May 7, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Alright, ladies and gentlemen, tomorrow, live on Spike TV, is Glory World Series. | ||
| With me, my man, Joe Schilling, Last Minute Edition. | ||
| I want to talk to you about some shit, dude. | ||
| Let's talk. | ||
| Because I was working out in my gym yesterday, dying, okay? | ||
| All I'm doing is hitting pads. | ||
| No one's hitting me back. | ||
| I'm fucking exhausted. | ||
| And what I like to do when I'm working out is I like to put fights on for motivation. | ||
| And I'm watching you... | ||
| And you're fighting in the last man standing tournament. | ||
| You gotta fight three times this night. | ||
| You're fighting, you're going four fucking rounds. | ||
| Exhausting, ridiculous fight. | ||
| And then I remember this shit. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
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Oops. | |
| We just dropped Elvis. | ||
| Elvis has left the building. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember this shit. | ||
| Ryan Loco took that. | ||
| Ryan Loco sent me this picture. | ||
| What the fuck, dude? | ||
| How are you able to have that kind of cardio? | ||
| I mean, you fought three times that night, four rounds your first fight before you won by knockout, and you're smoking cigarettes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| Oh, Joe. | ||
| I didn't want to talk about this last time. | ||
| First five minutes of the show, here we go. | ||
| But it's just, I couldn't believe it. | ||
| I really have a hard time believing it. | ||
| Like, I was watching the fights. | ||
| I was like, how the fuck does this guy have this kind of energy? | ||
| Well, to be honest, I was exhausted in the third round. | ||
| When I went back to my corner, I looked at my coach, and I'm like, you know, he's like, I think you're going to have to go another round. | ||
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| I did not want to go another round. | ||
| I was exhausted. | ||
| You know, I just wanted to win, and that was kind of what I did. | ||
| Well, it was just a ridiculous fight, too. | ||
| I mean, the whole tournament was ridiculous. | ||
| It's crazy to make someone fight three times in a night. | ||
| But that first fight was just so fucking back and forth and wild and crazy. | ||
| And for you to go that hard while you smoke cigarettes. | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| Like I said, I can't justify it. | ||
| I'm about ready to quit. | ||
| My last fight, my cardio was... | ||
| You know, I've done kickboxing for so long where... | ||
| I get tired like anybody else, but for whatever reason, it's never really bothered me that much. | ||
| And in the last fight, he was holding me a lot, and the cardio system is completely different. | ||
| It's coming to an end. | ||
| I'm getting really sick of smoking. | ||
| I'm getting really sick of explaining. | ||
| Having this conversation, Joe. | ||
| Joe's the reason. | ||
| When I quit, this will be the reason. | ||
| Well, good. | ||
| Well, I wanted to talk to you about these stupid vaporizing things, but Simon Marcus, the guy you're fighting, is a tough motherfucker. | ||
| You guys are going back and forth three rounds, and then you go in the fourth round, and you still manage to knock him out in the fourth round. | ||
| That was a crazy fight. | ||
| And to know that you're doing all this, giving yourself, I mean, what kind of a cardio deficit do you think cigarettes gives you? | ||
| Is it 5% maybe? | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
| I've been smoking since before I started doing kickboxing, so it was something that was just, you know, my cardio always sucks at the beginning of the camp and by the end of the camp I'm outrunning everybody else. | ||
| I'm sure it's a deficit. | ||
| You would have amazing cardio if you didn't smoke. | ||
| I mean, think of that. | ||
| Unless, you know what I used to think when I was young? | ||
| I was really retarded. | ||
| I would think that maybe smoking cigarettes is like weightlifting for your lungs. | ||
| Like, it makes your lungs work harder. | ||
| Because if you work out really hard and you smoke, maybe your lungs have to work Extra hard to deal with that smoke and they get stronger. | ||
| I quit for one fight when it was my last amateur fight and my coach, you know, was against it, obviously. | ||
| He was against you quitting? | ||
| Oh, against me smoking. | ||
| He's like, come on, man. | ||
| Don't be a pussy. | ||
| Have a beer. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, yeah, I quit for three months. | ||
| I trained really, really hard. | ||
| And for whatever reason, I was exhausted in the fight. | ||
| And after the second round, they're like, you know, seconds out. | ||
| And I'm like, look at my coach. | ||
| I can't stand up. | ||
| My legs were like locked up. | ||
| And he had to like lift me off the stool. | ||
| And I got robbed in the... | ||
| I lost that fight, but it was... | ||
| Everybody said I won the fight, but whatever. | ||
| My coach after the fight was like, you know what? | ||
| You quit. | ||
| You did everything I asked you to. | ||
| Do whatever you want to do after that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I wonder if your body was suffering nicotine withdrawal. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or if I was overconfident that my cardio was going to be so much better that I wasn't pacing or something. | ||
| Oh, that could be right. | ||
| That's a big issue, right, that a lot of people that watch fights really have no idea. | ||
| The energy management that's going on. | ||
| There's a whole bunch of management going on during a fight, and energy management is a big issue. | ||
| Knowing when to blow it out, and that's why I see a lot of guys... | ||
| Chael Sun on the podcast said it best. | ||
| He said, if you try to win by knockout, but don't win by knockout, you often lose the decision. | ||
| You just don't have the gas to keep going. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's pretty true. | ||
| Is that an experience thing, you think? | ||
| Like when you're managing your energy like that in the ring? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think it also has a lot to do with hiding how tired you are. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And like that example, for example, that fight with Simon Marcus you were talking about. | ||
| I usually, the way I hide it, and all the secrets can be out there, but I'll do like a little walk-off. | ||
| And if you notice, the ref broke us. | ||
| John McCarthy broke us. | ||
| And I turned my back and I was walking away. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| Catching my breath, and then he stalks me, and as he's coming, I'm waiting for that one big shot. | ||
| So it's like you're exhausted, you pace yourself for a second to give that next explosion. | ||
| It's just experience. | ||
| I've always been tired in every fight I've ever had, so I'm at that level. | ||
| But my last fight with Bellator, I was just a different level of exhausted from the wrestling and the jiu-jitsu that I haven't been doing for 15 years of my life. | ||
| I'm at a point now in my career where it's like, I've worked my ass off for so long that like kickboxing comes natural to me, you know, and with MMA It's like if I want to you know, yeah, I have half of the game down but if I want to really take this to the next level I have to Improve on the ground and the wrestling and that's gonna take me improving my cardio. | ||
| I think so are you committed? | ||
| Totally to fighting in both MMA and kickboxing or do you do you go back and forth on this or? | ||
| You know I love kickboxing and I want to do it forever. | ||
| And if the opportunity stays there for me to do both, then yes. | ||
| But I definitely have to step my game up in MMA. I really hate my record. | ||
| This last fight fucking drives me nuts. | ||
| The last fight was a close one. | ||
| Up until it got to the ground, it just seemed like you were having a real hard time getting up. | ||
| There's such a giant issue when it comes to the difference between the kind of endurance that you have with grappling and your ability to calculate all the different moves. | ||
| It takes so long to get grappling information in your body and in your head. | ||
| There's just so much stuff that's going on. | ||
| The guys are holding you down. | ||
| There's a few guys that get the takedown defense game down, like Krokop did in Pride, and then start to become really successful. | ||
| But once they actually get taken down and actually get held down on the ground, it just saps you of your energy, man. | ||
| And it takes away... | ||
| I was watching, I was like, I wonder how frustrating this is for him, because you're used to fighting your style of fight. | ||
| Your style of fight is kickboxing. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you got this guy on top of you, and you can't get up, and he's holding you down, and nothing really was happening on the ground. | ||
| There wasn't a lot of ground and pound, it wasn't real significant submission attempts, but it's just keeping you from doing the shit you want to do. | ||
| Yeah, it was incredibly frustrating. | ||
| Incredibly frustrating. | ||
| Do you think about just not doing it anymore? | ||
| Not really, because it's just not who I am. | ||
| When things are frustrating and hard, I don't quit. | ||
| I just step it up to the next level, usually. | ||
| Which is something I like about myself, so I don't want to change that. | ||
| No, that's a good quality, for sure. | ||
| It's just frustrating. | ||
| And then, I obviously have things that I need to work on. | ||
| I had stuff in the camp. | ||
| I was really sick during the camp. | ||
| You can continue to kickbox when you're really sick, you know, to an extent. | ||
| But, like, you can't do jiu-jitsu and be, like, drooling and slobbering and fucking sweating in some guy's face when you have the flu, you know? | ||
| So, like, for that camp, I only had, like, three weeks of jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And then I was sick for three weeks. | ||
| I had a fucking bronchitis and lung infection and this nasty shit. | ||
| Which probably fucking smoking wasn't, you know... | ||
| Were you smoking while you had the bronchitis? | ||
| I was just smoking all the time, John. | ||
| What I wanted to ask you is about these stupid vaporizer things that people keep sending me. | ||
| These vape tobacco. | ||
| Yeah, I'm actually sponsored by Firebrand, and it's been good. | ||
| I think I'm going to start using that stuff to quit. | ||
| That's a way better thing for your lungs, right? | ||
| I mean, I think so. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| I'm sure in 20 years they're going to say that was the reason that Joe got brain cancer. | ||
| I just, I wonder how, I mean, I know that being a professional fighter takes a tremendous amount of dedication and time. | ||
| And I wonder, like, when I see you in Glory and I see you also in Bellator, I'm like, man, does this guy have the amount of time that it takes to compete at the level that you compete at in kickboxing in both? | ||
| I mean, do you have the time to put in to jiu-jitsu and to wrestling defense and stuff like that? | ||
| It's been really tough, you know, the... | ||
| At the beginning of the year, I was really excited about it. | ||
| Oh, it's gonna be a busy year, you know, but it's really hard to have a fight and then immediately go right into another training camp for a different style or for, you know, for another sport. | ||
| And it's, you know, it's like my next fight's June 26th and it's like I just fought and I'm jumping right back into camp. | ||
| Bellator? | ||
| Bellator. | ||
| Oh, back in it again. | ||
| Yeah, which is nice because at least it's two in a row, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, it should be good. | ||
| I'm leaving tomorrow to Florida. | ||
| I'll be an American top team for three weeks. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| I'm going to be sparring with Tiago Alves for his fight with Carlos Condit. | ||
| And then, you know, working a lot with their wrestling team and with King Mo out there. | ||
| That's very smart for him. | ||
| Because, you know, Carlos and you have similar builds. | ||
| That's very smart for him. | ||
| And that's great for you, too. | ||
| That's a great camp as far as wrestling knowledge and grappling knowledge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like I said, you know, I'm not the kind of person that, like, When I lose a fight, I'm like, oh, I don't want to do this shit anymore. | ||
| I'll just go to where I'm good, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| What do I need to do different? | ||
| I need to get with a better team that's more focused on MMA and has better wrestlers. | ||
| You know, work this out. | ||
| I totally get that, but I would wonder how you could do both. | ||
| Like, that's what I would wonder. | ||
| I mean, I could totally get you saying, hey, you know what? | ||
| Right now, I'm in my athletic prime. | ||
| I think that the eyes are on MMA right now. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I'm just gonna make the jump and just fully make the jump but to do both me You're still active at a world-class level in kickboxing You're fighting world champions in kickboxing. | ||
| I'm the real number one contender right now for glory, but I couldn't take that shit That's a statement The last person they you know, I knocked out Simon I was ranked number one He beat two guys that weren't even in the top three and somehow got ranked number one to fight Arctum 11 I'm just saying Well, those were good fights, though. | ||
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They were good fights, but that's what I'm saying, Joe. | |
| It just got said. | ||
| It did get said. | ||
| It got said. | ||
| Now, to make the decision, though, to say if you have a camp and you're going to go and do this Bellator fight in June, and then if they offer you a kickboxing fight, like, say, in August... | ||
| Is that a difficult decision? | ||
| Like, do you say, like, hey, you know, I would rather be kickboxing, like, four or five months, really get sharp and in the groove, or is it okay to bounce back and forth? | ||
| Do you do enough kickboxing during your MMA training? | ||
| I think I can go back and forth with kickboxing at that level. | ||
| You know, it's just cut out. | ||
| The problem is when I do the kickboxing fight and then they offer me a Bellator fight right away because when I... If I fought Bellatoria in June and then I was going to fight kickboxing in August, July, the end of June, July, and August, I wouldn't be doing any wrestling or, you know, I just don't have time. | ||
| I'd be focusing on kickboxing, sparring, all that stuff. | ||
| So that was kind of the issue, you know, it was going back and forth. | ||
| Would it make any difference at all if it was a Muay Thai fight instead of kickboxing, like if you're doing Muay Thai all the time and then went right into MMA where you got a little bit more grappling? | ||
| Would that have any effect? | ||
| Um... | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| I mean, I still train pretty much the same. | ||
| The difference would be the elbows for that. | ||
| Not the clinch work? | ||
| Not so much. | ||
| I'm still clinching with kickboxing, just not for as long a period of time. | ||
| You know, every referee is different. | ||
| Even with Glory, it's like they say no clinching, but then you watch my fight with Simon, they were still way longer than five seconds of clinching in there. | ||
| Training-wise, it's still the same for me. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why it was so particularly impressive, that first four-round fight, because Simon Marcus is a Muay Thai guy, and he's known, that's one of his specialties, is his clinch. | ||
| And he's just very physically strong, and he fights a draining kind of fight. | ||
| Just really gets a hold of guys, manipulates you around, throws a lot of knees and elbows in the clinch. | ||
| And fucking go four rounds with that guy and then fight two more times afterwards. | ||
| And then against Wayne Barrett and fucking Artem Levin. | ||
| Like, holy shit! | ||
| Yeah, when I was walking out or limping out for the... | ||
| You know, after I beat Simon the first time, I was like on a high and then beating... | ||
| You know, Wayne, it was just like, fuck, I gotta fight one more. | ||
| There was no high. | ||
| It was like, I gotta fucking one more fight after this. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And we were in the back dressing room, and everyone's just kind of... | ||
| Everybody was just in shock and just kind of looking at me like, how the fuck are you gonna do this? | ||
| And I'm looking at them, and I'm like, I have no fucking idea. | ||
| I'm gonna do this right now. | ||
| And I was limping to the ring, and I'm just like... | ||
| When was this? | ||
| When was the cigarette? | ||
| That cigarette was right after the fight with Robert Thomas in the dressing room. | ||
| Ryan Loco showed up in my dressing room before I got in the shower and was like taking pictures. | ||
| And I'm like, he's like, can I take, I won't take a photo. | ||
| I'm like, Ryan, just take the picture. | ||
| And here it is. | ||
| Now, when you fought in the tournament, you didn't have any cigarettes in between fights or anything, did you? | ||
| After Simon, I went outside and had a cigarette. | ||
| True story. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You had a cigarette and then fought twice more. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I mean, for all this cigarette talk, I should get sponsored by Marlboro, right? | ||
| You should. | ||
| Fuck the Reebok deal. | ||
| Marlboro, what's up? | ||
| Cowboy gets sponsored by Budweiser. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Yeah, he's always wearing Budweiser shirts. | ||
| They gotta be throwing him some cash. | ||
| I can't imagine he's not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't see the dude without a Budweiser shirt on. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I could be their poster boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if anybody, like Marble, would love you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, look at this fucking guy, you know? | ||
| What do you smoke? | ||
| What kind do you smoke? | ||
| Marble lights. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| They'd probably be like, look, folks, the lights are okay. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| You know, this guy's got great cardio. | ||
| This is perfect. | ||
| How does a man fight so many rounds, you know? | ||
| Three different guys, one night. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| It's not that bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't be a pussy. | ||
| Yeah, those vaporizer things, though, they have helped a lot of people, right? | ||
| What about gum? | ||
| You ever try that shit? | ||
| I can't stand it. | ||
| Just the nicotine gum. | ||
| And I'm like, it can't be good for your mouth. | ||
| Fucking nicotine. | ||
| I don't think nicotine is really as bad as the chemicals that are in it and the burning of the plant matter. | ||
| I think there's something about the burning of the actual leaves themselves and then the 500 plus chemicals that the cigarette companies put into cigarettes to enhance the flavor and to enhance the addictive properties of it. | ||
| So there's an interesting topic. | ||
| So now Philip Morris is making their own weed products now. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| I heard that they had some big fucking thing and that they're getting ready for the whole distribution. | ||
| So they have like Marlboro weed cigarettes. | ||
| It's like, go ahead and take something natural and healthy and then give it to a cigarette company and watch what happens. | ||
| And now people will be getting fucking cancer and all kinds of shit from smoking weed. | ||
| Yeah, right, they'll become Republicans. | ||
| Like, something will happen, they'll put some shit in the cigarettes, and you're like, you know what, I don't think I'm real excited about gay marriage. | ||
| Like, all of a sudden, people have these weird Republican right-wing views. | ||
| I think that it's real possible, because if you see those natural cigarettes, like those American, what are those, American spirits? | ||
| American spirits. | ||
| Those are just tobacco, right? | ||
| Apparently they taste like shit. | ||
| A lot of my friends smoke them. | ||
| I'm not a big fan. | ||
| And they'll burn forever, which I guess is without the chemicals. | ||
| Like a cigarette. | ||
| If you light a cigarette and you sit in an ashtray, it will burn all the way down. | ||
| If you lit a joint and sit in an ashtray, it would burn out. | ||
| It won't burn the whole thing. | ||
| But I guess it's the chemicals in it. | ||
| They keep it lit. | ||
| They keep it burning. | ||
| And then the American Spirits, it's like, it takes forever to smoke one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is kind of good. | ||
| You only smoke like half of it and get rid of it. | ||
| But they're disgusting, right? | ||
| They're pretty nasty, in my opinion. | ||
| Does it give you the same rush? | ||
| Like, that's what you're getting, right? | ||
| This nicotine rush, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I guess so. | ||
| It would give you the same feeling. | ||
| Because I think that tobacco itself is, I don't think it's good for you, but I don't think it's nearly as bad for you as the tobacco with all the jazz in it. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Did you ever see that movie, The Insider, Russell Crowe? | ||
| It's about, you know, you don't really know how much, whenever they do a movie on real life situations, you don't know how much fuckery is involved and manipulate things. | ||
| But the movie is about a guy who is a scientist working for cigarette companies that his whole deal is figuring out how to make them more addictive. | ||
| And then he testifies against cigarette companies. | ||
| And they, you know, they're fucking stalking his home, scaring the shit out of them and Apparently, supposedly, you've got to say that, based on a real story. | ||
| Based on a real story. | ||
| Yeah, but there are hundreds of chemicals, 500 plus chemicals that they put into cigarettes for various reasons. | ||
| Yeah, why would they do that? | ||
| That menthol taste. | ||
| I want to know how that got into the black community. | ||
| How did men... | ||
| Cools. | ||
| Cools, the Nike, upside down Nike sign. | ||
| Is that... | ||
| Is it? | ||
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Hmm. | |
| No, that's the Newport. | ||
| Is it Newport? | ||
| Newport has the Nike sign. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But yeah, how did they do... | ||
| Cools, that's true, right? | ||
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Cools... | |
| It's interesting how certain cigarettes are for... | ||
| I mean, they're just fucking cigarettes, but they figured out a way to brand them so they appeal towards certain ethnic groups. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, Lucky Strikes. | ||
| You gotta be some sort of a savage, like, mechanic with fucking a missing pinky. | ||
| You know, if you're smoking those filtered Lucky Strikes, you're probably drinking Pabst Blue Ribbon right out of the can, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Your fingernails are always dirty. | ||
| You're drinking horrible booze and you're smoking Lucky Strikes. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| You don't see black people smoking Lucky Strikes. | ||
| When was the time you saw a black guy smoking American Spirits? | ||
| No, those are white hipsters, right? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much, yeah. | ||
| Try to be natural. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Cools? | ||
| I just remember Cools, like there was an Eddie Murphy movie, and they would always have like the blackout. | ||
| Where's my pack of Cools, man? | ||
| Give me that pack of Cools. | ||
| My mother used to smoke Cools. | ||
| I don't know what that says about my mom. | ||
| Can't be good. | ||
| I don't want to say anything about Joe's mom. | ||
| Yeah, man, if you think, if you see a young white gal, and she's smoking cools, and you're a black guy, you probably think you got a shot. | ||
| Like, I see what she's doing. | ||
| She's sending out the bat signal. | ||
| It's just bizarre that there's certain cigarettes that they appeal to certain ethnic groups. | ||
| Yeah, I never thought about that. | ||
| Yeah, it's marketing, man. | ||
| Marketing is fucked. | ||
| How clean is your diet when you, I mean, obviously you have the issue with the cigarettes, but other than the issue with the cigarettes, how clean is your diet when you're training? | ||
| When I'm training, I just, you know, I don't eat like fast food and shit like that, but that's pretty much it. | ||
| You know, it's pretty weight management based, I would think. | ||
| You know, if my weight's good, then I eat When I used to fight 175, 168, then it was like a month of low carb. | ||
| I was killing myself. | ||
| Chicken salads three times a day. | ||
| Oh, so you do like an Atkins type deal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I do low carb, it works really well. | ||
| To take off the weight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doesn't that fuck with your energy? | ||
| Yeah, it would, especially as the fight got closer and I would really start cutting back on carbs. | ||
| I would try to keep carbs Under 100 a day and then as I got closer it would be like under 50 and like last week it'd be like almost no carbs and then I'd find myself like pulling out in front of in traffic like your brain works off of of carbs and water so Yeah, it wasn't good when I went up to 180 187 for glory It was a lot easier to make weight. | ||
| My performance was way, way, way better. | ||
| Yeah, I would only imagine. | ||
| There's got to be a significant point of what you would call diminishing returns, where you can only cut so much weight where it's not going to benefit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's not like when you see guys like Frankie Edgar that fought so well at 155, and he weighed 155, and then you see other dudes that are coming down from, you know, way, way above that. | ||
| Oftentimes, like in the high 180s, like, Gleason Tebow, you ever see that guy in real life? | ||
| Mm-mm. | ||
| Wait till you meet him. | ||
