You could have them totally uncensored.
You could have people say whatever.
suzanne santo
We need to let the fucks out of the cage.
joe rogan
There's a lot of them that come built in when you try to write fuck.
It'll give you like asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, you know?
suzanne santo
They say the people that swear a lot are more in touch with their truth and themselves.
ben jaffe
Who said that?
suzanne santo
A lot of people.
joe rogan
Let those words free, bitches.
Let them free.
Stop being a word slave.
Word slave master controlling those words.
Let them all free, right?
ben jaffe
Do it.
joe rogan
Don't you think?
ben jaffe
Liberate home.
joe rogan
Well, I'm glad we did two podcasts that way.
I don't feel that uncomfortable with you guys driving home.
I think we reached a blood alcohol level of accepted...
suzanne santo
This is safe.
joe rogan
This was fun.
You guys hungry?
Let's get some food.
suzanne santo
Let's get some food.
joe rogan
Alright, honeyhoneyband.com, honeyhoneyband Instagram, honeyhoneyband Twitter.
Do you guys keep individual Twitter?
suzanne santo
No, we're one thing.
joe rogan
Hmm, you're like that weird married couple that shares an email.
ben jaffe
Maybe we should split that shit up.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
I don't want to be the wedge.
I don't want to be the wedge.
Don't split it up.
Not in front of me.
Respect our friendship.
Good night, you fucking freaks.
We'll be back soon.
Much love.
Big kiss.
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