| You're going to go down to American Top Team? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're going to look at that guy and you go, how in the fuck does that guy make 155? | ||
| I mean, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| I mean, he's fucking huge. | ||
| I mean, he's like, he'd be 190. I don't know how he does it. | ||
| You see him when he's getting ready to weigh in, you're like, that doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Like, that's not even 155 now. | ||
| He gets in the scale, it says 155, and you're like, huh? | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of those guys, I just don't get it. | ||
| I just don't understand. | ||
| That's the dark secret of MMA. The dark secret of combat sports is the weight cut. | ||
| It's very dangerous. | ||
| You heard about that guy that just died recently, kidney failure? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, amateur guy. | ||
| Just died just like a week or two ago. | ||
| Yeah, he had kidney failure. | ||
| They pulled him out, took him to the hospital, and I believe he died shortly after. | ||
| I want to say a day or two later. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| Yeah, it's that fucking dehydration, man. | ||
| It's just so dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| I mean, I've had some really, really bad cuts in the past. | ||
| Obviously, the performance wasn't good, but there was a couple of ones where it was like walking to the way in. | ||
| At Commerce Casino, there's like a long fucking stairway. | ||
| And like every step I would have to stop and like... | ||
| And then take another step. | ||
| It took me like 15 minutes to get up the stairs. | ||
| And it was like the doctor like check, you know, does like the check or whatever beforehand. | ||
| He's like, I'm not letting you cut another ounce if you don't make it. | ||
| Usually they give you like two hours to make two more pounds or whatever. | ||
| He's like, you're not cutting any more weight. | ||
| And I had to like tell him like, I'm okay. | ||
| I have a nurse standing by. | ||
| I'm going to get an IV. Like, I'm going to be all right. | ||
| But it was really, really bad. | ||
| And then, you know, you see some of these guys, uh, which I think was the ultimate fighter where the guy was like in the back cramping and screaming and crying. | ||
| They wouldn't let him fight. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know why people go that far for it. | ||
| It's all the wrestling, the influence of wrestling, because that's always been a part of the wrestling culture. | ||
| Like, if you try to wrestle at your natural weight, you're a pussy. | ||
| Like, what, you can't cut weight? | ||
| You can't be uncomfortable? | ||
| Like, wrestlers only seem to be happy when they're miserable. | ||
| Like, they're happy when they're chewing ice and running upstairs. | ||
| They're like Marines in a certain way. | ||
| Have you ever talked to Marines? | ||
| They'll brag about how much more miserable their time was than other people's time. | ||
| They take pride in the fact that they can suffer and endure it. | ||
| It's not easy to fucking endure misery. | ||
| I guess there's a badge of courage attached to that. | ||
| When it comes to wrestling, there's a culture of being miserable, a culture of overtraining. | ||
| No one over-trains wrestlers. | ||
| It's a significant issue because, yeah, you get mental toughness out of it. | ||
| There's no one mentally tougher than wrestlers. | ||
| When it comes to MMA, when those guys enter into MMA, they have this fucking steel determination, like the elite high-level wrestlers. | ||
| You get it from elite high-level kickboxers as well, but... | ||
| It seems like there's something about the grind of amateur wrestling, going through high school, going through college, going through Olympic trials and whatever you do. | ||
| The level of intensity in the wrestling room and the dealing, the constantly dealing with being in a bad state physically, like constantly overtrained. | ||
| They just develop this mindset of driving through that. | ||
| It just sounds miserable. | ||
| I mean, I feel depressed while just hearing you talk about it. | ||
| Who wants to do that shit? | ||
| There's talk about the guy who runs the California State Athletic Commission. | ||
| He wants to have people. | ||
| Andy Foster, very smart guy. | ||
| Had a good conversation with him. | ||
| He wants to talk to guys about possibly putting some sort of a limit as to how much you can gain. | ||
| After the weigh-in. | ||
| Yeah, after the weigh-in, to discourage really bad weight cuts. | ||
| Cut it to 10 pounds, 15 pounds, whatever the fuck it is, whatever the number is. | ||
| What do you think of that? | ||
| Well, I mean, the theory is good, but then you still have the same problem as before. | ||
| You get these guys that think they can cut 30 pounds, and then I'll just put on 10 more. | ||
| Well, then you're still fighting dehydrated, and you're going to have the same injuries and risks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're almost risking more now because you're not allowing them to at least get in there healthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| You know, I think the real way to do it is probably to weigh someone, like, six weeks out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And then figure out how much you would allow them. | ||
| But they would cheat then, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they'd cut weight every once a week before the weigh-in. | ||
| Yeah, they would just cut a shitload of weight six weeks out. | ||
| It was a lie. | ||
| You know? | ||
| They'd cut 10 pounds, and then you'd say, all right, you can lose 15 more, and then, no, they're cutting 25. You know? | ||
| It just seems like the other option is the day of weigh-ins, which is terrible, because they'll cut weight then too. | ||
| Yeah, they'll do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how to fix it other than telling people it's bad for you. | ||
| You know, more people die, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, would there be a benefit of making people fight at their natural weight? | ||
| Like, would you walk around, like, close to 200? | ||
| Yeah, I'm about 205 right now. | ||
| And when you get into the ring, when you fight, like, say, in glory, will you be about 200? | ||
| Yeah, I'll be right around, like, 200 pounds. | ||
| What about, like, making some sort of agreement with other fighters that also are like that? | ||
| Like a guy like Simon. | ||
| Like, just weigh in the day of the fight, no cutting weight. | ||
| Like, this is what you gotta weigh. | ||
| You gotta weigh 200 pounds. | ||
| Or maybe make an opening. | ||
| Like, okay, you gotta be between 190 and 200. You know what I mean? | ||
| Right, but 10 people cut weight, right? | ||
| Well, wouldn't they cut weight to make 200? | ||
| Yeah, but they'd be bigger. | ||
| They'd bulk up to like 210 and cut down. | ||
| It almost seems like there's no way to... | ||
| There's no way to fix it, I guess. | ||
| That's a fucked up situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And for people who don't know, the real issue with weight cutting when it comes to combat sports as opposed to wrestling is head trauma. | ||
| Because your brain takes a while, especially when you're just ingesting fluids orally, meaning just drinking water or Pedialyte or whatever, it takes a while to get up to your brain. | ||
| But in wrestling, that's okay because no one's kicking you in the head. | ||
| When you're in MMA or kickboxing, you've got a real issue because it takes a while for it, which is why everybody likes to go with IV bags. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It's almost like MMA is too much. | ||
| There's like too much going on. | ||
| Between all the different shit you have to do, and then also you have five minute rounds as opposed to three minute rounds of kickboxing. | ||
| The wrestling, the kickboxing, the submissions, like all the different variables. | ||
| It's almost like you fucking can't keep up with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of shit going on there. | ||
| I don't know how to fix the weight. | ||
| I mean, it's got to be an issue in boxing, too, no? | ||
| Or we just don't talk about it? | ||
| It's not as big an issue. | ||
| It's not as big an issue because the physical weight is not as big an issue. | ||
| It's an issue, but it's not as big an issue as, say, like a guy who can take you down and use that weight on top of you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the weight isn't going to really help you that much. | ||
| Yeah, like you see a guy like Chris Weidman who fights at 185, he does not weigh 185 right now. | ||
| If you weighed Chris Weidman right now, he's got to be well over 200 pounds. | ||
| He's a big boy. | ||
| And he has a hard cut to get down to 185, and he's the UFC middleweight champion, you know? | ||
| And he fights a very, very heavy, physical style, very aggressive, gets on top of dudes, vicious ground and pound, knows how to use his weight, and if you're not prepared to that weight, like, after Lyoto fought him, one of the first things Lyoto said was, I gotta get stronger. | ||
| I just gotta get bigger. | ||
| I just can't fight at this weight. | ||
| Yeah, there's, like, you know, some people, they just gain weight easier than other people. | ||
| Like, some guys in shape could be right around 205, but when they're out of shape, they get all the way up to, like, 225 pounds. | ||
| Me, I'm, like, 205 to 210, period. | ||
| In shape, out of shape, whatever. | ||
| Like, I'm not the type of guy that gets fat, you know what I mean? | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Well, it's just, I wish I could gain weight. | ||
| It would be a little easier, you know? | ||
| For me to bulk up for a fight and do the weights, and I'm drinking, like... | ||
| 3,000 calorie shakes, like twice a day, you know, just to try to put weight on. | ||
| And I see these other guys that, you know, who's that, the Bellator champion, Housley? | ||
| He posted a picture the other day. | ||
| He was like 230. Yeah, did you see there was an article on the Underground about that guy where people were accusing him of Mexican supplements? | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Yeah, I forget. | ||
| I don't like to engage in those things because I don't know who's telling the truth or who's not telling the truth. | ||
| Anytime someone fights well, there's all immediate accusations. | ||
| Like that was one with Rafael Dos Anjos after he beat Pettis. | ||
| Everybody was saying, oh, he's got to be on something. | ||
| He's got to be on something. | ||
| Like, look at him. | ||
| He's got to be on something. | ||
| I just think anybody that does well, they're going to say that. | ||
| And then, like, who's saying it? | ||
| It's the fans. | ||
| Bellator posted a picture of me after I knocked out Melvin and a picture of when I was 17 years old training. | ||
| And all the comments were like, P.E.D. Since I was 17? | ||
| Like, really? | ||
| I can't believe he looks different than when he was 17. Yeah, that's weird, dude. | ||
| You got older and you look different? | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| Strange as fuck. | ||
| Dos Anjos looks exactly the same, too. | ||
| That's why it's so stupid that everybody's accusing him. | ||
| Doesn't mean he couldn't possibly have been on something, but, you know, he's training with one of the disciples of Marv Marinovich. | ||
| Do you know the Marv? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's training with this guy, Nick Kurson, who's going to be on the podcast in a couple weeks. | ||
| I'm very excited to... | ||
| Interview that guy. | ||
| And he's got some pretty radical training methods that he learned from Marv Marinovich. | ||
| Because I heard them talk about him when BJ used him, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this guy has the same sort of training methods. | ||
| I really can't wait to interview him and talk to him about these methods. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, because Dos Anjos was in insane shape. | ||
| I mean, the pace that he put on Pettis... | ||
| He didn't have any holes. | ||
| I mean, there was nothing. | ||
| His striking was on point. | ||
| His grappling was insane. | ||
| His cardio was insane. | ||
| I mean, he just covered all the bases, dotted all his I's, checked all his T's. | ||
| That was impressive as fuck. | ||
| I want to find out what this guy's doing. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| I always wonder how much of a training camp, and this is particularly important, I guess, in MMA, how much of a training camp should be dedicated to strength and conditioning? | ||
| And how much should be dedicated to skill work? | ||
| You know, for me, for Last Man Standing, I had like a six months notice or something for the fight. | ||
| And my fight before that was with Wayne Barrett in New York. | ||
| And I just felt physically too small when I fought him. | ||
| I mean, that was the first time in my career where the guy that I weighed in against and the guy I got in the ring with were like two different people. | ||
| And it really bothered me mentally. | ||
| And like there were shots that he would hit me with That didn't even land, but he hit me in the forearm and he'd be pushing me across the ring and I really felt too small. | ||
| I hit the weights and I was doing the high calorie things or whatever and I did the weights for a long, long period of time. | ||
| And then my coach stopped me about six weeks out from the fight and was like, you know, more weights. | ||
| Now you have to get your... | ||
| Because I was stiff and, you know, if you lift weights... | ||
| You're sore all the time, right? | ||
| Yeah, you're just sore and every time you're building muscle, you're making it tighter and tighter and tighter. | ||
| For speed, for kickboxing especially, and boxing, it's about technique and... | ||
| Being loose and snap more so than like punching hard. | ||
| The economy of movement too, right? | ||
| You got to be able to be loose. | ||
| Yeah, it's about getting that punch to snap at the end and not trying to push through. | ||
| I had a really good result with that camp and I felt like I was hitting harder. | ||
| Obviously it knocked out Simon, so it was good. | ||
| But, like, now when I'm fighting so actively, it's like I don't really have time to hit the weights and, like, bulk up or, like, get that tight again, you know? | ||
| So that's been an issue for me when you're fighting so consistently. | ||
| I'm sure that, you know, I'd be interested to see what Donald Cerrone does when he's fighting so often, you know, if he has time. | ||
| Because for me, it was like, okay, get right back into camp. | ||
| You're right back where you are, like, the last, you know, five weeks. | ||
| You're running all the time. | ||
| You're trying to get your speed and your agility, but there's not a whole lot of strength training going on. | ||
| Yeah, I talked to Diego Sanchez about that, and Diego, the way he would prepare for a fight. | ||
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| He'd just pull out a cross and just start fucking screaming yes. | ||
| I didn't see that. | ||
| Somebody told me about that the other day. | ||
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You've never seen it? | |
| And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Jamie, pull this up. | ||
| You gotta see this. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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I just saw it the other day. | |
| And I was like, he was telling me about it. | ||
| I didn't believe him. | ||
| And then I YouTubed, and I was like, holy shit. | ||
| That's some... | ||
| There's not a motherfucker alive who believes in himself more than Diego Sanchez. | ||
| I mean, you might believe in yourself as much, but you are at 100%. | ||
| You're at 100% belief. | ||
| That motherfucker believes in himself. | ||
| I mean, I had seen it when he was walking out yelling yes or whatever, but I hadn't seen where he pulled out the cross and was fighting demons on the way to the ring. | ||
| That was fucking crazy. | ||
| It was one of the greatest moments I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| I don't know if that's belief or what that is. | ||
| It's a lot of things, man. | ||
| That was something. | ||
| It's a lot of things. | ||
| No, this is just a yes one. | ||
| This is great. | ||
| Diego's an interesting cat. | ||
| He's very big on yoga. | ||
| He's very big on sensory deprivation tanks. | ||
| We talked in depth about sensory deprivation. | ||
| Maybe it's the craziest one. | ||
| Does it say craziest Diego Sanchez? | ||
| That's very subjective, though. | ||
| All of his walk-ins are crazy. | ||
| No, he's wearing a cloak or some shit, and he's fucking fighting demons on the way to the ring. | ||
| Yeah, it looks like some sort of a monk. | ||
| He's a big fan of optimizing everything he's got, including his mental state. | ||
| He's really into positive affirmations and positive thinking. | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| Yeah, this one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So as he walks out, like as he starts walking out towards it, I'm pretty sure this is it. | ||
| I got something for him. | ||
| He's like hiding it or something. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Here's a fucking cross. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| See, I wasn't calling this fight, I don't believe. | ||
| I believe I was watching it at home, so I got a chance to laugh. | ||
| I could laugh really hard. | ||
| That's something right there. | ||
| If I had to see, if I was seeing this... | ||
| Yeah, it's Kenny Florian talking. | ||
| If I was there live, I most certainly would have started laughing. | ||
| But what I was going to say is that Diego, what he does before camps, is he would do only strength and conditioning. | ||
| No fitness, no striking training, no grappling training, no nothing. | ||
| Everything he would do leading up to his camp would be like weightlifting, running, like all physical, physical shit. | ||
| Just get his body to the peak of condition. | ||
| Then he would start to taper off of that and then go into his skill set training. | ||
| So they do it like when he would actually do a six weeks for camp his six would be all wrestling all striking all jujitsu Right, that's ideally what I would do except now it's like I only have six weeks between if I you know You know what I mean? | ||
| So I don't really have time to do that right now. | ||
| He brought in Steve Maxwell for his BJ Penn fight. | ||
| And, you know, it was interesting because Steve said it would almost be better if I didn't train him because Steve was like, because if I didn't train him, he wouldn't be in as good a shape and it would have been like a quicker fight. | ||
| He was outclassed in that fight. | ||
| BJ was just lighting him up. | ||
| And because he was in such good shape, he was able to take a tremendous amount of punishment. | ||
| I mean, BJ dropped him just a couple minutes or so into the first round and then just battered him for the rest of the fight until he eventually cut him with that head kick and stopped him. | ||
| It's interesting, too, because I've heard, and I kind of believe it, is that your chin has improved with the better shape here. | ||
| Have you heard that before? | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| I wonder why that is, though. | ||
| Well, I think that when you're tired, you're weak, you know? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I remember I fought in a kickboxing tournament. | ||
| It was in Rhode Island, above the waist kickboxing. | ||
| The old school days. | ||
| I saw somebody post one of your spinning heel kick knockouts. | ||
| That was a Taekwondo tournament. | ||
| But in the kickboxing tournament, I fought three times in one night. | ||
| And I won the first fight by knockout. | ||
| I beat the shit out of the second guy. | ||
| And then I had a long wait. | ||
| Like an hour plus for the third fight. | ||
| And I was exhausted. | ||
| I wasn't in the best of shape. | ||
| You know, wasn't that smart back then. | ||
| Wasn't eating very good. | ||
| And I was really tired after the first round of this fight, and this guy hit me with a punch that really wasn't that big of a punch. | ||
| Like, I remember seeing it on video. | ||
| He hit me with a left hook, and my legs just went, take care. | ||
| We'll see you later. | ||
| They just stopped working. | ||
| I'm like any other time I'd be able to take that punch like it doesn't make any sense It wasn't like sometimes you see a punch and you see your head snap back and you go goddamn Like you got cracked, but this wasn't that it was just my body just was exhausted and if I was in better shape I know I would have been able to take that better and you see guys that are in really good shape and It's very rare that they can't recover from a couple hard shots whereas it seems like Everything is based on your vitality. | ||
| And if your body is in really good condition, you can bounce back from things quicker. | ||
| Like Frankie Edgar is another perfect example. | ||
| I think a lot of it you have to chalk off to heart and will and determination. | ||
| You know, like some guys like Frankie just has this fucking incredible will. | ||
| Like you can't, like he's like a dude who's a little dude who people have been fucking with him. | ||
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| He was this little guy. | ||
| He ain't having it. | ||
| He's going to fucking kick your ass. | ||
| It doesn't matter how hard you hit him. | ||
| If all fights went to 100 rounds, Frankie Edgar would never lose. | ||
| He would just keep going and keep going and keep going. | ||
| Eventually you would get tired and he would beat your ass. | ||
| But I think one of the ways he could absorb the kind of punishment that he could absorb, like against Gray Maynard, remember those fights? | ||
| Fucking insane, two insane first rounds where Gray had him out in both fights. | ||
| Gray cracked him. | ||
| I mean, he's wobbling. | ||
| A lot of referees would have stopped the fight. | ||
| He's going down two, three times in the first round, just getting wobbled, blood, face swelling. | ||
| Second round, he comes out and he wins a round. | ||
| You know, how's he doing it? | ||
| Well, he's doing just insane shape. | ||
| His cardio is just so fucking good. | ||
| He can take it, he bounces back from it, he recovers quickly, and then his cardio is so good that in the second round he's back again. | ||
| Well, then it's like the guys that lose their chin. | ||
| Are they just not in good shape anymore? | ||
| No, I think it's a punishment issue. | ||
| We've all seen it. | ||
| Guys in the gym that have a certain amount of times you can punch that card. | ||
| Until it's like, it's over. | ||
| It just doesn't work anymore. | ||
| Chuck described it to me once. | ||
| And he said the way it was described to him is that the doctor... | ||
| Was telling him that at a certain point in time your brain recognizes that you're too tough for your own good So your brain knows when it gets tagged. | ||
| Oh This fucking dude is just gonna start absorbing punches again, and we're gonna have to deal with all this damage Let's just shut off right that makes sense. | ||
| It makes a lot of sense The last time this happened we just took a little nap and everything was fine. | ||
| Let's just do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, let's just take a little nap Fuck this guy This asshole wants us to go eat punches. | ||
| Joe's doing this shit again? | ||
| Fuck you, Joe. | ||
| You gotta wonder, like, what is that, when that time is? | ||
| You know, like, when, when do you, uh, when do you, when do you know? | ||
| Because most fighters have think, like, you know what, if I just have one more camp, and maybe I'll do eight weeks instead of six weeks, and maybe I'll clean my diet up, and maybe I'll bring in a guy... | ||
| To work with me maybe on my defense a little bit more, and maybe my strength and conditioning could be better than improve everything. | ||
| I mean, you gotta know in the camp, though. | ||
| If you're getting knocked out in sparring, if that's happening, that's never happened to me in sparring. | ||
| But if that's a thing that happens in the gym, how much confidence can you really have when you're walking to the rink? | ||
| Like, two weeks ago I got knocked out. | ||
| Shh, don't tell anybody. | ||
| That's a regular occurrence. | ||
| Regular occurrence in MMA. Forrest Griffin, when he fought Anderson, he got knocked out apparently twice. | ||
| You've seen the Marvin Eastman-Travis Luter fight? | ||
| Yeah, that was when Marvin got hit with this very strange punch It was like it was a decent punch But it was like at the very end of the punch and he just went out like he got shot All right, and I remember thinking wow, that's kind of crazy Then we found that afterwards he got knocked out twice in camp like really recently Tito had knocked him out with a knee And then someone had knocked him out. | ||
| He got knocked out with a takedown attempt or something like that. | ||
| It was like two in a row. | ||
| So one didn't really recover from that, went back in, got another one. | ||
| See, that's the other thing. | ||
| Is there just a number? | ||
| Or is it like this guy got knocked out and didn't do the right things, didn't do the hyperbaric chambers, didn't take time off, you know what I mean? | ||
| Do you do that? | ||
| Hyperbaric chamber? | ||
| I've done it before, and I do the altitude tents. | ||
| I have one in my house. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| You sleep in that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you get your lady to sleep in there with you? | ||
| Yeah, she's not a big fan. | ||
| It's like a giant tent, and our nightstands and bed and everything fits in there. | ||
| She just can't stand the smell of it, because it smells like you're sleeping in a tent. | ||
| Oh, like vinyl? | ||
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| I remember BJ Penn in one of the countdown shows, he goes, when you're gonna sleep in a big plastic tent, you know someone's gonna get their ass kicked. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of fucked up, right? | ||
| Like sleeping in a big plastic tent just to... | ||
| But that's the only way to mimic it. | ||
| They say that's actually the best way. | ||
| That's actually even better than training at altitude. | ||
| Because training at altitude kind of limits your workload. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas you really want the recovery. | ||
| There's this place in Costa Mesa that I used to go to before I got this. | ||
| And I probably will start going back to it because it was really good. | ||
| It's called Ascent and the product is called CVAC. And it's this altitude chamber that... | ||
| It looks like a jet plane cockpit. | ||
| Ian uses it a lot too. | ||
| Yeah, Ian McCall. | ||
| It was designed by the guy that invented the MRI machine. | ||
| And it's actually, the purpose behind it was to cure diabetes or treat diabetes with circulation problems or something. | ||
| But they're in the process of getting it... | ||
| Licensed or whatever to where they could, was it approved by the FDA? Diabetes, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something about, they get people that have like, you know how people have diabetes, their feet turn purple because their fucking blood flow is all fucked up. | ||
| They put people on this machine and they'll like, After a couple treatments, their feet get regular colored again. | ||
| But the way it works is it takes you to way higher altitude. | ||
| My home goes to like 16,000 feet. | ||
| This will go all the way to like 33,000 feet or some shit. | ||
| Like Everest. | ||
| Everest. | ||
| And it goes up and down. | ||
| So in a 20-minute session, it goes, based on what program it is, maybe Everest to back down to zero like 100 times in 20 minutes. | ||
| While you're in there, it's constantly dropping. | ||
| The pressure's filling up and dropping because the guy found that Your body goes through more of a metabolic change during the change of altitude as opposed to like what we've known is you go and you stay there for eight hours or however long and then you come back down to train. | ||
| So this is constantly going up and down, up and down, up and down and your body's like what the fuck, what Fuck, and that's supposed to create more red blood cells or circulation. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Can you get one of those for a gym? | ||
| You can. | ||
| They have, I think there's like 15 in the U.S. Really? | ||
| Crazy expensive, I'm sure. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Yeah, I think you could definitely do that. | ||
| You could hit up Ascent in Costa Mesa, yeah. | ||
| Demo? | ||
| Is there a demo for this? | ||
| They have a video, Jamie? | ||
| That looks like you're going to launch into the fucking universe in that thing. | ||
| A lot of fighters use it. | ||
| A lot of triathletes are using it down there. | ||
| It's really good stuff. | ||
| I just stopped doing it because it was so... | ||
| With my schedule and training here and there and everywhere else, driving all the way to Costa Mesa and back every day was tough. | ||
| If you had one in the yard, though, you'd probably jump in that pitch every day, right? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| I'd sleep in that thing. | ||
| Crank this up, Jamie. | ||
| Let me hear this. | ||
| I want to hear what they have to say. | ||
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Creating lower pressure and thinner air, just like you'd get on a day of skiing up in Aspen. | |
| Athletes get an increase in VO2 max, peripheral vision, quicker reaction, endurance, power. | ||
| The CVAC people say the body's response is to increase its blood volume, but that they still haven't studied the effects enough to say for sure. | ||
| I decided to get into the thing and try out a typical session. | ||
| Am I going to get injured in this thing? | ||
| Pussy. | ||
| Get in there. | ||
| Like your ears will pop like shit. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It fucking hurts. | ||
| It takes like four or five sessions to get used to it. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And my coach would notice a big difference. | ||
| And the biggest difference that I noticed from that, from using the altitude tent, was like... | ||
| The fog of sparring or being in a fight, everything kind of slowed down. | ||
| It just seemed more focused. | ||
| I'd find myself checking out the guy's tattoos. | ||
| And my coach would notice a big difference, like two sessions in there, and he'd be like, you've been using that machine, huh? | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Because, I mean, as a smoker, Joe, I've got to do everything I can. | ||
| So that was a regular part of six or seven of my fights I was going down there. | ||
| No shit, man. | ||
| You gotta get back in there, dude. | ||
| Yeah, I really do. | ||
| Oh, look at these. | ||
| His ears are popping. | ||
| Yeah, so you're constantly in there just popping ears, popping ears, popping ears. | ||
| Yeah, this is fucking cool. | ||
| The fucking cap, it'll crush. | ||
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The fucking cap will go shooting off. | |
| The water bottle just like a gorilla smushed it. | ||
| What I literally loved about it is there was only like 12, I think, in the US. I knew when I was in there that my opponent wasn't using that shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's what people feel like when they do steroids. | ||
| Essentially, yeah. | ||
| Did we talk about the cryo chamber last time you were there? | ||
| Yeah, you referred me. | ||
| I went down to it one day. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| It was real cool. | ||
| There's one out here now. | ||
| There's one right down the street. | ||
| You're fucking living in that shit. | ||
| How many times today have you been in that? | ||
| I haven't been yet. | ||
| It just opened. | ||
| It hasn't even had a hard opening yet. | ||
| They've just done a soft opening. | ||
| Same company, though. | ||
| Cryo Healthcare. | ||
| That's where you went, right? | ||
| That's amazing, isn't it? | ||
| It was really cool. | ||
| It was really cool. | ||
| Cold as fuck, but when you get out, don't you feel like you can jump over the moon? | ||
| Yeah, it was like fucking... | ||
| I tried to describe it in text and I was like, I didn't sound fucking right at all. | ||
| Like when you're in there and I would like take a deep breath, it's almost like a head rush. | ||
| Like the fucking cold air going in. | ||
| It was almost like a whippet. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| The whole thing was fucking cool. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| Next on my list, I want to try one of those, uh, the float labs. | ||
| Tell me when. | ||
| You tell me when. | ||
| You can use mine at my house. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on over, dude. | ||
| You tell me when. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Whenever. | ||
| Whenever you're free. | ||
| Well, let's set up a date soon and come on over to the house. | ||
| You can have dinner. | ||
| And then I'll leave you down there for a few hours. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And come on up and you'll freak out. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| My buddy told me about it and it's like a hallucinogenic kind of thing? | ||
| Well, sorta. | ||
| And then I've heard people using it for training. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's great for training. | ||
| You know, it's great for problem solving, too. | ||
| I use it for, like, if I have a joke that I'm working on that's not working well, I'll go in there and I'll sort it out. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, there's gotta be an angle for this joke. | ||
| I could sit down and look at a keyboard and maybe think about it, but I feel like my mind has more resources when I'm in the tank. | ||
| And the reason being is that the idea of the sensory deprivation tank was created by this guy named John Lilly. | ||
| John Lilly was this really nutty dude. | ||
| He was a psychedelic pioneer We're good to go. | ||
| From the influence of the body he was thinking that there's like my neck hurts like I got a fart you know like all these different things that are going on in your body that are Distracting the mind how could I get away from that and he came up with a bunch of different solutions One of them was you've seen that movie altered states You ever seen that movie? | ||
| It's really stupid, man. | ||
| It was great in the 80s when I saw it. | ||
| When I was a kid, I was like, this movie's great. | ||
| And it's one of the movies you watch again when you're 40. You go, what the fuck? | ||
| This movie's a piece of shit. | ||
| So many movies don't hold up, man. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's one of them. | ||
| It does not hold up. | ||
| But it was based on John Lilly. | ||
| That's how all the Van Damme movies were. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| When I was like, kickboxer, it changed my life, you know? | ||
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And I saw it a couple months ago, and I was like, what the fuck? | |
| So true! | ||
| Have you seen that little kid, before we get into the Century Deprivation tank, have you seen that little kid doing the Bruce Lee nunchuck scene? | ||
| Yeah, I saw that shit. | ||
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Holy shit! | |
| Fucking amazing. | ||
| Like four years old. | ||
| Pull this up. | ||
| We gotta watch this. | ||
| Look at this little kid. | ||
| He's wearing a Bruce Lee outfit from the Game of Death, and he's got nunchucks just like Bruce Lee's, and he's doing it in sync to Bruce Lee behind him. | ||
| That's the best part right there. | ||
| He's doing the total nunchuck move, skillful as fuck. | ||
| He's five years old, and he's doing everything exactly the way Bruce is doing it on the screen behind him. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| Like, first of all, this kid definitely can't read yet. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He's five. | ||
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No. | |
| He probably hasn't even been to school yet. | ||
| Maybe a little bit of kindergarten, you know? | ||
| Yeah, pre-K, maybe. | ||
| He's got no information in his head other than this Bruce Lee scene. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| And like... | ||
| And by the time that kid's 12, there will be 500 people in his life that tell him to be realistic and shoot down every imaginative thing that he has in his fucking head. | ||
| When I look at my kids, I love this. | ||
| This makes me really happy when I see that. | ||
| Yeah, me too, man. | ||
| Dana White posted this video the other day of a little girl hitting the mitts. | ||
| See if you can find that video on Dana White's Instagram. | ||
| It's this little girl. | ||
| She looks like she's maybe like six or seven years old and she's hitting the mitts and fucking technique is on point. | ||
| She's blocking and rolling and you know no kicks just punches but like God damn! | ||
| I remember when that Tap Out commercial came out a couple years ago and they had those two kids, the two little boys when they were doing all that shit. | ||
| This is the future. | ||
| Here's the video. | ||
| Watch this little girl. | ||
| This is dope! | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| This is fucking badass. | ||
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Look at the technique! | |
| Look at her footwork, the movement. | ||
| Look at the fucking ducking! | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| Every time she's throwing these punches, her hands are in the right position. | ||
| It's impressive. | ||
| I'm so impressed with this. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| You know, that girl's going to grow up to be a psycho. | ||
| You don't want to date her. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Don't date that one. | ||
| It needs to be some level of where the fight should stop, and you're like, okay. | ||
| I don't want the girl to be able to take it to the next level. | ||
| You're arguing, and she starts beating your ass. | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
| Yeah, like if you're dating Ronda Rousey, and she mounts you. | ||
| You're like, oh, listen, bitch. | ||
| You got to get off me. | ||
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No. | |
| Leave my arm alone! | ||
| So the sensory deprivation thing, to get back to that, the way he first did it was like a scuba helmet. | ||
| He came up with a way to hook up a scuba helmet with these underarm harnesses so that you're suspended by the air and the scuba helmet and it kind of floats your body. | ||
| And then eventually you forget about the scuba helmet. | ||
| And then somewhere along the lines he realized that if you just had water that was filled with salt, That you would just float in it, sort of like the Dead Sea. | ||
| You ever see those videos of the people that go to the Dead Sea? | ||
| No, I've heard about this. | ||
| I'm hoping you can explain it to me. | ||
| So you float on the salt. | ||
| So it's packed full of salt, but the salt is buoyant? | ||
| The salt is, as long as you continue to cycle the water, the water, my pump goes on every morning. | ||
| It's on a timer. | ||
| So I get 5 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| Sometimes I'm up real early and I'll hear... | ||
| Coming down from the basement and that's the pump kicking on automatically. | ||
| And the water cycles... | ||
| Through this series of filters is huge spa filters with like the way that guy crash down at the float lab in Venice is a Mad genius this guy has done like when he first came around I found out about him Through a guy who used to repair tanks for this company called Samadhi Samadhi is the first company that I bought a tank from and they were actually in business with Lily Lily's first tank one of his first tanks was a Samadhi There's | ||
| no sound. | ||
| No heat, no sound. | ||
| It keeps the heat stable and they're much taller. | ||
| His tanks are seven feet tall and six feet wide and nine feet long. | ||
| I mean, he's a master. | ||
| The guy just figured it out. | ||
| And so this pump kicks on and it goes through all the water, cycles all the water so the water doesn't crystallize. | ||
| Because if you let it sit, the salt will eventually crystallize. | ||
| And then I've done that before. | ||
| Accidentally, the power kicked off and I didn't know about it. | ||
| A circuit blew and I had these rocks, these giant like crystals in the water just because the salt it sort of congealed because there was no heat in it anymore to keep it warm. | ||
| But as long as the water keeps cycling and as long as the water stays at a high temperature, which is around, you want to keep it, mine's at 94 degrees, which is about the same as the surface of your skin. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So, then, when you lie in it, you don't feel the water, really, because the water's the same temperature as your skin. | ||
| That's the goal. | ||
| If it's too hot, you'll start to sweat. | ||
| If it's too cold, you'll feel cold. | ||
| But if you get it just in that Goldilocks zone, then once you relax, you don't feel the water. | ||
| And half of your body, like, say, like, if you cut a person in half from the top of their head, like, sideways, like, everything above your nipples is like, that's what it looks like right there. | ||
| Perfect example. | ||
| So, in this image that we're looking at right here, this guy's floating in the water, and it's just because of the salt. | ||
| Mine's a little bit bigger than this tank, so mine has a thousand pounds of salt in it. | ||
| It's all Epsom salts, too, which is really good for your body. | ||
| Like, when I'm real sore, I take Epsom salt baths. | ||
| They're great for you. | ||
| It's something about the amount of salt in your body. | ||
| Magnesium. | ||
| Yeah, because we use it to cut weight sometimes. | ||
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| The last couple ounces or pounds that you can't get out. | ||
| Also, if you drink it in water, you will shoot diarrhea out of your asshole in a way that you've probably never experienced in your life. | ||
| It's like a way of purging. | ||
| It's not really my top ten list of things I need to do, but all right. | ||
| Well, people do it. | ||
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If you're bored, you could shoot diarrhea out of your ass like nobody's business. | |
| It's like a way to do an enema. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You drink a little bit of... | ||
| I mean, it's not much. | ||
| It's like a couple of tablespoons and a glass of water. | ||
| And you just... | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| You just run to that bathroom. | ||
| There's something about that salt. | ||
| It just gets in there and scrubs the inside of your colon. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Anything that's stuck. | ||
| That's got to be pretty healthy, actually. | ||
| Maybe, maybe not. | ||
| It could be not good at all. | ||
| Have you done a colonic? | ||
| I haven't either. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I hear mixed things. | ||
| I'm sure people on Twitter will tell me now about how great it is or how awful it is. | ||
| There's another thing. | ||
| Somebody did that for the Ultimate Fighter to cut weight on one of the episodes. | ||
| Oh, that was Gabe Rudiger. | ||
| Yeah, he just probably wanted something up his ass. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know about that. | ||
| No, I'm just kidding, Gabe. | ||
| It's supposed to be good for you in some ways. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| Before we went on the show, before we started, Joe Rogan was talking about you gay. | ||
| He said that you're into shit like that. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Making shit up. | ||
| You're gay if you're into things in your ass. | ||
| Some dudes are straight as fuck. | ||
| They just like things in their ass. | ||
| It's up to you, folks. | ||
| It's all on you. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| No judgment. | ||
| But the colonic thing, I have a friend who did it and he said, dude, it's like the fucking pianos were coming out of my ass. | ||
| He goes, I was finding things that I ate when I was a kid. | ||
| He said there was a pipe that was coming out, like, you know, that's attached and you could see all the things that were coming out of your ass. | ||
| And like the lady was pointing out his diet and she was like, you know, oh, you need more fiber. | ||
| And he's like, those fucking tree trunks are coming out of his ass. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Bark and tennis balls. | ||
| It's just ridiculous. | ||
| And you're looking through a tube at this water with all the particles. | ||
| How much weight did he drop? | ||
| I don't think Gabe... | ||
| That's the thing about taking a shit. | ||
| Shits don't weigh that much. | ||
| Piss is way heavier. | ||
| If you have to take a league to gain weight... | ||
| We learned that in wrestling. | ||
| A guy took a shit and he was like, Dude, I just took a massive shit. | ||
| I bet he lost a pound. | ||
| It looks like an ounce. | ||
| Shit is not heavy for some strange reason. | ||
| But like, if you're sick and you have diarrhea or whatever, you'll end up dehydrated like a motherfucker. | ||
| You'd drop a lot of weight. | ||
| That's dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the ways people die from dehydration. | ||
| One of the primary ways people die from dehydration is diarrhea. | ||
| It's very dangerous. | ||
| Like certain diseases where people just get massive diarrhea, it's one of the causes of death. | ||
| It's because your body just gets so dehydrated, your electrolytes drop so low, your heart function doesn't work properly. | ||
| It's a shitty conversation. | ||
| It's a very shitty conversation. | ||
| He had a big smile on his face before he said that. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| He was setting it up. | ||
| I saw it coming. | ||
| It's a float lab. | ||
| The float lab. | ||
| What the tank does is, first of all, it's real relaxing. | ||
| Like, your muscles loosen up. | ||
| Because you're floating, you're like in that no-gravity state, like you saw in that picture. | ||
| Everything is like, you know, nothing's pulling on it. | ||
| Like, even here when we're sitting here, you know, gravity's pulling down your spine. | ||
| And there, everything seems to, like, lengthen up and relax. | ||
| And when I get out of it, I feel so loose. | ||
| I just feel just relaxed. | ||
| And the magnesium, the salt, absorbs into your skin. | ||
| And it's Epsom salt, so it's an excellent source of magnesium. | ||
| Really healthy for your body, for muscle growth and development. | ||
| And when you're in there, you don't have any influence of your body. | ||
| Sometimes you get like an itch, but that's really just your body fucking with you. | ||
| Because your body's like, hey, there's nothing going on here. | ||
| I don't feel anything. | ||
| My nose itches. | ||
| You start telling yourself, that's your mind fucking with you. | ||
| You know, you just start, don't scratch, whatever you do. | ||
| But so the idea is that, someone told me that it simulates the same feeling as being in the womb or something? | ||
| Yeah, I've heard that too. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| But if your mother's yelling at your father and smoking cigarettes, I bet it's different. | ||
| I think that, um... | ||
| What it does is it gives you a relaxation state that's unachievable without the tank. | ||
| Because there's no... | ||
| There's nothing touch... | ||
| It's an environment that is completely alien to the earth. | ||
| When you lie in that thing, you literally don't see anything. | ||
| You don't feel anything and you're floating, which means you feel like you're weightless. | ||
| You feel like you're flying. | ||
| It gives you the feeling, the impression of like moving through space, like you're flying through space. | ||
| It's real weird. | ||
| Right when you get in there, do you feel like different or is there like a panic that happens or like, you know? | ||
| You can. | ||
| Some people get a little claustrophobic, but you just gotta relax. | ||
| Nothing's gonna happen. | ||
| It's just like laying on the ground. | ||
| It's just the door. | ||
| The door doesn't have a latch. | ||
| You just push it. | ||
| It opens up easy. | ||
| I've done it so many times, I don't have the panic feeling anymore, but there's a weirdness to it, definitely. | ||
| You climb in there, and I squeegee it because there's always a little bit of condensation on the roof. | ||
| The inside ceiling rather of the tank. | ||
| So I squeegee that away. | ||
| Otherwise, it'll drip down your face while you're in there, which is annoying. | ||
| And then once I've done squeegeeing it, I shut the door. | ||
| I go, here we go. | ||
| I just lay back and float. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you will definitely, once you do it for a while, you will definitely have trippy experiences in there. | ||
| You definitely have like some sort of strange psychedelic experiences that happen. | ||
| But also... | ||
| Real good for sorting out things. | ||
| Like, say if you're like, man, I gotta get my shit together. | ||
| Let me go in there and think about my life. | ||
| You'll go in there and you'll go, you know, I gotta stop doing this. | ||
| Or I gotta stop hanging around with this person. | ||
| Or I gotta do more of that. | ||
| Or I'm slacking off in this area. | ||
| Like, it's almost like a seminar on your life. | ||
| And if I have, like, jujitsu moves, it's great for jujitsu moves. | ||
| Like, I'll drill jujitsu moves in my mind. | ||
| And the way I'll do it is... | ||
| I'll lie in the tank, and I'll go over positions as if they're happening in real life. | ||
| Like, I'll start off slow, and like, you know, like if you were doing like flow drilling or something like that, like I'll start off, like I'll, like say, for instance, I'll do like a half guard sweep. | ||
| Like, I'll start off in half guard, I'll scoop my hips to the side, I'll fight for the underhook, I'll get the grip, I'll pull the guy in, I'll trip the leg up, I sweep, I get on top. | ||
| And then I'll do it as if it was a drill, like if you're performing a drill, but I'll do it all completely in my head. | ||
| And I'll go over the motions first slowly and then I'll do it fast and then I'll go over and then I'll do it like I'll I'll recreate like the violence of it like the explosion of it in my head I'll recreate the resistance and then once I get like one drill down then I'll have counters to the drill like I'll go into it But I'll lose the position and now I have to you know reestablish another position and when you do that like that kind of mental training and Really shows up in the gym. | ||
| Like it really recreates in the gym. | ||
| And I would imagine it would be the same with striking. | ||
| I would imagine it would be the same with tennis, with anything. | ||
| I think they've shown that recreation and visualization is as much of a factor in the development and growth as actual training is. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Do you do stuff like that? | ||
| Yeah, I'm into that stuff a lot. | ||
| Well, I know you're working with Vinny Shorman there, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Vinny's gonna come on the podcast. | ||
| I've been talking to Ian about it. | ||
| We're gonna work this out. | ||
| Yeah, he's coming to... | ||
| In June, he's gonna be here for a couple weeks doing, like, seminars and stuff, so... | ||
| Yeah, you were saying the last time you were here that he helped you. | ||
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| Like, what do you guys do? | ||
| Like, and how often do you do it? | ||
| We've done a lot of stuff. | ||
| And then now it's like, it seems to be... | ||
| Every time I talk to him, it's like a new thing that he comes up with. | ||
| He's helped me so much in my life that I don't even know if it's even about fighting anymore. | ||
| He's done hypnosis on me. | ||
| He's gotten me to the point now where we call it trance, it's not even hypnosis, but he can start talking to me a certain way and I'm already in a different thing. | ||
| When I get off the phone with him, My mind's just going insane based off the conversations we had. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| It's an amazing guy. | ||
| Really good guy. | ||
| I can't wait to talk to him. | ||
| The mind is a motherfucker, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| So that stuff you were just talking about right now is... | ||
| It's really interesting to me. | ||
| I've done that with my fights, you know, like, you know, watching a fight, you know, if, how do I explain it, even like blocking leg kicks, you know, when you can visualize it happening and your reaction to it, you know, in your head without actually seeing it, or without actually doing it, I think it plays it out to be so real. | ||
| Ah, it's a good example. | ||
| So, one thing we do is, I'll focus when I when I sign a fighter we get booked for a certain date about four or five weeks out All the time when I wake up in the morning when I'm sitting on the toilet anytime I'm alone I'll I'll think about 15 minutes after I've won the fight 15 minutes after I'm thinking As high-def as possible. | ||
| The first time I'm doing it, it's not very high-def. | ||
| By the end, it's so real. | ||
| I can smell the room. | ||
| I can feel the chair I'm sitting in. | ||
| I can see my coaches' faces, who else is in there, what they're saying to me, how I feel about myself. | ||
| The idea behind it is if If you focus on 15 minutes after you've won, and you do it over a period of time, it becomes so real in your head that it's like it already happened. | ||
| And if it's already happened, how could you possibly have anxiety about something that your mind thinks already happened, you know? | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| But is there a possibility that... | ||
| You know that feeling that you get... | ||
| I don't know if you've experienced this I'm probably you probably have where you didn't get up for a fight because you thought that you're gonna kick this guy's ass pretty easy So you weren't nervous and then when you got in there you felt like off like you didn't you weren't Performing the way like you would be like say if you fought a guy like Artem Levin who you know top of the food chain You're you're gonna be on your toes, you know, you're gonna be ready Whereas you're going in there, you're like, I'm gonna kick this fucking guy's ass. | ||
| And you go in there, and it just seems like, damn, I'm not firing right. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| The alleviation of anxiety is like a negative in some way? | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I think that it could be. | ||
| I think that what you're talking about is something that Vinny's ultimately helped me with a lot. | ||
| Because my problem is... | ||
| One of my problems... | ||
| I have so many problems. | ||
| One big problem is I always do poorly in that situation. | ||
| When I'm the favorite, I have a hard time. | ||
| It's not that I don't train hard for it. | ||
| It's just something about I'm that guy that rises to the occasion. | ||
| The three fights in one night where it's three rematches and two guys beat you, and that's when I do really well. | ||
| No one expects you to win is when I really rise to the occasion. | ||
| When people start telling me that it's an easy fight or that I'm the favorite or whatever, I just really try and shut that out and try and convince myself that he's gonna kill me and he's a really bad guy. | ||
| I don't know if it's about not getting up for the fight or if it's... | ||
| If it's, you know, you just take the guy lightly or what it is, but I've always had issues with that in the past. | ||
| A lot of people have issues with that. | ||
| Taking a guy lightly is a huge problem, and it's real common. | ||
| And you see it in a fight, like maybe when a guy's the favorite. | ||
| Like, I'm not necessarily saying that this was the case in the Cub Swanson-Max Holloway fight. | ||
| Did you see that fight? | ||
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| Great fucking fight. | ||
| Max Holloway, man, that motherfucker looked good in that fight. | ||
| Goddamn, it was an amazing performance by Holloway. | ||
| But Cub Swanson was a big favorite leading into that fight, and he just couldn't get off. | ||
| Just did not seem like he'd get off. | ||
| And I think there was probably a few issues with the way he was training. | ||
| He was doing a lot of boxing-specific training, and he even had a famous boxing coach. | ||
| I forget his name, Diaz, in his corner. | ||
| Pedro Diaz? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that's the guy from Miami? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, this was the guy that trains Tim Bradley. | ||
| He works with a lot of... | ||
| I forget. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Point is, the guy was giving him, like, boxing instruction in the corner, and I'm like, he's dealing with a guy that's kicking him, throwing elbows and flying knees and spinning back kicks his way. | ||
| Like, what the f... | ||
| You know, like, this is... | ||
| You got the wrong guy here, man. | ||
| You need a fucking Matt Hume-type character that's telling you, like, MMA-specific shit to do. | ||
| So there's probably some technical issues with the way he approached the fight, but also it just didn't seem like, if you saw him against other fighters, like Jeremy Stevens, who's a fucking murderer, you know, he's a murderer, he's fighting another murderer, these two guys are dangerous as fuck, you know, he is sharp as shit, because it's just a deadly, dangerous fight. | ||
| Whereas Max Holloway... | ||
| You know, he had beaten some real good guys, but he was thought to be like a notch below Cub, and Cub just couldn't fucking put it together. | ||
| And, you know, you gotta say, well, it was definitely a case of Holloway rising to the occasion, fought better than he ever fought before. | ||
| You can't take nothing away from him. | ||
| But when you look at Cub, it just didn't look right. | ||
| It just couldn't... | ||
| And you've got to wonder how much of that is, him coming into that fight as a prohibited favorite. | ||
| I think he was a 3-4-1 favorite. | ||
| Well, it's like one guy is, you know, this is my big shot, this is everything. | ||
| He's focused on it 100%. | ||
| The other guy is like, oh, this is another fight. | ||
| It's still a serious fight. | ||
| I know I still have to take it seriously, but the other guy is going for greatness. | ||
| It's a weird balancing act. | ||
| So much of fighting is mental. | ||
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It's... | |
| You can have a phenomenal camp in that last two hours before you walk out there. | ||
| It can blow it all. | ||
| That's why I work with Vinny. | ||
| We're always finding new things to work on. | ||
| I'm far from perfect, but I feel like my game has come a long way since I started working with him. | ||
| Yeah, I really think, we discussed this, I really think that mental coach is going to be just as important as having a striking coach, just as important as having a grappling coach. | ||
| I mean, you're going to have to have a mental coach. | ||
| It's going to be, just like guys have strength and conditioning guys, you know, that they work with on a regular basis, you're going to have some sort of a mental coach that you work with on a regular basis. | ||
| I think it's going to be a really, you know, it's going to be the next big thing here pretty soon. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| I hope it doesn't, though. | ||
| I hope I stick to just me. | ||
| No one else uses it. | ||
| Well, I would wonder if someone could do it where they have a microphone that pumps into a tank, where you lie in the sensory deprivation tank and it's mic'd up, which would be very easy to do. | ||
| And as you're lying in there, like, Crash has developed this system. | ||
| Where he actually has a screen that's in front of you as you lie down. | ||
| So as you're floating, the screen is floating above your head. | ||
| And it's so low in its light emissions that you can't see the edge. | ||
| You don't see the border of the screen. | ||
| You just see the images. | ||
| But because you're in an environment that has no light in it at all other than the screen, it's like these images are floating in the sky in front of your face. | ||
| And in doing so, he believes because you have no distractions, like no physical distractions, you're not feeling the weight, you're not feeling gravity, you're not feeling sensory input, you're not judging space around you, you're just getting the images, you'll learn things quicker. | ||
| Because your body will have no resources that it's demanding of the mind. | ||
| What's on the screen? | ||
| Different documentaries, different instructionals. | ||
| He's got one that they're working with. | ||
| I think his idea is that sports-specific stuff, like golf, I'm just going to lay in there and do like straight BJJ stuff for like a week. | ||
| Work on your half guard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Work on the get-ups. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I want you to come down to 10th Planet and learn some shit from Eddie Bravo, too, with your long legs. | ||
| I'd love to. | ||
| Like, learning some guard stuff. | ||
| Even just learning how to hold on to guys in a way where they can't hit you and they're not going to be able to get up. | ||
| You'll get stand-ups better. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Which is a legit strategy in MMA, as long as they have stand-ups. | ||
| I don't agree with stand-ups. | ||
| I honestly think they should be removed from fighting, because I think that if you're going to have MMA, if you've got a guy that can hold you down for five minutes, that's what it is. | ||
| In five minutes from now, you're going to be able to get up, and every fight starts, every round starts standing. | ||
| So you think that people should win fights based on not fighting? | ||
| No. | ||
| But my... | ||
| I just don't think that you should win a fight, but your goal in the fight is just to nullify the fight. | ||
| If I can stop this fight from happening for three five-minute rounds, then I win. | ||
| I understand what you're saying, but I think that if a guy can take you down and hold you and control you, he's kicking your ass. | ||
| Even if he's not beating you up the way you would beat a guy up, if you had your druthers, you'd force guys to stand with you and you'd light them up. | ||
| You have a giant advantage over 99.9% of the planet in MMA when it comes to kickboxing. | ||
| Your ideal world is get these guys to just stand with you. | ||
| Hey, let's just make an agreement. | ||
| Fuck shooting. | ||
| No takedowns. | ||
| Let's just throw. | ||
| You know, you're gonna have a giant advantage. | ||
| And so other guys would say, let's just make an agreement. | ||
| No kickboxing. | ||
| Let's just see who's the better grappler. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| But for a guy like Ben Askren, that would be a really good agreement, right? | ||
| Because he could take down most guys he fights. | ||
| Ben Askren gets a hold of guys like Douglas Lima, a fucking killer kickboxer, dangerous motherfucker. | ||
| Ben Askren just ragdolls him, ragdolls him, tosses him to the ground, and can do that consistently. | ||
| So for a guy like that... | ||
| Why would a guy like that want to stand up? | ||
| He could grab ahold of you, and you can't stop him from taking you down. | ||
| If you watch some of Askren's fights, by the time it gets to the third and fourth round, his opponents are like, fuck! | ||
| This guy's gonna take me down again, and I can't do shit! | ||
| Well, that's a fight. | ||
| I mean, he is fighting, but he's fighting you his way. | ||
| He doesn't have the kind of snap to his punches or kicks that you do. | ||
| He doesn't have the kind of arsenal of attacks when it comes to striking that a guy like you does. | ||
| But when it comes to holding motherfuckers down and giving them noogies, punching them in the face, and they can't do shit about it, that's his world. | ||
| And I think for fighting to be realistic, you've got to have guys like that as well. | ||
| Like, a lot of people didn't like Matt Brown and Johnny Hendricks, the last fight. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| I didn't love it because I wanted Matt Brown to lose. | ||
| I loved it from a technical standpoint because you've got a guy like Johnny Hendricks, who is a decorated All-American wrestler, and it just shows you. | ||
| This is what happens when you fight a high-level wrestler like Hendricks. | ||
| It's on point. | ||
| The motherfucker's gonna take you down whenever he wants to, and he's gonna be on top, and you're gonna be eating shit sandwiches. | ||
| And that's just the way it goes. | ||
| And that's a real fight. | ||
| If you want to fight in MMA, that's a real fight. | ||
| Now, if Hendrix and Matt Brown fought in a Muay Thai fight, it'd be a completely different fight. | ||
| If Hendrix couldn't shoot for the takedown whenever he was in trouble, and he got stuck, or especially, forget Muay Thai, glory rules, where you can only grapple for five seconds, or you can only clinch for five seconds, then you've got a completely different fight. | ||
| And then you've got a fight where Matt Brown's just throwing elbows and kicks and knees and punches, and just keeps coming at you. | ||
| He's not afraid to throw a flying knee, because he's not worried about getting taken down. | ||
| He's not worried about just blasting you with leg kicks, because you can't grab his legs. | ||
| You can't trip him and throw him down and get on top of him. | ||
| You can only kickbox with him. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| But I think that if you take the guy down and you just lay on top of him, that it's somebody's responsibility for the love of God and the fans to do something and stand him up. | ||
| Or like, you know, my last fight, you know, the referee's like, you guys got improved position or I'm going to stand you up. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Yeah, stand me up, bitch. | ||
| I'm going to stand you up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're going to stand you up. | ||
| And I'm like, are you going to fucking stand us up or not? | ||
| You know, he's clenching against the fence. | ||
| I mean, I think I agree with you. | ||
| And that's, I mean, the way I obviously have to look at it is that I have to be able to stop him from doing that. | ||
| I mean, that's the reality is I can't allow these guys to continuously do this because let's face it, that's what people are going to do. | ||
| But I think that on the scorecards, if one guy gets dropped and then lays on top of you for three minutes, and then, you know, who wins that round? | ||
| The guy that drops the other guy clean with a punch or the one that lays on top? | ||
| You're talking about your specific fight. | ||
| My specific fight. | ||
| Yeah, well, if you want to judge damage... | ||
| I mean, mine's the only one that matters, Joe. | ||
| Especially that one, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you want to judge damage, for sure you won that round. | ||
| And you won that fight if you want to judge damage. | ||
| But the problem is they don't just judge damage. | ||
| They also judge control. | ||
| He didn't do anything to you once he got you down. | ||
| I mean, he stayed active, but there was no moments where, like, you were in trouble. | ||
| The moment where you hit him and dropped him was the most significant moment of that fight by far, because the dude's consciousness was wobbled, his fucking legs gave out, he was on Queer Street, he was in deep shit, but he was able to clinch up with you and was able to turn into a grappling match and survive. | ||
| So when you look at it damage-wise, yeah, that was the closest to him losing consciousness, for sure. | ||
| But MMA is about a bunch of shit. | ||
| It's about controlling the moments. | ||
| See, I personally think that Pride had it right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think they had the best rules. | ||
| I like the yellow cards. | ||
| I don't like... | ||
| I don't like fighters being punished financially. | ||
| I don't agree with the yellow cards as far as taking 10% of your purse. | ||
| I think that's bullshit. | ||
| But I do think that some stalling, like if guys are just running away and they're not doing something, you should be able to penalize them maybe a percentage of a point. | ||
| Like maybe instead of a full point deduction, maybe it's a percentage of a point and all that. | ||
| Because I think the scoring system, 10-point scoring system is retarded. | ||
| The only reason it exists is because it exists for boxing. | ||
| And it kind of works for boxing. | ||
| It's a good system for boxing. | ||
| But when you have MMA and you're dealing with takedowns, submission attempts, kicks, punches, elbows, knees, I mean... | ||
| Most people, if you don't know, if you've never watched Muay Thai, Muay Thai is judged very different than MMA and very different than boxing. | ||
| Like, the clinch in Muay Thai is very important. | ||
| Controlling the clinch is one of the most important things. | ||
| Kicks are judged very highly in Muay Thai. | ||
| I think the problem with Muay Thai in the U.S. is that it's refereed by Steve Mazzagati and other people that do, you know, the same guys. | ||
| Like, if you watch a Muay Thai fight in Thailand, the referee actually knows what's going on in the clinch. | ||
| And if there's not shit going on in the clinch, they break you. | ||
| But Steve Mazzagati will let you hold on me when I fought Simon. | ||
| I was talking to Steve. | ||
| Like, Steve, are you going to break us? | ||
| And he would just hold me against the rope for a long, long, long period of time. | ||
| And he does that consistently. | ||
| You need like a Paulo Tocha guy or something like that. | ||
| Like someone who's been... | ||
| Maybe not him. | ||
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No, not Paulo Tocha. | |
| You know what I'm saying. | ||
| Next topic. | ||
| He's always been nice to me. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying, like someone who's maybe competed in Muay Thai, someone who's been around for a long time, someone understands Muay Thai. | ||
| I mean, I think that goes in anything. | ||
| The people that are judging and the people that are refereeing in any sport should know what the hell they're doing. | ||
| Unquestionably. | ||
| That's important in any sport. | ||
| I might sit here and complain about my fight. | ||
| I really don't care. | ||
| Who was the referee? | ||
| Beltran. | ||
| Yeah, he's good. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| Mike's good. | ||
| Mike's very good. | ||
| But three judges, three different scorecards. | ||
| Mmm, that's a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The one deciding scorecard, all three rounds to my opponent. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, it doesn't make sense. | ||
| That's incorrect. | ||
| What frustrates me about that situation is, like, I have to look at my record and deal with it. | ||
| I have to deal with the consequences pay-wise, sponsor-wise, whatever, you know, if I don't do my job. | ||
| Regardless of anybody else. | ||
| If I don't do my job, there's consequences. | ||
| And all of the athletic commissions on a regular basis, there's constantly mistakes and there's constantly people not doing their jobs correctly and there's no consequences for them. | ||
| There's never anything but the fighter that has to deal with it. | ||
| Manny Pacquiao's fight with Timothy Bradley. | ||
| What was the consequence to that? | ||
| Well, one of the women who was a very controversial judge in that stopped judging because of that fight. | ||
| And there was one other fight that she judged as well where there was a lot of speculation about... | ||
| Whether or not there was corruption involved or just incompetence, which is just speculation. | ||
| No one knows. | ||
| But she had a series of really ridiculous scorecards on championship-level fights. | ||
| Where you're like, what the fuck? | ||
| First of all, especially in boxing. | ||
| Boxing has been around for fucking hundreds of years. | ||
| We're not talking about MMA, where there's just really not that many people that are really good practitioners and all the various martial arts that understand all the different positions. | ||
| When you watch in boxing, it's pretty goddamn clear-cut. | ||
| There's punching, there's movement, there's defense. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Like this Floyd and Mayweather fight. | ||
| What did you think about that fight? | ||
| I thought it was exactly what I thought was going to happen. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| And I'm not the person that hates... | ||
| What drives me nuts is how many people have no clue about boxing and are all over the internet now complaining and saying their side of the story. | ||
| The fact is Mayweather is the best in the world of defense and not getting hit and hitting you and not getting hit. | ||
| And the reason this fight was so interesting to everybody is they thought that Manny Pacquiao was going to do something different than what had happened in 48 other Mayweather's fights. | ||
| And it didn't happen and everyone's pissed off at Mayweather about it. | ||
| It's like, that's the same shit he's done his whole career. | ||
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What? | |
| You should be mad at Pacquiao. | ||
| But the scorecards were messed up. | ||
| They mismarked the scorecards. | ||
| You saw this? | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, they... | ||
| They thought that Mayweather was in the blue corner or the red corner or whatever. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, they came out and they still gave it to Mayweather. | ||
| They had the scores correctly, but it was marked red versus blue. | ||
| It's on the internet. | ||
| Oh, so they marked the wrong corner, but they were still judging for Mayweather. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's a lot of fucking shitty people that are involved in every sport. | ||
| You're always going to have that. | ||
| There's definitely a lot of shitty boxing judges. | ||
| I just think that having a shitty boxing judge is almost less excusable than having a shitty MMA judge because there are so many fucking boxing fans. | ||
| There are so many guys that have been doing it for so long. | ||
| And if you listen to, like, Harold Letterman on HBO, I very rarely disagree with that guy. | ||
| I listen to his scorecards. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| I hear what he's saying. | ||
| You know, the same Steve Farhood. | ||
| Is that the guy's name that does it for Showtime? | ||
| I think. | ||
| I think that's his name. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| The Showtime guys, same thing. | ||
| They disagree on a round or two here or there, but their points are on... | ||
| They know boxing. | ||
| They understand what the fuck is happening. | ||
| They're appreciating everything that's going down while you're watching a fight. | ||
| You're telling me you can't find nine, ten of those guys that only judge championship fights? | ||
| Those are the only guys ever. | ||
| Here's the list. | ||
| These are the best in the world. | ||
| At judging boxing, when you have a boxing match, these are the only guys that should be able to judge. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| There's a reason there's three judges. | ||
| It's because if one of you makes a mistake, the other two will fix it. | ||
| But to have three judges have three completely different scorecards, what are we doing here? | ||
| You know what I think we should do, too? | ||
| Because of the fact that we have the internet today, I think there should be a panel of experts that you just have that are floating online. | ||
| Like, say, like, you know, pick out a bunch of guys, like a guy from Bloody Elbow, a guy from SB Nation, a guy from Sure Dog. | ||
| Have, like, a bunch of guys who are real, legit fans, journalists, guys who have been doing it for a long time, and have that be, like, a fourth judge. | ||
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| Like, say if you're in a situation where you got a close fight, have the three people calling at ringside, and then the one group of people that agree online. | ||
| Say maybe 80% of them agree that this guy won. | ||
| And that should count in the scoring system. | ||
| I think having three people is not enough people. | ||
| I think you should have a bunch of people that judge a fight. | ||
| And then you get to a point where it's like, okay, you could question, or you're going to... | ||
| What do you call it? | ||
| Like, appeal the decision or whatever. | ||
| Nobody ever wins, though. | ||
| Nobody ever wins, but the reason they don't win is the same reason why the police never get charged with murder when they kill people. | ||
| It's because they protect their own. | ||
| The head of the athletic commission writes you a letter and says, yes, you made valid points, but we need to support Our people, because they don't want to say that our guy screwed up. | ||
| So the fighter has to eat it. | ||
| That is a real issue. | ||
| And that's messed up. | ||
| It should be some sort of... | ||
| If you make a mistake, you have to pay for the consequences or own up to it. | ||
| But it's like when the judges or the athletic commission makes a mistake, it's the fighter that suffers from it. | ||
| It has to deal with the consequences. | ||
| I just think it's wrong. | ||
| There was a real issue with that with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. | ||
| They ousted the Athletic Commission chamber. | ||
| The head of the Athletic Commission is gone. | ||
| One of my fights, I got swept what was questionably an illegal sweep, and I got slammed on my head, and the referee didn't see it, and let me stand up walking the wrong way, and then I got teed off on. | ||
| And they called it a knockout. | ||
| And I appealed to the athletic commission. | ||
| I had three different videos with footage of showing that it was an illegal sweep and that the referee wasn't paying attention. | ||
| It was like, no way, I'm not winning this one. | ||
| And Kaiser wrote us a letter saying, you know, although you made very good points, we need to support our athletic commission. | ||
| And nothing happened. | ||
| Yeah, he's the dude that wasn't gonna bring him up by name. | ||
| I don't think he's a bad guy either, but Kizer's a politician, you know, and that's why he got ousted. | ||
| And then my next fight, I score a knockdown and a jab in the first round, and then the scorecards come out, and two of the judges didn't count the knockdown. | ||
| It just didn't count the eight... | ||
| The eight point must system. | ||
| What? | ||
| He won by one, or I lost, he won by one point. | ||
| It was like, where's the, I forget what the score was, but there was no way he could have scored that many points if they would count the knockdown. | ||
| That was in Nevada. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of shady shit going on when it comes to judging. | ||
| Just the idea that, what drives me crazy is the idea that someone who is not a practitioner, doesn't understand what's happening, has never really been punched in the face probably their whole life, can judge a pro kickboxing bout. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Like, how'd that guy get that gig? | ||
| Especially jujitsu and MMA. Because if you don't understand what the fuck... | ||
| Like, say if a fight goes to the ground and the guy on the bottom is threatening with submissions and the referee, or the judge rather, doesn't score it for him because he doesn't understand how close the guy was to getting tapped. | ||
| Yeah, the guy on the bottom has a knee bar, but he's on the bottom, or an ankle lock, or whatever it is. | ||
| But he's on the bottom, but he's almost got it, you know, and the guy's wincing in pain, but he's on top. | ||
| But the other... | ||
| All they can see is the guy's ass from the other side. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| So that guy wins the round because he held you about him for two rounds. | ||
| Well, we had a fight for those judges to get screens, for them to get monitors to watch the fights. | ||
| Yeah, I asked you about that last time. | ||
| That's really important. | ||
| Yeah, we had a fight for that. | ||
| That was big. | ||
| Because I'll tell you, man, I don't see a lot of shit that's happening, and I'm fucking as close as anybody alive. | ||
| I'm right there. | ||
| I'm touching the floor next to the cage with my hands while the fight's going on, and sometimes I can't see shit. | ||
| Well, it's 30 feet across through the inside of the cage, right? | ||
| I think the cage is too big, too. | ||
| We used to use a smaller one for the WEC and for the hard rock fights. | ||
| We used to do fights at the hard rock and we'd be in a smaller cage. | ||
| I like that one better. | ||
| I think it forces guys. | ||
| I mean, you can still move. | ||
| It's not like you're fighting in a phone booth, but the idea that you could literally run. | ||
| I mean, you could sprint away from a guy in the octagon. | ||
| It's so big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they're greedy. | ||
| Don't they want more seats in the arena? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just shrink that bitch up, put some more fucking seats. | ||
| Why do they do it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Maybe it looks more grand or something like that. | ||
| I really don't understand it. | ||
| The smaller cage is plenty big. | ||
| It's still really big. | ||
| I think the Bellator cage is smaller. | ||
| I think yours is 30. I think ours is 25. What do you want to say? | ||
| Bellator's better? | ||
| I think Bellator's better. | ||
| What do you think about this Reebok sponsorship shit that's going down? | ||
| This is a big deal right now in MMA that Reebok is the official sponsor for the UFC. Fighters can't have independent sponsors when they walk into the cage now. | ||
| And financially, it seems to be a huge disaster for the fighters. | ||
| I think that I'm glad I fight for Bellator and you can sponsor me for Bellator if you'd like. | ||
| And do you have management that they can contact for said sponsorship? | ||
| You can contact Michael Kogan. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| He told me to say hello to you. | ||
| Oh, tell me what's up. | ||
| Yeah, I think whenever you see these guys complaining and talking about the difference in the amount of pay that they're getting, that's not good. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| All that stuff had to be worked out, I think, should have been worked out in advance. | ||
| It's great to have a big sponsor like Reebok involved, but not if the fighters have to suffer. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's just when it came out, it was... | ||
| I think everyone kind of saw this coming. | ||
| Tim Kennedy did a tweet today, and he said he was getting $2,500 or something for his... | ||
| And that's the only sponsor that you're allowed to have, you know? | ||
| Well, Brennan Schaub said he would be getting $10,000, but every single fight that he had before this, he was getting more than... | ||
| He was getting six figures, is what he said. | ||
| So, I mean, at least $100,000. | ||
| I don't know how much six figures could mean as much as $900,000. | ||
| For every fight. | ||
| So six figures for every fight and then now he's making 10 grand. | ||
| That's a big hit. | ||
| Yeah, it's huge. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| And it's based off the ranking, you know, so I guess if Chris Weidman is going to get more money than that. | ||
| Well, even the champs get 40 grand. | ||
| The champs, the best guys in the world get 40 grand. | ||
| That doesn't seem like enough to me. | ||
| No, it doesn't seem right. | ||
| Look, I'm not a businessman. | ||
| I'd be the shittiest businessman in the world. | ||
| If I owned the UFC, the UFC would probably be filing for bankruptcy right now. | ||
| I would never have gotten it to where it is. | ||
| I would never have done any of the smart moves that these guys have done. | ||
| I'm an idiot when it comes to business. | ||
| I just don't like when I see fighters suffering financially. | ||
| I don't like it at all. | ||
| It's just a really weird thing. | ||
| It's great for Bellator and the guys at Bellator because all of those sponsors that can no longer sponsor in the UFC. Got to go somewhere in June and July. | ||
| What do you think about a fighter's union? | ||
| I mean, I was going back and forth with John Fitch about that today. | ||
| And John Fitch, actually, he posted something. | ||
| Let me pull it up. | ||
| I was really surprised to tell what an intelligent guy John Fitch is. | ||
| I saw some of the videos he posted of him talking politics. | ||
| I was like, God, I wish I could speak that well. | ||
| Yeah, he's a very smart dude. | ||
| I posted something about MMA being illegal in New York. | ||
| There was an article that was posted about New York being the corruption capital of America. | ||
| More corruption in New York than anywhere else. | ||
| And when I posted it, John Fitch said, He said, no. | ||
| The reason MMA is illegal in New York is because of Zufa's treatment of employees, both fighters and hotel workers, which is not really true. | ||
| Even if you disagree with the way UFC treats fighters or hotel workers. | ||
| And when they say hotel workers, they don't mean like... | ||
| I recant my intelligent comment. | ||
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I'm just kidding. | |
| I think he's just saying that because he's upset. | ||
| I don't think he's not happy with the way a lot of things went down. | ||
| I think it's old school boxing politics. | ||
| It is, 100%. | ||
| It's the Boxing Commission in New York. | ||
| They have no other athletic commission as far as kickboxing. | ||
| They don't sanction kickboxing there either. | ||
| They have... | ||
| You know, their own sanctioning body that's not a state-run thing in New York. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So there's no... | ||
| You know, the benefit of having an athletic commission as a fighter is that you're guaranteed to get paid. | ||
| You're guaranteed to have health insurance for the fight if you get hurt or whatnot. | ||
| And when it's not through the state, you know, the IKF, the... | ||
| Any letters you want to put together, you don't have that same confidence. | ||
| In New York, it's only boxing. | ||
| You have the WKA when you fight in New York, and a lot of states that are too small to have the athletic commission. | ||
| Boxing has been huge in New York for eternity, and that's what they want. | ||
| It's also the culinary union. | ||
| The culinary union, when he was talking about hotel workers, what he's talking about is the culinary, the UFC, this is the long and short of it, the UFC is owned by Zufa. | ||
| Zufa also owns, the people that own Zufa also own station casinos. | ||
| They own 20 plus casinos in Vegas and they're non-union. | ||
| The employees voted for them to be non-union. | ||
| The union wanted to turn union because if it was union, they'd make somewhere around $15 million a year just from the station casinos. | ||
| So they've had this campaign for years to try to get the UFC to acquiesce and become union casino, station casino, union casino. | ||
| So they have this smear campaign against the UFC. And so that's what he's saying. | ||
| When he's saying hotel workers, that's what he means. | ||
| He doesn't mean like the UFC shows up and starts beating up hotel workers. | ||
| How does he know all this stuff? | ||
| That's amazing to me. | ||
| Tim Kennedy, my Twitter got hacked yesterday. | ||
| He can say that without any irony whatsoever. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I love Tim Kennedy. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| So John Fitch posted about this thing, MMAFA, Mixed Martial Arts Fighters Association. | ||
| MMAFA is on Twitter. | ||
| There's, I guess, a guy named Rob Macy, M-A-Y-S-E-Y. He must be in charge of it. | ||
| And I don't think it's a bad idea to have some sort of an organization that looks out for... | ||
| For fighters and I also think that it's it's super important to have something like Bellator like that is owned by Viacom that starts to come up in the public's consciousness and become bigger and bigger and Have more competition. | ||
| Yeah, I think competition is it's the best The only way you get a fight like Manny Pacquiao versus Floyd Mayweather is you have two bad motherfuckers who are on rival promotions, they get together, and Showtime and HBO both got together and said, listen, let's make some money. | ||
| Let's put this fucking thing together. | ||
| These are the two biggest fighters in the world. | ||
| You're gonna make 4.5 million pay-per-view buys. | ||
| I mean, that's fucking insane. | ||
| At a hundred bucks. | ||
| At a hundred bucks. | ||
| And nothing like that exists in MMA. And if Bellator had a champion, If you become champion at Bellator at 185 pounds and it builds up where you're knocking dudes dead and then whoever is in the UFC at the same time, Weidman or Vitor or Jacare or whoever the fuck it is, if it builds up In the public's consciousness, like, this fight has to happen. | ||
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It has to take place. | |
| Well, the UFC did with Pride years ago, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, sort of. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| Tried to, didn't really work. | ||
| I mean, they tried to make an agreement with Pride. | ||
| And, you know, the UFC sent Chuck Liddell over there. | ||
| And then, you know, Pride was supposed to send some fighters over here, but it never happened. | ||
| They brought over Vanderlei. | ||
| And Vanderlei and Chuck, you know, had that stare down, the octagon. | ||
| But it wasn't until years later, when Pride was purchased by the UFC, that the fighters actually came over. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was mostly some Japanese fuckery. | ||
| I heard there's a lot of fuckery back then. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of slickness. | ||
| Those guys are slick. | ||
| I mean, not in a good way, but they made a lot of money doing that. | ||
| You know what the whole Pride UFC thing happened? | ||
| Do you know the story behind it? | ||
| The UFC purchased Pride for $65 million. | ||
| When they got it, they realized that all their contracts were invalid. | ||
| They were all illegal. | ||
| All they had was a library. | ||
| They essentially had a library of DVDs and tapes, which, good luck making $65 million off of that. | ||
| And so then they tried to sell it or tried to sue them, and that didn't really... | ||
| Work I mean good luck trying to sue someone in Japan, right? | ||
| You know you gotta keep flying over to Japan every couple weeks for court dates and yeah, and on top of that just good extension Yeah, while they were While they bought pride they were gonna keep the pride office open and have like, you know They were gonna start running pride events in Japan and they realize how much How hard it is to do. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| It's not like you would do an event in New Mexico. | ||
| It's a totally different country. | ||
| They have completely different laws, completely different customs. | ||
| And the people that were working for them, while they had an office running, the people who were working for them started putting together Dream. | ||
| So then they put together their own MMA organization and started putting on their own fights. | ||
| It's fucking chaos. | ||
| So they just had bad contracts? | ||
| Or the contract just was legally shit? | ||
| That's why Fedor never came to the UFC initially. | ||
| The reason why Fedor wasn't a part of the Pride deals, the contracts were dogshit. | ||
| There was nothing there. | ||
| And that was probably a big, Fedor's probably a big reason behind buying Pride. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| How could you not want Fedor to come over? | ||
| I mean, they tried hard to get Fedor. | ||
| A lot of people don't realize how hard they tried. | ||
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It was like, yeah, if UFC fucking cared about putting on the right fights, they would have had Fedor come over. | |
| M1 Global, who are the people that promote Fedor, they wanted to have co-promotion rights with the UFC. But the problem is, there's no promotion there. | ||
| It's just the management team of Fedor. | ||
| They wouldn't really be promoting anything. | ||
| They would just be glomming on. | ||
| So the UFC offered them a big percentage of the pay-per-view buys, a large chunk of money you would get when Fedor fights. | ||
| They wanted to be co-promotion. | ||
| They wanted to be the UFC and M1 Global. | ||
| Who the fuck is M1 Global? | ||
| Nobody knows what that is. | ||
| They put like three shows on it. | ||
| Yeah, you're not talking about like Showtime and HBO or like Bob Arum and, you know, and Golden Boy Productions, two established companies. | ||
| You're talking about one company that fucking no one knows and one company that's the NFL of MMA. So it didn't make any sense. | ||
| They offered him a fuckload of money and then Dana always said, listen, you guys gotta realize that this guy can lose and if he loses, this ain't worth shit. | ||
| Like, as soon as he loses, this is not worth anything. | ||
| And then he goes to Strikeforce, and then Verdum triangles him, wraps him up, taps him out, and like, that's it. | ||
| Everything just got weird. | ||
| And then after that, Bigfoot beats the fuck out of him. | ||
| And then after that, Henderson KOs him. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There goes your big money. | ||
| It all went away. | ||
| And there goes the dreams, man. | ||
| The fucking fights that could have been with that guy in the UFC would have been amazing. | ||
| But, that's how it goes. | ||
| Japanese fuckery. | ||
| Japanese fuckery. | ||
| Apparently, the way they do business is, a lot of them will say, we will get together and have a meeting, and we are interested in selling pride. | ||
| And then, you know, then they get together, and everyone gets really excited, and there's all this publicity, and they go, oh, we changed our mind, but we have a big event next week. | ||
| And then they put on this big event, and now they have all this publicity because the UFC is going to buy pride, and then they have the... | ||
| Put on this fucking gigantic show. | ||
| It's very clever. | ||
| They just have a different way of approaching things. | ||
| Did anybody ever figure out what the microphone was about? | ||
| Why did they have the headset? | ||
| Why did the referee have a headset? | ||
| So he could talk. | ||
| Jale's son had made some accusations about it. | ||
| Oh, he was saying that the... | ||
| It was fake. | ||
| Yeah, he was just fucking with fighters. | ||
| I know, but he fucking makes some good points. | ||
| Why would he have a headset? | ||
| Well, there is a problem with some of the fights in Pride that were clearly fixed. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| There can be no doubt. | ||
| You watch Mark Coleman versus Takata. | ||
| If you don't think that that fight was fixed, you're an asshole. | ||
| Oh, and the K-1, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Masato and Bukau, they almost killed Masato trying to get the win over Bukau. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Bukau killed him in three rounds and they give, oh, extra round. | ||
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Really? | |
| And then he kills him in the fourth round. | ||
| Extra round! | ||
| And you can see Masato like, what the fuck? | ||
| Really? | ||
| And Bukau was just kicking the fuck out of him. | ||
| And I guess Masato had to retire for like Eight months or something, internal bleeding. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| That's a fight I missed. | ||
| The Japanese are kind of known for trying to get the Japanese win. | ||
| Yeah, there's always going to be that. | ||
| There's always going to be a little bit of that. | ||
| But, you know, it's fun, man. | ||
| The glory early days of MMA and kickboxing. | ||
| And look, when you look at that, like, say, you know, they definitely did some fuckery, but they put K-1 on the map and therefore kickboxing on the map on a grand scale. | ||
| When you look at those K-1 Grand Prix's and they're in the Tokyo Dome in front of, like, God knows how many thousands of people. | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| That's how I fell in love with kickboxing. | ||
| That was my dream, was always watching those World Grand Prix's. | ||
| And then when Glory was like, oh, you want to fight in a one-night tournament? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been waiting my whole life for this, yeah. | ||
| Well, I just hope that Glory, and there's a big event that's going on this Friday night. | ||
| They're doing regular events on Spike. | ||
| I just hope that it can achieve the same sort of level in America that the UFC has, or that Pride and K1 had in Japan. | ||
| And I just think if you look at the quality of the the fights that they're putting on it's right up there. | ||
| It's amazing I think they're the best quality as far as the the the level of the strikers the best quality we've ever had guys like you and Nicky Holskin and and Mark Debonk there's like so many guys that are like a super high level in in in glory right now. | ||
| Yeah, it's really exciting They're putting them in the production value on their shows is really good. | ||
| It's I hope people keep tuning in or start tuning in. | ||
| I know their ratings have been a little questionable lately on some really big cards. | ||
| They just need more push. | ||
| They need to keep doing it, and eventually I think it's going to catch on. | ||
| Guys like Raymond Daniels, Joseph Valtellini, there's so many high-level guys that are fighting exciting fights. | ||
| They're wild, exciting fights to watch. | ||
| I just can't see it not working. | ||
| I just think it just has to keep pushing, you know? | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| I mean, it seems to me like the product is there. | ||
| It's just a matter of letting people know about it. | ||
| And then this, you know, having it on Spike is good, too. | ||
| Having that Friday night fight thing. | ||
| Every Friday night they have fights on Spike, whether it's a Bellator event or a boxing event or a Glory event. | ||
| If they can keep that up, that could be really big. | ||
| Yeah, it's huge. | ||
| Those PBC boxing cards have been pretty awesome on there, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Production value's been really good on that. | ||
| It's been, you know... | ||
| They said boxing's dead, but it seems like there's a lot of buzz behind boxing right now. | ||
| How can you say it's dead when they have 4.5 million pay-per-view... | ||
| I'm looking forward to Canelo Alvarez versus James Kirkland this weekend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's gonna be fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, but I heard Kirkland I've realized that I watched the you know the countdown show that they were doing about it whatever they call it 24 7 and Kirkland didn't train with Ann Wolfe for this fight No, which is like if you ever thought like a guy definitely should be training with a woman trainer Like in any in any other sports that ever happened a combat sport you'd be like what but if you look at like the shit that Ann Wolfe would make him do and She would get in a truck and she had a heavy bag attached to an arm on the front | ||
| of the truck. | ||
| And then the truck would move forward at like a certain amount of miles per hour. | ||
| And he was forced to back up and punch the bag as he's backing up doing road work. | ||
| Never seen anybody do that before. | ||
| No. | ||
| But they showed it in the, you know, in the training montages and stuff. | ||
| And I was like, that is a fucking great idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you have to keep up. | ||
| You got it, yeah. | ||
| The truck's coming your way. | ||
| You know, you got to back up and, you know, you can't take any breaks. | ||
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| Like, you know, for whatever, how many rounds she's making him do or how many minutes she's making him do. | ||
| As he's backing up, he's got to hit that fucking bag. | ||
| And when he was with her, his conditioning was on point, man. | ||
| I mean, she put him through hell. | ||
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| But some dudes don't want to go through hell. | ||
| Oh, they go through hell a few times. | ||
| Like BJ Penn with Marv Marinovich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He went through hell a few times, and then he was like, fuck this, man. | ||
| I'm not going through hell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had a strength coach a couple years back that was awful. | ||
| And then we stopped doing it. | ||
| But, yeah, I was really successful when I was with him. | ||
| Fucking hell, for sure, though. | ||
| That's what it is, though, right? | ||
| It's like this Nick Curzon guy who trained Rafael Dos Anjos. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why I can't wait to talk to him. | ||
| It's because when you put those guys through hell like that, the results are undeniable. | ||
| But it's a matter of, like... | ||
| How much should that replace skill training? | ||
| Here's a perfect example. | ||
| Say if a guy like Rich Franklin had gone through a guy like Marinovich when he fought Anderson Silva, he still would not have been technically able to deal with Anderson's striking. | ||
| Wasn't Rich where he's training? | ||
| Didn't we talk about that? | ||
| He was one of the most intense, hardest training fighters at the time or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, at the time, I mean, I don't know if it stands up. | ||
| And he was huge for middleweight. | ||
| He was a big boy. | ||
| Yeah, he definitely was. | ||
| But yeah, it was the clinch. | ||
| He didn't have the answer for the clinch. | ||
| That's a technical thing. | ||
| You could have trained all day, every day, and it's not going to change. | ||
| You're lacking in that area, you know? | ||
| He also didn't have the answer standing up. | ||
| I mean, even outside of the clinch, you know, when you see Anderson drop his hands and chuck and jive in front of him, my Franklin throws punches and kicks at air, and Anderson's just ducking under the kicks and looking at him like, that was a terrifying place to be when you're standing there with a guy who he knows you can't hit him. | ||
| Did you ever see his fight, Anderson's fight, with Jorge Rivera and Cage Warriors? | ||
| Cage Rage, whatever the fuck it was? | ||
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| No. | ||
| The only one I remember was his fight with Tony Franklin when he had the back elbow in cage range. | ||
| That was gnarly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He fought... | ||
| He fought... | ||
| Jorge Rivera, and he let Jorge Rivera punch him in the face. | ||
| And Jorge is known as a knockout guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he punches him three, four times clean in the face, and Anderson just staring at him, smiling. | ||
| Like, literally let him tee off on his face. | ||
| I'd be so scared to do that. | ||
| You know, sometimes in the gym you can get stupid and do stuff like that, but what if that goes bad? | ||
| What if you're like, yeah, hit me and... | ||
| Highlight. | ||
| Well, Anderson and Weidman. | ||
| I mean, the clowning around. | ||
| Ultimately, what happened? | ||
| That was the worst ever moment in Anderson's career and the biggest example why you should never clown around in a fight. | ||
| That was one of those things that when it's happening, you don't believe it's happening. | ||
| You're like, what? | ||
| What are we seeing? | ||
| Like, you almost have to shake your head. | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| Because that's what everybody wants to see. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Nick laid down at the same time? | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| No! | ||
| He laid down, put his hand on his head like he's taking a nap. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| Dude, I was slamming my hands against the table laughing. | ||
| Somebody just posted a clip of it the other day, and you can hear yourself laughing. | ||
| You can actually see me across this. | ||
| I can't tell if I'm excited or not, but I stand up and I'm screaming something like that. | ||
| That was a crazy fight, man. | ||
| It was weird being there for that and then watching Anderson after it was over, realizing how much pressure was on him when he just laid down and started weeping. | ||
| Like, whoa. | ||
| Yeah, there's Nick. | ||
| The memes about this are awesome. | ||
| Look at that pose! | ||
| Don't stand up, homie. | ||
| Oh my god, he's so funny. | ||
| He was so crazy. | ||
| The GOAT and Anderson Silva. | ||
| As far as a dude that people love to see fight, you don't get much better than Nick. | ||
| No. | ||
| People love that guy. | ||
| To this day, I couldn't believe he did it. | ||
| And that's after talking all kinds of mad shit. | ||
| None of us knew that was going to happen. | ||
| He probably didn't even know. | ||
| He was real respectful talking about him, even throughout the whole camp. | ||
| I'd be like, oh, you're going to fuck him up or say anything to him. | ||
| And he's like, oh, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm just going to survive. | ||
| I'm just going to survive. | ||
| I'm going to kick his fucking ass. | ||
| What do you mean you're going to survive? | ||
| We're in the back and he said something like, I might fuck with him or something. | ||
| And I was like, okay. | ||
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| It was awesome, though. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| And we could see how much it was messing with Anderson right away when he started doing it. | ||
| He fucks with everybody's head. | ||
| Yeah, this is really effective. | ||
| But Nick fucks with everybody's head. | ||
| He fucked with Robbie Lawler's head. | ||
| You could really see it in that Robbie Lawler fight. | ||
| Like, Robbie Lawler was used to just going berserk on guys. | ||
| And all of a sudden, Nick was like, what, bitch? | ||
| What, bitch? | ||
| What's up, bitch? | ||
| What's up, bitch? | ||
| Like, stand in front of his fame. | ||
| You could see Robbie. | ||
| Yeah, it was effective for sure. | ||
| When Nick got into the cage, I'll never forget that fight, because he got in the cage and he looked over at Robbie. | ||
| He starts going, STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKER! STOCKTON MOTHERFUCKER! And Robbie was looking around like, what's happening here? | ||
| Where's Stockton? | ||
| Where's this gonna lead? | ||
| This is bizarre. | ||
| It's just a totally different thing. | ||
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| Iowa, bitch! | ||
| Yeah, it was a very rare moment in time. | ||
| This is a big card coming up this weekend, right? | ||
| The glory card? | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be a good one. | ||
| Who's on this? | ||
| I got it here, clued up here. | ||
| It's Simon and Artem for the belt. | ||
| And if you don't have Spike, you can watch it online. | ||
| If you go to gloryworldseries.com, you can stream it for only $10. | ||
| And Artem Levin and Simon Marcus. | ||
| Artem Levin, one of the best kickboxers on Earth, for sure. | ||
| So is Marcus. | ||
| Simon Marcus, one of the best on Earth, too. | ||
| And they're going to fight. | ||
| Yeah, they have two really interesting styles, you know, having fought both of them. | ||
| Artem is very much like Floyd Mayweather, kind of very elusive. | ||
| He'll score his points and then hold and kind of eats up the clock really well. | ||
| And then Simon is one of those just like bull forward, constantly coming forward, constantly trying to, you know, having fought both of them. | ||
| Simon, when you're standing across the ring from Simon, you see somebody you have to knock out. | ||
| He's going to keep coming at me no matter what. | ||
| There's no weakness in his mindset. | ||
| He's going to keep coming until I knock him out. | ||
| With Artem, it's like supreme confidence. | ||
| It's very interesting standing across from both of those guys. | ||
| Both guys have had a long career. | ||
| I mean, look at the records there. | ||
| 54-1 for Levin, 42-2-1 for Marcus. | ||
| And Simon Marcus, up until your fight, was undefeated. | ||
| You knocked him out, and then he lost in China again after that as well, right? | ||
| I knocked out in China. | ||
| I think that was one of those things we were talking about before where he didn't take the time off after I knocked him out. | ||
| I mean, that was a bad knockout. | ||
| Faceplant, you're out for a long period of time. | ||
| And then he got rocked again in China right after that. | ||
| Who fought him in China? | ||
| I don't know the guy's name. | ||
| And he wasn't even a big name. | ||
| It was a Chinese guy. | ||
| The Chinese guy fought him in China. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Go figure. | ||
| What are the odds? | ||
| It's like a Russian guy fighting in Russia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he came back and won the contender tournament against Jason Willis and Wayne Barrett. | ||
| Now, Raymond Daniels is fighting on the card, too. | ||
| He's an L.A. guy. | ||
| Did you train with him at all? | ||
| I did that World Combat League like six years ago. | ||
| We were on the same team. | ||
| I met him and got to know him a little bit then. | ||
| We haven't trained together. | ||
| That was a Chuck Norris thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now the Chuck Norris thing took place in like a bowl, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did you think about that? | ||
| I hated it. | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| It was really set up specifically for point karate guys to do well. | ||
| It was just like everything against like the kickboxer. | ||
| Really? | ||
| We're wearing those pants, right? | ||
| But underneath the pants we have like the sport combat super thick shin pads underneath the pants. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| So like you know your leg kick is and it's a one round. | ||
| It's three minutes and then you have The shin pad is a weird thing, but it's not weird when you think about the fact that the guys wear gloves. | ||
| I always wonder, especially in MMA, why do they have gloves on? | ||
| We've been talking about this a lot lately, that if you wanted to lessen the effectiveness of punching techniques, one of the best ways is to just remove the gloves. | ||
| If you remove the gloves, you make guys fight barehanded, you get to see what's really effective and not effective when it comes to striking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You still can kick guys in the head. | ||
| You still can knee guys in the head. | ||
| But you can only kick them in the head with the shin pad on. | ||
| Imagine if you punch with that world combat. | ||
| Imagine punching somebody in the leg with a glove on. | ||
| It takes away all of the effectiveness to it. | ||
| It's different when you're hitting somebody in the chin. | ||
| But you have to hit somebody really fucking hard with a punch to the leg to hurt them. | ||
| Which is essentially what that shin pad would be doing for it. | ||
| I hated the rules. | ||
| I hated that circle. | ||
| It threw me off big time, being in a circle with no ropes. | ||
| And then you get into an exchange and you step back and you would be on this slant. | ||
| Yeah, why does everybody have to wear those pants? | ||
| It was something about the sponsors. | ||
| I got in a lot of trouble because I had... | ||
| Like sponsors, like handed a tattoo on my back because they wouldn't let us put anything on the pants. | ||
| And after the first fight, the director or whatever comes to the back and he's screaming and yelling, Chuck Norris is really mad at you. | ||
| But I'm like, oh, Chuck Norris is mad at me. | ||
| Is he mad? | ||
| He was like really pissed off that I was, you know, taking advantage or something. | ||
| Did they not state it in the rules? | ||
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No. | |
| I think it was in the rules. | ||
| That you couldn't do it? | ||
| They said you couldn't have anything on. | ||
| You couldn't alter the uniform. | ||
| You couldn't put patches or anything on the uniform. | ||
| I'm like, I had a tattoo on my back. | ||
| It's a permanent marker. | ||
| So the guy's dumping water on me in the back and scrubbing it. | ||
| It wasn't even like he was trying to get it off. | ||
| He was just trying to screw it up so my sponsor would be... | ||
| Did it work? | ||
| I got paid. | ||
| Did it mess it up at all though? | ||
| Oh yeah, it messed it up. | ||
| I think we went to Venice Beach to get it done before I left. | ||
| And then I'm in the hotel room and it's all smeared and bad. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, can you cover this? | ||
| Touch it up. | ||
| The other guy on the team with Sharpie. | ||
| Sharpie might be even better than henna, right? | ||
| Things like that might last even longer. | ||
| Yeah, so they were scrubbing it and it was whatever. | ||
| That was an issue with the UFC once with Rico Rodriguez. | ||
| He had some... | ||
| Golden Palace. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was back when they had online gambling was like really popular. | ||
| Didn't Bernard Hopkins do that once too? | ||
| I feel like guys were doing that in boxing fights. | ||
| Boxing happened a lot, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but they stopped. | ||
| Somehow they put a stop to it. | ||
| Why though? | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| In the UFC, are you going to ruin the man or something? | ||
| It kind of does fuck with what you're looking at. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't matter to me if a guy has sponsors all over his shorts, but if he's got like a big sponsor tattooed on his back, it just seems like... | ||
| Seems kind of cheesy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like low... | ||
| Low rent. | ||
| Low rent, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to cut into a guy's ability to make money, but that does seem a little low rent. | ||
| Yeah, goldenpalace.com. | ||
| Ha ha ha! | ||
| Back in the day. | ||
| He's a fucking freak, huh? | ||
| 49 years old, still fighting at a world-class level. | ||
| The alien. | ||
| Fights against Kovalev, who's a murderous puncher. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Russians are a different kind of white people, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They really are. | ||
| How about this Golovkin guy? | ||
| He's a motherfucker, dude. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| And he'll knock you out with shots that doesn't mean... | ||
| Vinny and I were talking to him about him the other day. | ||
| It doesn't look like he's trying to hit you hard, but when he throws it all natural and loose, it's like he knows it's gonna knock you out. | ||
| He's knocking people out with body shots that don't look hard, look like they miss and people are dropping. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah, his left hook to the body is fucking devastating. | ||
| One of the best in the business at it. | ||
| I forget who he fought, but he threw a right hand in it. | ||
| It looked like it slid off. | ||
| Didn't even look like there was penetration at all. | ||
| And the guy's done. | ||
| Knockout. | ||
| I think it was two fights ago, he hit the guy with it. | ||
| Yeah, he's a motherfucker, dude. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| He's really awesome. | ||
| I love the fact that there's so many guys like that now. | ||
| Like him, Kovalev, Provodnikov. | ||
| Yeah, Provodnikov. | ||
| I love watching that guy fight. | ||
| Savage Russians, man. | ||
| I love watching that guy fight. | ||
| Oh, that fight that he had with Lucas Matisse? | ||
| Jesus Christ, that was crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you see the urine sample after the fight? | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude, pull that up, because you've got to see this. | ||
| He posted an Instagram photo of his urine sample, and it looks like he poured Coca-Cola into the cup. | ||
| Like, he was pissing just so dark from blood and, you know, internal bleeding. | ||
| Internal bleeding. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| You know a lot of apparently not just internal bleeding, but when you have an unbelievably grueling physical event like ultra marathons like look at it up there That's his piss, bro What? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Pull up the actual Instagram so you can see it and we can read it. | ||
| Yeah, that's his urine sample, man. | ||
| That's his urine sample. | ||
| That's the urine sample that he gave the Athletic Commission, the post-doping, post-fight. | ||
| Because I've pissed blood before, but it was nothing that dark like that. | ||
| It was like fucking... | ||
| Well, I have a friend who did an ultramarathon, my friend Cameron Haynes, and he said the same thing, that when you do an ultramarathon, when you pee, it looks like Coca-Cola. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like your kidneys are failing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| Sorry to all my friends. | ||
| I lost tonight. | ||
| I felt I could have won this fight. | ||
| I almost had him, but the fight happened the way it happened. | ||
| And here it is. | ||
| He's saying, one more fight in my career. | ||
| When I did my doping test, I had black urine. | ||
| The first one was against Tim Bradley. | ||
| Black urine. | ||
| Black urine. | ||
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| I think it's an endurance thing, too. | ||
| It's just a kidney failure thing. | ||
| That is fucking crazy. | ||
| I can't believe that's real. | ||
| Yeah, it's totally real. | ||
| Those guys who have rhabdomyelosis from CrossFit and shit like that, it's one of the signs of it. | ||
| You get black urine. | ||
| But ultramarathoners, they all talk about it. | ||
| Black urine. | ||
| What's the definition of ultramarathon in a regular marathon? | ||
| 100 miles in a day. | ||
| 24 hours. | ||
| It's a 24-hour race. | ||
| You run 100 miles. | ||
| And you're just broken when it's over. | ||
| I mean, why? | ||
| Why do they do that? | ||
| Prove they can do it. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| My friend Cameron, who does it, is a fucking savage. | ||
| He's just a psychopath. | ||
| Is he, like, a really skinny guy? | ||
| He's 170 pounds, pretty yoked, actually. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he's a bow hunter. | ||
| He's a professional bow hunter. | ||
| And he got... | ||
| Started getting into endurance training because bow hunting, you would think, is not a physical event. | ||
| But what the physical event is, is getting to the animals up the mountains and packing out all the meat. | ||
| So, like, you're going... | ||
| Like, I had this guy, Remy Warren, on the podcast recently, and he was talking about how they had to pack out this... | ||
| Was it a moose or an elk they shot? | ||
| Moose or an elk? | ||
| One of those. | ||
| Big fucking animal, okay? | ||
| And he's packing out 100 plus pounds at a time, walking several miles back with 100 plus pounds at elevation, going up mountains, down mountains, and then going back. | ||
| So he, over the course of, you know, X amount of days, when they packed all the meat out, it took them 30 miles of walking with 100 pounds on your back up mountains. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And he's like, after it was over, he goes like, I was just done. | ||
| He goes, I got sick, I was exhausted, my body was just broken. | ||
| That's what you don't think about. | ||
| And these guys that do it, like Cameron, every year goes elk hunting in the mountains, shoots a big elk every year, has to carry it out. | ||
| And so he does all these crazy workouts, and one of them he does, he takes one of these, like a meat backpack, they call it a Tenzing backpack, and he puts 135 pound rock in the backpack and he'll fucking hike up hills with this fucking rock on his back. | ||
| Miles and miles. | ||
| Man, I didn't realize how spoiled we used to go to my buddy's uncle's property and then we'd hike a little bit and then we'd shoot the thing and drag it to where he could get to it and call him and he'd bring a fucking four-wheeler and drag his shit out and we'd hang it in the barn. | ||
| Yeah, that's the easy way. | ||
| Yeah, and it's spoiled. | ||
| Well, that's the way most people do it. | ||
| Tree stands, you know? | ||
| But when you go for elk in the mountains, the big elk, oftentimes, they're hard to get to. | ||
| They're smart. | ||
| They're not going to hang around near your house. | ||
| They're gonna go up in the mountains and they're trying to get some elk pussy and you gotta sneak up to them and then you gotta call them in and then once you shoot them then you gotta cut them up and drag them out of there. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so that's why he does ultra-marathons. | ||
| He sort of got into running and fitness because of that, and then escalated. | ||
| I just ask who's skinny, because usually those marathoners are like super, you know, all the triathlete guys I know. | ||
| Pull up his Instagram, because he's got a bunch of pictures of him. | ||
| Sexy bitch, likes to show his muscles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| 47 years old, works full-time job, trains every day. | ||
| Every fucking day. | ||
| Runs every morning, lifts every night. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| I would never say to think that was even a marathon guy, let alone an ultra marathon. | ||
| He just ran the Boston Marathon under three hours. | ||
| He did two hours and 50 minutes. | ||
| But yeah, he's an animal. | ||
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Huh. | |
| Just killing shit eating wild meat. | ||
| That's a big part of it, too. | ||
| It's like I give you see like pull up a little bit from up there above there That's him in the marathon, but there's a picture of his legs. | ||
| We go keep scrolling up up up up up not down up Okay, go down a little There's it there right there like you see like The fucking veins this dude's gotten his legs. | ||
| He's using some sort of massaging tool But that's him. | ||
| It's just a driven dude man. | ||
| I I would have never thought that was a marathon guy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You'd be amazed at the kind of fitness that you need to have just to hike eight hours a day in the mountains. | ||
| We talk about a lot of stuff that just gets really depressing. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of work. | ||
| A lot of work out there. | ||
| There's a lot of things that people would like to do, but it's just too much work. | ||
| I'd probably say that what you do for a living is at the very top of that list. | ||
| And you're looking at this guy carrying elk steaks and running up hills and you're like, fuck that. | ||
| Meanwhile, he'll be looking at you fighting three times in a night going, fuck that! | ||
| No, fuck that. | ||
| Yeah, everybody wants to eat, but few are willing to hunt. | ||
| That's what, yeah, look at that. | ||
| He's got a pack full with meat and giant-ass fucking antlers carrying that bitch out there. | ||
| I used to hunt all the time when I was growing up in Ohio. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Deer hunting all the time. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| Best meat for you, man. | ||
| No better meat in the world than Wild Game. | ||
| I was broke. | ||
| My brother and I were living together, and we were, you know... | ||
| Every dollar was spent on like cigarettes and beer. | ||
| Like 17, 18, 19, I think. | ||
| And I guess I was younger than that, 17, 18. And we would go hunting every year and there'd be like three or four of us and we'd all get a deer and we would chop up like every little piece. | ||
| And I remember having like deer kebabs like for a whole year. | ||
| We were living off the deer that was in the fridge. | ||
| It was good times. | ||
| It's great for you though, man. | ||
| So good for you. | ||
| Do you ever get a hold of some now while you're training? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'll get you some moose. | ||
| I got some moose for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck yeah, dude. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Moose is tough. | ||
| It's tougher than deer. | ||
| Yeah, I see your post. | ||
| You're quite the chef with that. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Like last night, man, I was coming home last night from the comedy store. | ||
| I was driving home. | ||
| It was like 1230. I was kind of tired. | ||
| I'm like, I could just fucking slip right in and out right now. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I said, just go home. | ||
| Because I knew I had some defrosted mousse in the refrigerator. | ||
| So I went home, cooked some mousse steaks and some kale. | ||
| Fuck in and out. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Oh, so good, dude. | ||
| That stuff gives you energy, too. | ||
| When I eat that, something about mousse, I think something about those big, athletic, very lean animals, I feel energized when I eat the meat. | ||
| That doesn't seem to make sense. | ||
| I don't know if they really have an accurate account of all of the properties of various different kinds of meat. | ||
| I would like to see if there's a way to do some sort of double-blind, placebo-controlled effect Test on the difference between eating elk versus chicken, or the difference between eating, you know, alligator versus beef. | ||
| I really would like to know. | ||
| I really wonder what the fuck is happening. | ||
| Because I try to look at it really objectively. | ||
| Like I try not to like, maybe this is a placebo effect, maybe I'm fucking with myself. | ||
| I don't think it is, though. | ||
| When I eat moose, like more than any other animal I've ever eaten, there's something about when I eat it, I feel like, ah! | ||
| I just feel like fucking charged up, man. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I have a buddy of mine who was lifting. | ||
| He's a big fitness fanatic, too, and his wife shot an elk, and he was eating nothing but elk for months. | ||
| He's like, dude, I'm making all these fucking gains, and I gotta think it's connected to this elk. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| He's like, I've nothing but elk. | ||
| You know, he doesn't have a lot of money. | ||
| He's like, we've been eating nothing but elk for like the past two months. | ||
| And he goes, and I've gained like five pounds of muscle. | ||
| Maybe there's something to that horse beef thing that Overeem was talking about. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| I mean, obviously he's on whatever, but like the fucking horse beef thing. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| Well, a horse is kind of the same thing. | ||
| You're talking about super lean. | ||
| Super athletic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, an animal that jumps over trees with you on its back. | ||
| You know, that's a motherfucker. | ||
| You ever had horse? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a place called Joe Beef in Montreal. | ||
| If you've never been to Montreal, if you ever go up there to train at TriStar or something like that, the best fucking restaurant on earth. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, it's in Montreal. | ||
| I took my pal Tony Hinchcliffe there last week, and that guy serves horse all the time, and I've had it there twice. | ||
| It's good? | ||
| Yeah, it's real good. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Is that gamey or no? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| It's weird that you're eating a horse. | ||
| But I mean, is it? | ||
| I mean, it's weird to eat a pig. | ||
| You know, go watch Babe. | ||
| And then have some bacon. | ||
| Well, that and pigs like waller and shit. | ||
| Like they live in like three feet of shit. | ||
| Eat, sleep, and shit. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's gross. | ||
| That's nasty. | ||
| You ever have a wild pig? | ||
| No. | ||
| Looks different. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, it's dark. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| The flesh is dark. | ||
| I cooked a wild ham the other day. | ||
| See if it's on my Instagram. | ||
| Yeah, it's on my Instagram. | ||
| There's a wild ham from about three or four weeks ago. | ||
| It's different than boars? | ||
| Well, boar is just male. | ||
| If you shoot a male bear, it's also called a boar. | ||
| And a sow, pig and a sow bear, the female's called a sow. | ||
| So when you go wild boar in a restaurant, they're kind of bullshitting you. | ||
| It's not really wild. | ||
| It might be wild sow. | ||
| It's wild pig, is what they should say. | ||
| But it sounds cool to say, we're going wild boar hunting. | ||
| You're going wild pig hunting. | ||
| I thought that... | ||
| But do all pigs have like the fucking... | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| See, that's what it looks like. | ||
| See up there? | ||
| That's what... | ||
| That's a wild pig. | ||
| That's a female. | ||
| There's a female that I shot at this place called the Tohon Ranch. | ||
| It's about an hour, hour and a half north of here. | ||
| It's fucking delicious, dude. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| And there's very little fat on it compared to domestic pig. | ||
| Much, much less fat. | ||
| You got like a giant freezer home just full of shit. | ||
| Two of them. | ||
| Two huge freezers. | ||
| Big commercial freezers. | ||
| Yeah, well, I kinda decided, like, when I started getting into hunting, The first time I went hunting, I was like, I'm either going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter. | ||
| Like, let's see how I feel after I shoot this animal. | ||
| Oh, after you shoot it? | ||
| Yeah, I might feel like an asshole. | ||
| Maybe I'll just stick to only fish. | ||
| I never really felt bad about fish. | ||
| They don't even take care of their babies. | ||
| They shit them out and run away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, they drop the eggs. | ||
| Fuck fish. | ||
| The male comes off, jizzes on the eggs, and they bolt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like the idea of mammals, like mammals are the issue. | ||
| So I decided once I did it, like, I'm going to try to eat exclusively in my house only wild game. | ||
| I don't really totally do that because occasionally I'll go buy some bison or something like that from Whole Foods, but almost exclusively in my house I'm eating wild game. | ||
| Tonight, I'm having mousse stew. | ||
| It's cooking right now. | ||
| It's on the slow cooker. | ||
| I left the house this morning. | ||
| It was on, and it'll cook for like six hours. | ||
| Have you always been into cooking, or is it just something you started with and you got into hunting? | ||
| No, I've always been into cooking some things. | ||
| I'm really good at making steak. | ||
| I'm a really good steak cooker, and I cook pasta, and I cook vegetables, like real simple stuff. | ||
| You know, I'm not making like quiches or anything elaborate souffles or anything that requires like a deep cooking knowledge. | ||
| My skills are limited, but I know how to do what I know how to do, you know? | ||
| You could throw some steak on the barbecue. | ||
| I'll cook the fuck out of the steak. | ||
| Barbecue the fuck out of some steak. | ||
| I know what I'm doing. | ||
| That's about the extent of, you know, what I can do. | ||
| These foods contain the best natural sources of creatine, venison, wild game, huh? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Experts agree the best animal source of creatine is wild game. | ||
| Wow, so there you go. | ||
| My question's answered. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Venison, elk, bison, and buffalo. | ||
| What about moose, bitch? | ||
| Moose is the same as... | ||
| It's got to be on there. | ||
| It's 100% on there. | ||
| It's probably just harder to get. | ||
| Because there's no commercially available moose. | ||
| You can get commercially available venison, elk, buffalo, and bison, which, by the way, are the same animal. | ||
| I don't know why they're... | ||
| This is redundant. | ||
| Game meat, unless it's a different type of buffalo, like this water buffalo. | ||
| But when you talk about the American buffalo, you're talking about a bison. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Next best source is free-range meats, which includes turkey breast, chicken breast. | ||
| I just shot a turkey. | ||
| I shot a turkey a couple weeks ago. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That tastes different. | ||
| You shot in the body or you shot in the head? | ||
| Shot in the head. | ||
| Yeah, you're supposed to shoot the head, right? | ||
| Yeah, if you shoot it in the body, you're going to destroy. | ||
| You're spitting out little pellets. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's a dirty trick, man. | ||
| You put out a rubber turkey. | ||
| You put out a rubber female. | ||
| Start making noises. | ||
| Oh, boy, would I like some cock. | ||
| And then they come over looking to give some cock. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Blow his fucking head off. | ||
| Yeah, they don't die easy. | ||
| You should feel bad about that one. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| No? | ||
| Birds. | ||
| Birds can suck my dick. | ||
| Birds and fish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Birds, at least they lay their eggs and then sit on them. | ||
| So they're like one step above. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're kind of like... | ||
| I have chickens that I don't want to kill. | ||
| You know, they're like pets. | ||
| But if shit goes down, the power goes down, I'll kill them before I kill my dog. | ||
| That's for fuck sure. | ||
| Those chickens are getting it. | ||
| But they're kind of, they're pets, you know? | ||
| My daughters will pick them up and hold on to them. | ||
| They're cute, you know? | ||
| Are they nice? | ||
| Yeah, they're friendly. | ||
| We've had them since they were babies. | ||
| I mean, we hatched them. | ||
| I mean, not hatched them, but we got the hatchlings, like, days after they were born. | ||
| The way it works is, they actually send them through the mail, which is kind of fucked up. | ||
| They do it through the U.S. Post Office. | ||
| The egg? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, the chicks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When the chicks are born, they pack them in special boxes and they send them. | ||
| The boxes have like air holes in them and they send them one day air and it gets to you, you know, express mail, whatever it is, UPS Express, whatever the fuck they call it. | ||
| It gets there and, you know, they give you an alert like, hey, it's going to be coming within one day. | ||
| And then, you know, these animals haven't had any food at all for 24 hours when you get them. | ||
| And you get them and you give them some food. | ||
| And they're these little tiny things, man. | ||
| You have to incubate them. | ||
| We put them in this large box with a heat lamp above it. | ||
| So they're in this, like, little chicken container box. | ||
| And, you know, you feed them. | ||
| And it's really kind of intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What else you got? | ||
| You got a monkey or anything? | ||
| No, no monkeys. | ||
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No. | |
| I have an indoor courtyard in my house, and while I was on Fear Factor, when I was losing my fucking mind, when I was full-blown losing my mind, I was actually thinking about putting a roof over the indoor courtyard, putting thick glass walls all around it, and... | ||
| Putting like crocodile monitors in there and like feeding them rabbits like having my own Jurassic Park Like having like a little opening throw a rabbit through there and watch the crocodile monitors attack it and devour it I might come on that would be the dopest shit ever but the problem is those motherfuckers if they get really big you can't really stop them like if they want to attack you they'll get like seven eight nine feet long and Also, they're shit Is toxic. | ||
| Like, this shit is just disgusting. | ||
| So I was like, who's gonna clean their shit? | ||
| I'm gonna have some dude come over the house and clean this shit and like... | ||
| Get eaten by the fucking alligator? | ||
| No, it's a crocodile monitor. | ||
| Have you ever seen one of those? | ||
| No, it's a monitor. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| I thought you were talking about a crocodile. | ||
| No, it's a giant lizard. | ||
| A really freaky looking giant predatory lizard. | ||
| I have seen those. | ||
| This is a crocodile monitor. | ||
| Pull one up, Jamie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If it wasn't for the shit, I would have been like, oh, you'd be fucked up, Joe. | ||
| You should have got one. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I came real close, dude. | ||
| I was pricing. | ||
| I was talking to contractors and everything. | ||
| See, like, look at that one of the rat in his mouth down there. | ||
| Right there, Jamie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Always thought it'd be fun to have like a piranha tank. | ||
| I had that. | ||
| Just throw a fuck, yeah? | ||
| I had a giant piranha tank. | ||
| Have people over to throw steak in there and watch them go nuts? | ||
| No, the steak's not the move. | ||
| The move is goldfish. | ||
| You get to watch the attack. | ||
| I used to go to the supermarket or the pet store every week, and I would get a large bag of goldfish. | ||
| Because I had... | ||
| I want to say I had 30 piranha. | ||
| Allegedly, because they're illegal. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| This is a made-up story. | ||
| I'm just telling you. | ||
| I'm making it up. | ||
| This is for entertainment purposes only. | ||
| Yeah, this is for entertainment purposes only. | ||
| And I also had a skeleton, a human skeleton in there that I purchased online from like a medical supply thing. | ||
| Like you could buy a human skeleton, which I thought was fucked up. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| It's so fucked up. | ||
| That should be illegal. | ||
| It totally should be illegal. | ||
| I had it. | ||
| You had a fucking dead body in your piranha tank. | ||
| So the bottom of the piranha tank was these skeletons, like a skull and shin bone and some other bones. | ||
| And people would come over and they would look at it and then they would look closer and they'd be like, is that a fucking real skeleton? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's a real skeleton. | ||
| Did you kill somebody and throw it in the tank? | ||
| Joe's house is like the equivalent of Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory. | ||
| I'm definitely coming over next week. | ||
| From male children. | ||
| Now that I have daughters and everything, it's all feminized. | ||
| They've ruined my whole existence. | ||
| But not really. | ||
| But I mean, my male sanctuary has now been feminized in an extreme way. | ||
| I mean, I had pit bulls and fucking piranhas. | ||
| I was looking to have a reptile sanctuary. | ||
| But the piranhas were fun. | ||
| But you know what's more fun than the piranhas? | ||
| Turtles. | ||
| Turtles are motherfuckers. | ||
| They're way more vicious than piranhas. | ||
| And you look at them, they look kind of cute and everything like that. | ||
| When turtles are hungry and you feed them goldfish, I would feed the goldfish to turtles as well, they're way more entertaining. | ||
| They're way more entertaining than piranhas. | ||
| They're fucking vicious bastards, man. | ||
| And they would grab them with their paws. | ||
| They'd use their little fins. | ||
| They'd grab them with their fins. | ||
| Hey, look at that turtle. | ||
| What is he eating? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Like a tomato or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You want to see... | ||
| That's not a turtle, though. | ||
| That's a tortoise. | ||
| I believe. | ||
| See if there's a video of turtles eating goldfish. | ||
| And what was crazy is like, well, these are actually turtles eating goldfish. | ||
| They're actually legal. | ||
| Or piranhas, since I didn't have them because they would be illegal. | ||
| Piranhas are illegal. | ||
| There was a video of this lady in Thailand. | ||
| I think it was Thailand. | ||
| And she was like fishing for piranhas. | ||
| She had like fucking some sort of gizzard or some kind of meat or whatever. | ||
| And she would dangle it in the water and the water would start going all crazy. | ||
| And then she would pull it out and there'd be all these piranhas hanging onto the meat. | ||
| Yeah, look at them. | ||
| Look at this turtle. | ||
| They're swimming around and they would swim and they would just plow into the pile of goldfish and snack on them. | ||
| And when they get a hold of them, they use their little fucking hands, too. | ||
| They grab with their little hands. | ||
| I hope this guy gets one so we can see it. | ||
| But they fucking mangles them. | ||
| Look at them. | ||
| Oh, my kids are getting turtles. | ||
| Oh, dude, they're fun to watch, man. | ||
| But you've got to be careful if your kids do get turtles, because they develop all sorts of funky diseases from their shitty water. | ||
| You've got to clean the fuck out of the tank with those cunts. | ||
| Because, look at these, they're tearing them apart, man. | ||
| They're mangling these goldfish. | ||
| It's fun to watch. | ||
| Because you realize, like, these things are dinosaurs, man. | ||
| They haven't changed for a hundred million plus years. | ||
| So look at that dead goldfish. | ||
| You're just fucking snacking on them. | ||
| Come here, bitch! | ||
| How often does this happen? | ||
| You feed them every couple days. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| You feed them every couple days. | ||
| But the thing is, you gotta be real careful with touching the water and then, like, touching your face or eating something. | ||
| Like, you can get diseases. | ||
| Like, my wife made me get rid of them when she got pregnant. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because having babies and being around that stuff, like, you can definitely get sick. | ||
| That water gets real dirty. | ||
| They're dirty animals. | ||
| They shit it. | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| It gets funky quick. | ||
| Because they're pretty big. | ||
| You know, you're dealing with something that's several inches long and just shitting in this tank and... | ||
| I've always wanted a monkey. | ||
| And then my girl's like, you have two kids. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| My grandmother had a monkey. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't good. | ||
| What was that movie with Clint Eastwood where he had the fucking... | ||
| Every Which Way But Loose. | ||
| Yeah, I had the orangutan. | ||
| Frank or whatever is his name. | ||
| Clyde! | ||
| Clyde. | ||
| Right turn, Clyde. | ||
| Clyde would punch people out the window. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I want a Clyde. | ||
| Big idiot. | ||
| That'd be awesome. | ||
| Yeah, until it decided. | ||
| Until he gets pissed and rips your fucking arm off and beats you to death with it. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Yeah, all that good stuff. | ||
| And I heard they throw their shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's awesome. | ||
| Well, you just gotta be nice to them. | ||
| I'm sure if you're nice to them, but you have to be around them all the time. | ||
| It's like having a baby that never stops being a baby. | ||
| See, somebody was telling me that they had, I mean, it wasn't that kind of, I forget what it was called, but it was like, they get about, it was like a little outbreak monkey, whatever that's called. | ||
| She was telling me that her dad had bought one off of some people that was already full grown. | ||
| And loved the dad, but it hated, like females get really possessive over the males. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It hated her. | ||
| And sometimes she'd be cool or whatever, but sometimes she would attack her and scream and fucking scratch and shit. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That movie kind of ruined it for me. | ||
| Outbreak. | ||
| That's not the one I want. | ||
| I want that one. | ||
| I want Clyde. | ||
| I want the nice guy. | ||
| Well, I thought chimps would be cool to have until that lady in Connecticut. | ||
| Her friend came over and ate her friend's face. | ||
| Ripped her fucking door off the car. | ||
| Yeah, that's like the same thing. | ||
| It was jealous that this woman was going to be spending time with his girlfriend, who was the wife. | ||
| The owner, rather. | ||
| That was in his mind. | ||
| That was his girlfriend. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because he used to hang out with her. | ||
| The lady would give the chimp wine. | ||
| She'd give him Xanax. | ||
| She gave him Xanax. | ||
| Crazy bitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The type of crazy bitch that's going to have a chimp and have him walk around with diapers on is the same type of crazy bitch that's going to give a chimp Xanax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The chimp is wearing diapers. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| By the way, huge chimp. | ||
| 200 pounds. | ||
| Imagine a chimp as big as you, dude, but only five feet tall. | ||
| Just fucking... | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's yoked, and just... | ||
| There's a video of a... | ||
| They can rip your arm off. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Rip your arm off and beat you with it. | ||
| This table, this solid oak table, smash this fucking thing to pieces if it wanted to. | ||
| The amount of strength that they have, look at that. | ||
| What the fucking fuck. | ||
| That's like Vanderlei Silva when he was fighting in Pride when he fought in the heavyweight Grand Prix. | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| That's Husamar Pajares after he did a cycle. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But like 50 times stronger. | ||
| The physical strength that those fucking things have is off the charts. | ||
| We can't even imagine. | ||
| We don't even know what the fuck that is. | ||
| I still want one. | ||
| I love, like, gorillas. | ||
| I love gorillas. | ||
| I just, I don't know. | ||
| Well, that was my other thought. | ||
| I have this area of my yard that's one acre blocked off area. | ||
| I want that fucker right there. | ||
| Oh, look at that gorilla! | ||
| Jesus fucking Christ, he's yoked! | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| That's a fake gorilla. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Imagine that murderous motherfucker trying to bite your dick off. | ||
| The physical strength that those things have too. | ||
| It's not like a man who's built like that. | ||
| Did you see the one with the... | ||
| Look at the fucking arms on that thing. | ||
| Christ. | ||
| You see the one... | ||
| Look at the sack on him, too. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Did you know that ball size is directly determined by the amount of promiscuous females around you? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Really, yeah. | ||
| When you see an animal with giant balls, that means he's around hoes. | ||
| You can't trust these hoes. | ||
| You've got to have as much sperm development as possible. | ||
| Have you seen that video of that fucking guy from, like, Ethiopia or somewhere that has, like, 100-pound testicles? | ||
| Yeah, there's, like, a bunch of dudes like that. | ||
| There was a guy in America like that for a while. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| You see, in that picture, there's a hairless bear. | ||
| I mean, they're bad enough, you've got to carry them around with you all the time anyway, but 100 pounds? | ||
| I don't usually bother me. | ||
| It doesn't bother me like my regular-sized balls. | ||
| I don't feel the weight, but maybe you got bigger balls than you do. | ||
| It's like luggage. | ||
| You can never put it down. | ||
| Maybe I'm surrounded by hoes. | ||
| Can't trust these hoes! | ||
| Can't trust these hoes. | ||
| Pull up the picture of that hairless bear. | ||
| What the fuck is that, man? | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| Somebody posted this today. | ||
| It was Fifteen of the scariest bald animals or some shit like that. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| How weird animals look when they don't have hair. | ||
| That's a sun bear. | ||
| I don't know what those things look like with hair. | ||
| It's not a black bear. | ||
| Look at that one up there. | ||
| The one the far... | ||
| Not the far right, but the one next to it. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| That's a black bear. | ||
| That's a bear? | ||
| Yeah, because that's in Orlando. | ||
| So that's a bear with mange. | ||
| Creepy fucking animals, man. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How weird. | ||
| Nature's weird as fuck, man. | ||
| If bears didn't... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Is that a baboon? | ||
| Oh my god, that's a hairless baboon. | ||
| Oh, Christ. | ||
| What a monster. | ||
| What they can't have is a hyena. | ||
| Have you seen those fucking things? | ||
| The Africans have them on giant leashes like they're fucking toys. | ||
| Yeah, they put muzzles on them and shit. | ||
| Those are gnarly. | ||
| Big chains on their necks. | ||
| A hairless hyena? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Well, that's what they say a chupacabra is, you know? | ||
| The chupacabra, like, they're always, like, saying, oh, we found a chupacabra, it's a real animal. | ||
| What a chupacabra is, is a coyote that has mange. | ||
| Look at that fucking monster. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
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Jesus Christ, those are scary. | |
| Those things have some of the- And they get fucking huge. | ||
| There's a picture somewhere, like, this African dude walking one, and it's, like, enormous. | ||
| Go back to that picture of the mouth open, Jamie. | ||
| It's like an enormous pit bull. | ||
| Look at that fucking face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ugh, just designed to bite through bone. | ||
| That's what that mouth is for. | ||
| That fucking baboon right there, too. | ||
| Yeah, they're creepy as fuck, too. | ||
| They kill each other left and right, too. | ||
| Baboons, they kill baboon babies, they kill everything. | ||
| Yeah, hyenas are the only matriarchal mammal society that we know of. | ||
| The females are actually larger than the males. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, keep the males from eating the babies. | ||
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Huh. | |
| They also have a fake dick. | ||
| They have a faux penis. | ||
| The female hyena has a faux penis. | ||
| And she'll get on top of the male and fuck him in the ass with her fake dick. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| I wish I was lying. | ||
| You're not making this up? | ||
| I wish I was lying. | ||
| Pull up the video of a female hyena. | ||
| This has got to be seen. | ||
| Female hyena faux penis. | ||
| Fuck two girls, one cup. | ||
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Let's see the hyena get raped. | |
| Nature's rough as fuck, man. | ||
| There's a lot of infanticide in the animal kingdom. | ||
| I think that's the way the world should be. | ||
| I think society fucks it all up. | ||
| You think that's the way it should be, though, for real? | ||
| Well, however nature wanted it. | ||
| I mean, maybe they... | ||
| No, not hyenas doing it. | ||
| You're going to see actual sex. | ||
| I want to see the female fake penis raping the male. | ||
| Did you Google fake female faux penis? | ||
| I can't believe this is real. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's real, man. | ||
| Google images instead of... | ||
| See if there's... | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| This is this artificial penis that comes out. | ||
| It's a she-penis. | ||
| It's an artificial penis that comes out, and the female, which is larger than the male, above that you can see it. | ||
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How is it artificial? | |
| It's an actual penis. | ||
| It just doesn't work? | ||
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I shouldn't say artificial. | |
| It's not really a dick. | ||
| It's just a hunk of meat. | ||
| That's it right there. | ||
| That's a female right there. | ||
| But they still squat when they pee out of their vagina. | ||
| Yeah, they don't pee out of it. | ||
| They just fuck you with it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, they don't, you know... | ||
| I can't believe that's... | ||
| I'm flabbergasted. | ||
| It says they give birth out of it. | ||
| No! | ||
| 60% of the cubs the first time others die of suffocation inside the pseudo-penis. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| Maybe they go down the wrong hole. | ||
| Hmm, I wonder. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fuck hyenas, though. | ||
| Fuck that world. | ||
| That whole world is horrible. | ||
| I don't want a hyena anymore. | ||
| Nah, you don't want a hyena. | ||
| It's like people who say they want bears. | ||
| You know, almost all bears are cannibals. | ||
| Like, almost all of them. | ||
| Especially males. | ||
| One of the reasons why they hunt males, like mature boars, is to make the population healthy. | ||
| It seems counterintuitive, but male bears will eat way more cubs than any hunter's ever going to kill. | ||
| Like male bears, when they come out of hibernation, especially in the spring, one of the first things they do is go look for cubs to eat. | ||
| And this is something that biologists are just... | ||
| Easy prey. | ||
| Easy prey. | ||
| And they don't know if they're doing it... | ||
| They just guess why they're doing it. | ||
| They don't know if they're doing it just for food or if they're doing it because they want to bring the female to estrus quicker. | ||
| So it could be both, or it could be the side effect of them doing it for food is the female comes into estrus quicker. | ||
| But when I was bear hunting in Alberta, we got to watch a male try to get this female's cubs, and the female fought the male off, and we're like 30, 40 yards away from this. | ||
| It was fucking crazy. | ||
| But were you commentating? | ||
| I kind of was. | ||
| I bet you were. | ||
| I kind of was. | ||
| But my mouth was wide open. | ||
| Oh, the black one goes for a mouth. | ||
| Full mouth on the bear. | ||
| They were standing up, too. | ||
| Like, attacking each other. | ||
| That was pretty good. | ||
| I was there, dude. | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| I actually saw it. | ||
| But it's kind of fucked when you see it. | ||
| Like, the guys, while we were in camp, one of the guys witnessed a male kill one of the cubs, and then he ate half of it, and then the female came over and chased him away eventually, and then she ate the rest of her own cub. | ||
| It's hard out there for a pimp. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| But you were bear hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And none of those three looked like a good target? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, the male... | ||
| You wanted to hike out the mountain. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| The male was a good target, but he wouldn't sit still. | ||
| And he was too far away. | ||
| And he was in between trees. | ||
| And when he came up to the female, the female took... | ||
| We wouldn't kill the female. | ||
| And we definitely wouldn't kill a female with cubs. | ||
| And when the male came over, it was also getting dark. | ||
| Where it was totally on that borderline where you're not really sure you could see exactly where you're shooting, especially with a bow and arrow. | ||
| Oh, it was a bow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many times did you have to shoot a bear with a bow? | ||
| I shot it once, because I shot it right. | ||
| If you shoot it once, you go through the double lungs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, with these bows, the power of these bows is insane. | ||
| A real, like a Hoyt compound bow... | ||
| 80-pound pole. | ||
| You're talking like 288 feet per second of 468 green arrows flying with razor-sharp broadheads. | ||
| It blows right through the body. | ||
| Yeah, these are this is in fucking New Jersey, dude New Jersey has such a bear population problem. | ||
| New Jersey has the largest population of bears per capita in North America Big-ass fucking black bears and they're fighting over who controls the garbage like the territory where the garbage is These fucking bears are biting each other in the face in front of people's cars and they're big I mean these are several hundred pounds these fucking bears If you go earlier than that, you get to see them knock over the garbage cans. | ||
| Yeah, up there, back up a little bit. | ||
| They first start duking it out. | ||
| Like, one bear is controlling. | ||
| This is the guy's fucking front lawn, man! | ||
| His mailbox is getting knocked over by these bears. | ||
| My brother lives in Longwood, Florida, and it's like a gated community. | ||
| It's like a really nice area. | ||
| And every night there's giant bears knocking over the trash cans in the backyard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I guess the city, they won't do anything about it. | ||
| Well, they didn't want to open up a bear hunting season in Florida, but they're starting to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In New Jersey, they have a real issue. | ||
| A fucking kid got killed. | ||
| A Rutgers student got killed in New Jersey by a bear. | ||
| Yeah, I guess somebody in my brother's neighborhood got mauled. | ||
| Some lady got mauled. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| And then you got these idiots that are, like, fucking leaving food out for the bears. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It keeps them coming. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's another thing about bears. | ||
| It's not like a deer. | ||
| If you leave food out for a deer, it'll eat that food and then go find food other places. | ||
| You leave food out for a bear, he knows that's where the food is. | ||
| He'll keep coming back. | ||
| So they have real problems when a bear like this, when a bear gets a hold of your garbage, like these bears, they're going to war right here because they've found a spot where the garbage is. | ||
| So look at these fucking guys just duking. | ||
| These are huge bears, man. | ||
| Because I keep telling him, like, hey, shoot the fucking bear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got, like, two giant English masters. | ||
| I'm like, shoot the bear. | ||
| Feed him the bear meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know? | |
| This is good. | ||
| He's like, oh, what if I shoot it and it doesn't fucking die? | ||
| It doesn't, you know? | ||
| I'm like, 357? | ||
| How many shots? | ||
| One? | ||
| You just go right through the lungs. | ||
| Kevin, are you listening? | ||
| Joe Rogan's giving you advice here. | ||
| Double lung. | ||
| Wait till it turns sideways. | ||
| You get a broadside shot. | ||
| You shoot right behind the arms. | ||
| Like right where the armpit is. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Goes right through. | ||
| Especially with a bow and arrow. | ||
| It'll penetrate through both lungs and it'll be dead in seconds. | ||
| I mean, you're talking like 10 feet away, you know, 15 feet. | ||
| It's in the yard. | ||
| Yeah, they're not scared. | ||
| They're not scared of people at all. | ||
| Yeah, what he said, if he's afraid of, is what if he, you know, hurts it but doesn't kill it and charges him? | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| I'm like, you got five more shots? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| .357? | ||
| Well, is he going to use a pistol? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I would use a rifle. | ||
| Rifle? | ||
| If he's gonna shoot a gun, get a real, you know, get a 7mm Remington Ultramag, something like that. | ||
| Just blow one through him where he's not getting up. | ||
| 12-gauge slug's not gonna handle it. | ||
| He could. | ||
| Yeah, you could. | ||
| Go with the slug cap. | ||
| I'm a fan of rifles. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| It's just, yeah, it's super accurate, very precise. | ||
| I just don't want him to miss and shoot the neighbor's house and dog. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| And where does he live, Florida? | ||
| Can you use suppressors in Florida? | ||
| Can you use silencers? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a problem in California. | ||
| You can't use silencers, which is really stupid. | ||
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Does that work? | |
| I saw in the Steven Seagal movie, he like taped a 20 ounce bottle to the end of it. | ||
| You see that? | ||
| You think it's like under siege? | ||
| Would that work? | ||
| Everything in Steven Seagal movies are actual and factual. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the only thing he allows. | ||
| He doesn't allow anything in a movie unless it's absolutely correct. | ||
| Really? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm sure it doesn't work. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| A two-liter bottle... | ||
| Of coke or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it sure doesn't silence it, but it might like... | ||
| Probably takes a little bit off of it. | ||
| Take a little bit off of it. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| I was talking to this guy from Sig Sauer yesterday about this. | ||
| Oh, they tried it? | ||
| Let's hear it. | ||
| See? | ||
| You thought I made that up, didn't you? | ||
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See? | |
| Ready? | ||
| This is the Steven Seagal Silence 45. That's gonna shoot this dude right in the face. | ||
| You know he's gonna die here. | ||
| Is he gonna shoot it at the bottom, at the ground, this dummy? | ||
| Okay, here he goes. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't very quiet. | ||
| Didn't work at all. | ||
| How to make a suppressor from a flashlight? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Let's see how it works. | ||
| We'll just pull it ahead. | ||
| Oh, this guy's like going deep. | ||
| He's building shit. | ||
| But it's weird because in California, silencers are illegal. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Because if you can hunt, and you can hunt with a rifle, what a silencer does is it eliminates the sound. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't eliminate it totally, but that big boom, it's... | ||
| Do you want the boom like why doesn't make any sense? | ||
| It's like it's one of those weird things where people aren't they're not thinking Logically and objectively when they create laws like they think that someone's gonna like snipe people and you're not gonna hear it and someone's gonna die and get shot But the reality is if somebody shoots you like it Doesn't matter if there was a bang or not. | ||
| Yeah, it's the rifle still works You have to have a silencer on your muffler. | ||
| You have to have a silencer on lawn equipment, lawn mowers, anything. | ||
| You have to use some sort of a muffler, but not on rifles. | ||
| You can't have it on rifles. | ||
| Yeah, I don't get it. | ||
| I don't get most of it. | ||
| You shouldn't get most of it. | ||
| Most of it doesn't make sense. | ||
| I don't get... | ||
| Not a huge fan of the police force nowadays, Joe. | ||
| It's getting ugly out there, isn't it? | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| It's so just... | ||
| just bad. | ||
| You know, I think part of it is, I think it's just numbers. | ||
| You're also dealing with 350 million people in this country. | ||
| Who knows how many thousands and thousands of police officers? | ||
| Who knows how many incidents they have to deal with? | ||
| Who knows how many people are incompetent? | ||
| And the ones that are incompetent, they get highlighted, videotaped, put out there. | ||
| And I also think that there's a culture that they have developed of doing shit in a fucked up way that people don't like, that they got away with for a long time. | ||
| And then cell phones and cameras and YouTube came along and now everybody's super aware of it. | ||
| And you just can't do it anymore. | ||
| You just can't do what they've been doing their whole career. | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| I mean, there obviously... | ||
| There are racial issues or whatever, but I just think that those get highlighted even more. | ||
| But I see just fucking asshole cops doing asshole things to every color person. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's just that lately it's been highlighted. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| If no one's fucking shooting at you, stop shooting people. | ||
| When did they become such pussies that there was a video of a guy walking out of his house with a screwdriver. | ||
| He was literally walking with his wife, a 50-year-old man. | ||
| He's walking out with a screwdriver in his hand like this. | ||
| He was walking to the mailbox to fix something. | ||
| And the cops shot him nine times. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, and then didn't, uh, didn't, like, try to help him or anything, like, you know. | ||
| What were they responding to? | ||
| What did they think he was doing? | ||
| I think it was domestic violence or something. | ||
| I don't even know what it was, but it was, like, the older woman walks out, and then the husband walks out right behind him, and he was like, oh, drop it, blah, blah, blah, and the guy's like, what? | ||
| And then, and they shot him, like, nine times. | ||
| And then they don't even go up to, like, help the guy, you know? | ||
| It's like, I find almost like these guys are just looking... | ||
| For that opportunity for when it's okay than more so like when it's necessary. | ||
| There's a lot of them that definitely do that. | ||
| There's a lot of them that are just too stupid to be cops. | ||
| But I think most people are unqualified to be cops. | ||
| We've talked about this ad nauseum on this podcast. | ||
| I just think that we have to appreciate the fact that being a cop is a fucking ridiculously hard job. | ||
| You want to talk about PTSD for soldiers, but nobody talks about PTSD for cops. | ||
| Cops are dealing with horrible shit every fucking day of the week, and most of them are doing a great job, and the ones that do a great job you don't hear anything about. | ||
| It's the ones that fuck up and shoot like that guy in South Carolina that shot that guy as he was running away. | ||
| And then planted the gun on him. | ||
| Did he plant a gun on him? | ||
| Planted the taser or something. | ||
| You watch him and he walks up and he sets something else on the floor. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Then the story was, oh, he went for my taser and was like, Didn't he go for a taser, motherfucker? | ||
| Oh my god, they did that? | ||
| But of course that gets spun into the black guy, you know? | ||
| Well, if that was a fucking, it didn't matter who that was, he was going to do that same shit to, you know? | ||
| If a guy goes for your taser and then runs away, you don't get to shoot him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't get to shoot him as he's running away. | ||
| And then I don't get to shoot him while he's running away and then run up and put the taser down next to him. | ||
| I didn't even know that. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| I didn't know that he did that. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I just think there are good cops, you know? | ||
| But it's like, if you're a good cop, how many bad cops have you narked out? | ||
| Because you know how many other ones are in the station. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's just this... | ||
| You know this like Brotherhood of you know, I'm gonna stand up for our own and You know that that's what bugs me about it. | ||
| It's always been that way. | ||
| Yeah, my dad was just really upsetting and disgusting and I have kids and to have see all this shit right now It's just really scary and worry about your sons getting involved in something have some asshole cop do something. | ||
| Yeah, I mean Mike my uh my bit my wife my fiancee Yeah, it sounded really bad. | ||
| She's mixed, and we have two boys, and one of them looks white, and the other one looks mixed and black. | ||
| Yeah, this racial shit and ignorance is upsetting. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| I'm hoping that all this anger, and all these protests, and all these videos that are coming out, and all these YouTube videos, and all these people that are rising up, that it's going to change things. | ||
| I hope. | ||
| It just seems like martial law is coming. | ||
| Somebody said something about allowing the conditions to eventually go to martial law. | ||
| Yeah, people say things like that. | ||
| The way that the news media is highlighting everything, it just makes it so much worse. | ||
| It's just all bad. | ||
| I think they're highlighting it because that's what people want to pay attention to. | ||
| I really don't think there's any concerted effort to create martial law. | ||
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There's a lot of conspiracy theories about that stuff, but I think that's just horseshit. | |
| I think the last thing they want is an armed culture of Americans involved in martial law. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| It's not going to work. | ||
| This is not the country where you can pull that off. | ||
| You can't take everybody's guns away. | ||
| It will fucking never happen. | ||
| There's more guns in this country than there are people. | ||
| It's just not going to happen. | ||
| You're not going to take away the... | ||
| I don't know if there's more guns in people, but I bet it's close. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| I just think that people panic about that kind of stuff and people always love talking about some tyrannical conspiracy when the government comes in. | ||
| Even when you try not to, it's like someone says something and you... | ||
| It's hard not to. | ||
| Did you grow up in a family with guns? | ||
| You had guns in your family all the time? | ||
| Yeah, I grew up hunting. | ||
| We started hunting and shooting at like 10, 12. I think when I went rabbit hunting when I was 12, I was shooting since I was like... | ||
| Your dad was into it? | ||
| Yeah, my dad was into it. | ||
| My brother and I. We didn't talk about this the last time and this was something that was controversial after our podcast because during the man-hoof training camp, your dad died. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How hard was that man to go through? | ||
| My dad and I had like a weird relationship. | ||
| My dad and I had like a falling out probably 10 or 12 years ago. | ||
| I hadn't spoken in 10 years and he came to one of my fights when I've won Glory 10 with Artham Levin and it was one of the biggest things that Vinny helped me work on. | ||
| I found out my dad had cancer and like My reaction when my brother and sister told me was like, fuck him. | ||
| Like, I don't care. | ||
| I really didn't care. | ||
| I hated him that much. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I always just hated him. | ||
| We had really bad issues. | ||
| When I started talking to Vinny, I mentioned that my dad had cancer and I didn't know how I felt about it because part of me cared at some point. | ||
| We did some, like, he called it timeline therapy, and we had a, this is not at all what I was planning on talking about, but we, he asked me all of these scenarios, like, think of a time in your life when you were really proud, and then think of a time when you were really upset, and, like, all these different emotions. | ||
| And he didn't know what it was about or what was going to happen. | ||
| He was just trying it on me. | ||
| And every one of the things that he talked about was my dad. | ||
| Like, every one of those times was a time with my dad. | ||
| And he did, like, the, you know, the whole session or whatever. | ||
| At the end of it, I just had no more resentment or anger toward my dad and it was really weird and It was like this chip on my shoulder like my whole life and at one point for a long time I used to think about my dad before I would fight when I was fighting professionally like I would use not necessarily like I'm fighting my dad but like to shove it up his ass like look what I'm gonna do you know and I realized that like that anger that I had and And that I used to tap into all the time was actually like holding me back. | ||
| It was almost like a handicap. | ||
| And yeah, when he helped me forgive my dad, I was able to go to Florida. | ||
| You know, he's got stage four cancer. | ||
| He's gonna die. | ||
| And I had a relationship with my dad for the last year before he died that I hadn't had in 10 years. | ||
| And that was from that Vinny helped me do that. | ||
| That's got to have a big impact on the way you raise your own sons. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Like knowing the resentment that you had towards your father and the anger and the bad relationship, like never wanting it to get to that place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it was weird. | ||
| Vinny didn't know that that was even going to be the result. | ||
| He was just like, oh, I want to try this timeline therapy thing on you. | ||
| Yeah, I went from completely hating him to just forgiving him completely. | ||
| Not half-ass forgiving him to waiting for that apology. | ||
| There was no apology. | ||
| There was no talking about it. | ||
| It was completely starting over. | ||
| Yeah, we had a really good... | ||
| A relationship for that last year before he died. | ||
| And I knew that he was battling cancer. | ||
| My brother started treating him. | ||
| He was stage four. | ||
| I mean, the doctors were like, you know, your dad's going to die. | ||
| He had cancer in his lungs, cancer in his brain, cancer in his chest, and cancer in his neck. | ||
| He had like this giant mass on his neck. | ||
| And my brother started treating him with CBD oil. | ||
| And allegedly I was shipping it to him from here, into Florida or whatever. | ||
| That probably wasn't very good. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Fiction for fictional purposes. | ||
| Fiction for fictional purposes. | ||
| And we were giving him CBD oil for about, I don't know, I guess seven months, probably. | ||
| He wasn't going to chemo. | ||
| He just didn't want to do it. | ||
| He was a really stubborn guy. | ||
| He wouldn't do that. | ||
| They tested him. | ||
| They did a graph or whatever to see where the cancer had grown or whatever over a period of time. | ||
| They were shocked that 90% of the cancer had died. | ||
| 90% of the cancer was dead and 10% of the cancer that was still alive was completely surrounded in dead cells so that they couldn't get even medicine to it and it couldn't grow. | ||
| He was going to have to live with it. | ||
| But it was completely surrounded by dead cancer cells. | ||
| And the only thing possibly that could have done it was the CBD oil because he was doing nothing else correctly. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| They had him on so many narcotics and pain pills and stuff that he was... | ||
| He's an asshole to be around. | ||
| It was really hard. | ||
| He was constantly on this drug thing. | ||
| And he wouldn't eat. | ||
| All he wanted to eat was chocolate cake and ice cream. | ||
| It was really hard. | ||
| Which is all bad for cancer. | ||
| It feeds it. | ||
| We're trying to get him the right supplements. | ||
| It was a tough situation. | ||
| But the CBD oil was beating the cancer. | ||
| And the cancer wasn't what killed him. | ||
| He actually died from starvation. | ||
| Malnourishment from not doing what we would beg him to do. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| 90% of the cancer was dead. | ||
| CBD oil, people. | ||
| It really works. | ||
| It's working right now for my friend's mom. | ||
| My friend's mom has stage 4 cancer in her brain. | ||
| I allegedly got him some CBD oil. | ||
| And he... | ||
| Got it to his mom. | ||
| Within less than two months, her cancer had shrunk by 30%. | ||
| She had been doing chemo, and they were saying that her immune system was so devastated by the chemo that the chemo was probably going to kill her quicker than the cancer was, and they had recommended her stopping chemo. | ||
| And he was just in full desperation mode. | ||
| My friend's real super straight edge. | ||
| He's just, you know, Mr. Republican American, doesn't, you know, thinks Obama's a Muslim, that kind of guy. | ||
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| And never would want to have anything to do with CBD oil or anything cannabis. | ||
| I got it to him and now his mom can sleep. | ||
| She's eating. | ||
| She sleeps at night. | ||
| She doesn't have pain anymore. | ||
| Her tumor's shrinking. | ||
| The doctors are astounded. | ||
| Those stories, you hear so many of them, it's almost like they seem like anecdotal fairy tales because until it happens to someone you actually know and care about, And then you start getting angry. | ||
| Like, this is what these goddamn assholes that are making laws in this country and fighting against us, the lobbyists and the people that are working for the pharmaceutical companies that are actively trying to suppress this information. | ||
| You are keeping one of the best ways to heal these people. | ||
| You're keeping it illegal. | ||
| And it's a fucking horrible crime. | ||
| And they won't even tell you about it, which is just atrocious. | ||
| They're giving my brother the talk that my dad is going to die and it's terminal and all this stuff. | ||
| For, you know, weeks and weeks and weeks, he's going to the doctor and finally my brother's like, hey, so, you know, what about, you know, medical marijuana? | ||
| Is that something that, and they were like, oh yeah, we can prescribe him Marinol, but we just can't, you know, there's no question that the cannabis or THC, whatever it is, cannabis helps fight cancer, but we can't, we can't refer, you have to ask, we can't just offer it to you. | ||
| And then they gave him the prescription for Marinol, which is like the government pharmaceutical form of the pill, which is probably way weaker than the CBD oil than we were giving him. | ||
| Yeah, not nearly as good. | ||
| So yeah, like, we got the call, I got the call from my dad, or my brother, that my dad had passed away. | ||
| I think it was three weeks before the Melvin Manoff fight. | ||
| And I flew home to Florida with my brother and sister and figure out the situation, what we were going to do. | ||
| And my brother picked me up from the airport and we went straight to the bar to have it out about my dad. | ||
| And when we got back to his house, my uncle had called. | ||
| We just assumed that my uncle was calling to give us his, you know, sorry about your dad. | ||
| And my sister answers the phone and my uncle was hysterical. | ||
| I guess my cousin Cody, who was 23, was very close with this huge fan of mine, had fallen off a balcony on their vacation and died the same night. | ||
| So it was a ton of stuff to deal with that last, you know, two weeks before my fight. | ||
| Again, I talked to Vinny, and he helped me stay focused on what I needed to do to handle business in that fight. | ||
| Vinny Shorman, can't thank him enough for that stuff. | ||
| That's gotta be unbelievably difficult to deal, both of those things, unbelievably difficult to deal with while you're trying to focus on, especially fighting a guy like Manhoff, which is a scary fuck. | ||
| Every post anybody tags me in is like Moe and Manhoff's highlight reel. | ||
| It's like, fuck! | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| And it just drains you. | ||
| I come back and I've got two weeks left before the fight and I'm trying to stay focused. | ||
| I can run at a good clip. | ||
| I run six miles. | ||
| You know regularly and like I'd be like half a mile in and just be exhausted because all of this mental stuff just wears on you and You know I had this internal battle of myself, you know should I pull out of the fight should not pull out of the fight and I Talked to Vinny and I was like, you know, I just I don't know what to do and He was like he's just a dick actually. | ||
| He was like He was like your dad and your cousin died and I was like yes, and he's like and that that's sad and I'm like yes, and he's like and and You're never gonna see them again. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm never gonna see him again. | ||
| He's like, and that's not fair. | ||
| And I was like, hey, yeah, motherfucker, it's not fair. | ||
| And he's like, you know, he says all this shit, and then he's like, now what? | ||
| And I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| And he's like, what are you gonna do now? | ||
| And I was like, he's like, are you gonna not ever fight again? | ||
| Are you gonna not take care of your family? | ||
| Are you gonna, you know, let this stop you from everything you've ever wanted to do? | ||
| And I was like, no. | ||
| And he's like, well, then turn off that app and wait until after your fight. | ||
| Handle your business. | ||
| Whether you're religious or not, at some level, somewhere, you think your cousin and your father, what would they want? | ||
| And I was like, well, I talked to both of them about the fight. | ||
| They were both excited about the fight. | ||
| I knew what they were going to want. | ||
| So I just kind of turned off that emotion until after the fight. | ||
| And when I knocked out Melvin, there's like this moment right after the referee stops it. | ||
| I fucking explode and Bellator posts the picture all the time. | ||
| But at that moment, all of that emotion that I had turned off came back right at that moment. | ||
| After the fight, I was thinking about them and stuff. | ||
| It was really cool. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's an iconic photo, too. | ||
| The photo of you right after you knocked him out. | ||
| That's a pretty intense photo. | ||
| That was a crazy fight, too, man. | ||
| It was a big one. | ||
| It was a big one for me. | ||
| Melvin is a wild motherfucker, dude. | ||
| Win, lose, draw. | ||
| You're in for some chaos with that guy. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| All those guys from that Mike's gym, Badr Hari, him, Kokan, so many of those guys are just fucking ferocious. | ||
| Yeah, that's that style out of that gym. | ||
| I mean, that's why we're all... | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| Yeah, that was that moment right there. | ||
| Well, we're running out of time, man, so let's end it with that. | ||
| That's a fucking perfect picture to wrap this podcast up with. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| With Melvin down behind you. | ||
| You got that on your gym? | ||
| Is that up on the wall? | ||
| I gotta put it up on the wall. | ||
| That should fucking for sure be up at the yard. | ||
| The yard in downtown LA. Best place to train some Muay Thai in California if you're around. | ||
| And if you're in San Diego, Glory 21 is this Friday night, tomorrow. | ||
| And next time you will be fighting is June... | ||
| June 26th for Bellator. | ||
| And where's that at? | ||
| I believe it's in Kansas City. | ||
| Kansas City. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| You can catch him. | ||
| Change your Twitter name. | ||
| Joe Schilling 187. I like it. | ||
| Better than three, right? | ||
| Was it two or three? | ||
| Joe Schilling 187 on Twitter. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you coming by, man. | ||
| Always a pleasure. | ||
| Always a pleasure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week. | ||
| We've got a full schedule of podcasts. | ||
| Thanks, everybody. | ||
| Much love. |
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